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| 00:30:48 | jakub- | can i compile rb without sh-elf-gcc? |
| 00:31:00 | jakub- | i want only compile one plugin |
| 00:31:11 | Bagder | no |
| 00:31:19 | markun | jakub-: which player do you have? |
| 00:31:37 | jakub- | gray 4 |
| 00:31:47 | markun | what's that? |
| 00:31:53 | markun | ipod? |
| 00:32:03 | jakub- | iPod 4th gen Grayscale |
| 00:32:11 | jakub- | this one |
| 00:32:14 | markun | then you have to use arm-elf-gcc |
| 00:32:50 | jakub- | could you tell me what is this? |
| 00:33:01 | jakub- | this is some addon to gcc? |
| 00:33:07 | Bagder | it _is_ gcc |
| 00:33:12 | jakub- | or separatet soft? |
| 00:33:12 | Bagder | built to generate arm code |
| 00:33:44 | markun | jakub-: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 00:34:30 | markun | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
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| 00:36:03 | Mikachu | linuxstb: haha, i finally found the problem |
| 00:36:09 | Mikachu | linuxstb: http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/15 |
| 00:36:42 | Mikachu | linuxstb: my theory is the summer heat doesn't go well with 78mhz, i've had that change forever with no problems before now |
| 00:37:27 | jakub- | markun: thx, now i know what i need to do :) |
| 00:38:00 | markun | jakub-: which plugin are you trying to compile? |
| 00:39:11 | obo | Mikachu: what other goodies do you have in your build? |
| 00:39:58 | Mikachu | linuxstb: theory confirmed, it works fine after 30 seconds in the fridge too, at 78mhz |
| 00:40:02 | Mikachu | :D |
| 00:40:32 | Mikachu | obo: for the purposes of finding my problem i had to split out my changes |
| 00:40:38 | Bagder | Mikachu: that the official "Rockbox iPod Swedish Winter Build" then? ;-) |
| 00:40:48 | Mikachu | yes :D |
| 00:41:03 | Bagder | the long, dark and cold build |
| 00:41:25 | Mikachu | obo: http://mikachu.ath.cx/rockbox/ |
| 00:41:32 | Mikachu | obo: obviously don't apply number 7 then |
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| 00:42:39 | Mikachu | obo: is there a current version of the phones pause patch on the tracker? |
| 00:42:56 | obo | Mikachu: current-ish :) |
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| 00:44:04 | jakub- | markun: xobox |
| 00:44:38 | Mikachu | only the lang file rejected, good enough |
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| 00:46:29 | obo | Mikachu: see if you can blackmail someone into comitting it |
| 00:46:40 | Mikachu | heh |
| 00:46:46 | Mikachu | i don't think i have anything on anyone |
| 00:48:51 | Mikachu | heh, it looks like you reversed the button.c function, mine pauses when i plug them in now :P |
| 00:49:44 | obo | yeah, I did - I thought it would be good if the function matched the name ;) |
| 00:49:52 | Mikachu | good idea |
| 00:50:41 | Mikachu | obo: btw, patch 2/2.5 and 5 depend on eachother |
| 00:51:12 | obo | okay - I'll need to play with this lot tomorrow |
| 00:51:30 | Mikachu | phew, everything is back to normal now |
| 00:51:45 | obo | heh |
| 00:51:57 | Mikachu | actually there is one little hunk missing from those patches, i didn't bother to split it out since it for the bootloader |
| 00:52:05 | Mikachu | the 'reboot to apple' entry doesn't make much sense without it |
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| 00:52:45 | Mikachu | there, added it now |
| 00:53:25 | obo | thanks |
| 00:54:00 | * | obo wonders what you'd need 26Mb of plugin buffer for |
| 00:55:46 | BigMac | hey how many posts do you need to rank up to 2 stars on the forum |
| 00:57:09 | Bagder | no idea |
| 00:57:27 | BigMac | oh ok |
| 00:57:32 | BigMac | well if anyone does speak up |
| 00:57:45 | BigMac | i have to go apply aloe vera to my massive sunburn |
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| 02:00:22 | JdGordon | grrrr!!!!!!11 |
| 02:01:42 | JdGordon | #5364 was waiting for sooo long to be commited... why on earth was it done 2 days before it would have been not needced anymore? |
| 02:04:00 | BigMac | JdGordon: what is the ratio of successful to insuccessful on your compiler? |
| 02:04:10 | JdGordon | ? |
| 02:04:26 | JdGordon | builds on my webpage? |
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| 02:04:42 | BigMac | how many patched builds have been successfully compiled? |
| 02:05:24 | JdGordon | i tihnk it was 2:~40 before i took the site down |
| 02:05:48 | JdGordon | too many people dont read instructions, and too many patches were not in sync with cvs |
| 02:06:40 | secleinteer | hey, does any1 have a reccomendation on how often i should update? |
| 02:06:47 | secleinteer | eg. get a new build |
| 02:09:01 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 02:09:06 | Jungti1234 | anyone know RDS? |
| 02:09:12 | Jungti1234 | Remote Data Service |
| 02:09:22 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why would 5364 not be needed in 2 days time? |
| 02:09:22 | JdGordon | look at the changleog on the main page and if something loooks nice upgrade' |
| 02:09:37 | JdGordon | linuxstb: because ive changed it to play on iriver :) |
| 02:09:53 | JdGordon | well not 2 days, once the actions are commited |
| 02:10:26 | linuxstb | I personally prefer that (PLAY is used to confirm on the ipods), but I'm not sure if it will be universally liked... |
| 02:11:22 | JdGordon | the reason its changed is because it goes with std_accept which suits on/oplay better than navi |
| 02:11:56 | JdGordon | no real big deal, it can be uncommited from cvs just as easily cant it? |
| 02:12:10 | Jungti1234 | Perhaps, iriver website done hacking. |
| 02:13:06 | BigMac | linuxstb: i like select |
| 02:13:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the patch whouls work fine again, if you want to try it on ipod |
| 02:13:31 | JdGordon | BigMac: your used to select.. so you like it |
| 02:13:59 | BigMac | yah i guess |
| 02:14:09 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 02:14:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It's 1am and I'm about to sleep, but I'll give it a quick look. Where's the latest patch? |
| 02:14:32 | JdGordon | na dw, go to sleep :p |
| 02:14:37 | JdGordon | .. or the wiki |
| 02:14:39 | BigMac | linuxstb: what languages should i learn if i want to be able to help with the effort on programming on the ipod 5g? |
| 02:14:57 | linuxstb | C |
| 02:14:57 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/ButtonActionIdea?rev=11;filename=actions.diff |
| 02:15:07 | BigMac | just C? |
| 02:15:35 | JdGordon | and arm asm |
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| 02:15:46 | BigMac | arm asm |
| 02:15:51 | BigMac | is that one thing or two |
| 02:15:56 | BigMac | i know asm already |
| 02:16:28 | JdGordon | arm assembly |
| 02:16:49 | BigMac | k so it is a variant of asm? |
| 02:17:01 | secleinteer | no its a type of prosthetic making |
| 02:17:02 | secleinteer | :D |
| 02:18:14 | linuxstb | BigMac: What assembly do you know already? |
| 02:18:59 | BigMac | .8x |
| 02:19:08 | BigMac | its for calculators |
| 02:20:05 | BigMac | linuxstb: do you guys still need help on the 5g, because i don't want to learn all this stuff not to be able to help you guys out |
| 02:20:17 | linuxstb | JdGordon: One thing I've noticed in the source - you've got the SETTINGS_INC and SETTINGS_DEC the wrong way round for the ipods. "INC" is FWD, and "DEC" is BACK. |
| 02:20:45 | JdGordon | thats what i thought, but i tried it in the sim and it is actually backwards |
| 02:21:16 | BigMac | did any of you guys learn c in an online tutorial? |
| 02:21:16 | linuxstb | The sim doesn't simulate the wheel very well. |
| 02:21:39 | linuxstb | BigMac: Rockbox is never finished, so help is always needed. |
| 02:21:52 | JdGordon | BigMac: i learnt from lots of exmaple and trying stuff, then learnt it properly from uni, c is pretty easy to learn |
| 02:22:13 | JdGordon | linuxstb: oh ok |
| 02:22:17 | BigMac | uni=university? |
| 02:22:20 | JdGordon | ye |
| 02:22:32 | BigMac | k and is arm difficult? |
| 02:23:27 | JdGordon | the only asm i did was MIPS and i hated it, so i havnt even looked at learning arm |
| 02:24:00 | jhMikeS | Is there some way to get an assembly output when compiling? I mean something better than disassembling the .o file? |
| 02:24:09 | jhMikeS | Is there some way to get an assembly output when compiling? I mean something better than disassembling the .o file? |
| 02:24:23 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It compiles :) Now to test. |
| 02:24:31 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:24:48 | MrStaticVoid | jhMikeS: gcc -S file.c |
| 02:25:03 | jhMikeS | ahh. thank you very much |
| 02:25:27 | jhMikeS | shouldn't I use CC? |
| 02:25:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: If you type "make V=1", that will display the gcc commands with all the required parameters. So you can copy and paste the line you need and add -S |
| 02:26:25 | BigMac | GET FLAC WORKING ON 3gen iPods! |
| 02:26:42 | BigMac | someone i know told me to tell you that |
| 02:26:44 | jhMikeS | ok. thanks |
| 02:26:51 | JdGordon | didnt anyone tell you? it already does, u need to enable the option in the secret emnus |
| 02:26:54 | JdGordon | menus |
| 02:27:11 | BigMac | seriously? |
| 02:27:16 | jhMikeS | enmus? |
| 02:27:17 | BigMac | or haha joke |
| 02:27:21 | BigMac | menus |
| 02:27:32 | JdGordon | we cant tell you how tho, because the same menu has the hardcore sex scenes and the esrb will take our pg rating :D |
| 02:27:42 | BigMac | awww |
| 02:27:52 | linuxstb | BigMac: FLAC works on the 3g already. |
| 02:27:54 | BigMac | thats what i was lloking forwards to:-) |
| 02:27:57 | BigMac | it does |
| 02:28:34 | linuxstb | At least, that's what the developer working on the 3g told me, and there is a post in the forum saying it works for him as well. |
| 02:28:56 | BigMac | is it in the latest build? |
| 02:29:05 | BigMac | linuxstb: what do you work on? |
| 02:30:18 | linuxstb | BigMac: It's been in the builds for a couple of weeks - since audio playback started working on the 3g. |
| 02:30:32 | linuxstb | I work on a Color ipod, a 5g and an iriver H140. |
| 02:31:36 | Drkepilogue | did you work out the ROLO thing yet? |
| 02:31:53 | linuxstb | JdGordon: First problem - I can't cancel out of a settings menu - e.g. changing the backlight timeout. It used to be MENU to cancel. |
| 02:32:12 | linuxstb | Drkepilogue: Not yet. |
| 02:32:15 | Drkepilogue | ok |
| 02:32:18 | JdGordon | menu is cancel is it? ok, i assumed it was long play |
| 02:32:34 | linuxstb | Ah, long play works... |
| 02:34:25 | linuxstb | Don't change it though - long play is probably more consistent... |
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| 02:34:45 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 02:34:51 | * | JdGordon unedits the wiki :p |
| 02:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Umm... manual people around? |
| 02:35:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a fairly major concern with a recent item in the changelog. |
| 02:36:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm not saying that we'll keep long play, just that I would quite like to see what mappings you come up with for the ipod - with the aim of being more consistent. |
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| 02:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, shoot, never mind. |
| 02:37:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is mildly stupid. |
| 02:37:12 | linuxstb | So there's no problem? |
| 02:37:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | No problem |
| 02:37:22 | linuxstb | apart from your mild stupidity... :) |
| 02:37:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 02:37:51 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, i thought it could get problematic tho, because short play is accept the change and long play is cancel? |
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| 02:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Usually Menu is Cancel, isn't it? |
| 02:38:20 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has no idea what we're talking about. |
| 02:38:37 | JdGordon | anyway, i have to go have a shower so i can be at uni on time, if there is anything else wrong (and arnt falling asleep) can you add it to the wiki please? |
| 02:39:32 | JdGordon | thanks for trying it out |
| 02:40:37 | linuxstb | Fast-forward in the WPS doesn't work well, but I think you know that? |
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| 02:49:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: really? damn, we were hoping we fixed it |
| 02:49:24 | JdGordon | unless i didnt fix the mapping correctly |
| 02:51:26 | JdGordon | no, its corect in the keymap file.. damn |
| 02:52:40 | JdGordon | does the eq settings / colour chooser screens work fine? |
| 02:52:48 | JdGordon | they have the same keys so only check one |
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| 03:00:19 | BigMac | anyone like the loop? |
| 03:00:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do, For, or While? |
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| 03:02:50 | BigMac | Paul_The_Nerd: how many posts do i need to go from 1 star to two? |
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| 03:06:22 | BigMac | linuxstb: you said c right not c++ |
| 03:08:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: I honestly don't know. The stars don't really mean anything anyway. People tend to judge by the quality of your posts, not the quantity. |
| 03:08:35 | * | Paul_The_Nerd never quite understood the value of the 'do' loop. |
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| 03:12:13 | BigMac | i made my first program |
| 03:12:31 | BigMac | im on my way to being able to actually contribute to this community |
| 03:14:19 | BigMac | do i just type the commands into cygwin/vmware? |
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| 03:22:50 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: people use do-while loops so that whatever's in the loop is at least executed *once* and then the while is checked, and it repeats if the while is true.. |
| 03:24:00 | midkay | so if you want something to happen at least once and then continue on if the while allows, you'd use do-while. |
| 03:24:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I dunno. My thoughts were always "A While can do anything a Do can, but a Do can't do everything a While can" |
| 03:24:27 | midkay | a do {whatever} while(); ? |
| 03:25:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | A do-while MUST always execute once. A While can be made to execute once, if you set the conditions properly. |
| 03:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | execute _at least_ once |
| 03:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | rather |
| 03:25:11 | JdGordon | and the most pointless code is do { something } while (0); ! |
| 03:25:39 | JdGordon | and there are some #defined like that in rb for some reason |
| 03:25:47 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: so do-while is useful when you don't want to tweak the conditions and crap. |
| 03:26:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah. |
| 03:26:39 | midkay | maybe if you did like do {search_for_errors()} while (no_errors_found).. |
| 03:27:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you could always start no_errors_found as false, before a while loop of the same thing. |
| 03:27:45 | midkay | i suppose. :) |
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| 03:27:55 | midkay | dunno, hard to think of a place it'd be particularly useful. |
| 03:28:00 | midkay | but they must exist. |
| 03:28:02 | midkay | i'm sure of it. |
| 03:28:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, there are times where it requires slightly less typing time (I'm really not sure of the compiler output difference) to set up a do-while. |
| 03:28:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'm just curious if there's ever a place where a do-while must be used over a do. |
| 03:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | err over a while |
| 03:29:38 | midkay | confusig. :) |
| 03:29:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:29:48 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: i dont tinhk there would be much difference at all in the compiler output |
| 03:30:14 | JdGordon | anyway, uni time |
| 03:30:15 | midkay | yeah, i wonder also.. i'm sure you can get the same output for any do-while with some tweaks/additions to a plain old "while". |
| 03:30:18 | JdGordon | ttyl |
| 03:30:23 | midkay | laters JdGordon. |
| 03:30:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Although, I guess one could argue that a for loop is really another convenience, but I'm fond of those so I won't. |
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| 03:32:39 | midkay | yeah, you could say that, but i think a for loop over a while loop is more of a convenience than do-while versus while. |
| 03:33:23 | midkay | generally anything using "for" would take at least two more lines with "do" and wouldn't be so simple/concise IMO. |
| 03:34:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, a for adds a lot of convenience, *and* readability. |
| 03:34:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, as long as you don't abuse the for loop |
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| 03:37:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suppose you could exist without any of the three loops if you really had to. |
| 03:37:21 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:37:27 | midkay | that'd be particularly fun. |
| 03:37:27 | midkay | :) |
| 03:38:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ifs and gotos by the truckload. |
| 03:39:31 | midkay | ah, goto.. righto.. |
| 03:39:52 | midkay | i was thinking instead of while(i<50) you'd just copy-paste the while's content fifty times. |
| 03:39:57 | midkay | but i guess goto works as well. |
| 03:39:58 | midkay | :) |
| 03:40:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | That wouldn't work well for variable numbers of iterations though. |
| 03:40:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you dropped the goto, you'd have to start using like, a LOT of recursion I guess. |
| 03:40:23 | midkay | on that note you could *technically* get by without goto. |
| 03:40:57 | midkay | if(iterations > 1) { second paste } if(iterations > 2) { third paste} ... |
| 03:40:58 | midkay | :) |
| 03:41:05 | midkay | then just set iterations and let 'er rip! |
| 03:42:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | That again only works though if you know how many the max number of iterations is. |
| 03:42:38 | midkay | just copy-paste 32,768 times and you shall be fine! |
| 03:42:49 | midkay | unless you're unsigned int iterations.. :E |
| 03:43:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:43:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or a long |
| 03:43:17 | jhMikeS | You should only have to cut/paste 15 times |
| 03:43:41 | midkay | :D |
| 03:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | What you do is set iterations to whatever value you want. |
| 03:43:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then do if(iterations−−) each time |
| 03:44:00 | midkay | that works i suppose. |
| 03:44:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way you don't have to compare, and you have cleanly copyable code without needing alterations. |
| 03:44:26 | midkay | darn geniuses. :( |
| 03:46:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | They should have programming competitions where certain keywords are simply banned. |
| 03:47:09 | scorche | like "if"? |
| 03:47:11 | scorche | =P |
| 03:47:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | People would just get by with switch cases. |
| 03:47:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be fun. |
| 03:47:47 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:48:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Banning if would also have to exclued the blah ? X : Y syntax. |
| 03:48:05 | midkay | hahaha.. switch(i) { case 1: whatever(); } |
| 03:48:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or x=0; while( condition && x==0) { blah; x=1;} and then while(x=0){the else stuff; x=1) |
| 03:48:52 | midkay | HEY WAIT A SECOND. scorche. wake up. |
| 03:48:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's *like* an if, only horribly not. |
| 03:49:03 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: huh. |
| 03:49:08 | midkay | hahaha, horribly not.. |
| 03:49:17 | scorche | midkay: please stop...seriously...it is getting on my nerves now... |
| 03:49:23 | midkay | what do they call it when you use words like that that don't really .. work with the other... |
