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#rockbox log for 2006-08-15

00:00:16*petur slaps forehead when he discovers the h300 eeprom sits at another address as the h100
00:00:32amiconnwill do...
00:00:38*sharpe is disappointed in petur.
00:00:55peturunless that's not the eeprom answering :/
00:01:00*amiconn suspects his lcd_yuv_blit() to be slower than jhMikeS'
00:01:02miraklinuxstb: have you a mpeg1 sample ?
00:01:15linuxstbmirak: No.
00:01:18XavierGrpetur: so all this time there is a bug?
00:01:37linuxstbmirak: I think I tried one, but it decoded at a similar speed to MPEG2.
00:01:41XavierGror you just trying to talk to the chip?
00:02:00linuxstbmirak: But it would definitely be interesting to test some more.
00:02:03dan_aDoes anyone know of a better way to create a series of incremental patches than just copying the directory I'm working on at each step?
00:02:38peturXavierGr: no, there's no eeprom driver for h300 yet
00:02:39sharpedan_a: copy the directory every other step? :)
00:03:02amiconnMy suspicion was wrong, or at least covered by the faster lcd writing (half the data and no special unstuffing)
00:03:16amiconn160x128 plays at ~14.5fps on H340
00:03:28XavierGrpetur: but something is wrong and the chip data get changed right?
00:03:55peturXavierGr: that's the main reason I'm looking into this
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00:04:49illogic-alTeaSea: ogg playback on the Z5 is apparently a workaround. their exists a WMP10 og plugin
00:05:05illogic-al search the comments for ogg
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00:11:51XavierGrwell 224*176 is running from 6,5-8 fps on H300
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00:11:59XavierGrthough the bitrate is very high!
00:12:23linuxstbYes, I'm going to try some lower quality settings.
00:12:37linuxstbBut they look good IMO...
00:12:50XavierGryeah they look fantastic
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00:12:57XavierGrbut the speed is to low to watch
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00:13:46linuxstbWhat bitrate are the files used by the OF?
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00:14:02dionoeaare the LCD draw routines/speed still the biggest issue on the bigger screens ?
00:14:22linuxstbA little, but I think mainly it's the extra data that needs to be decoded.
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00:16:03XavierGrlinuxstb: let me check
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00:16:16Goombaanyone here?
00:16:32linuxstbGoomba: Many people...
00:16:49markunall awaiting your question..
00:16:59Goombawell, a friend of mine wants rockbox on his ipod. i've only used it on an iriver
00:17:16Goombadoes it dual boot the same way, and does it remove any of the drm stuff?
00:17:51linuxstbYes and No.
00:18:17XavierGrlinuxstb: the max bitrate is 500kbps video and 128 kbps audio!
00:18:36linuxstbXavierGr: OK. I'll try and generate a similar MPEG-2 file.
00:18:45sharpeGoomba: it dual boots with the apple firmware, and does not modify the apple firmware in any way.
00:18:51linuxstbGoomba: You asked two questions, I answered them...
00:18:58Goombaok, thanks sharpe
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00:19:37Goombawhat are the dualboot buttons on ipod?
00:19:47amiconnlinuxstb: I'd keep a uniform quality setting. Maybe q4 would be good?
00:20:52sharpeGoomba: rockbox is the default firmware, while booting, hold menu for the apple firmware, and hold play for ipodlinux. all of this is in the manual...
00:20:53Paul_The_NerdGoomba: It's just one, Menu
00:21:17linuxstbamiconn: I just tried -q5 on my 320x240 file, and that (compared to -q3) brought the bitrate down from 1528kbps to 976kbps.
00:21:33amiconnHow does it look?
00:21:53linuxstbLet me just play them together...
00:22:59linuxstbI can't tell the difference.
00:24:25S0apanything above 1k @ 320x240 is a game of diminishing returns.
00:25:03S0apbelow 1k, it quickly becomes a game of motion detection of the encoder.
00:25:12linuxstbIt probably also depends on the source quality. This is a very high quality source, so I expect we can get better results with low bitrates.
00:25:39Goombaanyone feel like talking me through the install?
00:25:40amiconnThe source is digital so no sensor noise
00:25:44linuxstbI'll try a -q6 for 224x176 and see what happens.
00:27:40Mikachudoes mpeg2enc not support 2-pass encoding with a target bitrate?
00:28:08linuxstbI'm not sure - it didn't use to, but I read something about someone implementing it.
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00:28:41linuxstbMy version's quite old - I haven't been following the project too closely recently.
00:28:45Goombawhats the chance of bricking the ipod with this?
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00:29:01Mikachunear zero
00:29:13Paul_The_NerdGoomba: Current theory says it's impossible to brick the iPod with this. At the very least, nobody's been able to do it yet. ;)
00:29:16linuxstbSo close to zero, you'll be the first person to achieve it.
00:29:35Goombais it removeable?
00:29:51linuxstbGoomba: The ipod installation only modifies the firmware on the disk - it doesn't touch the flash.
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00:30:33SoapYay! I got my old nick back!
00:30:39Soapsorry for the OT.
00:31:30petur2consider registering it and link it with a backup one
00:31:57sharpeSoap: i remember you talking about that...
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00:32:49XavierGrpetur are you deliberately writing with colours?
00:33:07petur2am I?
00:33:15XavierGrfor me yes
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00:33:22linuxstbI haven't seen any colours.
00:33:29sharpenor have i.
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00:33:34*amiconn is filtering colours
00:33:40XavierGrperhaps my script just got crazy
00:34:11p3turhmmm just saw my indentify failed
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00:34:40peturidentify too
00:38:21Soappetur - oh yes, that is done.
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00:42:41ToyKeeperSoap: Er, you asked about this a while ago... sorry for the delay.
00:43:16linuxstb-q6 with 224x176 gave me a file at 469kbps, so I guess that will be comparable to the iriver OF files.
00:43:42Soapthank you ToyKeeper.
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00:44:48*petur wonders why all eeprom bytes seem to read stable except 0xF8 and 0xFF
00:47:59XavierGrlinuxstb: yes i would like to test that
00:49:03linuxstbXavierGr: Uploading now.
00:52:42*amiconn wonders how video support should work on the (in-dev) portrait-display targets
00:53:00linuxstbI think markun rotated his test video (to test in the Sim!)
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00:53:20linuxstbi.e. rotated as part of the encoding process.
00:53:30amiconnIf we're going for rotation, lcd_yuv_blit could do that
00:54:50ToyKeepervideo? arr?
00:54:56*ToyKeeper digs mencoder
00:55:36Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Rotation on-target should definitely be an option, I think.
00:56:00ToyKeeperI'd pretend to miss the video playback features from my original X5 firmware, but ... well. The only time I ever used that was to see if it worked. 1.5" screens just aren't so great. :)
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00:59:05amiconnFor those who use vmware/vmware player: A new version of both is out, including new vmware tools which are working in conjunction with xorg 7.0
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01:06:56linuxstbXavierGr: Same file is now on if you want to get it from there.
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01:08:00webguest05do i need to put my doom wads into \games\doom to tryout doom ?
01:08:37Paul_The_NerdThat's what the instructions say, right?
01:08:47webguest05some say \doom\
01:09:02Paul_The_NerdWhat ones are those?
01:09:11Paul_The_NerdBoth the Manual and the PluginDoom page say /games/doom/
01:10:48webguest05ddon code redone to search for files in /doom
01:10:50***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:11:03webguest05on rockdoom site
01:11:44Paul_The_NerdWhat Rockdoom site?
01:11:51Paul_The_NerdRockdoom is a Rockbox plugin.
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01:12:06Paul_The_NerdThe information relating to it is in the wiki on the PluginDoom page.
01:12:14Paul_The_NerdSo, could you link me to where this other information is?
01:14:35Paul_The_NerdWhere the second and third lines of the first post tell you that the more up to date information is elsewhere...
01:16:03webguest05i scrolled down too far
01:16:31Paul_The_NerdIt's generally a good idea to actually *read* the instructive posts. ;)
01:17:07webguest05eh i generally dont like when im reformatting stuff
01:17:23webguest05my 4g crashes a lot during ogg playback still
01:17:38amiconnlinuxstb: 224x176 q6 plays at ~9.6fps on H340
01:18:04webguest05it reboots and then freezes during reboot
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01:18:10webguest05then i have to manually reboot
01:18:24webguest05and it works again
01:19:52webguest05my oggs are at -q8
01:20:02XavierGrlinuxstb: I am downloading it now
01:20:04linuxstbamiconn: Yes, it's faster on my Photo as well - about 16fps compared to about 14fps
01:20:33linuxstbamiconn: Can you notice much degradation in the quality?
01:21:15linuxstbNo, nor can I... I should go lower.
01:21:27webguest05flac is really the best playback on it..granted it is lossless but still...there seems to be a lot of artifacts on my ipod with ogg
01:21:57Soapcan you ABX ogg q8 and ogg q5 even?
01:22:52webguest05Soap: how do you do that?
01:23:17Paul_The_Nerdwebguest05: What kind of artifacts?
01:23:18Soapthere are plenty of ABX programs out there.
01:23:25SoapI ABX through foobar.
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01:28:04Paul_The_Nerdwebguest05: Hello?
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01:30:52mirakI get better frame rates with mpeg1
01:31:29linuxstbIt seems this file is too good for mpeg2enc. Even -q8 is looking good - it's still encoding, but will probably end up around 340kbps.
01:31:49linuxstbmirak: How much better? And what bitrate mpeg-1 files?
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01:32:19linuxstbmirak: Also, it seems that at least with this particular source file, I can reduce the bitrate down a lot, and still get a good quality encode.
01:32:34amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, how did that profiling stuff work again?
01:32:47*amiconn just realised that profiling should work on coldfire...
01:33:04linuxstbYou're asking the wrong person - lostlogic wrote it... I tried it once, but couldn't get it working.
01:33:17linuxstbAlthough others have succeeded.
01:34:37webguest05doom look like one big blue blob
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01:40:10webguest05why did they even bother porting it to a g4? :)
01:41:35webguest05i got as far as "gamma correction" and it was just a lighter blue blob
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01:42:29Goombahow can i place files onto an ipod outside of itunes?
01:42:45Goombait only shows up as a disk for a few seconds
01:43:13linuxstbHave you ticked the box in itunes to allow you to access the ipod as a disk?
01:43:14Paul_The_NerdGoomba: Is it set to be usable as a disk?
01:43:25Goombahow do i do that?
01:43:40linuxstbIt's one of the options... I can't remember where.
01:43:51sharpeunder 'iPod' options.
01:44:12Goombafound it
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01:48:20GoombaYAY TAHNKS YOU LOL
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01:48:46linuxstbI guess it worked then...
01:48:56[HO]volthello. can someone here give me an honest review of the iaudio? i'm in the market for a new mp3player
01:50:10linuxstbXavierGr, amiconn: I've just uploaded an even lower bitrate 224x176 file.
01:51:37Paul_The_Nerd[HO]volt: It plays music.
01:52:04[HO]voltPaul_The_Nerd: I think I hate you. Just a little bit.
01:52:55[HO]voltI found one, anyway.
01:53:13Paul_The_NerdYou asked for one that's honest. ;)
01:53:58[HO]voltWell more or less, anyone reading now have an iaudio x5 and does anyone not like it for any reason.
01:54:09[HO]voltAnd yes, that was a question?
01:54:16amiconnlinuxstb: This way the fps test gets rather synthetic
01:54:47Paul_The_Nerd[HO]volt: Most people seem to be quite happy with it. Though you have to make a choice between battery life or capacity
01:54:48linuxstbamiconn: Yes, we need a wider range of test files.
01:54:56amiconnOther video sources encoded at -q8 won't look nearly as good
01:55:02linuxstbI agree.
01:55:53[HO]voltPaul_The_Nerd: How do you mean? Larger disks have poor battery life, i would assume, naturally?
01:55:55linuxstbBTW, I mis-remembered what the -q option is in mpeg2enc - it's quantization, not quality. The default is 8, and the range is 1-31 (with 1 being highest quality, but highest bitrate)
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01:56:29Mikachuin 2pass encoding the quant would be adjusted per frame, right?
01:57:03Paul_The_Nerd[HO]volt: No, there's a model with an extended battery but it only comes in 30gigs.
01:57:09miraklinuxstb: hum about 1fps in favor of mpeg1 :-/
01:57:13linuxstbI think so. I think mpeg2enc can adjust it in one-pass as well. But tuning the mpeg2enc is a full-time career.
01:57:24Mikachuyeah lots of options there
01:57:37linuxstbmirak: What bitrate?
01:57:39amiconnHmm. How can I switch between gcc 4.0 and 4.1 if both are installed (debian)?
01:57:40[HO]voltPaul_The_Nerd: Thank you. Is there any fix for the 9,999 max file limit? AKA does rockbox fix this or is it hardware related?
01:57:49Paul_The_NerdRockbox fixes it
01:57:54Paul_The_NerdIt's entirely silly, and software related.
01:57:58Mikachuwebguest35: OMG TURN OFF CAPS LOCK?
01:58:08linuxstbwebguest35: Are you charging it?
01:58:11Paul_The_Nerdwebguest35: No need for all caps. Have you tried returning to the file browser and holding Play/Pause?
01:58:20webguest35yes i have... i have also factory restored it...
01:58:31webguest35its got the factory software on it, not roxbox
01:58:31[HO]voltThanks Paul. You just convinced me to spend $358. So if it sucks, i am blaming you. <3
01:58:33Paul_The_NerdIf you've factory restored it, and are in Apple firmware.... why are you asking us?
01:58:46Mikachuyou can't turn it off in apple os... only soft sleep
01:58:54Mikachuwait 36 hours and it will deep sleep like rockbox does
01:58:58Paul_The_Nerd[HO]volt: You may not want to trust just me. I don't own one, so can only pass on second hand info. But it seems popular.
01:59:19[HO]voltPaul_The_Nerd: thank you for your honesty. I'll read like 10,000 more reviews then probably still buy it
01:59:31miraklinuxstb: 300kbs
02:00:05linuxstbmirak: That probably explains the difference. I've just uploaded a 364kbps test MPEG-2 file - have you tried that?
02:00:11webguest35Would installin roxbox fix the turning off prob>?
02:00:36Mikachuwhat exactly is the problem?
02:00:44webguest35it wont turn off....
02:00:46mirakno I encoded myself with mencoder, here is the settings : mencoder Le\ Couperet.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video:vbitrate=300 -vf scale -zoom -xy 220 -ss 1:20:00 -endpos 1:00 -o couperet-220x176-mpeg1-25fps-300kbs.m2v -of rawvideo -nosound
02:00:55Mikachuwebguest35: when you do what?
02:01:11Mikachuwebguest35: like i said, apple decided you shouldn't be able to turn it off
02:01:23miraklinuxstb: if you want to try mencoder just wont turn off...I accidently washed it and i let it dry for 2 days and it works fine except turning off...
02:01:37Mikachuit "turned off" before that?
02:01:56webguest35wen i held PLAY/PAUSE down
02:01:58webguest35now it wont
02:03:21Mikachumine doesn't either
02:03:31Mikachuhm, now it did
02:03:39Mikachubut it was just soft sleep
02:04:03linuxstbmirak: OK, I'll try it. But my bed is calling me now...
02:04:31webguest35huh mikachu?
02:05:40Mikachuit turned on when i pressed select
02:05:48Mikachuwhen it's off, it only turns on by pressing menu
02:05:50linuxstb224x128 (full-screen, but 16:9) is working around 23fps on my Photo with the -q8 setting - 274kbps.
02:06:26[HO]voltdoes anyone know about the amount of time to start-up the iaudio x5?
02:06:36Mikachuwith rockbox?
02:06:36webguest35ok but any idea how i turn it off?
02:06:59Mikachuwebguest35: the only way i know of is in the diagnostics menu, hold select+menu, then select+left
02:07:06[HO]voltMikachu: if to me, yes, with rockbox
02:07:54Mikachuwebguest35: hm, never mind, you can't do it there :)
02:08:16Mikachui could have sworn you could though
02:08:50Mikachuwebguest35: does it turn off if you leave it for a while?
02:08:54Mikachuwebguest35: (not plugged in to usb)
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02:12:20[HO]voltMikachu: ping timeout'd!
02:14:31Mikachui don't know, i just asked so that someone who knew wouldn't have to ask that first
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02:15:43webguest-35ok my ipod wont turn off, do you think installing ROCKbox will solve it
02:16:51Soapyou don't have rockbox installed?
02:17:11Soapwhat button turns off the ipod in stock firmware?
02:17:22Paul_The_NerdThe iPod in stock doesn't
02:17:23Soap(I forget)
02:17:39Soapand I assume that button works in all other contexts?
02:17:41Paul_The_Nerdwebguest-35: Seriously, this is something you should contact apple about, if anything. It sounds like your washing of the player has perhaps damaged it.
02:18:08webguest-35it does play n pause songs just not turn off
02:18:10SoapYea, this is a hardware issue, not a firmware/software one.
02:18:39webguest-35but will rockbox help?
02:18:46SoapChanging software (even if it would let you turn it off) is just putting a bandaid over a gaping chest wound.
02:19:07webguest-35yea so itll work
02:19:16webguest-35wat button is it to turn off in rockbox
02:19:24SoapHow did you draw that conclusion from what I said?
02:19:40linuxstbGoodnight all....
02:19:43*linuxstb goes to bed.
02:19:56webguest-35u asked wat button it is to turn ot off so im presuming its a diff button in rockbox
02:19:57webguest-35what button is it
02:20:12*[HO]volt emotes.
02:20:34*[HO]volt just bought and iaudio. thanks Paul_The_Nerd.
02:20:42webguest-35What button is it to turn off ur iPOD in rockbox?
02:21:02SoapHow does it mattter? You already said play/pause works in other contexts, so we know it isn't a failure of the button, and that is all we know.
02:21:31webguest-35is it possible to restore the factory software once u have installed rockbox onto a nano?
02:22:01SoapLet me spell it out. You have damaged hardware (chestwound) and changing software (bandaid) is not the solution.
02:22:27webguest-35so what is my solution? The button works , just not turning it off...
02:22:37sharpethat's a great analogy Soap...
02:22:40SoapThe solution is taking it to apple for service.
02:22:57webguest-35there is no apply stores in scotland...
02:23:12Soapsubstitute sending for taking.
02:23:44Soap<sarcastic>So there are no apply stores, are there Apple stores?</s>
02:23:49webguest-35but wats the harm in just changing software to fix it?
02:24:15Soap.ignore webguest-35
02:24:31sharpethere is no harm, changing the firmware will not fix it.
02:24:32webguest-35ur an asshol
02:24:58sharpemore like, no harm further than what's done.
02:25:11webguest-35i see
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02:25:26JdGordonwhat? if the button works intermitadly, why wouldnt changing software possibly fix it? i brought an ipod back to life because the apple software wouldnt read the hdd properly
02:26:02webguest-35jdGordon are you saying changing the software WILL fix it?
02:26:07SoapI have heard nothing saying intermitandly.
02:26:13JdGordonno, i said possibly
02:26:24SoapHe says play/pause does everything but shutdown.
02:26:28JdGordondidnt he say play/pause works but u cant turn it off with the same button?
02:26:31Soapty Mikachu
02:26:35webguest-35and it was rockbox that fixed it?
02:26:49Soaphe didn't say play/pause sometimes works, or it sometimes shuts down.
02:26:52webguest-35yea it plays...pauses...just wont turn off
02:27:06JdGordonthen bloody install rb and see...
02:27:19JdGordoni mean, you should have it installed anyway coz apply is soo crap
02:27:26webguest-35i was going to but some noob said it wont help...
02:27:31JdGordonthe worst that could happen is that it doesnt fix it and u wasted 10min
02:28:36webguest-35Can u help me install it i dont know what to do...
02:29:00sharpewebguest-35: there is a handy wiki and manual that you can read which supplies instructions...
02:29:06Paul_The_Nerdwebguest-35: In all probability it won't help.
02:29:07SoapIMHO the "worst" that could happen is you put makeup over a serious hardware fault caused by putting your electronic device through the laundry, and fail to fix the problem until it is too late.
02:29:36Paul_The_NerdI mean, putting it through the wash causes hardware damage, and you're looking for a software solution
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02:30:18webguest-35the costumer support over the fone is down as its late so ill try the software change and if not ill fone tommorow....
02:31:51webguest-35What should i try, ROCKbox or iPod LINUX....wats better?
02:32:05*JdGordon looks at channel name
02:32:36sharpewebguest-35: do you really think asking that in a channel named #rockbox will give you an unbiased answer? without telling us what you want the answer based on?
02:32:37webguest-35kk, why is it better?
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02:34:22[HO]voltwebguest-35: this is why it's better
02:36:47webguest-35an anyone help me install rockbox then, i dont understand
02:37:45Mikachudid you try reading the instructions?
02:37:58webguest-35yea i dont understand wat to do
02:38:11Mikachuit is a numbered list of tasks to perform...
02:38:29sharpewebguest-35: which instructions?
02:38:44webguest-352 secs ill get the link
02:40:28sharpewell... the instructions are pretty straightforward...
02:40:35webguest-35i dont understand the " INSTALL A BOOTLOODER" thing
02:42:57webguest-35is that a step u MUST do
02:43:22Mikachuhow about you read the text under the header?
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02:43:49sharpe... Yes. In order to install Rockbox, you MUST install the Rockbox bootloader (or equivalent).
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02:44:13RohnJohndoodes - with x5 rockbox - anyone out there...
02:45:33RohnJohnonce i got the rockbox installed - with bootloader - can i add any newest & patches version to the hd?
02:46:36sharpeRohnJohn: are you asking, "once you install the bootloader, can you update rockbox to a newer version?"
02:46:59RohnJohnsort of - right direction - thats in my 'complex' of questions ;)
02:47:10sharpeyes, yes you can.
02:47:23RohnJohnnice - quite a relief...
02:48:01RohnJohnthis dual boot - kicks 'bottom'
02:51:07RohnJohnahem - so i just replace the existing ones - with the 'latest' on my hd folder?
02:51:20sharpePretty much.
02:52:02RohnJohnyou mean - if i run into complications - thats it than - or is there any imprtant thing to watch out for?
02:52:36[HO]voltRohnJohn: what's your boot time with rockbox
02:53:11RohnJohnin regard to your 'pretty much' - means - thats it - or should i watch some tiny details in this process?
02:53:27RohnJohnone sec [HO]volt
02:53:41sharpeEh, that was a "Yeah, that's it."
02:54:02RohnJohni c - thanks again.
02:54:32RohnJohn[HO]volt - you mean like a 'cold start' ? - on my x5l ?
