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00:00:23 | scorche | I dont use autoresume because of if i put my archos in my backpack, pocket, or something, if it turns on, the idle poweroff wont set in |
00:00:48 | scorche | and it really isnt hard to just press "on" once you start the unit up |
00:01:16 | amiconn | Yeah, especially if you have rockbox in flash |
00:01:51 | Mikachu | they don't have a hold button? |
00:01:53 | amiconn | Then you can just tap ON-ON. Rockbox will catch the second ON press and queue it until it's ready to resume |
00:02:04 | amiconn | Mikachu: nope |
00:02:26 | Mikachu | they come in handy |
00:02:39 | amiconn | I don't miss hold on the archos |
00:02:48 | scorche | i dont either |
00:02:53 | amiconn | On H300 it's also not strictly necessary |
00:03:03 | amiconn | The H1x0 and the ipods absolutely need it |
00:03:19 | amiconn | (and I _hate_ it) |
00:03:27 | Genre9mp3 | Well, on Ondio would be useful |
00:03:28 | Mikachu | one of the crazy things i did was move volume setting from wps to the quick screen |
00:04:27 | midkay | why the ipods, amiconn? |
00:04:36 | midkay | ah. well.. the wheel.. never mind. |
00:04:39 | midkay | :) |
00:04:59 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: I also don't miss hold on Ondio. The only annoying thing (accidentally starting to record radio) was solved by introducing a double click |
00:05:08 | Mikachu | actually, the inside of my pocket doesn't affect the wheel, i can even scroll it with my finger through the fabric |
00:05:19 | amiconn | Really? |
00:05:29 | Mikachu | yeah, my jeans pocket |
00:05:36 | amiconn | I sometimes can't even scroll the wheel with my finger... |
00:05:41 | Mikachu | heh |
00:05:48 | amiconn | ...without something in between |
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00:06:12 | * | amiconn hates the wheel and the hold switch |
00:06:42 | Genre9mp3 | Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't used Ondio much, yet... but since it's tiny enough to put in a jeans pocket, I imagine that a hold switch would be useful |
00:07:12 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders why amiconn hates the hold switch |
00:07:32 | amiconn | Why? Because it's always on when I don't expect it to be on... |
00:07:33 | Genre9mp3 | I totally understand about the wheel though! :P |
00:07:39 | Mikachu | heh |
00:09:53 | Bagder | committer number 57 was just added |
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00:14:24 | webguest46 | number 57 huh, well he can start with this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 :)) |
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00:18:12 | freqmod | cvs co rockbox;cd rockbox-build; make; make zip; cd /mnt/ipod; unzip .../rockbox.zip; <umount> <boot rockbox> <play file>: Data abort at 01f05838 :( |
00:19:01 | Mikachu | pwned |
00:19:28 | freqmod | s/play file/play ogg file/ (gcc 4.0.3), worked before update |
00:20:04 | Mikachu | you don't have a rockbox.X file both in / and in /.rockbox or something? |
00:20:13 | freqmod | will check |
00:21:42 | freqmod | nope |
00:23:15 | freqmod | ls: http://pastebin.ca/105784 |
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00:24:00 | linuxstb_ | freqmod: That address is in a codec. What music files are you playing? |
00:24:21 | freqmod | [00:19] <freqmod> s/play file/play ogg file/ (gcc 4.0.3), worked before update |
00:26:20 | linuxstb_ | Can you look up that address in rockbox-build/apps/codecs/vorbis.map and tell us which function it is in? |
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00:28:23 | freqmod | no, not found (vorbis .map: http://pastebin.ca/105820 ), I will get a new adress |
00:29:18 | freqmod | 01F05838 |
00:29:48 | Mikachu | that is the same |
00:29:51 | linuxstb_ | According to your vorbis.map, it's towards the end of the ogg_sync_create() function. |
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00:32:19 | freqmod | http://pastebin.ca/105826 ? |
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00:37:23 | linuxstb | Yes, but I think the problem must be elsewhere. But I don't know the vorbis codec at all. |
00:38:46 | freqmod | it does not seem that the vorbis codec has changed since it worked :/ |
00:40:06 | freqmod | (it worked after 2006.07.25) |
00:40:21 | amiconn | The last change in Tremor happened 4 days ago |
00:40:43 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/Tremor/sharedbook.c.diff?r1=1.5&r2=1.6&sortby=date |
00:41:03 | freqmod | 2006.07.25 |
00:43:06 | freqmod | speex crashed in ogg_stream_pagein |
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00:43:37 | amiconn | Strange.... |
00:43:46 | amiconn | I get different addresses in my .map |
00:44:03 | freqmod | could someone (else) test ipod with latest cvs? |
00:44:12 | amiconn | While this is for a different ipod, the codec addresses should be all the same, shouldn't they? |
00:44:43 | dionoea | re |
00:45:01 | freqmod | as (AFAIK) all ipods (except 60GB's) is run with 32 MB memory i think so |
00:45:13 | amiconn | freqmod: arm-elf-gcc -v ? |
00:45:18 | amiconn | Mine is 4.0.3 |
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00:46:11 | freqmod | http://pastebin.ca/105837 (3.0.2) |
00:46:14 | freqmod | ehh 4.0.3 |
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00:47:31 | freqmod | host:x86_64 |
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00:48:20 | linuxstb_ | My vorbis.map matches freqmod - for my ipod Color with arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 |
00:48:34 | linuxstb_ | (x86 Linux host) |
00:48:36 | amiconn | Strange... I compared your .map with mine |
00:48:58 | amiconn | They start to differ at ov_pcm_seek_page() |
00:49:03 | amiconn | cygwin here |
00:49:12 | linuxstb_ | Different linking order? |
00:49:17 | amiconn | Nope |
00:49:53 | amiconn | my ov_pcm_seek_page() has a size of 0x9f0 bytes. freqmod's has a size of 0xa20 bytes |
00:50:10 | freqmod | rockbox (not pure cvs) won't reboot when usb is inserted & codec (that works) is playing, but clicks work when the usb cable is removed again |
00:52:43 | freqmod | i think the simplest way to fix it is to download old revisions of cvs and check when it works again |
00:56:42 | amiconn | Hmm. When building on debian-amd64 I get the same vorbis.map as freqmod |
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01:00:17 | * | freqmod checks out cvs from 25.07.2006 |
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01:03:49 | webguest78 | jdGordon, is your insert random patch going to be committed ? |
01:04:10 | JdGordon | hopefully.. i dunno |
01:04:39 | webguest78 | is your online build system up and runing ? |
01:05:32 | JdGordon | no |
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01:09:25 | * | freqmod checks out cvs from 28.07.2006 (25.07.2006 works, with cleaned .rockbox folder) |
01:11:03 | amiconn | Odd... |
01:11:48 | amiconn | vorbis.codec binaries built under Linux (both x86 and amd64) become 52 bytes larger than those built under cygwin |
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01:12:00 | amiconn | Same gcc version, plain cvs |
01:13:04 | amiconn | I don't think that's supposed to happen. |
01:13:08 | JdGordon | haha wierd... |
01:13:14 | JdGordon | does t happen for any other files? |
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01:13:27 | amiconn | JdGordon: Maybe... didn't check |
01:13:45 | k8to | did you do a bindiff? |
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01:14:05 | amiconn | I checked vorbis.map |
01:14:38 | amiconn | It's the same binutils version (2.16.1) and the same gcc version (4.0.3) |
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01:27:36 | freqmod | have someone tried to reproduce the bug with cleaned .rockbox directory and make fullzip |
01:28:51 | freqmod | s/have/has/ |
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01:30:15 | secleinteer | hey, i'm having problems w/ songs skipping in today's build for the ipod photo |
01:30:18 | secleinteer | is there a fix for this? |
01:35:20 | * | freqmod can play ogg files (on ipod) when .rockbox is made from scratch |
01:36:56 | secleinteer | ok........ |
01:37:22 | * | freqmod recomends to use yesterday's build if that worked |
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01:39:06 | secleinteer | i just started using rockbox today |
01:39:33 | freqmod | what kind of files are skipping? |
01:39:37 | secleinteer | mp3's |
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01:40:17 | freqmod | which bitrate? |
01:40:54 | secleinteer | lemme check |
01:41:18 | secleinteer | 320 kbps |
01:43:01 | freqmod | maybe to high bitrate, check with a 128kbps file, if that works then the mp3 decoder is to slow for the ipod processor, it has to be more optimized, which ain't likely as it is already quite optimized. |
01:43:32 | secleinteer | it works just fine with the apple os - is there a reason it's not possible w/ rockbox? |
01:43:49 | JdGordon | the ipod code isnt ptimized much yet |
01:43:55 | secleinteer | k |
01:44:35 | secleinteer | and how do you make a rockbox font? |
01:44:51 | freqmod | windows or linux? |
01:44:56 | freqmod | or mac? |
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01:45:45 | secleinteer | windows |
01:46:09 | freqmod | windows or (preferably) linux: download fontforge and use convbdf from the rockbox tools directory in the source (compiled with cygwin) |
01:46:27 | freqmod | fontforge writes bdf files (and reads at least ttf files) |
01:46:54 | freqmod | and .fnt files |
01:46:59 | secleinteer | well before that, is there a font for rockbox that is similar to tahoma size 9 on the computer? |
01:47:15 | JdGordon | there is a zip with a heap of fontz ont he download page |
01:47:22 | JdGordon | the daily builds page i mean |
01:47:34 | secleinteer | i know |
01:47:37 | secleinteer | i've got that |
01:48:17 | secleinteer | but tahoma 9 is so amazing, i wanted to see if i could get it :D |
01:48:49 | secleinteer | or tahoma any size actually |
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01:49:57 | secleinteer | but it seems that currently the closest is "helvR12" |
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01:56:08 | jhMikeS | What tool makes the 16-bit bitmaps? Neither paint nor my version of photoshop do it. |
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02:17:28 | JdGordon | who reckons ill get in toruble if i change the current buttons pretty drastically for the ondio? :D |
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02:17:58 | goffa | i reckon i wouldn't care :) |
02:18:04 | goffa | but then i don't have an ondio |
02:18:06 | goffa | he he he |
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02:19:47 | JdGordon | well ye, i dont have an ondio either, but noone else is volunteering to figure out the key combinations :D |
02:22:13 | JdGordon | does anyone in here have an ondio? |
02:28:50 | JdGordon | hmm... there is a problem in the recorder manual |
02:29:15 | JdGordon | it says hold-on in the wps is both show pitch screen and show context menu? |
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03:01:11 | Genre9mp3 | I'm experiencing a very weird problem... I had some recordings (14,7GB total) that I transfered from my player to PC. After that, the free space isn't right (it says 5,6GB and it should say 16,2GB) The thing is that I deleted "Recycled" and "System Volume Information" folders from the player (using Rockbox) and also disabled Trash Can from WinXP |
03:01:49 | Genre9mp3 | Now, Windows show 16.2GB free space (as it should) but Rockbox keep saying 5.6GB... any ideas what is wrong? |
03:03:02 | linuxstb | It's a known problem that Windows doesn't update the free space info on the disk. There's an option in Rockbox update it, but I forget where it is... |
03:04:13 | Genre9mp3 | Hmmm...but Rockbox is the one that shows it wrong |
03:05:02 | linuxstb | Yes - because Rockbox reads the value that should be correct in the FAT32 filesystem. Windows doesn't write the correct value there. |
03:05:41 | Genre9mp3 | I see.... |
03:05:52 | * | Genre9mp3 searches through the menu |
03:06:01 | Genre9mp3 | Thanx linuxstb |
03:06:32 | linuxstb | I've got a feeling it's hidden in the "disk info" screen - you press a button to make Rockbox update the free space info. Let me check the source.... |
03:07:12 | Genre9mp3 | Found it! |
03:07:14 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
03:07:28 | Genre9mp3 | You just have to press play in Rockbox Info screen! |
03:07:43 | Genre9mp3 | Now it shows 16.2GB! |
03:08:09 | Genre9mp3 | Phew... |
03:08:34 | Genre9mp3 | For a moment I thought that I downgraded my H340 to H330! |
03:08:51 | Genre9mp3 | Again, thank you linuxstb |
03:09:01 | Genre9mp3 | It's always nice to learn new things |
03:09:14 | linuxstb | I just hang around here too much... |
03:11:15 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
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03:17:32 | JdGordon | hey linuxstb, do you have an ondio? |
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03:37:41 | lamed | hey guys! thank you for granting me a cvs write access! I'm very short on time (I should be sleeping really) and I want to try out my abilities... I'm about to submit #4761, I believe there are no objections that I should know about before I submit? |
03:38:39 | midkay | what is it? *checks* |
03:38:46 | midkay | congrats, btw :) |
03:39:15 | * | JdGordon is jelous :p |
03:39:22 | JdGordon | whats 4761? |
03:39:24 | midkay | sounds good. make sure he's added to the credits.. |
03:39:30 | midkay | JdGordon: lots of pause-on-hold patches for games. |
03:39:41 | JdGordon | oh, nice |
03:39:46 | JdGordon | long overdue :) |
03:40:02 | midkay | :DDD:D:D::D |
03:41:11 | JdGordon | is that morse-code smileys? |
03:42:44 | lamed | midkay: take a l00k athe code, i think it's ok to assign button = QUIT; wouldn't you agree? it's not hackish? I've seen this around the morse code. |
03:43:31 | midkay | which code? |
03:43:44 | midkay | did you give the the right FS#? i see a lot of simple patches for game pausing. |
03:43:49 | midkay | not sure which you mean, if os. |
03:43:50 | midkay | so* |
03:43:59 | lamed | at the end of 4761, the bundle. |
03:44:19 | midkay | aha.. |
03:44:50 | midkay | yes, that's fine.. quite a simple way to deal with it. :) |
03:44:59 | midkay | have you tested it? |
03:48:18 | lamed | well, i wrote it. |
03:48:22 | lamed | then yeah |
03:48:51 | lamed | but it was a long time ago, i'm actually fidelling around updating my cvs with no suceess atm |
03:48:55 | midkay | you did? |
03:49:01 | midkay | that's you?! :) |
03:49:26 | lamed | & lukas guy that I should credit |
03:49:56 | midkay | yes, if he wrote it or helped with it. |
03:50:02 | lamed | he started out working on it before me although I gave the idea for the patch... but i end up with a simpler way |
03:50:55 | lamed | :( why ho why can't i update my repository |
03:51:33 | midkay | so you're committing his patch or your own code |
03:51:33 | midkay | ? |
03:51:39 | midkay | cvs up -dP doesn't work? |
03:57:15 | lamed | the last patch is mostly my own code, but what does it matters..? for some reason cvs update hangs. but I can download a new repository. midkay do you know your way around commiting commands? |
03:57:50 | midkay | lamed: i just didn't really understand what you meant by saying he wrote the code but you ended up with a simpler way.. *shrugs* |
03:58:04 | midkay | yes, i know the usage of commit.. |
03:58:16 | midkay | dunno about the update thing.. *weird* |
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04:00:21 | lamed | I ment my way was just checking if hold switch is on, and if it was, then just change the button to pause. he used some other technic. how do I commit a bunch of files? If i got it right, the -r flag is automatically set, so i should just 'cvs commit -m "blah blah thanks to blah blah " ' and everything that I changed in the repository will be commited? |
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04:01:44 | webguest30 | can someone help me |
04:01:51 | midkay | hmm.. probably not the best way. i'd just do cvs commit -m "Patch #whatever by whoever, adds pause on hold functionality etc etc" apps/plugins/snake.c apps/plugins/snake2.c .... |
04:02:23 | midkay | lamed: if you've changed anything else you don't want that to get committed too.. i just personally prefer to be more specific about the files committed. |
04:02:29 | webguest30 | im kinda new to rockbox and i would like to know how to add patches |
04:02:44 | midkay | webguest30: we have docs on setting up a compiler and patching. check the wiki. |
04:03:12 | webguest30 | thanks |
04:03:19 | midkay | sure. |
04:03:42 | lamed | midkay. I haven't seen it documented, but I assume you mean 'cvs commit apps/plugins/brickmania.c /firmware/usb.c' for example? |
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04:04:02 | lamed | what I mean was, specifying every file? |
04:04:05 | midkay | forget the "/" before "firmware" but that works, yes. |
04:04:06 | midkay | yeah. right. |
04:04:11 | midkay | that's just the way i prefer to do it.. |
04:04:22 | midkay | small risk of committing other nonrelated changes if you just "commit everything that's different". |
04:04:27 | lamed | midkay, what's your cvs name? |
04:04:50 | midkay | hm. "midkay" i believe.. |
04:05:09 | midkay | no. "midk". |
04:08:24 | lamed | ... you might help me with that one. there's a way I could download and extract a repository from the site, and then tell cvs to make the CVS entries files, do you know it? |
04:09:08 | midkay | cvs entries files? not sure what you mean, or unfamiliar with it.. |
04:10:41 | lamed | there's a CVS folder in every folder under your repository tree. I don't think I could 'cvs commit' without that folder, becuase then CVS doesn't know whether I have a newer version then the server repository or not. |
04:11:13 | lamed | and I can't update my repository for some reason... so i'm trying to avoid the problem |
04:11:32 | midkay | oh, did you check out the repository without logging in? |
04:11:46 | midkay | you need to make sure you're logged in whilst you check out cvs or you won't be able to commit it, i've had that problem before. |
04:12:06 | midkay | doesn't, like, associate the checkout with the username (if you checked out with anonymous and tried to commit with your cvs username). |
04:12:20 | midkay | i'd just recheckout, dunno how else to get around that. |
04:12:40 | midkay | i guess that'd stop update from working also, makes sense. |
04:13:40 | lamed | I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, and thats because I haven't 'checked out' and i don't know what that means... |
04:14:03 | lamed | (because I never 'checked out') |
04:14:13 | midkay | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox [or rockbox-devel] |
04:14:28 | midkay | 'co' there == check out. just means downloading the repository. |
04:14:36 | midkay | you did that at one point, right? |
04:14:42 | lamed | of course :) |
04:14:46 | lamed | just after |
04:15:03 | midkay | make sure you login and instead of "anonymous" you use e.g. "lamed". |
04:15:04 | lamed | cvs -d:pserver:lamed@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login |
04:15:17 | lamed | :) |
04:15:26 | midkay | right, enter password, then do the checkout bit, you should have all the stuff, apply the patch + commit ought to work :) |
04:15:48 | lamed | actually, I done that, but some files where just skipped :( |
04:15:58 | midkay | just needs to be committed from source you've checked out from the "lamed" username instead of "anonymous" if you checked it out before you got cvs access. |
04:16:05 | lamed | nah wait |
04:16:22 | lamed | now it seems ok, let me have a look |
04:17:52 | midkay | ah. :) |
04:20:33 | lamed | ah, I get it, chmod proble, |
04:20:44 | lamed | no write access |
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04:21:49 | midkay | ah. |
04:22:52 | lamed | hehe 'chmod 777 -R * ' I'm not playing any games.... |
04:23:10 | midkay | haha. |
04:23:13 | midkay | :) |
04:23:49 | lamed | bah. I still can't patch. |
04:23:59 | midkay | (: |
04:24:00 | lamed | i got as up as -p5 |
04:24:01 | midkay | :(* |
04:24:15 | midkay | not familiar with those commands.. |
04:24:32 | lamed | patch -p5 < holdswtich I'm sure you know this one |
04:24:38 | midkay | no.. |
04:24:46 | midkay | i always just do patch < whatever.patch usually. |
04:25:11 | lamed | then you can't use it on multiple files |
04:25:23 | midkay | multiple files? |
04:25:27 | midkay | really dunno how that works. |
04:25:37 | midkay | i mean.. i do it manually by giving it the files to patch.. |
04:25:44 | midkay | i usually end up just doing it totally manually. |
04:25:49 | midkay | adding+removing lines from the source files. |
04:26:04 | lamed | -p0 tells patch to use the /tree structure. -p1 will crop the rightmost directory. |
04:26:39 | midkay | ah. |
