| 00:00:10 | linuxstb_ | I've just tried both 3.4.2 and 3.4.4 and they both worked. |
| 00:00:18 | S0ap | and bets on how long my K6III-450 will take to build rockbox w/Cygwin? |
| 00:00:23 | S0ap | *any |
| 00:01:45 | carini | linuxstb_: Okay, thanks for checking. I'll have to roll back to 3.4.4 then. The wiki page suggests 3.4.6, so that's what I was using. |
| 00:05:03 | linuxstb_ | It would be useful if someone else with 3.4.6 could double-check though... amiconn? |
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| 00:13:54 | amiconn | ugh... logf... th edebug feature I almost never use |
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| 00:22:40 | PaulJam | linuxstb_: with m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.5 i get the error too. |
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| 00:28:24 | sharpe | goodday everyone. |
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| 00:31:19 | carini | linuxstb_: Okay, thanks for checking. I'll have to roll back to 3.4.4 then. The wiki page suggests 3.4.6, so that's what I was using. |
| 00:31:22 | carini | Oops |
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| 01:07:48 | S0ap | how do I roll back to m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 ? |
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| 01:09:00 | linuxstb | How did you install your current version? |
| 01:09:39 | * | amiconn wonders about the odd way of fixing this pb |
| 01:10:11 | S0ap | through the Cygwin setup.exe |
| 01:11:02 | S0ap | do I need to change view from Current to Previous, and desellect everything _but_ m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4, so that only that package gets an older version installed? |
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| 01:13:59 | linuxstb | amiconn: What do you mean? |
| 01:14:39 | amiconn | Downgrading gcc instead of fixing the problem... |
| 01:15:21 | carini | S0ap: I don't think 3.4.4 is available through Cygwin setup |
| 01:15:48 | S0ap | so I should chase it down (assuming I had the same problem) and drop it in myself? |
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| 01:16:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree. |
| 01:16:43 | * | amiconn wonders where cygwin's 'cc1.exe' has vanished :/ |
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| 01:26:42 | Amien | ..hello .,. is it possible to stop the lines from scrolling? i'm talking about the idtags that will show then mp3 is plsying |
| 01:26:44 | Amien | a |
| 01:27:09 | midkay | altogether? |
| 01:27:22 | midkay | remove the %s tag before the line inside the WPS. |
| 01:28:38 | Amien | tnx |
| 01:29:48 | amiconn | hrrmpf |
| 01:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | hrmpf? |
| 01:31:12 | petur | no, hrrmpf |
| 01:31:17 | amiconn | "gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory" |
| 01:31:46 | amiconn | I already reinstalled the gcc packages, no change... |
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| 01:32:58 | Amien | you sure its %s .. i removed them all .. but still moving |
| 01:36:49 | Amien | nm |
| 01:36:54 | carini | amiconn: Is this the gcc package or one of the cross-compilers? |
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| 01:37:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: It probably won't help you, but my Cygwin cc1.exe is here: /lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/cc1.exe and for the cross-compiler here: /opt/arm/libexec/gcc/arm-elf/3.4.4/cc1.exe |
| 01:37:08 | amiconn | Native gcc (cygwin) |
| 01:37:23 | linuxstb | (as you can tell, I haven't used it for a while...) |
| 01:37:46 | amiconn | My cc1.exe is in the same place, but gcc.exe doesn't find it... |
| 01:38:33 | carini | Do you have it at /usr/lib/...? |
| 01:39:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: So your gcc.exe is in /bin ? |
| 01:39:29 | amiconn | No, it's in /usr/bin |
| 01:40:10 | linuxstb | That's odd then. |
| 01:40:34 | linuxstb | I mean your installation is odd. |
| 01:40:44 | carini | It should be in both places |
| 01:40:56 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 01:41:20 | carini | c:\cygwin is mounted at /, gcc lives in c:\cygwin\bin, but c:\cygwin\bin is also mounted as /usr/bin |
| 01:41:46 | amiconn | Not here |
| 01:42:13 | carini | amiconn: What does gcc −−print-search-dirs say? It is looking at /usr/lib... or /lib...? |
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| 01:43:37 | * | petur confirms what carini said, the files are in /bin and /usr/bin here |
| 01:44:14 | psycho_maniac | anybody notice that the battery does not show up on the wps now? or did the code recently change for battery display? |
| 01:44:33 | amiconn | Huh? Now _this_ is odd: |
| 01:44:40 | amiconn | $ which gcc |
| 01:44:40 | amiconn | /usr/bin/gcc |
| 01:45:18 | petur | same result here |
| 01:45:27 | amiconn | But if I check C:\cygwin\usr\bin , it's empty |
| 01:45:43 | amiconn | ..in windows explorer, but not when doing ls -l /usr/bin |
| 01:45:47 | petur | it is empty here too |
| 01:46:04 | carini | amiconn: Right. It comes from the cygwin mount table. |
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| 01:46:18 | carini | Type "mount" |
| 01:46:23 | pixelma | psycho_maniac: which wps are you talking about? |
| 01:46:38 | amiconn | ugh |
| 01:46:43 | psycho_maniac | engineer2.wps |
| 01:46:50 | * | amiconn wonders why this is, and since when |
| 01:47:08 | amiconn | Iirc this used to be different |
| 01:47:53 | carini | Does "ls -l /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/cc1.exe" show anything? |
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| 01:48:45 | * | amiconn will try the standard method for windows problems - reboot |
| 01:48:47 | amiconn | brb |
| 01:48:48 | | Part amiconn |
| 01:48:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: Maybe it's just your path - is /usr/bin before /bin? |
| 01:48:58 | linuxstb | Ah... |
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| 01:51:05 | petur | how typical, blame cygwin troubles on windows... |
| 01:51:26 | sharpe | well... in some cases they're true. |
| 01:51:30 | linuxstb | :) |
| 01:51:45 | * | linuxstb is happy he never got addicted to Windows. |
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| 01:52:14 | sharpe | what would you consider addicted to windows being? |
| 01:52:34 | psycho_maniac | ok redownloaded the wps from the wiki and now its really screwed up. im trying a new new cvs build see if that fixes it |
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| 01:52:46 | linuxstb | sharpe: Being reliant on Windows apps. I've never used them, so don't miss them. |
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| 01:53:05 | sharpe | linuxstb: :-D |
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| 01:53:53 | sharpe | but when windows is your only choice due to hardware and software compatibilities, you're a bit stuck with it. like me. |
| 01:54:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: Any luck? |
| 01:55:00 | amiconn | nope |
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| 01:55:05 | petur | I grew up with it. Tried to switch to linux several times and got hit by unsupported hardware everytime. Just gave up ;) |
| 01:55:17 | Mikachu | buy supported hardware |
| 01:55:21 | petur | :p |
| 01:55:30 | linuxstb | I'm too old then... I was using Linux around the time Windows 3.1 was around. |
| 01:55:51 | * | petur remembers using dos 3.2 |
| 01:55:55 | Mikachu | i switched after reinstalling w2k and wxp 4 times |
| 01:57:45 | S0ap | I plan on switching after I get a faster machine. I can't run a decent desktop enviroment on my 450, lord knows I've tried. |
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| 01:58:24 | RaeNye | Aloha |
| 01:59:06 | sharpe | Gutentag. |
| 01:59:15 | RaeNye | jhmikes: I think something's wrong with the LCD shutdown code. I've just had a almost-brick state. |
| 01:59:24 | petur | I'll probably switch to linux when w2k becomes unsupported by MS, by then I will have bought a new pda that doesn't run CE |
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| 02:00:26 | BloodySorcerer | RaeNye, LCD shutdown on what? |
| 02:00:26 | BloodySorcerer | x5? |
| 02:00:35 | RaeNye | Anybody else has experienced excessive backlight flicker on X5? |
| 02:00:38 | RaeNye | (Yes) |
| 02:00:41 | BloodySorcerer | i haven't |
| 02:00:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is an almost-brick state? |
| 02:00:48 | BloodySorcerer | i've got the LCD shutdown patch in |
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| 02:01:00 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: like not-yet-dried concrete? |
| 02:01:02 | RaeNye | Me too. Everything was fine for a few days; |
| 02:01:06 | carini | amiconn: Does "ls -l /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/cc1.exe" show anything? |
| 02:01:23 | psycho_maniac | ok just updated to recent cvs build but still no battery display for engeneer2.wps but other themes show the battery. this is on a h120 |
| 02:01:54 | RaeNye | today I left my DAP for ~15 minutes, paused, so the idle timeout turned it off |
| 02:02:01 | BloodySorcerer | the new builds have done so much for battery life with the OTG chip sleep and the LCD off so far |
| 02:02:07 | BloodySorcerer | i'd test but im afraid :o |
| 02:02:18 | amiconn | carini: yes |
| 02:02:35 | carini | Is the file executable? |
| 02:02:55 | RaeNye | then when I turned it on again, it went off during the boot process (battery is fully charged, so that's not the problem) |
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| 02:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Is engineer2 supposed to have a battery display? |
| 02:03:05 | amiconn | carini: yes |
| 02:03:11 | amiconn | rxwr-x−−- |
| 02:03:50 | Mikachu | why 750 instead of 755? |
| 02:04:00 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: yes. ive been using it since it was made |
| 02:04:12 | RaeNye | and only intermittenly responded by flicking backlight. |
| 02:04:18 | carini | amiconn: Can you run "/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/cc1.exe −−version"? |
| 02:04:21 | psycho_maniac | holy crap ! just a moment |
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| 02:04:44 | amiconn | yepp |
| 02:05:12 | carini | And "gcc −−print-search-dirs" includes /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4? |
| 02:05:12 | RaeNye | I tried reset, holding power button, connecting AC/USB, everything (including taking it apart) |
| 02:06:06 | amiconn | huh? Now it gets even more strange... |
| 02:06:26 | RaeNye | After 30 mins I got the backlight constantly flickering, then after some more bit banging (lit.) I got to the charging screen |
| 02:06:37 | amiconn | I tried compiling a single .c file - this works, while 'make'ing a sim doesn't work... |
| 02:06:57 | RaeNye | Then I booted OF to discover everything's back except the RTC was reset. |
| 02:07:08 | psycho_maniac | ok still dosnt show up |
| 02:07:19 | pixelma | psycho_maniac: did you check if the bitmaps are in their engineer2 folder? |
| 02:07:28 | * | amiconn scratches head |
| 02:07:43 | RaeNye | The OTG chip sleep is great (also CVS...) but I think I'll give up the LCD shutdown thingy. |
| 02:07:53 | BloodySorcerer | that sounds scary. |
| 02:07:54 | psycho_maniac | it should be its in the daly and cvs builds but ill check |
| 02:07:55 | BloodySorcerer | very scary. |
| 02:08:03 | BloodySorcerer | hmm, maybe i should give it up too |
| 02:08:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you say you didn't have gcc.exe in /bin/ ? |
| 02:08:14 | BloodySorcerer | i just patched it in last night |
| 02:08:16 | RaeNye | Obviously there's something wrong going with RB shutdown on X5 |
| 02:08:33 | BloodySorcerer | didnt the LCD patch also do soemthing to shutdown? |
| 02:08:38 | BloodySorcerer | "graceful shutdown" or whatever? |
| 02:08:41 | RaeNye | That not my worst brick exprience with the X5, BTW |
| 02:09:05 | psycho_maniac | pixlma: yes they are in the wps engineer2 folder |
| 02:09:14 | RaeNye | the patch performs LCD off sequence on backlight off and on device shutdown |
| 02:09:16 | amiconn | 01.39.10 # <linuxstb> amiconn: So your gcc.exe is in /bin ? |
| 02:09:17 | amiconn | 01.39.29 # <amiconn> No, it's in /usr/bin |
| 02:09:37 | BloodySorcerer | oh |
| 02:09:56 | linuxstb | I know you said that, but it's not in /bin as well? (following what carini said about cygwin mounting them both in the same place) |
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| 02:11:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: And you've checked the wps file itself to make sure that somehow it didn't get changed? Like, opened it up in a text editor and make sure it's loading the right .bmps and everything? |
| 02:11:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, yes |
| 02:11:22 | RaeNye | jhmikes said himself that the backlight flickers for some unknown reason on shutdown (and I've got intermittent white-screens) so this might not be related to the LCD patch directly, but I've had it :( |
| 02:11:52 | RaeNye | BTW, do you have a remote for the X5? |
| 02:12:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: In which case, do both /usr/bin/gcc.exe and /bin/gcc.exe work from the command-line? My only thought is that maybe one works, and one doesn't. |
| 02:12:19 | psycho_maniac | yes |
| 02:12:36 | BloodySorcerer | rae: nope |
| 02:12:56 | amiconn | Both do work... |
| 02:13:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: And your build is completely unpatched? |
| 02:13:13 | psycho_maniac | yes |
| 02:13:13 | RaeNye | I want someone to test my remote LCD code, as I don't have one as well |
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| 02:13:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: So basically, only that one WPS doesn't show in-wps battery icons, and this just happened as of when? |
| 02:13:58 | psycho_maniac | im going to try an older build see if same thing happens |
| 02:14:14 | amiconn | That is, both do work if I call them manually for a single C file |
| 02:14:24 | BloodySorcerer | i wonder what it'd take to get doom to work properly on the X5 port |
| 02:14:30 | Mikachu | what errors do you get from make? |
| 02:14:32 | BloodySorcerer | as it does work in screwed up ways |
| 02:14:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that's what I was wondering. |
| 02:15:27 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: just as of today. i tried a cvs build of yesterday or 2 days ago then tried one just a few mins ago. it still dosnt show up. ok now get this............... |
| 02:15:53 | RaeNye | bs: it worked once |
| 02:15:57 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
| 02:16:10 | BloodySorcerer | if you load metronome then doom and you have doom.rock from pre-april 17 (i do) it works |
| 02:16:19 | BloodySorcerer | it just doesn't function in any *normal* way |
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| 02:16:58 | RaeNye | I prefer to see more 'light' games, such as sudoku, crosswords, nonograms, etc. |
| 02:17:22 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
| 02:17:23 | RaeNye | Doom ought to get a fullscreen :) |
| 02:17:30 | BloodySorcerer | doom is murder on the thumb and joystick |
| 02:17:39 | BloodySorcerer | and generally really awkward :) |
| 02:17:53 | psycho_maniac | its been sitting here playing songs for awhile now. i didnt show the battery for awhile now the battery is showing. i restarted it and the battery disappeared now it reappeared and now disappeared again. what is this patch? Patch #5630 by Andreas Mattsson - Minimize WPS subline swap time shift? |
| 02:17:59 | RaeNye | but you can brag about having doom at your pocket ;) |
| 02:18:12 | BloodySorcerer | yep |
| 02:18:17 | BloodySorcerer | only reason i ever play it :) |
| 02:18:22 | linuxstb | BloodySorcerer: My guess would be that it's related to the user timer in some way. Metronome uses it, and so does Doom. Not many (if any) other plugins do. |
| 02:18:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: That patch has nothing to do with your problem. It has to do with alternating sublines in WPS |
| 02:18:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Which battery icon was showing when it was showing? |
| 02:18:45 | RaeNye | actually I get more appreciation by showing bubbles :-) |
| 02:18:52 | BloodySorcerer | hahaha |
| 02:19:13 | BloodySorcerer | school is full of ipod tools anyways |
| 02:19:19 | BloodySorcerer | actually, most everybody i know is an ipod tool... |
| 02:19:56 | RaeNye | couldn't live with ID3-only browsing |
| 02:20:05 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: full battery. i put charger in and it showed 3/4 bars with flashing plugin thing (supposed to happen) then went to folder screen and back to wps and now battery disappeared again |
| 02:20:07 | BloodySorcerer | i loathe ID3 browsing |
| 02:20:11 | BloodySorcerer | makes everything so messy |
| 02:21:10 | RaeNye | True. Either you sell your soul for having perfect tags or you don't find 80% of your songs |
| 02:21:23 | BloodySorcerer | yep |
| 02:21:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: My question is: Is it showing the 3/4, but not the full? |
| 02:21:38 | BloodySorcerer | and it makes mixed browsing impossible |
| 02:21:44 | BloodySorcerer | like some stuff by artist but other by genre or album |
| 02:21:53 | BloodySorcerer | 'cause classical music should never be sorted by artist. |
| 02:22:03 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: no it is showing 3 out of the 4 bars for battery charge sorry for confusion |
| 02:22:16 | linuxstb | BloodySorcerer: If you look in plugins/doom/i_timer.c, you'll see the code using the user timer. It's not used in the UI Simulator, so you could test by adding the line "#define SIMULATOR" near the top of i_timer.c (after all the other .h files have been included), and that will use the alternative code. |
| 02:22:19 | RaeNye | I think the RB way (tagcache) actually gets it OK |
| 02:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: You missed my meaning. You said sometimes the icon shows in WPS and sometimes it doesn't. Is it possible that it won't show the full battery icon, but will the 3/4? |
| 02:23:18 | RaeNye | maybe it's time I learn to use logf(). Any one-line advices? |
| 02:23:22 | psycho_maniac | it was showing the 4 bars till i put in the charger then it showed 3 |
| 02:23:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the wps? |
| 02:23:41 | psycho_maniac | yes |
| 02:23:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | But when the charger's in, it should show a charging icon. |
| 02:24:09 | BloodySorcerer | patch -R removes a patch, right? |
| 02:24:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It sounds like the bitmaps are wrong, or misnamed. |
| 02:24:28 | RaeNye | removes, as in, apply the backward patch |
