| 00:00:16 | * | petur slaps forehead when he discovers the h300 eeprom sits at another address as the h100 |
| 00:00:32 | amiconn | will do... |
| 00:00:38 | * | sharpe is disappointed in petur. |
| 00:00:55 | petur | unless that's not the eeprom answering :/ |
| 00:01:00 | * | amiconn suspects his lcd_yuv_blit() to be slower than jhMikeS' |
| 00:01:02 | mirak | linuxstb: have you a mpeg1 sample ? |
| 00:01:15 | linuxstb | mirak: No. |
| 00:01:18 | XavierGr | petur: so all this time there is a bug? |
| 00:01:37 | linuxstb | mirak: I think I tried one, but it decoded at a similar speed to MPEG2. |
| 00:01:41 | XavierGr | or you just trying to talk to the chip? |
| 00:02:00 | linuxstb | mirak: But it would definitely be interesting to test some more. |
| 00:02:03 | dan_a | Does anyone know of a better way to create a series of incremental patches than just copying the directory I'm working on at each step? |
| 00:02:38 | petur | XavierGr: no, there's no eeprom driver for h300 yet |
| 00:02:39 | sharpe | dan_a: copy the directory every other step? :) |
| 00:03:02 | amiconn | My suspicion was wrong, or at least covered by the faster lcd writing (half the data and no special unstuffing) |
| 00:03:16 | amiconn | 160x128 plays at ~14.5fps on H340 |
| 00:03:28 | XavierGr | petur: but something is wrong and the chip data get changed right? |
| 00:03:55 | petur | XavierGr: that's the main reason I'm looking into this |
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| 00:04:49 | illogic-al | TeaSea: ogg playback on the Z5 is apparently a workaround. their exists a WMP10 og plugin |
| 00:05:05 | illogic-al | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/03/samsung-ypz5-review.php search the comments for ogg |
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| 00:11:38 | XavierGr | wow |
| 00:11:51 | XavierGr | well 224*176 is running from 6,5-8 fps on H300 |
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| 00:11:59 | XavierGr | though the bitrate is very high! |
| 00:12:23 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm going to try some lower quality settings. |
| 00:12:37 | linuxstb | But they look good IMO... |
| 00:12:50 | XavierGr | yeah they look fantastic |
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| 00:12:57 | XavierGr | but the speed is to low to watch |
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| 00:13:46 | linuxstb | What bitrate are the files used by the OF? |
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| 00:14:02 | dionoea | are the LCD draw routines/speed still the biggest issue on the bigger screens ? |
| 00:14:22 | linuxstb | A little, but I think mainly it's the extra data that needs to be decoded. |
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| 00:16:03 | XavierGr | linuxstb: let me check |
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| 00:16:16 | Goomba | anyone here? |
| 00:16:32 | linuxstb | Goomba: Many people... |
| 00:16:49 | markun | all awaiting your question.. |
| 00:16:59 | Goomba | well, a friend of mine wants rockbox on his ipod. i've only used it on an iriver |
| 00:17:16 | Goomba | does it dual boot the same way, and does it remove any of the drm stuff? |
| 00:17:51 | linuxstb | Yes and No. |
| 00:18:17 | XavierGr | linuxstb: the max bitrate is 500kbps video and 128 kbps audio! |
| 00:18:25 | Goomba | explain? |
| 00:18:36 | linuxstb | XavierGr: OK. I'll try and generate a similar MPEG-2 file. |
| 00:18:45 | sharpe | Goomba: it dual boots with the apple firmware, and does not modify the apple firmware in any way. |
| 00:18:51 | linuxstb | Goomba: You asked two questions, I answered them... |
| 00:18:58 | Goomba | ok, thanks sharpe |
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| 00:19:37 | Goomba | what are the dualboot buttons on ipod? |
| 00:19:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'd keep a uniform quality setting. Maybe q4 would be good? |
| 00:20:52 | sharpe | Goomba: rockbox is the default firmware, while booting, hold menu for the apple firmware, and hold play for ipodlinux. all of this is in the manual... |
| 00:20:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Goomba: It's just one, Menu |
| 00:21:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: I just tried -q5 on my 320x240 file, and that (compared to -q3) brought the bitrate down from 1528kbps to 976kbps. |
| 00:21:33 | amiconn | How does it look? |
| 00:21:53 | linuxstb | Let me just play them together... |
| 00:22:59 | linuxstb | I can't tell the difference. |
| 00:24:25 | S0ap | anything above 1k @ 320x240 is a game of diminishing returns. |
| 00:25:03 | S0ap | below 1k, it quickly becomes a game of motion detection of the encoder. |
| 00:25:06 | S0ap | IMHO |
| 00:25:12 | linuxstb | It probably also depends on the source quality. This is a very high quality source, so I expect we can get better results with low bitrates. |
| 00:25:39 | Goomba | anyone feel like talking me through the install? |
| 00:25:40 | amiconn | The source is digital so no sensor noise |
| 00:25:44 | linuxstb | I'll try a -q6 for 224x176 and see what happens. |
| 00:27:24 | petur2 | Goomba: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 00:27:40 | Mikachu | does mpeg2enc not support 2-pass encoding with a target bitrate? |
| 00:28:08 | linuxstb | I'm not sure - it didn't use to, but I read something about someone implementing it. |
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| 00:28:41 | linuxstb | My version's quite old - I haven't been following the project too closely recently. |
| 00:28:45 | Goomba | whats the chance of bricking the ipod with this? |
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| 00:29:01 | Mikachu | near zero |
| 00:29:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Goomba: Current theory says it's impossible to brick the iPod with this. At the very least, nobody's been able to do it yet. ;) |
| 00:29:16 | linuxstb | So close to zero, you'll be the first person to achieve it. |
| 00:29:35 | Goomba | is it removeable? |
| 00:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 00:29:51 | linuxstb | Goomba: The ipod installation only modifies the firmware on the disk - it doesn't touch the flash. |
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| 00:30:33 | Soap | Yay! I got my old nick back! |
| 00:30:39 | Soap | sorry for the OT. |
| 00:31:30 | petur2 | consider registering it and link it with a backup one |
| 00:31:57 | sharpe | Soap: i remember you talking about that... |
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| 00:32:49 | XavierGr | petur are you deliberately writing with colours? |
| 00:33:07 | petur2 | am I? |
| 00:33:15 | XavierGr | for me yes |
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| 00:33:22 | linuxstb | I haven't seen any colours. |
| 00:33:29 | sharpe | nor have i. |
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| 00:33:34 | * | amiconn is filtering colours |
| 00:33:40 | XavierGr | perhaps my script just got crazy |
| 00:34:11 | p3tur | hmmm just saw my indentify failed |
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| 00:34:40 | petur | identify too |
| 00:38:21 | Soap | petur - oh yes, that is done. |
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| 00:42:41 | ToyKeeper | Soap: Er, you asked about this a while ago... sorry for the delay. http://toykeeper.net/rockbox/themes/ |
| 00:43:16 | linuxstb | -q6 with 224x176 gave me a file at 469kbps, so I guess that will be comparable to the iriver OF files. |
| 00:43:42 | Soap | thank you ToyKeeper. |
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| 00:44:48 | * | petur wonders why all eeprom bytes seem to read stable except 0xF8 and 0xFF |
| 00:47:59 | XavierGr | linuxstb: yes i would like to test that |
| 00:49:03 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Uploading now. |
| 00:52:42 | * | amiconn wonders how video support should work on the (in-dev) portrait-display targets |
| 00:53:00 | linuxstb | I think markun rotated his test video (to test in the Sim!) |
| 00:53:13 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/video-sim.jpg |
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| 00:53:20 | linuxstb | i.e. rotated as part of the encoding process. |
| 00:53:30 | amiconn | If we're going for rotation, lcd_yuv_blit could do that |
| 00:53:50 | petur | pixar! |
| 00:54:50 | ToyKeeper | video? arr? |
| 00:54:56 | * | ToyKeeper digs mencoder |
| 00:55:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Rotation on-target should definitely be an option, I think. |
| 00:56:00 | ToyKeeper | I'd pretend to miss the video playback features from my original X5 firmware, but ... well. The only time I ever used that was to see if it worked. 1.5" screens just aren't so great. :) |
| 00:58:01 | linuxstb | XavierGr: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-224x176-469kbps.zip |
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| 00:59:05 | amiconn | For those who use vmware/vmware player: A new version of both is out, including new vmware tools which are working in conjunction with xorg 7.0 |
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| 01:06:56 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Same file is now on http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ if you want to get it from there. |
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| 01:08:00 | webguest05 | do i need to put my doom wads into \games\doom to tryout doom ? |
| 01:08:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what the instructions say, right? |
| 01:08:47 | webguest05 | some say \doom\ |
| 01:09:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | What ones are those? |
| 01:09:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both the Manual and the PluginDoom page say /games/doom/ |
| 01:10:48 | webguest05 | ddon code redone to search for files in /doom |
| 01:10:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:03 | webguest05 | on rockdoom site |
| 01:11:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | What Rockdoom site? |
| 01:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockdoom is a Rockbox plugin. |
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| 01:11:59 | webguest05 | oh |
| 01:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The information relating to it is in the wiki on the PluginDoom page. |
| 01:12:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, could you link me to where this other information is? |
| 01:12:51 | webguest05 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36364 |
| 01:14:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where the second and third lines of the first post tell you that the more up to date information is elsewhere... |
| 01:16:03 | webguest05 | i scrolled down too far |
| 01:16:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's generally a good idea to actually *read* the instructive posts. ;) |
| 01:17:07 | webguest05 | eh i generally dont like when im reformatting stuff |
| 01:17:23 | webguest05 | my 4g crashes a lot during ogg playback still |
| 01:17:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: 224x176 q6 plays at ~9.6fps on H340 |
| 01:18:04 | webguest05 | it reboots and then freezes during reboot |
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| 01:18:10 | webguest05 | then i have to manually reboot |
| 01:18:24 | webguest05 | and it works again |
| 01:19:52 | webguest05 | my oggs are at -q8 |
| 01:20:02 | XavierGr | linuxstb: I am downloading it now |
| 01:20:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it's faster on my Photo as well - about 16fps compared to about 14fps |
| 01:20:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you notice much degradation in the quality? |
| 01:20:41 | amiconn | no |
| 01:21:15 | linuxstb | No, nor can I... I should go lower. |
| 01:21:27 | webguest05 | flac is really the best playback on it..granted it is lossless but still...there seems to be a lot of artifacts on my ipod with ogg |
| 01:21:57 | Soap | can you ABX ogg q8 and ogg q5 even? |
| 01:22:52 | webguest05 | Soap: how do you do that? |
| 01:23:10 | Soap | google |
| 01:23:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest05: What kind of artifacts? |
| 01:23:18 | Soap | there are plenty of ABX programs out there. |
| 01:23:25 | Soap | I ABX through foobar. |
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| 01:28:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest05: Hello? |
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| 01:30:52 | mirak | I get better frame rates with mpeg1 |
| 01:31:29 | linuxstb | It seems this file is too good for mpeg2enc. Even -q8 is looking good - it's still encoding, but will probably end up around 340kbps. |
| 01:31:49 | linuxstb | mirak: How much better? And what bitrate mpeg-1 files? |
| 01:31:56 | Soap | 224*176? |
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| 01:32:19 | linuxstb | mirak: Also, it seems that at least with this particular source file, I can reduce the bitrate down a lot, and still get a good quality encode. |
| 01:32:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, how did that profiling stuff work again? |
| 01:32:47 | * | amiconn just realised that profiling should work on coldfire... |
| 01:33:04 | linuxstb | You're asking the wrong person - lostlogic wrote it... I tried it once, but couldn't get it working. |
| 01:33:17 | linuxstb | Although others have succeeded. |
| 01:34:37 | webguest05 | doom look like one big blue blob |
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| 01:40:10 | webguest05 | why did they even bother porting it to a g4? :) |
| 01:41:35 | webguest05 | i got as far as "gamma correction" and it was just a lighter blue blob |
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| 01:42:29 | Goomba | how can i place files onto an ipod outside of itunes? |
| 01:42:45 | Goomba | it only shows up as a disk for a few seconds |
| 01:43:13 | linuxstb | Have you ticked the box in itunes to allow you to access the ipod as a disk? |
| 01:43:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Goomba: Is it set to be usable as a disk? |
| 01:43:25 | Goomba | how do i do that? |
| 01:43:40 | linuxstb | It's one of the options... I can't remember where. |
| 01:43:51 | sharpe | under 'iPod' options. |
| 01:44:12 | Goomba | found it |
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| 01:48:20 | Goomba | YAY TAHNKS YOU LOL |
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| 01:48:46 | linuxstb | I guess it worked then... |
| 01:48:49 | sharpe | wow. |
| 01:48:56 | [HO]volt | hello. can someone here give me an honest review of the iaudio? i'm in the market for a new mp3player |
| 01:50:10 | linuxstb | XavierGr, amiconn: I've just uploaded an even lower bitrate 224x176 file. |
| 01:51:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | [HO]volt: It plays music. |
| 01:52:04 | [HO]volt | Paul_The_Nerd: I think I hate you. Just a little bit. |
| 01:52:16 | sharpe | haha. |
| 01:52:55 | [HO]volt | I found one, anyway. http://www.iaudiophile.net/content.php?review.24 |
| 01:53:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | You asked for one that's honest. ;) |
| 01:53:58 | [HO]volt | Well more or less, anyone reading now have an iaudio x5 and does anyone not like it for any reason. |
| 01:54:09 | [HO]volt | And yes, that was a question? |
| 01:54:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: This way the fps test gets rather synthetic |
| 01:54:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | [HO]volt: Most people seem to be quite happy with it. Though you have to make a choice between battery life or capacity |
| 01:54:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, we need a wider range of test files. |
| 01:54:56 | amiconn | Other video sources encoded at -q8 won't look nearly as good |
| 01:55:02 | linuxstb | I agree. |
| 01:55:53 | [HO]volt | Paul_The_Nerd: How do you mean? Larger disks have poor battery life, i would assume, naturally? |
| 01:55:55 | linuxstb | BTW, I mis-remembered what the -q option is in mpeg2enc - it's quantization, not quality. The default is 8, and the range is 1-31 (with 1 being highest quality, but highest bitrate) |
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| 01:56:29 | Mikachu | in 2pass encoding the quant would be adjusted per frame, right? |
| 01:57:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | [HO]volt: No, there's a model with an extended battery but it only comes in 30gigs. |
| 01:57:09 | mirak | linuxstb: hum about 1fps in favor of mpeg1 :-/ |
| 01:57:13 | linuxstb | I think so. I think mpeg2enc can adjust it in one-pass as well. But tuning the mpeg2enc is a full-time career. |
| 01:57:24 | Mikachu | yeah lots of options there |
| 01:57:37 | linuxstb | mirak: What bitrate? |
| 01:57:39 | amiconn | Hmm. How can I switch between gcc 4.0 and 4.1 if both are installed (debian)? |
| 01:57:40 | [HO]volt | Paul_The_Nerd: Thank you. Is there any fix for the 9,999 max file limit? AKA does rockbox fix this or is it hardware related? |
| 01:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox fixes it |
| 01:57:50 | webguest35 | WHY WONT MY NANO TURN OFF? CAN ANYONE HELP? |
| 01:57:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's entirely silly, and software related. |
| 01:57:58 | Mikachu | webguest35: OMG TURN OFF CAPS LOCK? |
| 01:58:08 | linuxstb | webguest35: Are you charging it? |
| 01:58:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest35: No need for all caps. Have you tried returning to the file browser and holding Play/Pause? |
| 01:58:20 | webguest35 | yes i have... i have also factory restored it... |
| 01:58:31 | webguest35 | its got the factory software on it, not roxbox |
| 01:58:31 | [HO]volt | Thanks Paul. You just convinced me to spend $358. So if it sucks, i am blaming you. <3 |
| 01:58:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you've factory restored it, and are in Apple firmware.... why are you asking us? |
| 01:58:46 | Mikachu | you can't turn it off in apple os... only soft sleep |
| 01:58:54 | Mikachu | wait 36 hours and it will deep sleep like rockbox does |
| 01:58:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | [HO]volt: You may not want to trust just me. I don't own one, so can only pass on second hand info. But it seems popular. |
| 01:59:19 | [HO]volt | Paul_The_Nerd: thank you for your honesty. I'll read like 10,000 more reviews then probably still buy it |
| 01:59:31 | mirak | linuxstb: 300kbs |
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| 02:00:05 | linuxstb | mirak: That probably explains the difference. I've just uploaded a 364kbps test MPEG-2 file - have you tried that? |
| 02:00:11 | webguest35 | Would installin roxbox fix the turning off prob>? |
| 02:00:36 | Mikachu | what exactly is the problem? |
| 02:00:44 | webguest35 | it wont turn off.... |
| 02:00:46 | mirak | no I encoded myself with mencoder, here is the settings : mencoder Le\ Couperet.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video:vbitrate=300 -vf scale -zoom -xy 220 -ss 1:20:00 -endpos 1:00 -o couperet-220x176-mpeg1-25fps-300kbs.m2v -of rawvideo -nosound |
| 02:00:55 | Mikachu | webguest35: when you do what? |
| 02:01:11 | Mikachu | webguest35: like i said, apple decided you shouldn't be able to turn it off |
| 02:01:23 | mirak | linuxstb: if you want to try mencoder |
| 02:01:25 | webguest35 | ...it just wont turn off...I accidently washed it and i let it dry for 2 days and it works fine except turning off... |
| 02:01:37 | Mikachu | it "turned off" before that? |
| 02:01:43 | webguest35 | yes |
| 02:01:56 | webguest35 | wen i held PLAY/PAUSE down |
| 02:01:58 | webguest35 | now it wont |
| 02:02:56 | webguest35 | ... |
| 02:03:21 | Mikachu | mine doesn't either |
| 02:03:31 | Mikachu | hm, now it did |
| 02:03:39 | Mikachu | but it was just soft sleep |
| 02:04:03 | linuxstb | mirak: OK, I'll try it. But my bed is calling me now... |
| 02:04:31 | webguest35 | huh mikachu? |
| 02:05:40 | Mikachu | it turned on when i pressed select |
| 02:05:48 | Mikachu | when it's off, it only turns on by pressing menu |
| 02:05:50 | linuxstb | 224x128 (full-screen, but 16:9) is working around 23fps on my Photo with the -q8 setting - 274kbps. |
| 02:06:26 | [HO]volt | does anyone know about the amount of time to start-up the iaudio x5? |
| 02:06:36 | Mikachu | with rockbox? |
| 02:06:36 | webguest35 | ok but any idea how i turn it off? |
| 02:06:59 | Mikachu | webguest35: the only way i know of is in the diagnostics menu, hold select+menu, then select+left |
| 02:07:06 | [HO]volt | Mikachu: if to me, yes, with rockbox |
| 02:07:54 | Mikachu | webguest35: hm, never mind, you can't do it there :) |
| 02:08:16 | Mikachu | i could have sworn you could though |
| 02:08:50 | Mikachu | webguest35: does it turn off if you leave it for a while? |
| 02:08:54 | Mikachu | webguest35: (not plugged in to usb) |
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| 02:12:20 | [HO]volt | Mikachu: ping timeout'd! |
| 02:14:31 | Mikachu | i don't know, i just asked so that someone who knew wouldn't have to ask that first |
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| 02:15:43 | webguest-35 | ok my ipod wont turn off, do you think installing ROCKbox will solve it |
| 02:16:51 | Soap | you don't have rockbox installed? |
| 02:16:55 | webguest-35 | ? |
| 02:16:59 | webguest-35 | no... |
| 02:17:11 | Soap | what button turns off the ipod in stock firmware? |
| 02:17:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPod in stock doesn't |
| 02:17:23 | Soap | (I forget) |
| 02:17:25 | webguest-35 | PLAY/PAUSE |
| 02:17:39 | Soap | and I assume that button works in all other contexts? |
| 02:17:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest-35: Seriously, this is something you should contact apple about, if anything. It sounds like your washing of the player has perhaps damaged it. |
| 02:17:46 | webguest-35 | yea |
| 02:18:08 | webguest-35 | it does play n pause songs just not turn off |
| 02:18:10 | Soap | Yea, this is a hardware issue, not a firmware/software one. |
| 02:18:39 | webguest-35 | but will rockbox help? |
| 02:18:46 | Soap | Changing software (even if it would let you turn it off) is just putting a bandaid over a gaping chest wound. |
| 02:19:07 | webguest-35 | yea so itll work |
| 02:19:16 | webguest-35 | wat button is it to turn off in rockbox |
| 02:19:24 | Soap | How did you draw that conclusion from what I said? |
| 02:19:40 | linuxstb | Goodnight all.... |
| 02:19:43 | * | linuxstb goes to bed. |
| 02:19:56 | webguest-35 | u asked wat button it is to turn ot off so im presuming its a diff button in rockbox |
| 02:19:57 | webguest-35 | what button is it |
| 02:20:12 | * | [HO]volt emotes. |
| 02:20:34 | * | [HO]volt just bought and iaudio. thanks Paul_The_Nerd. |
| 02:20:42 | webguest-35 | What button is it to turn off ur iPOD in rockbox? |
| 02:20:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Play/Pause |
| 02:20:54 | webguest-35 | DAMMIT |
| 02:21:02 | Soap | How does it mattter? You already said play/pause works in other contexts, so we know it isn't a failure of the button, and that is all we know. |
| 02:21:31 | webguest-35 | is it possible to restore the factory software once u have installed rockbox onto a nano? |
| 02:21:57 | sharpe | yes. |
| 02:22:01 | webguest-35 | how? |
| 02:22:01 | Soap | Let me spell it out. You have damaged hardware (chestwound) and changing software (bandaid) is not the solution. |
| 02:22:27 | webguest-35 | so what is my solution? The button works , just not turning it off... |
| 02:22:37 | sharpe | that's a great analogy Soap... |
| 02:22:40 | Soap | The solution is taking it to apple for service. |
| 02:22:57 | webguest-35 | there is no apply stores in scotland... |
| 02:23:12 | Soap | substitute sending for taking. |
| 02:23:44 | Soap | <sarcastic>So there are no apply stores, are there Apple stores?</s> |
| 02:23:49 | webguest-35 | but wats the harm in just changing software to fix it? |
| 02:24:15 | Soap | .ignore webguest-35 |
| 02:24:17 | Soap | oops |
| 02:24:31 | sharpe | there is no harm, changing the firmware will not fix it. |
| 02:24:32 | webguest-35 | ur an asshol |
| 02:24:42 | webguest-35 | Soap |
| 02:24:58 | sharpe | more like, no harm further than what's done. |
| 02:25:11 | webguest-35 | i see |
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| 02:25:26 | JdGordon | what? if the button works intermitadly, why wouldnt changing software possibly fix it? i brought an ipod back to life because the apple software wouldnt read the hdd properly |
| 02:26:02 | webguest-35 | jdGordon are you saying changing the software WILL fix it? |
| 02:26:07 | Soap | I have heard nothing saying intermitandly. |
| 02:26:13 | JdGordon | no, i said possibly |
| 02:26:23 | webguest-35 | hmmm |
| 02:26:24 | Soap | He says play/pause does everything but shutdown. |
| 02:26:26 | Mikachu | "intermittently" |
| 02:26:28 | JdGordon | didnt he say play/pause works but u cant turn it off with the same button? |
| 02:26:31 | Soap | ty Mikachu |
| 02:26:35 | webguest-35 | and it was rockbox that fixed it? |
| 02:26:36 | Soap | rigfht |
| 02:26:49 | Soap | he didn't say play/pause sometimes works, or it sometimes shuts down. |
| 02:26:52 | webguest-35 | yea it plays...pauses...just wont turn off |
| 02:27:06 | JdGordon | then bloody install rb and see... |
| 02:27:14 | sharpe | haha. |
| 02:27:19 | JdGordon | i mean, you should have it installed anyway coz apply is soo crap |
| 02:27:26 | webguest-35 | i was going to but some noob said it wont help... |
| 02:27:31 | JdGordon | the worst that could happen is that it doesnt fix it and u wasted 10min |
| 02:28:10 | webguest-35 | lol |
| 02:28:36 | webguest-35 | Can u help me install it i dont know what to do... |
| 02:29:00 | sharpe | webguest-35: there is a handy wiki and manual that you can read which supplies instructions... |
| 02:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest-35: In all probability it won't help. |
| 02:29:07 | Soap | IMHO the "worst" that could happen is you put makeup over a serious hardware fault caused by putting your electronic device through the laundry, and fail to fix the problem until it is too late. |
| 02:29:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, putting it through the wash causes hardware damage, and you're looking for a software solution |
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| 02:30:18 | webguest-35 | the costumer support over the fone is down as its late so ill try the software change and if not ill fone tommorow.... |
| 02:31:51 | webguest-35 | What should i try, ROCKbox or iPod LINUX....wats better? |
| 02:32:05 | * | JdGordon looks at channel name |
| 02:32:36 | sharpe | webguest-35: do you really think asking that in a channel named #rockbox will give you an unbiased answer? without telling us what you want the answer based on? |
| 02:32:37 | webguest-35 | kk, why is it better? |
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| 02:34:22 | [HO]volt | webguest-35: this is why it's better http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 02:36:47 | webguest-35 | an anyone help me install rockbox then, i dont understand |
| 02:37:45 | Mikachu | did you try reading the instructions? |
| 02:37:58 | webguest-35 | yea i dont understand wat to do |
| 02:38:11 | Mikachu | it is a numbered list of tasks to perform... |
| 02:38:29 | sharpe | webguest-35: which instructions? |
| 02:38:44 | webguest-35 | 2 secs ill get the link |
| 02:39:14 | webguest-35 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#First_a_thank_you |
| 02:40:28 | sharpe | well... the instructions are pretty straightforward... |
| 02:40:35 | webguest-35 | i dont understand the " INSTALL A BOOTLOODER" thing |
| 02:42:57 | webguest-35 | is that a step u MUST do |
| 02:43:22 | Mikachu | how about you read the text under the header? |
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| 02:43:49 | sharpe | ... Yes. In order to install Rockbox, you MUST install the Rockbox bootloader (or equivalent). |
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| 02:44:13 | RohnJohn | doodes - with x5 rockbox - anyone out there... |
| 02:45:33 | RohnJohn | once i got the rockbox installed - with bootloader - can i add any newest & patches version to the hd? |
| 02:46:36 | sharpe | RohnJohn: are you asking, "once you install the bootloader, can you update rockbox to a newer version?" |
| 02:46:59 | RohnJohn | sort of - right direction - thats in my 'complex' of questions ;) |
| 02:47:10 | sharpe | yes, yes you can. |
| 02:47:23 | RohnJohn | nice - quite a relief... |
| 02:47:31 | RohnJohn | thnx. |
| 02:48:01 | RohnJohn | this dual boot - kicks 'bottom' |
| 02:48:13 | sharpe | Welcome. |
| 02:48:17 | RohnJohn | ;) |
| 02:51:07 | RohnJohn | ahem - so i just replace the existing ones - with the 'latest' on my hd folder? |
| 02:51:20 | sharpe | Pretty much. |
| 02:52:02 | RohnJohn | you mean - if i run into complications - thats it than - or is there any imprtant thing to watch out for? |
| 02:52:21 | sharpe | Hmm? |
| 02:52:36 | [HO]volt | RohnJohn: what's your boot time with rockbox |
| 02:53:11 | RohnJohn | in regard to your 'pretty much' - means - thats it - or should i watch some tiny details in this process? |
| 02:53:27 | RohnJohn | one sec [HO]volt |
| 02:53:41 | sharpe | Eh, that was a "Yeah, that's it." |
| 02:54:02 | RohnJohn | i c - thanks again. |
| 02:54:32 | RohnJohn | [HO]volt - you mean like a 'cold start' ? - on my x5l ? |
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| 03:01:16 | [HO]volt | RohnJohn: well going from a state of using no power, to playing music |
| 03:02:06 | RohnJohn | allright than: with ver.060713-1625 - its about 8 seconds.. - to menu |
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| 03:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Remember that time can vary significantly depending on your WPS |
| 03:03:00 | [HO]volt | alright, thanks. just didnt want any surprises |
| 03:03:11 | [HO]volt | thats a lot better than my non-flashable jukebox recorder |
| 03:03:22 | [HO]volt | like 17 second boot time |
| 03:03:52 | RohnJohn | could very well be - minde is zenpod_v4_Iaudio_black (with the including wps) |
