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#rockbox log for 2006-07-15

00:00:03[HO]vo|tone moment i am uploading an image to post
00:01:36S0apare you using an official build, or a custom one from the forums?
00:01:46[HO]vo|tit's hardware related
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00:02:16[HO]vo|tFM Recorder V2, I am in the middle of swapping my line out jack to my headphone jack
00:02:45sharpewe should have forms out, to describe problems and requests for assistance. hah... "Did you fill out the form 10-T?"
00:02:51[HO]vo|tPlease pardon the shoddy soldering work and I'm not afraid to ruin the unit as it has served me for quite some time, but here is my progress
00:02:58[HO]vo|tHere is an image :
00:03:36[HO]vo|tThe white, yellow, green, and yellow wires have since detached from their soldering points and I intend on soldering them back, however I have two questions
00:04:19sharpeodd, that looks similar to my desk.
00:04:38[HO]vo|tOr i guess three. what use does this piece serve (the part that is now detached from the main board)?
00:05:03[HO]vo|tDoes it matter that the leftmost raised square (from the mini-pcb) is chipped?
00:05:42S0apquestions 1 and 2 depend on what the raised squares are.
00:07:10[HO]vo|tand i am uncertain of how the yellow wire solders to the mini-pcb
00:07:28sharpewell, i can safely say i may not be any of help, i'm not familiar with that particular hardware.
00:08:21S0apditto, not knowing what those are, I can't help.
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00:08:24[HO]vo|theh alright
00:08:48 Quit ender` (" MCSE = Moron Claiming System Expertise")
00:09:02[HO]vo|tfor some reason i am led to believe that they are some type of amplifier, as this piece is only on the headphone jack, and not the line out jack
00:09:13S0apin the photo I don't see the yellow being soldered on, does it pass through the PCB there?
00:10:29[HO]vo|tthe yellow is soldered to the mainboard and the minipcb, it passes through the pcb and has solder on the other side
00:11:01S0apand, is that the....(trying to think of the proper word)..the part that uses the headphone cord as your FM antenna?
00:11:26[HO]vo|tit may be, however i do not have radio on my unit
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00:11:57[HO]vo|ti'm thinking more along the lines of amplification for the headphone out
00:12:16[HO]vo|tbut, probably not
00:13:01[HO]vo|t this is a photo of the mini pcb in its original position
00:13:36[HO]vo|tthe raised squares are made of plastic, therefore i believe i'm fine as far as the chip goes
00:17:25adiamassorry.. back
00:17:28adiamasapo`: you still around?
00:17:52adiamasyou could try the following in cygwin
00:17:54adiamasfor i in `find . -name *.mp3`; do mv $i `echo $i | awk '{split($1,a,".mp3");print(a[1])}'`; done
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00:18:47apo`But... uh... wouldn't *.mp3 rename _all_ mp3s on the device?
00:19:14earHertzadiamas: you're getting a lot of line noise on your modem
00:19:20adiamaswell.. under whereeerver you want to rename them
00:19:37adiamasim assuming that all the audio's you want to rename are under the same branch
00:19:46adiamasw/o any you _dont_ want to rename
00:19:48apo`They're not, that's my problem
00:19:52Kohlrabiuse the foobar masstagger to rename files
00:20:06Kohlrabithat is, if they're tagged properly
00:20:14apo`They're files
00:20:17apo`No tags ;)
00:20:36Kohlrabiit SHOULD work with filenames too
00:20:45adiamasumm.. then i have a mass tagger/renamer id recommend if you want that.. cleans up according to regex
00:21:34adiamasthats what ive used on windows and been happy with
00:23:05[HO]vo|tTagScanner is good as well. Does the same thing(Windows)
00:23:11apo`I think I'll just add all files to a playlist and then run a script over them in foobar that renames them to
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00:25:39PaulJam_apo`: you could first rename all .mp3 to something else (e.g. *.apo) and them create the _dirname.mp3 files, rename them to .talk and then remane the music files back to .mp3
00:26:03apo`Nah, too complicated
00:27:50Kohlrabitry that
00:27:58KohlrabiWith copy/rename/move files
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00:28:39Kohlrabialternatively try $directory(%path%,#ofdirs) if you need a deeper structure
00:29:22Kohlrabido you need the underscore _?
00:29:39Kohlrabi_$directory(%path%) then ;)
00:29:45apo`Anyway, I'll be off, speaking directory names ~_~
00:30:11apo`And... the filename's supposed to be "", not _$ :P
00:30:28Kohlrabiyou didnt even try?
00:30:31apo`It really is _dirname, not _Apocalyptica
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00:30:55Kohlrabiso you want to rename EVERY file to _dirname?
00:31:36apo`Every file that contains the directory, that is
00:31:42apo`(The name of the directory)
00:32:27Kohlrabithe file in say /albums/The Mars Volta/Frances The Mute/ should be called _Frances The
00:32:50Kohlrabiso NOT the name
00:33:11Kohlrabiyeah, OK ;)
00:33:11apo` Speaking / spelling directories and file numbers < That part
00:33:32apo`I dislike the way MS Sam pronounces stuff and am doing it myself :)
00:34:30Kohlrabithe sh-script seems best to me, then
00:34:36Kohlrabilike stated before
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00:34:54apo`But... uh... what does it do? ^^;
00:35:18apo`And as I said, the files are in hundreds of different directories
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00:35:42KohlrabiDo you have any means of discriminating talk files from actual music?
00:36:12apo`The talk files are just called .mp3
00:36:17apo`Music has proper names
00:36:18Kohlrabiah mkay
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00:41:01apo`和田薫 < Heh, how do I pronounce _this_? xD
00:41:39sharpewell, because it's unicode, to me, box-space-box-space-box-space. :)
00:42:50XavierGrapo: the last character is the kanji for car in japanese?
00:43:02apo`Nah, smell
00:43:32XavierGrI don't know kanji, that last symbol though reminded me that. (the only one I remember)
00:43:46webguest96shouf i do max on battery in system?
00:44:04apo`Harmony Rice Field Smell :P
00:44:05midkayleave it where it is if you have no idea what it's for or what to set it to.
00:44:20XavierGrapo: which kanji is for 'car'?
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00:44:46 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:45:02apo`The first one
00:45:31sharpeamiconn: troubles?
00:45:49amiconnLoads of gibberish chars here...
00:46:05BHSPitMonkeyI got some nice asian chars
00:46:10[HO]vo|talright i'm back.
00:46:27apo`poor amiconn, he doesn't have UTF-8 :P
00:46:45[HO]vo|ti've been out of the mp3 player market recently, can someone give me a nice notebook harddrive based player that can take my 60gb?
00:46:49amiconnNo, Win1252 here
00:46:57[HO]vo|tgive me = give me ideas *
00:47:35BHSPitMonkeynotebook or a DAP?
00:47:37[HO]vo|tyeah, i started soldering on that mini pcb which was using like 26 or 28 or 400awg wires
00:47:46[HO]vo|ti have a notebook drive
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00:48:33[HO]vo|ti had a fm recorder v2 with a 60gb drive upgrade, but the headphone jack went out and i failed at repairing it
00:48:53JasonJThaven't been here for ages
00:48:59[HO]vo|tThat's what I meant to say.
00:49:04JasonJThi vo\t and sharpe
00:49:27*BHSPitMonkey lifts up [HO]vo|t's leaning name
00:49:42JasonJTI just wondered if the iPod 5G could record, either through the headphone or dock connectors
00:49:51BHSPitMonkeyit -could-
00:50:06JasonJTwell i know the dock connector can do all sorts of things
00:50:09BHSPitMonkeytheoretically, it has the hardware to do it I believe.
00:50:24JasonJTi've purchased an in-car charger which is also an FM radio transmitter
00:50:38[HO]vo|tSo, should I get another Recorder V2 or explore other notebook hard drive based players? If the latter, which units?
00:50:46BHSPitMonkeya nano has a dock, but it can't record.
00:50:50JasonJTi wish my H120 didn't break
00:50:52[HO]vo|ti would love sticking with a rockbox based unit
00:50:58BHSPitMonkeyhas to have the right chips and dip inside
00:51:00JasonJTit had awesome recording functions
00:51:06[HO]vo|tchips and dip lol
00:51:37JasonJTHas anyone heard of EVP (electronic voice phenomena?)
00:52:13JasonJT(hearing voices in static recordings)
00:52:34sharpeJasonJT: heard of them, haven't actually recorded any myself.
00:52:44[HO]vo|tIf I were to want to find a used Recorder V2, would someone closely related to Rockbox be able to hook me up?
00:52:48JasonJTsee the film White Noise for details
00:53:06sharpeJasonJT: i've seen it. didn't like the ending much.
00:53:24JasonJTwhy didn't u like the ending?
00:53:28sharpeor well, didn't like the middle much, ending was alright.
00:53:31JasonJTi've seen it as well?
00:54:46sharpeeh, just got less interesting in the middle as he became obsessed with the whole thing. kinda.
00:55:06JasonJToh right
00:55:21JasonJTI must admit i got confused over those 3 figures that were being seen in the TV static
00:55:49sharpei saw the movie a few days after it came out in theatres, can't remember much of it.
00:56:15JasonJTit was about that man contacting his dead wife through TV and audio static
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00:57:08midkaywhoa, it's track, isn't it.
00:57:34JasonJTanyway this iPod 5g is pretty good
00:57:40JasonJTgot the white one 60gig
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00:58:46CreativePonyI just wanted to find out if its normal for a sort of snowey staticy horizontal bar to slide down the screen of H140's when rockbox is doing its 33 shades of grey emulation dealie?
00:58:54midkaysharpe, if you were to do that laugh in real life it would sound something like "heh heh", right?
00:58:55JasonJTwhatever happened to mikeholden
00:59:05sharpemidkay: yes.
00:59:36midkayCreativePony, yes, it is..
00:59:47CreativePonynothing I can do about it?
01:00:06midkaynot really, since the 33 shades are trickery.
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01:01:52CreativePonyI'm impressed that someone managed to do it, smart stuff!
01:02:13midkayindeed, that'd be pretty much amiconn.
01:02:27CreativePonyI installed rockbox the night before last and its fantastic, sans a few plugins freezing my player
01:02:36midkayCreativePony, ooh, which ones?
01:02:43[HO]vo|tTo everyone: What MP3 playing device do you use, and what are the pros/cons of it?
01:02:50CreativePonymm, can't remember
01:03:02CreativePonyif it happens again i'll be sure to write it down though
01:03:21midkayCreativePony, good, you should file some bug reports (or one with a list of such plugins).
01:03:23sharpethen you'd give midkay something to do.
01:03:30*CreativePony nods
01:03:37midkaynah, haven't touched rockbox code for probably a month.
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01:04:07sharpemidkay: what about that... you know, the spinv code... hahah...
01:04:46sharpeso far, over a day and i'm still working on malloc().
01:05:32[HO]vo|twould anyone happen to have or know how to find a rockbox sanctioned player without a hard drive?
01:05:38CreativePonyMy only real gripe is that its harder to switch between fm, reccording, and playback, having to dig through menu's
01:05:43*scorche attempts to think of a dog with a name similar to malloc for the purposes of teh funny
01:06:48midkayCreativePony, well, fm and recording are always in the main menu..
01:06:56midkayand playback is just kind of default, if you're not in those modes.
01:06:56sharpeyeah, because we can still make fun of the similarities between my name and "Shar Pei."
01:07:08CreativePonyya, i kinda liked just holding a button for that
01:07:11scorchecan too
01:07:15midkaymight take a bit of getting used to, but it shouldn't be hard to get around once you're used to things.
01:07:22sharpescorche: never said you couldn't.
01:07:23midkaya button for that may come at some point.. *shrugs*
01:07:35CreativePonythat, and i'm a chess addict, but music can't be controled without exiting chessbox yet
01:07:50midkaythe playback menu could be put in..
01:07:59midkaythat'd be a nice feature request.
01:08:02sharpehmm... odd... calling malloc with arguments of 16, 32, and 64 return the same addresses, and size...
01:08:13midkaywe care, sharpe, we care/
01:08:21CreativePonyi looked up the plugin's page in the wiki, it looks like menu's and things are planned already
01:08:22sharpemidkay: i know. that's why i announced that.
01:08:35midkayCreativePony, yeah, probably eventually.
01:08:39midkaysharpe, well, good then.
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01:11:21[HO]vo|tcan you upgrade iriver hard drives
01:14:08[HO]vo|ts0ap: i cannot PM
01:14:27S0apthen register
01:15:42scorchewith nickserv
01:17:43sharpei find it amazing how values in a struct aren't set, after setting them.
01:18:15scorchei find it amusing how wrinkly our resident dog is
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01:18:56sharpehar, har.
