| 00:00:04 | * | Doomed needs a 60gb ipod 5g |
| 00:00:15 | Alladin | but it looks medium good :-/ |
| 00:01:18 | freqmod | allading: ohh, what do you mean by that, is it the default theme which is boring? |
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| 00:01:59 | Davide-NYC | Question: Can a patch be applied to a build? |
| 00:02:06 | Davide-NYC | 9using cygwin) |
| 00:02:17 | Davide-NYC | *(using cygwin) |
| 00:02:19 | freqmod | you'll have to build rockbox from source to apply patches |
| 00:02:20 | Alladin | yea a bit boring |
| 00:02:40 | Davide-NYC | there is no way to apply a patch to a pre-compiled build? |
| 00:02:59 | freqmod | no, alladin: look here http://www.rockbox.org:80/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
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| 00:04:26 | Bagder | Davide-NYC: no |
| 00:04:34 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 00:04:38 | * | amiconn is watching JPEGs on his mini2g |
| 00:05:41 | * | freqmod wonders how interesting gray jpg's are. |
| 00:06:30 | Alladin | nice!.. thanks for everything now i need some sleep adios |
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| 00:08:59 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm assuming from your comments earlier that it's not as good as the iriver/archos LCDs though? |
| 00:09:15 | amiconn | Yes, unfortunately |
| 00:09:34 | amiconn | It would be better if we could use the full frame frequency |
| 00:10:22 | amiconn | But we only achieve 60fps and would need 88fps to reach it :( |
| 00:12:52 | amiconn | Now I need to fix unbuffered scrolling, then it's ready for a first commit. Then screenshot won't work properly yet, and scrolling and updating will be slower than it could be |
| 00:13:41 | amiconn | I cheated a little and implemented C versions of these routines, to avoid fiddling with arm asm before knowing it will work... |
| 00:15:23 | * | freqmod downloads a 10 hours librivox audiobook to compress it to ~100 mb speex. |
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| 00:16:18 | barrywardell | is there any reason why the simulator patch for mac os x isn't in the tracker or even better in CVS? |
| 00:16:26 | barrywardell | I could only find it in the wiki |
| 00:16:39 | linuxstb_ | I never knew such a patch existed... |
| 00:16:51 | barrywardell | at the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 00:16:59 | linuxstb_ | Weird... |
| 00:17:03 | barrywardell | i can't build the sim on mac without it |
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| 00:18:03 | * | amiconn has a weird idea |
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| 00:18:12 | amiconn | Interlaced update may reduce flicker |
| 00:18:36 | linuxstb_ | Interesting idea... |
| 00:18:56 | Doomed | eh wtf |
| 00:19:43 | amiconn | The problem is that every frame is shown twice, so the patterns show the same pixel value twice in a row, irrespective of the actual pattern |
| 00:20:14 | amiconn | E.g. if the pattern is 1010 (depth == 4), the pixel will go 11001100 |
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| 00:20:29 | Doomed | ughhh wtf i cant make this build of the optimized H120 |
| 00:21:02 | amiconn | If the adjacent pixel (possible only line-wise, i.e. vertical neighbour) would go 0110110, it should flicker less |
| 00:21:34 | amiconn | That'll require a special leet version of lcd_blit() though |
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| 00:23:54 | goffa | <- can't wait to get home to try MMMM's build on my h140 |
| 00:24:00 | goffa | and then attempt to patch my x5 |
| 00:25:01 | * | Doomed wanted to combine Mmmm with pilot0 build |
| 00:28:56 | goffa | what's pilot0's build do? |
| 00:29:31 | Doomed | ill give u a link |
| 00:29:38 | Doomed | http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/remartinelli/html/rockbox.html |
| 00:30:24 | goffa | lots of stuff |
| 00:30:54 | Doomed | yeah i really like the build |
| 00:31:08 | Doomed | cept i cant update it to the latest cvs idk y |
| 00:31:20 | goffa | yeah |
| 00:31:46 | goffa | i like the left to wps from root idea too |
| 00:31:52 | goffa | the iaudio was that way with of |
| 00:31:53 | Doomed | me 2 |
| 00:31:59 | goffa | really handy |
| 00:32:02 | Doomed | iriver firmware does that |
| 00:32:19 | goffa | yeah.. i never tried the iaudio firmware long enough |
| 00:32:41 | goffa | bought my h140 with the intention of installing rockbox |
| 00:32:48 | goffa | probably should have looked at it at least |
| 00:33:03 | Doomed | eh rockbox is much better |
| 00:33:25 | Doomed | i want a H140 :(....need more space |
| 00:33:56 | Doomed | brb |
| 00:33:56 | goffa | yeah... i've settled on having multiple players |
| 00:34:05 | Doomed | i filled my 20 gb |
| 00:34:09 | goffa | they are smaller than cd cases |
| 00:34:35 | goffa | i have a 30gb x5l and a h140... thinking of getting a gigabeat when it gets developed.. h140's are getting scarce |
| 00:35:26 | safetydan | If a patch on the tracker covers functionality that has since be implemented a different way, should you close it as rejected or out of date? |
| 00:35:55 | Bagder | roll a dice and pick! |
| 00:35:59 | goffa | probably out of date |
| 00:36:07 | goffa | since its obsolete |
| 00:36:11 | goffa | but what do i know |
| 00:36:24 | * | safetydan rolls 1d6 |
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| 00:37:12 | goffa | guess its... um.. flip a coin |
| 00:37:15 | goffa | :) |
| 00:39:36 | safetydan | "Out of date" it is |
| 00:40:50 | markun | goffa: the gigabeat F and X series are also out of production I think. But you can still buy them. |
| 00:41:00 | goffa | yeah |
| 00:41:10 | goffa | that's why i was looking at them |
| 00:41:17 | goffa | they are still reasonably priced on ebay |
| 00:41:24 | goffa | saw an f i think for $140 |
| 00:41:28 | goffa | 40gb |
| 00:41:34 | markun | not bad |
| 00:41:37 | goffa | yeah |
| 00:41:44 | goffa | pretty cheap.. my H140 was $200 |
| 00:42:24 | markun | my F40 was EUR 190 |
| 00:42:55 | goffa | i kinda wonder how tough is the screen on the gigabeat? |
| 00:43:18 | goffa | i like the small screen on my h140 and x5... x5 had to go to the factory because i cracked the lcd once.. |
| 00:44:36 | goffa | not that i'm tough on equipment.. but these players go EVERYWHERE with me |
| 00:44:45 | goffa | one of them anyway |
| 00:45:18 | secleinteer | hi, i was listening to music using today's build for the ipod photo, and for no apparent reason, the music stopped and i got a wierd screen with "Data abort at 0004C220" |
| 00:45:39 | secleinteer | i wasn't browsing or anything, just had music playing |
| 00:46:18 | secleinteer | any ideas as to how i can fix this? |
| 00:46:28 | goffa | reboot? |
| 00:46:32 | secleinteer | yeah i know that |
| 00:46:34 | goffa | i think hold and select |
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| 00:46:38 | goffa | shuts it off |
| 00:46:39 | secleinteer | it's already happend a few times |
| 00:46:54 | secleinteer | i just wanted to let the devs know |
| 00:46:54 | goffa | ok |
| 00:47:10 | secleinteer | everything was working fine with the build released on the 29th |
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| 00:49:18 | secleinteer | btw the song's an 273 Kbps mp3, if that matters |
| 00:49:25 | secleinteer | i have peak meters and all that stuff turned off |
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| 01:06:02 | safetydan | Is there a decent free C IDE for Linux? I've been using vim to date. I'd use Eclipse CDT (since I use Eclipse normally at work), but I don't really have the ram for it. |
| 01:06:12 | xorAxAx | hmm, how can i enable the peak meter? |
| 01:06:22 | xorAxAx | i see the config menus but not the meter itself :) |
| 01:06:32 | safetydan | xorAxAx, pick a WPS that has the peak meters on it |
| 01:06:40 | xorAxAx | ah |
| 01:06:57 | xorAxAx | is there such in the cvs snapshot? |
| 01:07:15 | safetydan | the default one has peakmeters I think |
| 01:07:38 | xorAxAx | indeed |
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| 01:36:08 | jcdenton | hey does anyone know if rockbox will work with my alpine HU?? |
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| 02:08:09 | Doomed | no |
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| 02:22:16 | Terinjokes | can i put an port idea out here? |
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| 02:23:13 | Terinjokes | I think there should be a rockbox zune port |
| 02:24:02 | Doomed | it will only even get a chance if a dev has the device |
| 02:24:37 | Terinjokes | well, i was just thinking, it would take something like rockbox to get the system usible |
| 02:25:08 | Doomed | windows on it?> |
| 02:25:31 | Terinjokes | well microsoft is *already* taking out features |
| 02:26:52 | Doomed | is it the new microsoft ipod killer |
| 02:27:39 | Terinjokes | yes |
| 02:27:48 | Doomed | its not out yet so |
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| 02:28:06 | Terinjokes | yes, i was being slightly sarcastic |
| 02:28:14 | Doomed | LOL its the top article on digg |
| 02:28:25 | TCK | anyone experienced with ATA errors here? |
| 02:28:29 | Doomed | newest* |
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| 02:29:04 | Terinjokes | yes, Doomed, I have Digg Updater |
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| 02:31:29 | Doomed | lol u see the server rooms? |
| 02:31:35 | Doomed | messy networks |
| 02:33:24 | Terinjokes | who? |
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| 02:33:51 | Doomed | is K Rose really worth 60 million now? |
| 02:35:21 | Terinjokes | dunno, never meet KR is real life, though i had a really interesting dream |
| 02:36:35 | Doomed | lol he seems like a down to earth guy |
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| 02:38:07 | Terinjokes | yeah, he was in my dream |
| 02:39:21 | piroko | are the ipod 4g programmers aware of a freezing bug while running at least sid files? |
| 02:40:18 | Doomed | Terinjokes did u read the business week story |
| 02:40:44 | Terinjokes | no, i saw it, but i was busy atm...i'm sure kevin dugg it.... |
| 02:41:16 | Doomed | actually he didnt |
| 02:41:24 | Doomed | dan huard did |
| 02:42:24 | Terinjokes | yes, i just realised that he didn't digg it... |
| 02:43:17 | Terinjokes | hold on, found a video |
| 02:44:00 | Doomed | damn man to think of it he has become more classy |
| 02:44:10 | Terinjokes | that a look at this http://digg.com/videos_comedy/TSS_Kevin_recommends_Slashdot_Video |
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| 02:54:59 | Doomed | kk |
| 02:55:10 | Mongey|clean | Alrite Marko |
| 02:55:20 | Walsho | yo |
| 02:55:54 | Doomed | damn i rembmer those days lol |
| 02:56:54 | Terinjokes | ah, thats who Dan Huard is! Now i remember the name! |
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| 02:58:23 | Terinjokes | server spilt didn't it? |
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| 02:59:34 | Doomed | did u see leo's idea for techtv reunion? |
| 02:59:38 | Doomed | i hope they do tho |
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| 03:00:54 | Terinjokes | yeah, that was the same day i had my *strange* dream |
| 03:02:57 | Doomed | haha |
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| 03:04:06 | Terinjokes | no, i just confirmed it, Kevin does not in fact have 60 million |
| 03:04:28 | Doomed | whats he got |
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| 03:04:44 | Doomed | hes got some thing big cuz he dont work a normal person job |
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| 03:05:14 | Terinjokes | well, lets see, he was loaned $5 the other day so he could eat |
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| 03:07:36 | Doomed | haha u lie |
| 03:07:44 | Terinjokes | sorry about that |
| 03:07:46 | Terinjokes | i lie? what do you mean? |
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| 03:08:33 | Doomed | where did u find the $5 thing lol |
| 03:09:16 | Terinjokes | Dan told me |
| 03:10:40 | Doomed | lol ok |
| 03:11:50 | Terinjokes | or rather commented |
| 03:15:56 | Doomed | lol |
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| 03:24:56 | Terinjokes | Kevin is one of those people that i can understand |
| 03:29:40 | * | Terinjokes wants the pizza to cook faster! |
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| 03:37:50 | infamis | anybody use an ide with the source? I asked this before and everybody went off on a huge tangent |
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| 03:40:49 | Terinjokes | hey doomed! |
| 03:40:54 | Doomed | hello |
| 03:41:15 | Doomed | i dont want rain |
| 03:41:24 | Terinjokes | i'm wondering what i should do with some of my old pdas |
| 03:41:33 | Doomed | idk color screen? |
| 03:41:44 | Terinjokes | yes |
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| 03:42:05 | Doomed | o0o0o |
| 03:42:10 | Terinjokes | er...some of theme |
| 03:43:20 | Doomed | hmm |
| 03:43:43 | Terinjokes | i've been trying to think of what to do with them for a couple months now |
| 03:43:51 | Doomed | what kind |
| 03:44:16 | Terinjokes | palm |
| 03:44:29 | Doomed | o0o |
| 03:46:29 | Terinjokes | one possiblity comes to mine, make one of those "leaked" pictures of Microsoft Zune |
| 03:46:47 | Doomed | lol |
| 03:49:54 | Terinjokes | it wouldn't be too hard to make an interface, and it simply be a picture shown on the screen |
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| 03:53:46 | Terinjokes | sorry about that, i kinda got to go, doomed, you have a digg username? |
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| 04:16:10 | infamis | anybody know a good ide with source-navigation that works well with rb? |
| 04:29:10 | ^jhMikeS^ | When adding a new options menu item and a new string, do I have to place the new string in every lang file or does is default to english if a string in the current language doesn't exist? |
| 04:29:56 | infamis | whuddaya know, vc express gets the jbo done |
| 04:30:06 | JdGordon | ^jhMikeS^: just english.lang |
| 04:30:27 | ^jhMikeS^ | JdGordon: Ok, thanks. |
| 04:43:45 | infamis | what is DEADBEEF? |
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| 04:46:17 | Mikachu | why do you ask? |
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| 04:52:50 | dan_a | infamis: It's a special string used for detecting stack overflows. |
| 04:54:08 | Mikachu | a number actually |
| 04:54:27 | Mikachu | it's less exciting in base 10, 3735928559 :) |
| 04:55:15 | infamis | just going through the source, and don't see it used anywhere, only declared |
| 04:56:09 | Mikachu | ./crt0.S: /* Set up some stack and munge it with 0xdeadbeef */ |
| 04:56:09 | Mikachu | ./crt0.S: ldr r4, =0xdeadbeef |
| 04:56:12 | Mikachu | ./thread.c:#define DEADBEEF ((unsigned int)0xdeadbeef) |
| 04:56:12 | Mikachu | ./thread.c: if(stackptr[0] != DEADBEEF) |
| 04:57:33 | infamis | hmm...damn vc express |
| 04:57:39 | infamis | *vs |
| 04:58:53 | infamis | what makes the number deadbeef special, or is it just programmers trying to be funny? |
| 04:59:44 | infamis | why not DEDBABEE or something else? |
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| 05:01:04 | dan_a | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0xDEADBEEF |
| 05:01:06 | Mikachu | it's a very old joke |
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| 05:03:04 | infamis | ...which I'm making a big-ass deal over, huh? lol |
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| 05:06:24 | infamis | asm(" move.l %d0,0x10017ffc"); |
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| 05:07:40 | infamis | ...in start_firmware()...why is this address significant to throw the value 0 into it? |
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| 05:37:49 | safetydan | infamis, have a look at firmware/crt0.S |
| 05:38:21 | safetydan | I'm not sure why that memory address is used, but it's easy enough to figure out what it's used for |
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| 05:59:03 | infamis | safetydan, thanks; so I guess the bootloader throws value X into address Y, and if we successfully got to start_firmware(), then the we got a good startup & it sets the contents of Y to 0, which let's the bootloader know that we got all the way through? |
| 05:59:30 | safetydan | that's my guess too... bootloader is not really my area of expertise though |
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| 06:00:05 | infamis | I'm trying to learn rb from front to back ;) |