| 02:24:31 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: ok i tried the rockbox-h120-20060616 build and now it shows 4 bars and is showing al the time |
| 02:24:35 | BloodySorcerer | k |
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| 02:25:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: The question is: when you installed the old build, did you overwrite the WPS directory or not? |
| 02:27:34 | RaeNye | maybe it's time I learn to use logf(). Any two-line advices? |
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| 02:30:24 | RaeNye | maybe it's not the time I learn to use logf(). |
| 02:30:36 | RaeNye | Bye. |
| 02:30:56 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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| 02:31:42 | * | linuxstb goes to sleep. Goodnight all. |
| 02:32:22 | Mikachu | nite |
| 02:32:54 | BloodySorcerer | night |
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| 02:40:31 | psycho_maniac | sorry got disconnected |
| 02:40:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: The question is: when you installed the old build, did you overwrite the WPS directory or not? |
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| 02:42:13 | buzzard | hi guys |
| 02:42:15 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: yes. everything |
| 02:42:19 | buzzard | i have a question |
| 02:42:27 | buzzard | where do i place a db file |
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| 02:43:09 | buzzard | i have a thumbs bd file from the halo theme and i don't know where to place it |
| 02:43:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Which means we don't know if it was the wps itself that was the problem, or the build, since you're using different versions of both. |
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| 02:43:42 | buzzard | well i put the julius build on my ipod |
| 02:43:55 | buzzard | becasue thats the only build you can use to put this teme in |
| 02:44:14 | psycho_maniac | well i tried the wps itself from the wiki and that realy screwed it up . shall i try another build? then when i get to the most recent one that still works extract that wps to the new build? |
| 02:45:22 | buzzard | ok this is the thing i can see the actull halo wps but when i play music the screen looks wierd like the theme is not complete |
| 02:45:36 | buzzard | so i don't know why this is |
| 02:45:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Well, the thing is, as you've said the problem only happens with that one WPS, so try to make another WPS that shows similar problems maybe, so you can figure out what exactly is the part of it that triggers the problem. Or start tinkering with the not-working one. |
| 02:46:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | buzzard: Ask questions about jbuild on the thread for it. |
| 02:46:54 | buzzard | i figure there are people tha could help me here since i go with all my problems here and they get solved in less then a min |
| 02:47:15 | buzzard | and i have had other wps files on my ipod |
| 02:47:19 | buzzard | they all work great |
| 02:47:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | So ask in the thread you got the halo wps from then. |
| 02:47:34 | psycho_maniac | ok ill try but im really horrible at wps's well very very rusty. havnt done one since i found one i really liked |
| 02:47:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | The thing is, both files you are asking about are files that are not provided by us, so it's more likely the creators will have a better idea what causes your problems. |
| 02:48:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Well the thing is, it's really hard to figure out what's wrong without more information. |
| 02:48:21 | buzzard | i can tell you where i put each file |
| 02:48:38 | buzzard | then mabe you will see |
| 02:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | buzzard: I said, ask about it in the threads. |
| 02:48:55 | buzzard | psyco wanted to help |
| 02:48:58 | buzzard | paul |
| 02:49:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | buzzard: He was talking to me, about his own problems. |
| 02:49:16 | buzzard | ohh |
| 02:49:17 | buzzard | i c |
| 02:49:20 | buzzard | ok see ya |
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| 02:53:23 | psycho_maniac | i installed the new cvs build without overwritting the wps folder and anything in there and it still does it |
| 02:55:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the engineer one is the only WPS that has this problem, at all? |
| 02:56:43 | sharpe | what's the problem with the wps again? |
| 02:56:45 | psycho_maniac | im checking |
| 02:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: It sounds like it's showing the wrong bitmaps in a conditional. Or, just not showing them. Not really sure which yet. |
| 02:57:58 | pixelma | btw: the engineer2 wps problem could be related to the subline patch... the battery level info is animated by using sublines (but I don't know) |
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| 02:58:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: And with the same wps and folder, a slightly older build shows it properly, so it's not an issue with the WPS itself, it seems. |
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| 02:58:52 | psycho_maniac | Paul_The_Nerd: the other wps show the battery at 4 bars |
| 02:59:20 | sharpe | hmm... |
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| 03:00:17 | pixelma | what keeps me wondering about this code: it uses time settings for the sublines that I thought would be impossible: 0.25 (I thought it can be set in tenth of seconds only) |
| 03:00:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, didn't realize engineer used the sublines stuff. |
| 03:00:48 | psycho_maniac | so that patch i was asking about could the the issue? |
| 03:01:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 03:01:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or it could be the .25 |
| 03:01:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | As sublines *are* supposed to only be tenths of a second smallest. |
| 03:01:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or it could be a mix of the two. |
| 03:02:09 | sharpe | it may be just ignoring the '5'. |
| 03:02:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd change the .wps to .2 or .3, and see if it fixes the issue it's having, then check the code to see how it handles invalid values. |
| 03:05:28 | psycho_maniac | so change this %ac%t0.25%?bl<|%xdJ|%xdK|%xdL|%xdM>;%ac%t0.25%?bl<%xdI||%xdK|%xdL|%xdM>;%ac%t0.25%?bl<||%xdK|%xdL|%xdM>> to just .2? or .3? |
| 03:07:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try that, yes. |
| 03:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then re-load the WPS |
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| 03:09:13 | psycho_maniac | ok |
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| 03:13:36 | psycho_maniac | still dont work |
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| 03:16:11 | psycho_maniac | should i contact the wps creator? |
| 03:16:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It sounds more like a bug in the patch. |
| 03:16:55 | pixelma | psycho_maniac: have you tried iCatcher - it uses that subline animation too? |
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| 03:18:01 | psycho_maniac | i am trying it right now and shows 4 bars for battery |
| 03:18:12 | psycho_maniac | ok 3 bars now |
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| 03:25:06 | pixelma | but then there's a difference in the code of the two: engineer2 has subline definitions inside conditionals, iCatcher has not... |
| 03:26:55 | pixelma | ...I'm not a coder I can't tell if this has an influence or can be related to the patch |
| 03:29:02 | psycho_maniac | neither can i |
| 03:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you can try moving the subline definitions and see what happens. |
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| 03:34:33 | psycho_maniac | im suprised nobody else has noticed this |
| 03:36:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well maybe not many people use Engineer2 |
| 03:36:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it is a fairly recent bug. |
| 03:36:34 | psycho_maniac | could be. |
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| 04:34:00 | fungame | Hello all. I am trying to set up rock box and I have a quick question. When using an HFS formatted iPod, can you still use disk dump to backup the firmware? (When I format my iPod on my Mac, iTunes picks it up fine, but it only has one partition). Is it even strictly necessary to back it up (isn't the firmware also part of the iPod updater?) |
| 04:34:59 | fungame | I meant when I format it using FAT32 using my Mac, theres only one partition. |
| 04:37:10 | fungame | never mind :-) |
| 04:37:21 | * | fungame will try the FAT32 images. |
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| 04:44:07 | Juxt | hey |
| 04:45:14 | Juxt | i dont see any mention of the gigabeat S - anyone know if this model will be supported by the port that in dev for the F and X models ? |
| 04:47:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really don't hear much about the gigabeat port around here. I think a lot of the work takes place somewhere else. |
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| 04:49:51 | Juxt | i heard there was really only one guy who was working on it... |
| 04:50:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not really sure |
| 04:51:00 | Juxt | i am having a tough time deciding which player to get... leaning towards the cowon x5 at the moment but only because it doesn't look like there will be support for the giga S .... |
| 04:51:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want to be certain of Rockbox support, you *really* should get one that already plays music. |
| 04:51:29 | Juxt | is there a general consensus around he as to which hardware gets the most out of roxbox ? |
| 04:51:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes ports die off in a halfway state anyway. |
| 04:51:59 | Juxt | yeah... that is what is shying me away from the gigabeat line |
| 04:52:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I personally have a soft spot for the H100 series of iRiver players. As for sound quality, the Archoses are actually remarkable. As for what gets the most, I don't really know what to say. I don't know how you mean it. |
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| 04:52:40 | Juxt | that and talk about the zune is making me think i should wait 6 more monhts alltogether |
| 04:53:19 | Juxt | is the H series the one with the horizontal single slide bar |
| 04:53:33 | scorche | those are the H10s |
| 04:53:37 | Juxt | ohh |
| 04:53:57 | scorche | not yet ported |
| 04:54:24 | Juxt | my biggest thing is capacity - ahs to be 60gb, second is quality recording and 3rd/2nd part 2 is suppor for flac/ogg |
| 04:54:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, flac/ogg comes with Rockbox basically, except on Archos. |
| 04:54:56 | scorche | i would go with the H100 series then |
| 04:54:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for 60gb, you're stuck with the X5 or iPod for Rockboxable devices. |
| 04:55:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless you feel like putting in a new HD in the H100 |
| 04:55:25 | Juxt | can the h record ? |
| 04:55:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Digital and Analog |
| 04:55:36 | scorche | yes |
| 04:55:41 | Juxt | nice |
| 04:55:52 | Juxt | i will have to check it out |
| 04:56:09 | scott666_ | wasnt the H120 too small to fit a bigger drive? |
| 04:56:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | The h100 series goes up to 40gb. |
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| 04:56:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The h120 can fit any single platter (up to 30 right now, 40 soon) the H140 any dual platter (60 now, 80 soon) 1.8" drives |
| 04:56:51 | scott666 | yeah |
| 04:56:54 | scott666 | that sounds right |
| 04:57:35 | Juxt | damn... laptop battery is dying - i might dissapear suddenly :) |
| 04:58:00 | goffa | going to ask a stupid question as a prayer... |
| 04:58:09 | scorche | it sounds right because it is =P |
| 04:58:10 | earHertz | laptops really ought to have hand-cranks |
| 04:58:10 | Juxt | heh |
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| 04:58:29 | goffa | is it possible that low battery would cause audio to not to come out of the headphone jack on an h140? |
| 04:59:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does the backlight still come on when you move the stick? |
| 04:59:41 | goffa | yeah |
| 04:59:54 | goffa | i'm thinking the headphone jack somehow got fried |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:27 | goffa | last night i let it run until the battery died... |
| 05:00:41 | goffa | hooked it up to my car with car adapter.. played fine.. |
| 05:01:18 | goffa | shut it off.. went inside for an hour.. started the car... turned on the player.. wouldn't boot first few times.. so i let it charge for 15 mins or so |
| 05:01:24 | goffa | turned it back on.. it came on.. but no audio |
| 05:01:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | =/ |
| 05:01:40 | Juxt | hmm no cnet review for the 100 series ? |
| 05:01:41 | goffa | so i'm thinking its screwed |
| 05:02:01 | goffa | cnet reviews suck anyway |
| 05:02:14 | * | scorche notices formatting inconsistencies in the wiki |
| 05:02:17 | Juxt | nevermind i found it |
| 05:02:17 | * | scorche fixes |
| 05:02:28 | Juxt | yes goffa i agree but it is a decent starting poiny |
| 05:02:35 | goffa | i'm probably going to have to rma.. unless the rockbox crew comes out with a firmware to fix physical probs with the player :) |
| 05:04:09 | goffa | cnet is a so so starting point.. but they tend to take moot points as massive flaws... :) |
| 05:04:38 | goffa | i'll give you a testimonial that the h140 is a good player... |
| 05:05:06 | goffa | oh.. and here you go |
| 05:05:29 | goffa | http://reviews.cnet.com/iRiver_H140_40GB/4505-6490_7-30815409-2.html |
| 05:05:53 | scott666 | i considered getting an H140/340, but it turned out that it was more expensive than a 60GB ipod, and you can pretty much only buy them used |
| 05:06:08 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: do you think that it would make ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart ) more readable, if it was centered in the chart? |
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| 05:06:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Centered in the chart? |
| 05:07:22 | scorche | if all of the text in the chart was centered instead of left-aligned |
| 05:07:22 | goffa | actually.. my h140 was $190 |
| 05:07:25 | earHertz | gah, cbnet's pages are nearly unusable |
| 05:07:28 | goffa | new |
| 05:07:47 | scott666 | when was that? |
| 05:07:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: I like left aligned, personally. But I don't know how others may feel |
| 05:08:00 | goffa | 3 months ago |
| 05:08:02 | goffa | or so |
| 05:08:05 | scott666 | hmm |
| 05:08:14 | goffa | but you can still get them on ebay for about that |
| 05:08:15 | scott666 | i looked...i think about a year ago |
| 05:08:16 | goffa | just at $200 |
| 05:08:20 | scott666 | maybe im just crazy |
| 05:08:26 | goffa | 340 is more expensive |
| 05:08:31 | scott666 | that might be it |
| 05:08:44 | scott666 | im happy with my 60GB ipod anyway |
| 05:08:46 | scott666 | heh |
| 05:08:49 | goffa | 140 doesn't have a color screen |
| 05:08:52 | earHertz | don't center it, but do put some paddin gon it |
| 05:08:56 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: sometimes the borders make things a little harder to read...but i will wait for more input...prolly just fix the ones that are right-aligned and the capitalization in it for now |
| 05:08:58 | goffa | but then i think a 2x2 video is pointless :) |
| 05:09:16 | goffa | i do have an x5l though too |
| 05:09:37 | earHertz | e partially support gminis now???? |
| 05:09:40 | goffa | sweet revered horton heat in dts |
| 05:09:41 | scott666 | those 112x64 videos are where it was it |
| 05:09:43 | scott666 | heh |
| 05:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Maybe a couple spaces of indent? |
| 05:10:05 | scorche | earHertz: as far as i know, you can only align it...you cannot add padding |
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| 05:10:17 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: see above |
| 05:10:28 | earHertz | scorche: just use html instead of wiki markup |
| 05:10:50 | scorche | oh yeah... |
| 05:11:38 | earHertz | scorche: and change ipod to usuable from partial |
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| 05:13:00 | scorche | earHertz: there are only 2 things (for the moment) that i can be...partial, and yes (supported |
| 05:13:14 | earHertz | that's misleading |
| 05:13:29 | earHertz | I interpret partial as "not really working" and I figure others will too |
| 05:13:40 | scorche | well, we could change it to partial, usable, and supported |
| 05:13:54 | scorche | although what defines usable?...sound? |
| 05:14:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | The ability to get through a playlist. |
| 05:14:12 | earHertz | Yeah, basically, indicate that a non-dev cabnn find rockbox usable, ok enough to use |
| 05:14:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would not call the 4G usable right now. |
| 05:14:32 | earHertz | what doesn't the 4g do? |
| 05:14:34 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: any others? |
| 05:14:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: It doesn't not freeze. Specifically, if you don't set the cpu to boosted, there's a fairly high chance it'll randomly lock up on you. |
| 05:15:11 | earHertz | ok, that's a show stopper |
| 05:15:16 | scott666 | the 5G is pretty stable though |
| 05:15:31 | scott666 | definitely usable |
| 05:15:40 | earHertz | yeah, the 5g is fine. I mean, I use it to play music. doe sit have problems, sure, but you can use it |
| 05:15:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5G, Nano, and Mini I think are fine. As well as *maybe* the Photo. I'm not sure if it's just the grayscale 4G, or both, these days. |
| 05:16:02 | scott666 | my biggest problem is the inabilty to play music and games at the same time |
| 05:16:07 | scott666 | except for sudoku |
| 05:16:07 | scott666 | heh |
| 05:16:23 | earHertz | scott666: that's not really a problem in my mind. games are extras |
| 05:16:30 | scorche | what about the gmini 120 status...partial i am guessing? |
| 05:17:07 | scott666 | well its a symptom of unoptimized code. ive gotten it to skip from scrolling through menus too fast |
| 05:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Deceased... |
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| 05:17:47 | scorche | heh...partial it is |
