| 00:00:00 | barrywardell | i don't mean build the manual. i just mean open the file with a text editor and look for CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD |
| 00:00:07 | barrywardell | you will see the keymaps there |
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| 00:00:18 | barrywardell | it's the same for all plugins |
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| 00:01:03 | Arathis | Yes, I understood that. But _I_ meant that I downloaded the CVS to build the manual, not that I'll build it now ;) |
| 00:01:17 | barrywardell | ah, ok. sorry |
| 00:01:38 | Arathis | btw, how much memory does the tag-cache use of the flash in % ? |
| 00:02:25 | barrywardell | i don't know how much memory it uses, but it uses disk space, not flash |
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| 00:02:26 | Arathis | just asking because when I wanted to quit the jpeg viewer he said "not enough plugin memory" and showed the keys instead of showing the menu |
| 00:02:39 | barrywardell | you can also set it to use ram for faster browsing of music |
| 00:02:43 | Arathis | I activated "to RAM" |
| 00:02:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | RAM still isn't flash |
| 00:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And TagCache and Plugins use different portions of RAM anyway |
| 00:03:02 | cinic | Hello, I installed the rockbox on my nano ipod and when I open my ipod one tells me www.apple.com/support/ipod That must I make? |
| 00:03:02 | Arathis | hm, that's right |
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| 00:03:37 | linuxstb | cinic: You made a mistake somewhere in the installation... |
| 00:03:55 | Arathis | mixed sth. up there, sry |
| 00:04:33 | cinic | linuxstb : TI must start again the installation? |
| 00:04:37 | cinic | linuxstb : I must start again the installation? |
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| 00:05:00 | Arathis | what is JPEG_ZOOM_PRE ? |
| 00:05:41 | linuxstb | cinic: Maybe not. Can you tell me the filesize of the following files you created during the installation? bootpartition.bin, apple_os.bin and rockboot.bin? |
| 00:06:03 | Arathis | barrywardell: JPEG_ZOOM_IN (BUTTON_PLAY | BUTTON_REL) | does that mean it isn't defined yet and the two in brackets are possible solutions? |
| 00:06:32 | barrywardell | it means that zoom in is Play+release |
| 00:06:47 | barrywardell | so short press of play |
| 00:07:02 | barrywardell | zoom out is play+repeat so long press of play |
| 00:07:44 | linuxstb | That sounds confusing... |
| 00:07:57 | Arathis | and what is JPEG_ZOOM_PRE ? |
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| 00:09:43 | barrywardell | i'm not totally sure |
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| 00:10:26 | barrywardell | i think it's used when you have the same button doing different things depending on whether it's a long or a short press |
| 00:10:58 | Arathis | #define JPEG_ZOOM_PRE BUTTON_PLAY |
| 00:11:02 | Arathis | that's the whole line |
| 00:11:14 | * | barrywardell isn't too familiar with button code |
| 00:11:38 | amiconn | Yes. The _PRE means precondition, i.e. Zoom in triggers on release of Play _only_ if the previous button event was pressing Play |
| 00:12:02 | barrywardell | Arathis: it doesn't do anything by itself, it's just used for the next two lines |
| 00:12:04 | Firefly | Ok I have a problem. I installed Rockbox on my brother's 4th generation iPod and now he cannot access it from his PC |
| 00:12:20 | amiconn | Zoom out is triggered by a long press, i.e. when button repeat kicks in |
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| 00:12:29 | linuxstb | Firefly: Is he using a firewire connection? |
| 00:12:34 | Firefly | yes |
| 00:12:53 | amiconn | Without th e_PRE, releasing the button after the long press (when you zoom out) would trigger the zoom in as well |
| 00:13:13 | amiconn | The _PRE suppresses that |
| 00:13:36 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't detect firewire, so he'll need to manually reboot into disk mode. From rockbox, hold PLAY for a few seconds to shutdown cleanly, then press SELECT or MENU to turn it back on, and then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY. He'll probably need to hold MENU+SELECT to reboot and leave disk mode when he's done. |
| 00:14:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do we know how to detect firewire? |
| 00:15:03 | linuxstb | I'm not sure... I don't have a cable, so haven't investigated. |
| 00:15:25 | amiconn | I don't have a cable either (assuming the mini g2 still supports firewire) |
| 00:15:34 | Firefly | does rockbox detect usb fine? |
| 00:15:35 | amiconn | The newer ipods don't afaik |
| 00:15:53 | linuxstb | Yes, I think everything up to the Nano and 5g supports firewire. The very early ipods were firewire only (no USB). |
| 00:16:05 | linuxstb | (everything before the Nano/5g) |
| 00:16:16 | Arathis | barrywardell: play for zoom works. too bad there are only two zoom sizes. and the H10 isn't capable of images with 512,9 KB, 950x860. 62 KB, 700x900 works, so it's not the resolution, but the filesize :/ |
| 00:16:42 | Arathis | at that he shows what I described earlier: keys and memory problems |
| 00:16:53 | amiconn | My Laptop has firewire (marked i.link) as well, so if I could find the necessary cable as well... |
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| 00:17:59 | Bagder | libwmanmsad.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), not stripped |
| 00:18:20 | Bagder | there's a WMA codec to reverse engineer ;-) |
| 00:18:37 | Bagder | symbols to the people |
| 00:19:11 | linuxstb | Sounds like fun. I think ffmpeg's C implementation is simpler to follow though... |
| 00:19:26 | Bagder | but this is fixed-point |
| 00:19:28 | linuxstb | Where did that lib come from? |
| 00:19:33 | Bagder | neuros svn |
| 00:19:40 | Bagder | http://svn.neurosaudio.com/listing.php?repname=linux-442-plugins&path=%2Ftrunk%2Flib%2F&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 00:19:56 | Arathis | barrywardell: reading the manual is a good thing..every time: "To be able to view a bigger file you may need to stop playback." |
| 00:19:57 | barrywardell | Arathis: i think plugins are limited to 512KB? |
| 00:19:59 | Firefly | what kind of language does rockbox use |
| 00:20:43 | barrywardell | Arathis: ah, maybe I was wrong so. I've never used the jpeg viewer |
| 00:20:53 | Jason | i would say C and assembler |
| 00:21:06 | linuxstb | I would say Jason would be accurate. |
| 00:21:15 | Firefly | hmm maybe it cuold be ported to the ds... |
| 00:21:18 | Arathis | but still the zoom in is still not good enough to i.e. read a webcomic with the dimensions as shown above |
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| 00:21:52 | Bagder | why is it "not capable" ? |
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| 00:23:16 | Arathis | Bagder: who are you talking to? |
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| 00:23:43 | Bagder | you said it couldn't deal with a pic of 500KB |
| 00:24:08 | Arathis | yes, that was becuse I had music playback the same time and there wasn't enough memory |
| 00:24:28 | Bagder | with music still playing, right |
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| 00:26:54 | Arathis | that's weird: in brickmania there are two ways of releasing a the ball. to the right and to the left. on H10 reight is scroll up and left is play. in brickmania.c it says "#define SELECT BUTTON_PLAY" and "#define UP BUTTON_SCROLL_UP" and I don't know what "#define DOWN BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN" is needed for in brickmania. |
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| 00:27:35 | linuxstb | Arathis: It's probably used in the menu. |
| 00:28:24 | linuxstb | Bagder: Is anything interesting coming out of Neuros? |
| 00:28:31 | Bagder | nah |
| 00:28:59 | Bagder | I'm tracking it, but there's not much for us there |
| 00:29:22 | markun | Bagder: is rasterman still working with them? |
| 00:29:29 | Bagder | yes I think so |
| 00:29:40 | Arathis | barrywardell: ah, yes. didn't think of that. |
| 00:30:11 | Arathis | but that is quite bad for comfort in the game itself :/ |
| 00:30:24 | Arathis | H10 isn't really made for gaming ^^ |
| 00:33:27 | barrywardell | those buttons can be changed if you find a better way to use them. it might make play a bit easier |
| 00:34:44 | Arathis | the problem is touchstrip is the best way to go through menus. how could I change this? |
| 00:35:51 | barrywardell | what do you want to change? |
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| 00:36:45 | Arathis | sorry, I think I'm a bit tired. |
| 00:37:13 | Arathis | barrywardell: which buttons where you refering to? |
| 00:37:52 | barrywardell | the buttons for brickmania. |
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| 00:37:56 | * | barrywardell is tired too |
| 00:38:48 | Arathis | so did you mean to change the gamecode or just the keymap? |
| 00:39:11 | Arathis | I don't realy get what you wanted to say. |
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| 00:40:51 | barrywardell | i mean you can change the keymap so that the game is more comfortable to play |
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| 00:41:11 | Arathis | that's my problem |
| 00:43:07 | Arathis | select for the menu is the same as releasing the ball to the left ingame. I would have this on scroll_down, but this is down in the menu and so can't be select at the same time |
| 00:44:16 | Arathis | the problem is, that there are no seperate definitions for release and menu navigation. |
| 00:44:28 | Arathis | or ingame and menu navigation at all |
| 00:45:33 | Arathis | wait. didn't think about buttons having more than one select-mode |
| 00:46:27 | Arathis | scratch that. that dosn't solve the problem |
| 00:48:27 | barrywardell | ah,ok. it would need some more editing of the code to get it working then |
| 00:48:54 | amiconn | barrywardell, Arathis: The plugin RAM is 512KB. If plugins only use that, they can work in parallel with music playback. But plugins can also request to use the main buffer, which is much larger. Doing so will stop playback |
| 00:48:55 | Arathis | yes. but I won't do that today. perhaps another time |
| 00:49:36 | amiconn | The jpeg viewer does both. If you're viewing a small image and/or use lowe zoom levels, it keeps the music playing |
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| 00:49:42 | barrywardell | amiconn: thanks for clearing that up. i was a little confused by it |
| 00:49:56 | amiconn | If you zoom in further, it should ask whether it's allowed to stop playback |
| 00:50:02 | Arathis | amiconn: ..or won't let the plugin work, but music still plays |
| 00:50:18 | Arathis | it hadn't even loaded the image |
| 00:50:26 | Leovinus | hi |
| 00:50:31 | amiconn | Some other plugins always use the main buffer and therefore stop playback as well: rockboy and doom |
| 00:50:33 | Arathis | amiconn: but are there realy only two zoomsizes? |
| 00:50:47 | amiconn | No, there are 4 zoom levels |
| 00:50:57 | amiconn | 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and full size |
| 00:51:10 | Arathis | do I need to activate them ? |
| 00:51:22 | Arathis | cause I only get two here |
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| 00:51:29 | amiconn | The plugin chooses the largest one that completely fits the display with a new picture |
| 00:52:04 | amiconn | Then you can zoom in up to full size (if you allow playback to be stopped, or don't have it running in the first place) |
| 00:52:42 | amiconn | With very small images, you won't see all zoom levels |
| 00:52:58 | Arathis | aahhh. playback was the key again. thanks for clearance |
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| 00:53:55 | amiconn | For some reason the request to stop playback doesn't work properly if the small zoom level fits without stopping playback, but higher levels would need to stop |
| 00:54:05 | Arathis | great. now I can read my beloved webcomics on the go ^^ |
| 00:55:22 | Arathis | rimfrost on H10. almost as great as rockbox XD |
| 00:56:52 | preglow | are multithreaded plugins possible? |
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| 00:57:32 | amiconn | preglow: Sure, why not? |
| 00:57:41 | preglow | amiconn: no idea, just wondering |
| 00:57:46 | linuxstb | preglow: I certainly hope so (for mpegplayer's sake)... |
| 00:57:50 | preglow | would be kind of cool if the jpeg viewer decoded the image why you viewed it |
| 00:57:54 | preglow | while |
| 00:57:56 | Soap | I just ordered 8 ipod dock connectors from ridax. Now I just need to bribe linuxstb to release the recording code. |
| 00:58:09 | amiconn | preglow: How should that work? |
| 00:58:22 | amiconn | The plugin doesn't know what the user will do next |
| 00:58:41 | Arathis | lol. dicing in rockbox. there must be some rpg-fan coding rockbox plugins :) |
| 00:58:59 | preglow | amiconn: one thread working on decoding the entire image, while the main thread lets you navigate what has been decoded so far |
| 00:59:07 | amiconn | Btw, of course starting threads in plugins does work. How else would tsr plugins be possible? (battery_bench, alpine_cdc) |
| 00:59:36 | amiconn | As long as you don't use up all slots in the scheduler... |
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| 01:05:50 | Arathis | barrywardell: doom prduces an error when starting it :( |
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| 01:06:40 | barrywardell | it works fine for me. you need doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad |
| 01:07:10 | barrywardell | the sound is a bit off though. very high pitched |
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| 01:07:24 | barrywardell | i've yet to look into why |
| 01:07:46 | amiconn | That's probably because your pcm driver doesn't support setting the sample rate yet |
| 01:07:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Change the #ifdefs at the top of doom/i_sound.c |
| 01:08:33 | Arathis | barrywardell: where do I need to put the files? they don't seem to be in the bloody edge build |
| 01:08:37 | linuxstb | barrywardell: They probably shouldn't be checking for ipod keypads, but for audio codecs - as amiconn said, the WM* codecs only support 44.1KHz at the moment. |
| 01:08:49 | markun | Arathis: search the wiki |
| 01:08:50 | barrywardell | linuxstb: will do |
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| 01:11:09 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Try replacing the IPOD keypad checks with #if defined(HAVE_WM8721) || defined(HAVE_WM8731) || defined(HAVE_WM8975) || defined(WM8758) |
| 01:11:38 | linuxstb | or maybe the reverse - set to 11025Hz if defined(HAVE_TLV320) || defined(HAVE_UDA1380) |
| 01:11:46 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i was just about to ask you if that would work :D |
| 01:12:06 | barrywardell | it looks like the second one is better |
| 01:12:57 | linuxstb | Or fix the audio driver... :) |
| 01:13:02 | linuxstb | (all three of them) |
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| 01:13:45 | markun | linuxstb: I put a HAVE_WMCODEC define in config.h |