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01:19:27CreativePonywhy do all the themes I try except the default, in h140 rockbox always have text all out of alignment? should I try and upgrade rockbox often till it gets fixed, or is it the themes that need fixing?
01:20:10sharpechances are, the themes requires a patch.
01:20:20*CreativePony grunts
01:20:21sharpewhich you most likely don't have...
01:20:23CreativePonyall of them?
01:20:37Genre9mp3CreativePony: Do you use the right font?
01:20:49CreativePonyhow would I know?
01:21:10Genre9mp3choose the wps from "Browse Themes"
01:21:32CreativePonythats what I did..
01:22:19PaulJam_CreativePony: have you installed the fonts? (they are not included in the daily bilds)
01:22:36CreativePonyno.. where do I get them?
01:22:44sharpeahah! a clue.
01:22:58PaulJam_on the daily builds page
01:23:11sharpeunder the aptly named, "Fonts"
01:23:53CreativePonywell that's annoying o^
01:24:11*CreativePony hooks up its umbilical cord again and see's if everything turns perfect suddenly..
01:24:27midkaysharpe, "the themes requires a patch"?
01:24:44sharpemeh. wpses.
01:25:02midkay"the wpses requires a patch"?
01:25:24scorcheor else it gets the hose again?
01:25:48sharpethere's nothing about lotion there scorche.
01:26:15sharpepatch and again don't rhyme.
01:26:41CreativePonyaha! all better!
01:26:45midkaysharpe, you don't see the massive grammar flaw you made?
01:26:46*CreativePony whinny's happily
01:26:55sharpemidkay: yes, i see it.
01:27:03midkaythat's TWO points for me.
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01:27:28sharpeoh, i finally got around to installing ventrilo. :)
01:27:53*CreativePony dances
01:28:32sharpehrrmph. who knew there was a ?
01:29:10scorcheuh oh..
01:29:22sharpewho's logo's colors are a play on google's logo...
01:29:29CreativePonyhow does one, in rockbox, clear the current playlist, playing a specific folder's contents after the current track finishes? (instead of stoping the current track)
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01:35:27sharpesomething in my code doesn't like me...
01:35:37apo`*sighs* Now if only I could let rockbox play .talk files when going through artists in tagcache
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01:37:08sharpewell, i'm baffled.
01:38:33*CreativePony curses those evil code gremlins.. its microsofts doing! sabotaging open source via freaky bug inducing mind waves broadcast via their sattellite system, to which their own buildings are not shielded from.. the fatal flaw..
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01:48:52S0apgodweb has flashing text and background images!
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01:53:58CreativePony<blink>I ARR ANNOYING</blink>
01:54:22sharpeyou missed an 'e' there... :D
01:56:56*CreativePony whinny's playfully
02:00:13sharpewhy are the struct's members not being set, after setting them... anyone?
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02:05:59earHertzHye sharpe, where's teh US capital loacted?
02:06:16sharpeearHertz: within the country...?
02:06:19CreativePonyIn america
02:06:41sharpeDistrict of Columbia...
02:06:53earHertzsharpe: DC,C?
02:07:21sharpeWashington D.C. ... wait, why do you need to know?
02:07:28*earHertz has left (Client quite.)
02:07:29*CreativePony hoof kicks earHertz 'Neigh!'
02:07:41*earHertz laughs evilly
02:16:45*CreativePony droops her ears out to the sides seeing rain outside.. one more day she cant go sit down by the river playing chessbox
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02:19:39sharpebah... i had this working slightly, before.. even though then i was using the physical address, and now i'm using the virtual. but even if i try the physical address, it still doesn't work.
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02:29:06earHertzCreativePony: you a furry?
02:29:19CreativePonynup, guess again
02:29:41earHertzum, an AOLer?
02:30:17earHertzsharpe: is CreativePony realy midkay?
02:30:32CreativePonyCreativePony is a girl in australia
02:31:07earHertzoh, ok, an Ozzie
02:31:14sharpeearHertz: as funny as it would be, doesn't seem so.
02:31:22CreativePonyI am someone with a spiritual belief that my soul is that of a mare, and that ones brains are an interface to ones soul, and that brains contain little of the actual person
02:31:44QuarrymanCreativePony: and where does the soul exist?
02:31:56CreativePonyWhy would I know
02:32:01earHertzQuarryman: Schenectedy, NY
02:32:58earHertzI bet the soles of CreativePony
02:33:05earHertzs feet are really hard
02:33:22*CreativePony is a horse not a horse expert, she dunno where all the bits are o^
02:34:01earHertzthe bit goes in teh mouth. the other bits are at the glue factory
02:34:14CreativePonyglue isn't made of horses o^
02:34:55CreativePonyand the hoof goes in the belly if you try and put tack on me without asking nicely
02:34:59earHertzIt's not? I've been ripped off!
02:35:11CreativePonynah, these days its made of glue
02:35:15earHertzI'll try to be tack-tful
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02:35:32 Quit hardeep ("BitchX for president.")
02:35:38sharpewow. what does it mean if i glance at a bottle of 'Jet Dry' and think it's mouthwash, until i actually looked at it...
02:35:54scorcheit means you should drink it
02:35:57earHertzwtf's jet dry?
02:36:06CreativePonynono, don't drink it!
02:36:13CreativePonyits jet dry you fool!
02:36:13Mikachuwill i regret google imagesing it as much as i did 'jenna fox,?
02:36:25sharpeearHertz: dishwashing machine liquid type stuff.
02:36:32earHertzbut not as much as tubgirl
02:36:43scorchelemon party?
02:36:44*CreativePony ponders taking her real name off irc
02:37:03Mikachuthat is your real name? heh
02:37:14earHertzThe dingo ate her real name
02:37:23CreativePonyif you want to see the pony, you should ask nicely, and i could give you my flickr address..
02:37:30S0apJet Dry is a dishwashing machine additive you add to the rinse cycle to prevent spotting.
02:37:33Mikachui'll live
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02:37:46S0apoh, sharpe already answered, my bad.
02:38:09earHertzhuh. does it work on carry-out food?
02:38:14sharpeS0ap: it's okay, you're more qualified to answer it. since, you're 'soap.' you know.
02:38:22scorchedoes anyone else find it amusing that someone named soap answered that question?
02:38:27scorchebah you
02:38:32sharpei'm on a roll today.
02:38:44S0apI'll be Soap in a couple of weeks when they kill my old account (lost password)
02:39:00earHertzbe soup
02:39:18sharpethen i can bring up the same topic, and then it will be even funnier... :\
02:39:27S0apmmm, horse soup
02:39:37earHertzS0ap: you're french?
02:41:07earHertzwhat do you call afrench guy riding a horse?
02:41:57sharpei don't know. an equestrian?
02:42:18midkaya french fry?!
02:42:21earHertza vegetarian
02:43:23midkaythat makes no sense at all.
02:43:24CreativePonyyou are horrible, S0ap
02:43:29earHertzwhat do you call a black guy who's flying a plane?
02:43:36sharpea pilot.
02:43:40Mikachua pilot
02:44:02idnarI think that joke has already made the rounds :P
02:44:15earHertzHow many femonists does it take to chnage a light bulb?
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02:50:04midkayone to change it and fifty nine to .. like.. stand there.
02:53:49earHertz(in a shrill, idignant, high-pitched femalwe voice) THAT'S NOT FUNNY
02:55:25midkayand i thought earHertz was a respectable, responsible, morally-correct coder with good intentions.
02:55:47earHertzso much for that
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03:07:52LandusDunno if anything special will happen, but I'm making a misticriver account now. Anyone want to be my 'referrer'?
03:08:06LandusOffer ending in ten seconds.
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03:09:15midkaythat was 13 seconds!
03:10:30XavierGrI was late
03:11:20XavierGrI saw the message when I was doing something else and thought that you were talking about football.
03:11:41XavierGr(I saw referrer as referee)
03:12:48midkay"who wants to be my referee"?
03:12:51midkaythat makes a lot of sense.
03:13:07Genre9mp3XavierGr: You already have 2
03:13:25XavierGrwell why not reach 3? :P
03:13:36XavierGrAnd in fact I don't even remember were I got those 2
03:13:49XavierGrmidkay: :D
03:13:53midkayXavierGr, haha.
03:14:16pixelma3 referees? :P
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03:16:03shriphaniguys i still cant sync vorbis to my ipod
03:17:20Galoisdo you run rockbox?
03:17:52Galoisjust drag your files into the ipod folder, no need to sync
03:18:24shriphaniand will i see them in my id3 database ?
03:18:49GaloisI think you need to re-run the tagcache thingy
03:18:55GaloisI don't actually know, since I don't use tagcache
03:19:21shriphaniso you have dozens of folders in your ipod ?
03:19:58shriphanicuz F00 and F01 are a pain to navigate in
03:19:58Galoisit's not too bad if you nest them
03:20:08Galoisand name them with useful names, obviously
03:20:10Galoisnot F00
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03:20:47shriphaniad you plainly edit the songs ?
03:20:53shriphanii mean the names
03:21:54Galoisyes, I name the songs with useful names too, it's not too hard with a bash script
03:22:24shriphanii mean the names?
03:22:38shriphaniwhich script is hat ?
03:22:45shriphanithat ^
03:22:52Galoisuh, one that I write from scratch every time I need it
03:23:48shriphaniso would it be fine if i plaily rename them or should i edit the id3 tags also
03:24:03Galoisyou might be better off asking someone who uses the id3 database
03:25:01shriphanino i would leave tag cache to play vorbis on it :)
03:25:17GaloisI'm pretty sure tagcache works with vorbis comments
03:25:35shriphanibut is there a program to sync such things to the ipod ?
03:25:50Galoistagcache runs entirely on the ipod, there's no program needed on the computer
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03:26:23shriphanino i am talking of syncing vorbis to the ipod
03:26:52Galoisthere's no syncing involved, you just copy your files over using windows explorer, or mount/cp, or whatever you normally use to copy files in your computer
03:27:23shriphaniso i cant sync
03:27:36Galoisyou can't sync, and you don't need to sync
03:28:00shriphaniso i shasll nest them this evening thanks
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03:39:45excitatoryGalois: amarok manages media on rockbox devices very nicely. :D
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03:40:07GaloisI use amarok, but I haven't gotten around to telling it about rockbox yet
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03:57:53excitatoryGalois: well, i just use it's generic vfat media device mode.. send stuff to the transfer queue from the collection, then it organizes the music by artsist and album.. if you have properly tagged music, no need to mess around with tagcache (which i would love more if it didn't drain my battery so much)
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04:34:46LandusI think I remember seeing an option that displays what folder I'm in?
04:34:51LandusAnyone know where it is?
04:37:11midkayno such option..
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04:41:22HyperpenguinHi there! May I ask a question?
04:41:36HyperpenguinAll right.
04:41:57HyperpenguinOn my iPod mini (1st gen), the tag cache is working strangely.
04:42:50HyperpenguinI had it set to use directory cache and to keep the cache on disk, but it doesn't appear to be accessing it
04:43:50HyperpenguinIt always says "Next song: ?"
04:44:41sharpehmm... i don't use tagcache...
04:45:35HyperpenguinHmm, appears to be working now. Odd. Didn't work on first reboot.
04:46:33HyperpenguinMaybe I didn't leave it for long enough to read the cache.
04:47:03HyperpenguinWell, nevermind then. See ya!
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04:47:36sharpewell. glad i can help people.
04:48:18scorche`it is what dogs do!
04:48:47sharpethis will be the fourth time i try to implement malloc()/free()...
04:49:26earHertzsharpe: what strategy are you using?
04:49:28LandusIsn't the third time supposed to be the charm?
04:49:47sharpeLandus: apparently not.
04:49:51sharpeearHertz: hmm?
04:50:02earHertzfirst fit, best fit, what?
04:50:11sharpefirst fit
04:54:20sharpewords of wisdom, earHertz?
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04:59:09midkaywords of stupidity, sharpe?
05:00:12sharpethose are fighting words, midkay.
05:00:25midkayno, really?!
05:00:58midkayalright, who wants to see a deliciously rendered chess piece.
05:01:22sharpefrom the look of your forum tags. nah, i'm good.
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05:01:54scorche`you should see his deviant art site
05:02:00midkaywhat do you mean, tags?!
05:02:06midkayhere it is! !!!
05:02:55midkayit's not "deviant art". it's "deviantart", "deviantART" or "dA".
05:03:16sharpei was typing rook, and it came out as 'work'
05:03:30midkayit's not a rook you tart. it's a queen, i think.
05:03:38sharpeyeah. good one.
05:04:02scorche`midkay: it sucks
05:04:07sharpei didn't say if i was referring to the chess piece being a rook, now did i?
05:04:17midkayscorche`: *you* suck. on something of mine.
05:04:32midkaywhat could you possibly be typing involving the word "rook"?