| 03:49:28 | midkay | like "terribly great". |
| 03:49:38 | midkay | scorche: well then stop saying you're leaving and not-really-leaving. |
| 03:49:44 | midkay | it is getting on my nerves. |
| 03:49:47 | midkay | :) |
| 03:49:47 | scorche | i did leave |
| 03:49:51 | scorche | i just came back |
| 03:50:00 | midkay | now you have the .vmf, so get to it mr. hammer expert. |
| 03:50:07 | jhMikeS | oxymoron "military intelligence" |
| 03:50:09 | scorche | am i supposed to notify you when i get back? |
| 03:50:26 | scorche | and i know...i opened hammer |
| 03:51:03 | BigMac | yes |
| 03:51:08 | BigMac | i made a prgram |
| 03:51:14 | BigMac | another one down |
| 03:51:31 | jhMikeS | Aright, I did m68k-elf-gcc -S <file> and all I got was a lousy .s file with some segment definitions, aligns, etc. |
| 03:51:47 | jhMikeS | No assembly :(( |
| 03:54:57 | midkay | haha. military intelligence. |
| 03:56:27 | jhMikeS | :D - Any idea? MrStaticVoid?? |
| 03:58:01 | jhMikeS | I'll try "-c". Compile and Assemble, do not link. |
| 03:59:42 | jhMikeS | rrrrrrrrrr |
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| 04:11:45 | safetydan | jhMikeS: What's the exact command you're typing? |
| 04:13:24 | jhMikeS | From the output I copied the options: m68k-elf-gcc -MG -MM -MT -S lcd-x5.c |
| 04:13:44 | jhMikeS | And tried: m68k-elf-gcc -MG -MM -MT -S -c lcd-x5.c |
| 04:14:07 | jhMikeS | Now I'm not even getting the .s file. |
| 04:16:49 | safetydan | That doesn't seem like the normal rockbox compile line |
| 04:18:20 | jhMikeS | That's what show using make V=1 |
| 04:18:46 | safetydan | That looks like the dependency line. |
| 04:18:58 | safetydan | Is there a line further on in the output ? |
| 04:19:10 | safetydan | I don't have a rockbox tree in front of me to test compiling |
| 04:19:25 | safetydan | You want something that has a few -I and -D options |
| 04:19:41 | jhMikeS | The full line: m68k-elf-gcc -MG -MM -MT "/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/build-x5-N/firmware/$obj" |
| 04:20:08 | jhMikeS | a line for what? There's thousands |
| 04:20:53 | jhMikeS | Before it, reg exp: obj=`echo $each | sed -e 's/\.[cS]/.o/'`; |
| 04:21:41 | safetydan | Do something like "make V=1 | grep lcd-x5.c" |
| 04:21:59 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 04:22:37 | safetydan | You may need to do a make clean first so it actually compiles something |
| 04:22:46 | jhMikeS | I'm was just doing that :) |
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| 04:23:37 | jhMikeS | That's going to churn away for a bit |
| 04:24:10 | jhMikeS | I added "> lcddada.txt" to the end of that |
| 04:26:08 | jhMikeS | 8^* |
| 04:26:12 | midkay | dada as in an abbreviation or as in like a sound a baby makes?! |
| 04:26:27 | jhMikeS | sound |
| 04:26:37 | jhMikeS | lazy fingers |
| 04:26:38 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:26:42 | midkay | let me try. |
| 04:26:52 | midkay | lcdLDADadaDadADAdadAHahahaha.ADAAAAhaaDHEHEHEHEHEHE.txt. |
| 04:27:19 | jhMikeS | wawawawawawawawawawawa...ok built |
| 04:27:36 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:28:20 | jhMikeS | (for each in common/unicode.c backlight.c buffer.c common/atoi.c common/crc32.c common/ctype.c common/dir.c common/file.c common/dircache.c common/disk.c common/errno.c common/memcmp.c common/memchr.c common/qsort.c common/random.c common/sprintf.c common/strcasecmp.c common/strcasestr.c common/strcat.c common/strchr.c common/strcmp.c common/strcpy.c common/strlen.c common/strncmp.c common/strncpy.c common/strrc |
| 04:28:20 | jhMikeS | mgmt.c system.c usb.c drivers/tlv320.c pcm_playback.c replaygain.c pcm_record.c sound.c drivers/m5636.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/power-x5.c drivers/generic_i2c.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/button-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/lcd-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/pcf50606-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/adc-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/ata-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/system-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/usb-x5. |
| 04:28:31 | jhMikeS | CC target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/lcd-x5.c |
| 04:28:45 | jhMikeS | m68k-elf-gcc -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5 -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware/target/coldfire -Iinclude -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware -Iexport -Icommon -Idrivers -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/build-x5-N -W -Wall -O -nostdlib -ffreestanding -Wstrict-prototypes -g |
| 04:28:59 | jhMikeS | :D = Whoa, but those are the lines. |
| 04:29:02 | safetydan | that last line is what you want to add the -S to |
| 04:30:25 | jhMikeS | gonna give it a shot |
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| 04:37:41 | jhMikeS | lots of errors... |
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| 04:44:36 | * | jhMikeS thinks maybe it would be easier to change a makefile or script temporarily |
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| 05:04:31 | jn- | heil rockbox! |
| 05:05:21 | scorche | forgot seig =P |
| 05:05:55 | jhMikeS | Yeah, fershizzle! |
| 05:06:34 | jn- | i have a couple of questions.. most importantly.. itrip... good ol itrip, i found one method that includes taking the itrip apart and connecting a powersource which seems like a lot of work is there another/better way? |
| 05:07:11 | scorche | rockbox does not support the itrips yet |
| 05:07:51 | jn- | is there work being done for itrip support? thats the only thing keeping me from commiting 100 percent |
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| 05:08:10 | safetydan | I haven't seen anyone doing any work on it. |
| 05:08:11 | jn- | i use that itrip constantly, in the car.. intill i can get a better deck |
| 05:08:38 | scorche | any transmitter that takes the input from just the headphone port will work |
| 05:08:58 | jn- | also, how do i move the menu down.. it's too high on the screen and blocking the status bar |
| 05:09:07 | jn- | inother words a direct connection? |
| 05:09:20 | jn- | i have no port in my deck and no tape player either |
| 05:09:26 | jn- | just cd/am/fm |
| 05:09:50 | scorche | like i said, an FM transmitter that plugs into the headphone port will work |
| 05:09:57 | scorche | and what menu? |
| 05:10:20 | jn- | what menu.. the main one, that i scroll thru |
| 05:11:52 | midkay | jn-: is the status bar disabled? |
| 05:12:01 | midkay | the menu can't "block" it, it's either just enabled or disabled. |
| 05:12:35 | jn- | im using jBlackGlass |
| 05:12:43 | jn- | i also set his font |
| 05:13:15 | midkay | jn-: but, is the status bar enabled? turn it on if you want it. |
| 05:13:20 | midkay | that's why we give you the option. |
| 05:14:02 | jn- | im confused.. when i look at this screen shot, the menu, that shows notes, contacts, data etc.. is below the time and all his other stuff |
| 05:15:03 | safetydan | jn-: Go to General Settings -> Display -> Status-/Scrollbar -> Status Bar |
| 05:15:15 | safetydan | does it say "Yes" or "No"? If it's No, set it to Yes |
| 05:15:47 | jn- | it's yes |
| 05:16:06 | jn- | in j's screen shot a diff font is being used for time and diff icons for play etc |
| 05:16:14 | jn- | i think i might have not copied something? |
| 05:16:57 | safetydan | Possibly. It looks like the jBlackGlass theme depends on a patched version of Rockbox. |
| 05:17:06 | jn- | the time and icons are in the middle of the status bar insted of the top in his shot, and the menu starts below the bar |
| 05:17:14 | jn- | that is correct |
| 05:19:06 | safetydan | I've no idea then. Unofficial builds are out of my scope of knowledge. |
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| 05:26:31 | jn- | anyone happen to have a copy of itrip.xml it got moved of griffen's website |
| 05:27:16 | jn- | if i can just change the station it might work, i gave up on finding the xml a long time ago and got the new one, but since the new one doesnt work with rb yet.... |
| 05:32:14 | jn- | brb |
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| 06:19:12 | jhMikeS | It works! \ó/ I changed "export CC=m68k-elf-gcc" to "export CC=m68k-elf-gcc -S -c" in the makefile so you get assembly output in the .o's instead. Good enough. |
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| 07:38:16 | Bg3r | morning ;) |
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| 07:43:07 | JdGordon | morning Bg3r |
| 07:43:36 | Bg3r | these bad Monday mornings ... |
| 07:44:15 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 07:44:40 | ToyKeeper | Weird... dircproxy is logging just fine but can't recall text on freenode like it does on other networks. |
| 07:44:46 | JdGordon | i got a nice sleep in this morning... didnt have uni till 12 :) |
| 07:44:53 | JdGordon | and only had to stay for 2 hours |
| 07:44:59 | Bg3r | lucky u ;) |
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| 08:40:51 | JdGordon | morning LinusN |
| 08:41:03 | LinusN | salaam |
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| 08:41:22 | * | LinusN goes to get some coffee |
| 08:41:22 | JdGordon | so that lang patch is finally commited aye :p |
| 08:41:26 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:41:39 | * | Bagder has his coffee |
| 08:41:53 | Bagder | officially end of vacation day |
| 08:42:11 | JdGordon | hehe, had a nice vacation? |
| 08:42:27 | Bagder | very nice indeed |
| 08:42:32 | Bg3r | very good ;) |
| 08:42:47 | Bagder | and now I'll work from home for several months |
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| 08:46:02 | dirt | sup |
| 08:46:25 | dirt | how do i use a car charger with out having rockbox reset over and over again |
| 08:46:50 | JdGordon | disconnect it before turning the car on/off? |
| 08:47:11 | dirt | ? |
| 08:47:40 | dirt | car was on, and i was playing a song and went to charge it when i noticed this.. |
| 08:48:28 | JdGordon | why is it reseting? unless the car charger is crap and its resetting because its putting too much voltage into the player? |
| 08:48:40 | JdGordon | or does it always reset if oyu plug ac in? |
| 08:48:44 | JdGordon | which target? |
| 08:49:00 | dirt | seems like it wants to connect to a cpu, cause the same screen pops up when i connect rockbox to my computer |
| 08:49:05 | dirt | target? |
| 08:49:19 | scorche | device |
| 08:49:31 | * | JdGordon guessed ipoo |
| 08:49:37 | dirt | ipod photo |
| 08:49:47 | dirt | charger is igo |
| 08:50:09 | JdGordon | ok, im not sure if ac charging works in rb yet? |
| 08:50:21 | dirt | ahh.. |
| 08:50:33 | dirt | it froze once while playing a song too :/ |
| 08:50:40 | dirt | how long have you been using rb? |
| 08:50:50 | JdGordon | since november |
| 08:50:55 | JdGordon | but not on an ipod |
| 08:50:57 | Bagder | since summer 2002 |
| 08:51:04 | Bagder | :-] |
| 08:51:07 | dirt | Bagder: on ipod? |
| 08:51:11 | Bg3r | :D |
| 08:51:12 | Bagder | no |
| 08:51:17 | Bagder | what's ipod? |
| 08:51:21 | * | Bagder runs |
| 08:51:21 | dirt | lol |
| 08:51:36 | JdGordon | runing before 9am?? jeeze you are keen! |
| 08:51:39 | dirt | im wondering if there is a setting i could enable/disable so i dont crash again |
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| 08:53:42 | JdGordon | dirt: wait around till linuxstb comes in, he's the ipod guy |
| 08:53:54 | jn | ok |
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| 08:54:41 | LinusN | JdGordon: you think we should have used Play to confirm? |
| 08:55:04 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 08:55:18 | JdGordon | its now the standard true accept button for iriver |
| 08:55:27 | Bg3r | sometimes it's better to use other key for confirming than the button for select in menu |
| 08:55:42 | Bg3r | (like when u select to delete a file) |
| 08:56:17 | Bg3r | but, otoh the habbits are strong :) |
| 08:56:19 | JdGordon | LinusN: did you make any changes to the diff after i left last night? ive fixed the 2 compile errors, and changed the iriver mapping again to actually work in some screens |
| 08:56:37 | JdGordon | hehe.. the habbits are strong in this one.. |
| 08:56:50 | LinusN | i think Navi is better because the Play button is badly placed |
| 08:57:02 | Bg3r | LinusN: for h300 it's ok |
| 08:57:06 | JdGordon | on h100 maybe, h300 is better |
| 08:57:07 | Bg3r | but for h100 ... |
| 08:57:11 | LinusN | true |
| 08:57:30 | LinusN | well, it's always possible to change it for h300 |
| 08:57:42 | Bg3r | yep :) |
| 08:57:47 | Bg3r | but.. |
| 08:58:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: the menu code needs to signal a screen change when leaving |
| 08:59:31 | JdGordon | it does... well it should.. the signal is there, line 164, but it does work, i realised playing in the ipod sim |
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| 09:00:33 | JdGordon | unless you want to make the yes/no a special case, i tihnk it should be checking for aciton_std_accept which is on/play, it could check for action_std_select also, but then you have 2+ buttons for the screen whih isnt good |
| 09:01:16 | LinusN | and why couldn't action_std_accept be Navi? |
| 09:01:36 | LinusN | looks like having the same keymap for h100 and h300 is a bad idea |
| 09:01:47 | Bg3r | LinusN: huh, why ? |
| 09:02:11 | LinusN | because we might want action_std_accept to be navi on the h100 and play on the h300 |
| 09:02:23 | * | JdGordon thinks the signalscreenchange function needs tweaking |
| 09:03:38 | LinusN | u sure? |
| 09:03:50 | JdGordon | if ((last_button&BUTTON_REPEAT) || |
| 09:03:51 | JdGordon | (last_button&(~BUTTON_REL) ) |
| 09:04:16 | JdGordon | so it eats the button_rel event |
| 09:04:56 | JdGordon | actually the first check is prob not even neded then |
| 09:05:31 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 09:06:36 | JdGordon | yup, its not |
| 09:07:20 | LinusN | looks reasonable |
| 09:08:44 | JdGordon | LinusN: youd rather have the yes button be on the joystick?? it looks like you could easily pres it accidently instead of moving it in a direction. i tinhk the inconvienice on the play button would be a bonus |
| 09:09:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, it's a valid point |
| 09:10:03 | LinusN | however, it's tricky to operate the h100 with one hand if you need Play to confirm, at least if you're right handed |
| 09:10:50 | JdGordon | hows that? isnt the play button under the thumb? |
| 09:11:02 | LinusN | my thumb is on the joystick |
| 09:11:09 | JdGordon | its abou the same position as the hold switch on the h300 no? |
| 09:11:45 | JdGordon | i could see how neeeding to move thumb off the joystick would be annoying tho |
| 09:12:05 | LinusN | especially when you have to loosen the grip of the player to move the thumb |
| 09:12:43 | LinusN | i even think that a yes/no dialog á la iriver of would be better |
| 09:12:55 | LinusN | of=OF |
| 09:14:44 | JdGordon | hmm... std_accept and st_select are only ever used in the same loop in the tree.. so maybe we can remove select and rename it action_tree_select or sometihgn? |
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| 09:16:13 | LinusN | i think the tree wants two actions |
| 09:16:30 | LinusN | one for "select", which does what it does today |
| 09:16:38 | JdGordon | ye, accept is used to go back to wps, select is select |
| 09:16:53 | LinusN | and another which performs an action of some kind, like queue |
| 09:17:14 | LinusN | so many people want one-click queue |
| 09:17:24 | JdGordon | queue and stuff will come after, for the moment we dont want to add any more buttons than there is already |
| 09:17:25 | LinusN | i think we'd better prepare for it |
| 09:17:35 | LinusN | i agree |
| 09:18:18 | LinusN | i thought the x5 keymap was cumbersome when changing settings |
| 09:18:24 | JdGordon | ok, im going to change action_std_accept to action_std_select and add a action_tree_wps |
| 09:18:32 | LinusN | that you had to explicitly confirm the setting |
| 09:19:17 | JdGordon | ? how does it work atm? |
| 09:20:05 | LinusN | the standard behaviour is to leave the setting dialog with Left |
| 09:20:20 | LinusN | but with your keymap, it cancels when you leave with left |
| 09:21:00 | JdGordon | how do you cancel the change? or cant you? |
| 09:21:05 | LinusN | so now i have leave the setting with the Play button |
| 09:21:36 | LinusN | i don't know how we cancel a setting on the x5 in the current rockbox |
| 09:21:48 | LinusN | (i'm using the action patch atm) |
| 09:22:06 | LinusN | how is the iriver keymap in your patch? |
| 09:22:32 | LinusN | do you use std_accept to accept a setting? |
| 09:23:32 | JdGordon | ye, and std_cancel is left which is cancel, but they could be easily changed |
| 09:23:56 | JdGordon | hmm... maybe std_ext and std_cancel need to be merged also |
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| 09:25:20 | LinusN | i think using std_accept to leave a setting is a pain |
| 09:26:18 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:26:31 | LinusN | at least if std_accept is Play |
| 09:26:46 | LinusN | the play button is even worse placed on the x5 |
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| 09:28:58 | NastY | QUESTION: My jukebox 20GB has bust. Lights up but the harddrive does'nt seem to fire up. Can I exchange the harddrive for a 40GB laptop disk? Does that work? |
| 09:29:06 | LinusN | yes |
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| 09:29:24 | LinusN | are you sure that it is the harddrive that is broken? |
| 09:29:37 | Bagder | NastY: as long as its 9.5mm and not the oldish thicker ones |
| 09:29:38 | NastY | LinusN: not sure but I think so. |
| 09:29:57 | jn- | how do i shut down rb? i know how to restart (ipod photo) |
| 09:30:12 | Mikachu | hold plya |
| 09:30:23 | NastY | LinusN: It starts but when the "loading meter" is half way through or something it halts and makes some klicking noises. |
| 09:30:43 | JdGordon | LinusN: merging std_accept and std_select seems to have worked, except im getting eaten keys in the ipod sim, but thats probably a bad mapping |
| 09:31:00 | NastY | LinusN: And the disk does'nt seem to be spinning. |
| 09:31:15 | LinusN | NastY: it could very well be the power supply |
| 09:31:27 | NastY | LinusN: to the disk? |
| 09:31:41 | LinusN | yes, for example broken battery connectors |
| 09:32:09 | LinusN | NastY: is it a v2/fm version or a plain recorder? |
| 09:33:10 | NastY | What's v2/fm? Radio and stuff? Mine is old as shit, can record. |
| 09:33:19 | LinusN | NastY: ok, try this: |
| 09:33:41 | LinusN | squeeze the bumpers so you compress the battery compartment |
| 09:34:09 | LinusN | then turn it on (with your nose or something, as your hands are busy squeezing) :-) |
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| 09:34:30 | Mikachu | LinusN: this sounds very scientific |
| 09:34:34 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:34:54 | NastY | just push all for towards the center like? Or do you mean pushing them together between thumb and index finger? :) |
| 09:34:55 | LinusN | NastY: it could also be the mosfet that controls the hd power that is broken |
| 09:35:07 | NastY | LinusN: What is that? |
| 09:35:14 | Bagder | an experienced Archos user have a very hard nose for this purpose |
| 09:35:16 | NastY | LinusN: mosfet |
| 09:35:23 | LinusN | a transistor |
| 09:35:24 | NastY | haha |
| 09:35:55 | * | Bagder has been down this road |
| 09:35:57 | LinusN | NastY: so you squeeze the batteries together |
| 09:36:34 | LinusN | NastY: since you hear no sound from the hd, it might very well be the mosfet |
| 09:36:59 | LinusN | but it's always a good idea to check the battery connectors first, as they are very often loose |
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| 09:43:35 | NastY | Ok, I've found it. I'll try the squeeze. |
| 09:43:48 | JdGordon | ok, so now you can use navi or right or on/play in the yesno screen (which isnt really so good) |
| 09:44:08 | NastY | Bollocks! Batteries are flat. |
| 09:44:32 | NastY | LinusN: Thanks for your help, I'll be back when I've charged me batteries. |
| 09:45:20 | LinusN | NastY: good luck |
| 09:45:39 | LinusN | JdGordon: no, that's not good |
| 09:45:52 | NastY | Cheers. |
| 09:45:57 | JdGordon | or we give the yesno screen its own context? |
| 09:46:04 | LinusN | or perhaps the settings screen |
| 09:46:15 | * | NastY is gone. bbl |
| 09:46:36 | JdGordon | na, its ok to have all those options in the settings context, just not the yes no screen |
| 09:46:48 | LinusN | i like being able to cancel a setting, but not having to confirm it |
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| 09:47:42 | JdGordon | ok, so map left and select all to OK and then off to cancel and you can |
