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#rockbox log for 2006-07-20

00:00:05CYPER^I have more questions :D
00:00:16CYPER^about TagCache
00:00:33CYPER^how can I remove Example1 and Example 2 from the list
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00:01:13CYPER^what are they for anyway?
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00:01:17webguest79CYPER^: edit the tagnavi.config in the .rockbox dir
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00:01:45bluebrotherCYPER^, they are examples ;-)
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00:02:29CYPER^I will delete them
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00:02:34CYPER^just one moment to see how
00:02:45RoriHi guys. I asked this ob the forums and got a snooty answer. When I disconnect my Nano from the USB cable using 'Safely Remove Hardware' it crashes to a battery icon and has to be hard reset to boot it. Is this a known issue and is it going to be fixed or is it a problem with Apple and cannot be fixed (Or nobody can be bothered)?
00:03:05 Quit klrspz ()
00:03:27CYPER^Doest it say: You can now safely remove blah......
00:03:45ttyfsckerthanks i got it to work
00:03:52CYPER^hm I don't have that problem with 4G
00:03:54Roriit does not always do it. 50/50 chance it does it
00:04:01ttyfsckerfor some reason my files didnt get placed in the right directories
00:04:41dumbkidif (you.aredev)
00:04:41dumbkid cpu_boost(true); /* hope u can think faster know... */
00:04:41DBUGEnqueued KICK dumbkid
00:04:41dumbkid if ((do_you_know_such_a_function(" & ",1,"Artist 1 & Artist2") == "Artist 1") and (do_you_know_such_a_function(" & ",2,"Artist 1 & Artist2") == "Artist 2"))
00:04:42dumbkid {
00:04:44dumbkid posthere(name_of_that_function);
00:04:46dumbkid }
00:04:48dumbkid cpu_boost(false); /* save ressources... */
00:04:55dumbkidso what was the solution for you?
00:04:59CYPER^webguest79, great 10x - I can see it is highly customizable
00:05:01dumbkidi was abscent :/
00:05:41CYPER^where can I see tha TagCache Tags?
00:06:25linuxstbRori: That seems to be a common problem - but the disk mode is part of the Apple firmware, so there's not much we can do about it. In the long term, Rockbox may get its own disk mode, but that won't be an easy task.
00:06:29CYPER^so I can put some new files: like show only pop songs before 1990
00:06:37CYPER^put new lines
00:06:37webguest79CYPER^: they are not documented yet, because tagcache is still under developement
00:07:00CYPER^then I can try to understand it :D
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00:07:24Rorilinuxstb thanks for giving a decent answer
00:07:32ttyfsckerdumbkid:: all the files weren't getting extracted before..
00:07:37RoriI did not know Rockbox relies on Apple's disk mode to work
00:07:54CYPER^apple firmware is still there
00:08:02CYPER^you can see the apple logo, while booting
00:08:33Roriyep true
00:09:05RoriDoes Rockbox use the iRiver H1*0 disk mode or it's own?
00:09:30RoriThat was poorly worded but you get the idea.
00:09:32_FireFly_on h1*0 the disk mode is a simple usb-disk
00:09:34linuxstbRockbox has its own disk mode on every target apart from the ipods.
00:09:46webguest79i think ipods are the only targets where usb isn't handled by hardware
00:10:08bluebrotherbtw, how is disk mode handled on ipods? Isn't this done with a hardware solution (like e.g. iriver)?
00:10:32linuxstbNo idea.... The USB is all part of the PortalPlayer chip.
00:11:01linuxstbOther targets have separate ATA<->USB bridge chips with (I assume) publically available documentation.
00:11:13_FireFly_maybe there use a chip which has only the usb-transiver on it and the usb-stack is in software
00:11:15bluebrotherah... sounds like the usb host is completely done in software? Nasty.
00:11:31bluebrotheriirc iriver has a cypress ata bridge.
00:12:32_FireFly_bluebrother: whatever it is handled by the usbstorage kernel driver on linux, so any supported chip could be used
00:13:14bluebrotherit definitely isn't a Genesys Logic chip as those used to have big problems in usb2.0 mode in kernel 2.4
00:14:37_FireFly_i don't know because i doesn't ran an 2.4er kernel
00:15:24bluebrotherI picked an external hard drive about 2 years ago with that chip ... it was awful.
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00:15:51bluebrotherfrom what I found on the net it seems GL has strange timings for their chip
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00:19:27peturlinuxstb: already working on recording?
00:20:49bluebrotherfunny. Iriver sells the h120 as "multi codec jukebox" but according to hal it's an mp3 player ;-)
00:21:17dumbkiddo someone know how i can catch each character from a string with a if?
00:21:56LinusNdumbkid: what do you want to accomplish?
00:21:58bluebrotheror what do you mean?
00:22:30slartibluebrother: well, it definitely plays >1 codec
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00:24:02dumbkidall in all i need a function which returns me a part of a string, depending on the argument given to the function (for example: if the string is "Hello & Goodbye" the function should return "Hello" when i call it with function("hello & gb",1) and "Goodbye" when i call function("hello & goodbye",2)
00:24:21_FireFly_bluebrother: mp3-player is nowadays a kind of synonym for protable music players
00:25:05webguest45Hi. I just wanted to log in and say THANK YOU. For ages I had been waiting for ipodlinux to support 5g ipods so I could play my large .ogg collection. A few hours ago I had never heard of Rockbox, now I have it installed, themed-up and playng my oggs! Thanks guys!
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00:25:46bluebrother_FireFly_, I know. It's just kind of funny as iriver itself uses it.
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00:26:15webguest45And gapless playback too! I have lost count of the number of time I have moaned to Apple zealots about how dumb it is that iPods have agap between tracks.
00:26:27bluebrotherdumbkid, meaning you want to split the string on that & sign?
00:26:38_FireFly_bluebrother: i think if they don't call it a mp3-player then they wouldn't sell as much as they did
00:27:10bluebrotheractually they print "multi-codec jukebox" on it. Which was the fact I was surprised.
00:27:25dumbkidexactly thats what i mean
00:27:25_FireFly_bluebrother: by the way the usb-ata-bridge chip is a cypress one
00:27:42bluebrotherI haven't found another way to display that product string other than using lshal.
00:27:58_FireFly_bluebrother: lsusb ? :)
00:28:11_FireFly_ok this doesn't work as normal user
00:28:18markunwebguest45: good to hear you like it
00:28:29bluebrotherhmm, seems I don't have lsusb installed
00:29:05_FireFly_it should be in /usr/sbin/
00:29:43dumbkidblue, do you know a function to split those strings?
00:30:46_FireFly_dumbkid: you could write one with strchr
00:31:36dumbkid^^ thats the first step
00:31:38bluebrotherdumbkid, you could search for the position from which to split.
00:31:40dumbkiddidnt know strchr
00:31:49bluebrotherI'd use a pointer ;-)
00:31:51dumbkidalready started writing exactly tha on my one
00:32:10dumbkidid use a pointer too, but strchr is much easier
00:32:23dumbkidfor the first part
00:32:24_FireFly_bluebrother: lsusb is in the usbutils package
00:32:36dumbkidin the second ill still need pointers i think :)
00:32:39 Quit ender` (" Top reason why compilers are like women: Miss a period and they go crazy")
00:32:41_FireFly_there is also a strrchr ;)
00:32:45_FireFly_man strchr
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00:34:50_FireFly_dumbkid: strchr only returns an pointer
00:36:12dumbkidpointer-string+1 = position of the char in the string :)
00:36:25dumbkid(at least i hope its that easy)
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00:39:03bluebrotherdumbkid, I'm not sure if I understand this correctly but if yes it won't work.
00:39:13bluebrotherI'm assuming string is the length of your string?
00:39:28bluebrotheror do you mean a pointer to your string?
00:39:38bluebrotherWhich would be different ;-)
00:39:56webguest79wow, trying to play audiofiles in linux is very disappointing. Amarok refuses to play FLAC files, nautilus pretends that my FLACs are just renamed mp3s and rhythmbox can play the FLACs, but doesn't recognize half of my mp3s.
00:40:30dumbkidi mean the pointer
00:40:34kerbI've had largely positive experiences with Banshee
00:40:36bluebrotherah, ok :)
00:40:43bluebrotherhmm, strange new behaviour.
00:40:44kerbExcept a few crashes some versions ago
00:40:55dumbkidis it written wrong?
00:41:02bluebrotherit seems my player won't play anything after a usb disconnect.
00:41:08dumbkiddo i have to write *string?
00:41:10_FireFly_webguest79: try audacious ;)
00:41:17webguest79i think i'll continue to have my h320 connected to the line-in.
00:41:33bluebrotherrebooting helps, but it's annoying.
00:42:04bluebrotherdumbkid, if both are pointers it looks good to me (or I should _really_ go to bed now ;-)
00:42:08_FireFly_webguest79: which linux distri do you have
00:42:10bluebrothergetting late here.
00:42:33bluebrotherwebguest79, I have amarok playing mp3 and ogg without problems. Are you missing some packages?
00:42:50_FireFly_amarok can also play flac-files
00:42:55webguest79ubuntu. i guess the upgrade to 6.06 broke more then i thought.
00:43:07CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 10 minutes and 44 seconds at the last flood
00:43:07*dumbkid should _really_ go to bed now :!
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00:43:33_FireFly_have you tried to run amarok in a terminal to get the error-messages (if there where some)
00:43:51bluebrotherwebguest79, what engine are you using?
00:43:58webguest79FireFly: good idea
00:44:11linuxstbpetur: Yes, but slowly... Haven't had much time to devote to it.
00:44:19_FireFly_webguest79: ;)
00:45:26peturlinuxstb: I've been thinking of defining a number of values just like buttons are assigned. For min/max/default gain, ...
00:45:27bluebrotherdamn, why is htlatex still failing on that one longtable's booktabs?
00:46:31peturlinuxstb: I was looking into adding AGC for all recording targets but it will introduce too many ifdefs so I'd stuff them all in one place
00:47:08dumbkidhelp me with my problem, please :)
00:47:08dumbkidgiven is a string "test1 & test2 & eventuelly test3"
00:47:08dumbkidi want to call a subroutine for each of those parts (seperated by the '&')
00:47:20dumbkidin vb its that easy :/
00:47:38bluebrotherdumbkid, what's exactly the problem?
00:47:42bluebrothernot working at all?
00:47:49dumbkidto hard 2 me
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00:48:31dumbkidstrtok !
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00:49:13bluebrotherI really need to get some sleep.
00:49:23bluebrotherdumbkid, good luck.
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00:51:58linuxstbpetur: It would be nice if pcm_record.c was made more generic - moving all the Coldfire-specific stuff somewhere else. A similar cleanup could be done in pcm_playback.c
00:52:52peturafter the holiday :)
00:54:34linuxstbyes :)
00:54:39webguest79_Firefly_: unfortunately the console doesn't output anything useful. well, maybe i'll look into this tomorrow. now i need some sleep. night.
00:55:05linuxstbpetur: When the weather returns to something sensible...
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00:55:46peturah we just had a bit of rain. but still 28 degrees...
00:56:03dumbkidthe multiple entry of artists seperated with & is done!
00:56:28dumbkidbut i dont believe itll work xD
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00:57:32linuxstb"Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young" will work well...
00:59:18dumbkidwith my patch in the tagcache there should be 5 entries :/
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00:59:18dumbkidcrosby, stills, nash & young
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00:59:33linuxstbSo it splits on "," as well?
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00:59:52CYPER^why the itunes2 wps is not showing properly
00:59:57CYPER^I put the fonts package
01:00:09CYPER^and it's not just it
01:00:13dumbkid(to be true... it splits on "," since u remembered me of it xD)
01:00:17CYPER^some other themes as well
01:00:26dumbkidwhat do u mean?
01:00:47dumbkidi have some pink boxes at some themes -.-
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01:01:02dumbkidbut i have no chance to test it :(
01:01:07dumbkidmy patch
01:01:08CYPER^everyting is white with itunes2
01:01:23dumbkidcygwin will take some years until its loaded xD
01:02:31CYPER^also why scrolling is so slow
01:03:09linuxstbdumbkid: Now find a way to link that "young" with "Neil Young" (solo), "Neil Young & Crazy Horse", etc etc
01:03:16CYPER^feels like slow proccesorprocessor
01:03:19CYPER^slow processor
01:03:21dumbkid memset(&track, 0, sizeof(struct track_info));
01:03:21dumbkid memset(&entry, 0, sizeof(struct temp_file_entry));
01:03:21dumbkid memset(&tracknumfix, 0, sizeof(tracknumfix));
01:03:21***Alert Mode level 2
01:03:21dumbkid ret = get_metadata(&track, fd, path, false);
01:03:21***Alert Mode level 3
01:03:21dumbkid close(fd);
01:03:21***Alert Mode level 4
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01:05:13dumbkidlooks like freenode dont want me to post sourcecode ...
01:05:57dumbkidim so proud on my first work :) (most of that work is what u said me xD and i dont know if it works, but ive written 3 lines!)
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01:06:35peturdumbkid: your punishment for flooding the channel :)
01:06:47dumbkidit has to be a amazing feeling to write something that genious like rockbox! right linus=
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01:07:44dumbkidoh its late :/
01:08:23dumbkidim gonna sleeping now
01:08:27peturdumbkid: use
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01:14:41dumbkidwow, my code is something special!
01:14:41dumbkidWarning: unlink(/home/pastebin/public_html/../cache/recent): No such file or directory in /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php on line 243
01:14:41DBUGEnqueued KICK dumbkid
01:14:41dumbkidWarning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php:243) in /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/pastebin.class.php on line 198
01:14:46dumbkid^^ my work -.-
01:17:43dumbkidany german ppl here?
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01:20:44dumbkidlooks like nobodys online
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03:15:45ttyfsckerwhy doesnt rockbox save my settings after i add more songs to it?
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03:20:37Paul_The_NerdHave you shut it down properly after changing settings?
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03:23:48ttyfsckeri cant figure it out it wont let me have the usb cable hooked up and listen to music at the same time.. it always goes to disk mode.. when i try to save my config i cant seem to find out what the "save" "enter" button is.. the center button is like backspace, the menu button takes me out and cancels, the play button doesnt seem to do anything and the left/right arrows navigate
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03:24:44*Paul_The_Nerd notes that none of that answered the one question he asked.
