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#rockbox log for 2006-07-31

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00:30:48jakub-can i compile rb without sh-elf-gcc?
00:31:00jakub-i want only compile one plugin
00:31:19markunjakub-: which player do you have?
00:31:37jakub-gray 4
00:31:47markunwhat's that?
00:32:03jakub-iPod 4th gen Grayscale
00:32:11jakub-this one
00:32:14markunthen you have to use arm-elf-gcc
00:32:50jakub-could you tell me what is this?
00:33:01jakub-this is some addon to gcc?
00:33:07Bagderit _is_ gcc
00:33:12jakub-or separatet soft?
00:33:12Bagderbuilt to generate arm code
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00:36:03Mikachulinuxstb: haha, i finally found the problem
00:36:42Mikachulinuxstb: my theory is the summer heat doesn't go well with 78mhz, i've had that change forever with no problems before now
00:37:27jakub-markun: thx, now i know what i need to do :)
00:38:00markunjakub-: which plugin are you trying to compile?
00:39:11oboMikachu: what other goodies do you have in your build?
00:39:58Mikachulinuxstb: theory confirmed, it works fine after 30 seconds in the fridge too, at 78mhz
00:40:32Mikachuobo: for the purposes of finding my problem i had to split out my changes
00:40:38BagderMikachu: that the official "Rockbox iPod Swedish Winter Build" then? ;-)
00:40:48Mikachuyes :D
00:41:03Bagderthe long, dark and cold build
00:41:32Mikachuobo: obviously don't apply number 7 then
00:42:03 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:42:39Mikachuobo: is there a current version of the phones pause patch on the tracker?
00:42:56oboMikachu: current-ish :)
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00:44:04jakub-markun: xobox
00:44:38Mikachuonly the lang file rejected, good enough
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00:46:29oboMikachu: see if you can blackmail someone into comitting it
00:46:46Mikachui don't think i have anything on anyone
00:48:51Mikachuheh, it looks like you reversed the button.c function, mine pauses when i plug them in now :P
00:49:44oboyeah, I did - I thought it would be good if the function matched the name ;)
00:49:52Mikachugood idea
00:50:41Mikachuobo: btw, patch 2/2.5 and 5 depend on eachother
00:51:12obookay - I'll need to play with this lot tomorrow
00:51:30Mikachuphew, everything is back to normal now
00:51:57Mikachuactually there is one little hunk missing from those patches, i didn't bother to split it out since it for the bootloader
00:52:05Mikachuthe 'reboot to apple' entry doesn't make much sense without it
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00:52:45Mikachuthere, added it now
00:54:00*obo wonders what you'd need 26Mb of plugin buffer for
00:55:46BigMachey how many posts do you need to rank up to 2 stars on the forum
00:57:09Bagderno idea
00:57:27BigMacoh ok
00:57:32BigMacwell if anyone does speak up
00:57:45BigMaci have to go apply aloe vera to my massive sunburn
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02:01:42JdGordon#5364 was waiting for sooo long to be commited... why on earth was it done 2 days before it would have been not needced anymore?
02:04:00BigMacJdGordon: what is the ratio of successful to insuccessful on your compiler?
02:04:26JdGordonbuilds on my webpage?
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02:04:42BigMachow many patched builds have been successfully compiled?
02:05:24JdGordoni tihnk it was 2:~40 before i took the site down
02:05:48JdGordontoo many people dont read instructions, and too many patches were not in sync with cvs
02:06:40secleinteerhey, does any1 have a reccomendation on how often i should update?
02:06:47secleinteereg. get a new build
02:09:06Jungti1234anyone know RDS?
02:09:12Jungti1234Remote Data Service
02:09:22linuxstbJdGordon: Why would 5364 not be needed in 2 days time?
02:09:22JdGordonlook at the changleog on the main page and if something loooks nice upgrade'
02:09:37JdGordonlinuxstb: because ive changed it to play on iriver :)
02:09:53JdGordonwell not 2 days, once the actions are commited
02:10:26linuxstbI personally prefer that (PLAY is used to confirm on the ipods), but I'm not sure if it will be universally liked...
02:11:22JdGordonthe reason its changed is because it goes with std_accept which suits on/oplay better than navi
02:11:56JdGordonno real big deal, it can be uncommited from cvs just as easily cant it?
02:12:10Jungti1234Perhaps, iriver website done hacking.
02:13:06BigMaclinuxstb: i like select
02:13:20JdGordonlinuxstb: the patch whouls work fine again, if you want to try it on ipod
02:13:31JdGordonBigMac: your used to select.. so you like it
02:13:59BigMacyah i guess
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02:14:18linuxstbJdGordon: It's 1am and I'm about to sleep, but I'll give it a quick look. Where's the latest patch?
02:14:32JdGordonna dw, go to sleep :p
02:14:37JdGordon.. or the wiki
02:14:39BigMaclinuxstb: what languages should i learn if i want to be able to help with the effort on programming on the ipod 5g?
02:15:07BigMacjust C?
02:15:35JdGordonand arm asm
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02:15:46BigMacarm asm
02:15:51BigMacis that one thing or two
02:15:56BigMaci know asm already
02:16:28JdGordonarm assembly
02:16:49BigMack so it is a variant of asm?
02:17:01secleinteerno its a type of prosthetic making
02:18:14linuxstbBigMac: What assembly do you know already?
02:19:08BigMacits for calculators
02:20:05BigMaclinuxstb: do you guys still need help on the 5g, because i don't want to learn all this stuff not to be able to help you guys out
02:20:17linuxstbJdGordon: One thing I've noticed in the source - you've got the SETTINGS_INC and SETTINGS_DEC the wrong way round for the ipods. "INC" is FWD, and "DEC" is BACK.
02:20:45JdGordonthats what i thought, but i tried it in the sim and it is actually backwards
02:21:16BigMacdid any of you guys learn c in an online tutorial?
02:21:16linuxstbThe sim doesn't simulate the wheel very well.
02:21:39linuxstbBigMac: Rockbox is never finished, so help is always needed.
02:21:52JdGordonBigMac: i learnt from lots of exmaple and trying stuff, then learnt it properly from uni, c is pretty easy to learn
02:22:13JdGordonlinuxstb: oh ok
02:22:32BigMack and is arm difficult?
02:23:27JdGordonthe only asm i did was MIPS and i hated it, so i havnt even looked at learning arm
02:24:00jhMikeSIs there some way to get an assembly output when compiling? I mean something better than disassembling the .o file?
02:24:09jhMikeSIs there some way to get an assembly output when compiling? I mean something better than disassembling the .o file?
02:24:23linuxstbJdGordon: It compiles :) Now to test.
02:24:48MrStaticVoidjhMikeS: gcc -S file.c
02:25:03jhMikeSahh. thank you very much
02:25:27jhMikeSshouldn't I use CC?
02:25:32linuxstbjhMikeS: If you type "make V=1", that will display the gcc commands with all the required parameters. So you can copy and paste the line you need and add -S
02:26:25BigMacGET FLAC WORKING ON 3gen iPods!
02:26:42BigMacsomeone i know told me to tell you that
02:26:44jhMikeSok. thanks
02:26:51JdGordondidnt anyone tell you? it already does, u need to enable the option in the secret emnus
02:27:17BigMacor haha joke
02:27:32JdGordonwe cant tell you how tho, because the same menu has the hardcore sex scenes and the esrb will take our pg rating :D
02:27:52linuxstbBigMac: FLAC works on the 3g already.
02:27:54BigMacthats what i was lloking forwards to:-)
02:27:57BigMacit does
02:28:34linuxstbAt least, that's what the developer working on the 3g told me, and there is a post in the forum saying it works for him as well.
02:28:56BigMacis it in the latest build?
02:29:05BigMaclinuxstb: what do you work on?
02:30:18linuxstbBigMac: It's been in the builds for a couple of weeks - since audio playback started working on the 3g.
02:30:32linuxstbI work on a Color ipod, a 5g and an iriver H140.
02:31:36Drkepiloguedid you work out the ROLO thing yet?
02:31:53linuxstbJdGordon: First problem - I can't cancel out of a settings menu - e.g. changing the backlight timeout. It used to be MENU to cancel.
02:32:12linuxstbDrkepilogue: Not yet.
02:32:18JdGordonmenu is cancel is it? ok, i assumed it was long play
02:32:34linuxstbAh, long play works...
02:34:25linuxstbDon't change it though - long play is probably more consistent...
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02:34:45JdGordonoh ok
02:34:51*JdGordon unedits the wiki :p
02:35:01Paul_The_NerdUmm... manual people around?
02:35:19Paul_The_NerdI have a fairly major concern with a recent item in the changelog.
02:36:50linuxstbJdGordon: I'm not saying that we'll keep long play, just that I would quite like to see what mappings you come up with for the ipod - with the aim of being more consistent.
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02:36:57Paul_The_NerdOh, shoot, never mind.
02:37:02*Paul_The_Nerd is mildly stupid.
02:37:12linuxstbSo there's no problem?
02:37:16Paul_The_NerdNo problem
02:37:22linuxstbapart from your mild stupidity... :)
02:37:51JdGordonlinuxstb: ok, i thought it could get problematic tho, because short play is accept the change and long play is cancel?
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02:38:06Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Usually Menu is Cancel, isn't it?
02:38:20*Paul_The_Nerd has no idea what we're talking about.
02:38:37JdGordonanyway, i have to go have a shower so i can be at uni on time, if there is anything else wrong (and arnt falling asleep) can you add it to the wiki please?
02:39:32JdGordonthanks for trying it out
02:40:37linuxstbFast-forward in the WPS doesn't work well, but I think you know that?
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02:49:12JdGordonlinuxstb: really? damn, we were hoping we fixed it
02:49:24JdGordonunless i didnt fix the mapping correctly
02:51:26JdGordonno, its corect in the keymap file.. damn
02:52:40JdGordondoes the eq settings / colour chooser screens work fine?
02:52:48JdGordonthey have the same keys so only check one
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03:00:19BigMacanyone like the loop?
03:00:47Paul_The_NerdDo, For, or While?
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03:02:50BigMacPaul_The_Nerd: how many posts do i need to go from 1 star to two?
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03:06:22BigMaclinuxstb: you said c right not c++
03:08:07Paul_The_NerdBigMac: I honestly don't know. The stars don't really mean anything anyway. People tend to judge by the quality of your posts, not the quantity.
03:08:35*Paul_The_Nerd never quite understood the value of the 'do' loop.
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03:12:13BigMaci made my first program
03:12:31BigMacim on my way to being able to actually contribute to this community
03:14:19BigMacdo i just type the commands into cygwin/vmware?
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03:22:50midkayPaul_The_Nerd: people use do-while loops so that whatever's in the loop is at least executed *once* and then the while is checked, and it repeats if the while is true..
03:24:00midkayso if you want something to happen at least once and then continue on if the while allows, you'd use do-while.
03:24:04Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I dunno. My thoughts were always "A While can do anything a Do can, but a Do can't do everything a While can"
03:24:27midkaya do {whatever} while(); ?
03:25:02Paul_The_NerdA do-while MUST always execute once. A While can be made to execute once, if you set the conditions properly.
03:25:09Paul_The_Nerdexecute _at least_ once
03:25:11JdGordonand the most pointless code is do { something } while (0); !
03:25:39JdGordonand there are some #defined like that in rb for some reason
03:25:47midkayPaul_The_Nerd: so do-while is useful when you don't want to tweak the conditions and crap.
03:26:25Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah.
03:26:39midkaymaybe if you did like do {search_for_errors()} while (no_errors_found)..
03:27:12Paul_The_NerdAnd you could always start no_errors_found as false, before a while loop of the same thing.
03:27:45midkayi suppose. :)
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03:27:55midkaydunno, hard to think of a place it'd be particularly useful.
03:28:00midkaybut they must exist.
03:28:02midkayi'm sure of it.
03:28:35Paul_The_NerdI mean, there are times where it requires slightly less typing time (I'm really not sure of the compiler output difference) to set up a do-while.
03:28:50Paul_The_NerdBut I'm just curious if there's ever a place where a do-while must be used over a do.
03:28:54Paul_The_Nerderr over a while
03:29:38midkayconfusig. :)
03:29:48JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: i dont tinhk there would be much difference at all in the compiler output
03:30:14JdGordonanyway, uni time
03:30:15midkayyeah, i wonder also.. i'm sure you can get the same output for any do-while with some tweaks/additions to a plain old "while".
03:30:23midkaylaters JdGordon.
03:30:59Paul_The_NerdAlthough, I guess one could argue that a for loop is really another convenience, but I'm fond of those so I won't.
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03:32:39midkayyeah, you could say that, but i think a for loop over a while loop is more of a convenience than do-while versus while.
03:33:23midkaygenerally anything using "for" would take at least two more lines with "do" and wouldn't be so simple/concise IMO.
03:34:25Paul_The_NerdAye, a for adds a lot of convenience, *and* readability.
03:34:31Paul_The_NerdWell, as long as you don't abuse the for loop
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03:37:08Paul_The_NerdI suppose you could exist without any of the three loops if you really had to.
03:37:27midkaythat'd be particularly fun.
03:38:19Paul_The_NerdIfs and gotos by the truckload.
03:39:31midkayah, goto.. righto..
03:39:52midkayi was thinking instead of while(i<50) you'd just copy-paste the while's content fifty times.
03:39:57midkaybut i guess goto works as well.
03:40:07Paul_The_NerdThat wouldn't work well for variable numbers of iterations though.
03:40:19Paul_The_NerdIf you dropped the goto, you'd have to start using like, a LOT of recursion I guess.
03:40:23midkayon that note you could *technically* get by without goto.
03:40:57midkayif(iterations > 1) { second paste } if(iterations > 2) { third paste} ...
03:41:05midkaythen just set iterations and let 'er rip!
03:42:06Paul_The_NerdThat again only works though if you know how many the max number of iterations is.
03:42:38midkayjust copy-paste 32,768 times and you shall be fine!
03:42:49midkayunless you're unsigned int iterations.. :E
03:43:15Paul_The_NerdOr a long
03:43:17jhMikeSYou should only have to cut/paste 15 times
03:43:45Paul_The_NerdWhat you do is set iterations to whatever value you want.
03:43:51Paul_The_NerdThen do if(iterations−−) each time
03:44:00midkaythat works i suppose.
03:44:01Paul_The_NerdThat way you don't have to compare, and you have cleanly copyable code without needing alterations.
03:44:26midkaydarn geniuses. :(
03:46:43Paul_The_NerdThey should have programming competitions where certain keywords are simply banned.
03:47:09scorchelike "if"?
03:47:38Paul_The_NerdPeople would just get by with switch cases.
03:47:44Paul_The_NerdIt'd be fun.
03:48:05Paul_The_NerdBanning if would also have to exclued the blah ? X : Y syntax.
03:48:05midkayhahaha.. switch(i) { case 1: whatever(); }
03:48:46Paul_The_NerdOr x=0; while( condition && x==0) { blah; x=1;} and then while(x=0){the else stuff; x=1)
03:48:52midkayHEY WAIT A SECOND. scorche. wake up.
03:48:54Paul_The_NerdIt's *like* an if, only horribly not.
03:49:03midkayPaul_The_Nerd: huh.
03:49:08midkayhahaha, horribly not..
03:49:17scorchemidkay: please is getting on my nerves now...
03:49:23midkaywhat do they call it when you use words like that that don't really .. work with the other...
03:49:28midkaylike "terribly great".
03:49:38midkayscorche: well then stop saying you're leaving and not-really-leaving.
03:49:44midkayit is getting on my nerves.
03:49:47scorchei did leave
03:49:51scorchei just came back
03:50:00midkaynow you have the .vmf, so get to it mr. hammer expert.
03:50:07jhMikeSoxymoron "military intelligence"
03:50:09scorcheam i supposed to notify you when i get back?
03:50:26scorcheand i know...i opened hammer
03:51:08BigMaci made a prgram
03:51:14BigMacanother one down
03:51:31jhMikeSAright, I did m68k-elf-gcc -S <file> and all I got was a lousy .s file with some segment definitions, aligns, etc.
