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#rockbox log for 2006-07-29

00:01:09*dionoea starts cleaning the old feature requests from the tracker
00:01:57dionoea2002 ! that's old
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00:07:14midkaybut is it still a standing bug or unimplemented legitimate feature? :)
00:07:23dionoeashould "button reconfiguration" requests be closed ? or are those regarded as valid ?
00:07:50dionoeamidkay: i'll only close illegitimate or unvalid or fixed stuff
00:07:55Paul_The_NerdIs there a specific one you're asking about, dionoea?
00:08:17dionoeawell there are lots in 2002
00:08:22midkaythere are lots of those..
00:08:37Paul_The_NerdI think most of the button mappings are fairly set in stone.
00:08:43midkay"hi i'd like it if you could change it so play starts a file instead of select thanks".. :\ (not a quote, just an impersonation).. i think those can be closed..
00:08:58midkayeverybody has their own idea of how the buttons should be laid out.
00:09:21Paul_The_NerdReally, right now, there should only be a couple open ones, the one that makes Play go back to WPS from the menu, and any relating to the Record button on iRivers/iAudios, in my opinion.
00:09:23midkayi don't see them changing much.
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00:15:51Mikachui hope the ipod ones aren't set until 3.1 is out
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00:21:38dionoeathis one would be nice
00:22:21Paul_The_NerdIt would have to change between <empty> and <no supported files> or <no visible files>
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00:23:07dionoeayeah, but the concept is good. i sometimes stare at the screen like 10 seconds before i understand that it's all empty because i was in an empty dir
00:23:10amiconnnls: What gcc version did you use for your experiments?
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00:23:43nlsthe one in the vmware image
00:23:46Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Another filetree improvement is a current-location line. Such as /Music/Blah, or [Main Menu] as the top line of the list.
00:23:52dionoeado old archos have WPS support ?
00:23:55amiconnCurrently we stick with gcc 3.4.x because code generated with gcc 4.x was slower in some tests
00:24:01Bagderdionoea: yes
00:24:04dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: yeah
00:24:13nlstests were made on a q6 ogg vorbis
00:24:15amiconnMaybe that is no longer true when using the 'right' -O options
00:24:15Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Though the Player only has a two text-line screen for its WPS.
00:24:27dionoeaBagder: thanks
00:24:42dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: it's just to close a feature request from 2003 :)
00:24:54nlsamiconn, how do I check the version?
00:25:05amiconnm68k-elf-gcc -v
00:25:32amiconnMost probably 3.4.6 in the vmware image
00:26:15nlswould the h300 build compile under 4.0
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00:26:51dionoeashould stuff like be closed ?
00:27:01dionoeait just isn't possible in the current framework i think
00:27:40amiconnWhy not?
00:27:52Paul_The_NerdIt wouldn't look very good? ;)
00:28:01dionoeawell it only allows 1 bitmap per char doesn't it ?
00:28:10amiconnIt should be possible. Italic won't look very good, but okay.
00:28:21dionoeaok, i'll leave it open then :)
00:28:25amiconnAmigaOS does it that way
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00:28:41amiconndionoea: On the fly...
00:28:41Paul_The_Nerddionoea: For 12 pixel tall fonts, you divide the font into 2 or 3 rows, and shift them over by one pixel?
00:28:42*freqmod thinks pc's are best for processing and embedded computer best for presenting precomputed work (fontforge can do some of that)
00:28:50amiconnBold should be fairly easy
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00:30:23amiconnAmigaOS uses the following methods: For bold, it just prints the characters twice, the second time shifted one pixel to the right
00:30:33Paul_The_Nerdfreqmod: Multi-font support would essentially negate a need for that anyway, though I don't know which would be better for battery life.
00:30:34amiconn(of course without destroying the background)
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00:31:06amiconnFor italic, it starts at the bottom, and for each 2 pixels going up, it shifts the bitmaps one pixel to the right
00:31:42amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Multi-font support won't necessarily negate a need for otf styles.
00:31:54amiconnThey save RAM
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00:32:29*amiconn thinks we should at least have bold
00:32:40freqmodamiconn: how does the o and other characters with vertial lines look, does amigaOS draw the characters shifted diagonally?
00:32:41dionoeawhat about this (Sleep mode after n tracks). It's an old patch but the concept doesn't sound stupid to me
00:33:18MikachuX uses different fonts for bold, not live processing
00:33:56*Paul_The_Nerd agrees with amiconn that bold would be nice at least.
00:34:08amiconnMikachu: Yeah, X uses _tons_ of fonts, and most of them look fairly ugly compared to the TTFs windows uses, imho
00:34:34dionoeai wonder what undeline+bold+italics would look on the 5 pixel high fonts:)
00:35:21Paul_The_NerdBlack blobs at an angle.
00:35:30amiconnTypographically, bold and italic need different fonts, but the algorithmic versions don't look too bad
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00:35:34Mikachunobody actually uses bitmap fonts in X now of course
00:35:49Mikachuexcept in terminals where speed is important
00:36:21amiconndionoea: They wouldn't be readable, but who would use such a combo?
00:36:28Galoisas of like four years ago X can fairly easily use the same TTF files that windows uses
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00:42:14k8toMikachu: are bitmap fonts really much faster? is it because they are smaller in memory?
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00:42:56Mikachumost of the speed impact comes from antialiasing, but core fonts are still faster than xft fonts without aa
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00:43:16k8toi guess i thought that you would antialias once
00:43:23k8toand then buffer the glyphs
00:43:37Mikachuyou still need to do the alphablending on the fly
00:43:42k8toi suppose there is subpixel positioning
00:43:59k8toMikachu: oh, duh
00:44:31Mikachudammit, it's something i've changed that breaks playback, but i can't isolate it
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00:51:33jobhey, I dont get the repeat a-b to work on ipod 4g. cant see how to select the interval
00:51:52stripwaxjob - press left and right, iirc
00:52:44jobive put it in repeat mode: a-b
00:52:55Mikachuis that enabled by default?
