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#rockbox log for 2006-08-13

00:00:02Rudy4PezAnyone know exactly what was done there?
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00:09:52Senphetdoes anyone know where I can find the .bmps used in the statusbar?
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00:16:47safetydanSenphet, ./apps/recorder/icons.c
00:18:58Senphetsorry, where is /apps?
00:19:03sugecan rockbox read pdfs, or any non .txt ebooks?
00:21:02linuxstb_suge: Not until someone writes such a plugin.
00:21:44evilnick*ahem* does anyone have a backup of a H140 flash? In my haste to check out the flashable .irver file, I didn't take a backup of mine so can't now access the iriver f/w...
00:23:57safetydanSenphet, that's in the rockbox source.
00:24:09safetydanSenphet, as far as I know, those images aren't actually separate bitmaps
00:24:21Senphetahh, damn
00:24:24Senphetthanks for the help
00:27:50linuxstb_evilnick: You don't need a backup - according to Slasheri's wiki page, you just download the .hex file from iriver, decrypt it to .bin (see the IriverBoot wiki page for links) and then flash that.
00:28:22evilnicklinuxtb_: thanks (the part on how to decrypt was the bit I'd missed)
00:28:37linuxstb_But if I was you, I would talk to Slasheri first...
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01:03:01Bunkeymy rockbox just crashed, and suddenly suck out all my battery
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01:56:59Senphetdon't suppose anyone knows the pixel dimensions for the rockbox_default font?
01:58:29linuxstbI think it's 6x8
01:59:14Paul_The_NerdIf I were to guess, I'd say 6x7 or 6x8
01:59:30Senphetthank you
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02:45:59MoosHello !
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02:59:16Moosapparently everyone sleeping, then night all
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03:27:42daurn|laptopi'm exicted
03:32:15dropandhoabout wha?
03:34:14daurn|laptopi nearly have tv out working
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03:46:21VirtualballI have a question
03:46:42daurn|laptopno you don't
03:46:44daurn|laptopits a statement
03:47:03VirtualballI put rockbox on my ipod again, last time was like 4 months ago, and i was just wondering
03:47:20Virtualballdoes anyone have a patched rockboy?
03:47:39Virtualballfor iPod controls
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03:48:19VirtualballI tried to compile it myself but whenever I open a gbc rom with mine the screen just stays the off-blue color of the background.
03:48:45daurn|laptoptried a different rom?
03:49:43Virtualballi know they work too, cuz of my emulator on my mac
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04:39:29safetydanlinuxstb, you around?
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04:42:43Bunkeyif i just delete rockbox files, can i still upgrade apple firmware?
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04:48:16safetydanNo linuxstb. Hrm... anyone with an iPod Video want to try this?
04:48:27safetydanShould give you control over your hardware equalizer.
04:48:40safetydanWARNING, not tested on actual hardware as I don't have an iPod
04:49:19safetydanIf it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
04:51:53BHSPitMonkeyif you built it... and my iPod was in working condition... I'd try it ;)
04:52:33Paul_The_NerdIsn't that only for 5Gs safetydan?
04:52:44Paul_The_NerdOh, right, somehow read right over the word "video"
04:53:29sharpesafetydan: what are the chances it'd break into exactly two pieces? :)
04:55:05safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, yeah video/5g
04:55:15safetydansharpe, slim to none. it's more likely to shatter :)
04:57:20Paul_The_NerdCan you make it explode?
04:57:26*Paul_The_Nerd has visions of iPodbombs.
04:58:34*JdGordon sends the FBI to Paul_The_Nerd's house.. :D
04:59:11Paul_The_NerdI've been playing Dead Rising... I now look at everything and consider its zombie-slaying potential.
05:01:07Paul_The_NerdSo, what's the context re the channel topic?
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05:02:32JdGordonour discussion about 12/24 hours clocks a few days ago
05:02:57safetydanWell if anyone does try the eq patch, let me know how it goes. Gotta go.
05:02:59Paul_The_NerdAnd how much more than 24hrs is it?
05:03:13JdGordonno idea.. that was Bagder being funny..
05:03:24Paul_The_NerdI was hoping for a specific number.
05:03:33Paul_The_NerdWe could patch the Clock plugin and everything
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05:17:45Febssafetydan, I'll test your patch.
05:31:13FebsIt won't compile.
05:31:44FebsI'm going to check out a clean copy of CVS and try again.
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05:38:17Febssafetydan, eq_menu.c:936: error: 'struct user_settings' has no member named 'eq_hardware_ba
05:39:49Paul_The_NerdDoes his patch require that other patch first? I seem to recall there being one for the hardware EQ that simply used the old EQ screen.
05:44:17FebsDon't know. I guess we'll need to wait for Dan to come back.
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06:07:51MoosHi guys !
06:08:18JdGordonhey hey
06:08:22Moosis someone here using the bleeding edge build?
06:09:46*JdGordon partialluy...
06:10:05*Paul_The_Nerd wishes that the next iFP-799 patch would be a proper bootloader
06:10:06Mooscan you try one thing please?
06:10:54Moosh300 yes?
06:11:25Moosstart music playback, and look at HD activity
06:11:47JdGordonlook for anything in particular?
06:11:58Moosor check the audiothread debug option and see
06:12:07Moosany kind of music
06:12:28Moosit's maybe relating to pcmbuffering
06:13:02JdGordonwhat am i lokgin for?
06:13:33Mooslook at the HD icon during music please
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06:13:50JdGordonits as expected..
06:14:14Mooslet's the music play...
06:14:32Moosbleeding eedge build, right?
06:15:16JdGordonye, with some patches which souldnt effect this
06:16:10Moosstrange, here HD work quasi all time :(
06:16:35daurn|laptop"I replaced the headlights in my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I'm the only one moving."
06:17:10MoosI suspect Tomasz's last changes to have break the pcmbufering :(
06:18:12Moosthe playback engine canot bufurize even 1 track totaly
06:18:29JdGordontryed reseeting your setting?
06:19:26Paul_The_NerdMoos: The changes he made are pretty small.
06:21:43Moosthe playback/pcmbuffering is broken here with bleeding edge build, the thing is the last update I made have 4 days at least (vacancy in Morocco), and all was fine, don't know which changes...
06:22:26*Moos is going to check cvs logs
06:22:41Paul_The_NerdYou could try reverting Tomasz's changes.
06:23:23Moosbut strange than you guys are using last cvs build and you didn't have this behaviour
06:23:31Paul_The_NerdI'm not using a latest CVS build
06:23:36Paul_The_NerdLet me just download one
06:25:12daurn|laptop"The other day I was playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died."
06:26:07Moosis Slasheri awake by any luck? :)
06:27:45Paul_The_NerdYeah, there's definitely something odd with the rebuffering
06:29:13Paul_The_NerdWhere is MEMORYSIZE defined, any idea?
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06:29:42Moosno idea, sorry
06:30:34Paul_The_NerdIt's probably something relating to all the #if MEMORYSIZE > 1 not resolving in the way he expected them to.
06:30:46Moosand it's 04:30 am here, don't have the courage to check which changes caused this...
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06:31:05Moostry and see... ;)
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06:35:31kev_hi yall
06:38:19MoosHi and bye :)
06:38:25Moosc you later
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06:58:16*safetydan is back
06:58:25safetydanmust remember to compile stuff before offering it up for testing
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07:00:42Febssafetydan, I can test your patch, but I'm going to bed pretty soon.
07:00:47Jungti1234what's that?
07:01:05Jungti1234graph2afcd84f898edf01807593f92d40cd2e.png manage 2.9 K 22 Jul 2006 - 17:48 UnknownUser
07:01:45safetydanFebs, if you can regrab it from and retest that'd be cool.
07:01:50safetydanBut don't let me keep you up.
07:03:04FebsThat's OK, I want to try this!
07:05:20Mikachusafetydan: may i suggest generating patches with the option "-pud" to diff?
07:05:38safetydanMikachu, whoops... meant to do that
07:06:13safetydanthough, normally I use -buN
07:06:42Mikachuthe important one is -u
07:06:58zewhat about r? (or is it R?)
07:07:06Mikachunot needed with cvs
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07:08:04safetydanokay, new patch with the right command line
07:08:09safetydanusual place
07:08:38Mikachuis it the hw eq for 5g?
07:08:45safetydanMikachu, yes
07:08:59safetydanbut not having an iPod is kind of cramping my testing style
07:09:12Mikachucan't test here, only nano
07:09:36fatherforkwhat are we talking about?
07:09:42fatherforkI have a 5g
07:09:46FebsI'm presently compiling the new patch (not the NEW new patch).
07:09:51Mikachuhardware equalizer
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07:10:10fatherforkneed a beta tester or something?
07:10:15safetydanFebs, cool, it's the same differences anyway, just a different format
07:10:49safetydanfatherfork, testers are welcome but should be warned that this is my first attempt at a hardware interface. And it's for hardware that I don't even own :)
07:11:03*Febs waits for cygwin to compile.
07:11:42fatherforkhaha, I understand that, but i need a little more information about what you're actually doing
07:11:56FebsI'm doing a make zip now. Is there anything in particular that I'm going to be looking for when I try this?
07:12:09safetydanFebs, Sound Settings -> Equalizer -> Hardware Equalizer
07:12:19safetydanshould give you full control over the available settings in the hardware
07:12:48safetydanfatherfork, if you want to test it, grab the patch from compile and let me know if it works
07:13:14safetydanfatherfork, basically it's an interface to the hardware equalizer settings in the iPod 5G audio chipset
07:13:39fatherforkso it basically uses the same hardware the original iPod firmware uses?
07:13:59fatherfork...making it actually work
07:14:20safetydanI've no idea if the original firmware made use of the hardware equalizer.
07:14:31Mikachuit would make very little sense to put it there if it didn't
07:14:55fatherforkah, ok well you'll have to give me some time to familiarize myself with aplying and compliling patches
07:15:29Paul_The_Nerd"making it actually work"?
07:15:51fatherforknot exactly what I meant to mean to say...?
07:16:24Paul_The_NerdI was wondering, because I thought the software equalizer we offered worked fine on 5g. Other than the skipping, but that's only slightly related
07:16:26fatherforksure it works, it does what it says it does not, it's just not quite ready for actual full time use
07:16:45fatherforkdoes what it says it does*
07:17:07safetydanfatherfork, the hardware equalizer is substantially more limited than the software equalizer that Rockbox provides.
