| 00:01:09 | * | dionoea starts cleaning the old feature requests from the tracker |
| 00:01:57 | dionoea | 2002 ! that's old |
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| 00:07:14 | midkay | but is it still a standing bug or unimplemented legitimate feature? :) |
| 00:07:23 | dionoea | should "button reconfiguration" requests be closed ? or are those regarded as valid ? |
| 00:07:50 | dionoea | midkay: i'll only close illegitimate or unvalid or fixed stuff |
| 00:07:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there a specific one you're asking about, dionoea? |
| 00:08:17 | dionoea | well there are lots in 2002 |
| 00:08:22 | midkay | there are lots of those.. |
| 00:08:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think most of the button mappings are fairly set in stone. |
| 00:08:43 | midkay | "hi i'd like it if you could change it so play starts a file instead of select thanks".. :\ (not a quote, just an impersonation).. i think those can be closed.. |
| 00:08:52 | dionoea | k |
| 00:08:58 | midkay | everybody has their own idea of how the buttons should be laid out. |
| 00:09:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, right now, there should only be a couple open ones, the one that makes Play go back to WPS from the menu, and any relating to the Record button on iRivers/iAudios, in my opinion. |
| 00:09:23 | midkay | i don't see them changing much. |
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| 00:15:51 | Mikachu | i hope the ipod ones aren't set until 3.1 is out |
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| 00:21:38 | dionoea | this one would be nice http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1337 |
| 00:22:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would have to change between <empty> and <no supported files> or <no visible files> |
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| 00:23:07 | dionoea | yeah, but the concept is good. i sometimes stare at the screen like 10 seconds before i understand that it's all empty because i was in an empty dir |
| 00:23:10 | amiconn | nls: What gcc version did you use for your experiments? |
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| 00:23:43 | nls | the one in the vmware image |
| 00:23:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Another filetree improvement is a current-location line. Such as /Music/Blah, or [Main Menu] as the top line of the list. |
| 00:23:52 | dionoea | do old archos have WPS support ? |
| 00:23:55 | amiconn | Currently we stick with gcc 3.4.x because code generated with gcc 4.x was slower in some tests |
| 00:24:01 | Bagder | dionoea: yes |
| 00:24:04 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah |
| 00:24:13 | nls | tests were made on a q6 ogg vorbis |
| 00:24:15 | amiconn | Maybe that is no longer true when using the 'right' -O options |
| 00:24:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Though the Player only has a two text-line screen for its WPS. |
| 00:24:27 | dionoea | Bagder: thanks |
| 00:24:42 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: it's just to close a feature request from 2003 :) |
| 00:24:54 | nls | amiconn, how do I check the version? |
| 00:25:05 | amiconn | m68k-elf-gcc -v |
| 00:25:32 | amiconn | Most probably 3.4.6 in the vmware image |
| 00:25:45 | nls | yep |
| 00:26:15 | nls | would the h300 build compile under 4.0 |
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| 00:26:51 | dionoea | should stuff like http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1761 be closed ? |
| 00:27:01 | dionoea | it just isn't possible in the current framework i think |
| 00:27:40 | amiconn | Why not? |
| 00:27:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It wouldn't look very good? ;) |
| 00:27:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 00:28:01 | dionoea | well it only allows 1 bitmap per char doesn't it ? |
| 00:28:10 | amiconn | It should be possible. Italic won't look very good, but okay. |
| 00:28:21 | dionoea | ok, i'll leave it open then :) |
| 00:28:25 | amiconn | AmigaOS does it that way |
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| 00:28:41 | amiconn | dionoea: On the fly... |
| 00:28:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: For 12 pixel tall fonts, you divide the font into 2 or 3 rows, and shift them over by one pixel? |
| 00:28:42 | * | freqmod thinks pc's are best for processing and embedded computer best for presenting precomputed work (fontforge can do some of that) |
| 00:28:50 | amiconn | Bold should be fairly easy |
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| 00:30:23 | amiconn | AmigaOS uses the following methods: For bold, it just prints the characters twice, the second time shifted one pixel to the right |
| 00:30:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | freqmod: Multi-font support would essentially negate a need for that anyway, though I don't know which would be better for battery life. |
| 00:30:34 | amiconn | (of course without destroying the background) |
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| 00:31:06 | amiconn | For italic, it starts at the bottom, and for each 2 pixels going up, it shifts the bitmaps one pixel to the right |
| 00:31:42 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Multi-font support won't necessarily negate a need for otf styles. |
| 00:31:54 | amiconn | They save RAM |
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| 00:32:29 | * | amiconn thinks we should at least have bold |
| 00:32:40 | freqmod | amiconn: how does the o and other characters with vertial lines look, does amigaOS draw the characters shifted diagonally? |
| 00:32:41 | dionoea | what about this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1642 (Sleep mode after n tracks). It's an old patch but the concept doesn't sound stupid to me |
| 00:33:18 | Mikachu | X uses different fonts for bold, not live processing |
| 00:33:56 | * | Paul_The_Nerd agrees with amiconn that bold would be nice at least. |
| 00:34:08 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yeah, X uses _tons_ of fonts, and most of them look fairly ugly compared to the TTFs windows uses, imho |
| 00:34:34 | dionoea | i wonder what undeline+bold+italics would look on the 5 pixel high fonts:) |
| 00:35:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Black blobs at an angle. |
| 00:35:30 | amiconn | Typographically, bold and italic need different fonts, but the algorithmic versions don't look too bad |
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| 00:35:34 | Mikachu | nobody actually uses bitmap fonts in X now of course |
| 00:35:49 | Mikachu | except in terminals where speed is important |
| 00:36:21 | amiconn | dionoea: They wouldn't be readable, but who would use such a combo? |
| 00:36:28 | Galois | as of like four years ago X can fairly easily use the same TTF files that windows uses |
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| 00:42:14 | k8to | Mikachu: are bitmap fonts really much faster? is it because they are smaller in memory? |
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| 00:42:56 | Mikachu | most of the speed impact comes from antialiasing, but core fonts are still faster than xft fonts without aa |
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| 00:43:16 | k8to | i guess i thought that you would antialias once |
| 00:43:23 | k8to | and then buffer the glyphs |
| 00:43:37 | Mikachu | you still need to do the alphablending on the fly |
| 00:43:42 | k8to | i suppose there is subpixel positioning |
| 00:43:59 | k8to | Mikachu: oh, duh |
| 00:44:11 | k8to | thanks |
| 00:44:31 | Mikachu | dammit, it's something i've changed that breaks playback, but i can't isolate it |
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| 00:51:33 | job | hey, I dont get the repeat a-b to work on ipod 4g. cant see how to select the interval |
| 00:51:52 | stripwax | job - press left and right, iirc |
| 00:52:31 | job | uh? |
| 00:52:44 | job | ive put it in repeat mode: a-b |
| 00:52:55 | Mikachu | is that enabled by default? |