03:01:16[HO]voltRohnJohn: well going from a state of using no power, to playing music
03:02:06RohnJohnallright than: with ver.060713-1625 - its about 8 seconds.. - to menu
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03:02:50Paul_The_NerdRemember that time can vary significantly depending on your WPS
03:03:00[HO]voltalright, thanks. just didnt want any surprises
03:03:11[HO]voltthats a lot better than my non-flashable jukebox recorder
03:03:22[HO]voltlike 17 second boot time
03:03:52RohnJohncould very well be - minde is zenpod_v4_Iaudio_black (with the including wps)
03:06:50RohnJohnwould it be allright - when i just replace 'rockbox.iaudio' - to make the latest build running?
03:07:28RohnJohnsince the rest of the sub-folders looks like it is already?
03:08:35Soapdepending on the build you should overwrite the sub-folders also.
03:08:40Soapregardless, it can't hurt.
03:09:36RohnJohnok - thnx - Soap
03:09:39SoapAnother good idea is to clear your settings between upgrades. On the ipod you do this by booting with the hold switch on, Irivers do this by booting while holding down the record button, I don't know about the iaudios.
03:10:19RohnJohnrecord button boots the 'iaudiofw as well - so i guess the same
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03:13:29JdGordonmidkay: you around?
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03:15:36sharpeJdGordon: sharpe is around...
03:15:50*JdGordon wants midkay.. not sharpe...
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03:18:54*JdGordon has 14 patches waiting to get commited :'(
03:19:16sharpewell. sharpe can't help you there. i see why you request midkay.
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03:38:58Rudy4PezHey, for iPod 5G, would using the hardware EQ instead of the Rockbox software EQ help with audio skipping do to CPU load?
03:39:51Rudy4PezHot dang, Senab needs to hook me up with a new build. :D
03:43:42Mikachujust use one from the cvs builds page in the meantime
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03:51:12safetydanRudy4Pez: let me know how the hardware eq goes for you if you do use it
03:52:09Rudy4PezYeah, I will as soon as Senab makes a new build.. I don't really use the official ones.
03:52:24Rudy4PezCan't live without the nifty patches. ;)
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03:56:03ShadowdogMUI just sent in a request to get my iPod fixed
03:58:34SoapWhat happened to it?
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04:01:02ShadowdogMUIt came shipped with a sratch on the screen, it won't turn off 1/2 the time and it won't hold a charge (2 weeks old)
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04:04:06ShadowdogMUSo mainly I am hoping they'll just send a new one, that scratch bothers me, I treat my iPod like an egg, it doesn't go anywhere without the case, and the screen touches nothing
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04:04:58ShadowdogMUMy fear now, I did like 10 factory resets on it, in a row out of desperation, and now the battery icon shows it's charging, before it didn't, now I think they'll just send it back
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04:10:17JdGordonmidkay: !!
04:10:34JdGordonhow would you like the honour of doing 2 really quick comits?
04:11:40JdGordon#2685 and #5223
04:14:18*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why JdGordon was hunting one specific dev for that, instead of anyone with commit access.
04:14:37JdGordonthats a fairly valid point....
04:14:53JdGordonok... anyone want to commit them..? ...
04:14:58Paul_The_NerdI was just wondering if you were worried people might object to either of those, or something. ;)
04:16:41midkayhaha i wouldn't.
04:16:50sharpedude, you're so insensitive.
04:16:53midkayhe knows i'd simply commit them.
04:16:54JdGordonaaww :'(
04:17:06JdGordonoh you wouldnt that...
04:17:24midkayhonestly, vmware is messed up as it is.. if your patches are of good quality, you should have no problem asking someone else.. :)
04:18:10SoapIf I wanted to start on an index for the maual, who should I talk to?
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04:18:23Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: With 5223, if I get what you're saying, when using a non-LCD remote, if buttons are pressed on the remote it uses the "LCD Remote" timeouts etc, but for the main screen?
04:18:58JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: no, the request was to turn on the main lcd if your using the non lcd recmote, thats exactly what this does
04:19:59Rudy4PezI like 2685... But then, anything more I can customize makes me happier.. :P
04:20:06JdGordon.. the request doesnt really make much sense.. but the needed code is an added 4 lines so i thought it would be reasonable
04:20:34Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: You misread what I said then. All I said was it turns on the main screen when using non-lcd, but uses the LCD remote's screen timeouts.
04:21:07JdGordonoh, no.. it uses the main lcd timeout.. sorry...
04:21:35*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
04:21:36JdGordonall it does is just tell the main lcd to turn on
04:21:53Paul_The_NerdCan you disable it?
04:22:23JdGordonhehe.. i knew i forgot something :p
04:22:35Rudy4PezExactly what I was thinkin.. lol
04:22:37JdGordonanyway, i gotta goto uni, back in a few hours...
04:23:03JdGordonpretty please commit 285 tho, i have blown my ears a few times forgettgin i left it on full volume :p
04:23:17Rudy4PezYeah, I really like that one..
04:24:22safetydanSoap, the LaTeX system should have index building macros to use already. bluebrother or tucoz would be the people to talk to
04:24:23Paul_The_NerdIf you blow your ears, you were listening too loud when you turned it off :-P
04:24:40safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, or it was hooked up to a stereo
04:24:57Soapsafetydan - thanks for confirming my suspicion, I need to read up on LaTeX
04:25:10Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Ban. You ruin my complaints
04:25:18Rudy4PezPaul_The_Nerd: I usually have my volume set to -8 while I'm skating, so I can actually hear the music.. When I turn it off, and later on, I go to listen to music in a quiet room, -8 is a bit much... Hehe.
04:25:43safetydanYeesh, -8...
04:25:48*safetydan barely gets above -24 in most uses
04:25:58Paul_The_NerdI think it's a worthwhile feature, though it's kinda "protecting users from themselves" since there's not necessarily any reason why they can't just lower the volume in advance.
04:26:13Mikachuthe actual volume depends on target and headphones too..
04:26:25Paul_The_NerdAn easier solution would be to finally implement auto-loading of .cfgs on boot.
04:26:29MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: my tv set has this feature
04:26:38Rudy4PezI have auto-resume-on-startup turned on, so when I turn the unit on, music is playing before I ever have a chance to change the volume.
04:26:53Paul_The_NerdAssuming it didn't auto overwrite it on shutdown.
04:26:57safetydanMikachu, yeah I know... still funny to see people using nearly 20 dB higher volumes than me
04:27:08*Paul_The_Nerd listens at -45 usually
04:27:10Mikachui use anywhere between -30 and -8
04:27:15*Soap is a -50db man
04:27:29Mikachuhow i wear the headphones does +/-10dB too
04:27:43Paul_The_NerdBut really, the question is "how much is this feature worth"?
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04:27:49Rudy4PezWell actually, I got new wheels/bearings for my skateboard, the old ones were such trash.. So now I can listen at like -13.
04:27:54sharpei'm usualy around -50 to -45...
04:28:11Paul_The_NerdBecause every little convenience we add now is something else there may not be room for later.
04:28:34sharpePaul_The_Nerd: indeed, like the thing about the archos firmware size...
04:28:38SoapI have three different sets of headphones, and the (fucking) FM adapter, I just know to check before plugging in every time.
04:28:46Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: That's pretty much exactly it
04:29:00Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Things the users can easily do for themselves seem like they should be REALLY low priority.
04:29:13Paul_The_NerdEspecially since once they're in, you have to pry them out with considerable force.
04:29:28Paul_The_NerdRemoving a feature meets a lot more objection than never having it.
04:29:54sharpeyep. especially if thing evenually are built on top of said feature...
04:30:12Paul_The_NerdOr just because people get used to using it.
04:30:17Mikachui think the feature would be useful, but i have not yet had the volume up too loud by accident
04:30:42Rudy4PezIt's the nature of how you use your player...
04:30:56Rudy4PezSome people never need two volume extremes, others do.
04:31:00Paul_The_Nerd"Useful" and "one of the most valuable uses of that space" are not the same thing
04:31:06SoapOnce recording is active on (most) targets you could build a feedback system to monitor the volume of your chosen headphones and nanny you with an appropriate volume level.
04:31:10sharpeI never knew i had a ruptured eardrum when i was younger... until a while ago...
04:31:13Mikachuif i turn the volume to +6, i can have my phones on the table and hear the music
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04:31:16safetydanJdGordon, have you tried your settings UI patch on iPod? Is scrolly through big lists (like the volume settings) slow?
04:31:22Mikachuobviously it's not good if i put them in my ears with that volume
04:31:40Rudy4Pezlol @ Mikachu
04:32:12Rudy4PezTry -8 when it's 2am and the entire city block is freaking SILENT... :P
04:32:28ShadowdogMUAcording to this email Apple sent me, if I send them my iPod and it needs no work/replacement they charge me $100
04:33:13fatherforkthat sucks
04:33:30Mikachuheh, you could buy a new player for that
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04:34:36fatherforkHey shadow, I was hopin I'd catch you one sometime... have you seen my new WPS?
04:34:46ShadowdogMUNope, linkage?
04:35:32sharpeoh god! two times!
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04:35:37fatherforkyeah my bad
04:35:38sharpehow dare thou!
04:36:11fatherforkI sent the url, THEN the "um..."
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04:36:20fatherforkreally big delay
04:36:27Paul_The_NerdIsn't the apple logo trademarked?
04:36:35Paul_The_NerdNot to mention the iTunes name...
04:36:37ShadowdogMUfatherfork, looks really good, my only complaint... the font
04:36:39Mikachuas long as it isn't copyrighted
04:36:56ShadowdogMUthe font is too big, and ugly, and not AAed
04:36:56fatherforkShadowdog, which would you suggest?
04:37:20Paul_The_NerdShadowdogMU: Because of course Rockbox supports that.
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04:37:20fatherforkare there any that are?
04:37:35fatherforkyeah, that's what I thought about the anti-alias
04:37:39Mikachuthere is no AA in rockbox, because it is almost impossible
04:37:53ShadowdogMUWell why can't it be built into the font file?
04:38:19ShadowdogMUWell I dunno, at least make it smaller
04:38:20fatherforkbecause that would require some sort of trasparency
04:38:41MikachuAA means you blend parts of the edge with the background
04:38:43Mikachuyou can't do that in advance
04:38:54Mikachuin apple os, they only ever have a white background so it's not too hard
04:39:09BloodySorcerermmh, antialiasing....
04:39:35sharpeI do like the idea of the blue apple logo on disk access though... :)
04:40:03fatherforkI tried not to have anything on there that did nothing
04:41:16fatherforkShadow, I like the bigger font because it's easier to see in any situation
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04:43:24ShadowdogMUmeh, ok just saying I won't download because of that
04:43:38fatherforkah well, to eash his own
04:44:31CmptrGkthis has nothing to do with rockbox, but i must say this. my cat just ate my radio's antenna. i am speechless.
04:44:45ShadowdogMUdoes the radio still work?
04:44:50fatherforkvote for the most random statement
04:45:05CmptrGki havent tried it yet
04:45:07Paul_The_NerdShadowdogMU: You are familiar with the ability to choose a different font, right?
04:45:12BloodySorcererhow do you eat an antenna?
04:45:20BloodySorcererthat sounds like it'd be quite difficult.
04:45:21ShadowdogMUYou could do what I did in the pre-cd, pre-ipod days, shove tin foil to make an antenna
04:45:22sharpeCmptrGk: like. is it still attached to the radio?
04:45:23Mikachui guess the same way you eat any electronical appliance
04:45:30CmptrGkpart of it
04:45:41CmptrGkits a copper wire antenna
04:45:43ShadowdogMUMikachu, I have no experience eating electronical appliances
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04:46:03fatherforktoo bad the formatting would be wrong if he changed the font
04:46:09BloodySorcereri've got tons... microwaves, toasters, refrigerators, calculators, radios, mp3 players, you name it.
04:46:21ShadowdogMUCRT monitors?
04:46:29CmptrGkseems to still work, little static
04:46:38ShadowdogMUtin foil it!
04:46:45sharpethe old 5mb drum hard drives used many, many years ago?
04:46:50BloodySorcererCRT monitors are yummy
04:46:53Paul_The_Nerdfatherfork: But other fonts of the same height will work, at the very least.
04:46:55BloodySorcerermmh, HDDs
04:47:04BloodySorcererShadowdogMU, tin foil is usually a bad idea.
04:47:15BloodySorcerer9 times out of 10 you'll just wind up insulating the antenna with no real gain to be had
04:47:35ShadowdogMUworked for me in my childhood, I liked to make a satellite shape at the top
04:47:41fatherforkPaul_The_Nerd: true, but are there any smaller fonts with the same vertical line spacing?
04:47:53Paul_The_NerdNot really, but he could make one. ;)
04:47:54BloodySorcereri'm hungry.
04:48:09fatherforkha, yeah I'll leave that up to him
04:48:09ShadowdogMUWell still:
04:48:16*ShadowdogMU is a fan of small fonts and big images
04:48:35sharpei remember i made paper cameras out of index cards as a kid. four for the box, one to cover a side, and one to roll up to act as the lens...
04:48:43fatherforkand if he wanted to make a font specifically for Applebox, he could try to add some sort of AA support
04:49:18ShadowdogMUsharpe, that's nice... did you make film?
04:49:23ShadowdogMUand batteries?
04:49:33sharpeno... but i did tape them up around the house.
04:50:02ShadowdogMUhaha, wait like security cameras or film cameras?
04:50:13*ShadowdogMU is Rockboxless and songless on his iPod
04:50:48sharpealthough they only had one direction to look at, they were spiffy.
04:51:02Mikachufatherfork: the fonts in rockbox are 1bit
04:51:16fatherforkthat's unfortunate
04:51:26safetydanOne day someone will change that.
04:51:28safetydanOne day.
04:51:35Mikachuand 8x the mem requirements
04:51:37ShadowdogMUThis isn't good... my iPod is working now,
04:51:38safetydanAnd add multiple font support at the same time probably
04:51:45ShadowdogMUafter I sent in a request to get it repairs
04:51:49Mikachuwell, maybe 4 alpha levels are enough
04:52:04fatherforkJulius is working on a patch for different colors at the same time, I think
04:52:30sharpeMikachu: why not go for 256 alpha levels, so then we can boast 24-bit color?
04:52:34CmptrGkShadowdogMU: isnt that what usually happens with techsupport
04:52:53Mikachusharpe: i was mainly concerned about memory, but you're right, boasting is more important
04:53:07sharpeyes. who cares about memory, as long as we say we can do it.
04:53:15Mikachulike how compiling with -g or running in gdb always fixes bugs
04:53:18fatherforkyes you all have your egos to look after
04:55:02ShadowdogMUShould I send my iPod in anyway?
04:55:22sharpeShadowdogMU: without rockbox on it, sure!
04:55:22fatherforkShadowdogMU, I have an idea: you could make a bmp image of every artist, album, and track name in your library. That would give you Anti-Alias support right away.
04:55:41ShadowdogMUtoo much work fatherfork
04:55:46fatherforkbut boy would that be a long wps file
04:55:58ShadowdogMUsharpe, already removed it, but now it;s working and according to my email they sent:
04:56:07fatherforkyeah, I was mostly joking
04:56:20ShadowdogMUof no more than one hundred ($100) dollars US, plus applicable tax, if Apple inspects your product and determines based on the inspection that the product does not require service.
04:57:18Mikachuif it's broken you should be able to demand repair no matter what they say
04:57:35fatherforkShadow, what's wrong with it?
04:58:29ShadowdogMUWell, now it seems fine, but I charged it, said it was fully charge, and five minutes later it would die
04:58:31ShadowdogMUit wouldn;t turn off
04:58:37ShadowdogMUand it came shipped with a scratch
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04:58:46fatherforkthat was nice of them
04:58:53sharpethey love you.
04:58:57ShadowdogMUoh, and when I ejected from iTunes, but left it plugged in, it would turn on, not charge
04:59:06Mikachuno anthrax in the package too?
04:59:54ShadowdogMUno a complimentary bottle of cynanide labeled "champagne for celebration of your new iPod purchase"
05:00:36sharpei believe that's not inconspicuous enough.
05:01:02fatherforkyeah you probably don't even know what they've done to you yet
05:01:58BHSPitMonkeyShadowdogMU, can I send my friend's ipod in, in yours' stead?
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05:02:44BHSPitMonkeycause it actually needs a fixin'
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05:03:48ShadowdogMUJust request a service repair on it?
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05:06:24BHSPitMonkeyhe's already sent it to them
05:06:28BHSPitMonkeythey said no
05:06:33BHSPitMonkeyeven though it hasn't been a year
05:06:37BHSPitMonkeyhe needs to fight it
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05:11:10ShadowdogMUwho has an iPod jere?
05:11:41ShadowdogMUOk, do you ever get the giant battery charging symbol?
05:12:35*sharpe has an ipod. not jere, but here.
05:12:59fatherforkwhen the iPod is off but charging, and not connected to the computer
05:13:17ShadowdogMUOk, so like it's connected but you hit eject from iTunes?
05:13:21Mikachuyou also get it after doing "safe removal" in windows or eject in linux
05:13:25fatherforkor is off and charging after ejaction from the computer
05:13:47ShadowdogMUSee, mine goes frmo Do not Disconnect, then I hit eject, and it turns on...
05:13:54ShadowdogMUnever the giant battery symbol thing
05:14:06fatherforkeven after leaving it for a while?
05:14:08sharpewell. your ipod is 'special.'
05:14:20fatherforkwhat do you have auto-off set to?
05:14:23ShadowdogMUVery, the battery seems to be holding a c harge now... but I don't get that
05:14:42ShadowdogMUlet me check
05:14:59fatherforkI think mine turns on after I eject it, but then auto-off after a minute
05:15:00Mikachuif you soft sleep it, it should show the big battery
05:15:06ShadowdogMUsoft sleep?
05:15:07Mikachuif you hold play or select Sleep in the menu
05:15:12fatherforkhold play
05:15:18ShadowdogMUlet me try
05:15:37ShadowdogMUand where is auto off, I only see backlight
05:15:50fatherforknot sure, lemme boot it
05:16:06ShadowdogMUI got the big battery!
05:16:17Mikachuteh win
05:16:25Mikachuwhat are you going to do with it?
05:17:03fatherforkoh, right, the iPod only has a one minute auto off setting
05:17:07fatherforkyou can't change it
05:17:24ShadowdogMUI am going to call support again tomorow and be like "I reset the thing literally 10 times last night, and it seems to hold a charge. I read in the email if I send it in, and nothing gets fixed you can charge me, I still want to send it in, what if it does this again on day one of my out of warranty?"
05:17:43ShadowdogMUBesides it DID ship with a scratch in the screen
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05:18:06sharpebe sure to take a threatening tone with them. that will totally help.
05:18:26fatherfork"you sent me a scratch iPod you bastards"
05:18:33fatherforksay that
05:18:40Mikachuattach a picture of a dead hamster
05:18:46fatherforkoo good one
05:18:50Mikachubut make no reference to it
05:18:55sharpeyep, and always talk like it's the tech support's fault.
05:19:06ShadowdogMUhaha, I will so go off on t hem
05:19:21fatherforkwrite in all caps
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05:19:31ShadowdogMUNo, call only fatherfork
05:19:35sharpebecause, we all know tech support handles and oversees shipments.
05:19:40fatherforkright, got that now
05:19:46sharpetalk in all caps then.
05:19:55ShadowdogMUare you being sarcastic sharpe, about the shipments
05:20:09sharpeAnd if i wasn't?
05:20:22fatherforkhaha, we could send them "nice" things
05:20:42fatherforklike the hamster in the picture
05:20:44ShadowdogMUI dunno, do they really oversee shipments?
05:21:03sharpesarcastic :)
05:21:37sharpeYou can threaten them with Rockbox. "Look. I know a way to get in touch with these Rockbox folks..."
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05:22:22CmptrGkhow does one exit the dice plugin?
05:22:40Mikachudepends on what player you have i think
05:22:49CmptrGkipod 4g
05:22:49ShadowdogMUhold select OR hold select menu, but not long enough to reset (iPod)
05:23:05Mikachupressing should be enough in plugins
05:23:31Mikachuand it's usually menu or select menu, not just select
05:23:48ShadowdogMUWell select works in Jewels
05:24:31ShadowdogMUI should call support now, but my parents might think I am crazy
05:25:05sharpeHaha. Just call and breathe into the phone heavily.
05:25:05CtcpVersion from Mikachu!
05:25:42ShadowdogMUIf you ever called them, they first ask for your serial
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05:26:00ShadowdogMUso when they asked I was going to ask to speak to Peter, the guy I talked to today
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05:26:09sharpeOr after they tell you their name talk casually to them... "How are the kids?" "How've you been?"
05:26:15ShadowdogMU"Thank you for calling Apple, can I have your iPod's serial please"
05:26:22ShadowdogMU"Can I speak with Peter please?"
05:26:30CmptrGkif or when the ipod's second processor is enabled, would it suck the battery life down more?
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05:26:46ShadowdogMU"Peter! No way, how's the house coming, move in yet?"
05:26:55sharpeCmptrGk: it's not a second processor, but another core... there's a difference :)
05:27:00ShadowdogMU"How's Marla doing?"
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05:27:23sharpeThe freaky thing would be getting all the guessing of his life right.
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05:28:20sharpeAnd as far as i know, it would not really have a great impact on the battery life... I don't think so anyway...
05:29:09CmptrGkok, i saw the 8-1 enable second core , but does nothing patch and i was wondering about it
05:31:05CmptrGki am having an issue with battery life with my 4g ipod. it says ~4h 20min but dies after about an hour. is that normal?
05:31:31sharpethe battery life estimation isn't really... suitable for the ipods.
05:32:03CmptrGkok, due to which factors?
05:32:11ShadowdogMUmines tells me it has 8 hours... my iPod wouldn't do 10 minutes
05:32:22CmptrGkthe hd spinup? or something else
05:32:24sharpeShadowdogMU: yeah, but that's your ipod's fault. :)
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05:32:40ShadowdogMUI know :P
05:33:16sharpeCmptrGk: no, not really...
05:34:30ShadowdogMUWhat time is it in Rockbox time?
05:34:53sharpeMore or less, nobody has bothered to get around to the battery life estimation for the iPods. (Don't quote me on that.)
05:35:18*ShadowdogMU saves to quote you on that sometime
05:35:35sharpeThe logs are at anyway.
05:36:01CmptrGkin the irc section
05:36:08ShadowdogMUNO WAI!
05:36:34sharpeYA WAI!
05:36:36CmptrGk right in the middle of the page
05:36:43sharpeI had to.
05:44:14sharpeWell. It has certainly been an interesting day.
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07:35:30JdGordon<safetydan> JdGordon, have you tried your settings UI patch on iPod? Is scrolly through big lists (like the volume settings) slow? <- no i havnt, but it uses he callback to get the item names, so it shuold be fine?
07:36:15JdGordonwell that was stupid of me.. he isnt here :p
07:39:54Bg3rmorning :)
07:40:03JdGordonmorning Bg3r
07:40:52Bg3rJdGordon: FS # ? :)
07:40:58Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I think he just means that "Scrolling through lists is slower on iPods than just changing the shown entry, is this also true with your patch?"