03:51:47jhMikeSNo assembly :((
03:54:57midkayhaha. military intelligence.
03:56:27jhMikeS:D - Any idea? MrStaticVoid??
03:58:01jhMikeSI'll try "-c". Compile and Assemble, do not link.
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04:11:45safetydanjhMikeS: What's the exact command you're typing?
04:13:24jhMikeSFrom the output I copied the options: m68k-elf-gcc -MG -MM -MT -S lcd-x5.c
04:13:44jhMikeSAnd tried: m68k-elf-gcc -MG -MM -MT -S -c lcd-x5.c
04:14:07jhMikeSNow I'm not even getting the .s file.
04:16:49safetydanThat doesn't seem like the normal rockbox compile line
04:18:20jhMikeSThat's what show using make V=1
04:18:46safetydanThat looks like the dependency line.
04:18:58safetydanIs there a line further on in the output ?
04:19:10safetydanI don't have a rockbox tree in front of me to test compiling
04:19:25safetydanYou want something that has a few -I and -D options
04:19:41jhMikeSThe full line: m68k-elf-gcc -MG -MM -MT "/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/build-x5-N/firmware/$obj"
04:20:08jhMikeSa line for what? There's thousands
04:20:53jhMikeSBefore it, reg exp: obj=`echo $each | sed -e 's/\.[cS]/.o/'`;
04:21:41safetydanDo something like "make V=1 | grep lcd-x5.c"
04:22:37safetydanYou may need to do a make clean first so it actually compiles something
04:22:46jhMikeSI'm was just doing that :)
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04:23:37jhMikeSThat's going to churn away for a bit
04:24:10jhMikeSI added "> lcddada.txt" to the end of that
04:26:12midkaydada as in an abbreviation or as in like a sound a baby makes?!
04:26:37jhMikeSlazy fingers
04:26:42midkaylet me try.
04:27:19jhMikeSwawawawawawawawawawawa...ok built
04:28:20jhMikeS(for each in common/unicode.c backlight.c buffer.c common/atoi.c common/crc32.c common/ctype.c common/dir.c common/file.c common/dircache.c common/disk.c common/errno.c common/memcmp.c common/memchr.c common/qsort.c common/random.c common/sprintf.c common/strcasecmp.c common/strcasestr.c common/strcat.c common/strchr.c common/strcmp.c common/strcpy.c common/strlen.c common/strncmp.c common/strncpy.c common/strrc
04:28:20jhMikeSmgmt.c system.c usb.c drivers/tlv320.c pcm_playback.c replaygain.c pcm_record.c sound.c drivers/m5636.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/power-x5.c drivers/generic_i2c.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/button-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/lcd-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/pcf50606-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/adc-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/ata-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/system-x5.c target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/usb-x5.
04:28:31jhMikeSCC target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/lcd-x5.c
04:28:45jhMikeSm68k-elf-gcc -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5 -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware/target/coldfire -Iinclude -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/firmware -Iexport -Icommon -Idrivers -I/home/user/rockbox-patch/rockbox-devel/build-x5-N -W -Wall -O -nostdlib -ffreestanding -Wstrict-prototypes -g
04:28:59jhMikeS:D = Whoa, but those are the lines.
04:29:02safetydanthat last line is what you want to add the -S to
04:30:25jhMikeSgonna give it a shot
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04:37:41jhMikeSlots of errors...
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04:44:36*jhMikeS thinks maybe it would be easier to change a makefile or script temporarily
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05:04:31jn-heil rockbox!
05:05:21scorcheforgot seig =P
05:05:55jhMikeSYeah, fershizzle!
05:06:34jn-i have a couple of questions.. most importantly.. itrip... good ol itrip, i found one method that includes taking the itrip apart and connecting a powersource which seems like a lot of work is there another/better way?
05:07:11scorcherockbox does not support the itrips yet
05:07:51jn-is there work being done for itrip support? thats the only thing keeping me from commiting 100 percent
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05:08:10safetydanI haven't seen anyone doing any work on it.
05:08:11jn-i use that itrip constantly, in the car.. intill i can get a better deck
05:08:38scorcheany transmitter that takes the input from just the headphone port will work
05:08:58jn-also, how do i move the menu down.. it's too high on the screen and blocking the status bar
05:09:07jn-inother words a direct connection?
05:09:20jn-i have no port in my deck and no tape player either
05:09:26jn-just cd/am/fm
05:09:50scorchelike i said, an FM transmitter that plugs into the headphone port will work
05:09:57scorcheand what menu?
05:10:20jn-what menu.. the main one, that i scroll thru
05:11:52midkayjn-: is the status bar disabled?
05:12:01midkaythe menu can't "block" it, it's either just enabled or disabled.
05:12:35jn-im using jBlackGlass
05:12:43jn-i also set his font
05:13:15midkayjn-: but, is the status bar enabled? turn it on if you want it.
05:13:20midkaythat's why we give you the option.
05:14:02jn-im confused.. when i look at this screen shot, the menu, that shows notes, contacts, data etc.. is below the time and all his other stuff
05:15:03safetydanjn-: Go to General Settings -> Display -> Status-/Scrollbar -> Status Bar
05:15:15safetydandoes it say "Yes" or "No"? If it's No, set it to Yes
05:15:47jn-it's yes
05:16:06jn-in j's screen shot a diff font is being used for time and diff icons for play etc
05:16:14jn-i think i might have not copied something?
05:16:57safetydanPossibly. It looks like the jBlackGlass theme depends on a patched version of Rockbox.
05:17:06jn-the time and icons are in the middle of the status bar insted of the top in his shot, and the menu starts below the bar
05:17:14jn-that is correct
05:19:06safetydanI've no idea then. Unofficial builds are out of my scope of knowledge.
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05:26:31jn-anyone happen to have a copy of itrip.xml it got moved of griffen's website
05:27:16jn-if i can just change the station it might work, i gave up on finding the xml a long time ago and got the new one, but since the new one doesnt work with rb yet....
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06:19:12jhMikeSIt works! \/ I changed "export CC=m68k-elf-gcc" to "export CC=m68k-elf-gcc -S -c" in the makefile so you get assembly output in the .o's instead. Good enough.
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07:38:16Bg3rmorning ;)
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07:43:07JdGordonmorning Bg3r
07:43:36Bg3rthese bad Monday mornings ...
07:44:40ToyKeeperWeird... dircproxy is logging just fine but can't recall text on freenode like it does on other networks.
07:44:46JdGordoni got a nice sleep in this morning... didnt have uni till 12 :)
07:44:53JdGordonand only had to stay for 2 hours
07:44:59Bg3rlucky u ;)
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08:40:51JdGordonmorning LinusN
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08:41:22JdGordonso that lang patch is finally commited aye :p
08:41:39*Bagder has his coffee
08:41:53Bagderofficially end of vacation day
08:42:11JdGordonhehe, had a nice vacation?
08:42:27Bagdervery nice indeed
08:42:32Bg3rvery good ;)
08:42:47Bagderand now I'll work from home for several months
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08:46:25dirthow do i use a car charger with out having rockbox reset over and over again
08:46:50JdGordondisconnect it before turning the car on/off?
08:47:40dirtcar was on, and i was playing a song and went to charge it when i noticed this..
08:48:28JdGordonwhy is it reseting? unless the car charger is crap and its resetting because its putting too much voltage into the player?
08:48:40JdGordonor does it always reset if oyu plug ac in?
08:48:44JdGordonwhich target?
08:49:00dirtseems like it wants to connect to a cpu, cause the same screen pops up when i connect rockbox to my computer
08:49:31*JdGordon guessed ipoo
08:49:37dirtipod photo
08:49:47dirtcharger is igo
08:50:09JdGordonok, im not sure if ac charging works in rb yet?
08:50:33dirtit froze once while playing a song too :/
08:50:40dirthow long have you been using rb?
08:50:50JdGordonsince november
08:50:55JdGordonbut not on an ipod
08:50:57Bagdersince summer 2002
08:51:07dirtBagder: on ipod?
08:51:17Bagderwhat's ipod?
08:51:21*Bagder runs
08:51:36JdGordonruning before 9am?? jeeze you are keen!
08:51:39dirtim wondering if there is a setting i could enable/disable so i dont crash again
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08:53:42JdGordondirt: wait around till linuxstb comes in, he's the ipod guy
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08:54:41LinusNJdGordon: you think we should have used Play to confirm?
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08:55:18JdGordonits now the standard true accept button for iriver
08:55:27Bg3rsometimes it's better to use other key for confirming than the button for select in menu
08:55:42Bg3r(like when u select to delete a file)
08:56:17Bg3rbut, otoh the habbits are strong :)
08:56:19JdGordonLinusN: did you make any changes to the diff after i left last night? ive fixed the 2 compile errors, and changed the iriver mapping again to actually work in some screens
08:56:37JdGordonhehe.. the habbits are strong in this one..
08:56:50LinusNi think Navi is better because the Play button is badly placed
08:57:02Bg3rLinusN: for h300 it's ok
08:57:06JdGordonon h100 maybe, h300 is better
08:57:07Bg3rbut for h100 ...
08:57:30LinusNwell, it's always possible to change it for h300
08:57:42Bg3ryep :)
08:58:11LinusNJdGordon: the menu code needs to signal a screen change when leaving
08:59:31JdGordonit does... well it should.. the signal is there, line 164, but it does work, i realised playing in the ipod sim
09:00:33JdGordonunless you want to make the yes/no a special case, i tihnk it should be checking for aciton_std_accept which is on/play, it could check for action_std_select also, but then you have 2+ buttons for the screen whih isnt good
09:01:16LinusNand why couldn't action_std_accept be Navi?
09:01:36LinusNlooks like having the same keymap for h100 and h300 is a bad idea
09:01:47Bg3rLinusN: huh, why ?
09:02:11LinusNbecause we might want action_std_accept to be navi on the h100 and play on the h300
09:02:23*JdGordon thinks the signalscreenchange function needs tweaking
09:03:38LinusNu sure?
09:03:50JdGordonif ((last_button&BUTTON_REPEAT) ||
09:03:51JdGordon (last_button&(~BUTTON_REL) )
09:04:16JdGordonso it eats the button_rel event
09:04:56JdGordonactually the first check is prob not even neded then
09:05:31*JdGordon checks
09:06:36JdGordonyup, its not
09:07:20LinusNlooks reasonable
09:08:44JdGordonLinusN: youd rather have the yes button be on the joystick?? it looks like you could easily pres it accidently instead of moving it in a direction. i tinhk the inconvienice on the play button would be a bonus
09:09:28LinusNJdGordon: yes, it's a valid point
09:10:03LinusNhowever, it's tricky to operate the h100 with one hand if you need Play to confirm, at least if you're right handed
09:10:50JdGordonhows that? isnt the play button under the thumb?
09:11:02LinusNmy thumb is on the joystick
09:11:09JdGordonits abou the same position as the hold switch on the h300 no?
09:11:45JdGordoni could see how neeeding to move thumb off the joystick would be annoying tho
09:12:05LinusNespecially when you have to loosen the grip of the player to move the thumb
09:12:43LinusNi even think that a yes/no dialog la iriver of would be better
09:14:44JdGordonhmm... std_accept and st_select are only ever used in the same loop in the tree.. so maybe we can remove select and rename it action_tree_select or sometihgn?
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09:16:13LinusNi think the tree wants two actions
09:16:30LinusNone for "select", which does what it does today
09:16:38JdGordonye, accept is used to go back to wps, select is select
09:16:53LinusNand another which performs an action of some kind, like queue
09:17:14LinusNso many people want one-click queue
09:17:24JdGordonqueue and stuff will come after, for the moment we dont want to add any more buttons than there is already
09:17:25LinusNi think we'd better prepare for it
09:17:35LinusNi agree
09:18:18LinusNi thought the x5 keymap was cumbersome when changing settings
09:18:24JdGordonok, im going to change action_std_accept to action_std_select and add a action_tree_wps
09:18:32LinusNthat you had to explicitly confirm the setting
09:19:17JdGordon? how does it work atm?
09:20:05LinusNthe standard behaviour is to leave the setting dialog with Left
09:20:20LinusNbut with your keymap, it cancels when you leave with left
09:21:00JdGordonhow do you cancel the change? or cant you?
09:21:05LinusNso now i have leave the setting with the Play button
09:21:36LinusNi don't know how we cancel a setting on the x5 in the current rockbox
09:21:48LinusN(i'm using the action patch atm)
09:22:06LinusNhow is the iriver keymap in your patch?
09:22:32LinusNdo you use std_accept to accept a setting?
09:23:32JdGordonye, and std_cancel is left which is cancel, but they could be easily changed
09:23:56JdGordonhmm... maybe std_ext and std_cancel need to be merged also
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09:25:20LinusNi think using std_accept to leave a setting is a pain
09:26:31LinusNat least if std_accept is Play
09:26:46LinusNthe play button is even worse placed on the x5
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09:28:58NastYQUESTION: My jukebox 20GB has bust. Lights up but the harddrive does'nt seem to fire up. Can I exchange the harddrive for a 40GB laptop disk? Does that work?
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09:29:24LinusNare you sure that it is the harddrive that is broken?
09:29:37BagderNastY: as long as its 9.5mm and not the oldish thicker ones
09:29:38NastYLinusN: not sure but I think so.
09:29:57jn-how do i shut down rb? i know how to restart (ipod photo)
09:30:12Mikachuhold plya
09:30:23NastYLinusN: It starts but when the "loading meter" is half way through or something it halts and makes some klicking noises.
09:30:43JdGordonLinusN: merging std_accept and std_select seems to have worked, except im getting eaten keys in the ipod sim, but thats probably a bad mapping
09:31:00NastYLinusN: And the disk does'nt seem to be spinning.
09:31:15LinusNNastY: it could very well be the power supply
09:31:27NastYLinusN: to the disk?
09:31:41LinusNyes, for example broken battery connectors
09:32:09LinusNNastY: is it a v2/fm version or a plain recorder?
09:33:10NastYWhat's v2/fm? Radio and stuff? Mine is old as shit, can record.
09:33:19LinusNNastY: ok, try this:
09:33:41LinusNsqueeze the bumpers so you compress the battery compartment
09:34:09LinusNthen turn it on (with your nose or something, as your hands are busy squeezing) :-)
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09:34:30MikachuLinusN: this sounds very scientific
09:34:54NastYjust push all for towards the center like? Or do you mean pushing them together between thumb and index finger? :)
09:34:55LinusNNastY: it could also be the mosfet that controls the hd power that is broken
09:35:07NastYLinusN: What is that?
09:35:14Bagderan experienced Archos user have a very hard nose for this purpose
09:35:16NastYLinusN: mosfet
09:35:23LinusNa transistor
09:35:55*Bagder has been down this road
09:35:57LinusNNastY: so you squeeze the batteries together
09:36:34LinusNNastY: since you hear no sound from the hd, it might very well be the mosfet
09:36:59LinusNbut it's always a good idea to check the battery connectors first, as they are very often loose
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09:43:35NastYOk, I've found it. I'll try the squeeze.
09:43:48JdGordonok, so now you can use navi or right or on/play in the yesno screen (which isnt really so good)
09:44:08NastYBollocks! Batteries are flat.
09:44:32NastYLinusN: Thanks for your help, I'll be back when I've charged me batteries.
09:45:20LinusNNastY: good luck
09:45:39LinusNJdGordon: no, that's not good
09:45:57JdGordonor we give the yesno screen its own context?
09:46:04LinusNor perhaps the settings screen
09:46:15*NastY is gone. bbl
09:46:36JdGordonna, its ok to have all those options in the settings context, just not the yes no screen
09:46:48LinusNi like being able to cancel a setting, but not having to confirm it
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09:47:42JdGordonok, so map left and select all to OK and then off to cancel and you can
09:49:32LinusNin the settings context
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09:50:32LinusNit's nice that we now have a better way to remap the buttons
09:50:53Mikachuyou don't need 3 miles of #ifdef CONFIG_KEYPAD in plugins now?