| 06:00:44 | Mikachu | that doesn't sound right to me, if we are loaded correctly, why would we care what the bootloader thinks? |
| 06:02:10 | safetydan | failsafe I guess |
| 06:02:19 | safetydan | if rockbox can't boot, boot to the original firmware |
| 06:03:01 | Mikachu | hm, i see |
| 06:03:14 | infamis | bootloader seems to be the only place that actually reads from 10017ffc; everything else is a write |
| 06:03:14 | Mikachu | i didn't look at the code before speaking :) |
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| 06:05:22 | infamis | "The cookie is not reset. This must mean that the boot loader has crashed. Let's start the original firmware immediately." ..... 'jmp 8' |
| 06:05:51 | Mikachu | ah right, it's the cookie address |
| 06:06:22 | Mikachu | it persists across reboots |
| 06:08:04 | infamis | that makes sense now |
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| 06:22:06 | infamis | is this correct: when you first boot up, crt0.s runs, sets up os stuff, then calls bootloader/main.c:main(), which then calls all the different inits(), loads the firmware (the rockbox.[target] file) which takes you to apps/main.c:main()? |
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| 08:38:22 | Bagder | horray, another UPS sending... |
| 08:38:47 | JdGordon | oooohhhhh... whatcha getting this time? |
| 08:38:54 | amiconn | Is horray any different from hooray? ;) |
| 08:39:07 | Bagder | JdGordon: a sansa "dev board" |
| 08:39:19 | markun | Bagder: that was fast |
| 08:39:20 | JdGordon | nice |
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| 08:44:15 | Bagder | at least this time I work from home so it should be a lot easier to get the package |
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| 08:49:09 | * | Bagder noticed misticriver how features two rockbox threads in the h10 forum |
| 08:49:14 | Bagder | s/how/now |
| 08:49:48 | Slasheri | Bagder: hi, btw could you give me access to close tasks in flyspray? (username miipekk) |
| 08:50:43 | Bagder | done! |
| 08:52:19 | Slasheri | thanks :) |
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| 09:07:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Wait, you have the Sansa board? |
| 09:07:19 | Bagder | not yet, UPS package is on its way |
| 09:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or has it just been sent? |
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| 09:41:30 | jn | hey, is there support for video playback for rb-ipod-video ? |
| 09:42:19 | petur | no |
| 09:42:45 | jn | any work being done for it? |
| 09:43:18 | petur | there's been some work and a patch but not usable iirc (1 fps or so) |
| 09:43:33 | petur | check the tracker |
| 09:43:37 | jn | link? |
| 09:43:46 | petur | search? |
| 09:43:58 | jn | i have. |
| 09:44:42 | midkay | there's an xvid and mpeg-4 decoder i think (seperate patches) which both don't really do much as i understand it, and only decode at like 1fps as petur said.. |
| 09:44:53 | midkay | those are *months* old also. don't expect video playback soon. |
| 09:45:46 | jn | is there anyway i can help? |
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| 09:46:14 | midkay | only if you know C or asm and something about video decoding :) |
| 09:47:37 | petur | jn: tracker -> categories -> video |
| 09:47:38 | jn | ic.. so in the meantime using the apple os would be my best bet for video, do you happen to know a good way to copy video to the ipod (Apple fw) from linux all the methods ive found have been poor at best |
| 09:48:06 | midkay | haven't done anything from linux for it, i use videora for windows.. |
| 09:49:37 | jn | ill use wine and videoro then i guess :) |
| 09:49:52 | jn | i just got a 5g today :o |
| 09:50:53 | midkay | nice, that's the best i've found; might need to google for "videora audio sync" to learn how to fix any audio sync problems. it's "videora" btw. |
| 09:50:54 | midkay | :) |
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| 09:54:42 | jn | -async 1 :) |
| 09:55:10 | midkay | precisely. :) and set FPS to 29.97. |
| 09:56:38 | * | midkay is headed to bed. |
| 09:56:39 | midkay | night all. |
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| 10:24:13 | amiconn | dan_a: Is the user timer implemented & working for g3? |
| 10:25:12 | Bagder | bluebrother: nice work on closing flyspray entries |
| 10:25:48 | bluebrother | Bagder, thanks. I have a bit free time this morning as my computer at work broke down :( |
| 10:26:22 | dan_a | amiconn: I don't know - is that TIMER2? If so I think it's untested. |
| 10:26:46 | preglow | untested, afaik |
| 10:26:57 | preglow | i don't think my code will work for 3g |
| 10:27:17 | dan_a | preglow: which code is that? |
| 10:27:21 | bluebrother | strange, I thought the zezayer rwps was commited. |
| 10:27:34 | bluebrother | but I think it should get reworked. |
| 10:27:47 | amiconn | dan_a: firmware/timer.c |
| 10:28:04 | amiconn | Seems like it is implemented for pp5002 |
| 10:28:18 | bluebrother | Bagder, different question: how about adding the scrolling margins? It has been discussed before the freeze ... |
| 10:28:34 | Bagder | dan_a: there seems to be a flaw in your crt0.S commit from yday |
| 10:28:38 | amiconn | We don't want scrolling margins. We want viewports |
| 10:29:00 | dan_a | Bagder: Not another one! Where is it? |
| 10:29:10 | dan_a | (or what is it?) |
| 10:29:11 | Bagder | hang on, checking... |
| 10:29:40 | Bagder | on line 337 |
| 10:29:44 | Bagder | you check for PP |
| 10:29:58 | Bagder | then you have an #else at 350 |
| 10:30:09 | Bagder | and below the else, there are checks for PP models |
| 10:30:21 | Bagder | even though that code will never be used on PP machines |
| 10:31:19 | bluebrother | amiconn, sure. But what is against using scrolling margins for now? Viewports will change the wps pretty heavy. |
| 10:31:22 | dan_a | Bagder: Ah. That should have been taken out - it's from the first version of the patch where I had #define USE_COP to say whether we'd even compile the COP stuff or not |
| 10:31:42 | Bagder | dan_a: yeah, I thought it looked like that |
| 10:32:08 | linuxstb | dan_a: Unless I'm going mad, line 47 contains #ifdef CPU_PP, and so does line 88 - but there's no #endif between the two. |
| 10:32:27 | amiconn | dan_a: You can test whether the timer works by running the metronome plugin. It uses the timer |
| 10:32:44 | amiconn | You will need a working timer for the grayscale lib :) |
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| 10:35:32 | dan_a | linuxstb: Again, it's the same thing - I pretty much swapped "#ifdef USE_COP" for "#ifdef CPU_PP" - I'll do a cleanup commit later today or tomorrow - not rushing it this time! - to get rid of the crud |
| 10:36:19 | dan_a | amiconn: From memory, the metronome runs. Unfortunately I don't have a working Rockbox on my ipod at the moment |
| 10:41:42 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I don't like the idea of temporarily introducing scrolling margins (with its own syntax), and then later breaking all WPSs when we introduce viewports (and remove scrolling margins). |
| 10:42:08 | bluebrother | won't viewports break all wps anyway? |
| 10:42:14 | Bagder | and I don't think viewports need to break existing wpses |
| 10:42:33 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 10:42:34 | Bagder | it'll just make them use one huge fullscreen viewport by default |
| 10:42:56 | bluebrother | I thought they would necessarily break. |
| 10:43:03 | * | linuxstb agrees with Bagder - viewports won't affect existing WPSs at all. |
| 10:43:29 | bluebrother | this changes the prerequisites a bit ;-) |
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| 10:50:04 | linuxstb | Bagder: (and others) What do you think about spliting up crt0.S into crt0-sh1.S, crt0-coldfire.S and crt0-arm.S ? There doesn't seem to be anytthing shared between the three... |
| 10:50:16 | Bagder | very sensible I think |
| 10:50:40 | Bagder | could probably even be in target/[arm|sh|...]/ |
| 10:50:43 | dan_a | Makes sense to me |
| 10:50:52 | amiconn | Bagder: definitely |
| 10:51:24 | Bagder | I mean, when we change things we can just as well move towards the target_tree approach |
| 10:51:47 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:52:12 | amiconn | Ideally, all target specific firmware code will be moved there one day |
| 10:52:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:52:47 | amiconn | This can even be done file by file, no need to move everything for a target at once |
| 10:53:20 | amiconn | This will at most cause very few extra #ifdefs temporarily |
| 10:53:32 | Slasheri | Hmm, just wondering if i should try reflashing the bootloader to h140.. just implemented flashed rockbox detection, so if rockbox firmware is found from flash, load it. Unless record button has been pressed, then load from disk |
| 10:54:02 | amiconn | Yay! Flashed rockbox :-) |
| 10:54:18 | safetydan | How much boot time does it save? |
| 10:54:57 | Slasheri | safetydan: a few seconds, and rockbox logo is displayed immediately :) |
| 10:55:43 | linuxstb | I assume there isn't room for both Rockbox and the original firmware in flash? |
| 10:55:48 | safetydan | cool |
| 10:56:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb: nope, original fw takes almost all space from the flash |
| 10:56:40 | linuxstb | Any idea if the OF copies itself to RAM, or if it runs from flash? |
| 10:57:14 | amiconn | Afaik it copies itself to ram, splitting itself into several parts |
| 10:59:14 | linuxstb | But anyway, I'ld be very happy to completely get rid of the original firmware. |
| 10:59:27 | Slasheri | but with this modified bootloader with flashed rockbox detection support, it's very nice that there is no need to touch critical bootloader section (or start sector) at all when installing/upgrading rockbox to flash |
| 10:59:58 | Slasheri | so even if player crashes/upgrade fails, rockbox would continue working from disk normally |
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| 11:00:17 | amiconn | Similar concept to what we do on archos |
| 11:00:39 | amiconn | ...only that the system is even a bit more modular there |
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| 11:01:22 | amiconn | First comes a tiny flash loader which almost never changes. This loader then loads one of 2 firmware images |
| 11:01:35 | * | linuxstb wishes we knew enough about the PPs to attempt ipod flashing... |
| 11:01:50 | amiconn | By default it loads the second one, but can also load the first when holding a button |
| 11:02:15 | amiconn | The first image is permanent (included with the full flash rom image), and is called bootbox |
| 11:02:29 | safetydan | Slasheri, no chance of dumping the of to the disk and booting it from there? |
| 11:02:53 | Slasheri | safetydan: in theory that could work, but i have no idea how to load the image to ram |
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| 11:03:08 | amiconn | This is a stripped down rockbox which only handles RoLo and USB mode (and charging on v1) |
| 11:03:27 | safetydan | Guess it doesn't matter so much for the H1xx series. |
| 11:03:36 | amiconn | The second image is the full rockbox image |
| 11:03:40 | safetydan | H3xx users probably won't be flashing rockbox anytime soon |
| 11:04:04 | amiconn | Both images can either be uncompressed (with the option to run directly from flash) or ucl compressed |
| 11:04:39 | linuxstb | safetydan: Why? |
| 11:04:46 | amiconn | The first image (bootbox) is compressed in all flash rom images we ship |
| 11:04:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: usbotg |
| 11:04:57 | linuxstb | Ah yes... |
| 11:05:14 | * | amiconn looks at petur |
| 11:05:15 | Slasheri | with h140 there is some problems when running directly from flash.. somehow, when audio is playing, after 30 minutes or so the player suddenly crashes |
| 11:05:16 | petur | and some freaks watch video on it |
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| 11:05:59 | Slasheri | maybe it would be better to start with loading the fw from flash to ram. That way flash image could be even upgraded very easily without the need for special files (rockbox.iriver would be enough for the flash upgrade) |
| 11:06:02 | preglow | amiconn: ipod flashing?? wouldn't that pretty much mean overwriting the bootloader? |
| 11:06:08 | preglow | amiconn: do we even know if ipods can be flashed? |
| 11:06:17 | petur | amiconn: I'm going to look at it soon ;) |
| 11:07:29 | amiconn | preglow: I'm not talking about ipod here. But in fact flashing should be straightforward on ipod. It's just writing the correct bitpatterns to certain flash rom addresses to enable flash mode, then program. Same thing on all CPUs |
| 11:07:39 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, it would mean overwriting the Apple bootloader - which is why I said we don't know enough about the hw to be able to do it. |
| 11:07:50 | amiconn | The question remains _what_ to flash where in order to not break it... |
| 11:08:11 | linuxstb | (because we seem to rely on the existing bootloader to init a lot of the hardware) |
| 11:08:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, and more important, we rely on the bootloader diskmode. |
| 11:08:57 | amiconn | USB is implemented in software on ipod |
| 11:09:05 | preglow | linuxstb: exactly |
| 11:09:21 | preglow | without the bootloader, i'm pretty certain rockbox will not work as it is |
| 11:09:28 | preglow | especially not on nano |
| 11:09:43 | preglow | where we rely on the bootloader to init lcd |
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| 11:37:46 | * | Bagder likes busybox |
| 11:38:03 | Bagder | I added the 'cat' command to my MIPS image |
| 11:38:10 | Bagder | 144 bytes |
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| 11:38:52 | aliask | What do you run it on Bagder |
| 11:38:52 | Bagder | that's... eh 32 MIPS instructions ;-) |
| 11:39:48 | Bagder | its a custom board using NEC thing (for dvb) |
| 11:40:07 | Bagder | big NDA, multi-core chip |
| 11:40:44 | aliask | Nice |
| 11:41:09 | Bagder | well, mips is a whole new arch for me |
| 11:41:30 | aliask | Does the PSP use MIPS? |
| 11:41:39 | aliask | I seem to remember it doing so... |
| 11:41:39 | Bagder | yes I think so |
| 11:42:02 | Bagder | this has in fact a similar mips core |
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| 11:42:09 | Bagder | R4K |
| 11:42:13 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I didn't think the idea of adjusting fonts on-the-fly had been rejected? |
| 11:42:27 | Bagder | not by amiconn at least ;-) |
| 11:42:51 | aliask | Vector fonts would be so pretty... |
| 11:43:11 | linuxstb | Also, I'm not sure the existence of a patch means that a feature request should be closed... |
| 11:43:23 | bluebrother | why not? |
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| 11:43:35 | linuxstb | Because Rockbox doesn't have that feature. |
| 11:44:00 | bluebrother | but when a patch is submitted the intention (of the submitter) is to get it included in rockbox. |
| 11:44:49 | aliask | (most of the time) |
| 11:45:13 | bluebrother | having a request and a patch just clutters FS and at least one of them will most probably get lost. |
| 11:45:37 | petur | just link them? |
| 11:46:16 | bluebrother | hmm. I still don't see a reason why not to close them −− there actually is an entry (which is a patch) |
| 11:46:37 | linuxstb | Also, the patch may implement the feature, but not in the "correct" way, meaning the patch might be rejected. |
| 11:47:02 | bluebrother | so the information don't get lost. If someone provides a patch I guess at least that person has a request for that functionality. |
| 11:47:39 | bluebrother | true, but from what I saw in that case there will be a discussion about the patch instead of rejecting it. |
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| 11:49:17 | linuxstb | Maybe it's just the reason for closing I disagree with - the feature request should be closed as a duplicate (even though it may have come before the patch), rather than "invalid" or "out of date". |
| 11:49:29 | bluebrother | also, I'm still of the opinion that users will re-report a feature request if it's really important to them. |
| 11:49:43 | bluebrother | ok, maybe using "duplicate" would suit better. |
| 11:49:59 | petur | I still feel linking them is better |
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| 11:51:07 | bluebrother | I'm not sure. |
| 11:51:42 | bluebrother | maybe we should create some ClosingTasks guidelines in the wiki. |
| 11:51:51 | bluebrother | or are there some that I just haven't seen? |
