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#rockbox log for 2006-07-23

00:00:02BagderI think its a habit
00:00:59linuxstbfreqmod: Just a quick look, and it seems you've broken scramble.c for big-endian machines...
00:01:33freqmodok, where, is it the struct?
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00:04:42linuxstb_I also think it would be better to specify the rsrc filename on the command-line, rather than automatically picking it up - I never liked that in ipod_fw.
00:05:11Bagderit claims to be an e250 in recovery mode
00:05:16Bagderand only 17MB
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00:09:01freqmodlinuxstb: Ok, this should fix edian
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00:25:21RaeNyebagder: would you like to commit my two compact X5 patches added lately to the tracker?
00:25:48LandusDid someone call me?
00:25:56Bagderyes, but I can't do that right now, I'm a bit busy
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00:29:21scorcheLandus: check the logs
00:30:03Landusscorche: ?
00:30:07Landusscorche: There's a log?
00:30:26scorcheerrr...looks like it just rolled over
00:30:59*Bagder surfs the recovery mode waves
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00:31:14Bagderthey're slippery
00:31:49markunBagder: are you trying to brick your e250?
00:31:59Bagderyeah :-)
00:32:06LandusUgh. I found it.
00:32:14Paul_The_NerdBagder: So, is recovery mode useful then?
00:32:28Bagdermy unit is dead except for that right now
00:32:31LandusS0ap: I updated RealVNC. There was an exploit for the version I was running before I updated it.
00:32:54Paul_The_NerdSo, they're hard to brick like iPods and X5s are?
00:33:01Bagdernot quite sure yet
00:33:10BagderI didn't patch the BL file
00:33:14S0apLandus - scary
00:33:28LandusAt first, yeah.
00:33:36Bagderand the amusing part is, I messed up so my test was made with a completely bad image
00:33:40S0apLandus - I /really/ wouldn't rule out the idea you've been rootkited.
00:33:45LandusI checked.
00:33:50Paul_The_NerdBagder: So, at least it's safe from completely bad MI4s?
00:33:59LandusBesides the ones that are part of Windows.
00:34:08Paul_The_NerdGood to hear that much at least.
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00:34:47scottderbetter yet if your going to use VNC...install SSH and do VNC over a tunnel
00:34:52S0apLandus - read about rootkits, you can not check for them from within the compromised system.
00:35:09BHSPitMonkeyssh tunneled VNC is always much slower for me...
00:35:16Bagderunit alive again
00:35:20S0apthe whole idea of a rootkit is that it replaces system hooks, and lies to you.
00:35:20Bagder... next try
00:36:17scottderBHSPitMonkey: yeah....but I trust it more than leaving a VNC port open to the internet
00:36:48BHSPitMonkeywell, I'm not doing anything incriminating over VNC ;)
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00:37:47LandusS0ap: Yeah. You can.
00:37:57scottderI take it as opposed to getting owned....
00:38:00S0apRootkit Revealer won't show you all the latest ones.
00:38:12scottderconvience and security rarely are bedfellows :)
00:38:22LandusS0ap: I never said I use Rootkit Revealer.
00:39:20scottdernothing will show you all the latest ones....that's why they keep making new ones :)
00:39:24S0apif you have a method of detecting rootkits w/o looking in from another OS, you could make a fortune.
00:39:46***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:40:01S0apbut sorry for the OT.
00:41:30Bagderit ruuuuns
00:42:04*Paul_The_Nerd cheers
00:42:28BagderI now have a modified string displaying when I insert the usb ;-)
00:42:52Paul_The_NerdThat is a leet hax sir. Leet indeed.
00:43:35BHSPitMonkeywha? messing around with ipodwizard?
00:43:36scorcheamazing how much excitement can come from such a little change =)
00:43:48Paul_The_NerdBHSPitMonkey: Messing around with Sandisk Sansa
00:44:03BHSPitMonkeyI'm in and out of the conversation
00:44:08BHSPitMonkey(mostly out)
00:44:17Bagderit works without patching the BL file
00:44:26Bagderwith a "dummy" DSA signature
00:44:35Bagderreally silly
00:45:25Paul_The_NerdSilly or not, at least it works right?
00:45:45Bagderwith the original BL file
00:47:52*RaeNye suggests Bagder make the MI4 display his name all over the player and upload the new version to a 0-day w4r3z site :)
00:48:15RaeNyeno profit. RB is .org
00:48:25scottder cept make it b@dg3rr....more cool for kiddiez
00:48:27RaeNyebut fame
00:49:28*RaeNye wonders when he gets commit access so he wouldn't have to nag devs all the time
00:50:01*Paul_The_Nerd waits for people to show up from the forums, reading the phrase 'upgraded my e260', asking where to download the Sansa e200 build of RB...
00:50:24BagderI can offer my image ;-)
00:50:36RaeNyepoint them to the version I suggested above :)
00:50:36Bagderwith a single modified swedish phrase
00:51:02Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: Oh, by the way, I think there may be a patch for FM screen WPSes in the tracker, if you're interested in that direction. I'm not sure though.
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00:54:07Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: Apparently I can't find it... I seem to remember someone doing some work in that direction at some point though. =/
00:54:24RaeNyepaul_the_nerd: interesting, although it looks like a quick hack. I'll meddle with it once I have the player. It's 3024
00:54:40BagderI think JdGordon once worked on that
00:55:09RaeNyeYeah, that's his patch
00:56:10Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: I just thought it might be a starting point. I certainly don't object to treating the FM Playback screen the same as the normal playback screen in terms of hierarchy, etc.
00:57:16RaeNyeand what about recording?
00:58:18Paul_The_NerdEspecially since the FM Radio menu is already the same button as the context menu (on H100s at least)
00:58:22Paul_The_NerdAs for Recording, I'm not so sure.
00:59:06*BHSPitMonkey wonders if recording will ever be a possibility on the 5G
00:59:11Paul_The_NerdTo the skinnability etc, that is.
00:59:26RaeNyeI have this concept of persistent screens, that is screen in which you're staying for an extended period of time
00:59:28Paul_The_NerdAs for hierarchy again it makes sense to treat it similarly to WPSes, I think.
00:59:42RaeNye(and not because the phone just rang or you're a slow reader)
01:00:38Paul_The_NerdI think that the Hierarchy is like this:
01:00:39Paul_The_NerdRoot->(WPS/FM/Rec)->Menu. So, when you leave the menu, it returns you to whichever of the middle ones the menu was invoked from. If it wasn't from one of those, it goes to the Root.
01:00:54RaeNyewhat's root?
01:00:57Paul_The_NerdFrom within the menu, the Record button should take you to the Rec screen, and the play button should resume playback if necessary and go to the WPS
01:01:02Paul_The_NerdRoot == File System
01:01:23RaeNyeand when USBOTG is implemented, where do you see it?
01:01:40Paul_The_NerdAs a virtual folder mounted in \
01:01:50Paul_The_NerdFor UMS devices at least.
01:02:16RaeNyeenter virtual folders. why not have them for other uses?
01:02:29RaeNye(e.g., playlist)
01:02:42Paul_The_NerdBecause a playlist can already be opened with the playlist viewer?
01:03:01Paul_The_NerdWith the USBOTG virtual folder, you're still seeing nothing but real files.
01:03:13Paul_The_NerdIf you browsed into a playlist you ask the question of virtual files. References to other ones.
01:03:37RaeNyeisn't that a playlist?
01:03:48Paul_The_NerdIsn't what a playlist?
01:04:01Paul_The_NerdA playlist is a list of where to find real files.
01:04:05RaeNyea collection of references to *real* files
01:04:22RaeNyesame as USBOTG connection
01:04:31Paul_The_NerdThe USBOTG is the addition of real files.
01:04:34Paul_The_NerdEach file has one entry. Where it is.
01:05:18RaeNyebut that's how the camera shows it to you
01:05:27Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean?
01:05:39LandusCan anyone here code in at least one computer language?
01:05:52RaeNyea usbotg connection supplies you with a list of files
01:06:00RaeNyelandus: LOL
01:06:01Paul_The_NerdIt supplies you with a drive to mount.
01:06:09LandusRaeNye: What?
01:06:30RaeNyeI think most people here are devs
01:06:40Paul_The_NerdThere is a very big difference between "A list of files that exist elsewhere" and "The list of files that exist within me"
01:07:09Paul_The_NerdFor the first, they're real files that are OUTSIDE the playlist, and you can have multiple instances of each file, one or more instances per playlist. In the other, only the real files are shown, and only exactly as many as they are, only where they are.
01:07:11RaeNyepaul_the_nerd: no... it supplies you with a list of objects and allows you to request an object
01:07:49Paul_The_NerdFrom a protocol standpoint yes. But the difference is still between real files, and references to files.
01:07:55RaeNyethere's no guarantie that the objects aren't generated on the fly
01:08:06Paul_The_NerdOkay, simplify this
01:08:16Paul_The_NerdWhat is your justification for mounting playlists as folders?
01:08:35RaeNyeunified navigation
01:08:42Paul_The_NerdA playlist is a file.
01:08:54Paul_The_NerdA file that is loaded, edited, and executed, but simply a file.
01:09:06RaeNyecurrently you can't examine playlist contents
01:09:09PaulJamPaul_The_Nerd: but arn't ther plans to integrate tagcache as a virtual folder in the future? and in tagcache one file cann appear in varous places (like in a playlist)
01:09:13Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: Yes, you can.
01:09:32Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: I'm against entering tagcache from the file tree
01:09:36scorchethere is a playlist viewer
01:09:47RaeNyenot current playlist. just a .m3u
01:09:58Bagdersure, current
01:10:11Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: If you load it as a current playlist, you can then view it. This could be expanded to an "Open With" option.
01:10:16Paul_The_NerdAs well, yes, the text editor works.
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01:10:34RaeNyebut just to see its contents, to decide if you want to load it
01:10:40Paul_The_NerdBoth of these treat it as a file, which is preferable because it *is* a file.
01:10:57Paul_The_NerdWouldn't an "Open with" choice for "Playlist Viewer" solve that?
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01:11:34RaeNyeyes (assuming you don't overwrite current playlist) but navigation is slower
01:11:55Paul_The_NerdBut it maintains the idea that files are files.
01:12:05Paul_The_NerdRight now, you click on a file, and it is invoked.
01:12:37Paul_The_NerdYour idea is that some files are hidden as part of the filesystem.
01:13:03RaeNyenot necessarily hidden, just enterable as directories.
01:13:12Paul_The_NerdBut why bother to treat it as a directory?
01:13:21RaeNyethink of navigating inside a .zip
01:13:23Paul_The_NerdThere's already been a suggestion of adding a second default action to files.
01:13:31Paul_The_NerdClicking "Select" is one, and "Right" is the other.
01:13:35Paul_The_NerdFor Playlists, Right could be view.
01:13:46RaeNyeI like that.
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01:13:55Paul_The_NerdIt's very similar, but it doesn't integrate it into the filesystem.
01:14:13Paul_The_NerdWhich maintains the integrity of "Files are Files" while achieving pretty much the goal you want.
01:14:41RaeNyeBTW, my original thought about USBOTG was to have this as a plugin
01:14:42Paul_The_NerdThe idea then goes on to allowing an easy one-click "Insert" option, for adding songs to the current playlist.
01:14:58sharpefor songs, right could also be play without modifying current playlist. :)
01:15:01Paul_The_NerdMounting flash cards on Ondio already works as a virtual folder.
01:15:09Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Queue, for that.
01:15:11RaeNyeI guessed that this is where this all started
01:15:33RaeNyebut USBOTG is lots of code (20k+)
01:15:42Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Ideally, the secondary default action for music files would be configurable between "Insert next, Insert Last, Insert, Queue Next, Queue Last, and Queue"
01:16:06Paul_The_NerdBut that's *my* ideal
01:16:11Paul_The_NerdOthers may have their own ideas. ;)
01:16:37RaeNyebtw, for right-to-left users there should be an option to switch the notion of right and left :)
01:16:47Paul_The_Nerdright-to-left users?
01:16:55Paul_The_NerdOh, right
01:16:55RaeNyehebrew, arabic, ...
01:17:03Paul_The_NerdI figured it out 1 second before I saw that. :-P
01:17:28RaeNyeI wouldn't care (I hate localized menus), but nevertheless...
01:18:21sharpewasn't there someone who had asked about flipping the pacbox display and controls, on account of that they were left handed?
01:18:23RaeNyedo all players have enough keys for dual action?
01:18:42Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: All players so far have an 'invoke' of some sort (Select/Navi/Etc) and a Right key, I believe.
01:19:05Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Yes, someone asked that. I told them to just play it upside down, since the mechanics and controls would work just fine.
01:19:15RaeNyeWell, gotta go to sleep.
01:19:20RaeNyeG'night all!
01:19:23*Paul_The_Nerd is left handed, but plays unflipped.
01:19:27Paul_The_NerdG'night RaeNye
01:19:31*RaeNye snaps his finger
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01:20:01sharpei don't find much of a problem being left handed either.
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01:20:36sharpealso, another action could be invoked on a 'long' keypress of the right button.
01:21:08Paul_The_NerdActually, I think button-repeat on right should be removed.
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01:21:34Paul_The_NerdRight now, if I hold right, it jumps through a bunch of folders and then runs a gameboy rom.
01:22:08Paul_The_NerdI can see quickly backing out, but quickly entering and invoking is kinda dangerous, since if you forget to lock when you put it in your pocket, it's an additional way to stop playback.
01:22:29Paul_The_NerdThough, press and hold Right could be a good way to enter FM for FM units....
01:22:47sharpecould also just have an option to ignore button-repeat on the file browser... :D
01:22:58sharpefor right and such.
01:23:37sharpehmm, i have never, held right in the file browser.
01:23:51Paul_The_NerdNeither have I intentionally
01:23:57Paul_The_NerdWhich is why I think it'd be good for "FM"
01:25:07Paul_The_NerdWell, I'd use FM much more than recording, and recording's gonna get a button of its own. :-P
01:26:15sharpehmm... what about a button re-mapping option for rockbox in general? for those users who want to choose their own keys and such...
01:27:38sharpewould probably only need to apply to the browser...
01:27:48Paul_The_NerdI think that's overkill.
01:28:06Paul_The_NerdAdditional complexity + the possibility that users will make their player unusable.
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01:28:19sharpeyeah, that's always a problem with that.
01:28:28PaulJamPaul_The_Nerd: why are you against having a virtual folder for tagcache? if i use tagcache i find it very annoying, that i often have to switch the fileview back to tree when i want to acess a non-music file (e.g. a .cfg or .txt file).
01:29:15Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: My view is that from within TagCache, there should be a hard-coded entry at the top of the list "Filetree" from which you can browse the filetree.
01:30:00Paul_The_NerdBut that from within the filetree it is unnecessary to have a virtual link to the Cache. If you accessed the 'tree from TC, then you can back up back into TC, but if you're just in Filetree mode, it's unnecessary to have the link.
