| 00:01:16 | barrywardell | Bagder: that's great news on the success with the Sansa |
| 00:01:36 | Bagder | oh yes, very thrilling |
| 00:01:48 | barrywardell | what is involved in testing it on the H10? |
| 00:01:53 | dionoea | good night everyone |
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| 00:02:24 | Bagder | barrywardell: 1) decrypt the mi4 2) hand-edit some non-important string in the image |
| 00:02:52 | Bagder | barrywardell: 3) encrypt it again with the same key and edit out the DSA-signatures with 1 + 0 |
| 00:03:09 | Bagder | I just uploaded a fresh mi4code.c that should be helpful |
| 00:03:18 | barrywardell | great |
| 00:03:25 | barrywardell | i'll have a look and try it out |
| 00:04:27 | Bagder | ah, the new mi4code makes step 3 pretty easy |
| 00:04:33 | Bagder | as well |
| 00:04:41 | linuxstb | Is there any way on the H10 to recover from a bad mi4? |
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| 00:05:17 | barrywardell | i think so |
| 00:05:20 | desrt | hello, hackers |
| 00:05:30 | Bagder | we might soon find out :-P |
| 00:05:30 | desrt | a few simple questions −− |
| 00:05:38 | desrt | what is the chance of rockbox bricking my ipod? |
| 00:05:49 | Bagder | desrt: very close to no risk at all |
| 00:06:00 | linuxstb | desrt: AFAIK, no-one has managed it so far - not even developers. |
| 00:06:04 | desrt | the ipod (presumably) has a DSP on which mp3 decompression occurs |
| 00:06:11 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:06:14 | linuxstb | Nope, just an ARM CPU. |
| 00:06:16 | desrt | does rockbox use this DSP to play vorbis or does it do it in straight-up software on the main processor? |
| 00:06:19 | desrt | crikey! |
| 00:06:28 | desrt | apple does mp3/aac decoding in software? |
| 00:06:33 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:06:37 | desrt | weird |
| 00:06:37 | linuxstb | Yes. Most modern DAPs do. |
| 00:06:59 | desrt | is rockbox battery life comparable to stock firmware? |
| 00:07:19 | linuxstb | On every player apart from the ipod it's better than the stock firmware. On the ipods, it's worse at the moment. |
| 00:07:30 | desrt | what is 'worse'? |
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| 00:07:39 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i hope it should be easy to recover. the H10 can work as a UMS device even without the mi4 |
| 00:07:39 | scorche | and the X5 |
| 00:08:05 | Mmmm | dionoea: was that you with the /n commit for keyboard.c? |
| 00:08:07 | linuxstb | The X5 seems to be getting very close, last I heard. |
| 00:08:26 | linuxstb | desrt: Some example runtimes with Rockbox are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 00:08:32 | desrt | very awesome. |
| 00:08:33 | scorche | but, atm, it is still not better than stock =) |
| 00:08:59 | dionoea | Mmmm: yeah ... i hope that it was alright. I was trying to load custom keyboards and i ended up having to pad lines with loads of spaces myself (and the number of spaces depended on the font) |
| 00:09:03 | Bagder | barrywardell: the sansa has a neat recovery mode for that case and I would actually assume that the h10 does too |
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| 00:09:40 | Mmmm | dionoea: yeah that's great..I was just going to apologise for my stupidity in getting rid of one of your lines! :D |
| 00:09:47 | dionoea | well that's ok |
| 00:09:48 | desrt | y'all have been very informative. i think i'll buy an ipod now and install rockbox on it. |
| 00:09:54 | dionoea | btw, did you see the patch on the tracker ? |
| 00:10:04 | Mmmm | nope |
| 00:10:08 | Mmmm | what patch? |
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| 00:10:14 | dionoea | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5703 |
| 00:10:15 | desrt | one last question −− personal preference - who would buy a nano and would would buy a harddrive? |
| 00:10:25 | dionoea | it kind of does what you did ... but differently |
| 00:10:44 | TeaSeaLancs | desrt: See i'd be torn. |
| 00:10:52 | TeaSeaLancs | Now that rockbox runs on ipods it makes them 100% more appealing |
| 00:10:57 | desrt | TeaSeaLancs; i am torn, perhaps for many of the same reason for you |
| 00:11:04 | TeaSeaLancs | (Although 0 x 100 = 0 still) |
| 00:11:06 | S0ap | I'd buy a nano if I wasn't so indecisive. I have no idea what I'm going to listen to any given day. |
| 00:11:15 | TeaSeaLancs | desrt: My current is an X5, and I <3 it. |
| 00:11:17 | desrt | TeaSeaLancs; you did your math wrong :) |
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| 00:11:26 | Mmmm | dionoea: hmmm. I dont think there is much point in having a separate keyboard for the remote... |
| 00:11:27 | TeaSeaLancs | desrt: wtf. |
| 00:11:28 | desrt | i have an iaudio g3 and it just died |
| 00:11:30 | TeaSeaLancs | 0 x 100 = 0. |
| 00:11:41 | desrt | TeaSeaLancs; but "100% more appealing" is x2, not x100 :) |
| 00:12:02 | Mmmm | dionoea: if you want more chars you just have to put them in the main keyboard eh? |
| 00:12:08 | TeaSeaLancs | desrt: But 0 interest x2 = 0 interest x100 = 0 interest xinfinity |
| 00:12:08 | TeaSeaLancs | :D |
| 00:12:17 | TeaSeaLancs | hence my maths is irrelevant. |
| 00:12:17 | dionoea | Mmmm: well i don't own any player with a remote... so i don't really care |
| 00:12:22 | Mmmm | :D |
| 00:12:23 | desrt | you still failed my maths class :p |
| 00:12:31 | TeaSeaLancs | Thank god you're not a lecturer at my uni then. |
| 00:12:32 | goffa_ | hmm... that looks like a nice patch for the x5 that was just submitted |
| 00:12:34 | TeaSeaLancs | :) |
| 00:12:49 | dionoea | anyway, time to get some sleep now |
| 00:12:53 | TeaSeaLancs | Still, Whilst I do like HD players, flash ones are smaller and less prone to breakage. |
| 00:13:01 | TeaSeaLancs | I guess it'll just depend on what's out when I next decide to get one. |
| 00:13:12 | Bagder | goffa_: raenye was just given commit access, we might see some more x5 action now |
| 00:13:13 | BigMac | anyone who has an ipod 5g, im posting my 5 wps for jbuild on the ipv board |
| 00:13:20 | goffa_ | cool Bagder |
| 00:13:29 | goffa_ | i'm going to go compile the new fw now :) |
| 00:13:30 | TeaSeaLancs | At the moment the only decent (recent) HD player out is the G5, and that's only because it runs rockbox. |
| 00:14:14 | desrt | i loved my G3. it was awesome. |
| 00:14:19 | desrt | weeks of play on a single AA battery |
| 00:14:30 | desrt | vorbis, nice and loud |
| 00:14:36 | desrt | then the headphone jack went :( |
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| 00:14:51 | TeaSeaLancs | :( |
| 00:14:58 | S0ap | you tossed a player over the headphone jack? |
| 00:15:05 | BigMac | hey quick question, can i post pics on the forum? |
| 00:15:07 | desrt | i tried to fix it. no avail. |
| 00:15:11 | TeaSeaLancs | I wish there was open source phone firmware as well :D |
| 00:15:17 | S0ap | I'll toss you 25 bucks for it. |
| 00:15:30 | desrt | it's really tiny on the inside and i'd have to pry it apart in a way that would involve soldier to fix it |
| 00:15:30 | merbanan | Bagder: what is the reason for not patching the mi4 bootloader to ignore the DSA signature check ? |
| 00:15:51 | Bagder | because its even nicer not to touch the BL |
| 00:16:20 | Bagder | and 2) its harder to disable the check by auto |
| 00:16:41 | merbanan | yes, but do you have have the private key ? |
| 00:16:52 | Bagder | hehe, we have the best short-cut |
| 00:17:12 | Bagder | we use DSA(1,0) for the r/s values |
| 00:17:17 | Bagder | and it just works |
| 00:17:33 | Bagder | it is most likely a bug |
| 00:17:37 | Bagder | that we can exploit |
| 00:17:38 | merbanan | :) |
| 00:17:48 | Bagder | even mentioned in official DSA specs |
| 00:17:52 | merbanan | ok, then I understand |
| 00:17:58 | Bagder | but obviously not cared for by PP |
| 00:18:13 | Bagder | (or however did the DSA parts in this case) |
| 00:19:00 | merbanan | Bagder: why did they even bother with DSA when they give out the bootloader |
| 00:19:23 | Bagder | God knows |
| 00:19:39 | merbanan | Bagder: do you have any links to the DSA(1,0) thing ? |
| 00:19:53 | Bagder | the new mi4code.t has code for it |
| 00:20:02 | Bagder | and I'm currently writing docs for it |
| 00:20:31 | merbanan | Bagder: I ment the official DSA specs |
| 00:20:35 | Bagder | ah, no |
| 00:20:42 | Bagder | just got this info by MrH |
| 00:20:55 | Bagder | *I* just talk, I don't actually do anything ;*) |
| 00:21:14 | merbanan | Bagder: well it's quite an achivement |
| 00:21:20 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:21:29 | Bagder | it'll be interesting to see if the same trick works on the h10 |
| 00:21:59 | Bagder | because then a rockbox port for H10 should be... well, perhaps not easy but at least feasable |
| 00:22:27 | merbanan | Bagder: is the sansa failsafe, if you flash a bad firmware ? |
| 00:22:32 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:22:37 | Bagder | I did it yday ;-) |
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| 00:24:11 | Bagder | barrywardell: the new mi4code can also decode the h10 BL hex file |
| 00:24:24 | barrywardell | wow, that's great |
| 00:24:34 | Bagder | "mi4code" is becoming a generic decode/encode whatever tool ;-) |
| 00:24:34 | barrywardell | i'm just trying to get it compiled now |
| 00:24:44 | barrywardell | installing the dependencies |
| 00:25:06 | merbanan | when the DSA signing was discovered I though the only thing that would work was to modify the bootloader |
| 00:25:17 | Bagder | yeah, so did we |
| 00:25:24 | Bagder | and mi4code can do that too |
| 00:25:35 | Landus | : / |
| 00:25:45 | Landus | I hate feeling lost with all these terms. |
| 00:27:15 | goffa_ | yay.. led is off :) |
| 00:27:45 | Bagder | Landus: google! ;-) |
| 00:28:06 | Landus | It is possible to Google everything and the be able to understand the information? |
| 00:28:10 | Landus | I tend to have that problem. |
| 00:28:18 | Landus | Not understanding what I'm processing. |
| 00:28:20 | Bagder | it is, it just takes looong time |
| 00:28:22 | scorche | wikipedia! |
| 00:28:22 | Landus | Like subnetting. |
| 00:30:08 | BigMac | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5442.0 <5g users |
| 00:31:17 | Bagder | neat |
| 00:31:29 | BigMac | thank you |
| 00:31:54 | BigMac | they took like 10 minutes to do after the first one which i finished last night |
| 00:35:11 | BigMac | any consturctive critisicm would be greatly appreciated |
| 00:35:30 | PaulJam | BigMac: why don't you use a bigger font, like in the original blackglass theme? |
| 00:35:43 | linuxstb | dan_a: Why have you changed your cpu scaling patch to leave the maximum speed at 75MHz? Did you get problems? Or does MP3 now decode at 75MHz? |
| 00:35:48 | BigMac | thats the only font i have on my ipod |
| 00:35:59 | BigMac | im trying to figure out how to get more now |
| 00:36:23 | PaulJam | BigMac: look on the daily builds page |
| 00:36:27 | scorche | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060723.zip |
| 00:36:40 | BigMac | yah i just dled it:-) |
| 00:36:43 | scorche | located where he said =) |
| 00:36:50 | BigMac | i just paste it into rockbox? |
| 00:37:08 | BigMac | .rockbox |
| 00:37:36 | BigMac | im not sure how to code it to auto use a certain font yet |
| 00:37:38 | dan_a | linuxstb: I figured that one change at a time was probably a better way to get patches accepted |
| 00:37:45 | BigMac | but if i figure it out ill update them |
| 00:38:10 | scorche | Bagder: did you read what i said a while back about that bug still existing in one other form? |
| 00:38:16 | dan_a | I've had no problems at 90MHz, and at the moment 75MHz will probably be too slow |
| 00:38:34 | PaulJam | someone with wiki access should really edit the installation instructions and mention, that the fonts are seperately available. |
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| 00:40:14 | scorche | Bagder: It still has issues if you have the cursor on the last entry, hit menu, and return from menu |
| 00:40:30 | Bagder | what are you talking about? |
| 00:41:23 | PaulJam | BigMac: look at the .cfg files in the .rockbox/themes folder, to see how to specify a font for the wps/theme. |
| 00:41:37 | BigMac | k thank you pauljam |
| 00:42:54 | PaulJam | btw, there is no downloadlink in your post (or i'm too dumb to find it). |
| 00:43:44 | BigMac | no i believe im to dumb to remember it:-X |
| 00:43:56 | scorche | Bagder: remember the bug about it not reloading the directory and not showing the last entry (with it being below the bottom viewable threshold)? |
| 00:44:04 | Bagder | no |
| 00:44:57 | Bagder | I think you confuse me with someone else on that topic |
| 00:45:03 | scorche | " Correct calculation of number of lines in the textarea with the button bar enabled. Fixes a bug where the file browser screwed up when wrapping backwards." |
| 00:45:16 | scorche | possibly... |
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| 00:49:32 | BigMac | k it has a link now |
| 00:51:30 | Mmmm_ | ermmm The default contrast seems to have been changed to 38 (on Irivers) which is nearly black! |
| 00:52:55 | Bagder | to me it looks like the commit only changed the value for the x5 |
| 00:52:59 | BigMac | hmm |
| 00:53:12 | BigMac | how hard is it to convert a fnt to .fnt |
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| 00:54:34 | Mmmm_ | Bagder: hmmm and yet here i have a 38 when i reset the settings |
| 00:54:48 | Bagder | yes, and the code says 38 |
| 00:54:58 | Bagder | and it did even before Raynye's commit |
| 00:55:10 | Mmmm_ | so, 38 has got darker! |
| 00:56:17 | Bagder | perhaps... |
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| 00:57:16 | obo | does lcd_default_contrast() return 38 then? |
| 00:57:18 | barrywardell | good news |
| 00:57:33 | barrywardell | i managed to boot a modified firmware on my H10 |
| 00:57:40 | Bagder | great! |
| 00:57:51 | barrywardell | just 1 string changed |
| 00:57:58 | barrywardell | but its a start |
| 00:58:01 | Bagder | good enough |
| 00:58:21 | Bagder | this is exciting |
| 00:59:09 | barrywardell | i wish o knew more about this stuff. I'm still only just learning! |
| 00:59:59 | Bagder | well, you're the first known person to run a modified firmware on your H10 ;-) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:11 | barrywardell | that's exciting |
| 01:00:23 | merbanan | barrywardell: what version of firmware is it ? |
| 01:00:31 | Bagder | a 010301 one |
| 01:00:32 | barrywardell | 2.51 |
| 01:00:47 | merbanan | 20GC/MTP ? |
| 01:00:52 | PaulJam | does the h10 have a recovery mode like the sansa? |
| 01:00:56 | barrywardell | merbanan: yes |
| 01:01:10 | barrywardell | PaulJam: yes it does. |
| 01:02:34 | barrywardell | it can recover from a bad mi4. probably not from a bad bootloader |
| 01:03:33 | Bagder | just another reason to avoid patching that |
| 01:03:42 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Are you tempted to attempt a Rockbox port? |
| 01:04:01 | BigMac | anyone know were i can dl some .fnt files |
| 01:04:07 | BigMac | i tried google already |
| 01:04:27 | Bagder | rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
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| 01:06:05 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i haven't really got any experience with reverse engineering a firmware or anything like that |
| 01:06:21 | * | linuxstb wishes raenye would write more meaningful cvs log messages... |
| 01:06:36 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Nor had I before I started working on the ipod port... |
| 01:06:44 | barrywardell | i would like to contribute to the effort |
| 01:07:08 | linuxstb | Do you know C? |
| 01:07:17 | barrywardell | yes |
| 01:07:26 | linuxstb | Then no problem. :) |
| 01:07:48 | barrywardell | but i haven't worked on hardware drivers before |
| 01:08:24 | linuxstb | You won't be starting from scratch - a lot of the ipod port will work on the H10. |
| 01:09:02 | barrywardell | i heard that. |
| 01:09:37 | merbanan | barrywardell |
| 01:09:47 | merbanan | nm typo |
| 01:11:06 | * | Bagder tries to bribe MrH into joining us by offering a free Sansa ;-) |
| 01:11:27 | linuxstb | But then we'll know who he (or she) is... |
| 01:11:39 | Bagder | yeah, at least I :-) |
| 01:13:55 | merbanan | Bagder: I'll sponsor with a beer |
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| 01:15:37 | barrywardell | what would be the next step towards getting rockbox working on the H10? |
| 01:17:49 | linuxstb | Personally, I would attempt to get a minimal Rockbox bootloader running using the ipod code that we think will work on any PP5020. This would be without LCD or button drivers, but the ATA interface should work - so a small program which created a file on disk, as proof that it was working. |
| 01:18:07 | Bagder | a very good idea |
| 01:18:14 | Bagder | it could even be tested on sansa |
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| 01:20:58 | barrywardell | so should i look at the ipod code? |
| 01:21:03 | barrywardell | any suggestions where to start? |
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| 01:22:21 | Bagder | barrywardell: get the code, build a bootloader |
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| 01:23:17 | linuxstb | Yes, you could just choose an existing target (e.g. the 4g ipod), build the bootloader, but remove the calls in bootloader/ipod.c to the lcd functions, and remove the ipod-specific button code (and anything else you see which is ipod specific. |
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| 01:25:48 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you know enough to build your own .mi4 file from a Rockbox bootloader? |
| 01:25:55 | Bagder | yes |
| 01:28:55 | * | Bagder has now added a "howto" description on his mi4 page |
| 01:29:10 | Bagder | how to upgrade to a modified firmware |
| 01:32:27 | BigMac | hey were can i dl the tool that converts bdf to fnt? |
| 01:32:59 | Bagder | its in the rockbox source |
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| 01:33:20 | Bagder | convbdf |
| 01:33:33 | BigMac | i can't just dl it? |
| 01:33:50 | Bagder | sure, if you someone who has binaries for you |
| 01:34:01 | Bagder | uh, "find someone" |
| 01:34:20 | BigMac | http://qupada.orcon.net.nz/convbdf.exe |
| 01:34:32 | BigMac | all it did was flash up the command prompt |
| 01:35:13 | PaulJam | confbdf is a comandline tool (no gui) |
| 01:35:26 | BigMac | oh ok |
| 01:36:17 | BigMac | im in the comman line. the file i want to convert is in C:\Documents and Settings\Mike\My Documents\BDF FONT FILES |
| 01:36:24 | BigMac | what command do i type |
| 01:36:38 | BigMac | convbdf then what |
| 01:37:21 | linuxstb | If you just type "convbdf" by itself, then it will give you instructions - most command-line tools do that. |
| 01:38:27 | linuxstb | (which is another way of saying I've never used convbdf, so don't know how to use it) |
| 01:38:39 | BigMac | oh ok |
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| 01:38:42 | dan_a | linuxstb: I've just done some testing, and MP3s don't skip if you are not on the WPS even with the processor at 75MHz as long as libmad is compiled using "-O" |
| 01:40:05 | linuxstb | I should try the same on my 4g ipod, but I don't have many MP3s to hand (and it's also late...) |
| 01:40:28 | linuxstb | But congratulations on achieving realtime playback (sort-of). |
| 01:40:42 | dan_a | Thank you! |
| 01:41:57 | dan_a | When I learn enough, I'll do some proper optimisations. For now, though it'll just have to be simple things like that. |
| 01:42:14 | BigMac | this stinks |
| 01:42:21 | BigMac | it keeps giving me an error |
| 01:42:37 | BigMac | does anyone have convbdf on there computer |
| 01:43:03 | S0ap | what font are you trying to convert? |
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| 01:43:26 | BigMac | AajaxSurrealFont_12.bdf |
| 01:43:57 | BigMac | soap do you have convbdf on your computer |
| 01:44:18 | linuxstb | dan_a: Looking at your patch, am I right in thinking that libmad is now compiled with "-O2 -O" on the 3g? Does the second -O cancel out the first? |
| 01:45:26 | dan_a | linuxstb: As I understand it, the last optimisation level is the one which is used. I'll double check, though |
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| 01:46:25 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if adding the "extramadopts" variable to configure is the cleanest solution though - we could end up with lots of those variables if all the codecs need different optimisation options on different targets. |