| 11:52:20 | linuxstb | It's not just ClosingTasks, it would be useful to have guidelines for all aspects of flyspray - so people use it consistently. |
| 11:53:00 | linuxstb | e.g. should a patch that implements a feature request be a new task, or added to the feature request? |
| 11:53:25 | petur | weird problem this is: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5635.0 |
| 11:53:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm in favour of it being posted as a new task |
| 11:53:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | With "depends on" pointing at the Feature Request |
| 11:55:32 | bluebrother | problem is that non-developers can't add dependencies on FS. |
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| 11:56:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can't create a dependency when originally posting? |
| 11:56:37 | bluebrother | no. At least it wasn't possible back the days I was classified as a normal "user". |
| 11:56:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm |
| 11:56:57 | bluebrother | but maybe this can be adjusted in FS. Don't know. |
| 11:57:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to me that when creating a new task you should be able to set "Depends On" |
| 11:57:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think adding the patch to the feature request just makes it harder to know if something's been done yet. |
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| 11:59:17 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: The feature request would then need to have its type changed to "patch"... Bugs could be handled the same way. |
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| 11:59:37 | linuxstb | But then we would lose the difference between patches implementing new features, and patches fixing bugs.... |
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| 12:00:06 | leftright | Slasheri: you around |
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| 12:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: The problem is that the person posting the patch often can't change the task type. I think it would be more consistent for it to just be posted as a patch, with the depends pointing to the Feature Request or Bug Report. |
| 12:05:47 | Slasheri | leftright: yes :) |
| 12:06:21 | leftright | almost done with the military ? |
| 12:06:42 | Slasheri | hehe, almost over, 19 days left and now on vacation ;) |
| 12:07:15 | leftright | R and R and hacking on Rockbox :) |
| 12:07:27 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 12:08:02 | leftright | Slasheri: there is a valid playback bug reported on the forum http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5018.15 |
| 12:08:29 | Slasheri | hmm, lets see |
| 12:08:36 | leftright | pabouk has the steps layed out to reproduce it, and I can reproduce it as well |
| 12:09:06 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, but from what bluebrother said, it seems users can't set dependencies either... But i don't feel strongly either way - I just raised that as an example of where it would be useful to have some flyspray usage guidelines. |
| 12:09:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 12:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think allowing users to arbitrarily set dependencies when posting a task is better than giving them free reign over task types. |
| 12:09:55 | Slasheri | leftright: interesting, i will try that soon |
| 12:10:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I agree, usage guidelines of any sort, just for consistency, would be great if they would actually be read 'n followed |
| 12:11:01 | Slasheri | leftright: in fact the whole buffering system has several problems at the moment.. i hope i had time to reimplement the whole buffering as an api |
| 12:11:36 | linuxstb | We would just link to them from the top of the flyspray page - and tell users they must read them before submitting a new task. But then we need to make them short and concise enough so people actually pay attention. |
| 12:11:51 | leftright | Slasheri: thanks for looking at it |
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| 12:21:07 | amiconn | Hmm :/ |
| 12:21:32 | * | amiconn has doom running on his mini, but the buttons don't seem to work... |
| 12:22:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did it kick you into the demo, or something? |
| 12:22:34 | linuxstb | Yes, you're probably in the demo - toggle the hold switch to bring up the Doom menu. |
| 12:23:25 | amiconn | Hmm, now it works |
| 12:23:43 | * | amiconn wonders why Play is fire and Select is change weapon and not vice versa |
| 12:24:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think we tried it the other way and ended up liking it leess. |
| 12:24:55 | amiconn | Hmm, going to the game selection sub menu crashes with an undefined instruction (!) |
| 12:24:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I remember there were some odd control choices. |
| 12:25:27 | linuxstb | I've never had that... |
| 12:25:46 | amiconn | Maybe it's the menu voice thing? |
| 12:25:51 | amiconn | The address is in IRAM |
| 12:26:25 | linuxstb | Yes, probably voice. |
| 12:26:37 | amiconn | confirmed. |
| 12:27:07 | linuxstb | How does it look compared to the h140? |
| 12:27:56 | amiconn | Worse (compared to how it looks on H1x0 _now_, i.e. with gamma correction and linearisation) |
| 12:28:26 | amiconn | My ipod correction table is still a bit off, hence it's too dark |
| 12:28:43 | amiconn | And the flicker doesn't make it better :( |
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| 12:34:41 | amiconn | For some reason I can't figure out how to move between options in the in-game menus |
| 12:36:27 | linuxstb | Both Doom and Rockboy need someone to fix the ipod button handling... |
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| 12:39:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a variety of patches for them, though I've no idea how well they're written. |
| 12:43:29 | linuxstb | That reminds me of something else for the ipod to-do list - an improved button driver with support for wheel acceleration and a wheel absolute-position API. |
| 12:44:21 | amiconn | Doom has a small bug (on all platforms) |
| 12:45:36 | amiconn | The message printing doesn't convert to utf8, so it shows the "invalid char" block in a number of lines |
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| 12:48:00 | San | hey guys |
| 12:48:31 | San | what type of battery should I get for my H300 if I want to upgrade it? |
| 12:48:39 | San | 2200 mAh? |
| 12:48:48 | San | or is that what I have atm? |
| 12:49:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | They come with either a 1300 or 1400. |
| 12:49:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | A 2200 is a considerable upgraded |
| 12:49:36 | San | oh, so I want a 2200? |
| 12:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Minus the last D |
| 12:49:43 | San | ah, thanks |
| 12:50:30 | bluebrother | got to go for now. |
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| 12:51:56 | Febs | preglow, did you see the thread on the forum where someone asked for a 50 band EQ? |
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| 12:54:11 | * | linuxstb noticed it.... |
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| 12:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I personally don't think 50 is enough. |
| 12:55:13 | Bagder | why stop at 50? ;-) |
| 12:55:30 | Bagder | haha |
| 12:55:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clearly it should be allowed to be user defined, N+2 (the shelves) where N is as many as the user'd like. |
| 12:56:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | An independent band every 10 hz all the way up. |
| 12:57:03 | linuxstb | Could you daisy-chain a number of H140s together via the optical i/o, each performing a few bands of EQ, and passing the signal through to the next player? |
| 12:57:37 | crwl | what an excellent idea. i want this ASAP :P |
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| 12:57:57 | dan_a | "Hi, I'm trying to use my iPod as a professional multitrack recorder. I think Rockbox should implement a 250 band EQ, simultaneous recording from multiple sources at 192kHz and also have a multiband compressor for mastering." |
| 12:57:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You just exploded my brain. Thanks. |
| 12:58:03 | * | leftright hides his h140's |
| 12:58:43 | Bagder | "Oh, and what's the expected release day of the final Rockbox version?" |
| 12:58:44 | * | safetydan tries to think how you would even draw 50 bands in the GUI |
| 12:59:11 | leftright | 10 pages of 5 bands each |
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| 12:59:18 | safetydan | Bagder, about the same time Duke Nukem Forever comes out |
| 12:59:27 | Bagder | :-] |
| 12:59:46 | Febs | My most recent interface proposal would work. You would just have to click through 50 bands one at a time. |
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| 12:59:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Hey, Prey's been in development about as long, and it actually released. Only 11 years after the announcement. |
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| 13:00:48 | safetydan | Febs, as soon as preglow gets that graphing stuff sorted, expect it to be implemented (maybe only with 5 bands though :) |
| 13:01:17 | Febs | :) |
| 13:01:30 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, true, the release of Prey has reduced the vaporware factor of DNF |
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| 13:01:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: But... not by much. |
| 13:01:58 | safetydan | still a reduction |
| 13:02:10 | * | safetydan goes back to his astronomical algorithms book |
| 13:02:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can the EQ code arbitrarily be duplicated for the middle 3 bands? For example, how hard would it be to create a build with 10 instead of the original 5? Would someone need to know the algorithms, or be able to just sorta insert them? |
| 13:03:27 | safetydan | afaik, you could just duplicate it |
| 13:03:44 | leftright | safetydan: whats your local time ? |
| 13:04:16 | safetydan | 21:04 |
| 13:04:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just wondering, because adding another 2, or maybe another 5, wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea right? Since they only increase the processing load depending on how many are active anyway, and there is a case for only 5 bands being sub-optimal, at least by some peoples' standards. |
| 13:04:36 | amiconn | safetydan: Hmm, was it you who implemented fixed point cordinc sin() and cos()? |
| 13:04:45 | safetydan | amiconn, yeah that was me |
| 13:05:01 | * | amiconn would like to see that in the plugin lib |
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| 13:05:22 | amiconn | I will probably separate my exp() and log() as well |
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| 13:06:11 | safetydan | that implementation is pretty specific to the equalizer |
| 13:06:11 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: I guess "sub-optimal" is relative. Has any dap ever had a 5 band fully parametric EQ before RB? |
| 13:06:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: Didn't the Karma? |
| 13:06:25 | safetydan | Febs, I believe the Rio Karma had it. Or I might be misremembering |
| 13:06:27 | safetydan | beaten |
| 13:06:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I like the idea of one-upping everything that's come before. |
| 13:06:47 | Febs | I'm trying to remember if the Karma's EQ was fully parametric. |
| 13:06:53 | nudelyn | it was |
| 13:06:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've been told it was, but I've never seen it. |
| 13:06:59 | safetydan | it had Q and everything |
| 13:07:03 | safetydan | the manual is online somewhere |
| 13:07:33 | safetydan | amiconn, there's also some fixed point functions in the replaygain code |
| 13:07:37 | nudelyn | really high quality as well, didn't distort unless you made pretty extreme adjustments |
| 13:09:32 | safetydan | nudelyn, was it a quality thing, or did they do automatic precut setting? |
| 13:09:43 | linuxstb | safetydan: I found a site a while ago with a lot of screenshots of the Karma's UI - the link will be in the IRC logs somewhere... Probably around the time you implemented the Rockbox EQ UI. |
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| 13:09:59 | safetydan | linuxstb, that's probably what I'm thinking of |
| 13:10:37 | nudelyn | not sure how it worked, but most EQs you can only subtract from without massive distortion. the karma seemed much better. woudl still distort though, so subtracting was stillt he best bet, but yo could subtract a bit less and add a little to a couple of ranges to make it sound better or easier to adjust |
| 13:10:49 | linuxstb | Wasn't the Karma using a portalplayer chip as well? |
| 13:11:00 | nudelyn | i think it was yeah |
| 13:11:01 | preglow | safetydan: it's not too specific to not be useful for other plugins |
| 13:11:01 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, you could always ask preglow when he shows up next if there's any point to adding more peak filters |
| 13:11:14 | nudelyn | similar chip to what the ipod used, but without the completely broken cache |
| 13:11:23 | safetydan | speak of the devil |
| 13:11:28 | linuxstb | The PP5003 IIRC. |
| 13:12:07 | safetydan | amiconn, is there any way to share code between the plugin lib and the apps code? Or is cut and paste the only way? |
| 13:12:27 | linuxstb | If the code is apps code, just export it via the plugin api - no need to copy it into the plugin lib. |
| 13:12:47 | * | safetydan feels silly |
| 13:12:49 | safetydan | yes of course |
| 13:14:28 | preglow | safetydan: as a matter of fact, it should cover pretty much any need, being very exact in both parameter and result |
| 13:14:39 | safetydan | now if we could just get replaygain.c out of firmware we could get a nice fmath.c going in apps |
| 13:14:47 | amiconn | What's the fp format? |
| 13:15:01 | preglow | amiconn: argument, 0 -> 0xffffffff equal 0 to 2*pi |
| 13:15:07 | preglow | amiconn: results, s0.31 fixed point |
| 13:15:12 | linuxstb | safetydan: You could always put fmath.c in firmware/ |
| 13:15:14 | preglow | amiconn: very practical and easy to adapt to every need |
| 13:15:37 | linuxstb | (that's where the stdlib-type functions are anyway). |
| 13:16:44 | linuxstb | In fact, firmware/common/ seems the ideal location. |
| 13:17:10 | safetydan | right, new file time then |
| 13:17:31 | amiconn | How could we solve the problem that on some targets, these functions are part of the core, and on other targets we only want to use them for plugins? |
| 13:18:09 | linuxstb | Which targets don't need them in the core? mascodec? |
| 13:18:16 | amiconn | I would like to use sin() in plugins, but not put it in the core unless it's needed there |
| 13:18:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:18:38 | linuxstb | Hmm.... |
| 13:18:39 | preglow | amiconn: can't we just make a lib that can be linked from both plugin and core? |
| 13:19:01 | preglow | uneeded functions shouldn't be linked anyway |
| 13:19:10 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, yes. In fact that would be useful for some other functions as well |
| 13:19:31 | preglow | amiconn: plus, it's by far the simplest solution i can think of |
| 13:20:42 | amiconn | Right now we're doing some magic to use core memcpy() and friends from plugins - but gcc requires a freestanding environment to always have these available |
| 13:21:19 | amiconn | If gcc uses e.g. memcpy() before the api pointer is set up, the plugin will crash |
| 13:21:23 | preglow | very nice point |
| 13:21:42 | amiconn | But making these functions linkable to plugins faces us with another problem |
| 13:22:08 | amiconn | memcpy() etc use IRAM for code, but we don't want all plugins to use IRAM |
| 13:22:37 | amiconn | ...because then (1) we'd need to stop playback and (2) it's impossible on archos |
| 13:22:52 | preglow | in that case i can only think that we'd need to compile to versions of the library |
| 13:22:56 | preglow | two, even |
| 13:23:04 | amiconn | Also, coldfire memcpy() and memmove() are monsters... |
| 13:24:16 | preglow | heh |
| 13:24:22 | preglow | well |
| 13:24:28 | preglow | in the context of coldfire, i hardly think it matters |