| 05:17:57 | scorche | or partial (stalled) |
| 05:18:10 | earHertz | scott666: my list patch will help that, partially |
| 05:18:19 | earHertz | and my lcd patch too |
| 05:18:48 | scott666 | good to know |
| 05:19:08 | earHertz | my othe rlist patch would help too, but I haven't released it |
| 05:19:25 | scott666 | i didnt get very far into rolling my own rockbox |
| 05:19:30 | earHertz | as would my memcpy patch, also unreleased |
| 05:19:32 | scott666 | just got the dev environment set up |
| 05:19:47 | earHertz | scott666: that's half the work |
| 05:20:08 | scott666 | yeah, but its the half ive dome before |
| 05:20:17 | scott666 | *remember how to do |
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| 05:20:50 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: and i am assuming that iaudio is usable? |
| 05:20:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very |
| 05:21:02 | scorche | thought so |
| 05:21:46 | scott666 | earHertz: more importantly, its the part that there is easy, step-by-step instructions on how to do |
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| 05:22:23 | earHertz | once you'frre set up, download teh cvs, run rockbooxdev.sh, run configure, and make that's it |
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| 05:23:44 | scott666 | earHertz: yeah, but that you have to figure out which patches you want and start making sure they play nicely together |
| 05:24:01 | earHertz | yup |
| 05:24:07 | PsychO_ManiaC | hey i was wondering if anybody knew the song that the rockbox devs use when the play the first song a new developing mp3 player for rockbox? |
| 05:24:10 | scott666 | thats the half i havnt gotten around to |
| 05:24:44 | scott666 | www.rockbox.org |
| 05:24:47 | earHertz | PsychO_ManiaC: The Internationale |
| 05:24:52 | scott666 | click that Sound link |
| 05:25:09 | PsychO_ManiaC | that the song or the artist? |
| 05:25:16 | * | earHertz is joking |
| 05:25:24 | earHertz | it's a commie/socialist song |
| 05:25:31 | ssmith | Is Iriver T30 supported by Rockbox? |
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| 05:25:52 | scott666 | PsychO_ManiaC: click the first link in the latest news post, it says right there |
| 05:26:05 | scott666 | or, just leave |
| 05:26:16 | scott666 | oh wait |
| 05:26:22 | scott666 | heh |
| 05:26:45 | psychomaniac | ? |
| 05:28:47 | psychomaniac | thanks scott666 i thought i saw it somwhere on the main site |
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| 05:33:23 | * | scorche will put off adding a bit of padding to the table for now |
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| 05:40:00 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: partial (stalled), partial, usable, and supported for the status states sound alright? |
| 05:44:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 05:47:03 | scott666 | (OT: dont suppose anyone here has ever made a slipstreamed winxp install disc?) |
| 05:47:44 | BloodySorcerer | i have |
| 05:48:31 | scott666 | the directions im following want me to fill in a bunch of label fields (volume label, system identifier, etc.) is this actually an important step? |
| 05:48:42 | earHertz | (OT: where can I meet Russian women who want to marry for a green card?) |
| 05:48:53 | scott666 | russianbrides.ru |
| 05:48:54 | earHertz | sorry, I meant to ask that in ##linux |
| 05:48:58 | BloodySorcerer | lol |
| 05:49:08 | scott666 | sorry, this window was too convient |
| 05:49:18 | BloodySorcerer | scott666, probably not |
| 05:53:34 | scott666 | i probably should have made sure sp2 came with SATA drivers before i started burning... :-/ |
| 05:54:16 | scott666 | oh well, i guess ill find out the hard/interesting way |
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| 05:54:33 | Linas5 | hello |
| 05:54:51 | earHertz | Linas5: main screen turn on |
| 05:54:58 | Linas5 | umm |
| 05:55:00 | scott666 | what you say? |
| 05:55:01 | Linas5 | ok? |
| 05:55:17 | earHertz | all your.... |
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| 05:55:38 | Linas5 | anyone familiar with the iaudio x5? |
| 05:55:45 | BloodySorcerer | define "familiar" |
| 05:55:53 | scott666 | I'm only speculating here, but I'm willing to bet that someone set us up the bomb. |
| 05:56:01 | Linas5 | know how sensative it is to power |
| 05:56:02 | earHertz | lol |
| 05:56:08 | Linas5 | (ie. will 6.5v kill it?) |
| 05:56:13 | BloodySorcerer | 6.5 perhaps |
| 05:56:17 | Linas5 | darn |
| 05:56:26 | BloodySorcerer | AC adaptor is 5v |
| 05:56:30 | Linas5 | yeah |
| 05:56:35 | BloodySorcerer | but the battery is 4.2v (full) down to 3.3v empty |
| 05:56:37 | BloodySorcerer | so... |
| 05:56:39 | BloodySorcerer | i dunno |
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| 05:58:04 | LinasTheMagicDra | stupid wifi card... |
| 05:58:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinasTheMagicDra: I'm guessing you plugged in 6.5, it didn't work, and now you want to know how likely it is that it's dead? |
| 05:58:38 | LinasTheMagicDra | no |
| 05:58:45 | LinasTheMagicDra | im working on a battery pack |
| 05:58:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 05:58:55 | LinasTheMagicDra | and want to know if 4x alkaline batteries will kill it |
| 05:58:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd be surprised how often that's the case. |
| 05:59:03 | LinasTheMagicDra | lol |
| 05:59:15 | LinasTheMagicDra | i can imagine |
| 05:59:21 | LinasTheMagicDra | seems like something i'd do... |
| 05:59:22 | LinasTheMagicDra | =P |
| 05:59:50 | LinasTheMagicDra | so... |
| 05:59:53 | LinasTheMagicDra | do i risk it |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:03 | LinasTheMagicDra | or figure out some more complicated method |
| 06:00:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wouldn't three be much closer? |
| 06:00:46 | LinasTheMagicDra | or 4.5? |
| 06:01:01 | LinasTheMagicDra | err |
| 06:01:03 | LinasTheMagicDra | nevermind |
| 06:01:07 | LinasTheMagicDra | misunderstood that |
| 06:01:10 | LinasTheMagicDra | =P |
| 06:01:13 | LinasTheMagicDra | yeah |
| 06:01:57 | LinasTheMagicDra | ill probably just use 3 |
| 06:02:23 | LinasTheMagicDra | would it really screw up the batteries or something if 3 of them are more drained than 1? |
| 06:03:01 | BHSPitLappy | wow, linas has a novel written in here |
| 06:03:26 | LinasTheMagicDra | liar! |
| 06:03:32 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: so were you not sure if it was both the greyscale and color 4g? |
| 06:05:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yeah, I'm not sure. I think it's both though |
| 06:05:45 | scorche | one would think... |
| 06:06:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | One would think |
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| 06:07:25 | scorche | also getting rid of most of these question marks |
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| 06:24:38 | scorche | ooo...how new is the archos 104? |
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| 06:33:56 | cerf | any opinions on which is better, the h140 or the h340 ? |
| 06:35:03 | scorche | cerf: for what? |
| 06:35:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but they're all gonna be opinions. ;) |
| 06:35:35 | cerf | live recordings and playback |
| 06:35:43 | cerf | gapless playback.... |
| 06:36:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, playback is identical on both with Rockbox. |
| 06:36:05 | cerf | i dont care about video or drm |
| 06:36:08 | scorche | h140 for recording |
| 06:36:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | The H140 offers digital recording, so if that matters to you, it wins right there. In terms of analog recording options, again they should be identical. |
| 06:36:31 | * | scorche waits for Paul_The_Nerd's fleshed out response to him |
| 06:36:36 | cerf | anything significant reason scorche ? |
| 06:36:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: You mean like that? |
| 06:36:46 | scorche | indeed |
| 06:37:00 | scorche | =) |
| 06:37:07 | cerf | optical in ? |
| 06:37:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:37:23 | scorche | yes |
| 06:37:25 | scorche | bah |
| 06:37:28 | cerf | i would be doing most of it with a mic so... |
| 06:37:29 | midkay | let's begin calling scorche "whorche"! |
| 06:37:34 | cerf | great thanks |
| 06:37:36 | scorche | >_> |
| 06:38:13 | cerf | other that than, are there any real differences between the 2? i saw 340 supports drm... anything else you gys know of ? |
| 06:38:30 | scorche | color |
| 06:38:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | cerf: I'd suggest the H100 series if you think you ever might want optical recording. The H300 offers video, and USB on the go (neither of which Rockbox supports yet) but no additional recording potential. |
| 06:38:39 | scorche | USBOTG |
| 06:38:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | cerf: As for DRM, you lose it if you want to use Rockbox anyway. |
| 06:38:59 | cerf | right |
| 06:39:16 | cerf | can you dual boot them ? |
| 06:39:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:40:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the DRM gets destroyed while installing Rockbox (or if you want Video from the international firmware) and is non-recoverable. |
| 06:40:07 | scorche | how sad...my name doesnt show up |
| 06:40:11 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: doen for now |
| 06:40:24 | scorche | got rid of a bunch of question marks...mostly about the ipod 4g |
| 06:41:01 | cerf | paul, drm is destroyed with the dual boot method when in the iriver OS as well ? |
| 06:41:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | cerf: Yes. |
| 06:41:17 | cerf | ohh too bad |
| 06:41:30 | cerf | hrm |
| 06:41:36 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: lemme know if there is anything else i need to change in there |
| 06:41:44 | cerf | is that the same for all players with drm support in their native os ? |
| 06:41:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | cerf: The DRM is stored in such a way that flashing any non-American firmware destroys it, and that's necessary to switch to a patched firmware with the Rockbox loader, *or* one of the firmware versions with Video |
| 06:42:52 | cerf | that is very good to know |
| 06:42:56 | cerf | hmm |
| 06:43:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | cerf: The iPods do not lose their DRM support when Rockbox is installed. And it may be possible in the future for American H300s to be upgraded without loss of DRM, but there's not particularly much work going on that way. At the moment it's just an aspect of the way iRiver did the DRM in the American H300s |
| 06:43:52 | cerf | what about iaudio's ? |
| 06:44:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now they don't support dual boot. |
| 06:44:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I don't know anything about their DRM support at all. |
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| 06:45:05 | cerf | i am going through that forum now... |
| 06:45:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I honestly wasn't even aware the X5 had DRM support |
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| 06:46:57 | cerf | very new i think |
| 06:47:25 | cerf | looks like you can dual boot the x5 but no mention of drm that i have found yet |
| 06:48:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | The dual boot method is a patch right now. |
| 06:49:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should've clarified, there's no Official way to dual boot it yet. |
| 06:49:52 | cerf | no problem |
| 06:50:21 | cerf | you gave the better answer really |
| 06:51:16 | cerf | i guess i could go back to tunebite and not worry about drm |
| 06:51:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would recommend avoiding DRM anyway. |
| 06:51:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a losing game in the long run. |
| 06:52:11 | cerf | ohh yeah |
| 06:52:16 | cerf | its a total ripoff |
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| 06:52:24 | dropandho | hey guys! |
| 06:52:30 | cerf | hey |
| 06:52:38 | dropandho | quick battery question that i cant seem to find on the wiki or in the forum |
| 06:53:05 | dropandho | i have a h120 charging right now |
| 06:53:08 | dropandho | i want to get to bed |
| 06:53:29 | dropandho | is it my best bed to let it charge overnight...or to unplug it...and continue charging in the am |
| 06:53:42 | dropandho | i dont wanna over charge it...but i dont want to have any battery mem set in! |
| 06:54:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | The H100 series have hardware control of charging. They'll cut themselves off. |
| 06:54:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can't overcharge it. |
| 06:54:20 | dropandho | ohh great |
| 06:54:22 | dropandho | good to hear |
| 06:54:34 | dropandho | so just let it go over night..and it cant hurt itself?! |
| 06:54:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 06:54:49 | cerf | any leads on where to get a cheap h140 ? |
| 06:54:50 | dropandho | great! |
| 06:54:51 | dropandho | thanks |
| 06:54:55 | dropandho | now i can sleep soundly |
| 06:54:56 | dropandho | night all |
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| 06:55:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | cerf: There's a retailer that sells on ebay, Outletmp3. Though there is a higher rate of faulty units among them, they seem to be good about exchange/refunds, at least. |
| 06:56:13 | cerf | i will look them up thx |
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| 07:01:26 | cerf | seems like there is an abundance of Hx20's but few Hx40's |
| 07:02:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's because people went after the H140s first I think |
| 07:13:58 | cerf | wow... only online retailer i could fine is nulime and its $450! |
| 07:14:00 | goffa | heh.. i'm thinking of grabbing another 140 |
| 07:14:07 | goffa | and then rmaing my current one |
| 07:14:11 | cerf | good luck :) |
| 07:14:33 | cerf | u know a good place to get one ? |
| 07:15:30 | goffa | ebay has worked in the past |
| 07:16:50 | cerf | yeah that seems like the only reasonable direction |
| 07:18:04 | goffa | yeah.. put in a $200 bid and you should be in good shape |
| 07:19:13 | cerf | ohh that sounds a lot better |
| 07:19:26 | cerf | i am tempted to wait for microsofts release |
| 07:19:40 | goffa | what are they planning on? |
| 07:19:52 | cerf | read today that there is a good chance it will have a sat. radio option and wifi |
| 07:20:20 | goffa | cool |
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| 07:21:22 | cerf | http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/16/think-secret-dishes-on-zune-future-ipods/ |
| 07:21:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | WiFi seems kinda overkill for a portable music player, if it already has satellite radio. |
| 07:22:58 | cerf | some other posts suggested that you will only be able to get one or the other |
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| 07:23:10 | saratoga | i hadn't heard the sat radio thing, but everyone seems to say wifi |
| 07:23:51 | saratoga | i guess it could be like windows ce where you have one OS, and about 8 million hardware configurations |
| 07:24:23 | cerf | if you look at that photo the app name is SiriuCE |
| 07:24:48 | cerf | which is either a joke or a clue... |
| 07:26:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Satellite Radio on a DAP wouldn't be that bad, I guess, but I don't think I want microsoft's implementation of a digital audio player. |
| 07:28:40 | cerf | i think the new toshiba gigabeat is probably a good look at how it would operate |
| 07:29:13 | cerf | in the dap "mode" anyway |
| 07:29:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think if I ever got a new player it should have a focus on exactly two things: Battery life, and sound quality. Maybe FM or Satellite radio thrown in, UMS an absolute must, but that's it. |
| 07:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the lean seems to be in Multimedia functions instead. |
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| 07:37:57 | scorche | i would much rather have wifi than satellite radio |
| 07:38:12 | scorche | plus, satellite radio is very low quality |
| 07:41:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | WiFi is only usable at a hotspot though. Not really something I want on a portable. |
| 07:41:17 | scorche | true |
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| 07:41:33 | scorche | if only you could subscribe to a higher quality stream |
| 07:41:51 | scorche | thing is, they would have to have less than half the number of current channels |
| 07:41:54 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, but who wouldn't like the ability of a wifi chip in a DAP... think of the Rockbox toy possibilities |
| 07:41:56 | saratoga | I think all the MS stuff is UMS |
| 07:41:56 | BHSPitLappy | :P |
| 07:42:00 | saratoga | their specs require it IIRC |
| 07:42:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: MS invented MTP. I doubt it's UMS. |
| 07:42:11 | BHSPitLappy | ad-hoc wireless rockdoom deathmatches |
| 07:42:45 | saratoga | maybe I'm confused, doesn't MTP imply UMS? |
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| 07:43:06 | cerf | thx for the help guys - time for bed |
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| 07:44:09 | scorche | saratoga: not necessarily |
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| 07:44:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | MTP is media transfer protocol. I'm not even sure they have to give you drag 'n drop access to the contents, but I do know that it is more restrictive than UMS. For example, you need extra software in Linux to use it I believe. |
| 07:44:59 | BHSPitLappy | I don't think he was ready to hear that, scorche |
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| 07:45:16 | scorche | you do |
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| 07:46:04 | scorche | MTP is basically PTP with some extras |
| 07:46:20 | goffa | hmm... something special i have to do to get my h140 to load default fw? |
| 07:46:32 | goffa | copied ihp_120.hex to / |
| 07:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you mean boot into the iriver firmware? |
| 07:48:10 | goffa | yeah |
| 07:48:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because "default" would imply rockbox, since that's the default if it's present... |
| 07:48:19 | goffa | ah |
| 07:48:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall you just hold Record while booting. |
| 07:48:27 | goffa | ok |
| 07:48:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been a long time |
| 07:48:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | That might be "Clear settings" |
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| 07:48:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can't be sure. |
