| 00:00:04 | amiconn | ...but the second one yields smaller & faster code. That's with -O (coldfire) |
| 00:00:34 | * | amiconn wonders why gcc doesn't find such obvious things... |
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| 00:07:40 | MangoMan | Can you get rockbox to support .wmv? |
| 00:08:29 | |apo| | I doubt it |
| 00:08:38 | MangoMan | No pluggins? |
| 00:09:11 | |apo| | First we have to get video... |
| 00:09:21 | |apo| | Dunno if that's planned |
| 00:09:28 | Bagder | we don't plan |
| 00:09:34 | |apo| | See? :P |
| 00:09:47 | linuxstb_ | MangoMan: 1) There is no open source wmv decoder; 2) The players rockbox runs on will struggle with all types of video playback. |
| 00:09:52 | dionoea | linuxstb_: wrong |
| 00:09:54 | |apo| | (I wouldn't want to watch videos on those screens anyway) |
| 00:09:56 | dionoea | check ffmpeg svn |
| 00:10:02 | linuxstb_ | wmv? |
| 00:10:03 | dionoea | the wmv decoder is quite nice |
| 00:10:10 | dionoea | yeah, Summer of Code project |
| 00:10:12 | linuxstb_ | OK, then just 2) :) |
| 00:10:16 | MangoMan | ya |
| 00:10:21 | dionoea | it's brand new |
| 00:10:25 | kerb | cool |
| 00:10:25 | linuxstb_ | Is there anything ffmpeg can't do? |
| 00:10:29 | kerb | ffmpeg <3 |
| 00:10:29 | MangoMan | I want to play windows audio files |
| 00:10:38 | Bagder | MangoMan: then start working |
| 00:10:50 | MangoMan | Ya |
| 00:10:57 | Bagder | for audio, there seems to be work in progress |
| 00:11:03 | MangoMan | really? |
| 00:11:08 | Bagder | not that we've seen anything, but there are people claiming so |
| 00:11:09 | MangoMan | You have a link |
| 00:11:11 | MangoMan | Oh |
| 00:11:13 | linuxstb_ | (but not encrypted/DRM'ed WMA) |
| 00:11:14 | MangoMan | right |
| 00:11:16 | MangoMan | Ya |
| 00:11:29 | MangoMan | I just want to play norm already ripped wma |
| 00:11:41 | MangoMan | sorry not wmv |
| 00:11:52 | dionoea | there's a patch in the tracker i think ... don't know if it works though |
| 00:12:01 | Bagder | MangoMan: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3005.0 |
| 00:12:03 | linuxstb_ | There is a long thread in the forums about it - but no running code has been published. |
| 00:12:17 | MangoMan | hmm i see thanks for the hint i appreciate it\ |
| 00:13:14 | * | MangoMan does a jig and snaps his fingers! " Thanks A Bunch" |
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| 00:15:05 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: Talking about ffmpeg, have you read anything lately about their AAC decoder? |
| 00:15:38 | dionoea | not really ... i saw messages on the mailing list i think but i didn't read them :D |
| 00:15:57 | linuxstb_ | Remind them that a fixed point version would be really useful... |
| 00:16:09 | dionoea | that's one of the reccuring trolls |
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| 00:16:42 | dionoea | it's not usefull performance wise on modern computers ... performance can be lower with fixed point. |
| 00:16:47 | dionoea | So i doubt that they'll do one :) |
| 00:17:18 | dionoea | good night people |
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| 00:22:41 | barrywardell | quick question about config-*.h. What is CPU_FREQ about? Is that just the frequency of the processor? If so, why is it set to 11289600 in most of the files? |
| 00:25:37 | amiconn | CPU_FREQ is the base frequency of the CPU, i.e. with the PLL disabled |
| 00:25:51 | amiconn | It's set to 11289600 for all coldfire targets |
| 00:27:03 | amiconn | Archos targets have different values (11059200 for recorders, 12000000 for player and Ondios). They have fixed CPU clock |
| 00:27:23 | barrywardell | it's set to that for ipod targets too and they're PortalPlayer based, with two arm cores |
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| 00:27:51 | amiconn | On ipod it's probably unused, but misleading... |
| 00:29:27 | grimman | /glare |
| 00:29:47 | grimman | << Reviewing some old code... and to be quite honest, I have no frikkin idea how it works. But it does. |
| 00:30:04 | grimman | (code of my own that is) |
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| 01:29:57 | RaiderX | hey, is there a list, or a forum thread or somethign that has downloadbale plugins for rockbox on ipods? and if so link pls =) |
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| 01:33:27 | RaiderX | nvm i noticed there are plugins in the patch list |
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| 01:48:39 | Aar0n | what id3 version should i use |
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| 02:06:13 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you have the ability to close threads in the forums? |
| 02:06:30 | linuxstb_ | Or more accurately, can the forum software close threads? |
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| 02:06:38 | linuxstb_ | (I assume you can do anything...) |
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| 02:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Yeah, I can lock or remove threads. |
| 02:09:07 | linuxstb_ | I just thought about it after reading that Doom on a PC post and realised I had never seen a locked thread in the Rockbox forums. |
| 02:09:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are a couple. And I just locked it anyway. |
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| 02:10:37 | BigMac | have any of you eever talked to juius? he is a really nice guy. |
| 02:10:51 | linuxstb_ | Ah... Apart from the lack of "reply" button, I can't tell that the thread's locked. |
| 02:11:19 | linuxstb_ | So that explains why I've never noticed locked threads before... |
| 02:11:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it's not very visual about it. |
| 02:11:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since I can reply to locked threads, it's even less obvious to me when one's locked. |
| 02:12:13 | linuxstb_ | Maybe a final post saying "Thread locked because...". But I'm not going to lose any sleep worrying about it. |
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| 02:17:39 | BigMac | jd |
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| 02:17:55 | BigMac | is their something wrong with your patcher? |
| 02:20:28 | JdGordon | BigMac: why? |
| 02:20:58 | BigMac | its been 2-3 days and ive got no email |
| 02:21:47 | JdGordon | Stats: 2 Builds completed successfully, 44 Builds completed unsuccessfully and i did both of them, so dw |
| 02:22:01 | BigMac | huh |
| 02:22:14 | BigMac | but i got no email sau=ying it was unsuccessful |
| 02:22:24 | JdGordon | i need help with the php, because only the first selected patch in the list will get added |
| 02:22:29 | JdGordon | hmm,,, i dunno |
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| 02:30:18 | amiconn | Build seems to hang _again_! grmbl!! |
| 02:31:05 | JdGordon | cvs server is pretty slow also |
| 02:31:47 | JdGordon | CC bookmark.c |
| 02:31:47 | JdGordon | In file included from bookmark.c:38: |
| 02:31:48 | JdGordon | recorder/icons.h:28:25: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:31:48 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 02:31:48 | JdGordon | recorder/icons.h:30:32: remote_rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:31:51 | JdGordon | what the heck? |
| 02:32:10 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 02:32:14 | amiconn | These are generated |
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| 02:32:21 | JdGordon | thats why im asking |
| 02:32:48 | JdGordon | this is still happening after a reconfigure, and makeveryclearn |
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| 02:35:37 | JdGordon | copying them from a previous build seems to work.. *wierd* |
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| 02:48:07 | blackvd | say my iriver froze using rockbox how do i reboot it? |
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| 02:48:40 | JdGordon | press the reset button |
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| 02:49:42 | blackvd | didn't realize it had one |
| 02:50:17 | blackvd | thanks |
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| 02:54:47 | BigMac | heh this is pretty sucky |
| 02:55:17 | BigMac | anyone know of a tool that organizes files into directories by album and artist? |
| 02:55:31 | BigMac | because manually doing this on my ipod blows |
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| 03:02:23 | sharpe | BigMac: you can... pay someone else to do it for you. |
| 03:04:13 | BigMac | ill pay you 50 cents to do it sharpe:-) |
| 03:04:26 | BigMac | do you accept money orders? |
| 03:04:33 | sharpe | ah. maybe. |
| 03:04:48 | BigMac | im glad i only have like 120 songs lol |
| 03:05:32 | k8to | BigMac: there's a lot of tools that try to do that by tags |
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| 03:05:53 | k8to | BigMac: i've used this thing called 'cantus' which is for free unix and has the worst interface ever |
| 03:05:57 | k8to | but lets you script stuff |
| 03:06:22 | dongs | jesus christ dudes. 'fade in on pause' is totally fucking unusable. why does it change the play/pause icon only AFTER the fact? i just clicked play/pause liek 8 times trying to get the fuckin thing to stop because icon wasnt changing, and hten i noticed it kept fading the sound in and out repeatedly and only THEN changing the icon |
| 03:06:33 | k8to | if your files aren't reliably tagged, or reliably named, then there's no way to automate it to my knowledge, unoless you have software that can recognize songs by sound |
| 03:06:34 | sharpe | hahah. "the worst interface ever, but lets you script stuff." |
| 03:06:51 | dongs | why is a) that stuff on by default b) changes the icon only AFTER the fade is complete?? |
| 03:07:22 | k8to | sharpe: well it's significantly simpler to script in it than with external tools |
| 03:07:32 | BigMac | hey my pause on unplug isnt working |
| 03:07:38 | BigMac | whats up with that |
| 03:07:40 | sharpe | yeah, i'm sure it is, but that just struck me as funny. |
| 03:07:56 | BigMac | i have it set to pause and resume |
| 03:07:58 | k8to | sharpe: i can do stuff like say "make all these files stored in directory/artist, oh wait, that's the wrong spelling for Pink Floyd" and it automatically fixes everything |
| 03:08:01 | BigMac | and it does neither |
| 03:08:05 | BigMac | just keeps playing |
| 03:08:07 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:08:16 | k8to | sharpe: but it's truly horrific to use |
| 03:08:20 | k8to | in terms of where to click |
| 03:08:24 | sharpe | i lelieve you. |
| 03:08:30 | sharpe | believe, not lelieve. |
| 03:08:44 | k8to | sorry maybe you were just being amused, i thought you might be amused and interested slightly |
| 03:09:05 | sharpe | amused, but not very interested. sorry. |
| 03:09:09 | k8to | fair enough |
| 03:09:13 | k8to | i don't really recommend it :P |
| 03:09:21 | sharpe | i wouldn't really have much of a way to use it either |
| 03:09:45 | BigMac | dongs:you can turn it of man.... |
| 03:10:01 | dongs | BigMac: no kidding, but its broken AND on by default |
| 03:10:26 | k8to | dongs: i think you're right that there should be visual indication on activation |
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| 03:10:40 | dongs | k8to: it should just change the icon to pause BEFORE fade starts. |
| 03:10:48 | midkay | dongs: it isn't BROKEN. it might look a bit weird if the icon says "pause" when there's music playing, hm? |
| 03:10:58 | k8to | dongs: hmm, i think there should really be three states |
| 03:11:04 | dongs | since if LCD is dark, one tap takes to wake it up, another tap takes to MAYBE start the pause process, and it would confuse the user if there was no feedback that something was happening |
| 03:11:08 | k8to | dongs: not paused, pausing, paused |
| 03:11:34 | k8to | i would probably make it blink while pausing |
| 03:11:39 | k8to | or throb |
| 03:11:42 | k8to | whatever |
| 03:11:51 | midkay | k8to: that isn't going to happen.. (1) the fade only takes like under a second, it'd be pretty pointless and (2) the short fade is the only place it'd be used that i can think of.. |
| 03:12:07 | midkay | ah, blinking is potential, but unlikely also.. |
| 03:12:18 | k8to | midkay: well i can accept that it isn't going to happen, but it isn't pointless |
| 03:12:25 | k8to | midkay: it's good user feedback |
| 03:12:44 | k8to | "the thing you did is working" is good user interface |
| 03:13:00 | midkay | k8to: considering the fade-length it is more or less. of course that's an opinion and it won't ever be a fact. you can't say "this is pointless, period.".. |
| 03:13:11 | midkay | k8to: that'd apply here if it wasn't already working. |
| 03:13:13 | dongs | lawl, i told oyu i just clicked pause like EIGHT TIMES because I couldnt tell waht hte fuck it was doing, so I was sittin here for liek 20 seconds while it faded in/out in/out instead of turning off like I wanted to |
| 03:13:16 | k8to | it's not opinion, it's a generally accepted user interface principle |
| 03:13:26 | midkay | dongs: learn to be a bit more patient then. or turn it off. |
| 03:13:39 | k8to | not that I care much |
| 03:13:40 | midkay | k8to: a flashing play icon for half a second? .. generally accepted... yeah... |
| 03:14:29 | k8to | don't be hostile to improvement suggestions |
| 03:14:49 | midkay | k8to: i'm not at all. don't be hostile to responses to your suggestions. not everyone will love them. :) |
| 03:14:51 | k8to | feel free to mentally classify them at the very bottom of the pile |
| 03:14:58 | k8to | it's not my suggestion |
| 03:15:07 | midkay | whose is it then, and why are you taking such offense? |
| 03:15:14 | k8to | i'm not offended |
| 03:15:32 | midkay | whatever you wish to call it, it's unpleasant. |
| 03:15:48 | k8to | I am sorry that your interpretation of my comments is unpleasant |
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| 03:16:01 | midkay | sigh. |
| 03:18:44 | dongs | whats unpleasant is |
| 03:18:50 | dongs | pressing pause |
| 03:18:53 | dongs | doesnt do shit |
| 03:18:56 | dongs | and the user keeps pressing it |
| 03:19:00 | dongs | because he knows something is wrong wiht opensource |
| 03:19:07 | dongs | until he notices theres like 8 fadein/out requests queued |
| 03:19:12 | dongs | and goes fuck this shit and breaks his ipod. |
| 03:19:15 | dongs | ^ true story. |
| 03:19:20 | k8to | i would say that you have a real user who has encountered a usability problem |
| 03:19:27 | k8to | however minor |
| 03:19:35 | midkay | i wouldn't call dongs a user in any way.. personally. |
| 03:19:50 | k8to | hmm |
| 03:19:53 | k8to | interesting |
| 03:20:28 | k8to | do you think he is trolling? |
| 03:20:39 | midkay | at the moment, not exactly. |
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| 03:21:07 | midkay | i haven't seen you around before today, so you wouldn't know that he's always around moaning about open source applications, telling us to switch to proprietary compilers, moaning about every little thing... |
| 03:21:20 | midkay | s/you wouldn't know/i don't think you'd know/ |
| 03:21:41 | k8to | well, I think he is still a user, even if he isn't worth dealing with |
| 03:21:45 | dongs | majority of 'every little things" i moan about are valid user interface/usability concerns |
| 03:22:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't remember a single valid concern from our conversation yesterday. |
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| 03:22:57 | k8to | hm |
| 03:23:04 | k8to | sometimes i wish i could be 'tech support' for open source projects |
| 03:23:12 | k8to | without it being awful, that is |
| 03:23:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's pretty awful, most of the time. |
| 03:23:34 | k8to | i have the right skillset and interest to filter through such things, but tech support is usually just an information bottleneck anyway |
| 03:23:53 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:23:53 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is essentially volunteer Tech Support for Rockbox. |
| 03:24:13 | sharpe | is sharpe considered tech support for rockbox? |
| 03:24:21 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: do you file bug from complaints much? |
| 03:24:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: My usual process is getting them to the point where they can file a proper bug. |
| 03:24:53 | k8to | teach a man to fish |
| 03:25:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ask them questions to verify it's a real concern, then tell them what to include when they report it. |
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| 03:25:32 | k8to | yeah sometimes i just think someone reports something, and a light goes on in your head |
| 03:25:46 | k8to | and you're pretty sure you know about a much more specific problem |
| 03:26:17 | k8to | that was about the only thing i ever did in tech support that i felt was valuable |
| 03:26:29 | k8to | the synthesis of real problem analysis from many reports |
| 03:27:08 | k8to | handholding feels ultimately unrewarding, since i think they should be learning to read docs themselves |
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| 03:27:25 | k8to | or i hsould be writing supplementary docs |
| 03:27:36 | dongs | the way that part is done in opensores projects is 'LOL NOOB THATS HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO WORK' |
| 03:27:56 | k8to | dongs: hm, that varies a lot. irc leans more that way |
| 03:28:10 | k8to | since people have to suffer a lot of complainers |
| 03:28:17 | k8to | *whistles* |
| 03:28:40 | dongs | like this other problem i brought up a while ago (but now I know theres no *good* technical way to fix it) but anyway, if HOLD is on and ipod is plugged into usb, rockbox starts up after its plugged in and promptly erases settings (because hold on while power up = erase settings). but if someone just plugs the thing to charge, and forgets that it was on hold, they come back to it with all settings reset. |
| 03:29:08 | k8to | hm |
| 03:29:10 | dongs | thats bullshit and pisses users off. |
| 03:29:20 | k8to | my naive reaction is that hold perhaps should not be used that way |
| 03:29:24 | dongs | but i was told theres no way to fix that because keypad isnt readable at boot and hold is a gpio pin that can be checked. |
| 03:29:44 | k8to | but i suppose the ipod has pretty limited inputs |
| 03:30:02 | dongs | a 2-3 key combo AFTER boot would be just as effective, i think. |
| 03:30:11 | dongs | for whatever reason that someone would wnat ot erase settings. |
| 03:30:12 | k8to | i don't know the rationale |
| 03:30:36 | k8to | holding down say forward and rewind would be more pleasant from a user perspective |
| 03:30:40 | sharpe | well for instance, if they accidentally, somehow set their background and foreground colors to the same color... |
| 03:30:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: It's possible for a bad settings block to freeze the iPod before you can get to a point where keypad input is possible, but a clear will still work. |
| 03:30:47 | dongs | sharpe: yes, that was the excuse. |
| 03:30:59 | k8to | sharpe: having a settings erase feature seems a good idea |
| 03:31:00 | dongs | sharpe: however backround color has nothing to do with which keys to press to reset them. |
| 03:31:10 | k8to | sharpe: although not letting them make that setting seems a good idea too :) |
| 03:31:24 | dongs | that would be thinking too much |
