| 00:00:01 | amiconn | That dreaded TI thing? |
| 00:00:09 | Bagder | TMS320 based, yes |
| 00:00:29 | Bagder | but the rest is an arm9 |
| 00:01:27 | Bagder | and it could be a way to reach more tms320-based targets |
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| 00:08:51 | amiconn | Huh? lcd_roll() is implemented for X5, I really wonder why... |
| 00:09:14 | amiconn | Linus added it on Jul 31, 2006 (!!) |
| 00:10:05 | amiconn | lcd_roll() is officially gone for quite some time... We don't need it in the core, and it is too hardware specific |
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| 00:20:40 | Sacro | I04: I11Instr |
| 00:20:46 | Sacro | at 1000C000 |
| 00:23:13 | linuxstb | Sacro: Are you going to say anything more? What were you doing when that happened? |
| 00:24:00 | Sacro | oh, sorry, its when i try and play an mp3, its an iRiver H340 with latest cvs build |
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| 00:28:29 | Sacro | ill try it with last nightly build |
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| 00:33:32 | mirak | I can't find how to pull out data from a adress register ... |
| 00:37:52 | petur | did you map a variable on it correctly? |
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| 00:39:04 | petur | I mean, use the volatile keyword? |
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| 00:42:13 | preglow | lostlogic: didn't you make a patch for measuring codec speed? null output or something? |
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| 01:03:19 | Davide-NYC | Paul |
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| 01:05:20 | Davide-NYC | Anyone feel like tackling a bug? |
| 01:05:34 | Davide-NYC | (or a feature request, depending on howyou look at it?) |
| 01:05:44 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5869 |
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| 01:08:59 | mirak | hum |
| 01:09:02 | mirak | got a direct crash |
| 01:13:23 | mirak | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nBb1qa61.html |
| 01:13:35 | mirak | if anyone is motivated to test some assembly code ... |
| 01:13:59 | mirak | it crashes. I don't know how I could debug |
| 01:15:07 | mirak | the algorithm is the on in the "optimising embeded systems" pdf |
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| 01:16:03 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: |
| 01:16:26 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: the bug I just put up on flyspray is not for all targets. But many. |
| 01:16:31 | Davide-NYC | no matter? |
| 01:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: It's probably for all targets with a Recording Screen, so good enough |
| 01:16:56 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 01:17:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, there's no "A few" choice in the list. ;) |
| 01:17:43 | Davide-NYC | Radio buttons would be good for that |
| 01:20:47 | | Quit barrywardell () |
| 01:20:54 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: If you wanted to suggest that a single pixel gray line be drawn between the LCD and the RLCD in the Simulator, where would you post it? |
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| 01:23:05 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: Feel free to delete http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6030 |
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| 01:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: I'll leave it there, because for example, non-Developer programmers don't necessarily look at feature requests, so I think having it show up in the forums is also helpful. |
| 01:24:32 | Davide-NYC | what about my other question (see above) |
| 01:24:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: As for that line, that's a Simulator Feature Request, I'd say |
| 01:24:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is a section specifically for simulator-only things. :) |
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| 01:26:44 | Davide-NYC | on flyspray? in the forums? totally not seeing it |
| 01:26:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | On flyspray |
| 01:27:00 | Davide-NYC | found it (doh) |
| 01:28:04 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: there are a couple of things on flyspray pertaining to recording that should be close (IMO) |
| 01:28:33 | Davide-NYC | 5358 mark tracks while recording |
| 01:28:51 | Davide-NYC | 5732 reduce ticking while recording |
| 01:29:03 | Davide-NYC | me thinks those be done |
| 01:30:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | They are |
| 01:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're both closed and "Fixed" now. |
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| 01:34:17 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: btw - i saw your post on "badges - you may qualify".. |
| 01:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes? |
| 01:34:44 | midkay | i think that would be cool if it were extended to have a section about each badge there currently is.. and how you can qualify for one.. |
| 01:34:55 | midkay | like, including developer/expert.. |
| 01:35:04 | midkay | maybe mod and admin as well.. |
| 01:35:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was actually planning on unstickying that one in about a week, and replacing it with an explanatory one. |
| 01:35:41 | midkay | i see.. the week being lack of time to write the explanatory one, or..? |
| 01:35:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | The week to give this one time to get read. |
| 01:36:12 | midkay | couldn't you just keep the same information you have, and extend it to the other badges? |
| 01:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is the topic |
| 01:36:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I just titled it "Forum Badges" or something similar, people are less likely to read it expecting just explanation. |
| 01:36:52 | midkay | why not keep the current title then? |
| 01:36:58 | midkay | Forum Badges - You may qualify? |
| 01:37:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd rather separate the discussion / application post from the explanations. |
| 01:38:09 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 01:38:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe I'll combine the two. |
| 01:38:24 | midkay | that's what i'm suggesting. |
| 01:38:58 | midkay | have a section for each badge.. like for example, dev: "Developer Badge - indicates a Rockbox developer with commit access. To qualify for this badge, you must have CVS commit access." |
| 01:39:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seems fair enough |
| 01:39:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll update that post, probably sometime in the next 24 hours then. |
| 01:39:52 | midkay | "Artist badge - to qualify for this badge you must have created one completely original WPS or theme." etc etc.. maybe some more thorough descriptions/qualifications, but.. something like that. :) |
| 01:40:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 01:41:00 | scorche | and priviledges? or is that better kept behind closed doors? |
| 01:41:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that I'll not be public about the fact that Developers and Experts get bonus priveleges. |
| 01:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | privileges |
| 01:41:32 | midkay | they're a bonus :) |
| 01:41:48 | midkay | yeah, i bet if you mention that people will apply like crazy.. |
| 01:41:54 | scorche | haha |
| 01:41:55 | midkay | "i know a lot about rockbox. can i have an expert badge?!?!" |
| 01:42:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not a secret or anything, but I don't want people *trying* to get expert status or anything |
| 01:42:11 | scorche | except, expert and developer badges are not able to applied for |
| 01:42:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but people will still beg for Expert, I'm sure |
| 01:43:17 | scorche | haha...i wonder if there is a module for spam filtering in your PMs....you mgith need it then =P |
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| 01:44:31 | Davide-NYC | Anyone wanna take a stab at a tiny tiny feature request involving the simulator and a single pixel line? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5870 |
| 01:44:39 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
| 01:45:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is currently trying to get help fixing the "Sometimes replies start a new thread" issue we've developed recently |
| 01:45:25 | amiconn | Why don't you just use rockboxui −−background? |
| 01:45:50 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: any idea where that's coming from? |
| 01:46:18 | * | Soap bets somewhere between keyboard and chair. |
| 01:46:19 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: what is that? |
| 01:46:58 | amiconn | It shows the sim with a target image as background, with the lcd output places properly |
| 01:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Soap: There's really not a way to start a new topic that carries over the thread title, without retyping the whole title, so it's really likely it's an actual software bug of some sort |
| 01:47:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: No clue, but I'm approaching Simple Machines' support forums for help |
| 01:47:52 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: hm, gotcha.. |
| 01:47:57 | Soap | ok, I'm cynical. |
| 01:48:31 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: holy crap! That's cool. Where should I have looked to know about this? |
| 01:48:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Soap: In most cases I would be. But it's happened 3 or 4 times now, and seems likely to be more than just user stupidity. |
| 01:48:55 | * | Davide-NYC documentation probablt |
| 01:55:29 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: Please destroy this with extreme predjudice. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5870 |
| 01:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ta-dah |
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| 02:00:17 | Davide-NYC | tanx |
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| 02:05:14 | old45 | I just did my first daily build install on my H 120, is there a way to ID the new build on my player? Wanting to know if I did it properly. |
| 02:05:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know what you're asking. |
| 02:06:23 | old45 | does the daily build have an ID tag of some sort that I can view to see if it installed? |
| 02:06:50 | Mikachu | the date should be printed under the logo when booting |
| 02:06:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's also in the Rockbox Info thing in the Info menu, right? |
| 02:07:03 | old45 | OKO I will check |
| 02:07:07 | scorche | it is |
| 02:07:08 | Mikachu | yeah that should be the same screen |
| 02:07:20 | Davide-NYC | menu−−>info−−>version |
| 02:09:56 | old45 | Ok I found it and it did install |
| 02:10:01 | old45 | thanks |
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| 02:10:57 | old45 | I am interested in the recording feature and see that there is a patch for enhanced recording, anyone use the patch? |
| 02:14:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe most of the recording enhancements are now in the official build, with only one or two left. |
| 02:16:15 | old45 | that is good news |
| 02:16:51 | old45 | Official build would be the most current daily build, correct? |
| 02:17:35 | Mikachu | cvs builds are newer than daily builds |
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| 03:49:01 | old45 | I would like to get a handle on the build files for rockbox. The daily build includes the previous days CVS files? What is the point of a patch? I am refering to the enhanced recording patch |
| 03:49:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | old45: You already posted in the forums, and I answered there as well. |
| 03:50:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | old45: The daily build is a CVS build, but made once per day, whereas CVS builds are created every time Rockbox is changed by a developer. |
| 03:50:12 | old45 | I still don't see the point of the patch if the files are in the daily build |
| 03:50:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | What patch? |
| 03:50:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I've told you, a few of the featured of the Recording Enhancements patch are not in CVS yet. |
| 03:50:43 | Mikachu | the point of a patch is to discuss a change before putting it in cvs |
| 03:50:56 | old45 | they still have an enhanced recording patch link in that forum |
| 03:51:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you read the thread that goes with it, you can see the discussion of what features have made it into CVS and which haven't. |
| 03:51:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Patches become out of date frequently |
| 03:51:58 | old45 | OK I see now. Thanks for the explanation |
| 03:52:21 | old45 | looks like only two features to add yet |
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| 04:27:57 | rotator | mmm, beer |
| 04:28:21 | rotator | time for a buzzed session of coding... |
| 04:31:11 | fatherfork | have fun. |
| 04:32:08 | rotator | i will :) |
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| 04:51:51 | Falco98 | hey all |
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| 05:02:09 | Febs | I swear I'm going to start just deleting forum posts that don't contain ANY punctuation. |
| 05:03:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is one period in it. |
| 05:03:17 | Falco98 | haha |
| 05:03:28 | Falco98 | how old, by the way, does a forum post have to be before it expires? |
| 05:03:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | They don't, really |
| 05:03:47 | Falco98 | i'm trying to find a few of my posts from a few months ago and they're not there, it seems |
| 05:03:49 | Falco98 | (?) |
| 05:03:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of old posts are "hidden" right now because we haven't moved them over to the new layout. |
| 05:04:03 | Falco98 | i search my nickname and find only 2 threads i'd replied in |
| 05:04:04 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 05:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you can give me the "Topic" or something by which I can find 'em, I can move 'em over for you |
| 05:04:21 | Febs | The period in .rockbox doesn't count as punctuation. |
| 05:04:26 | Falco98 | umm |
| 05:04:32 | Falco98 | "insert random folders" |
| 05:04:34 | Falco98 | and |
| 05:04:45 | Falco98 | "track skip and shuffle" (referring to crossfade) |
| 05:05:10 | Falco98 | both talking about patches written by jdgordon and myself (respectively) |
| 05:05:59 | Falco98 | BTW... now that the feature freeze is lifted, is there any chance the "shuffle + trackskip" patch could be pushed into CVS? it's rather tiny |
| 05:05:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | They should both be in Audio Playback now |
| 05:06:16 | Falco98 | thanx |
| 05:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: But it verifies that he knows the key exists, and that it works. |
| 05:09:21 | * | Febs tries to stop laughing long enough to type a reply. |
| 05:10:28 | Febs | Thanks, Paul_The_Nerd, that comment made my night. |
| 05:10:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's tempting to add ONE last member group, called "Clueless" or something, for people who show an utter disregard for the guidelines. ;) |
| 05:10:47 | Falco98 | heh |
| 05:10:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, I fear people would want to get in it, just to have a badge |
| 05:13:05 | rotator | heh, the ipods do seem to bring in the younger and less computer savvy group |
| 05:13:47 | Falco98 | haha |
| 05:14:01 | Falco98 | ironic, too, that they're the ones requiring more BS to actually get rockbox onto.. |
| 05:14:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: In regards to the Insert Random Folders, JdGordon actually asked about it today, and the core devs seemed uncertain about whether it was worth having in CVS |
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| 05:15:16 | Falco98 | how about shuffle + track skip? |
| 05:15:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't heard anyone bring that up |
| 05:15:42 | Falco98 | do you know which function i'm referring to? |
| 05:16:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | On crossfade, there's a choice "while shuffled" and a choice for "On track skip" but not one for both, correct? |
| 05:16:25 | Falco98 | correct |
| 05:16:35 | Falco98 | so a few months ago i wrote a patch adding that option |
| 05:16:55 | Falco98 | relatively simple.. maybe fewer than 5 new lines of code added, fewer than 10 changed (maybe.. haven't counted) |
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| 05:21:31 | Falco98 | anyway, i gotta run.. but if you'd be willing to look at that and push it towards inclusion i'd be appreciative (i'm not sure but i suspect it may need to be re-synched first, if so i think it would be minor) |
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| 05:56:43 | Davide-NYC | questions about windows: is there a way to hav a single directoy show up in all of my archos folders? |
| 05:57:41 | Davide-NYC | so I can point a shortcut to my music directory and all of my music with be in the simulators without having to actually copy it into the archos folder? |
| 05:58:31 | Davide-NYC | I htink unix can do this, I want to mount a link to a directory that resides elsewhere on my harddrive. |
| 05:58:36 | Davide-NYC | canbe done? |
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| 06:05:25 | dpassen1 | Using latest CVS on an H140, scrolling through folders while holding play to quickly scroll does not stop at the end like normal scrolling does. |
| 06:08:04 | rotator | dpassen1: no doubt a result of the recent button handling overhaul |
| 06:08:13 | rotator | you might want to report it in the forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.0 |
| 06:08:20 | dpassen1 | Just did :-) |
| 06:08:24 | rotator | :) |
| 06:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: There is a way to do symbolic links in Windows NT4.0 and later I believe, but I don't know what it is. |
| 06:09:11 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't know if this is exactly what you want or not, though |
| 06:09:18 | Davide-NYC | thank you, I needed the terminology to search for |
| 06:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Be careful with it. I remember one of the ways of doing (or simulating) the behaviour could result in you deleting your original files when you tried to delete the links. |
| 06:10:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I think that was a separate thing. |
| 06:10:43 | rotator | i seem to recall there was a way to kinda do symlinks under NTFS, but it wasn't really much more than a poorly supported hack |
| 06:12:21 | Davide-NYC | I'm using a single test repository of mp3s. Not my actual gold standard. |
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| 06:14:07 | rotator | ah, it was ntfs "reparse points" I was think of |
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| 06:16:14 | Davide-NYC | here's a noce article on the subject if anyone cares. http://shell-shocked.org/article.php?id=284 |
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| 06:42:49 | webguest72 | how do i copy mp3s to my ipod in disk mode and still be able to play them with apple firmware? |
| 06:43:00 | JdGordon | u cant |
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| 06:44:45 | webguest72 | hmm |
| 06:45:57 | webguest72 | was trying to get my sister to use linux and i didnt realize that you couldnt just copy it onto the disk and play it |
| 06:46:12 | webguest72 | with apple firmware |
| 06:46:21 | JdGordon | then get her to use rockbox... duh! |
| 06:46:27 | webguest72 | i know |
| 06:47:09 | webguest72 | but she doesnt find linux easy |
| 06:47:17 | JdGordon | so? |
| 06:47:21 | webguest72 | and she might kill me if i switched her to rockbox |
| 06:47:55 | webguest72 | cause on my ipod 4th gen grayscale rockbox is still pertty buggy |
| 06:48:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, this isn't a general iPod support channel. |
| 06:48:27 | webguest72 | reboots itself every so often playing oggs |
| 06:48:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it's kinda the wrong place to be asking questions about the Apple firmware |
| 06:49:09 | webguest72 | well since someone had to figure out how to dual boot the two, thought someone might know a little about how it worked |
| 06:49:47 | JdGordon | hey Paul_The_Nerd, do u know why there is so much opposition to "option bloat"? is it because the menu's are a mess anyway? or code size/complexity? |
| 06:50:17 | aliask | I think code size is a big issue. |
| 06:50:24 | aliask | Well... binary size. |
| 06:50:30 | midkay | on the archoses.. |
| 06:50:34 | aliask | Ya |
| 06:51:07 | JdGordon | ... because i have an absolutly nuts idea to probably halve code size and make the menus much easier to add... |
| 06:51:17 | webguest72 | do midis still pay at double speed rockbox ipod ? |
| 06:51:21 | aliask | Please share |
| 06:51:29 | webguest72 | pay=play |
| 06:51:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It's almost wholly code size I think. |
| 06:52:05 | JdGordon | aliask: im still trying to figure the idea out in my head |