| 00:53:33 | job | but then the manual says that I'll mark point a with "Hold Play and press Left —Sets Start Point (A)" |
| 00:53:56 | Mikachu | i don't see the ABREPEAT define in the 4g .h file |
| 00:53:59 | job | either it just pauses the song, or shuts down (playbutton for 6sec) |
| 00:54:30 | job | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray-20060728.pdf |
| 00:54:33 | job | page 37 |
| 00:54:38 | Mikachu | so you need to add that and recompile i think |
| 00:55:04 | Mikachu | a rare case of documentation being more up to date than the code |
| 00:55:34 | job | ^^ |
| 00:55:47 | job | is it easy ? |
| 00:55:58 | Mikachu | no |
| 00:56:06 | job | cause im really tired, and have to sleep *-* |
| 00:56:13 | job | thanks! |
| 00:56:29 | job | anyway thx for a great firmware! |
| 00:56:32 | job | LOVE IT! |
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| 01:00:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Play+Left and Play+Right aren't ideal bindings for it on iPod anyway. |
| 01:01:11 | pixelma | I think in this case the documentation is rather out of date (leftovers from another manual) |
| 01:01:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, I don't know if there really can be bindings for it. It may need to be menu-driven. |
| 01:01:22 | Mikachu | i only used them to test if it actually wors |
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| 02:34:51 | _Faith_ | ?rules |
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| 02:35:37 | _Faith_ | -_- |
| 02:35:52 | _Faith_ | help please? (can i ask?) |
| 02:37:00 | _Faith_ | hello? |
| 02:37:08 | _Faith_ | -_- |
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| 04:58:05 | JonMon | hi |
| 04:58:10 | JonMon | can someone help me |
| 04:58:24 | JonMon | ?? |
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| 05:12:20 | scorche | people really need to get some patience... |
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| 08:08:24 | adiamas | anyone know offhand if the battery life on ipod is improved with rockbox> |
| 08:08:26 | adiamas | ? |
| 08:09:43 | MrStaticVoid | battery life is worse with rockbox at the moment |
| 08:10:20 | crazybilly | how about the h120? |
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| 08:10:37 | crazybilly | how's battery life compare w/ rockbox? |
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| 08:12:03 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 08:12:07 | MrStaticVoid | crazybilly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 08:12:16 | Jungti1234 | hahaha.... see it. http://forumz.tomshardware.com/dellpost.html?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=192887&ex=Dude-Dell-freaking-blew |
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| 08:15:23 | crazybilly | not bad |
| 08:15:36 | crazybilly | good enough for me ;) |
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| 08:50:01 | DoubleThink2 | Heya, is there a way to charge the ipod through USB and listen to it at the same time without it restarting into diskmode... as rockbox does....? |
| 08:51:15 | Galois | this is in the faq ... hold the menu button down |
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| 08:51:41 | k8to | galois, are you the same galois from #math? |
| 08:52:17 | Galois | yes |
| 08:52:50 | DoubleThink2 | oh thanks.... sorry for asking the obvious then |
| 08:52:51 | k8to | sorry, just curiosity. I didn't know you there, but there were people.. uh, basehead? drzachary I think? mild? you talked about you |
| 08:52:59 | k8to | err |
| 08:53:01 | k8to | who talked about you |
| 08:53:42 | k8to | it was all lauding/admiration |
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| 09:21:19 | crazybilly | is there a database of people's wps files somewhere? |
| 09:21:42 | crazybilly | or a repository, I suppose... |
| 09:21:49 | aliask | Some here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 09:22:24 | aliask | But there are more scattered around the place, on other websites |
| 09:22:25 | crazybilly | awesome |
| 09:22:30 | crazybilly | thanks |
| 09:24:37 | aliask | More here: http://rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 09:30:26 | crazybilly | great |
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| 09:46:28 | lex | is it hard to create a rockbox theme? |
| 09:47:14 | crazybilly | i just looked through the manual....looks pretty easy |
| 09:47:47 | crazybilly | everything's just an html-esque tag that calls an ID3 tag from the file that's playing |
| 09:48:09 | crazybilly | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 09:48:54 | crazybilly | not that I've done it yet ;) |
| 09:50:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically see the CustomWPS Wiki page for most of the information |
| 09:50:09 | midkay | not necessarily.. |
| 09:50:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not necessarily? |
| 09:50:40 | midkay | there are plenty of non-ID3 tag things, like Rockbox battery level/remaining time info, playlist position/total, current time, RTC, etc. |
| 09:50:47 | midkay | playback modes, progress bars. |
| 09:50:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, that was to the other person. |
| 09:50:56 | midkay | yeah. |
| 09:51:01 | midkay | @ crazybilly. |
| 09:51:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was all 'did they move the page on me?' |
| 09:51:07 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 09:52:04 | crazybilly | hehe |
| 09:52:20 | crazybilly | is there a way to customize what particular buttons do? |
| 09:52:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 09:52:41 | crazybilly | stank |
| 09:53:15 | crazybilly | particular .cfg can adjust eq as well as display, though? |
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| 09:53:33 | crazybilly | so you could save everything altogether, I suppose... |
| 09:54:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | a .cfg can adjust every setting that can be saved other than things like playlist position. |
| 09:55:27 | crazybilly | cool |
| 09:57:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of people use them for things like switching from pocket-mode to car-mode (or rather a series of settings they feel fit it), or just a quick hop from indoor volume to outdoor volume. |
| 09:59:15 | crazybilly | yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking |
| 09:59:21 | crazybilly | mostly the car/headphones thing |
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| 10:00:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of people don't realize you can save a .cfg and then cut out any lines you don't want. |
| 10:00:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you can have one sitting around just to change the shuffle/repeat settings and nothing else. |
| 10:01:36 | crazybilly | hmm....to change .cfgs you go into 'manage settings' right? |
| 10:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 10:01:46 | crazybilly | or is there a faster/easier way |
| 10:01:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | You CAN go to manage settings |
| 10:01:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you can also just click on them like a song. |
| 10:01:58 | crazybilly | mmm |
| 10:02:22 | crazybilly | tricky |
| 10:02:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | EQ presets are also exactly the same sort of .cfg, as are themes (theme .cfgs traditionally are .cfgs that only load a wps, set the font, backdrop, foreground color, and background color) |
| 10:03:34 | crazybilly | so it's all one kind of file....just w/ more or less functionality depending on what code's in it |
| 10:03:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 10:03:46 | crazybilly | gotcha |
| 10:05:26 | crazybilly | is there a way to get hte file browser to always dump you to the root when you hit select? |
| 10:06:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe so. |
| 10:06:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You go back to either where you launched the WPS from, or if you have follow playlist enabled, wherever the current song is. |
