| 00:00:11 | amiconn | That is, it only resets if you write zero to the reset bit and it wasn't already zero |
| 00:00:12 | jhMikeS | I don't know...it is reset after all...it's not documented or something? |
| 00:00:18 | amiconn | The transition is what matters |
| 00:00:35 | jhMikeS | so you write 1, then 0...then other stuf |
| 00:01:30 | amiconn | The fix is to just write 0 before writing the intended value |
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| 00:02:01 | jhMikeS | I got 6.53MB of test builds, think the forums will complain? |
| 00:02:08 | BigMac | %pb 11 11 164 |
| 00:02:19 | BigMac | which is the xy coordinate in that |
| 00:02:30 | amiconn | ...for a full restart. That was the cause for the 'oops' - the timer module allows on-the-fly cycle changes, in which case the timer shouldn't be reset |
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| 00:10:26 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...can't post those on the formum... |
| 00:12:56 | BigMac | anyone here have experience in making a wps |
| 00:13:02 | Bagder | jhMikeS: I can host files for you |
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| 00:17:56 | amiconn | Bagder: I have 6 hardware scans I'd like to upload somewhere... |
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| 00:18:58 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: BTW, did you received my scans? (mail) |
| 00:19:06 | Bagder | I did, thanks |
| 00:19:36 | Bagder | I'm slowly drowning in too much things to do... |
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| 00:26:55 | mirak | hey |
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| 00:28:38 | mirak | on the H300, do you lose a lot of speed when you do a multiplication from iram data instead of a register ? what is the difference ratio ? Is the iram some kind of cpu cache or is it different ? |
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| 00:31:27 | Bagder | iram is just internal sram which is faster than the sdram |
| 00:32:48 | mirak | ok |
| 00:32:50 | coob | anything in iram doesn't need to be cached |
| 00:32:58 | mirak | why ? |
| 00:33:08 | coob | because it's internal? |
| 00:33:15 | mirak | it's on the cpu ? |
| 00:33:30 | amiconn | coob: On coldfire there is no data cache anyway, only instruction cache |
| 00:33:40 | Bagder | iram doesn't generally imply non-cacheable, the term iram we use is simply that it is the internal ram |
| 00:33:43 | mirak | if I do a add (a0),d0 , is it slower than add d1,d0 ? |
| 00:33:46 | amiconn | That's why it is so important to use iram for ften used data |
| 00:34:33 | coob | sorry, thought you were talking about the ipod :X |
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| 00:35:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6152.msg47543#msg47543 |
| 00:35:33 | jhMikeS | It has ondio FM there |
| 00:35:36 | amiconn | mirak: Yes it is slower - because the instruction execution time is longer, even though iram is single-cycle and 32bit |
| 00:37:38 | mirak | can it be faster to do load a word to iram or register then do an operation like multiplication, instead of doing the multiplication like (a0) acces ? |
| 00:38:19 | * | amiconn recommends Section 3.6 thru 3.10 in MCF5249UM.pdf |
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| 00:39:05 | amiconn | SDRAM access is another story. |
| 00:39:05 | Bagder | mirak: they sole purpose of registers is that they are faster to use than to use memory |
| 00:39:23 | Bagder | for all cpu archs actually ;-) |
| 00:41:24 | mirak | I was wondering if move (a0),d0 mul d0,d1 could be faster than doing mul (a0),d1 |
| 00:46:00 | barrywardell | Bagder: how were you thinking the bootloader/rockbox firmware should be implemented on Sansa/H10? Would you use the standard mi4 format for rockbox.bin and use the crc32 in that as the checksum? |
| 00:46:15 | mirak | amiconn: did you use pipelining ? |
| 00:47:13 | Bagder | barrywardell: I haven't really thought about it yet, but I think I'd rather re-use one of the methods already in use by the h[13]x0 and x5 ports |
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| 00:48:30 | barrywardell | ok. thanks. |
| 00:48:39 | Soap | is Febs asleep at this hour? |
| 00:49:51 | scorche | Soap: Febs is in the US, so i doubt he would be asleep |
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| 00:50:15 | Soap | thanks |
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| 00:50:34 | mirak | that's really a shame we can't use immediate data on the mac |
| 00:56:06 | * | lorijho is proud to announce that barrywardell and him are one step closer to having Rockbox fully working on H10. RTC works! |
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| 00:57:48 | Bagder | lorijho: great! |
| 00:58:56 | lorijho | Bagder: yep |
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| 01:07:53 | * | amiconn just found out what the 'unknown config bit' of the PP timer does :) |
| 01:08:26 | amiconn | It switches counting direction, i.e. setting it makes the counter count down |
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| 02:08:14 | Bunkey | how do i fully uninstall rockbox from ipod? |
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| 02:09:59 | rotator | Bunkey: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Uninstallation_and_Upgrade_instr |
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| 02:10:07 | linuxstb_ | Bunkey: Did you keep a backup of the bootpartition.bin file you extracted from your ipod during the installation? |
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| 02:10:31 | Bunkey | yup |
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| 02:10:56 | linuxstb_ | Bunkey: Then you can follow the link rotator posted. |
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| 02:11:01 | Bunkey | ok thx |
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| 02:11:17 | Bunkey | still no fix to ipod battery right? |
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| 02:14:33 | rotator | Bunkey: battery life is still shorter than with the original firmware for ipods |
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| 02:18:35 | Bunkey | ok, i'll have rockbox back when its improved, right now its way too short |
| 02:18:44 | Bunkey | had some fun with it tho :) |
| 02:19:15 | linuxstb_ | Which ipod do you have? |
| 02:19:26 | Bunkey | photo/color |
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| 02:20:19 | Bunkey | rockbox last abt 3hr on mine, sometimes shorter if freeze |
| 02:20:40 | [San] | how long does it last on original firmware? |
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| 02:21:46 | Bunkey | cant remember, i usually dont recharge daily with origianl firmware |
| 02:22:02 | linuxstb_ | Bunkey: I get about 5-6 hours with my FLAC files on my Photo. |
| 02:22:22 | Bunkey | linuxtb_, do u freeze often? |
| 02:22:58 | linuxstb_ | No. |
| 02:23:41 | Bunkey | hmmm, i get few freeze and more shut down by itself |
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| 02:24:03 | Bunkey | once it freeze, it suck alot of battery juice... |
| 02:24:23 | Soap | wow, only 5-6 hours. You need a new battery. |
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| 02:24:50 | linuxstb_ | Soap: Why do you say that? What are you comparing it to? |
| 02:25:21 | Soap | 5-6 hours on a photo? I was getting 10 on my used one in OF. |
| 02:25:49 | linuxstb_ | I don't have the OF. |
| 02:25:57 | Soap | nevermind, I misread the conversation. I thought Bunkey was saying 5-6 in OF, not you saying 5-6 w/FLAC. |
| 02:26:03 | Soap | I am going blind, sorry. |
| 02:26:24 | Soap | I thought he was saying 3 in RB, 5-6 in OF. My bad 100% |
| 02:26:37 | Bunkey | OF?? |
| 02:26:42 | linuxstb_ | Bunkey: If it freezes, you should reset it. |
| 02:26:44 | Soap | (original firmware) |
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| 02:27:43 | Bunkey | hows the batterylife compare to ipodlinux? |
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| 02:28:40 | linuxstb_ | It should be better - Rockbox runs the CPU at a lower speed when it can, IPL runs it at a constant 75MHz. But it all depends what you are doing on your ipod. |
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| 02:29:26 | linuxstb_ | If you're playing games, then battery life will be short - you've got the backlight on constantly, and probably running the CPU at fullspeed. |
| 02:29:37 | Bunkey | i play apple loseless most of time... |
| 02:29:40 | billytwowilly | IPL? |
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| 02:31:27 | linuxstb_ | Bunkey: You would get better battery life with FLAC - it's a much more efficient codec than Apple lossless (in Rockbox). |
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| 02:32:53 | Bunkey | thats probably why |
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| 02:57:37 | arp | anyone running rockbox on a 3g ipod? I'm playing some vbr mp3's, and it has very choppy playback. |
| 02:58:15 | Mikachu | 3g is not expected to play realtime quite yet |
| 02:59:12 | arp | ahh |
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| 03:05:36 | arp | ayup, right there in the faq |
| 03:14:35 | JdGordon | does the wps allow you to have a more interesting progress display than a horizontal line? |
| 03:14:52 | sharpe | a really wide horizontal line. |
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| 03:15:07 | Mikachu | you can do a lot of stuff with a horizontal line, http://toykeeper.net/tmp/TKX5b-5.png |
| 03:15:40 | JdGordon | haha thats cool |
| 03:16:33 | scorche | ooo...cool indeed |
| 03:17:40 | scorche | hmm...havent seen that one before.. |
| 03:17:49 | sharpe | i have. |
| 03:18:00 | * | scorche sighs |
| 03:26:02 | billytwowilly | hey, does the wps mod more than just the while playing screen? |
| 03:26:39 | scorche | wps *is* the while playing screen |
| 03:26:44 | Mikachu | hence the name |
| 03:26:45 | scorche | are you referring to themes? |
| 03:27:47 | billytwowilly | yah, but there is also the file viewing/picking screen right? does it mod that too? |
| 03:28:02 | scorche | themes can |
| 03:28:43 | scorche | Mikachu: where did you find that ss?....i looked all over in the wiki |
| 03:29:53 | Mikachu | scorche: ToyKeeper has plugged it a few times |
| 03:30:05 | Mikachu | it's in progress i think |
| 03:34:53 | Soap | it IS the most inventive progress bar IMHO. |
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| 03:36:41 | Musicman | So, after an hour of searching Im compelled to ask ... where are the instructions for the rockbox and the dual loader on an iAudio X5L? <_< |
| 03:38:55 | scorche | Musicman: not quite sure what you want...instructions to do what exactly? |
| 03:39:28 | Musicman | yeah, I have it downloaded and have no idea what todo with it :P |
| 03:39:47 | scorche | Musicman: have you read the manual? |
| 03:39:58 | Musicman | Its missing the dualboot section |
| 03:40:42 | Febs | Soap, thanks for the PM. Very very interesting. |
| 03:41:31 | * | jhMikeS doesn't thinks for the most part the ones who's players that recording patch doesn't give features to aren't going to bother with testing any of the bins. Maybe he's too cynical? |
| 03:41:41 | Musicman | So would there be instructions on loading the dualboot elsewhere? =/ |
| 03:43:19 | * | scorche hands Musicman off to Febs |
| 03:43:42 | * | Febs looks away and whistles inconspicuously. |
| 03:43:48 | Musicman | <_< |
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| 03:47:06 | scorche | Musicman: sorry...but i am not too familiar with the iaudio port...if you wait around though, i am sure that someone who is will come around |
| 03:47:26 | Febs | The bootloader installation instructions are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
| 03:47:49 | Febs | I don't know whether dual boot is supported yet, at least not officially. |
| 03:48:18 | jhMikeS | It works nicely except the timed presses need improvement |
| 03:48:33 | Musicman | oh ok, thanks febs |
| 03:48:55 | * | scorche wonders if they waited before answering on purpose... |
| 03:50:29 | jhMikeS | **** ***** ** *******. |
| 03:52:01 | Mikachu | e? |
| 03:52:21 | Musicman | If I run into "complications" on this will I lose all of my data? |
| 03:52:29 | jhMikeS | *******: ****? |
| 03:52:56 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: are we playing hangman here? |
| 03:53:17 | jhMikeS | ** y** *a** t*. |
| 03:53:35 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 03:55:21 | Musicman | It worked :) |
| 03:55:27 | * | Musicman installs rockbox now |
| 03:55:29 | jhMikeS | *y *e****** *s *******. I'll stop it. |
| 03:58:05 | Musicman | errrg |
| 03:58:20 | Musicman | its saying "Loading Firmware" "Result -1" |
| 03:58:52 | Mikachu | i think that's the "you forgot to unzip rockbox.zip" error |
| 03:59:26 | scorche | well, absence of the file and/or folder |
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| 04:00:58 | Musicman | no, its definetly on there |
| 04:01:14 | Musicman | D:\.rockbox |
| 04:01:45 | Mikachu | and the file rockbox.something? |
| 04:01:48 | Musicman | D:\rockbox.iaudio |
| 04:02:03 | Musicman | mhm, both on the root folder |
| 04:02:06 | * | scorche runs off to go make some guacamole |
| 04:02:29 | Musicman | this is an X5L if that makes a difference |
| 04:03:01 | Mikachu | no idea |
| 04:03:20 | * | Musicman sighs |
| 04:04:04 | jhMikeS | no difference |
| 04:09:43 | Musicman | >_< |
| 04:09:55 | Musicman | Has anyone here used rockbox with an iaudio? |
| 04:10:01 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 04:10:11 | jhMikeS | A time or two |
| 04:10:20 | Musicman | did you use the dualboot loader that febs linked? |
| 04:10:25 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 04:10:29 | Musicman | and it worked? |
| 04:10:34 | jhMikeS | very well yes |
| 04:10:54 | Musicman | then you just copied the rockbox files into the root and it was all good? |
| 04:10:59 | jhMikeS | Used the latest fw from iAudio |
| 04:11:14 | jhMikeS | Extracted the zip to the root |
| 04:11:51 | Musicman | oooh |
| 04:12:02 | Musicman | ok, ill try upgrading the fw |
| 04:12:35 | Soap | Febs, thanks for holding the "audiophile" up to the heat of a ABX test. |
| 04:12:47 | Soap | You did all the work, I'm curious if he even replies. |
| 04:13:30 | Febs | Thanks. It was a put-up-or-shut-up moment. :) |
| 04:13:48 | Musicman | nope :( |
| 04:14:29 | blx | Febs, oh. i'd like to know what that was about |
| 04:14:37 | jhMikeS | Where's the tool located again? |
| 04:14:47 | * | Musicman doesnt understand whats wrong here >=/ |
| 04:15:14 | Febs | blx: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6139.0 |
| 04:17:12 | jhMikeS | Musicman: You patched crt0.S? |
| 04:19:13 | Musicman | jh: what do you mean? I just installed the firmware from the iaudio's site then reinstalled the bootloader and it wouldnt work |
| 04:20:10 | jhMikeS | You need to patch the build and make the mkboot-x5 utility |
| 04:20:31 | jhMikeS | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289 |
| 04:20:42 | jhMikeS | May 12th version |
| 04:22:12 | midkay | graaah, filefront isn't accepting my ziiiip.. entirely offtopic: does anybody here happen to have like 10mb of webspace they can spare? i need to put something online.. |
| 04:22:30 | Musicman | ok, the instructions given are very murky though <_< |
| 04:22:43 | Mikachu | midkay: sure |
| 04:23:01 | midkay | Mikachu: excellent, can i send you a file to host? |