04:29:08 | lamed | but my patchfile was missing that tag, so i simply used it without -p0 ... lol |
04:30:05 | * | midkay is already rather lost :) |
04:36:06 | lamed | thanks so much for your help! |
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04:36:32 | midkay | np, got it working? :) |
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04:39:00 | lamed | fixing wormlet atm |
04:39:04 | lamed | builing a sim |
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04:40:11 | midkay | cool. :) |
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04:44:42 | lamed | midkay: how do i mount my h120 player under linux? (vmware but it's the same), the interface is recognized. |
04:45:23 | midkay | lamed: i haven't the least idea.. i don't let vmware detect it at all, just copy from the vmware image's samba network server thing to your iPod in windows. |
04:45:26 | midkay | er, iriver. |
04:45:26 | midkay | :) |
04:47:13 | lamed | just trying to do things the right way so i could move to linux more easily, that's the overall goal |
04:47:57 | lamed | what players do you own? (for testing) |
04:48:05 | lamed | (that patch) |
04:48:07 | midkay | i wouldn't consider vmware the "right way" tbh, I never had success mounting my ipod - not sure if it's a vmware thing or just a lack of linux knowledge - maybe you can mount it somehow. it's probably something like /dev/sdb1.. |
04:48:12 | midkay | i have an iPod 5G. |
04:48:54 | lamed | it's probably verrrry easy to mount it. IPODs has hold switch? |
04:49:10 | midkay | hm, dunno, and yes, they do. |
04:49:11 | midkay | :) |
04:49:41 | midkay | although i can't really test it right now unless it's imperative, i'd have to locate the ipod and the cable.. |
04:49:46 | lamed | can I send a button hold to the simulator without gdbugging it? |
04:54:56 | lamed | working! submitting now! |
04:54:59 | midkay | hmm, no idea. |
04:55:03 | midkay | cool. :) |
04:55:08 | midkay | congrats on access+first commit then :) |
04:55:22 | lamed | :DDDDDDDDD |
04:56:04 | lamed | i can't cvs diff to a file so i'll probably have trouble committing. |
04:57:39 | Galois | any reasonably modern linux will automount the ipod for you |
04:57:42 | midkay | hm.. |
04:57:47 | Galois | if you must do it manually, it's /dev/sdb2 not sdb1 |
04:58:05 | Galois | because ipods use partition number 2 for data |
04:59:23 | midkay | quite possible, i have quite little knowledge as to how linux works in that aspect :) |
04:59:25 | midkay | and most others. |
04:59:55 | lamed | midkay, i shouldn't get: |
04:59:56 | lamed | CVS: Modified Files: |
05:00 |
05:00:02 | lamed | CVS: apps/FILES apps/Makefile apps/README apps/SOURCES |
05:00:05 | lamed | CVS: apps/abrepeat.c apps/abrepeat.h apps/action.h |
05:00:16 | lamed | and all the other files in RB |
05:00:31 | Galois | the usual strategy is to look in /var/log/messages for something like |
05:00:32 | Galois | Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62 |
05:00:32 | Galois | SCSI device sda: 7999488 512-byte hdwr sectors (4096 MB) |
05:01:08 | Galois | that confirms the drive device (sda), and then you can do "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to see which partition is the correct one |
05:01:17 | lamed | should I? |
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05:05:20 | midkay | lamed: i never do.. |
05:05:39 | midkay | you did "cvs commit -m "whatever" apps/plugins/snake.c apps/plugins/snake2.c apps/plugins/wormlet.c" etc? |
05:06:53 | lamed | nope. I just cvs commit, but it doesn't seems right so now I did it your way. (without the -m flag). where do I put my comment? just write it down without a CVS: at the beggining? |
05:07:44 | midkay | no.. |
05:07:52 | midkay | cvs commit -m "comment here" files/here |
05:08:29 | lamed | no, if you don't -m, it opens up an editor for you. i guess you don't know what I mean? |
05:09:06 | midkay | do -m and that lets you do the comment inline.. |
05:09:16 | midkay | i do know what you mean, but why not just do -m? |
05:09:26 | midkay | -m means "a comment follows".. |
05:09:47 | midkay | i don't really know how it works when it opens an editor, i always just do -m "whatever i wanna say" apps/whatever/whatever.c |
05:11:34 | lamed | yeyyyy!!!! |
05:11:44 | lamed | http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-07-30%2003:10:30.html |
05:12:10 | midkay | lamed: yaay, nice. :D |
05:13:10 | lamed | thank you!!! and don't be afraid of using the editor, it's like I thought it is... weee!! I can't believe I just made my |
05:13:39 | lamed | first change as a developer :))) mom is going to be so proud! |
05:13:52 | midkay | haha, hm.. i don't mind inline comments.. either way works fine :D no problem, glad it's working for you.. must seem a bit confusing at first.. you've figured it out though. :) |
05:13:54 | midkay | hahaha. |
05:13:55 | midkay | :D |
05:16:07 | lamed | now I'm waiting for a totally RED BUILD TABLE.... (don't jinks it) |
05:16:37 | midkay | haha. the anticipation is great. |
05:16:37 | midkay | :) |
05:16:58 | midkay | nope, didn't change a thing. :) |
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05:17:40 | lamed | but it has! |
05:17:55 | lamed | ipod 4g gray sim? |
05:18:09 | lamed | am i looking at the wrong place? |
05:18:10 | midkay | these are on-and-off errors that are specific to the server that compiled it :\ |
05:18:18 | lamed | ah! TT! |
05:18:31 | midkay | it would appear you introduced a problem but it's just something to do with a build server, maybe out of date or wrong versions of GCC or something. |
05:18:48 | midkay | they're unrelated errors so they aren't your fault :) |
05:19:02 | midkay | nevertheless ought to be fixed sooner or later.. |
05:19:17 | lamed | mmm. i'm happy to hear that ... because the error was in midi and I haven't touched that at all... |
05:19:38 | midkay | yeah, generally if it's in something you haven't touched or something that doesn't for example use anything you've touched it's not your fault.. |
05:19:50 | midkay | shouldn't be hard, just look at the error and see if it references anything you've done. |
05:20:21 | midkay | e.g. if you change a plugin library, all the plugins using the library might break due to a problem with your code, but it might not necessarily give an error on the library itself. |
05:21:18 | lamed | midkay thanks again for your help and advice :) now I only have 3 hours to sleep (and it's already is 6 am) |
05:22:00 | * | lamed looks at his name under the who tab on the build table :DDD |
05:22:35 | midkay | ouch :) |
05:22:39 | midkay | haha. yeah.. congrats again, have fun :) |
05:22:45 | midkay | now sleep, it's necessary. :) |
05:22:50 | midkay | we don't want you dead! :) |
05:23:04 | lamed | I can't believe I haven't made any mistakes without any sleep :) |
05:23:32 | midkay | haha. |
05:23:35 | midkay | you will soon enough :D |
05:23:41 | lamed | hehehe |
05:23:45 | lamed | cya! |
05:23:54 | midkay | seeya. :) |
05:23:56 | midkay | sleep well! |
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05:26:02 | Terinjokes | heya, I just put IpodLinux on my nano, i'm happy with it, is there anything in rockbox that might make me use it? |
05:27:10 | Terinjokes | hrm, seems i justed missed midkay |
05:27:19 | midkay | oy.. |
05:27:37 | Terinjokes | the logs said you quit |
05:27:43 | midkay | no, lamed quit.. |
05:27:44 | midkay | :) |
05:28:06 | Terinjokes | hrm, so you see my statement above ^ |
05:28:26 | Landus | Because it's late at night and I don't have the energy to look. |
05:28:28 | midkay | um.. you'd probably want iPodLinux for "cool" "very nice looking" themes and some games like the gameboy emulator.. |
05:28:34 | Landus | Does Rockbox support FLAC? |
05:28:38 | midkay | you'd want rockbox for music playback.. |
05:28:53 | midkay | for something that works and works well for music (and we do have plenty of plugins like games and demos and apps). |
05:28:54 | midkay | Landus: yes. |
05:29:15 | midkay | mp3, ogg, flac, ac3, wav, wavpack.. and several more. |
05:29:29 | Landus | I'm tempted to convert all my music into FLAC. |
05:29:40 | Terinjokes | hrm, well i was hoping for some screenshots, and it seems the supprt here is nice (i'm a noob at linux, and as such, support is limited for iPL) |
05:29:49 | Landus | Does anyone know the sizes compared to Ogg Vorbis. |
05:29:54 | Landus | Which is smaller? |
05:30:04 | midkay | Terinjokes: we'll help you with anything rockbox-related as best we can.. |
05:30:13 | midkay | Landus: much bigger, since it's lossless. |
05:30:24 | Landus | Okay. |
05:30:24 | midkay | probably instead of maybe 4mb for a few minute song you'd have 20-30mb.. |
05:30:26 | Terinjokes | hrm, does it work on the 2GB iPod Nano? |
05:30:40 | midkay | Terinjokes: yes, all nanos. |
05:30:43 | midkay | screenshots.. hm.. wait. |
05:30:49 | Landus | Let's take a single CD consisting of 11 tracks and about four minutes long for each song. |
05:31:02 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano shows off plenty of themes you can download. |
05:31:04 | Landus | Take a guess on how big each file encoded in FLAC would be? |
05:31:13 | Terinjokes | cool,so does this wipe out the factory Apple OS, or does it simply hide it like iPL? |
05:31:16 | midkay | landus: in FLAC probably around 20-25mb. |
05:31:26 | Landus | :( |
05:31:39 | midkay | Terinjokes: well, "hides" it, but you can always access it by holding MENU when you start up. |
05:31:41 | Landus | Guess I'll just use FLAC for preserving CD's. |
05:31:52 | Landus | Now, to get Replaygain tags for Ogg Vorbis working. |
05:31:56 | midkay | Landus: unless you're in it for the lossless factor (you really care about retaining quality) you should stay with maybe mp3 or ogg.. |
05:32:14 | Landus | Ew. Not mp3. |
05:32:20 | Terinjokes | so, rockbox will work with iTunes? |
05:32:30 | Landus | Uh. |
05:32:31 | midkay | .. alright.. |
05:32:33 | Landus | No. Not really. |
05:32:33 | midkay | :) |
05:32:42 | Landus | It's much easier to use Winamp. |
05:32:44 | midkay | Terinjokes: nah, not .. exactly.. |
05:32:52 | Landus | Or just drag and drop into G: |
05:33:00 | Landus | Or whatever drive your iPod shows up as. |
05:33:04 | Terinjokes | Landus...mac user |
05:33:12 | midkay | Terinjokes: you can either copy files to your iPod with file structure that you want, or you can continue using iTunes and use rockbox's tag database to build a db of all your files browsable by ID3 tags. |
05:33:24 | Landus | Then whatever represents your iPod. |
05:33:44 | Landus | Anyway, the only thing mp3 has going for them is MP3Gain. |
05:33:53 | Landus | Replaygain with Ogg Vorbis is a pain. |
05:34:02 | Landus | I've been doing this when I get a CD. |
05:34:07 | Landus | Rip to mp3 |
05:34:12 | Landus | Run MP3Gain. |
05:34:14 | Landus | Remove the tags. |
05:34:19 | Landus | Convert to Ogg Vorbis. |
05:34:24 | Terinjokes | midkay, so i can just use select+play like I am now to get to "Disk Mode" and use iTunes that why, and it should work, no? |
05:34:28 | Landus | Now I see that Rockbox supports Replaygain tags. |
05:34:45 | Landus | and I find that I can't use MP3Gain to add Replaygain tags to Ogg Vorbis. |
05:35:16 | Landus | And there's only a badly written comand like program that gets 0 stars in flexibility that works with Replaygain in Ogg Vorbis. |
05:35:25 | Landus | </rant> |
05:35:39 | midkay | Terinjokes: select+play still works, sure.. yes, itunes will work that way, right. |
05:35:56 | midkay | then you need to update rockbox's own database whenever you update with iTunes - that may or may not happen automatically - and then you're good to go. |
05:36:01 | midkay | Landus: ah.. |
05:36:12 | midkay | Landus: haha. good luck then :) |
05:36:20 | Landus | I'll need it. |
05:36:40 | Terinjokes | cool, well, lets see how rockbox rolls...i've used Apple OS for one day, linux for one day, and now Rockbox, and tomorrow, it will be one day |
05:37:23 | midkay | Terinjokes: cool. it mostly boils down to whether you want games and cool graphical effects and stuff, or software that has lots of music-playback-related functionality and sounds great. |
05:38:40 | Terinjokes | um...well...i'm really in it for the customisation....EVERYONE has this default ipod thing going on, and iPL isn't helping me support wise very much |
05:38:57 | midkay | iPodLinux pretty much includes music playback as an afterthought once all the themes/games/demonstrations are done.. it's not very good for playing music or doing much worthwhile. |
05:39:40 | midkay | iPL is quite complicated, rockbox is rather themable but not to such an extent, you can customize your font and backdrop and entire while-playing-screen, as well as a lot of other little UI things, but it might not look as pretty in the end depending on what you like. |
05:39:49 | Terinjokes | yes, i'm stuck using Podzilla (whatever that is) because everyone wants it to work on G5 first |
05:40:20 | midkay | haha. |
05:40:25 | Terinjokes | hey, i'm take a G1 ipod theme over the nano's default |
05:40:36 | midkay | haha. |
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05:41:53 | Terinjokes | i swear, every ipod is the same, they all are in cute little sleeves, everyone has the same ugly headphones, all have music that is not organisations, video's i can't talk about, and that ugly aqua like thing |
05:42:14 | saratoga | is anyone here familar with rockbox profiling? |
05:42:51 | midkay | Terinjokes: haha, i suppose - why'd you get one if you didn't want that? :) |
05:43:05 | Terinjokes | it was given to me |
05:44:04 | * | Terinjokes is uninstalling iPD |
05:44:19 | midkay | ah, i see, i see :) |
05:44:43 | saratoga | i have several questions |
05:44:48 | Terinjokes | just like my mac was given to me |
05:45:02 | midkay | haha. getting a lot of Apple stuff for free, hm? :) |
05:45:10 | midkay | saratoga: i'm not really, but you could ask, maybe someone can help. |
05:45:21 | saratoga | basically, does "# Configure a developer build with profiling support." happen when I configure a developer build or is there more to it? |
05:45:40 | Terinjokes | i get google stuff for free to... |
05:45:43 | saratoga | midkay: I'll take what help i can get :) |
05:46:13 | midkay | saratoga: haha, hm.. uh.. no idea at all. :) |
05:46:19 | saratoga | ah well |
05:46:34 | saratoga | i guess the main devs are already asleep |
05:46:47 | Terinjokes | grr...no one told me it has to be FAT32! |
05:47:03 | saratoga | I believe that is in the manual |
05:47:28 | Terinjokes | i just now read the wiki |
05:48:36 | midkay | Terinjokes: there's a mac page.. |
05:48:37 | midkay | wait. |
05:48:56 | midkay | try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
05:49:14 | Terinjokes | yes, doing the manual instructions |
05:49:35 | Terinjokes | but i can't seem to unmount the ipod |
05:49:52 | midkay | is it ejected from itunes and not open anywhere etc? |
05:50:22 | Terinjokes | no, go down to here: ust managed it on my Nano from OSX, and it was horrible ( but worth it ). My tips : −− AndrewWatson - 27 Jun 2006 |
05:50:26 | Terinjokes | on that wiki page |
05:51:28 | Terinjokes | hold on, never reboot after uninstalling linux |
05:53:16 | midkay | jsjs. |
05:53:18 | midkay | haha* |
05:53:31 | Terinjokes | javascript javascript |
05:56:29 | Terinjokes | hrm, anyway of formating the ipod to FAT32 on a mac? |
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05:57:41 | midkay | try and find a tool or googile.. |
05:57:52 | Terinjokes | hrm..getting kinda late |
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06:04:05 | secleinteer | hey, does any1 know if using a black for the background color and white for text will drain the batteries faster than using a white background and black text? |
06:04:38 | saratoga | I don't think it makes a big difference |
06:04:49 | saratoga | though it probably uses a tiny bit more power |
06:05:19 | secleinteer | ok |
06:05:29 | secleinteer | because rockbox seems to be draining my batteries pretty fast |
06:05:41 | midkay | no, it won't really change it noticeably at all.. |
06:05:46 | secleinteer | ok |
06:05:52 | midkay | yes, your battery life won't be as good as Apple firmware.. |
06:06:06 | midkay | maybe 8-10 hours. it shouldn't be evident that you're draining that quicky within a few minutes of installation though.. |
06:06:22 | secleinteer | my ipod is around a year old |
06:06:36 | secleinteer | so it's already got an old battery |
06:06:41 | midkay | that won't help matters, but it shouldn't be that bad. |
06:06:46 | secleinteer | ok |
06:06:53 | midkay | when did the nanos even come out in fact. |
06:07:00 | secleinteer | i dont know |
06:07:05 | secleinteer | i have an ipod photo 20 gig |
06:07:16 | midkay | oh, confused you with someone else. :) |
06:07:23 | secleinteer | oh lol |
06:07:33 | secleinteer | wasn't sure why you were asking that :D |
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06:07:52 | midkay | :) |
06:08:14 | secleinteer | do you think battery usage will be optimized in time? |
06:08:31 | midkay | of course, it's an ongoing movement, it'll just keep improving, probably gradually. |
06:08:46 | secleinteer | i hear that with other brands, rockbox is better than the default firmware |
06:08:46 | midkay | the iPods are still in what you'd call beta stages for sure. |
06:08:52 | secleinteer | yeah |
06:08:58 | midkay | with all brands. battery life can be a problem on iPods though. |
06:08:59 | midkay | :) |
06:09:03 | secleinteer | yeah |
06:09:09 | secleinteer | saw something on digg about that a few days ago |
06:09:26 | secleinteer | the only problem i've run into with rockbox though is skipping in songs w/ high bitrates |
06:09:29 | saratoga | buy a new battery |
06:09:32 | saratoga | it makes a big difference |
06:09:35 | secleinteer | how much are they? |
06:09:39 | saratoga | batteries lose capacity pretty fast |
06:09:41 | midkay | make sure EQ and Crossfeed aren't on.. |
06:09:45 | secleinteer | i dont think they are |
06:09:49 | midkay | use a WPS with fewer images and certainly don't use peak meters.. |
06:09:50 | saratoga | my 3g battery was 10 USD shipped |
06:09:51 | secleinteer | but my songs are 320 kbps mp3's |
06:09:59 | midkay | that could be a problem. |
06:10:03 | midkay | *shrugs* |
06:10:04 | secleinteer | lol yeah |
06:10:06 | midkay | it's not uncommon. |
06:10:09 | secleinteer | songs that are like 192 are just fine |
06:10:43 | secleinteer | is there any way for me to lower the bitrate on the fly instead of having to reencode everything? |
06:10:48 | midkay | ah. |
06:10:52 | midkay | no. |
06:11:10 | saratoga | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-REPLACEMENT-BATTERY-400mAh-FOR-APPLE-iPOD-NANO_W0QQitemZ300011717832QQihZ020QQcategoryZ118261QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
06:11:20 | saratoga | 9 dollars shipped to the US |
06:11:22 | secleinteer | lol that's for a nano, saratoga |
06:11:30 | secleinteer | i need a photo |
06:11:32 | saratoga | didn't he say nano? |
06:11:33 | saratoga | oh |
06:11:39 | secleinteer | he thought it was nano :D |
06:11:39 | saratoga | well whatever, i doubt its a lot different |
06:11:43 | secleinteer | prolly not |
06:12:17 | secleinteer | midkay: what's a WPS? |
06:12:44 | midkay | secleinteer: "while playing screen". |
06:12:50 | midkay | it tells rockbox what to show when you're playing music. |
06:12:55 | secleinteer | lol i use the default |
06:12:58 | secleinteer | barebones as hell :D |
06:13:05 | saratoga | http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-kit-3-7v-900mAh-for-iPod-4G-Photo-40-A115_W0QQitemZ280011991643QQihZ018QQcategoryZ118261QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
06:13:10 | saratoga | 11 dolalrs |
06:13:11 | midkay | get rid of it. it has peak meters. that's a problem. I think it does, unless it was changed. |
06:13:18 | saratoga | plus its larger then the stock battery |
06:13:37 | secleinteer | saratoga: i'll look into that |
06:13:41 | secleinteer | but i might wait a little longer |
06:13:49 | saratoga | i recommend it |
06:13:52 | secleinteer | midkay: what WPS should i use instead? |
06:13:54 | saratoga | made a huge difference on my 3 g |
06:14:00 | secleinteer | k |
06:14:05 | secleinteer | does it last longer? |
06:14:56 | secleinteer | is there any way to turn off peak meters in the default theme? |
06:15:19 | midkay | secleinteer: edit it and remove "%pm". |
06:15:29 | midkay | peak meters are a HUGE skipping factor. |
06:16:29 | secleinteer | ok...which file? |
06:16:50 | midkay | hmm.. |
06:16:58 | midkay | try rockbox_default.wps.. |
06:17:05 | midkay | not sure if it's empty or has stuff in it. |
06:17:13 | midkay | look inside, in /.rockbox/wps/rockbox_default.pw |
06:17:15 | midkay | wps* |
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06:17:55 | secleinteer | L:\.rockbox\wps\rockbox_default.wps says the following: |
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06:19:09 | secleinteer | hold on |
06:19:15 | secleinteer | had a little prob w/ mIRC |