07:17:17Paul_The_Nerdfatherfork: The software equalizer is perfectly ready for fulltime use.
07:17:32Paul_The_NerdThe problems aren't in the equalizer itself
07:17:34fatherforkexcept for the skipping
07:17:43fatherforkright, it's in everything else that's going on
07:17:54Paul_The_NerdSo saying the equalizer isn't ready is wrong.
07:17:55fatherforkI understand that
07:18:02fatherforkfair enough
07:18:14Paul_The_NerdThe equalizer is fine. Everything else just needs work. ;)
07:18:39safetydanAnyone know what key to press to get the iPod simulator to actually save a config file?
07:18:46fatherforkI should learn all this stuff so I could help
07:19:02Mikachusafetydan: hold down select
07:19:06fatherforkI've got wps pretty much down, not that it's hard
07:19:29safetydanMikachu, apparently KP5 is what I wanted which I think is button_play
07:19:48Mikachuthat would be select then i think
07:19:57Mikachuif you run with the bitmap background it will have helpful text drawn skillfully on it
07:20:13safetydanMikachu, actually you're right it is select, I just misread the define's
07:20:39Febssafetydan, the gain setting appears to be reversed.
07:20:54FebsLow shelf -12dB is full boost, 12db is full cut.
07:21:06safetydancool, that's easy enough to fix
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07:21:46safetydanand of course, rereading the data sheet, that's exactly what it says
07:22:22FebsI assume these increments for the cutoff frequency are limited by the hardware?
07:22:30fatherforkPaul_the_nerd: about the built in equalizer; I've just not minamalist enought to use the default wps, which would help I'm sure
07:22:32safetydanfour choice per band
07:22:41FebsI see what you mean about it being much more limited than the software EQ.
07:22:43safetydanfour choices even
07:22:47Mikachufatherfork: the default wps is the worst due to the peakmeters actually
07:22:52safetydanand the bandwidth is either wide or narrow
07:22:56safetydanwith no definition of what that means
07:22:57fatherforkoh I forgot about that
07:25:49fatherforkI could just take it out
07:26:06Paul_The_Nerd's what I usually do.
07:26:20safetydanFebs, any popping noises when you change the eq settings?
07:26:20FebsThe shelving filters work, but the peaking filters don't seem to be having any effect.
07:26:32FebsNo popping noises.
07:26:56FebsGlitchiness when I scroll the gain up or down, but I think that is the usual scrolling glitch.
07:27:26JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: are the forums ever going to be rearanged?
07:27:27safetydanIt's interesting that it works at all as the datasheet says I should be disabling the adc/dac when I turn the eq on or off
07:27:36fatherforkwhat app do you guys use to compile this stuff?
07:28:54Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: At some point, yes, I think they will. It's not gonna be fun though. But first I'd like to try to get the software updated a little bit.
07:29:05Paul_The_NerdAnd maybe figure out why it's not sending me emails any more.
07:29:06safetydanfatherfork, start here
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07:31:34safetydanFebs, yeah silly mistake on my part, peak filters won't work at the moment
07:31:44safetydanor wait...
07:31:45FebsGood, I'm not going deaf.
07:31:46safetydanignore that
07:32:01safetydanno, peak filters should work
07:32:29FebsBoth parameters of the shelving filters work as I'd expect them to, but I'm not hearing anything with the peaking filters.
07:32:53safetydanthe datasheet has a graph of the peak filter effect.
07:32:56safetydanit's pretty broad
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07:35:19FebsNope, I just tried -12dB and 12dB at 1.1kHz with the "narrow" filter, and there's no audible effect.
07:36:30safetydanokay, I'll see what I can dig up
07:36:44safetydanso the shelving filters work, peak filters don't. Anything else?
07:37:08safetydannote that the setting won't kick in until you exit the menu
07:37:17FebsRight. Got that.
07:37:18safetydan(i.e. the gain won't take affect until you exit the gain menu)
07:38:02FebsJust to double check, I just tried all three peaking filters at +12dB (which I guess is really -12dB right now) and the "wide" setting, and then toggled the hardware EQ setting on and off.
07:38:04FebsNo difference.
07:39:32safetydanwell, not cool, but certainly seems like there's a problem
07:39:58Paul_The_NerdIt's cool to know that something's wrong.
07:40:32fatherforkI'm reading about compiling and I just don't get it. Maybe learning this is for sometime when I'm not pulling an all-nighter.
07:41:05safetydananyway, I have to go away again. Thanks for testing so far Febs. I'll see what another dev with iPod has to say about the peak filters.
07:41:38FebsNo problem. I'll be around tomorrow and I'm happy to test further.
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08:42:14secleinteerhey, has any1 else noticed some serious problems with today's build for the ipod photo?
08:42:29JdGordonlike what?
08:42:30secleinteermy font/wps settings arent beign saved
08:42:40secleinteersongs are freezing up easily
08:42:49secleinteeri didn't have any of these problems with the 11th's build
08:43:02fatherforkmine didn't load the setting I had once today
08:43:16fatherforkit's been fine ever other time though
08:43:46secleinteerwell, i think i'll go back to the 11th's build until a few days have passed
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08:46:11secleinteeryeah everything's working fine again with the 11th's build
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09:24:52Bunkeyleft/right channel is reversed on my do i fix that? :(
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09:32:28Ribsswap your headphones
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09:34:56daurn|laptopis red eye off?
09:35:28daurn|laptopRibs: lol
09:35:53Ribshow old is the kid with the cigerette
09:35:55Ribslike, 12?
09:36:04daurn|laptopBunkey: you've got the ears around the wrong way :P
09:36:10daurn|laptopi'd say 10
09:36:17_Veseliq_rofl rofl
09:36:23_Veseliq_the fat one ownz
09:36:48Ribsinbreeding is a terrible thing
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10:40:45*linuxstb looks at the xvidcore library, and it's 10 times the size of libmpeg2...
10:43:55BHSPitMonkeywhat's mp4 (the variation the iPod Video firmware uses) look like?
10:44:02BHSPitMonkey@ linuxstb
10:44:21markunBHSPitMonkey: h264?
10:45:47BHSPitMonkeynah, wouldn't that be harder?
10:46:28BHSPitMonkey5G's play both h.264 and MPEG-4
10:47:54linuxstbThe Broadcom chip inside a 5g plays h.264 - that's different....
10:48:40linuxstbThe video player I'm working on is generic for all Rockbox targets (with colour LCDs), so it's nothing to do with the Broadcom chip.
10:49:39BHSPitMonkeyI know you can't use the chip, but I wonder what the format looks like from your approach.
10:49:52Bunkey<daurn|laptop> Bunkey: you've got the ears around the wrong way :P <−−no, i play it once on rockbox and on original fw, rockbox reversed channel
10:50:48BHSPitMonkeyBunkey, I think there's a setting somewhere.
10:51:46linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: The quality is excellent to my eyes - encoding at around 450kbps.
10:52:40BHSPitMonkeythe nature of my question is more about how well it could potentially be decoded, in the way you are doing them now.
10:52:53linuxstbBy "well" you mean "fast"?
10:52:58BHSPitMonkey(without Broadcom acceleration)
10:53:06BHSPitMonkeyspeed is a factor, yes
10:53:35linuxstbWhat other factors are there?
10:55:32markunimage quality, size, speed
10:55:59BHSPitMonkeythere you go. :P
10:56:29BHSPitMonkeyI'm just wondering if it seems likely that I would be able to switch between firmwares and watch the same files
10:56:39markunBHSPitMonkey: no
10:57:41BHSPitMonkeyin that case, how much monetary persuasion would you figure Broadcom needs to open up their specs on that chip?
10:57:51linuxstbThe 5g is the ipod least likely to get useful video playback from mpegplayer - because of the size of the LCD.
10:58:14BHSPitMonkeyyeah... big, slow, clumsy 5G :'(
10:58:43linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: I also have to say that the Broadcom chip isn't that interesting to me - Rockbox works on many players, and only one has a Broadcom chip. And Apple will probably not be using it in any future ipods.
10:59:34linuxstbIt's more useful for targets with small LCDs (such as the Nano), or future Rockbox targets with large LCDs but fast main CPUs such as the Toshiba Gigabeat.
11:00:24BHSPitMonkeyso, you don't think that rockbox should ever be a viable "replacement" firmware for the 5G? or that you would sooner leave such development to somebody else
11:00:32JdGordonhey linuxstb, i know you like the idea of using a slider for the integer settings, but i got them working in the list properly, and imo adding a sepearet widget for the int settings would just increase code size... if you want to try it its fs#5795
11:01:38linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: I'm just speaking personally. Many people buy their 5gs only for audio playback (it's the only large capacity ipod Apple sell), and don't care about video.
11:02:29linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: But I included support for the Broadcom chip in the ipod port "to-do" list here:
11:04:22BHSPitMonkeywell, I don't really see why someone would spend on a car just to listen to its stereo in the driveway... but I guess that's some people's choice.
11:04:37safetydanlinuxstb, want to try/review a patch for me?
11:06:56linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: As I say, there's no choice - you want to buy an ipod, you have to get a 5g.
11:07:09BHSPitMonkeynot really
11:07:34BHSPitMonkeyI can walk into CompUSA and pick up a 4G, color or not
11:07:37JdGordonyes really.. you can only get the nano or the video..
11:07:44JdGordonout here anyway..
11:07:52linuxstbThe 5g is widely reported to have much better sound quality than the 4g.
11:08:03linuxstbMy ears back that up.
11:08:09linuxstb(I have both a 5g and a Photo)
11:08:16BHSPitMonkeyit's also widely reported to mess up headphones... and mine back THAT up :P
11:08:31BHSPitMonkeyand I can't really tell that kind of thing
11:08:46BHSPitMonkeymy ear is for music, not audio, if that makes sense
11:09:13markunBHSPitMonkey: can't you work on the broadcom video support?
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11:10:12markunperhaps it's possible to call the video playback routine directly from the OF..
11:10:22BHSPitMonkeyif that was a standard request to a user feature demand, save it... I never claimed someone needed to work on it, I just reacted to linuxstb say "Who cares about the 5G's features" pretty much
11:10:48linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: I never said that - I just said I didn't care, and that there are also some other people like me who only ever want to use their 5g for audio.
11:11:21linuxstbOf course I know that there are people who bought their 5gs for video.
11:11:35BHSPitMonkeythat's why I switched from a nano.