03:25:08ttyfsckeryes i did shut down
03:25:13Paul_The_NerdBy holding Play?
03:25:57Paul_The_NerdAre you using an official build, or one of the modified ones from the forums?
03:26:05ttyfsckerbut thats not a big deal really
03:26:14ttyfsckeri do want to be able to listen to it while its charging
03:26:27ttyfsckerno im using the latest from the rockbox site for the ipod nano
03:26:32Paul_The_NerdHow to listen while charging, and the controls for name-entry for files, are in the Manual and FAQ.
03:27:32Paul_The_NerdWith an official build, once you've changed settings, on nano they may not save to memory (not the same as saving them to a file) unless you properly shut down. If you just plug in USB, they may be cleared by it rebooting for USB mode.
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03:36:40ttyfsckerPaul_The_Nerd:: is there not a quick way to tell me how to do that without having to load that bulky manual?
03:36:47ttyfsckerjust to play while charging
03:36:58Paul_The_Nerdttyfscker: Read the IpodFAQ page in the wiki then.
03:37:40Paul_The_NerdThe pages exist for a reason, and that's so that people can look there before asking questions. It'd kinda be silly if we didn't at least strongly suggest people go and read them first when they do ask here without checking them first.
03:41:12scorchettyfscker: om...interesting name >_>
03:42:38ttyfsckerthanks scorche
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03:48:05jhMikeSI'm a bit confused by something in Port Pin Assignments. For X5's GPIO28 it says "CS1-(A15, A14 selects LCD or USBOTG: 10=LCD 01=USBOTG). I though the CS1 line selected the chip. What chip lines are A14/15 connected to? Esp A15 for LCD.
03:51:39jhMikeSAnyone? Anyone?
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04:06:44ttyfsckeris the rockbox theme page down or something? i get a weird error when i try to load it
04:08:05BloodySorcererappears to be borken.
04:08:55Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: Don't expect quick responses to obscure hardware questions. The people who know these things aren't always around.
04:09:24jhMikeSPaul: Thanks. What's the best time?
04:11:44Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: It all depends on their schedules. You may want to try the developer's mailing list.
04:15:19*Paul_The_Nerd notes that it should never be 38C after 8pm.
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04:18:30earHertzl/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
04:19:02scorcheit is a goodthing someone didnt put their password int here too :P
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04:19:17scorche(this is why i always do it in the server window)
04:19:22earHertzso, uh, how do I chnage an irc password?
04:20:28scorche /ns set password
04:21:03earHertzl/ns set password scroche
04:21:43scorchedoesnt work like that anyway ;)
04:22:02jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: I'm American, I guess that's 100.4. Whew.
04:23:01earHertzthee are AMERICANS in teh channell???
04:23:16Paul_The_NerdearHertz: I'm from Texas. It's like two steps worse.
04:23:20BloodySorcererim amaerican?!
04:23:24earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: yes, yes it is
04:23:24Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: It was 114 at 3pm today.
04:23:24BloodySorcereramerican even!
04:23:33BloodySorcereraww, i'm sorry paul
04:23:40Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Fortunately I'm in Austin. The rest of the state likes to pretend like we don't exist.
04:23:42jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: Desert?
04:23:43earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: I hope you're in austin?
04:23:53BloodySorcereroh well, i'm from new york, so i get the permanent association with that big stupid city.
04:24:01BloodySorcereri want long island to secede from NY state.
04:25:02earHertzI want Texas to secede −− and take it's idiot with it.
04:25:06earHertzer, its
04:25:23earHertz(no, I don't mean Paul_The_Nerd )
04:25:30Paul_The_NerdHe's actually not *from* Texas. He just kinda acts like he is.
04:25:38Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure he remembers that he's not any more.
04:25:40earHertztrue that
04:25:42jhMikeSHola a todos los Tejanos1
04:26:34*earHertz chants Two More Years!
04:27:55BloodySorcererwhich is 8 years too lnog
04:28:03BloodySorcererbut thats another channel
04:41:06*jhMikeS Testing uno dos tres
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04:48:22*jhMikeS thinks great, the wiki's fried.
04:48:54Paul_The_NerdFried how?
04:49:20jhMikeSIt says: "TWiki Installation Error. Template "oopsblacklist" not found. Check the configuration setting for {TemplateDir}.
04:49:29Paul_The_NerdWhat page is giving that to you?
04:49:37jhMikeSiAudio port
04:50:12jhMikeSHmmm...just that one
04:50:26jhMikeSSo far...
04:50:56Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: Try again
04:50:58BloodySorcererWPS gallery is too
04:51:00BloodySorcereror was too
04:51:40jhMikeSThat one too still
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04:52:32Paul_The_NerdThe WpsGallery should be back now too.
04:52:43jhMikeSyep, got it
04:52:57Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure what was wrong, but it was fixable at least.
04:53:05jhMikeSiAudio port as well
04:53:26jhMikeSYou were doing work on it?
04:53:52Paul_The_NerdBut I was able to get to the "edit" page for it, then re-save the page.
04:53:57Paul_The_NerdI just couldn't get to the real page.
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05:00:14BloodySorcereri am bored.
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05:10:37jhMikeSIs there a way to create plugins independently of the main rockbox build?
05:11:20Paul_The_NerdNot at the moment.
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05:12:49jhMikeSHmmm...another thing. What about creating patches that only include some of the source because usually the entire source tree is in the diff. Does that mean file by file diffing?
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05:13:18Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean "entire source tree is in the diff"?
05:13:37Paul_The_NerdLike, you don't want *all* changes, just the ones in two or three files?
05:13:57Paul_The_NerdI think you can feed diff a list of files. I'm not terribly certain though, I'm not that strong with it.
05:14:34jhMikeShmmm...yeah, shell script or something
05:14:53Paul_The_NerdWell, I think you can just give it multiple filenames without a script.
05:15:14jhMikeSTrue, but I hate typing the same stuff again and again. :)
05:15:45Paul_The_NerdWell, why not create a patch of all the other changes once, then strip that patch before diffing.
05:15:59Paul_The_NerdOr, just have multiple source trees so your patches don't overlap
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05:16:56jhMikeSStrip out the parts I want in the final patch, right?
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05:18:08Paul_The_NerdWell I mean, you can diff everything.
05:18:23Paul_The_NerdThen *remove* from that diff the parts that are currently being worked on.
05:18:51Paul_The_NerdThen, when you want to create a patch of *just* the worked-on parts, patch -R the big diff, so that it leaves only those changes, then diff them.
05:19:00Paul_The_NerdAssuming you're only working on one set of things at once.
05:19:06jhMikeSIs it at all frowned upon to release patches that depend upon a previous patch? To keep each one to a specific purpose instead of a huge lump.
05:19:30Paul_The_NerdActually the patch tracker makes specific provisions for it.
05:19:36Paul_The_NerdYou can list one patch as depending on another.
05:19:51jhMikeSI saw that...not sure if there's a point of abuse or not.
05:20:31Paul_The_NerdIt's preferred that you *only* make it depend on another if it's reasonably logical for it to do so (like, having a plugin depend on a patch to the display code is okay, but having a keymapping patch depend on a display patch just because you didn't bother to sync it with CVS is not)
05:20:56jhMikeSGood ideas for that.
05:21:10BHSPitMonkeydoes someone want to help me with a little bit of iPod hard drive repair using linux
05:21:34jhMikeSWell, I was thinking: Display driver patch...patch that adds menu feature that depend on display driver.
05:21:35Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: So yeah, as long as the dependencies are functional ones, and not laziness ones, and as long as the functional once can be justified, it should be fine.
05:21:56BHSPitMonkeydespite the just-about-off-topic nature of the problem
05:22:28Paul_The_NerdWell, if the menu feature is an aspect of the new display code, like controlling it (ability to set bit depth on the driver level, and menu option for setting bit depth, as a random example) you'd generally include them as one patch.
05:22:29jhMikeSBHSPitMonkey: Noone's really talking about much else
05:22:34Paul_The_NerdBHSPitMonkey: What kinda problem you havin'?
05:22:48BHSPitMonkeythis hard drive's kind of gimped, possibly beyond repair
05:23:10Paul_The_Nerd'gimped, possibly beyond repair' is not one of the technical terms I'm familiar with. :-P
05:23:13BHSPitMonkeywhen I analyze it in testdisk, certain cylinders stop it in its tracks for periods of time
05:23:52JdGordonhey all
05:23:57Paul_The_NerdWell, if it's physical HD death, there's not too much you can do
05:24:13jhMikeSI'm just dividing driver features from user features...comparmentalize and all.
05:24:25BHSPitMonkeyare there any good utils for linux like "ScanDisk", that try and repair fixable problems in that area
05:24:34Paul_The_NerdYeah, but driver features, and the means of user control of that feature, should be included in the same patch in most cases.
05:24:49jhMikeSBHSpitMonkey: Save the neodymium magnets, nothing will fall off your fridge ever again. :)
05:25:28BHSPitMonkeyjhMikeS, hey now, try to keep a positive attitude about this :)
05:25:41BHSPitMonkeylet's not bury it before it's dead
05:25:58BHSPitMonkeyit's 7 months old, Apple -should- replace it
05:26:02BHSPitMonkeybut they're saying no
05:26:09BHSPitMonkeyI need to get on the phone with them
05:26:25jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: Ok...thanks
05:27:39jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: Just trying to learn "patch etiquette" :)
05:28:19jhMikeSBHSpinMonkey: The warranty is over? Or is there some provision in it about the hard drive. Maybe Toshiba will do it.
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05:29:54Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: There aren't really set rules, but it makes it easier if all aspects of a single feature are in one patch, with one feature / patch, I think.
05:31:43jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: Badger did tell me once basically to not release one huge patch that changes everything when I was talking about implementing a modular UI.
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05:33:01Paul_The_NerdYeah, with something that big, if you can break it into steps it's better. Fix/change one thing, make sure it doesn't break anything or lose the ability to do anything, move on. I mean, it kinda depends on how much you can break it down.
05:33:32Paul_The_NerdPatches that are necessary for working toward such an idea, but for the user simply remove functionality without replacing it don't to *too* much good outside of testing opportunities.
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05:33:59jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: I don't care to make changes for their own sake.
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05:34:41jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: And whaddya mean "remove functionality"? I'd be adding a lot of functionality.
05:35:25Paul_The_NerdjhMikeS: Well, for example, if the first step was to set up the framework for the modular system, but you hadn't implemented the menus in it, just uploading the framework patch removing the old menu would be silly if there wasn't a new one built in to replace it.
05:35:39Paul_The_NerdThat sort of thing
05:36:27earHertzquick, what's a two paramweter ANSI C function?
05:36:37jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: main?
05:36:49jhMikeSI mean earHertz.
05:36:51Paul_The_NerdI figured
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05:37:00earHertzer, not main. a linbraryu funct
05:37:02Paul_The_NerdI was thinking the same thing, but trying to come up with a better answer than that.
05:37:10Paul_The_Nerdprintf can be.
05:37:37earHertzno, only two
05:37:46jhMikeSexactly two, huh
05:38:12Paul_The_Nerdpow from math.h?
05:39:27jhMikeSfopen? or it that three?
05:41:18*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why you needed an existing two-parameter function
05:41:54*jhMikeS thinks why selected by parameter count?
05:42:09jhMikeSMust be a pop quiz.
05:43:09earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: pm me
05:43:56earHertzjhMikeS: trying to explain how to program
05:44:24jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: Back to that other thing. I'd probably modularize the existing UI first. Noone would see the difference out front.
05:45:43Paul_The_NerdWhich is ideal.
05:45:56jhMikeSearHertz: Ahhh...didactic.
05:46:29jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: I would include an alternative demo UI with it, just load it like a plugin.
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05:47:56jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: But I'm low on coffee and smokes...
05:56:37jhMikeSTime to see if I can get highspeed write mode to work and if it can actually speed things up...
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06:02:13earHertzjhMikeS: high speed wriote for what?
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06:06:08jhMikeSearHertz: For the LCD chip
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06:06:39earHertzwhich lcd?
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06:06:57sharpeearHertz: remember that malloc() code ye helped me on?
06:06:59jhMikeSX5. Write four words before GRAM is updated
06:07:15earHertzjhMikeS: cool
06:07:20earHertzsharpe: yeah?
06:08:31sharpeyep. i can't really be sure that it works, for the odd reason that writing to memory, then reading back the written value twice, gives the correct value on the first read, but on the second read, what it was originally. i figure it's something with my page mapping.
06:08:38jhMikeSBut the screen is rotated 90deg and horz. is really vert. The chip can only do it in horz. mode so I have to read bitmaps vertically so I don't know if the net result will be positive.
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06:09:35jhMikeSI'm saving my framerate stats and I proceed.
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06:10:07earHertzjhMikeS: yeah, metrics are good. f'r instance, on teh ipod lcd, c is fater than assm for large writes. (!!!)
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06:10:18earHertzjhMikeS: freenode is thrashing
06:11:02earHertzsharpe: debug the allocator entirely BEFORE you introduce pageing
06:11:26jhMikeSearHertz: But the C becomes assembly! QED.
06:11:42earHertzum, the C versus hand-coded asm
06:12:01jhMikeSI did some stuff and increased 1/4 screen updates by 20fps
06:12:14sharpeblar blar blar... paging, how i loathe thee.
06:12:14jhMikeSAND properly clip the drawing parameters
06:12:41jhMikeSSome loss or no gain on full screen
06:12:54jhMikeSBut HWM...that is the question. :)
06:12:58earHertzjhMikeS: how are you readinmg teh bitmaps?
06:13:47jhMikeSRight change from row
06:14:06jhMikeSearHertz: Or do you speak of something else.
06:14:21earHertzdon't do that
06:14:41jhMikeSearHertz: Don't do what?
06:15:01earHertzer, what do you mean by row? yiou read teh whole row, and erite that to a temp area, rottaing it?
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06:15:38jhMikeSNo...write the row to gram in order. I haven't changed that at all.
06:16:01jhMikeSIncrement the source address by word
06:16:21*earHertz is way to tired to think staright
06:16:49jhMikeSTo use HWM I'd have to increment the source address by the stride and the would write logically horizonally. No temp buffer needed.