| 13:29:36 | preglow | anwyho |
| 13:29:40 | preglow | going away for the weekend |
| 13:29:43 | preglow | see you all later |
| 13:30:00 | safetydan | have fun |
| 13:30:09 | preglow | sure will |
| 13:30:09 | preglow | bye |
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| 14:39:52 | lamed | hello |
| 14:40:06 | dan_a | Quick question: If I do "bool thread_on_cop[MAXTHREADS] IBSS_ATTR;", how much memory does that take up? Is it MAXTHREADS bits, rounded to the nearest word, or is it MAXTHREADS words? |
| 14:40:32 | Bagder | check the map file |
| 14:40:40 | Bagder | but a bool never takes just a bit |
| 14:40:55 | amiconn | A bool takes one byte on our targets |
| 14:41:23 | amiconn | (at least it does on sh and coldfire) |
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| 14:42:21 | amiconn | From some portalplayer pdf it seems that pp5021, pp5022 and pp5024 are very closely related |
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| 14:42:45 | amiconn | pp5022 is the successor of pp5020, and the pp5021 is a derivate of it (probably just lower clock) |
| 14:42:54 | linuxstb | Yes, I've seen press releases mentioning "pp5022/5021". |
| 14:43:20 | amiconn | The pp5024 is a pp5022 with some extra integrated components, and targeted for flash based players only |
| 14:43:37 | linuxstb | Plus some components missing - such as the ATA interface. |
| 14:44:54 | * | linuxstb is reminded of yet another ipod to-do (although it's not really ipod specific) - make use of the extra IRAM in some targets... |
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| 14:45:55 | amiconn | The extra components are analog audio and power management |
| 14:45:56 | dan_a | Thanks. Would it be better to have strange code to preserve IRAM, or to waste some IRAM? I'm just looking at the threading code with a view to adding COP support in there. |
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| 14:46:08 | linuxstb | And an RTC I think? |
| 14:46:51 | amiconn | The report doesn't tell... |
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| 14:47:10 | linuxstb | There's a PP5024 product brief available. |
| 14:47:25 | amiconn | dan_a: I would think it would be easiest to run a secondary kernel on the cop |
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| 14:49:16 | amiconn | Yes, PP5024 features an RTC |
| 14:50:05 | Bagder | judging from my sansa, it isn't very good ;-) |
| 14:50:28 | Bagder | I mean accurate in keeping time |
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| 14:50:36 | dan_a | amiconn: Did you see the rough outline of a plan I did yesterday for using the COP? http://pastebin.ca/113209 |
| 14:51:42 | dan_a | (There's some things that I've already found are wrong with that, and it doesn't actually apply as a patch) |
| 14:52:08 | amiconn | Why not have a complete secondary thread array for the cop? |
| 14:52:27 | amiconn | This way you won't need a flag, and the thread switch will become faster |
| 14:52:39 | dan_a | Because I've not figured out how to do it yet! |
| 14:53:46 | amiconn | Btw, there might be a bug in lcd-ipod.c for pp5002 that might explain the high frame rate you got. |
| 14:53:59 | dan_a | :( |
| 14:54:02 | amiconn | Did you observe any graphical glitches? |
| 14:54:19 | dan_a | I haven't, no. |
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| 14:55:11 | amiconn | Hmm, then it's either unnecessary to wait for the lcd controller, or the timing is by coincidence slow enough, or the definition from ipl is wrong: |
| 14:55:42 | amiconn | Check lcd-ipod.c lines 43..48, and then line 90 |
| 14:56:08 | amiconn | I would guess the 0x8000 in line 90 should have been IPOD_LCD_BUSY_MASK |
| 14:57:06 | amiconn | Now if we could make sure this isn't needed...... |
| 14:57:32 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just checked the IPL source - it has "lcd_busy_mask" where we've got 0x8000. |
| 14:59:11 | linuxstb | But lcd_busy_mask should be 0x8000 for all ipods apart from the Nano and Color/Photo.... The 0x80000000 is for the Nano and Color/Photo. |
| 14:59:23 | amiconn | aha |
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| 15:00:26 | amiconn | pity :( |
| 15:00:48 | dan_a | So there's a bug, but the 3g really is that fast? |
| 15:01:07 | amiconn | There is a bug that doesn't hit |
| 15:02:11 | amiconn | We just don't need IPOD_LCD_BUSY_MASK as the nano/color/photo code is separate anyway |
| 15:02:27 | amiconn | Or rather, we should use it and always set it to 0x8000 for greyscale |
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| 15:04:27 | * | amiconn wonders how the 3g can be faster than the 4g |
| 15:04:46 | amiconn | There must be some pp register that influences the ld port timing |
| 15:05:09 | linuxstb | I expect a lot more reverse-engineeering went into the 3g than the 4g. |
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| 15:06:01 | amiconn | The data transfer mechanism is exactly the same apart from the different addresses |
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| 15:06:45 | amiconn | Only the mini g2 has a different interface (but is similarly slow as the g4) |
| 15:06:45 | dan_a | It did seem to come back with a result immediately |
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| 15:12:14 | hotwire_ | anybody i can talk to around here about a plugin i'm trying to design? |
| 15:13:39 | dan_a | hotwire_: Ask the question, and if anyone knows then they'll help :) |
| 15:13:41 | linuxstb | State your problem, and I'm sure people will reply. |
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| 15:20:11 | hotwire_ | Okay, so my idea for a plugin is a Checklist. Input file would be a textfile so it can be edited/written with with the existing text viewer |
| 15:20:26 | hotwire_ | 3 level heirarchy: Category (say recipies, or errands), Heading (Pizza?), and the entries itself (cheese, pizza dough etc) |
| 15:20:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you tried experimenting with the logic in the lcd_update_rect() function - e.g. removing some of the calls to lcd_wait_write(). Just randomly trying things (instead of assuming the IPL code was how it was for a good reason) worked miracles with the 5g's lcd driver. |
| 15:21:05 | hotwire_ | as a crude example of usefulness... personnaly i'd use it to go to the grocery store and get the right ingredients for certain recipies. |
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| 15:23:45 | hotwire_ | Additionally, have it viewable as a sort of tree structure, ie, you can collapse headings or complete categories you're not using... I was even pondering functionality to move collapsed headings to below the ones being used (specifically because of limited screen sizes) |
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| 15:24:56 | hotwire_ | any thoughts on practicality, or most importantly, how to best approach this? |
| 15:25:23 | hotwire_ | biggest problem is that this would be my first attempt at programming on rockbox. |
| 15:26:15 | Slasheri | hmm, just wondering where i can get the instruction set for coldfire cpu that is same the gnu assembler uses.. |
| 15:26:40 | Slasheri | looking at the "programmer's reference manual", there the instructions are very different than in real code |
| 15:27:37 | linuxstb | hotwire_: The things to think about are 1) Your plugin should work on all Rockbox targets - the Archos devices only have 32KB of memory available for plugins (both code and data). 2) You want to minimise disk accesses - preferably just reading from disk once at plugin start, and writing once at plugin end. |
| 15:29:11 | linuxstb | Also, what functionality would your plugin offer that couldn't be done by a set of text files stored in a directory tree? |
| 15:31:51 | hotwire_ | it would be more of having all of them in one file, so you wouldn't have to bounce around between multiple text files (of course as it gets big, it could impede certain targets), and be able to dynamically rearrange the order so things you're not looking for are moved to the bottom, and hidden via a collapsable heading. |
| 15:34:00 | hotwire_ | essentially set the controls to move up and down, and with just one push of a button check the item in question off. Whearas using the text editor, you'd need to insert a character... Other option would be to permit clearing all checkmarks in one swoop. |
| 15:36:06 | hotwire_ | sufficient answer, or looking for something else? |
| 15:37:50 | linuxstb | So firstly you would need to decide on the text file format, then write a function in C (which you can simply test on your PC if you want to, outside of Rockbox) which parses that text file into an internal format. You'll then display and manipulate that structure, and then write it back to disk. |
| 15:38:00 | hotwire_ | admittantly, i'd probably end up using the seperate text files to store the individual recipies. |
| 15:38:22 | hotwire_ | but this is more for just ingredients. |
| 15:39:04 | hotwire_ | okay... so get it to run on the PC first eh? Then come back after? |
| 15:39:50 | linuxstb | You may find it easier to develop and debug as a standalone PC (console) app, but the Rockbox uisim would also be useful |
| 15:40:34 | linuxstb | Just make sure you don't use any library functions not available in Rockbox - such as malloc/free. |
| 15:41:01 | hotwire_ | now, with there being an aribtrary number of Categories, Headings, and Entries, i figure a few arrays would be the way to go, Cat would be 2D array, headings 3d, and entries 4d (extra dimension needed because text would be saved as char[] |
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| 15:59:25 | lamed | here's a stupid question... say I stop a process, then I try to kill it using kill 2, I get 'Operation not permitted' notice. but If i'll su myself I couldn't kill that job because I can't see it from the root account... |
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| 15:59:55 | Slasheri | uh, now running the fw upgrade with my new bootloader.. |
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| 16:00:06 | Slasheri | and it still boots! \o/ |
| 16:00:11 | Bagder | lamed: you most likely don't own pid 2 |
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| 16:00:48 | Slasheri | now basic flash support should be almost ready.. |
| 16:01:12 | dan_a | lamed: Are you trying to kill something using its job number, not its PID? |
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| 16:03:40 | lamed | ... I'm pretty positive that what peter norton told me to do, let me see. |
| 16:03:58 | Bagder | then use "kill %2" |
| 16:05:16 | lamed | mmm. how do i get a process PID? |
| 16:05:24 | Bagder | using ps |
| 16:05:41 | Bagder | all processes have a pid |
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| 16:07:22 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Have you been able to reflash an iriver firmware? |
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| 16:08:00 | lamed | user@debian:~$ ps -a |
| 16:08:07 | lamed | PID TTY TIME CMD |
| 16:08:11 | lamed | 22379 pts/2 00:00:00 xedit |
| 16:08:18 | Bagder | ps -ax |
| 16:08:21 | lamed | 26599 pts/0 00:00:00 grep |
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| 16:08:44 | Bagder | or even ps uaxw |
| 16:08:45 | lamed | nevermind that |
| 16:08:56 | lamed | user@debian:~$ kill 26599 |
| 16:09:02 | lamed | jobs: [1]+ Stopped grep -r * |
| 16:09:11 | lamed | so it fails |
| 16:09:18 | Bagder | ? |
| 16:09:33 | dan_a | lamed: I'd just do "fg 1" to go back to the job, then Ctrl-C |
| 16:09:37 | Bagder | that "jobs" output was not a response to the kill command |
| 16:09:53 | Bagder | fg %1 |
| 16:10:08 | linuxstb | Or just kill %1 - as Bagder said earlier... |
| 16:10:27 | lamed | but if I kill it using kill%1, It will not appear on the jobs list. |
| 16:10:36 | linuxstb | That's the idea... |
| 16:10:43 | Bagder | no, then you kill it and it dies |
| 16:11:05 | lamed | what happend when I 'kill 26599'? |
| 16:11:15 | Bagder | you kill that process |
| 16:11:24 | Bagder | which could be the same as %1 |
| 16:11:25 | lamed | not to death? |
| 16:11:32 | Bagder | it depends |
| 16:11:43 | Bagder | a program can catch the default kill signal |
| 16:11:44 | lamed | ah. then thats what I ment. it wasn't the same as %1 |
| 16:12:06 | linuxstb | But "kill %1" and "kill 26599" would be identical in your example. |
| 16:12:32 | lamed | jugding by the jobs table is a wrong consumption? |
| 16:13:25 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean by "jobs table". Is that the output of the "jobs" command? |
| 16:13:41 | lamed | YEAH |
| 16:13:44 | lamed | whoops |
| 16:14:08 | dan_a | In bash, it reminds you of any jobs you have after every command |
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| 16:15:03 | linuxstb | Not quite - but if you kill a job, then the next time you enter a command in bash, bash will tell you that a job has been killed. |
| 16:15:21 | linuxstb | So that could be confusing if you're not expecting it. |
| 16:15:41 | dan_a | It seems to be the first command after you background something |
| 16:15:46 | lamed | you can actually tell bash to tell you when a job ends just when it happends. |
| 16:16:06 | lamed | without it being popped out after the next command. |
| 16:16:57 | lamed | it's an environment $VALUE somewhere I can't remember. |
| 16:18:12 | * | Bagder mostly use tcsh interactively |
| 16:18:41 | linuxstb | BTW, in a very off-topic suggestion, can anyone suggest a better mail client for dealing with large mail folders than thunderbird? It doesn't seem to be coping well with the 4.5GB of email I've accumulated during my life... |
| 16:18:54 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:19:04 | sharpe | Ahh, memories... |
| 16:19:12 | Bagder | I split my mail in multiple folders |
| 16:19:22 | lamed | linuxstb: mail |
| 16:19:29 | linuxstb | lamed: haha... |
| 16:19:39 | lamed | :) |
| 16:20:08 | linuxstb | I've got about 40-50 folders and sub-folders... |
| 16:20:57 | linuxstb | So does everyone just use Thunderbird? |
| 16:21:19 | Bagder | I use pine |
| 16:21:30 | Bagder | I have 21 inboxes |
| 16:22:09 | Bagder | can't bear any gui-based for deal with large amounts of email |
| 16:22:21 | linuxstb | So you use something like fetchmail to collect your mail and organise it? |
| 16:22:31 | dan_a | I use a combination of Outlook, Squirrelmail and kmail |
| 16:22:32 | Bagder | yeps |
| 16:22:49 | dan_a | ...and occasionally telnet to port 143 |
| 16:22:52 | Bagder | and procmail to filter it |
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| 16:23:09 | * | dionoea_work suggests mutt |
| 16:23:12 | lamed | how could you use all of those sh%$ass ugly looking ascii based hard to beat syntax program like pine/emacs, so hard. |
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| 16:23:37 | Bagder | lamed: step 1: get 3000 emails/day |
| 16:23:50 | Bagder | step 2: figure out how to deal with it |
| 16:24:27 | linuxstb | My other thought is to run my own webmail server on one of my home PCs.... I'ld like all my email to be stored at home, but with remote access ability. |
| 16:24:33 | linuxstb | (via ADSL) |
| 16:24:41 | * | lamed remainds Bagder my mail got lost in his JUNKMAIL FOLDER! |
| 16:24:44 | linuxstb | But ssh and pine would work... |
| 16:24:59 | Bagder | lamed: you want to know why? |
| 16:25:11 | lamed | because i'm from israel? |
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| 16:25:18 | Bagder | your mail gave a pretty high probability of spam content |
| 16:25:30 | Bagder | trigged several rules |
| 16:25:42 | lamed | how is that?! |
| 16:25:43 | Bagder | including blacklisted host names |
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| 16:26:04 | Bagder | I don't have the original left so I can't tell you now |
| 16:26:11 | lamed | _israeli isp_ there is |
| 16:26:23 | Bagder | a bad isp |
| 16:26:38 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes, i have reflashed iriver fw once |
| 16:26:41 | Bagder | or rather, it probably has had bad clients in the past |
| 16:26:45 | Slasheri | (from rockbox of course) |
| 16:27:09 | linuxstb | Slasheri: That's good to know. I'm looking forward to testing... |
| 16:27:13 | Slasheri | i think user should backup the rom contents before destroying iriver fw if one ever would like to restore that |
| 16:27:27 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, probably i could provide a patch for you soon :) |
