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#rockbox log for 2006-09-02

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00:17:57*barrywardell notices a H10 LCD patch
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00:19:24barrywardelli really gotta rework that LCD code.
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00:24:08nudelynwho can i bribe to get the album art patch into cvs? :-|
00:26:04Davide-NYCIs anybody using eclipse currently?
00:26:36Davide-NYCI want to jump out of cygwin before I get too comfortable.
00:26:51markunDavide-NYC: I think mirak is
00:27:33Davide-NYCmirak: do you know of a good tutorial to get eclipse up and winning on win32 with all the necessary crosscompilers required for Rockbox hacking?
00:27:48Davide-NYC*running not winning, sorry
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00:28:42Davide-NYCjhMikeS: thanks for the FM Radio menus in the Sim.
00:29:27barrywardellhmmm. there's no H10 operating system in flyspray
00:29:47mirakDavide-NYC: I use eclipse on Linux
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00:30:05mirakDavide-NYC: but if you use eclipse you must install CDT the C plugin
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00:31:28Davide-NYCmirak: I remember an eclipse/rockbox tutorial somewhere on how to get it all setup, but I can;t seem to find it now.
00:32:00mirakI remember it but that's not usefull anymore
00:32:12barrywardellI suppose I'll just call it "Another"
00:32:27mirakbuildin through eclipse is not usefull
00:32:37mirakthat's the simpler to just run make from command line
00:32:54Davide-NYCI'm just not that great with grep yet
00:32:57mirakI have configured eclipse to build but I don't even use it
00:33:14mirakI just use it to edit code
00:33:22Davide-NYCand finding things and viewing files is tedious the way I'm doing it now (using ultraedit)
00:33:41Davide-NYCthat's what I mainly want it for, editing and stepping through code
00:33:48mirakeclipse is good for that with CDT. you must enable full indexing in cdt
00:34:17Davide-NYCOK, I try to get it up and running, if I hit a problem and you're still here I'll shout, thanks
00:34:18mirakmaybe visual c++ is good for that also
00:34:26Davide-NYCopen source please
00:34:37markunWe are in the news again:
00:35:40*Davide-NYC wishes the H320 had optical i/o or that the H120 had a RTC.
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00:41:05dionoeamarkun: nice review :) (although it seems that he was using a quite old build ... or wrote it some time ago)
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00:43:28XavierGrHowever, I would suggest using the latest optimized builds from <−−- pfff :(
00:44:01XavierGr"optimized"! what a confusing word used for these builds....
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01:00:11Soapwhat is the recomended text editor for windows to do (silly) unix-style LF only text documents?
01:00:54SoapI never understood what the point of a LF was if you didn't return the carriage!
01:01:32pabsthere's not much point in a carriage return either without a linefeed
01:02:03Soapand windows does both.
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01:02:29Soapthe right way, IMHO. I'm trying to find a history of LF only now, to see what I am missing.
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01:04:01XavierGrit will respect the CR+LF, LF or CR
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01:04:10XavierGrthat way you won't have a problem
01:04:26XavierGrthere are others too
01:04:45XavierGrbut I prefer it for its simplicity while combining syntax highlithing
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01:06:03Soapthe two things I want, thank you.
01:16:36goppwhat is lf
01:17:40scorchegopp: look in their conversation and find a word that could be condensed into "lf"
01:21:20Soapwhat bugs me, is I swear I had to manually send /both/ CR and LF to the teletypes at DuPont, and this was in Cobol, in Unix, in 198x. But Wikipedia says Unix was always LF only, so I'm missing something somewhere. (probably my mind) (sorry for the offtopic again)
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01:22:46linuxstb_Soap: Read this?
01:25:34Soapsorry COBOL
01:25:46jhMikeSDavide-NYC,infamis_: I fell asleep for a bit...
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01:26:52jhMikeSinfamis_, infamis: does it compile for you now?
01:27:32jhMikeSDavide-NYC: You're there anything else missing (Not that I can't check it :)
01:27:45Davide-NYClemme see
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01:28:40jhMikeSI should probably get rid of the sample rate menu until it actually selects sample rates, no?
01:28:43Davide-NYCuh, the silly little 'musical note' isn;t displayed instead of the sqaure stop icon. I can live with that
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01:29:04jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Did it used to be?
01:29:31Davide-NYCon the target it is (I believe, let me make fullzip for target with this identical CVS DL)
01:30:06dpassenWhen did behavior on iRiver H1x0 series change from not stopping music immediately when holding stop to shut down? With the button action?
01:31:13jhMikeSDavide-NYC: If I pause/unpause the radio in the sim it shows up.
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01:32:17Davide-NYCjhMikeS: cool
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01:32:37Davide-NYCI forgot to select a station first
01:34:46infamis_jhMikeS, sorry I took so long, had to run out....but nope, still the same error.
01:35:19infamis_I wanna try your suggestion of just building m68k-elf-gcc-3.4.6 from the source under cygwin, but can't find out where to get the source from
01:35:34jhMikeSerrr: someone tried with version 3.4.5 and it was ok
01:35:43jhMikeSnot on the gcc site?
01:36:23jhMikeSinfamis_: amiconn would know since he's got it
01:36:34infamis_worked on 3.4.5 cygwin?
01:36:45jhMikeSnot cygwin but gcc 3.4.5
01:36:47infamis_I went to and did a google search for m68k-elf-gcc source but no relevant results
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01:40:17jhMikeS ??
01:40:47linuxstb_infamis_: There's only one version of the gcc source - you configure it for th target processor before compiling it.
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01:41:40linuxstb_(and the same for binutils, which you'll need as well). Instructions for compiling are in the CrossCompiler page on the Rockbox wiki.
01:42:22infamis_lol....I actually did this before
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01:42:29mirakDavide-NYC: what do you need optical for ?
01:42:58infamis_...under linux, that is, but since I was under cygwin, I guess I incorrectly assumed everything changes
01:43:45Davide-NYCfor when I can afford a nice preamp, or for digital transfers from dat machine (rare) or for transfers from anything optical.
01:43:48infamis_linuxstb, jhMikeS; so what's the difference between gcc source & that freescale link?
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01:44:26jhMikeSinfamis_: It appears to be coldfire only other than that I don't know...I just did some looking myself.
01:45:07linuxstb_I'm guessing it's just a custom set of compilation tools based on gcc.
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01:46:17mirakdoes H120 had an internal mic ?
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01:48:45mirakit would be fun to have Pang game
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01:56:23jhMikeSI'm going to just show 44.1 kHz in the sample rate menu for now for SWCODEC and enable the mono/stereo setting for UDA1380 (this should have been done but I missed it :)
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02:07:02infamis_jhMikeS, I don't need gcc-3.4.6? only gcc-core-3.4.6?
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02:12:21Davide-NYCmirak: yes the H120 has an internal mic
02:12:41infamis_never mind that last q
02:13:04infamis_make && make install
02:13:09infamis_wrong win
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02:19:11Davide-NYCmirak: OK, I got eclipse 3.2 and CDT 3.1 installed. Now I guess I'll need to find some time and go through the CVS tutorial
02:19:24Davide-NYCanothing I'm missing?
02:20:08Davide-NYCwill it compile correctly as-is or do I need something else? (sorry if I sound so dumb, but I'm not a real programmer, I just pretend)
02:20:13mirakcvs is easy to use with eclipse
02:20:24mirakcreate a new CVS project
02:20:37mirakthen convert it to standart C projet
02:21:10Davide-NYCdefault workspace OK?
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02:25:32Davide-NYCdefault module name should be rockbox-devel?
02:26:05Davide-NYCoh the sweetness...
02:33:44infamis_jhMikeS: as: unrecognized option `-mc68020'
02:36:28jhMikeSinfamis: huh? what are you doing? You'll probably need the assembler as well. I've never build the cross compiler myself.
02:37:16jhMikeSDavide-NYC: There should be channel selection and a sample rate menu (w/one item for now) on iRiver
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02:37:55Davide-NYCMuch action!
02:38:14jhMikeSgonna look at the makefile
02:38:17infamis_I downloaded gcc-3.4.6, configured with −−target=m68k-elf, and made
02:38:34infamis_I meant "make"d and it's failing on this:
02:39:14jhMikeSinfamis_:'s obviously possible. amiconn is proof of that but I'll try and muddle through it with you.
02:39:29infamis_./xgcc -B./ -B/usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/bin/ -isystem /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/include -isystem /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/sys-include -L/usr/src/gcc-3.4.6/build/gcc/../ld -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition-isystem ./include -I. -I. -I../../gcc -I../../gcc/. -I../../gcc/../include -g0 -finhibit-siz
02:39:35infamis_as: unrecognized option `-mc68020'
02:39:38infamis_make: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1
02:39:46jhMikeSdoing what? building rockbox?
02:39:59infamis_gcc 3.4.6 for m68k-elf under cygwin
02:40:10infamis_^ building gcc 3.4.6 ....etc.
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02:43:37jhMikeSinfamis_: you went through this: ?
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02:44:51infamis_yup...but I think I found it:
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02:45:05infamis_I need cross-binutils
02:45:26jhMikeSI though it needed the as would be conveniently down right now
02:46:12jhMikeS:D oh man
02:46:21infamis_or maybe the version of as I have isn't cross-compilable(don't nkow if that's a word)
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02:46:32jhMikeSthose utilities don't come with it?
02:46:52jhMikeS3.4.6 should be useable on cygwin
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02:47:47infamis_I have binutils....I'm guessing as is part of that package?
02:47:51linuxstb_infamis: You need to compile and install binutils (cross-compiled for m68k) first
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02:49:15infamis_yeah....this is beginning to sound like a "sunday" task
02:51:11infamis_ah! what am I talking about...this is easy right there in the wiki it says
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02:51:58jhMikeSinfamis_: But it's only Friday...:|
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02:52:37infamis_I can wait 2 days ;)
02:52:53jhMikeSIt'll take three!
02:53:11infamis_just playing, but yeah I'm building binutils right now (with the correct target)...just that building stuff on cygwin takes forever
02:53:31infamis_seems only have enough time on sundays
02:53:33jhMikeSwhy are you stuck on cygwin? I don't get it.
02:54:09Davide-NYCeclipse is crazy, maybe I should learn to crawl before I try to run
02:54:13infamis_cause I'm on windows...and vm-whatever seems like a whole nother can of worms
02:54:34jhMikeSthe vmware is really really simple
02:54:52jhMikeSIt's what I use and it's worth the almost no trouble at all
02:55:20jhMikeS10 times faster easy
02:55:24Davide-NYCvmware makes my (rather bloated) system a bit unstable.
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02:55:42jhMikeSyou can knock down the memory after installing it
02:55:51Davide-NYCProably due to the fact that various versions have been on and off of this install
02:56:01FebsI'm installing VMware right now on my new company laptop. I was using cygwin on my old laptop, but I figure since I'm installing from scratch here, might as well try the vmware.
02:56:12Davide-NYCI think it's a registry disaster issue. Too much junk.
02:56:18jhMikeSI had cygwin and am glad I dumped it
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02:56:26*scorche emits a cheer for vmware
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02:56:47scorchei got fed up with cygwin...
02:56:54Davide-NYChmm, do we have near concensus? Linux native or VMWare, stay off the cygwin?
02:56:59*linuxstb_ hugs Debian
02:57:03jhMikeSme too...I'd never get anything done that way
02:57:05infamis_cygwin is undoubtedly slow, but....for the most part I'm fine with it....
02:57:11*scorche hugs linuxstb_
02:57:14jhMikeSstay off cygwin...
02:57:30infamis_but RB fully embraces it on the wiki ;)
02:57:45jhMikeSinfamis_: If you try vmware and get it to work you ask yourself "why?"
02:57:57Davide-NYCI can;t do the VMWare until I extricate my raid array from my workstation.
02:58:04Galoisor try linux
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02:58:19scorchevmware *is* linux =P
02:58:27infamis_what the heck do you download???
02:58:38GaloisI heard qemu works in windows too
02:58:44Davide-NYCthere's a special RB version, no?
02:58:45jhMikeSAren't there supposed to be some tools for cut/paste between linux/windows a vmw?
02:58:56scorcheDavide-NYC: there is
02:59:09jhMikeSinfamis_: The instructions are int the wiki page too for setup
02:59:36scorchebut yeah...after vmware, i wondered why i used cygwin...
02:59:56Davide-NYCIt just will not play well my (admittedly strange) machine
03:00:33jhMikeSbut I have a tip: in rockbox.vmx set memsize = "32"
03:00:34infamis_...vmware ain't free???...forget about it
03:00:37scorcheit is
03:01:14Davide-NYCjhMikeS: souldn;t frequency be samplerate?
03:01:23infamis_all I see are evaluate & buy links on that download page
03:01:32jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Eventually :)
03:01:44scorcheinfamis_: work off of the directions on the wiki page
03:01:47Davide-NYCwhat do you mean?
03:01:53jhMikeSthat's what's in the lang files
03:01:54infamis_never mind, guess I just need vmware player
03:01:57scorcheand you might want to get that dl started ;)
03:01:58Galoisvmware player is free like beer, qemu is free like GPL like beer?
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03:02:16infamis_free like beer???
03:02:23scorche...i wish
03:02:24jhMikeSwho has free beer???