| 03:06:50 | RohnJohn | would it be allright - when i just replace 'rockbox.iaudio' - to make the latest build running? |
| 03:07:28 | RohnJohn | since the rest of the sub-folders looks like it is already? |
| 03:08:35 | Soap | depending on the build you should overwrite the sub-folders also. |
| 03:08:40 | Soap | regardless, it can't hurt. |
| 03:09:36 | RohnJohn | ok - thnx - Soap |
| 03:09:39 | Soap | Another good idea is to clear your settings between upgrades. On the ipod you do this by booting with the hold switch on, Irivers do this by booting while holding down the record button, I don't know about the iaudios. |
| 03:10:19 | RohnJohn | record button boots the 'iaudioÄfw as well - so i guess the same |
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| 03:13:29 | JdGordon | midkay: you around? |
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| 03:15:36 | sharpe | JdGordon: sharpe is around... |
| 03:15:50 | * | JdGordon wants midkay.. not sharpe... |
| 03:16:28 | sharpe | ew. |
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| 03:18:54 | * | JdGordon has 14 patches waiting to get commited :'( |
| 03:19:16 | sharpe | well. sharpe can't help you there. i see why you request midkay. |
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| 03:38:58 | Rudy4Pez | Hey, for iPod 5G, would using the hardware EQ instead of the Rockbox software EQ help with audio skipping do to CPU load? |
| 03:39:20 | JdGordon | probably |
| 03:39:51 | Rudy4Pez | Hot dang, Senab needs to hook me up with a new build. :D |
| 03:43:42 | Mikachu | just use one from the cvs builds page in the meantime |
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| 03:51:12 | safetydan | Rudy4Pez: let me know how the hardware eq goes for you if you do use it |
| 03:52:09 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah, I will as soon as Senab makes a new build.. I don't really use the official ones. |
| 03:52:24 | Rudy4Pez | Can't live without the nifty patches. ;) |
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| 03:53:03 | sharpe | strange. |
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| 03:56:03 | ShadowdogMU | I just sent in a request to get my iPod fixed |
| 03:58:34 | Soap | What happened to it? |
| 04:00 |
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| 04:01:02 | ShadowdogMU | It came shipped with a sratch on the screen, it won't turn off 1/2 the time and it won't hold a charge (2 weeks old) |
| 04:02:40 | Soap | dang |
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| 04:04:06 | ShadowdogMU | So mainly I am hoping they'll just send a new one, that scratch bothers me, I treat my iPod like an egg, it doesn't go anywhere without the case, and the screen touches nothing |
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| 04:04:58 | ShadowdogMU | My fear now, I did like 10 factory resets on it, in a row out of desperation, and now the battery icon shows it's charging, before it didn't, now I think they'll just send it back |
| 04:05:17 | midkay | JdGordon! |
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| 04:10:17 | JdGordon | midkay: !! |
| 04:10:34 | JdGordon | how would you like the honour of doing 2 really quick comits? |
| 04:10:39 | JdGordon | :D |
| 04:11:40 | JdGordon | #2685 and #5223 |
| 04:14:18 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why JdGordon was hunting one specific dev for that, instead of anyone with commit access. |
| 04:14:37 | JdGordon | thats a fairly valid point.... |
| 04:14:53 | JdGordon | ok... anyone want to commit them..? ... |
| 04:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just wondering if you were worried people might object to either of those, or something. ;) |
| 04:16:41 | midkay | haha i wouldn't. |
| 04:16:48 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:16:50 | sharpe | dude, you're so insensitive. |
| 04:16:53 | midkay | he knows i'd simply commit them. |
| 04:16:54 | JdGordon | aaww :'( |
| 04:17:06 | JdGordon | oh you wouldnt that... |
| 04:17:24 | midkay | honestly, vmware is messed up as it is.. if your patches are of good quality, you should have no problem asking someone else.. :) |
| 04:18:10 | Soap | If I wanted to start on an index for the maual, who should I talk to? |
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| 04:18:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: With 5223, if I get what you're saying, when using a non-LCD remote, if buttons are pressed on the remote it uses the "LCD Remote" timeouts etc, but for the main screen? |
| 04:18:58 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: no, the request was to turn on the main lcd if your using the non lcd recmote, thats exactly what this does |
| 04:19:59 | Rudy4Pez | I like 2685... But then, anything more I can customize makes me happier.. :P |
| 04:20:06 | JdGordon | .. the request doesnt really make much sense.. but the needed code is an added 4 lines so i thought it would be reasonable |
| 04:20:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: You misread what I said then. All I said was it turns on the main screen when using non-lcd, but uses the LCD remote's screen timeouts. |
| 04:21:07 | JdGordon | oh, no.. it uses the main lcd timeout.. sorry... |
| 04:21:35 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 04:21:36 | JdGordon | all it does is just tell the main lcd to turn on |
| 04:21:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you disable it? |
| 04:22:23 | JdGordon | hehe.. i knew i forgot something :p |
| 04:22:35 | Rudy4Pez | Exactly what I was thinkin.. lol |
| 04:22:37 | JdGordon | anyway, i gotta goto uni, back in a few hours... |
| 04:23:03 | JdGordon | pretty please commit 285 tho, i have blown my ears a few times forgettgin i left it on full volume :p |
| 04:23:17 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah, I really like that one.. |
| 04:24:22 | safetydan | Soap, the LaTeX system should have index building macros to use already. bluebrother or tucoz would be the people to talk to |
| 04:24:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you blow your ears, you were listening too loud when you turned it off :-P |
| 04:24:40 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, or it was hooked up to a stereo |
| 04:24:57 | Soap | safetydan - thanks for confirming my suspicion, I need to read up on LaTeX |
| 04:25:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | safetydan: Ban. You ruin my complaints |
| 04:25:18 | Rudy4Pez | Paul_The_Nerd: I usually have my volume set to -8 while I'm skating, so I can actually hear the music.. When I turn it off, and later on, I go to listen to music in a quiet room, -8 is a bit much... Hehe. |
| 04:25:43 | safetydan | Yeesh, -8... |
| 04:25:48 | * | safetydan barely gets above -24 in most uses |
| 04:25:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's a worthwhile feature, though it's kinda "protecting users from themselves" since there's not necessarily any reason why they can't just lower the volume in advance. |
| 04:26:13 | Mikachu | the actual volume depends on target and headphones too.. |
| 04:26:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | An easier solution would be to finally implement auto-loading of .cfgs on boot. |
| 04:26:29 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: my tv set has this feature |
| 04:26:38 | Rudy4Pez | I have auto-resume-on-startup turned on, so when I turn the unit on, music is playing before I ever have a chance to change the volume. |
| 04:26:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming it didn't auto overwrite it on shutdown. |
| 04:26:57 | safetydan | Mikachu, yeah I know... still funny to see people using nearly 20 dB higher volumes than me |
| 04:27:08 | Rudy4Pez | lol |
| 04:27:08 | * | Paul_The_Nerd listens at -45 usually |
| 04:27:10 | Mikachu | i use anywhere between -30 and -8 |
| 04:27:15 | * | Soap is a -50db man |
| 04:27:29 | Mikachu | how i wear the headphones does +/-10dB too |
| 04:27:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | But really, the question is "how much is this feature worth"? |
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| 04:27:49 | Rudy4Pez | Well actually, I got new wheels/bearings for my skateboard, the old ones were such trash.. So now I can listen at like -13. |
| 04:27:54 | sharpe | i'm usualy around -50 to -45... |
| 04:28:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because every little convenience we add now is something else there may not be room for later. |
| 04:28:34 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: indeed, like the thing about the archos firmware size... |
| 04:28:38 | Soap | I have three different sets of headphones, and the (fucking) FM adapter, I just know to check before plugging in every time. |
| 04:28:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: That's pretty much exactly it |
| 04:28:54 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:29:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Things the users can easily do for themselves seem like they should be REALLY low priority. |
| 04:29:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially since once they're in, you have to pry them out with considerable force. |
| 04:29:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Removing a feature meets a lot more objection than never having it. |
| 04:29:54 | sharpe | yep. especially if thing evenually are built on top of said feature... |
| 04:30:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or just because people get used to using it. |
| 04:30:17 | Mikachu | i think the feature would be useful, but i have not yet had the volume up too loud by accident |
| 04:30:42 | Rudy4Pez | It's the nature of how you use your player... |
| 04:30:56 | Rudy4Pez | Some people never need two volume extremes, others do. |
| 04:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Useful" and "one of the most valuable uses of that space" are not the same thing |
| 04:31:06 | Soap | Once recording is active on (most) targets you could build a feedback system to monitor the volume of your chosen headphones and nanny you with an appropriate volume level. |
| 04:31:10 | sharpe | I never knew i had a ruptured eardrum when i was younger... until a while ago... |
| 04:31:13 | Mikachu | if i turn the volume to +6, i can have my phones on the table and hear the music |
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| 04:31:16 | safetydan | JdGordon, have you tried your settings UI patch on iPod? Is scrolly through big lists (like the volume settings) slow? |
| 04:31:22 | Mikachu | obviously it's not good if i put them in my ears with that volume |
| 04:31:40 | Rudy4Pez | lol @ Mikachu |
| 04:32:12 | Rudy4Pez | Try -8 when it's 2am and the entire city block is freaking SILENT... :P |
| 04:32:28 | ShadowdogMU | Acording to this email Apple sent me, if I send them my iPod and it needs no work/replacement they charge me $100 |
| 04:33:01 | Soap | fuck |
| 04:33:13 | fatherfork | that sucks |
| 04:33:30 | Mikachu | heh, you could buy a new player for that |
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| 04:34:36 | fatherfork | Hey shadow, I was hopin I'd catch you one sometime... have you seen my new WPS? |
| 04:34:46 | ShadowdogMU | Nope, linkage? |
| 04:35:21 | fatherfork | um... |
| 04:35:22 | fatherfork | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Applebox |
| 04:35:22 | fatherfork | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Applebox |
| 04:35:24 | fatherfork | ah |
| 04:35:27 | fatherfork | weird |
| 04:35:32 | sharpe | oh god! two times! |
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| 04:35:37 | fatherfork | yeah my bad |
| 04:35:38 | sharpe | how dare thou! |
| 04:35:41 | Mikachu | !voteban |
| 04:35:49 | sharpe | haha. |
| 04:36:11 | fatherfork | I sent the url, THEN the "um..." |
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| 04:36:20 | fatherfork | really big delay |
| 04:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't the apple logo trademarked? |
| 04:36:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not to mention the iTunes name... |
| 04:36:36 | fatherfork | crap |
| 04:36:37 | ShadowdogMU | fatherfork, looks really good, my only complaint... the font |
| 04:36:39 | Mikachu | as long as it isn't copyrighted |
| 04:36:56 | ShadowdogMU | the font is too big, and ugly, and not AAed |
| 04:36:56 | fatherfork | Shadowdog, which would you suggest? |
| 04:36:57 | ShadowdogMU | :P |
| 04:37:05 | fatherfork | AAed? |
| 04:37:11 | ShadowdogMU | Anti-Aliased |
| 04:37:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | ShadowdogMU: Because of course Rockbox supports that. |
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| 04:37:20 | fatherfork | are there any that are? |
| 04:37:35 | fatherfork | yeah, that's what I thought about the anti-alias |
| 04:37:39 | Mikachu | there is no AA in rockbox, because it is almost impossible |
| 04:37:53 | ShadowdogMU | Well why can't it be built into the font file? |
| 04:38:19 | ShadowdogMU | Well I dunno, at least make it smaller |
| 04:38:20 | fatherfork | because that would require some sort of trasparency |
| 04:38:41 | Mikachu | AA means you blend parts of the edge with the background |
| 04:38:43 | Mikachu | you can't do that in advance |
| 04:38:49 | fatherfork | exactly |
| 04:38:54 | Mikachu | in apple os, they only ever have a white background so it's not too hard |
| 04:39:09 | BloodySorcerer | mmh, antialiasing.... |
| 04:39:35 | sharpe | I do like the idea of the blue apple logo on disk access though... :) |
| 04:39:46 | fatherfork | awesome |
| 04:40:03 | fatherfork | I tried not to have anything on there that did nothing |
| 04:41:16 | fatherfork | Shadow, I like the bigger font because it's easier to see in any situation |
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| 04:43:24 | ShadowdogMU | meh, ok just saying I won't download because of that |
| 04:43:38 | fatherfork | ah well, to eash his own |
| 04:43:41 | fatherfork | each |
| 04:44:31 | CmptrGk | this has nothing to do with rockbox, but i must say this. my cat just ate my radio's antenna. i am speechless. |
| 04:44:41 | ShadowdogMU | haha |
| 04:44:45 | ShadowdogMU | does the radio still work? |
| 04:44:50 | fatherfork | vote for the most random statement |
| 04:45:05 | CmptrGk | i havent tried it yet |
| 04:45:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | ShadowdogMU: You are familiar with the ability to choose a different font, right? |
| 04:45:12 | BloodySorcerer | how do you eat an antenna? |
| 04:45:20 | BloodySorcerer | that sounds like it'd be quite difficult. |
| 04:45:21 | ShadowdogMU | You could do what I did in the pre-cd, pre-ipod days, shove tin foil to make an antenna |
| 04:45:22 | sharpe | CmptrGk: like. is it still attached to the radio? |
| 04:45:23 | Mikachu | i guess the same way you eat any electronical appliance |
| 04:45:29 | BloodySorcerer | painfully? |
| 04:45:30 | CmptrGk | part of it |
| 04:45:33 | BloodySorcerer | pBfully? |
| 04:45:35 | BloodySorcerer | err |
| 04:45:37 | BloodySorcerer | Pbfully? |
| 04:45:41 | CmptrGk | its a copper wire antenna |
| 04:45:43 | ShadowdogMU | Mikachu, I have no experience eating electronical appliances |
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| 04:46:03 | fatherfork | too bad the formatting would be wrong if he changed the font |
| 04:46:09 | BloodySorcerer | i've got tons... microwaves, toasters, refrigerators, calculators, radios, mp3 players, you name it. |
| 04:46:21 | ShadowdogMU | CRT monitors? |
| 04:46:29 | CmptrGk | seems to still work, little static |
| 04:46:38 | ShadowdogMU | tin foil it! |
| 04:46:45 | sharpe | the old 5mb drum hard drives used many, many years ago? |
| 04:46:50 | BloodySorcerer | CRT monitors are yummy |
| 04:46:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | fatherfork: But other fonts of the same height will work, at the very least. |
| 04:46:55 | BloodySorcerer | mmh, HDDs |
| 04:47:04 | BloodySorcerer | ShadowdogMU, tin foil is usually a bad idea. |
| 04:47:14 | ShadowdogMU | Why? |
| 04:47:15 | BloodySorcerer | 9 times out of 10 you'll just wind up insulating the antenna with no real gain to be had |
| 04:47:21 | ShadowdogMU | haha |
| 04:47:35 | ShadowdogMU | worked for me in my childhood, I liked to make a satellite shape at the top |
| 04:47:41 | fatherfork | Paul_The_Nerd: true, but are there any smaller fonts with the same vertical line spacing? |
| 04:47:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really, but he could make one. ;) |
| 04:47:54 | BloodySorcerer | i'm hungry. |
| 04:48:09 | fatherfork | ha, yeah I'll leave that up to him |
| 04:48:09 | ShadowdogMU | Well still: |
| 04:48:16 | * | ShadowdogMU is a fan of small fonts and big images |
| 04:48:35 | sharpe | i remember i made paper cameras out of index cards as a kid. four for the box, one to cover a side, and one to roll up to act as the lens... |
| 04:48:43 | fatherfork | and if he wanted to make a font specifically for Applebox, he could try to add some sort of AA support |
| 04:49:18 | ShadowdogMU | sharpe, that's nice... did you make film? |
| 04:49:23 | ShadowdogMU | and batteries? |
| 04:49:33 | sharpe | no... but i did tape them up around the house. |
| 04:50:02 | ShadowdogMU | haha, wait like security cameras or film cameras? |
| 04:50:07 | sharpe | security. |
| 04:50:13 | * | ShadowdogMU is Rockboxless and songless on his iPod |
| 04:50:48 | sharpe | although they only had one direction to look at, they were spiffy. |
| 04:51:02 | Mikachu | fatherfork: the fonts in rockbox are 1bit |
| 04:51:16 | fatherfork | that's unfortunate |
| 04:51:26 | safetydan | One day someone will change that. |
| 04:51:28 | safetydan | One day. |
| 04:51:35 | Mikachu | and 8x the mem requirements |
| 04:51:37 | ShadowdogMU | This isn't good... my iPod is working now, |
| 04:51:38 | safetydan | And add multiple font support at the same time probably |
| 04:51:45 | ShadowdogMU | after I sent in a request to get it repairs |
| 04:51:49 | Mikachu | well, maybe 4 alpha levels are enough |
| 04:52:04 | fatherfork | Julius is working on a patch for different colors at the same time, I think |
| 04:52:30 | sharpe | Mikachu: why not go for 256 alpha levels, so then we can boast 24-bit color? |
| 04:52:34 | CmptrGk | ShadowdogMU: isnt that what usually happens with techsupport |
| 04:52:53 | Mikachu | sharpe: i was mainly concerned about memory, but you're right, boasting is more important |
| 04:53:07 | sharpe | yes. who cares about memory, as long as we say we can do it. |
| 04:53:15 | Mikachu | like how compiling with -g or running in gdb always fixes bugs |
| 04:53:18 | fatherfork | yes you all have your egos to look after |
| 04:55:02 | ShadowdogMU | Should I send my iPod in anyway? |
| 04:55:22 | sharpe | ShadowdogMU: without rockbox on it, sure! |
| 04:55:22 | fatherfork | ShadowdogMU, I have an idea: you could make a bmp image of every artist, album, and track name in your library. That would give you Anti-Alias support right away. |
| 04:55:41 | ShadowdogMU | too much work fatherfork |
| 04:55:46 | fatherfork | but boy would that be a long wps file |
| 04:55:58 | ShadowdogMU | sharpe, already removed it, but now it;s working and according to my email they sent: |
| 04:56:07 | fatherfork | yeah, I was mostly joking |
| 04:56:20 | ShadowdogMU | of no more than one hundred ($100) dollars US, plus applicable tax, if Apple inspects your product and determines based on the inspection that the product does not require service. |
| 04:57:18 | Mikachu | if it's broken you should be able to demand repair no matter what they say |
| 04:57:35 | fatherfork | Shadow, what's wrong with it? |
| 04:58:29 | ShadowdogMU | Well, now it seems fine, but I charged it, said it was fully charge, and five minutes later it would die |
| 04:58:31 | ShadowdogMU | it wouldn;t turn off |
| 04:58:37 | ShadowdogMU | and it came shipped with a scratch |
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| 04:58:46 | fatherfork | that was nice of them |
| 04:58:53 | sharpe | they love you. |
| 04:58:57 | ShadowdogMU | oh, and when I ejected from iTunes, but left it plugged in, it would turn on, not charge |
| 04:59:06 | Mikachu | no anthrax in the package too? |
| 04:59:11 | fatherfork | haha |
| 04:59:54 | ShadowdogMU | no a complimentary bottle of cynanide labeled "champagne for celebration of your new iPod purchase" |
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| 05:00:36 | sharpe | i believe that's not inconspicuous enough. |
| 05:01:02 | fatherfork | yeah you probably don't even know what they've done to you yet |
| 05:01:36 | ShadowdogMU | ? |
| 05:01:58 | BHSPitMonkey | ShadowdogMU, can I send my friend's ipod in, in yours' stead? |
| 05:02:21 | ShadowdogMU | Why? |
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| 05:02:44 | BHSPitMonkey | cause it actually needs a fixin' |
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| 05:03:48 | ShadowdogMU | Just request a service repair on it? |
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| 05:06:21 | BHSPitMonkey | nah |
| 05:06:24 | BHSPitMonkey | he's already sent it to them |
| 05:06:28 | BHSPitMonkey | they said no |
| 05:06:33 | BHSPitMonkey | even though it hasn't been a year |
| 05:06:37 | BHSPitMonkey | he needs to fight it |
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| 05:11:10 | ShadowdogMU | who has an iPod jere? |
| 05:11:12 | ShadowdogMU | here* |
| 05:11:25 | * | fatherfork |
| 05:11:41 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, do you ever get the giant battery charging symbol? |
| 05:12:19 | fatherfork | yes |
| 05:12:35 | * | sharpe has an ipod. not jere, but here. |
| 05:12:52 | ShadowdogMU | When? |
| 05:12:59 | fatherfork | when the iPod is off but charging, and not connected to the computer |
| 05:13:17 | ShadowdogMU | Ok, so like it's connected but you hit eject from iTunes? |
| 05:13:21 | Mikachu | you also get it after doing "safe removal" in windows or eject in linux |
| 05:13:25 | fatherfork | or is off and charging after ejaction from the computer |
| 05:13:30 | fatherfork | yes |
| 05:13:38 | fatherfork | ejection* |
| 05:13:47 | ShadowdogMU | See, mine goes frmo Do not Disconnect, then I hit eject, and it turns on... |
| 05:13:54 | ShadowdogMU | never the giant battery symbol thing |
| 05:14:06 | fatherfork | even after leaving it for a while? |
| 05:14:08 | sharpe | well. your ipod is 'special.' |
| 05:14:20 | fatherfork | what do you have auto-off set to? |
| 05:14:23 | ShadowdogMU | Very, the battery seems to be holding a c harge now... but I don't get that |
| 05:14:42 | ShadowdogMU | let me check |
| 05:14:59 | fatherfork | I think mine turns on after I eject it, but then auto-off after a minute |
| 05:15:00 | Mikachu | if you soft sleep it, it should show the big battery |
| 05:15:06 | ShadowdogMU | soft sleep? |
| 05:15:07 | Mikachu | if you hold play or select Sleep in the menu |
| 05:15:12 | fatherfork | hold play |
| 05:15:18 | ShadowdogMU | let me try |
| 05:15:37 | ShadowdogMU | and where is auto off, I only see backlight |
| 05:15:50 | fatherfork | not sure, lemme boot it |
| 05:16:06 | ShadowdogMU | I got the big battery! |
| 05:16:10 | fatherfork | awesome |
| 05:16:17 | Mikachu | teh win |
| 05:16:25 | Mikachu | what are you going to do with it? |
| 05:17:03 | fatherfork | oh, right, the iPod only has a one minute auto off setting |
| 05:17:07 | fatherfork | you can't change it |
| 05:17:24 | ShadowdogMU | I am going to call support again tomorow and be like "I reset the thing literally 10 times last night, and it seems to hold a charge. I read in the email if I send it in, and nothing gets fixed you can charge me, I still want to send it in, what if it does this again on day one of my out of warranty?" |
| 05:17:43 | ShadowdogMU | Besides it DID ship with a scratch in the screen |
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| 05:18:06 | sharpe | be sure to take a threatening tone with them. that will totally help. |
| 05:18:26 | fatherfork | "you sent me a scratch iPod you bastards" |
| 05:18:33 | fatherfork | say that |
| 05:18:40 | Mikachu | attach a picture of a dead hamster |
| 05:18:46 | fatherfork | oo good one |
| 05:18:50 | Mikachu | but make no reference to it |
| 05:18:55 | sharpe | yep, and always talk like it's the tech support's fault. |
| 05:19:06 | ShadowdogMU | haha, I will so go off on t hem |
| 05:19:21 | fatherfork | write in all caps |
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| 05:19:31 | ShadowdogMU | No, call only fatherfork |
| 05:19:35 | sharpe | because, we all know tech support handles and oversees shipments. |
| 05:19:40 | fatherfork | right, got that now |
| 05:19:46 | sharpe | talk in all caps then. |
| 05:19:55 | ShadowdogMU | are you being sarcastic sharpe, about the shipments |
| 05:20:07 | Mikachu | hahaha |
| 05:20:09 | sharpe | And if i wasn't? |
| 05:20:22 | fatherfork | haha, we could send them "nice" things |
| 05:20:42 | fatherfork | like the hamster in the picture |
| 05:20:44 | ShadowdogMU | I dunno, do they really oversee shipments? |
| 05:20:49 | sharpe | Nope. |
| 05:21:03 | sharpe | sarcastic :) |
| 05:21:37 | sharpe | You can threaten them with Rockbox. "Look. I know a way to get in touch with these Rockbox folks..." |
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| 05:22:22 | CmptrGk | how does one exit the dice plugin? |
| 05:22:40 | Mikachu | depends on what player you have i think |
| 05:22:49 | CmptrGk | ipod 4g |
| 05:22:49 | ShadowdogMU | hold select OR hold select menu, but not long enough to reset (iPod) |
| 05:23:05 | Mikachu | pressing should be enough in plugins |
| 05:23:31 | Mikachu | and it's usually menu or select menu, not just select |
| 05:23:48 | ShadowdogMU | Well select works in Jewels |
| 05:24:00 | CmptrGk | thanks |
| 05:24:31 | ShadowdogMU | I should call support now, but my parents might think I am crazy |
| 05:25:05 | sharpe | Haha. Just call and breathe into the phone heavily. |
| 05:25:05 | Ctcp | Version from Mikachu!i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com |
| 05:25:24 | ShadowdogMU | lol! |
| 05:25:42 | ShadowdogMU | If you ever called them, they first ask for your serial |
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| 05:26:00 | ShadowdogMU | so when they asked I was going to ask to speak to Peter, the guy I talked to today |
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| 05:26:09 | sharpe | Or after they tell you their name talk casually to them... "How are the kids?" "How've you been?" |
| 05:26:15 | ShadowdogMU | "Thank you for calling Apple, can I have your iPod's serial please" |
| 05:26:22 | ShadowdogMU | "Can I speak with Peter please?" |
| 05:26:24 | ShadowdogMU | haha |
| 05:26:30 | CmptrGk | if or when the ipod's second processor is enabled, would it suck the battery life down more? |
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| 05:26:46 | ShadowdogMU | "Peter! No way, how's the house coming, move in yet?" |
| 05:26:55 | sharpe | CmptrGk: it's not a second processor, but another core... there's a difference :) |
| 05:27:00 | ShadowdogMU | "How's Marla doing?" |
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| 05:27:09 | CmptrGk | ok |
| 05:27:23 | sharpe | The freaky thing would be getting all the guessing of his life right. |
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| 05:28:04 | ShadowdogMU | HAHA! |
| 05:28:20 | sharpe | And as far as i know, it would not really have a great impact on the battery life... I don't think so anyway... |
| 05:29:09 | CmptrGk | ok, i saw the 8-1 enable second core , but does nothing patch and i was wondering about it |
| 05:29:18 | CmptrGk | *8-1-06 |
| 05:31:05 | CmptrGk | i am having an issue with battery life with my 4g ipod. it says ~4h 20min but dies after about an hour. is that normal? |
| 05:31:31 | sharpe | the battery life estimation isn't really... suitable for the ipods. |
| 05:32:03 | CmptrGk | ok, due to which factors? |
| 05:32:11 | ShadowdogMU | mines tells me it has 8 hours... my iPod wouldn't do 10 minutes |
| 05:32:22 | CmptrGk | the hd spinup? or something else |
| 05:32:24 | sharpe | ShadowdogMU: yeah, but that's your ipod's fault. :) |
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| 05:32:40 | ShadowdogMU | I know :P |
| 05:33:16 | sharpe | CmptrGk: no, not really... |
| 05:33:40 | CmptrGk | ok |
| 05:34:30 | ShadowdogMU | What time is it in Rockbox time? |
| 05:34:53 | sharpe | More or less, nobody has bothered to get around to the battery life estimation for the iPods. (Don't quote me on that.) |
| 05:35:12 | ShadowdogMU | >.> |
| 05:35:18 | * | ShadowdogMU saves to quote you on that sometime |
| 05:35:35 | sharpe | The logs are at http://www.rockbox.org/ anyway. |
| 05:35:53 | ShadowdogMU | really? |
| 05:36:00 | sharpe | Yes... |
| 05:36:01 | CmptrGk | in the irc section |
| 05:36:08 | ShadowdogMU | NO WAI! |
| 05:36:34 | sharpe | YA WAI! |
| 05:36:36 | CmptrGk | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ right in the middle of the page |
| 05:36:43 | sharpe | I had to. |
| 05:44:14 | sharpe | Well. It has certainly been an interesting day. |
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| 05:55:26 | ShadowdogMU | Yup |
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| 06:44:28 | sharpe | G'night everyone. |
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| 07:35:30 | JdGordon | <safetydan> JdGordon, have you tried your settings UI patch on iPod? Is scrolly through big lists (like the volume settings) slow? <- no i havnt, but it uses he callback to get the item names, so it shuold be fine? |
| 07:36:15 | JdGordon | well that was stupid of me.. he isnt here :p |
| 07:39:54 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 07:40:03 | JdGordon | morning Bg3r |
| 07:40:52 | Bg3r | JdGordon: FS # ? :) |
| 07:40:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I think he just means that "Scrolling through lists is slower on iPods than just changing the shown entry, is this also true with your patch?" |
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| 07:41:24 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: oh, ok, i dont know. i dont have an ipod |