05:04:34scorche`and that is too a rook
05:04:37midkaysomething like.. "that's not a rook!"?
05:04:44midkayit is a rook isn't it.
05:04:51midkaywhat was i thinking.
05:05:03sharpetrying to prove me wrong but failing horribly.
05:05:12midkayalright, 2 points for you
05:05:25midkaythat's like.. 3:5000 right? i'm leading.
05:06:14sharpewow. chess strategies on wikipedia.
05:08:17sharpehmm... what data type should i use to define allocated block sizes...
05:13:13sharpeshould i use one struct for used and free, or a seperate one for each, with different data?
05:14:07midkayshould sharpe stop talking about this stuff that nobody cares about, or just stop talking altogether?
05:14:23sharpeyou tell me.
05:14:44midkaythe latter!
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05:36:14earHertzsharpe: for free, typically you have a linked list; for used a length. Typically you do this as a union
05:37:34earHertzthe C standard guarentttes that an aggregate type can be cast to teh type of its first member
05:38:59earHertzbasicallt, free nodes form a linked list, each pointing to the next free node (or null, for the last item in teh list)
05:39:21sharpethat actually was what i was planning on
05:39:22earHertzthe other member is a length
05:40:07earHertzfor used, you just have a length; the caller gets the address of the first word after that length (you want to return word-aligned memory, of cousre)
05:40:39earHertzwhen teh casller cllas free on the memepry, you know twh length data is at passed addrss - 4
05:41:23earHertzyou then find the end of your list (eitehr end, it's up to you) and add the freed memort to the free list
05:41:39earHertzat this point you also coalesce any adjacent free blocks
05:42:27earHertzOf course, i assume you're doing this yourself as a learning exercise; otherwise, there are mamy exiting implementations that are better than what we'd likely come up with
05:42:47sharpeand thanks for the information
05:44:11earHertzI beleuve thers a malloc implementation in teh rockbox source. no?
05:47:10sharpefrom what i understand by what you say, the linked list will not be in order, they may be pointing either to a block before or after them, right?
05:47:24earHertzwell, it's up to you
05:47:33earHertzif they are in order, it's easier to coalesce
05:47:57earHertzif they are not in ordr, you don't have to bother keeping them in order
05:48:09sharpeheh, a tradeoff...
05:48:14earHertzBut I'd keep them in order, by basically doing an insertion sort
05:48:26earHertzand I'd coalesce at the same time
05:49:30earHertzthe othe rpossiblity is to order th eblocks by size; this makes doing best fit easier
05:50:58earHertzI only recall looking at free lsit code once, but i RECALL IT WAS DAMNED COUNTER-INTUITIVE
05:51:44earHertzYou ever looked at any of Knuth's code?
05:52:02sharpecan't say i have... nor know who that is.
05:52:21earHertzThe author of the six volume art of compeer programming
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05:52:57earHertzanyway, the "normal" linked list uses a pointer to next, right?
05:53:27earHertzKnuth loves to use arrays, where each array element contains the offset of teh next element
05:53:47earHertzI think teh free list implementation I looked at used that
05:54:00earHertzI never fails to hurt my brain
05:54:11earHertzbut it's damned efficient
05:54:42earHertziI used it when I wrote a state machine for rockbox (for something I decided not to do, ultimately)
05:54:52earHertzbecause it makes for very effiecient lists
05:54:58earHertzbut it hurts my head
06:01:29earHertzhey! the fourth google result for "malloc free implementation" is an email from me to the rockbox list
06:02:03earHertzthat's so bizarre
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06:17:18sharpeearHertz: for the used and the free blocks, each typically is a union?
06:17:33earHertzno, you use one union to represent both
06:18:52sharpeso in the union, for the free blocks, they'd use a pointer to the next free block, and for the used block, it'd use the length?
06:19:07earHertzstruct block { size_t block_size union { block* next_block ; char data[] } }
06:19:22earHertzyou need length in both
06:19:40sharpei thought you meant that...
06:20:46sharpehmm. things to do, things to do...
06:32:19sharpehey earHertz, how am i going to differentiate between the used and free blocks?
06:32:50earHertzused blocks aren't in your list anymore
06:33:11sharpeoh, if there isn't an item pointing to it...
06:33:25earHertzyeah, it's off the list, there's no way for you to reach it
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07:08:04Harrythe wikis back
07:08:24Harrythe twikis back
07:08:31Harryit works now
07:08:40Harrychange topic
07:08:46sharpeit's been online for a while
07:09:24Harrywhy r the at&t voice files gone
07:09:56sharpethey were requested to be taken down by at&t.
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07:11:32earHertzsharpe: huh?
07:11:46sharpeearHertz: ?
07:11:58earHertzat&t, I missed that
07:12:33sharpemissed what?
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07:12:51earHertzwhat were the at&t files, and why did at&t asked they be taken down?
07:13:03LloreanThey were voice files
07:13:04sharpethe voice files.
07:13:15LloreanAT&T's license is unclear as to whether you can redistribute recordings of their voices.
07:13:34LloreanIt *seems* to say that recordings of it can be redistributed when not for profit. But, it also seems to say you can't.
07:13:37earHertzat&t found out we had them and asked theny be taken down?
07:14:03LloreanI'm not sure they really understood what use we were making of them, possibly.
07:17:10earHertzI oh wow, this is cool:
07:17:16earHertzjust don't let it phone home
07:17:19earHertzit'll try
07:17:40LloreanIt kinda looks like TIM without objectives?
07:17:46sharpeit's cute.
07:18:13LloreanThe Incredible Machine
07:18:55sharpeoh, i remember that...
07:19:09sharpei think i may still have the cd around.
07:22:43earHertzit's got a catapult
07:25:43sharpeearHertz: implement a perpetual motion device in it
07:25:54earHertzthat's illega;
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07:41:51Harryi might make a wps
07:42:04Harryit seems easy
07:42:15Harryi read the faq
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07:46:12CreativePonyThere's a bug in rockbox for h120/h140.. on the yes/no screens (like when trying to delete a file) it says "PLAY = Yes", when pressing play infact fires No, and SELECT fires Yes..
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07:57:13earHertzCreativePony: add a bug to the bug tracker
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07:58:48*CreativePony is trying to decode cryptic C source code to fix it herself, with little success
07:58:54CreativePonyokay, I guess that will work too
07:59:42earHertzthe C source will be in menu.c (probbaly), and depend on the value of a button. It may just be that teh button mapping srae wrong
08:00:42CreativePonyAhh, I was looking in yesno.c
08:00:56earHertzumm, yesno is probbay right, my bad
08:02:41midgey34its actually in english.lang I think
08:02:53earHertzmidgey34: wtf?
08:03:10midgey34so it can be translated to other languages
08:03:34midgey34search for "PLAY = Yes"
08:04:02midgey34I believe its a known issue but it may have been forgotten
08:04:11earHertzI don't think CreativePony wants to chnage the label, she wants to chnage teh action
08:04:36sharpecould just.. switch the statements in the string :)
08:04:45midgey34maybe I read it wrong
08:05:00CreativePonyno no
08:05:06CreativePonyI quite like the way it is
08:05:12CreativePonyjust as personal preference
08:07:14CreativePonyoh wait..
08:07:37CreativePonyit doesn't seem to be able to switch the string depending on what kind of device you have.. I suppose some wouldn't have a select
08:07:47CreativePonyi guess changing the string would be no good then
08:09:47CreativePonyI probably have to install gcc and things to be able to test this stuff too :/
08:10:03earHertzCreativePony: you under windows/
08:10:11CreativePonyno, ubuntu breezy
08:10:28CreativePonyits package based, people aren't expected to compile things
08:10:58earHertzJust checkout the sdource. In the source, in tools, in
08:11:00earHertzrun that
08:11:50earHertztat'll set up all teh compiler you need to developr
08:12:05CreativePonyneed root?
08:12:41CreativePonyI just noticed gcc3.3 and 4.0 are installed already
08:12:49CreativePonymaybe ubuntu does come with dev stuff
08:12:52earHertzyeah, but you need the cross compier
08:13:39*CreativePony runs the script
08:13:57*CreativePony plays much vorbis in the mean time
08:14:21CreativePonythis is kinda fun.. C has always scared me, so i've stuck to scripted stuff like ruby
08:14:44earHertzyeah, scared me at first too
08:14:46earHertzall teh voids
08:14:50earHertzbut it'
08:14:58CreativePonyI was thinking today about seeing if I could do anything interesting in a plugin.. I figure I should atleast manage a hello world
08:14:58earHertzit's very straight forward
08:15:04earHertzget a copy of K&R
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08:16:02CreativePonyI... don't know what that is
08:16:19earHertzK&R inventwed C. They wrote a book teching how to use it
08:16:25earHertzit's very accesable
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08:16:44CreativePonyif its a giant book on programming, i'm not interested, the only way I can learn to code it just by persistantly making mistakes till they stop happening, I've tried books in the past
08:16:54earHertzno, it's less than 200 pagesw
08:17:08earHertzand they give you a bunch of tutorial examplres
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08:18:11CreativePonylotsa failures
08:18:19CreativePonyseems like I don't have make o_o
08:18:21earHertzin the script?
08:18:31*CreativePony installs make
08:18:34earHertzoh, well apt-get
08:19:04midgey34CraetivePony: to address a comment you made earlier, you can have different strings on different targets
08:19:08CreativePonythat thingy tried to make lots of stuff, and didn't
08:20:06midgey34in english.lang, where it says *: "PLAY = Yes" write h120: "SELECT = Yes" under it in both places
08:20:13CreativePonyHmm.. I guess I could add another string with an irivery name to it, and include that in those #ifdef thingys
08:20:21sharpeahah, i believe it works so far.
08:20:30CreativePonyeven better!
08:20:40midgey34assuming you have an h120/140 and not an h110/h115
08:20:47CreativePonyI do
08:21:51*midgey34 considers putting a buggy Blackjack on the tracker
08:22:28midgey34I'll be gone for 6 days; it's only fair I release I think
08:22:53midgey34maybe let some other coders fix the two last bugs
08:23:28CreativePonyUnreasonable feature request: Someone please make the line out output a PAL tv signal that I can plug in to my TV's AV input, and display rich full screen colour visualisation.. or play doom in colour, on my h140 :p
08:24:19scorchesharpe: get on vent
08:24:47sharpescorche: can't. busy. phone.
08:25:09earHertzsharpe's talking to his girlfriend
08:25:15midkaythat's a laugh.
08:25:19earHertzonly $4.99 a minute
08:25:32scorcheohhhhhhh baby
08:26:10amiconnCreativePony: The yes/no issue is not a bug in the code, it's a known issue in the .lang files
08:26:39amiconnThey're prepared to take different strings per target, just no one has gone ahead and fixed this up
08:26:50scorchei was gonna say something clever and absolutely funny, but then amiconn said something and i got embarrassed
08:27:15sharpescorche: about what?
08:27:26scorche<earHertz> only $4.99 a minute
08:27:42*scorche blushes
08:28:00midkaythat as earHertz you tart.
08:28:23*earHertz is playing with blocks
08:28:47sharpeearHertz: so far, the malloc works. just need to do the alignment...
08:29:36earHertzthe alignm,ent should be automatic
08:29:58sharpewell, it would appear to not be...
08:30:02earHertzrecall the strcut starts with a size_t
08:33:08sharpewhen you talked about the alignment, the pointers returned by malloc should be word aligned?
08:33:41midkaysharpe, you're not on the phone, talking about all these pointers and alignment!
08:33:55sharpemidkay: multitasking. hah.
08:34:05sharpegee... i wonder what that's about...
08:34:10earHertzsharpe: at least
08:34:23earHertzand probably at most
08:36:04sharperight now, if an odd number of bytes is allocated, the next address returned won't be aligned.
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08:36:29earHertzno, no
08:36:49earHertzalways return a block
08:37:05sharpethey are always returned
08:37:26earHertzreturn a block that's a multiple of word size
08:37:46earHertzIf I ask for 5 bytes, give me 8 (assuming word is 4 bytes)
08:37:49Jungti1234Don't they exist much?
08:38:02sharpealright then
08:38:12earHertzactually, you're giveing me 12, becauuse the first four bytes are teh bliock size
08:38:34earHertzbut you'll give me the address of teh the first byte after the block size, with is word size
08:39:04CreativePonyamiconn, so I just need to add them for h100 and h120 targets?
08:40:03sharpealright, so just go up to the next word-aligned size...
08:42:08sharpescorche: what'd you want me to get on ventrilo for?
08:42:47midkayso we can chat!
08:42:52midkaythe three of us, best buds.
08:43:02sharpeeh, i've a few minutes to spare.
08:43:25sharpeany specific server...?
