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| 00:02:34 | barrywardell | i'm trying that gpio stuff you suggested linuxstb but I'm having trouble |
| 00:03:23 | barrywardell | trying to write to a file using fprintf but the compiler complains about an undefined reference to `fprintf' |
| 00:04:04 | linuxstb | There isn't fprintf :) |
| 00:04:16 | linuxstb | You need to use snprintf() and then write() |
| 00:04:29 | barrywardell | ah, that would explain it so. thanks |
| 00:07:38 | Bagder | there's an fdprintf |
| 00:09:32 | linuxstb | There is? |
| 00:09:36 | barrywardell | and that works the same as fprintf? |
| 00:09:50 | Bagder | barrywardell: yes, but with a file descriptor and not a FILE * |
| 00:09:59 | linuxstb | Bagder: Have you done any disassembly of the bootloader yet? |
| 00:10:03 | linuxstb | (for the Sansa) |
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| 00:10:10 | Bagder | only very minor |
| 00:10:57 | Bagder | the task feels quite daunting so I'm hesitating |
| 00:11:18 | linuxstb | I'm just looking at the very start of it now - the code starting at 0x5c |
| 00:11:54 | barrywardell | now i'm getting warning: implicit declaration of function 'fdprintf' |
| 00:12:08 | barrywardell | do I need an extra #include? |
| 00:12:20 | Bagder | yes, sprintf.h |
| 00:13:01 | Bagder | linuxstb: you mean the BL* file? |
| 00:13:04 | linuxstb | It writes some values to what IPL think is the cache controller (registers starting 0x6000C000 onwards), and then branches to address 0x106172a0 - which is beyond the end of the bootloader... |
| 00:13:06 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 00:13:28 | linuxstb | BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 00:14:06 | Bagder | I've started at the mi4 code |
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| 00:19:02 | linuxstb | Ah, the code at 0x172a0 seems to continue the initialisation - it's doing the COP/Main CPU check in the same way the ipods do. |
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| 00:19:32 | Bagder | yes I noticed that check too |
| 00:19:42 | linuxstb | It's done in the .mi4 as well? |
| 00:19:46 | Bagder | yes |
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| 00:21:29 | Bagder | I'm not sure the BL is a true bootloader |
| 00:21:44 | Bagder | but might be used mostly for the actual upgrade procedure |
| 00:22:44 | linuxstb | It doesn't load the .mi4 file? |
| 00:23:12 | Bagder | well yes for the upgrade but after that, I'm not sure there are traces of that left |
| 00:23:35 | linuxstb | So the mi4 is flashed? |
| 00:23:38 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:23:48 | linuxstb | Ah... |
| 00:24:22 | linuxstb | That would probably explain barrywardell's trouble when trying to load it from disk and run it... |
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| 00:24:29 | linuxstb | (on the H10) |
| 00:25:42 | barrywardell | i'm not too sure if that case |
| 00:25:58 | barrywardell | it definitely still runs the code in the mi4 file on disk with the h10 |
| 00:26:04 | Bagder | ok |
| 00:26:15 | Bagder | so I need to check this |
| 00:26:36 | Bagder | perhaps I've just drawn some quick wrong conclusions |
| 00:28:15 | linuxstb | My guess (based on what the ipods do) is that the BL_ image is flashed, and that loads the .mi4 from disk each time you boot. |
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| 00:32:12 | Bagder | but this player removes the mi4 file on upgrade |
| 00:32:31 | barrywardell | My interpretation of the h10 at least is that on firmware upgrade 3 files are copied to the hdd. BL*.hex to /, two mi4 files to /System. The system reboots and writes BL_ to flash. it then reboots again and loads the mi4 |
| 00:32:42 | * | Bagder tests more |
| 00:32:49 | barrywardell | Bagder: that sounds different |
| 00:33:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: So presumably the two .mi4 files stay in /System forever? |
| 00:35:12 | Bagder | "To me it looks like the H10_20GC.mi4 is some sort of 'upgrade' software, which will descramble the BL_H10_20GC.hex and burn it to the flash. Then it will boot the H10_20GC_image.mi4" |
| 00:35:21 | Bagder | (MrH said) |
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| 00:36:05 | barrywardell | only one of them stays. it looks like one is an older version of the firmware for some reason.eg. H10_20GC.mi4 has version 2.50 in header. H10_20GC_image.mi4 has version 2.51 in header |
| 00:36:30 | barrywardell | the _image one is the one that stays |
| 00:37:07 | barrywardell | Bagder: MrH makes a lot of sense |
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| 00:37:36 | ttyfscker | i think i might have found a bug with the latest "stable" in rockbox nano |
| 00:37:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell: So to test a bootloader, you call it H10_20GC_image.mi4 and copy it to your /System directory? |
| 00:38:03 | Bagder | barrywardell: he's indeed a useful fellow |
| 00:38:09 | ttyfscker | i hadn't used my ipod in about a week or so. I shut it down properly and everything with the holding Play button. This morning when i booted it up |
| 00:38:21 | ttyfscker | all of my directories are on there, but their contents are all gone |
| 00:38:49 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I never change the BL bootloader. When I run a test, i just build a mi4 file, call it H10_20GC.mi4 and copy it to /System |
| 00:39:08 | barrywardell | i build the mi4 file from bootloader.bin |
| 00:39:14 | Bagder | linuxstb: we don't need to touch the bootloader on these |
| 00:39:17 | barrywardell | from rockbox |
| 00:39:49 | linuxstb | ttyfscker: Try holding down the MENU button until the "quick menu" comes up, what does the "Show Files" option say? |
| 00:40:03 | ttyfscker | hang on lemme check |
| 00:40:36 | linuxstb | Bagder, barrywardell: When I say "bootloader", I mean barrywardell tests running a stripped-down ipod bootloader. |
| 00:40:58 | Bagder | uh, right |
| 00:41:07 | ttyfscker | it shows all of my folders, but they have nothing in them |
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| 00:42:23 | barrywardell | linuxstb: in that case, then yes. only the file is called H10_20GC.mi4 |
| 00:43:25 | ttyfscker | the funny thing is when i mount the ipod to /media/ipod, i can cd into it, and see all of my mp3s |
| 00:43:32 | ttyfscker | they just arent showing on the rockbox |
| 00:43:40 | ttyfscker | they were working fine before |
| 00:45:53 | markun | ttyfscker: all the folders show up as empty? |
| 00:46:15 | ttyfscker | hrm |
| 00:46:30 | ttyfscker | i think i fixed it.. it was that Show Files option |
| 00:46:36 | ttyfscker | i was using the keys wrong when picking that |
| 00:46:43 | ttyfscker | sorry guys |
| 00:46:47 | linuxstb | np |
| 00:46:51 | ttyfscker | thanks linuxstb |
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| 00:53:59 | linuxstb | Bagder: Am I right in thinking that a "bx" to address 0x106048f3 would switch to thumb mode? |
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| 00:54:58 | Bagder | yes I believe so |
| 00:55:16 | linuxstb | In which case, the Sansa BL_ file is using thumb. |
| 00:56:21 | Bagder | I'm off to bed, good night! |
| 00:56:28 | Mikachu | good night |
| 00:56:39 | linuxstb | goodnight. |
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| 01:02:26 | barrywardell | goodnight Bagder. thanks for the help |
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| 01:18:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Any luck with the gpio stuff? |
| 01:19:17 | barrywardell | yeah, just getting it going now |
| 01:19:24 | barrywardell | writing it out to a file |
| 01:19:52 | barrywardell | do you know what fsync() does. it seems to need that and a udelay() for stuff to be written to the file |
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| 01:24:06 | linuxstb | I think Rockbox caches one sector, so fsync will write that sector. But closing the file should do the same... |
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| 01:26:36 | barrywardell | i did a close(fd) but it doesn't seem to work with just that. i have it working now anyway and am starting to work out the buttons |
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| 01:26:58 | barrywardell | gpio_a seems to be related to which button is pressed |
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| 01:27:31 | barrywardell | linuxstb: is that the same as with the ipod? |
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| 01:29:30 | enzyme | i got a question about the ipods |
| 01:29:55 | scorche | then ask it =) |
| 01:31:16 | enzyme | well at work i got this stereo that can play music from a usb port and i was woundering is there any way of playing mp3 off of my ipod in a disk mode that doesnt use the rockbox or ipod firmware |
| 01:32:20 | scorche | not that i know of...unless someone else wants to chime in |
| 01:32:43 | antitheist | im presuming this stereo plugs into a pc with all necessary drivers? those types of stereos generaly require quite a bit of software |
| 01:32:47 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Nice. No, the ipods don't use GPIO for the buttons (only the hold switch). |
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| 01:33:29 | scorche | antitheist: it sounds like he has a stereo that has a USB port on it |
| 01:33:38 | scorche | not one that runs off the computer |
| 01:33:51 | antitheist | yeah but i never used it |
| 01:33:52 | enzyme | scorche you hit the nail |
| 01:34:37 | JdG|uni | why the heck is winxp telling me unrecognised device when i plug my h300 in? |
| 01:35:38 | scorche | enzyme: like i said...i do not know of a way that will allow you to do that...however, does the stereo have composite inputs, an aux input, or anything of the sort? |
| 01:35:52 | enzyme | nope |
| 01:36:10 | linuxstb | So what's the USB port designed for? What does it expect to be plugged into it? |
| 01:36:13 | enzyme | also is there a way of deleting the ipod firmware |
| 01:36:53 | enzyme | the usb port plays music from usb keys card |
| 01:36:54 | antitheist | format it |
| 01:36:58 | scorche | there is...why do you want to?....it is unecessary trouble in most cases |
| 01:37:14 | linuxstb | enzyme: Then it may work - ipods act as standard UMS hard drives. |
| 01:37:18 | enzyme | i dont use the apple firmware |
| 01:37:30 | scorche | antitheist: no... |
| 01:37:47 | enzyme | ok how do i get it to act as a standered ums drive |
| 01:37:50 | linuxstb | enzyme: And yes, you can install Rockbox without the Apple firmware if you want to. But it's not documented anywhere. |
| 01:37:55 | linuxstb | enzyme: Just plug it in... |
| 01:38:16 | scorche | enzyme: honestly, it is better to just ignore it than remove it |
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| 01:38:43 | scorche | enzyme: oh...have you not tried simply plugging it in yet? |
| 01:38:54 | linuxstb | When you plug it into a normal computer, it just appears as a UMS hard drive to the computer. So it should be the same with your Stereo - assuming your stereo supports UMS hard drives. |
| 01:39:16 | * | scorche assumes too much....as usual |
| 01:39:21 | enzyme | yeah i have but the stereo doesnt reconize it, there was one time i got music to play but i couldnt change it |
| 01:39:53 | enzyme | change songs |
| 01:40:20 | linuxstb | What stereo is it/ |
| 01:40:21 | linuxstb | ? |
| 01:40:35 | enzyme | i dunno |
| 01:40:40 | enzyme | find out toommorow |
| 01:42:37 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do all the buttons appear to be connected to gpio_a ? |
| 01:42:56 | barrywardell | most of them are |
| 01:43:03 | barrywardell | except the scroller |
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| 02:06:16 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: u still there? |
| 02:06:33 | barrywardell_ | figured out some of the button stuff |
| 02:07:03 | barrywardell_ | gpio_a controls the normal buttons |
| 02:07:42 | linuxstb | Still here. |
| 02:08:02 | linuxstb | So all you need now is an LCD driver... |
| 02:08:15 | barrywardell_ | haven't figured out the scroller yet though |
| 02:08:40 | linuxstb | That's probably some other kind of interface - I don't think that will be as easy. |
| 02:08:41 | barrywardell_ | it changes gpio_c and gpio_d, but is only an on/off thing |
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| 02:09:44 | barrywardell_ | how does ipod work? where can i look for the code? |
| 02:09:53 | linuxstb | It's in firmware/drivers/button.c |
| 02:10:40 | linuxstb | You should create a wiki page and document all these hardware findings... |
| 02:11:01 | linuxstb | Can you detect anything else? USB, charging, headphones? |
| 02:11:04 | barrywardell_ | i plan to |
| 02:11:10 | barrywardell_ | just have to get around to it |
| 02:11:23 | barrywardell_ | i'll check those next. haven't looked into it yet |
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| 02:12:10 | linuxstb | But at least you already have a simple way of deciding which firmware to boot. |
| 02:12:51 | barrywardell_ | yes. good progress. i have a feeling the lcd is going to be much more difficult though |
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| 02:15:42 | linuxstb | BTW, I've just been looking a little at the BL_H10_20GC file, and it seems that gpio_f is used for output - the first thing the bootloader does is enable GPIO_F for output, and write the value 1 to it. |
| 02:16:14 | linuxstb | It then puts the COP to sleep, and then switches into Thumb mode to run some thumb code. That's as far as I got... |
| 02:16:25 | linuxstb | Does the bootloader use the LCD? |
| 02:16:40 | barrywardell_ | yes, it displays a splash screen |
| 02:16:52 | linuxstb | That could be a good way to work out the LCD then. |
| 02:17:18 | linuxstb | Is the screen 220x176? |
| 02:17:31 | barrywardell_ | nope, 160x128 |
| 02:17:37 | barrywardell_ | the specs in the wiki are wrong |
| 02:19:49 | barrywardell_ | gpio_f is set to e6 once the system starts up |
| 02:22:10 | linuxstb | Sorry, pin 0 (if you number them 0-7) is the only one enabled for output. So I don't know what the others are. |
| 02:23:38 | barrywardell_ | would it be possible to set it to 0 to see if the screen turns off. how do i achieve that in the code? |
| 02:26:07 | linuxstb | GPIOF_OUTPUT_VAL = 0; But that is the very first thing the bootloader does, so it's unlikely to be LCD related that soon. |
| 02:27:40 | barrywardell_ | would it do any harm to the player to try it? |
| 02:28:00 | linuxstb | I don't know :) |
| 02:29:39 | barrywardell_ | i was feeling daring, so I tried it |
| 02:29:45 | barrywardell_ | it just shut the system off |
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| 02:34:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: If the original firmware refuses to load from disk, you could try appending it to the end of your bootloader - so your new .mi4 file will contain both your code and the original firmware. Then in your bootloader (before you do any hardware initialisation at all), check for a keypress. If the key is pressed, then you can just memmove the original firmware to the start of DRAM (0x10000000) and pass execution to it - without |
| 02:34:53 | linuxstb | ever accessing any hardware. |
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| 02:37:59 | barrywardell_ | i think i understand. sounds like a good idea to try so i'll give it a shot |
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| 02:44:22 | linuxstb | I'm just assuming the reason it isn't working is because it doesn't like the state of the hardware the Rockbox bootloader leaves it in. But maybe there's another reason. |
| 02:44:30 | linuxstb | But time for bed. Goodnight. |
| 02:45:13 | barrywardell_ | goodnight. thanks for all the help. it has made the difference between being totally in the dark and making some good progress |
| 02:46:14 | BigMac | jd you here |
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| 04:02:51 | BigMac | hey linux you here |
| 04:06:19 | Mikachu | BigMac: you will probably have better luck talking to people if you use their full nicks |
| 04:07:09 | BigMac | linuxstb |
| 04:07:13 | BigMac | you still here |
| 04:07:29 | BigMac | ah he went to bed nvm |
| 04:07:54 | BigMac | would anyone else car to explain why anyone would want a mp4 metaparser |
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| 04:11:06 | merbanan | BigMac: to get the metadata ? |
| 04:11:20 | BigMac | what is metadata |
| 04:11:47 | merbanan | like the id3 tag |
| 04:12:06 | merbanan | general info |
| 04:12:17 | BigMac | eh i dont get it but thats ok |
| 04:12:32 | BigMac | isnt mp4 a video type...which rockbox cant play |
| 04:12:51 | merbanan | no mp4 is a container |
| 04:13:10 | merbanan | that can contain video codecs etc |
| 04:13:30 | BigMac | i wish there was a p2p share that had mostly ogg/flac |
| 04:13:43 | BigMac | limewire has near zero |
| 04:14:45 | scorche | this isnt the channel to help with that =) |
| 04:14:53 | Mikachu | oink |
| 04:15:34 | BigMac | i didnt ask for help i was just talking:-) |
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| 04:26:00 | Harry | yo |
| 04:26:07 | Harry | i have a request |
| 04:26:13 | Harry | i need soemone to maeka wps file for my theme |
| 04:26:18 | Harry | for a ipod video |
| 04:26:22 | Harry | ill show how it looks |
| 04:26:51 | midkay | why can't you? |
| 04:27:00 | Harry | lol |
| 04:27:10 | Harry | i anit that good |
| 04:27:18 | Harry | ive spent so much time makeign the theme |
| 04:27:26 | Harry | midkay u wanna see it |
| 04:28:06 | Harry | http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/446/wpsjg2.png thats it soo far |
| 04:28:06 | midkay | not in particular, but i'd like to see you make a WPS instead of asking someone else :) |
| 04:28:15 | Harry | :( |
| 04:28:20 | midkay | that's cool. now you just need a WPS, so make one. :) |
| 04:28:33 | Harry | lol |
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| 04:28:40 | Harry | i wish soem dev made a visualar patch |
| 04:28:43 | Harry | so mine would work |
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| 04:28:45 | Harry | lol |
| 04:29:20 | Harry | my theme inst done yet |
| 04:29:25 | Harry | but thats how it look so far |
| 04:29:53 | midkay | so finish it, then do the WPS.. |
| 04:31:00 | Harry | stop bloody telling me to do the wps |
| 04:31:22 | midkay | calm down, and either do it yourself or don't post it up as "your theme" if you nag everyone else to do it for you. |
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| 05:41:28 | biffhero | feature freeze lifted! woo hoo! |
| 05:50:08 | grimman | Old "news". |
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| 05:50:18 | grimman | But good nevertheless. =) |