| 04:23:09 | Mikachu | what is it? |
| 04:23:48 | Musicman | jhMikeS: It asks to have the c file in "tools", what is tools? is it a directory or something |
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| 04:24:13 | midkay | Mikachu: a zip of a hl2dm map. |
| 04:24:21 | Mikachu | heh, okay |
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| 04:27:27 | jhMikeS | Musicman: you have to get your own CVS copy and make a custom build. There's plenty of resources in the wiki. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 04:27:48 | jhMikeS | It's not an integral part of rb for x5 yet |
| 04:28:00 | Musicman | ahh ok, Im new (as you know) to this :) |
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| 08:15:00 | daurn|laptop | yo |
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| 08:15:09 | daurn|laptop | damn |
| 08:15:15 | Mikachu | are you trying to get kickbanned? |
| 08:15:45 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:16:04 | daurn|laptop | its a space invader ;) |
| 08:16:15 | Mikachu | if you notice, this channel is +c |
| 08:16:18 | Mikachu | so it's a lot of white # |
| 08:16:22 | daurn|laptop | oh crap |
| 08:16:24 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 08:16:39 | daurn|laptop | sorry |
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| 08:21:40 | billytwowilly | ? |
| 08:22:01 | billytwowilly | so you mean the ### is actually something he tried to paste here? |
| 08:22:07 | amiconn | Mikachu: white # ? |
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| 08:28:18 | Mikachu | i guess in some clients they would be black? |
| 08:28:47 | amiconn | ahem |
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| 08:29:18 | * | amiconn keeps forgetting that there are people still using the weird negative text display (white on black) |
| 08:29:40 | midkay_ | weird?!? |
| 08:29:41 | JdGordon | some people are just wierd! |
| 08:29:41 | Bagder | colors don't belong in IRC anyway |
| 08:29:44 | * | midkay_ likes it |
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| 08:29:52 | scorche | amiconn: white on black is easier on the eyes |
| 08:30:00 | Mikachu | white background is so bright |
| 08:30:18 | amiconn | My experience is the opposite |
| 08:30:27 | Mikachu | that black is so bright? :) |
| 08:30:30 | amiconn | I can read black text on white bg for hours |
| 08:30:32 | scorche | look up studies... |
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| 08:35:30 | Mikachu | my irc client is quite colorful http://mikachu.ath.cx/now.png :) |
| 08:35:47 | Mikachu | and no, i don't usually have that clock there |
| 08:36:10 | Bagder | hehe |
| 08:38:00 | daurn|laptop | hey Bagder |
| 08:39:24 | Bagder | and it stopped there? |
| 08:39:35 | Mikachu | what stopped where? |
| 08:39:45 | Bagder | that hey |
| 08:40:13 | Mikachu | ah, maybe a hey as in hello |
| 08:40:46 | daurn|laptop | ? |
| 08:41:13 | daurn|laptop | is more of a "how are you going with the Dm320 talk with neuros?" hey |
| 08:41:27 | Bagder | it goes just like it usually goes |
| 08:41:53 | Bagder | nothing new but there's nothing new to expect in a long while I'd say |
| 08:42:24 | daurn|laptop | what was that in the neuros google group about lack of docs/nda problems |
| 08:42:49 | Bagder | just the usual TI-has-all-docs-hidden paranoia |
| 08:42:59 | daurn|laptop | i have them |
| 08:43:06 | daurn|laptop | - if you want |
| 08:43:07 | Bagder | then you're lucky |
| 08:46:12 | Bagder | I'm sure dm320 hackers will be interested |
| 08:46:44 | daurn|laptop | its how we got sound working on the archos402 |
| 08:46:45 | daurn|laptop | :s |
| 08:47:04 | Bagder | did you program the dsp to get sound? |
| 08:47:11 | daurn|laptop | yes |
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| 08:49:07 | Bagder | that's cool indeed |
| 08:49:16 | daurn|laptop | i know |
| 08:49:17 | daurn|laptop | ;) |
| 08:49:40 | Bagder | you used the gnu assembler? |
| 08:50:12 | daurn|laptop | no idea |
| 08:50:18 | daurn|laptop | somone else did it |
| 08:50:22 | daurn|laptop | and sent me the result |
| 08:50:31 | daurn|laptop | - i also have the docs |
| 08:51:49 | Bagder | but yes, TI requires you to sign an NDA to get that docs |
| 08:52:35 | daurn|laptop | not when found online |
| 08:52:44 | Bagder | :-) |
| 08:53:10 | JdGordon | sounds like legal grey area... |
| 08:54:23 | daurn|laptop | we found a clump of words together on the internet |
| 08:54:36 | daurn|laptop | - how is that illegel? |
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| 08:54:46 | daurn|laptop | - WE didn't sign the NDA |
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| 08:55:04 | Mikachu | can you copyright docs? |
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| 09:00:17 | daurn|laptop | of course |
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| 09:11:32 | Daemonicus | hi |
| 09:11:48 | Daemonicus | who do I speak to to gain write access to the twiki? |
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| 09:16:36 | midkay | one of us! |
| 09:16:41 | midkay | what's your wiki name? |
| 09:17:22 | midkay | Daemonicus. wake up. |
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| 09:20:22 | Daemonicus | DavidBrickell |
| 09:20:35 | Daemonicus | sorry wife was nagging me :) |
| 09:20:49 | midkay | haha, no problem. :) |
| 09:21:15 | midkay | try editing a page now. |
| 09:21:19 | Daemonicus | thx |
| 09:21:48 | Daemonicus | yeah that given me access thx |
| 09:21:59 | midkay | sure, np. |
| 09:22:03 | Daemonicus | just got to read through the posting protocols again :) |
| 09:23:05 | midkay | protocols? we have those? :) |
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| 09:24:33 | Daemonicus | my first time using a wiki so... |
| 09:25:07 | midkay | ah, sure.. any questions, holler :) |
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| 09:29:40 | Jason_ | eGen_: from where are you? CZ? |
| 09:29:52 | eGen_ | yes |
| 09:29:54 | eGen_ | hello |
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| 09:29:58 | Jason_ | lol :D |
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| 09:31:01 | Jason_ | eGen_: im from sk :) |
| 09:31:14 | eGen_ | muzeme se klidne bavit i rusky :o) |
| 09:31:33 | Jason_ | rusky neumim |
| 09:31:42 | Bagder | please use english in here |
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| 09:38:53 | ootput | on my ipod mini (1g), when i 'write .cfg', the target is always a new .cfg file. Which cfg file (if any) does rockbox read by default, and is there a way to _always_ overwrite existing config files? |
| 09:39:58 | ootput | despite writing to a cfg file, the changes made don't seem to stick when i power-off/on the device |
| 09:40:53 | Bagder | writing to a cfg doesn't make them get used on next boot |
| 09:41:12 | Bagder | but it sounds like you boot with hold on or whatever it is that clears the settings on ipod |
| 09:42:27 | ootput | Bagder: is there a way for a cfg to be sourced on next boot? |
| 09:42:42 | ootput | Bagder: or at least, to make my settings-changes stick for future use? |
| 09:42:47 | Bagder | the config that is used is stored in a sector on disk |
| 09:42:56 | Bagder | settings always stick |
| 09:43:16 | Bagder | which is why I think you someone clear your settings on start |
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| 09:43:21 | Bagder | somehow |
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| 09:44:52 | ootput | I've never had hold-on when booting, though I've booted into disk-mode on several occasions |
| 09:44:56 | ootput | could that be the reason? |
| 09:45:11 | Daemonicus``` | thanks midkay everything worked fine (apart from a computer crash half way through) :) |
| 09:45:18 | Bagder | ootput: It shouldn't, no |
| 09:45:29 | midkay | Daemonicus: cool, no problem.. :) |
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| 09:51:42 | ootput | Bagder: this is a rather old rockbox build, i'll try out the daily |
| 09:52:16 | Bagder | a good idea |
| 09:52:37 | ootput | is a simple unzip still all that's required? |
| 09:52:44 | Bagder | yeps |
| 09:52:46 | ootput | or has some voodoo worked it's way into the picture |
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| 10:12:44 | barrywardell | ootput: I think the ipod bootloader has changed a little recently. It might be necessary to update that too |
| 10:16:05 | * | Bagder detects some nice h10 commits |
| 10:16:29 | Bagder | oh |
| 10:16:37 | Bagder | I also see that the FM build is red |
| 10:17:05 | Bagder | barrywardell: you think it makes sense to add a h10 bootloader to the cvs table? |
| 10:17:14 | barrywardell | well it works |
| 10:17:20 | barrywardell | as the normal h10 build |
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| 10:18:45 | barrywardell | is that the way you were thinking the bootloader should work? It's basically the same as the ipod one. only a few small differences |
| 10:19:49 | ootput | ooh, i just got a handmedown micro-stack |
| 10:19:52 | LinusN | time to buy an h10 :-) |
| 10:19:53 | ootput | how nice! |
| 10:20:05 | ootput | shame i'll need a dock for my ipod |
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| 10:21:06 | Bagder | barrywardell: yes I think that makes sense |
| 10:21:26 | Bagder | so can you start rockbox now? |
| 10:21:28 | LinusN | ootput: a guitar amp? |
| 10:23:50 | barrywardell | Bagder: yes rockbox starts |
| 10:24:04 | barrywardell | buttons work except the scrollpad |
| 10:24:04 | ootput | LinusN: hehe, no. http://www.headphone.com/products/headphone-amps/the-micro-line/ |
| 10:24:07 | Bagder | that's supercool |
| 10:24:17 | barrywardell | lorijho has it running on the 5gb model too |
| 10:24:20 | ootput | LinusN: makes for superb output on portable players |
| 10:24:47 | barrywardell | no sound yet though |
| 10:24:54 | ootput | where portable involves a camera pouch :) |
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| 10:25:52 | * | Bagder adds h10 normal and h10 boot to the cvs build table |
| 10:26:09 | * | LinusN celebrates with the famous new-target dance |
| 10:26:25 | * | barrywardell does the dance too |
| 10:26:51 | Bagder | barrywardell: just let me know when you think it makes sense to provide zips for download, or even daily builds |
| 10:27:58 | barrywardell | will do Bagder. Probably once we have sound working and the scrollpad figured out |
| 10:29:37 | ootput | barrywardell: is there a changelog for the ipod bootloader update? |
| 10:30:11 | barrywardell | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/bootloader/ipod.c.diff?r1=1.16&r2=1.17 |
| 10:30:21 | ootput | cheers mate |
| 10:31:19 | barrywardell | ootput: also this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755 |
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| 10:45:59 | daurn|laptop | re |
| 10:48:25 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 10:48:34 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:48:35 | amiconn | Already tried doom on the X5? :) |
| 10:48:54 | LinusN | nope |
| 10:49:12 | markun | barrywardell: congratulations! |
| 10:49:17 | daurn|laptop | doom is good |
| 10:49:18 | daurn|laptop | :P |
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| 10:50:22 | barrywardell | thanks markun. lorijho deserves congratulations too. he's been working on the H10 port with me |
| 10:51:20 | markun | Let's hope the gigabeat can deliver good news too sometime soon :) |
| 10:51:37 | tucoz | Bagder, do you think you can run manual builds for the ondios and the ipods. I somehow broke them yesterday, but it should work now. |
| 10:53:39 | Bagder | does it really matter for just one day? |
| 10:54:41 | tucoz | no. But pixelma wanted to check the ondio changes I made. |
| 10:54:51 | Bagder | barrywardell: what's the resulting output file name for the normal build and the bootloader build? h10 that is |
| 10:55:21 | Bagder | I had them wrong why they end up red in the table |
| 10:55:23 | barrywardell | rockbox.h10 for the normal build |
| 10:55:40 | barrywardell | for bootloader, bootloader/bootloader.bin |
| 10:56:03 | barrywardell | you have to run mkmi4.sh manually to build the mi4 file from the bootloader |
| 10:56:12 | Bagder | oh |
| 10:56:23 | Bagder | why manually? |
| 10:57:33 | barrywardell | i couldn't figure out how to use a different build tool for bootloader and normal |
| 10:57:39 | Bagder | aha |
| 10:57:45 | barrywardell | normal uses scramble |
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| 11:00:42 | bluebrother | tucoz, the html versions are working up to the point where the error occured. |
| 11:00:51 | tucoz | bluebrother, ok. good |
| 11:01:06 | tucoz | that is in the plugins then |
| 11:01:06 | bluebrother | seems to be somewhere in the plugins / wavplay. |
| 11:01:15 | tucoz | yes. I fixed those errors |
| 11:01:31 | bluebrother | not that this is good but at least it is something for the users to read ;-) |
| 11:02:45 | tucoz | yes. And the old versions are still around at download.rockbox.org |
| 11:04:55 | Bagder | barrywardell: if no one else does it, I'll probably work on getting a separate scramble tool for the bootloader later on |
| 11:05:43 | amiconn | Does the h10 bootloader handle dual boot? |
| 11:05:55 | amiconn | If not, I don't understand why a bootloader is necessary at all |
| 11:05:58 | barrywardell | cool. If you don't get a chance, I might make one myself |
| 11:06:23 | Bagder | I actually added some comments/docs in the configure just now |
| 11:06:30 | Bagder | to explain the variables set per target |
| 11:06:53 | barrywardell | amiconn: It does in theory, but at the moment the iriver firmware freezes during startup using the bootloader |
| 11:07:24 | barrywardell | and without using the bootloader, I couldn't get rockbox to start at all |
| 11:07:58 | barrywardell | I haven't found a reason for both of those problems |
| 11:08:18 | amiconn | Both sound like init problems |
| 11:09:13 | amiconn | The iriver firmware probably doesn't like one of the changes the bootloader does to the hardware status, and main rockbox is probably missing some init the bootloader is doing |
| 11:09:41 | barrywardell | yes probably. But myself and lorijho searched and searched and couldn't find an answer |
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| 11:18:36 | webguest50 | where are the fonts for rockbox ? |
| 11:18:45 | webguest50 | there are not in the zip |
| 11:18:49 | tucoz | webguest50, http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 11:18:51 | webguest50 | not in |
| 11:19:02 | tucoz | check the font package |
| 11:19:07 | webguest50 | oh |
| 11:19:09 | tucoz | on that page |
| 11:19:17 | bluebrother | webguest50, at the end of the devices table |
| 11:19:33 | webguest50 | there are not longer in the taget zip ? |
| 11:19:34 | webguest50 | why ? |
| 11:19:38 | webguest50 | too big ? |
| 11:19:39 | bluebrother | because of file size |
| 11:20:01 | bluebrother | they don't change often so it usually doesn't make sense updating them regularly. |
| 11:20:08 | webguest50 | ok |
| 11:20:10 | bluebrother | thus they are only updated on changes. |
| 11:20:13 | webguest50 | sorry for the questions |
| 11:20:17 | bluebrother | np |
| 11:20:28 | webguest50 | i didn't update my rockbox since a long time |
| 11:20:33 | tucoz | thanks Bagder (happend to notice that the manuals gets built) :) |
| 11:20:34 | webguest50 | thx |
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| 11:22:17 | Bagder | they're in progress, they're not on the download server yet |
