| 00:00:21 | Shadowrazor | finally i managed to get the gui working :p |
| 00:01:43 | Shadowrazor | oh no, you can not encode with the gui version :@ |
| 00:03:29 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:03:37 | Bagder | but don't you use mencoder to decode? |
| 00:03:41 | Bagder | uh |
| 00:03:42 | Bagder | encode |
| 00:03:59 | Shadowrazor | hu? |
| 00:04:10 | Shadowrazor | is there a gui encoder? |
| 00:04:31 | Bagder | that I don't know |
| 00:04:57 | Shadowrazor | think i found one :p |
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| 00:05:56 | Bagder | rasher's map is getting crowded |
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| 00:08:47 | Mikachu | Shadowrazor: you can copy and paste options from the man page with the mouse, that's almost gui |
| 00:09:00 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:09:03 | Shadowrazor | :d |
| 00:09:28 | Shadowrazor | but i want to add subtitles etc, thats a bit difficult ( or lasy ) for me to do with command line |
| 00:09:50 | bluebrother | Shadowrazor, kmencoder. |
| 00:10:00 | bluebrother | but it's a KDE application. |
| 00:10:19 | Shadowrazor | no |
| 00:10:35 | Shadowrazor | its multiplatform |
| 00:11:27 | bluebrother | kmencoder is a kde application. |
| 00:11:34 | Shadowrazor | pff, i give up all the gui versions sux |
| 00:11:41 | bluebrother | mplayer has been ported to w32, but that's a different thing |
| 00:12:00 | Shadowrazor | I even dont know whats kmencoder is :p |
| 00:12:21 | bluebrother | a gui frontend to mencoder |
| 00:12:30 | bluebrother | like the title may suggest ... |
| 00:12:37 | Shadowrazor | oh, but i did it with wemig |
| 00:12:47 | Shadowrazor | mewig* |
| 00:12:50 | bluebrother | as you were asking for a gui to mencoder. |
| 00:13:01 | bluebrother | never heard of that. |
| 00:13:08 | Shadowrazor | but that mewig thing is very limited |
| 00:14:26 | * | dionoea suggests VLC |
| 00:14:34 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 00:14:42 | * | dionoea also goes to sleep |
| 00:14:43 | bluebrother | impressive number of commits for today. |
| 00:14:51 | Shadowrazor | I tried it but it doesnt works for me :( |
| 00:14:56 | dionoea | what doesn't work ? |
| 00:15:11 | Shadowrazor | to encode with vlc, with command line |
| 00:15:33 | Shadowrazor | it looks like it doesnt stores it |
| 00:15:36 | dionoea | did you try the .bat file on the wiki page ? |
| 00:15:51 | Shadowrazor | yes, i did it with the batch |
| 00:15:52 | dionoea | (does the interface at least display ?) |
| 00:15:58 | Shadowrazor | yes |
| 00:16:03 | bluebrother | damn, again conflicts to my changes. |
| 00:16:14 | dionoea | did you look in C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC ? |
| 00:16:16 | Shadowrazor | the seekbar moves to the right until the end |
| 00:16:17 | Shadowrazor | yes |
| 00:16:30 | dionoea | did you look in the folder where the original Video is stored ? |
| 00:16:32 | Shadowrazor | i even searched it |
| 00:16:36 | * | dionoea looks at the batch file |
| 00:16:36 | Shadowrazor | yes |
| 00:16:41 | Mikachu | strace :) |
| 00:17:06 | Bagder | strace is Your Friend |
| 00:18:05 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: try editing the .bat, and change %1.m2v into something like C:\test.m2v |
| 00:18:17 | Shadowrazor | oke, i'll try it |
| 00:18:28 | * | dionoea doesn't know how .bat files work ... should be pretty similar to /bin/sh i guess |
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| 00:18:48 | Mikachu | with the icon commit, items are always indented... a waste of space on my small nano |
| 00:18:56 | Mikachu | even when there's no scrollbar, that is |
| 00:19:16 | Bagder | ouch |
| 00:19:26 | tucoz | bluebrother: sorry for messing up your local tree (in case I did) ;) |
| 00:19:34 | Mikachu | i still don't think it makes sense to show the dir icon for the path |
| 00:19:37 | Mikachu | it's always a dir... |
| 00:20:01 | Shadowrazor | dionoea, it didnt save it on my c drive :( |
| 00:20:26 | encode | does anyone know if i can get an aac file created using the nero aac encoder to play on my rockbox'd ipod? |
| 00:20:34 | * | Mikachu hacks code |
| 00:20:35 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: ok, remove the −−sout...... part. Does the file play ? :) |
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| 00:21:20 | bluebrother | has there been a decision on the menu rewriting? From reading the mailing list it looks like it still is in discussion, but that comment confused me: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5833#comment9678 |
| 00:21:28 | Shadowrazor | yes it does :p |
| 00:21:33 | bluebrother | tucoz, no problem ;-) It's always the same lines. |
| 00:22:14 | bluebrother | I was playing around a bit with adding the menu structure but it gets huge. |
| 00:22:15 | Shadowrazor | dionoea, does the batch works for you? |
| 00:22:32 | dionoea | i didn't try the batch ... i only wrote the command line |
| 00:22:41 | Shadowrazor | ok |
| 00:22:44 | dionoea | but it definitively should work |
| 00:23:19 | tucoz | the menu is probably larger than one can imagine |
| 00:23:20 | Shadowrazor | it doesnt work for me :( i even tried it on an other computer |
| 00:23:43 | bluebrother | it is. I've left out a lot and it already has ~3 pages. |
| 00:23:49 | tucoz | And imo in need for a rework. |
| 00:23:52 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: could you append "−−extraintf logger" to the command line and paste the contents of the vlc-log.txt file created on http://paste.videolan.org ? |
| 00:24:02 | dionoea | −−extraintf=logger -vvv |
| 00:24:03 | dionoea | sorry |
| 00:24:19 | Shadowrazor | oke |
| 00:24:22 | bluebrother | different topic: it's a bit strange "stop" stops playback in the file browser but not in all other tree views. |
| 00:24:57 | tucoz | what is stop elsewhere? cancel? |
| 00:25:10 | bluebrother | makes it a bit hard to describe a "generic" tree view in the quick start section. |
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| 00:25:16 | bluebrother | yes, it's cancel. |
| 00:25:19 | Shadowrazor | I can read in the dosbox: "couldnt open encoder" |
| 00:25:49 | dionoea | mp2v encoder ?!? |
| 00:26:03 | tucoz | well, not so strange maybe. As the file browser is the "root" of rockbox, and all the other trees are settings. |
| 00:26:36 | tucoz | but a bit inconsistent, yes |
| 00:27:22 | bluebrother | that's the problem. It's inconsistent and requirest a lot of sentences that are a bit too much for a quick description of the basic navigation. |
| 00:28:14 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: i'll need to get some sleep pretty soon ... please hurry up :) (or wait for "dionoea_work" to login in 9 hours :p ) |
| 00:28:36 | Shadowrazor | [00000286] logger interface: using logger... |
| 00:28:52 | Shadowrazor | [00000346] ffmpeg encoder error: cannot open encoder |
| 00:28:57 | bluebrother | I think "play" should always return to wps and "stop" always stop playback. Would be more consistent and also make it easier to describe. |
| 00:29:10 | Shadowrazor | [00000363] main private error: cannot resolve stream-0-mpga. port 1234 : Host or service not found |
| 00:29:19 | tucoz | but maybe that is impossible on some targets? |
| 00:29:21 | Shadowrazor | [00000363] access_output_udp private error: failed to open a connection (udp) |
| 00:29:27 | dionoea | that's the audio encoder :) doesn't really matter :p |
| 00:29:31 | Shadowrazor | [00000363] main private error: cannot delete object (363, (null)) with children |
| 00:29:31 | dan_a_away | saratoga: I'm just looking at the profiling now. I should have it fixed in CVS soon. |
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| 00:29:40 | bluebrother | like FS #5294 does. At least partly. |
| 00:29:40 | dionoea | can't you paste the full log on http://paste.videolan.org ? |
| 00:29:42 | Shadowrazor | [00000284] main playlist: nothing to play |
| 00:29:44 | Shadowrazor | ok |
| 00:29:55 | Shadowrazor | but it doesnt stores it in the vlc folder |
| 00:31:26 | Shadowrazor | http://paste.videolan.org/316 |
| 00:32:07 | dionoea | with -vvv too on the command line please :) |
| 00:32:30 | Shadowrazor | a okay |
| 00:32:53 | bluebrother | tucoz, maybe, but at least it should work this way on the targets it is possible IMO |
| 00:33:25 | saratoga | dan_a: Thanks a lot! |
| 00:33:35 | Shadowrazor | http://paste.videolan.org/317 |
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| 00:34:28 | tucoz | I havent thought of that issue before, but i am starting to agree with you, |
| 00:34:36 | tucoz | . |
| 00:34:40 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: # |
| 00:34:40 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: [00000346] ffmpeg encoder warning: MPEG1/2 does not support 2997/125 fps |
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| 00:34:43 | dionoea | # (mpeg2video@00BB4210 |
| 00:34:48 | dionoea | mpeg2 is pretty strict on frame rates |
| 00:34:56 | dionoea | add fps=25 in #transcode |
| 00:35:00 | Shadowrazor | owtch |
| 00:35:13 | dionoea | or 29.97 |
| 00:35:21 | Shadowrazor | thanks dionea |
| 00:35:30 | dionoea | and let me know if it works :) |
| 00:35:58 | Shadowrazor | it takes much longer now, i think it works! |
| 00:36:50 | bluebrother | tucoz, I _could_ use \ActionStdCancel for cancel −− but in the file browser it's partly stopping playback as ActionStdCancel is "left / stop" (h120) |
| 00:37:28 | bluebrother | tucoz, you're interested in the current state of the quickstart stuff? |
| 00:37:58 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: i edited the wiki page to add that info |
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| 00:38:22 | tucoz | not now. I am using my gf´s mac and watching a movie :) |
| 00:38:40 | tucoz | but tomorrow I am |
| 00:38:57 | dionoea | Shadowrazor: did it work ? |
| 00:39:17 | Shadowrazor | it is still encoding, I'll take a smaller movie :p |
| 00:39:40 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rockbox-build.pdf −− I also changed the button names to use a bold font. |
| 00:39:42 | dionoea | or add −−stop-time=60 to encode the first 60 seconds only to test |
| 00:39:50 | Shadowrazor | okay |
| 00:40:01 | Shadowrazor | it worked but the resolution is wrong :p |
| 00:40:11 | dionoea | great :) |
| 00:40:12 | bluebrother | I guess you'll find the link in the logs but I'll be online tomorrow again ;-) |
| 00:40:20 | dionoea | 'night everyone |
| 00:40:37 | Shadowrazor | thank you very much dionoea :p |
| 00:40:43 | dionoea | you're welcome :) |
| 00:40:59 | tucoz | ok. I´ll have a look then. See you and good night |
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| 00:45:38 | Shadowrazor | I want to add subtitles, should i add −−subsdec "path" to add subs? |
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| 00:47:04 | dionoea | you add −−sub-track=0 to command line and ,soverlay in transcode (and use the same filename for the subs file as for the video) |
| 00:47:05 | Shadowrazor | i guess not because he gives an error :s |
| 00:47:18 | dionoea | if it doesn't work, you join #videolan and ask people not sleeeping :) |
| 00:47:52 | dionoea | I'll update the wiki page tomorrow |
| 00:48:43 | Shadowrazor | oke thx :p |
| 00:49:16 | Shadowrazor | i'm going to sleep, bye all |
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| 01:10:01 | dan_a | Could somebody give me a quick hand with the profiling code? Or at least something in C that I'm not too sure about? |
| 01:10:50 | Mikachu | i'm no c expert but it's worth a shot? |
| 01:11:23 | dan_a | In rockbox/firmware/export/profile.h, there is a line "extern int current_thread;", then several of the prototypes have "int current_thread" as one of the arguments |
| 01:12:03 | Mikachu | that's probably not a good idea |
| 01:12:21 | dan_a | Would the behaviour be any different if the extern int wasn't there? |
| 01:12:41 | Mikachu | the names in prototypes don't matter, you can put just foo(int, bool); |
| 01:13:46 | dan_a | The same name is also used in the functions, so inside the functions which value of current_thread would be used? The one passed as an argument or the extern one? |
| 01:14:03 | Mikachu | the argument would shadow the external one |
| 01:14:11 | Mikachu | but current_thread isn't actually defined anywhere... |
| 01:14:26 | Mikachu | in a global context |
| 01:14:55 | Mikachu | so something is not right |
| 01:15:03 | dan_a | static int current_thread used to be defined in firmware/thread.c |
| 01:15:12 | Mikachu | yeah but that's a static |
| 01:15:18 | Mikachu | so you can't refer to it from other files |
| 01:15:34 | Mikachu | i think you can just remove the extern declaration |
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| 01:16:15 | Mikachu | i'm guessing current_thread in thread.c was global first |
| 01:16:21 | Mikachu | and profile.c used it directly |
| 01:16:32 | Mikachu | then it was changed to be passed in via arguments, but the extern decl was left by accident |
| 01:17:04 | dan_a | That would make sense - I'll have a look at the version of thread.c from the time that profile.c was written and see |
| 01:19:08 | Mikachu | when current_thread was added to thread.c it was a static int |
| 01:19:16 | Mikachu | but there is only one rev of profile.h |
| 01:19:22 | Mikachu | which suggests it was developed outside cvs |
| 01:20:23 | dan_a | I wonder if lostlogic is around and able to advise? |
| 01:20:48 | Mikachu | i am about 80% sure i'm right :) |
| 01:21:49 | Mikachu | the compiler started complaining when you changed the current_thread to an array because of this extern declaration? |
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| 01:23:05 | dan_a | No, the compiler doesn't complain, but Doom fails to compile and I couldn't work out what was going on, so I looked for help rather than blindly committing! |
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| 01:24:30 | Wallakoala | hello can anybody tells me why whenever I am using a theme that has one of those graphical equalizer things, every song I play has weird pauses in it. With other themes it is fine. I am using an ipod mini |
| 01:26:15 | dan_a | Wallakoala: That is because we've not made the MP3 decoder as good as it can be, so if there's lots going on the processor can't keep up, leading to skips. |
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| 01:26:53 | Wallakoala | so...is there anyway to disable that graphical thing because only the themes with that make it skip? |
| 01:29:01 | dan_a | Pick a theme without them, or edit the While Playing Screen (WPS) so it doesn't have them. There's documentation in the Wiki on changing the WPS |
| 01:29:20 | Wallakoala | ok thanks dan_a |
| 01:29:32 | dan_a | No problem! |
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| 01:32:34 | Mikachu | Wallakoala: you want to remove %pm from the .wps file |
| 01:33:11 | Wallakoala | Mikachu, is that all I have to do? |
| 01:33:30 | Mikachu | should do it |
| 01:34:47 | Wallakoala | Mikachu where is the .wps file for the default theme located? |
| 01:35:16 | Mikachu | it's hardcoded |
| 01:35:49 | Wallakoala | ah |
| 01:36:41 | Mikachu | you can find it somewhere on the wiki |
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| 01:40:01 | JdGordon | "and list titles now left-justified." <- noooooooooooooo! |
| 01:41:43 | Mikachu | i vote for revert :) |
| 01:41:49 | Mikachu | i don't like the icon and indented items |
| 01:42:20 | JdGordon | I dont mind the diea.. but make it an option |
| 01:42:37 | * | JdGordon hasnt checked what it looks like on the player yet |
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| 02:21:56 | firenx | ok i need a fm transmitter for my ipod |
| 02:22:04 | firenx | do they all work with rockbox? |
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| 02:22:23 | JdGordon | not the ones that connect to the ipod connector |
| 02:22:26 | scorche | any one that plugs into *just* the headphone port will work |
| 02:26:15 | firenx | ah ok cool |
| 02:26:19 | firenx | so thats what i need |
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| 02:33:22 | BigMac | woh |
| 02:33:31 | BigMac | the forums got a rehaul eh? |
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| 02:34:12 | scorche | no...you are just imagining it |
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| 02:35:11 | BigMac | well that is very possible |
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| 02:44:12 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6056.0 |
| 02:44:43 | scorche | as "forum glitchiness" |
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| 02:50:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: What glitchiness is there? |
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| 02:51:28 | Wallakoala | i am just wondering...is there radio support for the iaudio x5 in rockbox? |
| 02:54:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, anyone with commit access around? |
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| 03:00:38 | jhMikeS | why would the wps progress bar and time display cease to update after a certain point on a file even though the audio file has more to play and continues to play to the end after that point? |
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| 03:01:11 | jhMikeS | This is true for all current recording formats: MP3,WAV,WV |
| 03:01:45 | * | jhMikeS needs a clue HELP! |
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| 03:04:25 | dongs | duno |
| 03:04:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Is it putting the proper information in the headers? |
| 03:04:33 | dongs | but sounds like another 'feature request' to me |
| 03:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: And why would *that* be a feature request, if it's something not working as intended? |
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| 03:05:29 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I really don't know... |
| 03:05:36 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: because apparently this group considers 'shit not workign as intended' feature requests. |
| 03:05:38 | jhMikeS | It's always about 2s from the end |
| 03:06:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: No, "not working as the developers intend" is a bug. "Working how the developers intend, but not you intend" is a feature request. I can see how you may be confused, but this project doesn't belong to you. |
| 03:06:46 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I thought MP3 length was calculated based on bitrate/framesize/filesize |
| 03:07:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: I'm not really certain. Is it a constant amount (Like, a file 1 minute long has the same ~2 seconds as a 5 second file?) As well, what to computer-based players (or maybe even the original firmware) feel about those files? |
| 03:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Though in this case, it wouldn't be a "Bug Report" because the feature he's working on doesn't even exist in Rockbox. He's trying to get a popular patch up to speed. |
| 03:08:46 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerds: Pretty much fixed...might vary +/- 1s. I haven't tested computer based players yet but I find it odd that splits don't have the problem unless they're the last in the series. |
| 03:09:25 | * | jhMikeS is sorry to have called Paul_The_Nerd "Paul_The_Nerds" :) |
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| 03:10:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Hmm.... Does the amount that's skipped at the end depend on the compression level? |
| 03:11:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or not skipped, but not progressing, or whatever to call it |
| 03:11:34 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Haven't seen that. |
| 03:11:54 | jhMikeS | WMP shows correct time on MP3's I recorded...should try WAV too |
| 03:14:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird |
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| 03:26:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdG|uni: Maintenance. |
| 03:26:53 | jhMikeS | What's weirder is that it knows the correct length and displays it. |
| 03:29:38 | JdG|uni | who wants to do my lisp or sml assignement for me?? they are bnoth due tomorow :'( |
| 03:30:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdG|uni: Apparently the current version of the forums has a bug with the subject cache which *may* be responsible for the issue we're having with "Reply" sometimes starting a new post. |
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| 03:31:09 | JdG|uni | oh? sounds good if its fixed |
| 03:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the newest version supposedly fixes it. |
| 03:31:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | We'll find out once I finish updating. |
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| 03:36:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd was kinda hoping this wouldn't take forever, but ah well. |
| 03:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | sonuvabitch. |
| 03:42:41 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why we have a "rockbox" theme is that wasn't what we were using |
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| 03:50:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd begins work on fixing the forums. :( |
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| 03:53:46 | Crackerizer | Hello, dan_a |
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| 04:06:51 | dongs | i would imagine fixing rockbox would be higher priority for a um, 'rockbox developer' channel. |
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| 04:17:33 | webguest19 | hey |
| 04:17:44 | sharpe | Hello. |
| 04:17:59 | webguest19 | can i ask sth? |
| 04:18:12 | webguest19 | i canNOT solve it myself |
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| 04:18:15 | sharpe | sth? |
| 04:18:20 | webguest19 | something |
| 04:18:25 | sharpe | Sure. |
| 04:18:28 | webguest19 | um, |
| 04:18:49 | webguest19 | i just wanted to save the Equalizer in Nano |
| 04:19:11 | webguest19 | and enter [ save eq~ preset] rihgt? |
| 04:19:35 | sharpe | Hmm? Where would you enter that? |
| 04:19:53 | webguest19 | rockbox |
| 04:19:58 | webguest19 | sound setting |
| 04:20:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, so you've gotten to save EQ preset, then what? |
| 04:20:12 | Crackerizer | dan_a, are you here? |
| 04:20:26 | webguest19 | nono |
| 04:20:28 | sharpe | I thought he meant he was typing that somewhere. |
| 04:20:40 | webguest19 | the way to save eq preset.. |
| 04:21:25 | webguest19 | souond settings-> equalizer->save eq preset then |
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| 04:22:25 | webguest19 | slash .rockbox/eqs/~.cfg like this |
| 04:22:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | You haven't yet asked a question... |
| 04:23:01 | sharpe | webguest19: Hold the select button until it tells you it's saved it... |
| 04:23:02 | webguest19 | ? |
| 04:23:36 | webguest19 | and how can i browse it? |
| 04:23:49 | webguest19 | it's really hard stuff |
| 04:24:17 | sharpe | From the 'Browse EQ Presets' option in the same menu as the 'Save EQ Presets' option... |
| 04:24:27 | webguest19 | ok i'll do it. |
| 04:24:37 | webguest19 | any way...thx |
| 04:24:44 | webguest19 | :] |
| 04:24:45 | sharpe | Uh... Welcome. |
| 04:24:54 | [HO]vo|t | sharpe did your direct deposit go through or do you know yet |
| 04:25:16 | sharpe | Wha? |
| 04:25:33 | [HO]vo|t | sharpe != scorche SORRY |
| 04:25:42 | sharpe | How did I know that... |
| 04:25:50 | [HO]vo|t | it happens :) |
| 04:26:00 | sharpe | More often than not it seems lately. |
| 04:26:14 | [HO]vo|t | nick sharpe^notscorche |
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| 04:44:27 | scorche | =) |
| 04:44:54 | scorche | [HO]vo|t: i have been busy, so i did not have the time to do it yet |
| 04:45:25 | scorche | and sharpe was so excited to see his name be referenced... |
| 04:45:39 | sharpe | Yes. It makes my day so much better. |
| 04:47:01 | scorche | too bad it was for me =) |
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| 04:48:21 | sharpe | Yeah... too bad.. |
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| 04:57:19 | Crackerizer | Hello, is there someone own a 3g ipod here? |
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| 05:39:37 | Crackerizer | Is there any way to run ipod updater and let it restore a hard drive instead of ipod?? |
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| 05:47:45 | RoC_MM | what? |
| 05:48:18 | RoC_MM | y? |
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| 06:11:56 | Crackerizer | RoC_MM: do you own a 3g ipod? |
| 06:12:08 | RoC_MM | Used to. |
| 06:12:16 | RoC_MM | what is this with ipod updater? |
| 06:12:57 | Crackerizer | My ipod's usb and firewire dont work. |
| 06:13:16 | Crackerizer | but the ipod is still functioning. |
| 06:14:58 | Crackerizer | I always sync my song directly to the ipod's hard drive using an IDE to ipod HDD adapter. |
| 06:17:15 | Crackerizer | But yesterday, i accidently deleted all ipod file structure including iPod_Control by trying to install rockbox. |
| 06:17:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Installing Rockbox doesn't involve deleting that. |
| 06:18:02 | Crackerizer | I know. It was my fault. |
| 06:19:17 | Crackerizer | now, my ipod doent recognize its HDD. It always show the "folder" icon. |
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| 06:22:19 | Crackerizer | Can i install rockbox without the ipod original directory structure? |
| 06:22:28 | encode | yes |
| 06:22:34 | encode | it doesnt rely on it at all |
| 06:22:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox doesn't require the iPod directory structure at all |
| 06:23:07 | Crackerizer | emm, this is strange. |
| 06:23:27 | Crackerizer | i did it yesterday. but it didnt work. |
| 06:24:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | "it" |
| 06:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 06:24:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, didn't work how? |
| 06:26:10 | Crackerizer | I dont know. I follow every steps in the rockbox installation instruction. But no luck. |
| 06:26:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, what *does* happen? |