| 05:50:18 | Harry | hey |
| 05:51:01 | Harry | whos a dev in here |
| 05:51:42 | Harry | or whats rockbox dev channel |
| 05:51:59 | Harry | anyone? |
| 05:52:19 | BigMac | im a dev |
| 05:52:26 | grimman | Perhaps you can just ask whatever question you came here to ask and hope that someone with sufficient knowledge answers you. ;) |
| 05:52:26 | BigMac | jk |
| 05:52:37 | Harry | no grimman |
| 05:52:42 | grimman | *gasp* |
| 05:52:45 | grimman | It defies me. |
| 05:52:46 | BigMac | he wants someone to make a .wps file for him |
| 05:52:47 | grimman | Punish it! |
| 05:52:50 | Harry | my question requirea dev |
| 05:52:55 | Harry | bigmac no |
| 05:53:02 | BigMac | sure |
| 05:53:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is the only channel to find Rockbox devs. |
| 05:53:07 | Harry | serious |
| 05:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is your question? |
| 05:53:30 | Harry | paul dont worry |
| 05:53:44 | Harry | it for someone who can code |
| 05:53:53 | grimman | Ouch. |
| 05:54:02 | BigMac | he wants someone to code a wps for him |
| 05:54:03 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd vs. Harry, 0-1 |
| 05:54:16 | Harry | bigmac no u idoit |
| 05:54:21 | BigMac | lol |
| 05:54:33 | Harry | i already figuried how to make one |
| 05:54:42 | BigMac | its funny because you called me an idiot and spelled idiot wrong lmao |
| 05:54:50 | Harry | w/e |
| 05:54:51 | Harry | lol |
| 05:55:01 | Harry | idiot* |
| 05:55:02 | BigMac | so it proves whos the idiot here:-) |
| 05:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: I can code. There is code of mine in Rockbox. Also, if you ask the question I may be able to tell you who to ask specifically, as I generally know who tends to work on what sort of things. |
| 05:55:38 | Harry | paul i need a dev to code a visulillzer |
| 05:55:47 | Harry | just a small one |
| 05:55:57 | Harry | nothing fancy |
| 05:56:06 | Harry | just bars going up and down |
| 05:56:24 | Harry | so paul? |
| 05:57:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | See, that's not even something you should be asking here. |
| 05:57:19 | Harry | lol |
| 05:57:21 | Harry | y not |
| 05:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | A) The way you just said it makes it sound like you expect someone to just be willing to do it. |
| 05:57:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | B) There's a FEATURE REQUEST page. |
| 05:57:35 | BigMac | paul:is there an rockbox ipod emulator out so you can test stuff? |
| 05:57:40 | Harry | i know |
| 05:57:45 | Harry | bigmac yes |
| 05:57:55 | BigMac | linkify |
| 05:57:55 | Harry | paul |
| 05:57:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: There's a UI simulator. For testing WPS code, and general features, but nothing hardware specific. No emulators though. |
| 05:58:11 | Harry | can u code it |
| 05:58:24 | grimman | Harry: Bad question. |
| 05:58:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, I can. |
| 05:58:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I won't. |
| 05:58:38 | Harry | omg |
| 05:58:41 | Harry | please |
| 05:58:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why don't you do it? |
| 05:58:47 | grimman | Haha, I knew it! |
| 05:58:56 | Harry | paul |
| 05:58:59 | Harry | i dont know c |
| 05:59:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's about six-billion books on the C programming language. |
| 05:59:04 | grimman | Harry: Let me tell you something about programmers; They're lazy. |
| 05:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well as online tutorials. |
| 05:59:12 | Harry | paul |
| 05:59:14 | Harry | please |
| 05:59:22 | Harry | if i show my skin |
| 05:59:30 | Harry | u might wanna do it |
| 05:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: You don't want it badly enough. |
| 05:59:36 | BigMac | paul:will the ui simulator work for a 5g, and is it located on the site |
| 05:59:39 | BigMac | no he wont |
| 05:59:49 | grimman | This is getting creepier for every second that passes. |
| 05:59:50 | BigMac | its nothing spectacular man |
| 05:59:52 | BigMac | its nice |
| 05:59:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: It works for all of them. You can pick it as a compile option instead of a real version. |
| 05:59:56 | Harry | plus then other will code more themes |
| 05:59:58 | BigMac | but its no jblackglass |
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| 06:00:07 | grimman | BigMac: Awesome theme. ^^ |
| 06:00:12 | BigMac | yah |
| 06:00:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: If you wanted it badly enough, you'd just go and do it yourself. So clearly, you don't desire the feature badly enough, and thus I have absolutely NO interest in it. |
| 06:00:28 | grimman | Question in relation to it; will it work "properly" with newer builds? |
| 06:00:28 | Harry | man |
| 06:00:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't want the feature, it doesn't actually benefit most people, and you're being whiny about it. |
| 06:00:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | In essence "shoo" |
| 06:00:37 | Harry | why do u have to be like that |
| 06:00:41 | BigMac | i like my jblackglass mod though but not many others do, but who cares i like it and that is all that matters:-) |
| 06:00:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because you're sitting in here whining about something as if you actually want it, but won't even bother trying to do it yourself. |
| 06:00:52 | grimman | The 07-20 daily had messed up font locations and that's the only one I've tried. |
| 06:01:04 | Harry | paul |
| 06:01:09 | BigMac | harry |
| 06:01:17 | Harry | if i try it would take me a year |
| 06:01:25 | grimman | So get crackin'. |
| 06:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, it wouldn't. |
| 06:01:34 | Harry | but u maybe a couple or days or a week |
| 06:01:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, either do it yourself, or file a feature request. |
| 06:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Begging like this is a guaranteed way to ensure it won't happen, especially with something frivolous like this. |
| 06:02:07 | BigMac | paul:do i have to compile the ui simulator or is there an exe on the site |
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| 06:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: It's best to compile yourself, especially if you want to work on WPSes that require custom builds or patches. There are compiled simulators here that you can use though, if you're okay with vanilla rockbox: rasher.dk/Rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/Rockbox/simulator/ |
| 06:03:41 | BigMac | yah compiling is far beyond me so i guess its out |
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| 06:04:41 | harryy | how do i reg my nick |
| 06:04:49 | harryy | whats the command |
| 06:05:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It tells you what to type when you log in... |
| 06:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, when you connect. |
| 06:05:56 | harryy | it tells my how to identify |
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| 06:06:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it saying that your nick is already registered then? |
| 06:06:25 | harry | yes |
| 06:06:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you can't register it... |
| 06:06:56 | harry | i reg it |
| 06:07:02 | harry | but i forgot pass |
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| 06:07:45 | TheRealHarry | im the real harry lad |
| 06:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | harry: Well, you're going to have to figure out what your recovery options are, or just give up on it. |
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| 06:09:45 | harry | fuck |
| 06:09:59 | BigMac | woo |
| 06:10:07 | BigMac | watch the swearing |
| 06:10:12 | harry | lol |
| 06:10:14 | BigMac | there are children here |
| 06:10:22 | harry | right |
| 06:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Language like that is rather unnecessary, and it'd be preferred if you avoided it. |
| 06:10:40 | harry | srry |
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| 06:10:52 | harry | can i use abrevations |
| 06:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | You aren't sorry though. You laughed at BigMac. |
| 06:11:22 | harry | ffs |
| 06:11:24 | harry | w/e |
| 06:11:30 | BigMac | why abreviate it |
| 06:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's best if you use whole words and as close to proper English as you can. Many people here don't speak English natively, or use machine translation, so it becomes impossible for them to understand very quickly. |
| 06:11:36 | BigMac | just don't do it |
| 06:11:51 | BigMac | paul:are you esl |
| 06:11:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I am not. |
| 06:11:58 | harry | bigmac how old r u |
| 06:12:58 | BigMac | 12 |
| 06:13:11 | BigMac | :-) |
| 06:14:16 | grimman | =( |
| 06:14:21 | grimman | I'm youngest then. *sigh* |
| 06:14:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is the official Rockbox support and development channel, so it's expected of users to behave in a reasonably responsible manner as much as they can. |
| 06:14:42 | BigMac | grim how old are you |
| 06:14:56 | grimman | 7 |
| 06:15:14 | BigMac | lol sure |
| 06:15:29 | BigMac | fine im actually 8 |
| 06:15:40 | grimman | Nice. |
| 06:15:42 | grimman | Want to marry me? |
| 06:15:47 | BigMac | omg i want a helio so bad |
| 06:15:50 | BigMac | ok i guess |
| 06:15:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 49 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:15:56 | * | grimman marries BigMac. |
| 06:15:57 | BigMac | but i dont kiss on the first date |
| 06:16:04 | BigMac | im old fashioned like that |
| 06:16:17 | BigMac | helio.com |
| 06:16:21 | BigMac | =god |
| 06:16:47 | grimman | Looks huge. |
| 06:17:10 | grimman | I want a nano sized phone with; Colour screen. No camera. No MP3 support. |
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| 06:17:20 | BigMac | i want camera |
| 06:17:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why a colour screen? |
| 06:17:26 | BigMac | and internet suppot |
| 06:17:31 | BigMac | support |
| 06:17:36 | BigMac | i like color screen |
| 06:17:39 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: For some kickass themes, of course. ;D |
| 06:17:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
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| 06:17:55 | grimman | You sigh, old man. |
| 06:18:03 | antitheist | umm... anyway, back to rockbox. can anyone here help me with the co-ordinate system used in the themes? |
| 06:18:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the number of pixels from the top left corner |
| 06:18:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | X,Y, from 0,0 |
| 06:18:27 | BigMac | im off to bed now |
| 06:18:33 | grimman | nn, hun. |
| 06:18:34 | grimman | ;) |
| 06:18:35 | BigMac | ttyl |
| 06:18:40 | BigMac | :-) |
| 06:18:43 | antitheist | ah i see |
| 06:18:45 | antitheist | thank you |
| 06:19:01 | BigMac | i hope my sarah calls me in the am |
| 06:19:28 | BigMac | she went to that wretched mexico |
| 06:19:57 | grimman | Mmyes, mexico. |
| 06:20:32 | BigMac | its been a tough week without my female |
| 06:20:54 | BigMac | i believe the stones said it best with "i cant get no,, satisfactiooooon |
| 06:21:13 | grimman | Or in the words of Norther. |
| 06:21:17 | grimman | Unleash hell! |
| 06:21:18 | grimman | ;) |
| 06:21:41 | BigMac | im lonely and that makes me said |
| 06:21:48 | BigMac | what time is it in mexico |
| 06:21:53 | grimman | Wheren't you leaving? |
| 06:21:55 | BigMac | w/e im calling her anyway |
| 06:22:00 | grimman | Weren't* |
| 06:22:03 | BigMac | yah i am |
| 06:22:08 | BigMac | akljdsssssssssssssssssssssl |
| 06:22:10 | BigMac | bye |
| 06:22:26 | grimman | Buh bye. |
| 06:22:43 | grimman | Paul_The_Nerd: Back to the theme topic; what's wrong with kickass themes? |
| 06:23:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: It seems kinda silly to be willing to pay extra just for the ability to have the screen look different. |
| 06:23:25 | grimman | "Different" isn't quite the same as "how I want it to look". ;) |
| 06:23:51 | grimman | And besides, every device nowadays has a colour screen. It just looks better. |
| 06:24:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's generally a LOT harder to read in direct sunlight. |
| 06:24:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Looks better is a very relative term. |
| 06:24:21 | grimman | I suppose that depends on the colour settings. |
| 06:24:34 | grimman | And of course. But all my stuff looks absolutely smashing. |
| 06:24:36 | grimman | ;) |
| 06:24:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It depends on how close the pixels are together, and a lot of other things, rather than just color settings. |
| 06:25:03 | grimman | Nyah, not quite what I meant. |
| 06:25:23 | grimman | Suppose theme A has proper fonts and such, easily readable... but with absolutely horrible colour settings. |
| 06:25:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are some color screens you can set to monochrome and they'll still be vastly less readable in direct sunlight than a monochrome screen. |
| 06:25:49 | grimman | Hm. |
| 06:25:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even with identical information being displayed. |
| 06:26:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, color screens also tend to use more battery. |
| 06:26:16 | grimman | True. |
| 06:26:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | They have a negative impact on phone use in general, if all you want is a good phone. |
| 06:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I generally prefer hardware that only has features that reinforce what I want to do with it. Unfortunately, it's often hard to find. |
| 06:27:51 | grimman | I keep wondering why devices don't have an option to turn the display off if it's been inactive or locked for a set period of time. |
| 06:30:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because for some reason people feel the display is so integral that it must be always available. |
| 06:30:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do people load 500 WPSes onto their MP3 player, and change themes constantly? |
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| 06:31:08 | grimman | Dunno really. |
| 06:31:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | But they do. |
| 06:31:23 | grimman | I have a bunch myself, but variations of the same one... for no reason really, I don't switch. |
| 06:31:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I made my own, and stuck with it, and that was that. |
| 06:31:35 | grimman | (the entire jBlackGlass package) |
| 06:31:39 | grimman | hehe |
| 06:31:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | But to a lot of people, what's on the screen is as important, or more, than what's coming out of the earphones. |
| 06:32:24 | grimman | =P |
| 06:32:36 | antitheist | vanity |
| 06:32:59 | grimman | All I need personally is the basic info... but since I have the option of using a good looking theme I damn well will. |
| 06:33:50 | grimman | And for my part it doesn't even have to show constantly as long as I can easily bring the info up when I need it. |
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| 06:35:04 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 06:35:09 | JdGordon | grr @ febs :p |
| 06:35:19 | grimman | Lo, JdGordon. |
| 06:38:06 | JdGordon | does anyone in here have the x5 or any archos taget and has about 3min they can waste helping me out? |
| 06:38:59 | scorche | JdGordon: what you need? (ajr v1 |
| 06:39:01 | scorche | ) |
| 06:39:20 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5489.msg42383#msg42383 if you can ? |
| 06:39:49 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: can you remove Feb's response in that thread please, mine also i guess, as its completly useless |
| 06:40:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd rather not remove either response, actually |
| 06:40:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | His was a valid issue, and yours is a valid response. If I were to remove his, he'd never necessarily see your response, and that could just open up a bad can of worms. |
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| 06:44:14 | scorche | JdGordon: long menu? |
| 06:44:30 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, fair enough |
| 06:44:45 | JdGordon | scorche: i dunno, if its not used dw about it |
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| 06:46:48 | JdGordon | So, what you're saying, is that in the absolute most vague of terms the H10 port is ahead of the Sansa port? <- haha |
| 06:46:56 | grimman | Ah, it appears my idea has already been suggested. =) |
| 06:47:45 | grimman | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5636 |
| 06:48:47 | scorche | JdGordon: done |
| 06:48:55 | JdGordon | thanx alot |
| 06:49:10 | scorche | anything else, lemme know |
| 06:49:36 | scorche | oh...and WPS > File browser = on |
| 06:50:05 | JdGordon | you forgot to say whch target in the msg :p |
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| 06:50:26 | scorche | le sigh. |
| 06:53:03 | JdGordon | scorche: your gonna be around for a while ye? if i code this up can you test it? |
| 06:53:20 | sharpe | ahey, i'll be around for the next six hours probably! hah... |
| 06:54:55 | JdGordon | sharpe: thats the recorder pad right? |
| 06:55:05 | sharpe | huh? |
| 06:55:07 | scorche | JdGordon: i dont have my cross-compiler set up |
| 06:55:13 | scorche | but, give me a sec... |
| 06:55:36 | grimman | Hrrnpf... Doom is damned hard on the iPod. |
| 06:55:37 | JdGordon | i can compile it for ya, it will take a while to get it all going, no rush |
| 06:55:44 | scorche | that will work |
| 07:00 |
| 07:01:45 | JdGordon | scorche: whats the diff between browsing/playing quickmenu: and display quickmenu? |
| 07:03:57 | scorche | borwsing/playing has shuffle (left), repeat (right), and show files (down) |
| 07:04:36 | scorche | display has scrollbar (left), status bar (right), upside down (down) |
| 07:04:47 | JdGordon | ah, ok |
| 07:05:14 | * | JdGordon wonders why that screen isnt on iriver on the rec button |
| 07:05:46 | scorche | as in quickmenus in general? |
| 07:07:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Because the record button could also simply be used for Record?' |