| 09:49:32 | LinusN | in the settings context |
| 09:49:48 | JdGordon | ye |
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| 09:50:32 | LinusN | it's nice that we now have a better way to remap the buttons |
| 09:50:53 | Mikachu | you don't need 3 miles of #ifdef CONFIG_KEYPAD in plugins now? |
| 09:51:04 | JdGordon | yes in plugins |
| 09:51:09 | LinusN | in the plugins, yes |
| 09:51:10 | JdGordon | but that will be gone soon |
| 09:51:43 | LinusN | the first thing we need to do with the plugins is to use the rockbox menu functions instead of all those home baked ones |
| 09:52:00 | * | preglow back |
| 09:52:07 | * | LinusN greets preglow |
| 09:52:11 | preglow | hi all |
| 09:52:14 | Mikachu | yes, i'm always confused by all the different menus |
| 09:52:26 | LinusN | so silly and so unnecessary |
| 09:52:31 | Bagder | welcome back preglow |
| 09:52:43 | * | LinusN does the norwegian hacker dance |
| 09:52:46 | preglow | hahaha |
| 09:52:49 | Mikachu | in theory, could you take the home baked ones and plug them in to the rb api and have an option to select menu style? |
| 09:52:54 | Bagder | oh, that's a rare one! |
| 09:53:02 | preglow | i've never seen it before myself |
| 09:53:47 | LinusN | Mikachu: i want to be able to customize the gui look |
| 09:53:55 | LinusN | in the themes |
| 09:54:04 | preglow | that would be lovely |
| 09:54:12 | LinusN | that includes the menus and the status bar |
| 09:54:17 | Bagder | just don't tell amiconn ;-) |
| 09:54:28 | * | LinusN edits the log |
| 09:54:38 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 09:54:52 | JdGordon | the status bar should be wpsified :D menus are fine as text |
| 09:55:12 | LinusN | i'm talking about the scroll bar and the cursor |
| 09:55:37 | LinusN | i also want a title for all menus and settings |
| 09:56:11 | LinusN | even a title for the browser, telling me which dir i'm in |
| 09:56:17 | JdGordon | hell ye :D |
| 09:56:41 | LinusN | configurable of course, as we want to conserve screen estate on the smaller lcd's |
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| 09:57:55 | JdGordon | ok, yes in the yesno screen is navi for both irivers |
| 09:58:27 | JdGordon | so the commit wasnt a waste :D |
| 09:58:31 | LinusN | lol |
| 09:59:48 | Bg3r | :P |
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| 10:01:42 | JdGordon | damn the iriver keymap file is getting huge |
| 10:01:47 | JdGordon | too many remotes |
| 10:01:56 | Bg3r | :D |
| 10:02:02 | Bg3r | did you add the non-lcd one ? :) |
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| 10:02:38 | Bg3r | hm |
| 10:02:58 | Bg3r | it has only <<, >>, vol-, vol+, and play/pause ... |
| 10:03:00 | Bg3r | as i see it |
| 10:03:03 | Bg3r | in the tree |
| 10:03:15 | Bg3r | << = prev entry |
| 10:03:18 | Bg3r | >> = next entry |
| 10:03:21 | Mikachu | did the frontpage stick? |
| 10:03:28 | Bg3r | hm |
| 10:04:01 | JdGordon | no, not yet |
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| 10:05:01 | Bg3r | petur: ;) |
| 10:05:06 | Bg3r | okay |
| 10:05:17 | petur | hey |
| 10:05:36 | Bg3r | how should we allocate these buttons in the file tree/menu ? |
| 10:05:44 | Bg3r | petur: wazzz upp |
| 10:06:08 | petur | Bg3r: just got back from holiday :D |
| 10:06:45 | Bg3r | which is used more frequently - entry up/ entry down, or dir up/dir down (dir also means menu ...) |
| 10:06:47 | petur | will need a week to cacth up with what changed at rockbox ;) |
| 10:06:51 | Bg3r | hehe |
| 10:06:54 | Bg3r | very good |
| 10:07:09 | Bg3r | didn't happen SO much |
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| 10:07:24 | Bg3r | except the action stuff |
| 10:07:34 | Bg3r | LinusN, JdGordon ? |
| 10:07:46 | Bg3r | petur ? |
| 10:07:49 | JdGordon | ? |
| 10:07:55 | Bg3r | see my question |
| 10:08:07 | JdGordon | i have no idea |
| 10:08:11 | JdGordon | 50:50 prob |
| 10:08:18 | Bg3r | that's bad |
| 10:08:19 | Bg3r | because |
| 10:08:26 | Bg3r | we have 4 buttons for this |
| 10:08:36 | Bg3r | and 2 of them aren't very good (vol+/vol-) |
| 10:08:38 | JdGordon | vol+- can be one of them and << >> can be the other |
| 10:08:46 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:09:07 | Bg3r | but have you ever seen the non lcd remote ?:) |
| 10:09:09 | LinusN | i don't like that silly remote |
| 10:09:09 | linuxstb | petur: It's not in CVS yet, but ipod recording is working - on both the 4g and 5g. |
| 10:09:18 | JdGordon | hmm... we can worry about that soon.. right now im trying to figure out why my buttons are getting eaten :p |
| 10:09:21 | dongs | 'recording'? |
| 10:09:29 | petur | linuxstb: nice |
| 10:09:51 | midkay | dongs: does that not make sense? |
| 10:09:54 | dongs | no |
| 10:09:58 | dongs | how do you record on ipod |
| 10:09:59 | linuxstb | petur: The main problem stopping me from committing is that recording breaks playback... |
| 10:10:11 | Bg3r | ah, linuxstb, sorry, forgot about this one |
| 10:10:22 | midkay | linuxstb: haha, that might be something you'd want to consider before committing, yeah :) |
| 10:10:25 | midkay | what's the problem? |
| 10:10:26 | scorche` | dongs: through the left headphone channel i believe |
| 10:10:27 | preglow | hah |
| 10:10:31 | dongs | hurm |
| 10:10:39 | dongs | scorche`: works on any ipod? or what |
| 10:11:20 | scorche` | linuxstb: did he ever get that to work on nano?...or was it only static? |
| 10:11:25 | linuxstb | dongs: On the 4g Greyscale and Photo/Color, you can record via the right channel in the headphone socket, and also in Stereo via the line-in hidden in the dock connector. On the 5g, it's just via the line-in in the dock. |
| 10:11:51 | scorche` | ah...right....well, it was 50/50 =( |
| 10:11:52 | dongs | and i guess on nano, it just doenst happen. |
| 10:11:56 | dongs | amirite? |
| 10:12:17 | linuxstb | scorche`: The headphone recording doesn't work on the Nano - someone with a line-in adapter needs to test that, but I've got a feeling there's no recording hardware in the Nano. |
| 10:12:34 | scorche` | same...but it was worth a try |
| 10:12:47 | preglow | any idea why recording breaks playback? |
| 10:13:17 | * | petur was wondering the same |
| 10:13:47 | petur | maybe the monitoring? |
| 10:13:58 | linuxstb | I'm either not reinitialising the DAC properly, or it's something to do with I2S... I haven't tried to debug it properly yet. |
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| 10:15:23 | preglow | and you've disabled the fast fiq handler? |
| 10:16:03 | linuxstb | preglow: I also implemented RoLo, but seem to be having cache problems. The code in CVS works if you rolo the exact same rockbox.ipod that you are running. It can rolo a different rockbox.ipod if you build Rockbox without the cache enabled. But with the cache enabled, it will just crash... |
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| 10:16:39 | Bagder | btw, there's _some_ progress on the Sansa BL dissassembling but I've not yet tried to verify the findings |
| 10:16:51 | Bagder | like the LCD access |
| 10:17:05 | preglow | linuxstb: how nice |
| 10:17:09 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, the fiq should be disabled. Rockbox doesn't crash, but I think the FIQ is never being fired during playback (if you do a recording first). Playback still works fine if you never record. |
| 10:17:55 | Bagder | the PP BL seems to be C++ coded, lots of indirections |
| 10:18:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes, the IPL people have mentioned that. |
| 10:19:38 | preglow | Bagder: nice... |
| 10:19:48 | preglow | oh well |
| 10:19:58 | preglow | efficiency isn't _that_ important in the bl, i guess |
| 10:20:10 | Bagder | and the H10 skinning people have gone wild |
| 10:20:50 | JdGordon | is the bricked h10 getting rma'd? |
| 10:20:56 | JdGordon | or was it fixed? |
| 10:20:58 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 10:21:06 | Bagder | I hope he sorts it out |
| 10:21:15 | linuxstb | Last I heard it was going back to iriver - he had about 3 days left on his warranty. |
| 10:21:16 | aliask | I think he was getting it RMA'd - his warantee ran out today |
| 10:22:41 | aliask | It's strange about it bricking though, it seemed like it was working so well - and people were suggesting it was going to be one of those 'impossible to brick' players... |
| 10:23:33 | Bagder | I agree |
| 10:23:48 | Bagder | very strange problem |
| 10:24:36 | linuxstb | Maybe just a co-incidence... Although he was possibly stressing the hard drive with constant rebooting and installing new firmware images. |
| 10:25:48 | aliask | Wait - isn't the sansa flash based? |
| 10:25:53 | aliask | Oh wait |
| 10:25:54 | aliask | Sorry |
| 10:25:57 | LinusN | anybody who wants to give this a look? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5742 |
| 10:26:03 | LinusN | hi aliask :-) |
| 10:26:13 | aliask | Hallo linus |
| 10:26:23 | aliask | I do! |
| 10:26:26 | aliask | :) |
| 10:27:07 | LinusN | aliask: does it work on all targets? |
| 10:27:29 | LinusN | aliask: psst, it's spelled "extension" ;-) |
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| 10:27:52 | aliask | Shh, maybe noone will notice... :) |
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| 10:28:17 | jn- | hey im having a problem loading themes in the newest build of ipod-color |
| 10:28:20 | aliask | I'll have to check it for other targets, give me a tick. |
| 10:28:25 | safetydan | aliask, also there's some tab vs spaces issue in that patch |
| 10:28:31 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, ive cheated a bit, but its working better now, except for some reason its eating button presses more than it shoulld |
| 10:28:36 | LinusN | aliask: especially the player |
| 10:28:51 | aliask | safetydan: Damnit - I thought I'd weeded them all out |
| 10:28:56 | LinusN | JdGordon: when does it eat them? |
| 10:28:59 | aliask | Stupid vim... |
| 10:29:08 | JdGordon | its more random now |
| 10:29:42 | jn- | have you guys been hearing about this problem with the new daily build? should i revert to an older one? |
| 10:29:55 | safetydan | jn-, what problem? |
| 10:30:01 | safetydan | oh wait |
| 10:30:02 | safetydan | sorry |
| 10:30:06 | * | safetydan tries reading next time |
| 10:30:10 | jn- | loading themes |
| 10:30:21 | LinusN | jn-: what happens when you load the theme? |
| 10:30:24 | jn- | new daily build ipod color, i have a photo |
| 10:30:24 | Mikachu | you haven't actually said what the problem is |
| 10:30:24 | jn- | nothing |
| 10:30:32 | jn- | the theme does not load... |
| 10:30:45 | JdGordon | first press going into a new menu is eaten |
| 10:30:59 | JdGordon | sometimes.. |
| 10:31:08 | jn- | the default theme ends up running no matter what theme i load |
| 10:31:37 | jn- | the font changes though :/ |
| 10:31:42 | JdGordon | no, its maybe the button_rel check which is wrong |
| 10:31:58 | LinusN | jn-: that proves that the theme is loaded |
| 10:32:08 | jn- | mm.. nothing's changed but the font |
| 10:32:21 | jn- | i tried jolt for example which is a full gui overhaul |
| 10:32:44 | LinusN | jn-: have you tried to reinstall the jolt theme? |
| 10:32:49 | jn- | im gonna try an older build unless someone has a better idea.. |
| 10:32:51 | jn- | yes i have |
| 10:33:01 | jn- | ive also tried the themes that came with it |
| 10:33:12 | jn- | with the modified fw from j i can load his theme np |
| 10:33:16 | jn- | but it freezes |
| 10:33:32 | jn- | after 5 min or more |
| 10:33:57 | safetydan | jn-, theme loading works in the sim... haven't got a current build on an actual target |
| 10:34:17 | jn- | i'll try a older version.. |
| 10:34:51 | jn- | do you know a build that for sure load's themes |
| 10:34:59 | jn- | how far back should i go? |
| 10:35:04 | LinusN | jn-: the thing is that it should work |
| 10:35:30 | jn- | i dont know.. it's installed correctly |
| 10:35:49 | jn- | the default themes haven't been touched |
| 10:35:54 | jn- | so.. |
| 10:36:05 | jn- | they should load right? no extra conf nec |
| 10:36:19 | LinusN | try the icatcher theme |
| 10:36:25 | jn- | does not work |
| 10:36:30 | Mikachu | also try selecting the wps file directly |
| 10:36:31 | LinusN | odd |
| 10:37:03 | jn- | oh shit |
| 10:37:09 | jn- | works :) |
| 10:37:21 | Mikachu | maybe the files just have the wrong case? |
| 10:37:33 | jn- | sorry guys, im quick to jump to conclusions, i was just looking at the menu's |
| 10:37:38 | Mikachu | right, that won't matter on fat |
| 10:37:46 | Mikachu | it should still work when you select the theme .cfg |
| 10:37:51 | jn- | they work |
| 10:37:52 | jn- | :)))) |
| 10:37:57 | LinusN | ??? |
| 10:38:23 | Mikachu | hah, i see |
| 10:38:30 | Mikachu | you selected the theme, but didn't go to the wps screen |
| 10:38:43 | jn- | lol i didnt know that was the only thing that was changed |
| 10:39:12 | LinusN | currently, only the wps is configurable |
| 10:39:38 | Mikachu | i think themes can also change the menu/filebrowser background picture |
| 10:39:54 | petur | and font |
| 10:40:04 | jn- | it's a shame that j's theme rely's on his custom build (that crashes) cause the wpa screen is VERY nice |
| 10:40:19 | jn- | and the other stuff is configured too |
| 10:41:22 | jn- | has there been many reports of crashes on the latest builds? |
| 10:42:24 | LinusN | JdGordon: so what's the current status? |
| 10:42:31 | aliask | Any vim gurus out there that can stop it autoinserting tabs? (for bonus points indent using four spaces) |
| 10:42:37 | linuxstb | jn-: The 4g ipod and ipod Color have been crashing randomly for a while - no-one's tracked down the cause yet. But as I'm the only dev with either of those ipods, it's on my to-do list.... |
| 10:42:56 | linuxstb | jn-: The problem is that it's apparently quite random, and hard to reproduce. |
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| 10:43:11 | Mikachu | aliask: :set sts=4 i think |
| 10:43:12 | JdGordon | LinusN: im playing with the button eating to see whats happening, it seems to like eating normal presses even if the triggereing press was from a BUTTON_REL key |
| 10:43:17 | Bg3r | aliask: |
| 10:43:23 | Bg3r | set expandtab |
| 10:43:23 | Bg3r | set tabstop=4 |
| 10:43:29 | Mikachu | or maybe that |
| 10:43:35 | jn- | linuxstb: the crashes? |
| 10:43:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: perhaps a keymapping prereq issue? |
| 10:44:02 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Not sure if you read my comment in IRC immediately after you disappeared about 8 hours ago - but on the ipods, FFWD in the WPS doesn't work properly. It skips to the next track, and then starts fast forwarding. |
| 10:44:10 | linuxstb | (with your action patch, obviously) |
| 10:44:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:44:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i did, you didnt read my reply obviously :D |
| 10:44:33 | Mikachu | aliask: yes Bg3r is right, ignore me |
| 10:44:40 | JdGordon | well have to figure out whats hapenjing there |
| 10:44:41 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I went to sleep immediately afterwards. |
| 10:44:45 | aliask | Ok, thanks both of you :) |
| 10:44:45 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:44:49 | * | linuxstb reads the log again |
| 10:44:52 | JdGordon | LinusN: no, i dont tinhk so |
| 10:45:06 | LinusN | what did you change in the code? |
| 10:45:07 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i just replied that it should have been fixed and not sure |
| 10:45:27 | JdGordon | the check before starting to eat, so it must have been wrong |
| 10:45:50 | jn- | linuxstb: can i msg you please? |
| 10:46:48 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, its back to what it was (which looks wrong to me), but its working |
| 10:47:16 | JdGordon | so once again, i tinhk we are good to go :) |
| 10:47:41 | LinusN | ok, update the patch in the wiki, and i'll have a look at it later |
| 10:47:51 | JdGordon | except the mappings, and this issue with ffwd/rwd not working on ipod |
| 10:51:13 | LinusN | i think it's pretty important that we don't break things too much on the initial commit |
| 10:51:54 | JdGordon | wiki updated |
| 10:52:03 | LinusN | goodie |
| 10:52:42 | JdGordon | off the top of my head the only things broken are F* keys, radio preset menu, and no delete bookmarks |
| 10:53:45 | LinusN | the radio screen is a general mess |
| 10:53:45 | JdGordon | all targets should compile cleanly now tho |
| 10:53:49 | JdGordon | yep |
| 10:53:57 | LinusN | what's the prob with delete bookmarks? |
| 10:54:08 | JdGordon | wasnt sure which button to use for it |
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| 10:54:22 | LinusN | well, which button is it now? |
| 10:54:49 | JdGordon | dunno, std_cancel is used to exit the screen, and std_ok selects it |
| 10:55:16 | JdGordon | so it will probably need another context for it, but thats ok... |
| 10:55:49 | JdGordon | i could put std_menu there for the delete? |
| 10:55:58 | LinusN | or maybe we need to clean up the ui for the bookmarks? |
| 10:56:15 | JdGordon | or context |
| 10:56:22 | JdGordon | yes, thats a better idea :) |
| 10:56:45 | LinusN | new context is probably a good idea in the short term |
| 10:57:17 | LinusN | this new action concept will be a nice eye opener for the ui in general |
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| 10:58:37 | Bagder | LinusN: as Mr "Target Tree", it would be neat if you could check the H10 patch |
| 10:58:57 | Bagder | 5731 |
| 10:59:45 | * | JdGordon loves how the gui thread crashes but the backlight still works |
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| 11:00:00 | Bg3r | JdGordon: :D |
| 11:00:55 | Bagder | (I'm interested in adding Sansa to build system) |
| 11:01:06 | Bagder | for easier experimenting |
| 11:03:02 | LinusN | Bagder: looks ok, apart from some small misunderstandings |
| 11:03:18 | LinusN | i'll have a look and commit the parts that are ok |
| 11:03:27 | Bagder | thanks |
| 11:04:02 | JdGordon | and do the dirwalker patch also...... |
| 11:04:10 | JdGordon | i mean.... if you want to :D |
| 11:04:14 | * | LinusN is suddenly swamped with work :-) |
| 11:04:34 | LinusN | i'd like to have a second opinion on the dirwalker. i think it looks ok. |
| 11:05:03 | * | JdGordon is happy with the h300 main unit button mappings |
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| 11:14:41 | JdGordon | i tinhk the yesno screen is broken |
| 11:15:00 | JdGordon | or maybe on when its called by tree because of new rockbox.iriver |
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| 11:18:13 | LinusN | btw, i was thinking about the target tree and bootloaders |
| 11:18:52 | LinusN | maybe it would be enough to do like the ipod (and now h10) bootloader does, by having a separate file for each target |
| 11:19:10 | linuxstb | LinusN: Are you talking about the code in bootloader/ ? |
| 11:19:13 | LinusN | ipod.c, iriver_hxxx.c, iaudio-x5.c etc |
| 11:19:22 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes |
| 11:20:51 | linuxstb | I was thinking that maybe a file such as "common.c" or "boot.c" could be used for common functions such as load_rockbox() - that should be identical everywhere. |
| 11:21:23 | jn- | quick question, how do i delete the mp3's installed in the apple os.. i have them backed up and am going to add them to rb |
| 11:21:40 | LinusN | linuxstb: something like that, yes |
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| 11:24:18 | JdGordon | linuxstb: how do u go back to wps and stop playback in the tree browser? |
| 11:24:39 | LinusN | Play goes to wps iirc |
| 11:26:13 | JdGordon | and im assuming hold play to stop then? |
| 11:26:16 | LinusN | and long_play stops, right? |
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| 11:26:47 | LinusN | i'm not sure i like that feature btw, to stop the playback in the browser |
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| 11:26:59 | LinusN | feels so half-baked |
| 11:27:03 | JdGordon | y? |
| 11:27:28 | LinusN | i mean, you can't stop the playback in the manus, only in the browser |
| 11:27:32 | LinusN | menus |
| 11:27:37 | LinusN | why there? |
| 11:27:50 | LinusN | why not just go to the wps and stop there? |
| 11:27:53 | JdGordon | but some people leave it in the tree, noone leaves it intentionally in the menu |
| 11:28:07 | midkay | i do occasionally to let the buffer fill up..! |
| 11:28:07 | midkay | :) |
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| 11:28:38 | JdGordon | in the menu or tree? |
| 11:28:44 | midkay | menu.. |
| 11:28:56 | JdGordon | ipod map looks good in the sim, can anyone test on target? |
| 11:29:03 | midkay | in fact i idle in the menu a lot of the time just to let it keep up with itself better (less CPU usage than the oft-updating WPS). |
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| 11:29:36 | jn- | so um.. how can i get rid of the mp3's that were on my ipod before installing rb? |
