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#rockbox log for 2006-07-19

00:00:36A_MI'm fiddeling with some ideas on preference based song selection where you can bias songs based on filters so that some (for example genre=metal) are more likely to be played more often than others. but for what I'm trying now I'd need at least two ints for each entry in the current playlist (so potentially as many as the maximum amount of songs)
00:02:53linuxstb_I don't know the playlist code at all, so can't really help...
00:03:18Paul_The_NerdOn a completely unrelated note, I now have conclusive evidence that our control scheme is more intuitive than Apples (yes, I know there's no such thing as conclusive evidence of intuitiveness): My mother purchased an iPod today, and while watching her try to navigate it for the first time, she continually tried to press left and right for navigating into and out of menus, and tried to press menu a few times to get to the actu
00:03:46linuxstb_:) That's conclusive then - proof by Paul's mother.
00:03:50 Quit obo ("bye")
00:04:02Juxthey goffa
00:04:09Mikachuif there was a lot more after "get to the actu" we missed something
00:04:10Juxtin general, how do you like he x5
00:04:11Paul_The_NerdShe's never handled an MP3 player before in her life, so any preconceived notions were from other types of stuff.
00:04:27Paul_The_NerdMikachu: actual options.
00:04:44Paul_The_NerdSorry, I always forget there's a length limit.
00:04:57PaulJamPaul_The_Nerd: now erase her memory and give her a rockboxed ipod.
00:05:28A_Mright now I'm not even touching the playlist (or for that matter any rockbox) code. I'm just making standalone win32 tests, but I'd like to avoid doing stuff that can't later be ported to rockbox.
00:06:01Paul_The_NerdA_M: Well, are you looking at it from the angle of playlist generation or what?
00:10:48Paul_The_NerdWhat are the two ints per entry for right now?
00:11:59A_Minitially I was just thinking of playlist generation but now I'm leaning more towards wanting to make things work on-the-fly, like a smart-list format that could be used for playback instead of traditional playlists
00:12:15CYPER^how can I position that tag: %pv
00:12:26CYPER^I want it like 5 pixels more right
00:12:32CYPER^more to the right
00:12:34Mikachuput a space before
00:12:49CYPER^just a normal space, like press the key in the wps file?
00:13:08linuxstb_A_M: That sounds like it should be integrated with tagcache.
00:13:46CYPER^Mikachu how do you put space?
00:13:53Mikachu like this
00:14:07CYPER^so I was right :P
00:14:38Juxtgoffa - u there?
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00:15:09CYPER^Yeah it works :D
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00:15:12goffa_Juxt: now i am
00:15:15goffa_just got home
00:15:24Juxtthat was quick
00:15:35CYPER^Mikachu what about 5 pixels up?
00:15:42Juxtdo you have the remote for your x5 ?
00:15:42Mikachucan't help there
00:15:45goffa_nah.. live in a small town
00:15:46CYPER^put it on the upper line or what?
00:15:47Mikachuwhat is %pv?
00:15:51goffa_2 mins from work :)
00:15:57Paul_The_NerdPercent Volume?
00:15:59A_Mthe ints are one for bias and one for the position of each song in a playlist or tagcache or whatever (was planning to reuse playlist or tagcache for the actual list of files to select from). so yeah just the one int might be strictly necessary if I altered the playlist or tagcache code...
00:16:04CYPER^Current volume.
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00:16:13goffa_running screen from home so i don't actually log out of the chat
00:16:21Mikachuif it's just text you can't position it pixelwise
00:16:40goffa_i don't have a remote for the x5
00:16:40Paul_The_NerdA_M: Instead of changing the internal playlist format, why not just use the weighting to generate the playlist?
00:16:48CYPER^10x again :)
00:17:11Juxtever seen one? just wondering because you can get a decent deal on one if you buy the player and remote from cowan at the same time
00:17:17CYPER^Hpw many pictures can I put for %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10>
00:17:20CYPER^is 10 max?
00:17:23Paul_The_NerdIf they want 100 songs, with Metal weighted at heaviest, then Hard Rock, then Rock, then when it randomly picks songs to put in the playlist, it picks random numbers of each genre, with the remainder going to the lowest weighted?
00:17:32Mikachui think you can position the bitmaps though
00:17:37Mikachuin the line that loads the actual file
00:17:39CYPER^fot bitmaps I know how
00:17:45goffa_i haven't seen one
00:17:51goffa_havent felt the need
00:17:57CYPER^but how many bitmaps can you put for %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10>
00:17:59goffa_if it was wireless i'd probably do it
00:18:15goffa_i've got the radio transmitter/charger
00:18:19goffa_that's worth it
00:18:29goffa_although.. don't use the charger while using aux in
00:18:37Juxtboth in 1 devicve ?
00:19:01pixelmaCYPER^: 0 to10 makes 11 bitmaps
00:19:01Juxtfor the car right ?
00:19:08goffa_if you use charger with aux in you'll hear a hum.. yeah for the car
00:19:16goffa_over the radio hum is inaudible
00:19:24goffa_but then songs are going over the radio :)
00:19:29CYPER^pixelma does this mean that 11 is the max number?
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00:19:51CYPER^what will happen if: %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|>
00:20:15goffa_i've found it to be very handy though
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00:20:42Juxtyeah sounds like a good device
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00:21:07goffa_i like the build quality of the x5 too
00:21:21Juxtyeah i have heard its very solid
00:21:22goffa_built with steel.. although... gets hot if you leave it in the sun
00:21:24pixelmaCYPER^: I tried that once... it ignores the ones after position 10
00:21:43Juxti hide from the sun
00:21:52goffa_i do too now :)
00:22:16goffa_one day i wasn't thinking and just about got the iaudio logo branded into my hand :)
00:22:22CYPER^10x pixelma - you saved me some time :)
00:22:26Juxtwow this is one helluva deal - $179 for a widescreen lcd -
00:23:34goffa_yeah.. the floor has dropped out fo the lcd market
00:23:46goffa_19's are going for under $200 a lot
00:24:05Juxtfirst widescrren i have seen that low
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00:25:53A_MPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, that was the original plan. but then I started thinking about what would happen if I allow songs to appear more than once.
00:25:57A_MPaul_The_Nerd: if I dont allow songs to appear more than once then after a while of playback you're left with just the leftovers (low-weighted songs).
00:26:02A_MPaul_The_Nerd: but if I do allow high-weighted songs to appear more than once and yet always want all files to have at least a slim chance of getting
00:26:06A_MPaul_The_Nerd: chosen for playback then you'd need the generated playlist to be longer than the list of files you choose from.
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00:30:11A_MPaul_The_Nerd: additionally, if you may in the future also want to do weighting on things that may be altered in run-time, like rating, or how long ago a song was playing or so. it would be better if you could just change the weighting for this song when this info is altered without having to regenerate the entire list.
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00:52:36goffa_hi RaeNye
00:52:47goffa_how's the x5 work comin?
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00:53:37RaeNyeI got the debian colinux set
00:54:07 Part cs_weasel
00:54:10RaeNyefinally I saw how the UI sim *looks like*
00:55:00RaeNyenow I'm resyncing my patches and doing the test compiles linus wanted
00:55:28goffa_going to be nice to have that stuff working
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00:58:30RaeNyeyeah... too bad my own X5 isn't :(
00:58:45goffa_what happened to yours anyway?
00:58:56goffa_i had to send my h140 in today
00:59:04***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:59:34RaeNyedoesn't respond anymore. No idea why.
00:59:49goffa_i suppose warranty is up?
01:00:16goffa_they were good when my screen broke
01:00:37RaeNyeTwo days ago it did the same thing and after 30 mins of tampering with it, suddenly it behaved normally. Then yesterday it died again.
01:00:55RaeNyeYeah, it's only 3 months old. I'll prolly go to the store tomorrw
01:01:19goffa_yeah... good idea
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01:02:47RaeNyeThe weird thing is that when I try to pull the power switch, rarely it does a small backlight flicker. But save that, it doesn't respond to anything (AC, USB, reset, ...)
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01:04:01RaeNyehya linuxstb
01:05:02RaeNyegoffa_: are you using a real IRC client or the webthingy?
01:06:02BloodySorcererRaeNye, your X5 kicked the can?
01:07:02goffa_irssi to be specific
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01:08:00RaeNyebs: seems so
01:08:08BloodySorcererthat sucks :(
01:08:15RaeNyeI'm on the webthing, and it lags miserably
01:08:51goffa_yeah.. i had some pretty nasty lag at work.. but that's work's fault :)
01:08:54RaeNyeI know... but it's under warranty and I have backup for everything on it, so no major loss occured.
01:09:36BloodySorcererwhat about the presence of rockbox?
01:09:43RaeNyeis irssi for windows or linux? I only used mirc (but that was AGES ago)
01:09:50BloodySorcererirssi is for linux
01:09:59BloodySorcereror cygwin maybe
01:10:07goffa_um.. i think there's a windows xchat client if you are on there
01:10:17BloodySorcererim running it
01:10:42RaeNyebs: I'd eliminate it if I could, but as long as they're not inspecting the HDD they won't find out because of the dual-bootloader :-))
01:10:58sharpethe silverex build kept crashing for me :)
01:10:59BloodySorcererdual boot rocks...
01:11:13BloodySorcererdoes 2.10-k support file transfer over the USBOTG port?
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01:11:26goffa_nice ke4nt
01:11:26RaeNyeI have both, but the main is windows
01:12:09RaeNyeyeah. USBOTG is the main reason for dualbooting anyway
01:12:10BloodySorcererive got some old as heck build
01:12:18goffa_me too
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01:12:25BloodySorcererRae, i meant as USB slave
01:12:32BloodySorcerercause don't some 2.10-? builds support it?
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01:12:33goffa_ever since musepack got support under rockbox
01:12:40BloodySorcerer(eliminating the subpack to some extent?)
01:13:09BloodySorcererah, yup
01:13:11BloodySorcererit does :D
01:13:23BloodySorcererjust have to boot it as stock firmware
01:13:27BloodySorcererthen it's connection-aware
01:13:36RaeNyehmm.. I'm not sure. I know it works with 2.10-e which is 2.10-k without DRM, but..
01:13:58RaeNyeYeah, USBOTG is not able to wake up the device anyway
01:14:26goffa_bbl.. going to swim
01:14:27BloodySorcereryeah, it shows up as UMS
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01:14:33BloodySorcererwonder if itll also do MTP...
01:14:48RaeNyebtw, if you lshw it, you can see differences between the USB id stuff between subpack and otg
01:15:02RaeNyeI managed to MTP with my camera
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01:15:11RaeNyebye goffa
01:15:30BloodySorcereri wish it'd connect to my camera :(
01:15:45qwmwhat is better than discussing difficult rockbox situations over lunch?
01:15:50RaeNyewhich one you have? I got Canon A85
01:15:56BloodySorcerercanon A610
01:16:01RaeNyehaving sex, obviously
01:16:13qwmno, discussing them over a fancy dinner!
01:16:17qwmyou might be right.
01:16:18BloodySorcererdeveloping rockbox over lunch!
01:16:25qwmyou're right RaeNye
01:17:04BloodySorcererargh, i hate AA batteries
01:17:09BloodySorcereri should just get some rechargables
01:17:15BloodySorcerer(or, indeed, many many rechargables)
01:17:21qwm-AA and i agree.
01:17:49qwmi fear the battery in my ipod more than i fear death.
01:18:12qwmwell.. i fear the day it'll stop working.
01:18:31BloodySorcereri hope the one in my X5L never dies
01:18:34BloodySorcereror at least not for a while
01:18:37*BloodySorcerer crosses his fingers
01:18:53RaeNyeI got some rechargeables for the wireless mouse. It eats power.
01:19:11BloodySorcereri just realized
01:19:12sharpeyeah, electronics do that.
01:19:16RaeNyeBS: actually replacing the X5L battery is almost painless
01:19:17BloodySorcereri dunno how to use USBOTG on the stock firmware.
01:19:24BloodySorcererare there replacement batteries?
01:19:45BloodySorcererand i just realized that rockbox style controls do not work in the OF
01:19:56RaeNyeyou have there one small soldered one and a big one with a mini-connector.
01:20:00RaeNyesharpe: :)
01:21:18BloodySorcererUSBOTG works on my camera now!
01:21:36BloodySorcerernow lets see if i can view the image in rockbox...
01:22:10BloodySorcererwe need USBOTG implemented on rockbox
01:22:14BloodySorcererthen remote camera control :D
01:22:21RaeNyeit didn't work with the 2.07-e version for me either.
01:22:40qwm-we need+i want.
01:22:41BloodySorcererit didnt work in my old OF so i wasnt too hopeful
01:22:57BloodySorcererqwm, that *should* be the same thing :D
01:23:18*BloodySorcerer just realized that he has no value to the rockbox project as anything but an obnoxious user
01:23:21RaeNyeActually I've been researching USBOTG OF code. I might be able to detect connection ** if I had a X5 to try this on **
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01:23:41BloodySorcereri'd love to do dev for rockbox, but im afraid of doing pretty much anything
01:23:46BloodySorcererout of fear of the dreaded brick
01:23:53BloodySorcererand my general non-knowledge of compiling in linux
01:24:17RaeNyeso do high-level code (the kind you can test thoroughly on UI simulator)
01:24:28BloodySorcereri dont know where to start
01:24:45BloodySorcereri'd write a plugin for the "hello world" experience, but the guide is vague and i dunno what im doing in general
01:24:47RaeNyeyou know C
01:25:16RaeNyeyou compiled CVS alright?
01:25:46RaeNyeyou are able to compile patched builds (maybe even resync when necessary)?
01:26:31RaeNyewhat doesn't work with the hello world plugin?
01:26:46BloodySorcerernothing, except the lack of one :)
01:26:52sharpethere is one...
01:26:57BloodySorcerer*goes to site*
01:27:15sharpelast time i checked, it was still in the source.
01:27:32*BloodySorcerer checks his source
01:27:34RaeNyemaybe it's not in SOURCES
01:27:36sharpeit just isn't set to build along with rockbox. (not included in the SOURCES file)
01:28:02BloodySorcererah, yup.
01:28:04BloodySorcererthere it is
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01:32:53BloodySorcererso it'll compile stuff in the SOURCES file?
01:33:15BloodySorcererso if i were to add "helloworld.c" to the SOURCES file under plugins common to all models it'd build it for any model/sim?
01:33:26sharpeyes, just add the helloworld.c to the file.
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01:34:50juxtaphow can i add an audio input on my ipod? :]
01:35:21sharpeyou mean record?
01:35:37juxtapwell yeah that's the idea
01:35:43juxtap(when rockbox supports that)
01:36:07juxtapbut i'm wondering if an adapter is available to buy
01:36:10sharpeit's just not supported on ipods yet. i believe linuxstb is working on it...
01:36:17juxtapyeah he is
01:36:22BloodySorcererdo ipods have line in or anything?
01:36:24sharpethe ipods (as far as i know) all record through the headphone jack
01:36:29sharpei think they've a line in...
01:36:58juxtapi think 5g ipods will go through the usb connector?
01:37:18juxtapdock connector
01:39:58linuxstb_Yes, the official recording accessories for the 5g all seem to plug into the dock connector.
01:40:49juxtaprecording accessories? where?!
01:40:57sharpejust a guess,
01:41:32BloodySorcererhellworld plugin built and runs
01:41:34juxtapi assumed it was a hack
01:41:45juxtapmore people would know about it otherwise :p
01:42:05juxtapi've never heard of anyone recording onto their ipod
01:42:17linuxstb_Google for italk...
01:42:49RaeNyenow do something more difficult :-P
01:43:07BloodySorcererfirst i have to think of something to do
01:43:41sharpeyeah, you run out of ideas quickly.
