| 00:02:16 | barrywardell | i sent of my H10 to iriver today, so in a couple of weeks, I will be able to get back to it |
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| 00:05:46 | markun | Bagder, LinusN: are the SID files supposed to be listened to in mono? |
| 00:05:58 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:06:00 | preglow | barrywardell: sure they'll send you one back, though? :> |
| 00:06:01 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:06:13 | preglow | markun: you'd need more than one sid chip for stereo sound |
| 00:06:28 | preglow | the chip itself is mono |
| 00:07:08 | markun | But we could playback the 4 channels in different 'stereo positions' |
| 00:07:10 | barrywardell | preglow: I'm not sure, but hope so! iriver are quite good about RMAs |
| 00:07:23 | preglow | markun: why? |
| 00:07:28 | preglow | markun: besides, it's three channels |
| 00:07:35 | Mikachu | pan them around like crazy |
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| 00:07:52 | LinusN | Bg3r: there? |
| 00:08:04 | preglow | three oscillators, i think some people kind amplitude modulating the output as a fourth channel, but i really wouldn't count it as such |
| 00:08:09 | safetydan | preglow, would it be a crazy idea to use the existing EQ UI for the ipod 5g hw eq? I was thinking having an option somewhere that says "Software or Hardware EQ" and then having the UI limit the possible settings based on that |
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| 00:08:22 | preglow | safetydan: don't see why not |
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| 00:09:39 | safetydan | well that should be easy enough then if someone implements the interface to the hardware |
| 00:10:40 | preglow | shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:10:43 | preglow | make linuxstb do it! |
| 00:12:09 | * | safetydan looks at linuxstb |
| 00:12:37 | safetydan | though how would it work with an eq graph based interface like the one Febs proposed? |
| 00:12:41 | preglow | you need to tickle him for maximum effect |
| 00:12:48 | preglow | safetydan: not at all, heh |
| 00:13:09 | preglow | i don't actually know the response curve, so it'd all just be educated guessing |
| 00:13:20 | preglow | though it is measurable, of course |
| 00:13:58 | Bagder | now it builds at least |
| 00:14:31 | safetydan | Large parts of Rockbox are based on educated guessing so it wouldn't be the first time :) |
| 00:15:44 | preglow | i'm guessing at least the peaking filters are exactly what i use |
| 00:15:51 | preglow | you can't really do too many variations on these things |
| 00:17:25 | * | LinusN spots a sandisk commit |
| 00:17:39 | Bagder | yah |
| 00:17:42 | Bagder | more coming up |
| 00:17:57 | LinusN | k-k-k-k00000l |
| 00:18:01 | Bagder | basically to get a reaaaally basic bootloader to get built |
| 00:18:42 | preglow | i want portalplayer info!"¤ |
| 00:18:45 | Bagder | "We are working on getting you the development board with JTAG to help accomplish this...." |
| 00:19:07 | LinusN | wow |
| 00:20:22 | preglow | if so, stuff that thing in a clean room and touch it only with one foot planted halfway into solid conducting wet soil |
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| 00:22:53 | fraggsta | wait what, SID playback?! |
| 00:24:08 | fraggsta | is there MOD playback? |
| 00:26:30 | preglow | both |
| 00:26:38 | preglow | afaik |
| 00:27:10 | preglow | ahh, mod hasn't been commited yet? |
| 00:27:25 | fraggsta | I found a patch, but it looks a little limited |
| 00:27:39 | preglow | well |
| 00:27:49 | preglow | the current codec system isn't really well suited to that kind of format |
| 00:27:53 | barrywardell | Bagder: was that a reply from sandisk? |
| 00:27:58 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:28:19 | Bagder | and now there's a big commit |
| 00:28:35 | * | preglow does the new target dance |
| 00:28:57 | fraggsta | why is there the 512 Kb sample limit? are plugins limited in memory usage? |
| 00:29:06 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:29:17 | Bagder | barrywardell: I would appreciate if you could merge with CVS now and update your patch. I hope I didn't mess it up for you too much |
| 00:29:42 | barrywardell | will do |
| 00:29:52 | barrywardell | just doing a cvs update now |
| 00:31:54 | Bagder | barrywardell: I forgot to define TARGET_TREE in config-h10.h |
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| 00:32:49 | Bagder | hm, and all x5 builders will get an annoying range of warnings until configure is re-run |
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| 00:36:43 | LinusN | Bagder: i named the ata.c file in the x5 directory ata-x5.c |
| 00:36:55 | Bagder | right |
| 00:36:57 | LinusN | not because it is necessary |
| 00:37:02 | LinusN | but for convenience |
| 00:37:14 | Bagder | 5000 points |
| 00:37:18 | Bagder | now that's a lot |
| 00:37:29 | LinusN | i think ata-e200.c would be a good idea |
| 00:37:35 | Bagder | I agree |
| 00:37:41 | Bagder | will fix |
| 00:37:49 | LinusN | same goes for the other files |
| 00:37:56 | Bagder | yes |
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| 00:45:54 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 00:50:32 | amiconn | Archos gamma curve redone. Looking quite nice now too :) |
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| 01:00:36 | markun | amiconn: btw, what was the doom "headache bug" you were talking about? |
| 01:01:08 | amiconn | Well, doom on H1x0 causes a headache, because it's way too dark |
| 01:01:44 | preglow | why would anyone play doom on h1x0? :V |
| 01:01:59 | markun | it was way to blurry for me |
| 01:02:03 | amiconn | Ask that anyone ;) |
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| 01:05:48 | BigMac | i dont even play doom on my ipod anymore |
| 01:06:00 | BigMac | it was fun for a day then lost all fun |
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| 01:08:22 | * | amiconn would have chosen slightly different names for the sansa target dirs |
| 01:09:17 | markun | if we switch to svn we can always rename folders and files.. :) |
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| 01:13:52 | barrywardell | Bagder: in bootloader/SOURCES, #elif defined(IRIVER_H10) is never reached because CONFIG_CPU==PP5020 is reached first. |
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| 01:17:59 | * | linuxstb returns |
| 01:23:31 | barrywardell | would it be better to check for IPOD_ARCH==1 instead of doing a cpu check? |
| 01:25:55 | Astro | dammit, my X5 just crushed me at chess :( |
| 01:26:04 | idnar | hah |
| 01:26:13 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes - bootloader/SOURCES should check IPOD_ARCH... |
| 01:26:33 | Astro | and I used to consider myself at least semi-decent....the AI isn't bad |
| 01:27:06 | preglow | it isn't super either |
| 01:27:36 | Astro | I'm sure it's not, but it was better than me this time :) |
| 01:28:45 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Fixed in CVS. |
| 01:28:57 | barrywardell | thanks linuxstb |
| 01:29:24 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Any news on your H10? Is it now with iriver? |
| 01:29:39 | barrywardell | i only got around to posting it off today |
| 01:29:49 | barrywardell | 3-5 days for delivery to iriver |
| 01:30:37 | barrywardell | my brother sent his to them for repair a while ago and it took about two weeks |
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| 01:31:14 | linuxstb | So you can brick your brother's H10 now? |
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| 01:33:16 | barrywardell | lol. he wouldn't be happy |
| 01:33:32 | preglow | what did you do to brick it anyway? |
| 01:34:42 | linuxstb | I exaggerate... Sounds like a coincidental hardware failure to me. |
| 01:35:13 | barrywardell | i wish i knew. was running a modified bootloader. but i had done it several times before without problems |
| 01:35:26 | barrywardell | may have been a coincidence |
| 01:35:58 | barrywardell | by bootloader, I mean rockbox ipod bootloader |
| 01:36:28 | preglow | nothing special? |
| 01:37:15 | barrywardell | i was reading button presses from gpio and writing them to disk |
| 01:38:39 | preglow | doesn't sound very perilous |
| 01:39:29 | barrywardell | my h10 was in a dismantled state at the time |
| 01:40:25 | Astro | quick question: what's the difference between the X5 and the X5V ? V = video? |
| 01:41:27 | preglow | greater battery capacity, i believe |
| 01:41:49 | Astro | hmm...that's more commonly known as X5L, I believe |
| 01:42:00 | preglow | right, then ignore me |
| 01:42:05 | preglow | i don't even own one |
| 01:42:14 | Astro | never seen the term X5V before, that's why I'm asking... |
| 01:42:36 | amiconn | The X5V is a simple version of the X5 afaik |
| 01:42:41 | amiconn | No radio, no recording |
| 01:42:52 | Astro | ah, ok |
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| 01:54:44 | enzyme | hi |
| 01:55:04 | enzyme | is it possible to put a macosx on my laptop |
| 01:56:15 | rus1 | hi |
| 01:56:19 | rus1 | why are you asking that here? |
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| 01:57:24 | enzyme | i dunno |
| 01:57:33 | enzyme | i was just woundering |
| 01:58:37 | dan_a | *sigh* I give up on this multi-CPU thing... for a day or two at least... |
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| 02:08:08 | preglow | bedz0r |
| 02:10:00 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
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| 03:33:14 | BigMac | hmmmmm |
| 03:35:27 | BHSPitMonkey | hammmmmmmm |
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| 04:11:48 | jn | hey i have plenty of room on my ipod but its telling me that there is no space left |
| 04:12:31 | jn | 3949 items, totalling 14.6 GB and it's a 30gb ipod photo... |
| 04:12:32 | jn | check this out |
| 04:12:36 | jn | cp: cannot create directory `/mnt/ipod/metal/Killwhitneydead-So_Pretty_So_Plastic_(Chopped_and_Screwed)-(Special_Edition)-TRACKFIX-2006-ARK': No space left on device |
| 04:13:28 | BHSPitMonkey | what does the command "df -h" say about the iPod? |
| 04:14:27 | jn | /dev/sda2 28G 28G 0 100% /mnt/ipod |
| 04:14:32 | jn | but that's not right.. |
| 04:15:33 | Mikachu | try fsck.vfat maybe |
| 04:18:37 | jn | what would the line be? |
| 04:18:46 | jn | fsck.vfat -a /dev/sda2? |
| 04:18:50 | Mikachu | i would try -n first |
| 04:19:21 | jn | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 04:19:37 | jn | Free cluster summary wrong (0 vs. really 3461445) Auto-correcting. |
| 04:19:42 | jn | thats it i think |
| 04:19:47 | Mikachu | that would be the one, yes |
| 04:20:02 | jn | mm still says no space left |
| 04:20:12 | Mikachu | -n means don't do anything |
| 04:20:19 | Mikachu | so you want to run with -a now |
| 04:20:30 | jn | will it mess up the bootsector? |
| 04:20:46 | Mikachu | you can use -r if you want and only repair the second thing i suppose |
| 04:21:07 | Mikachu | but i don't think anything uses the bootsector of the filesystem |
| 04:21:07 | jn | what do you recommend? |
| 04:21:11 | jn | ok |
| 04:21:15 | jn | so -a then? |
| 04:21:34 | Mikachu | yeah |
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| 06:43:09 | infamis | fellow rockboxers |
| 06:44:21 | infamis | anybody ever think about what a "rock"-"box" would actually look like? |
| 06:44:21 | goffa | howdy |
| 06:44:41 | goffa | me when thinking of an updated logo |
| 06:44:52 | goffa | but haven't thought of any ideas.. and everyone seems to like the current logo |
| 06:44:57 | goffa | so the idea passed :) |
| 06:45:15 | infamis | ok, so 1 person's awoke... |
| 06:46:02 | infamis | or 'awake'...whatever the right word is |
| 06:46:13 | goffa | he he he |
| 06:46:21 | goffa | yeah |
| 06:46:30 | goffa | only 10:46pm here |
| 06:46:45 | scorche | many of us are...just some choose to pipe in at certain times =) |
| 06:46:52 | BloodySorcerer | rocken boxen |
| 06:47:09 | infamis | same here plus an hour...well I guess it wouldn't be 'same here' if it was plus an hour...ah whatever |
| 06:47:34 | BloodySorcerer | 00:47 here. |
| 06:47:38 | BloodySorcerer | insomnia here. |
| 06:47:56 | infamis | go to sleep! |
| 06:48:28 | BloodySorcerer | nevar |
| 06:48:33 | BloodySorcerer | i have to wake up at 7:30 |
| 06:48:34 | BloodySorcerer | :( |
| 06:49:16 | infamis | I wake up at 9am, so I got about an hour 'til it's 1am...me needs my full 8hrs |
| 06:49:28 | goffa | yeah... last month i had to be at work at 7am... so going in at 8 is like sleeping in |
| 06:49:44 | goffa | i usually end up with around 6 |
| 06:50:06 | goffa | i'd like more.. but there's not enough time in a day |
| 06:50:09 | BloodySorcerer | i usually end up with "not enough" |
| 06:50:20 | infamis | lol |
| 06:51:07 | infamis | seems this place is kickin' when it's like 3am/4am over here...translates to morning time over in the "europe's" |
| 06:51:49 | infamis | but anyways, main reason for coming here was to see if anyone experienced any odd playback issues recently |
| 06:51:49 | safetydan | it's around 3pm here |
| 06:52:04 | BloodySorcerer | australia? |
| 06:52:07 | safetydan | yo |