03:02:30infamis_^what he said
03:02:33*jhMikeS wants free beer
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03:02:46*Davide-NYC stupid diet - 200cal per
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03:03:50Davide-NYCjhMikeS: since we're going menu crazy, how about separating the encoding type and the bitrate? I think the recording menu is getting a little big.
03:03:52jhMikeSCerveza gratis o cerveza libre <== haha
03:04:16Davide-NYCmaybe we need to rework it to make it a bit more elegant.
03:04:18jhMikeSDavide-NYC: That's coming too...but is difficult. It's a relic from the mas codec
03:04:24Davide-NYCwill give it some thought.
03:04:33Davide-NYCplease define mas
03:04:42jhMikeSI'm working on what you're talking about now
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03:04:57jhMikeSThe hardware codec chip in archos players
03:05:07*Davide-NYC wonders what I am talking about...
03:05:14Davide-NYCGot it.
03:05:38Davide-NYCqq: if I wanted to try to mess with the WRS text formatting, what files should I be looking at?
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03:06:16jhMikeSI want full config screens for each format...but this is complicated because sample rates and codecs don't always fully agree so the sr selections will have to be different depending on the encoder.
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03:06:57infamis_anyone with an x5?
03:07:25jhMikeSSome sample rates I'll use the DSP to synthesize starting with say 44100Hz and changing it to 32000Hz for mp3 for example. I can't support 32000Hz with the hw itself.
03:07:36infamis_fm radio quality seems poor but don't know if it's just me
03:07:37Davide-NYCdoes this have to be implented across all platforms?
03:07:37jhMikeSinfamis_: That's me...x5
03:08:06infamis_then again I never used it under the original cowon firmware
03:08:13jhMikeSDavide-NYC: I'll make it work on all software codec players with recording...yes
03:08:36Davide-NYCbut not on the old archos targets (I'm thinking about UI on tiny screens)
03:09:09jhMikeSDavide-NYC: This stuff has nothing to do with archos since archos has a different playback/recording core. for those...iRiver and x5 are the only ones with the sw encoders now anyway...maybe iPods will get it too when someone implements recording features there.
03:10:16Davide-NYCwhat targets are HW vs SW
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03:10:29jhMikeSHW = Archos
03:10:31infamis_is vmware a layer on top of the OS?
03:10:35jhMikeSSW = everything else
03:10:50jhMikeSinfamis_: It's a virtual computer
03:10:57jhMikeSYou're really running Linux there
03:10:59Davide-NYCOndioFM = HW?
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03:11:23infamis_but does it start before the OS or is it something started from within the OS?
03:11:32scorchefrom within
03:11:33jhMikeSinfamis_: don't ignore my earlier tip or the machine might not start...^^^
03:11:34Davide-NYCwithin the OS in a window
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03:12:00infamis_jhMikeS, about the memory size?
03:12:01jhMikeSYou just double click the rockbox.vmx file and it starts in a window
03:12:27jhMikeSinfamis_: yes
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03:13:20jhMikeSMine wouldn't work right away...I have 256mb and I think it wanted almost all of help on the web either about that.
03:14:02jhMikeSIf the machine won't start due to memory, you can't get to the memory setting in the player...makes a lot of sense huh? so you gotta edit the file
03:14:40infamis_I think I'll try it out tomorrow or eventually...wanna see if this cygwin compile works first though
03:14:45scorchethe rockbox image even has samba for easy filesharing between your computer and the virtual one =D
03:16:11infamis_vmware doesn't really function as a permanent solution to having linux & windows, just a temporary thing for doing stuff when you only need linux for a while?
03:16:26jhMikeSI just use a mapped drive
03:16:30BHSPitLappyor vice versa.
03:17:12scorchewell, i havent booted into linux (on my main comp) since installing vmware...
03:17:32jhMikeSI wish I could run vmware on wine on vmware
03:17:57jhMikeSfor the hell of it! :)
03:17:59infamis_isn't wine another emulator?
03:18:13scorchewine is not an emulator
03:18:16jhMikeSyes...emulators within emulators...
03:18:18infamis_or whatever the techinical name is
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03:18:57Davide-NYCrecursive acronym
03:19:07Davide-NYC(read that somewhere)
03:19:09scorcheThe name 'Wine' derives from the recursive acronym "Wine Is Not an Emulator", although some have used the unofficial expansion "Windows Emulator". While the name sometimes appears in the forms "WINE" and "wine", the project developers have agreed to standardize on the form "Wine". The recursive acronym Wine resembles that of LAME (Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder).
03:19:33Davide-NYCshouldn;t that be WINAE then?
03:19:55scorchemany acronyms omit a for and/an/a
03:20:03jhMikeSprepositions don't get included
03:20:06Davide-NYCanybody want to help me figure out what's wrong with my eclipse install?
03:20:23jhMikeSor aticles: a, an, the
03:20:24Davide-NYCEclipse 3.2 with CDT installed fine
03:20:46Davide-NYCCVS checkout no problem
03:21:10Davide-NYCno idea how to configure my makefile or make for that matter
03:21:52Davide-NYCstaring at a gorgeous IDE though.
03:21:59Davide-NYCin eclipse.
03:22:22infamis_you're trying to build all through the ide?
03:22:36Davide-NYCI would love to. Is this not possible?
03:23:16infamis_why do you want an ide?
03:23:30jhMikeSI'd love a rb project for MS Visual C++
03:24:00infamis_that's what I do....of course I can't build with it, but for source browsing & symbol lookup, works alright
03:24:33infamis_mainly just for navigating through the source
03:24:47scorchecurious....anyone happen to have tried source insight?
03:25:03jhMikeSwhat is it?
03:26:14scorchewhen i am in windows, i usually use that...i like it
03:27:01scorchesad thing is, it isnt free though
03:27:44jhMikeSThat's not free beer for sure!
03:27:46infamis_yeah that is very sad for a poor college student like me
03:28:05scorchea company i used to work for used it, so i got it for free =)
03:28:17scorchebut, it is a nice program (at least i think so)
03:28:21jhMikeSJust think how drunk you could get with that much money and then not even give a damn about Rockbox anymore.
03:28:42billytwowillykde has a really good development environment thingy.. I forget what it's called.
03:28:51infamis_well, gcc 3.4.6 doesn't compile.....I give up...
03:29:03scorchethere *is* a trial version though
03:29:14billytwowillythat means there will be a crack...
03:29:31scorchebut, we dont discuss illegal topics here =)
03:29:32infamis_ /cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/infamis/LOCALS~1/Temp/ccD10fYo.s: Assembler messages:
03:29:36infamis_ /cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/infamis/LOCALS~1/Temp/ccD10fYo.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
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03:30:22scorchebillytwowilly: is pretty decent
03:30:34scorchebut, when i am in linux, well.... <3 vim
03:30:55billytwowillyso just install vim in cygwin;)
03:31:07billytwowillythen you have your ideal development environment in windows too;)
03:31:09scorchei have it in vmware =)
03:31:22billytwowillyoooh.. inefficient...
03:31:31infamis_vim is too featured for a text-editor
03:31:40scorchei wonder if source insight would work in wine...
03:31:50billytwowillytry out kdevelop.
03:31:59scorchei have
03:32:04billytwowillymy buddy who codes described it as joygasmic.
03:32:24billytwowillyif you haven't tried it in the last six months you should probably try it again... I think it gets developed fairly rapidly..
03:33:00scorchei am never in kde anyway (i know that isnt much of an issue, but meh)
03:36:19billytwowillyman, I'm so torn.
03:36:25billytwowillyoops. wrong channel.
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03:41:25infamis_somebody kick me?
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03:44:32*billytwowilly kicks infamis
03:46:08*billytwowilly apologizes.
03:46:14billytwowillysorry, couldn't resist....
03:46:52infamisno need to apologize, I needed it for asking dumb questions....
03:50:04infamiswell, gcc still doesn't compile....
03:50:06infamisI give up
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03:53:46infamisbuilt binutils for target=m68k-elf, set prefix to /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6; make && make install; export PATH=/usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/bin; tried to build gcc with −−target=m68k-elf −−enable-languages=c....still doesn't work
03:55:10infamis /usr/src/gcc-3.4.6/build/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/src/gcc-3.4.6/build/gcc/ -B/usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/bin/ -B/usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/lib/ -isystem /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/include -isystem /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf/sys-include -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition -isystem ./include -g -DIN_LIBGCC
03:55:11infamis /cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/infamis/LOCALS~1/Temp/ccFEyfBv.s: Assembler messages:
03:55:15infamis /cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/infamis/LOCALS~1/Temp/ccFEyfBv.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
03:55:18infamis /cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/infamis/LOCALS~1/Temp/ccFEyfBv.s:41: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
03:55:25infamis make[2]: *** [libgcc/m68040/_fixunsdfsi.o] Error 1
03:55:59BHSPitLappythat's an impressive flood.
03:56:05scorcheinfamis: mind using something like pastebin in the future?
03:56:31jhMikeSI think there's a small patch in the wiki under building the cross compiler
03:56:34infamissure if you tell me what I did wrong...
03:57:03BHSPitLappyyou pasted a flood of text in a conversational IRC channel, for one...
03:57:44jhMikeSThat's not bad I've pasted huge long pieces of code a couple times by accident from my clipboard...I'm very careful now.
03:57:46aliaskPerhaps try building binutils without the −−prefix
03:57:53infamis ;)
03:58:19aliaskYou'll need to be root to do that though
03:58:44infamisaliask, I'll try that, after that I really give up...cause cygwin takes forever...
03:58:58*scorche cheers again for vmware
03:59:19jhMikeS on some cygwin systems, the compilation of the multilibs may fail (...fmovem.l...blabla...illegal operands...). I don't know why this happens, but there is a workaround. After downloading and unpacking the gcc source code, download the patch on the bottom of this page and install it. The patch is made on gcc-3.4.3, but it might work on earlier versions too.
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04:01:29infamiscool, there's a 3.4.6 patch from BarryWardell on aug 10, '06...trying that
04:01:41DanMannersI'm sorry to inturupt the conversations going on, but can someone please give me write-access to rename/delete things? I accidentally didn't hit hide file on the WPS 5G upload page, so now it's visible by everyone, and I need to fix it
04:05:43infamislol that was a lot of text
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04:10:20aliaskDunkelschub: Ask
04:10:27DanMannersI'm sorry to inturupt the conversations going on, but can someone please give me write-access to rename/delete things? I accidentally didn't hit hide file on the WPS 5G upload page, so now it's visible by everyone, and I need to fix it
04:10:31DunkelschubDoes rockbox support Toshiba Gigabeat yet?
04:10:55Dunkelschubk, thanks anyway
04:10:56aliaskHopefully soon though, markun and his gang are working pretty hard on it
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04:13:15billytwowillybah, the sansa e200 series is better;)
04:13:18jhMikeSvmware vmware vmware vmware vmware vmware
04:14:05billytwowillyvmware is a nice program.
04:14:24*jhMikeS cheers for clonazepam
04:15:25jhMikeSdebian debian debian
04:15:33aliaskDanManners: I've made the attachment hidden for you, I don't know how to give you access though, I think you might have to ask the web-admins when they come on later.
04:17:34billytwowillyubuntu ubuntu ubuntu
04:18:22CtcpPing on #rockbox from jhMikeS!
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04:19:26billytwowillyI'm not sure what you got out of the ctcp ping jhMikeS...
04:19:54jhMikeSnothing...just messing with commands to see what they do
04:20:06billytwowillyI used to use visual irc. hurt my eyes...
04:20:24billytwowillyblack text on a white background (or the other way around) is where it's at;)
04:20:26FebsDanManners, I added you to the wiki users group so you should be able to edit wiki pages now.
04:22:01*Febs just noticed that DanManners was already in the twiki users group.
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04:22:31jhMikeSbillytwowilly: I guess you get alerted to pings? Does everyone? Just curious.
04:23:28billytwowillyyou're pinging me dude... my irc client has to respond...
04:23:43billytwowillyanything with ctcp in front of it shows up..
04:23:50billytwowillyyou can whois though and I won't see it..
04:23:54jhMikeSeveryone got one
04:24:56jhMikeSYours says "Private CTCP VERSION:" with no response
04:25:03billytwowillydon't do that, it is super mega lame...
04:25:21billytwowillyI don't care.. it's just super mega lame...
04:25:29billytwowillyacuna matata
04:25:50jhMikeShey now...there's no malicious intent on my part...just experimenting
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04:28:34SoapBigMac - Have you released your WPS yet?
04:28:52Davide-NYCjhMikeS: is I want to mess with the "while recording screen" what files should I take a look at
04:29:45infamisI have an m68k-elf directory
04:30:17Davide-NYCwow, it's all in that one file huh?
04:30:25jhMikeSinfamis: so do I...:)
04:30:45infamislol...under my prefix'd /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6 directory
04:31:46infamis /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6/m68k-elf and it has .bin/ and lib/
04:32:04infamisdamn...keep forgetting those slashes makes it an IRC command
04:32:23jhMikeS /
04:32:42actionshrimpinfamis -> do ctrl+enter
04:32:52jhMikeSinfamis: type "/ping #rockbox"
04:33:11jhMikeSdon't do it...just kidding
04:33:22infamisactionshrimp, must be this webclient...still went to the server instead of the channel
04:33:41actionshrimpah damn
04:33:43infamisyou said /ping #rockbox, hold on....
04:34:03infamisdidn't come up...
04:34:31infamisok...the reason I asked is cause of this:
04:34:36jhMikeSinfamis: so it compiled right?