01:30:40PaulJamPaul_The_Nerd: yes, this would propably be a good soulution.
01:31:20sharpesomething is terribly wrong. my bandwidth limit seems to be, one meg.
01:32:02sharpei think it's a habit of mine to put commas everywhere.
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01:43:01PaulJamhmm, maybe another solution would be to have an entry for the other browsing method in the main menu. so if you are in tagcache mode you have an entry "Filetree" in the menu and in filetree mode the entry would be "TagCache" (if it is built).
01:43:19sharpeahey, lets make an option for it. hahah...
01:45:07Paul_The_NerdI think that having the Filetree link in the TagCache menu should pretty much cover it anyway.
01:45:20scottderRockbox + Sansa e200 series player would be sweet
01:45:41*scottder is sticking with flash based players, so the more the merrier :)
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01:54:44PaulJami would still prefer having a virtual folder in filetree, because i think i would mainly use the tree for navigation and tacgcache only for special tasks like creating a playlist by genre. but i guess it's impossible to make everyone happy :)
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01:58:30sharpewhat about a virtual folder in both?
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02:21:16midkaywhat about a SHHHH.
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02:29:05grimmanGah. I feel so dumb.
02:29:20grimmanTried for like 15 minutes to get to the filebrowser from the play screen.
02:34:47midkaydon't forget about the manual.
02:35:34grimmanI know, I know.
02:35:44grimmanJust got home and the first thing I did was look it up.
02:35:50grimmanThis isn't the first time. ;)
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02:53:29lostlogicugh, filebuf underrun = breakage... as I've learned by abusing my ipod under my motorcycle's seat.
03:03:51*scottder keeps his nano entombed in it's aluminum case at all times and treats with gentle hands
03:04:22scottdercourse I treated all my HD based players the same...but HDs...they just loved to die on me
03:06:56grimmanI use the pocket thingy I got with my iPod.
03:06:58JdGordoni have a fetchmail setup so it forwards all my mail from my isp account to my gmail account, that works fine, so can i assume that sendmail is set up correctly?
03:07:02JdGordonor bad assumption?
03:07:04grimmanWorks quite nicely.
03:07:26grimmanJdGordon: If it works, it works, no? ;)
03:07:54JdGordonyes, but im trying to use sendmail from the command line and its not working :'( so i need to know if sendmail is actually working or not
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03:08:51scottderpocket thingy? :)
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03:09:24grimmanIt's a cloth thingy the size of the iPod. Quite a snug fit.
03:09:36grimmanVery cozy material, soft.
03:09:44scottderAhh....they weren't including that when I got mine
03:09:53scottderand I like just keeping mine in the case
03:10:07grimmanWell I would probably have bought a case or a "skin" if I didn't get this.
03:10:19grimmanI've heard lots of horror stories about the display.
03:10:48scottderpretty much the only exposed part on this is the click wheel...ports on the bottm and the hold button
03:11:00scottderworks for me...and was pretty cheap for a aluminum case
03:11:02grimmanAnd just having the thing on the table next to the computer (I don't have a dock) has scratched the back a tiny bit. Annoying but hardly noticeable.
03:11:21grimmanAh. I expose nothing on mine. ;)
03:11:44grimmanThe protection is soft enough to allow me to just manage the controls through it.
03:12:34scottderthe lanyward is useless....but otherwise I like it
03:15:12grimmanLooks nice enough.
03:15:21grimmanI'm not too fond of the totally blank iPod look.
03:15:50scottdergiven my druther I'd have mine "naked as well" but this gives it the pickup and go I need
03:16:08scottderjust throw it in my pocket with my Koss KSC-35's and headphone amp and I am good to go
03:16:33grimmanExtra equipment... pah. ;D
03:17:44scottdervery portable and great for me
03:18:18scottderplus rockbox is the cherry on top...all my music encoded in ogg vorbis...Q3 is the sweet spot of sound to size
03:18:22scottderfor me
03:20:08grimman << That pic includes the protection thingy. Only mine is black, of course. ;)
03:20:48grimmanOGG, he says... mmyes, I don't actively encode my stuff in OGG, but I have a few tracks by Machinae Supremacy that are OGG encoded.
03:21:03grimmanIt bugged me ALOT when the iPod couldn't play them.
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03:22:12konstanthello everyone
03:22:29konstanti have a question
03:22:47konstanthow do i load the original firmware
03:23:14JdGordontap the screen 3 times before turning it on
03:23:30Paul_The_Nerdkonstant: Well, the first thing you might want to do is tell us which player, as we don't read minds around here.
03:23:34scorchekonstant: on what device?
03:23:40Paul_The_Nerdkonstant: The second thing you might want to do is read the manual and/or FAQ for said player.
03:23:43scottderI had some stuff in AAC files but I just reeneced the music....Rockbox was havving issue with them
03:23:50Paul_The_NerdThe _rockbox_ manual for said player, specifically.
03:24:38konstanti tried holding the menu button once it turns on but its still rockbox not apple
03:25:01Paul_The_NerdThen you're doing it wrong.
03:25:49Paul_The_NerdYou probably aren't holding it early enough, or are wiggling your finger, or are releasing it before it says "Loading Original Firmware" or a combination of the above.
03:27:58konstanti'll try that
03:28:13konstantthanks , ill keep that in mind
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03:29:01Paul_The_NerdI always wonder if, when they question whether holding Menu is right, they're assuming it's broken and nobody has yet noticed, or we just don't know how it works.
03:29:50grimmanSaid Paul_The_Nerd with venom oozing from his fangs.
03:30:39scottderNot reading the docs/wiki/faq should all open source projects
03:32:18Bloody_Sorcererholding menu?
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03:33:26phlippdoes anyone have any experience with compiling the rockbox package?
03:33:46Paul_The_NerdDid you have a question about it?
03:33:58Bloody_Sorcereri suspect 75% of this channel does, hopefully more ;)
03:34:10phlippI am having difficulty getting a package for ubuntu that provides support for arm
03:34:19grimmanBloody_Sorcerer: If you're gonna do the maths, count me out.
03:35:06scorchewas i the only one that was going to express a reply with a tint of sarcasm among other less desirable expressions?
03:35:08Paul_The_Nerdphlipp: Try in the /tools/ folder
03:35:44scorchewait...that reply was tinted with sarcasm
03:35:55scorchei need to idle more...
03:36:35Bloody_Sorcererwe have enough idle:)
03:37:02phlippthanks it looks like its working
03:37:28phlippI don't suppose that could be added to the how to compile page on the rockbox website?
03:37:39*scottder is experience compiling rockbox.....why bother when others will do it for me....faster than my liunx box could too :)
03:38:26Bloody_Sorcererscottder, sometimes we like to add patches and such ;)
03:38:41phlippthere's always the because I can part too
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03:39:33Paul_The_Nerdphlipp: Well, it's still fairly new. Also, I'm not sure if it's the preferred method yet. It might be. But there's always also manually compiling the cross compilers, as well.
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03:41:13phlipptrue, the web pages I found on the matter kindof suggested that, but they were old enough that it looked like the version of gcc that I have might not have been compatible
03:43:28Paul_The_NerdWhat does your version of GCC have to do with it, since it's not the version you'll be using to compile Rockbox anyway?
03:45:15orthogonal_awayPaul_The_Nerd: it's the gcc he'll ise yto compile the cross-compilers?
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03:47:41phlipp'm not going to pretend like I completely know what I'm doing, but I thought I would be using whatever arm library I could find to provide more functionality to GCC to allow it to compile for the arm architecture
03:47:42Paul_The_NerdYeah, but how much newer a GCC can you have than 4.0.x, which I believe is the recommended version for ARM.
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03:47:54phlippthe pages I was looking at were talking about version 2
03:48:02Paul_The_Nerdphlipp: The CrossCompiler page specifically tells you to download the source archive you need.
03:48:19Paul_The_NerdThe only version 2 on there is binutils 2.1.6
03:48:47phlippI assume you mean the rockbox source archives
03:48:49phlippwhich I did
03:49:31Paul_The_NerdNo, the source archive of GCC...
03:49:42Paul_The_NerdDid you actually read the page, or sorta skim it and then assume it wouldn't work?
03:50:41phlippfirst off I'm looking at this page
03:50:49Paul_The_NerdIt pretty much talks you through the download and install every part you need.
03:51:11phlippalthough closer inspection also shows this page
03:51:39Paul_The_NerdAnd neither of those tells you how to get the cross compilers.
03:51:45Paul_The_NerdBut you said you'd read something that did.
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03:51:53phlipphowever the latter just says "or you can download the complete source package with fonts and all from the daily build page and unpack it:"
03:52:20Paul_The_NerdWhat on earth pointed you there?
03:52:32midkaymaybe it was something on mars.
03:52:45Paul_The_NerdDid you try searching the *rockbox* site for cross compiler information?
03:53:05phlippI assumed that I simply needed a package that I didn't have
03:53:15*Paul_The_Nerd points to the word "assumed"
03:53:33Paul_The_NerdThe "CrossCompiler" wiki page tells you how to properly install the Cross Compilers used to compile the various versions of Rockbox.
03:53:43phlippbased on the fact that the document I was reading asked to make sure I had sh-elf-gcc
03:54:56phlippI confess that I didn't find nor read the crosscompiler wiki page
03:55:00Paul_The_NerdHow does that lead you to assume you should download some random package, without actually getting input into specifically what you need?
03:55:07*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
03:55:14Paul_The_NerdWell, do whatever you want.
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03:56:42phlippwell I've taken up enough of your collective time, thanks for the help, see you later
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03:56:48Paul_The_NerdGood luck with compiling
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04:58:58orthogonal_awayPaul_The_Nerd: wu?
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04:59:50*Paul_The_Nerd is confused by the drive-by wu-ing.
05:01:51*Paul_The_Nerd is perhaps too easily confused.
05:02:19midkayi understood it fully.
05:03:40Paul_The_NerdI'm trying to figure out if it's in reference to the ancient Chinese dynasty, or some sort of abbreviation for "whut up" or something equally arcane. None of these make sense in this channel's context, though.
05:04:22k8to_Wu Ti
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05:11:06JdGordonwould any1 like to to a php frontend for my automated build system for me?>
05:12:19JdGordonall i need is a drop list with the targets, a text thing for an email and a big text thing for a list of the patches they want applied..
05:12:25*JdGordon hates html/php :'(
05:14:54Paul_The_NerdI'm happy with PHP, not fond of HTML. It's an odd state to be in.
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05:15:32grimmanPaul_The_Nerd: Shared by a programmer friend of mine.
05:15:43grimmanI personally manage quite fine with both. ;>
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05:18:41Paul_The_NerdI hate HTML forms.
05:18:54Paul_The_NerdThat's really the only part I hate.
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05:19:38bagawkPaul_The_Nerd: what are you saying? All your PHP ends up generating (X)HTML code...
05:19:44grimmanI'm more of a design monkey though. Forms don't really bother me.
05:20:30Paul_The_Nerdbagawk: Actually, most of the PHP work I've ended up doing was using GDI.
05:22:10Paul_The_NerdI can't even seem to remember its name right now.
05:22:15bagawkPaul_The_Nerd: ?
05:22:24Paul_The_NerdWhatever that stupid graphics library was called.
05:22:45Paul_The_NerdAll the PHP I did actually outputted PNG images based on input by forms created by other people.
05:23:58bagawkI remember that library
05:25:36bagawkI have been playing with ruby on rails lately
05:26:00bagawkIf you really don't want to write much HTML, it is nice
05:27:08bagawkAnd ruby is 100% object oriented :)
05:27:20bagawkeven say the number 10 is an object in ruby
05:28:51grimmanHm. My current PHP project is kinda GD heavy. =)
05:29:19JdGordonso, back to my quesiton... can i get one of you to do the php for me please? :p
05:30:14grimmanIt's quite possible I'd love to. But I'm stretched for time as it is.
05:31:38Paul_The_Nerdbagawk: I'm actually not quite fond of overly object oriented stuff, at the moment.
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05:36:45k8to_Paul_The_Nerd: i would say ruby/small talk OO is not "overly" but "real"
05:37:01k8to_it's way less heavy than the popularlized variant we encounter more frequently
05:37:16k8to_(not that I think it is perfect)
05:46:03*JdGordon obviously hasnt been taught OO properly, i dnt really like it
05:46:21k8to_C++/Java is broken OO
05:46:47k8to_if you want to understand the point of it, you should play with a fine grained single tree oo language
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05:47:24BigMacanyone here ever made a wps
05:47:38*JdGordon once
05:47:49JdGordonback in the days before they went fancy with pics n stuff
05:48:34BigMacoh well mine is fancy
05:48:48BigMaci want to put that as a wps background
05:49:10JdGordonthat shouldnt be hard
05:49:30BigMaci want to do it as a bacground in jblackglass
05:49:48BigMacwhat should i read up on if i want to take on the task
05:49:51JdGordoneither save it as backgounrd.bmp (or whatevr that wps is expecting)
05:49:59Paul_The_NerdScale it to the appropriate size, save it as a 24-bit bitmap, and change the %X tag to point to it...
05:50:00JdGordonor change the wps file to point to that bmp instead
05:50:44BigMacwhat size does it need to be scaled to?
05:51:13Paul_The_NerdThe resolution of your screen.
05:51:20Paul_The_NerdWhat iPod do you have?
05:51:53BloodySorcererPTN, nice assumption on the ipod there :)
05:52:25Paul_The_NerdBloodySorcerer: I remembered him having an iPod from earlier, but was only about 80% sure it was 5G
05:52:42BloodySorcererin that case, nice memory :)
05:53:13BigMacwere is should i save the file?
05:53:21BigMacin .rockbox?
05:53:24JdGordonBloodySorcerer: na, your right... its fairly easy to guess who has an ipod or not by their questions... but BigMac has been here before so not a real guess
05:53:46JdGordonBigMac: ususally .rockbox/wps/<wpsname>
05:53:55BigMacthank you
05:54:23BigMacso i just save it over a current bmp
05:54:31JdGordonthere is probably a background.bmp there to save over
05:55:10BigMacin wps i have all the themes folders but i cant find a backgroung .bmp in there anywere
05:55:36BigMacall the b's are bat
05:55:40JdGordonin the wps/<wpsname> fodler there is no background.bmp or similar ?
05:56:07Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Well, there's probably a BMP it uses for the background. Just look for the one with the biggest file size.
05:56:32BigMacin the backdrops folder there is some bmps with the theme names
05:56:39BigMacbut none in the wps folder
05:56:45*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
05:56:53Paul_The_NerdIn the WPS folder, there should be another folder with your theme's name
05:56:55Paul_The_NerdGo into that
05:57:05Paul_The_NerdThen save it over the largest .bmp file there.
