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| 00:00:59 | barrywardell | Obviously, I'll do it in a way that won't affect other builds |
| 00:01:18 | Bagder | I think you can |
| 00:01:27 | Bagder | then others can help out moving it |
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| 00:03:05 | * | Bagder prepares a suggestion for the dev list to spur up some debate: |
| 00:03:19 | Bagder | removal of support for Archos Player |
| 00:03:37 | * | Paul_The_Nerd gasps |
| 00:03:38 | [HO]vo|t | *gasp* |
| 00:03:56 | [HO]vo|t | you win with the /emote |
| 00:04:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could fork it, and if something especially relevant comes along for it, toss it over, but otherwise just support in regarding bugfixes. |
| 00:04:49 | Bagder | yes, we'd do a branch for those who cares |
| 00:04:57 | Bagder | and cut it out from the head branch |
| 00:05:08 | [HO]vo|t | well how you said it, Paul, sounds like what it's kinda like now |
| 00:05:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the way it is now, it gets all new features, and some have to be weighed for binary size increase. |
| 00:06:10 | Bagder | the player doesn't get many new features |
| 00:06:14 | linuxstb | I thought the FM recorder was the main problem target wrt size? |
| 00:06:17 | [HO]vo|t | so if you come out with something for the x5 you have to backward compatiblilize it to the player |
| 00:06:22 | [HO]vo|t | ? |
| 00:06:37 | Bagder | like what? |
| 00:06:48 | [HO]vo|t | i don't know, i was asking |
| 00:06:58 | Bagder | you need to understand what the Archos Player is first |
| 00:07:10 | Bagder | we're talking charcell LCD |
| 00:07:15 | Bagder | and awkward buttons |
| 00:07:22 | Bagder | with hwcodec |
| 00:07:44 | Bagder | I can't remember when we added any new feature for it |
| 00:08:02 | linuxstb | tagcache? |
| 00:08:47 | Bagder | but tagcache is one of those features arguably not even sensible for those devices |
| 00:08:59 | [HO]vo|t | how do you think that? |
| 00:09:10 | [HO]vo|t | well, why, rather than how |
| 00:09:14 | linuxstb | If it's stored on disk? |
| 00:09:29 | Bagder | due to the slooooooooowness |
| 00:10:14 | [HO]vo|t | Test on my iAudio x5, from full charge playing 66 songs of 192kbps mp3 with 10 second caption backlight (so that's total 20 seconds of backlight for every songchange, 5.5 min song length avg). First day, no headphones plugged on volume -24, 13h 6m; Second day, stock headphones plugged on volume -6, 13h 26m. |
| 00:10:59 | Soap | I'd call that a wash. |
| 00:11:08 | Soap | Thanks for testing, though! |
| 00:11:17 | [HO]vo|t | Wash? |
| 00:11:35 | Soap | no winner - even - equal. |
| 00:11:56 | pi | if this patch were to be commited i think it would work fot the player: |
| 00:11:58 | pi | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5294 |
| 00:12:24 | amiconn | Bagder: Why do you wasnt to remove support for the player???? |
| 00:12:27 | [HO]vo|t | aha understood. the "first day" was only the second full power cycle it was through, so i bet i'm still breaking in the battery... if that's possible? |
| 00:12:57 | amiconn | I don't see any reason to remove it. |
| 00:12:59 | Bagder | amiconn: to simplify code for the rest, to give player owners better rockbox |
| 00:13:07 | Soap | some people say so, but there are lots of "voodoo" beliefs about batteries, and I haven't seen any hard numbers. |
| 00:13:20 | Bagder | I don't see any reason to keep it actually |
| 00:13:35 | amiconn | Removing it from head means it won't get any new features |
| 00:13:42 | Bagder | of course |
| 00:13:48 | [HO]vo|t | Soap: well i'll do another one tonight as soon as it charges and maybe i'll show you some numbers. |
| 00:13:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Soap: There are hard numbers, but I don't believe for Lithiom Ion batteries like these. |
| 00:13:56 | amiconn | Rockbox works on player, and it works well, and stable. |
| 00:14:02 | Bagder | but can anyone name three people that use bleeding edge on Archos Player? |
| 00:14:09 | amiconn | That can't be said about any of the new targets... |
| 00:14:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:14:22 | Bagder | but it will continue working |
| 00:14:28 | Bagder | even when we move it out |
| 00:14:38 | amiconn | It also has no problems accomodating (not too demanding) new features |
| 00:14:54 | amiconn | The binary is around 160KB right now |
| 00:15:03 | Bagder | it is a cumbersome target that alone adds lots of complexity |
| 00:15:07 | amiconn | ?? |
| 00:15:10 | amiconn | where? |
| 00:15:24 | amiconn | The buttons are easier to work with than, say, ipod, or Ondio |
| 00:15:51 | [HO]vo|t | Mmmm gave me a link earlier today to a patch he wanted me to try - but the page is down (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/recordingscreenbuttacc.patch) |
| 00:15:55 | * | preglow thinks he supports this notion |
| 00:15:56 | amiconn | And there's always room for improvement |
| 00:15:56 | Bagder | player owners just don't want or need what we do these days |
| 00:16:11 | Bagder | heck, nobody knows if we break the player builds |
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| 00:16:20 | amiconn | I will always know |
| 00:16:25 | amiconn | I have a player, and use it |
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| 00:16:48 | Bagder | you miss my point |
| 00:16:50 | amiconn | It's actually a very convenient device for in-car use |
| 00:16:50 | Bagder | YOU do yes |
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| 00:16:55 | Bagder | YOU do a lot of stuff |
| 00:17:18 | amiconn | There's still that request to support cyrillic |
| 00:17:18 | Bagder | I don't think that is a reason enough |
| 00:17:46 | amiconn | I have ideas how that can be done, and even have the beginnings of replacement tables |
| 00:18:16 | amiconn | Very possible since the introduction of unicode |
| 00:18:28 | Mikachu | can't you just check the server logs how many people download the archos builds? |
| 00:18:36 | preglow | have we got any idea how many users there are? |
| 00:18:46 | preglow | or any statistics on downloads for player, for example |
| 00:19:03 | Bger | hey, speaking of cyrillic, what about adding cyr and greek to the default font ? |
| 00:19:23 | Mikachu | and japanese and chinese and arabic and... |
| 00:19:27 | amiconn | Bg3r: I'd rather remove any support of non-ascii from the default |
| 00:19:37 | Bger | heh |
| 00:19:52 | Bger | Mikachu: 26 letters, not ~ 10^3 and up .. |
| 00:19:59 | amiconn | All user screens should be adapted to work with the user font |
| 00:20:34 | amiconn | The default should only be used for debug stuff and panic messages |
| 00:20:57 | Bger | hm, u're right |
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| 00:23:12 | Bger | but then again ... we need a way to prevent switching to some language if the user font doesn't have glyphs for it .. |
| 00:24:04 | amiconn | preglow, Bagder: The download stats for archos builds are probably not very representative. People tend to go for 'stable' builds, and since we didn't do a release for quite some time, there's little reason to download a new one |
| 00:24:26 | Bagder | and since we don't add anything new for the Player, there's no other reason either... |
| 00:24:27 | amiconn | ...unless they're aware of the new features and want to try these |
| 00:24:31 | preglow | it would still be an interesting figure |
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| 00:24:49 | [HO]vo|t | i agree, back when i had a recorder v2 i would download a daily build maybe once a month |
| 00:24:49 | amiconn | Bagder: Huh? There's loads of new stuff for all targets since 2.5... |
| 00:24:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not include the Player up to the next release, and see how many downloads it gets there, before considering removing it from the head? |
| 00:25:13 | Bagder | amiconn: there's _some_ new stuff for the Player, yes, but ask any random player owner on the lists what they use... |
| 00:25:56 | preglow | still, i'd love to see people's thoughts on the matter |
| 00:26:08 | preglow | so an ml message would be interesting |
| 00:26:32 | Bagder | yes, gonna post it tomorrow |
| 00:26:41 | amiconn | Furthermore, I don't see where the 'lots' of added complexity are |
| 00:27:00 | amiconn | There's some more complexity because of the charcell lcd, but that's it |
| 00:27:10 | Bagder | its different enough to cause problems, more so than the average new target |
| 00:27:33 | preglow | and it's almost certainly alone among all our current and future targets in having a charcell dislpay |
| 00:27:52 | Bger | what's the chance of getting a new target with charcell lcd ? |
| 00:27:57 | Bagder | I think the reasons all taken together is what counts, not each individual one |
| 00:28:01 | preglow | pretty much zero |
| 00:28:06 | amiconn | I think the ipod lcd remotes are charcell |
| 00:28:26 | amiconn | ...or at least are controlled like charcell, via the accessory protocol |
| 00:28:30 | Bger | yeah, i'm mainly thinking about remotes .. |
| 00:29:11 | preglow | charcell displays on daps should be outlawed |
| 00:29:16 | amiconn | why? |
| 00:29:24 | Bagder | besides, amiconn is the only dev on this unit so removing support for it will let amiconn work on other targets more ;-) |
| 00:29:33 | amiconn | haha |
| 00:29:52 | amiconn | Removing one of my targets will most likely make me disappointed, and work less on everything rockbox |
| 00:30:12 | Bagder | it'll only be branched off |
| 00:30:24 | Bagder | or rather "it would" |
| 00:30:27 | amiconn | preglow: Charcell displays are efficient information display devices imho |
| 00:30:41 | preglow | amiconn: how so any more than a bitmap one? |
| 00:30:49 | preglow | everything a charcell does, bitmap displays can too |
| 00:30:52 | amiconn | You need to move less data |
| 00:31:00 | preglow | yes, sure, but that's not really a major concern for me |
| 00:31:16 | preglow | they're efficient in that way, but it's by no means the biggest resource hog for ordinary use |
| 00:31:51 | amiconn | Then why does scrolling through lists cause skipping on ipod, esp. video? ;) |
| 00:32:10 | preglow | does it still? |
| 00:32:14 | amiconn | yes, sure |
| 00:32:15 | preglow | i've only got a nano |
| 00:32:26 | Soap | skips bigtime when scolling. |
| 00:32:27 | amiconn | I've read multiple reports about that |
| 00:32:35 | preglow | a bit of a moot point anyway, if we were to update only as much information as a charcell contains, we wouldn't be skipping |
| 00:32:43 | amiconn | Yes |
| 00:32:47 | preglow | biggest charcell i 've got here is four lines |
| 00:33:08 | preglow | but sure, they are efficient |
| 00:33:22 | Soap | and (not tested) larger fonts seem to make the skipping worse, which seems counterintuitive. |
| 00:33:23 | amiconn | But if we would update just as much information as on a charcell display, you wouldn't be able to read anything |
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| 00:34:22 | amiconn | Big charcell (16charsx4 lines) is 64bytes. Now how many pixels are that on a 16bit colour bitmap display? |
| 00:35:21 | preglow | tons |
| 00:35:22 | preglow | but anyway |
| 00:35:25 | amiconn | (that's another reason why I don't like colour lcds that much. The primary one is non-readability w/o backlight) |
| 00:35:33 | preglow | the reason i don't like charcells is just good old lack of flexibility |
| 00:35:41 | preglow | not any resource issues |
| 00:35:59 | preglow | i like being able to code eq graph plots |
| 00:36:08 | amiconn | It's debatable whether this kind of flexibility is good or bad |
| 00:36:11 | linuxstb | I have to say I can't see any problem with keeping support for the player - as people have said, almost no new developments work on it anyway, so it's no work to support... |
| 00:36:17 | preglow | amiconn: how can it be bad? |
| 00:36:28 | preglow | i mean, possibly, at all |
| 00:36:51 | preglow | are you saying swcodec is bad as well? |
| 00:36:53 | Mikachu | what is wrong with that patch on the tracker that makes the scrolling code update less lines? |
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| 00:37:22 | Mikachu | it has bitrotted so i couldn't try it |
| 00:37:28 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Probably nothing - I think it's just been forgotten... |
| 00:37:32 | amiconn | The flexibility of bitmap displays causes developers (including myself) to work on graphical gimmicks instead of core functionality |
| 00:37:34 | mirak | hem what kind of operation mmx and such bring ? Is emac comparable to that or really not ? |
| 00:37:39 | Bagder | Mikachu: diffenbach's ? |
| 00:37:44 | Mikachu | i'm not sure whose |
| 00:37:52 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes, I think so. |
| 00:38:11 | Mikachu | yeah, it is |
| 00:38:12 | Bagder | we gave him CVS access to let him work on his things |
| 00:38:14 | Mikachu | 5591 |
| 00:38:30 | linuxstb | Is he earHertz? |
| 00:38:32 | Bagder | so I would guess he ran out of time |
| 00:38:49 | Mikachu | it sounds like something worth picking up |
| 00:39:57 | Bger | nite all |
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| 00:40:16 | amiconn | There's another idea how to improve update speed - let the drawing code track which parts of the screen changed (a 'dirty rectangle') and have an update function that updates only this part |
| 00:40:18 | preglow | amiconn: so you're just plain opposed to everything that doesn't involve good old-fashioned music playback? |
| 00:40:56 | Febs | amiconn, you're assuming that those developers who work on graphics would work on core functionality if they couldn't work on graphics. |
| 00:41:06 | Febs | Maybe they simply wouldn't work on Rockbox at all. |
| 00:41:07 | preglow | and i wouldn't, that's for sure |
| 00:41:07 | amiconn | Not at all. But working, reliable playback should still be the primary goal |
| 00:41:27 | preglow | i'm still in this for the fun |
| 00:41:33 | preglow | and coding playback isn't my idea of fun |
| 00:42:30 | Bagder | I'm in it purely for all the profit |
| 00:42:36 | amiconn | One of my ideas of fun is pushing limits - and this way coding for archos is more fun than for any of the new targets |
| 00:42:37 | preglow | and the chicks |
| 00:43:29 | linuxstb | You can push the limits of the new players quite easily - video for example. |
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| 00:43:39 | preglow | and codecs |
| 00:43:40 | preglow | easily |
| 00:43:45 | preglow | have a look at he-aac |
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| 00:45:51 | preglow | it's just different |
| 00:46:09 | preglow | but hell no, i love the flexibility that comes with software decoding and bitmap displays |
| 00:46:34 | amiconn | Try coding for the MAS DSP core... |
| 00:46:36 | preglow | eq plots and spectrographs don't really enhance music playback, but for some people, they're nice to have |
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| 00:47:16 | preglow | the mas dsp core is designed by people with a penchant for whisky |
| 00:47:16 | amiconn | Btw, there's a NODO in the manual for archos which is no longer true |
| 00:47:50 | preglow | it's hard to program even by dsp chip standards |
| 00:50:06 | linuxstb | Speaking of the NODO, I'm not sure why support for alternative filesystems is there - IMO, NODO should be for things which are technically impossible, not things we don't want to do. |
| 00:50:10 | preglow | sweet lord! hallelujah! |
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| 00:50:15 | preglow | asusfan started working again! |
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| 00:51:19 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:52:41 | preglow | linuxstb: definitely agreed |
| 00:53:10 | amiconn | alternative filesystems in NODO is correct for archos |
| 00:53:37 | amiconn | The archos loader cannot boot from anything else than FAT32 (FAT16 for Ondio) |
| 00:53:54 | Mikachu | you can't partition it? |
| 00:53:58 | amiconn | You can |
| 00:53:59 | linuxstb | But can't we replace the Archos loader? |
| 00:54:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: Only if the unit is flashable |
| 00:54:53 | linuxstb | But as Mikachu said, even for non-flashable devices, you could have a small FAT32 "boot partition", and the rest of the disk in any format. |
| 00:55:25 | amiconn | *some* players, *most* recorders, probably all fm/v2 recorders, and surely all Ondios are flashable |
| 00:55:55 | amiconn | You can make a non-flashable unit flashable if you are able to change a TSOP32 chip |
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| 00:58:17 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact such things are a very good reason to keep the older targets in head. |
| 00:58:57 | amiconn | Even if we do not want features like alternative filesystems in cvs for them, they are useful for testing code |
| 00:59:39 | preglow | we're not talking about older targets, just player :> |
| 00:59:44 | * | amiconn remembers debugging FAT16 and multivolume support (introduced for Ondio) on his player |
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| 01:00:21 | webguest00 | hi! can someone tell me more about the release of rockbox 3.0? is it ever exist a beta? |
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| 01:00:22 | amiconn | That was in fact very useful - MMCs of the size where some problems occured weren't available back then |
| 01:00:41 | preglow | webguest00: there's the daily and bleeding edge builds |
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| 01:01:22 | amiconn | There are some debug facilities on archos which aren't available on the newer targets |
| 01:02:29 | webguest00 | thank, but i haven't found on the wiki why there isn't any "stable" release. |
| 01:02:38 | linuxstb | As I said, I'm in favour of keeping support for the Player in CVS - its existence never inconvenienced me. |
| 01:02:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest00: Because the code has never reached a point deemed release-ready? |
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| 01:05:21 | preglow | chatty fellow |
| 01:05:46 | linuxstb | Or maybe just cgi-irc problems... |
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| 01:06:44 | BHSPitMonkey | hey |
| 01:06:49 | | Part pi |
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| 01:07:09 | BHSPitMonkey | can I ask a vague PC-related Q in here, since there's not much else going on |
| 01:07:25 | [HO]vo|t | Yes. |
| 01:07:41 | BHSPitMonkey | is it okay to dd a small drive onto a new larger drive? |
| 01:07:50 | BHSPitMonkey | will the remainder just be usable unpartitioned space? |
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| 01:13:14 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: Sounds feasible to me. |
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| 01:17:10 | * | linuxstb wonders why his mpegplayer commits didn't start a new build |
| 01:18:03 | linuxstb | It's just started... |
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| 01:18:17 | amiconn | I had that effect yesterday too |
| 01:18:37 | amiconn | My commit first showed up on the frontpage, then started a builkd a few minutes later |
| 01:18:42 | linuxstb | Seemed to take 5 minutes to start. |
| 01:18:46 | amiconn | It used to work the other way round... |
| 01:19:01 | linuxstb | Ah yes, my commit is on the frontpage. |
| 01:19:03 | amiconn | ...and only take one minute from commit to start-of-build |
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| 01:24:20 | * | linuxstb sees a green build table and heads for bed |
| 01:24:30 | amiconn | 272fps on the iriver remote @124MHz :-) |
| 01:24:38 | amiconn | (w/o ticking reduction) |
| 01:25:12 | linuxstb | Nice. rvf playback next? |
| 01:25:14 | amiconn | 170fps @45MHz |
| 01:25:40 | amiconn | No, next thing is porting my techniques to the X5 remote |
| 01:25:51 | BHSPitMonkey | was that guy saying the other day that mpegplayer was (sort of) playing an mp4? |
| 01:25:56 | preglow | me bed |
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| 01:25:57 | preglow | night |
| 01:26:01 | BHSPitMonkey | or was he just mistaken/bs'ing |
| 01:26:03 | BHSPitMonkey | night preglow |
| 01:26:47 | mirak | BHSPitMonkey: I ported the xvid codec some month ago, but the codec is big, and it wasn't comited in cvs |
| 01:26:54 | mirak | xvid plugin I mean |
| 01:27:01 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: It's only an MPEG1/MPEG2 decoder, but maybe it can display something from an MPEG-4 file, I've no idea. |
| 01:27:28 | BHSPitMonkey | hmm, k |
| 01:27:30 | mirak | there is no backward compatiblity between mpeg4 and mpeg2 |
| 01:27:43 | mirak | unlike mpeg1 and mpeg2 |
| 01:28:02 | mirak | that would be forward compat in fact ... |
| 01:28:04 | mirak | good night |
| 01:29:22 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: Have you tried mv_player in IPL? |
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| 01:32:54 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb, no, my iPod's out of commision for the time being too |
| 01:33:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently Simple Machines Forums supports birthdates prior Dec 31, 1969, and I've been told it's most likely the PHP version. =/ |
| 01:34:38 | linuxstb | Is the source code to our forum software available? |
| 01:35:28 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: 1 jan 1970 is the start of unix time :) |
| 01:36:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I'm aware of that. :) |
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| 01:36:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It is as far as I know. |
| 01:37:00 | linuxstb | And Jan 19th 2038 is the end of unix time... |
| 01:39:17 | Mikachu | with 32 bits |
| 01:40:38 | Mikachu | ssh account@64bitmachine |
| 01:40:43 | Mikachu | % strftime %x 4294967296 |
| 01:40:44 | Mikachu | 2106-02-07 |
| 01:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, later I'll find out what PHP version we're running. It seems unlikely to me we'd be using one old enough to not have such a bug fixed. |
| 01:42:10 | linuxstb | If you wait 100 years, the bug will fix itself... |
| 01:42:54 | Mikachu | that wasn't a limit or anything |
| 01:43:03 | Mikachu | with 32 bits you can only go to half of that, ie 2038, since it's signed |
| 01:43:11 | Mikachu | i just had 2^32 in my clipboard :) |
| 01:43:17 | ze | with signed 32bits and jan 1 1970 epoch, it can go 1902 - 2038 |
| 01:43:46 | ze | i never heard anybody complain about the year 1902 problem |
| 01:44:01 | Mikachu | % strftime %x 8796093022208 |
| 01:44:02 | Mikachu | 280707-02-04 |
| 01:44:07 | Mikachu | that's just 2^43 |
| 01:44:10 | Mikachu | :) |
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| 01:49:48 | * | amiconn always wondered why the unix time is signed |
| 01:50:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why we have this bug if Unix time is signed. |
| 01:50:44 | amiconn | Maybe it's unsigned-signed, i.e. the variable is signed, but no software expects it to actually become negative |
| 01:50:49 | Mikachu | amiconn: so you can have dates before ? |
| 01:50:55 | Mikachu | 1970? even |
| 01:51:10 | Mikachu | maybe the php code uses it like it's unsigned |
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| 02:39:24 | samnmax | hello. i just installed RockBox on my iPod Mini (with a broken screen) and the Voice functions have saved me from buying a whole new iPod....I was wondering if somebody could tell me before I go looking everywhere for it if an iTrip mini would still work after RockBox is installed? thanks |
| 02:42:36 | coob | as long as rockbox kicks out power |
| 02:42:38 | scorche | it would not |
| 02:42:54 | coob | it should, but i don't knwo if it does |
| 02:43:00 | samnmax | then i will test it |
| 02:43:09 | scorche | the only fm transmitters that will work with rockbox atm, are ones that plug into just the headphone port |
| 02:43:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It probably doesn't at this time |
| 02:43:18 | coob | might need ot tweak rockbox to turn ppower on on the pins |
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| 02:43:56 | samnmax | can anyone reccomend me to an FM transmitter that plugs only into the phones port? |
| 02:44:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any FM transmitter that says it works with non-iPod players. |
| 02:44:18 | samnmax | oh ok |
| 02:44:21 | Bloody_Sorcerer | belkin tunecast FM? |
| 02:44:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless it's made for some other specific player only. |
| 02:44:33 | Bloody_Sorcerer | and argh my cygwin pooped the bed. |
| 02:45:40 | scorche | Bloody_Sorcerer: from the looks of it, it should work with rockbox |
| 02:47:06 | Bloody_Sorcerer | argh |
| 02:47:09 | Bloody_Sorcerer | why did it break |
| 02:47:10 | Bloody_Sorcerer | *grumbles* |
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| 03:24:00 | [HO]vo|t | 192kbps mp3 vs. standard flac... i can't hear a difference :/ |
| 03:26:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | The average person can't. |
| 03:26:42 | [HO]vo|t | i don't feel so bad, then. 192kbps ftw :) |
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| 03:33:24 | Soap | use a LAME preset with an average of ~192 and it will be better still, and can be smaller. 192kbps is a waste of bits for many samples. |
| 03:33:49 | Bloody_Sorcerer | VBR FTW! |
| 03:34:02 | Bloody_Sorcerer | or just use ogg at a lower setting ;) |
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| 03:44:10 | [HO]vo|t | I have heard that converting files between or even at the same bitrates damages the quality of the song - i remember a test sample of some Metallica song that was run through the same conversion 666 times and it came out sounding like it was like 16kbps |
| 03:44:56 | [HO]vo|t | so i'm a bit skeptical of converting files to save a little bit of space, even my 320kbps songs i don't really want to touch |
| 03:45:29 | Bloody_Sorcerer | yeah |
| 03:45:40 | Bloody_Sorcerer | generation loss occurs in lossy formats even if the quality levels stay the same |
| 03:45:42 | Bloody_Sorcerer | unfortunately |
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| 03:47:55 | [HO]vo|t | i have a few albums on my computer as flac, i think i am going to convert to 192kbps vbr mp3 - would save me mp3 player battery life as well as storage |
| 03:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Converting from FLAC to anything is the same as converting from a CD to it. |
| 03:51:55 | Bloody_Sorcerer | ^^true dat^^ |
| 03:52:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least, the same as converting from what it was before FLAC. So MP3->FLAC->MP3 is the same as MP3->MP3. CD->FLAC->WAV->ALAC->APE->SHN->MP3 is the same as CD->MP3 as they're all lossless (assuming you're doing uncompressed WAV) |
| 03:52:47 | Bloody_Sorcerer | what he said ;) |
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| 03:53:45 | [HO]vo|t | Is uncompressed WAV called "PCM 44.100kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo" by Winamp ? It says 172 kb/sec |
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| 03:54:07 | [HO]vo|t | but i think it means KB because the files i get from that are way huge |
| 03:54:29 | scorche | hmmm....looks like a bank nearby is offering a free ipod nano if you sign up for an account...i can get a nano to test things on too now! |
| 03:54:32 | * | scorche dances |
| 03:54:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:55:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | [HO]vo|t: Yeah, that should be uncompressed. |
| 03:55:14 | [HO]vo|t | Paul_The_Nerd: Thx |
| 03:55:20 | scorche | and only a $25 cancellation fee, so a nano for basically $25 |
| 03:55:35 | [HO]vo|t | lol way to go man |
| 03:55:37 | * | scorche can see no other catch other than he may have to wait up to 60 days to recieve it |
| 03:55:52 | Bloody_Sorcerer | lmao |
| 03:56:29 | scorche | i think that this is the first time that RL spam has ever had something actually good |
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| 03:59:26 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: are you online? |
| 03:59:39 | [HO]vo|t | Paul_The_Nerd: So far, my first power cycle had 13h 6m uptime, second was 13h 26m, and i just put it down for the third |
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| 04:00:28 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you know at what time exactly you will lock the forums? |