04:34:52infamisnah...still trying....
04:35:00infamismy prefix (for binutils) was: /usr/local/m68k-elf-3.4.6'd be using vmware by now
04:35:22scorchedepending on your connection...
04:35:49infamisthat gave me bin/ with m68k-elf-* files in there, for example, m68k-elf-as, -ar, -ld, etc..
04:36:17infamisbut inside the [prefix]/m68k-elf I have a bin/ with ar, as, ld, etc...
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04:36:31infamiswiki says to set path to my [prefix]/bin
04:36:52jhMikeSit should work as long as it's in your path right?
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04:36:54infamishowever, if I don't set path to [prefix]/bin:[prefix/m68k-elf/bin], it doesn't compile either
04:37:18infamis....[prefix]/m68k-elf/bin:$PATH I mean
04:37:30jhMikeSscorche: true...don't know what he's using
04:38:01infamiswho me?
04:38:08infamisI just have DSL
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04:39:06jhMikeSinfamis: so do I
04:39:07infamisthis is my last trial at compiling, then I'm getting drunk
04:40:03infamiscan you use vmware if you already have linux already installed on a partition?
04:40:10jhMikeSthere's nothing inside the ar as ld etc.?
04:41:45infamisinside what? come again?
04:42:00jhMikeSyou said you had bin/ with ar as ls etc...
04:42:35infamishere's some ls output:
04:44:27infamisdoes that dir-structure look right?
04:45:18[HO]vo|thas the bug where pressing "joystick right" sometimes reacts as you had pressed "joystick center" been mentioned anywhere?
04:45:29[HO]vo|tsorry; on the iAudio x5
04:45:57jhMikeSinfamis: looking...
04:46:44infamishovolt, I've noticed that too.. is slow, I'll stick to
04:48:34[HO]vo|tinfamis: if jhMikeS has an x5 as well, i believe he mentioned the same problem last time i talked with him
04:49:58jhMikeS /usr/local/m68k/bin has it all on debian
04:50:21jhMikeS[HO]vo|t: something like that seems to happen yes
04:50:48infamisso you don't have an m68k-elf subdir under /usr/local/m68k, everything you see in my m68k-elf is in the previously mentioned directory?
04:52:03jhMikeS all tools are in /usr/local/m68k/bin
04:54:35infamisyeah...`which as` still returns /usr/bin/as...I'm gonna just throw that stuff in the main [prefix]/bin directory....then I give up for real!!
04:55:04jhMikeSput it where the tools are now eh?
04:55:06DanMannersaliask: Thank you
04:55:22*jhMikeS has to make some espresso...brb
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04:56:24infamisso far so good....
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04:58:12ootputpreviously, when holding menu while plugging in the ac-adaptor, my ipod mini would display a little icon (resembling an electrical plug). Occasionally (that is, at this very moment) the icon is not visible. Is this a known rockbox quirk?
04:58:13infamiswell, it worked (compiling gcc, that is)......
05:01:02infamismake install put everything in /usr/local/m68k-elf though
05:04:18infamiswell, I accomplished my task...time to reward myself by getting drunk...
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05:17:31jhMikeSinfamis: drunk yet?
05:17:45infamislol, I had to compile one mor etime!!!
05:17:58Davide-NYCarghh eclipse... must configure make
05:18:28infamisit worked...just wanted to make sure I had everything right and wasn't just I'm building rb
05:18:54*jhMikeS sees so many names here of people that never say anything and are logged in about 24/7
05:18:58Davide-NYCI downloaded the sripts from the rockbox <−−> eclipse howto but they are ancient... any guru want to help update them?
05:19:10billytwowillyI only recently started saying anything.
05:19:33jhMikeSyou started at least a week or so ago
05:19:37billytwowillyand I idle on freenode all the time because of #ubuntu and #edmonton-lug
05:19:45billytwowillyyah, but most of the stuff I said was mean and jerkish;)
05:19:49infamisahhh!!!! I give up now.....
05:20:01jhMikeSque paso, infamis?
05:20:07infamistools/configure w/ x5 (30)....
05:20:08billytwowillyoverall, I'm part of the problem I think;)
05:20:11infamis"Using m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.6 (304)"
05:20:36infamis....mp3_enc.c:2430: error: can't find a register in class `ADDR_REGS' while reloaBLAH BLAH BLAH
05:20:46infamismust just be cygwin
05:20:54jhMikeShakuna matata!'ve got worse probs than the compiler then
05:21:22Davide-NYCPlease someone helpme.
05:22:00jhMikeSDavide-NYC: what is eclipse? (I'm so dumb) :)
05:22:11infamisa cross-platform IDE!
05:23:23jhMikeSinfamis: but it did force me to clean up that asm which I'm happy about anyway :)
05:23:32Davide-NYCI mean, if I can get this thing working correctly I will write something up and toss it up on the Twiki (assuming it's easy to put stuff on the Twiki)
05:23:57Davide-NYChow to I paste code snippets?
05:24:09jhMikeSIf you register...just edit or did that change since the destruction before
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05:25:32Davide-NYCno, I meant
05:25:32jhMikeS ???
05:25:53infamisuse; is slow
05:26:02Davide-NYCwow no kidding@
05:26:31jhMikeSjust post the url it gives you when you've pasted
05:27:34Davide-NYCOK, check this old script for getting eclipse to build make target in cygwin...
05:28:00Davide-NYCjhMikeS: feeling nicey nice or what?
05:28:29Davide-NYCI mean that script is obviously ancient
05:28:57jhMikeSFrom the days of Archos only?
05:29:25Davide-NYCI guess
05:29:55*billytwowilly is from the days of archos only and is offended by being called ancient
05:30:13jhMikeSbillytwowilly: wasn't that like two years ago?
05:30:22Davide-NYCI have the eclipse IDE installed with the C/C++ plugin (called CDT) and I was able to check out CVS code.
05:30:40jhMikeSok...what's broken? (did you say?)
05:30:50Davide-NYCI can compile with cygwin no problem, so I'm nearly there
05:31:14Davide-NYCI have cygwin installed in C;|cygwin and eclipse installed in C:\eclipse
05:31:25Davide-NYCthat pipe symbol should be a backslash
05:31:37billytwowillyjhMikeS: I dunno..lemme think.. nope. atleast 3 years ago;)
05:32:09jhMikeSok...I'm from the days of two months after getting sound on the x5
05:32:49billytwowillyawe;) You're practically a rockbox virgin;)
05:32:59*billytwowilly used to own an archos jukebox 6000
05:33:06jhMikeSDavide-NYC: what's broken though? why are you crying "help"?
05:33:29Davide-NYCI can't make from eclipse.
05:33:43jhMikeSI'm suprise I was granted CVS access and dev status so fast. I hadn't actually looked at RB source code till july
05:33:56Davide-NYCIt can be done. I was done back in Sept 2003. But the script isnow broken.
05:34:35Davide-NYCI would love to be able to update that script, comment it up properly and then host it on the Twiki for other who want to use eclipse as their IDE
05:34:57*Davide-NYC wants to learn the damn thing and the only thing that hold his interest is RB.
05:35:19Davide-NYCcheck out this page:
05:35:25jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Man...I wish I could help but I didn't even know about it till 10 mins ago.
05:36:16Davide-NYCI htink it would benefit many. Jumping from editor to command line is clunky
05:36:46Davide-NYCcan we step through code while using the simulator?
05:37:03Davide-NYCI'd love to see some of this stuff actually 'stepping'
05:37:11infamisjhMikeS, with regards to mp3_enc, do you think this error is because the output parameters specifies 3 address registers will be read/write ("+a"), but the reg clobber list lists registers that the assembler shouldn't use as those +a registers?
05:37:15jhMikeSI'd love to see stepping on the actual hardware
05:37:20Davide-NYC(took ASM 100 years ago in college)
05:37:33Davide-NYCit's called trampling
05:37:40*scorche didnt realize ASM existed back then
05:37:46infamis...and there's not enough registers left?
05:38:09infamisI know there's a0-a7, a7=stack, so does that make the usable registers only 7 or is it less?
05:38:14jhMikeSinfamis??: amiconn check it out and there is at least one a reg left
05:38:45jhMikeSIt builds for me and you have 3.4.6 so I think your problems lie elsewhere.
05:38:57jhMikeSamiconn can build it np too on cygwin
05:39:17jhMikeSIt only uses %a5 explicitly
05:39:34infamisamiconn can build on cygwin??? wtf?
05:39:53infamiswhere else can the problem lie???
05:40:01jhMikeSwoops wrong block
05:40:04jhMikeS"a2", "a3", "a4", "a5"
05:40:05Davide-NYCI sent the author of the eclipse/rockbox guide an email. Maybe he'll update.
05:40:19jhMikeSinfamis: that's what he uses
05:40:32jhMikeSinfamis: so I know it should work...and he has 3.4.6 installed
05:40:45jhMikeSmaybe something is invoking the old tools
05:41:08infamiswhere tools=?
05:41:17jhMikeSYou probably should use the generic /usr/local/bin/m68k
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05:41:40jhMikeSI have a cygwin install on my other computer that's rotting but I'll look at it.
05:41:51sharpeevening everyone.
05:42:19infamisok, well, time for that
05:43:46infamisI'm at work & have experienced this problem on both cygwin installs so tomorrow I'll completely reinstall cygwin...if that doesn't work, I really give up (how many times have I said that...!)
05:44:02jhMikeSyou should have cygwin/opt/m68k/m68k-elf/[bin and lib]
05:44:15scorchegive in!...install vmware already! =D
05:44:25jhMikeSCopy the tools to that dir
05:44:36jhMikeSor rather their respective ones
05:44:40infamisyeah the last time I compiled, I set /opt/m68k as my prefix as that's where the existing one was
05:44:49infamiswhat tools are you talking about??
05:45:12jhMikeSall the tools to bin as...etc
05:45:50infamisoh ok\
05:45:54jhMikeS /m68k/bin should contain the exe's
05:46:17jhMikeSjust look through it and see what files go where and replace with new builds
05:46:35jhMikeSmy cygwin has 3.4.5 is that what yours had?
05:46:54infamisyeah it _had_ 3.4.5, then tonight I got up to 3.4.6.
05:48:00jhMikeSIf you have more to amiconn...he'll know exactly what to do.
05:48:34infamisyeah hopefully with a full reinstall, this stuff should work...if it does, sorry I wasted your time....
05:48:56infamisbut I need to friends keep calling & I keep lying, saying that I'm doing something for my
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06:31:03Drkepiloguedoes anyone know whos is working on the ipod port?
06:31:48scorchethere are a lot of people working on the ipod port...
06:32:13Drkepiloguehmm, really?
06:32:41Drkepiloguecuz i only saw Dave Chapman name on the wiki, so i was kinda wondering...
06:33:03scorchewell, what speciically idd you want?
06:34:07Drkepilogueiono, i was kind hoping some one would know who is working on the battery life od the ipods
06:34:39scorcheno one specifically atm...we still have yet to figure out what, specifically, is causing the problem
06:34:46Drkepilogueor, id someone is trying to figure out what is causing the 4G ipod to crash..
06:35:35Drkepilogueaccording to the wiki, it is some hardware not shutting down when not in use, and code optimization
06:36:27scorcheyes, but we do not know what specifically...
06:36:46scorcheand yes, codec optimization and code optimizatio is always there
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06:41:39EV|ServerAnyone have screen shots of rockbox on a ipod?
06:41:45EV|ServerCant find any on the website..
06:42:03Drkepiloguewhat kind of screenshot?
06:42:10DrkepilogueWPS, directory?
06:42:14scorcheEV|Server: it isnt really that important as you can change it to be how you would like
06:42:38EV|ServerLike the main screen I guess.
06:42:44EV|ServerI'm just trying to see how it looks like and all
06:43:13EV|Servernow I have to figure out how to back up my songs on my ipod to this linux machine...
06:43:23scorchewell, as for the WPS (while playing screen), here is a link with a bunch of different versions that have been user-created
06:43:43scorcheassuming you meant for the 5g...
06:43:58EV|ServerI have the photo 30gb ipod..
06:44:13Drkepilogueim getting a screen dump now...
06:44:56scorcheEV|Server: then this is the one
06:45:34EV|ServerThis is gonna be sweet..
06:46:46EV|ServerCan I take this ipod photo I got here, install rockbox and play videos on it?
06:47:17scorchewe do not yet fully support video, but it is being worked on
06:47:45Drkepilogueheres my main screen thingy
06:47:50Drkepiloguecant copy link
06:48:05Drkepilogueit is customizable..
06:48:17EV|Serverthere we go
06:48:41EV|ServerSo its basicly a theme generator for windows?
06:49:09Drkepiloguei think you DL the themes... and it will show in yur ipod..
06:49:23EV|Serverjclix themes is what I wanna use..
06:49:34scorcheEV|Server: as i said....i gave you the wrong link
06:49:43scorcheuse the one after
06:51:04EV|ServerWhoa sweet, you guys made a knight rider theme? Thats frickin cool
06:51:18scorcheEV|Server: most of those are user-created actually
06:51:50EV|ServerCan I change themes inside in the ipod without using a computer?
06:52:07scorcheas long as they are already on the device, yes
06:52:25Drkepilogueand properlly stored in files...
06:54:01EV|ServerOk, lemme figure out how to get my files off of the ipod on to this machine, then can I get some help installing rockbox on it?