| 03:31:39 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has never accidentally cleared his settings, but has on occasion had to intentionally clear them because his iPod would lock up with an IllInstr immediately upon boot. |
| 03:31:41 | dongs | cant have that in opensource projects |
| 03:31:42 | k8to | i would put it on the todolist |
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| 03:31:51 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: do you use hold much normally? |
| 03:32:07 | k8to | i use it a great deal |
| 03:32:16 | sharpe | i've had the same-foreground-background colors happen to me once. |
| 03:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: I do use it a great deal, but only when it's in my pocket. |
| 03:32:44 | k8to | i bicycle with my dap attached to my bag |
| 03:32:51 | k8to | with hold on |
| 03:32:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Even if you put safeguards in for the background color, it's nearly impossible to safeguard a backdrop image the same way. |
| 03:32:54 | k8to | for many horus |
| 03:32:57 | k8to | (one ear) |
| 03:33:03 | k8to | so it will run out of batteries with hold on |
| 03:33:07 | k8to | == boot up with hold on |
| 03:33:25 | dongs | and promptly erase settings. |
| 03:33:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | How does running out of batteries with hold on equal booting with hold on? |
| 03:34:01 | k8to | i don't think the complaint is that there is a way to reset settings, but that it is possible to accidentally trigger it in normal operation without intentionality |
| 03:34:13 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: because later you power it on again |
| 03:34:23 | dongs | (it powers on when you plug it into charger) |
| 03:34:27 | dongs | automatically. |
| 03:34:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | So again it's a case of the user not bothering to check the hold switch. |
| 03:34:39 | k8to | how important are these settings anyway? |
| 03:34:41 | dongs | why the fuck should I be bothered to check the switch |
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| 03:34:57 | k8to | is it all settings? |
| 03:35:00 | dongs | yea |
| 03:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: It's all settings. |
| 03:35:15 | k8to | that seems fairly annoying if you trigger it frequently |
| 03:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can export it to an text readable file though, and reimport if they get cleared. |
| 03:35:19 | sharpe | yay, lets get angry! |
| 03:35:29 | dongs | it goes back to the default font/whatever, scrollbar on left side (not changeable, either), default wps etc. |
| 03:35:31 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: that's nice |
| 03:35:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: You should bother to check the switch because that's the way we say it needs to be done. If you don't like it, code a better solution, offer one that addresses the current list of needs, or shut up. |
| 03:35:59 | dongs | ^ typical open source reply |
| 03:36:08 | k8to | hm |
| 03:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: All you've done is complain without offering an alternative. |
| 03:36:17 | k8to | were I the developer, which I'm not |
| 03:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | "It's BAD" |
| 03:36:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | OMG, our method isn't the best? Jee, so what. It's what we have, and nobody has offered a method that's better. |
| 03:36:44 | k8to | I would say: yes, it's less than ideal. It's not _that_ important, and we have bigger things to do right now. patches welcome |
| 03:36:44 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: 99% of your users are this way |
| 03:36:57 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: they're USERS. |
| 03:36:58 | dongs | not programmers. |
| 03:37:05 | dongs | they could care less how it works or why it works. |
| 03:37:07 | dongs | they see an annoying feature |
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| 03:37:09 | k8to | dongs: there are two ways to slice it |
| 03:37:10 | dongs | and complain about it. |
| 03:37:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Yes, but you complain about it despite knowing better. |
| 03:37:20 | dongs | telling them to "submit a patch" is totally useless. |
| 03:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I didn't offer submitting a patch as the only alternative. |
| 03:37:46 | dongs | there are no alternatives to usability problems. |
| 03:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I also said suggest a method that addresses the current needs. |
| 03:38:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | If there are NO alternatives, then why bother complaining at all? |
| 03:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it cannot be better, then it isn't broken. |
| 03:38:13 | BigMac | paul:what could cause the "pause on unplug functin to not work, but the headphones work and music still plays |
| 03:38:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: I didn't write that patch. |
| 03:38:45 | BigMac | oh i thought it was part of the cvs |
| 03:38:51 | k8to | dongs: it is important to realize that changing behavior isn't really that easy |
| 03:38:56 | k8to | dongs: it's a lot of work to make code |
| 03:39:02 | dongs | i press ctlr+n to open new window in firefox, and alt-d to go to the location bar. because my homepage is about:blank, 50% of the time firefox will popup this 'enter url' window that only pops up when there's no location bar and oyu hit alt-d. I documented this and opened a bug on bugzilla. it seems it will not be fixed because "most people dont open new windows in firefox" being the excuse. what the FUCK? and they expect me to use this shit? |
| 03:39:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: If ANYTHING is ever not working, try a CVS build first to make sure it doesn't work. |
| 03:39:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: WTF does FireFox have to do with Rockbox? |
| 03:39:28 | dongs | (which is why I use IE) |
| 03:39:30 | midkay | dongs: they don't expect you to use it, no. they PROVIDE it and you decide whether you want to or not. |
| 03:39:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other than two overlapping letters? |
| 03:39:37 | k8to | dongs: hahah now you're trolling |
| 03:39:38 | midkay | if you don't like their decisions, don't use it. |
| 03:39:51 | dongs | midkay: i dont. |
| 03:39:59 | midkay | see, you act like we ought to care that you use IE.. no, it's just a preference. |
| 03:40:01 | k8to | sorry to feed him :( |
| 03:40:16 | midkay | k8to: thankfully it's not as bad as usual. |
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| 03:41:34 | dongs | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332330 < check it out |
| 03:42:22 | dongs | their "solution" was "use tabs lol" |
| 03:42:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Again, this channel is relating to ROCKBOX |
| 03:42:41 | dongs | okay. |
| 03:42:49 | dongs | well i named like 3 things |
| 03:42:51 | k8to | what is a good way to keep tabs on the rockbox porting efforts? (I'm sort of intersted in buying rockbox-capable hardware) I know about the general wiki and the mailing list. Are these the best ways? |
| 03:42:52 | dongs | that annoy me in rockbox |
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| 03:44:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: You also claimed one was unfixable, which kinda makes it pointless to complain, doesn't it? |
| 03:44:14 | dongs | its unfixable the way its done now |
| 03:44:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: See the New Ports forum, and see which are most active. |
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| 03:44:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: And what way of doing it would make it fixable? |
| 03:44:38 | dongs | thats not really my concern as a user |
| 03:44:50 | dongs | a even BETTER solution would be |
| 03:44:55 | dongs | a) prevent crashes due to settings fuckups |
| 03:44:56 | dongs | :) |
| 03:45:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's being worked on. |
| 03:45:05 | dongs | b) prevent users from setting settings that fuck shit up. |
| 03:45:18 | dongs | then you wouldnt need *gasp* a reset settings function on hardware! |
| 03:45:30 | k8to | dongs: if you haven't done it already, file a feature request (no need to be unnecessary confrontational), and include a concise rationale |
| 03:45:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: He can't be bothered. |
| 03:45:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | He has more fun this way. |
| 03:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Notice that his rational is "I'm a user, so I don't have to offer alternatives." |
| 03:46:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | He doesn't *have* to do anything but complain, so he doesn't. |
| 03:46:25 | k8to | dongs: and if you feel the need to harp on it, tell affected users to tick the request |
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| 03:46:35 | | Nick Lo_P is now known as Lo_Pan (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 03:46:56 | | Nick Lo_Pan is now known as scottder (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 03:47:04 | k8to | dongs: but whinging here just makes noise which has the possibility to damage rockbox communication |
| 03:47:15 | k8to | so i recommend avoiding that unless it's your goal |
| 03:49:52 | dongs | my goal is to have something that doesnt piss me off daily while im using it :) |
| 03:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then use the retail firmware. |
| 03:50:48 | dongs | no, that pisses me off even more because itunes is a worthless piece of shit |
| 03:51:09 | dongs | and I refuse to organize waht shitty music I have by album/artist/whatever |
| 03:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then stop using your iPod. |
| 03:52:46 | dongs | i could, its not like i paid for it. |
| 03:52:54 | dongs | i forgot about it for a week , and battery was dead. |
| 03:53:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | See, problem solved. |
| 03:53:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that way you can avoid the open source software that you so loathe. |
| 03:54:38 | scottder | No kidding... |
| 03:54:48 | scottder | write something better or quit yer belly-achin |
| 03:55:49 | BigMac | what is a transcode exactly |
| 03:55:53 | * | Febs observes that dongs has actually written two whole lines without using the words "fuck" or "shit." |
| 03:55:58 | Febs | Must be a record |
| 03:56:00 | BigMac | isnt it going from one format to another |
| 03:56:02 | k8to | false dichotomy! which is really too bad, since there is a pretty reasonable claim here: dongs you are being a git |
| 03:56:08 | Febs | BigMac: yes. |
| 03:56:12 | BigMac | k |
| 03:56:32 | k8to | BigMac: usually it refers to the data loss that occurs when going from one lossy format to another |
| 03:56:41 | BigMac | ah i see |
| 03:56:42 | dongs | okay now i gotta get back to work. thank you for your input. |
| 03:56:47 | dongs | i hope the fade pause thing gets fixed |
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| 03:57:41 | * | ^jhMikeS^ is chuckling at this conversion. |
| 03:57:52 | k8to | BigMac: for example, FLAC -> ogg is usually not talked about in terms of transcoding, even though it is a format change |
| 03:58:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: Most places I see, any format change is called a transcode, even lossless to lossless. |
| 03:58:10 | k8to | BigMac: since it is not lossy to lossy, so there is no special set of artifacting problems |
| 03:58:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | So long as one of the formats is not uncompressed. |
| 03:58:43 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: i think that's a fair usage of the term, but usually i see it associated with the lossy to lossy issue |
| 03:58:53 | scottder | not uncompressed? :) |
| 03:58:59 | Mikachu | if you want to be pedantic, "as long as one of the formats is not coded." |
| 03:59:20 | BigMac | how can i change tag info in xp |
| 03:59:30 | * | ^jhMikeS^ thinks all formats are technically coded. Maybe he is insane. |
| 03:59:32 | scottder | I rip most stuff to flac....then transcode to ogg vorbis for my nano/rockbox |
| 03:59:35 | JdGordon | right click - propertieas.. maube? |
| 03:59:42 | k8to | ^jhMikeS^: agree |
| 03:59:58 | ^jhMikeS^ | k8to: With which part? :) |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:03 | k8to | scottder: do you do that on the fly, or keep both copies? |
| 04:00:11 | k8to | ^jhMikeS^: the former |
| 04:00:17 | BigMac | scott:why rockbox can read flac, can't it |
| 04:00:21 | k8to | ^jhMikeS^: i have no experience with the latter |
| 04:00:27 | scottder | I keep both....flac for home listening... |
| 04:00:28 | Mikachu | BigMac: you can not fit many .flac on one ipod nano |
| 04:00:39 | BigMac | oh |
| 04:00:40 | scottder | I just use dbpoweramp in winders |
| 04:00:44 | BigMac | flac is large? |
| 04:00:50 | scottder | Yes |
| 04:00:50 | Mikachu | yes |
| 04:00:57 | Mikachu | |−−−−−−−−−−−−- | |
| 04:00:58 | Mikachu | that large |
| 04:01:00 | scottder | lossless usually us |
| 04:01:03 | BigMac | but of better quality |
| 04:01:04 | k8to | Mikachu: wow! |
| 04:01:18 | k8to | for the settings I use, flac is around 3-5 times larger than ogg |
| 04:01:19 | * | scottder uses -q3 goo vorbis for on the go |
| 04:01:35 | scottder | at that rate my 4Gb nano can hold a lot of music |
| 04:01:39 | scottder | ogg...not goo |
| 04:01:39 | scottder | :) |
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| 04:01:56 | BigMac | what is the best quality type for ripping from a cd |
| 04:02:11 | scottder | lossless is ....lossless |
| 04:02:16 | scottder | EXACTLY like the CD |
| 04:02:22 | k8to | BigMac: i'm not sure exactly what you mean. there are formats which lose no data, and thus store all the fidelity available on the CD |
| 04:02:33 | k8to | BigMac: any lossless format keeps all the data |
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| 04:02:40 | k8to | BigMac: FLAC is a popular such format |
| 04:02:54 | k8to | (other examples, WAV, raw, monkey's audio (ape)) |
| 04:02:59 | k8to | (shorten) |
| 04:03:06 | Mikachu | (wav is a container) |
| 04:03:09 | scottder | it compresses it without actually removing any of the audio data....loss codecs do |
| 04:03:10 | BigMac | so why would i want flac more then ape or vice versus |
| 04:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | ALAC, wavpack... |
| 04:03:14 | k8to | okay, well i mean typical wav files (pcm) |
| 04:03:30 | Mikachu | BigMac: software support |
| 04:03:39 | scottder | difference in lossless codecs is small %'s of compress VS CPU to uncompress |
| 04:03:55 | k8to | BigMac: flac is nice in that it is open and thus supported in a wide range of software and devices |
| 04:04:00 | k8to | BigMac: as compared to APE |
| 04:04:13 | BigMac | ok for rockbox, which format would i want to use |
| 04:04:14 | k8to | BigMac: i recommend FLAC over all other lossless formats |
| 04:04:20 | BigMac | on a 30 gb video pod |
| 04:04:21 | scottder | I believe (and I can be wrong) APE gets SLIGHTLy better compression, but also at the cost of higher CPU to uncompress |
| 04:04:32 | scottder | FLAC is very versatile and supported by Rockbox |
| 04:04:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC is almost definitely the best for Rockbox. |
| 04:04:42 | BigMac | ok |
| 04:04:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe wavpack can achieve slightly smaller files. |
| 04:04:46 | scottder | maybe not the best for battery life.... |
| 04:04:52 | Febs | Rockbox on my iPod glitches on WavPack. |
| 04:05:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | But requires more CPU to decompress. I don't think anyone's tested whether the additional spinup here and there hurts more. |
| 04:05:06 | scottder | but really....try a few different formats....you may be suprised.... |
| 04:05:12 | k8to | BigMac: the tradeoff between things like FLAC and lossy formats such as musepack, ogg, mp3, and aac involve a variety of factors; cpu time, storage space, audio fidelity |
| 04:05:30 | Febs | I'll probably convert them to FLAC because FLAC has better software support in general (as mentioned previously). |
| 04:05:39 | BigMac | so is the genral consesus for rockbox flac |
| 04:05:43 | JdGordon | can you do strikethrough text in the wiki? |
| 04:05:50 | Febs | Incidentally, I would refer to that conversion as transcoding. |
| 04:06:11 | k8to | BigMac: the reason to NOT use flac is because if you use something else, you can put more music per space |
| 04:06:24 | k8to | BigMac: so it is a tradeoff |
| 04:06:42 | BigMac | so does flac sound a lot better then ogg |
| 04:06:44 | Febs | That assumes that you can hear a difference between FLAC and a lossy format. |
| 04:06:44 | k8to | if you have infinite storage or little music, FLAC is a good bet |
| 04:06:56 | Febs | BigMac, not necessarily. |
| 04:07:03 | scottder | with HDs so cheap....I like lossless for home |
| 04:07:03 | k8to | Febs: yes but then also there is the archival issue |
| 04:07:15 | BigMac | well isnt ogg smaller then flac? |
| 04:07:19 | Febs | k8to, very true. I was talking about on the nano. |
| 04:07:23 | k8to | BigMac: lossy formats such as ogg,mp3, aac have quality settings |
| 04:07:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Most people cannot hear the difference between FLAC and high quality encodes in good lossy formats. There's almost always a point after which a user can't hear the difference. |
| 04:07:36 | BigMac | i thought ogg wasnt lossy |
| 04:07:42 | Febs | Ogg is lossy. |
| 04:07:44 | k8to | BigMac: so you can set them to higher or lower quality. at their highest quality, most people cannot hear the difference between the original and the lossy version |
| 04:07:46 | Mikachu | ogg is not a codec |
| 04:07:50 | scottder | vorbis |
| 04:07:55 | scottder | to be technical |
| 04:07:56 | Febs | OK, Ogg Vorbis is lossy. |
| 04:08:03 | Mikachu | i will be wearing the Annoying Hat tonight |
| 04:08:07 | BigMac | what is vorbis's extension? |
| 04:08:07 | scottder | hehe |
| 04:08:09 | BigMac | .vbr? |
| 04:08:12 | scottder | .ogg |
| 04:08:13 | sharpe | .ogg |
| 04:08:18 | Febs | lol |
| 04:08:29 | k8to | BigMac: if you are not an audiophile, you will probably not notice the quality loss for a high quality ogg encoding |
| 04:08:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does our software handle flacs with a .ogg extension yet? |
| 04:08:46 | * | scottder has no golden ears....Q3 oggs work for me most of the time |
| 04:08:52 | scottder | the lossy codecs have come a ways.... |
| 04:08:53 | k8to | BigMac: if you are an audiophile type person, musepack is supposed to be even higher quality, so maybe you would prefer that |
| 04:09:09 | BigMac | im far from an audiophile |
| 04:09:18 | k8to | BigMac: then any lossy format will probably be fine |
| 04:09:27 | BigMac | and im not sure if i can even tell the difference between mp3 and ogg |
| 04:09:29 | k8to | BigMac: so long as you choose a reasonable quality setting |
| 04:09:39 | BigMac | i dont rip my own cds |
| 04:09:46 | scottder | encode some stuff at different bitrates....see what works for you is my suggestion |