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| 04:01:13 | Soap | I've seen banks offering ipod shufles before, but never a nano. 25 bucks is a steal, even for the 1 gig model. Where do you live scorche? |
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| 04:01:59 | scorche | Soap: slc, ut area...it is keybank offering it...i believe they are a national branch, so you might be in luck |
| 04:02:11 | scorche | s/bank/branch |
| 04:02:19 | Soap | yea, we have Key Bank here. |
| 04:02:45 | scorche | might be worth checking out, could just be this local branch offering it though |
| 04:03:17 | Soap | you have a key.com link for the offer? |
| 04:03:55 | scorche | actually...on the flyer, it says "To open a free checking account and get a free nano, stop by any KeyCenter, call 1-888-539-1234 or visit key.com" |
| 04:03:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: A little bit over 5 hours from now. Also, unlocked that post. It was actually about Rockbox. |
| 04:04:04 | Soap | I see the link now |
| 04:04:07 | Soap | Business checking. |
| 04:04:07 | scorche | Soap: it was RL spam ;) |
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| 04:04:36 | scorche | offer ends september 9, 2006 |
| 04:04:57 | scorche | (so if you live in the US, it *should* be available to you as well) |
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| 04:05:53 | XavierGr | Paul: I am amazed with your repsonse time. Eye of the beholder.... :P |
| 04:05:58 | Soap | I think I am going to have to do it. |
| 04:06:11 | XavierGr | Sorry for that though I thought they were discussing something about iPod linux |
| 04:06:21 | [HO]vo|t | is there anything on the key.com web page that references the ipod? |
| 04:06:35 | Soap | yea |
| 04:06:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: It is confusing because they keep referring to it as "iBoy" controls, which isn't what the patch is named or anything. But I happened to know of the patch, which is in fact based off the iBoy control scheme. |
| 04:06:46 | Soap | https://www.key.com/html/LP-natnanobiz.html |
| 04:06:47 | [HO]vo|t | https://www.key.com/html/LP-natnano.html < webpage for keybank |
| 04:06:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Without it applied, Rockboy is nearly unusable on the iPod. |
| 04:07:33 | XavierGr | Ok thanks for clearing that up |
| 04:08:09 | XavierGr | So in 5 hours you are going to move the new posts (3 pages) to the new forums? |
| 04:08:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 04:08:32 | XavierGr | I want to help but it is 5 am here, I don't know if I will be awake until then |
| 04:08:33 | [HO]vo|t | Soap: ew on the requirements: *You must open a Key Express Free Checking (this is the basic banking account in NY), Key Advantage Checking or a Key Privilege Checking account (offer excludes Student Checking) between July 23, 2006, and September 9, 2006, and have a direct deposit transaction or obtain a KeyBank credit card (excludes Student credit card) by October 31, 2006 |
| 04:08:37 | XavierGr | I will try though |
| 04:08:39 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: when you do lock it, can you notify us in irc so we can help? |
| 04:08:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Don't worry about it. If you're asleep that's fine. |
| 04:08:56 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: what is so bad about that? |
| 04:08:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yes, I'll notify everyone here. |
| 04:09:55 | [HO]vo|t | scorche: idk, how easy do you suppose it will be to get a keybank credit card? |
| 04:10:03 | XavierGr | that accel guy in the forums is really annoying |
| 04:10:14 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: or a direct deposit |
| 04:10:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I expected many people to be asleep while I was doing it. The idea was that the majority of users are asleep, so that it'll inconvenience the fewest number of people. |
| 04:10:31 | XavierGr | his last post was quite rude |
| 04:10:53 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah you choosed the right time |
| 04:10:54 | [HO]vo|t | scorche: in my experience direct deposit takes like 3 or 4 weeks to set up, but maybe i just have had slow companies |
| 04:11:22 | scorche | it just says a direct deposit transaction |
| 04:11:39 | Soap | I'm assuming you could directly deposit from another bank account. |
| 04:11:48 | scorche | as am i |
| 04:12:16 | [HO]vo|t | scorche: i think it's referring to direct deposit as in, you give your employer your bank account number and your paycheck is direct deposited |
| 04:12:48 | scorche | even if that is the case, if you have friends, that is hardly difficult to do |
| 04:12:57 | [HO]vo|t | how so? |
| 04:13:57 | scorche | we can call key bank to find out also... |
| 04:14:10 | scorche | (thanks skype for free calls!) |
| 04:14:29 | scorche | in fact, i will do that now... |
| 04:14:45 | [HO]vo|t | well in any case, thanks a lot for the heads up, i will definitely stop in at keybank and inquire about opening an account and getting a credit card |
| 04:15:44 | Soap | this is a business checking account - I see nothing about requiring direct deposit or a CC. I see a requirement to sign up for online bill-pay and pay at least one bill with the service. |
| 04:15:56 | [HO]vo|t | plus, you don't even have to pay the $25 early termination fee if you get the "free checking" account, just keep a positive balance for 6 months |
| 04:16:06 | [HO]vo|t | maybe we're looking at different offers? |
| 04:16:15 | scorche | Soap: i think this is different |
| 04:16:34 | [HO]vo|t | yes! there are two different offers, one for buisness and one for personal |
| 04:16:46 | scorche | hrm...outside of hours of operation...i will call tomorrow and let you guys know |
| 04:17:14 | [HO]vo|t | about 10 minutes ago I posted the one I'm looking at, https://www.key.com/html/LP-natnano.html |
| 04:17:31 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: it looks liek they do not support linking in that manner |
| 04:18:46 | [HO]vo|t | hmm, then try going to www.key.com then clicking "Free Ipod Nano" on the bottom right (second link under "Special Offers") |
| 04:19:07 | scorche | i did |
| 04:19:12 | scorche | just telling you =) |
| 04:19:39 | [HO]vo|t | thanks =) then i'm telling everyone that is silently following our conversation |
| 04:19:42 | Soap | I didn't realize our links were different until just now, (three letters you know) but this is way OT... |
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| 04:20:01 | [HO]vo|t | rockbox runs on nanos! |
| 04:20:14 | [HO]vo|t | or, could? i haven't followed ipod+rockbox |
| 04:20:25 | [HO]vo|t | and free ones means more potential devs |
| 04:21:12 | scorche | it does run on nanos |
| 04:21:22 | [HO]vo|t | swweeeeet |
| 04:22:01 | scorche | indeed...i was excited when i found that on my door =) |
| 04:22:31 | [HO]vo|t | heck yeah, and i'm just as excited right now - i mean, you don't even have to pay the $25 cancel fee if you don't mind putting a few bucks in a farse account |
| 04:23:12 | scorche | well, like i said, i will call them tomorow and find out the specifics on "direct deposit" |
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| 04:24:27 | Soap | PM me when you do find out scorche. |
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| 04:24:37 | [HO]vo|t | same :) |
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| 05:37:52 | recorderv1user | hello fellas |
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| 05:39:21 | Recorder20v1User | NE1 have a fix for phantom stops? |
| 05:39:37 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't even know what those are. |
| 05:39:56 | Recorder20v1User | on the Archos Recorder 20 v1... |
| 05:39:56 | fatherfork | haha |
| 05:40:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well yeah. |
| 05:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a Recorder 20 v1 |
| 05:40:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that doesn't mean I know what they are. |
| 05:40:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd guessed from your name that was what you used. |
| 05:40:27 | sharpe | I'm back, and I bear gifts of laughter and entertainment from afar. |
| 05:40:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it a problem only some people experience, or something relatively uncommon? |
| 05:40:40 | Recorder20v1User | When the batts get lower than 40% playback stops when the harddrive is hit |
| 05:40:53 | Recorder20v1User | Happens to some people |
| 05:41:28 | Recorder20v1User | All my mp3s are at 192, so my harddrive gets hit more often to fill the buffer |
| 05:41:34 | sharpe | Well, what did those people do to fix it? |
| 05:41:55 | Recorder20v1User | Someone had a patch, but the link on the forum is outdated |
| 05:42:04 | sharpe | I would suggest the term 'accessed' rather than 'hit.' |
| 05:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Recorder20v1User: Out of curiosity, are you using a newer build, or still running 2.5? |
| 05:42:53 | Recorder20v1User | loaded 2.5.1 for the batt charge fix |
| 05:42:59 | Recorder20v1User | might go back to 2.4 |
| 05:43:13 | sharpe | ... |
| 05:43:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | You might try a somewhat newer build instead.. |
| 05:43:49 | Recorder20v1User | wasn't really looking towards daily builds, but might be worth a try |
| 05:44:24 | sharpe | I would probably suck as a comedian... |
| 05:44:29 | scorche | you do |
| 05:44:29 | Recorder20v1User | these phantom stops drive me nuts... |
| 05:44:52 | sharpe | scorche: :( |
| 05:44:59 | fatherfork | sharpe: hahaha |
| 05:45:18 | fatherfork | this buds for you |
| 05:45:56 | scorche | fatherfork: that is illegal |
| 05:46:03 | fatherfork | whoa there |
| 05:46:07 | sharpe | In most countries anyway. |
| 05:46:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wasn't that like... a slogan for Budweiser beer though? |
| 05:46:27 | scorche | it was |
| 05:46:30 | scorche | in the 80s |
| 05:46:31 | fatherfork | yes, it was |
| 05:46:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd seems to recall it from some sort of commercial. |
| 05:47:19 | scorche | i only know it was because i am a fan of a band that did a commercial saying that |
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| 05:48:13 | sharpe | scorche: I think it was used after the 80's... |
| 05:48:31 | scorche | as i said...i only know... |
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| 05:50:15 | sharpe | I'm bored. |
| 05:50:28 | fatherfork | is "phantom stop" a technical term? |
| 05:50:40 | sharpe | Not that I know of... |
| 05:51:11 | fatherfork | didn't think so |
| 05:52:17 | sharpe | Buffer underrun would fit it better. |
| 05:52:30 | fatherfork | yeah, I know that one |
| 05:53:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that shouldn't cause a stop |
| 05:53:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a skip. |
| 05:56:53 | sharpe | Maybe he meant it like, undetectable stop/pause in audio playback. Haha... |
| 05:57:41 | scorche | yes...you would starve to death as a comedian... |
| 05:57:59 | sharpe | Sure, a typing comedian, no doubt. |
| 05:58:20 | scorche | there is nothing but pity for your voice as well |
| 05:58:38 | sharpe | I hate you too scorche. |
| 05:58:49 | scorche | =) |
| 05:58:57 | [HO]vo|t | this channel is funny. |
| 05:59:31 | fatherfork | sharpe is funny |
| 05:59:40 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: for a channel that doesnt aim to be... |
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| 05:59:52 | scorche | fatherfork: dont give him false hope... |
| 05:59:57 | [HO]vo|t | well i am still really excited to get a free 1gb ipod nano :) |
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| 06:00:07 | fatherfork | why not? makes the fall so much more hilarious |
| 06:00:21 | scorche | true...go ahead |
| 06:00:33 | sharpe | Yep. Thanks. Great self-esteem booster you have there... |
| 06:00:34 | fatherfork | sharpe, you rock, keep on keepin on |
| 06:00:43 | fatherfork | haha |
| 06:01:05 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: just keep in mind that if you go the credit card option, and cancel it, it wont be free...in fact it could be bad |
| 06:01:19 | fatherfork | [HO]vo|t: how are you getting said nano? New apple computer purchase? |
| 06:01:28 | scorche | fatherfork: look in the logs |
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| 06:01:36 | fatherfork | good idea |
| 06:01:38 | Aggort | Anyone wanna help me tonight? |
| 06:01:45 | sharpe | That depends. |
| 06:01:50 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:02:08 | scorche | fatherfork: specifically 03.54.29 in today's |
| 06:02:08 | Aggort | OK, what is the easies tmethod to get Rockbox on my Nano? |
| 06:02:29 | scorche | Aggort: the way it says in the wiki under installation =) |
| 06:02:29 | Aggort | easiest method* |
| 06:02:31 | sharpe | Follow the installation instructions. |
| 06:02:40 | Aggort | THAT'S THE EASIEST? |
| 06:02:42 | Aggort | WTF?! |
| 06:02:51 | scorche | uh..no need to go ballistic here... |
| 06:02:52 | sharpe | Dude, it's like, six steps. Get over it. |
| 06:03:02 | Aggort | six steps and I don;t udnerstand any of it |
| 06:03:13 | [HO]vo|t | scorche: tell me how that could be bad? sorry minimized. |
| 06:03:41 | scorche | Aggort: it tells you exactly what to do...and in most cases, it even tells you the exact command to type |
| 06:04:02 | fatherfork | scorche: ah |
| 06:04:03 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: getting a credit card, and cancelling it is very bad for the credit report |
| 06:04:09 | Aggort | Why hasn't anyone come up with an installer? |
| 06:04:16 | fatherfork | they have |
| 06:04:26 | sharpe | We just can't help you if you have any problems. |
| 06:04:30 | Aggort | Wouldn't that be easier? |
| 06:04:31 | sharpe | With said installer. |
| 06:04:37 | [HO]vo|t | scorche: i thought so... |
| 06:04:38 | Aggort | *sigh* |
| 06:04:42 | scorche | Aggort: a few people have come up with one, but they are unsupported because they are not official |
| 06:04:51 | Aggort | ok |
| 06:05:00 | Aggort | So how long will the wiki method take me then? |
| 06:05:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aggort: If you do it right, less than three minutes. |
| 06:05:18 | fatherfork | it's really easy to do manually |
| 06:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aggort: The same method is also explained in the manual, and may be a little more readable. |
| 06:05:32 | Aggort | ok |
| 06:05:44 | fatherfork | and if you do it wrong, another 3 minutes to correct |
| 06:05:45 | Aggort | so can you guys possibly send me a link |
| 06:05:51 | fatherfork | oh man |
| 06:05:53 | Aggort | I am tihnking I was reading the wrong thing |
| 06:06:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try reading the manual then |
| 06:06:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | That'll definitely be the right thing |
| 06:06:45 | fatherfork | here's a new idea, post the link in here to where you are, and we'll tell you if you're hot or cold... |
| 06:06:52 | Aggort | got ya |
| 06:07:12 | sharpe | fatherfork: Hide and seek, only... in a true or false way. |
| 06:07:16 | Aggort | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 06:07:18 | fatherfork | indeed |
| 06:07:27 | fatherfork | ...hot |
| 06:07:35 | Aggort | ok |
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| 06:07:47 | sharpe | I hope you're on windows, also? |
| 06:10:13 | Aggort | yes |
| 06:10:14 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:10:21 | Aggort | I am not an idiot |
| 06:10:28 | Aggort | how will I know if it fginds my ipod? |
| 06:10:31 | fatherfork | man I just read where he freaked out... haha |
| 06:10:36 | Aggort | n/m |
| 06:10:53 | sharpe | Aggort: I guess you kept reading? |
| 06:10:58 | fatherfork | that's a quote worth repeating |
| 06:11:01 | Aggort | no no |
| 06:11:05 | sharpe | That rhymed. |
| 06:11:11 | fatherfork | haha |
| 06:11:30 | scorche | fatherfork: ? |
| 06:11:30 | sharpe | It found your iPod? |
| 06:13:51 | Aggort | ok wait |
| 06:13:58 | Aggort | I can't tell iff it found it or not |
| 06:13:59 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:14:04 | fatherfork | [pause] |
| 06:14:10 | sharpe | ... What does it say? |
| 06:15:53 | Aggort | start and end secotrs |
| 06:15:58 | Aggort | sectors* |
| 06:16:04 | Aggort | sizes |
| 06:16:17 | Aggort | types and such |
| 06:16:52 | sharpe | So... Does it show two partitions? |
| 06:17:14 | Aggort | Yes |
| 06:17:17 | Aggort | one emtpy |
| 06:17:35 | sharpe | That's your iPod. |
| 06:17:40 | Aggort | the other W95 FAT 32 |
| 06:17:54 | Aggort | ? iPods have FAT32 |
| 06:17:57 | Aggort | wow |
| 06:18:02 | Aggort | I learned somethingf |
| 06:18:21 | sharpe | Windows formatted iPods do. Mac formatted iPods has HFS+. |
| 06:18:29 | fatherfork | it depends, if you connect it to a mac first, it'll be HFS |
| 06:18:37 | fatherfork | ah, beat me |
| 06:18:44 | fatherfork | + |
| 06:19:11 | sharpe | Yep. I'm a quick one. |
| 06:19:18 | Aggort | I figured it wouldnt got with FAT32 though |
| 06:19:40 | Aggort | interesting |
| 06:19:41 | scorche | Aggort: well, it certainly wouldnt go NTFS... |
| 06:19:46 | fatherfork | just out of curiosity, what did you think it would be? |
| 06:19:47 | Aggort | I thought it did |
| 06:19:50 | Aggort | beleive it or not |
| 06:19:57 | Aggort | ? |
| 06:20:07 | Aggort | jk |
| 06:20:10 | Aggort | btw |
| 06:20:27 | sharpe | Haha, you got us. We thought you meant it. |
| 06:20:39 | scorche | Aggort: you know, you can put an entire sentence in one line ;) |
| 06:22:22 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:22:24 | Aggort | sorry |
| 06:22:32 | sharpe | You did it again... :) |
| 06:22:35 | fatherfork | yep |
| 06:22:52 | Aggort | ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin |
| 06:23:04 | fatherfork | your point is? |
| 06:23:06 | Aggort | ok and it could not open loader image |
| 06:23:13 | Aggort | bootloader-nano |
| 06:23:15 | Aggort | so? |
| 06:23:34 | Aggort | what does that mean |
| 06:23:35 | sharpe | Is there a bootloader-nano.bin in the current directory? |
| 06:24:18 | Aggort | no |
| 06:24:30 | sharpe | Well. That sounds like the problem. |
| 06:24:42 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:24:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 06:24:45 | Aggort | I got it now thanks |
| 06:24:55 | sharpe | Hey, I'm here to help. |
| 06:25:22 | fatherfork | "lol, I got it now thanks" would have been more up to speed. without the "lol", of course. |
| 06:25:36 | Bloody_Sorcerer | well shit, i have some encoding to do. |
| 06:25:41 | Bloody_Sorcerer | 137 gigs of unencoded vids is toooooo much |
| 06:26:00 | fatherfork | vob files? |
| 06:26:08 | Bloody_Sorcerer | yeppers |
| 06:26:12 | fatherfork | bummer |
| 06:26:16 | Aggort | k got it |
| 06:26:26 | Aggort | Hey, curiopiusty |
| 06:26:32 | Aggort | can I play vids with RockBox? |
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| 06:26:38 | Bloody_Sorcerer | its in devel |
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| 06:26:45 | Bloody_Sorcerer | only mpeg2 video streams right now iirc |
| 06:26:50 | sharpe | Yup. |
| 06:26:51 | Bloody_Sorcerer | (or is it mpeg1?) |
| 06:27:15 | fatherfork | mpeg1 right? and no audio. |
| 06:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mpeg1 or 2. No Audio. |
| 06:27:49 | Aggort | I already got a god dman arror |
| 06:27:53 | Aggort | what is arror -1? |
| 06:28:03 | fatherfork | what's an arror? |
| 06:28:09 | sharpe | It means you didn't follow all of the instructions. |
| 06:28:11 | Aggort | error ass |
| 06:28:12 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:28:15 | Aggort | WTF |
| 06:28:19 | Aggort | Yes I did |
| 06:28:34 | sharpe | Step 2. |
| 06:28:42 | Aggort | uhh |
| 06:28:43 | Aggort | btwe |
| 06:28:49 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Step_2_Install_Rockbox |
| 06:28:49 | Aggort | it is su;pposed to say that |
| 06:28:50 | fatherfork | wow, I just can't tear myself away from this conversation. |
| 06:28:51 | Aggort | I sjut read it |
| 06:29:08 | Aggort | I am glad I am being the butt of your jokes |
| 06:29:08 | Aggort | lol |
| 06:29:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aggort: Well, if you'd actually take the time to read things fully, it wouldn't be a problem. |
| 06:29:34 | Aggort | lmao |
| 06:30:58 | fatherfork | oh well, later guys. |
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| 06:32:01 | Aggort | Got it to work |
| 06:32:06 | Aggort | I am so sorry that I was such a alme ass |
| 06:32:15 | sharpe | :) |
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| 06:32:40 | COmputoman | Whats up |
| 06:32:50 | sharpe | Matter. |
| 06:33:01 | Aggort | OK |
| 06:33:06 | Aggort | so how do I play vids? |
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| 06:33:14 | COmputoman | I should have expected that huh? |
| 06:33:17 | Aggort | and what about Ogg files? |
| 06:33:25 | sharpe | Yes. You should've... :D |
| 06:33:30 | Aggort | and what about other themes |
| 06:33:31 | Aggort | ? |
| 06:33:38 | scorche | Aggort: read the manual/wiki |
| 06:33:45 | scorche | everything you have asked is in there |
| 06:34:24 | sharpe | Strange. A centralized location for Rockbox information. |
| 06:35:23 | | Part psychomaniac |
| 06:35:53 | Bloody_Sorcerer | well crap |
| 06:35:53 | Aggort | ok |
| 06:35:54 | Aggort | thanks |
| 06:35:59 | Bloody_Sorcerer | this is an absurd volume of encoding jobs |
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| 06:36:03 | Bloody_Sorcerer | i won't have my computer back for a week |
| 06:36:19 | scorche | <3 dual-core |
| 06:36:22 | sharpe | It's days like these I enjoy helping others. |
| 06:36:39 | Bloody_Sorcerer | scorche, my dual core build is taunting me about a foot away |
| 06:36:40 | Bloody_Sorcerer | with no RAM. |
| 06:36:49 | COmputoman | Hey sharpe, im having a bit of trouble finding the wiki for the doom plug in |
| 06:36:59 | COmputoman | I was trying to figure out where to drop the wad files |
| 06:37:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | COmputoman: Have you looked at PluginIndex? |
| 06:37:18 | scorche | COmputoman: have you tried searching the wiki for "doom? |
| 06:37:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or gee, typed "Doom" into the search box on the front page of the site? |
| 06:37:24 | COmputoman | yeh |
| 06:37:26 | sharpe | PluginDoom. |
| 06:37:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because all of those get you to it. |
| 06:37:47 | Bloody_Sorcerer | in short, RTFM |
| 06:37:59 | Bloody_Sorcerer | wait a minute |
| 06:38:07 | Bloody_Sorcerer | we don't have an M for finding stuff in said M do we... |
| 06:38:07 | sharpe | That's vulgar. |
| 06:38:11 | Bloody_Sorcerer | thats a conundrum |
| 06:38:20 | sharpe | We have a manual... |
| 06:38:26 | Bloody_Sorcerer | for using the wiki? |
| 06:38:40 | sharpe | No... we actually have a manual for each player... |
| 06:38:45 | Bloody_Sorcerer | yeah |
| 06:38:53 | COmputoman | found it |
| 06:38:56 | Bloody_Sorcerer | but the manual i was referring to would be one that would help him find said wiki page |
| 06:39:01 | COmputoman | sorry for wasting everyones proccessor |
| 06:39:08 | Bloody_Sorcerer | and as there is no such manual that i know of, my statement was out of line :) |
| 06:39:18 | sharpe | Arrg. Twenty thousand clock cycles... |
| 06:39:39 | Bloody_Sorcerer | none wasted here, encoding like mad now ;) |
| 06:39:56 | Bloody_Sorcerer | and trying to free up every last meg i can... |
| 06:41:56 | sharpe | I freed up around seventy or so gigs across all of my HDDs a day or two ago... |
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| 06:51:13 | Aggort | K I'm back |
| 06:51:20 | Aggort | for one thing I could not find |
| 06:51:26 | Aggort | How to get videos to work on Nano |
| 06:51:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Videos is not officially supported yet. You can play raw mpeg2 or mpeg1 streams in m1v and m2v format though |
| 06:52:09 | Aggort | That'd be nifty, sound? |
| 06:52:12 | COmputoman | The wad pack i have has a thousand wad files, it seems like they make the levels to the game. Where are these initial wad files they speak of in the wiki manual "doom.wad" |
| 06:52:24 | scorche | Aggort: not yet...as we said, it is in development |
| 06:52:31 | Aggort | It's ok |
| 06:52:33 | Aggort | cool |
| 06:52:39 | Aggort | Well that'd be nice |
| 06:52:46 | Aggort | I had iPodlinux |
| 06:52:46 | COmputoman | sorry to be off topic |
| 06:52:53 | Aggort | have* |
| 06:53:06 | Aggort | but for some reason on this nano it wouldnb;t work for my brother |
| 06:53:15 | Aggort | so I got him rockbox |
| 06:53:26 | scorche | COmputoman: it is on topic |
| 06:53:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | COmputoman: "initial"? |
| 06:53:44 | COmputoman | The main wad files, whatever you want to call it |
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| 06:53:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, the base wads |
| 06:54:06 | COmputoman | In the wiki it says Copy the Doom wad(s) you wish to play into that directory and start Doom. The wads doom looks for are: |
| 06:54:06 | COmputoman | * doom1.wad: Doom (Shareware) |
| 06:54:06 | COmputoman | * doom.wad: Doom |
| 06:54:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | COmputoman: You can only use additional levels with commercial copies of Doom. The shareware doom1.wad that's linked will not work with addons. Freedoom will though. Also, rockdoom.wad is required for anything to run. |
| 06:55:12 | COmputoman | I downloaded rockdoom and i have a commercial version of doom im pretty sure |
| 06:55:37 | COmputoman | But there are countless folders full of wad files |
| 06:56:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | You cannot legally download a commercial version of doom |
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| 06:58:46 | COmputoman | Is talking about how to install a copy of doom illegal? |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no installation. |
| 07:00:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | The wiki page tells you exactly what folder all wads you want to use need to be in. |
| 07:02:11 | COmputoman | ok sorry for wasting everyones time |
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| 07:10:14 | gotribego | anyone up? |
| 07:10:20 | gotribego | i have a question |
| 07:10:36 | gotribego | my ipod (5G, 60 gig with rockbox) was plugged into my computer |
| 07:11:15 | gotribego | my computer froze up so I had to turn the power off and turn the computer on again... did that have any negative effects on the ipod? |
| 07:11:50 | COmputoman | If you were transfering stuff, yes |
| 07:12:00 | COmputoman | If not, maybe, but probbably not |
| 07:12:01 | gotribego | fuck |
| 07:12:19 | sharpe | Probably just the file it was copying at the time either doesn't exist, or is corrupted. |
| 07:12:26 | gotribego | cause the computer froze like a min or two after i connected the ipod to the computer |
| 07:12:27 | COmputoman | yeah |
| 07:12:31 | gotribego | it was running "autoplay" |
| 07:12:48 | scorche | then likely, no damage was caused |
| 07:13:13 | gotribego | even though it froze up while autoplay was running? |
| 07:13:23 | scorche | autoplay is just something windows does |
| 07:13:40 | gotribego | is there any way to check the ipod to see if it has any errors ? |
| 07:14:11 | scorche | well, there is fsck for filesystem errors |
| 07:14:21 | sharpe | Eh, maybe scandisk? |
| 07:14:36 | scorche | oh..windows...yes, scandisk |
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| 07:14:50 | gotribego | but do those two utilities actually indicate or detect any errors ? |
| 07:15:05 | sharpe | Well, they're not just for show... |
| 07:15:05 | scorche | filesystem errors, yes |
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| 07:15:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | They'd be kinda pointless to recommend if they didn't do something useful. |
| 07:15:32 | gotribego | paul, what is ur take ? |
| 07:15:56 | gotribego | my computer froze up just as the ipod/windows was running AutoPlay |
| 07:16:15 | gotribego | is this something i should be worrying about? |
| 07:16:22 | sharpe | gotribego: I wouldn't. |
| 07:16:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | The same as their: If it was in the process of writing to the iPod, there is a chance of having a corrupt file. |