| 11:29:50 | midkay | jn-: from iTunes? |
| 11:29:55 | jn- | ephpod |
| 11:30:01 | midkay | .. from ephPod? |
| 11:30:04 | jn- | yes |
| 11:30:09 | midkay | i mean, delete them from ephPod. |
| 11:30:09 | midkay | :) |
| 11:30:27 | jn- | can i just del a folder? |
| 11:30:42 | jn- | w/o running ephpod |
| 11:30:43 | linuxstb | jn-: You can just delete the ipod_control directory if you're not planning on using the Apple firmware. |
| 11:30:50 | jn- | mm |
| 11:30:59 | jn- | ok |
| 11:31:08 | jn- | linuxstb: can i msg you about something? |
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| 11:31:23 | linuxstb | The Apple firmware will just recreate it next time you start it - but obviously without any music. |
| 11:31:41 | linuxstb | jn-: OK, but if it's Rockbox related, you could just ask here. |
| 11:31:59 | JdGordon | what button is yes in the yesno screen on recorder? |
| 11:32:02 | JdGordon | play? |
| 11:32:08 | midkay | yeah. |
| 11:32:50 | JdGordon | ta |
| 11:33:55 | nudelyn | hi midkay. i think my messages to you get blocked but i am here :) |
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| 11:35:10 | JdGordon | and ondio? |
| 11:35:12 | midkay | hey nudelyn - haha, better register at some point :) i just saw you come in - you're nudel, as in the nudel 5g theme, right? - didn't want to bother the channel, but are you involved with any mapping communities? :) |
| 11:35:44 | nudelyn | i made half a quakeworld CTF map once but never released/finished it, that's about it |
| 11:36:13 | midkay | ah, k.. 'cos i see this "nudel" guy around in a lot of mapping places, was curious if it happened to be you :) |
| 11:37:27 | nudelyn | hehe, there's a few nudels now... damn internet, making you feel unoriginal all the time. (I guess choosing a german word for a name was quite likely to clash eventually.. :)) |
| 11:38:01 | midkay | haha, oh, really, it's a german word? what's it mean? :) |
| 11:38:53 | LinusN | btw, we will need a charging screen in the h300 bootloader |
| 11:38:55 | preglow | noodle? :> |
| 11:39:13 | midkay | haha, should have guessed.. is that right? :) |
| 11:39:23 | LinusN | anyone care to draw a nice animation? |
| 11:39:31 | midkay | ooh. |
| 11:39:42 | midkay | so you'll use bitmaps? |
| 11:39:46 | midkay | i wouldn't mind trying one.. |
| 11:40:06 | LinusN | yes, 4-5 bitmaps would be ok |
| 11:40:21 | JdGordon | LinusN: any chance of getting alaram wakeup into the next h300 bootloader? |
| 11:40:25 | midkay | cool.. hmm.. anything in mind? |
| 11:40:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
| 11:40:41 | petur | I'd rather see the animation as is used in the status bar: shows animation plus level |
| 11:40:45 | LinusN | midkay: only a simple, filling battery, standard style |
| 11:40:51 | JdGordon | yes as in if someone does a patch its in? or yes its being worked on? |
| 11:40:56 | LinusN | petur: sure, why not? |
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| 11:41:07 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, i'm working on it |
| 11:41:10 | JdGordon | midkay: do the rockbox logo inside a battery being filled |
| 11:41:14 | JdGordon | awesome :D |
| 11:41:19 | midkay | JdGordon: hahaha. :D |
| 11:41:27 | midkay | LinusN: hmm.. what sort of size will it be? |
| 11:41:52 | LinusN | the size you make it :-) |
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| 11:41:54 | midkay | not sure how much it should fill the screen.. i guess you want a few lines for battery status/voltage/that stuff.. |
| 11:41:56 | midkay | haha. :) |
| 11:42:05 | midkay | what sort of size ought i to make it? :) |
| 11:42:07 | LinusN | i don't want it too big though |
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| 11:42:34 | LinusN | just a battery icon that i can place in the center of the lcd |
| 11:42:57 | midkay | alright, maybe around like 120x50 roughly? |
| 11:43:04 | midkay | will probably have to tweak the aspect ratio.. |
| 11:43:05 | LinusN | maybe 1/2 to 1/3 of the lcd width |
| 11:43:10 | JdGordon | aaww.. we need at least one screen in the default install which isnt boring :) |
| 11:43:26 | petur | rofl |
| 11:43:39 | midkay | 100x50 maybe? 120x60 looks good, sizing it down to 100x50 would probably be just right then.. |
| 11:43:43 | LinusN | i'd also like a color usb logo |
| 11:43:57 | LinusN | and grayscale |
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| 11:44:06 | midkay | i'd like to try that too, but no promises :) |
| 11:44:13 | petur | and usb charging? |
| 11:44:18 | LinusN | petur: yes |
| 11:44:38 | Bg3r | LinusN: any probability for backlight not working non-stop in the bootloader of h300 ? |
| 11:44:49 | LinusN | huh? |
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| 11:45:11 | Bg3r | i mean |
| 11:45:19 | Bg3r | any possibility:) |
| 11:45:42 | LinusN | i don't get it. you mean that it is constantly on in the current version? |
| 11:45:47 | Bg3r | yes |
| 11:45:51 | LinusN | ah, i see |
| 11:46:15 | LinusN | maybe we should gather a todo list in IriverBoot |
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| 11:46:17 | Bg3r | my english as usual :) |
| 11:48:14 | JdGordon | ok, yesno screen is broken for some reason! |
| 11:48:55 | LinusN | broken, how? |
| 11:49:48 | midkay | LinusN: hm, the statusbar draws an animation from 0-100% and then pauses on the true value for a few seconds, right? |
| 11:50:01 | JdGordon | it doesnt work. no button gets registered |
| 11:50:01 | petur | no |
| 11:50:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: it doesn't return YESNO_NO anymore, why? |
| 11:50:15 | petur | it shows the current level in gray |
| 11:50:27 | midkay | aah... hmmm... |
| 11:50:46 | JdGordon | LinusN: no it doesnt return.. it seems to get stuck in the button loop |
| 11:51:02 | midkay | how would that integrate into the animation then? would you draw a gray rectangle for the current level and the transparent bitmap atop that? |
| 11:51:05 | LinusN | yes, that's because you removed result=YESNO_NO from the dafault: case |
| 11:52:13 | JdGordon | hehe, that would make sense :p |
| 11:52:42 | JdGordon | i tinhk i removed it thinking it was a button define |
| 11:53:42 | LinusN | JdGordon: a tip: when you wonder why something broke, check the patch |
| 11:53:55 | LinusN | that's how i saw it |
| 11:54:11 | JdGordon | k |
| 11:54:52 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 11:55:01 | midkay | aw, great. |
| 11:55:01 | midkay | :) |
| 11:55:29 | JdGordon | dinner, bbs |
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| 11:55:36 | midkay | all of a sudden everyone's gone! |
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| 12:01:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: To answer your question from a while ago, "stop playback in file browser" isn't implemented on the ipods. Just look for the definition of TREE_OFF in the current tree.h for the targets which do and don't implement that. |
| 12:04:23 | * | linuxstb wonders why people are so keen to have a sleep mode in Rockbox. |
| 12:07:25 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: For iPod users I'd say because that's how Apple firmware works. I use the IPL bootloader, which boots into the Apple firmware by default, and so whenever RB powers off it will reboot to the original firmware, unless I'm paying attention. |
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| 12:13:49 | nudelyn | DBITsucks1 |
| 12:13:52 | nudelyn | oops |
| 12:18:15 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting idea on the forums.. maybe i will adjust tagcache code so that it can detect and read any endianess |
| 12:18:23 | Slasheri | writing would still happen on the host endianess |
| 12:19:44 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Is it worth the increase in code size (and complexity) ? |
| 12:25:54 | safetydan | interesting results from profiling the sim |
| 12:26:35 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, i am not sure. but that would be quite useful if we want pc application to build the tagcache db |
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| 12:29:08 | Mikachu | isn't it easier to make the computer app take care of the endianness? |
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| 12:38:32 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Given that a PC application needs to read the files on your DAP, it could easily detect the endianness based on the files in .rockbox (or the rockbox.XXX in the root). |
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| 12:51:18 | Bagder | the app doesn't _need_ to read files off the DAP |
| 12:51:25 | Bagder | but it could |
| 12:52:57 | JdGordon | can anyone test the button mappings on any target other than iriver? |
| 12:53:20 | Mikachu | can't it just check what device it actually is? |
| 12:54:15 | Bagder | yes, if the endianess differ it will have to |
| 12:54:30 | Bagder | or get told |
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| 12:56:44 | linuxstb | Bagder: I'm not sure how many people maintain an identical copy of their DAP's hard drive on their PC.... |
| 12:57:21 | Mikachu | i don't, so that's 0/1 so far |
| 12:57:46 | Bagder | I do on 2 out of 3 |
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| 12:59:14 | midkay | i do... 3/4.. :) |
| 12:59:27 | JdGordon | i dont 3/5 |
| 12:59:36 | Mikachu | actually i think that makes 3/6 |
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| 12:59:52 | midkay | no, 4/6, right. |
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| 13:00:05 | Mikachu | no, 3/6 :) |
| 13:00:06 | midkay | i would with my iPod if tagcache didn't database all my ipod_control files.. dunno if that counts :) |
| 13:00:26 | linuxstb | I don't on four different DAPs - 3/10 |
| 13:00:28 | midkay | Mikachu: 0/1 -> 3/4 -> 4/5 -> 4/6.. |
| 13:00:44 | dan_a_ | I don't, so 3/11 |
| 13:00:46 | midkay | wait. |
| 13:00:51 | midkay | *stabs face* never mind. |
| 13:01:01 | Mikachu | that's okay, *hands over some bandaid* |
| 13:01:21 | midkay | hm, how about some medical tape and gauze.. in fact maybe a pillow would work best :) |
| 13:02:00 | midkay | it should probably be counted as one-per-person since if you're against the idea you won't do it for any of your players.. or if you like it, you'll probably do it to all of them or most of them.. |
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| 13:03:12 | linuxstb | But anyway... I would say it's up to Slasheri to judge how much this will complicate tagcache. I'm not arguing against the fact that making tagcache's binary files endian-neutral in some way would be a desirable feature, just that I'm not sure if the complication is worthwhile. |
| 13:03:35 | midkay | i don't even know what stemmed the question.. *reads up* :) |
| 13:03:35 | Mikachu | can't you make the format endianspecific and just have the conversion decided at compile time? |
| 13:03:49 | Mikachu | where by "can't" i mean "is it a good idea?" |
| 13:04:14 | linuxstb | Yes, that crossed my mind as well. So the binary files would also be (for example) big-endian, so little-endian targets would always have to byte-swap. |
| 13:04:22 | linuxstb | s/also be/always be/ |
| 13:04:48 | Mikachu | surely rb already has some generic functions to byteswap |
| 13:04:49 | JdGordon | that sounds like it would slow down tc a fair bit |
| 13:05:13 | JdGordon | if tc isnt loaded into ram its pretty slow, i wouldnt want it any slower than it is |
| 13:05:29 | Mikachu | what numbers are we byteswapping here anyway? |
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| 13:05:44 | linuxstb | gtg, back later. |
| 13:05:44 | dan_a_ | I would imagine that it's better to push the heavier processing onto machines with more power - i.e. where the app is, not on Rockbox |
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| 13:06:07 | JdGordon | ye, convert it to the targets endianness on the comp, |
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| 13:21:16 | JdGordon | noone wants to play guinea pig? |
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| 13:22:50 | sharpe` | not really. |
| 13:23:41 | dan_a_ | JdGordon: I can test on a 3g iPod in about 6 hours |
| 13:24:30 | sharpe` | i could test on an ipod video... |
| 13:25:20 | JdGordon | ye? ill do a build for ya then |
| 13:25:22 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 13:25:26 | Mikachu | obo: initially to view larger jpg files while playing music |
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| 13:26:53 | JdGordon | ipod doesnt have rolo yet does it? |
| 13:27:10 | Mikachu | i think linuxstb mentioned he had it half working |
| 13:27:16 | sharpe` | indeed |
| 13:27:32 | JdGordon | sharpe`: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 13:27:57 | JdGordon | before you copy it on, can u tell me how big the current build is? |
| 13:28:03 | JdGordon | i mean the copy you have installed already |
| 13:28:22 | sharpe` | as soon as i figure out where my ipod is, sure. |
| 13:28:29 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 13:28:34 | JdGordon | ta |
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| 13:30:06 | Mcfloyd | hi ppl |
| 13:30:10 | sharpe | my current firmware size, 428496 bytes. |
| 13:30:21 | Mcfloyd | who can answer some dumb q's 4 me pls? |
| 13:30:28 | sharpe | we can. |
| 13:30:30 | JdGordon | is that cvs or custom build? |
| 13:30:33 | Mcfloyd | hehe pvt? |
| 13:30:45 | JdGordon | just ask in the chan |
| 13:30:47 | sharpe | Mcfloyd: you're better off just asking them |
| 13:30:51 | Mcfloyd | okay |
| 13:31:02 | sharpe | ah, i believe it's a cvs build... |
| 13:31:11 | JdGordon | hmm. ok |
| 13:31:17 | Mcfloyd | well after you installed rockbox on ur ipod can you still use itunes? |
| 13:31:22 | sharpe | yes |
| 13:31:27 | Mcfloyd | and anapod? |
| 13:31:30 | sharpe | JdGordon: so what am i testing? |
| 13:31:35 | sharpe | i would imagine so. |
| 13:31:39 | Mcfloyd | kewl |
| 13:32:00 | Mcfloyd | is there any other softa thats beta than anapod or itunes to use? |
| 13:32:22 | sharpe | i'm not one to ask, i don't use any ipod-specific software. |
| 13:32:27 | Febs | By "beta" do you mean "better"? Or "beta"? |
| 13:32:27 | Mikachu | with rockbox, you can just copy your music over |
| 13:32:35 | Mcfloyd | better soz |
| 13:32:37 | Mikachu | you don't have to use any special "softa" |
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| 13:32:45 | Mcfloyd | o ok |
| 13:32:48 | Febs | Please use standard English here. |
| 13:32:56 | rconan | Mcfloyd: what do you want your software to do? |
| 13:33:00 | Mcfloyd | so you can just copy it with its folders onto ur ipod? |
| 13:33:01 | JdGordon | sharpe: if the buttons all are corect |
| 13:33:05 | sharpe | Ah. |
| 13:33:08 | JdGordon | and does ffwd/rewind in the wps work |
| 13:33:13 | Mikachu | Mcfloyd: indeed |
| 13:33:16 | Mcfloyd | sweet |
| 13:33:23 | Mcfloyd | thx ppl |
| 13:33:27 | Mikachu | np2u |
| 13:33:29 | Mcfloyd | i'm gonna try it |
| 13:33:42 | Mcfloyd | cheerio!! |
| 13:33:42 | xorAxAx | standard inglish suckz0rz |
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| 13:34:02 | juxtap | engorish is fun mmkay |
| 13:34:19 | Mikachu | where is .za? |
| 13:34:22 | Mikachu | maybe he did his best |
| 13:34:33 | sharpe | JdGordon: ah, are the scroll wheel left and right supposed to be reversed? :) |
| 13:34:52 | juxtap | hmm, weird |
| 13:34:54 | juxtap | that's where i am from |
| 13:34:58 | juxtap | didn't even notice the .za |
| 13:35:09 | Mikachu | i guess he should know better english then |
| 13:35:10 | juxtap | i even once searched the channel logs for ".za" out of curiosity |
| 13:35:13 | juxtap | it's south africa |
| 13:35:24 | Mikachu | was .sa taken already? :) |
| 13:35:25 | JdGordon | sharpe: ok, ill fix that.. the sim has them backwards |
| 13:35:38 | Mikachu | ah, saudi arabia |
| 13:35:45 | juxtap | ya, saudi arabia |
| 13:35:57 | Febs | Regardless of where someone is from, surely they can type "for" instead of "4" and "your" instead of "ur." |
| 13:36:11 | JdGordon | y wud u say dat? |
| 13:36:14 | Galois | wtf |
| 13:36:20 | JdGordon | (that line was so hard to write :D ) |
| 13:36:27 | sharpe | JdGordon: fast forward and rewind... almost work. on fast foward, it skips to the next song and starts fast forwarding. on rewind, it skips to the beginiing of the song and stays until you release the key. |
| 13:36:42 | Febs | Every time I see that "ur" I voice it in my head as some sort of grunt. Like a caveman. |
| 13:36:45 | Galois | abbreviations ftw |
| 13:36:55 | juxtap | maybe he was ircing from his cellphone :p |
| 13:37:07 | JdGordon | sharpe: ok, thanks, that is soo wierd because the keys are exactly the same as h300 and it works perfectly :'( |
| 13:37:27 | sharpe | JdGordon: also i can't seem to exit from the wps, menu and select do not work apparently... |
| 13:38:26 | safetydan | Does audio playback in the sim work for anyone? |
| 13:38:48 | Mikachu | worked last time i tried, which was a couple of months ago |
| 13:39:00 | safetydan | same for me, now it's pretty stuttery |
| 13:39:23 | sharpe | ah. JdGordon, also, connecting the usb cable seems to freeze rockbox. :) |
| 13:39:40 | JdGordon | that shouldnt happen |
| 13:39:47 | pondlife | safetydan: H340 sim works here (under Cygwin) |
| 13:39:49 | JdGordon | .. obviously :p |
| 13:39:53 | sharpe | in the wps it did, i'll try again. |
| 13:40:00 | safetydan | pondlife, audio plays fine with no stuttering? |
| 13:40:05 | pondlife | Yes |
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| 13:40:09 | safetydan | interesting |
| 13:40:10 | sharpe | weird. not anymore. |
| 13:40:33 | * | JdGordon assumes its not his code that did it :D |
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| 13:40:53 | sharpe | probably not, but i've no idea what could've. :) |
| 13:41:01 | pondlife | I have noticed that occasionally sound is slowed and broken up a bit in the sim, but closing and restarting it fixes. |
| 13:41:18 | Mikachu | (i'm on linux) |
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| 13:41:20 | pondlife | As if the SDL audio init code doesn't always work first time perhaps? |
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| 13:41:47 | Mikachu | Simulator build selected |
| 13:41:48 | Mikachu | Build (S)DL version? (S) |
| 13:41:50 | Mikachu | what else? |
| 13:41:51 | pondlife | Maybe depends on which other audio apps I'm running, or have recently run. Or maybe Windows hibernate related? |
| 13:42:05 | JdGordon | Mikachu: the win32 and x11 options re hidden |
| 13:42:16 | JdGordon | probably not available for new targets anyway |
| 13:45:28 | Mikachu | as i suspected my crazy haxxings prevent me from building the sim :) |
| 13:46:17 | sharpe | haxxing? that's a new one. |
| 13:46:33 | Mikachu | it is like hacking, but more xes |
| 13:47:19 | sharpe | i see. |
| 13:48:12 | tucoz | hmm, no rasher or bluebrother around |
| 13:48:32 | sharpe | there is sharpe. but he's not very useful to many. |
| 13:48:45 | tucoz | happy happy, joy joy :) |
| 13:49:13 | tucoz | I am writing a macro for the references in the manual, but am not sure what the best wording is |
| 13:49:55 | sharpe | wording for what? |
| 13:50:09 | tucoz | As it is now, you write 'see \rockref{the_reference}' and it will be written as see 7 |
| 13:50:17 | tucoz | ... 7.1.2 (page 39) |
| 13:50:21 | tucoz | in the manaul |
| 13:50:41 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i found the ffwd/rwd problem, should be fixed now |
| 13:50:49 | Mikachu | got it to build now, testing |
| 13:50:50 | JdGordon | you too sharpe |
| 13:50:56 | sharpe | yay! |
| 13:50:58 | aliask | Any way to access LANG strings in a plugin? |
| 13:51:02 | tucoz | sharpe, should it be 'see section 7.1.2 (page 39) |
| 13:51:05 | Mikachu | 14.7% cpu |
| 13:51:13 | tucoz | instead |
| 13:51:17 | Mikachu | sdl_audio_callback: No Data. |
| 13:51:17 | Mikachu | sdl_audio_callback: No Data. |
| 13:51:20 | sharpe | i have no idea, at all. |
| 13:51:22 | Mikachu | when i get that the audio stops for a sec |
| 13:51:46 | tucoz | Febs, ah. You are here at least. What do you think? |
| 13:52:01 | JdGordon | aliask: that was supposed to come once langv2 came.. but its not done yet :( |
| 13:53:22 | markun | aliask: don't think it's possible |
| 13:53:40 | aliask | Back to static strings for me then! |
| 13:53:48 | safetydan | Mikachu, yeah that's the problem. Something's changed in the playback and the SDL kernel/queue/thread simulation is horking audio playback. |
| 13:53:55 | safetydan | anyway, I'll have to sleep on it |
| 13:53:57 | safetydan | night all |
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| 13:54:08 | JdGordon | sharpe: can u try another build plz? |
| 13:54:40 | Mikachu | "you" :P |
| 13:54:46 | * | Mikachu hides |
| 13:54:46 | JdGordon | sshhh!!! |
