| 00:00:05 | CYPER^ | I have more questions :D |
| 00:00:16 | CYPER^ | about TagCache |
| 00:00:33 | CYPER^ | how can I remove Example1 and Example 2 from the list |
| 00:00:49 | | Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) |
| 00:01:13 | CYPER^ | what are they for anyway? |
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| 00:01:17 | webguest79 | CYPER^: edit the tagnavi.config in the .rockbox dir |
| 00:01:29 | | Nick MO-Pantsu is now known as Rori (n=me@host-87-74-118-210.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 00:01:45 | bluebrother | CYPER^, they are examples ;-) |
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| 00:02:29 | CYPER^ | I will delete them |
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| 00:02:34 | CYPER^ | just one moment to see how |
| 00:02:45 | Rori | Hi guys. I asked this ob the forums and got a snooty answer. When I disconnect my Nano from the USB cable using 'Safely Remove Hardware' it crashes to a battery icon and has to be hard reset to boot it. Is this a known issue and is it going to be fixed or is it a problem with Apple and cannot be fixed (Or nobody can be bothered)? |
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| 00:03:27 | CYPER^ | Doest it say: You can now safely remove blah...... |
| 00:03:32 | Rori | yes |
| 00:03:40 | ttyfscker | cool |
| 00:03:45 | ttyfscker | thanks i got it to work |
| 00:03:52 | CYPER^ | hm I don't have that problem with 4G |
| 00:03:54 | Rori | it does not always do it. 50/50 chance it does it |
| 00:04:01 | ttyfscker | for some reason my files didnt get placed in the right directories |
| 00:04:41 | dumbkid | if (you.aredev) |
| 00:04:41 | dumbkid | { |
| 00:04:41 | dumbkid | cpu_boost(true); /* hope u can think faster know... */ |
| 00:04:41 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dumbkid |
| 00:04:41 | dumbkid | if ((do_you_know_such_a_function(" & ",1,"Artist 1 & Artist2") == "Artist 1") and (do_you_know_such_a_function(" & ",2,"Artist 1 & Artist2") == "Artist 2")) |
| 00:04:42 | dumbkid | { |
| 00:04:44 | dumbkid | posthere(name_of_that_function); |
| 00:04:46 | dumbkid | } |
| 00:04:48 | dumbkid | cpu_boost(false); /* save ressources... */ |
| 00:04:50 | dumbkid | } |
| 00:04:55 | dumbkid | so what was the solution for you? |
| 00:04:58 | dumbkid | ttyfscker |
| 00:04:59 | CYPER^ | webguest79, great 10x - I can see it is highly customizable |
| 00:05:01 | dumbkid | i was abscent :/ |
| 00:05:41 | CYPER^ | where can I see tha TagCache Tags? |
| 00:06:25 | linuxstb | Rori: That seems to be a common problem - but the disk mode is part of the Apple firmware, so there's not much we can do about it. In the long term, Rockbox may get its own disk mode, but that won't be an easy task. |
| 00:06:29 | CYPER^ | so I can put some new files: like show only pop songs before 1990 |
| 00:06:37 | CYPER^ | put new lines |
| 00:06:37 | webguest79 | CYPER^: they are not documented yet, because tagcache is still under developement |
| 00:07:00 | CYPER^ | then I can try to understand it :D |
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| 00:07:24 | Rori | linuxstb thanks for giving a decent answer |
| 00:07:32 | ttyfscker | dumbkid:: all the files weren't getting extracted before.. |
| 00:07:37 | Rori | I did not know Rockbox relies on Apple's disk mode to work |
| 00:07:54 | CYPER^ | apple firmware is still there |
| 00:08:02 | CYPER^ | you can see the apple logo, while booting |
| 00:08:33 | Rori | yep true |
| 00:09:05 | Rori | Does Rockbox use the iRiver H1*0 disk mode or it's own? |
| 00:09:30 | Rori | That was poorly worded but you get the idea. |
| 00:09:32 | _FireFly_ | on h1*0 the disk mode is a simple usb-disk |
| 00:09:34 | linuxstb | Rockbox has its own disk mode on every target apart from the ipods. |
| 00:09:46 | webguest79 | i think ipods are the only targets where usb isn't handled by hardware |
| 00:10:04 | Rori | hmm |
| 00:10:08 | bluebrother | btw, how is disk mode handled on ipods? Isn't this done with a hardware solution (like e.g. iriver)? |
| 00:10:32 | linuxstb | No idea.... The USB is all part of the PortalPlayer chip. |
| 00:11:01 | linuxstb | Other targets have separate ATA<->USB bridge chips with (I assume) publically available documentation. |
| 00:11:13 | _FireFly_ | maybe there use a chip which has only the usb-transiver on it and the usb-stack is in software |
| 00:11:15 | bluebrother | ah... sounds like the usb host is completely done in software? Nasty. |
| 00:11:28 | _FireFly_ | s/there/they |
| 00:11:31 | bluebrother | iirc iriver has a cypress ata bridge. |
| 00:12:32 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: whatever it is handled by the usbstorage kernel driver on linux, so any supported chip could be used |
| 00:13:14 | bluebrother | it definitely isn't a Genesys Logic chip as those used to have big problems in usb2.0 mode in kernel 2.4 |
| 00:14:37 | _FireFly_ | i don't know because i doesn't ran an 2.4er kernel |
| 00:15:24 | bluebrother | I picked an external hard drive about 2 years ago with that chip ... it was awful. |
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| 00:15:51 | bluebrother | from what I found on the net it seems GL has strange timings for their chip |
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| 00:19:27 | petur | linuxstb: already working on recording? |
| 00:20:49 | bluebrother | funny. Iriver sells the h120 as "multi codec jukebox" but according to hal it's an mp3 player ;-) |
| 00:21:17 | dumbkid | do someone know how i can catch each character from a string with a if? |
| 00:21:44 | bluebrother | strcmp? |
| 00:21:56 | LinusN | dumbkid: what do you want to accomplish? |
| 00:21:58 | bluebrother | or what do you mean? |
| 00:22:30 | slarti | bluebrother: well, it definitely plays >1 codec |
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| 00:24:02 | dumbkid | all in all i need a function which returns me a part of a string, depending on the argument given to the function (for example: if the string is "Hello & Goodbye" the function should return "Hello" when i call it with function("hello & gb",1) and "Goodbye" when i call function("hello & goodbye",2) |
| 00:24:21 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: mp3-player is nowadays a kind of synonym for protable music players |
| 00:25:05 | webguest45 | Hi. I just wanted to log in and say THANK YOU. For ages I had been waiting for ipodlinux to support 5g ipods so I could play my large .ogg collection. A few hours ago I had never heard of Rockbox, now I have it installed, themed-up and playng my oggs! Thanks guys! |
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| 00:25:46 | bluebrother | _FireFly_, I know. It's just kind of funny as iriver itself uses it. |
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| 00:26:15 | webguest45 | And gapless playback too! I have lost count of the number of time I have moaned to Apple zealots about how dumb it is that iPods have agap between tracks. |
| 00:26:27 | bluebrother | dumbkid, meaning you want to split the string on that & sign? |
| 00:26:38 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: i think if they don't call it a mp3-player then they wouldn't sell as much as they did |
| 00:27:10 | bluebrother | actually they print "multi-codec jukebox" on it. Which was the fact I was surprised. |
| 00:27:25 | dumbkid | exactly thats what i mean |
| 00:27:25 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: by the way the usb-ata-bridge chip is a cypress one http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo#Hardware |
| 00:27:42 | bluebrother | I haven't found another way to display that product string other than using lshal. |
| 00:27:58 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: lsusb ? :) |
| 00:28:11 | _FireFly_ | ok this doesn't work as normal user |
| 00:28:18 | markun | webguest45: good to hear you like it |
| 00:28:29 | bluebrother | hmm, seems I don't have lsusb installed |
| 00:29:05 | _FireFly_ | it should be in /usr/sbin/ |
| 00:29:43 | dumbkid | blue, do you know a function to split those strings? |
| 00:30:46 | _FireFly_ | dumbkid: you could write one with strchr |
| 00:31:36 | dumbkid | ^^ thats the first step |
| 00:31:38 | bluebrother | dumbkid, you could search for the position from which to split. |
| 00:31:40 | dumbkid | didnt know strchr |
| 00:31:49 | bluebrother | I'd use a pointer ;-) |
| 00:31:51 | dumbkid | already started writing exactly tha on my one |
| 00:32:10 | dumbkid | id use a pointer too, but strchr is much easier |
| 00:32:23 | dumbkid | for the first part |
| 00:32:24 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: lsusb is in the usbutils package |
| 00:32:36 | dumbkid | in the second ill still need pointers i think :) |
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| 00:32:41 | _FireFly_ | there is also a strrchr ;) |
| 00:32:45 | _FireFly_ | man strchr |
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| 00:34:50 | _FireFly_ | dumbkid: strchr only returns an pointer |
| 00:35:38 | dumbkid | ^^ |
| 00:36:12 | dumbkid | pointer-string+1 = position of the char in the string :) |
| 00:36:25 | dumbkid | (at least i hope its that easy) |
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| 00:39:03 | bluebrother | dumbkid, I'm not sure if I understand this correctly but if yes it won't work. |
| 00:39:13 | bluebrother | I'm assuming string is the length of your string? |
| 00:39:28 | bluebrother | or do you mean a pointer to your string? |
| 00:39:38 | bluebrother | Which would be different ;-) |
| 00:39:56 | webguest79 | wow, trying to play audiofiles in linux is very disappointing. Amarok refuses to play FLAC files, nautilus pretends that my FLACs are just renamed mp3s and rhythmbox can play the FLACs, but doesn't recognize half of my mp3s. |
| 00:40:30 | dumbkid | i mean the pointer |
| 00:40:34 | kerb | I've had largely positive experiences with Banshee |
| 00:40:36 | bluebrother | ah, ok :) |
| 00:40:43 | bluebrother | hmm, strange new behaviour. |
| 00:40:44 | kerb | Except a few crashes some versions ago |
| 00:40:55 | dumbkid | is it written wrong? |
| 00:41:02 | bluebrother | it seems my player won't play anything after a usb disconnect. |
| 00:41:08 | dumbkid | do i have to write *string? |
| 00:41:10 | _FireFly_ | webguest79: try audacious ;) |
| 00:41:17 | webguest79 | i think i'll continue to have my h320 connected to the line-in. |
| 00:41:33 | bluebrother | rebooting helps, but it's annoying. |
| 00:42:04 | bluebrother | dumbkid, if both are pointers it looks good to me (or I should _really_ go to bed now ;-) |
| 00:42:08 | _FireFly_ | webguest79: which linux distri do you have |
| 00:42:10 | bluebrother | getting late here. |
| 00:42:33 | bluebrother | webguest79, I have amarok playing mp3 and ogg without problems. Are you missing some packages? |
| 00:42:50 | _FireFly_ | amarok can also play flac-files |
| 00:42:55 | webguest79 | ubuntu. i guess the upgrade to 6.06 broke more then i thought. |
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| 00:43:07 | * | dumbkid should _really_ go to bed now :! |
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| 00:43:33 | _FireFly_ | have you tried to run amarok in a terminal to get the error-messages (if there where some) |
| 00:43:51 | bluebrother | webguest79, what engine are you using? |
| 00:43:58 | webguest79 | FireFly: good idea |
| 00:44:11 | linuxstb | petur: Yes, but slowly... Haven't had much time to devote to it. |
| 00:44:19 | _FireFly_ | webguest79: ;) |
| 00:45:26 | petur | linuxstb: I've been thinking of defining a number of values just like buttons are assigned. For min/max/default gain, ... |
| 00:45:27 | bluebrother | damn, why is htlatex still failing on that one longtable's booktabs? |
| 00:46:31 | petur | linuxstb: I was looking into adding AGC for all recording targets but it will introduce too many ifdefs so I'd stuff them all in one place |
| 00:47:08 | dumbkid | help me with my problem, please :) |
| 00:47:08 | dumbkid | given is a string "test1 & test2 & eventuelly test3" |
| 00:47:08 | dumbkid | i want to call a subroutine for each of those parts (seperated by the '&') |
| 00:47:20 | dumbkid | in vb its that easy :/ |
| 00:47:38 | bluebrother | dumbkid, what's exactly the problem? |
| 00:47:42 | bluebrother | not working at all? |
| 00:47:46 | dpassen1 | strtok? |
| 00:47:49 | dumbkid | to hard 2 me |
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| 00:48:31 | dumbkid | strtok ! |
| 00:48:32 | dumbkid | thx |
| 00:48:32 | dumbkid | :) |
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| 00:49:13 | bluebrother | I really need to get some sleep. |
| 00:49:23 | bluebrother | dumbkid, good luck. |
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| 00:51:58 | linuxstb | petur: It would be nice if pcm_record.c was made more generic - moving all the Coldfire-specific stuff somewhere else. A similar cleanup could be done in pcm_playback.c |
| 00:52:36 | petur | yes |
| 00:52:52 | petur | after the holiday :) |
| 00:54:34 | linuxstb | yes :) |
| 00:54:39 | webguest79 | _Firefly_: unfortunately the console doesn't output anything useful. well, maybe i'll look into this tomorrow. now i need some sleep. night. |
| 00:55:05 | linuxstb | petur: When the weather returns to something sensible... |
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| 00:55:43 | dumbkid | well |
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| 00:55:46 | petur | ah we just had a bit of rain. but still 28 degrees... |
| 00:56:03 | dumbkid | the multiple entry of artists seperated with & is done! |
| 00:56:28 | dumbkid | but i dont believe itll work xD |
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| 00:57:32 | linuxstb | "Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young" will work well... |
| 00:58:11 | dumbkid | ? |
| 00:59:18 | dumbkid | with my patch in the tagcache there should be 5 entries :/ |
| 00:59:18 | dumbkid | crosby |
| 00:59:18 | dumbkid | stills |
| 00:59:18 | dumbkid | nash |
| 00:59:18 | dumbkid | young |
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| 00:59:18 | dumbkid | crosby, stills, nash & young |
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| 00:59:33 | linuxstb | So it splits on "," as well? |
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| 00:59:40 | dumbkid | ye |
| 00:59:41 | dumbkid | yes |
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| 00:59:52 | CYPER^ | why the itunes2 wps is not showing properly |
| 00:59:57 | CYPER^ | I put the fonts package |
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| 01:00:09 | CYPER^ | and it's not just it |
| 01:00:13 | dumbkid | (to be true... it splits on "," since u remembered me of it xD) |
| 01:00:17 | CYPER^ | some other themes as well |
| 01:00:26 | dumbkid | what do u mean? |
| 01:00:47 | dumbkid | i have some pink boxes at some themes -.- |
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| 01:01:02 | dumbkid | but i have no chance to test it :( |
| 01:01:07 | dumbkid | my patch |
| 01:01:08 | CYPER^ | everyting is white with itunes2 |
| 01:01:23 | dumbkid | cygwin will take some years until its loaded xD |
| 01:02:31 | CYPER^ | also why scrolling is so slow |
| 01:03:09 | linuxstb | dumbkid: Now find a way to link that "young" with "Neil Young" (solo), "Neil Young & Crazy Horse", etc etc |
| 01:03:16 | CYPER^ | feels like slow proccesorprocessor |
| 01:03:19 | CYPER^ | slow processor |
| 01:03:21 | dumbkid | memset(&track, 0, sizeof(struct track_info)); |
| 01:03:21 | dumbkid | memset(&entry, 0, sizeof(struct temp_file_entry)); |
| 01:03:21 | dumbkid | memset(&tracknumfix, 0, sizeof(tracknumfix)); |
| 01:03:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 01:03:21 | dumbkid | ret = get_metadata(&track, fd, path, false); |
| 01:03:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 01:03:21 | dumbkid | close(fd); |
| 01:03:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 01:03:21 | dumbkid | |
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| 01:04:59 | dumbkid | hm |
| 01:05:13 | dumbkid | looks like freenode dont want me to post sourcecode ... |
| 01:05:57 | dumbkid | im so proud on my first work :) (most of that work is what u said me xD and i dont know if it works, but ive written 3 lines!) |
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| 01:06:35 | petur | dumbkid: your punishment for flooding the channel :) |
| 01:06:47 | dumbkid | it has to be a amazing feeling to write something that genious like rockbox! right linus= |
| 01:06:47 | dumbkid | ? |
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| 01:07:44 | dumbkid | oh its late :/ |
| 01:08:23 | dumbkid | im gonna sleeping now |
| 01:08:27 | petur | dumbkid: use pastebin.com |
| 01:08:31 | dumbkid | cy@ll |
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| 01:14:41 | dumbkid | wow, my code is something special! |
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| 01:14:46 | dumbkid | ^^ my work -.- |
| 01:17:43 | dumbkid | any german ppl here? |
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| 01:20:44 | dumbkid | looks like nobodys online |
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| 03:15:45 | ttyfscker | why doesnt rockbox save my settings after i add more songs to it? |
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| 03:20:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you shut it down properly after changing settings? |
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| 03:23:48 | ttyfscker | i cant figure it out it wont let me have the usb cable hooked up and listen to music at the same time.. it always goes to disk mode.. when i try to save my config i cant seem to find out what the "save" "enter" button is.. the center button is like backspace, the menu button takes me out and cancels, the play button doesnt seem to do anything and the left/right arrows navigate |
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| 03:24:44 | * | Paul_The_Nerd notes that none of that answered the one question he asked. |
| 03:25:08 | ttyfscker | yes i did shut down |
| 03:25:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | By holding Play? |
| 03:25:44 | ttyfscker | yes |
| 03:25:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you using an official build, or one of the modified ones from the forums? |
| 03:26:05 | ttyfscker | but thats not a big deal really |
| 03:26:14 | ttyfscker | i do want to be able to listen to it while its charging |
| 03:26:27 | ttyfscker | no im using the latest from the rockbox site for the ipod nano |
| 03:26:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | How to listen while charging, and the controls for name-entry for files, are in the Manual and FAQ. |
| 03:27:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | With an official build, once you've changed settings, on nano they may not save to memory (not the same as saving them to a file) unless you properly shut down. If you just plug in USB, they may be cleared by it rebooting for USB mode. |