| 06:52:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: Yes, midis still aren't officially supported. |
| 06:52:34 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: awesome... ill bviously double check that with the swedes,, but if it is only code size then i tihnk this could work :D |
| 06:53:19 | webguest72 | what about nsf files? |
| 06:54:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: What about them? |
| 06:55:22 | webguest72 | is there any development for playback in rockbox? |
| 06:55:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 06:55:36 | webguest72 | or are they alraedy supported? |
| 06:55:39 | webguest72 | k |
| 06:55:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: I'd suggest skimming the manual, as it covers the various currently supported features. |
| 06:56:16 | webguest72 | i did |
| 06:56:46 | webguest72 | i didnt see it so i was wondering if it was in development |
| 06:56:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: There's two types of negative option bloat. One is the filesize, which I think is the primary objection to that shuffle. The other is the "support nightmare" variety such as customizable windows that, while possibly fun, open up all sorts of potential for user mayhem as well as making the code harder to maintain and localization / blind user support more difficult. |
| 06:57:24 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: ok |
| 06:57:41 | midkay | JdGordon: you better not be talking about offloading menus into a plugin. ;) |
| 06:59:21 | webguest72 | i think the development of doom for ipod 4g grayscale should stop,,,it cant possibly amount to anything of interest on that platform...unless there is reprogramming like there was for bubbles that made it work well in grayscale |
| 06:59:42 | JdGordon | the generel gist of my idea involves the menu layout being converted from a text file to a c array by a perl script before compiling, so users couldnt actually change the layout in official buids, but unoficial ones could. the script would obviously have to manage the translation support (which should be easy), and the code size would shrink (assuming the function code takes more room in the binary the const'ed arrays) |
| 06:59:59 | JdGordon | midkay: doing that would shrinn about 15K i tinhk (i checked it a while ago) |
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| 07:00:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: One of the goals of Rockbox is to have as close to identical features on all platforms. Doom can be moderately playable on a grayscale target, so why not? |
| 07:00:56 | JdGordon | does anyone think that would almost be workable? |
| 07:01:13 | * | JdGordon should be more patient and start discussing this in 5 hours when ppl are awake :p |
| 07:01:23 | webguest72 | moderately playable? youve actually palyed it on an ipod 4g greyscale? |
| 07:01:47 | webguest72 | it might be able to play demos |
| 07:02:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: I've played it on an H120, which has a screen with similar properties. |
| 07:02:07 | webguest72 | and you might be able to see it if you can hold the right angle long enough |
| 07:02:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: I assume you have adjusted the gamma? |
| 07:02:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not like there's "work" going into Doom these days anyway |
| 07:02:57 | webguest72 | there was no gamma adjustment when i adjusted it |
| 07:03:02 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: I want to open a discussion about remote support in the simulator and swapping out bitmaps of the different possible remotes. |
| 07:03:04 | webguest72 | it stayed the same |
| 07:03:11 | Davide-NYC | hardware? |
| 07:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: General actually, since it's relating to the simulator, not the actual hardware. |
| 07:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: There's not really a good place for "Simulator" discussion, but there's also *very* few topics that only affect the sim. |
| 07:03:56 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: thats proabbly best on the dev mailing list |
| 07:04:15 | JdGordon | midkay: aliask: what you guys think? ^ |
| 07:04:20 | webguest72 | i think the battery life has been improving with almost every new release though |
| 07:04:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest72: Hrm, well that would probably make it better. |
| 07:04:27 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: but I just made these sweet mockup jpgs and I want the rockbox world to see them! |
| 07:04:42 | JdGordon | link them in the email? |
| 07:04:43 | midkay | JdGordon: have you tried it at all? no idea how much that'd benefit code size... |
| 07:05:14 | webguest72 | the ipod gets really hot at times...i wonder if it will blow up |
| 07:05:17 | aliask | JdGordon: It sounds like a good idea, but yeah, I don't see how it reduces binary size. |
| 07:05:18 | JdGordon | midkay: no, i just thought of the idea on my way home from uni... it would remove heaps of "duplicated" code... all of *_menu.c would be removed |
| 07:05:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: But the thing is, how would it affect compiled size? |
| 07:05:46 | aliask | JdGordon: So it just decreases the size of the C code in CVS, not the rockbox.____ file? |
| 07:05:49 | midkay | JdGordon: i see.. hm... |
| 07:05:59 | midkay | well, that should in turn affect the rockbox binary.. |
| 07:06:04 | midkay | how much, i have no idea. |
| 07:06:10 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: thats the thing.. i dont know how it would compare.. i would assume it would be smaller.. but i have no diea |
| 07:08:38 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: pardon my naivete but how do I email the developer mailing list? |
| 07:08:58 | JdGordon | umm... there is a link on the left of the rockbox page to the lists |
| 07:09:38 | webguest72 | do you have to reboot rockbox to exit a doom level? |
| 07:09:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Wouldn't an easier feature than "Shuffle Albums" be to simply move to a random folder when playing in non-playlist mode, as an alternative to next-folder? |
| 07:10:14 | JdGordon | ive done that patch also |
| 07:10:27 | JdGordon | but thats the one which has a 20+s lag time on the first go |
| 07:10:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 07:10:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch |
| 07:11:30 | Davide-NYC | I was subscribed to the cvs list, which I've discovered is different from the dev list. |
| 07:12:30 | * | JdGordon rekons this could work |
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| 07:15:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I think that when re-pitching the "Shuffle Folders" idea, you should mention there's no other way to duplicate this behaviour in CVS Rockbox. |
| 07:16:02 | JdGordon | na, i'll just wait untill there is heaps of commit happening and just sneak it in without them realising :D |
| 07:16:10 | Davide-NYC | night |
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| 07:16:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 07:16:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure somebody would notice the addition of the feature ;) |
| 07:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it is a good idea though. It's essentially treating your device as a multi-disk changer, where the disk is chosen randomly, rather than the track. |
| 07:18:14 | JdGordon | yup |
| 07:18:39 | JdGordon | except the delay is really annoying, but i dont think there is any way around it |
| 07:21:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if playlists could contain playlists, that would be another option, but that unleashes all kinds of havok. :-P |
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| 07:26:12 | BigMac | http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ultra/clix/clix-2GB.aspx |
| 07:26:19 | BigMac | there any work on that model yet? |
| 07:27:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | None at all. |
| 07:27:57 | BigMac | hm |
| 07:28:16 | BigMac | well then i guess i will have to reencode that stuff |
| 07:29:30 | Landus | Okay. |
| 07:29:54 | Landus | I'm using an iRiver h3x0 and haven't recompiled since the 13th of last month. |
| 07:30:02 | Landus | Has there been any big changes? |
| 07:30:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a changelog. |
| 07:31:11 | Landus | Not seeing it. |
| 07:31:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Front page of Rockbox.org? |
| 07:34:35 | Landus | The CVS activity? |
| 07:34:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 07:34:55 | Landus | ... |
| 07:35:20 | Landus | That's recent. It's not going to show changes from 4+ weeks ago. |
| 07:35:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Notice the link that says "Changes since 2.5" at the top? |
| 07:35:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's over a year of changes available. |
| 07:35:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is well over "4+ weeks" |
| 07:35:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry "all commits since 2.5" |
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| 07:48:18 | Bg3r | mornnign:) |
| 07:48:27 | Bg3r | i.e. morning |
| 07:48:38 | JdGordon | hehe mornign Bg3r |
| 07:48:59 | Bg3r | i'm still sleepy |
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| 07:57:21 | scorche | i am starting to think we need a basic english test before we let people post on the forums... |
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| 07:58:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would be unfair to those for whom English really is a second language |
| 07:58:26 | scorche | true |
| 07:58:33 | JdGordon | liek mee |
| 07:58:38 | scorche | but, you get my point |
| 07:59:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though even people who don't speak English natively should be able to at least achieve proper spelling. |
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| 08:00:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as that's something that you can actually *check* whereas grammar requires some context and usually human help if you're uncertain. |
| 08:00:39 | scorche | those are excusable though....what worries me are the people that are from the US and type...like...ugh... |
| 08:01:31 | scorche | makes me worry about the state of the language in 50/100 years |
| 08:02:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The people who feel that their key movements are so valuable, to waste even one extra letter on a punctuation mark or vowel in a word that can be shortened to three letters if they're removed, would be a sin? |
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| 08:02:23 | perplexity | It's ok, the rest of the english speaking world are holding the fort.. We just won't be able to converse with people in the US ;) |
| 08:02:43 | perplexity | s/are/is/ :\ |
| 08:02:46 | scorche | among others.. |
| 08:03:19 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to remove a file from the play queue in JuK? |
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| 09:57:32 | midkay | SDGASGASD |
| 09:57:38 | midkay | oops. |
| 09:57:39 | midkay | sorry. |
| 09:57:42 | scorche | lame... |
| 09:57:46 | midkay | your mother. |
| 09:57:55 | scorche | ... |
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| 10:05:41 | aliask | Ehm, in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ (note: no WebHome on the end), the 10 most recent changes are a bit dated... what's the deal with that? |
| 10:06:57 | linuxstb | Click on the "Refresh Cache" link at the bottom. |
| 10:12:19 | theli_ua | do rb->pcm_play_data waits for data to be played or just sumbmits buffer for playing? |
| 10:13:14 | pondlife | Morning all! Anyone fancy committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5844 - as I now have confirmation that it fixes the crashing problems for 2 users on the ML. |
| 10:15:02 | daurnimator | awwwwwwwwww |
| 10:16:49 | LinusN | pondlife: has anyone tested it on an archos? |
| 10:18:03 | pondlife | No, but it shouldn't affect Archos; it mainly reverts the earlier changes in that area. If you could test it that would be nice though. |
| 10:18:12 | pondlife | It does compile this time |
| 10:18:39 | pondlife | Playback.c is not used on MASCODEC, right? |
| 10:18:43 | LinusN | nope |
| 10:18:52 | pondlife | OK, so there are no Archos mods in there |
| 10:19:08 | LinusN | goodie |
| 10:19:09 | pondlife | The talk.c changes are all in SWCODEC #if blocks |
| 10:19:23 | pondlife | Aside from some comments |
| 10:20:14 | pondlife | It's definitely better than current CVS too. |
| 10:21:35 | LinusN | committed |
| 10:21:44 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 10:21:55 | LinusN | thank *you* |
| 10:22:06 | pondlife | Also.... how about that buffer_alloc mod for tagtree... |
| 10:22:18 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5845 |
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| 10:23:11 | pondlife | I'd like to look into the year problems in tagcache, but would rather get one mod committed first so I don't end up with any "cross-purpose" patches |
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| 10:38:29 | Lear | jdgordon: you around? |
| 10:38:35 | JdGordon | i r |
| 10:39:21 | Lear | Just wondering about bookmark selection screen... ACTION_BMS_SELECT and _EXIT aren't in any keymap definition. Should they be? |
| 10:39:36 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:39:49 | LinusN | the bookmark selection screen sucks imnsho |
| 10:40:11 | JdGordon | ... but untill its redone it shuold be fixed.. ill go fix the mappings now |
| 10:41:20 | Lear | btw, linusn, you were interested in the "dynamic enum" part of patch 4802? |
| 10:41:41 | Lear | I've made an (simple) implementation of that... |
| 10:41:53 | LinusN | me wants it....preciousssssssss |
| 10:42:07 | pondlife | Maybe one for Bagder? Why does the CVS log display "barrywardell" rather than "Barry Wardell" when everyone else is preoper cased...? Not very important, but these things annoy me... |
| 10:42:48 | Lear | What I have now is almost backwards compatible; only thing is I suspect most WPS:s don't include a "unknown battery level" bitmap. They'd need one with it. |
| 10:42:48 | linuxstb | pondlife: Just check out another copy of the code from CVS if you want to work on something unrelated to your other work - I normally have a few local copies at any one time, each with different sets of changes. |
| 10:42:52 | Bagder | pondlife: fixed now! |
| 10:43:04 | pondlife | Thanks and thanks |
| 10:43:20 | LinusN | Bagder: you beat me to it |
| 10:43:23 | pondlife | linuxstb: You mean parallel to rockbox-devel I take it. |
| 10:43:27 | Bagder | I won! |
| 10:43:34 | * | Bagder cheers and runs around his room |
| 10:43:52 | pondlife | ...scaring his co-workers somewhat |
| 10:44:02 | Bagder | I have no co-workers! |
| 10:44:03 | barrywardell | i hadn't even noticed! |
| 10:44:08 | pondlife | Lucky you |
| 10:44:13 | Bagder | only machines |
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| 10:44:14 | linuxstb | pondlife: Yes. I normally do something like "mkdir tmp ; cd tmp ; cvs co -d..... rockbox-devel ; mv rockbox-devel ../rockbox-myproject ; cd .. ; rmdir tmp" |
| 10:44:29 | Lear | (Not a big issue; the shown battery level would be a bit lower than it should be.) |
| 10:44:29 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 10:44:32 | linuxstb | (i.e. you can rename rockbox-devel to anything) |
| 10:44:59 | Bagder | cvs can even check out to a different name |
| 10:45:03 | linuxstb | You can even just do "cp -pr rockbox-devel rockbox-myproject" if you want. |
| 10:45:10 | pondlife | Even easier |
| 10:45:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: How? |
| 10:45:30 | Bagder | cvs co blabla -d anotherblabla |
| 10:46:07 | linuxstb | Ah, I love the way cvs gives the same option different meanings depending on where in the command-line it is... |
| 10:46:15 | Bagder | oh yes, highly confusing |
| 10:46:32 | Bagder | and depending on what subcommand you use |
| 10:47:02 | * | tucoz waits for preglow to mention svn |
| 10:47:08 | linuxstb | And it makes searching the man page nice and simple as well... |
| 10:47:19 | * | Bagder resolves svn.rockbox.org... |
| 10:47:26 | pondlife | Bagder: I assume Barry Wardell will appear on Barry's next commit... I still see lower case on the frontpage... |
| 10:47:44 | Bagder | at next table update it'll fix itself |
| 10:47:53 | pondlife | Gotcha |
| 10:48:12 | tucoz | Bagder, really? so it's somewhere in the not so distant future? |
| 10:48:20 | pondlife | Right... onto something more important.... |
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| 10:48:44 | Bagder | tucoz: hopefully, yes |
| 10:48:54 | tucoz | wow |
| 10:49:21 | Bagder | tucoz: you can in fact checkout from svn://svn.rockbox.org... |
| 10:49:31 | Bagder | but its not updated |
| 10:50:02 | tucoz | oh. I've heard so much nice about svn, that it's almost tempting to try it out. |
| 10:50:21 | Lear | linusn: maybe I should make the first battery enum the "unknown level" value, rather than the last? |
| 10:51:34 | LinusN | yes i think so |
| 10:55:47 | tucoz | anyone here that uses the gnome terminal? In that case, do you know what the standard font is called? |
| 10:56:24 | JdGordon | Lear: ive just commited the fix for the bookmar screen buttons.. 15min and it will be on cvs |
| 10:56:59 | Lear | Great, thanks. |
| 10:58:19 | tucoz | nevermind. It's probably monospace. |
| 10:59:00 | JdGordon | guys, RE the option rework email (which seems to have gone off track).. is it worth the effort? do i try it and see how ti goes? |
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| 11:00:52 | JdGordon | actually ignore that q.. ill reply to the email |
| 11:01:26 | * | amiconn seems to no longer understand his own pixel value range mapping considerations properly :/ |
| 11:01:35 | JdGordon | hehe welll done |
| 11:01:44 | JdGordon | dont you wish you commented? :D |
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| 11:01:52 | JdGordon | ... the code that is |
| 11:03:44 | amiconn | The code is simple, no comments needed on that one |
| 11:03:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I think the consensus on that was "Reworking the way it works is good. Offloading it to an externally parsed file in XML, not so great." |
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| 11:04:38 | Bagder | that's my feel too |
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| 11:09:16 | pondlife | JdGordon: It would be good if the rework could allow users to customise menus in some way... is that under consideration at all? |
| 11:09:32 | Bagder | it usually pops up every now and then |
| 11:10:30 | amiconn | Imho the main menu should not be configurable |
| 11:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the customization should be a compiling step, if anything. |
| 11:11:14 | pondlife | I was thinking this could solve the call for "simpler" menus perhaps. |
| 11:11:21 | amiconn | Instead, I would deem it a good idea to replace the quickscreen(s) with a user configurable menu |
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| 11:11:30 | pondlife | Personally I am very strongly against any need to hide options or use a CFG editor |
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| 11:12:18 | tucoz | I agree. Instead a reorganization is on the other a better solution. |
| 11:12:21 | linuxstb | My view is that there should be a standard, fixed menu where everything is accessible - so if someone asks how to do something, we can tell them. But (as amiconn just said...) there could be an additional user-configurable menu, or maybe users could add their favourite options to the root of the main menu. |
| 11:12:30 | amiconn | The user configurable menu could double as a root menu, with a sensible default configuration |
| 11:12:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any thoughts on my context-menu post to the thread on the list? |
| 11:12:50 | * | linuxstb thinks the same as amiconn |
| 11:12:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Reconsidering the use of the context menu somewhat? |
| 11:13:54 | pondlife | amiconn: Why not allow all menus to be customisable ,as long as there's a way to restore defaults at all time |
| 11:13:57 | amiconn | pondlife: The user configurable menus wouldn't require to edit the .cfg by hand |
| 11:14:20 | amiconn | pondlife: How do you restore the default when you've hidden the menu item to do so? |
| 11:14:20 | pondlife | Nope, I'm referring to the idea on the ML that some options become accessibly only by editing CFG files |
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| 11:14:53 | pondlife | s/accessibly/accessible |
| 11:15:18 | amiconn | Also, having the main menu configurable will lead to worse accessibility by the blind |
| 11:15:27 | pondlife | amiconn: Reset settings at startup? Or similar.. |
| 11:15:43 | pondlife | True |
| 11:15:45 | amiconn | Imagine a misconfigured menu with the voice menus switched off. |
| 11:15:59 | amiconn | How would a blind user find the menu item to reenable voice? |
| 11:16:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the main menu should be static, contain everything user-configurable somewhere within, and should be avoidable in almost all cases. |