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| 10:08:17 | crazybilly | alrighty−−I need to get some sleep. thanks for the help. |
| 10:12:01 | lex | is there are theme making howto somewhere? :o |
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| 10:26:02 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 10:26:08 | aliask | G'day g'day |
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| 10:36:14 | JdGordon | bloody hell surfing at 640x480 is painful :p |
| 10:38:16 | JdGordon | Bg3r: thanks for the fixes |
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| 10:45:39 | JdGordon | hmm,, everyone sleeping on on sat morning are they? |
| 10:45:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
| 10:45:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know I am. |
| 10:46:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait, right, insomnia as usual. |
| 10:46:28 | scorche | pretty much... |
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| 10:47:30 | scorche | i scared him away =( |
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| 10:51:59 | Bger | JdGordon: hey |
| 10:52:19 | JdGordon | hey |
| 10:52:58 | JdGordon | did you use a script to rearrange the keymap-h...c file? or did you do it manaully? |
| 10:53:31 | Bger | manually :D |
| 10:53:51 | Bger | but with some kind of regex should be possible too |
| 10:54:29 | JdGordon | youch, how long did it take? i was asking because i didnt see you did it on the ipod file also :p |
| 10:54:39 | Bger | haha |
| 10:54:42 | Bger | maybe 30 min |
| 10:54:44 | Bger | maybe more |
| 10:55:03 | Bger | it doesn't matter |
| 10:55:18 | JdGordon | :) thanks |
| 10:55:23 | Bger | btw, have in mind that i haven't checked the remote mapping .. |
| 10:55:26 | Bger | s |
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| 10:58:05 | JdGordon | ok, im sure if there is a problem someone will be able to tell us :) |
| 10:58:25 | Bger | yep |
| 10:58:53 | Bger | i will add the h300 non-lcd remote too, but don't have time atm |
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| 11:00:50 | JdGordon | great |
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| 11:03:00 | Bger | I think TIMEOUT_BLOCK should be -1, otherwise we can't wait for 1 tick |
| 11:03:00 | Bger | * Do we really need to wait for 1 tick? but ok, thats easy to fix |
| 11:03:06 | Bger | i've fixed this, iirc |
| 11:03:16 | Bger | (very difficult :D) |
| 11:04:57 | JdGordon | i saw :) |
| 11:05:03 | JdGordon | all the comments have just been fixed |
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| 11:06:21 | JdGordon | im not going out for a while, so i tihnk im going to finish converting all the current button loops to this, then sit down with the target manuals and see how hard it is to do the target files without the player to test on |
| 11:07:41 | JdGordon | Bg3r: if the keymappings are custom, do you think it shuold check the standard mappings if the button was not found? |
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| 11:19:00 | lex | my disk is always on on my photo ipod :o |
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| 11:25:14 | linuxstb_ | lex: Is the hard disk activity icon always on as well? And is this when you're playing music? |
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| 11:26:55 | lex | linuxstb_: yes |
| 11:28:28 | linuxstb_ | If you go to the main menu, then info ->Debug -> View audio thread, you'll see what's happening. I'm guessing the decoding is taking up too much CPU time, so Rockbox never manages to completely the fill the buffer and turn the disk off. |
| 11:28:50 | lex | hmm |
| 11:30:05 | lex | pcm ~120-140k / 529200 |
| 11:30:11 | lex | and codec is growing |
| 11:30:17 | lex | boost ratio 100% :o |
| 11:30:42 | lex | hey, it's not reading he hd now :) |
| 11:31:13 | Bger | JdGordon: maybe... but i still want the standard and remote buttons to be treated in the same way |
| 11:31:26 | linuxstb_ | That's probably due to the audio debug screen itself using less CPU than your WPS. You could try just leaving Rockbox in a menu, rather than the WPS during playback. |
| 11:31:49 | lex | yeah.. maybe |
| 11:32:15 | lex | atm it's not reading the hd even if i'm on the wps |
| 11:32:31 | lex | but i turned directory cache off too with the last boot |
| 11:32:53 | JdGordon | Bger: for the moment it will check the standard keys, and i guess it probaly should stay that way (if only to save a comparisson every time a button is presed for a special case..) |
| 11:33:02 | JdGordon | also, i like how you have done the remote switching |
| 11:33:30 | Bger | i'm glad to hear it ;) |
| 11:33:40 | linuxstb | lex: Yes - once the buffer is full, the hard disk is turned off until the codec buffer is almost empty, then Rockbox will fill it again. |
| 11:33:58 | lex | hmm :o |
| 11:36:27 | lex | http://evot.us/x/rockbox/ btw there's some pictures from rockbox on my photo, but they're from very close :) |
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| 11:51:18 | JdGordon | Bger: REMOTETYPE_UNPLUGGED isnt defined anywhere? |
| 11:51:26 | Bger | it is |
| 11:51:32 | Bger | i've added it yesterday to the CVS |
| 11:52:30 | Bger | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-07-28%2013:36:02.html |
| 11:52:30 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 11:52:42 | JdGordon | guess i should update then :p |
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| 11:57:20 | JdGordon | Bger: undefined reference to remote_type in the sim build :'( |
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| 12:08:36 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: around? |
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| 12:17:07 | lex | my rockbox likes to freeze :o |
| 12:23:02 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: yup |
| 12:24:06 | Bger | JdGordon: hum |
| 12:24:26 | Bger | JdGordon: add a stub |
| 12:24:52 | Genre9mp3 | Just a minor glitch on the X5 sim. The backlight of the remote doesn't turn on when a button is pressed (only when the simulator starts or changing a setting in a menu) |
| 12:25:48 | Genre9mp3 | Also...I don't know if this is only in simulator, but the message boxes (eg. "Settings Loaded") are not readable in the X5 remote |
| 12:25:54 | JdGordon | Bger: lcd-sdl.c ? |
| 12:26:01 | Bger | JdGordon: hm |
| 12:26:02 | Bger | w8 |
| 12:27:02 | Bger | lcd-remote-bitmap.[ch] |
| 12:27:13 | Bger | i can add it in the cvs |
| 12:28:22 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 12:29:26 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: It's not a glitch. The sim only simulates the main buttons (same with the iriver sims), and the backlights only react to the respective buttons like on the target |
| 12:30:09 | amiconn | What do you mean with the msg boxes being unreadable? Do they appear garbled, or do they not appear at all? |
| 12:31:24 | Genre9mp3 | They appear but they are unreadable because they are _almost_ a black box |
| 12:32:50 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I'm making a screenshot to see |
| 12:33:26 | JdGordon | does anyone know why the config block version was bumped? there is no commits to settings.h for a while? |
| 12:34:49 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/X5sim.png |
| 12:34:52 | obo | cos recording was enabled on the X5s |
| 12:36:02 | Bger | JdGordon: the remote for X5 was enabled .. |
| 12:36:11 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 12:36:23 | Bger | and this adds some members to the settings struct automatically |
| 12:36:42 | JdGordon | righto, time to be social :( have a good day ppl, ill be back in a few hours i guess |
| 12:36:53 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Oh, looks like the 2 bits belonging to a pixel are switched, so lightgrey becomes darkgrey and vice versa |
| 12:38:05 | amiconn | Hafta check whether this is only a sim problem or within the drawing code itself |
| 12:38:28 | amiconn | Too bad Linus isn't here... I don't have an X5 to compare with the target |