06:54:12Drkepilogueipod util...
06:54:17Drkepiloguetakes yur song from yur ipod
06:54:22Drkepilogueand into comp
06:54:28Drkepiloguebut gets annoying tho
06:54:29EV|Serverin linux?
06:54:38Drkepilogueevey 50 song, gotta push button...
06:54:56EV|ServerLol, I'll be doing that alot...
06:55:01EV|ServerBeing I have 4900+ songs on it right now
06:55:13EV|ServerI really need a 100gb..
06:55:28EV|ServerI got over 11000 on the server..
06:55:32Drkepilogueisnt there a program called ipod agent?
06:55:35Drkepiloguethat does it?
06:55:40EV|ServerIm not sure..
06:55:57scorchealso, we are only here if you encounter a problem with installation....directions are here
06:56:34scorcheEV|Server: will you be installing this under linux?
06:56:59scorchethen use this link =)
06:57:58EV|Serverok hold on, lemme get my music off the ipod first
06:58:43scorcheif your ipod is fat32 formatted already, there shouldnt be a danger to your files...but it is always good to back up =)
06:59:03Drkepilogueyeah, yur music should be safe
06:59:20scorcheno need to repeat me =P
06:59:24Drkepiloguescorche, can u help me with tag cache
06:59:40scorcheif i know what the problem is...
06:59:45Drkepiloguewell iono
06:59:48Drkepiloguebut it doesnt work
06:59:55Drkepiloguei have my muc in a folder
07:00:11Drkepilogueand i got to the menu... yadi ya, and initilize tagcache
07:00:24Drkepiloguei hear the HD spin for no more than a min
07:00:27Drkepilogueand it stops...
07:00:45scorcheare you using a recent build?
07:00:46Drkepiloguei reboot ipod, change to view by id3 tag, but it doesnt work
07:01:27Drkepilogueyesterdays build
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07:02:21EV|ToshibaI need to get the music on the linux machine anyways. :)
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07:05:18scorcheDrkepilogue: delete your tagcache files and try again
07:06:41Drkepiloguedo you think
07:06:57Drkepilogueme having my ipod frimware songs affect it too?
07:07:02Drkepiloguecuz i still use the itune DB
07:07:09Drkepilogueform when i reboot into apple Frimware
07:07:49scorchewell, TagCache does have some issues with AAC/MP4 files, but try again
07:08:36Drkepiloguei did, it only commits 4 of 3...
07:08:41Drkepilogue4 of 13
07:08:48Drkepiloguei dont think i have any AAc...
07:08:51Drkepiloguebut iono...
07:09:11scorcheyou deleted all tagcache files except tagnavi.config and re-initialized?
07:10:12scorcheand you sure it is done? (the disk activity icon has stopped)
07:10:31Drkepiloguethe HD stoped whirling
07:10:35EV|ToshibaGTkpod is nice
07:10:38Drkepilogueonly takes less than 2min for some reason
07:10:51Drkepiloguei dont think it is normal
07:10:53EV|ToshibaTaken it 72 seconds to load 2190 songs
07:10:59EV|Toshibaof 4981
07:11:07Drkepiloguemaybe then
07:11:28scorcheby "HD stopped whirling" do you mean that the disk activity *icon* has stopped?
07:11:42Drkepilogueand i listent o the back of the ipod
07:11:44Drkepilogueand no sound too
07:11:47Davide-NYCIf I have applied a patch already, then subsequently made changes, but now want to create a new patch with all my changes inclusive using cvs diff command
07:12:18scorcheDrkepilogue: have you restarted your unit?
07:12:27Drkepilogueshut down, yes
07:12:28Davide-NYCcvs diff > blah.patch
07:12:36Davide-NYCwill that do it?
07:13:11Davide-NYCcvs diff -R > blah.patch
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07:13:51scorcheDrkepilogue: well, in most cases, when it fails, it is because of bad tags, embedded album art, or aac/mp4 files
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07:17:12Drkepiloguehwo do i no if my music have embedded art?
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07:41:35EV|ToshibaTomrrow I'll install rockbox on the too tired to do it tonight.
07:42:38billytwowillyit's hella easy.
07:42:43billytwowillytook me 8 minutes
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08:26:21Jazz00006hey, in plugin writing, how would i make something like the rename menu show (u know, the one with all of the letters, and characters)
08:27:03midkaycheck keyboard.h or plugin.h..
08:27:11midkayi think it's like keyboard_show() or something.
08:27:26midkayor maybe char whatever = kbd_input();..
08:28:44Davide-NYCI think some ofthe fonts included in the standard font pack should be chucked. One in particular makes no sense to me.
08:29:05midkaywhy that one?
08:29:17Davide-NYCit's so big it doesn't fit onto itself
08:29:18midkayoh,is it like too large? cut off?
08:29:26midkayyeah... that one.. could go.
08:29:31Davide-NYCmust go
08:29:42midkaywell it's been around for like a couple years so...
08:29:45midkayno rush, apparently.
08:30:09Davide-NYCI am of the opinion that there are too many too similar fonts.
08:30:28Davide-NYCBut that one just make RB look unprofessional.
08:30:45Jazz00006you mean like, 6X13,6X13B ect
08:30:45midkaysome could be weeded out, that's certainly my thought... but i guess the other hand is that it doesn't really matter, they don't take much space...
08:31:00midkayJazz00006: those are completely different and i'd say worth having..
08:31:06Davide-NYCtrue, but that crox6hbo is actually broken
08:31:17midkayDavide-NYC: well, that should be deleted, of course.
08:31:26Davide-NYCYou have CVS access?
08:31:30midkaybut as far as "too many similar ones", as long as they work they don't cause any harm...
08:31:34midkayhaha. technically :)
08:31:40Davide-NYCchuck it!
08:31:42scorchehe has wanna-be CVS access =)
08:31:57Davide-NYCscorche: do the honors?
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08:32:08midkaythat requires resettingup VMware..
08:32:27Davide-NYCcd ..
08:32:34Davide-NYCcrap wrong window haha
08:33:11Jazz00006rb->kbd_input(filename, sizeof filename); =/ so char = rb->kbd_input(filename, sizeof filename); would work?
08:33:19scorchecd ../ > cd ..
08:33:59Davide-NYCscorche: I mean that crox6hbo font is available on all targets. You should see what it looks like on the Recorder!
08:34:14scorchein that case, i will
08:34:27*scorche unplugs his recorder from the comp
08:34:40midkayJazz00006: you can't say char =..
08:34:48Jazz00006bah, u know what i mean
08:34:56midkayjust do the first one, rb->kbd whatever.
08:35:18midkayno, actually.. C requires you to be pretty specific.. one typo can mean something else entirely, let alone lacking a word/variable altogether :)
08:35:49Jazz00006yeah, like php with case sensetivity =S
08:36:03Jazz00006im still trying
08:36:35scorcheseems like i do not have that font installed
08:37:19Davide-NYCsecond to last on the list?
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08:38:07scorcheoh wow...
08:38:12scorcheneeds to be removed indeed
08:38:17Jazz00006how do u declare a string?
08:38:29Jazz00006if possible
08:39:02Davide-NYCthat font was broke even in the Gigabeat sim!
08:39:15scorchethat was pretty bad...
08:39:59Davide-NYCsay, if I wanted to make a patch that excluded certain fonts, what would I modify?
08:40:53scorchethe fonts are a separate package...
08:41:06Davide-NYCif I put a linst of the font-files in fonts/FILES and comment out the ones I don't want?
08:41:18Davide-NYCI'm doing a make fullzip\
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08:42:05Davide-NYCso I assumed that I would just explicitely list the fontfiles in FILES, but that didn;t work
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08:44:15dpassenamiconn: You have an H1x0 series player, right?
08:44:56*Davide-NYC H1x0 user lifts an eyebrow
08:45:01dpassenDo you know if the button changes made it so when shutting down the player, music doesn't stop immediately?
08:45:17amiconnYes it did
08:45:25amiconnSome people prefer it that way
08:45:34amiconnI'd rather have it stop immediately
08:45:36dpassenMe too
08:45:44*Davide-NYC three
08:45:56*Jazz00006 forth
08:46:13amiconnThe reasoning is that if it doesn't stop immediately, you can shut down the player without looking at it
08:46:28amiconnJust hold stop until the music stops
08:47:42dpassenI suppose, it seems too minor to have a setting.
08:48:24Davide-NYCamiconn: I want to reduce the number of fonts installed on a make fullzip. What is the easiest approach. I will include it in my NoMoreFun.patch patch.
08:48:27amiconnThe behaviour changed back and forth several times. First it stopped immediately. Then Slasheri made it behave like it does now. Then I changed it back to stopping immediately with some cleanup I don't remember exactly right now. The last change was then introduced with actions
08:49:22Davide-NYCany idea?
08:49:41amiconnWhy do you want that?
08:49:45dpassenYes, I feel I just got used to the immediate stop.
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08:50:20Davide-NYCI've made myself a "no fun" patch. It removes games, WPSes (almost all) and now fonts
08:50:35Davide-NYCI just want RB to compile fast fast
08:50:56amiconnfonts are irrelevant for compilatioon
08:51:10amiconn(except exactly one - the sysfont)
08:51:27Davide-NYCshoot well nevermind then! Thanks!
08:51:36amiconnThey only increase 'make fullzip' time, but who uses 'make fullzip' regularly?
08:51:54Davide-NYCthe difference is only the fonts?
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08:52:10amiconnI always just use 'make zip', after having installed a full zip months ago
08:52:43Davide-NYCwhen making a reductive patch overwriting is not always possible.
08:52:59Davide-NYCI sometimes have to delete the RB dir and reinstall
08:53:09amiconnI never delete the .rockbox dir
08:53:40Davide-NYCfor me it's easier than actually thinking about what I've removed and going in and doing it by hand
08:53:51amiconnBut then I rather want my rockbox to be complete, if only for checking bug reports
08:53:53Davide-NYCI just delete and inflate
08:54:14amiconnI don't care about some compilation time
08:54:38scorcheDavide-NYC: werent you looking for amiconn earlier about eclipse?
08:54:47amiconnIf I'd do, I wouldn't use cygwin as my main compilation environment (I also have vmware installed)
08:55:19Davide-NYCOh snap! I forgot. ;-/
08:55:30amiconnBut I prefer my convenient editor on windows over the somewhat faster compilation
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08:56:07Davide-NYCamiconn: check out this post please:
08:56:16scorcheamiconn: how can you not use that with vmware?
08:56:20amiconnAnd while that editor even works under wine, using it like that is cumbersome. Gnome doesn't show it in the taskbar when it's running...
08:57:07scorcheamiconn: why cant you just work with it through samba?
08:57:22Davide-NYCman, it's 3am
08:57:26Davide-NYC(my time)
08:57:33Davide-NYCI gotta stop this maddness
08:58:00amiconnI have no idea what could be a good ide
08:58:30Davide-NYCare you familiar with eclipse?
08:58:55amiconnI do know visual basic and visual c++ IDEs. I wouldn't like to use them for projects like rockbox
08:59:03Davide-NYCah, you cannot help me then. But I think you sould check it out.
08:59:16Davide-NYCwhy not?
08:59:46scorcheoh wait...sorry...that was infamis that was looking for amiconn...
08:59:53amiconnI just use an editor (with syntax highligting, multiple files, integrated browser, and changed file recognition), and the commandline for building
09:00:14*scorche lubs source insight
09:00:21Davide-NYCthat's what I just started doing with eclipce and cygwin
09:01:01Davide-NYCI'm trying to stay multi-platform open source in my never ending quest to transition to linux
09:01:13amiconnHmm, very probably I will stay away from eclipse as far as possible
09:01:15billytwowillyit's really easy to transition to linux;)
09:01:22billytwowillyrequest free ubuntu cd in the mail
09:01:25amiconnbillytwowilly: hahahaha
09:01:26billytwowillywait 2 weeks
09:01:27scorchei wish i could transition...
09:01:36Davide-NYCI have needs
09:01:37billytwowillyinstall in 20 minutes
09:01:46billytwowillyfez is not allowed to use linux
09:01:50billytwowillyhe'll get the keyboard sticky
09:02:16billytwowilly"I have needs"
09:02:20amiconnInstalling linux isn't that hard. And I wouldn't even order a CD, installing from web is faster
09:02:21*Davide-NYC hope this doesn't degenerate...
09:02:26billytwowillythat's fez's catch phrase from "that 70's show"
09:02:51billytwowillyguys... you have not been indoctrinated into popular culture enough;)
09:02:55amiconnBut what apps to use under linux is the big main question
09:03:05Davide-NYCI'm close
09:03:10scorchei have seen and laughed at "that 70's show" many times...but still..
09:03:10billytwowillywhat do you need still?
09:03:14Davide-NYCmaybe 90% OSS cross-platform
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09:03:30billytwowillyamarok is awesome for music.
09:03:38billytwowillyopenoffice is ok for office documents
09:03:41Davide-NYCdigidesign pro-tools
09:03:46billytwowillyazureus runs on linux..
09:03:52billytwowillykaffeine plays video files...
09:04:01scorcheew....hate azureus...
09:04:02billytwowillykonversation or xchat for irc..
09:04:12Davide-NYCsync my treo650?
09:04:19amiconnkonversation is KDE, xchat works, but is ugly
09:04:22billytwowillytreo? that palm?