| 11:16:18 | pondlife | Why would a blind user go to the effort of customising their menus though? |
| 11:16:25 | LinusN | imagine all the "my menu if b0rked" forum posts we will receive |
| 11:16:27 | pondlife | I mean removing the voice options |
| 11:16:47 | amiconn | pondlife: Maybe others use his unit as well? Or there is a glitch in rockbox? |
| 11:17:04 | pondlife | I'm assuming that editing a menu will involve some text file editing at least, not something that can be done easily or mistakenly. |
| 11:17:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to me that since we have a context menu, the main menu should primarily be used for set-up, while the context menu should contain what a user needs at any point while they're using the player (assuming they don't want to change settings for another context, that is) |
| 11:17:23 | LinusN | for example if we add a few menu items, and the user doesn't upgrade his menu config |
| 11:17:31 | pondlife | Personally I just want to see the menu include ALL options |
| 11:17:37 | amiconn | pondlife: I'm not talking about _removing_ the options, it's enough that the options are no longer at the same place in the tree because other options were hidden... |
| 11:17:42 | LinusN | "i don't see the new XXXX feature in the menu" |
| 11:18:12 | pondlife | The only reason I mentioned it was to see if it could be used to stop people suggesting that some options be removed from settings... |
| 11:18:17 | LinusN | configurable menus is a support nightmare |
| 11:18:19 | pondlife | So no argument from me |
| 11:18:42 | pondlife | As long as all options remain accessibly in the menus that is. |
| 11:18:57 | LinusN | to quote bagder: "you'll drag me kicking and screaming into that mess" |
| 11:19:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think anyone in here thinks options should be removed from the menus, but stay in code. |
| 11:19:33 | pondlife | Not here, but on the ML |
| 11:20:00 | * | JdGordon back |
| 11:20:10 | pondlife | So we all agree, all options remain, only "F3" menus to be customisable, if any. |
| 11:20:34 | JdGordon | re customizing the menu... we agree thats bad, but I tihnnk adding a user menu which the user can populate how he likes would be acceptable? |
| 11:21:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still think a more intelligent context menu would help a lot. |
| 11:21:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do people need a customizable menu? |
| 11:21:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the root, create a folder called "Menu" |
| 11:21:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Inside, create folders named after each option you want. |
| 11:22:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | In those place .cfg files with single entries for the values you want to be able to change them to |
| 11:22:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Done. |
| 11:22:15 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: That works... as long as you don't use tagcache. |
| 11:22:19 | JdGordon | hehe.. thats a solution |
| 11:22:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: And a "Filetree" list entry in TagCache that takes you to File View, or the option to point at Folders with TagNavi.config bits would also allow this to be worked around without configurable menus. ;) |
| 11:23:03 | amiconn | And it means spinning the disk for every option change |
| 11:23:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, this is true. |
| 11:23:29 | daurnimator | h iall |
| 11:23:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, either way, I'm surprised nobody has done this yet if they want configurable menus so badly. |
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| 11:24:18 | pondlife | Noone really strongly wants configurable menus AFAIK. Some people on the ML seem to think that there are too many options and it is confusing. Me, I like it how it is...! |
| 11:24:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | My thinking is that it's likely to result in a lot of people tinkering a little bit, one person coming up with a well liked layout for the configurable screen, and 90% of users using that one. |
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| 11:25:39 | Lynx_ | how about having a scrolling line at the bottom of the screen that shows a short explanation for the currently selected option in the settings menu? |
| 11:26:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lynx_: I think the confusion is in finding things. |
| 11:26:19 | Lynx_ | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, right, it doesn't help there |
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| 11:26:55 | linuxstb | IMO the current menu structure is confusing because it tries to meet two incompatible requirements - make commonly used features accessible easily, and have a logical, easy to navigate hierarchy. |
| 11:27:19 | Lynx_ | maybe it would actually help to have options that do not clearly belong into any one category present in two or even more categories? that would increase the menu tree size, but still make stuff easier to find. |
| 11:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Again: Context menu for commonly used features in a given context, full menu for easy to navigate hierarchy of everything. :-P |
| 11:27:25 | daurnimator | i think there should be a universal OS for all mp3 players |
| 11:27:32 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Exactly. |
| 11:27:39 | scorche | Bagder: something going on with builds? |
| 11:27:45 | daurnimator | programmable in a script language - with ability to execute binaries |
| 11:28:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think that the context menu is underappreciated by most people. I get the sense it's primarily used for playlist-insert, and file deletion. |
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| 11:28:25 | Bagder | scorche: yeah |
| 11:28:41 | Lynx_ | daurnimator: port a scripting language to rockbox, and you're almost there ;) |
| 11:28:41 | daurnimator | ie - you're given all functions (load files, play music etc) , and you make your own ui. |
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| 11:28:57 | daurnimator | and, a place where you can just select your hardwaare, and its all in there |
| 11:28:58 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 11:29:02 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I also don't think it should be much more than that - keep the context menu for that purpose, and allow the user to create duplicates of their favourite menu options in the root of the main menu, or in a new root menu. |
| 11:29:11 | daurnimator | - like a dropdown list :P |
| 11:29:53 | scorche | Bagder: just making sure... =P |
| 11:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think there's a lot missing from the context menu. For example, you can't change replaygain while music is playing, nor are some of the playback options (shuffle, crossfade) available from it, etc. |
| 11:32:30 | Lynx_ | is there still a quick menu on the h300, reachable from the wps? |
| 11:32:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think with that addition, the Quick-menu could probably be dropped on SWCodec players (since it still requires many button presses to cycle values anyway) and be replaced with the user configurable one. |
| 11:32:45 | Lynx_ | like the archos f-key menu |
| 11:33:24 | JdGordon | doing this rework also means its likely we will be able to easily add the menu title :) |
| 11:34:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, why isn't "File View" available when you hit the context menu in the filetree? |
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| 11:37:07 | JdGordon | whats the rule about structs with unions/structs nested in them? is it ok? |
| 11:37:09 | Lynx_ | how do i report typos in the manual? bugreport? |
| 11:39:26 | _hotwire_ | amiconn: you around? |
| 11:40:36 | tucoz | Lynx_, a bugreport is a good way of reporting stuff like that |
| 11:41:15 | tucoz | Lynx_, have you found many typos? |
| 11:41:16 | Lynx_ | tucoz: ok. it seemd a bit much to open a bug report for one typo ;) |
| 11:41:26 | tucoz | Lynx_, oh. tell me and I fix |
| 11:41:31 | Lynx_ | tucoz: no, just one. maybe i should collect them. |
| 11:41:45 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: wow...you been watching mr. ritesh? |
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| 11:42:20 | tucoz | Lynx_, I can fix that one right away :) (as long as you tell me where it is) |
| 11:42:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Hm? |
| 11:42:24 | Lynx_ | tucoz: section 3.4.3, 'shortchut' under sound settings should obviously be shortcut |
| 11:42:34 | tucoz | thanks |
| 11:42:39 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: he posted a "cheat" for brickmainia.... |
| 11:42:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 11:42:47 | scorche | -i |
| 11:42:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw that, didn't pay attention to who posted it though |
| 11:43:06 | Bg3r | JdGordon: i don't see why it wouldn't be ok |
| 11:43:20 | JdGordon | thats what i like to hear :D |
| 11:43:25 | scorche | and hw is already up to 51 posts.... |
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| 11:43:50 | Bg3r | JdGordon: what r u working on ? |
| 11:44:08 | JdGordon | complete rework of the menu system... |
| 11:44:09 | Lynx_ | tucoz: section 3.4.2, 'rightend' after The Peak Indicator is missing a space ;) |
| 11:44:15 | JdGordon | read the ml |
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| 11:44:31 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: 52 posts in about 3 days... |
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| 11:44:51 | scorche | about 2 days actually |
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| 11:46:18 | tucoz | Lynx_, fixed. |
| 11:48:39 | barrywardell | Bagder: turns out we haven't got the h10 scrollpad solved yet :( |
| 11:48:58 | Bagder | :-( |
| 11:49:07 | barrywardell | channel 4 of the ADC is conneceted to the pad |
| 11:49:23 | barrywardell | but it seems to give pressure sensitivity rather than position sensitivity |
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| 11:50:09 | barrywardell | the adc is a 'dual 4-channel'. does that mean that there could be another 4 channels yet to find? |
| 11:51:04 | Bagder | sounds like it could be |
| 11:53:26 | barrywardell | i guess i'll look at the OF to see if I can get any hints |
| 11:59:23 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Nice work on the forums... I like the new categorization. I was away for some days and didn't check the forums for quite some time, so I had a total impact of the changes... |
| 11:59:36 | * | JdGordon thinks menu rework will be able to remove (or at least massivly increase) the amount of allowable submenus.... weather that is good or bad.. i dunno D |
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| 12:02:15 | A_M | JdGordon: a q about your menu reworking for settings idea: there are plenty of settings that require additional code to be executed rather than just setting the global_settings member variable, how would your system with external .xml (or whatever) files deal with that? |
| 12:03:12 | JdGordon | A_M: check my reply about 5min ago.... the menu allows for functions to be called which can manually run the options gui, or do anything really |
| 12:03:22 | amiconn | Imo xml is overkill in a system like rockbox |
| 12:03:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Well, most of the change happened overnight. Forums were down 3 hours, came back up looking like that. ;) |
| 12:03:40 | JdGordon | and there is no more external text file.. it was stupid and wrong :p |
| 12:03:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Surprisingly few people have complained about the lack of player specific forums, nicely. |
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| 12:03:52 | AM | JdGordon: a q about your menu reworking for settings idea: there are plenty of settings that require additional code to be executed rather than just setting the global_settings member variable, how would your system with external .xml (or whatever) files deal with that? |
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| 12:04:12 | JdGordon | hehe.. |
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| 12:04:51 | midkay_ | haha. good response. |
| 12:04:53 | AM | did you just answer that or something? my IRC client sort of died so I may have missed something... |
| 12:05:05 | JdGordon | grr.. stupid pm wont go through |
| 12:05:10 | JdGordon | <JdGordon> A_M: check my reply about 5min ago.... the menu allows for functions to be called which can manually run the options gui, or do anything really |
| 12:05:22 | tucoz | AM, check the logs www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 12:05:44 | AM | ok |
| 12:05:48 | JdGordon | reply to the mailing list i mean... |
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| 12:07:06 | AM | ah I see |
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| 12:09:28 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I won't miss the target specific forums. It's better this way now IMO. Besides we have "real" topic specific forums now. :) |
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| 12:10:06 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: So the forum rework is completed now? or there is work to be done? |
| 12:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: There's still a lot of posts to be moved over. We moved at best, maybe the newest 10%. Not that people really miss them. |
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| 12:11:23 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I see... |
| 12:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other than that, I'm trying to get some bugs we're experiencing resolved. |
| 12:11:39 | Genre9mp3 | nice |
| 12:12:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then maybe I'll look into upgrading the functionality a little bit. |
| 12:12:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, right, and in a few days I'm getting rid of post-based member groups. Posts will still be counted, but everyone will simply be "Member" if they aren't in one of the assigned groups |
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| 12:14:51 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Nice! This means that I won't be a newbie anymore! :P |
| 12:15:10 | AM | JdGordon: Have you looked at patch #5833 or otherwise considered what would be required to allow displaying the setting values in the menus? When I wrote that I didn't bother addressing the current menu bloat (actually I tried to minimize need to rework existing code so it sort of increases bloat instead), but I think it ought to work well in conjunction with a menu system such as yours... |
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| 12:16:17 | JdGordon | I havnt, but depending how i implement the changes, there might be very little work needed (if any) for that to work |
| 12:16:35 | * | amiconn wouldn't want the settings displayed in the menu |
| 12:16:58 | amiconn | At least not all settings in a 2-column fashion |
| 12:16:59 | aliask | I quite like the patch, on large lcd's at least. |
| 12:17:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Haven't you written patches that have been accepted, or am I confused with who you are now? |
| 12:17:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is 5:20 am, and my brain is not working right |
| 12:17:37 | * | JdGordon bbl |
| 12:17:55 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: No not patches...just the iCatcher wps |
| 12:17:55 | amiconn | Looks like crap on low-res LCDs and/or with large fonts |
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| 12:18:24 | dionoea_work | hello |
| 12:18:33 | markun | Genre9mp3: do you still have the gigabeat iCatcher somewhere? |
| 12:18:37 | dionoea_work | would it be possible to have a "Last changed" date column in flyspray ? |
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| 12:18:52 | firenx | how do i edit my boot loader sequence |
| 12:19:24 | Genre9mp3 | markun: yes |
| 12:19:39 | AM | the way the patch works it's a setting so amiconn would have to have it enabled anyhow. (plus there's always the option to display settings on two lines, or only display settings for the selected item) |
| 12:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Ah. You already deserve a group in the forums then. You're an "Artist" |
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| 12:20:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I knew you'd done *something* |
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| 12:20:45 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: There's an artist group? Didn't know that.... |
| 12:21:40 | AM | *err wouldn't |
| 12:22:33 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Nevermind. Just saw the badges thread |
| 12:22:34 | dongs | holy fuck this internet is fucking garbage |
| 12:22:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I'm rewriting the badges thread right now actually. :) |
| 12:23:53 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I 'll have to make a UniCatcher for Gigabeat, too |
| 12:24:03 | markun | ok |
| 12:24:41 | Genre9mp3 | ...and of course a version for X5 remote.. |
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| 12:26:32 | Genre9mp3 | markun: So, what's the progress status for the Gigabeat, now? (sorry I was away these days) |
| 12:27:14 | _hotwire_ | amiconn: did you get my forum pm? |
| 12:27:25 | markun | Genre9mp3: still working on the bootloader, but we are also working on the drivers |
| 12:27:47 | markun | Yesterday we wrote to the DAC for the first time. |
| 12:29:02 | markun | I wrote to the company who made the LCD module about the LCD driver IC. They told me it was a custom job so they can't give it to me. |
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| 12:31:04 | Genre9mp3 | That's bad... (for the LCD) |
| 12:32:29 | Genre9mp3 | So after the bootloader is done you won't be able to enable the display on target? |
| 12:32:42 | markun | we already have the display working |
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| 12:32:48 | Genre9mp3 | ah |
| 12:32:58 | markun | but it's just nice to have for contrast settings, screen flipping etc |
| 12:33:07 | Genre9mp3 | I see... |
| 12:33:18 | markun | Genre9mp3: http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/ata_identify.jpg |
| 12:33:21 | * | Paul_The_Nerd finishes his "Badges" post update. |
| 12:33:51 | Genre9mp3 | markun: :) |
| 12:34:25 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: YAY! |
| 12:35:16 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: the "do not post in these" forums, are you working them down to 0 posts and then deleting them? |
| 12:35:59 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: How about multiple badges? You deserve the "expert" one as well! |
| 12:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yes, slowly. |
| 12:36:40 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: gotcha. nice job on the forum post - reading it now, very well-written so far :) |
| 12:37:07 | tucoz | anyone with a ipod photo/4g around? |
| 12:37:16 | tucoz | I wonder where the hold switch is located |
| 12:37:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I could theoretically do that, but I'm happy the way it is. You're an artist, btw, if you hadn't noticed. |
| 12:38:39 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Oh...what an honor! :) |
| 12:38:50 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: small suggestion - you made each "Staff" and "Bestowed Badges" sections in bold, and the third section is more of a non-bold description ("You may apply for these badges") - maybe you should bold this and cut it down to like "Badges you may apply for".. :) |
| 12:39:04 | Genre9mp3 | Though "artist" is very strong word...heh |
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| 12:39:17 | pi | hmmmw i realy ott to join the forums at some point |
| 12:39:48 | midkay | don't tell me - please don't - that you said "ott" on purpose.. |
| 12:40:38 | pi | i amm a yslexic and didnt actualy notice till you mentioned it |
| 12:40:48 | pi | *dyslexic |
| 12:41:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, those are still bestowed. It's like a subcategory. The non-bolding was intention. I guess it doesn't come across like that? |
| 12:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | intentional |
| 12:41:37 | midkay | pi: er, sorry :) |
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| 12:41:37 | * | Paul_The_Nerd needs to learn to type. |
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| 12:41:53 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i realized that sort of as i was typing that message.. |
| 12:41:58 | San||Away | anyone ever hear of http://gp2x.co.uk? |
| 12:42:09 | San||Away | it is open source and doesn't look bad |
| 12:42:16 | | Nick San||Away is now known as [San] (n=San@A-57-23.cust.iol.ie) |
| 12:42:18 | midkay | i think these should be split up though. "Staff", "Badges you must earn" and "Badges you may apply for" or something. |
| 12:42:26 | pi | it doesnt matter it is just a fact and i apologise for departing from the english language from time to time |
| 12:42:51 | midkay | also i just discovered the horizontal line forum thing - [hl] - and it'd be well-used here.. to divide categories or badges. |