| 04:09:47 | BigMac | i get most songs from friends |
| 04:09:51 | k8to | BigMac: oh, then you don't have much of a choice about format! |
| 04:09:57 | BigMac | i dont have many cds |
| 04:10:04 | BigMac | i think i have one actual cd |
| 04:10:10 | BigMac | all others are mixs |
| 04:10:13 | k8to | BigMac: if you are not creating the files, then just play them |
| 04:10:17 | k8to | and don't worry about formats |
| 04:10:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | No conversion can *ever* improve quality. |
| 04:10:32 | Mikachu | i would like to point out that converting from a lossy format such as vorbis to a lossless like flac will not give you better quality |
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| 04:10:46 | k8to | BigMac: unless your friends love you so much that you can order them to create new files for you in a different format etc |
| 04:11:06 | scottder | indeed :) |
| 04:11:17 | k8to | Mikachu: unless you feel that whooshy artifact sound is really the extra zing your music needed |
| 04:11:21 | k8to | Mikachu: ;) |
| 04:11:54 | BigMac | ok ill just stick to mp3 then |
| 04:12:51 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd, on a different topic, I've started closing threads on the forum that don't relate in any way to Rockbox. |
| 04:13:15 | Febs | I don't think that the Rockbox forums needs to be a place for general chat, as there are a million other forums that serve that purpose. |
| 04:13:17 | k8to | do you think a wiki can work as a discussion forum for a large audience or is that just hopeless? |
| 04:14:09 | Febs | I think that a wiki is a great tool for many things, but it is not well-suited to discussion. |
| 04:14:14 | scottder | indeed |
| 04:14:38 | Febs | Of course, the signal-to-noise ratio on a wiki discussion tends to be much higher than in discussions on the forums. |
| 04:14:43 | BigMac | Febs:Perhaps a Non rockbox discussion subforum |
| 04:14:52 | Febs | Why do we need that? |
| 04:15:16 | BigMac | so then people can talk about no rockbox items... |
| 04:15:26 | k8to | the reason to do it, i think, would be to encourage a 'community' to form on your forum thing |
| 04:15:26 | BigMac | maybe people like the members of the community |
| 04:15:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I agree with that decision wholly. Until recently I'd been treating them with a "Stop that" but I think we've reached a population level where thread closures are better. Both non-Rockbox discussion, AND tech-support requests related to patched builds. |
| 04:15:39 | k8to | (not that I am arguing for it) |
| 04:15:50 | BigMac | and if they went to another forum those people wouldnt be there |
| 04:15:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: Any problem with a patched build should be met with a closed thread, and a post stating that the question should either be asked on the thread for the build, or should be verified to happen in CVS and a new thread started. |
| 04:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: The Rockbox forum isn't a community though. It's a tool. Support, and development. |
| 04:16:29 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: is there a forum place for people to discuss patched build problems without them being explicitly support requests? |
| 04:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: It's a community in the sense of "The community of people working on improving this" |
| 04:16:58 | Febs | Right. If there are people who wouldn't be on the forum but for off-topic discussions, honestly, I don't think we need to have those people there. |
| 04:17:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: No. For patches in the tracker, problems with that patch should be posted to the tracker entry for it. |
| 04:17:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: Unofficial builds are frankly not our problem. |
| 04:17:33 | k8to | well facilitating discussion isn't exactly the same as owning a problem |
| 04:17:48 | k8to | but *shrug* you know way more about the issues than me |
| 04:18:00 | BigMac | yup |
| 04:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The issue is that these unofficial builds are essentially Forks. |
| 04:18:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that many people don't even know or ever find out that they're unofficial |
| 04:18:22 | BigMac | i thought they were more of spoons paul... |
| 04:18:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other people hear about problems with the unofficial builds, or features, and think they're included in the real build. |
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| 04:19:01 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd, I agree with you about unofficial builds only to a point. I don't feel a need to provide tech support for users of patched builds. But I don't want to discourage discussion of the patches themselves. |
| 04:19:14 | k8to | Paul_The_Nerd: i guess i would say consider an area for discussion of "problems with unofficial builds and patches" since tsaid patches might get included in the future etc |
| 04:19:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: Discussion of the patches is different from discussion of the patched build. |
| 04:19:28 | k8to | there are a variety of .. social reasons for and against such |
| 04:19:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: For example, jblackglass includes many patches not even on the tracker. It also has so many patches that it's impossible to pin down which causes a given error. |
| 04:20:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: As I said, the patch tracker has a means for commenting on patches already. |
| 04:20:18 | k8to | yes, which is neither here nor there |
| 04:20:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | How so? |
| 04:20:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you can't figure out which patch in a build causes the problem, report to the build author |
| 04:20:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you know which patch causes the problem, report to the patch author. |
| 04:20:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there a third situation I don't know of? |
| 04:21:02 | Febs | Gotta run. I'm glad we're in agreement on the issue of non-Rockbox threads. |
| 04:21:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cya Febs |
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| 04:21:27 | k8to | sometimes user to user discussion is useful, even in the absence of build or patch specificity knowledge |
| 04:21:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't even know what you meant by that statement... |
| 04:22:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Threads can be started for individual patches. |
| 04:22:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | People can discuss the function of said individual patch. |
| 04:22:29 | k8to | i'm done suggesting things, they were just food for thought |
| 04:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well I'm not even sure what you're suggesting... |
| 04:22:46 | k8to | yeah and i don't think it's worth going over anymore |
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| 04:23:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | The way I see it, discussion of patches should be limited to the single thread on that patch, so a patch author doesn't have to seek fifty locations of people commenting on their patch. |
| 04:23:36 | k8to | it's tricky |
| 04:23:48 | k8to | you really want any and all problems with a patch to end up in the patch page |
| 04:23:59 | k8to | but not all discussion starts out patch specific |
| 04:24:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | People are free to discuss Rockbox ideas and bugs all they want. |
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| 04:26:06 | k8to | are the patches not in the tracker not there due to laziness or a lack of knowledge or a desire to have some kind of independence by some developers, do you think? |
| 04:26:18 | k8to | or otherwise? just curious |
| 04:26:27 | k8to | since that sounds like a super reasonable desire |
| 04:26:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | He feels they're not likely to be included in CVS (which is true since they override existing behaviour without options). |
| 04:26:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | His patches just change the behaviour of the status bar so that it fits his themes. |
| 04:27:07 | k8to | oh you're talking about some specific unclean work? |
| 04:27:14 | BigMac | who is this he and his |
| 04:27:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm talking about any instance of an author being unwilling to include his patch in the tracker. |
| 04:27:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | If a patch is at the tracker, it will always be available for users to improve upon, or integrate in their own builds or not as they see fit. |
| 04:27:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's privately hosted they can take it down at any time. |
| 04:27:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is why I'm against having any WPSes in the gallery that use non-tracker patches. |
| 04:28:16 | k8to | sad |
| 04:28:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is also why I'm against discussion of custom builds outside their thread. In many, if not all, cases, small changes have been made to the patches to get them to work together. |
| 04:29:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means almost every custom build has modifications that would not be there for user using just one of the patches. |
| 04:31:19 | k8to | i wonder if there's any special property of rockbox that is encouraging divergent development that does not apply to other open projects |
| 04:31:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | People like pretty. |
| 04:31:47 | k8to | yeah i'd be tempted to blame the skin people too |
| 04:31:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically, it happened with Album Art. |
| 04:32:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | When the Album Art first became available, the custom build trend started. |
| 04:32:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because even now the patch isn't acceptable for CVS I believe. |
| 04:32:21 | k8to | well |
| 04:32:30 | k8to | in the long run they'll have to track the main |
| 04:32:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | But nearly every custom build stems with the desire to use WPSes not supported in the current one, or in a few cases games. |
| 04:32:41 | k8to | maybe they will get tired of making it work and merge it properly or stop |
| 04:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, the forums are for discussing Rockbox. From my perspective people discussing Jbuild outside the Jbuild thread are like Debian users going into a RedHat support and development forum, and chatting about their breed of linux. |
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| 04:34:21 | scottder | Kids now-a-days and there custom builds....standard CVS build is good enough for me |
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| 04:34:24 | scottder | :) |
| 04:34:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | In most cases the person making the custom build isn't even the author of any of the patches (or in some cases one or two) and has just compiled them together. |
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| 04:38:03 | k8to | my build is the coolest |
| 04:38:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm quite fond of mine. |
| 04:38:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, my build has no patches any more, just small changes I've made. |
| 04:39:25 | k8to | no patches, honest! just *cough* changes |
| 04:40:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | People using patches is a good thing. |
| 04:40:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | People not knowing the real features of Rockbox at all, and having no idea what patches they're using, not so much. |
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| 04:42:20 | tokyo-ahead | hi all... is there a rss-feed about news for rockbox? |
| 04:42:27 | tokyo-ahead | could not find one on the site |
| 04:43:15 | sharpe | nope, there isn't... |
| 04:43:41 | midgey34 | the cvs activity is the closest we have |
| 04:44:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | The news doesn't change very often. |
| 04:45:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The CVS mailing list can be subscribed to, though. |
| 04:45:07 | k8to | the wiki has an RSS |
| 04:45:14 | k8to | which might or might not be interesting to you |
| 04:45:33 | k8to | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebRss |
| 04:45:47 | k8to | i track some projects that way |
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| 04:46:01 | tokyo-ahead | ok thanks |
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| 05:08:45 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 05:09:22 | Jungti1234 | I have problem.... http://www.ihuf.net/board/icon/member_image_box/454/cygwin.JPG |
| 05:09:24 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
| 05:10:03 | | Quit bow-viper () |
| 05:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: It means the patch can't be installed. |
| 05:10:12 | Jungti1234 | why happend.. |
| 05:10:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may be old? |
| 05:10:28 | Jungti1234 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 |
| 05:10:31 | k8to | that patch was meant to be applied against code in a different state than your code |
| 05:10:46 | k8to | ie. a different version as paul says, or possibly you have applied multiple incompatable patches? |
| 05:10:49 | midgey34 | the patch isn't up to date with cvs or conflicts with another patch you have installed |
| 05:11:34 | Jungti1234 | but julius patch succeed. |
| 05:11:40 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 05:12:25 | k8to | if you are a developer you could manually review the changes the patch makes vs the code |
| 05:12:55 | k8to | however, i doubt you are, so you should either: a) not use that patch, or b) figure out what that patch wants to apply against and use that |
| 05:13:47 | Jungti1234 | Do I change it manually? |
| 05:14:05 | Jungti1234 | then, can I use it? |
| 05:14:31 | Jungti1234 | ??? |
| 05:14:33 | k8to | step 1) are you a developer? |
| 05:14:42 | k8to | If yes) fix it yourself |
| 05:14:43 | Jungti1234 | hehe, no. |
| 05:14:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or C programmer, at least. |
| 05:14:47 | Jungti1234 | ok. |
| 05:14:48 | k8to | If no) do not use that patch |
| 05:14:59 | Jungti1234 | okok.. I will fix it myself. |
| 05:16:24 | k8to | whenever you apply a patch to a source base, there is no guarantee it will work |
| 05:17:20 | k8to | if you apply it to the exact codebase that it was written for, it should work. if you use a different (older or newer) version, or if you apply any other patches also, it can break |
| 05:17:33 | k8to | if you get these kinds of errors, that means it is breaking. |
| 05:17:40 | k8to | if you do not get these kinds of errors, it might still break |
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| 05:24:07 | Jungti1234 | thanks k8to |
| 05:24:42 | k8to | i don't think i was much help, but you're welcome |
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| 05:42:32 | dropandho | hey all! |
| 05:42:43 | dropandho | anyone happen to use the shure ec with their iriver? |
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| 06:16:56 | enzyme | hi |
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| 06:43:00 | JdGordon | grrrr!!!! bloody pointers :'( |
| 06:43:05 | * | JdGordon is stuck |
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| 06:53:45 | BigMac | anyone know any good m3u playlist makers for windows |
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| 06:54:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Winamp and Foobar2000 are by far the most popular programs that can create them. |
| 06:54:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're particularly oldschool you could go with EDIT, thought that might take a while. |
| 06:55:00 | BigMac | does wmp12 make m3u playlists? |
| 06:55:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | We probably won't know that for a year or two yet. |
| 06:55:32 | RaiderX | hey in the patches list where you can download plugins and stuff, peopel upload many files for each plugin, I only need the .rock file right? the rest is just source liek the .c files? like in this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2272 |
| 06:56:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: Usually you need the source. The .rock may be outdated, or compiled for a different MP3 player, or both. |
| 06:56:25 | RaiderX | so i would need to recompile it? |
| 06:56:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:56:51 | RaiderX | do i need liek the rockbox sdk? |
| 06:56:53 | k8to | m3u is a pretty straightforward format |
| 06:57:09 | k8to | i would probably write a script to create m3us if i needed such |
| 06:57:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | RaiderX: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in the wiki. |
| 06:57:20 | RaiderX | ok thx |
| 06:57:39 | k8to | it is just a textfile with a list of files plus some optional junk |
| 06:57:45 | RaiderX | is applyign patches in the wiki? |
| 06:58:07 | enzyme | any one here use the philips az1835 stereo |
| 06:58:56 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 07:05:03 | BigMac | paul:do i just select the m3u and it plays it? |
| 07:07:09 | JdGordon | it works!!!!!!!! |
| 07:07:30 | scorche | BigMac: try it and see... |
| 07:07:57 | BigMac | oh i did |
| 07:08:18 | BigMac | and i think ill make one more playlist then im off to bed |
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| 07:14:31 | aliask | Afternoon all |
| 07:16:54 | JdGordon | hey aliask |
| 07:17:07 | aliask | Whats new Jd? |
| 07:17:41 | JdGordon | nm |
| 07:17:57 | * | midgey34 posts another plugin on the tracker |
| 07:20:51 | aliask | Ooh Ti83 games, did you port it or just take the idea? |
| 07:21:18 | midgey34 | took the idea, I don't think the source is available |
| 07:21:28 | midgey34 | and I think its written in asm |
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| 07:26:21 | aliask | Damn, I was just looking for Phoenix - it's open sourced but its all Ti83 ASM... |
| 07:26:34 | midgey34 | I loved that game |
| 07:26:51 | aliask | I'm pretty sure I'm failing maths methods this year because of it |
| 07:27:48 | midgey34 | my friend and I had tournaments in class with that, tetris, pacman, and baseball |
| 07:27:50 | midgey34 | good times |
| 07:28:16 | scorche | hehe...i remember that game |
| 07:28:41 | scorche | gold phoenix was the best incarnation of it...much harder |
| 07:29:06 | midgey34 | I remember trying to make my own level pack and failing miserably |
| 07:29:22 | scorche | cept i NEVER figured out what the "bonus" of the end score was... |
| 07:29:52 | enzyme | any one here use the philips az1835 stereo |
| 07:30:09 | midgey34 | I haven't played in a while, did it have to do with how long it took you? |
| 07:30:55 | scorche | WELL..THERE WAS "TIME" |
| 07:30:57 | scorche | bah |