09:51:04JdGordonyes in plugins
09:51:09LinusNin the plugins, yes
09:51:10JdGordonbut that will be gone soon
09:51:43LinusNthe first thing we need to do with the plugins is to use the rockbox menu functions instead of all those home baked ones
09:52:00*preglow back
09:52:07*LinusN greets preglow
09:52:11preglowhi all
09:52:14Mikachuyes, i'm always confused by all the different menus
09:52:26LinusNso silly and so unnecessary
09:52:31Bagderwelcome back preglow
09:52:43*LinusN does the norwegian hacker dance
09:52:49Mikachuin theory, could you take the home baked ones and plug them in to the rb api and have an option to select menu style?
09:52:54Bagderoh, that's a rare one!
09:53:02preglowi've never seen it before myself
09:53:47LinusNMikachu: i want to be able to customize the gui look
09:53:55LinusNin the themes
09:54:04preglowthat would be lovely
09:54:12LinusNthat includes the menus and the status bar
09:54:17Bagderjust don't tell amiconn ;-)
09:54:28*LinusN edits the log
09:54:52JdGordonthe status bar should be wpsified :D menus are fine as text
09:55:12LinusNi'm talking about the scroll bar and the cursor
09:55:37LinusNi also want a title for all menus and settings
09:56:11LinusNeven a title for the browser, telling me which dir i'm in
09:56:17JdGordonhell ye :D
09:56:41LinusNconfigurable of course, as we want to conserve screen estate on the smaller lcd's
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09:57:55JdGordonok, yes in the yesno screen is navi for both irivers
09:58:27JdGordonso the commit wasnt a waste :D
10:01:42JdGordondamn the iriver keymap file is getting huge
10:01:47JdGordontoo many remotes
10:02:02Bg3rdid you add the non-lcd one ? :)
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10:02:58Bg3rit has only <<, >>, vol-, vol+, and play/pause ...
10:03:00Bg3ras i see it
10:03:03Bg3rin the tree
10:03:15Bg3r<< = prev entry
10:03:18Bg3r>> = next entry
10:03:21Mikachudid the frontpage stick?
10:04:01JdGordonno, not yet
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10:05:01Bg3rpetur: ;)
10:05:36Bg3rhow should we allocate these buttons in the file tree/menu ?
10:05:44Bg3rpetur: wazzz upp
10:06:08peturBg3r: just got back from holiday :D
10:06:45Bg3rwhich is used more frequently - entry up/ entry down, or dir up/dir down (dir also means menu ...)
10:06:47peturwill need a week to cacth up with what changed at rockbox ;)
10:06:54Bg3rvery good
10:07:09Bg3rdidn't happen SO much
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10:07:24Bg3rexcept the action stuff
10:07:34Bg3rLinusN, JdGordon ?
10:07:46Bg3rpetur ?
10:07:55Bg3rsee my question
10:08:07JdGordoni have no idea
10:08:11JdGordon50:50 prob
10:08:18Bg3rthat's bad
10:08:26Bg3rwe have 4 buttons for this
10:08:36Bg3rand 2 of them aren't very good (vol+/vol-)
10:08:38JdGordonvol+- can be one of them and << >> can be the other
10:09:07Bg3rbut have you ever seen the non lcd remote ?:)
10:09:09LinusNi don't like that silly remote
10:09:09linuxstbpetur: It's not in CVS yet, but ipod recording is working - on both the 4g and 5g.
10:09:18JdGordonhmm... we can worry about that soon.. right now im trying to figure out why my buttons are getting eaten :p
10:09:29peturlinuxstb: nice
10:09:51midkaydongs: does that not make sense?
10:09:58dongshow do you record on ipod
10:09:59linuxstbpetur: The main problem stopping me from committing is that recording breaks playback...
10:10:11Bg3rah, linuxstb, sorry, forgot about this one
10:10:22midkaylinuxstb: haha, that might be something you'd want to consider before committing, yeah :)
10:10:25midkaywhat's the problem?
10:10:26scorche`dongs: through the left headphone channel i believe
10:10:39dongsscorche`: works on any ipod? or what
10:11:20scorche`linuxstb: did he ever get that to work on nano?...or was it only static?
10:11:25linuxstbdongs: On the 4g Greyscale and Photo/Color, you can record via the right channel in the headphone socket, and also in Stereo via the line-in hidden in the dock connector. On the 5g, it's just via the line-in in the dock.
10:11:51scorche`ah...right....well, it was 50/50 =(
10:11:52dongsand i guess on nano, it just doenst happen.
10:12:17linuxstbscorche`: The headphone recording doesn't work on the Nano - someone with a line-in adapter needs to test that, but I've got a feeling there's no recording hardware in the Nano.
10:12:34scorche`same...but it was worth a try
10:12:47preglowany idea why recording breaks playback?
10:13:17*petur was wondering the same
10:13:47peturmaybe the monitoring?
10:13:58linuxstbI'm either not reinitialising the DAC properly, or it's something to do with I2S... I haven't tried to debug it properly yet.
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10:15:23preglowand you've disabled the fast fiq handler?
10:16:03linuxstbpreglow: I also implemented RoLo, but seem to be having cache problems. The code in CVS works if you rolo the exact same rockbox.ipod that you are running. It can rolo a different rockbox.ipod if you build Rockbox without the cache enabled. But with the cache enabled, it will just crash...
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10:16:39Bagderbtw, there's _some_ progress on the Sansa BL dissassembling but I've not yet tried to verify the findings
10:16:51Bagderlike the LCD access
10:17:05preglowlinuxstb: how nice
10:17:09linuxstbpreglow: Yes, the fiq should be disabled. Rockbox doesn't crash, but I think the FIQ is never being fired during playback (if you do a recording first). Playback still works fine if you never record.
10:17:55Bagderthe PP BL seems to be C++ coded, lots of indirections
10:18:06linuxstbBagder: Yes, the IPL people have mentioned that.
10:19:38preglowBagder: nice...
10:19:48preglowoh well
10:19:58preglowefficiency isn't _that_ important in the bl, i guess
10:20:10Bagderand the H10 skinning people have gone wild
10:20:50JdGordonis the bricked h10 getting rma'd?
10:20:56JdGordonor was it fixed?
10:20:58BagderI don't know
10:21:06BagderI hope he sorts it out
10:21:15linuxstbLast I heard it was going back to iriver - he had about 3 days left on his warranty.
10:21:16aliaskI think he was getting it RMA'd - his warantee ran out today
10:22:41aliaskIt's strange about it bricking though, it seemed like it was working so well - and people were suggesting it was going to be one of those 'impossible to brick' players...
10:23:33BagderI agree
10:23:48Bagdervery strange problem
10:24:36linuxstbMaybe just a co-incidence... Although he was possibly stressing the hard drive with constant rebooting and installing new firmware images.
10:25:48aliaskWait - isn't the sansa flash based?
10:25:53aliaskOh wait
10:25:57LinusNanybody who wants to give this a look?
10:26:03LinusNhi aliask :-)
10:26:13aliaskHallo linus
10:26:23aliaskI do!
10:27:07LinusNaliask: does it work on all targets?
10:27:29LinusNaliask: psst, it's spelled "extension" ;-)
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10:28:17jn-hey im having a problem loading themes in the newest build of ipod-color
10:28:20aliaskI'll have to check it for other targets, give me a tick.
10:28:25safetydanaliask, also there's some tab vs spaces issue in that patch
10:28:31JdGordonLinusN: ok, ive cheated a bit, but its working better now, except for some reason its eating button presses more than it shoulld
10:28:36LinusNaliask: especially the player
10:28:51aliasksafetydan: Damnit - I thought I'd weeded them all out
10:28:56LinusNJdGordon: when does it eat them?
10:28:59aliaskStupid vim...
10:29:08JdGordonits more random now
10:29:42jn-have you guys been hearing about this problem with the new daily build? should i revert to an older one?
10:29:55safetydanjn-, what problem?
10:30:01safetydanoh wait
10:30:06*safetydan tries reading next time
10:30:10jn-loading themes
10:30:21LinusNjn-: what happens when you load the theme?
10:30:24jn-new daily build ipod color, i have a photo
10:30:24Mikachuyou haven't actually said what the problem is
10:30:32jn-the theme does not load...
10:30:45JdGordonfirst press going into a new menu is eaten
10:31:08jn-the default theme ends up running no matter what theme i load
10:31:37jn-the font changes though :/
10:31:42JdGordonno, its maybe the button_rel check which is wrong
10:31:58LinusNjn-: that proves that the theme is loaded
10:32:08jn-mm.. nothing's changed but the font
10:32:21jn-i tried jolt for example which is a full gui overhaul
10:32:44LinusNjn-: have you tried to reinstall the jolt theme?
10:32:49jn-im gonna try an older build unless someone has a better idea..
10:32:51jn-yes i have
10:33:01jn-ive also tried the themes that came with it
10:33:12jn-with the modified fw from j i can load his theme np
10:33:16jn-but it freezes
10:33:32jn-after 5 min or more
10:33:57safetydanjn-, theme loading works in the sim... haven't got a current build on an actual target
10:34:17jn-i'll try a older version..
10:34:51jn-do you know a build that for sure load's themes
10:34:59jn-how far back should i go?
10:35:04LinusNjn-: the thing is that it should work
10:35:30jn-i dont know.. it's installed correctly
10:35:49jn-the default themes haven't been touched
10:36:05jn-they should load right? no extra conf nec
10:36:19LinusNtry the icatcher theme
10:36:25jn-does not work
10:36:30Mikachualso try selecting the wps file directly
10:37:03jn-oh shit
10:37:09jn-works :)
10:37:21Mikachumaybe the files just have the wrong case?
10:37:33jn-sorry guys, im quick to jump to conclusions, i was just looking at the menu's
10:37:38Mikachuright, that won't matter on fat
10:37:46Mikachuit should still work when you select the theme .cfg
10:37:51jn-they work
10:38:23Mikachuhah, i see
10:38:30Mikachuyou selected the theme, but didn't go to the wps screen
10:38:43jn-lol i didnt know that was the only thing that was changed
10:39:12LinusNcurrently, only the wps is configurable
10:39:38Mikachui think themes can also change the menu/filebrowser background picture
10:39:54peturand font
10:40:04jn-it's a shame that j's theme rely's on his custom build (that crashes) cause the wpa screen is VERY nice
10:40:19jn-and the other stuff is configured too
10:41:22jn-has there been many reports of crashes on the latest builds?
10:42:24LinusNJdGordon: so what's the current status?
10:42:31aliaskAny vim gurus out there that can stop it autoinserting tabs? (for bonus points indent using four spaces)
10:42:37linuxstbjn-: The 4g ipod and ipod Color have been crashing randomly for a while - no-one's tracked down the cause yet. But as I'm the only dev with either of those ipods, it's on my to-do list....
10:42:56linuxstbjn-: The problem is that it's apparently quite random, and hard to reproduce.
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10:43:11Mikachualiask: :set sts=4 i think
10:43:12JdGordonLinusN: im playing with the button eating to see whats happening, it seems to like eating normal presses even if the triggereing press was from a BUTTON_REL key
10:43:23Bg3rset expandtab
10:43:23Bg3rset tabstop=4
10:43:29Mikachuor maybe that
10:43:35jn-linuxstb: the crashes?
10:43:48LinusNJdGordon: perhaps a keymapping prereq issue?
10:44:02linuxstbJdGordon: Not sure if you read my comment in IRC immediately after you disappeared about 8 hours ago - but on the ipods, FFWD in the WPS doesn't work properly. It skips to the next track, and then starts fast forwarding.
10:44:10linuxstb(with your action patch, obviously)
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10:44:25JdGordonlinuxstb: i did, you didnt read my reply obviously :D
10:44:33Mikachualiask: yes Bg3r is right, ignore me
10:44:40JdGordonwell have to figure out whats hapenjing there
10:44:41linuxstbJdGordon: I went to sleep immediately afterwards.
10:44:45aliaskOk, thanks both of you :)
10:44:49*linuxstb reads the log again
10:44:52JdGordonLinusN: no, i dont tinhk so
10:45:06LinusNwhat did you change in the code?
10:45:07JdGordonlinuxstb: i just replied that it should have been fixed and not sure
10:45:27JdGordonthe check before starting to eat, so it must have been wrong
10:45:50jn-linuxstb: can i msg you please?
10:46:48JdGordonLinusN: ok, its back to what it was (which looks wrong to me), but its working
10:47:16JdGordonso once again, i tinhk we are good to go :)
10:47:41LinusNok, update the patch in the wiki, and i'll have a look at it later
10:47:51JdGordonexcept the mappings, and this issue with ffwd/rwd not working on ipod
10:51:13LinusNi think it's pretty important that we don't break things too much on the initial commit
10:51:54JdGordonwiki updated
10:52:42JdGordonoff the top of my head the only things broken are F* keys, radio preset menu, and no delete bookmarks
10:53:45LinusNthe radio screen is a general mess
10:53:45JdGordonall targets should compile cleanly now tho
10:53:57LinusNwhat's the prob with delete bookmarks?
10:54:08JdGordonwasnt sure which button to use for it
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10:54:22LinusNwell, which button is it now?
10:54:49JdGordondunno, std_cancel is used to exit the screen, and std_ok selects it
10:55:16JdGordonso it will probably need another context for it, but thats ok...
10:55:49JdGordoni could put std_menu there for the delete?
10:55:58LinusNor maybe we need to clean up the ui for the bookmarks?
10:56:15JdGordonor context
10:56:22JdGordonyes, thats a better idea :)
10:56:45LinusNnew context is probably a good idea in the short term
10:57:17LinusNthis new action concept will be a nice eye opener for the ui in general
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10:58:37BagderLinusN: as Mr "Target Tree", it would be neat if you could check the H10 patch
10:59:45*JdGordon loves how the gui thread crashes but the backlight still works
11:00:00Bg3rJdGordon: :D
11:00:55Bagder(I'm interested in adding Sansa to build system)
11:01:06Bagderfor easier experimenting
11:03:02LinusNBagder: looks ok, apart from some small misunderstandings
11:03:18LinusNi'll have a look and commit the parts that are ok
11:04:02JdGordonand do the dirwalker patch also......
11:04:10JdGordoni mean.... if you want to :D
11:04:14*LinusN is suddenly swamped with work :-)
11:04:34LinusNi'd like to have a second opinion on the dirwalker. i think it looks ok.
11:05:03*JdGordon is happy with the h300 main unit button mappings
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11:14:41JdGordoni tinhk the yesno screen is broken
11:15:00JdGordonor maybe on when its called by tree because of new rockbox.iriver
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11:18:13LinusNbtw, i was thinking about the target tree and bootloaders
11:18:52LinusNmaybe it would be enough to do like the ipod (and now h10) bootloader does, by having a separate file for each target
11:19:10linuxstbLinusN: Are you talking about the code in bootloader/ ?
11:19:13LinusNipod.c, iriver_hxxx.c, iaudio-x5.c etc
11:19:22LinusNlinuxstb: yes
11:20:51linuxstbI was thinking that maybe a file such as "common.c" or "boot.c" could be used for common functions such as load_rockbox() - that should be identical everywhere.
11:21:23jn-quick question, how do i delete the mp3's installed in the apple os.. i have them backed up and am going to add them to rb
11:21:40LinusNlinuxstb: something like that, yes
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11:24:18JdGordonlinuxstb: how do u go back to wps and stop playback in the tree browser?
11:24:39LinusNPlay goes to wps iirc
11:26:13JdGordonand im assuming hold play to stop then?
11:26:16LinusNand long_play stops, right?
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11:26:47LinusNi'm not sure i like that feature btw, to stop the playback in the browser
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11:26:59LinusNfeels so half-baked
11:27:28LinusNi mean, you can't stop the playback in the manus, only in the browser
11:27:37LinusNwhy there?
11:27:50LinusNwhy not just go to the wps and stop there?
11:27:53JdGordonbut some people leave it in the tree, noone leaves it intentionally in the menu
11:28:07midkayi do occasionally to let the buffer fill up..!