| 01:46:31 | dan_a | Yes - in GCC at least the last option is the one which is effective |
| 01:48:21 | dan_a | I didn't think I'd be able to do an #ifdef type thing in a Makefile, and this was a fairly clean way |
| 01:48:48 | dan_a | (in that settings for one target wouldn't mess with those for another target) |
| 01:48:55 | linuxstb | You can't do #ifdef, but I think other Makefiles do things on a per-target basis... |
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| 01:50:21 | dan_a | Oh, you can do ifdefs (see apps/codecs/Makefile) |
| 01:51:12 | linuxstb | Yes, but Makefiles don't have access to everything defined in config-ipod3g.h |
| 01:51:24 | linuxstb | The only thing you can use to identify the target is the TARGET variable. |
| 01:52:03 | linuxstb | i.e. the variables defined in the Makefile in your build directory. |
| 01:52:12 | dan_a | I'll rework the patch to use that then |
| 01:52:39 | dan_a | I prefer that since it means I only modify one file |
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| 01:53:36 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 01:56:11 | barrywardell_ | Bagder: if I compile the iPod bootloader, how to I turn it into a mi4 file? |
| 01:56:52 | Bagder | hm, first I need to check how the ipod bootloader looks ;-) |
| 01:57:50 | * | Bagder checks... |
| 01:58:40 | linuxstb | One good thing (for you) about the ipod bootloader, is that it's as minimal as possible in terms of initialising hardware - this is to keep the Apple firmware happy when it boots it. |
| 01:59:03 | BigMac | can someone tell me were exactly in the wiki is the program that converts ttf to bdf |
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| 01:59:40 | markun | BigMac: it's not in the wiki |
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| 02:01:34 | Bagder | barrywardell_: in fact, I'm not exactly sure |
| 02:02:12 | linuxstb | Bagder: I can't immediately see anything bad in the bootloader - if you removed all the lcd and button code, it might work... system_init() in fact does nothing in the bootloader. kernel_init() should be OK on any PP5020 |
| 02:02:39 | Bagder | but what does the ipod bootloader start with? I mean at offset 0 in the binary image+ |
| 02:02:40 | Bagder | ? |
| 02:03:10 | BigMac | do i have to compile font forge also? |
| 02:03:42 | linuxstb | Isn't that the reset vector? I'm sure the first instruction (i.e. vector) is just a simple branch to the startup code in crt0.S |
| 02:04:12 | linuxstb | Ah no, forget that... |
| 02:04:13 | Bagder | I was just a bit surprised since they don't look like exeception vectors to me |
| 02:04:47 | linuxstb | No, they're not. |
| 02:05:26 | linuxstb | On the ipod at least, DRAM starts life mapped to 0x1000000, and the exception vectors are in flash, which is mapped to 0x00000000. |
| 02:06:00 | BigMac | let me rephrase that: do i have to compile fontforge using cygwin if i want to convert my ttf to bdf? or is their an installer or alternative program? |
| 02:06:15 | linuxstb | The code in crt0.S remaps the DRAM to 0x00000000, and copies the exception vectors to the start of DRAM from a temporary copy. |
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| 02:06:40 | Bagder | ah, ok |
| 02:06:59 | linuxstb | In fact, that's the main Rockbox startup code. |
| 02:07:09 | Bagder | for the mi4-ones we need an exception vector table in the beginning |
| 02:07:13 | linuxstb | In the bootloader, interrupts are never enabled, so we never set the exception vectors. |
| 02:07:20 | PaulJam | BigMac: have you at least googled for fontforge? i would be surprised if there are no binaries available. |
| 02:07:33 | linuxstb | (and memory isn't remapped in the bootloader) |
| 02:08:48 | Bagder | barrywardell_: so we basically need to prepend an exception table and have the reset vector go to the start of the bootloader code |
| 02:08:49 | BigMac | yes i have |
| 02:09:05 | BigMac | well if i have to compile it then i give up |
| 02:09:23 | Bagder | but now I need sleep badly, g'dnight |
| 02:09:34 | BigMac | i hate how much of a hassle it is to make all these things work |
| 02:09:59 | barrywardell_ | i'm not too sure how to do that |
| 02:10:11 | linuxstb | Bagder: Goodnight. Sleep time for me too. |
| 02:10:34 | BigMac | i just spent an hour trying to find a good converter that converted to bdf then once i did get it to bdf, i found out it wouldnt accept it and now i have to do all this compiling |
| 02:10:37 | BigMac | ah |
| 02:10:41 | BigMac | ok had to vent |
| 02:11:11 | PaulJam | BigMac: oh sorry, i thought fontforge was a windows program. do you have cygwin installed? |
| 02:11:20 | barrywardell_ | i'll read up on it and check back here tomorrow |
| 02:11:22 | BigMac | yes |
| 02:11:30 | BigMac | but i can't use cygwin |
| 02:11:43 | BigMac | physically i can, but i cannot get anything to work in there |
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| 02:12:31 | PaulJam | BigMac: have you looked at this page: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ms-install.html |
| 02:12:40 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: In terms of Rockbox, the startup code and exception vectors are defined in crt0.S. But that file is not straightfoward to understand - it has the startup code for all the Rockbox targets in it, so it's a maze of #ifdefs... |
| 02:12:56 | BigMac | yes |
| 02:13:14 | BigMac | but like i said that requires cygwin which i cant use |
| 02:14:30 | PaulJam | BigMac: sorry, then i have no idea, i haven't tried to generate fonts for rockbox yet. |
| 02:14:48 | BigMac | so i guess im out on contributing to the ipod port, because uploading these fonts would have been about as far as i can go |
| 02:14:56 | BigMac | oh well thanks anyway |
| 02:15:13 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: thanks. I'll have a look at that file and see if I can understand anything from it |
| 02:18:18 | barrywardell_ | but i'm tired now so i will leave it to tomorrow |
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| 02:36:43 | linuxstb | Bagder: Just a thought if you read this in the logs - if the .mi4 files contain exception vectors, then I would guess DRAM is mapped to 0x0, rather than the ipod's default 0x10000000. So you'll need to change DRAMORIG in boot.lds. |
| 02:38:05 | linuxstb | Unless of course they are just there for when the .mi4 file remaps memory itself... |
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| 02:38:57 | BloodySorcerer | g'night linuxstb |
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| 02:46:30 | BigMac | anyone here have fntforge installed on there computer |
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| 02:58:41 | niskel | Hi, probably a question that gets asked a lot but does anybody know how the battery life is with a 4G iPod and the latest rockbox? |
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| 03:00:37 | BigMac | i wish i could help you man niskel |
| 03:00:52 | niskel | thats alright |
| 03:00:57 | BigMac | i know my 5g battery gets like 8hrs music on a full charge if that helps |
| 03:01:07 | niskel | I am actually putting it on my 5G but the GF has a 4G |
| 03:03:17 | BigMac | oh |
| 03:03:30 | BigMac | well it should be at least as good as apple os |
| 03:03:57 | BigMac | and niskel may i suggest you putting jbuild and jblackglass on your 5g. it looks amazing |
| 03:04:18 | niskel | what is jbuild? I saw jblackglass |
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| 03:08:02 | BigMac | jbuild is what you need to run jblackglass |
| 03:08:59 | niskel | I think I am using another build |
| 03:09:02 | niskel | starts with an s |
| 03:09:45 | BigMac | oh |
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| 03:13:20 | niskel | I am using a blackglass theme though :) |
| 03:13:38 | BigMac | its nice |
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| 03:27:31 | BigMac | kinda depressed. no one has commented on my wps |
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| 03:35:12 | midkay | is that captain_america? |
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| 03:37:09 | midkay | nods.. what happened with the lovely, friendly, helpful iPL guys with the better software + more games? |
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| 03:41:35 | BigMac | sigh |
| 03:41:41 | BigMac | explained this before |
| 03:41:47 | BigMac | little brother |
| 03:41:54 | BigMac | were on a network |
| 03:42:08 | BigMac | hense same hostmask |
| 03:42:17 | midkay | oh, it was your little brother who wanted us to get ass raped by our mothers... yeeaah... |
| 03:42:32 | BigMac | yah ive already appologized for him |
| 03:42:46 | BigMac | and gave him a spanking like scorche said |
| 03:43:30 | * | desrt is utterly confused |
| 03:43:52 | BigMac | about what part? |
| 03:44:01 | desrt | well |
| 03:44:05 | desrt | at first, i didn't notice anyone here |
| 03:44:13 | desrt | and then i realised that i'm in a different channel than i am normally in |
| 03:44:33 | desrt | but between those two events occuring, i was vaguely wondering what the hell was going on :) |
| 03:44:41 | BigMac | lol |
| 03:45:57 | midkay | BigMac: is mike moyers your real name? |
| 03:46:25 | BigMac | no |
| 03:46:39 | BigMac | justin |
| 03:48:18 | S0ap | Timberlake? |
| 03:48:24 | S0ap | he's dreamy! |
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| 03:48:28 | BigMac | yah |
| 03:48:29 | S0ap | :) |
| 03:48:32 | BigMac | im in nsync |
| 03:48:48 | BigMac | heck ill admit it if i used to have britney spears |
| 03:48:53 | Doomed_ | lol |
| 03:49:05 | Doomed_ | u dont want her now all fat and pregnant too |
| 03:49:23 | BigMac | yah true |
| 03:49:31 | BigMac | but maybe i could get her sister |
| 03:49:43 | Doomed_ | i would try −−- shes my age |
| 03:49:52 | BigMac | how old are you |
| 03:50:15 | BigMac | shes gotta be 16ish |
| 03:50:44 | Doomed_ | shes like 3 weeks older than me, 15 |
| 03:51:01 | Doomed_ | i think |
| 03:51:09 | BigMac | i'd still get with that:-) shes that hot |
| 03:51:20 | Doomed_ | how old are u |
| 03:51:29 | Doomed_ | shes 21 days older lol |
| 03:51:32 | BigMac | 17 |
| 03:51:51 | Doomed_ | ah ok |
| 03:51:54 | Doomed_ | yeah she is hot |
| 03:53:03 | BigMac | can anyone find a 1024x768 image that would look good in blackglass? |
| 03:53:11 | BigMac | if they do ill add it |
| 03:53:13 | Doomed_ | lol i join the conversation in a good time |
| 03:53:18 | Doomed_ | whats blackglass |
| 03:53:36 | BigMac | do you have rockbox |
| 03:53:41 | Doomed_ | yep |
| 03:54:08 | BigMac | what type of player |
| 03:54:12 | Doomed_ | i wouldnt be idling in here for nothing |
| 03:54:15 | Doomed_ | H120 |
| 03:54:24 | BigMac | ah nvm |
| 03:54:34 | Doomed_ | lol i want a 60 gb ipod 5g (video) |
| 03:54:40 | Doomed_ | but i have no money and i love my H1230 |
| 03:54:42 | Doomed_ | 120 |
| 03:55:30 | BigMac | yah i have a 5g but its a 30gb |
| 03:56:38 | Doomed_ | i want to steal one from the apple store, the floor model 30 |
| 03:56:44 | Doomed_ | but i cant steal for my life |
| 03:56:53 | BigMac | lol |
| 03:57:07 | BigMac | not a good idea stealing from the apple store |
| 03:57:08 | Doomed_ | BigMac do u have a jessica alba background for what ever ur doing |
| 03:57:20 | BigMac | they have many many many cameras |
| 03:57:26 | Doomed_ | but yeh can u explain blackglass |
| 03:57:37 | BigMac | no but if you could link me i'd make it |
| 03:57:38 | Doomed_ | well of course it is steve jobs lol |
| 03:57:42 | BigMac | its a theme |
| 03:57:46 | Doomed_ | aho k |
| 03:57:58 | BigMac | http://solutions-i.org/julius/images/jbgaab.jpg |
| 03:58:14 | BigMac | the bottom one is one of the jblackglass themes |
| 03:58:24 | Doomed_ | damn i like that |
| 03:58:30 | Doomed_ | whats that for 5g? |
| 03:58:39 | BigMac | yah |
| 03:59:12 | Doomed_ | when i find a background ill tell u |
| 03:59:20 | Doomed_ | did u pay full price for ur ipod? |
| 03:59:32 | BigMac | nope |
| 03:59:34 | BigMac | free |
| 03:59:43 | Doomed_ | from where |
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| 04:00:01 | BigMac | birthday present |
| 04:00:05 | Doomed_ | niceee |
| 04:00:17 | * | Doomed_ ran out of room on H120 |
| 04:00:30 | Doomed_ | bbs |
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| 04:01:01 | Doomed_ | i would do freeipods.com |
| 04:01:09 | Doomed_ | but no site lets the links anymore |
| 04:01:14 | Doomed_ | (got my psp that way) |
| 04:01:56 | BigMac | wow |
| 04:02:02 | BigMac | it actually works? |
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| 04:18:02 | BigMac | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5442.0 my ipod 5g wps pacl |
| 04:18:07 | BigMac | pack |
| 04:19:48 | Drkepilogue | nice WPS |
| 04:19:52 | BloodySorcerer | BigMac, maybe a different font color or something? |
| 04:20:03 | BloodySorcerer | they look really nice, but it looks like the text would be hard to read in spots |
| 04:20:32 | Drkepilogue | possible to make the text bolded? |
| 04:25:22 | niskel | ... how do I shut rockbox down on an iPod 5g? I am holding play and nothing is happening |
| 04:25:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | niskel: Are you using an official build? |
| 04:25:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: You can change fonts, there may be a bolded version of the one being used. |
| 04:26:06 | Drkepilogue | oh |
| 04:26:11 | Drkepilogue | i was just making a suggestion |
| 04:26:15 | niskel | no |
| 04:26:23 | Drkepilogue | i dont own a 5g ipod, so i wont be able to use it anyways |
| 04:26:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | niskel: Then it's possible they changed what button does it. |
| 04:26:51 | Drkepilogue | i was suggesting that the text could be a little more readable if the text was bolded, thats all |
| 04:27:21 | BigMac | thank you guys |
| 04:27:25 | niskel | ahh, select + play it is :) |
| 04:27:27 | BigMac | i already did this on my pod |
| 04:27:40 | BigMac | but im not sure how to make it so it does that for everyone |
| 04:27:54 | Drkepilogue | well, if you can make a 4g version of it, i can text it out |
| 04:27:56 | grimman | BigMac: I'm curious, how did you take a screenshot of the Rockbox? |
| 04:27:59 | BigMac | im using nimbus12 since i cant convert the ttf i want to use |
| 04:28:12 | BigMac | you can thank paul the nerd for that |
| 04:28:18 | grimman | Ah. |
| 04:28:25 | grimman | Super secret dev tool? ;P |
| 04:28:28 | Drkepilogue | screen dump? |
| 04:28:30 | BigMac | go to info debug and set it to screen dump |
| 04:28:35 | grimman | Aha. |
| 04:28:37 | grimman | Nice. =) |
| 04:28:45 | BigMac | then everytime you plug in the cable it takes a shot |
| 04:28:52 | BigMac | and you can turn it off when your done |
| 04:28:55 | BigMac | lol |
| 04:28:59 | BigMac | im far from a dev |
| 04:29:04 | grimman | ;D |
| 04:29:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not a dev either. |
| 04:29:33 | grimman | My bad then. |
| 04:29:43 | BigMac | its all gravy |
| 04:29:49 | Drkepilogue | BigMac, how do you charge yur ipod? |
| 04:29:54 | BigMac | well you know alot about rockbox |
| 04:30:02 | BigMac | uhh i plug it into the computer |
| 04:30:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: Other devs have mistaken me for a developer. ;) |
| 04:30:11 | BigMac | or use my griffin chargers why? |
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| 04:30:13 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: Haha. |
| 04:30:14 | Drkepilogue | you dont use ac adapter?? |
| 04:30:23 | BigMac | yes i do |
| 04:30:25 | grimman | Well what's a lowly non-dev supposed to think then? ;D |
| 04:30:30 | BloodySorcerer | PTN, you're not a dev?! O_o |
| 04:30:33 | Drkepilogue | cuz, if i try to charge while still using rockbox |
| 04:30:33 | BigMac | you mean like a car charger |
| 04:30:35 | Drkepilogue | it wont charge.. |
| 04:30:42 | BigMac | i had that issue |
| 04:30:50 | BigMac | hold menu while you put the lug in |
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| 04:30:51 | Drkepilogue | did you resolve it? |
| 04:30:54 | Drkepilogue | i did |
| 04:30:55 | BigMac | plug in |
| 04:31:04 | Drkepilogue | so that i charges while still in RB |
| 04:31:06 | BigMac | it should charge and stay out of disk mode |
| 04:31:10 | BigMac | yah |
| 04:31:13 | Drkepilogue | but it said it is connected |
| 04:31:24 | Drkepilogue | but the battery meter does not go up |
| 04:31:28 | BigMac | ]it goes to the do not disconnect thing? |
| 04:31:36 | Drkepilogue | nope |
| 04:31:42 | Drkepilogue | it is not going to diskmode |
| 04:31:45 | Drkepilogue | im still RB |
| 04:31:52 | BigMac | oh get a birds eye view |
| 04:32:02 | BigMac | it greys in the empty space |
| 04:32:08 | BigMac | look closely |
| 04:32:17 | Drkepilogue | i use numeric counter |
| 04:32:56 | Drkepilogue | so if the battery is being jucied, the number will go uo |
| 04:33:06 | BigMac | well then you may have to ask paul. i dont know much about rockbox accept what ive picked up from sitting here |
| 04:33:10 | Drkepilogue | cept that it goes to a certain point, and it wont charge any further |
| 04:33:13 | Drkepilogue | and it even drops |
| 04:33:15 | grimman | BigMac: Except* |
| 04:33:15 | BigMac | sorry |
| 04:33:30 | Drkepilogue | whos pauls? |
| 04:33:31 | Drkepilogue | lol |
| 04:33:34 | BigMac | thank you senior dictionary |
| 04:33:38 | grimman | np. |
| 04:33:39 | BigMac | paul_the)nerd |
| 04:33:42 | Drkepilogue | oo |
| 04:33:46 | Drkepilogue | well |
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| 04:34:01 | Drkepilogue | just wanted to maker sure that it is a issue to me.. and not to evryone else |
| 04:34:27 | Drkepilogue | where paul went? |
| 04:34:34 | grimman | Hiding. |
| 04:34:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: Sorry, talking with other people elsewhere too |
| 04:34:37 | BigMac | you have to do the paul call |
| 04:34:39 | Drkepilogue | lol |
| 04:34:42 | Drkepilogue | its ok |
| 04:34:46 | BigMac | do da lo to |
| 04:34:52 | BigMac | see he came down |
| 04:34:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | When charging within Rockbox, some iPods don't actually charge well yet. |
| 04:35:04 | Drkepilogue | o0o0o |
| 04:35:10 | Drkepilogue | is this a known bug/issue? |
| 04:35:12 | Drkepilogue | like |
| 04:35:19 | Drkepilogue | do the dev no? |
| 04:35:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPod normally draws I believe 500mah over USB, but within Rockbox it only gets 100. So, if your iPod is using a lot of juice (as most of them do right now) it may charge very slowly, or even go down, depending on what the software is doing in it. |
| 04:35:41 | BigMac | yah i noticed that to mine never fills all the way up in rockbox |
| 04:35:48 | BigMac | like 95% |
| 04:35:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since we can't do much/anything with the USB controller yet, it's just sorta the way it is right now. |
| 04:36:03 | Drkepilogue | i see |
| 04:36:04 | Drkepilogue | ok |
| 04:36:04 | Drkepilogue | ty |
| 04:36:07 | Drkepilogue | and also |
| 04:36:30 | Drkepilogue | will i screw my HD up if i kept reverting to apple frimware and RB everyday? |
| 04:36:39 | BigMac | no |
| 04:36:54 | Doomed_ | no |
| 04:37:04 | Drkepilogue | ok cool |
| 04:37:06 | Drkepilogue | thanks |
| 04:37:07 | Drkepilogue | !! |
| 04:37:12 | BigMac | yup pretty cool |
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| 04:38:19 | Drkepilogue | BigMac, do you get a crash every onc in a while??! |
| 04:38:52 | BigMac | like what? |
| 04:38:58 | BigMac | it just shuts off? |
| 04:39:00 | Drkepilogue | no |
| 04:39:01 | Drkepilogue | like |
| 04:39:04 | Drkepilogue | listenin to musiv |
| 04:39:06 | Drkepilogue | and it stops |
| 04:39:10 | Drkepilogue | and it wont resond |
| 04:39:12 | Drkepilogue | and u gotta reset |
| 04:39:18 | BigMac | are you playing a game while listening to music? |
| 04:39:21 | Drkepilogue | no |
| 04:39:31 | Drkepilogue | just walkin around chinatown.. |
| 04:39:35 | BigMac | nope has never happened to me |
| 04:39:45 | Drkepilogue | hmm.... |
| 04:39:46 | BigMac | thats a paul question |
| 04:39:57 | BigMac | do da la to |
| 04:40:03 | grimman | It's the chinese. Bad energy! |
| 04:40:04 | grimman | ;) |
| 04:40:07 | Drkepilogue | lol |
| 04:40:07 | Drkepilogue | ahah |