| 07:48:44 | goffa | seems to be working |
| 07:48:47 | saratoga | sorry, the webclient keeps dropping me without telling me |
| 07:48:54 | saratoga | so that i'm typing and no one is seeing it |
| 07:49:07 | saratoga | as I understand it, MTP and UMS look essentially the same in Windows |
| 07:49:13 | scorche | <scorche> saratoga: not necessarily |
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| 07:49:15 | scorche | <Paul_The_Nerd> MTP is media transfer protocol. I'm not even sure they have to give you drag 'n drop access to the contents, but I do know that it is more restrictive than UMS. For example, you need extra software in Linux to use it I believe. |
| 07:49:15 | scorche | <BHSPitLappy> I don't think he was ready to hear that, scorche |
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| 07:49:16 | scorche | <scorche> you do |
| 07:49:17 | saratoga | so if something implements MTP, you get drag and drop support |
| 07:49:18 | scorche | <−− _FireFly_ has quit ("Client exiting") |
| 07:49:20 | scorche | <scorche> MTP is basically PTP with some extras |
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| 07:49:29 | saratoga | yeah thanks, I checked the logs |
| 07:50:00 | saratoga | anyway, i believe MTP devices must support drag and drop, provided you're using an MTP aware OS, which was my point |
| 07:50:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: I don't think you're guaranteed Drag and Drop support, and you *certainly* aren't guaranteed that dragged and dropped MUSIC will play. |
| 07:50:24 | saratoga | i guess this could be a problem in linux, but I don't know, there are already MTP libraries for linux |
| 07:50:27 | saratoga | yeah i think you are |
| 07:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the H10 is MTP |
| 07:50:32 | goffa | hmm.. wonder how to switch iriver back to default |
| 07:50:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you have to use programs to update its database if you simply drag songs over, if I understand. |
| 07:50:55 | scorche | goffa: hold the record button while pressing on |
| 07:51:01 | saratoga | "Yes, you can drag and drop files to and from MTP devices connected to a PC just like you can with UMS. On Windows XP you need to have WMP10/11 installed in order to have the MTP driver on your system. Windows Vista will ship with native MTP support, obviously. With WMP11, I can drag albums to and from devices, I can copy non-media content to my device (data taxi) and I can double-click and execute content from a portable device." |
| 07:51:03 | BHSPitLappy | ptp is sick |
| 07:51:13 | saratoga | That would be the man behind MTP talking |
| 07:51:13 | goffa | yeah.. but it went back to rockbox on next boot scorche |
| 07:51:19 | goffa | how do you make it permanent? |
| 07:51:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: That doesn't mean ALL MTP devices. That just means it's possible. |
| 07:51:29 | goffa | i think i'm going to end up sending this back to iriver |
| 07:51:33 | scorche | goffa: that would require editing some code =) |
| 07:51:45 | goffa | hmm |
| 07:51:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: Do you mean to uninstall Rockbox? |
| 07:51:50 | saratoga | Paul_The_Nerd: I believe it does |
| 07:51:59 | goffa | Paul_The_Nerd: that would work |
| 07:52:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: I just cited an instance of an MTP device where drag and drop does not work |
| 07:52:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: Boot into the iRiver firmware, then choose to upgrade firmware from within it, making sure you're using an unpatched h120.hex |
| 07:52:23 | saratoga | H10 can be MTP I believe |
| 07:52:33 | saratoga | isn't there also a non MTP firmware |
| 07:52:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I understand that even in MTP it depends on the database, which the unit itself does not generate. |
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| 07:53:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, acting like UMS is not the same AS UMS. |
| 07:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | When I cited my requirements for a player, I stated UMS support, not drag and drop support, because I actually require UMS support of my players. |
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| 07:54:37 | saratoga | Paul_The_Nerd: whats the difference (serious question) |
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| 07:54:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | UMS means I can plug it into nearly *any* computer for the purposes of transferring files to it. |
| 07:55:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means that at a friend's house, or at class, if I need to bring files home, I can, without worrying about MTP support on the computer. |
| 07:55:55 | saratoga | presumably MTP would be ubiquitous, at least on Windows |
| 07:55:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | UMS means I can plug it into nearly any computer I will ever have access to and put files on and off it. MTP means that it *seems* like UMS. In windows. |
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| 07:56:04 | saratoga | and in the worst case, you could just put an MTP app on the device |
| 07:56:33 | saratoga | for the occasional Win98 system or whatever |
| 07:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: On WinXP with a new WMP, and on Vista. At school they don't have recent media players installed. My friend may have linux, macs, etc. |
| 07:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: MTP is not on WinME, and I'm fairly certain not 2k either. Or XP unless you have a new enough WMP. |
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| 07:57:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's not nearly widely enough supported to say "Ubiquitous", even among windows computers. Plenty of places, especially schools, do not run the newest software. |
| 07:57:39 | saratoga | then use a third party app for those old machines? |
| 07:58:22 | Zagor | the whole point of UMS is that you don't have to bother with drivers or applications. it's just another harddrive. |
| 07:58:50 | saratoga | yes but it imposes limitations, which is the whole point of MTP |
| 07:58:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait a second |
| 07:59:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | How does MTP have LESS limitations than UMS? |
| 07:59:08 | Zagor | the whole point of MTP is to lock people into windows |
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| 07:59:41 | saratoga | thats nonsense given that MTP already runs on LInux |
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| 08:00:03 | saratoga | iirc the specs are published |
| 08:00:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: You haven't answered my "less limitations" statement yet. |
| 08:00:23 | saratoga | oh |
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| 08:00:35 | saratoga | well thats obvious, it makes updating your tag reader extremely difficult |
| 08:00:42 | saratoga | for closed source firmwares |
| 08:00:49 | saratoga | obvious example: Iaudio X5 |
| 08:00:53 | Zagor | saratoga: lots of windows stuff run on linux. that doesn't change the purpose. |
| 08:01:08 | saratoga | want ID3v2.4 support? TOO BAD (unless you use rockbox) |
| 08:01:22 | saratoga | Zagor: Your arguement makes no sense |
| 08:01:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: Any firmware CAN support ID3v2.4 with UMS. |
| 08:01:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or anything else for that matter. |
| 08:01:42 | saratoga | MS wants to lock people into WIndows, so they publish the specs and encourage MTP support |
| 08:01:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | MTP is a way of *transferring* the data. |
| 08:01:52 | saratoga | You miss my point |
| 08:02:11 | saratoga | how do I add ID3v2.4 support to the retail X5 firmware |
| 08:02:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact the protocol itself does not implement synchronization, which is what you seem to be focused on. |
| 08:02:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | MTP doesn't add ID3v2.4 support to X5 either. |
| 08:02:25 | saratoga | no I am not |
| 08:02:39 | saratoga | the X5 does not support MTP ... |
| 08:03:05 | saratoga | maybe I am completely confused here, so i'll start from the beggining and you can correct me if I"m wrong |
| 08:03:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but what I'm saying is, what does MTP have to do with ID3v2.4? |
| 08:03:08 | Zagor | MTP is a transfer protocol. not a magic automatic firmware upgrade device... |
| 08:03:31 | saratoga | MTP has a program or driver on a PC parse tags, correct? |
| 08:03:48 | saratoga | (instead of the device iteself) |
| 08:03:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | The protocol itself does not implement synchronization |
| 08:04:21 | saratoga | ? |
| 08:04:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the metadata gets handled, I suppose. |
| 08:04:41 | saratoga | synchronization == copying files over, right? |
| 08:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that then depends on the capabilities of the software transferring the files. |
| 08:04:50 | saratoga | wait a second |
| 08:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Synchronization == comparing the contents of the computer database with the contents of the player, and making sure they match. |
| 08:05:13 | saratoga | does it depend on software on a PC to parse tags or not? |
| 08:05:35 | saratoga | as I understand it, MTP does |
| 08:06:26 | saratoga | which means that if there is a limitation (say, lack of ID3v2.4 support), I could simply update my software to get support |
| 08:07:00 | saratoga | whereas with UMS, I would need to update the firmware for my player, a task which is often difficult or impossible (short of porting Rockbox) |
| 08:07:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't understand that statement |
| 08:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | In case 1, the player being updated, the vendor has to release a firmware update. |
| 08:07:38 | Zagor | saratoga: methinks you place too much faith in commercial developers. |
| 08:07:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | In case 2, the vendor has to release a software update. |
| 08:07:49 | saratoga | what? |
| 08:07:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | In BOTH cases, it depends on the vendor releasing an update. |
| 08:07:54 | saratoga | no it does not |
| 08:08:02 | saratoga | MTP libraries are open source |
| 08:08:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Were you planning on hacking Windows Media Player? |
| 08:08:17 | saratoga | who mentioned WMP? |
| 08:08:20 | saratoga | I run linux |
| 08:08:42 | saratoga | I can simply recompile with an updated ID3v2 parser |
| 08:09:11 | saratoga | though I suppose if you actually like WMP you'd be out of luck |
| 08:09:36 | saratoga | still, I have more faith in MS to update WMP then I do most hardware companies to update the firmware of older players |
| 08:09:55 | Zagor | interesting "open" specification: "This license does not include the right to build a Licensed Implementation for a personal computer that implements that ?Enhanced Initiator? features, as described in the Specification. To build such an implementation, you must obtain a separate license from Microsoft." |
| 08:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does MTP define the database format on the player? |
| 08:10:14 | Zagor | and "This license does not include the right to distribute your Licensed Implementation." |
| 08:10:49 | saratoga | thats MS's implementation |
| 08:10:54 | saratoga | presumably, you would not use it |
| 08:10:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | The X5 can't use ID3v2.4 tags perhaps, but any database-based player can do what you're describing, having an external program update the database. |
| 08:11:01 | Zagor | no, that's the license for the specification |
| 08:11:22 | saratoga | libmtp is GPLed |
| 08:12:00 | Zagor | so is mplayer... |
| 08:12:10 | Zagor | actually, no it isn't. bad analogy. |
| 08:12:36 | saratoga | Paul_The_Nerd: YES exactly, but there is no standard |
| 08:13:12 | saratoga | having a standard allows you to have something like a UMS driver, except that supports reading metadata |
| 08:13:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: And so a patented standard that for windows users requires installation of Windows Media player, and for other operating systems requires third party software, is better? |
| 08:13:34 | saratoga | Paul_The_Nerd: Absolutely |
| 08:13:43 | saratoga | because I don't believe the standard is patented |
| 08:13:48 | Zagor | "good" will always be subjective |
| 08:13:52 | saratoga | so anyone can implement first party support |
| 08:13:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | And what's the solution for computers that you cannot install software on, or can add MTP support to? |
| 08:14:22 | saratoga | what kind of computer cannot run software, but can download or rip music? |
| 08:14:27 | saratoga | i do not see where you're going with this |
| 08:14:35 | sharpe | a work-related kind of computer. |
| 08:14:51 | Zagor | saratoga: lots of computer can download from internet, but not install new software. |
| 08:14:57 | scorche | or any type of secured computer really |
| 08:15:17 | saratoga | what do you mean install |
| 08:15:31 | Zagor | install an mtp application |
| 08:15:49 | saratoga | would running it off your DAP be out of the question? |
| 08:15:53 | saratoga | the way I run foobar off my ipod to update it? |
| 08:16:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: How could you run it from your DAP? |
| 08:16:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you cannot connect to your dap because of lack of MTP support, how do you connect to run the software? |
| 08:16:13 | Zagor | so the DAP needs both ums and mtp then? |
| 08:16:51 | saratoga | I'm pretty sure MTP implies that you can see the partition, even if you need software to add stuff like the ipod does |
| 08:16:54 | saratoga | or is that wrong? |
| 08:17:00 | saratoga | the only MTP DAP I used was like that |
| 08:17:24 | Zagor | if the computer does not talk MTP, you cannot see connect your dap to it. |
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| 08:17:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, MTP players will not show up as anything without MTP installed. |
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| 08:17:30 | saratoga | I mean, how would your MTP aware app add things if it couldn't mount the partition |
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| 08:18:12 | Zagor | saratoga: MTP is not a layer on top of UMS. it replaces it completely. |
| 08:18:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: You don't have direct access to the partition. Your app talks with the software on the player, the player itself has access to the partition. If your computer doesn't speak MTP, the software won't respond on the player. |
| 08:18:27 | Zagor | so no, you DON'T mount a partition |
| 08:19:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, if you take a Sansa, and switch it between MTP and MSC (UMS) mode, you can see two rather different filetrees, because it hides a good portion of the drive from you in MTP mode. |
| 08:21:57 | saratoga | oh wow |
| 08:21:59 | saratoga | thats retarded |
| 08:22:18 | saratoga | you guys are right, the spec doesn't require you to be able to mount it without MTP |
| 08:22:22 | saratoga | why would they do that |
| 08:22:31 | saratoga | making it optional just complicates everything |
| 08:23:02 | sharpe | it's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake... |
| 08:23:18 | scorche | sharpe: did midkay show you that? |
| 08:23:31 | scorche | how could he... |
| 08:23:36 | sharpe | while ago. listening to it on my mp3 player. |
| 08:23:38 | sharpe | er |
| 08:23:39 | scorche | that was something special that i shared with him |
| 08:23:44 | sharpe | ;) |
| 08:24:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: A standard for syncing metadata would be great, IF it were a layer on top of UMS, so that if it weren't present, you could still simply copy files as necessary. |
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| 08:27:19 | saratoga | yeah i see what you mean. it'll be nice if support is everywhere, but without backwards compatability the transistion is going to blow |
| 08:27:43 | saratoga | hopefully vendors will be smart enough to include UMS support as a fallback |
| 08:27:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many many don't |
| 08:27:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | iRiver for example. |
| 08:28:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The T-series and U-series players don't have UMS, though some of the T-Series can be flashed to a UMS-only firmware |
| 08:28:25 | saratoga | bizzare |
| 08:28:30 | saratoga | is UMS somehow complicated to implement |
| 08:28:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can't transfer DRMed music over UMS |
| 08:29:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can't prevent music from being removed over UMS either. |
| 08:29:31 | saratoga | does iriver really care about those things? |
| 08:29:40 | saratoga | i mean, if people are happy with MTP, they're probably not using DRM anyway |
| 08:29:49 | saratoga | sorry, without MTP |
| 08:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why would you say that? |
| 08:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 08:29:59 | saratoga | yeah, my bad |
| 08:30:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | But either you choose MTP or UMS, but you don't get both, for some reason |
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| 08:33:22 | Zagor | the reason is business, as you have identified. you don't get to run protected WMP files on UMS players |
| 08:34:23 | Galois | you can try to do DRM over any storage medium, including regular hard drives, but it doesn't work very well |
| 08:34:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other fear I have of MTP is that it allows the OS to transcode in the background during transfers, and I *really* don't like the idea of that happening, potentially without notification. |
| 08:35:57 | saratoga | You're thinking of an MP3 > ATRAC type thing like Sony used to do? |
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| 08:36:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or an "Everything->Mp3" type thing, yes. |
| 08:36:59 | sharpe | or the best, everything to some unheard of encrypted format. |
| 08:37:10 | saratoga | yeah |
| 08:37:44 | saratoga | i don't think that'd be very likely though |
| 08:37:51 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 08:37:54 | saratoga | afaik MTP just transfers the file and metadata |
