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| 00:05:59 | ootput | hi guys, i've noticed that (while not even playing music files) my ipod mini 1g with latest rockbox would slowly drain the battery. I arrived at this conclusion after leaving the ac plugged in, and leaving the ipod alone. I noticed that after a while, the screen would light up on it's own (indicating recharging status) |
| 00:06:30 | ootput | are the default rockbox settings to not do any powersaving? |
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| 00:07:42 | Soap | is the ipod "turned off" when this happens? |
| 00:09:19 | ootput | i'd turn it off, but while connected to ac, it'd turn on by itself |
| 00:09:46 | ootput | rockbox would load up |
| 00:11:44 | sharpe | yeah, stuff like that happens. |
| 00:11:54 | Soap | yea, rockbox can't tell your AC connection from a USB connection. |
| 00:12:04 | Mikachu | the ipod is hardwired to turn on when you plug in power |
| 00:12:26 | Soap | boot rockbox, and press menu while inserting the power cable. |
| 00:12:48 | Mikachu | i think the best way to leave it is in apple os |
| 00:12:50 | sharpe | or boot into diskmode, and charge from there. |
| 00:13:10 | Soap | either of the three work, my way is slowest to charge, Mikachu's is fastest. |
| 00:13:28 | Mikachu | rockbox would never slow the speed to khz level while charging |
| 00:13:28 | ootput | alright |
| 00:13:31 | sharpe | and my way works, no matter what. |
| 00:13:34 | sharpe | :) |
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| 00:27:30 | dionoea | linuxstb_: are you related to someone neamed "steve chapman" ? |
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| 00:30:53 | Hideo_Kuze | woops who broke the cvs build |
| 00:31:18 | * | Mikachu points a finger towards finland |
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| 00:35:32 | scottder | In the end, isn't it always Finland |
| 00:35:33 | scottder | :) |
| 00:35:40 | ootput | stevechapman the man does not exist |
| 00:35:49 | dionoea | oh |
| 00:36:32 | dionoea | people must've mistaken on the article i was reading |
| 00:36:53 | Snyper | Well, got a little info from Wolfon about the 8758.... |
| 00:37:05 | Snyper | *wolfson |
| 00:37:17 | Snyper | unfortunatly the info about the EQ is the same... |
| 00:37:46 | Snyper | but they said we're using the wrong data sheet, but they cant give us the one for the 8758, but said we should use the 8958... |
| 00:38:20 | Snyper | err 8978 |
| 00:39:22 | dionoea | which is the same ? |
| 00:40:44 | Snyper | the datasheet for the 8978 shows the same usage for the EQ that I already implemented, but the peak filters don't work... |
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| 00:43:16 | rotator | ack, red builds! |
| 00:44:28 | rotator | Slasheri: forgot to commit lang file changes? |
| 00:49:33 | ootput | rockbox reports different battery levels than ipod? |
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| 00:58:05 | dionoea | does anyone know of an "ipod dock with lineout/svideo/infrared dissection" page ? |
| 00:58:17 | dionoea | or hasn't that been done yet ? |
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| 01:16:46 | dionoea | yeah ! i finally understood how to break the dock up |
| 01:17:13 | Mikachu | big hammer? |
| 01:17:55 | dionoea | no ... but it was clipped in a manner that made it really hard to unclip |
| 01:18:11 | dionoea | i could've tried the hammer though :) |
| 01:24:19 | dionoea | hum ... any idea why the doc has a WM8758AG chip ? isn't that the audio codec or something ? |
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| 01:25:58 | dionoea | *dock |
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| 01:26:58 | dionoea | hum ... looks like they also planed place to solder some chip |
| 01:43:12 | Mikachu | maybe someone should revert the latest commit until slasheri gets back? |
| 01:43:20 | Mikachu | or there won't be any bleeding edge builds available for download |
| 01:45:05 | rotator | might be a good idea, it doesn't look like slasheri's around |
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| 01:45:50 | Soap | I'm actually suprised the apple dock is anything more than a passive connector |
| 01:46:00 | dionoea | i'll upload pics in 30 secs |
| 01:46:08 | dionoea | looks like it also has a video processing chip |
| 01:46:14 | Soap | Oh, I believe you, don't take me the wrong way. |
| 01:46:21 | dionoea | (well ... a big chip next to the S video connector) |
| 01:46:32 | Soap | to split to S-video from composite? |
| 01:47:00 | dionoea | maybe |
| 01:48:04 | Soap | I don't have any good reason to assume the dock connector only has composite, outside the fact that's what is on the headphone jack. |
| 01:49:02 | linuxstb | Which specific dock are you disassembling? Aren't there 100s of different docks available? |
| 01:49:11 | dionoea | standard apple doc |
| 01:49:12 | dionoea | k |
| 01:49:35 | dionoea | with line out / s video out / infra red port / ipod connector port |
| 01:52:25 | linuxstb | The new Universal Dock? |
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| 01:52:37 | dionoea | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA045G/A this one |
| 01:52:40 | dionoea | yes |
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| 01:53:27 | dionoea | dionoea.chewa.net/photos/ipod_dock_internals_2006-08-27_01-50-00/">http://dionoea.chewa.net/photos/ipod_dock_internals_2006-08-27_01-50-00/ |
| 01:53:43 | * | Mikachu likes putting the ipod on his universal table and attaching the usb cable instead |
| 01:54:04 | dionoea | hehe |
| 01:54:37 | dionoea | i'd like to find a way to use that infra red port (without the apple remote if possible) |
| 01:56:41 | Soap | I wonder if the dock translates the IR signals to commands, or if it passes it raw up the serial connection. |
| 01:56:54 | dionoea | i wonder exactly the same thing :) |
| 01:57:00 | dionoea | raw would be neat |
| 01:57:44 | Soap | either way, we don't know enough about the serial part of the dock connector yet to read "commands" do we? |
| 01:58:11 | dionoea | well if we could have the raw infra red signal we could read commands from any remote control i guess |
| 01:58:42 | Soap | though, I think I see where you are comming from, if it sent it raw you could A-make your own IR adapter more easily, and B - totally create a command set custom to rockbox once serial was working. |
| 01:59:11 | * | Soap dreams of a 50 button remote for controlling rockbox. |
| 01:59:15 | dionoea | :D |
| 01:59:18 | linuxstb | The WM8758 in the dock is very odd though... |
| 01:59:27 | dionoea | or an infra red keyboard |
| 01:59:52 | dionoea | linuxstb: the other "big" chip too. I didn't find it on google |
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| 02:07:37 | dionoea | i'm wondering what i learned about the infrared controler by taking that apart.... almost nothing i guess. (except maybe that it might be possible to get raw IR data since there doesn't seem to be any chip in between the IR receiver and the connector) |
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| 02:18:22 | infamis | In function `retrieve_entries': |
| 02:18:24 | infamis | tagtree.c:840: error: `LANG_INCREASE_DIR_BUFFER' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:18:28 | infamis | x5 normal build |
| 02:19:10 | dionoea | i think that this is a know problem introduced by Slasheri's recent commit(s) |
| 02:20:11 | infamis | just making sure |
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| 02:22:58 | infamis | all the fix takes is just to add a <phrase> section to the respective lang file, so just making sure it was known |
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| 02:46:29 | infamis | ahh...keep forgetting most of you are in europe |
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| 02:52:07 | whorse | hello all. Can i ask 2 questions about rockbox i cant find anywhere? |
| 02:52:28 | infamis | you got 1 question left ;) |
| 02:52:35 | whorse | lol |
| 02:52:41 | whorse | then i ll combine them |
| 02:52:44 | whorse | :P |
| 02:53:06 | whorse | well, the problem is i tried to run the doom plugin without putting any wads in there. so its stuck on a black screen doing nothing |
| 02:53:15 | whorse | i want it to go to the menu again |
| 02:53:39 | infamis | you can't turn it off? |
| 02:53:52 | infamis | the whole device, that is |
| 02:53:53 | whorse | holding play button? |
| 02:54:04 | Febs | Try Menu+Select |
| 02:54:08 | infamis | power button? |
| 02:54:21 | infamis | oh, iPod? |
| 02:54:40 | whorse | well, holding down select and menu reset my ipod |
| 02:54:47 | Febs | Well, there you go. |
| 02:55:07 | whorse | that was great! :) Also, the second question. Isnt mp3 file support built in? |
| 02:55:29 | Febs | Yes. |
| 02:55:36 | Febs | Why? |
| 02:55:44 | Febs | Wait, let me guess ... you can't see any files. |
| 02:55:54 | whorse | no no |
| 02:56:10 | infamis | codec failure? |
| 02:56:14 | whorse | i was trying to playback some files, but it just outputted "???" at the codec |
| 02:56:20 | whorse | but now it restarted it works |
| 02:56:23 | whorse | strange |
| 02:57:33 | whorse | now it reports mp3 codec and the bitrate. Just before i ran doom it said "???" |
| 02:57:54 | Febs | Had you been using other plugins? |
| 02:57:55 | infamis | was it still playing the file while displaying '???' |
| 02:58:10 | whorse | it just didnt play the file at all |
| 02:58:23 | whorse | it loaded the file, but it just didnt find the codec |
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| 02:58:40 | whorse | and i really didnt do anything more than restart it |
| 02:59:01 | infamis | did you see any id3 info? |
| 02:59:25 | whorse | hmm i think i did |
| 02:59:37 | whorse | you see filenames & id3 are the same in this file |
| 02:59:44 | whorse | i think i did |
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| 03:00:17 | infamis | I think the ??? is the wps' way of saying the file hasn't been loaded yet (especially if it showed that in the codec field) |
| 03:01:13 | whorse | anyway, as long as it works i am ok with it. thanks anyway! I gotta try rockbox. This is the first time i ll listen to something using it |
| 03:01:14 | whorse | :) |
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| 03:02:21 | infamis | have fun...[salesman voice] "Impress all your friends using the pitch control"...I know I do! |
| 03:02:34 | whorse | hahaha |
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| 03:02:47 | whorse | thank you everyone, see ya lata |
| 03:03:16 | infamis | yup |
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| 03:07:28 | Febs | Setting the volume on the orginal iPod firmware sucks. |
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| 03:07:45 | Febs | How much of "a blue line" is 0dB?! |
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| 03:08:01 | Mikachu | max is probably -6 :) |
| 03:09:04 | Soap | nah, if my headphone-jack FM transmitter is any indication the max OF output is greater than 0 |
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| 03:09:16 | Soap | it clips bad at max volume. |
| 03:09:22 | Febs | The iPod Video max is +6dB. |
| 03:09:37 | Febs | The problem is that I am trying to compare 0dB on the RB firmware to an equivalent on the Apple. |
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| 03:09:57 | Soap | need a dB meter. |
| 03:10:02 | Soap | ;) |
| 03:11:00 | Febs | That would be great if I were comparing dB SPL. :) |
| 03:11:05 | Febs | Which I'm not. |
| 03:11:09 | Febs | I think I got it. |
| 03:11:19 | Febs | Just what I suspected. |
| 03:11:35 | Febs | This should put the Apple FW sounds better than Rockbox debates to bed. |
| 03:12:14 | Febs | Results are identical. |
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| 03:14:57 | Febs | Frequency response of apple firmware: Febs/Rockbox/apple_freq_res.png">http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/apple_freq_res.png |
| 03:15:20 | Febs | Frequency response of Rockbox: Febs/Rockbox/rockbox_freq_res.png">http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/rockbox_freq_res.png |
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| 03:15:52 | webguest09 | Can anyone here answer a coding question? |
| 03:15:55 | Febs | These are both on an iPod Video, volume at 0 dB in RB, as close as I could match 0 dB in the Apple fw, no EQs. |
| 03:18:01 | webguest09 | Well, what C file is the one that evaluates WPS tags? |
| 03:19:07 | Mikachu | Febs: and this should tell us something? :) |
| 03:19:43 | Febs | webguest09: I'm no coder, but try /apps/gui/gwps.c |
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| 03:20:43 | Febs | Mikachu: I wonder what will happen if I encode the RMAA test files to MP3 and try the test. |
| 03:21:22 | Febs | I wonder if RMAA will even recognize the test signals after they've gone through lossy encoding. |
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| 03:21:23 | Mikachu | Febs: i can see there is a difference but why would the rockbox one be better? |
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| 03:22:38 | webguest09 | Febs: Close! Gwps-common.c |
| 03:22:41 | webguest09 | Thanks! |
| 03:23:12 | Noah0504 | If I organize my music by tags, will Rockbox sort disc numbers too? If I have a multiple disc album will the songs from disc one show before disc two? |
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| 03:23:44 | Febs | Mikachu, I don't see any difference really other than a very small offset that is probably due to different volume levels. |
| 03:24:06 | Mikachu | Febs: ah you just wanted to say they are the same |
| 03:25:03 | Febs | :) If there is a difference, it's somewhere in the order of .05 dB. |
| 03:25:29 | Febs | Of course, that probably wouldn't stop some of the audiophile types from claiming they could hear it. |
| 03:26:04 | Mikachu | they are funny |
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| 03:40:09 | * | jhMikeS thinks the radio status must be available to powermgtmt.c so the auto shutdown can work the same for radio as for playback but radio_status will have to move to fmradio.c* or power.c. Any preference? :) |
| 03:40:14 | Febs | More RMA results: |
| 03:40:47 | Febs | Apple FW, dynamic range: Febs/Rockbox/apple_dynamic_range.png">http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/apple_dynamic_range.png |
| 03:41:07 | Febs | Rockbox, dynamic range: Febs/Rockbox/rb_dynamic_range.png">http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/rb_dynamic_range.png |
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| 03:41:42 | Febs | Rockbox frequency response, Lame 3.97b2 -V2 MP3: Febs/Rockbox/rockbox_mp3freqres.png">http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/rockbox_mp3freqres.png |
| 03:42:10 | Febs | Apple frequency response, same file: Febs/Rockbox/apple-mp3freqres.png">http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/apple-mp3freqres.png |
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| 03:54:59 | linuxstb_ | Febs: Not much difference with the last pair :) |
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| 04:00:27 | Febs | linuxstb_: Nope. In fact, I went back to check to make sure that I didn't open up the same graph twice. |
| 04:00:55 | linuxstb_ | There is a _tiny_ difference if you look close enough. |
| 04:01:36 | Soap | the second one appears to be slightly warmer with a barely perceptable wider soundstage and increased dynamics. |
| 04:02:08 | linuxstb_ | That will be the wooden clickwheel Febs has installed. |
| 04:02:16 | Febs | Ah, yes, there is more "air" around the sine wave and the bass is somewhat crisper with faster decay. |
| 04:02:29 | Febs | linuxstb_: LOL |
| 04:03:22 | * | linuxstb_ thinks we're not taking this seriously... |
| 04:03:32 | rotator | linuxstb_: you mean like this? ;) |
| 04:03:36 | rotator | http://www.ipoditude.com/archives/woodskin.jpg |
| 04:04:02 | Febs | Hey, linuxstb_, if you can't hear the difference, man, then your headphones just aren't resolving enough. |
| 04:04:23 | Febs | :) |
| 04:06:18 | Febs | If I can find my Pocket Dock, I'll do the same test with the line out. It will be interesting to see how it compare to the headphone out. |
| 04:06:42 | BigMac | wow that woodskin is amazing |
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| 04:07:02 | BigMac | is their a guide on how to do it? |
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| 04:07:41 | rotator | BigMac: http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/07/05/wood_ipod_zapwizard/1.html |
| 04:07:54 | rotator | step-by-step with pictures! |
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| 04:10:30 | BigMac | thanks now i have something to do before school:-) |
| 04:11:04 | rotator | sure, it looks easy :p |
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| 04:19:45 | BigMac | ah can't do it |
| 04:19:45 | BigMac | well probably not |
| 04:19:57 | BigMac | the local hardware store doesn't carry that quality of wood |
| 04:21:01 | Soap | A - oak would work better in all ways but appearance. B - any decent-sized town has a woodworker's supply store or two. |
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| 05:09:34 | Jungti1234 | hi all |
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| 05:30:01 | jhMikeS | hey, who messed up? I see red in the build table! |
| 05:31:39 | Jungti1234 | yes.. red |
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| 05:40:08 | jhMikeS | fixed |
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| 05:56:45 | billytwowilly | I heard there was some work on porting rockbox to the sansa sandisk flash players. You guys wouldn't happen to know where the sansa developers hang out would you? |