09:04:31scorchethere are OSS for the treo (i have one)
09:04:32Davide-NYCyes and yes but could be no
09:04:34*billytwowilly runs KDe
09:04:50scorcheand ew for kde too...
09:04:53Davide-NYCscorche: you sync your PIM from a treo to what under linux?
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09:05:19Davide-NYCinsert the word data between PIM and from
09:05:24amiconnSome say KDE tries to (somewhat) replicate the look & feel of windows, but I strongly disagree on that
09:05:40billytwowillyyah, it totally doesn't. kde is great.
09:05:45scorchehavent done it recently, but i know there are decent solutions...i will look it up again and get back to you
09:05:59amiconnKDE is way too cluttered right after installation to be intuitive, imho
09:06:10amiconnIf I have to use linux, I prefer gnome
09:06:10billytwowillynot in ubuntu.
09:06:22billytwowillyin ubuntu they trim a whole bunch of stuff, which can be irritating.
09:06:23*scorche is more of a fluxbox/xfce person
09:06:29billytwowillybut it makes a very usuable interface
09:06:36billytwowillyyah.. fluxbox drives me nuts... too minimalist
09:06:48amiconnI tried to install ubuntu once, on my desktop. The installer crashed while booting...
09:06:51Galoisgoogle says for treo 650
09:07:05GaloisI just installed ubuntu today, no problems
09:07:12amiconnNow I'm running debain on this box for quite a while
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09:07:38amiconnIt's part of the distributed build system...
09:07:59amiconnI have to add that it is an amd64 box, running debian-amd64 of course
09:08:32Davide-NYCThis is what I mean, I don't mind compiling something if it's for a particular reason, but my PIM should just work. It's one of the most popular high end phones in america.
09:08:58Davide-NYCPlus I'm not talking Bluetooth, I just want to plug the damn thing into USB.
09:09:07Davide-NYCNobody has it working as far as I know
09:09:13Galoisif worst comes to worst, everything works in vmware except 3d graphics
09:09:42scorcheit is a nice phone =)....there are other features i would like it to have that other phones have, but i cant complain when it was free =D
09:09:43Davide-NYCtotally unacceptable.
09:10:00Galoisputting windows in the vmware sandbox is a lot better than letting it run loose
09:10:17Davide-NYCI have to sync my phone through a virtual machine? That's just crazy to me.
09:10:40Galoishonestly, I think not using a virtual machine is crazy
09:10:43Davide-NYCHey, if you write it and I can sync it to eviolution, I'll bite!
09:11:03Galoismacos time machine is moving in the direction of a virtual machine and people love it
09:11:31Davide-NYCI heard parallels has zero performance hit... as if running native
09:11:39amiconnWhat I am missing most in linux is a remote desktop feature comparable to rdp
09:11:53scorche<scorche`> Syncing over USB
09:11:53scorche<scorche`> This isn't quite working. While udev creates the /dev/tty/USB1 device as well as a /dev/pilot link to it when you push the HotSync button, pilot-xfer doesn't seem to connect to it.
09:11:53scorche<scorche`> I had read that one person could get it to connect if you started pilot-xfer about two seconds after you pushed the HotSync button. Indeed, I had that experience as well about 25% of the time. This is very unreliable, and doesn't work at all with gpilotd.
09:11:57Davide-NYCthat's funny cause I use UltraVNC
09:12:05amiconnI know there is nx/freenx, but I couldn't find any debian packages for freenx/amd64
09:12:32Davide-NYCOK need to sleep. Good night all
09:12:33amiconnVNC isn't comparable to rdp. It's significantly slower
09:12:39Davide-NYCRockbox rules,
09:12:42Galoisvirtual memory has a performance penalty as well, yet people use it
09:12:50amiconn(but still faster than many other, even commertial remote apps)
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09:13:32Galoiswindows has a better rdp and unix has a better ssh. I use the ssh more.
09:13:57Galoisrdp isn't perfect either, it lacks trivialities like font antialiasing, at least until longhorn server comes out
09:17:27amiconnI do use ssh - sometimes
09:17:51amiconnI prefer a graphical environment, even for working with a shell
09:18:01amiconnMaybe I'm spoiled by using AmigaOS for so long
09:18:13scorchessh has x forwarding...
09:18:35amiconnscorche: You can't honestly recommend that for remote...
09:18:40*billytwowilly hearts ssh x forwarding
09:18:42amiconnX forwarding is slooow in a LAN
09:19:01amiconnI'm talking about using even a modem or isdn connection
09:19:22scorchepeople still use isdn? =P
09:19:30amiconnPlus, it's not really a remote desktop.
09:19:48amiconnIf you disconnect, the apps quit
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09:20:05amiconnscorche: Sometimes there is no other option
09:20:15axxsaomfg... just released a public gmail hack, lets you easily manipulate you're google page rank... who should i contact???
09:20:16amiconns/Sometimes/in some places/
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09:31:38Siimorscan somebody explain how to check out whether I have 64mb ram patch for ipod 5g applied?
09:33:40billytwowillyI don't think you can...
09:33:48billytwowillylooking at the rockbox page on the patch anyway...
09:34:00billytwowillyyou would have selected the option in the build....
09:34:27billytwowillyoh dude.
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09:34:31billytwowilly4th comment
09:34:49billytwowillySiimors: look in Menu|Info|Rockbox
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09:35:45Siimorsbillytwowilly: but I can't compile things on my computer
09:35:54Siimorscan I get a compiled version ?
09:36:09billytwowillyit doesn't look like it.
09:36:22billytwowillyI don't have an ipod 5g.
09:36:41billytwowillyI am just using the search box available to you on the left side of the page at
09:37:10Siimorsyeah I read the link you gave me
09:37:13Siimorsthere is a file
09:37:18Siimorsand it looks like source
09:37:23billytwowillyit is.
09:37:24leftrightamiconn: with reference to the lag in stop, I also dislike the delay in stop, I prefer the immediate stop action. The delayed action drove me crazy recently as I thought the unit wasn't responding to my button presses whilst it was on my belt
09:37:45billytwowillyin the comments though. it tells you where to look to see how much memory is available.
09:38:13Siimorsbillytwowilly: yeah, it says 29.301 mb free
09:38:33billytwowillythen you don't.
09:38:42billytwowillyif you haven't compiled it yourself you don't for sure.
09:38:47billytwowillyaccording to my searches..
09:38:51Siimorsno I haven't
09:39:00Siimorscan somebody compile it for me
09:39:02SiimorsPLEASE :(
09:39:36billytwowillywhat do you need the extra ram for?
09:39:41Siimorsi want 64mb version
09:39:43billytwowillyIt probably isn't needed
09:39:47Siimorsfor battery life of course
09:40:05billytwowillythe battery life on rockbox on ipod isn't all that good anywya I think...
09:40:11billytwowillyuse that search box to look into it.
09:40:33Siimorswell it should be better if it can store 2x as much in ram
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09:43:55Slasherihmm, i just cleaned up thread.c, removed all those different static declarations for different variables and put those in cores[NUM_CORES] struct and inside that threads[NUM_THREADS]
09:45:29billytwowillymidkay: so what was that random act of violence about?
09:47:36midkaybillytwowilly: it was "about" your spreading inaccuracies and being pretty useless. why would rockbox's battery life affect the usefulness of the iPod's amount of RAM?
09:48:09billytwowillyI didn't say it would.
09:48:28midkayyou said "it's bad anyways"...
09:48:31midkayhow does that help at all?
09:48:38billytwowillyI said I thought the battery life on the ipod was lower than with the original firmware and then told Siimors to look it up
09:48:39midkayhow is that even worth mentioning?
09:48:57midkaywhy should he need to look it up? it makes no difference, he just requiested a 64MB build.
09:49:06billytwowillybecause Siimors said he wanted the extra ram to increase battery life.
09:49:13midkayand it would. why wouldn't it?
09:49:20billytwowillyI didn't say it wouldn't.
09:49:22midkayit'd be better than before, but who cares how that is in comparison to OF?
09:49:27midkayhe's choosing to use rockbox.
09:49:30billytwowillyI just didn't think it would be that big a deal.
09:49:34midkayit would.
09:49:40midkay2x the ram is actually quite a difference.
09:49:41billytwowillybecause OF is what your project is measured against.
09:49:53billytwowillyyah, I told him to look it up because I didn't know.
09:49:59midkayhe didn't ask for comparisons against the OF... nor measurements about our battery life..
09:50:12midkaythe point is that it doesn't matter and neither one of you needs to know unless he wants to.
09:50:41billytwowillyso you're saying it's not important for people to know their battery life will be much less with rockbox than with OF?
09:50:52billytwowillythat's a pretty big deal.
09:51:04midkayfor once more, he didn't ask about how rockbox fares compared to OF. he asked for a 64MB build.
09:51:11scorcheSiimors: ignoring billytwowilly, if you switch/skip songs a lot, it will not be better for your battery life....if you listen to flacs or songs for a while, then it will be much better
09:51:35scorcheerrr....minus the skipping part
09:51:57billytwowillyyah, and I didn't say I knew anything at all I said I searched the site like he could. jesus. Grow up and stop being so hostile.
09:52:13*billytwowilly makes a note to never try and help anyone again
09:52:27scorchebillytwowilly: we just dont appreciate false information =)
09:52:36midkaythat's like someone asking for "how do i download rockbox" and you saying "well you could just not install it, but you might want to install it anyways.. search the site if you want to find out how to install it."
09:53:24billytwowillyno, it's like someone saying "how do I do X?" where X is something listed on the site. and I search the site and point the person to help on the webpage.
09:53:51billytwowillywhich is what happened.
09:54:05billytwowillythen discussing the merits of said X.
09:54:07billytwowillywhich also happened.
09:54:26Siimorsscorche: i'm not skipping at all
09:54:27midkayhaha. i don't see at all how "can someone get me A" and a response saying "you might not want to do that because of Z, i don't know anything about it but you can search if you want to know about it"..
09:54:29Siimorsand listening flacs
09:55:14scorcheSiimors: you were a bit unclear there...mind rephrasing?
09:55:18billytwowillyI didn't say yo umight not want to do it. I said I thought the battery life wasn't all that good anyway so if you can't compile it yourself you may not want to worry about it. I also stated I wasn't sure, so search the site to confirm.
09:55:45Siimorsscorche: I'm not skipping songs
09:55:51SiimorsI just listen to albums from start to finish
09:56:08scorcheok...then the 64 version will do you a lot of good =)
09:56:18SiimorsI already found a complied version
09:56:26Siimorsit shows mb free in info
09:56:30billytwowillyby searching the site right?
09:56:30Siimorsbut there is a problem
09:56:33*billytwowilly rests his case
09:56:50Siimorswhich is not present on original apple firmware
09:57:06SiimorsI hear a more or less rhytmic ticking in right channel
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09:57:18Siimorsdoesn't matter if I listen to music or just browsing
09:57:25*scorche is used as a proxy by midkay to stab billytwowilly thricely
09:57:35Siimorssame if plugged in usb or running on batteries
09:58:47scorcheSiimors: hmmm..i have not heard the "ticking" issue before for ipods....for x5s and H300s, but not for ipods...
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09:59:12Siimorssorry, its there
09:59:14Siimorsits rhytmic
09:59:44aliaskWhat format file?
09:59:48Siimorsand if you listen to loud music with a lot of base
09:59:53Siimorsits not audible
10:00:03Siimorsbut if you stop
10:00:06Siimorsyou can hear it
10:00:17aliaskAh, disregard my question :)
10:00:18Siimorsalso if you listen to some piano music its in the background
10:00:34Siimorsaliask: doesn't matter, coz its present even when nothings playing
10:02:02Siimorsscorche: any ideas?
10:02:17scorchenone, but i am not the person to talk to about that =)
10:02:53scorchei am not as familiar with the ipod ports as i am with other ports
10:03:09Siimorsif other ports had this issue, was it solved?
10:04:23scorchethe x5 ticking was announced not too long ago....too short for there to be any fix as of yet...there was also the issue of ticking with the irivers and remotes, but i believe that was solved
10:04:51Siimorsok thx
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10:23:33Siimorsscorche: should i report this ipod issue somewhere?
10:30:51Slasherihmm, i think threading performance can be increased by defining to linked lists: running and sleeping and handling sleep tick timer by threading, so we can prevent unnecessary context switches
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11:08:13JdGordonits not moo time in sweden yet is it?
11:09:46crwldepends on your definition of "moo"
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11:20:26linuxstb_Siimors: One person has reported clicking from his ipod before. Do you have very sensitive headphones?
11:21:18SiimorsI'm using Sennheiser HD497 32ohm
11:22:06Siimorsthey're pretty cheap
11:22:50linuxstb_See this thread:
11:23:50Siimorslinuxstb_: not really the problem I have
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11:24:01Siimorsthe constant clicking is even when Im not touching the wheel
11:24:04Siimorsor doing anything
11:25:06linuxstb_The poster is reporting both a constant tick, and noise when he's using the wheel.
11:25:42Siimorsok, so its the same problem:)
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11:39:22Siimorslinuxstb: so basicaly - no solution?
11:39:29Siimorsfor now at least
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12:21:58*dan_a manages to reduce compile time on his server for an H120 build from 300s to 28s
12:25:16ender`dan_a: ccache?