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| 03:36:40 | ttyfscker | Paul_The_Nerd:: is there not a quick way to tell me how to do that without having to load that bulky manual? |
| 03:36:47 | ttyfscker | just to play while charging |
| 03:36:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | ttyfscker: Read the IpodFAQ page in the wiki then. |
| 03:37:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The pages exist for a reason, and that's so that people can look there before asking questions. It'd kinda be silly if we didn't at least strongly suggest people go and read them first when they do ask here without checking them first. |
| 03:41:12 | scorche | ttyfscker: om...interesting name >_> |
| 03:42:38 | ttyfscker | thanks scorche |
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| 03:45:41 | jhMikeS | Hello. |
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| 03:46:33 | | Nick Bloody_Sorcerer is now known as BloodySorcerer (n=BS@cpe-72-230-178-79.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 03:48:05 | jhMikeS | I'm a bit confused by something in Port Pin Assignments. For X5's GPIO28 it says "CS1-(A15, A14 selects LCD or USBOTG: 10=LCD 01=USBOTG). I though the CS1 line selected the chip. What chip lines are A14/15 connected to? Esp A15 for LCD. |
| 03:51:39 | jhMikeS | Anyone? Anyone? |
| 03:51:43 | jhMikeS | ping |
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| 04:06:44 | ttyfscker | is the rockbox theme page down or something? i get a weird error when i try to load it |
| 04:08:05 | BloodySorcerer | appears to be borken. |
| 04:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Don't expect quick responses to obscure hardware questions. The people who know these things aren't always around. |
| 04:09:24 | jhMikeS | Paul: Thanks. What's the best time? |
| 04:11:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: It all depends on their schedules. You may want to try the developer's mailing list. |
| 04:15:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd notes that it should never be 38C after 8pm. |
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| 04:18:30 | earHertz | l/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 04:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 04:18:51 | earHertz | SIGH |
| 04:19:02 | scorche | it is a goodthing someone didnt put their password int here too :P |
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| 04:19:17 | scorche | (this is why i always do it in the server window) |
| 04:19:22 | earHertz | so, uh, how do I chnage an irc password? |
| 04:20:28 | scorche | /ns set password |
| 04:20:44 | earHertz | thanks |
| 04:21:03 | earHertz | l/ns set password scroche |
| 04:21:07 | earHertz | whoops |
| 04:21:43 | scorche | doesnt work like that anyway ;) |
| 04:22:02 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm American, I guess that's 100.4. Whew. |
| 04:23:01 | earHertz | thee are AMERICANS in teh channell??? |
| 04:23:12 | jhMikeS | Aye! |
| 04:23:14 | BloodySorcerer | omf |
| 04:23:16 | BloodySorcerer | g |
| 04:23:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I'm from Texas. It's like two steps worse. |
| 04:23:17 | BloodySorcerer | omfg |
| 04:23:20 | BloodySorcerer | im amaerican?! |
| 04:23:24 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, yes it is |
| 04:23:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: It was 114 at 3pm today. |
| 04:23:24 | BloodySorcerer | american even! |
| 04:23:33 | BloodySorcerer | aww, i'm sorry paul |
| 04:23:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Fortunately I'm in Austin. The rest of the state likes to pretend like we don't exist. |
| 04:23:42 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Desert? |
| 04:23:43 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: I hope you're in austin? |
| 04:23:53 | earHertz | synchronity |
| 04:23:53 | BloodySorcerer | oh well, i'm from new york, so i get the permanent association with that big stupid city. |
| 04:23:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:24:01 | BloodySorcerer | i want long island to secede from NY state. |
| 04:25:02 | earHertz | I want Texas to secede −− and take it's idiot with it. |
| 04:25:06 | earHertz | er, its |
| 04:25:23 | earHertz | (no, I don't mean Paul_The_Nerd ) |
| 04:25:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | He's actually not *from* Texas. He just kinda acts like he is. |
| 04:25:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure he remembers that he's not any more. |
| 04:25:40 | earHertz | true that |
| 04:25:42 | jhMikeS | Hola a todos los Tejanos1 |
| 04:26:06 | earHertz | gah |
| 04:26:34 | * | earHertz chants Two More Years! |
| 04:27:55 | BloodySorcerer | which is 8 years too lnog |
| 04:27:58 | BloodySorcerer | long** |
| 04:28:03 | BloodySorcerer | but thats another channel |
| 04:41:06 | * | jhMikeS Testing uno dos tres |
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| 04:48:22 | * | jhMikeS thinks great, the wiki's fried. |
| 04:48:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fried how? |
| 04:49:20 | jhMikeS | It says: "TWiki Installation Error. Template "oopsblacklist" not found. Check the configuration setting for {TemplateDir}. |
| 04:49:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 04:49:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | What page is giving that to you? |
| 04:49:37 | jhMikeS | iAudio port |
| 04:50:12 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...just that one |
| 04:50:26 | jhMikeS | So far... |
| 04:50:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Try again |
| 04:50:58 | BloodySorcerer | WPS gallery is too |
| 04:51:00 | BloodySorcerer | or was too |
| 04:51:40 | jhMikeS | That one too still |
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| 04:52:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The WpsGallery should be back now too. |
| 04:52:43 | jhMikeS | yep, got it |
| 04:52:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure what was wrong, but it was fixable at least. |
| 04:53:05 | jhMikeS | iAudio port as well |
| 04:53:26 | jhMikeS | You were doing work on it? |
| 04:53:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 04:53:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I was able to get to the "edit" page for it, then re-save the page. |
| 04:53:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just couldn't get to the real page. |
| 04:54:20 | jhMikeS | Excellent |
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| 05:00:14 | BloodySorcerer | i am bored. |
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| 05:10:37 | jhMikeS | Is there a way to create plugins independently of the main rockbox build? |
| 05:11:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not at the moment. |
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| 05:12:49 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...another thing. What about creating patches that only include some of the source because usually the entire source tree is in the diff. Does that mean file by file diffing? |
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| 05:13:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean "entire source tree is in the diff"? |
| 05:13:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, you don't want *all* changes, just the ones in two or three files? |
| 05:13:42 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 05:13:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think you can feed diff a list of files. I'm not terribly certain though, I'm not that strong with it. |
| 05:14:34 | jhMikeS | hmmm...yeah, shell script or something |
| 05:14:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I think you can just give it multiple filenames without a script. |
| 05:15:14 | jhMikeS | True, but I hate typing the same stuff again and again. :) |
| 05:15:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, why not create a patch of all the other changes once, then strip that patch before diffing. |
| 05:15:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or, just have multiple source trees so your patches don't overlap |
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| 05:16:56 | jhMikeS | Strip out the parts I want in the final patch, right? |
| 05:17:05 | jhMikeS | XOR |
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| 05:18:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well I mean, you can diff everything. |
| 05:18:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then *remove* from that diff the parts that are currently being worked on. |
| 05:18:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, when you want to create a patch of *just* the worked-on parts, patch -R the big diff, so that it leaves only those changes, then diff them. |
| 05:19:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming you're only working on one set of things at once. |
| 05:19:06 | jhMikeS | Is it at all frowned upon to release patches that depend upon a previous patch? To keep each one to a specific purpose instead of a huge lump. |
| 05:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually the patch tracker makes specific provisions for it. |
| 05:19:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can list one patch as depending on another. |
| 05:19:51 | jhMikeS | I saw that...not sure if there's a point of abuse or not. |
| 05:20:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's preferred that you *only* make it depend on another if it's reasonably logical for it to do so (like, having a plugin depend on a patch to the display code is okay, but having a keymapping patch depend on a display patch just because you didn't bother to sync it with CVS is not) |
| 05:20:56 | jhMikeS | Good ideas for that. |
| 05:21:10 | BHSPitMonkey | does someone want to help me with a little bit of iPod hard drive repair using linux |
| 05:21:34 | jhMikeS | Well, I was thinking: Display driver patch...patch that adds menu feature that depend on display driver. |
| 05:21:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: So yeah, as long as the dependencies are functional ones, and not laziness ones, and as long as the functional once can be justified, it should be fine. |
| 05:21:56 | BHSPitMonkey | despite the just-about-off-topic nature of the problem |
| 05:22:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if the menu feature is an aspect of the new display code, like controlling it (ability to set bit depth on the driver level, and menu option for setting bit depth, as a random example) you'd generally include them as one patch. |
| 05:22:29 | jhMikeS | BHSPitMonkey: Noone's really talking about much else |
| 05:22:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: What kinda problem you havin'? |
| 05:22:48 | BHSPitMonkey | this hard drive's kind of gimped, possibly beyond repair |
| 05:23:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'gimped, possibly beyond repair' is not one of the technical terms I'm familiar with. :-P |
| 05:23:13 | BHSPitMonkey | when I analyze it in testdisk, certain cylinders stop it in its tracks for periods of time |
| 05:23:15 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 05:23:52 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 05:23:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if it's physical HD death, there's not too much you can do |
| 05:24:13 | jhMikeS | I'm just dividing driver features from user features...comparmentalize and all. |
| 05:24:25 | BHSPitMonkey | are there any good utils for linux like "ScanDisk", that try and repair fixable problems in that area |
| 05:24:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but driver features, and the means of user control of that feature, should be included in the same patch in most cases. |
| 05:24:49 | jhMikeS | BHSpitMonkey: Save the neodymium magnets, nothing will fall off your fridge ever again. :) |
| 05:25:28 | BHSPitMonkey | jhMikeS, hey now, try to keep a positive attitude about this :) |
| 05:25:41 | BHSPitMonkey | let's not bury it before it's dead |
| 05:25:58 | BHSPitMonkey | it's 7 months old, Apple -should- replace it |
| 05:26:02 | BHSPitMonkey | but they're saying no |
| 05:26:09 | BHSPitMonkey | I need to get on the phone with them |
| 05:26:25 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Ok...thanks |
| 05:27:39 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Just trying to learn "patch etiquette" :) |
| 05:28:19 | jhMikeS | BHSpinMonkey: The warranty is over? Or is there some provision in it about the hard drive. Maybe Toshiba will do it. |
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| 05:29:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: There aren't really set rules, but it makes it easier if all aspects of a single feature are in one patch, with one feature / patch, I think. |
| 05:31:43 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Badger did tell me once basically to not release one huge patch that changes everything when I was talking about implementing a modular UI. |
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| 05:33:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, with something that big, if you can break it into steps it's better. Fix/change one thing, make sure it doesn't break anything or lose the ability to do anything, move on. I mean, it kinda depends on how much you can break it down. |
| 05:33:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Patches that are necessary for working toward such an idea, but for the user simply remove functionality without replacing it don't to *too* much good outside of testing opportunities. |
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| 05:33:59 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't care to make changes for their own sake. |
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| 05:34:41 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: And whaddya mean "remove functionality"? I'd be adding a lot of functionality. |
| 05:35:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Well, for example, if the first step was to set up the framework for the modular system, but you hadn't implemented the menus in it, just uploading the framework patch removing the old menu would be silly if there wasn't a new one built in to replace it. |
| 05:35:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | That sort of thing |
| 05:36:27 | earHertz | quick, what's a two paramweter ANSI C function? |
| 05:36:37 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: main? |
| 05:36:49 | jhMikeS | I mean earHertz. |
| 05:36:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I figured |
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| 05:37:00 | earHertz | er, not main. a linbraryu funct |
| 05:37:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking the same thing, but trying to come up with a better answer than that. |
| 05:37:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | printf can be. |
| 05:37:37 | earHertz | no, only two |
| 05:37:46 | jhMikeS | exactly two, huh |
| 05:37:54 | earHertz | yeah |
| 05:38:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | pow from math.h? |
| 05:39:17 | earHertz | strcmp! |
| 05:39:27 | jhMikeS | fopen? or it that three? |
| 05:39:31 | jhMikeS | strcpy |
| 05:41:18 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why you needed an existing two-parameter function |
| 05:41:54 | * | jhMikeS thinks why selected by parameter count? |
| 05:42:09 | jhMikeS | Must be a pop quiz. |
| 05:43:09 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: pm me |
| 05:43:56 | earHertz | jhMikeS: trying to explain how to program |
| 05:44:24 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Back to that other thing. I'd probably modularize the existing UI first. Noone would see the difference out front. |
| 05:45:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is ideal. |
| 05:45:56 | jhMikeS | earHertz: Ahhh...didactic. |
| 05:46:29 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I would include an alternative demo UI with it, just load it like a plugin. |
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| 05:47:56 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: But I'm low on coffee and smokes... |
| 05:48:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:56:37 | jhMikeS | Time to see if I can get highspeed write mode to work and if it can actually speed things up... |
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| 06:02:13 | earHertz | jhMikeS: high speed wriote for what? |
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| 06:06:08 | jhMikeS | earHertz: For the LCD chip |
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| 06:06:39 | earHertz | which lcd? |
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| 06:06:57 | sharpe | earHertz: remember that malloc() code ye helped me on? |
| 06:06:59 | jhMikeS | X5. Write four words before GRAM is updated |
| 06:07:15 | earHertz | jhMikeS: cool |
| 06:07:20 | earHertz | sharpe: yeah? |
| 06:08:31 | sharpe | yep. i can't really be sure that it works, for the odd reason that writing to memory, then reading back the written value twice, gives the correct value on the first read, but on the second read, what it was originally. i figure it's something with my page mapping. |
| 06:08:38 | jhMikeS | But the screen is rotated 90deg and horz. is really vert. The chip can only do it in horz. mode so I have to read bitmaps vertically so I don't know if the net result will be positive. |
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| 06:09:35 | jhMikeS | I'm saving my framerate stats and I proceed. |
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| 06:10:07 | earHertz | jhMikeS: yeah, metrics are good. f'r instance, on teh ipod lcd, c is fater than assm for large writes. (!!!) |
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| 06:10:18 | earHertz | jhMikeS: freenode is thrashing |
| 06:11:02 | earHertz | sharpe: debug the allocator entirely BEFORE you introduce pageing |
| 06:11:26 | jhMikeS | earHertz: But the C becomes assembly! QED. |
| 06:11:42 | earHertz | um, the C versus hand-coded asm |
| 06:12:01 | jhMikeS | I did some stuff and increased 1/4 screen updates by 20fps |
| 06:12:14 | sharpe | blar blar blar... paging, how i loathe thee. |
| 06:12:14 | jhMikeS | AND properly clip the drawing parameters |
| 06:12:17 | sharpe | :D |
| 06:12:41 | jhMikeS | Some loss or no gain on full screen |
| 06:12:54 | jhMikeS | But HWM...that is the question. :) |
| 06:12:58 | earHertz | jhMikeS: how are you readinmg teh bitmaps? |
| 06:13:47 | jhMikeS | Right now...no change from stock...by row |