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| 05:57:09 | billytwowilly | pm if you do. |
| 05:57:11 | billytwowilly | thanks |
| 05:57:16 | Febs | Presumably you mean the Rockbox developers working on sansa? |
| 05:57:56 | Febs | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.0 |
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| 05:58:35 | jhMikeS | still an error for the FM "region FLASH is full". All others green though. |
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| 06:09:34 | Crackerizer | hello, what is wps stand for? |
| 06:09:42 | scorche | while playing screen |
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| 06:11:42 | Crackerizer | thanks you scorche. |
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| 06:13:07 | sharpe | scorche: always there to help, eh? |
| 06:13:27 | scorche | sharpe: i havent been since last night... |
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| 06:13:38 | sharpe | scorche: i wouldn't know? |
| 06:13:57 | scorche | then why even say anything? |
| 06:14:08 | sharpe | i couldn't tell you. |
| 06:14:36 | scorche | might want to have that checked out... |
| 06:14:48 | sharpe | thanks for the advice. |
| 06:14:55 | billytwowilly | Febs: I mean the sandisk developers working on the sansa;) |
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| 06:18:26 | Crackerizer | what platform with which rockbox is 100% (or almost) working? |
| 06:18:39 | billytwowilly | that's on the webpage.. |
| 06:19:16 | billytwowilly | the archos jukebox 6000;) and some iriver models as well as most ipods I believe. go look at the documentation, then click manuals and you will see manuals for all models. |
| 06:19:48 | scorche | Crackerizer: the only devices that rockbox has been officially released on are the archos jukeboxes and recorders....but that doesnt mean that other devices are stable |
| 06:20:01 | billytwowilly | aren't. |
| 06:20:05 | scorche | yeah... |
| 06:20:39 | billytwowilly | a more interesting question is this: is anyone working on making rockbox prettier on platforms that support prettier? ie. latest ipods, etc? |
| 06:21:51 | sharpe | prettier? |
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| 06:22:38 | billytwowilly | yah. like go play with an ipod video, nano, sansa e200 series, etc. The look appealing when you use them. rockbox looks grainy and has no eye candy. |
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| 06:22:56 | billytwowilly | atleast not that I can tell from the screenshots. |
| 06:23:44 | Febs | billytwowilly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WpsGallery |
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| 06:24:35 | Crackerizer | billywowilly: for 3g, prettier is not the main point. :) |
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| 06:25:08 | billytwowilly | holy crap. |
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| 06:25:22 | billytwowilly | you should use those screenshots in the nano manual;) |
| 06:25:28 | billytwowilly | nice. very nice indeed. |
| 06:25:39 | Febs | Why? |
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| 06:25:55 | Febs | Those screen shots are not the default. |
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| 06:26:04 | billytwowilly | because they are beautiful. the ones in there look like rockbox did running on my archos jukebox 6000... |
| 06:26:15 | billytwowilly | make them the default;) |
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| 06:26:31 | Febs | No. |
| 06:27:12 | billytwowilly | damn though. this messes everything up... now I have to reconsider the ipod nano for my ipod mini replacement... |
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| 06:27:20 | billytwowilly | nice though. |
| 06:27:34 | Crackerizer | do other players have the menu-delay problem like 3g? |
| 06:28:01 | billytwowilly | menu delay problems? |
| 06:28:09 | Crackerizer | because i've spent 3 days looking at the sources. it's very well coded. |
| 06:28:21 | billytwowilly | I haven't noticed anything on my mini. the audio book support is crap though, which is why i'm upgrading. |
| 06:28:32 | billytwowilly | oh. you mean with rockbox. |
| 06:28:38 | Crackerizer | yes, |
| 06:28:54 | billytwowilly | I haven't used rockbox on anything other than an archos jukebox 6000 and that was probably 2 years ago. |
| 06:29:05 | billytwowilly | atleast a year anyway. |
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| 06:29:30 | Crackerizer | then what's happen? |
| 06:29:44 | billytwowilly | ? |
| 06:30:00 | billytwowilly | I've been using the default apple firmware on the mini... |
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| 06:30:26 | billytwowilly | because I was under the impression rockbox still looked like it did when it was running on my archos jukebox 6000.... |
| 06:30:46 | Crackerizer | things changed. :) |
| 06:30:52 | Febs | Are looks so important on the mini? |
| 06:31:41 | billytwowilly | not overly. |
| 06:31:53 | Febs | Then why not run Rockbox? |
| 06:31:56 | billytwowilly | but the screen shots in the manual hurt my eyes so I didn't try it. |
| 06:32:08 | billytwowilly | I will probably give it a try now. |
| 06:32:16 | Febs | Jesus, those screenshots really bother you don't they? |
| 06:32:32 | billytwowilly | not overly, they just give the wrong impression. |
| 06:32:44 | BigMac | can someone please link me to the rasher site with the font archive? ive looked on the site and can't find it |
| 06:32:49 | billytwowilly | when I got the mini the improvement in the screen and looks was a big deal to me over the jukebox. |
| 06:32:57 | billytwowilly | so I didn't really want to lose that. |
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| 06:33:20 | Febs | Did you happen to get to the chapter in the manual about the Custom WPS? |
| 06:33:40 | billytwowilly | you guys should start a company around rockbox and sell the firmware to device developers. damn.. portalplayer makes a crapload of money off of stuff like this. |
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| 06:34:10 | billytwowilly | I didn't get there no, I used rockbox extensively with the jukebox, I just looked for screen shots. to see what has happened with the prettiness of it. |
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| 06:34:31 | scorche | billytwowilly: and how exactly would one distribute the "wealth"?....this is an open source project |
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| 06:35:19 | billytwowilly | depends how you developed it. If you were smart and had all the people that contributed just a bit sign over copyright to the core devels then you could dual licence like troll tech does. |
| 06:35:42 | scorche | ugh...nvm |
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| 06:35:49 | billytwowilly | or if you didn't, then you can sell your expertise in coding rockbox to work on their device and contribute a snazzy gui for it. |
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| 06:36:09 | Febs | billytwowilly, Rockbox is distributed under the GPL. |
| 06:36:16 | Febs | The GPL does not permit what you suggest. |
| 06:36:24 | billytwowilly | I am intimately familar with the GPL. |
| 06:36:35 | Febs | And if it did, I doubt that many people would give their time to this project. |
| 06:36:57 | billytwowilly | and with the dual licence thing the GPL does not apply if you own the copyright. under the second, it is a moot point, since you'll have the code available. |
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| 06:39:01 | billytwowilly | and as to how to distribute the wealth. start a rockbox foundation and have the lion's share of the returns go there. |
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| 06:43:56 | BigMac | can someone link me to the rasher font database |
| 06:44:46 | Febs | 10 seconds on Google: rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/misc/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/misc/ |
| 06:45:19 | BigMac | i was looking on the site like i'm always told to |
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| 06:45:22 | RoC_MM | I think |
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| 06:45:49 | RoC_MM | Open-source does not mean you are not selling it. It merely means the source is available to customers. |
| 06:46:07 | RoC_MM | Free software means the software respects your Freedoms, and you are Free to do many things with it. |
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| 06:46:21 | RoC_MM | Rockbox is Free software, and thus by inclusion, also open-source. |
| 06:46:49 | BigMac | alright i'll be back going to work on getting my artist badge |
| 06:46:55 | scorche | BigMac: there is also something called common sense ;) |
| 06:47:27 | Febs | BigMac: six second search on the forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6008.0 |
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| 06:51:57 | BigMac | yah and common sense would lead you to believe it would be in the fonts section |
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| 06:54:25 | scorche | BigMac: no...common sense is to use tools available to you in order to find out for yourself |
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| 07:00:44 | Snyper | uhhhh the wiki is down.... |
| 07:01:48 | scorche | Snyper: not for me |
| 07:01:53 | Crackerizer | on 3g, why some menus are darker than the other. |
| 07:03:01 | Snyper | I am getting an internal server error |
| 07:03:17 | scorche | Snyper: well, like i said...it works fine for me |
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| 07:03:36 | Snyper | copy and paste... |
| 07:03:37 | Snyper | Server error! |
| 07:03:37 | Snyper | The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. |
| 07:03:37 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Snyper |
| 07:03:37 | Snyper | Error message: |
| 07:03:37 | Snyper | Premature end of script headers: view |
| 07:03:37 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 07:03:37 | Snyper | If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. |
| 07:03:39 | Snyper | Error 500 |
| 07:03:41 | Snyper | www.rockbox.org |
| 07:03:43 | Snyper | Sun Aug 27 07:03:15 2006 |
| 07:03:45 | Snyper | Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/4.4.2-1.1 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8b |
| 07:04:13 | Febs | Click the "documentation" link. |
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| 07:04:29 | Snyper | hmmmm |
| 07:04:35 | Snyper | odd works under opera |
| 07:04:38 | Crackerizer | is that because the cpu is loaded or rockbox just sets the constrast? |
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| 07:05:56 | BigMac | that happes to me sometimes |
| 07:06:06 | BigMac | i usually flush my dns cahce then it works |
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| 08:06:17 | jhMikeS | Anyone interested in codec recording goto FS #2939. It should be ready for CVS but I'd like a variety of devices checked before commit to be sure. I'll announce again tommorrow. |
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| 08:08:34 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: if the patch is ready to go and u want it tested on h300 i can do that now for ya |
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| 08:10:52 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: That would be great. Thanks |
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| 08:11:20 | jhMikeS | What's with San^3? Too bad Bagder isn't here to do the boot. |
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| 08:12:17 | BigMac | jhMikeS: what does your patch do? |
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| 08:12:55 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: the patch in the last comment is all thats needed? |
| 08:12:58 | sharpe | jhMikeS: just a guess, but he's having connection problems. |
| 08:13:19 | jhMikeS | BigMac: It was originall ahellmann's patch but it was rotted so it's up to date now with most features. |
| 08:13:28 | jhMikeS | It adds FM Radio and compression. |
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| 08:13:36 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Yes...the very last one |
| 08:14:10 | BigMac | oh so that wouldn't work on a 5g huh |
| 08:14:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5Gs don't currently have recording in Rockbox... |
| 08:14:39 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: No SWCODEC for ipods yet, that's an ipod right? |
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| 08:14:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact really it's only useful for H100, H300, and X5 right now. |
| 08:14:49 | jhMikeS | I mean BigMac |
| 08:15:02 | BigMac | yah |
| 08:15:14 | BigMac | alright then im off to bed |
| 08:15:19 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: well, they have some limited line-in recording, don't they? |
| 08:15:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Not in Rockbox yet. |
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| 08:15:43 | BigMac | Paul_The_Nerd:who would i talk to about getting a theme added to the wps gallery |
| 08:15:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe linuxstb_ has committed any of his recording work, has he? |
| 08:15:46 | sharpe | i thought linuxstb had gotten something... |
| 08:15:46 | jhMikeS | I'd like it tested on hw codec because there was some code rearrangement |
| 08:16:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: The WPSGallery is a wiki page. You add it yourself. |
| 08:16:08 | BigMac | oh ok |
| 08:16:09 | sharpe | ah. you're talking about committed works, i was just talking in general. |
| 08:16:13 | BigMac | and its not mods right |
| 08:16:20 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: He said it suffered bit rot and was too preliminary yet |
| 08:16:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | "mods"? |
| 08:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Figured. |
| 08:16:27 | BigMac | modifications |
| 08:16:38 | BigMac | like changing just the background |
| 08:16:54 | jhMikeS | The ones that tried it said the patch really worked well |
| 08:17:33 | jhMikeS | I fixed the issues ahellmann mentioned |
| 08:18:13 | BigMac | well i should finish my wps before thursday |
| 08:18:29 | JdGordon | compiling... |
| 08:18:36 | BigMac | i think it is a wps that has never been done before |
| 08:18:48 | BigMac | well the style atleast |
| 08:19:46 | sharpe | BigMac: Does it not have text or images? I doubt that's been done before. |
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| 08:19:58 | BigMac | and if i put it in the gallery then i get an artist tag |
| 08:20:04 | BigMac | its hand drawn |
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| 08:20:21 | BigMac | i'm going to call it sketchpad |
| 08:20:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: FULL UPDATE! :) Someone just tried dropping in the rockbox.iriver yesterday and surpise it didn't work! :D |
| 08:20:39 | jhMikeS | Your settings will reset too |
| 08:20:44 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: hehe.. ye i did make bin and then realiesed that was stupid.. so doing full make |
| 08:21:00 | jhMikeS | That won't make the codecs :) |
| 08:21:01 | JdGordon | problem tho.. you didnt touch libtremor did you? |
| 08:21:06 | jhMikeS | no |
| 08:21:16 | JdGordon | or vorbis? |
| 08:21:21 | jhMikeS | no |
| 08:21:30 | JdGordon | then my cross compiler is screwed :'( |
| 08:21:34 | BigMac | so anyone, if i enter my wps into the gallery i auto get an artist tag |
| 08:21:37 | JdGordon | LD vorbis.elf |
| 08:21:37 | JdGordon | /usr/local/m68k-elf/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/4.0.3/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_IRAM is full (/home/jonno/rockbox/rockbox/h300/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf section .ibss) |
| 08:21:37 | JdGordon | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 08:21:37 | JdGordon | make[2]: *** [/home/jonno/rockbox/rockbox/h300/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf] Error 1 |
| 08:21:37 | JdGordon | make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 |
| 08:21:39 | jhMikeS | Three new compression codecs |
| 08:21:39 | JdGordon | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 08:22:12 | jhMikeS | Try a clean build? |
| 08:22:26 | JdGordon | it is a clean build... |
| 08:22:45 | JdGordon | oh, i get ya |
| 08:22:55 | jhMikeS | I did an H300 build myself and got no errors |
| 08:23:07 | JdGordon | ye, i tinhk my gcc is fucked |
| 08:23:21 | JdGordon | if you can email the files i can test it.. |
| 08:23:38 | jhMikeS | Sure |
| 08:24:18 | JdGordon | ye, same problem with clean sources... gcc needs recompiling me thinks |
| 08:29:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: There is no "automatic." I decide who gets artist tags. |
| 08:30:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've even explained exactly what must be true for someone to get one. |
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| 08:32:13 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, ruin his dreams... :D |
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| 08:37:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Well, I never said he can't have one. Just that there are rules to it. |
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| 08:38:16 | sharpe | true, but he no longer has hopes for an automatically recieved artist tag... |
| 08:38:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