08:47:45*midgey34 adds blackjack code to the tracker
08:51:36*CreativePony whines, she wants tv out! :p
08:54:03earHertzwell, figure out how pal differs from NTSC
08:55:08sharpe10 Hz. :)
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09:02:26CreativePonythere's an ntsc out plugin o^
09:03:50scorchesharpe: why so silent?
09:04:01sharpescorche: le phone.
09:05:06CreativePonywhats the volume number in rockbox? is that like becibal thingys?
09:05:50midkaybecibal? haha.
09:06:10midkaydb aka decibels!!
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09:06:59CreativePonytypo :p
09:07:20*CreativePony thinks she's pretty good at spelling for a horse
09:08:45midkaya horse? i thought you were a pony.
09:08:49midkayfrickin' liars.
09:08:56CreativePonypony's a kind of horse
09:09:01midkayi personally think sharpe sucks at grammar for being a dog.
09:09:11sharpethank you.
09:09:17midkayif you want a pony you say "daddy i want a pony" not "daddy i want a horse".
09:09:31CreativePonyI'm both o^
09:09:47earHertzdamned furriees
09:09:59CreativePonyi'm not a furry..
09:10:04midkayand you're not creative you dumb horse.
09:10:14*CreativePony droops her ears out to the sides
09:10:40midkayyou're freaking me out, FWIW.
09:10:44scorcheom....can i ride you?
09:10:58midkaythat all depends on what kind of ride you mean!
09:11:00CreativePonynot unless you get to know me well first..
09:11:10CreativePonyand only if there's no innuendo
09:11:14midkaydoes $10 change anything?
09:11:19*scorche whistles
09:11:22CreativePonyi don't do interspecies stuff o^
09:11:38CreativePonymidkay, nup
09:11:53scorchethese other guys said you did...
09:12:10CreativePonythey lied.. bratty stallions o^
09:12:30CreativePonyI dunno why stallions can't keep their minds shut
09:12:36CreativePonybut I guess I can't either :p
09:13:41CreativePonydoes compiling always take forever o^
09:13:43earHertzthis is why furries squick me
09:13:50CreativePonyi'm not a furry..
09:14:04CreativePonyoh.. *see's the pun*
09:14:07CreativePonyno not like that
09:14:16earHertzno pun
09:14:41CreativePonymost horseys don't speak a whole lot, we use a different communication method.. the closest word for it is telepathy.. but its not exactly that
09:14:42midkaythis conversation is moving away from the G-rated style of #rockbox.
09:14:58CreativePonyyeah, can we stay g-rated pleaaaase?
09:14:59earHertzoh crap, the ufos can carry things
09:15:18scorchei just wanted a nice, innocent ride
09:15:27*CreativePony stops talking to earHertz now o_o
09:16:25earHertzioh, write, you don't have windows
09:16:32earHertzit's desktop toys
09:16:36CreativePonyi'm kinda glad too..
09:16:56earHertzmidkay: you have windows?
09:17:14sharpei've known that...
09:17:23midkaycome back to vent sharpe.
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09:17:51midkaythat looks really fun.
09:17:58scorchei wanna ride the pony daddy!
09:19:11*CreativePony grunts
09:19:25earHertzmidkay: thry the "evil" set
09:19:26scorchehorses dont grunt...
09:19:32midkayi will!
09:19:35CreativePonyyes we do
09:19:45scorchehorses snort
09:19:54CreativePonysnort, grunt, whinny, nicker..
09:19:59CreativePonyhorses do lotsa stuff
09:20:02scorchewithout the grunting
09:20:07CreativePonywith the grunting
09:20:11CreativePonyalso huffing
09:20:40scorchei like to huff and grunt a lot
09:20:59scorchei might while riding that alright?
09:21:08CreativePonyyou are not riding me
09:21:32earHertzscorche: give it a rest
09:21:42*scorche points at midkay
09:21:45scorchehe made me do it
09:22:03earHertzyes, but he's satan's spawn, we all know that
09:22:03*CreativePony hoofkicks scorche
09:22:16earHertzCreativePony: give it a rest
09:23:23earHertznow why won't the ufos carry teh teddy bear?
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09:24:02CreativePonyrest what?
09:24:21midkayearHertz, wow.. pretty awesome.
09:24:38midkaywhere's the evil one?
09:24:43earHertzthe ufos abduct teh little people
09:24:54earHertzum, fourth oplayset on the first page
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09:26:54CreativePonypony getting very confused & stressed.. losing speech from stress.. gotta go calm down now..
09:27:01CreativePonylater back maybe..
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09:27:32sharpetalk backwards can i.
09:28:21Equalizercan someone help me i tried installing rockbox and now my ipod doesnt work says rockbox bootload then freezes after the checksum
09:29:01earHertzinstall a differnt copy of rockbox
09:29:35Equalizerhow its stuck on that screen and now longer is detected
09:29:46earHertzreboot the ipod
09:30:00Equalizeri tried just goes back to the same screen
09:30:08earHertzthen plug it in to your computer
09:30:21earHertzhold down menu when you reboot
09:31:20Equalizerdid that then apple logo appears for like one second and goes to that bootloader
09:32:24earHertzreelaese menu and select
09:32:29earHertzpress menu hold it down
09:33:23Equalizersame thing
09:34:02earHertztry plugging iot in to the pc
09:34:43Equalizernothing happens
09:34:52earHertzis it plugged in?
09:35:26earHertzreboot it noe, keeping it plugged in
09:35:27Jungti1234How do I see users list which was in existing?
09:35:40earHertzJungti1234: huh?
09:35:51Jungti1234I don't exist there.
09:36:04Jungti1234re? how?
09:36:16Equalizersame thing happened
09:36:29Jungti1234Do I remove and re-register?
09:36:43earHertzEqualizer: I'm sure there's a solutuion, but I don't know what iot is
09:36:48earHertzpost to the forum
09:37:47amiconnJungti1234: If you can still log in, there's no need to re-register
09:38:11midkayearHertz, has your cursor ever disappeared playing with Souptoys?
09:38:19amiconnSome users are missing in TwikiUsers even though they can still log in and edit topics
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09:38:56Equalizeri think i found a solution pressed the play play/pause button at same as the other two and it loaded the apple firmware
09:38:58Jungti1234I know but there are no people now was in former days.
09:39:16earHertzEqualizer: huh
09:40:26midkayah.. 'twas my wireless mouse's batteries.
09:40:31midkaysouptoys are fun.
09:40:41Equalizerwhen i pressed menu+select+play all at same time and held them down it loaded apples firmward instead of rockbox
09:40:47earHertzI want a spring though
09:40:53Equalizerand now the computer detected it
09:40:57midkayi love the music.
09:41:15midkay"souptoys!" bwip-da-da-da-buh-bewww bwip-da-da-da-buh-bweeew..
09:41:19earHertzEqualizer: ok, your vversion of rockbox was corrupt. get a new version, install tat
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09:42:36Equalizerhow do you install it i downloaded a installer can i just copy the files to the ipod
09:43:27Equalizeri want the one from this page
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09:44:01earHertzEqualizer: yeah, just copy. Unzip a onto your ipod
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09:46:45Equalizercool worked sort of looks all plain how do i get it to look like the one on that page in the forum
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09:50:26earHertzEqualizer: menu|browse tehemes
09:52:59Equalizerdo you know if its possible to have ipodlinux,rockbox and apples fireware all on there and be able to pick the one you want
09:53:12scorcheyes it is
09:53:54Equalizerhow would you go about doing that is there instructions somewhere
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10:05:15sharpemidkay: i'll be back.
10:05:23midkayas in... hours?
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10:15:41JdGordonhey all
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10:25:06midkaysharpe sTARTS NOW
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11:02:38JdGordonstupid farking apt-get/ubuntu/fubared libsdl package :'(
11:03:16JdGordonin other news.... while we r in feature freeze, do the weekly patches email need to get sent? the bugs 1 is good, but the patches?
11:04:01linxustb_Equalizer: If you want RetailOS, IPL and Rockbox, the easiest way is to first install IPL according to their instructions (or using their GUI installer), and then you just need to download the correct for your ipod and unzip it to the root of your ipod.
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11:13:53CreativePonyI did it!
11:14:10CreativePonyI fixed my own problem! yay mee!
11:14:55JdGordonwell done
11:15:19CreativePonyooh, thanks
11:15:20JdGordonthats was supposed to be one of the first things to get fixed when langv2 was introduced.. its funny its still there :D
11:16:16JdGordoncan u add the line h300: NAVI = yes to your patch as well?
11:16:35CreativePonyI guess o^
11:17:53JdGordonive bumped its severity so hopefully it gets noticed :D
11:18:39*CreativePony nods
11:19:45CreativePonyshouldn't that be SELECT = Yes also? that seems to be what that buttons called in the rockbox manual and things..
11:21:05JdGordonreally? its clearly maked as NAVI on the player, and should be NAVI in the manual as well?
11:21:20JdGordonhang on... rockbox manuall for which target?
11:21:41CreativePonyahh, on the h100's its not marked, its only called NAVI in the iriver firmware and its manuals
11:22:02CreativePonyWell I haven't looked at the 300's manual
11:22:14*CreativePony checks
11:22:33CreativePonyooh, you're right
11:23:07linxustb_So the h100's manual calls a joystick press "navi" ?
11:23:51CreativePonythink so
11:24:11*JdGordon thought it was SELECT on the h1xx and NAVI on h300
11:24:26CreativePonyi seem to remember the firmware upgrade feature saying on screen "Press NAVI to upgrade firmware" or something to that effect on a confirmation screen
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11:24:46CreativePonyi have a US h140, maybe the european ones are different?
11:24:59*CreativePony reboots her player and checks..
11:25:25JdGordonye, its the select in the h1xx manual
11:26:41CreativePonyoh god..
11:26:55CreativePonyi just activated the firmware upgrade function.. without any firmware's on the drive
11:27:25CreativePonyhmm.. didn't seem to do anything.. just rebooted
11:27:41JdGordonfirmware upgrade function?
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11:28:03CreativePonyin the official us h120 firmware
11:28:11CreativePonyi was looking for that mention of NAVI
11:28:19CreativePonyi'm SURE they called it that somewhere!
11:28:20JdGordonoh, ok
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11:28:36JdGordonon the remote it says select/NAVI for the same button
11:28:51*JdGordon is off
11:29:10*CreativePony add's the new patch as a comment
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11:31:32CreativePonysomeone want to edit the topic of that patch to mention h300 too?
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11:35:26sharpehmm. he did press the button.
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11:40:14*scorche` taps his fingers on the table like one who really wants to say something, but refrains for the purposes of keeping this channel relatively on topic and not starting a flame war
11:40:36midkayno, no, go on/
11:41:06sharpescorche`: don't flame, refrain. hah.
11:42:34*midkay is hah-patrol.
11:42:47*sharpe is the hah-outlaw.
11:46:28JdGordonCreativePony: chaneg the topic for ya.. now we wait :p
11:52:34CreativePonyso.. this C business.. if I manage to make a buffer overflow, my data just starts being writen in to random other stuff still something crashes?
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11:57:21*CreativePony has never programmed in something that could do that before! :p
11:58:04JdGordonbuffer overflows are fun :D
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11:58:45*CreativePony nods
11:59:33*CreativePony tries to make a plugin.. not sure how exactly you get them to show up in the menu.. like.. it seems there's a helloworld sample in there.. but it doesn't show up on her player..
11:59:58linuxstbCreativePony: You need to add the name of your .c file to apps/plugins/SOURCES before compiling
12:00:25*JdGordon is off again, cyaz
12:01:36LinusNcan someone have a look at this page and tell me how he/she sees the phrase "Add / Remove Programs?" in the beginning of that page
12:01:55LinusNi see it surrounded by strange characters
12:02:48scorche`i see it surrounded by �
12:02:51midkayi see querstion marks.
12:02:51linuxstbYes, I see it surrounded by diamonds with ? inside.
12:03:05scorche`(question mark inside of a diamong)
12:03:14CreativePonyso.. do i just run make, then make zip, and copy to my player to test, or must I run configure again?
12:03:14LinusNi see that in a lot of places in the wiki
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12:03:36LinusNseems michael difebbo is to blame
12:03:40CreativePonysame for me too LinusN
12:03:48linuxstbThe page is identified as iso-8859-15...
12:04:06MrStaticVoidyeah, switching to iso-8859-1 showed the correct characters.
12:04:25LinusNi wondered what it was supposed to look like, i guess it's some kind of quotes or formatting codes
12:04:41linuxstbYes, it's the "66" and "99" quotes.
12:04:59linuxstbAs MrStaticVoid said, switch your browser to iso-8859-1
12:07:24LinusNshouldn't be necessary
12:07:51MrStaticVoidin the html: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-15">
12:08:09MrStaticVoidis that easily modifiable?