| 16:27:29 | lamed | it's just israeli. I heard a l-o-n-g time ago some irc networks blocked israeli isps for making too much mess. where do you get your blacklist from..? |
| 16:28:23 | linuxstb | Slasheri: As soon as you think it's safe... |
| 16:28:25 | Bagder | lamed: I use spamassissin like a million others |
| 16:29:03 | Bagder | but yes, I have _strict_ spam rules |
| 16:29:18 | Bagder | I never get less than 500/day |
| 16:29:42 | linuxstb | I get something similar. Thunderbird does a reasonable job though. |
| 16:30:13 | lamed | I actually wish I could be near a heavy user for a few days so I could pick stuff up much faster. |
| 16:30:40 | nudelyn | I find Thunderbird's spam filtering awful |
| 16:31:02 | crwl | i wonder if kmail's imap support is stable enough nowadays |
| 16:31:13 | nudelyn | PopFile was great, except since it's Perl it's incredibly slow (slows down your mail fetching a hell of a lot) and it's also not integrated into your mail client so it's a hassle to tag/untag things. |
| 16:31:22 | crwl | and i also wonder, which spam filtering tool should i hook into it, if i end up liking it |
| 16:31:50 | lamed | (still working on winxp, one computer start failing on ubuntu linux when loading the X system, and the other I can get internet connection, but only to google.com) |
| 16:32:31 | |apo| | nudelyn: What are you using now? I also have Popfile |
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| 16:35:08 | leftright | Slasheri: I have tested your fix, it fixes that bug nicely thank you :) |
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| 16:41:40 | freqmod | does anybody know if/how to configure binutiles to dissassemble a EST flat binary (for m68k)? |
| 16:42:06 | Bagder | est? |
| 16:42:27 | freqmod | file HD800_MODEL_8307.bin \n HD800_MODEL_8307.bin: EST flat binary |
| 16:42:38 | leftright | Slasheri: after testing the forum bug extensively now, i still get a a second or two of -1 and -2 at the end of a track before the next track starts |
| 16:42:39 | Bagder | "arm-m68k-objdump objdump -D −−target binary -mm68k" probably |
| 16:42:53 | Bagder | (apart from that the prefix got wrong) |
| 16:43:24 | linuxstb | Someone's been using arm-elf-objdump a lot recently... |
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| 16:43:32 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:43:43 | Bagder | with -Mforce-thumb too |
| 16:46:38 | freqmod | is motorola MCF5249 m68k? |
| 16:46:43 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:47:13 | freqmod | m68k-elf-objdump -d HD800_MODEL_8307.bin −−target binary -m m86k gives m68k-elf-objdump: Can't use supplied machine m86k |
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| 16:47:19 | ShadowdogMU | Hello. |
| 16:47:29 | Bagder | m86k is not m68k |
| 16:47:56 | Bagder | and -D is not -d |
| 16:48:01 | ShadowdogMU | So I am looking to put Rockbox on my iPod, what are the chances of something happening and rending my iPod useless? |
| 16:48:22 | linuxstb | ShadowdogMU: No-one has managed to render their ipod useless so far... |
| 16:48:50 | linuxstb | The worst that can happen is you will need to wipe your ipod's hard disk and restore using Apple's restore utility. But even that's very rare. |
| 16:49:11 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, thanks, I was just worried, I mean that would be $400 down the drain |
| 16:49:45 | linuxstb | But of course, I'm not guaranteeing anything - just saying that you would be the first if anything nasty happened. |
| 16:50:44 | * | ShadowdogMU goes and gets iPod and downloads Rockbox |
| 16:51:28 | |apo| | :) |
| 16:53:48 | mocker | ShadowdogMU: Rockbox on iPod is sweet. :) |
| 16:53:54 | mocker | I love it on my Nano. |
| 16:54:24 | |apo| | I have it on my 4G |
| 16:54:25 | |apo| | <3 |
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| 16:54:41 | ShadowdogMU | I have a video, it does have video support correct? |
| 16:54:47 | apo` | Nope |
| 16:54:55 | freqmod | how to get ihpfirm, or equalent? (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverToolsGuide) |
| 16:54:59 | apo` | But you can boot the original firmware for that |
| 16:55:44 | Bagder | freqmod: "incorporated into the Rockbox scramble and descramble tools" |
| 16:55:59 | Bagder | its in tools/ |
| 16:56:05 | Bagder | or they are rather |
| 16:56:13 | freqmod | ok, i did first only found scrambler |
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| 16:58:13 | linuxstb | freqmod: Are you look at the xclef HD-800 firmware? |
| 16:58:18 | freqmod | yes |
| 16:58:23 | freqmod | i want to descrable it |
| 16:58:34 | freqmod | to look at my asono sound hub |
| 16:58:35 | Bagder | I doubt they use the iriver scramble method |
| 16:58:45 | freqmod | no they didn't |
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| 16:59:22 | Bagder | iriver doesn't even use the same between models |
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| 17:03:17 | ShadowdogMU | It says I need to keep a backup of bootpartition.bin to uninstall Rockbox later, is it talking about the one I downloaded, and not on the iPod? |
| 17:03:24 | pepie34 | I want to work on radio remote (for 5G), apparently nothing is done on linux/rockbox for dealing with seia port on 5G ipod |
| 17:03:38 | pepie34 | but the volume button work out of the bo |
| 17:03:48 | pepie34 | any idea why ? |
| 17:04:15 | pepie34 | s/seia/serial |
| 17:04:16 | ShadowdogMU | ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin that command does not work |
| 17:05:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 17:05:45 | ShadowdogMU | Urm, help please? |
| 17:05:54 | ShadowdogMU | I can't extract the apple firmware like it says I should |
| 17:06:54 | apo` | Change the 0? |
| 17:07:00 | linuxstb | ShadowdogMU: bootpartition.bin is the backup of your ipod's firmware partition you make using the ipodpatcher -r command |
| 17:07:10 | linuxstb | apo`: No, that 0 must be 0. |
| 17:07:11 | ShadowdogMU | 0 is my ipodpatch #? |
| 17:07:14 | apo` | Okay |
| 17:07:24 | ShadowdogMU | Ok well command prompt says this: |
| 17:07:44 | linuxstb | ShadowdogMU: Firstly, has the bootpartition.bin file been created? If so, how big (in MB) is it? |
| 17:07:59 | ShadowdogMU | 78.4 MB |
| 17:08:16 | linuxstb | Then that step is fine. What does the ipod_fw command tell you as an error? |
| 17:08:31 | ShadowdogMU | it's not recongnized as an internal or external command or something |
| 17:08:48 | linuxstb | Then you need to download ipod_fw.exe and put it in the directory you're working in. |
| 17:08:58 | ShadowdogMU | 'ipod_fw' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 17:08:58 | ShadowdogMU | operable program or batch file. |
| 17:09:22 | ShadowdogMU | is that ipod_wizard thing? |
| 17:09:52 | linuxstb | No - it's ipod_fw.exe. It's linked to at the start of the instructions, as one of the requirements to download. |
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| 17:10:20 | ShadowdogMU | Oh! |
| 17:10:31 | ShadowdogMU | I feel dumb, I missed that one because I thought it was a continuation from the line above |
| 17:11:04 | ShadowdogMU | Thanks linuxstb |
| 17:11:12 | linuxstb | A few people have done that... I think I'll make it the first item in the list. |
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| 17:12:39 | ShadowdogMU | creating the rockbox image file... that supposed to take a long time? |
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| 17:13:24 | linuxstb | No, it shouldn't take that long. |
| 17:13:54 | ShadowdogMU | >.> I copied and pasted and forgot to hit enter |
| 17:14:02 | linuxstb | :) |
| 17:14:25 | ShadowdogMU | I feel like an idiot today |
| 17:14:42 | ShadowdogMU | loading original firmware... |
| 17:14:47 | ShadowdogMU | I think it locked up on me |
| 17:14:55 | ShadowdogMU | nope |
| 17:14:57 | ShadowdogMU | there she goes |
| 17:15:56 | linuxstb | BTW, I would recommend reading the Ipod FAQ - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ and also downloading and reading the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 17:19:45 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, can I load it with regular firmware still? |
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| 17:23:19 | linuxstb | Yes - see the FAQ :) |
| 17:24:23 | ShadowdogMU | thanks |
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| 17:27:22 | obo | Is the usec timer available on all ipods? |
| 17:27:40 | linuxstb | All PortalPlayer devices. |
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| 17:29:26 | obo | okay, thanks |
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| 17:33:40 | ShadowdogMU | umm, so I am reading the FAQ... I can't figure how to play a song |
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| 17:34:32 | leftright | lol |
| 17:34:34 | freqmod | you'll have to get to the file of the song |
| 17:34:42 | linuxstb | " How do I access music that I have transferred to my iPod using iTunes" |
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| 17:35:33 | leftright | see, you rockbox guys make it sooo difficult to play music on a dap :> |
| 17:35:43 | apo` | Right. |
| 17:35:43 | rasher | No, Itunes is. |
| 17:35:51 | rasher | does. |
| 17:36:02 | linuxstb | No, it's Rockbox's fault for not reading the itunesdb and cloning the Apple UI... |
| 17:36:14 | leftright | precisely |
| 17:36:16 | * | freqmod wonders if anybody else experience that the tagcache stops working (and requires a reboot) after less than one song when loaded into ram |
| 17:37:08 | rasher | So anyway, I can create voice files using festival and lame. They're quite large though. Any pointers which settings to tweak? My lame encoding options are: -V 6 -B 64 −−resample 12 −−scale 0.6 −−vbr-new -t -S |
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| 17:37:53 | rasher | (nicked from the windows script) |
| 17:38:11 | rasher | so I'm guessing that's "Correct", actually |
| 17:38:16 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, so I did this TagCache thing, intiallized it, nothing happened |
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| 17:38:23 | ShadowdogMU | This is too much work just to make my iPod have a skin |
| 17:38:54 | rasher | That is not what Rockbox does, though. |
| 17:39:34 | ShadowdogMU | But it does |
| 17:39:36 | rasher | And what do you mean nothing happened? Did you follow the directions? (that is, reboot, set "SShow files" to "id3 db"? |
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| 17:40:53 | ShadowdogMU | I went to tagcache, and hit intialize |
| 17:41:04 | ShadowdogMU | the tagcache readme said nothing to reboot or sshow files |
| 17:41:05 | rasher | Yes.. then let it sit until there's no more harddisk activity |
| 17:41:12 | rasher | after that, reboot |
| 17:41:21 | linuxstb | When it finishes (the disk light will stop), you need to shutdown (long press on play), and then restart. |
| 17:41:21 | rasher | after that, change "Show files" to "ID3 database" |
| 17:41:31 | rasher | ShadowdogMU: then you weren't reading it all |
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| 17:42:23 | rasher | I'm guessing a 3mb voice file is a no-go? I mean it works on swcodec, but the Archoses won't like it |
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| 17:42:45 | rasher | (flite is pretty poor compared to Festival by the way, but much faster) |
| 17:43:19 | linuxstb | rasher: I'm just looking at the TagCache wiki page, and it's not the clearest set of instructions I've read... |
| 17:44:20 | rasher | Hrm, maybe I was thinking of the manual |
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| 17:44:35 | rasher | or something else entirely |
| 17:44:54 | linuxstb | If the manual is better, then the IpodFAQ should probably refer people there, rather than the wiki page. |
| 17:44:59 | * | linuxstb goes to read the manual |
| 17:45:33 | TeaSea | Sorry for the constant join/parting, sorting stuff out. |
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| 17:47:03 | rasher | tucoz, bluebrother (for the log): Screenshots in the manual should probably have a thin border around them. With the blue-on-blue-on-blue colourscheme, it's pretty hard to make out where the screenshot starts and where the page ends (on my monitor at least) |
| 17:47:15 | Acksaw | can someone help me with album art? |
| 17:47:19 | Acksaw | i cant seem to get it to load |
| 17:47:37 | Acksaw | ive converted it to 100x100 and bmp |
| 17:47:40 | Acksaw | but they just wont load |
| 17:47:49 | rasher | Are you using a custom build? |
| 17:47:50 | Acksaw | using the iCatcher WPS |
| 17:48:39 | Acksaw | yes |
| 17:48:45 | Acksaw | the experimental one |
| 17:49:20 | rasher | There's about 800 experimental builds, but it's probably the same patch anyway. Maybe you need the bmps in a specific bit-depth or something? |
| 17:49:40 | Acksaw | no idea |
| 17:49:46 | Acksaw | its Kosh's Experimental |
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| 17:51:02 | linuxstb | You should read one of the forum threads about how to use album art - it's not an official part of Rockbox, so most of the people here don't know how it works. |
| 17:51:14 | rasher | Have you read this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 ? |
| 17:52:09 | * | freqmod thinks life would be much simpler if album art was a part of rockbox, maybe people would not build that many experimental builds |
| 17:52:51 | rasher | Oh they would. |
| 17:53:08 | rasher | With this amount of patches, there's bound to be custom-builds all over the place |
| 17:53:20 | leftright | lots of custom builds, and not due to album art only |
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| 17:53:32 | Acksaw | this is annoying |
| 17:53:34 | Acksaw | i want album art :( |
| 17:53:40 | lex | :) |
| 17:53:52 | lex | i haven't tried those with rockbox |
| 17:54:06 | lex | i guess amarok can make wps' it wants |
| 17:54:08 | leftright | get a build that supports it, and check out a forum at mistic that supports album art |
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| 17:54:19 | Acksaw | my build does support it |
| 17:54:28 | Acksaw | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=37400 |
| 17:54:32 | Acksaw | i followed that guide |
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| 17:55:06 | leftright | ok, mistic has a forum for it, they are more likely to be able to assist you with a problem |
| 17:55:22 | freqmod | I tried to apply the album art patch once, and then rockbox stopped responding when i opened a file with art |
| 17:55:25 | Acksaw | i need it for tomorrow morning |
| 17:55:30 | ShadowdogMU | for scroll speed, which is faster, higher the number or lower? |
| 17:55:35 | ShadowdogMU | they all seem the same |
| 17:55:45 | leftright | higher faster |
| 17:55:55 | ShadowdogMU | thanks |
| 17:56:14 | rasher | freqmod: That's not due to the album art patch. The album art patch doesn't read album art from tags |
| 17:56:15 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, one more questions, I installed a skin, but it's messing up, the text is at the wrong spot |
| 17:56:37 | rasher | ShadowdogMU: have you installed the font pack from the daily build page? |
| 17:56:56 | ShadowdogMU | No sir |
| 17:56:58 | leftright | are you using the correct font for the skin |
| 17:57:06 | rasher | and by "install" I mean "unpack the zip file" |
| 17:57:12 | ShadowdogMU | well, yes |
| 17:57:14 | freqmod | no, i meant a file with a <filename>.bmp, or cover.bmp in the same directory (saved from gimp, which creates wps bmp's that works) |
| 17:57:21 | ShadowdogMU | That is what I am running, the daily build of Rockbox |
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| 17:57:36 | rasher | ShadowdogMU: you need to download the fonts pack as well, they're shipped seperately |
| 17:57:42 | rasher | (because they change rarely) |
| 17:57:54 | ShadowdogMU | I see |
| 17:58:02 | ShadowdogMU | thanks |
| 17:59:16 | Acksaw | the build im using says it has album art |
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| 18:00:31 | leftright | well, maybe album art needs to be sized, made smaller or something, i really dont know |
| 18:01:18 | Acksaw | i have done that |
| 18:01:20 | Acksaw | also |
| 18:01:26 | Acksaw | how do i turn repeat, shuffle off? |
| 18:01:34 | leftright | which player |
| 18:01:38 | Acksaw | h320 |
| 18:02:24 | leftright | a-b button>quick menu or... playback menu |
| 18:02:50 | Acksaw | i dont see quick menu or playback menu |
| 18:02:55 | leftright | might i suggest a quick read through the excellent manual as well |
| 18:03:01 | Acksaw | i woukld |