00:53:33jobbut then the manual says that I'll mark point a with "Hold Play and press Left —Sets Start Point (A)"
00:53:56Mikachui don't see the ABREPEAT define in the 4g .h file
00:53:59jobeither it just pauses the song, or shuts down (playbutton for 6sec)
00:54:33jobpage 37
00:54:38Mikachuso you need to add that and recompile i think
00:55:04Mikachua rare case of documentation being more up to date than the code
00:55:47jobis it easy ?
00:56:06jobcause im really tired, and have to sleep *-*
00:56:29jobanyway thx for a great firmware!
00:56:32jobLOVE IT!
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01:00:49Paul_The_NerdPlay+Left and Play+Right aren't ideal bindings for it on iPod anyway.
01:01:11pixelmaI think in this case the documentation is rather out of date (leftovers from another manual)
01:01:18Paul_The_NerdIn fact, I don't know if there really can be bindings for it. It may need to be menu-driven.
01:01:22Mikachui only used them to test if it actually wors
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02:35:52_Faith_help please? (can i ask?)
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04:58:10JonMoncan someone help me
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05:00:02lamedwith what?
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05:12:20scorchepeople really need to get some patience...
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05:14:31Jungti1234my H100 is broken
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08:08:24adiamasanyone know offhand if the battery life on ipod is improved with rockbox>
08:09:43MrStaticVoidbattery life is worse with rockbox at the moment
08:10:20crazybillyhow about the h120?
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08:10:37crazybillyhow's battery life compare w/ rockbox?
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08:12:16Jungti1234hahaha.... see it.
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08:15:23crazybillynot bad
08:15:36crazybillygood enough for me ;)
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08:50:01DoubleThink2Heya, is there a way to charge the ipod through USB and listen to it at the same time without it restarting into diskmode... as rockbox does....?
08:51:15Galoisthis is in the faq ... hold the menu button down
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08:51:41k8togalois, are you the same galois from #math?
08:52:50DoubleThink2oh thanks.... sorry for asking the obvious then
08:52:51k8tosorry, just curiosity. I didn't know you there, but there were people.. uh, basehead? drzachary I think? mild? you talked about you
08:53:01k8towho talked about you
08:53:42k8toit was all lauding/admiration
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09:21:19crazybillyis there a database of people's wps files somewhere?
09:21:42crazybillyor a repository, I suppose...
09:21:49aliaskSome here:
09:22:24aliaskBut there are more scattered around the place, on other websites
09:24:37aliaskMore here:
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09:46:28lexis it hard to create a rockbox theme?
09:47:14crazybillyi just looked through the manual....looks pretty easy
09:47:47crazybillyeverything's just an html-esque tag that calls an ID3 tag from the file that's playing
09:48:54crazybillynot that I've done it yet ;)
09:50:08Paul_The_NerdSpecifically see the CustomWPS Wiki page for most of the information
09:50:09midkaynot necessarily..
09:50:40Paul_The_NerdNot necessarily?
09:50:40midkaythere are plenty of non-ID3 tag things, like Rockbox battery level/remaining time info, playlist position/total, current time, RTC, etc.
09:50:47midkayplayback modes, progress bars.
09:50:49Paul_The_NerdOh, that was to the other person.
09:51:01midkay@ crazybilly.
09:51:01Paul_The_NerdI was all 'did they move the page on me?'
09:52:20crazybillyis there a way to customize what particular buttons do?
09:53:15crazybillyparticular .cfg can adjust eq as well as display, though?
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09:53:33crazybillyso you could save everything altogether, I suppose...
09:54:42Paul_The_Nerda .cfg can adjust every setting that can be saved other than things like playlist position.
09:57:10Paul_The_NerdA lot of people use them for things like switching from pocket-mode to car-mode (or rather a series of settings they feel fit it), or just a quick hop from indoor volume to outdoor volume.
09:59:15crazybillyyeah, that's kind of what I was thinking
09:59:21crazybillymostly the car/headphones thing
10:00:11Paul_The_NerdA lot of people don't realize you can save a .cfg and then cut out any lines you don't want.
10:00:25Paul_The_NerdSo you can have one sitting around just to change the shuffle/repeat settings and nothing else. change .cfgs you go into 'manage settings' right?
10:01:46crazybillyor is there a faster/easier way
10:01:47Paul_The_NerdYou CAN go to manage settings
10:01:53Paul_The_NerdBut you can also just click on them like a song.
10:02:38Paul_The_NerdEQ presets are also exactly the same sort of .cfg, as are themes (theme .cfgs traditionally are .cfgs that only load a wps, set the font, backdrop, foreground color, and background color)
10:03:34crazybillyso it's all one kind of file....just w/ more or less functionality depending on what code's in it
10:05:26crazybillyis there a way to get hte file browser to always dump you to the root when you hit select?
10:06:24Paul_The_NerdI don't believe so.
10:06:42Paul_The_NerdYou go back to either where you launched the WPS from, or if you have follow playlist enabled, wherever the current song is.
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10:08:17crazybillyalrighty−−I need to get some sleep. thanks for the help.
10:12:01lexis there are theme making howto somewhere? :o
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10:26:02JdGordonhey all
10:26:08aliaskG'day g'day
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10:36:14JdGordonbloody hell surfing at 640x480 is painful :p
10:38:16JdGordonBg3r: thanks for the fixes
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10:45:39JdGordonhmm,, everyone sleeping on on sat morning are they?
10:45:56Paul_The_NerdI know I am.
10:46:13Paul_The_NerdOh, wait, right, insomnia as usual.
10:46:28scorchepretty much...
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10:47:30scorchei scared him away =(
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10:51:59BgerJdGordon: hey
10:52:58JdGordondid you use a script to rearrange the keymap-h...c file? or did you do it manaully?