06:19:20 | secleinteer | # Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config. |
06:19:20 | midkay | ah. |
06:19:26 | secleinteer | # Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config. |
06:19:27 | midkay | yeah. hm. |
06:19:36 | secleinteer | damn still having probs with it |
06:19:42 | secleinteer | # Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config. |
06:19:43 | midkay | can you try another WPS maybe? |
06:19:44 | secleinteer | wtf? |
06:19:47 | midkay | i see it, i see it.. |
06:19:50 | secleinteer | # Do not edit this file. It's never actually loaded by Rockbox. |
06:19:53 | secleinteer | sorry |
06:20:00 | secleinteer | it kept pasting the same thing over and over |
06:20:02 | midkay | ah. :) |
06:20:32 | secleinteer | what's a good barebones theme? |
06:21:06 | midkay | check the wiki's WpsIriverH300 page. |
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06:22:41 | secleinteer | umm, what's the domain name of the wiki? :D |
06:23:18 | midkay | wait. |
06:23:35 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 |
06:33:22 | secleinteer | Mad Big Sausage? |
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06:34:01 | secleinteer | midkay: which one should i get? |
06:34:24 | Terinjokes | well, i've decided to keep using iPL until i get to a windows box...thanks for you help |
06:36:07 | midkay | any you like.. |
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06:48:18 | saratoga | trying again before bed: anyone here setup profiling support in Rockbox before? |
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07:02:48 | secleinteer | midkay: will color cause a slowdown as well? |
07:04:33 | midkay | color? |
07:04:45 | midkay | there isn't any non-color mode.. |
07:04:55 | midkay | black is a color, white is a color, gray is a color, red is a color, blue is a color, etc. :) |
07:05:13 | midkay | all just different intensities of RGB, so no, it's all the same.. |
07:05:36 | midkay | if the color comes from images it can slow down a little bit but a few or even several images are fine.. |
07:06:08 | secleinteer | ok thx |
07:06:15 | midkay | sure. |
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07:16:46 | secleinteer | back |
07:16:50 | secleinteer | it seems to be working |
07:16:52 | secleinteer | i used unicatcher, which i already have installed |
07:16:55 | secleinteer | it looks nice, but no skipping |
07:16:59 | secleinteer | now i have another question |
07:17:04 | secleinteer | i have to use unifont for unicatcher |
07:17:04 | midkay | right, peak meters are the problem. |
07:17:10 | secleinteer | it's really big |
07:17:26 | secleinteer | so i'm having problems when browsing artists/albums |
07:17:31 | secleinteer | i couldn't get the id3 mode thing to work |
07:17:34 | secleinteer | how do i do it? |
07:17:44 | midkay | right. WPS' are designed around a font so you can't really switch. you just have to choose a WPS/theme that looks nice and has a good font from the start.. |
07:17:51 | midkay | Did you build the database first? |
07:17:58 | secleinteer | the tagcache thing? |
07:18:20 | midkay | yeah.. |
07:18:55 | secleinteer | i did an "intialize now".. is that it? |
07:20:22 | secleinteer | ..? |
07:20:47 | secleinteer | or do i need foobar and do that thing? |
07:20:49 | midkay | yeah, i think so. |
07:20:51 | midkay | no. |
07:20:55 | secleinteer | ok |
07:20:55 | midkay | initialize should be good.. |
07:20:59 | secleinteer | what next? |
07:21:07 | midkay | when it's done aka no more disk accessing and no icon in the upper right of the status bar.. |
07:21:25 | midkay | restart the iPod, and then hold MENU to get in the quick screen, and press down a few times to get to ID3 Database view mode. |
07:22:10 | secleinteer | think i got it :D |
07:22:38 | secleinteer | nope :( |
07:22:59 | secleinteer | it said something about tagcache, though, when i restarted |
07:24:25 | secleinteer | know what's going on? |
07:36:05 | secleinteer | i think i got it |
07:36:32 | secleinteer | if push anything after "initialize now", it will make the little icon disappear |
07:36:41 | secleinteer | so i'm just gonna wait |
07:39:15 | secleinteer | nope, still didnt work |
07:42:54 | midkay | you probably ought to not interrupt it.. |
07:43:12 | secleinteer | i've got almost nothing on my ipod |
07:43:18 | secleinteer | it shouldn't take that long |
07:43:21 | midkay | try "update". |
07:43:31 | secleinteer | unless it's looking at the files in my apple os? |
07:44:14 | midkay | it looks at all the files, i don |
07:44:21 | midkay | don't know what you mean by "the files in your apple os". |
07:44:49 | secleinteer | the songs in /Ipod_control/Music |
07:45:06 | midkay | yes, it looks at everything. |
07:45:11 | midkay | why? is that a problem? |
07:45:16 | secleinteer | yes |
07:45:20 | secleinteer | i have like 8 gigs of songs in there |
07:45:26 | secleinteer | will it be able to play those songs like normal then? |
07:45:28 | midkay | they will be scanned without exception. |
07:45:34 | midkay | it still shouldn't take very long, maybe a few minutes. |
07:45:41 | secleinteer | because if it can play those songs, i don't need to reload anything |
07:45:45 | midkay | yes, any song will be indexed and any indexed song will be playable. |
07:46:03 | secleinteer | do i have to do the menu + down thing every time i start rockbox? |
07:46:11 | midkay | menu+down? |
07:46:25 | secleinteer | <midkay> restart the iPod, and then hold MENU to get in the quick screen, and press down a few times to get to ID3 Database view mode. |
07:46:47 | midkay | no, it will save your view mode as well as every Rockbox setting as soon as you shut down. |
07:46:53 | secleinteer | k |
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07:47:30 | midkay | i'd clean up any duplicates, delete all the tagcache index files in /.rockbox (stuff like 00001.tcd etc) and just re-intialize and let it entirely finish. |
07:47:42 | secleinteer | k |
07:47:44 | midkay | tagnavi.config should stay though. |
07:47:56 | midkay | all the other .tcd or .tgd or whatever files can go. |
07:48:02 | secleinteer | and then do it once? |
07:48:18 | midkay | initialize, wait for it to finish, shut down (the "safe" way, hold PLAY) and turn back on. |
07:48:21 | midkay | should work. |
07:48:36 | secleinteer | when do i delete the files? |
07:48:40 | secleinteer | b4 all this? |
07:48:46 | midkay | any time before the initialization. |
07:48:49 | secleinteer | ok |
07:49:47 | secleinteer | seems i only have one file in .rockbox that's a tcd or tgd |
07:49:59 | midkay | alright, delete it.. |
07:50:07 | midkay | anything else that you don't recognize? |
07:50:18 | midkay | might be some like tagcache.temp or other.. |
07:50:24 | secleinteer | glpyhcache? |
07:50:29 | secleinteer | playlist_control |
07:50:29 | midkay | that can stay.. |
07:50:32 | secleinteer | ok |
07:50:33 | midkay | that as well.. |
07:50:41 | midkay | sounds fine, just start back up and re-initialize. |
07:50:47 | secleinteer | and i can delete the songs i loaded manually through windows explorer? |
07:50:52 | midkay | make sure the disk has spun down before you reboot. |
07:50:55 | midkay | yes, do that before you initialize. |
07:51:05 | midkay | if you have those already in the iPod_Control folder. |
07:51:20 | secleinteer | no i put them in /Music |
07:51:36 | midkay | i mean it already exists in the iPod_Control/Music directories? |
07:51:59 | secleinteer | yeah, i put duplicates to play in rockbox that i already have in apple os |
07:52:21 | secleinteer | sorry, i was a little confused :D |
07:54:28 | secleinteer | ok when the icon in the upper right corner is gone, it's definitely done? |
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07:54:56 | midkay | yeah. |
07:55:57 | secleinteer | now i do the menu + down thing? |
07:56:04 | midkay | reboot first. |
07:56:07 | midkay | if you haven't. |
07:56:13 | secleinteer | i turned it off |
07:56:17 | secleinteer | it's off right now |
07:56:30 | secleinteer | i finished init'ing and turned it off |
07:56:33 | midkay | alright, turn it on. you do the menu+down thing when it's fully loaded, and not just menu+down.. |
07:56:40 | midkay | you start it up, when rockbox loads, you hold menu. a screen pops up. |
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07:56:54 | midkay | you can then release menu. then you press down a few times until it says ID3 Database at the bottom. |
07:56:57 | midkay | then press menu again. |
07:56:59 | secleinteer | ok after rockbox loads |
07:57:03 | midkay | it's not like a key combo. |
07:57:09 | midkay | it's opening a menu and changing a setting. |
07:58:32 | secleinteer | i got a popup saying 1/13, 2/13, then it disappeared |
07:58:44 | midkay | alright.. |
07:58:46 | secleinteer | after getting to 13/13 |
07:58:47 | Bger | morning |
07:58:49 | midkay | that's good. |
07:58:52 | secleinteer | next? |
07:59:00 | midkay | now just open the quick menu and down a few times.. |
07:59:04 | midkay | morning, Bg3r. |
07:59:06 | midkay | :) |
07:59:13 | secleinteer | quick menu? |
07:59:18 | midkay | hold menu. |
07:59:31 | Bger | ;) |
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08:00:37 | secleinteer | YES |
08:00:39 | secleinteer | IT WORKED |
08:00:42 | Bger | JdGordon: any news apart of the ondios' keymap ? |
08:01:12 | secleinteer | instead of seeing the / dir, I see a choice of artists, albums, etc. |
08:01:41 | secleinteer | THANK YOU SO MUCH |
08:02:16 | secleinteer | i guess i'll keep using ephpod to transfer songs to my ipod, that way i can access it from either os |
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08:03:26 | midkay | hooray. :) |
08:03:42 | midkay | secleinteer: no problem, glad it's working... yeah.. whenever you copy music just remember to do a tagcache update. |
08:04:09 | secleinteer | i turned on autoupdate |
08:04:14 | secleinteer | that should do it, right? |
08:04:19 | midkay | there's an option for that? |
08:04:24 | midkay | *hasn't updated in forever, but hasn |
08:04:29 | secleinteer | yeah |
08:04:31 | midkay | hasn't seen such a change on the recent changes list* |
08:04:39 | midkay | well, as long as it's there, cool, sure. that ought to do it. :) |
08:05:08 | secleinteer | it does the "update now" thing automatically on each startup, from what it says at the wiki |
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08:05:25 | Neekeetos | hi guys! |
08:06:48 | secleinteer | hey :D |
08:06:51 | Neekeetos | Have anybody tried to port rockbox to Sigmatel ? |
08:07:25 | secleinteer | idk, check the site |
08:07:27 | secleinteer | www.rockbox.org |
08:07:36 | Neekeetos | hm |
08:07:50 | Neekeetos | there's no sigmatel port |
08:08:05 | Neekeetos | dats why i'm asking here |
08:08:33 | Neekeetos | i have player based on sigmatel |
08:08:35 | secleinteer | well then i guess there isn't one |
08:08:45 | secleinteer | sorry :( |
08:08:52 | Neekeetos | and i wrote firmware |
08:09:04 | Neekeetos | i have gnu C compiler |
08:09:17 | secleinteer | wth? |
08:09:20 | secleinteer | you have firmware? |
08:09:23 | Neekeetos | for dsp56k which is equal to sigmatel chip |
08:09:52 | secleinteer | pm a chanop and talk to them about this, i guess |
08:10:03 | secleinteer | midkay: how do i switch between id3v1 and id3v2? |
08:10:14 | Neekeetos | i've already done DAC, LCD initialisation |
08:10:22 | midkay | secleinteer: you can set "id3 priority" in i think the playback menu. |
08:10:45 | Neekeetos | see http://home.tula.net/nickit/foto.htm |
08:10:46 | secleinteer | do i have to re intialize after that? |
08:11:01 | Neekeetos | top image is player with my fw |
08:11:02 | midkay | secleinteer: no. |
08:11:31 | secleinteer | Neekeetos: what do you seek here, if you already have working firmware? |
08:12:18 | Neekeetos | i want to port rockbox |
08:12:32 | Neekeetos | but there is some problems |
08:12:41 | secleinteer | talk to chanop, i guess |
08:12:49 | Neekeetos | besides my fw is not exactly mp3 player yet |
08:13:11 | secleinteer | midkay: i changed an album name in the id3 tag after transferring it to my ipod using ephpod |
08:13:19 | secleinteer | it worked just fine |
08:13:29 | secleinteer | however, in rockbox, it still shows the old id3 tag |
08:13:42 | midkay | secleinteer: ah, update tagcache... |
08:14:06 | secleinteer | this album has been on my ipod for a long time, i don't know why it's doing this |
08:14:18 | secleinteer | Neekeetos: you want help from rockbox dev's? pm them |
08:14:29 | midkay | Neekeetos: i'd suggest coming back when the devs are around.. |
08:14:40 | Neekeetos | hm, ok |
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08:15:51 | Bger | Neekeetos: u need help with the low-level stuff, i suppose ? |
08:16:00 | Neekeetos | not exactly |
08:16:15 | Neekeetos | you see problem is in organisation of fw |
08:16:42 | Neekeetos | rockbox just no fit to 200k of sigmatel chip |
08:17:02 | secleinteer | midkay: no luck |
08:17:12 | Neekeetos | does not fit i mean |
08:18:29 | Neekeetos | with low level stuff - only thing left is USB |
08:18:59 | Neekeetos | other hw is usable now (for my particular player) |
08:20:11 | midkay | secleinteer: hmm. |
08:20:15 | secleinteer | midkay: found the problem |
08:20:15 | midkay | did you safely remove it? |
08:20:17 | midkay | what was it? |
08:20:25 | secleinteer | ephpod never really changes the id3 tag |
08:20:34 | secleinteer | it just mods the apple os db |
08:20:35 | midkay | ah, like winamp or windows media player. right. |
08:20:45 | midkay | nods |
08:20:52 | secleinteer | well WA mods it right, from what i know |
08:20:56 | secleinteer | but WMP doesn't |
08:21:07 | secleinteer | so i need to re transfer songs |
08:21:22 | secleinteer | make a copy of them, change id3 tag, and transfer |
08:21:59 | midkay | i don't believe winamp does. |
08:22:08 | secleinteer | i use it, and i'm sure it does |
08:22:13 | midkay | hm. |
08:22:14 | secleinteer | i'm about to use it to change the tags :D |
08:22:15 | midkay | *shrugs* |
08:22:17 | midkay | hasn't for me. |
08:22:17 | midkay | haha. |
08:22:20 | midkay | tell me how it goes. |
08:22:24 | secleinteer | are you on 5.24? |
08:22:45 | Bger | Neekeetos: u've already tried to compile rb for it ? |
08:23:22 | Neekeetos | Bger: no, |
08:23:57 | secleinteer | midkay: now i KNOW it does |
08:24:05 | secleinteer | if you right click and choose view file info |
08:24:07 | Neekeetos | Bger: c compiler which i have, applies some restriction |
08:24:21 | secleinteer | the box that pops up has a title of "MPEG file info box + ID3 tag editor" |
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08:24:41 | secleinteer | it does v1 and v2 |
08:24:50 | Neekeetos | Bger: besides sigmatel system have completely different structure |
08:25:04 | Bger | dsp ? |
08:25:11 | Neekeetos | Bger: yes DSP |
08:25:19 | midkay | secleinteer: alright, well, let me know how it goes. |
08:25:31 | secleinteer | it just a pain in the ass, because you have to do it over and over for each song |
08:25:46 | Bger | Neekeetos: once there was a port of rockbox to a dsp ... CalmRisc16 |
08:25:55 | midkay | ah, when you right-click -> edit you get the "update file tag" option. |
08:26:01 | midkay | I guess I used to just edit it right in the librar.y |
08:26:04 | webguest23 | Hi - why isn't the Rockboy plugin available for Ondio? |
08:26:04 | midkay | library* |
08:26:20 | Neekeetos | Bger: CalmRisc is not DSP- just gp-risc cpu |
08:26:25 | midkay | webguest23: lack of buttons'd be one problem.. otherwise i'm not exactly sure. |
08:26:39 | Neekeetos | Bger: with mac engine |
08:26:43 | Bger | hm, ok |
08:26:48 | amiconn | Neekeetos: CalmRISC has a hardvard architecture like many (all?) dsps |
08:26:58 | amiconn | webguest23: Too few buttons |
08:26:59 | webguest23 | Rockboy's available for Recorder and FM Recorder - and Ondio is faster I think |
08:27:04 | Bger | morning, amiconn ;) |
08:27:10 | Neekeetos | amiconn: no there is no harward |
08:27:17 | secleinteer | midkay: well i'm sure there are better id3 editors, but WA's doing the job for now :D |
08:27:25 | webguest23 | can't you double up buttons for Ondio |
08:27:37 | webguest23 | like double-click = one key |
08:27:42 | webguest23 | and single click = another |
08:27:47 | amiconn | webguest23: No, due to the way rockboy uses the buttons |
08:28:18 | Neekeetos | amiconn: i know because i was somehow involved in porting rb to Telechip TCC730 |
08:28:37 | Neekeetos | amiconn: its calmrisc16 i guess %) |
08:28:45 | midkay | webguest23: that'd also be a problem if you wanted to e.g. jump twice in a row.. |
08:28:46 | amiconn | yes |
08:29:06 | webguest23 | but I think some games don't use both A and B |
08:29:10 | midkay | or if you wanted to shoot a paintball or whatever in mario without jumping (if jumping were single press and paintball were a second). |
08:29:14 | webguest23 | but I see where you're coming from |
08:29:52 | amiconn | Rockboy directly polls the buttons, without using the button queue. So none of the usual features apply (short/long, double click etc) |
08:29:52 | webguest23 | what about mapping the Ondio's down key to shoot fireballs |
08:30:02 | secleinteer | midkay: i'll just stick with VBA on a laptop running windows 95 for all my emulating needs :D |
08:30:06 | webguest23 | seeing in Mario the down key isn't use |
08:30:13 | amiconn | I was the one who ported rockboy to the archos... |
08:30:28 | Neekeetos | amiconn: :) |
08:30:35 | midkay | secleinteer: haha. |
08:30:38 | webguest23 | ok |
08:30:45 | midkay | webguest23: the down key *is* used in mario. sometimes, but it is. |
08:31:04 | secleinteer | yeah for going down pipes |
08:31:11 | midkay | right. |
08:31:22 | webguest23 | I don't think there's pipes in the first Mario Land game |
08:31:47 | secleinteer | midkay: STILL didnt work |
08:31:52 | webguest23 | either way - what about letting end-users configure the keymappings |
08:31:54 | midkay | you might manage to find a game or two that don't happen to use the A button or the B button or the down key but then you have to map the keys specifically for that game to replace e.g. down with "B".. it's just.. a hassle. |
08:32:08 | midkay | secleinteer: maybe winamp doesn't work as you think it does. :) |
08:32:37 | webguest23 | like add an option to let each user configure the keymappings in Rockboy |
08:32:40 | secleinteer | i checked the files in windows explorer and they're fine |
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08:32:47 | secleinteer | and in ephpod, they appear with the right name right away |
08:33:01 | amiconn | For rockboy a target needs at least 9 buttons - the 8 gameboy buttons, plus one to leave the emulation |
08:33:23 | webguest23 | what about like in the chip8 plugin - you can change the .txt file for key configurations |
08:33:28 | secleinteer | 8 game boy buttons? |
08:33:41 | webguest23 | start, select, a, b, up, down, left, right |
08:33:57 | secleinteer | wow, never realized there were so many |
08:34:00 | webguest23 | but some games don't use select or down or both A and B |
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08:34:09 | amiconn | Rockboy on archos is more like an experiment anyway. It's way too slow in its current state to be acually playable |
08:34:14 | secleinteer | most games use down, A and B |
08:34:20 | secleinteer | select is used a lot less |
08:34:29 | webguest23 | but the Ondio's processor is faster than the Recorder processors |
08:34:30 | webguest23 | slightly |
08:34:39 | amiconn | Yes, about 9% |
08:34:51 | amiconn | 12MHz instead of 11.0592MHz |
08:35:12 | aarond | someone came in here with a weird problem the other day and now I think I have the same thing, when I go to a directory it just shows a blank screen |
08:35:21 | secleinteer | how do they do it at iPL? |
08:35:26 | secleinteer | the game boy thing, i mean |
08:35:44 | webguest23 | well, if Rockboy on Ondio ever happens - I'd be grateful |
08:36:18 | amiconn | Even on targets with enough buttons (and speed) playability suffers from hardware limitation |
08:36:20 | amiconn | s |
08:37:13 | aarond | ds lite and nano combo works for me :) |
08:37:52 | amiconn | The button hardware on the irivers doesn't allow certain button combos used in some games |
08:38:23 | secleinteer | midkay: so i updated tagcache, and nothing but that one album showed up |
08:38:35 | secleinteer | then i re initialized the whole thing, and now everything EXCEPT that shows up |
08:38:39 | Bger | amiconn: h300 is better in this thing ... |
08:38:56 | Bger | on, rec and mode can be read independently |
08:39:04 | amiconn | Bg3r: Yes, a bit. But the h300 also can't do diagonals |
08:39:10 | secleinteer | lol |
08:39:13 | midkay | secleinteer: um... weird... |
08:39:16 | secleinteer | yeah lol |
08:39:20 | secleinteer | i just restarted again |
08:39:33 | midkay | don't know what to say.. make sure you restart after updating/initting it of course.. |
08:39:37 | secleinteer | i do |
08:39:45 | midkay | AFK for a bit, be back in like 10 minutes. |
08:39:49 | secleinteer | k |