12:08:22linuxstbI wonder if the previous wiki setup was iso-8859-1
12:08:43*CreativePony praises utf-8 o_o
12:09:06linuxstbAccording to google's cache, it was.
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12:14:35LinusNok, fixed
12:19:38Slasheriah, now i have search option "search by score" working with tagcache :)
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12:19:56Slasheri"Best" title ? autoscore > "70" & playcount > "1"
12:20:00Slasheriand that works too :)
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12:24:10linuxstbSlasheri: I organise my directories as ARTISTNAME/YEAR-ALBUM/NN-TRACKNAME.ext - can I recreate that view in tagcache?
12:25:23Slasherilinuxstb: defining the format (i.e., adding year to the album string) is not yet possible using the config file
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12:26:32linuxstbIs it something you're planning?
12:26:43qwmno, i'm not planning anything.
12:26:57Slasheriyes, that would be useful with the scoring too. Sorting could be done automatically
12:27:00CreativePonyYay, I made a useless plugin which recites poetry
12:27:03qwmi'm incapable of planning things.
12:27:03CreativePonyThis is fun!
12:27:33qwmwhat's the progress on the support?
12:27:49Slasherilinuxstb: in fact, that is probably the next thing i will try to do.. because it would be useful debugging if the scoring system works right
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12:28:02*CreativePony blinks
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12:31:21midkayCreativePony's a dirty dirty little pony.
12:31:45*scorche` wonders if CreativePony knows the correlation between horses and glue
12:32:51*CreativePony knows that glue isn't made from horses..
12:33:54scorche`i beg to differ...
12:35:11*CreativePony knows that glue made from hooves has been obsolite for a very long time
12:35:30scorche`"Hoof glue is still used today in cabinetry and other fine woodworking projects where the joints must be extremely fine if not invisible."
12:35:52scorche`WRONG AGAIN :p
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12:36:23Slasherilinuxstb: hmm, i will add support inserting numeric tags to the current view, for example: "Search by score" title "%-3.autoscore. %result" ? autoscore > ""
12:37:17Slasherithat would then list all songs which have user selected score and in format "67. title" (for score 67 for example)
12:37:40Slasheriups, in fact " 67. title"
12:37:57Slasheribut i am not sure what is the best format to describe the string
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13:18:41dan_aYay! I think I'm getting somewhere with sound on the 3g iPod... but it's not working yet
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13:26:10linuxstbdan_a: Are you "webguest" from the other day?
13:26:42dan_aNo... was there someone else looking at it too?
13:27:25dan_aI'm the one who said on the forum that I was going to give it a go, even though I can't really program
13:27:32linuxstbWell, someone came and asked what needed to be done with the 3g port, and he seemed keen on working on it. Haven't heard from him since though.
13:27:45dan_aI've spotted a bug in crt0.S
13:28:26linuxstbI think the current problem is that the FIQ handler is never being called - so something is not being initialised right. What's the crt0.S bug?
13:28:37linuxstbDo you know what the FIQ is?
13:29:02dan_aIt's a kind of interrupt handler, isn't it?
13:30:21dan_aThe crt0.S bug is at line 231 - for the PP5002 that address should be 0xc000251c
13:30:44linuxstbYes. The FIQ is the "fast interrupt" - it's used to keep the small (32-byte I think) I2S FIFO full of data. So it's called about 5000 times a second during playback.
13:31:46linuxstbLine 231 is empty in my copy of crt0.S....
13:32:14dan_aSorry, that should be line 291
13:32:31linuxstbIISCONFIG ?
13:32:38dan_aThat's right
13:32:52dan_aIt's different on the PP5002
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13:33:36dan_aI've tried a straight swap of the addresses, but it still crashes when I try to play anything
13:33:53linuxstbThat's not important - that is just pre-loading the banked FIQ registers for the assembler version of the FIQ handler. The PP5002 is using the C version of the FIQ handler.
13:34:24linuxstbSo yes, it's wrong, but it's never used.
13:34:37dan_aOh well... I'm trying :)
13:37:12mordovis it posible to get the tagchace to skip folders? I doon need my audiobooks in tag navi :)
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13:38:05linuxstbdan_a: Try this patch: - it increments a variable every time the FIQ handler is called, and displays that variable in the audio thread debug screen. IIRC, it's always zero - that's the bug you need to fix.
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13:38:26linuxstb(or at least, it's the first bug to fix)
13:38:58linuxstbmordov: Not at the moment, but It's been discussed a few times - you're not the only person wanting it.
13:39:44dan_alinuxstb: The problem is that as soon as I try to play audio, the whole thing crashes with undefined instruction or prefetch errors
13:39:55mordovok :) waiting in patienc then :)
13:39:55dan_abut I'll get that patch applied anyway
13:40:12linuxstbAh, that's different to how people described it before. Does the error message give an address?
13:40:56dan_aIt does, and I've noted some of them down
13:41:13dan_aIt tends to be different errors and addresses every time
13:41:36dan_aeven if I'm playing the same file
13:41:57linuxstbThat sounds promising - at least something is happening.
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13:43:13linuxstbHave you changed anything else in the code apart from that value in crt0.S?
13:46:55shriphanihello LinusN
13:47:00shriphanii mean linuxstb
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13:48:32webguest96hello! does anyone have cool themes which look good on a H300???
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13:49:17Hansmaulwurfwebguest96: ?
13:50:50PaulJamwow, he seems to be really impatient.
13:52:01Genre9mp3or maybe just had problems with the web client
13:57:02dan_alinuxstb: the only other thing I've changed was a line in apps/logfdisp.c to make it compile for the 3G
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14:49:14Slasherilinuxstb: ah, now it should be almost possible =) now the following work for example:
14:49:20Slasheri"Search by score" title = "(%3d) %s" autoscore title ? autoscore > ""
14:49:28Slasheri"Artists" artist : album : title = "%02d. %s" tracknum title
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14:51:15Slasherilinuxstb: probably you could do something like: "Artists" artist : album = "%04d-%s" year album : title = "%02d-%s" tracknum title
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14:55:33PaulJamis the syntax for the tagnavi.config somewhere documented?
14:56:32Slasherinot yet
14:56:42Slasheribecause it still evolves a lot :)
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15:00:19linuxstbSlasheri: I'm still trying to understand your syntax, but it's looking very powerful now...
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15:34:18modafromancan someone please compile this for me
15:36:20modafromanor is there some sort of online compiler or something?
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15:37:33CreativePonywhy don't you do it yourself..?
15:37:35PaulJamthere is a nice guide how to compile yourself in the wiki
15:38:13modafromanalright alright
15:38:29modafromanits just that its 11:30pm and i should be getting to bed
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15:46:35peturmodafroman: if it's that urgent to get a blackjack game, maybe you should look for treatment for you gambling addiction :p
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15:54:25*S0ap is going to attempt a rockbox compile today, but is scared how long it will take on a K6-III 450
15:54:40peturwith cygwin?
15:54:56S0apyea, that's the direction I'm leaning.
15:55:20peturcygwin is already bloody slow on my amd 3500+
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15:56:01peturdon't try to build your own crosscompiler, that will take all night
15:56:31S0apI'm used to the slow speeds, when I convert my DVDs to XviD for backup it takes all week.
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15:57:28S0apMaybe I'll ask later about a faster way, but I haven't even finished going through all the instructions yet, so I won't ask now.
15:58:54peturthere are pre-build crosscompiler packages you can install from cygwin by pointing it to the rockbox site (see wiki)
15:59:48peturI think the cygwin slowness comes from its disk io so maybe compile speeds won't be that worse compared to what I have here
16:00:48S0apThat's a good tip, I will run it off a local drive then.
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16:11:48modafromanguys when i type ../tools/configure in cgwin i get a fatal error
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16:19:34modafromanlook, can someone please just compile it for me
16:20:53PaulJamyou should go to bed instead of playing blackjack
16:22:40modafromani am trying to compile it, but when i go make, it gives me a bunch of errors
16:22:51linuxstbWhat's the first error?
16:23:07linuxstb(and did the configure command work without errors?)
16:23:22modafromanyea it did configure, it was a dodgy extraction
16:24:15modafromanthe first error is rdf2binary.c:24:23 sys/types.h no such file/directory
16:24:32linuxstbIt seems you're missing some parts of cygwin...
16:25:28linuxstbDid you select all the packages mentioned here?
16:26:35modafromanwhat section would rdf2binary be located?
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16:27:33JdGordonrdf2binary is part of the rockbox/tools isnt it?
16:27:37linuxstbrdf2binary.c is one of the Rockbox files - the issue is the missing "sys/types.h"
16:28:37apo`Man, speaking album names is one annoying work :/ I still have to do 150 directories
16:28:46JdGordonmodafroman: are u trying to do a compile with extra patches? or just the regular compile?
16:29:43modafromanjust regular compile
16:30:11modafromanits the cvs extracted with blackjack in apps/plugins
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16:31:43JdGordonhmm... what h300 ye?
16:34:19peturlinuxstb: were there any reasons for backdrop.c to be placed in apps/recorder iso apps/gui ?
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16:34:55JdGordonmodafroman: u have the h300 ye?
16:35:18linuxstbpetur: In my mind, apps/recorder is for bitmapped LCDs, with apps/charcell being for the charcell LCDs. apps/gui applies to both.
16:35:51linuxstb(recorder being the name of the first Rockbox device with a bitmapped LCD - the Archos recorder)
16:35:55peturwell, the recorder folder isn't included for platforms without recording
16:36:15linuxstbit's used for ipods, and they don't have recording enabled.
16:36:15JdGordonhmm.. errors trying to compile it..
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16:37:40peturlinuxstb: nevermind, forgot to include backdrop.h :/
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16:43:36modafromanoh well
16:43:40modafromanim going to bed
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16:47:16modafromanis there anyway to just compile plugins?
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16:47:42miLhi people!
16:48:05miLwe are going to fill of good music !!!!!!!
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16:50:30peturmiL: sounds very illegal....
16:52:16peturstill, I have some live recordings to share and was looking for something like youtube but for music. This may be it, but looking at what's online now, I fear they'll be shut down pretty fast
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16:53:59miLis not illegal site
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16:54:55peturmaybe not the intention, but they have files online that the riaa won't like
16:56:05roland_webguestthere are more sites providing files the riaa don't like...
16:56:18miLyoutube for example
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16:57:40roland_webguestor an russian onlineshop preventing russia to join the WTO
16:57:56miLpetur upload any sound
16:58:00miLand paste url
16:58:10miLwe want to listen gold music
16:58:18peturno time now
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17:01:52linuxstbmiL: Why is that site not illegal?
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17:17:36miLin the terms and conditions, you can read that they hate copyrighted music
17:17:43miLand when you do the register:
17:18:25miLRemember you cant upload copyrighted music in any case
17:18:28S0apwhat site, may I ask?
17:18:58S0apdoes it matter what terms they /claim/? What matters is what is there, no?
17:19:07S0apde facto / de jure
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17:19:44linuxstb_(sorry. bad ADSL day...)
17:21:04miLS0ap I suppose
17:21:21linuxstb_The front page is full of copyrighted tracks...
17:22:17miLand youtube? linuxstb ?
17:22:31linuxstb_I'm not talking about youtube.
17:23:01linuxstb_Saying other similar sites exist does not make that one legal.
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18:28:53buzzardhey guys
18:28:58buzzardi have a problem
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18:29:18buzzardcan someone help me
18:30:02buzzardhow come i can't read my ebook in rockbox
18:30:14buzzardi put my files into the notes folder
18:30:15earHertzwhat kind of ebook?
18:30:32buzzardwell first it was pdf
18:30:35PaulJamconvert them to plain text files
18:30:36earHertzrockbiox can only read plain text
18:30:39buzzardthen i went turned it into text
18:30:50buzzard and i went to this website
18:31:01buzzardthat converts text to ipod notes
18:31:09buzzard and then i took those files
18:31:18buzzardand put them into the notes folder of my ipod
18:31:26buzzardwhen i acces my rockbox
18:31:30buzzard i see the files
18:31:33buzzardi click on it
18:31:38buzzardand nohing happens
18:31:42earHertzbuzzard: oh, ok
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18:31:52earHertzyou don't wnat to use teh text to ipod notes
18:32:02buzzardi see
18:32:04earHertzjust convert it to one long text file
18:32:13buzzardthanks alot man
18:32:18buzzardi apreciat it
18:32:27S0apmake sure the first character of the file isn't a space, CR, or tab
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18:33:36PaulJamS0ap: if he uses a very recent cvs version this is not necessary. there was a bugfix committed some hours ago.
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18:38:45buzzardi have another question
18:39:00buzzardis it possible to watch magazines on my ipos in rockbox
18:40:29S0apPaulJam - will that be in the next daily, or do I need to compile that myself?