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| 09:11:57 | JdGordon | bloody hell converting the menu system is boring :p |
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| 09:23:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Converting it to what? |
| 09:24:56 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Things like timeouts should stay as they were: a single value that changes. I'm not fond of have a list of 30 numbers show up for things like brighness. |
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| 09:26:25 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: reworking the menu system to amek it easier to add and move options around.. and hopefulyl shirnk the size a bit |
| 09:26:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: The settings stuff and their arrays have to be consolidated big time IMO |
| 09:27:23 | JdGordon | i have a thread in the dev mailing list which isnt getting much attention that shows qwhat im doing |
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| 09:28:04 | jhMikeS | I'll give a peek... |
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| 09:29:05 | Crackerizer | JdGordon: are you going to recode the menu system?? |
| 09:29:20 | JdGordon | in the process of.. |
| 09:29:29 | JdGordon | for the moent im not touchthe order |
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| 09:32:25 | jhMikeS | menus should be in a directory heirarchy of folders and c files perhaps representing the RB heirarchy |
| 09:32:33 | jhMikeS | ?? |
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| 09:33:05 | JdGordon | 100% agree |
| 09:33:26 | JdGordon | or at least not all mashed together in settings_menu.c like it is now |
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| 09:33:42 | jhMikeS | How do you have things like the backlight timeouts and it's value array kept together so you only have to look in one place to see all related data? |
| 09:33:45 | jhMikeS | and functions |
| 09:34:16 | JdGordon | something like this.... |
| 09:34:18 | jhMikeS | All setting should have #defined mins, maxs, and defaults too. No hardcoded numbers |
| 09:34:26 | JdGordon | static bool sort_file(void) |
| 09:34:26 | JdGordon | { |
| 09:34:26 | JdGordon | int oldval = global_settings.sort_file; |
| 09:34:26 | JdGordon | bool ret; |
| 09:34:26 | JdGordon | static const struct opt_items names[] = { |
| 09:34:27 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 09:34:27 | JdGordon | { STR(LANG_SORT_ALPHA) }, |
| 09:34:29 | JdGordon | { STR(LANG_SORT_DATE) }, |
| 09:34:31 | JdGordon | { STR(LANG_SORT_DATE_REVERSE) }, |
| 09:34:33 | JdGordon | { STR(LANG_SORT_TYPE) } |
| 09:34:35 | JdGordon | }; |
| 09:34:37 | JdGordon | ret = set_option( str(LANG_SORT_FILE), &global_settings.sort_file, INT, |
| 09:34:39 | JdGordon | names, 4, NULL ); |
| 09:34:41 | JdGordon | if (global_settings.sort_file != oldval) |
| 09:34:43 | JdGordon | reload_directory(); /* force reload if this has changed */ |
| 09:34:45 | JdGordon | return ret; |
| 09:34:47 | JdGordon | } |
| 09:34:49 | JdGordon | MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL(sort_file_item, ID2P(LANG_SORT_FILE), sort_file); |
| 09:34:53 | JdGordon | and then add sort_fiule_item to any menu you want |
| 09:34:57 | JdGordon | although, thats a bad example |
| 09:35:25 | jhMikeS | What about the config block stuff? |
| 09:36:19 | JdGordon | ideally it would all be merged.. but not likely.. |
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| 09:36:33 | chendo | uh |
| 09:36:52 | jhMikeS | { STR(...), MIN, MAX, DEF, bits, structure member, name, "on,off...", { -1, 0, 5, 10, 15 } } |
| 09:37:43 | jhMikeS | I consolidated a bunch of audio format data into one structure |
| 09:37:54 | amiconn | The bits stuff will go when switching to .cfg files |
| 09:38:05 | jhMikeS | and only store relative paths for codecs... |
| 09:38:17 | jhMikeS | Why did they ever do the sector thing? |
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| 09:38:46 | amiconn | (1) KISS (2) (real reason) Settings were stored before the file system had write support |
| 09:39:07 | jhMikeS | ahh |
| 09:39:24 | amiconn | The sector has some advantages (which are nowadays outweighted by the disadvantages) |
| 09:39:34 | jhMikeS | KISS turned in complication as is common in life |
| 09:39:35 | amiconn | - fast saving |
| 09:40:18 | Crackerizer | chendo: thank you. |
| 09:40:19 | Crackerizer | :) |
| 09:40:28 | amiconn | - small size, so the same format can be shared with small non-disk settings storage devices |
| 09:40:37 | Crackerizer | i'm running on a virtual machine. |
| 09:40:39 | jhMikeS | oh why not put them in flash? Wasting all that memory on x5 |
| 09:40:40 | chendo | ;o |
| 09:40:44 | chendo | still |
| 09:40:45 | amiconn | (read: the CMOS RAM in the archos recorders' RTC) |
| 09:40:52 | chendo | you need to secure your modem ;p |
| 09:41:24 | amiconn | 44 bytes |
| 09:41:35 | Crackerizer | you did hack into my system, didnt you? -_-' :) |
| 09:41:46 | jhMikeS | It's a pain to add new settings boy |
| 09:41:50 | chendo | i wouldn't call it hacking ;p |
| 09:41:55 | chendo | but i'm looking at your modem configuration page |
| 09:41:59 | chendo | so yeah, you might want to secure it;p |
| 09:42:34 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ?? |
| 09:42:44 | Crackerizer | :0 |
| 09:42:46 | amiconn | Imho adding new settings is quite simple |
| 09:42:55 | Crackerizer | I'm working at at. |
| 09:42:58 | Crackerizer | it |
| 09:43:05 | chendo | k |
| 09:43:13 | amiconn | The only thing the current settings system is clearly lacking is clearly defined boundaries |
| 09:43:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it involes too many places and files for something imo |
| 09:43:25 | sharpe | night. |
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| 09:43:45 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: if you only want to add a setting that cant be changed by menus its simple... |
| 09:43:50 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's part of it...it's just one huge lump now |
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| 09:44:32 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: But most seem to involve the user with menus |
| 09:44:43 | JdGordon | thats what im working on :p |
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| 09:44:51 | amiconn | Using a .cfg file for all settings and only using the binary format for status info (in RTC for archos recorders, eeprom on irivers, and a small binary file where none of these special storages exist) is a goal |
| 09:44:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Yeah it should hardly be any more difficult |
| 09:45:12 | amiconn | An important thing is to keep the number of disk spinups down |
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| 09:45:57 | amiconn | The current settings system delays the saving of the config sector until the next spinup (triggered for other purposes, like loading tracks etc), or until shutdown |
| 09:46:12 | jhMikeS | Load what you have to have in RAM in RAM...as I supposed it attempted already but there really is just one big settings structure anyway. just load it once. |
| 09:46:19 | amiconn | This is simple since it's a single sector, the ATA driver has a buffer for it |
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| 09:46:32 | amiconn | The status info changes quite often |
| 09:47:14 | Crackerizer | chendo: could you try that again? |
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| 09:47:42 | jhMikeS | All parts of the system should have access to the settings directly instead of caching it locally in a static var unless abolutely nescessary. |
| 09:47:45 | chendo | Crackerizer, better now, but it's best to block the ports entirely |
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| 09:48:04 | amiconn | With a .cfg file, the simple sector buffering method is no longer possible, so we need a way to register functions to be executed at spinup (or preferably, before spindown, after the action originally triggering the spinup has been executed) |
| 09:48:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: application code can access global settings directly. Firmware code must not do this |
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| 09:49:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I find it annoying |
| 09:49:27 | jhMikeS | For what MUST it not? |
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| 09:50:44 | jhMikeS | There seems no be no shortage of code that would not be hurt...the not absolutely nescessary cases. |
| 09:50:56 | jhMikeS | Backlight settings for instance. |
| 09:50:57 | amiconn | Well, firmware code is firmware code, and there should be a clean layer of abstraction |
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| 09:51:13 | Crackerizer | chendo: thank you. i never look at those settings because i don't think anyone will interest at me. but i've changed my mind now. :) |
| 09:51:41 | amiconn | Otherwise we'd end up in a mess before long. Don't forget that rockbox is truly multiplatform. |
| 09:51:48 | chendo | Crackerizer, heh :P |
| 09:51:59 | jhMikeS | It adds bulk and complication there's nothing really clean about it sometimes |
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| 09:52:30 | jhMikeS | If in backlight.c I access global settings for timeout, what's the deal? How bout layered settings then? |
| 09:53:40 | amiconn | The deal is e.g. that applications can now change the backlight operation for special purposes w/o touching the global settings |
| 09:54:20 | amiconn | I agree that the interaction is sometimes messy, e.g. in the backlight case |
| 09:55:40 | jhMikeS | I see what you did in mpegplayer if that's what you mean |
| 09:55:43 | amiconn | For backlight, both apps and firmware need to know the possible (special) values. backlight.c should take a simple timeout value in seconds (with the special cases 0 == always off and -1 == always on), and the rest handled in the app layer |
| 09:56:24 | jhMikeS | I hate all those parallel array lying around |
| 09:56:36 | amiconn | The -1 woul deven simplify things - if the timeout is interpreted as unsigned, -1 would be very very long, i.e. always on, without special measures |
| 09:57:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, but as I just explained, the parallel arrays aren't necessary, and do indeed complicate things |
| 09:57:10 | jhMikeS | could be...negative values could be used for special behavior |
| 09:57:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes indeed they do...you have to be careful to get everything updated in a load of files |
| 09:58:27 | amiconn | So I'd like the firmware layer to keep its settings functions, and not access global settings directly, but the mapping (i.e. special arrays) have to be removed from firmware/ |
| 09:58:42 | jhMikeS | Having it just take the timeout would get rid of that but that's how it's done now so I had to chime in and add the LCD Off values that way too :) |
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| 10:00:06 | * | JdGordon is 80% done with the lcd settings menus :' this is soo slow and tedious |
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| 10:01:12 | midkay | JdGordon: what are you doing to it>? |
| 10:01:28 | JdGordon | mutilating it! |
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| 10:01:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm just wonder about something where it doesn't make sense to have every value in the "continuum" |
| 10:02:07 | amiconn | ? |
| 10:02:24 | jhMikeS | Like sampling rate or what not. You know 22050,44100,48000 |
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| 10:02:45 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 10:02:53 | amiconn | Samplerate is a problematic example |
| 10:03:10 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that why I mention it. :) |
| 10:03:12 | amiconn | Not all platforms support all values, _and_ they aren't continuous |
| 10:03:39 | amiconn | There are 9 standard samplerates |
| 10:04:12 | amiconn | Archos supports all of them (and with tricks, even non-standard ones are possible for pcm when we integrate the codec) |
| 10:04:38 | amiconn | Iriver and X5 only support 11025 / 22050 / 44100 |
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| 10:05:15 | amiconn | The ipods will support the standard rates in varying combinations (depending on the audiocodec) |
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| 10:09:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: can't set the CPU to accept others? The codec will take more. |
| 10:09:15 | amiconn | nope |
| 10:09:18 | amiconn | No way. |
| 10:09:42 | amiconn | The coldfire i2s clock is locked to the xtal clock |
| 10:09:46 | jhMikeS | how's the pitch screen work? |
| 10:09:54 | amiconn | Software resampling |
| 10:10:39 | amiconn | (on swcodec of course) |
| 10:11:14 | amiconn | On archos, we use a very special trick for pitch - telling the MAS that it has a different xtal than it actually has |
| 10:12:07 | jhMikeS | What happens if I set the TLV320 to 48000? :) |
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| 10:12:54 | amiconn | It will produce somewhat distorted sound |
| 10:13:49 | jhMikeS | What manual section deals with this? |
| 10:13:54 | jhMikeS | for coldfire? |
| 10:14:14 | amiconn | Section 17 |
| 10:14:42 | amiconn | Btw, I recommend the MCF5249 manual, at least for looking up sections |
| 10:15:08 | amiconn | The bookmark list shows the actual section names instead of just "Section NN" |
| 10:15:25 | amiconn | The section numbering is identical with teh SCF5250 |
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| 10:25:04 | Crackerizer | Can rockbox turn ipod to sleep mode? |
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| 10:32:59 | Ribs | Crackerizer, Define "Sleep mode" |
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| 10:34:38 | Crackerizer | Ribs: it likes when you select "sleep" menu in original ipod firmware. |
| 10:34:52 | Ribs | yeah, I don't know what that does |
| 10:34:55 | Ribs | I never used that function |
| 10:35:12 | Ribs | rockbox will power off the ipod after a while or being idle, if that's what you mean |
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| 10:35:41 | Ribs | and when you turn it back on, you can just press play to make it load up the last song you were listening to |
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| 10:44:04 | Crackerizer | Ribs: yes, rockbox will turn an ipod of after a while. but can i turn it off when needed? |
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| 10:44:22 | Ribs | Crackerizer, yes. Press and hold the play button for a few seconds |
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| 10:44:28 | Ribs | then you'll see 'shutting down' come on the screen |
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| 10:49:34 | Crackerizer | ribs: that will restart the ipod, not turn it off. |
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| 10:49:42 | Ribs | Crackerizer, no, that turns it off |
| 10:49:56 | Ribs | I use my rockbox'd ipod every day... the stuff I use, I know how to use.. |
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| 10:58:02 | Crackerizer | ribs: what is your model? |
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| 10:58:16 | Ribs | Video |
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| 10:59:38 | Crackerizer | ribs: oh, yes, the ipod is turned off now. i tried to turn it off while changing. |
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| 10:59:50 | Crackerizer | thank you ribs. |
| 10:59:50 | Ribs | \o/ |
| 10:59:53 | Ribs | No problem. |
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| 11:00:11 | Crackerizer | ribs: do you have the menu-delay problem with your 5g? |
| 11:00:24 | Ribs | define "menu delay" |
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| 11:01:45 | Crackerizer | when you change the menu between items, it doesn change instantly. |
| 11:02:14 | Ribs | ah... Press "menu".. goto: General Settings -> Display -> LCD settings -> First Keypress Enables Backlight Only. turn that off |
| 11:02:39 | Ribs | then General Settings -> Playback -> Fade on Stop/Pause .. turn that off as well |
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| 11:08:04 | Crackerizer | ribs: does not work here but thanks anyway. |
| 11:08:11 | Crackerizer | mine is 3g. |
| 11:08:16 | Ribs | hrm |
| 11:08:23 | Ribs | maybe your 3g is just a bit too slow |
| 11:08:33 | Ribs | rockbox will improve it's ipod port in time, we just have to be patient |
| 11:08:41 | Crackerizer | :) |
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| 11:17:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The MCF5249 - SCF5250 manual section equivalence only holds up to section 18. Section 19 of SCF5250.pdf describes the internal boot rom which doesn't exist on MCF5249. So all further sections are shifted by 1 |
| 11:17:53 | ootput | is there a list of battery types for the ipod platform? I'm trying to configure rockbox on my 1st gen mini to display the right scale |
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| 11:26:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: where is the shutdown function you need fixing? |
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| 11:28:07 | JdGordon | dw, found it |
| 11:29:13 | amiconn | screens.c shutdow_screen iirc |
| 11:29:17 | amiconn | But gtg, bbl |
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| 11:30:45 | JdGordon | does anyone in here have the recorder? |
| 11:31:08 | daurn|laptop | ? |
| 11:31:14 | daurn|laptop | archos one? |