12:25:41dan_aNo, that was enabled. I killed off the 2 processes which were eating CPU, which took the build time down to 150s
12:25:56daurnimatorhey all
12:26:05daurnimatorBagder: read anything lately? ;)
12:26:10ender`oh, haha
12:26:19dan_aThen I put the Rockbox source on a tmpfs partition, which brought it down to 28s
12:26:37Bagderdaurnimator: nope and I don't expect to do it anytime soon
12:27:01dan_aSo I'm just going through the steps to let my server be a member of the build farm
12:28:24dan_aAnd anyone else running Linux - it's a good idea to have /home/rbclient on a tmpfs partition!
12:28:43*scorche dreams of a rockbox building cluster
12:28:59Bagderwell, we do have a kind of that
12:29:22scorchethey should dedicate Blue Gene to building rockbox
12:29:34scorche*click* *done*
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12:30:11Bagderblue gene is "only" N number of POWER CPUs
12:30:26scorcheyes....we could do better
12:30:43Bagderand I mean it
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12:31:06Bagderbut it would take a few more volunteers first ;-)
12:31:06*scorche looks up current rankings
12:31:16scorchewith large pockets ;)
12:31:28Bagdera single POWER is not _that_ powerful
12:32:35Bagderfor its clock it is, but they've been left behind in the clocking race
12:34:29*Bagder worked at IBM with POWER-equipped boxes back in the early 90s
12:34:41scorchelets go with TSUBAME...just because they are the only ones on the top 10 with opterons =)
12:34:54*scorche needs to get a decent job...
12:35:26scorcheand if i say that enough, one will fall into my lap
12:38:36dan_aBagder: Could you email me the rbclient public key?
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12:38:48Bagderdan_a: certainly, hang on
12:47:01dan_aBagder: Thank you. Where do I find the script?
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12:47:18fahdoes rockbox do video at all yet?
12:47:26BagderI can copy it to you if you have the rbclient public key in place
12:47:32Bagderit'll also verify that it works
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12:47:39Bagderfah: yes, somewhat
12:51:19dan_aBagder: OK, that should be set up now at
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12:55:32dan_aIt showed in the logs as an authentication failure - I'll have a poke about and see what's wrong
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12:59:04daurn|afkmy computer keeps crashing
12:59:07daurn|afkmore than windows
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13:35:39webguest71is it possible to record in the mp3 format with the iriver h3x0?
13:40:18webguest71im running rockbox on my iriver but he only records .wav files
13:40:19*Febs goes to check to see if that patch is in CVS.
13:40:31lexhe :>
13:40:47Siimorsyour iriver is an asshole
13:41:02lexi wonder what does my ipod record
13:41:04Febswebguest71, what build are you using?
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13:41:16JasonHi all
13:41:24Siimorslex: u adress your ipod as "he"
13:41:42lexSiimors: nope :)
13:41:47lexit's just it
13:42:01Jasonis there a way how to turn volume on h20 up?
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13:42:53Siimorslex: why are you so sure about that?
13:43:08Siimorsmaybe your ipod has his own agenda but you don't know about it yet
13:43:15Siimorsspeak to him
13:43:52Febswebguest71, try a daily build from August 29 or later.
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13:44:08daurn|afki just spent 4 hours configing my tv card
13:44:11daurn|afkits working now!!!
13:44:18lexSiimors: what should i say to "him"?
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13:44:46Jason[13:43:41] <Febs> webguest71, try a daily build from August 29 or later. <−−- this one was for me?
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13:45:37Siimorssay, iPod, sing Daisy Bell
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13:46:38Siimorslex: and be careful if it starts to reffer to himself as HAL9000
13:47:15Siimorsno matter what, don't play that rockbox chess game, after that he goes crazy
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13:48:06lexSiimors: 8o
13:48:54SiimorsI heard theres a voice annotation feature in rockbox
13:49:03Siimorssomeone should create Hal9000 voice like comments
13:49:19Siimorslike when youre shutting down, it says: Just what do you think youre doing, Dave
13:52:46JasonSiimors: good idea
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13:54:37dan_aBagder: It was a permissions problem - should be OK now
13:56:16Siimorsdamn, someone should create HAL9000 theme
14:00:13Bagderdan_a: yeps, works now
14:00:39apoHm... When I play songs on my iPod, they often change to other songs during the playback, but the display still says, that it's the same song - sometimes it switches back to the first song. I assume this is due to fragmentation... Does anybody have the same problem?
14:02:41pixelmatucoz, hope you read the logs... I updated the rest of the drawings so that they show the logo and are equally detailed. You can find them at the usual place .../Player_logo.svg .../Recorder_logo.svg .../FmRecorder_logo.svg .../H100_logo.svg
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14:06:23lexhmm, can i record sound on my ipod photo?
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14:27:39Bagderdan_a: you have an there now you should edit
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14:27:52dan_aI'm just playing now.
14:28:13dan_aTrying to find out why I get "creating a DT_TEXTREL in object" warnings on sim builds
14:28:27dan_aThen I think I can volunteer my server
14:28:38dan_aOthers have had it - especially on Gentoo
14:28:48Bagderyou have all three crosscompilers?
14:29:31dan_aYes, but my sh one doesn't have the patch applied (I think it was SH that needed a patch to GCC)
14:29:46Bagderyes, sh needs it
14:30:24dan_aSo 2 of the 3 at the moment... I'll hopefully get the third set up today
14:30:26BagderI'm adding you for m68k and arm for now then
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14:30:52dan_aHi BockBilbo
14:30:55Bagderdan_a: so let me know if you get sdl and sh up and I'll add them
14:31:08dan_aBagder: Will do
14:31:12BockBilbois there any place on the net where i could find the apple_os.bin fw file for the nano?
14:31:31*Bagder runs off
14:31:57BockBilboIm going to replace the rockbox loader for the loader2, so if i have that i guess i could replace it without having to format the whole ipod
14:32:03dan_aBockBilbo: Only by extracting it from the official firmware - it is illegal for anyone other than Apple to distribute it
14:32:32BockBilboand is it illegal to send it via dcc??
14:32:43linuxstbBockBilbo: What OS are you using?
14:33:17linuxstbThen you should have kept a backup....
14:33:29BockBilbo8-) the problem is that it isnt my nano
14:33:37BockBilboi have a backup of my 60gigs ipod
14:33:53BockBilbowill that backup work on the nano?
14:34:09BockBilbothats what i though
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14:37:15linuxstbdan_a: I'm about to start looking at the COP again - do you have an updated patch, or should I keep using the same as before? I saw some changes to thread.c in CVS this morning...
14:38:39BockBilbolinuxstb, anyway, why did u ask me about my OS and then conclude that i shoud have kept a backup?
14:38:44dan_alinuxstb: I've not updated it yet, and it won't apply without some work since the crt0 changes I made - I can't remember if my patch touches thread.c though
14:39:15linuxstbBockBilbo: Because on Windows and Mac OS you can extract the firmware from the Apple update utility.
14:39:30linuxstbdan_a: OK, I won't "cvs update" then...
14:40:17BockBilboi have win installed
14:40:45BockBilboi could reboot, how do i do to extract the firmware from the update utility?
14:40:49linuxstbBockBilbo: Also, don't install the very latest Nano firmware from Apple - it doesn't work if you have either the Rockbox or ipodlinux bootloader installed.
14:40:57linuxstbI think 1.1.2 is the latest - so look for 1.1.1
14:41:27BockBilbommi have the 1.1.2 installed on my 60gb ipod and rockbox works fine
14:41:31linuxstbBockBilbo: You can use ipodwizard to extract it from the apple update .exe
14:41:39linuxstbBockBilbo: It's a Nano-only issue afaik.
14:41:55BockBilbois there any place to find the 1.1.1 binary?
14:42:04linuxstbI've no idea, sorry.
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14:46:29BockBilbothanks a lot linuxstb
14:46:32BockBilboim going to reboot now
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14:47:34dan_alinuxstb: I'm just updating the patch now to work with the latest CVS - hopefully I can do that before my girlfriend arrives and demands my attention!
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14:55:47linuxstbdan_a: OK, I've been distracted with my Elio and a screwdriver...
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14:59:56markunhi robin24
15:00:26robin24I've got a question: does anyone here use the Rockbox on the Nano IPod?
15:01:21markunsome people do, not me
15:01:37robin24Do you know how that works?
15:01:48markunwhat do you want to know about it?
15:02:16robin24I want to know how it works in general and if the installation is difficult.
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15:05:15robin24Thanks! But I thought here are some people who have some experience with this.
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15:05:52markunIf you wait long enough some ipod nano owners will be here
15:06:16robin24Sorry, but I don't want to wait... :-)
15:06:23robin24Do you use the RockBox?
15:06:35markunof course :)
15:06:39robin24How do you like it?
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15:07:15markunI like it a lot, but it probably depends on what you want to do with your player
15:07:23dan_alinuxstb: I think I've just found the bug that was stopping the COP working
15:07:45robin24So what can you do and what can't you do?
15:08:29dan_aNo, maybe not
15:08:43markunYou can't play WMA, no songs you bought online and have DRM
15:08:58robin24That's OK.
15:09:00markunThe battery will drain faster on the ipods right now
15:09:03robin24So are you blind, too?
15:09:54markunNo, I'm not
15:10:07robin24Ah, OK. I am.
15:10:13markunbut quite a few rockbox users are blind
15:10:46robin24Sorry, I have to go now. So bye and thanks for the help!
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15:24:37markunlinuxstb: hey, nice!
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15:27:26preglowlinuxstb: i was wrong... 24 bit flac struggles even when boosted
15:27:43preglowlinuxstb: even on iriver
15:29:04preglowboost ratio varies _a lot_ over the duration of a file
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15:49:20dan_alinuxstb: Updated COP patch at
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15:57:32lexmarkun: how is your gigabeat doing today? :)
15:59:34linuxstbdan_a_away: Thanks.
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16:06:21mirakI finally understood why a standart 1d idct wasn't working.
16:07:01mirakthe reason is that in the data stream the 8x8 dct matrix have the dots arenged differently. instead of having dots 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 contiguous they are like 0 2 4 6 1 3 5 7
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16:32:30markunlex: but looks like vadim had the remapping code working.
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17:28:04linuxstb_dan_a_away: I've made a little progress with the COP on my 5g. If I start Rockbox directly (i.e. put Rockbox in the firmware partition instead of a bootloader), then the COP works. But when I load Rockbox via the bootloader, it doesn't look like the COP code is being run.
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17:29:08Siimorswtf is COP?
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17:30:01linuxstb_The second CPU in the ipods.
17:30:21Siimorsit means better battery life?
17:30:35linuxstb_It probably means worse battery life....
17:30:50Siimorsbetter performance
17:31:35linuxstb_Yes. Currently Rockbox is only using one CPU, and putting the other to sleep.
17:32:28Siimorsand apple firmware is using both all the time?
17:32:36linuxstb_I don't know.
17:32:53Siimorshow come it achieves so good battery life with 2 cpus?
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17:33:33linuxstb_a) Very well optimised codecs (and only a small number of them - Rockbox has about 12); b) Hardware documentation.
17:34:06linuxstb_And probably c) A programming library to control the hardware provided by PortalPlayer.
17:34:28cariniIs there any way to produce remote keypress in the h120 sim?
17:37:55*linuxstb_ is decoding and displaying video on the COP
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17:43:13Siimorslinuxstb_: aac lc is still not supported on rockbox?
17:43:20SiimorsI tried playing theese files and they skip regulary
17:43:28SiimorsALAC sounds fine
17:43:47webguest39carini: i think you press 't' or 'r' to switch to remote mode
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17:47:21cariniwebguest93: That seems to change the remote type, but I don't know how to generate keypresses from the remote.
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17:47:38Soap[2006-09-02 11:45:21] <carini> webguest93:
17:48:26cariniSoap: *blush*
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18:46:32BigMachow many battery icons can a wps have?
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18:55:55infamisanyone got vmware (windows + linux under vm)?
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18:58:55bluebrotherBigMac, you mean the number of battery level steps? According to the manual 5.
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18:59:29BigMacyes infamis
19:00:32infamisok, I already have a dual boot install of xp + gentoo, but in the docs, it keeps saying I need an image file...but I want to just access my linux partition....know how to set that up?
19:02:08infamisit seems you have to extract a vm image to your windows partition and it runs off that; I just want it to run my already-existing linux partition
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19:03:08Xerionmake a virtual machine with direct access to the drive
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19:05:38infamishow do I make one...vmplayer can only run a vm (it seems)
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19:07:38infamis...or what is the format of a .vmx file
19:08:35dionoeadid vmware release a free util to make those files recently ?
19:09:18infamisknow the name of it?
19:09:37infamis"VMware Player runs any virtual machine created by VMware Workstation, GSX Server or ESX Server"
19:09:50dionoeano :(
19:10:04dionoeai know that some linux utils can create those virtual machines too
19:10:39infamisok, the gsx server is free
19:13:10infamisdamn the gsx server is a 150MB download...I'll try your link, dionoea
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19:14:23dionoeawell gsx server might be better :)
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19:21:57cariniI'm having a weird problem with global_settings. I print the address from init() and then from a function called from init(). In the called function, the address is 8 bytes before the address from init(). Anyone have an idea how to debug this?
19:23:08dionoeainfamis: nice links :)
19:23:31infamisyeah if I knew how to use 'em
19:23:45dionoeathe first one doesn't look too hard to use
19:24:04dionoeayou'll need to install windows or linux in the virtual machine afterwards
19:24:08dionoeabut that's not hard :)
19:24:29infamisthat's the thing though...already got everything intsalled already
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19:30:25bluebrothercarini, I had something like that too.