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| 18:03:13 | Acksaw | but i'm going on holiday in like 1 hour |
| 18:03:16 | Acksaw | im just getting my player sorted |
| 18:03:52 | Acksaw | i cant see either one of those menus mentioned |
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| 18:04:50 | rasher | Acksaw: hold the a-b button |
| 18:04:56 | rasher | This brings up the quick menu |
| 18:05:06 | Acksaw | hold up |
| 18:05:10 | Acksaw | my iriver seems to have froze# |
| 18:05:23 | Acksaw | but my wps is still moving =\ |
| 18:05:26 | rasher | Or, you can press the a-b button, which brings up the main menu, and from there, you can go to the playback menu and change repeat, shuffle and many other settings |
| 18:05:26 | leftright | you have hold on, deselect hold |
| 18:05:42 | Acksaw | no, ni i dont |
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| 18:06:18 | rasher | You might want to bring something suitable for pressing the reset button if you're going on holiday, and bringing an experimental build |
| 18:07:03 | leftright | experimental build an paperclip go together very well |
| 18:08:40 | Acksaw | sorted |
| 18:08:47 | Acksaw | but |
| 18:09:04 | Acksaw | mp3's wont play |
| 18:09:04 | Acksaw | but wavpack wil |
| 18:09:17 | rasher | What do you mean they won't play? |
| 18:09:30 | Acksaw | they aint playing |
| 18:09:51 | rasher | Do they stutter, is the WPS on, but the time not moving, do they crash the player? Please be more precies |
| 18:10:01 | rasher | (and if you are, I'll try to type better) |
| 18:10:18 | muesli__ | leftright bs..didnt need any clip 4 ages |
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| 18:10:40 | Acksaw | no codec is working |
| 18:10:42 | Acksaw | no sound |
| 18:10:48 | Acksaw | no movement on the music time |
| 18:10:54 | Acksaw | but everything else works |
| 18:11:06 | muesli__ | reset the settings |
| 18:11:11 | Acksaw | how? |
| 18:11:16 | leftright | heh |
| 18:11:24 | rasher | I'm going to go ahead and blame your usage of an experimental build. |
| 18:11:33 | muesli__ | press rec while booting |
| 18:11:36 | Acksaw | it was wroking before |
| 18:12:33 | Acksaw | working now |
| 18:13:38 | muesli__ | how did u solve it? |
| 18:13:56 | Acksaw | the settings clearing |
| 18:14:07 | muesli__ | c ;) |
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| 18:14:34 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 18:14:45 | leftright | you're trying to get it to work by pressing buttons at random, you'll get there, but its much quicker to just read the key functions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart#iriver_Models |
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| 18:16:59 | daurnimator | is there a group of people, or company where you can have input on an upcoming player? |
| 18:17:13 | daurnimator | also, does anyone know of any development for the cowon a2 |
| 18:18:12 | leftright | the rockbox forum has a thread for unsupported daps, and there isn't any support for the a2 |
| 18:18:27 | rasher | daurnimator: I don't understand the first question. As for the second, not that I know of |
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| 18:19:29 | daurnimator | rasher: i'm not particulary happy with any of the current/upcoming offerings in portable devices - is there a company or group of people who can get stuff made or are looking for suggestions? |
| 18:19:36 | daurnimator | eg. neuros |
| 18:20:13 | rasher | I think your absolute best bet there is Neuros. And even then, not so much. |
| 18:20:49 | rasher | By the way, the A2 appears to be using similar hardware to the next-gen Neuros |
| 18:20:49 | daurnimator | :( |
| 18:21:01 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 18:21:06 | daurnimator | all newish players are on that ti chip |
| 18:21:10 | leftright | besides neuros, rockbox is the only other dap firmware developer that cares about firmware, and input from customers |
| 18:21:20 | daurnimator | (dm32)) |
| 18:21:22 | daurnimator | (dm320) |
| 18:21:47 | rasher | Well, that and PP, it seems |
| 18:21:55 | daurnimator | pp? |
| 18:21:58 | rasher | dm320 if you want video |
| 18:22:00 | rasher | portalplayer |
| 18:22:24 | ShadowdogMU | linuxstb, rasher thanks for all your help! |
| 18:22:30 | ShadowdogMU | I finally got it all figured out, http://www.brockarthur.com/zupload/dump%20060804-121832.bmp |
| 18:23:06 | rasher | ShadowdogMU: you're welcome |
| 18:23:41 | rasher | And you even managed a screen dump, it seems |
| 18:23:47 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, now it works :) |
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| 18:23:57 | Slasheri | linuxstb: but i don't think it's very userfriendly yet ;) |
| 18:24:56 | leftright | Slasheri: you latest commit, is that to fix the end of track bug ? |
| 18:25:11 | Slasheri | leftright: not really, that needs more investigation |
| 18:25:16 | daurnimator | so |
| 18:25:23 | leftright | thanks |
| 18:25:30 | daurnimator | who wants to start a group and get a player made? ;) |
| 18:25:34 | Slasheri | leftright: but it should fix the skipping with runtimedb |
| 18:25:38 | ShadowdogMU | Yes, rasher that is my screendump |
| 18:25:38 | daurnimator | just a trip to china, and a heap of work |
| 18:27:16 | leftright | ah ok, thought that was a fix for the end of track, was wondering why it didn't really fix it :> |
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| 18:28:22 | rasher | Bagder: What are you going to do about mi4code? It'd be nice to have it in Rockbox, but "MrH" doesn't seem like a realname to me :-/ |
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| 18:35:49 | rasher | Whoa, my latest voice file is 1.3mb |
| 18:35:52 | rasher | that's some improvement |
| 18:35:58 | rasher | I wonder what happened |
| 18:36:17 | rasher | That's actually usable |
| 18:36:54 | daurnimator | anyway |
| 18:37:04 | daurnimator | i hope to start a newport of rockbox soon |
| 18:37:15 | daurnimator | just hope my coding skills are up to it |
| 18:37:21 | rasher | Whic target? |
| 18:37:37 | daurnimator | gmini 402(cc) |
| 18:37:44 | rasher | How do I ¤#/%(!=" stop Ubuntu from starting Rhythmbox every time I plug my iriver? |
| 18:38:26 | rasher | I *GUESS* it's by ticking that little box |
| 18:38:30 | rasher | unticking, rather |
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| 18:38:41 | rasher | Damn Ubuntu and its userfriendly face |
| 18:38:46 | daurnimator | arm |
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| 18:38:47 | daurnimator | arg |
| 18:38:58 | daurnimator | i think i threw out my stereo remote |
| 18:39:27 | leftright | good excuse to get an iriver e10 |
| 18:40:26 | daurnimator | ?? |
| 18:42:33 | leftright | e10 doubles a tv remote |
| 18:42:50 | leftright | suppose you cold program it for your hifi as well |
| 18:43:06 | leftright | cold/could |
| 18:44:57 | rasher | Dammit, the 1.3mb voice only happened because I threw out half the strings by accident |
| 18:45:00 | rasher | back to the drawing board |
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| 18:49:26 | ShadowdogMU | Hey, does Rockbox support iTrip? |
| 18:50:36 | ShadowdogMU | or will I have to switch to regular firmware |
| 18:51:19 | rasher | It does not, no. |
| 18:51:32 | rasher | You will either have to wait, or get a regular FM transmitter |
| 18:51:45 | ShadowdogMU | Ug, but it will if I switch to Apple's firmware? |
| 18:52:16 | rasher | What is the question? |
| 18:52:48 | rasher | Yes, Apple's firmware supports the iTrip, obviously. |
| 18:52:49 | ShadowdogMU | Will iTrip work then if I switch back to Apple's firmware, via reset > menu button |
| 18:53:10 | rasher | Of course |
| 18:53:11 | ShadowdogMU | Well, I mean does it work with Rockbox on there as well, just switching between the 2? |
| 18:53:13 | ShadowdogMU | Ok good |
| 18:53:25 | ShadowdogMU | when I drive I'll use Apple's, all other occasions I'll use Rockbox |
| 18:53:32 | rasher | Sounds like a plan |
| 18:53:38 | ShadowdogMU | Thanks again :P |
| 18:53:47 | ShadowdogMU | I'll leave now so I quit bombarding you with questions |
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| 18:54:27 | rasher | Okay, so who was the genious who decided that split filesize should be voiced as amount of milliseconds? |
| 18:55:17 | rasher | And somewhat broken as well |
| 18:57:39 | rasher | Ah, so instaed of saying "Megabyte" it says "some outlandish amount of milliseconds" |
| 18:58:34 | rasher | That's just... horrible. |
| 18:59:59 | rasher | 1024 17070484 milliseconds is not as "listenable" as "1 gigabyte" |
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| 19:00:05 | Slasheri | Ah, now one can select "rockbox.iriver" or "bootloader.iriver" and "Open with" iriver_flash plugin. Then it will check proper checksums (if bootloader is selected, checking hardcoded crc32 checksum) and do the requested action |
| 19:00:28 | rasher | Ah, Flasheri in action! |
| 19:00:33 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 19:00:42 | Slasheri | now i have even custom bootloader running on my unit |
| 19:00:55 | rasher | Adventurous |
| 19:01:42 | rasher | How much boot time does it give? |
| 19:01:47 | rasher | Or take, rather |
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| 19:02:45 | Slasheri | hmm, it will save a few seconds (haven't done exact measurements yet) |
| 19:03:01 | Slasheri | but it will save even further when we can take the eeprom in use |
| 19:03:26 | rasher | What would that be used for? |
| 19:03:30 | Slasheri | so we can load serialized dircache image directly from disk at bootup and that way speed up the boot process |
| 19:03:52 | Slasheri | it would contain a flag if it's safe to use the stored dircache image or not |
| 19:04:05 | rasher | I see |
| 19:05:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 19:06:37 | * | rasher boggles |
| 19:06:55 | rasher | UNIT_MB turns into "17070484 milliseconds" when spoken |
| 19:06:57 | rasher | Apparently |
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| 19:10:58 | rasher | Something is definately broken there, but talk.c is all greek to me |
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| 19:18:48 | XavierGr | rasher then I could help :P |
| 19:21:28 | Slasheri | Now rockbox also defaults to rockbox usb mode when rockbox has been flashed, unless record button is pressed on bootup |
| 19:22:57 | rasher | Would it be possible to load OF from disk? |
| 19:23:18 | Slasheri | not yet until someone finds out how to load it to ram |
| 19:23:23 | Slasheri | but in theory that should be possible |
| 19:28:14 | amiconn | rasher: Why don't you use output_dyn_value() ? |
| 19:28:45 | rasher | amiconn: I'm looking at the file-split menu |
| 19:28:52 | rasher | It's spoken outrageously |
| 19:29:24 | amiconn | That function is intended for outputting values which can have a high range. It always outputs 3 significant digits, shifting the decimal point and unit as necessary |
| 19:29:35 | amiconn | Both for text and spoken output |
| 19:30:42 | rasher | sound_settings.c:374 |
| 19:31:00 | rasher | Is the menu responsible |
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| 19:37:43 | amiconn | rasher: I thought you were coding something. The menu should work correctly... |
| 19:38:12 | rasher | amiconn: Ah.. Well, it's being voiced as "17070484 milliseconds" instead of "megabytes" |
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| 19:39:13 | Ptah | Hi there |
| 19:39:34 | rasher | Good $timeofday |
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| 19:43:04 | bernych | Hi, folks. I'm doing a plugin that work as an instrument tuner. If I get sound data from a file it works well. Now I need to read the a audio buffer with mic data. |
| 19:43:12 | bernych | Any idea how to do it? |
| 19:43:42 | bernych | I need at least 1-2 seconds of values |
| 19:44:19 | rasher | Coolness. I have absolutely no idea though. |
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| 19:45:48 | bernych | This should be similar to the prerecording feature, but almost all functions that work on the audio buffer are declared static |
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| 19:53:52 | bernych | noone there? |
| 19:55:45 | Mikachu | no one with a clue at least |
| 19:56:04 | bernych | ;-) |
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| 20:16:52 | Slasheri | linuxstb: if everything goes well, you can probably have a patch tomorrow capable of upgrading bootloader and rockbox flash sections |
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| 20:17:38 | Slasheri | currently it doesn't ask if user really wants to do it, but it does if all checks pass without errors |
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| 20:18:52 | harry| | yo |
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| 20:26:53 | Slasheri | hmm, i wonder if it's safe to replace the default stack pointer 0x10004310 with 0x10017ff0 (the one that compiler suggests) for the first word in flash or is there any need to do that? LinusN? |
| 20:27:12 | Slasheri | i just don't want to brick the unit :) |
| 20:28:33 | pepie34 | is the new code for COP on ipod is specific of the rockbox bootloader or it can be used with the ipl bootoader? |
| 20:29:45 | pepie34 | after looking at the code I still not understand how to make the COP jump to a specific code from the CPU |
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| 20:44:27 | ShadowdogMU | Why does Doom not work, I thought it was included now? |
| 20:44:43 | pepie34 | do you have wad? |
| 20:45:12 | ShadowdogMU | I downloaded, created a directory games/doom and put it in there |
| 20:45:16 | ShadowdogMU | but it still says missing base WAD |
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| 20:46:55 | ShadowdogMU | did I do something wrong? |
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| 20:47:00 | Mikachu | apparently |
| 20:47:04 | Mikachu | the filename has to be right too |
| 20:47:12 | pepie34 | games/ |
| 20:47:14 | pepie34 | ? |
| 20:47:21 | pepie34 | directly |
| 20:47:22 | ShadowdogMU | I'll redo it |
| 20:47:29 | ShadowdogMU | wait not in .rockbox? |
| 20:47:33 | pepie34 | i do not remember |
| 20:47:35 | Mikachu | /games/doom/doom1.wad |
| 20:47:47 | ShadowdogMU | what about doom2.wad, I did freedoom |
| 20:47:48 | pepie34 | no /media/ipod/games |
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| 20:47:57 | Mikachu | if it was in .rockbox it would say .rockbox in the instructions |
| 20:48:04 | pepie34 | yes me either |
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| 20:48:31 | ShadowdogMU | which one media/ipod/games or games/doom/doom.wad? |
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| 20:51:39 | pepie34 | pup |
| 20:51:42 | pepie34 | pup |
| 20:51:58 | ShadowdogMU | F:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad |
| 20:52:00 | ShadowdogMU | is that correct? |
| 20:52:01 | pepie34 | /media/ipod/games/doom/doom.wad on linux d:\games\doom\doom.wad on windows |
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| 20:52:33 | pepie34 | or f: apparently in your case |
| 20:52:33 | ShadowdogMU | ok, I did what I pasted, and it still says missing base wad |
| 20:53:16 | ShadowdogMU | does it need to be named doom.wad or is rockdoom.wad ok? |
| 20:53:38 | Mikachu | the rockdoom.wad you download should be called rockdoom.wad, and the actual game wad should be called something else |
| 20:53:52 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, do I put that in the same directory then? |
| 20:53:59 | ShadowdogMU | doom2.wad is what I am downloading now, freedoom |
| 20:53:59 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:54:08 | ShadowdogMU | both are in F:\games\doom ? |
| 20:54:11 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:54:18 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, let me try this again |
| 20:55:15 | ShadowdogMU | I love you Mikachu and pepie34 |
| 20:55:29 | pepie34 | no thanks |
| 20:55:30 | pepie34 | :) |
| 20:55:38 | ShadowdogMU | platonically :P |
| 20:55:44 | pepie34 | i'm yet engaged |
| 20:55:48 | ShadowdogMU | Know any other good games for my iPod? |
| 20:55:54 | ShadowdogMU | I read someehere HL? |
| 20:56:03 | Mikachu | that is just an addon for doom |
| 20:56:13 | ShadowdogMU | half life is? |
| 20:56:19 | Mikachu | no, what you read about |
| 20:56:48 | ShadowdogMU | Yeah, I read somewhere someone had half life on there iPod |
| 20:57:02 | Mikachu | but what they really had was an addon for doom |
| 20:57:23 | ShadowdogMU | hmm, know where I can get it? |
| 20:57:49 | Mikachu | nope |