| 07:08:04 | JdGordon | the display quickmenu, iriver has the other one |
| 07:08:13 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: not in the wps or tree... |
| 07:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah it could. |
| 07:08:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of people would like the ability to instantly go to record and be ready to record at any screen. |
| 07:08:43 | JdGordon | scorche: Archos Recorder, Archos FM Recorder or Archos Recorder v2 ? |
| 07:09:06 | scorche | v1 |
| 07:09:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the second (display) quickscreen could be reached by a long hold of A-B or Menu from the first Quickscreen, on targets without a spare button. |
| 07:09:11 | scorche | so the first choice =P |
| 07:09:18 | JdGordon | ye, but that button does absolutly nothing now, (me talking rehtorically)... |
| 07:10:36 | antitheist | hey, would anyone here like to test my iPod nano theme before i put it on the forum? |
| 07:11:07 | amiconn | The keypad of recorder v1, v2 and fm is identical. The mechanical configuration of the buttons differs a bit between v1 on one hand and v2/fm on the other, but the buttons itself are the same |
| 07:11:31 | antitheist | anyone with a nano? |
| 07:11:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: But "it doesn't do anything now" because it hasn't been finalized. It's better to leave it doing nothing, then go straight to the final use, then change it around and have people complain because they got used to it. |
| 07:11:47 | grimman | antitheist: It appears you're out of luck. |
| 07:11:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | antitheist: Why do you need someone with a Nano? |
| 07:12:09 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 07:12:10 | antitheist | it's a theme for a nano |
| 07:12:15 | amiconn | The quickmenus were supposed to get replaced by something else for a looong time. |
| 07:12:28 | amiconn | On iriver and ipod they're not even strictly quick... |
| 07:12:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: i was asking so i know which target to compile for :p |
| 07:12:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | antitheist: But why are you specifically looking for someone with a Nano? What do you want them to do? |
| 07:12:55 | antitheist | if anyone feels like it... http://www.users.on.net/~vanzati/rockbox/The_Frail.zip go for it |
| 07:13:45 | scorche | JdGordon: what exactly am i testing again? =P |
| 07:14:05 | JdGordon | if the buttons all "feel" right... |
| 07:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | antitheist: Any particular reason you didn't want to put it in the WPS Gallery? |
| 07:14:16 | amiconn | On archos, it's possible to press F2 or F2, and _while holding it_, press left, right or down to trigger the action. When operated this way, the quickmenu goes away when releasing F2/F3 |
| 07:14:30 | antitheist | i was about to |
| 07:14:46 | JdGordon | amiconn: cool.. we want that also :p |
| 07:14:48 | amiconn | This way of operation is impossible on iriver at least |
| 07:14:50 | antitheist | thought i might be able to get some feedback to see whether or not it's worthwile |
| 07:15:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually people post pics of their themes in the forums where lots of people can see it, when seeking feedback before posting. ;) |
| 07:15:43 | antitheist | yeah well... this is quicker |
| 07:16:04 | grimman | Apparently not. ;P |
| 07:16:07 | scorche | not if anyone steps up to try it |
| 07:16:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the sense of "Nobody's responding, so you're done."? |
| 07:16:16 | amiconn | One idea was to replace the quickmenu with a user configurable menu, but nobody got around implementing that yet. |
| 07:16:32 | grimman | amiconn: That would be great. |
| 07:18:16 | amiconn | There are at least 2 problems to solve: (1) How to store the configuration? It has to be an efficient method. (2) What to do with the extra free button on archos recorders then (as there currently are two quickmenus) |
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| 07:18:56 | sharpe | noo! |
| 07:20:35 | Hulex | Idling~ |
| 07:20:41 | Hulex | Quick question. |
| 07:21:13 | Hulex | Is there any way to avoid random "gaps" in my iPod while it's playing? rockbox somestimes acts all weird and the music skips for apparantly no reason |
| 07:21:34 | Hulex | Although I do know I can't use one of the default skins since I guess it's too "busy" |
| 07:24:50 | JdGordon | leave it in the file/id3 browser instead of the wos |
| 07:24:52 | JdGordon | wps* |
| 07:25:02 | * | JdGordon is getting some very wierd compile errors :'( |
| 07:26:36 | Hulex | the what :O |
| 07:26:59 | Hulex | oh the now playing screen? |
| 07:27:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | While Playing Screen... |
| 07:27:52 | Hulex | yeah I did that once...so like the big colorful fancy "rockbox" skin looks like impossible to play anything without it skipping |
| 07:28:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well there's still a lot of work to be done on iPod. |
| 07:28:16 | sharpe | Hulex: do you happen to use any peak meters or the EQ? :) |
| 07:28:28 | sharpe | standard "my ipod skips" questions. ahah... |
| 07:28:31 | Hulex | icatcher seems to work pretty well, but doesn't allow you to fast-forward through a song :< |
| 07:28:41 | Hulex | peak meters? |
| 07:28:46 | Hulex | Haven't even toughed those |
| 07:28:52 | Hulex | touched* |
| 07:28:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | The WPS has nothing to do with the ability to fast forward... |
| 07:29:11 | antitheist | now i KNOW that most of you don't care, but if u would like to see a screenshot of my theme http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5492.0 please do |
| 07:29:14 | Hulex | on one of the skins, it won't allow me to fask forward |
| 07:29:28 | sharpe | that's not supposed to be possible... |
| 07:29:40 | Hulex | hm |
| 07:29:43 | Hulex | let me try it again |
| 07:31:12 | Hulex | Paul, what do you mean there's a lot of work to be done? |
| 07:32:03 | Hulex | okay nevermind, working now. |
| 07:33:13 | Hulex | Maybe it was cause I was playing with it a lot at work, but the battery seemed to drain really quickly too |
| 07:33:48 | sharpe | you mean, compared to the apple firmware? |
| 07:33:52 | Hulex | Also, completely unrelated to rockbox, I'm covered in insect bites *whine bitch moan* |
| 07:33:58 | Hulex | yeah |
| 07:34:00 | grimman | wiki dead? |
| 07:34:13 | sharpe | yeah. that's expected... the shorter battery life... |
| 07:34:26 | sharpe | wiki works fine for me. |
| 07:34:38 | Hulex | I assume it spins up the harddrive more? |
| 07:34:54 | grimman | nm, works again now. |
| 07:34:58 | grimman | Got server error. |
| 07:36:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why would you assume it spins up the disk more? |
| 07:36:17 | Hulex | I dunno |
| 07:36:23 | Hulex | The gapless playback |
| 07:36:34 | Hulex | Or maybe it has to work harder somehow |
| 07:39:31 | JdGordon | scorche: can i send you a rockbox.ucl to play with? |
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| 07:43:30 | grimman | Is there anywhere I can find a list of WPS(?) tags? |
| 07:43:43 | scorche | JdGordon: mind just sending me a .ajz so i can run it from rolo? |
| 07:43:47 | grimman | A complete list that is... and the data they hold. |
| 07:43:50 | scorche | grimman: did you search the wiki? |
| 07:44:08 | grimman | scorche: The closest thing I could find was the beginners guide to WPS creation. |
| 07:44:09 | JdGordon | scorche: ok, didnt know there was a diff.. |
| 07:44:22 | grimman | Which contains a few tags. |
| 07:45:12 | JdGordon | scorche: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/ajbrec.ajz">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/ajbrec.ajz <- go into the file browser and the menus and let me know if it all woks as expected please |
| 07:45:17 | scorche | grimman: search harder next time ;) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 07:45:39 | Hulex | So uh |
| 07:45:44 | grimman | Mmyes, next time I will search till I drop. |
| 07:45:45 | grimman | ;) |
| 07:45:47 | grimman | Thanks! |
| 07:46:00 | Hulex | Say if my current build is kinda buggy and is the latest I got on the page. the main one |
| 07:46:10 | Hulex | Do you reccomend I try out a daily build or too risky? |
| 07:46:31 | sharpe | the daily builds are just cvs builds created once a day... |
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| 07:46:47 | scorche | grimman: even a search in the wiki for "wps" includes that page |
| 07:47:01 | grimman | scorche: I searched for 'tags' though. |
| 07:47:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hulex: Umm... dailys are older than CVS builds most of the time... |
| 07:47:05 | grimman | So... no results for me. ;) |
| 07:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hulex: So, latest from what page? |
| 07:47:13 | Hulex | oh wait nevermind already did |
| 07:47:36 | Hulex | downloaded a daily from the main download page at the bottom |
| 07:48:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: The ajbrec.ajz/archos.mod files are the archos equivalent of rockbox.iriver/rockbox.ipod. The name is that 'strange' because we couldn't choose freely. The archos firmware itself uses those namen and loads updates from disk. That's where rockbox 'hooks' in, i.e. we don't need a special bootloader on archos. |
| 07:48:56 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 07:49:01 | amiconn | Archos probably implemented it this way because the early archoses had a ROM which isn't in-circuit flashable |
| 07:49:37 | scorche | JdGordon: first task...modify the contrast =P |
| 07:49:43 | amiconn | The .ucl files are for flashing rockbox (after flashing a different ROM image once) |
| 07:50:11 | JdGordon | scorche: ? i changed nothing but the button code, howd your contarst get fiddled with? |
| 07:50:11 | amiconn | ...on archoses which allow it, i.e. some players, most v1s, and all v2/fm and Ondios |
| 07:50:21 | scorche | JdGordon: no clue... |
| 07:50:39 | amiconn | JdGordon: Did you update cvs before compiling? |
| 07:50:47 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:50:59 | JdGordon | its yesterdays cvs |
| 07:51:03 | amiconn | RaeNye broke the default contrast 3 (?) days ago, fixed yesterday by Linus and me |
| 07:51:15 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 07:51:33 | JdGordon | maybe scorche was stil using the older build? i dunno :p |
| 07:51:51 | scorche | JdGordon: pushing F1 while in menu will also return you to the WPS |
| 07:52:48 | JdGordon | k |
| 07:53:28 | * | amiconn thinks that the menu button, when pressed within a menu, should immediately leave the whole menu tree |
| 07:53:56 | JdGordon | amiconn: im starting to think about giving up with this, there isnt enough genericity in the taregts for this tow ork properly :'( |
| 07:53:59 | * | JdGordon agrees |
| 07:54:00 | amiconn | Today, Left and the menu button are redundant |
| 07:55:08 | scorche | JdGordon: hmmm...odd...when i pause music, it pauses immediately like it should in the headphones, however, the wps lags behind it (also follows when resuming) |
| 07:55:12 | sharpe | what about yesterday? :) |
| 07:55:14 | scorche | this is with default wps fyi |
| 07:55:51 | JdGordon | scorche: unless your pausing it from the tree then its not my changes, i havnt touched the wps button code |
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| 07:56:12 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 07:57:04 | amiconn | The wps always lags a bit. |
| 07:57:12 | amiconn | ...on all targets |
| 07:57:17 | * | scorche wonders why he hasnt noticed beforew |
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| 07:57:50 | Gnelik | hi |
| 07:58:02 | sharpe | good morning to you. |
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| 07:58:23 | Harry | hello |
| 07:58:37 | Harry | quick ? |
| 07:58:48 | scorche | JdGordon: besides menu, it all seems good |
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| 07:58:58 | JdGordon | ok, great, thanks |
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| 07:59:04 | Harry | on a wps can i put the time and battery |
| 07:59:07 | Harry | anywher |
| 07:59:14 | Harry | jd u make theme? |
| 07:59:24 | JdGordon | no, and yes, u can |
| 07:59:37 | Harry | okay |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:14 | Harry | who heres made a theme |
| 08:01:40 | midkay | Harry: check CustomWPS, you can do a lot more than time and battery. it has a list of all possible tags.. |
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| 08:02:06 | sharpe | midkay: ahah. :) |
| 08:02:15 | midkay | :) |
| 08:02:28 | sharpe | how's life? |
| 08:02:50 | scorche | busy for him atm |
| 08:03:05 | scorche | i am being mister slave driver |
| 08:03:07 | sharpe | mapping? |
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| 08:03:19 | scorche | midkay: stop being lazy!...work on the map! |
| 08:03:27 | * | scorche cracks the whip |
| 08:03:31 | clifford | crap, I hate itunes :( |
| 08:03:53 | sharpe | why's that? :) |
| 08:03:58 | grimman | Join the club. |
| 08:03:58 | scorche | clifford: we dont use itunes here... |
| 08:04:03 | Hulex | I think most box rockers hate itunes haha |
| 08:04:20 | grimman | Michael Sembello - Maniac. Best theme editing song ever. ;P |
| 08:04:27 | clifford | it tries to be "uhh smart" but crap it's so damn annoying |
| 08:04:42 | grimman | << Doing some dirty updating of the jBlackGlass theme. So it doesn't require patching. ;) |
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| 08:05:18 | sharpe | "You're trying to install rockbox on your ipod and need it working as just a disk? I don't think you so you little ungrateful..." |
| 08:05:28 | sharpe | wow. forget the first 'you' |
| 08:05:29 | clifford | it's a joke, it takes 2 minutes with 40 seconds to open itunes in my laptop (p3 1.12 or something like thathehehe) |
| 08:05:45 | grimman | clifford: So get Winamp... |
| 08:06:11 | clifford | hahahahah yes, I will have to avoid itunes |
| 08:06:20 | grimman | I have a reverse engineered version of the latest release that's quite light. |
| 08:06:38 | clifford | grimman> itunes? |
| 08:06:43 | grimman | Hahahaha. |
| 08:06:49 | grimman | Never. |
| 08:06:59 | clifford | grimman> so, winamp? |
| 08:07:02 | grimman | Yes. |
| 08:07:09 | clifford | hahaha sorry, I tend to be dumb |
| 08:07:20 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?Winamp.zip |
| 08:07:25 | grimman | No iPod support though. |
| 08:07:31 | grimman | But that's not necessary with Rockbox. |
| 08:07:46 | grimman | "She's a maniaaac, maaaaaaniac lalala" |
| 08:07:54 | midkay | scorche: i am. |
| 08:08:00 | midkay | testing some dusk/dawn lighting. |
| 08:08:01 | midkay | :) |
| 08:08:03 | grimman | This is the fifth or sixth time that track repeats. |
| 08:08:05 | clifford | grimman> great song |
| 08:08:15 | grimman | clifford: So far, yes. |
| 08:08:16 | grimman | hehe |
| 08:08:56 | clifford | It |
| 08:09:06 | Hulex | Hm |
| 08:09:18 | Hulex | I'm still miffed about having to move and re-sort all my music and stuffs |
| 08:09:27 | clifford | I'm trying to fix a tagcache bug with my ipod, if I can, I will uninstall itunes gladly |
| 08:09:29 | sharpe | Hulex: TagCache? |
| 08:09:31 | Hulex | I need to spend a couple of days to "rockboxify" my iPod |
| 08:09:46 | Hulex | Well does that work with iTunes uploaded music? |
| 08:09:50 | sharpe | yes... |
| 08:09:53 | grimman | Hulex: It's just a matter of mounting the iPod and copying your music to it. |
| 08:10:04 | Hulex | grimman, I know |
| 08:10:09 | sharpe | it indexes them based on their tag data. not their filename... |
| 08:10:13 | grimman | And since they're so large... just copy it all. ;D |
| 08:10:23 | Hulex | But my 20gig is filled with 20gigs of music uploaded and sorted into playlists and stuff via itunes |
| 08:10:35 | grimman | That's quite something. |
| 08:10:35 | Hulex | sharpe's method sounds better :O |
| 08:10:45 | Hulex | My entire music collection is like |
| 08:10:48 | grimman | I think I've filled some 20 gigs of mine too. |
| 08:10:58 | grimman | 5 gigs of music, 15 gigs of TV series. ;P |
| 08:10:59 | Hulex | 27 gigs and growing |
| 08:11:14 | Hulex | I am an audiophile |
| 08:11:30 | grimman | =) |
| 08:11:32 | Hulex | But I have a good majority of stuff on there I listen to rarely |
| 08:11:35 | Hulex | And sometimes NEVER |
| 08:11:36 | scorche | what does that say about one who has around 100 gigs of music? |
| 08:11:40 | grimman | I have 36 gigs... but not just stuff I would listen to myself. |
| 08:11:42 | grimman | I'm a packrat. ;D |
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| 08:12:16 | clifford | grimman> thanks for that winamp (Y) |
| 08:12:21 | Hulex | grimman, same |
| 08:12:22 | grimman | np |
| 08:12:27 | sharpe | 19.1/76.6 gigs of a harddrive of mine are free... |
| 08:12:39 | grimman | sharpe: You lucky sod. |
| 08:12:58 | grimman | I have something like 2 gigs / ~500 gigs. |
| 08:13:03 | Hulex | believe me if I had more harddrive space on my apple craptop here I would download like 20 more CDs |
| 08:13:04 | sharpe | then 7.8/25 gigs free on another... |
| 08:13:21 | Hulex | currently 9.96 available but that fluctuates wildly |
| 08:13:27 | Hulex | I torrent PS2 games :x |
| 08:13:40 | sharpe | Shh. |
| 08:13:41 | Hulex | And my external HDD needs to be reformatted |
| 08:13:54 | scorche | 3.64 gigs free out of about a terabyte... |
| 08:13:56 | scorche | i need more space |
| 08:14:05 | Hulex | The first rule of Sows is that we do not talk about Sows. |
| 08:14:18 | Hulex | terabite |
| 08:14:19 | Hulex | shit |
| 08:14:28 | scorche | o_O |
| 08:14:31 | Hulex | I have a measly 80 gigs here ;_; |
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| 08:15:08 | sharpe | i have things backed up on dvds i still have on one of my harddrives... |
| 08:15:25 | scorche | are we including dvds now too? =P |
| 08:15:41 | grimman | I suck btw. |
| 08:15:44 | sharpe | nope, those are just a few dvds. |
| 08:16:08 | scorche | oh....i wanted to add another terabyte on to that =( |
| 08:16:23 | grimman | Had the chance to buy a brand new 400 gig external USB 2.0 drive for $200. |
| 08:16:24 | Hulex | Yeah I should back stuff onto DVD |
| 08:16:28 | Hulex | I have a surplus of them |
| 08:16:29 | sharpe | i need to move some things to dvds... |
| 08:16:29 | grimman | And I didn't. |
| 08:16:30 | clifford | crap... I can barely hit 40gb and I'm getting frustrated |
| 08:17:26 | sharpe | clifford: jealous of our wastefulness? :) |
| 08:17:28 | * | scorche scrolls up to figure out where the deviation started |