| 11:31:15 | JdGordon | the archos recorder |
| 11:31:29 | JdGordon | yep |
| 11:33:16 | JdGordon | daurn|laptop: do u have it? |
| 11:33:39 | daurn|laptop | no |
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| 11:55:07 | JdGordon | do we want this fixed? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6047.0 |
| 11:58:36 | Bger | haha |
| 11:58:58 | JdGordon | i _tihnk_ ive fixed it.. waiting for sim to finish building to test |
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| 12:00:47 | JdGordon | nope... that didnt fix it... ill keep trying :p |
| 12:01:25 | scorche | im sure keeping ritesh from cheating on one of our games is high priority too! |
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| 12:02:14 | JdGordon | thats what i rekon! |
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| 12:08:15 | ootput | how often do you guys implement cvs dailies on your ipods? |
| 12:08:37 | scorche | cvs builds, or daily builds? |
| 12:08:41 | scorche | (two different things) |
| 12:09:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It really depends on what's been going on. If there's a change or fix that affects me, I update, if not, I don't. It's very much inconsistent. |
| 12:09:36 | ootput | the ones documented at http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060827.html |
| 12:10:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those are all the changes in the most recent daily build. |
| 12:10:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you mean "daily builds" and not "cvs builds" |
| 12:10:30 | markun | ootput: why do you want to know btw? |
| 12:10:34 | scorche | as i said.. |
| 12:10:38 | ootput | okay, i assumed dailies were built from cvs commits |
| 12:10:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | In which case, I'd wager most people in this channel don't use dailies. |
| 12:10:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dailies are built from CVS commits. Once per day |
| 12:10:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | AKA daily |
| 12:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | CVS builds are built once per commit. |
| 12:11:04 | ootput | ah, i see |
| 12:11:26 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: do u rekon i fix the bug int he forum thread i mentioned above? or leave it? |
| 12:12:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It may as well be fixed. |
| 12:12:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I always wonder why people think "dailies" are updated more than once per day. |
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| 12:14:35 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 12:15:06 | Massa | safetydan, are you back from holidays? How was it? |
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| 12:18:38 | bluebrother | JdGordon, is this task still valid? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4860 |
| 12:19:11 | JdGordon | it shuold be fixed... |
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| 12:19:58 | ootput | for those of you who have compiled rockbox on debian, where can i find the arm-elf-gcc binary? apt-cache/file doesn't reveal its whereabouts |
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| 12:20:16 | JdGordon | you have tobuild it yourself |
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| 12:20:34 | JdGordon | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 12:20:48 | ootput | thanks |
| 12:23:04 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: wtf??? "most time online" |
| 12:23:04 | JdGordon | |
| 12:23:04 | JdGordon | Llorean 63d 23h 11m |
| 12:23:09 | JdGordon | :O |
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| 12:23:22 | Massa | Are recursive function calls allowed and feasible in rockbox? |
| 12:23:28 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:23:39 | JdGordon | just be careful because of the smallish stack |
| 12:23:45 | JdGordon | 8kb or something rediculous |
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| 12:24:58 | Massa | What will be put on stack when calling a function? The parameters to the function and the return address? Or other things, too? |
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| 12:25:21 | Bagder | local variables |
| 12:25:26 | JdGordon | also any variables in the function, and other house keeping stuff |
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| 12:25:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Quite often I leave a browser window open to the page while I'm doing other stuff. Ever time I refresh it, that's essentially another 15 minutes added to my online time. |
| 12:26:05 | Massa | So having a big character array inside a function is not a good idea?! ;) |
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| 12:26:30 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: suuure you do... /me looks at Paul's nick :p |
| 12:26:44 | JdGordon | Massa: yes, but if you can make it static then its fine |
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| 12:28:10 | JdGordon | Massa: depending on why you are recursing, it can be very simple to change it to iterative |
| 12:28:14 | Massa | That's difficult when I want to call a function recursively and use their own variables (which of course shall not affect the callers variables). |
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| 12:28:43 | Massa | It's again wps parsing - for coditionals. |
| 12:28:49 | JdGordon | ah |
| 12:29:13 | JdGordon | is the recursive function finished? paste it and we might be able to change it to a loop? |
| 12:29:47 | safetydan | Massa, yo. Holidays were good. Great skiing in New Zealand :) |
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| 12:30:08 | Massa | Their parameters may contain other tags, which also have to be parsed, wich also may contain conditionals, which also may contain other tags... |
| 12:30:33 | JdGordon | Bagder: can you temp ban San^3 untill his net is working a bit better? |
| 12:30:47 | Massa | JdGordon: no, the recursive function has not be written - I'm still thinking about the best way to do it ;) |
| 12:30:53 | JdGordon | ah |
| 12:31:40 | Massa | safetydan: Oh! It's currently winter at your place? We're supposed to have summertime now - although it's more like spring ;) |
| 12:31:58 | JdGordon | do it recursivly and then see how bad it is... you might be lucky :p |
| 12:32:19 | safetydan | Well technically it's winter here, but today it was 28 degrees so... |
| 12:33:38 | Massa | JdGordon: I don't want to do it recursively - if there's a better way... |
| 12:33:47 | daurn|laptop | hey |
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| 12:33:53 | daurn|laptop | any admin here? |
| 12:34:20 | markun | what kind of admin? |
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| 12:34:30 | JdGordon | Massa: can you just work from the inside out? or not that simple? |
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| 12:34:56 | Massa | safetydan: well, actually 28 degrees (celcius of course) _should_ be our summertime temperature - but currently it's raining and having about 15 degrees... |
| 12:34:56 | markun | linuxstb_: a patch to move one of the ipod targets to target tree: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 |
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| 12:35:25 | markun | linuxstb_: and he's willing to also port the other ipods (but can't test them of course) |
| 12:35:26 | Massa | JdGordon: what do you mean? Go to the inner tag/token, parse it and go back? |
| 12:35:33 | JdGordon | ye |
| 12:35:36 | daurn|laptop | one who knows about neuros etc |
| 12:35:47 | Massa | safetydan: you could join our discussion - it's about WPS parsing ;) |
| 12:35:54 | markun | daurn|laptop: ask Bagder |
| 12:36:05 | safetydan | ah, conditional tokens parsing... |
| 12:36:10 | * | daurn|laptop badger's badger |
| 12:36:19 | daurn|laptop | - whats his current nick? |
| 12:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | bagder, not badger. |
| 12:36:23 | Lear | massa: current conditional parser isn't recursive. Maybe that can help... |
| 12:36:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | He's not here right now. |
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| 12:36:43 | daurn|laptop | doesn't he change his name |
| 12:36:49 | markun | He was here 10 mins ago |
| 12:37:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait, he's here |
| 12:37:02 | bluebrother | does someone know of a method to convert graphical equalizer presets to parametric? |
| 12:37:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just read right past it. |
| 12:37:07 | Massa | safetydan: Yeah, I used your parsing code as base for another one ;) |
| 12:37:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | bluebrother: Wouldn't it kinda depend on what the graphical EQ used for Q? |
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| 12:37:40 | Massa | safetydan: but I have some problems in handling the conditionals (not to talk about sublines which I didn't have a look at) |
| 12:38:12 | bluebrother | Paul_The_Nerd, sure, but it should be possible to guess that |
| 12:38:53 | bluebrother | the bigger problem is the fact that the number of channels isn't equal. |
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| 12:39:24 | Massa | safetydan: each argument of a conditional may also be a sequence of tags/tokens with own parameters... |
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| 12:39:43 | safetydan | Massa, yup... just reading through the code again |
| 12:40:28 | Massa | safetydan: so the easy "just jump over the appropriate number of '|' to find the correct argument" will not work |
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| 12:41:53 | Lear | massa: you need to consider the current conditional level, which is pretty much what skip_conditional does. |
| 12:43:15 | Massa | Lear: what about tags which also have parameters? skip_conditional would not work for that! |
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| 12:43:51 | safetydan | Massa, at the tokenizer level I don't think you really need to worry about it do you? |
| 12:43:52 | Lear | massa: you mean like %xl ? |
| 12:44:08 | daurn|laptop | Bagder? - you here? - will you resond |
| 12:44:33 | markun | daurn|laptop: just ask. He will respond later. |
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| 12:44:39 | Massa | Lear: theoretically yes, but %xl must be on its own line... |
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| 12:45:23 | Massa | safetydan: what do you mean "you don't need to worry about"? Why not? |
| 12:45:43 | Lear | Massa: Hm... Current syntax doesn't support that kind of tag in a conditional, obviously, so do you need to worry about it? |
| 12:47:46 | JdGordon | who knows about firmware/drivers/ata.c ? |
| 12:48:03 | safetydan | Massa, Well you're just tokenizing the WPS string not parsing it as such |
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| 12:48:16 | Massa | Lear: it does not? :-S That means, that the album art tag is not well designed - it would need it ;) |
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| 12:49:21 | Lear | Massa: No, how could it? The conditional uses "|" as separator, so a tag inside a conditional cannot use it (at least not directly). |
| 12:49:49 | Lear | You can display a "|" by writing it as a "%|" (I think, at least... :) ) |
| 12:50:36 | Massa | Lear: it could use it - if the parsing would know about it (and then a real parsing of the sub-tags would be needed) |
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| 12:51:17 | Lear | Massa: That would make it uneccessarily complex, imho... |
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| 12:51:51 | Massa | Lear: I don't think that "%|" will work inside a conditional - as fas as I remember skip_conditionals does not distinguish between "|" and "%|" |
| 12:52:52 | Massa | Lear: I think you're right - if the album cover tag is the only one who needs it - it _has_ to be changed. |
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| 12:54:44 | Lear | Massa: Maybe not, but it should be possible to display e.g. a "|" by writing "%|" in the WPS... |
| 12:55:24 | Massa | Any suggestion for the album cover tags? I think about a "%Cl" for definition (similar to "%xl") and "%C" (similar to "%xd") to display it. |
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| 12:58:42 | Massa | or "%Cl|c|x|y|maxwidth|maxheight|" for definition of the album cover of the current title and "%Cl|n|x|y|maxwidth|maxheight|" for the next title |
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| 12:59:26 | Massa | and "%Cc" to display the album cover of the current title and "%Cn" to display the album cober of the next title. |
| 12:59:50 | Massa | and "%?Cc" / "%?Cn" for the conditionals |
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| 13:00:42 | markun | Massa: if you only keep the tokens in memory the wps format could perhaps be changed to something more readable |
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| 13:01:37 | Massa | safetydan: are you still reading your code? Don't you understand it any longer ;)? |
| 13:02:37 | safetydan | Massa, I understand it, just not sure why I stopped writing it. Must have been something to cause me to pause at that level |
| 13:03:12 | Massa | markun: yes only the tokens will be kept in memory - but I'm not sure if a changed WPS syntax will be accepted :) |
| 13:03:37 | markun | we also changed the language file format to somethings more readable.. |
| 13:03:45 | JdGordon | how do u typedef a function type? |
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| 13:04:00 | dionoea | hi |
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| 13:04:27 | Massa | safetydan: interested in my code? Or better in my road works code ;) |
| 13:04:59 | Massa | markun: that's something different, it only affected developers. Changing wps code would affect users as well! |
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| 13:05:16 | safetydan | Massa, don't have time to look at it in detail at the moment, nearly time for me to go to sleep :) |
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| 13:05:37 | safetydan | Maybe attach a patch to the FS #4826 |
| 13:05:38 | Massa | JdGordon: e.g. "typedef int (*wps_parse_func)( int a, int b);" |
| 13:06:36 | JdGordon | then use is as "wps_parse_func func"? |
| 13:06:37 | Massa | safetydan: I will - but it's far from being finished! It needs a lot more work. |
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| 13:07:29 | Massa | JdGordon: yes - and then you could call it with "func( a, b );" |
| 13:07:34 | JdGordon | ta |
| 13:08:17 | Massa | safetydan: how late is it on your site (you're in Australia - aren't you?) 1AM? |
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| 13:08:44 | safetydan | Massa, not quite 1am :) We're only UTC+10 so 21:08 is the local time |
| 13:08:53 | safetydan | have to get up early for work |
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| 13:09:42 | Massa | safetydan: actually 21:00h is no time to go to bed - only my children have to :P |
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| 13:18:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: am i correct to assume ata_perform_sleep is called before the disk actually spins down? |
| 13:19:45 | | Part juxtap |
| 13:20:27 | amiconn | ata_perform_sleep() _is_ what makes the disk spin down |
| 13:20:35 | JdGordon | oh good :) |
| 13:20:56 | JdGordon | im having a go at adding the callback function thingy there.. |
| 13:21:14 | amiconn | After that, the ide power is optionally cut (2 seconds later or so) - if the target hw supports it and the option is enabled |
| 13:21:43 | amiconn | Thing is, we might want more than one registerable callback |
| 13:22:04 | JdGordon | well i have an aray of 3 atm.. |
| 13:22:10 | JdGordon | #define MAX_ATA_CALLBACKS 3 |
| 13:22:18 | amiconn | 2 or 3 should be sufficient |
| 13:22:27 | preglow | freqmod: you here? |
| 13:22:34 | amiconn | But adding it in the ata code has drawbacks. |
| 13:22:35 | JdGordon | a callback is bool()(void), if any return true then the disk is not spun down, but all are always run |
| 13:22:58 | JdGordon | it wouldnt slow it down enoug to be noticable would it? |
| 13:23:04 | amiconn | For instance, there's more than one implementation of the ata function set |
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| 13:23:29 | JdGordon | ? ata.c is always used isnt it? |
| 13:23:30 | amiconn | An app would only register a callback if there's work to do |
| 13:23:34 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:23:41 | amiconn | Ondios use ata_mmc.c |
| 13:23:49 | amiconn | iFP7xx uses ata_flash.c |
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| 13:24:28 | amiconn | ...and there might be more interfaces in the future (e.g. usbotg) |
| 13:24:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I think the forums are "fixed" finally |
| 13:24:35 | JdGordon | hmm... as for registering... I was doing it so a function would register on init and if it had something to do it would do it, otherwise it would qwuit quickly |
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| 13:27:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: what about just making a new file in firmware/ for this and have each ata_ file call it? |
| 13:29:28 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps |
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| 13:29:40 | amiconn | Adding the callback in ata_perform_sleep() is probably bad |
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| 13:29:56 | amiconn | (1) It doesn't exist on every platform |