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05:58:48BigMacok it is bg but that has all the blackglass bars on it, do i need that all on this pic? or does it configure itself?
05:59:16BigMaclike the pause bar and stuff
05:59:45JdGordonits prob bg
06:00:03aliaskJdGordon: What did you want that PHP thing to do?
06:00:10Paul_The_NerdBigMac: You need anything you want to have.
06:00:13JdGordonand it probably puts other bmps over the bg, so if your bg doesnt have them its no real big deal
06:00:28JdGordonaliask: dump some info from a form to a txt file
06:00:37BigMacwell im making a backup of the bg file just in case
06:00:38JdGordonive got someone doing it already :)
06:00:51aliaskOk then, I love PHP though :)
06:00:58JdGordoncept in js i tihnk, so i might change it to php if its no good
06:01:11JdGordonhehe, ill keep u in mind if that happens
06:01:31BigMacand where is the file were i have to change %x
06:01:39Paul_The_Nerd%X not %x
06:01:41JdGordonu dont if u kept the filename
06:01:47Paul_The_NerdThere's only one %X, and you don't have to change it if you saved over the old file
06:01:49JdGordoni mean i you overwrote the bg file
06:02:03BigMacill test it now
06:04:03*JdGordon wonders how many idiots are gonna try emaling my dummy email because of problems with the auto build system :)
06:06:25BloodySorcerersomewhere between 0 and 25 i'd wager.
06:07:03BigMack the screen came up but it doesnt look right
06:07:19BigMacthe bar is all meessed up and the text is everywere
06:07:45BigMacparts of it are missing
06:07:50JdGordonwell ye
06:07:52BigMacand the top bar is gone
06:07:58JdGordonthey were parts of the orgional background
06:08:11BigMacthe bottom bar is up
06:08:29BigMacwell how do i make it so it looks like it did before
06:08:35BigMaccept with this picture
06:08:49JdGordondoes the origional one have pink all over it?
06:09:01BigMacno i dont think so
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06:09:17JdGordonok, well u need to copy the missing bits onto your bg
06:09:27JdGordonalso and pink bits need to be copied too
06:09:28aliaskHrm, I think someone should look at this, the 100 Most recent changes page (for the wiki) is broken. (
06:09:34JdGordonand they have to be pixel perfect
06:09:48BigMacyah like thatll happen sigh
06:09:59JdGordonaliask: works here
06:10:22aliaskAre you getting the latest ones though? On that page I'm getting only up to the 20th
06:10:34BigMacis their anyway i can take a screenshot of it
06:10:42JdGordon 13 Jul 2005 - 01:37 UserListByPhotograph TWikiContributor is the last one
06:11:10Paul_The_NerdBigMac: You *really* should get around to reading the manual some day. The Screen Dump should be mentioned in it.
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06:11:30JdGordonaliask: still wanna do that php page?
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06:12:36JdGordon:) all i need is a form which has a text field for email, a drop list and some way to get lots of text from the user, it all needs to be appended to the file BUILDS
06:12:54JdGordoni dont think thats hard but its beyond me atm :p
06:13:05aliaskOk, shouldn't be a problem
06:13:11JdGordoncheers :)
06:13:14BigMac.manual doesnt work
06:14:21Paul_The_NerdHow do you mean "doesn't work?
06:14:41BigMacThe requested URL /manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060617.pdf was not found on this server.
06:14:46Paul_The_NerdHm, it works for me.
06:15:00Paul_The_NerdBut the screendump feature apparently isn't in the manual anyway
06:15:07Paul_The_NerdI wonder if that's intentional
06:15:32Paul_The_NerdAnyway, there' a screendump option in the debug menu. Enable it, and when you plug in USB, it takes a screenshot instead of connecting. Disable it when you need normal USB again
06:17:36BigMacand were does it put the image
06:18:50JdGordonin the root of the hdd
06:18:54JdGordon /
06:21:06BigMacthats what it looks like
06:21:12BigMacnow what can i do to fix it
06:21:14JdGordonthat looks ok
06:21:20JdGordonhow do u want to fix it?
06:21:29BigMacthe backgorund looks fine
06:21:40BigMacbut all the bars are broken
06:21:57JdGordoncopy the bars from the origional bmp onto your new background
06:21:58BigMacand the text is off to far to one side
06:23:03BigMacwhat can i do to get the bar back
06:24:45Paul_The_NerdHe's already told you
06:24:46Paul_The_NerdMore than once
06:24:51Paul_The_NerdCopy the bar from the original bmp.
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06:25:15BigMacyah im doing that now.
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06:25:23BigMacim talking about the bottom bar
06:25:33Paul_The_NerdIt applies to both of them...
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06:26:52BigMacby copying the top bar it fixes the bottom bar
06:27:11Paul_The_NerdNo, by copying the bottom bar it fixes the bottom bar.
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06:47:08BigMacanyone know of a program or someone who could make the background to this transparent
06:49:10Paul_The_NerdYou mean the black bits?
06:50:48BigMacyah the black outside
06:51:55Paul_The_NerdFill it with 255, 0, 255 (used as the transparent color in RockBox)
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06:52:02Paul_The_NerdSee the CustomWPS page.
06:52:22Doomedhey i have a question about tag cache
06:53:24*Paul_The_Nerd waits for the question.
06:53:56Doomedif i have a various artist album, after i click sort by artist, will it come up as Various Artists > name of album > and when i click the song, the song will have the ID3 of the song with the right artist name?
06:54:04Paul_The_NerdI like the people who say "Hey, can I ask a question?" because I'm sorely tempted to tell them "Sorry, limit's 1, so you're all used up."
06:54:43Paul_The_NerdDoomed: TagCache does not yet recognized multi-artist albums as being a single album with multiple artists, but instead sees them as multiple albums of the same name by different artists, and scatters the songs.
06:55:01BigMacno i want it so it is transparent here so i can paste it on top of my current design
06:55:07BigMacotherwise it would cover it
06:55:08Doomedah ok
06:55:16Paul_The_NerdIt would be somewhat difficult to resolve it to work the other way since we can't reliably expect all songs from an artist to be in the same folder or anything
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06:55:39Paul_The_NerdBigMac: I just TOLD you how to make the black parts transparent.
06:55:41Doomedim trying to think of a way to do this
06:55:56BigMacyah but that would be transparent in rockbox
06:56:10Paul_The_NerdDoomed: Name the artist "Various" then create a tree that goes "Artist > Composer" and set it in their composer tag?
06:56:16BigMacthen i wouldnt be able to se the background under it.
06:56:28BigMacit would just be clear all around it
06:56:53Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Oh, you want to add it into the backdrop. You can even use the lasso in Paint to cut a circle out...
06:57:15Paul_The_NerdIn more advanced programs you could select all the black, then invert the selection
06:57:16Doomedi didnt understand that, but it could scan Album artist first right?..
06:57:28Paul_The_NerdDoomed: Huh?
06:57:34Doomednvm im lost
06:57:46Paul_The_NerdIn TagCache you can create your own sorts.
06:57:53Paul_The_NerdPut all the artists in the "Composer" tag on the songs
06:57:57Doomedtutorial anywhere?
06:58:01Paul_The_NerdThen, put the Artist tag as simply saying "Various"
06:58:13BigMaci dont think there is a lasso in paint
06:58:23Paul_The_NerdNo tutorial because the format's not set. Open up tagnavi.config in any text editor and it should be a relatively clear syntax
06:58:23BigMacit just has rectangular select
06:58:36Doomedok ill try that when i find my mp3 player
06:58:39Paul_The_NerdBigMac: It also has a linear select
06:58:53Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Which can be used for your purposes if you can't be bothered to use a better program.
06:59:26BigMaci would if i could. i don't have a job to buy programs
06:59:48Paul_The_NerdThere are free image editing programs that are suitable as well.
06:59:53Paul_The_NerdBut just use the line select.
06:59:53Doomedcough download PS CS2 cough
07:00:13Paul_The_NerdDoomed: Please don't suggest people pirate software in here.
07:00:24BigMaci don't like gimp
07:00:25Doomedlol ok
07:00:52Paul_The_NerdBigMac: So use paint.
07:01:07BigMaci am
07:01:16BigMacbut when i use the other select
07:01:23BigMacit stil selects a box
07:01:48*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
07:01:51Paul_The_NerdThen paint sucks horribly
07:01:59Paul_The_NerdCopy it in boxes, or use a better program
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07:02:22BigMaconce again i would if i could
07:02:27Paul_The_NerdYou can
07:02:29Paul_The_NerdYou choose not to.
07:02:33Paul_The_NerdThere's a difference.
07:03:34BigMacno i can't
07:03:39BigMaci cannot use gimp
07:03:49Paul_The_NerdYou physically can. You can click a mouse.
07:03:53BigMacand i can't afford to buy a better imaging software
07:03:53Paul_The_NerdYou will not use gimp.
07:05:33Paul_The_NerdOne solution is to create a WPS with JUST the backdrop and the image, with the transparent color filled in, no text or anything, and then save a screendump of that WPS.
07:06:32JdGordondoes anyone want to test my build-your-own-rockbox page?">
07:07:25BigMacjd i have a question
07:07:34Paul_The_NerdI swear, if I get support requests for the ouput of that, I'm coming for YOU JdGordon
07:07:37BigMaccould you apply a patch to a build
07:07:57JdGordonBigMac: thats the whole point of that page :)
07:08:01JdGordonhehe Paul_The_Nerd
07:09:11BigMacok so if i say wanted a patch applied to jbuild, youd do it
07:09:24Paul_The_NerdNot applied to jbuild...
07:09:36Paul_The_NerdThat page is for automatically applying patches from the tracker to a normal Rockbox build.
07:09:46JdGordonBigMac: no, find the url of the patch you want, goto that link and fill in the details and wait :)
07:10:00BigMacah nvm. i like my jblackglass
07:11:41BigMacwell i found out i have a copy of image ready on my comp
07:12:15BigMacis their any better way to select a circular object to copy the lasso because it is quite hard to stay steady with it
07:13:26sharpeJdGordon: i had that same idea a while ago...
07:13:44JdGordon:) beat ya to it
07:13:49sharpeyep :)
07:14:01JdGordonits actually the very first perl script apart from assignments that actually does sometinhg :p
07:14:16sharpemidkay: nobody cares.
07:14:41midkaynobody cares that YOU "thought of it before him". which is why i mocked you!
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07:15:27Paul_The_NerdBigMac: I already told you another way to do it, using Rockbox, that's much easier than lasso, but not quite as easy as color-based selection
07:15:27Harryanything new
07:15:31sharpei didn't want anybody to care; i was just informing him that i had a similar idea.
07:15:34Paul_The_NerdHarry: See the changelog.
07:16:18BigMacpaul: like i said before that would make the bakgroung trans parent in rockbox showing nothing. i want it to show the image behind it
07:16:57midkayi was just informing you that i had a similar one too.
07:17:03Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Did you read the SECOND method I said for doing it.
07:17:09Paul_The_NerdIt would do EXACTLY what you said you wanted.
07:17:13Paul_The_NerdHarry: Why the ugly face?
07:17:18sharpei was informing you that nobody cared about you.
07:17:39Harryits a angry/suprised face paul
07:17:45Paul_The_NerdYes, and why?
07:17:48BigMacso its either transparent or lasso
07:17:52Paul_The_NerdBigMac: No.
07:18:04Harryi dont want to see change log
07:18:05Paul_The_NerdBigMac: You aren't listening. The second method I told you will get you *exactly* what you want as a backdrop image.
07:18:12Paul_The_NerdHarry: Then don't ask what's new.
07:19:34Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I like the no support available anywhere bit. ;)
07:20:02Harrypaul wats new
07:20:12Harrysince the freeze lift
07:20:24Paul_The_NerdSee the changelog.
07:20:31Harryo comon
07:20:45Paul_The_NerdYou can read it just as well as I can.
07:20:45Harrycopy paste here
07:21:01Paul_The_NerdI'm not gonna bloody flood the channel just so you don't have to open a web browser window
07:21:39midkayit's prettier on the site anyways.. you could read it, or you could stop asking. the last one especially would be ideal.
07:21:52sharpei'm waiting for that one question of his...
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07:22:37midkayJdGordon: prepare for build overload while i open about ten tabs and request builds in each ;)
07:22:48JdGordonthats ok
07:22:56JdGordonill just erase the build que
07:23:04JdGordoni dont think its set to run for a few hours anyway
07:23:05midkay.. as well as any other innocent users' requests!
07:23:31sharpei'll just pick random patches...
07:23:33JdGordonye, next run is 3.5 hours
07:23:46JdGordonplease do.. i want to test it prooperly...
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07:25:25JdGordonyes, the page looks retarted atm...
07:25:32sharpeyeah, kinda.
07:26:08midkayJdGordon: you need a logo don't you.
07:26:33JdGordonnot really, but i wont pass one up if one is offered :)
07:27:01midkaysigh, if you INSIST so HEAVILY.
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07:27:37BigMacwould i still be able to use my jblackglass based theme without jbuild
07:27:51midkayPaul_The_Nerd: btw, did you ever get forum FTP access?
07:27:57Paul_The_NerdBigMac: No
07:28:00Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: No as well
07:28:03sharpeBigMac: only if you use a build with the same patches the theme requires.
07:28:09midkayPaul_The_Nerd: ah. :(
07:29:36BigMacoh well
07:29:50BigMacill just have to wait till he applies all the patches i want
07:31:07JdGordonBigMac: use my link
07:31:22BigMaci want to
07:31:38Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Julius' patches aren't in the tracker anyway
07:31:40BigMacbut i don't know all the patches i need to keep my wps working
07:31:54JdGordonoh, well that sux
07:31:59BigMacyah i guess
07:32:23BigMacbut the theme is amazing and that is mainly what i use my pod for anyway
07:34:04JdGordonnow to get it moved to the rockbox sevrers :p
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07:36:20sharpeJdGordon: what is the purpose for the short_name/long description?
07:37:24JdGordonshort name is the filename the patch is saved to loaclly, coz im lazy
07:37:38JdGordonlong name is what is in the description f the build when its done
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07:38:06JdGordonim planning on making it so it can save patches so it doesnt have to download them al again every build
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07:38:38JdGordonthe paypal link on it btw is to not me...
07:38:43JdGordonincase anyone cares
07:39:55earHertzSend me cash if you want my nesxt patch
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07:40:47earHertzI'm serious midkay
07:40:54earHertzI'll put for down for $10
07:40:54midkaywhat is it?
07:41:01earHertzI'll put YOU for down for $10
07:41:24earHertzUm, my next is probbaly a highly optimized memcpy for ipods
07:41:39sharpeearHertz: i'll take you up on that offer of putting midkay down.
07:41:48earHertzIt's already done, I just donm't want to release it yet
07:41:51midkaycause you can't yourself!?!?