| 12:40:52 | Genre9mp3 | I'll ask him when he comes |
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| 12:43:30 | Bger | JdGordon: add a stub in the keyboard-... for now |
| 12:45:30 | lex | i want green5g into my photo :< |
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| 12:56:33 | * | dionoea notices that someone completely broke the solitaire layout on the small recorder's screen |
| 12:56:37 | dionoea | that's outrageous :) |
| 12:57:36 | * | pixelma already reported that and linuxstb wanted to do something about it :) |
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| 12:58:40 | dionoea | well i'll fix it :) (since i did the old layout i guess that i'll be able to understand how it works :p ) |
| 12:58:52 | pixelma | great! |
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| 13:24:38 | * | linuxstb makes his first recording via line-in on an ipod (4g Color) |
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| 13:37:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: Didn't you already do this yesterday? |
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| 13:45:28 | linuxstb | No, that was mono recording via the right channel in the headphone jack (which IPL can do). I've now got it working via the stereo line-in in the dock connector, which IPL doesn't do. |
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| 13:58:08 | dionoea | can't people think a bit before commiting stuff like http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/solitaire.c.diff?r1=1.19&r2=1.20 ? it's obvious that making the bitmaps twice as big is going to break it on small screens |
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| 14:02:36 | amiconn | Yes.... and I (as well as several other devs) know about this problem |
| 14:03:09 | amiconn | I wanted to fix that for quite some time now, but first didn't get enough time, and later forgot about it |
| 14:03:21 | linuxstb | I did get as far as converting the original small Archos bitmaps into .bmp files, but looking again now, I can't find them.... |
| 14:03:50 | amiconn | Imho the bitmaps should be converted into BMPs and the bitmap build system should be used |
| 14:04:11 | aliask | I found a bug in solitaire today, tried to fix it, but the code scared me away... |
| 14:04:12 | linuxstb | I've found the bitmaps I made - just a moment, and I'll zip them up and put them on my website. |
| 14:04:52 | aliask | For those brave enough, the two of spades will always be allowed to go onto the "finished" stack, even if there's no ace. |
| 14:05:20 | amiconn | odd... |
| 14:05:21 | dionoea | linuxstb: well i'm fixing it, doing bitmaps again and everything :) |
| 14:05:25 | filR | but then you will never win. :( |
| 14:05:36 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/solitairebitmaps.zip |
| 14:05:43 | dionoea | neat :) |
| 14:05:57 | linuxstb | dionoea: That zip file contains (as far as I can remember), the original bitmaps from before the commit that broke it on Archos. |
| 14:06:18 | linuxstb | (I extracted them from an old version solitaire.c) |
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| 14:06:35 | dionoea | what targets are the 8x10 ones for ? |
| 14:06:47 | linuxstb | I think Archos - because of the aspect ratio. |
| 14:07:18 | dionoea | archos were 8x8 (at least those that i used) |
| 14:07:57 | linuxstb | I'm not sure then.... It was about 3 months ago, so I've forgotten what I did. But hopefully those .bmp files will help you. |
| 14:08:10 | dionoea | they will :) |
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| 15:27:08 | * | linuxstb makes a line-in recording on a 5g |
| 15:27:14 | sharpe` | ! |
| 15:28:02 | dionoea | was that using the dock too ? |
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| 15:28:29 | linuxstb | Yes. I haven't tried to see if the mic input (i.e. headphone socket) is connected yet. |
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| 15:28:51 | * | dionoea should buy a dock |
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| 15:31:13 | linuxstb | AFAIK, you can't buy docks with line-in sockets (but please prove me wrong). Someone made one for me, and I've just sent him an email asking if I can point Rockbox users who want to record in his direction. |
| 15:32:34 | dionoea | oh ... what conectors do "normal" docks have ? only usb ? |
| 15:33:14 | linuxstb | USB, Firewire and line-out are normally your only options. |
| 15:35:35 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 15:35:51 | dionoea | hey JdGordon . Do you still need the recorder key mappings ? |
| 15:36:19 | JdGordon | i have a incomplete recorder mapping file, if you want to finish it id be greaful |
| 15:36:40 | dionoea | is it in the wiki patch ? |
| 15:36:54 | JdGordon | no |
| 15:37:55 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-recorder.c">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-recorder.c it needs heaps of work tho |
| 15:38:21 | dionoea | do you have a complete keymap i could look at for reference ? |
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| 15:38:56 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-ipod.c">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-ipod.c is a good reference |
| 15:39:00 | dionoea | thanks :) |
| 15:39:28 | JdGordon | grab the patch form the wiki for all the action codes because i dont tihnk the ipod is 100% complete |
| 15:39:58 | JdGordon | i could show you the file for the irivers, but its full of extra crap which the reocrder wont need (interchangable remote keymaps and such fun stuff) |
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| 15:40:17 | JdGordon | just a note, the 1st and 2nd columns need to be swapped around in the recorder file |
| 15:40:37 | dionoea | yeah, i saw that :) lets hope that some regex magic can fix it :) |
| 15:40:47 | JdGordon | ye, im sure it would |
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| 15:41:21 | dionoea | JdGordon: shouldn't the LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST define be global ? |
| 15:41:48 | dionoea | as well as the get_context_mapping function i guess |
| 15:41:57 | JdGordon | probably... and no |
| 15:42:08 | JdGordon | get_context_mapping is target dependant |
| 15:42:20 | dionoea | all the targets don't have the same contexts ? |
| 15:42:21 | JdGordon | as long as it returns the correct array each target can do it very differently |
| 15:42:24 | JdGordon | no |
| 15:42:28 | dionoea | oh, ok :) |
| 15:42:29 | JdGordon | they could change around |
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| 15:52:44 | dionoea | can a context "inherit" another context ? |
| 15:53:15 | Bger | dionoea: all context "inherit" the standard one |
| 15:53:24 | dionoea | ok, that's neat |
| 15:53:25 | dionoea | thanks |
| 15:53:46 | JdGordon | i want oto figure out a way to build an array on the fly tho, so we have moe control |
| 15:54:00 | Bger | what do u mean |
| 15:54:44 | JdGordon | umm... im not sure.. (im drunk)... :D |
| 15:55:46 | Bger | :D |
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| 15:56:04 | Bger | 'ure simulating :D |
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| 16:00:50 | JdGordon | which button is the reset button in the pitch screen? |
| 16:01:41 | midkay | for? |
| 16:03:03 | JdGordon | looks like the on button on iriver... so ill just use ACTION_STD_ACCEPT for it.. not the best, but good enough |
| 16:03:31 | dionoea | what's the difference between MENU and LONGMENU ? |
| 16:04:40 | dionoea | and CONTEXT ? |
| 16:05:06 | midkay | .. menu, long menu, and context menu? :) |
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| 16:05:58 | dionoea | midkay: that was easy :) ... but i never noticed 2 menus. Maybe that's something planned in the future |
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| 16:06:11 | midkay | what do you mean? context menu is hold select.. |
| 16:06:16 | midkay | delete, copy, cut, rename.. |
| 16:06:17 | JdGordon | i dont tinhk you need to worry about long menu |