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19:31:32carinibluebrother: Did you ever figure it out?
19:31:43bluebrotherI was able solving that by moving my variable (char array) to a different place in the user_settings struct ... but I consider this only as a workaround
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19:33:18bluebrothersee also the logs, 2006-08-31 starting at about 15:42 −− LinusN and amiconn had the idea of some structure packing issue.
19:35:19carinibluebrother: Yeah, I worked around it by copying my setting to a file-local variable and using that instead of global_settings. But, also a work-around.
19:35:43cariniSeems weird that the address would change due to a function call, though.
19:36:32bluebrotherafter that I ran into another weird issue. Seems my new setting gets stored and read correctly but on the target settings_apply() fails on that value.
19:36:55bluebrotherlooking into the settings sector on disk reveals that it at least gets written correctly.
19:42:07cariniHmm... For me the settings was still okay at the end of settings_apply(). In fact, that was my work-around.
19:42:23cariniWhat do LinusN and amiconn mean by "struct packing"?
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19:43:07bluebrotheras far as I understood the issue it is about the placement of the structure elements in memory
19:43:18infamisI gave in, I'm just going to download the 7z RB vmware image ....
19:43:30bluebrotherthe funny thing was that in my case the value was 8 chars off in the h120 sim.
19:43:39bluebrotherbut in the h300 sim it was 4 chars of.
19:43:45infamisseems you have to already have a host to create a new vmware image
19:43:55infamisfrom within gsx server console, that is
19:44:28cariniYes, that is weird that it would be different for the two targets.
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19:47:14cariniI guess what seems really weird to me is that the address is different in main.c and my file (scrobbler.c).
19:54:21bluebrothersame for me :(
19:56:51carinifound it!
19:58:10cariniWhen main includes settings.h, user_settings includes backlight_on_button_hold, but when my file includes settings.h, that element is not included.
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20:01:23MassaHi everybody!
20:02:14cariniYup, fixed it :-)
20:03:28MassaDid anybody have a look at my token based WPS parser which I posted at the end of safetydans flyspray entry FS #4826? I would like to get some feedback before I continue...
20:03:28bluebrothercarini, how that?
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20:03:52cariniInclude button.h in settings.h.
20:04:15cariniThat way, HAS_BUTTON_HOLD is defined by anyone including settings.h.
20:04:37cariniOtherwise, the user_settings struct definitions are different if the file doesn't include button.h
20:06:47bluebrotherhmm. Pretty nasty.
20:07:06cariniHad to diff the preprocessor output to find it.
20:07:45bluebrotherhadn't looked at that ...
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20:08:42cariniI'll add a patch to flyspray. Hopefully, someone will commit it soon.
20:08:55infamiswtf I got k-lined
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20:09:48linuxstb__carini: Nice find. I had a feeling it could be something like that. So the fix is just to include button.h in settings.h? If so, I can commit it now.
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20:10:04carinilinuxstb: Yup.
20:10:38cariniHey, while you're committing, would you be interesting in committing my patch to add remote keypresses to the sim? ;-)
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20:11:20*bluebrother points to FS #5903 also ;-)
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20:12:38bluebrotherdamn, sim doesn't come up ... maybe sound device blocked?
20:12:41*bluebrother makes clean
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20:15:54*linuxstb is having a bad ADSL day...
20:16:20lexlinuxstb: can i record sound on my photo? :o
20:16:44lexand if i can, where
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20:22:03linuxstbcarini: Committed, thanks again. Sorry, I don't have time to look at real patches atm.
20:22:11infamisfor Samba to work (on rb linux through vmware), I gotta enable file sharing in windows xp, correct?
20:22:21carinilinuxstb: No problem. Thanks for committing the fix.
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20:22:46linuxstblex: In theory yes, but I haven't committed the code to CVS yet. My recording code also needs finishing and re-syncing to the current CVS.
20:23:12*bluebrother just typed "poweroff" in the wrong terminal :(
20:24:15lexhe :p
20:24:33lexi accidentally shut down two servers instead of my own computer
20:24:53lex"halt" "oops, let's try again" "halt" "oops" :p
20:25:08lexbut at the third time i managed to shut down my computer
20:29:01Galoisuse the power button instead of the command line to invoke a local shutdown...
20:29:36infamis"no network provider accepted the given network path" when typing \\debian\user from windows xp...
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20:31:25bluebrotherthe machine I wanted to shut down is to old to handle the power button via acpi ...
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20:32:42bluebrotherok, let's see if this fixes my problem on the target ...
20:32:51*bluebrother crosses fingers
20:33:15carinilinuxstb: How long does it take the commit to show up?
20:34:53*bluebrother does another try ...
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20:35:34bluebrotherdamn. Just worked on the first try :(
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20:36:01bluebrotherat least, one of two problems fixed.
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20:43:53infamisthat rockbox people map kills my computer lol..too many damn users!
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20:45:42infamisthere's no terminals in vmware rockbox
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20:52:20infamisjhMikeS, you're gonna like this: I moved over to vmware with the provided debian/rockbox image file....and guess what...SAME ERROR!!! lol
20:53:40Xeriona bit late but you can use this to make a vm for vmware player:
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20:54:28infamisthanks Xerion, I'll try that out sometime in the future
20:56:35bluebrotherinfamis, are you trying to build logf-enabled?
20:57:23infamisdamn, you beat me to it! I just figured it out too!
20:57:33bluebrotherI had this some days ago, try adding -fomit-frame-pointer to GCCOPTS in the makefile
20:57:35infamisbut yup, just did a non-logf & it worked
20:58:20infamisdamn bluebrother and all this time I thought it was cygwin/or m685k-elf-gcc-3.4.5
20:58:50bluebrotherback in a couple of minutes
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21:01:23lexis there coming a support for ext2/3 filesystem(s) to the rockbox?
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21:04:41infamisso, in the configure script, just have to add $GCCOPTS = "$GCCOPTS $GCCOPTIMIZE" (inside of whichdevel())
21:04:48infamisif they selected logf
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21:06:59infamisbagder maybe? is there a reason why we don't want optimization for logf?
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21:10:26infamis"09.53.45 # <amiconn> Using frame pointers might make debugging easier. No reason other than that, methinks"
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21:10:49infamis"09.55.40 # <amiconn> For logf() builds it's definitely unnecessary to have frame pointers"
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21:11:32linuxstbcarini: Sorry, my commit failed and I didn't notice. I've now really committed it...
21:11:44carini:-) thanks
21:13:10linuxstblex: No-one has expressed any interest in implementing any new filesystems. But that doesn't mean it will never happen.
21:13:44lexext would be so much better than fat
21:13:49lexit's free too
21:14:17linuxstbNot convenient for Windows or Mac OS users though...
21:14:32lexi'm using ext3 right now on windows actually
21:14:36lexwith ext2fsd
21:14:59linuxstbYes, but I'm sure it wasn't convenient... You won't be able to use your DAP with any Windows PC you find.
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21:15:57bluebrotherlex, is there a good way to use ext2 on windows? The driver I use behaves badly on removable drives −− I need to unmap them before disconnecting
21:16:09lexbluebrother: ext2fsd works great
21:16:17telliott_What's the best 120 gig drive for my Archos V1 recorder?
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21:16:29lexbluebrother: but you need to mount the drivers manually - type mount hdnumber partitionnumber letter: to the command line
21:17:03bluebrotherhmm, I'm using the ifs driver from
21:17:17lexa working reiserfs driver would be great
21:17:29bluebrothercorrect me,
21:18:04lexext2fsd works fine, i can play hl2 from a ext3 partition like from any ntfs partition
21:18:27holysmokesCan anyone give me a hand here? My player won't turn on after it's been rockboxed.
21:18:35bluebrotherwill mapped drives work if I disconnect them before removing the drive letter? I.e. is it sufficient to unmount the drive?
21:18:54linuxstbholysmokes: What player?
21:19:03lexhmm you mean a removable drive?
21:19:15lexi have only tried with my s-ata hds :o
21:19:31linuxstbholysmokes: Sorry, I know nothing about the X5.
21:19:42lexnow i'll go to eat
21:19:48holysmokesthanks anyway
21:20:12bluebrotherlex, yes, usb drive. Is it correct the driver can convert codepages?
21:20:32infamisholysmokes, I have an X5...
21:20:40lexbluebrother: i don't know... :)
21:20:44bluebrotheras the driver I'm currently using uses windows codepage for the filenames, messing with the utf8 filenames of the disk ...
21:20:45lexbluebrother: look at the page
21:20:52infamisholysmokes, what happens when you turn it on?
21:20:58bluebrotherI guess I'll need to give it a try. Thanks :)
21:21:33lexTasks to do next step for 0.26:
21:21:33lex1, codepage / read-only attributes support per mounting
21:21:59lexit's a pretty old project but it works
21:23:29holysmokes@infamis -> I cannot turn on the player. I've tried resetting. Nothing happens when I connect to power adapter and nothing happens when I connect via USB\
21:25:05infamisso no charging indicator when pluggin in AC? sounds pretty bad
21:25:31infamisas that is stuff rockbox does not mess with
21:25:56holysmokesyeah nothing happens. i was playing music while connected to a computer and all of a sudden it just shutdown for no apparent reason
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21:26:31infamisare you hesitant to open it up?
21:26:41infamisthe charging & usb is still handled by cowon, even with rockbox installed
21:27:10infamisfirst thing I'd do is grab a meter over the battery
21:27:16linuxstbholysmokes: So it was still working after you installed Rockbox?
21:27:27holysmokesyes it worked for a week
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21:28:01holysmokesi wouldn't know what to look for if i opened it up
21:28:33linuxstbIs it still under warranty?
21:29:25holysmokesyes. doesn't rockboxing void warranty?
21:30:10infamismost likely...that's why when I sent mine back cause the dock connector had a short in it, I reinstalled the original Cowon firmware
21:30:49infamiswhen I got it back they had installed a new version of firmware on there, meaning that they probably had it on
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21:31:52holysmokesso if I can't turn the x5 back to the original firmware, I'm pretty well screwed.
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21:32:24infamis...if they discover the problem...
21:32:53infamisit might be a hardware problem, which they fix, and when they discover something called "rockbox"...they'd already fixed it so, ...
21:35:37infamisthey might just fix it (if it's a hardware problem), and reflash just-because...before they even discover rockbox
21:36:45infamiswhen does your warranty expire? I think we have a 1-year period?
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21:41:06holysmokesYeah it's one year. I can't exactly remember when I bought it but I'm still in the period.
21:41:23holysmokesI've emailed tech support and I'll just wait to hear from them
21:44:40infamisok, they'll probably direct you here:
21:46:24holysmokesoh nice. how is their response time with these issues?
21:48:31Slasherihmm, this looks promising. i just added linked lists for running and sleeping processes to the thread scheduler. Now unnecessary context switches have been eliminated, wake_up_thread() call completely removed and list handling should be quite efficient (need to do some sort of performance testing soon). It should be also trivial now to add the priorities later
21:50:46infamispretty good; I've RMA'd mine twice so far! I shipped mine to them & they got it on 8/11/06, they shipped it back 8/14/06 and I it was delivered back to me on 8/18/06
21:51:23infamisso about 1 week turnaround time (I shipped fedex ground, they did ups ground; I'm chicago, they're california)
21:51:53holysmokesyeah that's impressive. What paperwork needs to go with the player?
21:53:32infamisall I had with it was my invoice from and when they accept your rma, you'll get an email with the title "Your RMA request is accepted." which tells you to print it out & send it back with the device.
21:54:01infamisand just make sure you throw the rma# on the outside of the box, and that was it
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21:56:11ghode|afkSlasheri: does that mean anything good for the end user?
21:56:22holysmokesok sweet ill go dig for my reciepts.
21:56:29holysmokesi really appreciate your advice man
21:56:39holysmokesyou didn't need to help
21:56:59infamisno problem...hope it gets fixed soon...and when it does, make sure you throw rockbox back on...
21:57:29holysmokesha not going to lie, ill have to think about that one
21:57:35Slasherighode|afk: it should give slightly better performance and battery usage, but probably so small that user wont notice it
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21:58:45infamisdid you say you would have to think about putting rockbox back on???!!? just playin, do what you feels best...
21:58:56infamis*feel is best
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22:00:25linuxstbSlasheri: So why do it? :)
22:01:54Slasherilinuxstb: it probably makes the code more readable/understandable and makes it easier to add some nice features to the threading in future
22:03:48 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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22:04:33webguest93Does the current RB kernel 'halt' when idle? Or busyloop?
22:04:48Slasheriyep, it puts cpu in sleep mode
22:07:33TrueJournalsI put rockbox on my H10 when it came out... and I enjoy playing solitare... but it seems that on one card mode, the first card you draw from the pile becomes "invisible"
22:07:41TrueJournalsis this a problem with the plugin or the H10 port?
22:07:48linuxstbWhich H10?
22:07:52bluebrotherTrueJournals, this is a problem with the plugin.
22:08:10TrueJournalsbluebrother: thanks... think it will be fixed?