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07:41:24JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: oh, ok, i dont know. i dont have an ipod
07:43:25JdGordon[12:24] <Paul_The_Nerd> If you blow your ears, you were listening too loud when you turned it off :-P <- moving from 0dB when connected to the car/stereo to headfones...
07:44:45amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Why should scrolling through lists be slower than scrolling through values with the current settings system?
07:44:46JdGordonBg3r: FS # for which?
07:45:23Bg3rhaha, u have many patches
07:45:31JdGordonamiconn: because currently only 1 value is shown on the screen at a time.. the patch they are refering to shows as many as will fit on the screen
07:45:32Bg3rthe one u wanted non-lcd remote
07:45:38JdGordonBg3r: 14 at last count
07:45:41amiconnYes I know
07:45:44JdGordonah.. 1 sec
07:45:48Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Scrolling through a list generally redraws more?
07:46:14Mikachui only have 4 in the tracker iirc
07:46:23JdGordonBg3r: 5223
07:46:51JdGordondidnt someone put a patch on the ml to optimize the list drawiung code?
07:47:11Paul_The_NerdIt improves things
07:47:20Paul_The_NerdBut only while scrolling within a list shorter than the screen.
07:47:35MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: or when using paged scrolling
07:47:40JdGordonoh ok
07:48:48amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: I'm referring to the "...on iPods..." part in your statement. Why should it be slower on all ipods, but not on other targets?
07:49:01amiconnOn my ipod lists aren't slow at all :-P
07:49:49amiconn..but to the contrary, lists are slow on X5 when the remote is plugged. The remote lcd driver needs optimisation
07:50:32Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Scrolling through a list longer than the screen is much slower on my iPod Nano than on my H100. And I hear it's downright painful on the 5Gs. I don't know wholly why it is, though most reasons I get are the slow(er) redraw of the entire screen, and the nature of the scrollwheel.
07:51:46amiconnThe scroll wheel has nothing to do with it, it's mainly the data transfer framebuffer->lcd
07:51:55Paul_The_NerdFair enough
07:52:13amiconnAnd that hurts targets which have slow transfer and/or need to transfer large amounts of data
07:53:21amiconnGreyscale ipods don't suffer from it in lists (although the transfer is _relaitevely_ slow)
07:54:37JdGordon..because they dont have background images?
07:54:58amiconnBecause greyscale means transferring much less data
07:56:01*JdGordon back in 20
07:56:14amiconnJdGordon: I have 2 questions regarding the settings patch (sorry, didn't check it out myself yet): (1) What's the impact on code size (I'm mainly interested in archos figures)
07:57:16Rudy4PezHey what was the tracker number of that volume patch we were talking about earlier?
07:57:40amiconn(2) Did you add the (switchable) list headline? I'd think a settings list w/o a headline will be confusing (more or less depending on the target)
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07:58:57safetydanamiconn, the list's do have a headline in JdGordon's patch
07:59:06safetydanit's centere on the screen below the status bar
07:59:17Paul_The_NerdCentered except on Charcell, right?
07:59:27safetydanTBH didn't try on charcell sim
07:59:40safetydanthere should be an I somewhere in that sentence
08:00:14amiconnI think the headline should be centered unless it doesn't fit the line and needs to scroll
08:00:49amiconn..and maybe never centered on the player
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08:03:01amiconnsafetydan: Do all lists have a headline then?
08:03:08safetydanThe patch should have a positive effect on code size (i.e makes it smaller) as there appears to be a lot less code in the settings UI.
08:03:22safetydanamiconn, no, only the settings lists
08:04:55safetydanMy biggest objection to the patch at the moment is that Left on the iRiver joystick no longer exits a setting screen.
08:05:09amiconnI think on that on the larger LCDs a headline might be desirable in other lists as well (e.g. the filebrowser showing the current path)
08:05:36safetydanthat would be useful
08:05:47Paul_The_NerdI would love to see a headline on basically all lists on my H100
08:05:58Paul_The_NerdIt would just be convenient for my lazy.
08:06:33amiconnsafetydan: Why is that? Lists can be left with 'Left' now...
08:08:42safetydanamiconn, I'm not sure. I haven't had a chance to look at why it doesn't work yet.
08:11:34amiconnOne thing I would not like is having the pure numeric settings in a list. Having a list of potentially hundreds of values is rather odd...
08:12:00amiconnthinking about e.g. the Balance setting: 201 values
08:13:14JdGordonamiconn: i havnt done a comparisson, but the code size should drop because it removes 2 fairly decent sized functions.. and on the char cell targets there shuold be no difference, on the others the headline is cenetered for all settings..
08:13:26safetydanIt is a little odd. But it means the settings have unified look and only one code path.
08:13:39safetydanYou get used to it.
08:14:02JdGordonsafetydan: as for the buttons, i was lazy and dint do them properly because te actions code will replace the buttons soonish (hopefully)
08:14:05Paul_The_NerdY'know what'd be neat?
08:14:13Paul_The_NerdIf there were several layers of the lists...
08:14:15Paul_The_NerdFor the long ones.
08:14:22Paul_The_NerdLike, by 20s, by 10s, and by 1s
08:14:27Paul_The_NerdFor the one that's 201 long
08:14:39Paul_The_NerdYou keep going right, and the grain gets finer.
08:14:57Paul_The_NerdIt's be useful for say, the battery mAH as well.
08:15:12JdGordonhaving the ints in lists works fine... but yes, the really long ones are a bit annoying
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08:15:27JdGordon... but its easier to jump ahead now than before
08:15:35JdGordonif the target supports pgup/down in lists
08:15:50*safetydan imagines paging up through the volume settings
08:16:14safetydan14 dB at a time
08:16:34Bg3rJdGordon: i really prefer int settings to be as they used to be
08:16:36JdGordon... minor down-side of this tho is that the settings dont get applied as the selected value changes... only once you accept the setting
08:16:59*amiconn just checked his mobile phone settings
08:17:18Bg3ramiconn: and ?
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08:18:19amiconnIt also uses lists for booleans and multi options, and a special method for numeric settings
08:18:48Bg3ryes, this seems to be some kind of standard
08:19:04Paul_The_NerdA numeric input could work, if there were display of the valid range and default or something
08:19:48JdGordonbut that means having a seperate code path for these settings, which increases size... but a very nice gui could be done easily for them
08:20:01JdGordonmix of the numeric value and the slider
08:20:13amiconnJdGordon: No live-changing values? That's a major downside imho
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08:20:35JdGordonok, well it can be added really easily
08:21:07amiconnWith the old system, live-changing values is optional, as some settings must not use it
08:21:27JdGordonwith this its all or none...
08:21:46amiconnBut changing volume, treble, bass etc. should really change live
08:22:08Bg3ramiconn: also brightness, contrast ... well as LCD contrast, brightnes... i.e. most should
08:22:27Bg3respecially EQ
08:23:30amiconnI tried to use the EQ once... then switched it off, probably permanent
08:23:38JdGordonok, changed so it is "live"
08:23:53amiconnJdGordon: It has to be optional...
08:24:09amiconnSome values _must_ not be live
08:24:19JdGordonis that what the function parameter to set_* is for?
08:24:38Paul_The_NerdWhat values mustn't be live?
08:24:52amiconnE.g. Display flip
08:26:32amiconnAnd some things having no immediate effect in the menu _should_ not be live, as live-change may cause repeated (unnecessary) inits
08:27:06amiconn...e.g. File browser sorting, filter etc
08:27:42Bg3rdircache ...
08:29:47JdGordonok, it now copies exactly how it worked before.... compile and test time :p
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08:33:26JdGordonok its wierd... does the line selector setting take effect imedialty atm?
08:38:34JdGordonanyone still there?? can someone check the line selector setting please?
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08:42:49Bg3rJdGordon: how to check it?
08:42:54Bg3rthe backlight thing looks good
08:43:06Bg3r(source-wise) :P
08:43:28JdGordonmenu > general > lcd > line selector ... does it change if u change the setting there before you leave the screen?
08:43:45amiconnJdGordon: You can't test whether the line selector is live with the current system.
08:44:11amiconnThe current system doesn't show the selector on the settings screen
08:44:12JdGordonamiconn: you mean it doesnt apear to change it "live
08:44:19JdGordonah true
08:44:24JdGordonok ive fixed that
08:45:01JdGordonthanx Bg3r
08:46:07amiconnHmm, does the list widget icon drawing also use a callback?
08:47:16amiconnWe could use the icon to indicate the current setting (for non-live settings)
08:47:54*Bg3r emerges ccache ...
08:47:57JdGordonthats just adding "fluff" to it.. but yes.. and a "checkmark" icon for the bool values
08:48:02amiconnThat's for later though
08:48:17JdGordonafter a make veryclean...
08:48:19JdGordonIn file included from bookmark.c:38:
08:48:19JdGordonrecorder/icons.h:28:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory
08:48:26JdGordon? :'(
08:48:41JdGordoni even removed the entire working directoy and reconfigured it and still no good?
08:48:57amiconnrockboxlogo.h should be generated
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08:49:07JdGordonye, thats why its so strane
08:49:13JdGordonmorning LinusN
08:49:17amiconnSomething's wrong with the dependencies least for you
08:49:54JdGordonthis isnt the first time its happeneed to me :'(
08:51:22LinusNJdGordon: moo
08:51:25JdGordonwell anyway, with the patch ajbrec.ajz is 151826bytes.. it wont let me compile it without the patch, but that will give u some idea hopefully
08:54:56amiconnJdGordon: The size of rockbox.bin / rombox.ucl is what counts
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08:55:26JdGordon:'( didnt you say the a.jz file was important a while ago... all too confusing for me :p
08:56:14amiconnThere are various different limits
08:56:42amiconnWe are working around one of them by compressing the .ajz when it would be too large if uncompressed
08:57:08amiconnThat's why the size of the recorder v1 .ajz doesn't tell much about the actual code size - it's compressed
08:57:29LinusNJdGordon: there are two limits that we are fighting:
08:57:47LinusN1) the size of the flash (for flashed fw and rombox)
08:57:51JdGordonhmm.. yuk.. rockbox.bin increases by 96bytes
08:58:14LinusN2) the size of the .ajz file, since the archos bootloader refuses to load firmware files larger than a specific size
08:58:24JdGordonokey dokey
08:59:15LinusNand of course the overall footprint, since the ram is only 2mbytes
09:00:54*JdGordon goes hunting for those 96 bytes :p
09:01:24ravonSo, when will we see a Nintendo DS port?
09:01:31Bg3rwith nonlcd remote there is no way to go up in the menu/filetree
09:01:46daurn|laptopJdGordon: just delete all 0s out of the file
09:01:54daurn|laptopthey ARE worth nothing
09:01:57JdGordonravon: 30min....
09:01:58daurn|laptopjust keep the 1s
09:02:03ravonJdGordon :D
09:02:10amiconnCode size and overall footprint is not only important for archos. The iFP has only 1MB RAM - and that must be sufficient not only for the core, but also for the codecs
09:02:34amiconnIriver iFP7xx
09:02:34JdGordonirivers flash player
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09:07:01Bg3rJdGordon: commited
09:08:12Bg3rnow only 13 ? :D
09:08:22peturnice FS closing comment ;)
09:08:26JdGordonno, i tihnk i misscounted.. still 14ish :p
09:09:04Bg3rnow someone should update the manual :D
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09:11:24Bg3rLinusN: any plans[time] for looking at/commiting the action stuff soon ?
09:11:45LinusNyes, i want to commit it asap
09:11:57Bg3rtoday ? :-[
09:12:12LinusNhave you tried the patch?
09:12:19Bg3ri haven't
09:12:25Bg3rbut i will
09:12:40Bg3rJdGordon: the latest version is on the wiki, yep ?
09:16:16JdGordoncan someone commit the startup voluem patch?
09:17:31Bg3rgrrr, red
09:18:07*JdGordon knows what is i without even checking
09:18:16JdGordonits the lack of remote_type in the sim...
09:18:26Bagderit should be added to the sim
09:18:50Bg3rsuggested place ?
09:19:37JdGordonlcd-remote.c or whatever it is in firmware/
09:20:03JdGordonor if the plan is for acitons to go in today dont worry about it coz its in that patch
09:20:08Bagderbut the sim version should be in uisimulator/
09:20:28JdGordonwhy? its just a #define to always return REMOTE_NONE
09:21:01Bagderwhy not make it possible to simulate different remotes?
09:21:14JdGordonalthout that should be changed.. because the ui stuff shouldnt actually write to the lcd remote if its not there, but it is always there in the sim
09:21:59Bagderimho, as far as possible all functions should be provided for the sim as similar as possible as in the real thing
09:23:21Bg3rso ?
09:24:08JdGordonwhich means we should be able to "change" remote type in the sim.. but the only thing that would happen is the button mappings (which are not available int he sim anyway) get changed
09:24:28Bg3ri don't see the reason ...
09:24:33BagderI do
09:24:50Bagderby always returning no remote in the sim, poeple running the sim won't test the same thing
09:24:58JdGordonpossibly to future proof it for when/if we get targets with completly different typs fo remotes
09:24:58Bg3rno no
09:25:13Bg3rwhy return no remote ?
09:25:20Bagder<JdGordon> why? its just a #define to always return REMOTE_NONE
09:25:24Bg3rlet's just return h100 for the moment
09:25:28linuxstbJdGordon: I've just tried your settings patch on my ipod. The integer settings are not as bad as I thought they would be, but they still look odd... However, it's nice to see the whole range of values.
09:25:29Bg3rh100 remote
09:25:39JdGordonlinuxstb: :)
09:26:00Bg3rheh, i still prefer ints to be the old/current way
09:26:19JdGordonlinuxstb: the ipod doesnt have pgup/dpwn in the list does it? because that makes it much nicer still
09:26:56BagderBg3r: I agree it can return h100-remote but I'd still rather see the function implemented as a function in uisimulator/ as then you won't need any #ifdef for that
09:27:11linuxstbNo, but it should have better acceleration with the wheel at some point - meaning page-up/page-down isn't needed.
09:28:34linuxstbBg3r: Maybe I'm getting a twisted view of the integer settings - I'm testing on a 5g with the default font, so am getting 28 numbers displayed on the screen.
09:28:39Bg3rLinusN: or runtime change
09:28:46Bg3rwith a key
09:29:02LinusNeven better
09:29:20linuxstbBg3r: But I think my preference would still be a slider, with the min and max values as labels, so you can see the range.
09:29:48Bg3rlinuxstb: yeah, maybe this will be the best choice
09:30:01LinusNi second that
09:30:31*JdGordon disagrees.. because its just adding more "fluff" and not really neeeded code..
09:30:44JdGordonbut ill still happily do it if thatst whats wanted
09:31:41LinusNone problem with a slider would be button inconsistency
09:31:46linuxstbDon't we already have a slider widget?
09:31:47JdGordonboth would need need to be coded, because char cell couldnt use the slider anyway.. screen isnt big enough
09:32:17linuxstbLinusN: Not on the ipods - the wheel would still be used to move the slider.. But yes, it's a valid point on the other targets.
09:32:28LinusNint settings would use left/right to change when other settings up/down (except for the ipod)
09:32:40linuxstbWhich would be a pain for blind users...
09:32:43Bg3rLinusN: why ?
09:32:52LinusNthat is a sure way to drive the blind crew nuts :-)
09:32:55Bg3rwe still can use "up" for going up
09:33:01Bg3rand "down" for going down
09:33:17LinusNBg3r: wouldn't that feel awkward for sighted users?
09:33:23JdGordonlinuxstb: but you have a visual representation in the list anyway.. the scrollbar is there
09:33:38Bg3rLinusN: depends ..
09:33:46LinusNJdGordon: ...if you have that option enabled
09:33:47Bg3ru press up and the value rises ...
09:34:17JdGordonLinusN: oh, you can turn it off? well if it is turned off its your own fault then :D
09:34:20LinusNBg3r: that would be even more confusing
09:34:24LinusNwouldn't it?
09:34:28linuxstbJdGordon: You still can't see the min/max range for most integer settings though. And it's just not visually pleasing to see all the numbers...
09:34:41linuxstbVertical slider?
09:35:29Bg3rLinusN: a matter of habbit :)
09:35:40JdGordonusing the list for the ints is needed for the char cell anyway because only 2 rows isnt enough for the title value and slider.. so we can please everyone and make it selectable which window to use
09:36:05linuxstbNo, I wouldn't want an option for the options...
09:36:16LinusNi still think it's better with a list than it is today
09:36:41JdGordonlinuxstb: what if its a hidden option? i.e only settable in the cfg file?
09:37:00*LinusN mumbles...optionitis...
09:37:20linuxstbYes, so do I. I was surprised that scrolling speed doesn't seem to be much (if any) slower on my 5g with a full screen of numbers. But I guess that's because there is still relatively little text to draw (28 numbers with the default font)
09:38:02LinusNhow optimized is the 5g lcd driver?
09:38:25LinusNand what happened to that guilist optimization patch?
09:38:56Bg3rany objections against putting the uisim's remote_type() in its button.c ?
09:39:39linuxstbLinusN: The lcd_update_rect() isn't the fastest in the world (I think test_fps gives about 38fps for a full-screen update), but I don't think we can increase the speed any more without finding a better way to write to the LCD.
09:40:06linuxstbAnd yes, the guilist patch should probably be committed.
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09:41:01LinusNmaybe i should fire up idapro for real
09:42:02linuxstbSchematics of a 5g would also be useful.... But you probably don't want to sacrifice your player yet :)
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09:46:02JdGordonLinusN: so you said you want to commit actions asap.. whats stopping you? iv got nothing to do now untill dinner...
09:46:48LinusNmy concern is that it breaks so many targets at once :-)
09:46:55linuxstbJdGordon: Is your settings patch on the patch tracker the latest version? (dated 13 August)
09:47:07JdGordonno, ive done minor adjustemnts
09:47:14JdGordoni can upload the latest now tho
09:47:33LinusNwell, it doesn't break the builds, but it breaks the button mappings
09:47:51linuxstbWould anyone object to JdGordon's settings patch being committed?
09:47:53LinusNfor example, the x5 resume starts in a paused state
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09:48:09LinusNlinuxstb: i wouldn't
09:48:53Rudy4PezWhat's the #?
09:49:40JdGordonlinuxstb: latest is up
09:50:46Bg3rit seems that today is JdGordon's day :D
09:51:05Rudy4PezWhat exactly does the "list widget" do?
09:51:16JdGordonsome int settings are using the wrong function so if the int settings do get changed to a slider they should be changed (the ones that have english as some of the values should use the formatter function to set the name, not the harcoded strings)
09:51:26JdGordonBg3r: now 13 more :p
09:51:47*linuxstb wonders who has the most uncommitted patches on the tracker...
09:52:08LinusNthe most disliked developer award :-)
09:52:21*Bagder nominates JdGordon ;-P
09:52:22JdGordonits me isnt it :'( *runs off to cry*
09:54:17*BHSPitMonkey consoles JdGordon
09:54:32BHSPitMonkeyouch, Bagder was even saying it
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09:55:08JdGordonthanks BHSPitMonkey, but they'll have to do more than just ignore my patches for me to stop annoying them :D
09:56:12LinusNyes, so now we have started insulting you
09:56:23LinusNlet's see if that helps
09:56:26JdGordonoh :'(
09:56:51*JdGordon turns into a 13yrold script kiddy and starts trying to bring down the rockbox wiki again
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09:57:21JdGordonagain as in them going down againa... not as in i brought it down last time...
09:57:27anrdewmelHey all
09:58:03anrdewmelI have been reading the manual for the 5G and wanted to edit it a little. I have been reading the pdf version, and cannot find where to edit it.
09:58:07LinusNhey anrdew
09:58:16anrdewmelcan anybody supply me with a link?
09:58:27anrdewmelHey LinusN.
09:58:29LinusNit't in cvs
09:58:58anrdewmelMostly what I have found is typos, and a couple of clumsy sentences. mostly it is of a very high standard.
09:59:43anrdewmelcheers LinusN :)
10:00:42LinusNif you find it hard to work it out, just file a bug report with your suggested changes
10:01:30Bagderthe manual team is usually very quick on adapting and replying to such
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10:03:21anrdewmelThanks guys. While my writing style could use some work, I have done a fair bit of editing am good at finding bugs :)
10:03:55anrdewmelI think I will go for the bug report, especially as I can do multiple typos in one report
10:04:56Bg3rdoes anyone knows what causes this warning in the uisim build
10:05:00Bg3rld: warning: creating a DT_TEXTREL in object.
10:06:36LinusNi have no idea
10:07:06*LinusN is watching elephant's dream on his x5
10:07:33LinusNlooks really nice
10:07:54JdGordonwhy isnt that comp told to stop building the sim then? so we can go back to green tables (even if they do look boring?)
10:07:54LinusNi'm bad at reading lips though, so audio would be nice ;-)
10:08:01*safetydan throws in a vote for the settings patch from JdGordon
10:08:10safetydanThough I'm a bit late
10:08:12BagderLinusN: but elephants' lips are really big!
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10:08:54pondlifeHmm, looks like one of my patches killed all non-mp3 playback if voice is enabled.
10:09:10LinusNyes, i wonder how and why
10:09:16pondlifeI think I know
10:09:49pondlifeTo allow thumbnails to be heard during playback, I removed some tests in tree.c.
10:10:21pondlifeReasonable in itself, , but it seems to have revealed an assumption elsewhere - that the MP3 codec is in use, perhaps?
10:10:57LinusNbut none of the reporters have mentioned anything about .talk clips
10:11:24pondlifeNo, but they all use voice, and there aren't really any other multi-platform mods in that area on the 1st August
10:11:38pondlifeThis is all based on gut feeling, not investigation, I should add!
10:11:42pondlifeSo far at least
10:11:52LinusNi'm slightly annoyed that we get so many bug reports where the reporter doesn't say anything about using the voice
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10:12:11LinusNpondlife: i have to admit that i suspected the same thing myself
10:12:17pondlifeI wonder if we could just revert -
10:12:24LinusNpondlife: try it
10:12:31pondlifeDownside is we lose thumbnails during playback
10:12:38pondlifeI can't repro the crash here at all.
10:12:45pondlifeHave tried with an ogg or 2.
10:12:47LinusNor we find the reason that it hangs and fix it
10:13:18pondlifeYes, that would be better. But it would be nice to see if this is the cause before large-scale work
10:13:27pondlifeCan you make it hang?
10:13:32LinusNhaven't tried
10:13:41pondlifeRecipes indicate just playing an ogg from the browser should do it.
10:14:00pondlifeI will ask for a config file from someone affected.
10:14:04LinusNyes, and no mention of using the voice functionality...grrr...
10:14:50linuxstbJdGordon: Patch #5795 committed...
10:15:05peturmaybe we could ask/require that bugreports include a config file?
10:15:18LinusNJdGordon: so now you have to update the action patch :-)
10:15:30LinusNpetur: a good idea
10:15:31JdGordonoh damn :'(
10:15:44linuxstbJdGordon: I would quite like to see how things like the directory browser and menu look with a title....