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| 13:56:33 | sharpe | JdGordon: sure |
| 13:56:54 | JdGordon | same link |
| 13:57:07 | JdGordon | all buttons should be correct now |
| 13:57:50 | sharpe | okay |
| 13:57:55 | JdGordon | ta |
| 13:58:51 | sharpe | indeed, they seem to be. :) |
| 13:59:05 | JdGordon | ffwd/rwd? |
| 13:59:12 | sharpe | yep |
| 13:59:15 | JdGordon | sweeet |
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| 13:59:27 | JdGordon | 2/6 targets complete :) |
| 13:59:35 | sharpe | that's like, one third. |
| 13:59:53 | JdGordon | sharpe: can you just check the eq settings wscreen and the colour chooser screen plz |
| 13:59:54 | JdGordon | ? |
| 13:59:59 | sharpe | sure |
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| 14:00:49 | sharpe | aye, they work |
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| 14:01:29 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 14:01:32 | JdGordon | thanks alot |
| 14:01:37 | sharpe | you're welcome |
| 14:01:54 | JdGordon | anyone with the recorder, ondio or x5 want to test also? |
| 14:02:30 | JdGordon | or player |
| 14:04:56 | JdGordon | bah, you all suck! |
| 14:05:08 | sharpe | :( |
| 14:05:08 | JdGordon | i guess ill start my ml assignment then |
| 14:05:15 | Bg3r | yeah;) |
| 14:05:25 | Bg3r | we all suck :D |
| 14:06:38 | sharpe | i have nothing to do for 14 hours! |
| 14:06:44 | JdGordon | sleep? |
| 14:06:58 | sharpe | that's what i'm doing in 14 hours. |
| 14:07:05 | * | petur hands some work to sharpe |
| 14:07:09 | Mikachu | watch a season of a series |
| 14:07:23 | sharpe | i could... |
| 14:07:55 | JdGordon | watch wonder showzen |
| 14:08:04 | JdGordon | funniest show i have ever seen |
| 14:08:14 | JdGordon | might need some beer and friends over to get the full effect tho |
| 14:08:22 | sharpe | never heard of it...? |
| 14:08:34 | filR | beer? *trigger* |
| 14:08:41 | JdGordon | google it, you can watch parts of the eps on the www |
| 14:08:51 | JdGordon | farking hilarious series mtv put out last year |
| 14:09:11 | JdGordon | filR: what player do you have? |
| 14:09:15 | sharpe | ah. |
| 14:09:20 | sharpe | hahah. |
| 14:09:42 | filR | JdGordon: ipod 30gb 5g. |
| 14:09:44 | JdGordon | its like R rated sesime street, but not actually r rated |
| 14:09:46 | JdGordon | bah |
| 14:09:51 | JdGordon | ok, you can go back to idling |
| 14:09:56 | filR | roger that. |
| 14:10:00 | * | filR ..idle |
| 14:10:24 | Mikachu | same keybinds for nano right? |
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| 14:10:40 | JdGordon | yup |
| 14:10:46 | Mikachu | i am off the hook |
| 14:13:12 | JdGordon | sharpe: umm, quick thing, did hitting left in the settings menus accept the change? |
| 14:13:18 | sharpe | ah |
| 14:13:35 | sharpe | any setting? |
| 14:13:38 | JdGordon | ye |
| 14:13:52 | sharpe | aye |
| 14:13:57 | JdGordon | brilliant |
| 14:14:03 | JdGordon | that should be it then |
| 14:15:15 | linuxstb_ | Isn't left/right used to select different sliders in the EQ and colour picker? |
| 14:15:24 | sharpe | si |
| 14:16:01 | linuxstb_ | So how can left also be used to accept a change? |
| 14:16:13 | linuxstb_ | (or am I missing something...) |
| 14:16:30 | sharpe | different mappings? |
| 14:18:03 | linuxstb_ | Of course - but my point is that they should be consistent. |
| 14:18:04 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: thats the whole tihng about the contexts, its brilliant (if i may say so for myself :D ) |
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| 14:18:20 | JdGordon | na, it works |
| 14:18:42 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: arnt those 2 screens special cases? |
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| 14:19:26 | linuxstb_ | But why have you chosen "left" to confirm a setting? What's wrong with SELECT? |
| 14:20:08 | sharpe | hasn't left always worked? |
| 14:20:14 | JdGordon | blame linus, he liked haveing left be able to go back and accept, SELECT also is accept, on ipod to cancel you press menu |
| 14:21:45 | linuxstb_ | sharpe: You're right - left has always worked :) But I just never thought about pressing it to confirm a setting change - I use SELECT. |
| 14:21:55 | sharpe | :) |
| 14:22:15 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: when customizable keys comes in you can change ti if u want :D |
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| 14:22:49 | tucoz | ooops. I just committed in one commit what I should have committed in two... |
| 14:22:55 | sharpe | customizable keys... for the menus and such? |
| 14:22:57 | linuxstb_ | But I would still argue in favour of a consistent choice for "confirm" and "cancel" that works in as many screens as possible. That rules out left/right, but leaves SELECT, MENU and PLAY. |
| 14:24:13 | JdGordon | menu is always cancel, select is always accept, left is either goto next setting or accept, you wont be able to get confused, because its obivous which is which |
| 14:25:05 | JdGordon | for some reason the colour picker / eq screens were harder to make work in the iriver than on ipod! |
| 14:25:11 | JdGordon | .. side note |
| 14:25:25 | tucoz | bluebrother, rasher: in case you read the logs. Maybe I was too quick on the trigger with my last commit. I was only going to commit the command, and not the changes to the text. However, I think the \rockref macro works as expected. Please let me know if you disagree. |
| 14:25:27 | petur | well, left could be 'back out' which is cancel, not accept |
| 14:27:03 | linuxstb_ | petur: I agree. But I think it would also be useful to try and eliminate cases where more than one key does the same thing. |
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| 14:27:16 | petur | imo, it's more logical if you explicitly need to press a key to accept rather than have it done for you automatically when using a navigation key |
| 14:27:46 | petur | probably is confusding for new users |
| 14:27:56 | petur | confusing too |
| 14:28:05 | linuxstb_ | But it's hard on the ipod to be consistent - there just aren't enough buttons... |
| 14:28:16 | petur | poor ipod users :p |
| 14:29:00 | sharpe | yeah, i'm torn inside by the dilemma... |
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| 14:30:27 | JdGordon | its really easy to make that user settable |
| 14:30:50 | JdGordon | without even having to stuff around with custom context mappings and stuff |
| 14:30:57 | sharpe | i mentioned that idea and Paul didn't like it. :\ |
| 14:31:48 | petur | user mapable keys are a horror story support-wise |
| 14:31:57 | JdGordon | well, we can make the option "left is cancel" or "left is accept" so its not really so hard to support |
| 14:32:01 | sharpe | that is true though. |
| 14:32:19 | JdGordon | especially when there is a set accept and a set cancel button on every target |
| 14:32:36 | petur | right, make it even more confusing :/ |
| 14:33:18 | JdGordon | ? thats not more confusing |
| 14:33:34 | JdGordon | also the option "left does nothing" |
| 14:33:35 | petur | was talking about the "left is cancel" or "left is accept" |
| 14:33:54 | JdGordon | ye, thats not really confusing.. the language would need fixing tho |
| 14:34:21 | petur | maybe some small visual indication of what it did... |
| 14:34:44 | JdGordon | not enough room on the smaller screen targets |
| 14:35:02 | sharpe | well, i'm off to do some things, i shall be back in a bit. |
| 14:35:09 | JdGordon | although the only screen it affects (the settings from the menus;'s) only uses 2 lines, so there is room, i guess... |
| 14:35:14 | sharpe | later everyone. |
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| 14:35:35 | Mikachu | you can't add an option for every little thing |
| 14:35:58 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 14:36:10 | linuxstb_ | I'm just saying it seems pointless for LEFT to be accept in 90% of places at the same time as SELECT is accept in 100% of places. |
| 14:36:29 | petur | what about an option that controls how options behave? |
| 14:36:34 | linuxstb_ | ^pointless and confusing |
| 14:37:06 | Mikachu | what about an option to have less options! |
| 14:37:20 | JdGordon | Mikachu: use a config file, and then you need no options! |
| 14:38:03 | Mikachu | if you have too many options, it will be harder to edit the config file than the source |
| 14:39:28 | JdGordon | how closely does the sim simulate the target? the x5 sim feels much slower than the other sims, and the drawing is very slow on the lcd also |
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| 14:49:50 | MbS | hey febs |
| 14:52:23 | JdGordon | is the ondiosp sim broken? |
| 14:52:49 | JdGordon | woops, did 6 not 7 in configure |
| 14:53:28 | tucoz | forum spam |
| 14:53:41 | tucoz | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=8e2ca5e0de1925741f9392d76897f8eb&topic=5581.msg43073#new |
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| 14:57:46 | Febs | already gone. :) |
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| 15:00:50 | Febs | How does one create a new directory in cvs? I need to add the file manual/working_with_patches/main.tex. The directory working_with_patches does not yet exist. |
| 15:02:18 | tucoz | create the directory and cvs add it |
| 15:02:40 | linuxstb_ | But be careful - a cvs add takes effect immediately - there's no commit needed. |
| 15:03:25 | midkay | linuxstb: no, you "add" then you have to "commit", right? i'm sure of it.. |
| 15:03:56 | Febs | Then let me make sure I'm getting this right. I'm in my rockbox-all/manual directory. Do I just need to "cvs add working_with_patches"? Or do I need to include the full path? |
| 15:04:01 | linuxstb_ | For files, yes. But not directories IIRC. |
| 15:04:07 | midkay | oh.. |
| 15:04:14 | tucoz | Febs, only the directory |
| 15:04:20 | Febs | patches/playlists |
| 15:04:24 | tucoz | so you are right |
| 15:05:18 | linuxstb_ | Also, a directory in CVS can never be deleted - so be sure you want it :) |
| 15:05:48 | preglow | (svn) |
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| 15:05:58 | * | linuxstb_ missed preglow :) |
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| 15:06:50 | preglow | with no one else around with the braindead persistance to state what needs stating over and over again, small wonder you did! |
| 15:07:31 | linuxstb_ | And there's been a sad lack of beer talk. |
| 15:07:44 | * | petur gets triggered |
| 15:07:50 | preglow | haha |
| 15:07:58 | preglow | just having been in england for a couple of weeks, i don't feel the need yet |
| 15:08:05 | preglow | i'll come around again |
| 15:08:32 | tucoz | when the norwegian fall sets in, I am sure we will here plenty of beer talk :) |
| 15:08:40 | preglow | looks like it have, here |
| 15:08:41 | tucoz | *har |
| 15:08:44 | tucoz | hear |
| 15:08:53 | preglow | first proper bout of rain i've seen for a month |
| 15:09:15 | preglow | woot, it just stopped! |
| 15:09:19 | tucoz | hehe |
| 15:09:19 | * | preglow runs to the shops |
| 15:10:49 | * | Febs looks at mmmm's iriver recording patch and wonders how long it will be before the first "OMFG Rockbox bricked my remote!" thread appears in the forums. |
| 15:11:28 | * | petur runs over to create one :) |
| 15:12:28 | tucoz | Febs, line 23 in your commit looks wrong. \setting{Playlist submenu}\ref:{playlist_submenu} |
| 15:12:49 | Febs | I'll fix it. |
| 15:12:54 | tucoz | cool |
| 15:13:05 | linuxstb_ | So how do the references look now? |
| 15:13:17 | tucoz | section 7.1.2 (page 39) |
| 15:13:21 | tucoz | in the pdf |
| 15:13:33 | tucoz | section 7.1.2 |
| 15:13:38 | tucoz | in the html |
| 15:13:41 | linuxstb_ | Are they hyperlinked in the PDF? |
| 15:13:43 | tucoz | yes |
| 15:14:00 | tucoz | the page numbering is mainly for printed manuals |
| 15:14:21 | linuxstb_ | Sounds perfect. |
| 15:14:33 | tucoz | good |
| 15:15:12 | tucoz | this is only when using the \rockref macro though |
| 15:15:48 | linuxstb_ | So potentially, it's perfect, but that macro isn't used everywhere yet? |
| 15:15:52 | tucoz | Febs, I also noticed a pageref in your commit ;) |
| 15:16:09 | tucoz | linuxstb, yes it is use in all places I could find |
| 15:16:20 | tucoz | that is, all places where I found a pageref |
| 15:17:24 | Febs | Ah, yes, I wrote that yesterday and didn't catch up with your changes from today! |
| 15:17:40 | tucoz | ah, you're too slow ;) |
| 15:18:31 | Febs | Seriously. I need more coffee but it's so damn hot here I don't think I can take a hot beverage. |
| 15:18:58 | Febs | Changing that reference to: (see page \rockref{ref:playlistoptions}). |
| 15:19:06 | tucoz | drop page |
| 15:19:13 | Febs | Right. |
| 15:19:22 | tucoz | where in the US are you? |
| 15:19:32 | Febs | Philadelphia. |
| 15:19:37 | tucoz | I heard that it was extremely hot in California |
| 15:20:29 | Febs | I haven't been there in a few months, but I've been to Denver and St. Louis, and it's pretty much hot everywhere. |
| 15:20:55 | Febs | Here, the heat index today is going to be over 100 degrees F. |
| 15:21:09 | Febs | And tomorrow is going to be worse. |
| 15:21:39 | * | tucoz googles 100 F in celsius |
| 15:21:53 | * | petur guesses 37 |
| 15:22:18 | tucoz | google says 37.38 |
| 15:22:22 | tucoz | 37.38 |
| 15:22:24 | tucoz | grrr |
| 15:22:30 | tucoz | 37.78 |
| 15:22:46 | tucoz | What is it with me and typing today? |
| 15:23:07 | Bg3r | Febs, tucoz: there is an error in the bootloader part of the manual |
| 15:23:09 | Lynx_ | i guess it's too hot to type |
| 15:23:39 | Febs | tucoz: the formatting for defining labels is still the same? \label{ref:label_name} |
| 15:24:05 | Febs | Bg3r: which platform? |
| 15:24:07 | Bg3r | ah |
| 15:24:12 | Bg3r | the iaudio_install |
| 15:24:27 | tucoz | Febs, yes. exactly. The rockref macro uses the \ref and \pageref commands to format the reference |
| 15:24:27 | Bg3r | is copied directly from the iriver_install |
| 15:24:37 | Bg3r | i'm talking about getting_started/iaudio_install.tex |
| 15:25:35 | tucoz | Bg3r, you are right. |
| 15:25:41 | tucoz | I'll fix |
| 15:26:38 | tucoz | which means that I simply remove what is written for the iaudio |
| 15:30:15 | Febs | tucoz: if you're going to be making any changes to getting_started/main.tex, there is a "\dap's" in line 119 that should probably be "\daps". |
| 15:30:52 | tucoz | Febs, I only changed the iaudio_install.tex. But, I can fix that as well. |
| 15:32:38 | Febs | tucoz: let me know if you're editing main.tex. I saw another thing I want to fix but I don't want to edit it at the same time you are. |
| 15:33:14 | tucoz | Febs, I'll leave it to you then. Do you mind if I fix a typo in your working_with_playlists/main.tex? |
| 15:33:26 | JdGordon | lol @ the bookmark screen... on+play to delete bookmark? on h300 its the same button! |
| 15:33:53 | tucoz | hehe |
| 15:34:04 | tucoz | JdGordon, Is that in the manual? |
| 15:34:15 | JdGordon | no, on the actual display |
| 15:34:32 | tucoz | even more lol then :) |
| 15:34:55 | * | JdGordon 's new context chechking code works :D |
| 15:35:03 | Febs | tucoz: Go for it. I decided to put that into cvs even in its fledgling state so that others could review, comment or edit it. |
| 15:35:11 | tucoz | cool |
| 15:35:39 | JdGordon | what button is delete bookmark on the ipods/ |
| 15:35:41 | JdGordon | ? |
| 15:37:56 | linuxstb_ | I think I ran out of buttons on that screen..... |
| 15:38:48 | linuxstb_ | bookmark.h: #define BOOKMARK_DELETE (BUTTON_RIGHT | BUTTON_REPEAT) |
| 15:39:48 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 15:40:43 | * | linuxstb_ thinks we'll need an abridged "quick-start" manual soon... |
| 15:40:43 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: thats no good.. would select|play work? or long select / play? |
| 15:40:54 | JdGordon | even long menu? |
| 15:42:39 | tucoz | linuxstb, I think we should add a quickstart chapter to the manual as a start. Just a few pages. |
| 15:42:40 | linuxstb_ | I guess long menu would be OK. |
| 15:43:04 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: I was half-joking - but the manual is getting scarily large now... |
| 15:43:32 | tucoz | maybe it is time to rename it to 'the rockbox bible'... |
| 15:47:04 | Bagder | "Learn Rockbox in 24 Hour^H^H^H^HMonths" |
| 15:47:23 | * | Bagder goes dvb'ing |
| 15:50:40 | tucoz | as in digital video broadcasting? |
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| 15:52:20 | Febs | Instead of a Quick Start chapter, we could probably add a Quick Start section to the Getting Started chapter. There's already a subsection called "Running Rockbox." |
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| 15:52:42 | Febs | Right now the "Running Rockbox" subsection really contains nothing useful, but it could be expanded with an overview of how RB works. |
| 15:53:03 | hannesd_ | Is there a binary build with all the latest patches for ihp1xx applied? |
| 15:54:29 | tucoz | hannesd, check the forums or mistic river for experimental builds |
| 15:54:36 | Febs | The official build is available at rockbox.org. There are unofficial builds containing certain patches available in the rockbo forum or mistic river. |
| 15:55:09 | hannesd_ | thanks. |
| 15:59:28 | * | JdGordon wonders where Linus is... |
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| 16:06:14 | JdGordon | yay! infinite loop |
| 16:07:00 | Bg3r | woot |
| 16:07:43 | JdGordon | 12.10am is not an ideal time for such annoyances :p |
| 16:09:03 | tucoz | anyone know how to use grep to find the expression \ref ? |
| 16:09:25 | JdGordon | grep -nr "\ref" <folder you want to look> |
| 16:09:32 | JdGordon | will show file and line number |
| 16:09:45 | JdGordon | might need to do it as \\ref |
| 16:09:46 | dan_a_ | Don't you need to do "\\ref"? |
| 16:10:06 | linuxstb_ | Try '\\ref' |
| 16:10:10 | tucoz | that will also find \rockref |
| 16:10:34 | tucoz | linuxstb, that was it. Thanks |
| 16:10:44 | tucoz | and thanks to dan_a_ and JdGordon as well :) |
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| 16:11:42 | tucoz | linuxstb, what is the difference between " " and ' ' when using grep? |
| 16:12:43 | linuxstb_ | I think the shell will expand things in "", but not in ''. |
| 16:12:51 | tucoz | aha |
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| 16:18:59 | Slasheri | yep, shell recognizes for example variable names "$variable" but not '$variable' |
| 16:20:13 | Slasheri | but "*" for example isn't expanded where * is |
| 16:22:46 | tucoz | I see |
| 16:23:36 | JdGordon | midkay: i just turned a yukky while loop into a nicer do {} while() loop! |
| 16:23:50 | midkay | JdGordon: :OOOOOOOOO how?! |
| 16:24:38 | JdGordon | well, it removed 1 variable and 2 repeated == checks in the loop, so it was good |
| 16:24:59 | midkay | nicely done. |
| 16:24:59 | JdGordon | having while (1); at the bottom is scary tho :p |
| 16:25:06 | Mikachu | and obviously you can escape a ' much easier if you use " " |
| 16:25:07 | midkay | we'll ahve to tell paul_the_nerd about this! |
| 16:25:14 | JdGordon | hehe yes |
| 16:25:21 | midkay | :D |
| 16:25:22 | Mikachu | otherwise you have to write 'don'\''t' |
| 16:26:40 | tucoz | I think I get it now :) |
| 16:27:59 | Mikachu | i think \003 and such things expand in "" but not in '' too |
| 16:28:29 | Mikachu | and in zsh there is even $'' which is different from '' |
| 16:29:24 | tucoz | zsh yes, I once tried to use it but gave up. |
| 16:30:24 | tucoz | I didn't understand how to set it up properly, with highlighting etc |
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| 16:44:06 | MbS | I'm updating some of the wiki can I link to WinZip or WinRar or other programs? |
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| 16:46:01 | linuxstb_ | Why not 7zip? i.e. free alternatives? |
| 16:48:55 | MbS | the two I mentioned are the best known I suppose. I was just wondering if there's any copyright/whatever issues |
| 16:49:07 | MbS | but 7zip it can be |
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| 16:51:33 | markun | hi |
| 16:51:44 | linuxstb_ | MbS: If you link to the official websites for commercial applications, I can't see any copyright issue. But I just think it's nice to tell users there are free alternatives. |
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| 16:54:08 | petur | I've always liked power archiver because of its tree view, too bad it became shareware |
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| 17:00:49 | Bagder | actionshrimp: |
| 17:00:59 | actionshrimp | :o |
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| 17:04:19 | * | linuxstb_ spots a promising simulator sound bugfix... |
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| 17:13:37 | MbS | Can any manual devs point me towards a description and guide to wps themes that's platform independant? |
| 17:14:23 | tucoz | MbS, the manual should only include platform specific stuff |
