| 00:00:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | forums.rockbox.org/index.php?;wap2 is what my browser defaulted to when I pointed at http://forums.rockbox.org/ |
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| 00:00:40 | petur | not here |
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| 00:00:56 | petur | anyways, I don't use my pda to surf the web |
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| 00:01:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, this was a smartphone so, it may pick a different profile. |
| 00:02:13 | petur | heh, the url you gave is indeed very browsable |
| 00:03:03 | petur | seems to be read-only |
| 00:03:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm? |
| 00:03:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I posted a few responses through it. |
| 00:03:47 | XavierGr | wow you managed to post something through a mobile phone? |
| 00:03:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Three or four posts, yeah. |
| 00:03:59 | XavierGr | I nearly can't right an SMS easily |
| 00:04:25 | petur | I just get text links for the subforums and posts, no linkt to login of post. Maybe the url you gave is that of a subframe? |
| 00:04:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: The login link is only on the main forum screen. |
| 00:04:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | The front page of it all |
| 00:06:44 | petur | ah well, that gives the icon version again. But nevermind, I have no need for this ;) |
| 00:06:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 00:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, my phone died, so I finally sprung for a smartphone, since my old HP PDA died, and decided to try it out. |
| 00:07:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, I now have to leave. |
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| 00:37:47 | webguest24 | hey |
| 00:38:02 | webguest24 | I am having trouble decideing on the bootloader I should choose |
| 00:38:12 | webguest24 | I have an Iaudio X5l |
| 00:38:44 | webguest24 | and if I download Iaudio x5 bootloader will it make my battery have less life or something? |
| 00:41:57 | petur | I think battery life got better recently, don't know how it compares to retail os |
| 00:45:36 | webguest24 | well |
| 00:45:46 | webguest24 | the X5l has like 30 hours of battery supossedly |
| 00:45:55 | webguest24 | compared to the x5's like 14 |
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| 00:46:47 | petur | I don't think there's any firmware difference between x5 and x5L, just a bigger battery |
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| 00:59:19 | petur | amiconn: you remember this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5291.0 ? |
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| 01:01:17 | amiconn | Ages ago... |
| 01:01:29 | * | amiconn doesn't read the forums often nowadays |
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| 01:02:24 | amiconn | Too much jabber |
| 01:03:16 | petur | well, certainly in the ipod subforums :) |
| 01:04:34 | webguest24 | heh |
| 01:04:46 | webguest24 | I'm all for Iaudio |
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| 01:05:07 | DeathDesigns | you know |
| 01:05:20 | DeathDesigns | rockbox is cooler in my opionin |
| 01:05:23 | DeathDesigns | not as pretty |
| 01:05:28 | petur | DeathDesigns: running rockbox already? |
| 01:05:37 | DeathDesigns | and the Iaudio has trouble handling it |
| 01:05:42 | DeathDesigns | but |
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| 01:05:51 | DeathDesigns | you can lister to music and look at pics |
| 01:06:04 | DeathDesigns | and you can zoom in like 130%+ more |
| 01:06:13 | DeathDesigns | listen* |
| 01:06:21 | DeathDesigns | ima go watch king of the hill =p |
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| 01:08:30 | petur | fat_checkname() needs a real filter to prevent invalid filenames, or do we implement it on a higher level (maybe make the vkeyboard aware it's editing a filename)? |
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| 02:07:14 | dan_a | iPod 3g status (using the latest CVS with no changes): mp3s play with buffer underruns. Wavs play correctly. Flac files may cause crashes, or it may just be the one I tested. |
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| 02:08:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: What's the boost frequency for PP5002? If it's the same as for PP5020 we should probably increase it a bit |
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| 03:20:52 | JdGordon | does anyone know if the vmware devkit has sdl installed? |
| 03:20:58 | hardeep | yes it does |
| 03:21:06 | JdGordon | so it can build the ui sim? |
| 03:21:10 | hardeep | yes |
| 03:21:16 | JdGordon | a great :) |
| 03:21:24 | hardeep | sound doesn't work (vmware limitation) but everything else is fine |
| 03:21:28 | * | JdGordon has something to do in his 2 hour lecture today |
| 03:21:55 | JdGordon | te image works with the new free vmware server thingy ye? |
| 03:22:03 | hardeep | no idea |
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| 03:39:19 | hockeyav | I'm running iPod Linux, and was wondering if I installed RockBox, would it overwrite my bootloader with it's own, or is there a way to add rockbox to my bootloader |
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| 03:53:15 | CloFan | Can someone help me with a iPod Rockbox problem? |
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| 03:56:23 | JdGordon | CloFan: your gonna have to just ask the question.. or its gonna stay very quiet in here... |
| 03:58:24 | CloFan | Heh.. alright. Well my problem is that while I'm listening to music, the hard drive is constantly being accessed. This can't be good for battery life, and I'm sure a small jolt will go a long way if it's moving all the time. |
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| 03:59:19 | JdGordon | there is an option to set how long untill the disk powers down |
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| 04:00:32 | CloFan | I have it set to 4s. That is seconds, correct? It definitely keeps spinning after 4 seconds because I can feel it moving in my hand |
| 04:01:09 | JdGordon | which ipod? |
| 04:01:20 | CloFan | 4G greyscale |
| 04:01:36 | JdGordon | your not using the patch so its uses 64mb of ram instead of 32 are u? |
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| 04:02:53 | CloFan | I'm not sure.. I followed these instructions exactly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation and haven't done anything else to it |
| 04:03:02 | JdGordon | anyway, it just means its taking too long to fill the buffer, so the disk doesnt actually get a chance to spin down. im pretty sure its a know "bug" |
| 04:04:36 | CloFan | Oh I see. Does the patch you're talking about fix it, or has the issue not been resolved? |
| 04:06:32 | JdGordon | no, that patch makes it worse :p |
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| 04:49:20 | KylePV | I don't know if this was reported yet but the latest change to CVS that was supposed to fix the tetrox preview area for iPod 5G, produces one still looking odd |
| 04:49:57 | KylePV | There seems to be a 4*4 block areaontop of the original preview area |
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| 06:00:14 | midkay | linuxstb: shouldn't Daniel Ankers be put in the credits for getting 3G playback working? |
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| 06:31:46 | muesli | midkay at least he highly deserves it ;) |
| 06:32:06 | midkay | muesli: agreed. probably just an oversight. :) |
| 06:32:11 | midkay | oh. |
| 06:32:14 | midkay | i get it. very funny. |
| 06:32:14 | midkay | :) |
| 06:32:38 | muesli | :) |
| 06:33:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3G playback is working? |
| 06:33:39 | midkay | front-page changelog.. |
| 06:34:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I hadn't read that yet. |
| 06:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm trying to figure out how to get this damnable phone to properly check my email without downloading 880 messages each time. |
| 06:34:52 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:34:59 | midkay | which phone? |
| 06:35:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cingular 2125, which is a rebranded something else, though I can't remember what at the moment |
| 06:36:22 | midkay | ah. looks nice. |
| 06:37:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I needed a phone that didn't have a hinge. I had three options. |
| 06:38:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | One had iTunes, one cost an obscenely large amount for the fact that it really didn't have anything but shiny buttons, and the third was this one. |
| 06:38:32 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: why not the shiny button one? |
| 06:38:33 | midkay | haha. "had iTunes". how putrid. |
| 06:38:56 | midkay | sharpe, because that was all you got for a lot of money - shiny buttons? |
| 06:38:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, Cingular offered an identical phone without iTunes for $150 less, apparently, but it was only available online so I'd have to wait and deal with them over the internet. |
| 06:39:05 | sharpe | shiny stuff is fun. |
| 06:39:07 | midkay | bah. |
| 06:39:27 | midkay | sharpe: gosh, that was such an unexpected, non-cliche statement! |
| 06:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, now I can have MP3s as ringtones and be like all the hip kids. Before I had to settle for midis. |
| 06:39:49 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:40:04 | midkay | you mean "now I can have MP3s as ringtones and be unlike sharpe." |
| 06:40:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if this phone supports midis, but highly doubts it. |
| 06:40:17 | dongs | where the fuck do electronics people hang out on irc |
| 06:40:29 | sharpe | midkay: it may've been expected, but it wasn't a cliché. |
| 06:40:38 | midkay | you could turn a MIDI into an MP3 or something anyways. |
| 06:40:38 | BHSPitLappy | dongs, afk. |
| 06:40:41 | dongs | i need some help programming slave fifo on ezusb fx2 |
| 06:40:44 | sharpe | midkay: what do you mean by that? |
| 06:40:57 | midkay | sharpe: nothing you'd understand. |
| 06:41:32 | sharpe | yeah. okay. |
| 06:44:44 | goffa | anyone have a 60gb ipod? |
| 06:44:56 | goffa | what kind of battery life do they typically get with rb |
| 06:45:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Check the IpodRuntime page, I think there's times there for 'em |
| 06:45:53 | goffa | ok |
| 06:47:21 | goffa | wow.. not so good |
| 06:48:13 | midkay | around like 8 hours, right.. |
| 06:48:21 | goffa | yeah |
| 06:48:42 | goffa | my x5l is doing much better with the july 13th or so fw on it |
| 06:49:18 | midkay | that's good.. |
| 06:49:24 | goffa | h140 needs to be rma'd.. waiting to hear back from iriver.. |
| 06:49:32 | goffa | thats getting like 20 hours or so |
| 06:50:22 | dongs | BHSPitLappy: waht? make sense plz |
| 06:51:04 | BHSPitLappy | they hang out away from the keyboard |
| 06:51:24 | midkay | dongs: he's telling you to go AFK like we all secretly want. |
| 06:51:41 | BHSPitLappy | ouch |
| 06:53:23 | dongs | midkay: im not laughing |
| 06:53:34 | scorche | dongs: i am |
| 06:53:35 | midkay | dongs: i'm not either. |
| 06:53:46 | midkay | i'm, in fact, serious. |
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| 06:59:47 | goffa | hmm... wonder if h140 is still the best value size/battery life/price wise (don't care about video) |
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| 08:26:51 | midkay_ | pong! |
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| 08:29:31 | LinusN | ding |
| 08:30:03 | JdGordon | wing? |
| 08:30:22 | scorche | now that i see some actualy people.. |
| 08:31:00 | scorche | are there any qualms about me removing the last entry in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 |
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| 08:31:50 | scorche | as far as i see...he does nothing but mention ipods in there (although his entry in x5 section is fine)...and his download link foes to the ipod builds |
| 08:32:21 | JdGordon | that wps page is for ipod tho also |
| 08:32:25 | JdGordon | its just named badly |
| 08:32:32 | scorche | o_O |
| 08:32:36 | midkay_ | " iRiver H3x0 & iPod Color/Photo WPS config file gallery" |
| 08:32:43 | midkay_ | dummy. :) |
| 08:33:05 | scorche | dont do drugs kids >_< |
| 08:33:34 | scorche | maybe now would be a good time to stop fixing/cleaning up the wiki... |
| 08:33:34 | midkay_ | haha. |
| 08:34:11 | JdGordon | although shouldnt the wps's on the wiki be required to not need any additional patches? |
| 08:35:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | If we do that, they'll just host the WPS offsite, and never bother to transfer it once it's finally supported. |
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| 09:13:41 | Slasheri | hmm, what is the correct way to read 32-bit timestamp from rtc on units with rtc? |
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| 09:23:09 | amiconn | Slasheri: There's get_time(), which returns a struct tm* |
| 09:23:16 | amiconn | No 32bit time stamps |
| 09:24:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, hmm. I just think what would be the best way to save the timestamp to the tagcache (last playtime) |
| 09:24:25 | Slasheri | and currently all numeric entries are 32-bit only |
| 09:24:44 | midkay | scorche? |
| 09:25:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: anyway, the timestamp needs to be numeric so it can be used as search condition also |
| 09:26:38 | petur | midkay: [09:16] *** scorche` [i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] |
| 09:26:49 | midkay | petur: −−> scorche (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox |
| 09:26:52 | midkay | :) |
| 09:26:53 | midkay | soon before. |
| 09:27:16 | midkay | maybe he's not around though. |
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| 09:27:34 | midkay | :o |
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| 09:33:20 | * | petur says nothing and takes third eye away from web client window :) |
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| 09:36:00 | midkay | haha. |
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| 09:53:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, what do you think about adding one function to timefuncs.c that just converts the tm to 32-bit value? |
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| 09:54:23 | Zagor | Slasheri: I'm in favor of that. it's usually called time(). |
| 09:54:49 | Slasheri | that sounds good then |
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| 09:55:19 | Slasheri | should it return Epoch time or some other rockbox defined timestamp? |
| 09:55:23 | Zagor | epoch |
| 09:55:50 | Zagor | we want to be posix compabile when possible |
| 09:56:26 | Zagor | I suggest looking at and perhaps copying the glibc implementation. |
| 09:56:45 | Slasheri | true, i will check that soon |
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| 10:26:24 | pondlife | Hi dev-guys...? |
| 10:26:47 | midkay | yes! |
| 10:26:48 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:27:03 | pondlife | I'm trying to investigate a reproducible crash (on the H300 and H300 sim at least). Details are on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5662 |
| 10:27:22 | pondlife | I keep getting pointers set to a magic value of 0x55555555 |
| 10:27:30 | pondlife | Is this a special value? |
| 10:27:46 | * | midkay steps back into the shadows as unnoticeably as possible. |
| 10:27:53 | pondlife | I assume unititialised memory? |
| 10:28:03 | pondlife | initialised that is... |
| 10:28:06 | * | scorche notices |
| 10:28:18 | * | pondlife had a bicycle accident and can't spell anymore |
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| 10:30:06 | LinusN | pondlife: looks like some kind of buffer overwrite or something |
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| 10:30:44 | obo | Slasheri: I have a mktime() function in my Audioscrobbler patch if you can't find anything better.... |
| 10:30:47 | pondlife | Yep, I feared as much |
| 10:30:50 | obo | Slasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 |
| 10:31:17 | pondlife | The .next entry is never set to that value (assuming GDB is reliable at spotting conditional breakpoints) |
| 10:32:17 | pondlife | This may be a long-standing issue, not a new one. But it's reproducible and only happens with DirCache on. |
| 10:32:44 | pondlife | I'll play with my config file (it seems very config dependent) and see if I can work out any more criteria. |
| 10:33:19 | pondlife | The config file attached to #5662 should repro it for anyone else who wants to look... ;-) |
| 10:34:17 | pondlife | Sadly I haven't got much time at the moment as have been off work after aforementioned bicycle accident, so need to catch up on real work for the next day or 2. |
| 10:34:39 | petur | hope it wasn't too bad ? |
| 10:34:46 | pondlife | Nah, mainly teeth lost |
| 10:34:56 | pondlife | 2 or 3 of them from the front top |
| 10:35:11 | pondlife | 2 now, maybe a 3rd later |
| 10:35:40 | petur | I got lucky some years ago and was only out for some weeks |
| 10:35:50 | petur | biking can be dangerous |
| 10:36:13 | petur | were you hit by a car? |
| 10:37:00 | pondlife | Yep |
| 10:37:18 | pondlife | He turned into me, hit me very slowly, but enough to knock me off. |
| 10:37:27 | pondlife | No broken bones, luckily |
| 10:37:48 | petur | I hope they looked after you, when I got hit they first checked their car :/ |
| 10:37:48 | pondlife | Just dentists. I really enjoy dentistry :( |
| 10:38:24 | pondlife | They were ok. Seemed in as much shock as me I think. But it's a bit blurry from here. |
| 10:38:54 | pondlife | I think I broke the bit of my brain that handles C. |
| 10:39:07 | pondlife | I might only be able to code in Visual Basic from now |
| 10:39:13 | pondlife | urrgh. |
| 10:39:13 | petur | or java :) |
| 10:39:49 | pondlife | Nah. Java would be too exciting. |