| 06:14:06 | jhMikeS | earHertz: Or do you speak of something else. |
| 06:14:21 | earHertz | don't do that |
| 06:14:41 | jhMikeS | earHertz: Don't do what? |
| 06:15:01 | earHertz | er, what do you mean by row? yiou read teh whole row, and erite that to a temp area, rottaing it? |
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| 06:15:38 | jhMikeS | No...write the row to gram in order. I haven't changed that at all. |
| 06:16:01 | jhMikeS | Increment the source address by word |
| 06:16:14 | earHertz | ok |
| 06:16:21 | * | earHertz is way to tired to think staright |
| 06:16:49 | jhMikeS | To use HWM I'd have to increment the source address by the stride and the would write logically horizonally. No temp buffer needed. |
| 06:17:16 | earHertz | ok |
| 06:18:49 | jhMikeS | The X5 LCD design is not so good. The rotaion prevents a function like lcd_roll from being implemented as a simple hardware remap. |
| 06:19:17 | jhMikeS | Not to mention complicating what I'm about to test. |
| 06:20:00 | * | earHertz nods |
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| 06:28:05 | sharpe | earHertz: seems to allocate correctly, just need to check if deallocation, then allocating works. |
| 06:28:22 | earHertz | good |
| 06:28:38 | earHertz | I should apologize −− I'm really really tirees, so am not helpful |
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| 08:32:50 | xerxes1358 | Hello |
| 08:33:36 | xerxes1358 | guys I have an iPod video but I am looking for an alternative os that allows a more easy way to structure my audiobooks and music. I want to have directory hierarchy etc... Can rockbox do that? |
| 08:33:56 | scorche | yes |
| 08:34:27 | xerxes1358 | and do I still have to convert all the video files ? |
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| 08:35:46 | scorche | rockbox will not play video files |
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| 08:36:14 | xerxes1358 | so if I install rockbox I cant play any videos anymore ? |
| 08:36:42 | scorche | if you want to play videos, you can boot into the original firmware |
| 08:37:30 | xerxes1358 | will there be video function in the future ? |
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| 08:38:10 | earHertz | xerxes1358: i's unlikely, unless we can learn a lot more about teh broadcomm chip that processes teh video |
| 08:38:20 | xerxes1358 | I see |
| 08:38:33 | xerxes1358 | well Apple is going with nvidia I heard |
| 08:38:41 | xerxes1358 | :-) that wont help me much though |
| 08:38:43 | earHertz | however, booting into the retail os isn't too onerous |
| 08:39:11 | xerxes1358 | ok |
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| 08:40:30 | xerxes1358 | any of you guys have ipod video too ? I have ripped some MP4 files with a special program specially for ipod but these files only play for like 2 or 4 minutes and then stop. On the computer they work fine though |
| 08:40:38 | xerxes1358 | any idea why they dont work ?> |
| 08:40:43 | earHertz | xerxes1358: I have a 60gb ipod video |
| 08:41:09 | earHertz | xerxes1358: no idea. conversion suppport is flakey |
| 08:41:17 | xerxes1358 | what application do you use ? |
| 08:41:31 | earHertz | videora converts ok, and mp3encoder also, if you much with it |
| 08:41:40 | earHertz | er, muck |
| 08:41:49 | xerxes1358 | videora? |
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| 08:41:50 | xerxes1358 | ok |
| 08:41:53 | earHertz | honestly, I don't play videos much on teh ipod |
| 08:41:58 | xerxes1358 | I used istuint |
| 08:42:02 | xerxes1358 | iSquint |
| 08:42:11 | earHertz | oh, you must have a mac |
| 08:42:23 | xerxes1358 | I bought one because of the video otherwise I would have bought other brands |
| 08:42:28 | xerxes1358 | Yeah I have a mac |
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| 08:44:07 | Jungti1234 | good job |
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| 08:45:05 | Jungti1234 | By the way, where is file that Rock Paint save? |
| 08:45:15 | Jungti1234 | save where? |
| 08:46:34 | xerxes1358 | how about anapod |
| 08:46:45 | xerxes1358 | does that have directory hierarchy and video ? |
| 08:46:48 | earHertz | nrever used it |
| 08:47:25 | earHertz | xerxes1358: why do you want a dire hierarchy rather thna itunes style? |
| 08:47:50 | xerxes1358 | I hate the itunes system |
| 08:47:57 | xerxes1358 | is counter intuitive |
| 08:48:03 | earHertz | huh, I like it |
| 08:48:06 | xerxes1358 | I like to make my own structure |
| 08:48:43 | earHertz | ok |
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| 08:59:12 | finik | linuxstb: here? |
| 08:59:17 | Jungti1234 | anyone don't know? |
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| 09:01:38 | finik | anyone knows, do we have any implementation for serial protocol for ipod 5g implemented? |
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| 09:10:58 | ravon | Does rockbox work at all with ipod version 3? |
| 09:11:12 | ravon | My coworker wants to install it on his player. |
| 09:11:36 | Zagor | ravon: yes, but playback stutters a bit still |
| 09:12:03 | ravon | Zagor: Okidok, thanks |
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| 09:22:53 | JdGordon | finik: not yet |
| 09:23:45 | * | Ribs installs rockbox again |
| 09:25:54 | finik | JdGordon: I am not talking about apple accessory protocol, but just uart through tx/rx, still no? :) |
| 09:26:27 | JdGordon | oh, prob not, but i dunno |
| 09:28:37 | finik | do you know what kind of accessories can be run on ipod power, which pins, how is it controlled from SW and what current can I take from there? |
| 09:29:24 | JdGordon | the ipodlinux wiki would be the best bet for u i tihnk.. iirc they have it all working |
| 09:30:57 | Ribs | Does rockbox now include the album art patch? |
| 09:31:54 | petur | Ribs: no |
| 09:32:08 | finik | JdGordon: I know ipodlinux wiki by heart now already, reading it for 2 hours :) |
| 09:32:24 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: a quick look at the rockpaint source suggests that you can choose where to save the pics |
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| 09:33:22 | finik | JdGordon: pjulius claims in his blog he powered his itrip using pin #17 (and this is not documented in wiki) with the help from linuxstb |
| 09:34:12 | JdGordon | i dunno, linuxstb will prob be around in the next while, so enjoy the idling atmosphere here :) |
| 09:34:21 | finik | hehe, thanks :) |
| 09:35:18 | mueslii | test |
| 09:35:23 | JdGordon | failed |
| 09:35:33 | mueslii | mk ;) |
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| 09:37:20 | * | amiconn is reinstalling cygwin :/ |
| 09:38:52 | JdGordon | has any1 tried compiling the cross compilers with mingw in windows? |
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| 09:40:14 | mueslii | someone around running windows and can help me with the media player? |
| 09:40:48 | sharpe | ahah. windows media player will not install for my xp install. |
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| 09:42:35 | petur | amiconn: again? |
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| 10:07:28 | Ribs | hrm |
| 10:07:36 | Ribs | is rockbox supposed to come with a fonts directory? |
| 10:08:27 | petur | not anymore |
| 10:08:46 | petur | it's a separate download on the daily page |
| 10:09:43 | Ribs | ahhh |
| 10:11:33 | Ribs | is it possible to replace the default "rockbox" opening graphic |
| 10:11:37 | Ribs | like, when it first loads. |
| 10:12:03 | petur | if you build it yourself |
| 10:12:05 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon: what's mean..? |
| 10:12:16 | Ribs | well, I'm too lazy for that |
| 10:12:20 | Ribs | I'll just put up with it :> |
| 10:12:21 | petur | :) |
| 10:12:37 | Ribs | so the graphic is actually built into the software? |
| 10:12:40 | Ribs | it's not a seperate .bmp? |
| 10:13:19 | petur | no |
| 10:13:46 | Ribs | damn, no speex support |
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| 10:13:50 | * | Ribs will transcode! |
| 10:14:05 | petur | somebody was working on speex |
| 10:14:18 | petur | so it's probably coming |
| 10:14:34 | Jungti1234 | please answer.... |
| 10:15:31 | * | petur wonders what the question was |
| 10:15:49 | Ribs | ahhahahaha |
| 10:16:03 | Ribs | The rockbox firmware has a simular bug to the Apple firmware |
| 10:16:10 | Ribs | maybe it's just my iPod :> |
| 10:16:13 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: i mean, you can save the pictures anywhere u want |
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| 10:18:35 | Zagor | Ribs: what bug is that? |
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| 10:18:45 | linuxstb_ | Ribs: Someone has implemented Speex support for Rockbox, but I'm not sure if it's on the patch tracker yet. |
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| 10:19:55 | Ribs | Zagor: The iPod will refuse to play *anything* until I reboot it |
| 10:20:02 | Ribs | It doesn't happen often |
| 10:20:08 | Ribs | but it's a tad annoying when it does |
| 10:20:46 | Zagor | Ribs: what happens when you try playing a file? |
| 10:20:48 | markun | Jungti1234: Did you see what I added to the E10 wiki page? |
| 10:20:53 | Ribs | Zagor: nothing |
| 10:21:08 | Ribs | Well, it shows the screen, as if it tries to play it |
| 10:21:11 | Ribs | but nothing actually plays |
| 10:21:14 | Ribs | it gets 'stuck' |
| 10:21:22 | Zagor | Ribs: more details, please. can you select a file? does it ever go into the wps? |
| 10:21:31 | Ribs | yes, the wps is visible |
| 10:21:36 | linuxstb_ | Ribs: Does Rockbox become unresponsive:? |
| 10:21:44 | Ribs | oh no... rockbox continues to work just fine |
| 10:21:51 | Ribs | I suspect it's the sound hardware failing at some point |
| 10:22:01 | Ribs | can't initialise or something |
| 10:22:12 | linuxstb_ | Does the track time increase, or is it stuck at 0:00 ? |
| 10:22:18 | Ribs | hrm |
| 10:22:20 | Ribs | don't remember |
| 10:22:27 | markun | OT: Do you guys have any favorite SID tunes? I really like the one from Sanxion by Rob Hubbard |
| 10:22:36 | Ribs | I'll try to reproduce, hold on |
| 10:23:09 | Ribs | okay, this is interesting |
| 10:23:09 | Zagor | markun: I like most of Martin Galways tunes. ocean loader is a favorite. |
| 10:23:09 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon: how? |
| 10:23:20 | Ribs | when trying to open the speex file, it doesn't work, obviously |
| 10:23:25 | Ribs | but now the iPod won't play anything |
| 10:23:35 | Ribs | It's not random, I can actually reproduce it now :> |
| 10:23:47 | Ribs | linuxstb: time stays at zero |
| 10:24:00 | Ribs | it seems to load the information about the track okay |
| 10:24:07 | Ribs | it just doesn't repond when I press play |
| 10:24:31 | Jungti1234 | markun: yes, I saw now. |
| 10:24:41 | Jungti1234 | nice link |
| 10:25:07 | Ribs | when I do a reboot, I hear a pop in the headphones, not sure if that's normal |
| 10:25:19 | linuxstb_ | It would be helpful if you could file a bug report, with the exact steps needed to reproduce. But if you say you get a similar problem in Apple's firmware, it does point to some kind of hardware issue. I can't recall anyone else with a similar problem. |
| 10:25:36 | Jungti1234 | but it doesn't have datasheet. |
| 10:25:40 | Ribs | linuxstb: Well, the apple problem was different |
| 10:25:42 | Ribs | it was random |
| 10:25:51 | Ribs | I'd go to use the iPod, and it wouldn't work |
| 10:26:10 | Ribs | however, with this, when I play my speex file (well, try to play it), it seems to trigger the "I don't want to play anything now" bug |
| 10:27:22 | petur | Ribs: does the time start to count or does it stay 0:00 ? |
| 10:27:30 | Ribs | stays at 0:00 |
| 10:27:48 | Ribs | the access icon on the wpa seems to stay stuck as well |
| 10:27:59 | Ribs | so I'm guessing that a function somewhere is never returning |
| 10:28:11 | Ribs | probably from when I'm trying to play my speex file |
| 10:28:16 | linuxstb_ | Ribs: Can you also reproduce without ever trying to play a Speex file? |
| 10:28:26 | Ribs | linuxstb: I don't know yet |
| 10:28:36 | Ribs | I've only just started using RockBox again :> |
| 10:28:55 | Ribs | for literally about 20 minutes |
| 10:29:01 | * | Ribs just attracts bugs :/ |
| 10:29:33 | petur | rockbox shouldn't do anything when you click an unsupported file |
| 10:29:43 | Ribs | it goes into the wpa |
| 10:30:04 | Ribs | it's an .ogg extension on the file, so maybe it's thinking it's a vorbis? |
| 10:30:06 | linuxstb_ | Ribs: I assume your speex file is called ".ogg" ? |
| 10:30:09 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 10:30:14 | petur | ah |
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| 10:30:44 | Ribs | I see this in the wpa |
| 10:30:45 | Ribs | (root) |
| 10:30:46 | Ribs | no file! |
| 10:30:48 | Ribs | (root) |
| 10:30:53 | Ribs | if that means anything |
| 10:31:05 | linuxstb_ | The .ogg parser _should_ spot that it isn't vorbis and reject it, but it sounds like it doesn't do that. But as we've got a speex decoder on the way, it's probably not worth fixing it. |
| 10:31:09 | Ribs | It's picked up the genre as "blues" −− I don't think that's right tho :) |
| 10:31:41 | Ribs | yeeah, and now it's not playing anything again :> |
| 10:32:27 | petur | linuxstb: it shouldn't do that on a bad file tho |
| 10:33:11 | linuxstb_ | True. |
| 10:34:11 | linuxstb_ | Ribs: Which player are you using Rockbox on? |
| 10:34:20 | Ribs | iPod Video (5g) |
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| 10:40:29 | Ribs | If you guys decide to fix it or whatever, I'll be happy to test it |
| 10:42:38 | linuxstb_ | I'll at least try and see if I can recreate it. |
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| 10:55:43 | * | linuxstb is getting annoyed at people posting problems to the forum, followed a short time later with "Don't worry, I've figured it out" - but with no explanation to help other users with the same problem... |
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| 11:00:43 | Zagor | linuxstb: yeah, that's a classic. reaaally helpful. |
| 11:00:55 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: i dont know, i assume when you exit it the plugin it will ask if you want to save and show you the keyboard so u can type the filename |
| 11:02:20 | * | petur sometimes still answers the question, just so that the searchers will know the solution |
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| 11:10:29 | RaeNye | Aloha |
| 11:11:24 | RaeNye | linusn, are you alive? |
| 11:18:35 | RaeNye | is anyone alive? |
| 11:18:49 | petur | nope |
| 11:18:53 | Slasheri | no, everyone are dead |
| 11:18:54 | JdGordon | goodby cruel world |
| 11:18:57 | * | JdGordon dies |
| 11:19:17 | JdGordon | hmm... they arnt ready for me upstairs yet.... |
| 11:19:27 | * | JdGordon walks among the living just for the hell of it! |
| 11:20:37 | RaeNye | :) |
| 11:21:06 | RaeNye | They say on iaudiophile forum that the radio patch actually increases battery life for X5 |
| 11:21:25 | JdGordon | haha, wd |
| 11:21:47 | * | JdGordon saw RaeNye flincth... he is just nagging for the patch to be commited :D |
| 11:22:06 | RaeNye | we might even overachieve OF |
| 11:22:23 | * | RaeNye doesn't care. His build *has* FM radio |
| 11:22:33 | * | JdGordon was joking |
| 11:22:45 | RaeNye | and besides, my name is already in CREDITS ;-) |
| 11:22:54 | petur | lol |
| 11:23:50 | RaeNye | btw, what exactly flincth /is/ ? |
| 11:24:41 | JdGordon | umm... i guess an involantary muscle jerk or something, indication your uncomfortable, or more generally made a funny movement meaning your lieing :D |
| 11:25:07 | LinusN | RaeNye: i'm here |
| 11:25:15 | JdGordon | he's alliiiiiiiiiiiiive :D |
| 11:25:21 | RaeNye | hi linusn, wassup? |
| 11:25:37 | LinusN | loadza work, but otherwise i'm allright |
| 11:26:09 | RaeNye | This means you won't commit X5 stuff, right? :( |
| 11:27:22 | RaeNye | It's OK, we have two weeks until my DAP returns from the lab :) |
| 11:28:00 | linuxstb | RaeNye: Do you mean that the radio patch increases X5 battery life even if you're not using the radio? |
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| 11:30:39 | LinusN | RaeNye: what was wrong with your x5? |
| 11:32:13 | RaeNye | it died |
| 11:32:26 | RaeNye | linuxstb: yes, since it inits the chip |
| 11:33:03 | RaeNye | See discussion on http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10318 |
| 11:33:37 | RaeNye | (13.5 H on X5 for RB) |
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| 11:35:52 | markun | RaeNye: quite a big difference with the radio and recoding patch |
| 11:35:53 | LinusN | RaeNye: died, how? |
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| 11:36:54 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
| 11:37:01 | markun | yes? |
| 11:37:04 | Jungti1234 | you can get datasheet? |
| 11:37:23 | markun | Don't know. I emailed Samsung but never got a reply |
| 11:37:27 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 11:37:32 | markun | I can try again |
| 11:37:38 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 11:37:56 | Jungti1234 | unnecessary |
| 11:38:01 | RaeNye | suddenly. On saturday evening it didn't respond except for intermittent backlight flicker. Then, after 30 mins of trying to get it on, it resuscitated |
| 11:38:11 | Jungti1234 | They don't answer. |
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| 11:38:53 | RaeNye | the day after, it died while playing a song. Nothing helped, so I sent it to the lab |
| 11:39:14 | petur | Warranty? |
| 11:39:28 | * | petur wonders how iaudio thinks about rb |
| 11:39:34 | RaeNye | there were no experimental features on it, so I'm not sure why it did so |
| 11:39:48 | RaeNye | petur: yes, it's only 3 months old |
| 11:40:03 | * | RaeNye heard they don't really care |
| 11:40:16 | petur | lucky you |
| 11:40:46 | RaeNye | the question is what iaudio thinks about amateur soldering :) |
| 11:41:03 | RaeNye | (previous mishap) |
| 11:49:28 | RaeNye | well, I'll be off for a while. See ya. |
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| 11:52:27 | * | dan_a wonders whether it would be a worthwhile task to try and make Rockbox compile with "-Os" on ARM processors |
| 11:54:47 | markun | Jungti1234: I just wrote them another email. Let's hope for the best. |
| 11:55:56 | markun | When I asked them about the S3C2440 in my Gigabeat they emailed me (an older version of) the user's manual |
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| 12:00:27 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
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| 12:01:47 | DoubleThink2 | Heya |
| 12:02:00 | DoubleThink2 | Could someone help me.... again... please =( ......? |
| 12:02:29 | DoubleThink2 | after repartitioning the iPod.... iTunes doesn't recognise it as an iPod... and the apple instructions don't help |