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11:28:38JdGordonin the menu or tree?
11:28:56JdGordonipod map looks good in the sim, can anyone test on target?
11:29:03midkayin fact i idle in the menu a lot of the time just to let it keep up with itself better (less CPU usage than the oft-updating WPS).
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11:29:36jn-so um.. how can i get rid of the mp3's that were on my ipod before installing rb?
11:29:50midkayjn-: from iTunes?
11:30:01midkay.. from ephPod?
11:30:09midkayi mean, delete them from ephPod.
11:30:27jn-can i just del a folder?
11:30:42jn-w/o running ephpod
11:30:43linuxstbjn-: You can just delete the ipod_control directory if you're not planning on using the Apple firmware.
11:31:08jn-linuxstb: can i msg you about something?
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11:31:23linuxstbThe Apple firmware will just recreate it next time you start it - but obviously without any music.
11:31:41linuxstbjn-: OK, but if it's Rockbox related, you could just ask here.
11:31:59JdGordonwhat button is yes in the yesno screen on recorder?
11:33:55nudelynhi midkay. i think my messages to you get blocked but i am here :)
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11:35:10JdGordonand ondio?
11:35:12midkayhey nudelyn - haha, better register at some point :) i just saw you come in - you're nudel, as in the nudel 5g theme, right? - didn't want to bother the channel, but are you involved with any mapping communities? :)
11:35:44nudelyni made half a quakeworld CTF map once but never released/finished it, that's about it
11:36:13midkayah, k.. 'cos i see this "nudel" guy around in a lot of mapping places, was curious if it happened to be you :)
11:37:27nudelynhehe, there's a few nudels now... damn internet, making you feel unoriginal all the time. (I guess choosing a german word for a name was quite likely to clash eventually.. :))
11:38:01midkayhaha, oh, really, it's a german word? what's it mean? :)
11:38:53LinusNbtw, we will need a charging screen in the h300 bootloader
11:38:55preglownoodle? :>
11:39:13midkayhaha, should have guessed.. is that right? :)
11:39:23LinusNanyone care to draw a nice animation?
11:39:42midkayso you'll use bitmaps?
11:39:46midkayi wouldn't mind trying one..
11:40:06LinusNyes, 4-5 bitmaps would be ok
11:40:21JdGordonLinusN: any chance of getting alaram wakeup into the next h300 bootloader?
11:40:25midkaycool.. hmm.. anything in mind?
11:40:26LinusNJdGordon: yes
11:40:41peturI'd rather see the animation as is used in the status bar: shows animation plus level
11:40:45LinusNmidkay: only a simple, filling battery, standard style
11:40:51JdGordonyes as in if someone does a patch its in? or yes its being worked on?
11:40:56LinusNpetur: sure, why not?
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11:41:07LinusNJdGordon: yes, i'm working on it
11:41:10JdGordonmidkay: do the rockbox logo inside a battery being filled
11:41:14JdGordonawesome :D
11:41:19midkayJdGordon: hahaha. :D
11:41:27midkayLinusN: hmm.. what sort of size will it be?
11:41:52LinusNthe size you make it :-)
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11:41:54midkaynot sure how much it should fill the screen.. i guess you want a few lines for battery status/voltage/that stuff..
11:41:56midkayhaha. :)
11:42:05midkaywhat sort of size ought i to make it? :)
11:42:07LinusNi don't want it too big though
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11:42:34LinusNjust a battery icon that i can place in the center of the lcd
11:42:57midkayalright, maybe around like 120x50 roughly?
11:43:04midkaywill probably have to tweak the aspect ratio..
11:43:05LinusNmaybe 1/2 to 1/3 of the lcd width
11:43:10JdGordonaaww.. we need at least one screen in the default install which isnt boring :)
11:43:39midkay100x50 maybe? 120x60 looks good, sizing it down to 100x50 would probably be just right then..
11:43:43LinusNi'd also like a color usb logo
11:43:57LinusNand grayscale
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11:44:06midkayi'd like to try that too, but no promises :)
11:44:13peturand usb charging?
11:44:18LinusNpetur: yes
11:44:38Bg3rLinusN: any probability for backlight not working non-stop in the bootloader of h300 ?
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11:45:11Bg3ri mean
11:45:19Bg3rany possibility:)
11:45:42LinusNi don't get it. you mean that it is constantly on in the current version?
11:45:51LinusNah, i see
11:46:15LinusNmaybe we should gather a todo list in IriverBoot
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11:46:17Bg3rmy english as usual :)
11:48:14JdGordonok, yesno screen is broken for some reason!
11:48:55LinusNbroken, how?
11:49:48midkayLinusN: hm, the statusbar draws an animation from 0-100% and then pauses on the true value for a few seconds, right?
11:50:01JdGordonit doesnt work. no button gets registered
11:50:14LinusNJdGordon: it doesn't return YESNO_NO anymore, why?
11:50:15peturit shows the current level in gray
11:50:27midkayaah... hmmm...
11:50:46JdGordonLinusN: no it doesnt return.. it seems to get stuck in the button loop
11:51:02midkayhow would that integrate into the animation then? would you draw a gray rectangle for the current level and the transparent bitmap atop that?
11:51:05LinusNyes, that's because you removed result=YESNO_NO from the dafault: case
11:52:13JdGordonhehe, that would make sense :p
11:52:42JdGordoni tinhk i removed it thinking it was a button define
11:53:42LinusNJdGordon: a tip: when you wonder why something broke, check the patch
11:53:55LinusNthat's how i saw it
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11:55:01midkayaw, great.
11:55:29JdGordondinner, bbs
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12:01:42linuxstbJdGordon: To answer your question from a while ago, "stop playback in file browser" isn't implemented on the ipods. Just look for the definition of TREE_OFF in the current tree.h for the targets which do and don't implement that.
12:04:23*linuxstb wonders why people are so keen to have a sleep mode in Rockbox.
12:07:25dan_a_linuxstb: For iPod users I'd say because that's how Apple firmware works. I use the IPL bootloader, which boots into the Apple firmware by default, and so whenever RB powers off it will reboot to the original firmware, unless I'm paying attention.
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12:18:15Slasherihmm, interesting idea on the forums.. maybe i will adjust tagcache code so that it can detect and read any endianess
12:18:23Slasheriwriting would still happen on the host endianess
12:19:44linuxstbSlasheri: Is it worth the increase in code size (and complexity) ?
12:25:54safetydaninteresting results from profiling the sim
12:26:35Slasherilinuxstb: hmm, i am not sure. but that would be quite useful if we want pc application to build the tagcache db
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12:29:08Mikachuisn't it easier to make the computer app take care of the endianness?
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12:38:32linuxstbSlasheri: Given that a PC application needs to read the files on your DAP, it could easily detect the endianness based on the files in .rockbox (or the rockbox.XXX in the root).
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12:51:18Bagderthe app doesn't _need_ to read files off the DAP
12:51:25Bagderbut it could
12:52:57JdGordoncan anyone test the button mappings on any target other than iriver?
12:53:20Mikachucan't it just check what device it actually is?
12:54:15Bagderyes, if the endianess differ it will have to
12:54:30Bagderor get told
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12:56:44linuxstbBagder: I'm not sure how many people maintain an identical copy of their DAP's hard drive on their PC....
12:57:21Mikachui don't, so that's 0/1 so far
12:57:46BagderI do on 2 out of 3
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12:59:14midkayi do... 3/4.. :)
12:59:27JdGordoni dont 3/5
12:59:36Mikachuactually i think that makes 3/6
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12:59:52midkayno, 4/6, right.
13:00:05Mikachuno, 3/6 :)
13:00:06midkayi would with my iPod if tagcache didn't database all my ipod_control files.. dunno if that counts :)
13:00:26linuxstbI don't on four different DAPs - 3/10
13:00:28midkayMikachu: 0/1 -> 3/4 -> 4/5 -> 4/6..
13:00:44dan_a_I don't, so 3/11
13:00:51midkay*stabs face* never mind.
13:01:01Mikachuthat's okay, *hands over some bandaid*
13:01:21midkayhm, how about some medical tape and gauze.. in fact maybe a pillow would work best :)
13:02:00midkayit should probably be counted as one-per-person since if you're against the idea you won't do it for any of your players.. or if you like it, you'll probably do it to all of them or most of them..
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13:03:12linuxstbBut anyway... I would say it's up to Slasheri to judge how much this will complicate tagcache. I'm not arguing against the fact that making tagcache's binary files endian-neutral in some way would be a desirable feature, just that I'm not sure if the complication is worthwhile.
13:03:35midkayi don't even know what stemmed the question.. *reads up* :)
13:03:35Mikachucan't you make the format endianspecific and just have the conversion decided at compile time?
13:03:49Mikachuwhere by "can't" i mean "is it a good idea?"
13:04:14linuxstbYes, that crossed my mind as well. So the binary files would also be (for example) big-endian, so little-endian targets would always have to byte-swap.
13:04:22linuxstbs/also be/always be/
13:04:48Mikachusurely rb already has some generic functions to byteswap
13:04:49JdGordonthat sounds like it would slow down tc a fair bit
13:05:13JdGordonif tc isnt loaded into ram its pretty slow, i wouldnt want it any slower than it is
13:05:29Mikachuwhat numbers are we byteswapping here anyway?
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13:05:44linuxstbgtg, back later.
13:05:44dan_a_I would imagine that it's better to push the heavier processing onto machines with more power - i.e. where the app is, not on Rockbox
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13:06:07JdGordonye, convert it to the targets endianness on the comp,
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13:21:16JdGordonnoone wants to play guinea pig?
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13:22:50sharpe`not really.
13:23:41dan_a_JdGordon: I can test on a 3g iPod in about 6 hours
13:24:30sharpe`i could test on an ipod video...
13:25:20JdGordonye? ill do a build for ya then
13:25:26Mikachuobo: initially to view larger jpg files while playing music
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13:26:53JdGordonipod doesnt have rolo yet does it?
13:27:10Mikachui think linuxstb mentioned he had it half working
13:27:57JdGordonbefore you copy it on, can u tell me how big the current build is?
13:28:03JdGordoni mean the copy you have installed already
13:28:22sharpe`as soon as i figure out where my ipod is, sure.
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13:30:06Mcfloydhi ppl
13:30:10sharpemy current firmware size, 428496 bytes.
13:30:21Mcfloydwho can answer some dumb q's 4 me pls?
13:30:28sharpewe can.
13:30:30JdGordonis that cvs or custom build?
13:30:33Mcfloydhehe pvt?
13:30:45JdGordonjust ask in the chan
13:30:47sharpeMcfloyd: you're better off just asking them
13:31:02sharpeah, i believe it's a cvs build...
13:31:11JdGordonhmm. ok
13:31:17Mcfloydwell after you installed rockbox on ur ipod can you still use itunes?
13:31:27Mcfloydand anapod?
13:31:30sharpeJdGordon: so what am i testing?
13:31:35sharpei would imagine so.
13:32:00Mcfloydis there any other softa thats beta than anapod or itunes to use?
13:32:22sharpei'm not one to ask, i don't use any ipod-specific software.
13:32:27FebsBy "beta" do you mean "better"? Or "beta"?
13:32:27Mikachuwith rockbox, you can just copy your music over
13:32:35Mcfloydbetter soz
13:32:37Mikachuyou don't have to use any special "softa"
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13:32:45Mcfloyd o ok
13:32:48FebsPlease use standard English here.
13:32:56rconanMcfloyd: what do you want your software to do?
13:33:00Mcfloydso you can just copy it with its folders onto ur ipod?
13:33:01JdGordonsharpe: if the buttons all are corect
13:33:08JdGordonand does ffwd/rewind in the wps work
13:33:13MikachuMcfloyd: indeed
13:33:23Mcfloydthx ppl
13:33:29Mcfloydi'm gonna try it
13:33:42xorAxAxstandard inglish suckz0rz
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13:34:02juxtapengorish is fun mmkay
13:34:19Mikachuwhere is .za?
13:34:22Mikachumaybe he did his best
13:34:33sharpeJdGordon: ah, are the scroll wheel left and right supposed to be reversed? :)
13:34:52juxtaphmm, weird
13:34:54juxtapthat's where i am from
13:34:58juxtapdidn't even notice the .za
13:35:09Mikachui guess he should know better english then
13:35:10juxtapi even once searched the channel logs for ".za" out of curiosity
13:35:13juxtapit's south africa
13:35:24Mikachuwas .sa taken already? :)
13:35:25JdGordonsharpe: ok, ill fix that.. the sim has them backwards
13:35:38Mikachuah, saudi arabia
13:35:45juxtapya, saudi arabia
13:35:57FebsRegardless of where someone is from, surely they can type "for" instead of "4" and "your" instead of "ur."
13:36:11JdGordony wud u say dat?
13:36:20JdGordon(that line was so hard to write :D )
13:36:27sharpeJdGordon: fast forward and rewind... almost work. on fast foward, it skips to the next song and starts fast forwarding. on rewind, it skips to the beginiing of the song and stays until you release the key.
13:36:42FebsEvery time I see that "ur" I voice it in my head as some sort of grunt. Like a caveman.
13:36:45Galoisabbreviations ftw
13:36:55juxtapmaybe he was ircing from his cellphone :p
13:37:07JdGordonsharpe: ok, thanks, that is soo wierd because the keys are exactly the same as h300 and it works perfectly :'(
13:37:27sharpeJdGordon: also i can't seem to exit from the wps, menu and select do not work apparently...
13:38:26safetydanDoes audio playback in the sim work for anyone?
13:38:48Mikachuworked last time i tried, which was a couple of months ago
13:39:00safetydansame for me, now it's pretty stuttery
13:39:23sharpeah. JdGordon, also, connecting the usb cable seems to freeze rockbox. :)
13:39:40JdGordonthat shouldnt happen
13:39:47pondlifesafetydan: H340 sim works here (under Cygwin)
13:39:49JdGordon.. obviously :p
13:39:53sharpein the wps it did, i'll try again.
13:40:00safetydanpondlife, audio plays fine with no stuttering?
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13:40:10sharpeweird. not anymore.
13:40:33*JdGordon assumes its not his code that did it :D
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13:40:53sharpeprobably not, but i've no idea what could've. :)
13:41:01pondlifeI have noticed that occasionally sound is slowed and broken up a bit in the sim, but closing and restarting it fixes.
13:41:18Mikachu(i'm on linux)
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13:41:20pondlifeAs if the SDL audio init code doesn't always work first time perhaps?
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13:41:47MikachuSimulator build selected
13:41:48MikachuBuild (S)DL version? (S)
13:41:50Mikachuwhat else?
13:41:51pondlifeMaybe depends on which other audio apps I'm running, or have recently run. Or maybe Windows hibernate related?
13:42:05JdGordonMikachu: the win32 and x11 options re hidden
13:42:16JdGordonprobably not available for new targets anyway
13:45:28Mikachuas i suspected my crazy haxxings prevent me from building the sim :)
13:46:17sharpehaxxing? that's a new one.
13:46:33Mikachuit is like hacking, but more xes
13:47:19sharpei see.
13:48:12tucozhmm, no rasher or bluebrother around
13:48:32sharpethere is sharpe. but he's not very useful to many.
13:48:45tucozhappy happy, joy joy :)
13:49:13tucozI am writing a macro for the references in the manual, but am not sure what the best wording is
13:49:55sharpewording for what?
13:50:09tucozAs it is now, you write 'see \rockref{the_reference}' and it will be written as see 7
13:50:17tucoz... 7.1.2 (page 39)
13:50:21tucozin the manaul
13:50:41JdGordonlinuxstb: i found the ffwd/rwd problem, should be fixed now
13:50:49Mikachugot it to build now, testing
13:50:50JdGordonyou too sharpe
13:50:58aliaskAny way to access LANG strings in a plugin?
13:51:02tucozsharpe, should it be 'see section 7.1.2 (page 39)
13:51:05Mikachu14.7% cpu
13:51:17Mikachusdl_audio_callback: No Data.