06:18:49jhMikeSThe X5 LCD design is not so good. The rotaion prevents a function like lcd_roll from being implemented as a simple hardware remap.
06:19:17jhMikeSNot to mention complicating what I'm about to test.
06:20:00*earHertz nods
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06:28:05sharpeearHertz: seems to allocate correctly, just need to check if deallocation, then allocating works.
06:28:38earHertzI should apologize −− I'm really really tirees, so am not helpful
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08:33:36xerxes1358guys I have an iPod video but I am looking for an alternative os that allows a more easy way to structure my audiobooks and music. I want to have directory hierarchy etc... Can rockbox do that?
08:34:27xerxes1358and do I still have to convert all the video files ?
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08:35:46scorcherockbox will not play video files
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08:36:14xerxes1358so if I install rockbox I cant play any videos anymore ?
08:36:42scorcheif you want to play videos, you can boot into the original firmware
08:37:30xerxes1358will there be video function in the future ?
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08:38:10earHertzxerxes1358: i's unlikely, unless we can learn a lot more about teh broadcomm chip that processes teh video
08:38:20xerxes1358I see
08:38:33xerxes1358well Apple is going with nvidia I heard
08:38:41xerxes1358:-) that wont help me much though
08:38:43earHertzhowever, booting into the retail os isn't too onerous
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08:40:30xerxes1358any of you guys have ipod video too ? I have ripped some MP4 files with a special program specially for ipod but these files only play for like 2 or 4 minutes and then stop. On the computer they work fine though
08:40:38xerxes1358any idea why they dont work ?>
08:40:43earHertzxerxes1358: I have a 60gb ipod video
08:41:09earHertzxerxes1358: no idea. conversion suppport is flakey
08:41:17xerxes1358what application do you use ?
08:41:31earHertzvideora converts ok, and mp3encoder also, if you much with it
08:41:40earHertzer, muck
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08:41:53earHertzhonestly, I don't play videos much on teh ipod
08:41:58xerxes1358I used istuint
08:42:11earHertzoh, you must have a mac
08:42:23xerxes1358I bought one because of the video otherwise I would have bought other brands
08:42:28xerxes1358Yeah I have a mac
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08:44:07Jungti1234good job
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08:45:05Jungti1234By the way, where is file that Rock Paint save?
08:45:15Jungti1234save where?
08:46:34xerxes1358how about anapod
08:46:45xerxes1358does that have directory hierarchy and video ?
08:46:48earHertznrever used it
08:47:25earHertzxerxes1358: why do you want a dire hierarchy rather thna itunes style?
08:47:50xerxes1358I hate the itunes system
08:47:57xerxes1358is counter intuitive
08:48:03earHertzhuh, I like it
08:48:06xerxes1358I like to make my own structure
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08:59:12finiklinuxstb: here?
08:59:17Jungti1234anyone don't know?
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09:01:38finikanyone knows, do we have any implementation for serial protocol for ipod 5g implemented?
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09:10:58ravonDoes rockbox work at all with ipod version 3?
09:11:12ravonMy coworker wants to install it on his player.
09:11:36Zagorravon: yes, but playback stutters a bit still
09:12:03ravonZagor: Okidok, thanks
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09:22:53JdGordonfinik: not yet
09:23:45*Ribs installs rockbox again
09:25:54finikJdGordon: I am not talking about apple accessory protocol, but just uart through tx/rx, still no? :)
09:26:27JdGordonoh, prob not, but i dunno
09:28:37finikdo you know what kind of accessories can be run on ipod power, which pins, how is it controlled from SW and what current can I take from there?
09:29:24JdGordonthe ipodlinux wiki would be the best bet for u i tihnk.. iirc they have it all working
09:30:57RibsDoes rockbox now include the album art patch?
09:31:54peturRibs: no
09:32:08finikJdGordon: I know ipodlinux wiki by heart now already, reading it for 2 hours :)
09:32:24JdGordonJungti1234: a quick look at the rockpaint source suggests that you can choose where to save the pics
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09:33:22finikJdGordon: pjulius claims in his blog he powered his itrip using pin #17 (and this is not documented in wiki) with the help from linuxstb
09:34:12JdGordoni dunno, linuxstb will prob be around in the next while, so enjoy the idling atmosphere here :)
09:34:21finikhehe, thanks :)
09:35:33muesliimk ;)
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09:37:20*amiconn is reinstalling cygwin :/
09:38:52JdGordonhas any1 tried compiling the cross compilers with mingw in windows?
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09:40:14muesliisomeone around running windows and can help me with the media player?
09:40:48sharpeahah. windows media player will not install for my xp install.
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09:42:35peturamiconn: again?
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10:07:36Ribsis rockbox supposed to come with a fonts directory?
10:08:27peturnot anymore
10:08:46peturit's a separate download on the daily page
10:11:33Ribsis it possible to replace the default "rockbox" opening graphic
10:11:37Ribslike, when it first loads.
10:12:03peturif you build it yourself
10:12:05Jungti1234JdGordon: what's mean..?
10:12:16Ribswell, I'm too lazy for that
10:12:20RibsI'll just put up with it :>
10:12:37Ribsso the graphic is actually built into the software?
10:12:40Ribsit's not a seperate .bmp?
10:13:46Ribsdamn, no speex support
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10:13:50*Ribs will transcode!
10:14:05petursomebody was working on speex
10:14:18peturso it's probably coming
10:14:34Jungti1234please answer....
10:15:31*petur wonders what the question was
10:16:03RibsThe rockbox firmware has a simular bug to the Apple firmware
10:16:10Ribsmaybe it's just my iPod :>
10:16:13JdGordonJungti1234: i mean, you can save the pictures anywhere u want
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10:18:35ZagorRibs: what bug is that?
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10:18:45linuxstb_Ribs: Someone has implemented Speex support for Rockbox, but I'm not sure if it's on the patch tracker yet.
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10:19:55RibsZagor: The iPod will refuse to play *anything* until I reboot it
10:20:02RibsIt doesn't happen often
10:20:08Ribsbut it's a tad annoying when it does
10:20:46ZagorRibs: what happens when you try playing a file?
10:20:48markunJungti1234: Did you see what I added to the E10 wiki page?
10:20:53RibsZagor: nothing
10:21:08RibsWell, it shows the screen, as if it tries to play it
10:21:11Ribsbut nothing actually plays
10:21:14Ribsit gets 'stuck'
10:21:22ZagorRibs: more details, please. can you select a file? does it ever go into the wps?
10:21:31Ribsyes, the wps is visible
10:21:36linuxstb_Ribs: Does Rockbox become unresponsive:?
10:21:44Ribsoh no... rockbox continues to work just fine
10:21:51RibsI suspect it's the sound hardware failing at some point
10:22:01Ribscan't initialise or something
10:22:12linuxstb_Does the track time increase, or is it stuck at 0:00 ?
10:22:20Ribsdon't remember
10:22:27markunOT: Do you guys have any favorite SID tunes? I really like the one from Sanxion by Rob Hubbard
10:22:36RibsI'll try to reproduce, hold on
10:23:09Ribsokay, this is interesting
10:23:09Zagormarkun: I like most of Martin Galways tunes. ocean loader is a favorite.
10:23:09Jungti1234JdGordon: how?
10:23:20Ribswhen trying to open the speex file, it doesn't work, obviously
10:23:25Ribsbut now the iPod won't play anything
10:23:35RibsIt's not random, I can actually reproduce it now :>
10:23:47Ribslinuxstb: time stays at zero
10:24:00Ribsit seems to load the information about the track okay
10:24:07Ribsit just doesn't repond when I press play
10:24:31Jungti1234markun: yes, I saw now.
10:24:41Jungti1234nice link
10:25:07Ribswhen I do a reboot, I hear a pop in the headphones, not sure if that's normal
10:25:19linuxstb_It would be helpful if you could file a bug report, with the exact steps needed to reproduce. But if you say you get a similar problem in Apple's firmware, it does point to some kind of hardware issue. I can't recall anyone else with a similar problem.
10:25:36Jungti1234but it doesn't have datasheet.
10:25:40Ribslinuxstb: Well, the apple problem was different
10:25:42Ribsit was random
10:25:51RibsI'd go to use the iPod, and it wouldn't work
10:26:10Ribshowever, with this, when I play my speex file (well, try to play it), it seems to trigger the "I don't want to play anything now" bug
10:27:22peturRibs: does the time start to count or does it stay 0:00 ?
10:27:30Ribsstays at 0:00
10:27:48Ribsthe access icon on the wpa seems to stay stuck as well
10:27:59Ribsso I'm guessing that a function somewhere is never returning
10:28:11Ribsprobably from when I'm trying to play my speex file
10:28:16linuxstb_Ribs: Can you also reproduce without ever trying to play a Speex file?
10:28:26Ribslinuxstb: I don't know yet
10:28:36RibsI've only just started using RockBox again :>
10:28:55Ribsfor literally about 20 minutes
10:29:01*Ribs just attracts bugs :/
10:29:33peturrockbox shouldn't do anything when you click an unsupported file
10:29:43Ribsit goes into the wpa
10:30:04Ribsit's an .ogg extension on the file, so maybe it's thinking it's a vorbis?
10:30:06linuxstb_Ribs: I assume your speex file is called ".ogg" ?
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10:30:44RibsI see this in the wpa
10:30:46Ribsno file!
10:30:53Ribsif that means anything
10:31:05linuxstb_The .ogg parser _should_ spot that it isn't vorbis and reject it, but it sounds like it doesn't do that. But as we've got a speex decoder on the way, it's probably not worth fixing it.
10:31:09RibsIt's picked up the genre as "blues" −− I don't think that's right tho :)
10:31:41Ribsyeeah, and now it's not playing anything again :>
10:32:27peturlinuxstb: it shouldn't do that on a bad file tho
10:34:11linuxstb_Ribs: Which player are you using Rockbox on?
10:34:20RibsiPod Video (5g)
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10:40:29RibsIf you guys decide to fix it or whatever, I'll be happy to test it
10:42:38linuxstb_I'll at least try and see if I can recreate it.
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10:55:43*linuxstb is getting annoyed at people posting problems to the forum, followed a short time later with "Don't worry, I've figured it out" - but with no explanation to help other users with the same problem...
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11:00:43Zagorlinuxstb: yeah, that's a classic. reaaally helpful.
11:00:55JdGordonJungti1234: i dont know, i assume when you exit it the plugin it will ask if you want to save and show you the keyboard so u can type the filename
11:02:20*petur sometimes still answers the question, just so that the searchers will know the solution
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11:11:24RaeNyelinusn, are you alive?
11:18:35RaeNyeis anyone alive?
11:18:53Slasherino, everyone are dead
11:18:54JdGordongoodby cruel world
11:18:57*JdGordon dies
11:19:17JdGordonhmm... they arnt ready for me upstairs yet....
11:19:27*JdGordon walks among the living just for the hell of it!
11:21:06RaeNyeThey say on iaudiophile forum that the radio patch actually increases battery life for X5
11:21:25JdGordonhaha, wd
11:21:47*JdGordon saw RaeNye flincth... he is just nagging for the patch to be commited :D
11:22:06RaeNyewe might even overachieve OF
11:22:23*RaeNye doesn't care. His build *has* FM radio
11:22:33*JdGordon was joking
11:22:45RaeNyeand besides, my name is already in CREDITS ;-)
11:23:50RaeNyebtw, what exactly flincth /is/ ?
11:24:41JdGordonumm... i guess an involantary muscle jerk or something, indication your uncomfortable, or more generally made a funny movement meaning your lieing :D
11:25:07LinusNRaeNye: i'm here
11:25:15JdGordonhe's alliiiiiiiiiiiiive :D
11:25:21RaeNyehi linusn, wassup?
11:25:37LinusNloadza work, but otherwise i'm allright
11:26:09RaeNyeThis means you won't commit X5 stuff, right? :(
11:27:22RaeNyeIt's OK, we have two weeks until my DAP returns from the lab :)
11:28:00linuxstbRaeNye: Do you mean that the radio patch increases X5 battery life even if you're not using the radio?
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11:30:39LinusNRaeNye: what was wrong with your x5?
11:32:13RaeNyeit died
11:32:26RaeNyelinuxstb: yes, since it inits the chip
11:33:03RaeNyeSee discussion on
11:33:37RaeNye(13.5 H on X5 for RB)
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11:35:52markunRaeNye: quite a big difference with the radio and recoding patch
11:35:53LinusNRaeNye: died, how?
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11:37:04Jungti1234you can get datasheet?
11:37:23markunDon't know. I emailed Samsung but never got a reply
11:37:32markunI can try again
11:38:01RaeNyesuddenly. On saturday evening it didn't respond except for intermittent backlight flicker. Then, after 30 mins of trying to get it on, it resuscitated
11:38:11Jungti1234They don't answer.
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11:38:53RaeNyethe day after, it died while playing a song. Nothing helped, so I sent it to the lab
11:39:28*petur wonders how iaudio thinks about rb
11:39:34RaeNyethere were no experimental features on it, so I'm not sure why it did so
11:39:48RaeNyepetur: yes, it's only 3 months old
11:40:03*RaeNye heard they don't really care
11:40:16peturlucky you
11:40:46RaeNyethe question is what iaudio thinks about amateur soldering :)
11:41:03RaeNye(previous mishap)
11:49:28RaeNyewell, I'll be off for a while. See ya.
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11:52:27*dan_a wonders whether it would be a worthwhile task to try and make Rockbox compile with "-Os" on ARM processors
11:54:47markunJungti1234: I just wrote them another email. Let's hope for the best.
11:55:56markunWhen I asked them about the S3C2440 in my Gigabeat they emailed me (an older version of) the user's manual
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12:02:00DoubleThink2Could someone help me.... again... please =( ......?
12:02:29DoubleThink2after repartitioning the iPod.... iTunes doesn't recognise it as an iPod... and the apple instructions don't help
12:03:02DoubleThink2Can't format using any formatting tool for windows.... updater says "Can't mount iPod"
12:03:54DoubleThink2(iPod boots up normally)...... anyone?
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12:05:59markunDoubleThink2: did you try emergency disk mode?