07:42:01earHertzsharpe: ten bucks and I'll call him a doody-head
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07:42:33sharpeactually i meant putting him down as in you know, taking his life.
07:42:48midkayas you would with a dog, you mean.
07:42:52earHertzsharpe: he HAS a life?
07:43:02midkaylike you've been threatened with so many times.
07:43:03sharpeearHertz: well, we'll find out.
07:43:06JdGordonmidkay: awesome :D thanx
07:43:15midkayJdGordon: hooray!
07:43:24earHertzmidkay: "Build Your Own"?
07:43:32midkayearHertz: JdGordon's new page..
07:43:40midkay"build your own rockbox" with a specified patch.
07:43:47*earHertz suggests adding "Or Pay the devs"
07:43:53JdGordonnot a specified patch... multiple patches...
07:43:54midkayyou submit one and apparently it's compiled automatically and sent to your email.
07:43:58Paul_The_NerdearHertz: It's a form that lets you line up a series of patches from the tracker, and lets an automate build system take a crack at it.
07:44:03midkayJdGordon: right, that.. cool.
07:44:41earHertzJdGordon: how will you control for incompatibel patches, ort patches that only work on certain devices
07:45:07midkay"patching failed, do it yourself"?
07:45:08earHertzchristy, creating an index on 42M rows should not takle this long
07:45:11JdGordonwell if a patch doesnt apply cleanly he build is rejected
07:45:35earHertzand for patches that only work ob device X, there shouls be an ifdef
07:46:12JdGordonuh oh... somethin not workign :p
07:46:19*earHertz smacks JdGordon with a large fish
07:46:20sharpeJdGordon: problems?
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07:46:30earHertzHe can't spell "yes" ;)
07:46:46JdGordonsharpe: ye, my perl script just decided to stop working :'(
07:47:07sharpewhat'd midkay do?
07:47:14earHertzyes, the error is "unexpected end of affirmative"
07:47:16webguest56hello, is there a website where i can download all the themes and crap?
07:47:51earHertzwebguest56: the main site, or look in teh forum for themes
07:47:56earHertzfor crap,
07:52:06earHertzhe midkay what to do me a fasvor?
07:52:42midkaywhat. maybe!
07:52:56BigMacokay another problem
07:53:03BigMaci got all the images set
07:53:08earHertzyou cock is too smal on teh ipod
07:53:13BigMacand it looks great on the computer
07:53:32midkayearHertz: yes, i know.
07:53:35BigMacbut when it is on the pod everything is all messed up
07:53:40BigMacim uploading a pic now
07:53:44sharpewell. i'm going to sleep. g'night.
07:53:52earHertzI use the thingaas a watch. Could you make int bigre?
07:53:57midkaykarl (aka kkurbjun) did some work towards adapting to lcd size..
07:54:14Jungti1234HELLO guys
07:54:16midkayi still have some left to do.
07:54:51midkayearHertz: soon, i think.
07:55:03midkayhaven't coded in a while, when i finish this hl2dm map i can get back to it.
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07:55:18BigMaclook at the bootom bar
07:55:31BigMacand how the top bar is all messed up
07:55:33earHertzJungti1234: it's "Helloohl2dm maop?
07:55:43earHertzhl2dm maop?
07:56:05Jungti1234what's mean..
07:56:17Paul_The_NerdBigMac: You probably didn't put them in exactly the right place. You know it probably would've been easier to just paste a rectangle of your background on top of the existing background image.
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07:56:44BigMachmm good idea
07:56:44midkayearHertz: half-life 2 deathmatch.
07:57:03earHertzoh, jeez. I thought you meant a .map file or something
07:57:14midkayyes, i'm.. writing a .map file.. ;)
07:57:22earHertzwwell, maybe a maopping
07:57:32midkaykidding, sire!
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07:58:50midkaybut anyways. kkurbjun got analog mode, digital mode, lcd mode scaled correctly IIRC. i need to work on bitmaps for binary and plain mode, fullscreen mode might be thrown out, and then just some menu scaling. if he hasn't done that yet.
07:59:07earHertzI like fullscreen
07:59:30JdGordonok, wierd perl problem... .. if i comment out the cat /dev/null line it works fine, if i leave it $#instructions becomes -1?? (i need to clear $build_instructions as soon as its all read)
07:59:42midkayearHertz: alright then, maybe i can come up with an algorithm to generate it. :)
08:00:16midkaysure, no guarantees.. nor any timewise. :)
08:01:48BigMacok two more problems but theyll havta wait till the am
08:02:04JdGordonno perl gurus here aye?
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08:06:16earHertzdhouldn't it be @buiold_instructions?
08:12:30Galoiswhat the hell, why can't you just undef($build_instructions)
08:13:04JdGordon$build_instructions is the filename of the txt file i need to blank after its been read
08:13:26JdGordon@instructions is the array the txt file gets read into first
08:13:47Galoiswell, fine, the perl way would be to open a write filehandle to $build_instructions
08:13:52Galoisand write the empty string to it
08:14:37JdGordonbah, ok, ill do that and stop being lazy :p
08:14:56Galois"If MODE is '>', the file is truncated and opened for output"
08:15:00Galoisfrom perldoc -f open
08:15:07Galoisso it looks like it only needs one line
08:15:39Galoisopen BUILDINFOS, '>', $build_instructions
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08:16:55JdGordondid that, gets the same problem
08:17:59Galois$build_instructions = 'test';
08:17:59Galoisopen BUILDINFOS, '>', $build_instructions;
08:18:03JdGordonhmm... ok problem is elsewere
08:18:05Galoisthis file runs successfully for me
08:18:29Galoisit blanks the contents of test
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08:31:50JdGordonyay, i tinhk its all working again :)
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08:33:17JdGordongrr... it was bloody perl needing a empty line at the end of the file !!!!
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08:36:56JdGordonok, we are all working great now..."> <- test me!!!!
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08:37:09JdGordonuse and abuse me!!!
08:37:16JdGordonwell. the link...
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08:38:52earHertzwow. my opc can run winsdows, ubuntu in a vm, ms sql server, pg sql server, my sql sql server, teh gui clients for all three, and firefox. and only open office and acrobat slow down
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09:19:08JdGordongrr... how do u jumpp out of an inner loop to the start of an outer loop in perl? i remener learning it but forgot!
09:22:29JdGordondw, got it :)
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09:44:47raymondjtrothwuill rock box firmeware work
09:44:51raymondjtrothon ipod shuffle
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09:46:47*scorche wonders how rockbox would alter a shuffle
09:48:01scorcheand good morning Bagder ...might wanna take away the away tag now that you have exposed yourself ;)
09:48:02midkayvoice menus could allow playlists/navigation..
09:48:22scorchemidkay: yeah...but what else?
09:48:34scorcheDoom in mud format so it can be read? =P
09:48:37midkaythat's major in itself..
09:56:13JdGordonho hum
09:56:42JdGordonhey Bagder, wd on the e200 :)
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10:04:49sharpeearHertz: you around?
10:05:34midkaywhat happened to going to sleep a few hours ago, sharpe?
10:05:37earHertzin a sec
10:06:00sharpemidkay: i dunno.
10:06:07midkaythis faker.
10:06:33sharpeah, here we go, guilt is what kept me awake.
10:06:50midkayguilt? about what?
10:07:06sharpeah, nothing.
10:07:19scorchemidkay: you know better...'twas a sharpei joke
10:07:38midkaysigh, another of those..
10:12:06sharpeearHertz: i just thought i'd let you know, i randomly started to work on the malloc/free implementations for like, fifteen minutes and they're working now.
10:12:54sharpethe malloc stuff you helped me with works.
10:14:52scorchedoes anything that earhertz *didn't* help you with work yet?
10:15:18sharpeyeah. the rest of the kernel.
10:15:41midkayas in, stuff that earHertz *did not* help you with.
10:15:45earHertzscorche: I gave him a few pointers and none of it original to me
10:15:58scorchemidkay says:
10:15:58scorchei was just thinking after writing that to you..
10:15:58scorchemidkay says:
10:15:58DBUGEnqueued KICK scorche
10:15:58scorchethat you'd paste it in #rockbox.
10:15:59scorchemidkay says:
10:16:01scorchewith my name and stuff.
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10:19:28sharpehow would that be embarassing ?
10:20:09scorchebe like.
10:20:09scorchemidkay says:
10:20:09scorche"does anything that earhertz *didn't* help you with work yet?"
10:20:09***Alert Mode level 1
10:20:09scorchemidkay says:
10:20:10***Alert Mode level 2
10:20:12scorchemidkay says:
10:20:14scorchei was just thinking after writing that to you..
10:20:16scorchemidkay says:
10:20:18scorchethat you'd paste it in #rockbox.
10:20:20scorchemidkay says:
10:20:22scorchewith my name and stuff.
10:20:24scorcheĀ«ScorchEĀ» Blah. says:
10:20:28scorchemidkay says:
10:20:32scorcheand what excuse i'd use or something.
10:20:34scorcheĀ«ScorchEĀ» Blah. says:
10:20:36scorchei was gonna do </midkay>
10:20:38scorchemidkay says:
10:20:42scorchemidkay says:
10:20:46scorchemidkay says:
10:20:48scorcheDON'T YOU DARE SAY
10:20:50scorchemidkay says:
10:20:52scorcheMIDKAY TOLD ME TO
10:20:54scorchemidkay says:
10:20:56scorcheyou FUCKING BITCH.
10:20:58scorchemidkay says:
10:21:04scorcheĀ«ScorchEĀ» Blah. says:
10:21:06scorcheoh you have any idea how much i am laughing right now?
10:21:08scorchemidkay says:
10:21:10scorchei'll stab you.
10:21:12scorchemidkay says:
10:21:14scorchenot more than me.
10:21:16scorchemidkay says:
10:21:18scorchewell. watch your back or you might get a phone call in the middle of "womenz".
10:21:20scorcheĀ«ScorchEĀ» Blah. says:
10:21:24scorcheĀ«ScorchEĀ» Blah. says:
10:21:28scorchemidkay says:
10:21:31sharpepasting the whole thing isn't really neccessary...
10:21:32scorcheand/or several IMs.
10:21:34scorchemidkay says:
10:21:36scorcheif i can't get it at least i can ruin it for you!
10:21:40scorchei hate /msg in xchat
10:21:42scorcheveryy sorry >_>
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10:21:46scorcheit is to get a whole understanding =)
10:22:00sharpei said it.
10:22:00scorchebut i *so* did not mean to put that in here
10:22:16sharpewell. now we just have to wait.
10:22:26sharpesomeone to complain.
10:22:32scorcheZagor to come yell at me for clogging up the logs? =P
10:23:05sharpethat's what i was thinking actually. i had checked the userlist to see if he was on, when i wondered why he didn't op himself...
10:23:50scorchemaybe they will understand that i _always_ for get that xchat handles /msg that way?
10:23:58CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:23:58*scorche puts on the bambi eyes
10:24:07*scorche combines for and get
10:25:42scorcheinteresting....apparently, i made logbot go to "Alert Mode level 2" with"misunderstanding"
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10:29:31scorcheugh...i cant believe i did that...
10:29:41sharpenor can i.
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10:32:38earHertzok, any one need me?
10:33:01scorcheput me out of my misery?
10:33:40sharpeearHertz: ah. any clue why i have problems with writing to virtual memory after it is mapped to a physical address? :-D
10:34:09earHertzwhat's teh probeklem/
10:35:04sharpewell, when i write to a virtual address, it would seem to write correctly, as after reading the values written, they seem legitimate. but after reading the values a second time, they're not there at all.
10:36:29earHertzthen your map has failed, ort you've overwritten the values
10:36:43earHertzis teh actual addres teh same on rt write, the first read, anfd teh second?
10:37:04earHertzyou're sure/
10:37:18sharpe"0xc0000000 = { 4, ffffffff }; 0xc0000000 = { -1, ffffffff }"
10:37:24sharpeis the two messages printed
10:37:36earHertzyeah, what's that mean?
10:38:18sharpeaddress of header = { length, data }
10:39:04earHertzyou're overwriting length
10:39:22earHertzis length at teh beginnign or the end of teh mmeory you give to the caller?
10:39:49sharpelength isn't actually given to the caller, the address of data is...
10:39:54earHertzyeah, I know
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10:40:10earHertzbut is length at an adress priortr to or after the address teh caller gets
10:40:16sharpebut i really don't think it's overwriting it, as the messages are printed one after another.
10:40:31earHertzwell, -1 is ffffff
10:40:43sharpethe length in this case is at c0000000...
10:40:59earHertzand what does teh caller get?
10:41:50earHertzit's not an endian issue
10:41:59earHertzI don't thinkl
10:42:07earHertzcan you step through in a debugger?
10:42:31sharpeah. does bochs have some form of debugging?
10:42:41earHertzdon';t do it in bochs
10:43:01earHertzdo in in gdb under your own os
10:43:46sharpedon't have gdb available... actually, i think it's a mapping problem.
10:44:04earHertzwhat do you mean gdb isn't available?
10:44:18sharpeoh. damn.
10:45:05sharpei don't have it.
10:45:11earHertzso, get it
10:45:42sharpei will in a moment. :)
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10:49:25DoubleThink2would writting something for dos be very different to writting a module for rockbox?
10:49:33DoubleThink2or a plugin
10:49:46sharpedepends on how you think about it.
10:50:36earHertzDoubleThink2: what's teh REAL question? ;)
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10:51:25sharpewe've not anyone who's tried to port a dos application to rockbox yet...
10:51:30DoubleThink2I was just thinking of porting something just for the hell of it to try to learn...... but... a bit clueless about coding for rockbox
10:51:47sharpethere is a handy plugin api...
10:51:51earHertzporting what?
10:52:02DoubleThink2I haven't though that far ahead yet
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10:52:21DoubleThink2is there documentation for the api?
10:52:59sharpeah... /apps/plugin.c and /apps/plugin.h :)
10:53:17DoubleThink2yeah that's what I thought it would come down to
10:53:27DoubleThink2just reading the code and learning that way
10:53:32earHertzDoubleThink2: basically, you interact with the rest of rockbox theroough function pointers.
10:53:40sharpepointers are fun!
10:53:55DoubleThink2..... that was sarcastic right? O_o
10:55:02sharpeif you get paid to think they're fun, then no, it wasn't sarcasm. :)
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10:56:06DoubleThink2I am not going to get paid for that.... doing an engineering degree...learning programming for the hell of it
10:57:48sharpeearHertz: i know what the problem is. i never mapped it correctly.
10:57:48*scorche hugs midkay =(
10:58:00*midkay stabs scorche angrily
10:58:13*scorche loves midkay
10:58:44midkayyou really show it.
10:59:12scorchefor the good ol times?
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10:59:22earHertzfor great justice?
10:59:24linuxstb_DoubleThink2: What are you planning to port?