| 08:38:05 | saratoga | so you'd need a third party driver to do the transcode |
| 08:38:15 | saratoga | (at least I think) |
| 08:38:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | saratoga: MTP doesn't even guarantee your device's compatibility with Windows, from what I read. |
| 08:39:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since it allows for support of a few other database formats than the one that windows will write to, if your player uses those, you still need a third party program to sync your songs over, according to the article I read a few minutes ago. |
| 08:40:13 | saratoga | does it even spec a database format? I thought it just handled transfer |
| 08:40:28 | saratoga | IIRC it doesn't even tell you what file system to use, let alone how to store stuff |
| 08:40:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | According to this: "In addition to MSC, MTP joins at least two other synchronization protocols used to transfer digital media to portable devices: iSync, used by Apple's iPod, and SyncML" |
| 08:41:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It then goes on to say that you'll have to use separate software to transfer to devices using those two formats. |
| 08:41:24 | saratoga | it handles syncronization? |
| 08:41:38 | saratoga | maybe they're talking about WMP, not the protocol itself |
| 08:41:48 | saratoga | i need to just read this whole damn thing |
| 08:41:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | They specifically say that WMP does not support SyncML |
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| 08:42:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. |
| 08:42:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I just prefer to keep the storage of my device separate from the software running on the device, and fully within my personal control |
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| 08:46:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, Rockbox could potentially support MTP on devices like the iPod. Which could serve as another means of externally creating the TagCache, in a way. |
| 08:48:03 | sharpe | ooh, transparently add/remove items from tagcache. |
| 08:48:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 08:49:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, it may even be possible to simply treat it as UMS, and have the TagCache metadata parser scan recognized filetypes as they're written to the drive. |
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| 09:34:33 | JdGordon | so.. what does everyone think about moveing the settings config menus out of the core and into plugins now we can sort of guess the size benefits? |
| 09:36:59 | amiconn | Hmmmmm, interesting tips on the ml.... |
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| 09:39:32 | amiconn | 1bit and 2bit lcd drivers will receive a bit of speedup soon :) |
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| 09:40:21 | [HO]vo|t | hello all. if an item (FM Recorder) is being sold in broken condition with no other information given, would it be safe to assume that it will most probably have a bad hard drive |
| 09:40:24 | [HO]vo|t | ? |
| 09:41:28 | scorche | if you can get your money back if it isnt, yes |
| 09:41:42 | scorche | but it could be many things |
| 09:42:26 | [HO]vo|t | i'm sure. it's on ebay right now and i just lost my unit to the headphone out gone bad |
| 09:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you not contact the seller and ask for more information? |
| 09:43:34 | scorche | ha |
| 09:43:35 | scorche | Used archos jukebox recorder 15. It has the rockbox operating system currently loaded, which is an updated and better version than the original OS. |
| 09:43:36 | scorche | =) |
| 09:43:43 | [HO]vo|t | FTW |
| 09:43:45 | midkay | we can guess what the problem is but there's no use in that. it could be anything.. |
| 09:43:56 | [HO]vo|t | i see |
| 09:44:07 | [HO]vo|t | well, whatever the case |
| 09:44:13 | midkay | ask him for details, i'd suggest. |
| 09:44:21 | [HO]vo|t | what can i do to preserve the longelivity of my headphone out on my new(/used) unit? |
| 09:44:29 | midkay | what happens when you try to turn it on, any weird noises, any errors.. |
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| 09:44:51 | scorche | have you tried replacing the batteries, hd, etc |
| 09:44:53 | [HO]vo|t | midkay: thanks, will do |
| 09:44:59 | midkay | sure. |
| 09:45:15 | midkay | scorche, well, i doubt he's tried replacing the HD.. |
| 09:45:29 | scorche | ya never know.. |
| 09:45:33 | midkay | he's probably just like "k, it doesn't work, i won't put in extra money to find that it might still not work, i'll just ebay it". |
| 09:45:34 | scorche | if it is just the hd, it should at least come on |
| 09:45:41 | scorche | (to some extent |
| 09:45:42 | midkay | right, so you could ask if he |
| 09:45:53 | midkay | if he knows what the problem is, or if not, any clues as to what the problem is. |
| 09:46:11 | [HO]vo|t | yeah, i wouldnt have thought to ask what happens when he tries to turn it on. |
| 09:46:30 | [HO]vo|t | but since its an fm recorder i doubt he has tried to replace the batteries |
| 09:46:33 | midkay | yeah, just ask for any info he has as to what's up.. |
| 09:46:35 | midkay | haha, yeah. |
| 09:46:42 | scorche | if it shows absolutely no life when turning on, it is not the hard drive |
| 09:46:56 | scorche | yeah...i noticed that it was a v2 when i looked online |
| 09:47:22 | midkay | scorche: map rework underway! sorta! |
| 09:47:28 | [HO]vo|t | anyone here familiar with the hardware of a V2 recorder? |
| 09:47:28 | scorche | uh oh.. |
| 09:47:30 | petur | JdGordon: I don't see any benifits doing that, the size gain would be very low... You could make some wizard-style plugins but please keep the core settings in the binary |
| 09:47:41 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: yes |
| 09:49:00 | scorche | ugh...new batteries for v1 recorder for 15$....why? |
| 09:49:41 | JdGordon | petur: the size benifit is about 6kb on recorder and 14kb on iriver, so it may be a good way to save space if we get too close to the archos size limits.. |
| 09:50:11 | midkay | settings menus as plugins? |
| 09:50:21 | midkay | those are about as core functionality as it gets, IMO. |
| 09:50:49 | LinusN | imho too |
| 09:51:05 | JdGordon | not really... and why would moving it to plugins mean its not? how often do u go into the menus anyway? and u never do while your in a plugin |
| 09:51:11 | midkay | being stuck with a setting after somehow not updating your plugins correctly, for example. |
| 09:51:32 | JdGordon | ah, well thats a good point :p |
| 09:51:49 | midkay | just sounds like a messy, problematic way of reducing size a small amount. |
| 09:51:58 | LinusN | not men tioning the time it takes to load the plugin when you want to change the settings |
| 09:52:05 | midkay | not to mention the end-user.. disk spinups.. yeah. |
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| 09:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well the idea I had was that the settings plugin would actually always be resident in the plugin buffer, and only unloaded when another plugin was loaded. So the only additional spinup would be win a plugin was exited and the menu plugin was reloaded (a spinup that occurs anyway if you have dircache disabled). But it was just a semi-random idea. |
| 09:54:03 | LinusN | last but not the least, it's not yet possible to translate the strings in a plugin |
| 09:54:51 | midkay | i still think it's a bad idea mostly because of the fact that you can't change anything without the plugin.. |
| 09:54:53 | JdGordon | LinusN: wasnt that meant to come with langv2? |
| 09:54:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, I'd say the lack of translation features in plugins is pretty much a "least" since that's a planned feature already anyway. |
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| 09:55:07 | LinusN | yes, but it's not yet functional |
| 09:55:11 | JdGordon | ah k |
| 09:55:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but it could still be an "Must be implemented first" situation. |
| 09:55:26 | midkay | feels to me like it's just too.. important.. to put into a plugin. |
| 09:55:26 | LinusN | and the proposed system you have separate lang files for the plugins |
| 09:55:43 | LinusN | meaning separate voice files as well |
| 09:55:49 | LinusN | let's not go there |
| 09:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: My idea actually allowed for the loading of config files outside of the plugin. |
| 09:56:13 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, okay, so then if you forget your plugin you have to go in and tweak some cfg files and then load it.. hm.. |
| 09:56:18 | JdGordon | why isnt the strings array just made available to the plugins? or is there more to it than that? |
| 09:56:20 | midkay | dunno how well that'd go over with most people. |
| 09:56:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: because plugins are meant to be separate from the core |
| 09:56:42 | midkay | maybe the number of features/efficiency of them could be looked at first, for example, instead of just offloading them to disk. |
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| 09:56:59 | LinusN | that's the whole idea with the plugins |
| 09:57:26 | petur | string memory buffer is already 14K (iirc) |
| 09:57:56 | JdGordon | ye, but thats a bit silly with rb, because about the only plugins available are the official ones, so they could be tied more tighlty than other plugin systems.. |
| 09:58:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think "forgetting your plugin" is kinda awkward. In that situation it's likely they've forgotten their codecs too. It's not like you'd keep it in the /rocks/ folder |
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| 09:59:06 | petur | :D |
| 09:59:35 | JdGordon | .. apart from those.. |
| 09:59:35 | LinusN | basically, the plugins are plugins, and not overlays |
| 09:59:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | The idea wasn't for it to be a plugin. Just run from the plugin buffer, and be separated from the core. |
| 09:59:54 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 09:59:57 | midkay | so basically a plugin. :) |
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| 10:00:07 | JdGordon | as mucha plugin as the codecs |
| 10:00:09 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i didn't mean literally forgot.. but sometimes things happen.. |
| 10:00:13 | LinusN | in fact, we already have one overlay-style plugin |
| 10:00:14 | midkay | right, meaning "external".. |
| 10:00:17 | LinusN | the credits |
| 10:00:48 | LinusN | but i believe offloading the settings would be too much of a hassle |
| 10:00:57 | midkay | it's like suggesting making the file browser or the main menu a plugin to me.. it doesn't feel right, settings are rockboxwide, they should be integrated, I think. |
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| 10:01:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yes, but the only thing that could *really* happen is an improper install of Rockbox. Which can easily leave the firmware unusable as it is. |
| 10:02:03 | [HO]vo|t | pardon the shoddy soldering but the unit was old and busted anyway. http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/204/img93206xl.jpg <- picture of my v2 recorder midway through my attempt at swapping "line out" for "headphone out" because headphone had extremely loose connectors. Basically what I ask is this: what is the mini-pcb for? |
| 10:02:26 | midkay | unusable in some ways != unconfigurable in any way... |
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| 10:02:59 | midkay | and i don't feel it's the same kind of unusable. there are just some things that i think of as "core" and settings is one of the first that come to mind. |
| 10:03:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: If your codecs are the wrong version, you can't play any music. |
| 10:03:24 | midkay | right, but rockbox still works, you can still mess with it, you can still configure it.. |
| 10:03:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | To what end? |
| 10:03:40 | midkay | what do you mean, to what end? |
| 10:03:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would rather be able to play music, but be unable to set my font than the opposite. |
| 10:04:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | The quick-menu would still be core, the context menu probably as well. |
| 10:04:15 | midkay | what about set your contrast if it got messed up, set your backlight timeout if it's off and midnight? |
| 10:05:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now you're getting into special cases. What if you somehow didn't install Rockbox properly *and* you wanted to change X setting. It's the same as if "What if you went on a trip, and your MP3 codec was the wrong version, so your audiobooks won't play?" It happens. |
| 10:05:29 | midkay | it's less to me a factual "this is core" and "this can be external" as a "this feels like it ought to be core for only a couple reasons that aren't very assuring" and "this will work fine as external". |
| 10:05:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you really want *core* functionality to always be available, then work out how to insure that the codecs always work. |
| 10:05:59 | midkay | i can't provide real reasons for this, i can't think of any. settings to me are simply very core. |
| 10:06:42 | midkay | music playback is important, yes.. but it's not core to me. i mean the playback code is. but the codecs are optional/modular. |
| 10:06:43 | scorche | there are many devices that have to have an external device interfaced with them to be able to change settings |
| 10:07:10 | midkay | settings is like.. part of "the rockbox you get without the .rockbox folder". |
| 10:07:15 | midkay | the menu and browser. |
| 10:07:21 | sharpe | ah. |
| 10:07:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I kinda think that "the ability to play music" is the utmost core of an MP3 player. |
| 10:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe I'm just strange though. |
| 10:07:34 | midkay | sigh, alright. |
| 10:07:47 | sharpe | what'd i miss? |
| 10:07:55 | midkay | how about, read up? |
| 10:08:00 | scorche | example: car electronics...they function and do thir job just fine...however, to change the settings, you have to have an external device to do it |
| 10:08:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not arguing strongly in favour of offloading settings. |
| 10:08:19 | midkay | scorche, "car electronics"? |
| 10:08:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just saying that really, the menuized method of changing them is certainly in my opinion no more crucial than playback, since the player is at least usable without them. |
| 10:08:30 | scorche | midkay: i am being vague, yes |
| 10:08:39 | scorche | however, you can figure out what i mean >_> |
| 10:08:43 | midkay | scorche, so what about a specific example? |
| 10:08:44 | LinusN | scorche: i'd say i change my mp3 player settings far more often than i tune my car |
| 10:08:53 | midkay | i can't sorry.. "car devices".. what? cell phone? no.. car stereo? no.. huh? |
| 10:08:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I agree with LinusN about that one. |
| 10:09:02 | scorche | that is a given |
| 10:09:31 | LinusN | my argument against the offloading of the settings would simply be KISS |
| 10:09:41 | scorche | but, i am just with the opinion of Paul_The_Nerd that music playing is the utmost core |
| 10:09:43 | LinusN | it's a hassle, and complicates the code |
| 10:09:46 | midkay | all i can say is that settings feel absolutely core to me.. there are certainly factual counters to that, e.g. "well if you don't have the settings module you can't play any music", but there isn't much factual to go the other way, than feel.. |
| 10:10:00 | midkay | and for a whopping 6kb, of all things.. |
| 10:10:19 | midkay | sizable, but i wouldn't say massive/imperative. |
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| 10:10:23 | JdGordon | 6kb is 6kb more crap that can be added :D |
| 10:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: The idea as I suggested was as a thought if size constraints ever become too overwhelming. |
| 10:10:31 | LinusN | lol |
| 10:10:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not as a "We must do this NOW!" idea. |
| 10:10:51 | scorche | personally, i feel that there is no need to go this far, unless we have a use for the space ready and it is worth it enough to go through the trouble |
| 10:10:59 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: it's certainly a thing to consider when we have few other options |
| 10:11:11 | midkay | scorche, that's quite incongrous with your earlier statement about how this is such a good idea.. :) |
| 10:11:25 | scorche | where did i say that? |
| 10:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: And that's all I wanted to do. Toss it out while the idea was still in my head, so that people could discuss it. It's better to at least come up with possibilities now, instead of scrambling for ideas later. :) |
| 10:11:55 | midkay | you backed it up what what you seemed to believe was a firm statement involving "the same thing happens with car electronics" which you haven't, by the way, proceeded to clarify in any way. |
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| 10:12:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now that it's been beaten around, it can probably be shelved with a nice little "In case of emergency, break glass" sticker. |
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| 10:12:27 | scorche | because there is no need to...i was backing up the "playing music is the utmost core" idea |
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| 10:13:08 | midkay | "no need to" what? clarify? sure there is, i don't have any idea what you're talking about. |
| 10:13:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Many car engines have a computer built in that can only be accessed with external hardware. |
| 10:14:05 | scorche | midkay: you want specifics?...the electronic limiter...airbag constraints...rpm to shift gears |
| 10:14:06 | scorche | etc |
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| 10:14:13 | midkay | car *engines* or "car electronics" as in end-user stuff? what sort of average driver tweaks his car engine EVER in his life, let alone once, versus probable adjustment-of-mp3-player-settings-daily? |
| 10:14:38 | midkay | who EVER adjusts "rpm to shift gears"? |
| 10:14:39 | scorche | fine |
| 10:14:45 | scorche | *electronics in cars |
| 10:14:49 | midkay | other than a few people who give a crap about that and maybe have the equipment.. |
| 10:14:54 | midkay | and the interest.. |