| 07:43:25 | JdGordon | [12:24] <Paul_The_Nerd> If you blow your ears, you were listening too loud when you turned it off :-P <- moving from 0dB when connected to the car/stereo to headfones... |
| 07:44:45 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Why should scrolling through lists be slower than scrolling through values with the current settings system? |
| 07:44:46 | JdGordon | Bg3r: FS # for which? |
| 07:45:23 | Bg3r | haha, u have many patches |
| 07:45:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: because currently only 1 value is shown on the screen at a time.. the patch they are refering to shows as many as will fit on the screen |
| 07:45:32 | Bg3r | the one u wanted non-lcd remote |
| 07:45:38 | JdGordon | Bg3r: 14 at last count |
| 07:45:41 | amiconn | Yes I know |
| 07:45:44 | JdGordon | ah.. 1 sec |
| 07:45:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Scrolling through a list generally redraws more? |
| 07:45:49 | Bg3r | 14??? |
| 07:45:50 | Bg3r | wow |
| 07:46:14 | Mikachu | i only have 4 in the tracker iirc |
| 07:46:23 | JdGordon | Bg3r: 5223 |
| 07:46:51 | JdGordon | didnt someone put a patch on the ml to optimize the list drawiung code? |
| 07:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It improves things |
| 07:47:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | But only while scrolling within a list shorter than the screen. |
| 07:47:35 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: or when using paged scrolling |
| 07:47:40 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 07:48:48 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm referring to the "...on iPods..." part in your statement. Why should it be slower on all ipods, but not on other targets? |
| 07:49:01 | amiconn | On my ipod lists aren't slow at all :-P |
| 07:49:49 | amiconn | ..but to the contrary, lists are slow on X5 when the remote is plugged. The remote lcd driver needs optimisation |
| 07:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Scrolling through a list longer than the screen is much slower on my iPod Nano than on my H100. And I hear it's downright painful on the 5Gs. I don't know wholly why it is, though most reasons I get are the slow(er) redraw of the entire screen, and the nature of the scrollwheel. |
| 07:51:40 | JdGordon | http://www.boreme.com/boreme/media-pictures/pdf.gif |
| 07:51:46 | amiconn | The scroll wheel has nothing to do with it, it's mainly the data transfer framebuffer->lcd |
| 07:51:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fair enough |
| 07:52:13 | amiconn | And that hurts targets which have slow transfer and/or need to transfer large amounts of data |
| 07:53:21 | amiconn | Greyscale ipods don't suffer from it in lists (although the transfer is _relaitevely_ slow) |
| 07:54:37 | JdGordon | ..because they dont have background images? |
| 07:54:46 | amiconn | no |
| 07:54:58 | amiconn | Because greyscale means transferring much less data |
| 07:55:04 | JdGordon | righto |
| 07:56:01 | * | JdGordon back in 20 |
| 07:56:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: I have 2 questions regarding the settings patch (sorry, didn't check it out myself yet): (1) What's the impact on code size (I'm mainly interested in archos figures) |
| 07:57:16 | Rudy4Pez | Hey what was the tracker number of that volume patch we were talking about earlier? |
| 07:57:40 | amiconn | (2) Did you add the (switchable) list headline? I'd think a settings list w/o a headline will be confusing (more or less depending on the target) |
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| 07:58:57 | safetydan | amiconn, the list's do have a headline in JdGordon's patch |
| 07:59:06 | safetydan | it's centere on the screen below the status bar |
| 07:59:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Centered except on Charcell, right? |
| 07:59:27 | safetydan | TBH didn't try on charcell sim |
| 07:59:40 | safetydan | there should be an I somewhere in that sentence |
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| 08:00:14 | amiconn | I think the headline should be centered unless it doesn't fit the line and needs to scroll |
| 08:00:49 | amiconn | ..and maybe never centered on the player |
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| 08:03:01 | amiconn | safetydan: Do all lists have a headline then? |
| 08:03:08 | safetydan | The patch should have a positive effect on code size (i.e makes it smaller) as there appears to be a lot less code in the settings UI. |
| 08:03:22 | safetydan | amiconn, no, only the settings lists |
| 08:03:26 | amiconn | ah |
| 08:03:34 | amiconn | good |
| 08:04:55 | safetydan | My biggest objection to the patch at the moment is that Left on the iRiver joystick no longer exits a setting screen. |
| 08:05:09 | amiconn | I think on that on the larger LCDs a headline might be desirable in other lists as well (e.g. the filebrowser showing the current path) |
| 08:05:36 | safetydan | that would be useful |
| 08:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would love to see a headline on basically all lists on my H100 |
| 08:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would just be convenient for my lazy. |
| 08:06:33 | amiconn | safetydan: Why is that? Lists can be left with 'Left' now... |
| 08:08:42 | safetydan | amiconn, I'm not sure. I haven't had a chance to look at why it doesn't work yet. |
| 08:11:34 | amiconn | One thing I would not like is having the pure numeric settings in a list. Having a list of potentially hundreds of values is rather odd... |
| 08:12:00 | amiconn | thinking about e.g. the Balance setting: 201 values |
| 08:13:14 | JdGordon | amiconn: i havnt done a comparisson, but the code size should drop because it removes 2 fairly decent sized functions.. and on the char cell targets there shuold be no difference, on the others the headline is cenetered for all settings.. |
| 08:13:26 | safetydan | It is a little odd. But it means the settings have unified look and only one code path. |
| 08:13:39 | safetydan | You get used to it. |
| 08:14:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm... |
| 08:14:02 | JdGordon | safetydan: as for the buttons, i was lazy and dint do them properly because te actions code will replace the buttons soonish (hopefully) |
| 08:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know what'd be neat? |
| 08:14:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | If there were several layers of the lists... |
| 08:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | For the long ones. |
| 08:14:20 | JdGordon | ? |
| 08:14:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, by 20s, by 10s, and by 1s |
| 08:14:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | For the one that's 201 long |
| 08:14:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | You keep going right, and the grain gets finer. |
| 08:14:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's be useful for say, the battery mAH as well. |
| 08:15:12 | JdGordon | having the ints in lists works fine... but yes, the really long ones are a bit annoying |
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| 08:15:27 | JdGordon | ... but its easier to jump ahead now than before |
| 08:15:35 | JdGordon | if the target supports pgup/down in lists |
| 08:15:50 | * | safetydan imagines paging up through the volume settings |
| 08:16:14 | safetydan | 14 dB at a time |
| 08:16:34 | Bg3r | JdGordon: i really prefer int settings to be as they used to be |
| 08:16:36 | JdGordon | ... minor down-side of this tho is that the settings dont get applied as the selected value changes... only once you accept the setting |
| 08:16:59 | * | amiconn just checked his mobile phone settings |
| 08:17:18 | Bg3r | amiconn: and ? |
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| 08:18:19 | amiconn | It also uses lists for booleans and multi options, and a special method for numeric settings |
| 08:18:48 | Bg3r | yes, this seems to be some kind of standard |
| 08:19:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | A numeric input could work, if there were display of the valid range and default or something |
| 08:19:48 | JdGordon | but that means having a seperate code path for these settings, which increases size... but a very nice gui could be done easily for them |
| 08:20:01 | JdGordon | mix of the numeric value and the slider |
| 08:20:13 | amiconn | JdGordon: No live-changing values? That's a major downside imho |
| 08:20:24 | safetydan | home time |
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| 08:20:35 | JdGordon | ok, well it can be added really easily |
| 08:21:07 | amiconn | With the old system, live-changing values is optional, as some settings must not use it |
| 08:21:27 | JdGordon | with this its all or none... |
| 08:21:46 | amiconn | But changing volume, treble, bass etc. should really change live |
| 08:22:08 | Bg3r | amiconn: also brightness, contrast ... |
| 08:22:09 | amiconn | ...as well as LCD contrast, brightnes... i.e. most should |
| 08:22:16 | Bg3r | EQ |
| 08:22:27 | Bg3r | especially EQ |
| 08:23:30 | amiconn | I tried to use the EQ once... then switched it off, probably permanent |
| 08:23:38 | JdGordon | ok, changed so it is "live" |
| 08:23:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: It has to be optional... |
| 08:24:09 | amiconn | Some values _must_ not be live |
| 08:24:19 | JdGordon | is that what the function parameter to set_* is for? |
| 08:24:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:24:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | What values mustn't be live? |
| 08:24:52 | amiconn | E.g. Display flip |
| 08:26:32 | amiconn | And some things having no immediate effect in the menu _should_ not be live, as live-change may cause repeated (unnecessary) inits |
| 08:27:06 | amiconn | ...e.g. File browser sorting, filter etc |
| 08:27:42 | Bg3r | dircache ... |
| 08:29:47 | JdGordon | ok, it now copies exactly how it worked before.... compile and test time :p |
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| 08:33:26 | JdGordon | ok its wierd... does the line selector setting take effect imedialty atm? |
| 08:38:34 | JdGordon | anyone still there?? can someone check the line selector setting please? |
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| 08:42:49 | Bg3r | JdGordon: how to check it? |
| 08:42:54 | Bg3r | the backlight thing looks good |
| 08:43:06 | Bg3r | (source-wise) :P |
| 08:43:28 | JdGordon | menu > general > lcd > line selector ... does it change if u change the setting there before you leave the screen? |
| 08:43:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: You can't test whether the line selector is live with the current system. |
| 08:44:11 | amiconn | The current system doesn't show the selector on the settings screen |
| 08:44:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: you mean it doesnt apear to change it "live |
| 08:44:19 | JdGordon | ah true |
| 08:44:24 | JdGordon | ok ive fixed that |
| 08:45:01 | JdGordon | thanx Bg3r |
| 08:46:07 | amiconn | Hmm, does the list widget icon drawing also use a callback? |
| 08:46:14 | JdGordon | yes |
| 08:47:16 | amiconn | We could use the icon to indicate the current setting (for non-live settings) |
| 08:47:54 | * | Bg3r emerges ccache ... |
| 08:47:57 | JdGordon | thats just adding "fluff" to it.. but yes.. and a "checkmark" icon for the bool values |
| 08:48:02 | amiconn | That's for later though |
| 08:48:17 | JdGordon | after a make veryclean... |
| 08:48:19 | JdGordon | In file included from bookmark.c:38: |
| 08:48:19 | JdGordon | recorder/icons.h:28:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:48:26 | JdGordon | ? :'( |
| 08:48:41 | JdGordon | i even removed the entire working directoy and reconfigured it and still no good? |
| 08:48:57 | amiconn | rockboxlogo.h should be generated |
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| 08:49:07 | JdGordon | ye, thats why its so strane |
| 08:49:13 | JdGordon | morning LinusN |
| 08:49:17 | amiconn | Something's wrong with the dependencies |
| 08:49:28 | amiconn | ..at least for you |
| 08:49:54 | JdGordon | this isnt the first time its happeneed to me :'( |
| 08:51:22 | LinusN | JdGordon: moo |
| 08:51:25 | JdGordon | well anyway, with the patch ajbrec.ajz is 151826bytes.. it wont let me compile it without the patch, but that will give u some idea hopefully |
| 08:54:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: The size of rockbox.bin / rombox.ucl is what counts |
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| 08:55:26 | JdGordon | :'( didnt you say the a.jz file was important a while ago... all too confusing for me :p |
| 08:56:14 | amiconn | There are various different limits |
| 08:56:42 | amiconn | We are working around one of them by compressing the .ajz when it would be too large if uncompressed |
| 08:57:00 | JdGordon | k |
| 08:57:08 | amiconn | That's why the size of the recorder v1 .ajz doesn't tell much about the actual code size - it's compressed |
| 08:57:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: there are two limits that we are fighting: |
| 08:57:47 | LinusN | 1) the size of the flash (for flashed fw and rombox) |
| 08:57:51 | JdGordon | hmm.. yuk.. rockbox.bin increases by 96bytes |
| 08:58:14 | LinusN | 2) the size of the .ajz file, since the archos bootloader refuses to load firmware files larger than a specific size |
| 08:58:24 | JdGordon | okey dokey |
| 08:59:15 | LinusN | and of course the overall footprint, since the ram is only 2mbytes |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:54 | * | JdGordon goes hunting for those 96 bytes :p |
| 09:01:11 | Bg3r | hah |
| 09:01:24 | ravon | So, when will we see a Nintendo DS port? |
| 09:01:31 | Bg3r | with nonlcd remote there is no way to go up in the menu/filetree |
| 09:01:46 | daurn|laptop | JdGordon: just delete all 0s out of the file |
| 09:01:54 | daurn|laptop | they ARE worth nothing |
| 09:01:57 | JdGordon | ravon: 30min.... |
| 09:01:58 | daurn|laptop | just keep the 1s |
| 09:01:59 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 09:02:03 | ravon | JdGordon :D |
| 09:02:10 | amiconn | Code size and overall footprint is not only important for archos. The iFP has only 1MB RAM - and that must be sufficient not only for the core, but also for the codecs |
| 09:02:26 | daurn|laptop | iFP? |
| 09:02:34 | amiconn | Iriver iFP7xx |
| 09:02:34 | JdGordon | irivers flash player |
| 09:02:39 | daurn|laptop | ok |
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| 09:07:01 | Bg3r | JdGordon: commited |
| 09:07:14 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:08:12 | Bg3r | now only 13 ? :D |
| 09:08:22 | petur | nice FS closing comment ;) |
| 09:08:26 | JdGordon | no, i tihnk i misscounted.. still 14ish :p |
| 09:08:37 | Bg3r | haha |
| 09:09:04 | Bg3r | now someone should update the manual :D |
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| 09:11:24 | Bg3r | LinusN: any plans[time] for looking at/commiting the action stuff soon ? |
| 09:11:45 | LinusN | yes, i want to commit it asap |
| 09:11:57 | Bg3r | today ? :-[ |
| 09:12:12 | LinusN | have you tried the patch? |
| 09:12:19 | Bg3r | i haven't |
| 09:12:25 | Bg3r | but i will |
| 09:12:40 | Bg3r | JdGordon: the latest version is on the wiki, yep ? |
| 09:12:45 | JdGordon | yup |
| 09:16:16 | JdGordon | can someone commit the startup voluem patch? |
| 09:16:45 | JdGordon | fs#2685 |
| 09:17:31 | Bg3r | grrr, red |
| 09:18:07 | * | JdGordon knows what is i without even checking |
| 09:18:16 | JdGordon | its the lack of remote_type in the sim... |
| 09:18:26 | Bagder | it should be added to the sim |
| 09:18:30 | Bg3r | yep |
| 09:18:50 | Bg3r | suggested place ? |
| 09:19:37 | JdGordon | lcd-remote.c or whatever it is in firmware/ |
| 09:20:03 | JdGordon | or if the plan is for acitons to go in today dont worry about it coz its in that patch |
| 09:20:08 | Bagder | but the sim version should be in uisimulator/ |
| 09:20:28 | JdGordon | why? its just a #define to always return REMOTE_NONE |
| 09:21:01 | Bagder | why not make it possible to simulate different remotes? |
| 09:21:14 | JdGordon | althout that should be changed.. because the ui stuff shouldnt actually write to the lcd remote if its not there, but it is always there in the sim |
| 09:21:59 | Bagder | imho, as far as possible all functions should be provided for the sim as similar as possible as in the real thing |
| 09:23:21 | Bg3r | so ? |
| 09:24:08 | JdGordon | which means we should be able to "change" remote type in the sim.. but the only thing that would happen is the button mappings (which are not available int he sim anyway) get changed |
| 09:24:24 | Bg3r | yes |
| 09:24:28 | Bg3r | i don't see the reason ... |
| 09:24:33 | Bagder | I do |
| 09:24:50 | Bagder | by always returning no remote in the sim, poeple running the sim won't test the same thing |
| 09:24:58 | JdGordon | possibly to future proof it for when/if we get targets with completly different typs fo remotes |
| 09:24:58 | Bg3r | no no |
| 09:25:13 | Bg3r | why return no remote ? |
| 09:25:20 | Bagder | <JdGordon> why? its just a #define to always return REMOTE_NONE |
| 09:25:24 | Bg3r | let's just return h100 for the moment |
| 09:25:28 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I've just tried your settings patch on my ipod. The integer settings are not as bad as I thought they would be, but they still look odd... However, it's nice to see the whole range of values. |
| 09:25:29 | Bg3r | h100 remote |
| 09:25:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: :) |
| 09:26:00 | Bg3r | heh, i still prefer ints to be the old/current way |
| 09:26:19 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the ipod doesnt have pgup/dpwn in the list does it? because that makes it much nicer still |
| 09:26:56 | Bagder | Bg3r: I agree it can return h100-remote but I'd still rather see the function implemented as a function in uisimulator/ as then you won't need any #ifdef for that |
| 09:27:11 | linuxstb | No, but it should have better acceleration with the wheel at some point - meaning page-up/page-down isn't needed. |
| 09:28:25 | LinusN | −−remote=xxx |
| 09:28:34 | linuxstb | Bg3r: Maybe I'm getting a twisted view of the integer settings - I'm testing on a 5g with the default font, so am getting 28 numbers displayed on the screen. |
| 09:28:39 | Bg3r | LinusN: or runtime change |
| 09:28:46 | Bg3r | with a key |
| 09:29:02 | LinusN | even better |
| 09:29:20 | linuxstb | Bg3r: But I think my preference would still be a slider, with the min and max values as labels, so you can see the range. |
| 09:29:48 | Bg3r | linuxstb: yeah, maybe this will be the best choice |
| 09:30:01 | LinusN | i second that |
| 09:30:31 | * | JdGordon disagrees.. because its just adding more "fluff" and not really neeeded code.. |
| 09:30:44 | JdGordon | but ill still happily do it if thatst whats wanted |
| 09:31:41 | LinusN | one problem with a slider would be button inconsistency |
| 09:31:46 | linuxstb | Don't we already have a slider widget? |
| 09:31:47 | JdGordon | both would need need to be coded, because char cell couldnt use the slider anyway.. screen isnt big enough |
| 09:32:17 | linuxstb | LinusN: Not on the ipods - the wheel would still be used to move the slider.. But yes, it's a valid point on the other targets. |
| 09:32:28 | LinusN | int settings would use left/right to change when other settings up/down (except for the ipod) |
| 09:32:40 | linuxstb | Which would be a pain for blind users... |
| 09:32:43 | Bg3r | LinusN: why ? |
| 09:32:52 | LinusN | that is a sure way to drive the blind crew nuts :-) |
| 09:32:55 | Bg3r | we still can use "up" for going up |
| 09:33:01 | Bg3r | and "down" for going down |
| 09:33:17 | LinusN | Bg3r: wouldn't that feel awkward for sighted users? |
| 09:33:23 | JdGordon | linuxstb: but you have a visual representation in the list anyway.. the scrollbar is there |
| 09:33:38 | Bg3r | LinusN: depends .. |
| 09:33:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: ...if you have that option enabled |
| 09:33:47 | Bg3r | u press up and the value rises ... |
| 09:34:17 | JdGordon | LinusN: oh, you can turn it off? well if it is turned off its your own fault then :D |
| 09:34:20 | LinusN | Bg3r: that would be even more confusing |
| 09:34:24 | LinusN | wouldn't it? |
| 09:34:28 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You still can't see the min/max range for most integer settings though. And it's just not visually pleasing to see all the numbers... |
| 09:34:41 | linuxstb | Vertical slider? |
| 09:35:29 | Bg3r | LinusN: a matter of habbit :) |
| 09:35:33 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:35:40 | JdGordon | using the list for the ints is needed for the char cell anyway because only 2 rows isnt enough for the title value and slider.. so we can please everyone and make it selectable which window to use |
| 09:35:59 | Bg3r | hmmm |
| 09:36:05 | linuxstb | No, I wouldn't want an option for the options... |
| 09:36:16 | LinusN | i still think it's better with a list than it is today |
| 09:36:41 | JdGordon | linuxstb: what if its a hidden option? i.e only settable in the cfg file? |
| 09:37:00 | * | LinusN mumbles...optionitis... |
| 09:37:20 | linuxstb | Yes, so do I. I was surprised that scrolling speed doesn't seem to be much (if any) slower on my 5g with a full screen of numbers. But I guess that's because there is still relatively little text to draw (28 numbers with the default font) |
| 09:38:02 | LinusN | how optimized is the 5g lcd driver? |
| 09:38:25 | LinusN | and what happened to that guilist optimization patch? |
| 09:38:56 | Bg3r | any objections against putting the uisim's remote_type() in its button.c ? |
| 09:39:39 | linuxstb | LinusN: The lcd_update_rect() isn't the fastest in the world (I think test_fps gives about 38fps for a full-screen update), but I don't think we can increase the speed any more without finding a better way to write to the LCD. |
| 09:40:06 | linuxstb | And yes, the guilist patch should probably be committed. |
| 09:40:52 | | Part TomFelker |
| 09:41:01 | LinusN | maybe i should fire up idapro for real |
| 09:42:02 | linuxstb | Schematics of a 5g would also be useful.... But you probably don't want to sacrifice your player yet :) |
| 09:43:35 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 09:43:46 | LinusN | hehe |
| 09:46:02 | JdGordon | LinusN: so you said you want to commit actions asap.. whats stopping you? iv got nothing to do now untill dinner... |
| 09:46:48 | LinusN | my concern is that it breaks so many targets at once :-) |
| 09:46:55 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Is your settings patch on the patch tracker the latest version? (dated 13 August) |
| 09:47:07 | JdGordon | no, ive done minor adjustemnts |
| 09:47:14 | JdGordon | i can upload the latest now tho |
| 09:47:33 | LinusN | well, it doesn't break the builds, but it breaks the button mappings |
| 09:47:51 | linuxstb | Would anyone object to JdGordon's settings patch being committed? |
| 09:47:53 | LinusN | for example, the x5 resume starts in a paused state |
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| 09:48:09 | LinusN | linuxstb: i wouldn't |
| 09:48:53 | Rudy4Pez | What's the #? |
| 09:49:01 | JdGordon | 5795 |
| 09:49:40 | JdGordon | linuxstb: latest is up |
| 09:50:46 | Bg3r | it seems that today is JdGordon's day :D |
| 09:50:54 | Rudy4Pez | lol |
| 09:51:05 | Rudy4Pez | What exactly does the "list widget" do? |
| 09:51:16 | JdGordon | some int settings are using the wrong function so if the int settings do get changed to a slider they should be changed (the ones that have english as some of the values should use the formatter function to set the name, not the harcoded strings) |
| 09:51:26 | JdGordon | Bg3r: now 13 more :p |
| 09:51:47 | * | linuxstb wonders who has the most uncommitted patches on the tracker... |
| 09:52:08 | LinusN | the most disliked developer award :-) |
| 09:52:21 | * | Bagder nominates JdGordon ;-P |
| 09:52:22 | JdGordon | its me isnt it :'( *runs off to cry* |
| 09:54:17 | * | BHSPitMonkey consoles JdGordon |
| 09:54:32 | BHSPitMonkey | ouch, Bagder was even saying it |
| 09:55:03 | | Join anrdewmel [0] (n=andrewme@220-253-96-115.TAS.netspace.net.au) |
| 09:55:08 | JdGordon | thanks BHSPitMonkey, but they'll have to do more than just ignore my patches for me to stop annoying them :D |
| 09:56:12 | LinusN | yes, so now we have started insulting you |
| 09:56:23 | LinusN | let's see if that helps |
| 09:56:26 | JdGordon | oh :'( |
| 09:56:51 | * | JdGordon turns into a 13yrold script kiddy and starts trying to bring down the rockbox wiki again |
| 09:56:52 | | Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor4-ppp3002.bri.dsl.connect.net.au) |
| 09:57:00 | petur | again? |
| 09:57:21 | JdGordon | again as in them going down againa... not as in i brought it down last time... |
| 09:57:27 | anrdewmel | Hey all |
| 09:58:03 | anrdewmel | I have been reading the manual for the 5G and wanted to edit it a little. I have been reading the pdf version, and cannot find where to edit it. |
| 09:58:07 | LinusN | hey anrdew |
| 09:58:16 | anrdewmel | can anybody supply me with a link? |
| 09:58:27 | anrdewmel | Hey LinusN. |
| 09:58:29 | LinusN | it't in cvs |
| 09:58:58 | anrdewmel | Mostly what I have found is typos, and a couple of clumsy sentences. mostly it is of a very high standard. |
| 09:59:18 | LinusN | anrdewmel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto |
| 09:59:43 | anrdewmel | cheers LinusN :) |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:42 | LinusN | if you find it hard to work it out, just file a bug report with your suggested changes |
| 10:01:30 | Bagder | the manual team is usually very quick on adapting and replying to such |
| 10:02:53 | | Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 10:03:21 | anrdewmel | Thanks guys. While my writing style could use some work, I have done a fair bit of editing am good at finding bugs :) |
| 10:03:55 | anrdewmel | I think I will go for the bug report, especially as I can do multiple typos in one report |
| 10:04:56 | Bg3r | does anyone knows what causes this warning in the uisim build |
| 10:05:00 | Bg3r | ld: warning: creating a DT_TEXTREL in object. |
| 10:06:36 | LinusN | i have no idea |
| 10:07:06 | * | LinusN is watching elephant's dream on his x5 |
| 10:07:10 | Bg3r | hehehe:) |
| 10:07:33 | LinusN | looks really nice |
| 10:07:54 | JdGordon | why isnt that comp told to stop building the sim then? so we can go back to green tables (even if they do look boring?) |
| 10:07:54 | LinusN | i'm bad at reading lips though, so audio would be nice ;-) |
| 10:08:01 | * | safetydan throws in a vote for the settings patch from JdGordon |
| 10:08:10 | safetydan | Though I'm a bit late |
| 10:08:12 | Bagder | LinusN: but elephants' lips are really big! |
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| 10:08:54 | pondlife | Hmm, looks like one of my patches killed all non-mp3 playback if voice is enabled. |
| 10:09:10 | LinusN | yes, i wonder how and why |
| 10:09:16 | pondlife | I think I know |
| 10:09:40 | LinusN | oh? |
| 10:09:49 | pondlife | To allow thumbnails to be heard during playback, I removed some tests in tree.c. |
| 10:10:21 | pondlife | Reasonable in itself, , but it seems to have revealed an assumption elsewhere - that the MP3 codec is in use, perhaps? |
| 10:10:38 | LinusN | possibly |
| 10:10:57 | LinusN | but none of the reporters have mentioned anything about .talk clips |
| 10:11:24 | pondlife | No, but they all use voice, and there aren't really any other multi-platform mods in that area on the 1st August |
| 10:11:38 | pondlife | This is all based on gut feeling, not investigation, I should add! |
| 10:11:42 | pondlife | So far at least |
| 10:11:52 | LinusN | i'm slightly annoyed that we get so many bug reports where the reporter doesn't say anything about using the voice |
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| 10:12:11 | LinusN | pondlife: i have to admit that i suspected the same thing myself |
| 10:12:17 | pondlife | I wonder if we could just revert - http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/tree.c.diff?r1=1.418&r2=1.419 |
| 10:12:24 | LinusN | pondlife: try it |
| 10:12:31 | pondlife | Downside is we lose thumbnails during playback |
| 10:12:38 | pondlife | I can't repro the crash here at all. |
| 10:12:45 | pondlife | Have tried with an ogg or 2. |
| 10:12:47 | LinusN | or we find the reason that it hangs and fix it |
| 10:13:18 | pondlife | Yes, that would be better. But it would be nice to see if this is the cause before large-scale work |
| 10:13:24 | LinusN | true |
| 10:13:27 | pondlife | Can you make it hang? |
| 10:13:32 | LinusN | haven't tried |
| 10:13:41 | pondlife | Recipes indicate just playing an ogg from the browser should do it. |
| 10:14:00 | pondlife | I will ask for a config file from someone affected. |
| 10:14:04 | LinusN | yes, and no mention of using the voice functionality...grrr... |
| 10:14:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Patch #5795 committed... |
| 10:14:56 | JdGordon | woohoo! |
| 10:15:05 | petur | maybe we could ask/require that bugreports include a config file? |
| 10:15:18 | LinusN | JdGordon: so now you have to update the action patch :-) |
| 10:15:30 | LinusN | petur: a good idea |
| 10:15:31 | JdGordon | oh damn :'( |
| 10:15:44 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I would quite like to see how things like the directory browser and menu look with a title.... |
| 10:15:49 | JdGordon | what about 5338? and 5623? |
| 10:15:57 | * | linuxstb needs to go to work now. |
| 10:15:57 | LinusN | nag nag |
| 10:16:01 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:16:08 | * | petur has a day off |
| 10:16:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: really? i would have thought everyone would be against it, but thats coming in a patch soonish :D |
| 10:16:41 | * | petur wonders why free time gets taken away by real life immediatly :/ |
| 10:16:46 | LinusN | i want titles everywhere |