| 01:13:52 | markun | might be useful |
| 01:14:51 | linuxstb | It would. |
| 01:15:26 | markun | I can give you my latest wmcodec patch tomorrow, have to sleep now |
| 01:15:28 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ok the third option would be best. but I'm not too keen on getting into that right now, so maybe I'll use HAVE_WMCODEC instead |
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| 01:16:41 | amiconn | WM8711/8721/8731 won't support 11025Hz |
| 01:17:19 | amiconn | Iirc (from the ipl sources) this codec family can either do 8000Hz, or 32000Hz and up |
| 01:17:21 | Arathis | I have tagcache_0.tcd till tagcache_5.tcd and a tagcache_idx.tcd in my .rockbox folder on the player. is this normal? |
| 01:17:55 | barrywardell | i guess that rules out option 3 then. phew! |
| 01:18:02 | Jazz00006 | ARATHIS: yes |
| 01:18:12 | Jazz00006 | you have tag cache on |
| 01:18:41 | Arathis | okay. just thought it might be because I started tag-cache initialization more than one |
| 01:19:08 | Jazz00006 | =) when i run it once, it makes all 5 files. |
| 01:19:22 | Jazz00006 | so youve done nothing wrong =) |
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| 01:19:53 | Arathis | phew |
| 01:20:47 | Arathis | doom is missing base wad. do I need a original doom or is it enough to rename doom1. to doom.wad? |
| 01:21:00 | amiconn | Don't rename wads |
| 01:21:13 | amiconn | The shareware wad needs to be named doom1.wad |
| 01:21:34 | cinic | help me .. does the APPLE logo flicker and loading firmware also, but that has flickered for approximately 5 minutes? |
| 01:22:11 | amiconn | If you have at least one of the supported wads and rockdoom.wad in /games/doom, it should work |
| 01:23:27 | Arathis | I have doom1.wad and rockbox.wad in there |
| 01:24:05 | Arathis | ups. it should be in / or in /.rockbox/ |
| 01:24:08 | Arathis | *? |
| 01:24:46 | Jazz00006 | he said, /games/doom |
| 01:24:52 | Arathis | okay |
| 01:25:07 | Jazz00006 | from the root dir, games -> doom -> doom1.wad |
| 01:25:32 | Arathis | a 'move to' in the context menu would be great :) |
| 01:25:53 | Jazz00006 | How would i pause a plugin, but make it still disply text? because |
| 01:25:54 | Jazz00006 | rb->lcd_puts(0, 2, "test"); |
| 01:25:54 | Jazz00006 | rb->sleep(HZ); |
| 01:25:57 | Jazz00006 | doesnt work |
| 01:26:05 | linuxstb | Arathis: It's called rename |
| 01:26:23 | Arathis | with rename you can move a file? oO |
| 01:26:30 | linuxstb | Jazz00006: You need an rb->lcd_update() |
| 01:26:34 | Arathis | can you rename the whole path there? |
| 01:26:35 | Jazz00006 | cheers |
| 01:26:45 | linuxstb | Arathis: Yes. |
| 01:26:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: There's cut & paste... |
| 01:27:02 | Arathis | oh. cool. I should read the menu at some time ;) |
| 01:27:04 | amiconn | Way easier than misusing rename |
| 01:27:17 | * | linuxstb too |
| 01:27:29 | * | amiconn raises an eyebrow |
| 01:27:33 | Arathis | but moving whole dir recursively isn't possible, or am I wrong again? |
| 01:27:44 | amiconn | Should work |
| 01:27:54 | amiconn | Just cut & paste the dir |
| 01:28:45 | Arathis | works. rockbox is much cooler than I ever thought |
| 01:28:53 | * | linuxstb wants tab-completion in the vkeyboard for filenames and paths... |
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| 01:32:09 | Arathis | linuxstb: a system like T9 for textwriting would be great too *dreaming* |
| 01:32:34 | amiconn | More like T6 on a number of targets... |
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| 01:32:58 | amiconn | Dunno whether that already works, but the vkeyboard supports morse input |
| 01:33:06 | amiconn | works on H10 that is |
| 01:35:33 | Arathis | amiconn: what about the H10? |
| 01:35:41 | * | Arathis seems to be realy tired .. |
| 01:36:45 | barrywardell | other than the WMCODEC, are there only TLV320 and UDA1380 codecs? |
| 01:37:17 | barrywardell | ie. if i commit the DOOM sound fix, will it break any other targets? |
| 01:37:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Unless the IPL people just haven't coded it, none of the WM codecs appear to support 11.025KHz... |
| 01:38:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell: From the targets Doom runs on (i.e. excluding Archos and iFP7xx), I think that's the full list of codecs. |
| 01:39:11 | barrywardell | ok, thanks |
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| 01:51:33 | Arathis | good night boys |
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| 02:07:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: From the data sheet it really looks like the WM8731 family supports 8, 32, 44.1, 48, 88.2 and 96kHz only |
| 02:08:58 | Davide-NYC | Help please with a bash command. I'm trying to bmp2rb a bunch of bitmaps and have the output append to a textfile. Fumbling with the syntax. |
| 02:09:16 | Davide-NYC | all BMPs are in the same dir. |
| 02:11:22 | Davide-NYC | "for x in ./* ; do ../../tools/bmp2rb.exe > ../test.txt $x ; done" |
| 02:11:42 | Davide-NYC | I only get the last entry. I do not know how to append data to the end of a text file. |
| 02:11:48 | Davide-NYC | :-( |
| 02:12:31 | amiconn | Use >> instead of > |
| 02:12:53 | amiconn | (and empty or remove the file before running the for loop) |
| 02:13:38 | Davide-NYC | that's to clear out what's there now corrent? |
| 02:13:44 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:13:48 | Davide-NYC | thanks! |
| 02:14:07 | * | Davide-NYC can't believe a month ago never used command line for anything |
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| 02:30:23 | TrueJournals | Hey.. can anyone help me with compiling rockbox on windows with cygwin? |
| 02:31:05 | Davide-NYC | Where are you at withthe process? |
| 02:31:15 | amiconn | The various HAVE_* for the audiocodec/dac are ugly... |
| 02:31:18 | TrueJournals | I have everything I need... |
| 02:31:44 | TrueJournals | I have the build directory, cd to it, type ../tools/configure, answer the questions, but it doesn't put a makefile in the build directory |
| 02:31:44 | Davide-NYC | have you installed cygwin?> |
| 02:32:07 | TrueJournals | Everything I need seems to be installed fine... |
| 02:32:19 | Davide-NYC | you have the source? |
| 02:32:26 | TrueJournals | I have the source |
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| 02:32:42 | Davide-NYC | of course, you answered the configure question |
| 02:32:47 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 02:32:55 | Davide-NYC | no error message? |
| 02:33:00 | TrueJournals | no error message |
| 02:33:08 | * | Davide-NYC stumped |
| 02:33:12 | TrueJournals | Normal build selected |
| 02:33:12 | TrueJournals | Using source code root directory: /cygdrive/o/Rockbox Source/source/rockbox |
| 02:33:12 | TrueJournals | Using arm-elf-gcc 3.4.3 (304) |
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| 02:33:12 | TrueJournals | Found and uses ccache (/usr/bin/ccache) |
| 02:33:12 | TrueJournals | Created Makefile |
| 02:33:24 | amiconn | 3.4.3 might not work |
| 02:33:34 | TrueJournals | oh |
| 02:33:42 | TrueJournals | let me try downgrading... |
| 02:33:43 | amiconn | The recommended arm crosscompiler is 4.0.3 |
| 02:33:51 | TrueJournals | where can I get that? |
| 02:33:52 | amiconn | Up, not down |
| 02:33:55 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 02:34:57 | TrueJournals | I'm looking at the GNU Arm site... and I only see 4.0.2, not 4.0.3 |
| 02:35:52 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 02:36:06 | amiconn | especially http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_3_Select_the_Rockbox_mirror |
| 02:36:46 | TrueJournals | ah! Ok. Hadn't seen that |
| 02:36:49 | TrueJournals | that will help a lot :-p |
| 02:36:51 | TrueJournals | thanks |
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| 02:42:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: Wanna try something graphical? Sudoku gfx with colourised numbers.... |
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| 02:45:30 | TrueJournals | amiconn: when installing cygwin, I only need to install the packages it lists? |
| 02:45:47 | TrueJournals | (I'm redoing my cygwin installation... I installed EVERYTHING :-p) |
| 02:45:54 | amiconn | ugh |
| 02:46:10 | amiconn | The listed packages should be enough for building rockbox |
| 02:47:16 | TrueJournals | ok |
| 02:48:48 | Nibbier | this CVS build server thingy, how would my PC be used? ppl log in to it to build, and then transfer the bin from me to them? |
| 02:49:01 | Nibbier | would that be faster for them than locally building? |
| 02:49:52 | amiconn | It's a script |
| 02:50:11 | amiconn | And yes, it's faster, otherwise we wouldn't do it in this distributed fashion |
| 02:50:15 | amiconn | _way_ faster |
| 02:51:11 | amiconn | There are currently 52 different builds. |
| 02:51:18 | Nibbier | ouch, ok... i see :D |
| 02:52:32 | Nibbier | i have adsl, 16mbit down, but only a few up, maby 500-600kbit... website talks about 2mbit.. please deal with asymmetric cases, too :D |
| 02:52:42 | Nibbier | and: who has the private key? |
| 02:52:59 | amiconn | Upload will just take a bit longer |
| 02:53:14 | amiconn | I am also running a build machine, and I just have 3072/384 |
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| 02:53:30 | Nibbier | ok, i dont want to annoy anyone with a slow line.. :D |
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| 02:54:00 | Nibbier | how often do these builds take place? |
| 02:54:50 | TrueJournals | Nibbier: every time a CVS commit is made |
| 02:54:50 | amiconn | The website has 2MBit up+down, but the uploads from the various external build servers are uploading concurrently |
| 02:55:38 | Nibbier | TrueJournals, that is? a few times a day, right? |
| 02:55:44 | TrueJournals | most likely |
| 02:56:04 | TrueJournals | It depends though... some days it might be not at all, some times it might be 20 times a day :P |
| 02:56:18 | Nibbier | ok, i'll set up 1-3 machines then, amd2400+ amd64-3000(running 32bit linux) and some 2ghz intel |
| 02:56:44 | amiconn | Yesterday and today 8 builds were performed per day |
| 02:57:36 | Nibbier | 8x52 builds :) |
| 02:58:34 | TrueJournals | = 416 builds |
| 02:59:16 | amiconn | Yes, spilt across several build servers |
| 02:59:17 | Nibbier | brrrrrrr |
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| 02:59:33 | TrueJournals | how many build servers are the currently? |
| 02:59:42 | amiconn | The very last colum tells how many servers were active in that round |
| 02:59:56 | Nibbier | i'll start with my own machine, and if it works fine and does not suck too much cpu i'll put it on the servers, too :) |
| 02:59:56 | amiconn | Afaik we have 12 |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:06 | amiconn | 10 or 11 are usually active |
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| 03:00:40 | TrueJournals | 416/10 = 42 builds per server per day about :-p |
| 03:01:02 | amiconn | If you click on the build server number link, you can see which machines were involved, how many builds they performed and how long each build took |
| 03:01:06 | Nibbier | how long does a build take on some 2GHz? |
| 03:01:15 | Nibbier | ah nice |
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| 03:01:19 | amiconn | Depends on the kind of build |
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| 03:01:29 | amiconn | swcodec targets and sims take quite a while |
| 03:01:42 | amiconn | hwcodec targets and sims are smaller and hence faster |
| 03:01:49 | amiconn | bootloaders are smallest & fastest |
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| 03:02:06 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml the very last column |
| 03:03:02 | Nibbier | time is in seconds? |
| 03:03:04 | amiconn | The times also vary quite a bit depending on how efficient ccache can speed up things |
| 03:03:06 | amiconn | yes |
| 03:03:13 | Nibbier | so 6 builds took a total of 220 seconds? |
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| 03:54:02 | Jazz00006 | how would i say, on any button, do X (in a plugin) |
| 03:54:07 | Jazz00006 | while (1) |
| 03:54:07 | Jazz00006 | { |
| 03:54:07 | Jazz00006 | button = rb->button_get(false); |
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| 03:54:07 | Jazz00006 | |
| 03:54:07 | Jazz00006 | if (button == ANY) |
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| 03:54:08 | Jazz00006 | { |
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| 03:54:12 | Jazz00006 | } |
| 03:54:14 | Jazz00006 | rb->yield(); |
| 03:54:16 | Jazz00006 | } |
| 03:54:18 | Jazz00006 | like that |
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| 03:55:46 | JdGordon|uni | while(1) { button_get(true); x(); } |
| 03:56:03 | JdGordon|uni | Jazz00006: ^^ that will wait for a button, then exectue x |
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| 03:59:59 | Jazz00006 | cheers :) |
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| 04:13:21 | TrueJournals | Hey, I'm still having trouble getting rockbox to build... |
| 04:13:37 | TrueJournals | I followed all the directions in the cygwin setup page, but no dice |
| 04:13:51 | TrueJournals | It isn't putting the makefile in the build directory... |
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| 04:16:37 | TrueJournals | Can anyone help? |
| 04:17:29 | infamis | huh |
| 04:17:55 | TrueJournals | I'm still having trouble getting rockbox to build |
| 04:18:16 | TrueJournals | setup cygwin accordding to rockbox wiki... but the makefile isn't being created in the build directory |
| 04:18:36 | infamis | how far does configure get? |
| 04:18:52 | TrueJournals | It goes all the way through |
| 04:18:56 | TrueJournals | says successful |
| 04:19:48 | infamis | it says "created makefile"? |
| 04:19:55 | TrueJournals | yes |
| 04:20:10 | TrueJournals | but wait... now it put the makefile in the root rockbox source directory (where the apps folder is) |
| 04:20:34 | TrueJournals | hmm... |
| 04:20:38 | infamis | are you in the right directory.... |
| 04:20:42 | TrueJournals | Think I know the problem... |
| 04:21:12 | TrueJournals | I don't think there can be any spaces in the directory to the source.. otherwise the configure file messes up :-\ |
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| 04:22:51 | TrueJournals | yup.. that was it :-p |
| 04:23:15 | infamis | yeah you're right...take out those damn spaces...files/directories shouldn't have spaces.... :) |
| 04:23:20 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 04:23:56 | infamis | I always use - or _ or the whole lowerUppercase for word splitting |
| 04:24:04 | TrueJournals | probably a good idea |
| 04:24:09 | TrueJournals | I'll keep that in mind... thanks :-p |
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| 04:48:05 | Niacin | anyone used ipod wizard before? |
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| 04:48:23 | Niacin | hey BHSPitLappy ;) |
| 04:48:31 | BHSPitLappy | hi |
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| 04:49:43 | Niacin | ever used ipod wizard? |