| 12:03:02 | DoubleThink2 | Can't format using any formatting tool for windows.... updater says "Can't mount iPod" |
| 12:03:54 | DoubleThink2 | (iPod boots up normally)...... anyone? |
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| 12:05:59 | markun | DoubleThink2: did you try emergency disk mode? |
| 12:06:36 | DoubleThink2 | there's an emergency disk mode? |
| 12:06:41 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Recovering_from_a_crash |
| 12:06:43 | DoubleThink2 | ....(as in not the regular disk mode?) |
| 12:07:26 | DoubleThink2 | yeah I used one of those mbrs to repartition the iPod |
| 12:09:50 | markun | DoubleThink2: I was talking about "Whilst the iPod is rebooting, hold SELECT and PLAY together to enter disk mode." |
| 12:10:01 | DoubleThink2 | ah yeah 'course |
| 12:10:23 | DoubleThink2 | just wondering for what reason would iTunes not recognise the iPod even though... it's there.... in disk mode..... and if it's not in disk mode it boots up normally... |
| 12:11:30 | markun | no idea. I had similar problems with my sister's ipod last week. |
| 12:12:42 | DoubleThink2 | I hate iTuned =) |
| 12:12:46 | DoubleThink2 | *iTunes |
| 12:13:49 | markun | Never used it |
| 12:14:23 | DoubleThink2 | yeah I just use rockbox.... but this is for someone else.... I doubt she will be bothered getting used to rockbox |
| 12:15:09 | markun | Does she also hate iTunes? |
| 12:16:06 | DoubleThink2 | I don't know... but she has been using it for ages.... and I will feel bad if I fix it but not perfectly |
| 12:22:03 | DoubleThink2 | Think I will keep trying to format using the HP thing until it works.... |
| 12:22:28 | markun | DoubleThink2: were you able to enter the disk mode? |
| 12:22:34 | DoubleThink2 | yeah 'course |
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| 12:23:06 | DoubleThink2 | heya linuxstb..... can I get some help again? |
| 12:24:32 | DoubleThink2 | hmm damn.... but yeah.... I can get into disk mode and all |
| 12:24:54 | linuxstb_ | Did you restore the firmware partition, and format the FAT32 partition again (after restoring the MBR) ? |
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| 12:25:29 | DoubleThink2 | I did now...but I had the same problem before |
| 12:25:39 | DoubleThink2 | before I formatted the FAT32 partition |
| 12:27:27 | linuxstb_ | My advice is the same as before: 1) Restore the MBR; 2) Unplug and reattach; 3) Restore the firmare partition; 4) Format the FAT32 partiton; 5) Unplug and enjoy your ipod. |
| 12:27:51 | DoubleThink2 | format using what? |
| 12:28:06 | DoubleThink2 | (if I am on windows) |
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| 12:28:20 | linuxstb_ | Why would you be on Windows? (I thought you had Linux installed?) |
| 12:28:31 | linuxstb_ | This kind of this is much easier from Windows. |
| 12:28:36 | DoubleThink2 | I do..... I need this iPod to be recognised by iTunes |
| 12:28:37 | linuxstb_ | s/Windows/Linux/ :) |
| 12:29:18 | linuxstb_ | The first thing is to restore correctly. Then you can try and fix any issues with Windows/itunes (but I can't help you there). |
| 12:29:18 | DoubleThink2 | the iPod works fine with rockbox and all... but using apple OS.... can't upload songs onto it... |
| 12:29:41 | linuxstb_ | So the Apple OS starts OK? |
| 12:29:45 | DoubleThink2 | yeah |
| 12:29:50 | DoubleThink2 | that all works fine |
| 12:30:57 | linuxstb_ | Then there's not much I can suggest - ask Apple Support :) |
| 12:31:29 | DoubleThink2 | hmm.... they don't have an IRC channel though do they? =( |
| 12:32:35 | DoubleThink2 | it will be dodgy and through email and they will tell me to boot into disk mode and use the updater even though I would have written them in the email I tried it..... then they would reply after I clear that up for them and tell them to reinstall iTunes and other pointless stuff I allready tried... then eventually give up and tell me to send them the iPod for them to fix.... |
| 12:32:40 | DoubleThink2 | natural order of things |
| 12:34:13 | linuxstb_ | I don't think many people here have even installed itunes... You could try just uninstalling it and using a different application to transfer music for Apple's OS if you want to use it. |
| 12:35:01 | DoubleThink2 | I wouldn't use apple os if I had rockbox... but this isn't for me... fixing the iPod for a friend |
| 12:35:50 | dan_a | DoubleThink2: Can you see the files on the iPod in Windows Explorer? |
| 12:36:13 | DoubleThink2 | yeah |
| 12:36:49 | S0ap | It boots into AppleFW, but itunes won't copy songs? Or itunes pretends it doesn't even see the ipod? |
| 12:36:56 | dan_a | When I got the can't mount iPod error, the only thing that worked was a system restore from the iPod Updater utility |
| 12:37:39 | DoubleThink2 | the iPod mounts... the iPod Updater utility says "Can't mount iPod".... so I can't use that...... and iTunes pretends it doesn't see the iPod |
| 12:37:41 | dan_a | But that zaps all the music on the drive, so try to back it up first |
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| 12:38:51 | BockBilbo | hello |
| 12:39:00 | DoubleThink2 | nuh dan, my iPod is a bit more messed up than that |
| 12:39:14 | DoubleThink2 | 'morning |
| 12:39:20 | S0ap | DoubleThink2 - I know you said you reinstalled itunes, but when? Wouldn't a failure of the itunes background service (forget the name) to load cause both those problems? |
| 12:39:27 | markun | BockBilbo: hi |
| 12:39:37 | BockBilbo | :) |
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| 12:40:24 | DoubleThink2 | iPod service? yeah.... I reinstalled all the apple software before coming here..... but I think I will try it again because I didn't restart |
| 12:40:27 | BockBilbo | what's the proper way to add album art support to rockbox on a 5 gen ipod? |
| 12:40:42 | dan_a | DoubleThink2: Mine had exactly the same symptoms after the battery died mid-transfer. Try selecting "Restore" from the iPod updater utility |
| 12:40:45 | BockBilbo | is there any precompiled package mantained by someone? |
| 12:40:59 | DoubleThink2 | no dan..... it doesn't work that way... |
| 12:41:19 | DoubleThink2 | iPod updater utility doesn't get that far |
| 12:41:28 | linuxstb_ | BockBilbo: Look for the "ipod experimental build" thread in the forums. That's an unofficial build with various patches, including the album art one. |
| 12:41:28 | markun | dan_a: I had the same problem and the updater also fixed it |
| 12:41:39 | S0ap | DoubleThink2 - because to me it sounds like the ipod works fine, the only problems I see are a failure of Apple software to interface with the ipod, and that sounds like a PC side failure of Apple software. |
| 12:41:40 | BockBilbo | linuxstb, thanks |
| 12:41:43 | BockBilbo | gonna take a look |
| 12:41:57 | S0ap | reboot |
| 12:42:39 | DoubleThink2 | yeah thanks a lot S0ap, linuxstb and markun.... it's probably that I didn't restart.. |
| 12:42:48 | BockBilbo | linuxstb, is this what you are talking about: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4342.0 |
| 12:42:49 | BockBilbo | ? |
| 12:43:08 | safetydan | woo, didn't break the build |
| 12:43:19 | linuxstb_ | BockBilbo: Yes. |
| 12:43:33 | BockBilbo | :) |
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| 12:45:11 | BockBilbo | great! it also has the audioscrobbler plugin!! |
| 12:45:23 | BockBilbo | by the way, how do people send their stats to last.fm? |
| 12:46:40 | JdGordon | there is a perl script u need to use |
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| 12:47:01 | JdGordon | or use http://rockscrob.hostvit.ru/ |
| 12:47:49 | BockBilbo | JdGordon, where can i find the perl script? at the forums? |
| 12:48:05 | JdGordon | ye, umm.. its there somewhere :p |
| 12:48:14 | BockBilbo | hehe |
| 12:48:19 | PaulJam | you can get the script here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 |
| 12:49:39 | Slasheri | hmm, committing another tagcache update soon. Then it should be ready for users to start experimenting with the runtime db |
| 12:50:22 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Did you abandon the idea of checksums? |
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| 12:51:43 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: yes |
| 12:52:00 | Slasheri | i think alternative ways for doing that might be better |
| 12:52:23 | Slasheri | for example if file has been moved, we can compare other tags (artist, title, length) etc. to found a match |
| 12:53:25 | Slasheri | for example length and bitrate should never change |
| 12:53:44 | linuxstb_ | I think it would be nice to use existing metadata where available. For example, in my rips I store the CDDB ID for the CD, and the track number. Also the MD5 checksum for FLAC, which I've mentioned before. |
| 12:54:17 | * | LinusN has installed two new TWiki plugins, DirectedGraphPlugin and BeautifierPlugin, see the results here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUsbHandling |
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| 12:54:58 | linuxstb_ | But then again, it's unlikely I'll ever rename my tracks, so it's not an issue. |
| 12:55:01 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hmm, true. that might be possible in future |
| 12:55:30 | Slasheri | but it shouldn't be a problem to find the correct track if only filename has been changed |
| 12:55:44 | Slasheri | then it would be almost impossible if both tags and filename has been altered |
| 12:56:30 | linuxstb_ | I think the main problem will be tracks which go from being completely untagged to being tagged - as a result of someone cleaning their collection. |
| 12:57:09 | Slasheri | if they have been tagged without changing the filename, it should be possible just to update the db |
| 12:57:20 | Slasheri | (not possible yet but could be in future) |
| 12:57:52 | Slasheri | i have planned adding a file modified timestamp so tagcache could detect if tags has been updated |
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| 12:58:20 | Slasheri | currently it's just possible to export and import an ascii file containing the runtimedb data |
| 12:59:12 | Slasheri | that makes it possible not to lose data when tagcache version changes |
| 12:59:23 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand the point in having a runtimedb |
| 12:59:28 | Slasheri | but user needs to do manually the import/export |
| 12:59:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, how? i already use that to generate smart playlists |
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| 13:00:22 | Slasheri | amiconn: for example i listen to a tracks i have never listened (by runtimedb) for a few hours |
| 13:00:36 | Slasheri | then i go to bus and listen to tracks only which have score > 70% |
| 13:00:54 | linuxstb_ | Does tagcache contain a "date added" field? |
| 13:01:06 | amiconn | Yeah, that's where I don't get the point |
| 13:01:11 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: no any date fields yet |
| 13:01:21 | amiconn | I can decide myself what to listen to |
| 13:01:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: so i don't need to constantly use the skip button if i don't like to |
| 13:01:37 | amiconn | Music I don't like gets deleted (or not added in the first place) |
| 13:01:41 | PaulJam | what if the length and the filemname changes, but the tags stay the same (e.g. if you cut silence at the end of the file and rename it to *.ed.mp3 to indicate that you have edited it). but i think this is a special case that doesn't necessarily have to be considered. |
| 13:01:55 | Slasheri | without runtimedb it would be necessary to skip tracks a lot |
| 13:02:10 | * | amiconn practically never skips |
| 13:02:15 | BockBilbo | thanks a lot PaulJam |
| 13:03:04 | Slasheri | hehe, sometimes it could take a lot of time to skip between tracks until you found something you would like to listen to |
| 13:03:15 | Slasheri | and after that track finishes, you have to skip more again.. |
| 13:04:02 | BockBilbo | is the album art patch supported on ipod videos? |
| 13:04:08 | BockBilbo | *video ipods |
| 13:04:30 | linuxstb_ | It works on the video ipods, yes. |
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| 13:05:55 | BockBilbo | mmm sucks that on the experimental build doesnt |
| 13:06:11 | BockBilbo | i guess im going to have to compile rockbox by my own |
| 13:06:38 | DoubleThink2 | ok... I give up fixing my iPod.... 'night people |
| 13:06:49 | BockBilbo | gnite DoubleThink2 |
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| 13:07:23 | linuxstb_ | BockBilbo: What makes you think it doesn't work? |
| 13:07:34 | BockBilbo | http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/patches.htm |
| 13:07:41 | BockBilbo | this line: # Album Art Colour Only |
| 13:07:46 | BockBilbo | ... |
| 13:08:15 | linuxstb_ | I assume that refers to it working only on ipods with colour LCDs. |
| 13:08:24 | linuxstb_ | i.e. the Color/Photo, Nano, 5g |
| 13:08:51 | Bg3r | LinusN (regarding the twiki plugins) very good result, but what about the "diff" theme ? |
| 13:09:01 | BockBilbo | mmm |
| 13:09:08 | LinusN | Bg3r: working on it |
| 13:09:18 | BockBilbo | but then it also says that some other features work just for 5g |
| 13:09:37 | BockBilbo | but well, i could try |
| 13:09:55 | BockBilbo | though i first have to wait till apple sends me a new ipod |
| 13:10:38 | * | linuxstb_ goes for lunch |
| 13:10:41 | * | linuxstb_ is away: I'm busy |
| 13:12:12 | * | amiconn wonders about the way Slasheri is choosing music |
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| 13:13:53 | Slasheri | amiconn: i usually like shuffle all music i like on my player :) |
| 13:14:15 | Slasheri | but the problem is, there is also many tracks i don't like |
| 13:14:37 | crwl | there must be unpredictable amounts of usage patterns which people use, or would use if their player supported them |
| 13:15:08 | crwl | these smart playlist things are pretty popular on non-portable music players already |
| 13:15:12 | BockBilbo | Slasheri, i have the same problem on amarok |
| 13:15:31 | BockBilbo | that's why i make a selection of the music for my ipod |
| 13:15:59 | * | amiconn wonders why people don't simply delete music they don't like |
| 13:16:21 | * | BockBilbo has music of his parents too, so he has to keep them |
| 13:16:25 | * | LinusN wonders why amiconn always speaks in third person |
| 13:16:37 | BockBilbo | hehe |
| 13:18:02 | PaulJam | for me it depends on my mood if i currently want to listen to a song or not, so sometimes i skip a lot when i listen in shuffle mode. |
| 13:18:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: that would make it hard to keep player in sync with pc and then it would contain incomplete albums |
| 13:18:19 | amiconn | ?? |
| 13:18:33 | amiconn | Hmm. Seems like I have completely different listening habits |
| 13:19:04 | BockBilbo | PaulJam, thats right, it always depends on the mood, it sucks to hear happy music when someone is sad |
| 13:19:31 | kerb | I have a 60gb 5g so I carry a lot of party music that I don't like but people are usually quite happy that I have when I bring it |
| 13:19:36 | crwl | I'm often in a mood where I skip a lot of (especially slower) songs in an album, but I'd hate to not have those with me because I'm not always in such a mood |
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| 13:19:59 | crwl | though I don't know whow smart playlists would help that |
| 13:20:11 | crwl | I could perhaps have a BPM tag or something, heh |
| 13:20:24 | BockBilbo | amiconn, the reason why i have 60gig ipod is because i like carrying all my music on my pocket and it is obvious that im not going to like all the songs from each album i have |
| 13:20:54 | BockBilbo | crwl, that would be hallerious hehe |
| 13:22:03 | BockBilbo | by the way, what music player do you guys use? |
| 13:23:08 | amiconn | I mostly listen to albums, and usually I like all songs from albums I keep. For the very very exceptions I have pre-made playlists that exclude 'bad' songs |
| 13:23:34 | amiconn | s/very very/very few/ |
| 13:24:13 | BockBilbo | i do listen to full albums too, though i depending on the day I rather shuffle all the tracks i have |
| 13:24:19 | amiconn | When I'm not listening to albums, I make a shuffled playlist of a 'various' folder under a certain style |
| 13:24:40 | BockBilbo | amiconn, how do you organize your music? |
| 13:24:42 | amiconn | I never shuffle all tracks on the player |
| 13:25:40 | BockBilbo | like, lets say, i have a folder called music and inside of it different directories for the artists/bands which have the album directories on them |
| 13:25:44 | amiconn | style ("genre") -> artist -> album |
| 13:26:02 | BockBilbo | mm interesting |
| 13:26:02 | Zagor | has anyone worked with GraphViz before? |
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| 13:26:29 | Zagor | I'd like to set the default background for the graphs in twiki |
| 13:26:33 | BockBilbo | my problem is that i havent tag my music files genre |
| 13:26:46 | amiconn | The 'style' classification is rather coarse (ca. 10 folders) |
| 13:27:03 | BockBilbo | its so hard for me to define which genre is one artist related to |
| 13:27:28 | amiconn | I also have very few tracks with genre tags |
| 13:27:29 | Zagor | BockBilbo: isn't your music directory awfully large, then? |
| 13:27:45 | BockBilbo | zagor.... about 500-600 artist directories |
| 13:27:58 | BockBilbo | 8-) |
| 13:28:16 | BockBilbo | mmm my bad |
| 13:28:22 | Zagor | I split into broad meta-categories, like Classic, Rock, Electronica, Soundtrack etc. |
| 13:28:25 | BockBilbo | 449 artis directories currently |
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| 13:28:40 | Zagor | Granted, the "Pop" directory is huge but at least it's not got spoken word in it |
| 13:28:41 | amiconn | Then I have a "various artists" artist entry and "various tracks" album entry in most folders |
| 13:29:17 | amiconn | Stuff that doesn't belong to an album (singles and single tracks from albums I don't keep as a whole) go into "various tracks" |
| 13:29:26 | BockBilbo | amiconn, i wouldnt be able to have my music that way hehe |
| 13:29:34 | Zagor | BockBilbo: why not? |
| 13:30:01 | BockBilbo | i guess i like to have all groups gathered together |
| 13:30:20 | BockBilbo | i also have other song folders, as amiconn has |
| 13:31:09 | BockBilbo | but for b-sides, i usually have a folder called "singles" on which i create diferent folders for each Single CD name |
| 13:31:17 | BockBilbo | on which i put the b-side songs |
| 13:31:39 | PaulJam | if i would organize my music by genre, i guess i would propably have a problen to find a specific band/song afterwards. |
| 13:31:49 | BockBilbo | right |
| 13:32:01 | BockBilbo | appart from that, there are lot of bands that dont belong to a single genre |
| 13:32:01 | amiconn | Zagor: So your categories are like my "style" classification then |