10:53:31Bgermanually :D
10:53:51Bgerbut with some kind of regex should be possible too
10:54:29JdGordonyouch, how long did it take? i was asking because i didnt see you did it on the ipod file also :p
10:54:42Bgermaybe 30 min
10:54:44Bgermaybe more
10:55:03Bgerit doesn't matter
10:55:18JdGordon:) thanks
10:55:23Bgerbtw, have in mind that i haven't checked the remote mapping ..
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10:58:05JdGordonok, im sure if there is a problem someone will be able to tell us :)
10:58:53Bgeri will add the h300 non-lcd remote too, but don't have time atm
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11:03:00BgerI think TIMEOUT_BLOCK should be -1, otherwise we can't wait for 1 tick
11:03:00Bger * Do we really need to wait for 1 tick? but ok, thats easy to fix
11:03:06Bgeri've fixed this, iirc
11:03:16Bger(very difficult :D)
11:04:57JdGordoni saw :)
11:05:03JdGordonall the comments have just been fixed
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11:06:21JdGordonim not going out for a while, so i tihnk im going to finish converting all the current button loops to this, then sit down with the target manuals and see how hard it is to do the target files without the player to test on
11:07:41JdGordonBg3r: if the keymappings are custom, do you think it shuold check the standard mappings if the button was not found?
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11:19:00lexmy disk is always on on my photo ipod :o
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11:25:14linuxstb_lex: Is the hard disk activity icon always on as well? And is this when you're playing music?
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11:26:55lexlinuxstb_: yes
11:28:28linuxstb_If you go to the main menu, then info ->Debug -> View audio thread, you'll see what's happening. I'm guessing the decoding is taking up too much CPU time, so Rockbox never manages to completely the fill the buffer and turn the disk off.
11:30:05lexpcm ~120-140k / 529200
11:30:11lexand codec is growing
11:30:17lexboost ratio 100% :o
11:30:42lexhey, it's not reading he hd now :)
11:31:13BgerJdGordon: maybe... but i still want the standard and remote buttons to be treated in the same way
11:31:26linuxstb_That's probably due to the audio debug screen itself using less CPU than your WPS. You could try just leaving Rockbox in a menu, rather than the WPS during playback.
11:31:49lexyeah.. maybe
11:32:15lexatm it's not reading the hd even if i'm on the wps
11:32:31lexbut i turned directory cache off too with the last boot
11:32:53JdGordonBger: for the moment it will check the standard keys, and i guess it probaly should stay that way (if only to save a comparisson every time a button is presed for a special case..)
11:33:02JdGordonalso, i like how you have done the remote switching
11:33:30Bgeri'm glad to hear it ;)
11:33:40linuxstblex: Yes - once the buffer is full, the hard disk is turned off until the codec buffer is almost empty, then Rockbox will fill it again.
11:33:58lexhmm :o
11:36:27lex btw there's some pictures from rockbox on my photo, but they're from very close :)
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11:51:18JdGordonBger: REMOTETYPE_UNPLUGGED isnt defined anywhere?
11:51:26Bgerit is
11:51:32Bgeri've added it yesterday to the CVS
11:52:30JdGordonah ok
11:52:42JdGordonguess i should update then :p
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11:57:20JdGordonBger: undefined reference to remote_type in the sim build :'(
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12:08:36Genre9mp3amiconn: around?
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12:17:07lexmy rockbox likes to freeze :o
12:23:02amiconnGenre9mp3: yup
12:24:06BgerJdGordon: hum
12:24:26BgerJdGordon: add a stub
12:24:52Genre9mp3Just a minor glitch on the X5 sim. The backlight of the remote doesn't turn on when a button is pressed (only when the simulator starts or changing a setting in a menu)
12:25:48Genre9mp3Also...I don't know if this is only in simulator, but the message boxes (eg. "Settings Loaded") are not readable in the X5 remote
12:25:54JdGordonBger: lcd-sdl.c ?
12:26:01BgerJdGordon: hm
12:27:13Bgeri can add it in the cvs
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12:29:26amiconnGenre9mp3: It's not a glitch. The sim only simulates the main buttons (same with the iriver sims), and the backlights only react to the respective buttons like on the target
12:30:09amiconnWhat do you mean with the msg boxes being unreadable? Do they appear garbled, or do they not appear at all?
12:31:24Genre9mp3They appear but they are unreadable because they are _almost_ a black box
12:32:50Genre9mp3amiconn: I'm making a screenshot to see
12:33:26JdGordondoes anyone know why the config block version was bumped? there is no commits to settings.h for a while?
12:34:52obocos recording was enabled on the X5s
12:36:02BgerJdGordon: the remote for X5 was enabled ..
12:36:11JdGordonah ok
12:36:23Bgerand this adds some members to the settings struct automatically
12:36:42JdGordonrighto, time to be social :( have a good day ppl, ill be back in a few hours i guess
12:36:53amiconnGenre9mp3: Oh, looks like the 2 bits belonging to a pixel are switched, so lightgrey becomes darkgrey and vice versa
12:38:05amiconnHafta check whether this is only a sim problem or within the drawing code itself
12:38:28amiconnToo bad Linus isn't here... I don't have an X5 to compare with the target
12:40:52Genre9mp3I'll ask him when he comes
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12:45:30lexi want green5g into my photo :<
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12:56:33*dionoea notices that someone completely broke the solitaire layout on the small recorder's screen
12:56:37dionoeathat's outrageous :)
12:57:36*pixelma already reported that and linuxstb wanted to do something about it :)
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12:58:40dionoeawell i'll fix it :) (since i did the old layout i guess that i'll be able to understand how it works :p )
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13:37:50amiconnlinuxstb: Didn't you already do this yesterday?
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13:45:28linuxstbNo, that was mono recording via the right channel in the headphone jack (which IPL can do). I've now got it working via the stereo line-in in the dock connector, which IPL doesn't do.