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| 05:21:36 | BHSPitMonkey | Niacin, yep |
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| 05:56:25 | ariesoft | hello? |
| 05:56:33 | BHSPitMonkey | hello? |
| 05:57:08 | ariesoft | today our rockbox should refresh? |
| 05:57:30 | BHSPitMonkey | hmm? |
| 05:57:57 | ariesoft | rockbox for iriver H10 5/6G |
| 05:59:26 | ariesoft | It's daily refresh? |
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| 06:01:33 | ariesoft | can i give some feedback about bug? |
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| 06:02:26 | ariesoft | oops... |
| 06:06:38 | ariesoft | ...who is the admin?... |
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| 06:10:15 | ariesoft | I love rockbox! |
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| 07:27:12 | Rudy4Pez | Hey, I was about to submit a feature request but I realized I should check to make sure what I'm requesting hasn't already been done, since I'm running a build that's a week or two old... |
| 07:27:34 | Rudy4Pez | Anyone either know, or willing to check something for me regarding the hardware EQ for iPod 5G? |
| 07:31:23 | Rudy4Pez | The interface for the settings of the hardware EQ is (still, as far as I know) text based, and I wanted to request a graphical one like the software EQ. |
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| 08:00:11 | pondlife | Anyone here know how to use gdb? |
| 08:01:01 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:01:01 | * | JdGordon has finished setting up the rtc config block settings... only the hd settings to go (all 200 of them :'( ) |
| 08:01:30 | Bagder | pondlife: 'gdb program', 'run' |
| 08:01:34 | pondlife | ;-) |
| 08:01:54 | pondlife | Whilst debugging, in a locked / endless loop situation, is there a way to force a break? |
| 08:02:07 | pondlife | Must be, surely - but I can't spot it |
| 08:02:24 | pondlife | I don't have a gdb prompt at this point for starters. |
| 08:02:26 | Bagder | you mean control-c doesn't work? |
| 08:02:41 | pondlife | That's probably the information I was missing |
| 08:02:44 | pondlife | I'll give it a go |
| 08:02:46 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 08:03:18 | pondlife | Nope |
| 08:03:45 | pondlife | I put the focus back to my Cygwin/GDB window and press CTRL-C, but no joy |
| 08:03:52 | pondlife | Rockbox keeps on rockin' |
| 08:05:27 | pondlife | Tried CTRL-A to -Z just in case, but only closing the sim will get me a prompt back. |
| 08:07:17 | pondlife | And CTRL-BREAK |
| 08:08:58 | Bagder | weird |
| 08:11:21 | pondlife | Maybe a Cygwin failing? |
| 08:12:31 | pondlife | I wondered if there's a compiler option required to enable keyboard checks. |
| 08:13:21 | Bagder | no |
| 08:14:30 | Bagder | control-c sends a break to the program, and gdb catches it and halts the execution |
| 08:14:39 | Bagder | that's at least what happens on Linux |
| 08:14:51 | pondlife | Control-C to the sim window? |
| 08:15:07 | Bagder | in the shell window where you run gdb |
| 08:15:19 | pondlife | OK, tried both, but notthing |
| 08:17:10 | pondlife | Also tried GDB program <pid> from a seperate shell |
| 08:17:20 | pondlife | Didn't seem to stop it! |
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| 08:48:55 | daurnimator | hey all |
| 08:49:45 | amiconn | pondlife, Bagder: The problem with ctrl-c not working in the sim on cygwin is probably that the sdl sim isn't a console application. Same thing as the annoying fact that debug output isn't written to the window, but to a file |
| 08:50:06 | Bagder | aha |
| 08:50:24 | * | Bagder knows very little about Windows stuff |
| 08:50:39 | amiconn | It's a problem of the sdl sim; Ctrl-C as well as debug output worked fine both with the win32 and the X11 sim |
| 08:55:16 | pondlife | OK. |
| 08:55:28 | pondlife | I will carry on with preset breakpoints |
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| 09:10:41 | JdGordon | who's bright idea was it to have soo many settings??? i tihnk im half way through them and tis taking ages :p |
| 09:11:05 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:11:36 | JdGordon | no.. 150 more lines in the hd config block.. so maybe 100 more options.. then i gotta do the ones which arnt in the config blocks :'( |
| 09:18:00 | markun | JdGordon: are you changing the settings system to use a .cfg file instead of the hd config block? |
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| 09:31:00 | Rudy4Pez | Hey, what is the exact procedure for the menu-button-OF-boot? |
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| 09:31:13 | Rudy4Pez | For iPod 5G... |
| 09:31:34 | Rudy4Pez | Are you supposed to be holding the menu button before the Apple logo appears? |
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| 09:35:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: what are you doing? |
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| 09:44:56 | markun | Rudy4Pez: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
| 09:46:53 | Rudy4Pez | That's from deep sleep, I'm wondering about from complete shutdown.. |
| 09:47:12 | Rudy4Pez | It's been pretty inconsistent as to whether it will or won't boot OF.. |
| 09:47:25 | Rudy4Pez | I'm wondering if I'm pressing Menu at the wrong moment or something. |
| 09:48:48 | linuxstb | You need to press it as early as you can - just before the apple logo appears. But if you're frequently booting into the Apple firmware, you may want to use the ipodlinux bootloader instead - that gives you a boot menu. |
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| 09:49:15 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah, the only time I need OF is when I need to charge it up faster. |
| 09:49:45 | Rudy4Pez | I think I was pressing it right after the logo appeared and that's why it wasn't working. |
| 09:49:48 | linuxstb | Have you tried charging in disk mode? |
| 09:50:16 | Rudy4Pez | No, I usually charge in Rockbox by holding Menu as I insert the charger... |
| 09:50:32 | Rudy4Pez | How much power is drawn when in disk mode? |
| 09:51:27 | linuxstb | No idea... You could test it - it would be interesting to know charging times in Rockbox, disk mode and the original firmware. |
| 09:51:53 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah, I didn't even know I could charge from a wall adapter whilst in disk mode... Hehe. |
| 09:52:15 | linuxstb | You need to force it into disk mode first - i.e. hold SELECT+PLAY whilst booting. |
| 09:52:25 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah, I figured that much.. |
| 09:52:49 | Rudy4Pez | Do you have an iPod? |
| 09:52:58 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 09:53:04 | Rudy4Pez | Latest build? |
| 09:53:19 | linuxstb | Normally newer than the lastest build... |
| 09:53:24 | Rudy4Pez | Hehe. |
| 09:53:26 | Rudy4Pez | That's true. |
| 09:53:54 | Rudy4Pez | I wanted to submit a request to have the EQ interface for hardware EQ to be graphical, like the software one.. |
| 09:54:24 | Rudy4Pez | But my build is a couple of weeks old, so I wanted someone with a newer build to make sure that hasn't already been done before I went ahead and asked for it... Heh. |
| 09:54:41 | linuxstb | No, I don't think it's been changed. |
| 09:54:47 | Rudy4Pez | Ok. |
| 09:54:56 | Rudy4Pez | Do you know if it'd be a hard thing to implement? |
| 09:55:59 | linuxstb | Probably not - if the person implementing it knows the Rockbox GUI code. |
| 09:56:14 | Rudy4Pez | Cool cool. |
| 09:56:34 | Rudy4Pez | It's just a lot easier to wrap my head around the waveform when it's graphically represented. :) |
| 09:57:17 | Rudy4Pez | Easier to edit too, you can switch from slider to slider in one screen, whereas now, with the hardware EQ, you have to go in and out of menus. |
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| 10:10:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do I understand that you now have a more colourful Sudoku? |
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| 10:11:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: I like your commit message - "more natural bouncing cards animation". I've never seen cards bounce :) |
| 10:12:28 | Bagder | hehe, my thoughts exactly |
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| 10:17:51 | theli_ua | anyone can advice something i can do to include new file in patch when cvsdo gives me this : cvsdo: ERROR: Directory has sticky date revision; cannot add file apps/plugins/zxbox.c ? |
| 10:19:01 | Bagder | try 'cvs up -A' |
| 10:19:08 | Bagder | to get rid of "sticky" stuff |
| 10:19:30 | theli_ua | thanks |
| 10:19:45 | theli_ua | may be i just made somthing wrong with cvs .. :) |
| 10:19:59 | perplexity | Bagder: your target of a full colour sim compile in less than 200 seconds.. is that cold with no ccache or with ccache? |
| 10:20:02 | Bagder | you probably did a checkout/update on a date |
| 10:20:33 | Bagder | perplexity: I'd say "cold", but it isn't a strict limit |
| 10:20:47 | Bagder | JdGordon: are your build server prepared to dance? |
| 10:20:52 | Bagder | is even |
| 10:21:02 | theli_ua | btw, some time ago there where some talks about migrating to SVN whats the status of this? |
| 10:21:18 | perplexity | ta.. I'll keep testing then.. |
| 10:21:23 | Bagder | the status is: slow |
| 10:21:31 | Bagder | I blame zagor |
| 10:21:43 | Bagder | :-) |
| 10:24:00 | theli_ua | hm .. why there are no jabber notifications on FlySpray ? |
| 10:25:28 | tucoz | an rss feed? |
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| 10:26:08 | Bagder | there are RSS feeds |
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| 10:26:20 | tucoz | yes, I know. |
| 10:26:20 | theli_ua | hm ... where are they? |
| 10:27:17 | theli_ua | and is there an rss feed for cvs commits? |
| 10:27:21 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:27:32 | Bagder | http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.cvs |
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| 10:29:03 | webguest666 | any solitaire developers here ? |
| 10:29:25 | theli_ua | Badger, what is link for flyspray feeds ? |
| 10:29:36 | Bagder | http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.sourceforge |
| 10:29:55 | Bagder | isn't it lovely how we are sorted in an 'archos' category? ;-) |
| 10:30:02 | webguest666 | amiconn: H140: Solitare: If cursor is on a drawn card, and that card is then selected, joystick right moves the cursor to the top left of the stack and joystick left moves the cursor to the bottom right of the stack. surely these should be swapped ?. |
| 10:30:27 | linuxstb | Bagder: Especially as we don't even support any Archos devices released in recent memory... |
| 10:30:37 | theli_ua | Bagder, thanks |
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| 10:31:54 | webguest666 | now what can I set alight today :> |
| 10:32:27 | JdGordon | Bagder: yes, ready to rock n roll |
| 10:33:45 | * | webguest666 sets JdGordon's shorts alight |
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| 10:36:13 | Bagder | ok, adding |
| 10:37:36 | mirak | wow I recovered this show I recorded. I did an accidental rm -fr /media/usbdisk/ ... |
| 10:38:52 | JdGordon | Bagder: if the comp is off it doesnt make the builds go any slower does it? |
| 10:39:11 | Bagder | no, then it'll just skip your server |
| 10:39:16 | JdGordon | k |
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| 10:56:09 | LinusN | JdGordon: what are you doing with the config block? |
| 10:56:46 | JdGordon | mangling it :D |
| 10:57:42 | mirak | linuxstb talked about dynamic iram, is it possible at all ? |
| 10:58:01 | Bagder | the iram is pretty fixed really ;-) |
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| 11:03:09 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you wanna try the colourised sudoku numbers? It's only a matter of replacing BMPs |
| 11:03:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I'll give it a look. Do you like it? |
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| 11:05:12 | webguest666 | amiconn: H140: Solitare: If cursor is on a drawn card, and that card is then selected, joystick right moves the cursor to the top left of the stack and joystick left moves the cursor to the bottom right of the stack. surely these should be swapped ?. |
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| 11:05:55 | amiconn | I think the colours are a bit too weak. But it already makes spotting matching numbers easier |
| 11:07:00 | amiconn | webguest666: I don't understand what you mean... |
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| 11:08:03 | webguest666 | select one of the 3 drawn cards to move, tou will see that moving the joystick to the left will move cursor to the right of the stack |
| 11:08:36 | * | amiconn normally only plays "draw one" |
| 11:08:38 | tucoz | is it the light-grey colour that is used for the red-suits in solitaire? It's quite hard to see on the h1x0 display. |
| 11:09:11 | webguest666 | Oh I have default set which is draw three |
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| 11:11:13 | tucoz | nevermind. I had some non-standard contrast setting |
| 11:11:14 | webguest666 | well one can only select the end card of the 3 drawn cards, but its the direction of travel versus joystcik position which is transposed |
| 11:14:23 | webguest666 | getting to the drawn card from the stack is correct , its leaving the drwan card to get back to the stack where I think that the joystick direction and cursor direction is reversed |
| 11:14:48 | webguest57 | How ist about the bugs reported in the Buttons Thread in the Announcements forum? Are they being worked on? |
| 11:15:41 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:15:52 | JdGordon | which in particular..? |
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| 11:18:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: I quite like the coloured numbers - it works better than I thought it would. I'm wondering if we should allow the user to choose from various bitmap sets though... |
| 11:22:53 | webguest666 | hmm, ok i understand, in solitaire the cursor can be moved either clockwise or anticlockwise continuously, and from the drawn card it continues in either clockwise or anitclockwise direction, |
| 11:24:23 | tucoz | Isn't there a tool in linux to determine filetype? |
| 11:24:33 | Bagder | file |
| 11:24:48 | tucoz | thanks :) |
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| 11:25:22 | antil33t | hai |
| 11:25:27 | antil33t | longtime since ive been in here |
| 11:26:10 | webguest666 | amiconn: I thought that the drawn card was the focul point, that from there if one moved joystick to the left cursor would go left and vice versa |
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| 11:27:57 | amiconn | No... it's an endless "ring" |
| 11:28:21 | webguest666 | yes i see that now, I'll get used to it :) |
| 11:28:48 | webguest666 | thanks |
| 11:28:49 | webguest57 | JdGordon: i mean the bugs in the FM screen |
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| 11:41:41 | bluebrother | LinusN, I reworked FS #5929 in case you want to have a look ... |
| 11:41:48 | LinusN | saw that |
| 11:42:20 | JdGordon | webguest57: yes.. soon... |