| 11:22:20 | Bagder | since they're built on the main server and need to be rsynced over to to download.* |
| 11:23:02 | barrywardell | The first four instructions of the h10 of are: |
| 11:23:05 | barrywardell | mov ip, r0 |
| 11:23:05 | barrywardell | mov fp, #1792 ; 0x700 |
| 11:23:06 | barrywardell | mov r8, r2 |
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| 11:23:06 | barrywardell | mov r9, r3 |
| 11:23:10 | tucoz | cool. |
| 11:23:27 | barrywardell | does that mean it expects special values in r0, r2 and r3? |
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| 11:24:05 | Bagder | it certainly looks like that |
| 11:24:45 | barrywardell | possibly stuff from the mi4 header - filesize, etc |
| 11:25:25 | barrywardell | i suspect that's why it freezes. does that sound plausable? |
| 11:25:40 | Bagder | sure |
| 11:26:58 | barrywardell | I'll have to root through the bootloader to find them |
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| 11:36:30 | amiconn | Bagder: I noticed your configure changes. Just one remark - don't renumber the targets (yet) |
| 11:36:51 | amiconn | The plugin loader currently uses the target id number to check the correct target |
| 11:37:11 | amiconn | We should probably uses the 4-char target name there as well |
| 11:38:21 | amiconn | On a related note - I had no problem with the long single-column list |
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| 11:38:55 | daurn|laptop | what manufactuers make lcd screens? |
| 11:39:02 | daurn|laptop | sharp, samsung... who else |
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| 11:49:14 | tucoz | daurn|laptop, check the wiki for clues. I mean, you can see what the current rockbox targets use. |
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| 12:00:50 | amiconn | LinusN: Regarding the lcd access time - do you think it is important to adhere both to the minimum low-pulse width and the minimum high-pulse width, or should it be sufficient to match the minimum cycle-time? |
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| 12:22:30 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm not sure which phase is the most important |
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| 12:30:25 | LinusN | amiconn: nice catch with the IRAM bug |
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| 12:32:12 | Mikachu | 12:30:25 <LinusN> amiconn: nice catch with the IRAM bug |
| 12:32:57 | amiconn | LinusN: On a related note - if the high-pulse width isn't that important, it could be possible to use HWM mode by enabling burst writes on the lcd port |
| 12:33:49 | amiconn | This should stop the bus controller from updating the address bus everytime. But then we need to make sure to write a whole line burst (i.e. 4 registers == 8 pixels) at once |
| 12:34:13 | LinusN | last time i tried that, it failed miserably because i couldn't meet the high-pulse requirement |
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| 12:49:00 | XavierGr | wow Febs did a fine job shutting the mouth of some members on the sound quality issue |
| 12:49:13 | XavierGr | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6139.0 |
| 12:50:05 | XavierGr | I hope that we will not hear again golden quotes such as "Rockbox sounds like a bag of shit!" :D |
| 12:50:55 | midkay | that's like the second time i've heard that today, maybe that thread is worth reading.. |
| 12:51:17 | midkay | haha. bag of shit. that's hilarious.. how can something sound like a bag of shit? bags of shit don't really make noise or sound like anything. :) |
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| 12:51:55 | XavierGr | midkay I suggest that you read the goldenquotes wiki page |
| 12:52:05 | XavierGr | a very interesting page I must say |
| 12:52:11 | midkay | XavierGr: i have, and i know what you're talking about. :) |
| 12:52:16 | midkay | just whoever said it in the first place is pretty stupid. :) |
| 12:52:35 | XavierGr | oh and I made that thread a sticky for the time being. I want all the world to see at Febs' results! |
| 12:52:58 | XavierGr | I am really annoyed debating if rockbox sounds the same as OF |
| 12:53:07 | midkay | i don't get much out of that thread... |
| 12:53:22 | midkay | some graphs and debate about "imaging" and crap.. |
| 12:53:35 | XavierGr | well the conclusion is that Rockbox sounds the same with OF |
| 12:53:48 | XavierGr | there are some differences but are quite inaudible |
| 12:53:58 | XavierGr | the graphs are quite the same |
| 12:54:22 | midkay | right.. |
| 12:54:36 | XavierGr | you can't imagine how many times I have discussed this in MR |
| 12:55:08 | XavierGr | many members that think they are audio freaks say they can tell which firmware is which |
| 12:55:12 | Mikachu | if you don't like discussing it, why do you? :) |
| 12:55:13 | midkay | yeah, lots of complainers.. |
| 12:55:41 | XavierGr | though... none of them has been under an ABX test! |
| 12:55:53 | midkay | mostly the guys that are like "i want SRS WOW and 3D audio effects" from the original firmware that just mutilate the sound.. |
| 12:56:13 | XavierGr | and crap like this, yeah :P |
| 12:57:03 | midkay | haha. "ooh, a reverb effect.. this is awesome.. rockbox sound sucks!" :) |
| 12:57:12 | midkay | i can't possibly imagine enjoying that.. |
| 12:57:59 | Mikachu | combine with gps and add reverb when driving through a tunnel |
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| 13:00:58 | markun | XavierGr: omendelovitz didn't do the ABX test yet, so don't you think your conclusion is a bit early? |
| 13:02:35 | XavierGr | well maybe.... |
| 13:02:37 | XavierGr | but still |
| 13:02:47 | XavierGr | the graphs are nearly the same |
| 13:02:57 | XavierGr | I would be suprised seeing the opposite |
| 13:03:07 | XavierGr | and his last post |
| 13:03:14 | XavierGr | he admitted that he had eq on |
| 13:03:27 | XavierGr | but okay I will unsticky it until he answers back |
| 13:03:29 | Mikachu | a plot of the difference would be better |
| 13:03:59 | Febs | For what it's worth, the inability to ABX a difference doesn't mean that there is no difference. It just means that there has been a failure to prove that there IS a difference. |
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| 13:04:40 | Febs | Still, I suspect that when confronted with an ABX test, most people who claim to hear a difference will discover it is due to something other than the "sound" of the firmware. |
| 13:04:47 | XavierGr | Febs exactly |
| 13:06:14 | Febs | By the way, there are many at Head-Fi who claim that Rockbox sounds better than the original firmware. |
| 13:06:41 | Mikachu | i have heard some people say libmad is not the best when it comes to mp3 decoders |
| 13:07:00 | Bagder | and I heard other say libmad is the best ... :-) |
| 13:07:14 | Mikachu | but i don't know, i think oggenc -q1 sounds good |
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| 13:07:37 | * | Bagder can't hardly separate music from white noise in an ABX |
| 13:07:46 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 13:07:54 | amiconn | On iriver my impression is that rockbox does indeed a better job when playing mp3 |
| 13:08:08 | amiconn | On ipod I can't compare |
| 13:08:57 | markun | upsampling from 32kHz sounds really bad in rockbox |
| 13:09:06 | XavierGr | well I after the ABX test (if there is one) I definitely want this stickied. |
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| 13:09:54 | XavierGr | But I don't think that he will even bother to undertake the test |
| 13:10:08 | XavierGr | like the rest of those that blame Rockbox on sound quality |
| 13:10:30 | amiconn | Rockbox' resampler is, ahem, crap. My remark about mp3 playback is only valid for 44.1 kHz |
| 13:10:35 | Bagder | pointing fingers is easier when you don't have to bother with proof |
| 13:11:21 | Mikachu | is it bad for 48->44.1 too? |
| 13:11:32 | markun | amiconn: I don't really understand where the ticking noise is coming from if rockbox is just doing linear interpolation |
| 13:11:45 | preglow | Mikachu: it is always bad |
| 13:11:54 | Mikachu | okay heh |
| 13:11:57 | Mikachu | even for integer scalings? |
| 13:12:04 | preglow | Mikachu: it is always bad |
| 13:12:04 | Mikachu | like 22.05->44.1? |
| 13:12:08 | Mikachu | okay, got it |
| 13:12:16 | markun | preglow: any ideas how to improve it? |
| 13:12:21 | preglow | markun: the ticking doesn't come from the resamples itself, i'm fairly sure about that |
| 13:12:24 | preglow | markun: sure, millions |
| 13:12:41 | preglow | but we're on a fairly restricted platform |
| 13:13:03 | preglow | the linear resampler is fast, it's got that going |
| 13:13:22 | preglow | linear interpolator, i mean |
| 13:13:43 | preglow | i put it in there more or less just as a dirty hack until something better falls in place, but it doesn't seem people care |
| 13:13:46 | XavierGr | wow H10 entered the cvs builds! |
| 13:13:52 | XavierGr | I should read the logs more |
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| 13:14:47 | * | midkay is just as surprised as XavierGr..?! |
| 13:15:02 | Bagder | wake up! ;-) |
| 13:15:39 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: Does playback work on H10? |
| 13:15:46 | Bagder | no sound yet |
| 13:15:50 | Genre9mp3 | Ah..ok |
| 13:16:39 | XavierGr | so the menus are working okay? |
| 13:16:50 | XavierGr | (the main interface?) |
| 13:17:00 | XavierGr | LCD HD and stuff? |
| 13:17:02 | Bagder | I think so, but the button driver is not complete either |
| 13:17:12 | XavierGr | ah this is going very good then |
| 13:17:17 | Bagder | oh yes |
| 13:17:23 | Bagder | they're doing very good progress |
| 13:17:23 | XavierGr | Rockbox is iRiver friendly :D |
| 13:17:30 | XavierGr | iRiver should be grateful |
| 13:17:39 | Bagder | well look at the number of ipods we run on |
| 13:17:52 | XavierGr | yeah that damn platform :P |
| 13:17:57 | Genre9mp3 | LOL |
| 13:18:26 | markun | and maybe daurn|laptop will make it possible to add a few more Archos units |
| 13:18:52 | Genre9mp3 | markun: which models? |
| 13:19:08 | markun | I think he wanted to port to the Gmini 402 |
| 13:19:23 | markun | opens the doors to other DM320 based player |
| 13:19:39 | Bagder | would be really neat |
| 13:20:04 | XavierGr | I am dreaming of the MP3 players future. Entering the store to buy it and seeing the label on most DAPs "Rockbox compatible" :D |
| 13:20:31 | markun | Bagder: any other major platforms besides portalplayer and DM320 used in DAPs? |
| 13:20:53 | Bagder | I'd perhaps count the samsung platforms then |
| 13:20:56 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: What about... "Rockbox inside" :) |
| 13:21:02 | XavierGr | hehe indeed |
| 13:21:14 | XavierGr | or "Rockbox Ready" |
| 13:21:33 | markun | I can make some scans of my gf's iriver T30 (Samsung) |
| 13:21:38 | Bagder | we can start a licensee program, pay us a good amount and we'll let you mark your player "rockbox ready" |
| 13:22:10 | * | Febs backspaces over a line he was typing saying exactly what Bagder just said. |
| 13:22:18 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:24:12 | Febs | "Ready to Rock! This player is certified Rockbox compatible." |
| 13:24:24 | preglow | chip producers will jump over each other in their efforts to document their stuff for us! |
| 13:24:43 | Bagder | "We're the number one documentation supplier to Rockbox" |
| 13:24:50 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:25:01 | dan_a_away | preglow: Can I have some of what you're drinking, please?! |
| 13:25:14 | * | preglow hands dan_a_away some milk |
| 13:25:17 | XavierGr | haha |
| 13:25:20 | LinusN | RocksForSure |
| 13:25:24 | markun | :) |
| 13:26:15 | Febs | Which would certainly be more accurate than "Plays for Sure." |
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| 13:26:32 | LinusN | PayForSure |
| 13:26:36 | XavierGr | ideal world.... |
| 13:27:00 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: LOL |
| 13:27:42 | Bagder | hah, Toshiba is gonna make that Zune player |
| 13:27:56 | Bagder | they sold out completely |
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| 13:30:58 | preglow | i wonder what kinda hardware these things will use |
| 13:31:18 | preglow | the firmware will probably be protected from here to the moon |
| 13:31:36 | Genre9mp3 | Zune reminds me of the Gigabeat (at least looks like it) |
| 13:32:24 | preglow | so playforsure is abandoned? |
| 13:32:48 | Febs | Genre9mp3, where have you seen a picture of it? |
| 13:33:18 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: I'll give you a link |
| 13:33:43 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/25/fcc-reveals-toshiba-1089-and-its-looking-a-whole-lot-like-a/ |
| 13:34:54 | markun | preglow: my guess would be that it's similar to the Gigabeat S |
| 13:35:11 | Febs | Looks quite iPod-like. |
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| 13:35:37 | Genre9mp3 | Well, it looks like a Gigabeet with a scrollwheel |
| 13:35:42 | Genre9mp3 | Gigabeat |
| 13:35:57 | Febs | Right. Quite iPod-Like! ;) |
| 13:37:12 | markun | Genre9mp3: the round thing is not a scrollwheel but just a joystick pad thing |
| 13:37:54 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Probably you are right |
| 13:38:16 | Genre9mp3 | But it's round like a scrollwheel :P |
| 13:39:39 | * | preglow doesn't like all the coloured nicks in the forum |
| 13:40:09 | preglow | also, why doesn't the forum use all the page width it can now? it just occupies half of my screen width now |
| 13:41:24 | preglow | looks really cramped |
| 13:44:07 | markun | preglow: what could cause the resampling ticking noise? It sounds the same in the simulator. |
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| 13:45:41 | preglow | markun: i have no idea |
| 13:45:50 | preglow | markun: but like i said, i don't think its the resampler itself |
| 13:45:56 | preglow | i think the playback engine does some weird shit |
| 13:46:03 | preglow | i tried to debug it some time ago |
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| 13:51:03 | markun | preglow: you are right. I disabled the resampling and the ticking is still there. |
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| 13:52:33 | preglow | markun: i've noticed it always clicks when upsampling |
| 13:52:35 | preglow | never downsampling |
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| 13:53:27 | preglow | markun: there is ONE possible bug i have noticed in dsp_input_size/dsp_output_size |
| 13:53:35 | preglow | they don't take the initial phase into consideration |
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| 13:53:44 | preglow | but when fixed, it doesn't help |
| 13:54:01 | preglow | i don't think they need to be balls on accurate anyway |
| 13:54:41 | markun | I just disabled resampling so it all sounds really high pitched and I don't know what else could cause it |
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| 14:31:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: When did it stop using the full page width? It uses it on mine just fine... |
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| 14:32:40 | CGI505 | hey |
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| 14:33:36 | mirak__ | on coldfire is it possible to move an upper word of a register to another register ? |
| 14:34:03 | mirak__ | I can't find a way in the manual, and it seems only MAC can acces to upper or lower through l and u modifiers |