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18:40:41S0apbuzzard - plain text only
18:40:50buzzardohh i see
18:41:02BigMachey does rockbox have a photo viewer?
18:41:11BigMacand if so what img formats?
18:41:53XavierGrBigMac are you serious
18:42:08XavierGrAfter last night you dare to come here again?
18:42:18BigMacwhat happened last night?
18:42:22BigMaci left
18:42:31BigMaci was at fireworks last night
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18:42:40PaulJamS0ap: get a bleeding edge build from here:
18:42:42XavierGrYes I mean the night previous the last
18:42:46BigMaci left at 5:00...
18:42:56BigMacno what happened
18:43:06XavierGrYou sweared at the people who helped you
18:43:07Genre9mp3BigMac: You are KoRn, aren't you?
18:43:21BigMac... i already explained to soap
18:43:26BigMacyounger brother
18:43:38S0apyou told me older...
18:43:39BigMacwere on a wireless connection..hence same ip
18:43:45BigMacno i didnt
18:43:48BigMaccheck the log
18:44:01BigMaci had to help him remove linux
18:44:16XavierGryou are a lousy liar KoRn
18:44:20BigMacremember we talked in #ipodlinux
18:44:33BigMacreally what would hint that im him?
18:44:39BigMacive been hospitable
18:44:47BigMaci've been helping people
18:45:03BigMacand my brother is an annoying *****
18:45:07XavierGrI don't care what you do. Stop swearing at people
18:45:21BigMacit wasn't me..
18:45:30BigMacbut ok
18:45:49BigMaci don't like swearing
18:46:14XavierGrwell if KoRn is your brother give him a spank!
18:46:17BigMacdoes anyone here use videoraipodconverter
18:46:26BigMaci had to help him yesterday
18:46:29earHertzI;ve used it
18:46:30S0apBigMac - that doesn't do anything for rockbox
18:46:39BigMache loses his patience
18:47:06BigMacdoes the faq cover account registering
18:47:11BigMacso i can send pms?
18:47:25Mikachu/msg nickserv help
18:47:26XavierGrtype /nickserv help
18:47:33XavierGryeah I am wrong
18:47:42earHertzer, don't pm me
18:48:10S0apuh, because he ASKED?
18:48:11earHertzbecause I used a tabbed chat client
18:48:31earHertzand Iif I go to a pm tab, UI miss what's going on in teh main chat
18:48:54BigMacwell then do I have permission to ask one question about videora quickly?
18:49:06earHertzsure, go ahead
18:49:35BigMacok does videora accept .mov files? because it won't let me put the .mov on my 5g
18:49:45S0apyou need to convert it first
18:49:51earHertzI have no idea, I've used it proabbaly twice
18:49:54S0apand IIRC videora will convert movs
18:50:10S0apIf I Recall Correctly
18:50:25BigMacok thank you im going to que it up.
18:50:37S0apyou need to remember that .mov is a _container_ format, like .avi or .ogm
18:50:49S0apso there is no telling from the extension what codec the .mov is.
18:51:12BigMacso are you saying it might not work correctly?
18:51:21S0apa "container" is just that...a single fine which holds 1 or more audio / video streams.
18:51:47S0apBigMac - I'm saying you need to convert it to an ipod-compatible format.
18:51:58BigMacwho here codes for rockbox?
18:52:03BigMacoh ok.
18:53:15BigMacwell if someone does, do you think it would be hard to code an ebook/pdf reader?
18:53:17XavierGrBagder: Can you change the channel topic? AFAIK the wiki is up now.
18:53:44BigMacit is?
18:54:12Genre9mp3yes it is
18:54:32linuxstb_BigMac: yes.
18:54:58linuxstb_(regarding your question about a pdf reader)
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18:55:04BigMacit would?
18:55:23BigMachow much harder is it for an ipod to read .txt then .pdf
18:55:35Genre9mp3much harder
18:55:43linuxstb.txt is the simpliest format you can think of. PDF one of the most complex...
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18:56:00earHertzthere's a pdf reader for the zaurus (which is an arm, like th eipod) but it probably depends on teh qt libs
18:56:00*S0ap would rather see HTML anyhoo
18:56:52BigMaci wouldn't mind either it is just the black and white background strains your eyes while reading after a while
18:57:03linuxstbChange the colours then...
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18:57:33BigMaci couldn't find that option?
18:57:40linuxstbThe manual?
18:57:50XavierGrfor gods sake!!!
18:58:16XavierGreven if you are his brother (i doubt it) you really have the same genes
18:58:49BigMaci just read the manual...
18:58:55XavierGrno you didn't
18:59:00BigMacI didn't catch it.
18:59:01XavierGrand we both know that
18:59:08BigMacyes I did
18:59:12XavierGrok ok
18:59:15XavierGras you say
18:59:17BigMacthe one that is under the daily build
18:59:23BigMacthe 800 something page one
18:59:49XavierGrOk I will shut up from now on.
18:59:54XavierGrI am feedding the troll!
18:59:59XavierGrplease all do so....
19:00:43*linuxstb yawns
19:01:07BigMacdoes anyone here like
19:02:05BigMachave you guys ever thought of making a !manual command?
19:02:15XavierGrwow Bigmac, you came 3rd in this months log activity
19:02:21BigMacthat would hyper link you to the manual
19:02:30BigMacim that good
19:02:48BigMaclike !ipod video manual
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19:03:22S0appeople who don't read the manual aren't likely to read the topic to see the command to read the manual.
19:04:00BigMacno but you could say look at the topic
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19:04:05BigMacthen bam
19:06:59BigMaci just searched the whole document for .txt and it doesn't tell you how to change thed colors
19:07:25S0apthe topic would have to be a mile long to contain all the commands, so most likely they would need to be told to you upon arival by a bot, and people would forget, so we're back to square one (where we are at now). Then there is the fact that telling someone to view the topic (which contains commands for automatic linking to the manuals) is as likely to elicit responses of "What about the topic" as it is "Oh, you want me to get the manual
19:07:46PaulJamwhy don't you search for "colours" if you want to change the colours?
19:07:56borges_you can change them globally. general settings -> display -> lcd settings
19:08:09BigMacoh nvm
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19:09:06BigMacsoap you could do MANUAL COMMAND:<mp3 player modelname>manual
19:09:24linuxstbThis is an IRC channel, not an interactive manual...
19:09:25BigMac!<mp3 player model name>manual
19:09:26S0apwhat is your model name?
19:09:40S0apipod5g? ipodvideo?
19:10:11BigMaccan anyone else load that
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19:17:22[Hells]hi all
19:17:32[Hells]ive a non-rockbox question
19:18:05[Hells]do you know a good tool to defragment (is it called like that?) a harddisk?
19:18:32earHertzuse whatefer you use to defragment your other disks
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19:18:36ender`tar everything to another disk, reformat, untar? :)
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19:18:54[Hells]ive not enough space
19:19:05earHertzthen do what ender said
19:19:20S0apyou don't have enough space on the device you wish to defrag? Or do you not have enough space to back it up?
19:19:27BigMacdo you run windows?
19:19:28[Hells]i even cant defragment with the windows application due to he sais i need 15% free space
19:19:33[Hells]yes, im running win
19:19:46 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.")
19:19:49S0apthen backup 15% of your share and defrag, then put the 15% back.
19:19:57BigMacoh nvm i was going to tell you to use the system defragmenter
19:20:07[Hells]this could be one solution
19:20:20[Hells]but arent there any other tools who could help me?
19:20:38[Hells]maybe some who could do the job even better or faster?
19:20:51[Hells]thought u guys would know :)
19:20:56borges_you could try o&o defrag, it's pretty good... not sure if it has the same space limitations though
19:21:03S0apI am sure free defrag programs exist, but I use a commercial one, and am not going to tell you to spend 75 bucks.
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19:21:10borges_i just did :(
19:21:49[Hells]do you know any other
19:21:54S0apgoogle does
19:22:01[Hells]than ill try them all and choose the best :)
19:22:30S0apor move 15%, defrag, move it back, and be done in 1 unattended hout.
19:22:46[Hells]yes, but i thought you could give me same results as google with the non-available shit-filter
19:22:51[Hells]if u understand
19:24:37[Hells]ok thx ill google it and look for o&o defrag, thanx all :)
19:25:13[Hells]be the way, PRETTY fine job with rockbox ;) love it (if it just wouldnt hang up sometimes :() cya @ll
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19:31:55BigMaci'm guessing he was esl.
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20:40:25Harryhow do i paly doom wads
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20:44:35linuxstb_The answer to all questions.
20:45:06Hansmaulwurfhow did you know Harry asked a question, you just joined
20:45:16PaulJam_the channel is logged
20:45:20Hansmaulwurfbtw, the mini1g manual is mission in your link :P
20:45:47Hansmaulwurfwell, its the same...
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20:49:23Mode"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
20:49:51Topic"Business as usual - still no 3.0" by LinusN (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
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20:50:14Mode"#rockbox -o LinusN " by LinusN (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
20:51:26XavierGrheh nice topic!
20:52:08XavierGrThe first topic I remember was: Rockbox! The coolest firmware around. :D
20:52:09Hansmaulwurfhehe yeah
20:52:32scorcheLinusN: i believe we need to make another news post on the main page as well
20:52:38Hansmaulwurfi feel its a bit sarcastic ;)
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20:52:49scorchea Bagder/Zagor job?
20:52:53LinusNscorche: about the wiki?
20:53:16scorche"The twiki parts are still disabled and will be brought back once we believe we have them "secured" properly."
20:54:29Mikachuthere's a local root exploit out for linux and earlier, fixed in .5
20:54:53Mikachuspeaking of security
20:55:06LinusNscorche: like that?
20:55:38scorcheyeah...just a little something is/was needed
20:55:45DoubleThink2don't know if this is the right place.... but can someone help me fix a really messed up iPod.....?
20:57:24Harrycan anyone get me top views of pool tables
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20:57:47PaulJam_i guess google can
20:57:52Harryi tryed
20:58:13Paul_The_NerdIf I type "pool table top" in google, and then click images, I get some...
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20:59:02Harrydamm joo
20:59:35DoubleThink2and if the "I guess google can" was to me then... I have been over all the wikis but the FW is still not loading....
20:59:59DoubleThink2rewritting the MBR and FW didn't help much
21:00:12PaulJamit was meant for Harry.
21:00:54Paul_The_NerdDoubleThink2: What does the Apple restore tool do?
21:00:56PaulJamif nothing helps, you can still use the apple restore program
21:01:03DoubleThink2it says can't mount Ipod
21:01:34DoubleThink2though it is in disk mode and I can see it in My Computer
21:01:52Paul_The_NerdWhen I had that issue
21:02:01Paul_The_NerdI used windows format to reformat my ipod entirely, then Apple Restore saw it.
21:02:05Paul_The_NerdI can't promise this will work for you
21:02:12DoubleThink2no it didn't =(
21:02:19DoubleThink2that's how it got messed up in the first place
21:02:25Paul_The_NerdWhat's it formatted to?
21:02:40Paul_The_NerdTry formatting NTFS, then restarting the computer
21:02:43Paul_The_NerdTHEN trying Apple Restore.
21:03:04DoubleThink2I don't think you can format it to NTFS...
21:03:14DoubleThink2that... and I am on linux right now
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21:03:41Paul_The_NerdWell, I had to format my nano to NTFS to get it to the point where the Restore tool seemed to just say "Look, forget my complaints. I'll just do it."
21:04:32DoubleThink2hmm... but then.... I'll have to boot back into windows and stuff.. =(.... hope it works
21:04:41DoubleThink2bbs maybe
21:04:53Paul_The_NerdGood luck!
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21:15:48BigMacok how do i open my jpegs?
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21:16:08BigMaci saved them to the root of my ipod 5g in myPICS
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21:22:02Hansmaulwurfwhy is everyone leaving when i try to help
21:22:18Paul_The_NerdBigMac has lost the right to help here anyway, in my opinion. And I *really* don't say that much.
21:22:58Hansmaulwurfhuh? why?
21:23:26Paul_The_NerdBecause fairly recently he decided to curse me and a few others out very rudely.
21:23:38Hansmaulwurfah ok
21:24:08MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: according to him that was his brother
21:24:25Paul_The_NerdWas it his brother all those other times too?
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21:24:35Paul_The_NerdHe's had a history of being rude and contentious in here.
21:24:41linuxstb_Odd they are never online at the same time...
21:24:54XavierGrMikachu: I think none of us believed that lie
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21:25:32DoubleThink2ok..... can't format ipod mini to ntfs
21:26:02|apo|rockbox doesn't even support NTFS, afaik
21:26:09|apo|So that's be quite pointless :P
21:26:14Paul_The_Nerd|apo|: Nah, it's pointful.