10:59:32sharpescorche: eh?
10:59:35earHertzsharpe: good work
10:59:47sharpeand i fixed it...
11:00:26DoubleThink2I don't have anything in mind... but if I did it would be something really pointless that nobody would want
11:00:50sharpeDoubleThink2: that's like the plugins i write!
11:00:55sharpewelcome to the club!
11:01:18DoubleThink2I don't have time to do anything serious =(
11:02:15sharpeone of the things i've done is a port of SIDE, which i never finished. and a written-from-scratch c64 emulator...
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11:03:40sharpespace invaders arcade emulator
11:03:58sharpestands for space invaders didactic emulator...
11:04:03*earHertz makes waka-waka space invaders noises
11:04:27*earHertz destrotys tyour base
11:04:41earHertzNow all your base are belong to me
11:06:22DoubleThink2is making plugins using c# realistic?
11:06:46scorcheom..not quite
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11:06:57apo`*WB(juxtap)WB* - <juxtap> craftkid, rockbox doesn't actually work, this whole thing's a hoax
11:07:09DoubleThink2heh wth?
11:07:20scorcheDoubleThink2: he has a script or soemthing
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11:07:26scorcheand no
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11:07:45DoubleThink2VB? =D
11:07:50sharpehowever, if you say 'c' you're good.
11:07:52DoubleThink2(I know)
11:07:54scorchemaybe he has a time limit or something of the ilk
11:08:14sharpeactually, strangely enough, we have ported VB libraries.
11:08:58DoubleThink2oh O_o
11:09:11sharpeand now only if you said, "really?" i could deliever the punchline.
11:09:30DoubleThink2ahmmmm hang on
11:09:32DoubleThink2....... really?
11:09:38sharpenope. i'm lying.
11:10:05DoubleThink2lol now I am just confused
11:10:08DoubleThink2but ahmm... ok
11:10:29sharpewe use C... and a bit of architecture specific assembly...
11:10:46DoubleThink2why not C++?
11:11:21scorcheamong other reasons =)
11:12:00earHertzbigotry ;)
11:12:33earHertzon a freestanding implementation, tehere's no reason C++ should be bulkier or less efiicent than C
11:12:38DoubleThink2why do you make it sounds like I am clubbing baby seals?
11:13:09earHertzDoubleThink2: I'm saying NOT using C++ is bigotry ;()
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11:13:18earHertzI'm sayin git with a snmile :O)
11:13:40earHertzI'm a buig fan of C++, and in fact, we're moving in 3.0 in a more OO direction
11:14:35DoubleThink2oh ok
11:15:05DoubleThink2OO: Object oriented right?
11:16:25DoubleThink2hmm ok
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11:27:35apo`[11:07:54] <scorche> maybe he has a time limit or something of the ilk < *nods*
11:27:57apo`3 hours it was, I think
11:28:35*scorche beams
11:32:08DoubleThink2is it possible to boot into linux straight from rockbox?
11:32:29earHertzrb isn't linux
11:32:44DoubleThink2yeah but to boot into iPL from rb....
11:32:47scorcheDoubleThink2: as, like a live cd?
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11:33:04scorcheboth ipl's and rockbox's supports the other
11:33:04earHertzreboot and go to the bootloader
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11:33:38scorcheon rockbox bl, menu is to go into apple, and play is to go into ipl
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11:34:05DoubleThink2what about having that as a menu in rockbox?
11:34:10DoubleThink2once rockbox is loaded
11:34:14earHertzfast forward goes to eniac
11:34:28earHertzDoubleThink2: iopods van't rolo yet
11:35:08DoubleThink2'rolo'? O_o
11:35:11scorchein other words, no...not yet
11:36:01DoubleThink2ok =(
11:36:48DoubleThink2and... when the rockbox logo comes up when it loads.... is that to load stuff in the background or just to look pretty?
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11:37:04scorcheRoLo is "the rockbox loader"...basically it allows you to load different firmware files that are on the disk
11:37:18scorchecurrently, only archos models have that ability
11:37:29linuxstbAnd cowon and iriver...
11:37:40linuxstbBasically, just the ipods don't at the moment.
11:38:01earHertzlinuxstb: oh, I haven't seenyou since; thanks for adding my paych to cvs
11:38:11linuxstbEr, which one?
11:38:35earHertzipod video lcd duff's device
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11:39:12linuxstbHave you given up on writing an asm version?
11:39:15DoubleThink2hmm... rb devs seem so much more active than iPL ones
11:39:24earHertzlinuxstb: you didn't hear?
11:39:33earHertzI took the hotdog asm version
11:39:38linuxstbI read about your benchmarks, yes.
11:39:43earHertzbut it's quiote odd
11:40:05scorcheouch...the wiki is quite outdated on rolo/rombox
11:41:18earHertzessetailly, the C code is faster than the asm for large upadrtes, teh asm fastre than teh c code for small. It has to do with teh 14ms required fior tthe lcd to update
11:41:19linuxstbDoubleThink2: It's also that Rockbox is a single application, whereas IPL development is much more fragmented, with people doing their own things. So you may not notice every IPL related development.
11:42:50DoubleThink2yeah fair enough
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11:46:43sharpealright... finally sleep now.
11:46:49sharpeg'night everyone.
11:47:25*dionoea wakes up
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11:57:41DoubleThink2gah.... rockbox froze O_O
11:59:26dionoea"freeze lifted" ...
11:59:29*dionoea hides
11:59:57DoubleThink2heh nvrm me....
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12:11:01apo`DoubleThink2: Rockbox freezes all the time ~_~
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12:15:45DoubleThink2seems relatively stable though...
12:19:35midkayit doesn't for me..
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12:19:53midkayi mean it doesn't freeze.
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12:20:35apo`*WB(juxtap)WB* - <juxtap> craftkid, rockbox doesn't actually work, this whole thing's a hoax
12:21:00juxtapapo`, is it even funny anymore? :p
12:21:11midkaywho *is* apo`?
12:21:53midkayalmost seems trollish. *stares*
12:22:04apo`I removed it already
12:22:08apo`But my client crashed
12:22:40midkaywhat's with that autopaste quote?
12:22:51apo`I like it :P
12:23:20juxtapi'm typing with one hand so let apo` explain
12:23:29juxtap(another funny quote)
12:23:36midkay.. okay..
12:23:38*apo` runs
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12:27:02apo`[12:21:11] <midkay> who *is* apo`? < Um...
12:27:05apo`A rockbox user? :P
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12:28:15midkaythat's very clear from "it freezes all the time" and autopaste quotes each time someone joins.. :)
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12:29:51midkay^^ indeed.
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12:32:17DoubleThink2.....does using hold while rockbox is loading clear the settings? >_<
12:32:46midkayyeah. :)
12:32:52midkaybetter set them all and save a config.
12:33:01DoubleThink2....that's not convinient.... that's not convinient at all
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12:33:16midkayno, but useful in a few cases.
12:33:21midkayit should be changed IMO and probably will..
12:33:39DoubleThink2oh... I had a saved cfg file =)
12:33:40dionoeasetting hold and pressing select :)
12:33:44midkayor at least it should write a .cfg file before resetting so you can load it if it was accidental.
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12:39:02DoubleThink2sudo ./write_loader
12:39:19DoubleThink2my bad.... that was meant to go into terminal.... wrong window >_<
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12:46:36qwmbig fucking yawn.
12:46:54qwmthis heat wave makes it impossible to get any reasonable sleep.
12:47:13DoubleThink2heat wave? O_o
12:47:22bluey-sleep naked :)
12:47:47midkayi'm nak.. mind!
12:47:52qwmnever experienced a swedish summer this hot before, i think.. maybe 1995.. but that's ages ago.
12:48:00DoubleThink2what temp?
12:48:08midkaywhat a liar qwm is.
12:48:13bluey-i thought sweden is cold
12:48:13qwmover 25C outside all the fucking time. :(
12:48:18midkay"maybe 1995".
12:48:20qwmnot during the summer.
12:48:23DoubleThink2lol..... wth
12:48:31bluey-lol 20C
12:48:36DoubleThink2You wouldn't like living in Australia then
12:48:36bluey-25 C is nothing :)
12:48:46midkayoh yeah, i think the pencil was in vented in maybe.. april 7th, 1852 at 9:04am.
12:48:46apo`It's like 40C here
12:48:48DoubleThink2lol... 25C... heat wave.... O_o
12:48:52qwmoh my.
12:49:05qwmaccording to swedish standards.
12:49:08midkayi haven't seen #rockbox this active since.. maybe.. 2 hours 6 minutes 25 second ago!
12:49:29qwmknow why? because weather is interesting to talk about. ;)
12:49:31JdGordonho hum
12:49:42JdGordonsomeone fix the user keyboards! mmmm broke em :D
12:49:45midkayi haven't been this sweaty in.. maybe 16 days 4 hours 42 minutes 59 seconds and 99 milliseconds.
12:50:39midkayi haven't heard the made-up word "AfddakDFJkjeakaFdADS" in maybe... 93 years, 8 months, 24 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes and 47 seconds.
12:51:24qwmhardly a word, but alright!
12:51:26DoubleThink2anyway... back to whatever it is I do...
12:52:04midkaysad fasdf 5y 3m 2d 5h 54m 30s akdfhk sagf? no, i heard that one within the past few days.
12:53:07midkayyes. YES. i'm positive.
12:53:10apo`You heard sad fafdf 5y 3m 2d 5h 54m 30s akdfhk sagf
12:53:47midkayi'm sure of it.
12:55:17JdGordondoes anyone understand the user keyboard loading code?
12:56:06JdGordonwho is phaedrus961 ?
12:56:31midkaywho is this JdGordon fool.
12:57:04midkayi don't know about pfaderdrus.
12:57:11midkayplease don't hurt me. :(
12:57:12*JdGordon is trying to kill bugs and all you ppl do is joke :'(
12:57:24*JdGordon runs away and never returns
12:57:29midkaytake all my money if you want.
12:57:33midkaytake my fireworks code! :'(
12:57:35JdGordonoh alright
12:57:37JdGordonill stay
12:57:38midkayhey. wait.
12:57:39midkaynever mind.
12:57:41midkayyou were running away.
12:57:43midkayget back out of here.
12:57:57midkayi'll take YOUR money, son!
12:58:33JdGordonmidkay: did i tell u my suggestion for fireworks?
12:58:50midkayall the flashy stuff like smoke trails and spinning fireworks and stuff. yeah.
13:00:05JdGordonand draw the launcher on the remote lcd :)
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13:00:26midkay.. haha.
13:00:33midkayi never caught that one but FORGET IT.
13:00:54JdGordonhehe oh well :p
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13:11:36JdGordondoes anyone mind if i redo the user keyboard loading coz the code makes no sense to me at all? :D
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13:12:48DoubleThink2what's the diff between initialise now and update now..... and ... what do they actually do?
13:14:02JdGordonlinuxstb: is it better to use a static array of say 512chars and messyer code, or just steal the plugin buffer and much nicer code? (this is in the core, not accessable from in a plugin)
13:14:41linuxstbCan't you just use 512 bytes on the stack?
13:15:03JdGordoni dunno, can i?
13:15:18linuxstbThe main stack is 8KB I think, so there should be space.
13:15:20bluebrotherDoubleThink2, initialize does a complete initialize, removing the old tagcache. Update just scans for new / changed (?) files.
13:15:42JdGordonwhat about 1kb? or is that pushing it?
13:15:49DoubleThink2ah ok thanks
13:16:14*linuxstb thinks he has rolo working on the ipods...
13:16:19*freqmod thinks "remake tagcache" would be a better name than initialize
13:18:24sharpelinuxstb: yay?
13:19:40midkaysharpe: second "i'm going to bed"-but-not-really tonight, or third?
13:19:55sharpetwas the second one i believe.
13:21:24midkaystill, one is too many!
13:21:45sharpeindeed. maybe i have insomnia...
13:21:59freqmodIf I make a patch to fix a bug should I put it as a bug or a patch in the bugtracker?
13:22:16sharpepatch. in the patch tracker.
13:22:38midkayon a steep hill, do telephone poles and street lights stick out from it at a 90* angle or remain straight up?!
13:23:02freqmodbtw. can sombody confirm/reject that the down button on the keyboard is broken on cvs builds for iPod (video)?
13:23:18midkaythe down button?
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13:24:04freqmodwell, next, to get to the character on the next line e.g from A to H
13:24:21midkayon the scroll wheel?
13:24:27midkayscrolling up works and down doesn't?
13:25:21freqmodi have made a patch to fix it for me...
13:25:29midkaythere was a keyboard change in 19th july, potentially related.
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13:31:08freqmodPosted bug: (forgot to edit to type: patch)
13:36:02JdGordonfreqmod: im playing in that file now, so ill put that straight into my changes, hopefully my patch will be accepted...
13:36:11JdGordonjust incase no1 commits that
13:37:06JdGordonhang on.. whats the bug?
13:39:45freqmodJdGordon: I can not scroll down from A to H it just changes to line_edit mode
13:40:25freqmodit might be that my rockbox source is edited to death (but i got a fresh keyboard.c from cvs)
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13:41:13JdGordoncan u build the sim?
13:41:47JdGordonoh, actually dw
13:41:56GnelikBagder: hi
13:41:59*freqmod is doing a cvs up in a clean rockbox source and building the sim
13:42:02JdGordonmy bad, i thought the ipod and h300 acted the same way in that screen... which they dont
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13:46:40freqmodsame error in clean source with sim, the patch fixes it.
13:46:57*freqmod is afk
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14:10:14pillmy ihp140 is behaving weirdly
14:10:21pilltakes ages to boot
14:10:29pilland play some tracks
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14:10:40pilli hear weak tak tak noises when pressing my ear on it
14:10:58pillbut i diagnosed me hd with easy recovery and all
14:11:05pilland it says "no failure"
14:11:18pilli think the hd is dying anyway
14:11:23pillit pisses me off
14:11:55JdGordonyay, this patch is gonna kick ass :D
14:12:17pillso now i'm about to spend some money
14:12:21pillshall i:
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14:12:31pill1- buy a MK6006GAH
14:12:36pill2- buy an ipod nano?
14:12:57pillanyone here using a nano?
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14:13:18freqmodJdGordon: What does the patch do?
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14:13:52JdGordonfixes the loadable keyboards which were broken by a recent update
14:13:56t0maspill: sorry, don't know those players
14:14:04pillokay :(
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14:14:07t0masor eh... do know, but don't have one
14:14:15qwmpill: i use the nano editor!
14:16:32dionoea"loadable keyboards", what are those ?
14:16:47_FireFly_qwm: nano editor != ipod nano ;)
14:16:55JdGordondifferent virtual keyboard layouts
14:18:02dionoeaneat :)
14:18:06dionoeais that already in CVS ?
14:18:32qwmfinik: as a matter of fact, i use both!