| 14:34:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Scratch that, I'm seeing some signs of it, on certain screens. I'm really not sure what causes it yet. |
| 14:35:25 | amiconn | mirak: No you can't, at least not with a single instruction |
| 14:36:59 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: not all screens, no |
| 14:37:10 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: the thread overview, for example |
| 14:37:13 | preglow | doe sthat |
| 14:37:49 | mirak__ | amiconn damn ...ù |
| 14:38:03 | mirak__ | I hate risc |
| 14:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Fixed? |
| 14:38:41 | amiconn | coldfire isn't even pure risc |
| 14:39:13 | Bagder | not much are pure risc |
| 14:39:31 | tucoz | Here are some docs for the Zune: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=561988&fcc_id= |
| 14:41:55 | tucoz | pixelma: in case you read the logs. The mini svg looks a little weird. In your drawing, only the left side is curved while the player itself is curved on both the left and the right side. |
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| 14:42:50 | mirak__ | preglow so I guess I can emulate the move by doing a 16 bits shift or an AND |
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| 14:46:42 | Bagder | that's not emulating, that's doing the operation :-) |
| 14:51:58 | amiconn | mirak: You can do it with swaps and move.w. |
| 14:52:18 | amiconn | Depending on whether you need to preserve the lower part, the number of requires swaps varies |
| 14:52:37 | amiconn | (4 swaps when preserving everything) |
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| 15:03:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: what was the problem with the software shutdown again? |
| 15:04:09 | preglow | 14:38 < amiconn> coldfire isn't even pure risc <- a good thing |
| 15:04:28 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: somewhat |
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| 15:05:33 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/Screenshot.png |
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| 15:06:21 | preglow | i think that's how they looked before, really |
| 15:07:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: We need to distinguish between ACTION_NONE because of unmapped keypresses and timeouts |
| 15:07:27 | amiconn | In fact that should already be possible, I just didn't check my theory yet |
| 15:08:29 | JdGordon | it returns ACTION_UNKNOWN now for unmapped presses... |
| 15:08:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Try reloading for me. |
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| 15:09:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: It's fixed here on all screens, though the linkbar on the left seems... inconsistent now. |
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| 15:09:24 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: there you go |
| 15:09:41 | preglow | something happened with the table now |
| 15:09:44 | preglow | all outlines are gone |
| 15:09:54 | preglow | no, they're back |
| 15:10:30 | preglow | now it renders differently in opera and firefox :PP |
| 15:10:36 | * | preglow loves html |
| 15:11:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters |
| 15:11:13 | preglow | now it's good both places |
| 15:11:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't change anything! |
| 15:11:20 | * | Paul_The_Nerd cries |
| 15:11:28 | preglow | i think opera is having css caching problems |
| 15:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 15:11:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is possible |
| 15:11:40 | preglow | it's also stupid |
| 15:11:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I moved some formatting in and out of CSS earlier |
| 15:12:41 | preglow | some of the coloured nicks really are borderline unreadable |
| 15:12:48 | preglow | like the light green ones when on a white background |
| 15:13:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'm planning on recoloring the experts since they're used on multiple screens now. |
| 15:13:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now that "This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!" I'll go and do that. I'll figure out the morphing left bar later. |
| 15:13:50 | preglow | i don't really see the point in the colouring |
| 15:14:12 | preglow | i want to know what group they're in when i read their posts, not when looking at the thread overview |
| 15:14:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's for clueless users. It makes it more obvious when a developer or admin has started a thread, so that they may be more likely to notice it when skimming. |
| 15:15:15 | preglow | roit |
| 15:15:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a balance between "Nice looking" and "Easy for clueless people to use" |
| 15:15:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: to simplify it, can you make that screen not exit after a timeout? |
| 15:15:48 | preglow | wouldn't a single colur for all special groups do that equally well? |
| 15:15:57 | preglow | i think all the different colours clutters the design |
| 15:16:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Y'know, I hadn't even thought of that. |
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| 15:16:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | There were already two colored groups (beyond normal users) when I started, so I just went on in that vein. |
| 15:17:41 | preglow | too many different colours might work against the original purpose |
| 15:17:45 | preglow | people might start ignoring them |
| 15:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Agreed. At the very least there should be less colors. |
| 15:18:16 | preglow | yeap |
| 15:18:18 | preglow | sounds good |
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| 15:18:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the very least, I'm stripping the non-powered badges of their colors. |
| 15:18:48 | preglow | non-powered? |
| 15:18:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: The screen _should_ exit after timeout, for convenient operation |
| 15:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Artist and "Coder" |
| 15:19:03 | preglow | right |
| 15:19:07 | preglow | sounds good |
| 15:19:13 | amiconn | In fact it should be possible to do that w/o changes to the action code |
| 15:19:32 | JdGordon | it looks like it should be working... |
| 15:19:45 | amiconn | _iirc_ the button driver sends SYS_TIMEOUT when using button_get_w_tmo() and it times out |
| 15:20:01 | amiconn | SYS_ events are passed on by the action code w/o changes |
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| 15:20:25 | preglow | i just love the ipodlinux svn log, _only_ graphics work :PP |
| 15:20:33 | JdGordon | doesnt the button return BUTTON_NONE on timeout? |
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| 15:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I'll come up with a way to recolor. I'll also reconsider the value of having the colors on each screen since it's fairly easily toggleable where they do or don't show up. |
| 15:21:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: is the problem that it quits as soon as it enters? it looks like it might be because eaten buttons also return _NONE |
| 15:22:29 | JdGordon | so either that changes, or we o return a proper TIMEOUT value... |
| 15:22:33 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: cool |
| 15:22:34 | amiconn | It quits immediately, yes |
| 15:23:00 | amiconn | Hmm, and you're right, button_get_w_tmo() does return BUTTON_NONE on timeout |
| 15:24:37 | mirak__ | amiconn that's to much instructions. |
| 15:25:23 | mirak__ | to gather low or upper part. The MAC can use that easily, to bad add and sub can't |
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| 15:25:50 | mirak__ | it's also bad that MAC can't use immediate value. That's really very contraining :-/ |
| 15:25:53 | JdGordon | amiconn: i cant test this... but i tihnk adding 3 lines might fix it.... |
| 15:25:59 | JdGordon | while (get_action(CONTEXT_STOPSEARCHING,TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK) |
| 15:26:00 | JdGordon | == ACTION_NONE) |
| 15:26:00 | JdGordon | ; /* wait for action.c to stop eating buttons */ |
| 15:26:10 | JdGordon | before while(!done) in screens.c |
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| 15:28:18 | mikearthur | just thought I'd pop in and say I really like the new GUI improvements for selecting menu options and diplaying the folder name at the top |
| 15:28:22 | mikearthur | they kick ass |
| 15:28:24 | mikearthur | well done |
| 15:28:24 | mikearthur | :) |
| 15:29:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: except, that might eat a real press... |
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| 15:37:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, the blue link bar no longer morphs |
| 15:38:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/shutdown.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/shutdown.patch _may_ solve the problem |
| 15:38:47 | amiconn | Can't test right now. |
| 15:38:59 | JdGordon | ok, well ill leave it there untill you can |
| 15:39:16 | * | amiconn tries to remember that he needs to test this thing tonight |
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| 15:40:04 | amiconn | Why not just send ACTION_TIMEOUT in case of timeout? |
| 15:42:00 | JdGordon | coz that would be no fun :p thats not your problem tho.. I tihnk it would be easier to give eaten values a different return |
| 15:44:24 | JdGordon | changing that is easier to implement, but i dont know if there will be yukky side effects in other screens.. |
| 15:45:26 | JdGordon | I tinhk it will only be the yes/no screen and this screen which really cares.. |
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| 15:49:11 | JdGordon | amiconn: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/eatenpresses.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/eatenpresses.diff is the other option, which looks cleaner.. |
| 15:49:35 | preglow | anyone know if profiling still works on coldfire? |
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| 15:53:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: What is ACTION_UNKNOWN used for (with that change)? |
| 15:54:03 | JdGordon | a button that is not in any checked list |
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| 15:54:40 | JdGordon | action_none is then only used for timeout and can be set form inside lists |
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| 16:02:03 | rretzbach | Hi. |
| 16:02:43 | rretzbach | Can you recommend good portable headphones? The cable of my second koss porta pro broke :\ |
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| 16:03:04 | daurn|laptop | koss the plug are cheap & good |
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| 16:04:05 | crwl | sennheiser px 100's are worth trying if you like porta-proish headphones |
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| 16:04:25 | crwl | no idea about the cable quality though, other than that mine haven't broken in about 1,5 years yet |
| 16:04:40 | antt | hello guys |
| 16:04:40 | rretzbach | cables often break :( |
| 16:05:00 | antt | how do i create a playlist of all my songs? |
| 16:05:03 | belze | rretzbach: i can recommend the ep-630 from creative |
| 16:06:08 | rretzbach | I had the Sony MDR-EX70LP before my porta-pros |
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| 16:06:22 | rretzbach | Was okay, but the porta-pro is still better |
| 16:06:37 | rretzbach | And ultraears are too expensive ;) |
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| 16:23:17 | amiconn | JdGordon: What's the purpose of returning ACTION_UNKNOWN vs. ACTION_NONE? I guess if an action is unknown, it also means that no action will be performed? |
| 16:23:57 | amiconn | ..or are there places where both cases are distinguished? |
| 16:24:07 | JdGordon | im not sure.. |
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| 16:57:36 | rretzbach | I just watch xxxholic. |
| 16:57:39 | rretzbach | Do you too? |
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| 16:59:46 | webguest76 | good evening here in manila |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:07 | rretzbach | huhu |
| 17:00:37 | webguest76 | http://www.mympxplayer.com |
| 17:00:45 | webguest76 | can someone help where to download amv ocz this |
| 17:00:58 | webguest76 | amv converter |
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| 17:01:12 | Bagder | what does that have to do with Rockbox? |
| 17:01:35 | rretzbach | ahh |
| 17:01:37 | webguest76 | i have a mpp4 mayber you can help me |
| 17:01:39 | rretzbach | wrong chan |
| 17:02:11 | Bagder | webguest76: this is #rockbox, not a general support channel for weird problems anyone can have |
| 17:02:38 | webguest76 | okey |
| 17:02:43 | webguest76 | thanks |
| 17:02:45 | webguest76 | sorry |
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| 17:06:21 | Carroarmato0 | hi |
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| 17:07:05 | Carroarmato0 | Is it possible to view videos on the ipod nano through Rockbox? |
| 17:07:39 | Carroarmato0 | I know it can play mpegs, but it's to flaky to fully enjoy |
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| 17:10:10 | Bagder | so what are you asking really? |
| 17:10:41 | Carroarmato0 | How to correctly encode videos to watch on an ipod nano |
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| 17:12:10 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 17:12:41 | Carroarmato0 | To install it do simply have to copy it in the rocks folder? |
| 17:12:58 | Bagder | install what? |
| 17:13:08 | Carroarmato0 | the plugin |
| 17:13:40 | arp | of the players that rockbox supports, which are most popular? |
| 17:13:56 | Bagder | Carroarmato0: the plugin comes with Rockbox |
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| 17:14:10 | Bagder | arp: you can tell that as good as anyone else |
| 17:14:16 | Bagder | ipod |
| 17:14:16 | arp | ipod? :) |
| 17:14:18 | arp | got it |
| 17:14:36 | arp | because of support, or because the ipod itself is most popular? |
| 17:14:40 | tritoch | i cant get the bootloader off my nano i tried ipodpatcher -w |
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| 17:22:09 | Carroarmato0 | Bagder: Thanks it works! :-) |
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| 17:34:03 | dan_a | Bagder: Yourself and MrH have my eternal admiration. Reading disassembled code is not for the faint-hearted! |
| 17:35:14 | amiconn | Depends on how optimised the code is, and what compiler made it |
| 17:36:34 | dan_a | I just keep on ending up trying to follow loops that seem to point to themselves. |
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| 18:01:26 | Carroarmato0 | Badger: Do you know if Rockbox can show iTunes album covers? |
| 18:02:30 | bluebrother | Carroarmato0, rockbox currently can't display album arts |
| 18:02:54 | bluebrother | apart from that there is a jpg viewer |
| 18:03:05 | Carroarmato0 | Badger: Oh ok, thanks |
| 18:03:25 | Carroarmato0 | bluebrother: and thanks to you too. :-) |
| 18:03:26 | bluebrother | Carroarmato0, I'm not Bagder ... if it matters to you ;-) |
| 18:03:56 | Carroarmato0 | ooeps... |
| 18:04:02 | bluebrother | if you want to import itunes playlists there is a plugin in the tracker IIRC. |