08:40:00 | amiconn | secleinteer: I dunno. When I tried IPL on my mini g2, it worked exactly one time, and not long enough to actually test anything |
08:40:17 | secleinteer | oh |
08:40:30 | secleinteer | did the site say anything about the keys? |
08:40:55 | amiconn | When I tried to reboot, it never came up again. Then I restored my ipod to factory state, and started adaping rockbox. |
08:41:05 | secleinteer | k lol |
08:41:13 | amiconn | Less than 10 hours after I got my mini, I was able to play music :) |
08:41:28 | amiconn | (in rockbox) |
08:41:35 | webguest23 | cool |
08:41:39 | secleinteer | lol you musta set a record for the longest time taken to get an ipod working :D |
08:42:55 | secleinteer | YES midkay i finally got it |
08:43:05 | secleinteer | i once again did the initialize thing |
08:43:11 | secleinteer | and then i restarted |
08:43:27 | secleinteer | and i got only the 1 album |
08:43:30 | secleinteer | so i restarted again |
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08:43:45 | secleinteer | and this time, i held down menu all the way through the 1/13 - 13/13 thing |
08:43:48 | secleinteer | now it works fine |
08:43:55 | secleinteer | all the songs show up, and the 1 album has it's right name |
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08:44:23 | secleinteer | amiconn: do you have apple os? |
08:44:28 | secleinteer | or just rockbox? |
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08:47:04 | amiconn | Only rockbox, I removed the apple firmware as I have no use for it |
08:47:10 | secleinteer | lol |
08:47:17 | secleinteer | i've found that you can have both |
08:47:31 | secleinteer | that way when some1 else is using your ipod, they're not like, wth is this? |
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08:48:07 | secleinteer | using tagcache, you can just load songs with the normal method (i use ephpod) and see them as usual |
08:48:29 | secleinteer | midkay: nvm i'm missing a few albums |
08:48:53 | secleinteer | and i just got them :D |
08:48:54 | amiconn | Of course I know, but I can't use the 'normal' way as I have no itunes installed, and won't install it for sure |
08:49:02 | secleinteer | use ephpod |
08:49:08 | amiconn | I got my ipod _for_ rockbox hacking, nothing else |
08:49:12 | secleinteer | lol |
08:49:33 | secleinteer | not for music? |
08:49:54 | amiconn | I have 6 other rockboxes to choose from... |
08:50:10 | secleinteer | you have 7 mp3 players? |
08:50:13 | amiconn | Sometimes I do use the ipod for music of course, but it's not the one I use most |
08:50:22 | amiconn | yes |
08:50:29 | secleinteer | jesus |
08:50:45 | secleinteer | all w/ rockbox? |
08:50:52 | amiconn | yes |
08:51:01 | amiconn | Look at my hostmask... |
08:52:02 | secleinteer | oh lol lmao |
08:52:12 | secleinteer | didn't know since you weren't an op |
08:52:16 | Galois | I use my ipod for music, and I never installed itunes |
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08:52:32 | amiconn | secleinteer: There are many rockbox devs of course. |
08:52:34 | secleinteer | Galois: most people who aren't idiots don't uses itunes :D |
08:52:44 | secleinteer | yeah |
08:52:56 | secleinteer | what surprises me the most is how stable the daily builds are |
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08:53:08 | amiconn | Regarding op status, on freenode there are usually not many ops in a channel (none most of the time) |
08:53:17 | secleinteer | oh |
08:53:19 | secleinteer | i see |
08:53:25 | amiconn | A number of people can op themselves when required |
08:53:59 | secleinteer | btw, do you know how to make the scroll speed faster with the touch wheel? |
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08:54:39 | secleinteer | in apple os, if you have a huge long list of songs, the longer you scroll, the the faster it moves through thes ongs |
08:54:40 | Mode | "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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08:55:15 | secleinteer | i see :D |
08:55:23 | secleinteer | it doesn't do that in rockbox, and it makes it very hard to scroll through a long list of songs |
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08:55:58 | amiconn | Rockbox should increase scroll speed as well (on other targets it does), but I don't know whether this actually works on ipod (yet) |
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08:56:35 | amiconn | I don't have very long lists to scroll on my mini (4GB isn't that much), and I don't like the wheel anyway |
08:56:54 | secleinteer | lol you don't like the wheel |
08:56:58 | secleinteer | that's why every1 buys them :D |
08:57:05 | secleinteer | also, are you planning on modding id3 mode so that the "the"s at the beginning of artist names are ignored? |
08:57:20 | amiconn | I don't think so |
08:57:55 | amiconn | Iirc there's a patch for this in the tracker, |
08:58:10 | amiconn | but implementing this would be too english centric imho |
08:58:41 | secleinteer | english centric? |
08:58:53 | secleinteer | don't you have a language choice? |
08:59:06 | secleinteer | that would disable the feature if it's in any language but english |
08:59:07 | amiconn | With the same reason we could suppress "der"/"die"/"das" for german track names |
08:59:15 | secleinteer | yeah, you could |
08:59:19 | secleinteer | is it really that hard? |
08:59:23 | amiconn | And how should rockbox know which language a trackname belongs to? |
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09:00:01 | secleinteer | not a trackname |
09:00:05 | secleinteer | artists |
09:00:15 | amiconn | same thing |
09:01:27 | * | ^jhMikeS^ is thinking about that... |
09:01:47 | secleinteer | ok now i'm having more problems lol |
09:01:50 | midkay | secleinteer: got it all working? |
09:01:56 | secleinteer | no one other prob |
09:02:05 | secleinteer | when i try to play a song, say #10 in an album |
09:02:11 | secleinteer | i push select, right? |
09:02:15 | secleinteer | and it plays #1 |
09:02:26 | secleinteer | but it doesn't even play it, i don't think |
09:02:36 | secleinteer | it just opens the WPS screen |
09:02:43 | secleinteer | and pauses it there, at teh beginning of the song |
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09:03:07 | secleinteer | nvm |
09:03:12 | secleinteer | restarted and the pausing thing is gone |
09:03:15 | secleinteer | but the other thing isn't |
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09:03:37 | secleinteer | this is ridiculous |
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09:04:27 | secleinteer | midkay: any ideas? |
09:04:57 | midkay | what other thing? |
09:05:03 | midkay | dunno why all these problems keep popping up.. |
09:05:06 | secleinteer | the not playing #10 |
09:05:16 | secleinteer | it's playing #1 instead |
09:05:17 | midkay | is "play selected first" on? |
09:05:20 | midkay | or shuffle? |
09:05:25 | secleinteer | oh crap |
09:05:28 | midkay | shuffle would do that i think. |
09:05:32 | secleinteer | maybe the "play selected first" is on |
09:05:37 | secleinteer | shuffle is definitely off |
09:05:48 | midkay | hmm.. |
09:05:49 | secleinteer | no |
09:05:59 | secleinteer | it's off |
09:06:03 | midkay | you sure? double check shuffle.. |
09:06:05 | secleinteer | i have to turn it on |
09:06:12 | midkay | yes, turn it on.. |
09:06:13 | secleinteer | "play selected first" |
09:06:15 | aarond | seeing anything in folders is off on mine |
09:06:17 | midkay | right. |
09:06:28 | aarond | maybe an update will fix it? |
09:06:51 | secleinteer | yes |
09:06:53 | secleinteer | it worked |
09:07:02 | aarond | it was fine all day, then my friend pics it up and when you go in a directory it goes blank |
09:07:16 | midkay | aarond: check "show files".. |
09:07:23 | midkay | maybe it's on playlists only or something. |
09:07:46 | aarond | I think I might have done something when I was trying to power down |
09:07:58 | aarond | I noticed something came up on the screen like it was doing something |
09:08:14 | midkay | check "show files". that's more than very likely the problem. |
09:08:23 | midkay | if you held menu you could have changed that. |
09:08:31 | midkay | if you held menu then held play to try to shut it off.. |
09:09:31 | aarond | thank |
09:09:32 | aarond | s |
09:09:57 | aarond | I was just holding play but ok |
09:10:09 | aarond | I might have hit the select and play |
09:10:11 | secleinteer | well anyway, thx a lot midkay |
09:10:16 | secleinteer | i g2g now |
09:10:18 | secleinteer | ttyl |
09:10:21 | aarond | otterbox makes controls tricky sometimes |
09:10:38 | aarond | I thought it was something like that and was about to look through options |
09:10:47 | midkay | seeya secleinteer. |
09:11:03 | midkay | aarond: i'm quite confident that it's show files.. |
09:11:12 | aarond | yeah it was |
09:12:08 | aarond | I wish I had time to mess with rockbox more, but Im also too lazy |
09:12:24 | aarond | Id like to make my own interface, you call that the wps? |
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09:12:52 | aarond | I like how making a playlist in root found my apple firmware music |
09:13:00 | aarond | it never used to do that |
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09:13:07 | midkay | aarond: yes, the WPS is the "most customizable".. |
09:13:20 | midkay | although you can technically edit menu strings and change global fonts/backdrops, WPS is entirely user-designed. |
09:13:22 | aarond | but I like one of the recently added ones |
09:13:41 | midkay | aarond: with "show files: all" it will do that, since it shows the iPod_Control directory that way. |
09:13:55 | midkay | with "Music" or "Supported" it wouldn't show iPod_Control and thus wouldn't add stuff from it to a playlist. |
09:13:57 | aarond | icatcher |
09:14:29 | aarond | it did add them though and I didnt know about that |
09:15:08 | midkay | nods |
09:15:09 | aarond | I just made a root playlist so I could put everything on random and stuff from the apple side started playing right away |
09:15:27 | aarond | kinda handy |
09:15:45 | midkay | yep. |
09:17:57 | aarond | one thing I know I should look up, but how do you get back to the now playing screen sometimes when you are in menus and it wont come back unless you play something else |
09:18:00 | aarond | is that a bug? |
09:19:11 | midkay | "won't come back unless you paly something else"? |
09:19:14 | midkay | play* |
09:19:20 | midkay | not sure what you mean. |
09:20:56 | aarond | sometimes Im in a menu or main directory and I cant get back to now playing by pressing menu |
09:21:04 | aarond | unless I select another song |
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09:21:17 | aarond | is there something I dont know or is that a bug? |
09:21:55 | midkay | oh.. |
09:22:00 | midkay | in directories it works differently.. |
09:22:10 | midkay | you hit "play" to reach the while playing screen. |
09:22:16 | midkay | "menu" will open the main menu. |
09:22:22 | midkay | in the WPS, press "select" to go to the file browser. |
09:22:30 | midkay | and play brings you back. |
09:24:59 | aarond | think I knew that back when I used to update every week, I took a break for a while and just switched back |
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09:25:26 | midkay | :) |
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09:26:43 | aarond | and Im wondering why I stopped |
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09:27:55 | midkay | haha. |
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09:48:56 | JdGordon | Bger: na mate, and i dont tinhk ill convert anymore of the screens, they get complicated :D |
09:49:19 | Bger | :P |
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09:51:59 | JdGordon | Bger: your up early for a sunday morning arnt you? (crazy person!) |
09:52:39 | Bger | haha |
09:52:49 | Bger | cisco academy calls me :D |
09:53:23 | midkay | everybody ctcp time Bg3r so we can find out exactly how early!! |
09:53:35 | midkay | you crazy person! |
09:53:37 | Bger | [10:53:34] <midkay> everybody ctcp time Bg3r so we can find out exactly how early!! |
09:53:51 | midkay | hai. |
09:53:52 | sharpe | or he could just copy and paste a message. |
09:54:06 | midkay | no, the point was to bombard Bg3r with ctcp times. |
09:54:41 | sharpe | yeah... so...? |
09:54:50 | JdGordon | hehe, i doubt u could DOS him with ctcp calls :p |
09:54:56 | midkay | haha. |
09:55:03 | midkay | let alone if nobody else is doing it which they aren't. |
09:55:04 | midkay | :) |
09:55:57 | * | JdGordon goes hunting for anyone with an ondia |
09:56:17 | Bger | and, having in mind that Bg3r is on different connection than Bger ... |
09:56:19 | Bger | :D |
09:56:47 | scorche | i am so lost with all of the bagders... |
09:56:50 | * | JdGordon also is on the lookout for someone with the player and x5 |
09:57:11 | JdGordon | only 1 badger here tho... |
09:57:29 | JdGordon | and he is away (and has been for like 2 weeks :p ) |
09:57:37 | scorche | JdGordon: one thing i didnt check...did you make it so that on, when pressed, resumes the last playlist? |
09:57:43 | midkay | wake up scorche. |
09:57:58 | scorche | stop... |
09:58:02 | JdGordon | scorche: which target?> |
09:58:12 | scorche | recorder |
09:58:25 | Bger | scorche: u must be happy that i don't use my real nickname - Bager ... :D |
09:58:37 | JdGordon | dionoea did that buttons, ill check tho |
09:58:47 | scorche | i dont know...i just see 3 of you in here and wonder which is which... |
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10:00:22 | JdGordon | scorche: ye, should do |
10:00:36 | sharpe | scorche seems confused... he's using ellipsis... |
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10:00:47 | scorche | i always do... |
10:01:19 | JdGordon | their dots... not bloody elipses....!!!! |
10:01:51 | midkay | they'RE *ellipses*/ |
10:01:52 | midkay | :D |
10:02:20 | JdGordon | DOTS! |
10:02:30 | midkay | dot-dot-dots. |
10:02:32 | sharpe | periods. |
10:02:33 | midkay | can we agree on that? |
10:02:40 | midkay | dot dot dots everybody. we've reached a consensus. |
10:03:18 | JdGordon | let the minutes show we have agreed to call them dots! |
10:03:27 | JdGordon | next point on the agenda |
10:03:30 | midkay | haha. |
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10:23:06 | JdGordon | anyone work on the manual here? i just spotted a typo |
10:23:45 | JdGordon | under "sound settings" chapter 2.4.2 "This is a shortchut" |
10:24:31 | * | midkay hands JdGordon a cookie. |
10:24:56 | JdGordon | mmmm.. cookie :D |
10:26:37 | JdGordon | player mappings done! |
10:26:48 | midkay | haha. |
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10:26:53 | * | JdGordon expects a dounut from midkay for that one! |
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10:28:03 | midkay | haha. |
10:28:15 | * | midkay hands JdGordon a horribly crusted, hairy donut. |
10:29:02 | JdGordon | mmm crusty hairy donut |
10:29:14 | midkay | haha. |
10:29:14 | sharpe | how would one come about that kind of donut? |
10:29:23 | midkay | it was in my pants for a few years! |
10:29:26 | JdGordon | is the gemini or iriver ifp7xx ports working? |
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10:29:54 | scorche | midkay: then where did the hair come from? |
10:30:17 | scorche | JdGordon: the gemini is stalkled...not sure about the other one |
10:30:20 | midkay | haha. |
10:30:28 | midkay | where did "stalkled" come from? |
10:30:29 | midkay | retard. |
10:30:35 | scorche | stalled... |
10:30:40 | midkay | sure, sure. |
10:30:47 | sharpe | stalked is still a cool word though. |
10:30:55 | scorche | i doubt the other is |
10:30:56 | midkay | stalkled is even cooler. |
10:31:02 | JdGordon | ok, so in that case.. 1 more target to map and we are good to go |
10:31:16 | scorche | and you still havent answered my question midkay |
10:31:21 | * | JdGordon was too lazy to do remote mappings |
10:31:40 | midkay | scorche: random fuzz accumulated in the pants. |
10:31:46 | scorche | ah |
10:31:56 | scorche | i like to call that "lint".....not hair |
10:32:06 | midkay | maybe some hair on my head ended up in there. |
10:32:11 | midkay | it *has* been a few years. |
10:32:13 | scorche | maybe... |
10:32:40 | midkay | darned straight. |
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10:34:04 | sharpe | i'm reading support forums for a game. |
10:34:35 | midkay | a game? |
10:34:44 | sharpe | yes. |
10:35:26 | midkay | .. okay. |
10:35:56 | sharpe | boredom. |
10:36:18 | JdGordon | who knows what the usual cancel button on the x5 is? i.e the equi of off on h300? |
10:36:32 | midkay | power, i suppose. |
10:36:56 | sharpe | you can't just, "suppose." |
10:38:00 | * | JdGordon gives midkay permission to just "suppose" |
10:38:04 | JdGordon | now he can :D |
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10:38:50 | midkay | haha. |
10:38:55 | sharpe | okay... |
10:39:06 | midkay | shut it, shar. |
10:39:06 | midkay | :D |
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10:40:28 | JdGordon | well.. the x5 manual is useless... "please add correct keys" |
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10:44:37 | sharpe | maybe it's telling you something. |
10:47:51 | JdGordon | i dont have an x5, so bit difficult to corect them |
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10:53:32 | _per_ | hey, if i want to update rockbox (with the newest daily build), what do i need to replace? |
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10:54:47 | sharpe | _per_: just extract a new build to your player... |
10:54:55 | _per_ | ok |
10:55:01 | _per_ | thx |
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10:55:06 | sharpe | welcome. |
10:57:15 | sharpe | well, i've done my good deed for the day. |
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11:00:13 | midkay | HAHAHA. |
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11:04:19 | sharpe | i feel sick. |
11:07:10 | midkay | why? |
11:07:50 | sharpe | i don't know. i just do. |
11:09:09 | midkay | it was the good deed. |
11:09:51 | sharpe | ah, maybe. |
11:09:59 | sharpe | ahah. going to the "Read This!" option in the registered doom one menu, still causes the plugin to exit. |
11:11:24 | midkay | haha. |
11:11:50 | sharpe | giving me the feeling we do not want people to read it. |
11:13:37 | midkay | haha. |
11:14:00 | sharpe | i guess i'm funny at five thirteen in the morning. |
11:15:05 | _apo_ | http://www.dustrunners.com/dl/Pig_and_the_Box.pdf :D |
11:15:36 | _apo_ | The archenemy of Captain Copyright :P |
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11:19:27 | sharpe | i still can't figure out how i'm going to layout the memory for the kernel... hah... |
11:20:27 | midkay | HAA AHAHAHAAAA. |
11:20:38 | sharpe | ... |
11:24:17 | midkay | you said "hah" indicating your statement was hilarious. |
11:24:26 | midkay | i just followed up with the assumed-appropriate response. |
11:25:36 | sharpe | alright... |
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12:21:49 | obo | Could any devs look at a patch for me please? |
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12:28:53 | JdGordon | hey LinusN, good news :) |
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12:29:02 | JdGordon | almost ready to commit |
12:29:03 | LinusN | ? |
12:29:05 | LinusN | nice |
12:29:27 | LinusN | i'm really eager to give it a try |
12:29:35 | JdGordon | all the working targets have mappings |
12:29:57 | JdGordon | some keys may have been changed, but its pretty close.. im trying th eondio mapping in the sim now, it needs work |
12:29:59 | LinusN | regarding the target tree, i have a few concerns |
12:30:11 | JdGordon | but ipod/x5/iriver/recoder all are fine (i tihnk) |
12:30:12 | JdGordon | ? |
12:30:48 | LinusN | the apps/ tree was not intended to have target specific code |
12:31:16 | LinusN | but the button<->action mapping is kind of a special case |
12:31:55 | LinusN | the firmware/ and apps/ split is a really old legacy from the really early days of rockbox |
12:32:01 | JdGordon | for the ondio, is it ok if up/down change settings and left/right is used for cancel/accept? and maybe have the mode button for next setting (i dont know if there is any screens for that target with more than 1 setting on the screen)? |
12:32:48 | LinusN | i don't know much about the ondio, i don't have one |
12:33:27 | JdGordon | eve tho it is a special case, shouldnt all target specific code go in the tree? even if its not really used by the firmware? |
12:34:15 | LinusN | JdGordon: the split goes the other way around too, the firmware/ directory can't have application specific code |
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12:34:39 | LinusN | and the contexts are really app specific |
12:35:06 | JdGordon | ok, well your call, so if you prefer it under apps im fine |
12:35:31 | LinusN | i think i do that for now at least |
12:36:40 | JdGordon | ok |
12:38:25 | JdGordon | i dont like the ondio mapping, but im not going to be able to get it any better only playing in the sim :( |