11:12:48markunBHSPitMonkey: maybe the ipodlinux guys will figure it out
11:13:24BHSPitMonkeybut most of the developments have been stirred up over here lately
11:13:39BHSPitMonkeythere's a definite concentration on software over there
11:14:26linuxstbThere's not much low-level development here either...
11:14:31BHSPitMonkeyalthough the interest for figuring out all of the iPod's secrets is higher over there, as opposed to "let's just get what we want out of this" over here
11:15:13linuxstbI would say the main interest in the hardware "over here" is in increasing battery life.
11:15:36BHSPitMonkeyI'm not going to get into a project comparison again, so I'll leave it there
11:16:32BHSPitMonkeyoranges and grapefruit...
11:16:33linuxstbI wasn't going there either. Just saying what Rockbox people are likely to be working on.
11:16:58BHSPitMonkeyyep- whetever that person wants the most.
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11:18:20BHSPitMonkeythe ironic, selfish nature of all open-source
11:20:15JdGordonrockbox has no problems with q5 ogg on the h300 ye?
11:20:35BHSPitMonkeywell, gnite hackers
11:20:37linuxstbJdGordon: Not AFAIK.
11:20:44markunBHSPitMonkey: good night
11:20:45BHSPitMonkey(and non-hackers, too)
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11:31:43Hideo_Kuzehi guys, not sure if this is wiki spam, somebody testing your system or just a mistake someone made, , bottom of the page
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11:33:35Hideo_Kuzeuh oh, "UnknownUser is a reserved name in TWiki. If the UnknownUser appears, it is probably because author information for a topic could not be recovered, perhaps because a topic has been modified by a non-TWiki tool."
11:33:44Hideo_Kuzedoes that mean that the server is rooted?
11:34:00markunHideo_Kuze: strange
11:34:23Hideo_Kuzemarkun: yeah
11:36:17OwlieCan someone tell me whether they think iPods are good or not
11:36:22Owlieand if not what's better?
11:36:38OwlieIf your looking at getting something 20GB+
11:36:53anrdewmel@owlie, it depends on what features you want, and how much you can spend
11:37:08Owliemainly the amount of storage on it
11:37:19OwlieNot sure about anything else with them.
11:37:40Owlieand i have vouchers to use at Harvey norman >.< Not sure what i could or should buy
11:37:47OwlieI've only looked at iPods so far.
11:37:48anrdewmelwell I think all (or nearly all) harddrive based daps use the same toshiba hard drive
11:38:27anrdewmelif you want to be able to record, or to be able to transfer photos from a digital camera on the go, then the iaudio might be what you want
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11:38:49anrdewmelif small size for the capacity is what you want, then the 5g video ipods are hard to go by
11:39:23Owliei just want something small, with large capacity that's going to last a while.
11:39:39Owliei bouht an mp3 player when they first came out, and mine was horrible.
11:40:11anrdewmeli expect my video ipod to last about 2 years.......
11:40:24Owlieit's only 5GB though right?
11:40:41anrdewmelno, it is 60 gb
11:40:52OwlieO.O wow
11:41:07OwlieI thought you said 5GB, must have read wrong somewhere
11:41:11OwlieHow much was it?
11:41:15anrdewmeli had a 20 gbi iRiver, but its battery died, and it was full.
11:41:26anrdewmeli paid AUD$560 from Dick Smiths
11:41:50Owlieooh, Your australian too?
11:42:17anrdewmelyep, i only put the dick smiths as I noticed you mentioned hardly normal
11:42:48Owliewe have a dick smiths in town
11:43:05Owliewhat part of australia are you from? (I'm from northern NSW, Lismore)
11:43:05anrdewmelthey might be doing them for less than 560 now.
11:43:20Owliepity my vouchers are only for harvey norman =(
11:43:23anrdewmeli am currently in tassy. but have lived in many places. i like lismore
11:43:34Owlieooh, you've been here? Wow =D
11:44:02anrdewmelhave peobably been to lismore about 15 times?
11:45:11anrdewmeli was hoping to find out how the video implementation is coming along for the ipods and if sound is around the corner, or a litte further off?
11:45:57OwlieYeah, sadly i'm not one that knows alot
11:46:08OwlieFriend gave me the website to rockbox about 30minutes abou
11:46:25Owliethen i noticed the IRC channel and came for infomation ^-^
11:46:57anrdewmeli would not have bought an ipod without rockbox. without rockbox you need a program called itunes to put music onto your ipod and there are a number of steps you need to go through to get it off.
11:47:17anrdewmeli prefer to be able to just plug it in, drag and drop the music on or off it, and then play it.
11:47:33Owliethat was my main concern
11:47:34anrdewmelrockbox is the best way to do that on an iPod
11:47:43Owliethat and whether it was worth the money, or whether there was something better
11:48:05OwlieOther then ipods, what else is good for a decent music collection =P?
11:48:25linuxstbanrdewmel: All ipods have two ARM CPU cores, so the first thing to do is to add the infrastructure into Rockbox to use the second CPU - currently it only uses one. Once that's done, I plan to try to move video decoding to the second CPU, and start using the first CPU for audio playback.
11:48:33anrdewmelthe only other new player worth the money, imo, is the iAudio X5.
11:49:21Owliestill something to do with apple isnt it though
11:49:36Owliemm what about the Creative mp3 Players
11:49:40Owlieare they okay?
11:49:41anrdewmelthanks linuxstb :) i am a patient man. it is really more from interest. I dont use my dap for video, i prefer to just listen to music or lectures :)
11:50:12anrdewmelno, iAudio is a different company. the creative players are not bad, but I dont know a lot about them.
11:50:25Owlieooh i see =O
11:50:47anrdewmelsecondhand iRiver H320 or H340 are good, if you can find them. But their batteries will need to be replaced soon or now
11:51:24Owlieso i guess iPods are the best
11:51:47anrdewmelwill the iaudio is as good, but a little bigger as it offers a couple of extra features.
11:51:47OwlieI'm going to the snow at jindgerbine on saturday next weekend, tomorrow's my only shopping chance
11:51:59markunanrdewmel: ipod 1/2g batteries for the irivers are very cheap
11:52:02anrdewmelhave you ripped all your music yet?
11:52:18Owliei ripped my CDs over the last week
11:52:24anrdewmel@markun, I agree, they are cheap and seem easy to put in.
11:52:53anrdewmelI didnt as I needed a bigger drive as well and thought 60 gb might hold the size chase at bay for a little longer :)
11:53:00linuxstbsafetydan: I'm just about to try your EQ patch now. Have you fixed any of the problems Febs reported?
11:53:02markunmy iriver has a 2200mAh (claimed) battery for over a year and I'm very happy with it
11:53:09anrdewmel@owlie, what did you rip them with and to?
11:54:23Owliemy computer o.o
11:54:45Owlieooh i ripped them with "Free rip"
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11:54:55Owliewas the first thing i found and it worked
11:54:57anrdewmelwhat program, and what codec and bitrate
11:55:01Owlieso long as it didnt kill my albums
11:55:05anrdewmelahhh, freerip....
11:55:08Owlie128 i think
11:55:11anrdewmelyou might want to have a look at this....
11:55:33anrdewmeli used freerip when i first started as well. but eac is much much bettter.
11:55:48anrdewmeland go for vbr 0v2
11:55:56anrdewmelvbr -v2
11:56:27Owlieooh i see
11:56:39Owliewell, so long as it didnt kill my favourite CDs i was happy
11:56:58safetydanlinuxstb, not the peak filter thing no. I can't see what's wrong.
11:57:18safetydanI need to work on simplifying the eq ui code a bit
11:57:22anrdewmelIt wont. if you stick with cheap earbuds it isnt too much of a problem but if you have anything like decent headphones you will hear artifacts
11:57:53safetydanlinuxstb, oh and that patch will still have the gain inverted. I've only fixed that locally
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12:02:53linuxstbsafetydan: Could you upload your latest patch? I can try and work out what's wrong with the peak filters.
12:03:28linuxstb(or just tell me what you did for the gain if it's a simple fix)
12:04:09safetydanlinuxstb, just change EQ_HARDWARE_GAIN_STEP to be -1 instead of 1
12:04:18safetydanit's around line 854 of eq_menu.c
12:04:28safetydan(line number may not be accurate due to local changes)
12:05:31linuxstbOK, I'll do that.
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12:07:36safetydanlinuxstb, actually, there's a new version of the patch uploaded as there was one other change to fix the inverted gain thing
12:08:25linuxstbYour new patch is 24390 bytes?
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12:10:36safetydanThe other thing it doesn't do is disable the ADCs/DACs before enabling the EQ. The datasheet says they "must be disabled" before changing.
12:12:43linuxstbsafetydan: Is that the EQ3DMODE bit? Or something else?
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12:13:37safetydanlinuxstb, yup. The exact quote from page 64 if "Note: The ADCs and DACs must be disabled before changing the EQ3DMODE bit."
12:14:16linuxstbI don't think we need to change it - all that does is switch the EQ between the ADC or DAC. The default (i.e. what's happening today) is that the EQ is applied to the DAC path.
12:15:12linuxstbi.e. the default behaviour is for the EQ to be applied to the DAC path, but all the EQ settings default to a gain of 0dB.
12:15:35safetydanwow, I've been totally misreading that part for the past day
12:15:53linuxstbI misread it the first time, but read it again yesterday.
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12:18:01linuxstbAnyway, about to test now. Did you say I have to leave the settings screen for the changes to be applied?
12:18:15safetydanYou just have to leave the individual setting screen
12:18:22safetydani.e. back out of the gain screen and the setting is applied
12:18:32linuxstbOK, so it's a set of 5 screns?
12:18:41safetydanpretty much
12:18:57safetydanIt works in the simulator if you want to look at it first
12:20:57linuxstbI'm testing on my 5g now. The Gain settings seems badly broken. It goes in the wrong direction, and there seems no upper limit... I've gone up to 343dB, and can't make it go back down.
12:21:08safetydanokay... that doesn't seem right
12:22:22safetydanyeah okay that's broken
12:23:24safetydanlinuxstb, quick fix, change EQ_HARDWARE_GAIN_STEP to 1 again
12:23:45linuxstbWhy don't you just keep the gain how you had it originally, and convert the gain from -12 to +12 to the register value in the driver itself.