12:06:36DoubleThink2there's an emergency disk mode?
12:06:43DoubleThink2....(as in not the regular disk mode?)
12:07:26DoubleThink2yeah I used one of those mbrs to repartition the iPod
12:09:50markunDoubleThink2: I was talking about "Whilst the iPod is rebooting, hold SELECT and PLAY together to enter disk mode."
12:10:01DoubleThink2ah yeah 'course
12:10:23DoubleThink2just wondering for what reason would iTunes not recognise the iPod even though... it's there.... in disk mode..... and if it's not in disk mode it boots up normally...
12:11:30markunno idea. I had similar problems with my sister's ipod last week.
12:12:42DoubleThink2I hate iTuned =)
12:13:49markunNever used it
12:14:23DoubleThink2yeah I just use rockbox.... but this is for someone else.... I doubt she will be bothered getting used to rockbox
12:15:09markunDoes she also hate iTunes?
12:16:06DoubleThink2I don't know... but she has been using it for ages.... and I will feel bad if I fix it but not perfectly
12:22:03DoubleThink2Think I will keep trying to format using the HP thing until it works....
12:22:28markunDoubleThink2: were you able to enter the disk mode?
12:22:34DoubleThink2yeah 'course
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12:23:06DoubleThink2heya linuxstb..... can I get some help again?
12:24:32DoubleThink2hmm damn.... but yeah.... I can get into disk mode and all
12:24:54linuxstb_Did you restore the firmware partition, and format the FAT32 partition again (after restoring the MBR) ?
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12:25:29DoubleThink2I did now...but I had the same problem before
12:25:39DoubleThink2before I formatted the FAT32 partition
12:27:27linuxstb_My advice is the same as before: 1) Restore the MBR; 2) Unplug and reattach; 3) Restore the firmare partition; 4) Format the FAT32 partiton; 5) Unplug and enjoy your ipod.
12:27:51DoubleThink2format using what?
12:28:06DoubleThink2(if I am on windows)
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12:28:20linuxstb_Why would you be on Windows? (I thought you had Linux installed?)
12:28:31linuxstb_This kind of this is much easier from Windows.
12:28:36DoubleThink2I do..... I need this iPod to be recognised by iTunes
12:28:37linuxstb_s/Windows/Linux/ :)
12:29:18linuxstb_The first thing is to restore correctly. Then you can try and fix any issues with Windows/itunes (but I can't help you there).
12:29:18DoubleThink2the iPod works fine with rockbox and all... but using apple OS.... can't upload songs onto it...
12:29:41linuxstb_So the Apple OS starts OK?
12:29:50DoubleThink2that all works fine
12:30:57linuxstb_Then there's not much I can suggest - ask Apple Support :)
12:31:29DoubleThink2hmm.... they don't have an IRC channel though do they? =(
12:32:35DoubleThink2it will be dodgy and through email and they will tell me to boot into disk mode and use the updater even though I would have written them in the email I tried it..... then they would reply after I clear that up for them and tell them to reinstall iTunes and other pointless stuff I allready tried... then eventually give up and tell me to send them the iPod for them to fix....
12:32:40DoubleThink2natural order of things
12:34:13linuxstb_I don't think many people here have even installed itunes... You could try just uninstalling it and using a different application to transfer music for Apple's OS if you want to use it.
12:35:01DoubleThink2I wouldn't use apple os if I had rockbox... but this isn't for me... fixing the iPod for a friend
12:35:50dan_aDoubleThink2: Can you see the files on the iPod in Windows Explorer?
12:36:49S0apIt boots into AppleFW, but itunes won't copy songs? Or itunes pretends it doesn't even see the ipod?
12:36:56dan_aWhen I got the can't mount iPod error, the only thing that worked was a system restore from the iPod Updater utility
12:37:39DoubleThink2the iPod mounts... the iPod Updater utility says "Can't mount iPod".... so I can't use that...... and iTunes pretends it doesn't see the iPod
12:37:41dan_aBut that zaps all the music on the drive, so try to back it up first
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12:39:00DoubleThink2nuh dan, my iPod is a bit more messed up than that
12:39:20S0apDoubleThink2 - I know you said you reinstalled itunes, but when? Wouldn't a failure of the itunes background service (forget the name) to load cause both those problems?
12:39:27markunBockBilbo: hi
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12:40:24DoubleThink2iPod service? yeah.... I reinstalled all the apple software before coming here..... but I think I will try it again because I didn't restart
12:40:27BockBilbowhat's the proper way to add album art support to rockbox on a 5 gen ipod?
12:40:42dan_aDoubleThink2: Mine had exactly the same symptoms after the battery died mid-transfer. Try selecting "Restore" from the iPod updater utility
12:40:45BockBilbois there any precompiled package mantained by someone?
12:40:59DoubleThink2no dan..... it doesn't work that way...
12:41:19DoubleThink2iPod updater utility doesn't get that far
12:41:28linuxstb_BockBilbo: Look for the "ipod experimental build" thread in the forums. That's an unofficial build with various patches, including the album art one.
12:41:28markundan_a: I had the same problem and the updater also fixed it
12:41:39S0apDoubleThink2 - because to me it sounds like the ipod works fine, the only problems I see are a failure of Apple software to interface with the ipod, and that sounds like a PC side failure of Apple software.
12:41:40BockBilbolinuxstb, thanks
12:41:43BockBilbogonna take a look
12:42:39DoubleThink2yeah thanks a lot S0ap, linuxstb and markun.... it's probably that I didn't restart..
12:42:48BockBilbolinuxstb, is this what you are talking about:
12:43:08safetydanwoo, didn't break the build
12:43:19linuxstb_BockBilbo: Yes.
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12:45:11BockBilbogreat! it also has the audioscrobbler plugin!!
12:45:23BockBilboby the way, how do people send their stats to
12:46:40JdGordonthere is a perl script u need to use
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12:47:01JdGordonor use
12:47:49BockBilboJdGordon, where can i find the perl script? at the forums?
12:48:05JdGordonye, umm.. its there somewhere :p
12:48:19PaulJamyou can get the script here:
12:49:39Slasherihmm, committing another tagcache update soon. Then it should be ready for users to start experimenting with the runtime db
12:50:22linuxstb_Slasheri: Did you abandon the idea of checksums?
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12:51:43Slasherilinuxstb_: yes
12:52:00Slasherii think alternative ways for doing that might be better
12:52:23Slasherifor example if file has been moved, we can compare other tags (artist, title, length) etc. to found a match
12:53:25Slasherifor example length and bitrate should never change
12:53:44linuxstb_I think it would be nice to use existing metadata where available. For example, in my rips I store the CDDB ID for the CD, and the track number. Also the MD5 checksum for FLAC, which I've mentioned before.
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12:54:58linuxstb_But then again, it's unlikely I'll ever rename my tracks, so it's not an issue.
12:55:01Slasherilinuxstb_: hmm, true. that might be possible in future
12:55:30Slasheribut it shouldn't be a problem to find the correct track if only filename has been changed
12:55:44Slasherithen it would be almost impossible if both tags and filename has been altered
12:56:30linuxstb_I think the main problem will be tracks which go from being completely untagged to being tagged - as a result of someone cleaning their collection.
12:57:09Slasheriif they have been tagged without changing the filename, it should be possible just to update the db
12:57:20Slasheri(not possible yet but could be in future)
12:57:52Slasherii have planned adding a file modified timestamp so tagcache could detect if tags has been updated
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12:58:20Slashericurrently it's just possible to export and import an ascii file containing the runtimedb data
12:59:12Slasherithat makes it possible not to lose data when tagcache version changes
12:59:23*amiconn still doesn't understand the point in having a runtimedb
12:59:28Slasheribut user needs to do manually the import/export
12:59:40Slasheriamiconn: hmm, how? i already use that to generate smart playlists
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13:00:22Slasheriamiconn: for example i listen to a tracks i have never listened (by runtimedb) for a few hours
13:00:36Slasherithen i go to bus and listen to tracks only which have score > 70%
13:00:54linuxstb_Does tagcache contain a "date added" field?
13:01:06amiconnYeah, that's where I don't get the point
13:01:11Slasherilinuxstb_: no any date fields yet
13:01:21amiconnI can decide myself what to listen to
13:01:35Slasheriamiconn: so i don't need to constantly use the skip button if i don't like to
13:01:37amiconnMusic I don't like gets deleted (or not added in the first place)
13:01:41PaulJamwhat if the length and the filemname changes, but the tags stay the same (e.g. if you cut silence at the end of the file and rename it to *.ed.mp3 to indicate that you have edited it). but i think this is a special case that doesn't necessarily have to be considered.
13:01:55Slasheriwithout runtimedb it would be necessary to skip tracks a lot
13:02:10*amiconn practically never skips
13:02:15BockBilbothanks a lot PaulJam
13:03:04Slasherihehe, sometimes it could take a lot of time to skip between tracks until you found something you would like to listen to
13:03:15Slasheriand after that track finishes, you have to skip more again..
13:04:02BockBilbois the album art patch supported on ipod videos?
13:04:08BockBilbo*video ipods
13:04:30linuxstb_It works on the video ipods, yes.
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13:05:55BockBilbommm sucks that on the experimental build doesnt
13:06:11BockBilboi guess im going to have to compile rockbox by my own
13:06:38DoubleThink2ok... I give up fixing my iPod.... 'night people
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13:07:23linuxstb_BockBilbo: What makes you think it doesn't work?
13:07:41BockBilbothis line: # Album Art Colour Only
13:08:15linuxstb_I assume that refers to it working only on ipods with colour LCDs.
13:08:24linuxstb_i.e. the Color/Photo, Nano, 5g
13:08:51Bg3rLinusN (regarding the twiki plugins) very good result, but what about the "diff" theme ?
13:09:08LinusNBg3r: working on it
13:09:18BockBilbobut then it also says that some other features work just for 5g
13:09:37BockBilbobut well, i could try
13:09:55BockBilbothough i first have to wait till apple sends me a new ipod
13:10:38*linuxstb_ goes for lunch
13:10:41*linuxstb_ is away: I'm busy
13:12:12*amiconn wonders about the way Slasheri is choosing music
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13:13:53Slasheriamiconn: i usually like shuffle all music i like on my player :)
13:14:15Slasheribut the problem is, there is also many tracks i don't like
13:14:37crwlthere must be unpredictable amounts of usage patterns which people use, or would use if their player supported them
13:15:08crwlthese smart playlist things are pretty popular on non-portable music players already
13:15:12BockBilboSlasheri, i have the same problem on amarok
13:15:31BockBilbothat's why i make a selection of the music for my ipod
13:15:59*amiconn wonders why people don't simply delete music they don't like
13:16:21*BockBilbo has music of his parents too, so he has to keep them
13:16:25*LinusN wonders why amiconn always speaks in third person
13:18:02PaulJamfor me it depends on my mood if i currently want to listen to a song or not, so sometimes i skip a lot when i listen in shuffle mode.
13:18:04Slasheriamiconn: that would make it hard to keep player in sync with pc and then it would contain incomplete albums
13:18:33amiconnHmm. Seems like I have completely different listening habits
13:19:04BockBilboPaulJam, thats right, it always depends on the mood, it sucks to hear happy music when someone is sad
13:19:31kerbI have a 60gb 5g so I carry a lot of party music that I don't like but people are usually quite happy that I have when I bring it
13:19:36crwlI'm often in a mood where I skip a lot of (especially slower) songs in an album, but I'd hate to not have those with me because I'm not always in such a mood
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13:19:59crwlthough I don't know whow smart playlists would help that
13:20:11crwlI could perhaps have a BPM tag or something, heh
13:20:24BockBilboamiconn, the reason why i have 60gig ipod is because i like carrying all my music on my pocket and it is obvious that im not going to like all the songs from each album i have
13:20:54BockBilbocrwl, that would be hallerious hehe
13:22:03BockBilboby the way, what music player do you guys use?
13:23:08amiconnI mostly listen to albums, and usually I like all songs from albums I keep. For the very very exceptions I have pre-made playlists that exclude 'bad' songs
13:23:34amiconns/very very/very few/
13:24:13BockBilboi do listen to full albums too, though i depending on the day I rather shuffle all the tracks i have
13:24:19amiconnWhen I'm not listening to albums, I make a shuffled playlist of a 'various' folder under a certain style
13:24:40BockBilboamiconn, how do you organize your music?
13:24:42amiconnI never shuffle all tracks on the player
13:25:40BockBilbolike, lets say, i have a folder called music and inside of it different directories for the artists/bands which have the album directories on them
13:25:44amiconnstyle ("genre") -> artist -> album
13:26:02BockBilbomm interesting
13:26:02Zagorhas anyone worked with GraphViz before?
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13:26:29ZagorI'd like to set the default background for the graphs in twiki
13:26:33BockBilbomy problem is that i havent tag my music files genre
13:26:46amiconnThe 'style' classification is rather coarse (ca. 10 folders)
13:27:03BockBilboits so hard for me to define which genre is one artist related to
13:27:28amiconnI also have very few tracks with genre tags
13:27:29ZagorBockBilbo: isn't your music directory awfully large, then?
13:27:45BockBilbozagor.... about 500-600 artist directories
13:28:16BockBilbommm my bad
13:28:22ZagorI split into broad meta-categories, like Classic, Rock, Electronica, Soundtrack etc.
13:28:25BockBilbo449 artis directories currently
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13:28:40ZagorGranted, the "Pop" directory is huge but at least it's not got spoken word in it
13:28:41amiconnThen I have a "various artists" artist entry and "various tracks" album entry in most folders
13:29:17amiconnStuff that doesn't belong to an album (singles and single tracks from albums I don't keep as a whole) go into "various tracks"
13:29:26BockBilboamiconn, i wouldnt be able to have my music that way hehe
13:29:34ZagorBockBilbo: why not?
13:30:01BockBilboi guess i like to have all groups gathered together
13:30:20BockBilboi also have other song folders, as amiconn has
13:31:09BockBilbobut for b-sides, i usually have a folder called "singles" on which i create diferent folders for each Single CD name
13:31:17BockBilboon which i put the b-side songs
13:31:39PaulJamif i would organize my music by genre, i guess i would propably have a problen to find a specific band/song afterwards.