12:39:04 | LinusN | amiconn should be able to answer questions about the ondio |
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12:40:50 | JdGordon | k |
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12:42:57 | JdGordon | so what level do you want it to be at before commiting? i think its ready to go now asside from some button mappings might need to be changed |
12:43:21 | LinusN | i think we are ready, i'll try it out first |
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12:44:18 | JdGordon | about to upload a new ver onto wiki, unless u just want a link? |
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12:44:30 | LinusN | please update the wiki |
12:44:39 | JdGordon | i tinhk it needs a forum post and possibly a mailing list post before commiting tho |
12:45:00 | LinusN | because? |
12:45:53 | JdGordon | some keys may have been configured wrongly |
12:45:58 | JdGordon | and some just plain changed |
12:46:13 | JdGordon | also, no remotes except iriver |
12:46:27 | LinusN | sure |
12:46:29 | JdGordon | wiki updated |
12:46:33 | LinusN | gr8 |
12:47:05 | JdGordon | sure = do the post? |
12:48:07 | LinusN | sure, go ahead and post |
12:48:16 | LinusN | i'll check it out in the mean time |
12:48:17 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Has anyone tested on an ipod? |
12:49:30 | JdGordon | linuxstb: febs did on friday and it didnt work at all :D but i have tested in the sim and its fixed, but if you can test it, it would be great |
12:49:55 | JdGordon | which version? ill link you save patching your source |
12:53:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon: OK, I'll have a quick go now. |
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12:54:30 | JdGordon | you want me to compile it for you? |
12:54:54 | linuxstb | It's OK - I've just downloaded your patch. |
12:55:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: i miss action.c and all the keymaps |
12:56:01 | JdGordon | ah crap, i thought i added them all :'( |
12:56:02 | JdGordon | 1 min |
12:56:18 | LinusN | wait a sec |
12:56:35 | LinusN | keymaps are there |
12:56:39 | LinusN | i only miss action.c |
12:57:11 | JdGordon | http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/action.c |
12:57:15 | LinusN | btw, do you really have to include "../action.h"? |
12:57:24 | LinusN | isn't "action.h" anough? |
12:57:30 | LinusN | enough |
12:57:37 | JdGordon | i dont know? i didnt try it |
12:57:46 | JdGordon | it doesnt really make a difference does it? |
12:57:52 | LinusN | it might |
12:58:15 | JdGordon | oh, this breaks sudoku, so ill start the plugin lib verison |
12:58:41 | JdGordon | any thoughts how we want to handle the plugins? |
12:58:48 | LinusN | not really |
12:59:01 | LinusN | i believe the std map should work fine for most of them |
12:59:29 | LinusN | except for the "hard core" ones, like rockboy, doom, pacbox etc |
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13:00:57 | linuxstb | Where does action.c go? Just in apps/ ? |
13:01:01 | JdGordon | ye |
13:01:17 | linuxstb | OK |
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13:02:19 | JdGordon | ../ can be removed from the actions.h incluide line. just tested it |
13:03:13 | LinusN | left/right don't work very well in the wps |
13:03:16 | LinusN | (x5) |
13:06:47 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It doesn't even compile for the ipods... |
13:07:08 | JdGordon | damn, and really?? hmm |
13:07:10 | linuxstb | keymap-ipod.c contains lots of references to non-existent buttons like UP, DOWN, ON, OFF... |
13:07:42 | linuxstb | I'll try and fix. |
13:07:51 | JdGordon | im not sure how that happens, probably last night while i was fiddling while drunk :p |
13:08:21 | linuxstb | What's ACTION_STD_LONGMENU for? |
13:08:24 | JdGordon | LinusN: how does it not work well? not responsive enough? or? |
13:08:32 | JdGordon | linuxstb: delete that line, it was removed |
13:08:41 | LinusN | many button presses are lost |
13:08:42 | JdGordon | i thought i got rid of them from all the keymap files |
13:08:49 | linuxstb | It's just commented out. |
13:09:06 | linuxstb | How do I access the quick menu? |
13:09:35 | linuxstb | I mean, what ACTION? |
13:09:35 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, oops, that was definatly my idiocy in drunken state |
13:09:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: actions_wps_quickmenu |
13:10:02 | linuxstb | What about from the file browser? |
13:10:22 | Neekeetos | Guys, who developed the main rockbox structure? I mean not source but idea how it could be? |
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13:11:59 | JdGordon | linuxstb: longmenu :p |
13:12:10 | JdGordon | actually.. hang on |
13:12:56 | JdGordon | linuxstb: nothing atm, its ifdef'ed out |
13:13:32 | * | JdGordon apologises, put longmenu back in |
13:13:42 | JdGordon | { ACTION_STD_LONGMENU, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_MENU }, |
13:13:59 | LinusN | Neekeetos: please explain what you mean |
13:14:09 | linuxstb | Why "longmenu" in the file browser, and "quickscreen" in the WPS? |
13:14:31 | JdGordon | i dunno :p, which sounds better? |
13:14:42 | Neekeetos | LinusN: I mean that in actual rockbox fw we have several interfaces for example |
13:15:00 | Neekeetos | LinusN: can call it api |
13:15:01 | linuxstb | JdGordon: IMO it should be "quickscreen" - as that's the purpose of the action. |
13:15:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i guess i did longmenu to keep it more generic, but quickscreen oes sound better, untill its actually used for sometihng else |
13:15:34 | Neekeetos | linuxstb: and also fw is divided to layers and blocks |
13:15:37 | JdGordon | ok, ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN it is |
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13:16:21 | Neekeetos | LinusN: who is the person/person which developed this? |
13:16:30 | Neekeetos | persons |
13:16:36 | LinusN | well, I and Björn Stenberg started the project |
13:16:45 | Neekeetos | hm |
13:17:02 | Neekeetos | than maybe you can help me in my case |
13:17:05 | Neekeetos | ? |
13:17:36 | Febs | The Rockbox credits have about 200 names. |
13:18:17 | dionoea | hello |
13:18:19 | Neekeetos | Febs: nobody except creators know exactly how it could look like in whole |
13:18:29 | JdGordon | LinusN: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-x5.c is the fixed version |
13:18:50 | Neekeetos | Febs: i mean you can contribute to this project without full knowledge on how it works |
13:18:54 | linuxstb | Neekeetos: That doesn't make sense... Anyone that can read the whole code can understand it. |
13:19:09 | Febs | You can also create a project and 3 years later have no idea of what it has become. |
13:19:15 | Febs | If you have a question, just ask it. |
13:19:40 | linuxstb | Neekeetos: I would guess that no single person is familiar with every corner of Rockbox. |
13:19:48 | LinusN | not even i |
13:20:44 | Neekeetos | :) |
13:20:53 | Neekeetos | ok here is my question again |
13:20:56 | Neekeetos | ^ |
13:20:57 | Neekeetos | : |
13:21:39 | Neekeetos | Avery one knows that some players are Sigmatel based |
13:22:03 | Neekeetos | i believe it's good idea to port the rockbox to that hw |
13:22:33 | LinusN | Neekeetos: i'm sure it is a good idea |
13:22:46 | Neekeetos | and i,ve already done some work on it |
13:22:54 | LinusN | now we're talking |
13:23:10 | Neekeetos | i have working toolchain for Sigmatel |
13:23:25 | linuxstb | Which Sigmatel are you working with? |
13:23:34 | Neekeetos | 3502 |
13:24:36 | Neekeetos | and i wrote fw which works with almost any hw on my player( exception only USB) |
13:25:15 | linuxstb | JdGordon: In fact, looking at keymap-ipod.c, almost every mapping is wrong :) I think you must have copied the wrong target... |
13:25:33 | Neekeetos | that means - hw is ready for porting rockbox on it |
13:25:38 | Neekeetos | but |
13:25:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: oh ok, sorry |
13:25:56 | JdGordon | ill fix it up |
13:26:15 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
13:26:48 | Neekeetos | rockbox fw structure does not allow to port it directly to Sigmatel platform |
13:27:20 | linuxstb | What are the issues? |
13:27:31 | Neekeetos | because sigmatel chips have limited ammount of RAM and special usage of it |
13:27:37 | LinusN | keymaps/keymap-x5.c:43: error: `ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN' undeclared here |
13:28:20 | linuxstb | Neekeetos: How is the RAM organised? And how much do you have? |
13:28:24 | Neekeetos | harward architecture imply 3 separate memory fields |
13:28:37 | Neekeetos | different for program code |
13:28:50 | Neekeetos | and two spaces for data |
13:29:06 | JdGordon | LinusN: add it somewhere in action.h or dw about it and ill fix everything up and try again |
13:29:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do you mean the button names are all wrong? or the mappings are wrong? |
13:29:23 | Neekeetos | maximum ammount of memory for every mem - 64KWords |
13:29:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon: A little of both |
13:29:44 | JdGordon | ok |
13:30:11 | Neekeetos | chip itself have 96 KWords of memory |
13:30:25 | JdGordon | I dont want this to feel like me passing the buck, but I can fix the button names, the actual mappings is difficult |
13:30:32 | JdGordon | (i dont have an ipod) |
13:30:36 | Neekeetos | which can be allocated in different manner between X,Y and P spaces |
13:31:39 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm not refusing the buck, but I have to go now. If you don't fix it, I can try and look at it later. |
13:31:51 | JdGordon | ok, ill see how i go |
13:31:56 | Neekeetos | as you can see it is not possible to fit 600kb rockbox kernel directly to chip |
13:32:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: we don't expect you to have all the mappings correct |
13:32:48 | Neekeetos | so guys , what is your ideas? |
13:32:50 | LinusN | Neekeetos: 600kb??? |
13:32:52 | JdGordon | :) im annoyed that i tinhk its all ready and then it doesnt even compile :'( good thing i have nothing better to do today :) |
13:33:09 | Neekeetos | its listed on rockbox site |
13:33:21 | LinusN | where? |
13:33:32 | Neekeetos | hm , somewhere |
13:33:46 | Neekeetos | is it differ in reality? |
13:33:51 | Mikachu | my reockbox.ipod is 400kB |
13:34:00 | Neekeetos | hm |
13:34:04 | JdGordon | 370k on h300 |
13:34:07 | Neekeetos | ok |
13:34:12 | JdGordon | 340 sorry |
13:34:32 | dionoea | 147k on archos recoreder |
13:34:41 | dionoea | i wonder why it's half size |
13:35:10 | dionoea | -e |
13:35:26 | LinusN | dionoea: a lot less bitmaps and shit |
13:35:37 | LinusN | and no software codecs |
13:35:42 | Neekeetos | it's still very big for Sigmatel :( |
13:35:47 | dionoea | most bitmaps are in the plugins no ? |
13:35:55 | LinusN | dionoea: yes |
13:36:19 | Mikachu | i'm not counting the codecs here |
13:36:33 | LinusN | Neekeetos: i guess we would have to find out some kind of overlay scheme |
13:36:43 | Neekeetos | yes, exactly |
13:37:13 | LinusN | and i think plugins would be pretty hard to handle, no? |
13:37:14 | Neekeetos | dats why i was searchin for creators - we need to change the kernel |
13:37:52 | Neekeetos | what about plugins? |
13:38:07 | LinusN | they are dynamically loaded into ram |
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13:38:47 | Neekeetos | there will be no problem with dynamic loading - it's the main concept of work for sigmatel |
13:38:54 | Neekeetos | overlays |
13:39:33 | LinusN | ok, so you have a 64k code segment, which can be changed with a segment pointer of some kind? |
13:39:45 | Neekeetos | no |
13:40:02 | Neekeetos | address space only 16 bit for each RAM |
13:41:12 | LinusN | how much ROM is there on your player? |
13:41:56 | JdGordon | ok, i tinhk the ipod keys are fixed (it seems fine in the sim) |
13:42:06 | Neekeetos | Sigmatel chip itself have zero ammount of user defined rom - nand flash is used for fw |
13:42:36 | dionoea | JdGordon: did you update the patch on the wiki ? |
13:42:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: i can't ff/rew with the current keymap, it switches track first |
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13:43:24 | JdGordon | LinusN: with the one from my webspace? |
13:43:29 | LinusN | yes |
13:43:33 | JdGordon | dionoea: yes, but its no worky |
13:43:47 | sharpe | that reminds me. i must find some webhosting, somewhere... |
13:43:50 | JdGordon | hmm.. thats what i thought would happen, which is why i fiddled... i think we have a problem |
13:43:58 | midkay | sharpe: let me know what you find. :) |
13:44:12 | dionoea | oh ... i was about to do a recorder build to test. Where should i get the latest patch ? |
13:44:37 | sharpe | midkay: well, i do remember one... actually, had very cheap hosting... you paid for what you used... |
13:45:04 | midkay | hm. |
13:45:08 | dionoea | can't you get free webhosting ? |
13:45:26 | sharpe | ah... i don't really want to :\ |
13:46:09 | sharpe | and notmany free hosts provide php and mysql access... |
13:46:38 | dionoea | french ISP provider free.fr provides 1GB webspace with php and mysql for free |
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13:47:57 | sharpe | well, if only i could read french. |
13:48:24 | JdGordon | LinusN: before, you said it was eating keypresses? which? |
13:48:33 | LinusN | left/right |
13:48:49 | JdGordon | did long left/right work? |
13:49:00 | LinusN | yes, after a loooong wait |
13:49:15 | JdGordon | hmm.. odd |
13:49:21 | LinusN | yes |
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13:50:25 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think it might have to do with the timeout |
13:50:36 | dionoea | does the latest patch from http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/ work ? |
13:50:39 | JdGordon | dionoea: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff can you see if ffwd/rwd and skip next/back work in the wps please? |
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13:50:54 | JdGordon | LinusN: the timeout in the wps? |
13:51:09 | LinusN | the handling of last_button and timeouts in action.c |
13:51:42 | LinusN | last_button is set to BUTTON_NONE when button_get_w_tmo times out |
13:52:17 | sharpe | midkay: i found it again. |
13:52:19 | LinusN | then maybe the pre_button code test fails |
13:52:53 | midkay | sharpe: .. yay..! |
13:52:55 | dionoea | hum ... doesn't build with patch |
13:53:00 | sharpe | midkay: yep. |
13:53:08 | LinusN | the old button code with the _PRE stuff ignored timeouts |
13:53:14 | JdGordon | its either there or gwps.c, it waits HZ/5 for presses, |
13:53:51 | LinusN | so on screens with _w_tmo calls, the pre_button_code test fails if it timeouts |
13:53:53 | JdGordon | can you change that and see if it works? i cant copy to target atm and wps in sim isnt very useful |
13:54:15 | LinusN | you haven't tested on your own player? |
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13:55:03 | JdGordon | not since friday :D |
13:55:07 | LinusN | ouch |
13:55:17 | LinusN | let me see what i can do |
13:55:53 | JdGordon | i killed my hdd on friday and im working off knoppix and remote X knoppix doesnt have ssh so its difficult.. but i can if you cant atm |
13:56:06 | dionoea | JdGordon: is rockbox supposed to build fine with the patch applied ? or do i need to change stuff before it does ? |
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13:56:40 | LinusN | JdGordon: what's the purpose of last_i? |
13:56:51 | JdGordon | dionoea: it should build fine, apart from sudoku.c |
13:57:04 | dionoea | well i get this: |
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13:57:05 | dionoea | AR+RANLIB /mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/librockbox.a |
13:57:05 | dionoea | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/action.o', needed by `/mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/rockbox.elf'. Stop. |
13:57:29 | JdGordon | last_i is supposed to speed up the list checking, but im not sure if it actually works, which is why int i=*start is commented out in the do_button_check fuinction |
13:57:56 | LinusN | i see |
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13:58:45 | JdGordon | the idea being it jumps to that position because its 99% for sure going to return the same value... |
13:58:52 | LinusN | ignore_until_release must check the SYS_ bit first |
13:59:01 | LinusN | ah, no |
13:59:05 | LinusN | silly me |
13:59:26 | JdGordon | ye, SYS_ is checked before that |
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14:00:02 | LinusN | i'm not entirely sure that last_button should be updated when button == BUTTON_NONE (i.e timeout) |
14:00:39 | JdGordon | comment it out and test? |
14:00:44 | LinusN | will do |
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14:01:06 | JdGordon | dionoea: i just did a ipod target build, rockbox.elf compiled fine |
14:01:15 | JdGordon | do make clean && make |
14:01:30 | dionoea | i did rm -rf ipod; mkdir ipod and configure again |
14:01:44 | JdGordon | wow, wierd.. |
14:01:45 | dionoea | i'll try a simulator build |
14:02:01 | JdGordon | did you apply the patch to cvs or to already patched source? |
14:02:53 | dionoea | to clean cvs |
14:03:12 | JdGordon | hmm.. odd |
14:03:48 | dionoea | hum, in fact i had it configured for a recorder build :/ |
14:04:28 | JdGordon | LinusN: it doesnt make sense that that is the problem, because how can it timeout between button press and button_repeat? or is that an underlying problem? |
14:04:39 | dionoea | well it still doesn't work as a real ipod build |
14:05:00 | dionoea | sim doesn't work as well |
14:05:37 | JdGordon | your path looks odd.. are you sure you have the paths correct? /rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/rockbox.elf shouldnt rockbox.elf be one level up? |
14:05:58 | JdGordon | no, my bad |
14:06:45 | LinusN | JdGordon: it can easily timeout, since get_action is called with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK |
14:07:32 | JdGordon | not in the wps code... or are you talking about the whole ui? |
14:08:03 | dionoea | JdGordon: hum ... i don't have action.C |
14:08:14 | dionoea | it's not in the patch i guess |
14:08:28 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell... didnt it add it again ? :'( |
14:08:52 | dionoea | well i can download it from your webserver if it's the good version |
14:08:54 | JdGordon | i even made sure i had -uN in the cmd |
14:09:20 | JdGordon | yup, its hte latest |
14:12:41 | LinusN | JdGordon: gwps.c, line 164 |
14:13:16 | JdGordon | AH! |
14:14:47 | JdGordon | ok, i just copied it onto my h300, i can go next/prev track and vol+- works (being held down and click), but holding l/r doesnt work |
14:15:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: do you have a peak meter? |
14:15:42 | JdGordon | apart from the actual button, vol+- and long l/r are the same in the list.. and no |
14:17:44 | LinusN | i'm thinking about masking _REL from the pre_button_code check |
14:17:47 | JdGordon | actually.. ignore that last thing, i think it didnt do rolo and i was on old code |
14:17:50 | LinusN | sorry, _REPEAT |
14:18:31 | dionoea | hum ... the recorder keymap doesn't work well ... i can't go back to a higher directory |
14:19:47 | JdGordon | im confused now, rolo reset my settings (expected) so now i have a peak meter.. holding right works, but u have to release and quick press right again for it to start playign again |
14:20:16 | JdGordon | and no other buttons work! |
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14:22:57 | JdGordon | / last_button = button; didnt change anything |
14:24:11 | stripwax | On the ipod 5g, does the USB hardware also handle the usb protocol or is that all implemented in the ipod software? (or do we not yet know) |
14:24:17 | LinusN | well, it changed things, but not necessarily for the better |
14:24:26 | sharpe | stripwax! |
14:24:32 | LinusN | JdGordon: i have a tip: |
14:24:47 | stripwax | hey |
14:24:53 | LinusN | use logf to record the keystrokes on target |
14:25:23 | JdGordon | ye, i tinhk im going to have to.. |
14:25:28 | LinusN | then set up test bench in the sim where you play back the exact sequence as if it came from the button driver |
14:25:38 | LinusN | and use gdb to debug it |
14:26:04 | JdGordon | btw, you were right about the pm, the tree and menu buttons dont work if the wps has it |
14:27:45 | JdGordon | LinusN: i tihnk gwps.c 164 should be turned back to button_get() |
14:28:20 | JdGordon | it will still eat the button tho |
14:28:39 | LinusN | wps is not the only place with timeouts |
14:29:26 | JdGordon | no, but i dont tihnk that is a problem elsewhere |
14:29:29 | LinusN | any place where timeout < keyrepeat rate will have issues with last_button |
14:30:26 | LinusN | that's why you have BUTTON_NONE as the pre_button_code for repeated buttons in the keymaps |