| 13:30:30 | amiconn | (2) The ata thread isn't aware of more accesses happening "silently" and may cut the power while the disk is being accessed -> BAD |
| 13:31:36 | JdGordon | 1: each platform would stick the call where it works best for that platform.. 2: i was doing it before the mutex, which i assume would get rid of that problem |
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| 13:31:53 | JdGordon | .. or my logic is wrong and it makes it worse :p |
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| 13:32:32 | amiconn | Imho the ata thread (or equivalent) needs to handle it - which needs some work on the flash platforms as there isn't even a thread for it, or the thread has a different purpose |
| 13:34:40 | amiconn | This is also necessary to keep the correct operation of normal sleep timeout vs. Q_SLEEP |
| 13:34:48 | JdGordon | it looks like it can go in the ata thread easily (for ata.c targets).. |
| 13:35:18 | amiconn | hmm |
| 13:35:26 | JdGordon | im correct in assuming that if the callback functon does anything the last_disk|user_activity variables would be updated yeah? |
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| 13:40:44 | freqmod | preglow: yes |
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| 13:41:20 | * | freqmod wasn't looking at konversation because he is woring on fixing his email server |
| 13:41:34 | preglow | freqmod: did you remove much code from speex? |
| 13:42:08 | daurn|laptop | w(here)tf is Bagder |
| 13:42:18 | freqmod | well, what is much, I have emptied some fuctions |
| 13:42:30 | preglow | freqmod: i'm just doing a diff between 21.06 svn and your code, and there seems to be quite a bit missing |
| 13:42:32 | freqmod | however the function declarations are still there |
| 13:43:14 | preglow | myeah, i see |
| 13:43:44 | freqmod | svn has not changed since my last diff |
| 13:43:51 | freqmod | AFAIK |
| 13:43:53 | preglow | oh, it has |
| 13:44:32 | freqmod | has it? , I did a 'svn diff' just now and it didn't give me any more differences that i have made |
| 13:45:19 | preglow | so you have synced against speex svn since 21.06 ? |
| 13:45:21 | linuxstb_ | AFAIK svn diff (if it's the same as cvs) just tells you your local changes compared to the version of cvs you've checked out. Not the changes other people have checked in. |
| 13:45:32 | freqmod | ok |
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| 13:46:53 | daurn|laptop | linuxstb_: do you know about dm320? |
| 13:46:53 | freqmod | however my only changes to the speex code are a lookuptable for exp in sb_celp.c sterio.c misc.c/h, arch.c/h and math_approx.c/h (except removing code) |
| 13:48:40 | JdGordon | can i add a very simple thread for fake ata to the sim? |
| 13:50:37 | preglow | btw, why did you remove the functions? |
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| 13:50:50 | preglow | just asking because i don't want any unnecessary changes |
| 13:50:56 | preglow | i'd like to sync agains svn as easily as possible |
| 13:51:01 | freqmod | just to save code space and to remove the sin functions |
| 13:51:07 | freqmod | restore them if you want |
| 13:51:36 | freqmod | or i could do it in my tree, but then you'll have to merge your optimalizations |
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| 13:51:50 | preglow | i haven't done any opts yet |
| 13:51:56 | preglow | i want to commit it first |
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| 13:53:55 | * | freqmod is syncing speex to svn (as similar as possible) |
| 13:54:02 | preglow | goodie |
| 13:56:04 | * | freqmod got an include loop ;/ |
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| 14:00:05 | preglow | is there an include file that is always included? |
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| 14:00:25 | linuxstb_ | daurn|laptop: No. |
| 14:00:26 | freqmod | i think arch.h is included very many places |
| 14:01:53 | preglow | freqmod: looks like only misc.h includes it |
| 14:02:40 | preglow | many files include misc.c |
| 14:02:45 | freqmod | ok |
| 14:08:43 | Mikachu | you mean .h? |
| 14:10:40 | preglow | indeed |
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| 14:15:33 | Coldtoast | howdy all |
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| 14:18:26 | freqmod | preglow: now i have nearly synced it, however i miss the following functions for encoding: log,fabs,floor,pow |
| 14:18:35 | preglow | no wonder |
| 14:18:38 | preglow | they're libm |
| 14:19:11 | freqmod | should i link a libm, make palceholder functions or something else? |
| 14:19:43 | Coldtoast | after having run rb on my iriver for, god, almost a year and a half an then buying this Nano, I'm stoked rb is usable on the nano |
| 14:19:53 | preglow | freqmod: i can't think of anything better than making placeholders |
| 14:19:55 | freqmod | i think i make empty functions, at least temporary |
| 14:19:58 | preglow | it should be fixed point one day anyway |
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| 14:25:16 | Coldtoast | where's the nano WPS gallery? |
| 14:26:44 | bluebrother | Coldtoast, check the wiki |
| 14:26:45 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
| 14:26:55 | Coldtoast | cheers. just found it. heh |
| 14:26:58 | freqmod | ok, fixed will upload soom |
| 14:29:45 | freqmod | uploaded freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2 unzip in apps/codecs (includes only the libspeex directory) |
| 14:29:52 | freqmod | I had to edit a few headers too |
| 14:30:05 | freqmod | speex_types.h + a few include paths |
| 14:31:16 | freqmod | placeholders in math_approx.c/h |
| 14:31:22 | preglow | goodie |
| 14:31:54 | freqmod | the include files from svn:/trunk/speex/include/speex are in libspeex/speex |
| 14:34:43 | * | JdGordon just mde rockbox impossibly unstable! |
| 14:35:40 | JdGordon | I've somehow disabled ata spinup ! |
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| 14:44:28 | Bger | JdGordon: what are you working on atm ? :D |
| 14:44:44 | JdGordon | random useless stuff :p |
| 14:44:58 | JdGordon | trying to get a callback thingy happening before the disk spins down... |
| 14:45:06 | JdGordon | all i have managed to do is kill the ata driver! :D |
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| 14:46:00 | JdGordon | amiconn: still around? |
| 14:46:02 | Bger | JdGordon: :D |
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| 14:59:29 | JdGordon | hmm... do i have to do anything else other than adding a new file to firmware/SOURCES for it to not crash? i seem to be able to crash the ata(?) thread without doing anything other than adding a new file to the build (the functions in the file are not even called and it crashes) |
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| 15:09:20 | * | JdGordon is starting to worry... copying over a cvs rockbox.iriver isnt stopping this freesing |
| 15:09:37 | JdGordon | clearing the settings doesnt help either |
| 15:11:23 | Massa | JdGordon: does the original firmware work? |
| 15:11:44 | JdGordon | checking... |
| 15:12:01 | JdGordon | yep, it works |
| 15:13:13 | midkay | JdGordon: mutilating it how?! |
| 15:14:27 | JdGordon | midkay: that wasint in reply to 6 hours ago was it? |
| 15:14:35 | midkay | it was. i forgot about you. |
| 15:14:42 | JdGordon | haha |
| 15:14:45 | midkay | you didn't address me in your reply and as such I just remembered asking. |
| 15:14:45 | midkay | :) |
| 15:15:02 | JdGordon | haha oh well |
| 15:15:46 | Massa | JdGordon: so it _must_ be something wrong with your build... |
| 15:15:49 | midkay | "oh well"? :) |
| 15:16:41 | JdGordon | Massa: wierd.. cvs build works fine.. mine doesnt |
| 15:16:46 | JdGordon | my gcc must still be fubar |
| 15:17:10 | amiconn | Tried 'make clean' first? |
| 15:17:48 | JdGordon | 5 or 6 times |
| 15:18:13 | amiconn | odd.... |
| 15:18:13 | Massa | also did a new configure? |
| 15:18:31 | amiconn | Do you have other changes than the ata callback stuff? |
| 15:19:29 | JdGordon | ok, very wierd... it all seems to be working again.. |
| 15:19:41 | JdGordon | now time to re-add the ata stuff and see what happens |
| 15:21:53 | JdGordon | well that apears to be a massive waste of 30min... |
| 15:23:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: i tihnk it actually works! |
| 15:24:02 | JdGordon | i've got it sayin "about to sleep" before it sleeps |
| 15:24:40 | amiconn | The question is whether it still works if the callback is doing further disk operations |
| 15:25:17 | amiconn | I tend to think we shouldn't wait until before spindown, but instead call the callbacks after the first access, like the delayed sector is handled now |
| 15:25:30 | JdGordon | will a quick read be enough to test it? |
| 15:26:04 | JdGordon | wouldnt that be calling it more often than at spindown? |
| 15:26:25 | amiconn | The callback should be called once, then cleared |
| 15:27:06 | amiconn | If the app registering it has more things to do, it should re-register |
| 15:27:44 | JdGordon | ok, once we know this works that can be fixed |
| 15:31:02 | JdGordon | for the sim, ive made a dummy thread to just trigger it evey 2min.. |
| 15:31:13 | preglow | freqmod: are the extra files something that's popped up in svn recently? |
| 15:32:01 | preglow | test*, smallft.*, vorbispsy.* |
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| 15:32:59 | freqmod | no, some of them are files releated to encoding which i removed when they wasn't called after i removed the contents of the encoding functions |
| 15:33:10 | freqmod | the test files are test programs |
| 15:33:53 | preglow | think i'll delete those again |
| 15:34:42 | freqmod | vorbispsy is psycoacustic coding based on ogg vorbis |
| 15:35:09 | freqmod | small fl is a Fast Fourier transform library, for encoding |
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| 15:40:39 | preglow | i'll leave those in |
| 15:41:14 | freqmod | that would be best, if somebody sometime in the future wanted to make a encoding plugin |
| 15:43:07 | preglow | it really does spout a lot of warnings, though |
| 15:43:43 | Bger | hm, does anyone know something for kde like "the windows' 2 traffic pc-s in the taskbar" ? |
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| 15:44:10 | JdGordon | amiconn: hmm.. it crashes if you access the hdd in the callback.. which defeats the purpose :p |
| 15:44:46 | JdGordon | which is a bit odd... because shouldnt last_user_activity and/or last_disk_activity be updated in the calls to open() ? |
| 15:44:53 | amiconn | Hmm. Did you implement the callback-in-ata-access? |
| 15:45:08 | JdGordon | im about to.. |
| 15:45:22 | amiconn | If you did, the callback needs to unregister itself - _before_ actually calling it |
| 15:45:36 | amiconn | Otherwise it would trap itself in an endless loop |
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| 15:46:05 | amiconn | The callback would call the ata function, which would call the callback .... |
| 15:46:20 | freqmod | preprocess.h: #include <math.h> to #include "math_approx.h" helps a bit |
| 15:46:49 | freqmod | and in fftwrap.c and kiss_fft.c |
| 15:47:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, fixed so that wont happen... where in ata.c does it go? |
| 15:48:34 | preglow | there's a bunch of parameters in speex.c that's also only used in LOGFs |
| 15:48:36 | preglow | and give warnings |
| 15:48:41 | amiconn | ata_write_sectors and ata_read_sectors, at the end |
| 15:48:48 | preglow | since LOGF reduces to nothing in normal builds |
| 15:49:04 | amiconn | I think this callback mechanism should replace the content of the old ata_flush( |
| 15:49:06 | amiconn | ) |
| 15:49:32 | freqmod | ok, when i added math_approx.h i got it down to pseudofloat.h:53:1: warning: "MIN" redefined kiss_fft.c: In function ‘kf_bfly4’: kiss_fft.c:91: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 15:49:34 | freqmod | in libspeex |
| 15:50:37 | midkay | JdGordon: haha. nice fix of that brickmania "cheat but not really". |
| 15:50:37 | midkay | :) |
| 15:50:45 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:51:00 | freqmod | i will make an updated package with less warnings |
| 15:51:14 | preglow | freqmod: cool |
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| 15:52:25 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, i put the call in ata_flush() and its not crashing/freezing.. but im not sure tis working or not :p |
| 15:54:43 | JdGordon | yes, it works :D |
| 15:54:49 | freqmod | however all the "unused parameters in libspeex are disabled in the libspeex makefile", as that would mean to change the speex code a lot |
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| 15:55:58 | Coldtoast | hey. what capacity is the battery on the ipod nano? |
| 15:56:21 | freqmod | uploaded (at same adress, includes speex.c too) |
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| 15:56:33 | freqmod | addr:freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2 |
| 15:56:39 | freqmod | (not tested, will do it now) |
| 15:58:14 | freqmod | codec falue |
| 15:58:17 | freqmod | *falure |
| 15:58:29 | * | JdGordon thinks im gonna need a mutex here... |
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| 15:58:52 | * | freqmod copied the sim version onto the ipod |
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| 16:00:37 | freqmod | the arm version works on the ipod ;) |
| 16:02:49 | JdGordon | amiconn: its not possible for the ui thread to interupt the ata thread is it? i dont have to worry about functions being added to the callback while we r calling the callback functions.. do i? |
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| 16:04:37 | preglow | wot |
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| 16:06:45 | Siimors | hi ) |
| 16:06:45 | Siimors | :) |
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| 16:07:15 | Siimors | I bought Ipod yesterday, and 5 mins ago installed the rockbox, it seems to boot ok, thx guys :))) |
| 16:07:24 | Siimors | I just need to read know how to get it to play music |
| 16:07:55 | midkay | you click on something! |
| 16:13:16 | Coldtoast | is it possible for ipodlinux AND rb to coexist on an ipod? |
| 16:13:57 | Mikachu | yes |
| 16:14:39 | Coldtoast | how do I set it up? install rb first then run the ipodlinux installer? |
| 16:14:58 | Coldtoast | hmmm. actually, that'll wipe the ipod |
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| 16:21:48 | Rob2222_ | Is here anyone owner of a dead H300? |
| 16:22:40 | Siimors | I have a stupid question |
| 16:23:06 | Siimors | will dark background color consume more battery power? |
| 16:28:46 | Bger | Siimors: i doubt it |
| 16:29:16 | Bger | Siimors: better lower the backlight brightness |
| 16:29:36 | Bger | Rob2222_: do you need any parts / |
| 16:29:42 | Rob2222_ | yes! |
| 16:29:59 | Rob2222_ | a dc plug. that part on the PCB solderes. the yellow |
| 16:30:11 | Rob2222_ | got a really depressive problem :( |
| 16:30:26 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SpareParts |
| 16:30:34 | Coldtoast | wouldn't that be a standard part you could buy at somewhere like ratshack? |
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| 16:30:48 | JdGordon | ... do threads not work properly in the sim? |
| 16:30:49 | Bger | Rob2222_: that was for u |
| 16:31:00 | Bger | Rob2222_: write there under the "Needed" |
| 16:31:15 | Bger | s/Needed/Wanted/ |
| 16:31:15 | Rob2222_ | ic. charge port is already wanted |
| 16:31:15 | Siimors | Bger: if I turn off the backligt, set backgroud to white, foreground to black, I can still see menus and text and I get the most of my battery, right? |
| 16:31:15 | Rob2222_ | :( |
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| 16:31:39 | Bger | Siimors: yeah |
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| 16:31:56 | Rob2222 | A girl asked me, if i could assemble a 60gb hd in her H300, both she bought at ebay and sent to me. |
| 16:32:00 | Bger | the lcd backlight sucks much more current than the lcd itself, iiuc |
| 16:32:11 | Rob2222 | both parts were faulty. (not by me!) |
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| 16:32:32 | Bger | Rob2222: :( |
| 16:32:35 | Rob2222 | then she gave both back and purchased new |
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| 16:32:50 | Rob2222 | and she was here and i assembled 60gb hd |
| 16:32:54 | Rob2222 | all fin |
| 16:33:11 | Siimors | Bger: is there a way to quit some plugins like chess and text-editor |
| 16:33:12 | Rob2222 | and then i got hang on the DC cable and the unit fallen from desk |
| 16:33:23 | Rob2222 | on the plug. |
| 16:33:23 | Siimors | coz I dunno how to |
| 16:33:37 | Bger | Siimors: what target ? i suppose ipod ? |
| 16:33:39 | Rob2222 | and now the charge port of the h300 is broken |
| 16:33:42 | Siimors | yep |
| 16:34:04 | Bger | Rob2222: really bad luck :( |
| 16:34:13 | Bger | Siimors: w8 |
| 16:34:30 | Siimors | ok |
| 16:34:30 | Rob2222 | yes. :( im normally really carefull with such units. and then this :( |
| 16:35:12 | Bger | Siimors: #define CB_QUIT (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_MENU) |
| 16:35:14 | Coldtoast | anybody know the battery capacity of the ipod nano? |
| 16:35:42 | Bger | Siimors: that is, press SELECT & MENU |
| 16:35:52 | Siimors | yeah, it restarts the rockbox |
| 16:35:58 | Bger | Siimors: huh? |
| 16:36:11 | Siimors | holding select + menu |
| 16:36:14 | Siimors | restarts the rockbox |
| 16:36:30 | Bger | hm |
| 16:36:40 | Bger | hold select and press menu quickly |
| 16:36:43 | Bger | or the opposite |
| 16:38:05 | Bger | Rob2222: still, try to add another vote for the plug on that page |