21:26:15DoubleThink2nuh this was about something else
21:26:39Paul_The_NerdMy Nano wouldn't be recognized by the Apple Restore tool at one point until I reformatted it to NTFS. As FAT32, the Restore Tool just refused to see it for some reason.
21:26:42|apo|Oh well, whatever.. *goes back to voicing his folders*
21:26:45DoubleThink2my ipod is completly dead so I can't even use the apple restore tool.... Paul suggested I try to.... what he said....
21:27:21Mikachucan you access it in linux?
21:27:45Mikachui think if you just restore the normal partition layout it should work to restore
21:28:14Mikachubut their program isn't very good, it should always recognize the ipod...
21:28:16DoubleThink2nuh... didn't work
21:28:57DoubleThink2I need to repartition it now anyway since formatting it totally ruined the partitioning
21:29:34Mikachumy nano always works if i have a 10block partition of type 0 with the firmware on and a second fat partition in the rest of the space
21:29:41Mikachui've recreated that manually 3 or so times
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21:30:18DoubleThink2 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
21:30:18DoubleThink2/dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty
21:30:18DoubleThink2/dev/sda2 6 497 3951990 b W95 FAT32
21:30:23DoubleThink2is what I have
21:31:50DoubleThink2resetting the iPod I get the folder with an exclamation mark =(
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21:33:36DoubleThink2no suggestions? =(
21:34:04Paul_The_Nerddd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sda1 ?
21:34:51DoubleThink2yeah I downloaded mbr-mini2g-4gb.bin off the rockbox mac install wiki
21:35:22DoubleThink2and extracted the FW from ipod updater
21:35:42DoubleThink2put the mbr on sda, fw on sda1
21:36:00DoubleThink2and.... yeah... that's about it
21:36:03Mikachudid you mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda2 ?
21:36:22DoubleThink2...don't think I did
21:36:25DoubleThink2what does that do?
21:36:27|apo|By the way, is voice support for tagcache planned?
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21:36:32Mikachucreates a fat filesystem
21:36:47DoubleThink2I did now
21:36:54Mikachuwhich is a good thing to have on a fat partition
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21:37:38DoubleThink2still get the folder icon though
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21:38:00Mikachumaybe it needs the ipod control stuff
21:38:07Mikachubut it's worth trying the restore program now
21:38:23DoubleThink2but... then I have to boot into windows again..... =(
21:39:23DoubleThink2but yeah brb
21:39:24Paul_The_NerdIt shouldn't need the ipod control stuff to boot.
21:39:31Paul_The_NerdI've erased it several times, and had it rebuild on reboot.
21:39:42DoubleThink2yeah... same...
21:39:45Paul_The_NerdBy the way, ddint just the apple_os.bin from the updater may not work.
21:39:53Paul_The_NerdIt's not in the same format as a properly constructed bootpartition.bin
21:40:08DoubleThink2I used make_fw
21:40:16Paul_The_NerdBut how did you use it?
21:40:22DoubleThink2./make_fw_64 -o apple_os.bin -e 0 FIRMWARE-
21:40:36DoubleThink2should I have added -g mini ?
21:40:50Paul_The_NerdI don't even know how to use make_fw honestly.
21:41:03Paul_The_NerdAt least not for the purposes you are.
21:41:12DoubleThink2I will try it with -g mini then
21:41:24Paul_The_NerdBut the error you're getting usually means that it can't find firmware in the firmware partition.
21:41:28DoubleThink2That's what I was told to do on #ipodlinux.... then people got frustrated with me >.>
21:41:31Paul_The_NerdWhich usually comes from dding an invalid bin to it
21:41:53Mikachutry putting the rockbox bootloader on, then you'll know if the error is before or after the firmware loading
21:42:57DoubleThink2where do I get that?
21:43:17DoubleThink2I think I tried that... but it was combined with the firmware I extracted
21:43:28DoubleThink2so... that would probably be diff
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21:46:29DoubleThink2what does this mean? "the original firmware has the sw at 0, and a flash updater at 1"
21:46:33DoubleThink2sw? flash updater?
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21:48:22linuxstb_DoubleThink2: Are you still trying to install IPL, or do you just want to restore your ipod to its original condition? (that's what confused me when we were talking in #ipodlinux)
21:48:36DoubleThink2original condition
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21:48:48DoubleThink2oh hey =)
21:49:46linuxstb_Then: 1) dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sda 2) Unplug then reattach your ipod; 3) dd if=FIRMWARE- of=/dev/sda1 ; 4) mkfs -F 32 /dev/sda2 ; 5) Unplug your ipod
21:50:13linuxstb_That assumes that FIRMWARE- is the unmodified file you extracted from the updater.
21:52:19DoubleThink2all good up to 4)
21:52:20DoubleThink2mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
21:52:20DoubleThink2mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count - /dev/sda2
21:52:46linuxstb_Sorry, that should be something like mkfs.vfat -F 32 ...
21:53:13DoubleThink2mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda2 ?
21:53:26Mikachumkdosfs and mkfs.vfat is the same program
21:54:19DoubleThink2think it is loading
21:54:37DoubleThink2oh my god =)
21:54:42DoubleThink2Thanks hell of a lot
21:55:01Mikachuwhat was different now versus before? no makefw?
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21:55:40DoubleThink2I didn't do step 2..... did step 3 not with the unmodified file... and didn't mkfs
21:55:52DoubleThink2so.... one of those things....
21:56:37DoubleThink2thanks linuxstb, Mikachu and Paul =)
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21:57:29linuxstb_Now you can install Rockbox on it :)
21:57:45DoubleThink2rockbox is better than IPL right?
21:58:14PaulJamdepends on what you want to do with it.
21:59:05DoubleThink2..... I liked being able to say that I have linux on my ipod, can play doom and have a gameboy emulator......thought I never used any of those... just the concept of it....
21:59:14linuxstb_They are different things. Rockbox's main focus is music playback.
21:59:20DoubleThink2gonna go see what rockbox has
21:59:44DoubleThink2it's possible to have rockbox and IPL right?
21:59:58linuxstb_But Rockbox also has lots of plugins - see the list here:
22:00:09linuxstb_(all those plugins come as standard when you install Rockbox)
22:00:11Mikachuas an aside, rockbox does have doom and a gameboy emulator
22:00:22linuxstb_Not for the mini though... (yet)
22:00:32Mikachuah right
22:00:49Mikachudoom in monochrome can't be fun, does ipl also have a graylib?
22:00:49linuxstb_Although I'm not sure about Rockboy, maybe it works on the mini...
22:00:51DoubleThink2" Full-screen clock with 6 mode" O_o
22:00:53XavierGrDoubleThink2:Once you start using Rockbox and get the hang of it, you will never consider to buy another DAP that won't be rockbox compatible
22:01:00DoubleThink2wow.... all the fun with a clock... but in full screen...
22:01:14Mikachuthe clock plugin is the craziest plugin ever
22:01:15linuxstb_Mikachu: No, no greyscale lib in IPL
22:01:23|apo|XavierGr: Hehe
22:01:32linuxstb_(and not in Rockbox for the ipods yet either)
22:01:52|apo|After using rockbox for two days I've never started the original apple firmware again :)
22:02:02XavierGrI am afraid that if my iriver units brake, I will have to buy an iPod :p
22:02:17XavierGrapo: that's the spirit
22:02:22Mikachui accidentally put a plastic card in the same pocket as my nano, now it has scratches all over
22:02:37DoubleThink2so... would I install IPL or rockbox first? (which way is easier?)
22:02:45DoubleThink2.... the card or the nano?
22:02:49Mikachui know it scratches easily, but i didn't expect a completely smooth surface to do it
22:02:53|apo|My iPod has lotsa scratches, too... and dust under the cover of the screen
22:03:02|apo|But now I have voice ^_^
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22:03:47Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Mine picked up scratches because apparently the fabric of my pockets was too abrasive. Well, scuffs.
22:04:02apo`Paul_The_Nerd: Same here
22:04:05PaulJamDoubleThink2: afaik if you install ipodlinux with the loader2 you can just drop the rockbox files on the fat32 partition and it will recognize rockbox
22:04:07Paul_The_NerdDoubleThink2: Honestly, it's easiest to install IPL first, if you use Loader 2.
22:04:24DoubleThink2ok thanks
22:04:31Mikachuit's like the screen is made of pvc plastic
22:05:32DoubleThink2is Podzilla 2 usable yet?
22:05:45DoubleThink2as in.... better than normal podzilla?
22:05:55apo`By the way, there's no way of getting files on my iPod without the original firmware, right?
22:05:56PaulJamthat's what i lihe about the h300, the device has scratches all over it, but the screen hasn't a single scratch.
22:06:21apo`Or can I safely delete the iPod_control/ folder?
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22:08:04Paul_The_NerdDoubleThink2: it's better to ask about Podzilla in the iPodLinux channel, as it has nothing to do with this project.
22:08:37Paul_The_Nerdapo`: You can safely delete iPod Control. It's used for storing songs and stuff by iTunes, but isn't necessary for the Apple firmware to function (at least not on my iPod), and anyway, the Disk Mode we use is in flash.
22:08:47DoubleThink2ok =(.... but then I will be told to go to the site and check
22:08:52apo`Good, thanks :D
22:09:31Paul_The_NerdDoubleThink2: Well, we can't be responsible for them providing unfriendly, but a lot of people here don't even use iPL, and support / info questions should be asked in the proper place. :)
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22:09:58apo`I had iPL before... didn't like it ^^;
22:10:10DoubleThink2fair enough =(
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22:11:35DoubleThink2do I need to do any of the rockbox boot loader stuff if I install Loader2?
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22:15:02DoubleThink2so... just copy the 2g mini files from the site into the main folder and that's it?
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22:16:08DoubleThink2sounds simple enough
22:16:19DoubleThink2Unlike IPL ...grr...
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22:22:46DoubleThink2rockbox looks swazzt =)
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22:25:39apo`Did you just invent that word?
22:25:51apo`I don't know it, leo doesn't know it, and even urbandictionary doesn't :P
22:26:17XavierGrdo you mean chessy?
22:26:18DoubleThink2oh right..... sometimes I forget the words I use don't exist....
22:26:29Mikachumaybe a mix of sweet and snazzy
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22:27:19DoubleThink2I don't remember how it started but... We use it in our group...
22:27:25apo`36 folders left :D
22:27:35apo`Time for a break
22:27:36DoubleThink273 folders for me :D
22:27:46apo`You're also voicing your albums? O_o
22:27:47DoubleThink2what are you folders doing? O_o
22:28:03apo`Creating li'l voice clips for every folder on my iPod
22:28:06DoubleThink2we both manage to O_o at the same time
22:28:16DoubleThink2and nuh I am not doing that
22:28:45DoubleThink2I didn't think we were doing the same thing.... but I have my MP3s copying onto my iPod
22:28:53DoubleThink2and I have 73 folders left
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22:29:32DoubleThink2What is the voice thing anyway?
22:30:28Mikachureading the names of menu entries out loud in your headphones when you select them
22:30:31Mikachuso you don't have to look
22:31:05DoubleThink2it has a speech engine?
22:31:16XavierGrreminds me that I have to send a kind mail to loquendo to ask if we can host some voice files in the wiki
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22:31:28Mikachuno, the voice clips are just normal audio files
22:31:44DoubleThink2oh =(
22:32:04DoubleThink2I want a speech engine =(
22:32:41kerbIs there any way to prevent tagcache from recursing some directories?
22:32:47kerbOr only caching one directory
22:32:56XavierGrI think no
22:33:28kerbI have one directory with properly tagged music, and one that has utter garbage tags and I can't really be bothered to fix the other, but it is really annoying when browsing by artist etc
22:33:46XavierGrtime to fix it then :p
22:34:13XavierGrI am in that situation too. Step by step I fix one folder every day
22:34:22DoubleThink2with rockbox... I can just copy the mp3s on the iPod without the iTunes stuff?
22:34:29linuxstb_kerb: You're not the first person to say that - disabling tagcache in certain directories is a common request, and I'm sure it will happen.
22:34:36kerbI'd rather that directory not be counted at all since it is full of crappy music that people at parties are usually glad that I have
22:34:39kerbBut I don't want it :)
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22:37:30Harrywhere can i get the rockbox emu for cpu
22:37:34Harryto test out wps
22:37:55Paul_The_Nerdkerb: For a temporary solution: Disable auto-update, copy the files off, create the tagcache, copy the files back on.
22:38:13Paul_The_NerdHarry: There are no emulators. The UI simulators can be compiled from the source though.
22:38:34Harrycan u complie a ui emu fo r me
22:38:40apo`[22:32:04] <DoubleThink2> I want a speech engine =( < There's a tool that can record the stuff MS Sam says and put it onto your iPod
22:38:45Paul_The_NerdBear in mind, the ones at are compiled from official sources, so won't let you use features like Album Art.