| 18:04:25 | bluebrother | there is also a patch for album arts, but IIUC that won't go in until viewports are implemented. |
| 18:04:43 | Carroarmato0 | is it highly under development or good to work? |
| 18:05:11 | bluebrother | viewports? It's planned but afaik no development yet. 3.0 is still pending |
| 18:05:26 | bluebrother | and viewports are planned for 3.1 |
| 18:05:51 | Carroarmato0 | ok |
| 18:06:04 | | Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|afk (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) |
| 18:06:07 | bluebrother | there are "experimental" builds out there that include some of the patches. If you want to play around with it yet. |
| 18:06:20 | | Quit cmihai ("I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!") |
| 18:06:21 | bluebrother | but these builds are not official. |
| 18:06:56 | Carroarmato0 | no thanks, I just recovered from a stupid Ipod Update bug that kept me busy for 3 days! :-p |
| 18:07:11 | bluebrother | what software can generate b4s playlists? Only winamp3 or also winamp5? Does anybody know? |
| 18:08:55 | Carroarmato0 | bluebrother: I know that it doesn't work on Winamp5 |
| 18:09:48 | bluebrother | ok, thanks. So I think it's only winamp3 which can be considered useless. |
| 18:11:44 | Carroarmato0 | bluebrother: If I'm not mistaking ZoomPlayer should have support for b4s too. |
| 18:13:34 | amiconn | dan_a: I have extended the scanrate test plugin to work on all b&w and greyscale targets, made its output and operation somewhat user friendly, and committed it under a different name to cvs, "test_scanrate". |
| 18:13:50 | amiconn | Could you give it a try on your 3G? |
| 18:14:24 | dan_a | amiconn: No problem - I'm just attempting to build a Sansa sim at the moment, as soon as that's compiled I'll give it a go |
| 18:14:30 | amiconn | You just need to add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES - it's not built by default as with all test plugins |
| 18:15:21 | amiconn | My latest timer.c changes will also make it easier to operate (no "jumping" when changing the cycle) |
| 18:16:01 | amiconn | I left the default at 80Hz fpr 3G/4G, maybe it's more like 77Hz |
| 18:16:07 | amiconn | s/fpr/for/ |
| 18:16:54 | dan_a | Excellent. Compiling it now |
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| 18:26:58 | djh0ax | hello |
| 18:27:28 | djh0ax | first time in here for me |
| 18:29:00 | dan_a | amiconn: Just under 87.6Hz. |
| 18:29:10 | bluebrother | djh0ax, welcome. |
| 18:29:10 | dan_a | djh0ax: Hi |
| 18:31:16 | bluebrother | tucoz, currently we use "folder" and "directory" in the manual. I'm not sure what would be best: use only one term consistently or add a glossary where we explain that these terms are identical. |
| 18:32:01 | bluebrother | otoh, having a glossary may be useful otherwise. Like for explaining "root folder", as this gets understood wrong again and again. |
| 18:32:06 | bluebrother | what do you think? |
| 18:32:34 | djh0ax | so how do i get a copy of rockbox? |
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| 18:33:16 | amiconn | damaki__: Wow, wouldn't have expect it that high with the bigger line count |
| 18:33:27 | amiconn | Sorry, directed to dan_a |
| 18:33:48 | amiconn | Hmm, anyone with a 4G grayscale around? |
| 18:35:33 | bluebrother | djh0ax, http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml is probably what you want. |
| 18:35:39 | bluebrother | depending on your player. |
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| 18:35:56 | dan_a | djh0ax: Go to www.rockbox.org. Make sure to read the documentation before you start. |
| 18:36:38 | djh0ax | thank you |
| 18:37:09 | bluebrother | djh0ax, find the manual on the daily builds page. It has nice installation instructions. |
| 18:37:24 | djh0ax | right on thank you |
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| 18:39:06 | amiconn | dan_a: Hmm, do you remember how many fps you got in test_fps when running at 75MHz? |
| 18:39:49 | dan_a | amiconn: It was higher than you expected. I'll just test again to see |
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| 18:40:02 | * | amiconn hopes that it's above 90fps |
| 18:40:31 | tucoz | bluebrother, consistency is gold imo |
| 18:40:38 | amiconn | If we set the refresh rate for grayscale to 87Hz, there should be at least some cpu time left for other things... |
| 18:40:42 | pixelma | tucoz: the mini.svg and the eps I made with inkscape here look alright... |
| 18:41:18 | tucoz | are both the left and right side shaded? |
| 18:41:19 | bluebrother | tucoz, then what should we go for? Folder or directory? |
| 18:41:29 | pixelma | tucoz: yes |
| 18:41:38 | tucoz | hmm. not here in firefox |
| 18:41:45 | pixelma | only the rockbox logo is wrong |
| 18:42:00 | tucoz | let me check with inkscape |
| 18:42:11 | pixelma | I'm usibg firefox too |
| 18:42:14 | pixelma | *using |
| 18:42:32 | tucoz | looks as it should in inkscape |
| 18:43:07 | tucoz | bluebrother, I am not sure. As I came to think of it, maybe a mix of folder and directory just enrichens the language? |
| 18:43:38 | bluebrother | as a first step, how about adding a glossary for terms like that? |
| 18:43:40 | dan_a | 30MHz: 1/1 = 45.5, 1/4 = 160. 75MHz: 1/1 = 100fps, 1/4 = 352.5fps. That might not be completely accurate, I've just found out that I can't boost the CPU from the debug menu any more, so I had to play an MP3 to get it to boost. |
| 18:43:59 | tucoz | good idea |
| 18:44:14 | bluebrother | I still need a place to explain "root folder" ;-) |
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| 18:44:27 | tucoz | so people really misunderstand this? |
| 18:44:33 | bluebrother | sometimes. |
| 18:45:08 | bluebrother | seems to be mostly real "users" that don't have any further knowledge of computers at all. |
| 18:45:17 | tucoz | ok. I think I call it the root, or root directory (i.e. the directory where the root is). |
| 18:45:58 | bluebrother | I'll try start something glossary like |
| 18:46:00 | tucoz | I am not sure if i call it folders or directories. I think I prefer directories in general though. |
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| 18:46:46 | tucoz | btw, i have no further changes to commit. just wanted to get some stuff in cvs yesterday. |
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| 18:46:59 | tucoz | except for the updated images from pixelma |
| 18:47:36 | dan_a | amiconn: When I ran it last time (boosting properly) it was 92.5fps. |
| 18:47:44 | bluebrother | the new images are really nice. |
| 18:48:00 | bluebrother | you seemed to be working heavily on the manual the last days ;-) |
| 18:48:04 | tucoz | yes, I think so too. makes the manual look more pro. |
| 18:48:35 | DanManners | Hey, I'm wondering...trying to upload a wps, but I think I need write-permission? |
| 18:48:52 | tucoz | well, i hate the target specific stuff and the outdated stuff from the 2.4 manual. |
| 18:48:53 | DanManners | I thought that I read that you have to have someone else give you write permission, can anyone here do that? |
| 18:49:04 | tucoz | DanManners, that is for the wiki right? |
| 18:49:05 | DanManners | sorry to interupt the conversation btw |
| 18:49:26 | DanManners | ya |
| 18:49:39 | DanManners | the wps wiki |
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| 18:50:07 | tucoz | I am not sure how to give you write access, but someone else knows :) |
| 18:50:18 | DanManners | I finished the iTunes wps for iPod video, and I can't figure out how to get write permission |
| 18:50:19 | DanManners | oh |
| 18:50:20 | DanManners | alright |
| 18:50:23 | tucoz | did you sign up? |
| 18:50:27 | DanManners | ya |
| 18:50:35 | tucoz | and your wikiname is? |
| 18:50:39 | DanManners | DanManners |
| 18:50:46 | DanManners | same as IRC |
| 18:50:54 | bluebrother | tucoz, you need to add the wiki name to the TWikiUserGroup page |
| 18:51:00 | tucoz | ok. I can do that. |
| 18:51:05 | DanManners | awesome |
| 18:51:07 | bluebrother | (IIRC) |
| 18:51:10 | DanManners | Thanks man |
| 18:51:13 | DanManners | ^_^ |
| 18:51:54 | tucoz | ok, try now |
| 18:52:04 | DanManners | okay |
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| 18:52:31 | DanManners | Wah hah! |
| 18:52:33 | DanManners | It works |
| 18:52:41 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you think i should remove the LCD screen sizes from the appendix? |
| 18:52:43 | DanManners | thanks man...now I just need to upload my wps somewhere |
| 18:52:49 | tucoz | cool |
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| 18:54:03 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes. Doesn't make sense anymore ... maybe having the devices' resolution somewhere when describing the use of bitmaps. |
| 18:54:29 | netcrusher88[cgi | is there any possiblility in the future of the rockbox community purchasing a PlaysForSure license? that article by ESR the other day made it sound like a possible idea |
| 18:55:02 | tucoz | yes. that could be wise. Then we could use the \genericimg macro for that. |
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| 18:55:22 | DanManners | What are the real chances of it happening though? |
| 18:55:45 | tucoz | netcrusher88[cgi, I wouldn't think so. not unless that licence is GPL compatible. |
| 18:55:57 | DanManners | that's sort of what I'm thinking |
| 18:56:05 | netcrusher88[cgi | right, hadn't thought of that |
| 18:56:11 | bluebrother | what is PlayForSure? |
| 18:56:25 | tucoz | something Microsoft invented (i think) |
| 18:56:36 | bluebrother | something anybody needs? |
| 18:56:37 | netcrusher88[cgi | MSFT's DRM - think, cdigix, napster, rhapsody, that sort of thing |
| 18:56:45 | bluebrother | s/anybody/somebody/ |
| 18:56:58 | bluebrother | so nothing I need at least ;-) |
| 18:57:06 | tucoz | so it's used for playing back drm content? |
| 18:57:26 | bluebrother | I don't think anything related to DRM is GPL compatible ... |
| 18:57:40 | netcrusher88[cgi | true |
| 18:57:41 | bluebrother | at least I don't have an idea of something that could be compatible. |
| 18:58:45 | netcrusher88[cgi | well napster/rockbox compatibility seemed like a good idea... |
| 18:59:00 | netcrusher88[cgi | but yeah, they wouldn't take well to a product key being distributed under GPL terms |
| 18:59:18 | bluebrother | afk |
| 18:59:41 | DanManners | me too, gonna upload wps's |
| 18:59:43 | DanManners | afk |
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| 19:19:19 | DanManners | Wooh-Hoo! My WPS is FINALLY up!!! |
| 19:19:47 | amiconn | Hmm, iirc there was a reason for the lcd screen size table being in the manual, but I can't remember what it was... |
| 19:20:28 | DanManners | I'm not sure, but |
| 19:20:43 | DanManners | wasn't the lcd screen size table in the manual for WPS and such? |
| 19:20:53 | DanManners | so that you didn't make somethign that went off-screen or didn't fit? |
| 19:21:37 | amiconn | For this you only need your target's lcd resolution, not a table of all targets... |
| 19:23:39 | DanManners | I said I wasn't sure |
| 19:23:41 | DanManners | whatever |
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| 19:29:27 | mirak | hey |
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| 19:32:30 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
| 19:32:58 | Massa | Nico_P, are you online and ready to discuss some albumcover problems? |
| 19:32:59 | tucoz | amiconn, the lcd screen size table was previously in the manual for unknown reasons. But, one reason to keep it there was to use it as a reference when you make wps' to other targets |
| 19:33:12 | Massa | Nico_P ;) |
| 19:33:57 | tucoz | amiconn: however, the problem is that we only include wps tags valid for the actual target and not all tags. |
| 19:35:47 | Massa | I just uploaded my first version of a token based WPS parser to safetydan's flyspray entry FS #4826 - I would be happy if somebody could have a look at - comments are very welcome! |
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| 19:36:34 | Nico_P | Massa: i'm here |
| 19:36:53 | Massa | Hi Nico_P! |
| 19:36:59 | Nico_P | hi :) |
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| 19:37:32 | Massa | Did you have time to take a look at my latest incarnation of the albumcover patch? |
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| 19:37:54 | Nico_P | not really |
| 19:38:31 | Nico_P | but basically it adds the formatting codes, no ? |
| 19:38:59 | Massa | Well it seems the current implementaion is at its end - It hits some limitations of the WPS parsing which can not be solved easily... |
| 19:39:36 | Massa | You mean the resizing parameters? That was only a small goodie ;) |
| 19:39:41 | Nico_P | what would you want to add that's currently not possible ? |
| 19:40:26 | Massa | It's impossible to use the albumcover tag inside of conditionals - that will never work (until we redefine the tag ;) |
| 19:40:54 | Nico_P | ok |
| 19:41:04 | Massa | The problem are the parameters to the tag - the WPS is not able to handle that (and will never) |
| 19:41:56 | Massa | So my idea is to change it completely - e.g. have a "%Cl" tag with all the parameters which preloads the images (or tells the metadata to do so ;) |
| 19:42:23 | Massa | And an easy "%C" tag which just displays it - similar to the "%xl" / "%xd" tags... |
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| 19:43:23 | Massa | Or even better: have a "%Cl|c|..." for "album bitmap of current title" and a "%C|n|..." for "album bitmap of next title" |
| 19:43:53 | Nico_P | yeah but IIRC, with the %x tags, the pictures get loaded only once, don't they ? |
| 19:43:57 | Massa | (and also a "%Cc" for displaying the current albumcover and "%Cn" for the next . |
| 19:44:55 | Massa | Yes - that's one thing we need to change for our case ;) |
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| 19:46:33 | Massa | Additionally I thought about using the "img" element of the wps_data and higher it's size for two additional images (our album cover). |
| 19:47:04 | Nico_P | I don't really see the need for the next album art... |
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| 19:47:53 | t0mas | hi |
| 19:48:05 | t0mas | I've been out of rockbox design for too long :( |
| 19:48:31 | t0mas | but if I want to buy an iPod... which one should I have? Rockbox now working on all of them? |
| 19:48:40 | Massa | Nico_P: I agree, there's no need for it - but maybe some people might find it funny to create a WPS screens which contain two album bitmaps. |
| 19:49:25 | Massa | Nico_P: at least it's an additional gimmick which would be no problem to add (I assume) if we change it to work as I suggested. |
| 19:49:56 | bluebrother | tucoz, the note you added has only one problem: on players with remote that resolution isn't mentioned. |
| 19:50:38 | bluebrother | I'll add it. |
| 19:51:10 | Massa | Nico_P: we could also use most of the current preloading and image loading/displaying mechanism for our case. |
| 19:51:28 | Nico_P | Massa: I don't really understand what changes you are suggesting... what would need to be done exactly ? |
| 19:52:37 | Nico_P | For me this patch was kinda stalled in its basic principle until we get metadata on buffer |
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| 19:53:27 | Nico_P | BTW, does anyone know if that's going to come anytime soon ? |
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| 19:53:56 | Massa | Nico_P: first of all (and mostly visible to the user) we would split the current %C tag into two - one which defines the data and one which actually displays it. |