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| 16:06:34 | dionoea | hum ... ok. |
| 16:06:40 | JdGordon | menu and context are needed tho |
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| 16:07:14 | JdGordon | ye, its not used yet, maybe can be removed |
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| 16:08:04 | dionoea | do the TREE actions also need to be defined in a different context ? |
| 16:08:29 | dionoea | or should i just define actions which you defined in keymap-ipod.c ? |
| 16:09:26 | JdGordon | the tree actions can go in their own context, or the std context if they dont overlap with any of the STD_ buttons |
| 16:10:17 | JdGordon | oh, the TREE actions are optional |
| 16:10:27 | JdGordon | i should put a note next to what is optional and what isnt |
| 16:10:45 | dionoea | ok, so i won't define them :) |
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| 16:11:23 | * | JdGordon is not looking forward to porting the plugins :p |
| 16:12:00 | dionoea | i added the keymap on the wiki page |
| 16:12:29 | dionoea | woops ... syntax error at the end |
| 16:13:29 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 16:13:37 | JdGordon | did you test it in the sim or on the player at all? |
| 16:14:00 | dionoea | no ... but it should work :) |
| 16:14:11 | dionoea | i'll test it if you really want |
| 16:14:23 | JdGordon | im happy if your happy :) |
| 16:15:10 | * | dionoea finds it weird that F3 is never used |
| 16:15:25 | JdGordon | looks good, can you add ACTION_SETTINGS_[INC DEC]REPEAT ? |
| 16:15:34 | dionoea | sure |
| 16:16:01 | JdGordon | does f3 do anything atm? |
| 16:16:08 | dionoea | LCD menu when browsing |
| 16:16:20 | JdGordon | also the #ifdef at the begining is not neded anymore, if you can remoe that also plz? |
| 16:16:28 | dionoea | ok |
| 16:17:14 | JdGordon | and grab the copyright and license stuff from the top of -ipoc.c and put your name there |
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| 16:18:05 | * | JdGordon thinks all files should say (c) 2001-2006 The Rockbox Team and then list all the contribs of that page.. or just the rockbox team and not worry about names |
| 16:18:30 | dionoea | The Rockbox Team isn't a legal entity |
| 16:18:35 | dionoea | at least not that i know of |
| 16:18:41 | JdGordon | dionoea: can you do any of the archos targets? |
| 16:18:51 | dionoea | mapping ? |
| 16:18:52 | dionoea | +s |
| 16:18:53 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 16:18:56 | JdGordon | ye |
| 16:19:03 | dionoea | well i already did the recorder :) |
| 16:19:10 | dionoea | i'll do the player |
| 16:19:23 | JdGordon | ta |
| 16:19:54 | JdGordon | is the player the ondio ones? linus is worried thats where the whole tihng will fall over |
| 16:20:06 | dionoea | the player is the first archos |
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| 16:21:00 | dionoea | JdGordon: you're missing an action for the F3 quick menu |
| 16:21:13 | dionoea | (it's defined in screens.c) |
| 16:22:06 | JdGordon | do you mean its still in the screens.c file? or we need an ACTION_ value for it? |
| 16:22:16 | dionoea | well both |
| 16:22:19 | JdGordon | either way, i guess i didnt know how to handle it |
| 16:22:33 | JdGordon | there are a few places i havnt touch that are actually ifdef'ed out |
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| 16:26:17 | x1jmp | is there already a way to read the recording data from within a plugin? |
| 16:31:55 | Bger | x1jmp: see the plugin.h |
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| 16:34:43 | JdGordon | dionoea: recorder mapping is now in the diff... im gonna upload the new version in a min, then bed time for me |
| 16:34:58 | dionoea | k |
| 16:35:02 | x1jmp | Bger: can't find something useful in plugin.h |
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| 16:45:31 | JdGordon | gnite |
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| 17:11:03 | secleinteer | hi i was trying to find a stable build of rockbox for the ipod photo, but all i saw was daily builds |
| 17:11:14 | secleinteer | does any1 know where i can get a stable build for the ipod photo? |
| 17:11:15 | Mikachu | that's right |
| 17:11:26 | Mikachu | the first stable build is scheduled for november |
| 17:11:46 | Mikachu | for all ipods |
| 17:11:54 | secleinteer | well, are any of the daily builds fairly stable enough for use? |
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| 17:12:35 | Mikachu | the latest should be the best |
| 17:12:44 | secleinteer | as in today? |
| 17:12:47 | secleinteer | won't that have bugs? |
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| 17:13:08 | Mikachu | possibly |
| 17:13:56 | secleinteer | so are there any previous builds that has be known to be stable? |
| 17:14:09 | secleinteer | have been known* |
| 17:14:48 | Mikachu | the current builds are used by lots of people |
| 17:15:18 | secleinteer | ok, i guess i'll try it |
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| 17:17:51 | linuxstb | secleinteer: Please try the latest builds, and if you find bugs, report them. That's the only way we will ever get stable builds for all the different ipods. |
| 17:26:24 | secleinteer | ok |
| 17:26:26 | secleinteer | one other thing |
| 17:26:39 | secleinteer | i'm using the "nodefault" bin file |
| 17:26:51 | secleinteer | on step e, it says to type "ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color.bin" |
| 17:27:06 | secleinteer | but i should really do "ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color-nodefault.bin" |
| 17:27:23 | secleinteer | could you add this to the instructions, as it might confuse some users? |
| 17:28:33 | linuxstb | Personally, I'm more likely to delete the bootloader-color-nodefault.bin file - it's not an official bootloader. |
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| 17:28:49 | secleinteer | is it unstable or anything? |
| 17:29:15 | secleinteer | sounds like all it does is switch the boot order |
| 17:29:24 | linuxstb | I've no idea - there's no source code to go with it, so it could be anything. But I'm assuming someone would have complained by now if it didn't work, so it should be fine. |
| 17:30:29 | Mikachu | no source? then you can sue them :P |
| 17:31:12 | linuxstb | :) |
| 17:31:26 | linuxstb | Or sue ourselves, as it's on the Rockbox wiki.... |
| 17:31:55 | Mikachu | heh |
| 17:32:09 | secleinteer | no source = screw that, i'm not using it |
| 17:32:31 | secleinteer | i'm not gonna trust something if source isn't available |
| 17:32:46 | Mikachu | they probably just added a ! in an if |
| 17:33:07 | secleinteer | it's a whole extra kilobyte, tyvm |
| 17:33:17 | secleinteer | 54 instead of 53 |
| 17:33:30 | secleinteer | you can put a lot of stuff in a kilobyte ;D |
| 17:33:32 | linuxstb | secleinteer: If you want to use the Apple firmware frequently, you might prefer the ipodlinux bootloader - you don't need to install ipodlinux, just replace "bootloader-color.bin" with "loader2.bin" (the name of their bootloader) in the Rockbox installation instructions. This should give you a boot menu where you can choose between Rockbox and the Apple firmware. |
| 17:33:32 | Mikachu | could be compiler settings |
| 17:34:26 | linuxstb | You can download it from http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 (the second option under "Getting It") |
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| 17:35:16 | secleinteer | linuxstb: thanks a lot |
| 17:35:19 | secleinteer | that would be great |
| 17:35:53 | secleinteer | but if i can play my music already on my ipod through rockbox and it has no bugs, i'll probably stick with |
| 17:36:02 | secleinteer | i hope that trick w/ foobar works |
| 17:36:15 | midkay | which? the rebuilding database? |
| 17:36:28 | secleinteer | yeah |
| 17:36:34 | midkay | it doesn't for me and many others, and you don't need to anyways, rockbox has TagCache to build a database of your music files.. |
| 17:36:39 | secleinteer | oh |
| 17:36:46 | secleinteer | oh well, i'll just use the ipodlinux bootloader then |