10:15:49JdGordonwhat about 5338? and 5623?
10:15:57*linuxstb needs to go to work now.
10:15:57LinusNnag nag
10:16:08*petur has a day off
10:16:20JdGordonlinuxstb: really? i would have thought everyone would be against it, but thats coming in a patch soonish :D
10:16:41*petur wonders why free time gets taken away by real life immediatly :/
10:16:46LinusNi want titles everywhere
10:16:47linuxstbJdGordon: I'm not saying I'm for it, just interested to see how it looks in practice. I would want it to be an option though.
10:17:02LinusNfor example, the current dir in the browser
10:17:16LinusNand menu titles
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10:17:41LinusNlet the archor binary size EXPLODE! :-)
10:18:09JdGordonjust dont let amiconn hear you :D
10:18:20linuxstbNow you've triggered him....
10:18:25*petur discovers why the pcf driver vomits after using the eeprom driver
10:18:37JdGordoncoz its elurgic to it...
10:18:49LinusNnow that's creative spelling
10:19:38daurn|laptop!google elurgic
10:19:59daurn|laptop51 other people have made that speeeeeling mistake
10:20:10JdGordonhow do u spell it?
10:20:23daurn|laptoplol: 'Im elurgic to onions . . . I like pie and grapes . My motto it " cross my heart and hope for pie ! ! ! "'
10:20:33LinusN"allergic" i guess
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10:20:56keiljhello all
10:21:00pondlifeI'm assuming that is another case of the same crash - sounds likely....
10:21:21tucozCould someone see if I got the mix-mode right. I think this is what Slasheri said yesterday.
10:23:13tucozBut, if that is correct, does this mean that you have to set fade-out duration to something >0 in mix mode? (as the fade out duration is used to set the buffer size).
10:23:52LinusNmight be...
10:23:53safetydananyone working on fixing the sim?
10:23:58keiljpreglow: im able to borrow my schools SPL meter to calibrate a player fo the plugin we talked about previously but as i said im not good on code and it will take a while to learn, any ideas on where to start
10:24:14pondlifesafetydan: What's wrong with the sim?
10:24:18Bg3rsafetydan: i am
10:24:27safetydanpondlife, not compiling
10:24:28Bg3rfscking pastebin
10:24:36peturit looks like inbetween two of my eeprom _read_ tests 2 bytes in it got modified
10:24:57Bg3r <= anyone opening this ?
10:25:00*petur spells 'read' to the driver
10:25:14LinusNpetur: have you protected your i2c accesses by disabling the interrupts?
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10:25:31safetydanBg3r, pastebin seems unhappy. it's timed out for me
10:25:35LinusNand no yields?
10:25:38Bg3rother pastebin ?
10:25:38peturLinusN: won't make that mistake twice ;)
10:25:44linuxstbsafetydan: I had the same problem yesterday - try
10:25:44peturno yielding
10:25:47Bg3ri mean other pastebin site ?
10:26:27Bg3rlinuxstb: 10x
10:26:28peturLinusN: but bytes get changed in it by CVS version too so it's not the eeprom driver I think
10:26:32JdGordon[17:47] <LinusN> for example, the x5 resume starts in a paused state <- do u mean returning to wps from the tree?
10:26:50JdGordonok, i think ive found the bug
10:27:08linuxstbHas anyone else noticed the red builds?
10:27:12LinusNprobably a missing screenchange call
10:27:38JdGordon{ ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_PLAY, BUTTON_NONE }, is needed in the tree context mapping.. i dont think it is the screenchange, but it could be
10:27:49LinusNlinuxstb: check the irc log at 10:24
10:28:41Bg3rok, so anyone against this approach: (yeah, i know it's kind of ugly, but i didn't want to depend on REMOTETYPE_*'s values)
10:30:07LinusNBg3r: looks ok to me
10:30:30JdGordonare you going to add the remote type seting from the command line?
10:30:41tucozlinuxstb, did you understand what Slasheri said about the mix-mode yesterday?
10:30:50Bg3rLinusN: the only thing is that it's in the uisim's button.c and the target func is in lcd-h100-remote.c file
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10:31:59LinusNBg3r: it's ok for now
10:35:08flux__I recently got this terrific (atleast I like to think so ;-)) idea for a plugin for rockbox: a hearing test
10:35:15flux__I don't think there's one around yet?
10:36:38flux__it would be able to store the results, a spectrum, to the media, and allow easy followup comparisons
10:36:51keiljdo you mean something that plays a sound at a certain frequency and u press a button if u can hear it?
10:37:12flux__in a random fashion from either left or right
10:37:13keiljgood idea
10:37:40keiljwell u could make it work on each channel, ie. left first to test teh left ear and right second to test teh right
10:37:59flux__well, I think the point is that you don't know what channel is being tested, so you can't press just for sure ;)
10:38:03keiljonly problem is if people have bad headphones that only go from say 35Hz-28Hz]
10:38:19keiljsorry 18kHz*
10:38:30safetydanthose would be really bad headphones :)
10:38:42keiljlol yeah
10:39:03keiljand if ur using rockbox u know what your doing and would probably have good headphones
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10:39:10flux__I'm not sure if the ones at the doctor's are very high quality either ;)
10:39:25peturright. eeprom driver will be for tonight. later all
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10:39:44flux__the advantage would be in comparing the results, I'd say, not in getting absolute reults
10:40:28Bg3rhm, maybe the "r" key is better for the remote type than "t" ?
10:42:01safetydanhrmm... file view with title looks a little odd in the root directory
10:42:07safetydanjust a litte '/' at the top of the screen
10:43:50JdGordonreplace it with "root" or something?
10:44:12safetydanMaybe blank or no title in root might be better
10:44:13Bg3rwhat's wrong with "/" ? :)
10:44:17markunI think / is ok
10:44:29Bg3ri second it
10:44:58Bg3rsafetydan: it's centered, isn't it?
10:45:04safetydanyeah mostly
10:45:16Bg3rthen now worries (imho)
10:46:32safetydanah well, it'll be optional anyway
10:46:39*Zagor notes that Seagate claims to have 120GB 1.8" drives ready in december
10:46:55JdGordonthats gonna be bloody expensive
10:47:12linuxstbYou could just have something like "File Browser" for the root title.
10:47:20Zagormaybe I can finally convert away from 2.5" drives then
10:47:53linuxstbAny idea if they are interchangable with the Toshiba 1.8" drives? i.e. the same physical size?
10:48:19markunZagor: any news about the 60GB single platter drives?
10:48:20Bagderand don't the 1.8" ones come with two different connectors?
10:48:40BagderI mean two kinds
10:49:06linuxstbYou mean "one of two different kinds"...
10:49:13Bagderhehe, yes
10:49:24Zagorhere is the article: 120GB mention is right at the end
10:49:27Bagderone day I'll learn to write so people understand
10:49:37Bagderbut it'll be in the distant future
10:49:42linuxstbI think we understood fine...
10:49:54Zagor"And we have this new opportunity in 1.8-inch drives, which is starting to grow for handheld video. Apple's iPod is one, but there are a lot of people putting out handheld video devices."
10:50:50Zagor"We did not have a drive for that business that will come in capacities of 60 and 120 GB, and so we will have one in the December quarter and we think that will be a nice little driver for us."
10:50:58Bg3rBagder: if this calms you, u're coping with it better tahn me :D
10:51:33markunThe product overview doesn't have many technical details
10:52:19Zagorno, this is a CEO interview so it's rather visionary. not much meat.
10:52:29Zagori just like the prospect
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10:53:47Bg3ri bet this will be over 400USD in the beginning (if available at all)
10:54:13LinusNJdGordon: for some reason, the "Channels" setting doesn't have a title
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10:54:51illogic-alanyone up?
10:55:20Bagderifconfig bagder0 up
10:55:28JdGordonLinusN: odd.. it looks ok, unless str(LANG_RECORDING_CHANNELS) is broken?
10:56:01illogic-alHas there been any updates to AAC playback on the H300?
10:57:12illogic-alah. okies.
10:59:26safetydanSo what's a good name for a setting to turn on titles in the file browser?
10:59:39JdGordontitles in browser?
10:59:56*preglow kills flash
11:00:16JdGordonsafetydan: are you showing the entire path? or just the folder one level up?
11:00:21safetydanEntire path
11:00:30safetydanWill probably need putscroll
11:00:45midkayPath Display in Browser or something?
11:00:50midkayShow Path in Browser?
11:01:02JdGordonscrolling title is bad imo... it might look like its an actual option
11:01:13JdGordoncan you add an option so it only shows one level up?
11:01:40midkay"Show Title in Browser" -> Off, Current Folder, Entire Path?
11:01:54safetydanyeah that might work
11:02:15amiconnLinusN: Is the default remote contrast ok on your X5?
11:02:23amiconnBecause on mine, 35 is way too high
11:02:43anrdewmelMy first task :)
11:02:49JdGordonLinusN: the channel configuration setting has a title for me.. maybe its your translation
11:04:05safetydanJdGordon, I had the same problem with crossfeed settings remember? Though it seemed to go away for some reason
11:04:09amiconnI need 23 or 24 for proper display
11:05:04JdGordonsafetydan: ye, im gonna guess its a translation problem..
11:06:22Bagderanrdewmel: congratulations! ;-)
11:06:33amiconnJdGordon: Just a minor thing: The file browser title should be optional
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11:06:54JdGordonamiconn: safetydan is doing it and it looks like it will be
11:07:00amiconn..and I suggest the option to be off by default for archoses (both charcell and bitmap), and on by default on other targets
11:07:17safetydanamiconn, really?
11:07:24safetydanOff by default is what I was going for.
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11:07:37LinusNJdGordon: the title is shown only if the entire string fits on the lcd
11:08:00amiconnOff by default is probably fine as well
11:08:05safetydanamiconn, principle of least surprise
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11:08:35*amiconn thinks the title thing will become a lot easier with the introduction of viewports
11:08:53preglowanyone working on that? :>
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11:09:13amiconnpreglow: Yes, me, a little bit (in my head)
11:09:29JdGordonLinusN: ah! so it is.. thats odd.. must be the centering calc... should be easy to fix
11:09:42LinusNJdGordon: it should scroll...
11:09:48amiconnJdGordon: Center if it fits, and puts_scroll when it doesn't
11:10:13JdGordonsafetydan: can you fix that in the titles patch?
11:10:27amiconnThat's another idea I had for viewports. They will have a set of associated modes. One will be the text alignment
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11:10:56keiljhello again
11:10:59safetydanJdGordon, I thought you were bored? :)
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11:11:16JdGordonhehe, im updating the actions for the new settings display
11:11:24amiconnSo in the future you could just puts_scroll the title into the headline viewport, with the viewport mode set to centered text.
11:12:03amiconnThis will also ease making the list adapt to rtl languages
11:12:05keiljim wondering if someone can help me. I would like to start writing plugins but have pretty much no programming experience. where should i start, ive read the rockbox site but i dont understand much.
11:12:20keiljare there any programs that i need or any free ebooks you can suggest?
11:12:29JdGordonyou need to learn c
11:13:05keiljokies, and is there a difference between c and c# because ive seen them used and wasnt sure if theres a difference
11:13:31Bagderyes there's a difference, C# is messy and C is pure and divine ;-)
11:14:11Bagderkeilj: pick a plugin and check the code try to figure out how it works
11:14:27Bagderthere could be a point to attempt to write a simple plugin first
11:14:58keiljlol okies. do you know of any simple plugins in should chose
11:15:08anrdewmelto paraphrase budda via Badger, "I never C what has been done; I only what remains to be done.
11:15:26Bagderkeilj: pick a simple game you like and write that for example
11:15:32anrdewmelI never C what has been done; I only C what remains to be done.
11:16:43safetydankeilj, I believe there's a helloworld plugin that's as simple as it gets
11:17:29keiljokies, i will search for that, thanks
11:18:58keiljokies the tutorial is on the helloworld plugin
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11:21:14keiljand cygwin is what you suggest i get yes?
11:22:51JdGordonLinusN: ok, i tinhk we are good to go...
11:24:09dan_akeilj: If you're running Windows, Cygwin should fairly easy.
11:24:11Bg3rJdGordon: with ?
11:24:43Bg3rnew ver ?
11:25:02amiconnLinusN: Talking about sizes - I have a local change that imho makes rockbox on archos look a bit better, and even brings down size a bit: An aspect corrected rockbox logo for the startup splash
11:25:15JdGordonuploading now... adds the new settigns, and hopefully fixes the x5 bug
11:25:25LinusNamiconn: good
11:25:29dan_akeilj: What sort of plugins are you wanting to write?
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11:25:37amiconnI'm interested in opinions, maybe I should provide a patch?
11:26:20amiconnThe logo is now 112x30 instead of 112x37, which makes it have the correct aspect when viewed on the archos lcd
11:27:34amiconnAnd it saves 112 bytes because it's one pixel block row less high
11:28:00midkaythen it probably looks nicer, right?
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11:29:23safetydanRight, about to commit an option to have title with the current or full path in the file view. Any objections?
11:29:39keiljdan_a: im not too sure, anything would be nice, a small game or something just to get me started
11:29:45midkaynot from me, sounds nice :)
11:29:52JdGordonsafetydan: did u fix the title not showing?
11:29:57safetydanJdGordon, not yet
11:30:07safetydanamiconn, what reason would someone not want the new image?
11:30:08JdGordonok, ah damn, i was about to fix it.. but dinner
11:30:57midkayhm, a few problems with the list widget stuff..
11:30:59midkayi like it though.
11:31:14amiconnsafetydan: I dunno, that's why I want opinions. Maybe people are used to th eold look
11:31:31dan_akeilj: In that case, first look at the helloworld plugin. Make it write "Hello World" at the top left of the screen, then the bottom right. Then make it move when buttons are pressed.
11:33:01keiljive still got to learn c first and im getting a few ebooks to help me out
11:33:08*safetydan takes silence as concurrence
11:34:34midkayhm, i think it would be nice to indicate the current value in the settings list system.. like indent the currently-in-effect setting by a space or something.
11:35:32amiconnThe cursor should be placed on the current value when entering
11:36:32midkayyes, but when you move around you might wonder "hm, what have i already got selected?"..
11:36:36safetydanmidkay, we could use the icon support in the list widget to indicate the current value
11:36:43midkaycurrently you'd have to cancel out and re-enter to see that..
11:37:04midkayyeah, that might be cool.
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11:37:13midkayan arrow next to the current one or something.
11:37:50midkaywe already have that pointer icon, in fact.
11:38:27midkayi don't know why though - does anyone seriously use the pointer selection mode versus the line selector? the line selector saves space and is so much easier to see.. especially on larger screens.
11:38:31keiljjust a qick question, with the hello world plgin it uses the function 'rb->splash(Hz*2, true, "Hello world")' where the Hz is i put the value of Hz as the CPU power in Hz right, as my plugins are for the H300 series it would be teh Hz of teh H300 CPU?
11:38:54midkayno, HZ there means one second.. the number of ticks to display the splash.
11:39:37midkayHZ*2 would be 2 seconds, HZ/2 would be half-second (HZ/4 = .25 second etc).. and "1" would be one tick (very very short).
11:40:21midkaymake sure it's a capital "HZ" (not Hz), by the way.
11:40:27amiconnmidkay: Most values change live, so the line where you are is always the current setting
11:40:44midkaychange live? that's .. silly..
11:40:56midkayin some places, at least.
11:40:56amiconnNo, it's convenient
11:41:05safetydanmidkay, think about volume for example
11:41:06dan_akeilj: You actually write in the program "HZ*2" and that makes it work on everything.
11:41:08midkayfor sound settings, sure...
11:41:15midkaysafetydan: right, in some places it makes sense.
11:41:17keiljahh okies. and i was told to try and make it appear in teh center then the bottom left then bottom right etc. do i use some align functions or something to do that
11:41:26amiconnAnd lcd contrast, brightness...
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11:42:19dan_akeilj: Have a look at
11:42:37amiconnBut you're still right; even though the value often changes live, you can revert to the old one by cancelling the setting
11:42:57midkayamiconn: right. playback modes might be iffy.. regardless, whether they are applied instantly or not, it'd still be nice to see where you were when you entered.
11:43:18amiconnYes, because of the cancel feature
11:43:31midkaywhat's because of the cancel feature?
11:43:56amiconnIt would be nice to see the initial value because of it
11:44:32midkayer, dunno about "because of it", but i'd just like to see it since otherwise i'd need to cancel out on the occasions i do want to see it..
11:46:21safetydanoh sod
11:46:32safetydandidn't mean to commit those wm8758 changes
11:46:46midkaywhat were they? :o
11:47:05safetydanjust renaming the eq register defines to be the same as the data sheet
11:47:48midkayare you who committed the 5G hardware eq?
11:48:07midkaycool. nice work. tried it earlier. :)
11:48:14safetydanDo the peak filters work for you?
11:48:26midkaytwo comments.. 1, it seemed to be on by default regardless that it was set "off". switching it "on" and then "off" again disabled it..
11:49:07midkay2, it'd be nice to get the graphical eq interface for it as well.
11:50:00midkayer, comment #2.5, i'd suggest dividing the EQ menu into like software EQ and hardware EQ submenus or giving the hardware EQ its own Sound Settings menu, it's kind of weird to have the Hardware EQ submenu within the Software EQ submenu.
11:50:20midkaypeak filters, i don't know. i didn't fiddle with it much, just tweaked it a bit to see how it sounded.
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11:51:22safetydanhooking the graphical interface up is a bit tricky as it assumes the values available are continuous
11:52:02midkayyou mean that there's always access to all the freq/Q values?
11:52:41safetydanno as in you can pick any value between 0 and 22500 for the cutoff/centre, but with the hardware one you can only pick 1 of 4 values
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11:53:09midkayoh, i see. i guess that'd have to be reworked to take variable range/increment values...
11:53:22*JdGordon wishes the screens struct help the number of chars the screen can hold so we dont have to calculate it every time
11:53:31safetydanI'm not sure about moving the menu around. I do agree it's a bit odd... but it fits under the general equalizer label
11:53:51amiconnJdGordon: That's not possible. Think about proportional fonts...
11:54:10JdGordonyes.. but i can wish cant i? :'(
11:54:11midkaysafetydan: it does, it just feels weird that.. hm. it's like the software EQ is all laid out under "Equalizer" and the hardware EQ is laid out in its own submenu.. inconsistent.
11:54:27JdGordonanyway, the idea was to have the title centered if it fits, or scroll if it doesnt?
11:54:35JdGordonand the same on char cell?
11:54:44safetydanmidkay, actually it'd have to support variable step size because the steps between each supported frequency in a band in the hardware eq aren't the same
11:54:59midkayi'd suggest Equalizer -> Software EQ and Equalizer -> Hardware EQ but since it's only two options I think it'd work well as just Sound Settings -> Software EQ and Sound Settings -> Hardware EQ.
11:55:04*keilj is attempting to learn c instead of doing his maths investigaton thats due tomorow which he hasnt started yet
11:55:14*keilj is an idiot
11:55:14midkaythat also eliminates extra hassle when there's no hardware eq present.
11:55:16JdGordonhha keilj
11:55:33safetydanmidkay, you talked me in to it :)
11:55:35midkaysafetydan: ah, complicated stuff :)
11:55:45midkayi tend to do that to people ;D
11:55:55safetydanJdGordon, yeah centered then scrolling if it's too big
11:56:44midkaywhile we're on the subject - the "back/rewind" button no longer exits settings screens.
11:56:50midkayi think it was broken with the list widget update.
11:56:55midkayon iPod, that is..
11:58:32safetydanmidkay, yes that's an unfortunate side effect of that patch
11:58:45midkayside effect, not bug?
11:58:51midkayit's quite an important thing IMO..
11:58:58tucozanrdewmel, thanks for the bugreport. I'll see if I can get it fixed now.
11:58:59midkaywhat's the problem?
11:59:11safetydanmidkay, JdGordon was lazy
11:59:39midkaydammit, JdGordon... if that's not fixed by tomorrow... :)
11:59:55JdGordonit might be.. up to linus when he wants to commit actions..
12:00:15midkayLinusN! wake up! commit "actions"!
12:00:42JdGordonthe downside there tho is that actions will quite likely cause some headaches...
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12:01:26*amiconn doesn't like headaches
12:01:37midkayjust another case of JdGordon rushing his code. as expected. :)
12:01:39JdGordonchange that to teething problems
12:01:44midkaythankfully i didn't commit that crap earlier!
12:01:50JdGordonhaha midkay
12:04:09Bg3rJdGordon: latest ver in the wiki ?
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12:07:03JdGordonalrighty.. title cenetring is done
12:07:59midkayJdGordon: onto the keymapping fixes...!
12:08:03keiljwhen writing #include "plugin.h" do i replace plugin.h with 'name of plugin.h' or does it stay as plugin.h
12:08:13midkayit stays.
12:08:14JdGordonit stays
12:08:31JdGordonmidkay: the keymappings are done... just waiting for commitment..
12:08:38midkaycommitment. haha.
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12:10:24keiljand its easy to use the simulator to test plugins right?
12:10:25JdGordonfs 5817 fixes the title centering...
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12:10:57safetydankeilj, reasonbly easy. You just have to remember to type "make && make install" to compile and install your plugins in the simulator
12:11:16tucozanrdewmel, I don't understand what I should do here: 2.3.3. Update now, add full stop to end of first sentence.
12:11:41JdGordonmidkay: if you've got nothing to do.... commiit 2685?
12:12:00midkayif i had vmware set up properly.
12:12:19keiljsafetydan: where do i type that in?
12:12:24midkayand if it wasn't a JdGordon patch.
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12:13:40safetydankeilj, how have you been compiling things so far? You would type that on the command line.
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12:19:00JdGordonif the lcd remote isnt connected would there be a performace increase in not sending data to it to be drawn?
12:19:27Bagderprobably even a noticable one
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12:21:52JdGordonis it likely NB_SCREENS will ever go over 2?
12:22:17keiljheres a really unrelated question but you all seem to be a smart bunch. battlefield 2 uses a certain port to play online i think, if i use portforwarding on this then should that decrease my ping?
12:22:18preglowwho knows, perhaps with a remote and a tv out :-)
12:22:23safetydanmidkay, the menu's been moved
12:22:27linuxstb_On ipods, you could potentially have the main LCD, the TV-Out and an LCD remote...
12:22:40Bagderah yes
12:22:49midkaysafetydan: cool. thanks :)
12:22:52*linuxstb_ is slower than preglow this morning...
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12:23:10*preglow has had plenty of coffee
12:23:12*linuxstb_ blames the fact that preglow is now in the afternoon.
12:23:39safetydanJdGordon, is it a noticeable decrease in speed if you use getstringsize to do the title centering properly?
12:23:47*safetydan thinks the label centering still looks odd
12:23:50midkaysafetydan: were you gonna revert that unwanted change, by the way, or is it kind of a "whatever" trivial change..