13:51:17Mikachusdl_audio_callback: No Data.
13:51:20sharpei have no idea, at all.
13:51:22Mikachuwhen i get that the audio stops for a sec
13:51:46tucozFebs, ah. You are here at least. What do you think?
13:52:01JdGordonaliask: that was supposed to come once langv2 came.. but its not done yet :(
13:53:22markunaliask: don't think it's possible
13:53:40aliaskBack to static strings for me then!
13:53:48safetydanMikachu, yeah that's the problem. Something's changed in the playback and the SDL kernel/queue/thread simulation is horking audio playback.
13:53:55safetydananyway, I'll have to sleep on it
13:53:57safetydannight all
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13:54:08JdGordonsharpe: can u try another build plz?
13:54:40Mikachu"you" :P
13:54:46*Mikachu hides
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13:56:33sharpeJdGordon: sure
13:56:54JdGordonsame link
13:57:07JdGordonall buttons should be correct now
13:58:51sharpeindeed, they seem to be. :)
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13:59:27JdGordon2/6 targets complete :)
13:59:35sharpethat's like, one third.
13:59:53JdGordonsharpe: can you just check the eq settings wscreen and the colour chooser screen plz
14:00:49sharpeaye, they work
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14:01:32JdGordonthanks alot
14:01:37sharpeyou're welcome
14:01:54JdGordonanyone with the recorder, ondio or x5 want to test also?
14:02:30JdGordonor player
14:04:56JdGordonbah, you all suck!
14:05:08JdGordoni guess ill start my ml assignment then
14:05:25Bg3rwe all suck :D
14:06:38sharpei have nothing to do for 14 hours!
14:06:58sharpethat's what i'm doing in 14 hours.
14:07:05*petur hands some work to sharpe
14:07:09Mikachuwatch a season of a series
14:07:23sharpei could...
14:07:55JdGordonwatch wonder showzen
14:08:04JdGordonfunniest show i have ever seen
14:08:14JdGordonmight need some beer and friends over to get the full effect tho
14:08:22sharpenever heard of it...?
14:08:34filRbeer? *trigger*
14:08:41JdGordongoogle it, you can watch parts of the eps on the www
14:08:51JdGordonfarking hilarious series mtv put out last year
14:09:11JdGordonfilR: what player do you have?
14:09:42filRJdGordon: ipod 30gb 5g.
14:09:44JdGordonits like R rated sesime street, but not actually r rated
14:09:51JdGordonok, you can go back to idling
14:09:56filRroger that.
14:10:00*filR ..idle
14:10:24Mikachusame keybinds for nano right?
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14:13:12JdGordonsharpe: umm, quick thing, did hitting left in the settings menus accept the change?
14:13:35sharpeany setting?
14:14:03JdGordonthat should be it then
14:15:15linuxstb_Isn't left/right used to select different sliders in the EQ and colour picker?
14:16:01linuxstb_So how can left also be used to accept a change?
14:16:13linuxstb_(or am I missing something...)
14:16:30sharpedifferent mappings?
14:18:03linuxstb_Of course - but my point is that they should be consistent.
14:18:04JdGordonlinuxstb_: thats the whole tihng about the contexts, its brilliant (if i may say so for myself :D )
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14:18:20JdGordonna, it works
14:18:42JdGordonlinuxstb_: arnt those 2 screens special cases?
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14:19:26linuxstb_But why have you chosen "left" to confirm a setting? What's wrong with SELECT?
14:20:08sharpehasn't left always worked?
14:20:14JdGordonblame linus, he liked haveing left be able to go back and accept, SELECT also is accept, on ipod to cancel you press menu
14:21:45linuxstb_sharpe: You're right - left has always worked :) But I just never thought about pressing it to confirm a setting change - I use SELECT.
14:22:15JdGordonlinuxstb_: when customizable keys comes in you can change ti if u want :D
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14:22:49tucozooops. I just committed in one commit what I should have committed in two...
14:22:55sharpecustomizable keys... for the menus and such?
14:22:57linuxstb_But I would still argue in favour of a consistent choice for "confirm" and "cancel" that works in as many screens as possible. That rules out left/right, but leaves SELECT, MENU and PLAY.
14:24:13JdGordonmenu is always cancel, select is always accept, left is either goto next setting or accept, you wont be able to get confused, because its obivous which is which
14:25:05JdGordonfor some reason the colour picker / eq screens were harder to make work in the iriver than on ipod!
14:25:11JdGordon.. side note
14:25:25tucozbluebrother, rasher: in case you read the logs. Maybe I was too quick on the trigger with my last commit. I was only going to commit the command, and not the changes to the text. However, I think the \rockref macro works as expected. Please let me know if you disagree.
14:25:27peturwell, left could be 'back out' which is cancel, not accept
14:27:03linuxstb_petur: I agree. But I think it would also be useful to try and eliminate cases where more than one key does the same thing.
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14:27:16peturimo, it's more logical if you explicitly need to press a key to accept rather than have it done for you automatically when using a navigation key
14:27:46peturprobably is confusding for new users
14:27:56peturconfusing too
14:28:05linuxstb_But it's hard on the ipod to be consistent - there just aren't enough buttons...
14:28:16peturpoor ipod users :p
14:29:00sharpeyeah, i'm torn inside by the dilemma...
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14:30:27JdGordonits really easy to make that user settable
14:30:50JdGordonwithout even having to stuff around with custom context mappings and stuff
14:30:57sharpei mentioned that idea and Paul didn't like it. :\
14:31:48peturuser mapable keys are a horror story support-wise
14:31:57JdGordonwell, we can make the option "left is cancel" or "left is accept" so its not really so hard to support
14:32:01sharpethat is true though.
14:32:19JdGordonespecially when there is a set accept and a set cancel button on every target
14:32:36peturright, make it even more confusing :/
14:33:18JdGordon? thats not more confusing
14:33:34JdGordonalso the option "left does nothing"
14:33:35peturwas talking about the "left is cancel" or "left is accept"
14:33:54JdGordonye, thats not really confusing.. the language would need fixing tho
14:34:21peturmaybe some small visual indication of what it did...
14:34:44JdGordonnot enough room on the smaller screen targets
14:35:02sharpewell, i'm off to do some things, i shall be back in a bit.
14:35:09JdGordonalthough the only screen it affects (the settings from the menus;'s) only uses 2 lines, so there is room, i guess...
14:35:14sharpelater everyone.
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14:35:35Mikachuyou can't add an option for every little thing
14:35:58JdGordonwhy not?
14:36:10linuxstb_I'm just saying it seems pointless for LEFT to be accept in 90% of places at the same time as SELECT is accept in 100% of places.
14:36:29peturwhat about an option that controls how options behave?
14:36:34linuxstb_^pointless and confusing
14:37:06Mikachuwhat about an option to have less options!
14:37:20JdGordonMikachu: use a config file, and then you need no options!
14:38:03Mikachuif you have too many options, it will be harder to edit the config file than the source
14:39:28JdGordonhow closely does the sim simulate the target? the x5 sim feels much slower than the other sims, and the drawing is very slow on the lcd also
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14:52:23JdGordonis the ondiosp sim broken?
14:52:49JdGordonwoops, did 6 not 7 in configure
14:53:28tucozforum spam
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14:57:46Febsalready gone. :)
15:00:50FebsHow does one create a new directory in cvs? I need to add the file manual/working_with_patches/main.tex. The directory working_with_patches does not yet exist.
15:02:18tucozcreate the directory and cvs add it
15:02:40linuxstb_But be careful - a cvs add takes effect immediately - there's no commit needed.
15:03:25midkaylinuxstb: no, you "add" then you have to "commit", right? i'm sure of it..
15:03:56FebsThen let me make sure I'm getting this right. I'm in my rockbox-all/manual directory. Do I just need to "cvs add working_with_patches"? Or do I need to include the full path?
15:04:01linuxstb_For files, yes. But not directories IIRC.
15:04:14tucozFebs, only the directory
15:04:24tucozso you are right
15:05:18linuxstb_Also, a directory in CVS can never be deleted - so be sure you want it :)
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15:05:58*linuxstb_ missed preglow :)
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15:06:50preglowwith no one else around with the braindead persistance to state what needs stating over and over again, small wonder you did!
15:07:31linuxstb_And there's been a sad lack of beer talk.
15:07:44*petur gets triggered
15:07:58preglowjust having been in england for a couple of weeks, i don't feel the need yet
15:08:05preglowi'll come around again
15:08:32tucozwhen the norwegian fall sets in, I am sure we will here plenty of beer talk :)
15:08:40preglowlooks like it have, here
15:08:53preglowfirst proper bout of rain i've seen for a month
15:09:15preglowwoot, it just stopped!
15:09:19*preglow runs to the shops
15:10:49*Febs looks at mmmm's iriver recording patch and wonders how long it will be before the first "OMFG Rockbox bricked my remote!" thread appears in the forums.
15:11:28*petur runs over to create one :)
15:12:28tucozFebs, line 23 in your commit looks wrong. \setting{Playlist submenu}\ref:{playlist_submenu}
15:12:49FebsI'll fix it.
15:13:05linuxstb_So how do the references look now?
15:13:17tucozsection 7.1.2 (page 39)
15:13:21tucozin the pdf
15:13:33tucozsection 7.1.2
15:13:38tucozin the html
15:13:41linuxstb_Are they hyperlinked in the PDF?
15:14:00tucozthe page numbering is mainly for printed manuals
15:14:21linuxstb_Sounds perfect.
15:15:12tucozthis is only when using the \rockref macro though
15:15:48linuxstb_So potentially, it's perfect, but that macro isn't used everywhere yet?
15:15:52tucozFebs, I also noticed a pageref in your commit ;)
15:16:09tucozlinuxstb, yes it is use in all places I could find
15:16:20tucozthat is, all places where I found a pageref
15:17:24FebsAh, yes, I wrote that yesterday and didn't catch up with your changes from today!
15:17:40tucozah, you're too slow ;)
15:18:31FebsSeriously. I need more coffee but it's so damn hot here I don't think I can take a hot beverage.
15:18:58FebsChanging that reference to: (see page \rockref{ref:playlistoptions}).
15:19:06tucozdrop page
15:19:22tucozwhere in the US are you?
15:19:37tucozI heard that it was extremely hot in California
15:20:29FebsI haven't been there in a few months, but I've been to Denver and St. Louis, and it's pretty much hot everywhere.
15:20:55FebsHere, the heat index today is going to be over 100 degrees F.
15:21:09FebsAnd tomorrow is going to be worse.
15:21:39*tucoz googles 100 F in celsius
15:21:53*petur guesses 37
15:22:18tucozgoogle says 37.38
15:22:46tucozWhat is it with me and typing today?
15:23:07Bg3rFebs, tucoz: there is an error in the bootloader part of the manual
15:23:09Lynx_i guess it's too hot to type
15:23:39Febstucoz: the formatting for defining labels is still the same? \label{ref:label_name}
15:24:05FebsBg3r: which platform?
15:24:12Bg3rthe iaudio_install
15:24:27tucozFebs, yes. exactly. The rockref macro uses the \ref and \pageref commands to format the reference
15:24:27Bg3ris copied directly from the iriver_install
15:24:37Bg3ri'm talking about getting_started/iaudio_install.tex
15:25:35tucozBg3r, you are right.
15:25:41tucozI'll fix
15:26:38tucozwhich means that I simply remove what is written for the iaudio
15:30:15Febstucoz: if you're going to be making any changes to getting_started/main.tex, there is a "\dap's" in line 119 that should probably be "\daps".
15:30:52tucozFebs, I only changed the iaudio_install.tex. But, I can fix that as well.
15:32:38Febstucoz: let me know if you're editing main.tex. I saw another thing I want to fix but I don't want to edit it at the same time you are.
15:33:14tucozFebs, I'll leave it to you then. Do you mind if I fix a typo in your working_with_playlists/main.tex?
15:33:26JdGordonlol @ the bookmark screen... on+play to delete bookmark? on h300 its the same button!
15:34:04tucozJdGordon, Is that in the manual?
15:34:15JdGordonno, on the actual display
15:34:32tucozeven more lol then :)
15:34:55*JdGordon 's new context chechking code works :D
15:35:03Febstucoz: Go for it. I decided to put that into cvs even in its fledgling state so that others could review, comment or edit it.
15:35:39JdGordonwhat button is delete bookmark on the ipods/
15:37:56linuxstb_I think I ran out of buttons on that screen.....
15:38:48linuxstb_bookmark.h: #define BOOKMARK_DELETE (BUTTON_RIGHT | BUTTON_REPEAT)
15:40:43*linuxstb_ thinks we'll need an abridged "quick-start" manual soon...
15:40:43JdGordonlinuxstb_: thats no good.. would select|play work? or long select / play?
15:40:54JdGordoneven long menu?
15:42:39tucozlinuxstb, I think we should add a quickstart chapter to the manual as a start. Just a few pages.
15:42:40linuxstb_I guess long menu would be OK.
15:43:04linuxstb_tucoz: I was half-joking - but the manual is getting scarily large now...
15:43:32tucozmaybe it is time to rename it to 'the rockbox bible'...
15:47:04Bagder"Learn Rockbox in 24 Hour^H^H^H^HMonths"
15:47:23*Bagder goes dvb'ing
15:50:40tucozas in digital video broadcasting?
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15:52:20FebsInstead of a Quick Start chapter, we could probably add a Quick Start section to the Getting Started chapter. There's already a subsection called "Running Rockbox."
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15:52:42FebsRight now the "Running Rockbox" subsection really contains nothing useful, but it could be expanded with an overview of how RB works.
15:53:03hannesd_Is there a binary build with all the latest patches for ihp1xx applied?
15:54:29tucozhannesd, check the forums or mistic river for experimental builds
15:54:36FebsThe official build is available at There are unofficial builds containing certain patches available in the rockbo forum or mistic river.
15:59:28*JdGordon wonders where Linus is...
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16:06:14JdGordonyay! infinite loop
16:07:43JdGordon12.10am is not an ideal time for such annoyances :p
16:09:03tucozanyone know how to use grep to find the expression \ref ?
16:09:25JdGordongrep -nr "\ref" <folder you want to look>
16:09:32JdGordonwill show file and line number
16:09:45JdGordonmight need to do it as \\ref
16:09:46dan_a_Don't you need to do "\\ref"?
16:10:06linuxstb_Try '\\ref'
16:10:10tucozthat will also find \rockref
16:10:34tucozlinuxstb, that was it. Thanks
16:10:44tucozand thanks to dan_a_ and JdGordon as well :)
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16:11:42tucozlinuxstb, what is the difference between " " and ' ' when using grep?
16:12:43linuxstb_I think the shell will expand things in "", but not in ''.
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16:18:59Slasheriyep, shell recognizes for example variable names "$variable" but not '$variable'
16:20:13Slasheribut "*" for example isn't expanded where * is
16:22:46tucozI see
16:23:36JdGordonmidkay: i just turned a yukky while loop into a nicer do {} while() loop!
16:23:50midkayJdGordon: :OOOOOOOOO how?!
16:24:38JdGordonwell, it removed 1 variable and 2 repeated == checks in the loop, so it was good
16:24:59midkaynicely done.
16:24:59JdGordonhaving while (1); at the bottom is scary tho :p
16:25:06Mikachuand obviously you can escape a ' much easier if you use " "
16:25:07midkaywe'll ahve to tell paul_the_nerd about this!
16:25:14JdGordonhehe yes
16:25:22Mikachuotherwise you have to write 'don'\''t'
16:26:40tucozI think I get it now :)
16:27:59Mikachui think \003 and such things expand in "" but not in '' too
16:28:29Mikachuand in zsh there is even $'' which is different from ''
16:29:24tucozzsh yes, I once tried to use it but gave up.
16:30:24tucozI didn't understand how to set it up properly, with highlighting etc
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16:44:06MbSI'm updating some of the wiki can I link to WinZip or WinRar or other programs?
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16:46:01linuxstb_Why not 7zip? i.e. free alternatives?