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14:19:43JdGordondionoea: it is, but its broken on targets with the remote
14:20:11*qwm took the red pill
14:20:36dionoeaJdGordon: how do you change the layout ? is that explained in the doc ?
14:21:07JdGordonreally badly in the wiki somewhere i tihnk
14:21:30JdGordonbassically u just type your layout onto a txt file and rename it something.kbd and put it in the .rockbox folder and run it
14:21:31qwmanyone here who eats more than one pill a day?
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14:22:53dionoeaJdGordon: what encoding should the text be in ? UTF-8 ?
14:22:58dionoeaor does it guess it ?
14:23:04JdGordonutf-8 is good
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14:23:12qwmsurely, you'd take a C vitamin pill if you had a vitamin C deficiency?
14:24:28freqmodJdGordon: how do you change layouts? (iPod interface)
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14:24:40JdGordonsame way, make the file and run it
14:24:43qwmanyone who has been to # .
14:24:43qwm# British slang for an Ecstasy pill, and American slang for recreationally used prescription drugs.
14:24:46qwm# A disagreeable or tiresome person (E.g., He is a pill.)
14:24:56qwmfuck. that pretty much ruined it.
14:25:08qwmi'm such a bad selecter.
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14:25:22dionoeaJdGordon: how to you tell it to start a new line on the keyboard ? \n doesn't seem to work
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14:25:42JdGordondionoea: ye, you need to fill it with spaces
14:25:47qwmsometimes you just need to take the pill, though.
14:25:53JdGordonPITA but no other way
14:25:56qwmfill that cavity with a pill.
14:26:00dionoeaJdGordon: that's kind of stupid :) i'll fix that
14:26:17JdGordonna, it makes everything easier in the code
14:26:24JdGordonwhich is better than making it easier for the user :)
14:26:31JdGordonseen as this feature is almost enever used
14:26:31dionoeaerr ...
14:26:56dionoeaJdGordon: i'll try to make an easy fix
14:27:14JdGordonha, good luck
14:27:18JdGordonthe code is horrible :)
14:27:29JdGordoni mean, well.. there is an easy fix.. but its not so nic
14:27:42dionoeabtw, which source file handles that loading keyboards stuff ?
14:27:58*qwm thinks pill may be afk
14:28:20dionoearecorder/keyboard.c ?
14:28:43dionoeahehe, MORSE input :)
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14:29:24JdGordondionoea: actually.. no.. there is no easy fix possible :D
14:29:33dionoeawhy ?
14:30:22JdGordonbecause the way the whole thing works... what youd need to do is get the code to fill in the spaces, except, when its loading the file you dont know how many columns there are, so u dont know how many spaces to insert
14:30:46dionoeayou never know the number of columns ?
14:31:31JdGordonif its scaled to the font then no u dont, if its always the system font then you do, but you need to then keep track of how many cols u have read while reading the file
14:33:41dionoeaJdGordon: well looking at lines 360 and down ... it looks like keeping the '\n' might be possible
14:34:06JdGordonby all means fiddle.. but good luck :p
14:34:26dionoeaand it looks like it automatically falls back to FONT_SYSFIXED if FONT_UI is too large
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14:36:38dionoeawho should i talk to before changing stuff like that ?
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14:42:17JdGordondionoea: im not sure who knows the keyboard file best.. maybe look at the changes and see who commited them
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14:52:50JdGordonyay, people are using my build your own rockbox page :)
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14:57:13Bagderyou should also provide a link to the build log
14:57:23Bagderso that you can see if a patch failed or similar
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14:58:30dionoeaJdGordon: where is your "build your own..." page available ?
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14:59:08JdGordonBagder: i will, eventually.. :p
15:00:15dionoealooks neat :)
15:00:20midkaydoesn't it already send out "build failed" emails?
15:00:55Bagderwell, a build could still work even if a single patch partially fails
15:01:00Bagderat least in theory
15:01:20midkaydoes it already send out ones for individual failures? *dunno*
15:01:23JdGordonmidkay: it does
15:01:32Bagderbut now, 3-yearold party at the neighbour's!
15:01:45midkayBagder's three already?!
15:01:54JdGordonparty been going for 3 years already??
15:01:56earHertzthe party's lasted three years?
15:02:03earHertzwhaty t is it afrat house?
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15:04:32midkay.. what?
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15:05:06muesli__short q..does rbx run on the ipod mini? are there more than one revision of the mini?
15:05:20midkayyes, yes.
15:05:40muesli__its my gf mini..she will kill me if i break it :o
15:06:10midkayrockbox can't break it; instructions are in the manual.
15:06:22PaulJamthre are two: i think mini g2 has the capacity written on the back, g1 doesn't.
15:06:29muesli__ok...hope its as easy as for the irivers
15:06:59midkayeasier, maybe even..
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15:07:13midkayhaven't installed on an iriver, but it looks a little more complicated.
15:07:51_FireFly_it is easy you have only patch the firmware with the bootloader and update the iriver with the patched firmware ;)
15:08:00muesli__is dualboot still怀possible?
15:08:20_FireFly_muesli__: on what device ?
15:08:24midkayit's there by default (on iPod)..
15:08:27muesli__ipod mini
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15:21:22sidolinwhere can i find patches like scroll margin which apply to the newest cvs?
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15:21:40sidolini only find older ones which dont apply right
15:23:46_FireFly_sidolin: i would say fix the patch yoursef if you can#
15:24:28sidolini'll try but its not so easy for me since i only know python and a bit java and c++
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15:30:50*man_in_shack waves
15:31:52*JdGordon aims, shoots.... misses
15:32:22man_in_shackwas wondering if anyone knew about creative zen players
15:32:33man_in_shackappart from the fact that they suck ...
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15:36:03midkaylike what?
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15:38:13man_in_shacklike the hardware in it ... if it's compatible in any way with rockbox 8)
15:38:43man_in_shackalso if it's possible to repair a button where the little domed metal thing has been forced into the "on" position permanently :P
15:39:09midkayno idea.
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15:54:02dionoeaJdGordon: here it goes:
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15:56:54chendodoes rockbox do APE?
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15:57:18_FireFly_chendo: it can read APEv2 tags if you mean that
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15:57:27_FireFly_at least in wavpack files
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15:58:32elinenbelet latest version of MediaMonkey added Rockbox specific features... nice!
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16:00:52_FireFly_elinenbe: which features do you mean ?
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16:09:43dionoeaanyone here familiar with recorder/keyboard.c who can validate a patch ?
16:11:17markunwhich patch?
16:11:35markunare you working on it?
16:12:41dionoeathis patch: . what it basically does is change .kbd file loading to automatically pad lines with spaces (like what's done with the default keyboard)
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16:13:20PaulJamhas anyone else a problem to get tagcache to work with the latest cvs changes? (i'm using a patched build, so my problems might be related to this)
16:13:24dionoeaso that you don't have to pad with spaces yourself (which can be quite a pain if you change your font)
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16:14:05midkay.. the keyboard display?
16:14:13midkaythe font is always sysfixed there, i'm pretty sure.
16:14:24dionoeanot with custom keyboard layouts
16:14:35SlasheriPaulJam: hmm, what kind of problems?
16:14:58dionoeaif (!kbd_loaded) { param[l].curfont = FONT_SYSFIXED; ... blabla }
16:14:58dionoeaif (!kbd_loaded) { param[l].curfont = FONT_SYSFIXED; ... blabla else
16:14:59dionoea param[l].curfont = FONT_UI;
16:15:04BigMacok how do i move text in a wps down a line
16:15:30midkay insert a new line before it..
16:16:16BigMaci have no idea what to do. just press enter
16:16:30midkay.. yes?
16:16:35midkayit's all line-based.
16:16:55BigMacwhat file do i need to edit
16:17:15FebsThe .wps file.
16:17:15midkaythe .wps file.
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16:17:31midkaygah, beat me very slightly. :)
16:18:20PaulJamSlasheri: if i initialize the tagcache and restart rockbox (after the hd stops spinning) the "committig ..." splash doesn't appear and the tagcache is not ready.
16:19:02BigMac# disable the status bar
16:19:02BigMac# preloading images
16:19:02DBUGEnqueued KICK BigMac
16:19:02BigMac# playback images
16:19:03***Alert Mode level 1
16:19:25PaulJamBigMac: use pastebin
16:19:55midkaywe don't need to see it all, but yes, that's the .wps file. just add a new line.
16:20:03BigMac%m|117|240|6|%al%cb d, H:Mc ;%m|117|240|6|%alBattery: %bt
16:20:05BigMac%?pv<%xdf|%xdg|%xdh|%xdi|%xdj|%xdk|%xdl|%xdm|%xdn|%xdo|%xdp> %?bl<%xdq|%xdr|%xds|%xdt|%xdu>
16:20:07BigMac%s%m|133|290|%al%?ia<%ia|%?d2<%d2|(Artist Unknown)>>
16:20:09BigMac%s%m|133|290|%al%?id<%id|%?d1<%d1|(Album Unknown)>>
16:20:13BigMac%m|113|290|%alTrack: %pp of %pe - %pc [%pt]
16:20:15BigMac%m|113|290|%alCodec: %fc (%fbkbps)
16:20:17BigMac# progress bar : height, left position
16:20:19BigMac%s%m|70|290|%alNext: %?It<%It|%Fn>
16:20:41BigMacwhat part do i change
16:20:43BigMacnone of it makes any sense to me
16:20:43dionoeawow ... that is long
16:20:49BigMacwhat part
16:20:51BigMacPaulJam:what is paste bin?
16:20:58FebsBigMac, that was NOT cool. Please don't do that again.
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16:21:46FebsBigMac, I suggest you read the chapter in the Rockbox Manual on creating WPSes, or read the CustomWPS page on the wiki.
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16:22:22BigMaci read the part in the manual febs. it didn't tell me how to move the artist text down a level
16:22:34markundionoea: I will look at the patch this week and junti sent me some screenshots of problems with the keyboard and korean I want to look at.
16:22:46dionoeakorean ?
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16:23:06*dionoea doesn't understand
16:23:07PaulJamSlasheri: is it normal that when i initialize tagcache now only one .tcd file is created (tagcache_tmp.tcd)?
16:23:22dionoeabut i'll send some screen shots
16:24:35FebsBigMac: the .wps displays on the screen exactly what it has in the file, UNLESS the line contains a tag telling the wps to display something else.
16:24:43SlasheriPaulJam: ah, there is a bug
16:24:46dionoeawell i didn't change anything about the text line, only the upper part
16:24:46Slasherii just found it too
16:25:04FebsSo if you want to move something down a line, just insert a blank line in the file.
16:25:06FebsLike this.
16:25:17Febs(Without the period)
16:25:19markundionoea: I'm just saying there are some problems with the keyboard and I will take a look.
16:25:37dionoeaok :) ...
16:25:50Jungti1234it have 3~4 problems.
16:26:59Drkepiloguehow do you display japanese character on rockbox?!?
16:27:09BigMacFebs:but were in the line
16:27:20BigMaci want to move the wps text down
16:27:21markunDrkepilogue: choose a font with support for japanese
16:27:50markunDrkepilogue: are you having problems with japanese tags in your audio files?
16:28:03Jungti1234or language..
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16:28:13Drkepiloguelanguage doesnt work...
16:28:17SlasheriPaulJam: fix has been now committed
16:28:17Drkepiloguenothing shows up
16:28:26Jungti1234choose font.
16:28:32Jungti1234support japanese
16:28:41Jungti12346+12x13, unifont
16:28:49Jungti1234It support japanese
16:28:59PaulJamSlasheri: thanks
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16:29:45Drkepiloguethanks dood!!!!
16:30:51Jungti1234Drkepilogue: are you japanese?
16:31:04Drkepiloguebut i got japanese song
16:31:07Jungti1234ah.. :)
16:31:08Drkepilogueshows up as blocks...
16:31:47Jungti1234It show up now?
16:31:47midkayBigMac: *anywhere* before the "wps text".
16:32:00Drkepilogueit works
16:32:25markunDrkepilogue: here some more details
16:33:10FebsBigMac, insert a blank line immediately before the line you want to move down. I literally cannot explain it any more clearly than that.
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16:34:30elinenbe_FireFly_: Added iPod plug-in can create .m3u files (for use with Rockbox firmware)
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16:38:50Drkepiloguejust wonderin... who are the main devs that are workin on the ipod port?!
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16:45:25FebsDrkepilogue: linuxstb is probably the most active on the ipod port. preglow has worked on it. dan_a has been spearheading the effort for the 3g.
16:45:41Drkepilogueo0o0o ic
16:45:57Drkepiloguedo u no what is linuxstb is working on for the moment?
16:46:37FebsWell, he just implemented ROLO on most ipod platforms 16 minutes ago, so that would be my best guess!
16:46:41*linuxstb is working on lunch
16:46:52FebsThere you have it.
16:47:02Drkepilogueic ic
16:47:19Drkepiloguewell, i meant things like acutally charing with the ac adpter
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16:47:22Drkepilogueand such
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16:48:57dionoeamarkun: well i fixed the other bug too
16:49:22markundionoea: the korean bug?
16:49:33dionoeathe overlapping chars bug
16:50:11markunHe showed me 2 more bugs: jungti_no_cursor.bmp and jungti_chars_to_left.bmp
16:50:40PaulJamSlasheri: it works now, thanks. And i have another question/suggestion: would it be possible to split the tagnavi.config into two parts, tagnavi.config and tagnavi_user.config, that the user doesn't have to worry that an update overwrites his custom tagnavi.config
16:50:58dionoeamarkun: the second one should be fixed too i guess
16:51:11markundionoea: and you can also download his korean.kbd from my server
16:51:35dionoeai'm not sure that it was korean related ... just that it didn't handle the font width correctly
16:51:44SlasheriPaulJam: ah, yes
16:52:00SlasheriPaulJam: i will try to that soon
16:52:22dionoeamarkun: what font should i use to get the korean chars ?
16:52:34Jungti1234or 6+12x13
16:53:28Drkepiloguewhats ROLO?
16:53:35dionoearockbox loader
16:53:51Drkepiloguecan you elaborate?
16:53:52markundionoea: the korean input method it pretty nice, but I would like to also have support for other things like accented characters for example
16:54:01dionoeait allows loading firmwares in rockbox
16:54:07markunDrkepilogue: old info
16:55:04markunDrkepilogue: load a firmware file without rebooting
16:55:15dionoeamarkun: what font/target were you using ? unifont is too large and 6+12x13 doesn't have korean chars
16:55:28Jungti1234I have only
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16:57:25dionoeathanks :)
16:57:51dionoeaweird ... your webserver doesn't let me download with wget but firefox works fine
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16:58:24_FireFly_dionoea: maybe an agent-string problem
17:00:12Jungti1234dionoea: have any problem?