| 06:52:43 | safetydan | infamis, no haven't noticed any problems, but then again my build is like a week old |
| 06:52:56 | scorche | infamis: what problems? |
| 06:53:48 | infamis | basically playback-unrecoverability(?) sometimes when fast-forwarding or rewinding. |
| 06:54:01 | infamis | only fix is to shutdown |
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| 06:54:23 | Harry | joo |
| 06:54:29 | scorche | ok...so when i fast-forward/rewind, the player ______ |
| 06:54:33 | scorche | fill in the blank =P |
| 06:55:10 | infamis | lol, the player ___is not responsive, and the only button that works is the power-off button____ |
| 06:55:10 | safetydan | infamis, a fix went in for some buffering issues a few days ago. Is your build more recent than that? |
| 06:55:57 | scorche | so it is a total freeze... |
| 06:56:12 | infamis | build is as of aug 1, 1:00 cvs; the latest commit I have for this build is: 1 Aug 01:00Linus Nielsen Feltzingfirmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/lcd-x5.c 1.11 Patch #5740 by Mike Sevakis - X5 LCD performance enhancements |
| 06:57:16 | infamis | I do see a 'align on 32 bit boundaries' recent commit, maybe that's a fix, but I haven't built yet |
| 06:57:24 | infamis | *an |
| 06:58:02 | Harry | how do i reg nick |
| 06:58:24 | infamis | it may be a total freeze, I think I waited up to a whole minute to see if it would recover to no avail |
| 06:58:37 | scorche | Harry: we have told you to read the freenode FAQ many times...please do not come in here and repeatedly ask the same questions |
| 06:58:49 | scorche | infamis: sounds like it |
| 06:59:00 | Harry | scorche just tell me the command |
| 06:59:09 | scorche | figure it out yourself |
| 06:59:13 | infamis | lol |
| 06:59:17 | goffa | isn't it alt+f4? |
| 06:59:24 | scorche | or go ask in #freenode or #freenode-help or whatever |
| 06:59:25 | infamis | you mean ctrl+alt+del twice? |
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| 07:00:08 | safetydan | infamis, what target? |
| 07:00:19 | infamis | the x5 |
| 07:00:22 | scorche | infamis: that does affect the audio buffer |
| 07:00:23 | BloodySorcerer | eh? |
| 07:00:24 | BloodySorcerer | x5? |
| 07:00:39 | infamis | yeah.....x5.... :) |
| 07:00:55 | BloodySorcerer | what're we talking aboot? |
| 07:01:05 | scorche | but, the x5 has 16megs of ram |
| 07:01:12 | infamis | fast-forwarding/rewinding sometimes crashing rb |
| 07:01:21 | scorche | have you tried varying amounts of skipping? |
| 07:01:27 | Harry| | how do u spell regester |
| 07:01:33 | scorche | eg, skipping a short bit, long bit |
| 07:01:35 | BloodySorcerer | register? |
| 07:01:55 | scorche | Harry|: /ns help register |
| 07:01:55 | goffa | dictionary.com |
| 07:01:55 | safetydan | infamis, I don't know then, but I think similar things have been an issue for a while now |
| 07:02:07 | scorche | now go away and leave us be! |
| 07:02:26 | infamis | the thing is, it's a pretty recent issue....didn't have this problem before the recent playback.c commits |
| 07:02:43 | infamis | *if those are the culprit |
| 07:02:49 | scorche | infamis: can you try what i asked above? =) |
| 07:03:07 | safetydan | You could try and summon Slasheri or lostlogic since they're the playback.c gurus |
| 07:03:22 | infamis | yea I'll try it out...it isn't really that easy to reproduce, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.......for the most part it doesn't |
| 07:03:37 | scorche | well, i will be back... |
| 07:03:43 | infamis | I'd say out of 3 hours of playback tonight, it happened about 4 times. |
| 07:03:54 | infamis | ok |
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| 07:04:51 | infamis | insta-skip (tm) is awesome though.... |
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| 07:30:00 | Hideo_Kuze | Hi guys, is it just me or are there no colon and semi-colon in the rockbox keyboard? |
| 07:30:18 | Mikachu | you can make your own keyboard layout |
| 07:30:28 | Mikachu | put the stuff in a file and call it something.kbd and click on it |
| 07:30:52 | Mikachu | i am not saying ; and : shouldn't be in the keyboard |
| 07:30:53 | Hideo_Kuze | and I can place it anywhere in the .rockbox directory? |
| 07:31:00 | Mikachu | i believe so |
| 07:31:38 | Hideo_Kuze | yeah : and ; should be in there, all sorts of weird chars are in there while : and ; are more common |
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| 07:37:55 | jn | is there a way to see free space left in rb |
| 07:38:05 | Mikachu | Info |
| 07:38:10 | jn | ty |
| 07:38:24 | Mikachu | and then one of the three items there |
| 07:38:51 | Mikachu | did your fsck work? |
| 07:39:42 | jn | ya |
| 07:39:48 | jn | didnt free up space tho |
| 07:39:59 | jn | maybe it really is full and the ipod (apple side) lies |
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| 07:40:24 | Mikachu | what does du -hs /mnt/ipod tell you then? |
| 07:40:44 | Mikachu | will take a little while to finish probably |
| 07:40:47 | jn | 15G /mnt/ipod |
| 07:40:57 | jn | its a 30 gig ipod |
| 07:41:27 | Mikachu | one course of action would be to move all files off the ipod, mkfs.vfat -F 32 it, and move the files abck |
| 07:43:50 | jn | rockbox claims disk only has 52.1MB free |
| 07:43:54 | jn | something's up |
| 07:44:04 | Mikachu | and df -h? |
| 07:44:10 | jn | same |
| 07:44:19 | Mikachu | and fsck says everything is fine now? |
| 07:44:24 | jn | yup |
| 07:45:27 | jn | wait nope |
| 07:45:36 | jn | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 07:45:36 | jn | Free cluster summary wrong (13345 vs. really 3474790) Auto-correcting. |
| 07:45:36 | jn | Leaving file system unchanged. |
| 07:45:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jn |
| 07:45:36 | jn | /dev/sda2: 4367 files, 3826530/7301320 clusters |
| 07:45:42 | jn | it keeps doing that |
| 07:45:56 | jn | i fixed the boot sector and that but it comes back |
| 07:45:58 | Mikachu | ah, you may have to say -r |
| 07:46:08 | Mikachu | <jn> Leaving file system unchanged. |
| 07:46:10 | jn | i already have |
| 07:46:12 | jn | i know |
| 07:46:15 | jn | i'll try it again |
| 07:46:15 | Mikachu | hm |
| 07:46:24 | Mikachu | dosfstools are not my friend |
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| 07:46:37 | jn | Perform changes ? (y/n) y |
| 07:46:37 | jn | /dev/sda2: 4367 files, 3826530/7301320 clusters |
| 07:48:00 | jn | jn@jn-laptop:/$ cp -r /dump/MP3/Jurassic_5-Feedback-2006-ESC/ /mnt/ipod/hiphop |
| 07:48:00 | jn | cp: writing `/mnt/ipod/hiphop/15-jurassic_5-canto_de_ossanha.mp3': No space left on device |
| 07:48:17 | Mikachu | you could try chkdsk if you have a windows computer handy i suppose |
| 07:48:20 | jn | jn@jn-laptop:/$ fsck.vfat -n /dev/sda2 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 07:48:20 | jn | Free cluster summary wrong (0 vs. really 3461445) |
| 07:48:32 | jn | i do. |
| 07:48:52 | jn | what about doing the mkfs.vfat -F 32 |
| 07:48:57 | jn | think that would do the trick? |
| 07:49:04 | Mikachu | i hope you have not been using -n the whole time |
| 07:49:16 | jn | i haven't |
| 07:49:18 | jn | -r |
| 07:49:35 | Mikachu | the downside to mkfs is you have to backup all files first |
| 07:49:41 | jn | i dont mind |
| 07:49:51 | jn | i'll just do that |
| 07:50:36 | jn | cp -r /mnt/ipod/ /dump/TEMP/ipod |
| 07:50:46 | Bg3r | morning ;) |
| 07:50:49 | jn | am i gonna have to extract apple fw and all that again after this? |
| 07:50:56 | Mikachu | no |
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| 07:51:01 | Mikachu | that stuff all goes in sda1 |
| 07:51:03 | jn | cool cool |
| 07:51:09 | jn | hope i dont run into this problem again |
| 07:51:29 | Mikachu | fat isn't the most reliable file system on earth |
| 07:51:44 | jn | very true |
| 07:54:02 | dwihno | \o/ wee! morning! |
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| 08:02:03 | Hideo_Kuze | fsck.msdos ruined my partition when I tried it over usb1 |
| 08:02:21 | Hideo_Kuze | too slow for it apparently |
| 08:03:07 | scorche | it has worked fine for me...just takes a while =) |
| 08:05:36 | jn | what does fsck.msdos do? |
| 08:06:00 | Hideo_Kuze | same thing fsck.vfat does |
| 08:06:01 | goffa | sends email to bill gates telling him to fsck off |
| 08:06:12 | Hideo_Kuze | heh |
| 08:06:17 | goffa | :) |
| 08:07:23 | jn | i have usb2 :) |
| 08:09:09 | Hideo_Kuze | well rub it in why don't ya |
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| 08:36:19 | jn | hey what was the exact cmd to run with fsck to format the ipod |
| 08:38:05 | jn | is it fsck.vfat -F /dev/sda2 ? |
| 08:38:15 | jn | is it fsck.vfat -F /dev/sda2 32 |
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| 08:39:26 | astecp | um |
| 08:40:03 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:40:03 | * | astecp would guess mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdX |
| 08:40:24 | astecp | but that's almost entirely different to what you're suggesting |
| 08:40:28 | astecp | and it's only a guess |
| 08:40:41 | jn | looks right |
| 08:41:24 | astecp | note /dev/sdX instead of /dev/sdXY ... I'm making the assumption that the ipod like most flash devices doesn't actually want a partition table |
| 08:41:42 | Slasheri | LinusN: The problem with buffer_alloc in tagcache/dircache is that it isn't known how much buffer we really need. So using it requires a dirty syntax: some_buffer = buffer_alloc(0); ...; buffer_alloc(real_size); |
| 08:42:13 | amiconn | astecp: The ipod absolutely needs a partition table, and the first partition, while being of type 0, _must_ not be deleted |
| 08:42:39 | amiconn | It's the firmware partition, without it the ipod will no longer boot (but can be restored) |
| 08:42:55 | Bagder | the sansas use partitions as well |
| 08:44:04 | amiconn | The Ondio also uses parttions (and we need to keep that because of our cfg sector), and _all_ MMCs I've seen are factory formatted using a partition table |
| 08:44:20 | Bagder | so then perhaps "most flash devices" actually use partitions |
| 08:44:52 | jn | thanks astecp |
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| 08:51:39 | amiconn | Slasheri: Are you planning to do something against the "-1. xxxx" in tagcache? |
| 08:53:08 | * | amiconn would also like to see track number guessing removed |
| 08:54:28 | amiconn | I have a some tracks which have no track number, on purpose. Some of them are by "666", and they are evaluated as having track number 66.... |
| 08:55:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, that is not because of track number guessing but the new format definition restrictions of the tagnavi.config |
| 08:55:29 | Slasheri | there should be a way to define different syntaxes when tracknum > 0 and when it's not |
| 08:55:40 | Slasheri | -1 just means the track has no track number |
| 08:55:56 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting |
| 08:56:00 | amiconn | I know these are 2 different problems. |
| 08:56:37 | mirak | linux finds flash device partitions, but windows often just see the first one |
| 08:57:17 | mirak | always |
| 08:57:37 | Slasheri | amiconn: i was even thinking that the entries in tagcache could each be a "rockbox script" that is executed to display the results |
| 08:57:53 | Slasheri | that would give the best customization capabilities |
| 08:57:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: On another matter, undefining HAVE_TC_RAMCACHE for archos saves almost 2KB |
| 08:58:02 | Bagder | the sansa even has the actual firmware it loads on the second partition |
| 08:58:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: sounds great |
| 08:58:23 | amiconn | (but fired a warning I just fixed) |
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| 09:00:54 | amiconn | We could probably save some more when removing the use_ram parameter completely when HAVE_TC_RAMCACHE isn't defined, in a similar manner as the IF_MV macros in fat.c work |
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| 09:02:50 | amiconn | Slasheri: Talking about IF_MV, is there a reason why dircache doesn't work together with multivolume? (Mikachu wanted to know) |
| 09:03:49 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i have never tried it with multivolume and haven't used the IF_MV correctly in the code so that's probably the reason.. Hmm, maybe it could be fixed |
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| 09:04:34 | amiconn | When hotplug is also defined, it will get really ugly. |
| 09:04:38 | Slasheri | that's mainly because i don't have any devices with multivolume capability |
| 09:04:50 | amiconn | multivolume is possible on all targets |
| 09:05:04 | amiconn | Just create 2 (or more) parttions |
| 09:05:14 | Slasheri | ah, interesting |
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| 09:05:37 | Slasheri | i thought that was only for the units with different card slots or something like that |
| 09:05:45 | amiconn | Hotplug is a different matter. With hotplug, we'll need a way to exclude volumes from dircache |
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| 09:07:53 | amiconn | Slasheri: It was invented for devices with multiple "disks" (Ondio internal flash and MMC), but works for multiple partitions on all targets |