| 07:31:05 | scorche | like i said..i have no idea |
| 07:31:13 | JdGordon | how do i add an attachment to the wiki? |
| 07:31:32 | aliask | I think you can't. |
| 07:31:44 | aliask | The whole wiki hack attack thing |
| 07:31:45 | JdGordon | must be able to... the wps galley does that |
| 07:32:08 | JdGordon | ah, its on the main page, not the edit page |
| 07:37:13 | Bg3r | morning |
| 07:37:39 | Bg3r | JdGordon: any progress ? ;) |
| 07:37:47 | JdGordon | morning |
| 07:38:11 | JdGordon | ye, a bit, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonActionIdea |
| 07:38:24 | JdGordon | just uploaded the WIP patch to that |
| 07:39:25 | Bg3r | WIP? |
| 07:39:33 | JdGordon | work in progress |
| 07:39:49 | Bg3r | hehe ok |
| 07:40:35 | BigMac | ok question |
| 07:40:55 | BigMac | what could cause my mp3s to be skipping alot |
| 07:41:05 | BigMac | they worked fine a little while ago |
| 07:41:19 | BigMac | could an eq preset be causing it |
| 07:41:25 | midgey34 | yes |
| 07:42:59 | midgey34 | ipods still are very optimized yet, so decoding is barely fullspeed on some codecs (and less than fullspeed on others). By turning on an EQ, you make the cpu work harder and it can't decode in realtime, therefore, you get skips occasionally. |
| 07:43:17 | midgey34 | s/are/aren't |
| 07:44:34 | BigMac | does flac play better then mp3 on an ipod |
| 07:44:40 | BigMac | since it is better quality |
| 07:44:42 | midgey34 | I don't know |
| 07:44:48 | BigMac | oh |
| 07:44:59 | midgey34 | JdGordon: is your idea going to be extended to plugins as well or just the core? |
| 07:45:12 | JdGordon | midgey34: to plugins as well |
| 07:45:26 | midgey34 | quite the task |
| 07:45:33 | JdGordon | i tihnk linuxstb reckons the best way for that is adding plugin contexts to the plugin lib |
| 07:45:42 | JdGordon | ye, but it doesnt have to be done in 1 hit |
| 07:45:56 | midgey34 | true |
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| 07:47:26 | BigMac | jd:can you explain what the button thing does? |
| 07:47:32 | midgey34 | well, looking at the patch, it does seem to simplify the code quite a bit. much more readable |
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| 07:47:54 | JdGordon | BigMac: bassically makes the code much more managable |
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| 07:49:59 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 07:50:14 | BigMac | oh |
| 07:50:21 | Bg3r | any objections/corrections/additions ? :) |
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| 07:50:32 | NJoin | pill [0] (i=pill@loves.voltshells.com) |
| 07:50:56 | BigMac | is that admin/devs |
| 07:51:09 | desrt | i pity the fool who doesn't include desrt in their list |
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| 07:52:57 | midgey34 | Bg3r: do you want our time zones? |
| 07:53:19 | Bg3r | if you don't object to add them ... |
| 07:53:20 | scorche | Bg3r: JdGordon has the lease on it >_> |
| 07:53:58 | Bg3r | yep, i felt it :D |
| 07:54:03 | * | JdGordon gives up, stupid thing would add my name properly :p |
| 07:54:21 | scorche | give up your lease too! =P |
| 07:54:27 | JdGordon | i did |
| 07:54:29 | * | scorche cheers |
| 07:55:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Should I put GMT-5 or GMT-6? |
| 07:55:47 | midgey34 | you're central right? |
| 07:55:52 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd: u should know better than us :P |
| 07:55:59 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 07:56:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well it's not constant. |
| 07:56:13 | desrt | put the non-daylight version |
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| 07:56:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because we can't bloody just wake up an hour earlier, we have to call it a different time too, for no apparent reason. |
| 07:56:17 | Bg3r | yep |
| 07:56:18 | desrt | ie: winter offset |
| 07:56:22 | amiconn_ | hmpf |
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| 07:56:32 | Bg3r | morning, amiconn |
| 07:56:35 | desrt | timezone is just an approximate mechanism to let people know when you might be awake |
| 07:56:37 | amiconn | morning |
| 07:56:39 | desrt | so it doesn't have to be perfect |
| 07:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, then I may as well not fill mine in. |
| 07:57:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | My availability is fairly close to random anyway |
| 07:57:29 | BigMac | paul: your near alwaysss here |
| 07:57:52 | scorche | BigMac: type paul and then hit your tab button |
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| 08:01:26 | midgey34 | JdGordon: In your patch, all of the keydefs will be in keymaps/*insert_target*.c? |
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| 08:02:07 | JdGordon | ye, the values they return are in action.h tho |
| 08:02:10 | * | JdGordon back in 15 |
| 08:02:35 | BigMac | wow |
| 08:02:38 | BigMac | neato |
| 08:02:43 | BigMac | thank you scorche |
| 08:03:10 | BigMac | what is a dynamic playlist |
| 08:04:12 | chendo | a playlist that is dynamic |
| 08:04:32 | BigMac | thanks captain points out the obvious |
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| 08:05:17 | BigMac | i guess everyone is sleeping so im off to bed |
| 08:08:50 | chendo | a playlist that is dynamically generated? |
| 08:08:57 | chendo | most played songs, etc |
| 08:09:40 | midkay | BigMac's true colors showed themselves :o |
| 08:09:54 | * | JdGordon back |
| 08:12:06 | amiconn | Hmm, drawing shifted native bitmaps is a bit tricky with the weird x5 remote bitmap format |
| 08:12:36 | Bg3r | scorche: GMT-7 is with Daylight Saving, yep? |
| 08:14:13 | amiconn | The timezone name should tell you |
| 08:15:29 | scorche | no |
| 08:15:47 | scorche | i travel back and forth between utah and california |
| 08:16:08 | Bg3r | HCl is GMT+1, yep ? |
| 08:16:34 | amiconn | Not atm |
| 08:16:52 | amiconn | Netherlands is MET/MDT, as is germany |
| 08:16:55 | JdGordon | it doesnt really matter if its out by +-1 hour.. |
| 08:16:59 | amiconn | So GMT+2 in summer |
| 08:17:04 | Bg3r | heh |
| 08:17:17 | JdGordon | you should put a note so everyone puts the winter time in |
| 08:17:18 | Bg3r | i'm not GMT+2 atm too (but GMT+3) |
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| 08:18:34 | Bg3r | Slasheri is also GMT+1 ? |
| 08:19:22 | * | JdGordon and ashrida are gmt+10... we wins :D |
| 08:19:40 | amiconn | Bg3r: No, Finland is the same timezone as you |
| 08:19:41 | RaiderX | ok, someone explain how i compile a plugin for an ipod |
| 08:19:46 | chendo | GMT+10 ftw |
| 08:20:00 | RaiderX | such as this etchasketch plugin: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2272 |
| 08:20:42 | Slasheri | Bg3r: UTC+2 (but +3 now at summer time) |
| 08:20:46 | midgey34 | I think rotator is GMT -6 |
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| 08:22:06 | Bg3r | huh |
| 08:23:14 | JdGordon | eli_sherer is +3 i belive (if someone is still editing it) |
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| 08:29:08 | * | midgey34 kicks misticriver |
| 08:30:01 | * | JdGordon steals misticriver's wallet while he is down |
| 08:30:04 | Bg3r | LinusN, Bagder: the "shortcuts" for the icons doesn't work (at least %W% doesn't) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics |
| 08:30:22 | LinusN | yeah, i noticed that too |
| 08:30:35 | JdGordon | %Y% works fine |
| 08:30:47 | JdGordon | morning LinusN |
| 08:31:51 | amiconn | morning LinusN |
| 08:31:53 | amiconn | LinusN: Build hanging again since last night :( |
| 08:32:02 | LinusN | Bg3r: what do you want as the %W% icon? |
| 08:32:21 | * | amiconn hates hanging builds with no admin around :/ |
| 08:32:27 | LinusN | amiconn: me too |
| 08:32:40 | Bg3r | warning.gif Warning, important %W%, %ICON{warning}% |
| 08:33:11 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, x5 remote drawing is in the works, but not yet finished |
| 08:33:49 | LinusN | amiconn: nice |
| 08:33:57 | amiconn | I also have a lot of pending changes in other lcd drivers... mostly related to consistency |
| 08:34:24 | * | amiconn notices his laptop sound stopped working :( |
| 08:34:54 | amiconn | That rarely happens, but requires a reboot to fix |
| 08:34:55 | LinusN | Bg3r: try now |
| 08:35:50 | amiconn | LinusN: Drawing a shifted native bitmap is a bit tricky due to the weird data format (but not unsolvable; I already have an idea) |
| 08:36:02 | Bg3r | works ....... |
| 08:36:03 | LinusN | amiconn: figures |
| 08:36:07 | Bg3r | fscking firefox |
| 08:36:09 | LinusN | Bg3r: goodie |
| 08:36:44 | RaiderX | cna someone tell me how to compile plugins for 5G ipods? |
| 08:36:50 | amiconn | bmp2rb needs to be extended as well |
| 08:36:55 | RaiderX | or link meh to the wiki for it cuz I cant find it :/ |
| 08:36:55 | amiconn | (of course) |
| 08:37:38 | LinusN | RaiderX: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 08:38:05 | RaiderX | thanks |
| 08:40:05 | RaiderX | ok, i dont want to write the plugins, i just need to compile the ones that other users have uploaded :/ is that what that page si for? |
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| 08:43:39 | amiconn | LinusN: lcd-remote-x5.c needs to implement lcd_remote_update_rect() and lcd_remote_update() |
| 08:43:53 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:44:07 | amiconn | Note that fb_remote_data for the x5 remote is short (!) |
| 08:44:22 | LinusN | do you want the frame buffer in the native format? |
| 08:44:31 | amiconn | Yes, as always |
| 08:44:44 | amiconn | I'll add simulator support |
| 08:45:00 | amiconn | A scan of the x5 remote would be nice to have for tat.... |
| 08:45:03 | amiconn | *that |
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| 08:49:39 | JdGordon | is there any plans to put the sim screen over the target bmp like it used to be? |
| 08:49:53 | LinusN | amiconn: was unable to do that yday, will try today |
| 08:50:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: it's still there |
| 08:50:20 | ravon | Hmmm, accidently washed my X5 remote in the washing machine, and now I don't know if it's my remote display or the RB X5 remote support that's broken :) |
| 08:50:31 | JdGordon | the bmps are still there, but it doesnt show it.. or is it just me? |
| 08:50:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: Start the sim with −−background |
| 08:51:13 | * | amiconn still wonders why this isn't the default anymore |
| 08:51:15 | JdGordon | oh cool |
| 08:51:47 | LinusN | i'm very happy with the default |
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| 08:52:02 | amiconn | ravon: RB doesn't support the X5 remote yet, but will soon |
| 08:52:32 | ravon | Sweet. |
| 08:52:34 | ravon | amiconn: Thanks |
| 08:54:05 | * | amiconn hopes to finisuh the drawing routines tonight |
| 08:54:36 | LinusN | amiconn: i was thinking about the lcd drivers yesterday, and i came to the conclusion that the frame buffer should perhaps be in the lcd-x5.c file |
| 08:54:39 | amiconn | LinusN: The build is still hanging... |
| 08:54:59 | amiconn | No, the frame buffer isn't hardware dependent |
| 08:55:35 | amiconn | It will be used both for target and sim (and perhaps other remotes with the same framebuffer format, and same or different resolution) |
| 08:56:00 | LinusN | amiconn: no, it's not hanging, but it won |
| 08:56:05 | LinusN | t show until the next build |
| 08:56:18 | LinusN | amiconn: ok |
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| 08:57:41 | amiconn | LinusN: I think lcd-h100.c, and lcd-recorder.c are in relatively easy to spilt in the generic and target parts, but lcd-h100-remote.c is tricky... |
| 08:58:13 | RaiderX | can any patch be applied to rockbox for ipods? or only the ones specified for ipods? |
| 08:58:16 | RaiderX | like this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535 |
| 08:58:33 | amiconn | lcd-h100-remote.c uses the scroll thread both for generic tasks (i.e. scrolling) and hardware specific tasks (hot-plug lcd init) |
| 08:59:17 | * | amiconn has no idea how to split that in a clean way, without inventing just another thread |
| 08:59:27 | amiconn | s/just/yet/ |
| 08:59:41 | LinusN | amiconn: i guess the target tree driver should export a detection function which is called by the scroll thread |
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| 09:00:05 | RaiderX | pls help? |
| 09:00:10 | LinusN | RaiderX: try it |
| 09:00:40 | LinusN | RaiderX: but chances are that the game isn't adapted for the screen resolution and the buttons |
| 09:00:42 | RaiderX | well i dont wanan go through all the trouble if its not gonna work :x |
| 09:00:47 | amiconn | LinusN: The detection is done in a tick, but the tick must not init directly. It sends a message to a private queue... |
| 09:00:52 | RaiderX | the buttons is what i was thinking |
| 09:00:57 | RaiderX | but it only uses one buttons, select |
| 09:01:02 | RaiderX | and maybe |
| 09:01:05 | RaiderX | *so |
| 09:01:19 | LinusN | RaiderX: just try it |
| 09:01:22 | RaiderX | ok |
| 09:01:44 | amiconn | lcd-remote-x5.c does not yet do hot-plug detection afaics |
| 09:01:47 | LinusN | and post your findings in a patch comment |
| 09:01:57 | LinusN | amiconn: no it doesn't |
| 09:02:04 | amiconn | (and the spi driver looks like teh slowness) |
| 09:02:35 | LinusN | amiconn: yes it is slow, but i didn't want to use the asm version until i knew it worked |
| 09:02:49 | amiconn | Ok |
| 09:03:14 | LinusN | asm spi is on my todo list |
| 09:03:42 | amiconn | Iiuc the 4-gray tomato can go even faster than the monochrome one in the iriver remote |
| 09:04:05 | LinusN | seems so yes |
| 09:04:31 | amiconn | Maybe you can use the fast version for all clocks (if the wires allow it) |
| 09:05:03 | LinusN | hopefully |
| 09:06:00 | LinusN | would be cool if the asm spi stuff could be reused without copying the code |
| 09:06:56 | amiconn | I don't think that will be possible |
| 09:07:16 | amiconn | The various bits are probably on different ports |
| 09:07:32 | LinusN | that can be solved with #define |
| 09:08:11 | LinusN | an spi-remote.c file which includes lcd-remote-target.h |
| 09:08:25 | LinusN | which has the #define |
| 09:08:32 | LinusN | for the ports and pins |
| 09:08:36 | amiconn | Hopefully there is no ticking, so you don't need a number of other special measures |
| 09:08:42 | LinusN | true |
| 09:09:33 | amiconn | Quiescing /CS can't hurt though |
| 09:11:30 | LinusN | true again |
| 09:14:55 | amiconn | away now... |
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| 09:19:36 | Lynx_ | just got my koss porta pros, that is some bass, jesus |
| 09:19:45 | Lynx_ | maybe a little too much |
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| 09:36:00 | JdGordon | no such thing as too much bass! |
| 09:37:52 | Lynx_ | hehe |
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| 09:41:23 | Bg3r | JdGordon: see your wiki idea |
| 09:41:58 | JdGordon | i saw it a min ago, unless youve added another comment? |
| 09:42:23 | JdGordon | im not sure if logfing it is the best way to go? |
| 09:43:31 | Bg3r | well, this "unknown button [combo]" shouldn't map to a known action, therefore we return ACTION_NONE |
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| 09:46:18 | Bg3r | also, what happened with STD_NEXT_REPEAT ? |
| 09:46:22 | Bg3r | etc |
| 09:47:07 | Bg3r | LinusN: imho this %CODE{cpp}% thingy shouldn't put a border |
| 09:47:17 | JdGordon | do we really need a _REPEAT for every action? |
| 09:47:30 | LinusN | Bg3r: why not? |
| 09:48:09 | Bg3r | LinusN: imho it would look better... |
| 09:48:59 | Bg3r | JdGordon: currently it's used for not overlapping in the lists when holding the prev/next button, also in the setting's value |
| 09:49:02 | Bg3r | s |
| 09:49:06 | * | JdGordon has implemented this action stuff in about 50% of the code and is sick of it :D |
| 09:49:40 | JdGordon | Bg3r: ah yes, we can fix that with a context define then, so we dont have 2 cases in every swicth |
| 09:49:54 | LinusN | Bg3r: i think it looks good on larger code snippets, but maybe not on the ButtonActionIdea page |
| 09:51:25 | Bg3r | LinusN: i think it divides the code from the surrounding text too much |
| 09:51:36 | JdGordon | gah! youve mangled my wiki page :D |
| 09:51:42 | Bg3r | JdGordon: what do you mean? |
| 09:52:07 | JdGordon | the code... (i was being silly) |
| 09:52:10 | Bg3r | (that was regarding your previous message) |
| 09:53:05 | JdGordon | oh |
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| 09:55:13 | JdGordon | OH! thats what gui_synclist_limit_scroll(lists, false); is for.. ok |
| 09:55:31 | Bg3r | :P |
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| 09:57:55 | JdGordon | done |
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| 10:03:14 | LinusN | Bg3r: better now? |
| 10:03:17 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:03:21 | Bg3r | just to say it :) |
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| 10:06:52 | JdGordon | :'( this patch is getting massive |
| 10:08:13 | JdGordon | cvs server down? |
| 10:08:48 | LinusN | no |
| 10:09:16 | JdGordon | taking ages to start doing the diff |
| 10:09:20 | LinusN | but the server has a very high load atm, i'm investigating |
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| 10:09:28 | JdGordon | ok, ill cancel it then |
| 10:09:38 | JdGordon | no, it just finished really qiuckly :D |
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| 10:21:45 | JdGordon | woot!!! size comparison on h300 with the patch 40-50% complete... 80bytes smaller! |
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| 10:23:23 | midkay | haha. congrats. |
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| 10:49:24 | Bg3r | JdGordon: hehehe ;) |
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| 10:49:52 | Jungti1234 | hi Bg3r |
| 10:50:17 | Bg3r | hi ;) |
| 10:50:24 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 10:50:32 | Jungti1234 | long time no see.. |
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| 10:52:10 | Bg3r | yeah, busy lately |
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| 10:56:32 | Bg3r | inline int do_button_check(struct button_mapping *items, int button, int last_button, int *start) |
| 10:56:47 | Bg3r | JdGordon: does this _really_ need to be inline ? |
| 10:56:57 | Bg3r | in fact, does the compiler make it inline ? |
| 10:57:35 | JdGordon | Bg3r: i dunno, i just split it out because its there 3 times, and im working on the assumption inlined code works faster than a funciotn call |
| 10:57:53 | Bg3r | this is a big func |
| 10:57:56 | JdGordon | youd have to check the .a to actually see if its inlined |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:19 | Bg3r | i think u should return the raw value only if it's a SYS_ event |
| 11:01:27 | JdGordon | it definatly is inlined... i removed the inline and the size shrunk 118bytes |
| 11:01:36 | Bg3r | more ? |
| 11:01:47 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:01:58 | Bg3r | so, 200 bytes less ? |
| 11:02:05 | JdGordon | thanx cvs, ye |
| 11:02:16 | JdGordon | but will the removing the inline slow it down? |
| 11:02:24 | Bg3r | i doubt it :) |
| 11:02:37 | Bg3r | it isn't called _so_ often |
| 11:04:00 | JdGordon | it can be called up to 4 times per press |
| 11:05:13 | Bg3r | and button press is checked HZ times/sec |
| 11:07:35 | JdGordon | ... i guess we can benchmark it, but no point just yet |