01:43:53BloodySorcererand then i have to figure out why its compiling soooo slowly
01:44:08sharpeusing cygwin are ye?
01:44:15sharpethat'd be why.
01:44:28RaeNyeI never run out idea, just of coding time
01:44:37BloodySorcererbut the sim compiled significantly slower than the normal firmware...
01:44:39*BloodySorcerer shrugs
01:44:46BloodySorcerertime to tinker with things i suppose
01:45:36RaeNyex86 is a more complicated processor, so optimization is harder
01:45:50BloodySorcerersomething about that just feels ironic
01:46:36RaeNyeoptimization FOR it, not BY it
01:47:06RaeNyeanyone wants to commit FS #5681? it's a no-brainer
01:48:42*RaeNye wonders when he will get commit access
01:49:08sharpeway before i do. :)
01:49:25peturjust be nice to LinusN/Bagder/Zagor :)
01:49:49*petur wanted to mention something about beer too :D
01:50:25*RaeNye bribes with more expensive alcohol
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01:51:17peturthat patch just maps the ESC key to POWER
01:51:45sharpei couldn't tell that at all... :)
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01:52:25RaeNyeI know. that's why no programming experience is needed to commit it :)
01:52:35petursorry, I'm still 5 degrees celcius above my limit for thinking
01:52:50*petur longs for winter
01:53:02sharpegee. that's nine degrees fahrenheit. ahah...
01:53:08RaeNyewhere are you from?
01:53:33RaeNyeand what's the temp around there?
01:53:47peturit's still 30 degrees celcius right now (1:53 AM)
01:54:14RaeNyehow's the humidity?
01:54:28peturno idea
01:54:35BloodySorcererits humid and hot as heck here.
01:54:37*linuxstb is looking forward to 36C in London tomorrow...
01:54:44BloodySorcererwhich almost passes as a heck of a lot of alliteration
01:55:23RaeNyehere (Tel Aviv) we have ~35 with 90% humidity from May to October. I'm used to the heat :)
01:56:52BloodySorcerernevermind, weather here is loverly compared to that :)
01:56:58*BloodySorcerer folds
01:57:45RaeNyelol. That's not so bad as you may think. We mostly stay in well cooled buildings :)
01:58:08RaeNyeAir conditioning is everywhere
01:58:25sharpe33°C for me right now...
01:58:52*BloodySorcerer is quickly remembering why he usually doesn't code in C
01:59:28sharpesuppose to be 34 tomorrow...
01:59:59peturRaeNye: commit coming up ;)
02:00:20sharpegah, i never spot things like that.
02:01:06RaeNyebs: what's your lang?
02:01:24RaeNyeMine's Python
02:01:30BloodySorcereri started on java
02:01:39BloodySorcererso naturally i'm used to lazy coding :)
02:01:47BloodySorcerertransitioned halfway decently to C++
02:02:07*petur spots TAB's in the patched code just before commit
02:02:21BloodySorcererdun dun dun dunnnn
02:02:22sharpeoh no!!
02:03:15sharpeRaeNye: how could you use tabs?!
02:03:19RaeNyeI don't do tabs. They're evil. You could blame me for 2 spaces instead of four, though.
02:03:52peturweird. there were two tabs in front of the break statement
02:04:20RaeNyemaybe vi put them there?
02:04:22*BloodySorcerer twiddles thumbs and waits for cygwin to compile
02:04:46RaeNyeIt's a new dev-env, afterall
02:05:25RaeNyeis there an option to tell vi never to do this blasphemy again?
02:05:46BloodySorcererslap it and use something else?
02:07:41linuxstbjuxtap: This is one of the official line-in/microphone adapters for the 5g:,1895,1989254,00.asp
02:07:56linuxstbI _think_ it's just become available in stores in the last week or so.
02:08:19RaeNyevi is obligatory for less-than-7-lines long changes
02:08:20BloodySorcererwhats the flag to pass to the sim to show the player body and buttons?
02:08:41BloodySorcererah, better
02:09:11RaeNyeBTW, the first thing i do with sim build is to cancel the "first key only lights backlight" thing
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02:21:38peturduh... h300 doesn't have power button :/
02:22:06CYPER^One thing I can't understand: How can I place %bt wherever I want?
02:22:23CYPER^or any other similar tag
02:24:43CYPER^I'm editing one wps
02:24:44RaeNyepetur: it's wrapped in a #ifdef
02:25:01CYPER^and don't know how to place it
02:25:04CYPER^so I can see it
02:25:29peturRaeNye: I know, it's no bug, just wanted to test it and build the wrong target ;)
02:26:21midkayCYPER^: you just *put* it somewhere. WPs' are line-based so whatever line you put it on it'll appear. things appear just one-after-the-other on each line. check the alignment tags too..
02:27:11pixelmaCYPER^: did you read ?
02:27:39CYPER^what I'm trying to do is add "battery left" info to the SimpleHelv wps
02:27:43CYPER^can you help please?
02:27:59CYPER^I want to put it in the upper left corner next to the battery icon
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02:28:17CYPER^pixelma I've been reading it for 5 hours
02:28:29sharpethere aren't that many words on it...
02:28:50CYPER^I know, but it's difficult to understand
02:29:03RaeNyejust experiment on a sim build
02:29:06sharpeooh, understanding it for five hours. okay.
02:29:20CYPER^in one wps file there are like 50 lines
02:29:48CYPER^that for the battery icon: %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>>
02:30:01CYPER^I change it to: %bt %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>>
02:30:06CYPER^didn't show up
02:30:17CYPER^or %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> %bt
02:30:38RaeNyeIf the only thing in the WPS is %bt, does it work?
02:31:02CYPER^I haven't tried. What's the point?
02:31:16RaeNyesanity check
02:31:47CYPER^anybody willing to help?
02:31:48pixelmaCYPER^: you have to put it on the line above the one with the playlist info (probably blank ATM)
02:32:05RaeNyeno, really. If it doesn't work *alone* then something's wrong
02:32:34sharpelike... insanely wrong.
02:32:36CYPER^I havent tried
02:33:07CYPER^ok see
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02:33:26CYPER^see the part Battery
02:35:14peturRaeNye: I've build an x5 sim but pressing the ESC key doesn't really do much. Shouldn't a power button shut down or something?
02:35:16pixelmaah no I guess it doesn't work this way - on this line a progress bar is defined that hass to be on its own line...
02:35:31RaeNyeno, it's for exiting plugins, etc.
02:35:47RaeNyecouldn't do it any other way
02:36:23RaeNyeit's like a short POWER press
02:36:26CYPER^pixelma any other solution then?
02:36:26peturah, ok that seems to work
02:36:32pixelmaCYPER^: bitmaps work because they are placed by giving positions
02:36:43*RaeNye has hidden the bug well :)
02:36:57CYPER^I know that, but do you do with just plain tags
02:37:03CYPER^how do you position them?
02:37:55pixelmaif you want to keep the progress bar... I have no solution for this
02:38:39CYPER^too bad for me :(
02:38:46CYPER^I can't even build my own theme :(
02:39:04CYPER^all I want is dynamic battery icon + time left
02:39:40pixelmaas midkay said: put it on the line you want and use align tags
02:40:30sharpei haven't seen you in years! how've you been?!
02:40:57CYPER^but how do i understand which line in the wps file corresponds to which line on the ipod
02:41:29midkayi was great until you started talking to me.
02:41:57midkayCYPER^: not only are you supposed to check the lines for the tags to see what's what, but you have *comments* all over that WPS - that's rare.
02:42:37CYPER^I surrended :(
02:45:31pixelmaCYPER^: very hard to explain in just a few words... maybe you can study different wps codes to understand how it works (just a suggestion)
02:47:13sharpeit's not like you're ordering him to anyway.
02:48:28pixelmathanks sharpe :)
02:48:38sharpehey, it's what i'm here for.
02:48:48pixelmaand the SimpleHelv isn't a good start maybe because of all the comment lines
02:49:29CYPER^that's the 3rd wps I'm trying to reconstruct
02:49:42CYPER^at the end I just can't make it work
02:50:12CYPER^is there a web site where I can download some other themes
02:50:28CYPER^ I checked it
02:50:29sharpeCYPER^: maybe you can take a look at if you want to write one yourself..
02:50:50CYPER^actually I was lookint at this
02:51:18sharpeyeah, but you may understand that one better... just a thought...
02:52:08CYPER^tomorrow maybe - it's too late now to think :)
02:52:45pixelmaI assume you checked the wps gallery?
02:52:58RaeNye10x petur. My next patch to commit is the X5 contrast & brightness. This one has no tabs, I just checked.
02:53:17CYPER^and about SimpleHev - I added that %bt on 3 different places, but nothing extra shows on the screen
02:54:00peturRaeNye: sorry, I'm off to bed soon and anyway, I don't commit if I can't test...
02:54:28RaeNyenp, I prefer to let all devs enjoy my patches :)
02:55:25RaeNyesweet dreams.
02:56:08CYPER^good night everybody :)
02:56:13CYPER^thanks for the support :)
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04:49:07goffa_ heh.. everyone must be burnt out
04:49:11goffa_awfully dead in here
04:49:55midkaythere's just nothing to say!
04:50:05goffa_i doubt that :)
04:50:35goffa_more happened today than in the last 2 months .. at least it felt that way :)
04:50:44goffa_but then i own an x5
04:51:43sharpei just have nothing to do...
04:52:11*midkay is frustrated with mapping.
04:52:11goffa_do you code? i can give you something to do :)
04:52:22sharpemidkay: mapping?
04:52:34midkaysharpe: my hl2dm map? hello? :)
04:52:44sharpeyou've never told me of that
04:53:13midkaywell, i've talked to scorche in the channel about it several times while you were around, and i'm quite sure you inquired and were enlightened...
04:53:39sharpei was probably on the phone at the time, not listening, as i was using my headset. :)
04:53:59midkayi've been working on it for probably 3 weeks, it was before "that time" you were on the phone. :)
04:54:20sharpei must've just not cared enough to remember. :-D
04:54:28midkaywhat an a-hole.
04:54:34goffa_he he he
04:54:37sharpejust returning the favor.
04:55:02midkaysigh. gah.
04:56:26sharpegoffa_: what was that about the coding? :)
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04:57:23goffa_well... i'd like to get a patch that would implement queue and play as a default action
04:57:40goffa_like when you go into your file browser and pick a file
04:57:52goffa_have it just play that instead of blowing away your list
04:57:53BloodySorcereri'd like an easy way to clear a playlist.
04:58:03BloodySorcereror am i dumb and there is one but i havent discovered it?
04:58:16sharpethere's an option to clear the list in the playlist options menu...
04:58:18midkayin "playlist options"..
04:58:20midkaybah you.
04:58:29sharpelove you too midkay.
04:58:42goffa_what i don't understand is why the default action is the way it is..
04:58:42*BloodySorcerer looks
04:58:49goffa_if i want to listen to a dir i just turn shuffle off
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04:59:23BloodySorcererall i see is
04:59:33BloodySorcererview current playlist, search in playlist, save current playlist, and reshuffle
04:59:42goffa_BloodySorcerer: could you make an empty m3u?
04:59:51midkayis there already a playlist active?
04:59:55BloodySorcereryes, i suppose
05:00:11goffa_and... other question.. why do you want to have a clear list?
05:00:24sharpewhen viewing the current playlist, does it show a playlist, or do nothing?
05:00:30BloodySorcererit shows a playlist
05:00:38midkayhmm, i forgot.. i thought there was an option there..
05:00:44sharpeme too...
05:00:52BloodySorcerertheres the remove track thing
05:00:58sharpei thought i just used it a little while ago...
05:00:59BloodySorcererbut that tends to get tedious fast...
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05:01:15midkayBloodySorcerer: stopping playback erases it, i think, no?
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05:01:26BloodySorcereri dunno
05:01:32BloodySorcerertheres a stop function?
05:01:42sharpehold play a second or two
05:01:42midkayiPod..? hold play.
05:01:51midkayshut up sharpe. it was my suggestion. i get to teach him.
05:02:00midkayi think x5 has 'play' too right? it should be the same key..
05:02:12midkayjust hold it for a second.
05:02:13goffa_yeah.. x5 has play
05:02:25sharpemidkay: i'm just here to help, no need to viciously lash out at my attempt to help...
05:02:37BloodySorcererstop wanting to help so badly you 2 :-P
05:02:38midkayi didn't viciously lash out, i said "shut up".
05:02:46sharpethat's lashing out.
05:02:48midkaydon't try to help. you fail.
05:02:59midkaythat's lashing out, sure, but not 'viciously' lashing out.
05:02:59sharpeyou're the one who can't spell, parentheses.
05:03:12midkayyou're the one that can't spell those few words i've seen you misspell a few times!
05:03:15goffa_lol.. go make my patch :)
05:03:25sharpeoh gah, way to bring that up, such a comeback!
05:03:27BloodySorcererstopping does indeed clear the playlist
05:03:35midkaygenius indeed.
05:03:45sharpeof course.
05:03:49goffa_well.. one problem solved
05:04:04BloodySorcerer2, actually
05:04:07BloodySorcererthe problem of "wheres stop"
05:04:11BloodySorcererand the problem of "wheres clear"
05:04:19sharpegoffa_: so you just want to be able to play a song without it changing the playlist?
05:04:25goffa_sharpe: yes
05:04:49sharpelike a one time thing?
05:05:05goffa_well.. like
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05:05:13goffa_you pick a song it plays that song
05:05:16goffa_then goes to the next one in the list
05:05:33sharpeuh huh...
05:05:42goffa_like not queue the dir by default
05:05:55sharpethat's how i always lose my playlists
05:05:56midkayYES. YES. YES. i own.
05:06:08goffa_same here
05:06:12goffa_pisses me off :)
05:06:14sharpemidkay: finally figure out how to make that cube solid? :-D
05:06:19goffa_i have to go and reload root.m3u
05:06:32midkaysharpe: haha. what the hell. you can't make a nonsolid cube you stupid tart.
05:06:32tritochi followed all the instructions on the rockbox wiki under ipodinstallation for my ipod nano, but i cant get it to load
05:06:58sharpetritoch: well, the obligatory question, what happens when your ipod boots?
05:07:09tritochit goes to apples menu
05:07:20sharpedo you see the rockbox bootloader?
05:07:26tritochunless rockbox looks the exact same
05:07:36sharpedid you actually install the bootloader?
05:07:37tritochnot since i unplugged it after installing the bootloader
05:07:41tritochi saw the -1 status
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05:07:45tritochthen i installed rockbox
05:07:54tritochjust wont boot it
05:08:02Paul_The_NerdWhat does it say?
05:08:10sharpehold select and menu, and tell me if it gives an error code when it boots up.
05:08:12tritochit says... nothing. its the apple thing
05:08:29Paul_The_NerdWhat apple thing?
05:08:36tritochahhh select+menu worked
05:08:41tritochi just couldnt hard restart it
05:08:48tritochthank you
05:08:51tritochnow to try this baby out
05:08:51sharpeyou're welcome
05:08:55tritochgood work guys
05:09:00tritochjust found out about this today
05:09:05tritochbut i love stuff like this
05:09:15tritochgot the same thing running on my omnifi
05:09:23Paul_The_NerdToday, for the first time ever, I bumped into a random person who knew what Rockbox is.
05:09:34sharpeoh my gosh!!
05:09:55sharpehow did rockbox come up...?
05:10:00BloodySorcererthey'res such a thing?
05:10:13BloodySorcerernormally i either get stares, condescending smiles, or dumbasses drooling over doom
05:10:14Paul_The_NerdI was at Best Buy, buying my mother an iPod, and the girl working the DAP department recognized the logo on my shirt.
05:10:27BloodySorcererpeople at best buy know what they're talking about?!?!