| 10:16:47 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm not saying I'm for it, just interested to see how it looks in practice. I would want it to be an option though. |
| 10:17:02 | LinusN | for example, the current dir in the browser |
| 10:17:08 | JdGordon | righto |
| 10:17:16 | LinusN | and menu titles |
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| 10:17:41 | LinusN | let the archor binary size EXPLODE! :-) |
| 10:17:44 | LinusN | archos |
| 10:18:09 | JdGordon | just dont let amiconn hear you :D |
| 10:18:20 | linuxstb | Now you've triggered him.... |
| 10:18:25 | * | petur discovers why the pcf driver vomits after using the eeprom driver |
| 10:18:37 | JdGordon | coz its elurgic to it... |
| 10:18:49 | LinusN | now that's creative spelling |
| 10:18:54 | JdGordon | :D |
| 10:19:25 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 10:19:38 | daurn|laptop | !google elurgic |
| 10:19:59 | daurn|laptop | 51 other people have made that speeeeeling mistake |
| 10:20:10 | JdGordon | how do u spell it? |
| 10:20:23 | daurn|laptop | lol: 'Im elurgic to onions . . . I like pie and grapes . My motto it " cross my heart and hope for pie ! ! ! "' |
| 10:20:33 | LinusN | "allergic" i guess |
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| 10:20:43 | daurn|laptop | allergic |
| 10:20:44 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 10:20:56 | keilj | hello all |
| 10:21:00 | pondlife | I'm assuming that http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5810 is another case of the same crash - sounds likely.... |
| 10:21:21 | tucoz | Could someone see if I got the mix-mode right. I think this is what Slasheri said yesterday. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/Diagram1.pdf |
| 10:23:13 | tucoz | But, if that is correct, does this mean that you have to set fade-out duration to something >0 in mix mode? (as the fade out duration is used to set the buffer size). |
| 10:23:52 | LinusN | might be... |
| 10:23:53 | safetydan | anyone working on fixing the sim? |
| 10:23:58 | keilj | preglow: im able to borrow my schools SPL meter to calibrate a player fo the plugin we talked about previously but as i said im not good on code and it will take a while to learn, any ideas on where to start |
| 10:24:14 | pondlife | safetydan: What's wrong with the sim? |
| 10:24:18 | Bg3r | safetydan: i am |
| 10:24:26 | pondlife | Ah |
| 10:24:27 | safetydan | pondlife, not compiling |
| 10:24:28 | Bg3r | fscking pastebin |
| 10:24:31 | pondlife | Gotcha |
| 10:24:36 | petur | it looks like inbetween two of my eeprom _read_ tests 2 bytes in it got modified |
| 10:24:57 | Bg3r | http://pastebin.com/768831 <= anyone opening this ? |
| 10:25:00 | * | petur spells 'read' to the driver |
| 10:25:14 | LinusN | petur: have you protected your i2c accesses by disabling the interrupts? |
| 10:25:19 | petur | yes |
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| 10:25:31 | safetydan | Bg3r, pastebin seems unhappy. it's timed out for me |
| 10:25:35 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:25:35 | LinusN | and no yields? |
| 10:25:38 | Bg3r | other pastebin ? |
| 10:25:38 | petur | LinusN: won't make that mistake twice ;) |
| 10:25:41 | daurn|laptop | ow |
| 10:25:44 | linuxstb | safetydan: I had the same problem yesterday - try pastebin.ca |
| 10:25:44 | petur | no yielding |
| 10:25:47 | Bg3r | i mean other pastebin site ? |
| 10:26:27 | Bg3r | linuxstb: 10x |
| 10:26:28 | petur | LinusN: but bytes get changed in it by CVS version too so it's not the eeprom driver I think |
| 10:26:29 | tucoz | Bg3r, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin |
| 10:26:32 | JdGordon | [17:47] <LinusN> for example, the x5 resume starts in a paused state <- do u mean returning to wps from the tree? |
| 10:26:42 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:26:50 | JdGordon | ok, i think ive found the bug |
| 10:27:08 | linuxstb | Has anyone else noticed the red builds? |
| 10:27:12 | LinusN | probably a missing screenchange call |
| 10:27:38 | JdGordon | { ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_PLAY, BUTTON_NONE }, is needed in the tree context mapping.. i dont think it is the screenchange, but it could be |
| 10:27:49 | LinusN | linuxstb: check the irc log at 10:24 |
| 10:28:20 | linuxstb | OK... |
| 10:28:41 | Bg3r | ok, so anyone against this approach: http://pastebin.ca/132354 (yeah, i know it's kind of ugly, but i didn't want to depend on REMOTETYPE_*'s values) |
| 10:30:07 | LinusN | Bg3r: looks ok to me |
| 10:30:30 | JdGordon | are you going to add the remote type seting from the command line? |
| 10:30:41 | tucoz | linuxstb, did you understand what Slasheri said about the mix-mode yesterday? |
| 10:30:50 | Bg3r | LinusN: the only thing is that it's in the uisim's button.c and the target func is in lcd-h100-remote.c file |
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| 10:31:59 | LinusN | Bg3r: it's ok for now |
| 10:32:02 | Bg3r | k |
| 10:33:45 | Bg3r | commited |
| 10:35:08 | flux__ | I recently got this terrific (atleast I like to think so ;-)) idea for a plugin for rockbox: a hearing test |
| 10:35:15 | flux__ | I don't think there's one around yet? |
| 10:36:38 | flux__ | it would be able to store the results, a spectrum, to the media, and allow easy followup comparisons |
| 10:36:51 | keilj | do you mean something that plays a sound at a certain frequency and u press a button if u can hear it? |
| 10:37:01 | flux__ | yes |
| 10:37:12 | flux__ | in a random fashion from either left or right |
| 10:37:13 | keilj | good idea |
| 10:37:22 | Bg3r | hehe |
| 10:37:40 | keilj | well u could make it work on each channel, ie. left first to test teh left ear and right second to test teh right |
| 10:37:59 | flux__ | well, I think the point is that you don't know what channel is being tested, so you can't press just for sure ;) |
| 10:38:03 | keilj | only problem is if people have bad headphones that only go from say 35Hz-28Hz] |
| 10:38:19 | keilj | sorry 18kHz* |
| 10:38:30 | safetydan | those would be really bad headphones :) |
| 10:38:42 | keilj | lol yeah |
| 10:39:03 | keilj | and if ur using rockbox u know what your doing and would probably have good headphones |
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| 10:39:10 | flux__ | I'm not sure if the ones at the doctor's are very high quality either ;) |
| 10:39:25 | petur | right. eeprom driver will be for tonight. later all |
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| 10:39:44 | flux__ | the advantage would be in comparing the results, I'd say, not in getting absolute reults |
| 10:40:28 | Bg3r | hm, maybe the "r" key is better for the remote type than "t" ? |
| 10:42:01 | safetydan | hrmm... file view with title looks a little odd in the root directory |
| 10:42:07 | safetydan | just a litte '/' at the top of the screen |
| 10:43:50 | JdGordon | replace it with "root" or something? |
| 10:44:12 | safetydan | Maybe blank or no title in root might be better |
| 10:44:13 | Bg3r | what's wrong with "/" ? :) |
| 10:44:17 | markun | I think / is ok |
| 10:44:29 | Bg3r | i second it |
| 10:44:58 | Bg3r | safetydan: it's centered, isn't it? |
| 10:45:04 | safetydan | yeah mostly |
| 10:45:16 | Bg3r | then now worries (imho) |
| 10:45:21 | Bg3r | s/now/no |
| 10:46:32 | safetydan | ah well, it'll be optional anyway |
| 10:46:39 | * | Zagor notes that Seagate claims to have 120GB 1.8" drives ready in december |
| 10:46:48 | JdGordon | wow! |
| 10:46:55 | JdGordon | thats gonna be bloody expensive |
| 10:47:12 | linuxstb | You could just have something like "File Browser" for the root title. |
| 10:47:20 | Zagor | maybe I can finally convert away from 2.5" drives then |
| 10:47:53 | linuxstb | Any idea if they are interchangable with the Toshiba 1.8" drives? i.e. the same physical size? |
| 10:48:19 | markun | Zagor: any news about the 60GB single platter drives? |
| 10:48:20 | Bagder | and don't the 1.8" ones come with two different connectors? |
| 10:48:40 | Bagder | I mean two kinds |
| 10:49:06 | linuxstb | You mean "one of two different kinds"... |
| 10:49:13 | Bagder | hehe, yes |
| 10:49:24 | Zagor | here is the article: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2006/tc20060811_995170.htm 120GB mention is right at the end |
| 10:49:27 | Bagder | one day I'll learn to write so people understand |
| 10:49:37 | Bagder | but it'll be in the distant future |
| 10:49:42 | linuxstb | I think we understood fine... |
| 10:49:54 | Zagor | "And we have this new opportunity in 1.8-inch drives, which is starting to grow for handheld video. Apple's iPod is one, but there are a lot of people putting out handheld video devices." |
| 10:50:50 | Zagor | "We did not have a drive for that business that will come in capacities of 60 and 120 GB, and so we will have one in the December quarter and we think that will be a nice little driver for us." |
| 10:50:58 | Bg3r | Bagder: if this calms you, u're coping with it better tahn me :D |
| 10:51:33 | markun | The product overview doesn't have many technical details http://www.seagate.com/products/consumer_electronics/st18_series.html |
| 10:52:19 | Zagor | no, this is a CEO interview so it's rather visionary. not much meat. |
| 10:52:29 | Zagor | i just like the prospect |
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| 10:53:47 | Bg3r | i bet this will be over 400USD in the beginning (if available at all) |
| 10:54:13 | LinusN | JdGordon: for some reason, the "Channels" setting doesn't have a title |
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| 10:54:51 | illogic-al | anyone up? |
| 10:55:20 | Bagder | ifconfig bagder0 up |
| 10:55:28 | JdGordon | LinusN: odd.. it looks ok, unless str(LANG_RECORDING_CHANNELS) is broken? |
| 10:55:29 | illogic-al | lol |
| 10:55:30 | Bagder | there |
| 10:56:01 | illogic-al | Has there been any updates to AAC playback on the H300? |
| 10:56:08 | LinusN | no |
| 10:57:12 | illogic-al | ah. okies. |
| 10:59:26 | safetydan | So what's a good name for a setting to turn on titles in the file browser? |
| 10:59:39 | JdGordon | titles in browser? |
| 10:59:56 | * | preglow kills flash |
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| 11:00:16 | JdGordon | safetydan: are you showing the entire path? or just the folder one level up? |
| 11:00:21 | safetydan | Entire path |
| 11:00:30 | safetydan | Will probably need putscroll |
| 11:00:45 | midkay | Path Display in Browser or something? |
| 11:00:50 | midkay | Show Path in Browser? |
| 11:01:02 | JdGordon | scrolling title is bad imo... it might look like its an actual option |
| 11:01:13 | JdGordon | can you add an option so it only shows one level up? |
| 11:01:40 | midkay | "Show Title in Browser" -> Off, Current Folder, Entire Path? |
| 11:01:52 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:01:54 | safetydan | yeah that might work |
| 11:02:15 | amiconn | LinusN: Is the default remote contrast ok on your X5? |
| 11:02:23 | amiconn | Because on mine, 35 is way too high |
| 11:02:43 | anrdewmel | My first task :) |
| 11:02:44 | anrdewmel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5815 |
| 11:02:49 | JdGordon | LinusN: the channel configuration setting has a title for me.. maybe its your translation |
| 11:04:05 | safetydan | JdGordon, I had the same problem with crossfeed settings remember? Though it seemed to go away for some reason |
| 11:04:09 | amiconn | I need 23 or 24 for proper display |
| 11:05:04 | JdGordon | safetydan: ye, im gonna guess its a translation problem.. |
| 11:06:22 | Bagder | anrdewmel: congratulations! ;-) |
| 11:06:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: Just a minor thing: The file browser title should be optional |
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| 11:06:54 | JdGordon | amiconn: safetydan is doing it and it looks like it will be |
| 11:07:00 | amiconn | ..and I suggest the option to be off by default for archoses (both charcell and bitmap), and on by default on other targets |
| 11:07:17 | safetydan | amiconn, really? |
| 11:07:20 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:07:24 | safetydan | Off by default is what I was going for. |
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| 11:07:35 | amiconn | aha |
| 11:07:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: the title is shown only if the entire string fits on the lcd |
| 11:08:00 | amiconn | Off by default is probably fine as well |
| 11:08:05 | safetydan | amiconn, principle of least surprise |
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| 11:08:35 | * | amiconn thinks the title thing will become a lot easier with the introduction of viewports |
| 11:08:53 | preglow | anyone working on that? :> |
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| 11:09:13 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, me, a little bit (in my head) |
| 11:09:29 | JdGordon | LinusN: ah! so it is.. thats odd.. must be the centering calc... should be easy to fix |
| 11:09:42 | LinusN | JdGordon: it should scroll... |
| 11:09:48 | amiconn | JdGordon: Center if it fits, and puts_scroll when it doesn't |
| 11:10:13 | JdGordon | safetydan: can you fix that in the titles patch? |
| 11:10:27 | amiconn | That's another idea I had for viewports. They will have a set of associated modes. One will be the text alignment |
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| 11:10:56 | keilj | hello again |
| 11:10:59 | safetydan | JdGordon, I thought you were bored? :) |
| 11:11:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 11:11:16 | JdGordon | hehe, im updating the actions for the new settings display |
| 11:11:24 | amiconn | So in the future you could just puts_scroll the title into the headline viewport, with the viewport mode set to centered text. |
| 11:12:03 | amiconn | This will also ease making the list adapt to rtl languages |
| 11:12:05 | keilj | im wondering if someone can help me. I would like to start writing plugins but have pretty much no programming experience. where should i start, ive read the rockbox site but i dont understand much. |
| 11:12:20 | keilj | are there any programs that i need or any free ebooks you can suggest? |
| 11:12:29 | JdGordon | you need to learn c |
| 11:13:05 | keilj | okies, and is there a difference between c and c# because ive seen them used and wasnt sure if theres a difference |
| 11:13:31 | Bagder | yes there's a difference, C# is messy and C is pure and divine ;-) |
| 11:14:11 | Bagder | keilj: pick a plugin and check the code try to figure out how it works |
| 11:14:27 | Bagder | there could be a point to attempt to write a simple plugin first |
| 11:14:58 | keilj | lol okies. do you know of any simple plugins in should chose |
| 11:15:03 | keilj | choose* |
| 11:15:08 | anrdewmel | to paraphrase budda via Badger, "I never C what has been done; I only what remains to be done. |
| 11:15:23 | Bg3r | keilj: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 11:15:26 | Bagder | keilj: pick a simple game you like and write that for example |
| 11:15:32 | anrdewmel | I never C what has been done; I only C what remains to be done. |
| 11:15:43 | keilj | cheers |
| 11:16:43 | safetydan | keilj, I believe there's a helloworld plugin that's as simple as it gets |
| 11:17:29 | keilj | okies, i will search for that, thanks |
| 11:18:58 | keilj | okies the tutorial is on the helloworld plugin |
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| 11:21:14 | keilj | and cygwin is what you suggest i get yes? |
| 11:22:51 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, i tinhk we are good to go... |
| 11:24:09 | dan_a | keilj: If you're running Windows, Cygwin should fairly easy. |
| 11:24:11 | Bg3r | JdGordon: with ? |
| 11:24:16 | JdGordon | actions... |
| 11:24:40 | Bg3r | ah |
| 11:24:43 | Bg3r | new ver ? |
| 11:25:02 | amiconn | LinusN: Talking about sizes - I have a local change that imho makes rockbox on archos look a bit better, and even brings down size a bit: An aspect corrected rockbox logo for the startup splash |
| 11:25:15 | JdGordon | uploading now... adds the new settigns, and hopefully fixes the x5 bug |
| 11:25:25 | LinusN | amiconn: good |
| 11:25:29 | dan_a | keilj: What sort of plugins are you wanting to write? |
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| 11:25:37 | amiconn | I'm interested in opinions, maybe I should provide a patch? |
| 11:26:20 | amiconn | The logo is now 112x30 instead of 112x37, which makes it have the correct aspect when viewed on the archos lcd |
| 11:27:34 | amiconn | And it saves 112 bytes because it's one pixel block row less high |
| 11:28:00 | midkay | then it probably looks nicer, right? |
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| 11:29:23 | safetydan | Right, about to commit an option to have title with the current or full path in the file view. Any objections? |
| 11:29:39 | keilj | dan_a: im not too sure, anything would be nice, a small game or something just to get me started |
| 11:29:45 | midkay | not from me, sounds nice :) |
| 11:29:52 | JdGordon | safetydan: did u fix the title not showing? |
| 11:29:57 | safetydan | JdGordon, not yet |
| 11:30:07 | safetydan | amiconn, what reason would someone not want the new image? |
| 11:30:08 | JdGordon | ok, ah damn, i was about to fix it.. but dinner |
| 11:30:57 | midkay | hm, a few problems with the list widget stuff.. |
| 11:30:59 | midkay | i like it though. |
| 11:31:14 | amiconn | safetydan: I dunno, that's why I want opinions. Maybe people are used to th eold look |
| 11:31:31 | dan_a | keilj: In that case, first look at the helloworld plugin. Make it write "Hello World" at the top left of the screen, then the bottom right. Then make it move when buttons are pressed. |
| 11:31:41 | keilj | okies |
| 11:33:01 | keilj | ive still got to learn c first and im getting a few ebooks to help me out |
| 11:33:08 | * | safetydan takes silence as concurrence |
| 11:34:34 | midkay | hm, i think it would be nice to indicate the current value in the settings list system.. like indent the currently-in-effect setting by a space or something. |
| 11:35:32 | amiconn | The cursor should be placed on the current value when entering |
| 11:36:32 | midkay | yes, but when you move around you might wonder "hm, what have i already got selected?".. |
| 11:36:36 | safetydan | midkay, we could use the icon support in the list widget to indicate the current value |
| 11:36:43 | midkay | currently you'd have to cancel out and re-enter to see that.. |
| 11:37:04 | midkay | yeah, that might be cool. |
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| 11:37:13 | midkay | an arrow next to the current one or something. |
| 11:37:50 | midkay | we already have that pointer icon, in fact. |
| 11:38:27 | midkay | i don't know why though - does anyone seriously use the pointer selection mode versus the line selector? the line selector saves space and is so much easier to see.. especially on larger screens. |
| 11:38:31 | keilj | just a qick question, with the hello world plgin it uses the function 'rb->splash(Hz*2, true, "Hello world")' where the Hz is i put the value of Hz as the CPU power in Hz right, as my plugins are for the H300 series it would be teh Hz of teh H300 CPU? |
| 11:38:54 | midkay | no, HZ there means one second.. the number of ticks to display the splash. |
| 11:39:37 | midkay | HZ*2 would be 2 seconds, HZ/2 would be half-second (HZ/4 = .25 second etc).. and "1" would be one tick (very very short). |
| 11:40:21 | midkay | make sure it's a capital "HZ" (not Hz), by the way. |
| 11:40:27 | amiconn | midkay: Most values change live, so the line where you are is always the current setting |
| 11:40:44 | midkay | change live? that's .. silly.. |
| 11:40:56 | midkay | in some places, at least. |
| 11:40:56 | amiconn | No, it's convenient |
| 11:41:05 | safetydan | midkay, think about volume for example |
| 11:41:06 | dan_a | keilj: You actually write in the program "HZ*2" and that makes it work on everything. |
| 11:41:08 | midkay | for sound settings, sure... |
| 11:41:15 | midkay | safetydan: right, in some places it makes sense. |
| 11:41:17 | keilj | ahh okies. and i was told to try and make it appear in teh center then the bottom left then bottom right etc. do i use some align functions or something to do that |
| 11:41:26 | amiconn | And lcd contrast, brightness... |
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| 11:42:19 | dan_a | keilj: Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 11:42:37 | amiconn | But you're still right; even though the value often changes live, you can revert to the old one by cancelling the setting |
| 11:42:57 | midkay | amiconn: right. playback modes might be iffy.. regardless, whether they are applied instantly or not, it'd still be nice to see where you were when you entered. |
| 11:43:18 | amiconn | Yes, because of the cancel feature |
| 11:43:31 | midkay | what's because of the cancel feature? |
| 11:43:56 | amiconn | It would be nice to see the initial value because of it |
| 11:44:32 | midkay | er, dunno about "because of it", but i'd just like to see it since otherwise i'd need to cancel out on the occasions i do want to see it.. |
| 11:46:21 | safetydan | oh sod |
| 11:46:32 | safetydan | didn't mean to commit those wm8758 changes |
| 11:46:46 | midkay | what were they? :o |
| 11:47:05 | safetydan | just renaming the eq register defines to be the same as the data sheet |
| 11:47:27 | midkay | ah. |
| 11:47:48 | midkay | are you who committed the 5G hardware eq? |
| 11:47:53 | safetydan | yup |
| 11:48:07 | midkay | cool. nice work. tried it earlier. :) |
| 11:48:14 | safetydan | Do the peak filters work for you? |
| 11:48:26 | midkay | two comments.. 1, it seemed to be on by default regardless that it was set "off". switching it "on" and then "off" again disabled it.. |
| 11:49:07 | midkay | 2, it'd be nice to get the graphical eq interface for it as well. |
| 11:50:00 | midkay | er, comment #2.5, i'd suggest dividing the EQ menu into like software EQ and hardware EQ submenus or giving the hardware EQ its own Sound Settings menu, it's kind of weird to have the Hardware EQ submenu within the Software EQ submenu. |
| 11:50:20 | midkay | peak filters, i don't know. i didn't fiddle with it much, just tweaked it a bit to see how it sounded. |
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| 11:51:22 | safetydan | hooking the graphical interface up is a bit tricky as it assumes the values available are continuous |
| 11:52:02 | midkay | you mean that there's always access to all the freq/Q values? |
| 11:52:41 | safetydan | no as in you can pick any value between 0 and 22500 for the cutoff/centre, but with the hardware one you can only pick 1 of 4 values |
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| 11:53:09 | midkay | oh, i see. i guess that'd have to be reworked to take variable range/increment values... |
| 11:53:22 | * | JdGordon wishes the screens struct help the number of chars the screen can hold so we dont have to calculate it every time |
| 11:53:31 | safetydan | I'm not sure about moving the menu around. I do agree it's a bit odd... but it fits under the general equalizer label |
| 11:53:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: That's not possible. Think about proportional fonts... |
| 11:54:10 | JdGordon | yes.. but i can wish cant i? :'( |
| 11:54:11 | midkay | safetydan: it does, it just feels weird that.. hm. it's like the software EQ is all laid out under "Equalizer" and the hardware EQ is laid out in its own submenu.. inconsistent. |
| 11:54:27 | JdGordon | anyway, the idea was to have the title centered if it fits, or scroll if it doesnt? |
| 11:54:35 | JdGordon | and the same on char cell? |
| 11:54:44 | safetydan | midkay, actually it'd have to support variable step size because the steps between each supported frequency in a band in the hardware eq aren't the same |
| 11:54:59 | midkay | i'd suggest Equalizer -> Software EQ and Equalizer -> Hardware EQ but since it's only two options I think it'd work well as just Sound Settings -> Software EQ and Sound Settings -> Hardware EQ. |
| 11:55:04 | * | keilj is attempting to learn c instead of doing his maths investigaton thats due tomorow which he hasnt started yet |
| 11:55:14 | * | keilj is an idiot |
| 11:55:14 | midkay | that also eliminates extra hassle when there's no hardware eq present. |
| 11:55:16 | JdGordon | hha keilj |
| 11:55:18 | midkay | haha. |
| 11:55:33 | safetydan | midkay, you talked me in to it :) |
| 11:55:35 | midkay | safetydan: ah, complicated stuff :) |
| 11:55:37 | midkay | haha. |
| 11:55:45 | midkay | i tend to do that to people ;D |
| 11:55:55 | safetydan | JdGordon, yeah centered then scrolling if it's too big |
| 11:56:44 | midkay | while we're on the subject - the "back/rewind" button no longer exits settings screens. |
| 11:56:50 | midkay | i think it was broken with the list widget update. |
| 11:56:55 | midkay | on iPod, that is.. |
| 11:58:32 | safetydan | midkay, yes that's an unfortunate side effect of that patch |
| 11:58:45 | midkay | side effect, not bug? |
| 11:58:51 | midkay | it's quite an important thing IMO.. |
| 11:58:58 | tucoz | anrdewmel, thanks for the bugreport. I'll see if I can get it fixed now. |
| 11:58:59 | midkay | what's the problem? |
| 11:59:11 | safetydan | midkay, JdGordon was lazy |
| 11:59:39 | midkay | dammit, JdGordon... if that's not fixed by tomorrow... :) |
| 11:59:55 | JdGordon | it might be.. up to linus when he wants to commit actions.. |
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| 12:00:15 | midkay | LinusN! wake up! commit "actions"! |
| 12:00:15 | midkay | :) |
| 12:00:42 | JdGordon | the downside there tho is that actions will quite likely cause some headaches... |
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| 12:01:22 | midkay | :\ |
| 12:01:26 | * | amiconn doesn't like headaches |
| 12:01:37 | midkay | just another case of JdGordon rushing his code. as expected. :) |
| 12:01:39 | JdGordon | change that to teething problems |
| 12:01:44 | midkay | thankfully i didn't commit that crap earlier! |
| 12:01:50 | JdGordon | haha midkay |
| 12:04:09 | Bg3r | JdGordon: latest ver in the wiki ? |
| 12:04:15 | JdGordon | yup |
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| 12:07:03 | JdGordon | alrighty.. title cenetring is done |
| 12:07:59 | midkay | JdGordon: onto the keymapping fixes...! |
| 12:08:03 | keilj | when writing #include "plugin.h" do i replace plugin.h with 'name of plugin.h' or does it stay as plugin.h |
| 12:08:13 | midkay | it stays. |
| 12:08:14 | JdGordon | it stays |
| 12:08:31 | JdGordon | midkay: the keymappings are done... just waiting for commitment.. |
| 12:08:38 | midkay | commitment. haha. |
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| 12:10:24 | keilj | and its easy to use the simulator to test plugins right? |
| 12:10:25 | JdGordon | fs 5817 fixes the title centering... |
| 12:10:30 | JdGordon | yup |
| 12:10:42 | keilj | okies |
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| 12:10:57 | safetydan | keilj, reasonbly easy. You just have to remember to type "make && make install" to compile and install your plugins in the simulator |
| 12:11:16 | tucoz | anrdewmel, I don't understand what I should do here: 2.3.3. Update now, add full stop to end of first sentence. |
| 12:11:41 | JdGordon | midkay: if you've got nothing to do.... commiit 2685? |
| 12:12:00 | midkay | if i had vmware set up properly. |
| 12:12:19 | keilj | safetydan: where do i type that in? |
| 12:12:24 | midkay | and if it wasn't a JdGordon patch. |
| 12:12:25 | midkay | :) |
| 12:12:26 | JdGordon | :( |
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| 12:13:40 | safetydan | keilj, how have you been compiling things so far? You would type that on the command line. |
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| 12:19:00 | JdGordon | if the lcd remote isnt connected would there be a performace increase in not sending data to it to be drawn? |
| 12:19:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:19:27 | Bagder | probably even a noticable one |
| 12:20:02 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 12:21:52 | JdGordon | is it likely NB_SCREENS will ever go over 2? |
| 12:22:10 | Bagder | no |
| 12:22:17 | keilj | heres a really unrelated question but you all seem to be a smart bunch. battlefield 2 uses a certain port to play online i think, if i use portforwarding on this then should that decrease my ping? |
| 12:22:18 | preglow | who knows, perhaps with a remote and a tv out :-) |
| 12:22:23 | safetydan | midkay, the menu's been moved |
| 12:22:27 | linuxstb_ | On ipods, you could potentially have the main LCD, the TV-Out and an LCD remote... |
| 12:22:40 | Bagder | ah yes |
| 12:22:49 | midkay | safetydan: cool. thanks :) |
| 12:22:52 | * | linuxstb_ is slower than preglow this morning... |
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| 12:23:10 | * | preglow has had plenty of coffee |
| 12:23:12 | * | linuxstb_ blames the fact that preglow is now in the afternoon. |
| 12:23:31 | preglow | haha |
| 12:23:39 | safetydan | JdGordon, is it a noticeable decrease in speed if you use getstringsize to do the title centering properly? |
| 12:23:47 | * | safetydan thinks the label centering still looks odd |
| 12:23:50 | midkay | safetydan: were you gonna revert that unwanted change, by the way, or is it kind of a "whatever" trivial change.. |
| 12:24:00 | safetydan | midkay, whatever |
| 12:24:03 | tucoz | anyone understand what I should do here? 4.2 Bass first sentence should read, "This emphasizes or suppresses the lower (bass) sounds....". Decapitalise the word "bass". |
| 12:24:09 | JdGordon | safetydan: i didnt try |
| 12:24:18 | midkay | safetydan: k, just wanted to remind you in case you forgot :) |
| 12:24:25 | linuxstb_ | preglow: BTW, I've discovered that if I leave my house, my new portable DAB/MP3 player can pick up the BBC's multiplex. So I'm definitely going to keep it, and hope for a future firmware upgrade to appear... |
| 12:24:39 | tucoz | The word bass isn't capitalized |
| 12:24:45 | JdGordon | safetydan: putting the length check in the title init functio means its ok to have it a bit sloppy, because its not called for every redraw |