12:25:12linuxstbi.e. reg |= (12-gain) where gain is -12 to +12
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12:25:52safetydanWell, I do that to show the value to the user. It does work if the step size is +1
12:27:40linuxstbWhy is GAIN_MIN 0 and GAIN_MAX 24, instead of -12 and +12?
12:28:31safetydanbecause that's the value range of the chip
12:28:43safetydanwhen the value is displayed to the user, it's converted to +/- 12 dB
12:29:10linuxstbI would say the value range for the hardware is -12 to +12, it's the register values that are in the range 0 to 24.
12:29:54linuxstbBut that's easily converted with reg |= (12-gain)
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12:30:26linuxstbWouldn't that simplify your code?
12:30:29safetydanokay yeah that makes sense. Also means the config files will be more easily readable
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12:45:53preglowso, how's the hardware eq sound?
12:47:52safetydanokay, new patch version, 23610 bytes
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12:48:25safetydanfixes the gain issue and disables the equalizer by setting the gain to 0 for all bands
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13:03:34safetydanpreglow, Febs tried it out but didn't have any comments about quality. Possibly because the peak filters aren't working. Shelf filters did the job though.
13:09:10linuxstbsafetydan: I can't test now, I'm about to walk out of the door. But I'll try it in a couple of hours when I get back.
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13:09:33safetydanlinuxstb, righto
13:09:49safetydansorry about the mess earlier. Must learn to test compile first.
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13:39:41safetydanah well sleep time
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14:09:35locohi, i've got a possibly stupid c question. is there a way to get a substring out of a string, let's say the 3rd to the 5th characters for example?
14:09:46daurnimatorof course
14:09:53daurnimator - go google for a bit
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14:12:23JdGordonloco: something like &string[index] with give the substring
14:12:51locooh, great, thanks a lot.
14:13:00peturJdGordon: that will give you index to end of string
14:13:08peturnot n to m
14:13:24locoyeah, that's perfect.
14:14:15JdGordonpetur: i took that to be what he wanted...
14:15:13peturno, he asked for taking a substring, like 3rd to 5th char. Yours will work if the sting is only 5 chars long ;)
14:15:20locoyes, indeed, it is. i should have formulated it unambiguously.
14:16:23JdGordonok, well u need to then set the char after the last one you want to '\0'
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14:17:23locono, the the &string[index] way was exactly what i looked for.
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14:18:02locoi want to implement the clause_ends_with for tagcache.
14:18:14locoi hope slasheri doesn't mind. ;)
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14:19:43JdGordon<Slasheri> Im gonna start doing clause_ends_with for TC later in the week... take this as a warning that I will personally kill anyone who attempts it before im finished!...
14:19:48JdGordonfrom earlier today...
14:20:10*JdGordon is such a funny bugger
14:20:31locognaa.. i knew, i searched the logs...
14:20:42peturTag Cache
14:21:05JdGordonusually a full stop... :p
14:21:14XavierGrheh sorry for the stupid questions....
14:21:25*JdGordon has had too much sugar today
14:21:50locowas there coffee in it at least? ;)
14:22:03JdGordoni dont drink coffeee
14:22:53Slasheriloco: oh, that would be great if you do :)
14:22:56SlasheriJdGordon: haha :D
14:23:08locoyeah, i love "makes pointer from integer without a cast" warnings. ;)
14:23:27locoSlasheri: i'll try at least.
14:25:01locoSlasheri: i also tried to implement a not operator, but it seems, i didn't do it the way you intended it to be done.
14:25:39Slasheriloco: hmm, how did you try to do it? did you got it working?
14:26:01Slasherii haven't had yet time to think about how to implement it
14:27:06Slasheriloco: oh, that looks great
14:27:33Slasherii will commit that
14:27:37locobut i saw the enum modifier thing, so i thought, you'd want to do it that way.
14:27:44locoreally? cool. :D
14:27:56JdGordon3 different ways for doing not?
14:28:17Slasheriyes, never mind that.. it just was there as a reminder to start working with the not operator one day
14:28:31Slasheribut that implementation looks fine, maybe even better. at least it's clean
14:28:43locowell, it's simple. ;)
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14:33:41Slasheriloco: committed
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14:49:29*JdGordon is bored
14:50:07lococool, then explain me, why i don't seem to be able to use the logf function. ;)
14:50:23JdGordonbecause u need to enable it in configure
14:50:30Slasheriloco: hmm, do you have iriver player?
14:50:32locoi already have
14:50:49locoyes, but i'm talking about the simulator right now.
14:50:58JdGordonin the sim use DEBUGF
14:51:09Slasheriah, it might not work with simulator as well..
14:51:11loco(whose build system i don't understand anyway ;) )
14:51:20Slasherii am not sure if the debug menu includes the logf/logfdump options
14:51:33Slasheribut the simulator remote display should work fine
14:51:33locothere is no debug menu...
14:51:40Slasherihowever, you can use printf from simulator
14:51:42JdGordonif your in the sim DEBUGF is fine, as it outputs to stdout
14:51:54locook, i'll try that. thx
14:58:52locohmm... warning: implicit declaration of function ‘DEBUGF’
14:59:44JdGordonignore it
14:59:49JdGordonor #include "debug.h"
15:00:29locothx. sorry for the stupid questions.
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15:00:57JdGordonnono... rememebr there are no stupid quesions....
15:01:20locobut i've already got another one. ;) when working with the sim, after having changed code, what am i supposed to do in the simulator directore? just a make install?
15:01:24JdGordon.. just stupid people
15:02:02JdGordonif your just playing in the apps/ foilder then u dont need to do anything except make
15:02:20JdGordonif your playgin in a plugin or codec u need to opy it manually into archox/.rockbox./...
15:02:38locooh, make, not make install.
15:02:49lococonfusing. ;)
15:03:55locoomg... apropos "stupid people", the logf-thing didn't work, because i put it after the return statement... shame on me...
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15:05:33locooh, before the return, it works fine... damn... ;) so, still bored?
15:06:42locohmm. go program something. ;)
15:06:53JdGordonye, but thats the problem.. what?
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15:07:17locohmm, some solution for the tagnavi.config overwriting problem.
15:07:25juxtaphow's the slow-me-down feature coming? :p
15:07:43JdGordonalready done
15:08:03JdGordonpatch has been on fs for ages
15:08:19JdGordonthat waas to loco...
15:08:27locooh, ok.
15:08:44JdGordonjust waiting for Slasheri to commit it.. hint hint.. nudge nudge.... :p
15:08:49locoeer... should ends_with also be implemented for numeric values?
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15:11:42*JdGordon 's maths is off somewhere :'(
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15:11:57Slasheriloco: hmm, probably not
15:12:13locooh, i hoped you'd say that.
15:12:27Slasheriat least i can't think any use for that
15:12:37locowell, then i've got the patch done.
15:12:44Slasherihehe :D
15:12:54locoyeah, but we could do it just because we CAN. ;)
15:13:20locoshould i put it on fs?
15:13:45Slasheriyes, or you can also dcc it for me
15:13:50JdGordon ...
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15:14:27locoSlasheri: err. i can... what? ;)
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15:14:53Slasheriloco: use irc dcc send feature to send the file :)
15:16:34locodoesn't work. fs.
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15:17:34locoSlasheri: done:
15:17:52Slasheriloco: thanks, i will check that soon
15:18:05locoi hope this one won't segfault anyhow...
15:18:11Slasheriwatching macgyver from tv first ;)
15:22:06tucozAnyone know why neither firefox or ie lets me download the bootloader.iriver file from the iriverflashing wiki?
15:22:50Mikachuhow are they not letting you?
15:22:54tucozfirefox opens up the file in the browser, and ie only creates a file with size 30 instead of 60
15:23:05Mikachutry rightclicking and save as in firefox
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15:24:02tucozbut if I rightclick, firefox wants to save the wikipage (iriverflashing.htm)
15:24:35locoJdGordon: got something for you: implement a full pathname filter for tagcache. ;)
15:25:16tucozhmm, I think the file got saved after all. It only wanted to save it as htm.
15:29:42JdGordonloco ?
15:30:13locoJdGordon: yeah, i thought, you were bored. ;)
15:30:15tucozCould someone confirm that this md5 sum is right for the bootloader.iriver from 06D5A6E217B58E4141BF8D7D7B79D33B
15:31:07Mikachutucoz: it is
15:31:14Mikachuwell, i get the same when i download it at least
15:31:19tucozMikachu: thanks
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15:31:32Slasheritucoz: that is correct, please add it to the wiki page
15:31:46tucozSlasheri: ok. Will do
15:31:54JdGordonloco: i mean, explain..
15:32:20JdGordonisnt the point of TC to deal with the tags.. not the filenames?
15:32:56locoJdGordon: well, there is also a filename filter.
15:33:47locoJdGordon: but i mean a filter, that lets you filter on the full location of the file. then you could use clauses like filename !^ "/audio books" or something like that.
15:36:41JdGordoni have no idea abou the TC code.. but point me in the right direction and ill have a look
15:37:05locothat's also my problem. ;)
15:37:39JdGordonSlasheri: would TC even be able to theoretically do that?
15:40:03preglowSlasheri: what's up with the internal_eeprom.bin file?
15:40:45tucozAh, finally rid of the iriver fw :D
15:41:31tucozclever to use rec+play to load from disk. Nice Slasheri
15:45:22dropandhowhat exactly is the advantage to flashing the irivers?
15:45:33dropandhoi know archos had reallly slow boottime with the orig FW
15:45:42dropandhobut the iriver boots up pretty quick as is
15:45:59JdGordonloco: i can guess how to put it in.. but unless you can tell me where the tags are compared it would be done with a massive memory waste
15:46:27locoJdGordon: what do you mean by "compared"?
15:46:55JdGordonumm... i mean, where are the conditions actually checked?
15:47:42tucoza list of advantages there
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15:48:22JdGordonhang on... filename is there already... so full path should just be extending that
15:48:44locoyeah, i think so, but i didn't yet manage to find out how.
15:49:28dropandhotucoz- sorry, don't know how i missed that one...thanks!
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15:51:04JdGordoncan the filename be checked in tagnavi.config atm?
15:51:39locoyes, there is a working filename filter. but it only checks.. well... the file's name
15:53:17JdGordonok, this is above me...
16:10:55Slasheripreglow: currently data in the internal_eeprom.bin file is not read by any code
16:11:14Slasheripreglow: however, i think original firmware automatically resets the eeprom when it finds it to be invalid
16:13:01Slasheriloco: hmm, what if clause->str is longer than str?