| 12:43:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Okay, lemme apply some more formatting then |
| 12:43:15 | midkay | pi: just so many people do it because they think it's easier or something.. pet peeve i suppose :) |
| 12:43:34 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: *waits in apprehension* |
| 12:43:45 | crwl | [San], there's plenty to read about the GP2X on http://wiki.gp2x.org/ and http://www.gp32x.com/board/ |
| 12:44:47 | [San] | i was just showing it to you... |
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| 12:45:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: [hr] I think you meant? |
| 12:45:48 | midkay | was that it? |
| 12:45:53 | midkay | h-something. |
| 12:45:53 | midkay | :) |
| 12:46:05 | midkay | i thought "hl" for "Horizontal Line".. |
| 12:46:19 | midkay | some button in the upper right of the formatting options. |
| 12:46:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Horizontal Rule, I assume |
| 12:46:42 | midkay | yeah, that must be it. |
| 12:47:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think I'm going to make a very brief mention of who has powers. |
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| 12:48:11 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: you mean who are admins, etc? |
| 12:48:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, just a very brief summary of what each group can do. |
| 12:48:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | VERY brief. |
| 12:48:51 | midkay | oh, i see. sure. |
| 12:49:02 | midkay | but that reminds me of something i forgot about, that occurred to me while reading.. |
| 12:49:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Forum Admins and Global Moderators have all power necessary to enforce the rules of these forums. As well Developers and Experts have been given some limited additional functions to enable them to better be able to do their jobs. Artist and Coder badges do not grant any additional powers. |
| 12:49:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like that |
| 12:49:23 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c.diff?r1=1.10&r2=1.11 <- play is exit and menu is delete? hello consistency |
| 12:49:24 | midkay | very good. |
| 12:49:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Something you forgot about? |
| 12:49:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: "there are a few people sporting this badge. We are the people with full control over the forums, and are the ones to come to when something in the forums doesn't seem to be working right." |
| 12:49:54 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd: can u add the Bger in the forums as a dev (or whatever is called) |
| 12:50:11 | midkay | when i read that, it occurred to me that you should maybe list at least a few of the admins.. for two reasons, one because there are very few, and two because - as you say - you should contact them if there's a problem.. |
| 12:50:18 | midkay | might be nice to know who you can go to in such a case. |
| 12:51:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Good idea. |
| 12:53:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Though I'm not certain they should really contact the other admins unless I'm unavailable. The other two are LinusN and Jeff, the latter not really being around our forums very much at all, and the former probably not wanting to be pestered by random PMs that really don't need to be a PM to an admin in 95% of cases. |
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| 12:53:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bg3r: Give me a few minutes, and I'll do so. |
| 12:53:49 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, right.. |
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| 12:53:52 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd: thank u;) |
| 12:55:44 | * | midkay tries working on the developer badge a bit.. |
| 12:56:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: How's it look now? |
| 12:56:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: absolutely great, nice job. :) |
| 12:57:18 | Febs | Does anyone know whether the ipod is capable of playing 48khz/24bit audio? |
| 12:57:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I've heard it can, but I'm not sure where my brain is pulling this from at this time |
| 12:57:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: one suggestion, hm - a bit of extra spacing between the last badge and the bit about powers.. |
| 12:57:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I was just about to do that. ;) |
| 12:57:57 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: haha. great minds think alike ;) |
| 12:58:14 | midkay | of course that always makes me think that crappy ones do too, so.. :) |
| 12:58:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Also, italicized the last bit. I think it sets it off a little better as a "footnote" style entry. |
| 12:59:15 | perplexity | midkay, great minds may think alike, however fools seldom differ ;) |
| 12:59:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: perfect... now just await a new Developer badge, in all likelihood.. |
| 12:59:36 | midkay | perplexity: that's perplexing indeed :D |
| 12:59:41 | amiconn | hotwire_: I rarely frequent the forums these days... |
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| 13:02:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I now have the power to upload badges at will. I actually need a "Member" badge now, for normal members. Because I don't seem to have the option to give them 0 "icons", just 1 at minimum. I was thinking just the R from Rockbox, in a much narrower box, to widely differentiate it from the actual badges. |
| 13:02:48 | * | Paul_The_Nerd was gonna make that sometime soon. |
| 13:03:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, ftp access is useful... :) sounds good, i just agree that it should be quite.. clearly different from the others. |
| 13:03:48 | Bagder | less "distinct" I think |
| 13:03:56 | midkay | let me just see if i can get a better developer one. i'm happy with the others, they're all very legible IMO, except developer is rather hard to read where it overlaps the rockbox logo.. |
| 13:04:01 | Bagder | the badges kind of attract ones eyes |
| 13:04:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, normal members need to not look *anything* like they have a badge. |
| 13:04:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't want everyone to just have one of those silly little stars after we drop post-based groups. |
| 13:05:25 | midkay | haha. |
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| 13:06:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | We could always do a black treble cleff on a transparent background (GIF) |
| 13:06:45 | midkay | sigh.. hm... |
| 13:06:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way it's very non-detracting |
| 13:07:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: great minds again, i was thinking about something like that. at least involving the clef. ;) |
| 13:07:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: hm, any ideas on a potential different color for Developers? red just seems to blend in here.. i wonder if I could get it to stand out a bit more somehow.. |
| 13:07:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no idea, but since developers names are already Gold-ish in the list, any color that doesn't look too much like the others should be fine. |
| 13:08:11 | tucoz | isn't it possible to use .png? This png is transparent http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-160003 |
| 13:08:27 | Bagder | tucoz: in IE too? |
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| 13:08:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: A monochrom gif would be a good deal smaller, though, right? |
| 13:08:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | monochrome |
| 13:08:46 | Bagder | IE at least has a history of sucking at transparant PNGs |
| 13:08:48 | tucoz | Bagder, ah. the stupid IE. |
| 13:09:16 | tucoz | it has a history of sucking at a lot of things |
| 13:09:21 | Bagder | amen |
| 13:09:32 | hotwire_ | amiconn: I posted a version of my uisimulator/sdl/button.c online somewhere, but would like a better idea of what you want for cleaning it up. |
| 13:09:46 | dwihno | Assuming people using IE6, I think 8 bit "transparency" is OK, but alpha channels = mess |
| 13:10:34 | tucoz | what status does the ipod 3g have? Is it usable? I wonder if we should create a manual for it. |
| 13:10:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's "nearly usable" |
| 13:11:16 | Mikachu | dwihno: you mean 1bit transparency? :) |
| 13:11:17 | linuxstb | I would say that anything we offer cvs/daily builds for should have a manual. |
| 13:11:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd agrees with linuxstb |
| 13:11:33 | * | Bagder nods |
| 13:12:01 | tucoz | I agree to some extent. I wound at least expect it to be able to play music before we make a manual for it. |
| 13:12:15 | tucoz | maybe that is a criteria to end up as a daily |
| 13:12:16 | * | dan_a agrees with tucoz. |
| 13:12:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 3G can play some music, though. |
| 13:12:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I understand, at least |
| 13:13:13 | dan_a | It can. It only has a little skipping as long as you stay in the menu and not on the WPS |
| 13:13:23 | dwihno | Mikachu: I was thinking transparency in 8bit-mode, but you're true. |
| 13:13:30 | dwihno | you're right, and true ;) |
| 13:13:44 | tucoz | ok. My concern is that unless it is a fairly usable state, we have to make a lot of 'exclude this from 3g' |
| 13:13:54 | tucoz | *in a |
| 13:14:33 | tucoz | hmm. But that we could solve quite much with the platform files. Maybe I'll start working on that tonight then :) |
| 13:14:53 | amiconn | hotwire_: My basic idea is to change the way how pc keys are assigned to player buttons. As more and more targets get added, the current method becomes difficult to follow and hence error prone |
| 13:15:12 | dan_a | tucoz: I think that apart from the skipping, the only difference between the 3g and the 4g is that the 3g does not detect USB being plugged in. |
| 13:15:15 | amiconn | Today, we check for button defines, and then evaluate pc key values based on that |
| 13:15:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | pondlife: Done. |
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| 13:15:50 | midkay | siiiiiiiiigh. |
| 13:15:51 | amiconn | My idea will add a very lengthy, but regular list of pc keys eventually mapped to player buttons |
| 13:16:00 | tucoz | dan_a, ok. Then I'll start making a platform file for it later on. |
| 13:16:06 | pixelma | dan_a: it has a different button layout, too |
| 13:16:18 | amiconn | The actual mapping will consist of a bunch of #defines per target |
| 13:16:30 | tucoz | pixelma, that is handled in the platform files |
| 13:16:40 | tucoz | (to some extent) |
| 13:16:47 | pixelma | ok :) |
| 13:17:09 | linuxstb | tucoz: Yes, playing music is more or less the main criteria for adding a cvs/daily build. By the time that happens, most other things in the port are working - I'm not sure there is much which works on other ipods and not on the 3g. |
| 13:17:12 | flux__ | hmm.. can I submit a feature suggestion without creating an account? (I don't have an sf account..) |
| 13:17:13 | tucoz | But this might be a good starting point for the action mappings for the manual as well. |
| 13:17:50 | tucoz | linuxstb, good. |
| 13:17:57 | tucoz | ..to know |
| 13:17:58 | amiconn | I considered doing it the other way 'round, but that wouldn't allow multiple keys per button, which is a feature I want to keep |
| 13:18:12 | amiconn | The numpad mappings are rather cumbersome on a laptop |
| 13:18:47 | pixelma | tucoz: H300 is ready - http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/H300_colours.svg |
| 13:18:53 | Mikachu | flux__: the tracker hasn't been on sourceforge for a long time, rockbox.org/tracker |
| 13:18:55 | tucoz | pixelma, I think your drawings look beautiful in the manual |
| 13:18:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | flux__: You don't need a sourceforge account. You need to create a flyspray account at our flyspray page. |
| 13:19:10 | tucoz | pixelma, thanks |
| 13:19:15 | flux__ | iow, yes :). well, maybe I'll bother at some point :) |
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| 13:20:10 | aliask | tucoz: What are the svg files used for, they look great. |
| 13:20:26 | flux__ | but for the time being, a single simple thing I can /lastlog from irc later: on iRiver iHP-120 the boot loader should check the hold switch again after displaying the 'release hold switch'-message but before shutting down |
| 13:20:43 | tucoz | aliask, they are used in the manuals for the key-reference images. I think could come to other uses as well. |
| 13:21:02 | pondlife | Paul_The_Nerd: : cheers |
| 13:22:02 | tucoz | aliask, you can check todays built player/recorder/recorderv2fm/h1xx/nano/video/mini manuals in the "The Rockbox interface"-section. |
| 13:22:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: how about darkish-brown with a glow surrounding it? i can absolutely not find any light-red shade that works here.. the optimal solution would be to shorten it, but i don't think "dev" would be as descriptive. |
| 13:24:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, dev wouldn't be as descriptive. I can't picture the dark brown in my head, so show me. :-P |
| 13:24:31 | midkay | haha. it hardly looks brown :) just about to upload what i have.. |
| 13:24:46 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4892/rockboxdev3ky9.gif |
| 13:25:06 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: 'Lear' should get a dev badge |
| 13:25:20 | midkay | it doesn't look similar to the others yet it's very readable.. i can't really come up with anything better. |
| 13:26:00 | Mikachu | can't you make it taller and write developer under the logo? |
| 13:26:15 | midkay | no, they should all be the same size.. |
| 13:26:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | We *could* move to the a new size. |
| 13:26:29 | midkay | red is still kind of hard to see, light red that is.. |
| 13:26:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd require remaking all of them. |
| 13:26:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that'd give some more freedom with readability, and such. |
| 13:26:53 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i wouldn't mind.. i thought this was kind of a restriction, when you were very specific about the size when i first made these. |
| 13:27:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The restriction was based on the height of the stars we had before. |
| 13:27:07 | midkay | yeah, not overlapping the logo.. |
| 13:27:10 | midkay | ah.. |
| 13:27:21 | midkay | well, i could put together a taller Developer badge to see how it looks. |
| 13:27:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't want the Moderator Stars to be any shorter or taller than the badges |
| 13:27:49 | midkay | ah, i see.. now that we're all badges, though.. |
| 13:27:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now that we're dropping the badges altogether, we can pick an arbitrary height and width (though I think we're almost at maximum width) |
| 13:28:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Err dropping the stars altogether |
| 13:28:03 | midkay | 80x20 currently.. what about like 80x30? |
| 13:28:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really wouldn't even object to 80x40, as long as it ends up looking nice and readable. |
| 13:28:41 | hotwire_ | amiconn: okay... i could use a really small template in that case, just to be sure. |
| 13:28:41 | tucoz | Question: The buttons on the h300 has a '+' and a '-' print on them. Should these be renamed to Plus and Minus in the manual? (It is now Up and Down) |
| 13:28:43 | midkay | cool, i'll see what works.. |
| 13:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Sorry for the slow response. I'll get to that now |
| 13:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Done |
| 13:30:00 | hotwire_ | the other problem is that while at the present I have keys assigned to the various iriver remotes, there is no way of identifying which remote is in use in the simulator... and this is something i can't attack, lacking intricate knowledge of the sim, nor time. |
| 13:30:48 | tucoz | Anyone with a H300 around? |
| 13:31:09 | petur | yes |
| 13:31:21 | tucoz | What key is the one to the left hand side (next to the display) |
| 13:31:32 | tucoz | similar on the right hand side |
| 13:31:36 | petur | none |
| 13:31:42 | tucoz | microphone? |
| 13:31:46 | petur | yes |
| 13:31:48 | pixelma | tucoz: it's not a key it's the microphone |
| 13:32:03 | pixelma | on the right hand it's the hold switch |
| 13:32:03 | tucoz | the one on the right then? |
| 13:32:07 | tucoz | ah. thanks |
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| 13:35:27 | amiconn | hotwire_: I was thinking about doing it like that: |
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| 13:42:49 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6206/rockboxdev4jv5.gif |
| 13:43:03 | midkay | what do you think? |
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| 13:44:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe left align developer and shorten the box as a whole? They don't need to be 80 wide any more either, they can be shorter. |
| 13:45:05 | aliask | And the word developer looks a little blurry, but it may be my eyes |
| 13:45:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only constraint we're working with now, really, is that A) they need to not be huge, and B) they all need to share the same dimensions, whatever we choose. |
| 13:45:47 | midkay | aliask: it's slightly shadowed, i'll try to give it more contrast. |
| 13:45:58 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: understood, let me try that.. |
| 13:46:12 | midkay | I tried centering the logo but it looks awful. left-aligning the text might be the answer. |
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| 13:48:08 | Crackerizer | hello, all. |
| 13:48:19 | Crackerizer | what is needed to build a uisim? |
| 13:49:00 | Bagder | a native gcc and build environment |
| 13:49:03 | Bagder | sdl |
| 13:49:45 | LinusN | and a clue |
| 13:49:45 | Crackerizer | i have to build sdl too? |
| 13:49:47 | Bagder | Crackerizer: you tried and failed, or why are you asking? |
| 13:50:09 | Bagder | Crackerizer: build it or download it, yes |
| 13:50:11 | Crackerizer | yep, i tried. I seems like i need the sdl lib. |
| 13:50:25 | LinusN | Crackerizer: windows or linux? |
| 13:50:36 | firenx | ugh i get this error with rockdoom.. you cannot - with the shareware version? |
| 13:50:37 | petur | copy the sdl.lib to the folder where the exe is |
| 13:50:50 | Crackerizer | linux |
| 13:51:01 | * | petur was talking win32 :/ |
| 13:51:06 | Bagder | Crackerizer: then get your distros sdl-devel package |
| 13:51:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | firenx: Yes, you cannot use addons with a shareware base wad. |
| 13:51:21 | Crackerizer | ok, thanks you. I'll try. |
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| 13:51:34 | firenx | so i need .. a different base1.wad? |
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| 13:52:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | You need to either use Freedoom as a base wad, or buy a retail copy of Doom or Doom2 and use that |
| 13:52:09 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: alright, now 66x30, new font, less blurry: http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3313/rockboxdev5ty8.gif |
| 13:52:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like it. |
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| 13:52:48 | fergie | just checking if there is ay development on the USB/Charger detection for iPod? |
| 13:53:09 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: so good template to work off of? alrighty :) |
| 13:53:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | In my opinion, yes. |
| 13:53:39 | encode | can i follow the linux guide for building rockbox on os x? |
| 13:53:48 | midkay | no other conceivable tweaks?! |
| 13:53:58 | Bagder | encode: yeps, it should work |
| 13:53:59 | Crackerizer | I looked at some rockbox's codes today. It's very complex and a lot of global variables. |
| 13:54:18 | Bagder | "very complex" ? |
| 13:54:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Not that I can think of. |
| 13:54:40 | Crackerizer | I mean it's quite complicated. |
| 13:54:56 | Bagder | parts of it might be a bit advanced, sure |
| 13:55:19 | Bagder | but have a look in linux and compare |
| 13:55:28 | Bagder | Rockbox is easy after that |
| 13:55:54 | perplexity | rockbox is well compartmentalised and quite easy to read/understand.. I think anyway |
| 13:56:18 | * | amiconn hopes to commit assemblerised lcd_yuv_blit() for h300 tonight |
| 13:56:28 | encode | its a shame all the ipod works relies on reverse engineering |
| 13:56:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is it working yet? |
| 13:56:51 | amiconn | Based on jhMikeS X5 version, which I am planning to tweak a bit as well |
| 13:57:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but I had to change it a bit |
| 13:57:18 | linuxstb | What sort of speed improvement is there? |