| 06:26:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | We can't help you without knowing how far you got, and what showed up on your screen, at the very least |
| 06:26:51 | blacks | I just installed rockbox today and (apparently unnecessarily) deleted my ipod directories, it works fine |
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| 06:27:55 | Crackerizer | I'll be back, talk to you again. |
| 06:42:40 | RoC_MM | sounds like maybe messed up bootloader? |
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| 06:52:05 | JdGordon | hmmm... in the entire rocbox code the menu callbacl parameter is used twice! does anyone know what its for? |
| 06:59:23 | Crackerizer | I'm back. |
| 06:59:35 | Crackerizer | I'm not sure. |
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| 07:00:39 | Crackerizer | Does the ipod bios read anything from HDD at start up(apple logo shown up)? |
| 07:01:11 | sharpe | The bootloader. |
| 07:01:24 | Crackerizer | In case of corrupted boot loader, how do i fix it? |
| 07:01:31 | sharpe | Reinstall it. |
| 07:01:53 | Crackerizer | I did backup the original firmware partition. |
| 07:01:56 | sharpe | And be sure you install the correct one. |
| 07:02:54 | sharpe | There have been cases where people used a bootloader _not_ built for their type of iPod... |
| 07:03:24 | Crackerizer | If i run "ipodpatcher -w 1 bootpartition.bin" where bootpartition.bin is the original firmware. Should it be ok? |
| 07:03:44 | sharpe | yes, it should. |
| 07:04:11 | Crackerizer | Emm, i did it several times. but it didnt work. |
| 07:05:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | bootpartition.bin was the file created when you did "ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin" which you've only done ONCE EVER which was before you first installed any custom firmware of any sort on your iPod? |
| 07:05:44 | Crackerizer | Yes, |
| 07:06:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, when you say "it didn't work", what happens exactly? |
| 07:06:51 | Crackerizer | After the apple logo, there is a folder icon shown up and then the ipod restarts. |
| 07:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | How big is the bootpartition.bin file, and what sort of iPod do you have exactly? |
| 07:07:40 | Crackerizer | ~ 41 megs |
| 07:07:57 | Crackerizer | I have a 3g ipod. |
| 07:09:05 | Crackerizer | I notice that iPodWizard used to recognize the ipod's HDD before the directory structure is deleted. |
| 07:09:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now, a few questions: It's a windows iPod originally? The second partition is Fat32? |
| 07:09:21 | Crackerizer | Yes, it is. |
| 07:09:23 | amiconn | Bagder: The video you posted (Sansa) contains "Apple Motion JPEG B" 160x208 video at 15fps and 16bit stereo 11kHz PCM audio according to Quicktime |
| 07:09:25 | Crackerizer | yes |
| 07:10:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Crackerizer: Well, I'm not sure what's going wrong. I'd recommend backing up your music, and reformatting it and using the restore tool. |
| 07:12:34 | Crackerizer | Well, that's the point. i cant use the restore tool because i dont connect the ipod with usb nor firewire. |
| 07:13:03 | Crackerizer | because the usb and firewire port dont work. |
| 07:13:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | ah... |
| 07:13:51 | Crackerizer | The ipod is functioning. the HDD is fine. |
| 07:14:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, that's really outside the scope of what I can help with then. |
| 07:14:26 | Crackerizer | .... |
| 07:14:33 | Crackerizer | Sad story :) |
| 07:14:45 | Crackerizer | but thank you anyway. |
| 07:14:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did Rockbox ever work? |
| 07:15:08 | Crackerizer | Yes, it did. |
| 07:15:13 | sharpe | Crackerizer: Are you in disk mode when you tried to copy the firmware back over? |
| 07:15:31 | Crackerizer | and i dont remember why i've done to it. |
| 07:16:08 | Crackerizer | sharpe: no, please read above message. i dont use usb or firewire. |
| 07:16:53 | Crackerizer | a few question, is the firmware partition important? can i delete it, reformat etc...? |
| 07:16:56 | * | Febs wonders how Crackerizer gets music onto his player. |
| 07:17:30 | sharpe | Crackerizer: Okay. When you tried to copy it over, *how* did you? |
| 07:17:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: He's using an enclosure. |
| 07:17:46 | Crackerizer | Febs: it's fun, isnt it?, I use 3rd party software like retune to put my song and update itune db. |
| 07:18:05 | Febs | OK, and how does that work? Magic? |
| 07:18:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Crackerizer: The firmware partition is absolutely important. That's where the iPod's operating system would be stored, except somehow you screwed yours up. |
| 07:18:24 | Crackerizer | well, it just woks. i dont know:) |
| 07:18:45 | sharpe | Crackerizer: So you're taking your iPod HDD out, every time you want to put something on it? |
| 07:20:03 | Crackerizer | ah, i remembered. last night, i tried to install the ipodlinux on my ipod but there was something wrong with my internet connection. So i aborted it. |
| 07:20:40 | Crackerizer | sharpe: yes, but you dont update your song everyday.. do you? :) |
| 07:21:09 | sharpe | No, but I do change some files almost every day. |
| 07:21:37 | Crackerizer | sharpe:.... :) |
| 07:22:20 | Crackerizer | I think ipod linux installer screwed the firmware partition. |
| 07:22:56 | sharpe | Crackerizer: So you just don't have a usb port on your computer, or does it not work that way either? |
| 07:23:39 | Crackerizer | I do have both usb and firewire and both are working fine. the problem is at my ipod. |
| 07:24:23 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: has the option to change your custom title disapeared? |
| 07:24:25 | sharpe | So when you try it with them, do you just not get a connection to your iPod at all? |
| 07:24:58 | Febs | Crackerizer, have you *tried* the restore tool? |
| 07:24:59 | Crackerizer | not at all. it used to but........ |
| 07:25:11 | Febs | Or are you just *assuming* that it won't work? |
| 07:25:44 | Crackerizer | Febs: ipod updater doesn recognize the ipod's HDD. |
| 07:25:55 | Crackerizer | I really want to use it. |
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| 07:26:54 | Crackerizer | I even tried to hack the updater and make it bypass the check. but i'm not good enough. :( |
| 07:26:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Try again. |
| 07:27:12 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 07:27:28 | sharpe | Entertain me, when you do try to use the iPod with a USB connection, is your iPod in disk mode? |
| 07:27:29 | encode | i wonder if Crackerizer could get the bootloader from someone else with the same generation ipod, and try that |
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| 07:27:50 | encode | sharpe: he's already said that his usb connection doesnt work. |
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| 07:28:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: For some reason, developers had it disabled. |
| 07:28:18 | sharpe | encode: Yes, I know. I wanted to know if he has been trying in diskmode, or just with the USB cable connected. |
| 07:28:18 | Febs | Encode, then how could he "get the bootloader from someone else ... and try that"? |
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| 07:28:49 | Crackerizer | sharpe: first of all, the usb dead, then i bought a firewire card. It worked great for a couple days and then .... gone. |
| 07:29:02 | JdGordon | hehe /me made a funny |
| 07:29:04 | encode | < Crackerizer> I always sync my song directly to the ipod's hard drive using an IDE to |
| 07:29:06 | JdGordon | Anti-Developer :D |
| 07:29:20 | JdGordon | although that doesnt make much snece in english :p |
| 07:29:23 | encode | err |
| 07:29:24 | encode | < Crackerizer> I always sync my song directly to the ipod's hard drive using an IDE to |
| 07:29:27 | encode | ipod HDD adapter. |
| 07:29:27 | Crackerizer | encode: I did backup the boot loader. |
| 07:29:30 | encode | that |
| 07:29:59 | * | Paul_The_Nerd considers removing custom titles, since they *are* a distraction. |
| 07:30:04 | sharpe | Crackerizer: Okay, then are you in diskmode when you use it via firewire, or do you just have the cable connected? |
| 07:30:32 | Crackerizer | encode: that's why rockbox is ideal for me. :) you dont need any stupid itune db. |
| 07:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I think I'm in love: http://mods.simplemachines.org/index.php?mod=430 |
| 07:32:19 | Crackerizer | sharpe: I was in diskmode and i could do any i want as a normal ipod for a few days (2 days? maybe). |
| 07:32:43 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: Nice! |
| 07:33:06 | Crackerizer | sharpe: then the firewire dead. |
| 07:34:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I'm going through the mods lists and seeing what we can do to improve the environment a bit. |
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| 07:36:08 | sharpe | Crackerizer: And you're sure it's the iPod, do other devices work fine on the usb and firewire ports? |
| 07:37:13 | Febs | Time for bed. Goodnight folks. |
| 07:37:30 | Crackerizer | sharpe: usb works fine. not sure about firewire. |
| 07:37:38 | Crackerizer | bye febs. |
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| 07:39:22 | | Quit Febs ("Goodnight to the folks Gracie.") |
| 07:39:58 | Crackerizer | sharpe: what is your player? |
| 07:40:24 | sharpe | 5G iPod. |
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| 07:40:36 | LayDwnAnDie | is anyone out there? |
| 07:41:14 | Crackerizer | emm, does it use the same directory sturcture as 3g? |
| 07:41:43 | sharpe | If you're talking about the 'iPod_Control' and subdirectories, yes. |
| 07:41:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Crackerizer: It's the firmware you need to restore, not the directory structures. |
| 07:42:13 | LayDwnAnDie | have a question does the rockbox ipod video now play video |
| 07:42:14 | LayDwnAnDie | ? |
| 07:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Limited video |
| 07:42:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | No audio. |
| 07:42:57 | LayDwnAnDie | damn |
| 07:43:02 | sharpe | LayDwnAnDie: Sort of. |
| 07:43:10 | LayDwnAnDie | what do you mean ? |
| 07:43:13 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: They all only ask for video anyway, they never ask about audio. :D |
| 07:43:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:43:59 | LayDwnAnDie | So it plays some video and audio on the rockbox? |
| 07:44:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Audio plays fine on Rockbox. |
| 07:44:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Video plays slowly, but it plays |
| 07:44:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Video+Audio does not work. |
| 07:45:03 | Crackerizer | I think i'll try ipod linux again.... |
| 07:45:11 | LayDwnAnDie | oh something that will be fixed in new versions or will never work ? |
| 07:45:19 | Crackerizer | go back to the source of problem. |
| 07:46:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll be fixed one day |
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| 07:46:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Line numbers in [code][/code] blocks, good idea or no? I'm thinking "no" but it does seem like it could be convenient. |
| 07:47:42 | Bg3r | morning:) |
| 07:47:57 | Crackerizer | is dan_a sleeping? |
| 07:48:00 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Well... hmm. I would think it'd be a good idea. |
| 07:48:11 | Crackerizer | he owns an 3g too. |
| 07:48:21 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Is there an option for the poster to turn them on/off? |
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| 07:51:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I don't think so. Which is the problem |
| 07:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe I can implement a [numberedcode] block or something |
| 07:52:18 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 07:52:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll leave that for later |
| 07:52:25 | sharpe | Indeed. |
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| 07:57:40 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: How long have nick colors been shown in the Started by/Last post columns? |
| 07:57:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: About 5 minutes. |
| 07:58:29 | sharpe | Ah. Okay. Just making sure I didn't just notice them after they've been that way all along. |
| 07:59:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The colors *should* be active everywhere now. |
| 07:59:29 | sharpe | Aye... |
| 07:59:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an easy revert and pretty flexibly customizable if they turn out to not be beneficial in some screens. |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I think it helps to instantly see which posts are started by badged members. |
| 08:00:19 | sharpe | Well, now that you've added the coder and artist badges, we have more of a rainbow now. |
| 08:00:30 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: Febs seems to be both a mod and an expert... |
| 08:00:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Indeed he is. |
| 08:01:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | He was given the 'Expert' title before he became a mod, and my feeling is that he still deserves it. |
| 08:01:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'll also notice that Bagder, LinusN, and Zagor, in the rare occasions that they post, have their Admin/Mod badges alongside Developer ones. |
| 08:02:11 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: ah... |
| 08:02:33 | sharpe | scorche: duh... :) |
| 08:02:37 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: personally, i dont like the colors showing up on the side of their post, when their badges will do |
| 08:02:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: In the left, you mean? I was considering disabling that. |
| 08:02:55 | scorche | yeah |
| 08:03:31 | scorche | at least change the expert color...it can be a pain on the eyes sometimes =) |
| 08:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 08:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | How 'bout now, with the regular color? |
| 08:04:18 | scorche | batter =) |
| 08:04:23 | scorche | cake that is... |
| 08:04:40 | sharpe | I had a PM about an hour ago, about getting rockboy to work... and also where to get roms... |
| 08:04:41 | scorche | >_> |
| 08:04:57 | scorche | let me guess...ritesh? |
| 08:05:05 | sharpe | Actually, nope. |
| 08:05:08 | scorche | =O |
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| 08:06:13 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: is there any type of "Punch User" module? =) |
| 08:06:24 | scorche | or at least slap |
| 08:06:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 08:06:35 | sharpe | I wish... |
| 08:06:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | As a small added bonus, users can now only use 3 smilies per post. |
| 08:07:23 | scorche | unless that also gives them basic logic and comprehension skills, i am still not happy =( |
| 08:07:23 | sharpe | So they can only go though a bipolar cycle one and a half times, yay... |
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| 08:16:02 | webguest59 | were can i get rockboy? |
| 08:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest59: I suggest reading the manual. |
| 08:16:15 | webguest59 | anyone? |
| 08:16:16 | sharpe | webguest59: It's already with Rockbox. |
| 08:16:29 | webguest59 | 5th generation ipod? |
| 08:16:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest59: MANUAL. |
| 08:17:00 | webguest59 | is your real name paul? |
| 08:17:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
| 08:17:14 | webguest59 | lol so is mine |
| 08:17:14 | scorche | no...it is steve |
| 08:17:40 | * | scorche notices that his humor has fizzled out for the night |
| 08:18:06 | sharpe | Can I tell everyone my name? |
| 08:18:23 | webguest59 | rockboy isnt on here |
| 08:18:27 | sharpe | Or, do I get to? |
| 08:18:35 | sharpe | webguest59: Read the manual, or the wiki. |
| 08:18:37 | webguest59 | i went to browse pligins |
| 08:19:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest59: Which is NOT what we told you to do. |
| 08:19:27 | webguest59 | hold on ill brb i wanna change my name |
| 08:19:32 | | Part webguest59 |
| 08:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you'd opened the manual and searched for "Rockboy" on the other hand, you'd know how to use it already |
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| 08:20:02 | XxBigP123xX | ah much better |
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| 08:20:16 | | Join sharpe` [0] (n=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 08:21:12 | sharpe` | I hate my router... |
| 08:21:17 | XxBigP123xX | ok im on the wiki |
| 08:21:58 | XxBigP123xX | and it says nothing about rock boy accept Rockboy Game Boy emulator (port of Gnuboy |
| 08:23:08 | sharpe` | XxBigP123xX: Read the next line and comprehend it. |
| 08:23:53 | XxBigP123xX | Doom (port of the PrBoom engine) |
| 08:24:11 | sharpe` | ... |
| 08:24:15 | XxBigP123xX | im sry im a semi-n00b |
| 08:24:27 | sharpe` | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginRockboy |
| 08:25:09 | XxBigP123xX | thank you SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO much sharpe |
| 08:26:36 | sharpe` | You're welcome. |
| 08:27:26 | XxBigP123xX | now just one more question |
| 08:27:43 | XxBigP123xX | were should i get roms(if your allowed to say) |
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| 08:28:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Search homebrew sites for legal roms. |
| 08:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Discussion of commercial ROMs isn't allowed here. |
| 08:29:08 | sharpe` | You wouldn't happen to be the person who sent me a PM on the forums on the exact same thing would you? |
| 08:29:19 | XxBigP123xX | ok thanks |
| 08:29:22 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if a "Staff" page seems like a good idea? |
| 08:29:23 | XxBigP123xX | i didnt know |
| 08:29:36 | sharpe` | Paul_The_Nerd: For what? |
| 08:29:49 | XxBigP123xX | idk |
| 08:30:30 | XxBigP123xX | what folder do i put the roms in |
| 08:30:35 | sharpe` | Any. |
| 08:30:42 | XxBigP123xX | k |
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| 08:32:18 | sharpe` | XxBigP123xX: Have you registered on the forums recently? |
| 08:32:32 | XxBigP123xX | havent tought of it yet |
| 08:32:38 | sharpe` | Alright. |
| 08:32:46 | XxBigP123xX | probablly gonna tomarrow |
| 08:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe`: Forums. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=staff |
| 08:33:12 | sharpe` | Aww. I can't view it. |
| 08:33:19 | XxBigP123xX | k geuss ill do it now lol |
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| 08:33:49 | Bagder | 410 people on the rockbox map now |
| 08:34:01 | Bagder | still none in Africa |
| 08:34:02 | XxBigP123xX | done |
| 08:34:19 | sharpe` | Bagder: Should I add myself to it? |
| 08:34:26 | Bagder | yes! |
| 08:34:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe`: What does it say? |
| 08:35:04 | sharpe` | Paul_The_Nerd: "You can not view the staff list." |
| 08:35:38 | | Quit XxBigP123xX ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 08:35:45 | sharpe` | Bagder: Technically, there is one in Africa :) |
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| 08:36:00 | Bagder | ah, you're right |
| 08:36:08 | XxBigP121xX | wtf? |
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| 08:36:25 | XxBigP121xX | i like got kicked out |
| 08:36:30 | Bagder | sharpe`: but it is very close |
| 08:37:10 | sharpe` | Yep... Should I check the box? Haha. |
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| 08:38:28 | XxBigP121xX | lol my friends pissed cause im playing pacman on my ipod |
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| 08:40:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe`: Try again. |
| 08:41:06 | sharpe` | Paul_The_Nerd: It works. |
| 08:42:00 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: poor lostlogic... |
| 08:42:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm? |
| 08:42:17 | scorche | since may |
| 08:42:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, yeah |
| 08:43:01 | scorche | sharpe`: stop copying my with the grave =) |
| 08:43:06 | scorche | s/me/my |
| 08:43:22 | sharpe` | scorche: C'mon, everyone's doing it. Peer pressure. |
| 08:43:25 | scorche | actually, no smiley face on that.. |
| 08:43:28 | scorche | =/ |
| 08:43:30 | scorche | better |
| 08:43:36 | sharpe` | Ah. That's still a smiley. |
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| 08:44:12 | scorche | no go back to using your underscore like you used to...i am protective over my grave |
| 08:44:23 | sharpe | I never used an underscore... |
| 08:44:28 | scorche | did too |
| 08:44:34 | sharpe | Don't remember it. |
| 08:44:48 | scorche | midkay and i do |
| 08:45:00 | midkay | yes. quit it you craptart. |
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| 08:46:00 | XxBigP121xX | oki just got a rom what folder do you reccomend i put it in( plz dont say any =) |
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| 08:46:15 | sharpe | Anywhere. |
| 08:46:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whichever you want. |
| 08:46:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 08:46:40 | XxBigP121xX | funny guy eh? lol |
| 08:46:58 | scorche | or an honest one.. |
| 08:47:25 | XxBigP121xX | can i just put it in the root directory |
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| 08:47:41 | sharpe | XxBigP121xX: Does that fit 'Anywhere?' |
| 08:47:42 | scorche | i believe that falls under "anywhere" =) |
| 08:48:19 | XxBigP121xX | yes i know your all getting annoyed with me im sry |
| 08:48:25 | XxBigP121xX | lol |
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| 08:48:41 | sharpe | :D |
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| 08:49:43 | XxBigP121xX | it didnt show up |
| 08:49:57 | XxBigP121xX | does it have to be .rom or .gbc |
| 08:50:05 | sharpe | It has to be .gc or .gbc. |
| 08:50:17 | XxBigP121xX | thats what it is |
| 08:50:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | What file view mode are you in? |
| 08:50:42 | XxBigP121xX | ............................................................................. |
| 08:50:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have it set to Anything but "All Files" or "Supported" it probably won't show up. |
| 08:50:46 | XxBigP121xX | ............................ |
| 08:50:48 | XxBigP121xX | idk? |
| 08:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Please, don't spam wasted lines |
| 08:51:03 | XxBigP121xX | k |
| 08:51:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | And please, try reading the manual as I suggested earlier. |
| 08:51:11 | XxBigP121xX | ill try that now |
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| 08:52:19 | XxBigP121xX | it worked! |
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| 08:54:38 | sharpe` | I strongly despise my router... |
| 08:54:38 | | Nick sharpe` is now known as sharpe (n=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 08:54:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I <3 mine. |
| 08:55:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I despise the USB wireless adapter in my desktop though. |
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| 08:55:52 | sharpe | Lately mine's been randomly dropping out connections, and a few hours ago I couldn't get a connection after it had dropped it... |
| 09:00 |
| 09:02:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: The frame skipping in mpegplayer seems to have problems. If I enable it, I don't get any frames displayed (X5) |
| 09:02:40 | sharpe | amiconn: Nor do I. |
| 09:03:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: If I enable it on Nano, it seems to skip a *lot* of frames on a video that barely needs it. |
| 09:03:38 | * | amiconn only has two colour rockbox targets, X5 and H300 |
| 09:07:19 | * | sharpe is going to sleep. |
| 09:07:22 | sharpe | goodnight everyone. |
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| 09:07:39 | Crackerizer | aha, my ipod is back :) |
| 09:08:11 | Crackerizer | thank you everybody... |
| 09:12:43 | dan_a | Crackerizer: Good morning - sorry, I was asleep earlier |
| 09:13:39 | dan_a | Do you still need the iPod_Control folders? |
| 09:13:42 | Crackerizer | never mine dan_a. I know you stay late at night :) |
| 09:13:52 | Crackerizer | no, thank you. |
| 09:14:11 | LinusN | do we have an idea how close we are to being able to decode both video and audio? |
| 09:14:13 | Crackerizer | It's a file system corrupted. |
| 09:15:15 | markun | LinusN: is anyone even working on it? |
| 09:15:27 | Crackerizer | dan_a: i'm ready to mess with rockbox now. but i dont know where to start (i have all tools and sources installed). |
| 09:15:29 | Bagder | did you see my sansa videos yday? |
| 09:15:36 | Bagder | seems they do mjpeg |
| 09:15:59 | Bagder | pretty... lame |
| 09:16:15 | markun | but it makes frame skipping east |
| 09:16:19 | markun | easy even |
| 09:16:30 | Bagder | yeah, but I think they encode them at a speed they can deal with |
| 09:16:41 | Bagder | so they don't frameskip anyway |
| 09:16:55 | amiconn | Bagder: [07:09:22] <amiconn> Bagder: The video you posted (Sansa) contains "Apple Motion JPEG B" 160x208 video at 15fps and 16bit stereo 11kHz PCM audio according to Quicktime |
| 09:16:55 | dan_a | Crackerizer: Compile and install it, use it, and then see what needs improving :) |
| 09:17:11 | Bagder | amiconn: yes |
| 09:17:28 | Bagder | PCM audio is interesting |
| 09:17:48 | amiconn | 11kHz, bah |
| 09:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | My favorite bit about it is that their "Media Converter" won't recognize their own format, so if you copy the movies off, thus removing them from the database, you can't merely copy them back on OR have the converter do it for you, you have to redo the whole conversion. |