| 16:38:35 | Bger | Rob2222: also, ask LinusN if he can tell u similar part to the original |
| 16:39:45 | Bger | Siimors: tried ? |
| 16:40:20 | Siimors | yep |
| 16:40:24 | Siimors | thx it works |
| 16:40:32 | Siimors | Menu (hold) + select |
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| 16:41:32 | Bger | np |
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| 16:43:46 | Siimors | Bger |
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| 16:43:58 | Siimors | is there a page for theme downloads? |
| 16:44:57 | Rob2222 | bger: thx, will do / did it already |
| 16:46:24 | Rob2222 | is 10 euro ok as price for such a plug? |
| 16:46:54 | Bger | Rob2222: i doubt it ... |
| 16:47:10 | Rob2222 | 30? |
| 16:47:37 | Rob2222 | well, ill see |
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| 16:50:18 | Bger | Rob2222: no,i think it should be $1 - $5 .. |
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| 16:54:16 | Febbs | linuxstb_, you around? |
| 16:55:57 | linuxstb_ | Febbs: I've just arrived... |
| 16:57:49 | Mikachu | this isn't going to make amiconn happy http://www.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=2006-08-27%2014%3A24%3A47&type=FM%20Recorder%20-%20Normal#prob1 |
| 16:57:52 | Mikachu | :) |
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| 16:58:49 | Bger | Mikachu: i bet u're right :D |
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| 17:06:03 | jwhiting | hi all, anyone else having or had trouble getting unicode filenames to show up right on rockbox? |
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| 17:06:42 | Soap | jwhiting - you load the font pack and a unicode compatible font? |
| 17:07:19 | jwhiting | i loaded the fontpack |
| 17:07:20 | markun | jwhiting: what languages are the filenames in? |
| 17:07:27 | jwhiting | traditional chinese |
| 17:07:43 | jwhiting | do I need to make one of my system chinese fonts into a rockbox fnt? |
| 17:07:46 | markun | unifont might have the right glyphs |
| 17:08:07 | jwhiting | unifont is one of the fonts in rockbox-fonts? |
| 17:08:09 | markun | yes |
| 17:08:17 | jwhiting | ok |
| 17:08:29 | markun | Or try this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4878 |
| 17:08:32 | jwhiting | all I see is square boxes where the glyphs should be |
| 17:08:44 | jwhiting | thanks I'll check it out |
| 17:10:31 | jwhiting | do I need to change the wps to use the different fonts? |
| 17:10:37 | jwhiting | e.g. to use unifont? |
| 17:10:59 | markun | you might need to |
| 17:11:06 | jwhiting | ok |
| 17:11:32 | markun | just try it |
| 17:12:01 | jwhiting | unicatcher gets them nicely, a bit big. but I'll try this nimbus pack |
| 17:12:22 | jwhiting | thanks very much for your help, I couldn't find anything on the faq or forums about this type of think |
| 17:12:24 | jwhiting | *thing |
| 17:14:07 | markun | not many chinese rockbox users :) |
| 17:16:04 | Siimors | is there a tool to create language file, or I can just edit lng file? |
| 17:16:21 | Bger | Siimors: for new language or ? |
| 17:16:56 | Bger | Siimors: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles |
| 17:18:22 | Siimors | thx |
| 17:19:38 | markun | Siimors: which translation are you interested in? |
| 17:20:49 | Siimors | Latvian |
| 17:22:40 | amiconn | Mikachu: Indeed not. It's severely annoying me |
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| 17:33:42 | freqmod | Speex (only the libspeex dir vs rockbox speex, patch): freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsvn2rockbox.diff">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsvn2rockbox.diff (when/if someone needs to make the difference) |
| 17:42:22 | Bger | freqmod: -#define SPEEX_VERSION "speex-1.2-beta1" /**< Speex version string. */ |
| 17:42:22 | Bger | +#define SPEEX_VERSION "speex-1.1.13" /**< Speex version string. */ |
| 17:43:05 | freqmod | yes i know, i just replaced the misc.h from my old version |
| 17:43:58 | freqmod | i should have deleted that change |
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| 17:45:04 | * | freqmod uploaded a fixed diff, it is the same content as the tar.bz2 file |
| 17:45:48 | Siimors | Bger: i did read the link you gave me |
| 17:45:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:46:00 | Bger | Siimors: yep, and ? |
| 17:46:05 | Siimors | but i'm not sure I can understand how to set up that perl thing |
| 17:46:14 | Bger | Siimors: windows ? |
| 17:46:17 | Siimors | yes |
| 17:46:29 | Bger | do you have cygwin installed ? |
| 17:46:35 | Siimors | nope |
| 17:46:36 | Bger | i suppose u have |
| 17:46:38 | Bger | ah |
| 17:46:41 | Bger | w8 |
| 17:46:41 | Siimors | i haven't installed it |
| 17:46:48 | Siimors | is it a preinstalled software? |
| 17:46:55 | Bger | Siimors: w8 |
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| 17:49:14 | Bger | Siimors: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler?topic=CygwinDevelopment |
| 17:51:13 | Bger | i.e. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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| 17:55:41 | Bger | Siimors: |
| 17:56:03 | Bger | if you just want to start a new language translation, u don't need to do all this ... |
| 17:56:35 | Siimors | ? |
| 17:56:45 | Siimors | what do i need then? |
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| 17:57:48 | Siimors | Bger? |
| 17:58:17 | Bger | only to copy the apps/lang/english.lang file to apps/lang/new_language.lang |
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| 17:58:27 | Bger | and to translate all the "dest:" strings |
| 17:58:44 | Bger | but this will work only the first time |
| 17:58:48 | Bger | i mean |
| 17:59:30 | Bger | if the master language file (english.lang) is changed after that, it will be easier to update it with the genlang script |
| 17:59:45 | Siimors | you mean English.lng |
| 17:59:48 | Siimors | ? |
| 17:59:53 | Bger | english.lang |
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| 18:00:10 | Bger | english.lng is the binary file, "compiled" for specific platform |
| 18:00:38 | Bger | oh |
| 18:00:47 | Bger | anyway, it's better to get cygwin working |
| 18:00:54 | Siimors | damn i hate how stupid I am : |
| 18:00:56 | Siimors | :( |
| 18:01:19 | Bger | hah |
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| 18:01:28 | Bger | it isn't so difficult |
| 18:01:50 | Siimors | Bger: i cant find "apps" folder |
| 18:02:01 | Bger | it's in the cvs ... |
| 18:02:26 | Bger | Siimors: is the translation the only thing u want to do in near future for rockbox ? :P |
| 18:03:24 | Bger | if the answer of the above q is "yes", then just go to http://www.activestate.com/Perl.plex |
| 18:04:08 | Bger | download the ActivePerl (lower left corner of the page) |
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| 18:07:01 | Siimors | did it |
| 18:07:21 | Bger | install it (i can't help you with that ...) |
| 18:07:32 | Siimors | well I'm not THAT stupid :) |
| 18:07:37 | Bger | save this somewhere http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/genlang |
| 18:07:42 | Bger | heh |
| 18:08:04 | Bger | i don't have any idea how does its installation look like |
| 18:08:13 | Siimors | done |
| 18:08:14 | Siimors | done |
| 18:09:20 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/apps/lang/english.lang save this too |
| 18:10:15 | Siimors | done |
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| 18:11:19 | Bger | now copy it to yourlang.lang |
| 18:11:21 | Bger | and |
| 18:11:38 | Bger | start reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles and translating |
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| 18:29:29 | Siimors | Bger: damn it looks like shit in notepad, any suggestions? |
| 18:29:47 | Bger | try notepad2 |
| 18:30:15 | Bger | the problem is that in windows a new line is 2 chars (carriage return + line feed), and on unix/linux/etc it's line feed only |
| 18:30:59 | Bger | Siimors: http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html |
| 18:31:49 | Siimors | yeah, i'm already using it |
| 18:32:02 | Siimors | so is it unicode? |
| 18:32:16 | Siimors | because in my language there are a lot of special letters |
| 18:32:51 | Bger | yep |
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| 18:33:08 | Bger | u must save the file in UTF-8 encoding |
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| 18:34:09 | markun | Siimors: if you made it in another encoding you can always convert it to UTF-8 later |
| 18:34:59 | Siimors | no biggie , I think noone would use rockbox in this language |
| 18:35:03 | Siimors | just me |
| 18:35:05 | Siimors | so if it fails... |
| 18:35:06 | Siimors | :) |
| 18:35:29 | markun | Siimors: there are 2 other people from Latvia on rasher's page |
| 18:35:48 | markun | Siimors: rasher.dk/rockbox/people/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ |
| 18:37:54 | Bger | Bagder: add this page (rasher.dk/rockbox/people/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/) to the site's news .. |
| 18:38:00 | Siimors | not found |
| 18:38:11 | markun | Siimors: can't find the site? |
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| 18:40:37 | Siimors | links are broken |
| 18:40:45 | Siimors | must be my connection |
| 18:40:49 | markun | yes |
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| 18:43:49 | Siimors | what the hell is "ask" |
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| 18:44:45 | markun | Siimors: it means that rockbox give you a message like "Do you want to do this?" |
| 18:44:56 | markun | instead of just always doing it or never doing it |
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| 19:05:32 | Genre9mp3 | Eeeeeeww.... just found an album in my disk in wma format! *face full of disgust* |
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| 19:09:17 | rretzbach | Hallo. |
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| 19:11:53 | Siimors | markun: what is AV decay time? |
| 19:14:16 | preglow | decay time for auto volume adjustment, i believe |
| 19:16:52 | Genre9mp3 | Anyone know: Is there any technical difference between .m4p files and m4a files? |
| 19:17:17 | preglow | well, the m4p files are encrypted, no? |
| 19:17:19 | linuxstb_ | .m4p is Apple's convention for encrypted (protected) .m4a files. |
| 19:18:01 | Genre9mp3 | Oh ok...so m4p is what iTunes sells, right? |
| 19:18:12 | preglow | yea |
| 19:18:14 | Genre9mp3 | k |
| 19:18:16 | Genre9mp3 | thanx |
| 19:19:25 | Genre9mp3 | Those guys at Apple like doing things different... even with the extensions! :P |
| 19:20:44 | Febs | This is driving me crazy. I've got Ubuntu all set up, I've leaned how to map drives, install the RB development environment, and much more. But somehow I set my desktop icons to "super-ginormous" size and I can't figure out how to fix that. |
| 19:20:52 | belze | and they like proprietary formats as much as microsoft does ;) |
| 19:21:35 | Genre9mp3 | belze: It's all about the $$$$ |
| 19:21:53 | belze | sure |
| 19:24:02 | linuxstb_ | Febs: Are you using Gnome or KDE (or something else) ? |
| 19:24:10 | Febs | Gnome |
| 19:27:14 | Bger | Genre9mp3: u're the Yngwee-io or so @ MR ? |
| 19:27:19 | linuxstb_ | Febs: I'm not quite sure why I asked that question... I use Gnome, but have no idea how to change the icons... |
| 19:27:47 | Genre9mp3 | Bger: Yes |
| 19:27:48 | Febs | It's just ironic that I've figure out so much else, but am stymied by something else silly as the size of the icons. |
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| 19:27:53 | Febs | It's not really a big deal. |
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| 19:31:55 | tucoz | Febs, the #ubuntu channel is a support channel. Quite crowded but people are helpful |
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| 19:33:20 | bluebrother | is there an upper limit for the size of .cfg files? |
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| 19:33:36 | preglow | Febs: i've never gotten an answer in #ubuntu, but it's worth a shot... |
| 19:34:09 | Febs | The few times I have tried there, I haven't gotten an answer either. |
| 19:34:47 | tucoz | Febs, try the bot |
| 19:35:01 | tucoz | Febs, /msg ubotu <question> |
| 19:35:24 | perplexity | gnome configuration reminds me of zork, one wrong turn and it gets dark, then you get eaten by a grue.. |
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| 19:39:40 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I'm pretty sure they're parsed one line at a time, so I would guess the answer is no. |
| 19:40:37 | lorijho | Hi |
| 19:40:42 | bluebrother | hmm. Thanks. |
| 19:41:04 | lorijho | I'm working on the RTC driver for H10. |
| 19:42:38 | lorijho | Do I assume correctly that, since H10 is based on PP5020, the I2C i2c-pp5020.c code should also more or less work for H10 ? |
| 19:43:02 | jhMikeS | I'm wondering if I shouldn't commit that recording patch. It works well on x5 and apparently on h100/300 (I'd be suprised if it didn't). I'd like to do that so I can get to fixing up the finer points (sampling rates, other minor issues) and not have to keep putting the huge glob back up in FS. My only concern is hw codec but the changes there were mostly cosmetic and few so it shouldn't affect anything there nor any establish |
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| 19:43:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'd make someone test it first if no hwcodec testing has been done |
| 19:43:49 | preglow | unless you're absolutely certain nothing'll be broken |
| 19:43:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: who's arount to do that? I'm really itching to do it. |
| 19:44:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: 95% |
| 19:44:18 | jhMikeS | It compiles fine on those |
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| 19:45:55 | preglow | i dunno, not too many archos devs around |
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| 19:46:02 | jhMikeS | preglow: and an SPDIF double check too would be nice :) |
| 19:46:16 | preglow | my spdif cables aren't here, so i can't test that |
| 19:46:50 | jhMikeS | damn I've got DVD player sitting here just begging to something to talk to. |
| 19:47:44 | jhMikeS | All I did was move the talk_buffer_steal calls into the common rec_set_recording_options really. |
| 19:47:53 | belze | btw is there and aproximate date when the v7 bootloader might be available for the h110? |
| 19:48:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | The v7 bootloader isn't really "official" at the moment. |
| 19:48:14 | preglow | belze: why is a new one needed? |
| 19:48:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: It's the one needed for flashing Rockbox to Rom on the iRivers |
| 19:49:11 | belze | just to be able to flash the firmare in the rom :) |
| 19:49:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: It's ok to admit that you just don't feel like it...:) laph... |
| 19:49:16 | belze | *firmware |
| 19:50:52 | amiconn | Febs: Check whether you have a file starting with .grkrc in your home dir |
| 19:51:24 | amiconn | Maybe it's called .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 19:52:30 | jhMikeS | will I be banished from the land if I by some miracle glitchy it up a little? |
| 19:53:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Can the glitchying be rectified with an "Oops"? |
| 19:53:42 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Ners: Perhaps...an oops with a few quicky corrections. |
| 19:55:01 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Did you try posting some binaries to the forums to try to persuade some recording users to test? |
| 19:55:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | And for this small, small price we likely get codec recording, or is this some other patch? |
| 19:55:45 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: No...which bins should I make? I test compiled basic archos and FM recorder. |
| 19:55:56 | jhMikeS | ondio |
| 19:56:21 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Codec recording, Easy FM recording |
| 19:56:30 | Febs | amiconn: I have a .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 |
| 19:57:37 | jhMikeS | linxstb_: ?? I shouldn't have to post half a dozen or so builds should I? |
| 19:58:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a recorder v1, but I have nothing to really record *with* |
| 19:59:05 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Post whatever builds you want testing... |
| 19:59:52 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: No mic? No radio? |
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| 20:00:35 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: I suppose just post all hw to increase my hit rate. :\ |
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| 20:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: No radio, and I have no cable to hook it up to something else. |
| 20:02:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Oh, wait, I do! |
| 20:02:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: So that would be all archos 1-8? |
| 20:03:17 | jhMikeS | aye! |
| 20:04:40 | jhMikeS | Paul the Nerd: FS #2939 |
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| 20:05:22 | * | jhMikeS is sorry about all the name typos but he's just waking up |
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| 20:06:13 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is gonna hafta compile, isn't he? |
| 20:06:51 | jhMikeS | Yes...should do full update...save settings too. CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION is now 51 |
| 20:07:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm... |