| 13:57:40 | amiconn | Direclty converting to RGB565 doesn't work well. Results in a greenish image due to roundoff errors |
| 13:57:58 | firenx | Paul_The_Nerd: can i set any wad as the base wad? or do i need the doom registered as base wad? |
| 13:58:07 | amiconn | So I'll convert to RGB666, then drop one bit from R and B |
| 13:58:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | firenx: As I said, you need either Freedoom, or commercial versions of Doom or Doom 2 |
| 13:59:02 | Crackerizer | today is my first time looking at the codes. I think i need to spend sometime to understand the structure of the codes. |
| 13:59:03 | firenx | oh freedoom, ok |
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| 14:01:33 | * | dwihno took a look at the topic. Great idea! |
| 14:02:50 | Bagder | africa is empty still |
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| 14:03:40 | petur | the nordsea has one member ;) |
| 14:03:52 | Bagder | and it seems eastcoasters in the US are more Rockboxish than the westcoasters |
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| 14:05:15 | * | dan_a is proud to represent "people in the middle of the Irish Sea" |
| 14:06:03 | * | Bagder detects 2 red dots in the Stockholm area |
| 14:07:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is proud to represent "One of two people in Texas" |
| 14:08:46 | XavierGr | Paul: who is the second? |
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| 14:09:12 | XavierGr | Pail: Jeff from MR is from Texas too (IIRC) |
| 14:09:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy I believe. |
| 14:09:21 | * | perplexity represents one of two in the middle east |
| 14:09:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm from the good part of Texas, though. |
| 14:09:37 | Bagder | haha |
| 14:09:51 | petur | no bushes around? |
| 14:09:53 | petur | :p |
| 14:09:59 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 14:10:10 | pondlife | Paul_The_Nerd: would that be Austin? |
| 14:10:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | pondlife: Aye |
| 14:10:43 | pondlife | Hmm, I didn't actually know that. it was a guess... based on the 13th Floor Elevators back catalogue |
| 14:11:12 | amiconn | tucoz: What's the change to the associated .png in cvs? Doesn't look like you removed it, as I would have expected... |
| 14:11:22 | pondlife | I'm surprised how few UK users are on the map. I must pester some of the ones I know. |
| 14:11:38 | Bagder | well, there are ~200 on the map |
| 14:11:44 | Bagder | we have >5000 in the forum |
| 14:11:51 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 14:12:04 | Bagder | so there's room for some more ;-) |
| 14:12:10 | XavierGr | and the forum is quite active I must say |
| 14:12:22 | Bagder | insanely so |
| 14:12:49 | tucoz | amiconn, that is because we need a .png for the html manual |
| 14:12:49 | pondlife | Maybe put a link to the map from the Rockbox homepage? At least for a while.... |
| 14:12:58 | Bagder | good idea |
| 14:13:21 | pondlife | Is it actually hosted by Google? |
| 14:13:21 | tucoz | amiconn, but the updated .png is based on the new .svg versions |
| 14:13:36 | pondlife | i.e. bandwidth isn't going to hurt Rasher? |
| 14:14:15 | Bagder | yes, the map stuff is google's |
| 14:14:58 | Bagder | yday was "11 months since 2.5 day" |
| 14:18:53 | Febs_ | I'm contemplating removing all of the content of the WikiManual and replacing it with cross links to the html manual. |
| 14:19:47 | amiconn | tucoz: Can't you just use the .svg for the html manual |
| 14:19:49 | amiconn | ? |
| 14:20:05 | dionoea_work | do all browsers support svg ? (i guess so) |
| 14:20:13 | amiconn | Firefox displays svg just fine, and afaik there is a plugin for Internet Exploder |
| 14:20:15 | Febs_ | The html manual is as up-to-date as we can make it short of another feature freeze, while the WikiManual is falling further and further out of date. |
| 14:20:17 | dionoea_work | maybe not IE 5.5 ... but who cares ? |
| 14:20:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs_: I think this would be a Good Thing. Bu that's just me. |
| 14:20:19 | tucoz | I am not sure why. bluebrother had an explanation to why we can not do taht right now |
| 14:20:25 | amiconn | (from Adobe) |
| 14:20:30 | tucoz | I think it has to do with htlatex |
| 14:20:32 | dionoea_work | amiconn: i though that IE 6 support was native |
| 14:20:38 | dionoea_work | i can check here if you want |
| 14:20:48 | dionoea_work | i only need a svg to test with :) |
| 14:21:26 | tucoz | that is, the html generator does not support vector formats iirc |
| 14:21:50 | amiconn | Ah, hmm.... :/ |
| 14:23:04 | pondlife | LinusN: The problem on the ML probably refers to ID3 view. tree.c, set_current_file() doesn't support the tagtree. |
| 14:23:19 | dionoea_work | looks like IE 6 doesn't like svgs by default either |
| 14:23:32 | dionoea_work | maybe if i embed them in a webpage ... |
| 14:24:09 | * | Lear is contemplating going dual core... |
| 14:24:47 | dionoea_work | doesn't work in a webpage too |
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| 14:26:55 | amiconn | dionoea: http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html |
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| 14:28:11 | LinusN | pondlife: if so, the poster should mention that he uses the tag database mode |
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| 14:30:08 | pondlife | Well, that's a bug I noticed a while back, but I'll let him confirm.... |
| 14:30:25 | pondlife | One of those you notice then forget as you're so excited about tagcache |
| 14:31:15 | LinusN | the wiki manual should be removed imho |
| 14:31:30 | pondlife | Yes, rather than being left to rot. |
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| 14:31:47 | pondlife | There are also quite a few out of date wiki pages... |
| 14:31:53 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 14:32:17 | LinusN | like the "iriver for noobs" stuff etc |
| 14:32:43 | pondlife | About 50% of the wiki maybe..? ;-) |
| 14:32:59 | Bagder | pondlife: you've got mail ;-) |
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| 14:33:14 | pondlife | Bagder: you will have soon too |
| 14:33:25 | petur | hehe |
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| 14:34:14 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone know the resolution of the H10 LCD? |
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| 14:34:29 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: yes 160x128 and 128x128 |
| 14:34:34 | Bagder | iirc |
| 14:35:03 | XavierGr | 2 resolutions? |
| 14:35:09 | Bagder | two different ones, yes |
| 14:35:15 | XavierGr | how se? |
| 14:35:16 | Bagder | the 5/6 GB has a smaller one |
| 14:35:16 | XavierGr | so |
| 14:35:20 | XavierGr | ah |
| 14:35:27 | Bagder | the 20GB a bigger |
| 14:35:35 | * | amiconn wonders why both are called H10 when they're in fact different things |
| 14:35:40 | Bagder | iriver also ships different firmwwares |
| 14:35:40 | amiconn | Confussing |
| 14:35:54 | Bagder | indeed |
| 14:35:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1739 of our forum members have never posted... |
| 14:36:05 | petur | wow |
| 14:36:07 | amiconn | Iirc there's even a 'H10 junior' which is flash based (!) |
| 14:36:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 14:36:20 | Bagder | amiconn: they must like the name H10 very much! ;-) |
| 14:36:42 | Genre9mp3 | 128x128 is a weird resolution IMO |
| 14:37:00 | XavierGr | tell that to iriver |
| 14:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: It was right before they decided that nearly everything needs to have 10 in its name |
| 14:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's now, what, H10, E10, U10, N10, T10 and D10? |
| 14:38:18 | Bagder | yeah, those guys like 10 |
| 14:38:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the T-series has a 20 and 30, the N has an 11 and 12 |
| 14:38:30 | Bagder | those must be mistakes |
| 14:38:35 | Bagder | they should be cancelled |
| 14:38:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clearly |
| 14:39:49 | Genre9mp3 | Hehe...it seems that they get very inspired with the namings at iriver |
| 14:40:30 | pi | I still want to know what hapens wheen they rum out of letters |
| 14:40:52 | dan_a | Then they release the 1010 |
| 14:41:17 | pondlife | Maybe it's binary? |
| 14:41:23 | pi | or go to the greek alphabet |
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| 14:41:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, post-based membergroups are now a thing of the past. |
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| 14:41:37 | pondlife | So H1 -> H10 -> H11-> H100 |
| 14:42:05 | Genre9mp3 | H1 lol |
| 14:42:31 | pondlife | Or the H00000000000000000000000000000001 as it should be called |
| 14:42:31 | Bagder | since they already had h100 and h10 they must be going for h1 soon |
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| 14:42:35 | Bagder | rotate right |
| 14:42:44 | Genre9mp3 | or the H0,1 |
| 14:43:22 | Bagder | "there are 10 kinds of people..." |
| 14:43:55 | pondlife | please, no... |
| 14:43:55 | Genre9mp3 | "those who understand binary and those who don't..." |
| 14:43:59 | pondlife | Aaaaargh. |
| 14:44:01 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
| 14:44:01 | * | pi smirks |
| 14:44:16 | * | dan_a wonders where the H320 fits into all this |
| 14:44:22 | pondlife | Octal? |
| 14:44:33 | pondlife | Or maybe H is for hex |
| 14:44:34 | * | LinusN once had to go great lengths to try to explain that joke to a friend |
| 14:44:40 | Bagder | haha |
| 14:44:42 | petur | the h340 certainly fits nowhere, it's a bit big ;) |
| 14:44:50 | * | pondlife had to too... hence the remarks above |
| 14:45:11 | perplexity | Speaking of h3x0.. <whispers> bootloader.. |
| 14:45:17 | pondlife | petur: My new H340 is smaller than my old Archos Recorder... |
| 14:45:24 | pondlife | Ah, yes - USB anyone? |
| 14:45:31 | Mikachu | there are 10 kinds of people, those who understand trinary, those who don't, and those who confuse it with binary |
| 14:45:41 | pondlife | LOL |
| 14:46:33 | * | Bagder drowns in virus mails |
| 14:46:50 | * | pondlife didn't send them |
| 14:46:58 | pondlife | hopefully |
| 14:46:58 | LinusN | the bootloader usb mode is a problem for me, because it works for me on all my computers |
| 14:47:29 | pondlife | Is there anything us poor failure cases can do to help diagnose? |
| 14:47:36 | perplexity | Ok, what about the remote detection and booting into rockbox when external power is applied ? |
| 14:47:54 | LinusN | perplexity: those are a bit easier |
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| 14:48:24 | pi | i wish i could halp you, because my bootlodar usb dosn't |
| 14:48:29 | pondlife | Better to get the current one working properly before adding code paths? |
| 14:48:31 | LinusN | the ext-power thing is somewhat problematic, since we then need to implement a charging screen in the boot loader |
| 14:48:33 | perplexity | To be honest, the bootloader failure is 100% reproducible for me on all my machines, but I just don't find it an issue to wait the extra 8 seconds for rockbox to boot before I plug it in |
| 14:48:50 | pondlife | Same here, but it should work |
| 14:48:54 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:48:56 | perplexity | can't just have it boot rockbox? it charges while it's running anyway.. |
| 14:49:22 | LinusN | no, because there might not be enough battery to spin up the disk to load rockbox |
| 14:49:30 | pi | perplexity:it is just annoying when i forget to turn it on first |
| 14:49:36 | * | pondlife wonders how many others use the sim as their main PC media player... |
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| 14:49:50 | Genre9mp3 | bootloader USB mode never works for me, too |
| 14:49:53 | linuxstb | Just flash Rockbox, then you can forget about it... |
| 14:49:57 | perplexity | Oh, and you need rockbox loaded to enable the charger I guess.. |
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| 14:50:20 | pi | pondlife: i did concider it for a we bit |
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| 14:50:40 | preglow | it doesn't work here... |
| 14:50:41 | pondlife | pi: So you can be testing while you work... |
| 14:50:51 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: I'm happy with my foobar2000 |
| 14:50:54 | tucoz | markun, around? what is the program you created the logo called? |
| 14:51:14 | pi | unfortunatly i have yet to sucsefuly compile the sim myself |
| 14:51:22 | pi | i keep getting errors |
| 14:52:01 | pondlife | I wonder if there's mileage in making daily sim builds available? Useful for testing maybe... |
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| 14:52:10 | XavierGr | USB Bootloader mode doesn't work for me too! |
| 14:52:23 | perplexity | The Iriver firmware boots fully here when I apply ext-power, it only drops to charge only mode on idle timeout or manual shutdown.. |
| 14:52:40 | XavierGr | And I've seen that many users have the same problem |
| 14:52:48 | XavierGr | it is quite strange though |
| 14:53:06 | pondlife | bootloader.c - if (strcmp(username, "LinusN") == 0) do_usb() |
| 14:53:09 | XavierGr | why would the H300 be recognized from the main firmware and not in the bootloader? |
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| 14:53:27 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: LOL |
| 14:53:27 | LinusN | pondlife: :-) |
| 14:53:30 | XavierGr | hhaha |
| 14:53:37 | pondlife | Does it work for anyone else then? |
| 14:54:20 | petur | works fine here |
| 14:54:39 | perplexity | I have 4 different machines and it fails on all of them here.. |
| 14:54:40 | pondlife | petur: Where did you buy your H300? |
| 14:54:51 | pondlife | Which country? |
| 14:55:14 | petur | the Belgian branch of a Dutch internet store |
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| 14:55:37 | pondlife | OK. Was it using European firmware then? |
| 14:55:44 | petur | yes |
| 14:55:46 | pondlife | OK |
| 14:55:49 | pondlife | So was mine :( |
| 14:55:55 | pondlife | So not that then |
| 14:56:50 | pondlife | Weird how it seems to be either "works on all PCs" or "works on no PCs". i.e. it's device-dependent (or maybe cable dependent?) |
| 14:57:29 | pi | i have tryed with different cables, no difference |
| 14:57:36 | petur | I have another issue, being that at work RB stays in usb mode when detached. Only when plugging it via the hub of a dell monitor. It's related to the way the original firmware is configured regarding powered hub (ie usb charging) |
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| 14:57:58 | wow | hi |
| 14:58:01 | perplexity | LinusN: per the ext-power, why can't we do what the iRiver firmware does.. boot rockbox fully, if it idle times out or is manually shut down just close most of rockbox down, spin down the disk and sit in a charging screen until the power is removed, when we then completely power off ? no addition to the bootloader required |
| 14:58:26 | pondlife | Well that needs the bootloader to handle charging anyway |
| 14:58:31 | LinusN | perplexity: and what to do when the battery is so low that we can't boot? |
| 14:59:00 | LinusN | remember, the iriver firmware boots from flash, rockbox boots from disk |
| 14:59:01 | perplexity | right, so the bootloader has to enable the charger? details I'm obviously hazy on.. |
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| 15:00:08 | LinusN | it's not a complicated issue, it's just a tiny bit more complicated than just always boot rockbox when the external power is connected |
| 15:00:32 | perplexity | I see.. |
| 15:00:44 | wow | is there an rockbox port of elio p722 ? |
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| 15:01:18 | markun | tucoz: autotrace + sodipodi |
| 15:01:28 | Bagder | wow: no |
| 15:01:37 | Bagder | wow: unless you start one |
| 15:01:38 | tucoz | markun, ok. thanks |
| 15:02:03 | wow | bagder : i would like to start one |
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| 15:02:18 | Bagder | wow: well, its a PP based player so mi4code is your friend |
| 15:02:29 | Bagder | it is likely to be similar to existing targets |
| 15:03:03 | wow | on the mi4code page is an file for the elio |
| 15:03:09 | wow | but is crypted |
| 15:03:13 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:03:23 | Bagder | so use mi4code to decrypt it |
| 15:04:01 | wow | if I decrypt it wich progamming language will it be ? |
| 15:04:19 | LinusN | assembler |
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| 15:04:28 | wow | ok |
| 15:04:33 | Bagder | wow raw binary for the PP |
| 15:05:25 | BHSPitLappy | eh? |
| 15:06:47 | wow | but an bootloader do not exists ? |
| 15:06:47 | wow | for the elio ? |
| 15:07:22 | amiconn | Bootloader USB always works for me, but there's the nasty 'clack' |
| 15:07:22 | Bagder | wow: download a firmware package from their site and you'll get one iirc |
| 15:07:46 | Bagder | wow: I believe its called bootloader.rom or similar |
| 15:07:54 | Bg3r | LinusN: regarding hxxx bootloaders... what about displaying the text on the remote too ? |
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| 15:08:08 | Bagder | wow: but one of those firmwares are decryptable even without BL |
| 15:08:51 | pondlife | Hmm, can anyone explain what plugin.lds does? |
| 15:09:16 | pondlife | I'm wondering if playback.c should have the same definitions of IRAM size/origin as plugin.lds does. |
| 15:09:16 | LinusN | Bg3r: that should be done too |
| 15:10:17 | amiconn | pondlife: Surely not |
| 15:10:32 | pondlife | e.g for X5, plugin.lds specifies IRAM starts at 0x10014000, but playback.c will use a different value |
| 15:10:42 | amiconn | The core uses one half of the available iram, codecs/plugins the other half |
| 15:10:45 | pondlife | Aha |
| 15:10:54 | pondlife | So they should be different then... |
| 15:11:04 | pondlife | But sometimes they are the same! |
| 15:11:05 | * | petur runs off for a while |
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| 15:11:42 | pondlife | IRiver has IRAMORIG 0x1000c000 for both for example.. |
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| 15:14:40 | wow | Bagder i don't think im able to port or even modificate the elio firmware |
| 15:15:12 | daurnimator | Bagder: whats the latest on neuros? |
| 15:15:13 | Bagder | wow: using the h3mod you should be able to modify the pics if that's your game |
| 15:15:35 | Bagder | daurnimator: Zagor got an OSD dev board |
| 15:15:41 | daurnimator | i saw |
| 15:15:46 | daurnimator | (on groups) |
| 15:15:49 | Bagder | yeah |
| 15:15:52 | Bagder | that's the latest |
| 15:16:16 | daurnimator | whats the likelyhood of rockbox running on it IYO |
| 15:16:40 | Zagor | pretty big, if anyone wants to do it |
| 15:16:44 | Bagder | it should be fairly straight forward once someone actually tries to do it |
| 15:17:10 | Bagder | and then, the gmini400 port should be a walk in the park :-) |
| 15:17:16 | daurnimator | 402 |
| 15:17:19 | daurnimator | 400 is diff arch |
| 15:17:19 | daurnimator | :P |
| 15:17:27 | wow | Bagder: the pics in the firmware ? |
| 15:17:29 | Bagder | only shows how clueless I am |
| 15:17:47 | Bagder | wow: yes |
| 15:17:48 | wow | or the pics in the rockbox ? |
| 15:17:57 | Bagder | there is no rockbox for elio p722 |
| 15:18:12 | wow | i know |
| 15:18:22 | Bagder | wow: go get h3mod, load your mi4 file and start poking about |
| 15:18:26 | wow | ;) |
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| 15:19:20 | daurnimator | oh |
| 15:19:21 | daurnimator | btw |
| 15:19:23 | LinusN | pondlife: hmmm, i think you're on to something |
| 15:19:28 | daurnimator | i should probably work on my port more |
| 15:19:38 | daurnimator | but - i'm busy this week |
| 15:19:41 | daurnimator | its a slow process |
| 15:19:42 | daurnimator | :P |
| 15:19:51 | amiconn | pondlife: The core should use IRAMORIG 0x10000000 on both irivers and X5, and codecs/plugins should have IRAMORIG 0x1000c000 for irivers and 0x10014000 for X5 |
| 15:20:23 | amiconn | The MCF5249 has 96KB of IRAM, split evenly between core and codecs/plugins |
| 15:20:35 | Bagder | we should probably change that to have the same ORIG but a "COREUSESTHISMUCHIRAM" define |
| 15:20:47 | LinusN | playback.c uses 0x1000c000 for both iriver and x5!!!!! |
| 15:20:51 | amiconn | The SCF5250 has 128KB of IRAM, of which 80KB can be used by the core and 48KB by the codecs/plugins |
| 15:21:04 | LinusN | no wonder the x5 crowd has problems with voice on x5 |
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| 15:21:31 | amiconn | LinusN: Ouch! Iirc that value is for the codec swap - and it means codec swap doesn't work properly... |
| 15:21:37 | LinusN | exactly |
| 15:22:03 | LinusN | those defines should be in the config.h files |
| 15:22:19 | pondlife | This explains a crash I'm looking into then |
| 15:23:24 | pondlife | I'll leave this one to someone who actually understands it. |
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| 15:23:52 | wow | bagder thx for help, but I think the modification of the firmware is a bit to difficult for me |
| 15:25:21 | wow | cu @ll :) |
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| 15:27:12 | fergie | just checking if there is any development on the USB/Charger detection for iPod? The faster drainign than charging issue? |
| 15:27:36 | * | pondlife lunches |
| 15:29:29 | Mmmm | How do I use gdb on a sim build? I choose Devel, Debug, Sim and it just freezes "simulator build enabled" |