| 10:15:06 | midkay | the point about those is that they aren't even really meant to be end-user adjustable. |
| 10:15:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: As a note, I cannot turn my TV on or Off without external hardware. |
| 10:15:19 | midkay | *settings* take up most of the main Rockbox menu. |
| 10:15:27 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, that's interesting - why not? |
| 10:15:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It doesn't have a power button. |
| 10:15:39 | midkay | .. why not? |
| 10:15:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dunno. |
| 10:16:06 | midkay | what model, may i ask? *interested* |
| 10:16:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has channel buttons, volume buttons, and access to a basic menu. But power on/off, and many of its other functions, are only available via the remote. |
| 10:16:19 | midkay | pretty stupid idea.. |
| 10:16:37 | midkay | i find that quite impossible. :) a model would be nice, if you please! |
| 10:16:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an Insignia brand HDTV. |
| 10:16:42 | JdGordon | just butting in for a sec... there is a difference betweeen plugins which are games and plugins which add core funcitonality |
| 10:16:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | 27" |
| 10:17:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, my dad had a 50" plasma TV where the power button was hidden under the bottom edge instead of along the edge with the channel/volume buttons.. |
| 10:17:08 | LinusN | i can't tune the channels without remote on my 14" tv |
| 10:17:23 | scorche | i cannot change the settings on my computer without an external device =) |
| 10:17:25 | LinusN | which annoyed the hell out of me when i lost the remote :-) |
| 10:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's definitely not on the bottom edge. It's possible they've hidden it somewhere else, but I've not yet found it. |
| 10:18:07 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, we like to think that plugins are not core functionality |
| 10:18:16 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i can't possibly imagine having volume and channel buttons but not a power one - you should check again indeed. :) |
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| 10:18:40 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, and im disgreeing with you :D but i understand and will drop the subject |
| 10:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: What I should do is dig up the manual. |
| 10:19:03 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, that'd be useful. :) i'm curious in fact if that's possible, although i can't imagine it at all. |
| 10:19:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's possible it's just somewhere discrete and awkward. |
| 10:19:25 | LinusN | especially since it draws power even when not active |
| 10:19:26 | midkay | can't find anything on google as to an insignia TV "no power button" phenomena. :) |
| 10:19:40 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, maybe. :) |
| 10:20:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: My biggest complaint about this TV is the long startup time. Probably 15-20 seconds from power on to picture. |
| 10:20:16 | midkay | ouchness. |
| 10:20:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, that and the slight flickering in 1080i. But I don't like 1080i anyway. |
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| 10:22:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately my cable box only outputs 1080i for some unknown reason. |
| 10:22:41 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, comcast? |
| 10:22:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Time Warner |
| 10:22:57 | midkay | well.. i forget the cable box brand.. |
| 10:23:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Scientific America |
| 10:23:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 10:23:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Atlanta |
| 10:23:10 | midkay | on mine i managed my way into a kind of debug menu where you can adjust that. |
| 10:23:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tried the debug menu. Apparenlty I need the 3250 box. The 3100 lacks the option to change it. |
| 10:23:29 | midkay | probably not supposed to be user-accessible, but i think i read it in the manual.. |
| 10:23:45 | midkay | kind of those most-users-probably-don't-care-but-it's-there-for-people-who-want-to-change-the-defaults settings. |
| 10:23:53 | midkay | that's weird/sucky. |
| 10:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means 720p channels are converted to 1080i, THEN my TV, which doesn't have 1080 lines, converts them down and deinterlaces them poorly, further degrading the picture, to the point that a 720p signal is significantly better than a 1080i. |
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| 10:24:26 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:25:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | And normal TV channels, the 480i ones, look worse than normal, because I can see the compression artifacts, and then the flicker from the deinterlaced 1080i signal. |
| 10:25:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can see how people aren't being particularly impressed by HDTVs around here. |
| 10:26:17 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:26:19 | midkay | yeah. |
| 10:26:22 | midkay | poor guy. :) |
| 10:26:38 | midkay | demand a new cable box! |
| 10:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I tried that. |
| 10:26:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're out of 3250s |
| 10:26:52 | midkay | ah.. |
| 10:26:56 | scorche | if you whine a lot, they will do it |
| 10:27:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure they've gone to the hordes of people who own HDTVs just to watch the superbowl. |
| 10:27:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:27:10 | midkay | yeah. |
| 10:27:15 | scorche | maybe a few drops of saline before you walk in |
| 10:27:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, I only own one because when I was looking to replace my old TV, it was $50 more for an HDTV of the same size. |
| 10:27:40 | midkay | :o |
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| 10:36:32 | JdGordon | the godfather dvd makers suk.. they used the same dvd title for all 3 movies! |
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| 10:37:37 | midkay | :o |
| 10:39:58 | JdGordon | no, im an idiot.. the cases all look the same under crappy light :p |
| 10:42:07 | midkay | haha. |
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| 10:48:44 | sharpe | gahhh |
| 10:51:29 | midkay | yeah..... |
| 10:52:53 | sharpe | i'm so bored.. there's just nothing to do. |
| 10:53:03 | sharpe | everyone's asleep. i can't sleep. |
| 10:53:32 | midkay | poor guy. |
| 10:53:40 | midkay | i'm here 4 u. |
| 10:53:50 | sharpe | ah... thanks. |
| 10:53:57 | scorche | >_> |
| 10:54:57 | petur | sharpe: stop saying that, there are people in this channel that lack spare time :/ |
| 10:55:23 | petur | start programming |
| 10:55:55 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:55:56 | sharpe | petur: i'm sorry. i'll try to be less cavalier with my lack of things to do.. :D |
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| 10:56:36 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:56:59 | kitababe | noen våkne her da??? |
| 10:57:19 | petur | kitababe: english please |
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| 10:58:30 | kitababe | oki |
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| 10:58:57 | petur | rofl |
| 10:59:37 | sharpe | glad we're always here to help people. |
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| 11:00:36 | sharpe | seven day risk-free trial. ahahah... |
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| 11:00:47 | scorche | ... |
| 11:01:00 | sharpe | scorche: yes? |
| 11:01:08 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:17 | sharpe | scorche: no, it's yes. |
| 11:01:25 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:35 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:42 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:45 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:48 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK sharpe |
| 11:01:51 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scorche |
| 11:01:51 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:53 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:53 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:54 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 11:01:54 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:55 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 11:01:55 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:56 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:56 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 11:01:56 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:01:58 | sharpe | scorche: yes. |
| 11:01:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 11:01:59 | scorche | sharpe: no. |
| 11:02:08 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 11:02:14 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 11:02:14 | * | scorche sighs |
| 11:02:46 | Zagor | behave or I'll sic logbot on you :-) |
| 11:02:57 | scorche | but he just logs... |
| 11:03:01 | scorche | or does he?!?!? |
| 11:03:04 | Zagor | not if I op him |
| 11:03:09 | scorche | =O |
| 11:03:10 | midkay | do it! do it! |
| 11:03:16 | sharpe | scorche: he'll throw the logs at you. get it? like, throwing the book at someone. ahah. |
| 11:03:22 | midkay | i haven't seen logbot kick some ass in quite a while. :) |
| 11:03:33 | petur | last time he kicked half the channel |
| 11:03:45 | midkay | all the better! |
| 11:03:50 | sharpe | he a vindictive one he is. |
| 11:03:54 | sharpe | he's. |
| 11:04:09 | * | scorche starts to get excited |
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| 11:04:15 | midkay | "he a vindictive one he's"? |
| 11:04:55 | sharpe | okay. "he's a vindictive one, he is." how people sometimes always say 'he is' redundantly after already saying 'he is' at the beginning of the statement. |
| 11:05:41 | midkay | right. |
| 11:05:47 | midkay | but you said "he's" after the initial sentence. |
| 11:05:56 | midkay | i took that as shortening the last "he is" to "he's". |
| 11:06:11 | midkay | you should be more specific, like s/he/he's/ or -he+he's. |
| 11:07:01 | sharpe | sorry. it's all my fault anyway. |
| 11:07:23 | midkay | of course. |
| 11:12:00 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 11:12:02 | scorche | sharpe: i am sorry...i think that we should resolve our differences and work toward the good of rockbox |
| 11:12:43 | petur | or at least take it to pm's :p |
| 11:13:05 | scorche | msg sharpe: no. |
| 11:13:08 | scorche | errrr... |
| 11:13:41 | sharpe | lol... |
| 11:14:31 | midkay | who says "lol" anyways. |
| 11:14:41 | JdGordon | boooorrreeed |
| 11:14:50 | sharpe | JdGordon: welcome to my world. |
| 11:15:15 | midkay | too bad you passed up that opportunity to hear me play Prey, huh, sharpe. |
| 11:15:22 | sharpe | midkay: yeah. |
| 11:15:23 | midkay | then you could be doing what you would have been doing then, now. |
| 11:15:49 | scorche | are you two using my vent server without me there? =O |
| 11:16:26 | midkay | no! |
| 11:16:29 | midkay | and i can host if you want. |
| 11:18:44 | sharpe | midkay: ah, you can get to hear what just happened. |
| 11:18:51 | midkay | what. |
| 11:19:12 | sharpe | i guarantee it's not funny or exciting at all. |
| 11:20:05 | midkay | haha. |
| 11:20:09 | midkay | alright..?.. |
| 11:20:11 | midkay | what? |
| 11:20:47 | sharpe | nah, it's okay. |
| 11:21:56 | midkay | *lost* |
| 11:23:19 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 11:23:30 | * | scorche breathes again |
| 11:23:48 | * | sharpe knew someone would be opped. |
| 11:25:24 | JdGordon | anyone been able to install libsdl-dev on ubuntu? |
| 11:28:29 | sharpe | i think the general silence speaks for itself. |
| 11:32:57 | * | petur wonders if there's an expert in integrity (rtos) in the channel (looks at the swedes ;) ) |
| 11:33:19 | sharpe | i'm not swedish... :\ |
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| 11:34:50 | sharpe | oh well. goodnight everyone. or... whatever. |
| 11:35:05 | petur | lunch in 30 minutes :) |
| 11:36:09 | Zagor | petur: I've worked with many differenet rtos:es, but not Integrity |
| 11:37:16 | petur | it's quite integrity specific... another day, another rtos... |
| 11:37:31 | Zagor | yeah... |
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| 11:39:19 | dan_a | Is anyone able to help me get my head around the FIQ code? I'm trying to make Rockbox play sound on a 3g iPod... |
| 11:39:51 | linuxstb | What do you understand so far? |
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| 11:40:38 | linuxstb | ...or do you have any specific questions about it? |
| 11:41:24 | dan_a | I know that the FIQ is getting called, and then I think it goes into an endless loop until it crashes |
| 11:41:58 | linuxstb | How do you know it's being called? |
| 11:43:17 | dan_a | I did some cheap and nasty debugging (calling lcd_set_flip() from within the handler, and then changing where I called that until the screen stopped flipping) |
| 11:44:03 | Slasheri | hmm, i just started implementing the virtual filesystem support in rockbox :) |
| 11:44:16 | petur | Slasheri: nice! |
| 11:44:39 | linuxstb | I'm just looking at the code now... Try removing the prototype line from the FIQ function - i.e. void fiq(void) ICODE_ATTR __attribute__ ((interrupt ("FIQ"))); |
| 11:44:49 | amiconn | Slasheri: Please keep an eye on code size... |
| 11:45:19 | dan_a | linuxstb: OK, I'll give that a go when I get home from work. Am I right in thinking that other interrupts are disabled until FIFO_FREE_COUNT is less than 2? |
| 11:45:25 | amiconn | Your runtimedb code already increaed binary size on archos by ~5KB |
| 11:45:32 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh, i try.. |
| 11:46:36 | JdGordon | see! removing the settings will add more room for useless stuff :D |
| 11:46:40 | * | JdGordon shuts up |
| 11:47:34 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, that's how it should work... |
| 11:48:54 | dan_a | linuxstb: Thanks. Why should taking the prototype line away help? |
| 11:50:02 | linuxstb | Because I'm not sure that should be used - afaics, the FIQ handler code in crt0.S just calls the fiq() function as if it was a normal C function. |
| 11:50:15 | linuxstb | Can you tell if the function actually exits after the first time it is called? |
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| 11:50:34 | linuxstb | But maybe that prototype does no harm... |
| 11:51:13 | tongas | hi all |
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| 11:51:46 | RaeNye | Aloha |
| 11:52:03 | tongas | i'd like to upload my own WPS for iPod 5G on the RBx Wiki, but i really have difficulties... to understand how to ! |
| 11:53:08 | dan_a | linuxstb: It doesn't get as far as calling dma_stop, but I've not checked to see if it re-enables the interrupts yet |
| 11:53:43 | dan_a | So I don't know |
| 11:54:49 | linuxstb | dan_a: But it sounds like it is quite close to working - last feedback I got was that the FIQ routine was never being called. So did you change anything to get the FIQ working? |
| 11:55:11 | dan_a | No, nothing |
| 11:55:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: If the actual FIQ handler calls another function, this other function must not be marked as a FIQ handler. |
| 11:55:34 | amiconn | So you're right about removing the prototype |
| 11:56:03 | RaeNye | bye |
| 11:56:09 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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| 11:56:54 | dan_a | amiconn: Isn't fiq() the actual FIQ handler, then? |
| 11:57:08 | linuxstb | Checking the logs, preglow added it to the C version of the FIQ handler when he implemented the ASM version. It wasn't there in my original C version. |
| 11:57:14 | linuxstb | The actual handler is in crt0.S |
| 11:57:23 | linuxstb | ...which then calls fiw() |
| 11:57:27 | linuxstb | fiq() |
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| 12:01:18 | dan_a | Hmmm... would it be worth someone with a newer iPod quickly checking that the C version of the handler works? |
| 12:05:03 | linuxstb | Good idea - I'll try it now. |
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| 12:10:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: Re my strange gcc problem yesterday - it seems my cygwin installation is hosed :/ |
| 12:10:39 | amiconn | The problem happens whenever I start gcc with -mno-cygwin (causing gcc to switch to mingw32) |
| 12:10:54 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, I get an immeditate illegal instruction trying to use the C handler... I'll try removing that prototype line. |
| 12:10:55 | amiconn | It does work on another box |
| 12:11:19 | * | amiconn needs to reinstall cygwin |
| 12:11:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: install colinux, much fastser than cygwin |
| 12:12:04 | amiconn | JdGordon: I also have vmware installed, but even though cygwin is slower I prefer it |
| 12:12:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: At least you've found the problem... |
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| 12:12:14 | amiconn | It's better integrated |
| 12:12:33 | JdGordon | ye, guess thats true |
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| 12:13:16 | amiconn | Using colinux/vmware requires copying files via samba if I want to stick with my editor |
| 12:13:29 | amiconn | (for which I found no linux replacement so far) |
| 12:13:49 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, it's that prototype line which breaks it. I removed that, and the C handler is working perfectly on my 5g. |
| 12:15:06 | dan_a | linuxstb: Fantastic! I've recompiled without that already, and as soon as I get home from work I'll test it on my 3G |
| 12:15:26 | linuxstb | When will that be? |
| 12:15:52 | dan_a | About 6pm, UK time. |
| 12:16:01 | linuxstb | Ah, you're in the UK? |
| 12:16:10 | dan_a | I am |
| 12:16:16 | linuxstb | As am I. |
| 12:16:34 | linuxstb | (but I'm working from home). Which reminds me - I should work... |
| 12:17:52 | dan_a | Me too. Thanks for your help! |
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| 12:17:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you tried your editor with Wine? |
| 12:18:25 | amiconn | Ah, no |
| 12:18:49 | * | amiconn wonders whether it is (or will be) possible to run wine on linux-amd64 |
| 12:19:09 | chendo | eh? |
| 12:19:15 | chendo | i'm running wine on amd64 perfectly fine |