16:48:55MbSthe two I mentioned are the best known I suppose. I was just wondering if there's any copyright/whatever issues
16:49:07MbSbut 7zip it can be
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16:51:44linuxstb_MbS: If you link to the official websites for commercial applications, I can't see any copyright issue. But I just think it's nice to tell users there are free alternatives.
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17:13:37MbSCan any manual devs point me towards a description and guide to wps themes that's platform independant?
17:14:23tucozMbS, the manual should only include platform specific stuff
17:14:42tucozoh, I see
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17:14:50tucozwhat you mean.
17:16:29tucozMbS, this shows all the tags (I think).
17:17:04MbSi was looking for a place to link to from the Wps Uploding Guide to somewhere that explains the syntax and uses of theme files. Not wps files or full config files.
17:17:29MbSif there isn't one already I'll make it but no point if it exists already
17:17:52tucozis this what you are looking for?
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17:19:27MbSnope but you're getting closer...! I'm updating the giude at the bottom of
17:21:40tucozI am not sure there is a guide/description for theme files
17:22:03MbSGuess I'll get cracking on that then......
17:22:22preglowwon't the sdl yield fix make some stuff pretty sluggish?
17:22:38preglowhmm, perhaps not
17:22:41tucozMbS, there is a description in the WPSLIST file in the wps/ folder
17:23:33tucozbut that is for build-inclusion. Not for the actual theme files I think
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17:25:24dongsis there any way to kill the VU meters in default wps without changing anything else?
17:25:34dongswith that shit on, my ipod skips when playing @ 120% speed
17:26:13preglowyou pretty much need to make a wps without it, afaik
17:26:32dongswhose idea was it to include that shit in by default
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17:26:38dongsi know few months ago it wasnt default
17:26:57dongseh no what
17:27:01preglowit's always been in the default wps the time i've been with rockbox
17:27:11dongsi know in june or so default one didnt have vu meters
17:27:26Bagderbeen there for several years afaik
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17:27:35Genre9mp3dongs: Open the wps file and remove the "%pm" tag
17:27:43preglowcan't remember the default wps ever not having it
17:27:46Genre9mp3and it's peak meters, not vu meters
17:28:10dongsshrug whatever it is, it rapes cpu
17:28:14midkayGenre9mp3: there's no file to open.. rockbox includes just a blank file for rockbox_default.wps, no code.. no code is interpreted to mean "load default" which is hardcoded.
17:28:30Mcfloydi just loaded my nano and im having some trouble navigating <−−−−- newbie
17:28:31preglowdefault wps is in a .c file, afaik
17:28:38dongsMcfloyd: whats the problem
17:28:40midkayyes, like gwps.c
17:28:44Genre9mp3midkay: Oh...yes, I forgot that! :/
17:28:55Mcfloydwell how do i get into the menu where u browse the folders?
17:29:05Mcfloydall i c is album songs ext...
17:29:11midkayyep. might be good to include the code, it would still work the same but you could modify it and see how certain things were achieved if you wanted.
17:29:21dongsMcfloyd: that should be the default mode, no?
17:29:25dongsMcfloyd: did you copy some mp3s to
17:29:28dongsthe root drive?
17:29:45Mcfloydi dont know if its the root dont think so
17:30:03Mcfloydi have albums genres composers that kind of options
17:30:15Mcfloydso how do i get 2 da root?
17:30:22dongskeep pressing back i guess
17:30:25dongsbut when it first loads
17:30:28dongsyou should see the / dir
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17:30:37Mcfloyddoesnt work
17:30:39dongswhat exactly DO you see
17:30:43dongsdo a reset
17:30:48dongshold center~menu for liek 6 seconds
17:30:57dongsand then tell me what you see after that
17:31:20Mcfloydkay it resetting
17:31:27Mcfloydstill c da same thing
17:31:55ismoHi all. I'm considering Ipod Nano to accompany my H140. The ipodstatus page has a mention on occasional skipping of audio. How common that is with "normal" oggs (q6)? Does skipping happen at all while only playing the audio and not doing something else at the same time?
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17:33:03dongsMcfloyd: okay define "still same thing"
17:33:15dongsMcfloyd: are you actually seeing rockbox
17:33:17dongsor the apple firmware
17:33:29dongsdoes it show some yellowpoop looking rockbox logo during reset?
17:33:32Mcfloydyeah i was in da root earlier
17:33:32dongsand a bunch of text?
17:33:42dongsoh i wonder if you enabled some gay shit
17:33:56Mcfloydi c a list albums genres composers played tracks that kind of stuff
17:34:01dongsok do this: hold reset again, and right after, push the hold button
17:34:12dongsuntil it says :settings cleard:
17:34:13Mcfloydthe hold button?
17:34:17dongsthe one on top
17:34:22dongsabove screen
17:34:39dongspush as in slide it
17:34:41dongsso that its on
17:34:46dongsdo that after it starts resetting
17:34:51dongsbut before shit appears on screen.
17:34:56dongsthat should get you back to default settings
17:34:59dongswith file browser showing.
17:35:04dongsif tha doesnt work, i give up
17:35:11midkaycan't you just shrink those like 15 lines down to "reset your ipod and while it's booting turn on the hold switch"... :)
17:35:38midkayor you could switch directly to All file view instead of ID3 Database which sounds like the problem..
17:36:03Mcfloydok it worked
17:36:15Mcfloydnow i c calenders contacts that....
17:36:22Mcfloydso im guessing thats da root?>
17:36:30midkaythat is the root, yes.
17:36:33Mcfloydso where were i before?
17:36:40dongs"id3 database" i geuss.
17:36:42midkayID3 database.
17:36:43*dongs never used it
17:37:23midkaygoing to bed, night
17:37:29Mcfloydbut that was where all my songs was?
17:37:50midkayyou said you wanted the file browser.
17:37:57midkayi assumed that meant your music was there..?
17:38:40Mcfloydwel neva mind im in da file browser now...
17:38:47Mcfloydwhat is the tag cache thing?
17:38:53Mcfloydisnt that where i was?
17:39:44dongsthat stuff is only useful if your shit is acutally tagged
17:39:44Mcfloydokay so how do i get into and out of that?
17:39:55Mcfloydwell my shit is tagged
17:40:00dongsand/or if you want to still access to ipod music fiels
17:40:07Mcfloydi just came from using itunes dewd all my shit is tagged
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17:40:09dongsthe ones in the hidden mac dir
17:40:15Mcfloydthats it
17:40:22Mcfloydso how do i go about doin that?
17:41:07dongsthats the tagcache
17:41:10dongsdont ask me how to get in there
17:41:12dongsi never used it
17:41:26Mcfloydok but tx for the help
17:41:55dongstry searchhing for tagcache in the wiki
17:41:55midkaycheck the manual and wiki.
17:41:59dongsyea what he said.
17:42:16MbShold down the "menu" button and press "down" until it says ID3 Database then press menu again
17:42:20midkaygenerally it's good to come here if you need some help that you can't find elsewhere, but there's a manual with all these little things you ought to check first. :)
17:42:24Mcfloydi've been reading the manual doesnt say how 2 get in and out tho
17:43:18Mcfloydaha MbS ur da shit!!!
17:43:20Mcfloydhehe kewl
17:43:45Mcfloydoi now i can c even da hidden files...
17:45:35dongsi jsut want to play stuff at 120% wihtout skip
17:45:44dongsso theres no way to disable peakmeters in default wps?
17:45:46peturSlasheri: re your recent sim commits to get smooth playback:
17:45:59Mikachudongs: you could make a copy without them
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17:46:08dongsMikachu: they just said the default wps is in a .c file
17:46:10Mikachubut i think the default is compiled tn
17:46:19Mikachupresumably it is still only text
17:46:21dongsso that doesnt really halp
17:46:51dan_a_dongs: Just look through the ones that are available and pick one you like!
17:47:34Mikachudongs: here,
17:47:42Slasheripetur: hmm, interesting
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17:47:54Slasheripetur: i will try if that works better
17:48:00Mcfloydtx ppl
17:48:13peturSlasheri: no, I wanted to say we had the same idea
17:48:15Mikachudongs: apps/gui/gpws-common.c:2456 btw
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17:48:30Slasheripetur: hehe, but it looks like your idea might work better
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17:48:37dongsMikachu: soi have to rebuild this shit to turn it off?
17:48:52Mikachudongs: no... just copy that text, remove the \n and put it in a file and call it dongs.wps
17:48:54Slasheribecause i just noticed the old patch i committed was not perfect.. it still causes occassional skipping (but not too often)
17:48:59Mikachuand remove the last line with %pm obviously
17:49:13dongswow thats al ot of wokr
17:49:16peturSlasheri: it was pre-SDL, haven't looked back to it
17:49:17dongsi will do that
17:49:27Mikachuyes must be the better part of half a minute
17:49:44Mikachubut feel free to rant about it for a while longer if you want
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17:51:10dongsok i shall do just that
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17:51:21dongsis it possible to: have a config option for disabling peakmeters?
17:51:33dongsor: have an option to make it rape less cpu
17:51:40dongsi.e peakmeter refresh rate
17:51:51dongswith default to something sane
17:51:53dongslike 1 second
17:52:16dongswhat do you think
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17:54:09Mikachui think the default wps shouldn't have peak meters
17:54:19dongsi agree
17:54:24dongsthey:re fucking uselss
17:55:21dongsnot to mention they ruin my 120% speed playback
17:55:28dongsskip every 10sec or so
17:55:29*linuxstb_ likes the peakmeters on his ipod, but uses FLAC.
17:55:39dongsew, FLAC
17:56:03*Mikachu remembers quote from vcpr "that's just the way i am, opinionated and moronic"
17:56:31linuxstb_But yes, I agree Rockbox needs a better default WPS, on most targets.
17:56:56MbSCould the default be platform specific?
17:57:02peturicatcher has no peakmeters ;)
17:57:11dongsicatcher uses this fat fucking font
17:57:19dongsplus it just looks gay
17:57:21dongsdefault wps is fine
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17:57:24MbSshow off each player's wps/screen at it's best
17:57:27linuxstb_dongs: That's why the WPS can be modified by the user....
17:57:47dongsdefault wps is great, because it doesnt depend on font size
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17:58:11dongsor if it does, it doesnt look like total ass when different font is used
17:58:40linuxstb_It looks like a total ass in the default font on a 5g's screen. Hiding up at the top of the screen...
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18:01:14dionoea_workthe blackglass (no cover art) would be a nice default for color lcds. Unfortunately the design concept must be copyrighted by MS
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18:01:31EbErThey, anyone know anything about car stereo's? my stereo doesn't have a sub input, but it has an l/r front and back. If the sub has a low pass filter, could i just put it in one of those and it will filter out the high frequencies?
18:02:09dongsurl plz
18:02:31EbErTi wanna keep this stereo cuz it has an aux in in the front for my rockboxed ipod :)
18:02:52rconanEbErT: does the sub have an amp integrated?
18:03:15EbErTall-in-one kinda thing
18:03:22dongsthats hideous
18:03:27rconanthen you probably want a low level output from the stereo rather than the power output that the l/r front and back will be
18:03:36rconanunless the amp has a high power input
18:03:59EbErTeven tho it has low pass filter? I don't know exactly what those filters do, or how well
18:04:02dionoea_workdongs: IMO the no album art version looks great
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18:04:15rconanthe low pass filter removes high frequencies
18:04:15EbErTits 100 watts (didn't want biiiig bass)
18:04:42EbErTbut wont work in l/r front or back
18:04:54rconanthe ouput from your stereo is a speaker level signal not line level
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18:05:04EbErTok, well this stereo doesn't have sub output. o well
18:05:05rconanyou need a sub out or an aux out
18:05:36EbErTah, ok thx!
18:06:38rconanyou need one of them
18:07:15rconanas far as i can tell from your description any way
18:07:22dongsdoes your car stereo have built in amp?
18:07:30dongsfor l/r/front/wahtever/
18:07:54rconani should think so
18:07:55rconanmost do
18:08:08EbErTyes, it does
18:08:36EbErTwhat kinda plugs are those red/white ones on the ebay pic?
18:08:49rconanphono sockets by the look of it
18:09:18dongsif it doesnt have line level out you probably odnt want to hookup anything other htan speakers to those connectors
18:09:39dongsi didnt look at that scambay url but i cant really imagine it being what you want
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18:10:01rconanits designed to convert a power signal to a 0 VU line level signal
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18:10:17rconanthe same way an amp with a high level input does
18:10:18dongsso effectively wasting the amp in the stereo?
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18:10:39rconanbut still achieving the desired solution without replacing the stereo
18:11:26rconanif you dont like ebaying it theres one new here
18:11:44EbErTso the only amped output from a stereo is through those l/r front-back rca plugs?
18:12:13EbErTi thought it also sent amped signals from the wire harness
18:12:23rconanit probably does
18:12:36EbErTso its just 2 different ways to plug it
18:12:59rconanyoud have to investigate the impedance and things before connecting things to both outputs
18:14:10FebsI am about to add a section to the installation part of the manual regarding downloading the fonts package. Which (if any) platforms do NOT have the ability to change fonts?
18:14:26EbErTsays 4-8 ohms, whatever that is
18:14:37rconanwhat's the stereo?
18:15:01EbErTaiwa 45w x 5
18:15:53rconanand how many/what speakers have you already got attached
18:16:03rconani assume your in the US
18:16:48EbErT4 speakers, dunno what kind
18:17:13EbErTstock, gunna upgrade them sometime, but want the bass in first
18:17:23EbErTand yes, us
18:18:14rconanif the speakers say 8ohm impedance then you should be able to attach the line convertor and amp to the other output
18:18:54EbErTwell, i'll try and see when i can :)
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18:28:37tucozFebs, I would guess the player (only)
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18:48:22Febstucoz: as soon as I can confirm that, I'll \nopt{} the note that I just added to the installation instructions about downloading the fonts pack.
18:49:15tucozOk. I am quite confident that the player can not load fonts as it doesn't have a bitmap display
18:50:14tucozI am compiling the player sim now, just to check
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18:52:08tucozFebs, the player can not load fonts
18:53:34RedBrevaHi folks, anyone with experience of PHP about to help with a problem I have? Specificaly using 'copy' to upload a user selected file into a dir on the web server... I can create a file and write to it from within the script, but the copy command fails :-(
18:54:34dionoea_workdoes apache (or whatever is runing php for you) have write access to the dir ?
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18:55:52RedBrevaI have given the destination folder permisions 777, which should just about allow anone to do anything I believe, and the the same script can creat files, and write to existing files
18:56:33dionoea_workdid you try that ?
18:56:43dionoea_workhum, just change fr3 to www
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18:58:39RedBrevaI am using a 'copy ( $source, $dest ) or die( "could not copy file"); command and get the 'die' message
18:59:01dionoea_workcopy isn't standard when handling uploaded files
18:59:10dionoea_workyou should use this dedicated function
18:59:33dionoea_workusing copy must be restricted by php's safe mode
18:59:57dionoea_work this has a nice explanation
19:01:47RedBrevaBy george, I think that works merci, mon ami
19:01:56dionoea_workyou're welcome :)
19:02:17dionoea_workare you doing the themes site ?
19:02:33dionoea_worknice :)
19:02:42dionoea_workmake sure that you don't allow uploading .php files
19:02:43RedBrevaI am attempting to enable uploads to a 'safe' directory at present
19:03:10dionoea_workmany webservers were hacked due to .php files being uploaded and executed afterwards
19:03:43RedBrevaI am trying to restrict to 1 png, 1 zip and 1 txt file, and now I knwo it's working, I will play with the chmod numbers and remove execute...
19:04:00RedBrevaThanks for the warning ;-)
19:04:04dionoea_workapache doesn't need execute to run .php files i think
19:04:18rconanit depends how the server is set up
19:04:23rconansoem do
19:04:37dionoea_workyou should just tweak your apache configuration to disable php execution (or any other execution) in the upload directory
19:05:35RedBrevaAh, OK... At least there is no obvious path to the uploaded file, once it has been moved...?