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13:58:08dionoeacan't people think a bit before commiting stuff like ? it's obvious that making the bitmaps twice as big is going to break it on small screens
14:02:36amiconnYes.... and I (as well as several other devs) know about this problem
14:03:09amiconnI wanted to fix that for quite some time now, but first didn't get enough time, and later forgot about it
14:03:21linuxstbI did get as far as converting the original small Archos bitmaps into .bmp files, but looking again now, I can't find them....
14:03:50amiconnImho the bitmaps should be converted into BMPs and the bitmap build system should be used
14:04:11aliaskI found a bug in solitaire today, tried to fix it, but the code scared me away...
14:04:12linuxstbI've found the bitmaps I made - just a moment, and I'll zip them up and put them on my website.
14:04:52aliaskFor those brave enough, the two of spades will always be allowed to go onto the "finished" stack, even if there's no ace.
14:05:21dionoealinuxstb: well i'm fixing it, doing bitmaps again and everything :)
14:05:25filRbut then you will never win. :(
14:05:43dionoeaneat :)
14:05:57linuxstbdionoea: That zip file contains (as far as I can remember), the original bitmaps from before the commit that broke it on Archos.
14:06:18linuxstb(I extracted them from an old version solitaire.c)
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14:06:35dionoeawhat targets are the 8x10 ones for ?
14:06:47linuxstbI think Archos - because of the aspect ratio.
14:07:18dionoeaarchos were 8x8 (at least those that i used)
14:07:57linuxstbI'm not sure then.... It was about 3 months ago, so I've forgotten what I did. But hopefully those .bmp files will help you.
14:08:10dionoeathey will :)
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15:28:02dionoeawas that using the dock too ?
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15:28:29linuxstbYes. I haven't tried to see if the mic input (i.e. headphone socket) is connected yet.
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15:31:13linuxstbAFAIK, you can't buy docks with line-in sockets (but please prove me wrong). Someone made one for me, and I've just sent him an email asking if I can point Rockbox users who want to record in his direction.
15:32:34dionoeaoh ... what conectors do "normal" docks have ? only usb ?
15:33:14linuxstbUSB, Firewire and line-out are normally your only options.
15:35:35JdGordonhey all
15:35:51dionoeahey JdGordon . Do you still need the recorder key mappings ?
15:36:19JdGordoni have a incomplete recorder mapping file, if you want to finish it id be greaful
15:36:40dionoeais it in the wiki patch ?
15:36:54JdGordonno"> it needs heaps of work tho
15:38:21dionoeado you have a complete keymap i could look at for reference ?
15:38:54 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))"> is a good reference
15:39:00dionoeathanks :)
15:39:28JdGordongrab the patch form the wiki for all the action codes because i dont tihnk the ipod is 100% complete
15:39:58JdGordoni could show you the file for the irivers, but its full of extra crap which the reocrder wont need (interchangable remote keymaps and such fun stuff)
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15:40:17JdGordonjust a note, the 1st and 2nd columns need to be swapped around in the recorder file
15:40:37dionoeayeah, i saw that :) lets hope that some regex magic can fix it :)
15:40:47JdGordonye, im sure it would
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15:41:21dionoeaJdGordon: shouldn't the LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST define be global ?
15:41:48dionoeaas well as the get_context_mapping function i guess
15:41:57JdGordonprobably... and no
15:42:08JdGordonget_context_mapping is target dependant
15:42:20dionoeaall the targets don't have the same contexts ?
15:42:21JdGordonas long as it returns the correct array each target can do it very differently
15:42:28dionoeaoh, ok :)
15:42:29JdGordonthey could change around
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15:52:44dionoeacan a context "inherit" another context ?
15:53:15Bgerdionoea: all context "inherit" the standard one
15:53:24dionoeaok, that's neat
15:53:46JdGordoni want oto figure out a way to build an array on the fly tho, so we have moe control
15:54:00Bgerwhat do u mean
15:54:44JdGordonumm... im not sure.. (im drunk)... :D
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15:56:04Bger'ure simulating :D
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16:00:50JdGordonwhich button is the reset button in the pitch screen?
16:03:03JdGordonlooks like the on button on iriver... so ill just use ACTION_STD_ACCEPT for it.. not the best, but good enough
16:03:31dionoeawhat's the difference between MENU and LONGMENU ?
16:04:40dionoeaand CONTEXT ?
16:05:06midkay.. menu, long menu, and context menu? :)
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16:05:58dionoeamidkay: that was easy :) ... but i never noticed 2 menus. Maybe that's something planned in the future
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16:06:11midkaywhat do you mean? context menu is hold select..
16:06:16midkaydelete, copy, cut, rename..
16:06:17JdGordoni dont tinhk you need to worry about long menu
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16:06:34dionoeahum ... ok.
16:06:40JdGordonmenu and context are needed tho
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16:07:14JdGordonye, its not used yet, maybe can be removed
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16:08:04dionoeado the TREE actions also need to be defined in a different context ?
16:08:29dionoeaor should i just define actions which you defined in keymap-ipod.c ?
16:09:26JdGordonthe tree actions can go in their own context, or the std context if they dont overlap with any of the STD_ buttons
16:10:17JdGordonoh, the TREE actions are optional
16:10:27JdGordoni should put a note next to what is optional and what isnt
16:10:45dionoeaok, so i won't define them :)
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16:11:23*JdGordon is not looking forward to porting the plugins :p
16:12:00dionoeai added the keymap on the wiki page
16:12:29dionoeawoops ... syntax error at the end
16:13:37JdGordondid you test it in the sim or on the player at all?
16:14:00dionoeano ... but it should work :)
16:14:11dionoeai'll test it if you really want
16:14:23JdGordonim happy if your happy :)
16:15:10*dionoea finds it weird that F3 is never used
16:15:25JdGordonlooks good, can you add ACTION_SETTINGS_[INC DEC]REPEAT ?
16:16:01JdGordondoes f3 do anything atm?
16:16:08dionoeaLCD menu when browsing
16:16:20JdGordonalso the #ifdef at the begining is not neded anymore, if you can remoe that also plz?