13:32:01BockBilboappart from that, there are lot of bands that dont belong to a single genre
13:32:01amiconnZagor: So your categories are like my "style" classification then
13:32:25Zagoramiconn: yeah. I think most us old archos-heads do it this way.
13:32:26BockBilboamiconn, i guess they are
13:32:27amiconnBtw, I have the various style directories in the root. No separate 'music' directory
13:32:35Zagorsame here
13:32:55amiconnFor data carrying purposes, I have a .data directory
13:33:10amiconnThis way it's hidden during normal use
13:33:29BockBilboamiconn, i rather have a music diectory.... dont ask me why
13:34:01BockBilbowhan i used rockbox on my iriver ihp140 i also had a games folder
13:34:15BockBilboon which i had diferent .gb and .gbc files for rockboy
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13:34:38FebsI'm building sims for the various platforms. The sims work, but they show only the display, with the picture of the jukebox.
13:34:42BockBilboi could also have a notes directory to put notes that i would read later on
13:35:22BockBilbohello Febs
13:35:48BockBilboZagor, amiconn PaulJam do you guys use GNU/Linux, XBSD, Win or mac?
13:35:57Zagorlinux here
13:36:01FebsSo I can't tell what the buttons are (which is the reason I'm building the sims in the first place).
13:36:21PaulJamFebs: to have the picture, start the sim with −−background
13:36:21BockBilboZagor, which distro?
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13:36:53FebsPaulJam: Thanks, that's what I needed to know.
13:36:55ZagorBockBilbo: debian
13:37:06BockBilbohave you tried the ipodlinux installer on it?
13:37:17PaulJamBockBilbo: sometimed ubuntu and sometimes WinXP
13:37:27BockBilboPaulJam, i use to work that way to
13:37:38BockBilboi finally migrated to ubuntu this past year
13:38:32BockBilboone of the things i hate about the apple firmware for ipods is the way they obfuscate the file names
13:38:35BockBilbothat sucks
13:39:05ZagorBockBilbo: if they didn't, you would be tempted to not use iTunes... :-)
13:39:20BockBilbothat's true
13:39:36BockBilbothat's one of the reasons I don't like propietary software
13:40:09amiconnBockBilbo: Mainly windows, linux for some things (but not for copying music from/to rockboxes
13:40:23BockBilboamiconn, why not?
13:40:49BockBilboi rather use linux than win for copying music from / to rockboxes
13:41:15amiconnBetter (/better functioning) tools for windows than for linux
13:41:35BockBilboi dont agree with you on that
13:41:46amiconnWith tools I mainly mean ripping (eac + lame) and tagging (The GodFather)
13:41:58BockBilbotry out easytag
13:42:05Slasherii use kaudiocreator for ripping and easytag for tagging
13:42:09BockBilbosound converter
13:42:09Slasheriboth are great tools
13:42:15amiconnOther than that, I just need a file browser for copying
13:42:19BockBilboand sound juicer
13:42:37BockBilboappart from that
13:42:38amiconnI had a look at soundjuicer. Ugly thing
13:42:47_FireFly_amiconn: or simply mc ;)
13:42:49amiconnGrip is ok, but I'm used to eac
13:42:50BockBilbobut it works though
13:43:04_FireFly_i use abcde for ripping and encoding
13:43:07PaulJamfor ripping and tagging and such stuff i prefer windows too.
13:43:12BockBilboappart from that scp to copy files from remote servers using ssh
13:43:22BockBilboPaulJam, why's that?
13:43:29amiconnI don't keep my main music collection on any pc
13:43:37crwli use kaudiocreator and amarok
13:43:39BockBilboamiconn, mine is on my own server
13:43:56BockBilboso is reachable by any computer at my home
13:43:57amiconnI rip CDs, then move the files over to players, then delete from PC
13:44:01PaulJamthere is no replacement for eac under linux, and i haven't found a replacement for mp3tag.
13:44:15_FireFly_PaulJam: try easytag
13:44:18BockBilboPaulJam, what does mp3tag do?
13:44:26BockBilboi bet easytag will replace it better
13:44:32BockBilboyou have a win version to try it out
13:44:33amiconnPaulJam: Have a look at grip. It's ok, and uses cdparanoia for ripping
13:44:34Zagorwhat does eac do that is not available in linux?
13:44:36Slasherieasytag is _very_ powerful
13:44:39Nibblerfor mp3tagging i use mp3cddb (uses freedb and rocks)
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13:44:47BockBilboit is
13:45:00BockBilboNibbler, thats for win or linux?
13:45:09amiconnI never uses cddb/freedb for automatic tagging
13:45:18BockBilboNibbler, i never heard about thosprograms
13:45:22amiconnToo many typos in tags, on always different style
13:45:23BockBilboi guess i should try them
13:45:26PaulJami haven't found out how i can show all tags of the files at once in columns, in easytag i can only see the tags of the selected file.
13:45:42FebsHow does one enter the file browser on the Ondio?
13:45:49NibblerBockBilbo, with mp3cddb you just run it in like 3 instances, as db-lookups take some time and you can tag like hell :D
13:45:50amiconnSometimes all caps, sometimes all lowercase, sometimes proper case...
13:45:52BockBilboamiconn, i use the cddb/freedb info and then check it to fit my needs
13:46:14Slasherion linux, if everything goes well, there is just need to insert disc into cd driver and wait it coming out. No need for user to do anything in between
13:46:14Nibblerits half-automatic only, you have to check which version he should use to avoid what amicann talks about
13:46:36BockBilboNibbler, i see
13:46:57BockBilbobut then you could use easytag to set a common capital letter rule
13:47:34PaulJamamiconn: is there a ripping program for linux that supports the AccurateRip database?
13:47:34NibblerBockBilbo, mp3cddb also rename/moves files
13:48:07Nibblerso you get an album of mp3 and it moves it perfectly into your collection :]
13:48:08*amiconn needs to look up what AccurateRip is
13:48:11BockBilboim gonna copy all of this to a tomboy note
13:49:16BockBilbopetur, tomboy is a mono program mostly for gnome to keep track of little notes on the system tray
13:49:19NibblerTomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Linux and Unix. It is simple and easy to use, but has the potential to help you organize the ideas and information you deal with every day.
13:49:33BockBilboNibbler, description is better
13:49:44Nibbler...had freshmeat still up as i was looking up easytag :D
13:49:45BockBilboi mean Nibbler's
13:50:04PaulJamamiconn: it is some kind of database of checksums of ripped tracks, so if someone else has the same checksum you can be sure that your rip was accurate.
13:51:50BockBilboany of you know if its finally possible to watch videos on a 5 gen ipod using an opensource os? Rockbox or IPL basically...
13:53:06markunBockBilbo: probably with ipl
13:53:34BockBilbomarkun, ive read that it doesnt work for "video ipods"
13:53:37*linuxstb_ is back (gone 00:42:56)
13:53:41BockBilbohey linuxstb
13:54:15BockBilbothough, im hopefully wrong
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13:55:39JdGordonLinusN: you around?
13:55:57BockBilbowould you guys add any other patches appart from the ones showed here ( to a rockbox build? If some cool patches are missing i might compile it by my own
13:56:17amiconnPaulJam: If I use the secure ruipping routines of EAC, I think I can be sure the rip was accurate even without a database
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13:58:09PaulJamamiconn: but it "feels" better to have it confirmed by a database :)
13:58:27JdGordonhmm.. guess not...
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13:59:29JdGordonanywho, im bored and got a bit of time on my hands, can anyone let me know what needs to be done to the dirwalker patch so it can be commited? i know im being annoying, but i dont like working on more than 1 tihng at a time in the codde :p
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14:00:21PaulJamBockBilbo: here is a nice patch that is not included in the ipod experimental build:
14:00:30markunBockBilbo: why do you think those patches will be added?
14:00:38JdGordonalso, if anyone wants to comment on the thread about the button loop replacement thingy in the mailing list it would be appreciated
14:00:53BockBilbomarkun, added where?
14:01:12linuxstb_amiconn: If you don't use cddb or freedb, how do you tag/name your tracks?
14:01:51markunBockBilbo: never mind, I probably misinterpreted your question
14:01:58BockBilboi just dont find it usefull to compile a personalized rockbox if there is no other interesting patches appart from the ones of that experimental build
14:02:06BockBilbomarkun, ;)
14:02:49BockBilbomarkun, sorry ... i guess sometimes i might have problems explaining myself in english
14:02:57BockBilboim a native basque and spanish spoker
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14:03:33markunmany non-native speakers here (including myself)
14:04:04amiconnlinuxstb: By hand.
14:04:17markunBockBilbo: If you are borred you could write a basque (euskara?) translation for rockbox :)
14:04:38BockBilbomarkun, your right, euskara or euskera
14:04:52BockBilbowell, i rather program than translate
14:04:59markunme too :)
14:05:38BockBilboi have translated some apps before and i really get so pissed of when having to traslate like 10000 lines
14:05:57BockBilbohow many lines have to be traslated into rockbox?
14:06:06BockBilboi might take a look on it
14:06:21JdGordonabout 10000 :D
14:07:00FebsOn the Ondio, when music is playing, what should a long press of the Mode button do?
14:07:10amiconnFebs: Bring up the context menu
14:07:28FebsOK. Is there a way to bring up the Main Menu on the Ondio while music is playing?
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14:07:39BockBilboanyway, any link to the po file?
14:07:49amiconnFebs: Yes. From the context menu, a _short_ press of Mode will show the main menu
14:08:00pixelmaFebs: it's already in the manual ;)
14:08:38S0ap<Zagor> what does eac do that is not available in linux?. EAC not only rips in secure mode, disables caching, allows you to set the read and write offsets of a particular drive, it also produces excellent logs of all the results.
14:08:42FebsHa ha! Actually, I'm testing patch 5294 on other platforms and I just want to make sure it's not causing any unintended behavior.
14:09:06amiconnS0ap: grip can do all that
14:09:42markunBockBilbo: look in apps/lang
14:09:47amiconn(and unlike sound juicer, you can actually control what it does)
14:09:55markunThere are 'only' 617 lines to translate
14:10:07BockBilbonot that bat
14:10:42S0apamiconn - hmm, need to look into that, then.
14:11:22linuxstb_I didn't think there was a ripper that disabled caching available for Linux...
14:12:44S0apTo be honest, I _assumed_ EAC's stack of features was unique, or else bernet would allopw grip.
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14:19:29*S0ap kills chat again.
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14:34:48ZagorI wonder if the wiki would be easier to use if we split up user and developer information in two different webs
14:35:21Zagor...or if we'd just end up crosslinking everything anyway
14:35:29linuxstb_Is there much user information left now we have an up-to date manual and a separate themes site?
14:35:43linuxstb_(and hopefully an online html manual soon)
14:38:16HadakaI think 1.0 should be halfway between the point where the where the sales people are already selling it as the final version and the point where the developers think it is solid
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14:41:46BockBilbois there any patch to switch of the device before the battery goes totally off?
14:42:36*petur thinks gl put one in the tracker
14:42:41ZagorBockBilbo: you mean idle shutdown or while playing?
14:43:02Zagorwe've had idle shutdown for years
14:43:39BockBilboi remember that when using rockbox on my old iriver, everytime the battery was about to run out, the player was switched off eventually, without a proper procedure
14:44:42peturerrr... gl posted a bugreport, Jvo posted a patch ( )
14:45:54ZagorBockBilbo: the price of controlled low-battery shutdown is decreased run time
14:45:54BockBilbopetur thanks
14:46:13BockBilboZagor i know
14:46:26BockBilbopetur, that patch talks about iriver
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14:46:45BockBilbodo you guys know if this problem also happens on the ipods?
14:46:46S0apdecreased run time as in it sucks juice to implement? Or decreased runtime in that it shuts off the device earlier than it otherwise would?
14:48:06BockBilboby the way, ive found a death link on the wiki
14:48:07BockBilbothough that's for
14:48:09BockBilbonot that
14:48:23BockBilbolocated at
14:48:54loua death link?
14:48:58louwho killed it?
14:49:40BockBilbohehe.. dont make fun of me... "un enlace muerto"
14:50:20BockBilboit should be
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14:51:17peturBockBilbo: fixed
14:51:35peturit is a wiki, you can edit it too ;)
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14:53:24ZagorS0ap: the latter - it shuts down earlier
14:55:23linuxstb_BockBilbo: Yes, Rockbox doesn't shut down on low battery on the ipods either. But the hardware will shut itself down before the battery is 100% empty.
14:55:36A_MAnyone here familiar with the tagcache/tagtree code? I'm trying to make sense of it. What's the difference between search clauses and search filters?
14:56:02S0apI /assumed/ that, linuxstb - many deviced with LiIon batts do that.
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14:56:34S0apso the only problem in that situation is a failure to save state?
14:56:53BockBilbolinuxstb_, so i gues that it wont act as on the irivers, when everytime the battery runs out it feels like when you unpluge a computer that is on
14:57:27bluebrotheragain problems with the wiki?
14:57:45bluebrotherI get Template "oopsblacklist" not found. when trying to access it.
14:58:19Zagorbluebrother: trying to access what?
14:58:22linuxstb_BockBilbo: I don't understand what you mean.
14:58:45Zagorbluebrother: hmm, you could be blacklisted... :-)
14:58:54peturZagor: wiki main page
14:58:57linuxstb_Rockbox doesn't do a clean shutdown in that situation, if that's what you're asking.
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14:59:05peturI get the page too
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14:59:16bluebrotherZagor: tried the wiki main page
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14:59:48pixelmaZagor: the same here
15:00:01peturonly the main page, the others work
15:00:22Zagorhaha, me too now. weirdo
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15:01:09MoosHi here !
15:02:44MoosLinusN/Bagder: any luck to have recording and radio patch for iaudios in CVS please?
15:03:04linuxstb_Moos: Bagder's on vacation...
15:03:16Moosoops, ok
15:03:24Mooslucky him
15:03:33MoosI'll go Saturday ;)
15:04:14bluebrotherlucky you ;-)
15:04:37MoosLinusN: I remenber you asked RaeNye to check his patches for see if all good for all platforms, and it seems it is now
15:04:40Mooshehe :)
15:05:35bluebrotherZagor: I'm mostly finished with preparations to generate a html version of the manual, but I'm unsure how I should integrate it into the building.