| 09:18:01 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:18:21 | * | dwihno just noticed that due to the recent key mapping stuff, on+up/down won't give you pageup/pagedown on the rec20 |
| 09:18:27 | JdGordon | morning guys |
| 09:18:30 | Bagder | amiconn: and the other movie is "motion jpeg A" |
| 09:18:36 | Bagder | whatever A and B is I don't know |
| 09:18:41 | JdGordon | can we go back to centering titles in the list? or at least have it selectable?? |
| 09:19:16 | Crackerizer | dan_a: sounds simple, but....... :) |
| 09:19:20 | amiconn | What I don't like about the new list titles is that the list itself is indented even if there's no scroll bar |
| 09:19:35 | Bagder | that's yuck |
| 09:19:46 | JdGordon | revert the commit... :D |
| 09:19:54 | JdGordon | and then do it again properly :p |
| 09:20:24 | amiconn | I understand _why_ this is so - if it weren't, you couldn't distinguish the folder symbol in fron of the title from an ordinary folder in the list |
| 09:20:48 | amiconn | I think this is solvable by using a different folder icon (filled?) for the list title |
| 09:21:05 | * | Paul_The_Nerd agrees. |
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| 09:52:19 | dionoea_work | 'morning |
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| 10:03:09 | markun | morning dionoea_work |
| 10:03:57 | markun | wow, 410 rockbox users on rasher's page now! |
| 10:05:48 | markun | LinusN: do you live in Russia now? |
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| 10:06:37 | petur | hahaha |
| 10:07:06 | LinusN | markun: lol |
| 10:07:23 | LinusN | how did that happen? |
| 10:08:07 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 10:08:33 | LinusN | i lost my code for changing it, so i couldn't have done it |
| 10:09:06 | markun | evil hackers at work |
| 10:09:06 | Bagder | I think rasher soon needs to stop listing all the people on the same page,... |
| 10:10:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm. There's 3 other people in my city now. |
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| 10:11:22 | Bg3r | Paul_The_Nerd: no more the One:P |
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| 10:11:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was kinda enjoying the whole "Nobody within 300 miles in any given direction" thing. |
| 10:11:47 | JdGordon | haha |
| 10:12:06 | JdGordon | scared they would come knocking on the door in the middle of the night for rb support? :D |
| 10:12:20 | Bg3r | LOL |
| 10:12:28 | Bagder | "I demand help dammit, open the door" |
| 10:12:44 | Bg3r | "okay, no probs, $100/h" :D |
| 10:12:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | "My iPod won't boot! Can you hold Menu+Select for me?" |
| 10:12:52 | Bagder | "doom doesn't work in rockboy on my samsung player!" |
| 10:13:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 10:13:30 | dj-fu | how's rb going hackers? |
| 10:13:37 | dj-fu | i havent' updated my build for a long ass time. |
| 10:13:44 | dj-fu | still in feature freeze? |
| 10:13:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope. Cancelled. |
| 10:13:57 | markun | dj-fu: we decided to stop the project |
| 10:14:08 | dj-fu | shiting me right? |
| 10:14:18 | markun | :) |
| 10:14:23 | JdGordon | didnt the RIAA buy out rockbox? |
| 10:14:35 | * | petur discovers there's a rb user just a few streets away from him |
| 10:15:09 | * | markun knows at least 2 more rockbox users in his city who are not on the map yet |
| 10:15:37 | petur | this map is fun |
| 10:16:05 | * | LinusN packs to go home to russia |
| 10:16:16 | * | petur waves |
| 10:16:20 | markun | LinusN: drive carefully |
| 10:17:02 | markun | dj-fu: which player do you have? |
| 10:17:11 | dj-fu | nano |
| 10:17:21 | LinusN | i am actually an old soviet spy, and now my mission in sweden is over |
| 10:17:22 | markun | Did you know we have a mpeg player now? |
| 10:17:38 | LinusN | they're shutting me down |
| 10:17:47 | markun | outsourced? |
| 10:17:53 | JdGordon | i installed rb on an ipod which wouldnt access the hard disk correctly.. aanyway, i sent it back overseas (to its owner) working, but now its showing the unhappy apple screen when she turns it on.. any ideas what to do? |
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| 10:17:55 | LinusN | i didn't even know the cold war was over |
| 10:18:22 | dj-fu | mpeg video? |
| 10:18:31 | markun | yes |
| 10:18:44 | dj-fu | You have been added. Your entry will appear once it's been approved. Your key is "AGUKL-746". Keep this if you want to change your entry later on. |
| 10:18:48 | dj-fu | on nano? that's insane |
| 10:18:48 | markun | dj-fu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 10:18:51 | dj-fu | what's the playback like |
| 10:19:05 | Bagder | mute |
| 10:19:25 | markun | dj-fu: you can try one here: http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ |
| 10:20:15 | dj-fu | markun: is it in the cvs build or do I have to build it manually |
| 10:20:23 | dj-fu | toasted my gentoo partition and don't have cygwin set up properly yet |
| 10:20:43 | markun | cvs |
| 10:20:54 | dj-fu | sweet ty |
| 10:20:57 | dj-fu | will test it in a min |
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| 10:24:52 | * | JdGordon has done with the first bit of the menu rework code |
| 10:26:02 | Bg3r | JdGordon: diff ?:) |
| 10:26:02 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: did you ever look at the link i pasted to you/ |
| 10:26:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Which one? |
| 10:26:37 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: the one that didnt format right |
| 10:26:38 | JdGordon | Bg3r: not yet... |
| 10:26:49 | JdGordon | first bit... not working yet |
| 10:27:50 | Bg3r | aha, k |
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| 10:28:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Oh, the one with a really long link? |
| 10:28:14 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: not sure...the forum link |
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| 10:28:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: If a line isn't able to be broken, it can stretch the screen making for some odd formatting |
| 10:28:48 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 10:29:06 | * | dj-fu waves halfheartedly |
| 10:29:07 | scorche | ah..yes..that one |
| 10:29:23 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: there is no module for the forums that can fix that? |
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| 10:30:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Not that I've seen. In some cases it shouldn't be fixed, such as [code] blocks where you want the lines to be reproduced verbatim, but in the case of links perhaps we should ask members to use proper formatting to shorten them. |
| 10:31:37 | dj-fu | markun: about to load up elephantdreams now |
| 10:31:40 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: hmmm...or use tiny url (but i am not a fan of being led to somewhere, not knowing where i am going) |
| 10:31:43 | JdGordon | ... well it compiles... i guess thats a good sign :p |
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| 10:33:05 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: if only everyone knew how to use proper formatting... |
| 10:33:35 | stateq2 | hello everyone |
| 10:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yeah, maybe think about adding to the posting guidelines that long links should be in the format [url=www.google.com]Google[/url] so that they don't break formatting. |
| 10:34:35 | stateq2 | I have a rockbox theme I want to add to the site...how is this possible? |
| 10:35:03 | dj-fu | TWiki is a collaborative tool we use for distributing non-programming tasks such as writing documentation. Everyone is invited to join and help. All that you need to do to contribute is register yourself. All changes to all pages are version controlled and tagged with the author's name, so nothing can be destroyed by mistake or sabotage. |
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| 10:35:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: Actually, these days I believe they have to register then come here and ask someone to authorize them. |
| 10:35:37 | dj-fu | someone should update that ;[ |
| 10:35:38 | petur | yes |
| 10:35:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I think it tells them the rest on the registration page or something. |
| 10:35:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't really know |
| 10:36:10 | stateq2 | Yeah, because I registered, and was directed here |
| 10:36:25 | petur | so give your wiki name |
| 10:36:31 | stateq2 | ThomasBell |
| 10:36:39 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, but not everyone reads that...i guess the people with editing power can fix them as they see them....maybe some sort of module that, if they dont format it that way, will automatically do it and make the name http://www.blah.comnetorg |
| 10:36:57 | JdGordon | how do you type cast a function? i have a int (*function)(int) that i need to pass as a void (*function)(int) to a function? |
| 10:37:49 | petur | stateq2: done... you should now be able to edit wiki pages |
| 10:38:03 | stateq2 | Thanks :) |
| 10:38:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: It may be possible to have a module check a link's length, and if longer than X, use text like "link here" in its place, or something. |
| 10:39:01 | Bagder | iirc, misticriver shortens long URLs when posted in their forums with "..." somewhere in the middle |
| 10:39:51 | scorche | i think that i would prefer the "link here" method |
| 10:39:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | That could probably be doable too. |
| 10:40:30 | dj-fu | wow, the mpegplayer |
| 10:40:31 | * | dj-fu is in awe |
| 10:40:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or maybe http://www.domain.com/.../finalpage.html trimming anything after the first questionmark in the URL, as well as anything between the third / and the last / (assuming 4+ slashes) |
| 10:41:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, the full URL would be visible at the bottom of your browser window (or wherever your browser normally shows you full URLs on mouseover) so you're not jumping blindly. |
| 10:41:13 | markun | dj-fu: thank linuxstb for it |
| 10:41:15 | Massa | JdGordon: I always create typedefs for function pointers - then a cast is easy ;) |
| 10:41:21 | dj-fu | linuxstb: thanks |
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| 10:44:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: There don't seem to be any mods at the SMF site that would easily do this. So, that goes on the backburner at least at this moment. |
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| 10:46:17 | scorche | alright...i will put it on the requested forum feature (or whatever the name of that one thread is) so we wont forget about it =) |
| 10:47:05 | scorche | i guess that thread would be "OOPS!!!" |
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| 10:47:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: You could start a "Forum Feature Request" thread in General Discussion |
| 10:47:46 | scorche | ooo...i could |
| 10:47:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since "Oops" is more about things I screwed up than new ideas. |
| 10:47:53 | scorche | in fact, i will |
| 10:48:01 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: but you asked for things to do in it =) |
| 10:48:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | True |
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| 10:48:50 | Bg3r | JdGordon: tried something like "(void (*function)(int))returning_int_function" |
| 10:48:53 | Bg3r | ? |
| 10:49:10 | JdGordon | something like that... im not oging to worry about it for now... |
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| 10:53:51 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: while i am looking at it, i cant think of any good reason that we have the ability to insert flash in our posts...something to remove? |
| 10:54:21 | JdGordon | oh how i love gcc warnings... "menu.c:452: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type" the line being "static const struct option_item shuffle_option[] = {{ (void*)&global_settings.playlist_shuffle, NULL, bool_onoff,0,0,0,0,0,0}};" (there is no other warnings about that line! |
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| 10:55:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Good point. Removed. |
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| 10:55:57 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: or FTP for that matter... (a url would be just fine) |
| 10:56:00 | tucoz | hi |
| 10:56:28 | scorche | unless the FTP formatting does something other than what i think it does |
| 10:57:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: It prepents ftp:// instead of http:// on a url lacking them. |
| 10:57:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | prepends |
| 10:57:43 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: url cant handle anything other than http:// ? |
| 10:58:18 | scorche | or just as something that is there in case people dont want to type them? |
| 10:59:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | If someone types www.blah.com then highlights it |
| 10:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then clicks one of the buttons |
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| 11:00:03 | scorche | ah....one would think that if one is linking to an ftp, they would preface it with ftp://, but i dont see any harm in it |
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| 11:02:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, unlike Flash which could probably get annoying. |
| 11:02:36 | scorche | yeah |
| 11:07:42 | tucoz | bluebrother, I have now read the quick start chapter. Except for a few places where I would have used a different language, I like the concept. And we should also crosslink the sections that are referred (WPS for instance). |
| 11:08:15 | tucoz | do you have a diff of your changes? |
| 11:09:10 | tucoz | Bagder, are you here? |
| 11:09:24 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:09:40 | tucoz | you can add the manual builds of the ipod 3g if you want |
| 11:09:46 | Bagder | great |
| 11:09:49 | Bagder | will do soon |
| 11:09:58 | tucoz | cool. thanks |
| 11:22:21 | bluebrother | tucoz, just made a diff: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/quickstart.diff |
| 11:22:38 | tucoz | thanks. I can fix some language stuff if you want |
| 11:23:04 | tucoz | (read, try to fix...) |
| 11:23:24 | bluebrother | would be great. |
| 11:23:51 | bluebrother | there were various sections I wasn't (and still are not) really satisfied with the text itself. |
| 11:24:13 | bluebrother | but as my main intend was to get the concept working it looks like I succeeded ;-) |
| 11:24:46 | tucoz | ok. I've got some time right now. But don't you think that we should crosslink to the sections that are referred to? |
| 11:25:09 | bluebrother | we should. I just didn't bothered when writing. |
| 11:25:15 | tucoz | ah. ok. |
| 11:25:27 | bluebrother | I had a long train trip yesterday when I was playing around with that. |
| 11:25:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: If the file cannot be decoded in realtime, mpegplayer will just skip every frame in an effort to display in realtime. |
| 11:27:24 | bluebrother | btw, my last try on the menu structure inclusion: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/menu_structure.tex |
| 11:27:58 | tucoz | ok |
| 11:31:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: I guessed so, but the frame skipping itself should imho be limited, to display at least 1 frame per second or so |
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| 11:32:24 | tucoz | bluebrother, isn't 'usually always' a contradiction ;)? |
| 11:33:44 | bluebrother | at least it doesn't make too much sense ;-) |
| 11:34:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll do that. |
| 11:34:05 | bluebrother | I guess I'm more the LaTeX guy than a writer ;-) |
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| 11:34:27 | tucoz | me too |
| 11:34:50 | tucoz | I haven't done much writing to be honest |
| 11:35:04 | amiconn | lcd_yuv_blit() seems to use around 1/3 of the total time needed to decode & display a frame both on h300 and X5 |
| 11:35:08 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Still around? What was the problem you had with the frame skipping? Was it with one of my Elephants Dream files? |
| 11:35:25 | amiconn | (a bit more on X5 than on h300) |
| 11:36:25 | linuxstb | What "q setting" did I use the for files you've been testing with? |
| 11:37:18 | linuxstb | (I need to choose a q setting for Elephants Dream and finish encoding a full set of files for all resolutions. |
| 11:37:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: No, it was with one of the files I'd created before. It had played at about 2/3 speed normally, but with frameskipping enabled seemed to only display about 2 frames every second. |
| 11:38:02 | tucoz | bluebrother, nice to see you use the action codes. |
| 11:38:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think q6 would be appropriate, even though q8 doesn't produce artefacts |
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| 11:38:40 | * | JdGordon can crash the sim on command :D |
| 11:39:00 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: That sounds about right. Decoding and displaying at about 2/3 speed probably means it is decoding only at around 100% full speed - so it can only keep that speed up by displaying one or two frames per second. |
| 11:39:19 | bluebrother | tucoz, if we get the stuff with the stop button I mentioned yesterday more consistent that would work even better. I like the action codes |
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| 11:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Okay then. |
| 11:39:43 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. That was indeed a good idea. Wonder why it isn't so already. |
| 11:40:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Are you going to do lcd_yuv_blit in asm for ipod? |
| 11:40:21 | bluebrother | maybe someone should split up the quick exit patch and create on for the exit with mode, one for play to wps and one for stop to stop playback ;-) |
| 11:40:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: I will do if no-one else does, but I would prefer to concentrate on the higher-level parts of mpegplayer. |
| 11:41:13 | bluebrother | isn't there a way to start a new search when viewing a task? I can only use the "my last search" link which is a bit ... complicated. |
| 11:41:23 | amiconn | Should be possible to get the thing really efficient for arm |
| 11:42:25 | linuxstb | Should it use the same approach as your h300 implementation? |
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| 11:42:55 | peppo | "2.2.2. installing th bootloader |
| 11:43:02 | peppo | To do: Complete this section for Iaudio platforms." |
| 11:43:03 | peppo | :/ |
| 11:43:20 | tucoz | peppo, I think that is available in the wiki though |
| 11:43:53 | linuxstb | peppo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
| 11:44:00 | peppo | just found it |
| 11:44:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:44:43 | markun | linuxstb: what does the mpeg2_skip function do? |
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| 11:46:28 | bluebrother | hmm, cvs up -dPC doesn't seem to work recursively for me. Did I miss a switch? |
| 11:47:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Go back to your problem post. |
| 11:47:22 | linuxstb | markun: No idea - I haven't yet ventured inside libmpeg2. |
| 11:47:27 | tucoz | linuxstb, what is the correct way of saying this. "...so this is and will not be possible." or "...so this is not and will not be possible."? |
| 11:47:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | is not and will not |
| 11:48:01 | tucoz | ok, thanks |
| 11:48:04 | * | linuxstb nods |
| 11:48:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming you mean "not now" as well as "not ever" |
| 11:48:15 | tucoz | Yes, exactly |
| 11:49:14 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: nice!....and it is a feature request...not a problem post =P |
| 11:49:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: In fact I could try to implement the thing, but I can't test. |
| 11:49:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: What's this strange 64000 pixel limit in lcd-ipod.c? |
| 11:49:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: I meant the post that you deemed problematic. ;) |
| 11:50:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: It seems that you can only write that number of pixels at once. I'm pretty sure I tried sending more data than 64000 bytes when first porting the driver from IPL, and it didn't work. |
| 11:52:12 | tucoz | in brittish english, is it customiZe or customiSe? |
| 11:52:25 | JdGordon | S |
| 11:52:30 | tucoz | thanks |
| 11:52:36 | JdGordon | in pretty sure |
| 11:52:46 | JdGordon | americans changed the s to z everywhere |
| 11:54:01 | linuxstb | americanz... |
| 11:54:15 | petur | lol |
| 11:54:19 | tucoz | so the brittish write Sebra right? ;) |
| 11:54:39 | JdGordon | no.... |
| 11:54:44 | JdGordon | weirdo... |
| 11:54:45 | tucoz | just kidding |
| 11:54:53 | linuxstb | It's also British... |
| 11:54:53 | preglow | i could give ipod lcd_yuv_blit a shot |
| 11:54:58 | preglow | but don't know if i'll have time today, at least |
| 11:55:49 | peppo | I can't find the "Tag Cache" menu described i the iaudio x5 manual. |
| 11:56:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you searched for "Tag Cache" or "TagCache"? |
| 11:56:50 | peppo | I'm lookingt at topic 3.3 right here |
| 11:56:52 | peppo | it's in the player. |
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| 11:58:02 | peppo | all I can do is browse files and change shuffle/repeat |
| 11:59:33 | markun | peppo: and what is it you want to do? |
| 11:59:34 | bluebrother | peppo, there's a section in the "getting started" chapter. |
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| 12:00:08 | peppo | markun, enable tag cache |
| 12:00:53 | peppo | ah, Rec goes into main menu |
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| 12:04:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is it really 64000, or in fact 65535? |
| 12:05:26 | peppo | still can't find Tag Cache menu |
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| 12:06:01 | peppo | there. |
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| 12:07:33 | bluebrother | peppo, what menu you are searching? Tagcache is a file view. |
| 12:07:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll check... |
| 12:07:52 | Mmmm | peppo: general settings -> file view -> tag cache |
| 12:08:00 | peppo | yeah, I found it. |
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| 12:08:06 | peppo | thankds |
| 12:08:24 | bluebrother | the view is still called "id3 database" |
| 12:08:31 | bluebrother | should be changed imo. |
| 12:08:35 | tucoz | bluebrother, you can see what you think. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/quickstart.diff . The playlist reference doesn't work somehow, even though it is labeled. |
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| 12:09:01 | JdGordon | my menus almost work!! :D |
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| 12:10:29 | JdGordon | just have to fix lang pointer problems and it should be good to go! |
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| 12:11:18 | JdGordon | how do i get a char* from a LANG_? |
| 12:11:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: While at it, could you perhaps run test_fps on your 4g color? |
| 12:11:54 | bluebrother | tucoz, looks good to me. |
| 12:12:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Sure. |
| 12:12:31 | Mmmm | Can someone help me with icons? what does "{ 0x60, 0x7f, 0x03, 0x33, 0x3f, 0x00 }, /* Musical note */" mean in icon.c? Is this pointing to an icon somewhere or is this the icon? |
| 12:13:24 | linuxstb | That's the icon. |
| 12:13:26 | bluebrother | Mmmm, afaik it's the icon itself |
| 12:13:44 | Mmmm | ah right...how on earth do you make an icon then? |
| 12:14:04 | bluebrother | viewers.config has similar entries for the icons. |
| 12:14:07 | Mmmm | is each one a pixel? |
| 12:14:09 | dionoea_work | decode that to binary i guess |
| 12:14:18 | petur | yes |
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| 12:14:42 | Mmmm | yes to which? |
| 12:14:46 | linuxstb | Mmmm: Each number is a column of 8 pixels - that icon is 6 pixels wide, by 8 high. |
| 12:15:02 | linuxstb | (actually 5 pixels wide - the 6th column is empty) |
| 12:15:59 | Mmmm | ok , so to see it would I have to decode to binary as dionea said? |
| 12:16:12 | linuxstb | IIRC, 0x01 means the top pixel in the column is set, 0x02 means the second to top, 0x04 means the third to top etc. Add them up to get the value for the column. |
| 12:16:14 | Mmmm | and to create one, do the opposit? |
| 12:16:45 | Mmmm | oh right...thanks...I'll give it a go... should be fun! :D |
| 12:17:02 | linuxstb | Or you can just save a 6x8 .bmp file and use the bmp2rb program... |
| 12:17:29 | Mmmm | LOL... yep, that sounds a lot easier :D |
| 12:17:37 | linuxstb | tools/bmp2rb -f 0 myicon.bmp |
| 12:17:49 | linuxstb | That will display those numbers on the screen. |
| 12:18:10 | Mmmm | thanks linuxstb |
| 12:18:15 | preglow | amiconn: how many fps does h300 do these days? |
| 12:19:13 | JdGordon | 2 |
| 12:19:19 | JdGordon | .333333 |
| 12:19:59 | amiconn | preglow: Depends a lot on the video size & complexity. |
| 12:20:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: I changed 64000 to 0x10000 and it works fine. |
| 12:20:35 | preglow | amiconn: i'm thinking pure test_fps |
| 12:21:21 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 12:21:24 | linuxstb | test_fps on my ipod Color (I'll add them to the wiki page as well): Unboosted (30MHz) gives 19.5fps and 75.5fps |
| 12:21:49 | amiconn | It seems that operation feels smooth if we reach ~60fps |
| 12:22:17 | preglow | unboosted nano gives 80 fps |
| 12:22:25 | linuxstb | Boosted (75MHz) gives 48.5fps and 188.5fps |
| 12:22:52 | amiconn | The fullscreen number is the more important one |