| 07:16:51 | scorche | however, autoplay does not write to the ipod |
| 07:17:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, autoplay usually means it's being read from |
| 07:17:19 | gotribego | cause the ipod was showing "do not disconnect" message |
| 07:17:24 | sharpe | Haha, so that's what the 'play' part means. :) |
| 07:17:26 | gotribego | when I had to force the computer off |
| 07:17:27 | scorche | it always shows that |
| 07:17:50 | scorche | ...when in disk mode |
| 07:17:56 | gotribego | u guys are familiar with sfv files right? |
| 07:18:13 | gotribego | if all the sfv files "check out" fine, that means im good to go correct? |
| 07:18:56 | sharpe | That'd be my guess. |
| 07:20:04 | gotribego | if there WAS a problem, would it be apparent? |
| 07:20:30 | sharpe | Yes, probably failing to match the CRC given, and the calculated one. |
| 07:20:41 | gotribego | oh i mean, the ipod |
| 07:20:47 | gotribego | would the ipod work correct |
| 07:21:10 | sharpe | What do SFV files have to do with your iPod? |
| 07:21:24 | scorche | sfv only verifies the actual files...not the state of your ipod |
| 07:21:36 | scorche | sharpe: compare checksums of the files |
| 07:22:07 | sharpe | scorche: eh? |
| 07:22:13 | gotribego | im asking, if my ipod got fucked up by the computer freezing while autoplay was going, would it be easy to know that it is f'ed up? |
| 07:22:44 | scorche | sharpe: to make sure that the files are not corrupted/changed |
| 07:22:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Look, we've told you what the problems that can reasonably occur are. |
| 07:23:00 | sharpe | scorche: i know what SFV files do? |
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| 07:25:38 | sharpe | scorche: so hah! ? |
| 07:25:51 | scorche | ? |
| 07:26:09 | sharpe | did you miss "<sharpe> Yes, probably failing to match the CRC given, and the calculated one." ? |
| 07:26:29 | scorche | what are we arguing about? |
| 07:26:41 | sharpe | me knowing what SFV files are for? |
| 07:26:53 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 07:26:56 | scorche | not worth it.. |
| 07:27:05 | sharpe | oh c'mon. |
| 07:27:10 | sharpe | it's totally worth it. |
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| 07:31:12 | lex | does mpeg playing work in real time now+ |
| 07:31:14 | lex | *? |
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| 07:31:42 | sharpe | That's a very broad question. |
| 07:32:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | gotribego just posted the exact same questions in the forums. |
| 07:32:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, not the exact, as he asked if he "bricked" his iPod. |
| 07:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | lex: MPEGs don't even play with audio yet. |
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| 07:32:51 | sharpe | Lets copy and paste the logs in the reply. |
| 07:32:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for realtime, that rather depends on how many FPS they're encoded at anyway. |
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| 07:33:11 | sharpe | Oooh. Can I? |
| 07:33:41 | sharpe | Aww. |
| 07:35:03 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: He replies! |
| 07:35:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | He's an idiot. |
| 07:35:22 | sharpe | Can i take care of this one? |
| 07:35:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The forums need to stay polite. |
| 07:35:58 | lex | Paul_The_Nerd: i know that |
| 07:36:05 | lex | Paul_The_Nerd: but frame skip... ;o |
| 07:36:19 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Pasting the same conversation, in case he has amnesia? :) |
| 07:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | lex: Frameskip isn't realtime then. |
| 07:36:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | lex: Frameskip is simulated realtime. But as the commit says, frameskip is now supported. |
| 07:36:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Maybe just paste a link to the IRC log for the day. |
| 07:38:19 | sharpe | Well, he is polite though. |
| 07:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | iPod users seem to have a unique definition of "bricked" |
| 07:39:45 | sharpe | Yes. |
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| 07:40:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many of them still have access to their iPod, but it's not working wholly, or they can't get it to play music but can still access the files, and call it "bricked" |
| 07:40:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd always considered "bricked" means "Has become as useful as a brick" |
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| 07:40:52 | sharpe | Or that they see the Apple error message with the Warning sign. |
| 07:42:09 | sharpe | Hmm. A relatively light-weight, thin brick in many cases. |
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| 07:55:22 | Bagder | we need a standards committee to properly define what 'bricking' really means |
| 07:57:09 | Bg3r | morning |
| 07:57:14 | Bg3r | :) |
| 07:57:34 | daurn|laptop | hi all |
| 07:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where do you find a standards committee at short notice? |
| 07:58:00 | sharpe | Bagder: No feaseable way to repair said bricked player? |
| 07:58:27 | daurn|laptop | Bagder: usually would mean flashing incorrect code to flash and subsecuently no longer being able to boot |
| 07:58:45 | sharpe | A google for "standards committee r us" turns up nothing. |
| 07:59:46 | Bagder | daurn|laptop: I wouldn't say it necessarily involves flashing... |
| 07:59:59 | sharpe | It could suffer physical damage. |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:21 | sharpe | Which, ironically enough, might be caused by a brick. |
| 08:00:22 | daurn|laptop | that would just be "breaking" it |
| 08:00:22 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 08:00:35 | daurn|laptop | i did once "brick" my psp |
| 08:00:39 | JdGordon | ISO 12345 - what exactly constitues a briking... |
| 08:00:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | My definition of bricking is "Unfixable with only software solutions" |
| 08:00:47 | daurn|laptop | but thats the physical meaning |
| 08:01:04 | daurn|laptop | - it got slammed into a brick wal |
| 08:01:05 | daurn|laptop | :P |
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| 08:01:22 | Bg3r | yeah, get a hammer |
| 08:01:24 | daurn|laptop | but, i'd say that the key thing is that its software, and causes no booting |
| 08:01:25 | sharpe | daurn|laptop: Like, it was in a fight? |
| 08:01:35 | * | Bagder remember the old mail with the guy who forgot his Archos on the roof of his car |
| 08:01:48 | daurn|laptop | sharpe: was in my bag, ripeed my jumper out, and it flew |
| 08:01:50 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 08:01:51 | Bagder | those rubber feet makes it sit there nicely at a quite high speed |
| 08:01:56 | Bagder | ... until you break |
| 08:02:03 | Bg3r | ahhh |
| 08:02:03 | Bagder | woooooosh |
| 08:02:06 | Bg3r | that hurts |
| 08:02:07 | sharpe | Or if it's raining. |
| 08:02:26 | Bagder | that bricked it ;-) |
| 08:02:59 | sharpe | Should have a picture for comparison, "If your player looks like this, chances are it is bricked." |
| 08:03:34 | sharpe | That'd only work for heavy physical damage though. :\ |
| 08:04:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1 hour. |
| 08:05:02 | sharpe | 60 minutes. |
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| 08:07:27 | amiconn | [08:00:20] <Paul_The_Nerd> My definition of bricking is "Unfixable with only software solutions" <== where would you draw the line? |
| 08:08:27 | amiconn | E.g. a mis-flashed archos is fixable with software and a small hardware mod (the serial port + uart boot mod) |
| 08:08:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: If it can be fixed without opening the player physically, then it's not bricked. |
| 08:08:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I consider something like that small hardware mod, a part of the process of un-bricking. |
| 08:08:56 | amiconn | ok |
| 08:09:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that's my personal definition. |
| 08:09:15 | Bagder | I'd say that's a pretty good definition |
| 08:09:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | One thing I definitely don't consider bricking is the "Sad Folder" on iPods. ;) |
| 08:09:30 | sharpe | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5593.0 |
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| 08:09:48 | sharpe | I know it's been replied to, but... |
| 08:09:57 | amiconn | Yes it is. But that means some cases of bricking can be fixed without sending the device to the manufacturer |
| 08:10:11 | | Part herz42 |
| 08:10:15 | midkay | sharpe: but? why did you just randomly link a topic? |
| 08:10:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The people are saying Menu+Select doesn't always work |
| 08:10:38 | Bagder | amiconn: sure, it just depends on the skills and tools of the person with the unit |
| 08:11:03 | midkay | .. and? there's also a post in the forums about playing doom on your iPod. i could randomly link that just the same. |
| 08:11:17 | midkay | what's the point of linking it? "here's a random topic, enjoy"? |
| 08:11:19 | sharpe | midkay: Because, I want to inconvenience your day by taking your valuable time to actually point that out to me. |
| 08:11:39 | midkay | sharpe: comma overuse, once again.. and thanks a lot, that's so amusing. |
| 08:12:13 | sharpe | God forbid I use one comma. |
| 08:12:15 | sharpe | :D |
| 08:12:25 | midkay | in the wrong place, yeah. |
| 08:14:16 | sharpe | It wasn't really a random link either, it had to do with bricked players. Or in this case, 'dead.' |
| 08:14:55 | JdGordon | amiconn: hey, im fixing the settings on all targets now.. on the recorder time screen up/down is inc/dec and left/right is move between settgins right? |
| 08:15:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:15:45 | JdGordon | righto |
| 08:16:28 | midkay | sharpe: thanks for not pointing that out. you know, because random links are always automatically associated in everyone's head with whatever *you* intend them to be associated with. |
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| 08:20:10 | JdGordon | does the ondio and player have the eq/time screens? |
| 08:20:35 | Bg3r | JdGordon: i don't think so |
| 08:20:37 | amiconn | None of the hwcodec devices has eq |
| 08:20:55 | amiconn | The player and Ondios have no rtc, so no time setting either |
| 08:21:12 | JdGordon | awesome, 2 less keymap files to fix then :) |
| 08:21:38 | amiconn | Hmm, h1x0 and h300 keymap should be split |
| 08:21:42 | amiconn | (or ifdefed) |
| 08:21:54 | JdGordon | for the tiny diferences? |
| 08:21:54 | amiconn | h1x0 has no time setting, h300 has |
| 08:22:19 | JdGordon | and colour... but it doesnt tadd much to the size does it? (but yes, it should be ifdefed) |
| 08:22:25 | JdGordon | dfinalty not split.. way too much shared |
| 08:22:26 | amiconn | Plus the physical button configuration is different, so we might want some assignments to be different |
| 08:23:09 | amiconn | There is one such different assignment I know of, not in the core though |
| 08:23:38 | sharpe | Haha. I'm close to having this pair of earbuds runied now. |
| 08:23:47 | sharpe | ruined. |
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| 08:27:52 | daurn|laptop | arg |
| 08:28:08 | daurn|laptop | whats TV out adaptor in chinese |
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| 08:31:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Our forums have 1638 members who've never posted... |
| 08:31:53 | daurn|laptop | whats TV out adaptor in chinese |
| 08:32:13 | midkay | daurn|laptop: we heard you the first time. |
| 08:32:33 | sharpe | daurn|laptop: Google translator? :) |
| 08:32:34 | daurn|laptop | i d/c'd when i said it |
| 08:32:35 | daurn|laptop | :S |
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| 08:32:43 | daurn|laptop | i need pronounctiation |
| 08:32:54 | midkay | how can we pronounce it to you? |
| 08:33:10 | midkay | so why would you even ASK? we can't give you a better text answer than google. |
| 08:33:22 | sharpe | Tel-e-viz-on? |
| 08:33:33 | midkay | that's not how you pronounce television. |
| 08:34:03 | sharpe | It's not how you spell it either. |
| 08:34:32 | daurn|laptop | arg |
| 08:34:38 | daurn|laptop | trying to get phone support from china |
| 08:34:38 | midkay | sharpe: so why did you say it? |
| 08:34:42 | qwm | richard sharpe. |
| 08:34:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I'm trying something new as well as our New Boards. There's a forum entitled Spam. It's *only* visible to registered members with 0 posts. It seems the first post of spambots often goes in the first forum in the list, so I'm hoping they'll in most cases end up there and not even bother members who've posted. |
| 08:34:56 | sharpe | qwm: Those books. :) |
| 08:34:59 | midkay | haha. |
| 08:35:02 | qwm | :) |
| 08:35:03 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: nice |
| 08:35:10 | qwm | finally remembering then, sharpe ;) |
| 08:35:22 | sharpe | Yep... |
| 08:35:27 | qwm | sharpe: before i'm done with you, you'll have read them all. |
| 08:36:02 | daurn|laptop | Paul_The_Nerd: but then the spambot makes 1 post, then spams the other forums |
| 08:36:06 | sharpe | Wow, you have me reembering what they vaguely are after a month or two, just imagine another month. |
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| 08:36:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: In most cases we only get one spam message per fake account. |
| 08:36:17 | Bagder | daurn|laptop: they still need to get banned on sight |
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| 08:36:50 | amiconn | Hmm. The X5 remote can't cope with my high-speed transfer at 124MHz :-( |
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| 08:37:09 | Bagder | :-/ |
| 08:37:16 | amiconn | The controller should handle it, so I think it's the cable that prevents it from working |
| 08:37:19 | sharpe | amiconn: What about 123.9MHz ? |
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| 08:37:58 | midkay | sharpe: what about shutting the hell up for *once*? please? gosh.. |
| 08:38:40 | amiconn | The fast transfer means ~3.5MHz across the wire |
| 08:38:44 | sharpe | midkay: There's a simple reason why I don't. To piss you off. |
| 08:38:44 | daurn|laptop | whats my quit msg? |
| 08:38:45 | amiconn | (at 124MHz) |
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| 08:39:14 | midkay | sharpe: why? it's not funny at all to anybody, nor useful.. it's absolutely 100% worthless and it's truly annoying. |
| 08:39:36 | JdGordon | yay! just gotta fix the h10 an ifp keymaps and all settings screens on all trgets should be good again... |
| 08:39:44 | amiconn | Same problem exists with the iriver remote. Slightly less than 4MHz would still be within specs even for its (slower) lcd controller, but it doesn't work either |
| 08:41:25 | amiconn | I an testing the maximum cpu clocks which allow the fast transfer, and settle at half of that. |
| 08:41:58 | * | amiconn has calculated the PLLCR values for all 11 possible clock frequencies |
| 08:42:28 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: around? |
| 08:42:42 | sharpe | midkay: I would assume so. |
| 08:42:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yes |
| 08:43:27 | midkay | sharpe: there's no possible way to NEARLY convey my entire aggravation and feelings about your worthlessness here... |
| 08:43:45 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: have you considered a patch discussion kind of forum? |
| 08:44:02 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i was just looking for the thread on the new menu design and when I couldn't find it right away I thought something like that might be nice.. |
| 08:44:27 | midkay | a foru, for WIP patches, designs, etc.. that the menu changes would be a good example of.. |
| 08:45:21 | scorche | and make it clear that "this is not a place to get a patch committed", as i am sure people would love to go on with their usual "i like this patch, can we get it committed?" |
| 08:46:00 | midkay | scorche: so "don't express your feelings about patches here"? |
| 08:46:11 | scorche | something like that |
| 08:46:28 | sharpe | midkay: So pretty much an extended flyspray comments section for the patch? |
| 08:46:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think Flyspray is suitable for discussion of patches as is. |
| 08:46:48 | midkay | sharpe: flyspray isn't for discussion.. |
| 08:46:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 08:47:03 | midkay | .. in my eyes. :) it's annoying.. i mean.. |
| 08:47:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 08:47:09 | midkay | you can't "browse" it like the forums.. |
| 08:47:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | True |
| 08:47:12 | Bagder | and people already discuss patches fine in the forum |
| 08:47:15 | midkay | not really. you can't see the latest updates, etc.. |
| 08:47:22 | midkay | Bagder: in miscellaneous forums, right. |
| 08:47:30 | midkay | i think it would be nice to converge all patch discussion into one place. |
| 08:47:32 | Bagder | yes, in the one related to what kind of patch it is |
| 08:47:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll create a Flyspray board. |
| 08:47:41 | midkay | so you can go to one place to read about potential changes, et cetera.. |
| 08:47:47 | Bagder | why? |
| 08:47:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe. |
| 08:47:56 | Bagder | why not go to the plugin one and read about plugins? |
| 08:47:59 | midkay | why not? maybe you want to see what people are working on? |
| 08:48:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's true, plugin-style patches would be best suited in the plugins board |
| 08:48:11 | Bagder | and the associated plugin patches people talk about |
| 08:48:18 | midkay | Bagder: because then you get a mix of "doom isn't working" and "how do i use metronome" and OCCASIONALLY a "i'm working on this". |
| 08:48:25 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:48:31 | Bagder | since those are all about plugins |
| 08:48:38 | midkay | so you can't simply go to once place to read about deviations from the plain jane builds. |
| 08:48:42 | JdGordon | dos anyone ant to doubl check my settings context rework before i commit it? |
| 08:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: And "Doom is not working" and "how do I use metronome" could both be the results of a bug in the plugin, rather than just user stupidity. |
| 08:49:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, it consolidates them in one place. |
| 08:49:19 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Shouldn't the 'Spam' board be invisible to me? |
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| 08:49:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i don't care about what they are. they clutter up the readability of development. |
| 08:49:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Development essential stuff should go on Flyspray anyway |
| 08:50:00 | midkay | .. because it's so easy to get around in Flyspray, right.... |
| 08:50:01 | Bagder | I strongly agree with that |
| 08:50:10 | Bagder | the forum is mainly a user-support thing |
| 08:50:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: With the exception of like, JdGordon's post about the button changes, which belongs in "Announcements" by the new standard. |
| 08:50:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: You're a developer. You get to see all boards. I can hide it from developers. I'll go ahead ' n do that before I reopen the forums. |
| 08:50:42 | midkay | Bagder: hm, i like the idea of being able to just discuss things... |
| 08:50:50 | Bagder | sure |
| 08:51:06 | Bagder | but devs can't be forced to use the forums while we think devs more or less must use flyspray |
| 08:51:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I will admit that the ability to see new posts on the forum is easier if you don't want to get emails from flyspray |
| 08:51:16 | Bagder | so if you truly want to reach the dev, you use flyspray |
| 08:51:29 | Bagder | if you want to discuss among users, go forum |
| 08:51:38 | * | JdGordon prefers forums to FS |
| 08:51:42 | JdGordon | for discussion... |
| 08:51:44 | midkay | Bagder: that's rather off-putting, since there are plenty of patches with no comments or anything at all.. |
| 08:51:54 | Bagder | I'm stating the reality |
| 08:51:59 | Bagder | you can like it or not |
| 08:52:03 | midkay | Bagder: and i'm stating the possibilities. :) |
| 08:52:06 | Bagder | the fourms are qute daunting |
| 08:52:14 | Bagder | we can expect devs to even try to keep up with them |
| 08:52:19 | Bagder | can not |
| 08:52:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | We could have a "Flyspray" forum in the development category, and require that topic titles be FS#XXXX and the title of the flyspray entry? |
| 08:52:19 | midkay | it's considered lucky to have a dev even look at your patch.. |
| 08:52:24 | midkay | Bagder: sure, devs use flyspray. |
| 08:52:31 | midkay | but for discussion or end user suggestions/review, why not Forums? |
| 08:52:45 | Bagder | now read what I said again |
| 08:52:58 | midkay | if you just want to say "hey i'm working on this game here's a screenshot what do you think" you can get lots of good replies from end users who don't get emails on flyspray, etc... |
| 08:52:58 | Bagder | I did not dismiss that |
| 08:53:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: But why can't someone just say that in the plugins category? |
| 08:53:30 | midkay | Bagder: you said "if you want to discuss among users, go forums" -> that's exactly what i'm suggesting. create a FORUM for discussion. |
| 08:53:47 | Bagder | I just don't see the need for a separate forum for it |
| 08:53:55 | Bagder | people talk patches a lot already |
| 08:54:11 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: they can. i just feel it might be nicer to have a dedicated patches forum for people who think "hm, what's going on in the general world of development and what are people working on" rather than saying "what new plugins are being written?" and have to go through pages of questions to reach one WIP plugin thread. |
| 08:54:35 | Bagder | midkay: but the differences between those are very fuzzy |
| 08:54:45 | midkay | Bagder: fuzzy? |
| 08:54:54 | Bagder | a "doom doesn't work" could very well lead to a bug report that leads to a patch that ... |
| 08:55:06 | Bagder | everything plugin-related |
| 08:55:09 | midkay | who cares about doom bugfix patches? |
| 08:55:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | How 'bout a "Work in Progress" forum in the "Development" section? |
| 08:55:16 | midkay | if you're starting a new plugin or new major change. |
| 08:55:19 | Bagder | midkay: you |
| 08:55:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: that sounds like what i'm getting at. |
| 08:55:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would cover both plugins, things like the WMA codec, any ongoing work that users want to discuss? |
| 08:55:33 | midkay | Bagder: no, that's exactly what i'm against. |
| 08:55:45 | midkay | i don't want a forum for "hey i fixed a tiny bug in doom". |
| 08:55:48 | Bagder | midkay: ok, so what tracker entries would be discussed? |
| 08:55:52 | Bagder | would you filter them? |
| 08:56:02 | Bagder | when is it deemed ok? |
| 08:56:03 | midkay | i want a forum for "i'm undertaking a massive project to revamp the UI" or "write a new plugin". |
| 08:56:08 | midkay | the new menu system is a prime example. |
| 08:56:24 | midkay | Bagder: how about if it's not a small trivial bugfix and it's worth actually discussing/improving? |
| 08:56:32 | JdGordon | yes, a WIP subforum with 1 thread per topic would be great.. |
| 08:56:32 | Bagder | I just don't see any proper distinction between when and when not |
| 08:56:38 | midkay | Bagder: no posts about "i just made a bugfix here's a link commit pls kthx".. |
| 08:56:50 | midkay | Bagder: that seems very specific to me. if it's worth *discussing* then you'd post. |
| 08:57:00 | Bagder | uh? |
| 08:57:07 | Bagder | people want to discuss even tiny doom fixes |
| 08:57:21 | midkay | Bagder: how so? |
| 08:57:22 | Bagder | and besides |
| 08:57:24 | midkay | what is there to discuss? |
| 08:57:31 | Bagder | for some people, a tiny doom fix is a major undertaking |
| 08:57:45 | midkay | Bagder: "tiny" cancels out "major". |
| 08:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | One possibility is this: |
| 08:57:54 | Bagder | tiny for you, major for others |
| 08:58:20 | daurn|laptop | a doom fix is an undertaking |
| 08:58:20 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 08:58:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm. Nevermind |
| 08:58:36 | Bagder | I'm just saying that without a proper and clear distinction and separation, people will post all over anyway and we'd gain nothing with separating forums |
| 08:58:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like the idea of being able to request user feedback |
| 08:58:49 | Bagder | just lose since we'll have users scattered |
| 08:58:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I think "Announcements" covers most of that. |
| 08:59:10 | amiconn | I must say that I usually don't look at the forums at all these days. It's simply too much to read |
| 08:59:27 | midkay | is Bagder just against it or am I not clear or crazy or what? if it's something *big* - new PLUGIN, new MENU, new FEATURE, new MODIFICATION - that is up for discussion like "how does this look?" or "what do you think if the menus did this instead of this?" - it warrants a post. if it's a BUGFIX that's a commit-and-go deal (or comments like "what's the best way to increase the doom_x variable over time, or is this the cleanest way to fix this), |
| 08:59:27 | midkay | NO post. |
| 08:59:30 | amiconn | I only check a thread in case someone is pointing me to it |
| 08:59:35 | midkay | Bagder: ^^ is that not 100% clear? |
| 08:59:40 | JdGordon | announcments shold be just for RB notices and all topics closed no? |
| 08:59:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: How do you enforce that easily? |
| 08:59:51 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: "doom bugfix" gets deleted. |
| 08:59:53 | Bagder | midkay: no |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:00 | Bagder | I find it clear as mud |
| 09:00:06 | midkay | if the user has something worthwhile and requests discussion, then it's worthwhile.. |
| 09:00:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: "Major" is very subjective. "Worthwhile" is too. |
| 09:00:19 | Bagder | since then half of all the posts wouldn't fit there and would need to be in the plugin section |
| 09:00:19 | midkay | Bagder: alright, so i guess we remain flyspray-forumless. |
| 09:00:23 | midkay | alright alright. |
| 09:00:37 | Bagder | so there would be plugin discussions about patches in several forums anyway |
| 09:00:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that "Announcements" covers the need to receive user feedback on major things. |
| 09:00:51 | midkay | announcements? aren't those "official" announcements? |
| 09:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not just official |
| 09:01:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, I could've moved A_M's post there. |
| 09:01:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone can reply to them, but only Developer+ can start a topic there |
| 09:01:24 | midkay | how do users get the ability to post announcements? "Announcement: I just got my iPod!" -> "Now what are some good hacks to install?" |
| 09:01:34 | midkay | so users can't post announcements... hm.. |
| 09:01:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Any one of us will be able to move posts there. |
| 09:01:59 | midkay | seems rather limiting on the user, but never mind.. |
| 09:02:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you either filter out too many, or too few. |
| 09:02:30 | Bagder | I don't see that being any particularly useful idea either |
| 09:02:42 | midkay | forget i said anything.. whatever happens will happen. |
| 09:02:46 | Bagder | since the announce-threads will be ordinary threads in two hours |