15:05:43BockBilbosorry linuxstb_ i was away
15:06:39linuxstb_bluebrother: Have you managed to get anywhere with modifying the makefiles?
15:07:02amiconnZagor: You're right about the decreased runtime, but it seems the price of controlled shutdown is much lower on LiIon/LiPo than it was on NiMH
15:07:04bluebrotheryes, I modified manual/Makefile and manual/Makefile.pdflatex
15:07:15amiconnLiIon has a much more predictable discharge curve
15:07:28bluebrotherthe problem is that there is no target I could use in the generated Makefile.
15:07:31S0apthere are DAPs out there with LiPo?
15:07:46BockBilboi meant that when I used rockbox on my old iriver ihp140, when the device was about to run out of batteries it felt just the same as when you disconnect a running computer from the power source of your wall.
15:08:01amiconnI think if we do a shutdown at 3.5V, this should be safe and only cost about 15..20 minutes of runtime
15:08:01bluebrotherI could use the way it already is used for the manual, thus always building both manuals
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15:08:09linuxstb_bluebrother: Can't you just add a new one - e.g. "html:" which is run by typing "make html"
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15:08:55bluebrotherlinuxstb_: this would require changing the generated Makefile (i.e. the generation of that file) which I'm not capable of.
15:09:05A_Mhuh? anyone else unable to access wiki due to "Your IP address is blacklisted"?
15:09:14LinusNtry again
15:09:27bluebrotherI added a new target to the Makefile that gets put into the manual/ subfolder of your build dir when you build the manual.
15:09:37A_Mwee! working...
15:10:01linuxstb_bluebrother: You mean you don't know how that Makefile is automatically generated?
15:10:10bluebrotherLinusN: wiki frontpage comes up again for me :)
15:10:38bluebrotherlinuxstb_: the makefile is generated from tools/configure, but afaik I can't change anything there.
15:10:55linuxstb_You should be able to - just modify the configure script like any other file..
15:11:55pixelmaLinusN: now wiki is working - except the CustomWPS page (what I can try out of my bookmarks)
15:12:35LinusNpixelma: what about it?
15:13:03pixelmaI still get the black listed notificatin - but other pages work
15:13:19_FireFly_do you realy use the autotools (automake autoconf and co) ? or do you have a self-written configure-script
15:13:24LinusNpixelma: and now?
15:13:28bluebrotherneed to leave for some time. Be back in a couple of minutes.
15:13:48pixelmaLinusN: no change
15:14:45LinusNpixelma: weird, the blacklist is empty
15:15:35Mooshere the same blacklist error
15:15:48pixelmanow it's working again :)
15:16:03_FireFly_maybe a browser caching problem ;)
15:16:47Zagor_FireFly_: actually it was a caching error, but in twiki
15:16:49Moosyeah here to wiki works again here too
15:17:37SlasheriA_M: search clauses can filter results by some expressions, such as genre = "something" and score > 70. Search filters allow only filtering based on some tag seek value, for example searching all albums where artist seek value is something
15:18:57MoosSlasheri: while you are around, a question please
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15:19:14SlasheriMoos: sure, but i need to go soon (in 5 min.) :)
15:19:15A_Mand what exactly are tag seek values?
15:19:31SlasheriA_M: they are returned by tagcache when doing earlier searches
15:19:54SlasheriA_M: for example searching all artists, and then selecting seek value from one artist to search all albums by that artist
15:20:17A_Mah, ok! thanks a lot!
15:20:30Slasherithat is faster filtering method than implementing it as search clauses
15:20:31Slasherinp :)
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15:21:12Mooswhat is the difference btw update now and initilize now in Tagcache
15:21:48Moosand why the update now string isn't translatable?
15:22:10SlasheriMoos: update adds new files and removes entries for deleted files
15:22:28Slasheriinitialize removes the whole db (including runtimedb data) and recreates it
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15:22:41Moosoh ok, thanx
15:23:12Moosand do you know why the "update now" string isn't language depending?
15:23:35Slasherihmm, it should work if added to the correct lang file
15:23:38Slasheribut back soon ->
15:24:03Moosok, have fun and c you
15:25:11MoosZagor: how can I add my name to the twiki users please?, it seems I'm not
15:27:01lowlightHmmm...safetydan's replaygain commit disallows replaygain tags in TXXX fields for id3v2.4.
15:27:25lowlightI think that's foobar2000's default way of tagging replaygain.
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15:27:36lowlightCan someone with foobar2000 check?
15:33:00S0apI use 0.8.3 w/o v2.4 tags. None of my hardware players support them properly. (DVD player, car stereo, etc)
15:35:35PaulJamis it a bug, that in the textviewer it isn't possible anymore to scroll left/right in small steps by holding play+left/right ? or was that feature removed for some reason?
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15:40:00Moosbye all !
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15:44:59A_MSlasheri: back yet? if not please give me a shout if you read this when you do get back
15:49:57bluebrotherZagor: is there a preferred way the html manual should be outputted (for making it available on the website)?
15:50:33lowlightLooks like foobar > 0.9 uses id3v2.4 and puts replaygain in TXXX fields.
15:50:41Zagorbluebrother: what are my options? :)
15:51:14lowlightI suspect safetydan's commit will disable replaygain for some users.
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15:51:44bluebrotherat the moment I want to output it to a subfolder of the build folder and all manuals are named identical (rockbox-build.html)
15:51:59linuxstb_bluebrother: Most html manuals I've seen online come in two versions - a version as a single long page, and a version split into smaller pages.
15:52:14linuxstb_So you're just creating a single file at the moment?
15:52:18bluebrotherI guess it would be better to have them more distinguishing names (like manual-h300.html)
15:52:38bluebrotherlinuxstb_: no, but all files start with that prefix
15:52:49bluebrotherso that's the name of the start file.
15:53:25bluebrotheras the manuals share the screenshot I thought it would be good to have them named after the player (like the mentioned manual-h300.html)
15:53:50linuxstb_So you're planning to put all the html manuals in a single folder, sharing images?
15:53:53bluebrotherotoh we could just leave it like it is and put them in a subfolder.
15:54:24bluebrotherlinuxstb_: that was my idea. htlatex uses the subfolder structure that the source has for images, so I thought to keep that.
15:54:56bluebrotheralso, building the manual as one single page gets as big as about 500kiB+
15:55:04Zagorbluebrother: how many html files are each manual?
15:55:18bluebrotherso I'd prefer splitting them by chapter.
15:55:49bluebrotherZagor: as much as there are chapters (including appendix sections). Can't check it atm as I'm not at my devel environment.
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15:56:09bluebrothersomething around 10 IIRC.
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15:56:34Zagorthen I have no problems keeping the all in one dir
15:57:03Zagordo you have them somewhere I can look?
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15:57:54bluebrotherI'll try to finish the Makefile work tonight. I have a preliminary manual page set up (but that's still 1 file / manual)
15:58:26bluebrotherif you want to have a look on that go here:
15:58:48bluebrotherbut I can update that for you later today.
15:59:18linuxstb_Wouldn't it be easier to just have a sub-folder for each manual? That way, they are all self-contained, and you wouldn't need to prefix the html files with a unique prefix.
15:59:46Zagorbluebrother: can you make a summary of all the css classes used? we may want to jazz up the looks a bit
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16:00:17bluebrotherlinuxstb_: that was the reason I was asking, but would introduce a lot of the screenshots being redundant.
16:00:21Zagorsubdir or prefix both work for me
16:00:39bluebrotherok, then I'll leave the subdir for now.
16:00:58bluebrotherZagor: the classes are auto-generated. Haven't looked into them
16:01:21bluebrotherbut afaics we could overwrite most of them with their global tags.
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16:02:06bluebrotherand simply import that stylesheet. Or mod_rewrite the old stylesheet to a new one which includes the old one ;-)
16:02:41bluebrotheralso, htlatex allows adjusting the css. Another thing I haven't looked in for now.
16:02:42Zagorugh :)
16:03:23bluebrotherIf you're not in a hurry for this I can try adjusting the style to the style of, but I won't have much time in the next weeks.
16:04:01bluebrotherback to the makefile: atm you can build the html by calling make -C manual html from the builddir.
16:04:01Zagorlet's do it itertively. we'll get it out there first, then prettify it
16:05:00bluebrotherthat was my intention too. I guess mostly blind people are waiting for the html manual ;-)
16:05:37Zagorit's not a bad thing to get it googled, though. can help (the few) people who search before asking.
16:06:33bluebrotherto build you need tex4ht installed if you haven't already:
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16:11:25bluebrotherok, I'll be back later. I hope to finish the manual stuff today. Unfortunately RL occupies me pretty heavily. cu
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16:12:16peturoh no, that hawaian again ;)
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16:33:14JdGordonif anyone is looking for a good way to spend an evening with drinks and mates, hire the wondershowzen dvds and watch them
16:33:18JdGordonfarking hilarious
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16:41:16Zagor...but I'll be watching! ;-)
16:41:18*petur tomorrow morning :)
16:41:29Zagorbye all
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16:55:52dan_aHas anyone experimented with using different compiler optimisations for Rockbox?
16:56:05*petur points to amiconn
16:57:43dan_aI've done builds which I'll test in the next couple of days using -Os, -O2 and -O3
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16:59:13linuxstb_I think the codecs define their own -O options in apps/codecs/[libname]/Makefile - did you change it there as well the main Makefile?
17:02:05dan_aNo, I didn't... I assumed that anything which overrode the default did it for a reason
17:05:55dan_aI'm going to end up with so many builds of Rockbox to test - I've got 4 already!
17:06:18amiconn-O2 is slower for arm, as is -O3
17:06:41amiconn-O3 might not work at all
17:07:25amiconnSomeone should try to get thumb code to work
17:07:30linuxstb_Maybe libmad shouldn't be using -O2 then...
17:08:14amiconnCertainly worth a try
17:08:15dan_aWhat's the advantages of thumb code?
17:08:23amiconnI only experimented with the core
17:09:12amiconndan_a: standard arm instructions are 32bits, thumb instructions are 16bits. Less data to load, especially useful with a 16bit memory interface
17:09:18amiconn(which the ipod uses afaik)
17:09:59dan_aThat sounds worth experimenting with
17:10:12amiconnOf course there is a tradeoff, otherwise one would always use thumb code: the instructions are more limited (i.e. addressing modes missing and such)
17:10:26amiconnThat means code size isn't cut exactly in half
17:10:58linuxstb_dan_a: Also, don't assume that anything that's been done to optimise for other targets will be optimal for the ipods - almost all the codec optimisation so far has been for the irivers (Coldfire CPU).
17:11:05amiconnWe also need to be very careful about interrupt handlers then. Interrupt handlers must use arm code
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17:52:24dan_aAs a general rule, what is the best way to give a compiler option to some files and not others?
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18:36:27GnelikWho knows how work with Sandisk e200 goes
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18:37:36markunGnelik: focus is now to understand the firmware update files:
18:38:47GnelikHow long will it continue or u cant say now????
18:39:02markuncan't say
18:39:41GnelikDid you ask Sandisk for some sdk's or doc's?
18:39:57markunread the first link. All the info is there.
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18:41:11GnelikThei didnt givi it i understand
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18:51:28webguest78anybody wanna commit this - ? having NAVI as the H300 string might not be a good idea as i think it's referred to as SELECT everywhere else
18:52:08PaulJambut the button has "NAVI" written on it.
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18:53:00PaulJamand often people tend to not read the documentation.
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18:54:00FebsIt should be NAVI, IMO. Anything else would be confusing.
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18:56:32webguest78sounds fine - but a commit should happen, it can't exactly break anything can it?
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18:58:54linuxstbI don't know if voice can handle per-target strings yet... (amiconn ?) At least, there are no target-specific voice files in the wiki.
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19:00:48jhMikeSHello. What symbols are defined during a build to tell if the bootloader is being built?
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19:02:28jhMikeSI've seen "BOOTLOADER". Is that it?
19:03:34jhMikeSlinuxstb_: Thanks
19:05:19jhMikeSRaeNye: I've gotten that BL flashing you were talking about when inserting/removing the unit from the cradle. It even happened after flashing the OF. Seems to happen if you make a move too soon.
19:09:11*linuxstb_ has been blacklisted on the twiki :(
19:11:31bluebrotherlinuxstb_, do you think it's ok if I name the targets manual-pdf, manual-html and manual-zip?
19:11:48*linuxstb_ discovers he isn't blacklisted on all pages... Just IpodFAQ...
19:12:31linuxstb_What's in the zip file? html or pdf?
19:12:48bluebrotherhtml. pdf wouldn't make sense IMO.
19:13:11ender`isn't PDF already compressed
19:13:14*Lear is blocked there too...
19:13:49LearPDF can be compressed (to a large degree at least)...
19:13:51amiconnlinuxstb: There are plans to make voice files target specific. (1) It will save space by not including unneeded clips (e.g. radio on ipod) (2) It will allow to use different codecs per target
19:14:01*amiconn is waiting for speex support
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19:15:27linuxstb_Is voice a reason not to commit the "NAVI for yes" patch yet?
19:16:23linuxstb_bluebrother: Also, can you generate both single-page and multi-page versions of the html manual?
19:16:49bluebrotherI could, but this isn't integrated in the Makefile yet.
19:17:05amiconnAnother thing I am waiting for is a clarification about the legal status of at&t voice files. Cassandra wrote a letter to at&t, but unfortunately she disappeared almost 2 months ago... :(
19:18:08amiconnNAVI for yes is just one tiny spot of a required langv2 rework
19:19:47finiklinuxstb: Hi, I understood from pjulius blog that you helped him connect his itrip, can you please give me a pointer to the code where you had to enable acc. power supply?
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19:21:24linuxstb_It's in CVS already - it was just a few lines to enable the power outputs in the dock. So if your itrip doesn't work, then I don't know anything else to try.
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19:22:15finiklinuxstb: I'm trying to do something else, not iTrip
19:22:22finiklinuxstb: and I need 5v :)
19:22:56linuxstb_The relevant CVS commit was on the 2 May 2006 - search for it in this page:
19:23:39finiklinuxstb: it is just on ipodlinux dock page they say pin #18 is stepped up to 5v in some cases, I don't understand how is it done and whether I can control it from software
19:24:03linuxstb_The code is in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c - the pcf50605_init() function. The datasheet for the pcf50606 should be in the wiki.