| 12:24:52 | preglow | linuxstb_: weird... |
| 12:25:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: rockbox it... |
| 12:25:08 | tucoz | nevermind |
| 12:25:15 | linuxstb_ | preglow: OK, give me a minute... |
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| 12:25:50 | preglow | there's already a firmware on it, so it can't be impossible, right? |
| 12:25:56 | preglow | by looking at the existing one, a quick port should be able to be done |
| 12:26:06 | preglow | unless you're braindead, that is |
| 12:26:14 | linuxstb_ | That's my problem - I can't find the firmware... |
| 12:27:07 | mirak | salut |
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| 12:27:53 | preglow | you need to hack the flash |
| 12:28:09 | preglow | use a screwdriver |
| 12:28:36 | linuxstb_ | Well, the flash is on a handy daughterboard... So If I had any kind of hardware skills, I could do that. |
| 12:28:43 | daurn|laptop | you need to hack the screwdriver first!!! |
| 12:28:50 | daurn|laptop | use a set of pliers |
| 12:29:21 | linuxstb_ | The daughterboard also has space on the reverse-side for another 1GB flash chip... |
| 12:29:29 | * | JdGordon hopes his bool logic and ()'s are correct |
| 12:29:29 | preglow | daurn|laptop: good point |
| 12:29:37 | JdGordon | how does this look... |
| 12:29:42 | webguest22 | Does the FM radio need a special initialization? I tried to set up FM screen after startup by calling radio_screen() in tree.c. The FM screen shows up but there's no sound. I Use H1xx. |
| 12:29:47 | JdGordon | #define FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) for(i = 0; (i < NB_SCREENS) && \ |
| 12:29:51 | JdGordon | ((i!=SCREEN_REMOTE) || ((i==SCREEN_REMOTE) && \ |
| 12:29:55 | JdGordon | (remote_type()==REMOTETYPE_H300_LCD) || \ |
| 12:29:55 | JdGordon | (remote_type()==REMOTETYPE_H100_LCD) \ |
| 12:29:56 | JdGordon | ) \ |
| 12:29:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 12:29:56 | JdGordon | ) ; i++) |
| 12:29:56 | JdGordon | #endif |
| 12:30:17 | preglow | linuxstb_: some of the batshit crazy mame people have already started to crack open chips to look at them, perhaps you could do the same and extract the bit pattern that way |
| 12:30:28 | Damme | hmm, trying to mount the bootpartition, ripped it of my ipod video, but I think the header is stopping me ,, mount -o loop bootpartition.bin /mnt/temp -t msdos |
| 12:30:32 | linuxstb_ | Ah yes, my toy microscope will help... |
| 12:30:54 | preglow | take the chip out on the street and ask nasa to hubble it for you |
| 12:31:01 | linuxstb_ | Damme: Why would you want to do such a thing? The bootpartition isn't a normal filesystem. |
| 12:31:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:31:15 | * | preglow is feeling helpful today |
| 12:31:22 | Damme | linuxstb isn't it ? thought someone said is was a fat16 :) |
| 12:31:28 | linuxstb_ | The apple_sw_5g_rsrc.bin file is a FAT16 filesystem though |
| 12:31:33 | Damme | aha |
| 12:31:50 | JdGordon | Bg3r: can u test this in the sim? |
| 12:32:01 | linuxstb_ | And yes, you'll probably need to strip a header from it - maybe 0x200 (512) bytes. |
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| 12:32:12 | Bg3r | JdGordon: which one ? |
| 12:32:22 | Bg3r | sorry, didn't follow the conversation |
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| 12:33:00 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Seriously, your suggestion of accessing the flash directly outside the device sounds feasible.. But just not for me. |
| 12:33:04 | tucoz | Should I capitalize Vorbis? |
| 12:33:15 | linuxstb_ | Check Xiph's website... |
| 12:33:17 | tucoz | the V that is |
| 12:33:52 | linuxstb_ | But if we're capitalising Ipod according to rules of English, we should probably do the same for Vorbis. |
| 12:33:54 | tucoz | looks like it |
| 12:34:24 | bluebrother | tucoz: as we capitalize manufacturer names I'd say capitalize Vorbis too. |
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| 12:34:38 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. You are right |
| 12:35:05 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you think it's ok to insert a \\ to get a line break before a \fname{...}? |
| 12:35:23 | tucoz | or should we solve that with the fname macro somehow? |
| 12:35:29 | bluebrother | why should we need to insert a line break before a fname? |
| 12:35:50 | tucoz | because otherwise the fname will be in the margin |
| 12:35:57 | bluebrother | I can't leave menus with left anymore :( |
| 12:36:07 | * | JdGordon runs away |
| 12:36:34 | bluebrother | I also don't like the path to be centered. |
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| 12:38:38 | bluebrother | disabling "show path" doesn't work for me. Need to rolo ... |
| 12:39:02 | bluebrother | also, when showing only the current dir it shouldn't get a / prepended. |
| 12:40:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not drawing on the remote when it's not connected is a BAD idea - unless you keep track what you didn't draw |
| 12:40:26 | amiconn | The remote can be hot-plugged |
| 12:40:37 | bluebrother | bbl. |
| 12:40:56 | JdGordon | my quick bandaid solution isnt really workable |
| 12:41:31 | JdGordon | redefinig FOR_NB_SCREENS,,, it proably needs to be done by the lcd drawing code, but that means we still waste time setting up the drawing |
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| 12:43:40 | amiconn | The remote drawing doesn't take that much time |
| 12:43:58 | amiconn | And redefining FOR_NB_SCREENS doesn't solve the hotplug problem |
| 12:44:25 | keilj | so is cygwin just a compiler or an editor aswell, mine doesnt do anything when i double click it, i also downloaded vim |
| 12:44:48 | amiconn | If you plug in the remote after being in a screen for a while, the remote would show nothing first, and then gradually show parts of the content |
| 12:44:55 | amiconn | -> bad |
| 12:45:08 | amiconn | And in your logic you forgot the X5 |
| 12:45:32 | JdGordon | ye, bger says if you hotplug it the lists get out of sync, which makes sense with the list not being initialised for the remote.. |
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| 12:46:13 | Bg3r | haha the sim battery went flat :D |
| 12:46:24 | Bagder | keilj: cygwin is a whole environment |
| 12:46:28 | Bg3r | miracle! |
| 12:47:42 | keilj | Badger: i followed instructions but when i try and run it it doesnt do anything, im using Windows XP |
| 12:47:51 | Bagder | then you did wrong |
| 12:47:59 | Bagder | it should pop up a command prompt window |
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| 12:54:33 | Damme | bah! my ipod rebooted then I was filling it with songs,, if thinks it's a 4TB disk now, and some songs are 100GB big :p |
| 12:54:44 | Damme | it thinks* |
| 12:55:00 | mirak | linuxstb: is there some tasklist for video playback and codec improvement ? |
| 12:55:17 | linuxstb_ | mirak: Nothing written down... |
| 12:55:34 | mirak | linuxstb: and oraly |
| 12:55:56 | mirak | linuxstb: I mean verbaly, |
| 12:56:10 | keilj | ok ive written the helloworld plugin in a program called vim. i can save it as a text file but im not too sure how to compile. ive read arnd a bit but im siff not too sure |
| 12:56:23 | keilj | around* |
| 12:56:26 | keilj | still* |
| 12:56:55 | Bagder | keilj: you have the rockbox source and can compile it? |
| 12:58:29 | keilj | well im not too sure what you mean but im going to use teh simulator to test it. i installed cygwin butit doesnt seem to run at all. im guessing i have to download teh rockbox source from the rockbox site first? |
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| 12:58:52 | Bagder | keilj: step 1 is to be able to build rockbox, as it is |
| 12:58:59 | Bagder | be it simulator or for target |
| 12:59:04 | JdGordon | safetydan: some hardware eq changes got commited with the directory title commit? was that accidental? |
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| 12:59:28 | safetydan | JdGordon, yes it was an accident. Those changes have no effect though and would have been comitted eventually. |
| 12:59:38 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:59:56 | JdGordon | just making sure you knew they got added |
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| 13:00:03 | linuxstb_ | mirak: There are basically two areas of work: 1) Optimise the hell out of the video decoding and lcd_yuv_blit function; 2) Implement the rest of the high-level stuff a video player needs - buffering, parsing/demixing a container format, audio decoding, seeking etc. |
| 13:00:42 | mirak | lcd_yuv_blit what is the matter with this function ? |
| 13:00:55 | linuxstb_ | It needs to be made as fast as possible. |
| 13:01:00 | mirak | it's a rockbox function or a codec function ? it's just about drawing to screen ? |
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| 13:01:36 | linuxstb_ | It's a new Rockbox function which converts an image from YUV to the native RGB format for the LCD, and writes that image to the LCD hardware. |
| 13:02:01 | linuxstb_ | You use it instead of writing to lcd_framebuffer and then calling lcd_update(). |
| 13:02:14 | linuxstb_ | (it bypasses lcd_framebuffer) |
| 13:02:54 | mirak | ok |
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| 13:05:07 | keilj | ok well ive installed cygwin and when i double click the exe it flashes a cmd screen for a split second then does nothing after that, an ideas what i did wrong |
| 13:05:23 | keilj | or is it supposed to do that? |
| 13:05:33 | linuxstb_ | Which exe? Shouldn't there be a "cygwin.bat" file? |
| 13:05:33 | Bagder | its not supposed to do that |
| 13:07:25 | keilj | ok i found a MS-Dos batch file calledcygwin and when i double click that it does the same thing |
| 13:07:44 | daurn|laptop | keilj: you should just be using cygwin.bat |
| 13:07:44 | keilj | and thats in c:/cygwin wherer i installed it to |
| 13:08:19 | keilj | shouldnt that be found in teh file i installed it to |
| 13:08:44 | keilj | which is c:/cygwin |
| 13:08:52 | daurn|laptop | yes |
| 13:09:00 | linuxstb_ | keilj: It sounds like the installation didn't finish properly. Do you have a Cygwin menu in your Start->Programs menu? |
| 13:09:55 | keilj | yes, and in that folder there is a file called cygwin Bash shell |
| 13:10:02 | keilj | and thats all |
| 13:11:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:12:42 | keilj | this is all turning out to be even more difficult than what i thought it would be |
| 13:13:15 | linuxstb_ | If I was you, I would re-run the Cygwin setup program. It should just work... |
| 13:15:26 | keilj | ok just to make sure, im at teh screen that i have to select the packages to install from the rockbox site. i must have them set as Install or Default, which one, or is it something completely different to that |
| 13:16:08 | * | amiconn has ideas for lcd_yuv_blit() |
| 13:16:19 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: General ideas, or Coldfire ideas? |
| 13:16:22 | * | amiconn has way more ideas than time :/ |
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| 13:16:28 | amiconn | General ideas |
| 13:16:34 | linuxstb_ | Share some ideas, maybe others will implement... |
| 13:18:00 | keilj | im at the screen that i have to select the packages to install from the rockbox site. i must have them set as Install or Default, which one, or is it something completely different to that |
| 13:18:09 | keilj | this is in cygwin |
| 13:18:18 | Bagder | keilj: you installed all the other packages fine? |
| 13:18:42 | keilj | i think so |
| 13:18:53 | Bagder | then install these ones |
| 13:19:13 | Bagder | not that lack of these last ones should cause the problems you got |
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| 13:22:34 | dongs | lol is gaim crashing on load for anyone else |
| 13:23:43 | JdGordon | safetydan: ive fixed the title centering so it actually works properly now.. also, ive changed it so it doesnt show the / before directories (unless u are in /) because it looks wrong |
| 13:24:09 | safetydan | bah, I've just done the same thing :) |
| 13:24:18 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:24:20 | JdGordon | haha, damn, ok |
| 13:24:31 | Damme | damn checkdisk is slow over usb :) it have been working for 1h not, and phase2 50% :P (30gb ipod) |
| 13:24:34 | safetydan | let's see your patch then |
| 13:25:03 | JdGordon | fs 5817 |
| 13:25:11 | | Part keilj |
| 13:25:12 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12162 |
| 13:26:05 | JdGordon | scrolling titles doesnt work so well.. |
| 13:28:48 | JdGordon | how much of a PITA is adding title to menus going to be? |
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| 13:37:30 | amiconn | JdGordon: I'd rather keep the leading / ... |
| 13:37:45 | JdGordon | it looks wrong... |
| 13:38:02 | JdGordon | if you see /blaa you expect to be in /blaa no /asdf/fd/blaa |
| 13:39:10 | amiconn | I'd expect to see the full path... |
| 13:39:30 | amiconn | (scrolling if it doesn't fit otherwise) |
| 13:39:32 | JdGordon | no, i only removed te leading / if you are only showing the curent directoy |
| 13:39:43 | JdGordon | if your showing the full path nothing changed |
| 13:40:04 | amiconn | Ah, it's selectable |
| 13:40:08 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:40:12 | * | amiconn can't check it out right now |
| 13:41:10 | JdGordon | adding titles to menus is absolutly heaps of work, and i cant see a way to do it that wont make re-arranging items later-on very annoying |
| 13:41:25 | dongs | i wanna fork rockbox |
| 13:41:25 | JdGordon | so is it wanted? or not bother? |
| 13:41:30 | dongs | and get rid of gay platforms |
| 13:41:32 | dongs | who's with me? |
| 13:41:37 | LinusN | dongs: go a head |
| 13:41:41 | JdGordon | bugger off dongs |
| 13:41:48 | dongs | JdGordon: what |
| 13:42:01 | JdGordon | LinusN is baaack :D commit actions :D |
| 13:42:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think it would be very neat |
| 13:42:50 | LinusN | has anyone else but me tried the action patch? |
| 13:43:02 | JdGordon | your the only one that counts :D |
| 13:43:12 | JdGordon | i have, u have, ... |
| 13:43:59 | LinusN | JdGordon: what about this: |
| 13:44:01 | LinusN | - static const unsigned char *nsec_units[] = { "ns", "µs", "ms" }; |
| 13:44:01 | LinusN | + static const unsigned char *nsec_units[] = { "ns", "s", "ms" }; |
| 13:44:31 | LinusN | you have changed "µs" so "s" |
| 13:44:34 | LinusN | to |
| 13:44:47 | JdGordon | bugger.. sorry, i forgot to remove the 3 accidents before uploading.. its coz kate doesnt do unicode |
| 13:44:49 | * | preglow sings the utf8 blues |
| 13:44:54 | preglow | kate doesn't do unicde???? |
| 13:44:57 | preglow | remarkable |
| 13:45:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: then use an editor that does |
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| 13:45:16 | JdGordon | or diff.. or something... its that and 2 (c) notices |
| 13:45:29 | preglow | diff most certainly doesn't care |
| 13:45:40 | LinusN | the least you can expect from an editor is that it doesn't mess with the files |
| 13:45:46 | Bagder | clearly diff could show that sign ;-) |
| 13:46:09 | * | LinusN hugs emacs |
| 13:46:17 | theli_ua | amiconn, i've measured fps on mini with grayscale in zxbox .. its about 16.2 fps against 41 fps in 2bpp mode :( |
| 13:46:46 | LinusN | i don't care if the editor shows the correct unicode or not, but it should definitely not change anything in the file when i save it |
| 13:47:04 | JdGordon | i dunno.. i cant find the option for utf-8 anywhere... |
| 13:47:13 | * | LinusN hugs emacs again |
| 13:47:53 | JdGordon | so whatcha reckon? is it gonna happen tonight? |
| 13:48:30 | LinusN | i hope to be able to commit it in a few moments |
| 13:48:47 | JdGordon | cool |
| 13:49:02 | LinusN | and then you and i will get hundreds of complaints in this channel from all the devs that haven |
| 13:49:05 | * | JdGordon starts a complaint thread on the forums |
| 13:49:08 | LinusN | 't tried the patch |
| 13:49:37 | LinusN | and didn't participate in the discussions |
| 13:49:55 | JdGordon | .. so its their own fault :D |
| 13:50:39 | * | preglow hugs vim |
| 13:50:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: The µ isn't Unicode. It's plain iso8859-1 |
| 13:50:51 | * | safetydan hugs gedit and vim |
| 13:51:25 | amiconn | theli_ua: Did you try buffered mode as well? |
| 13:51:28 | preglow | action thing is getting commited? |
| 13:51:52 | LinusN | preglow: very soon, i hope |
| 13:51:56 | * | preglow hasn't tried the patch or followed the discussions :> |
| 13:52:18 | JdGordon | LinusN: can u link to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.0 in the commit message? |
| 13:52:28 | JdGordon | hopefully that will make things easier |
| 13:52:46 | LinusN | let's hope so |
| 13:53:07 | JdGordon | and possibly lock it untill you do actually commit it? |
| 13:53:28 | * | Bagder locked |
| 13:53:53 | JdGordon | ta |
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| 13:54:19 | LinusN | so, are we ready for button mapping mayhem? |
| 13:54:33 | * | Bagder prepares to dig a deep hole |
| 13:54:47 | * | JdGordon prepares his run-away-from-home kit |
| 13:55:47 | LinusN | i suspect the worst problems might be on the Player, Ondio and iPod |
| 13:55:53 | preglow | why? |
| 13:56:07 | LinusN | because they have "odd" buttons |
| 13:56:17 | JdGordon | ipod should be fine, i tested on a 4g late last week... |
| 13:56:22 | LinusN | good |
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| 13:59:08 | JdGordon | haha, the thread already has had 9 views |
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| 14:00:14 | theli_ua | amiconn, not yet |
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| 14:03:30 | * | daurn|laptop kububtus your ass |
| 14:06:40 | amiconn | LinusN: None of the archoses has 'odd' buttons. The player and Ondios have 6, and the recorder has 10. However, the irivers and ipods have odd buttons ;) |
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| 14:08:31 | safetydan | Now would be a bad time to commit the list title centering and / stripping fix right? |
| 14:08:57 | daurn|laptop | odd? |
| 14:09:37 | JdGordon | safetydan: silence means no :D |
| 14:09:51 | safetydan | JdGordon, probably :) |
| 14:10:04 | safetydan | though it's not your version of the patch, it's mine |
| 14:10:17 | daurn|laptop | oh |
| 14:10:19 | daurn|laptop | amiconn: archos gmini 400 & 402 have 11 buttons - YOU LOSE :P |
| 14:10:21 | JdGordon | your only stripping the / for the current directory right? |
| 14:10:27 | safetydan | JdGordon, yes |
| 14:10:32 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:10:32 | safetydan | and only for directories under root |
| 14:10:44 | safetydan | gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, strrchr(tc.currdir, '/') + |
| 14:10:44 | safetydan | (tc.dirlevel > 0 ? 1 : 0)); |
| 14:10:46 | safetydan | basically |
| 14:10:58 | JdGordon | righto |
| 14:11:17 | safetydan | though I wonder if I should be paranoid and use sizeof(char) instead of 1 |
| 14:11:34 | JdGordon | that may not work... tc.dirlevel can go wierd.. |
| 14:11:49 | safetydan | How's that then? |
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| 14:12:45 | JdGordon | changing from id3-> dir can stuff it up. but should be ok |
| 14:12:55 | JdGordon | also, it always displays / int he id3 browser.. |
| 14:13:02 | safetydan | ooo... tag cache... haven't even looked at that yet |
| 14:13:34 | amiconn | daurn|laptop: The gmini 400 isn't supported by rockbox |
| 14:14:22 | daurn|laptop | amiconn: it should be ;) |
| 14:14:41 | Bagder | daurn|laptop: go go go |
| 14:14:56 | JdGordon | daurn|laptop walked straight into that :p |
| 14:15:02 | amiconn | safetydan: How about gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, tc.dirlevel > 0 ? strrchr(tc.currdir, '/') + 1 : "/"); |
| 14:15:11 | amiconn | Saves the strrchr call for the root |
| 14:15:14 | daurn|laptop | Bagder: ? |
| 14:15:36 | Bagder | do the port |
| 14:16:32 | daurn|laptop | why? |
| 14:16:40 | daurn|laptop | well |
| 14:16:42 | safetydan | amiconn, good idea |
| 14:16:47 | daurn|laptop | i was going to once |
| 14:16:53 | daurn|laptop | but i didn't |
| 14:16:58 | daurn|laptop | had too much other stuff to do |
| 14:17:55 | daurn|laptop | and i have no urge to anymore |
| 14:18:54 | safetydan | I think I'll disable the title string for tagcache view |
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| 14:24:42 | JdGordon | safetydan: probably a good idea.. we can leave that to Slasheri :D |
| 14:25:05 | safetydan | yeah tagcache would have to set tc.currdir to something sensible for it to work right |
| 14:25:29 | theli_ua | amiconn, can you, please , explain how to work in buffered mode in grayscale? |
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| 14:26:33 | safetydan | This title thing also sort of solves the "Hey why is my screen blank" problem. |
| 14:27:11 | * | LinusN does a major commit-and-run |
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| 14:28:12 | JdGordon | safetydan: you should be checking for !id3db before setting the title... |
| 14:28:33 | jsMikeS | No shite it's more that 24hrs a day |
| 14:28:47 | JdGordon | haha jsMikeS |
| 14:29:02 | Damme | hmm, wierd, Then I boot up my ipod I get a box saying "No files" and I cant do nothing .. |
| 14:29:13 | safetydan | JdGordon, eh? |
| 14:29:21 | preglow | won't this code also ease coding custom key mappings by a bit? :> |
| 14:29:37 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Stop giving JdGordon evil ideas... |
| 14:29:37 | jsMikeS | It's a way of life...how 'bout a rockbox monestary in Tibet? |
| 14:29:41 | Bagder | preglow: shhhh |
| 14:29:41 | JdGordon | preglow: yes, |
| 14:29:44 | safetydan | shh... don't tell people |
| 14:30:25 | JdGordon | safetydan: before line 350.. it should ceck for (!id3db) so that title code isnt called if we are in the id3 browser.. |
| 14:30:46 | jsMikeS | lcd_yuv_blit and other related changes: FS #5816 — X5 lcd_yuv_blit ASM |
| 14:31:11 | JdGordon | preglow: dont tell anyone.. but the action patch now has a secret setting which disables the annoying hold l/r scrolling patch that was commited a few days ago |
| 14:31:21 | safetydan | JdGordon, but... it does check and not set the title in id3db mode |
| 14:31:29 | preglow | JdGordon: i think that should be reverted anyway |
| 14:31:40 | preglow | it makes browsing feel so... sticky... |
| 14:31:47 | safetydan | JdGordon, or are you saying merge the title stuff in to the if block above |
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| 14:33:31 | safetydan | yup, tc.dirlevel isn't reliable after exiting tagcache view |
| 14:33:50 | JdGordon | grr.. pastebin is being gay.... |
| 14:33:53 | JdGordon | if (!id3db) { |
| 14:33:57 | JdGordon | if (global_settings.show_path_in_browser == SHOW_PATH_FULL) { |
| 14:34:02 | JdGordon | gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, tc.currdir); |
| 14:34:02 | JdGordon | } else if (global_settings.show_path_in_browser == SHOW_PATH_CURRENT) { |
| 14:34:02 | JdGordon | gui_synclist_set_title(&tree_lists, strrchr(tc.currdir, '/')); |
| 14:34:02 | JdGordon | } |
| 14:34:02 | JdGordon | } |
| 14:34:28 | safetydan | which is what it currently does |
| 14:34:48 | jsMikeS | Should I put side messaging on the backlight thread to stave the flood of BACKLIGHT_ON/BACKLIGHT_OFF calls that can be generated, esp if Caption Backlight is enabled? |
| 14:34:57 | JdGordon | unless youve changed it since my last update i dont see how it does already? |
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| 14:36:36 | Mikachu | hm, the "show current dir only" is very confusing |
| 14:36:46 | Mikachu | it displays the rightmost segment of the path, but includes a / at the start |
| 14:36:56 | Mikachu | so you think it's in the root |
| 14:37:03 | safetydan | JdGordon, the current code is this http://pastebin.ca/132701 |
| 14:37:13 | JdGordon | Mikachu: thats being fixed |
| 14:37:16 | safetydan | Mikachu, it shouldn't do that |
| 14:37:25 | JdGordon | safetydan: ah ok |
| 14:37:27 | safetydan | at least what's in CVS shouldn't do that |
| 14:37:28 | Mikachu | is that what we're talking about? |
| 14:37:59 | safetydan | Mikachu, are you using what's just been comitted to CVS about five minutes ago? |
| 14:38:11 | Mikachu | no |
| 14:38:17 | Mikachu | i spent those compiling |
| 14:38:20 | safetydan | heh |
| 14:38:27 | safetydan | it's fixed now and much nicer in CVS :) |
| 14:38:30 | jsMikeS | ?? Anyone not busy to give any thoughts? |
| 14:38:43 | Mikachu | did the keymap stuff also get committed? |
| 14:38:48 | JdGordon | weeee :D cheers LinusN |
| 14:38:51 | safetydan | Mikachu, yes it did |
| 14:38:58 | Mikachu | that explains the multitude of conflicts |
| 14:39:04 | safetydan | jsMikeS, can't comment, not my area |
| 14:39:39 | LinusN | this means that *many* patches in the tracker will fail to apply |
| 14:39:43 | LinusN | muhahahahaaaaa |
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| 14:39:54 | jsMikeS | safetydan: Well, anyone who's area it is is free to do so! :) |
| 14:40:09 | JdGordon | LinusN: ah.. minor problem... can u backout the change to lcd-h100-remote.c? that was fixed a few hours ago |
| 14:40:32 | jsMikeS | safetydan: I want my fingers in everyone's pie! hehehe |
| 14:40:51 | preglow | finger pie, mmmmmm... |
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| 14:41:19 | Mikachu | where are the buttons defined? |
| 14:41:29 | JdGordon | apps/keymaps/keymap-target.c |
| 14:41:40 | Mikachu | i don't see those files in the commit |
| 14:41:49 | JdGordon | .. which dont seem to be in the commit :p |
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| 14:42:10 | * | JdGordon even checked they were in the patch before uploading :'( |
| 14:42:14 | Mikachu | they seem to be now |
| 14:42:21 | Mikachu | but it's still compiling so not on the mainpage yet |
| 14:42:43 | * | JdGordon guesses the iriver sims will fail again |
| 14:42:54 | tucoz | they are here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-08-15%2012:37:28.html |
| 14:43:04 | * | linuxstb_ isn't sure if he wants to cvs update in the immediate future... |
| 14:43:11 | dan_a | Yay! Only 3 files with conflicts in in my working tree |
| 14:43:15 | jsMikeS | Does there need to be an rb faithful thread model for windows simulators? |
| 14:43:32 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: i've got a task you can close in the meantime |
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| 14:43:43 | tucoz | nice build table :) |
| 14:43:46 | Bagder | jsMikeS: if it helps simulating the targets better |
| 14:43:47 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5087 |
| 14:43:48 | linuxstb_ | jsMikeS: Do you mean the win32 build, as opposed to the SDL build running in Windows? |
| 14:43:51 | LinusN | jsMikeS: it helps, yes |
| 14:43:58 | JdGordon | hehe woopsies... |
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| 14:44:37 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: Why do you want me to close that? Has it been committed? |
| 14:44:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: something tells me you haven't built for all targets |
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| 14:44:48 | jsMikeS | I mean whatever would run it that code (not sure what does)...it would break win95 (as I've said before) but noone seemed to care. |
| 14:45:14 | jsMikeS | I think all functions would work the same too. |
| 14:45:22 | preglow | hmm, atmel seems to be rolling out some very interesting new 32 bit micro controllers |
| 14:45:38 | tucoz | should we really consider win95 these days? |
| 14:45:52 | * | JdGordon apologises |
| 14:45:57 | Bagder | preglow: which ones? |
| 14:46:04 | preglow | avr32 based stuff |
| 14:46:14 | preglow | just read about it now |
| 14:46:16 | Bagder | ah yes with the at91 cruft on |
| 14:46:26 | preglow | dunno about that |
| 14:46:38 | Bagder | they changed core from arm9 to avr32 |
| 14:46:43 | preglow | yeah |
| 14:46:50 | preglow | they claim it's better than arm |
| 14:46:56 | preglow | i'm reading up a bit now |
| 14:46:58 | preglow | beats working :> |
| 14:47:02 | Bagder | introducing new problems in the linux kernel since there would be the same chip drivers but for different cores... |
| 14:47:12 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 14:47:32 | preglow | i've programmed the ordinary avr chips for a bit, and they're pretty nice |
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| 14:48:41 | Bagder | I used their at91rm9200 arm one and did lots of linux lowlevel work on it |
| 14:49:35 | preglow | seems to be a bit inspired by arm, though |
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| 14:50:23 | JdGordon | LinusN: iv got a patch to fix the table if u want it |
| 14:50:27 | safetydan | night all |
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| 14:50:29 | JdGordon | or do i FS it? |
| 14:50:39 | preglow | what with several instruction set variants, interrupt register shadowing, etc |
| 14:50:51 | LinusN | JdGordon: i fixed alarm_menu.c |
| 14:51:43 | JdGordon | keymap ipod needs #include "settings.h" and the yellow in debug isnt so major.. |
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| 14:52:57 | preglow | register file seems to be identical to arm.. |
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| 14:53:06 | jsMikeS | tucoz: I dunno, that's why I ask. Didn't the directories for the sims change around recently since I remember cvs saying a lot of sim files are no longer in the repository. |
| 14:53:46 | * | jsMikeS might need his medication as could be mistaken |
| 14:53:48 | Bagder | jsMikeS: the win32/x11 simulators are gone, we only have a sdl versions now |
| 14:53:52 | jsMikeS | oh |
| 14:54:08 | tucoz | sorry, no idea. Was just thinking that win95 as a rather old and unstable platform to support in any case. |
| 14:54:30 | tucoz | If support for win95 means a lot of work that is |
| 14:54:36 | jsMikeS | Bagder: Then how's a perfect thread sim at least for windows suppose to go in there? |
| 14:54:57 | Bagder | jsMikeS: don't ask me, I'm not a windows man |