| 20:07:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently my external disk has just failed. |
| 20:07:35 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: :D ok...I'll compile it...which model? |
| 20:07:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Recorder V1. I can also test on H120 if you need that as well. |
| 20:08:06 | * | Paul_The_Nerd now needs to find a very small screwdriver |
| 20:08:25 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Then you can test SPDIF too? Other H120 owner liked it but couldn't test SPDIF. |
| 20:08:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Actually, don't bother with the Recorder V1 build |
| 20:08:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just realized, I doin't know where the cable for it is. It uses a USB cable that I only have one of |
| 20:08:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But yeah, I can test SPDIF |
| 20:09:10 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Still need me to compile an H120 for you? |
| 20:09:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 20:09:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently I'm having a "bad technology day" but H120 should be fine |
| 20:09:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have like 50 of the cables to use with that. |
| 20:10:23 | jhMikeS | Where should I post it or do you want it mailed? |
| 20:10:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really up to you. If you'd prefer to email it, I can do that. |
| 20:11:35 | jhMikeS | np...will have it shortly |
| 20:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | While you're doing that, I'll try recording something digitally so I know how to do it. :) |
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| 20:17:20 | rotator | hmm, i'm hoping someone can help point me in the right direction... |
| 20:17:33 | rotator | i have sample-accurate seeking for flac pretty much done, but there's one bug left |
| 20:17:58 | rotator | when seeking near the end of a flac file, when the next track is not flac, i get a "codec failure" a few seconds before the currect track ends, then playback skips over the next few tracks in the playlist |
| 20:18:11 | rotator | it works fine if the next track is also flac |
| 20:18:24 | rotator | does anyone know what might cause this? |
| 20:20:23 | rotator | hmm, i just noticed it does this with current cvs as well... |
| 20:21:02 | tucoz | What's up with the wiki? |
| 20:21:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd notes to himself that he should change the output setting from 5.1 to stereo before attempting to record, in the future. |
| 20:21:12 | tucoz | hmm. nothing it seems :) |
| 20:21:26 | amiconn | rotator: Do you have crossfading enabled? |
| 20:21:34 | rotator | no, i don't |
| 20:21:47 | amiconn | Maybe it only happens if you seek into a point after crossfade would usually start |
| 20:21:50 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:22:01 | linuxstb_ | rotator: I think that's a well-known bug - if you try to seek at the end of a file, the playback code has already switched to decoding the next file. |
| 20:22:16 | rotator | ahh, ok, then i won't attempt to fix is :) |
| 20:22:24 | rotator | s/is/it |
| 20:22:40 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What does your recording patch do for hwcodec? |
| 20:22:42 | rotator | at least it's not my code :p |
| 20:22:47 | amiconn | I can test later tonight |
| 20:22:56 | amiconn | Recorder V1 and Ondio FM |
| 20:23:01 | linuxstb_ | rotator: It's been in flyspray for about a year... |
| 20:23:22 | rotator | linuxstb_: thanks, i suppose i should have checked there first |
| 20:23:39 | Mikachu | anyone who fixes it will get virtua-hugs from me |
| 20:23:46 | tucoz | amiconn, in case you talk to pixelma, can you tell here that something is wrong with the logos. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipod3g-front.pdf and http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipodcolor-front.pdf |
| 20:24:08 | amiconn | Febs: check that .gtrc* for entries like gtk-icon-sizes="xyz" |
| 20:24:38 | amiconn | tucoz: Yes, she knows that there are problems with the logo conversion |
| 20:24:53 | tucoz | ok. good. |
| 20:24:59 | amiconn | The logo looks like a traced version from a bitmap to me |
| 20:25:17 | amiconn | A huge amount of nodes very hard to simplify |
| 20:25:19 | tucoz | no, but this is another issue. |
| 20:25:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It doesn't touch it really. It was a software codec update only. Just a little consolidation of talk_buffer_steal calls and a change in the format labels array. |
| 20:25:44 | amiconn | format labels array? |
| 20:25:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: In id3.c |
| 20:26:02 | preglow | anyone know how to make a macro that just eats every parameter it gets? i know about ..., but you can't use that to access the arguments, no? |
| 20:26:08 | tucoz | if you look at one of the links, you see what I mean. The svg looks good, but the eps/pdf looks like this. |
| 20:26:24 | jhMikeS | Now that holds labels, decoder fn, encoder fn, encoder ext for SWCODEC and just label for sw codec. |
| 20:26:32 | Mikachu | preglow: can't you just #define foo() |
| 20:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: It seems to work. I'm not sure if file-splitting is perfect yet. I'm having a hard time telling with my source. As well, .wv doesn't sound as good as 192 mp3, but again it could've just been a bad sounding portion of my source (which is unfortunately an XBox) |
| 20:26:49 | tucoz | bbl |
| 20:26:58 | preglow | Mikachu: example: how do i access the arguments then? |
| 20:26:59 | preglow | eh |
| 20:27:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: But digital recording worked fine, at least. |
| 20:27:03 | preglow | s/example:// |
| 20:27:25 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I didn't write the codecs...I had JdGordon test filesplitting and it worked, works on x5 too. |
| 20:27:47 | Mikachu | preglow: i don't think i understand what you want to do with the arguments if you want them to be eaten |
| 20:27:57 | preglow | Mikachu: eat was the wrong word to use, heh |
| 20:28:02 | amiconn | tucoz: Yes I know. This has something to do with the way the objects are placed |
| 20:28:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Well then I can confirm digital recording works fine. |
| 20:28:07 | jhMikeS | People can avoid WV atm if it's not so good |
| 20:28:13 | jhMikeS | cool |
| 20:29:12 | preglow | Mikachu: i basically want a printf like macro |
| 20:29:16 | jhMikeS | There should be no real change to iPods either since they can't record atm. |
| 20:29:28 | Mikachu | don't know how to do that |
| 20:29:43 | preglow | me neither |
| 20:29:47 | preglow | i don't need to pick apart the arguments |
| 20:29:58 | amiconn | preglow: Look at the DEBUGF() macro |
| 20:30:01 | preglow | everything between the ( ) will be used like a big string, really |
| 20:30:13 | jhMikeS | a printf like macro? #define PRINTF_MACRO(_x_) fn _x_ |
| 20:30:43 | jhMikeS | PRINTF_MACRO((param1, param2, ...)); |
| 20:30:46 | preglow | amiconn: that just does #define DEBUGF rb->debugf |
| 20:31:01 | amiconn | Ah, hmm... |
| 20:31:44 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 20:32:01 | preglow | amiconn: what i want to do is basically to wrap stuff like hehe->fprintf(stdio, "value: %i", myint) to FPRINTF("value: %i", myint); |
| 20:33:27 | jhMikeS | or...when you want code: #define PRINTF_MACRO fn |
| 20:33:43 | jhMikeS | PRINTF_MACRO(param1, param2) |
| 20:34:45 | jhMikeS | no code: #define PRINTF_MACRO while(0) { fn; }; or PRINTF_MACRO (0 ? (void) : (void)fn) |
| 20:35:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: that doesn't take a variable number of arguments |
| 20:35:14 | jhMikeS | It doesn't take any |
| 20:35:24 | preglow | oh, wait |
| 20:35:28 | preglow | i should read it in full :P |
| 20:35:43 | jhMikeS | I got a few typos in there |
| 20:36:17 | jhMikeS | 0 ? (void)0 : (void)fn |
| 20:36:19 | preglow | problem is, that won't work either |
| 20:36:30 | preglow | note that my function has a parameter i'll always want to pass |
| 20:36:44 | preglow | so i'd need #define PRINTF_MACRO fn(alwaysthesame, |
| 20:36:52 | preglow | but then i've got a parantheses problem |
| 20:37:12 | jhMikeS | Well then you'll just pass it...or do you want the compiler to make sure you have at lease one? |
| 20:37:27 | jhMikeS | It the function you're calling requires it, then it will error |
| 20:37:27 | preglow | i don't want to pass it explicitely :P it's always the same |
| 20:37:45 | preglow | i basically need to do #define MACRO ptr->function(ptr, 1, 2, 3, 4) etc |
| 20:38:03 | preglow | ptr is always the same, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc, i want to pass |
| 20:38:15 | jhMikeS | You can have a macro for each number of args MACRO1 (for 1 arg), MACRO2, MACRO3 ... |
| 20:38:20 | preglow | haha, yes |
| 20:38:20 | preglow | i can |
| 20:38:33 | preglow | there is a c99 preprocessor extension i can use, i see |
| 20:38:45 | preglow | but damn, i thought this'd be easy ;) |
| 20:39:24 | jhMikeS | There are some proposed extensions I've read about long ago that support varg macros |
| 20:39:31 | preglow | yep, those |
| 20:39:54 | rotator | if anyone wants to test out flac seeking, here's my patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5892 |
| 20:41:01 | jhMikeS | rotator: FLAC seeking would be nice... |
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| 20:41:28 | rotator | jhMikeS: then try it out and let me know if you find any bugs ;) |
| 20:42:21 | jhMikeS | Will do...I post comments to FS. |
| 20:42:55 | rotator | jhMikeS: thanks |
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| 20:53:44 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: can you test FS #2939 (Codec recordin) on any archos? I want to be sure it didn't mess up hw codec ports. |
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| 20:54:24 | Mmmm | jhMikes I don't have a HW codec player I'm afraid! |
| 20:55:12 | jhMikeS | Mmmm: Boo! |
| 20:55:20 | Mmmm | :D |
| 20:55:52 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: I have an OndioSP but I don't think this can help either (no recording/no radio) |
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| 20:57:02 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: hmmm...I dunno...could be sure it still works. It does change something in id3.c. |
| 20:58:05 | dionoea | hi |
| 20:58:13 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: So, I guess I can just test if the playback is not broken then? Is that useful for you? |
| 20:58:51 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: yes...thanks |
| 20:59:02 | dionoea | is it possible to monitor every pin on the ipod's connector within rockbox ? |
| 20:59:10 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: ok, wait |
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| 21:00:28 | jhMikeS | I'm also about to test the FLAC seeking by rotator |
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| 21:01:38 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: The file that is posted on 27 August? |
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| 21:02:32 | jhMikeS | ummm...the last one |
| 21:02:45 | webguest56 | hi guys! |
| 21:02:54 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: ok |
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| 21:03:47 | testerxxxx | hi guys! I from Russia, i have question |
| 21:03:54 | tucoz | shoot |
| 21:04:21 | testerxxxx | shoot come from?=) |
| 21:04:26 | tucoz | Just ask |
| 21:04:32 | testerxxxx | ok |
| 21:05:09 | testerxxxx | possible make mplayer for ipod nano with sound... work in progress, i think..? |
| 21:05:39 | tucoz | testerxxxx, yes. the mpegplayer is in development |
| 21:06:01 | testerxxxx | its good |
| 21:06:08 | tucoz | and will probably have sound sometime soon |
| 21:08:21 | Febs | linuxstb_: have you seen my thread on the RMAA comparisons? |
| 21:09:11 | testerxxxx | i see, when i want make bookmark in middle of large mp3 file (ex. about 1 hour), bookmark dont work, dont set |
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| 21:13:00 | jhMikeS | rotator: read my remarks in FS |
| 21:13:39 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: any luck? |
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| 21:14:04 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Compiled with no warnings... I'm about to test on target |
| 21:14:04 | tucoz | testerxxxx, I never use bookmarks myself. But maybe there is something written in the manual or if it is a bug, check flyspray. |
| 21:14:45 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: I did at least compile for all representative variations. :) |
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| 21:16:43 | jhMikeS | brb |
| 21:16:58 | freqmod_ | Updated speexsync, includes all available arm asm, introduces a few warnings: freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2 |
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| 21:17:23 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Playback works fine.. |
| 21:17:41 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Is there something specific you want me to check? |
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| 21:18:12 | Genre9mp3 | (besides recording of course) :P |
| 21:20:30 | freqmod_ | retested, and working on ipod video |
| 21:20:42 | rotator | jhMikeS: thanks for the comments, i'll look into them |
| 21:21:44 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: Well if you don't have recording and no radio then hw playback should be all. |
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| 21:22:33 | Siimors | maybe its a stupid question, but is it ok, if I plug my ipod to charge, then while charging it says that battery will last for ~2h, if I unplug it, it shows around 8h20mins |
| 21:22:34 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: ok |
| 21:23:04 | testerxxxx | What you think about *.pdf-viewer on ipod nano? Its possible? |
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| 21:23:44 | freqmod_ | testerxxx: maybe a pc program that processes the pdf to a "propretary" binary format, and then a viewer on rockbox |
| 21:24:17 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: What full model name do you have specifically? |
| 21:24:35 | * | jhMikeS is making a check list |
| 21:25:02 | Genre9mp3 | eeer.. Archos Ondio SP, that is |
| 21:25:06 | * | jhMikeS thanks all who are taking the time to test |
| 21:25:52 | Genre9mp3 | and in case you making a survey an iriver H340, too :D |
| 21:26:33 | * | Genre9mp3 thanks all who are taking the time to code |
| 21:27:05 | testerxxxx | but on linux have own pdf viewer, why this not develop for rockbox |
| 21:27:44 | jhMikeS | Got an H300 test and that went well |
| 21:27:53 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: cool |
| 21:28:08 | freqmod_ | well maybe, does it work on 80mHz (arm, not ix86_(64))? without a operating system..., but it may be possible, you could try to port one |
| 21:29:02 | jhMikeS | If it works on x5 it's pretty much that same as x5 the diff being uda1380 vs. tlv320 |
| 21:29:34 | testerxxxx | but i not coder |
| 21:29:48 | testerxxxx | i tester=) |
| 21:30:05 | jhMikeS | testerxxxx: do you like to test recording? what do you have? |
| 21:30:13 | linuxstb_ | testerxxxx: What do you mean "but on linux have own pdf viewer" ? |
| 21:30:39 | testerxxxx | i have ipod nano 1gb |
| 21:31:25 | testerxxxx | i mean pdf is open format as well as i know |
| 21:31:39 | jhMikeS | testerxxxx: that would be helpful I think...no recording yet but a quick playback check. FS #2939 |
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| 21:32:09 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: did it blow up yet? |
| 21:33:16 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: haha...no, don't worry |
| 21:33:19 | testerxxxx | yes i help to you... but how recording process on ipod nano ? |
| 21:33:26 | Genre9mp3 | I'll let you know if it is |
| 21:33:46 | linuxstb_ | testerxxxx: Yes, PDF is an open format, but that doesn't mean a PDF viewer for Rockbox would be easy, or that the Nano is physcially capable of the task. |
| 21:33:54 | jhMikeS | testerxxxx: linuxstb_ was about to resume that development I think |
| 21:34:11 | freqmod_ | linuxstb_: is there any released recording code for ipod? |
| 21:34:13 | preglow | of course it's physically capable |
| 21:34:17 | preglow | but it'd be a bloody nightmare to code |
| 21:35:23 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Technically I'm sure it's capable, but it would be unusable on a screen the size of the Nano. At least, I wouldn't want to use it. |
| 21:35:23 | testerxxxx | its very hard coded for ipod |
| 21:35:37 | * | jhMikeS is wondering how you'd read a pdf on a tiny screen like that...I need at least 1280x1024 at least for datasheets and 1800x1440 is even hardly enough |
| 21:35:41 | linuxstb_ | testerxxxx: As far as I know, the Nano has no recording hardware. |
| 21:35:47 | preglow | linuxstb_: god, no |
| 21:36:25 | testerxxxx | you must be resize mode=) |
| 21:36:34 | testerxxxx | you must use resize mode=) |
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| 21:36:46 | linuxstb_ | freqmod_: No, I haven't released anything ipod recording code yet. If I can find the time to resync to CVS (there have been quite a few recording-related changes recently), then I'll probably post a patch to flyspray. |
| 21:37:05 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Finished your Rockbox port yet? :) |