05:10:31sharpeyou've a rockbox logo on your shirt?
05:10:38Paul_The_NerdI have one of the DevCon shirts.
05:10:42BloodySorcererthere are rockbox shirts?!?!?!?!
05:10:47sharpeBloodySorcerer: nope.
05:10:50BloodySorcereroh, ok.
05:10:51Paul_The_NerdNot really.
05:10:59sharpeif someone were to design them...
05:11:12BloodySorcerertime to get out the printer and those transfer sheet things and the ironer....
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05:13:28Paul_The_NerdUnfortunately, she hadn't tried it. Just read about it at CNET.
05:13:38sharpewell, better than nothing.
05:14:17BloodySorcererbetter than militaristically touting ipods like my friends.
05:14:58BloodySorcerer'specially the one that refers to it as an "mpeg level 4 audio player"
05:15:09BloodySorcererand gets offended when i call it an mp3 player....
05:15:12goffa_um... isn't girl who works at best buy who knows what rockbox is one of the seven signs out of revelations?
05:15:32BloodySorcererthat or the perfect woman.
05:15:39sharpegoffa_: no, that would be the one that uses rockbox and works at an apple store. read it again.
05:15:48Paul_The_Nerdgoffa_: She was cute too.
05:16:04sharpedid you suggest she check rockbox out?
05:16:23BloodySorcererdid you suggest that she call you up?
05:17:02sharpegoffa_: twould mean like, "read it again." meaning, read the book that states that again. since there is no such book, it should be funny... :)
05:17:39goffa_oh.. i was referring to the bible .. just before the 4 horsemen and the rivers boiling blood
05:17:54sharpeah then.
05:17:57BloodySorcereririver is boiling blood?
05:18:11BloodySorcererthat doesn't sound like a very sensical manufacturing process
05:18:11goffa_he he he
05:18:17sharpehmm, deja vu.
05:18:49BloodySorcererall over again?
05:21:46goffa_grr.. got sidetracked
05:21:57BloodySorcererwelcome to IRC!
05:22:09goffa_now its too late to come up with a quip about iriver using blood in their manufacturing process
05:22:27BloodySorcererno it isnt
05:22:28BloodySorcererdo it do it
05:22:43BloodySorcererwe'll pretend it isnt wildly out of context
05:22:44sharpewe just copy and paste it in the logs, it'll be okay.
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05:23:49JPMaximiliani'm having a problem compiling ipod_fw.c
05:23:54BloodySorcerer todays log....
05:24:09BloodySorcerersorry goffa_, might be too late for wildly out of context comment transplanting
05:24:35goffa_he he he.. won't be the first time i've been a victim of that
05:24:46sharpekeep stalling... :)
05:25:04BloodySorcererc'mon goffa
05:25:05JPMaximiliancould anyone here help me with a problem compiling ipod_fw.c
05:25:17sharpeJPMaximilian: possibly...
05:25:18goffa_ha ha ha... you actually think i have a smart ass comment?
05:25:25Paul_The_NerdJPMaximilian: Go ahead and explain the problem
05:25:34midkayJPMaximilian: you need to ask the question instead of asking us if we can help. we don't know if we can assist you unless we know what the problem.
05:25:49BloodySorcerer-. -is + is.
05:26:07JPMaximilianmidkay: quite so, ipod_fw.c doesn't compile, i could post the whole output, but i bet you don't want me to do that
05:26:10midkaythat's assuming +is means add is to the end of the line; it doesn't.
05:26:33midkayJPMaximilian: so we're just supposed to guess what the problem is based on "it doesn't work"? any errors or what?
05:26:34BloodySorcererwell then shit.
05:26:40Paul_The_NerdJPMaximilian: How 'bout just telling us the line with the error message. "It doesn't compile" can have thousands of causes.
05:27:11*BloodySorcerer blinks rapidly
05:27:17BloodySorcererfeature freeze lifted?!
05:27:31midkayPaul_The_Nerd must be quite miffed about that, by the way.. :)
05:27:41Paul_The_NerdI understand why they did it.
05:27:51midkayas do i..
05:27:55Paul_The_NerdAnd really, since they have a plan for putting out 3.0 anyway, I'm okay with it.
05:28:07Paul_The_NerdI've kinda fluctuated both ways about the issue in the past anyway.
05:28:08goffa_i think its better that they lifted it
05:28:18goffa_i think it was hindering development on the x5
05:28:30midkaywhat do you mean? a plan for putting it out? it must come out sooner or later, or do you mean like a schedule?
05:28:57goffa_and it can't be worse than vista or duke nukem :)
05:29:00JPMaximilianthe first errors are that "No such file or directory" for stdio.h stdlib.h string.h errno.h unistd.h
05:29:05Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I mean a "We saved the source as it was before we released the freeze, so if we need to we can back the playback fixes into it without any potentially stability harming new features being included"
05:29:18midkayah. that's right.
05:29:20Paul_The_NerdJPMaximilian: Sounds like your C compiler isn't well installed / set up.
05:29:31BloodySorcerergoffa_, or starcraft:ghost
05:29:41JPMaximiliani'm running ubuntu 6.06 and i did a synaptic install of gcc, is there something else i should install?
05:29:45BloodySorcererand yes, it made the x5 feel hindered, which made me, an X5L owner, sad :)
05:29:56goffa_me too BloodySorcerer
05:30:08Paul_The_NerdHonestly, the X5 changes were available as patches.
05:30:11BloodySorcererbut im glad we're allowed to make progress now :)
05:30:23BloodySorcereryeah, but some of them desynced with the CVS rendering them inapplicable
05:30:28goffa_but then i never thought of making all of the chips functional as "adding features"
05:30:42BloodySorcererUSBOTG :)
05:30:47midkayall of the chips functional? hm?
05:31:13BloodySorcererthen again, USBOTG did just get that nice sleep spell commited to CVS
05:31:17BloodySorcererwhich does help battery life a lot
05:31:19midkayit's not 'functional', really, it's just a basic way of turning it off, and that was *one* chip.
05:31:24midkayif you're talking about that, yeah..
05:31:38BloodySorcerer(i wasnt calling it functional, i was calling it not)
05:31:40*Paul_The_Nerd would personally rather see another target actually *finish* rather than "progress" being made on a new port.
05:31:57Paul_The_NerdEspecially since the playback fixes and voice fixed *would've* benefited both X5 and iPod users as well. Essentially everyone but Archoses.
05:32:04midkayit's nice seeing progress on all fronts..
05:32:06goffa_yeah... well i know that rockbox will never be "finished"
05:32:15Paul_The_NerdYeah, but it can reach a release state.
05:32:27goffa_so i like to see more players .. gives more options
05:32:31Paul_The_NerdI consider that *a* finish. Like a baton-pass in a marathon.
05:32:37goffa_i look forward to new cvs more than new versions
05:32:48BloodySorcerergoffa_, same
05:32:52JPMaximilianPaul_The_Nerd: i'm running ubuntu 6.06 and i did a synaptic install of gcc, is there something else i should install
05:33:03Paul_The_NerdJPMaximilian: You should check that GCC works for other purposes.
05:33:38goffa_JPMaximilian: um.. did you get build-essential?
05:33:52JPMaximiliangoffa_: nope
05:33:57goffa_try that
05:34:04goffa_i think that's the package name
05:34:46goffa_did you run in the /tools
05:34:58Paul_The_Nerdgoffa_: He's just making ipod_fw right now.
05:35:01Paul_The_NerdDoesn't need cross-compilers.
05:35:06goffa_oh.. ok
05:35:16goffa_well build essential would be a start i think
05:35:24JPMaximiliani'm getting that now
05:36:35JPMaximiliangoffa_: awesome, it compiled
05:37:14goffa_i actually helped someone in this channel :) (usually i'm not smart enough.. lol)
05:37:24BloodySorcerergo goffa_!
05:37:26*BloodySorcerer gives goffa_ a cookie
05:37:41BloodySorcererso who wants to help n00b with CVS?
05:38:04JPMaximilianok, so i can't execute ipod_fw, do i need to add that to my scripts folder?
05:38:18Paul_The_NerdHave you made it executable?
05:38:21BloodySorcerernamely, updating my source files without having to unpatch them and then repatch after updating (which, by the way, i don't know how to do [update that is])
05:38:42Paul_The_NerdBloodySorcerer: cvs update should update them without unpatching...
05:38:43JPMaximilianPaul_The_Nerd: you mean permissions?
05:39:03goffa_yeah.. like chmod u+x ipod_fw
05:39:05goffa_or whatever
05:39:11BloodySorcererok paul
05:39:16*BloodySorcerer tries
05:39:23JPMaximilianits at 1600755 right now
05:39:30Paul_The_NerdBloodySorcerer: I prefer cvs update -dP actually
05:41:28BloodySorcerercvs screams that no CVSROOT specified! please use the '-d' option
05:41:59sharpetry doing it in your base rockbox directory... like the one with rockbox in it's name. :)
05:42:26Paul_The_NerdYeah, check out the sources, then cd into the folder (when you do an ls you should see 'apps' 'tools' and various others)
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05:42:52BloodySorcererthat would make sense wouldnt it :)
05:43:11BloodySorcereri'll assume its doing something now, as it isnt screaming
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05:43:25BloodySorcereryup, there it goes
05:43:36JPMaximilianipod_fw works when I added it to sbin, so i guess that was the problem
05:43:58BloodySorcereri like CVS...
05:52:37JPMaximiliando i run ipod_fw 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin for a 3g ipod or ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin
05:53:24sharpeyou mean, do you use the -g switch?
05:53:51JPMaximiliansharpe: ok, thanks
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05:58:09BigMacis their anyway i can get the source from my current build
05:58:15BigMacso i can apply some patches
05:58:32goffa_BigMac: yep :)
05:58:49BigMacthank you
05:59:00sharpegoffa_: on a roll today are we?
05:59:11goffa_guess so :)
05:59:19BigMacno,its a custom build
05:59:28BloodySorcereryou're what, 2 for 2 now goffa_?
05:59:34BloodySorcereroh, maybe not.
05:59:41goffa_1.5 for 2 :)
05:59:52sharpelets see if he can still help with this one...
06:01:03goffa_you don't have the last build do you? or did you nuke the dir?
06:01:56BigMaci'm not sure. i have jbuild.
06:07:26goffa_there's probably a way.. but i'm not sure
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06:20:01JPMaximilianis the interface of rockbox the same as the origional ipod firmware?
06:20:16chendobut there are WPSes that look like the ipod
06:21:42JPMaximilianbut if my interface looks exactly the same as before i probably didn't get rockbox installed?
06:21:57goffa_right JPMaximilian
06:22:08goffa_you should see a rockbox bootscreen
06:22:15goffa_at some point
06:23:02JPMaximilianblast, how do i go about "Unzip the daily build into the root directory of the iPod.", i just extracted the files into my ipod, and that didn't seem to work
06:23:30goffa_are they in a .rockbox folder?
06:23:49goffa_and there should be a rockbox.something too
06:23:58goffa_like on my player rockbox.iaudio
06:25:07JPMaximilianthere is a .rockbox folder as well as a rockbox.ipod file
06:25:37goffa_those should go into the root of the player
06:25:44JPMaximilianhowever, my ipod shows up as /dev/sdb instaed of /dev/sda
06:25:52goffa_yeah.. that shouldn't matter
06:26:08JPMaximilianhow do i add that file/folder to root?
06:26:12earHertzfeature freeze is over and ipod 3gs now ork?
06:26:31JPMaximiliani just added it to the folder that comes up when i click on the ipod logo
06:26:40JPMaximilianit had like calenders, ipod_control, notes, etc in it
06:26:42goffa_hmm... that's probably root
06:27:02goffa_i don't know much about the ipod..
06:27:31goffa_i'm guessing you need to get the modified firmware on there somehow
06:27:47JPMaximilianmaybe i should have copied it to sda1, as opposed to sda2
06:27:50BloodySorcererhow do you list processes in linux?
06:28:12goffa_or ps aux
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06:34:10BloodySorcerervi makes me sad.
06:35:48goffa_why's that?
06:35:57BloodySorcererit doesnt let me exit.
06:36:05BloodySorcereri hit esc, i hit q, i hit enter, it does nothing
06:36:14goffa_if you want to write
06:36:17goffa_or q!
06:36:20goffa_to exit
06:36:33BloodySorcererthe : made it work.
06:36:35BloodySorcerer2.5/3 :)
06:36:59goffa_i usually use nano
06:37:29BloodySorcereri would
06:37:34BloodySorcererbut smoothwall doesnt have nano
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06:47:53BloodySorcereris it bad if i write my AIM away messages in C++?
06:48:19earHertzas long as it compiles\
06:48:33BloodySorcererk good
06:48:35BloodySorcereri'm safe then
06:48:41BloodySorcerer(it compiles)
06:49:42BloodySorcererg'night all
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07:02:29JPMaximiliani got rockbox working on a 3g ipod, flac's sound great
07:02:46goffa_and congrats
07:02:47JPMaximilianno skippage whatsoever
07:02:59JPMaximiliangoffa_: thanks, and thanks for your help
07:03:04goffa_no prob
07:03:31JPMaximilianthe only thing is, it doesn't seems to like colons or questions marks in my song names
07:03:41JPMaximilianlikely due to not mounting it right
07:04:00goffa_you don't have any wierd characters do you?
07:04:03JPMaximilianthe directions says to use -o utf8
07:04:30JPMaximilianwhat do you mean by weird? the only characters it doesn't like are ? and :
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07:05:01goffa_well.. like i've got u-ziq... and it doesnt like the mu
07:05:57JPMaximilianare you running linux?
07:06:19JPMaximilianbut you aren't using an ipod, right?
07:06:31goffa_i've got an x5 and an h140
07:06:43JPMaximiliando they just automoutn when you plug them in?
07:06:45goffa_actually.. xubuntu 6.06 on this box
07:06:54goffa_no.. i manually mount them
07:07:10JPMaximilianand you've tried -o utf8
07:07:24JPMaximiliangive that a whirl
07:07:37goffa_will do
07:08:15JPMaximilianin the install directions i was using there was this line: Make sure to mount with -o utf8 if you want non-ascii filenames to work.
07:08:17goffa_oh shit... the u-ziq is on the h140 (had to send that in for rma today)
07:08:36goffa_well the files play
07:08:40goffa_they just have funky chars
07:08:44goffa_i never did care about that
07:09:01goffa_but next time i'll try the utf8
07:09:10JPMaximilianyeah, its worth a shot
07:09:23JPMaximiliani'm running ubuntu, do you know how i'd manually mount my ipod, cause it just automounts
07:09:49goffa_can you umount then mount?
07:10:31JPMaximilianlets see...
07:13:23JPMaximilianwhat would the command for mount be mount /dev/sda2 ?
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07:13:40goffa_mount /dev/sda2 mountpoint
07:13:48goffa_well -o utf8 if you like
07:13:56JdGordondoes any1 here use the new playlist catalog feature?
07:14:03JPMaximilianwhat do you usually use for the mountpoint?
07:14:05goffa_not i
07:14:15goffa_i use /mnt/iaudio
07:14:22goffa_i got my iaudio first
07:14:29goffa_you could make a dir /mnt/ipod
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07:15:25JPMaximilianit says i need to specify the filesystem type
07:15:35goffa_i put this in my fstab to make it easier
07:15:37goffa_/dev/sdc1 /mnt/iaudio auto noauto,users,rw 0 0
07:15:45goffa_is hfs a type?
07:15:49goffa_otherwise -t vfat
07:16:24JPMaximilianwhat is fstab? i'm a linux noob if you hadn't already noticed :)
07:16:45goffa_file system table i assume
07:16:48goffa_its in /etc
07:17:01goffa_specifies points to automount if they exist on boot
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07:18:14goffa_well.. noauto tells it to not automount
07:18:30goffa_but to mount i can just do mount /mnt/iaudio
07:18:37goffa_and it knows what i'm talking about
07:19:05JPMaximiliani see, how would you add the filesystem and the -o utf8?