14:30:42 | LinusN | where it really shouldn't be |
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14:31:31 | LinusN | you can't have BUTTON_NONE before BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT |
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14:31:47 | LinusN | because you must get a BUTTON_LEFT before it |
14:32:00 | LinusN | but it works for you because you get a timeout in between |
14:32:24 | LinusN | and then it sets last_button to BUTTON_NONE |
14:32:44 | JdGordon | ok |
14:32:57 | LinusN | this is why i think you must ignore timeouts in the button check |
14:33:12 | LinusN | this will get us in another mess though |
14:33:33 | LinusN | because with this scheme, we would need two entries for repeated keys |
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14:33:48 | LinusN | BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT |
14:33:57 | LinusN | BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT |
14:34:07 | LinusN | unless we ignore REPEAT |
14:34:07 | dionoea | is WPS_KEYLOCK gone ? |
14:35:00 | JdGordon | dionoea: for the time being, i wasnt sure how it should be handled |
14:35:07 | dionoea | ok |
14:36:02 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, well commenitng out last_button = NULL; killed all buttons. |
14:36:30 | dionoea | and the AB setmarkers buttons ? |
14:36:41 | LinusN | last_button = NULL? |
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14:36:59 | JdGordon | when it timeouts |
14:37:19 | LinusN | you must mean last_button_list = NULL |
14:37:22 | JdGordon | im trying to tihnk of a way to save us hassle and allow button_none as the prereq |
14:37:36 | Febs | ipod users: are the top and bottom panels of the mini, 4g, and color the same as the video? Top panel: hold on the left, headphone jack on the right. Bottom panel: dock connector. |
14:37:39 | JdGordon | sorry, last_button = button |
14:37:47 | LinusN | JdGordon: but what good is the prereq then? |
14:38:03 | LinusN | you mean BUTTON_NONE == ignore? |
14:38:11 | JdGordon | im sure there is a way it would work, no |
14:38:22 | JdGordon | something fancy with bitmasks |
14:38:52 | LinusN | my idea is to ignore timeouts, and mask _REPEAT in the prereq check |
14:40:30 | JdGordon | prereq = items[i].pre_button_code&(~BUTTON_REPEAT); ? |
14:40:41 | LinusN | yes |
14:40:56 | LinusN | but the other way around |
14:41:17 | JdGordon | ? |
14:41:23 | LinusN | you remove BUTTON_REPEAT from the button code before comparing with prereq |
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14:42:05 | JdGordon | remove from last_button? or this button? |
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14:42:27 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: I don't have an iPod but I think they are all the same... btw, here's a pic of 3g: http://www.apple.com/r/store/gallery/ipod3/images/6.jpg |
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14:44:52 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: iPod Nano has also an AC input at bottom right: http://www.avenue-d.com/welcome/ipod/img/agent18nano_top_02.jpg |
14:45:23 | Febs | I'm not concerned about the nano. I'm writing the descriptions of the players for the blind for the manual, and the nano part is already done. |
14:45:29 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, i tihnk i have no idea what your thinging, im just makgin the buttons worse :p |
14:45:36 | dionoea | JdGordon: i updated the recorder keymap a bit: http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/keymap-recorder.c |
14:45:43 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'll have a stab at it |
14:45:49 | JdGordon | ta |
14:45:53 | JdGordon | and ta |
14:46:13 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: The Mini is different actually: http://www.whiningdog.net/Reviews/Apple/iPod/20040621-VajaiVod/pics/top1.jpg |
14:47:22 | Febs | Thanks. What is that to the left of the headphone jack? Some sort of remote control connector? |
14:47:59 | Genre9mp3 | Most probably...not sure though |
14:49:07 | Genre9mp3 | Here's a pic of 4g: http://www.boxwave.com/images_bw/products/thumbnails/as_ipod4g_top_lg.jpg |
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14:53:01 | Febs | Genre9mp3, thanks, those pictures were very helpful. |
14:54:12 | linuxstb | Febs: All ipods apart from (I think) the 5g and Nano have a remote connector next to the headphone jack - this is for accessories that plug into both the headphone jack and remote connector at the same time - a bit similar to the H1x0's remote connector IIRC. |
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15:08:58 | LinusN | JdGordon: ok, i think i got it working |
15:09:13 | JdGordon | great :) |
15:09:32 | LinusN | this is what i did |
15:09:50 | LinusN | 1) don't set last_button on timeout |
15:11:03 | LinusN | 2) include _REPEAT in the prereq's, unfortunately meaning that we have 2 entries for repeated keys, one with and one without _REPEAT in the prereq |
15:11:28 | LinusN | 3) invent a new action, ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK |
15:11:49 | LinusN | otherwise it doesn't leave the seek state when i release the button |
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15:12:25 | JdGordon | @) can be go t around by doing last_button = button&(~BUTTON_REPEAT); cant it? |
15:12:30 | JdGordon | 2) even |
15:12:35 | LinusN | re 2), it might be possible to ignore _REPEAT in the prereq if the button code has REPEAT, as a special case in the button check code |
15:13:15 | LinusN | JdGordon: no, that didn't work, because then it will confuse the repeated keys with the ordinary ones in other cases |
15:13:28 | JdGordon | ok |
15:15:00 | LinusN | here's an excerpt from my keymap: |
15:15:09 | LinusN | { ACTION_STD_NEXT, BUTTON_DOWN, BUTTON_NONE }, |
15:15:09 | LinusN | { ACTION_STD_NEXTREPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN }, |
15:15:09 | LinusN | { ACTION_STD_NEXTREPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT }, |
15:15:46 | JdGordon | ok |
15:16:09 | LinusN | and i also define STOPSEEK twice, like this: |
15:16:15 | LinusN | { ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT }, |
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15:16:21 | LinusN | { ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT }, |
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15:17:56 | JdGordon | ok cool, so it mostly works well now? |
15:18:03 | LinusN | seems so |
15:18:36 | LinusN | the keymaps must be updated for this change |
15:18:55 | LinusN | so the prereqs are correct |
15:19:15 | JdGordon | ye, do you tihnk its better to do the check for the special case and make the keymap file easier? or not check and more painful? |
15:19:18 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5666 similar to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 ??? |
15:19:29 | LinusN | but now the keymaps are very straightforward and logical, imho |
15:19:36 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe someone close one of the two? |
15:20:07 | LinusN | pick one :-) |
15:20:34 | JdGordon | so every item that has repeat needs two actions for it? |
15:21:13 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: i like the circular reference in the comment of #5575 :-) |
15:21:18 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
15:22:07 | JdGordon | so codewise, 2 &'s and a == or lots more in the array? i tihnk check (because im lazy, and it might make it a touch smaller?) |
15:22:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'll have a look |
15:22:46 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: hehe, yes...he probably wanted to comment this on 5666 |
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15:23:08 | LinusN | i think we should close the newest of the two |
15:23:34 | JdGordon | LinusN: we could almost get away with saying that if the button has repeat then there is no actual need to set a prereq because it must be the button without repeat? |
15:23:46 | JdGordon | even less work then :D |
15:24:54 | LinusN | it might work, but i suspect that there might be problems with button combinations |
15:25:30 | LinusN | we *could* perhaps introduce a BUTTON_ANY, for example 0xffffffff |
15:25:57 | JdGordon | thats the same as none almost tho |
15:26:27 | LinusN | but not exactly |
15:26:47 | LinusN | there are occasions where we need to separate BUTTON_NONE and BUTTON_ANY, for example STOPSEEK |
15:27:14 | LinusN | hmm, bad example i think, but anyway |
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15:27:53 | JdGordon | i see the difference, na i tihnk it might not be a good idea, |
15:28:06 | JdGordon | people might start actually checking for that button then |
15:28:37 | JdGordon | leave it as explicitly stating the prereq and check for the special case |
15:28:44 | LinusN | well, "people", that's us |
15:29:52 | LinusN | i kind of like when there are no special cases |
15:30:02 | JdGordon | yes, and people who come 6 months down the track and see button_any and fail to see why their button loop never exits :D |
15:30:17 | LinusN | "press any key to continue" :-) |
15:30:25 | JdGordon | adding the speciall case could half the array size on some targets |
15:30:26 | JdGordon | :D |
15:30:55 | LinusN | at the moment, i'm more worried about execution time than array size |
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15:31:42 | JdGordon | it would only need to check if the current button is &BUTTON_REPEAT no? so its only 1 if and a & |
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15:31:54 | JdGordon | i doubt you would notice a difference |
15:32:09 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: Yes... the newest one should be closed...someone with access should close it I guess |
15:33:35 | LinusN | done |
15:33:39 | * | S0ap finally has caught up on his IRC reading after being away for 5 days. Nice to see BigMac has chilled. |
15:34:24 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'm not sure i follow you |
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15:34:42 | Genre9mp3 | S0ap: You never know when he'll strike back! |
15:35:24 | LinusN | you mean to strip _REPEAT from last_button if (button & REPEAT)? |
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15:37:05 | JdGordon | ye |
15:37:10 | JdGordon | if (items[i].button_code == button) |
15:37:14 | JdGordon | { |
15:37:18 | JdGordon | if (button&BUTTON_REPEAT) |
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15:37:22 | JdGordon | { |
15:37:26 | JdGordon | if (items[i].pre_button_code == last_button&(~BUTTON_REPEAT)) |
15:37:30 | JdGordon | { |
15:37:33 | JdGordon | ret = items[i].action_code; |
15:37:34 | JdGordon | break; |
15:37:34 | JdGordon | } |
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15:37:35 | JdGordon | } |
15:37:35 | JdGordon | else if (exisiting code) |
15:37:50 | JdGordon | so the overhead is acceptable |
15:37:59 | LinusN | i was thinking about this: |
15:38:06 | LinusN | (before the loop) |
15:38:09 | LinusN | if(button & BUTTON_REPEAT) |
15:38:09 | LinusN | last_button &= ~BUTTON_REPEAT; |
15:38:34 | JdGordon | same thing in less code i guess :D |
15:40:35 | LinusN | worked fine |
15:40:43 | JdGordon | awesome |
15:40:58 | LinusN | i wonder if we lose something by doing that... |
15:41:06 | aliask | Good luck on getting this stuff out guys, and g'night |
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15:41:11 | LinusN | nite aliask |
15:41:44 | LinusN | i can't think of any weird combos that would need this |
15:41:51 | JdGordon | its not working here, so i must have broken something somewhre else |
15:42:06 | JdGordon | did you touch gwps.c? |
15:42:18 | JdGordon | sorry, forgot to rolo again |
15:42:21 | LinusN | gwps-common.c |
15:42:46 | LinusN | and action.[ch] |
15:43:10 | JdGordon | can you email or upload them somewhere please? |
15:43:15 | LinusN | sure |
15:43:25 | JdGordon | im getting some very funny behaviour :) |
15:43:35 | LinusN | i'm sure you do |
15:44:21 | JdGordon | the only buttons which are working now are hold left/right and they both ffwd :D |
15:46:12 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/action/ |
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15:48:29 | JdGordon | thanks |
15:50:55 | JdGordon | still doesnt work here, my keymap file must be stuffed |
15:52:42 | JdGordon | woops, forgot to add the stopseek |
15:53:49 | LinusN | it's nice that several combos can yield the same action |
15:54:07 | JdGordon | woohooo... you da maan D: |
15:54:10 | JdGordon | all good now |
15:54:14 | LinusN | cool |
15:54:27 | JdGordon | so what else can we realise is broken and spend 3 hours fixing? :'( |
15:54:31 | LinusN | jd here's what i'd like to do |
15:55:09 | LinusN | i want it to compile cleanly, i.e fix the plugin compilation errors |
15:55:59 | LinusN | which means putting back the MENU_xxx #defines, i guess |
15:56:29 | JdGordon | thats the easy way.. and anything else? |
15:57:02 | LinusN | well, basically we need to produce a patch that applies and compiles cleanly on all targets |
15:57:36 | LinusN | it would be nice if most keymaps were ok too |
15:58:02 | LinusN | what about the wps keylock on the archos? |
15:58:51 | JdGordon | i dont know.. also the F* handling needs thinking about |
15:58:58 | LinusN | really? |
15:59:17 | JdGordon | oh, the h300-sim build is broken because remote_type() is not in the sim |
15:59:32 | LinusN | ah, yes |
15:59:43 | JdGordon | well, do we just call them ACTION_STD_F* and call it quits? or give them a proper name? |
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16:00:06 | LinusN | good question |
16:00:38 | JdGordon | iriver keys should be correct and ready to go |
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16:01:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: you want to have the F-buttons in the std map? |
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16:02:22 | JdGordon | i dont know, can we give them a name? or are they really target specific? |
16:03:12 | LinusN | well, the archos has two quick menus, something i think no other target has |
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16:04:46 | JdGordon | well, if we give them meaningful names it might be possible to add them? |
16:05:41 | LinusN | yeah |
16:05:47 | bluebrother | Febs, you're in? |
16:05:51 | LinusN | i'll fix that |
16:07:25 | JdGordon | ok, all the keymaps should be correct |
16:07:51 | JdGordon | im doing a diff now |
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16:12:10 | LinusN | looks like you don't handle the quickmenu at all in tree.c |
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16:12:11 | * | JdGordon is pulling down a new cvs tree and testing the diff |
16:12:30 | JdGordon | i tihnk i added it since the last update |
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16:12:58 | JdGordon | hey Bger, u missed all the fun |
16:13:08 | JdGordon | LinusN: latest actions.diff is in my webspace |
16:13:13 | LinusN | ok |
16:13:24 | JdGordon | http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff |
16:13:51 | JdGordon | that doesnt affect menu.h so it should compile fine |
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16:15:54 | JdGordon | damn cvs server is slow atm |
16:17:34 | JdGordon | doh! didnt do cvs up before diffing, got a few fails in the patch :'( |
16:19:11 | JdGordon | and they are all because Bjorn's (c) message has a space at the end :p |
16:19:47 | JdGordon | or maybe its the unicode letter stuffing it up, or something |
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16:20:20 | LinusN | i see that your editor seems to remove trailing spaces automatically |
16:20:42 | JdGordon | no, i just checked, its not, it must be the o in his name? |
16:20:56 | JdGordon | + * Copyright (C) 2002 Bj�n Stenberg |
16:21:15 | JdGordon | the o looks wrong |
16:21:24 | LinusN | maybe your editor has issues with unicode |
16:22:01 | JdGordon | could be |
16:22:03 | LinusN | i want that ö to be a simple iso8896-1 ö |
16:22:46 | Febs | bluebrother, sorry, just saw your page. |
16:22:51 | Febs | What's up? |
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16:24:01 | JdGordon | h300 target builds fine, no warnings |
16:26:20 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think tree.c, line 847 needs a call to action_signalscreenchange() |
16:27:25 | JdGordon | yep, it does |
16:27:35 | LinusN | otherwise it resumes in a paused state |
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16:28:13 | JdGordon | and last_button can be removed there probably |
16:28:21 | LinusN | guess so |
16:28:31 | JdGordon | ondio build is broken |
16:28:34 | bluebrother | Febs, I just noticed you replaced the {} behind macros with \'s. Like \dap{} to \dap\ |
16:28:42 | JdGordon | undefined reference to `_quick_screen_quick |
16:29:28 | bluebrother | the brackets were intended −− the \ can produce unwanted spaces in the output, so I'm favoring the {} variant (as it is completely correct) |
16:30:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: ondio has no quick screen, to my knowledge |
16:31:06 | JdGordon | ye, it needs to be ifdefd out, or defined in the .h which would add that code to the ondio for nothing |
16:31:24 | JdGordon | by that code i mean the ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN case |
16:32:29 | LinusN | well it is handled by the presence of a button define in the current code |
16:32:51 | LinusN | it's not that simple now |
16:33:02 | Febs | bluebrother, OK, I'll change those back. I was trying to track down a mysterious compiler error so I was just trying different things to see what worked. |
16:33:17 | JdGordon | #ifdef HAVE_QUICKSCREEN |
16:33:30 | JdGordon | put that above the ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN case and all is fine |
16:33:44 | bluebrother | np, you can just leave them but there's no need to change them also ;-) |
16:33:56 | LinusN | the confusing part here is that there are two quickscreens on the recorder |
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16:34:02 | bluebrother | mysterious error? Sounds mysterious ;-) |
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16:34:12 | JdGordon | LinusN: rename them then :D |
16:34:28 | LinusN | :-) |
16:34:54 | _FireFly_ | WPS_QUICKSCREEN and QUICKSCREEN maybe ? |
16:35:09 | _FireFly_ | or the second FILETREE_QUICKSCREEN |
16:35:36 | Febs | Not surprisingly, the mysterious error turned out not to be a missing bracket ... not so mysterious after all. |
16:35:47 | Febs | out not to be/out to be |
16:35:54 | LinusN | to be or not to be |
16:36:11 | Febs | That is the question. |
16:36:16 | LinusN | :-) |
16:36:16 | _FireFly_ | that is the question ;) |
16:36:18 | JdGordon | _FireFly_: no, one quickscreen is the regular one and the other is shortcut to sound settings.. or sometihng.. isnt it? |
16:36:22 | _FireFly_ | oh too slow ;) |
16:36:36 | LinusN | lcd settings |
16:36:57 | LinusN | could be as easy as QUICKSCREEN2 |
16:36:58 | _FireFly_ | JdGordon: yeah but only accessibly when you are in wps i guess |
16:37:59 | _FireFly_ | hmm wait that screen can also be accessed when you are in the filetree because the two quickscreens has different key-defines |
16:39:11 | LinusN | i believe QUICKSCREEN2 would be fine |
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16:44:17 | Febs | Bluebrother, I've substantial progress today writing a "Working with Playlists" chapter for the manual. |
16:44:31 | bluebrother | great :) |
16:44:47 | Febs | I'll probably add the file to CVS later today, although I won't yet actually add it to the manual. |
16:44:57 | JdGordon | LinusN: completly changing the subject.. are you going to commit the dirwalker patch? |
16:45:16 | LinusN | oh, i had forgotten about that one |
16:45:21 | bluebrother | unfortunately I won't have much time for the next couple of times. Hopefully this changes in a week or so. |
16:45:45 | Febs | Real life has an annoying habit of getting in the way. |
16:46:02 | bluebrother | yeah. Especially in situations when you at least need it. |
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16:53:38 | tucoz | hi bluebrother, febs. Nice work on the manual :) |
16:54:06 | bluebrother | hi tucoz, nice to see you again :) |
16:54:23 | tucoz | bluebrother, I have started to change the \pagerefs to \ref. Do you think I should continiue to work on this? |
16:55:00 | bluebrother | absolutely. "See page xxx" looks kinda strange in the html manual ;-) |
16:55:01 | tucoz | Or should I write a macro that will handle references instead? |
16:55:35 | tucoz | yeah, the html manual is definitley in need of another reference system |
16:55:41 | bluebrother | but then you need to change the text with a macro ... I don't think this will work as expected. |
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16:55:56 | tucoz | probably. \ref will do |
16:56:01 | bluebrother | but I was always in favor of referencing to sections. |