| 19:55:17 | Massa | Nico_P: lately I discussed the current and future WPS parsing mechanism here - and my conclusion was, that that has always to be done (if we ever want to allow the %C tag to be used inside of conditionals) |
| 19:55:50 | Nico_P | ok |
| 19:56:07 | bluebrother | what's the color depth of the x5 remote? |
| 19:56:21 | Massa | Even with viewports there will be no really change in WPS parsing - it will just all be based on viewport dimensions instead on screen sizes. |
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| 19:56:51 | Massa | Is the "metadata on buffer" related to it? |
| 19:57:11 | Nico_P | it doesn't look like it |
| 19:57:30 | * | linuxstb dissects a Tatung Elio |
| 19:57:38 | Massa | Isn't that already the current tagcache implementation? |
| 19:58:21 | Massa | linuxstb: what's that for a device? Never heard about it. |
| 19:58:45 | * | dan_a has Samsung YH920 to be dissected |
| 19:59:08 | linuxstb | Massa: Yet another PP5020-based DAP... |
| 19:59:13 | * | dan_a has just persuaded the Sansa sim to compile |
| 19:59:46 | Nico_P | Massa: i don't think so, but i haven't been able to follow the developement closely these last months |
| 19:59:56 | Massa | linuxstb: big display? |
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| 20:00:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: What about that chinese thing with a 2.5" hdd? |
| 20:00:12 | bluebrother | found it. |
| 20:00:18 | Nico_P | metadata on buffer was supposed to be a part of lostlogic complete rewriting of the playback engine |
| 20:00:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: Without a Telechips datasheet, it's not going to be a fun port. |
| 20:01:04 | Massa | lostlogic: are you online? |
| 20:01:09 | linuxstb | Massa: 220x176 - same as the H300 and ipod Photo/Color. |
| 20:01:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ehm tcc730? |
| 20:02:01 | * | amiconn also remembers that the manufacturer offered help (??) |
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| 20:03:10 | Massa | Nico_P: so what do you think about my suggestions? Shall we keep to use the image buffer for our images or would it be worth the effort to use the preload image mechanism (and that array)? |
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| 20:03:47 | Massa | Nico_P: another thing: what do you think about the bitmap resizing patch? |
| 20:04:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: TCC761 |
| 20:04:51 | author123 | Hey all... Anyone any idea if it is technically feasible for the iPod to decode and mix two audio streams at the same time? For >30 secs (crossfade I guess does this, but it seems to struggle >5 secs on the build I am using) |
| 20:05:02 | author123 | Hey all... Anyone any idea if it is technically feasible for the iPod to decode and mix two audio streams at the same time? For >30 secs (crossfade I guess does this, but it seems to struggle >5 secs on the build I am using) |
| 20:05:22 | author123 | Hey all... Anyone any idea if it is technically feasible for the iPod to decode and mix two audio streams at the same time? For >30 secs (crossfade I guess does this, but it seems to struggle >5 secs on the build I am using) |
| 20:05:38 | linuxstb | author123: You can stop asking... |
| 20:05:58 | Nico_P | Massa: would the fact of using the preloading system mean we would have to load the pictures to another buffer ? |
| 20:06:18 | Massa | linuxstb: I just found it (with help of Google ;) - seems to an interesting (because it's cheaper than iRiver and Apple) device! |
| 20:06:22 | linuxstb | author123: Yes, it's feasible. It could probably do it today with an easy codec like FLAC. For MP3, either our MP3 decoder will need to be improved, or you simply use the second Apple CPU. |
| 20:06:29 | linuxstb | ^ARM CPU |
| 20:06:32 | Nico_P | about bitmap resizing, I tested it a few weeks ago and it seemed to work fine |
| 20:06:41 | linuxstb | Massa: I bought it in Toys 'r' Us for 99UKP. |
| 20:06:44 | Nico_P | also it's very useful |
| 20:06:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, arm core... at least not calmrisc :) |
| 20:07:03 | author123 | Lol −−- sorry! It was saying i couldn't send PM's and my mesage wasn't showing up |
| 20:07:07 | author123 | Then five did at the same time lol |
| 20:07:35 | Nico_P | but it should be kept simple, i'm not sure we need all that much settings (still talking about resizing) |
| 20:07:46 | author123 | But yea cheers linuxstb - I intend to look in to the source code properly etc. but just wanted to know if I was wasting my time or not |
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| 20:08:29 | Massa | Nico_P: no I assume we can still use the img_buffer - but as far as I can see we could use the "official" image loading system and simplify our code! |
| 20:08:31 | author123 | but thanks :) |
| 20:08:31 | author123 | Yeah I was thinking second CPU would definately do it, makes it a bigger project for me though as I know little to nothing about the internal workings of the iPod |
| 20:08:58 | Massa | Nico_P: BTW, we're already using the "preloading" mechanism - at least we use the parsing inside the wps_preload function ;) |
| 20:09:11 | webguest50 | is there any eye-candy patches out there? or else I'm a bit tempted to make a nice menu interface with big icons etc :) |
| 20:09:30 | Nico_P | Massa: yes so separating the tags shouldn't be too hard... |
| 20:10:03 | Nico_P | but i think we should be careful to keep it as simple as ppssible |
| 20:10:03 | author123 | webIrc sucks, brb with a real client |
| 20:10:48 | Massa | Nico_P: about the resizing: it seems only to work for larger bitmaps and it also seems only resize to a size which is a factor of the original size - even if it sets the image dimensions to the proposed resize dimensions. |
| 20:11:03 | Massa | Nico_P: this leads to a box around the image :( |
| 20:11:27 | Nico_P | i didn't see that when i tried it... |
| 20:11:32 | Nico_P | i'll look at it again |
| 20:11:34 | Massa | I had a look at the code - but I'm not familar with bitmap data and I don't understand it... |
| 20:12:07 | Massa | Nico_P: I already asked takka about that - but he did not answer. |
| 20:13:01 | Nico_P | i'm going to eat. i'll get myself back in the code after that, i really need to see what has changed lately ;) |
| 20:13:06 | Massa | Nico_P: So it would be O.K. for you if I split the tag? |
| 20:13:33 | Nico_P | seems like a good idea |
| 20:13:56 | Nico_P | if you see an elegant way to do it, do so and we'll see if it works well |
| 20:14:05 | Massa | Nico_P: fill your stomach - it's better to fight with a full stomach :) |
| 20:14:12 | Nico_P | also we'll have to discuss all this with the main devs |
| 20:14:20 | Nico_P | :-) |
| 20:14:39 | Massa | Nico_P: I'll have a look at! - and of course we need to fight later for an inclusion :) |
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| 20:29:31 | diget | hi all |
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| 20:35:06 | tucoz | bluebrother, nice. But we should probably add those resolutions to the platform files as well. |
| 20:35:12 | diget | can anyone tell me how repeat a-b works on ipod nano? - |
| 20:35:12 | diget | manual quotes "hold play and press left/right" when a-b repat mode is selected |
| 20:36:20 | bluebrother | tucoz, I was also thinking about that but refrained because it affects only 3 devices. But when we start writing a remote section we should do so. |
| 20:36:42 | tucoz | yes. that sounds good. |
| 20:37:44 | tucoz | diget, it looks like the "hold play and press left/right" is a bit uncertain as it is marked in red in the manual. |
| 20:38:47 | diget | I thought so ;) - where can I look the actual keys up ? |
| 20:39:11 | tucoz | in the source. or if some helpful soul shows up. |
| 20:40:24 | diget | I'll have a look, thanks |
| 20:40:29 | jhMikeS | Isn't section 1.8 of the ColdFire programmer reference manual V.2 in error? amiconn? |
| 20:40:59 | tucoz | diget, I am looking in the apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c file but see no mention of a a-b action. |
| 20:42:15 | tucoz | and this is defined for the irivers at least. |
| 20:42:23 | tucoz | maybe it is set through a menu somehow |
| 20:44:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, why? (except a slight typo - it's -1 < operand < 1 - 2^(-(N-1)) for fractional) |
| 20:45:30 | amiconn | The actual values for N=16 and N=32 are correct |
| 20:45:35 | jhMikeS | Are things represented differently for mac? |
| 20:45:39 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:46:01 | tucoz | amiconn, do you know how to set A and B on the ipods? |
| 20:46:30 | jhMikeS | Isn't -(1*a(N-1)) supposed to represent the sign bit? |
| 20:48:54 | mirak | << is a left shift which is "asl" right ? |
| 20:50:47 | linuxstb | tucoz: I think it's only accessible via the context menu. |
| 20:50:50 | jhMikeS | oh right...that's for fractional |
| 20:51:11 | tucoz | linuxstb, ah. thanks. that is what i thought. |
| 20:51:16 | amiconn | mirak: Depends. For signed integers << is asl |
| 20:51:20 | jhMikeS | since it's doing 2^-power aye |
| 20:51:22 | amiconn | For unsigned << is lsl |
| 20:51:35 | tucoz | diget, you have to enter the context menu to be able to set the A and B points. |
| 20:51:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, the topmost bit represents the sign |
| 20:52:26 | mirak | amiconn: I tried to copy cat the C code in asm but it seems there is a problem in how I believe the data are ordered |
| 20:54:17 | amiconn | Actually asl and lsl perform the exact same operation. Note that this is not true for asr vs. lsr |
| 20:55:29 | mirak | shouldn't lsl chunk the sign bit ? |
| 20:55:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: but it's a fractional sign that represents -1 not -2147483648 |
| 20:55:46 | jhMikeS | threw me for a sec |
| 20:56:02 | mirak | amiconn: or you mean for unsigned |
| 20:56:21 | amiconn | nope |
| 20:56:36 | amiconn | lsl and asl are doing the exact same thing on the bit level. |
| 20:56:45 | tucoz | afk |
| 20:57:29 | amiconn | That's why most architectures (e.g. arm and sh) only have one of them. m68k/coldfire has both, which is just redundant |
| 20:59:09 | jhMikeS | does do asl lsl do differently? |
| 20:59:25 | jhMikeS | oh nothing I guess :) |
| 20:59:53 | jhMikeS | They should have just used the same opcode but a different mnemonic or did they? |
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| 21:02:40 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...bit 3 is different that's it |
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| 21:06:54 | diget | tucoz, I've tried to find an option within the context menu and also press the different key combinations, but still no luck ;*( |
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| 21:10:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: There is a binary posted for Ondion FM (that's what you said you had right?)...if you would be kind enough to check out the rec/playback I would be thankful. |
| 21:10:35 | jhMikeS | I mean Ondio |
| 21:11:19 | lowlight | Massa: for your wps re-write...you can now have different xmargins for each scroll line... |
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| 21:11:58 | lowlight | Massa: so you could do something like "Artist: %s%ia" and have it just scroll the artist name (not the whole line) |
| 21:12:01 | * | linuxstb likes the buttons on the Elio - it has a four-button direction pad, 8 other buttons and a hold-switch... |
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| 21:12:27 | jhMikeS | Ondio + Onion = Ondion? |
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| 21:12:59 | XavierGr | LOL |
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| 21:18:40 | linuxstb | Anyone know if Rockbox can handle a FAT32 disk without a partition table? |
| 21:18:40 | Massa | lowlight: 1.) how does this match with older WPS code? |
| 21:19:07 | Massa | lowlight: 2.) how does it know up to which character it should scroll in your example? |
| 21:21:49 | lowlight | Massa: You can't scroll like that in the current wps code (it scrolls the whole line regardless of where the %s is) |
| 21:21:55 | lowlight | I'm saying if you are redoing the wps parsing code you could code for something like that. |
| 21:23:04 | lowlight | I made changes to the lcd scrolling last week so that the xmargin can be different for each scrolling line |
| 21:23:19 | Massa | lowlight: no, that's not my intention - that could also later be done with viewports... ;) |
| 21:23:35 | jhMikeS | Is parses the entire WPS file for each update right? |
| 21:24:17 | Massa | jhMikeS: yes, currently it does. |
| 21:24:19 | lowlight | Massa: true...if you want to wait for viewports |
| 21:24:35 | jhMikeS | yeck |
| 21:25:16 | * | jhMikeS eyes are on viewports but is wondering if regions shouldn't be added or maybe z-buffer |
| 21:25:26 | Nico_P | lowlight: does this change act like paprica's scrolling margins patch ? |
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| 21:26:14 | Nico_P | (FS #2954) |
| 21:26:16 | Massa | lowlight: My intention is to make it much easier to add new tags and to combine often used code. |
| 21:26:51 | Massa | lowlight: and hopefully to make the code more readable - although this is really hard ;) |
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| 21:27:59 | Massa | jhMikeS: I don't think that z-buffer will be added - although everything is open - amiconn didn't start the show up to now ;) |
| 21:29:15 | lowlight | Nico_P: I didn't look at paprica's patch... |
| 21:29:35 | lowlight | Now, the x-margin for a scroll line is now set at the time of the call to put_scroll |
| 21:29:49 | Massa | lowlight: and no - I don't want to wait for viewports - I'm just sure it'll not be added if I add such new gimmicks... |
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| 21:30:00 | jhMikeS | Massa: z-buffer might be faster. An 8-bit buffer would allow 256 simultaneous overlays. |
| 21:30:28 | lowlight | So you can do screen_set_xmargin...puts_scroll...screen_xmargin...puts_scroll using different margins |
| 21:31:50 | Massa | jhMikeS: you have to talk with amiconn to get more informations about the planned viewport implementation - it's all in his head :) |
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| 21:32:19 | jhMikeS | Massa: There's been one in my head too...amiconn's obviously more "go go go" with it. |
| 21:32:41 | jhMikeS | But now that it's starting I want in. |
| 21:32:57 | Massa | jhMikeS: as far as I know it's planned to be as simple as it can be - for the existing code it should "just" replace the current screen width/height with viewport width/height |
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| 21:34:32 | Massa | jhMikeS: "now that it's starting"??? amiconn told me a few days ago that it still may take some time until he _starts_ the viewport implementation.... |
| 21:34:44 | Nico_P | lowlight: my question is rather : would your change allow to reproduce the patch i was talking about ? because it's a real pain to keep up to date with CVS but it will never be commited and it's rather useful |
| 21:36:27 | Massa | Nico_P: I second that! |
| 21:36:58 | lowlight | Nico_P: well, if that patch did as i described...then yes :). As I said, I never looked at or used that patch. |