16:13:12Slasheriloco: please add a boundary check to the patch, then it should be fine
16:13:43preglowSlasheri: why is it a file at all?
16:14:04Slasheripreglow: hmm.. what it should be then?
16:14:18Slasheribecause it's dump of the eeprom memory content..
16:14:19preglowi'm really just wondering how it got created :)
16:14:29Slasheriah, dump rom memory creates that :)
16:14:33preglowit does?
16:14:42preglowah, right, i did do one of those
16:14:42Slasherii have added it there
16:14:43preglowthat's right
16:14:49preglowok then
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16:16:11peturSlasheri: on h3x0 the original firmware doesn't seem to care about corrupt eeprom settings which is a pita
16:16:47Slasheripetur: hmm, that sounds bad
16:17:01Slasheripetur: btw, you should try the new eeprom driver, old code had some timing issues
16:17:33peturThere are even reports of h3x0 that refuse to boot original firmware - it locks up
16:17:47peturI'll try your new code later today if I find the time
16:18:20peturI want to find out how the eeprom gets corrupted by rockbox
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16:19:02Slasherihmm, maybe there could be a problem with the pcf driver and software i2c implementation
16:19:18peturcan't be much else...
16:19:21Slasherisomething like bit shifts and data gets written to eeprom
16:19:47Slasheribecause i have found out the eeprom chip is _very_ strict the bus works as the specs says
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16:25:11locoSlasheri: like that?
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16:26:33Mikachuyou could save the string length in a variable so you don't calc it twice
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16:36:18MassaHi everybody!
16:36:55MassaSomebody here with knowledge about WPS parsing?
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16:37:30MassaEspecially about handling of wps_data_preload_tags?
16:38:52Massathe whole handling is really strange - and I wanted to know if there is a reason why it is as it is....????!
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16:43:06locoMikachu: do i have to do that variable thing? i'm afraid i'm too stupid. ;)
16:43:33illogic-alhi, i'm having problems getting rockbox to start on an H300
16:44:07peturwhat problems?
16:44:14illogic-alI patched the firmware (1.28) and installing the rockbox files but it doesn't boot up (anymore)
16:44:43illogic-alit goes straight to the iriver screen
16:44:50MassaNobody with knowledge about WPS parsing?
16:45:07peturillogic-al: you flashed it correctly?
16:45:42illogic-alpetur: yeah, it was at 1.30 before, i patched it and the md5sum is correct
16:46:02peturdo you see the bootloader?
16:46:08illogic-albut it goes from the charging... screen, directly to iriver.
16:46:12illogic-alpetur: nope
16:46:31locoMikachu: i'm not too familiar with programming anymore. where would i define those variables? right at the beginning of the function? but then they will be allocated regardless of whether i'll need them later, won't they?
16:47:12peturthe bootloader doesn't do charging yet and will boot straight into iriver fw. start it without external power
16:47:20Massaloco: what do you want to do?
16:47:42illogic-alpetur: i can't. there is no power otherwise
16:47:52peturflat battery?
16:48:08peturcharge it first a bit in iriver
16:48:24peturLinus is working on a new bootloader to handle this
16:48:28illogic-aland it _was_ working last night while in charge mode.
16:48:42illogic-alpetur: the battery doesn't seem to hold a charge
16:48:50locoMassa: there's a strlen that gets calculated twice and Mikachu suggested to keep it in a variable, but i don't really know how to do that anymore. :|
16:49:03Massaloco: where?
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16:50:11peturillogic-al: Li-ion batteries don't like deep discharges. How old is the battery anyway?
16:50:46illogic-alpetur: don't know. got it from e-bay last year.
16:50:59illogic-althe battery wouldn't charge so I bought an X5 instead :-)
16:51:19illogic-albut I lost that recent;y so I decided to see if rockbox could bring any life back to this thing.
16:51:44peturah so you want to use the h340 with bad battery and rockbox?
16:51:49peturon ac power
16:52:19Massaloco: in C (not C++) you're only allowed to define variables at the beginning of a "{"
16:52:38peturillogic-al: ask LinusN about the new bootloader when he's around
16:52:48illogic-alpetur: cool
16:53:02Massaloco: and they can be used inside the "{" "}" pair...
16:53:25illogic-alpetur: i'd actually never thought about the battery being bad. This is a US unit and when I got it, it was flashed with the EU firmware.
16:53:30Slasheriloco: committed, i did small modifications to the code
16:54:03illogic-alI thought that caused the problems and just using rockbox would fix whatever problems it was having.
16:54:12locooh, fine, i was just about to despair. ;)
16:54:19illogic-alseemed to work last night, 'cept the battery still didn't charge :-)
16:54:24xorAxAxMassa: not in ansi C99
16:54:40peturillogic-al: must be bad battery, using US or EU firmware doesn't matter
16:55:01peturget a cheap replacement form ebay ;)
16:55:09MassaxorAxAx: so you say in C99 it's allowed to define variables anywhere like in C++?
16:55:19illogic-alpetur: can't i get one from circuit city instead :-)
16:55:27xorAxAxMassa: yep
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16:55:53xorAxAxbut you can just use them after you defined them
16:55:59peturillogic-al: I don't care where you buy the battery :p
16:56:01xorAxAx(as opposed to algol)
16:56:32Massaand we use the compiler in C99 mode?
16:56:58illogic-alalright thanks for the info. I'll open this up and see what type of battery i need.
16:57:18xorAxAxMassa: no idea
16:57:34Massato be honest, I always use braces to define temporary used variables ;)
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16:59:01MassaAnother thing: what's wrong with the USB charging patch for H300 (
16:59:21MassaOr what's the reason it does not get comitted to CVS?
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16:59:59locohehe, nice one slasheri. ;)
17:00:10Slasheriloco :)
17:00:28Slasheriloco: btw, strstr and strcmp works differently as you probably noticed
17:00:48Slasheri(return value is different)
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17:03:00peturMassa: I don't think there's anything wrong with that patch. Don't know why it's still sitting there
17:03:00Slasheristrcasecmp returns 0 when strings match, and strcasestr returns non-zero (the pointer where strings match)
17:03:19locooh, yeah, i see.
17:04:09locoi'll never learn the way you use "booleans" in c. ;)
17:05:01locook, gtg, thanks for your help and bye for now.
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17:05:30Massapetur: yeah - I also don't know, so I asked here and at the dev mailinglist -maybe somebody knows :-p
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17:07:24Massapetur: have you ever programmed something WPS related (a new tag or so)?
17:08:03peturnope, just some small (obviuos) bugfixes
17:08:11peturobvious too
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17:10:06Massathat's too bad - I could need some help :-(
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17:10:36peturno time now anyway - later maybe
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17:12:23preglowwhat's the most common way to sign extend an n bit number in c?
17:13:12Massapreglow: explain a bit more
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17:18:11preglowMassa: i've masked a three bit signed number out of a bitfield and want to sign extend it to 32 bits
17:18:43preglowMassa: only quick way i can think of right now is (bleh << 29) >> 29, but that might not always work
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17:30:21Massapreglow: the only other solution that came to my mind currently is something similar to ~((bleh << 29) - 1) - but I'm a bit rusty and don't know if it's correct ;)
17:30:29Febsillogic-al, if you charge the battery for 3 hours or so and it still doesn't hold a charge, it likely needs to be replaced.
17:30:55MassaI have to leave now - maybe I'll come back later - see you...
17:31:06illogic-alFebs: yeah, i needs to be. I just never thought of that till last night.
17:31:12illogic-ala year after getting it :-)
17:31:51FebsRead this:
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17:33:24Slasheripreglow: hmm, why (blen << 29) >> 29 should even work?
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17:33:37Slasheri*bleh, but never mind
17:34:44Slasheripreglow: or you just want to get rid of the sign bit?
17:36:27preglowSlasheri: because left shift is not guaranteed to be arithmetic
17:37:06preglowi misread
17:37:19preglowi basically want to copy the sign bit to all the unused bits
17:37:24preglowwhich is what sign extension is
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17:49:57illogic-alI'm planning on getting this battery ofr 1st/2nd gen ipods. It should be fine right?
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18:23:12preglowamount of targets in configure really is starting to look like something
18:23:24preglowfreqmod: anything new on the speex front?
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18:44:02*Febs is about to take the plunge and install Linux.
18:45:42preglowspeex on h120 :/
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18:47:23A_Mthis is what I'm currently working on:
18:47:24A_MSettings display in menus (right-aligned). Is this something people would like to see as a patch and/or in CVS?
18:48:50preglowa patch couldn't hurt
18:49:05linuxstbA_M: I quite like it. But how well does it work on smaller LCDs, or with large fonts - i.e. when the settings name needs to scroll?
18:49:23linuxstbThe contents of the remote on that screenshot doesn't look ideal...
18:50:05A_Myeah, currently strings merge to the left when they overlap
18:51:12FebsObviously that is something that would need attention, but I do like the concept.
18:51:55A_Mimo it's not really a big deal if the actual changing of settings is still on a separate screen. but I'd like to have it so the settings editing is (as an option) done within the menu as well. and in that case it could become annoying.
18:53:25FebsRight now, the 'right' button and select button have the same function in menus (at least on the platforms that I'm familiar with). Perhaps that button could be used to scroll through the settings.
18:53:50FebsThe left/back button needs to be used to navigate to previous menu though.
18:54:30preglowi hate malloc
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18:57:49A_MFebs: hmm... would that really be an improvement over how changing settings currently is handled? I was thinking of leaving that as it is, just update the menu instead of the separate page when in "set" mode...
18:58:56preglowman, speex is heavily non-realtime on coldfire
18:59:11FebsFor settings that have a small number of options, it could save several keystrokes.
18:59:49FebsFor example, in the equalizer menu, it would allow the user to toggle the eq on or off with a single button press, rather than 3.
19:00:04A_MYeah, you're right.
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19:00:38FebsOf course, there may well be disadvantages that I'm not thinking of. I'm pretty much just thinking out loud here.
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19:00:48A_Mwell so am I :)
19:01:06preglowonly disadvantage i can think of is the fact that strings will collide
19:01:06A_MI'm not really familiar with the different controls on different platforms. On which platforms are there multiple keys that do the same thing in the menus?
19:01:32preglowbut all in all i'd say this approach is something i've missed anyway
19:01:43A_MSo, any suggestions on what better handling when text is wider than screen might be, instead of the current merging and scrolling? Truncating the description to fit the current value on screen doesn't seem much better...