| 12:19:28 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 12:20:49 | Slasheri | hmm, i created vfs.c and implement there stubs for all file operations such as opendir(), open() etc. It will then route the operation to the correct handler or routine |
| 12:21:06 | * | linuxstb reminds Slasheri of slashes in tags... |
| 12:21:08 | Slasheri | i think then even dircache could be implemented as vfs |
| 12:21:36 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes, i will try to think something to that :) |
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| 12:25:20 | rolandweb | good morning |
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| 13:47:22 | Katastrophik | hi rockbox newbie has a quick question i installed dual boot firmware with patches including recording patch but i cant seem to find the recording menu does any1 know where it is? or am i missing something? iaudio x5 btw |
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| 13:48:12 | petur | I didn't know the x5 build already supports recording |
| 13:48:42 | petur | if it's supported, you should find it in the menu, next to the settings, fm radio, ... |
| 13:50:03 | petur | ah, I see the patch in the tracker |
| 13:50:26 | Katastrophik | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5355 |
| 13:50:36 | Katastrophik | yep its there |
| 13:51:06 | petur | so it should be menu -> recording -> recording screen |
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| 13:52:04 | bitztown | hi |
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| 13:52:22 | Katastrophik | when i go to menu theres no recording sub menu or whatsoever |
| 13:53:33 | linuxstb | Did you do a make clean and/or run tools/configure again after applying the recording patch? |
| 13:53:51 | linuxstb | (not sure if it's required, but that's something to try) |
| 13:54:31 | petur | the patch defines HAVE_RECORDING so it should be there |
| 13:54:48 | petur | so reconfigure and rebuild.... |
| 13:55:20 | Katastrophik | umm well actually i didn't compile it myself i downloaded from www.iaudiophile.net somewhere |
| 13:55:34 | Katastrophik | i don't have the talent to do it :( |
| 13:55:43 | Katastrophik | but i'm willing 2 try :) |
| 13:55:54 | linuxstb | Do the other patches seem to work? i.e. have you definitely installed it correctly? |
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| 13:57:23 | Katastrophik | definitely installed it correctly? i'm not really sure |
| 13:58:05 | linuxstb | I mean what other differences are there between this patched version, and the version you were running before, and do those things work? |
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| 14:00:03 | Katastrophik | my only interest is this 44.1k wav recording function so i didn't even check what other patches were |
| 14:00:14 | Katastrophik | i have to check it out |
| 14:00:30 | linuxstb | Did you have a standard Rockbox installed before? |
| 14:00:38 | Katastrophik | yes |
| 14:01:17 | linuxstb | Then try deleting the rockbox.iaudio file, and the .rockbox folder, and then unzip the patched Rockbox to your iaudio. Just to make sure you're not still running an older version. |
| 14:02:04 | petur | and also reset your settings when switching versions |
| 14:02:42 | Katastrophik | before i do this do i have to flash my firmware again with this dual bootloader? |
| 14:02:52 | petur | no |
| 14:03:17 | petur | just update the files on disk |
| 14:03:37 | Katastrophik | oh ok thanx |
| 14:03:49 | Katastrophik | i'll be back soon........ |
| 14:04:34 | * | linuxstb notices the X5 recording patch will break the ipod builds when ipods get recording... |
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| 14:13:50 | Katastrophik | oh no its getting worse |
| 14:14:08 | Katastrophik | i deleted everything and then copied again |
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| 14:14:43 | Katastrophik | after rebooting it says "no files" then freezes |
| 14:14:57 | linuxstb | I think that means you haven't installed the .rockbox folder. |
| 14:15:14 | linuxstb | Where is the rockbox.zip file you're installing? |
| 14:15:45 | Katastrophik | you want to have a look at it? |
| 14:15:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I'll have a quick look. |
| 14:15:58 | Katastrophik | cool hang on |
| 14:16:04 | linuxstb | (I don't own an iaudio, but I can see if there's anything odd about it) |
| 14:17:08 | Katastrophik | sending my rockbox compressed file |
| 14:17:41 | linuxstb | I was hoping for a link to the .zip file you downloaded. What exactly is that rar file? |
| 14:18:21 | Katastrophik | its everything |
| 14:18:58 | Katastrophik | rockbox.iaudio and all the stuff |
| 14:19:07 | linuxstb | It looks like a complete Rockbox installation to me. So if you have both the rockbox.iaudio file and .rockbox folder in the root of your iaudio, it should work. |
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| 14:19:54 | linuxstb | But beyond that, you'll need to ask the person who made that .rar file. |
| 14:20:08 | Katastrophik | i see |
| 14:20:45 | Katastrophik | i better play around a bit to make it work maybe |
| 14:20:52 | Katastrophik | i'll see what i can do |
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| 14:21:12 | Katastrophik | thanx |
| 14:21:57 | Katastrophik | i can't wait for RB 3.0 |
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| 14:40:34 | * | XavierGr goes to the beach!!!! |
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| 14:41:05 | * | petur turns up the airco :D |
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| 14:41:20 | * | Quarryman looks out at the rain |
| 14:42:02 | petur | forecast says 35 degrees celcius mid week :( |
| 14:42:15 | Mikachu | where? |
| 14:42:22 | petur | .be |
| 14:42:26 | Mikachu | ah |
| 14:42:59 | Sanitarium | i wish rockbox would build succesfully for me |
| 14:43:01 | Sanitarium | :( |
| 14:44:01 | Sanitarium | i installed the rockbox dev kit freshley... i found an old installer on my PC and a fresh source |
| 14:44:06 | Sanitarium | keeps getting an error |
| 14:44:17 | Sanitarium | can the old devkit handle the new source? |
| 14:44:45 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 14:44:55 | Jungti1234 | what is 'charcell'? |
| 14:45:10 | LinusN | character cell |
| 14:45:15 | petur | Sanitarium: for iriver and ipod it should be ok |
| 14:45:36 | LinusN | Sanitarium: the devkit is outdated |
| 14:46:04 | Sanitarium | ok.. I will try cygwin again |
| 14:46:05 | petur | oh is that an old pre-compiled thing? |
| 14:46:11 | Sanitarium | it was working a while ago |
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| 14:46:29 | Sanitarium | petur: it was the .bat compiler |
| 14:47:00 | petur | right, thought you meant something more recent |
| 14:48:05 | Genre9mp3 | Will the TwikiUsers page be normal again? |
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| 14:50:27 | Zagor | Genre9mp3: wow, I hadn't seen that. I'll look into it, thanks for the heads-up |
| 14:50:42 | Sanitarium | any way of uninstalling cygwin? |
| 14:52:54 | Genre9mp3 | Zagor: I thought it was a work in progress or something... and then remembered Linus saying to remove users that haven't contributed but then again days have passed and I felt to ask |
| 14:53:25 | Genre9mp3 | But it's not a big problem, I can login without problems to the Wiki |
| 14:54:41 | LinusN | i didn't bother fixing that page |
| 14:54:55 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to install SDL dev stuff from the source? i cant seen to find their install docs |
| 14:54:56 | Jungti1234 | port is project? |
| 14:55:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: why do you need that? |
| 14:55:35 | JdGordon | so i can get the ui sim to compile |
| 14:55:44 | Jungti1234 | yes? or no? |
| 14:55:56 | JdGordon | bloody apt-get is refusing to install the libsdl-dev package |
| 14:56:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Don't you just do the normal ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 14:57:08 | linuxstb | But if you've got a half-installed binary package, confusion could ensue... |
| 14:57:09 | JdGordon | linuxstb: thats what i was hoping and did, but no, i still get make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/include/SDL/SDL.h', needed by `/home/jonno/rockbox-devel/h300-sim/sim/button.o'. Stop. |
| 14:57:38 | linuxstb | The default prefix is normally /usr/local - so your SDL headers will be in /usr/local/include/SDL/ |
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| 14:58:16 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 14:58:18 | linuxstb | Do you have an sdl-config script in both /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin ? |
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| 14:58:36 | Mikachu | i would remove the install from /usr/local and ./configure −−prefix=/usr |
| 14:58:49 | * | linuxstb agrees |
| 14:58:59 | Jungti1234 | Is its meaning difficult to explain? |
| 14:59:17 | JdGordon | i only have sdl-config in usr/local.bin |
| 14:59:35 | JdGordon | Mikachu: ok, ill do that |
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| 15:00:03 | petur | Jungti1234: port = the effort to make software run on a new target |
| 15:00:05 | linuxstb | Jungti1234: A "port" is when you take a piece of software running on one system, and make it run on a different system. |
| 15:00:16 | petur | lol |
| 15:00:24 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 15:00:27 | JdGordon | port = expensive wine |
| 15:00:27 | Jungti1234 | good... thanks |
| 15:00:39 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon: hehehe |
| 15:00:40 | JdGordon | your all a buinch of geeks :D |
| 15:00:51 | linuxstb | JdGordon: And you're an alcoholic... |
| 15:00:59 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 15:01:08 | JdGordon | hehe, maybe :D |
| 15:01:57 | amiconn | port = place for ships |
| 15:02:08 | JdGordon | yay :) well it starts compiling, no i just get errors about missing SDL.h |
| 15:02:22 | * | linuxstb was waiting for a sailor to turn up... |
| 15:02:39 | Mikachu | it's also a doorway, to turn left, etc etc |
| 15:02:58 | Mikachu | JdGordon: you need to rerun rb's configure too probably |
| 15:03:22 | JdGordon | chhers :) |
| 15:03:24 | JdGordon | all working |
| 15:03:58 | Jungti1234 | Space shuttle discovery lands soon... |
| 15:04:27 | petur | land or crash, we'll see |
| 15:04:35 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 15:05:07 | linuxstb | petur: That's not kind.... |
| 15:05:23 | Jungti1234 | I'm bad boy... |
| 15:05:57 | Jungti1234 | I seem to want crash. |
| 15:07:03 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 15:07:13 | Jungti1234 | http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1369080&segment=149773 |
| 15:07:25 | Jungti1234 | If want to see, see. |
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| 15:13:19 | Genre9mp3 | wOOt! |
| 15:13:42 | Genre9mp3 | I got a mail notification... |
| 15:13:49 | Genre9mp3 | A package is waiting for me... |
| 15:14:01 | * | amiconn guesses it's an Ondio |
| 15:14:04 | Genre9mp3 | Damn, I should have checked this earlier |
| 15:14:15 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Yup! :) |
| 15:14:22 | Jungti1234 | good.. |
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| 15:15:06 | Genre9mp3 | I can't wait to have it in my hands and play with |
| 15:15:52 | Jungti1234 | Land. |
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| 15:36:36 | * | linuxstb is looking forward to winter... |
| 15:36:48 | * | petur too |
| 15:37:13 | petur | (after my two week hike in Schotland :) ) |
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| 15:38:07 | petur | errr Scotland that is |
| 15:38:50 | linuxstb | No, that's how you would write it in a Scottish accent :) |
| 15:39:28 | petur | I'm sure my english will be pretty useless up there ;) |
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| 15:42:00 | * | amiconn much prefers summer |
| 15:42:12 | * | JdGordon hates winter |
| 15:45:23 | Jungti1234 | I have question |
| 15:45:42 | Jungti1234 | rockbox boot loader version 5 batt: 4.03V |
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| 15:46:18 | Jungti1234 | After this message sees, it doesn't react. |
| 15:46:22 | Jungti1234 | down. |
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| 15:48:02 | sharpe | in the past twenty eight minutes, i've understood no more than probably fourteen words on c-span. |
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| 15:52:09 | bluebrother | damn, I hate users that get rude when you don't get them right on the first try. |
| 15:52:13 | bluebrother | :( |
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| 16:01:09 | sharpe | amazing, x-chat expired, and the other free x-chat build keeps crashing, lets try this one. |
| 16:04:03 | Galois | ugh how can GPL software expire |
| 16:04:20 | Mikachu | the windows build isn't free |
| 16:05:41 | Mikachu | http://www.xchat.org/windows/ |
| 16:05:59 | Galois | in theory you can build it yourself, no? |
| 16:06:05 | Mikachu | of course |
| 16:06:12 | Mikachu | and distribute it freely |
| 16:06:46 | bluebrother | there is actually an inofficial build which doesn't expire for windows ... |
| 16:06:58 | Mikachu | i'm guessing that's the one that keeps crashing for sharpe |
| 16:08:57 | sharpe | mmhmm. :) |
| 16:09:49 | Mikachu | i think there are cracks for the official build :P |
| 16:10:41 | Jungti1234 | hmm.... |
| 16:11:24 | sharpe | yeah, but i don't wish to bother to do so. :) |
| 16:12:05 | bluebrother | Mikachu, there are inofficial builds that aren't cracked. Just 3rd party builds. |
| 16:12:13 | Mikachu | yes i know |
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| 16:21:50 | webguest78 | how can i chenge the level of difficulty in Sudoku ? |
| 16:22:36 | webguest78 | and yes i did read the manual but didnt see anything there with regards to changing the difficulty level |
| 16:23:20 | webguest78 | linuxstb ? |
| 16:24:16 | Mikachu | download some easier .ss files |
| 16:24:32 | webguest78 | no I want more difficult ones :-) |
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| 16:24:42 | Mikachu | download some harder .ss files |
| 16:24:43 | PaulJam | I think for the autocreated levels the difficulty is determined after it is generated |
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| 16:25:25 | webguest78 | hmm, so no control over it then |
| 16:26:15 | linuxstb | PaulJam is right. The levels are generated randomly, and then the difficulty is determined and displayed. |
| 16:26:31 | linuxstb | I didn't write the generator, I just ported it. |
| 16:27:12 | webguest78 | hmm, so it randomly outputs medium to dofficult, or is there a sequence to med-hard |
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| 16:28:16 | bluebrother | woot! |
| 16:28:34 | bluebrother | I got nearer to generating a html manual :) |
| 16:28:34 | linuxstb | webguest78: It's all random - there's no sequence. |
| 16:28:49 | webguest78 | so I need to re-generate intil i get a hard |
| 16:29:11 | linuxstb | The way the code works now, yes. |
| 16:29:23 | webguest78 | thanks linuxstb |
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| 16:32:17 | PaulJam | btw, is there always only one way to solve a grid in sudoku, or is it possible that there are several solutions to one grid? (for the autogenerated ones) |
| 16:32:45 | linuxstb | I think multiple solutions are possible. |
| 16:33:06 | amiconn | A "good" sudoku only has one solution |
| 16:33:20 | * | linuxstb was just guessing... |
| 16:33:22 | amiconn | But it's possible that there are more |
| 16:34:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: BTW, have you tried Sudoku since my last set of changes? I think I fixed all the issues you raised... |
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| 16:37:23 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't even remember the issues right now :/ |
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| 16:46:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, no problem. I think your main complaint was that it always tried to generate a random game when you started it, meaning a long wait on an Archos. There is now a built-in default game, and also the auto-saving has been fixed, so you should never have to wait for it to generate a game unless you specifically ask for one. |
| 16:55:15 | ^BeN^ | LOL! //echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)) |
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| 17:00:02 | ^BeN^ | LOL! //echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)) |
| 17:00:04 | ^BeN^ | LOL! //echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)) |
| 17:00:06 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ^BeN^ |
| 17:00:06 | ^BeN^ | LOL! //echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)) |
| 17:00:10 | ^BeN^ | LOL! //echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)) |
| 17:00:55 | linuxstb | ^BeN^: ? |
| 17:01:16 | ^BeN^ | sorry |
| 17:01:22 | ^BeN^ | my script is idiot |
| 17:01:25 | ^BeN^ | i need to fix it |
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| 17:02:22 | Paprica | see you in more month |
| 17:02:40 | Paprica | im going to usa now |
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| 17:02:50 | Paprica | bye |
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| 17:18:10 | perpleXa | linuxstb: he just sent hist perform.ini to a channel ;) |
| 17:18:22 | perpleXa | the decoded text is: $findfile(.,*,1,scid -at1 .amsg LOL! $!cb(1) | .play #ý perform.ini) |
| 17:18:24 | perpleXa | :P |
| 17:18:45 | perpleXa | so someony probably has his asswords now :P |
| 17:18:49 | perpleXa | passwords* |
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| 17:44:34 | fantomas | Hi, I got problems with themes |
| 17:44:54 | fantomas | I selected a theme and got white-on-white |
| 17:45:04 | linuxstb | What MP3 player do you have? |
| 17:45:17 | fantomas | I don't see anything, how to reset themes to default? iPod |
| 17:45:43 | linuxstb | Turn the hold switch on as your ipod is rebooting - that will reset the settings to the default. |
| 17:46:54 | fantomas | linuxstb: it works, thank you! But its so confusing - I reinstalled .rockbox and rockbox.bin but this didn't help |
| 17:47:05 | fantomas | Where rockbox stores its settings, on sda1? |
| 17:47:18 | fantomas | or in MBR? :) |
| 17:47:26 | linuxstb | No, in an unused sector between the MBR and sda1 |
| 17:47:26 | amiconn | Settings are stored in an unused sector on track 0 |
| 17:47:39 | fantomas | hah |
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| 17:47:46 | fantomas | thats why nothing helped :) |
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| 17:53:19 | bluebrother | hi Febs |
| 17:54:20 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 22 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:54:20 | * | fantomas 'd just repaired iPod with iPod Updater. Now rsync'ing all the music back :) |
| 17:55:08 | fantomas | to the book of iPod User: rsync is better then iTunes |
| 17:55:35 | linuxstb | fantomas: Go to ilounge.com and say that... |