| 10:40:45 | pondlife | Anyways, gotta get on with the day job |
| 10:42:05 | petur | same here |
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| 10:46:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know how much of an improvement your bit handling optimisations are? |
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| 10:50:47 | Genre9mp3 | ok...I have the Ondio now in my hands... |
| 10:51:13 | Genre9mp3 | I'm impressed by how tiny and light it is.... |
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| 10:52:15 | Genre9mp3 | Unfortunately it seems that something is going wrong |
| 10:52:39 | Genre9mp3 | I put some alkalines, powered it on and now I'm stack in a splash screen |
| 10:53:13 | Genre9mp3 | It says Archos Ondio, Ondio SP, OS Version: 1.32b |
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| 10:53:36 | Genre9mp3 | The manual says that it should go to the menu |
| 10:53:42 | Genre9mp3 | But it does not... |
| 10:54:04 | synfx | um, just to make sure i'm not about to do something bad: |
| 10:54:06 | synfx | C:\Documents and Settings\Tim\Desktop\rockbox-nano>ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin |
| 10:54:06 | synfx | Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color... |
| 10:54:24 | Genre9mp3 | And inserting the USB cable has no effect... |
| 10:54:28 | Genre9mp3 | any ideas? |
| 10:55:31 | Genre9mp3 | The weird thing is that it doesn't hang, I can shutt it off |
| 10:55:59 | linuxstb | synfx: Yes, that's fine. |
| 10:56:03 | Genre9mp3 | But only thing I get is the splash screen |
| 10:56:31 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: You haven't installed Rockbox yet then? |
| 10:56:50 | Genre9mp3 | No I havent, just got it in my hands |
| 10:57:19 | linuxstb | Can you access it at all via USB? e.g. insert the USB cable first, then boot (I've never used an Ondio...) |
| 10:58:14 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: That worked, thanx! |
| 10:58:32 | Genre9mp3 | I have USB Access... |
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| 10:58:47 | Genre9mp3 | My heart went to its original position |
| 10:59:07 | Genre9mp3 | Oh, there is a Barry White Track in there |
| 10:59:18 | synfx | linuxstb: thanks |
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| 11:00:23 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 11:02:51 | Genre9mp3 | Hmmmm...the thing is, if I don't have access to the retailOS, how am I supposed to flash it? |
| 11:03:07 | * | Genre9mp3 tries to figure out what's wrong |
| 11:03:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the Retail bootloader should load the file-based version of Rockbox anyway, right? |
| 11:03:43 | scorche | yes |
| 11:03:48 | ravon | Where does the X5 stand in terms of speed compared to the other Rockboxified players? |
| 11:04:05 | scorche | ravon: define speed |
| 11:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Speed? |
| 11:04:21 | petur | ravon: it has the same cpu as irivers |
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| 11:04:27 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know nothing about Rockbox installation on Archos...I'll start reading |
| 11:04:32 | ravon | scorche: Ability to decode a given format |
| 11:04:45 | ravon | Not optimized for a specific platform. |
| 11:04:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: For all practical purposes, it's like an iRiver or iPod *after* the bootloader is installed. |
| 11:05:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Rockbox itself can then flash itself on the Archos targets. |
| 11:05:48 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I suppose it works like that, but currently I get stuck on retailOS splash screen |
| 11:06:03 | Genre9mp3 | and I cannot figure why |
| 11:06:10 | LinusN | ravon: the x5 is comparable to the iriver h100 and h300 platforms |
| 11:06:21 | ravon | LinusN: So one could say average? |
| 11:06:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Have you extracted Rockbox to the HD and seen what happens? Also, what's it formatted? |
| 11:06:38 | ravon | Thanks :) |
| 11:07:27 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: FAT32 |
| 11:07:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: I didn't test the speedup, but there should be some. The block functions became smaller, and there's less stack usage for some of them |
| 11:08:20 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: The internal flash of the Ondio *must* be formatted FAT16 for the retail firmware to work |
| 11:08:36 | amiconn | This is mentioned in the (original) manual |
| 11:08:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to say "A tiny voice in my head is whispering Fat16, but I don't know where it came from." |
| 11:08:58 | synfx | hmm |
| 11:09:02 | synfx | rockbox works :D |
| 11:09:06 | amiconn | Flash media is almost always formatted FAT16 (except if it's larger than 2GB) |
| 11:09:11 | synfx | (duh, but yay) |
| 11:09:24 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: s/HD/flash/ |
| 11:09:35 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: thanx, so this is the reason why retailOS never starts |
| 11:09:56 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I need retailOS to flash it with Rockbox, right? |
| 11:10:14 | amiconn | nope |
| 11:10:21 | amiconn | Retailos can't flash |
| 11:10:30 | * | Genre9mp3 is surprised! |
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| 11:10:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yeah, I knew it was flash. For some reason I tend to think of something's internal storage as an HD no matter what. It's a *really* bad habit I have. |
| 11:11:08 | Genre9mp3 | So I can run Rockbox without actually flash it? |
| 11:11:23 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:11:43 | amiconn | But I highly recommend flashing rockbox, as it gives 2 benefits |
| 11:11:53 | amiconn | (1) significantly faster boot |
| 11:12:20 | amiconn | (2) You can run rockbox directly from flash ROM, leaving more free RAM for buffering music and other stuff |
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| 11:12:59 | amiconn | The latter isn't that important on Ondio regarding to runtime (cause there's no spinup), but more RAM is useful in various other situations |
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| 11:14:39 | * | Genre9mp3 should read about Archos Installation |
| 11:15:26 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I don't plan to use the retailOS, should I format it to FAT16? |
| 11:18:59 | JdGordon | now that the multi-screen api has been added to the plugin struct, is there any plans to remove all the lcd functions from the plugin strcut to shrink it a bit and to "force" ppl to make use of the remote? |
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| 11:22:44 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That doesn't sound like a 5-minute job... (adjusting all plugins to the multi-screen API) |
| 11:22:53 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: yes |
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| 11:23:29 | JdGordon | no, its not, and im not suggesting it be done in 1 hit, but i just had a look, and nearly 50% of the plugin api is lcd functions which are all in the screens struct |
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| 11:24:25 | qwm | scorche`: get skype |
| 11:24:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: actually, with a decent enough script it could be a 5min job, its mostly just adding rb->screens[i]-> infront of the function calls. |
| 11:24:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Don't you mean screens[0] ? |
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| 11:24:56 | amiconn | There's no point in formatting a 128MB flash mem as FAT32, especially not when you store rather large files |
| 11:24:57 | qwm | scorche: get headphones |
| 11:25:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: thats only for the main screen. |
| 11:25:42 | linuxstb | Exactly. You can't just expect the plugins to work on the remote screen without any effort. |
| 11:25:46 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I just copied Rockbox files (still FAT32 though) and nothing happens |
| 11:25:48 | JdGordon | and to save typing iv got #define rbs(i) rb->screens[i] coz im lazy :) |
| 11:26:04 | qwm | scorche: having to push a button is such a bother, don't you think? |
| 11:26:21 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ye, i know, im tihnking long term would it be in the plans? |
| 11:26:22 | scorche | fine...i am getting heaphones |
| 11:26:49 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Of course not. How should retail load rockbox when it can't read fat32? |
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| 11:27:45 | Genre9mp3 | Oh yes, you mentioned that before... |
| 11:27:49 | Genre9mp3 | stupid me! |
| 11:28:10 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I can't think why anyone would be against it... |
| 11:29:04 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:29:12 | JdGordon | after 3.0 :p |
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| 11:33:22 | Genre9mp3 | Woohoo! |
| 11:33:44 | Genre9mp3 | I now have 2 Rockboxed DAPs! :) |
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| 11:34:50 | Genre9mp3 | (not flashed it yet, though) |
| 11:38:08 | chendo | i have personally pimped up 3 DAPs with rockbox |
| 11:38:25 | Genre9mp3 | Hmm...the little thing gets warmed easily |
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| 11:39:16 | * | amiconn has 7 rockboxes :) |
| 11:40:35 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: A common wish we make in Greece is: "Hope you make them a hundred" :) |
| 11:41:56 | Genre9mp3 | Weird name this ajbrec.ajz file |
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| 11:47:30 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: ajbrec probably stands for Archos JukeBox RECorder |
| 11:47:41 | amiconn | (the first archos using this boot file name) |
| 11:47:49 | amiconn | Dunno about the extension |
| 11:48:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: What's your opinion about a clock increase for PP5002? |
| 11:49:02 | * | amiconn suggests 36 and 90MHz |
| 11:50:34 | linuxstb | Are they rated higher than the PP5020s then? |
| 11:51:00 | linuxstb | I'm not even sure if CPU scaling is enabled for the 3gs yet though... |
| 11:52:38 | linuxstb | (checking the source, no it's not enabled) |
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| 12:04:14 | amiconn | LinusN: PP5002 is specced 90MHz, PP5020 is specced 80MHz, PP5022 is specced 100MHz. Dunno about the PP5021 (no product brief available) |
| 12:04:21 | amiconn | Erm, I mean linuxstb |
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| 12:07:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: Increasing the clock would seem sensible - assuming it doesn't generate too much heat. |
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| 12:21:04 | Mmmm | amiconn: long long ago we made a patch for the stop button in the WPS for the Irivers but you didnt commit it. The problem has come up again: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5291.0 |
| 12:21:16 | Mmmm | remember that? |
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| 12:27:48 | amiconn | Someone already pointed me to that yesterday |
| 12:28:21 | amiconn | I don't think there is a problem now... |
| 12:29:05 | Mmmm | really? |
| 12:29:19 | Mmmm | so what is the OP seeing? is he using an old build? |
| 12:30:48 | amiconn | A short press is supposed to stop playback. A (ordinary) long press does nothing afaik |
| 12:31:04 | * | amiconn isn't sure, because he _always_ stops before shutting down |
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| 12:32:37 | Mmmm | I thnk some people always do a long press to stop and so nothing happens...at least that is what you told me last time! :) |
| 12:38:02 | Slasheri | Mmmm: hmm, interesting.. there isn't so long time a go when i fixed that |
| 12:38:07 | Slasheri | but it seems to be broken again |
| 12:38:41 | Mmmm | Ha Ha...I know, its always changing back and forth....funny eh? |
| 12:39:00 | Mmmm | I put the patch in my last post |
| 12:40:07 | JdGordon | wooooot! dark tranquility is coming to aus :D |
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| 12:40:33 | Slasheri | Mmmm: actually there was a time where all three type of presses worked |
| 12:40:45 | Slasheri | i don't know what has happened to it now |
| 12:40:49 | Slasheri | *when |
| 12:41:30 | Mmmm | really? why did it change? Strange! |
| 12:41:50 | Slasheri | Mmmm: so that was the state iv) when it worked and then at state v) it was changed back to state ii) |
| 12:41:54 | Slasheri | :D |
| 12:42:40 | Slasheri | probably some other changes broke it |
| 12:43:09 | Mmmm | I didn't think it ever did all three at once.... You mean I missed out a state? |
| 12:43:17 | Mmmm | Madness! :D |
| 12:43:54 | Slasheri | hehe, yeah :D |
| 12:49:30 | Slasheri | Mmmm: i will try to remember fix that soon but can't just yet because tagcache code is in bad state |
| 12:50:20 | Mmmm | Can't you just apply that patch? |
| 12:50:44 | Mmmm | or do you think the problem runs deeper? |
| 12:51:19 | Slasheri | Hmm, i wonder if there really is a need for two PRE-states.. but i will look into that soon |
| 12:52:04 | Mmmm | OK :) |
| 12:55:18 | Slasheri | Mmmm: ah, yes.. that seems to be necessary |
| 12:56:13 | Slasheri | hmm, what about just (lastbutton & ~BUTTON_REPEAT) != WPS_EXIT_PRE |
| 12:56:20 | Slasheri | would that do the same thing? |
| 12:57:42 | Slasheri | then no need to add more PREs :) |
| 12:57:57 | * | Genre9mp3 is worried about his Ondio |
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| 12:58:25 | Genre9mp3 | It seems that it sucks battery juice more than it should... |
| 12:58:29 | qwm | scorche: the kiosk is based upon a kiosk in my neighborhood. :p |
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| 12:59:35 | Genre9mp3 | ..and it is quite warm I can say... (don't know how worm it should be though) |
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| 13:01:04 | Genre9mp3 | 15mins of MP# @ 128Kbps playback it went from 70% to 55% :( |
| 13:01:08 | Genre9mp3 | MP3 |
| 13:04:15 | amiconn | Seems like your Ondio suffers from a problem we already observed with some Ondios |
| 13:04:48 | Genre9mp3 | This is exactly what I am afraid of... :( |
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| 13:04:57 | amiconn | For some reason the main DC-DC converter starts drawing more power than usual, and gets pretty warm |
| 13:05:30 | amiconn | We used to think that the LT3440 chip sorta breaks, but this doesn't seem to be the (only?) problem |
| 13:06:07 | Genre9mp3 | It's a pity....but I guess you get what you pay |
| 13:06:17 | amiconn | My Ondio SP suffers from the same problem, but even though we changed the chip at devcon, the problem did persist |
| 13:06:38 | amiconn | So it's not (only) due to the chip. Maybe I'll change the coil next |
| 13:07:02 | Genre9mp3 | So, I suppose there's nothing I can do about it (without put my hands into the hardware) |
| 13:07:41 | * | Genre9mp3 is the first time that wishes he bought faulty alkalines |
| 13:07:51 | amiconn | Nope. Normally, the Ondio has a quite decent runtime. I get ~9 hours on 900mAh NiMH cells, and >10h with decent alkalines |
| 13:08:14 | amiconn | My Ondio SP only runs about 3 hours... |
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| 13:09:19 | Genre9mp3 | With a quick estimation It seems that I will get only 2 hours....hmph! :( |
| 13:09:21 | Mmmm | Slasheri: You mean as part of the if condition? I haven't come across that notation before, what does ~ do? |
| 13:10:49 | * | amiconn hopes to find a solution for this power-sucking problem |
| 13:10:54 | Genre9mp3 | I thimk that the seller _should_ mention this problem, don't you agree? |
| 13:10:54 | linuxstb | Mmmm: It's a bitwise NOT. i.e. it will clear the BUTTON_REPEAT bit, and then compare it with WPS_EXIT_PRE |
| 13:11:05 | amiconn | The coil is relatively easy to change (compared to the chip) |
| 13:11:11 | amiconn | Yes, he should |
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| 13:11:56 | Mmmm | linuxstb: slash: ooh clever...... |
| 13:12:08 | Genre9mp3 | Damn, It's like having something and don't having it at the same time! :( |
| 13:12:11 | amiconn | That is, if he is aware of the problem. The problem with retailos is that it doesn't reach the runtime figures archos promises, even without this defect |
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| 13:12:52 | amiconn | Archos promises up to 10 hours. With retailos you get more like 6...7 hours, on an intact Ondio |
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| 13:13:08 | Genre9mp3 | So you say this power draining problem affects mostly Rockbox? |
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| 13:14:35 | Mmmm | slash: (lastbutton & ~BUTTON_REPEAT) != WPS_EXIT_PRE it is then eh? |
| 13:14:44 | Mmmm | oh, hes gone! :D |
| 13:14:45 | amiconn | It's more visible in rockbox, because rockbox itself usually has better runtime. |
| 13:15:43 | Genre9mp3 | Oh... I thought you said that with a problematic Ondio you get 6-7 hours with original firmware |
| 13:15:49 | amiconn | Nope |
| 13:16:10 | amiconn | With an intact Ondio you get 6..7 hours in retail, and ~10 hours in rockbox |
| 13:16:21 | Genre9mp3 | Well, Rockbox made Archos promises real... |
| 13:16:26 | amiconn | With a problematic Ondio you'll get around 3 hours in both |
| 13:16:32 | Genre9mp3 | But my Ondio is incapable of this... :( |
| 13:17:39 | Genre9mp3 | It's a pity, because it's so light and tiny and I had very positive feelings when I first opened the box |
| 13:18:14 | Genre9mp3 | And I was planning on buying a 4GB MMC...now I don't know if it worths it... |
| 13:18:39 | Genre9mp3 | But I'll be sure to check with other alkalines, too |
| 13:18:43 | Genre9mp3 | ...just in case |
| 13:22:06 | amiconn | Well, we need to find a hardware fix. Then you can try to fix your Ondio as well |
| 13:22:30 | amiconn | The bad thing is that an intact Ondio can develop this problem. My Ondio SP did |