19:02:18preglowscrolling just the first string would probably be best
19:02:25preglowbut that's not possible
19:02:58A_Myup, already looked into that, would require almost an entire rewrite of scrolling code I guess. (not something I'd want to do)
19:04:53preglowit's on our list anyway
19:05:01preglowbut it requires a lot of other code to be done properly
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19:48:22RaeNyeWould any X5 user like to test the superior PCF50606 driver I've finally managed to get working? I'd like another opinion before committing it...
19:50:01RaeNyeIt's #5808 if anyone wants it.
19:50:05RaeNyeI'll be off.
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20:27:33MassaHi everybody, I'm back again.
20:30:35linuxstbDoes anyone know of any Linux tools to analyse a FAT16 disk image?
20:31:49preglowanalyse how?
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20:32:13Spidalinuxstb: hexdump? sleuthlit?
20:32:42linuxstbI bought myself a new MP3 player today - a no-name (Logik) 1GB MP3 player with DAB radio.
20:33:07jhMikeSI've got assembly lcd_update(_rect) routines on FS for x5 (#5807). No yuv yet thought but that will come soon.
20:33:32preglowmp3 player with dab radio?
20:33:33preglownot bad
20:34:11linuxstbMounting it in Linux gives me an 884MB FAT16 disk (no partition table), and I've dd'ed a copy of it to my hard disk.
20:34:57linuxstbThe odd thing is that it came pre-loaded with some music. If I do "madplay diskimage.bin", then madplay skips through some rubbish, and starts playing some music. But according to Linux, the disk only contains two tiny config files, nothing else.
20:35:22*jhMikeS notices RaeNye doesn't seem to stick around much.
20:36:02Massalinuxstb: maybe it has several partitions?
20:37:18linuxstbA cool feature is that it can record DAB radio as you're listening, and give you the ability to pause/rewind the radio (but sadly, not save the recording). This works for up to 1hour of a 192kbps, which I calculate to be about 82MB. So that (along with the FAT overhead) probably fills up the 1GB FLASH.
20:37:35linuxstbMassa: There's no partition table...
20:38:34Massalinuxstb: no "official" one - but maybe it does uses some "build in" table?
20:38:53linuxstbBut my real problem is I can't find the firmware on the device, and no updates on the web...
20:39:44linuxstbMassa: Maybe, but when I mount the image, it tells me it's an 884MB disk.
20:41:15linuxstbSo it's a valid 884MB FAT16 disk image, but full of data with no directory entries... The device also supports MTP (as well as UMS), so I'm guessing it hides the MTP-transferred files somewhere in the FAT16 disk image.
20:42:09linuxstbAh, dosfsck is listing some files...
20:42:13Massasorry to be ignorant - but what is MTP and UMS?
20:43:19linuxstbMTP is the method used by Windows Media Player (and maybe other software) to sync music to a portable device. UMS is the standard USB Mass Storage we know and love - all Rockbox devices use UMS.
20:43:32linuxstbSeems there is a directory on my disk called "\/:*?"<>"
20:44:33MassaOh - I didn't know about MTP and I didn't know that the short form of "USB Mass Storage" is UMS :$
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20:44:55preglowlinuxstb: cool
20:45:04preglowlinuxstb: so it's got the capability to rip the raw stream then, i assume
20:45:58linuxstbYes, it seems that way.
20:46:19preglowhow much was it?
20:46:21linuxstbBut there seems to be a major bug in the original firmware - it can't tune into the BBC's DAB multiplex...
20:46:41Mikachudon't you usually write "static inline" instead of "inline static"?
20:46:59preglowMikachu: well, i do
20:47:03preglowbut i dont think it matter
20:47:27linuxstbpreglow: 99 UKP - it seems to only be sold by the Dixons/Currys high-street chain:
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20:49:23MassaMikachu: I think most people write "static inline" instead of "inline static"
20:49:43Mikachuit was in reference to
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20:51:37MassaIs now anybody here with knowledge in WPS parsing, especially about wps_data_preload_tags?
20:54:15uskilinuxstb: maybe you got a refurbished unit, previously used by someone and reformatted in the factory by only rebuilding the FAT ?
20:55:12linuxstbuski: No, I've solved the mystery now. There's a directory with a deliberately illegal name - \/:*?"<> - which contains all the interesting files.
20:55:18uskioh ok
20:56:00uskii suppose you'll start investigating whether you can run your own code on the unit or not ? ;)
20:57:01linuxstbI need to satisfy my curiousity...
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20:58:40preglowlinuxstb: opened it?
21:00:02linuxstbYes. It's got a telechips TCC773L - 120MHz ARM9, but no datasheet that I can see...
21:00:33MassaStill nobody with knowledge in WPS parsing here :(
21:00:48uskilinuxstb: have you found any firmware upgrade utility & firmware binary ?
21:01:13linuxstbuski: Not yet. I haven't even found the manufacturer... Although it's possibly designed by telechips themselves.
21:01:27preglowbhah, telechips
21:01:37preglowthat's not half bad
21:02:07uskiwhy not contacting telechips ? (/me dreaming)
21:02:46linuxstbI'm not sure if I'll keep it yet - as I said earlier, the firmware seems to refuse to tune into the BBC's DAB radio multiplex - and that's the main reason I bought it....
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21:02:59uskihaha, on telechips website you need an id/password to get the datasheets
21:03:16linuxstbYep, noticed that...
21:03:45preglowlinuxstb: any reason why it should refuse that?
21:03:58preglowas in anything special with that particular multiplex?
21:04:15preglowbtw, what bitrate do dab broadcasters usually use?
21:04:47Ribs128k, I believe
21:04:55*Ribs checks
21:05:18Ribs"128kbps stereo" according to my DAB system
21:05:41linuxstbpreglow: I've no idea... In the UK, most music stations are 128kbps. A couple are 160kbps or 192kbps.
21:06:06preglowugh, 128kbps
21:06:23Ribsit sounds pretty good, actually
21:06:28preglowwell, it's ok
21:06:30Ribsa lot better than FM, very clear
21:06:31preglowbut could be better
21:06:41TeaSea128kbps in WHAT though?
21:06:42Ribswell, my experience of 128k mp3 files is 'urgh'
21:06:46linuxstbRibs: A lot better than bad FM. It doesn't touch good FM though.
21:07:00TeaSeaWhat the fuck is the world's obsession with mp2 and mpeg2?
21:07:07preglowthey're just now starting to introduce dab radio in norway
21:07:13Ribslinuxstb, well, it's clear enough for me to think it can't get much better
21:07:15TeaSeampeg2 should never have been kept on for a DVD compression format.
21:07:17preglowi really wish they'd go with some other standard
21:07:23RibsI can enjoy it without worrying about it, put it that way :)
21:07:27preglowTeaSea: it's not even mpeg2, it's mpeg1 layer 2
21:07:40TeaSeapreglow: Ow
21:07:49preglowTeaSea: a codec that's been around for probably fifteen years
21:08:26uskii suppose it's easy enough to encode/decode for cheap DSPs
21:08:28preglowsome other digital broadcasting systems with more efficients codecs exist
21:08:29preglowlike drm
21:08:34preglowas in digital radio mondioale
21:08:38preglowmondiale too
21:09:00preglowuski: yeah, but todays dsps can decode aac without even breaking a sweat
21:09:01uskia friend of mine is working with mpeg2 encoders and they are having problems encoding high definition streams in mpeg2 in real time
21:09:05pregloweven the cheaper ones
21:09:10uskiyea but encoding is hard
21:09:13preglowyou don't even need a dsp, just a cpu
21:09:20uskiand they have to encode in real time
21:09:24linuxstbuski: Which country is that?
21:09:27uskilinuxstb: France
21:09:33uskiwhy ?
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21:09:40uskii don't think we are using pre-1980 technologies
21:09:55uskior maybe it was mpeg4 i'm not sure actually
21:09:58linuxstbOdd, all of Europe is broadcasting HD in MPEG-4.
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21:10:19uskiyea could be mpeg4
21:10:30preglowencoding hd mpeg4 in realtime sounds like it'd need a kickass computer doing the number crunching
21:10:44uskithey did it, but it was not easy
21:10:50linuxstbIt could well be MPEG-4 - I was watching the BBC's high-definition (MPEG-4) coverage of the world cup, and the picture was very poor compared to their pre-recorded broadcasts.
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21:11:13preglownothing pleases me more than a shitty encoded broadcast
21:11:15uskithey did it for Rolland Garros tennis cup
21:11:19preglowmakes me miss analogue broadcasting
21:11:42uskisomething that i find stupid is that they made INTERLACED HD
21:11:53preglowgod, yes
21:11:59uskiinterlacing is one of the worst thing that can happen to a stream
21:12:03preglowretarded is the word you're looking for
21:12:20uskii thought that they would get rid of that ASAP, so when I heard of HD I thought it was no longer interlaced...
21:12:34uskibig mistake, they happily interlaced all the formats
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21:12:57Massalinuxstb: you do know a lot of most things in Rockbox - I need your advice ;)
21:13:14linuxstbIt's not all interlaced - there's both 720p and 1080i formats. But in Europe, 1080i does seem to be the most popular...
21:13:19Paul_The_NerdThe first HD cable box I received from my cable company ONLY output at 1080i
21:13:24Paul_The_NerdIndependent of what the channel was broadcast in.
21:13:34uskilinuxstb: interesting
21:13:49linuxstbMassa: I know nothing about WPS parsing...
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21:14:25Massalwhen I change the behaviour of wps_data_preload_tags - would it have a chance to get comitted?
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21:15:39Paul_The_NerdWouldn't that kinda depend on what you make the new behaviour?
21:17:18MassaCurrently a WPS line will be send to wps_data_preload_tags-function; if that function detects one of the preload tags the whole line will be removed from further parsing.
21:18:03MassaIf it does not directly detect a preload tag it will put the whole line in the format_buffer for later "normal" parsing.
21:19:10MassaBecause of that behaviour currently tags which are handled by the wps_data_preload_tags function must be the only tag in a line and must start at the beginning of the line.
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21:20:33MassaActually I want to know if there is a reason why the preload tags got removed from the format_buffer...
21:20:47BgerMassa: i really don't think u should put any efforts in this
21:21:06MassaBGer: why not?