| 04:40:09 | Drkepilogue | probally |
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| 04:40:23 | Drkepilogue | but it also happen in skool and other places.. |
| 04:40:24 | Drkepilogue | =[ |
| 04:40:41 | BigMac | maybe if you move your ipod to a different position youll get a different |
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| 04:40:49 | BigMac | crud |
| 04:40:54 | BigMac | cant remember the word |
| 04:40:56 | Drkepilogue | what do you mean |
| 04:41:04 | niskel | how fast should music transfer be on a 5g iPod, I am only getting ~5MB/s |
| 04:41:23 | Drkepilogue | 7ish is what cnet said... |
| 04:41:42 | Drkepilogue | but cnet is bias... |
| 04:41:54 | niskel | 7MB/s? I thought usb2 was supposed to be much faster |
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| 04:42:09 | Drkepilogue | iono... |
| 04:42:16 | BloodySorcerer | nah |
| 04:42:23 | BloodySorcerer | 7 MB/s = 42 mbits |
| 04:42:29 | BloodySorcerer | USB speed is usually measure in mbits so... |
| 04:42:32 | Drkepilogue | but i think 7ish is pretty damn fast |
| 04:42:54 | niskel | okay, m(bits) not m(bytes) |
| 04:43:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: 4G or Photo iPod? |
| 04:43:13 | Drkepilogue | photo ipod |
| 04:43:13 | niskel | I suppose it could also be I am transfering FLAC which will always seem slow :) |
| 04:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: Those have a random freeze bug right now, that hasn't really been tracked down yet. It's tricky |
| 04:43:27 | Drkepilogue | isnt FLAC easier to xfer? |
| 04:43:42 | niskel | FLAC is just much bigger files |
| 04:43:47 | Drkepilogue | yeah, thought you might had a theroy that i can test out |
| 04:43:48 | Drkepilogue | ... |
| 04:43:51 | Drkepilogue | really annoying... |
| 04:43:57 | grimman | I'm getting between 3 and 5 MB right now. |
| 04:44:05 | BigMac | hey anyone here have a mistic river account? |
| 04:44:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Aye |
| 04:44:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, not a paid one. |
| 04:44:25 | niskel | okay, so I am average speed. I just thought usb2 was faster :\ |
| 04:44:33 | grimman | It's not about USB2. |
| 04:44:48 | niskel | yeah, disc speed is a factor too |
| 04:44:52 | grimman | It's not a high performance drive in the first place. |
| 04:44:53 | Drkepilogue | yeah... |
| 04:45:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: Most of the theories I've come up with have been tested. The easiest solution, as a temporary fix, is to go into the debug menu and increase the CPU boosted state by 1. This should prevent the CPU from ever unboosting. Lessens the battery life a little bit, but in most peoples' cases prevents the freezes. |
| 04:45:08 | Drkepilogue | maybe b/c ipod uses the itune DB so maybe why it is faster... |
| 04:45:18 | grimman | Laptop drives are notoriously slow, I wouldn't expect this to be faster. In fact, it doesn't need very high performance for the job it does. |
| 04:45:40 | grimman | Drkepilogue: No. |
| 04:45:47 | niskel | this is true, enough to stream music |
| 04:46:08 | grimman | The iTunesDB is a database over files. The files are still stored on the disk as separate files. |
| 04:46:45 | BigMac | paul:could you dcc me this file http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36635 (the one in the first post)? i dont have an account or any posts on that forum |
| 04:47:07 | Drkepilogue | Paul_the_nerd: i know that setting the cpu thing prevents the freeze, but i want to see what is causing it... |
| 04:47:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: It seems to occur when the CPU speed unboosts. |
| 04:47:40 | Drkepilogue | which is weird... i was trying to reprocude the crash last nite, so i stayed up alot of it, and it never froze... |
| 04:48:02 | Drkepilogue | yeah... i had that feeling too, so i set the frequency to 2400000ish thing... |
| 04:48:08 | Drkepilogue | all i got was choppy playbak |
| 04:48:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: http://70.112.165.230/eqs.zip |
| 04:48:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me know when you've got it. |
| 04:49:27 | BigMac | thank you ive got it |
| 04:51:33 | Drkepilogue | Drkepilogue: It seems to occur when the CPU speed unboosts. |
| 04:51:33 | Drkepilogue | Drkepilogue: It seems to occur when the CPU speed unboosts. |
| 04:51:35 | Drkepilogue | oops |
| 04:51:44 | Drkepilogue | well, dont the CPU boot itself? |
| 04:51:47 | Drkepilogue | was lookin at it |
| 04:51:53 | Drkepilogue | and it keep going from 0 to 1... |
| 04:53:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: Rockbox boosts it in accordance with its needs, and while as far as can be told so far there's nothing wrong with the way we do it, as far as I can tell there's a correlation between it unboosting (going from 1 to 0) and freezes happening. |
| 04:53:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it could very well be some other thread not handling the decrease in speed well, or something. I personally don't have the knowledge to dig into it or anything |
| 04:54:24 | grimman | Yay, transfer complete. Now I can take my 5 minute walk to post a letter. ;D |
| 04:54:32 | Drkepilogue | yeah, i know... |
| 04:54:41 | Drkepilogue | i got a lecture about it from llorean |
| 04:54:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Llorean is me. :-P |
| 04:54:54 | Drkepilogue | RAWR U!!! |
| 04:54:59 | Drkepilogue | lolz |
| 04:55:00 | Drkepilogue | well |
| 04:55:03 | grimman | Creepy. |
| 04:55:03 | Drkepilogue | the way i see it |
| 04:55:19 | Drkepilogue | maybe the frequency is chaging too much... |
| 04:55:29 | Drkepilogue | wen we kept it at 1, it ways stayed at 1... |
| 04:55:34 | Drkepilogue | but if we dont mess with it |
| 04:55:36 | Drkepilogue | it swiches... |
| 04:55:45 | Drkepilogue | form 0-1... |
| 04:55:48 | Drkepilogue | and yada.. |
| 04:55:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, if we don't do *anything* it stays at 0. |
| 04:56:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or 1 |
| 04:56:06 | Drkepilogue | O.o |
| 04:56:08 | Drkepilogue | yeah |
| 04:56:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't switch itself. |
| 04:56:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox switches it. |
| 04:56:19 | Drkepilogue | thats what i meant |
| 04:56:20 | Drkepilogue | like |
| 04:56:23 | BigMac | your llorean paul? i thoought she was a girl |
| 04:56:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does the same thing on all the other iPods (and actually the iRiver and iAudio players as well) without problems. |
| 04:56:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's JUST the 4th generation hardware that doesn't handle it well, and we're not sure why |
| 04:56:59 | Drkepilogue | i think that ti crashes, because the cpu thing is swiched tooo often or something.. |
| 04:57:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Yeah, Llorean was the name I originally signed up for the accounts with. I used to play EQ and it was the name of one of my characters, I thought it sounded like a good Elf name back then. |
| 04:57:09 | Drkepilogue | >.> |
| 04:57:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: Too often is unlikely, as the other iPods switch just as often without problem. |
| 04:57:29 | BigMac | hmm |
| 04:57:55 | BigMac | eq=everquest or eq=electric quagmire |
| 04:57:57 | Drkepilogue | i would guess that is the the model of the cpu, but if the older one can hadle it too...>.>!!!! |
| 04:58:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: EverQuest. |
| 04:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: The Apple software also changes the CPU speed a lot too, I believe. |
| 04:58:45 | BigMac | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36272 |
| 04:58:59 | BigMac | anyone working on this for 5g or will this work on 5g |
| 04:59:28 | Drkepilogue | lolz |
| 04:59:41 | Drkepilogue | i dont think playing games on DAP is very... useful... |
| 04:59:47 | Drkepilogue | becaue |
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| 04:59:55 | Drkepilogue | the ipod button thingy sucks... |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:00 | Drkepilogue | too hard to play doom on it |
| 05:00:08 | BigMac | i like it for when im at the airport |
| 05:00:19 | BigMac | not if you use the scroll patch |
| 05:00:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: There's a patch for it in the tracker these days, I think. Might want to check what it lists as supported. |
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| 05:01:48 | Drkepilogue | paul, im not sure if it is a glich... but if the cpu speed is either on or off, why is there 3 different speed? |
| 05:01:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it's not on and off. |
| 05:01:59 | Drkepilogue | 30000...240000.... and 750000.... |
| 05:02:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | We have "Normal, Boosted, and Idle" which are 30, 24, and 75 |
| 05:02:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can really set it to anything up to 80, I believe. Actually, it depends on the iPod, some go to 100 |
| 05:02:49 | Drkepilogue | 00o0 |
| 05:02:50 | Drkepilogue | ic ic... |
| 05:03:13 | Drkepilogue | man, this freezing problem is a brain killer... |
| 05:05:26 | BloodySorcerer | is it giving you... |
| 05:05:28 | BloodySorcerer | brain freeze?! |
| 05:05:29 | BloodySorcerer | xD |
| 05:05:56 | Drkepilogue | lol |
| 05:05:57 | Drkepilogue | ahaha |
| 05:06:06 | Drkepilogue | nice one |
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| 05:09:23 | BigMac | paul you got a second? |
| 05:09:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorta |
| 05:09:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's up? |
| 05:10:36 | BigMac | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36272 |
| 05:10:42 | BigMac | got any clue how to run this |
| 05:10:54 | BigMac | i cant figure it out |
| 05:10:58 | BigMac | i read the readme |
| 05:11:01 | BigMac | and the post |
| 05:11:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: You'd have to build a patched build of Rockbox. |
| 05:11:30 | BigMac | awww |
| 05:11:35 | BigMac | i hate patches |
| 05:11:42 | BigMac | i can't use any patch |
| 05:11:51 | BigMac | if i do i can't use jblackglass |
| 05:12:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not? |
| 05:12:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Julius posted all his patches on his server. |
| 05:12:26 | Doomed_ | BigMac he doesnt have a source on that site? |
| 05:12:41 | BigMac | he has a source code their? |
| 05:12:46 | BigMac | i didnt see it |
| 05:12:55 | Drkepilogue | maybe outta topic |
| 05:13:00 | Drkepilogue | how do u view hidden foler? |
| 05:13:01 | niskel | has anyone else experienced completely corrupted sound when turning on the EQ? |
| 05:13:14 | BigMac | on windows? |
| 05:13:36 | Drkepilogue | yeah |
| 05:14:02 | BigMac | go to any window like my computer and click tools then folder options then view. then click show hidden files |
| 05:14:12 | Drkepilogue | ty! |
| 05:14:17 | BigMac | np |
| 05:14:24 | Doomed_ | BigMac i founda bootloader src |
| 05:15:22 | BigMac | for 5g jbuild? |
| 05:15:22 | Doomed_ | eh that sucks no source |
| 05:15:29 | BigMac | yah |
| 05:15:53 | BigMac | so its either i cant patch anything if i want to keep my pod looking superfly |
| 05:16:02 | Doomed_ | or download all the patches lol |
| 05:16:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed_: The patches are all you need though. |
| 05:16:38 | Doomed_ | yeah cept im betting BigMac is lazy and doesnt feel its worth the effort |
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| 05:16:47 | Doomed_ | u could always mail him and ask for tthe st |
| 05:16:48 | Doomed_ | src* |
| 05:17:04 | BigMac | no probably not |
| 05:17:10 | BigMac | it has 15 patches |
| 05:17:16 | BigMac | i dont have that kinda time |
| 05:18:10 | BigMac | do i need all the patches? |
| 05:18:19 | BigMac | or just the ones i like |
| 05:18:32 | Doomed_ | ones u like |
| 05:18:40 | BigMac | paul? |
| 05:19:29 | BigMac | do da la to |
| 05:20:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, phone. |
| 05:20:53 | BigMac | so is doomed correct |
| 05:21:18 | Doomed_ | lol i am |
| 05:21:32 | BigMac | i need pauls ok |
| 05:21:39 | Doomed_ | haha |
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| 05:21:53 | BigMac | i want jblackglass to work |
| 05:22:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: You'd need to ask julius which patches are the bare minimum. But applying one patch vs 15 is only like, two minutes more. |
| 05:22:54 | BigMac | i cant even apply one patch |
| 05:23:06 | BigMac | im using jdgordons service |
| 05:23:22 | BigMac | if its 15 i have to find the 15 flyspray links |
| 05:23:31 | Doomed_ | why |
| 05:23:49 | Doomed_ | i dont no how to patch, ignore that question |
| 05:23:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Julius' patches don't HAVE flyspray links. |
| 05:24:40 | BigMac | so if i wanted to patch it, id have to manually patch all those patches then apply the others to? |
| 05:24:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
| 05:25:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really not that hard, and it takes like 10 seconds per patch to apply them once you've got things set up. |
| 05:25:17 | BigMac | ok so that is never happening |
| 05:25:20 | BigMac | not for me |
| 05:25:26 | BigMac | i can't even set it up |
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| 05:26:30 | BigMac | i wish their was an easier way to apply patches |
| 05:26:49 | scorche | JdGordon's way |
| 05:26:59 | BigMac | a;ready went over this |
| 05:27:01 | BigMac | we cant |
| 05:27:03 | scorche | oh.. |
| 05:27:06 | scorche | =S |
| 05:27:10 | BigMac | i know |
| 05:27:30 | * | scorche scrolls up |
| 05:27:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, you shouldn't be bothering with patches if it's too complicated. They're more likely to introduce bugs anyway. |
| 05:27:45 | BigMac | theres so many awesome patches but i can't apply them and i can never talk to julius |
| 05:27:53 | BigMac | but they add so many cool things |
| 05:28:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can post in Julius' thread |
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| 05:28:12 | BigMac | im not applying willy nilly, im adding the ones that i heard work |
| 05:28:14 | BigMac | i did |
| 05:28:21 | BigMac | he doesn't go there anymore |
| 05:28:30 | BigMac | hes reallly busy according to jon |
| 05:29:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 05:29:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Learn to patch. |
| 05:29:09 | BigMac | i tried |
| 05:29:14 | BigMac | i read the tutorial |
| 05:29:18 | BigMac | but i can't |
| 05:29:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | The instructions tell you exactly what to type in most cases. |
| 05:29:48 | scorche | which part are you having issues with? |
| 05:29:50 | BigMac | i tried but i get errors and no body knows how to fix them |
| 05:29:55 | BigMac | all of it |
| 05:30:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | "all of it" is not a part. |
| 05:30:13 | grimman | Moo. ^^ |
| 05:30:32 | BigMac | and the guide only tells me how to do it with patches on your site |
| 05:30:38 | BigMac | what about juliuses |
| 05:31:20 | scorche | i believe it tells you how to use diff (assuming julius's patches are that way) |
| 05:31:44 | scorche | if not, there are man pages |
| 05:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: It tells you how to use patch files. What part says they have to be from our site? |
| 05:33:22 | BigMac | it tells you to connect to some server on your site |
| 05:33:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not for the patches it doesn't. |
| 05:34:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depending on which instructions you're following, that's probably just part of the installation process |
| 05:34:30 | scorche | BigMac: is this what you were reading? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 05:35:33 | BigMac | no i was reading a forum thread |
| 05:36:13 | scorche | well, read that |
| 05:39:58 | BigMac | http://www.fsf.org/software/patch/patch.html |
| 05:39:58 | BigMac | http://www.gnu.org/directory/diffutils.html |
| 05:39:58 | BigMac | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm - patch for Windows |
| 05:39:58 | BigMac | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm - diff for Windows |
| 05:40:06 | BigMac | which one im runnin xp |
| 05:40:19 | scorche | do you not have cygwin? |
| 05:40:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't need to paste all the links in here. |
| 05:40:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | And cygwin includes patch |
| 05:40:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you follow the proper instructions in the SimpleGuideToCompiling page |
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| 05:41:02 | BigMac | i have vmware |
| 05:41:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | That includes patch as well |
| 05:41:20 | BigMac | so i dont need any of them |
| 05:41:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 05:42:24 | BigMac | so i can just dl the source code and put it in C:/ |
| 05:42:56 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs |
| 05:43:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you read the instructions for how to compile and get that working at least? |
| 05:43:28 | BigMac | im reading it and can't find how to get the source in there |
| 05:43:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | CVS |
| 05:43:57 | BigMac | and that is what i was asking |
| 05:44:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, the VMWare shows up as the virtual machine Debian on the network, so you can browse to it in "My Network Places" |
| 05:44:06 | BigMac | if i just dl it and were to place it |
| 05:44:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | dl what? |
| 05:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | You use CVS to check out the source. |
| 05:44:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It tells you how to do this in the guide... |
| 05:44:48 | BigMac | i download the source |
| 05:44:51 | BigMac | no it doesn't |
| 05:44:58 | BigMac | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Applying_A_Patch |
| 05:45:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 05:45:13 | BigMac | you linked me that one |
| 05:45:18 | scorche | NO....I DID |
| 05:45:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, Scorche did |
| 05:45:21 | scorche | errr.. |
| 05:45:29 | BigMac | oh |
| 05:45:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | *I* said you need to follow the instructions from the SimpleGuideToCompiling page |
| 05:45:46 | BigMac | well i was just doing what i was told to do |
| 05:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well Scorche was working under the assumption you had already compiled rockbox |
| 05:46:34 | scorche | indeed... |
| 05:47:34 | BigMac | why does it say connection to haxx.se failed |
| 05:47:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Use www.rockbox.org instead of rockbox.haxx.se |
| 05:48:06 | BigMac | yay and i cant paste in vmwareX.X |
| 05:48:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is typing too difficult for you now as well? |
| 05:48:50 | BigMac | yes it is when i have to keep switching back and forth every word |
| 05:55:31 | BigMac | ah so not happening |
| 05:55:39 | BigMac | i cant even login |
| 05:56:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't login. |
| 05:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | You just hit enter when it asks you to. |
| 05:57:19 | BigMac | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox login |
| 05:57:22 | BigMac | thapart |
| 05:57:26 | BigMac | that part |
| 05:57:41 | BigMac | so what i typed was cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/BigMac |
| 05:57:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 05:57:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It tells you to type what it says there |
| 05:57:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't CHANGE it. |
| 05:58:03 | BigMac | it said rockbox login |
| 05:58:11 | BigMac | so i put my rockbox login |