| 11:07:51 | LinusN | JdGordon: where can i view the patch? |
| 11:08:13 | JdGordon | the wiki page has the latest |
| 11:08:33 | JdGordon | is CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD defined for targets without a remote? |
| 11:10:05 | LinusN | it shouldn't be |
| 11:11:41 | JdGordon | i guess that will probaly be got rid of anyway, so ill check against BUTTON_REMOTE instead |
| 11:14:09 | LinusN | Bg3r: as long as do_button_check() isn't called by the button driver, we should be fine |
| 11:14:21 | Bg3r | yep |
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| 11:19:13 | LinusN | JdGordon: i must say that this looks promising |
| 11:19:40 | JdGordon | :) thats what i like to hear |
| 11:19:45 | Bg3r | yeah |
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| 11:20:17 | LinusN | i'd like to see the keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c file |
| 11:20:27 | JdGordon | sure, 1 min |
| 11:20:51 | JdGordon | do_button_check will be called 2 times at most (3 on remote targets) |
| 11:22:34 | JdGordon | LinusN: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/ has the patch and the .c |
| 11:23:54 | JdGordon | and action.c also |
| 11:24:48 | LinusN | somehow i feel that get_context_mapping() could be omitted |
| 11:25:03 | LinusN | but maybe it simplifies the handling of the remote buttons? |
| 11:26:12 | Bg3r | JdGordon: |
| 11:26:14 | Bg3r | what about |
| 11:26:52 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, it makes remotes simpler |
| 11:27:19 | Bg3r | not having additional context per remote, but just having the remote buttons at the end and changing them with remote plugging/unplugging ? |
| 11:27:22 | JdGordon | as well as the rest of the keys |
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| 11:28:14 | JdGordon | Bg3r: i thought about that, but how do you know where the end of the list is? and how many to change? also the remote context lists are only checked if the button was from the remote |
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| 11:28:49 | Bg3r | hm.. |
| 11:28:53 | JdGordon | look @ action.c the link above, ive added a bit of comments which might help |
| 11:29:44 | Bg3r | JdGordon: you know where the end of the list is the same way u know now ... |
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| 11:31:37 | JdGordon | well hang on... whats the point? if we need to define which gets changed to which anyway, doesnt it make sense to just define it and not have to worry about changin the values at runtime (instead just change one value)? |
| 11:31:44 | JdGordon | that may not have made sense |
| 11:31:58 | Bg3r | in fact u're right;) |
| 11:32:32 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:35:34 | Bg3r | just a cosmetic thing |
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| 11:36:23 | Bg3r | isn't more logical the struct members to be in the following seq |
| 11:36:36 | Bg3r | { Button code, Prereq button code, Action Code } |
| 11:37:25 | * | Bg3r shuts up :-[ |
| 11:38:41 | JdGordon | Bg3r: actually i tinhk it should be action code, button code then pre-req but im too lazy to change it now :p |
| 11:38:53 | Bg3r | or that, yep |
| 11:44:12 | markun | LinusN: what do you mean by "Currently, Rockbox can't handle unicoded file names in the file API" |
| 11:44:22 | JdGordon | :'( i broke it |
| 11:44:31 | Bg3r | JdGordon: ? |
| 11:44:51 | Bg3r | i hope u don't mean the player! |
| 11:45:17 | JdGordon | hehe no, just the action.c code |
| 11:45:25 | Bg3r | heh, then it's ok :P |
| 11:45:35 | LinusN | markun: the file i/o functions only take 8-bit file names |
| 11:45:58 | LinusN | int open(const char* pathname, int flags) |
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| 11:47:47 | Bg3r | JdGordon: am ... |
| 11:48:00 | LinusN | markun: gah, maybe i'm wrong |
| 11:48:12 | JdGordon | Bg3r: ? |
| 11:48:16 | Bg3r | if ((timeout == TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK) || (timeout == TIMEOUT_BLOCK)) |
| 11:48:19 | Bg3r | button = button_get(timeout); |
| 11:48:19 | Bg3r | else button = button_get_w_tmo(timeout); |
| 11:48:19 | Bg3r | if (button == ACTION_UNKNOWN |
| 11:48:55 | JdGordon | ye, that was my bad, should be BUTTON_NONE, fixed that |
| 11:48:59 | Bg3r | so, the returned value of button_get[_w_tmo] .. |
| 11:49:03 | Bg3r | :) |
| 11:49:03 | LinusN | markun: i forgot that we supported utf-8 |
| 11:49:07 | markun | :) |
| 11:49:13 | markun | That's what I thought |
| 11:49:59 | LinusN | still, i'm curious about the fat_direntry size |
| 11:52:08 | LinusN | hmmm, i remember having this discussion a long time ago |
| 11:52:43 | LinusN | and we decided to keep the name[256] to keep memory usage down |
| 11:53:21 | JdGordon | stupid uninitialized variables!! isnt gcc upposed to warn against them? |
| 11:54:00 | LinusN | it depends if it can detect it or not |
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| 11:56:16 | JdGordon | sweet, it resumes the wps on startup correctly now :) last thing to figure out is why the remote buttons dont work |
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| 11:56:32 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 11:56:37 | JdGordon | im such a dill! |
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| 11:56:53 | JdGordon | checking ret&BUTTON_REMOTE is fairly useless :p |
| 11:56:57 | Bg3r | :P |
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| 11:58:09 | JdGordon | it works!!! the whole thing works! |
| 11:58:23 | LinusN | halleluja |
| 11:58:27 | JdGordon | contectual buttons, remotes, the whole bang lot! |
| 11:58:36 | Bg3r | :P |
| 11:58:39 | LinusN | way to go! |
| 11:58:45 | barrywardell | LinusN: I have been working on getting the H10 target up and running |
| 11:58:49 | Bg3r | JdGordon: upload the working version :) |
| 11:59:07 | * | LinusN does the button action dance |
| 11:59:13 | barrywardell | but am wondering about the whole target vs #ifdef thing |
| 11:59:17 | LinusN | barrywardell: goodie |
| 11:59:32 | LinusN | barrywardell: i'm not surprised |
| 11:59:44 | barrywardell | am I best to try to keep everything in it's own dir in target? |
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| 12:00:42 | LinusN | the goal is to avoid conditional compilation in the firmware code, and have the target specific stuff in the target tree |
| 12:00:53 | barrywardell | It seems like the iAudio is half way there |
| 12:01:00 | LinusN | kind of a HAL/BSP style concept |
| 12:01:15 | barrywardell | but still has some conditional stuff eg. in button.c |
| 12:01:41 | barrywardell | the target way seems much cleaner and easier to figure out what's going on |
| 12:01:47 | LinusN | yes, the iaudio is not complete, button.c and ata.c are some examples |
| 12:02:13 | LinusN | ata.c is an example where some functions could be in the coldfire/ dir |
| 12:03:26 | barrywardell | i was thinking that. They were the two that I had come across. |
| 12:04:19 | barrywardell | I was planning on just adding #ifndef TARGET_TREE to those for the H10 but am worried that that might break the iAudio code |
| 12:05:03 | LinusN | i'm moving the iaudio button stuff now |
| 12:06:19 | barrywardell | ok, great. so I should try to use target tree for everything H10 specific then? |
| 12:06:40 | LinusN | yes, please |
| 12:08:02 | barrywardell | what about the #defines in button.h? |
| 12:10:56 | LinusN | they go in iriver/h10/button-target.h |
| 12:11:06 | LinusN | hang on for the x5 example, will commit soonish |
| 12:11:15 | JdGordon | hmm... i did cvsdo add on the keymaps folder and the files inside it but tis still not in the cvs diff? |
| 12:11:50 | LinusN | cvs diff -uN? |
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| 12:13:10 | barrywardell | LinusN: thanks. I'll look out for it and use it as a reference |
| 12:13:16 | JdGordon | LinusN: yes |
| 12:13:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: odd |
| 12:13:51 | LinusN | (i don't use cvsdo myself, so i don't know what could be wrong) |
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| 12:14:14 | JdGordon | LinusN: yes, i dont have any other choice :p |
| 12:14:35 | linuxstb | diff -u3 /dev/null apps/mynewfile.c >> mypatch.diff |
| 12:15:07 | JdGordon | ok, thanks |
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| 12:23:07 | JdGordon | ok, the proper patch is on the wiki now |
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| 12:24:46 | Bg3r | JdGordon: really, i don't think you should return the raw value .. |
| 12:25:09 | JdGordon | i changed it.. it returns ACTION_UNKNOWN |
| 12:25:35 | Bg3r | k ;) |
| 12:25:48 | Bg3r | or the SYS_* part |
| 12:26:28 | JdGordon | ye, or SYS_* or BUTTON_NONE (ACTION_NONE) |
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| 12:27:36 | JdGordon | how does the ipod scrolling work in the lists? does it stop you at the end of the list like holding down on iriver does? |
| 12:27:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 12:28:22 | JdGordon | k |
| 12:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It stops for a second, then continues though |
| 12:29:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't have to release / stop scrolling |
| 12:33:24 | midkay | yes you do.. |
| 12:33:50 | midkay | your finger might run off the wheel slightly causing it to detect a stop/restart of scrolling but it won't wrap until such an event occurs. |
| 12:34:09 | JdGordon | ok good, because thats how it will be after this patch :D |
| 12:34:12 | midkay | it's actually quite easy to fool it that way.. |
| 12:34:12 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:34:15 | midkay | :) |
| 12:35:45 | JdGordon | ipod keymaps has been added to the wiki (untested, needs work) |
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| 12:40:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Odd, as apparently my finger slips a constant 1 second after reaching the end of the list every time then... |
| 12:40:35 | JdGordon | subconsiously probably... |
| 12:40:52 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: indeed. it doesn't take long for rockbox to detect a finger release.. |
| 12:41:02 | midkay | could quite possibly be a small glitch or maybe it's just too sensitive.. |
| 12:41:07 | sharpe | gah. everytime i type 'rocks' i type 'rockbox' |
| 12:41:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 12:41:51 | sharpe | i think my subconscious is telling me something... |
| 12:41:54 | midkay | sharpe: that's happened to me too. |
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| 12:42:17 | midkay | in fact, several times when i'm typing my last name (roberts) i start typing rockbox instead. |
| 12:42:24 | midkay | i just did it THERE when i typed my last name even. |
| 12:42:28 | JdGordon | haha |
| 12:42:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can't write words that start with i without capitalizing the second letter. |
| 12:42:35 | midkay | r o c [backspace] b ... |
| 12:42:35 | midkay | :) |
| 12:42:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | iNconsiderate, iHop, etc. |
| 12:42:43 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:42:59 | midkay | iHop. that's nice. |
| 12:43:03 | midkay | they should change their name. |
| 12:43:09 | midkay | i hop! |
| 12:43:22 | sharpe | i hope! |
| 12:43:54 | midkay | iLl-concieved! |
| 12:43:56 | midkay | hm. |
| 12:44:06 | midkay | the "i-before-e-except-after-c" rule doesn't apply there. |
| 12:44:12 | midkay | or. |
| 12:44:14 | midkay | does it?! |
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| 12:44:23 | midkay | huh. i guess it does. |
| 12:44:30 | midkay | that's interesting. "conceive" looks so .. WRONG. |
| 12:44:56 | midkay | wtf. |
| 12:45:16 | midkay | first google result for "concieve" is a bit .. weird.. |
| 12:45:19 | midkay | All for Maybe_Baby Trying To Concieve !! |
| 12:45:19 | midkay | A Very friendly supportive group for those on a Quest trying to conceive and experiencing Infertility,Secondary Infertility,Miscarriage or just looking for ... |
| 12:45:19 | midkay | groups.msn.com/AllforMaybeBabyTryingToConcieve - 39k - |
| 12:45:25 | midkay | oh. |
| 12:45:28 | midkay | never mind. |
| 12:45:32 | midkay | misread that. carry on. :E |
| 12:45:35 | sharpe | just what you're looking for midkay... :-D |
| 12:45:39 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:45:42 | midkay | stfu. |
| 12:45:45 | midkay | *bookmarks when nobody's looking* |
| 12:45:50 | sharpe | ahahah |
| 12:46:10 | midkay | i thought it said like.. "for those on a quest to experience infertility, miscarriage.." |
| 12:46:26 | sharpe | hahah |
| 12:46:55 | midkay | sharpe: snag hl2:deathmatch. |
| 12:47:20 | sharpe | eh? |
| 12:47:26 | midkay | what is unclear about that?! |
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| 12:47:33 | sharpe | oh. |
| 12:47:43 | sharpe | telling me to get hl2. i get it. |
| 12:47:59 | midkay | yeah. exactly. |
| 12:48:03 | midkay | so do it. |
| 12:48:16 | midkay | the power of christ compels you! |
| 12:48:20 | sharpe | i thought you meant like, something else. |
| 12:49:06 | midkay | something naughty? *can't see any possibilities of anything remotely off-topic even with his sick brain*.. |
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| 12:49:23 | sharpe | nah. just. my brain didn't really think of snag as an action. |
| 12:49:56 | midkay | as an adjective? |
| 12:50:03 | midkay | adverb? noun?! |
| 12:50:13 | midkay | complex conjugate? whatever that is. |
| 12:50:40 | sharpe | ahah. i don't know. but it wasn't a verb. |
| 12:50:49 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:50:53 | midkay | still. get it ffs. |
| 12:51:17 | sharpe | ah, maybe sometime. |
| 12:51:45 | midkay | it's ten bucks ffs. deathmatch, that is. |
| 12:52:13 | sharpe | ah. |
| 12:52:23 | sharpe | maybe i'll get it sometime today. |
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| 12:52:30 | midkay | isn't that worth your getting owned by both me and scorche?! |
| 12:52:45 | midkay | you'd pay like fifty bucks for that ffs. |
| 12:52:52 | sharpe | yes, yes i would. |
| 12:53:13 | midkay | we'll kick your ass on my map. :D |
| 12:53:37 | midkay | haha. wow. |
| 12:53:41 | midkay | looking back on older revisions. |
| 12:53:44 | midkay | disgusting. |
| 12:53:47 | sharpe | then i'll make my cube map that you can walk though. |
| 12:53:59 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:54:02 | midkay | http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/184/park9vl.jpg |
| 12:54:02 | midkay | :E |
| 12:54:22 | midkay | that's exactly 3 weeks ago. |
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| 12:54:51 | sharpe | i've never seen such horrid mapping. |
| 12:54:55 | midkay | shot from about the same angle from like last night. |
| 12:54:58 | midkay | http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4899/residential1uw8.jpg |
| 12:55:01 | midkay | haha. it's called beta/WIP you idiot. |
| 12:55:10 | midkay | wait. |
| 12:55:13 | midkay | yes. |
| 12:55:16 | sharpe | hah. i'm just kidding. |
| 12:55:37 | midkay | eat me. :( |
| 12:56:41 | midkay | WAIT. |
| 12:56:44 | midkay | i have older ones. |
| 12:57:30 | midkay | here. older still. http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3162/dmresidential49ar.jpg |
| 12:57:33 | midkay | different angle though. |
| 12:57:39 | midkay | *holds on to old screenshots* |
| 12:58:28 | sharpe | makes me cringe. |
| 12:58:33 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:58:36 | midkay | insensitive clod. |
| 12:58:46 | sharpe | indifferential jerk. |
| 12:58:58 | midkay | i care. you don't |
| 12:59:04 | midkay | you;re the indiferna tjerkl |
| 12:59:07 | sharpe | :) |
| 12:59:10 | midkay | try to correct the spelling on that one! |
| 12:59:14 | sharpe | you know i'm just kidding. |
| 12:59:22 | midkay | GAH. |
| 12:59:37 | midkay | i hate accidentally touching the volume knob on this headset's little inline remote. |
| 12:59:44 | midkay | it flies upwards. never downwards. :( |
| 12:59:53 | aliask | I hate those knobs full stop |
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| 13:00:06 | midkay | hm? |
| 13:00:13 | midkay | very useful, just too touchy. :\ |
| 13:00:30 | sharpe | too touchy? hmm... sounds like it could be taken in the wrong context. |
| 13:00:36 | aliask | Whats wrong with adjusting the volume on the player, or on the computer? |
| 13:00:45 | midkay | not even *i* thought of that sharpe. you are a tard. |
| 13:00:54 | aliask | It just adds another thing to screw up in my opinion |
| 13:00:56 | midkay | aliask: too much hassle on the computer, i guess.. |
| 13:01:04 | midkay | i just leave PC volume on full. |
| 13:01:09 | midkay | i never use these for my iPod. |
| 13:01:13 | sharpe | i'm a tard. thanks. not even a complete retard. thank you midkay. |
| 13:01:20 | midkay | not a problem sharpe. |
| 13:01:24 | midkay | you get some credit for.. you know. |
| 13:01:28 | midkay | i don't know. |
| 13:01:30 | sharpe | trying? |
| 13:01:33 | aliask | i'm used to my volume wheel thing on my keyboard... :D |
| 13:01:33 | midkay | sticking around when nobody wants you to. |
| 13:01:37 | midkay | :DDDD |
| 13:01:42 | midkay | aliask: haha, ah.. |
| 13:01:46 | sharpe | yeah, i apparently do that a lot. |
| 13:01:50 | midkay | in fact i have some volume buttons here.. |
| 13:01:55 | midkay | but just feels nicer to use a knob. |
| 13:02:02 | sharpe | just the buttons, they're not connected to anything. |
| 13:02:05 | midkay | sharpe: we love you, jkjkjkjk. |
| 13:02:08 | aliask | btw that map is pretty good looking |
| 13:02:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 13:02:12 | midkay | you idiot sharpe. |
| 13:02:17 | sharpe | ? |
| 13:02:34 | midkay | aliask: thanks. still majorly working on it.. plenty of changes from that version in fact. :) working on it now. |
| 13:02:38 | midkay | if sharpe wasn't such a distractor. |
| 13:02:46 | sharpe | it's what i do best. |
| 13:02:57 | * | aliask shakes fist at sharpe to blend in with the crowd |
| 13:03:02 | midkay | haha. |
| 13:03:11 | sharpe | eh, i only distract midkay and scorche. |
| 13:03:34 | aliask | and now me too! |
| 13:03:37 | aliask | DAMN YOU |
| 13:03:40 | aliask | :D |
| 13:03:50 | aliask | (from homework...) |
| 13:04:08 | aliask | (good work) |
| 13:04:12 | midkay | haha. |
| 13:04:15 | midkay | and. haha. |
| 13:04:18 | sharpe | i haven't slept, i have nothing to do, all apparently i'm doing is fixing my schedule for this year. |
| 13:04:23 | midkay | at snarkpit.net i clicked the "go to a random user profile page" button. |
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| 13:04:30 | midkay | and i got "error: profile does not exist!" |
| 13:05:22 | sharpe | sounds like a really bad joke. |
| 13:05:36 | midkay | indeed. |
| 13:05:43 | sharpe | especially the exclamation mark. |
| 13:05:49 | midkay | hmhm. me is amused by some statistics. |
| 13:05:53 | sharpe | and the fact it was totally off topic. |
| 13:05:56 | midkay | haha. it wasn't a direct quote ffs. |
| 13:06:25 | midkay | :\ |
| 13:06:31 | sharpe | :D |
| 13:06:34 | midkay | gah. |
| 13:06:38 | midkay | need to go to bed soon/ |
| 13:07:13 | sharpe | i should've gone nine hours ago. |
| 13:07:35 | midkay | more of that "going to bed" and ten minutes later send-random-message-to-#rockbox crap?! |
| 13:08:10 | sharpe | no, that was a sleepless night where i had nothing to do. |
| 13:08:26 | midkay | haha. |
| 13:08:31 | sharpe | and i did not send random message crap. i was involving myself in the conversation. |