| 09:08:59 | amiconn | On H300, multivolume and hotplug will come into play when usbotg gets implemented |
| 09:09:15 | amiconn | The hotplugged volumes must not be dircached |
| 09:15:11 | muesli|delhi | whats the difference between unicode utf-7 16 32 big/little endian etc? what should i use in thunderbird for german characters, does somebody knows? |
| 09:17:03 | markun | muesli|delhi: I use UTF-8 for international chars in mails |
| 09:17:09 | Galois | nobody uses utf7 |
| 09:17:16 | Galois | for the rest, see joelonsoftware.com |
| 09:17:34 | Bagder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode |
| 09:17:39 | Galois | specifically, http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html |
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| 09:25:01 | amiconn | Bagder: Do you think it would be possible to make the langv2 scripts check for features? |
| 09:25:20 | Bagder | sure |
| 09:30:48 | amiconn | The current approach has disadvantages when adding more and more targets, depending on the type of string of course |
| 09:31:16 | amiconn | For strings which are indeed model dependent (like NAVI for iriver) it works very well, |
| 09:31:43 | amiconn | but for others, e.g. strings for all swcodec targets, it's cumbersome |
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| 09:33:08 | amiconn | Same goes for other features like backlight (to be included for all targets except Ondio, unless the Ondio has the backlight mod), or alarm (to be included for fmrecorder and recorder v2, and recorder with alarm mod) |
| 09:33:49 | Bagder | I don't think we need to focus much on the mods versions |
| 09:34:01 | Bagder | they are extremely rare |
| 09:34:16 | Bagder | and I bet they can live with untranslated strings for those parts |
| 09:34:18 | amiconn | Even when they're rare - missing strings would be very ugly |
| 09:34:33 | amiconn | They wouldn't be untranslated, they would be empty... |
| 09:34:35 | Bagder | hm, right they would be missing |
| 09:34:55 | amiconn | Some strings even need checking for multiple features (e.g. clipping light needs to check for both recording and backlight) |
| 09:36:01 | amiconn | The question is how fine grained we want to apply langv2. |
| 09:37:27 | amiconn | We could say mod versions are rare so we ignore them - but then we'd have to include the strings for possible mods in the standard version, and that again means including unused strings for the masses |
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| 09:38:24 | Bagder | or we just require the mod-people to run patched versions |
| 09:38:41 | Bagder | but |
| 09:38:56 | Bagder | I think we could perhaps solve this if we give it some thoughts |
| 09:39:45 | amiconn | That's what mod people do.... but today building a patched version just means adding some EXTRA_DEFINE(s) |
| 09:40:34 | amiconn | The feature check would be very useful for standard builds as well. Imagine a string needed on all swcodec targets. |
| 09:40:45 | amiconn | With the current approach, there are 2 options: |
| 09:40:47 | amiconn | (1) |
| 09:41:04 | amiconn | *: "swcodec text" |
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| 09:41:21 | amiconn | player, recorder*, fmrecorder, ondio*: "" |
| 09:41:31 | amiconn | (2) |
| 09:41:35 | amiconn | *: "" |
| 09:41:59 | amiconn | h100,h120,h300,ipod*,x5: "swcodec text" |
| 09:42:21 | amiconn | ...and if you add a target, all those lang entries need updating.... |
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| 09:56:08 | LinusN | Slasheri: how about allocating a fairly large buffer when the size is unknown? |
| 09:56:44 | LinusN | sure, it will leave the user with a smaller audio buffer, but that's only the first time after enabling the option, right? |
| 09:57:32 | amiconn | Dircache and tagcache buffer size can vary vastly afaik |
| 09:57:41 | amiconn | Anything from a few KB to several MB |
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| 10:00:13 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:01:11 | LinusN | but would it be a huge problem if we allocated 3mbytes when the option is first turned on? |
| 10:01:24 | LinusN | to avoid a reboot |
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| 10:02:28 | amiconn | Depends on how much ram the target has |
| 10:02:33 | muesli|delhi | is there already dual boot for iaudio possible? |
| 10:02:38 | LinusN | on another topic, does anyone know why the bookmark files are stored in the parent folder? |
| 10:02:47 | Bagder | muesli|delhi: there's a patch for that, yes |
| 10:03:03 | muesli|delhi | Bagder ok, thx ;) |
| 10:03:18 | amiconn | Iirc the maximum dircache size is 6MB; if it's the same for tagcache allocating the maximum will _severely_ hit the audio buffer on e.g. h100 ... |
| 10:03:20 | LinusN | amiconn: sure, but do you store any of the caches in ram on archos? |
| 10:03:59 | amiconn | Cvs allows tagcache in RAM for archos |
| 10:04:00 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, it will severly hit the audio buffer, but only the first time you enable the option |
| 10:04:38 | amiconn | ...but I'll probably disable this soon because it doesn't make much sense, and disabling saves almost 2KB on binary size |
| 10:05:02 | LinusN | amiconn: sounds fair |
| 10:05:04 | amiconn | On fmrecorder, we're very near the rombox limit again (a few 100 bytes) :( |
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| 10:05:43 | LinusN | i tried to test the voice buffer issue yesterday, and the MS voices were too large :-( |
| 10:06:00 | LinusN | my buffer was 1.4MB and the voice files 1.5MB |
| 10:06:21 | amiconn | Do you run rockbox from flash? |
| 10:06:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:06:37 | LinusN | well, not rombox |
| 10:06:48 | amiconn | I mean rombox... |
| 10:06:56 | * | amiconn is always running rombox on archos |
| 10:07:07 | amiconn | LinusN: Why not? |
| 10:07:46 | amiconn | Rombox gives >200KB extra buffer on my recorder... |
| 10:08:18 | LinusN | so blind people would have to user rombox? |
| 10:08:22 | LinusN | use |
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| 10:08:58 | amiconn | Hmm, that'd be a problem |
| 10:09:20 | LinusN | btw, shouldn't we offer target-specific voice files? |
| 10:09:45 | amiconn | Yes, as soon as langv2 is borught a bit further |
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| 10:10:37 | amiconn | talk.c needs some work as well (introducing a target marker and the lang version in the header) |
| 10:13:31 | LinusN | to protect against loading the wrong voice file? |
| 10:14:44 | amiconn | Yes, because then (a) voice can be all mixed up and (b) it may not even load at all |
| 10:15:06 | amiconn | I plan to scrap the voice clip bitswap for swcodec targets |
| 10:15:20 | amiconn | If we do that, voice building should be put in cvs |
| 10:15:54 | amiconn | It will still require a windows box, unless you can make wine run both SAPI5 and vbscript, which I think might be impossible |
| 10:18:56 | LinusN | i plan to add automatic festival voice builds on the build server |
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| 10:22:05 | * | amiconn hopes the build server has enough disk capacity to spare |
| 10:22:31 | amiconn | What languages are supported by festival (in bearable quality)? |
| 10:22:45 | amiconn | How many voices are there per language? |
| 10:26:20 | LinusN | haven't checked closely, but i don't expect much |
| 10:27:05 | Bagder | the build server has many gigabytes to offer |
| 10:27:19 | Bagder | and if not, we can just add a new drive |
| 10:30:20 | amiconn | Hmm, just an estimation: let there be 6 usable voices (languages * voices_per_language). One voice file is 1.4MB. We have 21 targets, and the build server stores the last 30 dailies. That means 6 * 1.4MB * 21 * 30 =~ 5.2GB |
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| 10:30:57 | Bagder | well, we don't have to keep 30 days for these if we don't want to |
| 10:31:17 | Bagder | but 5GB is not a problem |
| 10:31:26 | Bagder | 50 might be |
| 10:31:31 | amiconn | ok |
| 10:32:43 | amiconn | Building >120 voice files will also take a while |
| 10:32:49 | Bagder | indeed |
| 10:33:16 | amiconn | Iirc building one voice file (windows, SAPI5) takes 1..2 minutes here |
| 10:33:33 | * | amiconn didn't do this for quite a while now :/ |
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| 10:36:46 | amiconn | You could apply some trickery by not building voices for certain targets, just symlinking instead. Some voice files will be identical |
| 10:38:04 | amiconn | (a) fmrecorder and recorderv2. (b) h100 and h120. (c) mini1g and mini2g. (d) ipod 3g and 4g (probably) |
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| 11:26:31 | Jungti1234 | hello. |
| 11:29:51 | aliask | Hi Jungti1234 |
| 11:29:55 | markun | good day Jungti1234 |
| 11:30:06 | Jungti1234 | :) hi all |
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| 11:31:39 | zsr | is it possible to add a playlist to the tagnavi? |
| 11:31:44 | zsr | so itll run the playlists directly |
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| 11:58:03 | linuxstb | safetydan: Reading your question from last night - yes, I'ld like to see the current EQ screen adapted to use the 5g's hardware EQ. |
| 11:59:29 | safetydan | linuxstb, cool. shouldn't be too hard once there's an interface to the hardware eq |
| 11:59:50 | safetydan | just clamp the available settings to what the hardware can support |
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| 12:00:23 | linuxstb | One possible complication - the hardware supports the following gains: -12db, -1db, 0db, +1db, +2db, ... (1db steps), ..+12db |
| 12:01:07 | safetydan | so... only two negative dB gains? |
| 12:01:09 | safetydan | odd |
| 12:01:43 | safetydan | but again, easy enough to support |
| 12:01:48 | LinusN | how silly |
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| 12:03:20 | linuxstb | But looking again at the datasheet, I may be wrong and it's possible it does support -11db to -2db,... |
| 12:03:53 | linuxstb | (I think they've just forgotten to list them in the table...) |
| 12:04:45 | linuxstb | So I think we can assume it can go from -12db to +12db in 1db steps. |
| 12:06:12 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just found other places in the datasheet where it confirms the EQ can gain from -12dB to +12dB in 1dB steps, so that's fine. |
| 12:06:24 | * | linuxstb will now stop talking to himself. |
| 12:07:15 | amiconn | Does the hardware eq have selectable frequencies and Q? |
| 12:08:39 | linuxstb | For bands 1 and 5, it has a selectable cut-off frequency. For bands 2, 3 and 4, it has a selectable centre frequency and two settings "narrow bandwidth" and "wide bandwidth". The frequencies are limited to a choice of 4 for each setting. |
| 12:09:04 | linuxstb | So no where near as flexible as the software EQ. |
| 12:09:42 | amiconn | Not too shabby. Now if we knew what Q values "narrow bandwidth" and "wide bandwidth" mean... |
| 12:11:32 | linuxstb | The datasheet has lots of graphs documenting how the EQ works - but I don't really undertand EQs very well. |
| 12:11:41 | linuxstb | If anyone is interested, the datasheet is here: http://www.wolfson.co.uk/products/digital_audio/codecs/WM8983/ |
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| 12:18:46 | safetydan | well given that data sheet, I could probably code something up now that would follow the limits. |
| 12:19:38 | linuxstb | Cool. If you tell me what API you need from the audio driver, it should be very quick to implement. |
| 12:21:43 | safetydan | well at the moment it just calls functions in dsp.c which then pull the eq settings from global_settings |
| 12:21:45 | JdGordon | LinusN: you around? |
| 12:21:54 | LinusN | yes |
| 12:21:57 | Jungti1234 | Does iriverzone exist in the usa? |
| 12:22:39 | JdGordon | hey, "In this particular case, I think we want to reserve the Play button for special stuff, like taking you to the WPS. " <- does that mean that you think the play button should always goto wps? even from menus? |
| 12:22:58 | linuxstb | safetydan: But dsp.c is in apps/ - firmware/ code (where the audio driver lives) can't access the global_settings struct directly. |
| 12:24:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: isn't that what people want? |
| 12:24:53 | preglow | hah, cool |
| 12:24:57 | preglow | it's got a programmable iir filter |
| 12:25:14 | linuxstb | safetydan: Seems we'll need to add the EQ settings to sound_settings_table[] in firmware/sound.c - I'm not very familiar with that code though. |
| 12:25:22 | JdGordon | LinusN: im not sure, but if thats workable then lets do it.. |
| 12:25:47 | LinusN | besides, i think it felt odd that Play could be used to select menu items |
| 12:26:15 | preglow | sounds weird indeed |
| 12:26:43 | LinusN | i think part of the consistency is that it is clear what the buttons do |
| 12:26:53 | amiconn | Well, using Play (or the equivalent) for going to the wps from the menu might be convenient, althoug it's a bit against the rockbox concept |
| 12:27:04 | amiconn | Also, what would Play do if nothing is playing? |