| 05:58:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It didn't say to substitute your rockbox login |
| 05:58:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It said to type the word rockbox then space, then login, as part of that line |
| 05:58:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why it's in the code font. |
| 05:59:34 | BigMac | and i still do rockbox.haxx.se or do you want me to change that |
| 05:59:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | if rockbox.haxx.se works, use it |
| 05:59:59 | scorche | <Paul_The_Nerd> Use www.rockbox.org instead of rockbox.haxx.se |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | The change was if it didn't work. |
| 06:00:16 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 06:00:59 | BigMac | i hit enter when it says cvs password right |
| 06:01:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
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| 06:06:17 | BigMac | do i need daily build and cvs? |
| 06:06:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | You only need what the instructions specifically tell you that you need |
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| 06:09:29 | BigMac | i have no idea were it put my source:X |
| 06:09:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wherever you ran CVS from. |
| 06:10:23 | BigMac | i ran it in vmware |
| 06:11:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:11:07 | BigMac | I dont see it in C:V<ware |
| 06:11:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I already told you where VMWare files are found |
| 06:11:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Remember that whole bit about a virtual machine on the network? |
| 06:11:54 | BigMac | no but ill look through the logs to save you the time of expaining |
| 06:12:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just scroll up |
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| 06:13:39 | BigMac | I dont see it in my network paces |
| 06:13:51 | BigMac | i just see my moms computer and my brothers |
| 06:14:29 | BigMac | any clue were they are? |
| 06:14:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try Start->Run, and type \\Debian |
| 06:15:07 | BigMac | how come i cant just dl the source from rockbox.org |
| 06:15:12 | BigMac | itd be alot easier |
| 06:15:40 | BigMac | it asks me for a username and password |
| 06:15:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same username and password as logging into VMWare |
| 06:16:00 | BigMac | nothing? |
| 06:16:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if you downloaded the source from Rockbox.org you'd have to copy it onto the VMWare "computer" first anyway |
| 06:16:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Username should be user |
| 06:16:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Password rockbosx |
| 06:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | rockbox |
| 06:18:17 | BigMac | ok its in home in a folder called rockbox-devel |
| 06:19:51 | BigMac | is it bad if my source didn't come in .tar |
| 06:19:58 | BigMac | it was already unzipped |
| 06:20:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | CVS downloads the actual files, not a .tar of them |
| 06:20:19 | BigMac | oh ok |
| 06:20:39 | sharpe | .tar files are used to patch .road files. ahahah. |
| 06:20:46 | BigMac | so since im using the cvs i wont be needing this daily build*deletes* |
| 06:24:22 | BigMac | you there still |
| 06:24:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:25:34 | BigMac | it says to "type cd foldername, where foldername is the name of the folder where the extracted files went to, and then press Enter" |
| 06:25:53 | BigMac | does it want me to type cd \rockbox\home\guest |
| 06:25:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would be "cd rockbox-devel" |
| 06:26:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's in VMWare |
| 06:26:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | And in this case it's where CVS downloaded the source to |
| 06:26:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | ALL steps will be in VMware, pretty much |
| 06:26:26 | BigMac | or cd \rockbox\home\guest\rockbox-devel |
| 06:26:34 | BigMac | it told me to go into cmd |
| 06:27:07 | BigMac | well now im lost... |
| 06:27:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, well it meant the window that you've been using so far. |
| 06:27:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | In this case VMWare |
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| 06:31:56 | BigMac | do i add patches beofre i compile? |
| 06:32:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
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| 06:33:42 | BigMac | scorche please still be here man |
| 06:35:37 | JdGordon | [14:30:59] <−− scorche has left this server ("Leaving"). |
| 06:35:49 | JdGordon | u missed him by 6 min |
| 06:35:57 | JdGordon | whatcha need? im sure others can help |
| 06:36:20 | BigMac | im using vmware to apply patche |
| 06:36:29 | BigMac | sbut i dont know were to save them |
| 06:37:08 | BigMac | i want to apply some patches |
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| 06:37:20 | BigMac | paul left me right before he could tell me |
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| 06:47:06 | JdGordon | you copy them to the folder where the apps folder is |
| 06:47:12 | JdGordon | then apply them there |
| 06:47:15 | JdGordon | _usually_ |
| 06:47:42 | BigMac | huh? |
| 06:48:45 | JdGordon | ? |
| 06:48:55 | JdGordon | copy them intot he rockbox-devel folder |
| 06:49:15 | BigMac | then? |
| 06:49:20 | JdGordon | apply them |
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| 07:07:52 | BigMac | jdgordon you still here |
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| 07:11:29 | grimman | I have to do this... LINKAGE! http://loot.dlxmedia.net/xpzchu.jpg |
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| 07:16:24 | sharpe | grimman: do the varying amount of water in sytrofoam cups all over the place. |
| 07:17:41 | grimman | How about nooo? ;) |
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| 07:18:07 | sharpe | okay... skittles! lots and lots of skittles! |
| 07:19:42 | sharpe | or marshmallows. |
| 07:23:13 | JdGordon | BigMac: im back |
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| 07:24:59 | BigMac | jd:i cant drop my patches into the rockbox-devel folder |
| 07:25:36 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 07:25:49 | BigMac | it wont let me |
| 07:25:57 | BigMac | its in \\Debian |
| 07:26:13 | BigMac | and i dunno how to acsess that folder in cmd |
| 07:26:20 | Doomed_ | is there anyway to edit tagcache so it sorts bands with "the" in the tag to sort as if it didnt have the "the"? |
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| 07:28:13 | BigMac | midgey |
| 07:28:19 | BigMac | what do you use for patching |
| 07:29:04 | midgey34 | umm cygwin |
| 07:29:10 | BigMac | crud |
| 07:29:21 | Doomed_ | anybody know what im talking about? |
| 07:29:27 | BigMac | yes |
| 07:29:33 | JdGordon | BigMac: open my computer |
| 07:29:34 | BigMac | but i dont know how to fix it |
| 07:29:42 | BigMac | done |
| 07:29:43 | JdGordon | type \\debian into the location |
| 07:29:56 | JdGordon | then go home directories (or something like that) |
| 07:29:58 | JdGordon | your username |
| 07:30:05 | BigMac | were do i type the location |
| 07:30:05 | JdGordon | the copy the file into rockbox-devel |
| 07:30:14 | BigMac | you mean run |
| 07:30:15 | Doomed_ | thanks ill ask when paul is around or somethin |
| 07:30:18 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:30:21 | JdGordon | my computer |
| 07:30:23 | JdGordon | or explorer |
| 07:30:29 | JdGordon | or just use my webpage |
| 07:30:47 | BigMac | i cant |
| 07:30:58 | JdGordon | y not? |
| 07:31:02 | BigMac | i have to apply patches that arent in flyspray |
| 07:31:19 | JdGordon | so? as long as they are available on the web as a patch file your good |
| 07:31:36 | BigMac | paul said i couldn't |
| 07:32:11 | * | JdGordon wonders why he said that |
| 07:32:25 | Doomed_ | lol |
| 07:32:28 | BigMac | so how would i put in the links on this page |
| 07:32:33 | BigMac | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/patches/ |
| 07:33:35 | BigMac | lol it doesnt have a very high sucsess rate |
| 07:33:49 | JdGordon | no, its the patches.. not the script |
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| 07:34:02 | JdGordon | just copy one of those links for the patch link |
| 07:34:34 | BigMac | i need 14 of those patches plus 3 from flyspray will it still do it? |
| 07:34:42 | JdGordon | ye, course |
| 07:34:56 | BigMac | k |
| 07:35:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I thought your thing tied into the flyspray file hosting, rather than just pointing at any .patch or .diff out there. |
| 07:35:20 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: no, works with any patch |
| 07:35:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good to know |
| 07:35:24 | JdGordon | why did u tihnk only fs? |
| 07:35:41 | Doomed_ | is there anyway to edit tagcache so it sorts bands with "the" in the tag to sort as if it didnt have the "the"? |
| 07:36:02 | BigMac | jdgordon how long does it take for it to make the build |
| 07:36:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I think probably because the only example URL you have there is one of the Flyspray semi-awkward ones rather than just to an actual file somewhere. I made an assumption, which I know is a mistake. |
| 07:36:22 | JdGordon | let me know when youve set it up and ill run it |
| 07:36:27 | JdGordon | but usually a few hours |
| 07:36:38 | JdGordon | hehe ok |
| 07:36:42 | BigMac | pauls back h/o |
| 07:36:54 | BigMac | paul i have all the patches i want. |
| 07:37:02 | BigMac | now how do i install them |
| 07:37:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | My laptop battery died, and I took the opportunity to study for my final, since it's tomorrow. |
| 07:37:14 | BigMac | i cant locate them in xmware |
| 07:37:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Did you copy them over to VMware? |
| 07:37:35 | BigMac | i can't figure out how |
| 07:37:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Remember the whole \\Debian thing? |
| 07:37:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | You just drag and drop to folders on that. |
| 07:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You DO know how to work Windows, right? |
| 07:38:06 | BigMac | i tried copying into \\debian\home\rockbox-devel |
| 07:38:10 | BigMac | yes |
| 07:38:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | So what's the problem? |
| 07:38:20 | BigMac | it would go through the loading thing |
| 07:38:25 | BigMac | but no files showed up |
| 07:38:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | "loading thing"? |
| 07:38:46 | BigMac | nvm |
| 07:38:55 | BigMac | i got them in |
| 07:39:58 | Doomed_ | Paul_The_Nerd do you no if there is anyway to edit tagcache so it sorts bands with "the" in the tag to sort as if it didnt have the "the"? |
| 07:40:11 | grimman | You are reading this for the wrong reason. |
| 07:41:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed_: Not at the moment, I believe. |
| 07:41:45 | Doomed_ | k thnx |
| 07:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are actually specs for tags specifically for the purpose of Sorting, so you can have a different Sort name from the Display name, and I've suggested that we use that, but just moderately recently |
| 07:42:35 | BigMac | paul:still not working. got all the files in a folder i made in homes called patches. now i try to get there by typing cd/patches and ive tried cd /homes/patches as well and neither work |
| 07:42:51 | Doomed_ | ah that could also work with the Various artist too |
| 07:43:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 07:43:18 | Doomed_ | nice |
| 07:43:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I understand correctly, later version of ID3 and Vorbis Comments at least allow display and sort titles, artists, and album names. |
| 07:44:12 | Doomed_ | k |
| 07:46:37 | BigMac | jdgordon:what if it runs on longer then one line? |
| 07:46:49 | JdGordon | its fine |
| 07:47:11 | BigMac | k will you be here for a while longer? |
| 07:47:25 | JdGordon | i will |
| 07:47:33 | JdGordon | doesnt the horizaontal scrollbar come up? |
| 07:47:34 | BigMac | because i want to show you it before i submit it to make sure its setup alright |
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| 07:55:49 | JdGordon | BigMac: dont put the short name for the patches, just the link and long description.. ive removed it and the build wont work if u put it in |
| 07:56:02 | BigMac | jd:does it do .diff as well |
| 07:56:11 | BigMac | k |
| 07:59:25 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 08:00:01 | JdGordon | if i change the $_ in a foreach loop (the $_ being the item from an array) does it change the actual value stored int he array? |
| 08:00:35 | BigMac | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11798 |
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| 08:00:40 | BigMac | will it do that? |
| 08:00:46 | JdGordon | yes |
| 08:05:39 | BigMac | pm jd |
| 08:05:59 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 08:08:58 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, what is wrong with tagcache? |
| 08:09:29 | amiconn | I had a strange effect: dircache disable, tagcache in ram enabled, auto-update off |
| 08:09:52 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 08:10:04 | amiconn | (1) Even though auto update is off, tagcache seems to do a (fast) scan. This is both on recorder and H140 |
| 08:10:34 | Slasheri | interesting.. then there must be a bug |
| 08:10:46 | amiconn | (2) On H1400, I did the following: Initialize tagcache, reboot. Tagcache did this extra scan after commit. |
| 08:10:58 | Slasheri | because without auto update tagcache isn't supposed to update it's database automatically |
| 08:11:05 | amiconn | Then I wanted to switch to tagcache view: "tagcache not ready" (!) |
| 08:11:23 | Slasheri | weird.. did you got the logfdump? |
| 08:11:42 | amiconn | I rebooted again. Then tagcache did a second (fast) commit - and contained only 14 tracks (!) |
| 08:11:54 | amiconn | (of about 3500) |
| 08:12:01 | amiconn | Nope |
| 08:12:12 | amiconn | I usually don't run logf builds |
| 08:12:15 | Slasheri | and that was with the bleeding edge? |
| 08:12:23 | Slasheri | logf could be very useful in this case |
| 08:12:37 | Slasheri | if you could repeat that again |
| 08:12:46 | BigMac | jdgordon:when can i expect to get this build |
| 08:13:01 | amiconn | Cvs as of yesterday 21:00 UTC, plus some changes by me |
| 08:13:17 | amiconn | (nothing tagcache related) |
| 08:13:23 | Slasheri | interesting |
| 08:14:00 | amiconn | I'll probably have a hard time running a logf build on archos. The binary is rather tight now even without it :( |
| 08:15:13 | amiconn | Tagcache in RAM should probably be removed for archos. It takes ~300KB of RAM for me, and I have only ~3500 tracks. There are people with 15000 tracks... |
| 08:15:27 | JdGordon | BigMac: soon... |
| 08:15:35 | Slasheri | hmm, but could you do that on iriver? iiuc, you experienced that second problem with iriver |
| 08:15:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:15:54 | amiconn | Dunno whether it's reproducable. I'll check |
| 08:15:57 | Slasheri | ok, that's quite much indeed |
| 08:16:20 | Slasheri | i think it should free a few code space kB by disabling tagcache ram for archos |
| 08:16:31 | Slasheri | *few kB |
| 08:17:41 | amiconn | Hmm, strange. Now I switched on the H140. Tagcache did yet another commit, and now the number of tracks is back to normal (?!) |
| 08:17:55 | Slasheri | hehe, really strange |
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| 08:18:20 | BigMac | jdgordon:do i have to apply the bootloader and stuff again? |
| 08:18:29 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone was saying that every time they boot with auto-update off, an additional entry for every track shows up. So 5 boots = 5 entries per track. Is this related, or was that fixed by one of the earlier things? |
| 08:18:32 | amiconn | Another thing is that if the track number of a track isn't available, it's displayed as "-1. Blah track" in the artist and album view. Looks quite strange. |
| 08:18:33 | BigMac | or just copy the files over current files |
| 08:18:55 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:18:59 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, really? i will need to try that |
| 08:19:04 | JdGordon | ok, added some new stuff.. lets see how it goes.. :p |
| 08:19:14 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: That seems to be fixed with one of the weekend's tagcache commits |
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| 08:19:51 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, it sounds like the tagcache db is really corrupt |
| 08:19:52 | amiconn | I planned to report this to Slasheri, but with the latest cvs it's gone. Instead I observed the strange 14-tracks effect |
| 08:19:58 | Slasheri | normally -1 is never displayed |
| 08:20:34 | Slasheri | did you remove any tracks while you were testing it? |
| 08:20:58 | amiconn | In album->Blahblah the -1 is displayed also on recorder |
| 08:21:00 | JdGordon | BigMac: hmm... something went wrong so can u forwad the email u got to me |
| 08:21:08 | JdGordon | jdgordy at gmail dot com |
| 08:21:15 | amiconn | (where I didn't observe the strange 14-track effect) |
| 08:21:29 | amiconn | No, I didn't remove or add anything |
| 08:22:09 | amiconn | I also have an album with "" (empty name) in the album view. Is that supposed to happen |
| 08:22:11 | amiconn | ? |
| 08:22:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, in fact that -1 is normal.. it's a problem introduced by the new format definition in tagnavi.config |
| 08:22:33 | BigMac | jd:i didnt get an email yet... |
| 08:23:10 | JdGordon | odd.. ok, trying again, i found the problem |
| 08:23:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: if you have untagged albums with only whitespace, that might happen |
| 08:23:40 | Slasheri | but shouldn't with entirely untagged albums (no whitespace included) |
| 08:23:56 | BigMac | k setn it |
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| 08:25:02 | BigMac | jd your on you own now i gotta go to bed |
| 08:25:11 | JdGordon | ok, cya |
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| 08:25:16 | BigMac | nite |
| 08:25:56 | JdGordon | why the heck cant people make proper patches? is it really so hard? |
| 08:26:06 | JdGordon | |diff -ur rockbox.original/apps/bookmark.c rockbox/apps/bookmark.c |
| 08:26:06 | JdGordon | |−−- rockbox.original/apps/bookmark.c 2006-01-21 23:43:56.000000000 +0000 |
| 08:26:06 | JdGordon | |+++ rockbox/apps/bookmark.c 2006-06-10 14:25:38.000000000 +0100 |
| 08:26:13 | JdGordon | no wonder it doesnt work! |
| 08:26:19 | * | JdGordon grumbles... |
| 08:26:29 | amiconn | ? |
| 08:27:00 | JdGordon | patch -p0 < that patchs fails coz its not done in the right folder or sometginh |
| 08:27:23 | amiconn | -p1 should work in this case |
| 08:27:52 | JdGordon | ok, ill have to get the script to keep trying then :p |
| 08:29:22 | amiconn | Making patches which apply properly with -p0 might indeed be a bit difficult if people don't use cvs |
| 08:30:11 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 08:30:15 | * | JdGordon calms down :p |
| 08:32:24 | JdGordon | last in a while loop jumps out of it? or starts the loop one more time? (perl) |
| 08:35:12 | amiconn | Slasheri: The extra tagcache scan happens after every boot. Strangely enough, the extra commit at boot only happens on H140... |
| 08:37:22 | amiconn | Oh, and the extra scan takes much longer than on recorder... |
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| 08:40:23 | amiconn | Ping-pong-ping... morning :) |
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| 08:41:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i will try that with the same settings you have |
| 08:42:36 | * | JdGordon wonders how long on average a patch is useable before it gets out of sync |
| 08:45:08 | LinusN | amiconn: moooo |