| 13:08:54 | midkay | really. i didn't notice anybody acknowledge your thoughts, message or presence in any way. |
| 13:08:59 | midkay | ... either time. |
| 13:09:29 | midkay | i love you. |
| 13:09:44 | sharpe | ... |
| 13:09:55 | midkay | ha. i knew it. |
| 13:10:33 | midkay | brb! |
| 13:10:38 | sharpe | ... |
| 13:10:43 | midkay | silly little man. |
| 13:11:04 | LinusN | wow, moving the button code defines to the target tree turned out to be a major hassle... |
| 13:11:22 | sharpe | LinusN: the centralizing it? |
| 13:11:30 | aliask | Technical issue? Or just time consuming? |
| 13:12:33 | LinusN | well, the button codes are moved to an include file in the target tree, e.g firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/button-target.h |
| 13:12:54 | LinusN | which means that the include path must be changed in all makefiles |
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| 13:13:07 | sharpe | oh. |
| 13:13:18 | barrywardell | LinusN: I know. I was looking at it last night. Thanks for doing that. |
| 13:13:46 | sharpe | ... |
| 13:14:09 | LinusN | well, it would have to be done sooner or later |
| 13:15:30 | barrywardell | have you committed it to cvs? I don't see it on the activity list on the homepage. |
| 13:19:47 | aliask | How polite. |
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| 13:26:26 | solexx | Do the people running rockbox.org already know that Twiki is exploitable again? |
| 13:27:03 | solexx | (couldn't find it in today's IRC log, so I thought I might ask) |
| 13:27:28 | midkay | i don't think so... |
| 13:27:34 | Bg3r | solexx good to let us know, but try on private next time ... |
| 13:27:53 | solexx | sorry |
| 13:28:14 | midkay | not a big deal.. i don't think spammers/hackers search IRC logs to find out that there's a potential exploit in some way :) |
| 13:28:44 | Bg3r | LinusN, Bagder and Zagor are the people, responsible for the rockbox.org server |
| 13:29:07 | linuxstb | I trust they subscribe to the appropriate Twiki mailing lists... |
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| 13:31:20 | Mikachu | solexx: use the exploit to update twiki :P |
| 13:31:37 | solexx | :) |
| 13:32:08 | solexx | I am not even sure that rocjbox.org is vulnerable, but I don't fully understand the advisory (since I have never touched Twiki except by using it) |
| 13:33:22 | LinusN | solexx: are you referring to the bin/configure POST exploit? |
| 13:35:39 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox website is slow. is it so me only? |
| 13:35:52 | Jungti1234 | ah, TWiki. |
| 13:36:35 | JdGordon | <LinusN> well, the button codes are moved to an include file in the target tree <- couldnt you just do a #include for each target in button.h? then thats the only file that will need changing? |
| 13:37:21 | solexx | LinusN: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertCmdExecWithConfigure |
| 13:37:27 | solexx | Configure script allows arbitrary shell command execution (CVE-2006-3819) |
| 13:37:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: that's exactly what is being done, but button.h is included by many files, for example all the plugins |
| 13:39:03 | solexx | LinusN: in other words: yes :) |
| 13:39:12 | JdGordon | .. leave it till after actions are implemented and then the only file that woud need to include the button.h is the keymap file for that target |
| 13:39:44 | LinusN | solexx: we weren't vulnerable to this, as we already have the configure script restricted |
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| 13:40:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: the include path will probably need to be changed anyway |
| 13:40:40 | solexx | Fine. After the first(?) break-in last year I always think of Rockbox when I hear about Twiki... |
| 13:40:58 | LinusN | solexx: thanks for the heads-up |
| 13:44:02 | solexx | my pleasure |
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| 13:46:48 | Mikachu | how much free space should i keep on my / partition in rockbox? |
| 13:47:44 | JdGordon | 0.. it should be full of music |
| 13:47:50 | JdGordon | and games |
| 13:48:05 | Mikachu | well, the games need some space for highscores and rockbox uses some small control files |
| 13:49:07 | Mikachu | i guess a few kbs is enough |
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| 13:52:49 | Bg3r | but one fat32 cluster size on a 30GB partition is about 32kb ... |
| 13:53:59 | Mikachu | fortunately my ipod nano has 4kb clusters |
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| 14:10:04 | JdGordon | ho hum.. im bored again |
| 14:15:10 | Landus | Gotta question. |
| 14:15:30 | Landus | Just today, there's a few songs that skip when played. |
| 14:15:46 | Landus | Would deleting them, then putting them back on be a decent idea? |
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| 14:17:20 | linuxstb | I don't think that would help. What player do you have? |
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| 14:20:58 | barrywardell | LinusN: Are you going to commit that patch to cvs or hold off like JdGordon suggested? If so, could you please mail me a patch to work off of? |
| 14:21:36 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Did you manage to find any other interesting stuff connected to the GPIO pins apart from the buttons? |
| 14:22:08 | barrywardell | i found whether usb was connected or not |
| 14:22:32 | barrywardell | i've documented all the gpio stuff I know so far in the wiki |
| 14:22:33 | LinusN | barrywardell: i will commit it |
| 14:23:20 | barrywardell | I also found a way to turn the system off using the gpio |
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| 14:43:59 | JdGordon | does party mode only affect the pause on the remote? im looking at the code and it seems the check for party mode in only if WPS_RC_PAUSE is defined? |
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| 14:44:13 | JdGordon | ... or im too tired and should be sleeping instead of fiddling |
| 14:44:17 | Davide-NYC | I Mmmm in the House? |
| 14:44:24 | Davide-NYC | *Is Mmmm in the house> |
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| 14:46:30 | * | JdGordon is baffled by some of the wps code... it really needs a good cleanup :p |
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| 14:59:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: what do you feel remains in the button handler? |
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| 15:00:00 | JdGordon | LinusN: i tihnk its mostly done, we need to figure out the final list of ACTION_STD_ and we should make sure it actually works on the heavily button deficiant targets |
| 15:00:27 | LinusN | and of course add keymaps for all targets |
| 15:00:33 | JdGordon | ye |
| 15:01:10 | JdGordon | i dont mind doing the convereting of the code by myself, but i cant do button mappings for any other target except iriver |
| 15:01:26 | LinusN | of course |
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| 15:01:31 | dionoea_work | hi |
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| 15:02:38 | JdGordon | because its a huge commit, can we branch the cvs untill its working then patch the MAIN branch against the changes? so people dont complain about no working cvs builds for however long the whole changeover takes? |
| 15:03:18 | LinusN | i think we should commit the whole shebang at once |
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| 15:04:11 | LinusN | i mean, the old button_get() code still works, doesn't it? |
| 15:04:27 | JdGordon | ok, initial wps stuff is in |
| 15:04:57 | JdGordon | ye, the main problem is not haaving mappings for any targets except iriver and ipod atm |
| 15:05:10 | JdGordon | i mean, it potentially could go in tonight if we had them |
| 15:05:36 | dionoea_work | people with targets which don't work will fix those :) |
| 15:06:05 | JdGordon | the problem is that untill that is fixed rockbox is completly unusable |
| 15:06:21 | dionoea_work | then they'll fix it rapidly :D |
| 15:06:39 | * | linuxstb makes mental note not to do cvs update today... |
| 15:06:48 | Bg3r | :D |
| 15:07:13 | Bg3r | linuxstb: no, u're wrong, better do it _now_ ;) |
| 15:07:49 | linuxstb | I'm too busy cursing portalplayer and dreaming of having a datasheet for the PP5020 |
| 15:07:58 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 15:08:31 | JdGordon | so... volunteers to do keymapping on the recorder (i have a tiny bit for that one), player, ondio and x5? |
| 15:08:34 | dionoea_work | while you're talking about PP5020, has anyone started work on using both cores in rockbox ? |
| 15:09:05 | dionoea_work | JdGordon: i can do the recorder when i get back from work (i just bough a brand new usb AA cable) |
| 15:09:16 | linuxstb | dan_a mentioned yesterday that he was playing with that. |
| 15:09:23 | Bg3r | JdGordon: unfortunately i can't help u with this, as i have only h340 |
| 15:10:03 | dionoea_work | linuxstb: neat :) 1 audio thread on one core and all the other threads on the other core ? or something more complex ? |
| 15:10:34 | Bg3r | JdGordon: in fact the target's manual can help u a bit ... |
| 15:10:41 | * | linuxstb wants more Rockbox devs hacking the PP5020... |
| 15:11:04 | JdGordon | Bg3r: yes and no |
| 15:11:19 | Bg3r | linuxstb: bring a .pdf and i'm sure there will be volunteers |
| 15:11:22 | * | dionoea_work would be willing to help (i never did any asm before ... but it shouldn' be too hard) |
| 15:11:33 | linuxstb | Bg3r: I've got lots of PDFs... |
| 15:11:52 | JdGordon | pp5020 is in the 4g riught? |
| 15:11:57 | Bg3r | JdGordon: i said a bit ;) |
| 15:12:22 | * | JdGordon has access to a 4g that needs a new hdd that i can play with |
| 15:12:36 | JdGordon | but the only asm ive ever done was mips and i wasnt very good |
| 15:14:10 | JdGordon | anyway.. back to the buttons |
| 15:14:54 | JdGordon | oh, is it safe to use the same define for the standard select and goto-browser in the wps? its the same on iriver but others? |
| 15:16:46 | JdGordon | actually. change that... I tihnk the wps should not use any standard defines (possibly the same for fm and rec) |
| 15:16:54 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, all the 4g and later ipods (including the minis, Nano and 5g) use either the pp5020, pp5021 or pp5022, and they all seem to be compatibie with each other. |
| 15:18:19 | Bg3r | linuxstb: in fact, what are the differences between them (if it happens to know ...) |
| 15:18:53 | dionoea_work | linuxstb: btw, what work (apart from the dual core stuff) needs to be done on the pp5020 ? |
| 15:21:24 | linuxstb | Bg3r: The PP5022 uses less power and has more IRAM compared to the PP5020. No information at all is available on the PP5021, but it was launched at the same time as the PP5022. |
| 15:22:31 | linuxstb | dionoea_work: The dual core stuff is more or less completely understood. I think the only thing we don't know is how to independently set the speed of the two CPUs (which I think is possible only to a limited degree anyway). |
| 15:23:07 | Bg3r | hm, i'm wondering if there is any chance PP to open their datasheets if apple refuses to work with them in the future... |
| 15:23:16 | dionoea_work | so that's like feedning it random stuff and seeing how it reacts ? or reading apple firmware dissassembly ? |
| 15:23:45 | linuxstb | But we generally know almost nothing about the PP5020 - it's all just guesswork. For example, I'm trying to get rolo working reliably at the moment, and it works fine if I don't enable the CPU cache in Rockbox, but with the CPU cache enabled, I can't get it working reliably. |
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| 15:27:55 | JdGordon | ok, wps is 90% done, with iriver mapping |
| 15:28:35 | dionoea_work | linuxstb: how did the ipodlinux guys and you find what is currently known ? guessing ? reading firmware ? |
| 15:29:23 | JdGordon | something must be wrong... after adding the wps code we are down 500 bytes from cvs.. :D |
| 15:29:45 | linuxstb | I found out what I know by reading the IPL source code (and some guesswork). I suppose the IPL people read the firmware and guessed. |
| 15:30:24 | goffa | *yawn* 2 more days of coming it at 7am |
| 15:30:39 | dionoea_work | is everything on http://ipodlinux.org/Pp5020 ? |
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| 15:32:21 | linuxstb | There and in the IPL and Rockbox source... |
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| 15:40:28 | JdGordon | grr.. the wps code is shocking, and the actoins code is not reliable at all for the ffwd/rwd actions :'( |
| 15:40:56 | LinusN | lovely :-) |
| 15:41:21 | JdGordon | i dont think it will be all that painful to fix, just have to figure out the problem |
| 15:41:39 | LinusN | probably because the wps enters a new state when doing ff and rew |
| 15:42:44 | JdGordon | ye, i tinhk its something like that |
| 15:43:34 | JdGordon | also the code isnt easy to follow, where is the logic in the ffwd case falling through to the rewind case? |
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| 15:48:36 | LinusN | barrywardell: i have now committed the x5 button driver changes |
| 15:49:18 | barrywardell | LinusN: great thanks. I'll have a look through it now |
| 15:49:23 | goffa | just code cleanup or did something change? |
| 15:49:36 | LinusN | code cleanup |
| 15:50:01 | goffa | that works too :) |
| 15:50:10 | goffa | i keep hoping for this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3298.30 |
| 15:50:41 | goffa | instead of the menu i'd go for right does queue and play... and navi does the same thing it always has |
| 15:50:51 | * | LinusN mumbles something along the lines of "dream on"... :_) |
| 15:51:11 | LinusN | goffa: i agree that it would be a nice feature |
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| 15:51:22 | goffa | yeah i know... frustrating when you can't code :) |
| 15:51:59 | goffa | the irony is that it would be much easier to implement than say playlist catalog, voice menus, doom, etc |
| 15:52:10 | JdGordon | hmm... i tinhk the problem was i got carried away with removing lines i removed some needed lines accidently :p |
| 15:52:35 | LinusN | goffa: not necessarily easier |
| 15:52:37 | goffa | so all i can do is beg and whine ;) or bitch and moan.. take your pick.. he he eh |
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| 15:53:05 | Bg3r | JdGordon: hehe, see the diff then |
| 15:53:42 | JdGordon | hmm.. actually, i dont tinhk so |
| 15:53:54 | * | JdGordon cant follow this code @ midnight :p |
| 15:54:27 | JdGordon | ill do one last diff so you guys can get some targets done while i sleep |
| 15:54:43 | Bg3r | what happened with the WPS ? |
| 15:55:32 | JdGordon | it works except prev/next track and seeking in a track isnt very reliable |
| 15:57:40 | LinusN | goffa: for example, the patch in the tracker assumes that all targets have a Right button, which they don't |
| 15:58:39 | LinusN | it's not a big deal, we just won't offer the quick-queue feature on targets that lack buttons |
| 15:58:53 | LinusN | but the patch is not cvs-material because of this |
| 15:59:18 | pekuja | I'm having a bit of a problem with my iriver H320 running CVS-060602 of Rockbox. It seems like the battery drains rather quickly even when the player is turned off. Is this a known issue, a misconfiguration or just my battery going bad? |
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| 16:00:16 | LinusN | 06-06-02? that's oooold! |
| 16:00:39 | JdGordon | still.. battery draing while its off? |
| 16:00:56 | JdGordon | actions.diff is just under 100kb.. |
| 16:02:02 | LinusN | pekuja: you should really consider upgrading to a later version, since your version has the dreaded USBOTG bug which literally *eats* battery |
| 16:02:31 | pekuja | LinusN, heh, could be that then I guess |
| 16:02:36 | pekuja | LinusN, but while it's turned off? |
| 16:02:51 | LinusN | well that could be a sign of your battery going bad |
| 16:02:56 | pekuja | yeah |
| 16:03:06 | pekuja | I'll have to test how long it lasts while actually using it |
| 16:03:19 | LinusN | but upgrade before you do that |
| 16:03:43 | goffa | LinusN: yeah... i think it would be better to have it committed anyway for those that can utilize it.. since it doesn't take anything away from existing players |
| 16:04:03 | goffa | it just adds functionality to those that can use it |
| 16:04:24 | goffa | like not all players have recording or fm radio |
| 16:04:33 | LinusN | in the current state, i suspect it doesn't even compile on all targets |
| 16:05:09 | goffa | yeah... probably not.. but isn't there a way to disable that for targets that don't support it? |
| 16:05:44 | LinusN | i told you |
| 16:05:53 | LinusN | it's not a big deal, we just won't offer the quick-queue feature on targets that lack buttons |
| 16:06:07 | LinusN | but someone has to: |
| 16:06:13 | JdGordon | *cough* can be added easily once actions are in :D |
| 16:06:17 | LinusN | 1) update the patch so it applies to the current CVS |
| 16:06:44 | LinusN | 2) make sure it isn't included on targets that don't have enough buttons |
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| 16:07:43 | YauM | hello |
| 16:08:25 | YauM | I have some pb with a IAUDIO X5 and voices |
| 16:08:31 | pekuja | LinusN, I'll update tonight I guess. Is there a new version coming out anytime soon though? |
| 16:08:47 | YauM | can someone help me please ? |
| 16:08:49 | LinusN | pekuja: every day, as usual |
| 16:08:52 | pekuja | LinusN, I remember 2.6 was being worked on last I checked, but it seems like they're talking about 3.0 on the mailing list? |
| 16:09:04 | pekuja | LinusN, well yeah, but I mean a new release version :-P |
| 16:09:09 | LinusN | pekuja: use a daily build |
| 16:09:16 | pekuja | sure sure |
| 16:09:17 | LinusN | 3.0 is postponed |
| 16:09:30 | LinusN | YauM: what is your problem? |
| 16:09:34 | pekuja | ok |
| 16:10:18 | YauM | LinusN: when I presse the menu bouton while a song his playing rockbox freeze |
| 16:10:37 | LinusN | YauM: while music is playing? |
| 16:10:46 | YauM | yes |
| 16:10:47 | LinusN | interesting |
| 16:11:10 | YauM | escuse my very bad english |
| 16:11:48 | YauM | On the screen I have : |
| 16:11:53 | YauM | I00: |
| 16:11:59 | YauM | at 000058FF |
| 16:12:03 | LinusN | wow |
| 16:12:24 | YauM | and after i must hold the supply button 10 sec |
| 16:13:10 | YauM | This is the same with french and english voices |
| 16:13:24 | YauM | with the today build |
| 16:13:30 | YauM | and the blending edge build |
| 16:14:04 | YauM | I make something wrong ? |
| 16:14:16 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 16:14:41 | YauM | It is a knew bug ? |
| 16:17:16 | JdGordon | alrighty, im going to bed, gnite all... someone port the archos' buttons :D |
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| 16:18:20 | YauM | It is a known bug |
| 16:20:18 | LinusN | YauM: i don't know, we have quite a few reports on voice problems |
| 16:21:04 | YauM | you think I must report the bug in the bug traker ? |
| 16:24:28 | LinusN | YauM: do this: |
| 16:24:45 | LinusN | 1) upgrade to the latest version, and make sure you extract the enture zip file |
| 16:25:31 | LinusN | 2) find a way to repeat the bug, so we developers can make it crash |
| 16:25:39 | LinusN | 3) report in the tracker |
| 16:25:48 | * | amiconn is back, and spots more target tree work |
| 16:27:26 | YauM | ok but I must try with the daily build or the blending edge release ? |