| 08:17:46 | clifford | wastefulness |
| 08:17:49 | clifford | hehehe |
| 08:17:59 | JdGordon | once i have rockbox installed onto an eyepod, would i be able to use the same hdd with an ipod and a h300 without stuffing around when i want to swap? |
| 08:18:42 | clifford | brb |
| 08:19:00 | scorche | JdGordon: afaik, no... |
| 08:19:12 | scorche | differences in partition tables |
| 08:19:17 | Hulex | sharpe |
| 08:19:21 | JdGordon | oh poo :p |
| 08:19:25 | Hulex | how do I like reindex my ipod or watever? |
| 08:19:35 | sharpe | have you ever used tagcache before? |
| 08:19:41 | Hulex | Uh |
| 08:19:43 | Hulex | Maybe? |
| 08:19:56 | Hulex | I have no idea. I played around with that setting on the ipod like a few times |
| 08:20:00 | Hulex | i mean rockbox |
| 08:20:01 | scorche | JdGordon: also, ipods are notoriously difficult to open, so i am not sure how well that would work anyway |
| 08:20:16 | Hulex | Get an exacto knife |
| 08:20:30 | Hulex | I opened up my 2G iPod once just out of curiosity when it finally died |
| 08:20:41 | sharpe | main menu -> general settings -> file view -> tagcache -> initialize now |
| 08:20:52 | Hulex | I miss that thing :< even when it failed as a music player, it made a pretty handy 10gig hard drive |
| 08:21:14 | Hulex | sharpe that will like automatically find all my musics? |
| 08:21:18 | sharpe | yes |
| 08:21:23 | Hulex | nice |
| 08:21:45 | sharpe | i have a lot of things dealing with halo 2 maps... |
| 08:21:53 | sharpe | on one of my hard drives... |
| 08:22:16 | Hulex | okay and stupid question how long does it take? |
| 08:22:20 | scorche | halo maps...HA! |
| 08:22:21 | Hulex | and when will I know when it's done? |
| 08:22:40 | scorche | Hulex: when the disk stops accessing |
| 08:22:43 | sharpe | yep. |
| 08:22:54 | Hulex | oh |
| 08:23:00 | Hulex | I think it's done? o.o |
| 08:23:03 | Hulex | Can't be |
| 08:23:14 | sharpe | you can view it's progress in main menu -> info -> debug -> view tagcache info |
| 08:23:40 | Hulex | o.O |
| 08:23:43 | Hulex | looks like it did uh |
| 08:23:45 | Hulex | Nothing. |
| 08:23:53 | sharpe | what does it say? |
| 08:24:01 | Hulex | progress -1% |
| 08:24:04 | Hulex | 0 entries |
| 08:24:11 | Hulex | Initialized: yes |
| 08:24:14 | Slasheri | clifford: hmm, what kind of bug do you have with tagcache? |
| 08:24:21 | Hulex | DB ready no ram cache no |
| 08:24:24 | scorche | -1% is a bug |
| 08:24:40 | sharpe | scorche: it's not really a bug, it's because dircache isn't enabled... |
| 08:24:49 | scorche | well... |
| 08:24:51 | scorche | fine.. |
| 08:24:57 | sharpe | hah. |
| 08:25:10 | sharpe | Hulex: try going to the update tagcache option in the menus... |
| 08:25:20 | * | scorche stops devoting 1/8th of his mind here and devotes all of it to the movie |
| 08:25:28 | sharpe | ah, what movie? |
| 08:25:36 | scorche | noneya |
| 08:25:44 | sharpe | great movie. |
| 08:25:50 | Hulex | update now? |
| 08:25:52 | scorche | as in noneyabusiness |
| 08:25:53 | sharpe | yes. |
| 08:26:14 | Hulex | uh |
| 08:26:21 | sharpe | scorche: yes, i know. hence the sarcastic "great movie." |
| 08:26:24 | Hulex | when I click it/go forward literally nothing happens |
| 08:26:45 | grimman | Porn, most likely. |
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| 08:28:24 | Hulex | o.O |
| 08:28:26 | Hulex | I BROKE IT |
| 08:28:32 | sharpe | i doubt it |
| 08:28:37 | Hulex | heh |
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| 08:28:46 | Hulex | but yeah update now doesn't do anything |
| 08:29:11 | Hulex | what about import/export modifications? |
| 08:29:39 | sharpe | nope... |
| 08:29:57 | sharpe | so it still says 0 entries in the info? |
| 08:30:15 | Hulex | yes |
| 08:30:33 | sharpe | hooray, cygwin takes up just over a gigabyte. |
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| 08:31:16 | sharpe | try restarting. |
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| 08:40:16 | Hulex | 5084 entries |
| 08:40:18 | Hulex | Looks like it worked |
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| 08:41:19 | Hulex | uh |
| 08:41:20 | Hulex | now what D: |
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| 08:42:30 | sharpe | well... |
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| 08:42:52 | sharpe | generally restarting is what most do... |
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| 08:45:55 | Hulex | again with the restarting |
| 08:45:59 | sharpe | ;) |
| 08:46:00 | Hulex | my ipod is windows lol |
| 08:46:18 | Hulex | commiting tagcache 10 of...13? o.o |
| 08:46:24 | Hulex | uhhh |
| 08:46:32 | sharpe | yep |
| 08:46:50 | Hulex | are there more steps involved here? |
| 08:47:24 | sharpe | just to set the file view |
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| 08:48:40 | Hulex | to what |
| 08:48:42 | Hulex | I'm slow sorry |
| 08:48:52 | sharpe | ID3 Database |
| 08:50:08 | Hulex | where? |
| 08:50:28 | sharpe | hold menu, and a menu should pop up... |
| 08:50:32 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 08:50:43 | sharpe | hi. |
| 08:50:53 | Jungti1234 | yep |
| 08:50:53 | Hulex | sweeet |
| 08:50:58 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 08:51:11 | Jungti1234 | you can open bmp file in rockbox? |
| 08:51:47 | sharpe | ironically enough i don't believe there is a viewer plugin for it, but rockbox does handle bmps for backdrops and such. |
| 08:52:22 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 08:52:49 | Jungti1234 | I can open bmp file using Rock Paint. |
| 08:52:58 | sharpe | oh, i forgot about rockpaint. |
| 08:53:16 | Jungti1234 | but, I can't open with thing which click it. |
| 08:53:28 | Hulex | shape thank yous :O |
| 08:53:34 | Jungti1234 | Must use 'Open with ....'. |
| 08:53:34 | sharpe | welcome. |
| 08:53:46 | Hulex | Now I just gotta figure out a way to create/import my iPod playlists |
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| 08:53:54 | Jungti1234 | It's uncomfortable. |
| 08:54:04 | sharpe | ah. there's not an entry for it in the viewers file... |
| 08:54:08 | Jungti1234 | viewers.config? |
| 08:54:10 | sharpe | si |
| 08:54:30 | Jungti1234 | Of course, it's modified. |
| 08:54:45 | Jungti1234 | It's added already. |
| 08:54:58 | Jungti1234 | But, it doesn't work. |
| 08:55:02 | sharpe | sounds like a problem then. |
| 08:55:12 | Jungti1234 | there seems to be some problem..... |
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| 08:55:42 | Jungti1234 | Do you understand viewers.config? |
| 08:55:53 | sharpe | yep |
| 08:56:09 | Jungti1234 | Can you find its problem? |
| 08:56:16 | sharpe | ah... i suppose... |
| 08:56:25 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 08:56:49 | Jungti1234 | bmp,rocks/rockpaint, 01 10 01 10 01 10 |
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| 08:57:08 | sharpe | extension, viewer location, icon |
| 08:57:11 | sharpe | is the format. |
| 08:57:45 | Jungti1234 | yes I know |
| 08:58:03 | Jungti1234 | I know it... but |
| 08:58:11 | Jungti1234 | It didn't works. |
| 08:58:37 | Jungti1234 | don't open bmp file. |
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| 08:59:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it show up in the "Open With" menu? |
| 08:59:44 | sharpe | indeed it does, i can confirm... |
| 08:59:50 | Jungti1234 | nono, It show up there. |
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| 09:00:09 | Jungti1234 | [15:53:20] <Jungti1234> but, I can't open with thing which click it. |
| 09:00:12 | Hulex | God this is so awesome now :O |
| 09:01:02 | hardeep | i beg to differ, it was always awesome |
| 09:01:27 | Hulex | It wasn't awesome without music |
| 09:01:40 | Hulex | And omg the backlight comes on when it prepares for the next track~ |
| 09:03:12 | Hulex | Now I gotta tweak some of my mp3s from certain albums that have some songs fade into each other |
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| 09:03:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can viewers.config set a default if Rockbox recognizes the filetype outside of it? |
| 09:04:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, could one set a default action for .wav to be "convert to MP3" by accident? |
| 09:04:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | You may notice that they're in there, and yet wavs still play, so I would assume not. |
| 09:04:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | So maybe it can't have a default action since it's a filetype recognized in firmware. |
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| 09:05:03 | Jungti1234 | difficult english.... |
| 09:05:14 | Hulex | okay sharpe |
| 09:05:22 | Hulex | I don't want to bug you like all night |
| 09:05:22 | sharpe | yes? |
| 09:05:31 | sharpe | eh, it's okay, i've got three more hours to kill. |
| 09:05:49 | Hulex | Is there something somewhere I can read that will tell me how to create playlists or import my playlists from my default ipod firmware? |
| 09:06:12 | sharpe | oooh. from the apple firmware... |
| 09:06:20 | sharpe | highly doubt it. |
| 09:06:21 | Jungti1234 | Paul_The_Nerd |
| 09:06:43 | Hulex | Fair enough. |
| 09:06:50 | Jungti1234 | is it mean to me? |
| 09:06:53 | Hulex | Manually making/remaking playlists is kinda fun in a way |
| 09:07:05 | Hulex | How do I do it the normal way then? |
| 09:07:21 | sharpe | Jungti1234: he's saying it's probably because the firmware's action of that file type takes precedence over viewers.config. |
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| 09:07:50 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 09:07:54 | Jungti1234 | I can't understand... |
| 09:08:08 | midkay | sharpe: you need to be simpler.. |
| 09:08:21 | Jungti1234 | Rock Paint support bmp viewer |
| 09:08:22 | Jungti1234 | no? |
| 09:08:24 | midkay | Jungti1234: Rockbox uses playlists directly.. |
| 09:08:31 | midkay | Jungti1234: i believe so. |
| 09:09:07 | Jungti1234 | Its other function is viewer. |
| 09:09:35 | Jungti1234 | bmp file can't play. |
| 09:09:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: The default function is "do nothing" |
| 09:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is in the firmware, not viewers.config. |
| 09:09:49 | Jungti1234 | ah...! |
| 09:10:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because you can "Set as Backdrop" so the firmware must recognize and have control. |
| 09:10:28 | Hulex | Okay now an easy question |
| 09:10:32 | Hulex | When something is playing |
| 09:10:38 | Hulex | How do I go back to my ID3 list? |
| 09:10:47 | Hulex | since menu brings up options |
| 09:10:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | While in WPS, just tap Select. |
| 09:11:06 | Jungti1234 | Then, do I change it? |
| 09:11:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: You cannot right now |
| 09:11:30 | Jungti1234 | Because I don't know C? |
| 09:11:30 | Hulex | oh |
| 09:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hulex: That, and other useful tidbits can be found within the manual and FAQ that many have generously contributed to. |
| 09:11:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: Pretty much. |
| 09:11:54 | Jungti1234 | haha, what's mean 'Pretty' |
| 09:12:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: It's a phrase meaning "What you said means the same thing as what was said before" |
| 09:12:55 | Jungti1234 | I know its meaning is 'beauty'. |
| 09:13:14 | sharpe | hooray for different contexts |
| 09:14:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: The word "pretty" on its own means beauty, yes, but the phrase "pretty much" usually means "What you said is mostly correct" or "What you said is the same as what I tried to say" |
| 09:14:17 | Jungti1234 | ok. |
| 09:14:28 | Jungti1234 | english is difficult.... |
| 09:14:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is unfortunate. |
| 09:15:05 | Jungti1234 | why.. hehe :) |
| 09:15:20 | Jungti1234 | ah, |
| 09:15:30 | Jungti1234 | I make WPS using my H300. |
| 09:16:06 | Jungti1234 | Use text editer and rock paint... |
| 09:16:22 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 09:17:49 | Jungti1234 | So, I feel much discomfort. |
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| 09:20:09 | excitatory | lol |
| 09:22:07 | excitatory | Jungti1234: yes, english is quite the joke. |
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| 09:32:47 | Gnelik | LinusN: Do you work on Sansa port or Badger only do? |
| 09:33:14 | LinusN | only bagder atm |
| 09:33:16 | Gnelik | sory |
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| 09:38:32 | JdGordon | morning LinusN, can i bug you for a bit? |
| 09:39:14 | Jungti1234 | in, out, in, out, in, out.... |
| 09:40:04 | LinusN | Jungti1234: hehe, i'm reconfiguring my irc client |
| 09:40:09 | LinusN | JdGordon: bug me |
| 09:40:34 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:41:13 | JdGordon | do you tihnk we can do the wps keys in a seperate button list? because the buttons there really dont mesh well between the targets |
| 09:42:09 | JdGordon | also, iv dont the action stuff for the colour picker screen which used the ipod slider for left/right instead of updown and its not complicated at all, if you want to see the diff |
| 09:42:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: so the wps would use its own action list? |
| 09:43:23 | JdGordon | ye, well actually im still not sure, i need someone elses head thinking about it also :D |
| 09:43:45 | JdGordon | i mean, the main problem is the action names really dont fit the wps |
| 09:44:01 | JdGordon | and i guess its such a large part it would be ok? |
| 09:44:14 | LinusN | well, shouldn't there be actions like ACTION_NEXT_TRACK etc? |
| 09:44:33 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_cp.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_cp.diff shows how to use non standard keys |
| 09:45:24 | JdGordon | yes, but its either done like #define ACTION_NEXT_TRACK ACTION_RIGHT_OK or redefined in a new list, i tinhk the 2nd is better tho |
| 09:46:21 | LinusN | ACTION_RIGHT_OK? |
| 09:46:51 | JdGordon | a more generic version of right.. |
| 09:47:33 | * | JdGordon thinks the directions should be named, even if not all targets have them |
| 09:48:11 | LinusN | but shouldn't ACTION_OK be a separate action? |
| 09:48:48 | JdGordon | i guess its like a "soft" OK, on iriver there is 3 different OK actions |
| 09:49:12 | JdGordon | the right arrow being the soft one, select and on being more "forced" i guess.. i cant tihnk of a better word |
| 09:49:48 | LinusN | maybe we should take a step back and thing again about what problems we want to solve here |
| 09:49:52 | LinusN | think |
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| 09:50:35 | LinusN | one problem is the various _PRE crappo stuff |
| 09:50:59 | LinusN | another is the various remote control button maps |
| 09:51:34 | LinusN | and then we have the huge #ifdef lumps in each file for the button mapping |
| 09:51:57 | LinusN | did i forget anything? |
| 09:52:07 | JdGordon | no, i dont think so |
| 09:52:42 | LinusN | i think we need to define exactly what an "action" is here |
| 09:52:57 | JdGordon | this solves the remote by having a seperate list for each remote and having a global variable which can be set at runtime for which remote is being used, so thats fine |
| 09:53:39 | LinusN | but won't we have to duplicate the entire default action list then? |
| 09:54:03 | JdGordon | only the buttons that are different |
| 09:54:26 | LinusN | i don't understand |
| 09:54:39 | JdGordon | you'd have 4 lists for remotes, the default one, then 1 for each that changes the defualt keys. |
| 09:55:27 | JdGordon | dw about that for the time being, thats the eaisest part once we have _something_ implemented... |
| 09:55:29 | LinusN | so there are actually two default action lists, one for the remote and one for the main unit? |
| 09:55:38 | JdGordon | ye |
| 09:55:43 | JdGordon | no |
| 09:55:48 | JdGordon | well.. either way :p |
| 09:56:17 | LinusN | nm |
| 09:56:36 | LinusN | so, what is an "action" in your concept? |
| 09:57:31 | JdGordon | I've tryed to make them what the code throughout the core actually does with the buttons. |
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| 09:58:13 | JdGordon | so almost all the button loops have a _EXIT define which ive turned into an action, most often this is the off button |
| 09:58:17 | JdGordon | etc |
| 09:58:56 | LinusN | iirc, when we discussed this concept at devcon, we imagined actions like NEXT_TRACK, CANCEL, PLAY etc |
| 09:59:22 | Bg3r | LinusN: but the actions are different in the different screen contexts ... |
| 09:59:25 | JdGordon | the problem with that is the english doesnt fit. why would you check for NEXT_TRACK in the menu context? |
| 09:59:41 | LinusN | yes, i see the problem |
| 09:59:48 | JdGordon | the easy way is to just #define NEXT_TRACK ACTION_RIGHT |
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| 10:00:18 | Bg3r | i think it'll be more apropriate to have a new action list for the WPS |
| 10:01:03 | JdGordon | it would also make things easier, becuase in the menu it doesnt need to wait for the release before triggering a direction like it does in the wps |
| 10:01:04 | LinusN | the idea is of course to have as few special cases in the code as possible |
| 10:01:20 | JdGordon | LinusN: 2 cases, WPS and everywhere else |
| 10:01:23 | hardeep | why would the menu have a NEXT_TRACK action? |
| 10:01:35 | hardeep | shouldn't we decouple actions from buttons? |
| 10:01:37 | JdGordon | hardeep: thats what im saying, it wouldnt |
| 10:01:53 | hardeep | JdGordon: i don't understand the problem you're describing though |
| 10:01:59 | hardeep | how would it ever be an option in the menu? |
| 10:02:05 | Bg3r | LinusN: really, we can't know what the manufacturers of the next rockbox target will chose for volume up |
| 10:02:06 | LinusN | so how do we decouple actions from buttons in a generic way? |
| 10:02:08 | Bg3r | (for example) |
| 10:02:11 | Bg3r | what key |
| 10:02:34 | hardeep | so, wps context has a NEXT_TRACK action but tree, menu etc. doesn't |
| 10:02:46 | JdGordon | my idea only allows each button combo to return one value, so either NEXT_TRACK and ACTION_RIGHT are given the same value, or you have to check for NEXT_TRACK in the menu which makes it difficult to read |
| 10:02:46 | LinusN | or are we talking about generic buttons instead of "actions" |
| 10:02:47 | LinusN | ? |
| 10:03:19 | hardeep | but RIGHT isn't an "action", it's a button pressed to invoke an action |
| 10:03:45 | LinusN | back to my original question, what exactly is an "action"? |
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| 10:04:31 | Bg3r | hardeep: RIGHT can be an action in the plugins |