| 08:55:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It would depend entirely on what the patch changes code in. |
| 08:58:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, there seems to be many things wrong with the tagcache initialization.. |
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| 09:06:56 | midgey34 | just curious, but has anyone had a chance to look at my blackjack plugin? either the code or testing it |
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| 09:08:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: I made a logf build, and am now logf()ing such a boot-commit + after-boot-scan |
| 09:08:58 | JdGordon | see... now if logf was being built for all builds anyway you wouldnt need a special build to test whatever your testing.... |
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| 09:09:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: great |
| 09:10:04 | * | amiconn hopes that this wasn't mean serious.... |
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| 09:10:10 | amiconn | (@ JdGordon) |
| 09:10:21 | JdGordon | mean = being? |
| 09:10:27 | Bg3r | JdGordon: about 45 builds more ? ;) |
| 09:10:43 | LinusN | JdGordon: the logf() builds make the remote control unusable |
| 09:11:00 | JdGordon | not with the patch that i was working on during the freeze |
| 09:11:06 | Bg3r | LinusN: depends on what do u call "unusable":) |
| 09:11:16 | amiconn | logf(9 makes the code slower and bigger |
| 09:11:59 | JdGordon | noticably? i cant image by much |
| 09:12:10 | amiconn | +12KB on H1x0 |
| 09:12:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you made all non-release logf builds, you could then request a log attached to every bug report. I mean, the argument against it is from user convenience, but the argument for is perhaps solving some of the more difficult issues more easily... |
| 09:13:00 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: that was my motivation... if i resurrect my patch would people consider it? |
| 09:13:08 | JdGordon | assuming it doesnt add 12kb to the build? |
| 09:14:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think for the swcodec targets, especially with the oddities remaining in voice and playback, forcing logf on users for a while *might* be justifiable. |
| 09:14:49 | JdGordon | the way i was doing it allowed the useer to disable it if they wanted to do so the only real disadvantage is the code increase |
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| 09:21:44 | LinusN | maybe enable logf for cvs builds and not for daily builds? |
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| 09:22:12 | LinusN | or only on swcodec targets |
| 09:22:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | My first suggestion was gonna be CVS but not Daily, then I thought swcodec instead. |
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| 09:24:17 | amiconn | I wouldn't enable logf() for any official build |
| 09:25:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would kinda clutter the disk up a lot |
| 09:25:18 | JdGordon | only in its current form.. |
| 09:25:33 | JdGordon | if i resurrect my patch, would someone look at it? |
| 09:26:06 | amiconn | logf() is a debugging aid meant for developers. I doubt that additional logs from users would be of any help. |
| 09:26:19 | amiconn | Mots of the voice bugs are easily reporducable |
| 09:27:14 | JdGordon | amiconn: ye, the point is tho, that if the devs then started using the logf then they could more or less trace what went wrong, even if they cnt reproduce it |
| 09:28:29 | amiconn | Another point is that logf() builds might be (=are in at least one case) less stable than standard builds |
| 09:29:06 | amiconn | logf() statements are sometimes "dirty", e.g. calling logf() from an isr... |
| 09:29:10 | amiconn | (recording code) |
| 09:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 09:30:15 | JdGordon | oh! |
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| 09:34:41 | JdGordon | anywho.... does anyone know php? i want to add a heap of checkboxes to my form, but how do i know which have been checkedwhen the form is sent? |
| 09:34:59 | sharpe | i used to. |
| 09:35:35 | JdGordon | or alternativly.. is there a html form thingy which is a list of items and you can select multiple items? |
| 09:36:03 | sharpe | you mean.. a selection list? |
| 09:36:14 | midkay | sharpe: you *forgot* PHP? |
| 09:36:23 | sharpe | midkay: yeah, kind of. |
| 09:36:40 | midkay | .. yeah... |
| 09:36:42 | JdGordon | sharpe: ye, selection list sounds good.. |
| 09:36:48 | sharpe | JdGordon: <select name=""><option value=""></option></select> ahah! |
| 09:38:52 | sharpe | er... |
| 09:39:37 | sharpe | be sure you add a size attribute and the multiple attribute |
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| 09:40:25 | JdGordon | how do u get the selected options in php? |
| 09:40:37 | sharpe | i think they're an array of that object... |
| 09:41:44 | JdGordon | ok, thanx |
| 09:42:08 | sharpe | :) |
| 09:44:15 | sharpe | what are you adding to the form? |
| 09:45:29 | JdGordon | a list of known to be working patches |
| 09:45:42 | sharpe | ah. |
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| 09:47:49 | LinusN | Slasheri: what is it that forces a reboot after enabling dircache? |
| 09:48:01 | LinusN | s/forces/requires/ |
| 09:48:22 | Slasheri | LinusN: memory allocation |
| 09:48:37 | LinusN | how is the dircache allocated? |
| 09:48:38 | sharpe | i love how i can get a "Un1vers1ty Degree" by calling a phone number. |
| 09:48:42 | Slasheri | however, that could be probably done even without reboot unless audio is currently playing |
| 09:49:34 | Slasheri | LinusN: at reboot, dircache allocates the previously known cache size + reserve size for modifications. Unless previous cache size is not known, cache will be built on foreground |
| 09:49:46 | LinusN | how come it doesn't use buffer_alloc()? |
| 09:49:59 | Slasheri | it uses that, but indirectly |
| 09:50:08 | Slasheri | so it modifies audiobuffer pointer directly |
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| 09:50:40 | LinusN | Slasheri: but why not call buffer_alloc()? |
| 09:50:46 | Slasheri | and no buffer_alloc should be called after the playback engine has been initialized |
| 09:51:11 | Slasheri | LinusN: hmm, i don't know. that can be fixed in future :) |
| 09:51:16 | Slasheri | shouldn't be hard to do |
| 09:52:07 | Slasheri | ah, probably that was the alignment thing so we can make sure audiobuffer keeps the long align |
| 09:52:29 | LinusN | the thing is that i'm working on a system for buffer_alloc() so we can re-do all allocations |
| 09:52:37 | sharpe | alignment is always fun... |
| 09:52:42 | Slasheri | hmm, sounds interesting |
| 09:53:00 | LinusN | i.e stop the music and have all modules that use buffer_alloc do the allocations again |
| 09:53:17 | Slasheri | that sounds interesting |
| 09:53:31 | Slasheri | it should be easy to change dircache & tagcache to use the buffer_alloc |
| 09:53:37 | LinusN | good |
| 09:54:36 | LinusN | so we won't have to reboot after changing the max-dirs-in-browser setting etc |
| 09:54:43 | Slasheri | but normally dircache can't be relocated.. at least if we ever want to use the already implemented disk loading/storing functions |
| 09:55:51 | Slasheri | tagcache doesn't have any relocation problems |
| 09:56:07 | Slasheri | because it doesn't contain any direct pointers that dircache does |
| 09:56:12 | LinusN | you mean that the stored cache image must be loaded at the same address? |
| 09:56:17 | Slasheri | yes |
| 09:56:27 | Slasheri | but currently we don't use that feature at all |
| 09:56:43 | LinusN | then we can't use it |
| 09:57:04 | Slasheri | and dircache data can't be moved, but tagcache data can be |
| 09:57:29 | Slasheri | so if we need to move dircache memory location, cache needs to be rebuilt |
| 09:57:37 | LinusN | so if we add a buffer_alloc before initializing the dircache, rockbox would crash when it loaded the cache image |
| 09:57:46 | Slasheri | yes |
| 09:57:48 | LinusN | nasty |
| 09:58:06 | Slasheri | (in fact dircache prevents loading to an incorrect address and builds cache from disk instead) |
| 09:58:14 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:00 |
| 10:07:50 | sharpe | i've been wondering... how often does someone request my help specifically...? |
| 10:09:27 | sharpe | i don't think anyone ever has... |
| 10:11:08 | sharpe | oh well... i'll go back to what i was doing. |
| 10:11:43 | scorche | one up on sharpe! |
| 10:11:53 | sharpe | hmm? |
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| 10:12:28 | scorche | another thing i have that you dont =) |
| 10:12:44 | sharpe | what's that? |
| 10:12:45 | scorche | mr. i am a rockbox expert |
| 10:13:00 | sharpe | i don't really flaunt it anymore scorche... |
| 10:13:05 | scorche | good! |
| 10:13:10 | scorche | cause it got annoying =) |
| 10:13:19 | sharpe | and when i did, it was only when you were talking about something. |
| 10:13:27 | scorche | and now back to our on-topic ways... |
| 10:13:39 | sharpe | and that was? |
| 10:13:40 | scorche | this break was brought to you by the letter g |
| 10:14:01 | sharpe | you have to have a number. |
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| 10:14:08 | scorche | and the number 96 |
| 10:14:19 | sharpe | why 'g' and '96' ? |
| 10:14:37 | pondlife | Anyone around with Flyspray priveleges? |
| 10:14:38 | scorche | because those are the ones that sponsored this break! |
| 10:14:43 | LinusN | pondlife: yup |
| 10:14:52 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5691 should be a patch, not a bug. |
| 10:14:52 | sharpe | scorche: but why did they sponsor the break? |
| 10:15:05 | pondlife | Sorry about that |
| 10:15:27 | midkay | sharpe: stop questioning already. |
| 10:15:33 | midkay | come up with your own sponsors or zippit. |
| 10:15:49 | sharpe | but i'm an inquisitive person... |
| 10:16:21 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml now with html downloads and online links |
| 10:16:22 | pondlife | LinusN: Thanks |
| 10:16:24 | Bagder | bbl |
| 10:17:21 | sharpe | sounds like a promotion for something new and exciting... |
| 10:17:50 | LinusN | pondlife: regarding your other talk patch, does it allocate a static thumbnail buffer on archos too? |
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| 10:18:37 | pondlife | Yes, if .talk clips are used |
| 10:18:44 | pondlife | I don't like #ifdefs |
| 10:19:06 | LinusN | 32k? |
| 10:19:13 | sharpe | pondlife: you'll learn to like them. :D |
| 10:19:14 | pondlife | In theory the memory corruption would happen or Archos, assuming tagcache/dircache are allowed |
| 10:19:20 | pondlife | Yep |
| 10:19:37 | pondlife | Could be smaller, or maybe it could be dynamic/user-configured? |
| 10:20:48 | LinusN | nah |
| 10:20:59 | pondlife | My largest .talk clip was 16K, so I doubled it and hoped for the best! |
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| 10:22:47 | pondlife | I'm hoping someone could test both #5690 and #5691 on Archos and report back. Paul_The_Nerd said he would when he got time (and got near his Archos). |
| 10:23:43 | pondlife | My Archos is away at the moment, at least for a week. |
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| 10:28:35 | LinusN | personally, i think your patch is cvs material |
| 10:29:27 | LinusN | i'm slightly bothered by the static .talk clip allocation on archos though |
| 10:31:54 | LinusN | on the other hand, it is a slightly "cleaner" solution than the current one |
| 10:32:36 | pondlife | Well, I'd like to have allocated dynamically, but unallocating from the audiobuf is too big a job for my limited availability |
| 10:32:49 | pondlife | KISS and safety first I though |
| 10:32:51 | pondlife | thought |
| 10:33:26 | pondlife | What I can't work out is why more .talk clip users aren't having crashes like I am. |
| 10:34:22 | JdGordon | is anyone else having problems with make complaining about no rockboxlogo.h? |
| 10:34:32 | pondlife | I guess the audiobuf getting overwritten isn't a problem unless dircache is enabled. And for some reason it seems ok if voice menus are in use (and a clip has been spoken). |
| 10:35:58 | LinusN | pondlife: i think i'll commit your patch soonish |
| 10:36:14 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 10:36:24 | pondlife | Saves me reapplying it... |
| 10:36:44 | pondlife | This is #5690 you're referring to? |
| 10:36:55 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:37:09 | pondlife | #5691 might not be fully baked yet - it fixes the problem, but I'm hoping to investigete further. |
| 10:38:15 | pondlife | I need to work out how the event queuing is meant to happen - don't suppose this is documented anywhere? (Aside from the SoftwareCodecPlayback wiki.) |
| 10:38:43 | pondlife | Anyway, got to go to the dentists now.. |
| 10:38:48 | LinusN | have fun :-) |
| 10:39:04 | * | pondlife loves dentists |
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| 10:55:19 | JdGordon | zzzz... im bored again :p |
| 10:56:56 | LinusN | JdGordon: nothing to do? |
| 10:56:59 | safetydan | Well there's 103 bugs to fix. |
| 10:57:08 | safetydan | Or 534 feature requests to implement |
| 10:57:13 | JdGordon | LinusN: not really |
| 10:57:51 | JdGordon | would it be hugely out of line if i asked for cvs commit so i can stop nagging everyone to commit my patches? |
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| 11:19:05 | PaulJam | JdGordon: is it an expected behaviour or a bug, that with your random folder patch if you select an album via the tagcache db after the playlist has finished, it doesn't jump to a random folder and returns to the browser. |
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| 11:29:59 | Mmmm | Hmm I don't seem to be getting notifications from flyspray anymore....anyone else? |
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| 11:34:15 | Mmmm | ah.... maybe its that sourceforge email address...... |
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| 11:38:17 | Gnelik | Mmmm: Yep, no notifications from forum to |
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| 11:42:22 | ravon | btw, where do the swedish developers live? |
| 11:42:29 | LinusN | sweden? :-) |
| 11:42:36 | ravon | Indeed, but where? |
| 11:42:52 | LinusN | well, there are several swedish devs |
| 11:43:20 | LinusN | i, bagder and zagor live in/near stockholm |
| 11:43:34 | ravon | Well, you and Bj?rn for instance. It's always as amusing to find out that someone lives extremely close to you. |
| 11:43:37 | ravon | ah |
| 11:44:31 | ravon | You all work at Haxx? |
| 11:45:00 | * | amiconn is waiting for Mr. playlist to appear |
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| 11:48:05 | LinusN | ravon: i björn and daniel have a company called Haxx, yes |
| 11:48:19 | LinusN | amiconn: mr playlist == hardeep? |
| 11:48:37 | amiconn | yup |
| 11:50:40 | JdGordon | PaulJam: bug probalbly... i dont use the tagdb so i havnt tested that |
| 11:52:03 | ravon | LinusN: And you guys _are_ close to me (Huddinge). Thanks, my curiosity has been satisfied. |
| 11:53:00 | LinusN | ravon: Daniel lives in Huddinge and I live in Haninge :-) |
| 11:53:49 | amiconn | There's a bug with "insert shuffled": If shuffle is off and you start a playlist by choosing Playlist->Insert Shuffled on a folder directly after boot, the resulting playlist order is always the same |
| 11:54:14 | LinusN | aha |
| 11:54:32 | amiconn | That means the prng isn't seeded, but it's not a simple fix because resume must be taken into account |
| 11:55:23 | amiconn | Ahem, of course I mean the resulting order is always the same for a certain folder, unless something within that folder changes |
| 11:56:11 | Mmmm | Gnelik: I changed my email address from the sourceforge one and now notifications are working nicely :) |
| 11:57:16 | LinusN | amiconn: when this happens, have you resumed playback when starting the device? |
| 11:57:25 | amiconn | nope |
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| 11:57:51 | amiconn | Just boot -> go to the folder -> Playlist->Insert Shuffled |
| 11:58:45 | amiconn | Note the resulting order (playlist viewer), reboot, try again, and compare the order |
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| 11:59:32 | LinusN | really odd |
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| 12:00:15 | LinusN | which device? |
| 12:02:55 | amiconn | Discovered on Ondio (guess by whom), verified on Recorder and H140 |
| 12:03:14 | JdGordon | and h300 |
| 12:03:17 | JdGordon | just tried it |
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| 12:05:11 | Gnelik | Would RB support video??? |
| 12:05:30 | LinusN | Gnelik: maybe some day, if someone writes the code for it |
| 12:06:24 | Gnelik | ^( |
| 12:06:27 | Gnelik | :( |
| 12:06:30 | LinusN | amiconn: in playlist.c, new_playlist(), add after the call to empty_playlist(): |
| 12:06:42 | LinusN | playlist->seed = current_tick; |
| 12:06:57 | LinusN | worth a try |
| 12:07:45 | Gnelik | IPod video vithout video, funny :) |
| 12:09:06 | PaulJam | Gnelik: you can still boot the apple firmware to watch videos |
| 12:09:23 | amiconn | Rockbox already supports video, just not on all targets |
| 12:09:28 | * | amiconn is always tempted to comment on video support requests |
| 12:09:47 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:09:54 | amiconn | ...and the method it supports video on the archoses isn't suitable for colour displays |
| 12:10:16 | chendo | so what's the limitation on getting something like xvid to work? |
| 12:10:24 | chendo | is it optimisation? |
| 12:10:33 | LinusN | plenty of it :_) |
| 12:10:45 | * | amiconn would really like to take a look at the MooVid sources |
| 12:10:53 | amiconn | Unfortunately they're not open :( |
| 12:11:09 | * | linuxstb_ googles MooVid |
| 12:11:17 | amiconn | Or RiVA |
| 12:11:31 | amiconn | linuxstb_: MPEG1/MPEG2 video player for amiga |
| 12:12:00 | amiconn | asm optimised decoder, realtime for lower resolutions. That is with a CPU slower than our coldfires and arms... |
| 12:12:19 | amiconn | (but it might use floating point, in which case the 68060 has an advantage) |
| 12:12:49 | LinusN | aaah! "100% assembly coded (fast & short)" |
| 12:12:57 | Gnelik | iPodlinux supports video why can't you look at their code anâ write the same :) |
| 12:13:01 | chendo | how hard is it to develop a rockbox plugin anyway? |
| 12:13:12 | LinusN | damn simple |
| 12:13:37 | amiconn | Gnelik: Uncompressed video on colour displays? Nah, forget it |
| 12:13:41 | chendo | is there a link somewhere? |
| 12:13:53 | amiconn | ipl doesn't support video on the iPod video afaik |
| 12:14:09 | Gnelik | its beter that nothing |
| 12:14:42 | LinusN | Gnelik: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 12:14:57 | LinusN | sorry, was for chendo |
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| 12:15:40 | chendo | hmm |
| 12:15:48 | chendo | should be real easy to get a rockbox emulator up yeah? |
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| 12:17:12 | JdGordon | chendo: ye, as long as u can compile sdl apps your pretty much good to go |
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| 12:17:32 | JdGordon | is sound working properly in the sim? |
| 12:17:41 | chendo | pity i don't have time to do anything for rockbox, have other projects do work on :/ |
| 12:17:43 | * | man_in_shack waves |
| 12:18:30 | * | LinusN spots a waving man in a shack |
| 12:19:06 | * | man_in_shack spots a spotting LinusN |
| 12:19:12 | * | man_in_shack marks it off his birdwatching list |
| 12:19:33 | man_in_shack | was in here before asking about creative zens |
| 12:20:42 | PaulJam | JdGordon: in the sim audioplyback skips often with the error "sdl_audio_callback: No Data." shown. |
| 12:20:46 | JdGordon | am i going crazy or could u change the volume from the file browser with the remote before? |
| 12:20:55 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 12:21:09 | man_in_shack | there are a few chips in my zen touch. anyone want to know what they are? |
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| 12:21:11 | chendo | i'm surprised nobody has started working on a proper video plugin already |
| 12:21:12 | chendo | or are they? |
| 12:21:15 | man_in_shack | i pulled it appart 8) |
| 12:21:30 | JdGordon | chendo: iirc there is one on the tracker |