| 20:59:05 | ShadowdogMU | doom scared me, lol |
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| 20:59:18 | Mikachu | heh |
| 20:59:22 | Mikachu | have you never played it before? |
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| 21:00:46 | ShadowdogMU | Yes, a looooong ways back |
| 21:00:50 | ShadowdogMU | brings back memories |
| 21:01:06 | Mikachu | too bad you can't enter iddqd on an ipod |
| 21:02:16 | ShadowdogMU | <3 |
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| 21:02:18 | | Nick [1]leftright is now known as leftright (n=leftrigh@p5499542E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:03:04 | leftright | oi who did that |
| 21:03:12 | * | Mikachu hides |
| 21:04:06 | leftright | hmm, maybe its a setting somewhere |
| 21:05:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 21:06:41 | dionoea | 'evening |
| 21:13:41 | ShadowdogMU | I don't think half life works with Rockbox, only iPodLinux |
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| 21:27:10 | webguest42 | hello |
| 21:27:17 | | Nick webguest42 is now known as anglexx (n=453544d6@labb.contactor.se) |
| 21:27:31 | anglexx | how well does rockbox work for the ipod |
| 21:27:39 | dionoea | works great here |
| 21:27:55 | Mikachu | i think there are only problems on 3g |
| 21:28:04 | anglexx | i have the 4g click wheel one |
| 21:28:19 | dionoea | there is some audio skipping if you play some games while playing music ... but other than that it rocks |
| 21:28:20 | apo` | Go get rockbox, then |
| 21:28:25 | ^jhMikeS^ | Is there some reason that at least on the X5 just after setting KEEPACT low, that there must be a "while(1) yield" instead of simply asm("halt")? |
| 21:28:39 | anglexx | ill get it when i get home |
| 21:29:32 | ShadowdogMU | Rockbox rocks |
| 21:29:35 | ShadowdogMU | I just switched today |
| 21:30:13 | ^jhMikeS^ | Another convert! |
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| 21:31:02 | ShadowdogMU | <3 gameboy emulator |
| 21:31:25 | cehdk | hello, im having some problems with the progressbar position in the nobusan build for the h3xx, when i chose a theme, does anyone know anything about this? |
| 21:31:47 | anglexx | mm im currrently ripping all my music to FLAC |
| 21:31:53 | cehdk | s |
| 21:32:07 | ^jhMikeS^ | Beuhler, Beuhler? anyone, anyone? :) |
| 21:32:32 | ShadowdogMU | Oh, one question I had, can you not do select > scroll to go through a song? |
| 21:32:42 | Mikachu | ShadowdogMU: just hold down next/prev |
| 21:32:58 | anglexx | so rockbox doesnt mess with anything as in u can still add and del songs? |
| 21:33:06 | anglexx | normally? |
| 21:33:14 | Mikachu | you don't have to use itunes |
| 21:33:19 | ShadowdogMU | But you still can |
| 21:33:33 | Mikachu | if you prefer to just have a directory structure, that is fine too |
| 21:33:51 | anglexx | whatever works best |
| 21:35:09 | Febs | WTF? I just got two private messages in the forum from someone asking questions about installation. He says, "send me personal message only" |
| 21:35:34 | dionoea | must be a spy |
| 21:35:40 | anglexx | hmm |
| 21:36:24 | cehdk | noone has any experience with the progresbar being "misplaced" when using a theme? |
| 21:36:26 | anglexx | as long as i can add a whole album without too much hassle thats enough for me |
| 21:36:40 | Febs | cehdk: Many people have problems with that. |
| 21:37:01 | Mikachu | wrong font then |
| 21:37:05 | Febs | It's because you are using a theme that was designed for a patch that was subsequently withdrawn by the author. |
| 21:37:11 | Mikachu | or that |
| 21:40:14 | ShadowdogMU | My experience with messed up themes was I just needed to install the font packl |
| 21:41:07 | cehdk | tried many fonts without luck and it dosent seem to work with the font that belongs to the theme either |
| 21:41:45 | cehdk | so i should just forget about that theme then? |
| 21:42:09 | ShadowdogMU | No |
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| 21:42:12 | ShadowdogMU | Try the font pack |
| 21:42:32 | ShadowdogMU | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060804.zip |
| 21:43:02 | ShadowdogMU | Download that, the latest font pack, and install (just drag the .rockbox folder from the zip over your .rockbox folder on your music player and hit "yes to all") |
| 21:45:38 | ShadowdogMU | When I am at the Artists > Albums > Genres > Ect. screen, how do I get back to the first screen with calendar/notes/ all that |
| 21:45:38 | ShadowdogMU | ? |
| 21:45:48 | cehdk | ok ty |
| 21:46:08 | ShadowdogMU | Anytime, did it work? |
| 21:46:19 | dionoea | ShadowdogMU: long click on menu |
| 21:46:24 | dionoea | and change the file display option |
| 21:47:04 | ShadowdogMU | <3 |
| 21:50:12 | cehdk | nope dosent work with the font thing, if i use the rockbox latest build the theme works, if i use the nobusan build it dosent : / |
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| 21:51:09 | Munt | hey guys, i was wondering if there was any news on m4a support on the ipod |
| 21:51:41 | Munt | its not supposed to work is it ? |
| 21:52:43 | Munt | is it time to convert to ogg to you'se reckon? |
| 21:53:00 | Munt | do8 |
| 21:53:27 | Munt | nvm ... take care enjoy the ipod hacking good sirs |
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| 21:54:11 | cehdk | file display option? |
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| 22:00:36 | cehdk | sorry got kicked off |
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| 22:01:17 | Mikachu | if it works with the official build, i don't think anyone here can help you... |
| 22:01:35 | Mikachu | unless you're lucky |
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| 22:02:43 | freqmod | Is there any native rockbox type for (u)int(16|32)_t |
| 22:03:46 | freqmod | ? |
| 22:04:44 | Slasheri | ah, now it's even possible to upgrade bootloader inside rockbox.. didn't brick my unit and all checksum + crc32 checks are in place :) |
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| 22:05:58 | dionoea | does the menu api have a doc somewhere ? or comments ? |
| 22:06:19 | * | freqmod has to use *int(16|32)_t to make bmp loading work on 64 bits simulators |
| 22:10:28 | XavierGr | Flasheri once again on the work! |
| 22:11:43 | ShadowdogMU | Rockbox doesn't play AAC does it? |
| 22:12:38 | ShadowdogMU | wait, it does |
| 22:12:39 | ShadowdogMU | locked up |
| 22:13:09 | netmasta10bt | i can't get backlight.c to compile for the h10/e200 ports −− says PACR1 and PAIORH undefined |
| 22:15:18 | netmasta10bt | using today's daily cvs tarball |
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| 22:18:01 | linuxstb | netmasta10bt: Are you trying to compile the bootloader or Rockbox itself? |
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| 22:19:25 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hi :) would you like to try soon? |
| 22:19:28 | netmasta10bt | uhm, well i followed the INSTALL doc, to make a build dir , ran ../tools/configure , picked e200 or h10, and then ran make |
| 22:19:40 | netmasta10bt | i think thats the firmware |
| 22:20:36 | linuxstb | Slasheri: If you think it's safe... I'm going to a beer festival during the day tomorrow, so probably best if I don't try tomorrow night :) |
| 22:20:57 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 22:21:23 | Slasheri | i think it should be safe now, but there is not yet a direct way to restore the original firmware |
| 22:21:24 | linuxstb | netmasta10bt: It's too early to follow the INSTALL doc. AFAIK, only the bootloader compiles, and even that doesn't do anything useful. |
| 22:21:48 | linuxstb | That's OK, I've only ever used it to flash the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 22:21:57 | netmasta10bt | linuxstb, ah ok, do i need a diff tarball for the bootloader? |
| 22:21:58 | Slasheri | great :) |
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| 22:22:32 | Slasheri | hmm, i will make a patch soon about that and provide a pre-compiled bootloader with hard coded crc32 checks |
| 22:23:00 | linuxstb | netmasta10bt: No, it's the same source - but after selecting your target when running tools/configure, you select "B" for bootloader, instead of "N" for normal. |
| 22:23:22 | netmasta10bt | linuxstb: cool - thx! |
| 22:23:41 | linuxstb | netmasta10bt: Although I'm not 100% sure if the source tarball contains the bootloader - you're better off checking out the source from CVS. |
| 22:23:52 | dionoea | any idea why a menu wouldn't display entries ? |
| 22:24:12 | linuxstb | Slasheri: OK... Reminds me of the first time I flashed Linus's bootloader... |
| 22:24:26 | * | linuxstb charges his h140 |
| 22:25:10 | netmasta10bt | linuxstb: linuxstb: it looks like it built a 2k bootloader −− but it doesn't have any code −− so thats prolly right −− don't have cvs access behind the proxy here at work |
| 22:26:27 | linuxstb | 2k seems a bit small, but it may be right - none of the drivers are written yet... |
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| 22:34:32 | netmasta10bt | linuxstb: is the PP5022.mi4 the bootloader or is it the bootloader.bin or bootloader.elf in the bootloader dir ? |
| 22:38:24 | linuxstb | They're all the bootloader, but in different formats... PP5022.mi4 is the file you copy to your player, bootloader.bin is just the raw binary image, and the .elf is an elf format binary. |
| 22:49:47 | Bagder | netmasta10bt: what target do you have? |
| 22:51:34 | netmasta10bt | e200 |
| 22:52:03 | Bagder | so build a bootloader and add your test code in bootloader/e200.c |
| 22:52:35 | Bagder | 0xc2000000 is probably the base offset for LCD registers |
| 22:53:30 | netmasta10bt | ok, and to get the orig bootloader back, I boot into recovery mode right |
| 22:53:36 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:53:52 | Bagder | and when you do the recovery mode fix you must also copy the original BL* file |
| 22:54:19 | Bagder | I think |
| 22:54:30 | netmasta10bt | eek |
| 22:54:57 | Bagder | you get that file when you run an official sandisk upgrade |
| 22:55:43 | netmasta10bt | ok, so recovery mode looks like it wipes the partitions |
| 22:55:58 | Bagder | yes, it comes up in a special mode with no partitions |
| 22:56:32 | netmasta10bt | then the sandisk firmware upgrade software will remake the partitions and copy the bootloader back |
| 22:56:59 | Bagder | I think recovery mode just shows another part of the flash, the original is still there - just not shown |
| 22:57:37 | Bagder | and yes, when you disconnect it will move the mi4 to the proper place, use the BL file and then reboot |
| 22:57:54 | netmasta10bt | ok, but the sandisk s/w will copy the BL back ? or do i do that somehow |
| 22:58:10 | Bagder | you just copy the BL and mi4 to the root and disconnect and it'll fix the rest |
| 22:58:19 | netmasta10bt | ok |
| 22:59:37 | Slasheri | linuxstb: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/h140_flash.patch and http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/bootloader.iriver |
| 22:59:42 | Slasheri | linuxstb: good luck! ;) |
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| 23:00:57 | Slasheri | linuxstb: at first you should probably flash the bootloader (bootloader.iriver -> open with -> iriver_flash) and after that similar way the rockbox.iriver |
| 23:01:00 | Slasheri | then reboot :) |
| 23:01:10 | Slasheri | (if there were no errors displayed |
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| 23:03:04 | Bagder | netmasta10bt: unfortunately I've not yet got any signs of my own code actually running on the sansa since there's no way to give feedback yet |
| 23:04:23 | netmasta10bt | bagder: yeah, getting the lcd going is key |
| 23:04:29 | Bagder | indeed |
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| 23:04:49 | karim | salut |
| 23:05:05 | Bagder | "arm-elf-objdump -d −−target binary -marm -Mforce-thumb BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom" ;-) |
| 23:05:34 | Bagder | argh, -D of course |
| 23:05:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:05:47 | netmasta10bt | i grabbed u'rs already |
| 23:05:49 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Downloading now... Don't go away :) |
| 23:05:58 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hehe :) |
| 23:06:31 | linuxstb | md5sum check: 227d7903049b0201140888bf9cfd94ad bootloader.iriver |
| 23:06:57 | Slasheri | that is good |
| 23:07:34 | Slasheri | and don't worry, even the flash routines have double calculated checksum check for the bootloader :) |
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| 23:08:42 | linuxstb | Why would I worry? |
| 23:08:54 | Slasheri | i don't know |
| 23:09:05 | karim | my H300 battery totally dies when I try to play a movie |
| 23:09:05 | netmasta10bt | bagder: im getting a 2k .mi4 file is that right for cvs? |
| 23:09:05 | Slasheri | well, everything could still go wrong but shouldn't |
| 23:09:13 | karim | on the original firmware |
| 23:09:22 | Bagder | netmasta10bt: sounds right, the code does almost nothing |
| 23:10:53 | karim | anyone here have bought a new battery for H300 ? |
| 23:12:42 | Bger | karim: |
| 23:12:46 | Bger | i had the same issue |
| 23:12:53 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Something happened very quickly when I ran iriver_flash with the bootloader.iriver and then I was put back in the file browser. Is that OK? |
| 23:13:03 | karim | Bger: you changed it ? |
| 23:13:06 | Bger | karim: no |
| 23:13:11 | karim | I have purshassed one |
| 23:13:12 | Bger | try to reset the iriver fw settings |
| 23:13:15 | Slasheri | yes, sounds good. every checks went fine and no error message was displayed |
| 23:13:21 | karim | I am waiting it |
| 23:13:25 | Slasheri | now you can boot if you want, or flash the second image |
| 23:13:26 | Bger | i don't think the problem is in the battery itself |
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| 23:13:42 | Slasheri | linuxstb: and now it should be safe to flash the rockbox image |
| 23:13:45 | Bger | because i still get very good runtime with rockbox |
| 23:13:52 | karim | Bger: the first symptoms appeared when transfering data through USB |
| 23:13:57 | linuxstb | Slasheri: OK - just the normal rockbox.iriver (the one I just compiled)? |
| 23:14:04 | Bger | karim: under the original fw ? |
| 23:14:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes |
| 23:14:14 | karim | the H300 hd made strange noise, and the H300 shutted down |
| 23:14:26 | karim | Bger: under rockbox |
| 23:14:31 | Bger | hum |
| 23:14:36 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Seems OK... Now a reboot? |
| 23:14:42 | karim | and it did the same on iriver |
| 23:14:51 | Slasheri | linuxstb: great, lets hope it work :) |
| 23:14:54 | karim | the batery is 15 months old |
| 23:15:10 | karim | most of the time they dies after this lenght |
| 23:15:18 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I'm happy :) |
| 23:15:25 | Slasheri | \o/ |
| 23:15:28 | linuxstb | An extremely fast boot-up... |
| 23:15:38 | Bger | karim: huh |
| 23:15:56 | karim | Bger: by the way I reflashed to 1.29k, because with 1.30 there was no video |
| 23:15:56 | ShadowdogMU | So linuxstb, are you a coder for Rockbox or something? |
| 23:16:00 | Bger | my h340 is 1 year and a half old |
| 23:16:09 | Bger | i'm with 1.29k |
| 23:16:18 | linuxstb | ShadowdogMU: Yes. |
| 23:16:20 | karim | Bger: then your battery probably have issues too |
| 23:16:40 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Nice work. |
| 23:16:40 | Bger | karim: then how do i have still good runtime under rockbox ? |
| 23:16:51 | karim | Bger: in fact the battery have problems, you can check that in rockbox debug info |
| 23:16:52 | XavierGr | linxustb so now you have flashed you H100? |
| 23:16:54 | ShadowdogMU | so linuxstb can you tell me if there are plan to support video on the iPod in the works, or at least planned? |
| 23:17:02 | karim | after a shutdown, the power level is very low |
| 23:17:04 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Yes - my h140. |
| 23:17:09 | XavierGr | nice |
| 23:17:14 | Bger | XavierGr: ;) |
| 23:17:24 | Slasheri | linuxstb: thanks for testing it :) |
| 23:17:27 | | Part jaczehack |
| 23:17:29 | XavierGr | but that means that if you want to upgrade your build you should flash again right? |
| 23:17:42 | karim | for exemple after try to read a movie, when I booted on rockbox again the battery was empty, whie it was half empty just a few seconds before |
| 23:17:53 | Bger | karim: yes |
| 23:17:57 | Bger | and after some time |
| 23:18:06 | Bger | its voltage level rises again |