12:24:00safetydanmidkay, whatever
12:24:03tucozanyone understand what I should do here? 4.2 Bass first sentence should read, "This emphasizes or suppresses the lower (bass) sounds....". Decapitalise the word "bass".
12:24:09JdGordonsafetydan: i didnt try
12:24:18midkaysafetydan: k, just wanted to remind you in case you forgot :)
12:24:25linuxstb_preglow: BTW, I've discovered that if I leave my house, my new portable DAB/MP3 player can pick up the BBC's multiplex. So I'm definitely going to keep it, and hope for a future firmware upgrade to appear...
12:24:39tucozThe word bass isn't capitalized
12:24:45JdGordonsafetydan: putting the length check in the title init functio means its ok to have it a bit sloppy, because its not called for every redraw
12:24:52preglowlinuxstb_: weird...
12:25:01preglowlinuxstb_: rockbox it...
12:25:15linuxstb_preglow: OK, give me a minute...
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12:25:50preglowthere's already a firmware on it, so it can't be impossible, right?
12:25:56preglowby looking at the existing one, a quick port should be able to be done
12:26:06preglowunless you're braindead, that is
12:26:14linuxstb_That's my problem - I can't find the firmware...
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12:27:53preglowyou need to hack the flash
12:28:09preglowuse a screwdriver
12:28:36linuxstb_Well, the flash is on a handy daughterboard... So If I had any kind of hardware skills, I could do that.
12:28:43daurn|laptopyou need to hack the screwdriver first!!!
12:28:50daurn|laptopuse a set of pliers
12:29:21linuxstb_The daughterboard also has space on the reverse-side for another 1GB flash chip...
12:29:29*JdGordon hopes his bool logic and ()'s are correct
12:29:29preglowdaurn|laptop: good point
12:29:37JdGordonhow does this look...
12:29:42webguest22Does the FM radio need a special initialization? I tried to set up FM screen after startup by calling radio_screen() in tree.c. The FM screen shows up but there's no sound. I Use H1xx.
12:29:47JdGordon#define FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) for(i = 0; (i < NB_SCREENS) && \
12:29:51JdGordon ((i!=SCREEN_REMOTE) || ((i==SCREEN_REMOTE) && \
12:29:55JdGordon (remote_type()==REMOTETYPE_H300_LCD) || \
12:29:55JdGordon (remote_type()==REMOTETYPE_H100_LCD) \
12:29:56JdGordon ) \
12:29:56DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
12:29:56JdGordon ) ; i++)
12:30:17preglowlinuxstb_: some of the batshit crazy mame people have already started to crack open chips to look at them, perhaps you could do the same and extract the bit pattern that way
12:30:28Dammehmm, trying to mount the bootpartition, ripped it of my ipod video, but I think the header is stopping me ,, mount -o loop bootpartition.bin /mnt/temp -t msdos
12:30:32linuxstb_Ah yes, my toy microscope will help...
12:30:54preglowtake the chip out on the street and ask nasa to hubble it for you
12:31:01linuxstb_Damme: Why would you want to do such a thing? The bootpartition isn't a normal filesystem.
12:31:15CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
12:31:15*preglow is feeling helpful today
12:31:22Dammelinuxstb isn't it ? thought someone said is was a fat16 :)
12:31:28linuxstb_The apple_sw_5g_rsrc.bin file is a FAT16 filesystem though
12:31:50JdGordonBg3r: can u test this in the sim?
12:32:01linuxstb_And yes, you'll probably need to strip a header from it - maybe 0x200 (512) bytes.
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12:32:12Bg3rJdGordon: which one ?
12:32:22Bg3rsorry, didn't follow the conversation
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12:33:00linuxstb_preglow: Seriously, your suggestion of accessing the flash directly outside the device sounds feasible.. But just not for me.
12:33:04tucozShould I capitalize Vorbis?
12:33:15linuxstb_Check Xiph's website...
12:33:17tucozthe V that is
12:33:52linuxstb_But if we're capitalising Ipod according to rules of English, we should probably do the same for Vorbis.
12:33:54tucozlooks like it
12:34:24bluebrothertucoz: as we capitalize manufacturer names I'd say capitalize Vorbis too.
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12:34:38tucozbluebrother, yes. You are right
12:35:05tucozbluebrother, do you think it's ok to insert a \\ to get a line break before a \fname{...}?
12:35:23tucozor should we solve that with the fname macro somehow?
12:35:29bluebrotherwhy should we need to insert a line break before a fname?
12:35:50tucozbecause otherwise the fname will be in the margin
12:35:57bluebrotherI can't leave menus with left anymore :(
12:36:07*JdGordon runs away
12:36:34bluebrotherI also don't like the path to be centered.
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12:38:38bluebrotherdisabling "show path" doesn't work for me. Need to rolo ...
12:39:02bluebrotheralso, when showing only the current dir it shouldn't get a / prepended.
12:40:07amiconnJdGordon: Not drawing on the remote when it's not connected is a BAD idea - unless you keep track what you didn't draw
12:40:26amiconnThe remote can be hot-plugged
12:40:56JdGordonmy quick bandaid solution isnt really workable
12:41:31JdGordonredefinig FOR_NB_SCREENS,,, it proably needs to be done by the lcd drawing code, but that means we still waste time setting up the drawing
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12:43:40amiconnThe remote drawing doesn't take that much time
12:43:58amiconnAnd redefining FOR_NB_SCREENS doesn't solve the hotplug problem
12:44:25keiljso is cygwin just a compiler or an editor aswell, mine doesnt do anything when i double click it, i also downloaded vim
12:44:48amiconnIf you plug in the remote after being in a screen for a while, the remote would show nothing first, and then gradually show parts of the content
12:44:55amiconn-> bad
12:45:08amiconnAnd in your logic you forgot the X5
12:45:32JdGordonye, bger says if you hotplug it the lists get out of sync, which makes sense with the list not being initialised for the remote..
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12:46:13Bg3rhaha the sim battery went flat :D
12:46:24Bagderkeilj: cygwin is a whole environment
12:47:42keiljBadger: i followed instructions but when i try and run it it doesnt do anything, im using Windows XP
12:47:51Bagderthen you did wrong
12:47:59Bagderit should pop up a command prompt window
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12:54:33Dammebah! my ipod rebooted then I was filling it with songs,, if thinks it's a 4TB disk now, and some songs are 100GB big :p
12:54:44Dammeit thinks*
12:55:00miraklinuxstb: is there some tasklist for video playback and codec improvement ?
12:55:17linuxstb_mirak: Nothing written down...
12:55:34miraklinuxstb: and oraly
12:55:56miraklinuxstb: I mean verbaly,
12:56:10keiljok ive written the helloworld plugin in a program called vim. i can save it as a text file but im not too sure how to compile. ive read arnd a bit but im siff not too sure
12:56:55Bagderkeilj: you have the rockbox source and can compile it?
12:58:29keiljwell im not too sure what you mean but im going to use teh simulator to test it. i installed cygwin butit doesnt seem to run at all. im guessing i have to download teh rockbox source from the rockbox site first?
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12:58:52Bagderkeilj: step 1 is to be able to build rockbox, as it is
12:58:59Bagderbe it simulator or for target
12:59:04JdGordonsafetydan: some hardware eq changes got commited with the directory title commit? was that accidental?
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12:59:28safetydanJdGordon, yes it was an accident. Those changes have no effect though and would have been comitted eventually.
12:59:56JdGordonjust making sure you knew they got added
13:00:03linuxstb_mirak: There are basically two areas of work: 1) Optimise the hell out of the video decoding and lcd_yuv_blit function; 2) Implement the rest of the high-level stuff a video player needs - buffering, parsing/demixing a container format, audio decoding, seeking etc.
13:00:42mirak lcd_yuv_blit what is the matter with this function ?
13:00:55linuxstb_It needs to be made as fast as possible.
13:01:00mirakit's a rockbox function or a codec function ? it's just about drawing to screen ?
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13:01:36linuxstb_It's a new Rockbox function which converts an image from YUV to the native RGB format for the LCD, and writes that image to the LCD hardware.
13:02:01linuxstb_You use it instead of writing to lcd_framebuffer and then calling lcd_update().
13:02:14linuxstb_(it bypasses lcd_framebuffer)
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13:05:07keiljok well ive installed cygwin and when i double click the exe it flashes a cmd screen for a split second then does nothing after that, an ideas what i did wrong
13:05:23keiljor is it supposed to do that?
13:05:33linuxstb_Which exe? Shouldn't there be a "cygwin.bat" file?
13:05:33Bagderits not supposed to do that
13:07:25keiljok i found a MS-Dos batch file calledcygwin and when i double click that it does the same thing
13:07:44daurn|laptopkeilj: you should just be using cygwin.bat
13:07:44keiljand thats in c:/cygwin wherer i installed it to
13:08:19keiljshouldnt that be found in teh file i installed it to
13:08:44keiljwhich is c:/cygwin
13:09:00linuxstb_keilj: It sounds like the installation didn't finish properly. Do you have a Cygwin menu in your Start->Programs menu?
13:09:55keiljyes, and in that folder there is a file called cygwin Bash shell
13:10:02keiljand thats all
13:11:07***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
13:12:42keiljthis is all turning out to be even more difficult than what i thought it would be
13:13:15linuxstb_If I was you, I would re-run the Cygwin setup program. It should just work...
13:15:26keiljok just to make sure, im at teh screen that i have to select the packages to install from the rockbox site. i must have them set as Install or Default, which one, or is it something completely different to that
13:16:08*amiconn has ideas for lcd_yuv_blit()
13:16:19linuxstb_amiconn: General ideas, or Coldfire ideas?
13:16:22*amiconn has way more ideas than time :/
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13:16:28amiconnGeneral ideas
13:16:34linuxstb_Share some ideas, maybe others will implement...
13:18:00keiljim at the screen that i have to select the packages to install from the rockbox site. i must have them set as Install or Default, which one, or is it something completely different to that
13:18:09keiljthis is in cygwin
13:18:18Bagderkeilj: you installed all the other packages fine?
13:18:42keilji think so
13:18:53Bagderthen install these ones
13:19:13Bagdernot that lack of these last ones should cause the problems you got
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13:22:34dongslol is gaim crashing on load for anyone else
13:23:43JdGordonsafetydan: ive fixed the title centering so it actually works properly now.. also, ive changed it so it doesnt show the / before directories (unless u are in /) because it looks wrong
13:24:09safetydanbah, I've just done the same thing :)
13:24:20JdGordonhaha, damn, ok
13:24:31Dammedamn checkdisk is slow over usb :) it have been working for 1h not, and phase2 50% :P (30gb ipod)
13:24:34safetydanlet's see your patch then
13:25:03JdGordonfs 5817
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13:26:05JdGordonscrolling titles doesnt work so well..
13:28:48JdGordonhow much of a PITA is adding title to menus going to be?
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13:37:30amiconnJdGordon: I'd rather keep the leading / ...
13:37:45JdGordonit looks wrong...
13:38:02JdGordonif you see /blaa you expect to be in /blaa no /asdf/fd/blaa
13:39:10amiconnI'd expect to see the full path...
13:39:30amiconn(scrolling if it doesn't fit otherwise)
13:39:32JdGordonno, i only removed te leading / if you are only showing the curent directoy
13:39:43JdGordonif your showing the full path nothing changed
13:40:04amiconnAh, it's selectable
13:40:12*amiconn can't check it out right now
13:41:10JdGordonadding titles to menus is absolutly heaps of work, and i cant see a way to do it that wont make re-arranging items later-on very annoying
13:41:25dongsi wanna fork rockbox
13:41:25JdGordonso is it wanted? or not bother?
13:41:30dongsand get rid of gay platforms
13:41:32dongswho's with me?
13:41:37LinusNdongs: go a head
13:41:41JdGordonbugger off dongs
13:41:48dongsJdGordon: what
13:42:01JdGordonLinusN is baaack :D commit actions :D
13:42:02LinusNJdGordon: i think it would be very neat
13:42:50LinusNhas anyone else but me tried the action patch?
13:43:02JdGordonyour the only one that counts :D
13:43:12JdGordoni have, u have, ...
13:43:59LinusNJdGordon: what about this:
13:44:01LinusN- static const unsigned char *nsec_units[] = { "ns", "s", "ms" };
13:44:01LinusN+ static const unsigned char *nsec_units[] = { "ns", "s", "ms" };
13:44:31LinusNyou have changed "s" so "s"
13:44:47JdGordonbugger.. sorry, i forgot to remove the 3 accidents before uploading.. its coz kate doesnt do unicode
13:44:49*preglow sings the utf8 blues
13:44:54preglowkate doesn't do unicde????
13:45:06LinusNJdGordon: then use an editor that does
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13:45:16JdGordonor diff.. or something... its that and 2 (c) notices
13:45:29preglowdiff most certainly doesn't care
13:45:40LinusNthe least you can expect from an editor is that it doesn't mess with the files
13:45:46Bagderclearly diff could show that sign ;-)
13:46:09*LinusN hugs emacs
13:46:17theli_uaamiconn, i've measured fps on mini with grayscale in zxbox .. its about 16.2 fps against 41 fps in 2bpp mode :(
13:46:46LinusNi don't care if the editor shows the correct unicode or not, but it should definitely not change anything in the file when i save it
13:47:04JdGordoni dunno.. i cant find the option for utf-8 anywhere...
13:47:13*LinusN hugs emacs again
13:47:53JdGordonso whatcha reckon? is it gonna happen tonight?
13:48:30LinusNi hope to be able to commit it in a few moments
13:49:02LinusNand then you and i will get hundreds of complaints in this channel from all the devs that haven
13:49:05*JdGordon starts a complaint thread on the forums
13:49:08LinusN't tried the patch
13:49:37LinusNand didn't participate in the discussions
13:49:55JdGordon.. so its their own fault :D
13:50:39*preglow hugs vim
13:50:51amiconnJdGordon: The isn't Unicode. It's plain iso8859-1
13:50:51*safetydan hugs gedit and vim
13:51:25amiconntheli_ua: Did you try buffered mode as well?
13:51:28preglowaction thing is getting commited?
13:51:52LinusNpreglow: very soon, i hope
13:51:56*preglow hasn't tried the patch or followed the discussions :>
13:52:18JdGordonLinusN: can u link to in the commit message?
13:52:28JdGordonhopefully that will make things easier
13:52:46LinusNlet's hope so
13:53:07JdGordonand possibly lock it untill you do actually commit it?
13:53:28*Bagder locked
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13:54:19LinusNso, are we ready for button mapping mayhem?
13:54:33*Bagder prepares to dig a deep hole
13:54:47*JdGordon prepares his run-away-from-home kit
13:55:47LinusNi suspect the worst problems might be on the Player, Ondio and iPod
13:56:07LinusNbecause they have "odd" buttons
13:56:17JdGordonipod should be fine, i tested on a 4g late last week...
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13:59:08JdGordonhaha, the thread already has had 9 views
14:00:14theli_uaamiconn, not yet
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14:03:30*daurn|laptop kububtus your ass
14:06:40amiconnLinusN: None of the archoses has 'odd' buttons. The player and Ondios have 6, and the recorder has 10. However, the irivers and ipods have odd buttons ;)
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14:08:31safetydanNow would be a bad time to commit the list title centering and / stripping fix right?
14:09:37JdGordonsafetydan: silence means no :D
14:09:51safetydanJdGordon, probably :)
14:10:04safetydanthough it's not your version of the patch, it's mine
14:10:19daurn|laptopamiconn: archos gmini 400 & 402 have 11 buttons - YOU LOSE :P
14:10:21JdGordonyour only stripping the / for the current directory right?
14:10:27safetydanJdGordon, yes
14:10:32safetydanand only for directories under root
14:10:44safetydan gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, strrchr(tc.currdir, '/') +
14:10:44safetydan (tc.dirlevel > 0 ? 1 : 0));
14:11:17safetydanthough I wonder if I should be paranoid and use sizeof(char) instead of 1
14:11:34JdGordonthat may not work... tc.dirlevel can go wierd..
14:11:49safetydanHow's that then?
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14:12:45JdGordonchanging from id3-> dir can stuff it up. but should be ok
14:12:55JdGordonalso, it always displays / int he id3 browser..
14:13:02safetydanooo... tag cache... haven't even looked at that yet
14:13:34amiconndaurn|laptop: The gmini 400 isn't supported by rockbox
14:14:22daurn|laptopamiconn: it should be ;)
14:14:41Bagderdaurn|laptop: go go go
14:14:56JdGordondaurn|laptop walked straight into that :p
14:15:02amiconnsafetydan: How about gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, tc.dirlevel > 0 ? strrchr(tc.currdir, '/') + 1 : "/");
14:15:11amiconnSaves the strrchr call for the root
14:15:14daurn|laptopBagder: ?
14:15:36Bagderdo the port
14:16:42safetydanamiconn, good idea
14:16:47daurn|laptopi was going to once
14:16:53daurn|laptopbut i didn't
14:16:58daurn|laptophad too much other stuff to do
14:17:55daurn|laptopand i have no urge to anymore
14:18:54safetydanI think I'll disable the title string for tagcache view
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14:24:42JdGordonsafetydan: probably a good idea.. we can leave that to Slasheri :D
14:25:05safetydanyeah tagcache would have to set tc.currdir to something sensible for it to work right
14:25:29theli_uaamiconn, can you, please , explain how to work in buffered mode in grayscale?
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14:26:33safetydanThis title thing also sort of solves the "Hey why is my screen blank" problem.
14:27:11*LinusN does a major commit-and-run
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14:28:12JdGordonsafetydan: you should be checking for !id3db before setting the title...
14:28:33jsMikeSNo shite it's more that 24hrs a day
14:28:47JdGordonhaha jsMikeS
14:29:02Dammehmm, wierd, Then I boot up my ipod I get a box saying "No files" and I cant do nothing ..
14:29:13safetydanJdGordon, eh?
14:29:21preglowwon't this code also ease coding custom key mappings by a bit? :>
14:29:37linuxstb_preglow: Stop giving JdGordon evil ideas...
14:29:37jsMikeSIt's a way of 'bout a rockbox monestary in Tibet?
14:29:41Bagderpreglow: shhhh
14:29:41JdGordonpreglow: yes,
14:29:44safetydanshh... don't tell people
14:30:25JdGordonsafetydan: before line 350.. it should ceck for (!id3db) so that title code isnt called if we are in the id3 browser..
14:30:46jsMikeSlcd_yuv_blit and other related changes: FS #5816 X5 lcd_yuv_blit ASM
14:31:11JdGordonpreglow: dont tell anyone.. but the action patch now has a secret setting which disables the annoying hold l/r scrolling patch that was commited a few days ago
14:31:21safetydanJdGordon, but... it does check and not set the title in id3db mode
14:31:29preglowJdGordon: i think that should be reverted anyway
14:31:40preglowit makes browsing feel so... sticky...
14:31:47safetydanJdGordon, or are you saying merge the title stuff in to the if block above
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14:33:31safetydanyup, tc.dirlevel isn't reliable after exiting tagcache view
14:33:50JdGordongrr.. pastebin is being gay....
14:33:53JdGordonif (!id3db) {
14:33:57JdGordon if (global_settings.show_path_in_browser == SHOW_PATH_FULL) {
14:34:02JdGordon gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, tc.currdir);
14:34:02JdGordon } else if (global_settings.show_path_in_browser == SHOW_PATH_CURRENT) {
14:34:02JdGordon gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, strrchr(tc.currdir, '/'));
14:34:02JdGordon }
14:34:28safetydanwhich is what it currently does
14:34:48jsMikeSShould I put side messaging on the backlight thread to stave the flood of BACKLIGHT_ON/BACKLIGHT_OFF calls that can be generated, esp if Caption Backlight is enabled?
14:34:57JdGordonunless youve changed it since my last update i dont see how it does already?
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14:36:36Mikachuhm, the "show current dir only" is very confusing
14:36:46Mikachuit displays the rightmost segment of the path, but includes a / at the start
14:36:56Mikachuso you think it's in the root
14:37:03safetydanJdGordon, the current code is this
14:37:13JdGordonMikachu: thats being fixed
14:37:16safetydanMikachu, it shouldn't do that
14:37:25JdGordonsafetydan: ah ok
14:37:27safetydanat least what's in CVS shouldn't do that
14:37:28Mikachuis that what we're talking about?
14:37:59safetydanMikachu, are you using what's just been comitted to CVS about five minutes ago?
14:38:17Mikachui spent those compiling
14:38:27safetydanit's fixed now and much nicer in CVS :)
14:38:30jsMikeS?? Anyone not busy to give any thoughts?
14:38:43Mikachudid the keymap stuff also get committed?
14:38:48JdGordonweeee :D cheers LinusN
14:38:51safetydanMikachu, yes it did
14:38:58Mikachuthat explains the multitude of conflicts
14:39:04safetydanjsMikeS, can't comment, not my area
14:39:39LinusNthis means that *many* patches in the tracker will fail to apply
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14:39:54jsMikeSsafetydan: Well, anyone who's area it is is free to do so! :)
14:40:09JdGordonLinusN: ah.. minor problem... can u backout the change to lcd-h100-remote.c? that was fixed a few hours ago
14:40:32jsMikeSsafetydan: I want my fingers in everyone's pie! hehehe
14:40:51preglowfinger pie, mmmmmm...
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14:41:19Mikachuwhere are the buttons defined?
14:41:40Mikachui don't see those files in the commit
14:41:49JdGordon.. which dont seem to be in the commit :p
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14:42:10*JdGordon even checked they were in the patch before uploading :'(
14:42:14Mikachuthey seem to be now
14:42:21Mikachubut it's still compiling so not on the mainpage yet
14:42:43*JdGordon guesses the iriver sims will fail again
14:42:54tucozthey are here:
14:43:04*linuxstb_ isn't sure if he wants to cvs update in the immediate future...
14:43:11dan_aYay! Only 3 files with conflicts in in my working tree
14:43:15jsMikeSDoes there need to be an rb faithful thread model for windows simulators?
14:43:32Mikachulinuxstb_: i've got a task you can close in the meantime
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14:43:43tucoznice build table :)
14:43:46BagderjsMikeS: if it helps simulating the targets better
14:43:48linuxstb_jsMikeS: Do you mean the win32 build, as opposed to the SDL build running in Windows?
14:43:51LinusNjsMikeS: it helps, yes
14:43:58JdGordonhehe woopsies...
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14:44:37linuxstb_Mikachu: Why do you want me to close that? Has it been committed?
14:44:37LinusNJdGordon: something tells me you haven't built for all targets
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14:44:48jsMikeSI mean whatever would run it that code (not sure what does) would break win95 (as I've said before) but noone seemed to care.
14:45:14jsMikeSI think all functions would work the same too.
14:45:22preglowhmm, atmel seems to be rolling out some very interesting new 32 bit micro controllers
14:45:38tucozshould we really consider win95 these days?