| 10:04:35 | hardeep | imo, an action should be the commands available in a particular context |
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| 10:04:52 | hardeep | like you said earier, NEXT, PLAY, CANCEL etc. |
| 10:04:55 | JdGordon | hardeep: while keeping them generic as possible.. you cant win everywhere.. (unfortunatly) |
| 10:05:13 | hardeep | JdGordon: i'm not saying make them generic... they should be specific to a context |
| 10:05:20 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:05:23 | hardeep | there are some actions that span contexts |
| 10:05:30 | hardeep | but most will be specific |
| 10:05:35 | Bg3r | but in fact we don't have so many contexts |
| 10:05:42 | LinusN | ok, so each screen would define the action list, much like we do today? |
| 10:05:49 | JdGordon | LinusN: you did forget 1 thing we want to fix, having to define buttons everywhere |
| 10:06:01 | hardeep | btw, one extra "requirement" i'd like to propose is the possibility of user defined button mappings |
| 10:06:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, but maybe we can't solve that |
| 10:06:11 | JdGordon | we want to get rid of as many contexts as possible |
| 10:06:32 | LinusN | hardeep: yes, we might want to make that possible |
| 10:06:54 | Bg3r | hardeep: afaics the JdGordon's idea allows this |
| 10:07:00 | JdGordon | it does |
| 10:07:13 | hardeep | not if we define an ACTION_RIGHT |
| 10:07:20 | hardeep | unless it's referring to a movement, not a button |
| 10:07:21 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_cp.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_cp.diff shows the ipod keys being redefined for that one screen |
| 10:08:50 | LinusN | one goal of this exercise is to try to centralize the button mapping |
| 10:09:22 | LinusN | i.e not have to edit 17 files with button maps when we add a new target |
| 10:09:36 | hardeep | definitely |
| 10:10:07 | LinusN | i guess this is where the default action list comes in |
| 10:10:07 | JdGordon | that is addressed by my code 99%, i added the recorder keypad and it worked pretty much as soon as the list was added |
| 10:10:53 | JdGordon | the question is is seperating the wps list from the rest acceptable? |
| 10:11:16 | LinusN | JdGordon: the plugins are the worst culprits when it comes to key mapping |
| 10:11:35 | JdGordon | i agree |
| 10:11:55 | LinusN | JdGordon: i believe the wps, the fm screen and the recording screen will have separate maps |
| 10:12:03 | JdGordon | but this should move easily to the plugins, so i dont tihnk it will be a problem |
| 10:12:31 | JdGordon | so 4 different default lists then? (*2 for targets with remote?) |
| 10:13:35 | JdGordon | @ 12bytes / item.. its all gonna add up pretty quicky... |
| 10:14:00 | LinusN | yup |
| 10:15:10 | JdGordon | maybe then the best thing is to cheat and redefine some values to give them better names for the wps/fm/rec contexts? |
| 10:15:29 | LinusN | that's not cheating imo |
| 10:15:49 | LinusN | each action should have a name that fits the context |
| 10:16:32 | LinusN | in my world, there would be a huge list of possible actions |
| 10:17:15 | LinusN | and the action list just tells which button combo triggers which action |
| 10:17:49 | JdGordon | hows this look? (the action list enum) |
| 10:17:51 | JdGordon | /* directions */ |
| 10:17:51 | JdGordon | ACTION_UP_PREV, |
| 10:17:51 | JdGordon | ACTION_WPS_VOLUP = ACTION_UP_PREV, |
| 10:17:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 10:17:51 | JdGordon | ACTION_DOWN_NEXT, |
| 10:17:52 | JdGordon | ACTION_WPS_VOLDOWN = ACTION_DOWN_NEXT, |
| 10:17:57 | JdGordon | ... |
| 10:18:20 | LinusN | i'd rather have separate values for every action |
| 10:19:11 | JdGordon | then we need a better way to return a value. maybe we limit the values to 0-511 and then we can store 4 values for 4 different contexts in the one int? |
| 10:19:15 | Bg3r | why "ACTION_UP_PREV" ? |
| 10:19:19 | JdGordon | list |
| 10:19:45 | LinusN | my idea is to have separate lists for each context |
| 10:20:08 | LinusN | with each action having a unique value |
| 10:20:12 | JdGordon | I like that also, but that will hit the ram usage.. |
| 10:20:31 | LinusN | why? |
| 10:20:48 | JdGordon | isnt the array loaded into ram? |
| 10:20:52 | LinusN | each action list would only contain the actions for that context |
| 10:21:55 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 10:22:03 | JdGordon | wont they need to be static struct blaa = {..}; and isnt that loaded into ram anyway? |
| 10:22:37 | LinusN | yes, but why would the ram usage be higher because the action id's are unique? |
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| 10:24:14 | JdGordon | becuase all the buttons need to be redefined... |
| 10:24:25 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 10:24:44 | JdGordon | how about this? #define RETVAL(s,w,f,r) ((s&0xff000000)&(w&0x00ff0000)&(f&0x0000ff00)&(r&0x000000ff)) and then you pass the context to the functoin and it will return the code for that combo for that context? |
| 10:24:59 | JdGordon | s == standard, w = wps, f = fm, r = rec |
| 10:25:27 | LinusN | that would be hard to extend with new contexts |
| 10:25:41 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 10:26:11 | LinusN | ok, so what we have now is a mechanism that at least cleans up the _PRE mess |
| 10:26:36 | JdGordon | and centralises most button mapping |
| 10:26:54 | JdGordon | and removes 99% of the #ifdefs in button loops |
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| 10:27:43 | LinusN | can i see the entire patch again? |
| 10:27:52 | JdGordon | sure, 1 min |
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| 10:28:39 | LinusN | i'm thinking about the ACTION_UP_PREV action in your color slider example |
| 10:29:15 | LinusN | can we be sure that UP and PREV are the same action on all targets? |
| 10:29:17 | JdGordon | actually, why are we worrying about mem usage? 12b* lets say 100 buttons over the whole code? even with 4 contexts.. thats still less than 2kb "wasted" |
| 10:29:39 | JdGordon | we cant be sure about anything, but its easy to fix if they arnt |
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| 10:29:48 | LinusN | i'm more worried about looping through huge lists for every button press' |
| 10:30:24 | sharpe | lists are always fun. |
| 10:30:44 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_changes.patch |
| 10:31:25 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, that is bad, but if the 100 buttons are split then its only 25 in each list, which is much nicer |
| 10:31:40 | JdGordon | and if its the same as the prev button then it jumps to that item anyway |
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| 10:32:12 | JdGordon | there is some comments in that patch now btw :) |
| 10:34:26 | LinusN | let's go back to ACTION_UP_PREV |
| 10:34:40 | LinusN | what exactly is that action supposed to mean? |
| 10:35:21 | LinusN | is it the action to use when moving the cursor in a menu? |
| 10:35:28 | JdGordon | ye |
| 10:35:53 | LinusN | ok, so on the archos player, it would be defined as: |
| 10:36:14 | LinusN | BUTTON_LEFT, ACTION_UP_PREV |
| 10:36:49 | LinusN | since there are no UP/DOWN buttons on the player |
| 10:37:05 | JdGordon | umm.. hmm |
| 10:37:37 | JdGordon | damn, the player is severly short of buttons :p |
| 10:37:41 | LinusN | yes |
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| 10:38:02 | hardeep | what's wrong with calling it ACTION_MENU_PREV ? |
| 10:38:18 | LinusN | hardeep: that's where i am going :-) |
| 10:38:45 | LinusN | my idea is having unique action id's for all actions |
| 10:38:51 | man_in_shack | http://qdb.us/61757 << wheee |
| 10:38:54 | hardeep | LinusN: the only negative to the idea you proposed (which i wholeheartedly agree with btw) is memory, which doesn't seem all that significant |
| 10:39:08 | JdGordon | that means then that on targets like h300 you lwill lose the multiple options for some actions (going into a menu for example) |
| 10:39:27 | LinusN | no |
| 10:39:29 | hardeep | JdGordon: how so? |
| 10:39:47 | LinusN | you just define several button combos that trigger the same action |
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| 10:40:07 | * | JdGordon is a dill, yes your 100% correct |
| 10:41:36 | JdGordon | losing the direction acions would mean more places would be adding their own keys tho, maybe its better to treat the player as a special case where the default actions are no good? |
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| 10:42:13 | hardeep | what's wrong with adding their own keys? |
| 10:42:27 | JdGordon | we want to centralize the key defines |
| 10:43:02 | JdGordon | we either lose that or bring back #ifdefs :'( |
| 10:43:06 | LinusN | i'm beginning to think that we won't be able to centralize it very well |
| 10:43:07 | hardeep | we can still centralize it |
| 10:43:21 | * | JdGordon is gonna have a crack at doing the player keys |
| 10:43:31 | JdGordon | should you guys be working or something? :D |
| 10:43:44 | hardeep | i don't understand why this would prevent centralization |
| 10:43:58 | hardeep | it would prevent common actions across contexts, but we can still centralize where all actions are defined |
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| 10:44:28 | LinusN | hardeep: i guess you mean having all actions for all contexts in one file? |
| 10:44:38 | hardeep | LinusN: yes |
| 10:44:42 | LinusN | as one list per context |
| 10:44:46 | hardeep | yes |
| 10:44:51 | LinusN | i'm with you |
| 10:45:17 | LinusN | then there is only one thing left to solve, and that is the plugins |
| 10:45:35 | JdGordon | how are plugins a problem? |
| 10:45:36 | LinusN | each plugin is a context of its own |
| 10:45:47 | JdGordon | they could use the standard context or make their own |
| 10:45:48 | hardeep | it would have to be, but not in our central list |
| 10:46:00 | hardeep | it could be defined in the plugin itself |
| 10:46:19 | LinusN | so each plugin would still have to be edited when we add a new target |
| 10:46:31 | JdGordon | not nescacerily |
| 10:46:31 | linuxstb | We could have the contexts in the plugin lib - and a new plugin would either choose an existing one from there, or add a new one. |
| 10:46:52 | JdGordon | why couldnt the plugins use the standard context? |
| 10:47:03 | hardeep | depends on the plugin |
| 10:47:11 | hardeep | games are usually non-standard for instance |
| 10:47:12 | JdGordon | with some #defininng to make thing snnicer to the coder |
| 10:47:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, they could also choose a standard context if that's appropriate. |
| 10:47:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb makes a good point, we can have a plugin context in the libs for them |
| 10:48:15 | linuxstb | Or have a "base context", that they extend. e.g. games which need four directions of movement, plus "action" could use a context for that, etc. |
| 10:49:16 | JdGordon | yup |
| 10:49:42 | JdGordon | so, we get rid of the left/right actions because they are just duplicating other actions? |
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| 10:51:04 | linuxstb | I agree with hardeep that "left/right" are rarely actions - unless you're moving something around the screen. |
| 10:51:28 | Bg3r | but they are suitable for the plugins |
| 10:51:48 | linuxstb | Some plugins, yes - those are the cases where you are actually moving something around the screen. |
| 10:52:53 | hardeep | i have a feeling that going through the plugins will show that there are only a handful of different actions being used |
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| 10:53:14 | JdGordon | ye, plugins wont cause much of a problem |
| 10:53:31 | hardeep | so we could even define the 3-4 different contexts inside the pluglin lib and let those be used |
| 10:53:37 | linuxstb | Exactly. |
| 10:53:48 | hardeep | as linuxstb suggested... =) |
| 10:54:09 | hardeep | i can't think of any offhand that do anything really funky |
| 10:54:40 | hardeep | maybe doom/rockboy |
| 10:54:45 | linuxstb | What about plugins that use button_status() instead of the button events? |
| 10:55:15 | linuxstb | i.e. doom/rockboy :) |
| 10:55:36 | linuxstb | And I think pacbox does as well. Because they're emulating other button hardware. |
| 10:55:38 | * | JdGordon never intended of removing the lowlevel button stuff, so its still there if they need it |
| 10:56:12 | aliask | Yeah, I certainly think there should still be the option to be specific about what buttons to use. |
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| 10:58:18 | LinusN | i don't think we can solve all problems with button mapping in the plugins |
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| 10:58:31 | LinusN | i'm happy if we solve 70% of them |
| 10:58:47 | LinusN | btw, many plugins have their own menus |
| 10:59:02 | hardeep | only ones that use button_status() are brickmaina, wav2wv, doom, packbox and rockboy |
| 10:59:03 | linuxstb | That's a pet-hate of mine... |
| 10:59:06 | LinusN | using the rockbox menus for that would solve many mappings automagically |
| 10:59:16 | LinusN | linuxstb: amen |
| 10:59:21 | JdGordon | ok, so now i have a problem... Iv removed the left/right actions, now, in the colour picker it actually does need a left/right action, when this sort of thing happens do we use the ACTION_USER+x value? #define our value? or put it in the value list? |
| 10:59:32 | sharpe | i have nothing to do. i'm rewriting paging code. gah. |
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| 11:00:06 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You don't need left/right in the colour picker - you have something like "increment slider", "decrement slider" |
| 11:00:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: well, that would apply to the eq as well, wouldn't it? |
| 11:00:23 | LinusN | linuxstb: exactly |
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| 11:01:06 | linuxstb | And the "next list item", "previous list item" actions choose the different sliders. |
| 11:01:09 | Bg3r | the same keys as the ones in the settings |
| 11:01:10 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ah, but if we add increment/decremenet we cant use the left/right buttons in the menus anymore, because they are mapped to select and cancel |
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| 11:01:42 | linuxstb | Isn't a screen with a list of sliders a different context to the menu? |
| 11:01:45 | LinusN | JdGordon: they are not the same contexts |
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| 11:02:25 | LinusN | JdGordon: with this concept, we would have plenty of contexts |
| 11:02:27 | JdGordon | then there is going to be way too many contexts that it almost defeats the purpose of the whole thing |
| 11:02:41 | LinusN | i beg to differ |
| 11:02:55 | JdGordon | your the boss :D |
| 11:03:44 | LinusN | with this concept, we would have a huge file with all the different action lists for each context in rockbox |
| 11:03:58 | LinusN | but it would be centralized |
| 11:04:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rather than button mappings split across tons of files. |
| 11:04:19 | JdGordon | ok, i get ya |
| 11:04:38 | LinusN | another benefit is that each list would be rather small |
| 11:05:07 | JdGordon | and there would be one central list of action values which would be huge? |
| 11:05:24 | LinusN | those are only #define's |
| 11:05:25 | linuxstb | As an incremental way of implementing this, how about taking all the existing button definitions - tree.h, list.h, wps.h etc etc and putting them in one central .h file? We could then try and refine that list, removing any duplication. After that, convert them to contexts and actions. |
| 11:05:50 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes |
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| 11:06:14 | * | JdGordon sort of did that ages ago, first message in the mailing list has that list |
| 11:06:19 | JdGordon | but some may have changed |
| 11:06:28 | LinusN | i think that is a way forward |
| 11:06:56 | LinusN | only one thing to consider: how can we allow user defined buttons? |
| 11:07:25 | LinusN | can you say "can of worms"? :-) |
| 11:07:32 | hardeep | i think that would be phase 2 =) adding this mechanism would make it possible |
| 11:07:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't allow user defined buttons for an action. |
| 11:07:40 | _FireFly_ | for this we would need an array with the current button mapping which can be changed |
| 11:07:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Allow user defined actions for a button. |
| 11:08:21 | JdGordon | we should still have a standad set of actions to stop having to define the same keys over and over again |
| 11:08:25 | * | linuxstb shudders |
| 11:08:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it'd be like a custom context.. |
| 11:08:40 | * | JdGordon doubts custom keys would work |
| 11:08:42 | LinusN | JdGordon: i fear that this standard set would be rather small |
| 11:08:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't really like the idea of custom keys anyway. |
| 11:09:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Outside of, if there is a one button queue choice, to allow toggle between queue and insert. |
| 11:09:14 | LinusN | to quote bagder: "you'll drag me kicking and screaming into that mess" |
| 11:09:15 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: i can't believe you, of all people, is saying that considering all the forum questions about it =) |
| 11:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: I'm FIRMLY against Record being one-button queue. |
| 11:10:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: I'm not so much against making the Select/NAVI and Right buttons do different things when you hit them on a file. |
| 11:10:13 | hardeep | hehe, I see no reason for letting people do that if they want |
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| 11:10:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think Record should have a set function, whatever it ends up being, instead of being treated as an up for grabs button. |
| 11:11:02 | hardeep | well, i'm all for making all the buttons up for grabs, not just rec |
| 11:11:19 | hardeep | if someone wants up to go down in tree, why not! |
| 11:11:36 | JdGordon | hardeep: there is an optoin for that.. |
| 11:11:40 | LinusN | hardeep: my main argument against user-defined buttons is that it is a nightmare to support |
| 11:11:52 | JdGordon | dinner time, back in a while |