| 14:54:59 | jsMikeS | tucoz: There's no facility for doing that since is doesn't have fibers/ |
| 14:55:04 | linuxstb_ | Is it possible via SDL? |
| 14:55:16 | tucoz | ok |
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| 14:55:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: your router needs to be set up properly for dcc to work |
| 14:55:39 | jsMikeS | Maybe SDL can be changed to use fiber in Win32 |
| 14:55:51 | LinusN | besides, i have fixed it myself, so you don't have to worry |
| 14:55:57 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:56:22 | Bagder | that nice christmas tree look! |
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| 14:56:49 | Goomba | can rockbox for the ipod video play movies, or do i need to use the original firmware for that |
| 14:57:21 | LinusN | Goomba: the video support in rockbox is not yet fully functional |
| 14:57:21 | Mikachu | should pressing MENU in the quick menu go to the main menu or return from the quickmenu? it currently does the former on ipods |
| 14:57:30 | jsMikeS | thread-sdl.c and kernel.c in sdl/ ? |
| 14:57:49 | Goomba | okay, thanks |
| 14:57:52 | LinusN | Mikachu: i think it should leave the quick menu, if anything |
| 14:58:09 | Mikachu | it leaves any other menu |
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| 14:59:33 | Mikachu | oh and in gui_quickscreen_do_button, there are () around the value for return |
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| 15:00:59 | Mikachu | JdGordon: call me crazy, but ACTION_QS_* aren't defined in keymap-ipod.c |
| 15:01:12 | JdGordon | your crazy! |
| 15:01:21 | JdGordon | and its quite possible i forgot them :p |
| 15:01:32 | JdGordon | who said this was ready??? |
| 15:01:35 | JdGordon | tisk tisk!! |
| 15:01:38 | * | JdGordon runs |
| 15:01:43 | Mikachu | pls fix |
| 15:01:50 | LinusN | we should probably expect lots of errors in the keymaps |
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| 15:02:22 | Mikachu | the commit said to use the forum or the mailing list, but i don't use those so you'll have to live with me reporting them here |
| 15:02:58 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:04:28 | jsMikeS | where's the SDL code? |
| 15:04:39 | Mikachu | why is it called ACTION_QS_DOWNINV? why not... UP? |
| 15:04:53 | Bagder | jsMikeS: rockbox/uisimulator/sdl |
| 15:05:25 | Mikachu | oh okay it didn't do what i thought |
| 15:06:25 | jsMikeS | Bagder: Searched that and saw SDL_CreateThread called but no implemention itself |
| 15:06:39 | Bagder | you need SDL installed |
| 15:07:01 | bluebrother | hmm. That "cancelled" message when leaving a setting makes the ui somewhat ... sluggish |
| 15:07:03 | Bagder | that has the actual SDL code |
| 15:07:25 | jsMikeS | rrrr...I built the Linux simulator and it ran so there must be a binary library |
| 15:07:40 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I didn't notice it being any longer than the previous cancel... |
| 15:07:54 | bluebrother | "browse plugins" shows "/" as path. Intended? |
| 15:08:12 | Bagder | jsMikeS: yes, we provide cygwin dlls etc on the rockbox site |
| 15:08:27 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: I haven't had a "cancelled" message until I updated today. |
| 15:08:27 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I would say not... There are also the other browsers - fonts, themes, wps, ... |
| 15:08:32 | JdGordon | bluebrother: iirc its faster now than it was before... |
| 15:09:08 | jsMikeS | I'm using vmware |
| 15:09:20 | bluebrother | the ui itself feels faster, but that "cancelled" introduces a short pause. I'm pretty used to leaving a setting with left which was pretty fast before. |
| 15:09:37 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: So you've never cancelled a setting before? The "Cancelled" message used to appear where the setting name (e.g. "Volume") appeared. |
| 15:09:37 | Bagder | jsMikeS: but then you're using linux, aren't you? |
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| 15:10:00 | bluebrother | also, should the "browse plugins" (fonts, etc) show a path even if "show path" is disabled? |
| 15:10:02 | LinusN | bluebrother: leaving the setting with left now cancels the change |
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| 15:10:31 | bluebrother | LinusN: didn't it work like that before (except there wasn't a spash)? |
| 15:10:33 | LinusN | use Select to confirm the change |
| 15:10:41 | LinusN | bluebrother: no |
| 15:10:41 | Mikachu | LinusN: hm, "onplay_callback" in onplay.c suggests someone very intentionally made menu_exit_menu go to the main menu instead of leaving the context menu |
| 15:10:51 | Mikachu | or anyone else who cares: |
| 15:10:55 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: No, LEFT used to accept the setting. So that's why there was no Cancelled message... |
| 15:11:09 | preglow | ooh, lots of snappy nice dsp instructions |
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| 15:11:14 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Then I hadn't noticed that ... |
| 15:11:17 | LinusN | Mikachu: doesn't sound right |
| 15:11:23 | Mikachu | /* catch MENU_EXIT_MENU within context menu to call the main menu afterwards */ |
| 15:11:31 | LinusN | Mikachu: i thought you were talking about the quick menu |
| 15:11:34 | bluebrother | btw, disabling the "show path" option doesn't work, path is still shown. |
| 15:11:59 | Mikachu | LinusN: i thought the context menu was the quick menu :) |
| 15:12:19 | Mikachu | what other quick menus are there? |
| 15:12:43 | Mikachu | i probably said it by mistake since i just looked at the quick screen code |
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| 15:13:55 | bluebrother | ok, after rolo-ing the path in "browse plugins" is gone, so it seems to be only the setting not working |
| 15:15:50 | Mikachu | JdGordon: changing scroll direction is slower because _FWD is not a prereq for _BACK and vice versa, should those be added? |
| 15:16:08 | JdGordon | ? |
| 15:16:10 | LinusN | Mikachu: there are context menus and quick screens |
| 15:16:20 | LinusN | onplay is the context menu |
| 15:16:24 | Mikachu | sorry, when i said quick menu i meant the context menu |
| 15:16:39 | Mikachu | i think it's confusing that pressing menu there goes to the main menu instead of exiting the context menu |
| 15:17:02 | LinusN | i think so too |
| 15:17:09 | Mikachu | JdGordon: if i'm scrolling up, i have to scroll down twice to go down one step, because the first time you get a _FWD|REPEAT but the previous button wasn't _FWD, it was _BACK (on ipods) |
| 15:17:11 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: I agree. MENU there should probably exit the menu. |
| 15:17:21 | JdGordon | LinusN: whats cancel in the quickscreen? |
| 15:17:24 | JdGordon | for x5 |
| 15:17:26 | theli_ua | amiconn, 21.31-21.32 in Chuckie Egg in buffered mode ... almost 100%!! .. i'm wondering how speed is on other targets |
| 15:17:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: should be the same as the menu key |
| 15:17:50 | JdGordon | k |
| 15:17:59 | theli_ua | amiconn, oops ... mistype ..... 23.31 - 23.32 FPS |
| 15:18:02 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: Sorry, I haven't had chance to look at your emulator yet, but I plan to.... |
| 15:18:05 | lowlight | JdGordon, safetydan: I take it you've seen my list titles patch for displaying the current directory: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4796 |
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| 15:18:42 | Mikachu | JdGordon: where in the menu is the setting for left/right screen scrolling? |
| 15:18:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: i.e BUTTON_REC |
| 15:19:05 | JdGordon | Mikachu: you can only change it in the cfg files. |
| 15:19:09 | Mikachu | ah |
| 15:19:12 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, i'm going to update version at tracker cause using buffered mode in grayscale Chuckie Egg goes at 23 FPS against 16 FPS in unbuffered .... i;m still not certain what is the situation on other targets (i own mini only) |
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| 15:19:54 | Mikachu | LinusN, linuxstb_: are either of you likely to change it on your own? |
| 15:20:22 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, you think i should change to buffered mode or just live it under defines USE_BUFFERED ? |
| 15:20:25 | JdGordon | lowlight: no i didnt see that.. i wonder if you did it the same was as me? |
| 15:20:30 | LinusN | Mikachu: which one? |
| 15:20:37 | Mikachu | exiting the context menu |
| 15:20:48 | bluebrother | oh, the scrolling with one button that recently got added is gone. |
| 15:20:52 | LinusN | i believe JdGordon is on the case |
| 15:21:05 | bluebrother | (h120) |
| 15:21:20 | JdGordon | bluebrother: it shouldnt be... it defaults to being on |
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| 15:21:52 | bluebrother | has there been a setting introduced for that? Now I can use the button combo that worked before. |
| 15:22:06 | Damme | omg, rockbox owns |
| 15:22:09 | Damme | :D |
| 15:22:17 | Damme | Solong itunes :P |
| 15:22:29 | Mikachu | alright, who's responsible for the path display in the browser? |
| 15:22:35 | Mikachu | there's an off-by-one when scrolling up with paged scrolling |
| 15:22:52 | jhMikeS | What parts of SDL are really used in the sims? |
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| 15:23:37 | LinusN | jhMikeS: you want a complete list of all functions that are called? |
| 15:23:38 | Mikachu | was it safetydan? |
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| 15:24:21 | lowlight | JdGordon: it looks similar from what I've seen. I had all the issues with scrolling worked out, page up/down etc worked out. |
| 15:24:28 | jhMikeS | LinusN: If that's not too much trouble that would help a lot. |
| 15:24:47 | jhMikeS | Using system threads is spooky |
| 15:25:05 | LinusN | find -name "*.c" | xargs grep SDL |
| 15:25:15 | JdGordon | x5 and ipod both have quickscreen keys now |
| 15:25:43 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 15:26:01 | jhMikeS | from within uisimulator |
| 15:26:03 | LinusN | basically, we use 2d drawing, threads and buttons |
| 15:26:25 | JdGordon | Mikachu: off by one? |
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| 15:26:37 | Mikachu | JdGordon: when i scroll up, the selected item is outside of the screen |
| 15:26:44 | Mikachu | JdGordon: so the display jumps up one line too much |
| 15:26:53 | Mikachu | presumably due to the added line of the current dir |
| 15:27:07 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Plus sound (but he's gone...) |
| 15:27:19 | jsMikeS | wtf? I'm still here...must be because of the other program instance :D |
| 15:27:34 | * | linuxstb_ is confused... |
| 15:27:49 | LinusN | split personality syndrome |
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| 15:27:54 | JdGordon | Mikachu: ah, so it does! |
| 15:28:01 | Mikachu | JdGordon: think you can fix it? |
| 15:28:11 | Mikachu | i looked at the code but i have no idea what all those vars mean |
| 15:28:30 | JdGordon | does the player, recorder and ondios have the quickscreen? |
| 15:28:52 | LinusN | i think the titles need a different look |
| 15:29:27 | bluebrother | how about inverting them? |
| 15:29:28 | LinusN | either reverse video or a 3d bevel look or something |
| 15:29:49 | Mikachu | inverse would just look like it's selected |
| 15:29:51 | linuxstb_ | No, I want a larger font for them. |
| 15:29:55 | Mikachu | heh |
| 15:30:39 | * | linuxstb_ sees some eye candy creeping in through the back door.... |
| 15:30:43 | LinusN | i wouldn't want a larger font, i use unifont |
| 15:30:56 | Mikachu | also, the scrolling of the titles reset whenever you scroll in the list |
| 15:31:06 | Mikachu | which is probably hard to avoid |
| 15:31:39 | LinusN | shouldn't be |
| 15:31:42 | lowlight | Please look at my older patch for list titles...all these issues with scrolling were worked out. |
| 15:31:52 | lowlight | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4796 |
| 15:32:01 | JdGordon | wish you;d have come in earlier int he day :p |
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| 15:32:42 | * | jsMikeS can see a whole other project just waiting |
| 15:33:06 | * | jsMikeS need to get his head away from the display driver first |
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| 15:34:47 | jsMikeS | linuxstb_: Eye candy? Say more. |
| 15:36:14 | jsMikeS | And where's amiconn? We were thinking about flipping all the LCD functions to use highspeed write mode for the display. |
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| 15:36:41 | bd | hi dstrek |
| 15:36:48 | lowlight | An underline is very easy to do to separate the title from the list. |
| 15:36:48 | dstrek | oh snap |
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| 15:38:51 | jsMikeS | And how bout an interpolated display for pacbox just for kicks so it looks good? |
| 15:39:19 | Mikachu | that would kill the fps |
| 15:39:20 | * | jsMikeS needs his ritalin |
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| 15:39:37 | jsMikeS | Mikachu: we'll see...hehe |
| 15:40:10 | linuxstb_ | jsMikeS: For pacbox, the idea solution is to design new sprites for the smaller targets - the whole display is sprite based. |
| 15:40:19 | jsMikeS | Maybe not every port but X5, H300, and iPod might handle it |
| 15:40:36 | linuxstb_ | ^ideal solution |
| 15:40:52 | jsMikeS | linuxstb_: Could be but I like the idea of having the originals if that what they are. |
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| 15:41:33 | linuxstb_ | I just mean resize the sprites once, rather than resize the screen 25 times a second... We could keep the original design, and even resize the sprites at init-time. |
| 15:41:46 | Mikachu | now that we are changing up the keymaps, i wonder if anyone wants to swap the QUICKSCREEN and CONTEXT keys on ipods? |
| 15:41:51 | jsMikeS | I don't want to modify the rom's. What about the board? |
| 15:42:07 | jsMikeS | What's the native res? |
| 15:42:16 | Mikachu | it makes more sense to me to use the menu key to go to the context menu |
| 15:42:16 | linuxstb_ | Something like 288x224 |
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| 15:42:38 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: No, I like the context menu mapped to a long-press on select - it feels like a right-click on the file. |
| 15:43:23 | Mikachu | okay, i'll keep it local then |
| 15:43:33 | linuxstb_ | jsMikeS: Sorry, 224x288 (it's portrait) |
| 15:43:51 | linuxstb_ | (and fits nicely on the 5g's 320x240 screen...) |
| 15:44:11 | jsMikeS | linuxstb_: I'd love to get it to run with resize otf |
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| 15:44:32 | * | jsMikeS should be locked up |
| 15:44:33 | Mikachu | i don't see why prescaling would be so bad? |
| 15:45:37 | * | jsMikeS enjoys a challenge |
| 15:45:51 | linuxstb_ | jsMikeS: A page by someone in the IPL project with too much free time on his hands :) http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Hardware/nanomame/ |
| 15:46:35 | jsMikeS | I don't see why bidirectional weighting would be so bad either. Compute the pixel weights in advance on each axis. |
| 15:47:10 | JdGordon | lol linuxstb_ |
| 15:47:25 | jsMikeS | omfg |
| 15:47:27 | Mikachu | just adding the 4 pixels together instead of using the top left one makes it slower |
| 15:48:17 | Mikachu | but please try anyway :) |
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| 15:48:25 | jsMikeS | The ratio is not 160/288x128/224 |
| 15:48:29 | jsMikeS | I mean IS |
| 15:48:30 | coob | any arm asm types around? |
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| 15:48:55 | preglow | somewhat, yes |
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| 15:49:18 | coob | preglow: having a slight problem with sotring registers at an address in the data section |
| 15:49:19 | jsMikeS | Mikachu: It's a good afternoon project after figuring out the source. |
| 15:49:44 | preglow | coob: what kind of problem? |
| 15:50:29 | coob | preglow: gcc won't assemble this: |
| 15:50:31 | coob | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CFDhrK30.html |
| 15:50:42 | coob | problem lines: 314, 705, 1036 |
| 15:50:50 | coob | internal relocation not fixed up |
| 15:51:08 | coob | i don't know arm asm so i'm probably doing something horribly wrong |
| 15:51:13 | coob | data section is at the bottom |
| 15:51:21 | preglow | line 314 is a comment... |
| 15:51:36 | coob | 312 sorry |
| 15:52:10 | jsMikeS | It appears to draw 144x112 on the x5 |
| 15:52:25 | preglow | arm asm can't do stores to literal addresses |
| 15:52:37 | linuxstb_ | jsMikeS: Yes, it just skips every other row/column. |
| 15:52:45 | preglow | so that line would depend on gas doing a pc relative translation for you |
| 15:52:57 | preglow | which i don't really know if it does |
| 15:53:05 | coob | ok |
| 15:53:05 | jsMikeS | A 2:1 is just 50% blending...easy |
| 15:53:23 | jsMikeS | But I won't go that easy |
| 15:53:29 | coob | how would I store the stack pointer somewhere in writeable memory? |
| 15:53:31 | preglow | do ldr regsomething, =_HD_ARM_LowerBlit_ScaleBlend_StoreSP |
| 15:53:37 | preglow | then str sp, [regsomething] |
| 15:54:59 | preglow | and see if that nags |
| 15:55:03 | preglow | it shouldn't |
| 15:55:10 | JdGordon | Mikachu: i tinhk ive fixed the paged scrolling off-by-one bug |
| 15:55:15 | coob | just to find a spare register :) |
| 15:55:33 | Mikachu | jsMikeS: if you do 50% blending all the colors will get darker because most of the screen is black, i tried it |
| 15:56:19 | Mikachu | what i have is the max value of the four pixels, it is pretty ugly but at least all the lines are there :) |
| 15:56:22 | Mikachu | JdGordon: nice |
| 15:56:32 | JdGordon | can u test it to make sure? |
| 15:56:36 | Mikachu | sure |
| 15:56:44 | JdGordon | patch or compule? |
| 15:56:49 | Mikachu | patch |
| 15:56:57 | preglow | there probably is a way to translate a label to a pc relative address, but i don't know how to do so |
| 15:57:00 | * | preglow prods amiconn |
| 15:57:17 | coob | ok |
| 15:57:33 | coob | i'm just trying to get this running on normal arm linux |
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| 15:57:42 | coob | as opposed to no memory protection uclinux |
| 15:57:51 | coob | original stored the values in teh text section |
| 15:58:04 | coob | and i've not got a bloody clue about arm asm :) |
| 15:58:44 | preglow | heh |
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| 15:58:55 | JdGordon | Mikachu: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/title.patch |
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| 16:00:03 | Mikachu | JdGordon: not loading.. |
| 16:00:19 | JdGordon | hmm.. |
| 16:00:41 | JdGordon | email? |
| 16:00:54 | JdGordon | dcc no worky |
| 16:01:00 | JdGordon | and i cbf with fs :p |
| 16:01:08 | Mikachu | heh |
| 16:03:48 | Mikachu | JdGordon: works for me too |
| 16:04:04 | JdGordon | :) |
| 16:04:05 | * | Mikachu tries nonpaginated too |
| 16:04:49 | Mikachu | also works |
| 16:05:12 | JdGordon | great |
| 16:07:08 | JdGordon | alrighty.. just make sure that went smoolty and i can goto bed :p |
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| 16:14:24 | JdGordon | yay, green table.. bed time, cyaz |
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| 16:16:12 | sharpe | Why post two threads on the same topic within 34 seconds to two different forums... |
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| 16:25:19 | ShadowdogMU | Anyone here? |
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| 16:30:50 | sharpe | Unfortunately? |
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| 16:32:43 | ShadowdogMU | http://www.brockarthur.com/zupload/iTunes_is_gay.png |
| 16:32:45 | ShadowdogMU | Why? |
| 16:32:47 | ShadowdogMU | It's not fair |
| 16:33:06 | ShadowdogMU | Do you know what files I need to backup to keep all my settings in iTunes, I am reinstalling it |
| 16:33:20 | sharpe | Ah. Can't say I do. |
| 16:33:56 | ShadowdogMU | My iPod actually works correctly, then iTunes has to go all buggy on me |
| 16:34:59 | sharpe | well... Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\Apple Computer\iTunes looks like a pretty safe bet to me. |
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| 16:36:52 | ShadowdogMU | pleasant to know it lost all my library settings |
| 16:36:58 | ShadowdogMU | I have the .itl file backed up though |
| 16:37:03 | ShadowdogMU | how do I restore that bitch? |
| 16:37:29 | sharpe | I can't really tell you. |
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| 17:03:15 | ryran | Hey everyone. RE charging on ipods: Can anyone confirm that rockbox doesn't currently draw as much power over usb [as appleOS], causing longer charging times..? If yes, could a dev give some details so that I could add info about this to the wiki? |
| 17:03:29 | tucoz | ShadowdogMU, have you read this? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93313 |
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| 17:08:12 | psimasterx | hi all |
| 17:08:52 | ryran | hola |
| 17:09:10 | bluebrother | tucoz, what do you think on the action stuff? I think it could improve the opting heavily. |
| 17:09:32 | bluebrother | I was just thinking a bit how it should be named. ActionWpsPlay{}? |
| 17:09:36 | tucoz | To add the action to the manual? |
| 17:09:44 | tucoz | button actions that is |
| 17:09:57 | tucoz | or do you think of something else? |
| 17:10:19 | bluebrother | the manual it is. |
| 17:10:40 | bluebrother | I still haven'd had time to dig into rockbox programming enough ;-) |
| 17:11:02 | tucoz | yes. I understand that. But do you mean to transfer the action codes to the manual? |
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| 17:12:02 | bluebrother | That was my idea. Instead of using opts we could handle most of that stuff in the platform files. |
| 17:12:06 | tucoz | Yes, I think we should do that. In fact, Febs proposed this some months ago |
| 17:12:29 | bluebrother | so just say ActionWpsStop and make that the correct ButtonStop. |
| 17:12:32 | tucoz | But then I wanted the manual to mimic the source code as much as possible. |
| 17:12:39 | tucoz | yes, I think we should do that |
| 17:12:50 | tucoz | echo echo ;) |
| 17:12:56 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 17:13:24 | linuxstb_ | ryran: I've heard people say that about the USB charging on the ipods, but have never investigated myself. So I can't add anything concrete. Maybe lostlogic can (I think he did some work on charging), but he's rarely around at the moment. |
| 17:13:40 | bluebrother | I also was in favor for such an approach but there wasn't something to mimic −− up to now ;-) |
| 17:13:55 | Febs | <tucoz> Yes, I think we should do that. In fact, Febs proposed this some months ago |
| 17:13:55 | tucoz | It should be fairly easy to add this. But we will still have to keep the old maps as well (plugins) |
| 17:13:59 | Febs | ^^ I'm ahead of my time. |
| 17:14:17 | bluebrother | damn, I hate working with broken code :( |
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| 17:14:35 | bluebrother | (not rockbox) |
| 17:15:07 | bluebrother | sure, we would still need the old Button stuff. |
| 17:15:19 | tucoz | In fact, I think I can start porting the action codes to the platform files now. At least have a look at it. |
| 17:15:34 | bluebrother | maybe some time the plugins can adopt the action concept. |
| 17:15:43 | bluebrother | great. |
| 17:15:48 | ryran | thanks linuxstb_ ..gotcha. methinks I heard it from Paul some time ago on the forums and kept expecting to hear more (I boot into appleos everyday to charge because it's so much faster). was just surprised I couldn't find anything official in the wiki or forums about it. |
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| 17:17:19 | ShadowdogMU | I'm getting angry |
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| 17:19:44 | tucoz | bluebrother, will you be around for a while? |
| 17:20:19 | tucoz | I'll fix one platform file and see what you think |
| 17:20:29 | bluebrother | tucoz, a bit but I don't know exactly how long. But I'll be back online later today. |
| 17:20:37 | tucoz | ok |
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| 17:35:31 | tucoz | bluebrother, something like this? http://pastebin.ca/132953 |
| 17:35:47 | tucoz | that is from the h1xx.tex file |
| 17:36:50 | tucoz | this might end up as something quite huge and hard to use |
| 17:37:08 | tucoz | if we just copy the button codes verbatim from the keymap files |
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| 17:42:29 | tucoz | afk |
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| 17:54:09 | Hansmaulwurf | hi |
| 17:54:10 | petur | if only they would make this with a 60 gig disk in it: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/08/15/samsung_yp-k5_mp3_player/ |
| 17:55:50 | Hansmaulwurf | Finally, the new button action system is here, thanks to Jonathan Gordon. Some button mappings have changed and other things may break. <−−−− Dont know if my bug is related to this, but i cant exit a folder anymore with the "stop" button on my H120 remote |
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| 18:02:47 | petur | Slasheri ? |
| 18:03:06 | Slasheri | petur: hi, just came here :) |
| 18:03:46 | petur | would you mind if I separated HAVE_EEPROM with another HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS? |
| 18:04:03 | Slasheri | hmm, what do you have in mind? |
| 18:04:18 | petur | I want to enable eeprom for h300 but not the ability to store settings there |
| 18:04:29 | petur | just read/write in debug screen |
| 18:04:37 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting |
| 18:04:52 | Slasheri | maybe you could do that also |
| 18:05:06 | petur | most h300 users will want to keep original os for usbotg and video |
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| 18:05:53 | petur | I've made some small changes to the driver, I should make a patch so you can check on h1x0 that I didn't break it |
| 18:06:06 | Slasheri | true, but there is no real reason for enabling HAVE_EEPROM unless you are actually going to use it |
| 18:06:23 | Slasheri | but you can do it if you think it's good |
| 18:06:25 | petur | most important is how the lines are left after using i2c |
| 18:06:44 | petur | I also saw you don't disable irq when doing i2c |
| 18:06:45 | Slasheri | they should be left high / floating high |
| 18:07:10 | Slasheri | true, that's because it's software i2c and the only single device on the bus |
| 18:07:24 | petur | yes, but the pcf driver sets them to LO and uses INPUT/OUTPUT to switch the line levels |
| 18:07:31 | Slasheri | yep |
| 18:07:34 | barrywardell | JdGordon,LinusN: I've made a keymaps file for the H10: http://pastebin.ca/132994 |
| 18:07:54 | petur | but I guess if it works here it will work for you |
| 18:08:07 | petur | and we can always fix if I break it ;) |
| 18:08:09 | Slasheri | please show the patch so i can check |
| 18:08:30 | petur | just a sec |
| 18:08:34 | Slasheri | but changing HI to HI_INPUT or something like that sounds good |
| 18:08:44 | Slasheri | because the line has pull-up resistors |
| 18:08:51 | Mikachu | lol, http://www.youtube.com/ |
| 18:10:10 | petur | Slasheri: so I can change the LO/HI to use the same trick as the pcf. Will try that first, it may break the timing.... |
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| 18:10:26 | Slasheri | hmm, what trick? |
| 18:10:39 | petur | well using the INPUT setting as HI |
| 18:10:49 | Slasheri | yes, that should work ok |
| 18:11:24 | Slasheri | just change the definition of HI to something like HI_ORIGINAL; INPUT; |
| 18:11:50 | ShadowdogMU | my iTunes still won't transfer music to my iPod |
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| 18:13:30 | petur | Slasheri: I think I'll rather try to get eeprom working with the pcf i2c driver and not touch your code |
| 18:13:36 | Slasheri | petur: and please try that writing works also and you can get back same data you write on the chip |
| 18:13:52 | Slasheri | unless you test writing, reading might not work correctly and could give incorrect data |
| 18:14:00 | petur | yes... stil got work to do ;) |
| 18:14:03 | Mikachu | preglow: did you add yourself in the middle of slottsparken on purpose on the rockbox people map? :) |
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| 18:18:12 | petur | Slasheri: anyway, pastebin seems to be having issues, I'll work a bit more on it first |
| 18:19:47 | tucoz | pastebin.ca works quite fine |
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| 18:20:24 | tucoz | Slasheri, could you take a look at the mix mode in this document, and see if I got it right. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/Diagram1.pdf |
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| 18:34:05 | Slasheri | tucoz: seems to be almost correct, except buffer size is same than fade out duration |
| 18:34:57 | Slasheri | the end of the fade in will be done outside of the buffer if necessary |
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| 18:47:06 | tucoz | Slasheri, ok, so if fade out = 0, no mix will occur? |
| 18:49:08 | pondlife | Silly question time. If I have a patch that covers multiple files, can I just concatenate the diff files to make a single large patch file? |
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| 18:54:19 | preglow | Mikachu: heh |
| 18:54:29 | preglow | Mikachu: yeah, but i do live just around there |
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| 18:57:00 | preglow | four-five blocks away |
| 18:58:08 | barrywardell | pondlife: yes |
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| 18:59:31 | no_women_no_cry | hi |
| 18:59:39 | pondlife | OK, one other question...on an Archos (MASCODEC), does the voice file get loaded resident or not? |
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| 18:59:55 | pondlife | I've found out the cause of the OGG crashes |