| 09:02:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Be right back. While y'all discuss, I'm shutting down the forums now. |
| 09:02:58 | Bagder | and then they'll be identical to the ones in the plugin forum |
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| 09:03:22 | sharpe | Ah. I didn't even realize it was close to closing the forums time... |
| 09:03:35 | * | Bagder runs off to do real work |
| 09:04:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: what's with the To Be Deleted forum? |
| 09:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | That was the "One hour" announcement an hour ago |
| 09:04:22 | midkay | huh? |
| 09:04:29 | sharpe | Oh, right the two am time... |
| 09:04:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Most of you don't have the power to delete posts. That's where you can "move" them if you feel that they're horribly outdated and can be removed. Like "OMG THE WIKI IS GONE" |
| 09:05:08 | midkay | alright, because the first one i see in here makes me want to gouge out someone's eyes.. "Rockword for ipod" whose content is "@". |
| 09:05:23 | sharpe | midkay: I moved that one there. |
| 09:05:38 | midkay | sharpe: that's really not interesting. |
| 09:05:58 | sharpe | midkay: I really don't care. |
| 09:06:16 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: time for moving first 3 pages yet? |
| 09:06:19 | midkay | sharpe: so why did you say anything? idiot.. |
| 09:06:40 | sharpe | midkay: Out of spite. |
| 09:06:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: It is time, yes. |
| 09:07:29 | scorche | alright...i will take the archos ports =) |
| 09:07:29 | midkay | sharpe: stop directing messages at me.. |
| 09:07:44 | sharpe | I'll do some of the iPod posts... |
| 09:08:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll tackle general discussion then. |
| 09:08:31 | midkay | i'll go for the x5 boards, then.. |
| 09:08:34 | JdGordon | which forum is not being tackled? ill get to work |
| 09:08:51 | midkay | whichever we didn't just list? |
| 09:09:18 | sharpe | midkay: That is completely redundant. |
| 09:09:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: H300? |
| 09:09:52 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: no redirection topics, i guess? |
| 09:09:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 09:10:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't want to have to go through and delete 4000 redirection topics later. |
| 09:10:34 | JdGordon | done |
| 09:10:49 | JdGordon | ill do ifp also :p |
| 09:10:56 | sharpe | This is kind of funny for a title... "iPod Nano, Video: Jon_'s "JonBuild" Build" |
| 09:12:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 09:12:46 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: so what about model-specific questions? this one is about USB charging on the X5 and whether it's supported at all or even by rockbox.. |
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| 09:13:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hardware. |
| 09:13:15 | sharpe | would it be safe to say, senab's build, has no name? |
| 09:13:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it's just "Senab's Build" |
| 09:14:07 | JdGordon | yay.. green cvs table. can get back to forum moving stuff |
| 09:14:21 | sharpe | Just making sure, since the only other thing it's called in his post is 'iPod Experimental' and that was discussed about calling everything experimental before... |
| 09:14:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it could be "Senab's Experimental Build" but I think he dropped the experimental |
| 09:16:28 | scorche | <scorche``> Quote from: 1adam12 on February 24, 2006, 09:52:45 AM |
| 09:16:28 | scorche | <scorche``> Thank You for your pleasant response.......This must be the communist forum...................... |
| 09:16:28 | scorche | <scorche``> Yes it is. Most communists rename their MP3 tracks with the track number in front. In fact, Lenin often spoke about it in his glory days. |
| 09:16:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm putting stuff like discussion of an external TagCache updating program in "General Rockbox Discussion" as it seems to me external software doesn't belong in anything else |
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| 09:19:39 | midkay | i think we need to start going through and adjusting the titles of some of the posts in Hardware to clarify the model.. |
| 09:20:06 | midkay | since they were originally posted in X5/H100/whatever forums the title didn't need to be clear, but now it's a jumble of different models asking inspecific questions. |
| 09:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you feel like editing topics, it's possible to do while moving them rather easily. |
| 09:21:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think just adding in the model name, like X5: Original Topic should cover most of it. |
| 09:21:37 | midkay | yes, exactly. |
| 09:22:04 | JdGordon | is anyone watching the new subforums as they get populated? |
| 09:22:14 | midkay | watching? |
| 09:24:36 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Would you say discussing an idea for a plugin is good enough for the Plugin forum? |
| 09:24:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 09:24:46 | midkay | .. why not? where else? |
| 09:24:56 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: did you just rename User interface to add "and Voice"? |
| 09:25:04 | * | Paul_The_Nerd renames "Getting Started" to "Getting Started and Compiling" |
| 09:25:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 09:25:18 | midkay | can i ask why? |
| 09:25:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is technically the Voice UI. |
| 09:25:28 | scorche | Yeah...i had moved many voice topics there before |
| 09:25:31 | midkay | user interface kind of .. encompasses voice UI.. |
| 09:25:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but that's not so clear to Joe Average |
| 09:25:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | They might consider it "Audio Playback" for example. |
| 09:26:04 | midkay | hm. alright. :) |
| 09:27:22 | * | Bagder is flashing LEDs like a mad man |
| 09:27:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | LEDs? |
| 09:27:53 | * | petur shuts his eyes |
| 09:27:56 | JdGordon | q's like does rb have mp4... general discussion or playback? |
| 09:27:59 | Bagder | yah, work stuff |
| 09:28:12 | midkay | JdGordon: is that the trash post i moved to "to be deleted"? |
| 09:28:26 | JdGordon | are u in h300 also? |
| 09:28:30 | scorche | playback imo...if anything |
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| 09:28:45 | midkay | JdGordon: no, nm.. |
| 09:28:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Does Rockbox support <format>?" goes in general discussion. |
| 09:29:05 | JdGordon | k |
| 09:29:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't really consider that a question about playback, but rather a question about Rockbox itself. |
| 09:29:18 | scorche | ah...true |
| 09:29:36 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: why not audio playback? |
| 09:29:40 | JdGordon | thats what i thought.. jst checking |
| 09:29:43 | midkay | it pertains to what formats of *audio* you can play.. |
| 09:29:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm. |
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| 09:30:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think in my head there's a difference between "Can Rockbox do X" and "How do I do X in Rockbox?" one being answered with "You should read the manual" and the second being a valid question. |
| 09:30:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | But... I dunno |
| 09:30:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I guess it is also a question about playback. |
| 09:30:40 | amiconn | Hmm. The X5 remote transfer is showing the same frequency limit as the iriver one. Working at 112MHz, not working at 124MHz |
| 09:31:00 | amiconn | (the high-speed routine) |
| 09:31:11 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: i guess you would have done this already if it was... but.. is it possible to turn of auomatically checking the "post a redirctor" checkmark? |
| 09:31:27 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i think rockbox general covers a lot, but i also think "does rockbox support this" is a tad more audio-related than general.. |
| 09:31:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I'd have to tweak the PHP code, I think. I'd rather not do that for a minor thing. |
| 09:31:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Actually, I think midkay's right. Go with "Playback" |
| 09:31:40 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:31:46 | amiconn | Have to use non-highspeed when boosted then |
| 09:31:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I think you're right actually |
| 09:31:52 | * | scorche coughs |
| 09:31:55 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: gotcha.. |
| 09:31:57 | JdGordon | ... too late.. it will be about 3 pages deep b the im we r done |
| 09:32:02 | amiconn | (roughly half the speed of highspeed, but still faster than cvs) |
| 09:32:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well. |
| 09:32:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | A few miscategorized old posts is not a big problem |
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| 09:33:07 | Bagder | JdGordon: a single space after comma please (in C code) |
| 09:33:32 | amiconn | The X5 has the remote hooked so that DATA and CLK is on the same GPIO port, which is both good and bad |
| 09:33:58 | JdGordon | Bagder: ok |
| 09:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | "General Discussion" (the old one) is officially done for the time being. |
| 09:35:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3 pages of posts moved. |
| 09:35:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm moving on to Archos Jukebox Players |
| 09:35:23 | scorche | i am almost doen with that |
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| 09:35:31 | scorche | move to ondios =) |
| 09:35:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, Ondios |
| 09:36:00 | JdGordon | I have no idea how many i hav moved.. can we have a cut off date to stop with the subforum? |
| 09:36:14 | JdGordon | I'm up to july 27 in h300 |
| 09:36:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I was just looking at the last post on the third page before I started. |
| 09:36:47 | scorche | JdGordon: if your browser supports tabs, it is handy to have the three pages in separate tabs, and then make separate tabs for each topic |
| 09:37:17 | midkay | someone else can do the rest of X5. :) |
| 09:37:27 | midkay | *officially gives up* |
| 09:37:27 | midkay | brb. |
| 09:37:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: For H300, July 27 will work. That's when the oldest one to be moves is in H100 |
| 09:37:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: How far did you have left? |
| 09:37:45 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i moved like.. 20 maybe.. i don't know. :) |
| 09:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's hard for someone to take over for you... |
| 09:37:58 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: why? |
| 09:38:10 | midkay | ah.. |
| 09:38:16 | JdGordon | I think ive mooved about 35 threads from h300.. and im cold so brb |
| 09:38:28 | midkay | i probably did around one page. |
| 09:39:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It's 20 per page, unless you've changed the default |
| 09:39:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Our goal is 60 per forum, I suppose. |
| 09:39:48 | JdGordon | :'( 3 pages doe sound excessi tho... having a cut off date is nicer |
| 09:40:20 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Hmm. What about a post about a new build, that I've already moved to the unsupported builds forum? maybe merge the two? |
| 09:40:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Merging is good. |
| 09:41:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | A cutoff date makes a little more sense, I suppose. |
| 09:41:29 | Cho03 | Hi guys. I'm trying to restore my apple firmware on my ipod. but to do that, i need to format the ipod. |
| 09:41:32 | Cho03 | right clicking the disk in my computer wont work, and using the command prompt doesnt either. |
| 09:41:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, for now, nothing newer than July 01 '06 in any "Old" forums |
| 09:41:36 | scorche | we will be moving those pages anyway |
| 09:42:06 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: ok |
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| 09:46:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, now that we have a date, it doesn't matter *too* much |
| 09:46:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where people are, that is. |
| 09:47:09 | sharpe | hmm. should audio skipping while scrolling, go in audio, or user interface...? |
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| 09:47:22 | scorche | well, when you are in the process of moving a topic, and another is as well, we can better make use of the efort somewhere else |
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| 09:47:46 | scorche | sharpe: playback |
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| 09:47:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Definitely playback |
| 09:48:12 | sharpe | sounds good to me. |
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| 09:52:42 | JdGordon | where are we putting feature requests again? geenrl discussion? |
| 09:52:57 | JdGordon | (this keyboard is terrible.. hence my horrible spelling today) |
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| 09:53:35 | sharpe | well. i believe i'm going to be going. |
| 09:54:01 | JdGordon | sure... bail on us.... |
| 09:54:02 | Bg3r | JdGordon: haha |
| 09:54:19 | Bg3r | horrible than usual ? :D |
| 09:54:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Feature requests are categorized depending on what they are. |
| 09:54:23 | Bg3r | more ... |
| 09:54:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: If it's a request for a plugin, "Plugins", etc. |
| 09:54:29 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/useful/ |
| 09:54:30 | sharpe | JdGordon: :) I did move posts before the forums were locked... a lot, actually... |
| 09:54:35 | Bagder | the midi patch set |
| 09:54:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Thankee |
| 09:54:49 | NJoin | scorche [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-50.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 09:54:56 | linuxstb | Bagder: So everything else on download.rockbox.org is useless? |
| 09:54:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: battery life concerns? |
| 09:55:06 | Bagder | linuxstb: yeps, just rubbish |
| 09:55:07 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: curious, do you already have the stickys prepared? |
| 09:55:22 | sharpe | well, i'm off. goodnight everyone. |
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| 09:55:27 | JdGordon | its called arcasm sharpe :p |
| 09:56:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: "hardware" |
| 09:56:29 | daurn|laptop | midkay: do you have medios? |
| 09:56:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Stickies prepared? |
| 09:56:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Oh, no. |
| 09:56:51 | midkay | daurn|laptop: do i "have" it? like it's hard to get, or like i even have something to run it on? |
| 09:56:55 | scorche | ick... |
| 09:57:03 | daurn|laptop | like you have something to run it on |
| 09:57:12 | daurn|laptop | - and use it (at least once a onth) |
| 09:57:12 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 09:57:21 | midkay | neither. |
| 09:57:33 | NJoin | Cho03 [0] (i=Cho03@SJIP-T-001-pool-214.tmns.net.au) |
| 09:57:34 | daurn|laptop | so.... why the archopen idling |
| 09:58:01 | midkay | do you have rockbox? |
| 09:58:06 | daurn|laptop | no |
| 09:58:12 | midkay | so why the rockbox idling? |
| 09:58:16 | daurn|laptop | cause i'm in the progress of porting it |
| 09:58:21 | midkay | because i can, is my answer. and because i used to be a member of the team.. |
| 09:58:40 | daurn|laptop | don't get so touchy :S |
| 09:58:42 | midkay | before it was called medios or archopen and before you came along.. |
| 09:58:48 | daurn|laptop | linav? |
| 09:58:59 | midkay | i don't even see why you'd ask.. what's it matter where I idle? *shrugs* |
| 09:59:02 | midkay | yes. |
| 09:59:25 | JdGordon | yay! h300 is done.. latest post is june 30 |
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| 10:03:06 | Cho03 | hey guys, can i get some help reformatting my ipod? |
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| 10:03:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cho03: You never explained your problem. "It doesn't work when I do X" doesn't tell us what it's doing, at all. |
| 10:03:54 | linuxstb | What's the button called on the H300 that brings up the menu? The button define is called BUTTON_MODE, but on my H140 it's labeled A-B... |
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| 10:04:30 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: a post about the alarm on X5? |
| 10:04:44 | JdGordon | linuxstb |
| 10:04:55 | JdGordon | its mode in the cod but labeld a-b on both |
| 10:05:11 | JdGordon | code* |
| 10:05:18 | midkay | mode in the code? |
| 10:05:22 | midkay | code in the cod? what? |
| 10:05:22 | midkay | :) |
| 10:05:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Isn't the alarm a feature of the RTC? If so, I'd say hardware. |
| 10:05:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's alarm in the sense of waking up the unit from powerdown, like I hear some players can. |
| 10:05:43 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: it is, but it's just a matter of porting the Rockbox alarm functionality.. |
| 10:06:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's still hardware since it relates to a particular chip. |
| 10:06:37 | midkay | alright. |
| 10:06:54 | Cho03 | paul: im sorry. i was resetting the ipod to refresh the tag cache in rockbox. i did that a couple times. it then showed the apple symbol, and instead of booting, it showed a sreen "use itunes to restore" |
| 10:07:34 | Cho03 | nothing on the computer recognizes the ipod |
| 10:07:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it show up as a disk? |
| 10:07:53 | Cho03 | yes |
| 10:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | What happens when you double click on it? |
| 10:08:05 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5938.0 ?? |
| 10:08:25 | Cho03 | it asks me to insert the disk |
| 10:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: General for now. Anything that could be interpreted as questions about the website, which that one MIGHT be, go in General |
| 10:09:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cho03: But it only shows up in My Computer when it's plugged in? |
| 10:09:25 | Cho03 | yes, you cannot access the drive |
| 10:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't ask about "accessing the drive" |
| 10:10:08 | Cho03 | i meant yes it shows up in my computer. |
| 10:10:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes when it's plugged in, or yes to always? |
| 10:10:46 | Cho03 | yes when it is plugged in |
| 10:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if you right click on it, there's no format option? |
| 10:11:14 | LinusN | Cho03: how about using the Disk Management section in the Computer Management app in the control panel?? |
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| 10:11:41 | NJoin | qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) |
| 10:11:49 | Cho03 | paul: there is no format option |
| 10:12:03 | Cho03 | linusn: ill take a look |
| 10:12:13 | JdGordon | ok, i gotta go fo a while.. ttyl |
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| 10:12:56 | linuxstb | Cho03: How did you reboot your ipod when trying to setup tagcache? Did you shutdown cleanly (long press on PLAY), or did you reset (holding MENU+SELECT). |
| 10:13:19 | Cho03 | omg. i did MENU+SELECT |
| 10:13:52 | * | Paul_The_Nerd notes that yet another person apparently didn't read the manual. |
| 10:14:01 | Cho03 | lol |
| 10:14:07 | Cho03 | i have read parts of the manual |
| 10:14:17 | Cho03 | proabably not that one though |
| 10:14:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | "The Controls"? |
| 10:14:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or whatever the basic control section may be called. |
| 10:14:38 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i'm giving up on the X5 forums at July 24, at least for a bit - i want to do some topic title clarification on some of the boards.. since we've lumped everything together for Hardware things need a lot of clarification. |
| 10:14:48 | Cho03 | yeah i have read that one |
| 10:14:48 | linuxstb | Maybe we should do the same as the Archos devices - detect when a user is holding MENU+SELECT and initiate a shutdown. |
| 10:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: That's fine. |
| 10:15:10 | midkay | k, thx. |
| 10:15:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'm not *too* concerned about old topics, since really even with the one month cutoff a lot of these won't ever get read again, but clarification is nice. |
| 10:15:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd will be enforcing it on new posts though. |
| 10:15:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i mean for ones that are already moved.. |
| 10:15:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, but I consider those "old" just in the sense of, prior to today. |
| 10:16:01 | midkay | ah, alright. |
| 10:16:06 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: speaking of enforcing it, do you want to start on the stickies, while i finish moving? |
| 10:16:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yeah, I'll start on the stickies, and if there's still moving to be done, come back for it |
| 10:16:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has actually erased TWO old boards. |
| 10:16:45 | Cho03 | hmm, disk management doesnt detect the ipod |
| 10:16:47 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: can you tell where a topic was moved from? |
| 10:16:52 | firenx | is there a good help file or anything out there on setting up rockbox and idoom / other .wad games? |
| 10:17:11 | midkay | this one has no indication in the title or posts where it came from or what model it's for. the only hint i have is that it pertains to FM radio, so it's like h100/h300/X5/fmr.. |
| 10:17:21 | scorche | midkay: link? |
| 10:17:48 | midkay | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5852.0 |
| 10:18:23 | scorche | "I use iriver H1xx." |
| 10:18:38 | midkay | of course. |
| 10:18:42 | midkay | i was just testing you.. |
| 10:18:49 | midkay | well done. |
| 10:19:15 | midkay | gah: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5718.0 |
| 10:19:25 | midkay | (1) the colors in the first post. haha. (2) bigmac's reply. |
| 10:20:05 | linuxstb | Just modify it and remove the colours... |
| 10:20:20 | scorche | i have seen some much more creative use of both fonts AND colors |
| 10:20:23 | midkay | i don't mind them, just laughing.. |
| 10:20:30 | scorche | forgot where i moved that one though |
| 10:20:34 | midkay | scorche: sure, but i thought it was rather pathetic in its own way. |
| 10:20:45 | scorche | well, as with anything Bigmac posted... |
| 10:20:57 | midkay | "Im new to this" - what a nice topic title.. |
| 10:21:44 | crwl | um, are forums now (mostly) unreadable for users not logged in? |
| 10:22:02 | preglow | linuxstb: any luck on your two core shenanigans? |
| 10:22:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | crwl: They're mostly unreadable for logged in users as well. |
| 10:22:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | crwl: If you actually read the most recent Announcement, you'd know why. |
| 10:22:19 | crwl | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, great, no problem then ;) |
| 10:23:12 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I haven't looked at that yet.. I'm hoping dan_a will be able to clean up and commit some of his code first. |
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| 10:25:38 | dan_a | linuxstb, preglow: I should have some time tonight to do some work on it (for the first time in a couple of weeks) |
| 10:27:41 | linuxstb | dan_a: That's good... Can the thread running on the COP use the normal kernel functions like sleep() and yield()? Does your code support multiple threads on the COP? |
| 10:28:53 | dan_a | linuxstb: Yes to both. |
| 10:29:57 | mirak2 | hi |
| 10:30:25 | preglow | depends how many of them are threadsafe, though |
| 10:30:35 | dan_a | There is a complete kernel running on the second core, and switch_thread() runs on each core. |
| 10:30:57 | dan_a | preglow: what threads might not be threadsafe? |
| 10:37:05 | dan_a | There may be special requirements to run threads that communicate between the cores (because of cache concurrency) but once I've got the work I've done so far committed, I'll have a think about ways to work around that. |
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| 10:39:02 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: can you also say that audio playback is the place for playlist related items? |
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| 10:41:08 | webguest28 | Hi, what happened to lostlogic? He used to be one of the most active developers. |
| 10:41:36 | LinusN | he was a rogue agent, so we shut him down |
| 10:41:47 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:42:00 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: also, with archos installation, it applies for flashing of the device as well |
| 10:42:07 | LinusN | i guess Real Life(tm) caught up with him |
| 10:42:14 | webguest28 | LinusN: and seriously? Is he doing well? |
| 10:43:09 | webguest28 | LinusN: I think we should write an abstraction layer so that the real life can't do anything :-) |
| 10:43:10 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: also, about how the formats are in specific forums |
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| 10:45:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Formats? |
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| 10:46:28 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: as in <name of target>: <name of person>'s "<name of build>" |
| 10:47:06 | scorche | or <target>: <hardware problem/rest of topic> |
| 10:47:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ok |
| 10:47:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | My brain's a wee bit frazzled. I'll go do that. |
| 10:47:29 | bluebrother | Paul_The_Nerd: is it indented when not logged in that I can only see the "Announcements" in the forums? |
| 10:47:44 | scorche | bluebrother: yes |
| 10:47:56 | bluebrother | oh. Why that? |
| 10:48:00 | scorche | bluebrother: moving of the forums to the new format |
| 10:48:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | bluebrother: Read the top announcement. :-P |
| 10:48:30 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Missed exactly _that_ announcement. Sorry. |
| 10:49:42 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: does tagcache belong in ui? |
| 10:49:49 | scorche | s/doesnt/does |
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| 10:50:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: TagCache seems iffy to me. |
| 10:50:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it goes in Playback, since many "playback" bugs will actually be metadata |
| 10:50:47 | scorche | well, it IS a "view mode" |
| 10:50:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | And TagCache is essentially now very tied to metadata handling. |
| 10:51:07 | scorche | and, i have been putting tagcache questions in ui so far... |
| 10:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mmm.. |
| 10:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay. |
| 10:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | UI iti s. |
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| 10:51:25 | LinusN | we should really consider calling it something else that "tag cache" |
| 10:51:32 | Bagder | amen |