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| 15:35:09 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, I noticed that the X5 uses the old conservative ATA timings, while the irivers use the faster timings. Did you find the time to check whether the fast timings stay within specs? |
| 15:35:25 | LinusN | no i didn't find the time |
| 15:35:29 | * | amiconn wants to complete the speed settings table |
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| 15:49:59 | amiconn | LinusN: The strange thing about the ata timings is that when I calculate them given the rules in the datasheet, I get what I've put in system.c |
| 15:50:24 | amiconn | But they don't match the 'typical' values also quoted in the datasheet... |
| 15:50:25 | LinusN | i think those rules are plain wrong |
| 15:50:44 | amiconn | But the calculated values work |
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| 15:51:10 | amiconn | I don't know of any problem caused by these |
| 15:51:28 | amiconn | I should probably compare with the SCF5250 datasheet |
| 15:52:17 | LinusN | amiconn: i meant that the typical values are wrong |
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| 16:16:36 | barrywardell | i'm going to try getting sound working on the H10 |
| 16:16:53 | dionoea_work | did you get yours back ? |
| 16:17:00 | barrywardell | I'm told it will probably be identical to the ipod |
| 16:17:19 | barrywardell | so can anyone point me in the right direction to look in the rockbox code? |
| 16:17:28 | barrywardell | dionea_work: i got a new one |
| 16:17:35 | dionoea_work | for free ? |
| 16:18:11 | barrywardell | no. iriver wanted to charge €140 to repair it |
| 16:18:12 | amiconn | barrywardell: Do you already know what audio codec/dac the H10 uses? |
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| 16:18:18 | dionoea_work | ouch |
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| 16:18:24 | amiconn | barrywardell: Do you already know what audio codec/dac the H10 uses? |
| 16:18:42 | barrywardell | amiconn. it uses the same on as the ipod |
| 16:18:48 | barrywardell | wm8731 i think |
| 16:18:51 | amiconn | There is no _the_ same |
| 16:19:02 | amiconn | Differend ipods use different codces/dacs |
| 16:19:13 | barrywardell | sorry, the same as the ipod mini |
| 16:19:20 | barrywardell | 1st generation |
| 16:19:52 | amiconn | Codecs used in ipods: WM8711/8721/8731 (identical software-wise, except the first 2 have no recording), WM8758 and WM8975 |
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| 16:20:18 | amiconn | Okay, then it's the WM8711/21/31 family |
| 16:20:19 | barrywardell | it's definitely wm8731 |
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| 16:21:27 | merbanan_ | barrywardell: wasn't the player covered by warranty ? |
| 16:22:16 | dan_a | barrywardell: Have a look in pcm_playback.c - I've not got a full grasp on how it works, but I think that's where data is fed to the CODEC when the CODEC asks for it |
| 16:22:26 | barrywardell | no. "The HDD within the device is defective and needs to be replaced. The device has been altered by a third party." |
| 16:22:31 | amiconn | The driver is in firmware/drivers/wm8731l.c |
| 16:22:35 | barrywardell | "Due to the fact of contributory negligence, the repair of the player is not covered by warranty." |
| 16:22:50 | dionoea_work | device has been altered ... software ? |
| 16:22:55 | dionoea_work | or did you do hardware mods ? |
| 16:23:16 | barrywardell | dan_a: so hopefully i can find a function there to feed audio data direct to the codec |
| 16:23:40 | barrywardell | no hardware alterations, but I did open it to determine the hardware |
| 16:24:32 | dionoea_work | did you ask them about what they called alterations ? (just curious :p ... can software modifications void the waranty btw ?) |
| 16:24:34 | dan_a | I think that is what the FIQ handler does |
| 16:24:44 | Mikachu | dionoea_work: opening it does anyway |
| 16:25:05 | dionoea_work | not if you keep the little sticker :) although that might be hard to do |
| 16:25:42 | dan_a | (BTW, I'm bidding on a faulty H10 on ebay, so with luck I might be able to join in the fun) |
| 16:25:49 | amiconn | barrywardell: I think you just need to include the mentioned driver |
| 16:26:35 | barrywardell | i have defined HAVE_WM8731 |
| 16:26:54 | barrywardell | so I think that should include the driver for the codec |
| 16:27:37 | barrywardell | dan_a: great. I think iriver will send my broken h10. if they do, you can use any parts from it you need |
| 16:28:07 | markun | barrywardell: I'm working on the wolfson codes a bit because the gigabeat also uses one |
| 16:29:19 | markun | barrywardell: perhaps you can take a look at it: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/wmcodec.patch |
| 16:30:15 | barrywardell | markun: I'll look at that patch. What changes does it make? |
| 16:30:48 | dan_a | barrywardell: Thank you - it's the charging that's not working, so it should be fine for testing and development. I'll only get it if the price doesn't go too high though! |
| 16:30:50 | markun | it moves the hardware specific code to a seperate file |
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| 16:42:49 | dan_a | barrywardell: Do you know how to use the I2S yet? Is that the same as the iPod? If so, audio might work already |
| 16:43:53 | barrywardell | I think it is the same as the ipod |
| 16:44:20 | barrywardell | I think you are right that audio might work already, but have to figure the whole I2S thing out |
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| 16:49:23 | barrywardell | MrH says the audio codec interface of the H10 is very likely to be the same I2C+I2S interface the ipod uses |
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| 16:58:58 | saratoga | i have questions about profiling support |
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| 16:59:09 | saratoga | could someone help me out? |
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| 16:59:58 | jhMikeS | Are all the SWCODEC players with tuners able to record radio? I want to simplify my #ifdefs. |
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| 17:01:17 | Bagder | even if the current situation is like that, it doesn't sound like an assumption that will hold forever |
| 17:01:48 | Bagder | and I'm not sure if the current situation is so |
| 17:02:07 | jhMikeS | Didn't audio_set_recording_gain(sound_default(SOUND_LEFT_GAIN), |
| 17:02:07 | jhMikeS | sound_default(SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN), AUDIO_GAIN_LINEIN); |
| 17:02:07 | jhMikeS | pm_playback = true; |
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| 17:02:07 | jhMikeS | peak_meter_enabled = false; |
| 17:02:07 | jhMikeS | that's why I ask cause I didn't assume that |
| 17:02:12 | jhMikeS | wft? |
| 17:02:43 | jhMikeS | :D *big time laughing* |
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| 17:03:17 | * | jhMikeS somehow inadvertently pasted something |
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| 17:03:23 | Mikachu | so |
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| 17:03:32 | Mikachu | i put -mno-long-calls in the Makefile in apps/codecs/Tremor |
| 17:03:34 | Mikachu | and it compiled |
| 17:03:45 | Mikachu | 106196 2006-08-23 17:02 apps/codecs/vorbis.codec |
| 17:03:50 | Mikachu | 99900 2006-08-23 17:01 apps/codecs/vorbis.codec |
| 17:03:59 | Mikachu | before and after, contrary to the timestamps |
| 17:04:05 | Mikachu | (on ipod nano) |
| 17:04:10 | Mikachu | and it's playing music happily |
| 17:05:18 | Bagder | neat |
| 17:05:30 | Mikachu | i don't know if it will explode if i try to do something else? |
| 17:05:45 | Bagder | only if there's code in iram |
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| 17:06:02 | Bagder | afaiu |
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| 17:06:29 | Mikachu | ah, iram isn't used for tremor on ipods |
| 17:06:38 | preglow | oh? |
| 17:06:48 | Mikachu | let me try that again |
| 17:06:53 | Mikachu | iram isn't used for code on ipods |
| 17:07:10 | preglow | i'd really love to see that long call problem fixed |
| 17:07:18 | preglow | it's annoying |
| 17:07:22 | Bagder | so why do we still need the long calls again? |
| 17:07:26 | preglow | iram code |
| 17:07:31 | Mikachu | only one function or two needed to be un-icoded to let you enable icode |
| 17:07:40 | Mikachu | but i didn't notice any performance improvement |
| 17:07:56 | Bagder | ah right, I recall linuxstb measuring some little speed diff |
| 17:07:57 | preglow | Bagder: also, on 64 megabyte models, the plugin and codec plugin ram areas are past +32 megabytes |
| 17:08:06 | Mikachu | does iram code outweigh long calls on ipods? i thought it only mattered for data |
| 17:08:17 | Bagder | well, the plugin ram area could easily be moved |
| 17:08:26 | preglow | it matters _a bit_ for code, but not much at all |
| 17:08:30 | preglow | Bagder: how? |
| 17:08:43 | Mikachu | can't you get gcc to only use long calls when jumping between iram and normal ram? |
| 17:08:55 | preglow | Mikachu: it's difficult, apparently |
| 17:09:00 | Bagder | preglow: by editing the .lds file and fitting it somewhere near the start of memory |
| 17:09:02 | Mikachu | yeah i guessed :) |
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| 17:09:18 | dan_a | Mikachu, preglow: AFAIU IRAM code might have a bigger effect on 3G iPods than others |
| 17:09:21 | preglow | Bagder: i suggested that, and amiconn protested, saying it'd break plugin comatability between rockbox compiles |
| 17:09:26 | Mikachu | i tried to disable icode globally for fun but it's hardcoded in lots of places in firmware/* |
| 17:09:27 | preglow | Bagder: which it does, but i'm not really sure how much i care |
| 17:09:46 | Bagder | preglow: but both 32 and 64 could have them in the same spot |
| 17:09:50 | Bagder | and besides |
| 17:09:59 | preglow | Bagder: yes, but the address would change everytime we added/removed code |
| 17:10:00 | Bagder | I'd rather support 64MB than have them binary compatible |
| 17:10:07 | Mikachu | is it really that hard to recompile? |
| 17:10:16 | Bagder | preglow: not necesarily if we set it at a fixed address like 0x200 |
| 17:10:29 | preglow | Bagder: true, but that would mean wasting some bytes somewhere :) |
| 17:10:40 | Bagder | yeah, but only very few |
| 17:10:44 | preglow | Bagder: but yeah, i'd really, really like that |
| 17:10:53 | preglow | Bagder: all code and data in the same area of ram |
| 17:10:55 | preglow | plus the iram issue |
| 17:10:56 | amiconn | The question is how that would work |
| 17:11:03 | preglow | but that narrows it down fairly well |
| 17:11:11 | amiconn | The plugin buffer size is fixed, so the waste is fixed |
| 17:11:31 | amiconn | But if you put the plugin buffer behind rockbox, the address will vary with binary size |
| 17:11:32 | Mikachu | are long calls only bigger, or slower as well? |
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| 17:11:50 | preglow | amiconn: he suggested putting it _before_ rockbox |
| 17:11:55 | preglow | in which case it shouldn't |
| 17:12:03 | preglow | Mikachu: both |
| 17:12:16 | Bagder | yes, it should be first in memory, I mean as early as it can without interfering |
| 17:12:17 | amiconn | preglow: How would you put it *before* |
| 17:12:17 | Mikachu | so in the meantime, we could put -mno-long-calls in tremor? |
| 17:12:18 | amiconn | ? |
| 17:12:24 | Mikachu | (for ipods) |
| 17:12:25 | preglow | Mikachu: a long call is three instructions, totalling 16 bytes |
| 17:12:26 | amiconn | The vectors are part of the image |
| 17:12:36 | amiconn | ..so 0x200 is *within*, not before |
| 17:12:47 | Bagder | so what? |
| 17:12:56 | amiconn | Then the question arises how to load that thing |
| 17:13:01 | Bagder | why is 0x200 or 0x100 or 0x60 vad? |
| 17:13:03 | Bagder | bad |
| 17:13:19 | Bagder | gm |
| 17:13:22 | Bagder | hm even |
| 17:13:36 | Bagder | you'd either get a huge binary or we'd have to update the loader |
| 17:13:36 | preglow | Mikachu: and yeah, a short call is one instruction, 4 bytes |
| 17:13:39 | amiconn | Either we need to bloat the binary with 1MB of zeroes, or we need to relocate one part of the binary |
| 17:14:07 | Bagder | if we make it load compressed files, 1MB of zeroes won't be that bad! ;-P |
| 17:14:08 | preglow | but anyway, this might not be an issue |
| 17:14:17 | Mikachu | okay, you don't want to run rm Tremor/* in the apps dir instead of build/apps dir |
| 17:14:19 | preglow | all calls into and out of plugins/codecs are done through pointers, right? |
| 17:14:42 | Mikachu | hm, i didn't |
| 17:14:43 | amiconn | Yes |
| 17:14:53 | amiconn | Pointer calls are always long calls |
| 17:14:59 | preglow | i know |
| 17:15:03 | Bagder | amiconn: but a first test would of course bloat the binary, and voila, we can use short-calls |
| 17:15:07 | preglow | in which case it's really irrelevant |
| 17:15:32 | amiconn | Bagder: We can use short calls for almost everything right now, without relocating the plugin buffer |
| 17:15:34 | preglow | the only issue we're facing is still iram/ordinary codes |
| 17:15:37 | preglow | -s |
| 17:15:43 | amiconn | The problem is iram <-> dram calls |
| 17:16:16 | Mikachu | which platforms are affected by this issue? |
| 17:16:20 | preglow | arm |
| 17:16:25 | Mikachu | nod |
| 17:16:32 | preglow | ipod video 64mb |
| 17:16:36 | preglow | but it's not affected after all |
| 17:16:38 | Bagder | still, moving the area is still interesting for the auto-detecting 32/64 MB case |
| 17:16:43 | preglow | indeed |
| 17:17:45 | jhMikeS | The H120 can't record radio? |
| 17:17:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure it can |
| 17:17:51 | amiconn | The gcc solution leaves a lot to be desired |
| 17:18:18 | amiconn | You can specify which functions must be long-called, but (1) it doesn't always work and (2) it's the wrong approach |
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| 17:18:40 | amiconn | Functions need to be long-called if the call goes to a different code section |
| 17:18:55 | jhMikeS | ok it's H100 series |
| 17:19:01 | Bagder | yeah, but gcc doesn't know sections at that time, does it? |
| 17:19:12 | Bagder | or even so, most calls can be short even between code sections |
| 17:19:20 | tucoz | linuxstb, is it safe to assume that the 3g and the 4g ipods use the same key presses throughout rockbox? |
| 17:19:29 | jhMikeS | so everything with uda1380 records radio |
| 17:19:52 | preglow | amiconn: why is the flagging functions as long call a bad solution? |
| 17:19:55 | preglow | amiconn: if it worked, it'd be great |
| 17:20:03 | merbanan_ | preglow: did you ever try the ffmpeg mp3 decoder ? if so try with the updated code, there are some arm patches pending also |
| 17:20:07 | preglow | merbanan_: no |
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| 17:20:31 | amiconn | preglow: Thing is, a function is never always short-call nor always long-call |
| 17:20:37 | amiconn | It also depends on the caller |
| 17:20:44 | preglow | amiconn: sure, no, but that's impossible for gcc to deal with |
| 17:20:48 | preglow | gcc doesn't know each function's section |
| 17:20:50 | amiconn | Why? |
| 17:21:00 | Bagder | because the linker does that magic |
| 17:21:06 | amiconn | It outputs the asm source, which contains the section names |
| 17:21:08 | Bagder | I mean position it |
| 17:21:37 | preglow | amiconn: well, i've tried that anyway. gcc throws a fit at me if i try to tell it that a function is in another section |
| 17:21:45 | preglow | amiconn: you need to do it in the headers for it to see it properly |
| 17:21:49 | amiconn | I think it should be possible to tell gcc: Use long calls when going .text->.icode or .icode->.text, and short calls otherwise |
| 17:22:19 | tucoz | linuxstb, if I grep the code for IPOD_3G_PAD, I see either if (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_3G_PAD) or#elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_3G_PAD) || \. Which I assume means that the keys are the same for both. |
| 17:22:26 | Bagder | yes, it would be nice to be able to specify it for specific boundaries like that |
| 17:22:32 | preglow | and it should be possible |
| 17:22:38 | preglow | by marking functions ICODE_ATTR in the headers as well |
| 17:22:45 | preglow | but gcc doesn't like that at all |
| 17:23:31 | preglow | like i've said before, we need a gcc-maintainer that loves us :> |
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| 17:23:51 | Bagder | for all archs we use... |
| 17:23:53 | dan_a | tucoz: As far as I know they are, and when I've come across things that don't compile on the 3G due to the keypad not being defined I've been able to use the 4G definitions |
| 17:24:41 | preglow | now, if gcc just wasn't so extremely large and hairy |
| 17:24:51 | Mikachu | do 3G have the separate 4 buttons and all 4G have the click wheel? |
| 17:25:05 | Bagder | "the biggst CVS repo on the planet" |
| 17:25:06 | tucoz | dan_a, good. Then I can simply define IPOD_4G_PAD in the platform file. Unless I have to run through the entire manual and add a IPOD_3G_PAD for all tables. |
| 17:25:13 | Bagder | gcc that wsa |
| 17:25:15 | Bagder | was |
| 17:25:22 | preglow | indeed |
| 17:25:25 | Mikachu | and now it's the biggest svn repo? |
| 17:25:31 | Bagder | yeah |
| 17:25:41 | tucoz | dan_a, I looked in button.h, and the even there the keys were defined equal. |
| 17:25:46 | jhMikeS | for short call you mean generating 8 or 16 bit displacements for JSR (on CF anyway)? |
| 17:25:46 | Mikachu | i would have thought kde or something is bigger |
| 17:26:37 | Bagder | I guess kde is split up in many |
| 17:26:55 | Bagder | but then, I guess nobody knows for sure who's the biggest |
| 17:26:56 | dan_a | tucoz: AFAIK, the buttons are the same absolutely everywhere |
| 17:27:02 | tucoz | cool |
| 17:27:04 | Bagder | 0xf00d! |
| 17:27:19 | tucoz | yum. |
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| 17:28:09 | amiconn | tucoz: Some places might want to assign buttons differently because of the different mechanical layout |
| 17:28:20 | amiconn | It's the same as with H1x0 and H300 |
| 17:28:33 | jhMikeS | ok, I asked a dumb question...:) Some here definitely know that. |
| 17:28:34 | amiconn | Same main buttons, but in different mechanical configuration |
| 17:29:05 | tucoz | amiconn, I thought of that. I meant this as a start. |
| 17:29:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: This short/long call thing here is arm specific |
| 17:29:33 | tucoz | hmm. this will take some time I noticed. |
| 17:29:40 | dan_a | tucoz: If you do a first draft of the 3G manual assuming the buttons are the same, I'll check that things behave as it says |
| 17:29:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: So the Coldfire compiler optimizes the JSR size automatically? |
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| 17:30:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes |
| 17:30:11 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, gcc knows for which section it is creating code when it compiles, so all we need to be able to do is mark functions as ICODE_ATTR in the header files |
| 17:30:17 | tucoz | dan_a, ok. I just noticed that I probably will not have time to do that today. Maybe tomorrow. |
| 17:30:42 | preglow | amiconn: now, if the gcc developers had a habit of listening to bug reports/feature requests with some merit, this shouldn't be a big issue, i suspect |
| 17:30:46 | jhMikeS | ...and he looked upon it thought it was good... |
| 17:31:19 | amiconn | grmph, indeed :( |
| 17:31:41 | Mikachu | send them a couple of ipods |
| 17:31:49 | preglow | it already knows how to create a call based on which section code is in, i think |
| 17:32:14 | preglow | they don't seem to care too much about their embedded targets at all |
| 17:32:42 | dan_a | Doing Mikachu's test shaves 2k off the size of mpa.codec, but I've not tested whether it will play music yet |
| 17:32:54 | preglow | it probably won't |
| 17:32:58 | preglow | mpa.codec uses iram code |
| 17:33:14 | amiconn | Yeah, and if you are going to try and fix things yourself, and ask questions, they seem to assume the gcc code is self explaining, and you know how things work and where a fix has to go :( |
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| 17:33:30 | dan_a | There was only one ICODE_ATTR definition |
| 17:33:34 | * | amiconn remembers his sh gcc bug hunting :(( |
| 17:33:39 | tucoz | dan_a, is it possible to set contrast on the 3g? |
| 17:33:46 | dan_a | tucoz: It is |
| 17:34:04 | Mikachu | the man page for gcc says "long calls will always be enabled for functions marked with the section attribute" (assuming you're using -mlong-calls) |
| 17:34:08 | tucoz | then I'll just follow what is possible on the 4g |
| 17:34:36 | Mikachu | you could sprinkle a _lot_ of #pragma long_calls_off over the code :) |
| 17:35:34 | Mikachu | actually |
| 17:35:46 | Mikachu | couldn't you define a function call to insert a pragma before and after to enable/disable long calls? |
| 17:36:19 | Mikachu | hm that would probably not work |
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| 17:56:05 | jhMikeS | uda1380 on H100/120/300 _HAS_ to have recording enabled just to listen to radio? |
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| 18:05:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: not at all |
| 18:05:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: the recording subsystem has nothing to do with radio apart being able to use it as a recording source |
| 18:06:49 | jhMikeS | umm...wait a sec... |
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| 18:07:17 | jhMikeS | preglow: the radio.c code was doing this: |