| 13:32:25 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah. I think most us old archos-heads do it this way. |
| 13:32:26 | BockBilbo | amiconn, i guess they are |
| 13:32:27 | amiconn | Btw, I have the various style directories in the root. No separate 'music' directory |
| 13:32:35 | Zagor | same here |
| 13:32:55 | amiconn | For data carrying purposes, I have a .data directory |
| 13:33:10 | amiconn | This way it's hidden during normal use |
| 13:33:29 | BockBilbo | amiconn, i rather have a music diectory.... dont ask me why |
| 13:33:33 | BockBilbo | 8-) |
| 13:34:01 | BockBilbo | whan i used rockbox on my iriver ihp140 i also had a games folder |
| 13:34:15 | BockBilbo | on which i had diferent .gb and .gbc files for rockboy |
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| 13:34:38 | Febs | I'm building sims for the various platforms. The sims work, but they show only the display, with the picture of the jukebox. |
| 13:34:42 | BockBilbo | i could also have a notes directory to put notes that i would read later on |
| 13:34:51 | Febs | with/without |
| 13:35:22 | BockBilbo | hello Febs |
| 13:35:48 | BockBilbo | Zagor, amiconn PaulJam do you guys use GNU/Linux, XBSD, Win or mac? |
| 13:35:57 | Zagor | linux here |
| 13:36:01 | Febs | So I can't tell what the buttons are (which is the reason I'm building the sims in the first place). |
| 13:36:21 | PaulJam | Febs: to have the picture, start the sim with −−background |
| 13:36:21 | BockBilbo | Zagor, which distro? |
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| 13:36:53 | Febs | PaulJam: Thanks, that's what I needed to know. |
| 13:36:55 | Zagor | BockBilbo: debian |
| 13:37:06 | BockBilbo | have you tried the ipodlinux installer on it? |
| 13:37:14 | Zagor | no |
| 13:37:17 | PaulJam | BockBilbo: sometimed ubuntu and sometimes WinXP |
| 13:37:27 | BockBilbo | PaulJam, i use to work that way to |
| 13:37:38 | BockBilbo | i finally migrated to ubuntu this past year |
| 13:37:39 | BockBilbo | :) |
| 13:38:32 | BockBilbo | one of the things i hate about the apple firmware for ipods is the way they obfuscate the file names |
| 13:38:35 | BockBilbo | that sucks |
| 13:39:05 | Zagor | BockBilbo: if they didn't, you would be tempted to not use iTunes... :-) |
| 13:39:20 | BockBilbo | that's true |
| 13:39:36 | BockBilbo | that's one of the reasons I don't like propietary software |
| 13:40:09 | amiconn | BockBilbo: Mainly windows, linux for some things (but not for copying music from/to rockboxes |
| 13:40:11 | amiconn | ) |
| 13:40:23 | BockBilbo | amiconn, why not? |
| 13:40:49 | BockBilbo | i rather use linux than win for copying music from / to rockboxes |
| 13:41:15 | amiconn | Better (/better functioning) tools for windows than for linux |
| 13:41:35 | BockBilbo | i dont agree with you on that |
| 13:41:46 | amiconn | With tools I mainly mean ripping (eac + lame) and tagging (The GodFather) |
| 13:41:55 | BockBilbo | man |
| 13:41:58 | BockBilbo | try out easytag |
| 13:42:05 | Slasheri | i use kaudiocreator for ripping and easytag for tagging |
| 13:42:09 | BockBilbo | sound converter |
| 13:42:09 | Slasheri | both are great tools |
| 13:42:15 | amiconn | Other than that, I just need a file browser for copying |
| 13:42:19 | BockBilbo | and sound juicer |
| 13:42:29 | BockBilbo | nautilus |
| 13:42:37 | BockBilbo | appart from that |
| 13:42:38 | amiconn | I had a look at soundjuicer. Ugly thing |
| 13:42:47 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: or simply mc ;) |
| 13:42:49 | amiconn | Grip is ok, but I'm used to eac |
| 13:42:50 | BockBilbo | but it works though |
| 13:43:04 | _FireFly_ | i use abcde for ripping and encoding |
| 13:43:07 | PaulJam | for ripping and tagging and such stuff i prefer windows too. |
| 13:43:12 | BockBilbo | appart from that scp to copy files from remote servers using ssh |
| 13:43:22 | BockBilbo | PaulJam, why's that? |
| 13:43:29 | amiconn | I don't keep my main music collection on any pc |
| 13:43:37 | crwl | i use kaudiocreator and amarok |
| 13:43:39 | BockBilbo | amiconn, mine is on my own server |
| 13:43:56 | BockBilbo | so is reachable by any computer at my home |
| 13:43:57 | amiconn | I rip CDs, then move the files over to players, then delete from PC |
| 13:44:01 | PaulJam | there is no replacement for eac under linux, and i haven't found a replacement for mp3tag. |
| 13:44:15 | _FireFly_ | PaulJam: try easytag |
| 13:44:18 | BockBilbo | PaulJam, what does mp3tag do? |
| 13:44:26 | BockBilbo | i bet easytag will replace it better |
| 13:44:27 | BockBilbo | perhaps |
| 13:44:32 | BockBilbo | you have a win version to try it out |
| 13:44:33 | amiconn | PaulJam: Have a look at grip. It's ok, and uses cdparanoia for ripping |
| 13:44:34 | Zagor | what does eac do that is not available in linux? |
| 13:44:36 | Slasheri | easytag is _very_ powerful |
| 13:44:39 | Nibbler | for mp3tagging i use mp3cddb (uses freedb and rocks) |
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| 13:44:47 | BockBilbo | it is |
| 13:45:00 | BockBilbo | Nibbler, thats for win or linux? |
| 13:45:08 | Nibbler | linux/cli |
| 13:45:09 | amiconn | I never uses cddb/freedb for automatic tagging |
| 13:45:18 | BockBilbo | Nibbler, i never heard about thosprograms |
| 13:45:22 | amiconn | Too many typos in tags, on always different style |
| 13:45:23 | BockBilbo | i guess i should try them |
| 13:45:26 | PaulJam | i haven't found out how i can show all tags of the files at once in columns, in easytag i can only see the tags of the selected file. |
| 13:45:27 | amiconn | s/on/and/ |
| 13:45:42 | Febs | How does one enter the file browser on the Ondio? |
| 13:45:49 | Nibbler | BockBilbo, with mp3cddb you just run it in like 3 instances, as db-lookups take some time and you can tag like hell :D |
| 13:45:50 | amiconn | Sometimes all caps, sometimes all lowercase, sometimes proper case... |
| 13:45:52 | BockBilbo | amiconn, i use the cddb/freedb info and then check it to fit my needs |
| 13:46:14 | Slasheri | on linux, if everything goes well, there is just need to insert disc into cd driver and wait it coming out. No need for user to do anything in between |
| 13:46:14 | Nibbler | its half-automatic only, you have to check which version he should use to avoid what amicann talks about |
| 13:46:22 | Slasheri | -r |
| 13:46:36 | BockBilbo | Nibbler, i see |
| 13:46:57 | BockBilbo | but then you could use easytag to set a common capital letter rule |
| 13:47:34 | PaulJam | amiconn: is there a ripping program for linux that supports the AccurateRip database? |
| 13:47:34 | Nibbler | BockBilbo, mp3cddb also rename/moves files |
| 13:48:07 | Nibbler | so you get an album of mp3 and it moves it perfectly into your collection :] |
| 13:48:08 | * | amiconn needs to look up what AccurateRip is |
| 13:48:11 | BockBilbo | im gonna copy all of this to a tomboy note |
| 13:48:35 | petur | tomboy? |
| 13:49:16 | BockBilbo | petur, tomboy is a mono program mostly for gnome to keep track of little notes on the system tray |
| 13:49:19 | Nibbler | Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Linux and Unix. It is simple and easy to use, but has the potential to help you organize the ideas and information you deal with every day. |
| 13:49:33 | BockBilbo | Nibbler, description is better |
| 13:49:34 | BockBilbo | ;) |
| 13:49:44 | Nibbler | ...had freshmeat still up as i was looking up easytag :D |
| 13:49:45 | BockBilbo | i mean Nibbler's |
| 13:49:50 | BockBilbo | haha |
| 13:50:04 | PaulJam | amiconn: it is some kind of database of checksums of ripped tracks, so if someone else has the same checksum you can be sure that your rip was accurate. |
| 13:51:01 | BockBilbo | mmm |
| 13:51:50 | BockBilbo | any of you know if its finally possible to watch videos on a 5 gen ipod using an opensource os? Rockbox or IPL basically... |
| 13:53:06 | markun | BockBilbo: probably with ipl |
| 13:53:34 | BockBilbo | markun, ive read that it doesnt work for "video ipods" |
| 13:53:37 | * | linuxstb_ is back (gone 00:42:56) |
| 13:53:41 | BockBilbo | hey linuxstb |
| 13:54:15 | BockBilbo | though, im hopefully wrong |
| 13:54:15 | BockBilbo | ;) |
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| 13:55:39 | JdGordon | LinusN: you around? |
| 13:55:57 | BockBilbo | would you guys add any other patches appart from the ones showed here (http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/patches.htm) to a rockbox build? If some cool patches are missing i might compile it by my own |
| 13:56:17 | amiconn | PaulJam: If I use the secure ruipping routines of EAC, I think I can be sure the rip was accurate even without a database |
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| 13:58:09 | PaulJam | amiconn: but it "feels" better to have it confirmed by a database :) |
| 13:58:27 | JdGordon | hmm.. guess not... |
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| 13:59:29 | JdGordon | anywho, im bored and got a bit of time on my hands, can anyone let me know what needs to be done to the dirwalker patch so it can be commited? i know im being annoying, but i dont like working on more than 1 tihng at a time in the codde :p |
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| 14:00:21 | PaulJam | BockBilbo: here is a nice patch that is not included in the ipod experimental build: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 |
| 14:00:30 | markun | BockBilbo: why do you think those patches will be added? |
| 14:00:38 | JdGordon | also, if anyone wants to comment on the thread about the button loop replacement thingy in the mailing list it would be appreciated |
| 14:00:53 | BockBilbo | markun, added where? |
| 14:01:12 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: If you don't use cddb or freedb, how do you tag/name your tracks? |
| 14:01:51 | markun | BockBilbo: never mind, I probably misinterpreted your question |
| 14:01:58 | BockBilbo | i just dont find it usefull to compile a personalized rockbox if there is no other interesting patches appart from the ones of that experimental build |
| 14:02:06 | BockBilbo | markun, ;) |
| 14:02:49 | BockBilbo | markun, sorry ... i guess sometimes i might have problems explaining myself in english |
| 14:02:57 | BockBilbo | im a native basque and spanish spoker |
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| 14:03:33 | markun | many non-native speakers here (including myself) |
| 14:04:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: By hand. |
| 14:04:17 | markun | BockBilbo: If you are borred you could write a basque (euskara?) translation for rockbox :) |
| 14:04:25 | BockBilbo | haha |
| 14:04:38 | BockBilbo | markun, your right, euskara or euskera |
| 14:04:40 | BockBilbo | :) |
| 14:04:52 | BockBilbo | well, i rather program than translate |
| 14:04:59 | markun | me too :) |
| 14:05:38 | BockBilbo | i have translated some apps before and i really get so pissed of when having to traslate like 10000 lines |
| 14:05:39 | BockBilbo | lol |
| 14:05:40 | BockBilbo | though |
| 14:05:57 | BockBilbo | how many lines have to be traslated into rockbox? |
| 14:06:06 | BockBilbo | i might take a look on it |
| 14:06:21 | JdGordon | about 10000 :D |
| 14:07:00 | Febs | On the Ondio, when music is playing, what should a long press of the Mode button do? |
| 14:07:10 | amiconn | Febs: Bring up the context menu |
| 14:07:28 | Febs | OK. Is there a way to bring up the Main Menu on the Ondio while music is playing? |
| 14:07:28 | BockBilbo | ... |
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| 14:07:39 | BockBilbo | anyway, any link to the po file? |
| 14:07:49 | amiconn | Febs: Yes. From the context menu, a _short_ press of Mode will show the main menu |
| 14:08:00 | pixelma | Febs: it's already in the manual ;) |
| 14:08:38 | S0ap | <Zagor> what does eac do that is not available in linux?. EAC not only rips in secure mode, disables caching, allows you to set the read and write offsets of a particular drive, it also produces excellent logs of all the results. |
| 14:08:42 | Febs | Ha ha! Actually, I'm testing patch 5294 on other platforms and I just want to make sure it's not causing any unintended behavior. |
| 14:09:06 | amiconn | S0ap: grip can do all that |
| 14:09:42 | markun | BockBilbo: look in apps/lang |
| 14:09:47 | amiconn | (and unlike sound juicer, you can actually control what it does) |
| 14:09:55 | markun | There are 'only' 617 lines to translate |
| 14:10:03 | BockBilbo | o |
| 14:10:07 | BockBilbo | not that bat |
| 14:10:08 | BockBilbo | *bad |
| 14:10:42 | S0ap | amiconn - hmm, need to look into that, then. |
| 14:11:16 | markun | BockBilbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles |
| 14:11:22 | linuxstb_ | I didn't think there was a ripper that disabled caching available for Linux... |
| 14:12:44 | S0ap | To be honest, I _assumed_ EAC's stack of features was unique, or else Übernet would allopw grip. |
| 14:12:51 | S0ap | *allow |
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| 14:19:29 | * | S0ap kills chat again. |
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| 14:34:48 | Zagor | I wonder if the wiki would be easier to use if we split up user and developer information in two different webs |
| 14:35:21 | Zagor | ...or if we'd just end up crosslinking everything anyway |
| 14:35:29 | linuxstb_ | Is there much user information left now we have an up-to date manual and a separate themes site? |
| 14:35:43 | linuxstb_ | (and hopefully an online html manual soon) |
| 14:38:16 | Hadaka | I think 1.0 should be halfway between the point where the where the sales people are already selling it as the final version and the point where the developers think it is solid |
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| 14:41:46 | BockBilbo | is there any patch to switch of the device before the battery goes totally off? |
| 14:42:36 | * | petur thinks gl put one in the tracker |
| 14:42:41 | Zagor | BockBilbo: you mean idle shutdown or while playing? |
| 14:42:49 | BockBilbo | both |
| 14:43:02 | Zagor | we've had idle shutdown for years |
| 14:43:39 | BockBilbo | i remember that when using rockbox on my old iriver, everytime the battery was about to run out, the player was switched off eventually, without a proper procedure |
| 14:44:42 | petur | errr... gl posted a bugreport, Jvo posted a patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001 ) |
| 14:45:54 | Zagor | BockBilbo: the price of controlled low-battery shutdown is decreased run time |
| 14:45:54 | BockBilbo | petur thanks |
| 14:46:13 | BockBilbo | Zagor i know |
| 14:46:26 | BockBilbo | petur, that patch talks about iriver |
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| 14:46:45 | BockBilbo | do you guys know if this problem also happens on the ipods? |
| 14:46:46 | S0ap | decreased run time as in it sucks juice to implement? Or decreased runtime in that it shuts off the device earlier than it otherwise would? |
| 14:48:06 | BockBilbo | by the way, ive found a death link on the wiki |
| 14:48:07 | BockBilbo | though that's for |
| 14:48:09 | BockBilbo | not that |
| 14:48:14 | BockBilbo | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/gelang |
| 14:48:23 | BockBilbo | located at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles |
| 14:48:54 | lou | a death link? |
| 14:48:58 | lou | who killed it? |
| 14:49:40 | BockBilbo | hehe.. dont make fun of me... "un enlace muerto" |
| 14:50:20 | BockBilbo | it should be http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/tools/genlang |
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| 14:51:17 | petur | BockBilbo: fixed |
| 14:51:35 | petur | it is a wiki, you can edit it too ;) |
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| 14:52:44 | BockBilbo | :) |
| 14:53:24 | Zagor | S0ap: the latter - it shuts down earlier |
| 14:55:23 | linuxstb_ | BockBilbo: Yes, Rockbox doesn't shut down on low battery on the ipods either. But the hardware will shut itself down before the battery is 100% empty. |
| 14:55:36 | A_M | Anyone here familiar with the tagcache/tagtree code? I'm trying to make sense of it. What's the difference between search clauses and search filters? |
| 14:56:02 | S0ap | I /assumed/ that, linuxstb - many deviced with LiIon batts do that. |
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| 14:56:34 | S0ap | so the only problem in that situation is a failure to save state? |
| 14:56:53 | BockBilbo | linuxstb_, so i gues that it wont act as on the irivers, when everytime the battery runs out it feels like when you unpluge a computer that is on |
| 14:57:27 | bluebrother | again problems with the wiki? |
| 14:57:45 | bluebrother | I get Template "oopsblacklist" not found. when trying to access it. |
| 14:58:19 | Zagor | bluebrother: trying to access what? |
| 14:58:22 | linuxstb_ | BockBilbo: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 14:58:45 | Zagor | bluebrother: hmm, you could be blacklisted... :-) |
| 14:58:54 | petur | Zagor: wiki main page |
| 14:58:57 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox doesn't do a clean shutdown in that situation, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 14:59:05 | petur | I get the page too |
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| 14:59:16 | bluebrother | Zagor: tried the wiki main page |
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| 14:59:48 | pixelma | Zagor: the same here |
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| 15:00:01 | petur | only the main page, the others work |
| 15:00:22 | Zagor | haha, me too now. weirdo |
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| 15:01:09 | Moos | Hi here ! |
| 15:02:44 | Moos | LinusN/Bagder: any luck to have recording and radio patch for iaudios in CVS please? |
| 15:03:04 | linuxstb_ | Moos: Bagder's on vacation... |
| 15:03:16 | Moos | oops, ok |
| 15:03:24 | Moos | lucky him |
| 15:03:33 | Moos | I'll go Saturday ;) |
| 15:04:14 | bluebrother | lucky you ;-) |
| 15:04:37 | Moos | LinusN: I remenber you asked RaeNye to check his patches for see if all good for all platforms, and it seems it is now |
| 15:04:40 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 15:04:42 | Moos | thx |
| 15:05:35 | bluebrother | Zagor: I'm mostly finished with preparations to generate a html version of the manual, but I'm unsure how I should integrate it into the building. |
| 15:05:43 | BockBilbo | sorry linuxstb_ i was away |
| 15:06:39 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Have you managed to get anywhere with modifying the makefiles? |
| 15:07:02 | amiconn | Zagor: You're right about the decreased runtime, but it seems the price of controlled shutdown is much lower on LiIon/LiPo than it was on NiMH |
| 15:07:04 | bluebrother | yes, I modified manual/Makefile and manual/Makefile.pdflatex |
| 15:07:15 | amiconn | LiIon has a much more predictable discharge curve |