| 11:44:10 | bluebrother | I hope you like it. |
| 11:50:21 | webguest57 | JdGordon: thanks! |
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| 12:20:37 | deadvet | damn, lotta folks here |
| 12:21:29 | Soap | 90% are bots. |
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| 12:21:57 | daurn|laptop | 99.90000019% |
| 12:22:16 | bluebrother | LOL |
| 12:22:28 | daurn|laptop | (my calc is broken ;)) |
| 12:22:48 | bluebrother | 100% - epsilon? |
| 12:23:05 | daurn|laptop | ??? |
| 12:23:52 | bluebrother | kind of mathematic joke. You often use epsilon and epsilon is positive and small. |
| 12:24:02 | bluebrother | like "a really tiny bit" |
| 12:24:29 | bluebrother | so there's a joke around here ... epsilon < 0 ;-) |
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| 12:37:39 | * | barrywardell is slightly ashamed to get the joke |
| 12:41:37 | theli_ua | anyone uses rss for flyspray and rss commits? |
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| 12:45:34 | webguest57 | How do you developers know what bugs/patches have been placed to FlySpray? Do you get notified automatically about every change? |
| 12:47:06 | Bagder | webguest57: yes |
| 12:47:18 | Bagder | we subscribe to the mailing list that gets mailed on all changes |
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| 12:49:51 | webguest57 | Bagder: on every initial put or also on every comment? |
| 12:49:58 | Bagder | both |
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| 12:51:30 | webguest57 | Bagder: so you always have something to read before going to bed. Good cure in case of insomnia :-) |
| 12:51:45 | Bagder | I get so many mails I never get bored ;-) |
| 12:53:53 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 12:53:53 | NJoin | Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) |
| 12:53:53 | NJoin | Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) |
| 12:54:28 | webguest57 | Bagder: a somewhat indiscreet question: how do you find time to do your regular work, to work on RB (I assume it's not the same), to read mails, to chat here, ...? |
| 12:55:22 | Bagder | I actually don't find that hard at all |
| 12:56:06 | Bagder | I just have to vary how much I participate and how much and when I work on things |
| 12:56:38 | daurn|laptop | i don't know how you find the time |
| 12:56:45 | webguest57 | Bagder: ah, Ok. Just a question of priorities, right? |
| 12:56:57 | Bagder | yes, and many late nights |
| 12:56:58 | daurn|laptop | i mean - i'm in school, and i have next to no time to work on my port |
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| 12:57:12 | daurn|laptop | nevermind the whole thing |
| 12:57:13 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 12:58:22 | preglow | daurn|laptop: that's because you prioritise school too much! it's all priorities ;) |
| 12:58:53 | linuxstb | Or persuade your school that working on Rockbox is a good idea... |
| 12:58:55 | Bagder | almost everyone has hobbies or projects they spend lots of time on |
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| 13:01:40 | D_C_ | is there a way i can load a save file from a gameboy game off of my iriver and play it on pc? |
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| 13:09:19 | linuxstb | D_C_: Rockboy is a port of gnuboy - so maybe gnuboy on your PC can load it. Unless the save function has been implemented especially for Rockboy. |
| 13:10:13 | theli_ua | linuxstb, so had you a chance to look at my latest zxbox patch? |
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| 13:13:25 | D_C_ | linuxstb i looked up gnuboy and it says its for a ipaq? |
| 13:14:28 | linuxstb | D_C_: It's for everything... |
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| 13:14:52 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Not yet... |
| 13:14:56 | perplexity | Bagder: Can't locate the acbuild.pl script.. where do I get it ? |
| 13:15:01 | Bagder | amiconn: you checked why your gcc 4.1 started to give these warnings I thought I had fixed? |
| 13:15:30 | Bagder | perplexity: I can give you the public key and then I can copy the script to you |
| 13:16:12 | D_C_ | yeah i found the win32 version linuxstb ta |
| 13:16:15 | linuxstb | BTW, would anyone be upset if I committed theli_ua's ZX Spectrum emulator to CVS? It seems that the list of plugins is just getting bigger and bigger, meaning builds are getting slower and slower... |
| 13:16:45 | Bagder | the more the merrier! |
| 13:20:29 | webguest57 | linuxstb: ...and also meaning (IMHO) that we need a separate installation package for them (like we already have one for the fonts) −− for all of us who don't need/use the plugins |
| 13:20:53 | webguest57 | ...and a separate make target |
| 13:21:53 | Bagder | I disagree |
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| 13:24:20 | mirak | I heard someone talk about a atari emulator once |
| 13:24:44 | linuxstb | I think that's all it was. |
| 13:24:51 | mirak | it was the 2600 |
| 13:25:03 | linuxstb | i.e. no-one is actually doing it. |
| 13:25:08 | mirak | I think. A atari st emulator would be awesome |
| 13:25:28 | mirak | though the resolution was 320*200 |
| 13:25:39 | linuxstb | Perfect for the ipod 5g or Gigabeat... |
| 13:25:40 | mirak | only ipod video as the right one |
| 13:25:52 | mirak | gigabeat too, great |
| 13:26:06 | bluebrother | with the plugins list getting bigger and bigger, how about reorganizing the plugins dir into categories? |
| 13:26:26 | mirak | the cpu was motorola 68k at 8mhz, like the amiga |
| 13:26:37 | webguest57 | Bagder: why? If I'm only interested in listening to music I don't need all the plugins. |
| 13:27:06 | preglow | the don't install them |
| 13:27:19 | mirak | the coldfire is an ameliorated 68k or simplified 68k ? |
| 13:27:29 | preglow | mirak: simplified with extensions |
| 13:27:59 | mirak | extensions like emac |
| 13:28:02 | preglow | yea |
| 13:28:24 | linuxstb | mirak: The Atari 2600 had a 1.19MHz 6507 |
| 13:29:59 | mirak | that's motorola ? |
| 13:30:05 | Bagder | no |
| 13:30:20 | Bagder | you confuse the 2600 with the 500 I believe |
| 13:30:25 | webguest57 | preglow: but I have to download them. And if I make a personal custom build I also have to compile them |
| 13:30:57 | preglow | webguest57: if you do a personal custom build you can just edit them out of SOURCES |
| 13:31:35 | Bagder | doing more separate builds will only add lots of questions and pains for us |
| 13:31:42 | markun | webguest57: for fonts we only have 1 package for all the targets so that's a bit different |
| 13:31:46 | mirak | games on the 2600 are not worth. espcially when you see someone managed to port doom |
| 13:31:54 | theli_ua | i've look through open-source emulators of 2600 .. none of them was written in C .. one was in CPP though ... but it would require rewriting and so ... |
| 13:32:45 | mirak | does having a remote control alows to have more buttons, or they just the same than on the device ? |
| 13:33:02 | LinusN | they are separate |
| 13:33:26 | mirak | oh so doom might be playable with a remote |
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| 13:34:13 | linuxstb | Yes, Doom could use assign all the remote buttons to different actions than the main keypad. |
| 13:35:48 | mirak | theli_ua: I know you can compile Eiffel in C. Maybe this exists also for c++ ? |
| 13:37:44 | D_C_ | how come rockboy lags when playing some GB games? is this just because of coding? or isnt a iriver powerful enough |
| 13:38:49 | theli_ua | because targets cannot cope with emulation with current state of optimizations |
| 13:40:31 | lini | hey, |
| 13:41:00 | lini | perhaps this has been discussed already, but why not commit some of the patches from the apple unofficial builds in the CVS? |
| 13:41:33 | lini | in particular - the headphone detection, the piezo driver, etc... |
| 13:42:30 | lini | I'm sure there's a valid reason but I don't know what it is :) |
| 13:43:14 | Bagder | valid reasons also include "because no person with commit has bothered yet" |
| 13:43:21 | Bagder | with commit access |
| 13:43:37 | Bagder | but I have no idea |
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| 13:45:10 | linuxstb | The authors of those patches need to keep them up to date and push for their inclusion - otherwise they get ignored... |
| 13:45:23 | lini | hm |
| 13:45:28 | theli_ua | anyone can say is Handy soure license appropriate for poring it to rockbox? look at "handy" part at http://mednafen.com/documentation/#legal |
| 13:45:36 | Bagder | and they need to stay "clean" and working for all |
| 13:45:55 | linuxstb | Personally, I don't like the headphone detection or piezo features, so I haven't been motivated to look at those patches. |
| 13:46:10 | lini | the headphone unplug detection patch is very useful IMO |
| 13:46:20 | preglow | i've been meaning to look at the piezo patch for a while |
| 13:46:21 | Bagder | theli_ua: it looks compatible to me |
| 13:47:09 | lini | and it's stable enough (no changes since july even though it's been used in multiple unofficial builds) |
| 13:47:20 | lini | and still is |
| 13:47:57 | dan_a | lini: Do you know the Flyspray task number for the headphone patch? |
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| 13:49:12 | lini | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 |
| 13:49:27 | lini | i think it's this one |
| 13:49:38 | dan_a | Thanks |
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| 13:50:08 | theli_ua | though Atari Lynx had 160x102 screen it had 12 bit pallette :( ... to much for my mini ;( ... maybe anyone with color target will try to port handy |
| 13:51:45 | theli_ua | btw, what is the main bottleneck for grayscale lib speed? memory usage, spu speed or LCD driver ? |
| 13:51:56 | Mmmm | oh no... I'm getting this error for archos builds again (with my patch). "sh-elf/4.0.3/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full" |
| 13:52:34 | Mmmm | is the patch really adding that much extra code? or is it my gcc again? |
| 13:55:01 | * | Bagder added the h10 to the front page list of devices Rockbox runs on |
| 13:55:15 | JdGordon | Bagder: did u add my comp to the builds? |
| 13:55:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:55:39 | JdGordon | can u run a dummy build to see the speed diff? |
| 13:55:43 | JdGordon | or just be patient? |
| 13:55:49 | Bagder | commit something! ;-) |
| 13:55:57 | JdGordon | you wouldnt want me to commit this.. |
| 13:56:07 | JdGordon | unless u let me commit y insert random folders patch? |
| 13:57:27 | JdGordon | what is the difference between *char[] and char*[] ? the first gives warning the 2nd doesnt! |
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| 13:59:47 | preglow | i didn't even know the second was legal |
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| 14:00:06 | JdGordon | niether did i... its a typecast btw... |
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| 14:04:36 | preglow | ahh, then it's legal |
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| 14:05:11 | preglow | i prefer to write char* instead of char[] |
| 14:06:59 | JdGordon | char** was giving errors, *char[] was saying syntax error before char, char*[] for some reason works.. |
| 14:07:22 | JdGordon | w00t! no more crashes in the sim.. time to try on the player |
| 14:08:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: just letting you know.. before optimising the english version string search it only took about 1s to save every setting to disk on the h300! |
| 14:08:49 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 14:08:59 | daurn|laptop | i just realised how sad my life is |
| 14:09:27 | daurn|laptop | i've been playing graphically violent games since age 3 |
| 14:09:41 | Bagder | youngster |
| 14:09:44 | JdGordon | haha wd |
| 14:10:03 | daurn|laptop | well - grqphically is a loose term |
| 14:10:04 | daurn|laptop | ;) |
| 14:10:22 | Bagder | when I was three, there was no graphics ;-) |
| 14:10:26 | daurn|laptop | maybe textedly violent games |
| 14:10:27 | daurn|laptop | ;) |
| 14:10:36 | JdGordon | does anyone think it would be a good idea to put valid values in the auto-generated .cfg file? |
| 14:10:42 | daurn|laptop | i was about 3 when the first gfx games came out |
| 14:10:47 | daurn|laptop | YAY superfly! |
| 14:10:56 | JdGordon | not only for the worded values, but for int values also |
| 14:13:58 | bluebrother | JdGordon, I think so as it makes a nice template for own cfg files. |
| 14:14:34 | bluebrother | btw, does your rework also load the default settings from a file and not the disc sector anymore? |
| 14:15:09 | JdGordon | everything from files |
| 14:15:22 | JdGordon | sorry.. default is hard coded |
| 14:17:18 | bluebrother | like /.rockbox/default.cfg? |
| 14:18:41 | JdGordon | no, sorry, i miss read you.... the defaults are loaded from the hard coded list... but it will automatically use /.rockbox/config.cfg and /.rockbox/data.cfg as storage. (data.cfg is for the settings which need to be saved but not user configurable.. like the random seed and such) |
| 14:18:59 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 14:19:38 | bluebrother | so this will break my current work on loading themes from tar files ... but hopefully solve my settings issue I have still left for solving :) |
| 14:19:51 | JdGordon | why will it break it? |
| 14:20:40 | bluebrother | because settings will be different? ;-) |
| 14:21:07 | JdGordon | .... which ones? im trying to keep it as close to current as i can... |
| 14:21:21 | bluebrother | I assume saving a setting needs to be coded a bit different, so I'll need to adjust that. |
| 14:21:42 | JdGordon | yes, im having a blast doing all 3 million settings now :p |
| 14:21:44 | bluebrother | I'm speaking of my currently unreleased work ... |
| 14:22:33 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:22:56 | * | JdGordon doesnt expect to finish this any time soon...... |
| 14:22:58 | bluebrother | I want to have themes stored in tar files. But in my current approach I need to save the name of the theme. |
| 14:23:17 | JdGordon | why tar? wouldnt zip be better? |
| 14:23:17 | bluebrother | if you want to have a look: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/tar-themes2.patch |
| 14:23:36 | bluebrother | for some reason after a reboot opening the theme fails. |
| 14:23:43 | bluebrother | because tar can't be compressed. |
| 14:24:00 | JdGordon | can u even make tars on windows? |
| 14:24:16 | bluebrother | sure. 7zip for example can do. |
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| 14:24:25 | bluebrother | or use the command line tar ;-) |
| 14:24:39 | JdGordon | ... and whats wrong with compression? wont it just slow down the loading? or too complicated to code? |
| 14:24:52 | bluebrother | it would make the code more complex. |
| 14:25:24 | bluebrother | another option would to go for uncompressed zip files only, but this will generate heaps of users complaining why their zip files don't work |
| 14:25:36 | Bagder | yes, tar is fine |
| 14:25:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: some values might have to be stored in nonvolatile memory, like the RTC memory on Archos and EEPROM on the irivers |