| 10:52:01 | Bagder | it isn't a cache |
| 10:52:15 | LinusN | i fail to see what makes it a cache in the first place |
| 10:53:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | We should just call it "Song Database" |
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| 10:53:41 | LinusN | ro simply "Database", since it could very well be audiobooks etc |
| 10:53:51 | LinusN | and not songs |
| 10:54:03 | Bagder | right, but 'database' is a bit too generic |
| 10:54:08 | Bagder | in case we add more databases |
| 10:54:16 | LinusN | "Tag database"? |
| 10:54:23 | Bagder | like dircache being a database too... |
| 10:54:33 | LinusN | hehe |
| 10:54:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | We should decide a few more things about what it's going to do before we rename it. |
| 10:55:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since it could be used rather handily for managing podcasts on a player, and other such duties. |
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| 10:57:17 | LinusN | "Metadata database" is probably good, but it sounds a little too technical |
| 10:57:32 | scorche | but, fun to say =) |
| 10:57:48 | Bagder | metabase! |
| 10:57:50 | * | Bagder runs |
| 10:58:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that assumes it'll only ever handle metadata. It currently handles untagged songs, as well as now tracking unplayed songs and such, right? |
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| 11:04:30 | Bagder | "track database" then |
| 11:05:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm actually okay with Metadata database. It's just, with the organization features it offers, it feels like more than that. |
| 11:05:52 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 11:06:17 | scorche | it is a tounge twister too |
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| 11:10:27 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5370.0 <~~~hardware? |
| 11:10:51 | tucoz | I think track database sounds good |
| 11:11:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Hardware |
| 11:11:38 | tucoz | didn't anyone suggest rockbase, datarock or something like that? In that case, marvelous ;( |
| 11:11:42 | tucoz | ;) I mean |
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| 11:12:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was tempted to suggest Metabox. |
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| 11:15:13 | Comete | hi all |
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| 11:16:33 | tucoz | hello |
| 11:16:47 | Comete | i wonder if the iriver IFP support was still active ? |
| 11:17:25 | Comete | i'm fed up with my IFP 799 original firmware |
| 11:17:36 | markun | Comete: someone's working on it |
| 11:18:11 | preglow | it's being worked slowly on |
| 11:18:19 | Comete | this player could be very good with Rockbox |
| 11:18:21 | preglow | he could definitely use more help |
| 11:18:29 | preglow | it's not the easiest port either |
| 11:18:46 | Comete | preglow: what kind of help does he need ? |
| 11:19:00 | Comete | i'm not developper but if i can help |
| 11:19:18 | preglow | Comete: developer help being what he needs, yes, hehe |
| 11:19:28 | preglow | but yes, i'm strongly in favour of renaming tagcache |
| 11:19:35 | preglow | what does other firmwares call it? |
| 11:20:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Database View"? |
| 11:21:01 | scorche | "The Only View We Have"? |
| 11:22:12 | Comete | preglow: he could write a little article on a popular opensource webzine to talk about this port and ask some help ? |
| 11:25:51 | tucoz | Comete, you can read this mail for info. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-08/0079.shtml |
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| 11:28:13 | tucoz | the iriver fw calls the feature that enables the db 'db-scan' |
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| 11:32:35 | Comete | tucoz: ok thanks |
| 11:35:47 | scorche | wow....this guy makes two posts in this thread with "lol" being the only text in them... |
| 11:37:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which guy is this? |
| 11:38:17 | scorche | apparently, someone moved it before i did... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5951.0 |
| 11:39:07 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, what's the supposed sort order of the cvs build table? It's neither alphabetical, nor by cpu arch, nor in rockbox support order... |
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| 11:39:19 | Bagder | it is alpha |
| 11:39:25 | Bagder | but I hide parts of the name ;-) |
| 11:39:42 | Bagder | so the archos ones come first but I don't display "archos" |
| 11:40:01 | Bagder | for space reasons |
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| 11:45:37 | midkay | the archoses are listed alphabetically, the iaudio is simply.. the iaudio.. the ipods are by generation (oldest->newest) and the irivers are alphabetically as well. :) |
| 11:46:04 | Bagder | they're all alpha |
| 11:46:46 | | Part Comete |
| 11:47:12 | Bagder | its just that their names aren't always very good |
| 11:47:56 | midkay | alpha? |
| 11:48:33 | Bagder | alphabetically |
| 11:48:45 | midkay | ah, i see... |
| 11:48:55 | scorche | midkay: the mini 1g came out before the photo as well |
| 11:49:08 | midkay | i thought you meant the sorting system was in alpha stages.. which wouldn't make much sense. :) |
| 11:49:13 | midkay | scorche: whatever.. |
| 11:50:14 | amiconn | Bagder: Alphabetically with the manuf. in front woul dplace Apple before Archos... |
| 11:51:27 | amiconn | ...but I understand how the sorting works now |
| 11:51:50 | Bagder | I don't care much for which order it ends up with |
| 11:52:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | The forums are DOWN and I still get random PMs asking me things. |
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| 11:56:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Could I ask a favor? |
| 11:56:14 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: two more pages of "iPod Video / 5th Generation", and we should be done |
| 11:56:15 | scorche | sure |
| 11:56:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was gonna say, focus on 5G |
| 11:56:53 | scorche | well, all others have been till either 3 pages back or july 1st |
| 11:56:58 | scorche | so, that is the last one |
| 11:56:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 11:57:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm going to reopen the forums now, because I have to go for a little while. It's 5AM and I need to be somewhere soon. |
| 11:57:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you don't finish 5G, I don't think the world will end, but it'd be nice if you could manage. And thanks for the help. |
| 11:57:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll move more posts arbitrarily once I get back. |
| 11:57:53 | scorche | alright...i will likely get those 2 pages done and end it there (i am burnt out for the night) |
| 11:58:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thanks again for all the help |
| 11:59:00 | preglow | gagag |
| 11:59:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gagag? |
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| 11:59:52 | preglow | 1. misspelled, 2. wrong window |
| 11:59:57 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:59:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 12:01:09 | Bg3r | markun: here ? |
| 12:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, the forums are officially reopened, if not completely done. |
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| 12:17:19 | qwm | :) |
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| 12:18:53 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to make vim convert tabs to 4 spaces? |
| 12:19:02 | Bg3r | yep |
| 12:19:17 | Bg3r | set expandtab |
| 12:19:17 | Bg3r | set tabstop=4 |
| 12:19:17 | Bg3r | set encoding=latin1 |
| 12:19:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bg3r |
| 12:19:17 | Bg3r | set fileencoding=latin1 |
| 12:19:21 | Bg3r | this is my .vimrc |
| 12:19:34 | JdGordon | latin1 is utf8? |
| 12:19:46 | Bg3r | iso-8859-1 |
| 12:20:25 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 12:21:02 | markun | I wouldn't mind using UTF-8 in the source code too |
| 12:23:19 | Bg3r | JdGordon: |
| 12:23:24 | Bg3r | use retab |
| 12:23:25 | Bg3r | :retab |
| 12:23:40 | Bg3r | to change the existing tabs to <"tabstop" value> spaces |
| 12:23:55 | Bg3r | (i just saw it in the vim's help :P) |
| 12:23:57 | JdGordon | ta |
| 12:24:05 | JdGordon | which is the command so it uses lighter colours? |
| 12:24:17 | JdGordon | i know there is one but i cant rmemeberr what it is :'( |
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| 12:24:43 | Bg3r | colorscheme ... |
| 12:24:43 | Bg3r | ? |
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| 12:25:20 | JdGordon | background=dark :) |
| 12:25:28 | klos | hi, does rockbox support .cue files in Mixes ? |
| 12:25:44 | JdGordon | no |
| 12:26:02 | klos | hm is it planned to be supported in future |
| 12:26:35 | klos | i think this is an essential in mp3, but no mp3 player or firmware builder does support it yet |
| 12:26:36 | klos | :( |
| 12:26:38 | scorche | klos: there has been discussion about it, but no verdict has been reached yet |
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| 12:27:03 | klos | ok thx |
| 12:27:03 | scorche | klos: once i find and move the thread, i will link you |
| 12:27:11 | klos | :P |
| 12:27:21 | midkay | scorche: no verdict?.. |
| 12:27:26 | midkay | you mean nobody's coded it. |
| 12:27:32 | linuxstb_ | klos: Why is cue support "essential" ? Rockbox can play back mp3 files gaplessly, so you can just encode your mix to separate files. |
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| 12:28:03 | * | JdGordon reckons que is "more important" than mpegplayer... seen as rockbox is a audio player first.... |
| 12:28:04 | klos | yea but i do encode my mix cd with eac which does creat one mp3 file and a cue file |
| 12:28:12 | * | JdGordon also knows why que isnt done so shuts up |
| 12:28:13 | scorche | midkay: that too...but, well, see linuxstb_'s response |
| 12:28:20 | preglow | klos: tell it not to, then |
| 12:28:28 | klos | also its the better soltuion to record it to cd again because you can easily burn an image and wont have any gaps etc |
| 12:28:39 | preglow | if it's done properly, you won't have any gaps anyway |
| 12:28:59 | nudelyn | if you want to write back to audio cd you're better off with a lossless format |
| 12:29:04 | midkay | scorche: so linuxstb happens to say that we can sort of work around it and you use that as a reason for your message?.. why would we discuss it and say "we don't know if we want it or not"? if somebody codes it, so be it.. |
| 12:29:05 | linuxstb_ | You'll have bigger problems than gaps if you like to go from CD -> MP3 -> CD |
| 12:29:09 | klos | imho i think thats the better soltuin |
| 12:29:18 | preglow | yes, but still |
| 12:29:22 | preglow | there will be problems with cue support |
| 12:29:25 | preglow | like exact mp3 seeking |
| 12:29:35 | scorche | klos: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2817.0 |
| 12:29:36 | preglow | it's not trivial |
| 12:29:40 | preglow | so it hasn't happened yet |
| 12:29:43 | klos | ok preglow |
| 12:29:45 | klos | thx |
| 12:30:02 | nudelyn | not trivial and has zero advantages, except for fewer files, over 1 file per track |
| 12:30:11 | scorche | midkay: stop picking every little thing...i am not in the mood for it |
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| 12:30:49 | linuxstb_ | midkay: I would say cue files are generally used to workaround the fact that very few players do gapless - not that gapless is a workaround for not supporting cues. |
| 12:30:51 | midkay | scorche: alright. |
| 12:31:26 | nudelyn | heh, even fewer players support .cue files than gapless :) |
| 12:31:57 | klos | yea because it snot that popular |
| 12:31:58 | midkay | linuxstb_: i wouldn't say "cue support is a workaround for gapless" or vice-versa, they're both different. having both would be optimal. we were talking about cue support though, and you happen to mention that gapless works similarly, i was just pointing out that you said that after scorche's messages.. |
| 12:32:11 | linuxstb_ | nudelyn: I also mean that people encode to a single long file to get around gappy players. |
| 12:32:23 | nudelyn | agreed |
| 12:32:44 | linuxstb_ | midkay: You said "so linuxstb happens to say that we can sort of work around it" - I'm just saying that I don't think of what I said as a workaround, but the better solution. |
| 12:33:01 | klos | the facts is that old mp3 sites suggest to rip using eac and also suggest to encode live mixes and mix cd using the cue file |
| 12:33:14 | midkay | linuxstb_: i don't really care for either, i'd say gapless is a workaround for cue support *when the user wants cue support specifically*. |
| 12:33:23 | klos | due to these gaps. at all i aggee to it because it doent make any sense on a mix cd to have a single file |
| 12:33:24 | midkay | just like cue support would be a workaround for gapless if that's what the user wanted. |
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| 12:33:38 | linuxstb_ | midkay: Whatever... But don't misquote me. |
| 12:33:41 | midkay | regardless, i was pressed for time and wrote something quickly to convey the idea. i don't think it's a workaround in general. |
| 12:33:50 | midkay | linuxstb_: misquote? i didn't quote you at all. |
| 12:33:54 | Soap | Many current sites still suggest EAC, it still works perfectly, and still produces proper logs. |
| 12:34:19 | qwm | linuxstb_: how's the video player progressing? |
| 12:34:34 | preglow | i'd like cue supprt, but not much enough to code it |
| 12:34:45 | markun | qwm: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/PluginMpegplayer?rev1=11;rev2=10 |
| 12:34:48 | nudelyn | EAC is great. But EAC can produce separate tracks as well (and does by default). |
| 12:34:57 | qwm | thanks markun |
| 12:35:09 | klos | anyone knows if ipodlinux does support cue files ? |
| 12:35:48 | Soap | #ipodlinux would know |
| 12:36:23 | klos | :) |
| 12:36:38 | midkay | linuxstb_: were you going to back up the "don't misquote me" claim or have we got an agreement that you weren't? |
| 12:36:57 | klos | ok thx guys, friendly nice support here |
| 12:37:00 | klos | bye |
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| 12:38:12 | markun | midkay: perhaps "linuxstb happens to say that we can sort of work around it" |
| 12:38:37 | midkay | markun: how is that a quote? there are no quotation marks and quite clearly no direct quoting... |
| 12:39:36 | markun | Is it called a paraphrase? |
| 12:39:50 | midkay | something like that, right. |
| 12:40:10 | midkay | linuxstb you stated something that all in all meant we could give the net result of cue support without it actually being cue support, thus a workaround, no? |
| 12:40:13 | midkay | -you |
| 12:41:13 | Bagder | I'd say cue support is the workaround for not having gapless |
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| 12:41:42 | midkay | Bagder: but if a users wants - this one is a quote - CUE support. wouldn't gapless be a workaround for that? even if it is the better method. |
| 12:41:46 | linuxstb_ | midkay: I've got better things to do than argue semantics... All I'm saying is that I didn't call anything a workaround. Please lets move on. |
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| 12:42:01 | Bagder | midkay: perhaps |
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| 12:42:11 | freqmod | Hello, does anybody know where the contacts and the hold button is for ipod mini ( freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipmini.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipmini.ink.svg ) |
| 12:42:17 | midkay | linuxstb_: sure - i just hope it's clear that i didn't intend to say you called it a workaround. i called it a workaround for a feature we don't have, even if it isn't really a workaround at all. |
| 12:42:31 | linuxstb_ | OK.. :) |
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| 12:43:07 | midkay | linuxstb_: hooray, a mutual agreement :) |
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| 12:46:18 | JdGordon | grr.... how do u do global replace in vim?? i cant remmebr :'( |
| 12:46:29 | JdGordon | isnt it g/old/new? |
| 12:46:30 | preglow | freqmod: didn't valin say something about the current arm assembler routines in speex not being usable? |
| 12:46:56 | freqmod | no, it was only the cookbook (for encoding) for armv4 |
| 12:47:06 | Bg3r | JdGordon: %s/ |
| 12:47:16 | Bg3r | %s/old/new/gc |
| 12:47:25 | Bg3r | g - global, more than 1 occurance on a line |
| 12:47:28 | Bg3r | c - confirm each |
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| 12:48:30 | preglow | i actually think the MULT_16_32 macros can be made faster on arm by a single parameter switch |
| 12:48:48 | freqmod | I am using the rest of the arm assembly (which works) |
| 12:49:08 | JdGordon | ah, thanks bg3r |
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| 12:49:27 | Bg3r | for nothing;) |
| 12:49:54 | freqmod | MULT_16_32 has assembly instructions available for arm5>= |
| 12:50:22 | preglow | MULT16_32 has asm even for arm4 |
| 12:51:23 | freqmod | ok, i tried to find it, but was lost |
| 12:51:28 | preglow | that's where we can gain a few cycles simply by switching %2 and %3 |
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| 12:52:09 | preglow | i think arm7tdmi does early termination on the last argument, and since one of the arguments will always be 16 bits, we can take advantage of that |
| 12:53:25 | amiconn | freqmod: The hold switch is where you placed it. The headphone jack is at the top right, with the remote contacts next to it |
| 12:53:40 | freqmod | amiconn: ok |
| 12:53:49 | amiconn | The proprietary connector is centered at the bottom |
| 12:55:49 | freqmod | like this? (updated the svg image) |
| 12:56:23 | preglow | freqmod: btw, i think it's probably better to define ARM4_ASM somewhere instead of checking for CPU_ARM in the speex code |
| 12:56:27 | preglow | the less we need to modify the code, the better |
| 12:56:50 | amiconn | freqmod: The bottom plug should be centered. Headphone is ok now |
| 12:57:04 | freqmod | ok, define it in arch.h (it is where it should be defined), and check if it is enabled all places |
| 12:57:04 | amiconn | I'm not sure about the hold switch orientation, can check tonight |
| 12:57:08 | * | freqmod has centered it |
| 12:57:35 | amiconn | Hmm, somehow I got an intermediate version first |
| 12:58:56 | preglow | hmm, is long-term prediction always used in speex? |
| 12:59:31 | freqmod | preglow: don't know |
| 12:59:44 | preglow | inner_prod can probably be made Very efficient with the emac |
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| 13:00:46 | preglow | and lucky me, looks like it's used all over the place |
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| 13:00:56 | freqmod | I was looking for asm instructions in http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DUI0068B_ADS1_2_Assembler.pdf |
| 13:01:32 | qwm | oh man, my penis is numb. :o |
| 13:02:00 | preglow | post pictures |
| 13:02:08 | amiconn | JdGordon: I didn't check out your latest commit, but in the build I am running on recorder the Off-Off shutdown in the tre is broken |
| 13:02:30 | qwm | preglow: if only i had a camera in my possession. |
| 13:02:35 | amiconn | s/tre/tree/ |
| 13:02:37 | qwm | don't think it shows anyway. |
| 13:02:56 | qwm | looks a little "whiter" than usual though. |
| 13:03:48 | preglow | freqmod: there's a doc floating around that's better than that |
| 13:03:56 | qwm | one thing that has always annoyed me is the fact that the penis has more skin pigmentation than the rest of the skin. |
| 13:05:02 | Mikachu | wtf |
| 13:05:36 | preglow | qwm: you need to find new stuff to be annoyed about |
| 13:06:27 | qwm | give me suggestions. i'm open-minded. |
| 13:06:32 | preglow | qwm: the rectum |
| 13:06:45 | preglow | freqmod: i've got a hunch speex will really benefit from the emac |
| 13:06:48 | qwm | um, let's not go *there*. |
| 13:06:56 | preglow | qwm: you said open-minded |
| 13:07:00 | scorche | qwm: i thought you like going *there* |
| 13:07:01 | freqmod | good to hear :) |
| 13:07:17 | preglow | stuff like inner_prod |
| 13:07:22 | qwm | but the rectum is close-minded, it just wants to be shut.. unless the muscle's damaged. |
| 13:07:27 | preglow | it'll bloody blaze along |
| 13:07:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, ill check it out |
| 13:07:49 | Bagder | qwm: please drop this crap talk |
| 13:07:59 | preglow | qwm: sorry, but the only off-topic banter i'm willing to engage in here is beer-related |
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| 13:08:17 | qwm | alright. |
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| 13:08:42 | JdGordon | iv got a patch to stop action lists automatically chaing to context_std done, except it just changes all the current maps to chain to it anyway, do i bother commiting it? |
| 13:08:53 | tucoz | freqmod, I take it for granted that the images you made are ok to use in the manual. |
| 13:09:10 | tucoz | but I want to make sure in any case |
| 13:09:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: I'd say commit it, then we can work from there |
| 13:09:39 | JdGordon | k |
| 13:09:40 | amiconn | The good thing is that it saves code while keeping the list lengths the same |
| 13:10:17 | freqmod | yes, use it in the manual, and on the dowload page (and everywhere else you want) (but I won't help you if Apple sues you over the design ;) ) |
| 13:10:19 | amiconn | And it's more straightforward for the coder as it does less things behind the scene |
| 13:11:20 | tucoz | freqmod, argh. No apple protection included. |
| 13:11:23 | qwm | anyone wanna join my cross-dressing anonymous rockbox user group? |
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| 13:11:46 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 13:12:00 | * | scorche watches Bagder wind up |
| 13:12:07 | scorche | errrr.. |
| 13:12:12 | * | petur reads the log |
| 13:12:14 | scorche | bah..nvm...i screwed it up |
| 13:13:09 | qwm | wind can be rather powerful you know. |
| 13:13:17 | qwm | just look at tornados and hurricanes. |
| 13:13:23 | * | preglow flips switches |
| 13:13:34 | * | scorche turns knobs |
| 13:14:10 | * | Bagder blinks leds |
| 13:14:24 | scorche | so i hear.. |
| 13:14:31 | midkay | for all we know the cross-dressing group is legit. |
| 13:14:32 | Bagder | you hear the leds? |
| 13:14:36 | scorche | but, we were discussing methods of input... |
| 13:14:39 | aliask | preglow: I want to thank you for that comment about being in rockbox for the chicks - I actually cracked up laughing when reading the logs. Made my IT class. |
| 13:14:41 | midkay | yet dongs is sitting here happily. something's wrong with this world. |
| 13:14:48 | * | amiconn flips datalines |
| 13:15:13 | * | petur produces packets |
| 13:15:40 | preglow | aliask: hahaha |
| 13:16:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: double-click off anywhere is supposed to turn the reocrder off? |
| 13:16:47 | * | firenx is bored, does drugs. |
| 13:17:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, only in the tree |
| 13:17:38 | JdGordon | oh ok.. that simplifies things a bit then :D |
| 13:17:40 | amiconn | The first press used to pop up the splash, the second press triggered shutdown |
| 13:17:52 | * | qwm had too strong coffee and feels awful |
| 13:18:12 | * | petur finds funny antenna cable http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00008YBCJ/026-5419338-9089235?v=glance&n=560798&s=electronics&v=glance |
| 13:18:16 | amiconn | ..unless the charger was connected. Then the first press popped up the charging splash, |
| 13:18:35 | qwm | and i wish i could find chantarelles.. chantarelles should be genetically modified to include a GPS for each fruiting body. |
| 13:18:44 | Kick | (#Rockbox qwm :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
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| 13:19:04 | amiconn | and holding Off also shows either splash |
| 13:19:07 | freqmod | What is wrong / is there anything wrong with this 3g ipod freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ip3g.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ip3g.ink.svg ? |
| 13:19:29 | amiconn | The recorder can't be shut down as long as the charger is connected, hence the 2 splashes |
| 13:19:29 | midkay | freqmod: Menu is offcenter. |
| 13:19:29 | midkay | :p |
| 13:19:47 | qwm | what the hell. |
| 13:19:47 | preglow | oooh, fancy-ass |
| 13:19:52 | midkay | amiconn: IMO it should go to the charging screen when off is held. when it's connected.. |
| 13:19:58 | freqmod | is it offcenter in the drawing or in the ipod? |
| 13:20:02 | * | JdGordon wonders why cvs is telling him he doesnt have permission to commit.. even tho i definatly did log in! |
| 13:20:05 | midkay | in the drawing, the text. |
| 13:20:20 | * | midkay is going to bed. |
| 13:20:22 | midkay | night all. |
| 13:20:24 | amiconn | midkay: Imho the charging screen could be removed. |
| 13:20:34 | midkay | amiconn: hm, maybe.. |
| 13:20:37 | midkay | *shrugs* |
| 13:20:45 | midkay | got to sleep anyways.. laters. |
| 13:21:01 | amiconn | Then we could remove the car adapter mode setting |
| 13:21:03 | JdGordon | do i need to do co as my user to be able to commit? even if i did the login cmd as me? |
| 13:21:11 | qwm | natti midkay |
| 13:21:30 | dan_a | freqmod: I think the headphone socket should be in the centre, and the hold switch on the other side. I'll check when I get home. |
| 13:21:31 | amiconn | JdGordon: You can't commit from an anonymous checkout |
| 13:21:35 | freqmod | is it offcenter on this rendering too, if so in which direction? freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/tmpshot7.png">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/tmpshot7.png |
| 13:21:41 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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| 13:22:39 | * | freqmod has reupploaded a fix where the cable is in the center and the hold swich on the right side |
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| 13:23:55 | * | freqmod will release all rights on the drawings (except that you can't pretend it is your own work) |
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| 13:26:12 | tucoz | freqmod, wouldn't images used in the manual also be under the GFDL? |
| 13:26:58 | freqmod | well yea, ok no problem, my "license" compiles with gfdl i think, and if not you may release it under gfdl. |
| 13:27:20 | scorche | i am off also...g'night channel |
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| 13:28:01 | tucoz | ok, cool. |
| 13:28:40 | tucoz | bbl |
| 13:28:44 | JdGordon | yay! 3rd time lucky :p |
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| 13:39:18 | freqmod | What is written at the left side of the screen on the iaudio x5? |
| 13:39:50 | daurn|laptop | when/ |
| 13:39:58 | freqmod | and what are the controls in the "wheel" at the front, and the controls on the right side? |
| 13:41:08 | freqmod | (current) freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iax5.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iax5.ink.svg |
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| 13:44:28 | Bagder | grrr |
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| 13:49:14 | * | freqmod hates when Xorg+linux 2.6.18-rc3+x86 makes the alt key stuck on the keybord and he has to restart X :( |
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| 13:53:04 | preglow | freqmod: i think the headphone plugs in on the side on the x5 |
| 13:53:42 | freqmod | found http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00619/2iaudiox5_30gb_619653f.jpg |
| 13:54:09 | preglow | yeah, you can see the socket on the side there |
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| 13:58:26 | amiconn | freqmod: The text at the left is "COLOR SOUND" |
| 13:58:44 | freqmod | could somebody (with an iaudio x5) take a picture of the right side (where the buttons are) |
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| 14:00:17 | freqmod | iax5 updated |
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| 14:04:50 | * | amiconn forgot to bring his X5 for scanning :/ |
| 14:05:39 | freqmod | well, ok the x5 is as finished as i can make it without knowing the right side buttons. |