| 15:07:24 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:07:28 | bluebrother | the problem is that there is no target I could use in the generated Makefile. |
| 15:07:31 | S0ap | there are DAPs out there with LiPo? |
| 15:07:46 | BockBilbo | i meant that when I used rockbox on my old iriver ihp140, when the device was about to run out of batteries it felt just the same as when you disconnect a running computer from the power source of your wall. |
| 15:08:01 | amiconn | I think if we do a shutdown at 3.5V, this should be safe and only cost about 15..20 minutes of runtime |
| 15:08:01 | bluebrother | I could use the way it already is used for the manual, thus always building both manuals |
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| 15:08:09 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Can't you just add a new one - e.g. "html:" which is run by typing "make html" |
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| 15:08:55 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: this would require changing the generated Makefile (i.e. the generation of that file) which I'm not capable of. |
| 15:09:05 | A_M | huh? anyone else unable to access wiki due to "Your IP address is blacklisted"? |
| 15:09:14 | LinusN | try again |
| 15:09:27 | bluebrother | I added a new target to the Makefile that gets put into the manual/ subfolder of your build dir when you build the manual. |
| 15:09:37 | A_M | wee! working... |
| 15:10:01 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: You mean you don't know how that Makefile is automatically generated? |
| 15:10:10 | bluebrother | LinusN: wiki frontpage comes up again for me :) |
| 15:10:38 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: the makefile is generated from tools/configure, but afaik I can't change anything there. |
| 15:10:55 | linuxstb_ | You should be able to - just modify the configure script like any other file.. |
| 15:11:55 | pixelma | LinusN: now wiki is working - except the CustomWPS page (what I can try out of my bookmarks) |
| 15:12:35 | LinusN | pixelma: what about it? |
| 15:13:03 | pixelma | I still get the black listed notificatin - but other pages work |
| 15:13:19 | _FireFly_ | do you realy use the autotools (automake autoconf and co) ? or do you have a self-written configure-script |
| 15:13:24 | LinusN | pixelma: and now? |
| 15:13:28 | bluebrother | need to leave for some time. Be back in a couple of minutes. |
| 15:13:48 | pixelma | LinusN: no change |
| 15:14:45 | LinusN | pixelma: weird, the blacklist is empty |
| 15:15:35 | Moos | here the same blacklist error |
| 15:15:48 | pixelma | now it's working again :) |
| 15:16:03 | _FireFly_ | maybe a browser caching problem ;) |
| 15:16:47 | Zagor | _FireFly_: actually it was a caching error, but in twiki |
| 15:16:49 | Moos | yeah here to wiki works again here too |
| 15:17:37 | Slasheri | A_M: search clauses can filter results by some expressions, such as genre = "something" and score > 70. Search filters allow only filtering based on some tag seek value, for example searching all albums where artist seek value is something |
| 15:18:57 | Moos | Slasheri: while you are around, a question please |
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| 15:19:14 | Slasheri | Moos: sure, but i need to go soon (in 5 min.) :) |
| 15:19:15 | A_M | and what exactly are tag seek values? |
| 15:19:31 | Slasheri | A_M: they are returned by tagcache when doing earlier searches |
| 15:19:54 | Slasheri | A_M: for example searching all artists, and then selecting seek value from one artist to search all albums by that artist |
| 15:20:17 | A_M | ah, ok! thanks a lot! |
| 15:20:30 | Slasheri | that is faster filtering method than implementing it as search clauses |
| 15:20:31 | Slasheri | np :) |
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| 15:21:12 | Moos | what is the difference btw update now and initilize now in Tagcache |
| 15:21:48 | Moos | and why the update now string isn't translatable? |
| 15:22:10 | Slasheri | Moos: update adds new files and removes entries for deleted files |
| 15:22:28 | Slasheri | initialize removes the whole db (including runtimedb data) and recreates it |
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| 15:22:41 | Moos | oh ok, thanx |
| 15:22:45 | Slasheri | :) |
| 15:23:12 | Moos | and do you know why the "update now" string isn't language depending? |
| 15:23:35 | Slasheri | hmm, it should work if added to the correct lang file |
| 15:23:38 | Slasheri | but back soon -> |
| 15:24:03 | Moos | ok, have fun and c you |
| 15:25:11 | Moos | Zagor: how can I add my name to the twiki users please?, it seems I'm not |
| 15:27:01 | lowlight | Hmmm...safetydan's replaygain commit disallows replaygain tags in TXXX fields for id3v2.4. |
| 15:27:25 | lowlight | I think that's foobar2000's default way of tagging replaygain. |
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| 15:27:36 | lowlight | Can someone with foobar2000 check? |
| 15:33:00 | S0ap | I use 0.8.3 w/o v2.4 tags. None of my hardware players support them properly. (DVD player, car stereo, etc) |
| 15:35:35 | PaulJam | is it a bug, that in the textviewer it isn't possible anymore to scroll left/right in small steps by holding play+left/right ? or was that feature removed for some reason? |
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| 15:40:00 | Moos | bye all ! |
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| 15:44:59 | A_M | Slasheri: back yet? if not please give me a shout if you read this when you do get back |
| 15:49:57 | bluebrother | Zagor: is there a preferred way the html manual should be outputted (for making it available on the website)? |
| 15:50:33 | lowlight | Looks like foobar > 0.9 uses id3v2.4 and puts replaygain in TXXX fields. |
| 15:50:41 | Zagor | bluebrother: what are my options? :) |
| 15:51:14 | lowlight | I suspect safetydan's commit will disable replaygain for some users. |
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| 15:51:44 | bluebrother | at the moment I want to output it to a subfolder of the build folder and all manuals are named identical (rockbox-build.html) |
| 15:51:59 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Most html manuals I've seen online come in two versions - a version as a single long page, and a version split into smaller pages. |
| 15:52:14 | linuxstb_ | So you're just creating a single file at the moment? |
| 15:52:18 | bluebrother | I guess it would be better to have them more distinguishing names (like manual-h300.html) |
| 15:52:38 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: no, but all files start with that prefix |
| 15:52:49 | bluebrother | so that's the name of the start file. |
| 15:53:25 | bluebrother | as the manuals share the screenshot I thought it would be good to have them named after the player (like the mentioned manual-h300.html) |
| 15:53:50 | linuxstb_ | So you're planning to put all the html manuals in a single folder, sharing images? |
| 15:53:53 | bluebrother | otoh we could just leave it like it is and put them in a subfolder. |
| 15:54:24 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: that was my idea. htlatex uses the subfolder structure that the source has for images, so I thought to keep that. |
| 15:54:56 | bluebrother | also, building the manual as one single page gets as big as about 500kiB+ |
| 15:55:04 | Zagor | bluebrother: how many html files are each manual? |
| 15:55:18 | bluebrother | so I'd prefer splitting them by chapter. |
| 15:55:49 | bluebrother | Zagor: as much as there are chapters (including appendix sections). Can't check it atm as I'm not at my devel environment. |
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| 15:56:09 | bluebrother | something around 10 IIRC. |
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| 15:56:34 | Zagor | then I have no problems keeping the all in one dir |
| 15:57:03 | Zagor | do you have them somewhere I can look? |
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| 15:57:54 | bluebrother | I'll try to finish the Makefile work tonight. I have a preliminary manual page set up (but that's still 1 file / manual) |
| 15:58:26 | bluebrother | if you want to have a look on that go here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/html/ |
| 15:58:48 | bluebrother | but I can update that for you later today. |
| 15:59:18 | linuxstb_ | Wouldn't it be easier to just have a sub-folder for each manual? That way, they are all self-contained, and you wouldn't need to prefix the html files with a unique prefix. |
| 15:59:46 | Zagor | bluebrother: can you make a summary of all the css classes used? we may want to jazz up the looks a bit |
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| 16:00:17 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: that was the reason I was asking, but would introduce a lot of the screenshots being redundant. |
| 16:00:21 | Zagor | subdir or prefix both work for me |
| 16:00:39 | bluebrother | ok, then I'll leave the subdir for now. |
| 16:00:58 | bluebrother | Zagor: the classes are auto-generated. Haven't looked into them |
| 16:01:21 | bluebrother | but afaics we could overwrite most of them with their global tags. |
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| 16:02:06 | bluebrother | and simply import that stylesheet. Or mod_rewrite the old stylesheet to a new one which includes the old one ;-) |
| 16:02:41 | bluebrother | also, htlatex allows adjusting the css. Another thing I haven't looked in for now. |
| 16:02:42 | Zagor | ugh :) |
| 16:03:23 | bluebrother | If you're not in a hurry for this I can try adjusting the style to the style of rockbox.org, but I won't have much time in the next weeks. |
| 16:04:01 | bluebrother | back to the makefile: atm you can build the html by calling make -C manual html from the builddir. |
| 16:04:01 | Zagor | let's do it itertively. we'll get it out there first, then prettify it |
| 16:05:00 | bluebrother | that was my intention too. I guess mostly blind people are waiting for the html manual ;-) |
| 16:05:37 | Zagor | it's not a bad thing to get it googled, though. can help (the few) people who search before asking. |
| 16:06:04 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 16:06:33 | bluebrother | to build you need tex4ht installed if you haven't already: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn.html |
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| 16:11:25 | bluebrother | ok, I'll be back later. I hope to finish the manual stuff today. Unfortunately RL occupies me pretty heavily. cu |
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| 16:11:57 | RaeNye | Aloha |
| 16:12:16 | petur | oh no, that hawaian again ;) |
| 16:14:37 | * | RaeNye hands petur an oversized floral necklace |
| 16:15:06 | * | petur thinks it fits the current heat perfectly |
| 16:15:48 | RaeNye | brb |
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| 16:33:14 | JdGordon | if anyone is looking for a good way to spend an evening with drinks and mates, hire the wondershowzen dvds and watch them |
| 16:33:18 | JdGordon | farking hilarious |
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| 16:41:16 | Zagor | ...but I'll be watching! ;-) |
| 16:41:18 | * | petur tomorrow morning :) |
| 16:41:29 | Zagor | bye all |
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| 16:41:32 | petur | bye |
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| 16:55:52 | dan_a | Has anyone experimented with using different compiler optimisations for Rockbox? |
| 16:56:05 | * | petur points to amiconn |
| 16:57:43 | dan_a | I've done builds which I'll test in the next couple of days using -Os, -O2 and -O3 |
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| 16:59:13 | linuxstb_ | I think the codecs define their own -O options in apps/codecs/[libname]/Makefile - did you change it there as well the main Makefile? |
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| 17:02:05 | dan_a | No, I didn't... I assumed that anything which overrode the default did it for a reason |
| 17:05:55 | dan_a | I'm going to end up with so many builds of Rockbox to test - I've got 4 already! |
| 17:06:18 | amiconn | -O2 is slower for arm, as is -O3 |
| 17:06:32 | amiconn | (iirc) |
| 17:06:41 | amiconn | -O3 might not work at all |
| 17:07:25 | amiconn | Someone should try to get thumb code to work |
| 17:07:30 | linuxstb_ | Maybe libmad shouldn't be using -O2 then... |
| 17:08:14 | amiconn | Certainly worth a try |
| 17:08:15 | dan_a | What's the advantages of thumb code? |
| 17:08:23 | amiconn | I only experimented with the core |
| 17:09:12 | amiconn | dan_a: standard arm instructions are 32bits, thumb instructions are 16bits. Less data to load, especially useful with a 16bit memory interface |
| 17:09:18 | amiconn | (which the ipod uses afaik) |
| 17:09:59 | dan_a | That sounds worth experimenting with |
| 17:10:12 | amiconn | Of course there is a tradeoff, otherwise one would always use thumb code: the instructions are more limited (i.e. addressing modes missing and such) |
| 17:10:26 | amiconn | That means code size isn't cut exactly in half |
| 17:10:58 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Also, don't assume that anything that's been done to optimise for other targets will be optimal for the ipods - almost all the codec optimisation so far has been for the irivers (Coldfire CPU). |
| 17:11:05 | amiconn | We also need to be very careful about interrupt handlers then. Interrupt handlers must use arm code |
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| 17:23:03 | novimon | great, the freeze is over |
| 17:23:21 | * | novimon likes to see lots of activity in the CVS |
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| 17:39:23 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 17:41:36 | elinenbe | at least I am unable to register. |
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| 17:43:54 | Jungti1234 | markun there? |
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| 18:36:27 | Gnelik | Who knows how work with Sandisk e200 goes |
| 18:36:28 | Gnelik | ???? |
| 18:36:51 | markun | Gnelik: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
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| 18:37:36 | markun | Gnelik: focus is now to understand the firmware update files: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 18:38:47 | Gnelik | How long will it continue or u cant say now???? |
| 18:39:02 | markun | can't say |
| 18:39:41 | Gnelik | Did you ask Sandisk for some sdk's or doc's? |
| 18:39:57 | markun | read the first link. All the info is there. |
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| 18:41:11 | Gnelik | Thei didnt givi it i understand |
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| 18:42:13 | markun | exactly |
| 18:42:22 | Gnelik | bad |
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| 18:51:28 | webguest78 | anybody wanna commit this - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5665 ? having NAVI as the H300 string might not be a good idea as i think it's referred to as SELECT everywhere else |
| 18:52:08 | PaulJam | but the button has "NAVI" written on it. |
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| 18:53:00 | PaulJam | and often people tend to not read the documentation. |
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| 18:54:00 | Febs | It should be NAVI, IMO. Anything else would be confusing. |
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| 18:56:32 | webguest78 | sounds fine - but a commit should happen, it can't exactly break anything can it? |
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| 18:58:54 | linuxstb | I don't know if voice can handle per-target strings yet... (amiconn ?) At least, there are no target-specific voice files in the wiki. |
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| 19:00:48 | jhMikeS | Hello. What symbols are defined during a build to tell if the bootloader is being built? |
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| 19:02:28 | jhMikeS | I've seen "BOOTLOADER". Is that it? |
| 19:02:56 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 19:03:34 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Thanks |
| 19:05:19 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: I've gotten that BL flashing you were talking about when inserting/removing the unit from the cradle. It even happened after flashing the OF. Seems to happen if you make a move too soon. |
| 19:09:11 | * | linuxstb_ has been blacklisted on the twiki :( |
| 19:11:31 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, do you think it's ok if I name the targets manual-pdf, manual-html and manual-zip? |
| 19:11:48 | * | linuxstb_ discovers he isn't blacklisted on all pages... Just IpodFAQ... |
| 19:12:31 | linuxstb_ | What's in the zip file? html or pdf? |
| 19:12:48 | bluebrother | html. pdf wouldn't make sense IMO. |
| 19:13:11 | ender` | isn't PDF already compressed |
| 19:13:14 | * | Lear is blocked there too... |
| 19:13:49 | Lear | PDF can be compressed (to a large degree at least)... |
| 19:13:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: There are plans to make voice files target specific. (1) It will save space by not including unneeded clips (e.g. radio on ipod) (2) It will allow to use different codecs per target |
| 19:14:01 | * | amiconn is waiting for speex support |
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| 19:15:27 | linuxstb_ | Is voice a reason not to commit the "NAVI for yes" patch yet? |
| 19:16:23 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Also, can you generate both single-page and multi-page versions of the html manual? |
| 19:16:49 | bluebrother | I could, but this isn't integrated in the Makefile yet. |
| 19:17:05 | amiconn | Another thing I am waiting for is a clarification about the legal status of at&t voice files. Cassandra wrote a letter to at&t, but unfortunately she disappeared almost 2 months ago... :( |
| 19:18:08 | amiconn | NAVI for yes is just one tiny spot of a required langv2 rework |
| 19:18:34 | amiconn | s/required/necessary/ |
| 19:19:47 | finik | linuxstb: Hi, I understood from pjulius blog that you helped him connect his itrip, can you please give me a pointer to the code where you had to enable acc. power supply? |
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| 19:21:24 | linuxstb_ | It's in CVS already - it was just a few lines to enable the power outputs in the dock. So if your itrip doesn't work, then I don't know anything else to try. |
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| 19:22:15 | finik | linuxstb: I'm trying to do something else, not iTrip |
| 19:22:22 | finik | linuxstb: and I need 5v :) |