| 21:37:40 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: is there such thing as finished? |
| 21:37:53 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb_: What a nice question to make! :) |
| 21:38:00 | linuxstb_ | The port of Rockbox to the Player looks like it's finished... |
| 21:38:13 | linuxstb_ | (Archos Player) |
| 21:38:53 | jhMikeS | Finished is relative in coding or something that happens to you in Finland :) |
| 21:38:59 | barrywardell | i don have rockbox running though |
| 21:39:32 | linuxstb_ | I thought it was booting now though? |
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| 21:40:05 | barrywardell | yup, it's booting fully into Rockbox and buttons mostly working (except the scrollpad) |
| 21:40:19 | linuxstb | I assume sound doesn't work? |
| 21:40:23 | barrywardell | but sleep() is sleeping for a bit too long... |
| 21:40:35 | barrywardell | as in for ever! |
| 21:40:52 | linuxstb | Are interrupts enabled? |
| 21:41:26 | barrywardell | I think so. They're enabled in crt0.S, right? |
| 21:41:56 | preglow | freqmod_: no point in including the test* programs, no? |
| 21:42:51 | freqmod_ | no, no poin |
| 21:42:52 | freqmod_ | t |
| 21:42:59 | preglow | ltp_arm4.h:88: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register |
| 21:43:01 | freqmod_ | i din't remove it now ether |
| 21:43:01 | preglow | do you get those? |
| 21:43:03 | freqmod_ | yes |
| 21:43:04 | preglow | i get a zillion of them |
| 21:43:24 | preglow | what the hell are they? they sure won't look good on the build table |
| 21:43:52 | freqmod_ | look at this http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/2004-07/msg00010.html |
| 21:44:29 | jhMikeS | It means the match can't ever be placed in a register for some reason by gcc? |
| 21:44:29 | freqmod_ | it seems like it changes 1 to m |
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| 21:46:06 | freqmod_ | i think it is e.g. this line : "0" (x), "1" (y), "2" (sum1), "3" (sum2), "4" (len>>3) |
| 21:47:41 | freqmod_ | or somehow it uses variables not in the cache..., at least the code/file is not modified by me at all |
| 21:48:34 | preglow | i don't get it |
| 21:49:01 | freqmod_ | i don't know enough about gcc assembly, i am just reading google results |
| 21:49:41 | preglow | i don't even understand what the numeric constraints do |
| 21:49:43 | preglow | never used them |
| 21:49:50 | freqmod_ | it seems like it is a gcc4 thing |
| 21:50:21 | freqmod_ | the warning |
| 21:51:15 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: sound doesn't work yet. playing a mp3 just stays at 0 seconds elapsed. I think I need to get sleep() working before testing further though |
| 21:51:41 | testerxxxx | wow! i have crazy idea! We can make client ex. irc-client, mail-client an so on for ipod nano with connection computer for use comp as gate |
| 21:51:52 | freqmod_ | this may give a clue: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-m68k/2006/06/30/0000.html |
| 21:52:13 | freqmod_ | testerxxxx: and what would be the point when you have to connect to a computer? |
| 21:52:16 | dionoea | testerxxxx: you should join #ipodlinux |
| 21:52:25 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: how's it going? |
| 21:53:43 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Oh... do you want me to let it play? I shut it off a while ago |
| 21:54:14 | jhMikeS | I thought the explosion killed you...if it starts allright then it's fine |
| 21:55:27 | freqmod_ | maybe this is interresting: http://www.ictp.trieste.it/texi/gpp/gpp_31.html |
| 21:55:55 | Genre9mp3 | It starts ok... hopefully you didn't turn my Ondio into a bomb! :P |
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| 21:56:59 | jhMikeS | If I could do that...I'm sure I'd have plenty of work in the Middle East! :P |
| 21:57:27 | Rondom | ^ ... |
| 21:57:52 | preglow | hahah |
| 21:58:03 | preglow | i can turn lots of stuff cheaper than ondios into bombs |
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| 21:59:08 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Can you pass those stuff into an airplane though? Mwuhahahah! (evil laugh) |
| 21:59:35 | freqmod_ | preglow: or you could just disable ltp_arm4.h |
| 22:00 |
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| 22:00:45 | preglow | Genre9mp3: i'll sure try the next time i'm flying |
| 22:00:50 | preglow | freqmod_: i kinda want it, heh |
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| 22:01:07 | preglow | freqmod_: think i'll ask valin if he knows whats up |
| 22:01:33 | freqmod_ | yes do that, it is his code (i think) |
| 22:03:14 | * | jhMikeS checks off Archos Ondion SP |
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| 22:04:39 | * | jhMikeS is thinking iPod nano...:) |
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| 22:07:08 | jhMikeS | An iPod check and a hw (FM) recorder check is all that's keeping it out of CVS now |
| 22:08:03 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: What exactly did you change on recording? |
| 22:09:13 | jhMikeS | Toni's patch for codecs plus added an FM Radio source and the recording screen to the radio menu...plus misc. consolidation of code to neaten up the radio and recording screens. |
| 22:10:12 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Sounds nice |
| 22:10:33 | BigMac | jhMikeS i have an ipod but i thought it couldn't record anyway |
| 22:10:41 | Genre9mp3 | I would go ahead and let them complain after.. :) |
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| 22:11:10 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: So it's mp3 and wv direct recording, right? |
| 22:11:18 | jhMikeS | I don't wanna be banished from the land :) |
| 22:11:25 | jhMikeS | mp3, wv, wav |
| 22:11:43 | jhMikeS | I hope the encoder list fills up soon |
| 22:11:50 | Genre9mp3 | We already have wav :P |
| 22:12:52 | jhMikeS | but now it uses the wav_enc.codec to do it. |
| 22:13:55 | rretzbach | Did someone of you try the win32 UI simulator? |
| 22:14:12 | Genre9mp3 | Which is better I guess?... (forgive my ignorance) |
| 22:14:20 | rretzbach | I can't change the volume. |
| 22:14:30 | rretzbach | That doesn't matter much, but I wonder if this is known. |
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| 22:14:51 | jhMikeS | I'm damn sure it wont break archos recording...it doesn't change anything for it. Just moves calls to talk_buffer_steal into one function instead of repeating them before calling audio_set_recording_options |
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| 22:17:08 | Genre9mp3 | rretzbach: The buttons actually work, it's just the volume that remains on the same level |
| 22:21:44 | tucoz | anyone with a player around? |
| 22:21:55 | tucoz | that is, the archos player |
| 22:22:37 | tucoz | in that case, could that person take a look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5835 |
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| 22:25:27 | Genre9mp3 | Wow...now there is a nice option to see only developers in rasher's map! :) |
| 22:25:28 | Genre9mp3 | rasher.dk/rockbox/people/?onlydevs=yes#maptop">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/?onlydevs=yes#maptop |
| 22:27:56 | BigMac | anyone know what antoine jour's forum name is or if you are here speak up |
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| 22:32:17 | winston | hi |
| 22:32:42 | BigMac | hi |
| 22:34:20 | winston | when i flash my ipod nano with the rockbox firmware is there any chanche to get back to the original firmware in case anything gets fucked up? |
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| 22:34:45 | BigMac | you can always enter ap[ple firmware |
| 22:34:54 | BigMac | just hold menu when booting up |
| 22:35:08 | Genre9mp3 | Hmm... Europe has a 1:12,4 developers to users ratio while in North America this ratio is 1:21,75 |
| 22:35:14 | winston | ah kk thx |
| 22:35:15 | freqmod_ | you want 'flash' the ipod, so the standard rescue firmware is allways available, then you could use the ipod restore utillity from apple |
| 22:35:23 | freqmod_ | s/want/don't/ |
| 22:35:41 | winston | thanks guys |
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| 22:36:30 | BigMac | Genre9mp3:that is because most americans are lazy |
| 22:37:03 | Genre9mp3 | BigMac: Well, I just made the observation! ;) |
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| 22:40:41 | rretzbach | Too bad my player has only two colors :( |
| 22:40:54 | freqmod_ | preglow: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2006-January/004149.html (our asm warnings (I think)) |
| 22:40:54 | jhMikeS | BigMac: Hey now! |
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| 22:41:45 | freqmod_ | I think Jm-valin writes that it is only used in the encoder, but I am not shure which function he refers to |
| 22:41:59 | freqmod_ | j-m valin |
| 22:43:38 | preglow | hm |
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| 22:47:07 | tucoz | hey pixelma. Did you read the logs? |
| 22:47:12 | tucoz | *log |
| 22:47:31 | pixelma | not yet |
| 22:47:53 | tucoz | ok, the logos look weird when I convert to pdf |
| 22:48:29 | pixelma | I know I discovered that myself |
| 22:48:30 | tucoz | http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipod3g-front.pdf and http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipodcolor-front.pdf |
| 22:48:40 | tucoz | oh, good |
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| 22:49:14 | BigMac | what is the nanos screen sive? |
| 22:49:28 | BigMac | its half the size of the ipod right |
| 22:49:30 | BigMac | ipod video |
| 22:49:36 | coob | nope |
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| 22:49:41 | tucoz | 176x132x16 |
| 22:49:51 | tucoz | or do you mean physical dimensions? |
| 22:54:56 | BigMac | just the 176 by 132 |
| 22:54:58 | BigMac | thanks |
| 22:56:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: Rockbox on the Player is not yet finished. I have at least one more thing for it on my todo list |
| 22:56:30 | * | amiconn places an urgent request for a spare-time generator device :/ |
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| 22:57:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you place test builds somewhere? |
| 22:57:52 | * | amiconn hates flyspray for not diplaying versions and/or filedates for attached files |
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| 22:58:37 | amiconn | That was one thing where the old sourceforge tracker was way better |
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| 23:00:12 | amiconn | tucoz: The description of the player vkeyboard in the manual is _way_ outdated |
| 23:00:32 | tucoz | ok. So the reporters key presses are valid? |
| 23:00:47 | amiconn | yes |
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| 23:02:02 | tucoz | ok. good. |
| 23:02:26 | amiconn | On toggles between picker & line edit, -/+ moves back & forth in the selected line (picker of input line), Play picks character / acts as backspace in the input line, Long Play accepts, Stop cancels |
| 23:02:45 | amiconn | Ah, and Menu flips picker pages (or rather, lines in the case of the player) |
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| 23:16:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not yet |
| 23:16:54 | jhMikeS | What's the best set to post do you think? |
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| 23:25:46 | tucoz | amiconn, but the second table for the player. Is that outdated as well. The BACKSPACE, DELETE stuff. |
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| 23:26:17 | BigMac | anyone know the controls for a 5g in the ui simulator |
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| 23:27:33 | amiconn | tucoz: Yes, completely. The 'dynamic submenu' in the vkeyboard does no longer exist |
| 23:27:44 | tucoz | ah. good to know |
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| 23:28:03 | amiconn | This was one annoying thing. Very unintuitive. |
| 23:28:29 | dionoea | BigMac: they're very unintuitive. Best way to figure them out is look at the sdl sim source file |
| 23:28:48 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:29:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I don't know. I'm not even sure which file is your latest patch |
| 23:29:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no idea then? |
| 23:29:13 | dionoea | BigMac: i think that it involves left/right/space/F8 and insert |
| 23:29:16 | BigMac | im not building mine i just got the prebuilt |
| 23:29:26 | BigMac | alright thatnks |
| 23:29:51 | amiconn | I would give it a test on Ondio FM, but don't want to apply it to my working copy which already contains numerous changes |
| 23:29:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the last one |
| 23:30:09 | amiconn | And building on cygwin is sloo-ooow. |
| 23:30:16 | jhMikeS | I'll post Ondio FM... |
| 23:30:29 | amiconn | I am now actually looking into getting my favourite editor to run under wine |
| 23:30:29 | jhMikeS | I know it is...that's why I use vmware |
| 23:31:03 | BigMac | anyone here have a nano? |
| 23:31:26 | amiconn | Yeah, I would prefer that too (I even have the full vmware workstation), but up to now I didn't find a decent editor for linux (for my taste) |
| 23:31:40 | jhMikeS | testerxxxx does. |
| 23:31:41 | * | tucoz whispers emacs |
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| 23:31:52 | amiconn | tucoz: No way... |
| 23:32:03 | amiconn | I said 'decent' |
| 23:32:10 | amiconn | That auto-excludes text-mode |
| 23:32:36 | tucoz | I know what you mean. But I happen to love emacs. |
| 23:33:26 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:33:30 | preglow | auto-excludes textmode? |
| 23:33:42 | preglow | only way to get serious editing done |
| 23:34:10 | jhMikeS | TextPad for Windows is very nice if you use Windows |
| 23:34:13 | * | preglow whispers gvim |
| 23:34:24 | preglow | it's even got a gui |
| 23:34:28 | amiconn | I use ConTEXT. Didn't find a better editor |
| 23:34:52 | amiconn | It does everything I need & want - except that it doesn't support utf-8 yet |
| 23:34:53 | BigMac | why is there nothing on the start menu |
| 23:35:12 | preglow | i can pretty much guarantee you that either emacs or vim will do pretty much everything that does |
| 23:35:12 | jhMikeS | amiconn: What you use Linux, runnin Wine, running cygwin? |
| 23:35:15 | preglow | and more |
| 23:35:19 | preglow | so it's worth a try |
| 23:35:35 | amiconn | My most used machine is my WinXP laptop |
| 23:35:47 | amiconn | ...which has cygwin and vmware installed |
| 23:36:10 | jhMikeS | then vmware should be nice...I limit the memory to 48MB and that works nice |
| 23:36:14 | amiconn | I have a debian vm, also with the rockbox toolchains |
| 23:36:42 | amiconn | The vm has full gnome running, so it needs a decent amount of ram |
| 23:37:04 | amiconn | Then I also have an amd64 desktop, running debian |
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| 23:37:24 | amiconn | I rarely use it for interactive work |
| 23:37:42 | amiconn | It's mainly running dnetc, and acts as one of the distributed build boxes |
| 23:39:47 | jhMikeS | What's the diff between Archos Recorder and the v2? |
| 23:40:22 | amiconn | The v2 is the twin of the fm recorder, but without fm |
| 23:40:57 | amiconn | No need to test both, the rockbox binary is identical, apart from the scrambling |
| 23:41:38 | amiconn | The early v2s were in fact fm recorders in disguise, so if someone has such an early v2, he can use the fm radio with rockbox |
| 23:41:48 | amiconn | (but not with the of) |
| 23:43:15 | jhMikeS | :P |
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| 23:46:31 | amiconn | yay! ConTEXT actually works in wine :) |
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| 23:48:56 | jhMikeS | These gonna be a pretty big list of sample builds |
| 23:50:34 | jhMikeS | I'm just using the default for RAM size if that's no biggie |
| 23:52:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Finally got to play Doom on the x5. :) It was just the sound buffer in IRAM? |
| 23:52:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:52:45 | amiconn | That is, after Linus fixed the timer |
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| 23:53:06 | amiconn | It was pure luck that it worked on iriver |
| 23:53:14 | amiconn | (the sound buffer) |
| 23:53:53 | jhMikeS | What was broken with the timer...I saw that he changed it and the oops'ed it |
| 23:54:22 | amiconn | The 'oops' was because the fix was put in a wrong place |
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| 23:55:06 | amiconn | The deal with the timer is that there is a reset bit. If this bit is changed from 1 to 0 by a write, _all_ associated timer registers are cleared |
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| 23:56:13 | amiconn | That includes TMRn itself, i.e. setting the reset bit to 0 also clears all other bits in that register immediately, i.e. the just written value |
| 23:56:13 | jhMikeS | hmm |
| 23:57:12 | amiconn | So if the timer is reprogrammed from active to inactive, the reset bit has to be cleared first, _then_ the new value has to be written |
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| 23:57:33 | amiconn | On iriver there was no problem, but obviously the cowon bootloader enables the timer |
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| 23:58:58 | jhMikeS | so if you write zero to the reset bit while at the same time writing other values to the other bits, it still resets those bits instead of writing the intended value? |
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