| 21:37:17 | Massa | lowlight: from a user point of view: does your changes change anything? It's currently just for developers, isn't it? |
| 21:37:59 | Nico_P | lowlight: the thing is i don't really understand the purpose of your commit |
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| 21:38:25 | Nico_P | it looks somilar but maybe there's a subtelty i don't get |
| 21:39:07 | lowlight | Massa: I made those changes because if you enable the "Show Path" option in the file view, then path display & file list need to scroll with different margins. |
| 21:39:55 | Massa | lowlight: but you cannot make use of it in WPS, or can you? |
| 21:40:46 | Nico_P | Massa: seems like we could |
| 21:40:51 | lowlight | Nico_P: I don't know what paprica's patch did or does, so I can't comment except to describe the new behavior that I implemented. |
| 21:41:38 | Nico_P | lowlight: well from what you just said i tried it out and it seems *very* similar to what paprica's patch was meant for |
| 21:42:14 | lowlight | Massa: There's currently no effect on the wps...hence my suggestion to code it to do so. |
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| 21:42:27 | jhMikeS | Massa: ok...my ambitions are for arbitrary viewports of any size with a z-order where each viewport coordinates are (0, 0, with-1, height-1) and don't have to be limited to screen size. They should also be displaceable and resizeable. |
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| 21:45:04 | jhMikeS | Each one must be notified that it is invalid if any part is uncovered and needs updating or else you'll need a full bitmap for each to be stored and that would use more ram. |
| 21:45:56 | * | jhMikeS thinks things need to be more even oriented rather that procedural |
| 21:46:01 | jhMikeS | event |
| 21:46:03 | * | linuxstb pings Bagder (or anyone who knows about mi4) |
| 21:46:23 | jhMikeS | mi4 = Mission Impossible 4? |
| 21:46:30 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:47:08 | linuxstb | The standard PortalPlayer firmware format |
| 21:47:24 | jhMikeS | sounds about right |
| 21:47:28 | linuxstb | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 21:47:32 | Nico_P | Massa: i think it's worth looking into this margins thing |
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| 21:48:06 | * | jhMikeS pings amiconn because he thinks he being ignored :) |
| 21:49:53 | Massa | Nico_P, lowlight: I also think the margins could be very useful for the WPS - at least until the viewports are implemented (which will take a while). |
| 21:50:04 | jhMikeS | Last I heard Portal Player is in the dumps |
| 21:50:48 | Nico_P | Massa: it might prove useful even when the viewports are implemented, who knows ? |
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| 21:51:24 | Massa | jhMikeS: seems like a very ambitious vision - but also a complicated thing - do we really need it for our small devices? |
| 21:52:38 | jhMikeS | Massa: Smaller devices can have a simpler implementation...but an x5 or iRiver should be giver the works. |
| 21:52:40 | Massa | lowlight, you have commit access? If yes, you could implement a "%m" tag which uses your margins changes... |
| 21:52:50 | jhMikeS | iPods too |
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| 21:53:27 | * | jhMikeS will add a rectangle function suite to kick things off |
| 21:53:52 | Massa | jhMikeS: here's my suggestion: implement at least a proof of concept or a complete patch, put it on flyspray and fight for it here at IRC! |
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| 21:54:22 | Massa | jhMikeS: and don't forget to add the possibility to use different fonts and colors inside your viewports ;) |
| 21:54:32 | fraggsta | Has anyone managed to successfully apply the audioscrobbler patch to what's in CVS in the last few days? I just tried, fixed (I thought) the errors it gave when I tried to apply it but it's not working, no last.fm entry in the menus. |
| 21:54:42 | * | amiconn returns |
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| 21:54:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: rockbox does handle superfloppy formatted disks w/o problem |
| 21:55:06 | jhMikeS | I'm fighting like hell for my recording update right now...it's so ready to be in CVS but I can't get people to test out the devices it doesn't actally add feature to...I guess if they don't get something extra they don't care |
| 21:56:06 | amiconn | Viewports should be simple... so no z-buffer planned |
| 21:56:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did you see the thing about the ondio binary available? |
| 21:56:38 | amiconn | Viewports will still be powerful, and solve a lot of problems we have right now |
| 21:56:41 | Massa | Nico_P, lowlight: I have a patch at flyspray for eons which adds margins to the peakmeter similar to the progressbar - they told me it'll never be added because of the upcoming viewports... :( |
| 21:56:43 | mirak | linuxstb: I am looking into the mpegplayer code and realise one big struct is used and inside there is the DCT_block[64] the problem is I don't see how this could be declared in iram specificaly |
| 21:56:49 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: i haven't had a look at your patch, but why would it change anything on targets without recording capabilities ? |
| 21:57:04 | amiconn | Massa: The fact that I didn't start writing the actual code yet doesn't mean there is nothing |
| 21:57:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: There were some movements of operations to a new function and a change to the labels array. Just want to be positive. They do compile. |
| 21:57:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: At least when I plug it into my PC, my Elio doesn't have a partition table. My first test will be to try and run some code that writes to the disk - can I just call "disk_mount_all()" as normal, or do I need to do something special? |
| 21:57:56 | jhMikeS | It implements the code the same way though |
| 21:57:57 | fraggsta | also, what do I need to do to get the video player working for X5 from CVS right now? I noticed that didn't seem to work either (it didn't show the video file in the file listing, like the daily build did) |
| 21:58:16 | jhMikeS | I means Nico_P up ther |
| 21:58:22 | amiconn | I tend to think over my ideas a lot, and actually writing the code then is the smaller part of the work |
| 21:58:43 | Massa | amiconn, of course not! Designing a feature (even if only in your head) does cost much more time than coding it later...! |
| 21:58:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ok, i get it ;) |
| 21:59:02 | Massa | Oops - you just wrote the same thing :) |
| 21:59:21 | jhMikeS | The bins are in the forums under recording |
| 21:59:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Nothing special. disk_mount_all() checks all 4 primary partition table entires, and if none of them is valid, finally tries mounting the medium starting at sector 0 (aka superfloppy mode) |
| 21:59:52 | amiconn | s/entires/entries/ |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:17 | amiconn | Of course superfloppy mode makes rockbox complain about not being able to save settings |
| 22:00:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I guess you're not interested in check it out? Just say so. I won't be offended. |
| 22:00:35 | amiconn | I am interested to check it out. |
| 22:00:45 | Nico_P | gtg, bye |
| 22:00:47 | * | amiconn has a bunch of units to try it on |
| 22:00:58 | amiconn | Most of them are already tested though |
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| 22:01:19 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. |
| 22:01:22 | mirak | linuxstb: I think that's why it's so slow on the iriver |
| 22:01:24 | jhMikeS | It's been tried on x5, H300, H120, Archos Recorder SP already |
| 22:01:42 | mirak | there is one big struct and most of the thing are static, that's not even pointers |
| 22:01:43 | amiconn | There is no recorder SP... |
| 22:01:55 | amiconn | I think you mean Ondio SP |
| 22:01:57 | jhMikeS | I know...didn't matter |
| 22:02:32 | amiconn | Archos '....SP' usually designates a device which can't record |
| 22:02:39 | amiconn | Ondio SP, Gmini SP... |
| 22:03:04 | amiconn | We don't know the intended meaning, maybe 'simple player' or 'stupid player' ;) |
| 22:03:09 | linuxstb | mirak: I haven't looked inside libmpeg2 at all... |
| 22:03:22 | jhMikeS | Yes I believe Ondio SP was it |
| 22:03:35 | jhMikeS | #7 |
| 22:03:59 | jhMikeS | Playback needed to be checked real quick...that was all. |
| 22:04:56 | mirak | linuxstb: aren't you curious ? :p you implemented it right ? |
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| 22:05:48 | linuxstb | mirak: To be honest, I'm trying to stay out of libmpeg2... I've got too many other things to do. I want to finish implementing the higher-level parts of mpegplayer, but am hoping others will do the dirty work :) |
| 22:06:06 | preglow | i wise tactic |
| 22:06:08 | jhMikeS | Hopefull it won't mean "Sans Playback" |
| 22:06:18 | preglow | a too |
| 22:06:20 | preglow | i suck |
| 22:08:45 | mirak | linuxstb: I am doing that but I somethings are wrong. |
| 22:10:29 | * | amiconn is unzipping the test build to his Ondio FM |
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| 22:10:38 | jhMikeS | =:) |
| 22:11:12 | amiconn | All other of my targets capable of recording were already testedf |
| 22:11:14 | amiconn | -f |
| 22:11:41 | amiconn | I don't know whether it's necessary to test recording-incapable targets |
| 22:12:01 | mirak | linuxstb: anyway it's strange, I tried to remove the idct loops (screen is garbage of course) and it doesn't give a performance boost at all. |
| 22:12:33 | mirak | the bottle neck seems somewhere else |
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| 22:12:48 | oxygen77 | amiconn, I don't know if you have extra docs on MAS, do you know what is configured by the reg 0x1 of the codec. In the doc there is a gap btw reg 0x0 and 0x6 ? But the code I use for PCM playback from DSP configures something in this reg 0x1 to change the samplerate |
| 22:13:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there were some move of talk_buffer_steal calls and the audio format array is updated |
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| 22:13:18 | jhMikeS | see id3.c |
| 22:14:52 | jhMikeS | in mpeg.c: |
| 22:14:53 | jhMikeS | - if(source == 0) /* Mic */ |
| 22:14:53 | jhMikeS | + if(source == AUDIO_SRC_MIC) |
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| 22:15:24 | jhMikeS | I suppose most is recording so id3.c should be the only effect there |
| 22:17:36 | amiconn | hrrrmph |
| 22:17:43 | jhMikeS | uh oh |
| 22:17:48 | * | amiconn needs to squeeze the voice files more |
| 22:18:11 | amiconn | With rockbox in RAM, the voice file doesn't fit anymore |
| 22:18:35 | * | jhMikeS wants a voice synth that sounds like a Speak-'n'-Spell |
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| 22:20:04 | mirak | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CPEVbE69.html the idct_row for coldfire line 327, I am not sure if the (int_16 * block) pointer is passed appropriately to the asm function. I use the "a" modifier, to force gcc to use an adress operand. I am also not sure the words are in the appropriate order (big endian or not) |
| 22:20:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: First bug: |
| 22:21:02 | mirak | I just mimic in asm what the C function is doing. But I am far to get the correct image. |
| 22:21:07 | amiconn | When entering the recording screen, the monitoring signal is muted, even though "Volume:" shows the should-be-active value" |
| 22:21:20 | amiconn | Adjusting volume un-mutes it |
| 22:22:05 | jhMikeS | Lemme look |
| 22:23:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: The recording screen or recording from FM? |
| 22:23:50 | amiconn | Recording screen |
| 22:23:52 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Are you around? |
| 22:24:00 | amiconn | Tested with source == mic |
| 22:24:00 | barrywardell | yup |
| 22:24:15 | jhMikeS | It sets gain immediately after setting recording options...I don't get it |
| 22:24:24 | jhMikeS | That code was untouched |
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| 22:24:52 | jhMikeS | It has a new config block version...maybe that's it |
| 22:24:56 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I bought myself a Tatung Elio today - another PP5020/mi4 player... |
| 22:25:03 | barrywardell | wow, cool |
| 22:25:13 | * | barrywardell googles tatung elio |
| 22:25:31 | linuxstb | The product page is here: http://en.europe.eliohome.com/product_pj1022_01.html |
| 22:25:36 | Bagder | we decrypted their mi4 |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | static void set_gain(void) |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | { |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | if(global_settings.rec_source == AUDIO_SRC_MIC) |
| 22:25:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jhMikeS |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | { |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | audio_set_recording_gain(global_settings.rec_mic_gain, |
| 22:25:50 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | 0, AUDIO_GAIN_MIC); |
| 22:25:52 | jhMikeS | } |
| 22:25:54 | jhMikeS | else |
| 22:25:56 | jhMikeS | { |
| 22:25:58 | jhMikeS | /* AUDIO_SRC_LINEIN, AUDIO_SRC_SPDIF, AUDIO_SRC_FMRADIO */ |
| 22:25:58 | Bagder | iirc |
| 22:26:00 | jhMikeS | audio_set_recording_gain(global_settings.rec_left_gain, |
| 22:26:02 | jhMikeS | global_settings.rec_right_gain, |
| 22:26:04 | jhMikeS | AUDIO_GAIN_LINEIN); |
| 22:26:06 | jhMikeS | } |
| 22:26:08 | jhMikeS | } |
| 22:26:14 | linuxstb | Coolest thing is that the (blue on the picture) "Elio" sign in the middle of the direction pad glows in different colours - I've seen red, blue and green so far... |
| 22:26:36 | barrywardell | looks quite nice |
| 22:26:52 | barrywardell | have you cracked it open yet :D |
| 22:26:58 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's not the new config block version. |
| 22:27:12 | amiconn | And it happens every time I exit and re-enter the recording screen |
| 22:27:25 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, but only partly. I didn't have a screwdriver small enough to remove the main board from the case, so couldn't see the LCD. |
| 22:27:50 | barrywardell | any familiar components? |
| 22:28:04 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you have a copy of the bootloader for the Elio? |
| 22:28:13 | linuxstb | barrywardell: PP5020, WM8731L... |
| 22:28:29 | jhMikeS | Ok...I'm clueless atm...I didn't change that for hw or sw codec |
| 22:28:32 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:28:32 | * | amiconn is searching a suitable cable for testing line in |
| 22:28:35 | Bagder | linuxstb: no, but I'm quite sure it comes with their firmware download |
| 22:28:44 | Bagder | just named slightly differently |
| 22:28:45 | * | amiconn is suffering from 'too many cables error' |
| 22:29:39 | Bagder | ah, I don't have that TPJ-1022 model on the mi4 page |
| 22:29:54 | linuxstb | Bagder: I'm trying to get it now... mi4code.c can decrypt (using the default key) the pp5020.mi4 that I can see in the /system folder on the player. What do I need to do to run my own code? |
| 22:30:16 | barrywardell | linuxstb: use mkmi4.sh in tools |