| 18:07:27 | jhMikeS | uda1380_enable_recording(false); |
| 18:07:27 | jhMikeS | uda1380_set_monitor(true); |
| 18:07:36 | jhMikeS | just to play it |
| 18:07:40 | preglow | i suggest you check out the first function |
| 18:07:46 | preglow | and you'll find out what the parameter means |
| 18:07:51 | preglow | it's not what you think |
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| 18:08:08 | jhMikeS | did have a peek at it... |
| 18:08:11 | linuxstb_ | dan_a, tucoz: I setup separate IPOD_3G_PAD and IPOD_4G_PAD definitions because even though the 3G has the same buttons, they are physically in different places - so I didn't want to assume that they would always be the same. |
| 18:08:24 | preglow | false means use radio as source, i think |
| 18:08:38 | tucoz | linuxstb, ok. I think I go for that option myself. grep is my friend :) |
| 18:08:55 | preglow | and the monitor function just mixes the input with the current output in the uda1380 chip |
| 18:09:55 | jhMikeS | it says "record from line-in" it seems they left recoding monitoring enabled when playing radio. |
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| 18:11:10 | jhMikeS | for tlv320 the analog bypass was set |
| 18:11:17 | preglow | hmm, i think making the uda1380 actually send audio samples via the i2s bus is really overkill |
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| 18:11:41 | suge | can I upgrade to another build just by deleting the .rockbox folder? |
| 18:12:17 | preglow | suge: yes, that and installing a new one complete with a rockbox.* file |
| 18:12:33 | preglow | suge: but really, you don't need to delete it first |
| 18:12:34 | Mikachu | and not deleting the old one |
| 18:12:39 | preglow | suge: you can just overwrite the old files with new ones |
| 18:13:00 | suge | so i got the piesjulies jpod zip... just extract it to root and I should be good? |
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| 18:13:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: Do you think it's a hardware nescessity or for another reason (I can't think of one)? |
| 18:14:44 | preglow | i can't, no |
| 18:14:55 | preglow | but i'm not _that_ familiar with the recording code |
| 18:15:03 | preglow | my only involvement with it is hacking in spdif support |
| 18:16:36 | jhMikeS | I'm trying to get the input selection correct before posting up that patch... |
| 18:16:43 | preglow | are all the posts in the old forums going to be moved? |
| 18:18:46 | petur | I think so, yes |
| 18:18:56 | preglow | that's quite a bit of work... |
| 18:18:59 | jhMikeS | ...and it left line-in/I2S on _after_ turning off the radio... |
| 18:19:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: that's nasty |
| 18:20:23 | jhMikeS | datasheet time! |
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| 18:28:21 | suge | i can't seem to find this anywhere... on the pijulius build it supports album art.. is that via an id3 tag or picture in the folder? |
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| 18:38:07 | Mikachu | Bagder: you've been slashdotted |
| 18:42:19 | amiconn | preglow: I changed the recording monitor to pass the data digitally through the i2s bus on iriver, for 2 reasons: |
| 18:42:44 | amiconn | (1) It simplifies spdif monitoring vs. analog in monitoring |
| 18:42:58 | amiconn | (2) It's more 'what you hear is what you get' |
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| 18:43:59 | amiconn | Analog bypass monitoring might still sound fine while the actual recording is already clipping |
| 18:44:11 | amiconn | With i2s monitoring, you will hear it. |
| 18:45:02 | amiconn | The radio could also go through i2s. |
| 18:45:06 | preglow | yeah, that's nice |
| 18:45:21 | preglow | i was just wondering why just entering the radio screen switches on recording |
| 18:45:26 | preglow | oh right |
| 18:45:36 | amiconn | It does so on archos as well |
| 18:46:16 | amiconn | It's a thing that should be changed, as we could even shut down the mas dsp core while listening to radio, unless prerecording is enabled |
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| 18:51:01 | jhMikeS | amiconn: If you're only listening to radio, why not just use analog bypass? I have things working differently now: select the source (Mix,Line,SPDIF,FM) and whether to use record/playback mode. |
| 18:51:31 | jhMikeS | Only for SWCODEC though |
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| 18:51:42 | amiconn | Probably switching between bypass and i2s will cause a pop? |
| 18:52:08 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, exactly |
| 18:52:19 | jhMikeS | Can always mute sound for a moment...this works fine for tlv320 |
| 18:53:25 | * | amiconn is watching fullscreen m2v at 12.6fps on his h300 :) |
| 18:53:35 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 18:54:03 | preglow | any new changes? |
| 18:54:10 | * | Genre9mp3 just drops a wide smile! |
| 18:54:27 | amiconn | asm lcd_yuv_blit() based on jhMikeS' code for X5 |
| 18:54:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: with sound? x5 gets 15.3 w/o sound. |
| 18:54:50 | amiconn | huh? |
| 18:54:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you think emac would help? |
| 18:54:59 | amiconn | Since when does mpegplayer support sound? |
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| 18:55:22 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I didn't think it did...wonder if you had it going. |
| 18:55:22 | Crackerizer | Hello, |
| 18:55:32 | amiconn | emac won't help for yuv I think |
| 18:55:47 | amiconn | I have some extra tweaks on top of your ideas |
| 18:55:52 | Crackerizer | Please help me. There's something wrong with my ipod 3g. |
| 18:56:08 | amiconn | Will of course port them to X5 |
| 18:56:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: do tell...I still might try the emac just for kicks and to learn it...if it gives any resuls then... |
| 18:56:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, fullscreen on h300 != fullscreen on X5. With Mikachu's 176x128 video I get 16.7fps |
| 18:56:52 | Crackerizer | The directory structure is gone. As i can't use usb nor firewire, I cant use the updator to restore my ipod. |
| 18:57:07 | amiconn | (that jpop thing) |
| 18:57:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: just look for long chains of a += b*c, and you'll emac food |
| 18:57:32 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: X5 screen is 160x128 not 176x128 |
| 18:57:35 | preglow | you'll have |
| 18:57:47 | jhMikeS | emac 0xf00d |
| 18:57:52 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: I know |
| 18:58:09 | Crackerizer | Is there someone here own a 3g ipod?? help me please. |
| 18:58:09 | jhMikeS | It's more a += b*c >> n |
| 18:58:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: that too works fine |
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| 18:58:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: depends if you're talking 64 bit or 32 bit wide multiplies |
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| 18:59:18 | * | amiconn compares speed vs. the old code now |
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| 18:59:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: I keep the match to 16 bits |
| 18:59:23 | jhMikeS | math |
| 18:59:52 | jhMikeS | to use lsr.l #8,Rx |
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| 19:00:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, I checked the conversion matrix coefficients, and two of them were off by one |
| 19:00:26 | saratoga | Crackerizer: what do you see on the 3G when you mount it in your OS? |
| 19:00:39 | amiconn | One of them is 128 now, allowing to optimise one muls.w away completely |
| 19:01:33 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I hand checked the results to get pure full RGB colors out...as long as it doesn't cause more saturation it will help. |
| 19:01:46 | Crackerizer | saratoga: I can not mount my ipod to my computer. because the use and firewire do not work. |
| 19:02:22 | jhMikeS | You can also do for example: x*129 = (x << 7) + x |
| 19:02:36 | amiconn | That will be slower |
| 19:02:48 | jhMikeS | muls seems to be pretty fast though |
| 19:02:48 | Crackerizer | saratoga: the only way to update songs to my ipod is to hook it's HDD directly to my computer with an IDE to 1.8 inces HDD adapter. |
| 19:02:58 | preglow | muls is pretty fast on emac capable chips |
| 19:03:00 | amiconn | A mul[s|u].[w|l] takes 4 cycles on our coldfires |
| 19:03:10 | saratoga | Crackerizer: If you canot mount it, then its probably dead |
| 19:03:22 | saratoga | contact Apple about a replacement |
| 19:03:32 | amiconn | copy, shift and add are 3 cycles - and you need an extra register |
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| 19:05:11 | Crackerizer | saratoga: the HDD is fine. I just need the struture and configs files of an ipod 3g. because i can not use the updater. |
| 19:05:22 | amiconn | It looks like this yuv conversion can be made extremely efficient on arm |
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| 19:05:35 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I think there were some extra at that point. 3 vs. 4 sounds good :) |
| 19:05:36 | amiconn | Its shifter will help a lot |
| 19:06:10 | Crackerizer | Is it possible to boot rockbox without ipod directory structure and config files? |
| 19:06:13 | saratoga | Crackerizer: Adding files isn't going to help if you can't mount the disk |
| 19:06:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what did you change the matrix to? |
| 19:06:37 | amiconn | * |R| |74 0 101| |Y' - 16| / 256 |
| 19:06:37 | amiconn | * |G| = |74 -24 -51| |Cb - 128| / 256 |
| 19:06:37 | amiconn | * |B| |74 128 0| |Cr - 128| / 256 |
| 19:06:51 | Crackerizer | saratoga: I can copy any files to my ipod's HDD. |
| 19:07:02 | saratoga | but you cannot mount it, correct? |
| 19:07:13 | saratoga | or rather, mount the ipod itself via USB |
| 19:07:55 | amiconn | Wow, the speedup is almost constant 3 fp irrespecive of the video size |
| 19:08:02 | preglow | with the first bars signifying a matris and the second bars abs() ? |
| 19:08:08 | preglow | right, vector |
| 19:08:23 | amiconn | That means +23% at 176x128 and +31% at 224x176 |
| 19:08:30 | jhMikeS | you changed all the chroma ones |
| 19:08:31 | Crackerizer | garatoga: why is mounting important? |
| 19:08:46 | Crackerizer | hello dan_a. |
| 19:08:54 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 19:09:08 | amiconn | That's what I use on h300 now, it's looking good |
| 19:09:14 | saratoga | Crackerizer: because if you can't mount, then the Ipod is probably dead |
| 19:09:21 | amiconn | It's what proper rounding produces |
| 19:09:31 | dan_a | Hi Crackerizer: |
| 19:09:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why not change the R/B for 5 bits on iriver? That's for 6 bits. |
| 19:09:51 | amiconn | [13:57:40] <amiconn> Direclty converting to RGB565 doesn't work well. Results in a greenish image due to roundoff errors |
| 19:09:57 | amiconn | [13:58:07] <amiconn> So I'll convert to RGB666, then drop one bit from R and B |
| 19:09:58 | Crackerizer | dan_a: can you boot rockbox on 3g without any original ipod file and directory structures? |
| 19:10:24 | preglow | emac will work for yuv->rgb, it seems |
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| 19:10:32 | Crackerizer | saratoga: no, it was working fine even the usb and firewire dont work. |
| 19:10:45 | dan_a | I think so, but I've never tried it |
| 19:10:58 | saratoga | how is it working fine if the USB doesn't work :) |
| 19:11:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I didn't want to do proper rounding...just truncation. The appearance was excellent w/o it on x5 anyway. |
| 19:11:23 | saratoga | wait, did you ever have USB working on your PC? could be a problem with your PC not the ipod |
| 19:11:52 | Crackerizer | saratoga: I mean it could play any song i copy to my ipod using 3rd party tools. :) |
| 19:12:20 | Crackerizer | saratoga: No, my pc is fine too. I have both usb and firewire port. |
| 19:12:29 | saratoga | that doesn't make any sense |
| 19:12:29 | tucoz | dan_a, there. Now you can build the manual for the ipod 3g :) |
| 19:12:39 | saratoga | how could you add files if you couldn't mount the disk |
| 19:12:44 | dan_a | tucoz: Brilliant! |
| 19:13:09 | tucoz | now I need some food, after all that search and replace |
| 19:13:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The problem with direct-to RGB565 conversion is probably twofold: (1) The coefficients for R and B become smaller, so the roundoff error becomes bigger. (2) The resolution for G is different from R ab B. |
| 19:13:37 | Crackerizer | saratoga: there are tools such as retune, ephpod etc. which can be used to copy songs to my ipod HDD and sync the ituneDB. |
| 19:14:02 | Crackerizer | dan_a: could you do me a favour, please? |
| 19:14:06 | dan_a | I've tried the same thing as Mikachu (taking out ICODE_ATTR statements and setting mno-long-calls) and the codecs I've tried still work (MP3, WAV, SID) and the codecs shrink by a bit |
| 19:14:12 | dan_a | Crackerizer: What's that? |
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| 19:15:24 | saratoga | Crackerizer: ephpod requires you to mount the ipod . . . you said you couldn't mount it |
| 19:15:49 | dan_a | I get a lot more skipping with no ICODE_ATTR statements, though |
| 19:16:36 | amiconn | On PP5002 you will |
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| 19:16:42 | amiconn | ...because of the broken cache |
| 19:17:17 | preglow | dan_a: the mp3 codec still works? |
| 19:17:22 | dan_a | amiconn: I'd been told that, but I wanted empirical evidence! |
| 19:17:31 | amiconn | On PP5002 icode makes sense, on PP5020+ it's debatable |
| 19:17:36 | dan_a | preglow: Yes, if you take out the ICODE_ATTR statements |
| 19:17:45 | preglow | dan_a: ahh, yes, sure |
| 19:17:49 | preglow | then small wonder, heh |
| 19:17:56 | preglow | no reason they shouldn't work then |
| 19:17:57 | Crackerizer | dan_a: could you send me your ipod 3g file structure. Especially, the iPod_Control\Device folder. |
| 19:18:41 | dan_a | amiconn: When I tried semi-randomly adding in ICODE_ATTR statements (to small functions which I guessed would be called often), it made it skip more because there was less codec buffer |
| 19:18:48 | dan_a | So I just wanted to be sure |
| 19:18:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Doing the extra RGB666->RGB565 conversion doesn't make it slower. It's only 2 extra shifts, but they're accounted for by the simpler clamping |
| 19:19:01 | Crackerizer | Well, I mount my ipod hdd with an USB to 1.8 inces HDD adapter. |
| 19:19:36 | Crackerizer | i have to open my ipod and take its hdd and then hook it with the adapter. |
| 19:19:52 | dan_a | Crackerizer: I will do, but I have to go out right now. I'm supposed to be 20 miles from here in 10 minutes and the main road is closed |
| 19:19:56 | jhMikeS | Is that claping code in CVS now? |
| 19:20:18 | Crackerizer | Anytime dan_a. Thank you for your help. |
| 19:20:18 | amiconn | Not yet. I'm just diffing to see what I did, then commit |
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| 19:20:45 | amiconn | Probably have to add a couple of dirs to cvs first - lcd-as-h300.S is starting the h300 target tree... |
| 19:21:46 | jhMikeS | what, cvs up -dP won't do it? :? |
| 19:22:22 | amiconn | _I_ have to add them |
| 19:22:37 | jhMikeS | yeah, *duh* |
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| 19:31:57 | amiconn | There. |
| 19:33:23 | * | jhMikeS is trying to guess the clamping code and can see a possible approach w/o bra |
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| 19:34:38 | Crackerizer | It seems like the original firmware on the firmware partition is corrupted. |
| 19:34:52 | amiconn | It uses bra, but only one per colour component |
| 19:35:03 | amiconn | (and the overall check in front, which is pretty efficient) |
| 19:35:14 | Crackerizer | This is unlucky if you can not restore your ipod with updator tool. |
| 19:35:14 | * | jhMikeS thinks you don't need bra for low clamp |
| 19:35:35 | jhMikeS | lsr.l / add.l #1 / and.l |
| 19:35:39 | amiconn | Just take a look at my solution... |
| 19:35:45 | jhMikeS | getting it now... |
| 19:36:21 | jhMikeS | cvs up is taking its sweet time |
| 19:36:40 | amiconn | Don't forget the -dP ;) |
| 19:37:22 | * | jhMikeS didn't forget the -dP ! |
| 19:38:34 | preglow | amiconn: did you try to not use iram for the mem* functions? i'm curious if it's really something that needs to be there |
| 19:39:10 | amiconn | Iirc using IRAm had a tiny speed advantage on coldfire |
| 19:39:27 | preglow | yeah, i'm talking coldfire |
| 19:39:32 | preglow | sh probably benefits much more |
| 19:39:40 | amiconn | If we have better use for the IRAM and want to take them out, we'd need to do it in a target specific fashion |
| 19:39:52 | amiconn | Yes, sh benefits significantly |
| 19:40:05 | tucoz | Bagder, the ipod 3g manual is now ready to be added to the daily builds. |
| 19:40:46 | amiconn | ooops |
| 19:40:55 | * | amiconn broke the h300 sim build :/ |
| 19:41:26 | amiconn | rofl, x86 doesn't understand coldire asm |
| 19:41:42 | preglow | haha, for some reason |
| 19:41:44 | Mikachu | who would've thought |
| 19:43:04 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, just memcpy is almost 1kb, i'd say those are prime candidates to remove if we ever need more iram |
| 19:43:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:43:52 | amiconn | I know. memmove adds about the same again |
| 19:43:57 | preglow | yup |
| 19:44:22 | amiconn | There are 2 options, depending on how much iram we need, and how the speed impact is |
| 19:45:01 | preglow | the arm memset probably doesn't need iram either, and we're a lot tighter on iram there |
| 19:45:12 | preglow | for data, that is |
| 19:45:37 | amiconn | (1) Move the whole thing to dram. (2) Undefine FULLSPEED in the asm source. This will slow down word aligned copies (long aligned ones stay as fast as they are, as well as byte aligned ones), but also reduce size by > 1/3 |
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| 19:46:00 | preglow | i say just letting FULLSPEED stay and moving to dram instead is the best thing to do |
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| 19:48:28 | Doomed | does rockbox recognize album art in the tag? |
| 19:52:12 | Massa | Doomed: no, it does not (to be honest, it does not even detect album art as separate file - without a patch) |
| 19:52:13 | preglow | rockbox doesn't recognize album art at all |
| 19:52:23 | Doomed | lol |
| 19:52:27 | Doomed | blah |
| 19:52:59 | Doomed | well i use this optimized build for H120 so it has an album art patch, but thanks for the heads up |
| 19:54:08 | Massa | Doomed: and I'm sure it'll take some time until rockbox will be able to read the corresponding id3 tags - if ever |
| 19:54:20 | Doomed | yeah |
| 19:55:07 | amiconn | Calling images in a tag 'album art' is really misleading imo |
| 19:55:17 | Doomed | why |
| 19:55:24 | amiconn | 'track art' makes more sense |
| 19:55:24 | jhMikeS | ok, I see how that saturates low (and with 0x00 if low) (spl does what those lsr/add would've done) but I don't see how anding the component with 0xff saturates high. |
| 19:55:55 | amiconn | The trick is the dual use of the cmp result |
| 19:56:21 | Massa | amiconn: Yes, I always found it confusing - actually it's often called "file cover art" |
| 19:56:38 | amiconn | If the component is in range, C or Z will be set, so bls.s skips the whole rest |
| 19:56:40 | Doomed | well i guess i should start saving it as the album art in folder then |
| 19:56:55 | preglow | well |
| 19:57:01 | preglow | isn't the album art duplicated in all files if you don't? |
| 19:57:04 | preglow | sounds really stupid |
| 19:57:22 | Doomed | hm? |
| 19:57:42 | jhMikeS | oh right...it's already lt 64... |
| 19:57:49 | Massa | Doomed: don't forget to save it as BMP with corrseponding size ;) |
| 19:58:00 | Mikachu | There may be several pictures attached to one file, each in their individual "APIC" frame, but only one with the same content descriptor. There may only be one picture with the picture type declared as picture type $01 and $02 respectively. |
| 19:58:09 | amiconn | If it's out of range, both C and Z are unset. Then spl.b evaluates the N flag, and sets the lower byte to 0 when negative, and to 0xff when positive |
| 19:58:10 | Massa | preglow: yes it is - but that's how it is with that ID3 tags ;) |
| 19:58:30 | Doomed | nah man, jpeg, it shows up in rockbox |
| 19:58:50 | Mikachu | http://pastebot.openbox.org/7 is the relevant part of the id3 standard i think |
| 19:58:57 | amiconn | The and.l with 63 is just to bring the 0xff to the correct upper bound (and map our eventually higher bits, since there's only spl.b) |
| 19:59:16 | Massa | Michachu: and they may be in JPG or PNG format... |
| 19:59:24 | Mikachu | i still love $11 A bright coloured fish |
| 19:59:43 | * | Doomed wants a 60gb video but cant let go of H120 |
| 19:59:45 | Mikachu | Massa: "should" be png or jpg, could be anything |
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| 20:00:38 | Massa | Mikachu - you're right - as far as I remember there was something about "interoperability"... |
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| 20:01:21 | Mikachu | ooh, here's something interesting |
| 20:01:23 | Mikachu | 4.20. Linked information |
| 20:01:31 | Mikachu | To keep information duplication as low as possible this frame may be used to link information from another ID3v2 tag that might reside in another audio file or alone in a binary file. |