| 17:14:42 | tucoz | oh, I see |
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| 17:14:50 | tucoz | what you mean. |
| 17:16:29 | tucoz | MbS, this shows all the tags (I think). http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 17:17:04 | MbS | i was looking for a place to link to from the Wps Uploding Guide to somewhere that explains the syntax and uses of theme files. Not wps files or full config files. |
| 17:17:29 | MbS | if there isn't one already I'll make it but no point if it exists already |
| 17:17:52 | tucoz | is this what you are looking for? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS |
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| 17:19:27 | MbS | nope but you're getting closer...! I'm updating the giude at the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 17:19:46 | MbS | *guide |
| 17:21:40 | tucoz | I am not sure there is a guide/description for theme files |
| 17:22:03 | MbS | Guess I'll get cracking on that then...... |
| 17:22:09 | tucoz | good |
| 17:22:22 | preglow | won't the sdl yield fix make some stuff pretty sluggish? |
| 17:22:38 | preglow | hmm, perhaps not |
| 17:22:41 | tucoz | MbS, there is a description in the WPSLIST file in the wps/ folder |
| 17:23:33 | tucoz | but that is for build-inclusion. Not for the actual theme files I think |
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| 17:25:24 | dongs | is there any way to kill the VU meters in default wps without changing anything else? |
| 17:25:34 | dongs | with that shit on, my ipod skips when playing @ 120% speed |
| 17:26:13 | preglow | you pretty much need to make a wps without it, afaik |
| 17:26:26 | dongs | doh |
| 17:26:32 | dongs | whose idea was it to include that shit in by default |
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| 17:26:38 | dongs | i know few months ago it wasnt default |
| 17:26:42 | preglow | eh |
| 17:26:43 | preglow | no? |
| 17:26:57 | dongs | eh no what |
| 17:27:01 | preglow | it's always been in the default wps the time i've been with rockbox |
| 17:27:11 | dongs | i know in june or so default one didnt have vu meters |
| 17:27:26 | Bagder | been there for several years afaik |
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| 17:27:30 | preglow | yeah |
| 17:27:35 | Genre9mp3 | dongs: Open the wps file and remove the "%pm" tag |
| 17:27:43 | preglow | can't remember the default wps ever not having it |
| 17:27:46 | Genre9mp3 | and it's peak meters, not vu meters |
| 17:28:10 | dongs | shrug whatever it is, it rapes cpu |
| 17:28:14 | midkay | Genre9mp3: there's no file to open.. rockbox includes just a blank file for rockbox_default.wps, no code.. no code is interpreted to mean "load default" which is hardcoded. |
| 17:28:17 | preglow | sure |
| 17:28:25 | dongs | shit |
| 17:28:30 | Mcfloyd | i just loaded my nano and im having some trouble navigating <−−−−- newbie |
| 17:28:31 | preglow | default wps is in a .c file, afaik |
| 17:28:38 | dongs | Mcfloyd: whats the problem |
| 17:28:40 | midkay | yes, like gwps.c |
| 17:28:44 | Genre9mp3 | midkay: Oh...yes, I forgot that! :/ |
| 17:28:55 | Mcfloyd | well how do i get into the menu where u browse the folders? |
| 17:29:05 | Mcfloyd | all i c is album songs ext... |
| 17:29:11 | midkay | yep. might be good to include the code, it would still work the same but you could modify it and see how certain things were achieved if you wanted. |
| 17:29:21 | dongs | Mcfloyd: that should be the default mode, no? |
| 17:29:25 | dongs | Mcfloyd: did you copy some mp3s to |
| 17:29:28 | dongs | the root drive? |
| 17:29:32 | Mcfloyd | yep |
| 17:29:45 | Mcfloyd | i dont know if its the root dont think so |
| 17:30:03 | Mcfloyd | i have albums genres composers that kind of options |
| 17:30:15 | Mcfloyd | so how do i get 2 da root? |
| 17:30:22 | dongs | keep pressing back i guess |
| 17:30:25 | dongs | but when it first loads |
| 17:30:28 | dongs | you should see the / dir |
| 17:30:33 | Mcfloyd | nope |
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| 17:30:37 | Mcfloyd | doesnt work |
| 17:30:39 | dongs | what exactly DO you see |
| 17:30:43 | dongs | do a reset |
| 17:30:47 | Mcfloyd | hehe |
| 17:30:48 | dongs | hold center~menu for liek 6 seconds |
| 17:30:57 | dongs | and then tell me what you see after that |
| 17:31:20 | Mcfloyd | kay it resetting |
| 17:31:27 | Mcfloyd | still c da same thing |
| 17:31:55 | ismo | Hi all. I'm considering Ipod Nano to accompany my H140. The ipodstatus page has a mention on occasional skipping of audio. How common that is with "normal" oggs (q6)? Does skipping happen at all while only playing the audio and not doing something else at the same time? |
| 17:32:02 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 17:33:03 | dongs | Mcfloyd: okay define "still same thing" |
| 17:33:15 | dongs | Mcfloyd: are you actually seeing rockbox |
| 17:33:17 | dongs | or the apple firmware |
| 17:33:18 | dongs | :D |
| 17:33:29 | dongs | does it show some yellowpoop looking rockbox logo during reset? |
| 17:33:32 | Mcfloyd | yeah i was in da root earlier |
| 17:33:32 | dongs | and a bunch of text? |
| 17:33:42 | dongs | oh i wonder if you enabled some gay shit |
| 17:33:56 | Mcfloyd | i c a list albums genres composers played tracks that kind of stuff |
| 17:34:01 | dongs | ok do this: hold reset again, and right after, push the hold button |
| 17:34:12 | dongs | until it says :settings cleard: |
| 17:34:13 | Mcfloyd | the hold button? |
| 17:34:15 | dongs | ya |
| 17:34:17 | dongs | the one on top |
| 17:34:17 | dongs | slider |
| 17:34:22 | dongs | above screen |
| 17:34:39 | dongs | push as in slide it |
| 17:34:41 | dongs | so that its on |
| 17:34:46 | dongs | do that after it starts resetting |
| 17:34:51 | dongs | but before shit appears on screen. |
| 17:34:56 | dongs | that should get you back to default settings |
| 17:34:59 | dongs | with file browser showing. |
| 17:35:04 | dongs | if tha doesnt work, i give up |
| 17:35:11 | midkay | can't you just shrink those like 15 lines down to "reset your ipod and while it's booting turn on the hold switch"... :) |
| 17:35:38 | midkay | or you could switch directly to All file view instead of ID3 Database which sounds like the problem.. |
| 17:36:03 | Mcfloyd | ok it worked |
| 17:36:15 | Mcfloyd | now i c calenders contacts that.... |
| 17:36:22 | Mcfloyd | so im guessing thats da root?> |
| 17:36:30 | midkay | that is the root, yes. |
| 17:36:33 | Mcfloyd | so where were i before? |
| 17:36:40 | dongs | "id3 database" i geuss. |
| 17:36:42 | midkay | ID3 database. |
| 17:36:43 | * | dongs never used it |
| 17:36:48 | Mcfloyd | hmmm |
| 17:37:23 | midkay | going to bed, night |
| 17:37:29 | Mcfloyd | but that was where all my songs was? |
| 17:37:50 | midkay | you said you wanted the file browser. |
| 17:37:57 | midkay | i assumed that meant your music was there..? |
| 17:38:04 | dongs | ror |
| 17:38:40 | Mcfloyd | wel neva mind im in da file browser now... |
| 17:38:47 | Mcfloyd | what is the tag cache thing? |
| 17:38:53 | Mcfloyd | isnt that where i was? |
| 17:39:30 | dongs | yea |
| 17:39:44 | dongs | that stuff is only useful if your shit is acutally tagged |
| 17:39:44 | Mcfloyd | okay so how do i get into and out of that? |
| 17:39:55 | Mcfloyd | well my shit is tagged |
| 17:40:00 | dongs | and/or if you want to still access to ipod music fiels |
| 17:40:07 | Mcfloyd | i just came from using itunes dewd all my shit is tagged |
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| 17:40:09 | dongs | the ones in the hidden mac dir |
| 17:40:15 | Mcfloyd | thats it |
| 17:40:22 | Mcfloyd | so how do i go about doin that? |
| 17:41:07 | dongs | thats the tagcache |
| 17:41:10 | dongs | dont ask me how to get in there |
| 17:41:12 | dongs | i never used it |
| 17:41:17 | Mcfloyd | hmmm |
| 17:41:26 | Mcfloyd | ok but tx for the help |
| 17:41:55 | dongs | try searchhing for tagcache in the wiki |
| 17:41:55 | midkay | check the manual and wiki. |
| 17:41:59 | dongs | yea what he said. |
| 17:42:06 | Mcfloyd | hehe |
| 17:42:16 | MbS | hold down the "menu" button and press "down" until it says ID3 Database then press menu again |
| 17:42:20 | midkay | generally it's good to come here if you need some help that you can't find elsewhere, but there's a manual with all these little things you ought to check first. :) |
| 17:42:24 | Mcfloyd | i've been reading the manual doesnt say how 2 get in and out tho |
| 17:43:18 | Mcfloyd | aha MbS ur da shit!!! |
| 17:43:20 | Mcfloyd | hehe kewl |
| 17:43:45 | Mcfloyd | oi now i can c even da hidden files... |
| 17:45:35 | dongs | i jsut want to play stuff at 120% wihtout skip |
| 17:45:44 | dongs | so theres no way to disable peakmeters in default wps? |
| 17:45:46 | petur | Slasheri: re your recent sim commits to get smooth playback: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2813 |
| 17:45:59 | Mikachu | dongs: you could make a copy without them |
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| 17:46:08 | dongs | Mikachu: they just said the default wps is in a .c file |
| 17:46:10 | Mikachu | but i think the default is compiled tn |
| 17:46:19 | Mikachu | presumably it is still only text |
| 17:46:21 | dongs | so that doesnt really halp |
| 17:46:51 | dan_a_ | dongs: Just look through the ones that are available and pick one you like! |
| 17:47:34 | Mikachu | dongs: here, |
| 17:47:42 | Slasheri | petur: hmm, interesting |
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| 17:47:46 | Mikachu | dongs http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/16 |
| 17:47:54 | Slasheri | petur: i will try if that works better |
| 17:48:00 | Mcfloyd | tx ppl |
| 17:48:10 | Mcfloyd | cheerio |
| 17:48:13 | petur | Slasheri: no, I wanted to say we had the same idea |
| 17:48:15 | Mikachu | dongs: apps/gui/gpws-common.c:2456 btw |
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| 17:48:30 | Slasheri | petur: hehe, but it looks like your idea might work better |
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| 17:48:37 | dongs | Mikachu: soi have to rebuild this shit to turn it off? |
| 17:48:52 | Mikachu | dongs: no... just copy that text, remove the \n and put it in a file and call it dongs.wps |
| 17:48:54 | Slasheri | because i just noticed the old patch i committed was not perfect.. it still causes occassional skipping (but not too often) |
| 17:48:59 | Mikachu | and remove the last line with %pm obviously |
| 17:49:13 | dongs | wow thats al ot of wokr |
| 17:49:14 | dongs | ok |
| 17:49:16 | petur | Slasheri: it was pre-SDL, haven't looked back to it |
| 17:49:17 | dongs | i will do that |
| 17:49:27 | Mikachu | yes must be the better part of half a minute |
| 17:49:44 | Mikachu | but feel free to rant about it for a while longer if you want |
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| 17:51:10 | dongs | ok i shall do just that |
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| 17:51:21 | dongs | is it possible to: have a config option for disabling peakmeters? |
| 17:51:33 | dongs | or: have an option to make it rape less cpu |
| 17:51:40 | dongs | i.e peakmeter refresh rate |
| 17:51:51 | dongs | with default to something sane |
| 17:51:53 | dongs | like 1 second |
| 17:52:16 | dongs | what do you think |
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| 17:54:09 | Mikachu | i think the default wps shouldn't have peak meters |
| 17:54:19 | dongs | i agree |
| 17:54:24 | dongs | they:re fucking uselss |
| 17:55:21 | dongs | not to mention they ruin my 120% speed playback |
| 17:55:28 | dongs | skip every 10sec or so |
| 17:55:29 | * | linuxstb_ likes the peakmeters on his ipod, but uses FLAC. |
| 17:55:39 | dongs | ew, FLAC |
| 17:56:03 | * | Mikachu remembers quote from vcpr "that's just the way i am, opinionated and moronic" |
| 17:56:31 | linuxstb_ | But yes, I agree Rockbox needs a better default WPS, on most targets. |
| 17:56:56 | MbS | Could the default be platform specific? |
| 17:57:02 | petur | icatcher has no peakmeters ;) |
| 17:57:03 | dongs | um |
| 17:57:11 | dongs | icatcher uses this fat fucking font |
| 17:57:19 | dongs | plus it just looks gay |
| 17:57:21 | dongs | default wps is fine |
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| 17:57:24 | MbS | show off each player's wps/screen at it's best |
| 17:57:27 | linuxstb_ | dongs: That's why the WPS can be modified by the user.... |
| 17:57:47 | dongs | default wps is great, because it doesnt depend on font size |
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| 17:58:11 | dongs | or if it does, it doesnt look like total ass when different font is used |
| 17:58:40 | linuxstb_ | It looks like a total ass in the default font on a 5g's screen. Hiding up at the top of the screen... |
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| 18:00:05 | dongs | heh |
| 18:00:09 | dongs | hrm |
| 18:01:14 | dionoea_work | the blackglass (no cover art) would be a nice default for color lcds. Unfortunately the design concept must be copyrighted by MS |
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| 18:01:31 | EbErT | hey, anyone know anything about car stereo's? my stereo doesn't have a sub input, but it has an l/r front and back. If the sub has a low pass filter, could i just put it in one of those and it will filter out the high frequencies? |
| 18:02:08 | dongs | blackglass? |
| 18:02:09 | dongs | url plz |
| 18:02:31 | EbErT | i wanna keep this stereo cuz it has an aux in in the front for my rockboxed ipod :) |
| 18:02:38 | dionoea_work | dongs: http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 18:02:52 | rconan | EbErT: does the sub have an amp integrated? |
| 18:03:00 | EbErT | yes |
| 18:03:15 | EbErT | all-in-one kinda thing |
| 18:03:20 | dongs | eww |
| 18:03:22 | dongs | thats hideous |
| 18:03:27 | rconan | then you probably want a low level output from the stereo rather than the power output that the l/r front and back will be |
| 18:03:36 | rconan | unless the amp has a high power input |
| 18:03:59 | EbErT | even tho it has low pass filter? I don't know exactly what those filters do, or how well |
| 18:04:02 | dionoea_work | dongs: IMO the no album art version looks great |
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| 18:04:15 | rconan | the low pass filter removes high frequencies |
| 18:04:15 | EbErT | its 100 watts (didn't want biiiig bass) |
| 18:04:42 | EbErT | but wont work in l/r front or back |
| 18:04:54 | rconan | the ouput from your stereo is a speaker level signal not line level |
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| 18:05:04 | EbErT | ok, well this stereo doesn't have sub output. o well |
| 18:05:05 | rconan | you need a sub out or an aux out |
| 18:05:36 | EbErT | ah, ok thx! |
| 18:06:35 | rconan | EbErT: http://cgi.ebay.com/car-stereo-amp-line-level-adaptor-converter-rca-speaker_W0QQitemZ200011297347QQihZ010QQcategoryZ64387QQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:06:38 | rconan | you need one of them |
| 18:07:15 | rconan | as far as i can tell from your description any way |
| 18:07:22 | dongs | does your car stereo have built in amp? |
| 18:07:30 | dongs | for l/r/front/wahtever/ |
| 18:07:54 | rconan | i should think so |
| 18:07:55 | rconan | most do |
| 18:08:08 | EbErT | yes, it does |
| 18:08:36 | EbErT | what kinda plugs are those red/white ones on the ebay pic? |
| 18:08:49 | rconan | phono sockets by the look of it |
| 18:08:53 | rconan | rca |
| 18:09:18 | dongs | if it doesnt have line level out you probably odnt want to hookup anything other htan speakers to those connectors |
| 18:09:39 | dongs | i didnt look at that scambay url but i cant really imagine it being what you want |
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| 18:10:01 | rconan | its designed to convert a power signal to a 0 VU line level signal |
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| 18:10:17 | rconan | the same way an amp with a high level input does |
| 18:10:18 | dongs | so effectively wasting the amp in the stereo? |
| 18:10:22 | rconan | yes |
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| 18:10:39 | rconan | but still achieving the desired solution without replacing the stereo |
| 18:10:45 | EbErT | right |
| 18:11:26 | rconan | if you dont like ebaying it theres one new here |
| 18:11:26 | rconan | http://www.electronixwarehouse.com/car/sgl-prod/accessories/line-converters/legacy-ln60.htm |
| 18:11:44 | EbErT | so the only amped output from a stereo is through those l/r front-back rca plugs? |
| 18:12:13 | EbErT | i thought it also sent amped signals from the wire harness |
| 18:12:23 | rconan | it probably does |
| 18:12:36 | EbErT | so its just 2 different ways to plug it |
| 18:12:40 | rconan | yes |
| 18:12:59 | rconan | youd have to investigate the impedance and things before connecting things to both outputs |
| 18:14:10 | Febs | I am about to add a section to the installation part of the manual regarding downloading the fonts package. Which (if any) platforms do NOT have the ability to change fonts? |
| 18:14:26 | EbErT | says 4-8 ohms, whatever that is |
| 18:14:37 | rconan | what's the stereo? |
| 18:15:01 | EbErT | aiwa 45w x 5 |
| 18:15:32 | EbErT | cdc-x407 |
| 18:15:53 | rconan | and how many/what speakers have you already got attached |
| 18:16:03 | rconan | i assume your in the US |
| 18:16:48 | EbErT | 4 speakers, dunno what kind |
| 18:17:13 | EbErT | stock, gunna upgrade them sometime, but want the bass in first |
| 18:17:23 | EbErT | and yes, us |
| 18:18:14 | rconan | if the speakers say 8ohm impedance then you should be able to attach the line convertor and amp to the other output |
| 18:18:54 | EbErT | well, i'll try and see when i can :) |
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| 18:28:37 | tucoz | Febs, I would guess the player (only) |
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| 18:48:22 | Febs | tucoz: as soon as I can confirm that, I'll \nopt{} the note that I just added to the installation instructions about downloading the fonts pack. |
| 18:49:15 | tucoz | Ok. I am quite confident that the player can not load fonts as it doesn't have a bitmap display |
| 18:50:14 | tucoz | I am compiling the player sim now, just to check |
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| 18:52:08 | tucoz | Febs, the player can not load fonts |
| 18:53:34 | RedBreva | Hi folks, anyone with experience of PHP about to help with a problem I have? Specificaly using 'copy' to upload a user selected file into a dir on the web server... I can create a file and write to it from within the script, but the copy command fails :-( |
| 18:54:34 | dionoea_work | does apache (or whatever is runing php for you) have write access to the dir ? |
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| 18:55:52 | RedBreva | I have given the destination folder permisions 777, which should just about allow anone to do anything I believe, and the the same script can creat files, and write to existing files |
| 18:56:30 | dionoea_work | http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/function.move-uploaded-file.php |
| 18:56:33 | dionoea_work | did you try that ? |
| 18:56:43 | dionoea_work | hum, just change fr3 to www |
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| 18:58:39 | RedBreva | I am using a 'copy ( $source, $dest ) or die( "could not copy file"); command and get the 'die' message |
| 18:59:01 | dionoea_work | copy isn't standard when handling uploaded files |
| 18:59:10 | dionoea_work | you should use this dedicated function |
| 18:59:33 | dionoea_work | using copy must be restricted by php's safe mode |
| 18:59:57 | dionoea_work | http://uk.php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.php this has a nice explanation |
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| 19:01:47 | RedBreva | By george, I think that works merci, mon ami |
| 19:01:56 | dionoea_work | you're welcome :) |
| 19:02:17 | dionoea_work | are you doing the themes site ? |
| 19:02:23 | RedBreva | yes |
| 19:02:33 | dionoea_work | nice :) |
| 19:02:42 | dionoea_work | make sure that you don't allow uploading .php files |
| 19:02:43 | RedBreva | I am attempting to enable uploads to a 'safe' directory at present |
| 19:03:10 | dionoea_work | many webservers were hacked due to .php files being uploaded and executed afterwards |
| 19:03:43 | RedBreva | I am trying to restrict to 1 png, 1 zip and 1 txt file, and now I knwo it's working, I will play with the chmod numbers and remove execute... |
| 19:04:00 | RedBreva | Thanks for the warning ;-) |
| 19:04:04 | dionoea_work | apache doesn't need execute to run .php files i think |
| 19:04:18 | rconan | it depends how the server is set up |
| 19:04:23 | rconan | soem do |
| 19:04:37 | dionoea_work | you should just tweak your apache configuration to disable php execution (or any other execution) in the upload directory |