| 12:27:07 | LinusN | if Play can be used to select menu items, you expect Play to select songs as well |
| 12:27:16 | JdGordon | k, also, removing the clear_button_que() call, do you think that may cause any problems on the other targets? |
| 12:27:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: no |
| 12:27:38 | JdGordon | great |
| 12:27:43 | amiconn | JdGordon: Clearing the button queue is generally _bad_ anyway |
| 12:27:45 | LinusN | amiconn: nothing, i guess |
| 12:28:03 | linuxstb | Do some plugins use it though? I seem to recall seeing it. |
| 12:28:24 | amiconn | Plugins may use it occasionally, but the core should never use it imho |
| 12:28:26 | safetydan | linuxstb, I'm not sure how well this will map as I'm assuming it's easier for you to deal with a request like "set eq band 1 to frequency setting 2" rather than "set eq band 1 to frequency 300Hz" |
| 12:28:28 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes, especially those who poll the buttons |
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| 12:29:38 | linuxstb | safetydan: It doesn't make much difference - I could just use a select statement based on the frequency. |
| 12:30:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: will you be around the next hour or so? |
| 12:30:16 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, so can I add a MENU_QUIT_ALL or something define to force all menus to quit if that comes in from a callback? because atm you can only go up one level |
| 12:30:19 | linuxstb | safetydan: But it seems more logical for the frequency to be stored as one of a list of four values, rather than in Hz. |
| 12:30:20 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, probably |
| 12:30:35 | LinusN | gotta grab a bite |
| 12:30:44 | JdGordon | hehe, bon apatite |
| 12:30:49 | LinusN | cu around |
| 12:30:54 | amiconn | I think a button to completely leave the menu makes more sense than a button that goes to wps from menu |
| 12:31:07 | LinusN | amiconn: perhaps |
| 12:31:10 | * | linuxstb agrees with amiconn |
| 12:31:16 | JdGordon | amiconn: i tinhk your right, but it can be the same button... |
| 12:31:46 | linuxstb | IMO, the button to enter the menu should be the same button to "quick-exit" the menu. |
| 12:31:57 | amiconn | yup |
| 12:32:19 | JdGordon | so what do we do with the play button? or allow both to do that? |
| 12:32:54 | JdGordon | i tinhk on most targets the menu button is used in the menu settings to cancel and return to the menu, so that might not work |
| 12:34:16 | amiconn | ? |
| 12:35:10 | JdGordon | dw |
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| 12:36:16 | amiconn | (1) On many targets SETTINGS_CANCEL is not the menu button. (2) Even if it is, why would it be a problem? |
| 12:37:18 | JdGordon | ye dw, im tired and got confused |
| 12:37:19 | * | amiconn obviously likes numbering statements |
| 12:37:40 | linuxstb | 1) I would be happy to change that on the ipods - 2) e.g. PLAY may be a better choice, as 3) it's also mapped to STOP (as a long-press), which is 4) vaguely similar to "cancel"... |
| 12:38:15 | linuxstb | That would leave MENU purely for entering and leaving the menu. |
| 12:38:46 | amiconn | I have no problem with MENU being cancel on ipod, and still having MENU leave the menu |
| 12:38:56 | amiconn | Leaving the menu is also some kind of cancelling |
| 12:39:28 | linuxstb | The problem with that is that pressing MENU from within a settings screen won't quick-exit. |
| 12:39:30 | preglow | strange |
| 12:39:39 | preglow | the q factors of the peak filters seem to be around 0.5 and 0.25 |
| 12:39:49 | preglow | the latter especially sounds really useless |
| 12:39:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: No, but then settings are different from the menu anyway |
| 12:40:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: We know that, but does a user see a difference? |
| 12:40:16 | amiconn | I wouldn't expect to leave a setting _and_ the menu with one press - and it wouldn't make much sense |
| 12:40:42 | amiconn | Why would I enter the setting at all if I then cancel it and leave the whole menu? |
| 12:41:02 | linuxstb | In which case, I think MENU could do nothing in a settings screen. |
| 12:41:42 | amiconn | Imo SETTINGS_CANCEL isn't used often, SETTINGS_ACCEPT is used way more |
| 12:42:05 | safetydan | Are we going to support using the hardware eq and the software eq at the same time? |
| 12:42:07 | amiconn | ...and SETTINGS_ACCEPT also leaves the setting |
| 12:42:58 | linuxstb | safetydan: If you can build an understandable UI for it :) But the idea sounds very confusing to me... |
| 12:43:46 | amiconn | Imho this would only make sense when using the hw eq just for treble/bass, but that's also a bit against the rockbox concept |
| 12:44:15 | safetydan | linuxstb, the only way I can think of to support is another eq ui screen that's the same as the current one but says "hardware eq" instead |
| 12:44:17 | amiconn | Rockbox tries to offer the full potential of the hardware when possible (e.g. MDB on archos, etc) |
| 12:46:22 | linuxstb | safetydan: Yes, that's what I was thinking. There's no reason to force a user to only use one, even if we think it makes no sense. |
| 12:47:38 | preglow | i think both should be supported |
| 12:48:02 | linuxstb | So two settings - HW EQ on/off, and SW EQ on/off ? |
| 12:48:44 | safetydan | pretty much |
| 12:49:17 | safetydan | though how does that interact if Rockbox starts using the hw eq for treble/bass? |
| 12:50:12 | JdGordon | so everyone is happy having one button to explicitly cancel a setting change and pretty much any other button will accept the change and return to menu? |
| 12:50:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: did we say that? |
| 12:51:01 | JdGordon | didnt we? |
| 12:52:20 | JdGordon | ah i rmemeber, you liked left being cancel and others here wanted it as accept, (or it was the other way waround) ? |
| 12:52:24 | LinusN | i wouldn't expect Rec to leave the setting, for instance |
| 12:52:38 | LinusN | the other way around |
| 12:52:43 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:52:50 | LinusN | but i can learn |
| 12:52:59 | JdGordon | or we can add an option... |
| 12:53:06 | LinusN | i think it is important that it is consistent |
| 12:54:10 | JdGordon | in the menu and the settings std_ok is accept and _std_cancel is cancel , as expected, but depending on the target, accept is usually at least 2 buttons... |
| 12:54:25 | JdGordon | so i shuolndt have said any other button,.. |
| 12:54:59 | linuxstb | My proposal for ipods would be: MENU enters/leaves the menu, LEFT/RIGHT navigates up and down the hierarchy, and whilst in a settings screen, SELECT would confirm and PLAY would cancel. i.e. every button has exactly one purpose. |
| 12:55:37 | JdGordon | linuxstb: L/R naviagtes? not the wheel? |
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| 12:56:15 | JdGordon | unless heiracy you mean enter/exit menus? |
| 12:56:17 | linuxstb | L/R enters and leaves sub-menus. The wheel would still be used to scroll up and down the list. |
| 12:56:22 | JdGordon | ok, sorry |
| 12:56:44 | safetydan | linuxstb, I think the eq only needs two functions to work, wmcodec_enable_equalizer(bool) and wmcodec_set_eq(int band, int frequency, int bw) where frequency is 0..3 and bw is 0..1 |
| 12:57:01 | JdGordon | so.. what about the standard setting screen, does left cancel/accept/do nothing? |
| 12:57:19 | linuxstb | But I could also be persuaded to carry on using MENU as cancel, leaving PLAY unused (or maybe as a shortcut to WPS). |
| 12:57:21 | safetydan | linuxstb, let the user interface deal with mapping frequencies on to the available settings in the chip |
| 12:59:26 | lex | wow, replaygain did it :) |
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| 13:00:05 | markun | lex: did what? |
| 13:00:14 | JdGordon | it!! |
| 13:00:19 | lex | i hate when the s-letters whisper |
| 13:00:30 | lex | when the volume is up and using my in-ear-monitors |
| 13:00:59 | * | JdGordon doesnt like the define ACTION_STD_WPS, could it be called ACTION_STD_RETURN which would goto wps from tree, or tree/wps from menu depenign where you called the menu from? |
| 13:01:03 | lex | like "whiSHSSHSHHper" |
| 13:01:04 | linuxstb | safetydan: OK, let's start with that. Although there's no bandwidth parameter for bands 1 and 5 - just the cut-off frequency and gain. |
| 13:01:17 | lex | or "catCCHHCHHHHH" |
| 13:01:26 | markun | lex: clipping? |
| 13:01:47 | safetydan | linuxstb, yeah I was hoping the function would just ignore the bw value for band 1 and 5 |
| 13:03:47 | linuxstb | The only thing I'm not sure about is how to implement the enable/disable EQ function. The datasheet says that the DAC needs to be disabled for that setting to be changed. But I'll give it a go. |
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| 13:04:27 | linuxstb | i.e. disabling/enable the HW EQ may require playback to be stopped. |
| 13:04:47 | lex | markun: hmm :o |
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| 13:05:22 | LinusN | JdGordon: ACTION_STD_RETURN is probably not suitable, not if we want the MENU button to return as well |
| 13:05:50 | LinusN | i mean, it might not be possible to have a standard action for it |
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| 13:06:30 | JdGordon | then i think it should be called ACTION_TRRE_WPS instead, seen as it does only go [back] to the wps from the tree? |
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| 13:06:44 | safetydan | linuxstb, does it have any effect if the eq is enable but set to 0db gain across the board? maybe off can just reset things back to 0 |
| 13:08:05 | preglow | should have no effect |
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| 13:08:39 | preglow | but there's always the power issue |
| 13:08:58 | safetydan | true |
| 13:09:27 | preglow | restarting the dac might just give a minor glitch anyway |
| 13:10:24 | linuxstb | I'll try it, and see what happens. I think I would like to keep the option to completely bypass the EQ hardware, rather than setting it to 0dB. |
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| 13:12:34 | linuxstb | Although looking at the signal path, it's obviously a digital EQ, so as preglow said, it shouldn't make any difference... |
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| 13:14:04 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, and then we could add ACTION_MENU_WPS if we want to add the feature to the menu |
| 13:17:04 | preglow | linuxstb: i sincerely doubt you'll see any codec makers doing analogue filters these days, unless strictly necessary |
| 13:17:19 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, done |
| 13:19:15 | preglow | linuxstb, safetydan: as a matter of fact, based on internal precision, an eq with 0 db gain might very well alter the signal a bit |
| 13:21:09 | safetydan | well I was only thinking of it as an option if the dac restart was problematic |
| 13:22:44 | linuxstb | preglow: So it wouldn't simply do the equivalent of "if (gain==0) { do nothing }" ? |
| 13:23:04 | preglow | unless they've made a special case out of it, no |
| 13:23:07 | preglow | which i doubt they have |
| 13:23:27 | linuxstb | OK, so that reinforces my initial thoughts - disable if possible. |
| 13:23:36 | JdGordon | linuxstb: menu is cancel, select is accept, play is unused/wps? |
| 13:23:38 | preglow | and anyway, switching from +6dB gain, then to 0dB gain, then just having the codec chip cut off eq processing would give an audible glitch |
| 13:24:22 | preglow | recursive filters have transients that need to settle each time you change coefficients |
| 13:24:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Sounds OK to me. |
| 13:24:56 | JdGordon | :) |
| 13:25:22 | preglow | my guess is that it just more or less what the software eq does. in the case of 0 dB gain, all filter coefficients are still non-zero, but just end up cancling each others effects out |
| 13:26:02 | safetydan | linuxstb, are you going to expose the "3D Stereo Enhancment" function as well, since that's enabled when the eq is? |
| 13:26:10 | linuxstb | Why not... |
| 13:26:21 | linuxstb | Whatever that means. |
| 13:26:41 | linuxstb | Is that similar to the "stereo width" setting? |
| 13:27:50 | safetydan | I think so. |
| 13:27:56 | linuxstb | Ah yes, "The WM8983 has an advanced digital 3-D enhancement feature which can be used to vary the perceived stereo separation of the left and right channels" |
| 13:28:14 | safetydan | Not that I'd use it if it was there. |
| 13:28:19 | safetydan | (mostly because I don't have an iPod :) |
| 13:28:29 | Bagder | how do left + right become 3D? |
| 13:28:30 | linuxstb | No, but as amiconn said, it's nice to expose all the hardware features. |
| 13:28:44 | linuxstb | Bagder: Ask their salesmen... |
| 13:28:47 | Bagder | haha |
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| 13:31:17 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you know what the "DAC digital output limiter" is all about? |
| 13:32:37 | preglow | nope |
| 13:33:06 | preglow | Bagder: perhaps they've included head-related transfer functions for the entire population1"¤!" |