17:00:16roolkuslasheri: I have posted a few comments re tagcache on the forums and was wondering if you could comment on the issues if you got some time. Cheers
17:00:27dionoeawell it worked fine with firefox ... so it's ok
17:00:44Jungti1234I use IE
17:00:51dionoeahow do you go on the text line using the h3x0 sim in keyboard mode ?
17:01:10Mmmmfreqmod: Just saw your keyboard patch, seems I made a typo! :D Could you try this?
17:01:12Jungti1234what's mean markun? :) help..
17:01:24dionoeai just want to move the cursor :)
17:01:42Jungti1234play + >>l or play + l<<
17:02:13dionoeathanks :)
17:03:10*freqmod will try it
17:03:32dionoeamarkun: this is what it looks like now dionoea/dump%20060723-170231.png">
17:03:46Mmmmfreqmod: Ecellent, I'll commit if you're happy! ;)
17:04:13Jungti1234dionoea: I will check now
17:04:20_FireFly_dionoea: it is a User Agent string problem with wget
17:04:33dionoea_FireFly_: that'd be weird
17:04:50_FireFly_after setting the User Agent string i can download the font
17:04:53_FireFly_with wget
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17:05:51Jungti1234hmm dionoea
17:06:05Jungti1234I have problem yet
17:06:16dionoeawhere ?
17:06:39dionoea"I have problem yet"
17:06:58Jungti1234what 'where'?
17:07:09_FireFly_dionoea: also a empty agent-string works
17:07:15dionoeahehe :) i meant 'what problem do you have' ?
17:07:16_FireFly_-U ""
17:07:32Jungti1234markun said problems.
17:07:40Jungti1234all I have.
17:08:53dionoeamarkun: should i commit my changes ? or would you like to check them first ? (i'm not 100% confident that i haven't broken anything)
17:09:13dionoea(like the remote lcd keyboard for example...)
17:10:26Jungti1234very funny
17:10:48freqmodMmmm:Happy :) (it works)
17:10:54freqmodat least in simulator
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17:11:17Mmmmfreqmod: it should be fine then..I'll put it in, Thanks for spotting it! :)
17:12:11Drkepilogueuh, linuxstb, is there any specific direction to use rolo?
17:12:21Jungti1234come here
17:13:23Jungti1234markun. I want more change about korean input.
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17:14:43Drkepiloguelinuxstb, u there?
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17:15:48Mmmmlook at the _
17:15:54Mmmmhe's still here!
17:16:02Jungti1234yes, yes.
17:16:19Mmmmslipery as an eel that linuxstb! :D
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17:16:34Drkepiloguer u here now!?
17:17:11Drkepilogueim not sure if im doing something worng
17:17:19Drkepiloguebut ROLO kinda dont work.
17:17:51linuxstbWhat are you doing, and what then happens?
17:17:54Drkepilogueim using the lastest CVS bulild, and i just extracted a experimental build
17:18:10Drkepilogueso i have an experimental build on a folder
17:18:34Drkepiloguewhen i try to open the .mod file for the experimental build
17:18:59Drkepilogueit said loadin... then executing
17:19:02Drkepilogueand it hang
17:19:17DrkepilogueHD getting warmer..
17:19:30linuxstbBetter reset then...
17:19:45linuxstbWhich ipod do you have?
17:19:47BigMacsoap: no thanks, i have no interest in making a wps. im just going to mud j blackglass. and so far it works perfect.
17:19:52Drkepilogue4th gen color
17:20:27linuxstbDo you know if it is was sold as a Photo or a Color?
17:21:30linuxstbOK, I think I know the problem - I forgot something...
17:25:18lodesihi, anyone know the format of the data to use with the rb->pcm_play_data(...) ?
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17:26:15lodesiit takes an (unsigned char*), so we can only feed it with 8 bit sound ?
17:29:57linuxstbAFAIK, it takes interleaved 16-bit stereo samples.
17:31:27lodesiok, thx
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17:43:30TucknDarwow, just started Rockboxing some hours ago... Incredible! awesome work, whoever deserves praise!
17:44:13Drkepilogueyay, a person who cares!
17:45:15elinenbeTucknDar: a lot of people!
17:45:49TucknDarelinenbe, yes, seems like it!
17:46:01TucknDarlinuxstb, :)
17:46:58TucknDarI won't paste that list in here, though...
17:47:00Drkepiloguelinux, r u workin on fixing the ROLO thing?
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17:49:56Jungti1234markun. bye
17:52:43markunJungti1234: bye
17:52:57Jungti1234now you answer.
17:53:04Jungti1234so late..
17:53:06markunWas watching a TV series :)
17:53:16Jungti1234I want more change about korean input.
17:53:33markunWhat would you like to change?
17:53:50markunfirst you must learn C of course :)
17:54:06Jungti1234I can't input here it.
17:54:08PaulJamSlasheri: after having thought a little bit about the tagnavi_user.config suggestion, it would be propably better, if the tagnavi.config would be completely ignored if a tagnavi_user.config is present.
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18:01:32CYPER^one question: do I have to update my firmware on every daily build and how?
18:01:48CYPER^just replace the .rockbox folder?
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18:02:18DrkepilogueCYPER: yeah.. pretty much
18:02:33Drkepilogueyou should update yur frim everyday
18:02:41Drkepiloguecuz changes are made every build
18:03:02CYPER^but as I can see from the changelog there are no major changes to the actual firmware, but to some plugins that I don't use
18:03:03Drkepiloguefor updating it... just DL the newer one, and extract to yur DAP
18:03:13CYPER^like: 23 Jul 01:10Antoineuisimulator/sdl/button.c 1.11 Bind F8 key to "on" button (usefull if you don't have a numpad)
18:03:28Drkepilogueyou dont have to
18:03:37Drkepiloguebut generally, whenever i have free time
18:03:39Drkepiloguei update
18:03:48Learcyper: just update when you want to. daily builds can have problems, after all. :)
18:03:52naapcould someone assist me with my problem with my own wps file not being remembered after each reboot?
18:03:53CYPER^I'll just check the changelog regularly and see if the changes are important
18:04:08Learnaap: put it in ./rockbox/wps.
18:06:14naapthank you
18:06:48naapbut shouldnt someone update the website as its saying its supposed to be in the /.rockbox folder?
18:07:07Learit doesn't say that? (If so, where?)
18:07:22naap File Location
18:07:36naapon file location
18:08:05DrkepilogueIf the "played" wps file is located in the /.rockbox folder, it'll be remembered and used for subsequent restarts. Filenames in the /.rockbox folder must be no more than 24 characters long.
18:08:07Learindeed, nobody has updated that bit...
18:08:14Drkepilogueaint that it?
18:08:24naapit worked like half an year las time for me :o
18:08:32naaphalf an year ago
18:08:37naapjust been too lazy to try to fix it
18:09:03naapnow i just snapped hehe
18:09:09naapto annoying
18:09:12Drkepiloguedoes anyone no if the battery life for the ipod improve if i use FLAC instead of mp3?
18:09:26Galoisdepends on which ipod
18:09:45freqmodand if the use of flac makes the disk spin more
18:10:34Drkepilogueim using 4g ipod photo
18:10:49Drkepilogueiono if using FLAC makes it spin more..
18:12:02freqmodyou can look at the disk spinning icon in the status bar
18:12:30freqmodI don't know but flacs are usually much bigger
18:12:39Drkepilogueit is
18:12:50Drkepiloguebut i heard it is easier to decode..
18:13:09dionoeamarkun: ?
18:13:11naapmp3 decoding is optimized well
18:13:27Drkepilogueis there anyway to add my on result to the wiki for the battery benchmark?
18:14:30Drkepiloguemp3 decoding only gives around 5hr and 38min of playtime for me
18:14:54Drkepilogueif mp3 is optimized well, what else is screwin up the bat life?
18:15:21naapdisk spinning?
18:15:37naapDisk power off: yes
18:16:17naapload directories to ram etc
18:16:22freqmodI think I remember reading that the battery benchmarks on ipod don't work correctly, have you meashured the time, before it stops working?
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18:16:37naapotherwise it needs to spin up every time you browse
18:17:07naapturn off backlight :P
18:17:46naapdont use remote if you have one
18:17:49Drkepiloguehow do u load stuff into ram
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18:18:10Drkepiloguei have about 2gb worth of song...
18:18:55theprodukkt hi all
18:18:55naapgeneral settings -> System -> Disk -> Directory cache: On
18:18:56theprodukkt any news?
18:19:34naapgeneral settings -> System -> Disk -> Disk Poweroff : Yes
18:19:38naapthats how i keep it
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18:20:23Drkepiloguei dont have disk poweroff
18:20:26Drkepiloguei have disk spindown
18:20:45Drkepiloguei dont have
18:20:50Drkepiloguegeneral settings -> System -> Disk -> Disk Poweroff : Yes
18:20:53Drkepilogueinstad i have
18:21:00Drkepiloguegeneral settings -> System -> Disk -> Disk Spindown
18:21:01naapi have that + the 2 others totalling 3 options under "Disk"
18:21:16Drkepilogue2 option for me
18:21:27naapgeneral settings -> System -> Disk -> Disk Spindown: 7s
18:21:33naapthats mine too
18:21:38Drkepiloguehow long bat life u get?
18:21:54naaplong enough :D
18:22:15Drkepiloguewhat model u have?
18:22:29Drkepilogueand what version buid
18:22:34naapiriver h120
18:22:53naapmy player kicks arse
18:23:06locoPaulJam: regarding the tagnavi.config overwriting problem, wouldn't it make sense to not include it in the daily builds but have tagcache create it if it is not present?
18:23:13Drkepiloguemaybe the disk poweroff is not implimented on the ipoo..
18:23:25naapthat might be true
18:23:51naapmaybe itll get added to the future builds
18:24:03Drkepiloguelets hope
18:24:18naapi have no idea how much battery it is saving though
18:24:31Drkepiloguefor powering off the disk?
18:24:46naapbut turing the hd off sounds major so i turned it on as soon as i got rockobox :o
18:25:03theprodukkt @devs: how can intgrate strncap and strtok (they arent actually in curren rb version :/)
18:25:05naapand thats looooong time ago
18:25:43naapbut well
18:25:46Drkepiloguehow do i use the directory chache thing
18:26:05naapgeneral settings -> System -> Disk -> Directory cache: On
18:26:10naapdo you have that there?
18:26:13Drkepiloguesaid i need to reboot
18:26:15Drkepiloguei did
18:26:20Drkepilogueand... what now?
18:26:21theprodukkt are there any disadvantages with the dir cache?
18:26:22naapits in use then
18:26:36naapyou have a bit less ram for the music
18:26:43naapbut very little
18:26:55Drkepiloguewhat is different if i use it or not....
18:26:59Drkepiloguecan u elaborate?
18:27:12naapyour disk is NOT spinning when you browse directories
18:27:29theprodukkt this saves batterly lifetime
18:27:44naapif i turn it off i can hear it spin un at the second when i start browsing
18:27:52theprodukkt ^^
18:28:03PaulJamloco: this would propably work too, but i could imagine that having the contents of the tagnavi.config file in the sourcecode would increase the size unnecessarily (i'm not a programmer, so i'm not sure). another thing is, that it might be good to have the default tagnavi.config present for reference.
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18:28:36Drkepiloguesmoother GUI too
18:28:36naapbut well, i got my prob sorted out
18:28:38theprodukkt do u know a site where i can get webspace with ftp access 4 free?
18:28:39naaptake care
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18:29:32locoPaulJam: ok, that's good points.
18:30:21Drkepiloguewhy are there soo many ppl online
18:30:26Drkepiloguebut not active?
18:31:02TucknDarbecause it's IRC Idle Relay Chat ;p
18:31:17Mmmmthey like to watch....
18:31:32TucknDarhm, not sure I've got this right... withTagCache Autoupdate on and Ram on, if I change some tags while iPod (mini2g btw) is plugged into my pc, then disconnect and reboot Rockbox, shouldn't the tags then be updated?
18:31:59TucknDarI've also set it to auto dir cache and rebooted
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18:33:23SlasheriTucknDar: currently no, only new/removed files get detected
18:33:59TucknDarah, ok, so I'm not going crazy. thanks
18:34:17theprodukkt nobody talks to me (ok its offtopic but ..)
18:34:19Drkepiloguehey, do anyone here have any info about the crash thats happening to the 4gens?
18:34:30Drkepilogueseems reallly really weird...
18:35:02TucknDarSlasheri: what if I update a file? as in copy'n'overwrite file1.mp3 -> file1.mp3? will that update the tags?
18:35:19TucknDarsorry, you said only New...
18:36:01TucknDarI'll have to remove them, reboot, add new, eh?
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18:37:31SlasheriTucknDar: no difference
18:37:50Slasheribut that will be fixed in future
18:38:46TucknDargreat, thanks
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18:40:09mordovI have problems with hang on tag uppdate and then the chache files beeing deleted when I restart the palyer... any hope of fixing that?
18:40:30mordovI can't use tag navi as long as it's like that...
18:40:59Slasherimordov: did you try with the bleeding edge build?
18:41:27mordovdayli builds...
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18:41:37mordovit has been like this for weeks now
18:42:02mordovI have nevver had a funktion tagchace for mor that to till tree restarts
18:42:11Slasherithere was a bug that corrupts the db when removing entries
18:42:18Slasheribut probably it should have been fixed now
18:42:24Slasheriplease try with the bleeding edge
18:42:24mordovnothing removed...
18:42:45Slasheriinteresting.. then there is something wrong
18:42:45mordovI only test the tagchace a few times a week to see if it's fixed but no luck so far ;)
18:43:05Slasheriyou should post a logfdump (needs a debug build)
18:43:20Slasherithat should contain necessary information to fix the problem
18:43:23mordovwhere do I do that?
18:43:40Slasheriwhat model is your player?
18:44:00mordovwith a lot of files...
18:44:05PaulJammordov: i think that tagcache can't handle files thet have album art in the tags, maybe it helps if you rewrite the tags of your files and remove the covers.
18:44:25Slasherimordov: then you can try with this:
18:44:30Slasheriit has debug options turned on
18:44:51Slasheribut do _not_ touch the plugins, especially the flash plugin as it can permanently destroy your player
18:45:13mordovsometimes it builds the whole chace but then if I press uppdate somtimes it hangs
18:45:20mordovand that is when the chache is deleted
18:45:39mordovok wount do the plugins :)
18:45:48Slasherimordov: then after you have built tagcache, run logfdump from the debug menu and upload /.rockbox/logf.txt
18:46:02Slasheriand after tagcache fails, do that again
18:46:38Slasheriand when it hangs, you might see some information on the remote controller display
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18:47:59mordovok I'll use the romote for a while :)
18:48:01TucknDarout of curiousity, appx how many mp3 players have the devs broken during development of Rockbox?