| 13:23:02 | * | amiconn is afraid that his or pixelma's Ondio FM could also develop the problem. |
| 13:24:56 | Genre9mp3 | This problem only happens on Ondio's? |
| 13:25:13 | Genre9mp3 | Does this ever happened to a Player/Recorder? |
| 13:25:36 | amiconn | Ondio only |
| 13:25:49 | amiconn | The recorders and players have different DC-DC converters |
| 13:26:42 | linuxstb | Speaking of hardware issues, my Recorder v1 makes worrying clicking sounds when I turn it on, and has done for a long time. I think it's from the hard disk, but it seems to still be working fine. |
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| 13:27:33 | * | Genre9mp3 is left out with an irritating semi-satisfy feeling |
| 13:28:47 | Genre9mp3 | 40mins of playback > -30% battery...it seems that it's exactly the same problem |
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| 13:29:26 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: At least the Hard Disk is easily replacable |
| 13:29:40 | Genre9mp3 | And you can find everywhere 2,5 inch HDDs |
| 13:29:53 | linuxstb | Yep, and by a much larger one as well. (I still have the original 20GB) |
| 13:31:04 | LinusN | linuxstb: it may very well be the batteries |
| 13:31:20 | * | Genre9mp3 thinks that if I attempt to fix my Ondio, I should somehow find a replacement chip |
| 13:31:39 | Genre9mp3 | not to mention that I don't have soldering experience |
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| 13:32:54 | linuxstb | LinusN: You mean a lose connection? I've used various different batteries during the lifetime of the clicks... |
| 13:33:02 | linuxstb | ^loose |
| 13:33:20 | LinusN | could be a symptom of loose connections |
| 13:33:46 | linuxstb | That would make most sense now I think about it - the LCD backlight flickers a little sometimes as well. |
| 13:34:15 | LinusN | the most common symptoms of loose connectors are startup problems and hd clicking |
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| 13:34:40 | amiconn | The chip isn't that easy to replace (10-lead MSOP package) |
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| 13:35:03 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I can imagine.. |
| 13:35:30 | LinusN | takes some patience, skill and proper equipment |
| 13:35:31 | amiconn | LinusN: My recorder v1 does also sometimes click on boot/spinup, but I couldn't find any loose connections |
| 13:36:06 | LinusN | amiconn: weird |
| 13:37:33 | amiconn | I even resoldered all battery connectors anyway, and put in new 2700mAh cells, which sit very tight |
| 13:38:01 | linuxstb | Do you still have the original HD? |
| 13:38:06 | LinusN | well, a clicking hd *might* also be an hd problem |
| 13:38:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, I've put it into my Studio. Works perfectly there |
| 13:39:23 | Genre9mp3 | BTW, speaking of Ondios... I can't understand why Archos didn't put a backlight at all since 1)there is space for it and 2) it's completely necessary at some situations |
| 13:39:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: So the same drive clicks in the recorder, but not in your Studio? |
| 13:39:59 | linuxstb | (or are you using a different drive in the recorder now/) |
| 13:40:00 | linuxstb | ? |
| 13:40:28 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: The Ondio PCB is even prepared for an EL backlight, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight |
| 13:40:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: Different drive (80GB) |
| 13:41:15 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Thanks, I am aware of this mod |
| 13:42:03 | Genre9mp3 | It's funny that the SP and FM use exactly the same shell |
| 13:42:30 | Genre9mp3 | There's a little mic opening while there is no mic |
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| 13:43:28 | Genre9mp3 | And a round "tap" where the line-in is on OndioFMs |
| 13:44:37 | amiconn | Yes. The round tap is actually a hole, and there's a case-coloured dummy placed between the 2 PCBs where the FM has the line-in socket |
| 13:45:26 | Genre9mp3 | What I like, is the button configuration... less buttons of course compared to H300 but pretty similar navigation configuration |
| 13:45:31 | amiconn | They even placed the parallel port buffer chip on the SP PCB which is only used for recording transfer from the MAS to the CPU |
| 13:46:07 | amiconn | So if you add a mic and a line-in socket, it would be possible to add wav recording on Ondio SP in rockbox |
| 13:46:56 | Genre9mp3 | Haha...3 pending mods already and I just got it in my hands! :P |
| 13:47:54 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Since you have an OndioFM, have you used it for recording? |
| 13:48:21 | amiconn | Only for testing |
| 13:48:34 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder if OndioFM power the mic or not.. |
| 13:49:56 | Genre9mp3 | Once, they gave me a T30 for test recording, and I was dissapointed by the fact I had to use it with self-powered mics only |
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| 13:50:38 | Genre9mp3 | Unlike H100/H300 that AFAIK the provide 2,5volts to the mics |
| 13:52:00 | petur | heh, the guys at taperssection.com would rather not have plug power :) |
| 13:52:24 | Genre9mp3 | petur: why? |
| 13:53:33 | petur | it's useless for them and limits the number of mics you can use (they fear some self powered mics won't like the power) |
| 13:53:55 | petur | haven't asked them if they are sure or if it's just a feeling they have |
| 13:55:12 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Oh, you are talking about the H100/H300 |
| 13:55:32 | Genre9mp3 | I think that self-powered mics don't have problems with that |
| 13:56:08 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: The Ondio has a line in, not a mic in |
| 13:56:26 | amiconn | If you want to connect an external mic, you'll need a mic amplifier |
| 13:57:14 | Genre9mp3 | What's the difference between a line-in and a mic-in? The power? |
| 13:58:57 | Genre9mp3 | petur: This guy here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=4980 has used the Sony ECM-717 which is self-powered with his H100 and had no problems |
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| 14:00:05 | Zagor | I have now set access requirement for viewing diffs in twiki. some moron is spidering every single revision. |
| 14:00:20 | petur | Genre9mp3: them guys at taperssection talk about $500+ mics and consider the irivers very low end |
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| 14:01:23 | amiconn | The H100 input is a combined mic/line input. The archos input is a pure line-in |
| 14:01:39 | amiconn | It's not sensitive enough to handle microphone levels |
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| 14:03:46 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Probably because of the built-in amp... Some people find it a bit noisy |
| 14:04:09 | Genre9mp3 | for silent recordings at least |
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| 14:08:49 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: With adding a mic I meant an internal mic, like the one in the Ondio FM |
| 14:11:08 | A_M | Hey folks! I could use some help in regard to this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5344.0 Is it really meant to be possible to define sublines inside conditionals in WPS code? |
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| 14:13:35 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Yes I understood that, I was just then wondered about the line-in (if it was similar to the irivers) |
| 14:13:47 | LinusN | A_M: not sure |
| 14:14:08 | LinusN | A_M: are you andreas mattsson? |
| 14:14:12 | A_M | yup |
| 14:14:26 | LinusN | i believe there is a bug in your patch |
| 14:14:39 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/gui/gwps-common.c.diff?r1=1.54&r2=1.55 |
| 14:14:53 | LinusN | Line 1669 |
| 14:15:07 | LinusN | did you really mean to replace that with reset_subline? |
| 14:15:57 | A_M | hmm... I think not |
| 14:15:59 | LinusN | i believe that is the problem he is having |
| 14:16:31 | LinusN | if i correct that line, the battery icon is back |
| 14:16:57 | LinusN | was just about to commit it when i discovered the alternating sublines problem you asked about |
| 14:17:08 | LinusN | i'm sitting in gdb as we speak |
| 14:17:27 | Genre9mp3 | This only happens with engineer wps? |
| 14:18:07 | Genre9mp3 | at least from the bundled ones... |
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| 14:21:01 | A_M | forgive me for being such a rockbox dev noob, but what is gdb? |
| 14:21:38 | _FireFly_ | gdb is the unix debugger |
| 14:21:48 | A_M | ok |
| 14:21:50 | _FireFly_ | gdb = gnu debugger |
| 14:22:16 | Genre9mp3 | Just checked engineer code, is t0.25 subline time valid? |
| 14:22:47 | Genre9mp3 | I thought it should be at 1/10sec steps |
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| 14:23:32 | A_M | I tried changing line 1669 back myself aswell, and the icon is indeed back and the fix still works (the problem I wrote the patch for is no longer there). |
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| 14:28:07 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 14:28:26 | cerf | nothing like cinnamon toast crunch in the morning |
| 14:28:41 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: you are correct |
| 14:29:21 | Topic | "Feature freeze lifted - read the mailing list" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 14:29:56 | LinusN | let the promiscuous committing begin! |
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| 14:30:23 | midkay_ | what mailing list post? :) |
| 14:30:25 | izzledizzler | hi |
| 14:30:32 | izzledizzler | does the latest rockbox have tag cache working? |
| 14:31:09 | | Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 14:31:24 | scorche | I SEE NTOHIGN INT HE MAILING LIST... |
| 14:31:27 | scorche | errr.. |
| 14:31:33 | Zagor | it takes a few minutes before the mail is delivered to everyone. it's a big list. |
| 14:31:34 | scorche | ugh...caps and typos >_> |
| 14:31:44 | scorche | i am looking on the site itself |
| 14:32:30 | cerf | time to drop the kids off at the pool |
| 14:32:32 | cerf | brb |
| 14:32:39 | Zagor | scorche: the site archive is just another member of the mailing list. it gets no special treatment. |
| 14:34:08 | * | obo thinks his build server is going to cry ;) |
| 14:34:51 | midkay_ | Zagor: awesome, and makes complete sense to me. :) |
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| 14:35:03 | scorche | seconded |
| 14:35:07 | linuxstb | Zagor: It's sad news, but I agree it's the right thing to do. |
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| 14:35:47 | Genre9mp3 | feature freeze lifted? |
| 14:35:47 | * | petur keeps hitting F5 on the mailing list archive page |
| 14:35:57 | scorche | glad i stayed up to see it =) |
| 14:35:57 | * | Genre9mp3 does that, too |
| 14:36:06 | obo | Genre9mp3: yes |
| 14:36:07 | midkay_ | SEe it? |
| 14:36:08 | midkay_ | or HEAR it. |
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| 14:36:24 | * | scorche got it read to him by midkay like a bedtime story |
| 14:36:31 | scorche | g'night =) |
| 14:36:31 | midkay | :D |
| 14:36:36 | midkay | nighto, scorche. |
| 14:37:11 | scorche | petur: "reload every" is a good extrention =) |
| 14:37:59 | qwx | wait scorche |
| 14:39:00 | obo | will 3.0 be extended for newer targets (ipods, iaudios), or will it still follow the existing 3.0 and 3.1 plan? |
| 14:39:42 | Genre9mp3 | So, does this means that we are relesing today? |
| 14:39:43 | Zagor | obo: well the plan is sort of in the air right now, since we failed to follow it. we'll have to see what happens the coming weeks/month |
| 14:39:44 | midkay | i personally think that already the iPods and iAudios are working quite well that when the release happens, probably in a few months, they'd probably be doing just fine... |
| 14:39:49 | Zagor | Genre9mp3: no |
| 14:40:44 | scorche | qwx: ? |
| 14:40:47 | midkay | zagor: time for a front-page news post? |
| 14:40:59 | qwx | scorche: want album list? |
| 14:41:03 | Zagor | midkay: indeed |
| 14:41:15 | izzledizzler | does anyone know about tag cache? |
| 14:41:16 | scorche | qwx: would love it |
| 14:41:21 | linuxstb | midkay: You know I disagree with that :) The ipod port is a _long_ way from being release quality: 1) battery life; 2) skipping during playback; 3) Missing hardware support - no recording, no accessory support, no firewire support, etc etc etc |
| 14:41:22 | Zagor | i'll just wait until the mail is in the archive |
| 14:41:26 | qwx | scorche: ah. i'll make one for you then. :p |
| 14:41:44 | obo | iaudio is closer isn't it? |
| 14:41:48 | midkay | linuxstb: right, battery life.. :) skipping is pretty global a problem, no? scrolling fast on irivers isn't a problem? :o |
| 14:41:59 | qwx | scorche: then you'll pick albums you want, i'll pack them into a neat rar, and dcc send it to you! |
| 14:42:17 | midkay | we want *accessory support* and recording for an iPod release? that's a surprise to me.. |
| 14:42:20 | scorche | qwx: may i sleep now? =) |
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| 14:42:32 | qwx | scorche: of course.. sleep well, silly american. :p |
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| 14:42:38 | JdGordon | comiserations and congratulations all.. |
| 14:42:53 | linuxstb | midkay: The skipping problem is an order of magnitude worse on the ipods - at least on the irivers, you can use the EQ, crossfeed etc at the same time as MP3 decoding. |
| 14:43:02 | midkay | ah, that's good at least.. |
| 14:43:06 | midkay | well, i suppose we'll see. :) |
| 14:43:12 | linuxstb | I've never experienced skips on my h140. |
| 14:43:21 | linuxstb | (apart from with AAC) |
| 14:43:22 | qwm | linuxstb: could you explain the origin of your nick? i'm curious. :p |
| 14:44:02 | LinusN | has the battery animation in engineeer2 ever worked as i think the author intended? |
| 14:44:11 | midkay | linuxstb: BTW, did you see what i wrote earlier asking about whether Daniel Ankers not being credited for his 3G discovery was an oversight or intentional? |
| 14:44:14 | linuxstb | I started and abandoned a sourceforge project related to DVB software on Sourceforge many moons ago, and linuxstb (Linux Set-Top Box) was the name of that project. The name followed be to Rockbox when Rockbox was hosted on Sourceforge. |
| 14:45:04 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: Probably but very slowly (using default 2sec time) |
| 14:45:28 | LinusN | the timing is allright, but the animation is not |
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| 14:48:22 | cerf | anyone know where i can get a new h140 other than ebay or nulime ? |
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| 14:48:50 | LinusN | looks like wps sublines in conditionals is a no-no |
| 14:49:55 | A_M | yup, as far as I can see lines are split into sublines before conditionals or any other tags are parsed. |
| 14:49:59 | pixelma | I tried that once (sublines in conditionals) having trouble though I don't remember what it was |
| 14:50:39 | linuxstb | midkay: Yes, I did see that. I hadn't considered adding him to the credits - he didn't contribute any actual code or bugfixes, but his debugging and testing pointed me in the right direction to spot the bug and he confirmed that my fix worked. But people have probably been added to the credits for less, so I'm happy either way. |
| 14:51:08 | TeaSea | cerf: Nowhere. |
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| 14:51:17 | TeaSea | H140s don't get made. |
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| 14:51:41 | midkay | linuxstb: ah, i see.. i guess it's not a big deal, but IMO he deserves to be there. |
| 14:51:49 | cerf | i know... figured there were some still floating around out there |
| 14:52:09 | dan_a | midkay: (being the person in question) I don't mind if I don't appear in the credits at the moment. |
| 14:52:40 | midkay | dan_a: ah, hello.. :) understood.. i'm just kind of anal about giving people credit. :) |
| 14:53:02 | dan_a | I'm hoping I'll have some useful bugfixes before long :) |
| 14:53:27 | midkay | well, majorly contributing to fixing audio playback is quite a nice one. :) |
| 14:53:51 | * | dan_a blushes |
| 14:54:16 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, someone should add Paul_The_Nerd... |
| 14:55:41 | linuxstb | dan_a: You're in the credits now :) |
| 14:56:14 | * | petur gives the mailing list archive an angry look |
| 14:56:16 | midkay | why didn't you add paul_the_nerd ffs!!!?!!! :) |
| 14:56:30 | linuxstb | Separate commit... |
| 14:56:38 | linuxstb | Give me chance :) |
| 14:56:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 14:56:42 | midkay | :D |
| 14:56:58 | linuxstb | And I've forgotten his real name... |
| 14:57:08 | midkay | paul.. uh.. |
| 14:57:12 | cerf | now you're goting to have to give midkay credit for getting dan credit |
| 14:57:16 | midkay | paul.. something.. |
| 14:57:18 | pixelma | louden |
| 14:57:21 | midkay | cerf: too late, way up on the list. :D |
| 14:57:23 | lou | what? |
| 14:57:26 | lou | oh |
| 14:57:28 | lou | nm |
| 14:57:35 | cerf | and now me for getting midkay for getting dan |
| 14:57:37 | pixelma | Paul Louden - I think |
| 14:57:39 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 14:57:41 | midkay | yeah. louden. |
| 14:57:43 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes - I've just checked IRCNicks |
| 14:57:44 | lou | stop |
| 14:57:48 | lou | highlighting |
| 14:57:48 | lou | me |
| 14:57:49 | lou | now |
| 14:57:54 | lou | ~:( |
| 14:58:01 | midkay | haha. |
| 14:58:19 | Genre9mp3 | lounge :P |
| 14:58:38 | * | lou disables soundfile when his nick is used in IRC |
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| 15:00:34 | cerf | i really hate when you are seeding something and everyone bails as soon as they get to 100 and i get stuck with a gusy with 2% of a 4gb file |
| 15:00:43 | cerf | at a 10k upload speed |
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| 15:04:10 | obo | Zagor: FYI - if I try and view a diff on the wiki, then cancel the login box, I get a page with just "{ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration" on it |