| 11:11:56 | hardeep | LinusN: yeah, that's definitely something to consider |
| 11:12:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | My main argument against it is exactly the same as LinusN's. |
| 11:12:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;) |
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| 11:12:22 | safetydan | the filename length limit of 255 is inherent to FAT right? |
| 11:12:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But really, it also seems like a good way to complicate the code for very little gain. |
| 11:13:26 | hardeep | i think it's one of those things that someone can experiment with, knowing that there's no guarantee it'll make it into cvs |
| 11:13:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, everything is one of those. :) |
| 11:14:19 | hardeep | the mechanism that everyone's proposing for handling buttons will allow it which is the important thing |
| 11:15:51 | LinusN | safetydan: yes |
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| 11:16:26 | safetydan | righto then |
| 11:16:34 | hardeep | i think it might be all windows filesystems... i hit the limit on my ntfs partition |
| 11:16:48 | LinusN | hardeep: i suppose so |
| 11:20:00 | hardeep | interesting, ext2 and ext3 also have the same limit |
| 11:20:12 | hardeep | reiser is 4k |
| 11:21:39 | safetydan | 255 chars should be enough for anyone :) |
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| 11:23:14 | sharpe | 640k should be enough. :D |
| 11:23:25 | hardeep | actually, 255 bytes, not chars |
| 11:24:00 | safetydan | point |
| 11:24:56 | hardeep | sorry, just reading the wiki page on filesystems, surprisingly interesting =) |
| 11:25:02 | safetydan | I wonder if it would be easier to use UTF-16/UCS-2 internally in Rockbox since most strings then would be a fixed number of bytes |
| 11:25:28 | safetydan | nah, probably too much memory wastage for the normal case |
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| 12:10:24 | JdGordon | LinusN, linuxstb, Bg3r, hardeep, something like this perhaps for each target? jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/keyconfig-h1x0_h3x0.h">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/keyconfig-h1x0_h3x0.h ? |
| 12:12:59 | Bg3r | do we need to distinguish remote from the main ? |
| 12:13:31 | LinusN | i think we do |
| 12:13:42 | LinusN | not sure though |
| 12:13:42 | JdGordon | most of the time no |
| 12:14:08 | Bg3r | yep, *most* of the time... |
| 12:14:19 | JdGordon | bye bye ACTION_RC then :p |
| 12:14:46 | Bg3r | switch (get_action()){ ACTION_SELECT: ACTION_RC_SELECT: blabla ; break; blabla } |
| 12:14:49 | LinusN | sound reasonable |
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| 12:16:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: this looks almost exactly what i had in mind |
| 12:16:13 | Bg3r | someone who thinks that we will see different screens (like plugin on the main, wps on the remote) on the 2 displays in the near future ? |
| 12:16:29 | Bg3r | yep |
| 12:16:40 | Bg3r | except that the 2 vars are with the same name ;) |
| 12:16:47 | LinusN | yes, i saw that too |
| 12:16:49 | JdGordon | Bg3r: the vkeyboard is a good example of 2 diff screens |
| 12:17:04 | JdGordon | fixed |
| 12:17:31 | Bg3r | JdGordon: 2 different screens ? |
| 12:17:34 | JdGordon | its still gonna suck adding a new target, but it will suck alot less :p |
| 12:17:35 | JdGordon | yup |
| 12:18:02 | JdGordon | so depending on which display u press a button youll get a different char added to the text |
| 12:18:10 | * | Bg3r hasn't used his h340 since 8th of july ... broken earbuds |
| 12:19:11 | Bg3r | vkeyboard is a context which needs ACTION_UP/ACTION_RIGHT etc ... :) |
| 12:19:27 | JdGordon | would it be ok to do static struct button_code button_context_wps[] = NULL; for targets that the standard one is fine to make coding the loop easier? |
| 12:20:28 | JdGordon | or even better change the NULL to {} or is that naughty? |
| 12:21:01 | Bg3r | i don't think u can assign NULL to an array |
| 12:21:36 | LinusN | you can't use the default mapping anyway |
| 12:21:52 | LinusN | it doesn't contain the ACTION_WPS_* actions |
| 12:21:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Doesn't the list code do different things for "NEXT" and "NEXT|REPEAT" ? i.e. it won't wrap on a REPEAT event. |
| 12:22:13 | Bg3r | JdGordon: what happens when u plug the h300 remote with this list ? |
| 12:22:31 | Bg3r | linuxstb: ah, yes |
| 12:22:45 | JdGordon | LinusN: that was a bad example, ignore the _wps part... |
| 12:22:52 | JdGordon | linuxstb: damn, yes your right |
| 12:23:13 | JdGordon | Bg3r: dunno, havnt actually compiled it with rc support yet |
| 12:23:30 | Bg3r | JdGordon: i mean |
| 12:23:38 | Bg3r | how would the code change this mapping |
| 12:24:04 | JdGordon | should the get_action button have a int* param so the caller can get the raw button code if they want to check things like REPEAT ? |
| 12:24:24 | JdGordon | which mapping? |
| 12:24:58 | Bg3r | JdGordon: for example this button_context_standard is suited for h100 remote |
| 12:25:09 | Bg3r | we need other mapping button->action for the h300 remote |
| 12:26:10 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Or maybe have extra actions - e.g. ACTION_NEXT and ACTION_REPEATED_NEXT. Most of the time, repeat is just checked to identify long presses. |
| 12:26:45 | LinusN | i'd go for the extra actions |
| 12:27:16 | JdGordon | oh, right, i tinhk it will need a different remote list for each remote that has all the changed button codes for all the different contexts and then the one to use can be chosen at runtime |
| 12:27:44 | JdGordon | ok, more actions it is.. |
| 12:27:55 | Bg3r | JdGordon: or a possibility to change the mappings ... |
| 12:28:57 | JdGordon | either would work.. you can change a static array cant you? |
| 12:29:06 | Bg3r | yes, u can |
| 12:29:26 | Bg3r | except if it's const |
| 12:31:10 | JdGordon | ok, so shouldnt be a problem |
| 12:31:50 | Bg3r | yep |
| 12:32:24 | Bg3r | JdGordon: but ... |
| 12:32:53 | JdGordon | no buts.. one thing at a time |
| 12:32:59 | JdGordon | :D |
| 12:33:09 | Bg3r | how would this deal with the wps-a sh.itty combos ... |
| 12:33:29 | Bg3r | like short - long |
| 12:33:37 | Bg3r | for next dir |
| 12:34:11 | linuxstb | Get rid of them :) |
| 12:34:18 | Bg3r | hehe :) |
| 12:34:28 | linuxstb | Isn't there an alternative anyway? |
| 12:34:30 | Bg3r | linuxstb: this would be a feature, yep ?:) |
| 12:35:00 | Bg3r | i don't know for such ... |
| 12:35:15 | Bg3r | hm |
| 12:35:40 | Bg3r | maybe we can just change it with (for the irivers) play + next ? |
| 12:36:22 | linuxstb | But that wouldn't be so good on other targets with fewer buttons. Although it could just be a context menu option. |
| 12:38:09 | JdGordon | which option? |
| 12:38:21 | JdGordon | next dir, ah |
| 12:38:24 | Bg3r | ok, which is the target with least buttons ? |
| 12:38:24 | JdGordon | missed that.. |
| 12:38:32 | Bg3r | JdGordon: yep, a bad one :( |
| 12:38:58 | JdGordon | i love that option, anyway, it doesnt matter if one taregt hasnt got a combo for it, it can still be in the switch with no problems |
| 12:39:42 | Bg3r | seems that players and ondios |
| 12:40:10 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/keyconfig-newtarget.h">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/keyconfig-newtarget.h |
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| 12:41:48 | Bg3r | and recording ;) |
| 12:42:36 | amiconn | Imho the button action concept should achieve two main things: |
| 12:42:47 | linuxstb | Bg3r: And ipods... |
| 12:43:25 | amiconn | (1) less code duplication (the lastbutton and _PRE business). (2) More consistent UI operation, as we're forced to identify all the possible actions |
| 12:44:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: we seem to be sliding away from #2 im afraid (but should be no worse than current) i agree tho on both point |
| 12:44:15 | JdGordon | s |
| 12:44:19 | amiconn | I don't think it will be possible to remove all #ifdefs, but the #ifdefs will become more natural |
| 12:44:33 | amiconn | (just excluding an action that is impossible on a certain target) |
| 12:45:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: why would we slide away from #2? |
| 12:45:11 | amiconn | I don't think we should include impossible actions - it would bloat the code unnecessarily |
| 12:45:36 | amiconn | (1) could even reduce code size a bit, but that's not sure |
| 12:45:40 | JdGordon | LinusN: thats the impressin im getting with the contexts |
| 12:46:22 | LinusN | how would you solve it instead? |
| 12:46:27 | * | JdGordon back in an hour |
| 12:46:28 | amiconn | Ah, and (3) it should allow remapping some buttons depending on the keypad type (different remotes on irivers) |
| 12:46:30 | JdGordon | dunno... |
| 12:46:59 | linuxstb | But at least if all the contexts are defined together in a single file, it's easier to spot inconsistencies. And the fact that we're all thinking about button definitions will clean them up as well. |
| 12:47:53 | amiconn | As far as I followed the discussion, I agree with LinusN that the actions should be "object oriented", i.e. something like LIST_NEXT makes more sense than LIST_DOWN |
| 12:48:11 | linuxstb | Also, I think consistency is more of an issue in plugins, than the core. |
| 12:48:29 | amiconn | Consistency definitely is an issue in the core |
| 12:49:03 | amiconn | Perhaps not with the menus, wps or browser |
| 12:49:44 | amiconn | ...but the radio operation is rather inconsistent |
| 12:50:54 | amiconn | An idea is to make the button action logic table driven (and as far as I followed it is). Then different contexts just mean switching the table, and different remotes mean switching another table |
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| 12:51:41 | LinusN | amiconn: exactly |
| 12:54:18 | amiconn | I don't think the player or Ondio keypad are a real problem. They weren't with the old solution, although they're a little difficult |
| 12:55:08 | amiconn | Both have 6 buttons, and while the Ondio keypad looks a bit more logical than the player one, I think it's a bit more difficult to handle |
| 12:55:09 | linuxstb | I haven't thought this through, but how about having a core table of actions, and then a specific context will add more? e.g. if we wanted the record button to always go to the record screen (on such targets), then that could be part of the core actions. A Menu action would always bring up the menu (or quick-exit the menu if you're already there) etc. |
| 12:56:02 | amiconn | (a) The Ondio keypad only has one button really suited for combos (Mode). The player has two (On and Menu) |
| 12:56:59 | amiconn | (although combos should be avoided where possible, because they defeat one-handed operation) |
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| 12:59:14 | amiconn | (b) The Ondio buttons are more fixed in their possible (read: intuitive) mapping, as 4 of them form a "cursor cross" |
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| 13:05:32 | amiconn | The ipods are a different problem. They have one button less than player and Ondio, and even though they have the wheel actions, they're less logical |
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| 13:38:47 | LinusN | wee, i can draw on the x5 remote lcd |
| 13:39:00 | Bg3r | w00t |
| 13:39:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Uh, you wrote the drawing routines? |
| 13:40:13 | LinusN | well, i used (and corrected) the SPI patch from raenye, and just experimented with writing raw data to the gram |
| 13:40:32 | LinusN | the gram format is somewhat silly |
| 13:40:39 | amiconn | Yes I know |
| 13:40:59 | amiconn | The only thing I don't know yet is the actual orientation of the bytes |
| 13:41:16 | amiconn | Horizontal or vertical? Position of the LSB? |
| 13:41:29 | amiconn | I have the controller datasheet |
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| 13:42:07 | amiconn | The data format isn't all that silly, btw. Look at it as 16bit data, and it becomes much more logical |
| 13:42:27 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 13:42:38 | amiconn | FB_DATA will be short for the x5 remote, I think |
| 13:42:42 | LinusN | clever |
| 13:43:09 | * | amiconn already has most of the drawing routines in his head |
| 13:43:53 | LinusN | lsb is the topmost pixel btw |
| 13:44:12 | LinusN | so it's pretty much like the archos lcd |
| 13:44:36 | amiconn | More like H100 main lcd |
| 13:44:55 | amiconn | Okay, so vertical bytes, and LSB at top. Nice. |
| 13:45:17 | amiconn | 2 bytes per pxiel column |
| 13:45:21 | amiconn | *pixel |
| 13:45:53 | amiconn | Vertical bytes and LSB at top will simplify mono bitmap drawing and hence text output |
| 13:46:04 | amiconn | Should be equally fast as H100 main lcd, or even faster |
| 13:46:10 | LinusN | yes, with the first byte having the msb of the pixel value and the second byte is lsb |
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| 13:46:59 | amiconn | Now I'd like a scan of the X5 remote front view... for the sim |
| 13:47:20 | LinusN | ok, i'll see what i can do |
| 13:47:40 | * | JdGordon back |
| 13:47:56 | * | amiconn seems to have gotten a task for this evening :) |
| 13:48:25 | JdGordon | <linuxstb> I haven't thought this through, but how about having a core table of actions, and then a specific context will add more? e.g. if we wanted the record button to always go to the record screen (on such targets), then that could be part of the core actions. <- ye this is what should happen, the problem is defining what these core actions are, and then making sure they wont intefere with other contexts |
| 13:48:28 | amiconn | Luckily the x5 is coldfire, so I can easily check whether the code is efficient or not |
| 13:48:49 | LinusN | i'll commit the low level driver asap |
| 13:48:59 | JdGordon | and the dirwalker patch... :p |
| 13:49:04 | amiconn | lcd-x5-remote.c? |
| 13:49:22 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:49:54 | LinusN | target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/lcd-x5-remote.c i guess |
| 13:50:20 | amiconn | The other one should be called firmware/drivers/lcd-2bit-vert-lace-remote.c if we stick with the current naming scheme |
| 13:50:25 | amiconn | A bit long though... |
| 13:50:34 | LinusN | horrible :-) |
| 13:50:52 | LinusN | but yes, that sounds ok i guess |
| 13:52:01 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems it would make sense to abstract the drawing a bit more, so that we can use the same drawing code for main & remote if they have the same pixel format |
| 13:52:22 | amiconn | But I don't know how to achieve that, without introducing additional code and delays... |
| 13:53:13 | amiconn | A lot of macro magic might help, but I doubt many devs would understand later how it works |
| 13:54:10 | amiconn | *Someone* should also split lcd-recorder.c, lcd-player.c, lcd-h100.c and lcd-h100-remote.c |
| 13:54:36 | * | LinusN looks away |
| 13:55:32 | amiconn | lcd-ipod.c should also be split in 2, maybe lcd-ipod-gray.c and lcd-ipod-color.c |
| 13:55:52 | amiconn | lcd-ipod-video.c is already separate |
| 13:57:52 | amiconn | LinusN: The target tree path for ipods would be firmware/target/arm/ipod/<model> with model={mini2g, video, ...}, right? |
| 13:58:00 | humulus | LinusN: i'll sent my x5l back to amazon they will change it or fix it |
| 13:58:34 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but maybe "apple" instead of "ipod" |
| 13:58:40 | amiconn | Why apple? |
| 13:58:43 | LinusN | humulus: good |
| 13:58:50 | amiconn | iaudio is a product line, not a company? |
| 13:58:59 | LinusN | yes, my mistake |
| 13:59:10 | LinusN | it was supposed to be <manufacturer> |
| 13:59:21 | LinusN | it doesn't really matter |
| 13:59:31 | LinusN | ipod would be fine |
| 13:59:34 | amiconn | Different product lines might need different branches, so imho it's even better to use product lines instead of manufacturers |
| 13:59:40 | LinusN | true |
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| 14:00:01 | amiconn | (thinking about e.g. archos (sh line) and gmini) |
| 14:00:31 | amiconn | ...which leaves us with the problem of the product line name for the old archoses |
| 14:00:54 | amiconn | Maybe just archos, even though it sort of breaks the 'product line' scheme |
| 14:02:06 | amiconn | lcd-ipod-video.c would then reside in ..target/ipod/video/, while lcd-ipod.c (even when split in two) would reside in ..target/ipod/ iiuc |
| 14:02:18 | amiconn | ..as it is used for more than one of the ipod targets |
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| 14:02:47 | barrywardell | does anyone here know about the iaudio x5? |
| 14:03:12 | barrywardell | i was just looking at the hardware specs and think it may have the same lcd as the h10 |
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| 14:04:23 | amiconn | LinusN: correct? |
| 14:05:42 | LinusN | correct |
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| 14:06:17 | LinusN | barrywardell: the x5 has a Renesas HD66773R LCD |
| 14:06:54 | safetydan | woo... nearly to the point I can calculate sunrise, sunset for the day on Rockbox... |
| 14:07:18 | LinusN | amiconn: we could call it "jukebox" instead of "archos", or even "archos_jb" |
| 14:08:36 | barrywardell | LinusN: has it been got to work on the x5? If so, I'll have a look at the rockbox driver |
| 14:09:09 | LinusN | barrywardell: hehe, x5 has been working for quite a while now |
| 14:09:28 | amiconn | LinusN: The Ondio isn't called 'jukebox' |
| 14:09:35 | LinusN | amiconn: damn |
| 14:10:26 | barrywardell | LinusN: great, thanks. hopefully that will make it easier to get the lcd working on the h10 |
| 14:10:35 | Bg3r | what happened with target/<cpu>/ thingy ? |
| 14:10:37 | LinusN | barrywardell: good luck |
| 14:10:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether we should also move code for inactive targets |
| 14:10:57 | LinusN | Bg3r: it's there, it's just amiconn who is lazy at typing |
| 14:11:08 | LinusN | amiconn: gmini? |
| 14:11:11 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:11:23 | Bg3r | then what's the problem ? for example gmini won't be in the sh subtree |
| 14:11:24 | amiconn | Meh, forgot the /cpu/ part :/ |
| 14:11:25 | LinusN | i'm tempted to scrap the gmini |
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| 14:12:08 | amiconn | If we leave it where it is when moving the others, it "taints" the code tree |
| 14:12:32 | amiconn | But moving it also means work, and we don't know whether it will ever get picked up again |
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| 14:12:56 | amiconn | calmrisc is a weird architecture |