| 19:05:35 | RedBreva | Ah, OK... At least there is no obvious path to the uploaded file, once it has been moved...? |
| 19:06:08 | dionoea_work | well it's usually pretty easy to figure it out if you then display the files (images/wps/...) on a webpage |
| 19:06:32 | dionoea_work | unless you have some moderation in between and the file gets uploaded to a folder which isn't available through your webserver |
| 19:06:41 | RedBreva | They are going into a 'Holding Pen" 1st |
| 19:07:02 | RedBreva | er, yes, thats exactly it :D |
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| 19:07:05 | dionoea_work | :) |
| 19:07:09 | linuxstb | Yes, don't trust anything a user uploads, not even the filename... |
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| 19:07:40 | dionoea_work | hmmm .... it's about time to stop working. |
| 19:07:41 | dionoea_work | bbl |
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| 19:10:56 | RedBreva | Hmm, With one file I can refer to $_FILES[name][property], how easy is it to send three seperate files in one submit? |
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| 19:30:46 | pondlife | Slasheri: around? |
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| 20:00:13 | pondlife | LinusN: around? |
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| 20:01:45 | LinusN | yes |
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| 20:05:58 | pondlife | LinusN: I've not been able to get any feedback on patch 5690 from Archos users. Mainly because Paul_The_Nerd lives in a different time-zone to me I guess. |
| 20:06:47 | LinusN | ok, my only concern is wasted memory |
| 20:06:55 | pondlife | I've done some unrelated work on talk.c to shut up voice clips more quickly when starting playback, but would like to see 5690 committed first if you think it'll happen soon anyway.. |
| 20:07:08 | pondlife | You were working on a better buffer_alloc? |
| 20:07:51 | LinusN | yes, but i put that on ice |
| 20:08:00 | pondlife | Ah, just thinking. |
| 20:08:03 | pondlife | OK |
| 20:08:28 | pondlife | Well if I can do anything to help speed up that commit, please let me know. |
| 20:09:00 | pondlife | I don't want to sound like a broken record (either to you, or to Archos owners who might be able to test).. ;-) |
| 20:10:09 | LinusN | pondlife: to test this, i would need both a voice file and some .talk clips, right? |
| 20:10:21 | pondlife | Not necessarily |
| 20:10:32 | pondlife | Just .talk clips will allocate the buffer. |
| 20:10:59 | pondlife | Voice (i.e. with a voice file) and thumbnails (.talk clips) are independent |
| 20:11:06 | * | LinusN charges his fm recorder |
| 20:11:09 | pondlife | Or at least they are after the patch |
| 20:11:44 | pondlife | Not a biggie, but I'd like to do one thing at a time, especially as I'm still learning. |
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| 20:15:53 | pondlife | Time for tea now (well, before an Archos charge cycle completes), but I'll keep an eye on Flyspray if you have further comments. |
| 20:16:21 | Mikachu | LinusN: wasn't the fat label bug fixed? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5217 |
| 20:16:36 | Mikachu | or is this another one/ |
| 20:16:44 | Mikachu | i don't keep track of dates during the summer |
| 20:18:01 | pondlife | And... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5750 - I thnk this (or a varient of it) got committed earlier |
| 20:18:22 | Mikachu | Last edited by Linus Nielsen Feltzing (linusnielsen) - Monday, 31 July 2006 |
| 20:19:27 | LinusN | Mikachu: i believe that was fixed, yes |
| 20:19:41 | linuxstb | I've started work on an to-do list for tasks needing to be done for the ipod ports - if anyone can think of others, please add them: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus |
| 20:20:01 | * | dan_a looks |
| 20:20:16 | Mikachu | linuxstb: flyspray doesn't support depending bugs? |
| 20:20:40 | Mikachu | (in bugzilla i like to create metabugs that block on other bugs) |
| 20:21:42 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I wouldn't call them bugs - just things which aren't implemented yet. |
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| 20:22:07 | Mikachu | ah okay, i thought you meant flyspray tasks |
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| 20:24:44 | Mikachu | pegbox looks pretty nice |
| 20:25:10 | linuxstb | Another plugin with "rock" or "box" in the name? |
| 20:25:25 | Mikachu | unfortunately :) |
| 20:25:28 | * | linuxstb is only guilty of one. |
| 20:25:31 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5725 |
| 20:27:10 | dan_a | Is there any reason why calling a system reset from the coprocessor on an iPod wouldn't work, but from the main CPU it would? |
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| 20:29:15 | linuxstb | dan_a: No idea. |
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| 20:31:11 | dan_a | This is probably the only time I've got this annoyed that some software won't crash! |
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| 20:31:36 | * | linuxstb is listening to glitch-free music in the sim. |
| 20:31:43 | linuxstb | Finally, a gapless audio player in Linux :) |
| 20:32:04 | Mikachu | heh |
| 20:32:06 | dan_a | hehehe |
| 20:32:18 | Mikachu | needs work on the ui |
| 20:32:59 | lex | rockbox freezed again :G |
| 20:33:01 | linuxstb | Maybe 99.8% CPU usage is a little high though... |
| 20:33:18 | lex | linuxstb: what a sim? :o |
| 20:33:18 | dan_a | linuxstb: Are there any plans to have native USB disk mode support for iPod Rockbox? Or is there just too much we don't know about the hardware? |
| 20:33:38 | linuxstb | dan_a: We know nothing about the USB hardware. |
| 20:33:42 | lex | :( |
| 20:33:58 | linuxstb | dan_a: I'll add it to the to-do list... |
| 20:33:59 | lex | what's the hardest part in it to code it? |
| 20:34:07 | lex | linuxstb: thanks :> |
| 20:34:16 | lex | linuxstb: only sleep and disk mode keeps my away from using only rockbox |
| 20:35:10 | lex | you know, booting, booting and booting takes so much battery on a hd-player |
| 20:35:19 | lex | now i need to go to the corner-shop -> |
| 20:35:43 | dan_a | linuxstb: I wasn't sure if it was a todo or a nodo |
| 20:36:19 | linuxstb | I would say "nodo" is reserved for the impossible. Most things are just very hard. |
| 20:36:41 | LinusN | "nodo" can also be "we don't want to" |
| 20:37:26 | linuxstb | Very true. |
| 20:38:16 | * | LinusN is struggling with the action-code |
| 20:39:03 | LinusN | it's unfortunate that jdgordon has changed many of the button mappings in his patch |
| 20:39:42 | LinusN | the most annoying for me is that you can't leave a setting with Left, because that suddenly means "cancel" |
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| 20:42:08 | linuxstb | That was discussed a few hours ago - using LEFT to confirm didn't seem intuitive... |
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| 20:43:12 | LinusN | what is intuitive then? |
| 20:44:00 | linuxstb | Select? |
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| 20:44:43 | LinusN | i guess i can learn to live with that |
| 20:44:49 | Bger | linuxstb: have in mind that when u inc/dec most options they are set at the same time |
| 20:45:14 | LinusN | yes, but you should be able to cancel them anyway |
| 20:45:18 | linuxstb | Yes, but only as a preview. If you cancel, they revert back. |
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| 20:46:37 | LinusN | heh, this action patch will cause an outrage |
| 20:46:43 | Bger | yep, but imho it's more intuitive to change something and go a level up (saving the changes) with the left button |
| 20:47:05 | LinusN | well, it's at least what i'm used to |
| 20:47:12 | Bger | me too |
| 20:47:26 | LinusN | i don't know if i have found it intuitive if it hadn't been for rockbox |
| 20:47:44 | LinusN | intuition is experience |
| 20:48:01 | Febs | and consistency. |
| 20:48:07 | LinusN | true |
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| 20:48:19 | Bger | yeah u're right |
| 20:48:26 | LinusN | otoh, i want the settings ui to be different |
| 20:48:31 | linuxstb | I've got two logical arguments as well 1) SELECT is also used to confirm - so why two buttons doing the same thing?; 2) In some settings screens, LEFT/RIGHT are needed for other things (e.g. eq, colour picker) |
| 20:48:32 | markun | Gigabeat news! http://www.faxus.net/wade/text.jpg |
| 20:48:54 | LinusN | markun: yay! |
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| 20:48:57 | markun | credits go to wibbix and linuxstb |
| 20:49:03 | Bger | markun: !!!! |
| 20:49:07 | LinusN | damn cool |
| 20:49:10 | linuxstb | \o/ |
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| 20:49:39 | markun | he is going to test the ata code next. Now at least we have a way of debugging |
| 20:49:43 | Bger | \\0// |
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| 20:50:18 | Bger | but why u didn't tell anything till now regarding the progress ?:) |
| 20:50:23 | linuxstb | markun: So does the LCD need an lcd_update(), or is it automatic? |
| 20:50:51 | dan_a | Well done, Gigabeat people! |
| 20:51:06 | Febs | Now someone can respond to the guy who asked about Gigabeat progress in the "Iriver - Strange Behavior" thread on the user list. :) |
| 20:51:20 | Bger | :D |
| 20:51:37 | markun | linuxstb: automatic |
| 20:51:46 | linuxstb | Sounds like the Sansa could be the same. |
| 20:52:01 | LinusN | is it a good idea to try to map Play to go to WPS at all times? |
| 20:52:23 | Bger | consistency:) |
| 20:52:39 | LinusN | yeah, i just wondered |
| 20:52:41 | markun | LinusN: it is updated at 25fps. I hope we can save some battery by changing it to manual update |
| 20:52:54 | markun | that was for linuxstb |
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| 20:53:53 | linuxstb | markun: Is the framebuffer part of the normal SDRAM? |
| 20:54:32 | Bger | markun: what model is this exactly? |
| 20:54:36 | Febs | LinusN: A resounding "yes" from me. |
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| 20:54:49 | LinusN | Febs: i can live with that |
| 20:55:36 | Febs | Is it safe to assume that jd's button system will render patch 5294 obsolete? |
| 20:56:03 | markun | LinusN: yes, normal RAM |
| 20:56:06 | petur | LinusN: er... except in plugins I assume? |
| 20:56:21 | markun | Bger: I think it's a Gigabeat F40, but I'm not sure |
| 20:56:22 | LinusN | petur: yes |
| 20:56:43 | Bger | LinusN: what about the recording/radio screens ? |
| 20:56:56 | petur | those too :) |
| 20:57:00 | LinusN | Febs: not obsolete |
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| 20:57:15 | petur | I mean, not going to wps... |
| 20:57:27 | Bger | yeah |
| 20:57:35 | Bger | i'm with petur here |
| 20:57:42 | linuxstb | I would prefer to see the quick-exit menu patch first, and then think about the PLAY->WPS shortcut afterwards. |
| 20:57:47 | * | petur runs off again |
| 20:57:49 | LinusN | Bg3r: i'm thinking about treating recording, radio and wps as the same screen, but in different states |
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| 20:58:23 | Febs | That makes sense. |
| 20:59:19 | LinusN | i'm not sure if that idea holds water, but i'm considering it |
| 20:59:19 | Bger | sure |
| 20:59:42 | markun | Bger: are you thinking of buying one? |
| 20:59:54 | Bger | just asking :) |
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| 21:01:07 | tucoz | markun: cool :) |
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| 21:01:30 | linuxstb | markun: A local electronics shop has a Gigabeat (F40 I think), but it's just physically too big compared to my 5g.... |
| 21:01:46 | markun | X60 is smaller |
| 21:02:04 | tucoz | which reminds me, we should have a "great days in the history of rockbox" page in the wiki. Perfect for first-boot shots like that. |
| 21:02:14 | Mikachu | i think the video is pretty large, but then i have a nano :) |
| 21:03:43 | EbErT | i have the ipod-brick |
| 21:03:56 | EbErT | 4g 60 gig |
| 21:04:02 | Mikachu | how did you do that? |
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| 21:04:08 | Mikachu | hw failed? |
| 21:04:10 | linuxstb | Anyone know if Toshiba are actually shipping their 80GB 1.8" disks yet? |
| 21:04:41 | muesli__ | linuxstb that would be neat...anything out about the prices? |
| 21:05:10 | dan_a | Can I ask a really stupid question? After the bootloader has run (on an iPod), where abouts in crt0.S will things start running from? |
| 21:05:15 | linuxstb | muesli__: I've no idea - that's why I'm asking. All I know is that they announced them months ago. |
| 21:05:28 | linuxstb | dan_a: The first line :) |
| 21:05:37 | dan_a | That's what I thought |
| 21:05:48 | dan_a | Even for the COP? |
| 21:05:57 | Mikachu | the cop isn't used afaik |
| 21:06:01 | linuxstb | No, the bootloader has already put the COP to sleep. |
| 21:06:05 | muesli__ | linuxstb 1 or 2 discs? |
| 21:06:17 | linuxstb | muesli__: Dual platter. |
| 21:06:17 | dan_a | When I wake it up |
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| 21:06:29 | Mikachu | maybe you have to set its exec pointer somewhere first |
| 21:06:40 | preglow | linuxstb: did you try to invalidate the cache in anyway, btw? speaking of ipod rolo |
| 21:06:49 | muesli__ | linuxstb damn it...my dream didnt come true... |
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| 21:07:43 | Slasheri | hmm, what do you think if the playback buffer would look like this: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/playbackbuffer.png |
| 21:07:51 | linuxstb | dan_a: When you wake it up, it runs the line "ldr pc, =cop_wake_start". But I think you'll have a problem - the bootloader runs with SDRAM mapped to 0x10000000, but Rockbox remaps it to 0x00000000. |
| 21:08:29 | linuxstb | preglow: I tried my best.... How would you invalidate it? |
| 21:10:38 | tucoz | muesli__, linuxstb, not sure if they actually have it in stock. $399 though. http://www.computergiants.com/items/one_item.asp?part=118609&cat=99&subsubcat=1513 |
| 21:10:44 | linuxstb | preglow: There's some code in CVS, which is obviously not doing it right. I've experimented with various other things, none of them successfully. But I would be happy if you wanted to experiment yourself - just try rolo'ing a week-old Rockbox build. |
| 21:10:56 | muesli__ | 399bucks...thats toooo much |
| 21:11:39 | dan_a | So to use the COP, I'd need to find out what address cop_wake_start was, and have some code there to look after the COP, and wake the COP before memory gets remapped. |
| 21:11:41 | dan_a | Is that right? |
| 21:12:00 | linuxstb | tucoz: Thanks - that page claims they have them in stock... But $399 is a little much for a H180. |
| 21:12:42 | tucoz | not what you would call a bargain |
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| 21:14:05 | muesli__ | i paid 100euros for a 30gb drive..but 314e are too much... |
| 21:14:24 | LinusN | Slasheri: what would be the point? |
| 21:14:27 | linuxstb | dan_a: I'm not sure how it would work. When you put the COP to sleep, PC will contain an address in the 0x10000000 range, but when you wake it up, the memory has moved to 0x00000000. |
| 21:15:45 | Mikachu | can't you just put the cop function somewhere you know where it is? or can't you control where it wakes up? |
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| 21:16:17 | Slasheri | LinusN: some sort of dynamic memory allocation to whole rockbox in fixed size chunks |
| 21:16:30 | LinusN | what problem would that solve? |
| 21:16:40 | Slasheri | depending on chunk size, performance penalty would be something like 2-4% |
| 21:16:56 | Slasheri | for example no need to boot after enabling dircache |
| 21:17:01 | dan_a | Mikachu: The cop function (if I understand right) is set in the bootloader, not by the main Rockbox code |
| 21:17:14 | Mikachu | dan_a: but can't you set it again afterwards? |
| 21:17:33 | linuxstb | dan_a: Have you looked at the IPL startup code, and also at their video player (which uses the COP I think). |
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| 21:17:40 | LinusN | Slasheri: wouldn't that just give us another set of problems, like leaks and performance issues? |
| 21:18:08 | * | LinusN is allergic to dynamic memory in embedded systems |
| 21:18:26 | dan_a | linuxstb: I've looked at the startup code, and can't see what I'm doing differently |
| 21:18:46 | Slasheri | hmm, possible.. but nobody can know that for sure :) |
| 21:19:06 | Slasheri | of course that would depend how wide that system is used |
| 21:19:31 | dan_a | Mikachu: I don't think you can. The COP is asleep, and when it wakes its next instruction jumps it to whatever address cop_wake_start is in the bootloader |
| 21:19:32 | Slasheri | it would be most well suited for big memory allocations |
| 21:20:04 | Mikachu | okay |
| 21:20:10 | dionoea | re |
| 21:20:37 | dan_a | Mikachu: (but I might not have understood correctly) |
| 21:21:04 | Mikachu | you can't change the instruction pointer of the cop from the main cpu? is what i meant to ask |
| 21:22:16 | dan_a | Mikachu: They have separate registers, including separate Program Counters :( |
| 21:23:07 | Mikachu | you can't just add 0x1000000 or whatever to the address when you put it to sleep in the bootloader? |
| 21:23:13 | Mikachu | (i am apparently just guessing here :) |
| 21:24:54 | dan_a | Mikachu: It looks like I'm going to have to. I'm surprised, though, because I'm using IPL's bootloader at the moment |
| 21:24:59 | dan_a | And they do use the COP |
| 21:25:54 | Mikachu | maybe because they don't remap the memory? |
| 21:26:09 | Mikachu | i don't know whether they do |
| 21:28:11 | dan_a | I think that they do... in their code (head-arm-ipod.S) there's a bit that's very similar to the Rockbox part for memory remapping |
| 21:28:32 | Mikachu | maybe they do it after regaining control of the cop? |
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| 21:34:07 | dan_a | Ah! startup_loc is defined as 0x0 |
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| 21:42:36 | linuxstb | dan_a: Looking at crt0.S, it looks like the Rockbox bootloader wakes up the COP again before starting the Apple firmware, but it doesn't when starting Rockbox. I'm thinking that maybe it should. |
| 21:43:50 | dan_a | linuxstb: Thanks - I'll do some hacking! |
| 21:43:53 | linuxstb | (and I should also do that in RoLo...) |
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| 21:45:43 | petur | Bagder? |
| 21:45:54 | Mcfloyd | Hey there, I just loaded RockBox on my 4G 20gig iPod |
| 21:46:36 | stripwax | Mcfloyd - congrats! |
| 21:46:42 | Mcfloyd | just want to ask where i can get "nedore-8.fnt" that font |
| 21:46:44 | Mcfloyd | ?? |
| 21:46:58 | petur | did you install the font pack? |
| 21:47:04 | stripwax | download the fonts package from the rockbox downloads page |
| 21:47:21 | Mcfloyd | i prob need to dl that |
| 21:47:29 | linuxstb | It's on the "daily builds" page. |
| 21:47:32 | Mcfloyd | thanx will see if i can find that |
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| 21:47:43 | Mcfloyd | thanks dude |
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| 21:53:30 | amiconn | LinusN: There are indeed some places where the remote support on X5 runs into problems. |
| 21:53:48 | LinusN | amiconn: huh? |
| 21:54:06 | amiconn | Genre9mp3 pointed me towards one: check apps/gui/splash.c lines 137f ... |
| 21:54:32 | amiconn | LCD_LIGHTGRAY - ouch! LCD_LIGTGRAY != LCD_REMOTE_LIGHTGRAY |
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| 21:54:44 | LinusN | amiconn: ouch |
| 21:54:59 | Mcfloyd | sorry i feel dumb - but i do not see the font pack under daily builds |
| 21:55:13 | Mcfloyd | can you give me the link ?? |
| 21:55:17 | Mikachu | it is the last one |
| 21:55:24 | Mikachu | next to iaudio x5 |
| 21:55:27 | LinusN | Mcfloyd: the last entry, called "Fonts" |
| 21:55:53 | LinusN | with the rockbox logo |
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| 21:56:08 | amiconn | Iirc we discussed possible solutions (non-issue back then) with TiMiD |
| 21:56:19 | amiconn | ...months ago |
| 21:56:50 | LinusN | and now it suddenly is an issue... :-( |
| 21:57:54 | amiconn | In addition to the individual lcd capabilities (b&w / grey / colour), we need to define a platform capability which is the highest of all lcd capabilities of that platform |
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| 21:58:39 | amiconn | The we need functions to convert from this highest capability to the various lcd capabilities |
| 21:59:31 | LinusN | sounds complicated |
| 21:59:35 | amiconn | ...i.e. for X5 we need functions to convert from generic rgb to rgb565, and 2bit grey |
| 21:59:58 | amiconn | These functions would be part of the respective lcd driver, and used by the gui code |