| 16:27:46 | LinusN | YauM: daily build is preferred |
| 16:28:19 | YauM | ok i will try |
| 16:28:43 | LinusN | thank you |
| 16:29:29 | LinusN | gtg, cu later |
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| 16:53:54 | Knasbollen | hello |
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| 17:01:06 | barrywardell | where in the build process is ipod.c selected to be built? |
| 17:01:18 | barrywardell | it's in bootloader |
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| 17:08:39 | linuxstb | barrywardell: bootloader/SOURCES |
| 17:09:38 | barrywardell | thanks |
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| 17:10:24 | Moos | Hello ! |
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| 17:13:47 | midgey34 | hmm, it seems my cygwin is stuck in a loop |
| 17:15:38 | midgey34 | I replaced a bitmap in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native and it keeps building that directory over and over |
| 17:16:03 | linuxstb | Try a make clean - the bitmap build system doesn't always work as it should... |
| 17:16:22 | linuxstb | But I've never heard of that before. |
| 17:17:14 | sharpe | woohoo. |
| 17:17:31 | midgey34 | well, its the exact build I built last night except I replaced one bitmap that someone on misticriver posted |
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| 17:19:03 | Benedetto | hi all |
| 17:20:43 | midgey34 | well, I fixed the problem. The new bitmap was 16bit instead of 24 |
| 17:21:18 | Knasbollen | do ya know if one can have both linux and rockbox in the same iPod? |
| 17:21:33 | midgey34 | yes, you can |
| 17:21:38 | Benedetto | are there French speaking people who work on the rockbox project ? |
| 17:23:27 | BockBilbo | any of you is using the rockscobbler plugin? |
| 17:23:30 | BockBilbo | i mean.. script |
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| 17:23:49 | linuxstb | Knasbollen: Just install ipodlinux first (making sure you use the IPL loader2 bootloader), and then you just need to download the correct rockbox.zip for your ipod, and unzip to your FAT32 partition. |
| 17:24:00 | _apo_ | Hm... would it be possible to partition the iPod and put an OS on one partition that a PC can boot? |
| 17:24:05 | Knasbollen | ok thx |
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| 17:25:23 | Lynx_ | BockBilbo: where would i get that script from? |
| 17:26:58 | BockBilbo | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 |
| 17:27:21 | BockBilbo | works good for submiting tracks to last.fm if you have the audioscrobbler plugin for rockbox |
| 17:27:39 | BockBilbo | though, i have a little problem with it when making it work automatically |
| 17:28:42 | BockBilbo | when pluggin my ipod to my computer, it executes the script twice because i have 2 partitions on my ipod (one for music and the other for IPL)... |
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| 17:28:52 | BockBilbo | and that seens to be working poorly |
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| 17:30:20 | Lynx_ | ok |
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| 17:34:51 | amiconn | linuxstb, midgey34: Such build loops may happen if a source file has a future timestamp |
| 17:35:13 | amiconn | meh |
| 17:35:27 | * | amiconn should read backlogs completely before commenting :/ |
| 17:35:56 | midgey34 | it had a future timestamp as well |
| 17:36:04 | midgey34 | two hours from now actually |
| 17:36:18 | amiconn | 16bit _should_ be no problem for bmp2rb |
| 17:36:55 | midgey34 | ok, well saving it to 24bit created a new timestamp anyway so all is good |
| 17:37:01 | amiconn | But if a source file has a future timestamp (regardless of the source file type), 'make' falls into a loop because the condition will be never fulfilled |
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| 17:37:17 | amiconn | 'touch' is your friend in this case |
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| 17:39:33 | lex | hey |
| 17:40:07 | lex | why does my my music stop for a while when i use ie. oscilloscope when i play music on my photo? |
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| 17:44:44 | _apo_ | Probably because it doesn't get decoded fast enough |
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| 17:49:37 | lex | :( |
| 17:49:43 | lex | that's what i thought too |
| 17:49:52 | lex | -too :o |
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| 18:33:35 | dionoea_work | I was wondering: can someone add me to the Developers list on flyspray so i can accept bugs/fix them ? |
| 18:34:34 | midgey34 | dionoea_work: you have a 5G ipod then? |
| 18:34:41 | dionoea_work | yeah :) |
| 18:34:48 | dionoea_work | and an old recorder |
| 18:34:58 | midgey34 | well, then by all means good luck fixing that bug |
| 18:35:10 | dionoea_work | did you already give it a try ? |
| 18:35:39 | dionoea_work | (i was planing on doing bitmaps for color targets anyway) |
| 18:36:02 | midgey34 | no, I didn't have a chance. I spent my time working on my plugins |
| 18:36:33 | midgey34 | it works on the simulator though |
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| 18:37:38 | dionoea_work | yeah, that's weird |
| 18:38:22 | dionoea_work | what plugins did you do btw ? (just curious) |
| 18:39:04 | midgey34 | umm blackjack and pegbox, both are on the tracker |
| 18:39:22 | midgey34 | blackjack has two bugs though that are rather annoying |
| 18:39:56 | dionoea_work | the pegbox description looked like it could be fun ... i'll have to give it a try :) |
| 18:40:07 | midgey34 | please do |
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| 18:50:20 | barrywardell | how does the 'MKFIRMWARE' part of the build process work? |
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| 18:50:40 | barrywardell | Bagder: do you have any thoughts about how to incorporate mi4code |
| 18:51:05 | barrywardell | I have a new build target for the H10 done apart from that |
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| 19:04:56 | Bagder | barrywardell: for now I think you can just require it to be in the path |
| 19:05:42 | barrywardell | ok |
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| 19:58:51 | x1jmp | is it possible to read samples from the microphone/line-in into a buffer? |
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| 20:08:03 | aarond_ | dunno |
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| 20:09:18 | filR | hi |
| 20:10:32 | aarond_ | hi |
| 20:10:58 | filR | everyone idle'ing i guess. :/ |
| 20:11:24 | aarond_ | yah |
| 20:11:33 | filR | but perhaps someone can help me anyway .. i suddenly can't see any of the files on my 5g ipod. i can however see the directories. |
| 20:11:41 | filR | well, that's the whole point of irc. to idle. :) |
| 20:11:51 | aarond_ | yeah I dont get it either |
| 20:12:06 | aarond_ | even after I got cable I dont idle unless I leave in hurry |
| 20:12:35 | filR | i even joined a special idle room .. where you get points for saying nothing. |
| 20:12:41 | filR | but it grew boring after a week or two. :) |
| 20:12:43 | pekuja | idlerpg? |
| 20:12:47 | filR | yeah. |
| 20:12:55 | pekuja | I've played that |
| 20:12:57 | pekuja | it was too hard |
| 20:13:08 | filR | well, i didn't have the skills. :( |
| 20:14:15 | filR | so, anyway, no one here has heard of something similar happening to anyone? ie. suddenly only seeing no files == empty directories on the device? :) |
| 20:14:55 | aarond_ | nope |
| 20:15:03 | filR | w00t, i am unique. |
| 20:15:10 | aarond_ | I have a different problem, but guess I'll just have to re-encode |
| 20:15:23 | filR | codec problems? |
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| 20:15:31 | aarond_ | rockbox doesn like some AAC files I just made for some reason |
| 20:15:51 | aarond_ | and I cant stand the gaps in regular ipod firmware |
| 20:15:59 | aarond_ | the gaps seem worse than usual |
| 20:16:03 | filR | gapless playback ftw. |
| 20:16:15 | filR | hm, well, i don't really like aac though. |
| 20:16:40 | aarond_ | so I load it into rockbox which I havent used in a while, then head out to work and pfftttttt it crashes when I try playing them |
| 20:16:47 | aarond_ | I like it a lot more than mp3 |
| 20:17:18 | aarond_ | just like the day before I only had a few files downloaded and they were flac, I put them on because I thought it supported flac, but nope |
| 20:17:21 | filR | to proprietary. (well, mp3 isn't much better) |
| 20:17:34 | filR | hm, rockbox does actually support flac. |
| 20:17:47 | aarond_ | maybe not on nano |
| 20:17:47 | filR | at least on my ipod i can play flac. or could. now i just can't see them anymore. ;)( |
| 20:18:04 | filR | hm, it should be able to play flac on nano as well afaik. |
| 20:18:11 | aarond_ | cant see them on the ipod or on the computer |
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| 20:18:23 | filR | only on the ipod. |
| 20:18:38 | filR | that is what is so weird about it. |
| 20:18:41 | aarond_ | might be file extension problem? thats all I can think of |
| 20:19:24 | obo | filR: hold down menu to bring up the quick screen - what's the view setting at the bottom? |
| 20:20:15 | filR | hm, the view setting? under general settings? |
| 20:20:46 | obo | well, quick screen is easier to get to - I can't remember where it is in the normal menu :) |
| 20:20:54 | filR | ha, ok, found it. |
| 20:20:55 | filR | thanks. |
| 20:21:07 | filR | i knew it was something simple like a borked setting. |
| 20:21:27 | filR | (the weird thing is - i even formatted / reinstalled rockbox. guess it didn't change the setting oO) |
| 20:21:52 | obo | nope, the settings are stored in an otherwise unused sector on the harddrive |
| 20:22:40 | filR | really? neet. pretty weird place to put them though, isn't it? |
| 20:23:04 | k8to | obo??????? |
| 20:23:10 | obo | yup - there is talk that it will be moved to a config file system at some point |
| 20:23:11 | obo | yes? |
| 20:23:24 | k8to | sorry that was me expressing shock |
| 20:23:32 | filR | hehe |
| 20:23:38 | amiconn | k8to: why? |
| 20:23:49 | obo | yeah, that's what I was thinking... |
| 20:24:00 | amiconn | There are reasons why the settings are stored as they are stored |
| 20:24:02 | k8to | there is a filesystem available! |
| 20:24:10 | filR | *starts copying 30gb music again after formatting his ipod* |
| 20:24:45 | amiconn | k8to: (1) The settings saving is older than write support in the filesystem. (2) Using a binary sector is faster |
| 20:25:34 | k8to | is it necessary to access the settings very often? |
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| 20:25:39 | amiconn | But the versioning starts to become annoying, and .cfg won't be that bad |
| 20:25:59 | amiconn | A few settings will stay binary though (but in a file) |
| 20:26:07 | amiconn | k8to: Yes, e.g. resume info |
| 20:26:19 | k8to | a bin file shouldn't be slower really |
| 20:26:23 | k8to | if you store the offset to it etc |
| 20:26:46 | k8to | more hassle to write that sort of thing though |
| 20:27:04 | aarond | hi |
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| 20:27:40 | amiconn | The file can simply be kept open if it turns out we need the speed |
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| 20:29:07 | aarond | anyone know why certain aac would break rockbox? |
| 20:29:38 | k8to | aarond: slightly corrupt files? faad has a bug? |
| 20:29:42 | obo | the current aac decoder is a bit flakey |
| 20:29:51 | aarond | oh ok |
| 20:30:03 | aarond | never seen it happen before |
| 20:30:09 | aarond | might have been the encoder I used |
| 20:30:23 | filR | aarond: itunes aac encoder? |
| 20:30:23 | aarond | there seems to be a larger than usual gap between tracks thats all |
| 20:30:35 | k8to | that is probably a cputime thing |
| 20:30:38 | aarond | in apple firmware I mean |
| 20:30:51 | aarond | so I wanted to hear them in rockbox but they all make it crash |
| 20:31:06 | aarond | no I used a little freeware app to convert from flac |
| 20:31:32 | obo | I think I remember someone saying that itunes encoded ones worked... (but I could be wrong) |
| 20:31:33 | k8to | consider ogg for higher quality for filesize ;P |
| 20:31:37 | aarond | its called Max |
| 20:31:52 | filR | oh well, if you converted them yourself, a dirty way around the problem would probably be encoding them as ogg (or mp3). :D |
| 20:31:53 | aarond | well yeah I want to but it will eat more battery yes? |
| 20:31:59 | filR | i also use max .. |
| 20:32:21 | aarond | I just got it cause I needed something to convert from flac and it sounded good |
| 20:32:25 | filR | k8to: i wouldn't go so far as to say ogg vorbis has the better quality when compared to aac. :) |
| 20:32:34 | k8to | filR: i was comparing it to mp3 |
| 20:32:41 | k8to | sorry if that was unclear |
| 20:32:44 | filR | k8to: in that case i agree with you. |
| 20:32:45 | filR | hehe. |
| 20:32:45 | obo | I think the current aac decoder will use more battery than mp3/ogg |
| 20:32:51 | aarond | I just dont want to use mp3, aac and ogg sound better |
| 20:33:04 | aarond | hmm ok, I might have time to convert to ogg before work |
| 20:33:17 | k8to | certain faad uses much more cputime on my x86 |
| 20:33:20 | k8to | than libvorbis |
| 20:33:25 | aarond | damn what am I thinking, my computer is too slow |
| 20:33:33 | filR | aarond: quite frankly, i doubt you, or any of use, or anybody, will here the difference once you go 192kbit. (especially on a portable device) |
| 20:33:38 | aarond | I might do as mp3 just for now |
| 20:33:39 | k8to | maybe that is kind of meaningless though |
| 20:34:01 | filR | s/here/hear/ |
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| 20:34:47 | k8to | at ogg 160kbps on my samsung player with e6i earphones, i can notice some artifacting |
| 20:34:54 | k8to | but it is not obvious at all |
| 20:35:23 | amiconn | aarond: ipod? |
| 20:35:32 | aarond | I dont hear artifacts in ogg at low bit rates, just sort of a fuzziness but I like it more than the mp3 crap |
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| 20:35:46 | aarond | nano yes |
| 20:35:47 | amiconn | aarond: On ipod, ogg is more efficient than mp3 in rockbox |
| 20:35:48 | k8to | yeah i meant "deviation from the original" |
| 20:35:52 | k8to | not "specifica artifacts" |
| 20:35:55 | aarond | really? |
| 20:35:55 | amiconn | (currently) |
| 20:35:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:36:03 | aarond | wish I had time, blah |
| 20:36:09 | k8to | amiconn: because of the decoder used? |
| 20:36:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: It may be closer now with the change to -O for libmad. I (or someone) need to test the effect of -O on other codecs. |
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| 20:36:39 | filR | k8to: that is why i try to get as much flac as possible. then i don't have to start worrying about whether or not i might be hearing encoding artifacts. |
| 20:36:54 | k8to | filR: i use a 1 gig player |
| 20:37:08 | filR | k8to: well, that should get you about .. 2-4 albums. :D |
| 20:37:16 | k8to | filR: woo |
| 20:37:51 | * | amiconn is annoyed by his non-working sound and goes to reboot |
| 20:37:54 | aarond | I would use flac for now if it would play them |
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| 20:38:37 | filR | k8to: space is definelty an issue. but i just recently bought a 30gig ipod and am currently too lazy to reencode music (from flac to lame -V 4) before copying it onto the ipod. |
| 20:38:39 | linuxstb | aarond: There is a patch to improve mp4 parsing on the patch tracker. If you don't want to patch and compile Rockbox yourself, I think senab's "experimental builds" include it. I would be interested to see if that patch fixes your problem. |
| 20:39:00 | linuxstb | None of the devs use AAC, so the codec is a little abandoned. |
| 20:39:12 | k8to | filR: i encoded my stuff at 160kbps largely because it hought the cputime was being exhausted on the device, but it turns out it the oggs generated for trance music for some reason give the player indigestion |
| 20:39:31 | k8to | (native firmware) |
| 20:39:41 | k8to | which is fine because trance is not very good music |
| 20:39:47 | filR | lol. |
| 20:39:50 | aarond | never had a problem with any AAC files before so I thought it was weird |
| 20:41:09 | linuxstb | How did you encode these one? |
| 20:41:12 | linuxstb | ones/ |
| 20:41:13 | linuxstb | ? |
| 20:41:32 | aarond | using Max |
| 20:41:51 | aarond | set it to AAC 192 |
| 20:41:59 | aarond | I mean MP4 |
| 20:42:12 | filR | max uses the core aac encoder btw. (different to the itunes aac encoder) |
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| 20:42:17 | aarond | the first time I set it to AAC something and itunes wouldnt play it |
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| 20:42:34 | linuxstb | As I said, there is a patch on the patch tracker which hopefully will help you. But the patch needs people to test and give feedback. |
| 20:42:52 | aarond | so I started over with mp4 and the ipod plays them but with nasty gaps |
| 20:43:10 | aarond | oh ok |
| 20:43:10 | linuxstb | You mean Apple's firmware plays with gaps, or Rockbox? |
| 20:43:28 | aarond | apples, rockbox crashes or something |
| 20:43:52 | aarond | should my nano play flac? |
| 20:43:56 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 20:44:20 | linuxstb | Assuming they are .flac files, and not FLAC in a .ogg file. |
| 20:44:22 | goffa | that's like hauling a motorhome with a vw beetle though :) |
| 20:44:30 | goffa | well storage wise |
| 20:44:32 | goffa | plays them fine |
| 20:44:46 | aarond | they say .flac |
| 20:44:54 | linuxstb | And what does Rockbox do? |
| 20:46:00 | aarond | says there is no file or something after I try playing, could be because the rest of the torrent wasnt done? but the files I tried were so it doesnt make sense |
| 20:46:09 | aarond | Im going to try it again now |
| 20:46:42 | linuxstb | Are you sure the files were completely downloaded? |
| 20:46:48 | filR | do you have flac installed on your system? you could try checking the flac files with "flac -t song.flac" in the console. |
| 20:46:51 | amiconn | Torrents aren't done in order, and depending on the client, the files might be all mixed up until the download is complete |
| 20:46:53 | filR | (go flac crc!) |
| 20:47:18 | amiconn | At least the original client does that |
| 20:47:58 | filR | you could also try playing the flac file with vlc/cog/... (but that will not necessarily ensure that the file is not damaged) |
| 20:48:15 | aarond | they were downloading one bye one and I put ones on that had stopped |
| 20:49:16 | aarond | it plays now :) |
| 20:49:48 | filR | :) |
| 20:49:55 | aarond | damn, do I deal with gaps or wipe half the thing to hear it without gaps? |
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| 20:56:57 | goffa | i 2nd that |
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| 20:58:10 | maquis | hello all. |
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| 20:58:26 | maquis | first off, thanks to all the people who've worked on rockbox. i just installed it this morning and i like it |
| 20:59:06 | maquis | i do have one question, though... i've copied my music in, and it's organized into little directories by genre. is there a way to tell it i want to shuffle through all the music rather than just one directory-worth? |
| 20:59:26 | maquis | i'm not seeing that in my quick glances through the manual |