19:24:11finiklinuxstb: another wird thing is pjulius claims he used pin #17, which is undocumented
19:24:15finiklinuxstb: thanks!
19:26:14finiklinuxstb: while yo're here, is there any implementation of serial in rockbox? not acc.protocol, but just plain read/write byte through tx/rx there?
19:27:35linuxstb_No, nothing for the ipods. IPL has drivers for both the 3G (PP5002) and 4G+(PP502x), but I've been told by the devs that they could never get the 4G to talk to anything - i.e. it doesn't work.
19:28:18finikdidn't they connect to all kinds of keyboard etc?
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19:28:41linuxstb_Maybe on the 3G, but not the 4G AFAIK.
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19:29:06finikand I assume by 4G you mean 5G as well?
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19:30:03linuxstb_Yes - this is all dependent on the CPU - the 3G has a PP5002, and the 4G and later (including mini, Nano, 5g) have PP5020, PP5021 or PP5022 CPUs which are all register-compatible.
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19:30:52finikI see, this is very bad news
19:31:06linuxstb_It's an opportunity...
19:31:52linuxstb_What are you trying to connect?
19:31:58finikI maxed out my vacation days at work, so I am considering taking a few days off to work on the ipod
19:32:45finiklinuxstb: I wrote a plugin called rockmaps, which shows, navigates and zoomes in-out maps using google titles
19:32:53finiklinuxstb: I'm trying to connect GPS to it :)
19:33:24PaulJamSlasheri: i'm trying to figure out the tagnavi.config syntax and have a question: is it possible to express an "or" (e.g. if i want to list all tracks that have either the genre metal or gothic) ?
19:33:32finiklinuxstb: I ordered one of these Holux GPS with TTL level RS232
19:33:56amiconnHehe, nice idea
19:34:09finiklinuxstb: and I was kind of hoping that the UART driver part will not be a problem
19:34:16amiconnThe archos has a working serial port that just needs a tiny mod to be used
19:34:30*amiconn just got the weird idea to hook up a modem
19:35:02Genre9mp3PaulJam: I would be interested to know the syntax, too
19:35:10amiconnIt could be possible to play (low bitrate) shoutcast streams...
19:35:22Genre9mp3Maybe there should be a paragraph in the manual for that
19:35:23SlasheriPaulJam: that's not yet possible.. but will be added in future
19:35:43PaulJamSlasheri: ah, thank you
19:35:52finiklinuxstb: anyway, thanks for the help, I'm off to real work now
19:36:47linuxstb_It could be worth talking to the IPL devs - maybe they know more on the exact status. i.e. if they failed to get _any_ serial comms working, or just failed to talk to official accessories.
19:37:08linuxstb_But I'm guessing it will be the former.
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19:40:19Genre9mp3Slasheri: Is the syntax subject to change, or just add some features?
19:42:30SlasheriGenre9mp3: some small changes are possible but i don't think it will entirely change
19:44:20Genre9mp3Would be possible to use "HAS" "NOTHAS" and "IS" or something like that in tagcache?
19:44:54Slasheriat least i think that adding brackets would be good, something like ( genre = "metal" | genre = "gothic" ) & score > 70 & lastplayed < serial - 20
19:45:05Slasherieven that would be quite hard to parse
19:45:37SlasheriGenre9mp3: not is not yet possible, but is "=" and has "~"
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19:45:47Slasheriin fact "has" is "contains"
19:46:02Genre9mp3yes...I meant has that way...
19:46:03Slasheriand "^" begins with
19:46:24Genre9mp3So only "nothas" isn't possible
19:46:36Slasherinot yet
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20:16:06bluebrotherlinuxstb__, I just submitted the changes for the html manual building. I hope I didn't break anything.
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20:23:57linuxstb_bluebrother: I've only looked at the diffs, but it seems fine. I'm looking forward to seeing them on the website.
20:24:09bluebrotherme too :)
20:24:31bluebrotherit's still some work, but initially its building.
20:24:47bluebrothertime for me to get back to RL a bit more ;-)
20:25:39*RaeNye snaps his finger
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20:32:09amiconnHanging build again :/
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20:33:29Genre9mp3Oh...html manual! nice
20:33:46linuxstb_amiconn: And no Swedes around...
20:34:20amiconnSomehow I think we have too few server admins
20:34:36*linuxstb_ thinks t0mas may have access...
20:35:36Galoisone way to help solve this problem would be to set up the build servers so that as much as possible of the build apparatus is under the home directory instead of in system directories
20:36:12linuxstb_Why would that help? AFAIK, the person running the build server can install the compilers anywhere.
20:36:38linuxstb_The problem is
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20:48:22Learlinuxstb_: No Swedes around? :p
20:48:31LearNot that I can help...
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20:50:30linuxstb_Lear: Go and find Linus...
20:51:03LearWhile I might be in Sweden, I'm nowere near Stockholm...
20:51:52GnelikWhat was the first player Rockbox was madxe for?
20:53:13Genre9mp3Archos Player I think
20:53:24LearWasn't it the recorder?
20:53:54Genre9mp3Either the Player or the Recorder... I'm not sure
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20:54:50GnelikHow long wap iPod port?
20:55:26GnelikI want to guess how long time it would take to prt it to Sandisk e200
20:56:50markunGnelik: ipod was quick because of ipod linux
20:57:15Genre9mp3Well, you can't estimate that, you just never know what obstacles will be in the way
20:57:59markunWith the gigabeat port sometimes we have a little breakthrough and all goes fast and some weeks nothing happens because we are stuck and/or busy
20:58:38linuxstb_Gnelik: The ipod port took about 4 months from start to getting audio playback (Oct 2005 - Jan 2006). That was with two people working on it, and as Markun said, the ipodlinux code to copy drivers from.
20:58:51linuxstb_But there's still a lot of work left.
20:59:14Gnelike200 half a year?
20:59:21Gnelikof 7 month
20:59:24Gneliklong time
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21:00:15markunGnelik: perhaps you can help to make it go faster
21:00:17linuxstb_Gnelik: It's impossible to say - it depends how many developers decide to help, how much free time they have.
21:00:28linuxstb_(and also how hard it turns out to be)
21:01:06Gnelikmarkun: with plesure
21:01:21Gnelikbut i code on .NET
21:01:33markunVB.NET or C#?
21:02:03markunIf you know how to program it's not that difficult to learn another language
21:02:49Gnelikgive me your e-mail because y must to go
21:03:16markunI think it's better you come back here and talk to Bagder
21:03:36markuntake care
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21:25:39RaiderXi ahte feeling like a noob
21:26:22RaiderXis womeong willing to help me out with themes? im new to rockbox and i installed a theme, but the placement of the text is still like the default theme and all messed up :/
21:26:30RaiderX*is someone
21:27:23linuxstb_Have you installed the fonts zip file? Do the themes you are using require any patches not in the official Rockbox?
21:27:47RaiderXi think, im using jblackglass, i think thewres a patch, but im not sure if its the latest one
21:28:02RaiderXit was posted here:
21:28:36RaiderXi guewss ill try out that pacth and see what i get
21:29:41RaiderXwth, i keep getting this stupid "youve been black listed" thing, im nto spamming :/
21:29:58linuxstb_In the wiki?
21:30:34linuxstb_Which page(s)?
21:30:37RaiderXalso when i tried to go the forums earlier
21:30:41RaiderXthe FAQ
21:30:58linuxstb_Yes, I got that earlier, and so did others - but only on the IpodFAQ page.
21:31:12RaiderXok, so then thats just a glitch i guess
21:31:14linuxstb_Our wiki admin left for vacation a few hours ago though...
21:31:37RaiderXlol, talk about bad timing
21:33:08pixelmathat happened more than once today - also with the wiki main page.. :/
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21:33:46RaiderXhmm, ok, i got another question, how do i get to the main menu from the now playing screen? ive tried every button combo
21:34:23RaiderXnvm it was center, but it didnt work the first time i teied it
21:36:27linuxstb_No, the main menu is the MENU button - but a short press and release.
21:37:02linuxstb_A long press on the center menu gives you the context menu.
21:37:26RaiderXis the main menu the one with bookmarks, settings, and info?
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21:40:06RaiderXok, yea, im figuring out the buttons as i go along, i guess ill get used to it
21:40:18S0apRaiderX - the reason your first attempt might not have worked is that first button press turns on the backlight?
21:40:24Ribsaye, rockbox's controls can be confusing
21:40:47RibsRaiderX: Be aware that rockbox has a "turn on LCD only" option switched on by default
21:41:05Ribsso if the backlight is off, and you press a button, it will only turn the backlight on, and it won't actually react to the button normally
21:41:16RaiderXyea, i noticed that
21:41:22*Ribs turned that option off
21:41:34Ribsmuch easier for using the iPod in one's pocket :)
21:41:35RaiderXhwo do u turn that off?
21:41:40RibsIt's in the settings
21:41:47RaiderXyea, i use it in my pocket all the tiem, so that might help
21:41:50Ribsdisplay settings, LCD settings, I believe
21:41:56RaiderXok ill check it out
21:41:58Ribsbut that's from memory :)
21:42:17RaiderXwell ill find it
21:42:31Ribsgood man
21:42:44RaiderXso for a patch, it is safe to replace the rockbox.ipod?
21:43:21RaiderXso theres no way to really have more than one patch for different themes huh?
21:44:22*Ribs runs patch free, I can't help you there
21:44:45RaiderXlink me to some info and ill figure it out
21:44:59S0apI don't know what themes the patch for jblackglass will break, you should ask in the jblackglass thread.
21:45:19RaiderXi only plan on using that theme really, or the other blackglass theme
21:45:36S0apyou could always install the ipodlinux bootloader and choose between multiple installs of rockbox, to run different themes if his patched build breaks other WPSs
21:46:17S0apyou'll get lots of curt responses if you ask for support in the official forums/IRC/etc for an unofficial patched build.
21:46:38S0apmight be best to run a daily for a few weeks until you have learned what is what, then switch to the patched build.
21:47:02S0apcurt as in short, with an implication of rudeness.
21:47:44Ribsyou can use the standard blackglass theme
21:47:48S0apmany of the developers are busy trying to support noobies asking the same questions over-and-over on _official_ builds as is, and don't like dealing with support for someone elses build.
21:47:53RaiderXthe only thing i trouble with is learning all the terms used here
21:47:57Ribswhat's the jblackglass one got over the normal one?
21:48:08RaiderXi dont know
21:48:12RaiderXik plannign on tryign both
21:48:16Ribsjust use the normal one :)
21:48:16S0apthere is a wiki, massive forums, and a manual.
21:48:21RibsI replaced the background picture
21:48:27Ribsnow it looks uber-sexy
21:48:40RaiderXi liked how jblackglass looked for a couple reasons, but illl try the other
21:48:47S0apjblackglass has a custom statusbar, scrolling text, album art, etc.
21:48:51RaiderXit has the buttons in the center
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21:54:35darth_mallanyone here using rockbox on an iAudio X5?
21:55:52RaiderXdoes jblackglass need an album art patch?
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21:58:44grimmanHey, I'm getting "[ERR] read in disk_readThe request could not be performed because of an I/O device error." when trying to back my iPod firmware up with ipodpatcher.exe. Does anyone know what might cause that?
22:02:52RaiderXhey, which font patch do i get?
22:03:11RaiderXtheres a whole bunch:
22:03:25RaiderXis the top on the latest one?
22:03:33RaiderXoh nvm
22:03:37RaiderXthe dates :P
22:05:14linuxstb_grimman: Did the "ipodpatcher N" command work to identify your ipod?
22:06:55grimmanlinuxstb_: Yep.
22:07:04grimman(number 4 if that's of any interest)
22:07:53grimmanIt starts out with; [INFO] Seeking to sector 63 (new line) [INFO] Writing 224847 sectors to output file
22:07:56grimmanAfter that I get the error.
22:08:11grimmanThe output file size varies between just under two megs to roughly 2.5 megs.
22:08:20grimmanI've tried it a few times. ;)
22:12:10linuxstb_I don't know what to suggest - "I/O device error" implies some kind of hardware issue.
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22:15:51grimmanI wonder if it might have anything to do with the iPod updater I used earlier today... it did its thing, but afterwards it said something about my iPod not being supported... I just figured that was because the iPod firmware was already up to date though.
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22:22:18BigMar992anyone available to answer a question
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22:28:17obois CVS working okay for anyone? cvs up is hanging here
22:28:24markunBigMar992: depends on the question
22:28:50markunobo: works fine here
22:29:02markuncvs update
22:29:04BigMar992i'm sure its a noob question.....i have rockbox with iPod Blue5G skin...followed directions....its working....but i can't seem to learn how to browse my music
22:29:10BigMar992i've read faq also
22:29:15BigMar992i think its too trivial
22:29:28markunBigMar992: did you put all your music on it with itunes?
22:29:31BigMar992i have 2 albums on there right now...and i can only play 1
22:29:32obomarkun: thanks - sprang into life for one checked out folder, still hanging on the other
22:29:52markunDo you want to continue to use itunes?
22:29:58BigMar992i've gotten as far as seeing the 20 songs from the 1 album (in the ipod format ZZNL, etc)
22:30:09BigMar992i'd rather get a working winamp tool
22:30:14BigMar992but i got one...and it doesnt seem to work
22:30:28pixelmamarkun: there was some talk about a hanging build before
22:30:43markunWith rockbox you can just copy music directly to your ipod without any tool
22:30:44BigMar992but i still dont know how to browse within the ipod tho
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22:33:37RaiderXdoes tag cache rganize the music similar to how the notrmal firmware does?
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22:36:31 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) u recommend i just load my music right into a folder stored on my ipod (from my computer, without a program) and i should be able to browse them with rockbox?
22:37:32Genre9mp3BigMar992: Isn't this the "right way" antway?