| 22:30:37 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I tried that (with the h10 option), and the Elio didn't like it. |
| 22:30:52 | Bagder | you need the right key |
| 22:30:55 | barrywardell | the h10 option probably wouldn't work. it has a different key |
| 22:31:03 | barrywardell | try h10_5gb |
| 22:31:09 | barrywardell | that uses the default key |
| 22:31:20 | Bagder | but it is a 010201 header |
| 22:32:01 | barrywardell | is the tatung a 010301 header? |
| 22:32:34 | Bagder | I think they've used both for other players I have on the mi4 page so linuxstb needs to check |
| 22:32:35 | linuxstb | I think so. Here are the first two lines of the decrypted .mi4: |
| 22:32:36 | linuxstb | 0000000: 5050 4f53 0102 0100 0c5b 2900 9bf7 b2d8 PPOS.....[)..... |
| 22:32:36 | linuxstb | 0000010: 0200 0000 0060 2900 0002 0000 0000 0000 .....`)......... |
| 22:32:45 | Bagder | 010201 yes |
| 22:32:58 | barrywardell | so h10_5gb should work then |
| 22:33:09 | Bagder | yes, as-is |
| 22:33:28 | linuxstb | OK, trying now... |
| 22:33:51 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you're certain this wasn't always a bug? I changed nothing regarding that in recording.c. Maybe the global setting isn't being updated. |
| 22:34:40 | barrywardell | Bagder: I was thinking of changing mkmi4 to just use -pall instead of encrypting. it works on both h10 models anyway |
| 22:34:56 | Bagder | yes it would be nicer |
| 22:35:20 | barrywardell | as long as it works with the other mi4 models |
| 22:35:24 | linuxstb | Yes, that seems to have worked. Now to see if the file my test bootloader created exists on the hard drive... |
| 22:35:51 | * | linuxstb looks for a paper clip to reset the Elio |
| 22:35:51 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 22:35:59 | Bagder | barrywardell: to start with we can do it conditionally for the platforms we know it works for |
| 22:35:59 | dan_a | Bagder: Any progress / ideas about the Sansa LCD? I've had a small go at making the sim compile - all I need to do is make better artwork and a better keymap before that can be committed |
| 22:36:29 | Bagder | dan_a: I have some ideas mrh has provided me with but I've had very little time to work on it |
| 22:37:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Recording filename extension is wrong |
| 22:37:46 | dan_a | If you want me to test anything, I'm happy to - though I left the USB cable at my girlfriend's house, so can't do anything this evening |
| 22:37:50 | amiconn | It _must_ be mp3 for hwcodec |
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| 22:37:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what is it? wav? |
| 22:38:02 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:38:08 | jhMikeS | Should be mp3? |
| 22:38:16 | amiconn | Hrmph, and context menu is (again!) broken on Ondio |
| 22:38:35 | amiconn | I definitely fixed that for button action |
| 22:38:43 | amiconn | That's not your bug though... |
| 22:38:47 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 22:39:21 | jhMikeS | I set left the default to WAV in recording.c cause that's how it was in the first place. |
| 22:39:27 | pixelma | tucoz: are you still around? |
| 22:39:32 | jhMikeS | It probably was never correct |
| 22:39:33 | amiconn | I'll re-check the volume issue with cvs |
| 22:39:45 | pill | hmm |
| 22:39:46 | amiconn | It was _definitely_ correct on archos before |
| 22:39:58 | pill | shall i put rockbox into RAM on my ihp-160? |
| 22:40:16 | linuxstb | barrywardell: BTW, the start of the Elio firmware looks similar to the H10 - i.e. it looks like it is expecting some of registers to contain some special values set by the bootloader. |
| 22:40:39 | jhMikeS | fixed file extension bug |
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| 22:40:45 | Bagder | possibly MrH has an idea about those regs |
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| 22:41:01 | Bagder | I mean, he soon knows those bootloaders by heart ;-) |
| 22:41:15 | barrywardell | interesting. i wonder if they expect the same data |
| 22:41:23 | Bagder | most likely I'd say |
| 22:42:50 | barrywardell | I did a logf dump to see if I can find why sound playback isn't working: http://pastebin.ca/152466 |
| 22:42:58 | barrywardell | does anything there stand out? |
| 22:43:55 | amiconn | Someone please kill that dreaed hidden one-button horizontal scrolling, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"§$%&%& |
| 22:44:27 | barrywardell | pcm and codec buffers both get filled according to the debug info |
| 22:45:40 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Have you implemented all the FIQ-related code for the H10? There's some initialisation done in crt0.S, but that should hopefully all be within a CPU_PP define. |
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| 22:46:48 | barrywardell | i left crt0.S and it's maze of ifdefs alone for the moment. but it does look like everything is within CPU_PP and no ifdef IPOD_ in there |
| 22:48:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: when you adjust the mic volume it should be updating the global settings and when you enter the screen, it should use that so I'm stumped about that one. |
| 22:49:39 | dan_a | barrywardell: I'm pretty sure there's no IPOD defines in crt0.S. Is the FIQ code being run? Is it possible that the CODEC is connected differently on the H10 to the iPods? I'm unsure on how I2S, I2C and everything work, so that might be a silly thing to suggest. |
| 22:49:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I wonder if that bug is mine or not. I'll repeat: I made no alteration to that code. |
| 22:49:50 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 22:50:06 | amiconn | I don't talk about the recording level, but about the monitoring volume |
| 22:50:29 | jhMikeS | ?? The MIC volume or just the headphone volume? |
| 22:50:35 | amiconn | The volume bar shows the currently active volume when entering the recording screen, but the headphone output is muted |
| 22:50:44 | amiconn | monitoring == headphone |
| 22:50:44 | jhMikeS | ahh |
| 22:50:45 | barrywardell | dan_a: any ideas how I could check if the FIQ code is being run? |
| 22:50:48 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 22:50:59 | amiconn | Otherwise I would have talked about the recording level |
| 22:51:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: forgive me then! :) It uses mas codec right? |
| 22:51:49 | * | barrywardell is only just starting to learn about the whole I2S, I2C thing |
| 22:52:00 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes |
| 22:52:08 | amiconn | FM recording is working, btw |
| 22:52:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: and all HWCODEC players write mp3 atm |
| 22:52:21 | pill | i need a curse word to be translated from english to swedish |
| 22:52:23 | amiconn | (apart from the extension bug) |
| 22:52:26 | pill | can anyone help me out? |
| 22:52:49 | dan_a | barrywardell: Either do it neatly by putting a counter which you can read from a debug screen in fiq(), or do it the way I did when I knew nothing which was to call lcd_set_flip(1); lcd_update() from within fiq(). |
| 22:52:58 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes. The MAS3587F can only encode to mp3 (v1 and v2) |
| 22:53:13 | amiconn | It can play mp2 and mp3 (v1, v2 and v2.5) |
| 22:53:19 | dan_a | My way, if the screen turns upside down, the FIQ handler is being called... |
| 22:53:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: extension bug is remedied...have to dig into the volum control though |
| 22:53:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I'll re-check with a cvs buil (well, cvs + my local changes) |
| 22:54:41 | tucoz | pixelma, now i am |
| 22:54:42 | linuxstb | Bagder: When I run mkmi4.sh, it gives a message "The data in input file offsets 0xe0-0xeb will be overwritten. You should not have your own code/data there!" - is that referring to bootloader.bin (in my case)? |
| 22:54:52 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:55:28 | barrywardell | that part of bootloader.bin is empty anyway |
| 22:56:01 | linuxstb | OK... Well, my test bootloader fails to create a file. |
| 22:56:13 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Didn't you say it was also tested on archos recorder? |
| 22:56:20 | jhMikeS | It calls sound_set_volume(global_settings.volume); for all types just before recording |
| 22:56:25 | * | amiconn wonders why the tester didn't find the extension bug |
| 22:56:34 | jhMikeS | Ondio SP that's it |
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| 22:56:42 | jhMikeS | No hw recorders yet |
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| 22:56:48 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 22:57:07 | amiconn | sound_set_volume() is correct - but it must be called at the right time |
| 22:57:20 | amiconn | Switching the MAS to recording involves a MAS reset |
| 22:57:22 | jhMikeS | It was a thing I suspected would happen but I left the default WAV extension alone for the time being...bad idea |
| 22:57:42 | jhMikeS | So the volume should be set AFTER setting record mode? |
| 22:57:42 | * | linuxstb kicks himself |
| 22:58:00 | amiconn | (which isn't absolutely necessary, but it is how it's implemented right now) |
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| 22:58:13 | * | amiconn sighs |
| 22:58:32 | jhMikeS | The org file I have shows otherwise |
| 22:59:09 | amiconn | Integrating the pcm codec will cause major headaches, since we have to consider both recording and playback - and the memory constraints |
| 22:59:37 | jhMikeS | set_headphone_volume should be grouped with set_recording_gain |
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| 23:00:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: how are the recording codecs handled now? do they share address space with playback codecs or do they use a separate buffer? |
| 23:00:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: They swap out the voice codec and load on the codec thread. It works very nicely. |
| 23:01:13 | amiconn | The voice codec swapping should go away _imo_ |
| 23:01:45 | jhMikeS | It causes hangs but primarily because messages are being sent to the voice codec while it is not the current_codec |
| 23:02:24 | jhMikeS | I fixed hang when running fast to the recording screen with voice menus by checking that. After that...no hangs |
| 23:03:17 | jhMikeS | So you think I should put the headphone volume after the call to audio_set_recording_options? |
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| 23:06:38 | amiconn | I thinks o... but if you didn't change the order, you have obviously changed something hidden |
| 23:06:45 | amiconn | With cvs it works. |
| 23:07:53 | jhMikeS | hmm |
| 23:11:56 | jhMikeS | oh damn...I put audio_init_recording after the volume update when it was the other way around before...*slapps self* |
| 23:12:13 | bluebrother | Program terminated with signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. |
| 23:12:16 | dan_a | barrywardell: I've updated a patch that linuxstb did for me when we were getting the iPod 3G going - it's at http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox/fiq_count.diff |
| 23:12:33 | bluebrother | can someone explain what happens here? I'm debugging the sim with gdb. |
| 23:13:06 | * | jhMikeS will remedy that too |
| 23:13:12 | dan_a | barrywardell: Play some music, then go into the "debug audio thread" menu and see if the FIQ count is still 0. |
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| 23:13:24 | barrywardell | i'll try it now thanks. |
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| 23:23:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: http://daniel.haxx.se/upload/files/rockbox-ondio-fm.zip |
| 23:24:32 | barrywardell | dan_a: fiq count is staying at 0 |
| 23:25:18 | barrywardell | I think you're on to something there. |
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| 23:29:12 | dan_a | barrywardell: As I understand it, the FIQ is used to keep the I2S buffer full - when the buffer is empty (or maybe nearly empty, I don't know) the FIQ on the processor is signalled. So to me that says either that the I2S isn't consuming data, or that the processor is not listening to the right thing. linuxstb knows a lot more than me, though |
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| 23:32:34 | barrywardell | i see ( i think ) |
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| 23:36:09 | Bagder | and regarding the initial registers the firmware seems to use from the BL, it should be fairly easy to store the contents somewhere and investigate them |
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| 23:38:15 | barrywardell | Bagder: that sounds a lot easier than figuring out the BL |
| 23:38:23 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 23:38:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Both bugs are fixed now |
| 23:38:51 | * | amiconn just discovered an interesting detail wrt fm and recording on Ondio FM |
| 23:39:21 | amiconn | If you select a low sample rate (e.g. 22kHz) this influences the headphone signal |
| 23:39:31 | amiconn | ...even if not actually recording |
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| 23:40:24 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you check the code size impact of your patch |
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| 23:40:37 | amiconn | (especially on archos where it matters most) |
| 23:41:30 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Is the headphone signal thing original. |
| 23:42:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: That shouldn't bloat anything for hw...Maybe a few K for SW...if that |
| 23:42:57 | jhMikeS | I'll compare build sizes with and without |
| 23:43:23 | jhMikeS | Most of the mass is the codecs themselves |
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| 23:48:58 | linuxstb | Bagder: I've just downloaded the Elio firmware update, and there's no bootloader file - just a PP5020.mi4 |
| 23:49:24 | Bagder | that's common for the 010201 ones with default key |
| 23:50:14 | linuxstb | And the PP5020.mi4 is identical (same md5sum) as the one that came installed on my player. |
| 23:50:45 | linuxstb | My test bootloader isn't creating a file, so I'm wondering if it's actually being run. |
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| 23:52:25 | Bagder | did you try running just your self-encrypted version first? |
| 23:52:34 | Bagder | like patching a string or two |
| 23:52:36 | barrywardell | linuxstb: you could try resetting |
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| 23:53:10 | linuxstb | Two good ideas... |
| 23:53:29 | * | barrywardell searches for the reset address |
| 23:53:59 | dionoea | Elio looks nice |
| 23:54:13 | dionoea | (most new players look kind of like ipods though) |
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| 23:55:13 | barrywardell | write 4 to 0x60006004 |
| 23:55:27 | barrywardell | my good idea was stolen from MrH :) |
| 23:58:21 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Your idea worked - my Elio is in a reset loop. |
| 23:58:29 | amiconn | The elio is looking a bit strange to me |
| 23:58:34 | linuxstb | So the code is definitely running. |
| 23:58:50 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how Tatung made it so large. |
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