| 20:59:44 | bluebrother | maquis, generate a playlist with all tracks and shuffle that list. |
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| 20:59:58 | maquis | bluebrother: ok... so there's no way to do it without a playlist? ok |
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| 21:00:12 | * | maquis tries to come up with the easiest way to generate a playlist with everything in it |
| 21:00:14 | gamerD00d | maquis, if you ar ein the browser, click and hold your select button, and then go to playlist menu item, then simply click insert into playlist |
| 21:00:26 | maquis | gamerD00d: cool |
| 21:00:32 | bluebrother | no −− when playing a directory you actually create a playlist (the dynamic playlist) |
| 21:00:33 | goffa | gamerD00d: beat me too it :) |
| 21:00:36 | goffa | er to |
| 21:00:46 | aarond | rockbox working on 3G ipods alright? |
| 21:00:52 | gamerD00d | afaik |
| 21:00:54 | maquis | goffa, bluebrother, gamerD00d: thanks a ton :) |
| 21:00:56 | goffa | bluebrother: that's been a bone of contention with me .. lolo |
| 21:00:59 | goffa | er lol |
| 21:01:08 | goffa | having an extra o problem today aparently |
| 21:01:26 | linuxstb | aarond: Yes, to some degree. The codecs are running even slower than on the newer ipods. |
| 21:01:52 | aarond | probably wouldnt be worth it for my friend |
| 21:02:24 | aarond | was just telling him about the gap problem |
| 21:03:58 | aarond | decided that I will listen to flac today :) |
| 21:05:08 | filR | flac are nice. :) |
| 21:05:50 | goffa | lossless what else can you say :) |
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| 21:10:10 | aarond | as long as it doesnt eat my whole battery on the way to work |
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| 21:10:27 | aarond | I dont know why anyone would want it on a portable device |
| 21:10:50 | aarond | I was hopping someone upped it in flac just so that I could convert it to whatever I wanted |
| 21:11:20 | aarond | last years convert was mp3 only and I could tell the difference from the previous one I got in AAC |
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| 21:12:00 | linuxstb | Your battery might even last longer playing FLAC - the Rockbox FLAC decoder is very efficient, and the Nano has no hard disk to keep spinning up. |
| 21:12:16 | goffa | yeah.. lot of truth to that |
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| 21:13:06 | goffa | of course on a nano you'd better REALLY like the 10 or so songs :) |
| 21:13:36 | goffa | probably more like 50.. but you get the drift |
| 21:14:11 | filR | aarond: because i am too lazy to convert it. also flac playback is very efficient (but it has to read a lot of data) |
| 21:15:18 | aarond | which is why I worry about battery |
| 21:15:32 | aarond | though I only need it for an hour for the trip and maybe a little at work |
| 21:16:22 | aarond | is flac the best of its kind? Im guessing yes due to the popularity |
| 21:16:37 | aarond | I dont usually use it, just wanted it for the above reason |
| 21:16:52 | filR | aarond: well, it is the most popular. there isn't really a "best" |
| 21:17:10 | aarond | since its lossless |
| 21:17:11 | filR | there are ones with better tags, and ones with better compression. but it is the most wide-spread and supports the most plattforms. |
| 21:17:31 | aarond | I havent tried apple lossless but wouldnt be like AIFF or Wave? |
| 21:17:47 | filR | hm, not it would be like flac basically. |
| 21:18:03 | aarond | compressed just a little? |
| 21:18:12 | aarond | with not loss of quality, ic |
| 21:18:31 | aarond | I used to keep up with formats but I kind of lost track years ago |
| 21:18:40 | filR | hm, probablly compressed better than flac. |
| 21:19:00 | filR | but .. who cares if the 40mb file is 1mb larger or smaller? :) |
| 21:19:03 | aarond | apple lossless? |
| 21:19:08 | aarond | yeah really |
| 21:19:11 | filR | :) |
| 21:19:29 | aarond | I'll stick with AAC for my nano, but maybe I will back up CDs on dvd some day |
| 21:20:13 | filR | if you want to do that, i really do recommend going lossless. harddrives are cheap these days - and you can't go wrong with lossless. |
| 21:21:33 | aarond | usually my CDs only get ripped once and then go in a box though |
| 21:21:53 | aarond | Ive been meaning to convert again to AAC or something but its too much work |
| 21:21:59 | aarond | computer is too slow too |
| 21:22:31 | filR | well, i enjoy having everything on my linux server. that makes it easy to decode and reencode musik (if i need it for my ipod for example). |
| 21:23:04 | filR | but you could do the same with osx. write a couple of automator scripts (or shell scripts). :) |
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| 21:26:39 | aarond | need more HD space |
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| 21:27:04 | aarond | everytime I try to clear some, there is something mysterious still hogging space |
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| 21:31:18 | aarond | wow no gap, crazyness |
| 21:31:43 | * | aarond thought the ipod gap problem was going to be gone years ago |
| 21:31:48 | aarond | I dont understand why its still there |
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| 21:32:51 | Galois | apple (or any company for that matter) doesn't care about small minorities |
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| 21:33:17 | Galois | and the set of people who care about gaps is a very small minority |
| 21:33:19 | aarond | yeah, too many people dont care, but it bugs me pretty bad |
| 21:33:29 | aarond | its weird that sometimes its almost gapless on my nano |
| 21:33:58 | aarond | I havent used rockbox in a while, used to update every monday |
| 21:34:07 | bluebrother | damn. Seems like resuming after usb disconnect isn't working anymore. |
| 21:35:09 | filR2 | aarond: yeah, gapless playback is quite annoying on the (original) ipod. or the lack of it. |
| 21:35:10 | bluebrother | has someone also this effect? H120, stop playback, then connect to USB. After disconnect the player tries to resume (wps comes up) but nothing happens. Audio thread shows zero for the pcm buffer |
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| 21:36:46 | aarond | if I knew why certain files were almost gapless in regular ipod firmware I would fix as much as I could |
| 21:37:05 | aarond | most of the time its for stuff that doesnt need it but I like the way they play closer together |
| 21:37:30 | aarond | I swear the AAC I made yesterday have larger gaps than usual |
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| 21:45:38 | markun | aarond: perhaps it depends on how much of the last frame is left at the end of the track |
| 21:47:12 | dionoea | re |
| 21:47:34 | aarond | hmm ok |
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| 21:57:18 | Lucky_devil | hi2all |
| 21:57:29 | Lucky_devil | rockbox is FANTASTIC! |
| 21:57:36 | Lucky_devil | THANKS! |
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| 22:00:49 | Ribs | rockbox is the shit \o/ |
| 22:01:34 | Lucky_devil | :wtf: |
| 22:02:50 | aarond | competely |
| 22:02:58 | aarond | I need to get back to using it |
| 22:03:23 | aarond | dont remember why I stopped, I think I wanted to let it improve some more for a while or something |
| 22:03:29 | aarond | even though it was working fine |
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| 22:05:11 | Lucky_devil | IS any cue-sheet support? |
| 22:06:16 | markun | no |
| 22:06:52 | Lucky_devil | =((( |
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| 22:15:13 | Lucky_devil | but why? |
| 22:15:28 | Lucky_devil | is it so hard? |
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| 22:15:45 | midkay | nobody's done it yet. |
| 22:15:50 | midkay | simple as that. |
| 22:16:49 | Lucky_devil | :( |
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| 22:19:41 | scorche | Lucky_devil: thewre is a discussion about it on the forums if you care to search |
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| 22:23:08 | midkay | scorche. |
| 22:23:10 | midkay | wake up. |
| 22:23:12 | midkay | let's play. |
| 22:23:24 | scorche | cant...work in like 2 sec |
| 22:23:31 | midkay | liar. |
| 22:23:32 | midkay | :( |
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| 22:27:10 | dionoea | /home/dionoea/rockbox/sh1/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.3.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full (/home/dionoea/rockbox/rockbox/builds/archos/apps/rombox.elf section .rodata) |
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| 22:27:19 | dionoea | weird ... is gcc 4.x.x mandatory ? |
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| 22:31:36 | linuxstb_ | For SH, I think so, yes. You also need to apply a patch to get it to work with Rockbox. |
| 22:31:49 | amiconn | dionoea: Read the wiki, and update your sh-elf-gcc |
| 22:31:58 | dionoea | that's what i'm doing :) |
| 22:32:11 | amiconn | The recommendation is gcc 4.0.3, rockbox patched |
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| 22:32:47 | dionoea | i just had my old crosscompile env available ... |
| 22:32:51 | dionoea | but that didn't work :) |
| 22:33:32 | amiconn | Reason: We use -Os now, and there's a bug (in all sh-elf-gcc versions I tested) that produces invalid jumptables with -O2, -O3 and -Os under certain conditions. |
| 22:33:52 | amiconn | gcc 4.0 and up do a better job with -Os than 3.x |
| 22:34:05 | dionoea | ok, thanks for the explanation |
| 22:36:57 | amiconn | I reported the jumptable problem to the gcc team, and I know *what* the proper fix would be, but not how to implement it. The patch is safe, but not 100% "clean" |
| 22:37:26 | dionoea | and they still didn't fix it upstream ? |
| 22:37:52 | amiconn | Not sure... up to 4.1.0 there was no fix |
| 22:38:06 | amiconn | Maybe the sh maintainer is busy/unreachable/whatever |
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| 22:48:36 | dionoea | yay, it worked :) |
| 22:49:15 | * | dionoea updates a 2 year old rockbox build |
| 22:50:18 | amiconn | Ugh |
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| 22:50:35 | amiconn | dionoea: Prepare for the shock... ;) |
| 22:50:46 | dionoea | :) |
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| 22:56:39 | filR2 | does anyone use last.fm / audioscrobbler with rockbox? |
| 22:57:10 | obo | yes :) |
| 22:58:03 | filR2 | w00tness. i assume there is a patch i have to "install"? probably i will need to upload the .scrobbler files manually? |
| 22:58:06 | dionoea | old bugs/patches/feature requests should be cleaned from the tracker (if they don't apply anymore) |
| 22:58:55 | obo | filR2: yes, there is a patch - you need to either setup a dev enviroment, or use an experimental build that has the patch |
| 22:59:18 | obo | there is a perl script to upload the .scrobbler.log file to last.fm |
| 22:59:28 | filR2 | u, crap. that sounds like no fun. (compiling rockbox) |
| 22:59:52 | markun | it's a lot of fun! |
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| 23:00:09 | filR2 | lol. |
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| 23:00:36 | obo | patch is here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 |
| 23:01:27 | filR | thanks. |
| 23:02:31 | filR | i think i will try it out tomorrow. :) |
| 23:02:46 | dionoea | is the ipod 5g the only target with slow LCD code ? |
| 23:03:17 | amiconn | No, but the one where it hurts most |
| 23:03:32 | amiconn | (because the LCD is so large.... too large for a DAP imho) |
| 23:03:39 | dionoea | ok, thanks |
| 23:03:55 | * | filR likes his 5g screen. :( |
| 23:03:58 | linuxstb_ | Too big for music, and too small for video... |
| 23:04:13 | filR | video .. now that is a pointless feature. |
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| 23:06:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know the archos AV700... that is a video screen size where it starts to be fun. |
| 23:06:58 | amiconn | But already too large to be really portable |
| 23:07:43 | filR | but when or where would one watch videos on a portable device (and not a laptop)? |
| 23:08:26 | amiconn | Video on the small screens is imho a nice gimmick, even usable a bit. But far from the 'must have' it seems to be according to the request we get |
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| 23:09:02 | dan_a | I think if I had video I'd use it on the 3 hour ferry trips I have to make quite regularly |
| 23:09:13 | dan_a | But it isn't a killer feature at all for me |
| 23:09:36 | dionoea | the screen is kind of small to watch a movie |
| 23:09:38 | amiconn | filR: * longer runtime than a laptop. * less hassle |
| 23:09:43 | filR | i agree. now if you could stream tv/videos onto your portable device on the other hand (eg. on your cell phone) .. |
| 23:09:53 | filR | amiconn: true. |
| 23:09:56 | amiconn | The AV700 has a TV tuner |
| 23:10:19 | filR | nice. |
| 23:10:47 | dionoea | analog TV or DVB-T ? |
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| 23:11:24 | amiconn | DVB-T |
| 23:11:46 | filR | i have even seen cell phones with tv tuners (dvb i believe). |
| 23:11:54 | amiconn | http://www.archos.com/products/tv_centric/av_700TV/index.html?country=us&lang=en&culture=us-en |
| 23:11:59 | dionoea | that's neat :) |
| 23:12:26 | dionoea | country=us ... do they have DVB-T in the USA ? |
| 23:12:45 | amiconn | I've switched to english before posting the link |
| 23:13:57 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: No, they have their own digital terrestrial TV system - ATSC |
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| 23:16:51 | linuxstb_ | The AV700 looks interesting though - capturing the original DVB-T transport streams is a nice feature. |
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| 23:18:36 | amiconn | dionoea: RED... |
| 23:18:52 | dionoea | RED what ? |
| 23:19:12 | amiconn | Red builds |
| 23:19:17 | pekuja | apparently after 3 hours of being turned off, my iriver has drained 7% of its battery |
| 23:19:20 | dionoea | ouch |
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| 23:20:17 | amiconn | Monochrome targets abviously cannot set foreground/background.... |
| 23:20:28 | dionoea | i'm fixing it :) |
| 23:21:05 | pekuja | can anyone tell me whether rockbox even technically can have anything to do with the battery drainage while the device is turned off? |
| 23:21:25 | pekuja | I'm not trying to blame anybody, I just want to know if my battery is dying on me. |
| 23:21:42 | pekuja | I never noticed this drainage before I installed Rockbox, but that could be a coincidence. |
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| 23:23:05 | Bagder | pekuja: no it can't |
| 23:23:59 | gamerD00d | pekuja, i could have sworn RB had not fully shut off on me once and caused my batt to drain, but hasn't happened since |
| 23:24:23 | dionoea | amiconn: should be fixed now (tested on recorder sim). Thanks |
| 23:24:41 | dionoea | (you should have a bot that reports failed builds here) |
| 23:25:04 | Bagder | well, you should always check the build page after commits |
| 23:25:28 | Bagder | imho |
| 23:25:32 | pekuja | gamerD00d, interesting |
| 23:25:33 | dionoea | :) |
| 23:25:46 | pekuja | anyways, I'm suspecting the battery is dying |
| 23:26:04 | pekuja | I wish there was a definite way of knowing that though :-/ |
| 23:26:27 | pekuja | are the batteries on these things (iriver h3xx) replacable? |
| 23:27:03 | Bger | pekuja: yep |
| 23:27:31 | Bger | at least u can "upgrade" it to one with higher capacity |
| 23:27:32 | gamerD00d | pekuja |
| 23:27:35 | gamerD00d | a way to test |
| 23:27:43 | gamerD00d | is to boot either into disk mode or original firmware |
| 23:27:53 | pekuja | what's disk mode? |
| 23:28:00 | gamerD00d | i say diskmode assuming you're talking about an ipod, sorry |
| 23:28:15 | pekuja | hmn |
| 23:28:19 | gamerD00d | are you talking about an ipod? |
| 23:28:26 | pekuja | no, I'm talking about an iriver |
| 23:28:32 | gamerD00d | k, then disregard that |
| 23:28:40 | gamerD00d | try the original firmware again is all i can suggest |
| 23:29:08 | Bger | pekuja: but reset its settings from the menu |
| 23:29:10 | gamerD00d | i did hear from the devs at one point that the implementation on some devices isn't thorough for charging due to not fully understanding some of the pins |
| 23:29:27 | pekuja | Bger, which settings? |
| 23:29:41 | Bger | the original firmware's settings |
| 23:29:51 | Bger | rockbox messes them sometimes |
| 23:30:24 | gamerD00d | ? never heard of such a thing, however i only have ipod experience with RB |
| 23:31:15 | Bger | gamerD00d: i'm talking about iriver h3xx |
| 23:31:35 | Bger | dionoea: green |
| 23:31:45 | dionoea | Bger: yeah, i saw that :) |
| 23:31:47 | dionoea | thanks :p |
| 23:32:19 | Bger | anyway |
| 23:32:20 | Bger | nite |
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| 23:32:27 | pekuja | damn, what was the method for booting to the original firmware? ;-/ |
| 23:32:38 | pekuja | ah, never mind |
| 23:35:31 | dionoea | ipod mini is supposed to be a 4level gray LCD right ? |
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| 23:36:55 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 23:37:12 | dionoea | the sim is b&w |
| 23:37:28 | dionoea | i'll check that i provided the right configure options |
| 23:37:29 | amiconn | No it's not (at least it shouldn't) |
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| 23:40:46 | dionoea | hum ... /me forgot to run make install which explains why it was still showing the old plugin's b&w version |
| 23:45:14 | barrywardell | crap |
| 23:45:22 | * | barrywardell looks at his bricked h10 |
| 23:45:47 | Bagder | whoa, what's going on? |
| 23:45:47 | dionoea | :) |
| 23:46:06 | barrywardell | dunno, just can't get the disk to mount any more |
| 23:46:26 | barrywardell | i suspect maybe a corrupt partition |
| 23:46:44 | barrywardell | my computer still detects the device and partition but can't mount it |
| 23:47:25 | Bagder | tried remaking the fs? |
| 23:47:41 | barrywardell | i'm gonna try |
| 23:48:09 | barrywardell | should i just try run fdisk and see if i can get it working? |
| 23:48:42 | Bagder | well if the partition is there, what's fdisk gonna help you with? |
| 23:48:54 | Bagder | I was more thinking of doing a fresh mkfs |
| 23:49:01 | Bagder | on the partition |
| 23:49:08 | barrywardell | i'll try that first |
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| 23:54:48 | webguest38 | Hi - does anyone know if there's a manual for 3g iPods? |
| 23:55:09 | Bagder | afaik, there isn't (yet) |
| 23:55:15 | Bagder | but try the 4g one |
| 23:55:30 | Bagder | they should be more or less identical anyway afaick |
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| 23:55:37 | webguest38 | Thanks - is it worth reading the manual for 4g etc? |
| 23:55:46 | Bagder | I think so |
| 23:55:53 | webguest38 | Cool, thanks! |
| 23:56:10 | barrywardell | no luck with mkfs |
| 23:56:21 | barrywardell | it can't find any partitions |
| 23:56:27 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:56:44 | Bagder | then fdisk sounds required |
| 23:56:53 | barrywardell | just tried fdisk - "Unable to open /dev/sda" |
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| 23:57:25 | Bagder | and dmesg says it is sda? |
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| 23:58:38 | barrywardell | yeah, but there are a load of buffer I/O errors |
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