| 15:04:29 | Zagor | yeah, I noticed too. will fix. |
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| 15:04:55 | linuxstb | dan_a: BTW, I'm curious about your FLAC crashes - even if it's a dodgy FLAC file, I would like to prevent Rockbox crashing with it. Are you able to upload the file somewhere? |
| 15:05:22 | Genre9mp3 | Zagor: you sent the mail in rockbox-dev mailing list, right? |
| 15:05:44 | Zagor | I sent it to both |
| 15:06:10 | Genre9mp3 | Well, then the mailing-lists page is laggy |
| 15:06:30 | Zagor | there seems to be some snag with mailman, causing delay. gmane got both posts pretty quickly, but I still haven't gotten them myself |
| 15:07:15 | LinusN | "Gentlemen, start your compilers" :-) |
| 15:07:31 | dan_a | linuxstb: I only tried http://www.archive.org/download/mogwai2006-04-25.mbho.flac16/mogwai2006-04-25d1t02.flac once. |
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| 15:07:46 | cerf | mogwai! |
| 15:07:58 | dan_a | I'll have a bit more of a play later, I think there may be random crashes and device resets happening |
| 15:08:10 | dan_a | cerf: Indeed :D |
| 15:08:13 | cerf | there is a song that will test your eq |
| 15:08:24 | izzledizzler | do I choose 'initialize now' to get tagcache working? |
| 15:08:26 | cerf | it doesn't even matter which song |
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| 15:10:26 | amiconn | oh, hmm |
| 15:10:39 | * | amiconn thinks lifting the freeze isn't a good idea |
| 15:10:47 | * | LinusN is not surprised |
| 15:10:58 | Zagor | amiconn: hehe, I thought you'd say that :-) |
| 15:11:18 | * | petur finally gets the mail |
| 15:11:28 | Zagor | now it's in the archive too |
| 15:11:29 | izzledizzler | and is 'entries' in tagcache debug the number of songs? |
| 15:15:04 | linuxstb | dan_a: Did that FLAC file crash immediately, or did any audio play first? |
| 15:15:25 | linuxstb | (I understand you've only briefly tested FLAC) |
| 15:15:44 | PaulJam | btw, i have noticed, that since the commit for the wps-sublines the swapping time (for small values, e.g. %t0.6) became very inconsistent. I.e. before the patch the line "%t0.6 %xdr;%t0.6 %xdO" the bitmap always changed after the same amount of time, and after the patch it became somehow irregular |
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| 15:18:52 | CYPER^ | I have a question |
| 15:18:58 | dan_a | linuxstb: It doesn't seem to have crashed this time. It plays without skipping too. |
| 15:19:03 | LinusN | CYPER^: then ask |
| 15:19:19 | CYPER^ | can I safely delete these folders from the root: Calendars, Contacts & Notes |
| 15:19:23 | izzledizzler | is there a support channel of which I'm unaware? |
| 15:19:33 | CYPER^ | iPod 4G |
| 15:19:42 | dan_a | Oh, I just got a Data Abort by pressing the FFWD button |
| 15:19:51 | CYPER^ | they are left from the apple firmware I guess |
| 15:19:57 | LinusN | CYPER^: rockbox doesn't care about those |
| 15:20:01 | Zagor | izzledizzler: no, this is it. I'm sorry nobody is able to answer your question at this point. |
| 15:20:16 | CYPER^ | great :) |
| 15:20:24 | linuxstb | CYPER^: Yes, delete them. You can even delete ipod_control if you want to. |
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| 15:20:37 | CYPER^ | I will :D |
| 15:20:39 | linuxstb | (Apple's firmware will recreate them every time it's started though). |
| 15:20:49 | CYPER^ | there was iPod Control |
| 15:20:52 | CYPER^ | but now is gone |
| 15:20:55 | CYPER^ | I don't know why |
| 15:21:22 | LinusN | PaulJam: even with the latest cvs build? |
| 15:21:48 | PaulJam | LinusN: i have just updated, compiling now |
| 15:22:11 | izzledizzler | hrm, is msg.inf a rockbox file? |
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| 15:23:09 | LinusN | izzledizzler: no |
| 15:24:01 | LinusN | all rockbox files are in the .rockbox dir except for the rockbox binary |
| 15:24:14 | LinusN | (which should be moved to .rockbox too) |
| 15:25:15 | izzledizzler | thanks |
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| 15:27:09 | CYPER^ | move rockbox.ipod to .rockbox folder? |
| 15:28:35 | linuxstb | CYPER^: Yes - the bootloader checks both the root directory and .rockbox folder for a rockbox.ipod |
| 15:28:35 | petur | CYPER^: both are supported |
| 15:28:41 | LinusN | CYPER^: yes, i believe it's a good idea if all rockbox files would reside in the same directory |
| 15:29:13 | CYPER^ | great 10x :) I'll move it :) |
| 15:29:15 | LinusN | i guess now is a good time to change the zip file generation scripts |
| 15:29:36 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes, I was just thinking the same. The ipod bootloaders have always looked in .rockbox first, so that won't be a problem. |
| 15:29:46 | CYPER^ | also can I make it to show the artist on one screen and then on the next screen just the song names? |
| 15:30:08 | petur | I feel we need a separate directory for all the data (user config, game saves, user fm presets) |
| 15:30:24 | * | amiconn would have preferred to keep the freeze and have a proper 3.0 release rather than leaving the unfixed bugs unfixed and let even more stuff rush in |
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| 15:32:28 | Zagor | amiconn: how long would you freeze? we have no fixes on the horizon for some of the playback bugs, for instance |
| 15:32:31 | LinusN | the thing is that nobody has bothered/had time to fix said bugs |
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| 15:33:39 | LinusN | so the freeze would have continued for at least another month |
| 15:34:51 | izzledizzler | tagcacge works nicely |
| 15:34:55 | izzledizzler | cache, even. |
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| 15:37:23 | webguest85 | Linus, could you commit hardeeps latest revision, "playlist catalog" patch to cvs please, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5179 |
| 15:38:41 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders if we are going to have a commit-orgasm now that the freeze is lifted |
| 15:38:43 | linuxstb | I'm in two minds - it seems to me that the playback engine is going to need rewriting yet again (to unify it with hwcodec), so we don't really lose anything in the long-term by not having a stable playback engine today. |
| 15:38:57 | webguest85 | or any other dev, hardeep revised the patch on the 14th, |
| 15:39:03 | PaulJam | LinusN: it still happens with recent cvs. when i revert both commits the swapping time of the bitmap is stable again. (i have only tested with the simulator) |
| 15:39:24 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:39:25 | CYPER^ | Another question: how can I make the volume to be shown from 0 to 100 or at least in more meaningful way with numbers |
| 15:39:50 | CYPER^ | cause now is from -74 to +6 |
| 15:40:30 | Genre9mp3 | CYPER^: You can make it from 0 to 10 by altering a WPS |
| 15:40:31 | * | webguest85 points to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5179 pretty please |
| 15:40:32 | LinusN | webguest85: funny, that patch was the first i had a look at after the lift, a few minutes ago |
| 15:40:44 | webguest85 | hehe, wonderfull, thank you |
| 15:40:57 | CYPER^ | Genre9mp3 is it difficult? :) |
| 15:41:12 | Zagor | CYPER^: the values are decibel |
| 15:41:21 | linuxstb | CYPER^: The -74 to +6 refers to the gain in dB - the only meaningful value when dealing with volume. |
| 15:41:28 | CYPER^ | any idea which file should I edit? |
| 15:41:42 | Genre9mp3 | CYPER^: The .wps file you use... |
| 15:41:52 | CYPER^ | yeah I realize that, but my mom won't be happy with it :) |
| 15:41:55 | Genre9mp3 | open it with a text editor |
| 15:42:15 | linuxstb | CYPER^: You can also remove the numbers completely and use a WPS with a volume icon. |
| 15:42:33 | CYPER^ | I prefer numbers: for volume and for the battery meter even :) |
| 15:42:48 | CYPER^ | Ok I'll see what I can do :) |
| 15:43:11 | Genre9mp3 | CYPER^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 15:43:38 | Genre9mp3 | there's a good start to get familiar with the wps code |
| 15:43:38 | CYPER^ | one more question hehe: with the apple firmware when you press the middle button while playing then you can seek with the click wheel |
| 15:43:51 | CYPER^ | here you have to hold the left/right |
| 15:44:18 | CYPER^ | can I seek with the click wheel here as well? |
| 15:44:33 | webguest85 | thanks folks |
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| 15:46:27 | linuxstb | CYPER^: No, but the REW/FFWD buttons have customisable accelleration instead - so you can seek through long files very quickly that way. |
| 15:46:54 | CYPER^ | I found that in the settings :) |
| 15:47:49 | linuxstb | But using the wheel for seeking has been mentioned before, so maybe someone will implement it. |
| 15:47:57 | amiconn_ | Zagor: So what's the problem if the freeze goes on another month? |
| 15:48:01 | CYPER^ | it will be nice :) |
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| 15:48:34 | amiconn_ | The problem with lifting the freeze is that it becomes even less likely the bugs will ever be fixed |
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| 15:49:14 | amiconn | So (taking it to the extreme) we'll have a super-duper rockbox one day, but still no non-archos release |
| 15:49:14 | Zagor | I disagree. If after three months we still haven't been able to fix the bugs, what says another three months will help? |
| 15:49:22 | CYPER^ | also there are some themes, that were installed by default - and the look ugly, cause some small icons are not where they are supposed to be: for example the volume icon is behind the seek bar |
| 15:50:04 | bluebrother | CYPER^, install the fonts package. |
| 15:50:05 | Zagor | as I wrote in the mail, a freeze without "light at the end of the tunnel" is very boring and turns away new developers who can't get their patches even evaluated. |
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| 15:51:42 | Zagor | I much prefer having fun than having a release, if we have to choose one over the other |
| 15:52:26 | foRza | What's the difference between Ipod Mini 1st gen and 2nd gen? |
| 15:52:36 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 15:52:56 | izzledizzler | is a patch the only solution to scrolling acceleration onthe iPod at the moment? |
| 15:53:25 | CYPER^ | how can I use the iPod while connected to the PC? |
| 15:54:05 | PaulJam | izzledizzler: you could use one of the precompiled experimental builds in the forums. |
| 15:54:14 | goffa | ahhhhh... feels much... warmer in here :) |
| 15:56:46 | JdGordon | amiconn: what about offering a semi-bounty to get the bugs fixed, e.g for every real bug fixed the person who fixes it can choose a patch that they would like commited but the core devs are indifferent to the patch, commited? |
| 15:56:55 | goffa | heh.. now hopefully someone will develop the one button queuing |
| 15:57:02 | CYPER^ | also can I put a font of my choice? Any font? |
| 15:57:08 | CYPER^ | like Verdana or Comic Sans? |
| 15:57:43 | LinusN | CYPER^: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
| 15:58:19 | LinusN | JdGordon: haha |
| 15:58:45 | JdGordon | that of course wouldnt motivate anyone with comit rights tho :p |
| 15:58:46 | goffa | i will say that switching tree_run and tree_wps was a big help |
| 15:58:54 | LinusN | so for every bug fixed, we can commit a crappy patch to introduce 5 more bugs? |
| 15:59:16 | goffa | it solves the accidential queing of a dir |
| 15:59:25 | CYPER^ | LinusN so I convert a regular font with tha program and then upload to the player? |
| 15:59:38 | goffa | i think it should be default |
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| 16:00:04 | LinusN | no, then you convert the bdf font to the rockbox .fnt format, then you upload it to the player |
| 16:01:03 | CYPER^ | 10x :) |
| 16:01:13 | cerf | only 10 ? |
| 16:01:15 | cerf | sad |
| 16:01:20 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, something like that |
| 16:01:33 | bluebrother | what exactly does the "playlist catalog" do? |
| 16:01:45 | bluebrother | list all playlists on the device? |
| 16:01:57 | izzledizzler | can I just copy across tagcache files? |
| 16:02:00 | LinusN | it keeps acatalog of your favourite playlists and lets you add files to them easily |
| 16:02:04 | izzledizzler | when using a new build |
| 16:02:22 | bluebrother | sounds nice. |
| 16:02:56 | LinusN | bluebrother: one of my favourite features |
| 16:03:03 | LinusN | finally in cvs |
| 16:04:21 | izzledizzler | bizarre. where else are settings stored apart from in .rockbox? |
| 16:04:23 | linuxstb | foRza: The difference between the two minis is basically two different CPUs (PP5020 on the 1st gen, PP5022 on the 2nd gen) and different button hardware. |
| 16:04:43 | bluebrother | izzledizzler, in an unused block on disk |
| 16:07:42 | izzledizzler | I stuck on a new build and I'm getting tagcache errors, so it must be enabled somewhere |
| 16:07:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: The LCD hookup is also different between mini g1 and g2 |
| 16:08:27 | amiconn | (true 16bit access on g2, and split into 2 8bit accesses on g1) |
| 16:08:51 | izzledizzler | I had tagcache enabled on my previous build, but this one shouldn't have it.. |
| 16:09:07 | bluebrother | izzledizzler, try cleaning the settings on boot |
| 16:11:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ah, I didn't know that. |
| 16:12:23 | * | linuxstb suspects the manual writers will be busy in the next few days as well... |
| 16:12:37 | Febs | Ha ha! |
| 16:13:09 | Febs | Actually, I'll be traveling for business starting tomorrow, so I should have some downtime on airplanes and in hotels. I might be able to get some updates done. |
| 16:13:18 | JdGordon | on the topic of new features... can i request http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 be commited? both should be synced and ready to go, 2808 will reset settings tho :p |
| 16:13:34 | amiconn | tsk |
| 16:14:52 | goffa | nice picks JdGordon |
| 16:15:51 | JdGordon | also the remaining patches from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 which add support for the remote, pretty please :D |
| 16:16:01 | lou | hopefully someone will start to work on my laserbeams-from-usb-adapter addon for the ipod |
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| 16:16:45 | izzledizzler | for some reason I still get 'no files' when I boot the build |
| 16:16:53 | izzledizzler | tagcache must be on or something. |
| 16:18:18 | LinusN | JdGordon: wouldn't it be better to address the #ifdef hell before committing those patches? |
| 16:19:24 | JdGordon | which? |
| 16:19:36 | LinusN | the remote patches |
| 16:19:52 | LinusN | or are they unaffected by the ifdef hell? |
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| 16:20:54 | JdGordon | they add slightly to it, in the button code only, and i dont really see the ifdef hell going in the near future... add the patch more so the remote is usable in 99% of the ui. |
| 16:21:07 | * | JdGordon possibly is not making much sence as he needs sleep |
| 16:21:50 | Mmmm | Is someone saying my patches have #ifdef hell?? ;) |
| 16:21:54 | LinusN | i see two patches to the virtual keyboard in the tracker |
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| 16:23:16 | amiconn | Well, since the freeze is now lifted ( :// ) we should go ahead and implement the button action system |
| 16:23:52 | LinusN | definitely |
| 16:23:58 | goffa | you mean the one i've been begging for? |
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| 16:28:43 | izzledizzler | what does it do? |
| 16:30:43 | LinusN | the button action system is an internal system for handling the problem of having multiple buttons do the same action (main keypad, different types of remotes) |
| 16:31:19 | JdGordon | .. or simply put, instead of checking if the off button was pushed, you'd check if the exit action was called |
| 16:31:51 | LinusN | it's a really old idea, but never really took off |
| 16:32:08 | JdGordon | or, instead of having to worry about weather u held a button down, the system would do that for you |
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| 16:38:58 | goffa | ah... i guess i'll keep waiting then :) |
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| 17:21:18 | obo | Zagor: Bagder: The CVS builds page is missing a rockbox.zip entry at the bottom for the 3g |
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| 17:26:52 | RaeNye | Aloha |
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| 17:32:15 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 17:33:52 | RaeNye | Any alive dev 'round here? |
| 17:37:13 | deltron | how do I reset my ipod once I put the .zip on it? |
| 17:37:40 | petur | I hope you meant 'unzip the .zip on it' |
| 17:37:44 | deltron | yes |
| 17:37:45 | deltron | :P |
| 17:37:50 | linuxstb | deltron: Safely eject it from your computer, then if it doesn't reboot automatically, hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds. |
| 17:38:06 | linuxstb | ^eject and unplug |
| 17:38:18 | deltron | ah, right on |
| 17:39:01 | RaeNye | well, now that FF is lifted, I want my X5 patches comitted to CVS. Could you help? |
| 17:40:28 | linuxstb | RaeNye: Not sure who you're talking to, but I don't own an X5, so I would rather not commit any X5 patches - a) I can't test; and b) I don't know enough about that part of Rockbox to know if you're doing good things (although I'm sure you are...) |
| 17:40:30 | goffa | what'd you do RaeNye ? |
| 17:40:53 | goffa | 'm not a dev just an x5 owner |
| 17:41:56 | RaeNye | I've done things before (some bugfixes and most notably the dual bootloader) but uncomitted are the brightness & contrast patch and the FM radio patch. |
| 17:42:10 | goffa | sweet |
| 17:42:16 | RaeNye | linuxstb: fair enough |
| 17:42:37 | petur | RaeNye: talk to Bagder |
| 17:42:51 | RaeNye | and there's also some progress towards remote LCD although I don't have a remote |
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| 17:43:43 | RaeNye | petur: Bagder or Linus, yeah... but they seem not be be here ATM |
| 17:45:06 | deltron | is there any way to play music while it charges? |