| 14:26:04 | bluebrother | the only problem with tar is the fact it doesn't have a seek table. So every time we access a file in a tar we need to seek the complete file until found. |
| 14:26:25 | bluebrother | I compared iCatcher. Unfortunately loading from tar was slower :( |
| 14:26:36 | Bagder | :-( |
| 14:26:46 | bluebrother | but as you don't change themes very often I think this isn't too bad. |
| 14:26:47 | theli_ua | ;-( |
| 14:27:21 | bluebrother | also, my current state still leaves the possibility for using the old style. So if you are only using one theme and want to get it faster just untar the theme. |
| 14:27:34 | JdGordon | LinusN: hmmm... which? why? |
| 14:27:38 | bluebrother | but it would simplify distribution of themes a lot. |
| 14:28:04 | LinusN | JdGordon: for example the usb-charge options |
| 14:28:11 | Bagder | JdGordon: we also want the seed/playlist resume info in the config sector rather than a cfg |
| 14:28:18 | Bagder | imho |
| 14:28:25 | Bagder | since it is saved very often |
| 14:28:25 | LinusN | JdGordon: or car adapter mode |
| 14:28:40 | JdGordon | ok, we can deal with these more special cases later... |
| 14:28:53 | LinusN | Bagder: it doesn't have to be saved often |
| 14:29:09 | Bagder | true, if we fix that to not save very often |
| 14:29:26 | dan_a | bluebrother: Why not have your code untar the theme that the user chooses to, say $THEMES_DIR/active_theme? And just overwrite this directory when the theme changes? |
| 14:29:47 | dwihno | I'm finally getting my act together for a disk upgrade for the ol' archos... Are there any specific disks you guys would recommend or disapprove of? (The Hitachi disk I'm currently using has the RLD issue). |
| 14:30:30 | bluebrother | dan_a, there is already a plugin which does so for zipped themes but I like it better not to extract it. It's cleaner IMO. |
| 14:31:48 | bluebrother | I thought about creating a seek table the first time the theme is accessed but currently I don't have to much time working on that. |
| 14:32:43 | bluebrother | with the archive I also have the advantage that I can ignore paths. Currently some theme zips use .rockbox as base folder, others / which is a bit painful. |
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| 14:34:55 | LinusN | bluebrother: what is your primary goal with this exercise? |
| 14:35:38 | bluebrother | the tarred themes? Learning rockbox coding a bit and create more easy distributable themes. |
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| 14:36:51 | LinusN | i see |
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| 14:39:53 | JdGordon | anyone want to guess why this is crashing? *(int*)item->variable = value; item->variable is a void* to a item in global_settings |
| 14:46:20 | theli_ua | maybe *(item->(*int)variable) ? |
| 14:47:07 | theli_ua | or *(int*)(item->variable) ? |
| 14:49:27 | JdGordon | gcc wont let me do the first one... 2nd one tryed already... still crash |
| 14:49:43 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Whenever I'm confused about pointers, I'll write a little standalone C program to print out values of pointers etc and test that I understand what is going on. |
| 14:50:17 | Bagder | JdGordon: it sounds like item->variable is zero or unaligned or similar |
| 14:50:50 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ye, but im lazy... so thats my very last resort :p |
| 14:50:57 | Bagder | gdb is your friend |
| 14:50:59 | linuxstb | It saves time in the long-run... |
| 14:51:12 | * | JdGordon installs gdb |
| 14:51:57 | JdGordon | gonna take a while to emerge :'( |
| 14:52:06 | Bagder | gentoo weirdo |
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| 14:52:42 | JdGordon | Bagder: item->variable is pointing into the global_settings struct.. I cant assume rockbox set that up ok? |
| 14:52:46 | JdGordon | and yes |
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| 14:53:07 | Bagder | if it points to a legitimate int, then your code wouldn't crash on that |
| 14:54:37 | JdGordon | I can read back from the variable with no problems... writing to it is no go tho |
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| 14:55:05 | Bagder | then it points to an area you're not allowed to write to |
| 14:55:20 | Bagder | like a string |
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| 14:56:07 | JdGordon | #define GS(a) (void*)&global_settings.a ... im using that in the array initialisation |
| 14:57:16 | JdGordon | the array itself is const'ed but im trying to write what its pointing to.. not the variable itself.. which should be legal? no? |
| 14:57:43 | Bagder | not if it points to a read-only area |
| 14:57:55 | JdGordon | global_settings.volume is read only? |
| 14:58:11 | JdGordon | &global_settings.volume i mean |
| 14:58:20 | perplexity | is that like putting a wax seal on the volume pot ?? ;) |
| 14:58:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: the address of an item is of course constant |
| 14:59:37 | JdGordon | not the address..... im confusing us all... |
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| 15:01:39 | JdGordon | ok, im going to try using the offsetof instead... maybe thats the problem? |
| 15:01:53 | LinusN | &global_settings.volume is a constant expression |
| 15:02:12 | LinusN | so is offsetof() |
| 15:02:33 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You should be able to say something like "global_settings.volume = newvolume". So something like "item->variable = (void*) &global_settings.volume ; *(int*)item->variable = newvolume;" should work as well afaics... |
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| 15:02:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yes, thats exactly what im doing... |
| 15:04:08 | Bagder | why is "the array itself is const'ed" ? |
| 15:04:21 | Bagder | what does that mean? |
| 15:04:35 | JdGordon | the array of setting items... so ti goes in the bin, not ram |
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| 15:04:46 | JdGordon | const struct settings_list settings[] = {...}; |
| 15:04:54 | Bagder | but then the whole thing is const |
| 15:05:14 | JdGordon | but that doesnt make it illegal to change the things being pointed to does it? |
| 15:05:24 | Bagder | you can point TO it, yes |
| 15:05:28 | Bagder | but you can't modify it |
| 15:05:43 | Bagder | that would be a strange const |
| 15:06:21 | JdGordon | ok, on init settings[X].variable = &global_settings.volume... so later i should be able to do *settings[X].variable = blaa? |
| 15:06:23 | JdGordon | no? |
| 15:06:34 | Bagder | no |
| 15:06:35 | JdGordon | blaa and X of course being numbers |
| 15:06:37 | JdGordon | no? |
| 15:06:45 | Bagder | the array is const |
| 15:06:54 | Bagder | fixed |
| 15:06:56 | linuxstb | You can't do settings[X].variable = ... |
| 15:06:57 | Bagder | read-only |
| 15:06:58 | JdGordon | but im not chanhgin the array... |
| 15:07:03 | Bagder | yes you do |
| 15:07:09 | JdGordon | there is a * before settings[X] |
| 15:07:22 | linuxstb | Not before the first one in your example. |
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| 15:07:59 | linuxstb | "on init settings[X].variable = &global_settings.volume" |
| 15:07:59 | JdGordon | sorry.. its initialized by the compiler to that... |
| 15:08:35 | JdGordon | const struct settings_list settings[] = {{&global_settings.volume,...}..} |
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| 15:09:13 | * | JdGordon gives up and changes to the offset thing and hopes that fixes it |
| 15:09:31 | * | JdGordon then goes to find shotgun and kills K&R for inventing these stupid bloody pointers :'( |
| 15:09:47 | Bagder | haha |
| 15:10:12 | Bagder | yeah, and they should cut out the ints too |
| 15:10:17 | Bagder | and the annoying conditionals |
| 15:10:34 | JdGordon | ... thats going a bit far! |
| 15:10:38 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 15:13:19 | JdGordon | so to use offsetof i typecast the struct to a char* and index it with the ofsetof value? |
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| 15:13:49 | tucoz | bluebrother: around? |
| 15:13:58 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes. |
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| 15:15:44 | tucoz | regarding your tar patch. I like the idea of distributing themes as .tar files, but i read that that you experienced a speed-penalty. Wouldn't it be faster to simply cat the entire theme in one file (using a script) and just load the images from there? |
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| 15:16:21 | bluebrother | tar is esentially all files cat'ed together with a 512 byte header block in front of each file |
| 15:16:53 | tucoz | that is, cat the .wps + bmp1 +bmp2 + bmp3... and keep the bmps ordered the same way as in the .wps file |
| 15:16:53 | bluebrother | the problem is that I currently simply load the files by modifying the file pointer to point to the beginning of the file |
| 15:16:59 | lear | which means lots of overhead for some themes, btw. |
| 15:17:08 | lear | isn't there some padding as well? |
| 15:17:23 | bluebrother | so for each file to open I need to search the complete tar (in the worst case) |
| 15:17:38 | tucoz | yeah. that is not good |
| 15:17:43 | bluebrother | files are padded to 512 byte boundaries. |
| 15:18:00 | lear | zip could be better then, since you have a toc at the end |
| 15:18:10 | bluebrother | but IMO this space waste isn't a problem as we have enough. |
| 15:18:24 | bluebrother | I still see the problem with the compressing for zip |
| 15:18:36 | lear | not too bad, no, but for one test the overhead was 100%. :) |
| 15:18:53 | lear | who said anything about compression? |
| 15:18:55 | bluebrother | also, has zip a pointer where exactly the toc is located? Otherwise we still need to seek the complete file for the toc |
| 15:19:14 | Schnueff | individual files would be padded to cluster size, so there's no space waste |
| 15:19:15 | bluebrother | lear, nobody. But users will get this confused for sure :) |
| 15:19:19 | lear | I think it is at the end of the file... Haven't really read the spec. |
| 15:19:32 | tucoz | bluebrother: couldn't you introduce a toc yourself? |
| 15:19:57 | tucoz | that is tar+toc? |
| 15:20:00 | bluebrother | I have actually seen a toc at the end, but if I want to seek fastly to it I should be able knowing its location from the beginning of the file |
| 15:20:17 | bluebrother | I had the idea to generating a toc file upon first opening the tar. |
| 15:21:01 | tucoz | would adding the files in sorted order be better? |
| 15:21:02 | bluebrother | I simply didn't had the time looking into it. |
| 15:21:26 | bluebrother | not really. Except if the wps loading gets reworked completely. |
| 15:21:46 | bluebrother | currently loading requires only a few changes. |
| 15:22:05 | tucoz | hmm. I thought the bmp's in the .wps got loaded in the same order as they appear in the file |
| 15:23:05 | bluebrother | they do, but for each file a separate bmp gets opened. Thus, if I don't want to modify the loading heavily, I need to create a new file pointer. |
| 15:23:17 | bluebrother | meaning the loading code does a open(). |
| 15:23:25 | tucoz | yes I have seen that |
| 15:24:10 | bluebrother | I haven't looked into zip deeply. If zip has a pointer where the toc actually lives this would be an option. |
| 15:24:28 | bluebrother | but the wikipedia description of the tar file format is ways better than for zip ;-) |
| 15:24:46 | tucoz | but the article on Philip Katz is interesting |
| 15:24:48 | tucoz | ;) |
| 15:24:49 | bluebrother | for now I wanted to try writing a theme cache. |
| 15:25:39 | bluebrother | oh, zip can now do bzip2? |
| 15:27:35 | tucoz | i like the idea of having themes in one file, but it would be interesting to see the difference in loading time between .tar/.zip/merged files etc. |
| 15:28:06 | tucoz | that is, i would probably not use it if loading time increased. |
| 15:28:29 | bluebrother | I tried zezayer, which was nearly identical. iCatcher was about 1.5 the time of the exploded version. |
| 15:29:03 | tucoz | ok. I know it isn't much. maybe a second extra for iCatcher? |
| 15:29:29 | bluebrother | ok, just had a look at the pkzip size. zip does have a "central directory" at the end, but no pointer where exactly that directory is. |
| 15:29:50 | bluebrother | so with the current approach I'd run into the same speed problem. |
| 15:30:01 | tucoz | :( |
| 15:30:17 | bluebrother | I think I'll give the cache a try when I find some spare time to do. |
| 15:30:35 | tucoz | just measured. from boot to file-browser is ~4s on my h120 |
| 15:30:54 | bluebrother | that way it would be slower on the first open but shouldn't be noticeable slower on successive opens. |
| 15:31:27 | tucoz | didn't Slasheri commit a wps cache some months ago? |
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| 15:31:54 | tucoz | I think he did, and that he had to revert it due to complaints. |
| 15:32:02 | bluebrother | can't remember of something like that. |
| 15:32:09 | tucoz | Maybe you can find some ideas from there |
| 15:32:22 | linuxstb | bluebrother: When loading from a .tar, can't you process the .tar from beginning to end, loading each bmp file into the wps image buffer as you go? |
| 15:32:39 | bluebrother | good idea. I guess I'll find something reading the logs. |
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| 15:33:25 | bluebrother | linuxstb, sure I could. But this would require changing the wps loader heavily as currently it tries to load each bmp the time it gets mentioned in the file. |
| 15:33:27 | pixelma | tucoz: ... /H10_20GB.svg and ...H10_6GB.svg (hope I got it right) :) |
| 15:33:51 | tucoz | pixelma: :) nice |
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| 15:34:18 | tucoz | but i can not do that right now. I am in windows atm |
| 15:34:20 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I think that's inevitable - tar files aren't designed for random access. |
| 15:34:55 | linuxstb | And in any case, it's the random access which slows it down. Reading the bitmaps consecutively will always be faster. |
| 15:34:59 | pixelma | tucoz: it's alright |
| 15:35:08 | bluebrother | to make it fastest as possible, yes. |
| 15:35:10 | JdGordon | :'( it still crashes :p |
| 15:36:01 | linuxstb | bluebrother: You could have some kind of cache - to tell the WPS loader that a certain .bmp file has already been loaded into the image buffer, and what its position/size is. |
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| 15:36:59 | tucoz | bluebrother: check the 29'th of january this year in http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 15:37:16 | tucoz | and the revert occured on the 1st of februar |
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| 15:38:38 | JdGordon | this is soo unfair... 0x819c260, 0, 0x819c260 <- it points to the correct place and it still crashes.. and its not const problem or sometihn glike that! |
| 15:39:12 | bluebrother | tucoz, just read it. |
| 15:39:41 | bluebrother | do we have a function that return the date of a file? |