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| 13:33:35 | Bagder | very skilled people those guys! |
| 13:33:49 | preglow | haha |
| 13:33:49 | preglow | well |
| 13:33:58 | preglow | our crossfeed also qualifies as crude 3d, in a way |
| 13:34:36 | * | linuxstb wants 5.1 AC3 virtual surround-sound |
| 13:34:50 | preglow | completely doable! |
| 13:35:02 | linuxstb | I'll buy you beer. |
| 13:35:31 | petur | hahaha |
| 13:35:42 | linuxstb | petur: Triggered again? |
| 13:35:49 | petur | yeps :p |
| 13:36:02 | filR | beer trigger? |
| 13:36:57 | markun | Bagder: isn't left + right all we have anyway? |
| 13:37:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:37:16 | linuxstb | You can sense direction though. |
| 13:37:17 | Bagder | but in my world that's two dimensions |
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| 13:38:41 | markun | Bagder: is it not possible to hear if something is above or under you? |
| 13:39:00 | Bagder | with sound only from left and right? |
| 13:39:06 | Febs | Isn't "3D enhancement" usually "we screw with phasing to make your music sound like crap"? |
| 13:39:29 | petur | it is |
| 13:39:32 | markun | yes :) |
| 13:39:45 | markun | I remember it from a very old mod player I had |
| 13:39:48 | safetydan | Bagder, it's entirely possible. The shape of your ears plays a big part in determining where sounds come from. |
| 13:40:46 | safetydan | linuxstb, the DAC output limiter feature almost sounds like replaygain's prevent clipping setting |
| 13:41:24 | linuxstb | It seems more than that - similar to the dynamic range compression popular with pop music radio stations.. |
| 13:42:03 | * | dan_a shudders at the amount of compression radio stations use |
| 13:42:32 | * | petur is still looking for a good one to run on his recordings |
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| 14:08:34 | tucoz | linuxstb, preglow: Why not have support for both the sw and hw equalizers. But not at the same time. I.e. Equalizer HW/SW/OFF ? |
| 14:08:53 | linuxstb | Why limit the user? |
| 14:09:27 | tucoz | linuxtb: I wouldn't call that limiting. Who would expect to have two equalizers running at the same time on a dap? |
| 14:09:51 | linuxstb | I could imagine using the HW EQ for some bands, but if you wanted more control, use the SW eq for other bands. |
| 14:10:16 | tucoz | This is of course if the two are nearly identical. Which I don't know if they are. |
| 14:11:36 | tucoz | hmm, the processing penalty of running hw and sw is not that big. |
| 14:11:42 | tucoz | (I would assume) |
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| 14:16:37 | preglow | Bagder: it's completely doable to do real life 3d with only 2 channels |
| 14:16:48 | preglow | we only have two ears after all |
| 14:17:00 | preglow | it's just very complex and requires plenty of filters which depend on your head |
| 14:17:12 | preglow | well, not very complex, it just requires a bunch of measurements |
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| 14:20:52 | * | linuxstb offers to send his head to preglow |
| 14:21:39 | preglow | i'll just relay it to the proper measurement labs |
| 14:21:55 | linuxstb | Not something to do at home then? |
| 14:22:43 | preglow | you'd pretty much need an anechoic room, some very clever ear pickups and a motorised sound source capable of moving in a sphere around you :-) |
| 14:23:06 | linuxstb | Rules out my home at least. |
| 14:23:27 | amiconn | Reminds me of artificial head stereophony |
| 14:23:28 | preglow | in the case of your head not making too much of a fuss, i guess we could just move a speaker around over the space of a couple of days |
| 14:23:49 | amiconn | Was somewhat popular in the analog time, and didn't require special measuring equipment |
| 14:23:59 | preglow | amiconn: how does that work? |
| 14:24:53 | amiconn | The recording was done with microphones mounted into an artificial head |
| 14:25:05 | linuxstb | binaural recording? |
| 14:25:15 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:25:40 | amiconn | If your head isn't too different from the average, it works fairly well |
| 14:25:41 | linuxstb | Some live bootleggers like that - they mount the mics next to their own ears, pointing outwards. |
| 14:26:07 | petur | there are already in-ear mics for that |
| 14:26:16 | petur | look like headphones but are mics |
| 14:26:22 | preglow | amiconn: that is pretty much exactly what i'm talking about |
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| 14:26:35 | preglow | amiconn: it just approximates the hrtf to a general average head |
| 14:27:16 | linuxstb | hrtf? |
| 14:27:21 | preglow | a dummy head is far better at sitting still than, say, linuxstb is |
| 14:27:21 | preglow | heh |
| 14:27:26 | preglow | linuxstb: head-related transfer function |
| 14:27:35 | * | linuxstb just asked google... |
| 14:27:50 | preglow | it's a filter that models the effects of your head and shoulder on the incoming sound |
| 14:28:39 | petur | so he should send his shoulders too |
| 14:28:48 | preglow | ideally, he should just send his torso |
| 14:29:04 | preglow | but i don't know how his lower body would cope with the subsequent boredom |
| 14:29:09 | petur | if he sends his arm and hand too you could both have a beer :) |
| 14:29:12 | linuxstb | Sending my head was fine, but I draw the line at my torso... |
| 14:29:53 | preglow | i'm on the phone right now with one of london's finest surgeons |
| 14:30:25 | preglow | but i'll just hang up then |
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| 14:30:57 | linuxstb | preglow: When you said "completely doable!", you failed to mention these practicalities... |
| 14:31:20 | preglow | the exclamation mark clearly expresses irony |
| 14:31:54 | linuxstb | OK, then I'll wander the streets looking for someone with the same physical characteristics to me and send you his body parts. |
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| 14:32:15 | preglow | there's bound to be labs doing this kind of measurement, so i just need to code up a convolution engine |
| 14:32:22 | preglow | with luck, we might have enough cpu left to do mp3s |
| 14:32:38 | linuxstb | It's OK, I'll buy a gigabeat. |
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| 14:33:50 | Bagder | ... it seems Zune won't do playsforsure |
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| 14:34:57 | preglow | i'm practically itching to hack it and rename it playfoshizzle in rockbox |
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| 14:35:11 | * | linuxstb google Zune |
| 14:35:27 | Bagder | http://www.medialoper.com/hot-topics/music/is-zune-a-playsforsure-killer/ |
| 14:35:30 | * | petur googles playfoshizzle |
| 14:35:37 | aliask | Microsoft branded mp3 player - doesn't look that promising |
| 14:35:39 | * | linuxstb registeres playfoshizzle.com |
| 14:35:44 | compubomb | does rockbox play video ? |
| 14:35:58 | preglow | not in the way you probably mean, no |
| 14:36:03 | preglow | it does low tech video on archos units |
| 14:36:09 | compubomb | can you play xvid on rockbox ? |
| 14:36:11 | Bagder | there are several videos _of_ rockbox though! ;-P |
| 14:36:19 | markun | compubomb: no |
| 14:36:48 | markun | compubomb: do you know how to program? |
| 14:36:54 | linuxstb | Why is there so much fuss over yet another DRM-encumbered music store/player/system/whatever? |
| 14:37:03 | Bagder | because its MS |
| 14:37:36 | dan_a | When will the first "When will Rockbox run on Zune" posts appear, then? |
| 14:37:38 | linuxstb | Well, as long as CDs continue to be sold, I'm happy. |
| 14:37:44 | Bagder | and its kind of fun they introduce a new thing, not using the one they're already backing |
| 14:37:45 | compubomb | markun: uhm, i can code php, pretty damn well, but i'm still a newb with ANSI C/C++ |
| 14:38:21 | aliask | g'night all |
| 14:38:22 | markun | compubomb: you could take a look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 |
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| 14:38:29 | markun | aliask: good night |
| 14:39:49 | markun | it would be nice if people would shut up about video support after it's implemented, but we will probably only get more questions about it then |
| 14:40:13 | markun | 'can I play wmv? how about mov or real video?' |
| 14:40:34 | Jungti1234 | I want avi |
| 14:40:42 | markun | or avi.. |
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| 14:40:57 | linuxstb | "avi" covers everything though... |
| 14:41:34 | markun | linuxstb: I think many people don't know it's a container format |
| 14:42:02 | linuxstb | So what's usually in a .avi? |
| 14:42:12 | Bagder | a video! |
| 14:42:15 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 14:42:17 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 14:42:18 | linuxstb | and sound! |
| 14:43:55 | filR | 95% of the time avi will be xvid or divx with mp3 or ac3. :) |
| 14:44:03 | amiconn_ | huh? |
| 14:44:33 | petur | if you're downloading illegal movies, yes |
| 14:44:36 | amiconn_ | As linuxstb said, avi can be just about everything |
| 14:44:37 | Jungti1234 | yes. |
| 14:44:57 | filR | petur: or if you encode your own legal movies. |
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| 14:48:35 | Jungti1234 | Unified codecs... |
| 14:49:16 | Jungti1234 | unifing |
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| 15:30:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: You here? |
| 15:30:39 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 15:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: With that file, on a Nano, I get glitches at 1:00 and 1:08 exactly as described (a drop in the left channel, right channel is fine) |
| 15:31:47 | linuxstb | Weird. I must be deaf... |
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| 15:32:09 | petur | in that case, no need to send your head :) |
| 15:32:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either that, or some setting prevents it? |
| 15:32:39 | linuxstb | petur: It's still useful as a beer receptical. |
| 15:32:46 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: could you do an analysis on the file and tell me what order that particular part of the file is encoded in? |
| 15:32:53 | linuxstb | preglow: It's -8 |
| 15:33:02 | preglow | linuxstb: that doesn't exactly tell me much |
| 15:33:08 | preglow | that particular part might still be order 4 |
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| 15:33:35 | preglow | i'm just trying to find out if this is a bug in my lpc asm |
| 15:33:44 | linuxstb | preglow: I was thinking the same. |
| 15:33:51 | Mahesh | Hi every body, I am very new to Rockbox |
| 15:34:12 | * | linuxstb tries to work out how many 4608 sample frames there are in a minute of audio... |
| 15:34:19 | Mahesh | i am planning to install rockbox today |
| 15:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Should I leave it to linuxstb then, or what did you need me to do? |
| 15:34:36 | Mahesh | so will it damage my existing data on IPOD? |
| 15:34:50 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, I've got it, thanks. |
| 15:34:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 15:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mahesh: No. |
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| 15:35:09 | Mikachu | Mahesh: you'll still be able to start the original firmware at any time |
| 15:35:24 | Mahesh | thanx a lot guys |
| 15:35:28 | Mahesh | and one more doubt |
| 15:35:36 | Mahesh | can i copy songs from ipod to PC ? |
| 15:35:57 | Mikachu | songs you put on with itunes is a bit hard, but with rockbox you just copy files back and forth normally |
| 15:36:13 | Mikachu | it would be easier to remove them and recopy them if you still have them on your computer |
| 15:36:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not 100% sure I'll have internet access between now and Sunday (beyond what I get on my phone) so advanced warning that I won't be around to yell at people in the forums. ;) |
| 15:37:16 | Mahesh | so if i start rockbox firmware would i be able to access my songs which are previously on my IPOD? |
| 15:37:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, "now" being "When I leave the channel in a while" |
| 15:38:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mahesh: Yes and no. iTunes changes the names of the songs, but we have a feature called "Tagcache" that can scan your player for songs, and create a list that you can access with an Album / Artist / Genre menu. |
| 15:38:01 | dionoea_work | Mahesh: you'd be able to do that using Tagcache (which works kind of like the ipod firmware) |
| 15:38:47 | Mahesh | is it a pugin for rockbox or any other software? |
| 15:39:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's part of Rockbox |
| 15:39:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's explained further in the manual |
| 15:39:30 | Mahesh | so i dont need to worry about my current songs on ipod before installing rockbox |
| 15:39:50 | petur | a wise man keeps backups :) |