| 14:13:07 | amiconn | (harvard) |
| 14:13:22 | amiconn | and not having code RAM doesn't make things easier either |
| 14:13:29 | * | JdGordon is starting to regret starting a wiki page for the action discussion :p |
| 14:13:34 | * | JdGordon hates writing |
| 14:13:59 | markun | the samsung CPUs in the new irivers have a ARM core, CalmRISC core and some DSP unit |
| 14:14:21 | amiconn | markun: Then the calmrisc core *is* the dsp |
| 14:14:27 | markun | ah |
| 14:14:40 | amiconn | But the gmini *only* has a calmrisc core |
| 14:14:53 | amiconn | Think of it as of running rockbox on a dsp... |
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| 14:15:48 | Bg3r | a year-2 ago rockbox run on a dsp |
| 14:15:50 | markun | amiconn: http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/SystemLSI/DigitalMedia/OpticalASSP/OpticalPlayer/MP3/SA58450/SA58450.htm |
| 14:17:28 | amiconn | The MAC2424 belongs to the calmrisc core |
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| 14:17:45 | theprodukkt | hey all |
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| 14:19:56 | theprodukkt | well ive a offtopic question, but i think youre experienced enough to help me :) |
| 14:19:57 | theprodukkt | ok my computer (windows) is connected to the internet through my linux-firewall (a dedicated pc standing in the floor, the distribution is called ipcop) |
| 14:20:32 | midkay | i've seen offtopic before, but... :o |
| 14:21:04 | barrywardell | LinusN: one more thing. any tips on creating a new build target? I edited tools/configure and created config-h10.h |
| 14:21:21 | theprodukkt | now i want a small server running on my ipcop (the firewall) from where i can see which computers (ips) are actually running on my home network, or from where i can start (wake up on lan) some pcs |
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| 14:22:14 | theprodukkt | it would also be nice if i could start some servers on my local pc from that frontend, for example vnc or teamspeak server,.. |
| 14:22:21 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I've just been playing with the Radio and Recording screens on my H140, and I agree that at least the radio screen is very inconsistent with the rest of Rockbox... I had also forgotten about the existence of a "record" button on the H140, and my instinct was to use Play/Pause to start recording (and potentially pause/resume it). |
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| 14:22:40 | theprodukkt | do u have any ideas how i could realize such a project |
| 14:22:44 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Have you edited firmware/export/config.h to include your new config-h10.h file? |
| 14:22:48 | LinusN | barrywardell: maybe it's time for the NewTargetHowto wiki page |
| 14:22:55 | midkay | google, but certainly not here.. |
| 14:23:19 | theprodukkt | i just thought maybe your experienced in that server stuff |
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| 14:23:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: no, didn't know about that |
| 14:23:45 | linuxstb_ | After that, I think it's just a matter of fixing all the compile errors... |
| 14:24:19 | LinusN | barrywardell: what entry did you copy when adding the h10 in tools/configure? |
| 14:24:21 | linuxstb_ | Oh, plus add a new target to tools/scramble.c and change MODEL_NAME and MODEL_NUM in config-h10.h |
| 14:24:30 | midkay | i'm not, and i don't think you'll find much help in here. i've seen plenty of people shunned away even just for asking questions pertaining to DAPs in general.. let alone a home networking project. |
| 14:24:57 | barrywardell | LinusN: I based it mostly off the ipod color and mini1g |
| 14:25:03 | theprodukkt | ok :/ |
| 14:26:02 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Also, config.h will tell you the possible values for some of the #defines you can have in your config-h10.h You'll probably need to add new ones for new hardware - such as the RTC chip, backlight etc. |
| 14:26:04 | theprodukkt | does there exist a offtopic rockboxcommunity channel ;)? |
| 14:27:04 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: just looking through config.h now. I see what you mean |
| 14:27:07 | LinusN | barrywardell: look at the x5 entry and copy the t_cpu, t_manufacturer and t_model entries |
| 14:27:31 | barrywardell | LinusN: i was just about to ask about that. saw something about it in the wiki |
| 14:28:33 | LinusN | barrywardell: it would be awfully nice if you created a PortingHowto wiki page, only with short notes about what files you had to change |
| 14:28:47 | LinusN | i can fill in the rest and make it a howto |
| 14:29:42 | barrywardell | LinusN: will do. i'll try to get things working and then document my work |
| 14:30:00 | LinusN | wonderful |
| 14:30:40 | theprodukkt | cya |
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| 14:31:48 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 14:31:52 | Jungti1234 | I have question |
| 14:32:00 | Febs | I hate it when people use the word "bricked" in the title of forum threads, when their player is not, in fact, bricked. |
| 14:32:32 | midkay | Febs: i heard someone got moderatorship ;) |
| 14:32:36 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox use is unlawfulness? |
| 14:32:51 | LinusN | Jungti1234: no |
| 14:32:57 | Jungti1234 | reason please |
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| 14:33:15 | LinusN | Jungti1234: why do you think it would break the law? |
| 14:33:24 | Jungti1234 | I don't know. |
| 14:33:31 | LinusN | then why do you ask? |
| 14:33:34 | Jungti1234 | Some Korean's ideas. |
| 14:33:52 | LinusN | ask him why he think it would be unlawful |
| 14:34:08 | Jungti1234 | and? |
| 14:34:23 | Galois | I can see why someone might think rockbox is illegal. It's superficially similar to (say) modding game consoles, which some say is illegal. |
| 14:34:25 | * | midkay is slightly amused. |
| 14:34:41 | midkay | illegal why? it's yours, you own it.. |
| 14:34:52 | Galois | well, yes, you're the preacher and I'm the choir here |
| 14:34:56 | LinusN | Jungti1234: just let him explain why he think it would be unlawful, and then we can answer him |
| 14:34:58 | Galois | I'm just saying, other people are weird |
| 14:35:04 | midkay | *shrugs* |
| 14:35:08 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 14:35:13 | midkay | no idea on if it is or not, i just think it shouldn't be regardless :) |
| 14:35:50 | Galois | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modding |
| 14:35:59 | Jungti1234 | um...... use iriver's firmware to iriver player. |
| 14:36:20 | Jungti1234 | iriver player made by iriver. |
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| 14:36:52 | midkay | iriver player bought by user, user do what user want with iriver player :) |
| 14:36:56 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox is firmware that they don't recognize. |
| 14:37:14 | Jungti1234 | ah, midkay.... |
| 14:37:20 | * | midkay waves |
| 14:37:21 | Jungti1234 | yes yes.. |
| 14:37:26 | midkay | .. yes? |
| 14:37:49 | Jungti1234 | You are right. |
| 14:38:32 | midkay | i'd think so.. can't say for sure. |
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| 14:38:57 | Jungti1234 | I think..... you're right. :) |
| 14:39:26 | midkay | :) |
| 14:41:04 | LinusN | Jungti1234: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ#Is_this_legal_I_mean_I_d_just_ha |
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| 14:42:13 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 14:42:28 | Jungti1234 | English is much different from Korean. |
| 14:42:52 | Jungti1234 | I'm difficult to understand correct meaning. |
| 14:43:15 | JdGordon | yay, my first real wiki addition :) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonActionIdea nock yourselves out :p |
| 14:43:25 | Jungti1234 | anyway thanks LinusN |
| 14:43:43 | markun | LinusN: by porting rockbox to the Gigabeat we are avoiding the encryption used by the current firmware for all files. Is this a DMCA violation? |
| 14:44:08 | LinusN | as i see it, no |
| 14:44:22 | LinusN | we are not doing it for the purpose of copyright violation |
| 14:44:41 | Galois | you're basically doing what that garage opener company did |
| 14:44:47 | Galois | or the inkjet cartridge refill company |
| 14:44:52 | LinusN | and isn't the dmca an american law? |
| 14:44:54 | Galois | both of which got sued, IIRC |
| 14:45:07 | Galois | and dvd-jon got arrested under american law even though he's norwegian |
| 14:45:21 | LinusN | and then released |
| 14:45:41 | Galois | I think it's legal but will put you in some grief |
| 14:45:58 | LinusN | perhaps |
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| 14:49:05 | LinusN | the garage opener suit was dismissed, because the dmca didn't apply |
| 14:49:49 | LinusN | iirc, interoperability is a legal reason for reverse engineering even in f*scist dmca land |
| 14:50:17 | merbanan | markun: are you breaking the encryption ? |
| 14:50:18 | * | LinusN is starting to sound like bluechip |
| 14:51:30 | markun | merbanan: no |
| 14:52:18 | merbanan | markun: will this port cicumvent copy protection of copy protected files ? |
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| 14:52:53 | merbanan | if not then it should be safe but you never know what new laws they will invent |
| 14:54:07 | barrywardell | linuxstb; you said to add a new target to scramble.c. What does this file do? it looks like it is something to do with building the firmware |
| 14:54:32 | LinusN | barrywardell: scramble.c is used to create the rockbox binary image |
| 14:54:48 | LinusN | which is loaded by the rockbox bootloader |
| 14:55:16 | LinusN | each rockbox target has an id |
| 14:55:37 | LinusN | so the loader won't load a binary for an incompatible target |
| 14:56:27 | Bagder | for mi4-players, we could start off using the built-in loader and use mi4code to create binaries with |
| 14:56:48 | barrywardell | LinusN: ah, ok |
| 14:57:10 | barrywardell | Bagder: so will I just ignore scramble.c for the moment then? |
| 14:57:18 | Bagder | yes, I think so |
| 14:57:27 | Bagder | let's use mi4code instead |
| 14:57:44 | Bagder | configure can be told to use that |
| 14:57:55 | Bagder | I mean when you edit it to add support for H10 |
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| 14:58:46 | barrywardell | Bagder: ok so. |
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| 15:02:55 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 15:03:10 | markun | yes? |
| 15:04:45 | Jungti1234 | If decipher firmware, can get image which is used to firmware? |
| 15:04:46 | markun | if you have a question you can just ask without calling me first |
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| 15:04:52 | Jungti1234 | okok :) |
| 15:05:20 | markun | you want to change the pictures in the firmware? |
| 15:06:04 | Jungti1234 | no, I want to have images(include themes).... |
| 15:06:37 | markun | I think we are talking about the same thing.. |
| 15:06:39 | Jungti1234 | I want to have image of iFP-1000 firmware. |
| 15:07:08 | Jungti1234 | and want to have 'default' theme of E10 firmware |
| 15:07:31 | markun | Jungti1234: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4547.msg42371#msg42371 |
| 15:07:47 | markun | but I cannot help you anymore right now |
| 15:08:38 | Jungti1234 | when can you help me..? :) |
| 15:09:08 | Jungti1234 | If you can help me, I can wait to anytime. |
| 15:16:10 | markun | just try it by yourself. Maybe some other iriver E10 owners want to help you. |
| 15:17:09 | JdGordon | can i put an extern *blaa; in a .h in the apps/ and the actual blaa in a .c in the firmware folder? |
| 15:17:46 | linuxstb_ | Why can't you put them in the same place? |
| 15:18:08 | JdGordon | because im not sure where the best place for it all is.. |
| 15:18:25 | * | JdGordon has buttons on the brain atm. |
| 15:18:56 | linuxstb_ | A .h and .c should be together IMO - either together in apps/ (if the firmware code doesn't need to use it), or in firmware/ if it's needed by the code in firmware. |
| 15:19:39 | JdGordon | if the button lists go in apps it will make a mess of the folder unless it all goes in a new subfolder of apps/? |
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| 15:19:59 | LinusN | how many files would it be? |
| 15:20:11 | JdGordon | 1 for each target didnt we decide? |
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| 15:20:16 | JdGordon | or 1 really long one |
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| 15:23:09 | LinusN | apps/keymaps/*.h maybe? |
| 15:24:30 | JdGordon | k |
| 15:24:54 | Gnelik | Bagder: I have decompiled raw file with IDA but i don't know what help do you need? |
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| 15:31:46 | Jungti1234 | markun |
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| 15:32:11 | Jungti1234 | but I don't know output file extension. |
| 15:32:42 | Jungti1234 | i don't know what its result. |
| 15:39:01 | Jungti1234 | LinusN |
| 15:39:19 | LinusN | yes? |
| 15:39:42 | Jungti1234 | He(asked Rockbox is unlawfulness) speaks. |
| 15:40:07 | Jungti1234 | 'Rockbox isn't hacking?' |
| 15:40:23 | LinusN | no it isn't |
| 15:40:31 | Jungti1234 | then? |
| 15:40:38 | LinusN | it's software development |
| 15:41:02 | LinusN | which in fact is "hacking" to me |
| 15:41:06 | Jungti1234 | doesn't it hack original firmware? |
| 15:41:10 | LinusN | no |
| 15:41:18 | LinusN | we don't use the original firmware |
| 15:41:23 | LinusN | we replace it |
| 15:41:24 | Jungti1234 | bootloader |
| 15:41:56 | LinusN | yes, the bootloader is a grey area, but it would only be illegal if we distribute the patched firmware |
| 15:42:05 | LinusN | which we don't |
| 15:42:11 | Jungti1234 | ah! |
| 15:42:20 | Jungti1234 | :D very good answer |
| 15:42:31 | LinusN | that's why the installation is so cumbersome, with fwpatcher etc |
| 15:44:46 | Jungti1234 | what is grey area? |
| 15:44:49 | Jungti1234 | gray area? |
| 15:45:02 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:45:11 | Jungti1234 | middle area? |
| 15:45:16 | LinusN | sort of |
| 15:47:50 | Jungti1234 | good.. thank you. |
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| 17:34:35 | Gnelik | Whot type of procesor chooze when disasembling decoded mi4 file |
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| 17:35:18 | linuxstb_ | -marm |
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| 17:35:43 | linuxstb_ | The PP5020 has two arm7tdmi cores. |
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| 17:57:48 | ax | man, copying data to my rockbox enabled ipod is amazingly slow |
| 17:58:07 | linuxstb_ | Nano? |
| 17:58:15 | ax | yeah |
| 17:58:25 | Mikachu | boot the stock firmware first |
| 17:58:47 | linuxstb_ | It's a known "feature" of Apple's emergency disk mode (which is what Rockbox reboots you into). As Mikachu said - boot into Apple's firmware first. |
| 17:59:06 | Slasheri | hehe, now i really started to plan some drafts for own coldfire based mp3 player :) probably i am going to not include display at all, instead have a bluetooth module so every operations could be controlled with a mobile phone :) |
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| 18:00:04 | chendo | that'll only market to people who have a mobile phone with bluetooth ;/ |
| 18:00:07 | ax | okay, thanks |
| 18:00:45 | Slasheri | a player with only power switch and nothing else =) would be great for me |
| 18:01:01 | linuxstb_ | Buy an ipod shuffle :) |
| 18:01:04 | Slasheri | but then it needs software for the phone side |
| 18:01:20 | Slasheri | that's not funny, not too powerful cpu and no compiler support.. =) |
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| 18:01:54 | linuxstb_ | Isn't there a generic way to add a menu to a phone via bluetooth - i.e. without any special software on the phone? I remember a winamp plugin related to that... |
| 18:02:14 | Slasheri | no.. at least i have never heard about that |
| 18:02:29 | Slasheri | but should be easy to transfer whole screen bitmap from player to the phone display |
| 18:03:20 | Slasheri | bluetooth should have at least 1 Mbit/s bandwidth |
| 18:05:50 | Slasheri | and then no need to bother about usb bridge for file transfer.. at least not for the first version (wifi would be faster but much more complex to implement) |
| 18:06:50 | amiconn | "at least"? |
| 18:07:00 | crwl | that sounds like quite an interesting idea |
| 18:07:04 | crwl | i'd include the USB bridge, though |
| 18:07:11 | amiconn | bluetooth (v1) _brutto data rate is 1MBit - in both directions |
| 18:07:20 | amiconn | ..combined |
| 18:07:25 | Slasheri | yes, that's slow indeed.. |
| 18:07:55 | amiconn | If you want to transfer colour frames, it's indeed slow |
| 18:08:01 | Slasheri | unless mmc is used as storage, but then it would have quite low capacity |
| 18:08:50 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, true |
| 18:09:12 | Slasheri | or then just implement the widgets on the phone side and transfer content only |
| 18:09:48 | linuxstb_ | Or implement the whole UI on the phone side... |
| 18:10:14 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: that would probably work best but i hate symbian programming.. :D |
| 18:10:25 | crwl | do it with j2me then :H |
| 18:10:36 | amiconn | On archos we do slightly more than 1MBit/s transfer to the lcd (even slightly exceeding the lcd controller specs btw), and achieve a bit more than 100fps |
| 18:10:36 | Slasheri | crwl: hehe :) hmm, that sounds better ;) |
| 18:10:46 | amiconn | That's with 112x64 monochrome... |
| 18:11:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm.. then that doesn't sound too bad. could be just enough for a monochrome display :) |
| 18:11:57 | Slasheri | btw, the coldfire chips are very cheap, 21e for the 140 MHz version |
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| 18:17:57 | goffa | does rb support pcm? |
| 18:19:42 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean? |
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| 18:21:36 | Jungti1234 | pcm type? |
| 18:21:46 | goffa | well... does it play .pcm files |
| 18:22:52 | linuxstb_ | To be honest, I'm not sure what a .pcm file is. If it's just raw uncompressed PCM audio, then it's bit tricky to do anything with it without a header describing the format. |
| 18:23:13 | goffa | yeah.. that's what it is |
| 18:23:30 | goffa | but i think it has a header |
| 18:23:32 | goffa | i don't need it |
| 18:23:43 | goffa | but have a friend that was asking |
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| 18:23:48 | apo` | :/ My iPod's screen is dying |
| 18:24:11 | linuxstb_ | Assuming there's some kind of header, It should be trivial to add support for it - probably in the WAV codec. |