| 12:23:29 | preglow | what size is the photo lcd, again? |
| 12:24:27 | linuxstb | 220x176 - same as h300 |
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| 12:25:42 | tucoz | Regarding this task, what and for what targets should I do this. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5862 |
| 12:26:00 | JdGordon | w00t ... menus working perfectly :D |
| 12:26:14 | preglow | weird |
| 12:26:22 | preglow | i wonder why it's so much slower than nano, then |
| 12:26:52 | bluebrother | tucoz, I guess all targets with HAVE_RECORDING |
| 12:26:59 | tucoz | ok |
| 12:27:14 | tucoz | even the hw recorders? |
| 12:27:38 | bluebrother | I have no idea but I think it wouldn't hurt. |
| 12:27:42 | tucoz | oki |
| 12:28:03 | bluebrother | so maybe we get users that respond "the manual says, but it actually _is_ working" ;-) |
| 12:28:18 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:28:19 | preglow | this reminds me |
| 12:28:34 | preglow | the recording section of the manual has options that iriver targets don't have |
| 12:29:58 | bluebrother | btw, tucoz, what are you thinking about the bold font for the buttons I used in yesterdays pdf? |
| 12:30:28 | tucoz | ah. I like it. We should add some other font in the Key Action header to the tables though |
| 12:30:41 | tucoz | Small caps perhaps :) |
| 12:30:50 | bluebrother | maybe slanted is good there. |
| 12:30:52 | tucoz | bold small caps that is |
| 12:30:56 | tucoz | or that |
| 12:31:20 | tucoz | preglow, care to tell me what options those are? |
| 12:31:37 | bluebrother | I'll try using a new macro for the buttons so we can change the face more easily. |
| 12:32:32 | preglow | i wonder if file split and prerecord work |
| 12:34:08 | LinusN | at least file split works, iirc |
| 12:34:48 | bluebrother | I'm trying prerecord right now. |
| 12:35:28 | * | JdGordon is gonna need lots of preproccesor magic for this to be workable :'( |
| 12:35:52 | preglow | nooooo |
| 12:35:56 | * | preglow hates preprocessor magic |
| 12:35:57 | bluebrother | prerecording seems to work. |
| 12:36:05 | tucoz | So, why do the peakmeters freeze while the hard disk spins up? |
| 12:36:25 | tucoz | (when starting a recording) |
| 12:36:29 | bluebrother | at least for the few seconds I tried |
| 12:37:01 | preglow | seems someone's cleaned it up |
| 12:37:06 | preglow | the screenshot is wrong on h1x0, i see |
| 12:37:15 | preglow | and "time split" should be "file split" now |
| 12:37:19 | JdGordon | 1 more compiler warning to kill :D |
| 12:37:24 | tucoz | ok |
| 12:37:54 | preglow | i got a sudden urge to implement sample rate and channels on iriver now |
| 12:38:40 | preglow | doubt i'll make anything of it |
| 12:38:58 | LinusN | tucoz: because write() blocks, and the peak metering is done in the same thread |
| 12:39:17 | preglow | not very elegant :/ |
| 12:39:35 | tucoz | LinusN, ok. so for a non teckie, what do you think of this? \note{When you start a recording, the hard disk will spin up. This will cause the peak meters to freeze in the process. This is perfectly normal, as this is done as a safety measure to preserve recording quality during the spin up} |
| 12:39:56 | preglow | well, it's a lie, but otherwise ok :P |
| 12:40:03 | LinusN | except for the fact that the last sentence is untrue |
| 12:40:07 | tucoz | hehe |
| 12:40:18 | tucoz | but how should we explain it then? |
| 12:40:25 | preglow | just explain that it happens |
| 12:40:32 | LinusN | "because we are lame and lazy" |
| 12:40:34 | preglow | the why of it is probably laziness |
| 12:40:39 | preglow | and that doesn't need to be in a manual |
| 12:40:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 12:40:43 | Bg3r | the gui thread blocks while waiting the disk to spin up ? :) |
| 12:40:54 | LinusN | it is in fact the recording thread |
| 12:41:02 | Bg3r | oh, okay:) |
| 12:41:08 | tucoz | I don't want to mention threads in the manual |
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| 12:41:17 | Bg3r | ok |
| 12:41:23 | preglow | nor should you |
| 12:41:24 | Bg3r | "the interface blocks while ..." |
| 12:41:28 | LinusN | the gui thread runs fine, but the peak monitoring stops during the disk access |
| 12:41:31 | preglow | just mention that peak meters freezing is normal |
| 12:41:34 | preglow | and nothing to worry about |
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| 12:41:53 | Bg3r | tucoz: put in in a "TODO:" list :D |
| 12:42:06 | tucoz | :) |
| 12:42:22 | LinusN | tucoz: and it's not only when you start recording |
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| 12:42:22 | Bg3r | s/in in/it in |
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| 12:42:47 | LinusN | but it is unfortunate, since it affects the AGC |
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| 12:43:13 | JdGordon | woot.... no more warnings.. and it works correclty :D |
| 12:43:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can AGC just disable itself during that period? |
| 12:43:34 | tucoz | Ok: When you start a recording, the hard disk will spin up. This will cause the peak meters to freeze in the process. This is expected behaviour, and nothing to worry about. Recording quality is preserved during the spin up. |
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| 12:44:11 | Bg3r | tucoz: this probably is a lie too :D |
| 12:44:14 | tucoz | heeh |
| 12:44:33 | Bg3r | "recording continues during the spin up" ? :P |
| 12:44:35 | tucoz | I am just trying to close this task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5862 |
| 12:44:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe the quality is preserved in digital, and is *very* minimally altered during analog recording? |
| 12:44:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd seems to remember Petur talking about this. |
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| 12:45:30 | petur | eh? |
| 12:45:40 | tucoz | the comment states that the quality is preserved |
| 12:46:00 | tucoz | Bg3r, yeah. I'll think I just write that instead |
| 12:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Yeah, I was just BSing to keep him happy. I'm moderately sure it is, mostly, in most cases. ;) |
| 12:46:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Recording. Disk spinup. Peakmeters drop. How's the file quality at that point? |
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| 12:46:32 | petur | not related |
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| 12:46:46 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, you are known with many aliases ;) I thought that was someone else, although the real name rang a bell. |
| 12:46:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to recall something being said about Digital being fine, and analog having a small glitch that was unavoidable, or was there some other thing that caused that? |
| 12:47:13 | XavierGr | AFAIK Rockbox recording can be glithcless |
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| 12:47:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait |
| 12:47:31 | XavierGr | or many users have reported sp |
| 12:47:32 | XavierGr | so |
| 12:47:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was the gain changes, wasn't it? |
| 12:47:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The gain changes caused a very small problem? |
| 12:47:52 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is having a hard time remembering what he read. |
| 12:47:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: Some more 4:3 encodings are in http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ now - I'm encoding the missing -q6 16:9 files now. |
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| 12:48:36 | petur | peaks are monitored while samples are being changed to be ready for disk write. The same function sees the buffer is full and starts writing. Hence, no peakmeter updates. Buffering continues as normal so no quality issue. I agree the AGC could go nuts if the last peak triggers AGC correction. eow... |
| 12:48:51 | tucoz | Time split is now known as File Split? |
| 12:49:26 | Nico_P | linuxstb: wouldn't it be a good idea to upload videos with reduced framerates ? |
| 12:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: So, disable AGC before spinning up the disk, and enable it after, and call it a "feature" of AGC that it doesn't go nuts? |
| 12:50:51 | tucoz | Is the peak freeze affecting the ondios as well? |
| 12:51:13 | petur | bah |
| 12:51:39 | petur | bbl |
| 12:51:53 | preglow | OR someone clever rewrite the recording to use another thread :> |
| 12:52:28 | tucoz | Anyone? Is the peak freeze noticable on a flash based rockbox? |
| 12:53:02 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, I've been thinking about that - maybe some 12fps files. |
| 12:55:52 | Nico_P | that would be good |
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| 12:56:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: What resolution do you want to test - I'll do that first. |
| 12:58:40 | preglow | hm |
| 12:58:45 | LinusN | tucoz: s/Recording is continiued/The recording continues/ |
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| 12:58:49 | amiconn | tucoz: The peak freeze while recording only affects swcodec targets. Hwcodec handles the whole recording in a different way |
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| 12:59:12 | tucoz | ok :) thanks for the feedback |
| 12:59:40 | preglow | hm, i can add additional precision in the arm eq loop at a cost of three cycles per sample |
| 12:59:54 | preglow | but i guess it's already slow enough |
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| 13:00:01 | linuxstb | Just what we need, unoptimisations.... :) |
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| 13:00:10 | LinusN | is the low precision noticeable? |
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| 13:00:29 | preglow | LinusN: i very much doubt it |
| 13:00:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | On irritation with the whole "Folder names" at the top is that if you enter an empty folder, it kinda looks like it has one item in it, especially if you enter it from the root. |
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| 13:00:45 | preglow | LinusN: the most imprecise filters, the shelving ones, discard a total of eight bits |
| 13:00:58 | preglow | which leaves us with twenty bits of precision |
| 13:01:04 | LinusN | the title really needs to have a different look |
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| 13:01:23 | LinusN | preglow: 20 bits is still quite ok imho |
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| 13:01:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think also that in the Root there should still be a title |
| 13:01:33 | preglow | LinusN: yeah, i agree |
| 13:01:36 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: i agree |
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| 13:02:14 | petur | I guess the issue of the peakmeters will change when the recording codec thing is implemented |
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| 13:02:25 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: i've been thinking about the ui coloring |
| 13:02:32 | preglow | LinusN: 21 bits, actually, with the sign, so i don't think there's a crisis |
| 13:02:43 | LinusN | i believe we should have several colors, a color scheme |
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| 13:03:03 | Crackerizer | What is the first player rockbox made for? |
| 13:03:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | A color scheme like how? |
| 13:03:07 | LinusN | where you set the colors for the status bar items, the menu title, the scroll bar, cursor etc |
| 13:03:11 | amiconn | LinusN: I also thought about different (background) colours for status bar & title. |
| 13:03:24 | amiconn | This stuff will become easier with viewports... :/ |
| 13:03:36 | LinusN | and perhaps a 3d look, where you set the base, shine and shadow colors |
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| 13:04:17 | JdGordon | wps-ify the status bar! |
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| 13:04:25 | LinusN | /kick JdGordon |
| 13:04:30 | JdGordon | lol |
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| 13:04:41 | LinusN | well, there is the old patch by paprika |
| 13:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to bring that up |
| 13:05:06 | JdGordon | can I get you to quickly look at the dev ml re the menu reworking? |
| 13:05:20 | amiconn | Imho an important thing to do is porting all screens/widgets to work with variable font height & proportional fonts |
| 13:05:23 | JdGordon | you == all... quickly == please :p |
| 13:05:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 13:05:42 | amiconn | Then several other enhancements will become possible |
| 13:05:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is a _very_ important thing |
| 13:06:10 | LinusN | JdGordon: i have read the entire thread, but i'd like to see a working example |
| 13:06:27 | JdGordon | ive just replied with a working exmaple |
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| 13:06:38 | JdGordon | i need to know if that is workable.. |
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| 13:06:58 | LinusN | JdGordon: aha, i'll wait for that mail then |
| 13:07:13 | JdGordon | not sent yet? damn... i sent it about 5 min ago |
| 13:08:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd got it. |
| 13:08:09 | preglow | got it here |
| 13:08:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't look like it has an attachment though |
| 13:09:11 | JdGordon | doh.. ok, replied again with the diff |
| 13:09:14 | JdGordon | thanks PaulJam_ |
| 13:09:19 | JdGordon | wrong Paul |
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| 13:10:08 | petur | say 'Yes Paul' :) |
| 13:10:14 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you change the file tree display on download.rockbox.org to also display the file date/time? That'd help avoiding unnecessary re-downloads.. |
| 13:10:15 | LinusN | JdGordon: if it makes it complicated to add an option, then what problem does your code actually solve? |
| 13:10:31 | * | petur tries to remember what funny show that came from |
| 13:10:58 | JdGordon | LinusN: hopefully code size.. and it could be easier to add an option.. especially if some pp magic can be used... |
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| 13:11:26 | LinusN | hehe, perhaps it shouldn't be easy to add an option, to keep the option bloat down :-) |
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| 13:13:09 | LinusN | speking of option bloat, i find the settings menu by AM quite funny |
| 13:13:30 | JdGordon | funny how? |
| 13:13:38 | LinusN | it introduces a whole new set of settings, just to set up how the settings menu works |
| 13:13:47 | JdGordon | ah, yes |
| 13:13:51 | LinusN | settings to control the settings |
| 13:13:57 | petur | heh |
| 13:14:04 | LinusN | *that* is bloat |
| 13:14:05 | amiconn | Do we need a setting to configure the settings that configure the settings... or what? |
| 13:14:16 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:14:32 | petur | no, those would configure themselves |
| 13:14:44 | linuxstb | Just let people edit a .cfg file with the text editor - remove all that settings code completely. |
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| 13:14:57 | amiconn | Hah, auto-configuring rockbox would solve the option bloat ;) |
| 13:15:07 | JdGordon | LinusN: that rips 15k off the code right there... |
| 13:15:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb: why not try 224x176... H300 and ipod photo fullscreen |
| 13:15:46 | Nico_P | (sorry for the delay, was gone to have lunch) |
| 13:15:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: 15K!? What target? |
| 13:16:05 | JdGordon | iriver... |
| 13:16:10 | JdGordon | i tihnk it was about that |
| 13:16:14 | JdGordon | i checked it ages ago |
| 13:16:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox could have a wizard. The first time you boot, or any time the settings block is reset, it asks you a series of questions that you answer about how you prefer to use your player "Do you skip alot? Do you browse, or tend to listen to full playlists?" etc... :-P |
| 13:16:28 | JdGordon | might have been closer to 9K.. cant really remeber :p |
| 13:19:07 | linuxstb | Nico_P: OK. I'm just encoding the final 24fps file now, then I'll start on a set of full-screen 12fps files. |
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| 13:19:41 | Sacro | afternoon all, is there a way to remove RockBox, cos i kinda need to RMA my H340 |
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| 13:20:07 | * | petur shoots Paul 'the wizard' The nerd |
| 13:20:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Uhwha? |
| 13:20:27 | LinusN | Sacro: scrape if off the disk with an xacto knife |
| 13:20:30 | JdGordon | Sacro: just download te iriver firmware and reflash that |
| 13:20:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sacro: Depends on why your H340 needs RMA'd. You can delete the rockbox folders and files, and then boot into the normal firmware and "Upgrade" to a non-modified version |
| 13:20:50 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd: about your settings wizard |
| 13:20:52 | tucoz | Sacro, boot rockbox and press rec after a second to wipe the settings sector |
| 13:20:57 | Sacro | JdGordon: hmm, now, its getting RMA'd because the USB2 port doesnt work :) |
| 13:21:07 | JdGordon | then your boned :p |
| 13:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Ah. Yes. It is a terrifying idea, but the iPod users would love it. :-P |
| 13:21:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Can't he use the USB1.1 port? |
| 13:21:21 | Sacro | tucoz: does that work? |
| 13:21:42 | Sacro | cos the website says "no modifications, eg rockbox" |
| 13:22:02 | JdGordon | it says that on the iriver site? |
| 13:22:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Rockbox has specifically mentioned us in their service policy I heard. |
| 13:22:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Err iRiver has, rather |
| 13:22:31 | JdGordon | lol |
| 13:22:50 | Sacro | warrenty is void if "if the player is opened, repaired, modified or altered by third parties e.g. Rockbox, unless such repair, modification or alteration is expressly authorized in writing by iriver;" |
| 13:23:13 | tucoz | Sacro, yes. But if you. 1) Flash an official iriver fw 2) delete all rockbox files and folders. (.rockbox, rockbox.iriver). it should be gone. |
| 13:23:37 | Sacro | tucoz: yes, unless they get around to going an undelete :( damn insecure fat32 |
| 13:23:49 | JdGordon | Sacro: do what Paul_The_Nerd suggested.. try the other usb port.. |
| 13:24:01 | petur | http://www.iriver.eu.com/rma_warranty.html?&L= |
| 13:24:34 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders how to get written permission to install Rockbox. |
| 13:24:38 | peppo | is anyone using the iAudio X5 AND the remote? I'm getting a very unclear image on the remote's LCD. I've tried adjusting contrast but virtually no effect. |
| 13:24:54 | tucoz | I think someone said that irivernordic suggested Rockbox as an alternative. |
| 13:25:04 | Sacro | Paul_The_Nerd: but its host only |
| 13:25:26 | Sacro | rockbox is soooooo much nicer |
| 13:25:37 | JdGordon | Sacro: can you open it and get the hdd out so u can copy a h300.hex onto it another way? |
| 13:25:52 | Sacro | JdGordon: that was on my mind |
| 13:26:15 | Sacro | its only 4 screws, but what are the hard drives like for removing |
| 13:26:20 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Seems my mpeg2 encoder only supports the official framerates - so it refuses to encode to anything under 24000/1001 fps... |
| 13:26:28 | * | petur discovers iriver still sells h3x0 players on its site |
| 13:26:30 | * | JdGordon wonders if we should put a "self-destruct" option into the iriver bootloaders to stop this problem |
| 13:26:44 | JdGordon | Sacro: the hdd is easy to get out |
| 13:26:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: not a bad idea, really |
| 13:26:54 | Mikachu | Sacro: it's modified by you, not by rockbox, and you're not a 3rd party |
| 13:27:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sacro: I thought the 1.1 port could also be slave. |
| 13:27:01 | JdGordon | but you need something that can take a 1.8" disk.. its hard to find an adaptor |
| 13:27:10 | Sacro | Mikachu: hmmm....thats actually true |
| 13:27:26 | Sacro | isnt that laptop sized? |
| 13:27:37 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:27:42 | JdGordon | 1 size smaller |
| 13:27:49 | Sacro | when i plug it into slave, rockbox doesnt mention it |
| 13:27:59 | LinusN | JdGordon: i should add a feature in the boot loader to remove the bootloader and restore the flash |
| 13:28:00 | Sacro | neither does dmesg |
| 13:28:01 | PaulJam_ | can't you just copy the h300.hex to an usb stick and copy it to the player via the usb otg feature? |
| 13:28:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817201005&ATT=17-201-005&CMP=OTC-Froogle |
| 13:28:13 | Sacro | LinusN: well i was kinda hoping that'd been done :) |
| 13:28:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sacro: But you haven't tried the original firmware? |
| 13:28:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox has no support at all for the second USB port yet. |
| 13:28:57 | JdGordon | LinusN: they arnt going to actually check the rOM so it would just be simple like jumping to the OF code before starting yeah? |
| 13:29:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know that on the US model the second port can be used to access the drive, since that's how you sync for DRMed music if I recal |
| 13:29:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | recall |
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| 13:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: The easiest solution would be to remove the text output in the "Final" bootloader so it seems to just boot the OF like normal if the Rockbox files aren't present. |
| 13:29:50 | petur | yes, but that USB port is handled purely in software |
| 13:30:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Yes, which means if he's in the original firmware it should work, right? |
| 13:30:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which at the *very* least means he can put an h300.hex on a compact flash card, hook it up with a reader, and copy it over, no? |
| 13:30:33 | Sacro | Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 191....hmm |
| 13:30:36 | JdGordon | not if the usb chip is the cause of his problems... |
| 13:30:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or <random type of USB storage> |
| 13:30:44 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd: yes |
| 13:30:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I thought the two were separate controllers. |
| 13:30:53 | petur | that would be a way |
| 13:31:19 | Sacro | i think its the socket, rather than the chip |
| 13:31:19 | JdGordon | i thought they were both on the 1 chip |
| 13:31:25 | petur | no |
| 13:31:30 | Sacro | if i hold it in the base in a certain way, it works |
| 13:31:39 | petur | the second port is on the isp1362 |
| 13:31:39 | JdGordon | oh, then your fine |
| 13:31:47 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 13:31:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sacro: Either way, all you need is to figure out a way to get h300.hex over. |
| 13:32:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | An unmodified one. |
| 13:32:06 | petur | lol |
| 13:32:18 | JdGordon | and delete /.rockbox and rockbox.iriver.. |
| 13:32:23 | LinusN | Sacro: then you should be able to at least transfer the .hex file to the player |
| 13:32:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Yeah, but those can be done from within Rockbox before rebooting. |
| 13:32:32 | tucoz | can you delete files and folders from the iriver fw? |
| 13:32:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | So the connection only needs to last long enough to get one file over. |
| 13:32:39 | Sacro | hmm, i could put it on the cf on my mums camera, and then host it over |
| 13:32:54 | Sacro | tucoz: not sure] |
| 13:32:54 | LinusN | Sacro: clever |
| 13:33:21 | * | Sacro first attempts the blue-tac fix |
| 13:36:12 | petur | tucoz: the iriver fw also has a browser that alows copy/delete stuff. And then there's the ability to format the disk |
| 13:36:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I bet that would do it. ;) |
| 13:36:50 | Sacro | but i dont really want to remove all the music on it |
| 13:37:16 | petur | I thought you were going to RMA it |
| 13:37:59 | Sacro | yes, but they shouldnt touch the hard drive to repalir the USB |
| 13:38:12 | petur | I wouldn't count on that |
| 13:38:23 | petur | wise people have backups (lots of them) |
| 13:38:54 | Sacro | and i dont :( |
| 13:39:02 | petur | ouch |
| 13:39:15 | Sacro | well...hmm |
| 13:39:24 | petur | did you rule out the fact that the cable could be bad? |
| 13:39:24 | Sacro | i have a fair bit in various places |
| 13:39:32 | Sacro | yes, tried the one for my mums camera |
| 13:39:36 | petur | ok |
| 13:39:40 | Sacro | and tried various socketes and pcs |
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| 13:45:44 | linuxstb | OK, the full set of Elephants Dream movies at 24fps for all players is now available - I've also added a table of download links from the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
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| 13:47:00 | * | LinusN reads bad chuck norris jokes |
| 13:47:05 | Sacro | ahhh blue tac, fixes all |
| 13:48:34 | Sacro | but can only read :( |
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| 13:49:22 | * | Sacro runs dosfsk |
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| 13:50:57 | PaulJam_ | linuxstb: btw, why is the resolution of one of the videos 224x176? i thought the resolution of the h300 and ipod photo is 220x176. |
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| 13:54:21 | Sacro | /.rockbox/wps/ipodVOL/ <- err...i dont have an ipod |
| 13:54:57 | LinusN | Sacro: it's an ipod lookalike theme |
| 13:55:31 | Sacro | LinusN: ah right |
| 13:55:40 | Sacro | well hopefully when dosfsck is done, i can mount rw |