16:56:06 | tucoz | me too |
16:56:20 | tucoz | and we can set the depth of the sections as well (iirc) |
16:56:40 | tucoz | although the standard depth is what I want |
16:56:49 | rasher | I'll quitely voice my preference for using "See $section (page xx)" in the pdf, and $section in html |
16:57:23 | bluebrother | rasher, why naming the page number when references are hyperlinked in the pdf anyway? |
16:57:38 | rasher | Well, if we're going to pretend someone will print the manual at some point |
16:57:51 | rasher | Referencing sections only would be a pain in that case |
16:58:17 | bluebrother | I don't think so. Most technical documentation references to sections only, and I'm quite used to it. |
16:58:31 | tucoz | rasher: while I agree that it is easier to find a page than a section, I wouldn't go as far as referring to a section as a pain |
16:59:15 | rasher | You have to first check the index, find the section, page number and THEN you can turn to the page |
16:59:22 | rasher | as opposed to say, having the page number right here |
16:59:28 | JdGordon | 1am.. bedtime, gnight all |
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16:59:54 | rasher | I don't see how that is not annoying, assuming a printed manual |
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17:00:12 | rasher | in the pdf, it could be labelled "See gooklygook" for all I care, as long as it's hyperlinked |
17:00:20 | bluebrother | when having it printed you can simply look for the chapter (which is mentioned in the page header) and quickly "browse" a few pages further to the mentioned section. |
17:01:17 | rasher | Ugh, all this guesswork and browsing, just to avoid putting the page number there. I don't really see the benefit |
17:01:30 | bluebrother | ok, we could redefine the \ref macro to produce something like "\ref{#1} (page \pageref{#1})" |
17:01:30 | stripwax | another vote for (page xx) in the pdf.. |
17:01:37 | tucoz | Imho, I think the in-text ref's should point to a section, and in the future use an index to find keywords. |
17:01:48 | tucoz | which point to a page where that keyword is mentioned |
17:02:10 | bluebrother | agreed on the index. |
17:03:00 | tucoz | One problem is that when referring to a page as opposed to a section, is that the wording is different in those two cases (see page 22, see 1.4.3) |
17:03:42 | rasher | I agree that only referencing the page is confusing |
17:04:19 | rasher | But "see $section (p. 123)" seems by far the most reader-friendly choice to me. |
17:04:36 | tucoz | I agree, but I do not agree that it is hard to find a section |
17:04:55 | bluebrother | hmm. This indeed could be easily solved with a macro. |
17:04:56 | tucoz | if finding a page is super-easy, then finding a section is easy. |
17:05:06 | bluebrother | but on finding a section I agree with tucoz. |
17:05:32 | rasher | I'm not saying it is rocket science, just that it's an annoyance |
17:05:43 | rasher | To me, anyway |
17:05:44 | LinusN | hmmm, did we reach a conclusion about what to call the joystick button on the h100 series, navi or select? |
17:05:57 | tucoz | I think I like select for the h100 |
17:06:04 | tucoz | and navi on the h300 |
17:06:06 | rasher | Same here |
17:06:15 | rasher | But then, calling them the same might be wise |
17:06:20 | bluebrother | I like select, but otoh the remote uses navi so I'm a bit indifferent. |
17:06:28 | LinusN | me too |
17:06:36 | tucoz | hmm, didn't know that |
17:06:48 | bluebrother | select sound more natural to me. |
17:06:51 | LinusN | the h100 manual calls it Navi |
17:06:55 | tucoz | really? |
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17:07:11 | LinusN | the "navi/menu button" |
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17:07:25 | tucoz | I've been away for too long :) |
17:07:39 | bluebrother | in the h1xx platform file it's definitely "select" |
17:07:56 | LinusN | that's a name i made up when first porting the h100 |
17:07:58 | rasher | I think he's talkking about the iriver Manual |
17:08:10 | tucoz | oh, that |
17:08:11 | LinusN | yes i am |
17:08:17 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
17:08:28 | tucoz | maybe we should follow that then |
17:08:34 | LinusN | i think so too |
17:08:40 | bluebrother | in that case using navi may be a bit more convenient for users that are switching. |
17:08:49 | rasher | I agree, now. |
17:08:52 | tucoz | :) |
17:08:58 | LinusN | so be it |
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17:09:11 | oll | hi! |
17:09:16 | tucoz | good that it is an easy change. We only need to change the platform file, and the front-image |
17:09:24 | bluebrother | btw, wasn't there a discussion on this in some tracker thread? |
17:09:25 | LinusN | was about to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5364 when i started thinking again |
17:09:29 | oll | I'm looking for plugin which play divx movies |
17:09:32 | oll | is there any? |
17:09:34 | rasher | oll: no |
17:09:35 | LinusN | oll: no |
17:09:56 | rasher | And it's unlikely that there'll be one in the near future |
17:09:58 | oll | so, only converting to mpg will help? |
17:10:02 | tucoz | no |
17:10:04 | bluebrother | oll, no |
17:10:15 | bluebrother | rockbox doesn't support video right now. |
17:10:18 | rasher | Rockbox does currently not play video on anything but Archos devices |
17:10:32 | oll | emmmmmm |
17:10:34 | tucoz | ..which is a custom video format (.rvf) |
17:10:45 | oll | bad |
17:10:54 | bluebrother | but you can still use the OF to play movies (if that supports video) |
17:11:08 | oll | how can I choose on loading which firmware to use? |
17:11:16 | oll | is there special bootfile for that? |
17:11:17 | bluebrother | depends on your player. |
17:11:30 | oll | i have ipod video |
17:11:44 | _FireFly_ | oll is it mostly a key combo you must hold when powering on the device |
17:11:56 | _FireFly_ | s/is it/it is |
17:12:02 | rasher | Strange that my h120 won't exit bootloader usb mode when I unplug, but regular USB mode detects unplugging just fine |
17:12:13 | oll | where I can have more info about that? |
17:12:21 | bluebrother | rasher, I recently had problems with usb mode too. |
17:12:22 | oll | what keys I have to hold? |
17:12:28 | rasher | oll: it's in the wiki somewhere |
17:12:30 | bluebrother | oll, see the wiki. IIRC it was select. |
17:12:43 | oll | ok |
17:12:50 | oll | thank you guys |
17:12:54 | oll | appreciate |
17:12:55 | bluebrother | on ipod you can also use the ipl bootloader to get a nice menu. |
17:13:05 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
17:13:25 | bluebrother | after usb disconnect playback doesn't work anymore (h120 too) |
17:13:38 | rasher | bluebrother: well, that's completely unlike my problems |
17:13:59 | rasher | So that's fun. |
17:14:17 | bluebrother | ok. But it's still annoying. And also usb-mode related |
17:14:32 | rasher | Also, is speaking directories/files competely broken? It is not working for me at all |
17:14:32 | oll | is there a future plans to make a rockbox with video support and some divx stuff? |
17:14:46 | bluebrother | oll, not in the near future. |
17:15:05 | rasher | oll: No plans. There's been sporadic work on xvid and mpeg1 afaik, but nothing too interesting |
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17:15:15 | bluebrother | but of course you can start writing a plugin to do so ;-) |
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17:16:40 | webguest72 | rasher, any further progress on the sudoku levels patch |
17:17:18 | rasher | webguest72: No, I did everything I could. It basically works, but there's a compile-warning that I do not know how to get rid of |
17:17:38 | bluebrother | rasher, you need to make a typecast. |
17:17:39 | webguest72 | it woould most probably even fix a bug where sudoku freezes after generating six mediums in a row to get to a hard |
17:17:52 | oll | bluebrother I'm going to think on that ;) |
17:18:22 | rasher | webguest72: I wouldn't count on that - my patch just generates until it hits the right difficulty |
17:18:46 | rasher | so if there's any bug related to repeated generation, this approach will more than likely hit it as well |
17:18:47 | webguest72 | ah it it does automatically what I would do manually ? |
17:18:50 | rasher | bluebrother: tell me more |
17:19:04 | rasher | webguest72: exactly, there's no way to be smarter with the current code |
17:19:09 | bluebrother | sudoku_generate(state, (char*) difficulties[result]); |
17:19:15 | rasher | It can only tell the difficulty after the fact |
17:19:43 | bluebrother | rasher, difficulties is static while sudoku_generate expects a char* |
17:20:01 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: static isn't a type afaik |
17:20:01 | webguest72 | yes i can get sudoku to freeze whilst repeatedly generating until i get to a hard |
17:20:04 | bluebrother | but your patch (tried it some days ago) locks up my player and the sim |
17:20:27 | rasher | bluebrother: are you sure it isn't just thinking like mad? |
17:20:37 | rasher | It can take a while |
17:20:52 | _FireFly_ | rasher: have you the warning message |
17:20:59 | bluebrother | _FireFly_, I'm referring to static char* vs. char* which is different (from the compliers view) and thus something to complain about |
17:21:18 | bluebrother | rasher, I had the sim running for some minutes before I cancelled it. |
17:21:41 | rasher | Strange, maybe some logfing would be in order |
17:21:42 | _FireFly_ | bluebrother: now it makes sense ;) |
17:21:43 | rasher | or DEBUGF |
17:23:44 | tucoz | bluebrother, rasher: I'll start working on something (wrt the refs) tonight. I'll let you know before I commit anything |
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17:25:10 | rasher | Is there any point in keeping databox around at this point? |
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17:30:55 | rasher | This is frustrating. I need to test my voice-clip generating script, but I cannot make voice work on my player |
17:31:01 | rasher | any tips? |
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17:31:33 | rasher | (I tried using the "official" talkbox winows script) |
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17:33:58 | rasher | Blimey, it's working. Now I'm left wondering what made it not work. |
17:35:28 | rasher | Now, for my next question: Where can I find information about how to build .voice files? As in, what is the structure of a voice file? |
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17:39:39 | rasher | Hrm, Rockbox only plays .talk clips for Music files and directories? Bug or feature? |
17:40:04 | rasher | Also, no voiced browsing during playback? |
17:41:03 | rasher | (This is on swcodec |
17:41:04 | rasher | ) |
17:42:07 | lex | omg i went accidentally to the playback settings on rockbox.. :) |
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17:42:16 | lex | now i'll use rockbox only |
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18:02:54 | Slasheri | ah, probably found the crash bug from the playback engine.. |
18:03:04 | rasher | _the_ crash bug? |
18:03:24 | Slasheri | yes, when one skips alot, buffers get desynced and finally player hard crashs |
18:04:04 | Slasheri | but of course there might be more similar bugs present also |
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18:04:33 | rasher | I was more thinking, is this an often-encountered one? |
18:06:19 | Moos | Hello guys ! |
18:06:43 | Slasheri | rasher: at least i encounter often more than once a day |
18:06:51 | Slasheri | +that |
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18:07:30 | rasher | Slasheri: do you know who I need to ask for info on voicefile structure? |
18:07:46 | rasher | or do I need to check the windows scripts |
18:08:54 | Slasheri | hmm, checking talk.c (or talk.h) should contain the structures and headers |
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18:12:47 | Moos | is there any X5 user around? |
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18:24:19 | rasher | Not again.. |
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18:24:41 | rasher | gotcha |
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18:26:50 | jhMikeS | Moos: Yup |
18:27:14 | jhMikeS | Oh..he quit oops |
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18:33:00 | GuyIncogn | halo |
18:33:26 | GuyIncogn | is there anybody ... out there |
18:34:18 | rasher | Some.. if you have a question, just ask it |
18:35:09 | GuyIncogn | just logged on first time, testing |
18:35:23 | GuyIncogn | anybody on here involved in the sansa e200 port ? |
18:35:51 | rasher | As far as I know, only Bagder, and I don't think he's around |
18:36:02 | GuyIncogn | k |
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18:42:55 | lex | is a sleep mode close to come for ipods? :o |
18:43:17 | linuxstb | No closer than about 3 days ago when you last asked... |
18:43:30 | GuyIncogn | lol |
18:43:35 | GuyIncogn | not even 3 days closer ? |
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18:44:49 | linuxstb | GuyIncogn: Considering that no-one is working on it... |
18:48:10 | rasher | Why is "voicefont.cpp" and "wavtrim.c" from VoiceBuilding not in cvs? |
18:48:44 | rasher | more importantly, why are they just attachments in the wiki with no license attached? |
18:50:33 | rasher | Also, USB mode seems broken for me after using recording |
18:50:36 | rasher | on h120 |
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18:51:21 | jhMikeS | Do all the ports have the problem that if you pause/stop playback in a song and then start a new one, the previous one continues playing for about a second? Or just x5? |
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18:52:26 | jhMikeS | Or any other ports at all for that matter |
18:52:28 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Are you saying it happens with both pause and stop? |
18:52:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I recall trying it but I can make super double sure |
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18:54:58 | jhMikeS | oh no, not stop that's fine. sry. why at all? |
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18:56:10 | linuxstb | So it's a problem if you pause, and then whilst paused, skip to another track? |
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18:56:36 | jhMikeS | Yes. |
18:56:45 | linuxstb | Sounds familiar... |
18:57:01 | jhMikeS | Peak meters and all start up |
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18:57:11 | jhMikeS | then the next song starts |
18:57:23 | webguest45 | re guys |
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18:58:06 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: happens a lot huh? |
18:58:30 | webguest45 | jhMikeS: is the remote suposed to work already on X5? |
18:59:35 | jhMikeS | webguest45: I tried it yesterday but it doesn't accept input yet. |
18:59:55 | jhMikeS | webguest45: maybe that changed overnight. dunno. |
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19:00:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I can't recreate it now on my ipod.. |
19:00:40 | webguest45 | yeah didn't work here too |
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19:00:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: hmmm...does it matter whether or not the track is the next or just browsing and skipping to some random one? It doesn't matter for me. |
19:01:51 | jhMikeS | webguest45: on what? |
19:02:44 | * | rasher pings [IDC]Dragon |
19:03:07 | dionoea | he's not on the chan |
19:03:18 | dionoea | so pinging him is kind of useless :) |
19:03:51 | rasher | There's always the hope that someone is reading the channel log |
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19:05:15 | jhMikeS | webguest45: You're not using an x5 right? |
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19:13:58 | jhMikeS | How many around here actually have x5s? Doesn't seem like alot. |
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19:20:43 | jhMikeS | 8^* |
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19:36:48 | dwihno | I'm a bit curious on which decoder is more efficient... ogg or mp3? |
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19:40:39 | jhMikeS | dwihno: mp3 |
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19:41:51 | jhMikeS | dwihno: ogg keeps the CPU boost ratio at about 75-80% where mp3 only about 20% |
19:42:25 | dwihno | aha |
19:42:38 | dwihno | Hm, on my ipod I get ~60-70% boost... |
19:42:52 | dwihno | so ogg might be glitchy then? |
19:42:52 | Galois | ipods are different |
19:43:08 | dwihno | same decoder |
19:43:16 | dwihno | perhaps more optimizations on the ipod... |
19:43:17 | jhMikeS | no...just heavier to decode |
19:43:26 | Galois | for ipods, the mp3 decoder is worse than it is on other devices |
19:43:32 | Galois | so it ends up being worse than ogg |
19:43:36 | rasher | LinusN: I just added my talk clip script to the tracker |
19:43:38 | dwihno | aah |
19:43:43 | LinusN | rasher: nice |
19:43:50 | rasher | voice file generation still pending |
19:43:51 | jhMikeS | I use OGG vorbis only when I need perfect gapless for that reason. |
19:43:51 | dwihno | Galois: so the ogg decoder is actually faster on the ipod? |
19:43:52 | dwihno | strange |
19:44:09 | Galois | and the ogg decoder is better than it is on other devices |
19:44:32 | dwihno | I can't see why. |
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19:45:01 | rasher | LinusN: do you know what the deal with voicefont.cpp and wavtrim.c from VoiceBuilding is? They have no license attached but credited to Jörg. Why are they not in cvs? |
19:45:11 | Galois | it's because the ogg decoder comes with ARM assembly optimizations, and ipod is the only ARM platform for rockbox |
19:45:23 | dwihno | aha |
19:45:34 | LinusN | rasher: simply because nobody has cared enough to put them in cvs |
19:45:50 | dwihno | I thought there were 68k optimizations for the ogg decoder... My mistake. |
19:46:37 | jhMikeS | LinusN: You moved the lcd framebuffer out of IRAM. Framerates took a big hit. |
19:46:45 | LinusN | yup |
19:46:59 | rasher | dwihno: afaik, there are |
19:47:22 | dwihno | rasher: ok |
19:47:44 | rasher | I think the iPod processor is just quit good, when fed proper code |
19:47:47 | rasher | quite |
19:47:59 | dwihno | jhMikeS: to encode gapless oggs, are extra parameters required for the encoder, similar to lame? |
19:48:08 | rasher | No. Ogg is inherently gapless |
19:48:09 | jhMikeS | dwihno: no |
19:48:16 | dwihno | ah |
19:49:36 | dwihno | any recommended options for the encoder, similar to −−alt-preset standard in lame? |
19:50:11 | jhMikeS | LinusN: how come? not enough room left for something else? |
19:50:21 | LinusN | jhMikeS: exactly |
19:50:29 | rasher | dwihno: Just pass it -qX where X is whatever produces a filesize/quality you like |
19:50:32 | jhMikeS | dwihno: I use Q=7. |
19:50:37 | rasher | dwihno: I don't think there's much magic involved |
19:50:42 | rasher | Q=3 here |
19:51:11 | dwihno | ah |
19:51:19 | dwihno | I'll listen and check what feels right |
19:51:49 | S0ap | and how are LAME mp3s not "perfectly gapless"? |
19:51:57 | bluebrother | I use -q5. Gives about 160kbit and is similar (imo) to 192kbit mp3 |
19:52:02 | jhMikeS | I did post a patch to speed things up. No lookup table anymore either. |
19:52:23 | Galois | lame violates the iso mpeg standard in order to produce so-called gapless mp3s |
19:52:32 | LinusN | jhMikeS: is that patch cvs-ready? |
19:52:50 | LinusN | Galois: in what way? |
19:53:00 | jhMikeS | yes. It comes with a test plugin so you can check it out first |
19:53:20 | S0ap | Galois - even if that is true - how does that affect the gaplessness or lack-thereof of their playback? |
19:53:35 | jhMikeS | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5740 |
19:53:49 | Galois | for that matter, even id3 tags violate the stndrd |
19:53:58 | Galois | +a |
19:54:46 | LinusN | Galois: in what way does lame violate the standard? |
19:55:42 | Galois | uh, it's not an mpeg frame |
19:55:59 | LinusN | the lame header? |
19:56:20 | Galois | http://gabriel.mp3-tech.org/mp3infotag.html |
19:57:07 | LinusN | Galois: ok, so the violation would be that the frame doesn't contain audio data? |
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19:57:38 | Galois | the iso standard allows certain metadata (copyright flag, crc), but nothing on the scale of lame/id3 abuse |
19:57:56 | LinusN | absolutely true |
19:58:19 | LinusN | that would include the Xing VBR header as well |
19:58:50 | LinusN | so yes, basically every MP3 player in existence violate the standard |
19:59:11 | S0ap | de facto / de jure |
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20:00:47 | obo | Could any devs look at a patch for me please? |
20:01:10 | LinusN | which one? |
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20:01:26 | obo | 5166 |
20:02:02 | LinusN | i had a look at it 15 minutes ago |
20:02:13 | LinusN | i think it looks good |