| 18:24:21 | linuxstb_ | (or a new codec based on the wav one) |
| 18:25:19 | linuxstb_ | goffa: You can tell him/her that Rockbox supports both WAV and AIFF, plus lots of lossless formats such as FLAC, Wavpack, Apple Lossless and Shorten. |
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| 18:46:51 | goffa | yeah |
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| 18:47:06 | goffa | i knew about the rest of it |
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| 19:36:22 | solus | hey |
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| 19:40:20 | solus | how big a risk is it that when trying to install rockbox on my ipod nano, i accidentally corrupt the original firmware and end up not being able to run it at all? |
| 19:41:42 | Quarryman | you can always reinstall the original firmware |
| 19:42:10 | solus | i can get that from apple? |
| 19:43:46 | Galois | if somebody fucks up their nano it's a good bet they'll complain to us. Having said that, in the past six months we know of _one_ person who broke their ipod while installing rockbox, and we suspect the ipod broke because of hardware failure that just happened to coincide with installing rockbox. |
| 19:44:25 | solus | that sounds scary |
| 19:44:41 | solus | when is AAC decoding likely to be finished? |
| 19:44:48 | Galois | one person out of a few thousand is not that great a risk |
| 19:44:57 | solus | no, not really |
| 19:45:03 | Galois | but, its up to you |
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| 19:45:22 | solus | of course it is, I'm just feeling my way around |
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| 19:45:30 | solus | it seems really cool |
| 19:45:45 | solus | the only feature i *need* is the gapless playback |
| 19:45:50 | solus | but all of it is cook |
| 19:45:51 | solus | cool |
| 19:46:23 | k8to_ | it must be hard to do a proper QA of a rockbox release |
| 19:46:23 | Galois | in theory you can always recover the hardware, because 1) rockbox installation only affects the contents of the disk, 2) apple's recovery utility works no matter what's on the disk |
| 19:47:04 | solus | how about that AAC-thing? |
| 19:47:22 | Galois | I have no idea. I do not use AAC. |
| 19:48:29 | solus | ok |
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| 19:49:41 | Galois | I've heard of people accidentally nuking all the music on their ipod, so obviously you should back that up (even though a normal rockbox installation will not nuke your music) |
| 19:50:24 | goffa | yeah... i'd feel totally confident in installing it |
| 19:50:48 | goffa | in fact.. my h140 went TU... i was able to put original firmware back on for warranty |
| 19:52:14 | solus | i keep my music on the computer |
| 19:52:22 | k8to_ | goffa: haha good thing the right part broke |
| 19:52:23 | solus | the ipod only has room for 4G |
| 19:52:31 | solus | TU? |
| 19:52:42 | k8to_ | TU == tits up == british for broken |
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| 19:56:41 | goffa | yeah true k8to_ |
| 19:56:51 | goffa | i don't know about british... i'm from montana :) |
| 19:57:08 | goffa | if it was hard drive i would have just put in a bigger one |
| 19:58:17 | k8to_ | goffa: i'm sure you picked it up from the british isles somehow, perhaps indirectly |
| 19:58:50 | goffa | could be... goff is of welsh descent :) |
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| 20:00:02 | goffa | but people around here use it all the time |
| 20:01:59 | goffa | i just assumed it came from when something died.. like a pig or some animal |
| 20:02:13 | goffa | they are on their back.. thus tits up |
| 20:05:58 | k8to_ | i bet that is true |
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| 20:23:09 | goffa | well... people seem to like this idea... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3298.30 |
| 20:23:19 | goffa | now we just need someone to implement it :) |
| 20:23:40 | goffa | making right queue and play... and navi play |
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| 20:28:04 | goffa | hmm... looks like they couldn't repair my 140.. says pending replacement |
| 20:28:23 | scorche | Bagder: there? |
| 20:29:20 | goffa | new is better |
| 20:30:08 | BigMac | scorche |
| 20:30:32 | BigMac | were can i get an invite to that site its killing me trying to find one.. |
| 20:30:52 | scorche | i dont know...find one |
| 20:31:30 | BigMac | so what was the point of telling me about a site then telling me to go screw myself exactly |
| 20:32:24 | goffa | what site? |
| 20:32:41 | BigMac | i dont think im alowwed to talk about it here |
| 20:33:08 | goffa | heh ok.. you can pm me |
| 20:33:21 | Hulex | Uh |
| 20:33:27 | Hulex | I am question machine :V |
| 20:33:48 | Hulex | Anyway to create/edit playlists through the computer. As in, not the iPod? |
| 20:33:56 | Hulex | rockbox of course. |
| 20:34:04 | scorche | yes |
| 20:34:23 | scorche | .m3u format |
| 20:34:33 | scorche | there are many programs that will write one |
| 20:34:42 | Hulex | Any for Mac? |
| 20:34:50 | scorche | i am sure |
| 20:34:57 | scorche | .m3u is a very common format |
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| 20:35:19 | Hulex | Again, just need more time to tool around with it |
| 20:35:55 | rconan | you can make them by hand easily enough |
| 20:35:56 | goffa | itunes will |
| 20:36:12 | goffa | http://homepage.mac.com/beryrinaldo/AudioTron/Export_Playlist_to_M3U/ |
| 20:36:15 | rconan | m3u files are just lists of relative paths |
| 20:36:26 | Hulex | ooh cool |
| 20:36:31 | Hulex | http://homepage.mac.com/beryrinaldo/AudioTron/Export_Playlist_to_M3U/ this looks helpful |
| 20:36:37 | Hulex | agh |
| 20:36:40 | Hulex | beaten XD |
| 20:36:42 | goffa | :P |
| 20:37:32 | goffa | you still there BigMac? |
| 20:38:14 | BigMac | yessuh |
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| 20:39:06 | goffa | reply to my pm :) |
| 20:39:24 | BigMac | i didn't get one... |
| 20:39:37 | goffa | odd... well send me your email addy |
| 20:40:09 | BigMac | addy? |
| 20:40:15 | BigMac | adress gotcha |
| 20:40:16 | goffa | address |
| 20:40:30 | BigMac | dummeskaninchen@gmail.com |
| 20:40:49 | goffa | check your email |
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| 20:41:11 | goffa | didn't mean for you to post in the chan.. but that works |
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| 20:41:53 | BigMac | ok |
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| 20:43:15 | BigMac | goffa, i know mail on mail relationships may be illegal in some places but i love you:-P |
| 20:47:30 | muesli__ | to love somebody without beeing loved is like answering without being asked :D |
| 20:47:31 | goffa | he he he |
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| 20:49:51 | BigMac | ow that hurt me:_) |
| 20:50:34 | muesli__ | sorry for that :) |
| 20:50:50 | muesli__ | live isnt nice all the time |
| 20:51:24 | amiconn | life |
| 20:51:25 | muesli__ | life..grrr |
| 20:51:43 | muesli__ | tricky word... |
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| 20:54:37 | goffa | late lunch sucks... guess it'll be a short afternoon... 6 mins and i can fire up the bbq |
| 20:56:53 | BigMac | goffa |
| 20:56:59 | goffa | yeah? |
| 20:57:05 | BigMac | on the site mentioned how do i change my profile |
| 20:57:13 | BigMac | nvm |
| 20:57:23 | goffa | ok |
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| 21:01:24 | goffa | well.. bbl.. going afk |
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| 21:22:02 | dan_a | Could someone help me with some programming? Is "ldr r4, =address", "mov r3, #value", "str r3, [r4]" in ARM assembly the same as outl(value, address) in C? |
| 21:24:07 | linuxstb_ | I believe so. |
| 21:24:35 | markun | only if address points to memory mapped IO |
| 21:24:49 | markun | right? |
| 21:25:05 | Lear | Are the build times estimates on the CVS builds page accurate nowadays? |
| 21:25:38 | dan_a | markun: Ah... how would I tell? |
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| 21:26:06 | dan_a | (excuse my ignorance!) |
| 21:26:15 | markun | dan_a: by looking at the documentation. Which CPU is it? |
| 21:26:42 | dan_a | PP5002 - address is 0xcf004058 |
| 21:27:32 | linuxstb_ | http://ipodlinux.org/PP5002 |
| 21:27:44 | markun | 0xcf004058 sleep COP |
| 21:27:59 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Are you looking at Rockbox, or disassembling retailos? |
| 21:28:13 | dan_a | linuxstb: Playing with Rockbox |
| 21:28:33 | dan_a | I'm just trying to wake up the COP and have it send itsself back to sleep |
| 21:28:34 | * | linuxstb_ is currently looking at the Sansa firmware |
| 21:29:17 | markun | linuxstb_: the E10 firmware also decodes with the ifp decoder: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/e10strings.txt |
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| 21:30:22 | bluebrother | is this request doable? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1534 |
| 21:31:21 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I don't see why not. Isn't it already done? |
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| 21:31:45 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, I think of MASCODEC −− SWCODEC already has crossfade |
| 21:32:30 | bluebrother | as the poster refers to some archos device and it's implemented I was thinking if we could close it. |
| 21:32:51 | bluebrother | as I don't have any idea how it should be possible mixing mp3 streams before actual decoding it |
| 21:32:58 | linuxstb_ | I don't read that feature request as cross-fade. Just fading down the current track, then fading in the next track. But I haven't used a hwcodec device for a long time. |
| 21:33:05 | amiconn | Crossfade is *impossible* on the MAS, except (perhaps) for future integrated wav playback |
| 21:33:30 | * | amiconn wonders why so many people want all those fading crap |
| 21:34:24 | bluebrother | so should we close that task? At least wav crossfading isn't what he requested. |
| 21:35:14 | amiconn | The complement for fade on stop/pause could be done - fade in on play/unpause |
| 21:35:37 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: If you're going to try using the COP, the big issue to remember is cache coherency - i.e. the two CPUs have their own caches, without bus snooping. So you can only really use IRAM to share data between the two CPUs (IRAM isn't cached). |
| 21:36:34 | dan_a | linuxstb: Thanks - I'd read that in the logs. At the moment I'm really just experimenting and learning |
| 21:37:20 | dan_a | But what I was thinking of trying to do was run the codec thread on the COP, since I think the codec and audio buffers are both in IRAM |
| 21:38:02 | dan_a | There's probably huge flaws in that plan, but I'll find out what they are when I hit them |
| 21:38:06 | linuxstb_ | Not always - I think it depends on the codec. |
| 21:40:01 | dan_a | Even if it doesn't work it means I'm learning how the various bits of Rockbox fit together :) |
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| 21:49:21 | * | Lear pings bagder: build server stuck again, it seems. |
| 21:51:02 | dan_a | Anyway, real life calls. Thanks for your help linuxstb and markun. |
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| 22:00:02 | * | amiconn summons LinusN, Bagder or Zagor |
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| 22:04:08 | goffa | back BigMac ... sort of |
| 22:04:34 | grimman | If anyone's reading who was here when my iPod transfer rates were acting up; using a different USB port did work. |
| 22:05:52 | BigMac | goffa do you have aim |
| 22:06:04 | BigMac | since private chat doesnt work between us |
| 22:07:00 | BigMac | i think rockbox needs a mascot |
| 22:07:18 | |apo| | How about a pet rock? |
| 22:07:31 | |apo| | *cough* sorry |
| 22:07:34 | grimman | That would rock! |
| 22:08:27 | goffa | yeah.. i do |
| 22:08:40 | goffa | username goffa |
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| 22:12:28 | amiconn | t0mas? |
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| 22:31:53 | BigMac | isnt 192 kbps considered vorbis? |
| 22:35:26 | linuxstb_ | ? |
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| 22:38:01 | BigMac | is it? |
| 22:38:55 | linuxstb_ | "192kbps" is just a bitrate - it's unrelated to any particular format. |
| 22:39:09 | BigMac | i thought that that was the quality |
| 22:40:40 | Bger | BigMac: yes, it's directly related to the quality |
| 22:41:40 | BigMac | and wouldnt that quality be the qaulity of vorbis |
| 22:41:42 | linuxstb_ | Sort of... A higher bitrate will normally mean higher quality - but it depends on the encoder, other settings etc etc. |
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| 22:43:10 | linuxstb_ | BigMac: There's no such thing as "the quality of vorbis". Vorbis can have varying quality - depending on the bitrate used to encode the vorbis file. |
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| 22:43:26 | Bger | and on the encoder ... |
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| 22:47:25 | dionoea | hi |
| 22:47:31 | amiconn | lo |
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| 22:52:31 | enzyme | any one here use the philips az1835 stereo |
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| 23:05:01 | goffa | midkay: i answered you |
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| 23:11:14 | BigMac | were is the rocks folder go? in .rockbox or in root |
| 23:12:29 | dionoea | /.rockbox/rocks |
| 23:13:04 | dionoea | btw, i noticed a patch on the tracker splitting the rocks directory in different subcategories (games, demos, editors, utils ...) |
| 23:13:10 | dionoea | that would be nice |
| 23:14:28 | linuxstb_ | Does it handle localisation? |
| 23:15:37 | dionoea | i don't have a clue |
| 23:16:21 | dionoea | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5464 |
| 23:18:52 | linuxstb_ | It looks good to me - it's the approach I've been thinking about. It just creates subdirs in .rocks/, and replaces the "browse plugins" menu option with a sub-menu with entries "Browse Games", "Browse Utilities" etc |
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| 23:22:04 | * | amiconn wonders why that would be needed |
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| 23:22:41 | * | amiconn spots some small optimisation possibilities in the 2 bit lcd drivers |
| 23:23:52 | midkay | amiconn: not "needed", but easier access to certain plugins. we're getting a lot.. |
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| 23:24:35 | midkay | we have more than 50 now, don't we? |
| 23:24:37 | amiconn | I don't think that we have so many plugins that we need to split them |
| 23:24:56 | midkay | we already have a lot, and we'll keep getting more.. |
| 23:25:07 | dionoea | the plugins list is getting a bit too long IMO |
| 23:25:29 | Bagder | I too think we should split them up |
| 23:26:00 | amiconn | If you really think so.... |
| 23:26:20 | amiconn | I can browse the list without problems... |
| 23:26:28 | dionoea | completely different question: how do you connect an archos recorder to your PC if you lost the old usb cable ? |
| 23:26:38 | amiconn | Buy a new one... |
| 23:26:49 | dionoea | usb a - usb a ? |
| 23:26:55 | dionoea | do people sell those ? |
| 23:27:06 | amiconn | A-A cables violate the USB standard, but some shops have them |
| 23:27:20 | dionoea | neat, i didn't know that |
| 23:27:38 | * | linuxstb_ recently bought a cheap ipod dock that came with an A-A cable |
| 23:27:58 | amiconn | Well, connecting two PCs with a plain A-A cable is one of the fastest way to make them crash |
| 23:28:14 | amiconn | (and perhaps even destroy some components) |
| 23:28:42 | dionoea | yay ! they sell them for 5euros here (France) |
| 23:28:54 | dionoea | and 2.60 on the net |
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| 23:29:48 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: What do you think of jdgordon's patch for splitting the plugins? |
| 23:30:05 | Bagder | haven't checked it out actually |
| 23:30:59 | linuxstb_ | Not specifically the code, just the idea (see my description 12 minutes ago) |
| 23:31:24 | Bagder | oh yes, I like that |
| 23:31:27 | Bagder | plain and simple |
| 23:33:19 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Do you know how much flash the Sansa has got (for the OS)? |
| 23:33:27 | Bagder | nope |
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| 23:41:39 | BigMac | what does audio scrobbler do exactly |
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| 23:43:27 | Bagder | report to a server what you've listened to |
| 23:45:00 | BigMac | oh i see |
| 23:45:10 | linuxstb_ | "Audioscrobbler is a database that tracks music listening habits and calculates relationships and recommendations." |
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| 23:45:51 | kerb | kerb/">http://www.last.fm/user/kerb/ for example |
| 23:46:13 | kerb | rockbox submits there when I hook it up to the computer :) |
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| 23:48:12 | barrywardell | Bagder: How is work going with the Sansa? Any more progress? |
| 23:48:36 | Bagder | not by me, no |
| 23:48:52 | Bagder | work/other projects have taken my time |
| 23:49:05 | Bagder | (and I'm still actually on vacation ;-) |
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| 23:50:44 | BigMac | ok and one final question, does anyone have about 1 minute of time literally and a decent imagery software (photoshop etc)? |
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| 23:51:43 | barrywardell | Bagder: ah, ok. Might be good to take a break and come back with a fresh mind! |
| 23:52:25 | Bagder | there's basically disassembling for us to do next |
| 23:54:19 | barrywardell | sounds like a lot of hard work. were you not able to track down any docs on the lcd? |
| 23:54:39 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:55:16 | Bagder | but I thought I'd check if it is similar to the h300 one |
| 23:55:29 | Bagder | since it is the same resolution, only rotated |
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| 23:56:14 | obo | speaking of Audioscrobbler - is there any chance that someone could take a look at it, with an eye to inclusion? (FS 5166) |
| 23:56:38 | amiconn | Meh, gcc is dumb |
| 23:57:19 | barrywardell | hopefully it will be. would save you a lot of work. i'm hoping for similar luck with the H10 and iAudio X5 |
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| 23:57:35 | amiconn | Bagder: If it's the same as H300, but rotated, then the controller is actually used as intended |
| 23:58:10 | Bagder | aha |
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