| 17:45:40 | linuxstb | Yes, start Rockbox without the USB cable inserted, then hoid the MENU button as you insert the cable. |
| 17:46:21 | linuxstb | But it's possible that Rockbox will use more power than the USB cable provides - meaning you won't get any increase in charge... But try it and see. |
| 17:46:35 | deltron | ah |
| 17:46:47 | deltron | i like rockbox so far, very nice |
| 17:47:02 | deltron | <3 .m3u support |
| 17:49:30 | RaeNye | maybe it's time I learn to use logf. Any one-line guide? |
| 17:51:13 | linuxstb | RaeNye: It just works like printf but writes to a buffer which you can view in (I think) a main menu option - for LOGF enabled builds. |
| 17:51:24 | * | amiconn volunteers to write the x5 remote lcd drawing routines, even though he doesn't even have an X5 |
| 17:51:34 | amiconn | Yet another 2bit greyscale pixel format |
| 17:51:37 | linuxstb | What about ipod greyscale lib? |
| 17:51:49 | amiconn | Will happen soon |
| 17:52:05 | linuxstb | I assume the format's known already? Meaning you could do it in the sim? |
| 17:52:06 | RaeNye | yip yip |
| 17:52:10 | linuxstb | (for the x5 lcd remote) |
| 17:52:22 | amiconn | That is, if the lcd is fast enough. It looks like it is, but I can't be sure until I try the actual thing |
| 17:52:24 | RaeNye | thanks amiconn |
| 17:53:01 | amiconn | RaeNye: The basic format is known; what's not known to me is the orientation of the bytes as it depends on the orientation of the panel |
| 17:53:10 | RaeNye | linuxstb: and how to enable logf support? is there a limit on the "syslog" created? |
| 17:53:36 | linuxstb | You enable it via the configure script. I'm not sure about the size limit in the syslog. |
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| 17:53:45 | qwm | that.. loose woman. |
| 17:53:45 | RaeNye | I can give you sample remote LCD images from the OF |
| 17:54:05 | RaeNye | I put a sample one in the patch |
| 17:55:02 | RaeNye | (sample image = height, width and 2*height*width data bytes) |
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| 17:55:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Before porting the grayscale lib to ipod, I'll add linearisation and gamma correction to it |
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| 17:55:52 | RaeNye | the (D)evel build is the logf-enabled one in the configure script? |
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| 17:56:39 | linuxstb | RaeNye: Yes. Press D, then L, then ENTER by itself. |
| 17:57:59 | RaeNye | ok, thanks. |
| 17:59:20 | RaeNye | now I just have to get the simulator not crashing (gentoo...) and I could do some high-level RB dev |
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| 18:01:39 | RaeNye | amiconn: speaking of LCD code, don't you think there's too much duplication in the various lcd-*.c variants? |
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| 18:09:05 | DomasoFan | hi. |
| 18:10:04 | DomasoFan | is some from the rockbox iriver port here? because i have a question |
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| 18:10:38 | PaulJam | just ask, i'm sure someone will answer. |
| 18:11:34 | obo | oooo, (weird) red build |
| 18:12:05 | Mikachu | obo: i expect you to get unplug pause in now :) |
| 18:12:14 | obo | just too old a gcc version??? |
| 18:12:37 | obo | Mikachu: heh, hopefully ;) |
| 18:12:43 | DomasoFan | ok. does someone know if the battery problems with the iRiver H 340 has been fixed? Because I have a older version of Rockbox running on my device and last recording it died. OK it shut off during recording and I don't recognized it. Now I will go on a long trip and I will be happy if my iRiver don't let me down during the trip. |
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| 18:13:35 | Mikachu | DomasoFan: i think so, there was some talking about it a few weeks back |
| 18:13:36 | bluebrother | DomasoFan, yes when speaking of the short battery life due to too much power drain. |
| 18:13:36 | PaulJam | battery runtime on h300 now exceeds the batterytime of the original firmware. |
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| 18:13:44 | amiconn | obo: The red build happened on Christi's server, because she didn't update sh-elf-gcc |
| 18:13:57 | amiconn | Bagder: Please disable sh builds on that server... |
| 18:16:07 | DomasoFan | I think the battery was full and I used it about 30 minutes before I recorded about 20 minutes. Maybe the new daily build will be better than this old stuff on my unit. |
| 18:18:19 | PaulJam | if your battery lasts for only less than an hour after a full charge, i guess your battery needs to be replaced. |
| 18:18:53 | PaulJam | how is the batterytime with the originalfirmware? |
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| 18:19:20 | DomasoFan | has there been a few broken batteries around? because the unit is new and i don't used it much. |
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| 18:26:09 | Moos | Hello all ! |
| 18:26:30 | Moos | nice to see the freeze is finally lefted |
| 18:31:03 | goffa | amen to that |
| 18:31:39 | goffa | just hope queue and play gets implemented |
| 18:31:41 | Moos | indeed :) |
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| 18:32:04 | Moos | "queue and play", what do you mean? |
| 18:32:51 | goffa | i think tree_wps and tree_run should be switched |
| 18:33:08 | goffa | like when you hit the navi button.. it brings up the file browser |
| 18:33:30 | Moos | ah... ok |
| 18:33:31 | goffa | when you select a file it makes a new playlist out of that dir |
| 18:33:36 | goffa | erasing your playlist |
| 18:33:58 | goffa | instead, it would be better to be able to change that behavior |
| 18:34:46 | goffa | switching tree_wps and tree_run wouldn't do that.. but it does solve the problem of hitting the navi button twice by accident |
| 18:35:43 | goffa | i've been compiling manually just for that reason for the past 3 months |
| 18:35:48 | Moos | not sure to absolutly understand what do you mean, but there is one playlist option for preventing one accidental erasing curplaylist |
| 18:35:53 | PaulJam | goffa: have you tried the party mode? it prevents the current playlist from accidently being deleted. |
| 18:36:10 | goffa | yeah.. but that puts a file at the end of the list |
| 18:36:28 | goffa | and... it also prevents you from loading another list while in party mode |
| 18:36:32 | * | amiconn wonders how one can hit a button twice *by accident* |
| 18:36:54 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 18:37:00 | goffa | amicon... its easy.. you hit the navi button when the wps screen is on |
| 18:37:08 | goffa | and.. the browser doesn't load |
| 18:37:19 | amiconn | I mean, hitting a button once by accident can happen |
| 18:37:23 | amiconn | But twice?? |
| 18:37:29 | goffa | so.. thinking you must not have depressed the button you hit it again |
| 18:38:01 | goffa | then the current directory is queued forcing you tor reload your playlist |
| 18:38:15 | goffa | so you do hit twice by accident |
| 18:38:22 | goffa | used to happen to me all the time |
| 18:38:34 | amiconn | Never happened to me in 3+ years of rockboxing... |
| 18:39:44 | goffa | but do you see HOW it could happen? |
| 18:40:12 | amiconn | Not really |
| 18:40:14 | PaulJam | this only happens to me when i want to go to the browser and i don't notice that i'm already there. |
| 18:40:28 | goffa | that's what i'm talking about PaulJam |
| 18:40:36 | amiconn | If you press NAVI to enter the browser, you'll enter the browser |
| 18:41:00 | amiconn | It may take a few seconds, depending on whether you use dircache (I don't) and maybe other things |
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| 18:41:15 | goffa | you hit the button and before the browser loads there is that lag |
| 18:41:23 | goffa | i don't use dircache either |
| 18:41:36 | amiconn | That's one thing I like about rockbox - it queues button actions, so you can press sequences blind and in advance |
| 18:41:55 | goffa | yeah.. i like it too |
| 18:42:14 | goffa | but... i think that right should select a file instead of navi |
| 18:42:26 | goffa | that way it eliminates the problem i mentioned |
| 18:42:28 | amiconn | Right selects files |
| 18:42:40 | goffa | yeah.. redundant isn't it? |
| 18:42:40 | Hansmaulwurf | yes |
| 18:42:45 | amiconn | Navi too, and removing that will be rather unintuitive |
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| 18:43:07 | goffa | no... compile it once my way and try it |
| 18:43:32 | goffa | hiting navi twice brings you back to wps |
| 18:43:43 | goffa | instead of blowing awoy your list |
| 18:43:45 | PaulJam | oh, i just noticed, that if party mode is enabled and you queue a song next, it shows up in the view playlist screen, but it doesn't get played. |
| 18:43:46 | goffa | away |
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| 18:44:03 | Myth1 | hi guys |
| 18:44:07 | goffa | PaulJam: it queues it at the bottom |
| 18:44:23 | goffa | hi Myth1 |
| 18:44:43 | goffa | party mode is useless if you ask me |
| 18:45:10 | Myth1 | Today I saw that the feature freeze is lifted. Is there a chance my mod & sid codecs will get added? Do I need to do anything for this? |
| 18:45:44 | RaeNye | hi moos, just noticed you joined |
| 18:45:57 | linuxstb | Myth1: I don't have any mods, but I'll be happy to look at your sid codec again. Can you test your patch with the current CVS and make sure it still applies and compiles OK? |
| 18:45:58 | PaulJam | goffa: but in the view playlist screen it shows up after the currently playing song (so actual playlist and view playlist get out of sync). |
| 18:46:35 | Myth1 | linuxstb: Sure |
| 18:47:05 | goffa | ah... all i knew is that when i selected a song from the browser in party mode the song i selected didn't start playing |
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| 18:47:37 | goffa | which is the main goal when selecting a song to play |
| 18:47:49 | Moos | Hi RaeNye ! |
| 18:48:06 | Moos | any new patch comming? ;P |
| 18:48:27 | goffa | the negative side effect in normal mode is that you lose your playlist unless you go through a series of keystrokes to prevent that(counter intuitive) |
| 18:48:52 | goffa | or you have to load your list again... which is a series of keystrokes |
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| 18:51:12 | PaulJam | goffa: most times i select a song from the browser, i want the current playlist to be replaced with the contents of the folder. the other times i queue the song and press the next song button in the wps. |
| 18:51:30 | goffa | beeing able to customize button behavior would make frustrated users like me happy... and allow people who like the current behavior to stay the same |
| 18:51:59 | goffa | PaulJam: i'm just the opposite of you :) |
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| 18:52:36 | goffa | if i want to just play a dir i shut random off |
| 18:52:48 | goffa | it keeps my list then |
| 18:53:13 | goffa | to me that makes much more sense |
| 18:53:22 | Moos | RaeNye: what's missing to your record and radio patches to get commited? was Linus gave you some feed backs? |
| 18:53:22 | PaulJam | but having an option for everything will confuse the users even more (but i think this option would be propably more useful then an option to sort case sesitive). |
| 18:54:05 | goffa | could.. but for those that understand it'll make them happy |
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| 18:54:24 | RaeNye | moos: mostly a dev |
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| 18:54:39 | linuxstb | lol |
| 18:54:49 | linuxstb | Nice timing from Linus... |
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| 18:55:02 | * | RaeNye should participate in the lottery thing |
| 18:55:08 | RaeNye | Hya guys |
| 18:55:18 | bluebrother | I don't see the point why Navi shouldn't select. Returning to wps is done with the play button. But maybe a configurable "enqueue as default action" would be useful. |
| 18:55:36 | Moos | RaeNye: hehe, Linus come at good moment |
| 18:55:41 | goffa | bluebrother: did you miss the situation i presented before |
| 18:55:51 | LinusN | i am unfortunately busy right now |
| 18:55:55 | goffa | where you hit the navi 2 times thinking you didn't press it the first time? |
| 18:56:00 | bluebrother | goffa, no, I've read it but maybe I missed your point ;-) |
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| 18:56:11 | bluebrother | I never happend to do so. |
| 18:56:37 | goffa | happens a lot on my h140 and x5 more on the x5 |
| 18:56:39 | bluebrother | if that second press would enqueue it wouldn't destroy your playlist. |
| 18:56:46 | RaeNye | Hmmpf. |
| 18:56:48 | Moos | wow, LinusN left quickly ;) |
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| 18:57:04 | goffa | bluebrother: that's what i want |
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| 18:57:18 | bluebrother | but maybe you should call it different ;-) |
| 18:57:34 | bluebrother | I'd call it "possibility to set enqueue as default action" |
| 18:57:42 | goffa | i don't care what its called as long as it does what i want |
| 18:58:02 | goffa | my wording is poor.. i'll admit |
| 18:58:03 | bluebrother | you sounded like you want to completely change the behaviour of the navi key. |
| 18:58:18 | RaeNye | anyway, my X5 is kinda dead ATM, so I can't test things |
| 18:58:23 | bluebrother | also, I don't see a point why navi should return to wps. Play already does this. |
| 18:58:33 | Moos | RaeNye: I remenber to have asked LinusN few days ago about your patches, and iirc he said they was CVS materiel, maybe he will commit them when he will find a bit of time |
| 18:58:37 | goffa | well essentially i do bluebrother, but maybe not as drastically as i sound |
| 18:58:47 | Moos | RaeNye: what? really ? :( |
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| 18:59:03 | bluebrother | having navi returning to wps would annoy me heavily. |
| 18:59:07 | RaeNye | but I've been working on several stuff, e.g. support for remote hold in the dual bootloader |
| 18:59:10 | goffa | bluebrother: hitting play is intentional, hitting navi 2 times isn't always |
| 18:59:15 | PaulJam | goffa: btw, why don't you use dircache, i could imagine that this would solve your accidently hitting navi twice problem. |
| 18:59:29 | goffa | probably.. doesn't that suck more battery? |
| 18:59:38 | bluebrother | but when I'm hitting navi I'm doing it intentionally. Especially from the file browser :) |
| 18:59:45 | Myth1 | linuxstb: The latest patch compiles just fine |
| 18:59:46 | PaulJam | not really |
| 18:59:51 | linuxstb | Or Rockbox should display a splash when a disk spin-up is likely to delay the UI responding. |
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| 19:00:09 | goffa | brb.. have to travel home |
| 19:00:12 | bluebrother | goffa, I'm using dircache like since it got implemented. I don't think it eats up more battery. |
| 19:00:19 | amiconn | You can feel the spinup. Why an extra splash? |
| 19:00:21 | Moos | RaeNye: still under warranty? |
| 19:00:30 | RaeNye | moos: it just stopped responding. I had it two days ago, and then it mysteriously worked again for ~7 more hours. Then it shutdown in the middle and died |
| 19:00:48 | linuxstb | Myth1: Thanks. I'll try to commit it this evening - but it won't be immediately. |
| 19:00:54 | RaeNye | Moos: yes, but it *has* RB on it obviously |
| 19:01:10 | Myth1 | linuxstb: There's no hurry. I'm just happy if its online ;) |
| 19:01:13 | RaeNye | I'll try to get to the store and see what they can do |
| 19:01:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: Using the remote? |
| 19:01:29 | Myth1 | linuxstb: What do I have to do for getting the mod codec online, too? |
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| 19:02:03 | RaeNye | he's back |
| 19:03:01 | LinusN | RaeNye: have you compiled your patches on the other rockbox platforms? |
| 19:03:04 | linuxstb | Myth1: Just gently remind people now and then that it's still there.... |
| 19:03:11 | Myth1 | ok ;) |
| 19:03:23 | Moos | RaeNye: iaudio still repair even with rockbox no worries |
| 19:03:25 | RaeNye | linusn: no, they're X5 specific |
| 19:03:55 | LinusN | well, how do you know that your changes won't break the other platforms? |
| 19:03:56 | RaeNye | moos: yes, it's just the hassle of getting it repaired. |
| 19:04:27 | Moos | LinusN: good question :) |
| 19:04:46 | RaeNye | I wouldn't know that even if I compiled on all platforms; I can just know there're no syntax errors |
| 19:05:11 | RaeNye | syntax errors are the lesser evil |
| 19:05:45 | Moos | RaeNye: just try now and see ;) |
| 19:05:53 | LinusN | you should *at least* compile on the other platorms |
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| 19:06:27 | Moos | wow, rasher you still alive ! :) |
| 19:06:31 | Moos | hi btw |
| 19:06:58 | RaeNye | that means setting up a dev env with all compilers. I can do iriver with less hassle, but it'd take some time to check it on all platforms |
| 19:07:29 | goffa | back |
| 19:07:36 | goffa | bluebrother: what player do you have? |
| 19:07:37 | LinusN | yes, it means installing two more compilers |
| 19:08:03 | bluebrother | goffa, h120 |
| 19:08:07 | goffa | and you using dircache might be why you dont understand my pain :) |
| 19:08:09 | Moos | RaeNye: use vmware or dowload the shared compilers, that's nbot big |
| 19:08:38 | goffa | is there a way to configure dircache to follow the playlist? |
| 19:08:38 | bluebrother | I used that player before dircache was implemented, but I like it better with dircache. |
| 19:08:56 | goffa | instead of loading the list of search criteria? |
| 19:09:16 | RaeNye | I'm setting now a colinux debian env because the simulator crashes on gentoo; I guess I'll add the other compilers too. But it'll take a while. |
| 19:09:29 | LinusN | we have time |
| 19:09:31 | bluebrother | but I agree on the point that the possibility to change the default action to enqueuing would be a nice option. |
| 19:09:58 | bluebrother | dircache follow the playlist? |
| 19:10:11 | goffa | yeah.. maybe i'm using dircache wrong |
| 19:10:27 | goffa | but when i hit navi.. it shows where you can search for a file |