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| 19:00:18 | pondlife | It's an easy fix, but the number of #ifdefs for SWCODEC/MASCODEC is increasing again |
| 19:01:40 | pondlife | I think most of it drops out in the wash as long as the voice file can stay resident, but that might use too much buffer on Ondios...? |
| 19:01:45 | pondlife | amiconn: around? |
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| 19:03:02 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Are you talking about the main voice file which contains all the strings from the menus etc? |
| 19:03:06 | pondlife | Yes |
| 19:03:09 | pondlife | The big one"! |
| 19:03:23 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the 1.5MB one - Archos devices only have 2MB total RAM. |
| 19:03:31 | pondlife | So it's not resident ... ok |
| 19:03:38 | pondlife | Hence the #ifdef solution... good |
| 19:03:41 | linuxstb_ | No - audio playback is stopped for voice. |
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| 19:04:32 | bluebrother | tucoz, I just looked into your changes. Looks good to me :) |
| 19:05:01 | pondlife | OK, patch coming up... |
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| 19:10:09 | petur | bbl |
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| 19:13:51 | pondlife | OK - anyone having problems with OGG or AAC crashes might want to try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5766 |
| 19:14:12 | pondlife | Only affects voice users. |
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| 19:21:39 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: What was the problem? Does it only affect those two codecs, or maybe others? |
| 19:21:55 | * | linuxstb_ reads the patch... |
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| 19:23:24 | pondlife | Maybe others too |
| 19:23:37 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: I'm guessing it affects any codecs using the codec malloc buffer? |
| 19:23:50 | linuxstb_ | Which I think is probably all apart from libmad... |
| 19:24:02 | pondlife | On SWCODEC the buffer sent to the codec was shifted up by the size of the voice file |
| 19:24:35 | pondlife | Plus there were several assumptions that if voice was not used, then thumbnails would not be used either |
| 19:24:44 | pondlife | All adding up to memory fun! |
| 19:25:02 | linuxstb_ | Yes, sounds like fun fun fun. |
| 19:25:26 | pondlife | So maybe if you (or Slasheri?) could look at FS #5766 and consider it...? |
| 19:25:42 | pondlife | I haven't changed any behaviour on Archos |
| 19:25:50 | pondlife | At least, not intentionally |
| 19:26:03 | pondlife | #ifdef hell is still with us here. |
| 19:26:16 | pondlife | Although I have put some comments in |
| 19:26:47 | linuxstb_ | I don't know anything about that code, so I would prefer if someone else could look. |
| 19:27:28 | pondlife | I know a little, but not a lot... and would also like someone else to double-check. LinusN has been my guardian angel in the past, so maybe he'll see it sometime. |
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| 19:29:01 | pondlife | LinusN: there's a fix for OGG crashing up... |
| 19:29:15 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I have to ask - why have you been frequently attacking malloc for the last few days? |
| 19:29:43 | preglow | linuxstb_: just me having an encounter with speex a couple of days back and trying to shake the impression off |
| 19:30:20 | linuxstb_ | Are the mallocs in the decoder itself, or libOgg (or both)? |
| 19:30:27 | preglow | bith |
| 19:30:28 | preglow | both too |
| 19:30:32 | LinusN | pondlife: great |
| 19:30:43 | * | LinusN is busy right now |
| 19:30:49 | * | pondlife feels guilty that his last talk patch broke it (slightly) |
| 19:31:21 | pondlife | OK when you get a chance - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5766 |
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| 19:34:06 | jaczehack | salaami all |
| 19:35:16 | Mikachu | nej tack, jag kör |
| 19:35:43 | jaczehack | ingen salaami för dig då :) |
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| 19:37:19 | jaczehack | I got 18 fps with the elephantsdream-q8-224x176-364kbps.m2v on my ipod video. |
| 19:37:47 | jaczehack | though I havent tried with the full resolution (since it does not exist :) |
| 19:39:35 | jaczehack | 320x240 |
| 19:39:36 | tucoz | bluebrother, there is a problem. Some actions are defined differently under different contexts |
| 19:40:13 | tucoz | bluebrother, e.g. button_context_settings and button_context_settingsgraphical |
| 19:40:49 | tucoz | guess we'll have to give this a thought... |
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| 19:49:15 | bluebrother | tucoz, I don't see a big problem there. It just requires us to have a mapping for each context so we get a load of new commands. When writing it should be possible to know the context we're in |
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| 19:54:32 | LinusN | pondlife: i assume you have verified that your fix does the job? |
| 19:58:18 | pondlife | I reproed the OGG crash and it fixes that |
| 19:59:21 | pondlife | I was actually looking to fix another bug - #5570. But this left me with a mystery crash that appears to be from the same source. |
| 19:59:45 | pondlife | The patch fixes both problems I believe. |
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| 20:00:38 | LinusN | good |
| 20:00:46 | pondlife | Of course, it could always benefit from a second pair of eyes, and some testing on other targets |
| 20:02:08 | LinusN | i just committed it |
| 20:02:22 | pondlife | Ok... let's see what happens then! |
| 20:02:49 | pondlife | I'll mention on the mailing list that there's a fix in CVS and see if it helps the AAC issue too |
| 20:03:11 | LinusN | pondlife: if rockbox gets unstable, we can just blame the action system :-) |
| 20:03:36 | finn_ | blame the users |
| 20:03:50 | LinusN | of course |
| 20:04:53 | pondlife | Hmm |
| 20:05:15 | Mikachu | blame canada |
| 20:05:16 | pondlife | Time for a feature freeze then ??;-) |
| 20:05:21 | LinusN | haha |
| 20:05:46 | pondlife | I'm just hoping it builds on all targets - i.e. passes the first stage of testing |
| 20:07:49 | LinusN | i was sure you did that |
| 20:08:03 | pondlife | Hmm, well, H300 sim and device... |
| 20:08:15 | LinusN | oh |
| 20:08:25 | pondlife | Sorry, I don't think it'll fail |
| 20:08:29 | Mikachu | no luck |
| 20:08:31 | LinusN | it did |
| 20:08:45 | pondlife | Famous last words. |
| 20:08:55 | pondlife | Oops |
| 20:09:14 | pondlife | Shall I fix, or are you able to put the #ifdefs in quicker? |
| 20:10:36 | LinusN | i do it |
| 20:10:44 | pondlife | I don't see why that failed. |
| 20:11:01 | pondlife | audio_set_crossfade(global_settings.crossfade); seems to be used already in several places |
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| 20:12:04 | LinusN | yes, surrounded by #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC |
| 20:12:29 | pondlife | Ah, I didn't look up far enough |
| 20:12:53 | * | pondlife hates #ifdef more than ever |
| 20:13:12 | pondlife | Or rather #if |
| 20:13:41 | pondlife | One day we'll have codec unification and the sims will not be special-cased.... |
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| 20:13:56 | pondlife | Sorry about that. |
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| 20:14:42 | LinusN | well, crossfade will still not be supported by the archos |
| 20:15:46 | pondlife | Ooer that has done something odd to settings_menu.c here... |
| 20:16:08 | pondlife | Patch stuff is in the source |
| 20:16:12 | pondlife | Let me get again... |
| 20:16:14 | LinusN | ouch |
| 20:16:15 | Mikachu | isn't it nicer to make an empty stub than ifdef the call? |
| 20:16:21 | pondlife | Yes |
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| 20:17:11 | LinusN | Mikachu: perhaps, but i kind of like to have things "in my face" |
| 20:17:51 | Mikachu | well, the ifdef sections are sometimes very long, so then it is not in your face anyway |
| 20:18:11 | COmputoman | Hey guys |
| 20:18:25 | LinusN | you would still need to have conditional compilation, since you don't want dead code in the binary |
| 20:18:44 | COmputoman | I was installing rockbox, and when i got to the point where i was flashing the bootloader rockboot.bin |
| 20:18:51 | COmputoman | It said it was too large for the partition |
| 20:19:03 | COmputoman | er |
| 20:19:03 | pondlife | Can't compiler optimisation spot simple empty routines? |
| 20:19:08 | COmputoman | for firmware partition |
| 20:19:14 | LinusN | pondlife: no |
| 20:19:18 | pondlife | Pity |
| 20:19:26 | COmputoman | Its too large to be a firmware partition |
| 20:19:35 | LinusN | it is possible to do it in conjuntion with the linker |
| 20:19:45 | LinusN | COmputoman: which device? |
| 20:19:50 | COmputoman | video |
| 20:20:20 | COmputoman | I followed the directions well |
| 20:20:28 | COmputoman | Its just sayind the firmware i made is too large |
| 20:20:30 | LinusN | COmputoman: i know next to nothing about the ipod, sorry |
| 20:21:02 | COmputoman | Is 123 megs too much for an image? |
| 20:21:10 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 20:21:19 | COmputoman | Hmm |
| 20:21:35 | LinusN | at least i thinkso |
| 20:22:39 | LinusN | hmmm, 123 megs isn't *that* far off |
| 20:22:54 | pixelma | shall the ui with the button actions be similiar to the old one as a start (there are lot of differences on the Ondio) |
| 20:22:55 | LinusN | should be around 112 megs according to the wiki |
| 20:23:16 | LinusN | pixelma: well, the plan is to make the ui consistent |
| 20:23:32 | pixelma | with what? |
| 20:24:19 | LinusN | with itself |
| 20:24:26 | petur | rofl |
| 20:24:36 | pixelma | across the platforms? |
| 20:25:05 | LinusN | meaning, for example, that the same button should be used to quit a menu in all places etc |
| 20:25:33 | LinusN | all platforms are different |
| 20:26:04 | LinusN | one thing i still can't get used to is that you cancel a setting by leaving it with Left |
| 20:26:17 | pixelma | I know... but I think I can't get used to "off" being resume now |
| 20:26:31 | LinusN | that is a plain bug |
| 20:27:41 | LinusN | any more issues with the ondio buttons? |
| 20:27:43 | Mikachu | at least the button defs are easy to find now |
| 20:27:49 | LinusN | exactly |
| 20:28:50 | tucoz | bluebrother, ah. You are right. |
| 20:29:25 | LinusN | pixelma: what button was used before? |
| 20:29:37 | pixelma | for example I miss is the file context menu that was "long press right" (same as the play button) on the file it is now "scroll" (maybe it's because of another commit) |
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| 20:30:06 | LinusN | that's probably because of another commit |
| 20:30:11 | pixelma | resume was "short press menu" it's now used for another menu |
| 20:30:56 | pixelma | I meant scroll left/right |
| 20:31:10 | amiconn | Gah, lamed committed that "long press is scroll horizontal" stuff |
| 20:31:32 | amiconn | I reminded him several times that this collides with more important stuff on Ondio |
| 20:31:41 | Mikachu | amiconn: it seems to be optional now |
| 20:31:52 | Mikachu | hold_lr_for_scroll_in_list: on |
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| 20:32:24 | * | amiconn still doesn't get the real purpose of this scroll horizontal anyway |
| 20:32:41 | Mikachu | come and borrow my nano |
| 20:32:45 | Lear | any action.c experts around? :) |
| 20:32:49 | amiconn | I didn't miss such a feature and never used it even on archos |
| 20:33:13 | amiconn | Mikachu: Nano: 176x132. Archos: 112x64. ... |
| 20:33:15 | pixelma | "short press menu" is the main menu now, "long press menu" is the "file context menu" but I meant something different before... |
| 20:33:17 | Mikachu | if you're stupid like me and name files artist - title.ext, it's useful to scroll everything to the first - |
| 20:33:23 | Lear | Want to fiddle with the button mappings, but only get unexpected behaviour... |
| 20:33:53 | LinusN | Lear: :-) |
| 20:34:22 | LinusN | amiconn: you can't mean that you don't get the purpose of it? |
| 20:34:42 | amiconn | LinusN: I know what it does, but I can't get why someone could need it |
| 20:34:57 | Lear | More specifically, I want to redefine left/right in a "subcontext", but only get the standard context behaviour. |
| 20:35:22 | LinusN | amiconn: if you have very long file names, like <artist>-<album>-<trackname> |
| 20:35:41 | amiconn | I never have artist - album - track |
| 20:35:48 | Mikachu | therefore no one does? |
| 20:36:14 | amiconn | If I sometimes get such files from elsewhere, then I immediately rename 'em |
| 20:36:23 | LinusN | amiconn: so that means that nobody else has files like that? |
| 20:36:29 | amiconn | Perhaps |
| 20:36:43 | amiconn | Long filenames are always cumbersome, not only on an mp3 player |
| 20:36:48 | Mikachu | also, i have a dir with game remixes, many are made by the same artist but there are many artists in that dir |
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| 20:37:13 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree that long file names are a nuisance, and that's why there is a scrolling feature |
| 20:37:14 | amiconn | Perhaps it's because of my relatively strict sortin gscheme |
| 20:37:40 | amiconn | (1) Complete albums get their own subdir, so I never have the album part in the filename |
| 20:37:49 | LinusN | we could remove quite a few features if we force the user into certain habits |
| 20:38:07 | linuxstb | What do we want? a) Rockbox adapts to users; b) Users adapt to Rockbox... |
| 20:38:12 | LinusN | in fact, that's what itunes does, and why so many people dislike it |
| 20:38:14 | amiconn | (2) Single-artist albums only use trackno. trackname |
| 20:38:51 | amiconn | Maybe. But I still consider the file context menu a more important feature than horizontal scrolling |
| 20:38:53 | Febs | c) combination of both, depending on the circumstances. |
| 20:39:00 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree with that |
| 20:39:10 | amiconn | And horizontal scrolling _was_ possible before the change in question |
| 20:39:23 | Febs | If Rockbox always adapted to users, Left in the file browser would go to the WPS. (as one example). |
| 20:39:26 | Mikachu | for me the option was off by default, i had to enable it |
| 20:39:32 | LinusN | i think a coder with an ondio should correct this |
| 20:39:39 | pixelma | ok, I meant the "file context menu" with the "long press right" that's now "long mode" so it's just on another button... |
| 20:40:08 | * | amiconn expects similar mixup on player and sighs |
| 20:40:33 | LinusN | sounds likely |
| 20:40:36 | * | amiconn wonders what the simulators are for |
| 20:40:36 | pixelma | ...but IMO it was easier before to use it for inserting a file to your playlist because you only had to use one button to do so |
| 20:40:57 | amiconn | - hmpf - |
| 20:41:32 | LinusN | i thought the keymaps were supposed to be as close as possible to what they were before the action system |
| 20:41:40 | pondlife | They should be identical |
| 20:41:46 | pondlife | Then changes can be added afterwards |
| 20:42:04 | pondlife | Not an excuse to start again... |
| 20:42:06 | pixelma | that's why my question in the beginning ;) |
| 20:42:07 | linuxstb | COmputoman: I read your problem in the logs - have you figured it out yet? |
| 20:42:07 | LinusN | but poor jdgordon got very little response from ondio coders when he wrote the patch |
| 20:42:24 | linuxstb | Are there any Ondio coders apart from amiconn? |
| 20:42:31 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 20:42:33 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 20:42:38 | Bagder | it hardly ever was |
| 20:42:45 | LinusN | jörg i think |
| 20:42:57 | Bagder | yes, Jörg was |
| 20:42:58 | amiconn | There were a few |
| 20:43:11 | linuxstb | But sadly none still around? |
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| 20:45:08 | Mikachu | hm, jonathan corbet is on the rockbox map, isn't he the lwn editor guy? |
| 20:45:30 | Febs | Two volume bugs (tested on iPod video): (1) scroll forward moves from +6dB to -58dB (the opposite direction that it should go). |
| 20:45:53 | linuxstb | Febs: In which screen? |
| 20:45:58 | Febs | (2) At -58dB, scroll forward wraps back to the top of list (+6db) |
| 20:46:04 | Febs | Sound settings −−> Volume |
| 20:46:16 | Mikachu | didn't it wrap with the old widget too? |
| 20:46:21 | Mikachu | i know other settings did anyway |
| 20:46:44 | linuxstb | I don't think so - going from -58dB to +6db in one step isn't nice.... |
| 20:46:51 | Febs | Actually, I just realized I made a patch or two to my build. Let me update with a clean build and reconfirm. |
| 20:47:15 | LinusN | you definitely do not waht the volume setting to wrap |
| 20:47:19 | | Part jaczehack |
| 20:47:26 | Mikachu | no i'm not saying it should of course |
| 20:47:46 | Mikachu | , , |
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| 20:48:02 | LinusN | :-) |
| 20:48:14 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, I've just tested an old build on my ipod, and the volume doesn't wrap. |
| 20:48:46 | COmputoman | ok |
| 20:48:51 | COmputoman | I got rockbox installed |
| 20:48:57 | LinusN | wee |
| 20:49:07 | COmputoman | I cant see any music though |
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| 20:49:16 | NSplit | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 20:49:25 | COmputoman | cause its all in the ipod style directorys |
| 20:49:25 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 20:49:25 | NJoin | Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:49:28 | sharpe | Yeah, most people can't when they first install Rockbox. |
| 20:49:31 | linuxstb | COmputoman: :) Try the FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 20:49:47 | Lear | Ah, know part reason for my problems. Looked at the wrong table. :) |
| 20:50:18 | amiconn | gaaahhhhhhh!! |
| 20:50:25 | LinusN | amiconn: you called for me? |
| 20:50:30 | amiconn | The player mappings are totally off! :-(( |
| 20:50:38 | LinusN | badness |
| 20:50:56 | amiconn | ACTION_WPS_VOLUP, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_PLAY, BUTTON_MENU |
| 20:51:12 | LinusN | hehe |
| 20:51:13 | amiconn | Volume _never_ was Menu + Play/Stop |
| 20:51:48 | fatherfork | ºoº |
| 20:52:05 | linuxstb | fatherfork: ASCII please. |
| 20:52:14 | fatherfork | right |
| 20:52:17 | amiconn | ...and seek will always cause a skip before |
| 20:52:39 | * | amiconn hands the Major Badness Award to JoeBorn |
| 20:52:49 | LinusN | that was unfair ;-) |
| 20:52:51 | amiconn | Ooooops, JdGordon of course |
| 20:52:54 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 20:53:08 | amiconn | Why isn't he around?? |
| 20:53:14 | pondlife | Is Major Badness the highest honour?? |
| 20:53:16 | Bagder | he's an aussie |
| 20:53:25 | Bagder | pretty odd time right now for him |
| 20:53:25 | pixelma | it's night there? |
| 20:53:28 | LinusN | i guess it's because he has other things to do |
| 20:53:42 | linuxstb | 5am in Sydney... |
| 20:53:46 | COmputoman | Hey when you load one of these plugins how do you exit? |
| 20:54:07 | linuxstb | COmputoman: Either MENU by itself, or SELECT+MENU. |
| 20:55:45 | LinusN | amiconn: you can blame me for committing the action stuff before it was 100% tested on all platforms |
| 20:56:12 | LinusN | but it would never have been tested before committing, since so few people showed interest in it |
| 20:56:51 | LinusN | so i decided it was best to commit it and the deal with the issues |
| 20:56:55 | LinusN | then |
| 20:58:56 | LinusN | to be honest, i wasn't aware that the button mappings for the archos targets were that bad |
| 20:59:26 | LinusN | i thought he tried to mimic the old behaviour as close as possible |
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| 21:00:52 | preglow | well, now player users have good reason to report to the forums! |
| 21:00:57 | LinusN | haha |
| 21:01:01 | Bagder | both of them! |
| 21:01:04 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 21:01:06 | LinusN | lol |
| 21:01:16 | petur | was that a test to see how many usres we have? |
| 21:01:24 | preglow | bugs will happen with commits this profound |
| 21:01:25 | petur | users even |
| 21:01:29 | preglow | no reason to explode |
| 21:01:35 | LinusN | no, it's a test to see how many users we can lose in just one day |
| 21:01:48 | sharpe | well, that'll be easy. |
| 21:01:56 | LinusN | preglow: i agree, it's not the end of the world |
| 21:02:20 | linuxstb | Well, nothing Rockbox does could cause the end of the world... (I hope) |
| 21:02:27 | LinusN | that patch would have been a nightmare to maintain |
| 21:02:29 | * | petur discovers the irc nicklist includes time zone |
| 21:02:29 | preglow | i do have plans for a doomsday device |
| 21:02:52 | fatherfork | I don't know, pretty soon we won't be able to take our mp3 players on airplanes |
| 21:03:03 | preglow | what was the primary motivation for the action patch anyway? wasn't it proper remote support? |
| 21:03:04 | LinusN | so we should all try our best to correct the keymaps as soon as possible |
| 21:03:20 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonActionIdea |
| 21:03:40 | preglow | riiiight |
| 21:03:55 | preglow | well, it looks all good |
| 21:04:10 | LinusN | yes, as soon as we fix the initial quirks |
| 21:04:57 | * | LinusN is afk |
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| 21:05:18 | Lear | Gah, seems like a new context is needed for what I want to do... :/ |
| 21:05:51 | COmputoman | Is there anyway to browse your music from rockbox without having retransfer it all |
| 21:06:13 | Bagder | COmputoman: yeps, try 'tagcache' in the manual |
| 21:06:14 | ShadowdogMU | YAY! |
| 21:06:22 | * | ShadowdogMU now has music on his iPod |
| 21:06:23 | COmputoman | Thanks |
| 21:06:32 | ShadowdogMU | no Rockbox yet... it just started working, I am not going to do anything to ruin it |
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| 21:07:08 | Febs | With respect to bug on the Sound Settings −−> Volume menu, the volume will not wrap during a continuous scroll. However, if the scroll is stopped and restarted while the selector is on -58dB, it will wrap to +6dB. |
| 21:07:26 | sharpe | Febs: I discovered that a little while ago... |
| 21:09:44 | linuxstb | Febs: That's intended behaviour for wrapping with the wheel. But we all agree - the volume should never wrap. |
| 21:10:37 | sharpe | I wholeheartedly agree. |
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| 21:11:27 | Bagder | I agree that we agree |
| 21:11:51 | petur | I hate wrapping for most settings |
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| 21:12:16 | sharpe | Ahey, we could have another option for menu wrappings... |
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| 21:15:02 | pixelma | Mikachu: where can I find the setting to switch horizontal scrolling off? |
| 21:16:03 | linuxstb | petur: I don't think any of the integer settings wrapped in the past... |
| 21:17:00 | COmputoman | Hey once you enable tagcache, how do you view your music that is in the apples hidden directories? |
| 21:17:07 | * | linuxstb wonders what apps/options.h is doing there... |
| 21:18:13 | * | amiconn wonders where all the remote button mappings are gone... |
| 21:18:48 | * | sharpe wonders why he discovered the volume setting wraps around while listening to music... |
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| 21:19:41 | linuxstb | COmputoman: Whilst in the file browser, hold MENU down until the "quick screen" appears. Then press PLAY until that option changes to "ID3 Database", then press MENU again. |
| 21:20:47 | COmputoman | thank you linuxstb |
| 21:21:18 | * | petur wonders is sharpe still hears something |
| 21:21:35 | * | sharpe just has a dull headache now. |
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| 21:22:22 | COmputoman | So Its pretty easy to edit the interface huh? |
| 21:22:39 | Lear | Hm.. Using the list widget for settings had some bad side effects... |
| 21:22:39 | COmputoman | Is it possible to add a new background? |
| 21:22:53 | Bagder | COmputoman: yes |
| 21:23:06 | COmputoman | Which bitmap should i edit? |
| 21:23:13 | COmputoman | bg-320x240? |
| 21:23:14 | Bagder | you should read manual |
| 21:23:25 | Bagder | you don't need to edit code at all |
| 21:23:35 | lowlight | Looks like the "Show ID3 Info" screen is broken...first "action" exits it. |
| 21:23:55 | amiconn | Many may things are broken |
| 21:23:58 | * | amiconn is annoyed |
| 21:24:16 | petur | COmputoman: copy a bmp file of the right dimensions into /.rockbox/backdrops and browse to it, long-click and select 'set as backdrop' |
| 21:25:01 | linuxstb | Lear: What other problems are there apart from the wrapping? |
| 21:25:37 | Lear | Can't exit a setting screen with left, like you could before. |
| 21:26:24 | linuxstb | I blame the action patch for that... |
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| 21:27:25 | LinusN | that's one thing that i don't really like with the new button scheme |
| 21:27:40 | * | petur just wrote and read back a byte into his h300 eeprom |
| 21:27:46 | preglow | and that's not fixable? |
| 21:27:51 | Bagder | petur: nice! |
| 21:28:03 | LinusN | but many others, including linuxstb, thought it was the preferred behaviour |
| 21:28:04 | sharpe | petur: now can you do words? :) |
| 21:28:25 | Bagder | sharpe: c'mon that must be twice as hard, don't press him ;-) |
| 21:28:32 | LinusN | hmmm, my bad |
| 21:28:32 | sharpe | haha. |
| 21:28:47 | * | petur is thinking of making the eeprom driver use the pcf driver on h300 |
| 21:29:06 | amiconn | LinusN: It almost looks like JdGordon just invented new mappings for archos instead of checking the old code and definitions |
| 21:29:15 | LinusN | that behaviour was introduced by the new-style settings screen |
| 21:29:25 | LinusN | amiconn: that sucks |
| 21:29:27 | amiconn | Now I have to do this, tedious stuff... |
| 21:29:40 | LinusN | amiconn: want me to do the player |
| 21:29:41 | amiconn | And the remotes aren't defined for anything except irivers |
| 21:29:41 | LinusN | ? |
| 21:29:53 | preglow | you don't really have to no |
| 21:30:09 | preglow | i bet jdgordon will once he gets back |
| 21:30:23 | LinusN | jdgordon doesn't have any archos devices |
| 21:30:26 | amiconn | Unfortunately I can't test with the archos remote now. Batteries are dead, and I wasn't able to get those CR1616 thingies yet |
| 21:30:29 | preglow | can't he just read the old code? |
| 21:30:40 | LinusN | yes, he should have |
| 21:30:41 | preglow | oh well |
| 21:30:46 | pixelma | or the manual? |
| 21:31:09 | amiconn | LinusN, preglow: (1) There is the old code. (2) There's the manuals. (3) There are the simulators... |
| 21:31:20 | dpassen2 | Anyone know if support for the H300 Joystick remote was added with the Button Action? |
| 21:31:34 | LinusN | dpassen: yes |
| 21:32:20 | dpassen2 | LinusN: Thanks for the good news. |
| 21:33:00 | preglow | i guess jdgordon won't get a christmas present from amiconn, then |
| 21:33:34 | Bagder | well, you can also say that not that many archos users provided any feedback to him |
| 21:33:35 | LinusN | oh yes: 1 player, 1 ondio and 1 recorder :-) |
| 21:33:45 | amiconn | LinusN: Do we need remote contexts for units without an lcd remote? Or could we just put the remote buttons in the appropriate standard context? |
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| 21:34:43 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't think you need remote contexts for the archos, no |
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| 21:35:12 | LinusN | it's a shame that so few cared about the action work until it was committed |
| 21:35:31 | preglow | we wouldn't see this much fun if they did! |
| 21:35:50 | LinusN | and i agree that it was really bad that he didn't put more effort in the archos maps |
| 21:35:50 | * | preglow grabs a beer |
| 21:36:14 | * | petur doesn't |
| 21:36:22 | sharpe | who comitted the action things? |
| 21:36:25 | LinusN | i did |
| 21:36:37 | sharpe | who wrote the action things? |
| 21:36:53 | hotwire_ | anybody free who can help me with compiling a UISim in cygwin? |
| 21:37:04 | Febs | LinusN: when was the new style settings UI introduced? |
| 21:37:08 | sharpe | hotwire_: what problems are you having? |
| 21:37:12 | LinusN | sharpe: jdgordon |
| 21:37:22 | LinusN | Febs: today |
| 21:37:35 | sharpe | Ah. Okay. I had just been wondering. |
| 21:37:36 | amiconn | More hmpf (not target specific): |
| 21:38:03 | amiconn | Some actions in the debug menu are now blocking while they weren't blocking before |
| 21:38:25 | webguest50 | Slightly offtopic - can I d/l a non-latest bleeding edge build? |
| 21:38:45 | hotwire_ | i do the ../tools/configure and answer all the questions... then i do make, and it says no targets specified and no makefile specified. |
| 21:39:01 | hotwire_ | although it claims the archos subdir was created. |
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| 21:39:03 | linuxstb | webguest50: Only one bleeding edge build a day is archived - the daily builds. |
| 21:39:06 | hotwire_ | as was the makefile |
| 21:39:27 | hotwire_ | but build-dir is still empty |
| 21:39:54 | Bagder | hotwire_: what OS do you have? What target do you build a sim for? |
| 21:39:56 | petur | to make the eeprom driver use some low level code from the pcf driver, is it ok to expose those low level calls in the header file (with a comment of course)? |
| 21:39:56 | sharpe | you're sure you chose the simulator option with ../tools/configure? |
| 21:40:01 | LinusN | hotwire_: in which directory did you call ../tools/configure? |
| 21:40:08 | Lear | LinusN: Isn't playback.c for swcodec only? :) |
| 21:40:26 | hotwire_ | i called it from build-dir. WinXP OS, trying to build for Toshiba Gigabeat F |
| 21:40:51 | webguest50 | thanks linuxstb - I'll take that as a no, then |
| 21:41:04 | Lear | The id3info screen problem should be easy to fix... |
| 21:41:08 | hotwire_ | yes, i chose simulator... |
| 21:41:15 | LinusN | Lear: yes i think so, why? |
| 21:41:28 | Bagder | hotwire_: and what exactly does it say when you invoke 'make' ? |