| 19:22:56 | linuxstb_ | The relevant CVS commit was on the 2 May 2006 - search for it in this page: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 19:23:39 | finik | linuxstb: it is just on ipodlinux dock page they say pin #18 is stepped up to 5v in some cases, I don't understand how is it done and whether I can control it from software |
| 19:24:03 | linuxstb_ | The code is in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c - the pcf50605_init() function. The datasheet for the pcf50606 should be in the wiki. |
| 19:24:11 | finik | linuxstb: another wird thing is pjulius claims he used pin #17, which is undocumented |
| 19:24:15 | finik | linuxstb: thanks! |
| 19:26:14 | finik | linuxstb: while yo're here, is there any implementation of serial in rockbox? not acc.protocol, but just plain read/write byte through tx/rx there? |
| 19:27:35 | linuxstb_ | No, nothing for the ipods. IPL has drivers for both the 3G (PP5002) and 4G+(PP502x), but I've been told by the devs that they could never get the 4G to talk to anything - i.e. it doesn't work. |
| 19:28:18 | finik | didn't they connect to all kinds of keyboard etc? |
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| 19:28:41 | linuxstb_ | Maybe on the 3G, but not the 4G AFAIK. |
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| 19:29:06 | finik | and I assume by 4G you mean 5G as well? |
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| 19:30:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes - this is all dependent on the CPU - the 3G has a PP5002, and the 4G and later (including mini, Nano, 5g) have PP5020, PP5021 or PP5022 CPUs which are all register-compatible. |
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| 19:30:21 | linuxstb_ | (1G-3G have PP5002) |
| 19:30:52 | finik | I see, this is very bad news |
| 19:31:06 | linuxstb_ | It's an opportunity... |
| 19:31:13 | finik | :) |
| 19:31:52 | linuxstb_ | What are you trying to connect? |
| 19:31:58 | finik | I maxed out my vacation days at work, so I am considering taking a few days off to work on the ipod |
| 19:32:45 | finik | linuxstb: I wrote a plugin called rockmaps, which shows, navigates and zoomes in-out maps using google titles |
| 19:32:53 | finik | linuxstb: I'm trying to connect GPS to it :) |
| 19:33:24 | PaulJam | Slasheri: i'm trying to figure out the tagnavi.config syntax and have a question: is it possible to express an "or" (e.g. if i want to list all tracks that have either the genre metal or gothic) ? |
| 19:33:32 | finik | linuxstb: I ordered one of these Holux GPS with TTL level RS232 |
| 19:33:56 | amiconn | Hehe, nice idea |
| 19:34:09 | finik | linuxstb: and I was kind of hoping that the UART driver part will not be a problem |
| 19:34:16 | amiconn | The archos has a working serial port that just needs a tiny mod to be used |
| 19:34:30 | * | amiconn just got the weird idea to hook up a modem |
| 19:34:41 | linuxstb_ | hehe... |
| 19:35:02 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: I would be interested to know the syntax, too |
| 19:35:10 | amiconn | It could be possible to play (low bitrate) shoutcast streams... |
| 19:35:22 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe there should be a paragraph in the manual for that |
| 19:35:23 | Slasheri | PaulJam: that's not yet possible.. but will be added in future |
| 19:35:43 | PaulJam | Slasheri: ah, thank you |
| 19:35:48 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:35:52 | finik | linuxstb: anyway, thanks for the help, I'm off to real work now |
| 19:36:47 | linuxstb_ | It could be worth talking to the IPL devs - maybe they know more on the exact status. i.e. if they failed to get _any_ serial comms working, or just failed to talk to official accessories. |
| 19:37:08 | linuxstb_ | But I'm guessing it will be the former. |
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| 19:40:19 | Genre9mp3 | Slasheri: Is the syntax subject to change, or just add some features? |
| 19:42:30 | Slasheri | Genre9mp3: some small changes are possible but i don't think it will entirely change |
| 19:44:20 | Genre9mp3 | Would be possible to use "HAS" "NOTHAS" and "IS" or something like that in tagcache? |
| 19:44:54 | Slasheri | at least i think that adding brackets would be good, something like ( genre = "metal" | genre = "gothic" ) & score > 70 & lastplayed < serial - 20 |
| 19:45:05 | Slasheri | even that would be quite hard to parse |
| 19:45:37 | Slasheri | Genre9mp3: not is not yet possible, but is "=" and has "~" |
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| 19:45:47 | Slasheri | in fact "has" is "contains" |
| 19:46:02 | Genre9mp3 | yes...I meant has that way... |
| 19:46:03 | Slasheri | and "^" begins with |
| 19:46:11 | Slasheri | ah.. |
| 19:46:16 | Genre9mp3 | cool |
| 19:46:24 | Genre9mp3 | So only "nothas" isn't possible |
| 19:46:36 | Slasheri | not yet |
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| 20:16:06 | bluebrother | linuxstb__, I just submitted the changes for the html manual building. I hope I didn't break anything. |
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| 20:23:57 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I've only looked at the diffs, but it seems fine. I'm looking forward to seeing them on the website. |
| 20:24:09 | bluebrother | me too :) |
| 20:24:31 | bluebrother | it's still some work, but initially its building. |
| 20:24:47 | bluebrother | time for me to get back to RL a bit more ;-) |
| 20:25:32 | RaeNye | bye |
| 20:25:39 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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| 20:32:09 | amiconn | Hanging build again :/ |
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| 20:33:29 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...html manual! nice |
| 20:33:46 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: And no Swedes around... |
| 20:34:01 | amiconn | Hmpf |
| 20:34:20 | amiconn | Somehow I think we have too few server admins |
| 20:34:36 | * | linuxstb_ thinks t0mas may have access... |
| 20:35:36 | Galois | one way to help solve this problem would be to set up the build servers so that as much as possible of the build apparatus is under the home directory instead of in system directories |
| 20:36:12 | linuxstb_ | Why would that help? AFAIK, the person running the build server can install the compilers anywhere. |
| 20:36:38 | linuxstb_ | The problem is www.rockbox.org |
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| 20:48:22 | Lear | linuxstb_: No Swedes around? :p |
| 20:48:31 | Lear | Not that I can help... |
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| 20:50:30 | linuxstb_ | Lear: Go and find Linus... |
| 20:51:03 | Lear | While I might be in Sweden, I'm nowere near Stockholm... |
| 20:51:52 | Gnelik | What was the first player Rockbox was madxe for? |
| 20:53:13 | Genre9mp3 | Archos Player I think |
| 20:53:24 | Lear | Wasn't it the recorder? |
| 20:53:54 | Genre9mp3 | Either the Player or the Recorder... I'm not sure |
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| 20:54:50 | Gnelik | How long wap iPod port? |
| 20:55:26 | Gnelik | I want to guess how long time it would take to prt it to Sandisk e200 |
| 20:56:50 | markun | Gnelik: ipod was quick because of ipod linux |
| 20:57:15 | Genre9mp3 | Well, you can't estimate that, you just never know what obstacles will be in the way |
| 20:57:59 | markun | With the gigabeat port sometimes we have a little breakthrough and all goes fast and some weeks nothing happens because we are stuck and/or busy |
| 20:58:38 | linuxstb_ | Gnelik: The ipod port took about 4 months from start to getting audio playback (Oct 2005 - Jan 2006). That was with two people working on it, and as Markun said, the ipodlinux code to copy drivers from. |
| 20:58:51 | linuxstb_ | But there's still a lot of work left. |
| 20:59:14 | Gnelik | e200 half a year? |
| 20:59:21 | Gnelik | of 7 month |
| 20:59:24 | Gnelik | long time |
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| 20:59:30 | Gnelik | :( |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:15 | markun | Gnelik: perhaps you can help to make it go faster |
| 21:00:17 | linuxstb_ | Gnelik: It's impossible to say - it depends how many developers decide to help, how much free time they have. |
| 21:00:28 | linuxstb_ | (and also how hard it turns out to be) |
| 21:01:06 | Gnelik | markun: with plesure |
| 21:01:21 | Gnelik | but i code on .NET |
| 21:01:33 | markun | VB.NET or C#? |
| 21:01:38 | Gnelik | C# |
| 21:02:03 | markun | If you know how to program it's not that difficult to learn another language |
| 21:02:49 | Gnelik | give me your e-mail because y must to go |
| 21:03:16 | markun | I think it's better you come back here and talk to Bagder |
| 21:03:25 | Gnelik | ok |
| 21:03:29 | Gnelik | bye |
| 21:03:36 | markun | take care |
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| 21:23:12 | RaiderX | hello? |
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| 21:25:00 | linuxstb_ | hello. |
| 21:25:39 | RaiderX | i ahte feeling like a noob |
| 21:26:22 | RaiderX | is womeong willing to help me out with themes? im new to rockbox and i installed a theme, but the placement of the text is still like the default theme and all messed up :/ |
| 21:26:30 | RaiderX | *is someone |
| 21:27:23 | linuxstb_ | Have you installed the fonts zip file? Do the themes you are using require any patches not in the official Rockbox? |
| 21:27:47 | RaiderX | i think, im using jblackglass, i think thewres a patch, but im not sure if its the latest one |
| 21:28:02 | RaiderX | it was posted here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4417.0 |
| 21:28:36 | RaiderX | i guewss ill try out that pacth and see what i get |
| 21:29:41 | RaiderX | wth, i keep getting this stupid "youve been black listed" thing, im nto spamming :/ |
| 21:29:58 | linuxstb_ | In the wiki? |
| 21:30:28 | RaiderX | yea |
| 21:30:34 | linuxstb_ | Which page(s)? |
| 21:30:37 | RaiderX | also when i tried to go the forums earlier |
| 21:30:41 | RaiderX | the FAQ |
| 21:30:58 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I got that earlier, and so did others - but only on the IpodFAQ page. |
| 21:31:12 | RaiderX | ok, so then thats just a glitch i guess |
| 21:31:14 | linuxstb_ | Our wiki admin left for vacation a few hours ago though... |
| 21:31:37 | RaiderX | lol, talk about bad timing |
| 21:33:08 | pixelma | that happened more than once today - also with the wiki main page.. :/ |
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| 21:33:46 | RaiderX | hmm, ok, i got another question, how do i get to the main menu from the now playing screen? ive tried every button combo |
| 21:34:11 | RaiderX | omg |
| 21:34:23 | RaiderX | nvm it was center, but it didnt work the first time i teied it |
| 21:36:27 | linuxstb_ | No, the main menu is the MENU button - but a short press and release. |
| 21:37:02 | linuxstb_ | A long press on the center menu gives you the context menu. |
| 21:37:26 | RaiderX | is the main menu the one with bookmarks, settings, and info? |
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| 21:39:44 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
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| 21:40:06 | RaiderX | ok, yea, im figuring out the buttons as i go along, i guess ill get used to it |
| 21:40:18 | S0ap | RaiderX - the reason your first attempt might not have worked is that first button press turns on the backlight? |
| 21:40:24 | Ribs | aye, rockbox's controls can be confusing |
| 21:40:47 | Ribs | RaiderX: Be aware that rockbox has a "turn on LCD only" option switched on by default |
| 21:41:05 | Ribs | so if the backlight is off, and you press a button, it will only turn the backlight on, and it won't actually react to the button normally |
| 21:41:16 | RaiderX | yea, i noticed that |
| 21:41:22 | * | Ribs turned that option off |
| 21:41:34 | Ribs | much easier for using the iPod in one's pocket :) |
| 21:41:35 | RaiderX | hwo do u turn that off? |
| 21:41:40 | Ribs | It's in the settings |
| 21:41:47 | RaiderX | yea, i use it in my pocket all the tiem, so that might help |
| 21:41:49 | RaiderX | ok |
| 21:41:50 | Ribs | display settings, LCD settings, I believe |
| 21:41:56 | RaiderX | ok ill check it out |
| 21:41:58 | Ribs | but that's from memory :) |
| 21:42:17 | RaiderX | well ill find it |
| 21:42:31 | Ribs | good man |
| 21:42:44 | RaiderX | so for a patch, it is safe to replace the rockbox.ipod? |
| 21:43:21 | RaiderX | so theres no way to really have more than one patch for different themes huh? |
| 21:44:22 | * | Ribs runs patch free, I can't help you there |
| 21:44:45 | RaiderX | link me to some info and ill figure it out |
| 21:44:59 | S0ap | I don't know what themes the patch for jblackglass will break, you should ask in the jblackglass thread. |
| 21:45:07 | RaiderX | ok |
| 21:45:19 | RaiderX | i only plan on using that theme really, or the other blackglass theme |
| 21:45:36 | S0ap | you could always install the ipodlinux bootloader and choose between multiple installs of rockbox, to run different themes if his patched build breaks other WPSs |
| 21:45:51 | RaiderX | maybe |
| 21:46:17 | S0ap | you'll get lots of curt responses if you ask for support in the official forums/IRC/etc for an unofficial patched build. |
| 21:46:35 | RaiderX | curt? |
| 21:46:38 | S0ap | might be best to run a daily for a few weeks until you have learned what is what, then switch to the patched build. |
| 21:47:02 | S0ap | curt as in short, with an implication of rudeness. |
| 21:47:15 | RaiderX | oh |
| 21:47:32 | Ribs | hrm |
| 21:47:44 | Ribs | you can use the standard blackglass theme |
| 21:47:48 | S0ap | many of the developers are busy trying to support noobies asking the same questions over-and-over on _official_ builds as is, and don't like dealing with support for someone elses build. |
| 21:47:53 | RaiderX | the only thing i trouble with is learning all the terms used here |
| 21:47:57 | Ribs | what's the jblackglass one got over the normal one? |
| 21:48:08 | RaiderX | i dont know |
| 21:48:12 | RaiderX | ik plannign on tryign both |
| 21:48:16 | Ribs | just use the normal one :) |
| 21:48:16 | S0ap | there is a wiki, massive forums, and a manual. |
| 21:48:21 | Ribs | I replaced the background picture |
| 21:48:27 | Ribs | now it looks uber-sexy |
| 21:48:28 | Ribs | \o/ |
| 21:48:40 | RaiderX | i liked how jblackglass looked for a couple reasons, but illl try the other |
| 21:48:47 | S0ap | jblackglass has a custom statusbar, scrolling text, album art, etc. |
| 21:48:51 | RaiderX | it has the buttons in the center |
| 21:48:52 | RaiderX | yea |
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| 21:54:35 | darth_mall | anyone here using rockbox on an iAudio X5? |
| 21:54:42 | dionoea | hello |
| 21:55:52 | RaiderX | does jblackglass need an album art patch? |
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| 21:58:44 | grimman | Hey, I'm getting "[ERR] read in disk_readThe request could not be performed because of an I/O device error." when trying to back my iPod firmware up with ipodpatcher.exe. Does anyone know what might cause that? |
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| 22:02:52 | RaiderX | hey, which font patch do i get? |
| 22:03:11 | RaiderX | theres a whole bunch: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
| 22:03:25 | RaiderX | is the top on the latest one? |
| 22:03:33 | RaiderX | oh nvm |
| 22:03:37 | RaiderX | the dates :P |
| 22:05:14 | linuxstb_ | grimman: Did the "ipodpatcher N" command work to identify your ipod? |
| 22:06:55 | grimman | linuxstb_: Yep. |
| 22:07:04 | grimman | (number 4 if that's of any interest) |
| 22:07:53 | grimman | It starts out with; [INFO] Seeking to sector 63 (new line) [INFO] Writing 224847 sectors to output file |
| 22:07:56 | grimman | After that I get the error. |
| 22:08:11 | grimman | The output file size varies between just under two megs to roughly 2.5 megs. |
| 22:08:20 | grimman | I've tried it a few times. ;) |
| 22:12:10 | linuxstb_ | I don't know what to suggest - "I/O device error" implies some kind of hardware issue. |
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| 22:15:04 | grimman | Bleh. |
| 22:15:51 | grimman | I wonder if it might have anything to do with the iPod updater I used earlier today... it did its thing, but afterwards it said something about my iPod not being supported... I just figured that was because the iPod firmware was already up to date though. |
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| 22:22:18 | BigMar992 | anyone available to answer a question |
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| 22:28:17 | obo | is CVS working okay for anyone? cvs up is hanging here |
| 22:28:24 | markun | BigMar992: depends on the question |
| 22:28:50 | markun | obo: works fine here |
| 22:29:02 | markun | cvs update |
| 22:29:04 | BigMar992 | i'm sure its a noob question.....i have rockbox with iPod Blue5G skin...followed directions....its working....but i can't seem to learn how to browse my music |
| 22:29:10 | BigMar992 | i've read faq also |
| 22:29:15 | BigMar992 | i think its too trivial |
| 22:29:28 | markun | BigMar992: did you put all your music on it with itunes? |
| 22:29:31 | BigMar992 | i have 2 albums on there right now...and i can only play 1 |
| 22:29:32 | obo | markun: thanks - sprang into life for one checked out folder, still hanging on the other |
| 22:29:36 | BigMar992 | yes |
| 22:29:52 | markun | Do you want to continue to use itunes? |
| 22:29:58 | BigMar992 | i've gotten as far as seeing the 20 songs from the 1 album (in the ipod format ZZNL, etc) |
| 22:30:09 | BigMar992 | i'd rather get a working winamp tool |
| 22:30:14 | BigMar992 | but i got one...and it doesnt seem to work |
| 22:30:28 | pixelma | markun: there was some talk about a hanging build before |
| 22:30:43 | markun | With rockbox you can just copy music directly to your ipod without any tool |
| 22:30:44 | BigMar992 | but i still dont know how to browse within the ipod tho |
| 22:30:53 | BigMar992 | really |
| 22:31:18 | markun | BigMar992: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav |
| 22:31:33 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_put_my_songs_on_the_iPo |
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| 22:33:37 | RaiderX | does tag cache rganize the music similar to how the notrmal firmware does? |
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| 22:36:55 | BigMar992 | markun.....so u recommend i just load my music right into a folder stored on my ipod (from my computer, without a program) and i should be able to browse them with rockbox? |
| 22:37:32 | Genre9mp3 | BigMar992: Isn't this the "right way" antway? |
| 22:37:38 | markun | BigMar992: you have to decide for yourself what you think is best |
| 22:37:44 | Genre9mp3 | anyway |
| 22:37:53 | BigMar992 | i want the easiest |
| 22:37:57 | BigMar992 | and i think that would be |