14:45:52*JdGordon apologises
14:45:57Bagderpreglow: which ones?
14:46:04preglowavr32 based stuff
14:46:14preglowjust read about it now
14:46:16Bagderah yes with the at91 cruft on
14:46:26preglowdunno about that
14:46:38Bagderthey changed core from arm9 to avr32
14:46:50preglowthey claim it's better than arm
14:46:56preglowi'm reading up a bit now
14:46:58preglowbeats working :>
14:47:02Bagderintroducing new problems in the linux kernel since there would be the same chip drivers but for different cores...
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14:47:32preglowi've programmed the ordinary avr chips for a bit, and they're pretty nice
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14:48:41BagderI used their at91rm9200 arm one and did lots of linux lowlevel work on it
14:49:35preglowseems to be a bit inspired by arm, though
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14:50:23JdGordonLinusN: iv got a patch to fix the table if u want it
14:50:27safetydannight all
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14:50:29JdGordonor do i FS it?
14:50:39preglowwhat with several instruction set variants, interrupt register shadowing, etc
14:50:51LinusNJdGordon: i fixed alarm_menu.c
14:51:43JdGordonkeymap ipod needs #include "settings.h" and the yellow in debug isnt so major..
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14:52:57preglowregister file seems to be identical to arm..
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14:53:06jsMikeStucoz: I dunno, that's why I ask. Didn't the directories for the sims change around recently since I remember cvs saying a lot of sim files are no longer in the repository.
14:53:46*jsMikeS might need his medication as could be mistaken
14:53:48BagderjsMikeS: the win32/x11 simulators are gone, we only have a sdl versions now
14:54:08tucozsorry, no idea. Was just thinking that win95 as a rather old and unstable platform to support in any case.
14:54:30tucozIf support for win95 means a lot of work that is
14:54:36jsMikeSBagder: Then how's a perfect thread sim at least for windows suppose to go in there?
14:54:57BagderjsMikeS: don't ask me, I'm not a windows man
14:54:59jsMikeStucoz: There's no facility for doing that since is doesn't have fibers/
14:55:04linuxstb_Is it possible via SDL?
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14:55:34LinusNJdGordon: your router needs to be set up properly for dcc to work
14:55:39jsMikeSMaybe SDL can be changed to use fiber in Win32
14:55:51LinusNbesides, i have fixed it myself, so you don't have to worry
14:56:22Bagderthat nice christmas tree look!
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14:56:49Goombacan rockbox for the ipod video play movies, or do i need to use the original firmware for that
14:57:21LinusNGoomba: the video support in rockbox is not yet fully functional
14:57:21Mikachushould pressing MENU in the quick menu go to the main menu or return from the quickmenu? it currently does the former on ipods
14:57:30jsMikeSthread-sdl.c and kernel.c in sdl/ ?
14:57:49Goombaokay, thanks
14:57:52LinusNMikachu: i think it should leave the quick menu, if anything
14:58:09Mikachuit leaves any other menu
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14:59:33Mikachuoh and in gui_quickscreen_do_button, there are () around the value for return
15:00:59MikachuJdGordon: call me crazy, but ACTION_QS_* aren't defined in keymap-ipod.c
15:01:12JdGordonyour crazy!
15:01:21JdGordonand its quite possible i forgot them :p
15:01:32JdGordonwho said this was ready???
15:01:35JdGordontisk tisk!!
15:01:38*JdGordon runs
15:01:43Mikachupls fix
15:01:50LinusNwe should probably expect lots of errors in the keymaps
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15:02:22Mikachuthe commit said to use the forum or the mailing list, but i don't use those so you'll have to live with me reporting them here
15:04:28jsMikeSwhere's the SDL code?
15:04:39Mikachuwhy is it called ACTION_QS_DOWNINV? why not... UP?
15:04:53BagderjsMikeS: rockbox/uisimulator/sdl
15:05:25Mikachuoh okay it didn't do what i thought
15:06:25jsMikeSBagder: Searched that and saw SDL_CreateThread called but no implemention itself
15:06:39Bagderyou need SDL installed
15:07:01bluebrotherhmm. That "cancelled" message when leaving a setting makes the ui somewhat ... sluggish
15:07:03Bagderthat has the actual SDL code
15:07:25jsMikeSrrrr...I built the Linux simulator and it ran so there must be a binary library
15:07:40linuxstb_bluebrother: I didn't notice it being any longer than the previous cancel...
15:07:54bluebrother"browse plugins" shows "/" as path. Intended?
15:08:12BagderjsMikeS: yes, we provide cygwin dlls etc on the rockbox site
15:08:27bluebrotherlinuxstb_: I haven't had a "cancelled" message until I updated today.
15:08:27linuxstb_bluebrother: I would say not... There are also the other browsers - fonts, themes, wps, ...
15:08:32JdGordonbluebrother: iirc its faster now than it was before...
15:09:08jsMikeSI'm using vmware
15:09:20bluebrotherthe ui itself feels faster, but that "cancelled" introduces a short pause. I'm pretty used to leaving a setting with left which was pretty fast before.
15:09:37linuxstb_bluebrother: So you've never cancelled a setting before? The "Cancelled" message used to appear where the setting name (e.g. "Volume") appeared.
15:09:37BagderjsMikeS: but then you're using linux, aren't you?
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15:10:00bluebrotheralso, should the "browse plugins" (fonts, etc) show a path even if "show path" is disabled?
15:10:02LinusNbluebrother: leaving the setting with left now cancels the change
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15:10:31bluebrotherLinusN: didn't it work like that before (except there wasn't a spash)?
15:10:33LinusNuse Select to confirm the change
15:10:41LinusNbluebrother: no
15:10:41MikachuLinusN: hm, "onplay_callback" in onplay.c suggests someone very intentionally made menu_exit_menu go to the main menu instead of leaving the context menu
15:10:51Mikachuor anyone else who cares:
15:10:55linuxstb_bluebrother: No, LEFT used to accept the setting. So that's why there was no Cancelled message...
15:11:09preglowooh, lots of snappy nice dsp instructions
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15:11:14bluebrotherah, ok. Then I hadn't noticed that ...
15:11:17LinusNMikachu: doesn't sound right
15:11:23Mikachu /* catch MENU_EXIT_MENU within context menu to call the main menu afterwards */
15:11:31LinusNMikachu: i thought you were talking about the quick menu
15:11:34bluebrotherbtw, disabling the "show path" option doesn't work, path is still shown.
15:11:59MikachuLinusN: i thought the context menu was the quick menu :)
15:12:19Mikachuwhat other quick menus are there?
15:12:43Mikachui probably said it by mistake since i just looked at the quick screen code
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15:13:55bluebrotherok, after rolo-ing the path in "browse plugins" is gone, so it seems to be only the setting not working
15:15:50MikachuJdGordon: changing scroll direction is slower because _FWD is not a prereq for _BACK and vice versa, should those be added?
15:16:10LinusNMikachu: there are context menus and quick screens
15:16:20LinusNonplay is the context menu
15:16:24Mikachusorry, when i said quick menu i meant the context menu
15:16:39Mikachui think it's confusing that pressing menu there goes to the main menu instead of exiting the context menu
15:17:02LinusNi think so too
15:17:09MikachuJdGordon: if i'm scrolling up, i have to scroll down twice to go down one step, because the first time you get a _FWD|REPEAT but the previous button wasn't _FWD, it was _BACK (on ipods)
15:17:11linuxstb_Mikachu: I agree. MENU there should probably exit the menu.
15:17:21JdGordonLinusN: whats cancel in the quickscreen?
15:17:24JdGordonfor x5
15:17:26theli_uaamiconn, 21.31-21.32 in Chuckie Egg in buffered mode ... almost 100%!! .. i'm wondering how speed is on other targets
15:17:46LinusNJdGordon: should be the same as the menu key
15:17:59theli_uaamiconn, oops ... mistype ..... 23.31 - 23.32 FPS
15:18:02linuxstb_theli_ua: Sorry, I haven't had chance to look at your emulator yet, but I plan to....
15:18:05lowlightJdGordon, safetydan: I take it you've seen my list titles patch for displaying the current directory:
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15:18:42MikachuJdGordon: where in the menu is the setting for left/right screen scrolling?
15:18:46LinusNJdGordon: i.e BUTTON_REC
15:19:05JdGordonMikachu: you can only change it in the cfg files.
15:19:12theli_ualinuxstb_, i'm going to update version at tracker cause using buffered mode in grayscale Chuckie Egg goes at 23 FPS against 16 FPS in unbuffered .... i;m still not certain what is the situation on other targets (i own mini only)
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15:19:54MikachuLinusN, linuxstb_: are either of you likely to change it on your own?
15:20:22theli_ualinuxstb_, you think i should change to buffered mode or just live it under defines USE_BUFFERED ?
15:20:25JdGordonlowlight: no i didnt see that.. i wonder if you did it the same was as me?
15:20:30LinusNMikachu: which one?
15:20:37Mikachuexiting the context menu
15:20:48bluebrotheroh, the scrolling with one button that recently got added is gone.
15:20:52LinusNi believe JdGordon is on the case
15:21:20JdGordonbluebrother: it shouldnt be... it defaults to being on
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15:21:52bluebrotherhas there been a setting introduced for that? Now I can use the button combo that worked before.
15:22:06Dammeomg, rockbox owns
15:22:17DammeSolong itunes :P
15:22:29Mikachualright, who's responsible for the path display in the browser?
15:22:35Mikachuthere's an off-by-one when scrolling up with paged scrolling
15:22:52jhMikeSWhat parts of SDL are really used in the sims?
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15:23:37LinusNjhMikeS: you want a complete list of all functions that are called?
15:23:38Mikachuwas it safetydan?
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15:24:21lowlightJdGordon: it looks similar from what I've seen. I had all the issues with scrolling worked out, page up/down etc worked out.
15:24:28jhMikeSLinusN: If that's not too much trouble that would help a lot.
15:24:47jhMikeSUsing system threads is spooky
15:25:05LinusNfind -name "*.c" | xargs grep SDL
15:25:15JdGordonx5 and ipod both have quickscreen keys now
15:26:01jhMikeSfrom within uisimulator
15:26:03LinusNbasically, we use 2d drawing, threads and buttons
15:26:25JdGordonMikachu: off by one?
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15:26:37MikachuJdGordon: when i scroll up, the selected item is outside of the screen
15:26:44MikachuJdGordon: so the display jumps up one line too much
15:26:53Mikachupresumably due to the added line of the current dir
15:27:07linuxstb_LinusN: Plus sound (but he's gone...)
15:27:19jsMikeSwtf? I'm still here...must be because of the other program instance :D
15:27:34*linuxstb_ is confused...
15:27:49LinusNsplit personality syndrome
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15:27:54JdGordonMikachu: ah, so it does!
15:28:01MikachuJdGordon: think you can fix it?
15:28:11Mikachui looked at the code but i have no idea what all those vars mean
15:28:30JdGordondoes the player, recorder and ondios have the quickscreen?
15:28:52LinusNi think the titles need a different look
15:29:27bluebrotherhow about inverting them?
15:29:28LinusNeither reverse video or a 3d bevel look or something
15:29:49Mikachuinverse would just look like it's selected
15:29:51linuxstb_No, I want a larger font for them.
15:30:39*linuxstb_ sees some eye candy creeping in through the back door....
15:30:43LinusNi wouldn't want a larger font, i use unifont
15:30:56Mikachualso, the scrolling of the titles reset whenever you scroll in the list
15:31:06Mikachuwhich is probably hard to avoid
15:31:39LinusNshouldn't be
15:31:42lowlightPlease look at my older patch for list titles...all these issues with scrolling were worked out.
15:32:01JdGordonwish you;d have come in earlier int he day :p
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15:32:42*jsMikeS can see a whole other project just waiting
15:33:06*jsMikeS need to get his head away from the display driver first
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15:34:47jsMikeSlinuxstb_: Eye candy? Say more.
15:36:14jsMikeSAnd where's amiconn? We were thinking about flipping all the LCD functions to use highspeed write mode for the display.
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15:36:41bdhi dstrek
15:36:48lowlightAn underline is very easy to do to separate the title from the list.
15:36:48dstrekoh snap
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15:38:51jsMikeSAnd how bout an interpolated display for pacbox just for kicks so it looks good?
15:39:19Mikachuthat would kill the fps
15:39:20*jsMikeS needs his ritalin
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15:39:37jsMikeSMikachu: we'll see...hehe
15:40:10linuxstb_jsMikeS: For pacbox, the idea solution is to design new sprites for the smaller targets - the whole display is sprite based.
15:40:19jsMikeSMaybe not every port but X5, H300, and iPod might handle it
15:40:36linuxstb_^ideal solution
15:40:52jsMikeSlinuxstb_: Could be but I like the idea of having the originals if that what they are.
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15:41:33linuxstb_I just mean resize the sprites once, rather than resize the screen 25 times a second... We could keep the original design, and even resize the sprites at init-time.
15:41:46Mikachunow that we are changing up the keymaps, i wonder if anyone wants to swap the QUICKSCREEN and CONTEXT keys on ipods?
15:41:51jsMikeSI don't want to modify the rom's. What about the board?
15:42:07jsMikeSWhat's the native res?
15:42:16Mikachuit makes more sense to me to use the menu key to go to the context menu
15:42:16linuxstb_Something like 288x224
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15:42:38linuxstb_Mikachu: No, I like the context menu mapped to a long-press on select - it feels like a right-click on the file.
15:43:23Mikachuokay, i'll keep it local then
15:43:33linuxstb_jsMikeS: Sorry, 224x288 (it's portrait)
15:43:51linuxstb_(and fits nicely on the 5g's 320x240 screen...)
15:44:11jsMikeSlinuxstb_: I'd love to get it to run with resize otf
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15:44:32*jsMikeS should be locked up
15:44:33Mikachui don't see why prescaling would be so bad?
15:45:37*jsMikeS enjoys a challenge
15:45:51linuxstb_jsMikeS: A page by someone in the IPL project with too much free time on his hands :)
15:46:35jsMikeSI don't see why bidirectional weighting would be so bad either. Compute the pixel weights in advance on each axis.
15:47:10JdGordonlol linuxstb_
15:47:27Mikachujust adding the 4 pixels together instead of using the top left one makes it slower
15:48:17Mikachubut please try anyway :)
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15:48:25jsMikeSThe ratio is not 160/288x128/224
15:48:29jsMikeSI mean IS
15:48:30coobany arm asm types around?
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15:48:55preglowsomewhat, yes
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15:49:18coobpreglow: having a slight problem with sotring registers at an address in the data section
15:49:19jsMikeSMikachu: It's a good afternoon project after figuring out the source.
15:49:44preglowcoob: what kind of problem?
15:50:29coobpreglow: gcc won't assemble this:
15:50:42coobproblem lines: 314, 705, 1036
15:50:50coobinternal relocation not fixed up
15:51:08coobi don't know arm asm so i'm probably doing something horribly wrong
15:51:13coobdata section is at the bottom
15:51:21preglow line 314 is a comment...
15:51:36coob312 sorry
15:52:10jsMikeSIt appears to draw 144x112 on the x5
15:52:25preglowarm asm can't do stores to literal addresses
15:52:37linuxstb_jsMikeS: Yes, it just skips every other row/column.
15:52:45preglowso that line would depend on gas doing a pc relative translation for you
15:52:57preglowwhich i don't really know if it does
15:53:05jsMikeSA 2:1 is just 50% blending...easy
15:53:23jsMikeSBut I won't go that easy
15:53:29coobhow would I store the stack pointer somewhere in writeable memory?
15:53:31preglowdo ldr regsomething, =_HD_ARM_LowerBlit_ScaleBlend_StoreSP
15:53:37preglowthen str sp, [regsomething]
15:54:59preglowand see if that nags
15:55:03preglowit shouldn't
15:55:10JdGordonMikachu: i tinhk ive fixed the paged scrolling off-by-one bug
15:55:15coobjust to find a spare register :)
15:55:33MikachujsMikeS: if you do 50% blending all the colors will get darker because most of the screen is black, i tried it
15:56:19Mikachuwhat i have is the max value of the four pixels, it is pretty ugly but at least all the lines are there :)
15:56:22MikachuJdGordon: nice
15:56:32JdGordoncan u test it to make sure?
15:56:44JdGordonpatch or compule?
15:56:57preglowthere probably is a way to translate a label to a pc relative address, but i don't know how to do so
15:57:00*preglow prods amiconn
15:57:33coobi'm just trying to get this running on normal arm linux
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15:57:42coobas opposed to no memory protection uclinux
15:57:51cooboriginal stored the values in teh text section
15:58:04cooband i've not got a bloody clue about arm asm :)
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16:00:03MikachuJdGordon: not loading..
16:00:54JdGordondcc no worky
16:01:00JdGordonand i cbf with fs :p
16:03:48MikachuJdGordon: works for me too
16:04:05*Mikachu tries nonpaginated too
16:04:49Mikachualso works
16:07:08JdGordonalrighty.. just make sure that went smoolty and i can goto bed :p
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16:14:24JdGordonyay, green table.. bed time, cyaz
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16:16:12sharpeWhy post two threads on the same topic within 34 seconds to two different forums...
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16:25:19ShadowdogMUAnyone here?
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16:32:47ShadowdogMUIt's not fair
16:33:06ShadowdogMUDo you know what files I need to backup to keep all my settings in iTunes, I am reinstalling it
16:33:20sharpeAh. Can't say I do.
16:33:56ShadowdogMUMy iPod actually works correctly, then iTunes has to go all buggy on me
16:34:59sharpewell... Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\Apple Computer\iTunes looks like a pretty safe bet to me.
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16:36:52ShadowdogMUpleasant to know it lost all my library settings
16:36:58ShadowdogMUI have the .itl file backed up though
16:37:03ShadowdogMUhow do I restore that bitch?
16:37:29sharpeI can't really tell you.
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17:03:15ryranHey everyone. RE charging on ipods: Can anyone confirm that rockbox doesn't currently draw as much power over usb [as appleOS], causing longer charging times..? If yes, could a dev give some details so that I could add info about this to the wiki?
17:03:29tucozShadowdogMU, have you read this?
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17:08:12psimasterxhi all
17:09:10bluebrothertucoz, what do you think on the action stuff? I think it could improve the opting heavily.
17:09:32bluebrotherI was just thinking a bit how it should be named. ActionWpsPlay{}?
17:09:36tucozTo add the action to the manual?
17:09:44tucozbutton actions that is
17:09:57tucozor do you think of something else?
17:10:19bluebrotherthe manual it is.
17:10:40bluebrotherI still haven'd had time to dig into rockbox programming enough ;-)
17:11:02tucozyes. I understand that. But do you mean to transfer the action codes to the manual?
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17:12:02bluebrotherThat was my idea. Instead of using opts we could handle most of that stuff in the platform files.
17:12:06tucozYes, I think we should do that. In fact, Febs proposed this some months ago
17:12:29bluebrotherso just say ActionWpsStop and make that the correct ButtonStop.
17:12:32tucozBut then I wanted the manual to mimic the source code as much as possible.
17:12:39tucozyes, I think we should do that
17:12:50tucozecho echo ;)
17:12:56bluebrotherhehe :)
17:13:24linuxstb_ryran: I've heard people say that about the USB charging on the ipods, but have never investigated myself. So I can't add anything concrete. Maybe lostlogic can (I think he did some work on charging), but he's rarely around at the moment.
17:13:40bluebrotherI also was in favor for such an approach but there wasn't something to mimic −− up to now ;-)
17:13:55Febs<tucoz> Yes, I think we should do that. In fact, Febs proposed this some months ago
17:13:55tucozIt should be fairly easy to add this. But we will still have to keep the old maps as well (plugins)
17:13:59Febs^^ I'm ahead of my time.
17:14:17bluebrotherdamn, I hate working with broken code :(
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17:14:35bluebrother(not rockbox)
17:15:07bluebrothersure, we would still need the old Button stuff.
17:15:19tucozIn fact, I think I can start porting the action codes to the platform files now. At least have a look at it.
17:15:34bluebrothermaybe some time the plugins can adopt the action concept.
17:15:48ryranthanks linuxstb_ ..gotcha. methinks I heard it from Paul some time ago on the forums and kept expecting to hear more (I boot into appleos everyday to charge because it's so much faster). was just surprised I couldn't find anything official in the wiki or forums about it.
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17:19:44tucozbluebrother, will you be around for a while?
17:20:19tucozI'll fix one platform file and see what you think
17:20:29bluebrothertucoz, a bit but I don't know exactly how long. But I'll be back online later today.
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17:35:31tucozbluebrother, something like this?
17:35:47tucozthat is from the h1xx.tex file
17:36:50tucozthis might end up as something quite huge and hard to use
17:37:08tucozif we just copy the button codes verbatim from the keymap files
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17:54:10peturif only they would make this with a 60 gig disk in it:
17:55:50HansmaulwurfFinally, the new button action system is here, thanks to Jonathan Gordon. Some button mappings have changed and other things may break. <−−−− Dont know if my bug is related to this, but i cant exit a folder anymore with the "stop" button on my H120 remote
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18:02:47peturSlasheri ?
18:03:06Slasheripetur: hi, just came here :)
18:03:46peturwould you mind if I separated HAVE_EEPROM with another HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS?
18:04:03Slasherihmm, what do you have in mind?
18:04:18peturI want to enable eeprom for h300 but not the ability to store settings there
18:04:29peturjust read/write in debug screen
18:04:37Slasherihmm, interesting
18:04:52Slasherimaybe you could do that also
18:05:06peturmost h300 users will want to keep original os for usbotg and video
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18:05:53peturI've made some small changes to the driver, I should make a patch so you can check on h1x0 that I didn't break it
18:06:06Slasheritrue, but there is no real reason for enabling HAVE_EEPROM unless you are actually going to use it
18:06:23Slasheribut you can do it if you think it's good
18:06:25peturmost important is how the lines are left after using i2c
18:06:44peturI also saw you don't disable irq when doing i2c
18:06:45Slasherithey should be left high / floating high
18:07:10Slasheritrue, that's because it's software i2c and the only single device on the bus
18:07:24peturyes, but the pcf driver sets them to LO and uses INPUT/OUTPUT to switch the line levels
18:07:34barrywardellJdGordon,LinusN: I've made a keymaps file for the H10:
18:07:54peturbut I guess if it works here it will work for you
18:08:07peturand we can always fix if I break it ;)
18:08:09Slasheriplease show the patch so i can check
18:08:30peturjust a sec
18:08:34Slasheribut changing HI to HI_INPUT or something like that sounds good
18:08:44Slasheribecause the line has pull-up resistors
18:10:10peturSlasheri: so I can change the LO/HI to use the same trick as the pcf. Will try that first, it may break the timing....
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18:10:26Slasherihmm, what trick?