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| 14:06:19 | amiconn | The size relation between lcd and the whole front is off... |
| 14:06:43 | amiconn | freqmod: You don't need to do the archoses; pixelma is working on these |
| 14:07:10 | freqmod | ok, doing the iriver h340 |
| 14:07:38 | freqmod | changed the x5 font |
| 14:07:40 | freqmod | size |
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| 14:13:35 | firenx | man i love rockbox.. where did it all start out from |
| 14:14:27 | preglow | swedish madmen coding wanting a better firmware for archos mp3 players |
| 14:14:32 | preglow | s/coding// |
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| 14:22:22 | linuxstb_ | firenx: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
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| 14:26:27 | * | freqmod thinks iriver should have emploied apple designers, they are much more minimalistic, which results in much less work ;) |
| 14:26:44 | mirak2 | happy evening |
| 14:27:52 | * | pixelma is with freqmod ;) |
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| 14:30:51 | freqmod | i won't create all the gradients required for the buttons (i think), anybody is free to do it (when I am finished) |
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| 14:35:32 | linuxstb_ | freqmod: Don't complain about the iriver designers - at least they know the value of having a reasonable number of buttons... :) |
| 14:37:01 | freqmod | many buttons are good for rockbox, it confuses the users however... (and makes more work for vector design rippers) |
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| 14:37:35 | Mikachu | strange button combos are also confusing |
| 14:37:47 | nudelyn | it's nice to be able to adjust volume while in a menu, though... sigh |
| 14:38:00 | nudelyn | apple took it too far imo |
| 14:38:24 | Mikachu | if you could call the quickscreen from the menus, that would be solved |
| 14:38:25 | linuxstb_ | freqmod: But surely a "stop" button wouldn't be too much to ask... |
| 14:38:37 | Mikachu | is Play used in the menu for ipods? |
| 14:38:39 | * | Mikachu tries |
| 14:38:46 | nudelyn | play goes to the WPS menu |
| 14:38:54 | nudelyn | er, non-menu :) |
| 14:38:58 | nudelyn | screen, that's the word |
| 14:39:00 | Mikachu | not when you're in the menu |
| 14:39:08 | Mikachu | i can already reach the quickscreen from the filebrowser |
| 14:39:42 | nudelyn | not after startup when no track is playing... which is often when i want to adjust the volume (e.g. i'm now in the office, and don't want the track to play at the loud volume that i was listening to on the train) |
| 14:39:59 | freqmod | that is the difference between specially made firmwares and all around firmwares like rockbox, speclially created firmwares has more modes and uses all buttons everywhere |
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| 14:40:19 | Mikachu | i am of course assuming you apply my change that lets you use the wheel to adjust volume in the quickscreen at all times |
| 14:41:38 | nudelyn | i haven't seen that. interesting. i'm still using an ancient verison of RB TBH because I dont' want to be without album art and the ancient version kinda works, and I can't be bothered keeping up with the album art patch until it's more stable or in CVS |
| 14:42:07 | Mikachu | i don't think i've submitted it, or it got voted down |
| 14:42:19 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: I've never heard of it... |
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| 14:43:30 | JdGordon | has the builds stopped again or is tupid IE being stupoid? |
| 14:43:45 | Mikachu | this is possibly a stupid question |
| 14:43:54 | Mikachu | why do the actions have the context they're in in their define? |
| 14:44:04 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Yes, it looks that way... |
| 14:44:15 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Build problems... |
| 14:44:20 | Mikachu | why not just ACTION_PLAY? |
| 14:44:25 | JdGordon | hmm... i thought Bagder fixed it so they arent supposed to crash anymore? |
| 14:44:31 | JdGordon | Mikachu: where? |
| 14:44:36 | Mikachu | anywhere |
| 14:44:40 | Bagder | JdGordon: its in progress |
| 14:44:41 | linuxstb_ | everywhere... |
| 14:45:27 | Bagder | I'm currently just verifying that my script has everything it needs to do starting automatically |
| 14:45:27 | JdGordon | because not everything really is "global".. i.e some stuff is just for one screen |
| 14:45:31 | Mikachu | if i want to make an action to change volume in the quickscreen, do i need to make a new ACTION_QS_VOLUP or can i just use ACTION_WPS_VOLUP? |
| 14:45:32 | Bagder | and that the build is restarted |
| 14:45:47 | Bagder | and it seems it works |
| 14:45:56 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:46:19 | Bagder | so I'll just have to add the "check for hanging build" logic to a script and kill the build if it seems to hang |
| 14:46:23 | JdGordon | Mikachu: making a new one would probably work best.. up to you... if it works on all targets then use WPS |
| 14:46:39 | Mikachu | okay |
| 14:47:05 | * | JdGordon appologises for adding some colour to the table... compile log must have gone too fast on my comp :p |
| 14:47:36 | * | Bagder hands JdGordon his 32 points on a plate |
| 14:47:37 | Mikachu | JdGordon: which context is used for menus, std? |
| 14:48:29 | jhMikeS | pcm_record.c is only used on coldfire? Are all the other non-coldfire targets hardware codec? |
| 14:48:43 | JdGordon | midkay: not 100% sure... should be menu but you'd have to check the code |
| 14:48:44 | Bagder | jhMikeS: only archos is hwcodec |
| 14:48:52 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I've been working on ipod recording, and that's in pcm_record.c at the moment... |
| 14:48:59 | linuxstb_ | (just locally, not in CVS yet) |
| 14:49:04 | jhMikeS | #if defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && !defined(SIMULATOR) |
| 14:49:04 | jhMikeS | pcm_record.c |
| 14:49:04 | jhMikeS | #endif |
| 14:49:10 | jhMikeS | from sources |
| 14:49:12 | JdGordon | who is Marcoen Hirschberg ? |
| 14:49:14 | LinusN | pcm_record.c is only used on coldfire, because the coldfire platform is the only swcodec so far that can record |
| 14:49:29 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 14:49:33 | freqmod | freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/irh340.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/irh340.ink.svg (it looks a little flat and childish) |
| 14:49:36 | Mikachu | JdGordon: i just realized the code has to check for the action too :) |
| 14:49:42 | * | linuxstb_ suspects his ipod recording tree is badly broken by recent CVS changes... |
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| 14:50:42 | freqmod | and what is writtten at the left of the screen "Multi codec ???" - is it "Multi codec digital audio player"? |
| 14:51:08 | tucoz | freqmod, on my h120 it says MULTI-CODEC JUKEBOX |
| 14:51:14 | freqmod | ok |
| 14:51:30 | freqmod | in capital letters? |
| 14:51:33 | tucoz | yes |
| 14:52:05 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/h140.jpg |
| 14:52:07 | tucoz | May I ask why the h340 svg is 767K large? |
| 14:52:12 | JdGordon | markun is the gigabeat guy ye? |
| 14:52:15 | Bagder | shows the text clearly |
| 14:52:33 | markun | JdGordon: yes |
| 14:52:41 | tucoz | while the others are around ~20K |
| 14:52:57 | JdGordon | your keymap file may not work as expected.... i changed the way LAST_ACTION_LIST works... |
| 14:52:59 | freqmod | because neither opera nor ksvg supported patterns so i created duplicate squares to make the background pattern |
| 14:53:14 | jhMikeS | LinusN: That recording patch works after modifying it but with a couple hitches: Going fast to the rec screen with voice menus on will hang it (voice hangs alot anway), sometimes you get a dupe filename (dupe seemed to disappear after reboot so maybe dircache?), when playing back the recorded files the prog. bar and playtime stop about 2s from the end. |
| 14:54:45 | markun | JdGordon: chris was working on the gigabeat keymap file. But because it was broken again I used the iriver file as a template. |
| 14:54:53 | markun | Did I use an older version? |
| 14:55:10 | markun | JdGordon: s/chris/hotwire/ |
| 14:55:17 | pixelma | btw.. tucoz: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Player_colours.svg and updated http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Recorder_colours.svg |
| 14:55:20 | JdGordon | ye, i did a commit about 90min ago which invalidated it |
| 14:55:30 | JdGordon | its a very easy change tho.. |
| 14:55:57 | JdGordon | also the (c) notice in keymap-gigapeat is to me.. not you :p |
| 14:55:58 | markun | JdGordon: can you fix it? |
| 14:56:03 | JdGordon | ye, ok |
| 14:57:24 | Mikachu | hm, now i can go to the quickscreen from the menu, but when i return, the menu uses the button click from exiting the quickscreen |
| 14:57:44 | JdGordon | action_signalscreenchange() |
| 14:57:49 | Mikachu | i tried that |
| 14:57:54 | LinusN | jhMikeS: care to update the patch in the tracker? |
| 14:58:00 | * | JdGordon has to do a wiki page asap :p |
| 14:58:08 | JdGordon | Mikachu: and it didnt work? |
| 14:58:19 | JdGordon | s/?/! |
| 14:58:20 | Mikachu | nope |
| 14:58:31 | Mikachu | i may have done something wrong though |
| 14:58:39 | Mikachu | and the menu code has some funky button callbacks too |
| 14:58:56 | * | freqmod does iHP-140 |
| 14:59:15 | Mikachu | http://pastebot.openbox.org/2 |
| 14:59:19 | JdGordon | markun: fixed |
| 14:59:23 | markun | thanks |
| 14:59:46 | Mikachu | JdGordon: does that look right? |
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| 15:00:49 | JdGordon | it looks right.. |
| 15:01:21 | theli_ua | anyone has idea why i can get error: ‘struct plugin_api’ has no member named ‘pcm_play_stop’ ? |
| 15:01:37 | Mikachu | JdGordon: the quickscreen exits on _release_ of the select button so i don't see how that action can make it back to the menu |
| 15:01:39 | JdGordon | coz it has no member pcm_play_stop ? :P |
| 15:02:01 | Mikachu | JdGordon: but it's possible it's related to any of the other 100 changes i've made :) |
| 15:02:16 | theli_ua | JdGordon, well it definitly has |
| 15:02:25 | JdGordon | can you show me the quick_Screen_quick function unless you havnt changed it? |
| 15:02:39 | JdGordon | theli_ua: its not #ifdef'ed out? |
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| 15:03:04 | theli_ua | JdGordon, idefd in SWCODEC ... i'm trying to build in iPod mini sim |
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| 15:03:12 | Mikachu | JdGordon: haven't changed that one |
| 15:03:27 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I'm not quite ready for that...want to add fmrecord and do some recording related housekeeping first. I hope you don't mind. |
| 15:03:43 | JdGordon | theli_ua: i dunno.. i was actually just being a msart ass.. sorry.. |
| 15:03:48 | JdGordon | Mikachu: which file is it in? |
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| 15:03:53 | Mikachu | screens.c |
| 15:04:18 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: It's also surrounded by #ifndef SIMULATOR... |
| 15:04:27 | theli_ua | o.. :( |
| 15:04:40 | linuxstb_ | But I'm not sure why - we should try and make it work in the sim. |
| 15:04:54 | theli_ua | thnx linustb, btw have you seen latest patch i've uploaded? (seemed to clean out all warnings) |
| 15:05:25 | JdGordon | Mikachu: side note... will quick_screen_quick be happy with BUTTON_NONE as button_enter? |
| 15:05:36 | linuxstb_ | You could just try enabling it for the sim, and see what happens... pcm_play_data is implemented for the sim in uisimulator/sdl/sound.c |
| 15:05:38 | Mikachu | i don't know exactly |
| 15:05:51 | Mikachu | JdGordon: but i can't say what button was used for it since i only know what action got triggered in the end? |
| 15:05:53 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: No, I haven't had chance yet. |
| 15:06:01 | Mikachu | JdGordon: or should i give the action? |
| 15:06:18 | * | Mikachu tries |
| 15:06:21 | JdGordon | Mikachu: iirc quickscreen do_button should be working with actions now.. not buttons.. |
| 15:06:46 | JdGordon | ye, it works on actions now |
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| 15:07:06 | Mikachu | putting key instead of BUTTON_NONE there only made it so i have to press select twice to exit, and then it fires the menu entry anyway |
| 15:07:20 | Mikachu | button_none and action_none are the same anyway right? |
| 15:07:25 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:08:00 | JdGordon | change it to ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN.. the qs code doesnt look like it will be happy with button_none |
| 15:08:26 | JdGordon | i doubt that will solve your problem tho |
| 15:08:31 | Mikachu | i just said it didn't :) |
| 15:08:50 | * | JdGordon had the window half covered :p |
| 15:09:02 | mirak2 | in idct there is a shift donne to adjust the precision of the number calculated since that's fixed point computing. Does anyone knows what is the rule used to preserve the precision ? |
| 15:09:04 | Mikachu | could the problem be the qs exits on button release instead of button press? |
| 15:09:15 | tucoz | pixelma, thanks |
| 15:09:17 | Mikachu | the screenchange only seems to stop repeats, not releases |
| 15:09:39 | JdGordon | it shuoldnt be, because the screenchange function should still work |
| 15:10:18 | Mikachu | it sets last_button to BUTTON_NONE unconditionally and the keymap has STD_OK with a prereq of BUTTON_SELECT so i don't see how it is even triggered |
| 15:10:25 | lorijho | hey guys |
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| 15:10:46 | lorijho | how comes that I cannot checkout rockbox-all or rockbox-devel ?? |
| 15:10:53 | JdGordon | Mikachu: silly q.. but have you tried doing a full make bin again? |
| 15:11:06 | jhMikeS | I'm also wondering if FM radio recording ought to be done just through the recording screen and not the FM radio screen at all at least on targets where that makes some sense. |
| 15:11:08 | Mikachu | yeah but what i haven't tried is cvs update |
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| 15:11:23 | JdGordon | that shuoldnt matter i would think |
| 15:15:00 | * | JdGordon is stumped... |
| 15:15:03 | lorijho | The wiki says that there are aliases like rockbox-all and rockbox-devel, what's the command to co them ? |
| 15:15:30 | lorijho | I especially need to get the bootloader tree to for H10 developpment |
| 15:15:37 | Mikachu | JdGordon: have you tried it? |
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| 15:16:00 | JdGordon | Mikachu: no, my computer isnt really compilable atm... |
| 15:16:08 | Mikachu | ah |
| 15:16:43 | jhMikeS | No opinions about that? |
| 15:17:29 | JdGordon | 2 more emerges and i should be able to move upstaris to my comp where i can sdl and compile for the target... |
| 15:17:55 | dan_a | lorijho: What have you done so far? Have you been following any specific instructions? |
| 15:18:28 | lorijho | hi dan_a |
| 15:18:30 | JdGordon | Mikachu: what target? |
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| 15:18:34 | Mikachu | ipod |
| 15:18:42 | JdGordon | it might be a probme of the keymap file.. not the code |
| 15:18:54 | lorijho | dan_a: I followed UsingCVS on the wiki |
| 15:19:19 | lorijho | dan_a: The following works: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox |
| 15:19:55 | lorijho | I thought rockbox-all would co everything with bootloader and simulator code but it doesn't check it out |
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| 15:20:16 | JdGordon | Mikachu: ok, found the problem.... it is the keymap file... (unless youve canged it) std_cancel from qs is _MENU not _MENU|REL |
| 15:20:19 | crashd | hmm, is there any reported problems with charging an ipod 5g from a socket from within rockbox? |
| 15:20:26 | lorijho | dan_a: I invoke this ?? -> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox-all co rockbox-everything |
| 15:20:46 | JdGordon | also screenchange() should be catching the _REL event.. |
| 15:21:04 | Mikachu | well, i have changed it, but to _SELECT, not |REL |
| 15:21:11 | Mikachu | so i'll try adding that |
| 15:21:22 | barrywardell | lorijho: no doa cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 15:21:40 | lorijho | barrywardell: thx |
| 15:21:51 | lorijho | I know svn better |
| 15:22:30 | barrywardell | lorijho: are you interested in working on the H10? |
| 15:22:33 | linuxstb_ | crashd: The main problem is that Rockbox can't detect the difference between a USB connection to a computer and a USB connection to a wall socket, so it reboots to disk mode in both cases (unless you explicitly tell Rockbox not to reboot when you insert a USB cable). |
| 15:23:18 | Mikachu | JdGordon: in context_standard, ACTION_STD_OK is BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REL, BUT, the prereq isn't BUTTON_SELECT |
| 15:23:23 | Mikachu | JdGordon: is that on purpose or mistake? |
| 15:23:27 | crashd | linuxstb_: yeah, i was in china and thought i wouldnt be able to charge it, but i figured if you boot to original firmware you can charge it from there |
| 15:24:06 | lorijho | barrywardell: Yeah, I own a H10 6GB and I'm a CS student so I thought I might give it a try. H10 needs Rockbox badly I think. The Iriver firmware is weak |
| 15:24:06 | Mikachu | changing that didn't help of course... |
| 15:24:28 | Bagder | lorijho: and the H10 Rockbox project needs you! ;-) |
| 15:25:03 | barrywardell | lorijho: great. we welcome all the help we can get |
| 15:25:18 | JdGordon | Mikachu: its OK either way.. it just means without the SELECT prereq it will trigger after a repeat action |
| 15:25:23 | lorijho | Bagder: I have some experience in NASM and C++ I hope to be able to understand the developpment of rockbox |
| 15:25:28 | JdGordon | and damn:p |
| 15:25:29 | Mikachu | JdGordon: i see |
| 15:25:51 | Bagder | lorijho: there's a learning curve, but there's lots of people around to ask and code to read |
| 15:26:07 | jhMikeS | ok then, since i can't get any valuable input, i'll just do what _I_ want then−− take it or leave it. sorry for the attitude. |
| 15:26:08 | barrywardell | lorijho: the lcd stuff for the H10 in the CVS at the moment probably won't work on the 6GB |
| 15:26:46 | lorijho | Yeah I read that the lcd code is for the 20GB for now |
| 15:27:16 | barrywardell | it should be easily adapted to the 6GB's screen though |
| 15:27:26 | lorijho | barrywardell: so the only difference is that the LCD is turned 90 degrees |
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| 15:27:39 | barrywardell | no, more than that |
| 15:27:48 | barrywardell | it's a different size and different controller |
| 15:28:04 | barrywardell | 20GB is 160x128, 6GB is 128x128 |
| 15:28:05 | lorijho | barrywardell: ok |
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| 15:28:52 | lorijho | barrywardell: Is there a dev manual for the 5/6GB LCD ? |
| 15:28:53 | barrywardell | accessing the lcd can probably be done the same way, but the commands might be different |
| 15:29:36 | barrywardell | I think it's it's a TL1771 |
| 15:29:47 | lorijho | barrywardell: I have successfully set up the cross compiling env for arm |
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| 15:30:24 | * | JdGordon going to bed, unless my comp is going to co-operate and kde runs :p |
| 15:30:31 | barrywardell | I found this: http://www.zettlerelectronics.nl/pdf/tftmodules/ampire/AM128128R.pdf#search=%22am128128r.pdf%22 |
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| 15:31:30 | freqmod | freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iph-140.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iph-140.ink.svg |
| 15:31:39 | barrywardell | lorijho: It's a different LCD but it has the instructions there on page 15 |
| 15:32:27 | lorijho | barrywardell: I'm reading it now... |
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| 15:34:19 | barrywardell | lorijho: actually, looking at it now, it seems to be the same as the ipod nano |
| 15:35:30 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Regarding your FM recording question - the recording people (Mmmm, Petur) are obviously not around at the moment. There was also a brief discussion about FM and recording a couple of days ago - check the IRC logs. You need to catch the right people... |
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| 15:37:46 | lorijho | barrywardell: where is the lcd code fir ipod nano in the source tree ? |
| 15:38:04 | lorijho | barrywardell: for comparision to the pdf manual |
| 15:38:17 | barrywardell | lorijho: looking closer again, it's the same as the H10 too. you may be able to just edit firmware/export/config-h10_5gb.h and change LCD_WIDTH to 128 |
| 15:38:20 | markun | freqmod: nice |
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| 15:38:43 | Bg3r | hm |
| 15:38:53 | Bg3r | is this license compatible with GPL ? http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license.php |
| 15:39:18 | delmonico | hi :) I just fscked my rockbox - I tried some X5 themes and after switching from HiPodDark to HiPod, I can't use the menu any more - while the WPS works (using HiPod light theme), the menu only shows the HiPod-Black background with no text... |
| 15:39:28 | barrywardell | lorijho: the nano lcd code is in firmware/drivers/lcd-ipod.c (second half of the file); h10 lcd code is in firmware/export/arm/iriver/h10/lcd-h10.c |
| 15:39:45 | delmonico | Bg3r: go to the license list at gnu.org - you should find the info there |
| 15:39:51 | freqmod | delmonico: try to reset your settings (anyone: how to do that on x5?) |
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| 15:40:42 | lorijho | barrywardell: LCD_WITH 128 is already in firmware/export/config-h10_5gb.h |
| 15:40:56 | delmonico | yep, I can't find a settings file... greped for HiPod and WPS in the .rockbox dir, but that doesn't find me a useful file |
| 15:41:20 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Thanks. I'm don't yet know who all the people are for what thing so It's not really obvious to me. I myself seem to be working and kindly requested to work on just about everything under the sun. I know Mmmm and Petur do the recording stuff but I thought surely others could have some ideas or involvement too. |
| 15:42:05 | BrianHV | on the "Background noise" line of http://www.roox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison, the colors don't match up with the Yes/No |
| 15:42:22 | freqmod | delmonico: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5-20060821.pdf p 44 |
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| 15:43:10 | delmonico | freqmod: thanks, but it describes the codepage setting? |
| 15:43:16 | barrywardell | lorijho: ha ha. true. then maybe the lcd driver will just work as it is now |
| 15:43:17 | BrianHV | oh, I think I get it now. never mind. |
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| 15:43:30 | freqmod | i know, the reference (from an other page in the manual) was wrong |
| 15:45:39 | delmonico | okay, i deleted the backdrop image from dark theme, this works |
| 15:45:40 | * | barrywardell is not thinking straight today |
| 15:45:44 | delmonico | thanks anyway :) |
| 15:47:00 | freqmod | They who have written the iaudiox5 manual: where is the resetting of settings described in chapter 6.4, referenced from page 12 (section 2.5)? |
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| 15:49:18 | linuxstb_ | Bg3r: I'm pretty sure that license is incompatible - there seem to be too many extra restrictions on what you can do with the code. But as delmonico said, best to try and find an official GNU statement if you can. |
| 15:49:27 | lorijho | barrywardell: How to build the bootloader for 5/6GB ? |
| 15:50:00 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Did you find the discussion in the irc logs? |
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| 15:50:33 | jhMikeS | For one thing I'm trying to simplify the use of recording APIs for SWCODEC so that the details can be hidden from the UI code. It's terrible to see all that #if ...SWCODEC lying around in UI code. Both radio.c and recording.c share pretty much the same code. |
| 15:50:38 | barrywardell | lorijho: make a new directory inside rockbox-devel. cd into it. run ../tools/configure. Select 24, then b for bootloader. then make |
| 15:50:51 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Was busy I'll look now. |
| 15:50:59 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060818.txt starting at around 13:06 |
| 15:51:14 | barrywardell | lorijho: it creates a H10.mi4 file which you can copy to your player's System directory |
| 15:51:45 | lorijho | barrywardell: thx |
| 15:51:52 | barrywardell | lorijho: but make a backup the the mi4 file that's there already |
| 15:52:11 | lorijho | barrywardell: sure :) |
| 15:54:00 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Sorry, that discussion was much briefer than I remembered... But I think the idea was to make the FM screen handle recording from FM - which is how it works on hwcodec. |
| 15:54:39 | tucoz | amiconn, around? |
| 15:54:39 | Bg3r | linuxstb: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ArtisticLicense |
| 15:55:26 | tucoz | amiconn, I wonder what we should call the on button on the recorders. In the image in the current manual, we call it menu. But we call it On in the text |
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| 15:57:18 | tucoz | Same thing with the one marked as Off. It's called Stop now, but shouldn't we call it Off instead (as that is what is printed on the button) |
| 15:57:46 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Well...I see...I'm not sure I agree with that. Added another recording source: "fm radio". The apis in pcm_record.c should handle setting the muxes correctly. You just tell it what source to use: mic, line-in, [spdif], [fmradio]... |
| 15:58:21 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but then how do you adjust the radio parameters? e.g. switch the tuner from mono to stereo, or adjust the tuning/ |
| 15:58:22 | lorijho | barrywardell: make produces error for main.c FLASH_ENTRYPOINT, GPIO1_*, BUTTON_REC etc.. undeclared |
| 15:58:22 | linuxstb_ | ? |
| 15:58:23 | Bagder | tucoz: I think they should be called On and Off as much as possible as that's what marks on the buttons say |
| 15:58:43 | jhMikeS | You can't use the more advanced buttons available on the record screen on the radio screen unless the buttons are modal for recording. |
| 15:58:55 | tucoz | Yes. I think we can agree on that. I guess there is a reason to why they were renamed to menu and stop in the past |
| 15:59:07 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think we should support noth |
| 15:59:08 | LinusN | both |
| 15:59:24 | freqmod | maybe we should design the manual pictures with the button names used in the manual |
| 15:59:26 | jhMikeS | LinusN: both what? recording in either manner? |
| 15:59:40 | LinusN | a simple recording mode in the fm screen, and an advanced one in the recording screen |
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| 16:00:20 | tucoz | freqmod, yes. That is a simple change. However, the old 2.4 manual had the buttons marked as Menu and Stop (while the print on the buttons is On and Off) |
| 16:00:48 | LinusN | well, on the FM recorder the ON button is marked as both |
| 16:01:12 | barrywardell | lorijho: i'll look into that now |
| 16:01:19 | jhMikeS | LinusN: That where I took it in my head as well...but I think things should be consistent regarding starting a new file...short presses on record for both screens. |
| 16:01:20 | LinusN | the button has "ON" engraved on the button, with the test "Menu" beside it |
| 16:01:37 | LinusN | iirc |
| 16:01:45 | Bagder | no |
| 16:01:49 | lorijho | barrywardell: I invoke PATH=~/build/rockbox/cross-compiler/arm-elf/bin:$PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/build/rockbox/cross-compiler/arm-elf/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ../tools/configure and the same for make |
| 16:01:49 | Bagder | not my recorder at least |
| 16:02:01 | theli_ua | what type of buffer wants rb->pcm_play_data? 16 bit stereo? |
| 16:02:04 | LinusN | Bagder: i didn't know you had an FM recorder |
| 16:02:10 | Bagder | oops |
| 16:02:29 | * | Bagder shuts up and goes to the corner. "must learn to read" |
| 16:02:42 | tucoz | LinusN, ah. That is the case for the FM recorders |