| 22:38:13 | markun | yes, I think so too |
| 22:38:18 | RaiderX | BigMar992 that woudl be the easiest if you dont care abotu using the original ipod firmware |
| 22:38:24 | BigMar992 | true |
| 22:38:41 | RaiderX | thats my problem, i gotta learn how tagcahce works cuz I want to use the original firmware also |
| 22:38:49 | BigMar992 | i dont...i just want full funcionality with rockbox (i.e. being able to browse my music and select what i want to play, put playlists together, etc)...but i couldnt do that with what i was doing |
| 22:38:56 | BigMar992 | ahh |
| 22:39:18 | RaiderX | does rockbox play videos? as far as ive seen no right? |
| 22:39:32 | Ribs | not yet |
| 22:39:40 | Ribs | as far as I know... |
| 22:39:44 | markun | RaiderX: only on some of the archos players |
| 22:39:52 | RaiderX | ok, thats one reason to use the original firmware\ |
| 22:39:56 | BigMar992 | lol yea |
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| 22:40:21 | * | Ribs brought his iPod to play music, tbh |
| 22:40:39 | RaiderX | lol |
| 22:40:55 | * | RaiderX bought his ipod to play music and music videos for the hell of it |
| 22:41:19 | kerb | I wanted to play videos but I haven't actually used it yet |
| 22:41:24 | kerb | Might come in handy some day though |
| 22:41:41 | RaiderX | i actually enjoy watching family gy on my ipod during class :D |
| 22:41:51 | RaiderX | makes it a lot more fun |
| 22:42:00 | Ribs | lol |
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| 22:43:47 | RaiderX | i mostly liek rockbox for the interface, themes, and plugins might be cool, buit I dont plan to use ym ipod for games really. doom with a clickwheel isnt so appealing to me :/ i much rather play it on my PSP |
| 22:44:49 | kerb | I don't travel for long enough to watch videos, and when I'm at the university or work I have my laptop :) |
| 22:45:13 | RaiderX | i dont have a laptop :| |
| 22:45:27 | grimman | Hm, the expected iPod firmware size is, according to the install wiki, 5 megs or so. When using the iPodWizard to extract from the updater I get a 12.2 meg file. Am I even on the right track here? |
| 22:45:47 | RaiderX | ipodwizard doesnt extract the firmware |
| 22:46:01 | grimman | "Extract firmware binary"... |
| 22:46:12 | obo | grimman: 5g? |
| 22:46:17 | grimman | obo: Yep. |
| 22:46:29 | linuxstb_ | ipodwizard extracts an image of the firmware partition - so 12.2MB is about right for a 5G. |
| 22:46:33 | obo | sounds like the apple os + the firmware for the broadcom video |
| 22:46:44 | RaiderX | ya, i didnt expect it to be 5mb |
| 22:47:33 | linuxstb_ | grimman: You should rename that firmware file to "bootpartition.bin" and then continue with the install instructions. |
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| 22:48:22 | linuxstb_ | But if you got an I/O error when reading from your ipod, I would be surprised if you don't get one when writing - and you'll end up with an unusable ipod. |
| 22:48:48 | grimman | linuxstb_: But the wiki says earlier on that the expected filesize for the 5G iPod is ~112 megs and that I extract the OS stuff from that one. The file I have now is too large for the OS alone (apparently) and waaay too small for the whole firmware. |
| 22:49:05 | grimman | linuxstb_: The updater itself can update the firmware though. |
| 22:49:29 | grimman | I tried the iPW rockbox installer and it messed the iPod up to the point where I had to reset the whole thing. |
| 22:49:50 | RaiderX | which version |
| 22:49:55 | grimman | Of what? |
| 22:50:03 | RaiderX | iPW rockbox installer |
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| 22:50:10 | grimman | 7.7 |
| 22:50:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: ipod_fw creates files MUCH smaller than the 112mb the original file was. On 5G, I'd guess in the 12ish range, maybe? |
| 22:50:15 | RaiderX | i had no problem with it |
| 22:50:17 | linuxstb_ | The whole firmware partition is 112MB. But there is only about 12MB of useful data at the start of it - i.e. the 12.2MB file you extracted using ipodwizard - the rest is empty. |
| 22:51:15 | grimman | RaiderX: I think it was after the firmware extractor failed (and the iPW just went on as if it hadn't error:ed out), when it was installing the modified firmware. |
| 22:51:24 | grimman | linuxstb_: Aha. |
| 22:51:53 | RaiderX | oh, i didnt even backup my firmware b4 installing :P |
| 22:52:29 | grimman | It's not so much backing up, I guess, as getting firmware to modify. ;P |
| 22:52:36 | RaiderX | ya |
| 22:52:49 | RaiderX | are you just tryign to mod the theme in the normal firmware? |
| 22:53:01 | grimman | I'm trying to install the bootloader for rockbox. |
| 22:53:06 | RaiderX | oooh |
| 22:53:22 | RaiderX | thats the thing that allows you to choose it or the normal fw right? |
| 22:53:53 | grimman | Yep |
| 22:54:11 | RaiderX | yea, im probably gonan end up installign that also |
| 22:54:26 | dionoea | anyone thinking about applying the ipod touch wheel patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4721 ) to CVS ? (it would be quite nice) |
| 22:54:37 | RaiderX | touchwheel? |
| 22:54:42 | RaiderX | wuts it do? |
| 22:54:57 | RaiderX | nvm its only 4g and nano |
| 22:55:23 | dionoea | 5g should be ok too i guess |
| 22:55:26 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: Do you have an ipod? |
| 22:55:32 | dionoea | video yeah |
| 22:55:46 | linuxstb_ | Yes, 4g, nano and 5g use the same button driver, so if it works for one, it will work for all. |
| 22:55:54 | RaiderX | ok |
| 22:55:55 | dionoea | but i don't know rockbox well enough to apply such a patch |
| 22:56:09 | RaiderX | but whats that patch do? |
| 22:56:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: If you have Rockbox installed, you already have the bootloader. Are you not yet using Rockbox? |
| 22:56:26 | dionoea | absolute wheel positioning |
| 22:56:55 | RaiderX | Paul_The_Nerd, i have rockbox on, but i want a GUI based loader |
| 22:57:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: Ah, well the bootloader for Rockbox isn't the GUI based one. The iPodLinux one is. |
| 22:57:22 | RaiderX | yea |
| 22:57:24 | dionoea | linuxstb_: btw, do you know how to disable the poweroff button from a plugin ? Doom seems to do it but i can't find how/where |
| 22:57:28 | RaiderX | thats why i mgith get ipl and tyr it out alos |
| 22:57:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Actually, with the absolute wheel positioning patch you could add a cellphone-like text entry method on iPods. |
| 22:57:57 | RaiderX | i ahevnt been in the ipod scene in a while, last time i was modding my ipod, ipl wasnt available for 5g and the best there was was iPW |
| 22:58:17 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, i saw stuff like that in the ipod linux wiki |
| 22:58:40 | dionoea | but i was considering it for games or other plugins which need more keys than available |
| 22:58:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it's particularly useful for Rockboy. |
| 22:58:55 | RaiderX | is doom really playable on the ipod? i ahvent tied it yet |
| 22:58:59 | grimman | Sweet. |
| 22:59:17 | grimman | "Rockbox Error: -1 |
| 22:59:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | That means rockbox.ipod wasn't found on the disk |
| 22:59:35 | dionoea | RaiderX: not enough keys ... but it works well :) |
| 22:59:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: Did you copy over and extract a daily build to the root of your Fat32 partition? |
| 22:59:57 | RaiderX | ill have o see for myself |
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| 23:00:08 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: Doing that now. |
| 23:00:22 | grimman | The "sweet" was because the wiki says it's working if I see that. ;) |
| 23:00:34 | linuxstb_ | Did the Apple firmware load OK? |
| 23:00:37 | grimman | Yep. |
| 23:00:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: Oh, right. The wiki used to not tell you that was a good thing, so I thought that was a sarcastic sweet. |
| 23:00:49 | grimman | Hehe =) |
| 23:01:01 | grimman | I'd be crying if I didn't know a bluescreen with "error -1" was a good thing. ;) |
| 23:01:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually the word "Error" would send a user into a blind panic with fears of bricking. |
| 23:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Did you see there's a 3G CPU speed patch in the tracker? |
| 23:01:31 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: No, I don't know how Doom does that. |
| 23:02:15 | dionoea | ah ... too bad :) |
| 23:02:18 | dionoea | thanks anyway |
| 23:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Well, doesn't a plugin have full control over what the keys do while it's running anyway? Wouldn't it be more a matter of not adding a power off function? |
| 23:03:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd isn't really sure about that. |
| 23:03:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would explain why you can't find it though. |
| 23:04:07 | RaiderX | hey i applied a font patch, but how do i change the font? |
| 23:04:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: I'm pretty sure that one's in the manual. |
| 23:04:43 | RaiderX | um |
| 23:04:51 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: i somehow doubt that ... the OFF key handling is directly in the keyboard driver i think |
| 23:04:53 | RaiderX | que? |
| 23:05:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: Which word didn't you understand? |
| 23:05:25 | RaiderX | what manual? |
| 23:05:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: The one linked to on both the daily download page and the documentation page... |
| 23:05:52 | RaiderX | so itll tell me hwo to change the font? |
| 23:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: I wouldn't really know, since I don't even know which hardware you're talking about. ;) |
| 23:06:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: Among various other useful things, yes. |
| 23:06:36 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: any hardware :) see line 500 in the firmware/drivers/button.c file |
| 23:07:01 | RaiderX | ok ill have to check it out |
| 23:07:04 | dionoea | but it's only annoying on ipods where a long press of the play key turns it off |
| 23:07:15 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Just seen that patch now. Nice to see dan_a has been busy. |
| 23:07:31 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: How's mp3 playback at 90MHz? |
| 23:07:51 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Slowly getting better |
| 23:08:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Does that handle the iPod poweroff though? Since that's not really just a button... |
| 23:08:14 | dionoea | it does |
| 23:08:43 | dionoea | it checks if the key was repeated more than POWEROFF_COUNT ticks |
| 23:08:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 23:09:01 | dan_a | linuxstb_: With the codec compiled at -Os it seems better still. I'm just trying Vorbis with that to see if it becomes completely usable |
| 23:09:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Can you power off during other plugins? (I don't have Rockbox on my iPod at the moment.) |
| 23:09:35 | dionoea | sure ... except in doom (and maybe rockboy ... not sure though) |
| 23:09:47 | dionoea | maybe they're not ordinary plugins |
| 23:10:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're ordinary plugins, as far as I know at least. They shouldn't be special. |
| 23:11:35 | RaiderX | hah, i found the fonts myself, lol |
| 23:12:27 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: you're Paul Louden ? |
| 23:12:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 23:13:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aliases: Llorean, Paul_The_Nerd, and "That annoying guy who keeps yelling at me to try to type out full words so people who have to use translation software can read it" |
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| 23:13:43 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: well you should know about the rockdoom way of doing it ! ... (at least you're listed as one of the doom's IPod port authors) |
| 23:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, I never touched the code as it is. |
| 23:14:14 | dionoea | ok :) |
| 23:14:23 | * | dionoea looks for Dave Chapman |
| 23:14:31 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: I would just put it down as a bug in Doom... The button driver should handle the shutdown. |
| 23:14:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | There was a prior attempt at porting a different Doom port, but even then much of the work was done by Karl. I just spent quite a bit of time tracking down where alignment errors happened, and other various crashes the iPod version had that the H300 didn't. |
| 23:14:40 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: Check the IrcNicks wiki page... |
| 23:14:55 | miner49er | Hey everyone. |
| 23:15:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sees Dave Chapman in the list, but keeps his mouth shut. ;) |
| 23:15:14 | * | dionoea found Dave Chapman |
| 23:15:22 | miner49er | Does anyone know why I don't have an apps/plugins/SUBDIRS file? |
| 23:15:24 | pixelma | lol |
| 23:15:42 | miner49er | I'm trying to apply the spectrum emulator patch |
| 23:15:54 | dionoea | linuxstb_: how would the rockdoom plugin bypass the button driver ? |
| 23:16:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | miner49er: How old is your source, and did you check out from CVS or use the source code download? |
| 23:16:23 | miner49er | Paul: I resynced last night, directly yo CVS |
| 23:16:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: He said he's just thinking it's a bug. |
| 23:16:47 | * | dionoea tries to understand what could trigger such a bug |
| 23:17:01 | miner49er | aar, sorry, I'm being a cretin. |
| 23:17:08 | miner49er | I do have it. What a dumbass |
| 23:18:56 | grimman | Isn't the iPod supposed to save the changes I make to the settings on the fly? |
| 23:19:00 | miner49er | okay, here's a real question - why do extra files appear in my current directory? instead of where I would expect them. For instance, the chopper.c file should appear in the plugins dir |
| 23:19:20 | grimman | If I reset the device and boot to the default firmware it prompts me for language selection all the time. |
| 23:19:33 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: I think it's because Doom doesn't call the default_event_handler() in the button loop. |
| 23:20:04 | linuxstb_ | The button code sends a shutdown message to all threads, and it looks like Doom doesn't respond. |
| 23:20:08 | dionoea | is that in i_video.c ? |
| 23:20:27 | dionoea | ok |
| 23:20:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: The Apple firmware has been, with the most recent version, acting strangely when Rockbox's bootloader is inserted. |
| 23:20:31 | dionoea | i'll give it a try |
| 23:20:56 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: ok... all in regular Apple style then I suppose. ;P |
| 23:21:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: On the Nano, with the most recent update, you can't seem to see your music with Rockbox installed. |
| 23:21:36 | grimman | Cute. |
| 23:23:22 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: It's probably worth adding that to the ipodinstallation page(s).. But IMO those pages are already getting too long and confusing with all these extra notes.. |
| 23:23:53 | dionoea | linuxstb_: indeed ... that was it. Thanks |
| 23:25:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Yeah, I keep finding myself having to add notes to explain the notes, and so on. |
| 23:25:58 | linuxstb_ | BTW, did you read my suggestions for the forum reorganisation? |
| 23:26:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, I did. I think your suggested reorganization layout is almost just right. |
| 23:27:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll probably end up being what I use, or something very close to it. Once I figure out the best way to migrate and all. |
| 23:28:23 | linuxstb_ | I'm still not completely happy with them though. e.g. the "New features" forum means that if someone wants to discuss a potential new audio playback feature, they still have the choice of the audio playback forum and the new features forum.. But maybe the purpose of the "New Features' should just be related to development and patches - not for suggesting new features. |
| 23:28:51 | dionoea | Features requests forum is indeed a good idea |
| 23:28:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, feature requests go on the tracker anyway. |
| 23:28:58 | linuxstb_ | (yes, migration doesn't seem an easy task - unless you recruit a lot of people to help you move topics) |
| 23:29:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The feature request forum is really for people to poll relating to "How would you like to see this feature implemented" or discuss ideas for them before posting to the requests, etc. |
| 23:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ideally |
| 23:29:51 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know if it's related, but setting up Anapod with the iPod may have made the settings "stick", a reset after I transferred an album doesn't result in a clean settings table. |
| 23:29:53 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I agree - the development side of new features. |
| 23:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, discussing bugs in new-feature patches (like album art) so that the Tracker doesn't become discussion as well. |
| 23:30:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | So that maybe less support-requests hit the tracker, with luck |
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| 23:32:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: I think it partially depends on how long you've had your iPod on in the retail firmware. I think if you connect USB even once while in Retail, the settings usually stick. |
| 23:32:35 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: I've had the USB cable in most of the time. |
| 23:32:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: Dunno then. |
| 23:33:00 | grimman | Me neither tbh. ;) |
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| 23:34:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, off for dinner, back later. |
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| 23:56:01 | dan_a | D'oh! I thought I'd got some thumb code working, but it just made Rockbox crash |
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| 23:58:39 | linuxstb_ | :) What did you compile as thumb? |
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