| 17:37:36 | secleinteer | linuxstb: i got a file called "loader.bin" from the ipodlinux wiki |
| 17:37:39 | secleinteer | is that correct? |
| 17:37:52 | secleinteer | the zip is called Loader-2.4.zip |
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| 17:39:43 | midkay | yes, just make sure it suits your model - color/photo. |
| 17:39:59 | linuxstb | secleinteer: Yes, if it was in Loader-2.4.zip, then that's OK. |
| 17:40:17 | linuxstb | And it will work on any ipod - IPL don't produce model-specific binaries. |
| 17:40:43 | midkay | no? how does that work? |
| 17:40:44 | secleinteer | so i don't even need the bootloader-color.bin? |
| 17:41:00 | linuxstb | midkay: runtime detection. |
| 17:41:14 | linuxstb | secleinteer: No - loader.bin is used instead of bootloader-color.bin |
| 17:41:34 | midkay | bastards. :) |
| 17:41:56 | linuxstb | midkay: IMO, it's a bad thing - waste of time and memory. |
| 17:42:27 | midkay | probably, yes. |
| 17:42:41 | midkay | well, certainly it uses more memory and more time. |
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| 17:42:47 | linuxstb | But it's not that bad, because they have malloc. It wouldn't work with Rockbox's static allocation. |
| 17:42:55 | midkay | ah. |
| 17:43:46 | secleinteer | ok no i have another problem |
| 17:43:49 | secleinteer | now* |
| 17:43:56 | secleinteer | i got everythign to work until i unplugged |
| 17:44:03 | secleinteer | when i restarted i got the ipl bootloader |
| 17:44:06 | secleinteer | but only once |
| 17:44:16 | secleinteer | now if i restart, it goes straight to apple firmware |
| 17:44:40 | linuxstb | That sounds odd. |
| 17:44:49 | linuxstb | But sorry, I've got to go now. Back later. |
| 17:45:14 | dionoea | secleinteer: you restarted using menu+select ? |
| 17:46:16 | secleinteer | no |
| 17:46:27 | secleinteer | but i tried it |
| 17:46:32 | secleinteer | and it doesn't seem to work |
| 17:46:47 | secleinteer | i just hold down menu and select at the same time? |
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| 17:49:44 | secleinteer | btw if i redo the "ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin", it works once one more time, then stops working |
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| 17:53:41 | secleinteer | dionoea: any ideas? |
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| 18:43:51 | x1jmp | how do i prevent audio_set_recording_options from playing the recorded data? |
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| 19:25:20 | linuxstb | secleinteer: Any luck with your ipod? |
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| 20:11:54 | secleinteer | linuxstb: i got it to work with the official rockbox bootloader |
| 20:12:10 | secleinteer | however, i had to work a little to get it to load both firmwares |
| 20:12:28 | job | exactly how do I use the bookmarks? I cant find how to create a bookmark |
| 20:12:42 | secleinteer | when i'm in rockbox, i can load the apple firmware by just turn my ipod off and restarting while holding down the menu button |
| 20:13:18 | secleinteer | but after that, it stays the in apple firmware even when i restart, until i hold down menu + select, and it will restart into rockbox |
| 20:14:14 | job | also,where are instructions on how to add a patcH? |
| 20:15:08 | linuxstb | secleinteer: When you "shut down" the apple firmware, it is only pretending to shut down - it goes into a sleep mode. So when you "switch it on", all you are in fact doing is waking it up from sleep - not doing a real boot. |
| 20:15:38 | secleinteer | ok |
| 20:15:45 | secleinteer | well either way, i've got it figured out |
| 20:15:49 | linuxstb | MENU+SELECT is the only way to actually leave the apple firmware and reboot. |
| 20:15:54 | secleinteer | ok |
| 20:16:02 | secleinteer | but i've got another question: is rockboy only for iriver? |
| 20:16:23 | job | i found this |
| 20:16:23 | job | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5282 |
| 20:16:28 | jhMikeS | Man, the X5's main LCD frame rate has taken a nosedive since the addition of the remote. 43.5->33.5 full, unboosted. |
| 20:16:31 | job | rockboy for ipod 4g |
| 20:16:38 | linuxstb | It works for most ipods, but maybe not all. And for the ipods it does work on, it doesn't work very well due to the ipod's lack of buttons. |
| 20:16:52 | Bagder | jhMikeS: mostly due to the move to sdram I bet |
| 20:16:56 | secleinteer | k |
| 20:17:06 | jhMikeS | Bagder: The screen buffer? |
| 20:17:10 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:17:13 | secleinteer | also, how do i play songs in rockbox? :D |
| 20:17:19 | job | ^^ |
| 20:17:28 | secleinteer | there doesn't seem to be anything on the main rockbox menu for it |
| 20:17:41 | job | change to "show files: id3 database" |
| 20:17:52 | linuxstb | secleinteer: You should probably read the ipod FAQ - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 20:18:50 | job | but linuxstb, when I choose "create bookmark" after I paused my song at the desired point nothing happens |
| 20:19:14 | job | and when checking "recent bookmarks" in mainmenu |
| 20:19:21 | job | it says "bookmarks empty" |
| 20:19:35 | linuxstb | job: Sorry, I can't help - I don't use bookmarks. Have you read the section in the manual about them? |
| 20:19:58 | job | yeah |
| 20:20:18 | job | but nothing happens |
| 20:20:26 | secleinteer | linuxstb: i still don't get it |
| 20:20:32 | secleinteer | where is this "file tree browser"? |
| 20:20:55 | job | could it be the same as the "repeat a-b" function, that it is not yet implemented... |
| 20:24:07 | jhMikeS | Bagder: Hmmm...why so? Too much SRAM usage? |
| 20:24:34 | Bagder | I guess, I just noticed Linus did that change but I'm not sure why |
| 20:25:20 | Bagder | there are probably a few more functions in iram now so the buffer doesn't fit |
| 20:25:33 | jhMikeS | I'd like to ask but he seems to be toiling away in his secret cave. :) |
| 20:26:04 | Bagder | he's more often around during euro office hours |
| 20:27:00 | leftright | is there any dev that could look at the Sudoku levels patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5519 please |
| 20:27:38 | jhMikeS | Bagder: Ok, never really looked where he's from. Haven't seen a glipse since a week ago. Thanks. |
| 20:27:48 | leftright | might also fix the freeze which occurs after generating 5 or 6 mediums to get to a hard level |
| 20:27:51 | secleinteer | linxus: nvm got it |
| 20:28:07 | Bagder | jhMikeS: he's one of us Swedes |
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| 20:29:46 | jhMikeS | Bagder: I guess that makes me one of *those* Americans. :) |
| 20:29:58 | job | hehe |
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| 20:30:15 | Bagder | oh one of those! B-] |
| 20:30:44 | jhMikeS | HA! |
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| 20:33:58 | * | jhMikeS didn't mean to say anything bad. He will stop being silly now. 8-) |
| 20:36:38 | Bagder | you said "I have swedish meatballs" |
| 20:36:57 | * | Bagder leaves again... |
| 20:37:57 | _apo_ | Jag aelskar sverige |
| 20:38:10 | _apo_ | Only Swedish I know :P (Except for some numbers) |
| 20:38:23 | _apo_ | But it's great in most convos. |
| 20:38:38 | jhMikeS | Bagder: I that's what I was hoping. 8-D |
| 20:39:05 | _apo_ | jhMikeS: You got glasses? :P |
| 20:39:41 | jhMikeS | _apo_: Huh!?! |
| 20:39:54 | _apo_ | 8 = glasses −−-> 8-D |
| 20:39:55 | _apo_ | :P |
| 20:40:36 | jhMikeS | _apo_: Si, tengo. Pero no puedo oir correctamente en esta lugar. No se porque. |
| 20:40:51 | _apo_ | Oo |
| 20:40:56 | _apo_ | Wakarimasen deshita |
| 20:41:09 | _apo_ | :< |
| 20:42:22 | _apo_ | If, I have. But I cannot hear correctly in this place. Not because. >_> |
| 20:42:26 | _apo_ | Sou ka.. |
| 20:42:55 | jhMikeS | _api_: "Yes, I have. But I can't hear correctly in this place. I don't know why." |
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| 20:43:37 | _apo_ | I thought so.. |
| 20:43:39 | _apo_ | But why hear? |
| 20:43:41 | jhMikeS | _apo_: No hablo japones. |
| 20:43:55 | jhMikeS | _apo_: A joke...no sound. |