| 21:41:31 | linuxstb | webguest50: Your alternative is to get the relevant version of the source code from CVS and compile yourself. |
| 21:41:59 | LinusN | Lear: ah, you mean #if CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC? |
| 21:42:07 | Lear | LinusN: Yes. |
| 21:42:16 | LinusN | ask pondlife |
| 21:42:19 | Bagder | the gigabeat sim build is broken |
| 21:42:27 | Bagder | the action stuff |
| 21:42:28 | webguest50 | linuxstb: Yeah, I don't have the time or facilities for that. I was just hoping to grap a copy of the build immediately prior to the button code changes |
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| 21:42:55 | linuxstb | webguest50: The latest daily build is the closest you'll get then. |
| 21:43:17 | hotwire_ | when i call configure, after i answer all questions: "Selected sdl simultor; cygwin host detected; enabled pcm sound playback in simulator; simulator enviroment deemed little endian; subdirectory archos aleady present; using gcc 3.4.4 (304); created makefile |
| 21:43:39 | hotwire_ | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found |
| 21:43:43 | hotwire_ | Stop |
| 21:43:45 | webguest50 | linuxstb: Thanks v. much for your help, much quicker than me making an annoying forum post :) |
| 21:43:52 | Bagder | hotwire_: isn't there a 'Makefile' in that dir by then? |
| 21:44:09 | sharpe | hotwire_: Hammer Time. |
| 21:44:16 | Bagder | "created makefile" ? |
| 21:44:22 | Bagder | it should say "created Makefile" |
| 21:44:23 | hotwire_ | dir - nothing. Although it claimes it created a makefile |
| 21:44:34 | Bagder | with an uppercase M |
| 21:44:41 | hotwire_ | yes, with uppercase |
| 21:44:43 | hotwire_ | sorry |
| 21:45:08 | preglow | sharpe: ahahahhahaha |
| 21:45:20 | Bagder | then I guess there's something that prevents configure from being able to create files in that build directory |
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| 21:45:35 | Bagder | hotwire_: it should also be a file called created makefile |
| 21:45:38 | Bagder | grrr |
| 21:45:39 | sharpe | preglow: :D |
| 21:45:41 | Bagder | called autoconf.h |
| 21:45:42 | ithinkyourecrazy | does it really play videos on nano? what format? |
| 21:45:47 | LinusN | Bagder: Makefile :-) |
| 21:45:57 | Bagder | bad paste there |
| 21:45:58 | sharpe | ithinkyourecrazy: yes, it really does. |
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| 21:46:12 | linuxstb | ithinkyourecrazy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 21:46:13 | sharpe | mpeg2 video, with the extension '.m2v'. |
| 21:46:22 | linuxstb | Some example files are here: http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ |
| 21:46:31 | sharpe | And i'm just guessing by it, you mean "Rockbox." |
| 21:46:41 | ithinkyourecrazy | i have bought music videos at iTunes will those work on my nano? |
| 21:46:46 | sharpe | No. |
| 21:47:07 | ithinkyourecrazy | bah |
| 21:47:25 | preglow | blame apple! |
| 21:47:36 | ithinkyourecrazy | there's no way to play them? |
| 21:47:45 | preglow | which target does 176x96 ? |
| 21:47:53 | linuxstb | preglow: None... |
| 21:47:56 | preglow | ithinkyourecrazy: well, they're protected by apple's proprietary drm scheme |
| 21:48:07 | preglow | ithinkyourecrazy: we can't support them without very probably getting sued |
| 21:48:12 | sharpe | There's not a 320x240. Aww. |
| 21:48:15 | bluebrother | oh, the pitch screen buttons are broken (h120) |
| 21:48:27 | ithinkyourecrazy | that blows |
| 21:48:27 | preglow | linuxstb: it's just a low-res general thing? |
| 21:48:47 | ithinkyourecrazy | anyway, thanks for the info. |
| 21:48:54 | preglow | you're welcome |
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| 21:49:28 | linuxstb | preglow: I think I went a little crazy last night with those encodings... I've no idea why I encoded 176 pixel wide files. |
| 21:49:43 | sharpe | linuxstb: the more the merrier? |
| 21:49:54 | linuxstb | What's the Nano's dimensions? |
| 21:50:04 | hotwire_ | Badger: found the problem it seems. My home directory waas my full name, in two words. As soon as I cut it down to one, ti worked ithink |
| 21:50:05 | linuxstb | Isn't that 176x132? |
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| 21:50:08 | preglow | 176x132 |
| 21:50:10 | preglow | afaik |
| 21:50:13 | ithinkyourecrazy | hey, i'm back |
| 21:50:27 | Bagder | hotwire_: aaaah, yes it doesn't like spaces in the path |
| 21:50:30 | linuxstb | Ah, then yes, those are Nano resolution files. 176x128 for 4:3 (multiples of 16), and 176x96 for 16:9 ratio. |
| 21:50:31 | Bagder | good catch |
| 21:50:37 | bluebrother | oh, when in the quick screen the charging animation stops. I guess this is not intended, is it? |
| 21:50:38 | Bagder | I should add some detect for that |
| 21:50:41 | preglow | linuxstb: ahh, right, it's widescreen, isn't it |
| 21:51:00 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 21:51:07 | hotwire_ | I'll throw that note into the UISim compile page on the wiki then |
| 21:51:16 | preglow | is the 4:3 one cropped or stretched? |
| 21:51:28 | Bagder | hotwire_: please do |
| 21:51:28 | linuxstb | Cropped. I just took the centre of the image. |
| 21:51:47 | hotwire_ | should i also do it in the Cygwin install page on the wiki? |
| 21:52:01 | ithinkyourecrazy | what's a free program that allows one to edit/delete audio vocals and keep the instrumental et al? |
| 21:52:21 | amiconn | LinusN: The action code Does |CONTEXT_REMOTE when it sees a button code with one of the BUTOON_REMOTE bits set |
| 21:52:34 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 21:52:39 | LinusN | forgot about that |
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| 21:53:18 | amiconn | Of course get_context_mapping() in the keymap code could mask out the CONTEXT_REMOTE bit |
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| 21:53:45 | amiconn | Pro: Only one list of actions for both remote & main. Con: The whole list is checked for either keypad |
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| 21:54:55 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm working on the player mappings |
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| 21:56:01 | hotwire_ | done and done |
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| 21:57:19 | markun | hotwire_: also, BUTTON_REC doesn't exist on our gigabeat of course |
| 21:57:28 | markun | Who's Ribs? |
| 21:57:35 | COmputoman | I was reading how to add a wallpaper to the now playing screen and i had a question |
| 21:57:42 | COmputoman | er the manual |
| 21:58:05 | COmputoman | I added %x|background.bmp| to my wps file |
| 21:58:17 | COmputoman | and am i suposed to drop that file in backdrops? |
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| 21:58:20 | COmputoman | or in boxes |
| 21:58:26 | COmputoman | Or am i doing it all wrong? |
| 21:58:35 | linuxstb | It needs to be a capital X. |
| 21:58:40 | COmputoman | ok |
| 21:59:34 | COmputoman | Where does the file go? |
| 21:59:40 | COmputoman | boxes? |
| 21:59:41 | linuxstb | And I think that file goes in a folder with the same name as your WPS, in the same folder as your .wps file. So you have the file wps/coputoman.wps and the bitmap wps/coputoman/background.bmp |
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| 22:00:40 | COmputoman | Ill try that out |
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| 22:03:22 | Mikachu | pixelma: apparently it's not wired into the menu yet, you'll have to edit a .cfg |
| 22:03:30 | COmputoman | worked |
| 22:03:33 | COmputoman | thanks LinusN |
| 22:03:37 | COmputoman | er |
| 22:03:42 | COmputoman | linuxstb |
| 22:04:01 | pixelma | Mikachu: thanks... but :/ |
| 22:04:14 | * | amiconn wonders where the folder skip went |
| 22:04:45 | amiconn | Not that I liked that feature, but it silently went away... |
| 22:05:35 | LinusN | boo |
| 22:06:01 | Mikachu | 14331850 |
| 22:06:04 | Mikachu | er |
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| 22:07:21 | amiconn | Ah, no, it didn't go completely, but the option to skip dirs with short-long is gone |
| 22:07:43 | | Nick apo is now known as apo` (n=apo@dslb-084-057-076-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:07:55 | amiconn | SO it's effectively gone on all targets which don't have a separate combo for dir skip |
| 22:08:00 | LinusN | amiconn: another thing we shold fix then... |
| 22:08:16 | amiconn | The action code neither handles short-long nor double clicks |
| 22:08:30 | amiconn | Fortunately (in this case) the FM screen is not yet converted |
| 22:08:32 | LinusN | nope |
| 22:08:49 | Mikachu | there are double clicks? |
| 22:09:07 | amiconn | Yes, recording-from-fm is a double click on Ondio |
| 22:09:22 | COmputoman | Is there a way to make the font on my wps screen bigger and bolder without adding any font files? |
| 22:09:27 | amiconn | This is to protect against accidental recordings |
| 22:09:29 | COmputoman | I dont want a fancy cont |
| 22:09:36 | COmputoman | er font |
| 22:09:42 | COmputoman | I just want to be able to see it |
| 22:09:47 | COmputoman | the text is so small |
| 22:10:00 | preglow | linuxstb: frame rate control in the mpeg player far off? :> |
| 22:10:20 | Mikachu | you can play faster than realtime? |
| 22:10:29 | linuxstb | If you have a small enough file... |
| 22:10:44 | petur | COmputoman: no, just select/install another font |
| 22:10:45 | amiconn | I can't figure out how I could solve the context menu <-> main menu clash in wps on Ondio with the action code :( |
| 22:10:56 | LinusN | amiconn: ouch |
| 22:10:58 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I'm looking forward to displaying 30000/10001 frames per second... |
| 22:11:08 | linuxstb | (I mean 30000/1001) |
| 22:12:03 | preglow | the 176x96 is already faster than realtiem |
| 22:12:23 | amiconn | LinusN: Calling the main menu from wps on Ondio was special: There was no mapping for it, long Mode which normally calls the main menu called the wps context menu instead. Then you could call the main menu by pressing short Mode from within the wps context menu... |
| 22:13:03 | Mikachu | that explains why menu doesn't exit the context menu on ipods |
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| 22:13:21 | amiconn | eh? |
| 22:13:39 | COmputoman | is it possible to add a wallpaper to the file browsing screen? |
| 22:13:44 | COmputoman | or just the wps |
| 22:13:53 | Mikachu | i was confused earlier today why pressing Menu in the context menu went to the main menu instead of exiting the context menu |
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| 22:14:26 | petur | COmputoman: both, look for 'backdrop' |
| 22:15:05 | petur | COmputoman: I repeat myself: copy a bmp file of the right dimensions into /.rockbox/backdrops and browse to it, long-click and select 'set as backdrop' |
| 22:15:15 | petur | or rtfm |
| 22:15:15 | amiconn | Maybe I am slightly off on that, so far it's all theory & code |
| 22:15:28 | COmputoman | thanks |
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| 22:17:40 | lowlight | On an h140, should joystick left in root directory stop playback? |
| 22:19:37 | Febs | No, it should have no effect. |
| 22:20:31 | pixelma | hmm.. lamed comitted the l/r scroll thing on the 12th - I didn't realised it until I tried the a "button action build" today... |
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| 22:21:22 | hotwire_ | okay, another cygwin glitch... any easy way to force change the default username? It decides to recreate the old one with the space when i restart |
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| 22:22:18 | lowlight | Well, I hit left one too many times when I was browsing and playback stopped. |
| 22:22:58 | preglow | what you should be looking forward to is syncing audio and video |
| 22:23:04 | preglow | to linuxstb |
| 22:23:25 | LinusN | lowlight: which platform? |
| 22:23:48 | LinusN | ah, h140 |
| 22:25:50 | Febs | LinusN: same behavior on iPod video. |
| 22:26:23 | LinusN | hmmm, there is some strange code in tree.c that does this, but it wasn't added by jdgordon |
| 22:26:55 | * | amiconn suspects the quickscreen will work _very_ different from how it used to work on recorder :( |
| 22:27:02 | LinusN | it seems as some targets had this behaviour |
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| 22:28:36 | LinusN | no, this was done by jfgordon... |
| 22:29:13 | amiconn | booooo, +1380 bytes on ondio! |
| 22:29:55 | preglow | new settings system really looks weird when you're dealing with large ranges of integers... |
| 22:30:10 | amiconn | preglow: Stereo Width, Balance? |
| 22:30:15 | preglow | crossfeed |
| 22:30:22 | preglow | and those, i guess |
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| 22:32:55 | amiconn | Grr, and the action tables aren't const! |
| 22:33:21 | amiconn | Greetingz to thoze wazterz of RAM! :( |
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| 22:33:54 | lowlight | The settings should have an icon indicating the currently selected option. |
| 22:34:03 | Mikachu | amiconn: does setting them to const reduce ram usage? |
| 22:34:08 | preglow | yes |
| 22:34:12 | preglow | then there's no copy |
| 22:34:15 | amiconn | It does when rockbox is flashed |
| 22:34:22 | Mikachu | ah |
| 22:34:35 | preglow | right, they're global anyway |
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| 22:35:57 | preglow | anyway, jdgordon has been open for suggestions for a long time now |
| 22:36:04 | preglow | it's been clear this patch was meant for rockbox a long time |
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| 22:48:13 | pondlife | LinusN: As a break from keymapping fun... I didn't know that playback.c was SWCODEC only. I put the #if in there to be safe, but if you have time, you can remove it and simplify that routine |
| 22:49:18 | amiconn | const'ing the keymaps on Ondio reclaims 560 bytes of ram |
| 22:49:26 | amiconn | Will be more on recorders |
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| 22:50:10 | RedNfire | Hello rockboxcommunity! |
| 22:50:26 | markun | hi RedNfire |
| 22:50:31 | preglow | hi! |
| 22:51:36 | RedNfire | I still don't own an mp3 player, but I'm currently deciding which one to buy |
| 22:51:54 | preglow | any arm people here who can tell me how "swp r0, r0, [r10]" will behave? |
| 22:52:17 | RedNfire | does somebody own a Archos Gmini 402? I have some very specific questions about it and rockbox. |
| 22:52:19 | amiconn | LinusN: I guess it won't be a good idea for me to const all th ekeymap-*.c files now as you're working on the player mapping? |
| 22:52:35 | amiconn | But if I don't, committing my adjustments will fire some warnings |
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| 22:52:56 | RedNfire | You know, it has a TV-out. Is it possible to use this with rockbox? Like playing Doom or Game Boy on the TV? |
| 22:53:31 | Mikachu | was the gmini port ever even finished? |
| 22:53:45 | markun | RedNfire: check out archopen.org |
| 22:54:03 | amiconn | Mikachu: Nope, and the gimi port only was for gmini 120 and gmini sp |
| 22:54:28 | RedNfire | ot |
| 22:54:30 | RedNfire | oh |
| 22:54:40 | RedNfire | i thought it works on all archos models |
| 22:54:47 | RedNfire | hm, too bad |
| 22:54:51 | markun | RedNfire: they have Doom, NES and Sega emulators |
| 22:55:01 | markun | for the gmini 402 |
| 22:55:18 | markun | with tv-out |
| 22:55:25 | RedNfire | oh, nice. |
| 22:55:46 | RedNfire | hmm, so there are games, but no rockbox? |
| 22:56:04 | markun | yes |
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| 22:57:20 | amiconn | This 'Left in root stops playback' is major annoying... |
| 22:57:49 | RedNfire | How good is the OS that comes with the player? Compared to rockbox? |
| 22:58:36 | Bagder | RedNfire: the os for gmini400? |
| 22:58:40 | markun | RedNfire: better ask in #archopen |
| 22:58:52 | Bagder | I doubt many people here ever tried it |
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| 23:00:02 | pondlife | On H300, stop in tree now does the same as left - i.e. up a level. It should stop playback, shouldn't it? |
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| 23:00:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:00:32 | amiconn | The mappings are a 'little' weird today |
| 23:00:37 | amiconn | :evil laughter: |
| 23:00:49 | pondlife | :deranged: |
| 23:00:51 | preglow | does them good to freak out once in a while |
| 23:01:04 | pondlife | I was just pointing it out, no one had mentioned this one yet. |
| 23:01:38 | petur | thank god he didn't touch the recording screen |
| 23:01:46 | pondlife | ...yet |
| 23:02:10 | pondlife | Still, we now have a starting point for fixing it. |
| 23:02:51 | lowlight | Do people prefer the new "show dir path" display as-is or can I rework it to how I originally designed it: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2876 |
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| 23:10:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | lowlight: I personally like that screenshot quite a bit. |
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| 23:18:36 | Mikachu | call me crazy but i don't see a screenshot |
| 23:18:51 | nudelyn | you have to be logged in to get screenshots i think |
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| 23:19:01 | Mikachu | bleh |
| 23:19:08 | alberink | yeah, just found out about that too... |
| 23:19:19 | crwl | stupid forum softwares that don't allow settings customization without actually making an account and logging in |
| 23:19:33 | nudelyn | it's confusing as there isn't any indication that there woudl be an image there if you logged in, so the threads just look stupid |
| 23:20:03 | nudelyn | the oblivion forums are the same |
| 23:21:10 | lowlight | does the direct link work? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2876.0;attach=513;image |
| 23:21:32 | Mikachu | It seems that you are not allowed to download or view attachments on this board. |
| 23:22:14 | Bagder | that's because you are evil and it protects the users against people like you! |
| 23:22:18 | Bagder | :-P |
| 23:23:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well it does seem a good way to keep bandwidth costs a wee bit lower. |
| 23:24:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it's rather simple to enable guest viewing of attachments, but it was disabled when I got here. |
| 23:25:00 | amiconn | LinusN? |
| 23:25:10 | LinusN | yes? |
| 23:25:27 | amiconn | 22:52 ... |
| 23:25:32 | LinusN | saw that now |
| 23:25:41 | LinusN | i'll commit the player mappings now |
| 23:25:59 | amiconn | ok |
| 23:26:02 | LinusN | i'll also restore the weird stop-in-root behaviour in tree.c |
| 23:26:02 | amiconn | I |
| 23:26:14 | amiconn | ..have almost working Ondio mappings here |
| 23:26:19 | LinusN | goodie |
| 23:26:22 | amiconn | The bookmarks didn't work at all... |
| 23:26:32 | amiconn | (except leaving the screen) |
| 23:26:58 | amiconn | The bookmark screen is one thing where I actually changed an Ondio button mapping from before |
| 23:27:10 | amiconn | The old mapping was dangerous... |
| 23:27:18 | preglow | nudelyn: any news about nano green theme? :> |
| 23:27:35 | amiconn | Before, short Right was select bookmark, and long Right was delete bookmark... |
| 23:28:08 | amiconn | ...without proper _PRE checking, i.e. holding Right eventually deleted all bookmarks in a .bmark file... |
| 23:28:19 | LinusN | amiconn: ouch :-) |
| 23:28:43 | amiconn | Now I changed delete to long Left, and the action code ensures the _pre thing |
| 23:28:46 | * | petur screws up the contents of his eeprom ;) |
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| 23:33:52 | preglow | arghgh |
| 23:33:56 | preglow | i need more regs |
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| 23:34:12 | webguest42 | df |
| 23:34:23 | Bagder | I can buy a few from me |
| 23:34:27 | preglow | you can? |
| 23:34:32 | preglow | can i watch? |
| 23:34:35 | Bagder | gee I'm crappy |
| 23:34:38 | Bagder | can't even type |
| 23:34:45 | webguest42 | Does anyone have rockbox on their ipod nano and tell me a bit about it? |
| 23:34:47 | preglow | haha |
| 23:34:51 | * | Bagder walks back to his blinking leds and sobs |
| 23:35:12 | preglow | i'm _almost_ considering adding some scratch space to save the sp to so i can use that too... |
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| 23:35:42 | Lear | preglow: what are you up to now? :) |
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| 23:36:05 | preglow | Lear: crossfeed in arm assembler |
| 23:36:05 | webguest47 | lol hi guys! |
| 23:36:14 | preglow | roflmao hi! |
| 23:36:20 | Infector | LAWL |
| 23:36:27 | webguest47 | lewl |
| 23:36:27 | RedNfire | zomg hi!! |
| 23:36:34 | amiconn | Hmm, something is wrong in the action code.... |
| 23:36:36 | LinusN | grmj hi! |
| 23:36:36 | Infector | oh noes |
| 23:36:50 | webguest47 | can i install rock box on a nano? |
| 23:36:53 | preglow | sure |
| 23:36:58 | webguest47 | lol u gay |
| 23:36:59 | amiconn | It doesn't seem to check the pre stuff (??) |
| 23:37:19 | LinusN | amiconn: it is supposed to |
| 23:37:28 | Bagder | btw, would anyone say automatically enabling ccache (if found in path) in configure being a bad idea? |
| 23:37:34 | LinusN | however, it treats BUTTON_NONE as "don't care" |
| 23:37:37 | Infector | Someone tell me a bit about the pros to installing rockbox onto a nano |
| 23:37:56 | webguest47 | does any one here use debian |
| 23:37:57 | amiconn | Then why does holding a button continuously fire multiple events of the same type, if that event is defined as having a precondition? |
| 23:38:09 | markun | LinusN: global volume buttons (on the gigabeat for example) should be possible now with actions, right? |
| 23:38:21 | Febs | Infector: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=FeatureComparison |
| 23:38:28 | Infector | awesome |
| 23:38:32 | webguest47 | can rockbox be installed on a gigabeat? |
| 23:38:38 | LinusN | markun: not automagically |
| 23:38:38 | markun | webguest47: not yet |
| 23:38:44 | webguest47 | ok |
| 23:38:48 | LinusN | amiconn: which case? |
| 23:38:49 | markun | webguest47: come to #gigabeat |
| 23:38:59 | Noah0504 | Has anything interesting been added to the iPod Video build since the freeze was lifted? |
| 23:39:07 | amiconn | LinusN: I have this: { ACTION_BMARK_DELETE, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT }, |
| 23:39:15 | Febs | Noah0504: Yes. |
| 23:39:23 | amiconn | ..and holding Left deleted all the bookmarks in a .bmark ... |
| 23:39:23 | Noah0504 | Febs, Care to share? |
| 23:39:33 | LinusN | amiconn: i think it's this: |
| 23:39:38 | LinusN | /* Special case to make the keymaps smaller */ |
| 23:39:38 | LinusN | if(button & BUTTON_REPEAT) |
| 23:39:38 | LinusN | last_button &= ~BUTTON_REPEAT; |
| 23:39:44 | webguest47 | markun: are you in nz? |
| 23:39:58 | markun | webguest47: no, netherlands |
| 23:40:06 | amiconn | LinusN: uh? |
| 23:40:08 | webguest47 | oh ok |
| 23:40:17 | amiconn | Why would that make the keymaps smaller? |
| 23:40:32 | webguest47 | does any one here use debian |
| 23:40:36 | Febs | Noah0504: everything listed after July 18 here: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 23:40:41 | LinusN | because then you don't need another entry with REPEAT in the pre condition |
| 23:40:45 | Infector | NO |
| 23:40:46 | amiconn | Those events that really should fire multiple times should just not have a precondition |
| 23:40:57 | Noah0504 | Febs: Thanks. |
| 23:41:06 | amiconn | E.g. for volume up in the wps: |
| 23:41:12 | webguest47 | LOL BAN MY IP PLEASE |
| 23:41:20 | amiconn | { ACTION_WPS_VOLUP, BUTTON_UP|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE }, |
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| 23:41:34 | amiconn | What would be the problem with that? |
| 23:41:35 | webguest47 | pretty please |
| 23:41:35 | markun | webguest47: what's your problem? |
| 23:41:36 | preglow | lord of space returns |
| 23:41:55 | LinusN | amiconn: i believe ff and rew is the issue |
| 23:42:02 | Infector | GUYZ GIEB TEH SOJ PLZ DUNT STEALZ MAI RAREZ |
| 23:42:10 | Kick | (#Rockbox Infector :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:42:18 | webguest47 | well the daleks are here, trying to take me over. ban my ip so they cant steal the chat OH NOES! |
| 23:42:26 | Kick | (#Rockbox webguest47 :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:42:28 | | Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) |
| 23:42:34 | LinusN | go bagder go |
| 23:42:39 | markun | more more! |
| 23:42:40 | amiconn | LinusN: how? |
| 23:42:51 | preglow | me too! me too! |
| 23:42:53 | amiconn | What would seek collide with? |
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| 23:43:00 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:43:01 | lolomeagain | LOLUGAY |
| 23:43:01 | lolomeagain | LOLUGAY |
| 23:43:02 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK lolomeagain |
| 23:43:02 | lolomeagain | LOLUGAY |
| 23:43:04 | lolomeagain | LOLUGAY |
| 23:43:05 | Kick | (#Rockbox lolomeagain :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:43:10 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:43:15 | Bagder | ok we need to stop that service for now then |
| 23:43:22 | Infector2 | KAY |
| 23:43:29 | Kick | (#Rockbox Infector2 :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
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| 23:43:51 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*@labb.contactor.se " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:43:51 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox -o-b Bagder *!*@labb.contactor.se |
| 23:43:55 | Kick | (#Rockbox Infector8 :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:43:55 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:43:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK logbot_ |
| 23:43:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Febs |
| 23:43:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Infecta |
| 23:43:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Infector8 |
| 23:43:58 | preglow | good |
| 23:43:59 | Kick | (#Rockbox Infecta :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:43:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 23:44:08 | Bagder | so no web irc atm |
| 23:44:25 | Bagder | as I banned that host |
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| 23:45:21 | LinusN | amiconn: i believe seek collides with next/prev without proper prereqs |
| 23:45:28 | LinusN | but i might be wrong |
| 23:45:43 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*@labb.contactor.se " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:45:52 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*n=boogy@*.bb.netvision.net.il " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:45:59 | LinusN | i think we could skip the "shortcut" in action.c and add proper prereqs in the maps instead |
| 23:46:06 | amiconn | How could it? Seek triggers on repeat only, which would kick in way later than a usual prev/next already ended |
| 23:46:38 | amiconn | There's a special 'seek end' - but that has the |BUTTON_REPEAT as prerequisite |
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| 23:47:09 | LinusN | let's remove it and see |
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| 23:47:45 | LinusN | JdGordon: morning |
| 23:48:10 | JdGordon | morning |
| 23:48:13 | Ctcp | Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 53 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:48:13 | * | petur wonders if JdGordon read the irc log |
| 23:48:24 | JdGordon | i just woke up dude!! |
| 23:48:43 | JdGordon | ill read it in my 2 hour break at uni (starting in about 2 hours) |
| 23:48:51 | linuxstb | JdGordon: If I was you, I would go back to bed... |
| 23:48:56 | JdGordon | how bad oes it get ?:p |
| 23:49:00 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:49:03 | petur | worse |
| 23:49:14 | JdGordon | ooooohhhhhhhhh |
| 23:49:34 | * | petur tries to hold back amiconn with all his force |
| 23:50:49 | * | amiconn is tempted to bash JdGordon for inventing his own mappings instead of checking the old button definitions / the manual / the simulators |
| 23:50:54 | LinusN | JdGordon: you have won the prestigeous Major Badness Award :-) |
| 23:51:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: i did go by the manuals... i did also ask for input while it was happening |
| 23:52:20 | amiconn | Now let's see whether this shortcut removal thing works |
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| 23:52:43 | JdGordon | did anyone notice if it affected the filesize much? |
| 23:53:13 | amiconn | Yes, it increased Ondio binary size by ~1400 bytes |
| 23:53:36 | amiconn | That's without some fixes which will add a few more bytes (e.g. bookmark button mapping) |
| 23:53:38 | LinusN | JdGordon: for example, the manual says that the WPS volume control is MENU-+/-, but you mapped it as MENU+Play and MENU+Stop |
| 23:53:45 | LinusN | (archos player) |
| 23:54:00 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:54:08 | Mikachu | Bagder: i think the part before @ is ip dependant so you can ban just that? |
| 23:54:32 | Bagder | it is? well that sounds nice |
| 23:54:34 | amiconn | Yes |
| 23:54:36 | Bagder | I'll try that next time |
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| 23:55:37 | amiconn | It's the ip in hexadecimal form |
| 23:55:54 | | Quit testguest (Client Quit) |
| 23:56:01 | LinusN | JdGordon: can you explain the changes you did in tree.c for ACTION_STD_CANCEL? |
| 23:56:29 | Mikachu | so he was 203-173-160-213.static.bliink.ihug.co.nz then |
| 23:57:03 | JdGordon | the one you reverted? it was odd... i could have sworn stop allows you to go back up a level... (i hadnt been using a regular build for a while) |
| 23:57:40 | LinusN | my guess is that it is a remnant from when you had the same action for STOP and EXIT |
| 23:57:48 | amiconn | It stopped playback when pressing Left in the root... very annoying |
| 23:58:45 | preglow | hah |
| 23:58:47 | JdGordon | LinusN: ye, probably |
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