18:10:39peturwell using the INPUT setting as HI
18:10:49Slasheriyes, that should work ok
18:11:24Slasherijust change the definition of HI to something like HI_ORIGINAL; INPUT;
18:11:50ShadowdogMUmy iTunes still won't transfer music to my iPod
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18:13:30peturSlasheri: I think I'll rather try to get eeprom working with the pcf i2c driver and not touch your code
18:13:36Slasheripetur: and please try that writing works also and you can get back same data you write on the chip
18:13:52Slasheriunless you test writing, reading might not work correctly and could give incorrect data
18:14:00peturyes... stil got work to do ;)
18:14:03Mikachupreglow: did you add yourself in the middle of slottsparken on purpose on the rockbox people map? :)
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18:18:12peturSlasheri: anyway, pastebin seems to be having issues, I'll work a bit more on it first works quite fine
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18:20:24tucozSlasheri, could you take a look at the mix mode in this document, and see if I got it right.
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18:34:05Slasheritucoz: seems to be almost correct, except buffer size is same than fade out duration
18:34:57Slasherithe end of the fade in will be done outside of the buffer if necessary
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18:47:06tucozSlasheri, ok, so if fade out = 0, no mix will occur?
18:49:08pondlifeSilly question time. If I have a patch that covers multiple files, can I just concatenate the diff files to make a single large patch file?
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18:54:19preglowMikachu: heh
18:54:29preglowMikachu: yeah, but i do live just around there
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18:57:00preglowfour-five blocks away
18:58:08barrywardellpondlife: yes
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18:59:39pondlifeOK, one other question...on an Archos (MASCODEC), does the voice file get loaded resident or not?
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18:59:55pondlifeI've found out the cause of the OGG crashes
19:00:18pondlifeIt's an easy fix, but the number of #ifdefs for SWCODEC/MASCODEC is increasing again
19:01:40pondlifeI think most of it drops out in the wash as long as the voice file can stay resident, but that might use too much buffer on Ondios...?
19:01:45pondlifeamiconn: around?
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19:03:02linuxstb_pondlife: Are you talking about the main voice file which contains all the strings from the menus etc?
19:03:09pondlifeThe big one"!
19:03:23linuxstb_Yes, the 1.5MB one - Archos devices only have 2MB total RAM.
19:03:31pondlifeSo it's not resident ... ok
19:03:38pondlifeHence the #ifdef solution... good
19:03:41linuxstb_No - audio playback is stopped for voice.
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19:04:32bluebrothertucoz, I just looked into your changes. Looks good to me :)
19:05:01pondlifeOK, patch coming up...
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19:13:51pondlifeOK - anyone having problems with OGG or AAC crashes might want to try
19:14:12pondlifeOnly affects voice users.
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19:21:39linuxstb_pondlife: What was the problem? Does it only affect those two codecs, or maybe others?
19:21:55*linuxstb_ reads the patch...
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19:23:24pondlifeMaybe others too
19:23:37linuxstb_pondlife: I'm guessing it affects any codecs using the codec malloc buffer?
19:23:50linuxstb_Which I think is probably all apart from libmad...
19:24:02pondlifeOn SWCODEC the buffer sent to the codec was shifted up by the size of the voice file
19:24:35pondlifePlus there were several assumptions that if voice was not used, then thumbnails would not be used either
19:24:44pondlifeAll adding up to memory fun!
19:25:02linuxstb_Yes, sounds like fun fun fun.
19:25:26pondlifeSo maybe if you (or Slasheri?) could look at FS #5766 and consider it...?
19:25:42pondlifeI haven't changed any behaviour on Archos
19:25:50pondlifeAt least, not intentionally
19:26:03pondlife#ifdef hell is still with us here.
19:26:16pondlifeAlthough I have put some comments in
19:26:47linuxstb_I don't know anything about that code, so I would prefer if someone else could look.
19:27:28pondlifeI know a little, but not a lot... and would also like someone else to double-check. LinusN has been my guardian angel in the past, so maybe he'll see it sometime.
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19:29:01pondlifeLinusN: there's a fix for OGG crashing up...
19:29:15linuxstb_preglow: I have to ask - why have you been frequently attacking malloc for the last few days?
19:29:43preglowlinuxstb_: just me having an encounter with speex a couple of days back and trying to shake the impression off
19:30:20linuxstb_Are the mallocs in the decoder itself, or libOgg (or both)?
19:30:28preglowboth too
19:30:32LinusNpondlife: great
19:30:43*LinusN is busy right now
19:30:49*pondlife feels guilty that his last talk patch broke it (slightly)
19:31:21pondlifeOK when you get a chance -
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19:34:06jaczehacksalaami all
19:35:16Mikachunej tack, jag kr
19:35:43jaczehackingen salaami fr dig d :)
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19:37:19jaczehackI got 18 fps with the elephantsdream-q8-224x176-364kbps.m2v on my ipod video.
19:37:47jaczehackthough I havent tried with the full resolution (since it does not exist :)
19:39:36tucozbluebrother, there is a problem. Some actions are defined differently under different contexts
19:40:13tucozbluebrother, e.g. button_context_settings and button_context_settingsgraphical
19:40:49tucozguess we'll have to give this a thought...
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19:49:15bluebrothertucoz, I don't see a big problem there. It just requires us to have a mapping for each context so we get a load of new commands. When writing it should be possible to know the context we're in
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19:54:32LinusNpondlife: i assume you have verified that your fix does the job?
19:58:18pondlifeI reproed the OGG crash and it fixes that
19:59:21pondlifeI was actually looking to fix another bug - #5570. But this left me with a mystery crash that appears to be from the same source.
19:59:45pondlifeThe patch fixes both problems I believe.
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20:00:46pondlifeOf course, it could always benefit from a second pair of eyes, and some testing on other targets
20:02:08LinusNi just committed it
20:02:22pondlifeOk... let's see what happens then!
20:02:49pondlifeI'll mention on the mailing list that there's a fix in CVS and see if it helps the AAC issue too
20:03:11LinusNpondlife: if rockbox gets unstable, we can just blame the action system :-)
20:03:36finn_blame the users
20:03:50LinusNof course
20:05:15Mikachublame canada
20:05:16pondlifeTime for a feature freeze then ??;-)
20:05:46pondlifeI'm just hoping it builds on all targets - i.e. passes the first stage of testing
20:07:49LinusNi was sure you did that
20:08:03pondlifeHmm, well, H300 sim and device...
20:08:25pondlifeSorry, I don't think it'll fail
20:08:29Mikachuno luck
20:08:31LinusNit did
20:08:45pondlifeFamous last words.
20:09:14pondlifeShall I fix, or are you able to put the #ifdefs in quicker?
20:10:36LinusNi do it
20:10:44pondlifeI don't see why that failed.
20:11:01pondlife audio_set_crossfade(global_settings.crossfade); seems to be used already in several places
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20:12:04LinusNyes, surrounded by #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC
20:12:29pondlifeAh, I didn't look up far enough
20:12:53*pondlife hates #ifdef more than ever
20:13:12pondlifeOr rather #if
20:13:41pondlifeOne day we'll have codec unification and the sims will not be special-cased....
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20:13:56pondlifeSorry about that.
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20:14:42LinusNwell, crossfade will still not be supported by the archos
20:15:46pondlifeOoer that has done something odd to settings_menu.c here...
20:16:08pondlifePatch stuff is in the source
20:16:12pondlifeLet me get again...
20:16:15Mikachuisn't it nicer to make an empty stub than ifdef the call?
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20:17:11LinusNMikachu: perhaps, but i kind of like to have things "in my face"
20:17:51Mikachuwell, the ifdef sections are sometimes very long, so then it is not in your face anyway
20:18:11COmputomanHey guys
20:18:25LinusNyou would still need to have conditional compilation, since you don't want dead code in the binary
20:18:44COmputomanI was installing rockbox, and when i got to the point where i was flashing the bootloader rockboot.bin
20:18:51COmputomanIt said it was too large for the partition
20:19:03pondlifeCan't compiler optimisation spot simple empty routines?
20:19:08COmputomanfor firmware partition
20:19:14LinusNpondlife: no
20:19:26COmputomanIts too large to be a firmware partition
20:19:35LinusNit is possible to do it in conjuntion with the linker
20:19:45LinusNCOmputoman: which device?
20:20:20COmputomanI followed the directions well
20:20:28COmputomanIts just sayind the firmware i made is too large
20:20:30LinusNCOmputoman: i know next to nothing about the ipod, sorry
20:21:02COmputomanIs 123 megs too much for an image?
20:21:10LinusNoh yes
20:21:35LinusNat least i thinkso
20:22:39LinusNhmmm, 123 megs isn't *that* far off
20:22:54pixelmashall the ui with the button actions be similiar to the old one as a start (there are lot of differences on the Ondio)
20:22:55LinusNshould be around 112 megs according to the wiki
20:23:16LinusNpixelma: well, the plan is to make the ui consistent
20:23:32pixelmawith what?
20:24:19LinusNwith itself
20:24:36pixelmaacross the platforms?
20:25:05LinusNmeaning, for example, that the same button should be used to quit a menu in all places etc
20:25:33LinusNall platforms are different
20:26:04LinusNone thing i still can't get used to is that you cancel a setting by leaving it with Left
20:26:17pixelmaI know... but I think I can't get used to "off" being resume now
20:26:31LinusNthat is a plain bug
20:27:41LinusNany more issues with the ondio buttons?
20:27:43Mikachuat least the button defs are easy to find now
20:28:50tucozbluebrother, ah. You are right.
20:29:25LinusNpixelma: what button was used before?
20:29:37pixelmafor example I miss is the file context menu that was "long press right" (same as the play button) on the file it is now "scroll" (maybe it's because of another commit)
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20:30:06LinusNthat's probably because of another commit
20:30:11pixelmaresume was "short press menu" it's now used for another menu
20:30:56pixelmaI meant scroll left/right
20:31:10amiconnGah, lamed committed that "long press is scroll horizontal" stuff
20:31:32amiconnI reminded him several times that this collides with more important stuff on Ondio
20:31:41Mikachuamiconn: it seems to be optional now
20:31:52Mikachuhold_lr_for_scroll_in_list: on
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20:32:24*amiconn still doesn't get the real purpose of this scroll horizontal anyway
20:32:41Mikachucome and borrow my nano
20:32:45Learany action.c experts around? :)
20:32:49amiconnI didn't miss such a feature and never used it even on archos
20:33:13amiconnMikachu: Nano: 176x132. Archos: 112x64. ...
20:33:15pixelma"short press menu" is the main menu now, "long press menu" is the "file context menu" but I meant something different before...
20:33:17Mikachuif you're stupid like me and name files artist - title.ext, it's useful to scroll everything to the first -
20:33:23LearWant to fiddle with the button mappings, but only get unexpected behaviour...
20:33:53LinusNLear: :-)
20:34:22LinusNamiconn: you can't mean that you don't get the purpose of it?
20:34:42amiconnLinusN: I know what it does, but I can't get why someone could need it
20:34:57LearMore specifically, I want to redefine left/right in a "subcontext", but only get the standard context behaviour.
20:35:22LinusNamiconn: if you have very long file names, like <artist>-<album>-<trackname>
20:35:41amiconnI never have artist - album - track
20:35:48Mikachutherefore no one does?
20:36:14amiconnIf I sometimes get such files from elsewhere, then I immediately rename 'em
20:36:23LinusNamiconn: so that means that nobody else has files like that?
20:36:43amiconnLong filenames are always cumbersome, not only on an mp3 player
20:36:48Mikachualso, i have a dir with game remixes, many are made by the same artist but there are many artists in that dir
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20:37:13LinusNamiconn: i agree that long file names are a nuisance, and that's why there is a scrolling feature
20:37:14amiconnPerhaps it's because of my relatively strict sortin gscheme
20:37:40amiconn(1) Complete albums get their own subdir, so I never have the album part in the filename
20:37:49LinusNwe could remove quite a few features if we force the user into certain habits
20:38:07linuxstbWhat do we want? a) Rockbox adapts to users; b) Users adapt to Rockbox...
20:38:12LinusNin fact, that's what itunes does, and why so many people dislike it
20:38:14amiconn(2) Single-artist albums only use trackno. trackname
20:38:51amiconnMaybe. But I still consider the file context menu a more important feature than horizontal scrolling
20:38:53Febsc) combination of both, depending on the circumstances.
20:39:00LinusNamiconn: i agree with that
20:39:10amiconnAnd horizontal scrolling _was_ possible before the change in question
20:39:23FebsIf Rockbox always adapted to users, Left in the file browser would go to the WPS. (as one example).
20:39:26Mikachufor me the option was off by default, i had to enable it
20:39:32LinusNi think a coder with an ondio should correct this
20:39:39pixelmaok, I meant the "file context menu" with the "long press right" that's now "long mode" so it's just on another button...
20:40:08*amiconn expects similar mixup on player and sighs
20:40:33LinusNsounds likely
20:40:36*amiconn wonders what the simulators are for
20:40:36pixelma...but IMO it was easier before to use it for inserting a file to your playlist because you only had to use one button to do so
20:40:57amiconn- hmpf -
20:41:32LinusNi thought the keymaps were supposed to be as close as possible to what they were before the action system
20:41:40pondlifeThey should be identical
20:41:46pondlifeThen changes can be added afterwards
20:42:04pondlifeNot an excuse to start again...
20:42:06pixelmathat's why my question in the beginning ;)
20:42:07linuxstbCOmputoman: I read your problem in the logs - have you figured it out yet?
20:42:07LinusNbut poor jdgordon got very little response from ondio coders when he wrote the patch
20:42:24linuxstbAre there any Ondio coders apart from amiconn?
20:42:31BagderI doubt that
20:42:33LinusNi don't think so
20:42:38Bagderit hardly ever was
20:42:45LinusNjrg i think
20:42:57Bagderyes, Jrg was
20:42:58amiconnThere were a few
20:43:11linuxstbBut sadly none still around?
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20:45:08Mikachuhm, jonathan corbet is on the rockbox map, isn't he the lwn editor guy?
20:45:30FebsTwo volume bugs (tested on iPod video): (1) scroll forward moves from +6dB to -58dB (the opposite direction that it should go).
20:45:53linuxstbFebs: In which screen?
20:45:58Febs(2) At -58dB, scroll forward wraps back to the top of list (+6db)
20:46:04FebsSound settings −−> Volume
20:46:16Mikachudidn't it wrap with the old widget too?
20:46:21Mikachui know other settings did anyway
20:46:44linuxstbI don't think so - going from -58dB to +6db in one step isn't nice....
20:46:51FebsActually, I just realized I made a patch or two to my build. Let me update with a clean build and reconfirm.
20:47:15LinusNyou definitely do not waht the volume setting to wrap
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20:47:26Mikachuno i'm not saying it should of course
20:47:46Mikachu , ,
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20:48:14linuxstbMikachu: Yes, I've just tested an old build on my ipod, and the volume doesn't wrap.
20:48:51COmputomanI got rockbox installed
20:49:07COmputomanI cant see any music though
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20:49:25COmputomancause its all in the ipod style directorys
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20:49:28sharpeYeah, most people can't when they first install Rockbox.
20:49:31linuxstbCOmputoman: :) Try the FAQ:
20:49:47LearAh, know part reason for my problems. Looked at the wrong table. :)
20:50:25LinusNamiconn: you called for me?
20:50:30amiconnThe player mappings are totally off! :-((
20:51:13amiconnVolume _never_ was Menu + Play/Stop
20:52:05linuxstbfatherfork: ASCII please.
20:52:17amiconn...and seek will always cause a skip before
20:52:39*amiconn hands the Major Badness Award to JoeBorn
20:52:49LinusNthat was unfair ;-)
20:52:51amiconnOoooops, JdGordon of course
20:53:08amiconnWhy isn't he around??
20:53:14pondlifeIs Major Badness the highest honour??
20:53:16Bagderhe's an aussie
20:53:25Bagderpretty odd time right now for him
20:53:25pixelmait's night there?
20:53:28LinusNi guess it's because he has other things to do
20:53:42linuxstb5am in Sydney...
20:53:46COmputomanHey when you load one of these plugins how do you exit?
20:54:07linuxstbCOmputoman: Either MENU by itself, or SELECT+MENU.
20:55:45LinusNamiconn: you can blame me for committing the action stuff before it was 100% tested on all platforms
20:56:12LinusNbut it would never have been tested before committing, since so few people showed interest in it
20:56:51LinusNso i decided it was best to commit it and the deal with the issues
20:58:56LinusNto be honest, i wasn't aware that the button mappings for the archos targets were that bad
20:59:26LinusNi thought he tried to mimic the old behaviour as close as possible
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21:00:52preglowwell, now player users have good reason to report to the forums!
21:01:01Bagderboth of them!
21:01:16peturwas that a test to see how many usres we have?
21:01:24preglowbugs will happen with commits this profound
21:01:25peturusers even
21:01:29preglowno reason to explode
21:01:35LinusNno, it's a test to see how many users we can lose in just one day
21:01:48sharpewell, that'll be easy.
21:01:56LinusNpreglow: i agree, it's not the end of the world
21:02:20linuxstbWell, nothing Rockbox does could cause the end of the world... (I hope)
21:02:27LinusNthat patch would have been a nightmare to maintain
21:02:29*petur discovers the irc nicklist includes time zone
21:02:29preglowi do have plans for a doomsday device
21:02:52fatherforkI don't know, pretty soon we won't be able to take our mp3 players on airplanes
21:03:03preglowwhat was the primary motivation for the action patch anyway? wasn't it proper remote support?
21:03:04LinusNso we should all try our best to correct the keymaps as soon as possible
21:03:55preglowwell, it looks all good
21:04:10LinusNyes, as soon as we fix the initial quirks
21:04:57*LinusN is afk
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21:05:18LearGah, seems like a new context is needed for what I want to do... :/
21:05:51COmputomanIs there anyway to browse your music from rockbox without having retransfer it all
21:06:13BagderCOmputoman: yeps, try 'tagcache' in the manual
21:06:22*ShadowdogMU now has music on his iPod
21:06:32ShadowdogMUno Rockbox yet... it just started working, I am not going to do anything to ruin it
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21:07:08FebsWith respect to bug on the Sound Settings −−> Volume menu, the volume will not wrap during a continuous scroll. However, if the scroll is stopped and restarted while the selector is on -58dB, it will wrap to +6dB.
21:07:26sharpeFebs: I discovered that a little while ago...
21:09:44linuxstbFebs: That's intended behaviour for wrapping with the wheel. But we all agree - the volume should never wrap.
21:10:37sharpeI wholeheartedly agree.
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21:11:27BagderI agree that we agree
21:11:51peturI hate wrapping for most settings
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21:12:16sharpeAhey, we could have another option for menu wrappings...
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21:15:02pixelmaMikachu: where can I find the setting to switch horizontal scrolling off?
21:16:03linuxstbpetur: I don't think any of the integer settings wrapped in the past...
21:17:00COmputomanHey once you enable tagcache, how do you view your music that is in the apples hidden directories?
21:17:07*linuxstb wonders what apps/options.h is doing there...
21:18:13*amiconn wonders where all the remote button mappings are gone...
21:18:48*sharpe wonders why he discovered the volume setting wraps around while listening to music...
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21:19:41linuxstbCOmputoman: Whilst in the file browser, hold MENU down until the "quick screen" appears. Then press PLAY until that option changes to "ID3 Database", then press MENU again.
21:20:47COmputomanthank you linuxstb
21:21:18*petur wonders is sharpe still hears something
21:21:35*sharpe just has a dull headache now.
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21:22:22COmputomanSo Its pretty easy to edit the interface huh?
21:22:39LearHm.. Using the list widget for settings had some bad side effects...
21:22:39COmputomanIs it possible to add a new background?
21:22:53BagderCOmputoman: yes
21:23:06COmputomanWhich bitmap should i edit?
21:23:14Bagderyou should read manual
21:23:25Bagderyou don't need to edit code at all
21:23:35lowlightLooks like the "Show ID3 Info" screen is broken...first "action" exits it.
21:23:55amiconnMany may things are broken
21:23:58*amiconn is annoyed
21:24:16peturCOmputoman: copy a bmp file of the right dimensions into /.rockbox/backdrops and browse to it, long-click and select 'set as backdrop'
21:25:01linuxstbLear: What other problems are there apart from the wrapping?
21:25:37LearCan't exit a setting screen with left, like you could before.
21:26:24linuxstbI blame the action patch for that...
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21:27:25LinusNthat's one thing that i don't really like with the new button scheme
21:27:40*petur just wrote and read back a byte into his h300 eeprom
21:27:46preglowand that's not fixable?
21:27:51Bagderpetur: nice!
21:28:03LinusNbut many others, including linuxstb, thought it was the preferred behaviour
21:28:04sharpepetur: now can you do words? :)
21:28:25Bagdersharpe: c'mon that must be twice as hard, don't press him ;-)
21:28:32LinusNhmmm, my bad
21:28:47*petur is thinking of making the eeprom driver use the pcf driver on h300
21:29:06amiconnLinusN: It almost looks like JdGordon just invented new mappings for archos instead of checking the old code and definitions
21:29:15LinusNthat behaviour was introduced by the new-style settings screen
21:29:25LinusNamiconn: that sucks
21:29:27amiconnNow I have to do this, tedious stuff...
21:29:40LinusNamiconn: want me to do the player
21:29:41amiconnAnd the remotes aren't defined for anything except irivers
21:29:53preglowyou don't really have to no
21:30:09preglowi bet jdgordon will once he gets back
21:30:23LinusNjdgordon doesn't have any archos devices
21:30:26amiconnUnfortunately I can't test with the archos remote now. Batteries are dead, and I wasn't able to get those CR1616 thingies yet
21:30:29preglowcan't he just read the old code?
21:30:40LinusNyes, he should have
21:30:41preglowoh well
21:30:46pixelmaor the manual?
21:31:09amiconnLinusN, preglow: (1) There is the old code. (2) There's the manuals. (3) There are the simulators...
21:31:20dpassen2Anyone know if support for the H300 Joystick remote was added with the Button Action?
21:31:34LinusNdpassen: yes
21:32:20dpassen2LinusN: Thanks for the good news.
21:33:00preglowi guess jdgordon won't get a christmas present from amiconn, then
21:33:34Bagderwell, you can also say that not that many archos users provided any feedback to him
21:33:35LinusNoh yes: 1 player, 1 ondio and 1 recorder :-)
21:33:45amiconnLinusN: Do we need remote contexts for units without an lcd remote? Or could we just put the remote buttons in the appropriate standard context?
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21:34:43LinusNamiconn: i don't think you need remote contexts for the archos, no
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21:35:12LinusNit's a shame that so few cared about the action work until it was committed
21:35:31preglowwe wouldn't see this much fun if they did!
21:35:50LinusNand i agree that it was really bad that he didn't put more effort in the archos maps
21:35:50*preglow grabs a beer
21:36:14*petur doesn't
21:36:22sharpewho comitted the action things?
21:36:25LinusNi did
21:36:37sharpewho wrote the action things?
21:36:53hotwire_anybody free who can help me with compiling a UISim in cygwin?