16:17:14JdGordonand grab the copyright and license stuff from the top of -ipoc.c and put your name there
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16:18:05*JdGordon thinks all files should say (c) 2001-2006 The Rockbox Team and then list all the contribs of that page.. or just the rockbox team and not worry about names
16:18:30dionoeaThe Rockbox Team isn't a legal entity
16:18:35dionoeaat least not that i know of
16:18:41JdGordondionoea: can you do any of the archos targets?
16:18:51dionoeamapping ?
16:18:53JdGordonoh, ok
16:19:03dionoeawell i already did the recorder :)
16:19:10dionoeai'll do the player
16:19:54JdGordonis the player the ondio ones? linus is worried thats where the whole tihng will fall over
16:20:06dionoeathe player is the first archos
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16:21:00dionoeaJdGordon: you're missing an action for the F3 quick menu
16:21:13dionoea(it's defined in screens.c)
16:22:06JdGordondo you mean its still in the screens.c file? or we need an ACTION_ value for it?
16:22:16dionoeawell both
16:22:19JdGordoneither way, i guess i didnt know how to handle it
16:22:33JdGordonthere are a few places i havnt touch that are actually ifdef'ed out
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16:26:17x1jmpis there already a way to read the recording data from within a plugin?
16:31:55Bgerx1jmp: see the plugin.h
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16:34:43JdGordondionoea: recorder mapping is now in the diff... im gonna upload the new version in a min, then bed time for me
16:35:02x1jmpBger: can't find something useful in plugin.h
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17:11:03secleinteerhi i was trying to find a stable build of rockbox for the ipod photo, but all i saw was daily builds
17:11:14secleinteerdoes any1 know where i can get a stable build for the ipod photo?
17:11:15Mikachuthat's right
17:11:26Mikachuthe first stable build is scheduled for november
17:11:46Mikachufor all ipods
17:11:54secleinteerwell, are any of the daily builds fairly stable enough for use?
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17:12:35Mikachuthe latest should be the best
17:12:44secleinteeras in today?
17:12:47secleinteerwon't that have bugs?
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17:13:56secleinteerso are there any previous builds that has be known to be stable?
17:14:09secleinteerhave been known*
17:14:48Mikachuthe current builds are used by lots of people
17:15:18secleinteerok, i guess i'll try it
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17:17:51linuxstbsecleinteer: Please try the latest builds, and if you find bugs, report them. That's the only way we will ever get stable builds for all the different ipods.
17:26:26secleinteerone other thing
17:26:39secleinteeri'm using the "nodefault" bin file
17:26:51secleinteeron step e, it says to type "ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color.bin"
17:27:06secleinteerbut i should really do "ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color-nodefault.bin"
17:27:23secleinteercould you add this to the instructions, as it might confuse some users?
17:28:33linuxstbPersonally, I'm more likely to delete the bootloader-color-nodefault.bin file - it's not an official bootloader.
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17:28:49secleinteeris it unstable or anything?
17:29:15secleinteersounds like all it does is switch the boot order
17:29:24linuxstbI've no idea - there's no source code to go with it, so it could be anything. But I'm assuming someone would have complained by now if it didn't work, so it should be fine.
17:30:29Mikachuno source? then you can sue them :P
17:31:26linuxstbOr sue ourselves, as it's on the Rockbox wiki....
17:32:09secleinteerno source = screw that, i'm not using it
17:32:31secleinteeri'm not gonna trust something if source isn't available
17:32:46Mikachuthey probably just added a ! in an if
17:33:07secleinteerit's a whole extra kilobyte, tyvm
17:33:17secleinteer54 instead of 53
17:33:30secleinteeryou can put a lot of stuff in a kilobyte ;D
17:33:32linuxstbsecleinteer: If you want to use the Apple firmware frequently, you might prefer the ipodlinux bootloader - you don't need to install ipodlinux, just replace "bootloader-color.bin" with "loader2.bin" (the name of their bootloader) in the Rockbox installation instructions. This should give you a boot menu where you can choose between Rockbox and the Apple firmware.
17:33:32Mikachucould be compiler settings
17:34:26linuxstbYou can download it from (the second option under "Getting It")
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17:35:16secleinteerlinuxstb: thanks a lot
17:35:19secleinteerthat would be great
17:35:53secleinteerbut if i can play my music already on my ipod through rockbox and it has no bugs, i'll probably stick with
17:36:02secleinteeri hope that trick w/ foobar works
17:36:15midkaywhich? the rebuilding database?
17:36:34midkayit doesn't for me and many others, and you don't need to anyways, rockbox has TagCache to build a database of your music files..
17:36:46secleinteeroh well, i'll just use the ipodlinux bootloader then
17:37:36secleinteerlinuxstb: i got a file called "loader.bin" from the ipodlinux wiki
17:37:39secleinteeris that correct?
17:37:52secleinteerthe zip is called
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17:39:43midkayyes, just make sure it suits your model - color/photo.
17:39:59linuxstbsecleinteer: Yes, if it was in, then that's OK.
17:40:17linuxstbAnd it will work on any ipod - IPL don't produce model-specific binaries.
17:40:43midkayno? how does that work?
17:40:44secleinteerso i don't even need the bootloader-color.bin?
17:41:00linuxstbmidkay: runtime detection.
17:41:14linuxstbsecleinteer: No - loader.bin is used instead of bootloader-color.bin
17:41:34midkaybastards. :)
17:41:56linuxstbmidkay: IMO, it's a bad thing - waste of time and memory.
17:42:27midkayprobably, yes.
17:42:41midkaywell, certainly it uses more memory and more time.
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17:42:47linuxstbBut it's not that bad, because they have malloc. It wouldn't work with Rockbox's static allocation.
17:43:46secleinteerok no i have another problem
17:43:56secleinteeri got everythign to work until i unplugged
17:44:03secleinteerwhen i restarted i got the ipl bootloader
17:44:06secleinteerbut only once
17:44:16secleinteernow if i restart, it goes straight to apple firmware
17:44:40linuxstbThat sounds odd.