| 19:10:31 | goffa | instead of the dir you are in |
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| 19:10:40 | bluebrother | the "follow playlist" option works with dircache enabled ... if you mean that. |
| 19:10:53 | bluebrother | have you enabled tagcache? |
| 19:10:54 | PaulJam | are you confusing dircache with tagcache? |
| 19:11:03 | goffa | i could be |
| 19:11:12 | goffa | didn't realize they were different |
| 19:11:25 | bluebrother | dircache: caches all directory contents for faster access when browsing |
| 19:11:39 | LinusN | btw, why is it called tag*cache*? |
| 19:11:48 | bluebrother | tagcache: generate a database of all files using their metadata |
| 19:12:10 | bluebrother | LinusN, I guess because it's based on the files tags ;-) |
| 19:12:26 | Moos | and on the dircache |
| 19:12:27 | LinusN | yes, but what makes it a *cache*? |
| 19:12:28 | bluebrother | *relies |
| 19:12:45 | LinusN | it doesn't rely on the dircache at all |
| 19:12:56 | Moos | oh |
| 19:12:59 | goffa | enabling dircache |
| 19:13:03 | bluebrother | because it actually caches the data (to a file) rather than generating the index every time again? |
| 19:13:32 | Moos | LinusN: then you have to wait one Slasheri's answer ;) |
| 19:14:16 | goffa | that deffinately helps the speed |
| 19:14:31 | LinusN | in my world, it is a database and not a cache |
| 19:14:42 | goffa | and will prevent me hitting navi twice if its always that fast |
| 19:14:45 | rasher | amiconn: ping |
| 19:15:00 | goffa | i'll still compile manually though to switch play and navi :) |
| 19:15:10 | bluebrother | goffa, it _is_ always that fast :) |
| 19:15:14 | goffa | ok |
| 19:15:26 | goffa | without it there's always that latency |
| 19:15:32 | bluebrother | I still like play being a toggle key for the wps |
| 19:15:54 | bluebrother | (which is why I'm waiting for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5294) |
| 19:15:55 | goffa | yeah.. i like navi :) we can agree to disagree on that |
| 19:15:57 | goffa | he he he |
| 19:16:11 | bluebrother | on that we really can agree :) |
| 19:17:34 | goffa | i just wish i could program... then i wouldn't bother you people :P |
| 19:18:04 | bluebrother | what keeps you away from learning? You already have a goal ;-) |
| 19:18:51 | goffa | time |
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| 19:19:42 | bluebrother | that indeed is a problematic point. I still have some ideas I'd like to try but I don't have time for them :( |
| 19:20:07 | goffa | yeah... maybe when i finish up my courses for work... |
| 19:20:13 | amiconn | rasher: pong |
| 19:20:22 | goffa | and i have to stop fixing everyone's machine |
| 19:20:40 | goffa | although there is good money in that |
| 19:20:52 | bluebrother | hehe ... you know that shirt saying "no, I won't fix your windows"? |
| 19:21:07 | goffa | yeah.. i gotta get that |
| 19:21:37 | rasher | amiconn: Did you ever see my battery-graph maker thing? (http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/) It reads battery_bench outputs. Should I add that to the Runtime wiki page, and should I change the format of the graph? |
| 19:21:43 | goffa | i tried to refer work to others... i got my ass chewed out |
| 19:23:24 | goffa | by the customer.. not the people working |
| 19:23:50 | RaeNye | moos: amiconn said he's gonna add lcd routines to the X5 remote LCD basis, so please help him with testing |
| 19:24:25 | amiconn | RaeNye: I can't test on device myself, and someone needs to write the low-level driver (the actual lcd access) |
| 19:24:37 | LinusN | i can do that |
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| 19:25:02 | RaeNye | amiconn: low-level access is on tracker |
| 19:25:08 | RaeNye | and moos has a remote |
| 19:25:09 | CYPER^ | I really need help |
| 19:25:15 | CYPER^ | how to change that: %xl|d|volume.bmp|0|0| |
| 19:25:24 | CYPER^ | so that it shows volume from 0 to 100 |
| 19:25:37 | Moos | like always, I'm rady (and happy to test) |
| 19:25:39 | LinusN | RaeNye: i have a remote |
| 19:25:46 | Moos | ready |
| 19:26:11 | midkay | CYPER^: basically, you can't. you can display %pv which is the level in dB.. |
| 19:26:24 | Moos | amiconn: still have the x5 lcd asm optimisations in mind too ? :) |
| 19:27:01 | RaeNye | linusn: yes, but amiconn said earlier he'd write the drawing routines needed. |
| 19:27:26 | LinusN | sure, but i can verify that the low-level transfers work |
| 19:27:30 | CYPER^ | midkay so the only 2 ways are in dB or set of images |
| 19:27:56 | CYPER^ | why not from 0 to 100 - it's more meaningful |
| 19:27:56 | RaeNye | great. then please make use of the low-level code on flyspray |
| 19:28:26 | midkay | CYPER^: not to some people at all. |
| 19:28:36 | LinusN | RaeNye: i'll have a look at it |
| 19:28:40 | RaeNye | cyper^: 0 to 100 is meaningLESS. dB has a sound (pun intended) meaning behind it |
| 19:28:40 | bluebrother | CYPER^, because it's the range the hardware supports natively, not some strange mapping to percent. |
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| 19:29:04 | LinusN | CYPER^: 0-100 is not meaningful at all to me |
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| 19:29:34 | bluebrother | for example, the iriver has a range from -84dB to 0dB. Mapping that to 0-100 would be ... strange. |
| 19:29:46 | RaeNye | linusn: 10x. But I care more about the other patches :) |
| 19:29:46 | CYPER^ | What If I create 10 images each showing exact percent? |
| 19:29:55 | RaeNye | that will work |
| 19:30:13 | midkay | then you have 0%, 10%, 20%.... |
| 19:30:23 | midkay | so saying "exact percent" is quite.. hm.. |
| 19:30:26 | midkay | not sure of the word. |
| 19:30:27 | CYPER^ | yes, that's a nice idea :) |
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| 19:30:38 | CYPER^ | percent is quite specific :) |
| 19:30:40 | midkay | inaccurate, almost useless.. |
| 19:30:50 | CYPER^ | why inaccurate? |
| 19:30:50 | linuxstb | CYPER^: Which player do you have? |
| 19:30:53 | midkay | sure, but is it if you have 0% and 100% and nothing else? |
| 19:30:55 | RaeNye | The problem with that is you see it updating once per ~4 clicks |
| 19:30:57 | CYPER^ | percent is OK for everything |
| 19:31:14 | bluebrother | CYPER^, I disagree :) |
| 19:31:28 | CYPER^ | 100% is max volume |
| 19:31:30 | rasher | bluebrother: you're one of the manual people, right? |
| 19:31:32 | CYPER^ | 0% is no volume |
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| 19:31:37 | bluebrother | rasher, yes. |
| 19:31:51 | linuxstb | CYPER^: And 0dB is no gain. |
| 19:32:00 | rasher | bluebrother: how about having a way to show that a section is for blind people (such as an explanation of where buttons are, etc) |
| 19:32:03 | RaeNye | the only meaning of percent here is HW capabilities. |
| 19:32:12 | rasher | bluebrother: so that sighted users understand what the section is there for |
| 19:32:35 | bluebrother | you mean something like the note symbols? Nice idea. |
| 19:32:36 | PaulJam | CYPER^: but for example on iriver, would 50% mean -42dB or -10dB or -6dB ore something else? |
| 19:32:46 | rasher | I'd be quite confused if a regular manual gave me a detailed explanation of the buttons etc. |
| 19:32:55 | rasher | bluebrother: something like that yes |
| 19:33:02 | CYPER^ | <PaulJam> doesn't matter to me: 80% still be loud |
| 19:33:38 | bluebrother | CYPER^, if you just think of 80% as "loud", why can't you do so with -20dB? |
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| 19:34:09 | CYPER^ | that's less loud and I guess will be 60% |
| 19:34:26 | CYPER^ | also from what I've learned in school 100dB is like human screaming |
| 19:34:31 | CYPER^ | 160dB is jet plane |
| 19:35:00 | RaeNye | CYPER^: once you're used to it, you're device independent. You know you like listening to music at XXX dB |
| 19:35:11 | bluebrother | CYPER^, that's a different kind of dB. 0dB means no amplification, thus everything you hardware can produce. |
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| 19:35:44 | rasher | ../../tools/configure: line 175: test: -gt: unary operator expected .. what the.. |
| 19:35:49 | rasher | Anyone? |
| 19:35:56 | bluebrother | ../..? |
| 19:35:57 | rasher | (that's the endianness check) |
| 19:35:58 | CYPER^ | so above 0dB is increased by the firmware? |
| 19:35:59 | RaeNye | you have to combine the song dB value with the amplification (=gain) the HW does |
| 19:36:18 | Moos | RaeNye: any luck for your patches about other platforms? |
| 19:36:26 | rasher | bluebrother: that's correct |
| 19:36:41 | linuxstb | CYPER^: Some hardware allows gain > 0dB, but there is a risk of clipping. A percentage scale on those devices would make even less sense... |
| 19:37:07 | rasher | "This one goes to 110%!" |
| 19:37:08 | RaeNye | moos: devenv ain't ready yet |
| 19:37:14 | CYPER^ | then it's not good to listen over 0dB? |
| 19:37:25 | linuxstb | No - that's the point. |
| 19:37:27 | Moos | RaeNye: k |
| 19:37:38 | CYPER^ | I got it now |
| 19:37:47 | bluebrother | rasher, has it been working with that 2 directory levels before? I think I can remeber I had some problems with using more than the suggested 1 level. |
| 19:37:51 | CYPER^ | the real values are from minus something to 0 dB |
| 19:38:01 | CYPER^ | the real hardware output |
| 19:38:16 | RaeNye | yep |
| 19:38:32 | rasher | bluebrother: Yeah, it's been working fine. It's my windows-simulator building script.. I can only guess it's some mingw32 deal possibly |
| 19:38:41 | rasher | now that I think of it |
| 19:38:44 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 19:38:46 | CYPER^ | ok, then I can forget about that idea :D |
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| 19:39:47 | goffa_ | router puked |
| 19:39:48 | rasher | bluebrother: Luckily, the if is turned the right way around, so when the check fails, it defaults to the right endianness |
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| 19:40:10 | rasher | rockbox/developer/Slasheri .. how's that work? |
| 19:41:19 | muesli__ | high Slasheri |
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| 19:42:23 | rasher | bluebrother: Any objections to putting a description of the buttons under the image in chapter 2? (for blind) |
| 19:42:56 | CYPER^ | One big question: Can I delete songs from the iPod? |
| 19:43:05 | CYPER^ | without the use of computer |
| 19:43:05 | goffa_ | btw bluebrother is there a variable that i can change to set enque as a default action? |
| 19:43:09 | rasher | CYPER^: Sure |
| 19:43:11 | obo | CYPER^: yes |
| 19:43:25 | CYPER^ | what about selecting many songs and delete all of them? |
| 19:43:37 | goffa_ | or anyone for that matter |
| 19:43:37 | obo | you can delete complete folders |
| 19:43:41 | bluebrother | rasher, no. I was already thinking of that. |
| 19:43:59 | CYPER^ | that will be ok If I can move these many songs in one folder |
| 19:44:02 | rasher | bluebrother: I'll just go ahead and do that, then (from pictures, will need to have someone look at the descriptions) |
| 19:44:18 | bluebrother | rasher, great. |
| 19:44:20 | rasher | This is easy/boring work, I'll do that and you can do something more useful |
| 19:44:55 | rasher | No images of the ipods yet? |
| 19:45:14 | rasher | I guess that's a stupid question, I can see that, but why? |
| 19:47:41 | rasher | bluebrother: is there a list of the various macros/variables in the wiki somewhere? |
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| 19:48:20 | goffa_ | heh.. i must've been ghosted |
| 19:48:25 | bluebrother | rasher, see the LatexGuidelines page. |
| 19:48:48 | bluebrother | it's mostly complete for what we've added. |
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| 19:49:55 | rasher | Ah, I see.. how about the variables used for \opt? |
| 19:50:07 | bluebrother | nobody has made images for ipods (IIRC x5 also). As the primary goal is to get in sync for 3.0 I don't consider them important (yet) |
| 19:50:19 | bluebrother | look into the definitions in platform/*.tex |
| 19:50:20 | rasher | True |
| 19:50:24 | rasher | Okay |
| 19:51:10 | obo | any devs got time give me feedback on a couple of patches? |
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| 19:51:42 | RaeNye | I'll be back when I set my dev-env properly. Bye! |
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| 19:51:58 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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| 19:52:43 | Moos | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5679 francais update |
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| 19:56:28 | CYPER^ | funny question: What other cool things can I install? |
| 19:56:32 | CYPER^ | no games please :) |
| 19:59:25 | bluebrother | nothing :) |
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| 19:59:30 | CYPER^ | cool :D |
| 19:59:42 | sharpe` | the games are included. :) |
| 19:59:46 | bluebrother | you can install plugins that are written for rockbox. Some are floating around. |
| 19:59:55 | CYPER^ | I don't play them anyway :) |
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| 20:00:13 | bluebrother | seeing doom on a h120 is kinda cool (but useless) |
| 20:00:14 | Moos | play music then ;) |
| 20:00:29 | CYPER^ | what about files sorting: on one screen the artist and on the next screen the song titles from one artist |
| 20:00:41 | CYPER^ | like with the original apple firmware |
| 20:00:44 | sharpe` | Tagcache... |
| 20:00:53 | CYPER^ | I'll check it :) |
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| 20:01:07 | sharpe` | hooray for one word answers. |
| 20:01:16 | CYPER^ | :D |
| 20:01:54 | bluebrother | sharpe`, I was just about saying the same thing (but I wanted to use two words for the answer so I was slower) |
| 20:02:16 | sharpe` | ah. |
| 20:02:50 | CYPER^ | So now one song is playing and I can't go back to the very first screen, where the rockbox folder is + one folder with songs |
| 20:03:03 | CYPER^ | why? |
| 20:03:04 | bluebrother | ? |
| 20:03:08 | CYPER^ | or how can I go there |
| 20:03:10 | sharpe` | which player? |
| 20:03:15 | CYPER^ | iPod 4GB |
| 20:03:23 | CYPER^ | ops 4G |
| 20:03:24 | bluebrother | when enabling tagcache you'll see that screen, not the file browser anymore. |
| 20:03:42 | CYPER^ | but I haven't installed Tagcache yet |
| 20:03:45 | sharpe` | press the select button to get to the folder view, then left to go up a folder level |
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| 20:04:10 | bluebrother | CYPER^, may I recommend you the manual? |
| 20:04:11 | CYPER^ | yeah |
| 20:04:24 | CYPER^ | bluebrother probably yes :D |
| 20:04:29 | CYPER^ | but is easier to ask :D |
| 20:04:41 | bluebrother | have you installed a recent build? There was a bug that triggered when you switched to the database view and back. |
| 20:05:04 | bluebrother | (which has been fixed some days ago) |
| 20:05:15 | CYPER^ | 18.07 |
| 20:05:25 | CYPER^ | the Latest |
| 20:06:15 | CYPER^ | how can I make certain folders don't show? |
| 20:06:20 | CYPER^ | like .rockbox |
| 20:06:24 | CYPER^ | and iPod control |
| 20:06:43 | CYPER^ | make them hidden doesn't help I think |
| 20:06:46 | rasher | You can't on a folder-by-folder basis |
| 20:07:10 | CYPER^ | cause in the root I have icon.ico |
| 20:07:15 | rasher | if you select "Show files: supported" .rockbox will be hidden, don't know about ipod_control |
| 20:07:18 | CYPER^ | and autorun.inf |
| 20:07:46 | CYPER^ | Found It |
| 20:08:03 | CYPER^ | with "Supported" rockbox is not hidden |
| 20:08:13 | bluebrother | use "music" |
| 20:08:39 | CYPER^ | that's what I was thinking :D |
| 20:09:02 | CYPER^ | just perfect :) |
| 20:09:05 | CYPER^ | I love it :) |
| 20:09:15 | sharpe` | hooray? |
| 20:09:33 | CYPER^ | just now I realized holding the select button does something :D |
| 20:09:44 | CYPER^ | for deleting folders :) |
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| 20:11:29 | sharpe | there. |
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| 20:13:29 | amiconn | rasher, CYPER^ Rockbox hides folder having the 'hidden' attribute set, and .dotfolders, unless you set 'show files' to 'all' |
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| 20:22:46 | rasher | hrm, how do I remove a BOM with vim? |
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| 20:23:03 | Mikachu | :set encoding=latin1 |
| 20:24:59 | rasher | that doesn't seem to be doing much of anything |
| 20:25:15 | Mikachu | hm |
| 20:25:40 | Mikachu | i don't think i have any files to test on |
| 20:26:04 | rasher | the attachment to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5679 has one |
| 20:26:49 | Mikachu | it's displayed in vim for me, as <feff> |
| 20:27:03 | Mikachu | and iirc utf8 isn't supposed to have BOM |
| 20:27:19 | rasher | Exactly |
| 20:27:24 | rasher | which is why it needs to go |
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| 20:27:39 | rasher | I guess my vim is lacking some setup or other |
| 20:27:46 | rasher | I'm going to blame debian for that |
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| 20:28:46 | Mikachu | i'm sending it on dcc |
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| 20:29:24 | rasher | amazingly, dcc worked, for once |
| 20:29:30 | Mikachu | heh |
| 20:29:52 | amiconn | Why is it amazing? |
| 20:29:56 | Mikachu | it usually doesn't |
| 20:30:07 | Mikachu | is predilection a word that you can use in english without getting weird looks? |
| 20:30:11 | rasher | There always seems to be something in the way of dcc working |
| 20:30:13 | amiconn | dcc always works if it's configured correctly |
| 20:30:17 | Mikachu | the swedish counterpart isn't uncommon, just looked it up |
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| 20:32:09 | CYPER^ | is there a Sleep button or something? |
| 20:32:34 | CYPER^ | I saw in the settings the auto-sleep |
| 20:32:55 | CYPER^ | but what about putting it in sleep mode any time I want? |
| 20:33:13 | rasher | There is no sleep mode |
| 20:33:17 | rasher | you just turn it off |
| 20:33:30 | CYPER^ | how? |
| 20:33:48 | rasher | I don't know the Ipod controls |
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| 20:33:55 | linuxstb | CYPER^: Hold PLAY for a few seconds. |