21:21:26Bgerthe current wps parsing algo should be gone soon (at least i hope so:))
21:21:41MassaBger: who is working on it?
21:22:05Bgernoone atm, but the idea is to switch the wps to viewports ...
21:22:05linuxstbIf anyone is interested, here is what "dosfsck -l" says is on my MP3 player's FAT16 partition. Linux itself only shows me the CONFIG directory:
21:23:10MassaBger, I know the idea - but somebody must have a deeper sight on what's planned and make it real ;)
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21:23:36*BHSPitMonkey will paypal someone 10 bucks if they can successfully recover my iPod's partitions without losing anything, via ssh
21:25:13MassaCurrently I have a problem with the album art parsing - and to fix it I'll try to make the parsing of the preload tags bettter...
21:25:25MikachuBHSPitMonkey: what has happened to it?
21:25:57Bgerbtw, just to warn all of you again... DON'T allow your player's battery to go flat while in USB mode, especially if u're writing something onto it
21:26:03Paul_The_NerdIf the problem is that preload tags need to be on their own line, why not just put them on their own line?
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21:27:06preglowlinuxstb: nice directory name...
21:27:16BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, my partition table's all out of whack
21:27:20Bgerlinuxstb: are these mp3 files clean mp3 streams
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21:27:52MikachuBHSPitMonkey: that is a result, not a cause
21:28:02MassaPaul_The_Nerd: because I need to make some initial parsing for the album art, just to detect if a album art tag or its conditional tag is used inside the WPS.
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21:28:44BHSPitMonkeyyou didn't specify that much, Mikachu ... anyway, I did a "Update" with the apple updater, and then my Linux partition became invisible (it still existed, but the partition table just showed one big FAT32 partition swallowing it up)
21:28:44Paul_The_NerdI imagine as long as whatever you do doesn't break existing WPSes, and provides an actual benefit, then it'll probably be okay.
21:29:08BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, so I ran testdisk, and it tried to recover it, and now it's more messed up
21:29:12MikachuBHSPitMonkey: so you have ipl and rockbox on it?
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21:29:44BHSPitMonkeyand I really don't want to lose the contents of my FAT partition
21:29:59BHSPitMonkeyI know they're there, but you can't see them...
21:30:08Mister_XHey, can anyone help me with my Nano? It's acting funny after installing rockbox, I want to get rid of the rockbox partition, reflash to my applefirmware, and try again.
21:30:25preglowMister_X: how is it acting funny?
21:30:28MikachuBHSPitMonkey: i see, and you're sure the updater didn't format it or anything? only repartitioned?
21:30:41MassaPaul_The_Nerd: well - I'll try, but I don't want to investage more effort if it does not have any chance to get comitted...
21:30:43Mister_XWell, instead of booting into the original firmware, it just .. dosen't
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21:30:51Mister_Xit always goes into rockbox no matter what
21:30:59BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, no, the updater just updates the firmware (and apparently jacks with the partition table), and the Restore function formats it
21:31:05linuxstbBger: Yes, they seem to be. If I do "madplay diskimage.bin", madplay will skip through the rubbish and find some MP3 data to play.
21:31:13MikachuBHSPitMonkey: hm, okay
21:31:15BHSPitMonkeyMister_X, hold MENU while it's starting
21:31:20Mister_XDid that
21:31:22MikachuBHSPitMonkey: you sort of have to know exactly how it was partitioned before
21:31:26BHSPitMonkeyMister_X, the timing is tricky
21:31:29MassaActually I didn't want to have a deeper look at the albumart until the viewports have been comitted ;)
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21:31:30Mister_XI know
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21:31:45BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, testdisk actually detects the partition locations somewhat
21:31:45Mister_XI'm familiar with it, but the only way to get it to work is to use the ipodupdater..
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21:31:52Mister_XThen I lose the rockbox.
21:32:00Paul_The_NerdMassa: Well, you still haven't really said what you're going to have it *do* so it's not like someone here who has commit can say "Yes, I will commit changes you make, even though I don't know what they are, how well written they will be, and any side effects they may have."
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21:32:11MikachuBHSPitMonkey: i would recommend dumping /dev/sda to a file, and then experiment on the file
21:32:12Mister_XI've had it working on another now broken nano. Know about the tricky timing. But I think the thing is messed up..
21:32:33Mister_Xbecause, transfers to the device are super slow, and I can't get it to boot original firmware, ever.
21:32:34BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, if only I had the hard drive space :S
21:33:02Paul_The_NerdMister_X: Does it ever say "Loading original firmware"?
21:33:03MikachuBHSPitMonkey: what ipod is it?
21:33:13Mister_XIt tries. but then just jumps into the rockbox
21:33:16MassaPaul_The_Nerd: I want to do two things: first I want extend the parsing in wps_data_preload_tags so that it also detects tags which don't start on the first column.
21:33:16BHSPitMonkeyMister_X, on the nano, hardware diskmode is usb 1.1, and firmware diskmode is 2.0
21:33:16linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: Have you tried repartitioning in the same way you had it before?
21:33:18Mister_XIt does say it yes.
21:33:35BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, 30gb 5G
21:33:40Paul_The_NerdMister_X: It sounds like you may have improperly created the bootloader.
21:33:44Mister_XI think it's partition tables are screwed up. I think I may have tried to partition it twice. (install rockbox twice)
21:33:50Mister_Xmaybe yeah
21:33:52MikachuBHSPitMonkey: did you partition it exactly as the ipl install instructions said?
21:34:01BHSPitMonkeylinuxstb, I don't know that I could nail the cylinder values, etc
21:34:03Mister_Xuh.. I did that twice
21:34:23Paul_The_NerdMister_X: Why did you do it twice?
21:34:29Paul_The_NerdThat's the problem right there.
21:34:31MassaPaul_The_Nerd: Second I don't want it to automatically remove the detected tags from the format_buffer - maybe a return value which tells it to remove it...
21:34:35BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, the partition table was like this, [empty][ fat32 ~30gb ][linux]
21:34:39Mister_XAh sorry, responding to the wrong folks.. (I go as cartoonmonkey on the web)
21:34:55MikachuBHSPitMonkey: i think there are exact numbers on their wiki
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21:35:12Mister_XPaul: I don't know.. wasn't thinking. It was late..
21:35:20BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, I didn't use exact numbers. I did it at a time before that was documented that way, anyways.
21:35:24Paul_The_NerdMassa: Well, as I said, as long as it doesn't break existing WPSes, and is actually beneficial, it'll probably get accepted. Nobody can guarantee it will.
21:35:42MikachuBHSPitMonkey: i see
21:35:43Paul_The_NerdMister_X: Well, that's what caused your problem. And I doubt you have the bootpartition.bin from the *first* time.
21:35:58MikachuBHSPitMonkey: but i think as long as you have the start of the fat partition right, the end doesn't really matter
21:35:59Mister_XPaul: Yep, that's it.
21:36:24Paul_The_NerdMister_X: THought it's *possible* that if you just write the bootpartition.bin from the second time back, it'll work as it's supposed to, as that would theoretically only have the one bootloader in it.
21:36:46BHSPitMonkeyMikachu, yeah, I think I'm gonna try and recreate the oversized FAT situation, then I'll have my files at least
21:36:46Mister_XSo.. I wonder if I downgrade my ipodupdater to an older version, it will blow away all my rockbox partitions..
21:36:50BHSPitMonkeyI'm fine with the linux one being lost
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21:37:14MikachuBHSPitMonkey: i am guessing you put the partition on a block boundary, so there are only a couple of values to try
21:37:38Mikachuon the nano, the firmware partition is 10 blocks by default
21:37:40Mister_XPaul: I dunno man.. tried that.. it functions.. but everything is slow.. like 1/2 usb 1.0 speeds on transfers
21:37:54Paul_The_NerdMister_X: Tried what?
21:38:11Paul_The_NerdWhat does transfer speed have to do with booting into the Apple OS?
21:38:17Mister_XTried just putting the bootpartition.bin from the 2nd time back again
21:38:21Paul_The_NerdWe were discussing why your ipod cannot boot into Apple OS.
21:38:55tommeyerHi, I was trying to build the cross-compilers using, and when I tried to build all, on two completely different Linux systems (an older Slackware, and a SUSE 10.1 box), it ended up not working in the same part (I think libcrt). However, just building ARM worked fine. Any ideas?
21:39:30Mister_XPaul: Yes, but it can, if I use ipodupdater.. everything is fine. I can then again apply the bootpartition.bin for rockbox from my 2nd try.. but then rockbox works, no original apple firmware.
21:39:53Mister_XAnd very slow transfer speeds
21:40:00Paul_The_NerdYou aren't answering the questions I'm actually asking.
21:40:13Mister_XOh oh
21:40:13tommeyerMore info: it died building the arm compiler, when building "all", but built it fine by itself.
21:40:17Paul_The_NerdI never asked anything about the Apple updater.
21:40:33Mister_XTranfer speed.. is normal usb 2.0 when I'm in the apple OS, when in rockbox, it is very very slow.
21:40:36Paul_The_NerdIf you use the Apple Updater to restore the Apple OS, then you should start the *whole* process over again. Don't reuse files
21:40:44Paul_The_NerdYou're NEVER transferring in Rockbox
21:40:53Paul_The_NerdRockbox reboots into Emergency Disk Mode
21:40:57Paul_The_NerdWhich on the iPod Nano is very slow
21:41:11Mister_Xbut looking at the drive using the manager tool in xp.. after updating Ipod using the updater, that rockbox partition is still there. I can see it..
21:41:31Paul_The_NerdWhat Rockbox partition?
21:41:35Paul_The_NerdRockbox doesn't require a special partition...
21:41:53Paul_The_NerdAll you do is install the bootloader, and copy some files
21:42:07Paul_The_NerdAnd to install the bootloader, you need to be working with a *clean* bootpartition.bin
21:42:10Mister_Xbut.. dosen't it create an 80 gig partition or so?
21:42:16Paul_The_NerdWe've already established that the one from your second attempt *wasn't* clean.
21:42:21Mister_Xok ok
21:42:25Paul_The_NerdAlso.... 80 gigs?
21:42:31Paul_The_NerdWhat player do you have that has that much storage?
21:43:18Mister_Xer.. sorry
21:43:24Mister_X80 MB
21:43:28Mister_XI just mistyped
21:43:33Paul_The_NerdThat's the apple firmware partition
21:43:36Paul_The_NerdIt's always there.