17:44:49linuxstbBut sorry, I've got to go now. Back later.
17:45:14dionoeasecleinteer: you restarted using menu+select ?
17:46:27secleinteerbut i tried it
17:46:32secleinteerand it doesn't seem to work
17:46:47secleinteeri just hold down menu and select at the same time?
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17:49:44secleinteerbtw if i redo the "ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin", it works once one more time, then stops working
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20:11:54secleinteerlinuxstb: i got it to work with the official rockbox bootloader
20:12:10secleinteerhowever, i had to work a little to get it to load both firmwares
20:12:28jobexactly how do I use the bookmarks? I cant find how to create a bookmark
20:12:42secleinteerwhen i'm in rockbox, i can load the apple firmware by just turn my ipod off and restarting while holding down the menu button
20:13:18secleinteerbut after that, it stays the in apple firmware even when i restart, until i hold down menu + select, and it will restart into rockbox
20:14:14jobalso,where are instructions on how to add a patcH?
20:15:08linuxstbsecleinteer: When you "shut down" the apple firmware, it is only pretending to shut down - it goes into a sleep mode. So when you "switch it on", all you are in fact doing is waking it up from sleep - not doing a real boot.
20:15:45secleinteerwell either way, i've got it figured out
20:15:49linuxstbMENU+SELECT is the only way to actually leave the apple firmware and reboot.
20:16:02secleinteerbut i've got another question: is rockboy only for iriver?
20:16:23jobi found this
20:16:28jhMikeSMan, the X5's main LCD frame rate has taken a nosedive since the addition of the remote. 43.5->33.5 full, unboosted.
20:16:31jobrockboy for ipod 4g
20:16:38linuxstbIt works for most ipods, but maybe not all. And for the ipods it does work on, it doesn't work very well due to the ipod's lack of buttons.
20:16:52BagderjhMikeS: mostly due to the move to sdram I bet
20:17:06jhMikeSBagder: The screen buffer?
20:17:13secleinteeralso, how do i play songs in rockbox? :D
20:17:28secleinteerthere doesn't seem to be anything on the main rockbox menu for it
20:17:41jobchange to "show files: id3 database"
20:17:52linuxstbsecleinteer: You should probably read the ipod FAQ -
20:18:50jobbut linuxstb, when I choose "create bookmark" after I paused my song at the desired point nothing happens
20:19:14joband when checking "recent bookmarks" in mainmenu
20:19:21jobit says "bookmarks empty"
20:19:35linuxstbjob: Sorry, I can't help - I don't use bookmarks. Have you read the section in the manual about them?
20:20:18jobbut nothing happens
20:20:26secleinteerlinuxstb: i still don't get it
20:20:32secleinteerwhere is this "file tree browser"?
20:20:55jobcould it be the same as the "repeat a-b" function, that it is not yet implemented...
20:24:07jhMikeSBagder: Hmmm...why so? Too much SRAM usage?
20:24:34BagderI guess, I just noticed Linus did that change but I'm not sure why
20:25:20Bagderthere are probably a few more functions in iram now so the buffer doesn't fit
20:25:33jhMikeSI'd like to ask but he seems to be toiling away in his secret cave. :)
20:26:04Bagderhe's more often around during euro office hours
20:27:00leftrightis there any dev that could look at the Sudoku levels patch please
20:27:38jhMikeSBagder: Ok, never really looked where he's from. Haven't seen a glipse since a week ago. Thanks.
20:27:48leftrightmight also fix the freeze which occurs after generating 5 or 6 mediums to get to a hard level
20:27:51secleinteerlinxus: nvm got it
20:28:07BagderjhMikeS: he's one of us Swedes
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20:29:46jhMikeSBagder: I guess that makes me one of *those* Americans. :)
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20:30:15Bagderoh one of those! B-]
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20:31:58*jhMikeS say: Jag har svenska kottbullar! (All I know)
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20:33:58*jhMikeS didn't mean to say anything bad. He will stop being silly now. 8-)
20:36:38Bagderyou said "I have swedish meatballs"
20:36:57*Bagder leaves again...
20:37:57_apo_Jag aelskar sverige
20:38:10_apo_Only Swedish I know :P (Except for some numbers)
20:38:23_apo_But it's great in most convos.
20:38:38jhMikeSBagder: I that's what I was hoping. 8-D
20:39:05_apo_jhMikeS: You got glasses? :P
20:39:41jhMikeS_apo_: Huh!?!
20:39:54_apo_8 = glasses −−-> 8-D
20:40:36jhMikeS_apo_: Si, tengo. Pero no puedo oir correctamente en esta lugar. No se porque.
20:40:56_apo_Wakarimasen deshita
20:42:22_apo_If, I have. But I cannot hear correctly in this place. Not because. >_>
20:42:26_apo_Sou ka..
20:42:55jhMikeS_api_: "Yes, I have. But I can't hear correctly in this place. I don't know why."
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20:43:37_apo_I thought so..
20:43:39_apo_But why hear?
20:43:41jhMikeS_apo_: No hablo japones.
20:43:55jhMikeS_apo_: A sound.
20:44:09_apo_I don't really either... I'm only learning it, but I suck
20:44:44anton_VAMOS AMIGOOOOOS!
20:44:44_apo_But next year I'm starting Spanish, that should be easier (I already know Latin)
20:44:58*jhMikeS thinks now a display driver performance patch is even more needed.
20:45:12*jhMikeS is doing it...
20:46:03jhMikeS_apo_: I've done Spanish from listening to my GF. That's it.
20:46:27*jhMikeS It's almost ready to go up today.
20:46:59secleinteerlinuxstb: awesome stuff :D i got it working with music
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20:49:52jhMikeSanton_: Vamos a donde?
20:50:31anton_vamos el MONDE!!!!
20:52:39jhMikeSA la izquierda? Voy a cumplir mi driver patch.