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| 13:57:22 | JdGordon | hmm..,. the sound settings stuff being in firmware/ is gonna be annoying |
| 13:57:28 | Sacro | :D it works |
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| 13:57:52 | linuxstb | PaulJam_: MPEG encodes in 16x16 blocks. |
| 13:58:26 | PaulJam_ | linuxstb: ok, i didn't know that. |
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| 14:00:22 | PaulJam_ | next time i should read the wiki pages before asking stupid questions. |
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| 14:01:08 | Mikachu | haha, firefox warns me about an unresponsive script on the map pag |
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| 14:01:23 | LinusN | Mikachu: same here |
| 14:02:41 | Mikachu | ooh, i have company in lund now |
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| 14:09:25 | peppo | any iAudio X5 users here? |
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| 14:12:11 | LinusN | peppo: a few, i guess |
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| 14:13:23 | Mikachu | [ot] http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/14-year-old-girl-sues-friend-over-missing-ipod |
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| 14:14:07 | dan_a | linuxstb: I've just posted a patch to FS #5755 that may interest you... |
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| 14:15:52 | LinusN | peppo: you joined the channel only to ask if there are x5 users here? |
| 14:16:18 | peppo | LinusN, no. I want to know if anyone else is having issues with their remotes' LCD displays |
| 14:16:30 | LinusN | what kind of issues? |
| 14:16:50 | peppo | very dark and unreadable |
| 14:17:01 | dionoea_work | Mikachu: nice link :) |
| 14:17:19 | LinusN | peppo: even when using the original firmware? |
| 14:17:19 | peppo | it's like a dark background behind the text |
| 14:17:34 | peppo | no. |
| 14:17:46 | LinusN | are you running a plain rockbox build, or a patched one? |
| 14:17:52 | linuxstb | dan_a: I'll try it out later today, thanks. |
| 14:18:03 | peppo | LinusN, plain, daily 060824 |
| 14:18:17 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Do you think that there is room for more optimisations on video for coldfire targets? |
| 14:18:43 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: Is the problem with the splash messages solved on X5 remotes? |
| 14:18:44 | markun | Genre9mp3: the decoder can be optimized |
| 14:18:49 | peppo | when I go into "Contrast", and change that value, the dark background disappears |
| 14:18:57 | peppo | but when I go back, the dark background returns |
| 14:19:14 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: No-one has looked at the decoder itself yet - just the code that displays the decoded video (and converts from YUV to RGB) |
| 14:19:29 | peppo | now it is normal, after doing an operation with the remote. weird. |
| 14:19:32 | peppo | known issue? |
| 14:19:47 | Genre9mp3 | The decoder as it is by now is optimised only for ARM cpus? |
| 14:19:54 | LinusN | peppo: when you go back, do you use the Left button or press the joystick? |
| 14:20:04 | linuxstb | No, it's just plain C - no optimisations for any targets. |
| 14:20:15 | peppo | LinusN, can't recall |
| 14:20:25 | peppo | ugh, it crashed. |
| 14:20:28 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: what splash problem? |
| 14:21:24 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: (sorry, I forgot that there is one optimisation amiconn did in the decoder itself (both ARM and Coldfire), but that's just scratching the surface) |
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| 14:22:00 | LinusN | peppo: when you boot rockbox, hold the Rec button right after starting, that will reset the settings to their default values |
| 14:22:19 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/X5sim.png |
| 14:22:32 | * | LinusN spots a nice ipod COP patch in the tracker |
| 14:22:44 | peppo | LinusN, ok |
| 14:23:05 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: you mean the dark colors? |
| 14:23:07 | Mikachu | LinusN: the one dan_a referred to 10 minutes ago? |
| 14:23:11 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: OK... so there is still hope... |
| 14:23:15 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: yes |
| 14:23:18 | LinusN | Mikachu: must have missed that |
| 14:23:32 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: As I said, work's only just beginning... |
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| 14:24:52 | LinusN | peppo: nowadays, when you change a setting, you must confirm it by pushing the joystick, and not just leave the menu with Left |
| 14:25:53 | peppo | does Shuffle+Repeat all (for multiple subdirs) always play TWO files in each dir even though it should be Shuffle? |
| 14:25:57 | peppo | why |
| 14:26:00 | peppo | was what I meant |
| 14:26:17 | linuxstb | dan_a: Do you think you'll need to change the bootloader code any more? If not, we should build new versions and advise everyone to upgrade (lots of fun...) |
| 14:26:26 | peppo | there's something fishy with Shuffle :/ |
| 14:26:37 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: 21.54.32 # <amiconn> LCD_LIGHTGRAY - ouch! LCD_LIGTGRAY != LCD_REMOTE_LIGHTGRAY |
| 14:27:46 | JdGordon | because of the way the sound settings are handled they are gonna be a PITA to make work.. but the rest fo the settings i dont tihnk will be as bad... |
| 14:27:54 | LinusN | peppo: shuffle+repeat all only repeats the current directory |
| 14:27:55 | * | JdGordon tinhking aloud |
| 14:28:15 | peppo | well, I have it in a mode where it doesn't |
| 14:28:16 | peppo | whatever that is |
| 14:28:21 | peppo | but the random function is highly unrandom |
| 14:28:33 | LinusN | peppo: i very much doubt that |
| 14:28:40 | peppo | it likes to stay in a subfolder for a few songs before moving back in the upper hierarchy |
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| 14:29:41 | LinusN | peppo: how do you do when you start playback of the directory tree? |
| 14:30:37 | LinusN | peppo: when playing a directory tree, rockbox creates a playlist of the entire tree, and then shuffles it |
| 14:31:16 | peppo | well, now I have no idea how I did it |
| 14:31:23 | peppo | but I got it to repeat all of my folders |
| 14:31:58 | peppo | I pressed play with "MUSIC" selected, but it continued to play the old folder |
| 14:32:40 | LinusN | pressing Play only resumes the playback |
| 14:33:03 | peppo | is it necessary to create a playlist for it to play back a directory tree? |
| 14:33:12 | * | Bagder whispers maaaaanuuuaaalllll |
| 14:33:18 | LinusN | peppo: i suggest you read the manual |
| 14:33:22 | peppo | ok |
| 14:33:44 | LinusN | peppo: so how is you remote contrast now? |
| 14:33:56 | peppo | it fixed itself |
| 14:33:57 | markun | peppo: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-200003.2 |
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| 14:35:25 | dan_a | linuxstb: The bootloader code won't need changing any more, no. But I did want to experiment with the idea that someone proposed of trying to get control of the COP using an interrupt. |
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| 14:37:14 | dan_a | (which would mean no need to change the bootloader) |
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| 14:40:03 | peppo | so, it doesn't allow playing a toplevel folder. |
| 14:40:10 | LinusN | yes it does |
| 14:40:22 | peppo | reading the manual I cannot understand how. |
| 14:41:23 | LinusN | first, enable the "recursively insert directories" option in the playlist options |
| 14:41:38 | peppo | does this apply even though I don't use playlists? |
| 14:41:48 | JdGordon | just select the first track in the top folder and it will play all files in that folder |
| 14:41:49 | LinusN | then hold the joystick on the MUSIC folder |
| 14:41:58 | markun | peppo: rockbox always uses playlists |
| 14:42:15 | LinusN | and select "Playlist->Insert" |
| 14:42:34 | LinusN | peppo: when playing a folder, rockbox creates a playlist dynamically |
| 14:42:35 | peppo | when I go to Insert I get a blank screen |
| 14:43:17 | peppo | okay, I had to have it selected beforehand |
| 14:43:19 | peppo | that was confusing |
| 14:44:14 | LinusN | confusing in what way? |
| 14:44:34 | peppo | if no music-containing folder was selected the user is shown a blank screen |
| 14:44:53 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:44:58 | Bagder | since there's nothing to show |
| 14:45:17 | peppo | okay, it added some 1939 tracks |
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| 14:45:44 | amiconn | Hnmm, Sacro is gone |
| 14:46:02 | dan_a | Might it be worth showing "../" or "Go back up a level" instead of a blank screen? |
| 14:46:04 | peppo | does one need to force Shuffle when using playlists? |
| 14:46:12 | amiconn | I had an idea how to remove rockbox without having USB access, but the USB host port still working... |
| 14:46:35 | Bagder | dan_a: yes, lots of people get confused (but it can't say that on the root level) |
| 14:47:20 | Bagder | I mean lots of ipod users have booted into the main file browser and then asked about their "empty" screen |
| 14:47:45 | dan_a | Aah, of course. |
| 14:47:56 | amiconn | (1) Put an unmodified .hex file onto another USB mass storage device (USB stick, whatever), (2) Boot the iriver firmware, connect the USB stick, and copy the .hex over via USB host. (3) Flash the .hex with the firmware upgrade functio. (4) Use the disk format option in the iriver firmware |
| 14:48:00 | JdGordon | why not just foce the title "Nothing to show" in that case? |
| 14:48:16 | Bagder | I'm not sure that would help |
| 14:48:29 | Bagder | but then I don't understand users |
| 14:48:43 | petur | amiconn: we got that far already |
| 14:48:49 | Bagder | make that "humans" ;-) |
| 14:48:57 | PaulJam_ | amiconn: i think he wrote that he did it that way (using his mothers camera) |
| 14:49:32 | Genre9mp3 | Is a user necessarily a human? |
| 14:49:46 | Bagder | I think most of our users view themselves as humans |
| 14:49:49 | dan_a | Which view would you be in to see a blank screen? Could we do something like "Some files hidden - press ACTION_QUICK_MENU to change this" |
| 14:50:14 | LinusN | dan_a: an empty directory, for example |
| 14:50:19 | Genre9mp3 | That doesn't make them humans though! :P |
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| 14:50:42 | * | amiconn should read the whole backlog first |
| 14:50:43 | Bagder | getting philosophical now I see |
| 14:50:43 | dan_a | LinusN: But then "Go back up a level" would help! |
| 14:51:13 | Lynx_ | dan_a: not if the root level is empty |
| 14:51:19 | LinusN | i think we have a task for a rockbox wannabe coder - add a <No files> display when the directory is empty |
| 14:51:29 | * | dan_a has only really been looking at the debug screen for the last month |
| 14:52:28 | petur | or add . and .. entries :) |
| 14:52:47 | markun | petur: . might even be useful |
| 14:52:50 | LinusN | petur: not a bad idea, but the "." entry seems rather pointless |
| 14:52:52 | Bagder | as if these users would understand ".." |
| 14:53:05 | LinusN | Bagder: :-) |
| 14:53:20 | markun | LinusN: if you are in the root of your player and you want to add all the sub dirs to the playlist |
| 14:53:35 | PaulJam_ | would a ".." entry at the root level make sense? |
| 14:53:49 | Lynx_ | I would like <It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.> much better than 'no files' |
| 14:53:51 | LinusN | PaulJam_: yeah, it takes you to the WPS :-) :-) |
| 14:53:54 | pixelma | tucoz: still around? I got something for you again... |
| 14:53:59 | markun | PaulJam_: some people would like it to 'back' to the WPS :) |
| 14:54:12 | Bagder | argh |
| 14:54:13 | tucoz | pixelma, I am |
| 14:54:24 | Genre9mp3 | So the root folder is located in the WPS? :P |
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| 14:55:01 | Lynx_ | in the rockbox universe, the wps is the beginning and the end. |
| 14:55:17 | Genre9mp3 | or the beggining of the end! |
| 14:55:44 | LinusN | this begging must end |
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| 15:00:28 | Krono6 | hi everyone |
| 15:01:17 | Krono6 | just installed iPL with the Boot Loader yesterday, no problems at-all (except this one). I put Rockbox on there and, well, I can't get Doom to work |
| 15:01:52 | Mikachu | did you read the wiki page? |
| 15:02:00 | Krono6 | yep, no luck |
| 15:02:08 | Mikachu | you have the rockdoom.wad and a game wad? |
| 15:02:26 | Krono6 | Rockdoom.wad? >.< |
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| 15:02:36 | peppo | is anyone else having problems reaching cowonamerica.com? |
| 15:02:37 | Krono6 | I didn't read that anywhere.. Must've missed it >.> |
| 15:03:06 | Bagder | −−- cowonamerica.com ping statistics −−- |
| 15:03:06 | Bagder | 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 5001ms |
| 15:03:32 | Krono6 | oh, right, there's another Wiki thing on the main page |
| 15:03:38 | Krono6 | sorry, thought you meant Wikipedia >.< |
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| 15:16:19 | preglow | if i can hard code an eq filtering routine for each of the two types of filter, i can get more quality on both arm and coldfire at the same speed we currently have :> |
| 15:16:39 | Krono6 | awsome! Playing Doom, sweet |
| 15:20:18 | preglow | what's down with the wiki? |
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| 15:21:32 | Krono6 | I got the Wiki page for RockDoom from Google, apparently that seems to work :S |
| 15:22:25 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 15:22:28 | Bagder | works for me |
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| 15:31:52 | JdGordon | annoying c pointers problem... http://rafb.net/paste/results/ebb0wf13.html (question is line 22 of the paste) ? |
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| 15:32:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd did not realise how buggy the Runtime functionality still was. |
| 15:35:25 | dionoea_work | JdGordon: can't you put the struct inside shuffle mode ? (maybe without the extra curly braces) |
| 15:35:39 | dionoea_work | ow ... you need a pointer |
| 15:35:44 | dionoea_work | nevermind then |
| 15:35:55 | JdGordon | .. ye |
| 15:36:09 | JdGordon | needs the pointer, or the union is useless |
| 15:36:30 | LinusN | hmmm, i tried to run doom on my x5 for the first time, total freeze |
| 15:36:44 | JdGordon | hehe... hell froze over :D |
| 15:36:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:37:43 | JdGordon | LinusN, Bagder, anyone smarter than me... can you look at the paste please and lemme know if you have any ideas? |
| 15:38:13 | JdGordon | .. or is 2 lines for each menu entry ok? |
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| 15:38:40 | LinusN | JdGordon: what's the deal with this: const void* dummy; /* NOTE: this stops compiler warnings.. never use this variable... */ |
| 15:38:41 | * | JdGordon has a one-track-mind at times |
| 15:38:48 | JdGordon | stops annoying warnings |
| 15:39:03 | JdGordon | otherwise you have to typecast it every time |
| 15:39:38 | linuxstb | LinusN: If you wanted to confirm it's a timer issue (which seems to be the common theory), you could edit plugins/doom/i_system.c and make it use the same codepath on the X5 as it does in the Simulator (and greyscale targets) - i.e. simulate the Doom tick using current_tick instead of setting up a user timer. |
| 15:39:40 | Bagder | it suggests you have the wrong approach I'd say |
| 15:39:43 | JdGordon | its a union, so it shuoldnt effect the code |
| 15:39:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: Does the runtime functionality only track MP3s? |
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| 15:41:29 | JdGordon | Bagder: well.. its that or typecast every item... which will be very painfull... i dont think there is anything naughty about it... |
| 15:41:51 | Bagder | well, you don't see nicely written code have anything like that... |
| 15:42:04 | Bagder | so yes, I think it is naughty |
| 15:42:06 | JdGordon | hehe... no |
| 15:42:57 | JdGordon | .... but that wouldnt be a show-stopper would it? |
| 15:43:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: I already did this, the hanging doom on X5 is not (only) a timer issue |
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| 15:43:34 | JdGordon | assuming everything else does what its supposed to (neaten up the code, decrease size, ) |
| 15:43:47 | amiconn | But the timer definitely has problems on X5, I wonder why... |
| 15:44:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you remember what was wrong last time? |
| 15:44:10 | preglow | amiconn: btw, how does the grayscale lib work on the mini? any noticable differences from other platforms? |
| 15:44:13 | LinusN | amiconn: nope |
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| 15:44:36 | amiconn | preglow: What kind of differences do you mean? |
| 15:44:40 | preglow | anything, i don't know |
| 15:44:48 | preglow | thinking about the relatively low res timer, for example |
| 15:44:59 | amiconn | On greyscale ipods we need to boost in order to keep up with the lcd updates |
| 15:45:19 | amiconn | Then lcd format is different, so a lot of code paths are different |
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| 15:46:06 | amiconn | (but work similar, or 'mirrored diagonally") |
| 15:47:00 | amiconn | The timer precision is a non-issue. |
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| 15:56:24 | JdGordon | Bagder: LinusN: the big question... would you allow something like this into the code? http://rafb.net/paste/results/zibew613.html |
| 15:57:04 | JdGordon | besides the fact it doesnt actually compile... |
| 15:57:30 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think so, yes |
| 15:57:47 | LinusN | you need to end the lines with \\ for multi-line macros |
| 15:57:57 | JdGordon | but the dummy in the union is naughty? |
| 15:58:20 | JdGordon | double \\ ? |
| 15:58:33 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:58:44 | JdGordon | menu.c:376: error: stray '\' in program after i did that |
| 15:58:57 | amiconn | single \ |
| 15:58:59 | Mikachu | ? it should only be one \ |
| 15:59:10 | Mikachu | it "eats" the newline character |
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| 16:02:30 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe i'm wrong |
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| 16:04:05 | JdGordon | preproccessor is being mean and not letting me do this :'( |
| 16:04:12 | JdGordon | who is good @ pp magic? |
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| 16:04:36 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, it should work with all files |
| 16:04:44 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: what kind of bugs did you encounter with it? |
| 16:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slasheri: My list of unplayed songs doesn't seem to contain any of the artists of my FLAC albums, and also shows some of my MP3 artists more than once. Meanwhile the sort by Artist section is fine. |
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| 16:08:57 | Slasheri | hmm, that is weird |
| 16:09:36 | Slasheri | Paul_The_Nerd: what if you re-initialize the db? |
| 16:09:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll do that |
| 16:10:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should delete the files manually first, or will "initialize now" handle everything? |
| 16:10:39 | Slasheri | initialize now should handle everything |
| 16:11:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was done very quickly. |
| 16:11:20 | Slasheri | hmm.. it did it that fast? |
| 16:11:30 | Slasheri | how many songs do you have? |
| 16:11:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, it didn't work apparently |
| 16:11:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I shut down, started up, "TagCache not ready" |
| 16:11:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Initializing now again, and it seems to be better |
| 16:11:59 | Slasheri | ah, interesting.. |
| 16:12:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have ~1800 songs on it. |
| 16:12:31 | Slasheri | then it should take a minute or two or something like that |
| 16:14:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Never played is now showing the FLAC artists |
| 16:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it still has several copies of the same artist in many cases |
| 16:14:35 | Slasheri | ok, probably tagcache db was corrupt somehow |
| 16:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaan... if I enter any of the artists under "Never played" and leave, they're gone again |
| 16:15:18 | Slasheri | hmm.. weird, i will check that soon |
| 16:15:21 | pondlife | I guess it thinks they are now played |
| 16:15:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | pondlife: No, it's not the one that entered that vanished |
| 16:15:53 | pondlife | Ah, all of them vanished? |
| 16:15:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, I entered "ailsean" and when I backed out, "'weird al yankovic'" vanished |
| 16:16:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could be more than just the FLAC ones that are vanishing |
| 16:16:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, I had 4 entitled "4-Eyes" and now I have 2, but both contain the same tracks. |
| 16:17:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have multiples of almost every artist that shows up, and because my things are by myriad artists, I can't really tell how many are missing, but I haven't spotted any of my commercial music, and that's all FLAC. |
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| 16:32:53 | * | dan_a has just had a look at what is required to make atomic mutexes |
| 16:32:57 | * | dan_a is scared |
| 16:38:23 | Mmmm | How do you make a screenshot from the sim? |
| 16:38:36 | pondlife | Under Windows? |
| 16:38:39 | linuxstb | F5 IIRC |
| 16:38:41 | Mmmm | linux |
| 16:39:11 | Bagder | "When the simulator is running, press F5 or 0 on the numeric keypad" |
| 16:39:11 | Mmmm | F5 did the trick, thanks... |
| 16:41:28 | Mikachu | scrot -s, import (from imagemagick) etc also works |
| 16:41:33 | linuxstb | Anyone willing to view this page in Firefox? In my installation (Firefox 1.0.5.1 under Linux), Firefox crashes and closes down all windows: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/hd/ |
| 16:41:36 | Mikachu | or xwd if all else fails |
| 16:42:00 | Mikachu | it works in my galeon, which uses ff 1.5.0.5 as a backend |
| 16:42:17 | Mikachu | but i don't have a plugin to handle the little buttons |
| 16:42:26 | Mikachu | if you have mplayerplug-in that would be my first guess |
| 16:42:57 | linuxstb | Not knowingly... |
| 16:43:49 | dan_a | Windows XP, FF1.0.5.6 it's fine |
| 16:44:10 | Bagder | http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr2_p320.m4v.zip |
| 16:44:19 | Bagder | should be fine for your 5g plays ;-) |
| 16:44:48 | Mikachu | here's the direct url to the 720 of the second trailer http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr2_h720p.mov |
| 16:44:52 | dan_a | s/1.0.5.6/1.5.0.6/ |
| 16:44:57 | Mikachu | or possibly first, i don't know |
| 16:45:35 | linuxstb | Bagder: Thanks - nice 840KB/s download... |
| 16:45:59 | Bagder | that's trailer 2 |
| 16:46:11 | Krono6 | guys, I have another question, and I've searched all over properly this time.. I know the main site doesn't say anything about this, but is there any way I can get RockDoom to play that Half Life WAD? It just doesn't show up, at all :S |
| 16:46:16 | Bagder | I didn't watch so I don't know the diffs |
| 16:46:16 | linuxstb | haha, 320x136 ultra-widescreen. |
| 16:46:18 | Mikachu | i would guess substitube tlr2 for tlr1 or tlr for the other one? |
| 16:46:35 | Mikachu | tlr1 works (on my url) |
| 16:46:54 | Bagder | http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr3a_p320.m4v.zip |
| 16:46:59 | Bagder | for the 3rd |
| 16:47:00 | linuxstb | Any license info on that page? I'm guessing we probably shouldn't use them as test files? |
| 16:47:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Krono6: Isn't that the one that has the improperly formatted title screen? |
| 16:47:21 | Krono6 | yeah |
| 16:47:40 | Krono6 | you can't really move around in the menu on a 5G.. Not for me, anyway |
| 16:47:51 | Bagder | linuxstb: "terms of use" => http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html |
| 16:48:04 | Bagder | so no, I don't think that content is usable |
| 16:48:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Krono6: It shouldn't run at all in the official Rockdoom if it's the one I'm thinking of. |
| 16:48:23 | Krono6 | I got Doom to run properly :S |
| 16:48:29 | Krono6 | I used the iDoom WAD |
| 16:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no idea what the 'iDoom WAD' is. |
| 16:49:11 | Krono6 | you just can't move around the menu, just select.. So you'll be playing on the same level, on Hurt Me Plenty, all the time.. But once you're in-game, it plays without a glitch |
| 16:49:37 | Mikachu | the menu works fine on ipods, last i tried |
| 16:49:49 | Mikachu | i think i got to level 7 or so on the easiest level |
| 16:49:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: The Half Life wad shouldn't run at all, if it's the one with the 320x240 title |
| 16:49:56 | Krono6 | doesn't work on my 5G 60GB :S |
| 16:50:16 | Mikachu | i just meant normal doom2, too lazy to read everything :) |
| 16:50:32 | Krono6 | ah, I'm playing the original Doom :P |
| 16:50:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The buffer's only there for 320x200, and those extra 40 can cause memory overflows, so the wad shouldn't load. |
| 16:50:41 | Krono6 | darn |
| 16:51:17 | Krono6 | Doom just doesn't seem to work on Podzilla (freezes), so I can only play it on Rockbox with glitchy menus >.< |
| 16:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The menus work fine with supported wads, like the base Doom wad, etc. |
| 16:51:45 | Krono6 | weird |
| 16:51:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird what? |
| 16:52:12 | Krono6 | nevermind. I'll download some other things and fiddle about |
| 16:52:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think it's particularly weird that improperly created wads aren't supported. |