| 12:21:37 | JdGordon | very early development tho |
| 12:21:38 | LinusN | man_in_shack: create a CreativeZenInfo page in the wiki |
| 12:21:48 | PaulJam | chendo: i think there is an xvid decoder on the tracker. |
| 12:21:55 | linuxstb_ | Gnelik: I'm sure it would be fairly easy to port IPL's uncompressed video player to Rockbox, but I've never seen anyone show any interest in doing that. |
| 12:22:09 | chendo | oh? |
| 12:22:12 | chendo | tracker? |
| 12:22:54 | PaulJam | chendo: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 |
| 12:23:05 | man_in_shack | ahh, no wonder the touchpad doesn't work right |
| 12:23:09 | man_in_shack | it's synaptics powered |
| 12:23:16 | JdGordon | is that the one that does 3fps without displaying anything? |
| 12:23:21 | markun | JdGordon: yes |
| 12:23:50 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:23:55 | Gnelik | ^) |
| 12:24:18 | chendo | interesting |
| 12:24:26 | man_in_shack | LinusN, do i need to attach images to it or can i just use chip ids? |
| 12:24:57 | Gnelik | Doesn't Ipod have hardware video support? |
| 12:24:59 | LinusN | it would be nice if you attached images, but if you are sure about the id's you can skip them |
| 12:26:46 | linuxstb_ | Gnelik: The 5g does, yes - a completely undocumented Broadcom chip. |
| 12:27:22 | Gnelik | linuxstb_:But it is hard to use it??? |
| 12:27:37 | linuxstb_ | "completely undocumented" = "hard to use". |
| 12:29:23 | linuxstb_ | Although it appears to act as a black box, with the Apple firmware just passing the video to it for it to decode. So it would be possible to use it in the same way from Rockbox by reverse-engineering this communication in the Apple firmware. But then you'll just get video playback which is identical to Apple's. |
| 12:30:11 | nudelyn2 | better than rebooting to watch video |
| 12:30:22 | Gnelik | But you dont need Apple OS |
| 12:30:23 | linuxstb_ | More interesting would be running our own code on the Broadcom chip, but as we don't even know the instruction set of either the processor or DSP in the Broadcom chip, reverse-engineering it is slightly troublesome... |
| 12:30:58 | man_in_shack | LinusN, i don't see "add page" or anything on the wiki :| |
| 12:31:09 | man_in_shack | and yes i have registered |
| 12:31:18 | Bg3r | man_in_shack: just go to the page u want to create |
| 12:31:23 | man_in_shack | cool |
| 12:31:24 | LinusN | just go to the topic, and it will ask you if you want to create it |
| 12:31:42 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 12:32:02 | man_in_shack | suggestions ... CreativeZen, CreativePort, CreativeZenTouch ...? |
| 12:32:09 | linuxstb_ | nudelyn2, Gnelik: The bigger hurdle is that no Rockbox devs seem to be interested in video playback... Breakthroughs like that are more likely to come from IPL - they are much more interested in video playback. |
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| 12:33:29 | man_in_shack | cos i only have info about the zen touch |
| 12:33:40 | man_in_shack | can pages be renamed later? |
| 12:34:26 | LinusN | yes |
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| 12:39:24 | man_in_shack | do i need to be in the Users group? |
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| 12:41:02 | JdGordon | not letting you edit pages? |
| 12:41:10 | man_in_shack | not letting me create |
| 12:41:22 | man_in_shack | Access check on Main.CreativeZenTouch failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web. |
| 12:41:35 | JdGordon | whats your username? |
| 12:41:39 | man_in_shack | BenKlein |
| 12:42:20 | JdGordon | you sshould be able to now |
| 12:42:32 | man_in_shack | wheeee! |
| 12:42:35 | man_in_shack | ty Jd |
| 12:43:06 | JdGordon | np |
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| 12:44:47 | JdGordon | has there been any talk about how to get rid of the button #ifdef hell? |
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| 13:21:22 | man_in_shack | how do you do bold+italics on the wiki? |
| 13:22:34 | amiconn | linuxstb__: freedom2connectionreset.net ? |
| 13:22:48 | man_in_shack | or any combination of formatting :| |
| 13:22:54 | man_in_shack | like bold+monospace |
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| 13:23:54 | man_in_shack | nevermind on that last one :)_ |
| 13:24:31 | man_in_shack | and in fact the one before lol |
| 13:24:36 | * | man_in_shack apple-logies |
| 13:25:15 | man_in_shack | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZenTouch << this is what i have so far |
| 13:25:19 | man_in_shack | more later i hope |
| 13:25:42 | man_in_shack | but i'm hoping to be able to fix it 8) |
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| 13:27:43 | man_in_shack | anyone have any tips on making a synaptics powered touchpad actually WORK properly? |
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| 13:28:16 | Bg3r | Above that is one labelled: SST 39VF400A 70-4C-EK 0410148-AB <= probably flash ? |
| 13:28:34 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 13:28:46 | amiconn | SST39VF400A is definitely flash rom |
| 13:29:08 | man_in_shack | this is why i wanted to put the chip names up |
| 13:29:12 | man_in_shack | cos i don't know what they are |
| 13:29:19 | Bg3r | K4S281632F-TC75 <= 2M x 16Bit x 4 Banks SDRAM |
| 13:29:55 | man_in_shack | cool |
| 13:30:04 | amiconn | 4MBit (512KByte) |
| 13:30:17 | markun | and the TMS320 is the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 of course |
| 13:30:30 | amiconn | urgh, TI |
| 13:30:43 | man_in_shack | indeed |
| 13:31:08 | Bg3r | amiconn: 2M = 2mbit? |
| 13:31:08 | amiconn | TI == no docs and no free compiler iirc |
| 13:31:15 | JdGordon | can anyone think of an abrstarcted action that is in any rb target that is not in this list? http://pastebin.ca/98155 |
| 13:31:30 | LinusN | man_in_shack: one reason to attach images is that it makes it easier to identify the chips |
| 13:31:37 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 13:31:42 | amiconn | Bg3r: Yes, but 2M x 16Bit x 4 Banks means 16MByte in total (iiuc) |
| 13:31:52 | man_in_shack | but i can't use the camera right now |
| 13:31:57 | man_in_shack | should have pics up this week |
| 13:32:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: "special1"? |
| 13:33:04 | JdGordon | ye, i dunno :p |
| 13:33:13 | JdGordon | placeholder... |
| 13:33:14 | * | man_in_shack wishes he knew how to reassemble this thing so the touchpad worked both up and down |
| 13:33:30 | * | JdGordon has no idea how to handle the remote buttons |
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| 13:34:35 | Bg3r | JdGordon: amiconn suggested something like a replacable "hook" function for these actions, iirc |
| 13:35:15 | JdGordon | amiconn: ? |
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| 13:36:48 | Febs | Interesting. If I keep my iPod video in the File Browser or a menu, I can use the EQ with no buffer underruns at all. |
| 13:37:47 | dan_a | Febs: I've found that the WPS seems to cause a lot of buffer underruns too. |
| 13:39:00 | Bg3r | JdGordon: iiuc, his idea was to have an upper layer function above button_get (like get_action()), which has default return values, but can be changed with a user supplied one.. |
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| 13:40:55 | JdGordon | ye, thats what im doing, these values ideally would be defined for every target so instead of checking for the button code, the button loop checks these... the codes can be replaced (maybe at runtime for user configurable setup?) in later calls the the get_action() functio |
| 13:42:16 | linuxstb | Febs: Screen updates are very expensive on the 5g - I don't know how often a typical WPS redraws the screen... |
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| 13:42:36 | Bg3r | JdGordon: yep |
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| 13:43:50 | man_in_shack | i must have a bad contact somewhere here but i can't work out what's going on :( |
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| 13:44:55 | Bg3r | pastebin is spamattacked ... |
| 13:45:05 | man_in_shack | :O |
| 13:47:41 | * | linuxstb wonders why Rolo won't load an ipodlinux kernel... |
| 13:49:39 | LinusN | because rolo only loads rockbox binaries |
| 13:50:44 | linuxstb | :) I've changed it so it _should_ work..., but the kernel appears to crash immediately. |
| 13:51:15 | man_in_shack | why "_should_" it work? |
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| 13:51:58 | linuxstb | Because I load it to the correct place in memory and transfer execution to its entry point... |
| 13:53:02 | linuxstb | ... after performing the same hardware "uninitialisation" that seems to be working fine when rolo-ing Rockbox. |
| 13:53:24 | Bg3r | JdGordon: see http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060322.txt |
| 13:53:52 | man_in_shack | linuxstb, maybe rockbox's binary is crashing? |
| 13:54:07 | * | JdGordon wishes the irc logs had html bookmarks in them for every hour... |
| 13:54:15 | JdGordon | Bg3r: roughly where? |
| 13:54:17 | man_in_shack | at the exact point that it loads the kernel into memory |
| 13:54:33 | man_in_shack | or should i say rolo |
| 13:55:25 | Bg3r | hm |
| 13:55:33 | Bg3r | JdGordon: ~ 13:58 |
| 13:55:43 | JdGordon | ta |
| 13:55:50 | linuxstb | man_in_shack: No - the same function loads a raw "rockbox.bin" file fine. |
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| 13:58:55 | JdGordon | hmm... ah yes, i remember that convo.. partially.. |
| 13:59:34 | man_in_shack | ok, now i can't get the touchpad working at all :( |
| 13:59:38 | JdGordon | the ipod buttons is where my thing falls over :'( |
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| 14:00:08 | Bg3r | JdGordon: u mean the wheel ? |
| 14:00:15 | JdGordon | ye |
| 14:00:26 | JdGordon | specifically the menu button being used for both up and menu |
| 14:01:42 | man_in_shack | dammit i brokedded it |
| 14:01:43 | man_in_shack | :( |
| 14:01:49 | PaulJam | Slasheri: is it, or will it be possible to show the tagcache entrys in the form of 'Artist - Title' ? i have tried it with the line '"Test" title = "%s - %s" artist title', but this only showed: 'Title - Title'. |
| 14:01:55 | Bg3r | JdGordon: ? u mean long/short press ? |
| 14:02:44 | JdGordon | no, long short is handled perfectly.. is long pres menu for menu and short press up? coz if so then all is good... |
| 14:04:00 | Slasheri | PaulJam: currently that isn't possible, at the moment it's only possible to use the current tag as the string tag |
| 14:04:05 | Slasheri | but numeric tags can be anything |
| 14:04:24 | Bg3r | LinusN: ? |
| 14:04:27 | Bg3r | ops |
| 14:04:29 | Bg3r | linuxstb: ? |
| 14:04:35 | PaulJam | Slasheri: ah, thanks |
| 14:04:52 | Slasheri | PaulJam: that could course performance issues if we would need to load the other tags too |
| 14:04:56 | Slasheri | *cause |
| 14:05:48 | JdGordon | although.. reading that log looks like im still not abstracting it enough.. but tough :D ill finish the initial stuff and then we can argue |
| 14:06:03 | Bg3r | JdGordon: <Bg3r> amiconn what are the worst button combos for now ? |
| 14:06:08 | * | man_in_shack is annoyed |
| 14:06:11 | Bg3r | <amiconn> Bg3r: Short-long on iriver, double click on Ondio, and triple-presses in the text viewer on player |
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| 14:07:18 | Bg3r | JdGordon: of course, maybe this is a little bit outdated |
| 14:07:27 | JdGordon | short-long and triple isnt gonna be easy to solve at all.. double press i _think_ my code will handle, maybe with tiny mods |
| 14:07:58 | Bg3r | short-long could be possible with a timeout |
| 14:08:00 | Bg3r | like |
| 14:08:23 | Bg3r | if(no button press within the timeout) return short_button_action; |
| 14:09:12 | Bg3r | but this will slow down the button "reactions" |
| 14:10:33 | JdGordon | Bg3r: i rekon those funny combos should still be handled by the calling code, because how infrequeently they are used |
| 14:11:01 | JdGordon | my whole goal was eliminate the _pre and the #ifdefs |
| 14:11:05 | JdGordon | which i tihnk i have |
| 14:11:10 | Bg3r | JdGordon: or maybe we should have a special get_action() hook for the wps |
| 14:11:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: now that autoupdate thing should have been fixed |
| 14:11:42 | Bg3r | JdGordon: in 3 words - i'm with you |
| 14:11:57 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:12:13 | Bg3r | JdGordon: |
| 14:12:14 | Bg3r | also |
| 14:12:30 | Bg3r | have in mind the different iriver lcd remotes ;) |
| 14:12:55 | JdGordon | all in good time :p |
| 14:13:24 | JdGordon | in theory the mappings should all be changeable at run time... |
| 14:13:31 | Bg3r | yep |
| 14:13:38 | Bg3r | this is the idea |
| 14:14:48 | JdGordon | do i hit pastebin with what ive got? or the ml? |
| 14:15:01 | Bg3r | better mailing list or wiki... |
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| 14:27:53 | Bg3r | Slasheri: is the first known issue in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache (limit to 10 000 files) still valid ? |
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| 14:28:15 | Slasheri | Bg3r: there should be no more limits |
| 14:28:25 | Slasheri | at least that 10 000 files limit is gone |
| 14:31:04 | Bg3r | ok, just deleted this paragraph |
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| 14:36:04 | webguest92 | slasheri: what's in the future for tagcache? |
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| 14:36:30 | JdGordon | elinenbe_work: its getting scrapped! |
| 14:36:41 | elinenbe_work | what? It's getting scrapped? Why? |
| 14:37:14 | Slasheri | elinenbe_work: much work to do :) |
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| 14:37:47 | Slasheri | bug fixes and new features |
| 14:38:12 | elinenbe_work | wait, so is it getting scrapped for something better, or is it getting scrapped because you don't think it will never be finished, or is it NOT getting scrapped? |
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| 14:39:22 | elinenbe_work | Slasheri: so, new features... what will they be? :-) |
| 14:39:30 | Slasheri | no, it's not getting scrapped.. at least not by me |
| 14:40:11 | * | JdGordon was joking :p |
| 14:40:14 | Slasheri | nobody knows for sure, but at least some small enhancements such as better conditional searching etc. |
| 14:40:19 | Bg3r | JdGordon: don't lie poor people :P |
| 14:40:27 | Slasheri | i hope tagcache has a better future than the playback engine had :) |
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| 14:40:44 | Bg3r | they're living for the tagcache:P |
| 14:40:56 | JdGordon | Slasheri: are u gonna add the patch so tagnavi doesnt get overwirtten on updates? |
| 14:41:05 | Slasheri | JdGordon: yes |
| 14:41:16 | Slasheri | as soon as i have some time to do that =) |
| 14:41:20 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 14:41:22 | JdGordon | np |
| 14:41:23 | elinenbe_work | oh... thanks for clearing that up! Slasheri, you should have a widget based conditional search! |
| 14:41:46 | elinenbe_work | play "songs" from the "80s" with "Love" in the title.... |
| 14:42:12 | elinenbe_work | play "albums" from "before" "1960" with "Elvis" in the title |
| 14:42:28 | Slasheri | yeah, and btw. that is already possible |
| 14:43:08 | elinenbe_work | Slasheri: is it possible to do that _on_the_device? |
| 14:45:01 | PaulJam | Slasheri: btw, yesterday it happened to me that i got caught in the Tracks-view and wasn't able to go to the tagcache root by pressing left. after switching to filtree and back it worked again. but unfortuneatly i have no idea how to reproduce this. |
| 14:45:09 | man_in_shack | well i've found the electrical connection for "down" on this thing |
| 14:45:14 | man_in_shack | but i can't find "up" :| |
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| 14:47:39 | Slasheri | elinenbe_work: by editing the tagnavi.config, yes |
| 14:47:45 | Slasheri | but not on-the-fly yet |
| 14:48:05 | Slasheri | PaulJam: hmm, weird |
| 14:48:06 | PaulJam | there is a text editor |
| 14:48:49 | PaulJam | Slasheri: but i'm using a patched build, so this might have caused it. |
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| 14:53:36 | elinenbe_work | Slasheri: thanks |
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| 14:56:42 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ive just turned on tagcache for the first time.. so kick me if you want to... shuoldnt it work like the file browser in that if you goto the context menu for a item that has subitems you should get the "insert, insert shuffled" options? |
| 14:57:00 | JdGordon | instead of showing the open with option which doesnt make sense |
| 14:57:54 | JdGordon | and shouldnt <all tracks> load them all into the playlist? |
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| 15:03:50 | Slasheri | JdGordon: yes, the context menu has currently some limitations |
| 15:04:14 | Slasheri | probably i will try to fix that soon.. so entire tagcache folders can be inserted to the playlist |
| 15:04:28 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 15:05:00 | PaulJam | Slasheri: i was able to reproduce the bug i mentioned earlier. i'll now try to reproduce with a clean build. |
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| 15:12:48 | JdGordon | if tagcache is not loaded to ram does it use any ram? |
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| 15:21:26 | PaulJam | Slasheri: the bug seems to be related to the follow playlist option. reproduction: in id3 view play a track, then while in wps select filetree, then goto the browser and press left until you are in the root, and then switch back to id3 view. |
| 15:21:53 | PaulJam | (with follow playlist enabled) |
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| 15:28:50 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5450.0 makes no sense.. why the heck would he write the edit in english if the whole post is germna?? |
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| 15:33:06 | amiconn | Bg3r: There are no more triple-presses in the player text viewer since the settings were converted into a menu |
| 15:33:41 | Bg3r | yep, i supposed so |
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| 17:28:40 | * | preglow spots himself |
| 17:28:51 | preglow | back again from being scorched in england |
| 17:29:33 | linuxstb | I'm still being scorched |
| 17:30:01 | preglow | i believe you |
| 17:30:04 | preglow | london was hell |
| 17:30:23 | preglow | the one time i went |
| 17:30:56 | linuxstb | Luckily I'm working from home most of the time, so don't have to suffer the tube. |
| 17:31:03 | preglow | ahah |
| 17:31:10 | preglow | i suffered it |
| 17:31:54 | * | freqmod thinks preglow is a little lonely, as he talks to himself all the time. |
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| 17:32:22 | Coeus28 | hello, I was wondering what the avg battery life is for a ipod 4th gen using rockbox? |
| 17:32:24 | preglow | i didnt know linuxstb was a figment of my imagination |
| 17:32:32 | preglow | not altogether unlikely, i guess |
| 17:33:00 | * | linuxstb ponders his existence |
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| 17:36:52 | preglow | aywho |
| 17:36:58 | preglow | i see the freeze is off |
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| 17:37:01 | preglow | which i guess is good |
| 17:37:11 | goffa | yeah... i'm enjoying it |
| 17:37:24 | goffa | i've seen more x5 development in the last 2 weeks than i have in the last 3 months |
| 17:37:47 | preglow | small wonder |
| 17:37:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Seen the ipod3g progress? |
| 17:37:56 | preglow | linuxstb: i have indeed |
| 17:37:59 | preglow | looks good |
| 17:38:12 | preglow | though codec performance doesnt exactly thrill me |
| 17:38:39 | linuxstb | dan_a has said he gets realtime MP3 when compiling libmad with -O (instead of the current -O2), and by being in a menu instead of the WPS. |
| 17:39:13 | linuxstb | I haven't had chance to compare -O and -O2 on my ipod yet. |
| 17:40:38 | preglow | menu instead of wps makes sense |
| 17:40:52 | preglow | -O instead of -O2 should work on 502x as well, then |
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| 17:44:22 | ]RowaN[ | guys whats a good website for mp3 player reviews? i'd like to compare sd based players and see whats best.. my ihp120 is starting to feel too bulky to talk on my commute =/ |