21:37:04FebsLinusN: when was the new style settings UI introduced?
21:37:08sharpehotwire_: what problems are you having?
21:37:12LinusNsharpe: jdgordon
21:37:22LinusNFebs: today
21:37:35sharpeAh. Okay. I had just been wondering.
21:37:36amiconnMore hmpf (not target specific):
21:38:03amiconnSome actions in the debug menu are now blocking while they weren't blocking before
21:38:25webguest50Slightly offtopic - can I d/l a non-latest bleeding edge build?
21:38:45hotwire_i do the ../tools/configure and answer all the questions... then i do make, and it says no targets specified and no makefile specified.
21:39:01hotwire_although it claims the archos subdir was created.
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21:39:03linuxstbwebguest50: Only one bleeding edge build a day is archived - the daily builds.
21:39:06hotwire_as was the makefile
21:39:27hotwire_but build-dir is still empty
21:39:54Bagderhotwire_: what OS do you have? What target do you build a sim for?
21:39:56peturto make the eeprom driver use some low level code from the pcf driver, is it ok to expose those low level calls in the header file (with a comment of course)?
21:39:56sharpeyou're sure you chose the simulator option with ../tools/configure?
21:40:01LinusNhotwire_: in which directory did you call ../tools/configure?
21:40:08LearLinusN: Isn't playback.c for swcodec only? :)
21:40:26hotwire_i called it from build-dir. WinXP OS, trying to build for Toshiba Gigabeat F
21:40:51webguest50thanks linuxstb - I'll take that as a no, then
21:41:04LearThe id3info screen problem should be easy to fix...
21:41:08hotwire_yes, i chose simulator...
21:41:15LinusNLear: yes i think so, why?
21:41:28Bagderhotwire_: and what exactly does it say when you invoke 'make' ?
21:41:31linuxstbwebguest50: Your alternative is to get the relevant version of the source code from CVS and compile yourself.
21:41:59LinusNLear: ah, you mean #if CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC?
21:42:07LearLinusN: Yes.
21:42:16LinusNask pondlife
21:42:19Bagderthe gigabeat sim build is broken
21:42:27Bagderthe action stuff
21:42:28webguest50linuxstb: Yeah, I don't have the time or facilities for that. I was just hoping to grap a copy of the build immediately prior to the button code changes
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21:42:55linuxstbwebguest50: The latest daily build is the closest you'll get then.
21:43:17hotwire_when i call configure, after i answer all questions: "Selected sdl simultor; cygwin host detected; enabled pcm sound playback in simulator; simulator enviroment deemed little endian; subdirectory archos aleady present; using gcc 3.4.4 (304); created makefile
21:43:39hotwire_make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found
21:43:45webguest50linuxstb: Thanks v. much for your help, much quicker than me making an annoying forum post :)
21:43:52Bagderhotwire_: isn't there a 'Makefile' in that dir by then?
21:44:09sharpehotwire_: Hammer Time.
21:44:16Bagder"created makefile" ?
21:44:22Bagderit should say "created Makefile"
21:44:23hotwire_dir - nothing. Although it claimes it created a makefile
21:44:34Bagderwith an uppercase M
21:44:41hotwire_yes, with uppercase
21:45:08preglowsharpe: ahahahhahaha
21:45:20Bagderthen I guess there's something that prevents configure from being able to create files in that build directory
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21:45:35Bagderhotwire_: it should also be a file called created makefile
21:45:39sharpepreglow: :D
21:45:41Bagdercalled autoconf.h
21:45:42ithinkyourecrazydoes it really play videos on nano? what format?
21:45:47LinusNBagder: Makefile :-)
21:45:57Bagderbad paste there
21:45:58sharpeithinkyourecrazy: yes, it really does.
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21:46:13sharpempeg2 video, with the extension '.m2v'.
21:46:22linuxstbSome example files are here:
21:46:31sharpeAnd i'm just guessing by it, you mean "Rockbox."
21:46:41ithinkyourecrazyi have bought music videos at iTunes will those work on my nano?
21:47:25preglowblame apple!
21:47:36ithinkyourecrazythere's no way to play them?
21:47:45preglowwhich target does 176x96 ?
21:47:53linuxstbpreglow: None...
21:47:56preglowithinkyourecrazy: well, they're protected by apple's proprietary drm scheme
21:48:07preglowithinkyourecrazy: we can't support them without very probably getting sued
21:48:12sharpeThere's not a 320x240. Aww.
21:48:15bluebrotheroh, the pitch screen buttons are broken (h120)
21:48:27ithinkyourecrazythat blows
21:48:27preglowlinuxstb: it's just a low-res general thing?
21:48:47ithinkyourecrazyanyway, thanks for the info.
21:48:54preglowyou're welcome
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21:49:28linuxstbpreglow: I think I went a little crazy last night with those encodings... I've no idea why I encoded 176 pixel wide files.
21:49:43sharpelinuxstb: the more the merrier?
21:49:54linuxstbWhat's the Nano's dimensions?
21:50:04hotwire_Badger: found the problem it seems. My home directory waas my full name, in two words. As soon as I cut it down to one, ti worked ithink
21:50:05linuxstbIsn't that 176x132?
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21:50:13ithinkyourecrazyhey, i'm back
21:50:27Bagderhotwire_: aaaah, yes it doesn't like spaces in the path
21:50:30linuxstbAh, then yes, those are Nano resolution files. 176x128 for 4:3 (multiples of 16), and 176x96 for 16:9 ratio.
21:50:31Bagdergood catch
21:50:37bluebrotheroh, when in the quick screen the charging animation stops. I guess this is not intended, is it?
21:50:38BagderI should add some detect for that
21:50:41preglowlinuxstb: ahh, right, it's widescreen, isn't it
21:51:07hotwire_I'll throw that note into the UISim compile page on the wiki then
21:51:16preglowis the 4:3 one cropped or stretched?
21:51:28Bagderhotwire_: please do
21:51:28linuxstbCropped. I just took the centre of the image.
21:51:47hotwire_should i also do it in the Cygwin install page on the wiki?
21:52:01ithinkyourecrazywhat's a free program that allows one to edit/delete audio vocals and keep the instrumental et al?
21:52:21amiconnLinusN: The action code Does |CONTEXT_REMOTE when it sees a button code with one of the BUTOON_REMOTE bits set
21:52:34LinusNah, yes
21:52:39LinusNforgot about that
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21:53:18amiconnOf course get_context_mapping() in the keymap code could mask out the CONTEXT_REMOTE bit
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21:53:45amiconnPro: Only one list of actions for both remote & main. Con: The whole list is checked for either keypad
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21:54:55LinusNamiconn: i'm working on the player mappings
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21:56:01hotwire_done and done
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21:57:19markunhotwire_: also, BUTTON_REC doesn't exist on our gigabeat of course
21:57:28markunWho's Ribs?
21:57:35COmputomanI was reading how to add a wallpaper to the now playing screen and i had a question
21:57:42COmputomaner the manual
21:58:05COmputomanI added %x|background.bmp| to my wps file
21:58:17COmputomanand am i suposed to drop that file in backdrops?
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21:58:20COmputomanor in boxes
21:58:26COmputomanOr am i doing it all wrong?
21:58:35linuxstbIt needs to be a capital X.
21:59:34COmputomanWhere does the file go?
21:59:41linuxstbAnd I think that file goes in a folder with the same name as your WPS, in the same folder as your .wps file. So you have the file wps/coputoman.wps and the bitmap wps/coputoman/background.bmp
22:00:40COmputomanIll try that out
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22:03:22Mikachupixelma: apparently it's not wired into the menu yet, you'll have to edit a .cfg
22:03:33COmputomanthanks LinusN
22:04:01pixelmaMikachu: thanks... but :/
22:04:14*amiconn wonders where the folder skip went
22:04:45amiconnNot that I liked that feature, but it silently went away...
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22:07:21amiconnAh, no, it didn't go completely, but the option to skip dirs with short-long is gone
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22:07:55amiconnSO it's effectively gone on all targets which don't have a separate combo for dir skip
22:08:00LinusNamiconn: another thing we shold fix then...
22:08:16amiconnThe action code neither handles short-long nor double clicks
22:08:30amiconnFortunately (in this case) the FM screen is not yet converted
22:08:49Mikachuthere are double clicks?
22:09:07amiconnYes, recording-from-fm is a double click on Ondio
22:09:22COmputomanIs there a way to make the font on my wps screen bigger and bolder without adding any font files?
22:09:27amiconnThis is to protect against accidental recordings
22:09:29COmputomanI dont want a fancy cont
22:09:36COmputomaner font
22:09:42COmputomanI just want to be able to see it
22:09:47COmputomanthe text is so small
22:10:00preglowlinuxstb: frame rate control in the mpeg player far off? :>
22:10:20Mikachuyou can play faster than realtime?
22:10:29linuxstbIf you have a small enough file...
22:10:44peturCOmputoman: no, just select/install another font
22:10:45amiconnI can't figure out how I could solve the context menu <-> main menu clash in wps on Ondio with the action code :(
22:10:56LinusNamiconn: ouch
22:10:58linuxstbpreglow: Yes, I'm looking forward to displaying 30000/10001 frames per second...
22:11:08linuxstb(I mean 30000/1001)
22:12:03preglowthe 176x96 is already faster than realtiem
22:12:23amiconnLinusN: Calling the main menu from wps on Ondio was special: There was no mapping for it, long Mode which normally calls the main menu called the wps context menu instead. Then you could call the main menu by pressing short Mode from within the wps context menu...
22:13:03Mikachuthat explains why menu doesn't exit the context menu on ipods
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22:13:39COmputomanis it possible to add a wallpaper to the file browsing screen?
22:13:44COmputomanor just the wps
22:13:53Mikachui was confused earlier today why pressing Menu in the context menu went to the main menu instead of exiting the context menu
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22:14:26peturCOmputoman: both, look for 'backdrop'
22:15:05peturCOmputoman: I repeat myself: copy a bmp file of the right dimensions into /.rockbox/backdrops and browse to it, long-click and select 'set as backdrop'
22:15:15peturor rtfm
22:15:15amiconnMaybe I am slightly off on that, so far it's all theory & code
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22:17:40lowlightOn an h140, should joystick left in root directory stop playback?
22:19:37FebsNo, it should have no effect.
22:20:31pixelmahmm.. lamed comitted the l/r scroll thing on the 12th - I didn't realised it until I tried the a "button action build" today...
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22:21:22hotwire_okay, another cygwin glitch... any easy way to force change the default username? It decides to recreate the old one with the space when i restart
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22:22:18lowlightWell, I hit left one too many times when I was browsing and playback stopped.
22:22:58preglowwhat you should be looking forward to is syncing audio and video
22:23:04preglowto linuxstb
22:23:25LinusNlowlight: which platform?
22:23:48LinusNah, h140
22:25:50FebsLinusN: same behavior on iPod video.
22:26:23LinusNhmmm, there is some strange code in tree.c that does this, but it wasn't added by jdgordon
22:26:55*amiconn suspects the quickscreen will work _very_ different from how it used to work on recorder :(
22:27:02LinusNit seems as some targets had this behaviour
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22:28:36LinusNno, this was done by jfgordon...
22:29:13amiconnbooooo, +1380 bytes on ondio!
22:29:55preglownew settings system really looks weird when you're dealing with large ranges of integers...
22:30:10amiconnpreglow: Stereo Width, Balance?
22:30:22preglowand those, i guess
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22:32:55amiconnGrr, and the action tables aren't const!
22:33:21amiconnGreetingz to thoze wazterz of RAM! :(
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22:33:54lowlightThe settings should have an icon indicating the currently selected option.
22:34:03Mikachuamiconn: does setting them to const reduce ram usage?
22:34:12preglowthen there's no copy
22:34:15amiconnIt does when rockbox is flashed
22:34:35preglowright, they're global anyway
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22:35:57preglowanyway, jdgordon has been open for suggestions for a long time now
22:36:04preglowit's been clear this patch was meant for rockbox a long time
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22:48:13pondlifeLinusN: As a break from keymapping fun... I didn't know that playback.c was SWCODEC only. I put the #if in there to be safe, but if you have time, you can remove it and simplify that routine
22:49:18amiconnconst'ing the keymaps on Ondio reclaims 560 bytes of ram
22:49:26amiconnWill be more on recorders
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22:50:10RedNfireHello rockboxcommunity!
22:50:26markunhi RedNfire
22:51:36RedNfireI still don't own an mp3 player, but I'm currently deciding which one to buy
22:51:54preglowany arm people here who can tell me how "swp r0, r0, [r10]" will behave?
22:52:17RedNfiredoes somebody own a Archos Gmini 402? I have some very specific questions about it and rockbox.
22:52:19amiconnLinusN: I guess it won't be a good idea for me to const all th ekeymap-*.c files now as you're working on the player mapping?
22:52:35amiconnBut if I don't, committing my adjustments will fire some warnings
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22:52:56RedNfireYou know, it has a TV-out. Is it possible to use this with rockbox? Like playing Doom or Game Boy on the TV?
22:53:31Mikachuwas the gmini port ever even finished?
22:53:45markunRedNfire: check out
22:54:03amiconnMikachu: Nope, and the gimi port only was for gmini 120 and gmini sp
22:54:40RedNfirei thought it works on all archos models
22:54:47RedNfirehm, too bad
22:54:51markunRedNfire: they have Doom, NES and Sega emulators
22:55:01markunfor the gmini 402
22:55:18markunwith tv-out
22:55:25RedNfireoh, nice.
22:55:46RedNfirehmm, so there are games, but no rockbox?
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22:57:20amiconnThis 'Left in root stops playback' is major annoying...
22:57:49RedNfireHow good is the OS that comes with the player? Compared to rockbox?
22:58:36BagderRedNfire: the os for gmini400?
22:58:40markunRedNfire: better ask in #archopen
22:58:52BagderI doubt many people here ever tried it
23:00:02pondlifeOn H300, stop in tree now does the same as left - i.e. up a level. It should stop playback, shouldn't it?
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23:00:32amiconnThe mappings are a 'little' weird today
23:00:37amiconn:evil laughter:
23:00:51preglowdoes them good to freak out once in a while
23:01:04pondlifeI was just pointing it out, no one had mentioned this one yet.
23:01:38peturthank god he didn't touch the recording screen
23:02:10pondlifeStill, we now have a starting point for fixing it.
23:02:51lowlightDo people prefer the new "show dir path" display as-is or can I rework it to how I originally designed it:
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23:10:52Paul_The_Nerdlowlight: I personally like that screenshot quite a bit.
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23:18:36Mikachucall me crazy but i don't see a screenshot
23:18:51nudelynyou have to be logged in to get screenshots i think
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23:19:08alberinkyeah, just found out about that too...
23:19:19crwlstupid forum softwares that don't allow settings customization without actually making an account and logging in
23:19:33nudelynit's confusing as there isn't any indication that there woudl be an image there if you logged in, so the threads just look stupid
23:20:03nudelynthe oblivion forums are the same
23:21:10lowlightdoes the direct link work?;topic=2876.0;attach=513;image
23:21:32MikachuIt seems that you are not allowed to download or view attachments on this board.
23:22:14Bagderthat's because you are evil and it protects the users against people like you!
23:23:26Paul_The_NerdWell it does seem a good way to keep bandwidth costs a wee bit lower.
23:24:23Paul_The_NerdI mean, it's rather simple to enable guest viewing of attachments, but it was disabled when I got here.
23:25:27amiconn22:52 ...
23:25:32LinusNsaw that now
23:25:41LinusNi'll commit the player mappings now
23:26:02LinusNi'll also restore the weird stop-in-root behaviour in tree.c
23:26:14amiconn..have almost working Ondio mappings here
23:26:22amiconnThe bookmarks didn't work at all...
23:26:32amiconn(except leaving the screen)
23:26:58amiconnThe bookmark screen is one thing where I actually changed an Ondio button mapping from before
23:27:10amiconnThe old mapping was dangerous...
23:27:18preglownudelyn: any news about nano green theme? :>
23:27:35amiconnBefore, short Right was select bookmark, and long Right was delete bookmark...
23:28:08amiconn...without proper _PRE checking, i.e. holding Right eventually deleted all bookmarks in a .bmark file...
23:28:19LinusNamiconn: ouch :-)
23:28:43amiconnNow I changed delete to long Left, and the action code ensures the _pre thing
23:28:46*petur screws up the contents of his eeprom ;)
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23:33:56preglowi need more regs
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23:34:23BagderI can buy a few from me
23:34:27preglowyou can?
23:34:32preglowcan i watch?
23:34:35Bagdergee I'm crappy
23:34:38Bagdercan't even type
23:34:45webguest42Does anyone have rockbox on their ipod nano and tell me a bit about it?
23:34:51*Bagder walks back to his blinking leds and sobs
23:35:12preglowi'm _almost_ considering adding some scratch space to save the sp to so i can use that too...
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23:35:42Learpreglow: what are you up to now? :)
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23:36:05preglowLear: crossfeed in arm assembler
23:36:05webguest47lol hi guys!
23:36:14preglowroflmao hi!
23:36:27RedNfirezomg hi!!
23:36:34amiconnHmm, something is wrong in the action code....
23:36:36LinusNgrmj hi!
23:36:36Infectoroh noes
23:36:50webguest47can i install rock box on a nano?
23:36:58webguest47lol u gay
23:36:59amiconnIt doesn't seem to check the pre stuff (??)
23:37:19LinusNamiconn: it is supposed to
23:37:28Bagderbtw, would anyone say automatically enabling ccache (if found in path) in configure being a bad idea?
23:37:34LinusNhowever, it treats BUTTON_NONE as "don't care"
23:37:37InfectorSomeone tell me a bit about the pros to installing rockbox onto a nano
23:37:56webguest47does any one here use debian
23:37:57amiconnThen why does holding a button continuously fire multiple events of the same type, if that event is defined as having a precondition?
23:38:09markunLinusN: global volume buttons (on the gigabeat for example) should be possible now with actions, right?
23:38:32webguest47can rockbox be installed on a gigabeat?
23:38:38LinusNmarkun: not automagically
23:38:38markunwebguest47: not yet
23:38:48LinusNamiconn: which case?
23:38:49markunwebguest47: come to #gigabeat
23:38:59Noah0504Has anything interesting been added to the iPod Video build since the freeze was lifted?
23:39:15FebsNoah0504: Yes.
23:39:23amiconn..and holding Left deleted all the bookmarks in a .bmark ...
23:39:23Noah0504Febs, Care to share?
23:39:33LinusNamiconn: i think it's this:
23:39:38LinusN /* Special case to make the keymaps smaller */
23:39:38LinusN if(button & BUTTON_REPEAT)
23:39:38LinusN last_button &= ~BUTTON_REPEAT;
23:39:44webguest47markun: are you in nz?
23:39:58markunwebguest47: no, netherlands
23:40:06amiconnLinusN: uh?
23:40:08webguest47oh ok
23:40:17amiconnWhy would that make the keymaps smaller?
23:40:32webguest47does any one here use debian
23:40:36FebsNoah0504: everything listed after July 18 here:
23:40:41LinusNbecause then you don't need another entry with REPEAT in the pre condition
23:40:46amiconnThose events that really should fire multiple times should just not have a precondition
23:40:57Noah0504Febs: Thanks.
23:41:06amiconnE.g. for volume up in the wps:
23:41:12webguest47LOL BAN MY IP PLEASE
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23:41:34amiconnWhat would be the problem with that?
23:41:35webguest47pretty please
23:41:35markunwebguest47: what's your problem?
23:41:36preglowlord of space returns
23:41:55LinusNamiconn: i believe ff and rew is the issue
23:42:10Kick(#Rockbox Infector :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
23:42:18webguest47well the daleks are here, trying to take me over. ban my ip so they cant steal the chat OH NOES!
23:42:26Kick(#Rockbox webguest47 :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
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23:42:34LinusNgo bagder go
23:42:39markunmore more!
23:42:40amiconnLinusN: how?
23:42:51preglowme too! me too!
23:42:53amiconnWhat would seek collide with?
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23:43:15Bagderok we need to stop that service for now then
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23:43:51DBUGsent MODE #rockbox -o-b Bagder *!*
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23:44:08Bagderso no web irc atm
23:44:25Bagderas I banned that host
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23:45:21LinusNamiconn: i believe seek collides with next/prev without proper prereqs
23:45:28LinusNbut i might be wrong
23:45:43Mode"#rockbox -b *!* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:45:52Mode"#rockbox -b *!*n=boogy@* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:45:59LinusNi think we could skip the "shortcut" in action.c and add proper prereqs in the maps instead
23:46:06amiconnHow could it? Seek triggers on repeat only, which would kick in way later than a usual prev/next already ended
23:46:38amiconnThere's a special 'seek end' - but that has the |BUTTON_REPEAT as prerequisite
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23:47:09LinusNlet's remove it and see
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23:47:45LinusNJdGordon: morning
23:48:13CtcpIgnored 5 channel CTCP requests in 53 seconds at the last flood
23:48:13*petur wonders if JdGordon read the irc log
23:48:24JdGordoni just woke up dude!!
23:48:43JdGordonill read it in my 2 hour break at uni (starting in about 2 hours)
23:48:51linuxstbJdGordon: If I was you, I would go back to bed...
23:48:56JdGordonhow bad oes it get ?:p
23:49:34*petur tries to hold back amiconn with all his force
23:50:49*amiconn is tempted to bash JdGordon for inventing his own mappings instead of checking the old button definitions / the manual / the simulators
23:50:54LinusNJdGordon: you have won the prestigeous Major Badness Award :-)
23:51:22JdGordonamiconn: i did go by the manuals... i did also ask for input while it was happening
23:52:20amiconnNow let's see whether this shortcut removal thing works
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23:52:43JdGordondid anyone notice if it affected the filesize much?
23:53:13amiconnYes, it increased Ondio binary size by ~1400 bytes
23:53:36amiconnThat's without some fixes which will add a few more bytes (e.g. bookmark button mapping)
23:53:38LinusNJdGordon: for example, the manual says that the WPS volume control is MENU-+/-, but you mapped it as MENU+Play and MENU+Stop
23:53:45LinusN(archos player)
23:54:00***Alert Mode OFF
23:54:08MikachuBagder: i think the part before @ is ip dependant so you can ban just that?
23:54:32Bagderit is? well that sounds nice
23:54:36BagderI'll try that next time
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23:55:37amiconnIt's the ip in hexadecimal form
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23:56:01LinusNJdGordon: can you explain the changes you did in tree.c for ACTION_STD_CANCEL?
23:56:29Mikachuso he was then
23:57:03JdGordonthe one you reverted? it was odd... i could have sworn stop allows you to go back up a level... (i hadnt been using a regular build for a while)
23:57:40LinusNmy guess is that it is a remnant from when you had the same action for STOP and EXIT
23:57:48amiconnIt stopped playback when pressing Left in the root... very annoying
23:58:47JdGordonLinusN: ye, probably

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