20:02:31 | obo | nice to hear :) |
20:02:36 | rasher | I just managed to generate a voice file |
20:02:40 | rasher | but it's 4mb :-\ |
20:02:46 | rasher | I'll upload the script anyway |
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20:03:34 | ]RowaN[ | can anyone recommend a half decent pendant style flash/sd mp3 player? |
20:03:43 | obo | LinusN: does anything need changing? |
20:04:03 | LinusN | obo: i think you should move mktime() to firmware/common/timefuncs.c |
20:04:38 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Why does the previous file keep playing for a second when switching tracks while paused? BTW: Some ipod owners tried it and it doesn't happen for them. Maybe X5 only issue? |
20:05:20 | rasher | LinusN: voicefile script added (FS #5746). I'm off now. |
20:05:28 | obo | okay, thanks |
20:06:13 | LinusN | jhMikeS: maybe it's because the DMA finished the current chunk before moving on |
20:06:55 | LinusN | i believe the next-file function doesn't flush the currently playing dma buffer |
20:07:16 | LinusN | probably a coldfire issue |
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20:07:57 | LinusN | jhMikeS: better file a bug report with a detailed description on how to reproduce it |
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20:10:16 | jhMikeS | LinusN: will do. very easy to do. |
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20:13:43 | LinusN | i never really understood the point with audioscrobbler |
20:14:19 | Bagder | LinusN: to learn and find out about new bands and music that you might like I guess |
20:15:15 | S0ap | their streaming radio is nice also |
20:15:21 | LinusN | suddenly i get it |
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20:15:58 | S0ap | you can really customize it, or listen to radio based on your habits, or based on someone else's habits, or many other variations. The service is a really great way to find new music. |
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20:16:12 | linuxstb | LinusN: Are you planning on committing the audioscrobbler patch? |
20:16:27 | LinusN | well, i had a look at it |
20:17:01 | S0ap | It is really a quite functional music social networking tool, even if the recent redesign reminds me of MySpace. |
20:18:43 | LinusN | i wonder if we should call it "Last.fm log" instead of "Audioscrobbler log" |
20:19:00 | S0ap | IMHO it wouldn't be a bad idea to hype it, and try to steer "social" conversations from the channel and esp. the forums over to the Rockbox group on Last.FM (Audioscrobbler). |
20:19:57 | linuxstb | Is the log specific to audioscrobbler/last.fm ? Or could it be used for other purposes? |
20:20:09 | LinusN | it's a text log |
20:20:25 | LinusN | formatted according to the audioscrobbler spec |
20:20:37 | LinusN | but it could very well be used for other purposes |
20:21:08 | S0ap | the submission format is audioscrobbler specific, but there is no reason the rockbox log needs to be. The perl script could do all the parsing of a generic log. |
20:21:17 | linuxstb | I'm just thinking that maybe we should call it something generic, even if it's compliant with the audioscrobbler spec. |
20:22:01 | obo | The spec defines the name of the log to ".scrobbler.log" - but saying that it isn't in use yet (on their side) |
20:22:56 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ |
20:23:25 | LinusN | Bagder: nice design |
20:23:33 | Bagder | :-) |
20:23:45 | jhMikeS | Ok...bug reported |
20:23:51 | linuxstb | Bagder: You should remove bootloader-color-nodefault.bin - it's a patched bootloader that someone added to the wiki which starts the apple OS by default... |
20:23:53 | Bagder | all the bootloader attachments |
20:23:59 | Bagder | ok |
20:24:18 | obo | would it be worth adding the FAT32 mbrs from the ipod OSX page? |
20:24:21 | linuxstb | There are also some Mac utilities on the IpodInstallationFromMacOSX page.. |
20:25:08 | jhMikeS | How does the x5v bootloader differ? I don't see a way of builing that one in particular from CVS. |
20:25:10 | LinusN | obo: is there a perl script as well? |
20:25:39 | obo | yes - not written by me, but it works very well |
20:25:41 | Bagder | but the zip files aren't really needed, are they? |
20:25:50 | LinusN | obo: where? |
20:25:58 | Bagder | (I copied all the mac files) |
20:26:16 | linuxstb | Bagder: Which zip files? |
20:26:20 | obo | LinusN: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 should have the most recent version |
20:26:34 | Bagder | ipodpatcher-0.2.zip for example |
20:27:23 | linuxstb | That contains the source for ipodpatcher (but -0.3 is newer) - the source isn't anywhere else. Similarly diskdump-0.1.zip on the Mac page. |
20:27:45 | Bagder | ok |
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20:27:59 | Bagder | then I'll leave them there |
20:29:00 | linuxstb | Guess someone now needs to update the wiki and manual then.... |
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20:29:32 | pijulius | hi guys |
20:30:03 | * | linuxstb goes to edit IpodInstallation |
20:30:15 | pijulius | could someone please help me with font loading in rockbox? I would like to load 3-4 fonts to the cache and use them in my wps |
20:31:07 | pijulius | I already wrote some patches that make positioning the text using x/y coordinates, and I did a custom font face too, but I used font_load, but that uses the hdd every time it loads a font |
20:31:53 | Bagder | pijulius: there's no support for multiple fonts yet |
20:31:57 | Bagder | so you'd need to add that |
20:32:02 | Bagder | bbl |
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20:33:36 | pijulius | Bagder, I would, but could you please give me a few instructions for doing that? for e.g. which function should I use to load a font into the chache so I can later on use them with setfont |
20:34:06 | linuxstb | pijulius: Have you looked at the patch on flyspray which started to add multiple font support to Rockbox? |
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20:34:27 | pijulius | linuxstb, hmm, didn't know that, do you have the link? |
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20:35:01 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the x5v bootloader is identical to the x5, except for the id string in the header |
20:35:07 | linuxstb | No, but I'm sure you can find it by searching flyspray. |
20:35:29 | pijulius | sure, thanks a lot guys, will get back with the foundings |
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20:36:08 | linuxstb | Seems I don't have permission to delete attachments from the wiki... |
20:36:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Thanks. Dumb question...how do you choose which to build? No menu option AFAIK. |
20:36:39 | jhMikeS | Hex edit? |
20:37:05 | LinusN | an argument to tools/scramble |
20:37:25 | LinusN | -iaudiox5 or -iaudiox5v |
20:37:25 | jhMikeS | ahh |
20:37:42 | jhMikeS | thanks. |
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20:54:29 | jhMikeS | oh man! major thunderstorm. gtg |
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20:58:46 | Slasheri | hmm, i probably fixed the playback engine crashing.. but need to test more to be sure |
20:59:22 | Slasheri | at least buffers seems to keep in sync now |
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21:02:55 | * | ToyKeeper == grateful rockbox-on-X5 newb |
21:03:14 | LinusN | congrats |
21:04:02 | ToyKeeper | I'm kinda wondering... sometimes when I go to the next song, the current playlist position stays the same while the playlist size decreases by one... is that normal? |
21:04:24 | ToyKeeper | So, 1/2922 becomes 1/2921, instead of 2/2922. |
21:05:25 | ToyKeeper | I haven't yet figured out what conditions cause it. |
21:05:45 | Mikachu | ToyKeeper: queue? |
21:06:29 | LinusN | ToyKeeper: that happens if the file could not be opened |
21:06:51 | LinusN | then it is removed from the playlist |
21:07:20 | LinusN | iirc |
21:07:22 | ToyKeeper | It opens and plays the file... just removes the first playlist entry. It could be a queue thing, I suppose. |
21:07:36 | LinusN | yes, it can also happen if you queued a file |
21:07:52 | ToyKeeper | It sounds like PEBKAC, then. :) |
21:07:55 | LinusN | then the queued file is removed from the playlist after being played |
21:08:31 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe we removed the "feature" that removed bad songs from the playlist, i donät remember |
21:08:47 | ToyKeeper | In other news, I've got my first theme under way... any thoughts? |
21:08:48 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/TKX5b-5.png |
21:09:06 | Mikachu | lsd is my first |
21:09:13 | LinusN | ToyKeeper: looks nice |
21:09:21 | Mikachu | and i mean that in a good way of course |
21:10:19 | ToyKeeper | Oh, that reminds me. The 0/10 thing is the song rating... I haven't yet found any way to change or use the rating, other than displaying it. |
21:10:31 | ToyKeeper | Are ratings actually implemented yet? |
21:11:28 | ToyKeeper | I implemented ratings and a semi-intelligent auto-DJ in another player a while back... was kinda hoping to find or make something similar for rockbox. |
21:13:05 | sharpe` | aren't ratings just in a tag? |
21:14:22 | ToyKeeper | Sometimes, but I've never liked that approach. Regardless, does rockbox use the rating for anything? |
21:15:11 | sharpe` | i don't believe we actually read the rating tag... i'm not too familiar with certain parts of the code, that being one part i'm not. |
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21:16:18 | ToyKeeper | The most effective way I've found to use it is to compare a random number to the rating while picking the next song, and skip it if the rating is lower than the random number. |
21:16:30 | ToyKeeper | Basically, it causes better songs to get played more often. |
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21:18:04 | ToyKeeper | A strict linear approach is so-so, but weighting it seems to work well. (assuming the rating is 0.0 - 1.0, cubing the rating works pretty well) |
21:18:47 | ToyKeeper | This assumes that skipped songs get re-queued, though, since it may skip dozens of songs in a row before it finds one it likes. |
21:19:23 | ToyKeeper | Anyway, if I implemented something like that, is there any chance it could be accepted upstream, or should I just stick to local patches? |
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21:19:44 | LinusN | ToyKeeper: it depends on many things |
21:20:11 | Slasheri | currently playlist code marks bad files as bad and skips them |
21:20:22 | Slasheri | files are no longer being removed automatically from the playlist |
21:20:29 | LinusN | mainly the quality of the patch and the overall usefulness |
21:20:42 | LinusN | Slasheri: ah yes now i remember |
21:20:48 | Slasheri | :) |
21:21:28 | ToyKeeper | They wouldn't exactly be "bad" files, as in unplayable... just not rated high enough to be played this time through the playlist. |
21:22:26 | Slasheri | hmm, it should be possible to add other status flags as well.. but probably that "bad" flag would work too |
21:22:27 | LinusN | Slasheri: is there room for another flag in the playlist? |
21:22:32 | Slasheri | yes |
21:22:40 | LinusN | sounds like a candidate then |
21:23:16 | ToyKeeper | I don't think a flag covers it. The song rating would need to be re-evaluated every time it's a candidate for being played. |
21:23:33 | Slasheri | current playlist limit (probably the item count) is 256M and adding one new status flag would drop it to 128M |
21:23:43 | Mikachu | such a thing sounds like it would only be useful in shuffle mode |
21:23:45 | Slasheri | i think that would be still enough and more player could handle ;) |
21:24:10 | polluxx2006 | hello! can anbody help me? id like to put my wps to the gallery and have some problems with it. |
21:24:21 | ToyKeeper | Yes, it'd only be useful in shuffle mode, unless you had a sequence of songs all rated at 100%. |
21:25:04 | ToyKeeper | Anyway, I think this tells me plenty for now. I'll most likely bring it up again later once I've learned more about the current code. |
21:25:05 | ToyKeeper | :) |
21:25:25 | rconan | if you recorded the percentage of times that a song is skipped before the end as a rating and then used ToyKeeper's method with the random number that could be really effective |
21:25:53 | sharpe` | ah, but what if they just wanted to skip it, rather that not like it? |
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21:26:44 | rconan | surely that would happen equally with all songs |
21:27:08 | Mikachu | heh, a cat just exited my room |
21:27:19 | Mikachu | i was not aware my room had contained a cat |
21:27:29 | bluey- | anyone got a macbook? |
21:27:41 | sharpe` | Mikachu: well, the question is, do you own a cat? |
21:27:47 | Mikachu | i do not |
21:27:55 | Mikachu | but the door is open |
21:28:09 | bluebrother | polluxx2006, just ask. Without knowing your problem noone will answer it ;-) |
21:28:36 | sharpe` | aye, it'd just end up logged and nothing more... |
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21:32:12 | linuxstb_ | bluey: What's the problem? |
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21:34:21 | polluxx2006 | well bluebrother: i registered to the wiki and opened the gallery and clicked "attach" and got "access denied" |
21:34:50 | polluxx2006 | (following the wps-submit-instructions before) |
21:34:58 | Mikachu | did you login too? |
21:35:13 | polluxx2006 | sure |
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21:35:51 | bluebrother | hmm, I get a "attach file" page. |
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21:36:07 | polluxx2006 | well... where do i have to login then? |
21:36:20 | polluxx2006 | oh sorry... |
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21:36:32 | polluxx2006 | yes, i got the login-popup. sure |
21:37:44 | bluebrother | can you edit the page? |
21:38:49 | polluxx2006 | no. i cant even login with my login-date# |
21:38:51 | polluxx2006 | data |
21:39:17 | bluebrother | hmm. has the login process changed with the latest twiki update? |
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21:40:17 | bluebrother | maybe it has send out a confirmation email? |
21:40:18 | polluxx2006 | i dont know |
21:40:35 | obo | polluxx2006: what is your login name? |
21:40:49 | polluxx2006 | RiverRunsRed |
21:40:58 | sharpe` | oooh. |
21:41:03 | sharpe` | :( |
21:41:07 | polluxx2006 | and it also says that the activation code is invalid :( |
21:41:14 | bluebrother | I guess this isn't your real name ... |
21:41:21 | polluxx2006 | no, its my wiki.-name |
21:41:31 | sharpe` | you really should use your real name... |
21:41:39 | bluebrother | you read this on the registering page: Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule. |
21:41:41 | scorche | not should |
21:41:43 | scorche | need |
21:42:04 | sharpe` | scorche: but really should is just like saying need. :) |
21:42:15 | scorche | not always ;) |
21:42:52 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Just found the note directly above that. |
21:43:02 | polluxx2006 | also, wheni click on the link to my twiki topic, it says: This Wiki topic does not exist yet |
21:43:12 | sharpe` | well, you can choose to not do anything you need to do, just like you can choose to not do anything you really should do. |
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21:43:38 | bluebrother | read the red note here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration |
21:44:21 | polluxx2006 | i did that already |
21:44:38 | polluxx2006 | okay |
21:44:39 | polluxx2006 | :) |
21:44:47 | polluxx2006 | well, here i am, asking |
21:45:26 | bluebrother | RiverRunsRed got deleted from TWikiUsers. I guess because it doesn't comply to the naming rules. |
21:46:00 | polluxx2006 | it did, i didnt get any error massage. okay, then ill register again... just a minute |
21:47:06 | polluxx2006 | ok, now it worked |
21:47:27 | sharpe` | Linus was quick on that one... |
21:47:36 | polluxx2006 | id like to ask for permission now |
21:48:24 | polluxx2006 | its because i want to put my wps into the gallery |
21:49:01 | bluebrother | either linus is really quick atm or it's something automatic −− all "bad" names I found in the history have been removed the same day. |
21:49:26 | sharpe` | i'm thinking he's just quick like that. |
21:49:28 | bluebrother | Then you'll need a wiki admin. I'm not, so I can't help you. |
21:49:36 | sharpe` | anyone with write access can add him. |
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21:49:48 | bluebrother | anyone can? |
21:50:16 | * | bluebrother has no idea what's changed all on the last update |
21:50:19 | sharpe` | anyone who was registered before that restriction was added, can... |
21:50:44 | scorche | bluebrother: you just need to add the name to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup |
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21:51:52 | scorche | polluxx2006: since i am already in the page, what is your name? |
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21:52:52 | sharpe` | scorche: my guess is, OliverEsseling |
21:53:26 | scorche | sharpe`: yeah, but i like to make sure ;)( |
21:54:31 | polluxx2006 | OliverEsseling |
21:54:42 | sharpe` | he shoots, he scores... |
21:55:24 | scorche | done |
21:55:36 | polluxx2006 | so, i can now add my wps to the gallery? |
21:55:39 | sharpe` | yse. |
21:55:56 | sharpe` | hmm... something went wrong... |
21:58:00 | bluebrother | nice idea to hold the wiki clean. |
21:58:04 | polluxx2006 | ok.. but where do i have to write down my name, descrition, link to a screendump ect. as described on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
21:58:13 | ToyKeeper | rconan: The learning-by-skipping approach may work for some people, but it gives me very bad results. |
21:58:40 | sharpe` | ToyKeeper: indeed, for me also. |
21:59:08 | rconan | ok |
21:59:11 | Mikachu | maybe a usb mood ring |
21:59:33 | bluebrother | s/hold/keep/ |
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21:59:37 | sharpe` | Mikachu: then it'd be biased by the player's heat... :) |
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22:00:30 | bluebrother | polluxx2006, go to the appropriate wps page. Use the "edit" link at the bottom of the page. |
22:01:46 | bluebrother | or the attach link. I'm not really aware of the process but you've got the description |
22:03:11 | polluxx2006 | ok, ill give it a try |
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22:07:14 | Lear | Hmm, for irivers, the middle button of the joystick is called "select" in the manual, and "navi" in the language files... |
22:09:36 | bluebrother | Lear, not lasting for long ... |
22:10:02 | Lear | You work with the manual? |
22:10:09 | bluebrother | (ok, the image will be wrong until someone fixes that) |
22:10:15 | bluebrother | yes. |
22:11:08 | Lear | Well, for Swedish, navi doesn't quite work, imho... |
22:12:29 | bluebrother | for swedish? |
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22:14:33 | Lear | Yes, "Navi" in swedish doesn't look good (translated or not)... |
22:14:59 | bluebrother | I don't understand the problem |
22:15:42 | bluebrother | is it just a weird looking word? At least iriver used this term which was the reason we agreed on using the same term. |
22:16:06 | Lear | I just think it isn't a good "name" for the button... But I wasn't aware of the reason for it. |
22:16:43 | bluebrother | I also think "select" is more "natural", but as iriver used this term (and the remote is labeled with navi) I think it's better to use the same. |
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22:21:52 | Febs | I was just reading the commit log and thinking select is a better designation than navi. Is there a reason that the H300 and H100 must be the same? |
22:22:55 | Febs | (other than consistency, which would be good, but I think that we're stuck with Navi for the H300 as the button itself has that label) |
22:23:28 | Lear | As far as the lang files goes, it can be different. |
22:24:15 | Lear | But the patch missed one thing: LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_DELETE. On+play is kind of difficult on iriver... :) |
22:25:23 | bluebrother | Febs, mainly because iriver also uses navi for that button. |
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22:31:45 | polluxx2006 | ok, now that i succesfully added my wps to the gallery... whom do i have to ask if i want my wps to be included in rockbox? |
22:32:07 | polluxx2006 | i already posted it on flyspray but got no reaction yet |
22:32:17 | Bagder | don't count on that to happen |
22:32:29 | Bagder | we want only a limited set in the default package |
22:37:01 | polluxx2006 | hmmm... but wouldnt you take a look at m wps first before judging? |
22:37:37 | Bagder | I guess |
22:38:08 | polluxx2006 | badger, i think its looks nice and u is seful, too |
22:38:22 | polluxx2006 | is useful, too |
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