07:19:33goffa_in the fstab?
07:19:47goffa_um.. replace auto with the filesystem
07:20:00JPMaximilianso fat32 would be vfat?
07:20:04goffa_and i think you can put noauto,utf8,users,rw
07:20:37goffa_no auto tells it not to mount, users can mount it, read write
07:22:40goffa_did the umount then mount work?
07:23:38JPMaximiliannope, it says that mountpoint does not exist
07:23:52goffa_go to mount and mkdir the mountpoint
07:24:05goffa_er /mnt
07:28:21JPMaximilianok, so what is the command for unmount, because i've just been doing eject from the gui, so maybe that is the problem
07:28:47goffa_its umount mountpoint
07:31:29JPMaximilianok, i try umount, but it says that device is not mounted
07:31:37JPMaximilianeven though it shows up on the desktop
07:32:22goffa_hmm... i think debian (ubuntu whatever) might put stuff under /mount
07:33:00goffa_what shows up under media?
07:33:13JPMaximilianok, yeah, ipod is under media
07:33:22goffa_umount that
07:34:21JPMaximilianok, done
07:34:37goffa_ok... now you should be able to mount with whatever options you want
07:34:49JPMaximilianso would i tried sudo mount vfat /dev/sdb -o utf8 /media/ipod and that doesn't work
07:35:12goffa_oh.. sudo mount -t vfat
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07:37:55JPMaximilianwrong fs type, bad option, blah blah
07:38:09goffa_hmm... well its not vfat
07:38:23JPMaximilianwhat would fat32 be?
07:38:31goffa_fat32 is vfat
07:38:51JPMaximilianoh, i see what you're saying
07:38:55goffa_maybe the -o has to be at the end or before the mountpoint
07:39:14JPMaximilianwhat does the -o mean?
07:39:15goffa_like -t vfat -o utf8 /dev/sdb /media/ipod
07:40:34JPMaximilianwell it doesn't work even without that option
07:40:52goffa_yeah.. my guess is that fat32 is the wrong type
07:41:06goffa_try it without the -t vfat
07:41:14goffa_does it say you need to specify a type?
07:41:27goffa_oh wait
07:41:32goffa_try sdb1
07:41:35goffa_instead of sdb
07:41:43goffa_unless you have been
07:41:56JPMaximilianno, i've just been doing sdb
07:42:08goffa_the 1 or 2 is the partition on that device
07:42:35JPMaximilianok, it should be 2 i think
07:42:48JPMaximilianha! it worked
07:42:51JPMaximiliancool stuff
07:43:24amiconngoffa_: fat32 != vfat
07:43:38goffa_well from a mounting perspective
07:43:53amiconnyeah, maybe
07:44:31goffa_sorry about not clarifying JPMaximilian and amiconn
07:44:47*amiconn wonders why linux can't figure out the filesystem itself
07:44:58goffa_amiconn: he didn't specify partition
07:45:27goffa_it should mount without the -t now if you unmount it
07:45:38JPMaximilianso if i do /dev/sdb2 i don't have to specify the fs?
07:46:41JdGordonhmm.. cvs server is a bit slow atm...
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08:00:55sharpemy nickname to some friends is ziggy.
08:01:35JdGordonthe nickname of the basterd who screwed australias major telco and internet was ziggy untill he was fired :D
08:01:54JPMaximiliangoffa_: thanks a lot for your help, i owe you a beer or something
08:02:06goffa_he he he.. don't worry about it
08:04:48JdGordonhey hardeep, you did the playlist catalog didnt you?
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08:07:09Ponshello everybody
08:07:18hardeepJdGordon: yes
08:07:22JPMaximilianPons: ciao
08:07:31PonsJPMaximilian, hola
08:07:38JdGordonnice job, does it allow subdirs under /Playlists?
08:07:52Ponsis there any known way of playing ipod songs sorted using rockbox?
08:07:57hardeepJdGordon: no, it's only for a specific folder
08:08:05JdGordonhmm, ok
08:08:08Ponsi mean ipod songs added for original firmware
08:08:11JdGordonPons: enable tagcahe
08:08:18hardeepJdGordon: of course, you can specify your own folder by creating playlist_catalog.cfg
08:09:12JdGordonPons: ye, it will then let you use rockbox like the ipod does, if you set it to the id3 browser..
08:09:47Ponshow do i enable it?
08:09:49*JdGordon points Pons to to get the manul
08:10:01JdGordonsomehwere in the menus :D dunno of the top of my head
08:16:03*Pons 's ipod tag-cacheing
08:17:22hardeepJdGordon: dirwalker stuff looks good for the most part. However, I don't think it should be a separate file. Maybe part of tree.c?
08:18:02JdGordoni put it seperate because i belive a messy folder is better than a rediculously long file
08:18:39hardeepJdGordon: this is very closely related to tree though
08:18:50JPMaximiliandoes how do i go back the currently playing song, i have a 3g ipod and there is no manual for it
08:18:57JdGordonabout as closly as playlist_catalog.c is to playlist.c :D
08:19:07JdGordoni can move it if u want
08:19:22hardeepJdGordon: not really, catalog doesn't use any playlist functionality
08:19:44JdGordon... you win this round!
08:19:50Ponsis there any way of loading apple's default firm instead of rockbox at start without pressing menu?
08:20:02*JdGordon should remove his lolly colletion from next to the computer
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08:20:32JdGordonPons: i tihnk the iPl bootloader v2 has a menu or something, dunno
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08:22:35PonsiPl.. ipodlinux'
08:23:31amiconnchendo: Hmm, how do you run wine on amd64?
08:23:47amiconnThere's no debian-amd64 package for wine
08:24:33JdGordonamiconn: ./configure && make && make install ...
08:24:50Ponswhy did i initialize tag-cache
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08:25:01sharpePons: because you can.
08:25:03Ponsit did all the cache.. took a while
08:25:03JdGordonPons: so u can use the id3 browser
08:25:21Ponsand now id3 browser complains that tag cache is not ready
08:25:31chendoamiconn, well, i compiled mine
08:25:33chendoi run gentoo
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08:28:09Ponsi definitively like rockbox :D
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08:31:22sharpePons: that's the general response
08:31:35RibsI think I'll give rockbox another chance
08:32:01*Ribs was so impressed when he first used it, he donated
08:32:08Ribsfirst time I have done that for ANY project
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08:34:30JPMaximiliandoes anyknow know how do i go back the currently playing song, i have a 3g ipod and there is no manual for it
08:34:45earHertzJPMaximilian: try play
08:35:10JPMaximilianearHertz: ty
08:35:46JPMaximilianearHertz: i don't feel a little silly now or anything
08:36:07earHertzI wouldn';t. It took me a while to get that, and I could have loked in teh source code
08:36:32JPMaximilianyeah, i'm not on that level, but i thought i had pushed every button combination
08:36:48earHertzyou may have.
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08:37:28ravonHey. Will the SID codec be added to the main tree now?
08:38:35Bg3rravon it is already there...
08:40:10LinusNJdGordon: awake?
08:40:26LinusNlooking at your dirwalker patch
08:41:11LinusNlooks good
08:41:52LinusNhowever, i think there might be a more descriptive name than "dirwalker" :-)
08:42:25earHertzit recursively walks directories?
08:42:33JdGordonye, thats possibly an english slang term or something, its a nice short name for it tho
08:42:48LinusNi don't mind, really
08:43:05JdGordonhardeep didnt like it in a seperate file and thought it should go in tree.c, but i disagree...
08:43:13JdGordonearHertz: bingo
08:43:14earHertzoh please, no!
08:43:28LinusNwhy do you disagree?
08:43:32earHertztree.c is too damned confusing already
08:43:41JdGordonwell thats partly my reasoning
08:43:57earHertzplease, please please, unless it needs access to tre internal, keep it separate
08:44:21JdGordon<hardeep> JdGordon: dirwalker stuff looks good for the most part. However, I don't think it should be a separate file. Maybe part of tree.c?
08:44:21JdGordon[16:18:32] <JdGordon> i put it seperate because i belive a messy folder is better than a rediculously long fil
08:45:05earHertzI strongly agree with JdGordon
08:46:13LinusNi can see it both ways, but since it doesn't use any private data from tree.c, i think it's ok to have it in a separate file
08:46:25hardeeptwo files for a single function seems like overkill to me, just my opinion of course :)
08:46:50LinusNhowever, do we have any more related functions we could put in the same file?
08:47:27LinusNi agree with hardeep there
08:47:57LinusNi mean, could the file be a more generic "dirfunctions.c" or something?
08:48:09LinusNjust breainstorming here
08:48:24hardeepor fileutils.c to be even more generic
08:48:49earHertzIf they're logically relasted, sure,. But don't lump them just to cut down on files.
08:48:50LinusNdo we have any more functions that could fall in this category?
08:49:07LinusNearHertz: we always have misc.c :-)
08:49:12JdGordonnot really, not that i can think of off the top of my head
08:49:24earHertzbesides, we're going to be seeing a lot more files soon, if teh 3,0 idea of breaking out platforms and removing ifdefs is going to happen
08:49:28hardeepsome of the stuff in tree.c can probably be moved there
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08:50:28earHertzJdGordon: dirwalker uses a struct, so that differnt clients can use it at the same time/
08:50:54hardeepyeah, also strip_extension
08:50:58JdGordontree.c is already 1400lines and about a dozen functions, you really want to make it bigger?
08:51:00JdGordonearHertz: ?
08:51:16LinusNJdGordon: we are talking about moving files from tree.c to fileutils.c
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08:52:04JdGordonearHertz: no, it can only be used once at a time, but i dont tinhk its possible for it to be called simultaneously anyway
08:52:35LinusNthe current dirwalker can only be called from the main thread
08:52:56LinusNsince it reads buttons and writes to the lcd
08:53:08earHertztagcache and plugins will bnnever want to use it?
08:53:14earHertzoh, nevermind
08:53:16JdGordonok, so there you go
08:53:30JdGordonthe patch adds it to the plugin struct and stats.rock is updated to use it
08:53:39earHertz(eventually we should seperate gui stuff from functionality)
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09:11:47rojisanfyi: rockbox wiki has been appropriated by free ringtones spammers:;filename=free_ringtones.html
09:17:50sharpefree ringtones?! i need myself some of those!
09:18:12*JdGordon back
09:18:23sharpeJdGordon: free ringtones!!
09:19:05JdGordonmeh, i got bananaphone as a ringtone, not gonna get better than that :D
09:19:29midkayit's a momma and poppa and a dogaphone, it's a grandaphone it's a grandmaphone, it's a .. wait..
09:19:35midkaythat's .. not.. right.. never mind.
09:21:47JdGordonye, no all wrong
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09:22:05sharpering ring ring ring, banannaphone!
09:22:11sharpethree more
09:22:15sharperings in there sometime.
09:22:17JdGordonoh, i thought of a great idea for the fireworks plugin... has the launchers show on the remote lcd :D
09:22:30earHertzJdGordon: are you a scot?
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09:23:07earHertzwhat does "ye" means when you say it?
09:23:41JdGordonye == yeah == lazy yes :p
09:24:05earHertzI thought it might mean "you"
09:24:20JdGordonhaha, no,
09:24:28*earHertz shrugs
09:24:39JdGordoni should stop being lazy in international forums
09:25:53peturoh no, microsoft acquired sysinternals :(
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09:29:43JdGordonanyone know where there is a free online multiplayer ping pong game? im sure ive played it before but cant rmeember where
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09:30:12scorchevery easily found =)
09:30:17scorche(i searched for it the other day
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09:31:07JdGordon:( im looking, but can only find 2 players on the same comp, i want to play with a friend over the net
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09:31:49earHertz| .
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09:32:54petur| o (for beginners)
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09:33:46earHertzHi-res pong: (*
09:34:10Zagorguys, we have a new idea for stopping the wiki spam. but it involves a bit more work for the irc regulars:
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09:34:20*scorche perks up
09:34:29*earHertz brews
09:35:06Zagorthe idea is that we close it up a bit, by introducing access control.
09:35:17Zagorwhen you first register, you are not allowed to change any pages
09:35:18scorcheuh oh
09:35:20sharpei'm interested. :D
09:35:20scorchesame side
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09:35:55Zagorinstead you are sent to the irc channel to introduce yourself, and someone with access will add you to the group
09:36:08midkayah, that's an interesting idea.
09:36:13Zagoreveryone with write access can add new people to the group
09:36:38scorcheJdGordon: ?
09:36:44JdGordonsounds ok, but doesnt hat mean some idiot could remove everyone from the group?
09:36:49sharpewell, what if, one spammer got accepted as being legitimate?
09:36:51earHertzminor quiblle: what about people with html access but no urc access?
09:37:00sharpeand added many other users?
09:37:01ZagorJdGordon: it does, but everything is revision controlled so it's not much of a problem
09:37:05midkaysharpe: well, what if, after spamming, he was, removed and banned?
09:37:15peturearHertz: webclient
09:37:16ZagorearHertz: they can use the cgiirc
09:37:32scorcheZagor: and would everyone currently registered be able to add?
09:37:36Zagorscorche: yes
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09:38:52Zagorthis adds a treshold for spammers, but not too big of a bottleneck for real contributors
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09:39:01JdGordonZagor: sounds good, but the instructions need to include omething along the lines of "spamming the irc for access will see you banned from irc and the wiki"
09:39:04earHertzsounds reasonabel
09:39:20ZagorJdGordon: yeah. we'll just op logbot :-)
09:39:27Galoisis this web client supposed to work from any browser?
09:39:39ZagorGalois: most anyway
09:39:47Zagori haven't tried lynx :-)
09:39:53Galoiscause I just tried it (firefox redhat) and it's frozen
09:39:55earHertzGalois: I've had problems with it in the past, but then, I run my browser in paarnoid mode
09:40:26ZagorGalois: that's odd. lots of people run it in firefox.
09:40:32*Zagor tests again
09:40:43scorchei can run it fine from firefox
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09:41:01Zagor_testingyada yada
09:41:10Galoismaybe my proxy is at fault?
09:41:15earHertzhuh, it's ajax now, not java applet/
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09:41:27Galoisjava is most certainly not cross platform
09:41:30Galoisajax is better
09:41:31webguest31works fine here
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09:42:09webguest14can xxx
09:42:13webguest31firefox linux and java 1.5
09:42:20webguest14can I write on your wiki?
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09:42:42webguest14I have free ringtiones
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09:43:01Galoisno luck, oh well
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09:43:34JdGordonnow we play the guess who webguest14 is game :p
09:43:35webguest14how much does rockbox cost?
09:43:51*JdGordon guesses scorche or sharpe
09:44:16sharpethat would probably not be me.
09:44:22webguest14I bought a copy on ebay for $29.99
09:44:22scorchenor me
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09:44:52midkay_cgiircstupid sharpe..
09:44:54GaloisI guess it could work if there are enough people with access
09:44:56sharpemaybe it's midkay?
09:44:57webguest14That includees 5 free hours of tech support. where do I get that?
09:45:06sharpemidkay_cgiirc: what'd i do?
09:45:16Galoisyou guys, the ip address is in the /whois, if you want to cheat
09:45:18peturwebguest14: do you also have ringtones that work with rockbox?
09:45:29midkay_cgiircsharpe: must you ask?
09:45:35webguest14and with cialis
09:45:37Galoisif not enough people have access, then new users might get annoyed and leave
09:45:45JdGordonGalois: no its not, it shows the ip
09:45:49Galoisit shows the ip
09:45:52Galoislook harder.
09:45:53sharpedid i really do anything?