| 20:44:09 | _apo_ | I don't really either... I'm only learning it, but I suck |
| 20:44:44 | anton_ | VAMOS AMIGOOOOOS! |
| 20:44:44 | _apo_ | But next year I'm starting Spanish, that should be easier (I already know Latin) |
| 20:44:58 | * | jhMikeS thinks now a display driver performance patch is even more needed. |
| 20:45:12 | * | jhMikeS is doing it... |
| 20:46:03 | jhMikeS | _apo_: I've done Spanish from listening to my GF. That's it. |
| 20:46:27 | _apo_ | ^^ |
| 20:46:27 | * | jhMikeS It's almost ready to go up today. |
| 20:46:59 | secleinteer | linuxstb: awesome stuff :D i got it working with music |
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| 20:49:52 | jhMikeS | anton_: Vamos a donde? |
| 20:50:31 | anton_ | vamos el MONDE!!!! |
| 20:52:39 | jhMikeS | A la izquierda? Voy a cumplir mi driver patch. |
| 20:53:52 | jhMikeS | Hasta luego mis amigos. Yo regresare mas tarde. |
| 20:55:51 | anton_ | wanna talk some jive?! |
| 20:56:11 | anton_ | YO BRO! |
| 20:56:44 | anton_ | shizzle the nizzle in da mo'fo driver ass-patch |
| 20:57:01 | anton_ | lol this soduko is harder than i thought |
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| 21:01:23 | jhMikeS | anton_: Yo, yo, yo. Present! Dat mo'fo driver patch is the shiznay! Shizzle. |
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| 21:27:13 | jhMikeS | Will I need to write a plugin to prove that the newly implemented driver functions actually work correctly? I'm not sure lcd_update_rect gets a full workout anywhere (all cases of odd/even start, end, width). LinusN said to go ahead and do everything except lcd_blit (lcd_roll is a big ??). |
| 21:28:43 | k8to | do you have access to the framebuffer? can you write tests? |
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| 21:29:36 | jhMikeS | k8to: I can. To use a plug I have to add some functions to the plugin API but I put that with the plugin so it can be tested and unpatched. |
| 21:29:55 | webguest10 | has jdgordons 'Inser Random" patch been incorporated ? |
| 21:29:57 | jhMikeS | k8to: Or I guess I could make a menu item under LCD settings. |
| 21:30:49 | webguest10 | oi devs, there's a good patch there beeging for cvs |
| 21:31:01 | k8to | i assume there are some unit tests somewhere and some kind of build to run them |
| 21:33:12 | * | webguest10 prods a idle dev to look into the Insert random patch |
| 21:35:34 | webguest10 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 |
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| 21:40:03 | * | Zagor upgrades the server |
| 21:41:06 | jhMikeS | k8to: I'm not seeing it |
| 21:41:26 | k8to | jhMikeS: i don't know, sorry, i was just .. peanut gallerying iguess |
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| 21:42:28 | jhMikeS | k8to: Ok... |
| 21:42:34 | jhMikeS | Bagder??? |
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| 21:47:18 | * | jhMikeS wonders where Bagder went...or is silenty getting his answer 8-} |
| 21:47:48 | Zagor | upgrade complete. see you later. |
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| 21:49:49 | jhMikeS | The developer build has errors undefined references to "debug_init" and "debug". Did I forget to do something? |
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| 21:56:25 | jhMikeS | oy |
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| 22:05:19 | dfg | hello everyone |
| 22:05:32 | dfg | is their anyone from the rockboxcrew online |
| 22:05:34 | dfg | ? |
| 22:06:06 | dfg | ping? |
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| 22:06:19 | dfg | pong! |
| 22:07:32 | Mikachu | i don't think you're supposed to reply to your own pings |
| 22:07:45 | dfg | lol you don't? |
| 22:08:11 | dfg | anyways anyone know of the rd2780?? |
| 22:08:14 | Mikachu | unless you ping yourself of course |
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| 22:08:58 | dfg | heheh 0ms thats the stuff!!! |
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| 22:09:46 | dfg | mikachu what are you doing here anyway? you from rockbox?? |
| 22:10:00 | Mikachu | i have no idea what an rd2780 is |
| 22:10:10 | Gnelik | RCA Lyra A/V Jukebox RD2780??? |
| 22:10:11 | scottder | Rockboxia...just south of Sweden |
| 22:10:17 | dfg | yep gnelik!! |
| 22:10:35 | scottder | People actually bought those? :) |
| 22:10:51 | Gnelik | ^) |
| 22:10:54 | dfg | hey they're a bargain, get them for nothing and they work fine |
| 22:11:03 | dfg | just have to not be a f* noob is all |
| 22:11:34 | dfg | anyone mind getting a move on making an alternative firmware for the thing??? |
| 22:11:56 | scottder | Somehow I doubt it |
| 22:12:07 | dfg | what do you doubt? |
| 22:12:33 | Gnelik | $289.88 good price |
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| 22:13:00 | Gnelik | dfg: do you need one? |
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| 22:13:23 | dfg | lousy bots |
| 22:14:20 | dfg | wtf do you people do in here allday any ways? |
| 22:15:13 | dfg | ping? |
| 22:15:57 | dfg | bye bye |
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| 22:24:07 | secleinteer | linuxstb: you there? |
| 22:24:37 | secleinteer | i was using rockbox for music and it was playing just fine, and suddenly the music stopped and the screen went dark |
| 22:24:47 | secleinteer | meaning the backlight went out |
| 22:24:53 | secleinteer | i think it was low on batteries |
| 22:25:19 | secleinteer | now, it still has the image that was there b4 the music stopped, but i can't figure out how to get it out of this state |
| 22:25:32 | secleinteer | i tried charging it, but i don't think it's working |
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| 22:25:39 | secleinteer | is there any way to fix this? |
| 22:25:55 | linuxstb | Just keep charging, and try pressing MENU+SELECT to reset it. |
| 22:26:18 | secleinteer | what happened? |
| 22:26:34 | linuxstb | Sounds like your battery ran out. |
| 22:26:36 | Mikachu | by pressing, he means holding for 5 seconds |
| 22:26:57 | linuxstb | Yes, he does mean that. |
| 22:26:59 | secleinteer | tyvm |
| 22:27:01 | secleinteer | it just restarted |
| 22:28:22 | secleinteer | also, can i delete the "contacts", "calendar" and "notes" folders and still have the apple firmware work? |
| 22:28:28 | Mikachu | yes |
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| 22:30:08 | secleinteer | and is there any way to get the file browser to show the id3 tag album name instead of the name of the album folder? and the same for songs? |
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| 22:32:58 | secleinteer | ...? |
| 22:34:08 | scottder | I don't believe so.... |
| 22:35:25 | anton_ | secleinteer: why not use the splendid "id3 tags" filemode? |
| 22:35:47 | anton_ | for music, and a quick change if you need some files |
| 22:36:42 | secleinteer | under which menu do i find that? |
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| 22:41:21 | xorAxAx | hi, whats the current status of power saving on the nano - can it suspend the dev like the orignal firmware? |
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| 22:43:39 | Bagder | eh, how is that power "saving" ? |
| 22:43:45 | Bagder | complete power down saves more power |
| 22:45:20 | xorAxAx | thats supported? |
| 22:45:25 | xorAxAx | ok :) |
| 22:46:59 | secleinteer | can rockbox play m3u's? |
| 22:47:04 | Bagder | yes |
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| 22:59:09 | secleinteer | i think this is a bug: today's build for the ipod photo keeps restarting while charging |
| 22:59:42 | secleinteer | when it's off, and i plug it into an outlet, it will reload indefinitely |
| 22:59:48 | secleinteer | so i have to load the apple firmware to charge |
| 22:59:49 | Mikachu | hold menu when you insert the cable |
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| 23:00:00 | secleinteer | i don't want to use the ipod while i'm charging |
| 23:00:12 | secleinteer | isn't that when you hold down menu? |
| 23:00:34 | Mikachu | imean in rockbox |
| 23:00:41 | secleinteer | yeah i know |
| 23:00:47 | Mikachu | you can't charge with the device off |