| 16:52:34 | Krono6 | hmm |
| 16:53:13 | Krono6 | aha, I got the FF3 WAD to work on Rockdoom |
| 16:53:21 | Krono6 | just had to rename it to Doom1.WAD |
| 16:53:23 | Krono6 | yay |
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| 16:56:19 | Krono6 | so.. I'm gonna try the Half Life WAD now |
| 16:57:32 | Krono6 | hmm, you guys were right on that one |
| 16:58:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many add-ons work fine. You just have to use ones that are actually properly created. |
| 16:58:53 | Krono6 | ^^ |
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| 17:17:04 | egotrippen | hey allhey |
| 17:17:10 | egotrippen | haha |
| 17:17:25 | egotrippen | i have a question about the new buttonmapping changes |
| 17:17:58 | egotrippen | i see the defines in gwps.h are still there |
| 17:18:10 | egotrippen | will edits to that section of code work the same way they always did? |
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| 17:46:37 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: are you *for* this change that Mmmm wants to make the the RWRS? |
| 17:47:11 | Davide-NYC | I think it's a waste of effort |
| 17:47:15 | Davide-NYC | (personally) |
| 17:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | You've given a pretty bad reason as to why you think it's a waste of effort. |
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| 17:48:25 | Davide-NYC | I guess so, I guess it doesn't hurt, but it doesn't get to the whole point of my thread |
| 17:48:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno |
| 17:49:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you can move the bitrate and khz information into the status bar, all the information can fit, right? |
| 17:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it's just one line short? |
| 17:49:16 | Davide-NYC | might as well scroll like crazy then. |
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| 17:49:21 | ccitt | greets |
| 17:49:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 17:49:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does putting that into the status bar have to do with scrolling? |
| 17:50:15 | Davide-NYC | why display it anyways, we can't change it/ |
| 17:50:30 | Davide-NYC | 44.1k for line and mic and digital is autodetect |
| 17:51:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You will very likely be able to set the line-in and mic one in the future, and there is value in knowing what you're getting from a digital source. |
| 17:51:27 | Davide-NYC | true on the latter I totally agree about digital but.. |
| 17:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, the bitrate information will be needed. |
| 17:51:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even if khz is not. |
| 17:51:45 | Davide-NYC | when we wil have input options it'll be more than just bitrate |
| 17:51:58 | Davide-NYC | that is the bitrate |
| 17:52:06 | Davide-NYC | you mean bitdepth? |
| 17:52:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bitrate is the average number of bits per second |
| 17:52:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rate of bits |
| 17:52:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | kbps |
| 17:52:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, bps |
| 17:52:49 | Davide-NYC | now you're talking about something else relating to encoding decoding |
| 17:53:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, because that's what the term "bitrate" refers to. |
| 17:53:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 44.1khz is the sample rate. |
| 17:53:20 | Davide-NYC | I was using samplerate and bitrate as the same thing |
| 17:53:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | They are very different things |
| 17:53:43 | Davide-NYC | OK, then what is being displayed is the samplerate. correct? |
| 17:53:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
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| 17:54:12 | Davide-NYC | then I repeat my rant fusing the word sample rate instead |
| 17:54:16 | Davide-NYC | *using |
| 17:54:24 | * | Davide-NYC off to proofread post |
| 17:54:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | The sample rate seems something perfectly valid to put in the status bar. |
| 17:55:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's something that the user can't change while in the process of recording, would like to know in the case of digital recording at a minimum, and currently wastes a line. |
| 17:55:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | How is moving it up there a bad thing, compared to simply removing it from the recording screen? |
| 17:56:21 | Davide-NYC | Understanding the distiction makes my point totally moot |
| 17:56:24 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 17:56:39 | Davide-NYC | It's agood idea to toss it up there. |
| 17:57:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really only useful in the case of digital recording, but for consistency I feel it should be there for both. |
| 17:57:19 | Davide-NYC | Agrees |
| 17:57:37 | * | Davide-NYC editing the hell out of his post |
| 17:59:08 | linuxstb | I haven't been following this discussion, but samplerate doesn't seem to be the kind of info that belongs in the status bar... It's not there in the WPS. |
| 17:59:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: For recording. |
| 17:59:34 | Davide-NYC | WRS an RWRS |
| 17:59:37 | linuxstb | I know. |
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| 18:00:00 | linuxstb | I'm saying the WPS doesn't show it in the status bar, so why the WRS? |
| 18:00:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Currently it takes up a line in the recording screen, when it could, if made into a 12x8 icon, be squeezed safely into the status bar freeing up a whole new line on the while recording screen, particularly nice for the remote one. |
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| 18:00:42 | linuxstb | Couldn't it just share a line with other info - like recording format, bitrate etc. |
| 18:00:48 | dan_a | I'd vote for showing it, since it is one of the things that it is useful to know when recording. When playing back, it doesn't matter so much |
| 18:00:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: As it is, the recording screen follows its own rules regarding the status bar, completely preventing you from disabling it (presumably so you never end up there, while recording, and realize you can't check the battery level) |
| 18:01:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Format, bitrate, and others are things you set in advance, and never change. In the case of the sample rate, you may not know it in advance if it's coming from a digital source, so it's nice to be told. |
| 18:01:23 | amiconn | The recording sample rate might be fixed for analog on coldfire targets, but isn't fixed e.g. on archos |
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| 18:01:33 | Davide-NYC | The main thing about the WRS is that once you are recording you cannot navigate away from it without interrupting the recording. |
| 18:01:35 | * | dan_a has an early version of an atomic mutex for ARM |
| 18:01:45 | amiconn | Also, on coldfire it's possible to record at different sample rates from spdif |
| 18:02:10 | linuxstb | I'm not saying it shouldn't be displayed, just that the status bar seems wrong... But that' just MHO. |
| 18:02:21 | amiconn | And the samplerate shouldn't be put in the status bar imho, as it doesn't belong there |
| 18:02:33 | amiconn | (and won't fit anyway on some targets, e.g. archos) |
| 18:03:08 | Davide-NYC | I agreed at first, but you have to understand that once recording you're stuck in the screen and you only want to interrupt *if* there is something wrong. |
| 18:03:27 | Davide-NYC | So you should have as much info as possible visible. |
| 18:03:48 | Davide-NYC | It is *mad ugly* though. |
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| 18:03:55 | Davide-NYC | (IMHO) |
| 18:04:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is that it's not user configurable information, it doesn't change while recording, and there's not really a line it can be put on without losing that line to something else more valuable. |
| 18:04:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it's user configurable, but you can't change it *while* recording. |
| 18:04:32 | amiconn | The sample rate does change while recording from spdif when the input sample rate changes |
| 18:04:43 | Davide-NYC | does that ever happen? |
| 18:04:45 | amiconn | Therefore it's important to display it |
| 18:04:57 | amiconn | It might happen if something goes wrong... |
| 18:05:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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| 18:05:18 | Davide-NYC | right right, that was my point, you want to be able to see it while recording |
| 18:05:28 | linuxstb | Room could still be freed up without using the status bar - e.g. display time and filesize on the same line - something like "0:00:00 / 0KB" |
| 18:05:33 | Davide-NYC | paul has the argument distilled nicely |
| 18:05:38 | amiconn | Agreed on that, but the samplerate does simply not belong in the status bar |
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| 18:06:21 | * | Davide-NYC fears that we'll be scrolling like crazy in the remote screen no matter what I suggest. :-P |
| 18:06:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Sounds like an idea - and it should fit on archos with the default font |
| 18:06:56 | * | sobukus is someone dreaming of an SD-Card based player with a firmware that not totally sucks |
| 18:07:26 | sobukus | I am wondering what kind of hardware prerequesotes one has so that porting rockbox makes sense |
| 18:07:30 | sobukus | prerequesites |
| 18:07:31 | amiconn | sobukus: A rockboxed Ondio comes very close (it's MMC instead of SD) |
| 18:07:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why does the recording screen have to follow the same status bar rules as everywhere else? |
| 18:07:42 | sobukus | amiconn: but there the hardware sucks:-( |
| 18:07:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, why does it even have a volume display? |
| 18:07:54 | * | amiconn doesn't think the Ondio hardware sucks |
| 18:07:59 | * | sobukus needs some battery life |
| 18:08:23 | amiconn | 10..11 hours with alkalines, ~9hours with nimh cells |
| 18:08:29 | sobukus | I have this lyra PDP2335 player that runs for about 50h with one mignon cell |
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| 18:08:54 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm |
| 18:09:00 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Volume display is for monitoring (IIUC), battery life goes there, clock if the device has one. The playback icons (stop, pause etc) could be replaced by recording icons - but things like status (stopped, pre-recording, recording), rather than characteristics of the recording. |
| 18:09:02 | sobukus | amiconn: 9 hours is nearly OK... but it needs 3 AAA, right? |
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| 18:09:05 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Because there's audible monitoring? You can even change the volume from the recording screen |
| 18:09:07 | dan_a | sobukus: The Sansa E200s have micro-SD slots... but no rockbox yet |
| 18:09:13 | amiconn | sobukus: yes. |
| 18:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Ah, see I wasn't aware of that. I don't really record. |
| 18:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thankee |
| 18:09:46 | * | sobukus also spent money on 2GB SD card... and likes it to be interchangeable with the Palm |
| 18:09:56 | * | amiconn has a 4GB MMC :) |
| 18:10:01 | sobukus | hm |
| 18:10:19 | amiconn | Is it a thin SD, or standard? |
| 18:10:24 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: but the volume is the first line displayed in the WRS so isn;t it redundant in the statusbar? |
| 18:10:34 | amiconn | Standard SD doesn't fit in the Ondio, thin SD does |
| 18:11:02 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: I would say it's redundant in the WRS itself. |
| 18:11:02 | sobukus | amiconn: I guess it's normal |
| 18:11:08 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: For display - yes. If you can come up with a different way to change the volume... |
| 18:11:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: You have to be on that line to change the volume, though, right? |
| 18:11:25 | sobukus | amiconn: but as this is a mechanical issue... isn't it possibl to modify the case to make it fit? |
| 18:11:28 | amiconn | sobukus: Measure the thickness. 2.1mm is standard, 1.4mm is thin (same thickness as MMC) |
| 18:11:45 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I forgot that... |
| 18:11:48 | amiconn | No. The slot is metal, and soldered to the board |
| 18:12:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do we need the words "Time" and "Size"? |
| 18:12:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Time at least should be self evident from the number format. |
| 18:13:01 | * | sobukus just grapped an old 16MB MMC from the IC35 and compared... |
| 18:13:08 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I would say no. |
| 18:13:10 | sobukus | amiconn: it's standard |
| 18:13:22 | Davide-NYC | I think the current button desin of the WRS is good. Actually I think it's really good, I just crabbed in a forum post about the remote screen scrolling too much. Now that I realize this is inevitable and will become more so in the future I think we should just scroll like mad and not worry about it. |
| 18:13:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | At which point you could lay out the two lines like: |
| 18:13:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | 00:00:00 Bitrate |
| 18:13:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | 0000B Samplerate |
| 18:14:31 | linuxstb | Or just "0:00:00 / 0B" on the first line, and something like 44.1Khz / 256kbps / 2ch on the second. (if that second line will fit...) |
| 18:14:50 | sobukus | amiconn: /wii amiconn |
| 18:14:55 | sobukus | oops |
| 18:15:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way. My idea is basically "scrap the words, more data" |
| 18:15:10 | Davide-NYC | [idea] could we swap out screens on a button press? One sreen shows settings the other screen shows stats on the recorded audio? |
| 18:15:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | One less string to localize, as well. Maybe two. |
| 18:15:34 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I agree - I suggested it about 10 minutes ago :) |
| 18:16:11 | Davide-NYC | there is one button left on the remotes... |
| 18:16:16 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 18:16:28 | linuxstb | Which remote? |
| 18:16:36 | sobukus | amiconn: how difficult is a port generally? if it is possible I should know after looking at some chips and asking around...? |
| 18:16:41 | Davide-NYC | H100 and H300 |
| 18:16:49 | Davide-NYC | the non-LCD remote is out of the question |
| 18:17:37 | * | Paul_The_Nerd would like the recording screen to be workable on devices with less buttons than the LCD remotes. |
| 18:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | As those have a ridiculously large number relative to some other things with recording. |
| 18:18:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the case of the iFP players, they're essentially a remote screen with one less than H100 main-unit buttons. |
| 18:19:34 | linuxstb | sobukus: IMO, the most important things (in order) for a Rockbox port to be feasible to a device are: 1) User-upgradable firmware, preferably with a failsafe method of restoring a known good firmware if your new firmware crashes; 2) A CPU supported by gcc; 3) As many components inside with publically available datasheets as possible - the more datasheets you have, the easier the port. |
| 18:20:19 | Davide-NYC | Wow. That's limiting. OK, It think then that the best idea is consistency between the main unit and the remote unit. |
| 18:20:25 | Davide-NYC | leave the status bar alone and just throw whatever is on the main WRS under the peakmeters in the RWRS and have it all scroll like crazy. |
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| 18:20:50 | Davide-NYC | Exactly as it is on the main unit display ony narrower and scrolling like mad. |
| 18:21:09 | * | sobukus about to open a Lyra 2335 and a NEX3+ |
| 18:22:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: The / 2ch could be replaced by just M or S for smaller displays |
| 18:23:01 | Davide-NYC | put the time and size lines at the bottom of the WRS |
| 18:23:10 | sobukus | hah! they've hidden the only screw behint the type sticker |
| 18:23:21 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: Maybe the presence of the peakmeter should be configurable? |
| 18:23:45 | Davide-NYC | No way! On a recording device. Blasphemy. :-) |
| 18:23:57 | amiconn | In case one doesn't need it, it could be disabled on the iriver remote -> less interference |
| 18:24:13 | amiconn | With AGC, the peakmeter isn't strictly needed |
| 18:24:29 | Davide-NYC | Yeah but you can't use AGC for serious recording |
| 18:24:41 | amiconn | Depends on what is 'serious' |
| 18:24:45 | Davide-NYC | true |
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| 18:25:25 | * | amiconn still wonders why the ticking reduction does nothing for recording |
| 18:25:36 | Davide-NYC | Thanks for the convo and ideas. I'm going to mock something up and post it this evening after work. |
| 18:25:52 | Davide-NYC | later. |
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| 18:33:59 | preglow | dan_a: you might as well make that function naked |
| 18:34:03 | preglow | dan_a: the mutex one |
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| 18:35:07 | * | sobukus notes that you always need some amount of gentle force with a knife... |
| 18:36:29 | sobukus | someone drawed on the main chip |
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| 18:36:39 | sobukus | 3 colored lines?! |
| 18:38:04 | preglow | eh? does mov r0, #-1 actually work? isn't -1 0xffffffff ? |
| 18:38:12 | sobukus | makes it difficult to read... main chip: Sigmatel STMP3520 |
| 18:38:19 | sobukus | does that ring a bell? |
| 18:40:34 | linuxstb | Yes - not a friendly chip IIRC. Probably similar to the ipod shuffle (STMP3550) - a Motorola DSP core. |
| 18:40:59 | linuxstb | (no gcc C compiler) |
| 18:41:15 | sobukus | hm, it seems to be a common chip for mp3 players... |
| 18:41:34 | sobukus | Motorola DSP56004 |
| 18:41:42 | sobukus | 75MHz core |
| 18:42:37 | sobukus | hm, processing power would not be the problem? |
| 18:45:09 | preglow | no |
| 18:45:10 | preglow | not at all |
| 18:45:14 | preglow | but compiling it to code will be |
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| 18:45:31 | preglow | most people write code for the 56k cores in assembler |
| 18:45:33 | linuxstb | Is that the Lyra PDP2335? |
| 18:46:30 | sobukus | linuxstb: yes |
| 18:46:45 | sobukus | great device with crappy firmware |
| 18:47:35 | sobukus | hm, I found traces of a gcc-1.x port by motorola: 56k-gcc ... |
| 18:48:04 | sobukus | preglow: I guess rewriting rockbox in 56k asm isn't really fun... |
| 18:49:27 | sobukus | but with rockbox ported to that thing, a lot of (flash bases?) devices come inro reach, my old yamakawa had a similar (the same?) chip |
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| 18:49:59 | preglow | sobukus: not at all fun, no |
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| 18:50:20 | preglow | there is a 56k porting effort for newer gcc, i think |
| 18:50:23 | preglow | but it sounds... weird |
| 18:50:30 | preglow | the 56k is a really specialised chip |
| 18:50:43 | sobukus | I guess making the code compile with gcc-1.4 would be as hard to code the asm?? |
| 18:50:47 | preglow | also, it's harvard architecture, which complicates things again |
| 18:51:11 | preglow | but, is there _only_ a 56k on it? no other cpu or something? |
| 18:51:35 | sobukus | in this Sigma chip? |
| 18:52:41 | preglow | yea |
| 18:55:08 | sobukus | well, there is lots of stuff integrated... I don't find docs at sigmatel (these guys always hide all but the freshest hardware...) |
| 18:55:28 | sobukus | oh, bs |
| 18:55:38 | sobukus | http://www.sigmatel.com/products/portable/audio/stmp3500.asp |
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| 18:58:26 | sobukus | besides that signatel one, there is only one small chip: Philips TEA5767 |
| 18:59:03 | sobukus | ah, that's the fm radio part |
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| 19:02:16 | * | sobukus just noted http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060228.txt |
| 19:02:28 | sobukus | there was a discussion about stm35xx |
| 19:02:31 | sobukus | stmp |
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| 19:22:18 | mirak | hi |
| 19:22:24 | mirak | petur: hey |
| 19:22:42 | bbroke | hi there! |
| 19:23:12 | bbroke | just a quick question: is the doom-plugin running on iaudio x5? |
| 19:23:40 | mirak | in asm for coldfire, the indirect adress mode (1,a0) , 1 is one byte or a long word or word ? |
| 19:24:02 | mirak | that's not very clear for me in the doc |
| 19:25:04 | lex | bbroke: i guess not, but it could be yes... |
| 19:25:22 | KlrSpz | anyone know what capacity a 4g nanopod battery has? |
| 19:25:29 | sobukus | gm /me found the dsp56k-gcc version 1.39 |
| 19:25:48 | sobukus | cannot compile it with gcc-3.3.3:-( |
| 19:26:04 | bbroke | lex: thanks! |
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| 19:27:44 | amiconn | bbroke: It's a known problem doom freezes on X5. Unfortunately the cause is not yet known... |
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| 19:29:37 | amiconn | KlrSpz: http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
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| 19:30:17 | KlrSpz | amiconn, yeah had found that... shows empty |
| 19:30:17 | mirak | amiconn: any clue about adressing in asm ? |
| 19:30:29 | bbroke | amiconn: okay −− that's what i encountered aswell, thx! |
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| 19:31:21 | * | sobukus sees communists in gcc-1.4: cccp.c |
| 19:31:34 | Mikachu | oh no, here be dragons |
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| 19:32:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I keep getting a cvs message to move lcd-as-H300.S because it's "in the way" when I do cvs up -dP |
| 19:33:05 | amiconn | huh? |
| 19:33:09 | amiconn | odd... |
| 19:33:10 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 19:33:23 | jhMikeS | I deleted it and tried again |
| 19:33:26 | jhMikeS | same deal |
| 19:33:39 | amiconn | With the file removed?? |
| 19:33:45 | amiconn | Or at the next try? |
| 19:33:51 | jhMikeS | next tru |
| 19:33:54 | tucoz | jhMikeS, try to run cvs up -dPC (in case you don't have any local changes you want keep) |
| 19:33:54 | jhMikeS | try |
| 19:34:12 | jhMikeS | I have LOTS of local changes atm |
| 19:34:16 | KlrSpz | does the stock firmware have an EQ? |
| 19:34:22 | KlrSpz | of an ipod, sorry |
| 19:34:30 | amiconn | Btw, it's h300 not H300 (following the obvious all-lowercase conventions) |
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| 19:34:55 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes :) |
| 19:34:55 | * | amiconn tries on a different machine |
| 19:35:49 | jhMikeS | try amiconn −−pedantic-off :) |
| 19:36:01 | amiconn | Hmm, no such problem here |
| 19:36:20 | jhMikeS | I'll delete the whole dir and try again |
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| 19:36:59 | mirak | hum I found a way to devide by two the number of MAC operations for idct, and understood the interest of the Enhanced MAC :D |
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| 19:38:27 | jhMikeS | ahh that worked |
| 19:39:35 | amiconn | Sounds like a cvs glitch when initially checking out the dir |
| 19:39:49 | amiconn | Works fine here on 3 different machines |
| 19:40:43 | jhMikeS | when I added a file before it didn't do it...who knows...fine now |
| 19:41:57 | * | sobukus just compiled rtlanal.c |
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| 19:42:10 | sobukus | (regarding amiconn −−pedantic-off) |
| 19:42:32 | jhMikeS | sobukus: ?? |
| 19:42:42 | jhMikeS | :D |
| 19:43:27 | jhMikeS | Q about create_thread when initializing sp. should this line: |
| 19:43:30 | jhMikeS | regs->sp = (void*)(((unsigned int)stack + stack_size) & ~3); |
| 19:43:33 | jhMikeS | not read: |
| 19:43:37 | jhMikeS | regs->sp = (void*)(((unsigned int)stack + stack_size - 4) & ~3); ?? |
| 19:43:55 | amiconn | No, why? |
| 19:44:05 | amiconn | Stack push is always predecrement |
| 19:44:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:45:00 | jhMikeS | not on TCC730? |
| 19:45:18 | amiconn | The TCC730 code is not in sync with the rest |
| 19:45:31 | amiconn | The startup mechanism used to be slightly different |
| 19:46:04 | amiconn | The old way involded forging a return address, then switching context |
| 19:46:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why not do that now? |
| 19:46:24 | jhMikeS | instead of checking for NULL? |
| 19:46:48 | amiconn | It was changed because it wasn't reliable |
| 19:47:20 | amiconn | In order to make it work properly, the whole switch_thread() would have to be written in asm |
| 19:47:28 | jhMikeS | I tried it for fun but I have to know that the stack is clear before faking the return from switch thread |
| 19:47:33 | jhMikeS | I did that |
| 19:47:46 | amiconn | gcc might decide to push additional registers on switch_thread() entry |
| 19:48:00 | amiconn | ...and restore them on exit |
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| 19:48:15 | jhMikeS | extactly: it didn't work letting gcc do it. |
| 19:48:28 | amiconn | It didn't do that on SH1 (that's why the initial method used the forged return address) |
| 19:48:43 | amiconn | ..but on coldfire it did when the stack check was enabled -> crash |
| 19:48:55 | jhMikeS | there's no way to make gcc clean up the stack first? |
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| 19:49:11 | amiconn | Then I adopted the TCC730 method (which also starts the thread from the middle of the switch, but with a separate flag) |