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| 15:42:57 | Febs | LinusN or amiconn, you might be interested in this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5635.0 |
| 15:43:07 | Febs | User reports a current drain on H300 battery even with the power off. |
| 15:44:18 | * | JdGordon shoots self... it looks like it wasnt crashing there after all :p |
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| 15:58:45 | * | JdGordon just wasted the last hour(?)+ becuase of one stupid bitmask missing :'( |
| 15:59:05 | * | JdGordon apologies for the pointers discussion from before |
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| 16:00:01 | Niacin | what sort of support is there for the dock port? |
| 16:00:12 | Niacin | can rockbox/Linux do anything? or is it completely useless |
| 16:00:22 | Niacin | i'm interested in I/O |
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| 16:00:48 | bluebrother | Linux can't cook coffee, so it definitely is useless :D |
| 16:01:28 | daurn|laptop | it can |
| 16:01:32 | * | linuxstb can make coffee |
| 16:01:34 | amiconn | bluebrother, linuxstb: Just concatenating all BMPs is probably the easier way. |
| 16:01:58 | Quarryman | make: *** No rule to make target `coffee'. Stop. :-( |
| 16:02:26 | JdGordon | w00t!! my settings can load/save to/from a txt file 100% correclty now :D |
| 16:02:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: But then how do you refer to them in the .wps file? Unless you write a tool to concatenate them in a pre-defined order. |
| 16:02:47 | amiconn | Refer to them just by order |
| 16:02:52 | bluebrother | I like the idea of the cached bmps. |
| 16:03:13 | bluebrother | so the first load would be slow but successive loads pretty fast. |
| 16:03:27 | Niacin | so thats a no I/O via the dock port? |
| 16:03:48 | JdGordon | Niacin: what dock port? |
| 16:04:40 | Niacin | JdGordon you mean what model? on the 5g |
| 16:05:12 | JdGordon | no i mean what dock port.. how are we supposed to know u meant ipood? |
| 16:05:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: You mean in the .wps file itself? That seems inconvenient... |
| 16:05:39 | amiconn | Why? Right now you assign each BMP a letter |
| 16:06:01 | amiconn | Concetenated BMPs would then just map to multiple letters |
| 16:06:29 | Niacin | JdGordon: Ipod 5g dock port.. Can it do I/O.. |
| 16:06:31 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I don't think a cache is needed - I think we could make the loading fast enough.. |
| 16:07:13 | amiconn | Definitely |
| 16:07:24 | JdGordon | Niacin: no idea... |
| 16:07:47 | linuxstb | amiconn: But all the WPSs have bitmaps stored with meaningful names - e.g. "codec_mp3.bmp". IIUC, you're proposing the equivalent of just calling the files 1.bmp, 2.bmp etc. |
| 16:08:16 | Niacin | JdGordon: Thanks! you were a lot of help |
| 16:08:32 | JdGordon | :D |
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| 16:12:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Not necessarily. An example: |
| 16:12:33 | amiconn | If there are currently volume_1.bmp ... volume_5.bmp, these could be combined to volume.mbmp (?) |
| 16:13:23 | amiconn | It wouldn't be required to combine all bitmaps a wps uses into one single file (but it would be possible for distribution |
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| 16:20:01 | linuxstb | I still think just putting them all into a .tar is much more convenient for a wps creator, and I don't think it would be that much slower to load than just concatenating. But I suppose we could test that. |
| 16:20:23 | amiconn | Why would tar be more convenient |
| 16:20:24 | amiconn | ? |
| 16:20:34 | Bagder | I agree |
| 16:20:41 | linuxstb | A user does exactly what he/she does now, followed by "tar wps.tar *.bmp" |
| 16:20:47 | amiconn | On linux it shouldn't matter, but on windows concatenating is easier |
| 16:21:03 | amiconn | tar isn't a default windows app/command |
| 16:21:16 | Bagder | but there are no file names in concatenations |
| 16:21:25 | Bagder | so the WPSes can't work like they do |
| 16:21:34 | amiconn | They can |
| 16:21:41 | Bagder | if you do them in the same order perhaps |
| 16:21:44 | linuxstb | We can easily point users to tar programs from the CustomWps wiki page. |
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| 16:23:20 | linuxstb | oops... |
| 16:23:23 | D_C_ | how do i sort a folder of music in the order that i want it in explorer ? |
| 16:23:54 | linuxstb | Concatenated .bmps are also very hard to unconcatenate - making it difficult for a user to modify somebody elses WPS. |
| 16:23:57 | D_C_ | so that they appear on my iriver.. in that way |
| 16:24:51 | JdGordon | linuxstb: some people might like that though |
| 16:24:58 | JdGordon | most wont of course... |
| 16:25:01 | tucoz | linuxstb, good point |
| 16:25:01 | linuxstb | D_C: Rockbox has various sorting options - it's not related to how they appear in explorer. |
| 16:25:10 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That's hardly the Rockbox spirit though... |
| 16:25:12 | Bagder | I don't see any benefits with concats |
| 16:25:53 | D_C_ | how come i read in the forum that what ever i see in explorer is how i will see it on my iriver :/ |
| 16:26:02 | D_C_ | how am i suppose to sort a folder |
| 16:26:32 | Bagder | D_C_: everything you read aren't necessarily true |
| 16:27:03 | linuxstb | D_C_: Most people sort files alphabetically. So you need to choose a file-naming convention that sorts in the order you want when sorted alphabetically. |
| 16:27:26 | linuxstb | e.g. "NN-Track Name.ext" where NN is the two-digit track number. |
| 16:27:45 | D_C_ | so i have to rename every single on of my songs in that folder |
| 16:27:52 | JdGordon | rockbox has other sorting tho.. it doesnt have to go by file name |
| 16:28:12 | linuxstb | D_C_: How are your files named at the moment, and how do you want them to appear? |
| 16:29:03 | D_C_ | i want them arranged by track number and their currently just name with the artist name then song name |
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| 16:29:55 | bluebrother | D_C_, I guess that "shown as in explorer" means you get a file view, not a view based on tags or similar like e.g. Apple does |
| 16:30:23 | bluebrother | but AFAIK Rockbox doesn't have that "natural sorting" Windows XP can do. |
| 16:31:13 | bluebrother | but how does windows achieve this? If there is no track number information in the file how should it sort them by track numbers? |
| 16:31:16 | * | theli_ua wonders if anyone would be interested in colecovision emulator ..... |
| 16:31:33 | tucoz | yay, and intellivision :) |
| 16:31:42 | Bagder | television emulator! |
| 16:31:54 | bluebrother | how about c64? |
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| 16:32:11 | tucoz | and dos |
| 16:32:11 | D_C_ | in the tag bluebrother? |
| 16:32:21 | Lynx_ | how about a rockbox scripting language? |
| 16:32:21 | linuxstb | D_C_: Then use tagcache. |
| 16:32:37 | Lynx_ | i'm not sure what it would be good for, but everything needs a scripting language |
| 16:32:49 | D_C_ | what should i choose? auto update? |
| 16:32:52 | bluebrother | D_C_, does windows sort files by tag when in "normal" file view? |
| 16:33:08 | theli_ua | bluebrother, as i own iPod mini only i have not much interest in something which wouldn't be usable on 138x110 4Bpp LCD :) |
| 16:33:16 | old45 | Bagder> does rockbox decode the installed Flac file while playing back or does it just play the compressed file? |
| 16:33:17 | tucoz | the H10 images for the manual sure looks nice |
| 16:33:34 | linuxstb | D_C_: Or if your files are correctly tagged, you can run a tool to bulk-rename them based on the information in the tags. |
| 16:33:35 | Bagder | old45: it decodes, there's no HW to play it |
| 16:33:50 | D_C_ | you can arrange it by track number etc it has a option to choose |
| 16:33:55 | bluebrother | foobar can batch rename your files |
| 16:34:00 | D_C_ | thats too annoying :/ |
| 16:34:00 | old45 | so it should sound just like the original wave file? |
| 16:34:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:34:15 | bluebrother | or use tagcache and modify tagnavi.config according |
| 16:34:22 | linuxstb | old45: Yes - the same PCM data will be sent to the DAC for a FLAC file as the original WAVE file. |
| 16:34:25 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/rockbox_interface/images/h10-front.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 16:34:34 | old45 | great just what I nned thanks guys |
| 16:34:39 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/rockbox_interface/images/h10_5gb-front.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 16:34:56 | bluebrother | wow, really nice picture :) |
| 16:34:57 | D_C_ | what do i do in tag cache? |
| 16:35:38 | bluebrother | tagcache is tag based browsing. The view is controlled by the file tagnavi.config. See the wiki on what you can achieve with it. |
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| 16:36:10 | D_C_ | what if some of the files dont have tags |
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| 16:37:03 | bluebrother | then you'll need to tag them ... or search within the <untagged> entry. |
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| 16:38:09 | D_C_ | ugh might aswell just rename them :/ |
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| 17:45:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: Why are concatenated bmps hard to separate again? |
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| 17:59:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: How can you do it? |
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| 18:00:48 | kud | what's up |
| 18:01:32 | kud | out of curiosity, do any of you guys know if you have to have a fat32 partition on your computer in order to install rockbox on an ipod? |
| 18:02:01 | linuxstb | No - you need a fat32 partition on your ipod. |
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| 18:02:43 | kud | oh |
| 18:02:44 | kud | ok |
| 18:03:00 | kud | so if it's always been used with windows, it should be fat32 by default, right? |
| 18:03:18 | linuxstb | Yes. Windows iTunes will only work with a FAT32 ipod. |
| 18:03:23 | tucoz | linuxstb: wouldnt that just be to write a tool that reads the concat bmp file and outputs a new file as a new header is found. |
| 18:03:40 | tucoz | but the drawback is that the filename is lost |
| 18:04:22 | linuxstb | tucoz: Not something the average user will want to do in order to modify a WPS |
| 18:04:23 | tucoz | and that another tool is needed for that, where tar is a single tool for both operations |
| 18:04:43 | tucoz | yes i know. but it isn´t hard to write such a tool |
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| 18:05:11 | linuxstb | Of course not - but it's yet another hoop for users to jump through. |
| 18:05:46 | tucoz | i was convinced that concatenated bmps is the best option, until you raised the extract issue. :) |
| 18:05:52 | linuxstb | And in effect we're creating a proprietory bitmap format. |
| 18:06:16 | tucoz | yes, i am in the tar camp now |
| 18:07:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Each bmp header tells the original file length of the individual bmp. A simple app / perl script / vbscript should be able to separate concatenated bmps |
| 18:10:37 | tucoz | isn´t that going for a less KISS option than using an established format (which could be fast as long as the files are read in consecutive order) |
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| 18:14:12 | tucoz | anyway. it will be nice to not have a zillion tiny bmps on the player anymore. |
| 18:14:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I know that technically you can split them - that's not my point. I'm just saying concatenated bitmaps are harder for a user to deal with than a .tar file. |
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| 18:15:56 | amiconn | tucoz: Concatenated bmps need less extra code on-target than tar |
| 18:16:25 | tucoz | yes. it is less KISS on target. But not less KISS overall. |
| 18:18:02 | tucoz | hmm. that should be more KISS as we want it as simple as possible :D |
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| 18:29:29 | pixelma | would it be possible to have f.e. one bitmap for each enumeration tag where the wps designer puts all the different graphics that are used in same size and at the same position in a strip - and the wps parser would split it then? |
| 18:33:18 | kud | hm |
| 18:33:29 | kud | for some reason i can't get ipodpatcher to recognize my ipod |
| 18:33:32 | kud | any ideas? |
| 18:34:05 | kud | i tried ipodpatcher 0 all the way through ipodpatcher 10 and it didn't show anything |
| 18:36:53 | linuxstb | kud: 1) Is the option in itunes to enable you to access your ipod as a disk enabled? 2) Does the Windows user you are logged in as have administrator rights? |
| 18:38:37 | kud | i'll check on 1, answer to 2 is yes |
| 18:39:14 | linuxstb | kud: Also, what drive letter does Windows give to your ipod? |
| 18:39:40 | kud | option 1 was the problem |
| 18:39:42 | kud | thanks man |
| 18:40:34 | kud | wait |
| 18:40:37 | kud | no it didnt |
| 18:42:03 | linuxstb | Can you see your ipod via a drive letter in explorer? |
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| 18:44:29 | kud | no i can't |
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| 18:46:08 | linuxstb | I think you need to fix that first. And before you ask, I've no idea how... |
| 18:46:29 | kud | ah |
| 18:46:30 | kud | damn |
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| 19:11:34 | kud | i ran ipod updater, that fixed it |
| 19:11:41 | kud | i now have rockbox running on my nano |
| 19:13:22 | kud | with rockbox, i can just drag and drop music into my ipod, right? |
| 19:13:24 | kud | no more itunes? |
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| 19:23:06 | dionoea | hello |
| 19:25:35 | kclaf | hello ppl |
| 19:25:40 | kclaf | does rb use itunes db in any way ? |
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| 19:27:23 | chaebi | hello |
| 19:27:31 | bluebrother | kclaf, no |
| 19:27:38 | lowlight | is always forget...is sleep(HZ) = sleep(1 sec) ? |
| 19:27:53 | kclaf | hmm ok thanks |
| 19:28:00 | kclaf | looks like my ipod 5g doesnt find its itunesdb anymore |
| 19:28:13 | kclaf | but it's probably because of my "hardcore unplug" |
| 19:28:41 | bluebrother | you can use TagCache |
| 19:29:10 | chaebi | can anyone explain me howto build plugins, please? |
| 19:29:27 | bluebrother | chaebi, so what's your problem? |
| 19:29:57 | chaebi | i wrote the helloworld.c file and now i don't know how to compile it |
| 19:30:07 | bluebrother | add it to the SOURCES file |
| 19:30:27 | chaebi | simply put it in the plugin directory? |
| 19:30:42 | bluebrother | yes, and add it to SOURCES int that directory |
| 19:31:05 | chaebi | ah, the sources |
| 19:31:10 | chaebi | tanks a lot |
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| 19:32:53 | kud | almost done transferring files, finally get to try out rockbox |
| 19:33:04 | kud | so what are you guys running rockbox on? |