09:46:04midkay_cgiircsharpe: no, but your mother did
09:46:08sharpeJdGordon: why automatically guess me or scorche?
09:46:09earHertzwe don't real;ly want total newbs writing on teh wiki, do we?
09:46:11ZagorGalois: the idea is that everyone with write access to twiki also has permission to add new users
09:46:19scorcheJdGordon: indeed
09:46:25JdGordonsharpe: coz s is a funny shape :D
09:46:28sharpeZagor: what about, also having another person verify it?
09:46:34sharpejust incase?
09:46:51midkaysharpe: what about, not having commas after "what about"? it's grammatically incorrect.
09:47:00Zagornah. I believe in using an open system until we feel the need to limit it.
09:47:09JdGordonZagor: can the adding be doable by a script?
09:47:11sharpemidkay: bite me?
09:47:22midkaysharpe: also, "in case" is two words.
09:47:23Galoisyou better keep track of who adds which new users, or else one rogue spammer is going to add like 100 new users
09:47:23ZagorJdGordon: yes, but I won't write one for you :-)
09:47:31*midkay_cgiirc bits sharpe
09:47:50ZagorGalois: everything is revision controlled. a spammer can add 100 new users, but we can remove them just as easily.
09:47:51earHertzlet's not make this too complicated. as xzagot=r sauys, wait until we need complication
09:47:55sharpeit should be bit, not bits.
09:48:07*midkay_cgiirc bites sharpe
09:48:07earHertzgood I can't type
09:48:11midkay_cgiircstupid e....
09:48:15JdGordonZagor: coz im thinking get the script going and then we can use logbot to automatically do it if requested
09:48:35ZagorJdGordon: no, I want real people doing it
09:48:37earHertzlogbiot: add Zagor to wiki
09:49:15Galoiswhy not just use a captcha?
09:49:18earHertzlogbot: emergency override. Lock out all users except me
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09:49:24JdGordonZagor: im saying we get one of the regulars to msg logbot who can run the script instead of us having to manually do it
09:49:52ZagorGalois: because the spammers aren't bots. they are humans.
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09:50:14Galoisthen the human spammers (or even subhumans) can just as easily use IRC
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09:51:11ZagorGalois: yes they can. but my bet is they won't. or if they do, they won't be able to explain to the channel why they want access. that's why I want humans to give new permissions.
09:51:20sharpenow why would you do that?
09:51:49midkay_cgiircsharpe: the mass of beckoned
09:52:03sharpehow would we make sure they visited the irc, and not just have someone add them?
09:52:16ZagorGalois: basically, I want to keep it as simple as possible. making it spammer proof will also create a big barrier for legitimate contributors, and we don't want that
09:52:21Galoisokay, so the idea is that nobody in their right mind would sign up as a new user unless they already had a specific wiki contribution in mind
09:52:46Galoisbut spammers will invent generic contributions, like "I want to add a WPS" or something lame
09:53:05ZagorGalois: or at least some idea of what they want to do. we already explicitly ask on the registration page that they don't register unless they plan to contribute.
09:53:16ZagorGalois: if that happens, we'll deal with it.
09:53:32ZagorI don't want to tackle hypothetical problems
09:53:43sharpehypothetical is fun!
09:53:54Galoiswikipedia has demonstrated that wiki vandalism is not a hypothetical problem, nor are the vandals limited in their ingenuity or determination
09:54:31ZagorGalois: agreed. but vandalism isn't our problem. spamming is. I don't want to lock down the wiki, just avoid most of the spamming.
09:55:11earHertzhuh, I got a spam that loks like a joe-job, from −− but it's an interesting site
09:55:11Zagorthis is a new idea, let's try it and see what happens. if enough spammers go around it, we'll need to modify it. but only then.
09:55:29sharpewe could always do the two-user verification. :-D
09:55:31Galoisrequiring all contributions (not contributors) to be approved by a trusted user would IMO stop spamming without inconveniencing legitimate contributions too much
09:56:08ZagorGalois: yes, that is the logical next step if the first isn't enough
09:56:36Zagorbut I'd like avoid that particular bottleneck if at all possible
09:56:42earHertzGalois: wikipedia also puts way too much time effort and acrimony into "hunting trolls" −− to the point where they run off legit contributors
09:57:01Galoiscan contributor approval be handled purely through the web site?
09:57:08ZagorGalois: yes
09:57:17Zagoror, web + irc
09:57:20GaloisI mean without dubious technology like cgi:irc
09:57:26earHertzthe typical wiki spammer isn';t going to take the tome to learn what a wps is −− he's going to go for lower-hanging fruit
09:57:35earHertzhe's not going to play kgb
09:57:42sharpecould also have certain people listed in the forums that people can PM for approval...?
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09:58:06Galoisfor example, a new user signs up and one of the forms asks for an explanation of why he wants to sign up. Then when he submits the form the "approvers" are notified and one of them can go to the web site and click a box approving the new user
09:58:23Galoisafter reading the explanation of course
09:59:22ZagorGalois: our first thought was to do it through email, but I feel irc is better. partly because it directs contributors into the channel where all the talk is going on, and partly because you can have a dialog with the applicant and get at least some crude image of the person.
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10:00:08GaloisI just think cross-medium requirements like irc are more of a barrier than (say) requiring contributions to be approved
10:00:26Zagorthere are of course many ways to do it. but I'm not sure a web form is better than irc. I rather think the noise ratio will be much higher with a web form.
10:00:29Galoisfrankly, IRC is not a good place to debate how much of a barrier it is to sign up on IRC
10:00:55webguest23Hi, my names is amanda. I'm real sexy and fun, and I lobve nerdy guys!
10:01:00GaloisI know from experience in several other contexts that a lot of computer users have huge problems getting on IRC, even with web clients and such
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10:01:15*midkay_cgiirc snuggles up to webguest23
10:01:21webguest23Can I put hot pictures of me on your wiki?
10:01:21sharpeGalois: i suggested the forums... :)
10:01:33sharpeas an alternative
10:01:39JdGordonno the forums are bad enough as it is
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10:01:50sharpehrm, can guests pm?
10:01:59sharpenever mind, that idea's ot.
10:02:03midkay_cgiircwebguest23: please do...under the CamWhores page please
10:02:08webguest23Oh midkay, you're so hot. wnat to see my webcam? what's your credit vard number?
10:02:29Galoisperhaps a good middle ground would be to allow a contribution if either the contributor or the contribution has been approved
10:02:30Zagoreverything is iterative and can be changed if it doesn't feel good. nothing is carved in stone.
10:02:51JdGordonis it possible to require contrib approval on all membersunless they have been around for longer than X or had more than Y contribs already?
10:02:53ZagorGalois: then we need to code up a whole new system for auditing contributions
10:03:04wehnHow about new wiki users require wiki changes to be approved by another trusted user until they reach trusted user status?
10:03:18ZagorJdGordon: we can do anything, but I don't want to. I want to keep it simple.
10:03:32earHertzwehn: sounds good, but I expect it would be hella frustrating
10:03:39JdGordonthats simpler than requirng them to come here first
10:03:46Galoiswe already sort of have an auditing system now, it's called "roll back the changes if we reject them"
10:03:49wehnJdGordon's thinking like me too.
10:03:56Galoisthe only drawback is that the changes are visible until rolled back
10:04:11ZagorGalois: right, but it's too much work since in reality we only ever roll back spam
10:04:55midkay_cgiircmmmmmm...delicious Coca-Cola
10:04:59*midkay_cgiirc burps
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10:05:05ZagorJdGordon: we don't have a system for auditing contributions. you can either change topics, or you can't.
10:05:09JdGordonheck, if you really only want to get rid of spammers, then only their first contrib needs to be approved
10:05:11*midkay_cgiirc burps again
10:05:25webguest23I'm drinking Pepsi Blue, and I'm not wearing panties
10:05:26midkay_cgiircand again...
10:05:45JdGordonZagor: there is no mod for twiki for it?
10:05:58Zagormidkay_cgiirc: stop the noise ok?
10:06:03ZagorJdGordon: not that I know of, no
10:06:14midkay_cgiircok =(
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10:07:37Galoiswell then I guess IRC approval sucks but I can't think of anything better
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10:11:57JdGordonye, i think full access after the first contrib is apporved would be the best method, but if thats not doable then irc would be good too
10:12:24ZagorJdGordon: I agree, that would be the best method
10:16:24JdGordonZagor: completly changing the topic... can we get a new link under the "commits since 2.5" seen as that page is fairly long now?
10:17:37Zagor"commits since unfreeze"?
10:18:04JdGordonye, something like that
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10:38:41Jungti1234What is 'Export modifications'?
10:39:36JdGordonin reference to what?
10:40:19Jungti1234desc: in tag cache settings
10:41:50JdGordondunno, whatever it is, it fails here :p
10:44:02JdGordonis the limit value in the dircache info screen the amount of RAM being reserved for dircache?
10:49:57PaulJamJdGordon: i don't think so, for me the value is bigger than 6MB.
10:51:15JdGordonye, thats why im asking, its about 6mb for me also
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10:56:25midkayself-explanatory? the maximum cache size that will be allowed in RAM, i'm pretty sure.
10:57:04midkayif the displayed cache size is larger than the limit which is probably RAM-size-specific it won't be cached.
10:58:20JdGordonye, but is that much ram being resrverd? because if that is then its pretty bad
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11:03:24midkayi'd *imagine* that the only amount of RAM used is how large your cache is.
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11:03:40midkaye.g. limit = won't go past this; cache size = how large it is and thus how much is being used.
11:08:34*JdGordon goes to investigate..
11:08:45JdGordonanyone know where te dircache code is? i mean which files?
11:09:21midkaymaybe like dircache.c or cache.c? i'm pretty sure i've seen something like that around before, but i'm not sure..
11:09:39JdGordon#define DIRCACHE_LIMIT (1024*1024*6) <- 6mb exactly :p
11:09:44JdGordoni cant find a dircache.c
11:10:12JdGordonor cache.c
11:10:49JdGordongrr... firmware/common
11:11:07safetydanyeah it's pretty low level code
11:12:14safetydancripes, there's only been a few updates since the freeze was lifted
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11:13:43JdGordoniv been trying to get aobut 6 patches done, but noone will do em :p
11:13:55safetydanWhich ones?
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11:14:31Jungti1234don't know anyone?
11:14:34JdGordonremote patches, random directories,
11:16:00JdGordonhmm... it musnt be reserving 6mb of ram, because according to the rockbox info screen it says my audio buffer is 28mb and the h300 has 32mb ram...
11:16:42safetydanthe rockbox image will also take some of that RAM I would think
11:16:55safetydanthough that's only 300k
11:17:16*JdGordon stops worrying about it
11:21:32amiconnJdGordon: The 6MB is the maximum dircache will ever use
11:21:56amiconnIt reserves whatever it needs to hold the current dircache contents + 64KB
11:23:08amiconnsafetydan: The rockbox image needs more than its file size. The .bss section is excluded from the file
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11:26:24safetydanah yes
11:30:02safetydanSo... is there a policy for comitting patches where we can't get the submitter's full name for the credits?
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11:30:47GaloisI thought such patches were rejected
11:32:03Zagorsafetydan: yeah, we don't. no name = no rockbox glory ;-)
11:32:07safetydanwell it's not the submitter's fault that I can't get their name, the patch they submitted is from before flyspray
11:32:32Zagorsafetydan: which patch?
11:32:40safetydanI added a comment to the task asking for their name five months ago
11:33:02safetydanthe patch needs a little work, but the idea is sound
11:33:08Zagortried emailing the mail address?
11:33:42safetydanWould that be their
11:34:07safetydanthat's just an empty page for me
11:34:13Zagoroh, sorry. admin page :-)
11:34:19safetydanah, that explains that then :)
11:36:46safetydanright, email sent
11:36:51*safetydan goes back to working on something else
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11:41:43LinusNok, I have now implemented a new access control in the Wiki
11:42:06Zagor"the" new access control :-)
11:42:12Zagor(I already described it here)
11:42:28linuxstbZagor steals the glory...
11:42:37Zagorthat's what I do best
11:42:37LinusNanyway, to be able to edit pages in the wiki, you must be a member of the TWikiUsersGroup
11:42:53LinusNany current wiki user can edit that froup
11:44:32*scorche spies a remark that LinusN forgot to remove
11:44:50scorchesadly..i cant edit it myself =(
11:45:39scorcheLinusN: third bullet under "Submitting the form will automatically:" needs to be removed
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11:46:11safetydanShould the favourites plugin be removed now that the playlist catalog patch is in?
11:46:24LinusNscorche: that is still done
11:46:43LinusNit's added to TWikiUsers, but not TWikiUsersGroup
11:46:49scorcheugh...i am horrible at night
11:47:05scorcheLinusN: forgive me! =P
11:47:09*scorche grovels
11:47:50*scorche wonders when they will remove his ability to edit completely
11:49:36PaulJambtw, could someone with wiki access add a description how to install the fonts to the installation instructions for the different targets?
11:49:50midkayLinusN or Zagor: on the registration page it says your username should be FirstLast and not FirstL or some other kind of alias and that such accounts will be deleted without notice. i see more than a couple on the TWikiUsers page.. is this the right policy? otherwise the page should be changed..
11:50:18scorcheheh...i was about to say that too >_>
11:50:23LinusNmidkay: that is our policy
11:50:33LinusNhowever, we haven't enforced it properly
11:50:39Zagormidkay: yeah, I spotted a few of those too. they should be removed from the group imho.
11:50:42midkayguess you have some cleaning out to do.. :)
11:50:58scorcheooo!...soemthing i can do! =)
11:51:09scorchei sould like i am 5...i swear...
11:51:18scorcheand i cant type either...*sound
11:57:09*scorche realizes that the account should be deleted instead of just editing that page
11:57:28LinusNscorche: yes
11:57:49LinusNscorche: give me a list of users and i can delete them
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12:00:46JdGordonso what do we need to do if someone comes in asking for wiki write access?
12:01:19LinusNedit the TWikiUsersGroup topic
12:02:49JdGordonrighto :)
12:03:38JdGordonis logbot striclty a logbot? or can it do stuff like simlpe messages and stuff? (i.e give us that url when its neded so we dont have to go hnting :p )
12:04:44Zagoryeah it can do various stuff.
12:04:57Zagori'll explain after lunch
12:08:02JdGordonand, i assume we dont add anyone who doesnt follow the FirstLast format?
12:08:56scorcheand refer their account to an admin for deletion in case they already registered i assume...
12:09:29juxtapis it possible to overcharge an ipod running rockbox?
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12:17:11linuxstbjuxtap: No, the charging is hardware-controlled.
12:17:28amiconnZagor: Well, logbot still cannot do some things it's supposed to be able to...
12:17:51amiconnlinuxstb: Supporting ipod g1 and g2 will be more work than g3
12:18:14amiconn(1) No PCF50605, instead several other chips
12:18:23amiconn(2) No USB either, only firewire
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12:20:50JdGordonamiconn: is g1 and g2 support really needed? there cant be that many still working g1,2 ipods around anymore :D
12:23:28linuxstbamiconn: I'm not 100% sure, but maybe they only support HFS as well...
12:23:38linuxstbIIRC, the first ipods were Mac-only.
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12:23:49amiconnThat should be less of a problem
12:24:18amiconnIf they use the same loader scheme with a hidden partition, we are able to inhject our bootloader
12:24:43amiconnThe only thing is that retailos won't be able to read the data partition, but I wouldn't care
12:24:57linuxstbBut maybe the flash bootloader checks for the presence of an HFS partition. The disk will probably also need an Apple Partition Map instead of MBR (although that's straightforward to support).
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12:25:42linuxstbBut I've only seen one request for g1/g2 support, and that was from someone who later found out his g2 ipod was dead...