| 19:49:58 | amiconn | The stack adjustment in the TCC730 code is a plain copy from the SH1/coldfire code from before that change |
| 19:51:07 | amiconn | Writing switch_thread() in asm could of course be done, but imho it shouldn't be done (for cvs) |
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| 19:51:20 | amiconn | It makes porting harder for no reason. |
| 19:51:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: i feel the same way...but if there a gcc trick to have it cleanup c vars first then it would work |
| 19:52:29 | * | amiconn thinks the TCC730 code should be ripped out if we don't see it picked up again soon |
| 19:52:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that got abandoned? |
| 19:53:07 | amiconn | It suffers from bitrot, and gets in the way when we want to move more things to target tree |
| 19:53:09 | amiconn | Yes |
| 19:53:25 | jhMikeS | what was it for? |
| 19:53:36 | preglow | gmini |
| 19:54:01 | jhMikeS | and there's no working port for that? |
| 19:54:14 | amiconn | nope |
| 19:54:18 | mirak | in asm when you move a word of 16bits into a register of 32 bits, does it clear the upper 16 bits of the register ? |
| 19:54:30 | jhMikeS | mirak: not usually |
| 19:54:32 | preglow | mirak: depends what instruction you use |
| 19:54:39 | mirak | move.w |
| 19:54:42 | preglow | then no |
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| 19:54:44 | preglow | afaik |
| 19:54:49 | amiconn | No it doesn't |
| 19:54:56 | jhMikeS | mirak: try clr.l Rx |
| 19:55:06 | preglow | isn't there a zero extending move as well? |
| 19:55:07 | mirak | in fact I am not really sure of the size of the data in the mpeg2 idct. I guess it's 16bits |
| 19:55:13 | mirak | jhMikeS: ok |
| 19:55:18 | jhMikeS | not until coldfire V4 |
| 19:55:22 | preglow | right |
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| 19:56:29 | mirak | "mac.l %d0, %d4, (%a0)+, %d4, %acc0\n\t" |
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| 19:57:30 | * | mirak need to read the manual ... |
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| 19:58:53 | mirak | ok the result in the acc0 is always 16 bits |
| 19:59:13 | * | sobukus suppresses a manic laugh |
| 19:59:22 | amiconn | mirak: If the mpeg idct is 16bit, you could use mac.w (and double the number of usable temporary registers) |
| 19:59:29 | amiconn | mirak: huh? It's not |
| 19:59:38 | sobukus | my other player, the FrontierLabs NEX3+, has the same STMP3520 chip as the thomson lyra! |
| 19:59:50 | preglow | mirak: no it's not |
| 19:59:51 | mirak | amiconn: I can still do that to store the values of the plots |
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| 20:00:15 | * | sobukus notes that the nex3 has a lot more complicated interieur |
| 20:00:36 | mirak | I can use 4 registers to store 8 values of source data |
| 20:00:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort |
| 20:01:29 | preglow | the result in acc0 is only ever sixteen bits if the multiplicands have less than sixteen bits in total between them |
| 20:01:40 | mirak | the type of the block int_16* and it's increased of 8 at each loop, I can deduce the size is really 16 bits |
| 20:01:41 | preglow | not very likely |
| 20:01:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Some good optimizations in the yuv lines. Can't believe I forgot about using movem to get params from the stack! I guess I did so much FR testing I was sick of looking at it. :) |
| 20:02:02 | mirak | preglow: no |
| 20:02:16 | mirak | preglow: yes, I misread |
| 20:03:31 | * | preglow cuddles emac |
| 20:03:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The movem is mainly to reduce size. I also saved a register (by simply not storing the width during the whole loop, but instead re-fetching it for the second line) |
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| 20:04:11 | amiconn | Other than that, I applied the shortened clamping and cut a couple of redundant moves |
| 20:04:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it's classier that way |
| 20:04:59 | amiconn | And I saved one muls (possible because of the slightly adjusted coefficients) |
| 20:05:07 | jhMikeS | so gmini wiki hasn't been updated since 13 Fe |
| 20:05:11 | preglow | nope |
| 20:05:15 | preglow | the maintainer vanishes |
| 20:05:18 | preglow | vanished |
| 20:05:25 | preglow | and he says he'll need help to continue |
| 20:05:30 | preglow | which probably won't happen |
| 20:05:32 | preglow | it's a very hard port |
| 20:05:41 | preglow | it would probably be the hardest rockbox port yet |
| 20:05:47 | jhMikeS | does anyone else own one? |
| 20:05:52 | preglow | it's not that |
| 20:05:55 | preglow | it's the fact that it's very hard |
| 20:05:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: why is it the hardest? |
| 20:06:00 | preglow | i even think he had to make his own gcc target |
| 20:06:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: sixteen bit wide registers, no good gcc port, custom dsp core, flash based, harvard architecture |
| 20:07:35 | jhMikeS | not familiar with "harvard architecture" |
| 20:07:47 | preglow | separate data and code bus |
| 20:07:59 | preglow | and the code bus is attached directly the the flash, afaik |
| 20:08:04 | preglow | which makes it hard to load plugins and stuff from the disk |
| 20:08:05 | jhMikeS | yeah there's a wikipedia article |
| 20:08:13 | preglow | which means that all codecs and plugins need to be in flash |
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| 20:10:13 | jhMikeS | they mention PICs |
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| 20:12:02 | amiconn | The mentioned 1% speedup is overall mpegplayer speedup, so the function itself got more than 1% faster |
| 20:13:50 | * | sobukus wondering |
| 20:14:34 | sobukus | you were talking about something other than stmp3500 I guess... but the last lines of ditching sound similar |
| 20:14:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I see you updated x5...I still want 18bit color |
| 20:15:45 | jhMikeS | or did you do that? I didn't look closely |
| 20:17:19 | jhMikeS | never mind...I guess it still is :) |
| 20:18:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did you get your x5 yet? |
| 20:19:02 | amiconn | It is 18bit... |
| 20:19:21 | amiconn | ...and without an actual X5, I wouldn't have been able to test |
| 20:19:24 | jhMikeS | I look and saw and shut up ;) |
| 20:19:33 | amiconn | Btw, I also removed a couple of bugs |
| 20:19:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: where? |
| 20:20:08 | amiconn | There were some clr instructions in it where it should have been (and is now) clr.l |
| 20:20:20 | mirak | "mac.w %d0.L, %d4.L, (%a0)+, %d4, %acc0\n\t" I can't find the correct syntax to use lower and upper word |
| 20:20:22 | amiconn | The aseembler accepts that and defaults to clr.w (!!) |
| 20:20:31 | mirak | gcc says syntax error |
| 20:20:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: those are typos |
| 20:20:52 | preglow | mirak: mac.w %d0l, %d4l, (%a0)+, %d4, %acc0 |
| 20:21:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: They caused an actual glitch with my modifications |
| 20:21:21 | mirak | preglow: thank you ! |
| 20:21:28 | preglow | mirak: np |
| 20:21:39 | amiconn | (The leftmost 2 pixels of every other row were shiny blue) |
| 20:21:43 | jhMikeS | what do they size to by default |
| 20:21:49 | jhMikeS | word? |
| 20:21:53 | amiconn | [20:20:22] <amiconn> The aseembler accepts that and defaults to clr.w (!!) |
| 20:22:44 | amiconn | I found the problem relatively quick, because I ran into the same problem on iriver (there some pixels in dark areas became green) |
| 20:22:47 | mirak | preglow: I am not sure the register %d4 takes a word a long word from (%a0) |
| 20:22:53 | mirak | or/a |
| 20:23:07 | mirak | preglow: probably that's where the mask must be used ? |
| 20:23:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: eck, I probably wasn't hitting upper 16 bits again after inital clr.l then |
| 20:23:55 | amiconn | Seems so |
| 20:23:55 | mirak | preglow: ok that's 32 bits, I don't know how to read a manual ... |
| 20:24:09 | amiconn | I swapped the order of chroma and luma fetches |
| 20:24:24 | amiconn | It's more logical to me that way |
| 20:24:26 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why faster? more rectangular? |
| 20:24:44 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 20:25:09 | amiconn | You prepare chroma, then apply it to 2 consecutive luma values |
| 20:26:06 | jhMikeS | What's the FR now? It was 15.4 average? At 1% speedup about 15.5? |
| 20:26:33 | amiconn | I got 15.1 vs. 14.9 fps with my test video |
| 20:26:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I knew it needed a big going over but it was a big improvement over the c version |
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| 20:27:02 | sobukus | So even though a port to STMP3500 / Motorola 56K is not highly probable... I have some nice scans of Lyra PDP2335 and FrontierLabx NEX3+ internals... do you have a page somewhere to collect such stuff for others interested in what hardware is in their hardware? |
| 20:27:03 | amiconn | (an older encode of elephantsdream 176x128, probably not q6) |
| 20:27:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm judging everything based on the jamie's mom video which is where it started |
| 20:27:11 | preglow | mirak: 32 bits, yeah |
| 20:27:26 | amiconn | mirak: If you process 16bit values and have a streak of mac instructions, I wouldn't use the mask, but instead just fetch 32bit every other mac instruction |
| 20:28:13 | preglow | the mask can't be used for that at all |
| 20:28:18 | preglow | you use the mask to implement circular buffers |
| 20:28:19 | mirak | amiconn: the fetched value is in an array of 16bits values |
| 20:28:38 | jhMikeS | That video should be faster now. If the code isn't actually faster it is smaller which is very good too. |
| 20:29:00 | mirak | mac.w %d0l, %d4l, (%a0)+, %d4, %acc0 the value loaded in %d4 will be 16 bits |
| 20:29:09 | amiconn | No, 32bit |
| 20:29:15 | mirak | oh ok since I only take the lower part it's ok |
| 20:29:19 | * | amiconn recommends CFPRM.pdf |
| 20:29:20 | mirak | amiconn: yes 32 sorry |
| 20:29:35 | mirak | amiconn: I am on the manual already |
| 20:29:53 | amiconn | mirak: a0 will also incremented by 4, so you fetch 2 values into one register |
| 20:30:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: when does it give the FR? I don't see it in the corner any longer. |
| 20:30:15 | amiconn | Enable it in the menu... |
| 20:30:19 | mirak | amiconn: you sure ? |
| 20:30:24 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:30:41 | preglow | mirak: yes, it's like that |
| 20:31:02 | preglow | it's supposed to, freescale would be braindead not to do it like that |
| 20:31:41 | mirak | preglow: I though the incrementation depended of the instruction .size |
| 20:33:27 | mirak | preglow: 2.2.4 it says it depends of the size of the operand. That's not clear again |
| 20:33:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: The widescreen version of elephantsdream is playing realtime on X5 :) |
| 20:33:58 | linuxstb | Nice... The q6 one? |
| 20:34:15 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:34:26 | amiconn | Oh! |
| 20:34:27 | linuxstb | Is that with frame skipping, or is it just averaging 24fps? |
| 20:34:42 | amiconn | w/o framerate limiting I get ~30fps |
| 20:35:06 | amiconn | It goes down a bit after the intro |
| 20:35:15 | preglow | mirak: why do you read that? read the "mac with load" page |
| 20:35:23 | preglow | mirak: this isn't exactly an ordinary addressing mode |
| 20:35:28 | linuxstb | dan_a: I'm getting immediate *PANIC* stkov trying to run your COP kernel on my 5g... |
| 20:35:28 | mirak | preglow: it says, byte, word or long word. hum I guess you are right, it should be 32 bits, because if it's not 32 you could not take only the upper or lower part |
| 20:35:34 | preglow | mirak: the mac instruction page clearly says a 32 bit load is always performed |
| 20:36:01 | mirak | preglow: yes, my bad ... |
| 20:36:30 | jhMikeS | 15.3 |
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| 20:37:26 | XxBigP123xX | can someone tell me how to install a patch? |
| 20:37:58 | linuxstb | XxBigP123xX: You don't "install a patch", you "apply a patch to the Rockbox source code, and compile a new version of Rockbox." |
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| 20:38:11 | XxBigP123xX | o ok |
| 20:38:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Average is 26.3fps - then it shuts down |
| 20:38:36 | linuxstb | XxBigP123xX: There is lots of documentation in the Rockbox wiki about it. |
| 20:38:38 | amiconn | Grrrrr, I should really fix that |
| 20:38:43 | linuxstb | The idle timeout? |
| 20:38:46 | amiconn | yup |
| 20:39:01 | amiconn | video.rock does signal activity properly |
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| 20:42:47 | * | amiconn wonders how that works... |
| 20:43:34 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
| 20:44:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Wonder why it's not speedier?? Is the player itself a bit slower now and eating up the savings? |
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| 20:44:38 | amiconn | Possible. I tested w/o updating the player, I only changed the core |
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| 20:45:01 | linuxstb | The q6-160x96 video is playing at around 39fps on my 5g, but it looks a bit silly... |
| 20:45:06 | * | jhMikeS has to get that recording patch up for others to gaze upon and laugh |
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| 20:45:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: How fast is the 224px widescreen version on your color? |
| 20:46:20 | linuxstb | I think around 18-19fps, I'll check. |
| 20:46:28 | jhMikeS | is it in any was discouraged to use /apps header in /firmware files (#include "../apps/file.h")? I found it nescessary to do what I wanted. |
| 20:46:40 | amiconn | It's forbidden |
| 20:47:06 | preglow | apps can call firmware, but not other way around |
| 20:47:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why? |
| 20:48:17 | jhMikeS | They're compiled to the same binary...it doesn't make sense to me in all cases |
| 20:48:38 | preglow | it was originally done to be able to make several applications |
| 20:48:43 | preglow | but that never happened, and it's still there |
| 20:48:58 | preglow | i still think it's kind of good, though |
| 20:49:11 | amiconn | It's simply to have a layer of abstraction |
| 20:49:13 | * | linuxstb likes having a low-level, high-level split in the code |
| 20:49:32 | linuxstb | Problem is that stuff that was low-level on hwcodec is now high-level on swcodec |
| 20:49:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: I get around 17fps on h300 |
| 20:49:42 | jhMikeS | Maybe my audio_set_source code should be higher level then? Where should it go? |
| 20:50:01 | amiconn | Sounds like it is firmware layer |
| 20:50:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: no, that sounds like a fine firmware/ candidate |
| 20:50:12 | amiconn | Why do you need to call app code from that? |
| 20:50:31 | preglow | linuxstb: like what, really? |
| 20:50:53 | jhMikeS | it turns the devices associated with that source on and off (fm radio in one case). It makes the screens and everything else much cleaner |
| 20:50:58 | linuxstb | preglow: Mainly the playback engine. |
| 20:51:17 | linuxstb | (and related stuff like mpeg stream and id3 parsing) |
| 20:51:19 | preglow | linuxstb: i can't imagine why that should be any more lowlevel for hwcodec than swcodec, really |
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| 20:51:49 | jhMikeS | You just select a soure, whether it's for recording and it sets up power/peak meters/mux/and line/mic |
| 20:52:11 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree - to me it's high-level code, but it was implemented in firmware... |
| 20:52:27 | jhMikeS | There's no audio_set_source for hwcodec...I didn't muss with that. |
| 20:52:41 | preglow | linuxstb: ah yeah, sure, i'm not questioning that, i'm merely saying it shouldn't be there ;) |
| 20:52:58 | linuxstb | preglow: We agree :) |
| 20:52:59 | preglow | linuxstb: firmware should be pure drivers and kernel, if you ask me |
| 20:53:08 | amiconn | No it shouldn't - but changing that means the wanted-but-hard-to-do playback unification |
| 20:53:26 | amiconn | With the current swcodec playback engine state I don't see that happen soon :( |
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| 20:53:35 | preglow | pft, it's not that bad |
| 20:53:45 | * | preglow wants metadata on buffer |
| 20:54:20 | amiconn | To me it looks so strange and complex that I don't understand how it works - even with the explanation in the wiki |
| 20:54:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: It started around 28fps, and has settled at around 27fps. |
| 20:54:33 | preglow | sure, me too, but i don't know how much can be done about that |
| 20:54:39 | * | jhMikeS is not sure what to do then. Maybe use playback.c |
| 20:54:54 | amiconn | And I think a playback engine doesn't need to be as complex as the swcodec engine is |
| 20:55:20 | amiconn | Linus seems to think the same |
| 20:55:25 | jhMikeS | the swcodec engine looks pretty simple now! *slapping self* |
| 20:56:52 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but that sounds more like a hunch than anything else. i haven't heard any real reasons |
| 20:57:02 | preglow | just "this looks to complex for some reason i can't explain" |
| 20:57:06 | preglow | too, even |
| 20:57:34 | Mikachu | i think it's complex because of gapless |
| 20:57:53 | * | preglow waits for a smiley |
| 20:58:00 | Mikachu | not gonna happen |
| 20:58:02 | preglow | haha |
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| 21:00:09 | amiconn | hmm |
| 21:00:55 | amiconn | I just had a thought - what will the playback engine do if crossfading is enabled, and the crossfade time is longer than a short track? |
| 21:01:23 | preglow | now, there's the kind of thing that makes it complex |
| 21:01:27 | jhMikeS | The voice is a bugger and hangs...but it doesn't hang the spot I fixed it when whizzing through to the recording screen w/voice |
| 21:01:47 | preglow | amiconn: the playback engine isn't too fond of short files as it is |
| 21:01:52 | preglow | amiconn: it'll probably do something nasty |
| 21:02:07 | preglow | i've used crossfade a total of one times, so i wouldn't know |
| 21:02:12 | amiconn | Legal CD tracks can be as short as 4 seconds |
| 21:03:00 | amiconn | I mean valid |
| 21:03:06 | preglow | not shorter? |
| 21:03:10 | preglow | i'm certain i' |
| 21:03:13 | amiconn | no |
| 21:03:19 | preglow | i'm certain i've got a shorter one |
| 21:03:26 | amiconn | Red Book says 4 seconds |
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| 21:03:37 | preglow | ahh, no, it's four seconds |
| 21:03:38 | amiconn | 300 blocks |
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| 21:04:32 | preglow | anyway |
| 21:04:37 | preglow | cd tracks is by no means the standard |
| 21:04:46 | preglow | i can make tracks a couple of samples long if i want |
| 21:04:47 | preglow | no problem |
| 21:05:03 | preglow | or an mp3 with just one frame |
| 21:05:03 | preglow | etc |
| 21:06:27 | amiconn | hehe |
| 21:06:45 | * | amiconn imagines a playlist consisting of 1-second tracks, each encoded with a different codec |
| 21:07:10 | Mikachu | and different sample rates/channels |
| 21:07:25 | jhMikeS | is that a bit harsh? :) |
| 21:08:05 | linuxstb | That's probably a good way to break gapless... |
| 21:08:13 | jhMikeS | a playback torture test is in order... |
| 21:08:38 | linuxstb | Or maybe not... Rockbox should be able to swap codecs in less than a second. |
| 21:09:03 | jhMikeS | i think it can but you'll often have to spin the disk to load a new one |
| 21:09:25 | linuxstb | The codec is buffered in the audio buffer before the first track that uses it. |
| 21:09:51 | linuxstb | (so no disk spinups when changing codecs) |
| 21:11:14 | jhMikeS | even if you have 10 different 1s files in a row with 10 different formats? |
| 21:11:51 | jhMikeS | It has to spin it at some point if it's not loaded yet |
| 21:12:48 | amiconn | The codecs are buffered at the time the tracks are buffered |
| 21:12:53 | linuxstb | When the track is buffered, the format is checked using get_metadata(), and then if the codec is different to the previous track, it's loaded and stored in the audio buffer. There should be space for 10 different codec binaries and 10 1s tracks in the audio buffer. |
| 21:13:12 | jhMikeS | makes sense |
| 21:13:44 | Mikachu | when you play an mp3, then an ogg, and skip back, it would load the mp3 codec from disk? |
| 21:14:28 | Mikachu | that doesn't really have anything to do with this though.. :) |
| 21:14:33 | linuxstb | dan_a: I'm guessing you've been testing your COP code with the cache disabled? I think the bootloader will need to set up the COP's stack and fill it with 0xdeadbeef. |
| 21:14:49 | linuxstb | Mikachu: IIUC, it would also reload the first mp3 track. |
| 21:15:05 | Mikachu | and reload all tracks after it? |
| 21:15:39 | linuxstb | Yes. But I think it only loads about 2MB of data in the first attempt, then when that is emptied to the watermark, the buffer is filled completely. |
| 21:15:41 | jhMikeS | There's only space for one active codec in IRAM, right? There's no codec MRU cache I'm aware of yet. |
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| 21:29:50 | XxBigP123xX | i got a question |
| 21:30:13 | XxBigP123xX | can i play galaga on my 5th gen. ipod? |
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| 21:30:59 | linuxstb | You could probably play a Gameboy version of Galaga if there is such a thing and you can find the ROM. |
| 21:31:15 | XxBigP123xX | i can find the rom myself |
| 21:31:17 | XxBigP123xX | thanks |
| 21:31:54 | XxBigP123xX | i found one |
| 21:33:14 | TeaSea | brb _AGAIN_ |
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| 21:35:13 | jhMikeS | It reads from disk if the current codec is not the same as the previous. |
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| 21:37:07 | dionoea | re |
| 21:38:31 | jhMikeS | so I guess it's an MRU cache with 1 entry...the currently loaded one. |
| 21:39:29 | amiconn | It reads the codec from disk when the new track requires a different codec than th eprevious track |
| 21:39:40 | amiconn | ..at the time the tracks are buffered |
| 21:40:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes, but it could cache a couple in ram instead of hitting the disk |
| 21:40:15 | amiconn | It does! |
| 21:40:33 | Mikachu | it would make no sense to cache them _and_ put them in the codec buffer |
| 21:40:40 | Mikachu | well, i guess a little sense |
| 21:41:14 | jhMikeS | If it does MP3/FLAC/MP3/FLAC it will hit the disk four times |
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| 21:41:26 | Mikachu | when buffering, when it is hitting the disk anyway |
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| 21:41:47 | Mikachu | i don't see how you would put an mp3 on the codec buffer without the disk spinning |
| 21:42:14 | jhMikeS | This could be done better.../** |
| 21:42:14 | jhMikeS | * Sets the audio source and powers/unpowers related devices. |
| 21:42:14 | jhMikeS | */ |
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| 21:42:14 | jhMikeS | void audio_set_source(int source, bool recording) |
| 21:42:14 | jhMikeS | { |
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| 21:42:20 | belze | did you know that you got a loud noisefloor on ogg-files which changes with the volume? |
| 21:42:24 | jhMikeS | wtf? |
| 21:42:38 | jhMikeS | Sometimes my clipboard get pasted here for no apparent reason |
| 21:42:40 | belze | on a h100 that is |
| 21:42:48 | belze | *h110 |
| 21:42:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:42:56 | * | jhMikeS is sorry for that |
| 21:43:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: A full audio buffer would look something like this: [mpa.codec | track1.mp3 | track2.mp3 | vorbis.codec | track3.ogg | a52.codec | track4.ac3 | etc etc] |
| 21:43:47 | dionoea | how do you know the codec to use before reading the file ? |
| 21:44:02 | jhMikeS | yes it looks it up by format id |
| 21:44:19 | dionoea | like .ogg can only be voribis ? |
| 21:44:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:44:26 | dionoea | or does it preparse the file ? |
| 21:44:59 | Ribs | .ogg can be speex as well |
| 21:45:07 | Ribs | which rockbox doesn't handle too well atm :/ |
| 21:45:12 | Ribs | unless that's improved recently |
| 21:45:35 | ze | ogg is just a container and can be almost anything |
| 21:45:39 | dionoea | i know |
| 21:45:51 | Mikachu | only mp3 isn't a container really |
| 21:45:52 | jhMikeS | dionoea I really don't know... |
| 21:46:00 | dionoea | i was just asking how it knew that it needed to cache vorbis.codec and not speex.codec |
| 21:46:10 | dionoea | linuxstb: do you know ? |
| 21:46:34 | Mikachu | i guess it runs the get_metadata function or something before buffering it |
| 21:46:39 | Mikachu | s/the/a/ |
| 21:47:00 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: yes but for each change it will hit the disk...if it's MP3/OGG/MP3/OGG it COULD be made to only hit twice instead of four |
| 21:47:31 | Ribs | jhMikeS, it doesn't actually check |
| 21:47:38 | Ribs | I think it just assumes vorbis the whole time |
| 21:47:45 | Ribs | 'cos this speex file I have still doesn't play |
| 21:47:59 | dionoea | Mikachu: but doesn't getting the meta data require demuxing the file ? (which is, AFAIK, handled by codecs in rockbox) |
| 21:48:20 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: No - it hits the disk once and fills the buffer. So in one disk spin-up, it will load all the required codecs and tracks at the same time. |
| 21:49:00 | linuxstb | dionoea: As Mikachu said, when the disk is spinning, and just before the track is loaded into the buffer, get_metadata is called which reads the ID3 tags and identifies which audio codec is needed to decode the file. |
| 21:49:02 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I understand...If the files are long enough for spindown to occurr \it probably doesn't matter. |