| 19:33:41 | dionoea | apple video and archos recorder |
| 19:33:52 | kud | what size video? |
| 19:34:07 | dionoea | well *the* apple video |
| 19:34:13 | dionoea | apple 5G |
| 19:34:14 | kud | just got a 4gb nano for cheap, had a friend that needed money pretty bad |
| 19:34:17 | dionoea | or whatever it's called |
| 19:34:21 | kud | yea |
| 19:34:23 | kud | but what size is it |
| 19:34:32 | kud | isn't there a 30gb and a 60gb? |
| 19:34:38 | dionoea | oh ... 30gb |
| 19:34:49 | kud | but yea, i got my 4gb ipod with itrip for only 80 |
| 19:35:27 | kud | wonder if the itrip will work with rockbox |
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| 19:36:31 | webguest74 | hey.. i can't find in the wikki anywhere if there is an interrupt command.. string that can be pushed to get rockbox (on ipod mini 2g) to reboot |
| 19:36:39 | webguest74 | it's stuck in doom |
| 19:36:40 | webguest74 | :/ |
| 19:36:49 | webguest74 | lOl |
| 19:37:03 | kud | o yea, i forgot you can add games with rockbox |
| 19:37:05 | dionoea | amiconn: what you did for the bouncing anim basically uses the 8 last bits for fixed point computing ? |
| 19:37:06 | webguest74 | anything other then waiting out the battery |
| 19:37:07 | kud | wonder if there's anything good for the nano |
| 19:37:11 | kud | such a tiny screen though |
| 19:37:23 | dionoea | webguest74: try switching hold on and off |
| 19:37:29 | webguest74 | my buddy tossed me his ipod 4gb mini to hax0r away at |
| 19:37:45 | webguest74 | trying all the stuff out . as soon as i set my own key mapping, i got stuck.. hahaha |
| 19:38:06 | kud | does it do anything if you plug it in? |
| 19:38:20 | * | dionoea repeats the thing about switching hold on and off |
| 19:38:24 | webguest74 | dionoea- wow - that brought up the ESC menu |
| 19:38:31 | webguest74 | thankyou kindly :) |
| 19:38:36 | dionoea | you're welcome :) |
| 19:38:54 | webguest74 | lol that's cute |
| 19:39:18 | webguest74 | still tho, i can't seem to up/down or scroll to the exit |
| 19:39:28 | dionoea | you can go up only on ipods i think |
| 19:39:32 | dionoea | or down only |
| 19:39:50 | webguest74 | i bet it's down |
| 19:39:54 | webguest74 | cause that's the key i changed |
| 19:40:07 | dionoea | i though that it was up |
| 19:40:27 | webguest74 | well if i remember they were both working earlier, till i messed with the macros |
| 19:40:30 | webguest74 | lol |
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| 19:40:46 | webguest74 | *remember correctly .. |
| 19:41:12 | webguest74 | anywhoo good to know how to get into that menu ... now i just need to reset the key definitions and all good |
| 19:41:21 | webguest74 | thanks again dionoea.. |
| 19:41:28 | webguest74 | props to rockbox!!! |
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| 19:43:13 | webguest66 | dionoea - it worked.. you are right it is only up.. ( i just didn't have the hold key back over all the way.. :/ muh bad ) |
| 19:43:21 | webguest66 | Cheers! |
| 19:43:25 | webguest66 | ROCKBOX IS PHAT - HACK THE PLANET! |
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| 19:45:56 | rageahol | so how can i find out if rockbox will play ogg on my h10? |
| 19:46:05 | rageahol | besides loading up something |
| 19:46:05 | markun | try it? |
| 19:46:16 | rageahol | (i'm at work) |
| 19:48:20 | dionoea | it'll work |
| 19:48:29 | dionoea | but the h10 port is still kind of new |
| 19:49:54 | amiconn | dionoea: Yes, just fixed point. Using fixed point for y as well is probably even better, I'll try that |
| 19:50:27 | dionoea | amiconn: you're sure that it's worth it ? y speed doesn't change |
| 19:50:57 | amiconn | No, but truncating vy when adding it to y causes a roundoff error |
| 19:52:01 | dionoea | oops, y speed changes ... x speed doesn't |
| 19:52:02 | dionoea | nevermind |
| 19:52:35 | amiconn | A cumulative roundoff error that is. Rounding y just for drawing doesn't do that |
| 19:54:26 | lear | amiconn: you know if delay loops are common in Rockbox? E.g., like the DELAY macro in adc.c for H100. |
| 19:54:50 | amiconn | Tiny delay loops are unavoidable |
| 19:55:33 | lear | Yes, but are they common? Noticed that GCC 4.1.1 has a tendency to eliminate them completely... |
| 19:55:41 | amiconn | oh? |
| 19:56:14 | amiconn | It shouldn't... gcc docs say that it has a special rules when it detects delay loops |
| 19:56:40 | amiconn | There are some places that use, and need, delay loops |
| 19:56:47 | lear | Really? Seems like the -ftree-fre option removes them... |
| 19:56:47 | amiconn | Driver code |
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| 20:01:28 | lear | Gah. Manual says this: "In case the loop can be proved to be ?nite, GCC will also remove the loop itself." |
| 20:01:33 | Strogg | So.. I was wondering.. Is there any work underway to support Speex? |
| 20:05:01 | amiconn | lear: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/Non_002dbugs.html#Non_002dbugs "10.10 Certain Changes We Don't Want to Make": # Deleting empty loops. |
| 20:05:12 | lear | Yes, that section. |
| 20:07:43 | amiconn | Hmm, they changed it from gcc 3.x to 4.x ... |
| 20:08:26 | amiconn | Badness... |
| 20:09:06 | amiconn | How can one ensure a delay loop staying in with current gcc behaviour?? |
| 20:09:41 | lear | Wonder that myself... Btw, 4.0.3 doesn't do this, only 4.1.x. |
| 20:10:11 | amiconn | Well, what will always work is implementing the delay in asm |
| 20:10:22 | amiconn | weird... |
| 20:10:43 | lear | Well, there is one way, but it isn't good... Don't use "-O", but use all desired optimizations except -ftree-fre. |
| 20:10:45 | amiconn | Usually making something faster calls for asm, in this case it's the other way round |
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| 20:11:14 | lear | Using "-O -fno-tree-fre" doesn't seem to work. |
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| 20:12:48 | amiconn | lear: Hmm, wouldn't making the delay loop's loop count volatile work? |
| 20:12:52 | lear | Hm.. Might be wrong about that option... |
| 20:12:57 | lear | I'll try. |
| 20:13:38 | lear | Seems to work... I'll try a little more. |
| 20:14:18 | amiconn | Try with -O3 |
| 20:14:52 | amiconn | I hope it doesn't cause the variable to be stored in memory |
| 20:15:05 | amiconn | That would make the loop slower than intended |
| 20:17:05 | lear | On stack, so it shouldn't be that bad? |
| 20:17:29 | amiconn | still |
| 20:17:30 | lear | Depending on target, though... |
| 20:17:55 | amiconn | Read/increment/write/loop is certainly slower than increment/loop |
| 20:18:12 | amiconn | Stack isn't always iram |
| 20:18:33 | lear | Loop still there with -O3 though. |
| 20:18:58 | * | amiconn wonders whether gcc accepts 'register volatile' |
| 20:19:47 | lear | Accepts it, but ignores it. |
| 20:20:00 | amiconn | which part? |
| 20:20:23 | lear | it accepts register volatile, but ignores the register bit. |
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| 20:43:51 | * | amiconn found some interesting conversation dating back to April |
| 20:44:28 | amiconn | preglow: Do you still have your buggy memset16-arm ? |
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| 20:59:09 | lear | Ah, "-fno-tree-loop-optimize" seems to do the trick. Should perhaps be enabled for firmware stuff if gcc 4.1.x is used... |
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| 21:01:46 | amiconn | Hmm. Sounds sub-optimal as well |
| 21:03:19 | amiconn | It would cause this kind of optimisation to be disabled for all loops. |
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| 21:04:46 | amiconn | I think we should switch to using asm delay loops instead |
| 21:05:10 | lear | Problem is finding them all... |
| 21:05:13 | amiconn | Delay loops are limited to driver code, and driver code is target specific |
| 21:05:59 | lear | Seems a DELAY macro is quite commonly used... |
| 21:06:15 | webguest11 | How about inserting an empty inline 'asm volatile' statement to the loop? |
| 21:07:12 | amiconn | The H1x0 adc driver has some optimisation potential since it's bit-banging like a number of i2c drivers, and it's called every tick for button reading |
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| 21:07:46 | amiconn | The gain will be less than with e.g. the H300 pcf i2c driver, since the transfers are shorter |
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| 21:14:49 | webguest11 | Can one use gcc asm statements in RockBox code? |
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| 21:15:23 | lear | Well, with that option, a gcc 4.1.1 build works on my h140. |
| 21:16:37 | dan_a | webguest11: Yes - see, for example, firmware/thread.c |
| 21:17:15 | webguest11 | Ok, with my gcc 'asm volatile ("");' in a loop prevents it from being optimized away but does not seem to affect the code in any other way. It might be used for empty delay loops. |
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| 21:18:13 | amiconn | Ah, forgot about that good old asm volatile (""); trick, even though I already used it once |
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| 21:29:04 | lear | Yep, works fine too. |
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| 22:16:03 | Leiche | hiho |
| 22:16:09 | Leiche | someone alive ? |
| 22:16:10 | Leiche | :D |
| 22:16:24 | Leiche | :( |
| 22:16:25 | Leiche | shit |
| 22:16:30 | markun | yes |
| 22:16:47 | | Nick Leiche is now known as Leiche5 (n=_Leiche_@p54B05A30.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:16:53 | Leiche5 | ok |
| 22:17:06 | Leiche5 | u have some time for me :) |
| 22:17:14 | markun | just ask |
| 22:17:17 | Leiche5 | or can u speak german ? |
| 22:17:42 | Leiche5 | rockbox wich videofiles can it play ? |
| 22:17:51 | Leiche5 | and why without sound? |
| 22:18:06 | markun | because it's still in an early stage |
| 22:18:29 | Leiche5 | it means there is no plugin for it yet ? :( |
| 22:18:39 | Leiche5 | i thought i do a mistake |
| 22:18:59 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:19:19 | markun | The plugin plays m2v (mpeg2 video) files |
| 22:19:41 | markun | If you wait a while I'm sure rockbox will have a video player with sound |
| 22:19:49 | Leiche5 | ok cool |
| 22:19:53 | Leiche5 | is rockbox new |
| 22:20:09 | markun | It started in 2003 I believe |
| 22:20:37 | Leiche5 | :S |
| 22:20:39 | Leiche5 | hmm ok |
| 22:20:44 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
| 22:20:51 | Leiche5 | an there so till today a player with sound :O |
| 22:21:37 | markun | pixelma: if you every feel bored you could start working on a svg image of the gigabeat :) |
| 22:21:56 | Leiche5 | wich is the best format for rockbox videoplayer |
| 22:21:58 | Leiche5 | mpg ? |
| 22:22:08 | Leiche5 | i have a ipod photo 30gig |
| 22:22:09 | markun | Leiche5: there is only 1 format |
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| 22:22:14 | pixelma | markun: hmm... do you have a good scan of it (would help me a lot) |
| 22:22:19 | markun | pixelma: http://www.rbbtoday.com/news/20050314/050314_f40_l.jpg |
| 22:22:50 | Leiche5 | ok |
| 22:22:53 | markun | pixelma: although the text an my player is a bit different |
| 22:23:01 | Leiche5 | and whar is the beste rosoliton for it ? |
| 22:23:03 | pixelma | thanks... |
| 22:23:09 | Leiche5 | with wich pogram cam i convert it ? |
| 22:23:14 | Leiche5 | for example avi file ? |
| 22:23:22 | pixelma | markun: I'll put the rockboxlogo there |
| 22:23:38 | markun | pixelma: from the sim you can see that mine has TOSHIBA write on it: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/greek.jpg |
| 22:23:43 | pixelma | oh.. you mean other text |
| 22:23:50 | markun | Leiche5: with VLC |
| 22:24:00 | Leiche5 | i cant download vlc :S |
| 22:24:13 | markun | Leiche5: just follow the instructions on the page I gave you |
| 22:24:19 | Leiche5 | hmm sorry |
| 22:24:20 | Leiche5 | i mean |
| 22:24:24 | markun | why can't you download it? |
| 22:24:25 | Leiche5 | rvf |
| 22:24:34 | Leiche5 | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/rvf.html |
| 22:24:40 | Leiche5 | the link to the tool doesnt wor |
| 22:24:52 | markun | Leiche5: that's not for ipod photo |
| 22:24:58 | Leiche5 | omg |
| 22:24:59 | Leiche5 | hehe |
| 22:25:11 | markun | try the link I gave you |
| 22:25:12 | Leiche5 | u have a right link for me :D |
| 22:25:16 | Leiche5 | hmm |
| 22:25:18 | Leiche5 | wic one |
| 22:25:19 | Leiche5 | :O |
| 22:25:21 | Leiche5 | wich |
| 22:25:32 | markun | this one: 22:18 < markun> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:25:47 | Leiche5 | oh ok |
| 22:26:02 | Leiche5 | and i have to download there vlc ? |
| 22:26:32 | markun | pixelma: I prefer the writing that says 'gigabeat' |
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| 22:27:11 | markun | Leiche5: if you want to watch videos without sound now then you need to follow the instructions |
| 22:27:18 | Leiche5 | markun: wich players are better from linux ? or rockbox ? |
| 22:27:38 | Leiche5 | i want with sound :( |
| 22:27:43 | markun | ipodlinux has sound |
| 22:27:53 | Leiche5 | how is the qualitt |
| 22:28:00 | markun | I don't have an ipod |
| 22:28:04 | Leiche5 | oh |
| 22:28:05 | Leiche5 | ok |
| 22:28:13 | Leiche5 | linux is so hard |
| 22:28:17 | Leiche5 | i dont understand it |
| 22:28:28 | Leiche5 | what do u prefer |
| 22:28:29 | Leiche5 | ? |
| 22:28:34 | Leiche5 | linux or rockbox? |
| 22:28:35 | markun | you can also buy a ipod video and play videos with sound.. |
| 22:28:42 | Leiche5 | jeah i know |
| 22:28:49 | Leiche5 | but i have phot |
| 22:28:50 | Leiche5 | :( |
| 22:29:03 | Leiche5 | or u want to change with me one hehe photo with video :P |
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| 22:29:31 | markun | Nah :) |
| 22:29:39 | Leiche5 | hehe |
| 22:29:39 | markun | I'm happy with my iriver |
| 22:29:46 | Leiche5 | whats that :O |
| 22:29:55 | markun | a brand of mp3 players |
| 22:29:59 | markun | I have a iriver h120 |
| 22:30:02 | Leiche5 | oh ok |
| 22:30:17 | Leiche5 | markun i can watch videos without sound |
| 22:30:27 | Leiche5 | but the video screen is to bis |
| 22:30:35 | Leiche5 | i sea only the head :D |
| 22:30:38 | Leiche5 | see |
| 22:30:44 | markun | maybe you didn't download the right video |
| 22:30:51 | Leiche5 | yes |
| 22:31:03 | Leiche5 | i want to change the video size |
| 22:31:08 | Leiche5 | but with what ? |
| 22:31:11 | markun | VLC |
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| 22:31:30 | markun | I'm not going to help you with that |
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| 22:31:56 | Leiche5 | hmm ok no prob. |
| 22:31:57 | markun | Leiche5: you can try this video: http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/elephantsdream-q6-224x128-354kbps.m2v |
| 22:31:57 | Leiche5 | ill see |
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| 22:32:52 | markun | pixelma: the pictures you made look very good btw! Didn't know that was even possible with vector graphics. |
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| 22:34:02 | Leiche5 | hmm someone knows the right date when i can videos wiht sound? |
| 22:34:13 | pixelma | markun: thanks and yeah... hooray for gradients :) |