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12:30:15theprodukktis there already support for rockbox?
12:30:29JdGordonthere is, in a patch tho
12:30:42theprodukktwhere can i find it?
12:31:08*JdGordon goned
12:32:28PaulJamwhat does "goned" mean?
12:32:40theprodukkt^^ go went goned ;)
12:32:52theprodukktis audioscrobbler =
12:33:37theprodukktaudioscrobbler is the system and the frontend? right?
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12:46:26theprodukktin the scrobbler.patch file theres the following function
12:46:27theprodukkt+int scrobbler_init(void)+{+#if 0+ if(!global_settings.scrobber)+ return -1;+#endif++ scrobbler_fd = open(SCROBBLER_FILE, O_RDONLY);+ if(scrobbler_fd < 0)+ {+ scrobbler_fd = open(SCROBBLER_FILE, O_RDWR | O_CREAT);+ if(scrobbler_fd >= 0)+ {+ fdprintf(scrobbler_fd, "AUDIOSCROBBLER/%s\n", SCROBBLER_VERSION);+ close(scrobbler_fd);+ }+ else+ {+ logf("SCROBBLER: cannnot create log file");+ return -1;+ }+ }+ close(scrobbler_fd);++ audio_set_t
12:46:33theprodukktoO format?
12:47:02theprodukkthm i dont understand the part
12:47:16theprodukkt+#if 0
12:47:20theprodukkt+ if(!global_settings.scrobber)
12:47:25theprodukkt+ return -1;
12:47:50theprodukktthe #if are just instructions for the compiler right?
12:47:56safetydanfor the preprocessor
12:48:02dan_atheprodukkt: it will never be compiled
12:48:13theprodukktso what is it for?
12:48:41safetydanit does nothing, it may be left there as a reminder of something to do later
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12:49:14theprodukktbut the # commands are for the compiler, or for the preprocessor`?
12:49:28safetydanfor the preprocessor
12:49:55theprodukktof the target?
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12:52:51obotheprodukkt: that's a really old version of the patch - you need to scroll down to the bottom of the flyspray entry to get the latest version
12:53:12theprodukktgood to know! :)
12:53:40theprodukktThere are a whole set of options that can be used to determine whether the preprocessor will remove lines of code before handing the file to the compiler. <−− BEFORE? so its the preprocessor of the compiling machine..?
12:54:02Mikachuhence the word _pre_processor
12:57:10theprodukktyes i thought the preprocessor of the target where the binary will run on
12:57:46theprodukktso i had a problem with dan_a: theprodukkt: it will never be compiled and safetydan: for the preprocessor
12:57:49safetydanthere is no preprocessor on the target
12:58:00Sikuhey hey... I just installed Rockbox on my iPod Nano... The install was a success but when I loaded some music to my iPod to test it, I unplugged my iPod and right after that it went dark. No I can't get it started and my OS won't even recognice it as removable disc. Any hints?
12:58:02theprodukktnot? didnt know
12:58:54linuxstbSiku: Try holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset your ipod. If that doesn't work (and you haven't got the hold switch turned on), then try charging it for a while.
12:58:58safetydanthe output of the compilation process is just binary code for the target to run
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13:00:34Sikulinuxstb, thank you
13:00:35theprodukktyes, but if u think the target has a preprocessor, and further u know the compiler doesnt compile the # commands but its for the preprocessor of the target, theres a logical failure
13:00:49linuxstbtheprodukkt: The basic process is: C Program [Pre-processor]-> Pre-processed C Program [Compiler]-> Assembly Code [Assembler]-> binary object code.
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13:04:17theprodukktbut at least its the compiler (programm) who tells the preprocessor to handle the #commands?
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13:05:38theprodukkti mean before starting the compiler the preprocessor doesnt do anything to the code (just a .c file) and after the compiling the #commands are already interpreted not?
13:07:04SikuNice work on the iPod port guys. And thank you linuxstb again for your help :)
13:10:06theprodukkt <- the cvs binarys are compiled on 10 different machines?
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13:21:16l_ri have two annoying problems: rockbox (2006 07 18) does not play oggs
13:22:19l_rthe second problem is that i need to know how to empty / delete the current playlist. it seems it's only possible to add songs
13:23:14LinusNl_r: "does not play oggs"?
13:23:30theprodukkt@your 2nd problem: try pressing the stop key
13:23:36LinusNyou can begin with telling us which player you are using
13:23:42theprodukktthis should stop the playback and delete the current playlist
13:23:47theprodukkt(works for me)
13:25:05l_rLinusN, i am using rockridge..
13:25:14l_rthe player that comes with it
13:25:27l_ryou mean the theme?
13:25:39l_rops sorry, i have an ipod nano
13:25:59l_rtheprodukkt, belevie me, i tried everything, it does not work
13:26:24LinusNwhat happens when you try to play an ogg file?
13:26:53theprodukktare u using the filetree or the tagcache?
13:27:27l_rthe bar does not proceed . one time i also saw (ERR) just before the name of the songs in ogg variable bitrare format
13:27:34l_rtheprodukkt, filetree
13:28:12linuxstbl_r: Maybe your Ogg files are broken in some way - e.g. do they have id3v2 tags?
13:28:32l_rof course, the songs have been written correctly on the ipod nano, since i can play them after attaching the disk from a pc
13:28:52l_rlinuxstb, they have no tags
13:29:05PaulJami think the ERR in front of the playlist entry means, that the file cannot be found
13:29:09theprodukktwhy do you want to clean the playlist?
13:29:58linuxstbl_r: Do other types of music play OK for you in Rockbox?
13:29:59_FireFly_normaly when you select one file from the filetree the playlist gets overwritten with the selected file
13:30:19Kohlrabil_r: do you have ogginfo?
13:30:23l_rbecouse it only keep adding the songs. i am sorry, but the whole concept of adding/removing and playing istantly is not clear to me. also because when trying to play these oggs, it seems everything stop to work , even mp3 playback
13:30:49l_rKohlrabi, i have it on the pc, yes
13:30:59Kohlrabihave you tried running it over your oggs?
13:31:06theprodukktspend some time on rockbox and youll understand the playlist concept
13:31:09_FireFly_l_r: what does ogginfo say about the og-file
13:31:10l_rlinuxstb, other types , yes, from jpeg to mp3
13:32:32_FireFly_if ogginfo reports any problems then rockbox could have problems to play the file
13:32:34l_r_FireFly_, a moment
13:33:50l_rhmm this is the only weird info
13:33:54l_rWarning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4500 bytes. Corrupted ogg.
13:34:01l_rit applies to every oggs
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13:34:07KohlrabiEvery ogg is broken :(
13:34:26KohlrabiI doubt ogginfo is erroneous (sp.?)
13:34:27l_rweird, since i can play them from the pc
13:34:39KohlrabiI have oggs myself which play fine in f2k
13:34:46theprodukkthm those xxx bytes offset remembers me the same problem with mine mp3 files!
13:34:50Kohlrabibut are broken regarding to ogginfo
13:34:54LinusNmaybe rockbox isn't as fault tolerant as your pc application
13:35:22KohlrabiHow do you encode your files?
13:36:52l_rKohlrabi, i found them in ogg directly
13:37:02Kohlrabi"found" them
13:37:07Kohlrabino furher questions ;)
13:37:29l_ra friend of mine gave them to me, to be precise
13:37:44Bg3rdoes this matter?
13:38:01l_rproably heh
13:38:03LinusNl_r: it would be nice ti have one of those files for analysis
13:38:11l_ri would have not failed in encoding
13:38:25Kohlrabi"Sorry for the long rant. The moral of the story is this: When encoding ogg-vorbis using Grip, uncheck all the boxes in Config->ID3"
13:38:29l_rLinusN, yes, where do you want me to send one
13:38:42Kohlrabiseems like Grip(Lunix)+id3tags corrupt the oggs
13:38:47l_ri'd like to fix them
13:38:51l_rthey are precious
13:39:07l_rit's vivaldi (the whole estro armonico)
13:39:23KohlrabiHave you tried removing the id3tags
13:39:37KohlrabiI'm pretty confident id3tags are the evildoers
13:39:41KohlrabiI googled a bit
13:39:58l_rok, i'll google for info about removing the tags
13:39:59LinusNl_r: i /msg:d you
13:39:59KohlrabiWhich OS are you running?
13:40:08Kohlrabiah mkay
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13:41:07_FireFly_l_r have you id3 installed ?
13:41:25l_r_FireFly_, yes
13:41:47l_rLinusN, it's sending. check it out in few secs
13:42:03_FireFly_hmm wait have you easytag also installed ?
13:42:17l_rlet me see
13:42:32l_rnot yet, i'll install it immediatly
13:42:44*linuxstb suggests "xxd file.ogg | less" to look inside it for id3 tags..
13:42:53_FireFly_you could test with it to rewrite the tags, afaik easytag can read id3-tags from ogg-files and rewrite it in proper ogg tags
13:43:07l_rlet me try
13:44:48l_ri am installing easytag
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13:46:04l_ranyway, to play a song from the file tree _istantly_ what do i have to do? whatevery configuration i try in the main menu, it keeps adding/queing the song into the playlist instead of playing it immediatly
13:46:07_FireFly_l_r: test it with an copy of one of the files first
13:46:30_FireFly_l_r: simply select it with the select-button to play on file
13:47:08_FireFly_but i don't know which of the button is the select button on ipod
13:47:09l_rokay, i'll try it after having solved the ogg prob
13:47:10linuxstbl_r: Are you pressing and releasing the select button, or are you keeping it pressed?
13:47:20PaulJaml_r: do you have "party mode" enabled?
13:47:26l_rlinuxstb, i tried both
13:47:29linuxstb(select = centre button on ipods)
13:47:40l_rPaulJam, i tried both (party mode on & off)
13:47:54l_ryes, it's the button in the middle
13:47:54linuxstbA short press and release on SELECT with party mode off should do what you want.
13:48:02l_ri'll try
13:48:34theprodukktparty has to be off
13:48:34linuxstbA long press on SELECT will bring up the context menu, giving you options to insert that file/folder in the playlist in various different ways.
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13:51:37l_rLinusN, the file has been sent
13:55:26l_ri rewrote the tags in every ogg
13:55:31l_rthis easytag is really handy
13:55:45l_rnow, i'll copy the file in the ipod and try
13:56:06l_rthe waring message has dsappeared
13:56:15Kohlrabigood for you :D
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14:00:55l_rit works
14:01:19l_rimmediate playback works as well
14:01:33_FireFly_now you should say you friend that he shouldn't add id3-tags to ogg-files ;)
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14:04:42MrStaticVoidwhen playback is paused and I select a song, playback remains paused. is there a way to set it to automatically unpause?
14:04:45l_rnow, ok..the last problem.. now i am in the playlist menu. i can see the "current play list". suppose i want to empty this list or delete a song from the list, what do i have to do?
14:05:18_FireFly_to delete one entry hold long the select button
14:05:22_FireFly_to get the menu
14:05:37l_rright. to delete all the entries?
14:05:37_FireFly_to delete, reorder and some more actions
14:05:50l_rlet me see
14:06:15l_rok, this works for a single entry. what about all the entries?
14:07:05PaulJamif you stop playback, the playlist gets cleared.
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14:08:06amiconnThe playlist gets cleared either at the end (if repeat is off), or if you start a new list
14:08:22_FireFly_or stop playback
14:08:53Mikachurather, if you stop playback, the list is cleared when you add something else
14:09:04amiconn_FireFly_: Just stopping doesn't clear the playlist
14:09:13amiconnOtherwise it would be impossible to resume
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14:09:24_FireFly_amiconn: ah right
14:14:48Bg3rnotice to manual contributors: it seems that Figure 3.1 (The main menu)'s picture for h300 builds is damaged
14:16:52l_remm..sorry for the stupid question. but i can't figure out how to "stop" the playback. when playing and pressing the Pause button, the playback stops, yes, but it's in pause mode and list is not cleared after adding something else..
14:17:38linuxstbOn the ipods, "stop" is a long press on PLAY/PAUSE.
14:17:48linuxstbApple decided you wouldn't need a stop button....
14:18:38l_rcool, now i know everything to enjoy my ipod
14:18:57l_rsee you guys, keep up the good work, many thanks
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14:31:39dan_aHow can I get MP3s to play without skipping on the 3g iPod? I'm guessing it won't be easy
14:32:37dan_aAt the moment the only things I can see are to overclock it (in system.c) or to try to push some things onto the coprocessor
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14:33:51linuxstbThe PP5002 is rated up to 90MHz I think, so technically you won't be overclocking it. But you will need to make sure your ipod doesn't overheat if you run it at a high speed for a long time.
14:34:47linuxstbThe PP502x ipods (and irivers and iaudio) have CPU scaling implemented - where Rockbox switches between "idle", "normal" and "boosted" CPU speeds. This isn't implemented on the 3g yet, but could be useful.
14:35:29dan_aI've had a quick look at that code, and I'll try to get something similar on the 3g
14:36:08linuxstbApart from using the co-processor, the other option is "simply" to optimise the MP3 decoder. You have two things to try - 1) Optimising the use of the 96KB of fast internal RAM (IRAM); 2) ASM optimisations.
14:36:57linuxstbThe codecs desperately need optimising for the other ipods as well, so you're not on your own.
14:37:39dan_aI'll have a look at those. I think it will be beyond my abilities, but we'll see.
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14:40:28dan_aAre there any examples of where the use of the IRAM has been optimised, so I can see what sort of things to do?
14:43:30linuxstbIt's already being used for the iriver (and 4g ipods), so maybe there's not much that can be improved in that area. All the codecs have 48KB of IRAM to use - and can put a mixture of code and data in there.
14:44:02linuxstbHave you tried Ogg vorbis yet?
14:44:22linuxstbOn the later ipods, the vorbis decoder is faster than MP3.
14:45:42linuxstbBTW, have you tried ipodlinux on your 3g? If so, how was audio playback? (they use different codecs to Rockbox).
14:45:49dan_aI get about as many underruns with a 128kbps VBR OGG as I do with a 128kbps MP3
14:46:33dan_aAnd no, I've not tried IPL yet
14:55:00dan_aThis seems like a dumb question, but... where is the MP3 codec? I can't find it!
14:55:04peturif the 3g doesn't do boosting yet I can imagine playback is chopped
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14:56:25JdGordona friend of mine has the gp2x and is complaining about no decent mp3 player for it, so seen as it can do sdl, is it just a matter of getting the sim to compile using the arm compiler and fix some key defines?
14:56:40amiconnpetur: Huh? The g3 not doing boosting means it's _always_ running at maximum clock
14:56:58JdGordoncould it be "ported" as easily as any other target, just it would always use the simulator settings
14:56:58peturah, right
14:57:58crwlJdGordon, i've been thinking (a little) of buying the GP2X myself too, being able to run rockbox would definitely be cool
14:58:36crwlalthough i suppose GP2X is kind of too big for a portable player, but anyway
14:59:21JdGordonwell, its more a game thing that might be good for rb, even tho its only got 1gb storage which is puny :p
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15:00:06crwlwell, it uses SD cards...
15:00:22crwlthey're pretty cheap nowadays :)
15:00:52linuxstbdan_a: All the codecs are in apps/codecs/ - apps/codecs/mpa.c is the MPEG audio (layers 1, 2 and 3) decoder, which in turn uses apps/codecs/libmad/
15:03:14dan_alinuxstb: Ah, thanks! I was looking for mp3.c, and I'd got mpa mixed up with m4a.
15:03:40linuxstbm4a is aac.c :)
15:03:45Mikachuit's sort of annoying that there are commercial mp3 decoders that claim to run at full speed on 10mhz arm cpus
15:03:49linuxstb(and alac.c - they both use the .m4a extension)
15:04:03linuxstbYes, but what kind of ARMs?