| 17:44:50 | nudelyn2 | I quite like http://www.dapreview.net |
| 17:44:56 | ]RowaN[ | i was just there |
| 17:45:13 | ]RowaN[ | but they dont seem to split their reviews by hd/flash/internalflash/etc |
| 17:45:16 | ]RowaN[ | just by date |
| 17:45:33 | nudelyn2 | they often mention similar products at the end of reviews i think |
| 17:45:40 | ]RowaN[ | ah |
| 17:45:51 | preglow | food time |
| 17:45:59 | _FireFly_ | happa happa ;) |
| 17:46:43 | ]RowaN[ | theres some £10 sd mp3 players on ebay from hongkong.. should be good for a laff |
| 17:50:16 | breaker | Hi! I borrowed an iTrip with LCD from a friend, it doesn't work with my iPod 5G. I read that serial communication is needed to turn the iTrip on (which is connected with the dock connector). Does anyone know if there's some progress to support iPod serial communication? |
| 17:51:47 | linuxstb | Nope. There is some non-working code in ipodlinux, but that's all. |
| 17:58:11 | BigMac | !seen Jdgordon |
| 17:58:32 | BigMac | anyone seen jd recently? |
| 17:58:52 | BigMac | breaker |
| 17:59:01 | BigMac | there is one way |
| 17:59:17 | BigMac | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/rockbox-itrip-and-ipod.html |
| 17:59:23 | BigMac | check that out |
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| 18:01:04 | linuxstb | BigMac: I think Jdgordon left a couple of hours ago - it's currently around 2am in Australia. |
| 18:02:01 | BigMac | aw |
| 18:02:13 | BigMac | has anyone tried his compiler? |
| 18:05:46 | BigMac | linuxstb:you still here |
| 18:06:08 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 18:07:06 | BigMac | could you tell me what part in the wps i have to change and what to change it to if i want to make it so the font it uses is nimbus 12? |
| 18:07:50 | linuxstb | You change the theme .cfg file. |
| 18:08:41 | linuxstb | Easiest way is to use "Browse Fonts" to select nimbus 12, then go into the Manage Settings menu, and write a config file. Then (on your PC), open up that config file in a text editor, and find the line which sets the font. Then copy that line into your theme's .cfg file. |
| 18:09:37 | BigMac | ok will do |
| 18:10:15 | nudelyn2 | font: /.rockbox/fonts/nimbus-12.fnt in the .cfg file |
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| 18:25:51 | breaker | BigMac: I read that already. And I don't want to have some extra batteries with a button that I have to press whenever I use the iTrip. ;) But thanks anyway. |
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| 18:28:57 | BigMac | its all good:-) i wouldn't do that either because im not that technical |
| 18:29:04 | breaker | I own an AudiaX FM transmitter which works really good. A distance of 10m in-house through walls is no problem. But I saw the iTrip which is connected directly to the iPod and so is is more handy than an external device with a cable (like the AudiaX). |
| 18:29:13 | BigMac | but i think it is the only rockbox ipod option |
| 18:30:05 | breaker | I also read some comments about the iTrip that say that it is not really good. Some people complain about bad sound quality or low range. I have none of these problems with the AudiaX. |
| 18:30:22 | breaker | But maybe that is because of the short cable which acts as an antenna. |
| 18:30:59 | BigMac | yah they have a mod to increase the range of the itrip |
| 18:31:14 | goffa | 09:33 < preglow> ahah |
| 18:31:14 | goffa | 09:33 < preglow> i suffered it [09:33] [goffa(+i)] [2:#rockbox(+cnt)] [Act: 3] |
| 18:31:14 | goffa | [#rockbox] |
| 18:31:44 | preglow | ok |
| 18:31:56 | preglow | im off again anyway, back in a day or two |
| 18:33:55 | goffa | oops |
| 18:33:58 | goffa | didn't see that paste |
| 18:34:17 | goffa | must have right clicked by accident |
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| 18:42:33 | goffa | hmm.. amd bought ati... |
| 18:44:11 | grimman | Nice. |
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| 18:47:48 | BigMac | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5442.0 <-5g users. i updated it with a better font by popular demand |
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| 18:57:43 | grimman | Anyone care to inform me how I turn off FlipIt (plugin) without rebooting? |
| 18:57:49 | grimman | And no, there's no documentation. |
| 18:57:54 | BigMac | menu select |
| 18:58:03 | grimman | ty |
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| 18:58:06 | BigMac | np |
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| 19:39:35 | tucoz | grimman: around? |
| 19:41:02 | tucoz | I am curious to why you said that there is no information on how to quit flipit. The manual shows the keys for all actions for that plugin. |
| 19:41:55 | tucoz | anyway, the manual as pdf/html is to be found at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 19:42:08 | Yakuzza | hi |
| 19:42:24 | Yakuzza | associations to action 8085 ? |
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| 19:42:56 | Yakuzza | Action 2085 |
| 19:42:57 | Yakuzza | sry |
| 19:43:25 | tucoz | what is that? |
| 19:43:38 | Yakuzza | should be a chipset |
| 19:43:56 | Yakuzza | i bought an mp3 player with vidiofunctions and that chipset is build in |
| 19:44:38 | tucoz | ah. I see. I have never heard of that chipset, so I don't think a rockbox port for that is in development |
| 19:44:39 | Yakuzza | i believe there are many players with such a chipset outthere and sometimes there are already developments on common chipsets |
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| 19:45:06 | Yakuzza | ok, sometimes anyone knows well references :) |
| 19:45:34 | tucoz | archos, coldfire, ipods at the moment |
| 19:46:04 | tucoz | and some detective work for the portalplayer chipsets is on going |
| 19:46:40 | tucoz | ah, and the toshiba gigabeat is in development as well |
| 19:47:23 | BigMac | anyone ever have any sucsess with any pyramid sceme site? |
| 19:47:39 | tucoz | probably the founders ;) |
| 19:48:14 | BigMac | im talking bought the ones that you get a free ipod or whatever by doing an offer |
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| 19:48:27 | Nibbler | <tucoz> probably the founders ;) |
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| 19:50:59 | linuxstb | Hmm... Compiling libmad at -O2 (as happens now) gives me 66% boost on my ipod (4g Color), but changing that to "-O" gives 60% boost... |
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| 19:52:07 | dan_a | linuxstb: Is that better or worse? I've not worked out what the boost is referring to yet |
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| 19:53:34 | tucoz | the boost percentage is the percentage that the processor is running at full speed when decoding a track. So, less is better |
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| 19:55:01 | linuxstb | Yes, lower is better. 100% boost would mean the CPU is contantly at the high speed - 0% boost means it's constantly at the low speed. |
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| 19:55:47 | linuxstb | dan_a: So it's definitely better - I'll commit your change for all ipods. |
| 19:56:34 | dan_a | Thanks. :) |
| 19:58:20 | dan_a | I'm still searching round for optimisations that are within my capabilities... what is involved in optimising the use of IRAM in a codec? |
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| 20:12:40 | goffa | anyone know of any windows freeware to edit an mp3? |
| 20:15:06 | Nibbler | wavelab16, is that free? dont know |
| 20:15:23 | obo | audacity - depends on what you mean by edit :) |
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| 20:21:39 | goffa | i just want to crop one.. i ended up using goldwave |
| 20:23:23 | BigMac | you mean like cut out the part you don't want in the song? |
| 20:25:44 | BigMac | wtf |
| 20:25:56 | BigMac | green 5g screwed up my box |
| 20:26:38 | BigMac | i put it on and now when i cycle to the theme i like, the menu is fine but the stays the same as the last theme selected |
| 20:26:59 | BigMac | i deleted all of the green and blue 5g themes from my pod but no luck |
| 20:27:10 | BigMac | i tried shutting it off and everything |
| 20:27:44 | sharpe | BigMac: when booting rockbox switch hold on. |
| 20:29:30 | BigMac | nope now the wps doesnt have any of the jblackglass bars |
| 20:29:57 | BigMac | all the other ones work accept the one i like |
| 20:34:39 | * | dionoea has some questions :) what does GPIO stand for ? |
| 20:35:27 | dan_a | dionoea: General Purpose Input/Output |
| 20:35:36 | BigMac | wtf |
| 20:35:43 | BigMac | its still not working! |
| 20:35:44 | linuxstb_ | goffa: mp3directcut |
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| 20:35:53 | BigMac | i tried remaking the wps |
| 20:35:59 | dionoea | dan_a: is that I/O to the CPU ? |
| 20:36:01 | BigMac | and it still won't work |
| 20:36:08 | BigMac | and its only this one theme |
| 20:37:10 | BigMac | anyone want to jump in and help? |
| 20:37:35 | dan_a | dionoea: I *think* it's the I/O between the CPU and some of the peripherals. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong |
| 20:40:00 | BigMac | wps: /.rockbox/wps/jBlackGlass-1.wpsfont: /.rockbox/fonts/nimbus-12.fnt |
| 20:40:00 | BigMac | foreground color: FFFFFF |
| 20:40:00 | BigMac | background color: 000000 |
| 20:40:00 | BigMac | backdrop: /.rockbox/backdrops/jBlackGlass-1.bmp |
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| 20:40:12 | BigMac | does that cfg file look normal? |
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| 20:42:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Well, there is the little problem where the font line got added on the end of the wps line. But please, don't post lists or files into here, there's pastebin and other places for that. |
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| 20:43:05 | kazukisan | Hey is there a way i can like format my Archos Jukebox Studio 20 and start over, right now when i try to start it it tells me the ver number and stays on that screen and then if i hold down stop it says HD error and shuts off, i may need to charge it which hasent been done in like 6 months but id rather after that start from scratch with rockbox |
| 20:43:25 | BigMac | paul:what is the problem |
| 20:43:47 | BigMac | im going to take a screen dump to show you guys what im talking aboot |
| 20:44:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: I told you what was wrong with the .cfg file. |
| 20:44:57 | BigMac | Well, there is the little problem where the font line got added on the end of the wps line. |
| 20:44:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Look at any working config file, and then look at yours, and read through the whole first line, and I think you'll see the difference. If you actually try to reason these things out, it often works. |
| 20:47:25 | dionoea | 5G uses PP5020 ? |
| 20:47:44 | BigMac | i think i figured out the problem, but i dunno how to fix it. it does not seem like when i go to the wps it is transitioning from the backdrop to the wps |
| 20:47:50 | BigMac | it is using the same image |
| 20:49:25 | dionoea | some more questions: what does FIQ mean ? what do CPU/COP mailboxes refer to ?(pipes between two cores ?) |
| 20:50:35 | BigMac | http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/anarchyluvsme/dump060724-144532.jpg <-see how it is using the backdrop |
| 20:50:56 | BigMac | http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/anarchyluvsme/dump060724-144649.jpg <-but the other wps's work |
| 20:50:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: I already _told_ you what the problem with the .cfg file is. |
| 20:51:10 | BigMac | you said it had to do with font |
| 20:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I didn't say it had to do with font. |
| 20:51:25 | BigMac | Well, there is the little problem where the font line got added on the end of the wps line. |
| 20:51:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't need to paste it |
| 20:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let alone a second time |
| 20:51:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know exactly what I said, and if you read that, it doesn't say the font is the problem |
| 20:52:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It says that the wps line and the font line in the cfg file are the problem |
| 20:52:22 | BigMac | k brb |
| 20:53:31 | dan_a | dionoea: I can't remember exactly which CPU the 5g uses, but Rockbox assumes that it is a PP5020 |
| 20:53:39 | BigMac | it looks the same paul |
| 20:54:02 | dionoea | dan_a: ok, thanks |
| 20:54:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bigmac: Seeing as you haven't said what you did to try to fix it, telling me it didn't work doesn't really matter. |
| 20:54:20 | dan_a | FIQ is a special interrupt mode on the ARM processor, and I think that the mailboxes are so that the 2 processors can talk to each other |
| 20:55:23 | BigMac | i have said everything i have done. I have remade the wps bmp, i have cleared my rockbox, i have restarted, and i just compared .cfg files |
| 20:55:33 | BigMac | and i cant seem to find what is the problem |
| 20:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you didn't make a change, it didn't work, and you came to tell me that not changing anything didn't fix it. |
| 20:56:16 | BigMac | i just said i did change the wps |
| 20:56:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I told you to fix the .cfg file. |
| 20:56:26 | BigMac | and i see nothing wrong in the .cfg file |
| 20:56:43 | BigMac | i compared it to rockbox default and a working jblackglass |
| 20:56:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | How many lines does the official jblackglass cfg file have? |
| 20:56:53 | BigMac | they look exactly the same |
| 20:57:00 | BigMac | 1 |
| 20:57:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | The rockbox default .cfg file looks NOTHING like yours. |
| 20:57:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe a little bit. |
| 20:57:45 | BigMac | from wps: to .fnt yes it does |
| 20:58:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, was thinking wps |
| 20:58:08 | BigMac | all that is different is the statusbar and the giving credit thing |
| 20:58:10 | BigMac | ok |
| 20:58:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, how many lines does your CFG have? |
| 20:58:17 | BigMac | 1 |
| 20:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | What are you viewing it in? |
| 20:58:41 | BigMac | notepad |
| 20:58:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because rockbox default has 7 lines. |
| 20:59:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was right, it doesn't look at all like yours. |
| 20:59:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Finally got one to double check |
| 20:59:18 | BigMac | all my wps's cfg show up as one line... |
| 20:59:31 | BigMac | and they all work accept one |
| 20:59:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Your notepad is displaying wrong |
| 20:59:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | And because of that, you can't see the difference between what you posted, and what the working files look like |
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| 21:00:05 | BigMac | and how do i change it to display right? |
| 21:00:06 | dan_a | BigMac: Try using Wordpad instead of Notepad |
| 21:00:18 | BigMac | k will do dan |
| 21:01:27 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: The 5g (and Nano) both have a PP5021, but as dan_a said, Rockbox assumes it is a PP5020 - the code is the same. Details on the different ipods and their hardware is here: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 21:01:50 | BigMac | k im using wordpad now paul, now which wps do you want me to compare it to? |
| 21:02:24 | BigMac | i think i found it |
| 21:02:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | A working jblackglass |
| 21:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me guess... the wps: and font: bits were on the same line, like I said? |
| 21:02:42 | BigMac | wpsfont |
| 21:02:54 | BigMac | yah i couldn't see that in notepad |
| 21:03:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because your notepad is messed up, or misconfigured, apparently |
| 21:03:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | But interestingly enough, it was pretty evident in the lines you pasted in here too, if you'd read what you pasted. |
| 21:03:39 | dan_a | Paul_The_Nerd: I think it's probably to do with Unix and Windows line endings |
| 21:03:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | dan_a: I dunno. If he's running an older version of windows with an older notepad.exe maybe. |
| 21:04:03 | linuxstb_ | IIRC, notepad doesn't handle unix line-endings, but wordpad does. |
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| 21:04:32 | BigMac | its all gravy ill just use wordpad now and it works so thank you all very much. |
| 21:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: My notepad worked fine with displaying it. |
| 21:04:41 | BigMac | now its lunchtime |
| 21:04:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe mine is the abnormal one |
| 21:05:10 | * | linuxstb will stop pretending he knows anything about windows |
| 21:05:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | With that name it's not very believable anyway. |
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| 21:07:19 | dan_a | hmm.... am I right in thinking that you can only have one variable which is marked with ICONST_ATTR in an object file? |
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| 21:07:43 | linuxstb | dan_a: No. |
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| 21:08:02 | dionoea | what does the "stb" part mean ? set top box ? (i doubt ità |
| 21:08:11 | linuxstb | Yes... |
| 21:08:24 | sharpe | i remember! |
| 21:08:38 | dionoea | Yes "set top box" ?!? |
| 21:08:40 | * | linuxstb should really update his nick... |
| 21:09:03 | dan_a | linuxstb: Oh. I just got "causes a section type conflict" when I tried it... |
| 21:09:32 | linuxstb | ICONST_ATTR is for constant data. If they are variables, you use IBSS_ATTR, or if they are initialised variables, IDATA_ATTR (I think) |
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| 21:09:56 | dan_a | Sorry, both are constants |
| 21:10:07 | linuxstb | Then it _should_ work. |
| 21:10:12 | dan_a | But one is unsigned long, and the other unsigned short |
| 21:10:41 | linuxstb | What variable is it? |
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| 21:11:53 | dan_a | I changed crc_table in libmad to be ICONST_ATTR, and it told me that bmask caused a section type conflict |
| 21:12:13 | dan_a | (bmask is already marked as ICONST_ATTR) |
| 21:12:42 | dan_a | all in bits.c |
| 21:13:59 | * | Mmmm wonders when RaeNye is going to show up so he can show him his all new black on black iriver screen |
| 21:14:08 | dionoea | :D |
| 21:14:33 | linuxstb | dan_a: It works if you remove the "const" from crc_table, but I'm not sure why. |
| 21:15:07 | * | dan_a boggles |
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| 21:16:06 | dan_a | Oh, I hadn't noticed that bmask wasn't a const! |
| 21:16:10 | sharpe | maybe... gcc just doesn't like constant tables... :) |
| 21:18:51 | dan_a | It works if you make bmask a const too. That explains things |
| 21:19:31 | dan_a | (I don't know if it's sensible to try moving the CRC funtion into IRAM, but there's only one way to find out!) |
| 21:20:01 | sharpe | ooh ohh! i remember i wrote a crc function that didn't use tables. |
| 21:20:09 | dionoea | is IRAM faster/slower/something else than "normal" ram ? |
| 21:20:21 | linuxstb | Also, you should look at <build-dir>/apps/codecs/mpa.map to see how much IRAM is used currently, and what proportion of code to data. |
| 21:21:00 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if that CRC function will even be used - IIRC, CRCs are optional in MPEG frames, and (hopefully) Rockbox doesn't check them anyway. |
| 21:21:40 | jsMikeS | Is the rockbox LCD contrast range always 0-63 or is it different for each port? |
| 21:22:08 | linuxstb | I think it will vary depending on the hardware. |
| 21:23:05 | jsMikeS | linuxstb: Of course, but I don't know if the user is always presented with the same in the UI. |
| 21:23:20 | linuxstb | dan_a: Did you get my PM? |