19:06:08dionoea_workwell it's usually pretty easy to figure it out if you then display the files (images/wps/...) on a webpage
19:06:32dionoea_workunless you have some moderation in between and the file gets uploaded to a folder which isn't available through your webserver
19:06:41RedBrevaThey are going into a 'Holding Pen" 1st
19:07:02RedBrevaer, yes, thats exactly it :D
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19:07:09linuxstbYes, don't trust anything a user uploads, not even the filename...
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19:10:56RedBrevaHmm, With one file I can refer to $_FILES[name][property], how easy is it to send three seperate files in one submit?
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19:30:46pondlifeSlasheri: around?
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20:00:13pondlifeLinusN: around?
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20:05:58pondlifeLinusN: I've not been able to get any feedback on patch 5690 from Archos users. Mainly because Paul_The_Nerd lives in a different time-zone to me I guess.
20:06:47LinusNok, my only concern is wasted memory
20:06:55pondlifeI've done some unrelated work on talk.c to shut up voice clips more quickly when starting playback, but would like to see 5690 committed first if you think it'll happen soon anyway..
20:07:08pondlifeYou were working on a better buffer_alloc?
20:07:51LinusNyes, but i put that on ice
20:08:00pondlifeAh, just thinking.
20:08:28pondlifeWell if I can do anything to help speed up that commit, please let me know.
20:09:00pondlifeI don't want to sound like a broken record (either to you, or to Archos owners who might be able to test).. ;-)
20:10:09LinusNpondlife: to test this, i would need both a voice file and some .talk clips, right?
20:10:21pondlifeNot necessarily
20:10:32pondlifeJust .talk clips will allocate the buffer.
20:10:59pondlifeVoice (i.e. with a voice file) and thumbnails (.talk clips) are independent
20:11:06*LinusN charges his fm recorder
20:11:09pondlifeOr at least they are after the patch
20:11:44pondlifeNot a biggie, but I'd like to do one thing at a time, especially as I'm still learning.
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20:15:53pondlifeTime for tea now (well, before an Archos charge cycle completes), but I'll keep an eye on Flyspray if you have further comments.
20:16:21MikachuLinusN: wasn't the fat label bug fixed?
20:16:36Mikachuor is this another one/
20:16:44Mikachui don't keep track of dates during the summer
20:18:01pondlifeAnd... - I thnk this (or a varient of it) got committed earlier
20:18:22MikachuLast edited by Linus Nielsen Feltzing (linusnielsen) - Monday, 31 July 2006
20:19:27LinusNMikachu: i believe that was fixed, yes
20:19:41linuxstbI've started work on an to-do list for tasks needing to be done for the ipod ports - if anyone can think of others, please add them:
20:20:01*dan_a looks
20:20:16Mikachulinuxstb: flyspray doesn't support depending bugs?
20:20:40Mikachu(in bugzilla i like to create metabugs that block on other bugs)
20:21:42linuxstbMikachu: I wouldn't call them bugs - just things which aren't implemented yet.
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20:22:07Mikachuah okay, i thought you meant flyspray tasks
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20:24:44Mikachupegbox looks pretty nice
20:25:10linuxstbAnother plugin with "rock" or "box" in the name?
20:25:25Mikachuunfortunately :)
20:25:28*linuxstb is only guilty of one.
20:27:10dan_aIs there any reason why calling a system reset from the coprocessor on an iPod wouldn't work, but from the main CPU it would?
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20:29:15linuxstbdan_a: No idea.
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20:31:11dan_aThis is probably the only time I've got this annoyed that some software won't crash!
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20:31:36*linuxstb is listening to glitch-free music in the sim.
20:31:43linuxstbFinally, a gapless audio player in Linux :)
20:32:18Mikachuneeds work on the ui
20:32:59lexrockbox freezed again :G
20:33:01linuxstbMaybe 99.8% CPU usage is a little high though...
20:33:18lexlinuxstb: what a sim? :o
20:33:18dan_alinuxstb: Are there any plans to have native USB disk mode support for iPod Rockbox? Or is there just too much we don't know about the hardware?
20:33:38linuxstbdan_a: We know nothing about the USB hardware.
20:33:58linuxstbdan_a: I'll add it to the to-do list...
20:33:59lexwhat's the hardest part in it to code it?
20:34:07lexlinuxstb: thanks :>
20:34:16lexlinuxstb: only sleep and disk mode keeps my away from using only rockbox
20:35:10lexyou know, booting, booting and booting takes so much battery on a hd-player
20:35:19lexnow i need to go to the corner-shop ->
20:35:43dan_alinuxstb: I wasn't sure if it was a todo or a nodo
20:36:19linuxstbI would say "nodo" is reserved for the impossible. Most things are just very hard.
20:36:41LinusN"nodo" can also be "we don't want to"
20:37:26linuxstbVery true.
20:38:16*LinusN is struggling with the action-code
20:39:03LinusNit's unfortunate that jdgordon has changed many of the button mappings in his patch
20:39:42LinusNthe most annoying for me is that you can't leave a setting with Left, because that suddenly means "cancel"
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20:42:08linuxstbThat was discussed a few hours ago - using LEFT to confirm didn't seem intuitive...
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20:43:12LinusNwhat is intuitive then?
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20:44:43LinusNi guess i can learn to live with that
20:44:49Bgerlinuxstb: have in mind that when u inc/dec most options they are set at the same time
20:45:14LinusNyes, but you should be able to cancel them anyway
20:45:18linuxstbYes, but only as a preview. If you cancel, they revert back.
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20:46:37LinusNheh, this action patch will cause an outrage
20:46:43Bgeryep, but imho it's more intuitive to change something and go a level up (saving the changes) with the left button
20:47:05LinusNwell, it's at least what i'm used to
20:47:12Bgerme too
20:47:26LinusNi don't know if i have found it intuitive if it hadn't been for rockbox
20:47:44LinusNintuition is experience
20:48:01Febsand consistency.
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20:48:19Bgeryeah u're right
20:48:26LinusNotoh, i want the settings ui to be different
20:48:31linuxstbI've got two logical arguments as well 1) SELECT is also used to confirm - so why two buttons doing the same thing?; 2) In some settings screens, LEFT/RIGHT are needed for other things (e.g. eq, colour picker)
20:48:32markunGigabeat news!
20:48:54LinusNmarkun: yay!
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20:48:57markuncredits go to wibbix and linuxstb
20:49:03Bgermarkun: !!!!
20:49:07LinusNdamn cool
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20:49:39markunhe is going to test the ata code next. Now at least we have a way of debugging
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20:50:18Bgerbut why u didn't tell anything till now regarding the progress ?:)
20:50:23linuxstbmarkun: So does the LCD need an lcd_update(), or is it automatic?
20:50:51dan_aWell done, Gigabeat people!
20:51:06FebsNow someone can respond to the guy who asked about Gigabeat progress in the "Iriver - Strange Behavior" thread on the user list. :)
20:51:37markunlinuxstb: automatic
20:51:46linuxstbSounds like the Sansa could be the same.
20:52:01LinusNis it a good idea to try to map Play to go to WPS at all times?
20:52:39LinusNyeah, i just wondered
20:52:41markunLinusN: it is updated at 25fps. I hope we can save some battery by changing it to manual update
20:52:54markunthat was for linuxstb
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20:53:53linuxstbmarkun: Is the framebuffer part of the normal SDRAM?
20:54:32Bgermarkun: what model is this exactly?
20:54:36FebsLinusN: A resounding "yes" from me.
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20:54:49LinusNFebs: i can live with that
20:55:36FebsIs it safe to assume that jd's button system will render patch 5294 obsolete?
20:56:03markunLinusN: yes, normal RAM
20:56:06peturLinusN: er... except in plugins I assume?
20:56:21markunBger: I think it's a Gigabeat F40, but I'm not sure
20:56:22LinusNpetur: yes
20:56:43BgerLinusN: what about the recording/radio screens ?
20:56:56peturthose too :)
20:57:00LinusNFebs: not obsolete
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20:57:15peturI mean, not going to wps...
20:57:35Bgeri'm with petur here
20:57:42linuxstbI would prefer to see the quick-exit menu patch first, and then think about the PLAY->WPS shortcut afterwards.
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20:57:49LinusNBg3r: i'm thinking about treating recording, radio and wps as the same screen, but in different states
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20:58:23FebsThat makes sense.
20:59:19LinusNi'm not sure if that idea holds water, but i'm considering it
20:59:42markunBger: are you thinking of buying one?
20:59:54Bgerjust asking :)
21:01:07tucozmarkun: cool :)
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21:01:30linuxstbmarkun: A local electronics shop has a Gigabeat (F40 I think), but it's just physically too big compared to my 5g....
21:01:46markunX60 is smaller
21:02:04tucozwhich reminds me, we should have a "great days in the history of rockbox" page in the wiki. Perfect for first-boot shots like that.
21:02:14Mikachui think the video is pretty large, but then i have a nano :)
21:03:43EbErTi have the ipod-brick
21:03:56EbErT4g 60 gig
21:04:02Mikachuhow did you do that?
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21:04:08Mikachuhw failed?
21:04:10linuxstbAnyone know if Toshiba are actually shipping their 80GB 1.8" disks yet?
21:04:41muesli__linuxstb that would be neat...anything out about the prices?
21:05:10dan_aCan I ask a really stupid question? After the bootloader has run (on an iPod), where abouts in crt0.S will things start running from?
21:05:15linuxstbmuesli__: I've no idea - that's why I'm asking. All I know is that they announced them months ago.
21:05:28linuxstbdan_a: The first line :)
21:05:37dan_aThat's what I thought
21:05:48dan_aEven for the COP?
21:05:57Mikachuthe cop isn't used afaik
21:06:01linuxstbNo, the bootloader has already put the COP to sleep.
21:06:05muesli__linuxstb 1 or 2 discs?
21:06:17linuxstbmuesli__: Dual platter.
21:06:17dan_aWhen I wake it up
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21:06:29Mikachumaybe you have to set its exec pointer somewhere first
21:06:40preglowlinuxstb: did you try to invalidate the cache in anyway, btw? speaking of ipod rolo
21:06:49muesli__linuxstb damn dream didnt come true...
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21:07:43Slasherihmm, what do you think if the playback buffer would look like this:
21:07:51linuxstbdan_a: When you wake it up, it runs the line "ldr pc, =cop_wake_start". But I think you'll have a problem - the bootloader runs with SDRAM mapped to 0x10000000, but Rockbox remaps it to 0x00000000.
21:08:29linuxstbpreglow: I tried my best.... How would you invalidate it?
21:10:38tucozmuesli__, linuxstb, not sure if they actually have it in stock. $399 though.
21:10:44linuxstbpreglow: There's some code in CVS, which is obviously not doing it right. I've experimented with various other things, none of them successfully. But I would be happy if you wanted to experiment yourself - just try rolo'ing a week-old Rockbox build.
21:10:56muesli__399bucks...thats toooo much
21:11:39dan_aSo to use the COP, I'd need to find out what address cop_wake_start was, and have some code there to look after the COP, and wake the COP before memory gets remapped.
21:11:41dan_aIs that right?
21:12:00linuxstbtucoz: Thanks - that page claims they have them in stock... But $399 is a little much for a H180.
21:12:42tucoznot what you would call a bargain
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21:14:24LinusNSlasheri: what would be the point?
21:14:27linuxstbdan_a: I'm not sure how it would work. When you put the COP to sleep, PC will contain an address in the 0x10000000 range, but when you wake it up, the memory has moved to 0x00000000.
21:15:45Mikachucan't you just put the cop function somewhere you know where it is? or can't you control where it wakes up?
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21:16:17SlasheriLinusN: some sort of dynamic memory allocation to whole rockbox in fixed size chunks
21:16:30LinusNwhat problem would that solve?
21:16:40Slasheridepending on chunk size, performance penalty would be something like 2-4%
21:16:56Slasherifor example no need to boot after enabling dircache
21:17:01dan_aMikachu: The cop function (if I understand right) is set in the bootloader, not by the main Rockbox code
21:17:14Mikachudan_a: but can't you set it again afterwards?
21:17:33linuxstbdan_a: Have you looked at the IPL startup code, and also at their video player (which uses the COP I think).
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21:17:40LinusNSlasheri: wouldn't that just give us another set of problems, like leaks and performance issues?
21:18:08*LinusN is allergic to dynamic memory in embedded systems
21:18:26dan_alinuxstb: I've looked at the startup code, and can't see what I'm doing differently
21:18:46Slasherihmm, possible.. but nobody can know that for sure :)
21:19:06Slasheriof course that would depend how wide that system is used
21:19:31dan_aMikachu: I don't think you can. The COP is asleep, and when it wakes its next instruction jumps it to whatever address cop_wake_start is in the bootloader
21:19:32Slasheriit would be most well suited for big memory allocations
21:20:37dan_aMikachu: (but I might not have understood correctly)
21:21:04Mikachuyou can't change the instruction pointer of the cop from the main cpu? is what i meant to ask
21:22:16dan_aMikachu: They have separate registers, including separate Program Counters :(
21:23:07Mikachuyou can't just add 0x1000000 or whatever to the address when you put it to sleep in the bootloader?
21:23:13Mikachu(i am apparently just guessing here :)
21:24:54dan_aMikachu: It looks like I'm going to have to. I'm surprised, though, because I'm using IPL's bootloader at the moment
21:24:59dan_aAnd they do use the COP
21:25:54Mikachumaybe because they don't remap the memory?
21:26:09Mikachui don't know whether they do
21:28:11dan_aI think that they do... in their code (head-arm-ipod.S) there's a bit that's very similar to the Rockbox part for memory remapping
21:28:32Mikachumaybe they do it after regaining control of the cop?
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21:34:07dan_aAh! startup_loc is defined as 0x0
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21:42:36linuxstbdan_a: Looking at crt0.S, it looks like the Rockbox bootloader wakes up the COP again before starting the Apple firmware, but it doesn't when starting Rockbox. I'm thinking that maybe it should.
21:43:50dan_alinuxstb: Thanks - I'll do some hacking!
21:43:53linuxstb(and I should also do that in RoLo...)
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21:45:54McfloydHey there, I just loaded RockBox on my 4G 20gig iPod
21:46:36stripwaxMcfloyd - congrats!
21:46:42Mcfloydjust want to ask where i can get "nedore-8.fnt" that font
21:46:58peturdid you install the font pack?
21:47:04stripwaxdownload the fonts package from the rockbox downloads page
21:47:21Mcfloydi prob need to dl that
21:47:29linuxstbIt's on the "daily builds" page.
21:47:32Mcfloydthanx will see if i can find that
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21:47:43Mcfloydthanks dude
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21:53:30amiconnLinusN: There are indeed some places where the remote support on X5 runs into problems.
21:53:48LinusNamiconn: huh?
21:54:06amiconnGenre9mp3 pointed me towards one: check apps/gui/splash.c lines 137f ...
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21:54:44LinusNamiconn: ouch
21:54:59Mcfloydsorry i feel dumb - but i do not see the font pack under daily builds
21:55:13Mcfloydcan you give me the link ??
21:55:17Mikachuit is the last one
21:55:24Mikachunext to iaudio x5
21:55:27LinusNMcfloyd: the last entry, called "Fonts"
21:55:53LinusNwith the rockbox logo
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21:56:08amiconnIirc we discussed possible solutions (non-issue back then) with TiMiD
21:56:19amiconn...months ago
21:56:50LinusNand now it suddenly is an issue... :-(
21:57:54amiconnIn addition to the individual lcd capabilities (b&w / grey / colour), we need to define a platform capability which is the highest of all lcd capabilities of that platform
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21:58:39amiconnThe we need functions to convert from this highest capability to the various lcd capabilities
21:59:31LinusNsounds complicated
21:59:35amiconn...i.e. for X5 we need functions to convert from generic rgb to rgb565, and 2bit grey
21:59:58amiconnThese functions would be part of the respective lcd driver, and used by the gui code
22:00:18amiconnThis is only necessary if more that one LCD is capable of more than just b&w
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22:01:11amiconnMaybe someone finds a better solution...