15:04:47linuxstbSomeone pay preglow to spend 3 months optimising libmad...
15:05:53Mikachuheh, not sure, but i think one of them said arm7, that might not have been the one claiming to run at 10mhz though
15:09:11linuxstbdan_a: I've just committed your ASM fiq handler.
15:09:56dan_alinuxstb: Thanks - did you check it doesn't break on other ports first?
15:11:14linuxstbYes, I tested on my Color before committing. But the code looked harmless anyway - all your changes were within #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5002.
15:14:43oboThe CVS bulids page still needs a download link for the 3g at the bottom??
15:15:08dan_aI need to get around to learning how to program at some point...
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15:15:55linuxstbobo: Yes. But Bagder doesn't seem to be around...
15:20:10slimxdan_a, sounds work on 3g ?
15:20:44dan_aslimx: They do. Wav and flac plays perfectly, but there's skipping on anything else
15:21:22slimxthx dan_a
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15:21:45slimxI was away for months
15:22:06slimxand i did not succeeded to play anything on my 3g
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15:22:38slimxsome workaround might had been written against the audio driver
15:22:41slimxso ..
15:22:45dan_aIt was basically working
15:22:58slimxreally ?
15:23:04slimxthats odd
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15:23:46slimxgood news
15:23:53dan_aYes... linuxstb can explain the details, but there was one line in the code that shouldn't have been there
15:24:00slimxi'll try a new build tonight
15:24:12senabafternoon people
15:24:31senabcan i ask some of u knowledgable people a question
15:24:37slimxi'll be happy to know which one
15:24:46slimxi've spent times on it
15:25:05*amiconn would expect shorten to play ok on g3 as well, maybe also alac
15:25:06_FireFly_senab: simply ask
15:25:35amiconnOh, and surely aiff won't skip
15:25:39linuxstbslimx: The patch that fixed audio is here:
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15:26:21dan_aamiconn: You're almost certainly right
15:26:24senablol, basically i know it's got probably got nothing to do with u lot, but patch 5234 doesn't work for nano and was wondering what was needed to get it working for it
15:26:33slimxthx LinusN
15:26:39slimxthx linuxstb
15:27:06amiconndan_a: Did you try ac3 yet?
15:27:23dan_aNo, just wav, flac, ogg and mp3
15:27:25senabif u look ( HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS has been defined in 'firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h'
15:27:54senabso i was thinking is it just a simple case of defining it in firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h
15:28:11slimxI knew there was something to do around this file :)
15:28:12amiconndan_a: [15:20:45] <dan_a> slimx: They do. Wav and flac plays perfectly, but there's skipping on anything else <= I was referring to this
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15:29:32linuxstbSID would probably be OK as well...
15:29:35dan_aamiconn: Apologies, I was assuming that all the other codecs would be a lot heavier than wav and flac
15:29:43amiconndan_a: Check here:
15:30:14amiconnMaybe it's a good idea to add a column "realtime on ipod <= g3"
15:31:18amiconnAfaiu, the only codecs which are computationally heavier than mp3 are vorbis, musepack and aac
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15:33:45dan_aI'll try and get test files for all the codecs and see which ones can decode in realtime
15:34:02JdGordon:) only 1 more patch for multi screen support in most of the gui now to be commited... cough cough
15:34:22Bg3rJdGordon which one ?
15:34:35JdGordonfor the color chooser
15:34:39JdGordon1 min, ill linky
15:35:25amiconndan_a: You can find some testfiles here:">
15:35:51amiconnNo ac3 though
15:36:59linuxstbThere's a few missing..... Who wants to make a SID version ? :)
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15:38:03deltronanyone have an issue where you are browsing folders and rockbox locks up?
15:38:12deltronit's always on the same folder for me
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15:38:24deltronbut I can browse past it if I start playing music first
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15:39:41JdGordondeltron: does the folder has 1000+ files in it?
15:40:17deltronthe folder name is kinda long
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15:41:06deltroni'm using yesterday's daily build
15:41:44deltron"jello biafra & the melvins - never breathe what you can't see (2004)"
15:41:48deltronthat's the folder name
15:41:54deltron\music\jello biafra & the melvins - never breathe what you can't see (2004)
15:42:36JdGordondoes it freeze when u go into the folder? or when that folder starts scrolling in the browser? or when?
15:43:13deltronI'm scrolling in the music folder, it's when I try and scroll past that particular folder
15:43:32peturJello Biafra... nice music choice
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15:44:31JdGordonye, i tihnk its a bug in the scrolling code, for some reason it doesnt like long lines, but it should be able to cope with them, so i dunno
15:44:35JdGordonrename the folder :p
15:44:47deltrondoing now :)
15:45:49_FireFly_linuxstb: here you can find some sid-tunes :
15:46:29deltronshould I bother filing a bug report?
15:46:52JdGordonjust make sure there isnt one already...
15:47:04deltronyeah, i'm searching now
15:47:19Zagorlinuxstb: I've made quite a lot of sidtunes if you want some
15:47:29JdGordonits wierd it crashes on that, because the scroll code should be able to work with lines >250chars and that one is <100
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15:47:54linuxstb_FireFly_: Thanks, but I've got the HVSC already... I was joking about someone composing the iriver song in SID.
15:48:17linuxstbA job for Zagor...
15:48:27JdGordonBg3r: amiconn: Linu*: Zagor: anyone want to commit so we can close a task on fs?
15:49:14Zagorlinuxstb: next up is a player for vic20 tracks. I've actually written one for it too...
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15:49:32linuxstbIt's been a long time since we saw a Rockbox commit from you....
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15:50:44Zagoryes, I've been away quite a while. hopefully things will change a bit now that I've moved to a new house, so my kid isn't sleeping in the computer room any more...
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15:51:38XavierGrI lost my interent connection for 2 days and look what happened!
15:51:45deltronI don't see this bug anywhere for the ipod...
15:51:54deltronI see a similar one for an h100
15:51:59linuxstbJdGordon: Regarding your color-picker patch, I don't like the way you're testing for SCREEN_MAIN instead of characteristics of the screen. Maybe the full color-picker will work on the X5's larger remote (I forget it's dimensions though)
15:52:51JdGordonoohh... colour remote? ok, ill fix it.. *grumbles*
15:53:30linuxstbI think it's 2bpp, not colour. But it's larger than the other remotes.
15:53:32deltronto upgrade rockbox, I just need to unzip the zip on the device right?
15:54:13linuxstbdeltron: Very few bugs will be specific to one player - if you've found a bug on your ipod that someone else has reported on an iriver, just add a comment to the bug report saying so.
15:55:10linuxstbdeltron: And yes to your upgrade question.
15:58:29amiconnyes, 2bpp greyscal
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16:05:12JdGordonlinuxstb: good thing u wouldnt commit it :) ive just fixed it up, much better now, the remote can actually display all 3 bars with the default font, and it now shows all 3 unless the ffont is too large it will only show 1
16:06:06linuxstbSounds good... I don't have any colour devices with remotes to test it though. But I guess I could try the sim.
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16:07:01JdGordonthats where i tried it
16:07:06JdGordonlooks good in the sim :)
16:07:15JdGordonupdated the fs page
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16:16:52ZagorFYI: I have now activated caching in twiki. it's now blisteringly fast, but some dynamic pages (such as index pages) may become slightly outdated. I'm looking at fixes for that.
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16:18:52linuxstbZagor: Are you able to add the ipod 3g to the table at the bottom of the CVS build table? (or do you know if Bagder is around?)
16:19:29linuxstbBagder added the 3g to the CVS builds, but forgot to update that table.
16:19:46Zagorright. I'll look at it. Bagder is on vacation and only reads mail.
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16:24:30Mmmmpetur: are you going to do the AGC patch then?
16:24:49peturno time at all I fear :(
16:25:09peturand I'm away from all hi-tech next week (holiday)
16:25:12MmmmYou should get redundant like me!
16:25:33peturno chance here
16:25:50peturworkload is going to get worse next months :/
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16:26:48Mmmmoh dear...that doesn't sound good....Maybe I'll try to fathom the AGC patch then...
16:27:15peturI haven't checked the code, just used it until now ;)
16:27:30Mmmmsame here..could be a big job eh?
16:27:48peturnot really
16:28:32peturI can try tonight or tomorrow night but I must get some sleep if I'm to drive a car on friday the whole day
16:28:58Mmmmok, you can sleep tomorrow night then! ;)
16:29:43peturI don't expect any problems, jvo produces good code ;)
16:30:23XavierGrpetur: what about USB OTG :p
16:30:56peturgood point. next month I'll have a look :p
16:31:02Zagorlinuxstb: if I did the right change, 3g will appear after next build
16:31:39Mmmmpetur: next month? you've got all night! :D
16:31:46linuxstbZagor: Thanks - I just made a commit...
16:31:55linuxstb(JDGordon's color-picker patch)
16:32:08JdGordonyay! :)
16:32:37chendowhat causes php to take up insane amounts of memory? i thought there were things to prevent that
16:33:07Zagorchendo: last I looked, rockbox didn't run php
16:33:26chendooh bleh
16:33:28chendowrong channel
16:34:30linuxstbZagor: The 3g build has appeared...
16:40:00deltronJdGordon: i renamed the folder and it can browse past it.
16:42:21deltronand submitted a bug report
16:42:25deltronwell, added onto one
16:43:40PaulJamdoes the tagcache need to be recreated everytime you update rockbox? or am o doing something wrong?
16:43:59amiconnlinuxstb: Warnings...
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16:50:22peturdeltron: I'm not sure that the bugreport you commented on is the same bug
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16:53:56theprodukhey all
16:53:56*linuxstb looks around for JdGordon....
16:54:12deltronyeah, seemed the same problem
16:54:24peturdeltron: no it's not
16:54:47peturthe bugreport is about hanging on a large playlist
16:55:03peturnot related to the names in it
16:55:30deltroni'll submit a new one.
16:55:58peturand also include the complete name that caused the crash
16:56:12deltronwill do
16:56:36deltronit would always lock up right before I got to that folder
16:56:41deltronso I assume it was that folder
16:57:02peturall info is welcome
16:57:23deltronI'll put in a directory listing in the attachment
16:57:35deltrondon't blame me for my bad taste in music ;)
16:58:03*petur is a DK fan ;)
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17:06:01*petur will be in Austria friday evening, but not coding :)
17:06:42austriancoderpetur: ah.. what are you doing in Austria?
17:06:56peturhiking in the mountains
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17:07:36austriancoderwow... i thought you are goging to the Festspiele in Bregenz
17:08:44austriancoderi need help with a patch i want to commit: - is this the best place to define MIN_CONTRAST_SETTING, MAX_CONTRAST_SETTING,...?
17:09:47SlasheriPaulJam: only when tagcache header version number changes
17:10:01SlasheriPaulJam: and it has changed often in the past few days
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17:12:33PaulJamSlasheri: thanks for the info, then i should propably try with a clean cvs version. on my patched build it seems to get reset on every update.
17:12:43deltronpetur: what would you consider the category of bug report?
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17:13:59peturdeltron: user interface (until it's clear what causes it)
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17:35:44deltronok, submitted bug report
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17:44:21linuxstbLooking at the audio drivers, we have the uda1380_* functions, an identical set of wmcodec_* functions (for ipods) and tlv320_* functions for the X5... I think it would make sense to rename all these to have a common prefix, but I'm not sure what prefix to give them...
17:45:33linuxstbe.g. we have uda1380_mute(), wmcodec_mute() and tlv1380_mute() and we use #ifdefs in pcm_playback.c to decide which to call (with identical arguments)...
17:46:40peturif the signatures are identical, it makes sense to give them identical names
17:46:52dan_alinuxstb: Something like audiohw_*?
17:46:59Mikachuaudiohw_ maybe? <- i just typed that too
17:47:03linuxstbThe obvious name is just "codec_mute()", but that may be confused with the software libraries - and we already have codecs.h
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17:47:14Mikachu1 point for intuitive name
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17:48:53PaulJamSlasheri: can it be that the tagcache gets reset if you do a rolo after disconnecting from usb while the disk is still spinning?
17:49:14linuxstbaudiohw_ sounds reasonable to me... But I'll wait and see what people who read this in the logs suggest.
17:49:37Mikachureading irclogs sounds like a boring pastime
17:49:43peturI'm all for it
17:49:52peturthe name, not reading the logs ;)
17:50:53SlasheriPaulJam: yes, if tagcache is set to be loaded ram / autoupdate is enabled, that will corrupt the database files
17:51:00Slasheribecause rolo doesn't do a clean shutdown
17:51:31PaulJamah, this explains my problems then, thanks :)
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17:54:29PaulJamso if i do a manual shutdown/restart instead of rolo or wait until the disk stops spinning after updating the tagcache will stay intact?
17:54:44SlasheriPaulJam: yes, it should
17:55:21deltrondoes rockbox now use the hardware decoder on the iPod?
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17:55:51linuxstbdeltron: There isn't a hardware decoder as such. Are you talking about the Broadcom chip used for video decoding?
17:56:30deltronnot sure, I know you can't use the video chip yet
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17:57:09linuxstbThe ipods just have a general-purpose ARM CPU (well, two of them).
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18:01:06PaulJammaybe this is a silly question, but is there a special reason why rolo doesn't do a clean shutdown?
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18:12:14PaulJamhmm, this is strange, i can't zoom some jpegs anymore while music is playing
18:12:37Mikachuand you could before?
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18:14:08PaulJamyes, i beliebe i could. and i still can zoom other jpegs that are bigger in both, filesize and picturesize.
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18:51:37bluebrothercan somebody help me on a makefile?
18:51:58bluebrotherI'm trying to understand the makefile that got generated when configuring rockbox to produce a manual.
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18:55:02bluebrother"all" should build rockbox as far as I understand from the Makefile, but it generates the manual.
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18:58:47linuxstbbluebrother: Are you looking at the Makefile in your manual build directory? (e.g. rockbox-devel/build-manual/Makefile) ?
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18:59:03bluebrotherlinuxstb, yes.
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18:59:58linuxstbThe all: rule runs two Make commands - the first is run in the $(FIRMDIR) directory. If you look near the start of the Makefile, this is defined to be $(ROOTDIR)/manual/platform
19:00:26linuxstbThe second runes Make in the APPSDIR - defined to be $(ROOTDIR)/manual
19:01:28bluebrotheraaah −− that was the point I've missed.
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19:39:47amiconnImho RoLo should do a clean shutdown, as should the USB reboot on iPod
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19:40:37amiconnThere's no special reason RoLo doesn't do a clean shutdown, probably because RoLo was there before the clean shutdown idea, and clean shutdown is implemented in a little weird way
19:42:43*linuxstb puts his hand up in agreement
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19:53:33amiconnBagder/Zagor/LinusN: Please configure not to receive SH1 builds
19:53:52amiconnOutdated gcc −−> red builds
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20:17:58bluebrothersomething is strange with the wiki ...
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20:18:44bluebrotheris some server admin around? I just edited a page (LatexGuidelines) and the wiki claims this has been done by BjornStenberg
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20:19:47linuxstbThe build system has hung as well....
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21:06:33PaulJamSlasheri: does tagcache also get erased when you use bootloader usb mode to put music on the device? (tagcache in ram and auto-update are enabled)
21:08:25SlasheriPaulJam: no, it should get updated
21:09:46PaulJamhmm, then i wonder why it didn't work.
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21:15:27bluebrotherhow should we generate the html manual? Create a zip file? Or just a folder?
21:16:09dionoeafolder would be good enough i guess (except if you want to move it arround)
21:16:13linuxstbBoth. Create a folder first, and have another target (e.g. htmlzip) to zip that folder.
21:17:58bluebrothernow I just need to generate a list of all needed screenshot images.