22:38:51Harryty linux
22:38:53apo`Lemme just search for it.
22:39:19apo` <−−
22:40:14apo`Pretty useful, but only if you have mainly English bands and are content with MS's crappy speech engine :P
22:40:19DoubleThink2I am on linux though
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22:41:26DoubleThink2btw.... can an iPod which has the sad ipod icon come up when it tries to load be fixed by repartitioning and puttin on a new MBR and FW?
22:42:00DoubleThink2(my friend's iPod has that and she plans to sending it to apple and be ripped off..... wondering if I could fix it for her instead)
22:42:11Paul_The_NerdIt depends on *why* the sad ipod icon is there.
22:42:25DoubleThink2yeah.... that.. she doesn't know....
22:42:36DoubleThink2wouldn't work if the hd is damaged right?
22:42:41Mikachua sad face isn't the best debugging information
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22:42:51Mikachutry running the diagnostics
22:43:01Mikachuis it select+left?
22:43:11DoubleThink2Yeah I told her to... she said she didn't remember what is said but it seemed fine
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22:43:34DoubleThink2I will see her on Monday so I guess I can check properly
22:43:40Paul_The_NerdThat's where I'd start.
22:43:55Paul_The_NerdCan it get into hardware/emergency disk mode?
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22:44:21Paul_The_NerdThen there's at least a decent chance you can fix it with that, I'd say.
22:44:36DoubleThink2I told her to do that and use anapod reinitializer... and it worked... then she tried putting songs on it and it died again
22:44:47DoubleThink2so.... that seems like a messed up hd
22:45:05DoubleThink2or she is bad at phrasing what actually happened..... so yeah... Monday it is then....
22:47:01DoubleThink2which sounds most natural... Microsoft SAPI5, IBM ViaVoice, or AT&T?
22:48:01apo`Try? :P
22:48:24DoubleThink2and.... where do the voice files go?
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22:48:52DoubleThink2nvrm... I'll check the wiki..... ah ok
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22:49:17Paul_The_NerdAny of the voices older than like, was it March or April '06, probably won't work.
22:50:16DoubleThink2oh.... these are september 05 I think... O_o
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22:55:32amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Regarding the forum notification email which I received twice and others didn't receive at all - the mail mentions an option to select whether to receive such notifications, but I can't find this option in our forum settings...
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22:57:05Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I can't find anything relating to it either...
22:57:23Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I searched through the admin settings and everything. What was the notification regarding again?
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22:57:42amiconnRight now I can't look up my received mails
22:58:01amiconnDifferent machine inacessible from here
22:58:13Paul_The_NerdAh, okay
22:58:31Paul_The_NerdIt may be something to go to Jeff about.
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23:06:04DoubleThink2oh btw.... is there a simple way to do the partitioning of the ipod stuff through linux?
23:06:33DoubleThink2*through windows
23:06:38DoubleThink2my bad
23:08:45linuxstb_In Windows, your only option is the IPL GUI installer.
23:09:35DoubleThink2but... if the ipod was in the same state as mine was before..... then it is only fixable through mac or linux?
23:11:23linuxstb_I don't know. Maybe you can fix it in Windows, but I only know how to do it from Linux (the method I explained to you).
23:11:58amiconnShouldn't the ipod updater fix any partition problems?
23:12:13DoubleThink2the ipod updater didn't recognise the iPod at all
23:12:18Paul_The_NerdThe iPod Updater's unreliable.
23:12:33Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Wouldn't the method you explained work with iPodPatcher instead of DD?
23:12:49DoubleThink2but you can't partition with ipodpatcher though
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23:13:07linuxstb_You would still need dd for the MBR.
23:13:11amiconnYou should also be able to partition it in windows. The only thing you can't do via straightforward gui tools is setting th epartition type of the first partition to zero
23:13:15Paul_The_NerdWell, I found a DD for windows.
23:13:39Paul_The_NerdI never quite managed to use it right, but that could've just been me not using it right.
23:13:45DoubleThink2I tried to partition it using partitionmagic... didn't recognise it =(
23:14:04DoubleThink2oh well.... good thing I installed linux a few days before my iPod died =D
23:14:10amiconnWindows disk management should do
23:14:15linuxstb_Someone should probably add MBR reading/writing to ipodpatcher.
23:14:20S0appartitionmagic appears to write funky (working) nonstandard MBRs
23:14:46S0apI've had problems with PM and *nix before
23:15:08DoubleThink2PM? nix? O_o
23:15:18DoubleThink2oh right..... partitionmagic?
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23:15:22linuxstb_The "ipodservice.exe" or whatever it's called also seems to cause problems.
23:15:26RedNifreHi there
23:15:42linuxstb_(for people with itunes installed)
23:16:37S0ap *nix = Linux / Unix / BSD
23:16:46S0apand all other clones
23:16:56DoubleThink2ah ok
23:17:17RedNifreI just got a tiny question which seems to be answered by the FAQ, but I doubt it. :) You wrote that Rockbox is planned to work on EVERY iPod. While I like the idea of having a powerful iPod Shuffle with that blind-Voice-Interface, I just wondered if you just forgot to exclude the shuffle from the list. So, my question is: might rockbox work on a shuffle, ever?
23:17:58DoubleThink2I just got PM to convert my old windows partition where I had all my important stuff backed up to FAT so I could access it from windows...... having the great luck that I have it killed the partition so I lost a lot of hard work >_<
23:18:15linuxstb_RedNifre: Shuffle support is very unlikely.
23:18:16DoubleThink2hmm.... I like his idea....
23:18:30Paul_The_NerdRedNifre: The Shuffle uses a different core entirely, so it's unlikely. Where do we have planned support for all iPods?
23:19:39RedNifreI think I just read it in the iPod-FAQ. Maybe I got it wrong (english is not my first language)
23:20:10RedNifreThe intention is to eventually support all iPods past and present, but currently Rockbox doesn't work at all on any other iPods.
23:20:12Paul_The_NerdNo... it does say all iPods.
23:20:14*Paul_The_Nerd goes to fix it.
23:20:21S0apDoubleThink2 - to FAT16? 32? and from what?
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23:20:26Paul_The_NerdOr... someone is already ahead of me
23:20:48S0aphmm, I've done that one before. Shitty
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23:21:48RedNifreIt might be extremely cool to have a complex device that doesn't employ a screen. I don't know of ANY devices, that offer complex functionality, while only having an audio interface
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23:22:43DoubleThink2Doesn't seem like there is much stuff you can do without a screen.
23:23:24RedNifreI think you can do a lot without a screen.
23:23:35DoubleThink2ooh... old text based games
23:23:43DoubleThink2that would be great actually
23:23:57S0apcan't do much w/o a screen unless you have a serial port to telnet in through! :)
23:24:11RedNifreLike "Choose Playliste" now you press forward "classic" - forward - "techno" - centerbutton - now the techno-playlist starts.
23:24:42RedNifreI don't own any iPod, but I assume the iPod Shuffle doesn't allow playlist selection.
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23:25:10Paul_The_NerdYou have A playlist, I understand.
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23:25:16Paul_The_NerdWhich you can play either sequentially or shuffled.
23:25:28RedNifreIf it is impossible to integrate voice synthesis it might be enought to just have "playlist 1", "playlist 2" or just "1", "2" etc.
23:25:57DoubleThink2aren't the IPL people trying to port festival speeh engine on it?
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23:26:32RedNifre.oO( Listening to .txt-files ;-)
23:26:43matthewmy .rockbox folder is gone wth
23:27:15matthewcan sumbody help =p
23:27:33Paul_The_NerdWell, if it's actually been deleted, why not just copy another one over?
23:27:38Lokutosls -la ;)
23:28:04matthewits not deleted
23:28:06matthewits in there :p
23:28:25matthewi just hit show all files and the folder shows up again but i never changed it to show supported files so idk
23:28:32RedNifreHm, unfortunately I have some work to do. Bye!
23:28:39Paul_The_NerdIt defaults to "supported"
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23:29:00matthewbut it needs to be set to all to see the .rockbox folder right?
23:29:31matthewok so mine isnt fubared'
23:29:47matthewi loaded a font and it froze and had to reset :p
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23:29:53matthewand then this happened so yah i was scared
23:31:12Lokutosare there any devs in here?
23:32:22Lokutosis there any work going on to put the cop on ipod to use?
23:32:42matthewwhy does doom say missing base wad
23:32:55DoubleThink2because you don't have the *.wad file there?
23:32:57linuxstb_Lokutos: Not yet, no.
23:33:03DoubleThink2and what's the cop? O_o
23:33:32Lokutosif not i'd like to help getting that done. however, i don't know where to start.. i took a quick look at the linux port and they seem to use it as a dma engine to feed the fifo
23:33:36linuxstb_The ipod's second CPU (co-processor)
23:34:07Paul_The_Nerdmatthew: The PluginDoom page in the wiki tells what files you need to get doom working, and where to put 'em.
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23:35:03linuxstb_At the moment, Rockbox is in feature freeze to release 3.0 (which isn't an ipod release). After that, the focus will still be on getting the basics working - i.e. optimising the existing code so it runs efficiently on a single CPU.
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23:35:40Lokutoshmm.. i thought 3.0 were an ipod rls
23:35:45Galoisfeature freeze or not, I think preliminary investigations into the second cpu are worth doing
23:36:04Paul_The_NerdGalois: Preliminary investigations mean people doing work other than toward the release...
23:36:05linuxstb_No, we don't think the ipod port is ready for a release yet.
23:36:07Yakuzzado anyone know those cheap mp3 video players ?
23:36:31Galoispaul_the_nerd: this is the standard open source conundrum. I say if the person wouldn't have worked on rockbox otherwise, then let them do it.
23:36:34DoubleThink2mp3 video? O_o
23:36:41Lokutosalso geting the second cpu to work doesn't affect single-core optimisations
23:36:43sharkforcepaul can i have a link :p
23:37:09Paul_The_NerdGalois: Yeah, and I'm fine with that. But the first step should be to encourage them to work toward the release, at least, rather than making no attempt in that direction. :-P
23:37:21Paul_The_Nerdsharkforce: I told you the specific name of the page in the wiki... type it into the Go To box.
23:37:27linuxstb_Lokutos: I'm just saying it's not an area of interest (for me at least).
23:37:48linuxstb_But I don't want to discourage you from working on it.
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23:38:17Yakuzzaare there common chipsets in those cheap players ?
23:38:29sharkforcei searched that and it diddnt find anything
23:38:35Paul_The_NerdYakuzza: It's possible. I don't think people have investigated.
23:38:43sharkforceThe PluginDoom
23:38:55Paul_The_Nerdsharkforce: If you just type PluginDoom in the search OR goto box, you'll get the right thing
23:39:07sharkforceyah i got it
23:39:16Paul_The_NerdSo, what did you do wrong the first time?
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23:42:58linuxstb_Lokutos: What are you thinking of using the COP for?
23:45:28linuxstb_The problem with that is the increased power consumption. Currently Rockbox just puts the COP to sleep and doesn't use it for anything.
23:46:11Lokutoswell it would put it self to sleep when done (until woken up to decode the next chunk)
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23:46:28Galoisif it prevents the cpu from having to boost speed, then it might result in net power savings
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23:47:02Paul_The_NerdThe question is if both at 35 is less drain than one at 70.
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23:47:39LokutosPaul_The_Nerd: i think this is true. power consumtion is non-linear with frequency
23:48:28amiconnYes and no
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23:48:54Lokutosalso as i said both cpus can put semselfs to sleep when there is no work
23:49:01amiconnCPU power consumption increases linear with CPU clock as long as the core voltage is constant, _but_
23:49:25amiconnit is possible to run the core at a lower voltage when the clock is low
23:49:50amiconnAt least the PP5022 supports variable core voltage, but we don't know how to control that (yet)
23:49:55amiconnIt's not automatic
23:51:10Lokutoshmm.. i have no experience in that field, but i was under the impression that power consumtion rises exponentially with core clock at the same core voltage.
23:51:38linuxstb_amiconn: So you're saying that with our current knowledge, 2*35Mhz will consume the same power as 1*70MHz?
23:52:14amiconnI'm not sure. Maybe 2*35MHz will still save a tiny bit
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23:52:48Galoisisn't the lower limit 30MHz?
23:52:53amiconnA sleeping core will still consume a tiny bit of power. The question is how much
23:53:22linuxstb_Galois: The lower limit is something silly like 15KHz.
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23:53:38amiconnGalois: Nope. The PP chips allow clocks from 32kHz up to 80/90/100MHz
23:54:29amiconnThe PLL generating those clocks has some limitations; we can set the clock in 3MHz steps based on what we know so far
23:55:12amiconnI guess there's a way to switch to another xtal, offering clocks in the kHz range, for sleep mode
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