21:43:43Mister_Xok thanks paul
21:43:55Mister_XI'm a cartoonist and animator.. a tiny bit slow with the hardware
21:44:01Paul_The_NerdAfter using the updater, delete *all* .bin files you have except bootloader-nano.bin
21:44:17Paul_The_NerdThen start the process over for creating rockboot.bin
21:44:59Mister_Xthanks for the help
21:45:24Mister_XI just bought a Creative Zen vision M, swearing I'd never buy another apple product. .(ipod)
21:45:29Mister_Xand the zen is very cool..
21:45:40Mister_Xbut I hadn't realized.. how featherlight the nano is
21:45:50Mister_Xand how much I loved rockbox
21:46:08Mister_XThe Zen is going up on Ebay today.
21:46:30Mister_XIt is cool that it has video out, and can play XVID / Divx right out of the box though.
21:46:32ToyKeeperHmm. I haven't worked on my rockbox theme for a couple weeks. Maybe I should just release it.
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21:47:02Mister_XYou should
21:47:20Mister_XI've been using the WMP 11 blackice theme
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21:47:42Mister_Xhas anyone compiled a version for the nano that includes albumart yet?
21:47:53ToyKeeperI haven't done anything with the volume or battery graphics yet.
21:48:18Mister_XWhoa that's crazy looking! Pretty cool.. Like that zigzag.
21:48:30Paul_The_NerdToyKeeper: While not my thing, I have to say I like the fact that at least *I* can't recognize it as being modelled after some software MP3 player or DAP that I'm familiar with.
21:48:31Mister_XI should do a cartoon version too.
21:48:42Mister_XHey how hard is it to make a theme?
21:48:46Paul_The_NerdPretty easy
21:48:48ToyKeeperI tried making some volume images, but ran into some sort of size limit in rockbox.
21:48:50Paul_The_NerdSee the CustomWPS wiki page.
21:48:55Paul_The_NerdWell, "easy" is a relative term
21:49:03Paul_The_NerdIt seems very overwhelming at first.
21:49:08BHSPitMonkeyanyone here have a 30GB 5G?
21:49:09Paul_The_NerdBut take a little time and it's really a lot less bad than it looks
21:49:12Mister_XI wish I could do a little animation for it too.
21:49:28Mister_XLooks like a nice little project for me in the future..
21:49:28ToyKeeperThemes are pretty easy... just make a layout for the text, and then use some sort of image program to draw graphics around them.
21:49:40Mister_XAwesome.. think I'm gonna try it.
21:50:07ToyKeeperI'd recommend a vector graphics program like illustrator or inkscape, but that's just my preference.
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21:50:21Paul_The_NerdThe *easiest* solution is to do all of the text first, take a screendump, and then use that as a layer in a drawing program to get coordinates and draw your backdrop. :)
21:50:24Mister_XOh yeah inkscape is great!
21:50:28Mister_XUsing that on my tablet pc
21:50:37ToyKeeperPaul_The_Nerd: Yeah, exactly. :)
21:50:58Mister_XXara has a really nice little vector app too
21:51:03Paul_The_NerdPeople seem to think it's a *challenge* to get the text and graphics to line up, but they're always doing them separately.
21:51:05Mister_Xforget what it's called
21:51:28Mister_XYou seen Synfig?
21:52:02Mister_XNot necessarily a drawing app.. but meant for making animated films.
21:52:26Mister_XGot it running on xp.. although setting up Ubutnu 64bit soon to try it on.
21:52:44Mister_XThat and a 64bit Blender3D compilation..
21:52:56ToyKeeperBlender wouldn't be a bad tool for rockbox themes.
21:53:48Mister_XNo I'd think you could do some very cool stuff with it
21:54:48ToyKeeperI used it to make web site themes a long time ago... it worked pretty well except that I have absolutely no graphic design skills. :)
21:55:11ToyKeeperDesign by random dabbling doesn't work so well...
21:55:43Mister_XI dunno.. there's a lot of cool "generative" design programs out there that do cool stuff algorythmically..
21:56:27Mister_XCheck that crazy program out
22:01:01ToyKeeperI made the background I'm using with Fyre... fun program to play with.
22:01:57ToyKeeperOh, oops. I haven't made ff/rw/stop/pause icons yet.
22:02:03ToyKeeperI should probably do that.
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22:12:37Mister_XDude that Fyre program is cool!
22:12:43Mister_XRendering an animation with it now
22:13:08BHSPitMonkeyanyone here have a 30GB 5G? if you could be so kind as to pastebin your fdisk -l output, that'd be really great
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22:16:47freqmodHello does anybody else get an uninitialized tag cache when loaded into ram after a few songs on ipod?
22:17:31Mister_XI wish I understood the tag cache..
22:17:40Mister_XI'm new-ish to the rockbox
22:17:42Mister_Xsorry man
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22:39:10linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: Do you still need the fdisk -l output from a 30GB 5g?
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22:42:41ToyKeeperWell, I'll add it to the wiki once I've added the missing icons, but for now, it's available elsewhere:
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22:47:20BHSPitMonkeylinuxstb, yes please
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22:51:08Rednifrehi there.
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22:53:17RednifreMaybe you can give me an advice. I'm thinking about buying an mp3-player. The iRiver 300 series seems to have a nice screen, but the description says nothing about video playback. I don't know much about rockbox, but does it have video playback and would it work on a H300?
22:53:19amiconn...should I stay or should I go...
22:53:59linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: The original, unmodified partitions?
22:54:44dionoea40 kbps/sec internet is horrible ...
22:55:20amiconnFOr irc it's sufficient :)
22:55:50dionoeakind of :)
22:56:17qwmwow amiconn, you actually smiled. :)
22:56:27Paul_The_NerdRednifre: Rockbox is just beginning to have video support, though right now it's without audio, and quite slow.
22:56:49Paul_The_NerdRednifre: The international version of the original firmware supports 10fps video playback I believe.
22:56:53BHSPitMonkeylinuxstb, original is what I'm hoping for
22:57:01linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: That's the original.
22:57:07BHSPitMonkeythank you
22:57:32*preglow just baked the nicest bread seen this side of the moon
22:57:39qwmgot a photo of it, preglow ?
22:57:40preglowtaking orders!
22:57:41linuxstbGive us a slice...
22:57:42qwmand smell sample.
22:57:47RednifreHm. What should I buy if I want video playback? The Video iPod is so expensive...
22:57:48qwmoh, i'll order one then.
22:58:00linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Does the Sansa do video?
22:58:01qwmRednifre: the ipod nano. ;)
22:58:09preglowin about twenty minutes, i'll be having a stomach ache
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22:58:16qwmhehe preglow
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22:58:56*linuxstb has managed to salvage the hidden files from his MP3 player, but no sign of any firmware files...
22:58:56Bagderlinuxstb: it does
22:59:07Bagderbut not any particularly good
22:59:15Rednifrecan the ipod nano play videos?
22:59:23Rednifreor do i need ipod linux for that?
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22:59:36BHSPitMonkeyhow would I find out WHAT is making a resource/device busy? (ipod)
22:59:38linuxstbSo, how do you port Rockbox to a device with no available firmware upgrades from the manufacturer, and no sign of a firmware on the disk?
22:59:39freqmodrednifre: with ipodlinux, but only uncompressed
22:59:40Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yeah, it does.
23:00:17linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: Are you in Linux?
23:00:36Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I hear it's only MJPEG. You have to put stuff through this media converter it has (which oddly enough won't recognize the format it converts TO so you can't back them up on the PC and use it to sync them back later)
23:00:41RednifreHm, so the best choice for a cheap video player would be an iPod nano with rockbox and linux?
23:00:57linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: Then "lsof | grep /dev/sde" might work (replace sde with the drive)
23:01:13Paul_The_NerdRednifre: Sandisk Sansa is probably a better choice than that, if you're not looking for guaranteed Rockbox support.
23:01:19Paul_The_NerdSansa e200 series rather
23:01:31freqmodno, uncompressed video would fill up a 4 gb ipod nano with a few music videoes
23:01:57linuxstbThere's a new compressed video player for the Nano now in IPL, but I've no idea how good it is.
23:01:59RednifreWhat do you mean "uncompressed"? No DivX?
23:02:14BagderRednifre: uncompressed as in no compression as in far from divx
23:02:40freqmodrednifre: .wav sound and a series of .bmp images
23:02:52Bagderbut you should expect to transcode anyway
23:02:54Rednifrethat sounds not good
23:03:03Bagderno matter what I mean
23:03:35RednifreWhat's the best choice, if I want guaranteed rockbox support AND video?
23:04:06preglowipod 5g?
23:04:24Bagderthen there is no other player than ipod video
23:04:35Rednifreno cheap alternative?
23:04:38linuxstbWhat about the X5?
23:04:44Bagderno other do video any good
23:04:48Rednifrewhats with the nano?
23:04:50BagderX5 does 13-15 Fps
23:04:59Bagderwith a supertiny screen
23:05:04Rednifreno problem
23:06:03linuxstbThere is a work-in-progress video player in Rockbox (video only, no sound), and that's performing best on the Nano so far. So it seems feasible Rockbox might have video playback on the Nano at some point.
23:07:17Rednifre...ANd there is iPod Linux... Maybe the nano is the best choice
23:08:18RednifreDid someone tried the blind interface? I'm not blind, but I like the idea of operating rockbox without looking on the screen (like while driving). How good is the blind interface?
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23:13:26Bagderabout this good −−-> <−−-
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23:14:23apo`Rednifre: You mean voice stuff?
23:14:33apo`I like it
23:15:10apo`Except for the fact that I had to record all artist and album names myself coz there's a lot of non-English stuff :P And I don't like my voice
23:16:26RednifreHow does it work? Does it say something like "You are in the main menu. Press play to enter playlist menu"?
23:17:01RednifreWhat will I hear, if I just switched it on and want to start a specific play list?
23:17:35apo`You hear the the line you've selected
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23:52:09linuxstbIf anyone's interested, here's my research so far on my MP3/DAB player:
23:53:09preglowso, you're keeping it, then? :P
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23:56:33Bagderlinuxstb: 512MB?
23:56:49qwmraise your hand if you're a guacamole lover.
23:57:10Bagderlinuxstb: the samsung chip is a nand flash
23:57:40Bagderif its a 1GB
23:58:17Bagder"K9K8G08U1M-YCBO 1G "
23:58:32Bagderat least according to this weird page:

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