| 21:49:42 | amiconn | It buffers as many files as will fit into the buffer |
| 21:49:53 | linuxstb | ? It will load about 28MB worth of audio - which even as FLAC will be a few minutes. |
| 21:50:18 | linuxstb | (sorry, less on 16MB targets) |
| 21:51:05 | amiconn | Btw, I'm thinking about a way to handle the pcm codec on archos |
| 21:51:47 | amiconn | I don't think it's worth to go for fully loadable codecs - we will only have 2, mpeg audio and pcm audio |
| 21:52:19 | linuxstb | How big is the PCM codec? |
| 21:52:26 | amiconn | I would also like the default codec to stay built-in - but then it's not wise to reserve a separate codec buffer just for the pcm codec |
| 21:53:06 | amiconn | ...and otoh, making the pcm codec built-in is also not a good idea, because it probably won't get used often |
| 21:53:38 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Well...my point is (I think I have one :)...a string of short files will load the codecs and files up to available space...long files won't have a significant relative load from loading codecs. |
| 21:54:32 | amiconn | Controlling the pcm codec from the CPU is very similar to controlling the mpeg audio codec. |
| 21:54:47 | amiconn | The big part is the executable blob for the MAS |
| 21:55:31 | amiconn | About 12KB when stored as 32bit words, and 7.5KB as 20bit words |
| 21:56:01 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting. But the codecs are relatively tiny compared to audio files - look at build/apps/codecs/*.codec mpa.codec is relative large at about 84KB (on ARM, less on Coldfire) |
| 21:56:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: yes...except short audio files |
| 21:57:01 | * | linuxstb is still surprised to see flac.codec at only 11720 bytes... |
| 21:57:37 | * | jhMikeS has to find out what the he11 keystroke pastes his whole damn clipboard |
| 21:57:59 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What alternative are you suggesting? The current method is simple, and works well under normal circumstances. |
| 21:58:06 | dionoea | jhMikeS: are you using linux ? |
| 21:58:18 | * | jhMikeS is probably hitting ctrl-V by mistake with his bad typing |
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| 21:58:31 | jhMikeS | dionea: no Visual IRC 2.0 |
| 21:58:55 | dionoea | ok ... (on linux you can paste by clicking the middle mouse button) |
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| 21:59:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How likely is it that someone plays a whole bunch of tiny files, _and_ those files require changing codecs everytime? |
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| 22:00:18 | amiconn | The codec is only buffered with the track if it's different to the previous |
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| 22:00:20 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: after thinking it through with everyone...I'm think any mru cache in ram is unneeded |
| 22:00:30 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not likely... |
| 22:00:35 | dionoea | you could cache all the codecs at the begining of the buffer if they're small enough |
| 22:01:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it came to mind because of talking about "torturing" the playback |
| 22:01:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think a similar approach to what swcodec does might be the best method: Buffering the MAS blob in front of a pcm track - if the previous track was mpeg audio |
| 22:01:53 | jhMikeS | dionoea: I don't see how that would help |
| 22:02:07 | amiconn | The binary code for pcm operation would be built-in, and would send the blob to the MAS |
| 22:02:41 | amiconn | A short gap when switching mpa<->pcm will be unavoidable |
| 22:03:35 | amiconn | The mas dsp core has to be stopped, the blob sent over i2c (12KB!), then the pcm codec needs to be initialised |
| 22:03:49 | amiconn | Switching back to mppa is faster (no i2c blob transfer) |
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| 22:12:15 | jhMikeS | I'm so ticked off about this firmware/apps thing getting in the way of the sensible thing I'd like to do. |
| 22:13:28 | mirak | preglow: there seems to be a problem in the manual for coldfire at the EMAC section. some pages seems to be in dupes with the pages in the MAC. |
| 22:14:05 | mirak | in CFPRM |
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| 22:19:46 | mirak | hum only the 8 bits in plus make it called E MAC ? |
| 22:23:37 | preglow | mirak: oh? |
| 22:23:56 | mirak | that's a bit weird |
| 22:24:28 | preglow | mirak: dupes? |
| 22:24:32 | mirak | the MAC instruction comes in the EMAC section, but with only difference the result is on 40 bits instead of 32 |
| 22:24:33 | amiconn | It's called emac because of several enhancements |
| 22:24:49 | preglow | mirak: the result is 40 bits for emac as well... |
| 22:24:55 | preglow | mirak: in some cases, even 48 bits |
| 22:25:00 | amiconn | The accumulator width is 48 bit instead of 32 |
| 22:25:05 | mirak | the enhancements I see are some add and sub at the same time |
| 22:25:07 | amiconn | There are 4 accumulators instead of 1 |
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| 22:26:01 | mirak | hum ok I must be tired or really don't know how to read this manual ... |
| 22:26:11 | amiconn | MOVCLR instruction to move & clear at once |
| 22:27:21 | mirak | multiply and add to first and to second accumulator, or substract. To bad this one doesn't have loading to register also |
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| 22:34:09 | mirak | preglow: did you used the coldfire emulator ? |
| 22:34:21 | preglow | no |
| 22:35:22 | preglow | does that work with the emac? |
| 22:36:18 | barrywardell | anyone familiar with the ipod/pp code in crt0.S? |
| 22:36:41 | preglow | yeah, somewhat |
| 22:36:52 | barrywardell | I'm trying to use a stripped down 'Normal' build but execution never seems to reach main() |
| 22:37:17 | barrywardell | I can't figure out why |
| 22:37:19 | linuxstb | Are you sure you're editing the correct main() - the first one in apps/main.c is for the simulator - the second is for targets. |
| 22:37:35 | * | linuxstb has been hit by that in the past... |
| 22:37:36 | barrywardell | yes, i'm editing the second one |
| 22:38:10 | barrywardell | I put lcd_puts() and lcd_update() at the start of main |
| 22:38:19 | barrywardell | notinig shows up on the screen |
| 22:38:38 | linuxstb | I think that's because the lcd and fonts haven't been intialised at that point. |
| 22:38:42 | mirak | preglow: don't know, that's 5206 coldfire |
| 22:39:01 | barrywardell | it works fine in the bootloader build though |
| 22:39:03 | preglow | barrywardell: got a h10 again? |
| 22:39:31 | barrywardell | yes |
| 22:39:33 | preglow | good, good |
| 22:39:46 | barrywardell | got it yesterday. I'm trying to see if I can get sound working\ |
| 22:40:57 | * | dionoea wonders how much time this h10 will last ... a week ? |
| 22:41:02 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Have you checked if the COP changes dan_a has committed affect the H10? |
| 22:41:11 | barrywardell | I've been looking at crt0.S. The non-bootloader build does a remapping of memory and enables interrupts |
| 22:41:35 | barrywardell | linuxstb: not yet. maybe I'll remove them in my code and test that |
| 22:41:56 | preglow | barrywardell: do you know what was broken on it? |
| 22:42:09 | linuxstb | No need to remove them - just make sure they're enabled for the H10. You'll also need to change your bootloader to sync with the recent ipod.c changes. |
| 22:42:22 | preglow | barrywardell: you could try removing the remapping and just never enabling interrupts |
| 22:42:45 | mirak | preglow: seems 5206 doesn't have emac |
| 22:42:49 | barrywardell | preglow: are either necessary for testing audio? |
| 22:43:13 | barrywardell | preglow: it was the hdd that was broken |
| 22:43:29 | preglow | barrywardell: weird... |
| 22:43:39 | preglow | barrywardell: i'm just thinking about your main() problem... |
| 22:43:52 | sobukus | So even though a port to STMP3500 / Motorola 56K is not highly probable... I have some nice scans of Lyra PDP2335 and FrontierLabx NEX3+ internals... do you have a page somewhere to collect such stuff for others interested in what hardware is in their hardware? |
| 22:44:03 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think testing audio is a bit premature - you need to get Rockbox compiling and running first... Which shouldn't be too much work now you have an LCD driver. |
| 22:44:13 | preglow | agreed |
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| 22:44:28 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i have it compiling |
| 22:44:42 | barrywardell | there aren't any build errors anyway |
| 22:45:31 | barrywardell | I haven't actually tried to use a build on my H10 yet though |
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| 22:45:44 | linuxstb | Try checking the changes in cvs that dan_a made to bootloader/ipod.c and apply them to your bootloader. |
| 22:46:01 | * | barrywardell is afraid of killing another H10 |
| 22:46:25 | killa909 | hey guys... just installed rockbox successfully on the ipod... but now I cant mount the ipod... can anybody guide me a little/ |
| 22:46:42 | dionoea | killa909: linux ? |
| 22:46:51 | killa909 | naw... OS X |
| 22:47:03 | linuxstb | Firewire? |
| 22:47:04 | * | dionoea won't be able to help |
| 22:47:07 | killa909 | firewire |
| 22:47:16 | killa909 | ipod photo 60 gb |
| 22:47:23 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't detect firewire connections - you need to manually reboot to disk mode. |
| 22:47:46 | linuxstb | (or use USB) |
| 22:47:49 | killa909 | oh... I had a feeling... how do I manually boot the pod into disk mode... |
| 22:48:16 | killa909 | unfort, i dont have USB 2.0 on the computer... so disk mode will suffice i think |
| 22:48:16 | linuxstb | Hold PLAY for a few seconds to cleanly shut down Rockbox. Then press MENU or SELECT to turn it back on, and immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY. |
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| 22:48:35 | killa909 | while plugged in? |
| 22:48:44 | linuxstb | Doesn't matter. |
| 22:49:13 | mirak | in the idct the block array wich contains coef is int_16 * , however inside the function it does int d0=block[i] . Does such an operation preserve the sign ? |
| 22:49:18 | killa909 | whaddyaknow... that works... |
| 22:49:45 | killa909 | linuxstb - thanks |
| 22:49:51 | killa909 | big time |
| 22:50:02 | linuxstb | No problem. |
| 22:50:23 | killa909 | now, regarding which directory to drag my music into, I can just drag the files into the ipod root? |
| 22:50:41 | Mikachu | you can create a /music dir for neatness |
| 22:50:47 | linuxstb | Yes, you can put them anywhere. Most people have an Artist/Album/NN-TrackName.ext setup. |
| 22:50:52 | killa909 | who likes neatness |
| 22:51:11 | killa909 | great... thanks everybody |
| 22:53:43 | killa909 | on the video ipods, does rockbox support video playback/ |
| 22:54:20 | linuxstb | No. |
| 22:54:25 | barrywardell | so maybe the problem isn't in crt0.S |
| 22:54:30 | Mikachu | linuxstb: short answer :) |
| 22:54:48 | barrywardell | I changed it to use the bootloader code in that file instead and still no luck |
| 22:54:57 | killa909 | i suppose its in development? i know you guys love the n00bs coming in here and messing everything up |
| 22:55:20 | linuxstb | killa909: There's a video player for Rockbox in development, but it's for all devices Rockbox supports - i.e. it just uses the main CPU, not the video chip which only exists in the 5g. |
| 22:55:35 | * | Mikachu erases the same response from his input line |
| 22:55:39 | linuxstb | ^all devices with colour LCDs that Rockbox supports. |
| 22:55:43 | linuxstb | Mikachu: patience :) |
| 22:55:55 | killa909 | oh wow... thats amazing |
| 22:56:36 | killa909 | are the ipod processors strong enough for work like that? i was reading about the progress and noticed a lot of the bugs seem to be attributed to processor strength |
| 22:56:51 | Mikachu | killa909: all ipods have 2 cpus, rockbox only uses one of them |
| 22:56:59 | Mikachu | (yet) |
| 22:57:04 | killa909 | interesting |
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| 22:57:09 | linuxstb | The bugs aren't really problems with processor power, Rockbox just isn't running efficiently enough yet. |
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| 22:57:41 | killa909 | oh I see... |
| 22:59:27 | killa909 | okay, more questions: how often is it suggested that I update my rockbox software? |
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| 23:00:12 | Mikachu | when something cool happens :) |
| 23:00:26 | killa909 | hahah.... |
| 23:00:29 | killa909 | like video playback |
| 23:00:37 | killa909 | or a more efficient build |
| 23:00:52 | dionoea | or improved battery life on ipods ... :/ |
| 23:00:56 | linuxstb | Video playback is already in the official builds - see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer for the current status and instructions. |
| 23:01:26 | killa909 | oh shit |
| 23:01:38 | killa909 | battery life for ipods seems to really be a problem, i guess |
| 23:01:53 | dionoea | kind of |
| 23:01:55 | linuxstb | Depends how far away you are from a charger... |
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| 23:02:02 | killa909 | hahaahahahaaha |
| 23:02:38 | dionoea | a USB port in fact ... i don't own the "standalone" charger |
| 23:02:57 | dionoea | btw, that's kind of outrageous. Selling a player without the charger and with crappy headphones |
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| 23:03:01 | killa909 | yeah cause apple cheaped out and doesnt include them anymore |
| 23:03:36 | killa909 | well, the crappy headphones are excusable, if not ideal.. but i agree, the lack of a charger really is a kick in the pants |
| 23:03:45 | killa909 | cause the thing is like 40 bucks or something |
| 23:04:09 | killa909 | i suppose there are disgruntled ipod owners on craigslist selling their chargers for super cheap or even giving them away |
| 23:04:47 | dionoea | yeah ... maybe. (i doubt that the charger cost anywhere near $40 to manufacture btw) |
| 23:05:01 | Mikachu | i doubt the ipod socks cost $30 to manufacture |
| 23:06:27 | killa909 | I meant to the consumer |
| 23:06:38 | killa909 | im going to disregard the socks comment |
| 23:07:05 | killa909 | so, what about the themes for rockbox... |
| 23:07:12 | killa909 | it doesnt seem tthat they are applied |
| 23:07:28 | linuxstb | Did you download and unzip the fonts .zip file? |
| 23:07:38 | killa909 | i did not |
| 23:07:56 | linuxstb | It's on the daily builds page - the last item (with a Rockbox logo above it) |
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| 23:09:26 | killa909 | okay, downloaded and expanded... it seems the files are invisible |
| 23:09:30 | killa909 | is this correct? |
| 23:11:05 | dionoea | it's stored in /.rockbox which is hidden (at least on linux it's hidden) |
| 23:11:18 | dionoea | since it starts with a . |
| 23:11:21 | killa909 | right... okay... |
| 23:12:01 | killa909 | restarting finder to see invisibles |
| 23:12:33 | killa909 | so where do I drag this .rockbox/fonts/ |
| 23:12:51 | dionoea | in the ipod's root |
| 23:13:05 | killa909 | okay... |
| 23:13:06 | dionoea | where you already have a .rockbox folder i guess |
| 23:13:20 | dionoea | and themes go in .rockbox/themes/ |
| 23:13:31 | dionoea | (nice themes are available on http://www.rockbox-themes.org ) |
| 23:13:33 | killa909 | so there is already a .rockbox/ dir on the ipod, drag the fonts into there... |
| 23:14:15 | dionoea | (well in fact themes go in .rockbox/themes/ and other .rockbox/* folders) |
| 23:14:22 | dionoea | killa909: right |
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| 23:16:15 | killa909 | i like how they display the black eyed peas "my humps" for all the theemes |
| 23:18:26 | killa909 | can i place any sort of jpg into the backdrops foldeR? |
| 23:18:38 | dionoea | only .bmp files |
| 23:18:45 | dionoea | with same resolution as your device's LCD |
| 23:18:54 | killa909 | oh interesting |
| 23:21:12 | dionoea | you can put them anywhere and press "select" for a long time |
| 23:21:24 | dionoea | it'll display a small menu with a "Set backdrop" entry |
| 23:21:27 | Mikachu | they'll only be remembered in backdrops/ |
| 23:22:30 | killa909 | oh interesting |
| 23:22:32 | killa909 | haha |
| 23:22:40 | killa909 | my english seems limited today |
| 23:22:43 | Mikachu | do you have a hotkey for sayingthat? |
| 23:22:52 | killa909 | no, but I should, right |
| 23:22:59 | dionoea | Mikachu: why is that limited btw ? (i've wanted to ask for a long time) |
| 23:23:14 | Mikachu | ask someone who knows :) |
| 23:23:19 | killa909 | what are your favorite features of rockbox? |
| 23:23:48 | dionoea | solitaire and the chopper game |
| 23:23:54 | dionoea | (chopper is a pending patch) |
| 23:24:10 | killa909 | what does pending patch mean, sorry |
| 23:24:13 | dionoea | another nice gadget feature is that it plays audio :) |
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| 23:24:26 | dionoea | killa909: that it's not in the official source code yet |
| 23:24:27 | pixelma | btw dionoea... how's solitaire doing now? |
| 23:24:46 | dionoea | it's ... doing :) |
| 23:24:52 | killa909 | yeah the audio functionality seems really great |
| 23:24:55 | dionoea | it'll be doing better next week end |
| 23:25:03 | pixelma | :) |
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| 23:29:50 | killa909 | this is kind of a bitch to set up guys |
| 23:29:53 | killa909 | gotta be honest |
| 23:29:54 | coob | powerbook:~ root# umount /dev/disk1s3 |
| 23:29:55 | coob | umount: unmount(/Volumes/iPod Nano): Resource busy |
| 23:29:57 | coob | any ideas |
| 23:30:05 | coob | itunes not open |
| 23:30:07 | coob | not in its does |
| 23:30:12 | coob | itunes helper killed |
| 23:30:20 | killa909 | its not mounted, right? |
| 23:30:28 | coob | of course it's mounted |
| 23:30:35 | killa909 | oh nm |
| 23:30:38 | coob | why else would i be trying to unmount it |
| 23:30:42 | killa909 | i didnt read it |
| 23:30:43 | killa909 | sorry |
| 23:31:10 | linuxstb | coob: Do you have any shells sitting in the "/Volumes/iPod Nano" directory? |
| 23:31:22 | coob | no |
| 23:31:24 | linuxstb | Also, does Mac OS X have the "lsof" command? |
| 23:31:34 | coob | yes |
| 23:31:55 | linuxstb | Then that will tell you - try "lsof | grep disk1" |
| 23:32:20 | linuxstb | Or maybe it won't, thinking about it.... |
| 23:32:30 | coob | nope :) |
| 23:32:58 | coob | ah |
| 23:33:00 | coob | spotlight |
| 23:33:07 | coob | that scheming little bastards |
| 23:33:20 | killa909 | wow it was indexing |
| 23:33:45 | killa909 | wouldnt force unmount work too? |
| 23:34:28 | * | jhMikeS got a decent solution to the firware/apps dilemma :) |
| 23:34:43 | stripwax | So - I noticed a recent cvs commit, "Fix profile builds". - we have timer profiling in the code now? Does it work on target or on sim only? |
| 23:35:25 | coob | doh umount -f did the trick |
| 23:35:37 | linuxstb | stripwax: See docs/TECH |
| 23:35:40 | stripwax | Nemmind - I just found the setting under Devel. |
| 23:35:43 | stripwax | linuxstb - sweet, thanks |
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| 23:38:00 | killa909 | okay, playing with the rockbox, although setting this thing up has been a major bitch... im pleasantly surprised by how intuitive it is... nice job guys |
| 23:38:42 | killa909 | love scrolling through the volume menu in sound while a song is playing |
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| 23:40:12 | killa909 | found a bug |
| 23:40:14 | killa909 | i think |
| 23:40:31 | midkay | go on :) |
| 23:40:41 | killa909 | hitting rockbox info while song is playing - eh, nevermind |
| 23:40:45 | killa909 | it was hangning |
| 23:40:55 | dionoea | that's a known ipod bug |
| 23:41:03 | killa909 | but for real this time, it froze |
| 23:41:26 | dionoea | completely ? |
| 23:41:32 | killa909 | yep |
| 23:41:34 | stripwax | did it freeze or was it just reading the directory structure to count the number of files and directories (which is what Info shows iirc) |
| 23:41:42 | stripwax | takes some time as I recall |
| 23:41:44 | killa909 | no, it did that before... |
| 23:42:11 | killa909 | then i hit back - once or twice - began to scroll down the menu, and it froze |
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| 23:42:18 | killa909 | just had to force restart |
| 23:42:26 | preglow | oooh, new musepack seek patch |
| 23:42:27 | Aggort | Anyone help me with wps files? |
| 23:42:57 | Aggort | for soem reason I can't get my volume display |
| 23:43:12 | killa909 | i placed a bmp in the backdrops dir... how do i select the file though |
| 23:43:41 | stripwax | killa909 - as above, hold down the select key and select the option to use it when the short menu appears |
| 23:43:54 | Aggort | Anyone> |
| 23:43:57 | Aggort | ?*- |
| 23:44:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:44:42 | dionoea | alternative is to go in settings, Device->Select backdrop or something like that i think |
| 23:44:56 | stripwax | Aggort - that silence might mean a 'no' unfortunately |
| 23:45:05 | killa909 | thanks to you both |
| 23:45:10 | Aggort | lol |
| 23:45:21 | Aggort | I can't fiugure out why it won;ty display |
| 23:45:22 | killa909 | currently viewing a relatively large jpg |
| 23:45:32 | killa909 | how do i get out of this viewing mode |
| 23:45:37 | killa909 | menu is not functioning |
| 23:45:49 | stripwax | Aggort - I know *nothing* about WPS but my suggestion would be to compare your WPS to one that you know works |
| 23:46:03 | stripwax | killa909 - menu + select? |
| 23:46:11 | stripwax | (although don't hold it down too long ;-)) |
| 23:46:11 | killa909 | of course |
| 23:46:14 | killa909 | it worked befor |
| 23:46:16 | killa909 | right |
| 23:46:24 | killa909 | its like force quit... ctrl alt delete |
| 23:46:27 | dionoea | killa909: plugin exist keys can be select / menu / select+menu |
| 23:46:44 | stripwax | Yeah - about that. It;'s sortof annoying that these are inconsistent between plugins |
| 23:46:46 | killa909 | listen guys, i appreciate all your help |
| 23:46:54 | killa909 | true... |
| 23:46:59 | dionoea | stripwax: yep. |
| 23:47:03 | dionoea | good night everyone |
| 23:47:07 | stripwax | night |
| 23:47:18 | * | rotator perks up and the mention of musepack seeking |
| 23:48:19 | stripwax | Would it make sense for all plugins to use select+menu as quit? (I can already see arguments both for and against though) |
| 23:49:02 | Aggort | Strip - Yea I did that, they are identical |
| 23:49:07 | Aggort | I can't figure out wtf is wrong |
| 23:49:48 | stripwax | Aggort - I'm guessing there must be some difference or it would just work ;-) - can you post a link to your wps? |
| 23:50:25 | Aggort | Solved it, at last |
| 23:50:27 | Aggort | lol |
| 23:50:32 | Aggort | thanks anyway thoiugh |
| 23:50:42 | stripwax | what was the problem |
| 23:51:04 | Aggort | I unno |
| 23:51:07 | Aggort | ... |
| 23:51:09 | Aggort | Nevermind |
| 23:51:12 | Aggort | it's gone again |
| 23:51:15 | Aggort | this is fucking weird |
| 23:51:15 | Aggort | lol |
| 23:51:25 | stripwax | hrmm.. |
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| 23:52:15 | killa909 | gotta say my favorite theme is the lohan theme |
| 23:52:22 | killa909 | just wish it was like an "oops" photo |
| 23:52:30 | stripwax | killa909 - could always edit it |
| 23:52:38 | killa909 | yeah for sure |
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| 23:53:03 | killa909 | so i got this thing going |
| 23:53:06 | killa909 | playing music |
| 23:53:08 | killa909 | theme |
| 23:53:09 | killa909 | all that |
| 23:53:14 | killa909 | do i need any patches or anything? |
| 23:53:24 | stripwax | killa909 - congrats! why would you need patches? |
| 23:53:38 | killa909 | i dont know |
| 23:53:47 | stripwax | (note the word "need" - are there features you think you need that you currently don't have?) |
| 23:53:51 | killa909 | so i have more questions to ask you guys |
| 23:54:03 | stripwax | we'll be here all week |
| 23:54:05 | killa909 | im not really sure |
| 23:54:06 | Aggort | Oh |
| 23:54:07 | Aggort | ok |
| 23:54:09 | Aggort | I got it |
| 23:54:09 | Aggort | now |
| 23:54:13 | stripwax | Aggort - what was it |
| 23:54:28 | Aggort | There was conflict between two files. I didn't realize I listed it twuice |
| 23:54:33 | Aggort | that's why somettimes it'd show |
| 23:54:35 | Aggort | and sometime snot |
| 23:54:44 | Aggort | the first time it was I had the wrong folder lsited |
| 23:54:52 | stripwax | Aggort - heh, wow. |
| 23:55:04 | Aggort | yea |
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| 23:55:21 | killa909 | oh heres one feature im curious about |
| 23:55:26 | killa909 | what about album art? |
| 23:55:40 | killa909 | a lot of my mp3 files have album files attached to the id3 tags |
| 23:55:55 | stripwax | killa909 - ah, ok. the album art patch doesn't work with album files embedded in the id3 tags |
| 23:55:58 | stripwax | (as far as I know). |
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| 23:56:17 | stripwax | it expects to find .bmp files in each folder instead. works great for me (as that's the same setup I have anyway) |
| 23:56:45 | killa909 | yeah... too bad all my -ahem- scene releases contain jpgs |
| 23:57:00 | NHeal | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 23:57:00 | NJoin | Siku [0] (i=Siku@dsl-kpogw4-fe52df00-45.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 23:57:00 | NJoin | Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) |
| 23:57:14 | stripwax | killa909 - I'm sure there's a way to rip out the jpgs from the tags and store them as regular .bmps in the filesystem |
| 23:57:18 | killa909 | and as i said before, the tags have pics embedded in them |
| 23:57:28 | killa909 | i suppose there must be |
| 23:57:49 | stripwax | the albumart patch is pretty cool but i'd go for a pre-patched build if you want to try it out. patching builds yourself is a bit of an artform. |
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| 23:58:19 | killa909 | right.... i havent gotten to that level of nerdery yet |
| 23:58:23 | stripwax | heh |
| 23:58:36 | killa909 | no offense to all of you lurkers |
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