| 17:55:40 | klrspz | depends on what you're talkin bout |
| 17:56:24 | fantomas | klrspz: I'm talking about personal music library and the ways to sync it with iPod |
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| 17:56:43 | klrspz | well if you're using the itunes db, rsync won't do anything for you will it? |
| 17:56:44 | fantomas | linuxstb: thanks for advice :) |
| 17:57:09 | fantomas | klrspz: sure it won't. But who uses default firmware? |
| 17:57:24 | fantomas | klrspz: I'm kidding actually, ok? :) |
| 17:57:33 | klrspz | ok |
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| 18:05:24 | Febs | Hi Bluebrother. |
| 18:05:35 | Febs | Congratulations on the progress with the html manual. |
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| 18:06:05 | bluebrother | I fear we need to remove all capitals in \opt's |
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| 18:06:48 | Febs | are the macros like MASCODEC and SWCODEC case sensitive? |
| 18:07:00 | linuxstb | I'm sure some clever sed user could fix that with one command... |
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| 18:10:13 | bluebrother | damn, why did it work with capitals for my test line _now_? |
| 18:10:31 | linuxstb | Off-topic question, but has anyone here used one of the Kiss networked DVD/DivX players? If so, are they any good? |
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| 18:11:48 | bluebrother | Febs, in my try opt was case sensitive. |
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| 18:13:16 | bluebrother | ok, underscores seem to _really_ irritate tex4ht. |
| 18:13:30 | bluebrother | maybe replacing them would be sufficient. |
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| 18:20:20 | bluebrother | \o/ |
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| 18:20:32 | bluebrother | looks really good now. The underscores are to blame |
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| 18:23:13 | bluebrother | now the question is: what should replace the underscores? Removing the spaces from IRIVER_H100_PAD won't look good at all. |
| 18:24:47 | bluebrother | I used minus signs for my test. Dots seem to work too but look ... a bit strange. |
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| 18:39:56 | bluebrother | guys, please tell me what you think about that output: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/html/rockbox-build.html |
| 18:40:08 | bluebrother | (sorry, it's one big file atm) |
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| 18:46:30 | dan_a | md1clv |
| 18:46:39 | dan_a | Ooops, sorry |
| 18:51:30 | dan_a | I'm getting huge buffer underruns, but I have sound on my 3G iPod :D |
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| 18:54:31 | linuxstb | dan_a: Hurray :) I was expecting buffer underruns. |
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| 18:54:50 | linuxstb | Can you try WAV? |
| 18:55:13 | linuxstb | It would also be interesting to see if FLAC works - as a benchmark. |
| 18:55:19 | dan_a | I suspected I'd get them too. I'll copy a WAV file over if I can find one. |
| 18:55:20 | linuxstb | (FLAC's a very fast decoder) |
| 18:55:44 | linuxstb | So the only change needed in CVS is to remove that prototype line? |
| 18:55:55 | dan_a | That's right |
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| 18:58:36 | dan_a | How different is the C FIQ handler to the current assembler one? |
| 18:59:14 | linuxstb | It shouldn't take much work to adapt the assembler for the PP5002. It's mainly just changing the constants and addresses. |
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| 18:59:44 | dan_a | I hoped that'd be it. I'll give that a go over this week. |
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| 19:00:46 | linuxstb | Just compare the differences in the C version for the PP5002 and PP5020. And remember that in the C version, the macros like FIFO_FREE_COUNT will be different for the PP5002 and PP5020. |
| 19:01:15 | linuxstb | You've probably found them, but firmware/export/pp5002.h and firmware/export/pp5020.h contain most of the CPU-specific definitions. |
| 19:02:00 | dan_a | Thanks! |
| 19:02:30 | linuxstb | Another simply "optimisation" if you haven't done so already is to change your WPS (while playing screen) to one without a peakmeter. The peakmeter causes buffer underruns even on the PP5020. |
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| 19:06:25 | dan_a | I've turned off the peak meter. Wavs play perfectly. I'm just about to give MP3's a go |
| 19:08:03 | dan_a | MP3's are better, but still not usable. |
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| 19:12:32 | linuxstb | At least if WAVs play, we know the driver's OK. |
| 19:12:54 | linuxstb | I'ld be curious to know about FLAC, and also Ogg Vorbis (vorbis is faster than MP3 on the PP5020 ipods) |
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| 19:13:46 | linuxstb | Also, what bitrate are your MP3s? |
| 19:14:50 | dan_a | I'll find a FLAC file. I was testing a 128k MP3, I think it's VBR. |
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| 19:20:26 | kidd3ckz | any plans on putting visualizations in rockbox? |
| 19:20:53 | lou | doubtful |
| 19:20:55 | scott666 | well, there are the demo plugins |
| 19:20:58 | lou | (i hope) |
| 19:21:27 | linuxstb | There's been talk about it, but I don't think it's a priority for anyone. |
| 19:21:28 | PaulJam | chexk the oscilloscope or the vu_meter plugin |
| 19:21:43 | scott666 | someone should port Milkdrop |
| 19:21:43 | scott666 | heh |
| 19:21:51 | kidd3ckz | would be freakin sexy |
| 19:22:27 | scott666 | yeah it would, i dont think we have enough horsepower though |
| 19:22:35 | linuxstb | dan_a: How well does the rest of Rockbox work on the 3G? Any obvious issues? |
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| 19:23:28 | markun | linuxstb: Marsdaddy is now changing the WMA decoder 'from using 32 to 64 bit values'. Do you think we need this kind of precision? |
| 19:24:03 | linuxstb | markun: I noticed that, and was a little worried... But I don't know enough about lossy codecs to comment. |
| 19:24:15 | Kohlrabi | for WMA? |
| 19:24:45 | Kohlrabi | :o |
| 19:25:05 | markun | It would really be nice if he would just talk to other people (like preglow) about it instead of changing many things |
| 19:27:16 | linuxstb | Yes. Developing open source by yourself defeats the purpose... |
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| 19:30:48 | PaulJam | i wonder how long it will take from wma support until the first people complain that their napster wmas won't play in rockbox. |
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| 19:39:47 | dan_a | linuxstb: I've not found any obvious problems. |
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| 19:40:02 | linuxstb | That's good... Did you find a FLAC file? |
| 19:40:43 | dan_a | I had to pop away for a while, so not yet |
| 19:41:22 | dan_a | I've not checked in the manual yet, but should USB work? |
| 19:42:05 | linuxstb | Maybe not for the 3g. On the 4g and later, Rockbox detects a USB connection, and then reboots into the Apple firmware's emergency disk mode. |
| 19:42:41 | linuxstb | (the disk mode you access by holding rewind and fast-forward as your 3G is booting) |
| 19:43:05 | dan_a | Ah. It doesn't do that on mine |
| 19:43:40 | linuxstb | It's probably not implemented. I think the code for the 4gs was taken from podzilla. |
| 19:45:56 | linuxstb | If you don't have any FLAC files, some are here: http://www.archive.org/details/bhsurfers1991-08-04.flacf (a random show from the Live Music Archive). |
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| 19:55:48 | dan_a | I'll get FLAC and Ogg checked shortly. |
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| 20:02:36 | Mikachu | Just reencode something. |
| 20:04:08 | linuxstb | dan_a: I've also found a better fix for the FIQ handler - leaving the FIQ attribute in the function prototype, but changing crt0.S. Can you revert your pcm_playback.c to the CVS version, and then change the code at around line 359 of crt0.S to remove the #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5020 and make the PP5002 use the same code (i.e. the single ldr pc,=fiq) as the PP5020? |
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| 20:44:25 | linuxstb | dan_a: I've just committed my alternative fix to CVS. Grateful if you could test, but the C handler is still working on my 5g, so I can't imagine why it wouldn't work on the 3g. |
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| 21:03:05 | goffa | grrr... |
| 21:03:46 | goffa | i can't seem to get the firmware to "update" with original 140 fw |
| 21:04:26 | goffa | i boot into iriver... go to general.. go to firmware |
| 21:04:34 | goffa | click update firmware.. select yes |
| 21:04:44 | goffa | then it goes back to prev menu |
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| 21:06:00 | goffa | only reason i want to go back is to unvoid my warranty :) |
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| 21:06:16 | goffa | have to rma this thing |
| 21:07:21 | goffa | i assume depressing the navi button is supposed to select yes |
| 21:08:45 | PaulJam | maybe it doesn't find the firmware file, have you maybe renamed it? |
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| 21:10:28 | Hans|away | Oh, sound on 3G ipod |
| 21:10:31 | Hans|away | nice |
| 21:10:33 | goffa | well i put it in / |
| 21:10:40 | goffa | and just drug and dropped |
| 21:10:49 | Hans|away | i thought Rockbox is in a feature freeze |
| 21:10:55 | Hans|away | ;) |
| 21:11:11 | goffa | i wouldn't call sound a feature |
| 21:11:13 | linuxstb | I sneaked it in.... Hope nobody objects. |
| 21:11:14 | goffa | :) |
| 21:11:21 | PaulJam | is it named "H100.hex" ? |
| 21:11:34 | goffa | its like saying car for sale engine included |
| 21:11:49 | Hans|away | it was just a joke |
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| 21:13:32 | goffa | yeah... well its hard to know in here :) |
| 21:13:45 | goffa | because a lot of people get serious about that stuff |
| 21:14:36 | goffa | i'll try renaming to H100.hex |
| 21:14:48 | PaulJam | what is the current name? |
| 21:15:37 | goffa | ihp_120.hex |
| 21:15:44 | PaulJam | i'm not 100% sure how the hex file for h100 series has to be called |
| 21:16:08 | goffa | i was just going by default name unzipped |
| 21:16:15 | goffa | and that's what it was called with the hacked fw |
| 21:16:30 | goffa | i'm going to redownload |
| 21:17:49 | PaulJam | "ihp_120.hex" seems to be correct, sorry for the confusion. |
| 21:17:59 | goffa | np |
| 21:18:07 | goffa | i'm grasping at straws here |
| 21:19:01 | goffa | um... do i need to have the power plugged in? |
| 21:19:21 | PaulJam | not necessarily, but it is recommended. |
| 21:19:36 | goffa | just asking x5 you do |
| 21:20:09 | PaulJam | at least on h300 you don't have to plug in the charger |
| 21:20:26 | goffa | yeah... hoping not :) |
| 21:20:35 | goffa | don't want to wait until i go home |
| 21:21:45 | PaulJam | is the file maybe damaged i.e. can you copy the file back to the computer without errors? |
| 21:22:40 | goffa | i'll try |
| 21:22:49 | goffa | it was booting rockbox fine |
| 21:24:10 | goffa | yeah.. copied fine |
| 21:25:45 | PaulJam | have you set your windows to show all fileextensions, not that the file is called ihp_120.hex.zip (sorry, i have no better ideas what might be the problem) |
| 21:26:17 | goffa | yeah... i've got extensions showing |
| 21:26:31 | goffa | i wonder if the hacked firmware had trouble |
| 21:26:44 | goffa | because i can get into the screen to update the firmware |
| 21:27:03 | goffa | it just goes back to the menu when i select yes to do the update |
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| 21:27:40 | goffa | and i feel leary about sending this in with rb on it.. they might just send it back and tell me to stick it |
| 21:27:59 | PaulJam | btw, waht is wrong with it? |
| 21:28:21 | goffa | no audio coming out of the headphone jack |
| 21:28:36 | goffa | its a fancy portable hd right now |
| 21:29:08 | goffa | not a total brick |
| 21:29:17 | goffa | but diffinately not what i want |
| 21:30:09 | PaulJam | does the iriver ifrmware see the firmwarefile in the browser mode? (if it has a browser mode) |
| 21:30:22 | goffa | no |
| 21:30:24 | goffa | in fact |
| 21:30:32 | goffa | actually |
| 21:30:48 | goffa | you just made a lightbulb turn on |
| 21:31:06 | goffa | um... it can't read the file system.. or at least it appears that way |
| 21:31:10 | goffa | it can in rb |
| 21:31:13 | goffa | but not of |
| 21:31:50 | PaulJam | maybe a reformat will help (do a backup before) |
| 21:32:54 | goffa | hmm.. think i'll do that... |
| 21:33:46 | goffa | it'll be a pain.. but i think i'll start from scratch on this player |
| 21:33:58 | goffa | tunes are all on the computer.. |
| 21:34:05 | goffa | i'll just put a new list on :) |
| 21:35:43 | goffa | too late to go back now :) |
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| 21:39:07 | _FireFly_ | goffa: of the reformat via the pc doesn*t work try the format option of the iriver fw (General->Format) |
| 21:39:28 | goffa | yeah.. that's what i did _FireFly_ |
| 21:39:33 | goffa | a lot quicker too |
| 21:40:04 | goffa | YAY |
| 21:40:08 | goffa | well sort of :) |
| 21:40:14 | _FireFly_ | ? |
| 21:40:14 | goffa | my player is naked now |
| 21:40:31 | goffa | but at least i can send it in now |
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| 21:43:34 | webguest69 | hi |
| 21:43:45 | webguest69 | i need help |
| 21:44:30 | webguest69 | FUCK ALL OF YOU ROCKBOX SUCK MAJOR DICK FUCKERS! |
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| 21:45:36 | linuxstb_ | He was right - he does need help... |
| 21:47:47 | goffa | wow... guess we didn't make the 2 min rule |
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| 21:50:37 | _FireFly_ | goffa: which 2 min rule he wasn't at least ca one min in the channel |
| 21:50:55 | _FireFly_ | s/at least/only |
| 21:51:06 | goffa | i was just being a smart ass |
| 21:51:41 | goffa | meanings that we are all "dick fuckers" because we didn't answer in 2 mins |
| 21:51:54 | goffa | or whatever he called us |
| 21:52:01 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 21:52:04 | PaulJam | he hasn't even asked a question |
| 21:52:10 | goffa | i know |
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| 22:48:35 | Harry | hello |
| 22:48:45 | Harry | will 3.0 work for the ipod? |
| 22:48:58 | dionoea | the CVS version does |
| 22:49:04 | dionoea | (on my video ipod) |
| 22:49:19 | dionoea | but 3.0 won't have "official" ipod support |
| 22:50:21 | KylePV | hm... i wondr when will 3.0 come out?... |
| 22:51:12 | novimon | me wonders too |
| 22:55:41 | XavierGr | So is the iPod 3G port in synch with the others? |
| 22:57:31 | dionoea | except ipod specific stuff ... yes |
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| 22:57:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: No 'gentlemen:' mail yet? |
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| 22:58:40 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes, indeed |
| 22:58:53 | amiconn | Congrats to you and dan_a, btw |
| 22:59:18 | XavierGr | is there another iPod model left out now? |
| 22:59:40 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:59:50 | amiconn | 1st gen and 2nd gen |
| 22:59:52 | XavierGr | iPod 1g and 2g |
| 22:59:56 | XavierGr | ? |
| 22:59:58 | XavierGr | ah |
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| 23:00:04 | XavierGr | and shuffle! LOL |
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| 23:00:14 | amiconn | muhahaha |
| 23:00:39 | Harry | dio so can run 3.0 on my 5g |
| 23:00:39 | KylePV | shuffle support would be nice...LOL |
| 23:00:39 | Harry | ? |
| 23:00:44 | amiconn | In fact, if there were a gcc port, it would be tempting |
| 23:01:10 | Harry | dionoea wat new feature doe s3.0 have just bug fixs? |
| 23:01:32 | Febs | Harry: 3.0 will be a stable release for irver and archos. It will run on your ipod like any other build |
| 23:01:46 | Harry | so theres nothing new in it |
| 23:01:56 | Febs | Nope. |
| 23:02:03 | Harry | intesteresting |
| 23:02:10 | Harry | did they fix the battery issues |
| 23:02:19 | Febs | Yes. |
| 23:02:25 | Febs | With iriverh300. |
| 23:02:32 | Harry | dam |
| 23:02:39 | Harry | r they even working on ipod |
| 23:02:40 | amiconn | There won't be a 3.0 build for ipods and iaudio |
| 23:03:01 | dionoea | Harry: i don't have a clue ... i'm just lurking on this IRC channel :) |
| 23:03:06 | Harry | lol |
| 23:03:06 | amiconn | (but of course the 3.0 code base will be available as normal daily/bleeding edge |
| 23:03:10 | dionoea | welll it does have loads of new features |
| 23:03:21 | Harry | like |
| 23:04:02 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=FeatureComparison |
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| 23:04:53 | Harry | yo who wants to make atheme with me |
| 23:05:01 | Harry | like coding it |
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| 23:09:00 | klrspz | speaking of theme's (more particularly WPS'), will there ever be the option to iterate the levels of the peakmeter? |
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| 23:11:34 | Febs | What do you mean by "iterate the levels of the peakmeter"? |
| 23:11:56 | klrspz | ie, to create custom peakmeters |
| 23:12:02 | klrspz | images associated to diff levels of peak values |
| 23:12:30 | klrspz | like how you can do with play/pause or track position slider stuff... |
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| 23:41:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: I was waiting for dan_a to confirm that my committed change was OK (it's different the fix he tested). But he seems to have disappeared... |
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| 23:53:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently our forums are quite accessible from Windows Mobile devices. |
| 23:55:46 | * | dionoea notices "The_Nerd" in Paul_The_Nerd's nick |
| 23:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I had the chance to try one out, and our forums looked quite slick on it. You could log in, unread posts were shown clearly, *no* images were used to conserve bandwidth, it's really quite slick. |
| 23:56:42 | * | petur tries it |
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| 23:57:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The *only* think I didn't like about it, is that there's nothing to differentiate the special membergroups. I may edit the CSS to see if I can give Mods, Admins, Devs, and Experts a highlight of some sort. Nothing as complex as they are now, maybe just make all of them have some other color than black for their name on color screens, assuming it's possible. |
| 23:58:16 | petur | I get images here, did you use a special URL? |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).