20:53:52jhMikeSHasta luego mis amigos. Yo regresare mas tarde.
20:55:51anton_wanna talk some jive?!
20:56:11anton_YO BRO!
20:56:44anton_shizzle the nizzle in da mo'fo driver ass-patch
20:57:01anton_lol this soduko is harder than i thought
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21:01:23jhMikeSanton_: Yo, yo, yo. Present! Dat mo'fo driver patch is the shiznay! Shizzle.
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21:27:13jhMikeSWill I need to write a plugin to prove that the newly implemented driver functions actually work correctly? I'm not sure lcd_update_rect gets a full workout anywhere (all cases of odd/even start, end, width). LinusN said to go ahead and do everything except lcd_blit (lcd_roll is a big ??).
21:28:43k8todo you have access to the framebuffer? can you write tests?
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21:29:36jhMikeSk8to: I can. To use a plug I have to add some functions to the plugin API but I put that with the plugin so it can be tested and unpatched.
21:29:55webguest10has jdgordons 'Inser Random" patch been incorporated ?
21:29:57jhMikeSk8to: Or I guess I could make a menu item under LCD settings.
21:30:49webguest10oi devs, there's a good patch there beeging for cvs
21:31:01k8toi assume there are some unit tests somewhere and some kind of build to run them
21:33:12*webguest10 prods a idle dev to look into the Insert random patch
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21:40:03*Zagor upgrades the server
21:41:06jhMikeSk8to: I'm not seeing it
21:41:26k8tojhMikeS: i don't know, sorry, i was just .. peanut gallerying iguess
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21:42:28jhMikeSk8to: Ok...
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21:47:18*jhMikeS wonders where Bagder went...or is silenty getting his answer 8-}
21:47:48Zagorupgrade complete. see you later.
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21:49:49jhMikeSThe developer build has errors undefined references to "debug_init" and "debug". Did I forget to do something?
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22:05:19dfghello everyone
22:05:32dfgis their anyone from the rockboxcrew online
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22:07:32Mikachui don't think you're supposed to reply to your own pings
22:07:45dfglol you don't?
22:08:11dfganyways anyone know of the rd2780??
22:08:14Mikachuunless you ping yourself of course
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22:08:58dfgheheh 0ms thats the stuff!!!
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22:09:46dfgmikachu what are you doing here anyway? you from rockbox??
22:10:00Mikachui have no idea what an rd2780 is
22:10:10GnelikRCA Lyra A/V Jukebox RD2780???
22:10:11scottderRockboxia...just south of Sweden
22:10:17dfgyep gnelik!!
22:10:35scottderPeople actually bought those? :)
22:10:54dfghey they're a bargain, get them for nothing and they work fine
22:11:03dfgjust have to not be a f* noob is all
22:11:34dfganyone mind getting a move on making an alternative firmware for the thing???
22:11:56scottderSomehow I doubt it
22:12:07dfgwhat do you doubt?
22:12:33Gnelik$289.88 good price
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22:13:00Gnelikdfg: do you need one?
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22:13:23dfglousy bots
22:14:20dfgwtf do you people do in here allday any ways?
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22:24:07secleinteerlinuxstb: you there?
22:24:37secleinteeri was using rockbox for music and it was playing just fine, and suddenly the music stopped and the screen went dark
22:24:47secleinteermeaning the backlight went out
22:24:53secleinteeri think it was low on batteries
22:25:19secleinteernow, it still has the image that was there b4 the music stopped, but i can't figure out how to get it out of this state
22:25:32secleinteeri tried charging it, but i don't think it's working
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22:25:39secleinteeris there any way to fix this?
22:25:55linuxstbJust keep charging, and try pressing MENU+SELECT to reset it.
22:26:18secleinteerwhat happened?
22:26:34linuxstbSounds like your battery ran out.
22:26:36Mikachuby pressing, he means holding for 5 seconds
22:26:57linuxstbYes, he does mean that.
22:27:01secleinteerit just restarted
22:28:22secleinteeralso, can i delete the "contacts", "calendar" and "notes" folders and still have the apple firmware work?
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22:30:08secleinteerand is there any way to get the file browser to show the id3 tag album name instead of the name of the album folder? and the same for songs?
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22:34:08scottderI don't believe so....
22:35:25anton_secleinteer: why not use the splendid "id3 tags" filemode?
22:35:47anton_for music, and a quick change if you need some files
22:36:42secleinteerunder which menu do i find that?
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22:41:21xorAxAxhi, whats the current status of power saving on the nano - can it suspend the dev like the orignal firmware?
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22:43:39Bagdereh, how is that power "saving" ?
22:43:45Bagdercomplete power down saves more power
22:45:20xorAxAxthats supported?
22:45:25xorAxAxok :)
22:46:59secleinteercan rockbox play m3u's?
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22:59:09secleinteeri think this is a bug: today's build for the ipod photo keeps restarting while charging
22:59:42secleinteerwhen it's off, and i plug it into an outlet, it will reload indefinitely
22:59:48secleinteerso i have to load the apple firmware to charge
22:59:49Mikachuhold menu when you insert the cable
23:00:00secleinteeri don't want to use the ipod while i'm charging
23:00:12secleinteerisn't that when you hold down menu?
23:00:34Mikachuimean in rockbox
23:00:41secleinteeryeah i know
23:00:47Mikachuyou can't charge with the device off
23:01:02Mikachuapple and their clever designs
23:01:03secleinteerso that's the only way to charge it w/ rockbox?
23:01:28Mikachuno, like i said you can hold menu when you insert the cable and it won't restart, or you can boot apple
23:01:32Mikachuthat's two ways
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23:02:40Mikachubut my understanding is it charges faster in apple than rb because you have to fiddle with something to use more current
23:02:52Mikachubut maybe that is only for usb charging
23:03:16secleinteerusb charging as in w/o the converter for a wall outlet?