| 21:24:07 | dan_a | linuxstb: Sorry, I hadn't noticed it. Just replied |
| 21:24:28 | linuxstb | np |
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| 21:45:01 | dan_a | linuxstb: What am I looking for in the map file? What sort of ratio of code:data is best? |
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| 21:47:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: I don't know... On the 4g, putting code in IRAM doesn't seem to make much difference to the speed. But it could be different on the 3g. But mainly the 3g will let you know how much IRAM is still unused - codecs have 48KB in total. |
| 21:47:27 | linuxstb | "the map file will let you know"... |
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| 21:49:23 | dan_a | Ah, thank you |
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| 21:51:25 | linuxstb | As I think I've said before, most of the optimisations (including deciding how to use IRAM) has been for the Coldfire. I also think it's mostly just trial and error. |
| 21:52:20 | dan_a | Oh, I assumed that proper programmers did profiling and that! |
| 21:52:56 | linuxstb | hehe. Maybe a little of that happened... |
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| 21:56:21 | bluebrother | linuxstb, I have an extension of the Makefile for the manual mostly ready. Do you think it's good to distinguish with a new variable? |
| 21:56:47 | bluebrother | now there is EXTRAHTOPTS. When set to 1 this produces a single file manual. |
| 21:57:01 | bluebrother | or would it be better to have a completely new make target? |
| 21:57:46 | linuxstb | I would probably go for a new target - I think it's clearer. |
| 21:58:07 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure exactly what you've done... |
| 21:58:41 | bluebrother | with the current change you can build a single file manual with "EXTRAHTOPTS=1 make manual-html" |
| 21:59:26 | bluebrother | I like this better because it also works for making the html zip. Otherwise I need to introduce 2 new targets which seems a bit confusing to me. |
| 21:59:59 | linuxstb | Do you need a zipped version of the single html file? You can just zip it externally... |
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| 22:00:16 | linuxstb | Sorry, the images... |
| 22:00:29 | bluebrother | hehe. Just wanted to mention them ;-) |
| 22:02:35 | bluebrother | linuxstb, diff here: http://pastebin.ca/98761 |
| 22:03:51 | linuxstb | Why not rename "EXTRAHTOPTS" to something simpler like "SINGLEHTML" |
| 22:04:50 | linuxstb | (as it needs to by typed by the user) |
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| 22:06:42 | bluebrother | the intention was to allow a bit more ... if someone wants to have it broken even more up you could set it to 3 |
| 22:07:36 | linuxstb | Then maybe something like SPLITHTML |
| 22:07:51 | linuxstb | Where 1 is the single page, 2 is the current value, 3 is more, etc etc. |
| 22:08:18 | bluebrother | hmm. I'm currently just passing it as argument to htlatex, but that's a point. |
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| 22:16:24 | freqmod | Does anybody know if the bmp loading code might not work on 64 bit simulators (i don't manage to load any graphical wps's)? |
| 22:16:46 | linuxstb | Are you using the existing code, or the patch for scaling bmps? |
| 22:17:14 | * | freqmod is checking |
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| 22:18:01 | linuxstb | But in either case, I know there are a few people with amd64 systems here, and I can't recall anyone complaining about the bmp loading - but maybe they haven't tried it. |
| 22:18:54 | freqmod | I was using the patch for scaling bmp's but the build from the unpatched source tree didn't work either |
| 22:19:28 | * | freqmod has an extra unpatched source tree for making patches to post in the tracker (speex & piezo code) |
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| 22:22:17 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 22:23:15 | Massa | Is somebody online with a bit deeper knowlege in possibilites of ".lang " files? |
| 22:23:43 | freqmod | depends on what deeper knowlege is... |
| 22:24:46 | Massa | Well, it's possible to use target dependend strings like h300: "press NAVI for ..." |
| 22:25:21 | Massa | Is it also possible to group such targets somehow? Like ipod4g,ipodcolor,ipodmini: "use MENU...." |
| 22:25:30 | Lear | Not yet, I think... |
| 22:25:42 | * | lowlight curses the text viewer |
| 22:25:44 | Massa | So I have to add a line for eacht target? |
| 22:25:46 | Lear | genlang has some support for it though. |
| 22:26:09 | Lear | dunno, my perl skills aren't good enough for that. :) |
| 22:26:17 | Massa | what does "some support" mean? |
| 22:27:00 | Massa | I also have no deeper perl skills - just basics ;) |
| 22:27:19 | Lear | Well, there's a target argument (-t), and it is used for something. Don't know what exactly though. |
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| 22:28:16 | Lear | It should pick the right stuff from the .lang file though. If the rest of the build system is up for it is another question. Simple to test with a simulator or two though... |
| 22:29:32 | Massa | You mean genlang will not always produce errors when I do mistakes in a .lang file? |
| 22:29:45 | Lear | Huh? |
| 22:29:59 | Lear | Don't follow you there... |
| 22:30:30 | Massa | When I write ipod4g,ipodcolor,ipodmini: "some text specific to ipods" |
| 22:30:50 | Massa | and it's not valid it should complain about... |
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| 22:32:13 | Lear | It will complain for the strings specific for the target it is generating for. |
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| 22:33:51 | Massa | Oh, so it may happen that it never complains because "ipod4g,ipodcolor,ipodmini" is no valid target for it and therefore never used? |
| 22:35:04 | Lear | Could be, yes. But if you try it in a simulator, you'll see if the right string is used or not. |
| 22:35:22 | Massa | O.K. - I'll try ;) |
| 22:35:41 | Massa | Or I just ask Daniel - he should know ;) |
| 22:35:54 | Lear | Yep. |
| 22:38:57 | bluebrother | what's the file extension for rockbox.<device> on x5? rockbox.iaudio? |
| 22:39:57 | darth_mall | yessir |
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| 22:40:54 | Lear | Darn, seems like high-bitrate floor0 files require a larger malloc buffer... :( |
| 22:41:07 | Lear | Removing a bunch of temporary mallocs didn't help... |
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| 22:42:23 | linuxstb | Are you talking vorbis? |
| 22:44:01 | Lear | Yep. |
| 22:44:43 | Lear | Maybe a real malloc could help. Not sure though, fragmentation could prevent that... |
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| 22:45:14 | nls | bluebrother, Darn, seems like high-bitrate floor0 files require a larger malloc buffer... :( |
| 22:45:14 | nls | [22:41] <Lear> Removing a bunch of temporary mallocs didn't help... |
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| 22:45:14 | nls | [22:42] <linuxstb> Are you talking vorbis? |
| 22:45:14 | nls | [22:44] <Lear> Yep. |
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| 22:45:15 | nls | [22:44] <Lear> Maybe a real malloc could help. Not sure though, fragmentation could prevent that... |
| 22:45:23 | nls | oops :) |
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| 22:45:40 | bluebrother | hi nls ;-) |
| 22:45:44 | nls | hi |
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| 22:46:25 | nls | \edef\UseOption{\UseOption,archos} in x5 platform file is wrong, right? |
| 22:46:32 | nls | :) |
| 22:46:39 | bluebrother | definitely. |
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| 22:47:25 | bluebrother | I guess this should read "iaudio" ;-) |
| 22:48:16 | nls | Ok I'll fix it, I have been working a little on the display options section an noticed that it is a description within description while system options is section - subsection... |
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| 22:50:20 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if we should go with the subsection or with the description on that. |
| 22:50:49 | nls | I like subsection better but it doesn't matter much |
| 22:50:59 | bluebrother | but I'm in favor of writing items as \item[Foo.] instead of \item[Foo:] for descriptions. |
| 22:51:30 | bluebrother | would be good to discuss this with some more manual people, but it seems most are on vacation. |
| 22:51:37 | nls | I think I'll leave it as it is for now just add missing stuff and correct opts. |
| 22:51:47 | bluebrother | sounds good. |
| 22:52:30 | nls | amiconn should be happy that backlight stuff will be out of the ondio manuals :-) |
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| 22:54:23 | bluebrother | when I'll have more time (still waiting for it) I need to look up the tracker tasks on the manual. |
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| 23:04:22 | Lear | Hm.. About 600 kB of malloc buffer is needed for this file... |
| 23:09:19 | bluebrother | nice. The last settings reset resets the LCD contrast to some unusable value on my h120 :( |
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| 23:10:00 | Lear | It did change a function call (to get the default value) to a define for something LCD-related (backlight?)... |
| 23:10:35 | Lear | Yep, it was the default contrast. Didn't like the look of that, but... |
| 23:12:11 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:12:11 | * | freqmod has made a fix for bmp.c bitmap loading on 64 bit simulated targets (which requires stdint.h (a standard unix header file)), and a 32 bits stdint.h for real targets. |
| 23:12:56 | bluebrother | I just looked into it ... it's set to 38 on all targets except iaudio and charcell devices. |
| 23:13:09 | Lear | LCD contrast is highly target dependant, so that part of the change was wrong. |
| 23:13:14 | bluebrother | used to be 28 on h120 ... 38 is way to dark. |
| 23:15:12 | Bagder | two more committers |
| 23:15:21 | crwl` | argh |
| 23:15:23 | bluebrother | nice |
| 23:15:45 | bluebrother | Bagder, now that the html manual is build daily I noticed that it's not mentioned on the daily builds page |
| 23:16:00 | Bagder | right |
| 23:16:10 | bluebrother | as that page has the pdf manuals wouldn't it be good to at least point to the manuals page from there too? |
| 23:16:13 | Bagder | it got a bit crowded |
| 23:16:41 | bluebrother | but it's great to have them online :) |
| 23:16:43 | TucknDar | is the manual actually being updated daily or daily-ish? |
| 23:16:55 | Bagder | TucknDar: yes |
| 23:17:03 | bluebrother | daily-ish? |
| 23:17:42 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand the difference |
| 23:17:48 | TucknDar | Bagder: cool! |
| 23:18:01 | TucknDar | bluebrother, by daily-ish I meant "almost daily" |
| 23:18:14 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 23:18:37 | TucknDar | Bagder, is there some sort of changes-list for the manual? |
| 23:18:55 | Bagder | just the ordinary cvs commit log |
| 23:19:34 | linuxstb | Lear: I assume that's not a common kind of vorbis file? |
| 23:19:48 | TucknDar | k, thanks |
| 23:20:07 | Lear | linuxstb: not very, created by an old encoder, and fairly high bitrate. |
| 23:21:02 | linuxstb | Potentially, if we implemented separate codec loaders, could than memory be allocated in the audio buffer? i.e. is it known in advance? |
| 23:22:47 | Lear | Not easily, at least. And you can't really change the audio buffer size on the fly without a restart of the playback engine... |
| 23:23:22 | Lear | You probably need to decode parts (or much) of the codebooks to know. |
| 23:23:50 | linuxstb | OK. Does Rockbox fail cleanly with that file? |
| 23:24:24 | Lear | Sort of, currently it just sounds really bad... :) On iRivers at least; I get a division by zero in the simulator. |
| 23:26:15 | linuxstb | On a different subject, did you do any of the vorbis optimisations? |
| 23:26:18 | obo | freqmod: ping? |
| 23:27:03 | freqmod | pong |
| 23:27:16 | Lear | linuxstb: a few of my own, and committed some from Brandon. Why? |
| 23:27:47 | linuxstb | I'm curious if you ever tested -O compared to -O2 when compiling. |
| 23:27:56 | obo | freqmod: just been playing with the piezo mod |
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| 23:28:20 | freqmod | yes |
| 23:28:21 | linuxstb | Looking at the gcc manpage, I'm confused why -O2 is slower than -O on ipods (for libmad), and was wondering if you'd tested on Coldfire. |
| 23:28:53 | * | freqmod wonders what obo thinks (about it) |
| 23:29:12 | obo | udelay is blocking isn't it? if it is set to a high time value it seems to slow everything down while scrolling |
| 23:29:21 | freqmod | yes i think so |
| 23:29:44 | linuxstb | Yes, it is. udelay is BAD. |
| 23:29:46 | freqmod | it seems to be a loop wating for the usec timer to be big enough |
| 23:29:50 | obo | oh, and there is some cvs conflict garbage in the patch... apps/recorder/keyboard.c |
| 23:30:02 | obo | yup, which just munches cpu cycles til it's ready |
| 23:30:04 | freqmod | ahh, forgot to clean it up properly.. |
| 23:30:15 | Lear | I think I played around with -O and -O2 a bit, but without noticing any real change. Could've been I did that back when I changed in the place were it didn't do anything (bad makefile rules)... :/ |
| 23:31:11 | freqmod | does anybody know about a(nother) sleep function that sleeps short enough (i.e. millisecounds) |
| 23:31:29 | obo | AFAIK there isn't one... |
| 23:31:51 | freqmod | then usec is the only way until another is implemented :( |
| 23:32:28 | freqmod | s/usec/udelay/ |
| 23:32:47 | linuxstb | You could use the user-timer - I think you can set that in milliseconds. |
| 23:33:06 | freqmod | would that work for 2 and 4 millisecounds? |
| 23:33:49 | linuxstb | I believe so. But I think it's also used for backlight fading on targets where that's implemented. I seem to recall preglow talking about using that timer when he started the piezo work. |
| 23:34:05 | obo | linuxstb: that's what we're looking at (piezo) |
| 23:34:36 | * | freqmod tries to find the backlight fading code |
| 23:35:09 | linuxstb | So do you just turn the piezo on, wait 2 (or 4) milliseconds, then turn it off? |
| 23:35:17 | obo | pretty much |
| 23:35:19 | freqmod | yes |
| 23:35:22 | obo | FS: 5111 |
| 23:36:20 | linuxstb | Then I think a user timer would work - you just turn the piezo on, and then set a one-shot user timer to turn it off after a set duration. But I'm not sure of the details... |
| 23:37:07 | obo | would that be blocking? |
| 23:37:07 | * | freqmod tries to implement it now |
| 23:37:42 | linuxstb | obo: No. The "beep" function would return immediately. |
| 23:37:56 | obo | ah, k |
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| 23:41:11 | freqmod | it seems like there is no such thing as a one shot timer :S, have to implement it as a regular timer |
| 23:42:26 | linuxstb | Or implement one-shot timers :) |
| 23:42:51 | freqmod | yes of course, but then I have to understand timer.c |
| 23:42:58 | Reneder | is it hard to install rockbox on ipod 5g ? i am getting mine tomorrow and i would like to install |
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| 23:43:17 | freqmod | Render: which os? |
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| 23:44:45 | linuxstb | Reneder: Many, many people have done it.... |
| 23:44:48 | Lear | Gah, no contrast fix from me today at least. Requires changes to files specific to at least three different targets I don't have (don't even have compilers for some of them at the moment).... |
| 23:46:00 | Reneder | windows os |
| 23:46:14 | Reneder | 2003 server to be exect |
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| 23:46:42 | freqmod | Look, and judge for yourself: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 23:47:27 | linuxstb | There's also an unofficial installer written by (I think) one the ipodwizard developers - it's hosted in the ipodwizard forums. |
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| 23:49:16 | linuxstb | freqmod: BTW, have you done anything more to scramble.c? |
| 23:49:18 | TucknDar | just follow the instructions, and Rockbox-installation will be easy |
| 23:49:54 | barrywardell | Bagder: any more thoughts on how to build a mi4 from a rockbox bootloader? |
| 23:50:05 | freqmod | linuxstb: no, i want a retailos that works (which requires mkmf), btw ipodloader2 works when loading from file (when the retailos is present) |
| 23:50:21 | Reneder | ok thanks alot |
| 23:50:29 | Bagder | barrywardell: yeps... 1) new mi4code version adds a 'build' command |
| 23:50:34 | linuxstb | mkmf? |
| 23:50:49 | freqmod | make_fw |
| 23:50:55 | Bagder | and 2) for the mi4 Rockbox version we need to make sure the bootloader builds with an exception table first |
| 23:51:24 | * | freqmod don't allways remember all program names (tab completion is my friend) |
| 23:51:40 | linuxstb | Why do you need an exception table? The first thing the ipod bootloader does is disable interrupts... |
| 23:52:02 | Bagder | linuxstb: only because the mi4 files have them |
| 23:52:20 | Bagder | it would feel a bit safer to start with |
| 23:52:23 | linuxstb | The ipod firmware has one as well, but our bootloader doesn't. |
| 23:52:27 | Bagder | ah ok |
| 23:52:32 | Bagder | perhaps we could just try without |
| 23:52:41 | Bagder | then barrywardell the answer is just the 1) |
| 23:52:43 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:52:45 | Bagder | go go go |
| 23:52:57 | barrywardell | so, build the ipod firmware |
| 23:52:57 | * | Bagder adds docs for 'build' just now |
| 23:53:08 | barrywardell | then use mi4code's build |
| 23:53:09 | linuxstb | I'm guessing that the firmware is loaded to 0x1000000, and then the firmware itself remaps DRAM to 0x00000000. So the exception vectors aren't needed until after that remapping - which doesn't happen in the bootloader anyway. |
| 23:53:19 | barrywardell | and fingers crossed? |
| 23:53:25 | Bagder | barrywardell: yepso |
| 23:53:42 | Bagder | oh, and sign it of course |
| 23:53:50 | barrywardell | oh yeah |
| 23:53:55 | Bagder | not sure what build makes, perhaps it does that already |
| 23:54:12 | barrywardell | i'm not too sure what an exception table is |
| 23:54:20 | barrywardell | been trying to read up on it |
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| 23:54:21 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I wouldn't just run an unmodified ipod bootloader - I'ld comment out the ipod-specific stuff in bootloader/ipod.c |
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| 23:54:33 | linuxstb | i.e. the lcd code and button code. |
| 23:54:40 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah, i've done that already |
| 23:55:04 | linuxstb | What does the bootloader do? You could try to make it create a file on the disk. |
| 23:55:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: (late comment at -O vs. -O2) I'm not really surprised that -O is faster than -O2 at least for some code. |
| 23:55:26 | linuxstb | I've noticed that all the codecs are using -O2... |
| 23:55:35 | linuxstb | ALAC is using -O3. |
| 23:55:45 | amiconn | (1) I've seen some weird 'optimisations' done by gcc |
| 23:56:15 | amiconn | (2) -O2 (and -O3) produce larger code than -O, which is bad whenever memory bandwidth is a bottleneck |
| 23:56:43 | amiconn | (and since the RAM is 16bit, I guess memory bandwidth is a bottleneck) |
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| 23:56:53 | linuxstb | Yes, makes sense. |
| 23:56:56 | amiconn | Maybe -Os would be better |
| 23:57:11 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah, i have commented out the lcd and button stuff in bootloader/ipod.c and added two lines, opening a file then closing it again. hopefully that will make it create the file so i know it worked |
| 23:57:19 | dan_a | -Os seemed to skip more to me (for libmad) |
| 23:57:31 | amiconn | Afaiu, -Os equals -O2 but without the code size increasing opts |
| 23:57:55 | amiconn | dan_a: Ok, it was just a thought |
| 23:57:59 | linuxstb | dan_a: So -O is fastest, then -O2, then -Os ? |
| 23:58:40 | dan_a | I think -Os was better than -O2 by a little bit, but I've got no figures to back that up |
| 23:58:51 | k8to | amiconn: i have had Os produce smaller code then O in some circumstances |
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