22:37:38markunBigMar992: you have to decide for yourself what you think is best
22:37:53BigMar992i want the easiest
22:37:57BigMar992and i think that would be
22:38:13markunyes, I think so too
22:38:18RaiderXBigMar992 that woudl be the easiest if you dont care abotu using the original ipod firmware
22:38:41RaiderXthats my problem, i gotta learn how tagcahce works cuz I want to use the original firmware also
22:38:49BigMar992i dont...i just want full funcionality with rockbox (i.e. being able to browse my music and select what i want to play, put playlists together, etc)...but i couldnt do that with what i was doing
22:39:18RaiderXdoes rockbox play videos? as far as ive seen no right?
22:39:32Ribsnot yet
22:39:40Ribsas far as I know...
22:39:44markunRaiderX: only on some of the archos players
22:39:52RaiderXok, thats one reason to use the original firmware\
22:39:56BigMar992lol yea
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22:40:21*Ribs brought his iPod to play music, tbh
22:40:55*RaiderX bought his ipod to play music and music videos for the hell of it
22:41:19kerbI wanted to play videos but I haven't actually used it yet
22:41:24kerbMight come in handy some day though
22:41:41RaiderXi actually enjoy watching family gy on my ipod during class :D
22:41:51RaiderXmakes it a lot more fun
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22:43:47RaiderXi mostly liek rockbox for the interface, themes, and plugins might be cool, buit I dont plan to use ym ipod for games really. doom with a clickwheel isnt so appealing to me :/ i much rather play it on my PSP
22:44:49kerbI don't travel for long enough to watch videos, and when I'm at the university or work I have my laptop :)
22:45:13RaiderXi dont have a laptop :|
22:45:27grimmanHm, the expected iPod firmware size is, according to the install wiki, 5 megs or so. When using the iPodWizard to extract from the updater I get a 12.2 meg file. Am I even on the right track here?
22:45:47RaiderXipodwizard doesnt extract the firmware
22:46:01grimman"Extract firmware binary"...
22:46:12obogrimman: 5g?
22:46:17grimmanobo: Yep.
22:46:29linuxstb_ipodwizard extracts an image of the firmware partition - so 12.2MB is about right for a 5G.
22:46:33obosounds like the apple os + the firmware for the broadcom video
22:46:44RaiderXya, i didnt expect it to be 5mb
22:47:33linuxstb_grimman: You should rename that firmware file to "bootpartition.bin" and then continue with the install instructions.
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22:48:22linuxstb_But if you got an I/O error when reading from your ipod, I would be surprised if you don't get one when writing - and you'll end up with an unusable ipod.
22:48:48grimmanlinuxstb_: But the wiki says earlier on that the expected filesize for the 5G iPod is ~112 megs and that I extract the OS stuff from that one. The file I have now is too large for the OS alone (apparently) and waaay too small for the whole firmware.
22:49:05grimmanlinuxstb_: The updater itself can update the firmware though.
22:49:29grimmanI tried the iPW rockbox installer and it messed the iPod up to the point where I had to reset the whole thing.
22:49:50RaiderXwhich version
22:49:55grimmanOf what?
22:50:03RaiderXiPW rockbox installer
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22:50:13Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: ipod_fw creates files MUCH smaller than the 112mb the original file was. On 5G, I'd guess in the 12ish range, maybe?
22:50:15RaiderXi had no problem with it
22:50:17linuxstb_The whole firmware partition is 112MB. But there is only about 12MB of useful data at the start of it - i.e. the 12.2MB file you extracted using ipodwizard - the rest is empty.
22:51:15grimmanRaiderX: I think it was after the firmware extractor failed (and the iPW just went on as if it hadn't error:ed out), when it was installing the modified firmware.
22:51:24grimmanlinuxstb_: Aha.
22:51:53RaiderXoh, i didnt even backup my firmware b4 installing :P
22:52:29grimmanIt's not so much backing up, I guess, as getting firmware to modify. ;P
22:52:49RaiderXare you just tryign to mod the theme in the normal firmware?
22:53:01grimmanI'm trying to install the bootloader for rockbox.
22:53:22RaiderXthats the thing that allows you to choose it or the normal fw right?
22:54:11RaiderXyea, im probably gonan end up installign that also
22:54:26dionoeaanyone thinking about applying the ipod touch wheel patch ( ) to CVS ? (it would be quite nice)
22:54:42RaiderXwuts it do?
22:54:57RaiderXnvm its only 4g and nano
22:55:23dionoea5g should be ok too i guess
22:55:26linuxstb_dionoea: Do you have an ipod?
22:55:32dionoeavideo yeah
22:55:46linuxstb_Yes, 4g, nano and 5g use the same button driver, so if it works for one, it will work for all.
22:55:55dionoeabut i don't know rockbox well enough to apply such a patch
22:56:09RaiderXbut whats that patch do?
22:56:16Paul_The_NerdRaiderX: If you have Rockbox installed, you already have the bootloader. Are you not yet using Rockbox?
22:56:26dionoeaabsolute wheel positioning
22:56:55RaiderXPaul_The_Nerd, i have rockbox on, but i want a GUI based loader
22:57:16Paul_The_NerdRaiderX: Ah, well the bootloader for Rockbox isn't the GUI based one. The iPodLinux one is.
22:57:24dionoealinuxstb_: btw, do you know how to disable the poweroff button from a plugin ? Doom seems to do it but i can't find how/where
22:57:28RaiderXthats why i mgith get ipl and tyr it out alos
22:57:47Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Actually, with the absolute wheel positioning patch you could add a cellphone-like text entry method on iPods.
22:57:57RaiderXi ahevnt been in the ipod scene in a while, last time i was modding my ipod, ipl wasnt available for 5g and the best there was was iPW
22:58:17dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, i saw stuff like that in the ipod linux wiki
22:58:40dionoeabut i was considering it for games or other plugins which need more keys than available
22:58:50Paul_The_NerdYeah, it's particularly useful for Rockboy.
22:58:55RaiderXis doom really playable on the ipod? i ahvent tied it yet
22:59:17grimman"Rockbox Error: -1
22:59:29Paul_The_NerdThat means rockbox.ipod wasn't found on the disk
22:59:35dionoeaRaiderX: not enough keys ... but it works well :)
22:59:40Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: Did you copy over and extract a daily build to the root of your Fat32 partition?
22:59:57RaiderXill have o see for myself
23:00:08grimmanPaul_The_Nerd: Doing that now.
23:00:22grimmanThe "sweet" was because the wiki says it's working if I see that. ;)
23:00:34linuxstb_Did the Apple firmware load OK?
23:00:40Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: Oh, right. The wiki used to not tell you that was a good thing, so I thought that was a sarcastic sweet.
23:00:49grimmanHehe =)
23:01:01grimmanI'd be crying if I didn't know a bluescreen with "error -1" was a good thing. ;)
23:01:04Paul_The_NerdUsually the word "Error" would send a user into a blind panic with fears of bricking.
23:01:25Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Did you see there's a 3G CPU speed patch in the tracker?
23:01:31linuxstb_dionoea: No, I don't know how Doom does that.
23:02:15dionoeaah ... too bad :)
23:02:18dionoeathanks anyway
23:03:42Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Well, doesn't a plugin have full control over what the keys do while it's running anyway? Wouldn't it be more a matter of not adding a power off function?
23:03:46*Paul_The_Nerd isn't really sure about that.
23:03:57Paul_The_NerdIt would explain why you can't find it though.
23:04:07RaiderXhey i applied a font patch, but how do i change the font?
23:04:34Paul_The_NerdRaiderX: I'm pretty sure that one's in the manual.
23:04:51dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: i somehow doubt that ... the OFF key handling is directly in the keyboard driver i think
23:05:05Paul_The_NerdRaiderX: Which word didn't you understand?
23:05:25RaiderXwhat manual?
23:05:36Paul_The_NerdRaiderX: The one linked to on both the daily download page and the documentation page...
23:05:52RaiderXso itll tell me hwo to change the font?
23:05:58Paul_The_Nerddionoea: I wouldn't really know, since I don't even know which hardware you're talking about. ;)
23:06:04Paul_The_NerdRaiderX: Among various other useful things, yes.
23:06:36dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: any hardware :) see line 500 in the firmware/drivers/button.c file
23:07:01RaiderXok ill have to check it out
23:07:04dionoeabut it's only annoying on ipods where a long press of the play key turns it off
23:07:15linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Just seen that patch now. Nice to see dan_a has been busy.
23:07:31linuxstb_dan_a: How's mp3 playback at 90MHz?
23:07:51dan_alinuxstb_: Slowly getting better
23:08:00Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Does that handle the iPod poweroff though? Since that's not really just a button...
23:08:14dionoeait does
23:08:43dionoeait checks if the key was repeated more than POWEROFF_COUNT ticks
23:09:01dan_alinuxstb_: With the codec compiled at -Os it seems better still. I'm just trying Vorbis with that to see if it becomes completely usable
23:09:17Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Can you power off during other plugins? (I don't have Rockbox on my iPod at the moment.)
23:09:35dionoeasure ... except in doom (and maybe rockboy ... not sure though)
23:09:47dionoeamaybe they're not ordinary plugins
23:10:09Paul_The_NerdThey're ordinary plugins, as far as I know at least. They shouldn't be special.
23:11:35RaiderXhah, i found the fonts myself, lol
23:12:27dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: you're Paul Louden ?
23:13:19Paul_The_NerdAliases: Llorean, Paul_The_Nerd, and "That annoying guy who keeps yelling at me to try to type out full words so people who have to use translation software can read it"
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23:13:43dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: well you should know about the rockdoom way of doing it ! ... (at least you're listed as one of the doom's IPod port authors)
23:14:06Paul_The_NerdActually, I never touched the code as it is.
23:14:14dionoeaok :)
23:14:23*dionoea looks for Dave Chapman
23:14:31linuxstb_dionoea: I would just put it down as a bug in Doom... The button driver should handle the shutdown.
23:14:37Paul_The_NerdThere was a prior attempt at porting a different Doom port, but even then much of the work was done by Karl. I just spent quite a bit of time tracking down where alignment errors happened, and other various crashes the iPod version had that the H300 didn't.
23:14:40linuxstb_dionoea: Check the IrcNicks wiki page...
23:14:55miner49erHey everyone.
23:15:00*Paul_The_Nerd sees Dave Chapman in the list, but keeps his mouth shut. ;)
23:15:14*dionoea found Dave Chapman
23:15:22miner49erDoes anyone know why I don't have an apps/plugins/SUBDIRS file?
23:15:42miner49erI'm trying to apply the spectrum emulator patch
23:15:54dionoealinuxstb_: how would the rockdoom plugin bypass the button driver ?
23:16:02Paul_The_Nerdminer49er: How old is your source, and did you check out from CVS or use the source code download?
23:16:23miner49erPaul: I resynced last night, directly yo CVS
23:16:32Paul_The_Nerddionoea: He said he's just thinking it's a bug.
23:16:47*dionoea tries to understand what could trigger such a bug
23:17:01miner49eraar, sorry, I'm being a cretin.
23:17:08miner49erI do have it. What a dumbass
23:18:56grimmanIsn't the iPod supposed to save the changes I make to the settings on the fly?
23:19:00miner49erokay, here's a real question - why do extra files appear in my current directory? instead of where I would expect them. For instance, the chopper.c file should appear in the plugins dir
23:19:20grimmanIf I reset the device and boot to the default firmware it prompts me for language selection all the time.
23:19:33linuxstb_dionoea: I think it's because Doom doesn't call the default_event_handler() in the button loop.
23:20:04linuxstb_The button code sends a shutdown message to all threads, and it looks like Doom doesn't respond.
23:20:08dionoeais that in i_video.c ?
23:20:31Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: The Apple firmware has been, with the most recent version, acting strangely when Rockbox's bootloader is inserted.
23:20:31dionoeai'll give it a try
23:20:56grimmanPaul_The_Nerd: ok... all in regular Apple style then I suppose. ;P
23:21:13Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: On the Nano, with the most recent update, you can't seem to see your music with Rockbox installed.
23:23:22linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: It's probably worth adding that to the ipodinstallation page(s).. But IMO those pages are already getting too long and confusing with all these extra notes..
23:23:53dionoealinuxstb_: indeed ... that was it. Thanks
23:25:20Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Yeah, I keep finding myself having to add notes to explain the notes, and so on.
23:25:58linuxstb_BTW, did you read my suggestions for the forum reorganisation?
23:26:46Paul_The_NerdYes, I did. I think your suggested reorganization layout is almost just right.
23:27:30Paul_The_NerdIt'll probably end up being what I use, or something very close to it. Once I figure out the best way to migrate and all.
23:28:23linuxstb_I'm still not completely happy with them though. e.g. the "New features" forum means that if someone wants to discuss a potential new audio playback feature, they still have the choice of the audio playback forum and the new features forum.. But maybe the purpose of the "New Features' should just be related to development and patches - not for suggesting new features.
23:28:51dionoeaFeatures requests forum is indeed a good idea
23:28:55Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Well, feature requests go on the tracker anyway.
23:28:58linuxstb_(yes, migration doesn't seem an easy task - unless you recruit a lot of people to help you move topics)
23:29:32Paul_The_NerdThe feature request forum is really for people to poll relating to "How would you like to see this feature implemented" or discuss ideas for them before posting to the requests, etc.
23:29:51grimmanPaul_The_Nerd: I don't know if it's related, but setting up Anapod with the iPod may have made the settings "stick", a reset after I transferred an album doesn't result in a clean settings table.
23:29:53linuxstb_Yes, I agree - the development side of new features.
23:29:57Paul_The_NerdAlso, discussing bugs in new-feature patches (like album art) so that the Tracker doesn't become discussion as well.
23:30:30Paul_The_NerdSo that maybe less support-requests hit the tracker, with luck
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23:32:11Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: I think it partially depends on how long you've had your iPod on in the retail firmware. I think if you connect USB even once while in Retail, the settings usually stick.
23:32:35grimmanPaul_The_Nerd: I've had the USB cable in most of the time.
23:32:50Paul_The_Nerdgrimman: Dunno then.
23:33:00grimmanMe neither tbh. ;)
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23:34:44Paul_The_NerdAnyway, off for dinner, back later.
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23:56:01dan_aD'oh! I thought I'd got some thumb code working, but it just made Rockbox crash
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23:58:39linuxstb_:) What did you compile as thumb?

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