| 15:40:05 | linuxstb | preglow: The file seems to contain all orders, up to 12... Unless you want to debug another way, I'll write a quick "flac2wav" plugin we can use to check the output. |
| 15:40:17 | Mahesh | yeah i do, but this itunes is not allowing me to copy songs from ipod to PC :( |
| 15:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's odd that it seems to be just the left channel that does it. |
| 15:42:02 | Mahesh | i once used redchair software anapod which created a big mess on my IPOD and i lost all my data |
| 15:42:43 | Mahesh | it created a new database which started showing 2 files of a single song on ipod screen |
| 15:44:00 | petur | Mahesh: rockbox doesn't mess with the itunes files |
| 15:44:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mahesh: You are aware that this is not software for the PC, but rather an entire replacement firmware. |
| 15:44:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does not interact with the iPod's database. |
| 15:44:33 | dionoea_work | except that you can just remove all the ipod database crap once you've got rockbox runing :) |
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| 15:45:09 | sharpe | dionoea_work: : shhh. :-D |
| 15:45:29 | Mahesh | thats really great work guys, i wll sure donate for this software |
| 15:45:43 | dionoea_work | i wonder how many people here have an ipod and never used the apple firmware. (i did) |
| 15:46:16 | sharpe | i used it, and just have some season shows on it... |
| 15:46:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I used it for Audible format Audiobooks, briefly |
| 15:48:16 | dan_a | I use it, to listen to MP3s without any glitching... (damn my old, low spec iPod!) |
| 15:48:57 | Mahesh | can i get a less size of e-books as it is 1 GB :( |
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| 15:49:10 | Mahesh | my IPOD is 6GB |
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| 15:49:25 | preglow | linuxstb: no uniform order around the place where silence occurs? |
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| 15:51:25 | linuxstb | preglow: Nothing obvious. I've found an old flac2wav plugin I wrote, so I'm just trying that now. |
| 15:52:37 | preglow | linuxstb: might be faster to just disable the asm |
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| 15:54:11 | linuxstb | I'm decoding the file now... 170% realtime without boost, and writing to WAV at the same time. |
| 15:54:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, in other words, "FLAC is plenty fast" ;) |
| 15:55:15 | Jungti1234 | what is format in web irc option page? |
| 15:55:26 | filR | that is one of the advantages of flac compared to other lossless formats - simple and cpu unintensive decoding. that is what it says on the homepage anway. :) |
| 15:55:59 | filR | (and shown by several different tests) |
| 15:56:52 | Jungti1234 | anyone don't know? |
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| 16:07:28 | webguest34 | web irc is unicode support? |
| 16:07:41 | Bagder | why? |
| 16:07:47 | Bagder | we speak english here, without unicode |
| 16:08:00 | Jungti1234 | hehe. guest34 is me |
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| 16:08:13 | Jungti1234 | Bagder |
| 16:08:21 | Jungti1234 | what is format in web irc option page? |
| 16:08:31 | Bagder | try it and you'll see |
| 16:08:35 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 16:08:38 | Bagder | or read up in the irc client |
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| 16:09:14 | filR | unicode: äöüß |
| 16:09:37 | filR | iso latin 1: öüäß |
| 16:09:40 | Jungti1234 | oops korean |
| 16:09:41 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 16:09:50 | Jungti1234 | can't see :) |
| 16:10:00 | filR | no, just german. :) |
| 16:10:29 | Jungti1234 | I seem it by Korean and Chinese character. hehe |
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| 16:11:08 | filR | client setting i guess. but it shouldn't really matter unless you want to learn german (or korean) via irc. |
| 16:11:30 | Jungti1234 | yep |
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| 16:11:48 | preglow | linuxstb: anything? |
| 16:12:00 | Jungti1234 | ah.. format is..... irc window theme? |
| 16:12:09 | linuxstb | preglow: My flac2wav plugin is acting strange. So I'm now debugging that... |
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| 16:14:45 | Mikachu | Bagder: some english words have accents :) |
| 16:15:07 | Jungti1234 | morning mikachu |
| 16:15:16 | Mikachu | anyong haseyo |
| 16:15:54 | Jungti1234 | yea, annyeong hapnida. :) |
| 16:16:27 | linuxstb | Mikachu: You mean we've stolen a few French words? |
| 16:16:37 | Mikachu | yes |
| 16:17:12 | filR | you stole french words? watch out or someone will "zidane" you! |
| 16:17:14 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: what does that mean? |
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| 16:17:30 | Jungti1234 | annyeong haseyo is hello |
| 16:17:44 | Jungti1234 | yea, annyeong hapnida is yes, hi |
| 16:17:48 | filR | annyeong? arrested development? :) |
| 16:17:53 | Mikachu | ah |
| 16:18:08 | Jungti1234 | or yes, I'm fine. |
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| 16:38:09 | ehour | !sen dj-fu |
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| 16:51:00 | ehour | thanks |
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| 16:59:04 | preglow | linuxstb: like i said, just disabling the asm and seeing if the silence is gone is also clever |
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| 17:06:46 | goffa | did anything change with usb on the x5 since july 23rd? |
| 17:06:58 | goffa | i can only get it to mount read only now |
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| 17:08:02 | Bagder | that's not controlled by Rockbox |
| 17:08:12 | Bagder | using linux? |
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| 17:09:03 | goffa | yeah |
| 17:09:20 | goffa | wouldn't think so... but i had to ask |
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| 17:09:28 | Bagder | then check your kernel log, linux disables write-access when it finds file system errors |
| 17:09:30 | goffa | probably just going to have to do the ms fix |
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| 17:11:50 | goffa | hmm... |
| 17:11:55 | goffa | not seeing anything in there |
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| 17:14:14 | goffa | oh well.. when i get home i'll reboot and see what happens |
| 17:14:29 | goffa | i should try on windows here too |
| 17:16:02 | goffa | damn.. left the subpack at home |
| 17:16:18 | linuxstb | preglow: That would have been easier.... I can't work on it now, but I'm going to try and fix my flac2wav plugin this evening - I trust md5sum more than my ears... |
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| 17:21:33 | ManicSheep | hey there people |
| 17:21:52 | ManicSheep | i just wanna know if its posible to load doom in color on a nano? |
| 17:23:04 | linuxstb | Yes, Doom runs on the Nano. And yes, it's in colour. |
| 17:24:07 | ManicSheep | sweet |
| 17:24:12 | ManicSheep | where do i get it..? |
| 17:24:28 | ManicSheep | i checked the rockbox wiki didnt find n e thing... |
| 17:24:39 | linuxstb | You didn't find the PluginDoom page? |
| 17:24:46 | ManicSheep | hmmm |
| 17:24:50 | ManicSheep | ill check again... |
| 17:25:12 | linuxstb | Doom itself is included with Rockbox, but you need to install the WAD files - see that wiki page. |
| 17:25:29 | ManicSheep | ok thank u |
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| 17:52:02 | linuxstb | preglow: I think I can confirm a bug. In the sim, my flac2wav plugin is giving an identical WAV file to the official FLAC decoder (matching md5 checksum). On my ipod, the WAV file sounds OK, but parts of the .wav file differs. |
| 17:55:16 | amiconn | What about iriver? |
| 17:56:51 | linuxstb | I haven't tested yet, but am about to. |
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| 18:00:49 | linuxstb | preglow: I think it's the case of LPC order=1 - that appears in 4 frames (and for the left channel only). |
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| 18:14:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: Good news, the iriver decoder is perfect. So the suspect is definitely the lpc_decode_arm function. |
| 18:17:44 | preglow | for order 1? |
| 18:18:24 | preglow | that would be a more likely suspect |
| 18:23:01 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, maybe the r3 increment is missing for order1? |
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| 18:23:20 | amiconn | order2 and up use ldmia r3!, .... |
| 18:24:38 | amiconn | order1 just uses ldr |
| 18:26:23 | preglow | it is incremented at line 211 |
| 18:26:29 | * | amiconn is still not really familiar with arm asm |
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| 18:27:37 | amiconn | Does ldmia r3! preincrement or postincrement? |
| 18:27:57 | preglow | ia = increment after |
| 18:28:01 | preglow | so post |
| 18:28:11 | amiconn | k |
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| 18:29:42 | amiconn | Hmm, looking at the structure of the various loops now. Shouldn't the .loop1 label be placed one line up from where it is? |
| 18:30:20 | preglow | order 1 does look slightly different from the others to avoid a reload |
| 18:30:27 | preglow | i'm looking at it now, i just need to wake up my brain |
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| 18:31:32 | amiconn | Also, I can't see how line 211 increments r3 |
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| 18:31:51 | amiconn | The #4 is just an offset, isn't it? |
| 18:32:07 | preglow | str r2, [r3], #4 |
| 18:32:12 | preglow | it's that one, righT? |
| 18:32:26 | amiconn | Yes |
| 18:32:27 | preglow | no, offsets are [r3, #4] |
| 18:32:43 | preglow | [r3], #4 means address r3, then postincrement 4 |
| 18:32:48 | preglow | unless i'm completely asleep |
| 18:33:58 | preglow | ah |
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| 18:33:59 | preglow | i think i see it now |
| 18:34:24 | linuxstb | Should the asr be on the mul, and not the add? |
| 18:34:45 | preglow | no, i don't |
| 18:34:53 | preglow | mul doesn't take asr, and no, it shouldn't |
| 18:35:42 | amiconn | Meh, arm asm causes me a headache :/ |
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| 18:40:46 | amiconn | preglow: ldr and str [r3], #4 is post increment as well? |
| 18:41:23 | preglow | yes |
| 18:41:27 | amiconn | If so, it might be that the str operation writes to the wrong place |
| 18:41:44 | preglow | no, i don't think so |
| 18:42:06 | amiconn | In order 2 and up, you're reading n bytes with post increment, i.e. r3 points past the data you loaded |
| 18:42:06 | preglow | the whole thing is just y[n] += coef*y[n - 1], where y[n - 1] is always in r4 |
| 18:42:23 | amiconn | Ah, no |
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| 18:43:08 | preglow | in the other orders, i should also do the writing one past the locations i've loaded |
| 18:45:05 | preglow | i seriously can't see what's wrong with this :/ |
| 18:45:07 | * | preglow gets coffee |
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| 18:45:55 | preglow | it's also weird that it yields silence |
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| 18:46:43 | * | amiconn wonders how that order1 loop works with using r4 twice, but without reloading |
| 18:47:10 | preglow | the result i calculate is the sample i'd be loading the next iteration anyway |
| 18:47:24 | amiconn | Your caluclation result ends up in r2, not r4 |
| 18:47:54 | preglow | hahahah |
| 18:47:56 | preglow | no wonder this is quiet |
| 18:48:03 | preglow | i'm using the residue instead of the result |
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| 18:50:37 | preglow | using r4 as first argument in the add and str should fix it, i think |
| 18:53:14 | amiconn | Meh, why is the argument order so weird on arm? |
| 18:53:22 | preglow | i don't think it's so weird |
| 18:53:29 | preglow | it's mathematical order, more or less |
| 18:53:43 | preglow | it's less logical on x86, were you seldom have more than two operands |
| 18:53:57 | amiconn | Imho it is. It's reversed from all other asm dialects I know - but not always |
| 18:54:13 | amiconn | The store instructions use source, dest |
| 18:54:34 | preglow | ldr/str always take address last |
| 18:54:42 | preglow | but yes, it is a special case |
| 18:54:56 | preglow | x86 asm was the first asm i learnt, so i guess i'm kind of biased |
| 18:55:48 | amiconn | I don't really know x86 |
| 18:56:03 | preglow | no big loss |
| 18:56:12 | preglow | it's the most horrible language i know |
| 18:56:14 | amiconn | z80 also was dest, source - but that was a looong time ago |
| 18:56:32 | preglow | and 6502, i think |
| 18:56:35 | preglow | hmm, no, it wasn't |
| 18:56:58 | amiconn | I think the coldfire order1 loop can be sped up |
| 18:57:15 | amiconn | As it is, it does 2 loads and 1 store per iteration |
| 18:58:04 | preglow | possibly |
| 18:58:15 | preglow | linuxstb: able to test? |
| 18:58:23 | amiconn | add.l %d2, (%a0) is read-modify-write |
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| 18:58:43 | preglow | amiconn: feel free to modify it :> |