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22:01:42LinusNamiconn: do you have the possibility to try on an archos device?
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22:05:06amiconnHmm. I don't like wasting a static buffer for talk clips on archos
22:05:17amiconnArchos can't talk anyway when playing music
22:05:49RedBrevaOK, thanks to the help from dionoea a little earlier today, I have a working submissions page. Not ready to go live yet, but OK for basic testing, comments etc on look/feel/wording etc.
22:06:47RedBrevaAnd yes the 'landing page' is very minimal, it's part ofthe todo, once I have decided what it should actually do ;D
22:07:40linuxstbRedBreva: Why don't you have a form, instead of the TXT file upload?
22:08:07RedBrevaversion 2 ;-)
22:08:45Mcfloydsorry for the trouble
22:08:47Mcfloydgot it
22:08:51MikachuRedBreva: isn't ipod 4g and h1x0 the same res?
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22:09:41linuxstbMikachu: Yes, they are - and the ipod 3g.
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22:10:05Mikachuthey are separate in his listbox
22:10:18RedBrevayes, not sure if I should list ALL devices, or just the resolutions... thought res only may confuse some, so compromised a bit, and futur proofed it for possiblu splitting the WPS's on sucj pairings
22:10:39RedBrevaand my typing is awfull this evening !!
22:11:55linuxstbRedBreva: But it's looking good. Next stage is an online WPS designer?
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22:12:33RedBrevahmmmm, perhaps not... I don't think my coding is up to it
22:14:37dionoeajust some javascipt :)
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22:15:19^jhMikeS^Was RaeNye here?
22:15:44LinusN^jhMikeS^: no
22:15:59dionoeaRedBreva: i'd add spaces between the textboxes and browse buttons
22:16:26^jhMikeS^Hmmm...he's pushing to add something and I've gotta scramble to update some code for him
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22:17:00bluebrotheris this still vaild? irivers have something like this, how about archos devices?
22:17:11^jhMikeS^LinusN: Is that working?
22:17:32RedBrevadionoea: the browse button is part of the input field
22:17:52dionoeahum ... right :)
22:18:17LinusNtools/scramble works
22:18:49bluebrotherHi RedBreva.
22:18:53amiconnbluebrother: No longer valid.
22:19:18amiconnAll devices which measure charging state display it in a similar way now
22:19:21bluebrotheramiconn, thanks, closed.
22:21:00amiconnIt goes actual% ((->33%) -> 66%) -> 100%, depending in which interval the actual% is located
22:21:37amiconnOn greyscale and colour targets, the actual% stay visible all the time (black), and the animation is grey
22:21:44Mikachuso it never goes below actual%?
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22:22:17amiconnMikachu: Exactly
22:23:01Mikachuah, now i know why i haven't seen it, i have volume and battery set to numeric :)
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22:24:15sharpehello everyone...
22:24:51tucozbluebrother, what do you think about the rockref macro?
22:25:26bluebrothertucoz, nice. I guess I would have done it similarly, but I guess I'd have named it different ;-)
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22:26:01tucozbluebrother, yeah. the naming could have been different yes
22:26:45tucozI couldn't come up with anything better. But, it is possible to change it if you want
22:27:43bluebrotherI have no problem with that name. I just would have picked something different ;-)
22:28:01tucozah, much better
22:28:38tucozbut I think we should stick with \ref for references to the appendix
22:29:07bluebrothermore like \reference
22:29:21FebsSpeaking of the appendices, do we really need an appendix for screen size of various platforms?
22:29:52FebsSeems that that made more sense when there was a single manual for all supported platforms.
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22:30:02bluebrotherI'd say no. Seems a bit to technical to me, so leave it for a technical edition of the manual or the wiki.
22:30:29tucozI agree. In that case we would have to include all the wps-tags for all the platforms as well
22:30:52tucozeven those that are unsupported for a specific target
22:30:56bluebrothersomething different: how about splitting the first chapter?
22:31:08tucozInto what?
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22:31:57bluebrotherI think it would make more sense having it split into Getting Started (Welcome, Getting Help, Naming conventions, Prerequisites)
22:32:18bluebrotherwith the prerequisites telling about a zip decompressor and similar stuff.
22:33:15tucozsounds fine by me
22:33:16bluebrotherand a second chapter Installation (Installation, Speech, Running, Updating, Uninstalling)
22:33:42tucozah, good idea
22:33:59bluebrotherI think "Installation" is somewhat different from "Getting started".
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22:34:14bluebrotherthat installation section could also include a description of the usb mode of the bootloader(s)
22:34:28bluebrotherand mention the way to boot the OF:
22:34:43tucozsounds good.
22:36:54tucozgood evening
22:37:10FebsThat would also be a good place to mention the reboot button(s) if they exist on a platform.\
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22:37:35bluebrotheralso, for something different: currently we have descriptions with \item[foo:] and \item[bar.]. We should use only one style.
22:37:43bluebrotherI'd personally prefer using a .
22:37:54bluebrotherFebs, good point.
22:39:05tucozI think we should go as far as having a table which tells the user how to reboot, reset, enter main menu etc
22:40:45bluebrotherreminds me of the rockbox menu structure we discussed some time ago.
22:40:50tucozthat is, have that table in the introductory chapter.
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22:40:57tucozbluebrother, what was that?
22:41:15bluebrotherit was about having a table that lists the complete menu structure.
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22:42:05tucozah, right. Yes, that should be in the manual
22:42:17bluebrotherlike somewhere at the beginning of the interface description.
22:42:30tucoznow I remember. I think I said that I was going to do it also
22:42:36tucozwhich I haven't ;)
22:42:52bluebrothermaybe we should have a chapter there that describes that structure and introduces into the main concepts of rockbox.
22:43:08FebsI think that the *complete* menu system should be laid out in an appendix. I mapped it out once, and it's quite daunting to take it all in.
22:43:13bluebrotherlike mentioning playlists, the wps-is-not-the-main-screen etc.
22:43:29FebsBut a table with an overall navigation description is a good idea.
22:44:11bluebrotherI thought about using a nested description environment.
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22:45:10tucozbluebrother, regarding the descriptions. I do not care if it's . or :, as long as it is consitency
22:46:23bluebrothersimilar for me. Regardless of my personal preference we should be consistent.
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22:47:43tucozI think your personal preference in the past have shown good judgement on what is good and what is not. So, you decide :)
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22:48:40bluebrothermaybe I should try reading it with festival first ;-)
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22:50:27FebsAs long as we're brainstorming about the manual, I think that we need a better description of themes: what they are, how to load them, etc.
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22:51:09tucozIs there a description of themes at all atm?
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22:51:42bluebrotherI think no.
22:51:47FebsOnly under "Browse themes" in the main menu chapter.
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22:52:05FebsAnd that is not very comprehensive.
22:52:39bluebrothermaybe it would better to have a more generic description before the main menu chapter?
22:52:56FebsIn fact, it might make sense to call the WPS section in Chapter 7 "Using Themes" instead of "Configuring the WPS."
22:53:16bluebrotherwith subsections like customizing (themes etc.), menu overview, rockbox concept (mention playlists)
22:53:52FebsThere was some talk earlier today about having a "Quickstart" section. I think what you are describing is essentially the same thing.
22:54:04bluebrotherI think 7.2 is still valid as it is but should be extended to describe themes at all.
22:54:38bluebrotherFebs, true. This could concatenize everything most users will need to actually play music.
22:54:39tucozyes, a quick start could be a good idea. But, that could be solved with bluebrother's idea instead
22:55:09FebsI agree. Who volunteers to write it? ;)
22:55:23*tucoz disappears
22:55:38bluebrotherwhy not call it "quick start"? Subsections "first contact", "rockbox concept", "menu overview", "customizing"
22:56:03bluebrotherI'm pretty busy the next days. Maybe next week ...
22:56:09tucozbut we have to be very greedy with the pages for that section
22:56:29bluebrotherI guess I need to set up a homepage with a "donate time" button :)
22:56:40bluebrotheris there something like "donateTimePal"?
22:56:52tucozThere should be one.
22:57:23bluebrotherbut I really like the idea.
22:57:39bluebrotherhopefully noone forgets about it until someone starts working on it :)
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22:58:00tucozYes, me too. A common question around here are those things. Like, how do I access the main menu
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22:58:20tucozor even, people do not even know there is a main menu
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22:58:41Sprite_tmHi ppl,
22:58:54bluebrotherthat would be funny :)
22:59:40Sprite_tmI'm trying to compile the simulator from the latest rocksbox snapshot, but it doesn't work. The codecs don't seem to get installed in the .rocksbox dir, and when I manually move 'em there, still no music plays.
22:59:54tucozdid you run make install?
23:00:16*Sprite_tm slaps self on forehead
23:00:18FebsThat's why I wrote the note for ipod users in the "Running Rockbox" section today. Since ipods don't use an ordinary filestructure (if loaded from itunes), there are a lot of "hey my player is empty!" posts in the forum.
23:00:42tucozFebs, good catch. that is definitley a FAQ
23:00:46bluebrotherI saw that in the commit logs.
23:00:48Sprite_tmMmm, still no music tho'.
23:00:53FebsThen those people conclude that Rockbox isn't even running (notwithstanding the splash screen).
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23:01:17Sprite_tmThe timer thingy stays at 0.00 too.
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23:01:28bluebrothera faq section in the appendix would also be nice.
23:01:30tucozbluebrother, Febs, I can add a section to the wiki on what the quick-start chapter should contain. Where do you think I should put that?
23:02:01bluebrothertucoz, maybe we should add a new table "new manual structure ideas" or similar?
23:02:03Sprite_tmAny gotchas with respect to for which player I should build the sim? I used the X5.
23:02:34tucozSprite_tm, that is up to you. Which target do you wish to simulate?
23:02:43tucozbluebrother, which page?
23:03:17Sprite_tmAs long as it works, I don't mind :) I'm trying to eventually run the sim on the GP2X, to see if rocksbox is a better player than the built-in one.
23:03:41tucozbluebrother, ManualTodo perhaps?
23:03:44FebsManualTodo is the logical place, although it needs an overhaul.
23:03:52FebsGreat minds think alike.
23:04:03bluebrotherI thought of ManualTodo, but another option would be a new ManualIdeas or similar.
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23:04:12bluebrotherhehe :)
23:04:23tucozI wonder how many pages in the wiki are never accessed
23:04:28Sprite_tmFunny btw... I try to get a mp3player binary and it compiles Doom :)
23:05:00bluebrotherok, after reading the descriptions to me it doesn't seem to make a difference. At least with kpdf, konqueror and festival.
23:05:02tucozSprite_tm, maybe one that has a resolution similar to the gp2x
23:05:54tucozI'll add it to the ManualTodo for now
23:05:59bluebrotherThus, I'd vote for using a . in the description items. Doesn't look that choppy to me than :
23:06:26tucozgets my vote as well then
23:06:38Sprite_tmtucoz: That would be 320x240xrgb :) Prolly something like an ipod video would be best.
23:06:52tucozSprite_tm, yes. that is the same res
23:07:25tucozyou are running the sim on the gp2x now?
23:07:46Sprite_tmtucoz: I still get no music though... I did a make and make install, copied mp3s to the dir, but the timer thingy still stays at 0.00 while I do see a play icon.
23:08:36Sprite_tmNope, on a normal PC.
23:08:42Sprite_tm(running Linux, btw)
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23:09:02tucozSprite_tm, sorry if I can't help you. It works fine here. (or did the last time I tried).
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23:09:22bluebrotherSprite_tm, may it be something else is blocking your sound device? Like arts or esd?
23:09:44Sprite_tmAfaik not, and even if, I have a sb live, which has a multi-openable /dev/dsp.
23:09:50 Quit barrywardell_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:10:52Sprite_tmtucoz: What snapshot do you have? See if it perhaps is a glitch in the cvs.
23:11:00Sprite_tms/see/to see/
23:11:12tucozI have the latest cvs. I can try a new compile
23:11:36bluebrotherSprite_tm, I tried the latest cvs only some hours ago.
23:11:36 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah")
23:12:06Sprite_tmI don't need any other libs than SDL to build the sim, do I?
23:13:05tucozdon't think so
23:13:20bluebrotherif you can build it I guess you should have everything installed you need.
23:13:41Sprite_tmThat's what I suspected too.
23:13:46dionoeamaybe your alsa device is already used by something else
23:14:04dionoeawoops, someone already asked that :)
23:14:24Sprite_tmNp, beter once too much than once too little :)
23:16:40bluebrotherjust did a rebuild, still works fine.
23:17:56Sprite_tmMmm, the configure output does say 'Enabled PCM sound playback in simulator', so that's not it...
23:18:01tucozSprite_tm, I just tried. I got your results when I had mplayer running in firefox, but it works fine when I stopped that
23:18:31Sprite_tmI don't have these 2 integrated, but I'll kill ff anyway.
23:19:04tucozno, but there could be some other app blocking your sound card
23:21:22Sprite_tmMmmmmm... I think sdl-alsa is broken on my machine.
23:21:38bluebrothermaybe lsof | grep snd helps?
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23:21:42Sprite_tmInstalling libsdl1.2debian-oss yields intermittent, but working sound.
23:22:12bluebrotherfor me rockboxui opens /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
23:23:16Sprite_tmMmm, that command does nothing here... /me goes to look at the permissions of his /dev-dir.
23:24:30Sprite_tmAh, a missing /dev/snd-dir, that explains :)
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23:25:17dionoeawell not really
23:25:20dionoeadepends on you device
23:25:27dionoeausually it's /dev/dsp
23:26:35Sprite_tmNope, /dev/dsp is oss (or the alsa emulation of it)
23:27:43bluebrotheralsa uses /dev/snd/*
23:27:47dionoeahum right ... i have a /dev/snd dir. ... never noticed it
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23:33:53MmmmFebs: seen any "OMFG Rockbox bricked my remote!" threads yet? ;)
23:36:55FebsNot yet! :)
23:37:03bluebrotherMmmm, is there any? Sounds crazy.
23:37:10^jhMikeS^Had some problems with patch.......little longer.
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23:37:23Mmmmhave you tried it? I don't think you'll be having any at all!
23:37:40Mmmmbluebrother: any what?
23:37:49^jhMikeS^OMFG My remote exploded after I undated! How do I fix it?
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23:38:01bluebrotherany remote bricking thread
23:38:45MmmmI did a disable remote LCD feature which should be idiot proof :D
23:43:11BigMachmm trying to learn c, but i hate cygwin and cont have enough cpu space to installl it anyway
23:43:23bluebrotherBigMac, try the vmware image.
23:43:48bluebrothergtg. bye.
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23:47:27preglowwas there some way of making rockbox update the free clucster count?
23:47:48tucozpreglow, yes. press play in the info screen (or something like that)
23:51:05preglowahh, reminds me of the first time i ran the rockbox bootloader
23:51:18preglowand it just spent ages scanning the disk, looking very, very bricked
23:51:28tucozthe good old days
23:51:45preglowi think two people tried it before me, and it worked for them
23:51:48preglowso i was somewhat anxious
23:52:16*preglow goes logdiving
23:52:27linuxstbNo faith at all...
23:52:31tucoza trip down memory lane
23:53:37tucoz01.04.36 # <preglow> i've got a guy yelling in spanish outside my window right now
23:53:41tucoz01.04.44 # <preglow> i'd prefer he stopped it
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23:55:20preglowthe student flat...
23:55:24preglow22.41.39 # <preglow> 'cause mine's less than responsive
23:55:32preglow22.41.49 # <preglow> which would be pretty typical
23:55:35preglowinitial low faith
23:56:04tucozso you found the moment of truth
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23:57:57linuxstb00.17.19 # <preglow> most unintuitive piece of coding i ever saw
23:57:57linuxstb00.17.23 # <preglow> may it suffer in hell
23:57:57linuxstb00.17.41 # <preglow> and steve jobs be found crying in purgatory
23:58:04linuxstb(guess what preglow just used....)

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