| 20:34:14 | CYPER^ | thank you linuxstb |
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| 20:34:46 | CYPER^ | so there isn't that Sleep option |
| 20:34:59 | rasher | The Sleep option turns off the ipod as well |
| 20:34:59 | CYPER^ | you have to turn it off and then on: has to load its firmware again |
| 20:35:12 | CYPER^ | no it's different with the apple firmware |
| 20:35:18 | CYPER^ | it's very quick |
| 20:35:24 | CYPER^ | less than 1 second |
| 20:35:29 | CYPER^ | sleep on-sleep of |
| 20:35:32 | rasher | Rockbox boots very quick as well - no need for a sleep mode |
| 20:35:55 | CYPER^ | yeah, It's quite quick :) |
| 20:36:03 | CYPER^ | I can live with that :) |
| 20:36:44 | CYPER^ | is it normal to show the apple logo when booting up? |
| 20:36:57 | | Part tinodeleste |
| 20:37:31 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:37:40 | CYPER^ | :) |
| 20:37:42 | Mikachu | the ipods always do that when actually booting |
| 20:38:04 | Mikachu | i think the only way to actually turn off a stock ipod is to wait 24 or 36 hours |
| 20:39:04 | CYPER^ | in the settings there are 2: Sleep Timer & Idle Poweroff |
| 20:39:13 | CYPER^ | there should be a difference |
| 20:39:19 | CYPER^ | what is it? |
| 20:39:23 | Mikachu | sleep timer is something else |
| 20:39:36 | Mikachu | i think it's for actually turning the music off while it's playing |
| 20:39:45 | CYPER^ | aaaaaa got it :) |
| 20:40:02 | CYPER^ | yeah when you want to listen while going to sleep :) |
| 20:40:03 | rasher | Bagder: Would it make sense at this point to claim the contents of the Wiki to be GFDL (or similar) licensed? |
| 20:40:12 | Galois | no |
| 20:40:27 | CYPER^ | no to who? |
| 20:40:40 | Galois | GFDL |
| 20:40:50 | CYPER^ | not to me :) |
| 20:41:00 | rasher | The thing is, the wiki contents are under _no_ license currently.. it's a huge mess, really |
| 20:41:30 | rasher | Unless there was some disclaimer somewhere that I missed |
| 20:41:35 | Galois | I'm afraid you can't fix this mess simply by fiat |
| 20:41:38 | Galois | not legally, anyway |
| 20:42:03 | Mikachu | it comes down to who owns the copyright on what's written there by users |
| 20:42:28 | Galois | in the absence of any statement to the contrary, it's owned by the users who contributed it |
| 20:42:30 | rasher | Legally, we can't even change the pages, if the copyright is owned by each owner |
| 20:42:41 | Galois | it's a legal gray area, but I think it is legal |
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| 20:42:59 | linuxstb | Any lawyers around? |
| 20:43:01 | linuxstb | :) |
| 20:43:06 | Mikachu | the history keeps track of who wrote what so i don't think editing is an issue, but i'm just guessing :) |
| 20:43:15 | Galois | a wiki is by now well established as a publicly editable forum, so one has a very strong case that posting on a wiki constitutes implied license to edit the post |
| 20:43:44 | Moos | linuxstb: yellow build |
| 20:43:47 | Galois | as well as implied license to serve up copies of the post on the wiki |
| 20:43:53 | * | goffa_ points behind the lawyers and exclaims, "hey look over there!" |
| 20:43:57 | goffa_ | quick change it :) |
| 20:44:00 | CYPER^ | can I use the ipod, while connected to the PC and showingDo not disconnect? |
| 20:44:00 | linuxstb | Moos: More yellow than normal? |
| 20:44:11 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 20:44:25 | rasher | I wonder how many of the contributers are reachable by email.. it would be nice to sort this mess out |
| 20:44:25 | Moos | SID codec added news |
| 20:44:26 | Galois | replacing an implied license with an explicit license such as the GFDL, however, is not a gray area, that's just flat out illegal without consent of the copyright owners |
| 20:44:45 | linuxstb | Damn - I compiled it for the Player, but didn't notice the warning.... |
| 20:45:01 | rasher | Galois: I know.. it was more of a "what on earth can be done" than anything else |
| 20:45:12 | rasher | having it be GFDL would be nice for the manual writers.. |
| 20:45:25 | Galois | usually what people do in this situation is contact every contributor and throw out all contributions that don't garner a response from the contributor |
| 20:45:50 | Galois | if you only need to borrow a few sections in the manula, it would be reasonable to contact only people who wrote stuff that you want to use |
| 20:45:51 | rasher | Galois: I like the sound of that |
| 20:46:26 | rasher | It would be nice to have an explicit license on the whole thing |
| 20:47:00 | Mikachu | you can put a note somewhere saying "all copyrights on entered texts are transferred to us etc", but it would only apply from that date obviously |
| 20:47:19 | Moos | isn't Febs our layer? :) |
| 20:47:22 | linuxstb | rasher: I agree, licenses are good, and an email to all contributors seems the only way to do it. |
| 20:47:35 | linuxstb | Mikachu: There is no "us". |
| 20:47:51 | Mikachu | what if someone writes something on the wiki and marks it immutable? |
| 20:48:09 | rasher | Well, GDFL with no immutable sections |
| 20:48:10 | rasher | then |
| 20:48:11 | Mikachu | technically the owner of the server then |
| 20:48:16 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Individual authors would retain copyright, but agree to license it under the GFDL. |
| 20:48:18 | ryran | do any of you know anything about the sid patch that was just committed? as in.. uhh.. what the hell is sid? (I'm searching with little luck.) |
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| 20:48:25 | Galois | seriously guys, the GFDL is not such a good license |
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| 20:48:37 | Mikachu | ryran: old school musics |
| 20:48:44 | Galois | I used to use the GFDL, but I avoid it now |
| 20:48:47 | ryran | well yeah.. I figured that much |
| 20:48:49 | rasher | ryran: music for Commodore 64 |
| 20:48:53 | ryran | ah |
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| 20:49:06 | Mikachu | filesizes usually range 1-5 kB |
| 20:49:10 | ryran | ohhh.. because of sound interface device.. okay |
| 20:49:19 | rasher | Galois: I don't know much about it, only mentioned it because the manual is licensed like that |
| 20:49:20 | linuxstb | ryran: Try http://www.hvsc.c64.org |
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| 20:49:53 | Galois | I don't think it's such a good license for the manual either. |
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| 20:50:09 | bluebrother | there is also a nice article on wikipedia on the sid chip. |
| 20:50:10 | ryran | so here's a silly question. are decoders loaded into ram by rockbox.. like.. when they're not in use? |
| 20:50:23 | Febs | [14:47] <Moos> isn't Febs our layer? |
| 20:50:26 | Febs | Noooooo. |
| 20:50:27 | rasher | Galois: What's a good license? |
| 20:50:29 | linuxstb | ryran: Yes, all the codecs are plugins. |
| 20:50:30 | Mikachu | i think 512kB or so are always reserved for decoders |
| 20:50:39 | Moos | Febs: just kidding ;) |
| 20:50:41 | rasher | ryran: they're only loaded when in use |
| 20:50:43 | Mikachu | but only one is loaded at a time |
| 20:50:46 | Galois | creative commons share-alike by-attribution |
| 20:50:50 | ryran | okay |
| 20:50:55 | Febs | :) |
| 20:51:01 | rasher | Sounds good, really.. for the wiki also |
| 20:51:13 | Febs | I'm a just *A* lawyer who happens to like Rockbox. |
| 20:51:26 | rasher | (other than the CC naming scheme being crack) |
| 20:51:38 | Moos | and help it in law way then ;) |
| 20:51:43 | Galois | yeah, well, the name sucks |
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| 20:52:36 | rasher | At least the Manual has a smaller set of contributors |
| 20:53:01 | Galois | I strongly recommend getting the manual writers to agree on CC by-sa |
| 20:53:09 | Galois | the GFDL isn't even a copyleft license. |
| 20:53:56 | Galois | the point of copyleft is that if I make any changes to the manual then you will be able to use those changes too. Well, that's not true with the GFDL. |
| 20:54:02 | Moos | what's happened with CVS builds? |
| 20:54:23 | linuxstb | Moos: ? |
| 20:54:34 | linuxstb | Ah, the links at the bottom... |
| 20:55:00 | Mikachu | i think they get lost during a build |
| 20:55:06 | Moos | oh, I was trying to dowload one compiled build, but probably at same time than your fix linuxstb |
| 20:55:15 | linuxstb | Maybe they disappear when a new build starts. It's been so long since this amount of activity.... |
| 20:55:19 | rasher | Galois: I tend to agree, though without knowing the details of GFDL.. |
| 20:55:21 | rasher | linuxstb: they do |
| 20:55:38 | rasher | so you can get your build as soon as it's ready |
| 20:55:51 | rasher | (and know that it's really fresh) |
| 20:55:55 | * | linuxstb waits patiently... |
| 20:55:57 | Moos | they appear one by one depending of how many already compiled |
| 20:56:22 | Galois | well, the most obvious detail is that I can add an invariant section, which you can't use. This holds true even if your manual has no invariant sections, because the GFDL allows anyone to add invariant sections. |
| 20:56:26 | obo | linuxstb: fancy looking at another patch (or three ;) ) ?? |
| 20:56:38 | linuxstb | obo: No. I think I'm patched out for today... |
| 20:56:39 | rasher | Galois: ah, well that's.. just stupid really |
| 20:56:41 | linuxstb | (sorry) |
| 20:56:48 | obo | hehe, no worries |
| 20:56:58 | ryran | ooo.. whatchyou got cooking obo? |
| 20:57:14 | Galois | less obvious, but even worse IMO, is that an invariant section restricts the contents of _even the regular sections_ |
| 20:57:18 | obo | ah, just the normal collection... unplug, audioscrobbler and piezo driver |
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| 20:58:07 | ryran | ... piezo driver? |
| 20:58:15 | obo | clicker in retailOS |
| 20:58:16 | ryran | link? color me curious |
| 20:58:19 | ryran | ohhhh |
| 20:58:37 | obo | 5111 - it doesn't actually add it in a usable way, but that can be done afterwards |
| 20:58:57 | Mikachu | i have funny clicky sounds in brickmania and tetrox |
| 20:58:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:59:07 | obo | Mikachu: ;) |
| 20:59:09 | Mikachu | feels like playing atari st or something |
| 20:59:33 | Febs | Damn it. I just typed make clean instead of make zip. |
| 20:59:50 | obo | Febs: no ccache? |
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| 21:00:25 | Febs_ | I've already started to build again, so it's a moot point. |
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| 21:01:03 | Moos | bye all |
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| 21:04:35 | rasher | bluebrother: I give up. I wrote the section for the h120 (the only player I own), but I'm banging my head against the wall trying to describe the player |
| 21:04:39 | rasher | Player, that is |
| 21:04:55 | rasher | I'll commit this with a fixme for other daps |
| 21:05:17 | bluebrother | rasher, nice to have some work done on this anyway. |
| 21:05:35 | * | rasher has an idea |
| 21:05:53 | rasher | How about generating a report of fixmes in the manual, so people can see where help is needed? |
| 21:06:00 | rasher | should be pretty easy to hack up |
| 21:06:17 | bluebrother | maybe a blind person can describe it better as they should know best what's really important to blind people. |
| 21:06:23 | bluebrother | rasher, great idea. |
| 21:07:15 | bluebrother | I'm already counting various things when building the manual so this shouldn't be too hard. |
| 21:07:55 | rasher | grep -r fixme is actually almost usable on its own |
| 21:08:54 | rasher | a bit of automated cleanup, and converting it to WikiForm |
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| 21:12:35 | pixelma | I put together some information especially about Ondio - I just wanted amiconn to have a look on it first if there's something wrong - please remind him :) |
| 21:21:06 | rasher | bluebrother: ManualFixmes sound good for a pagename? |
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| 21:23:21 | bluebrother | sounds good. |
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| 21:27:51 | rasher | There, created http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualFixmes |
| 21:28:45 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 21:28:46 | bluebrother | bbl. |
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| 21:37:37 | juxtap | is it possible for ipods to have an audio input? (with adapters and such) |
| 21:40:32 | Febs | Juxtap, yes. As I understand, this is done through the dock connector on 5G ipods, and through the headphone jack on others. |
| 21:41:41 | juxtap | cool. i got 5g. you know where i can get such an adapter? i'd wanna use a mini-jack input. (3.5mm) |
| 21:41:51 | rasher | amiconn: is a graph such as this: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/view.php?file=ipodmini2g-2006-04-06-1.txt of any use or should I change how the graph is set up? |
| 21:41:52 | linuxstb | No-one seems to sell them... |
| 21:42:22 | juxtap | is there a rockbox pluging to record input streams? :] |
| 21:42:25 | juxtap | *plugin |
| 21:42:35 | linuxstb | juxtap: Also, Rockbox doesn't yet support recording on the 5g. For the original firmware to record, you'll need to buy one of the official "italk" type of accessories. |
| 21:43:02 | juxtap | ah... but you said "yet" so i'm happy |
| 21:43:18 | linuxstb | Yes, ipod recording is now top of my Rockbox to-do list, and I own both a 5g and home-made line-in adapter... |
| 21:43:58 | juxtap | heh, make some more and sell on ebay |
| 21:44:04 | juxtap | i'll buy |
| 21:44:18 | linuxstb | Actually, someone made it for me. Maybe he'll be selling them if I can get it working... |
| 21:45:19 | CYPER^ | can I use the ipod, while connected to the PC and showingDo not disconnect? |
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| 21:51:37 | CYPER^ | :( |
| 21:52:46 | juxtap | CYPER^, i think hold 'menu' before and while inserting the cable (for ipod) |
| 21:53:01 | juxtap | i know that works with my usb/ac adapter thing, never tried with pc |
| 21:53:46 | CYPER^ | I'll try :) |
| 21:53:55 | CYPER^ | 10x |
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| 21:57:36 | CYPER^ | One theme for iPod 4G is not working properly :( |
| 21:57:43 | CYPER^ | Redbreva |
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| 22:00:04 | PaulJam | "not working properly" is a helpful description for your problem. |
| 22:00:24 | Mikachu | i got a hardcore bugreport for openbox the other day, "it crashes" |
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| 22:00:43 | pixelma | CYPER^: if you mean the battery level icon.. that's been discussed before with the Engineer2.wps - redbreva is a rework of this |
| 22:00:49 | sharpe | Mikachu: wow. |
| 22:01:00 | Mikachu | he used a few more words, but no more info |
| 22:01:17 | sharpe | not even about what makes it crash? |
| 22:01:24 | Mikachu | it seems to crash on startup |
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| 22:01:39 | sharpe | mm, i can safely say i don't use openbox... |
| 22:01:53 | cs_weasel | i just wanted to drop in and profess some love for the new SID codec |
| 22:01:57 | Mikachu | for him that is, it obviously works fine for me |
| 22:02:08 | cs_weasel | it's awesome having the whole 33,000+ track high voltage sid collection on my nano :) |
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| 22:14:58 | * | goffa_ is liking the feature flood :) |
| 22:15:50 | amiconn | mrf |
| 22:16:13 | PaulJam | i just had an idea: would it be possible to show a splash screen if the user loads a .cfg with a font specified that isn't installed. Because most times people report that a wps isn't working is because they haven't installed the fonts and such a splash screen would point them in the right direction. |
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| 22:17:40 | PaulJam | another thing concerning fonts: in my opinion the german translation of "fonts" schould be "Schriftart" instead of "Zeichensatz" |
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| 22:19:53 | Myth1 | hi gubys |
| 22:22:33 | goffa_ | hi Myth1 |
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| 22:29:32 | Myth1 | Hmm. In the simulator I get "no .rockbox dir", although there is definately a .rockbox directory in my current dir. |
| 22:29:38 | Myth1 | Any idea what is causing this? |
| 22:30:02 | bluebrother | have you made a "make install"? |
| 22:30:13 | Myth1 | what does the make install do? |
| 22:30:25 | Myth1 | where does it get installed? |
| 22:30:26 | bluebrother | also, .rockbox should be below the archos folder of you sim dir. |
| 22:30:39 | bluebrother | it installs rockbox into archos |
| 22:30:46 | bluebrother | i.e. the rockbox stuff the sim needs. |
| 22:31:04 | Myth1 | why does it go into the archos dir when I have an iriver? |
| 22:31:52 | bluebrother | because archos was initially developed for archos devices. |
| 22:32:14 | bluebrother | and the folder is still named archos. Just do a make install, it does anything for you. |
| 22:32:28 | Myth1 | ok, it now works |
| 22:32:31 | Myth1 | thanks for the hint |
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| 22:33:12 | yodaz | hi all |
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| 22:34:38 | yodaz | I wonder why the ipod needs two partition, and the primary partition type must be "hidden" ? is it possible to install only rockbox firmware with one partition, by passing a dummy image instead of the apple firmware for example ? |
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| 22:36:46 | goffa_ | i could be stating incorrect facts.. but i don'th think rockbox can go on hfs or whatever the ipod uses |
| 22:36:59 | goffa_ | so it needs fat or whatever |
| 22:37:21 | goffa_ | and that's why it needs the partition |
| 22:37:23 | yodaz | but if there is only one fat32 partition on the ipod ? |
| 22:37:36 | goffa_ | (bullshit light could be flashing) |
| 22:37:52 | yodaz | (I have an ipod mini 1st gen) |
| 22:38:02 | sharpe | there is only one fat partition on the ipod. the other is space reserved for the apple firmware/etc. |
| 22:38:09 | PaulJam | it could be that the apple bootloader relies on the first hidden partition. |