| 18:59:06 | preglow | there are ways to speed up the lpc routines more, i just haven't focused much on it |
| 18:59:09 | preglow | flac being very fast as it is |
| 18:59:53 | amiconn | Maybe I'll even do it sooner or later in order to understand it more |
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| 19:00:04 | * | amiconn s thinking about flac on SH1 |
| 19:00:25 | preglow | good luck :> |
| 19:01:14 | linuxstb | preglow: Just running it now. |
| 19:04:10 | linuxstb | Matching md5sum :) |
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| 19:04:31 | preglow | :-P |
| 19:04:36 | preglow | ok, i'll commit it then |
| 19:04:45 | preglow | with some updated comments for this special case |
| 19:04:50 | linuxstb | OK. |
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| 19:06:56 | preglow | i kept doing svn diff, wondering why it didn't work! |
| 19:07:16 | preglow | Bagder: can you tell me why it didn't work? |
| 19:07:19 | preglow | :P |
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| 19:08:11 | Mikachu | function svn() { if test -d .svn; then command svn "$@"; elif test -d CVS; then cvs "$@"; fi} |
| 19:08:53 | linuxstb | What do you do for "svn rename" ? |
| 19:09:10 | preglow | watch shit fail |
| 19:09:16 | Mikachu | get help output for cvs |
| 19:09:24 | Mikachu | :P |
| 19:09:38 | linuxstb | I think we need some kind of server-side solution... |
| 19:09:42 | Mikachu | i just have a function for svn up/cvs up |
| 19:10:05 | Mikachu | the one above was mostly a joke though |
| 19:12:21 | preglow | i'm a bit surprised order 1 is used often enough that anyone noticed this |
| 19:12:37 | amiconn | preglow: Am I right that the coefficient can have max. 15 significant bits? |
| 19:12:49 | preglow | amiconn: that's what i think i can remembert |
| 19:12:50 | amiconn | s/coefficient/coefficients/ |
| 19:12:57 | preglow | amiconn: i think the sh1 mac instruction will work |
| 19:13:15 | amiconn | sh1 mac is only 16x16->32, which might not be enough |
| 19:13:22 | preglow | i think it will be |
| 19:13:34 | amiconn | The decoded data can be >16 bits before shifting right by qlevel |
| 19:13:52 | preglow | i did a version of coldfire lpc asm once where i used the mac in 16x16 mode |
| 19:13:55 | preglow | worked just fine |
| 19:14:03 | preglow | though i didn't test it extensively |
| 19:14:13 | preglow | and then i lost the source |
| 19:14:20 | amiconn | But it should be possible to implement a 16x32->32 multiplication |
| 19:15:22 | preglow | you should instead focus your efforts on hoping you won't need one :) |
| 19:21:31 | amiconn | I think we'd want 16bit output on SH1 |
| 19:23:13 | preglow | sure |
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| 19:34:32 | mirak | hello |
| 19:36:57 | Terinjokes | hey |
| 19:37:53 | preglow | i don't get this apparent need to display every piece of info in the wps |
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| 19:38:22 | Terinjokes | is there any pages on the wiki on how to make a theme, i didn't see one |
| 19:38:56 | sharpe | preglow: eh, it's for comfort i'd imagine. |
| 19:40:40 | sharpe | i mean, are you secure in yourself not knowing what format the currently playing song is encoded in? along with it's bitrate? eh? |
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| 19:41:32 | preglow | hell no, i even start to question my sexuality in cases like that |
| 19:41:34 | Mikachu | i think we need a wps tag for the phase of the moon too, with 10 different possible bitmaps |
| 19:41:35 | preglow | i also forget my name |
| 19:41:44 | sharpe | hahah. |
| 19:42:16 | Terinjokes | can we get clouds too? |
| 19:42:19 | sharpe | i'm just not myself until i know how large the current song is... |
| 19:42:50 | sharpe | Terinjokes: not unless you have some way of getting cloud cover information, moon phase can be calculated. :-D |
| 19:43:04 | Terinjokes | ;-) |
| 19:43:34 | Terinjokes | i'm still wondering if there is a page on the wiki on how to make a theme |
| 19:44:04 | petur | sharpe: for targets with RTC |
| 19:44:11 | sharpe | indeed. |
| 19:44:32 | sharpe | but for the other ones, we can pick a random phase. |
| 19:44:39 | preglow | Slasheri: doesn't buffer_alloc automatically align by 4 now? |
| 19:45:04 | sharpe | and then just blame it on poor syncronization. and then just keep taking it further and further until they have no idea what we're talking about. |
| 19:45:13 | * | amiconn wonders why user-selected values need to be displayed in wps at all |
| 19:45:30 | sharpe | amiconn: what values...? |
| 19:45:32 | Slasheri | preglow: yep |
| 19:45:33 | preglow | amiconn: no idea |
| 19:45:55 | amiconn | I mean, why display whether crossfade is enabled? I know what features I have enabled... |
| 19:46:01 | preglow | Slasheri: amen |
| 19:46:03 | preglow | eh |
| 19:46:06 | preglow | amen |
| 19:46:15 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:46:28 | Mikachu | do you think repeat mode should also not be displayed? |
| 19:46:46 | sharpe | wouldn't it be pretty evident if it was on? :) |
| 19:47:11 | Mikachu | not if you have 20 more songs in your playlist and want to know if it will turn off or drain the battery after you fall asleep |
| 19:47:47 | amiconn | Repeat mode is probably an exception, as is volume |
| 19:48:00 | preglow | Slasheri: looks like you do it manually a place in dircache.c still |
| 19:48:35 | amiconn | Repeat mode is not easily noticeable (before it actually repeats), and volume can be set directly from within the wps |
| 19:48:47 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, i do (and in dircache also). Replacing that needs more designing as we would have to guess some default size |
| 19:48:58 | Slasheri | And freeing once buffered data wouldn't be possible |
| 19:49:02 | Mikachu | - * Copyright (C) 2002 Björn Stenberg |
| 19:49:03 | Mikachu | + * Copyright (C) 2002 Bj�n Stenberg |
| 19:49:08 | amiconn | Taking it to the extremes, we would also have tags for treble/bass/balance, EQ, etc etc |
| 19:49:11 | Mikachu | that hunk doesn't look so good |
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| 19:49:29 | Slasheri | That way there would be no more any delays on boot up, but audiobuffer would remain reduced in size when initial builds happen |
| 19:49:33 | Mikachu | 1.57 in gwps-common.c |
| 19:49:48 | petur | Mmmm <−−- |
| 19:50:30 | Slasheri | preglow: anyway, i am now thinking if i should start designing the playback buffer api. That way most of the dynamic allocation problems would be solved and playback engine hopefully would become much more stable after it has been ported to use the buffering engine api |
| 19:51:41 | Terinjokes | if i set album art in itunes, and copy the itunes tracks to my rockpod, well it display the album art |
| 19:51:44 | Terinjokes | ? |
| 19:51:54 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:52:03 | preglow | Slasheri: sounds good to me |
| 19:52:28 | Terinjokes | so, how does rockbox display the album art? |
| 19:52:45 | Mikachu | it doesn't |
| 19:52:51 | sharpe | technically, rockbox doesn't display album art. a patch is needed before it has the functionality to. |
| 19:53:18 | * | Terinjokes meant with that patch |
| 19:53:59 | sharpe | as far as i know, it reads an image in the current directory. |
| 19:54:00 | amiconn | Slasheri: Will it also make the playback engine more compact and easier understandable? |
| 19:54:31 | preglow | only lobotomy will do that |
| 19:54:41 | Slasheri | amiconn: should be, at least all buffer manipulations and pointer handlings would be handled with the buffering api |
| 19:55:16 | Slasheri | so playback engine would just need to store and retrieve data from the buffering engine |
| 19:56:00 | sharpe | woo... no longer real-time encoding... |
| 19:56:19 | sharpe | er. transcoding. |
| 19:57:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: so no more ring buffers or sturctures in the playback engine itself (even metadata could be handled by the buffering engine) |
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| 19:59:53 | mirak | as the rockbox api changed a lot recently for plugins ? |
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| 20:00:36 | mirak | Slasheri: you want to memory handling ? |
| 20:00:41 | mirak | do |
| 20:01:45 | amiconn | Sounds rather complex instead of a simplification... |
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| 20:02:22 | Slasheri | amiconn: that should simplify the playback engine itself very much and then there would be defined api how buffering happens |
| 20:02:46 | Slasheri | then buffering could be either static or dynamic, no matter how the playback engine works |
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| 20:04:17 | dionoea | 'evening |
| 20:04:53 | Bagder | eek |
| 20:05:03 | * | Bagder detects //-comments |
| 20:05:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: in future even archos could use the same buffering code.. And there could be ifdefs for selecting whether to support static or dynamic buffering |
| 20:05:43 | Slasheri | Bagder: hehe, those are my special comments for temporary debugging code, that probably needs to be removed in future |
| 20:06:03 | Slasheri | Bagder: so it's intended those //-comments would catch eye |
| 20:06:14 | Bagder | I would suggest you instead make a fat_logf() function that is ifdef'ed at the top |
| 20:06:25 | Slasheri | hmm, that sounds better |
| 20:06:45 | Bagder | often used approach in the linux kernel |
| 20:06:49 | Slasheri | but without commenting out those lines i found out it would be impossible to use the player at all :D |
| 20:07:42 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:07:56 | amiconn | Do you run a logf build for normal use?? |
| 20:08:17 | preglow | not silly at all |
| 20:08:18 | Slasheri | yes, always |
| 20:08:27 | preglow | helps debugging by heaps for those obscure bugs |
| 20:08:34 | Slasheri | that way it's easy to find out when something goes wrong |
| 20:09:09 | Slasheri | for example those rare playback engine desyncs.. when it happens, i just run logfdump and analyze the results later |
| 20:09:23 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:09:32 | * | amiconn never runs logf builds for extended times |
| 20:10:55 | * | sharpe has never run a logf build. |
| 20:12:55 | amiconn | I only used logf() 2 times for my own debugging so far. One was archos recording (logf didn't help me finding the problem), the other was iriver recording (logf was helpful but caused instability) |
| 20:13:44 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting.. i have used logf almost always to find a bug |
| 20:14:06 | Slasheri | only exceptions are crash bugs when it's possible to reproduce on simulator |
| 20:14:07 | preglow | well, the playback code is very well logfed |
| 20:14:09 | preglow | so it's not very strange |
| 20:14:18 | Slasheri | and tagcachce code as well :) |
| 20:14:24 | preglow | definitely a good thing |
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| 20:25:58 | mirak | markun: hi |
| 20:26:10 | markun | hi mirak |
| 20:26:20 | markun | did you play around with your video plugins? |
| 20:26:22 | mirak | does any dev have manifested an interest for video ? |
| 20:26:24 | mirak | markun: no |
| 20:26:36 | mirak | actually after a day of work I really don't want to code |
| 20:26:37 | markun | linuxstb has |
| 20:26:52 | mirak | in fact I can't code, that's physically impossible |
| 20:26:58 | markun | and after the gigabeat port I also want to look into video playback |
| 20:27:00 | mirak | and mentaly |
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| 20:27:39 | mirak | most of the work would be optimisation |
| 20:27:45 | mirak | as usual |
| 20:28:03 | mirak | I tried to have something non optimised that would work so people could try to improve it |
| 20:28:26 | mirak | maybe including a codec or plugin into cvs could help |
| 20:28:28 | * | preglow off |
| 20:28:45 | mirak | I mean interest some people to try to improve |
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| 20:29:33 | mirak | markun: the problem is I think the codecs would not compile now |
| 20:30:06 | markun | you can checkout an old version of rockbox, apply the patch and then cvs update |
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| 20:31:06 | falconfox | is there any way to change the speed of the scroll-wheel for the color ipod |
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| 20:33:04 | mirak | markun: I think I could never do something that look finished enough to be included in cvs tree |
| 20:33:10 | mirak | :/ |
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| 21:24:53 | * | petur swears a bit at real life |
| 21:25:32 | Terinjokes | anyone know how i can disable itunes? |
| 21:25:33 | dionoea | as long as you don't swear on IRC ... :) |
| 21:25:47 | dionoea | Terinjokes: uninstalling it might work :p |
| 21:25:59 | linuxstb | That's probably the only way. |
| 21:26:10 | Terinjokes | every time i plug the rockpod to add songs, itunes opens up and tells me it can't read the ipod |
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| 21:27:54 | obo | you can try stopping the ipod service ("ipod helper service" or something similar) |