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21:25:23LinusNbluebrother: u there?
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21:25:42LinusNi saw that you had wiki problems
21:26:34bluebrotheryes. It worked but got assigned to Björn which seems strange to me.
21:26:37LinusNtry to shut down your browser and edit the page again
21:26:52bluebrotherI already tried that. Do you think I should do it again?
21:27:12LinusNdid you have to log in to edit it?
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21:28:33bluebrotheryes. When clicking edit I get a prompt to log in.
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21:28:57LinusNok, and then it still thinks you are BjornStenberg?
21:28:59bluebrotherthe edit window shows this line below:
21:29:01bluebrother−− Main.BjornStenberg - 19 Jul 2006 <== Your signature for easy copy and paste (triple click to select)
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21:29:37bluebrotherbut I'm pretty sure I'm not Björn
21:30:15bluebrother(in real life, I mean)
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21:34:34linuxstb_LinusN: Can you help with the build system? The last build seems to have hung.
21:34:55LinusNlinuxstb: hang on, busy atm
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21:36:18peturlinuxstb: how's the heat? ;)
21:36:37*linuxstb_ is withering away...
21:37:04peturI just can't sit at my desk, it's getting all wet
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21:38:04louhow about an aircon?
21:38:35lsduseris rockbox that big of a pain to install?
21:39:02linuxstblsduser: What are wanting to install it on?
21:39:18lsduseronce its installed can I just mv media onto it?
21:39:42lsduseri have a 60gb ipod photo that i wouldnt mind having in ext3 while still being able to play music
21:39:54linuxstbRockbox won't read an ext3 partition.
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21:40:06lsduserwhat format is it?
21:40:07linuxstb(only FAT32)
21:40:41lsduserwell thats not that bad anyways i guess.. isnt rockbox a linux distro though?
21:40:45lsduseror is it just the firmware
21:40:58bluebrotherit's a firmware.
21:41:00linuxstbNo, it's nothing to do with Linux. It's an mp3 player firmware written from scratch.
21:41:18bluebrotherif you want linux you need to go to ;-)
21:41:26lowlightanyone with ape-tagged files care to test this patch:
21:41:27lsduserdoes it work as good as mac's firmware?
21:41:43linuxstbIn some ways better, in some ways worse.
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21:41:53lsduserer.. stability heh
21:43:05lsduserwell once its in fat32 does it screw around with the stuff you upload to it like apples or does it keep it so you can transfer it whever you want
21:43:07linuxstbIn general it's stable, but there seems to be a bug causing the occasional freeze on 4g greyscale and (unfortunately for you) Photos. But hopefully we'll find it soon (I've got a 60GB Photo).
21:43:37lsduserdo you have any experience with ipod linux?
21:44:15linuxstbAs a user, very little. But I've looked at their code a great deal (it's the inspiration for the Rockbox port to ipods).
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21:45:50lsduserhow serious is this photo bug?
21:46:18linuxstbNot that serious - I still use Rockbox on my Photo (and only Rockbox).
21:46:45lsduserwhat happens?
21:47:29lsduserwith the bug I mean?? also does it use batteries quicker than apples firmware?? for a while I had wikipedia on my ipod and whenever i used it it would eat up all my resources
21:47:31linuxstbAs I said, it just freezes... People have reported that it generally happens after an hour of playback. I _sometimes_ experience a freeze after about 10 minutes of playback, but sometimes it works fine.
21:47:33lsduserer.. battery sorry
21:48:18linuxstbSee here for some runtime tests on various ipods:
21:49:05linuxstbBut I think the ones for the 4G and Photo/Color are before some improvements were made, so it should be slightly better now.
21:49:46linuxstbBut Rockbox on the ipods is new, and there's been no ipod-specific development for the last 3 months due to a feature-freeze.
21:50:01linuxstbSo development is just picking up again now (I hope).
21:50:58linuxstbAs a guide to what Rockbox is, you could browse the manual:
21:51:09linuxstbBut I've got to go now. Bye.
21:51:17juxtaplinuxstb, wait
21:51:19deltronit's not bad at all on my 5G
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21:51:45juxtapyou know where i can find adapters for ipods to allow a line-in?
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21:54:26hardeepdionoea: you need to update plugin api version in plugin.h when adding new functions
21:54:59dionoeaeven if i'm appending ?
21:55:08dionoeaarr .... nevermind
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21:56:40linuxstbjuxtap: I don't know of anyone selling simple adapters commercially. As I mentioned in IRC last night, here's a commercial microphone/line-in adapter for the 5g:,1895,1989254,00.asp
21:57:02lsduserman i have heartburn real bad
21:57:28deltronthat's weird, I thought it didn't have the capability of recording..
21:58:29linuxstbdeltron: Yes, some ipods (I think all apart from the mini and Nano) can record at up to 24-bit/96KHz. It's just that the line-in is hidden in the dock connector, and Apple's firmware doesn't support it.
21:59:18linuxstbAlthough the right-channel of the headphone connector also doubles as a mono line/mic-in.
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22:02:54deltronhmm, just how the heck does it record? records it straight to mp3 from the device I guess
22:03:36deltronI mean, that'd be more simple
22:04:34linuxstbIt's just a normal DAC that gives you uncompressed PCM data. So any encoding would need to be done on the CPU.
22:04:44linuxstbI mean ADC.
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22:05:35amiconnlinuxstb: Iiuc the g1 and g2 ipods also can't record
22:05:50amiconng3, g4 and g5 should be able to
22:06:23linuxstbGiven how long the g3 port has taken, I'ld be surprised if Rockbox ever makes it to the g1 and g2.
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22:15:04theprodukktthere is no easy way to build rockbox on windows, is it?
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22:16:36PaulJamtheprodukkt: i think the vmware image is more or less easy to use.
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22:17:50theprodukktmaybe, but i just have isdn
22:17:54linuxstbtheprodukkt: There are three ways - Cygwin, vmware and colinux.
22:18:09theprodukktit takes long to download linux stuff :(
22:18:34theprodukktwhats that
22:18:49deltronvmware <3
22:19:33theprodukktoh sry
22:19:38theprodukktforgot about looking in the wiki
22:19:50theprodukktit would help me :)
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22:22:30theprodukkthow big will the cygwin environment be?
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22:24:12Ponsguys, why does rockbox doesn't allow me to run doom
22:24:26theprodukkt(me too, he sais hes missing a file)
22:24:30Ponssaying Missing base WAD
22:25:30theprodukktbtw: could you do a doom 3 port ;)
22:25:33PaulJami think when i installed cygwin, it downloaded ~118MiB of additional stuff while installing.
22:25:45theprodukktomg, shit
22:25:48theprodukktthats not good 4 me
22:26:16*ender` yawns
22:26:21peturamiconn: pardon me being lazy, what's the recording gain resolution on Archos?
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22:28:27theprodukkt[Wednesday 22:18:31] linuxstb: theprodukkt: There are three ways - Cygwin, vmware and colinux.
22:28:32theprodukkt^^ well i know another solution
22:28:40theprodukktthe cvs build server ;)
22:28:45theprodukktjust give me access :)
22:29:18theprodukkton which ports are the machines listening for rbclient?
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22:30:39dionoeahum, are the CVS builds frozen ?
22:31:14peturthe builds system isn't used to all the updates anymore
22:31:29peturit catched a cold from the long feature freeze
22:33:16theprodukktdoes the system work like that?: on the one hand there are the compiler-servers who get the cvs and compile it for specific platforms and on the other theres 1 server which manages the compilers
22:33:48peturbuilds are handed out to the individual servers
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22:34:02peturand the main build server does some itself too
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22:35:30theprodukktits improbable that all 11 server crash i think so it could be the problem of the "hand-out-server"
22:35:52LinusNbluebrother: could you try again to edit a topic?
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22:36:43theprodukkthow is the information (in 4mins 38secs) showed on the page?
22:37:13dionoeasome kind of mean of previous builds i guess
22:37:31theprodukkti mean how did u integrate that information so that the webserver can apply it
22:38:09midkaywhat do you mean? it just totals the time from when builds are first handed out to when they're all done..
22:38:36theprodukktbut how does the server (apache, ... ) get those informations
22:38:52midkayit doesn't get them, it generates them - i'd think.
22:39:03midkayif it hands them out and it retrieves them all, it can itself simply calculate the time.
22:39:52theprodukktcommunication problem :/
22:40:09peturtheprodukkt: server side scripting
22:40:45theprodukkthow does it work
22:41:30theprodukkti just know php and cannot imagine a way to show informations from other applications
22:42:07linuxstbIt's just a Perl script which (I'm guessing) runs in the background on the server, and generates the cvs.shtml page just as a static page on the server.
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22:42:41dumbkid^^ sounds logical
22:42:51dumbkidi expected something like that...
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22:43:29LinusNyes, the build script creates the html pages
22:43:29peturah, some good soul kicked the build server
22:43:43*LinusN <- good soul
22:43:57*petur guessed that ;)
22:44:59dumbkidi dont see any builds without compilation errors/warnings.. whats the matter for that?
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22:45:48dumbkidshouldnt they be fixed?
22:46:25linuxstbThey are warnings introduced in newer versions of gcc (4.1 I think). But yes, they should be fixed.
22:48:12LinusNit's amiconn's server that has the newer gcc
22:48:39peturChristi too I think
22:48:49LinusNmeybe we should disable sim builds on his server for now, until we feel ready to deal with the warnings
22:48:50oboand mine
22:49:38dumbkiddo u all have your dedicated servers?
22:49:50LinusNlooks like has the newer compiler too now...
22:49:51peturah no, Christi's server is the one that generates the flash full error for rombox
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23:04:26amiconnLinusN: The red build on Christi's server is because of an old sh-elf-gcc, not a new one
23:04:39amiconnI already mentioned it 2 times
23:05:06amiconnI don't think the gcc 4.1 warnings hurt much. Several build servers already have 4.1
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23:06:12amiconnpetur: 1.5 dB
23:06:24Ponshas any of you found pacman for pacbox'
23:07:19peturamiconn: you'll be delighted to hear that Archos won't get AGC....
23:07:39amiconnLinusN: For doom, we shoud just disable the gcc 4.1 warnings
23:07:45peturdon't you want the size small?
23:07:54amiconnThen only 4 of them remain, which shouldn't be hard to fix
23:08:50peturamiconn: well the current code from jvo is written for 0.5dB steps, so either I change that of only commit for iriver atm
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23:11:35dumbkidwhere is the code for the building of the tagcache files stored (in which files=
23:15:05Ponsi can't find pacman!
23:15:41dumbkidi can't find the tagcache source
23:17:45amiconnpetur: Yes of course rockbox shouldn't be bloated too much
23:18:13amiconnBut imho agc is more useful a feature than numerous others which got added recently
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23:18:37amiconn- even though I rarely record anything
23:19:16amiconn(with the numerous other features I mean things like playlist catalog, dir skip, runtime db, ...)
23:19:42markundumbkid: maybe apps/tagcache.* ?
23:19:51amiconn_especially_ runtime db
23:20:04*amiconn cannot see the point of having a runtime db
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23:21:28dumbkidstrange, in my source there isnt a apps/tagcache!
23:22:06peturok, I'll look at getting AGC working for all targets with recording
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23:22:27markundumbkid: where did you download the source from?
23:22:46markunThe files should be there. See
23:22:46dumbkidexactly i dont remember
23:22:58dumbkidalready looking there
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23:23:23dionoeathis is completely unrelated to rockbox but: with a uint8_t, 255-c == ~c right ? (if yes, is the second one faster ? or does the compiler optimise that anyway ?)
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23:26:58amiconndionoea: (a) yes, they're equal in the uint8_t range. (b) Which one is faster depends on the target cpu, the actual desired effect, what else you are doing with the values (e.g. casting from/to other types)
23:27:26amiconn(c) don't count on gcc's optimisation abilities, always check the result if speed is important
23:27:52dionoeatarget CPU is x86, desired effect ?, sometimes its from uint8_t, sometimes it's a cast from a uint32_t
23:28:14amiconngcc's optimisations are ranging from ultra clever to ultra dumb
23:28:24amiconnPredictability? None.
23:28:57amiconnMaybe for x86 it's better, I have no idea
23:29:07dionoeaok :) thanks for the help anyway
23:29:13dionoeai'll put it in a loop and time it
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23:33:52dumbkidwhat do you think about the idea if in the artist tag are given 2 artists, seperated by &, for example "Bean & Yanou" (the seperator could also be feat. vs. ...) that tracked is showed in the tagcache twice, once under each artist?
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23:35:20dumbkidno one cares?
23:37:17dumbkidsay something!
23:38:04*dumbkid is curious about the others!
23:38:43_FireFly_dumbkid: for most devs it is 11:40 pm
23:39:07_FireFly_so don't expect an imediately answer
23:39:28_FireFly_and for this case of question the rockbox-dev-ml would be a better place
23:39:47_FireFly_why what ?
23:39:52dumbkidid just wanna know what u think about that idea
23:39:58dumbkidu as a user ;)
23:40:35_FireFly_i don't care because i don't use tagcache ;) and doesn't ran the newest build, too
23:40:53*dumbkid is demotivated :(
23:41:06webguest79dumbkid: but what about bandnames like "Blank & Jones" or "Coheed & Cambria"
23:41:09_FireFly_form one answer wow ;)
23:41:20dumbkid u are right
23:41:37dumbkid i saw them too
23:41:53dumbkid but it wouldn disturb me
23:43:10dumbkid im actually thinking about the place where to do the changes, one possibilitie is to seperate during the writing of the tagcache files
23:43:44dumbkid the other, slower method would be to seperate themn during the showing of the entrys
23:44:25dumbkid but i think the first way is the better one
23:46:02dumbkid wow found a cute line in the rockbox code: cpu_boost(true);
23:46:10dumbkid does that work on my pc too xD ?
23:47:34*obo guesses that dumbkid doesn't remember PCs with turbo buttons on them
23:47:53dumbkid i remember :)
23:48:04dumbkid but i dont remember what they were for -.-
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23:51:38ttyfsckerwhere can i get the mp3 codec for rockbox
23:52:22bluebrotherLinusN, I just tried, now it seems fine. Sorry, was out for a while.
23:53:57dumbkid if ((do_you_know_such_a_function("Artist 1 & Artist2",1) == "Artist 1") and (do_you_know_such_a_function("Artist 1 & Artist2",2) == "Artist 2"))
23:53:57dumbkid posthere(name_of_that_function);
23:53:57DBUGEnqueued KICK dumbkid
23:54:47ttyfsckerwhen i am trying to play an mp3 on my nano i get no codec available.. i looked for the codec for mp3 on rockbox and i cant find it.. how do you all get your mp3s to play?
23:54:55dumbkidcpu_boost(true); /* hope u can think faster know... */
23:55:21dumbkidusually the encoder is already included
23:55:23bluebrotherttyfscker, have you tried reinstalling rockbox?
23:55:36dumbkidor trie to play another file
23:55:39ttyfsckerbluebrother:: yes
23:55:40bluebrothersounds like you're some files missing.
23:55:56bluebrotherdo you have mpa.codec in the codecs subdir?
23:56:14ttyfsckerill wipe everything
23:56:20ttyfsckerand redo it
23:56:36dumbkidrockbox doest support mp3pro etc. (do i remember right?!?)
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23:56:40dumbkidtrie another file
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23:56:52ttyfsckerit does it on all my mp3s
23:57:37dumbkidmaybe theyre all the same type
23:58:02dumbkidi dont know too what to do
23:58:05ttyfsckerwhats the diff in mp3 and mp3pro
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23:58:10ttyfsckerhow can you tell which one you have
23:58:16dumbkid^^ i dont know
23:58:28dumbkidhave to reconnect
23:58:31dumbkidcya in a min
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