| 23:18:12 | karim | I think the battery can't handle anymore beeing drained a lot of power. |
| 23:18:21 | Slasheri | maybe i will prepare that soon for inclusion in cvs (even more checks and some user verification message for the bootloader flashing at least) |
| 23:18:24 | linuxstb | ShadowdogMU: Rockbox's main focus is on audio playback - none of the main developers consider video a high priority. But saying that, I'm sure it will happen eventually, it just needs someone to come along and do it. |
| 23:18:32 | Bger | karim: maybe ... |
| 23:18:33 | karim | so with cpu intesive task + hard drice intensive it dies |
| 23:18:48 | karim | that's why a movie kills it in an instance in my case |
| 23:18:59 | bluebrother | Slasheri, can you also reflash a patched OF? |
| 23:19:05 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, well tell me if this is possible then, could there be a way to import iTunes EQ settings? |
| 23:19:16 | karim | Bger: I pretty sure it's the reason, the device never been damaged |
| 23:19:19 | XavierGr | Slasheri you should! Flashing the H100 is very good to do. Especially now that Rockbox has nothing less than OF on H100 |
| 23:19:21 | Bger | karim: what replacement battery did you buy ? |
| 23:19:28 | Slasheri | bluebrother: that feature is not yet included in the flash routine |
| 23:19:30 | karim | Bger: wait |
| 23:20:06 | Slasheri | XavierGr: hehe, true :) i still have to test the eeprom driver so flashing would have a real benefit then |
| 23:20:12 | bluebrother | have you planned it? I guess there are still some users that will eventually want to go back |
| 23:20:17 | linuxstb | ShadowdogMU: Yes, it's possible. But again, no-one is keen on supporting proprietory software like itunes, so it's a job waiting for someone who wants that feature to come along and implement it. |
| 23:21:03 | ShadowdogMU | Hehe, what can I say =D |
| 23:21:04 | karim | http://www.batteryupgrade.com/product_detail.php?productId=18292211 Bger |
| 23:21:06 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I forgot to ask, how do I choose which Rockbox to run - disk or flash? |
| 23:21:18 | linuxstb | (can I choose?) |
| 23:22:04 | Bger | karim: aha, 10x;) |
| 23:23:04 | linuxstb | XavierGr: There are still two things the original firmware can do on the h1x0 - WMA playback and realtime recording to MP3.... |
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| 23:23:31 | bluebrother | karim, have you seen http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/Customize_Your_H3xx#Internal_battery ? |
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| 23:24:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb: you can press rec on bootup, that will load image always from disk |
| 23:24:23 | Slasheri | using rec is also necessary to access the bootloader usb mode |
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| 23:24:38 | karim | bluebrother: is there a risk I regret something when seeing this link ? |
| 23:24:50 | linuxstb | Thanks. So holding REC basically mimics the old behaviour? |
| 23:24:55 | Bger | karim: the price maybe... |
| 23:24:57 | Slasheri | yep |
| 23:25:04 | bluebrother | I guess not. |
| 23:25:31 | Slasheri | and erasing rockbox from flash (not yet possible with the plugin), bootloader defaults to the disk image |
| 23:25:32 | karim | Bger: price is ok, I now I could have found for less on ebay |
| 23:25:51 | version7 | sup got a question for anyone. i'm trying to find out if rockbox will let me use the menu functions of the ipod while viewing the menus on a tv with the video out? |
| 23:25:54 | Slasheri | and then pressing rec would start iriver fw (if that is present) |
| 23:26:01 | linuxstb | How much FLASH is there? |
| 23:26:07 | Slasheri | linuxstb: 2 MB |
| 23:26:14 | bluebrother | btw, is there a possibility to run the OF from disk? |
| 23:26:19 | linuxstb | Lots of space... |
| 23:26:35 | freqmod | version7: i don't think so as ipod doesn't support the video chip (and i think that drives video out) |
| 23:26:36 | Slasheri | true, rockbox uses only about 340 KiB of that |
| 23:26:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | version7: Rockbox doesn't have a video out feature yet. |
| 23:27:01 | version7 | k thanks thats all i needed to know |
| 23:27:14 | linuxstb | version7: Feel free to help get it working though... |
| 23:27:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Would there be any way to load a few codecs into flash as well? |
| 23:27:18 | karim | bluebrother: I have read various threads on rockbox. |
| 23:27:27 | version7 | haha i wouldnt have a clue ;) |
| 23:27:27 | karim | bluebrother: on misticrivier |
| 23:27:34 | karim | bluebrother: not rockbox |
| 23:27:43 | karim | bluebrother: they advised to not buy on ebay |
| 23:27:46 | | Part version7 |
| 23:28:19 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: should be possible if we find that useful |
| 23:28:26 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I was thinking along those lines... Maybe voice clips would be a better use for the space though - if 1.6MB is enough. |
| 23:28:31 | karim | Paul_The_Nerd: rockbox does't have video at all |
| 23:28:38 | bluebrother | why not? Maybe I'll be searching for a new battery for my h120 eventually. |
| 23:28:49 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: in fact, it could be possible to create some kind of read only filesystem to the rockbox section on the flash |
| 23:28:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | karim: Lack of video is different from lack of video out. Video out would let you display WPS and menus on a TV. Different features entirely |
| 23:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Voice is a very good idea. I was thinking of aiming to get the codecs in there that the original firmware had, so that even on a wiped disk you had as a minimum the OF's functionality. |
| 23:29:59 | karim | Paul_The_Nerd: I just wanted to insist on the fact there is no video |
| 23:30:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is quite familiar with this fact. |
| 23:30:39 | linuxstb | Well, the codecs directory on my h140 is only 688KB - so that's feasible. |
| 23:30:46 | | Nick karim is now known as mirak (n=karim@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 23:30:53 | linuxstb | (260KB of that is the useless AAC codec) |
| 23:30:53 | bluebrother | cool :) |
| 23:30:54 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: I am reversed |
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| 23:31:17 | {edf}ss | hi all |
| 23:31:17 | Bagder | a reversed engineer? |
| 23:31:19 | {edf}ss | ooh mailing list? |
| 23:31:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: So, really, you could include all the codecs, and have a guaranteed minimally functional RB from flash maybe? |
| 23:31:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially if you didn't love the OF too much. |
| 23:32:48 | linuxstb | Anyone that flashes Rockbox obviously doesn't love the OF... |
| 23:32:53 | mirak | Bagder: that's pretty much that |
| 23:33:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: That's kinda how I feel about it. |
| 23:33:16 | {edf}ss | what's the OF? |
| 23:33:20 | Bagder | linuxstb: well, experience from Archos flashing say lots of people proceed without understanding what they are doing |
| 23:33:25 | mirak | original firmware |
| 23:33:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | {edf}ss: Original Firmware, in this case, of the H1xx players. |
| 23:33:56 | {edf}ss | I put rockbox on just for DooM, which I don't even play, it's just a fun gimmick |
| 23:34:01 | {edf}ss | Bejeweled is nice too |
| 23:34:13 | {edf}ss | any way to play M4Ps from iTunes? |
| 23:34:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those are encrypted, so no. |
| 23:34:39 | {edf}ss | I got a plugin for winamp that can do it |
| 23:35:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And winamp is running on the same computer you bought the songs on, right? |
| 23:35:51 | {edf}ss | yes, I'll see if it works on other systems later. |
| 23:36:09 | freqmod | {edf}ss: try the hymn-project |
| 23:36:16 | {edf}ss | to google! |
| 23:36:52 | linuxstb | Bagder: But can't you rolo an original firmware on the Archos devices? |
| 23:37:12 | Bagder | right, you can |
| 23:37:26 | Bagder | I'm just saying that some people go ahead and flash if it can be flashed |
| 23:37:50 | Bagder | people don't read before they do things |
| 23:38:01 | Bagder | only afterwards when things no longer work |
| 23:38:15 | * | freqmod does not link to any semi legal software (but google "i am feeling lucky" would do) |
| 23:38:22 | Bagder | which is why we should make Rockbox for robots instead |
| 23:38:26 | mirak | {edf}ss: doom is unplayable unfortunely |
| 23:38:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, a flashed Rockbox needs to be able to play music, no matter what, so that if someone reformats a flashed player, and sells it, there's not random acts of panic. |
| 23:38:45 | linuxstb | Bagder: I blame whoever decided to release binaries... |
| 23:38:51 | | Quit hotwire_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") |
| 23:38:51 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:38:52 | mirak | I am not sure one device have good controls enough to exploit it |
| 23:38:52 | linuxstb | With binaries come users... |
| 23:38:57 | Bagder | good point ;-) |
| 23:39:18 | Bagder | I feel a bit guilty |
| 23:39:39 | linuxstb | You and your automated build system.... |
| 23:39:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 23:40:14 | bluebrother | automated user-attraction system? |
| 23:40:17 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 23:40:21 | Bagder | will it help if I kneel and beg for forgiveness? |
| 23:40:28 | linuxstb | Just turn them off! |
| 23:40:33 | linuxstb | Close the forums. |
| 23:40:47 | * | Bagder adds random bytes in the binary packages |
| 23:40:48 | linuxstb | Delete those manuals |
| 23:40:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | And put up a big sign that says 'Shoo' |
| 23:41:08 | bluebrother | but ... without users what will the manual be for? And the work on the manual? |
| 23:41:27 | bluebrother | maybe we should replace all manuals with a simple big fat warning :) |
| 23:41:32 | Bagder | we'll use the manual to attract all the big money |
| 23:41:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1) Write manual. 2)??? 3)Profit? |
| 23:42:14 | bluebrother | 4) free players for all? *g* |
| 23:42:15 | freqmod | maybe you should place a big fat warning at the download page: Don't do anything before you have read the instructions |
| 23:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wouldn't help |
| 23:42:55 | freqmod | <font style="font-size:300%;color:red"> |
| 23:43:02 | Bagder | and then a picture on Linus next to that: "this man did, and look how he turned out" |
| 23:43:02 | bluebrother | I guess users will need a dedicated download page where they need to click a "I've read it" checkmark before they can download anything. |
| 23:43:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any warning that you do not enforce isn't worth the paper it's written on. And since this is digital, there's not even any of that. |
| 23:43:39 | bluebrother | maybe we could use recycled electrons ;-) |
| 23:43:49 | freqmod | bluebrother: you know how many that read licenses before they click "i agree"... |
| 23:43:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | We should password protect the .zip archives, and randomly hide a random password in different parts of the manual each day. So there. |
| 23:43:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 23:44:05 | | Join mkey [0] (n=mkey@pD9E36585.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:44:21 | Bagder | that's a forgotten gem |
| 23:44:29 | bluebrother | freqmod, unfortunately yes. But at least it is another thing they need to do. |
| 23:44:30 | Bagder | entering a word from the manual |
| 23:44:42 | bluebrother | Paul_The_Nerd, nice idea. |
| 23:44:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Page 37, paragraph 2, line 5, word 8. |
| 23:45:19 | Bagder | backwards |
| 23:45:21 | bluebrother | hmm, that could change too much. |
| 23:45:24 | * | freqmod goes in the manual to page 37 finds paragraph 2 line 5 word 8 |
| 23:45:30 | | Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-109-248.adsl.snet.net) |
| 23:45:57 | bluebrother | take the credits section. Word 38, word 21 and word 165 concatenated. Reversed. |
| 23:46:10 | bluebrother | freqmod, which manual? |
| 23:46:15 | BigMac | hey guys i have my first project for the ipod |
| 23:46:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or you could just label it "Closed Beta" and require people to fill out an application which includes questions from the manual. |
| 23:46:28 | BigMac | im going to try to make a parappa the rapper plugin |
| 23:46:43 | BigMac | the buttons would be intuitive |
| 23:46:56 | BigMac | it may be hard but i think itll be worth it |
| 23:47:04 | bluebrother | like "what is rockbox"? |
| 23:47:18 | freqmod | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060804.pdf page 37 : when (as in the current directory or playlist will not repeat _when_ it is finished) |
| 23:47:44 | Bagder | you passed! |
| 23:48:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It wasn't backwards. |
| 23:48:09 | freqmod | nehw |
| 23:48:15 | bluebrother | damn. There is no paragraph 2 with 5 lines. |
| 23:48:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm.. |
| 23:48:19 | * | freqmod does not use binary builds anyways |
| 23:48:23 | bluebrother | (h100 manual) |
| 23:48:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:48:50 | bluebrother | does this mean I'm required to buy an ipod? |
| 23:49:18 | {edf}ss | yes, RIGHT NOW |
| 23:49:23 | freqmod | no because there is no way to know what that is the second paragraph in the ipod manual eather |
| 23:49:44 | {edf}ss | freqmod I sent you a PM :) |
| 23:49:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | We could make it more difficult. |
| 23:49:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Word 3,768 of the manual |
| 23:50:07 | {edf}ss | that'd be like an old adventure game |
| 23:50:18 | * | freqmod can't see {edf]ss PM |
| 23:50:22 | bluebrother | great! Let's make a rockbox adventure! |
| 23:50:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd make it easier for an automatied system to set it as the password on the archive without having to parse a PDF first. |
| 23:50:36 | BigMac | brb gotta uninstall opera |
| 23:50:37 | {edf}ss | get one now freqmod ? |
| 23:50:44 | bluebrother | but a _bit_ harder for humans ;-) |
| 23:50:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's where all the fun is? |
| 23:51:06 | | Part BigMac |
| 23:51:08 | | Quit ShadowdogMU ("You know you'll miss me :P") |
| 23:51:26 | Bagder | "the first word in the manual with an 'e' as the third letter from the end" |
| 23:51:38 | * | freqmod sent a pm to edfss |
| 23:51:48 | bluebrother | {edf}ss, are you registered on freenode? If not you can't send PMs (afaik) |
| 23:52:03 | {edf}ss | I don't know if I'm registered, but he managed to see and answer me |
| 23:52:25 | freqmod | no i could not see you, and i am registred |
| 23:52:33 | bluebrother | how about questions like "what's the wiki page for ... (fill in something)" |
| 23:52:38 | {edf}ss | oh, I asked if you've personally used hymn? |
| 23:52:56 | freqmod | no |
| 23:53:13 | freqmod | i haven't used the iTunes store at all |
| 23:54:02 | {edf}ss | ok thanks. |
| 23:54:10 | linuxstb | I used it once - to buy an "itunes-exclusive" track, and was scared at how quick and easy it was... |
| 23:54:20 | | Quit Acksaw ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 23:54:34 | linuxstb | I've never dared go back. |
| 23:55:24 | {edf}ss | I too got some itunes exclusives, and want them playable in other programs etc |
| 23:56:52 | {edf}ss | the hymn page seems to have died :/ |
| 23:57:31 | freqmod | it worked for me 20 min ago |
| 23:57:37 | freqmod | but now it has died |
| 23:58:04 | {edf}ss | yeah I downloaded the app, but I'm looking for support |
| 23:58:16 | {edf}ss | it has a checkbox with: |
| 23:58:17 | {edf}ss | "Automatically deauthorize the FairKeys fake computer 3-5 minutes after acquiring your keys (use this option with caution)" ? |
| 23:58:54 | linuxstb | This isn't the place to talk about hymn... |
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