18:48:23dionoeanone i think
18:48:23mordovI think I have to ask you agein for uppload :)
18:48:40chendoTucknDar, thank god for those GDB ports
18:50:08TucknDarchendo, sorry, dunno what GDB ports are? explain, please?
18:51:38chendothink some sort of debug port
18:51:42chendoas far as i know, anyway
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18:54:04TucknDarah, ok, so the devs aren't actually testing on a bunch of players... which I suppose makes sense... duh
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18:56:32Drkepilogueu still workin on the fix?
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19:03:41Drkepilogue(> ' ')>
19:03:52Drkepilogue<(' ' <)
19:07:22linuxstbDrkepilogue: I don't think the problem is what I thought it was... Does it work if you try and load the normal rockbox.ipod, instead of the experimental build?
19:07:54Drkepiloguethe normal one, it works
19:08:03Drkepiloguethe expermental build.. nope...
19:08:20Drkepiloguei can try installin the experimental build
19:08:26Drkepilogueas "primaryP
19:08:32Drkepilogueand the lastes at 2ndary...
19:08:37Drkepilogueand see of that work...
19:09:26Drkepiloguebut then agian..
19:09:41Drkepiloguethe experimental wont have ROLO... do i cant do that.. >.>
19:14:01Drkepiloguethe problem is load another frimware...
19:14:08Drkepiloguejust dled a buld yesterday
19:14:15Drkepilogueand same thing happened
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19:21:21Drkepiloguealso, linux, after this, what else are you planning to work on?
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19:38:22Drkepiloguenite yall
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21:32:35BigMaci just made a few wps's can i upload them onto the server or do i have to put them on my own file hosting site
21:33:27Paul_The_NerdAre the patches for your WPS available on the patch tracker?
21:34:17BigMacno its a modified version of jbuild like half of the wps's out
21:37:37Paul_The_NerdI'm thinking that if the patches aren't available in the tracker, the WPSes shouldn't be in our gallery. There are some now, but I'm going to suggest that it change to at least that minimum requirement.
21:38:23BigMacwow. do you know how hard it is to find a pro ie wallpaper
21:39:17Paul_The_NerdNo, and I probably never will
21:39:55BigMacim not using it. im putting it my wps pack
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21:46:48Paul_The_NerdAn IE wallpaper?
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21:53:00Paul_The_NerdLike, a backdrop for Rockbox?
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22:08:39CYPER^why I can't make Tagcache to work
22:08:51CYPER^it doesn't show that screen: Artist, Song ....
22:09:00CYPER^I have around 3000 songs on my ipod
22:09:07CYPER^but it shows them in folders
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22:12:16Paul_The_NerdCYPER^: You didn't follow all the instructions.
22:13:03CYPER^ok let's see: brb 5 minutes
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22:13:53CYPER^To force the database to be built, go to the main menu, then General Settings -> File View -> Force tag cache update.
22:14:00Paul_The_NerdThat's out of date.
22:14:14Paul_The_NerdGeneral Settings -> File View -> Tag Cache -> Initialize Now, if my memory serves
22:14:15CYPER^then where can I see the up to date instructions?
22:14:23CYPER^I did that
22:14:31Paul_The_NerdAnd then you restarted your player?
22:14:38CYPER^the hard drive started spinning for like 5 minutes
22:14:41CYPER^I waited for it to stop
22:14:43CYPER^then restarted
22:14:47CYPER^and still the same
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22:15:04Paul_The_NerdDid you change the file view mode from filetree to ID3 Database?
22:15:11CYPER^oh shit no :)
22:15:17CYPER^maybe that's the problem
22:15:20Paul_The_NerdThat's in the instructions too. :-P
22:15:27CYPER^thank you man :)
22:15:31CYPER^I'll try it now
22:16:57CYPER^it works
22:17:01CYPER^thanks again
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22:21:42CYPER^another problem: first it said: no .rockbox directory. install incomplete
22:21:53CYPER^then error updating playlist control file
22:22:53Paul_The_NerdBut is it all working now?
22:23:46CYPER^when I browse the ID3 Database by Track
22:23:57CYPER^it shows the second warning: error updating playlist control file
22:24:21Paul_The_NerdDid it show the missing .rockbox error when you booted?
22:25:44CYPER^let's try
22:26:18CYPER^now it shows Commiting Tagcache
22:26:24CYPER^and so on
22:26:53Paul_The_NerdAnd does TagCache work now?
22:27:15CYPER^when I browse the tracks and select one to play it showed: searching ... 1300 found
22:27:19CYPER^OFF to abort
22:27:24CYPER^now 2000 found
22:27:31CYPER^and still searching up to 4000
22:27:46CYPER^still searching
22:27:58Paul_The_NerdHow many tracks on your player?
22:28:55CYPER^about 4000, but it's still searching and showing 5500 found
22:29:04CYPER^that's strange
22:29:14CYPER^I guess they are around 5800
22:29:32CYPER^aaaaaaaaaa shit
22:29:41CYPER^on every select to play it starts to search
22:29:42CYPER^now again
22:29:59Paul_The_NerdWell it does have to file them into the playlist...
22:30:22CYPER^for how long?
22:30:36Paul_The_NerdHowever long it took
22:31:34CYPER^and why when I plus it into the computer just shows the USB logo on the screen but doesn't show in my computers?
22:31:38CYPER^my computer
22:31:42CYPER^plug it
22:32:40markundionoea: yes?
22:33:16CYPER^black and white
22:33:22dionoeamarkun: well too late, i commited :)
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22:33:35CYPER^hm now after 2 minutes it showed in my computer
22:33:36Paul_The_NerdCYPER^: Can you successfully boot into the Apple fw?
22:33:49CYPER^I haven't tried but I believe Yes
22:34:52CYPER^I have just 6.36MB free space
22:34:56CYPER^is that a problem
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22:35:46CYPER^aaaa again searching when I try to play a rack
22:35:59Paul_The_NerdI told you it'll search each time, to add the rest of the tracks into the playlist
22:36:11Paul_The_NerdIf you have dircache enabled it should take less time
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22:36:38CYPER^but why from the beggining, each time 5800 tracks
22:36:47CYPER^it takes 2 minutes each time
22:37:03CYPER^I have enabled that options to Load to RAM
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22:38:57CYPER^again and again Searching...
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22:43:21CYPER^no really I don't understand that
22:43:33CYPER^whenever I want to play a track it starts to search
22:43:39CYPER^for 2 minutes it's searching
22:43:40CYPER^for what?
22:43:50CYPER^I can see all the songs in the tracks section
22:43:55CYPER^why does it search them again
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22:48:25markunCYPER^: maybe a reboot helps
22:48:33lodesiwould someone be kind enough, to tell me how to use iram inside of a plugin ? :)
22:49:15CYPER^markun I rebooted it a couple of times
22:49:37CYPER^same things: click the middle button to play a song and it starts to search till 5800 songs
22:50:10markunCYPER^: perhaps file a detailed bug report for someone to look at
22:50:43markunlodesi: look at midiplay.c and mp3_encoder.c
22:51:39lodesithat's what i did, but the iramcopy[], iramstart[]... are little cryptic for me :'(
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22:54:36PaulJamCYPER^: have you rebooted after you have set tagcache to use ram? and do you have dircache enabled?
22:55:07CYPER^dircached is enabled
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22:55:14CYPER^and I disabled Load to RAM
22:55:24CYPER^also Autoupdate is disabled
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22:55:44PaulJamenable the ram option, it speeds tagcache up a lot.
22:55:47markunlodesi: just add IBSS_ATTR at the end of the variable declarations of the things you want in IRAM and copy the code in #ifdef USE_IRAM from midiplay.c
22:55:59CYPER^6356 Songs
22:56:23lodesimarkun: ok, i'll try this, thx
22:56:46CYPER^and why there is no info how long will it take to update, when I press Update now
22:56:50*ender` yawns
22:56:53CYPER^like showing how many songs left
22:57:13PaulJammaybe under info => debug => tagcache info
22:57:46CYPER^Initilized: Yes
22:57:52CYPER^DB Ready: Yes
22:57:58CYPER^Ram Cache: No
22:58:07CYPER^Ram: 0/0 B
22:58:19CYPER^Progres: 0% (0 entries)
22:58:24CYPER^commit step 0
22:58:32CYPER^commit delayed: No
22:58:41CYPER^that's strange
22:58:42CYPER^Progres: 0% (0 entries)
22:58:51CYPER^I have just 6MB free space
22:58:55CYPER^could that be a problem
22:59:03CYPER^not enough space for building the DB
22:59:06Paul_The_NerdOnly if it can't create the .tcd files
22:59:26CYPER^how big can they get for 6300 songs DB
22:59:27PaulJammaybe, i usually have 500MiB of ree space
22:59:37dionoeamarkun: btw, my fix to the "overlapping letters" problem could be improved (if you have time :) ). Each letter currently takes a fixed amount of space. For FONT_UI that's kind of stupid (and not always very readable)
23:01:38PaulJamCYPER^: i don't think that the hd space is a problem, on my device wit ~2600 files the tagcache files only have a size of 370KiB.
23:02:34CYPER^then can I delete all the Tagcache files, so I can start all over again with the whole process?
23:02:47CYPER^which files should I delete?
23:02:51Paul_The_NerdAll the .tcd files
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23:03:09CYPER^tagcache_idx.tcd = 348KB
23:03:18CYPER^tagcache_4.tcd = 424KB
23:03:28CYPER^tagcache_3.tcd = 142KB
23:03:34CYPER^all the rest are small in size
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23:04:38CYPER^can I delete .playlist_control
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23:05:34CYPER^let's try again
23:05:46CYPER^now I disconnect the player from the PC
23:05:52CYPER^then it boots up the rockbox
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23:06:03CYPER^then I go to the menu and select Initilize Now
23:06:07PaulJamCYPER^: and set tagcache to use ram.
23:06:17markunand reboot after that?
23:06:17CYPER^it's set
23:06:26CYPER^reboot right away?
23:06:38PaulJamwhen the disk stops spinning
23:06:42CYPER^it sais something like ..... in background
23:06:50CYPER^and the disk starts spinning
23:07:00CYPER^ok so after stopping stipping
23:07:36CYPER^now it shows: Scanning disk
23:07:40CYPER^for like 20 seconds
23:08:05CYPER^ok: Initialized
23:08:13CYPER^now waiting for the disk to stop spinning
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23:10:20CYPER^it stopped
23:10:24CYPER^too quickly :(
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23:10:58CYPER^again Scanning Disk
23:11:28CYPER^Commiting Tagcache 7/13
23:11:28CYPER^Previously I put ust 13 songs
23:11:42CYPER^I think it remembers them from before
23:11:49CYPER^I'll delete the whole rockbox folder
23:11:52Paul_The_NerdNo, that has nothing to do with how many songs..
23:11:58*Bagder announces that we are now... 54 committers
23:12:20CYPER^hm then how will you explain the previously I put exactly 13 songs
23:13:02Paul_The_NerdBagder: Is that up from 51, or 53?
23:13:15Paul_The_NerdCYPER^: Coincidence.
23:13:16Bagderfrom 53, two more invites are still pending
23:13:21Paul_The_NerdWhich one was accepted?
23:14:09BagderRaenye is in
23:14:32*Paul_The_Nerd goes to do the forum bit.
23:15:58CYPER^hm now I played a track and the searching was exremely fast - 1 second
23:16:05CYPER^let's try another song
23:16:29CYPER^cool - faster searching - 2 seconds
23:17:23CYPER^Another problem - On one screen there are 6300 songs, scrolling is not accelarated and will take 10 minutes to go to the bottom
23:17:31CYPER^any patch about that?
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23:18:05Paul_The_NerdThere is a scrolling acceleration patch, yes.
23:18:25PaulJamCYPER^: why don't you select tracks by artist>album>track
23:19:03CYPER^I'll do it that way most of the time, but it will be nice if there is scrolling accelaration
23:19:13CYPER^there is a patch about that for the video ipod
23:19:31CYPER^oh shit not
23:19:45CYPER^in artist there are again way to many lines (artist)
23:19:54CYPER^scrolling to the bottom is impossible
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23:23:54CYPER^any ideas?
23:25:25PaulJamCYPER^: if you know how to compile, you could try this patch:
23:25:59CYPER^I have no idea how to compile :(
23:26:10PaulJamthen you could try this:
23:26:10CYPER^what will hapen if I install it like that on the 4G?
23:26:25Bagderhopefully I have daily HTML versions of the manual going tomorrow
23:26:34Bagderboth live HTML and zip
23:26:57Paul_The_NerdCYPER^: You can't use a build for a different version of iPod
23:27:13Paul_The_NerdBagder: That ought to be nice.
23:27:39Bagderexample URL:
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23:32:01bluebrotherBagder, great ;-)
23:32:41linuxstbbluebrother: Could you add a target for a single HTML file? It's hard to search the manual when it's split...
23:33:18bluebrotherlinuxstb, I'll do that. But give me some days, I'm really busy otherwise atm :(
23:33:47linuxstbNo problem.
23:34:13Bagderexample HTML manual in a single zip: i
23:34:24Bagderwell, except for the silly extra 'i'
23:37:31amiconnI don't think it's silly. The extra 'i' seems to be good for marketing ;)
23:37:53bluebrotherihttp? Is this a new protocol? ;-)
23:38:10bluebrotherlet's rename rockbox to iRockbox :)
23:39:03linuxstbWell, we do only port to players starting with "i"
23:39:24bluebrotherhehe :)
23:39:39linuxstbok, ok, ....
23:40:40dionoeaiPod and iAudio are done :)
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23:45:24*linuxstb looks at the list of things which don't work on the ipods and disagrees that they're done...
23:46:37bluebrotherbye, be back another day.
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23:47:04dan_aIs there a TODO list for iPods anywhere?
23:47:55juxtapwhat's a good dap that has a line-in jack?
23:48:00amiconnHmm, something is really wrong with tagcache
23:48:06linuxstbdan_a: Not really - I was just thinking the same thing. There's the IpodStatus page, but that's not been kept up to date.
23:49:01linuxstbjuxtap: The irivers - H1x0 and H3x0, plus the old Archoses. Not sure about any others (assuming you mean a Rockbox-able player).
23:49:08S0apthe to-do list is recursive. First item is "Make ipod to-do list"
23:49:26juxtapno i mean any player
23:49:50juxtapbtw, will rockbox eventually support most players?
23:50:33linuxstbIn terms of numbers of sold units, the ipod port means it supports most players...
23:50:50juxtapi s'pose
23:54:24dionoeai've just registered on the wiki as AntoineCellerier. Can someone add me to the "i am not a spambot" group ?
23:54:35Bagderand we will always just support the players people have eager interest to get supported
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23:58:07S0apwhat license is prefered for artwork, etc?
23:58:35dionoeaCreative Commons i guess

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