| 21:28:19 | Terinjokes | on a mac |
| 21:28:36 | obo | hmmm, maybe not then :) |
| 21:29:30 | dionoea | Terinjokes: if it's a mac intel you can install bootcamp, install windows and then do as obo just suggested :D |
| 21:29:36 | dionoea | that might be a bit overkill though |
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| 21:30:04 | Terinjokes | ok, found an "iTunesHelper" loading at login, thats probably it |
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| 21:31:53 | Terinjokes | ok, i kill the process |
| 21:32:16 | Terinjokes | grr, itunes opened |
| 21:32:40 | BigMac | meow |
| 21:34:02 | Terinjokes | ok, kill another ituens process, let me see |
| 21:34:36 | markun | petur: trouble? |
| 21:35:11 | petur | nah... just time leaking away :/ |
| 21:35:55 | filR | you can set, in the itunes options, that itunes should not be started when connecting an ipod. (apple+, -> ipod -> start itunes when this ipod is connected) |
| 21:42:13 | Terinjokes | yes, but that tab is disabled because itunes doesn't recognise my ipod |
| 21:42:27 | Mikachu | haha |
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| 21:49:15 | Terinjokes | its not funy |
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| 21:53:41 | Terinjokes | how can i tell what was changed in daily builds |
| 21:54:12 | Terinjokes | nvm |
| 21:55:38 | BigMac | brb you guys |
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| 22:01:19 | leftright | with the replaygain tags off|track|album|shuffle surely it isnt a good idea to have another 'shuffle' indicator, wouldn't it be more appropiate to rename that to tack mode, for that is what it is, track mode if shuffled |
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| 22:05:06 | Terinjokes | i feel stupid, just can't find rockboy |
| 22:05:57 | bluebrother | Terinjokes, it's a viewer. You need to "play" a rom. |
| 22:06:38 | Terinjokes | yes, i know what it is, just i need to install it, the "viewer" isn't installed on my device |
| 22:07:00 | bluebrother | how do you know that? Is the rom file listed? |
| 22:07:19 | Terinjokes | brb |
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| 22:10:21 | Terinjokes | ok, i just set view files to all, and clicked on MARIO.GB and nothing happened |
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| 22:12:04 | bluebrother | check for /.rockbox/viewers/rockboy.rock |
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| 22:12:28 | bluebrother | if this file isn't present then your installation is missing it. |
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| 22:12:58 | Terinjokes | nope, not listed, where can i download it? |
| 22:13:10 | bluebrother | just reinstall rockbox. |
| 22:13:20 | bluebrother | it's part of the daily / cvs builds. |
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| 22:19:26 | Terinjokes | ok, i just did that, nothing |
| 22:20:05 | linuxstb | What ipod do you have? |
| 22:20:07 | petur | what target? |
| 22:20:35 | petur | let's bet rockboy isn't supported on it ;) |
| 22:20:58 | Terinjokes | how much you betting? |
| 22:21:12 | petur | 10 bytes |
| 22:21:25 | amiconn | No leffe? ;) |
| 22:21:40 | * | Terinjokes sends petur 10 bytes |
| 22:21:55 | petur | amiconn: not anymore - boycotting InBev |
| 22:22:32 | Terinjokes | so, ah, i see rockboy is video only...mean people |
| 22:22:41 | amiconn | No it's not |
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| 22:23:28 | linuxstb | Terinjokes: There's only a small number of players Rockboy doesn't work on - simply because no-one has adapted the display code for the LCD yet. |
| 22:23:39 | Mahesh | HI all i just installed rockbox |
| 22:23:44 | linuxstb | I think the Nano is one of them. |
| 22:23:48 | Terinjokes | hey mahesh! |
| 22:23:54 | Mahesh | worked well for a while, and |
| 22:23:58 | Mahesh | hi teri |
| 22:24:06 | Mahesh | my ipod mini is hanged |
| 22:24:08 | Terinjokes | yes, i might have to borrow my friend's video to play a little bit of mario... |
| 22:24:09 | Mahesh | its not responding |
| 22:24:09 | Mahesh | :( |
| 22:24:20 | Terinjokes | my name is not Teri! |
| 22:24:21 | linuxstb | cut it down then. |
| 22:24:32 | Mahesh | any body help me |
| 22:24:37 | Mahesh | its not even shutting down |
| 22:24:40 | Terinjokes | is it hanging by the headphones? |
| 22:24:41 | Mahesh | it is hung |
| 22:24:46 | Mahesh | not responding for any key |
| 22:24:51 | Terinjokes | have you tried holding menu + select |
| 22:24:58 | Terinjokes | for like 5 seconds? |
| 22:25:04 | Mahesh | i selected a mp3 file and it is hung |
| 22:25:15 | Mahesh | phewwwwwwwwwwww |
| 22:25:18 | Terinjokes | try holding menu+select |
| 22:25:23 | Mahesh | i got it rebooted |
| 22:25:32 | Mahesh | thank god |
| 22:25:50 | Terinjokes | Mahesh, a hammer would have turned it off ;-) |
| 22:25:56 | Mahesh | so for force rebooting what to do? is it menu + select? |
| 22:26:17 | Terinjokes | yes |
| 22:26:26 | Mahesh | thanx teri |
| 22:26:34 | Terinjokes | Mahesh, its terin |
| 22:26:44 | Mahesh | terin :) |
| 22:27:55 | Mahesh | deleting a folder is taking a long time and it hangs some times, any suggestions |
| 22:28:43 | Terinjokes | deleting a folder on the ipod from the computer? |
| 22:29:05 | Mahesh | nope, using file explorer in rockbox |
| 22:29:21 | linuxstb | Are you playing music at the same time? |
| 22:30:09 | Mahesh | yes |
| 22:30:22 | Terinjokes | you can delete a folder from withen rockbox? |
| 22:31:23 | Mahesh | i didnt get you |
| 22:31:30 | linuxstb | Mahesh: That will probably help explain the slowness. Rockbox doesn't have much spare CPU time when decoding music at the moment. Are you 100% sure it hangs, rather than just being extremely slow? |
| 22:32:03 | amiconn | Deleting a dir is always slow and can even appear to hang, on all targets, and also without playing music |
| 22:32:17 | amiconn | I don't know why that is, though |
| 22:32:26 | Mahesh | see i have a folder of size 1GB i tried delteing that folder using rockbox file explorer |
| 22:32:36 | linuxstb | Not a good idea... |
| 22:32:45 | Mahesh | then it says folder movies is deleted and not responds for a while |
| 22:32:50 | amiconn | It depends on the number of files and subdirs, not the size of the folder |
| 22:33:03 | Mahesh | ok thanx a lot guys |
| 22:33:33 | Mahesh | i started liking rockbox a lot, really amazing |
| 22:33:56 | * | linuxstb had to reformat his hard drive after attempting to delete the 32,000 file HVSC on his H140... |
| 22:33:57 | | Part jaczehack |
| 22:34:09 | amiconn | huh? |
| 22:34:27 | linuxstb | The battery ran out, and there was no way to abort it. So the disk ended up corrupted. |
| 22:35:07 | linuxstb | Reverse the order of my first sentence - I couldn't abort, and then the battery ran out... |
| 22:35:25 | amiconn | Plugging the charger would have been an option.. |
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| 22:36:03 | Mahesh | guys, another doubt |
| 22:36:18 | linuxstb | I didn't have it with me. But it wasn't a problem - I have all my music on my computer anyway, so just recopied. |
| 22:36:28 | * | amiconn is curious how long deleting a 32000-file folder would take |
| 22:36:29 | Mahesh | can i copy itunes files as normal files to ipod root folder and can browse? |
| 22:36:52 | * | amiconn should perform a series of tests |
| 22:36:56 | linuxstb | I think it took about 80 minutes before the battery died. |
| 22:37:17 | amiconn | I'd like to know why it takes so extremely long |
| 22:37:29 | linuxstb | Although thinking about it, it may have been an ipod, rather than my h140. Not that it would make much difference. |
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| 22:37:50 | Mikachu | maybe you update the whole fat on disk after every file |
| 22:38:09 | amiconn | Surely not |
| 22:38:24 | amiconn | The FAT is way too large to be cached as a whole |
| 22:38:25 | Mikachu | i know you can make linux do that by mounting with -o sync, and it is indeed very slow |
| 22:38:38 | amiconn | Only a few sectors are cached |
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| 23:10:13 | Vasu | hi all |
| 23:10:24 | Vasu | I have an urgent question |
| 23:11:05 | Vasu | how can I boot the original apple firmware on an Ipod video (5g) after installing rockbox? |
| 23:11:09 | Mahesh | yes vasu |
| 23:11:27 | Mahesh | you can use bootloader or uninstall rockbox |
| 23:11:50 | Mahesh | http://ipodlinux.org/Downloads |
| 23:12:07 | Bagder | the rockbox bootloader can load apple OS too |
| 23:12:56 | Vasu | where to get it? |
| 23:12:56 | Bagder | its just a matter of pressing the right key at start |
| 23:13:04 | Vasu | that is? |
| 23:13:11 | Bagder | you already have rockbox installed, right? |
| 23:13:14 | Vasu | yeah |
| 23:13:22 | Bagder | so you have it installed |
| 23:13:27 | Vasu | yeah |
| 23:13:32 | Vasu | and how to use it? |
| 23:13:39 | Bagder | I don't know what key it is |
| 23:13:41 | Vasu | there's nothing about it in the manual |
| 23:13:45 | Vasu | lo, |
| 23:13:46 | Vasu | lol |
| 23:13:49 | Mikachu | menu |
| 23:13:55 | Vasu | where |
| 23:13:56 | Mikachu | before you see the apple |
| 23:14:09 | Vasu | there istn such a menue |
| 23:14:15 | Mikachu | the button MENU |
| 23:14:41 | linuxstb | Vasu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
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| 23:15:26 | Vasu | thanks alot |
| 23:15:38 | Vasu | is there any colourvideo player out by now? |
| 23:15:47 | linuxstb | I believe Apple have one... |
| 23:16:00 | Vasu | :D |
| 23:16:01 | Bagder | colourvideo player? |
| 23:16:16 | Vasu | yeah I know theres one in black and white for rockbox |
| 23:16:22 | Nibbler | new ipod, it roxx |
| 23:16:25 | * | amiconn feels somewhat silly for committing several single-line changes in sequence :/ |
| 23:16:25 | Nibbler | for video |
| 23:16:33 | Vasu | it is a new ipod |
| 23:16:48 | * | petur checks the sillyness |
| 23:16:49 | Vasu | but the its limited to the apple file version |
| 23:16:55 | Vasu | when it comes to videos |
| 23:16:59 | Vasu | but thanks alot |
| 23:17:05 | Vasu | now Ill isntall counterstrike on it hehe |
| 23:23:32 | Bagder | mips assembler is weirder than most |
| 23:23:55 | Bagder | just in case anyone was wondering ;-) |
| 23:26:45 | * | amiconn wonders how any asm can be weirder than x86 - judging from the little bit I've seen |
| 23:27:31 | Galois | have you tried IA-64 ??? |
| 23:27:32 | Bagder | to tell the truth, I've not really used x86 asm since the 80s |
| 23:27:56 | Bagder | but I'm having a mips right here and it is weird |
| 23:28:37 | amiconn | Galois: Nope. In fact I don't know too many asm dialects |
| 23:29:53 | amiconn | Just SH1, m68k, z80 and very little x86 (reading only, never wrote sth myself) |
| 23:29:57 | Galois | well, I think IA-64 is the most warped assembly language |
| 23:29:59 | amiconn | And I need to learn arm |
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| 23:40:49 | dionoea | do bitmaps need to have a multiple of 8 width ? (bitmaps converted at compile time) |
| 23:41:46 | Vasu | does anyone have experience with counterstrike through doom? |
| 23:42:06 | Bagder | counterstrike is not doom-based |
| 23:42:16 | Bagder | dionoea: I don't think so |
| 23:42:43 | dionoea | Bagder: yeah ... i had the stride wrong when using the part bitmap thing which messed it up :) |
| 23:43:06 | linuxstb | Is there any way to undo the chaos caused by a "cvs update" with conflicts? |
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| 23:43:25 | dionoea | you should have .mine files |
| 23:43:33 | dionoea | with your old version |
| 23:43:41 | Bagder | ... you you use svn |
| 23:43:43 | Bagder | if you |
| 23:43:53 | Mikachu | how would you do it with svn? |
| 23:44:37 | linuxstb | how would you do it with cvs? |
| 23:44:39 | dionoea | grep "<<<<" and fix what's wrong :) |
| 23:44:48 | Bagder | linuxstb: I don't think you can do it without manual editing |
| 23:44:55 | Bagder | well |
| 23:45:03 | Bagder | you can of course script it |
| 23:45:03 | Mikachu | there is surely some editors that let you jump to the conflict points easily |
| 23:45:10 | Mikachu | + grammar |
| 23:45:22 | dionoea | tortoisesvn on windows does that |
| 23:45:26 | dionoea | i don't know on linux |
| 23:45:33 | dionoea | maybe you can tweak vim/emacs to do that |
| 23:45:33 | Bagder | <<<< [keep this] ==== [cut this] <<<<< |
| 23:46:08 | Mikachu | the second <<<<< is >>>>> |
| 23:46:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: There is nothing where you've typed [keep this] |
| 23:46:36 | Mikachu | the first part is what you had before, and the second part is what's in cvs |
| 23:55:47 | sharpe | it's very humid outside... |
| 23:56:00 | linuxstb | The British summer has returned - cold and wet :) |
| 23:56:10 | * | linuxstb is happy again |
| 23:56:17 | sharpe | i would prefer that over hot and humid. |
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| 23:57:09 | sharpe | the funny thing is, it's apparently so dangerous here for hot and humid weather there has been a warning issued. |
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