| 22:34:53 | markun | It think your X5 looks a lot better than this one: http://www.unioptik.cz/mp3/x5/x5_pr_v.jpg |
| 22:35:08 | markun | although the metalic effect is nice in that picture.. :) |
| 22:35:54 | markun | Leiche5: we don't have release dates |
| 22:35:58 | bluebrother | Leiche5, nobody knows |
| 22:36:05 | bluebrother | and noone will tell you. |
| 22:38:15 | bluebrother | damn. Why is this working in the sim but not on my target? |
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| 22:38:53 | Leiche5 | cool |
| 22:38:56 | Leiche5 | video is working |
| 22:38:59 | Leiche5 | thansk bro |
| 22:38:59 | Leiche5 | :D |
| 22:40:16 | markun | pixelma: anther hi-res picture for inspiration: http://www.isd.toshiba.com.au/TOPIC/product_details/product/20050730/pwp%200038.jpg |
| 22:40:21 | pixelma | markun: true (about the metallic effects) but it also reminds me of the remotes and amiconn requested drawings of the sides for the sims... and the gigabeat.... |
| 22:41:08 | markun | take your time with the gigabeat. We still don't have rockbox fully running on it (but we are close) |
| 22:41:30 | markun | Leiche5: keine Ursache :) |
| 22:41:43 | Leiche5 | u can speak german |
| 22:41:44 | Leiche5 | ^o) |
| 22:41:48 | Leiche5 | wieso sags du das nich gleich |
| 22:41:54 | Leiche5 | ich qul mich hier mit deutsch :D |
| 22:41:58 | markun | because it's an english only forum.. |
| 22:42:03 | Leiche5 | aso |
| 22:42:08 | Leiche5 | privat chat ? |
| 22:42:10 | markun | It's good to practice for you :) |
| 22:42:16 | Leiche5 | hmm |
| 22:42:17 | Leiche5 | yes |
| 22:42:17 | pixelma | Leiche5: by the way... interesting question (if someone's alive) |
| 22:42:18 | Leiche5 | ok |
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| 22:55:20 | tucoz | pixelma: I am not sure when i get the time to fix the outstanding issues on your ondio page |
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| 22:56:44 | pixelma | no problem - I can leave it there for a while |
| 22:58:38 | tucoz | good. another option is to add the info to flyspray so anyone can work on it. but there it is presented in a less convenient format. |
| 22:59:12 | tucoz | there are two ondio tasks open there already. not sure if those are still valid |
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| 23:00:08 | pixelma | maybe you could give the link to the other manual maintainers (with pointing out that they should be a bit careful with the info) |
| 23:00:55 | pixelma | tucoz: do you have the flyspray links - I'd take a look |
| 23:01:08 | pixelma | or I can search myself |
| 23:01:50 | tucoz | 5459 and 5515 |
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| 23:05:09 | tucoz | in 5459 only 7 is still to be done, and that i can not fix in any case |
| 23:05:28 | pixelma | I think most parts are already corrected (except the flashing chapter of course) |
| 23:05:44 | pixelma | oh... you said that :) |
| 23:05:51 | amiconn | ahem... |
| 23:06:28 | tucoz | hi amiconn |
| 23:06:30 | tucoz | :) |
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| 23:07:45 | preglow | amiconn: yes i do |
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| 23:10:43 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/arm_memset16.patch |
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| 23:12:10 | tucoz | pixelma: is it ok if i close those tasks then, and open up a new for the flashing issue (which is valid for all archoses with flashing possibility) |
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| 23:12:30 | bluebrother | urgh. Loading iCatcher takes nearly 20sec :o |
| 23:12:47 | tucoz | as a tar? |
| 23:12:52 | bluebrother | including disk spinup ... |
| 23:13:18 | bluebrother | but the good news is that with a simple lookup table it is mostly the same as tarred file. |
| 23:13:30 | bluebrother | I fear my disk breaking down :( |
| 23:13:54 | amiconn | bluebrother: Might easily take longer depending on disk fragmentation |
| 23:14:13 | amiconn | ...with the exception of flash based players |
| 23:14:14 | pixelma | tucoz: yes I think so - especially since 5515 is very hard to work with (it only has the old numbering to locate the mistakes...) |
| 23:14:30 | bluebrother | amiconn, I guess this is caused by fragmentation. I remember I had faster load times for iCatcher before. |
| 23:14:34 | tucoz | ok. good. that was my feeling as well |
| 23:14:39 | dionoea | has anyone ever heard back from the guy claming to have ported zlib and libpng to rockbox ? |
| 23:14:49 | amiconn | I observed times in excess of 30 seconds |
| 23:15:00 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 23:15:15 | bluebrother | I think I'm gonna defrag my player in the next time. |
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| 23:15:36 | bluebrother | loading zezayer is about 1sec −− both tarred and exploded. |
| 23:15:39 | amiconn | One reason to stick to wps'es without a single bitmap (not the main reason though) |
| 23:16:19 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 23:16:33 | tucoz | amiconn: my iriver boots in 4-5 seconds (from press on play to file browser) with the iCatcher theme |
| 23:16:48 | amiconn | huh? |
| 23:16:49 | tucoz | that is with a flashed rockbox |
| 23:16:56 | amiconn | ah |
| 23:16:57 | tucoz | and dircache and so on |
| 23:17:26 | bluebrother | nice. Does flashed rockbox already save some codecs to flash? |
| 23:17:52 | tucoz | i don't think so. I think only the firmware is flashed |
| 23:18:13 | bluebrother | I need a second iriver ;-) |
| 23:18:53 | tucoz | I am looking for a second player myself, and the sansa looks nice. especially in terms of price |
| 23:19:29 | bluebrother | oh, dircache was turned of during my measurements. |
| 23:19:45 | preglow | amiconn: what about the memset16 function? |
| 23:20:08 | amiconn | It didn't work correctly last time you tried it, correct? |
| 23:20:16 | preglow | well |
| 23:20:19 | preglow | it seemed to work correctly |
| 23:20:22 | preglow | but your plugin said it didn't |
| 23:20:31 | preglow | so there's probably some stupid mistake in it |
| 23:20:35 | preglow | memset16, that is |
| 23:21:00 | amiconn | I thought you just took memset and modified it for 16 bi toperation... |
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| 23:21:26 | amiconn | ..but your memset16 stores forward, while memset stores backward |
| 23:22:03 | Bagder | amiconn: do you understand why your gcc 4.1 suddenly started to give those mad warnings? |
| 23:22:12 | preglow | amiconn: that's because i modified memset since |
| 23:22:20 | preglow | amiconn: and you said it doesn' |
| 23:22:32 | preglow | doesn't matter if memset16 doesn't return the address |
| 23:22:39 | amiconn | No, it doesn't |
| 23:22:43 | preglow | so i dropped that, saving one instrcution :) |
| 23:22:51 | amiconn | wow ;) |
| 23:23:30 | bluebrother | with dircache enabled the exploded theme is quite a bit faster. |
| 23:24:20 | bluebrother | too bad, I hoped to get a bigger boost. |
| 23:25:04 | tucoz | bluebrother: it would be interesting to see if loading the images from the tar file in sequence would be faster than loading single files. |
| 23:26:38 | tucoz | as tar is not really a random access format (like linuxstb mentioned earlier today) |
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| 23:27:34 | bluebrother | tucoz, sure, I'm also interested in that. But this requires more work which I need to do first ;-) |
| 23:27:57 | bluebrother | But if time permits I will try this. |
| 23:28:02 | tucoz | cool |
| 23:28:46 | bluebrother | coding rockbox can be pretty much fun. The only problem is I barely know the code and it is a lot of ... |
| 23:29:04 | webguest39 | Hi everyone. just a quick question. Is there an offline tool to create the ID3 database for rockbox (similar to EasyH10)? If not, do you think it would be simple to do (using logic code from EasyH10 and the rockbox source)? |
| 23:29:47 | Bagder | webguest39: no there's no such tool |
| 23:29:54 | Bagder | only Rockbox itself |
| 23:29:59 | dionoea | wasn't someone planing to write one ? |
| 23:30:07 | dionoea | like 1 or 2 weeks ago i think |
| 23:30:10 | Bagder | hardeep even had it working |
| 23:30:13 | Bagder | he said |
| 23:31:04 | webguest39 | ok... well it just takes forever on the machine itself and could be done much faster using offline... (and then be updated online)... seeing as EasyH10 already does have all the code for scanning and GUI and supports multiple platforms I was wondering if it might not be quite simple to plug-in the actual Rockbox DB code... |
| 23:31:19 | webguest39 | oh...so is this something he checked into the CVS? |
| 23:31:26 | webguest39 | or is this an external project? |
| 23:31:48 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, did I give you a modified version of my test_mem plugin? |
| 23:32:00 | Bagder | webguest39: I said no because it isn't in CVS or anywhere to get |
| 23:32:17 | tucoz | webguest39: rockbox uses a different database format, so the EasyH10 couldn't be used for this (unless someone adds the functionality to that) |
| 23:32:19 | Bagder | but sure, it could be made |
| 23:32:29 | preglow | amiconn: don't know |
| 23:32:55 | webguest39 | well i know the DB format is different.. but there is that code for it in the rockbox code... just need to mix and match... and curse etc. to make it work |
| 23:33:04 | tucoz | webguest39: sorry, you said that yourself. didn't read the entire line :) |
| 23:33:05 | amiconn | Because, my standard version doesn't have code to test memset16... or maybe I lost that modified version when I had to reinstall cygwin |
| 23:33:40 | amiconn | Ah, no |
| 23:33:46 | * | amiconn found what's up |
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| 23:33:48 | webguest39 | yeah... ok... thanks... might have a look at that sometime soon... just didn't want to reinvent the wheel... :-) |
| 23:34:02 | amiconn | It's been a long time since I last used this thing.... :/ |
| 23:34:58 | tucoz | webguest39: but i think a standalone tool for this would be the best, as this could be used for all targets (not just the h10) |
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| 23:35:22 | dionoea | but as some were saying the other day, it has to take the target's endianess into account |
| 23:36:00 | webguest39 | yeah exactly... well i was just referring to easyh10 because that is the only tool i know of that does all that scanning offline... but seeing as it is a sourceforge project the code is available to be modified... |
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| 23:36:34 | Bagder | we have a perl script that does the same job |
| 23:36:35 | tucoz | i was thinking of something like: tagcache -h1x0 /mnt/sdb1 |
| 23:36:42 | Bagder | just not using the correct db format |
| 23:36:52 | Bagder | hardeep said he adjusted that |
| 23:37:46 | dionoea | the tool could even automatically guess the target by seeing what rockbox firmware file is available in the root directory |
| 23:37:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Wanna try sudoku with more saturated colours? Imho it does look better than the first version, at least on H300 |
| 23:37:57 | tucoz | dionoea: true |
| 23:38:10 | dionoea | that wouldn't work with flashed targets though ... |
| 23:38:16 | Bagder | and when we have this talk, we will soon come to the idea that we should have a file in .rockbox describing the target |
| 23:38:18 | tucoz | true :) |
| 23:38:30 | Bagder | ... with endian info and version number and... |
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| 23:39:02 | tucoz | ...the entire config-*.h file |
| 23:39:07 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:39:07 | dionoea | hehe |
| 23:39:50 | pixelma | ...and the whole manual... |
| 23:40:10 | dionoea | old versions of rockbox came with the text docs i remember |
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| 23:40:17 | Bagder | well, if we ever do a release we should include the docs in it |
| 23:40:46 | Davide-NYC | If anyone sees Mmmm please tell him to check the forum for recording statusbar icons. (he knows which thread) |
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| 23:42:29 | tucoz | if we ever? it will be impossible to get the manual up to date without a feature freeze. preferably something like the last one :) |
| 23:42:32 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: If you registered with freenode, and Mmmm did the same, you can leave a message |
| 23:43:10 | deeo | has anybody tried rockbox out on a voq smartphone before? |
| 23:43:14 | Davide-NYC | just by directing a chat message at him? |
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| 23:43:29 | amiconn | Use MemoServ |
| 23:43:32 | deeo | talk to memoserv |
| 23:43:47 | amiconn | /msg memoserv help |
| 23:44:50 | Davide-NYC | Sorry I know very little about IRC. I get "No such nick/channel" when "/msg memoserv help" |
| 23:45:06 | Davide-NYC | SO i am unregisterd |
| 23:45:08 | Davide-NYC | ? |
| 23:45:38 | deeo | okay, try /query memoserv |
| 23:45:44 | deeo | then just type help to it |
| 23:46:00 | deeo | says you're registered and identified to me. |
| 23:46:02 | Davide-NYC | yup, thanks! |
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| 23:46:32 | deeo | so, i'm looking at the rockbox features, says there's MP4 support; is that just in CVS, because i can't find it in the 2.5 release |
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| 23:47:00 | Davide-NYC | Mp4 not yet real-time on iRiver at least. |
| 23:47:12 | Davide-NYC | Dunno bout other targets |
| 23:47:30 | deeo | thats fine |
| 23:47:55 | Bagder | mpeg2 |
| 23:48:13 | Bagder | or what is mp4? |
| 23:48:17 | preglow | amiconn: i'll give you a cookie if you find out what's wrong with ut |
| 23:48:22 | deeo | mp4 is a file format |
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| 23:48:44 | deeo | not to be confused with mpeg4 :) |
| 23:49:59 | deeo | m4a i suppose |
| 23:50:07 | deeo | i think thats just an mp4 without video |
| 23:50:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, something is probably wrong with the sudoku generator. It just ran for 2 minutes on X5 without a result, then I shut down. Looked like an endless loop, buttons and backlight were still working |
| 23:50:32 | deeo | yep, seems that way; http://www.m4a.com/ |
| 23:50:57 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 23:51:25 | Bagder | contains most status of codecs in Rockbox |
| 23:51:28 | Davide-NYC | yeah, I meant M4A as well, sorry. |
| 23:51:28 | bluebrother | damn weather. Headache again :( |
| 23:51:39 | Davide-NYC | I get those |
| 23:52:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've never experienced that... Is that the first time for you? |
| 23:52:21 | amiconn | yes |
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| 23:57:40 | Bagder | another legal threat showed up today, details disclosed soonish |
| 23:57:57 | deeo | heh |
| 23:58:01 | tucoz | threat to rockbox? |
| 23:58:05 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:58:42 | tucoz | i didn't know of another one (except for the AT&T issue) |
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