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| 22:00:18 | amiconn | This is only necessary if more that one LCD is capable of more than just b&w |
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| 22:01:11 | amiconn | Maybe someone finds a better solution... |
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| 22:01:42 | LinusN | amiconn: do you have the possibility to try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 on an archos device? |
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| 22:05:06 | amiconn | Hmm. I don't like wasting a static buffer for talk clips on archos |
| 22:05:17 | amiconn | Archos can't talk anyway when playing music |
| 22:05:49 | RedBreva | OK, thanks to the help from dionoea a little earlier today, I have a working submissions page. Not ready to go live yet, but OK for basic testing, comments etc on look/feel/wording etc. http://www.rockbox-themes.org/upload.php |
| 22:06:47 | RedBreva | And yes the 'landing page' is very minimal, it's part ofthe todo, once I have decided what it should actually do ;D |
| 22:07:40 | linuxstb | RedBreva: Why don't you have a form, instead of the TXT file upload? |
| 22:08:07 | RedBreva | version 2 ;-) |
| 22:08:45 | Mcfloyd | sorry for the trouble |
| 22:08:47 | Mcfloyd | got it |
| 22:08:51 | Mikachu | RedBreva: isn't ipod 4g and h1x0 the same res? |
| 22:08:54 | Mcfloyd | cheers |
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| 22:09:41 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, they are - and the ipod 3g. |
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| 22:10:05 | Mikachu | they are separate in his listbox |
| 22:10:18 | RedBreva | yes, not sure if I should list ALL devices, or just the resolutions... thought res only may confuse some, so compromised a bit, and futur proofed it for possiblu splitting the WPS's on sucj pairings |
| 22:10:39 | RedBreva | and my typing is awfull this evening !! |
| 22:11:55 | linuxstb | RedBreva: But it's looking good. Next stage is an online WPS designer? |
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| 22:12:33 | RedBreva | hmmmm, perhaps not... I don't think my coding is up to it |
| 22:14:37 | dionoea | just some javascipt :) |
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| 22:15:19 | ^jhMikeS^ | Was RaeNye here? |
| 22:15:44 | LinusN | ^jhMikeS^: no |
| 22:15:59 | dionoea | RedBreva: i'd add spaces between the textboxes and browse buttons |
| 22:16:26 | ^jhMikeS^ | Hmmm...he's pushing to add something and I've gotta scramble to update some code for him |
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| 22:17:00 | bluebrother | is this still vaild? irivers have something like this, how about archos devices? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2192 |
| 22:17:11 | ^jhMikeS^ | LinusN: Is that working? |
| 22:17:32 | RedBreva | dionoea: the browse button is part of the input field |
| 22:17:52 | dionoea | hum ... right :) |
| 22:18:17 | LinusN | tools/scramble works |
| 22:18:49 | bluebrother | Hi RedBreva. |
| 22:18:52 | RedBreva | hi |
| 22:18:53 | amiconn | bluebrother: No longer valid. |
| 22:19:18 | amiconn | All devices which measure charging state display it in a similar way now |
| 22:19:21 | bluebrother | amiconn, thanks, closed. |
| 22:21:00 | amiconn | It goes actual% ((->33%) -> 66%) -> 100%, depending in which interval the actual% is located |
| 22:21:37 | amiconn | On greyscale and colour targets, the actual% stay visible all the time (black), and the animation is grey |
| 22:21:44 | Mikachu | so it never goes below actual%? |
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| 22:22:17 | amiconn | Mikachu: Exactly |
| 22:23:01 | Mikachu | ah, now i know why i haven't seen it, i have volume and battery set to numeric :) |
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| 22:24:15 | sharpe | hello everyone... |
| 22:24:51 | tucoz | bluebrother, what do you think about the rockref macro? |
| 22:25:26 | bluebrother | tucoz, nice. I guess I would have done it similarly, but I guess I'd have named it different ;-) |
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| 22:26:01 | tucoz | bluebrother, yeah. the naming could have been different yes |
| 22:26:45 | tucoz | I couldn't come up with anything better. But, it is possible to change it if you want |
| 22:27:43 | bluebrother | I have no problem with that name. I just would have picked something different ;-) |
| 22:27:55 | Mikachu | refbox? |
| 22:28:01 | tucoz | ah, much better |
| 22:28:17 | Mikachu | \loldots |
| 22:28:38 | tucoz | but I think we should stick with \ref for references to the appendix |
| 22:29:07 | bluebrother | more like \reference |
| 22:29:21 | Febs | Speaking of the appendices, do we really need an appendix for screen size of various platforms? |
| 22:29:52 | Febs | Seems that that made more sense when there was a single manual for all supported platforms. |
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| 22:30:02 | bluebrother | I'd say no. Seems a bit to technical to me, so leave it for a technical edition of the manual or the wiki. |
| 22:30:29 | tucoz | I agree. In that case we would have to include all the wps-tags for all the platforms as well |
| 22:30:52 | tucoz | even those that are unsupported for a specific target |
| 22:30:56 | bluebrother | something different: how about splitting the first chapter? |
| 22:31:08 | tucoz | Into what? |
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| 22:31:57 | bluebrother | I think it would make more sense having it split into Getting Started (Welcome, Getting Help, Naming conventions, Prerequisites) |
| 22:32:18 | bluebrother | with the prerequisites telling about a zip decompressor and similar stuff. |
| 22:33:15 | tucoz | sounds fine by me |
| 22:33:16 | bluebrother | and a second chapter Installation (Installation, Speech, Running, Updating, Uninstalling) |
| 22:33:42 | tucoz | ah, good idea |
| 22:33:59 | bluebrother | I think "Installation" is somewhat different from "Getting started". |
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| 22:34:14 | bluebrother | that installation section could also include a description of the usb mode of the bootloader(s) |
| 22:34:28 | bluebrother | and mention the way to boot the OF: |
| 22:34:43 | tucoz | sounds good. |
| 22:35:14 | jaczehack | salaaam |
| 22:36:54 | tucoz | good evening |
| 22:37:10 | Febs | That would also be a good place to mention the reboot button(s) if they exist on a platform.\ |
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| 22:37:35 | bluebrother | also, for something different: currently we have descriptions with \item[foo:] and \item[bar.]. We should use only one style. |
| 22:37:43 | bluebrother | I'd personally prefer using a . |
| 22:37:54 | bluebrother | Febs, good point. |
| 22:39:05 | tucoz | I think we should go as far as having a table which tells the user how to reboot, reset, enter main menu etc |
| 22:40:45 | bluebrother | reminds me of the rockbox menu structure we discussed some time ago. |
| 22:40:50 | tucoz | that is, have that table in the introductory chapter. |
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| 22:40:57 | tucoz | bluebrother, what was that? |
| 22:41:15 | bluebrother | it was about having a table that lists the complete menu structure. |
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| 22:42:05 | tucoz | ah, right. Yes, that should be in the manual |
| 22:42:17 | bluebrother | like somewhere at the beginning of the interface description. |
| 22:42:30 | tucoz | now I remember. I think I said that I was going to do it also |
| 22:42:36 | tucoz | which I haven't ;) |
| 22:42:52 | bluebrother | maybe we should have a chapter there that describes that structure and introduces into the main concepts of rockbox. |
| 22:43:08 | Febs | I think that the *complete* menu system should be laid out in an appendix. I mapped it out once, and it's quite daunting to take it all in. |
| 22:43:13 | bluebrother | like mentioning playlists, the wps-is-not-the-main-screen etc. |
| 22:43:29 | Febs | But a table with an overall navigation description is a good idea. |
| 22:44:11 | bluebrother | I thought about using a nested description environment. |
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| 22:45:10 | tucoz | bluebrother, regarding the descriptions. I do not care if it's . or :, as long as it is consitency |
| 22:46:23 | bluebrother | similar for me. Regardless of my personal preference we should be consistent. |
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| 22:47:43 | tucoz | I think your personal preference in the past have shown good judgement on what is good and what is not. So, you decide :) |
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| 22:48:40 | bluebrother | maybe I should try reading it with festival first ;-) |
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| 22:50:27 | Febs | As long as we're brainstorming about the manual, I think that we need a better description of themes: what they are, how to load them, etc. |
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| 22:51:09 | tucoz | Is there a description of themes at all atm? |
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| 22:51:42 | bluebrother | I think no. |
| 22:51:47 | Febs | Only under "Browse themes" in the main menu chapter. |
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| 22:52:05 | Febs | And that is not very comprehensive. |
| 22:52:39 | bluebrother | maybe it would better to have a more generic description before the main menu chapter? |
| 22:52:56 | Febs | In fact, it might make sense to call the WPS section in Chapter 7 "Using Themes" instead of "Configuring the WPS." |
| 22:53:16 | bluebrother | with subsections like customizing (themes etc.), menu overview, rockbox concept (mention playlists) |
| 22:53:52 | Febs | There was some talk earlier today about having a "Quickstart" section. I think what you are describing is essentially the same thing. |
| 22:54:04 | bluebrother | I think 7.2 is still valid as it is but should be extended to describe themes at all. |
| 22:54:38 | bluebrother | Febs, true. This could concatenize everything most users will need to actually play music. |
| 22:54:39 | tucoz | yes, a quick start could be a good idea. But, that could be solved with bluebrother's idea instead |
| 22:55:09 | Febs | I agree. Who volunteers to write it? ;) |
| 22:55:23 | * | tucoz disappears |
| 22:55:33 | tucoz | ;) |
| 22:55:38 | bluebrother | why not call it "quick start"? Subsections "first contact", "rockbox concept", "menu overview", "customizing" |
| 22:56:03 | bluebrother | I'm pretty busy the next days. Maybe next week ... |
| 22:56:09 | tucoz | but we have to be very greedy with the pages for that section |
| 22:56:29 | bluebrother | I guess I need to set up a homepage with a "donate time" button :) |
| 22:56:32 | tucoz | hehe |
| 22:56:40 | bluebrother | is there something like "donateTimePal"? |
| 22:56:52 | tucoz | There should be one. |
| 22:57:23 | bluebrother | but I really like the idea. |
| 22:57:39 | bluebrother | hopefully noone forgets about it until someone starts working on it :) |
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| 22:58:00 | tucoz | Yes, me too. A common question around here are those things. Like, how do I access the main menu |
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| 22:58:20 | tucoz | or even, people do not even know there is a main menu |
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| 22:58:41 | Sprite_tm | Hi ppl, |
| 22:58:45 | tucoz | hello |
| 22:58:54 | bluebrother | that would be funny :) |
| 22:59:40 | Sprite_tm | I'm trying to compile the simulator from the latest rocksbox snapshot, but it doesn't work. The codecs don't seem to get installed in the .rocksbox dir, and when I manually move 'em there, still no music plays. |
| 22:59:54 | tucoz | did you run make install? |
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| 23:00:16 | * | Sprite_tm slaps self on forehead |
| 23:00:18 | Febs | That's why I wrote the note for ipod users in the "Running Rockbox" section today. Since ipods don't use an ordinary filestructure (if loaded from itunes), there are a lot of "hey my player is empty!" posts in the forum. |
| 23:00:42 | tucoz | Febs, good catch. that is definitley a FAQ |
| 23:00:46 | bluebrother | I saw that in the commit logs. |
| 23:00:48 | Sprite_tm | Mmm, still no music tho'. |
| 23:00:53 | Febs | Then those people conclude that Rockbox isn't even running (notwithstanding the splash screen). |
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| 23:01:17 | Sprite_tm | The timer thingy stays at 0.00 too. |
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| 23:01:28 | bluebrother | a faq section in the appendix would also be nice. |
| 23:01:30 | tucoz | bluebrother, Febs, I can add a section to the wiki on what the quick-start chapter should contain. Where do you think I should put that? |
| 23:02:01 | bluebrother | tucoz, maybe we should add a new table "new manual structure ideas" or similar? |
| 23:02:03 | Sprite_tm | Any gotchas with respect to for which player I should build the sim? I used the X5. |
| 23:02:34 | tucoz | Sprite_tm, that is up to you. Which target do you wish to simulate? |
| 23:02:43 | tucoz | bluebrother, which page? |
| 23:03:17 | Sprite_tm | As long as it works, I don't mind :) I'm trying to eventually run the sim on the GP2X, to see if rocksbox is a better player than the built-in one. |
| 23:03:41 | tucoz | bluebrother, ManualTodo perhaps? |
| 23:03:44 | Febs | ManualTodo is the logical place, although it needs an overhaul. |
| 23:03:52 | Febs | Great minds think alike. |
| 23:04:03 | bluebrother | I thought of ManualTodo, but another option would be a new ManualIdeas or similar. |
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| 23:04:12 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 23:04:23 | tucoz | I wonder how many pages in the wiki are never accessed |
| 23:04:28 | Sprite_tm | Funny btw... I try to get a mp3player binary and it compiles Doom :) |
| 23:05:00 | bluebrother | ok, after reading the descriptions to me it doesn't seem to make a difference. At least with kpdf, konqueror and festival. |
| 23:05:02 | tucoz | Sprite_tm, maybe one that has a resolution similar to the gp2x |
| 23:05:54 | tucoz | I'll add it to the ManualTodo for now |
| 23:05:59 | bluebrother | Thus, I'd vote for using a . in the description items. Doesn't look that choppy to me than : |
| 23:06:26 | tucoz | gets my vote as well then |
| 23:06:38 | Sprite_tm | tucoz: That would be 320x240xrgb :) Prolly something like an ipod video would be best. |
| 23:06:52 | tucoz | Sprite_tm, yes. that is the same res |
| 23:07:25 | tucoz | you are running the sim on the gp2x now? |
| 23:07:46 | Sprite_tm | tucoz: I still get no music though... I did a make and make install, copied mp3s to the dir, but the timer thingy still stays at 0.00 while I do see a play icon. |
| 23:08:36 | Sprite_tm | Nope, on a normal PC. |
| 23:08:42 | Sprite_tm | (running Linux, btw) |
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| 23:09:02 | tucoz | Sprite_tm, sorry if I can't help you. It works fine here. (or did the last time I tried). |
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| 23:09:22 | bluebrother | Sprite_tm, may it be something else is blocking your sound device? Like arts or esd? |
| 23:09:44 | Sprite_tm | Afaik not, and even if, I have a sb live, which has a multi-openable /dev/dsp. |
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| 23:10:52 | Sprite_tm | tucoz: What snapshot do you have? See if it perhaps is a glitch in the cvs. |
| 23:11:00 | Sprite_tm | s/see/to see/ |
| 23:11:12 | tucoz | I have the latest cvs. I can try a new compile |
| 23:11:36 | bluebrother | Sprite_tm, I tried the latest cvs only some hours ago. |
| 23:11:36 | | Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") |
| 23:11:46 | Sprite_tm | Weeeeirdness... |
| 23:12:06 | Sprite_tm | I don't need any other libs than SDL to build the sim, do I? |
| 23:13:05 | tucoz | don't think so |
| 23:13:20 | bluebrother | if you can build it I guess you should have everything installed you need. |
| 23:13:41 | Sprite_tm | That's what I suspected too. |
| 23:13:46 | dionoea | maybe your alsa device is already used by something else |
| 23:14:04 | dionoea | woops, someone already asked that :) |
| 23:14:24 | Sprite_tm | Np, beter once too much than once too little :) |
| 23:16:40 | bluebrother | just did a rebuild, still works fine. |
| 23:17:56 | Sprite_tm | Mmm, the configure output does say 'Enabled PCM sound playback in simulator', so that's not it... |
| 23:18:01 | tucoz | Sprite_tm, I just tried. I got your results when I had mplayer running in firefox, but it works fine when I stopped that |
| 23:18:31 | Sprite_tm | I don't have these 2 integrated, but I'll kill ff anyway. |
| 23:19:04 | tucoz | no, but there could be some other app blocking your sound card |
| 23:21:22 | Sprite_tm | Mmmmmm... I think sdl-alsa is broken on my machine. |
| 23:21:38 | bluebrother | maybe lsof | grep snd helps? |
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| 23:21:42 | Sprite_tm | Installing libsdl1.2debian-oss yields intermittent, but working sound. |
| 23:22:12 | bluebrother | for me rockboxui opens /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 23:23:16 | Sprite_tm | Mmm, that command does nothing here... /me goes to look at the permissions of his /dev-dir. |
| 23:24:30 | Sprite_tm | Ah, a missing /dev/snd-dir, that explains :) |
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| 23:25:17 | dionoea | well not really |
| 23:25:20 | dionoea | depends on you device |
| 23:25:27 | dionoea | usually it's /dev/dsp |
| 23:26:35 | Sprite_tm | Nope, /dev/dsp is oss (or the alsa emulation of it) |
| 23:27:43 | bluebrother | alsa uses /dev/snd/* |
| 23:27:47 | dionoea | hum right ... i have a /dev/snd dir. ... never noticed it |
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| 23:33:53 | Mmmm | Febs: seen any "OMFG Rockbox bricked my remote!" threads yet? ;) |
| 23:36:55 | Febs | Not yet! :) |
| 23:37:03 | bluebrother | Mmmm, is there any? Sounds crazy. |
| 23:37:10 | ^jhMikeS^ | Had some problems with patch.......little longer. |
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| 23:37:23 | Mmmm | have you tried it? I don't think you'll be having any at all! |
| 23:37:40 | Mmmm | bluebrother: any what? |
| 23:37:49 | ^jhMikeS^ | OMFG My remote exploded after I undated! How do I fix it? |
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| 23:38:01 | bluebrother | any remote bricking thread |
| 23:38:45 | Mmmm | I did a disable remote LCD feature which should be idiot proof :D |
| 23:43:11 | BigMac | hmm trying to learn c, but i hate cygwin and cont have enough cpu space to installl it anyway |
| 23:43:23 | bluebrother | BigMac, try the vmware image. |
| 23:43:48 | bluebrother | gtg. bye. |
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| 23:47:27 | preglow | was there some way of making rockbox update the free clucster count? |
| 23:47:48 | tucoz | preglow, yes. press play in the info screen (or something like that) |
| 23:48:16 | preglow | cool |
| 23:51:05 | preglow | ahh, reminds me of the first time i ran the rockbox bootloader |
| 23:51:18 | preglow | and it just spent ages scanning the disk, looking very, very bricked |
| 23:51:23 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:51:28 | tucoz | the good old days |
| 23:51:45 | preglow | i think two people tried it before me, and it worked for them |
| 23:51:48 | preglow | so i was somewhat anxious |
| 23:52:16 | * | preglow goes logdiving |
| 23:52:27 | linuxstb | No faith at all... |
| 23:52:31 | tucoz | a trip down memory lane |
| 23:53:37 | tucoz | 01.04.36 # <preglow> i've got a guy yelling in spanish outside my window right now |
| 23:53:41 | tucoz | 01.04.44 # <preglow> i'd prefer he stopped it |
| 23:53:43 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:54:12 | | Part jaczehackse |
| 23:55:16 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:55:20 | preglow | the student flat... |
| 23:55:24 | preglow | 22.41.39 # <preglow> 'cause mine's less than responsive |
| 23:55:32 | preglow | 22.41.49 # <preglow> which would be pretty typical |
| 23:55:35 | preglow | initial low faith |
| 23:55:54 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:56:04 | tucoz | so you found the moment of truth |
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| 23:57:57 | linuxstb | 00.17.19 # <preglow> most unintuitive piece of coding i ever saw |
| 23:57:57 | linuxstb | 00.17.23 # <preglow> may it suffer in hell |
| 23:57:57 | linuxstb | 00.17.41 # <preglow> and steve jobs be found crying in purgatory |
| 23:58:04 | linuxstb | (guess what preglow just used....) |
| 23:58:10 | preglow | hahahah |
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