| 23:00:50 | secleinteer | oh |
| 23:01:02 | Mikachu | apple and their clever designs |
| 23:01:03 | secleinteer | so that's the only way to charge it w/ rockbox? |
| 23:01:28 | Mikachu | no, like i said you can hold menu when you insert the cable and it won't restart, or you can boot apple |
| 23:01:32 | Mikachu | that's two ways |
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| 23:01:42 | secleinteer | ok |
| 23:02:40 | Mikachu | but my understanding is it charges faster in apple than rb because you have to fiddle with something to use more current |
| 23:02:52 | Mikachu | but maybe that is only for usb charging |
| 23:02:57 | secleinteer | ok |
| 23:03:16 | secleinteer | usb charging as in w/o the converter for a wall outlet? |
| 23:03:30 | Mikachu | usb as in connected to a computer |
| 23:03:33 | secleinteer | ok |
| 23:03:49 | secleinteer | well i guess i'll just charge in apple then |
| 23:03:58 | secleinteer | thanks for the help |
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| 23:14:36 | anton_ | lol |
| 23:14:51 | anton_ | chip8... |
| 23:15:02 | anton_ | these games just make me laugh ^^ |
| 23:15:19 | anton_ | is there a decent playable game? / where do they origin? |
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| 23:18:34 | Mikachu | anton_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginChip8 |
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| 23:35:56 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: I found the problem that causes the darkgrey splash on the x5 remote. |
| 23:36:21 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with the driver; the problem is the gui splash() function |
| 23:36:31 | Mikachu | amiconn: i noticed it seems hard to compile rb with multivolume and dircache on at the same time |
| 23:36:58 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yeah, Slasheri didn't implement multivolume support for dircache |
| 23:37:11 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:37:23 | amiconn | screen->set_background(LCD_LIGHTGRAY); <== OUCH! |
| 23:37:28 | Mikachu | i guess none of the default setups try to do that |
| 23:37:49 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: So the problem is on target as well? |
| 23:37:50 | amiconn | LCD_LIGHTGRAY isn't the same as LCD_REMOTE_LIGHTGRAY, and can't be |
| 23:38:09 | amiconn | Mikachu: Nope, not yet |
| 23:38:45 | amiconn | The only target using multivolume (and hotplug) is the Ondio, and for Ondio two reasons speak against dircache |
| 23:38:57 | amiconn | (1) Dircache on a flash player doesn't make sense |
| 23:39:05 | amiconn | (2) The small RAM |
| 23:39:19 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: yes |
| 23:39:21 | Mikachu | yeah i only enabled MV to use the 60MB at the start, i don't want to risk the integrity of my main partition by moving it there |
| 23:39:51 | Mikachu | (1) is why i disabled TC on my nano a while ago and apparently why MV succeeded when i tried it |
| 23:40:03 | amiconn | TC? |
| 23:40:10 | Mikachu | i just tried enabling DC today to track down a problem with my overly patched tree |
| 23:40:20 | Mikachu | tagcache and multivolume |
| 23:40:43 | amiconn | Tagcache has no problems with multivolume |
| 23:40:47 | Mikachu | doh |
| 23:40:48 | Mikachu | DC |
| 23:40:58 | Mikachu | i am confused and tired :) |
| 23:42:09 | Mikachu | well anyway, i just wanted to check everything was as it should |
| 23:42:21 | amiconn | Why don't you just repartition? |
| 23:42:44 | Mikachu | i heard the apple firmware scribbles in that area sometimes |
| 23:42:49 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: About the X5 remote... since it's capable of 2bpp, loading a rwps that uses 24bit bmps is possible, right? |
| 23:42:52 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:43:09 | Mikachu | and i might accidentally leave it in apple at some point |
| 23:43:16 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Maybe. I would use 4 or 8bit though. 24bit is a waste |
| 23:43:21 | Mikachu | (this is on a nano) |
| 23:43:50 | amiconn | Ah, no, I guess the bitmap loader needs adjustment to produce the remote's native format on request |
| 23:44:13 | * | amiconn doesn't care much |
| 23:44:53 | amiconn | I tried using iCatcher on H140 and recorder for a while. It was unbearable for me |
| 23:44:59 | amiconn | (the load time, not the design) |
| 23:45:33 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Sure, but it should be possible since it's possible on H100 & iPod Mini. (about the 24bit bmps) |
| 23:45:38 | amiconn | Iriver rockbox boot time is quite long even without bitmapped wps |
| 23:46:08 | Genre9mp3 | Anyway, I don't know about the target, but the sim crashes when you try to load 24bit on X5 rwps |
| 23:46:25 | amiconn | [23:43:49] <amiconn> Ah, no, I guess the bitmap loader needs adjustment to produce the remote's native format on request |
| 23:47:18 | Genre9mp3 | And I understand what you mean about the boot time...Ondio boots and shuts down really fast! ;) |
| 23:47:18 | amiconn | I wouldn't use 24bit for the 2bit targets anyway. With 4bit BMP you lose _nothing_ but the files are only 1/6th the size |
| 23:47:34 | amiconn | Yes, when flashed |
| 23:47:57 | amiconn | Archos recorder/player is only slightly slower |
| 23:48:06 | amiconn | (~5 seconds instead of 3.5) |
| 23:48:28 | Genre9mp3 | So what was the boot time you had on H140 with iCatcher? |
| 23:48:44 | amiconn | Didn't measure, but 20..30 seconds |
| 23:49:06 | Genre9mp3 | Really? Well that's really bad... |
| 23:49:19 | Genre9mp3 | I boot quite fast with my H340 |
| 23:49:30 | amiconn | Yes. Most of it is seeking the ton of small files |
| 23:49:34 | amiconn | (I guess) |
| 23:49:54 | Genre9mp3 | Well, hopefully, tar packaged wps will solve this problem |
| 23:50:10 | Mikachu | if you have a playlist set and autoresume on it doesn't matter so much imo, takes longer to untangle the headphones |
| 23:50:15 | amiconn | On recorder it was similarly slow. On Ondio it was significantly faster, even with the slow MMC data transfer |
| 23:50:21 | amiconn | (but no seek delays) |
| 23:51:13 | amiconn | Mikachu: (1) I don't use autoresume. (2) I often don't use headphones, but connect the jukebox to my setreo / car stereo |
| 23:51:21 | Mikachu | ah |
| 23:51:31 | Mikachu | well, everyone uses their dap differently i guess |
| 23:52:03 | Genre9mp3 | Another thing I noticed is that subline wps timing differ from target to target (at least between an H300 and an Ondio) |
| 23:52:05 | Mikachu | i usually listen on the way somewhere, so i turn it on and put it in my pockets, then i spend some time putting the headphones on and by then the music is usually playing |
| 23:52:34 | Genre9mp3 | Animations run quite faster on Ondio than on H300 |
| 23:52:49 | amiconn | There's one reason why I don't use autoresume - when shutting down, I don't know how I will use the box when powering on again |
| 23:53:14 | amiconn | ...and I surely don't want to have the volume at 0dB when using headphones |
| 23:53:45 | amiconn | ...but that would happen if I used it in the car before |
| 23:53:49 | Mikachu | obo's headphone patch helps a lot there for me |
| 23:54:04 | Mikachu | only resumes if something is plugged in |
| 23:54:19 | amiconn | That's ipod only, isn't it? |
| 23:54:28 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 23:54:31 | amiconn | I have 3 .cfg files on each box, for car, hifi and earphone operation |
| 23:54:46 | Mikachu | i don't have a car or hifi :) |
| 23:54:55 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 23:55:46 | Mikachu | unfortunately my tree is unable to actually play back music at the moment, so i have to use plain old cvs |
| 23:56:11 | * | amiconn wonders what strange things Mikachu is doing to his tree |
| 23:56:31 | Mikachu | you don't want to know :P |
| 23:57:09 | _apo_ | He puts a hole in it and uses it to- err, yea. I'll stop, I guess :P |
| 23:57:30 | Mikachu | yeah, no funny stories about mayonnaise here |
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