| 16:02:50 | LinusN | and V2 |
| 16:03:25 | tucoz | ok. So, what do you think? Call the buttons On and Off on the old recorder, and Menu Stop on the v2/fm? |
| 16:03:47 | tucoz | or even On/Menu, Off/Stop |
| 16:05:11 | preglow | Bagder: so, how's that "let's kill player" mail coming along? :> |
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| 16:05:31 | Bagder | ah forgot that |
| 16:06:10 | barrywardell | lorijho: look in bootloader/SOURCES |
| 16:06:22 | * | preglow directs his anti cod shield against amiconn |
| 16:06:46 | LinusN | "Player must die" |
| 16:06:49 | barrywardell | lorijho: add || defined(IRIVER_H10_20GC) to the #elif defined(IRIVER_H10) line |
| 16:06:57 | lorijho | barrywardell: I see there's no h10_5gb target specfied right ? |
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| 16:07:20 | lorijho | barrywardell: I see there's no h10_5gb target specfied right ? |
| 16:07:31 | lorijho | barrywardell: oh ok I'll add it |
| 16:07:45 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: I reckon you should be able to flip between the radio and recording screen at the press of a button |
| 16:08:00 | LinusN | that would be nice |
| 16:08:00 | barrywardell | lorijho: that should have been || defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB) |
| 16:08:06 | jhMikeS | That's stronger motivation to have audio_init_recording subsume the details instead of carry out the same lengthy procedure used in both screens to set it up. I've also condensed the audio format details (labels, codecs [now relative path], rec extension) into a single array and saved at least 100 bytes. |
| 16:08:11 | * | barrywardell is really not thinking straight today |
| 16:08:30 | lorijho | barrywardell: nevermind I knew what you meant to write :) |
| 16:08:36 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 16:08:43 | freqmod | button annotations on ipod nano: freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipnoanno.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipnoanno.svg |
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| 16:08:50 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: Yes, I think pcm_play_data() requires 16-bit, signed, host-endian, interleaved stereo samples. Also, ipods only accept 44.1KHz at the moment (but should accept more), Coldfire targets can only handle 44.1KHz, 22.05KHz and 11.025KHz. |
| 16:08:59 | preglow | urg |
| 16:09:13 | preglow | i'm not looking forward to that :> |
| 16:09:24 | lorijho | barrywardell: you commit that change later ? |
| 16:09:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: To what? |
| 16:09:36 | preglow | linuxstb_: supporting several sample rates internally |
| 16:09:52 | linuxstb_ | I guess no-one is, which is why it isn't done. |
| 16:10:00 | barrywardell | lorijho: if you check it and it works, I will |
| 16:10:05 | preglow | i'll need to dig up another spare register in the crossfeed routine for that |
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| 16:10:12 | preglow | since the delay no longer is fixed size |
| 16:10:13 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, how can i convert byte[size] array of 8b mono sound buff to what pcm_play_data can accept? |
| 16:10:27 | preglow | theli_ua: signed or unsigned? |
| 16:10:37 | theli_ua | signed i guess |
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| 16:10:49 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: Can you change the code so it generates 16-bit signed stereo data instead? |
| 16:10:49 | preglow | theli_ua: if signed, you just set the upper byte of the 16 bit value to the 8 bit value, and the lower one to 0 |
| 16:10:50 | tucoz | freqmod, you do not have to make the button assignments. I am on that task |
| 16:11:18 | preglow | if unsigned, you need to bias the value by -128 first |
| 16:11:21 | theli_ua | preglow, whats about mono/stereo stuff? |
| 16:11:34 | preglow | theli_ua: just duplicate the data for both channels if you need to pass stereo |
| 16:11:57 | tucoz | however, another thing that needs to be fixed is the Rockbox-logo svg found in the frontpage directory. The box part is gray, but should be slightly blue |
| 16:11:58 | freqmod | ok, that was only an example |
| 16:12:21 | lorijho | barrywardell: Couldn't find mi4code. So I'll have to build mi4code seperately. It's not in rockbox cvs ? |
| 16:12:37 | barrywardell | lorijho: yes, you need mi4code in your $PATH |
| 16:12:38 | freqmod | frontpage directory in cvs? |
| 16:12:46 | tucoz | yes. in the manual directory |
| 16:12:54 | Mmmm | [HO]vo|t: I committed the patch I asked you to test. I decided it would be easier if I just forced everybody to test it! :D |
| 16:12:55 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: That occured to me too. Need your valuable input to decide what approach to set up and do it correctly now! :) Saves much work later. |
| 16:13:05 | barrywardell | lorijho: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html |
| 16:13:19 | freqmod | ahh, and maybe we should put the rockbox logo's on the lcd screens of the targets |
| 16:13:21 | lorijho | barrywardell: thx |
| 16:13:45 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: I think this would be best, then the radio screen can just be for the radio (no recording functionality) |
| 16:14:00 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: What players were using recording on the fmradio screen anyway? |
| 16:14:17 | Mmmm | all hardware..Ondio, Recorder |
| 16:15:29 | freqmod | was it the yellow colour that was wrong? |
| 16:17:27 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: I suppose adding the screen flip for recording to swcodec would be the easiest approch now. I can't test the hw ones anyway. |
| 16:17:29 | lorijho | barrywardell: H10.mi4 built successfully. Giving it a try now, let's just hope it won't kill the player :) |
| 16:18:30 | tucoz | freqmod, no. The gray 'box' is supposed to be blueish |
| 16:18:33 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: I agree... |
| 16:18:37 | barrywardell | lorijho: good luck. it shouldn't damage the player. it only accesses the lcd |
| 16:18:55 | tucoz | freqmod, may I ask how you made the arrows? |
| 16:18:57 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: I suppose the screens should be able to flip to each other? if you select source: fm radio, should the radio start? Now that its started should you be able to flip to it? |
| 16:19:05 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Where's your H10 at the moment? :) |
| 16:19:10 | lorijho | barrywardell: yeah that shouldn't do harm |
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| 16:19:58 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: ha ha :) |
| 16:20:59 | freqmod | in inkscape the fill and borders dialog 3 page (borderstyle) (don't really know the english original names, uses no transl) |
| 16:22:07 | tucoz | thanks. That is fill and stroke in english |
| 16:22:36 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: Yes, definitely flip between both or it solves none of the problems. Source: fmradio-> start radio is good and if you go into the radio screen and then flip to recording set source to FMradio |
| 16:23:16 | freqmod | tucoz: some renderers KSVG & opera has some problems with arrows |
| 16:23:39 | tucoz | oh. wierd. Well, as long as latex can handle it, I am happy |
| 16:23:40 | tucoz | :) |
| 16:23:45 | freqmod | Rockbox correct yellow (from the image on the front page) and a bluer blue, based on the image from the frontpage freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rockboxlogo3.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rockboxlogo3.svg |
| 16:24:16 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: also changing source to anything other than fmradio must switch off the radio. |
| 16:24:16 | tucoz | cool. thanks |
| 16:24:36 | lorijho | barrywardell: after unmounting the device the h10 says "System File Missing" |
| 16:24:50 | freqmod | is the blue blue enough? |
| 16:25:08 | barrywardell | lorijho: ah. that means it doesn't recognise the mi4 file |
| 16:27:19 | barrywardell | lorijho: can you get the original H10.mi4 file from your player and decrypt it? when you do, tell me what decryption key mi4code uses |
| 16:27:42 | lorijho | barrywardell: k just a sec |
| 16:28:11 | tucoz | I would say so |
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| 16:30:10 | lorijho | barrywardell: Decrypted ok with key 'default' (20d36cc0 10e8c07d c0e7dcaa 107eb080) |
| 16:30:13 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: (or anyone else) does the MAS PCM playback code work on the Player? |
| 16:31:32 | Bg3r | linuxstb: according to this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginWavplay - no |
| 16:32:08 | barrywardell | lorijho: try making the H10.mi4 manually: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port#Running_Custom_Code |
| 16:32:33 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: yes, of course. But how should the screen flip be done? By menu or button assignment? |
| 16:32:40 | barrywardell | but use H10.mi4 for the final filename, and default instead of 20gc_eng |
| 16:32:54 | lorijho | barrywardell: ok |
| 16:32:54 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: definitely button |
| 16:33:39 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: god knows which ones on the x5 but we'll figure something out |
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| 16:34:54 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: Any ideas? Buttons run scarce! Only thing left on fmradio was long record for x5 I think and you've got everything used up for the record screen. |
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| 16:37:06 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: how about a combi? Power and record? |
| 16:37:11 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: I need enough there to at least get the radio to record to make sure the framework functions. |
| 16:37:34 | barrywardell | lorijho: I think I just found the problem |
| 16:37:46 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: Power+record would be a strain on x5 since the power switch is a slide switch. *ouch* |
| 16:38:00 | barrywardell | lorijho: when doing the build part, use -2 instead of -3 |
| 16:38:34 | barrywardell | lorijho: you probably also don't need to do the sign part |
| 16:38:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: No, the pcm codec requires a MASF core. The player has a MASD core only (MAS3507D) |
| 16:39:18 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: oh yeah...hmmm you cant combi any others, so maybe a menu option would be the only way...or both if there are enough buttons |
| 16:39:27 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: easy ones for x5: rec+play, rec+select <== I like that one |
| 16:39:28 | lorijho | barrywardell: I'll try that |
| 16:39:58 | Mmmm | jhM you can only combi with the on button unfortunately! :( |
| 16:40:33 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: You'll pull tendons with that on x5 :) |
| 16:40:33 | amiconn | tucoz: The ON button has always been called ON, in the code as well as in the manual |
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| 16:42:19 | tucoz | amiconn, not here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-recorder/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-160003.1 |
| 16:42:42 | tucoz | note that that image is from the 2.4 manual |
| 16:43:20 | amiconn | tucoz: Hmm, note that this is an fm/v2. |
| 16:43:27 | tucoz | yes. I know |
| 16:43:35 | * | amiconn presumes v1 when someone just says 'Recorder' |
| 16:43:51 | tucoz | But I do not think there were a screenshot of the v1 in that manual |
| 16:43:55 | amiconn | The fm/v2 has alternate texts written next to the ON and OFF buttons |
| 16:44:14 | amiconn | I'd say these buttons should only be called ON and OFF |
| 16:44:22 | tucoz | Anyway. We can call the buttons On and Off for the v1, and On/Menu Off/Stop for the v2/fm? |
| 16:44:23 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: I can do a menu item to get it going. |
| 16:44:48 | tucoz | or what do you think? |
| 16:44:56 | amiconn | tucoz: That would be possible, but somewhat misleading. Rockbox never uses ON for menus. F1 is our menu button |
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| 16:45:19 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: yeah, do that for starters |
| 16:45:21 | tucoz | aha |
| 16:45:29 | tucoz | good point |
| 16:46:05 | lorijho | barrywardell: The same "system file missing" error appears |
| 16:46:23 | lorijho | barrywardell: mi4code sign says "Nothing to do" btw |
| 16:46:57 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: If you entered recording from FM, then it should exit to FM, no? |
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| 16:47:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Imho it's more convenient to record directly from the radio screen instead of switching to the recording screen first |
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| 16:48:19 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: I thought that it woukd be best if you only entered the FM screen if you selected the menu item |
| 16:48:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: But you don't get all the control you get with the recording screen. We want a way to be able use all recording features for FM. |
| 16:48:56 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: so exiting rec screen should be same as it is now |
| 16:49:02 | amiconn | How would you handle prerecording then? |
| 16:50:08 | amiconn | swcodec targets don't support it yet, but on the archoses with radio the recording hardware is initialised, and if prerecording is enabled you can record your favourite song even if it already started |
| 16:50:18 | amiconn | (up to 30 seconds backbuffer) |
| 16:50:39 | barrywardell | lorijho: hmmm. what's the md5sum of you're built H10.mi4? |
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| 16:50:46 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: Otherwise, selecting FM from just the rec screen should start the radio but not leave it going when you leave it. |
| 16:51:34 | Mmmm | amiconn: so you'd have to initialise the recording in radio for software too, just all the recording controls are in the recording screen |
| 16:51:50 | amiconn | Why would you need the recording controls? |
| 16:52:02 | Mmmm | to change gain etc |
| 16:52:11 | amiconn | The input is fixed (line) and the level is also (nearly) fixed |
| 16:52:31 | Mmmm | not on sw targets! |
| 16:52:41 | amiconn | I mean for radio |
| 16:53:08 | amiconn | The radio is hooked up to the line input of the adc (with a mux), and the level can be fixed for radio |
| 16:53:09 | lorijho | barrywardell: 2627235954e9e87b6309166e0a428ba3 H10.unsigned.mi4 |
| 16:53:10 | jhMikeS | I'm just saying, lets get it started off well. We'd have to be buffering radio all the time just in case someone wants to prerecord, right? |
| 16:53:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That's why prerecording is an option |
| 16:53:44 | amiconn | The recording settings can be reached from the radio screen menu |
| 16:53:56 | barrywardell | lorijho: that's strange. It's different than one I built here |
| 16:54:02 | amiconn | (w/o showing the input setting) |
| 16:54:32 | lorijho | barrywardell: do you mean the one built by make or the manually built one ? |
| 16:54:45 | barrywardell | lorijho: manually built |
| 16:54:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Ok...I hadn't yet gone into detail yet. Yes...i know they can, but it's not yet available on the x5. I think we're not going to do recording directly from the FM radio screen for SWCODEC though. |
| 16:55:39 | lorijho | barrywardell: mi4code build -2 bootloader.bin bootloader.mi4 |
| 16:55:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: If you want to record...just flip it over (easy access menu item for now) to recording screen and record. |
| 16:55:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How do you plan to handle prerecording then? |
| 16:56:07 | lorijho | barrywardell: mi4code encrypt bootloader.mi4 H10.unsigned.mi4 default |
| 16:56:14 | amiconn | Imho prerecording is more useful for fm than for anything else |
| 16:56:30 | lorijho | barrywardell: 2627235954e9e87b6309166e0a428ba3 H10.unsigned.mi4 |
| 16:56:56 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I suppose if that's enabled, we'll just have recording initialized in the bg but not visibly. |
| 16:57:10 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 16:57:12 | barrywardell | lorijho: yes, I did exactly the same but get a different md5sum. strange |
| 16:57:38 | barrywardell | lorijho: when you copy H10.unsigned.mi4 to your player, did you make sure to name it H10.mi4? |
| 16:57:40 | lorijho | barrywardell: d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e H10.signed.mi4 |
| 16:58:06 | jhMikeS | I just want to see it record a frickin' bit of radio first! =:) |
| 16:58:37 | barrywardell | lorijho: yes, I get that for the signed one |
| 16:59:21 | barrywardell | lorijho: as a quick test, can you decrypt the original H10.mi4, then encrypt it again and see if it works on your player? |
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| 17:01:06 | lorijho | barrywardell: H10.signed.mi4 is 0 bytes !! |
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| 17:01:33 | Mikachu | it's useful to know the md5sum for \0 :) |
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| 17:02:06 | barrywardell | lorijho: ah |
| 17:02:16 | lorijho | barrywardell: scambled screen with "Hello World" on the first line :))) |
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| 17:02:20 | lorijho | barrywardell: it worked |
| 17:02:20 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: if you want to leave the radio on couldnt you first flick to the radio screen and then exit that? |
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| 17:03:06 | qwm | a bioluminescent penis would be cool to have. |
| 17:03:20 | barrywardell | lorijho: great. what did you do differently? |
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| 17:04:11 | lorijho | I used the unsigned mi4 this time, it's rather obvious that a 0 byte firmware isn't really a firmware :) |
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| 17:04:36 | lorijho | barrywardell: I used the unsigned mi4 this time, it's rather obvious that a 0 byte firmware isn't really a firmware :) |
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| 17:05:41 | lorijho | barrywardell: I used the unsigned mi4 this time, it's rather obvious that a 0 byte firmware isn't really a firmware :) |
| 17:05:41 | * | barrywardell curses backspace==go back in webbrowser(cgi:irc) |
| 17:05:44 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: That's one way I though about...just leave the radio on and go to the rec. But that makes it complicated to get the rec from the radio. |
| 17:06:19 | barrywardell | lorijho: ah, ok that makes sense. I'll fix up the code in cvs now |
| 17:06:21 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: that's how it works on the iriver at the moment |
| 17:06:26 | lorijho | barrywardell: great |
| 17:06:39 | barrywardell | it's great that the lcd code works just as well on the 5gb |
| 17:07:04 | lorijho | barrywardell: it sure is ! |
| 17:07:49 | barrywardell | and to have another person working on H10 and Rockbox! |
| 17:07:56 | Bagder | nice work guys |
| 17:09:21 | lorijho | barrywardell: you're the man! I just hope I can contribute as much as my knowledge allows me to |
| 17:11:59 | lorijho | barrywardell: I gotta run. I'll be back later |
| 17:12:06 | lorijho | Bagder: cu |
| 17:12:18 | barrywardell | Bagder: I'm not very good with shell scripts. Can you update mkmi4.sh to use -2 in the build phase and not do signing when building for |
| 17:12:23 | barrywardell | 5GB H10? |
| 17:12:37 | barrywardell | bye lorijho. see you later |
| 17:12:46 | Bagder | barrywardell: sure |
| 17:13:39 | barrywardell | Bagder: and add || defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB) to bootloader/SOURCES line 7 for the same CVS commit? |
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| 17:14:19 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: ok...so, what, you set line in as the source for fm recording while radio is on? Probably works on x5 too already then. It needs an "FM Radio" source to be right which I've added. I think I can create a sensible scheme now. |
| 17:14:52 | Mmmm | jhMikeS: that's right... |
| 17:15:24 | Mmmm | but make sure that 'line in' doesnt work anymore too! |
| 17:15:30 | Bagder | barrywardell: done |
| 17:16:01 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: Selecting the source will set the right muxes for that source now. |
| 17:18:19 | barrywardell | thanks Bagder |
| 17:18:42 | Bagder | barrywardell: I'll let you do the testing of that ;-) |
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| 17:20:06 | XavierGr | The new forum layout is sweet! |
| 17:23:23 | dan_a | The next stage towards dual-core working is just about ready for committing - I just need to check that it actually works. |
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| 17:24:43 | jhMikeS | I've got it basically worked out in my head now. Thanks. |
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| 17:28:02 | jhMikeS | In fact a quick access to the record screen should work the same as the long way. |
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| 17:30:51 | markun | daurn|laptop: how's it going with your port? |
| 17:30:51 | dan_a | Does anybody know which ports don't have HAVE_LCD_BITMAP defined? |
| 17:31:13 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Maybe none soon... Just the Archos Player at the moment. |
| 17:32:15 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Will your next commit make it possible for me to start a video decoding thread on the COP? |
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| 17:32:38 | * | jhMikeS has to resync the record stuff to CVS almost everyday B-/, replay gain, spdif, etc. |
| 17:33:18 | * | jhMikeS meant AGC not replay gain |
| 17:35:33 | dan_a | linuxstb_: No, not yet. It will make it possible for you to use the API for dual-core threads though, so you can do the coding for dual-core and as soon as it is properly supported your code will magically start working |
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| 17:36:47 | dan_a | Though I'm hoping to get more useful work done this evening as well |
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| 18:45:25 | tucoz | freqmod, do you want your nick or your real name along with the commits? |
| 18:47:10 | tucoz | ah. you are already in the credits list :) then I guess it doesn't matter |
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| 19:12:46 | Aggort | HELP lol |
| 19:13:04 | Aggort | I am using Rockbox on nano and keep receiving a DIRBuffer full error |
| 19:13:15 | Aggort | only 400 files will show up |
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| 19:14:57 | linuxstb_ | Aggort: Increase the "Max files in Dir Browser" setting... |
| 19:15:18 | Aggort | I jsut read that ina froums post |
| 19:15:28 | Aggort | but it said something about less room |
| 19:15:32 | Aggort | and less battery life? |
| 19:15:59 | Aggort | Anyway, I think it's ok because I am going to divide my music up by artist |
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| 19:29:32 | scottder | Wow $250 for the 8GB Sandisk player...nice... |
| 19:29:41 | scottder | so, how far along is rockbox for that thing :) |
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| 19:36:05 | * | dan_a does a commit and watches the build table like a hawk |
| 19:36:39 | lorijho | barrywardell: I checked the building of the bootloader here, make now builds a correct firmware for 5gb |
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| 19:38:12 | barrywardell | lorijho: great, is that with the changes in cvs Bagder did? |
| 19:38:22 | lorijho | yep |
| 19:41:58 | barrywardell | hmm. I wonder what the next step should be... |
| 19:42:12 | lorijho | barrywardell: figuring out the slider button? |
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| 19:43:21 | barrywardell | yes, that would be good to work on |
| 19:43:35 | barrywardell | there's a chance it could work similarly to the ipod's |
| 19:43:51 | barrywardell | everything else in the H10 seems similar to the ipod |
| 19:44:24 | barrywardell | the ipod code is in firmware/drivers/button.c |
| 19:44:40 | lorijho | barrywardell: are you on jabber/icq or similar ?? |
| 19:45:19 | barrywardell | lorijho: msn and google talk |
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| 19:45:52 | lorijho | barrywardell: pm me your google talk |
| 19:46:30 | barrywardell | how do I do a pm? |
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| 19:47:48 | mirak | I am looking for a IRC client who doesn't crash |
| 19:47:58 | Arathis | midkay: which OS? |
| 19:48:00 | mirak | oups sorry |
| 19:48:07 | mirak | wrong channel |
| 19:48:20 | lorijho | barrywardell: with "/msg lorijho message" |
| 19:48:20 | Arathis | wrong user xD |
| 19:48:53 | mirak | Arathis: for linux |
| 19:49:01 | mirak | xchat crashes a lot |
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| 19:53:52 | mirak | I use it when I in SOS mode without X who can't run :D |
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| 19:54:22 | markun | mirak: but you don't like it in xterm? |
| 19:54:42 | mirak | I never used it in xterm I think |
| 19:54:55 | lorijho | barrywardell: pm doesn't seem to work. My jabber account is lorijho@jabber.org . You can talk to jabber with google talk. |
| 19:55:17 | mirak | markun: I prefer use gui most of the time |
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| 19:55:40 | Davide-NYC | A general THANKS to eveytone in here, I just compiled my first build sans games by editing the apps/plugins/SOURCES and apps/plugins/SUBDIRS files. Thanks :-) |
| 19:56:02 | Davide-NYC | What is the best way to be rid of unnecessary WPSes? |
| 19:57:00 | Davide-NYC | (what I deem to be unnecessary) |
| 19:57:07 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
| 19:57:21 | bluebrother | tucoz, I had the idea of replacing the player images with drawn ones. What do you think about that? |
| 19:57:30 | dpassen2 | Wouldn't it suffice to delete them from the /wps and /themes folders after its built? |
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| 20:00:50 | bluebrother | I was thinking of something a bit like in the iriver manual. We could draw it with inkscape or similar and convert it to png for the manual, like the logo |
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| 20:02:48 | Davide-NYC | dpassen: I guess, but why build them? |
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| 20:09:12 | preglow | doesn't seem like the player removal message sparked the biggest outrage thus far seen |
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| 20:09:41 | pixelma | bluebrother: some people are already working on it ;) |
| 20:09:45 | dan_a | Is there anyone around who knows their way around the button handling code? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5985.0 |
| 20:09:50 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: (if you read the logs) - just edit wps/WPSLIST and delete the WPSes you don't want. |
| 20:10:35 | bluebrother | pixelma, nice to hear ;-) |
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| 20:34:21 | mirak | linuxstb: at page 36 of the mpeg2 paper about optimising, the coef A and E are the same, cos(pi/4) |
| 20:34:53 | mirak | my guess would be it's a sinus instead of a cosinus |
| 20:36:30 | linuxstb | You mean it's a mistake in the paper? |
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| 20:40:19 | dan_a | Has anyone tried latest CVS yet? I'd just like to be reassured that it's working on platforms other than 3G iPod before I go out for a little bit |
| 20:41:00 | mirak | linuxstb: yes |
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| 20:41:15 | mirak | linuxstb: there would be no reason to coefs are the same |
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| 20:46:17 | mirak | and you would not to a cycle |
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| 20:46:34 | mirak | and you would not do a cycle on the circle |
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| 20:48:30 | pi | see you tomorow |