22:08:13bluebrotherdionoea was working on that IIrc
22:08:27dionoeayeah :)
22:08:28bluebrotherI guess so but don't ask me when ;-)
22:08:36dionoeai'll commit the fix today
22:08:46bluebrotherwow, nice :)
22:08:48TrueJournalslove Rockbox by the way :-p
22:09:02*linuxstb wonders which timezone dionoea is in
22:09:17*bluebrother guesses GMT+1
22:09:36*linuxstb calculates 110 minutes left of today then
22:09:39dionoeabluebrother is right
22:09:54bluebrotherwoot! Did I win something?
22:10:14dionoeasure! you win a free copy of rockbox
22:10:25bluebrotherdamn, I already have that.
22:10:31bluebrotherhehe :)
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22:13:11telliott_I found a great deal on a 120 gig drive. What do you guys think of HITACHI Travelstar 4K120 HTS421212H9AT00
22:13:52infamisoh no
22:14:02Galoisthat's like deathstar
22:14:25infamis...which I miss
22:15:09bluebrotherI used quite some IBM / Hitachi drives without any failures
22:15:57BigMaccan someone help me with that
22:16:05BigMacit isn't displaying my battery
22:16:10infamisI'm probably exaggerating but the hitachi travelstar was the death of Rio
22:16:13BigMacit stays on batt 3
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22:16:50BigMacif you can give me a different line that may work better i'd be very appreciative
22:16:52infamis"The paste specified (#6801) doesn't exist." .....
22:17:08bluebrotherBigMac, the link gives a nice "Warning: Cannot use a scalar value as an array in /home/nmp/public_html/paste.php on line 190"
22:17:19telliott_bluebrother: What hard drive are you using now?
22:17:22BigMacill check it out h/o
22:18:43BigMacor any other optimization would be helpful
22:18:49telliott_Any problems using a drive as large as 120 gigs on a V1 recorder?
22:18:58BigMaci want to use scroll margins to make it look like vlc
22:19:14BigMacbut can't because then it couldn't be used with the cvs
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22:20:24bluebrothertelliott_, TOSHIBA MK8025GAS −− but I used a Hitachi drive for over 2 years in that machine
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22:20:59bluebrotherI replaced it for space reasons, and there wasn't a suitable drive from Hitachi available the time I changed it.
22:22:09telliott_Cool. Newegg has that drive for about $100. Looks like a great deal.
22:22:22BigMacso no help anyone?
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22:23:36bluebrotherBigMac, your link only gives an error thus no way to have a look at your current work
22:24:01bluebrotherwoops, missed the second link.
22:24:12BigMacyah check that out
22:24:36lexgood night ->
22:27:16bluebrotherBigMac, looks fine to me.
22:28:04telliott_I'm hoping to keep my V1 recorder going till high capacity (At least 30GB) flash players are out and affordable.
22:28:46telliott_It wasn't that long ago that 128 meg flash players were expensive.
22:29:20bluebrotherit's always kinda annoying to see how prices on computer stuff are dropping
22:30:32Bagderlinuxstb: LordOfThePings in the forum most probably has a 010301 header, as one the 722 mi4 on my page is a such
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22:43:51linuxstb_Bagder: I'm sure that's true. It's odd that he appears to have identical hardware to me though, and the pp5020.mi4 installed on my player is the same as the one in the latest official firmware upgrade.
22:44:13Bagderlinuxstb: but I have a mi4 upgrade for the 722 that is a 010301
22:44:35Bagderso it might be that your HW aren't identical
22:45:31telliott_Anyone else using a 120 gig hard drive in an Archos?
22:45:46Bagdertelliott_: many do
22:46:37linuxstb_The box my player came in says both P722 and TPJ-1022 on it - I think he must be using the P722 firmware, and I'm using the TPJ1022 firmware.
22:46:55Bagdersounds like a reasonably theory
22:48:39linuxstb_That's going to be a pain if users can have both v2 and v3 bootloaders in the same hardware...
22:50:15Bagderyes, and the 722 even seems like it used to be 010201 but is upgradable to 010301
22:50:35linuxstb_It seems that if I go to and select "products", I'm only given the TPJ-1022 option. If I instead select "support", I'm only given a P722..
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22:50:59linuxstb_With two different firmware download pages...
22:51:53linuxstb_The P722 is newer though - December 2005 compared to June 2005 for the TPJ.
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22:53:48Davide-NYCWhat targets does Mmmm's new recording statubar affect?
22:54:07Davide-NYCJust SWCODEC targets, or also the older archos targets?
22:54:13webguest68Hi there!
22:54:42webguest68I have no idea how this works here...
22:54:57TrueJournalslol, installing rockbox, what rockbox is, or what?
22:55:02linuxstb_webguest68: You type, other people either ignore you or reply...
22:55:30Davide-NYCI get a compile error on X5 sim on make
22:55:31webguest68I just wanted to upload my new created WPS to the rockbox wiki
22:56:18webguest68... and then they said that I have to ask for permission...
22:56:32Davide-NYCCan anyone tell me what this means?
22:56:33webguest68anyone know how this works?
22:56:34Davide-NYCAR+RANLIB /home/Administrator/rockbox-devel/sim.X5/libcodec.a
22:56:35linuxstb_What is your wiki name?
22:56:35Davide-NYCmake[2]: *** No rule to make target `button-target.h', needed by `/home/Administ
22:56:37Davide-NYCrator/rockbox-devel/sim.X5/apps/codecs/vorbis.o'. Stop.
22:56:38Davide-NYCmake[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2
22:56:40Davide-NYCmake: *** [all] Error 2
22:57:23webguest68my wiki name is AlexanderJaudas
22:59:42linuxstb_webguest68: You should be good to go.
23:00:06webguest68oh, thank you very much !!!
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23:00:45webguest68... because I'm realy proud that I was able to create a WPS .... :-)
23:01:50TrueJournalswhat player did you create a WPS for?
23:02:01infamisDavide-NYC, what were your configure options?
23:02:16infamisbuilds fine for me (x5, devel: logf+sim)
23:02:20Davide-NYCtarget 30 (X5) simulator and sdl
23:02:41webguest68I made a WPS for the iPod Nano
23:02:48TrueJournalsah ok...
23:02:49Davide-NYCconfused, what is devel: logf+sim
23:02:52TrueJournalsdarn :-p
23:03:20Davide-NYCinfamis: using cygwin on winxppro sp2
23:03:27infamiswhen you choose (D)eveloper, it asks what options you want (logf/debug/simulator/profiling)
23:03:39infamis(D) instead of (S)imulator
23:03:48Davide-NYCI'll try that
23:04:06webguest68sorry, but I have no idea how this IRC chat thing works... So... thanks again and good bye!
23:04:12infamishold on I'll just try the normal way
23:04:20Davide-NYCwait, I get the sim running, but I still wanted to report that error
23:04:25TrueJournalssee ya webguest68
23:04:31linuxstb_webguest68: It works exactly how you just used it...
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23:06:22infamishey Davide-NYC (scorche would like this) should just use vmware instead of cygwin....
23:06:40infamisI recently moved over, and I did ask myself the "why" question brought up last night
23:06:45BagderDavide-NYC: I get the problem too...
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23:07:23Davide-NYCbadger, the sim works though... but that error saying something about target buttons has me conserned
23:07:59*Davide-NYC wonder what he actually learned in high school, let alone college
23:08:10 Quit webguest00 (Client Quit)
23:08:49Davide-NYCsorry to repeat myself, but when I build archos sims I do not see the new status bar in the 'WRS'. Is this by design?
23:08:53infamisahh...settings.h was updated....I was using old cvs stuff
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23:09:12infamisget the error now too
23:09:24Davide-NYCit's contageous
23:10:10linuxstb_So it was my commit that broke the sim?
23:10:47BagderI think it might've been that
23:10:48infamisseems like it
23:11:04Davide-NYCso far I've only seen that error on the X5 sim
23:11:12Bagderbut its not clear to me exactly why...
23:11:31Davide-NYCso far built FMRec, H120cd ..
23:12:20*Davide-NYC wished for an app that would track eye movement and focus application windows accordingly
23:12:26Bagderthe problem seems to be that button.h includes button-target.h for target_tree devices, even when built as sim
23:13:37Bagderhm, no
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23:15:19Bagdernow I see it
23:15:34Bagderthe target_tree include paths are not properly passed on when the dep-files are generated
23:15:50nicoxcan anybody help me with the installation of rockbox on a Elio TPJ-1022 ?
23:16:13Bagdernicox: rockbox doesn't work on that yet, we only have early testings going on
23:16:18Davide-NYCno error for a H320 sim build
23:16:36Davide-NYCI think it's X5 in particular?
23:16:38Bagderno, that's not a target_tree platform
23:16:58nicoxreally not working, or is the first test okay?
23:17:07nicoxcan i try the first test version?
23:17:12nicoxhow can i try?
23:17:26Davide-NYCbadger: trying to help but am unsure of what target_tree platform is?
23:17:37linuxstb_We can read some of the buttons, and read/write to disk. Nothing is displayed on the LCD.
23:17:55BagderDavide-NYC: its the new way of storing device/platform-specific code in the firmware source code tree
23:18:17Bagdernicox: build a rockbox bootloader for it
23:18:23Bagderand join in the fun
23:18:25Davide-NYCwhat target have had their data stored this way so far?
23:18:38BagderDavide-NYC: x5, h10, gigabeat, etc
23:18:49Bagderbasically the newest ones
23:18:51Davide-NYCbuilding gigabeat sim as we type!
23:18:56nicoxhow can i build a bootloader for it?
23:19:13Bagdernicox: get the code, build a cross-compiler, run tools/configure and make
23:19:53Davide-NYCnicox: watch out these guys are serious and this stuff is addicting! I could compile a pile of dirt 2 months ago
23:20:22Davide-NYCNo I got me a no fun patch and made a change to the Twiki! Woot.
23:20:26*dionoea has 40 minutes left to start working on solitaire
23:20:57*TrueJournals thinks dionoea should hurry up >:O
23:21:01TrueJournalsjust kidding of course
23:21:03infamisdionoea, you're supposed to be working on it, not playing it
23:21:04linuxstb_dionoea: Just pretend you're Australian - you're day is about to begin.
23:22:17nicoxhm... i will try to get the cross compiler working, and will try the bootloader
23:22:20Davide-NYCbadger: error on Gigabeat sim build. you are on the right track.
23:22:29Bagderyeps, I see the problem
23:22:34Bagderfix coming up, testing it now
23:22:44dionoealinuxstb_: hehe :)
23:23:13linuxstb_dionoea: You broke the golden rule - never estimate release dates.
23:23:31dionoeai don't know if you people read about this on slashdot, but it's amazing!
23:23:35Davide-NYCinfamis: I'm stuck with cygwin until I find the time to extricat my raid array from my workstation into a dedicated fileserver.
23:23:38infamislinuxstb_, ain't that the truth
23:23:47dionoealinuxstb_: i'm estimating "start working on it" dates :)
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23:24:18linuxstb_22.08.36 # <dionoea> i'll commit the fix today
23:24:33infamisDavide-NYC, forget about all that crap, grab you a generic disk drive & throw vmware on it!
23:25:02dionoeai never said that
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23:26:51Davide-NYCI need to remove the RAID controller.
23:27:13Davide-NYCremove it from my workstation. That is what's causing the problem
23:28:12infamisjhMikeS, error that I thought was cygwin was cause there's no more address registers left unless you disable the frame-pointer, in which you gain an extra address register (4 address registers listed in clobber list + 3 for read/write operands + frame pointer = 8 registers, but we only have 7 usable since a7 is stack)
23:28:47Bagderthat's no cygwin's fault, that's gcc
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23:29:17infamiswe _originally_ thought it was a cygwin problem
23:29:54infamisso jhMikeS, just use one less address register ;)
23:30:21infamiswith some manual asm optimization....
23:31:20Bagderfix committed
23:31:32infamisI would do it but I'm not adept at m68k asm
23:33:07nicoxis there a chance to get the display working ? if there is a chance, when do you know a source is availabable?
23:33:45infamisbagder, fix works on my side
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23:34:14dionoeaamiconn: which bug am i supposed to fix btw ?
23:34:16TrueJournalsI'm not sure (I don't develop) but I think the fastest way for them to figure out how to get the LCD working would be to open the player up and figure out how it's hooked up
23:34:22TrueJournals(that was to nicox)
23:34:24Bagdernicox: there is a chance but its not possible to know when or if it will be working
23:34:27dionoeaor TrueJournals ?
23:34:50BagderTrueJournals: not really, the way is rather to disassemble the bootloader/firmware
23:35:00TrueJournalsdionoea: When you have it set to "Draw one card", the first card you draw from the stack (everytime) is invisible
23:35:05TrueJournalsOh, my bad :-p
23:35:07nicoxthere are some pics on wiki!?
23:35:10dionoeaDraw one card is cheating
23:35:19TrueJournalsit's still a bug :-\
23:35:38dionoeathat why i never noticed that bug :)
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23:39:12Bagdernow that screwed up builds...
23:39:34infamislol, I wasn't going to say it
23:39:50Bagder470 points to me
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23:45:48Siimorsgetting solitare to work properly is priority number 1 , of course
23:45:56infamisbagder, don't know why, but a #ifdef SIMULATOR before #include "button.h" in settings.h works for sim & normal builds
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23:53:23telliott_I just purchased the HITACHI Travelstar 4K120 120 gig drive for about $104 (with shipping) from newegg. Thanks for your help.
23:56:35dionoeacrap, i commited 4 minutes too early
23:58:17Bagdershame on you!

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