23:03:30Mikachuusb as in connected to a computer
23:03:49secleinteerwell i guess i'll just charge in apple then
23:03:58secleinteerthanks for the help
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23:15:02anton_these games just make me laugh ^^
23:15:19anton_is there a decent playable game? / where do they origin?
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23:35:56amiconnGenre9mp3: I found the problem that causes the darkgrey splash on the x5 remote.
23:36:21amiconnIt has nothing to do with the driver; the problem is the gui splash() function
23:36:31Mikachuamiconn: i noticed it seems hard to compile rb with multivolume and dircache on at the same time
23:36:58amiconnMikachu: Yeah, Slasheri didn't implement multivolume support for dircache
23:37:23amiconnscreen->set_background(LCD_LIGHTGRAY); <== OUCH!
23:37:28Mikachui guess none of the default setups try to do that
23:37:49Genre9mp3amiconn: So the problem is on target as well?
23:37:50amiconnLCD_LIGHTGRAY isn't the same as LCD_REMOTE_LIGHTGRAY, and can't be
23:38:09amiconnMikachu: Nope, not yet
23:38:45amiconnThe only target using multivolume (and hotplug) is the Ondio, and for Ondio two reasons speak against dircache
23:38:57amiconn(1) Dircache on a flash player doesn't make sense
23:39:05amiconn(2) The small RAM
23:39:19amiconnGenre9mp3: yes
23:39:21Mikachuyeah i only enabled MV to use the 60MB at the start, i don't want to risk the integrity of my main partition by moving it there
23:39:51Mikachu(1) is why i disabled TC on my nano a while ago and apparently why MV succeeded when i tried it
23:40:10Mikachui just tried enabling DC today to track down a problem with my overly patched tree
23:40:20Mikachutagcache and multivolume
23:40:43amiconnTagcache has no problems with multivolume
23:40:58Mikachui am confused and tired :)
23:42:09Mikachuwell anyway, i just wanted to check everything was as it should
23:42:21amiconnWhy don't you just repartition?
23:42:44Mikachui heard the apple firmware scribbles in that area sometimes
23:42:49Genre9mp3amiconn: About the X5 remote... since it's capable of 2bpp, loading a rwps that uses 24bit bmps is possible, right?
23:43:09Mikachuand i might accidentally leave it in apple at some point
23:43:16amiconnGenre9mp3: Maybe. I would use 4 or 8bit though. 24bit is a waste
23:43:21Mikachu(this is on a nano)
23:43:50amiconnAh, no, I guess the bitmap loader needs adjustment to produce the remote's native format on request
23:44:13*amiconn doesn't care much
23:44:53amiconnI tried using iCatcher on H140 and recorder for a while. It was unbearable for me
23:44:59amiconn(the load time, not the design)
23:45:33Genre9mp3amiconn: Sure, but it should be possible since it's possible on H100 & iPod Mini. (about the 24bit bmps)
23:45:38amiconnIriver rockbox boot time is quite long even without bitmapped wps
23:46:08Genre9mp3Anyway, I don't know about the target, but the sim crashes when you try to load 24bit on X5 rwps
23:46:25amiconn[23:43:49] <amiconn> Ah, no, I guess the bitmap loader needs adjustment to produce the remote's native format on request
23:47:18Genre9mp3And I understand what you mean about the boot time...Ondio boots and shuts down really fast! ;)
23:47:18amiconnI wouldn't use 24bit for the 2bit targets anyway. With 4bit BMP you lose _nothing_ but the files are only 1/6th the size
23:47:34amiconnYes, when flashed
23:47:57amiconnArchos recorder/player is only slightly slower
23:48:06amiconn(~5 seconds instead of 3.5)
23:48:28Genre9mp3So what was the boot time you had on H140 with iCatcher?
23:48:44amiconnDidn't measure, but 20..30 seconds
23:49:06Genre9mp3Really? Well that's really bad...
23:49:19Genre9mp3I boot quite fast with my H340
23:49:30amiconnYes. Most of it is seeking the ton of small files
23:49:34amiconn(I guess)
23:49:54Genre9mp3Well, hopefully, tar packaged wps will solve this problem
23:50:10Mikachuif you have a playlist set and autoresume on it doesn't matter so much imo, takes longer to untangle the headphones
23:50:15amiconnOn recorder it was similarly slow. On Ondio it was significantly faster, even with the slow MMC data transfer
23:50:21amiconn(but no seek delays)
23:51:13amiconnMikachu: (1) I don't use autoresume. (2) I often don't use headphones, but connect the jukebox to my setreo / car stereo
23:51:31Mikachuwell, everyone uses their dap differently i guess
23:52:03Genre9mp3Another thing I noticed is that subline wps timing differ from target to target (at least between an H300 and an Ondio)
23:52:05Mikachui usually listen on the way somewhere, so i turn it on and put it in my pockets, then i spend some time putting the headphones on and by then the music is usually playing
23:52:34Genre9mp3Animations run quite faster on Ondio than on H300
23:52:49amiconnThere's one reason why I don't use autoresume - when shutting down, I don't know how I will use the box when powering on again
23:53:14amiconn...and I surely don't want to have the volume at 0dB when using headphones
23:53:45amiconn...but that would happen if I used it in the car before
23:53:49Mikachuobo's headphone patch helps a lot there for me
23:54:04Mikachuonly resumes if something is plugged in
23:54:19amiconnThat's ipod only, isn't it?
23:54:31amiconnI have 3 .cfg files on each box, for car, hifi and earphone operation
23:54:46Mikachui don't have a car or hifi :)
23:55:46Mikachuunfortunately my tree is unable to actually play back music at the moment, so i have to use plain old cvs
23:56:11*amiconn wonders what strange things Mikachu is doing to his tree
23:56:31Mikachuyou don't want to know :P
23:57:09_apo_He puts a hole in it and uses it to- err, yea. I'll stop, I guess :P
23:57:30Mikachuyeah, no funny stories about mayonnaise here
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