| 22:38:11 | goffa_ | ok.. so i was wrong |
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| 22:38:23 | yodaz | but is it possible to completely remove this partition, if don't need apple firmware ? |
| 22:38:34 | sharpe | no. |
| 22:38:36 | yodaz | :( |
| 22:38:39 | sharpe | the bootloader resides there also |
| 22:38:45 | goffa_ | but PaulJam's statement was why i thought that |
| 22:38:55 | pixelma | amiconn did get rid of Apple OS on his mini though I don't know how |
| 22:38:57 | linuxstb_ | yodaz: No. The apple bootloader looks for that partition, and loads the Rockbox bootloader (and appleos) from it. |
| 22:39:07 | yodaz | linuxstb_: ok |
| 22:39:10 | PaulJam | with apple bootloader i meant the bootloader in the flash |
| 22:39:21 | goffa_ | proably best to leave it anyway in case you need warranty |
| 22:39:28 | sharpe | i believe he just relplaced the apple firmware image with a 512 byte empty file... if i remember correctly. |
| 22:39:31 | linuxstb_ | If you don't want appleos, you can use a dummy apple_os.bin as you suggested, and shrink the first partition to (e.g.) 1MB. |
| 22:39:36 | yodaz | goffa_: my warranty is over :) |
| 22:39:46 | sharpe | eh, close enough. |
| 22:39:47 | yodaz | linuxstb_: ok, thx for the tip |
| 22:39:50 | goffa_ | ah |
| 22:40:07 | yodaz | very interesting =) |
| 22:41:13 | * | amiconn experimented with the minimum size of a dummy apple_os.bin |
| 22:41:20 | amiconn | Iirc it needs to be at least 64 byte |
| 22:43:02 | linuxstb_ | Did you try shrinking the first partition? |
| 22:43:22 | yodaz | linuxstb_: I am trying |
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| 22:45:30 | dan_a | linuxstb_: When you have a spare moment, could you review this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5680 |
| 22:45:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: nope |
| 22:45:52 | amiconn | Perhaps I should... the hidden partition is quite a waste on a mini |
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| 22:49:37 | yodaz | linuxstb_: hmm I have problem, I can not mount the sda2 (fat32) partition |
| 22:49:58 | yodaz | here is my fdisk : /dev/sda1 1 1 3875 0 Empty |
| 22:50:06 | yodaz | /dev/sda2 1 1023 3995807 b W95 FAT32 |
| 22:53:37 | yodaz | I have formatted sda2 with mkfs.vfat -F 32 |
| 22:54:37 | Myth1 | hmm, in the simulator I get "sdl_audio_callback: No data" and the sound hangs. Where is this coming from? |
| 22:54:51 | Myth1 | last time I tried the simulator it just worked |
| 22:56:06 | linuxstb_ | yodaz: Unless I'm misreading, your partition table places both sda1 and sda2 starting at cylinder 1... |
| 22:56:30 | yodaz | sda2 must began at cylinder 2 ? |
| 22:56:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it shouldn't begin at the same spot as the other partition... |
| 22:56:45 | yodaz | ok |
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| 22:57:14 | yodaz | sorry for the newbie question, but I doesn't know very well the hard drive structure |
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| 23:00:49 | Myth1 | if I do cvs diff, what was best practice for rockbox. -u, -u2 or -u3? |
| 23:01:17 | linuxstb_ | -u and -u3 should be the same (the default is 3). -u3 seems to be most used. |
| 23:01:38 | Myth1 | ok, then i stick to -u |
| 23:01:48 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Patch looks good to me. |
| 23:02:06 | Febs | linuxstb: I saw earlier that you mentioned you had an input device for ipod. Did you get it from audiolineout.com? |
| 23:02:42 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Thanks! I'm not 100% sure I've not broken things for other iPods, but it works for me |
| 23:02:52 | linuxstb_ | I think it was ipodlineout.com, or something like that. The guy that runs the site donated it to Rockbox/me. |
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| 23:03:42 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, you're right - it was audiolineout.com |
| 23:04:09 | Myth1 | If I want to add a new file using diff, what the exact command, again? Something like "diff /dev/null mod.c >> test.diff" - unfortunately I forgot my paper ;) |
| 23:04:30 | linuxstb_ | diff -u /dev/null mod.c >> test.diff |
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| 23:04:49 | linuxstb_ | (but I'm not sure if the -u is important for new files) |
| 23:04:59 | yodaz | it works =) thanks a lot guy |
| 23:05:00 | linuxstb_ | But it should probably be the same as the rest of the diff. |
| 23:05:14 | Myth1 | I removed the -u and it did not put the file information header in the diff file |
| 23:05:53 | linuxstb_ | Your previous patches should tell you what diff command you used. |
| 23:06:47 | Myth1 | yes it works |
| 23:06:55 | Myth1 | it was the -u option |
| 23:06:57 | Myth1 | thanks ;) |
| 23:07:36 | Myth1 | I'll upload a new mod-diff, because the current one does not comply with the sid-update |
| 23:08:09 | linuxstb_ | Did you notice the change I had to make in metadata.c? |
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| 23:09:03 | Myth1 | Yes, I have to admit, I didn't see this myself ;) |
| 23:09:17 | S0ap | Not to beat a dead horse, but as much as I love the fact volume is displayed in dB, it is a bit inaccurate to say this makes volume level device-independent. Even using the same cans, some players can drive high-impedance cans better than others, so what might be quiet on my ipod at -20db could be quite loud on another device. |
| 23:09:17 | Myth1 | the new mod-diff now also applies to the correct section |
| 23:09:58 | Myth1 | -20db is quite load for my ears ;) |
| 23:10:26 | bluebrother | Febs, I have a working HTML manual :) Now the build needs to be adjusted. |
| 23:10:43 | Febs | Great work! |
| 23:11:12 | bluebrother | the documentation of tex4ht is ... short. |
| 23:11:12 | Myth1 | btw: when developing the sid codec I tried a buggy version with ear-phones on. And unfortunately something went wrong so volume was at 0db. My ears rang even 1 week later. |
| 23:11:13 | yodaz | hmm I don't wanna be annoying, but I have another strange question, is there a way to write the rockbox bootloader directly on the ipod flash memory ? |
| 23:11:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | S0ap: Well, it makes volume as device-independent as you can make it, at least. |
| 23:12:02 | linuxstb_ | yodaz: No. |
| 23:12:31 | yodaz | ok |
| 23:12:33 | Febs | Now that you have html manual working, we can probably get rid of the existing WikiManual and replace it with device-specific html manuals. |
| 23:13:34 | linuxstb_ | yodaz: It may be possible in the future, but at the moment we leave the flash unmodified. That way, it's always possible to undo a Rockbox installation. |
| 23:13:34 | bluebrother | would be an option, but this also removes the possibility of users adding corrections. |
| 23:13:49 | Febs | S0ap: it makes the volume level independent in the sense of where clipping will occur, not necessarily in terms of SPL. |
| 23:13:57 | yodaz | linuxstb_: ok :) |
| 23:14:06 | bluebrother | If we had something like the documentation on php.net it would be a good alternative. |
| 23:15:30 | Febs | The WikiManual is already outdated, and no-one has been updating since the PDF manual project began, so I don't know if losing the ability for users to edit it is a big deal. |
| 23:15:42 | S0ap | Febs - Paul_The_Nerd - yea, I realize both those valid points, dispite my disclaimer I am guilty not only of reading 5 hours up, but of beating that dead horse and nitpicking, sorry :) |
| 23:16:07 | yodaz | linuxstb_: anyway you have already made an very useful work by porting rockbox to ipod =) |
| 23:16:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | S0ap: That horse has been beaten so many times, it's little more than a pile of bone-dust these days. |
| 23:16:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 23:16:13 | yodaz | thx a lot for that |
| 23:16:18 | bluebrother | hmm. I think having the ability would attract more users in actually telling us in some way that there is something wrong. |
| 23:16:20 | Febs | bluebrother: I think that it's more important to keep the PDF manual and the html manual in synch. |
| 23:16:31 | bluebrother | good point. |
| 23:17:32 | Febs | We could put a statement in the introduction to the effect of "Notice a mistake or omission in the manual? Report it here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2" |
| 23:18:09 | Juxt | ok i give up on finding an h140 and think im going to settle for an iaudio x5 |
| 23:18:18 | bluebrother | maybe we just could go with the html manual and try adding a user comments functions later. |
| 23:18:36 | bluebrother | do you have a deeper knowledge of the building system itself? |
| 23:18:54 | Febs | I have no knowledge of the build system. I think that bagder is the person to talk to about that. |
| 23:19:32 | bluebrother | the problem is we need to decide with manual to build. Up to now "make" always triggers the same build target. |
| 23:20:10 | bluebrother | I was also thinking about how we should grab the resulting files itself out of the tree. Should there be a downloadable version of the html manual? |
| 23:20:29 | goffa_ | Juxt: are the 140's getting that scarce? |
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| 23:20:44 | goffa_ | used to be a ton on ebay not 3 months ago |
| 23:21:01 | TeaSeaLancs | goffa_: Probably! Either that or Juxt isn't in America or somewhere where there are a lot of them. |
| 23:21:21 | Myth1 | Concerning the simulator: Should the sound output work correctly or is there a bug known? |
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| 23:21:45 | linuxstb_ | Febs, bluebrother: You can just introduce extra targets in the Makefile - so "make pdf" will make the PDF file, "make html" will make the html version. |
| 23:21:56 | bluebrother | Myth1, I also have problems with the sound output −− it regularly complains about an empty buffer. |
| 23:22:05 | Myth1 | bluebrother: Exactly! |
| 23:22:15 | Myth1 | but it worked fine two months ago |
| 23:22:17 | PaulJam | Myth1: i get the "sdl_audio_callback: No data" errors too. |
| 23:22:27 | Myth1 | yeah, same error here |
| 23:22:49 | bluebrother | Myth1, I simply haven't looked into it. I mainly used it for screenshots recently, so sound wasn't important. |
| 23:22:54 | PaulJam | and yes, some tome ago the sim worked without problems |
| 23:23:10 | Myth1 | ok, if its known someone will hopefully fix it ;) |
| 23:23:24 | Mmmm | When I do a cvs commit it seems to work fine but I get this message: "cvs commit: Using deprecated info format strings. Convert your scripts to use the new argument format and remove '1's from your info file format strings." Is this normal or is it an error message? |
| 23:23:25 | Juxt | goffa - i am in the US but i can't find them.... 1 on ebay and one on nulime for $500 |
| 23:23:36 | Myth1 | because developing codecs with a buggy simulator sound is not much fun :( |
| 23:24:31 | Juxt | there are actually a few on ebay but they are in australia and i dont want to deal with that. the other one on ebay from the US is already @ $200 with 3 days left... |
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| 23:24:47 | linuxstb_ | Mmmm: That's normal (at least, I always get those message..) |
| 23:25:03 | Mmmm | oh good..that's a relief! :) |
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| 23:25:42 | linuxstb_ | Myth1: Sadly the simulator audio problems have been there for a while, and no-one's managed to fix it. |
| 23:26:26 | RedBreva | juxt: I have a H140 that will soon be surplus to requirments... contact me by e-mail if you are interested |
| 23:27:30 | Juxt | surplus to requirements ? |
| 23:27:44 | Juxt | and how soon is soon for you ? |
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| 23:28:33 | Amien | %s%m|18|209|%al%?it<%it|%fn> |
| 23:28:53 | RedBreva | I have just brought a iPod 60GB, once I am happy that it's working OK, I will no longer use the H140... a week or two |
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| 23:29:40 | Juxt | just ogt booted - redbreva, if you replied please say it agin |
| 23:29:54 | RedBreva | I have just brought a iPod 60GB, once I am happy that it's working OK, I will no longer use the H140... a week or two |
| 23:30:23 | RedBreva | I am on vaccation to Turkey in early August, so before then... |
| 23:30:27 | goffa_ | i like having 2 players |
| 23:30:39 | RedBreva | I have my Nano too ;-) |
| 23:30:44 | yodaz | ++ |
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| 23:31:01 | goffa_ | bah.. nano's too small :) |
| 23:31:12 | goffa_ | i think of the players as light cd wallets |
| 23:31:27 | goffa_ | i'm thinking of getting a third one |
| 23:31:29 | RedBreva | The financial controller (wife) does not agree with the redundant hardware theory :-( |
| 23:31:55 | goffa_ | yeah.. rough when the boss says no |
| 23:31:57 | goffa_ | :) |
| 23:32:13 | RedBreva | I only got the nano as a 2nd player because I can use it on the treadmill at the gym |
| 23:33:11 | Juxt | red thx for the offer but i want to pick one up this week |
| 23:33:39 | RedBreva | OK, cool... prolly stick it on ebay next week anyway... |
| 23:34:19 | Juxt | i think the x5 is fairly similiar anyway... no major diffs other than the optical in /out which isn't too important to me |
| 23:38:03 | Amien | i removed the %s for non scrolling .. but now the line is too long ... how can i make it shorter? |
| 23:38:05 | Amien | %s%m|18|209|%al%?it<%it|%fn> |
| 23:38:27 | Myth1 | Bye everyone |
| 23:38:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Amien: Make what shorter? |
| 23:38:31 | * | Myth1 is going to bed |
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| 23:40:14 | Amien | that line shows some idtag info of the mp3 .. but no that i remove the %s .. the line is be completly shown .. i need to cut the line .. cause it messes up my theme |
| 23:41:48 | PaulJam | do the margins only work for scrolling lines? |
| 23:41:53 | CYPER^ | why this doesn't show up: %al %?pv<%xdc|%xdd|%xde|%xdf|%xdg> |
| 23:42:10 | Amien | the margins are good when i use %s |
| 23:44:02 | CYPER^ | can I merge one rwps file with another wps file? |
| 23:44:13 | CYPER^ | I mean merge the code in these 2 files in 1 file |
| 23:44:36 | pixelma | CYPER^: the %xd is for showing bitmaps - if you haven't defined these before nothing happens |
| 23:44:38 | PaulJam | Amien: could you make a screendump of how your theme should look? (maybe you can solve the problem by loading the parts of the background that schould not be overlayed by text with the %x|... tag) |
| 23:45:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: The patch is called scroll margins. It would surprise me that it only works for scrolling lines, but given the name, not a large surprise. |
| 23:45:17 | CYPER^ | pixelma the images are defined in the second file |
| 23:45:26 | CYPER^ | that's the zezayer theme |
| 23:46:15 | Amien | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#iPod_Green5g ... its that theme |
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| 23:47:43 | Amien | "One Step too far" if that line is longer .. it will get over the lines .. |
| 23:49:44 | Juxt | do those themes work on all the players? |
| 23:49:55 | goffa_ | Juxt: right now battery life isnt there with x5.. although they will fix that.. i have faith |
| 23:50:05 | Juxt | i heard that they did ? |
| 23:50:21 | goffa_ | i think that last patch helped |
| 23:50:26 | Juxt | in a patch anyway |
| 23:50:30 | Juxt | yeah |
| 23:50:37 | goffa_ | but its still not where the h140 is |
| 23:50:49 | goffa_ | i've got the x5l... i get like 10 hours |
| 23:50:58 | goffa_ | just an average |
| 23:51:09 | Juxt | hmm so that puts an non-L at like 5 ? |
| 23:51:15 | goffa_ | probably |
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| 23:51:24 | Juxt | i think i am going to get the 60gb ver which isn't avail in L |
| 23:51:46 | goffa_ | yeah... i always thought that was a funny trade off |
| 23:51:50 | Juxt | i already have about 26gb of music and add all th etime |
| 23:52:02 | goffa_ | it can play a long time OR you can have a lot of music |
| 23:52:12 | Juxt | yeah |
| 23:52:46 | goffa_ | yeah... i've probably got 1tb of flac.. i compress to ogg for the player |
| 23:52:47 | A_M | Is there an FAQ or something for beginners at rockbox development? (and not just setting up the development environment) I feel like I keep coming up with tons of questions that surely must have been asked millions of times before but I don't know where to look for answers... |
| 23:52:59 | goffa_ | well between the 2 players i have 70gb of storage |
| 23:53:10 | goffa_ | got a karma with a broken wheel.. so i never use that |
| 23:53:18 | goffa_ | that's 20 gb |
| 23:53:38 | goffa_ | i have to do a lot of picking and choosing |
| 23:53:49 | linuxstb_ | A_M: Not really. Just the documentation you can find in the wiki. But feel free to write one... |
| 23:54:08 | A_M | ok |
| 23:54:24 | goffa_ | i'd like to see a 120gb player with like 35 hours of battery life |
| 23:54:29 | goffa_ | i'm thinking that's goin got be a long wait |
| 23:54:35 | Juxt | yeah that is what i am hoping to avoid.... figured i would be spenidng−−- no wasting alot of tim moving music aroun |
| 23:54:49 | linuxstb_ | goffa: Three H140s... |
| 23:55:02 | goffa_ | the way i've been doing it is nuking tracks i don't like |
| 23:55:08 | goffa_ | until i can fit a new album |
| 23:55:18 | goffa_ | then you get a higher percentage of what you actually listen to |
| 23:56:04 | linuxstb_ | The Archos devices can have 120GB hard drives, and can be used with normal AA batteries... But are limited to MP3s. |
| 23:56:09 | A_M | For example; are there any general recommendations on what to do instead of malloc? statically allocating for the worst case seems such a waste when the usual case ought to be so far from the worst case... |
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| 23:56:33 | Mikachu | it's not like something else is going to be using the memory in the background |
| 23:58:01 | linuxstb_ | A_M: There is no general answer. What are you doing? Can you reduce the memory requirements? |
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