| 20:01:39 | preglow | ble |
| 20:01:48 | amiconn | urgh |
| 20:01:50 | eli_sherer | amiconn: will this function help optimizing the jpegviewer (it uses YCbCr as well...)? |
| 20:01:52 | Mikachu | The "AENC", "APIC", "GEOB" and "TXXX" frames may be linked with the content descriptor as additional ID data. |
| 20:01:57 | Massa | Mikachu: and the picture types have defined meanings... |
| 20:02:13 | amiconn | eli_sherer: jpeg uses a slightly different YCbCr format |
| 20:02:49 | amiconn | And I don't see why the conversion needs major optimisation in the jpeg viewer |
| 20:03:00 | eli_sherer | amiconn: You've really done your homework :) |
| 20:03:14 | Mikachu | what i want in the jpeg viewer is the ability to start a zoom while decoding |
| 20:03:20 | Mikachu | ie to interrupt the current decoding |
| 20:03:40 | eli_sherer | i don't understand why the firmware's jpegviewer is faster then ours... |
| 20:03:43 | amiconn | Really? |
| 20:03:44 | Massa | Mikachu: about link information: is there any program known which is able to generate and _use_ such tags? |
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| 20:03:55 | Mikachu | Massa: no idea, want to make the first? :) |
| 20:04:02 | Doomed | hopefully this source updates to the latest cvs with no problem |
| 20:04:08 | amiconn | My experience on ipod is that decoding is blazingly fast |
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| 20:04:40 | amiconn | Maybe I should try larger images |
| 20:04:48 | | Join GabrielArellano [0] (n=476a1756@labb.contactor.se) |
| 20:04:50 | Mikachu | i have a map of the city, it takes a while to open |
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| 20:04:59 | Massa | Mikachu: no - not until at least JPG decoding is part of rockbox itself ;) |
| 20:05:00 | Mikachu | actually i had to split it in 4 because it was too large decoded |
| 20:05:01 | preglow | eli_sherer: which device? |
| 20:05:02 | eli_sherer | ipod can decode really fast indeed...you can scroll through your pictures with the wheel and the pictures will fly |
| 20:05:09 | jhMikeS | that spl.l does similarly to a sequence I'd use on the x86 for the same effect. |
| 20:05:17 | eli_sherer | preglow: iriver...(sorry!) |
| 20:05:20 | preglow | eli_sherer: i thought itunes resizes the jpegs you transfered |
| 20:05:26 | Mikachu | it does |
| 20:05:28 | Mikachu | you can't zoom |
| 20:05:29 | Doomed | who uses itunes |
| 20:05:29 | Doomed | lol |
| 20:06:05 | jhMikeS | So...analog bypass in OK for iRiver radio or not? |
| 20:07:04 | GabrielArellano | Hello, I need write access to the Wiki |
| 20:07:16 | | Quit Crackerizer (Client Quit) |
| 20:08:21 | Doomed | somehow i need to get $400 |
| 20:08:30 | eli_sherer | We all do! |
| 20:08:36 | Doomed | lol |
| 20:09:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: now you've got a .size directive in there that wasn't there before. |
| 20:10:21 | amiconn | Monochrome target JPEG decoding speed comparison, test image 658x900 (full zoom): iPod Mini g2: 1.00s, Iriver H140: 0.88s, Archos Recorder: 20.64s |
| 20:10:22 | Doomed | hmmm how long does this updating cvs taeke |
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| 20:11:27 | amiconn | SH1 suffers from not having a shift-by-n instruction here. The huffman decoding stage would profit from it |
| 20:11:48 | preglow | it not having that _still_ makes me chuckle |
| 20:12:04 | preglow | everything should have a barrel shifter |
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| 20:14:53 | jhMikeS | Looking for a final word (please): it's ok for analog radio playback on Hxxx? It's just a "pop" issue iirc? |
| 20:15:20 | amiconn | It's what's used currently afaik, so at least it won't make it worse |
| 20:15:30 | amiconn | I would prefer i2s though |
| 20:16:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I can just leave it that way for uda1380 then... |
| 20:17:53 | jhMikeS | for normal audio playback this is correct: |
| 20:17:55 | jhMikeS | uda1380_disable_recording(); |
| 20:17:55 | jhMikeS | uda1380_set_monitor(false); |
| 20:17:56 | jhMikeS | ? |
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| 20:22:51 | jhMikeS | Well...ok...I'll put the updated recording patch in the tracker soon and you can tell me if everything goes haywire. :) |
| 20:24:28 | Doomed | when u go to update ur source with the cvs does it just stay cvs up -dP or do u get lines under that? |
| 20:27:01 | Doomed | anybody? |
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| 20:28:23 | Mikachu | Doomed: it's supposed to print a whole lot of stuff and then drop you back at the command line |
| 20:28:33 | Doomed | fuck |
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| 20:30:35 | sharpe | Doomed: How long have you tried waiting for it to start to update? |
| 20:30:49 | Doomed | just before was like 3-4 min |
| 20:30:56 | sharpe | Ah. |
| 20:31:09 | sharpe | Can you do a 'cvs status' ? |
| 20:31:30 | Mikachu | well, the rockbox server was slashdotted, could be related? |
| 20:31:40 | Mikachu | nope, i can connect fine |
| 20:31:47 | Doomed | see when i go to login, it downloads the cvs |
| 20:32:01 | Doomed | k ill let it download to rockbox-devel |
| 20:32:05 | Doomed | then i cd to my source |
| 20:32:10 | Doomed | then cvs up -dP |
| 20:32:12 | Doomed | righ |
| 20:32:13 | Doomed | t |
| 20:32:28 | sharpe | Updates fine for me... |
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| 20:33:52 | Doomed | damn i couldve used that woot.com video card :( |
| 20:34:40 | Doomed | o shit do i have to compile the source first then update with cvs? |
| 20:34:49 | sharpe | Nope... |
| 20:35:06 | Doomed | k |
| 20:36:20 | Doomed | k now the cvs downloaded to rockbox-devel |
| 20:36:30 | Doomed | now i cd to my rockbox (source) folder right |
| 20:36:40 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The .size isn't strictly necessary but a lot of other asm sources have it, so I added it just in case |
| 20:36:43 | sharpe | Yes. 'rockbox-devel' |
| 20:36:59 | Doomed | i have a source i downloaded |
| 20:37:07 | Doomed | but the rockbox-devel is the cvs |
| 20:37:29 | Doomed | this is what my C:\Rockbox folder looks like : |
| 20:37:36 | Doomed | rockbox rockbox-devel |
| 20:39:30 | markun | cd rockbox-devel |
| 20:39:37 | markun | cvs update -dP |
| 20:39:51 | Doomed | why? |
| 20:40:05 | markun | I thought that is what you wanted |
| 20:40:08 | Doomed | no |
| 20:40:15 | Doomed | thats the cvs already |
| 20:40:30 | markun | what's the problem then? |
| 20:40:51 | Doomed | i have a downloaded source not from cvs |
| 20:41:06 | markun | you can't update the source that is not from cvs |
| 20:41:30 | Doomed | err no considering ive done it before |
| 20:41:35 | Doomed | i just dont remeber what i did |
| 20:42:07 | markun | Yesteday I tried to talk to someone with a similar problem and he walked away in anger |
| 20:42:41 | markun | So perhaps I'm not the best person to help you |
| 20:42:44 | Doomed | kk |
| 20:43:26 | markun | why do you want to update yout non-cvs source tree? Did you edit some of the files? |
| 20:43:36 | Doomed | http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/remartinelli/html/rockbox.html |
| 20:44:14 | Doomed | im only starting to compile sources so i have no clue what im doing |
| 20:44:24 | markun | ok :) |
| 20:44:41 | markun | Anyone here with a T series iriver? |
| 20:45:02 | sharpe | I thought that said 'T shirt iriver'... |
| 20:45:06 | idnar | heh |
| 20:45:14 | Doomed | lol |
| 20:45:47 | fergie | I just tried to do my first build with cygwin, but after loading it on my ipod, it hangs on the boot screen after rockbox loaded appears |
| 20:45:47 | markun | Just having some firmware update problems with my new T30 |
| 20:47:35 | sharpe | fergie: Are you sure you built Rockbox for the right iPod? |
| 20:47:43 | fergie | yes |
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| 20:48:09 | Doomed | whats the point of taring the source twice? |
| 20:48:16 | sharpe | And you extracted it and it froze after the bootloader? |
| 20:48:31 | fergie | i rebooted it now and now it get a bit further but it hangs again at the menu |
| 20:48:45 | markun | Doomed: you had a rockbox.tar.tar file? |
| 20:48:53 | sharpe | fergie: Have you applied any patches? |
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| 20:49:01 | Doomed | no i mean from the daily build page |
| 20:49:23 | fergie | yep the scroll margins patch |
| 20:50:08 | markun | Doomed: you mean the tar.gz extension? |
| 20:50:18 | Doomed | yea nm tho |
| 20:50:24 | sharpe | Okay, I doubt that's causing it, but could you try a build without it? |
| 20:51:05 | markun | Doomed: tar pack many files into 1 file (uncompressed) and gzip can compress 1 file |
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| 20:51:43 | fergie | ok |
| 20:52:27 | fergie | i had to change some calls to lcd_setmargins in debug_menu.c |
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| 20:53:56 | fergie | would doing cvs up -dP make any difference? |
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| 20:54:52 | sharpe | Nope... |
| 20:55:06 | sharpe | Try just unpatching it. |
| 20:56:23 | fergie | will try a clean build from latest cvs |
| 20:56:29 | sharpe | That works. |
| 20:56:34 | Doomed | blah |
| 20:57:52 | Doomed | this is so confusing |
| 20:59:35 | fergie | btw I asked it earlier this day but is there any change on the charging on iPod ? |
| 20:59:57 | sharpe | fergie: Any change since when? |
| 21:00 |
| 21:02:26 | fergie | well i mean does it still drain energy faster than it can charge when playing? |
| 21:03:03 | sharpe | It doesn't seem to for me... |
| 21:03:23 | fergie | strange, which ipod do you have? |
| 21:03:31 | sharpe | Video. |
| 21:04:01 | Mikachu | sharpe, fergie: do you charge via usb or wall charger? |
| 21:04:10 | fergie | usb |
| 21:04:29 | sharpe | I chargeth via usb. :) |
| 21:04:42 | Mikachu | there goes that theory |
| 21:06:26 | fergie | my mp3 files are mostly lame vbr aps |
| 21:14:03 | fergie | hmm the nonpatched build also hangs :( |
| 21:15:14 | sharpe | Strange. Has this just recently started to happen? |
| 21:15:28 | sharpe | I mean, any times before your patched build? |
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| 21:17:14 | fergie | the one from the website works. This is my first own build ;) |
| 21:17:35 | fergie | will have a look at the build warnings |
| 21:18:04 | sharpe | Ah... well... yeah, those may have something to do with it if you get them... |
| 21:19:43 | saratoga | anyone seen this? : |
| 21:19:45 | saratoga | In file included from thread.c:95:export/profile.h:57: error: conflicting types for ‘current_thread’ |
| 21:19:55 | saratoga | sorry that should have been two lines |
| 21:20:32 | saratoga | In file included from thread.c:95:i'm trying to make a build with profiling support for the 3G from latest CVS |
| 21:21:11 | amiconn | I guess dan_a's multi-core changes broke profiling... |
| 21:21:31 | saratoga | didn't realize that had been commited |
| 21:21:57 | saratoga | i suppose downloading CVS from a couple day ago would work around this problem for now? |
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| 21:27:16 | saratoga | also, should i file a bug report over this or contact dan_a? |
| 21:31:52 | fergie | plugin.c:440: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 21:33:06 | fergie | could that account for the hangs? |
| 21:34:16 | fergie | it's the only warning |
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| 21:34:43 | sharpe | Doubt it, but it's worth a try fixing it. |
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| 21:44:12 | doobeh | Hi, I've installed Rockbox on my ipod, it seems to have locked up, how can I force a reset? |
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| 21:44:36 | doobeh | (It's just locked up while creating the tag database, I think part of my hdd on the ipod is dead/dying) |
| 21:45:35 | Davide-NYC | hotwire_: Hey Hotwire, how's the UISim remote code going? |
| 21:45:49 | Davide-NYC | I just put a feature request up on flyspray: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5875 |
| 21:46:02 | Davide-NYC | check my my corny animated GIF! :-P |
| 21:47:59 | Davide-NYC | This feature request has to do with Conditional Background Image in UISim for the various iRiver Remotes. |
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| 22:05:09 | preglow | btw, is that left/right scrolling thing still in? |
| 22:09:07 | Landus | After I apply patches, I just have to cd back into the directory I made when I ran ../tools/configure, and make zip, right? |
| 22:09:23 | Landus | Then extract the stuff in the zip file into my DAP? |
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| 22:21:13 | Davide-NYC | question: I signed up for the rockbox-dev mailing list. I have yet to receive any emails submitted by devs (only the automagic mailman emails) |
| 22:21:14 | Davide-NYC | I noticed while brosing the web interface that I was not subscribed to any topics, yet I couldn't find an option to subscribe in the web form. |
| 22:21:16 | Davide-NYC | If I email rockbox-dev-request with the word 'list' in the subject am I on the right track? |
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| 22:24:36 | jhMikeS | should the cpu be boosted only during recording or during simple line monitoring too? Right now it's boosted just because you're looking at the recording screen. |
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| 22:25:35 | dionoea | it should be boosted only when you need the extra power. does monitoring require the same amount of CPU as recording ? |
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| 22:27:35 | jhMikeS | I don't believe it does, there's no file writing or compression happening but there are DMA1 interrupts being serviced. |
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| 22:28:43 | * | lowlight breathes easy at the sight of a green table :) |
| 22:29:23 | Massa | # |
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| 22:33:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: it depends |
| 22:33:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: when doing spdif recording, it should always be boosted |
| 22:33:31 | preglow | at any other times, it should be boosted when it needs some extra juice |
| 22:33:40 | preglow | i don't know how it's currently implemented, though |
| 22:38:16 | lowlight | should I commit my checkmarks for the current settings? http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/ |
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| 22:39:49 | Davide-NYC | guys, should I be receiveing emails fairly regularly from the rockbox-dev mailing list? |
| 22:40:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: I suppose I'll leave the SPDIF boost alone then :) |
| 22:40:56 | barrywardell | Davide-NYC: the last one I got was on the 19th of july |
| 22:41:25 | Davide-NYC | thank you. I was totally confused |
| 22:41:45 | Bagder | Davide-NYC: yes you should |
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| 22:41:55 | lowlight | rockbox-dev was busy today. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-08/ |
| 22:42:29 | Davide-NYC | badger: I'm not and it seems that I'm subscribed tot he list, but not to any topics |
| 22:42:42 | Bagder | then you have a problem |
| 22:42:49 | Bagder | since you get all or none |
| 22:43:20 | Davide-NYC | in other words there are no topics, just one big list |
| 22:43:33 | Bagder | yes it is a mailing list |
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| 22:44:41 | Davide-NYC | I re-subscribed |
| 22:44:49 | * | Davide-NYC fingers crossed |
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| 22:45:50 | Bagder | rockbox-dev has 284 subscribers |
| 22:47:10 | Davide-NYC | It's not working for me, should I send an email to an admin? |
| 22:47:25 | Bagder | /msg me your email address |
| 22:47:47 | Bagder | I am admin |
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| 23:04:47 | mirak | hum |
| 23:05:06 | Bagder | blah |
| 23:05:31 | Bagder | that was in SanDisk's general direction |
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| 23:11:37 | merbanan | Bagder: how's the webserver taking the slashdotting ? :) |
| 23:11:55 | Bagder | its the same as the main rockbox.org site |
| 23:11:59 | Bagder | seems to cope well |
| 23:12:59 | merbanan | Bagder: anyway I think MrH is working on making it possible to dualboot a possible rockbox firmware and a unmodified sandisk firmware |
| 23:13:13 | Mikachu | is this mrh guy anonymous? |
| 23:13:15 | | Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) |
| 23:13:19 | Bagder | Mikachu: entirely |
| 23:13:34 | Mikachu | so this no anonymous contributor stuff only applies to code that goes into rockbox then |
| 23:13:55 | Bagder | the real name policy is for Rockbox, yes |
| 23:14:11 | | Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:14:17 | Bagder | but yes, we might come to an interesting dilemma... |
| 23:15:07 | Bagder | for the mi4code case I intend to do a re-implementation for the simple case we need, no crypto and dummy signing |
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| 23:17:19 | merbanan | Bagder: that sounds reasonable, you don't need all the mi4code features |
| 23:17:37 | Bagder | nope, we need very little |
| 23:18:06 | merbanan | and the best thing is that you don't need to add the encryption keys to rockbox either |
| 23:19:17 | merbanan | what videos do the sansa play ? |
| 23:19:27 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 23:19:29 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:19:32 | merbanan | what format ? |
| 23:20:05 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 23:20:14 | Bagder | but I believe it (can) transcode them |
| 23:20:32 | Bagder | it has some weird windows program for transferring video to the unit |
| 23:21:01 | Bagder | I was at work with a Windows box nearby when I got it |
| 23:21:33 | merbanan | I read somewhere that it was mjpeg, but I can't seem to confirm that |
| 23:21:51 | Bagder | hm wait... |
| 23:22:24 | Bagder | just need to restore the firmware first ;-) |
| 23:23:32 | merbanan | :) |
| 23:23:39 | Bagder | I think I have a demo video still around on it |
| 23:25:09 | Bagder | mjpb vlc says |
| 23:25:26 | Bagder | whatever that is |
| 23:25:59 | Bagder | mplayer says "QuickTime/MOV file format detected." |
| 23:26:11 | Bagder | Fourcc: mjpb Codec: 'Motion JPEG B' |
| 23:26:39 | merbanan | can you play it ? |
| 23:26:49 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:26:49 | merbanan | and what is the audio sample rate |
| 23:26:57 | Bagder | neither mplayer nor vlc play it |
| 23:27:08 | merbanan | can you send it to me ? |
| 23:27:13 | Bagder | MOV track #1: 7 chunks, 0 samples |
| 23:27:14 | Bagder | Audio bits: 16 chans: 2 rate: 11025 |
| 23:27:14 | Bagder | Fourcc: twos |
| 23:27:19 | Bagder | Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder |
| 23:27:19 | Bagder | AUDIO: 11025 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 44100->44100 (352.8 kbit) |
| 23:27:19 | Bagder | Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm:pcm (Uncompressed PCM) |
| 23:27:29 | Bagder | yeah, I'll upload it... |
| 23:28:45 | Bagder | 160x208 at 15fps |
| 23:29:10 | merbanan | no mpeg4-sp there |
| 23:29:16 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:29:18 | Bagder | nopes |
| 23:29:59 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/videos/Revelations.mov |
| 23:30:14 | Bagder | 8.6MB |
| 23:33:20 | Bagder | there's a second video in the same dir now, twice the size |
| 23:33:26 | Bagder | that one works in mplayer for me |
| 23:34:20 | Bagder | Fourcc: mjpa Codec: 'Motion JPEG A' |
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| 23:41:53 | merbanan | Bagder: ffplay can play both, I'll inform the mplayer guys so they can add the fourcc if they havn't done that already |
| 23:42:10 | Bagder | I'm not using the latest so it might work already |
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| 23:43:06 | merbanan | I should have tested it before I spoke, it worked |
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| 23:44:06 | Shadowrazor | hi, could someone help me out with vlc? I want to convert a avi to m2v. It looks like vlc does the job but I dont know where vlc stores the file :( |
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| 23:45:33 | * | merbanan looks at the name of the channel |
| 23:46:32 | Bagder | well m2v is a bit rockboxish |
| 23:46:55 | merbanan | how about using ffmpeg instead then |
| 23:46:59 | Shadowrazor | what do u mean, isnt it just a mpeg file without sound? |
| 23:47:00 | merbanan | works all the time |
| 23:47:10 | Shadowrazor | ffmpeg, I'll try it out |
| 23:47:11 | Shadowrazor | thx |
| 23:47:35 | merbanan | I'm not biased at all :) |
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| 23:54:16 | Shadowrazor | damn mplayer doesnt have standard a gui :S |
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| 23:55:26 | Bagder | "Run gmplayer if you want the GUI." |
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| 23:56:27 | Shadowrazor | I downloaded the mpayer, then I downloaded a skin, but I cant find a gmplayer.exer |
| 23:56:32 | Shadowrazor | exe* |
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| 23:57:17 | Bagder | well I have no idea |
| 23:57:31 | Bagder | I use mplayer perfectly fine without any gui |
| 23:57:59 | Shadowrazor | but i'm to newb to can do that ;) |
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