| 20:48:45 | pi | woops sorry wrong window |
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| 21:00:04 | mirak | linuxstb: hum sinus or cosinus of pi/4 gives the same result anyway ... |
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| 21:04:01 | linuxstb | mirak: I'm not an idct person... |
| 21:04:06 | jhMikeS | pcm_rec_screen in pcm_recording.c is obsolete isn't it? |
| 21:04:31 | mirak | that's just highschol math |
| 21:04:58 | mirak | I mean the matrix stuff and trigometry |
| 21:05:04 | mirak | trigonometry |
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| 21:06:38 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: grep is telling me that... |
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| 21:08:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: pcm_recording.c isn't in apps/SOURCES, so it's not even being compiled any more. |
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| 21:15:16 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: why's is still there then? :-P |
| 21:17:50 | linuxstb | No-one did "cvs remove". Feel free :) |
| 21:18:18 | linuxstb | (it's always accessible in CVS anyway - it's never actually removed) |
| 21:19:39 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: you're just removing from the Entries file then? |
| 21:21:24 | Mikachu | it will be removed from clients on cvs update |
| 21:21:26 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how it works internally, but I know it's still in the repository somewhere, just excluded from local checkouts. |
| 21:21:35 | Mikachu | so you could end up saving hundreds of megabytes overall |
| 21:22:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It's gone - I've just removed it. |
| 21:23:49 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: ok, thanks then...I would've had to do another checkout to do that. |
| 21:24:11 | * | Mikachu likes that you can tabcomplete cvs remove in zsh |
| 21:24:14 | jhMikeS | I think...still green with CVS |
| 21:24:49 | mirak | linuxstb: http://www.egr.msu.edu/waves/people/Ali_files/DCT_TR802.pdf that one is nice, there is no code but that explains well |
| 21:24:55 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: That gets the files in the repository too? |
| 21:24:56 | mirak | jhMikeS: I think you would like it |
| 21:25:12 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: yeah, you can't do that in most shells since cvs requires you to remove the files locally first |
| 21:25:13 | jhMikeS | mirak: I'm gonna have a peek now. |
| 21:25:33 | Mikachu | when you cvs commit <tab> it only lists changed files etc |
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| 21:35:56 | COmputoman | do you guys ever think rockbox flac playback will improve? |
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| 21:39:17 | preglow | improve? |
| 21:39:19 | preglow | what's wrong with it? |
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| 21:40:28 | sharpe | I love it how in the Apple Installation forum, right after the "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" thread there are four threads follow by the same person completely that completely aren't related to installation... :) |
| 21:41:42 | sharpe | wow. that could've sounded better. |
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| 21:42:47 | dan_a | sharpe: Where do tagcache related posts go? Is it UI? |
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| 21:43:44 | sharpe | dan_a: Ah... Maybe... |
| 21:43:54 | * | freqmod does not like big tagcaches in ram, my 36000 songs tagcache wouldn't work, worked when i deleted all my sid files |
| 21:44:39 | preglow | haha |
| 21:44:40 | preglow | go figure |
| 21:45:41 | sharpe | dan_a: Either that, or General Discussion I would say. |
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| 21:46:30 | dan_a | sharpe: I moved it to UI |
| 21:47:14 | sharpe | Now just to decide where to move the album art one... |
| 21:50:00 | mirak | my calculator is missing me |
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| 21:50:37 | sharpe | mirak: Well, you can discuss porting rockbox to calculators, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5900.0 :D |
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| 21:51:06 | mirak | I just want to verify some matrix computation |
| 21:51:15 | mirak | do you know some programm on linux to do that ? |
| 21:51:24 | sharpe | I don't use linux... |
| 21:51:33 | Mikachu | mirak: ocatve |
| 21:51:35 | Mikachu | octave |
| 21:52:13 | COmputoman | how often do you guys update your rockbox? |
| 21:52:16 | COmputoman | every day ? |
| 21:52:29 | sharpe | whenever i get around to running cygwin. |
| 21:52:53 | dan_a | Sometimes every 10 minutes |
| 21:53:20 | mirak | Mikachu: I forgot matlab, but I remove it last year ... |
| 21:53:22 | sharpe | haha, "every sixty seconds, why?" |
| 21:53:55 | Mikachu | mirak: octave is sort of an open source clone of matlab |
| 21:54:02 | Mikachu | some m files even run unmodified |
| 21:54:29 | mirak | cool |
| 21:55:37 | bluebrother | there is a "brain-dead" or so option in octave |
| 21:55:55 | bluebrother | which tells octave to mimic the behaviour of matlab as close as possible |
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| 22:02:03 | L | Hello everyone |
| 22:02:13 | sharpe | Hi. |
| 22:05:14 | mirak | Mikachu: no gui :-/ |
| 22:05:29 | Mikachu | i always use matlab -nojava :) |
| 22:06:42 | mirak | maybe I still have the cd ... |
| 22:06:52 | mirak | I have a bigger hard drive now :D |
| 22:08:15 | mirak | hu I found my calculator in some box |
| 22:08:19 | mirak | :D |
| 22:08:43 | mirak | damn, no battery |
| 22:08:51 | Mikachu | i wonder if mine can do matrices |
| 22:09:10 | mirak | that's a TI-82 |
| 22:09:19 | mirak | that's ten years old |
| 22:09:25 | Mikachu | i have a casio |
| 22:09:27 | mirak | at least mine |
| 22:09:27 | * | Mikachu checks |
| 22:09:53 | linuxstb | dan_a: I would say tagcache discussion belongs in "Audio Playback and Playlists" |
| 22:10:04 | Mikachu | cool, it can |
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| 22:11:24 | linuxstb | sharpe: I think the Apple forum will just be full of topics called "MOVED: ..." |
| 22:11:43 | sharpe | linuxstb: From the looks of it, yeah... |
| 22:12:56 | mirak | found matlab somewhere, that's for the good cause ... |
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| 22:14:04 | pixelma | tucoz, bluebrother: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/FmRecorder_colours.svg |
| 22:15:03 | bluebrother | pixelma, really nice! |
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| 22:15:39 | Mikachu | pixelma: you're amiconn's sister? |
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| 22:16:31 | pixelma | yes |
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| 22:17:01 | Mikachu | heh, you get the same color in my irc client |
| 22:19:48 | lowlight | Oooooh...scaled icons: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/dump_0006.bmp |
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| 22:20:20 | sharpe | lowlight: :D |
| 22:20:36 | linuxstb | lowlight: Nice... How? |
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| 22:21:12 | lowlight | it's in the font (a unicode character) |
| 22:21:25 | sharpe | Aww... |
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| 22:21:59 | L | Ah so the Apple forums is just going to stay like there without any distinction to players? |
| 22:22:18 | sharpe | L: Yep. |
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| 22:23:03 | Mikachu | you can use these for chess :) ♔♕♖♗♘♙♚♛♜â™â™žâ™Ÿ |
| 22:23:22 | sharpe | Rectangles! Yay! |
| 22:23:29 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 22:23:44 | linuxstb | Not just rectangles, rectangles with numbers in... |
| 22:23:54 | L | Ah tad confusing and I bet the moderators will cry having to move the many topics |
| 22:24:00 | Mikachu | i have them in dejavu sans |
| 22:24:21 | sharpe | :) |
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| 22:24:39 | sharpe | L: Well, it's not just the moderators moving posts. |
| 22:24:47 | linuxstb | L: Why confusing? Rockbox aims to be the same everywhere, which is why there are no more player-specific forums. |
| 22:25:22 | preglow | COmputoman: what's wrong with flac? |
| 22:25:24 | L | Oh yeah I get that. I'm just too used to the previous arrangement heh |
| 22:25:44 | linuxstb | preglow: Seeking... |
| 22:25:50 | preglow | riiiight |
| 22:26:02 | mirak | Mikachu: thanks, I start to remember how to use matlab on command line |
| 22:26:09 | mirak | octave is fine |
| 22:26:16 | preglow | octave works for most stuff |
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| 22:33:18 | mirak | damn the array indexes start at 1 |
| 22:33:19 | mirak | lol |
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| 22:34:44 | mirak | preglow: do you know if there is a way to load in the environment things created in a file |
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| 22:35:13 | mirak | create a function in a file, and create some matrix. I am wondering if I can toy with them on the command line |
| 22:36:29 | preglow | well, there's the load() function... |
| 22:36:57 | mirak | hum I think that's for raw data |
| 22:37:04 | mirak | from file, I will dig that |
| 22:40:02 | mirak | hum in fact I just have to do a copy paste to octave command line |
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| 22:41:06 | nuxator | hi |
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| 22:43:34 | mirak | Mikachu: hum do you remember how to transpose a matrix ? |
| 22:43:43 | Mikachu | mirak: how? |
| 22:43:48 | nuxator | hi, i've got a big problem with last cvs build. On my h140 whenever i use the remote, rockbox hangs. |
| 22:44:02 | nuxator | Anyone have the same prob or it's only me? |
| 22:44:05 | Mikachu | mirak: a hermitian transpose is ', a normal transpose is .' |
| 22:44:07 | Mikachu | mirak: iirc |
| 22:44:10 | mirak | Mikachu: transform a row matrix to a line matrix |
| 22:44:16 | Mikachu | mirak: if you don't have imaginary numbers it doesn't matter |
| 22:44:19 | mirak | column |
| 22:44:33 | Mikachu | mirak: yeah well that applies to all the sorts of transposes i had in mind :) |
| 22:44:39 | mirak | yes that's it |
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| 22:46:37 | preglow | if you're using just real numbers, ' will transpose |
| 22:46:45 | Mikachu | yeah that is what i said |
| 22:46:49 | preglow | easier to write than .' if you never use complex numbers |
| 22:46:50 | Mikachu | but in more words |
| 22:47:24 | preglow | octave is surprisingly nice |
| 22:47:36 | preglow | especially with octave-forge |
| 22:47:47 | Mikachu | i didn't get gnuplot to produce nice graphs but i didn't really try |
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| 22:47:55 | Mikachu | ie they looked like something qwm might say |
| 22:47:57 | preglow | ahh, yes, there's that |
| 22:48:12 | preglow | gnuplot isn't very integrated with octave |
| 22:48:16 | preglow | like the plotter in matlab is |
| 22:48:17 | dan_a | nuxator: Does this only happen with the very latest build? If not, what is the first build it happens with? |
| 22:49:03 | nuxator | anyone have an h1x0 here? |
| 22:49:25 | A_M | h100 here |
| 22:49:48 | mirak | Mikachu: how do you invert a matrix ? I mean change the order, not compute |
| 22:50:03 | Mikachu | that made me confused |
| 22:50:10 | Mikachu | not A^-1 ? |
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| 22:50:28 | mirak | I mean just reverse |
| 22:50:29 | nuxator | i didn't try all builds |
| 22:50:41 | mirak | [1 2 3 4 ] in [4 3 2 1] |
| 22:50:46 | Mikachu | oh hm |
| 22:50:51 | Mikachu | i did that some time |
| 22:50:57 | Mikachu | there is one for up/down and one for left/right |
| 22:51:01 | Mikachu | mirrorud perhaps |
| 22:51:14 | Mikachu | ah no |
| 22:51:17 | Mikachu | flipud and fliplr |
| 22:51:17 | nuxator | I just updated tonight because i hoped the remote can't browse upfolder was fixed and now remote just crash my player |
| 22:52:05 | A_M | nuxator: same thing happened for me, I thought maybe my remote was broken again (has happened before) but I guess that may not be it |
| 22:52:05 | nuxator | when i update i allways use bleeding edge build |
| 22:52:14 | Mikachu | mirak: you saw? |
| 22:52:31 | mirak | ok |
| 22:54:58 | nuxator | so i'm not alone... Maybe i'll make a bug reporte if i have tomarow |
| 22:55:23 | nuxator | if i have time |
| 22:55:34 | mirak | linuxstb: damn the papere is erroneous |
| 22:55:52 | mirak | linuxstb: the chen decomposition do the same on both lines |
| 22:56:02 | nuxator | thanks all and goo night (it neas 23h00 in france) |
| 22:56:27 | mirak | linuxstb: ah no I didn't saw there was a difference ... (ashamed) |
| 22:56:50 | linuxstb | mirak: Happy I could help... |
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| 22:57:19 | tucoz | bluebrother, around? |
| 22:57:22 | mirak | linuxstb: that's your aura |
| 22:57:25 | A_M | Is there any particular reason some files are kept in CVS even though they're no longer used? |
| 22:57:27 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes. |
| 22:57:33 | dan_a | A_M: Could you check the daily build and see if that has the same problem? |
| 22:57:52 | tucoz | bluebrother, you said you had an idea to remove the player images with the draw ones? |
| 22:58:16 | bluebrother | yes, like the one pixelma posted some time later. |
| 22:58:38 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. That was exactly my idea as well. I have started to make them fit in the manual |
| 22:58:45 | A_M | dan_a: sure I'll give it a try |
| 22:59:08 | linuxstb | A_M: For example? Some unused files are there for a reason, some are probably just forgotten. |
| 22:59:47 | A_M | gui/list.c and gui/list.h are afaik no longer used since aug 15 |
| 22:59:48 | bluebrother | tucoz, fit what to the manual? The scans? |
| 22:59:55 | tucoz | no, the .svg ones |
| 22:59:59 | A_M | err, make that select.ch |
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| 23:00:11 | tucoz | bluebrother, with key assignments in a consistent way aso |
| 23:00:26 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Are there a lot already drawn? |
| 23:00:31 | tucoz | yes, lots |
| 23:00:51 | bluebrother | cool. Wasn't aware this idea was already floating around. |
| 23:00:53 | tucoz | freqmod have made images of the ipods and the irivers |
| 23:01:45 | bluebrother | good I didn't start playing around with the h100 today ;-) |
| 23:02:06 | tucoz | bluebrother, I made a rough scetch earlier this weekend, but after that some artists (freqmod, pixelma) showed up with their skills. |
| 23:02:19 | A_M | dan_a: daily build seems to work |
| 23:03:55 | linuxstb | A_M: I guess they're in the forgotten category. Although maybe it's too soon to remove them. |
| 23:03:58 | tucoz | bluebrother, I used a palatino font for the key assignments. I can show you one if you like |
| 23:04:17 | bluebrother | sure :) |
| 23:04:33 | Bagder | and now the cvs table grows even more... |
| 23:04:42 | bluebrother | are you converting them to png for the inclusion? |
| 23:04:49 | tucoz | hmm. How do I dcc a file? |
| 23:04:57 | Bagder | there |
| 23:05:07 | Bagder | markun: a few yellows to work on we see |
| 23:05:09 | tucoz | bluebrother, that is one of the things I haven't done yet |
| 23:05:49 | markun | Bagder: yes, I noticed |
| 23:05:53 | markun | thanks again |
| 23:06:01 | Bagder | my pleasure! |
| 23:06:09 | bluebrother | I was looking around a bit on how to convert them best ... found hints that inkscape could be used for command line conversion. |
| 23:06:10 | Bagder | 49 frigging builds |
| 23:06:29 | tucoz | bluebrother, look at this. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/player-front.pdf |
| 23:06:39 | * | linuxstb only has space for about 7 more builds on his monitor... |
| 23:06:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: You played the Gigabeat 'tween the Recorder and V2 Recorder. |
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| 23:06:53 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:07:01 | tucoz | And I want to commit the original .svg along with the .pdf and a .png |
| 23:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | V2 looks lonely over there, stuck with all the strange new players. |
| 23:07:10 | Bagder | yeah, the sort order is a big messy |
| 23:07:15 | Bagder | a bit |
| 23:07:58 | linuxstb | Still, a very impressive list of targets... |
| 23:07:59 | Rudy4Pez | Hrmmm... Did Senab fall off of the planet? |
| 23:08:11 | bluebrother | tucoz, sounds nice. But IMO the text is a bit far away from the device ... |
| 23:08:25 | tucoz | bluebrother, it looks nice in the manual (imo) |
| 23:08:49 | Bagder | thing is, I don't want to fix the sort order since that would mean changing build names and changing build names will appear as new builds |
| 23:08:57 | bluebrother | haven't seen it in the manual, but if it looks fine I don't see any problems. |
| 23:08:59 | tucoz | bluebrother, and I think it looks best if we do not overlay the text on top of the player images themselves |
| 23:09:11 | bluebrother | yeah. |
| 23:09:43 | tucoz | That is why I used that approach |
| 23:09:56 | bluebrother | the plain image is a bit ... ripped off to get the whole picture ;-) |
| 23:10:17 | bluebrother | I'm really looking forward to get new nice player pictures |
| 23:10:45 | mirak | Mikachu: how do you do the scalar product of two vectors ?? |
| 23:10:51 | Mikachu | mirak: .* |
| 23:10:53 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:11:18 | Mikachu | if you have a=[1 2]; b=[2 3]; you do c=a.*b' |
| 23:11:23 | tucoz | hmm. I can commit the player and the recorder. Should I just keep the old png for now for the html version? |
| 23:11:33 | mirak | Mikachu: thanks |
| 23:11:43 | tucoz | and the ipodvideo as well. |
| 23:11:46 | bluebrother | if we have a png of the new version we can use that for the html manual. |
| 23:12:05 | tucoz | yes. do you have an idea how to? imagemagick somehow? |
| 23:12:16 | bluebrother | from the pdf? |
| 23:12:26 | tucoz | yes, or the .svg |
| 23:12:41 | * | tucoz starts inkscape |
| 23:13:35 | bluebrother | inkscape -e <filename> exports to png |
| 23:13:45 | tucoz | oh |
| 23:14:26 | bluebrother | tried on the svg pixelma posted earlier. Looks good. |
| 23:14:33 | tucoz | size as well? |
| 23:14:49 | Mikachu | why not use svg in html? :) |
| 23:15:00 | Mikachu | you can write some javascript to animate it too |
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| 23:15:47 | A_M | bluebrother: you've got a h120 right? have you experienced crashes with the latest CVS source when using the remote same as me and nuxator? |
| 23:15:49 | bluebrother | Mikachu, sure. But first we need to figure out how we can get this work with htlatex |
| 23:16:08 | bluebrother | A_M, I rarely use the remote. But I can try. |
| 23:16:12 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 23:16:40 | OnkelJonas | hi... I just had my iriver h120 stolen :-( when I go shopping for a new player, which rockbox compatible player would you people recommend? |
| 23:17:45 | A_M | bluebrother: particularly the top left nav/menu scroller (don't use remote much either so not sure what its function is in rockbox) caused it to freeze both times I tried it |
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| 23:18:25 | pixelma | tucoz: I'd like to do the Ondio now and improve freqmod's iriver drawings... just need some decent scans as basis |
| 23:18:37 | tucoz | pixelma, I have decent scans |
| 23:18:54 | tucoz | but not of the ondios |
| 23:19:19 | pixelma | :( I have an Ondio but no scanner |
| 23:19:52 | pixelma | tucoz: can you send me the iriver ones somehow? |
| 23:19:53 | bluebrother | A_M, what function did you try? File browser? Menu? |
| 23:19:57 | tucoz | pixelma, hold on |
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| 23:21:29 | tucoz | pixelma, http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/h140front_fixed.png |
| 23:22:18 | tucoz | pixelma, and I think you can use this one for the h340 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/H340.jpg |
| 23:22:33 | A_M | bluebrother: I think I was in filebrowser both times, essentially the moment I did anything with the top left scroll wheel it froze |
| 23:22:48 | preglow | Bagder: keep'em coming! i've still got a quarter of my screen unoccupied by builds |
| 23:22:59 | bluebrother | A_M, I just played a bit with the remote in the file browser and the menu. Still playing. |
| 23:23:03 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:23:04 | pixelma | tucoz: thanks :) |
| 23:23:27 | tucoz | Bagder, do you think the rockbox site can host scans of the various players? |
| 23:23:28 | A_M | I'll give it another try, just gotta rebuild latest source, tried it with daily build to see if that worked (which it did) |
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| 23:23:49 | Bagder | tucoz: sure |
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| 23:24:27 | tucoz | amiconn, is it ok with you if we put the scans up at the rockbox site? |
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| 23:27:56 | * | bluebrother found a nice magazine to latex. Unfortunately it's german only. |
| 23:28:22 | tucoz | bluebrother, I found the texbook at the ctan site |
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| 23:28:30 | tucoz | (in .tex format) |
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| 23:28:35 | bluebrother | really? cool. |
| 23:28:41 | tucoz | but it's possible to compile it with tex |
| 23:28:52 | tucoz | if you remove some stuff in the beginning, hehe. |
| 23:29:29 | tucoz | http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/knuth/tex/texbook.tex |
| 23:29:42 | tucoz | http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/texbook.html |
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| 23:31:52 | avf | Hi, anybody running rockbox on the ipod nano? |
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| 23:34:11 | bluebrother | hehe ... \loop\iftrue :) |
| 23:34:28 | A_M | bluebrother: yep, there it goes again. I try to scroll up in the file tree and it freezes |
| 23:35:30 | bluebrother | hmm. Which build did it first occur? Only today? |
| 23:35:47 | * | bluebrother runs cvs up |
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| 23:37:23 | A_M | happens only with latest updated CVS, daily build from ok seems to work |
| 23:39:18 | A_M | *ok=today *slaps forehead* |
| 23:39:47 | mirak | is there a way to know who did some coldfire asm imdct optimisations ? |
| 23:40:34 | Bagder | midkay: you mean in Rockbox source code? |
| 23:40:46 | Bagder | mirak even |
| 23:40:46 | bluebrother | damn, playback is still broken after usb disconnect on my device :( |
| 23:40:49 | markun | mirak: check the cvs logs |
| 23:40:50 | preglow | i did one |
| 23:40:52 | Bagder | darned tab completion |
| 23:40:56 | preglow | probably the only one |
| 23:40:56 | midkay | Bagder: how dare you. :) |
| 23:41:00 | linuxstb | mirak: Try "cvs annotate file.c" |
| 23:41:07 | mirak | ok |
| 23:41:11 | Bagder | uh-oh I woke midkay! |
| 23:41:15 | bluebrother | A_M, freeze. |
| 23:41:26 | bluebrother | like on the 2nd keypress on the remote. |
| 23:41:39 | * | bluebrother gets his paperclip |
| 23:41:39 | midkay | Bagder: grrrrrrrrr.... :) |
| 23:41:41 | preglow | doesn't help you much, though, all i did was write imdct36() out in stupid straight forward assembler |
| 23:42:08 | preglow | which i am to this date extremely annoyed at not being able to write a better version of |
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| 23:42:27 | mirak | eclipse with CDT allow to do it from gui, that's great. this plugin improved a lot, it was almost unusable some months ago |
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| 23:48:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do people (that are present, at least) feel about the concept of removing posts-based membergroups? |
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| 23:48:59 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: I've never seen any particular good coming out from that so sure, I'm fine with that |
| 23:49:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's kinda how I feel about it. |
| 23:49:15 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I never even noticed there were any... |
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| 23:49:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've noticed at least one person in the past who seemed to post semi-randomly just trying to get his count up to 500 and the name "Hero Member" so I almost feel they're harmful. |
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| 23:49:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of our most useful members have in the 100-200 range of posts. |
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| 23:50:05 | midkay | haha. hero member. |
| 23:50:21 | Mikachu | what happens to them when they hit 300? |
| 23:50:40 | Mikachu | + smiley |
| 23:50:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Somewhere about 120, they realize that helping everyone is impossible, and start only answering questions that actually require thought to resolve. |
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| 23:51:23 | midkay | i say toss them.. the badges are a similar concept, but a much better one since people are hand-picked and they can't be abused.. |
| 23:51:26 | | Part OnkelJonas |
| 23:51:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Meanwhile, others post "LOL" every other topic, and inflate their number. |
| 23:51:32 | midkay | haha. |
| 23:51:41 | midkay | *cough* BigMac *cough* |
| 23:51:51 | scorche | actually, he is referring to brandun_6 =) |
| 23:51:54 | Mikachu | can't you limit how few characters a post can contain or something? |
| 23:52:00 | midkay | "I personally like .ape. Keep ROCKing on!!!!!!" |
| 23:52:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually I'm referring several people. ;) |
| 23:52:05 | linuxstb | Or just delete pointless posts... |
| 23:52:18 | Mikachu | that requires you to read everything |
| 23:52:22 | * | Paul_The_Nerd does read everything |
| 23:52:35 | scorche | as do i...now |
| 23:52:41 | midkay | brandun_6.. haha. |
| 23:52:56 | midkay | scorche: now that you think you're all cool with your Expert status.. pfff.. |
| 23:52:56 | midkay | :) |
| 23:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, I'm gonna give the idea a couple days, to see if anyone comes up with some objections, and then I'm going to convert everyone to one group, "Member" and give them a very simple icon. |
| 23:53:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm thinking the R from the "Rockbox Logo" including clef. |
| 23:53:25 | scorche | midkay: that has nothign to do with that...now the forums are arranged in a way that makes it much easier... |
| 23:53:35 | midkay | scorche: suure... |
| 23:53:41 | scorche | kind of amusing how it is mainly the ipod owners that are the ones that post in the wrong topic.. |
| 23:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's more simply because there are more of them. |
| 23:54:17 | scorche | midkay: why should "expert status" have anything to do with the amount of topics i read? |
| 23:54:27 | markun | and maybe they are younger on average |
| 23:54:36 | midkay | scorche: because now you can respond all cool and stuff. |
| 23:54:36 | Mikachu | and maybe stupider too :P |
| 23:54:50 | Bagder | and maybe iriver newbies post those weird posts on misticriver instead ;-) |
| 23:55:04 | linuxstb | You haven't read www.ilounge.com.... |
| 23:55:12 | Bagder | correct, I have not ;-) |
| 23:55:17 | fatherfork | I agree that the younger crowd (more ignorant, as well) choose the iPod more. |
| 23:55:18 | scorche | midkay: i think you have me confused with someone else =) |
| 23:55:30 | linuxstb | Bagder: Don't be tempted. |
| 23:55:31 | midkay | scorche: haha. |
| 23:55:45 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:55:49 | Bagder | I promise! |
| 23:55:59 | * | Paul_The_Nerd still thinks there are too many people who think you're *supposed* to report bugs at MisticRiver |
| 23:56:37 | tucoz | goodnight |
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| 23:57:47 | bluebrother | reporting bugs at misticriver? |
| 23:58:32 | linuxstb | I've even read Rockbox bug reports on the ipodlinux forums... |
| 23:59:00 | rageahol | badger, thanks for all your great work on the h10 so far |
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