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| 00:11:58 | Soap | One question on doing these runtime tests. |
| 00:13:30 | Soap | I ripped all my ASMZ albums to flac. I was going to do mp3 -aps and ogg -q6, but the bitrates of the oggs turned out lower than the aps. Should I reencode the oggs to try and match the mp3s as close as possible? |
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| 00:14:04 | Soap | If there is no need to bother doing that...should I queue up the same total length of tracks, or queue up the same total size of tracks for the test? |
| 00:16:01 | linuxstb_ | IMO, you should test whatever bitrate and whatever format you are interested in listening to... |
| 00:16:25 | belze | i'd say so, too |
| 00:16:35 | linuxstb_ | As for the test itself, I normally just choose an album where the total length is larger than the audio buffer (so > 30MB in most cases), and play it on repeat. |
| 00:16:52 | belze | afaik ogg requires more cpu-power anyway than mp3 |
| 00:17:05 | belze | so you dont need to have the same bitrate |
| 00:17:49 | Soap | I was under the impression on PP targets ogg was more efficient than mp3. |
| 00:18:14 | belze | well, im not sure on that targets |
| 00:18:26 | belze | just see what the cpu-boost says :) |
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| 00:19:10 | linuxstb_ | Soap: I think it's more or less the same now - there have been some mp3 optimisations since Rockbox first started working on the ipods. |
| 00:19:32 | Bagder | oh, fancy mp3 encoder improvements showed up |
| 00:20:52 | * | Bagder says moo |
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| 00:23:49 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:23:55 | preglow | hellmann knows his stuff |
| 00:24:02 | barrywardell | what's the status of using the ADC on the ipods? the wiki says 0% but cvs says otherwise |
| 00:24:23 | preglow | i'm too stupid to code |
| 00:24:28 | * | preglow shoots himself |
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| 00:27:21 | barrywardell | i'm asking because i think the adc is built into the pp5020 chip, so maybe the h10 code would work with the ipods too? |
| 00:27:30 | barrywardell | or vice versa |
| 00:27:36 | Soap | <stupid>ADC?</stupid> |
| 00:28:24 | Soap | and barrywardell - while you're here. What did iRiver say you did to void your H10 warranty? |
| 00:28:42 | barrywardell | analog-digital converter. it's used for battery level, temperature and touchscreen |
| 00:30:05 | * | barrywardell looks for the iriver email |
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| 00:31:03 | preglow | hmm, the mp3 encoder patch is just for the plugin |
| 00:31:07 | preglow | not the realtime encoder |
| 00:31:48 | preglow | ehh, what |
| 00:32:02 | preglow | forget me |
| 00:34:05 | preglow | more than one tracker url in a mail confuses me profusely |
| 00:34:56 | barrywardell | Soap: weird. can't find that email. and I use gmail. Anyway, it was something about being modified by a third party, blah, blah. |
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| 00:36:20 | webguest75 | anyone here? |
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| 00:36:49 | preglow | webguest75: yeah |
| 00:37:06 | webguest75 | can anyone tell me how to play videos on my 5G iPod with Rockbox |
| 00:37:35 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 00:37:42 | preglow | that should sum it up |
| 00:37:53 | webguest75 | k now about rockdoom |
| 00:38:24 | webguest75 | i downloaded the files and put it in F:/games/doom but still nothing |
| 00:39:10 | webguest75 | ello? |
| 00:40:29 | preglow | don't know anything about rockdoom |
| 00:41:00 | webguest75 | well back to the mpeg player it says no audio so u mean when it plays i cant hear sounds? |
| 00:42:12 | linuxstb | Yes - it's still being developed. |
| 00:42:50 | webguest75 | ok well u no anything about any extra games? |
| 00:43:12 | webguest75 | im a real noob at this stuff. I just know how to put themes and music thats it. |
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| 01:30:18 | maddog011 | barrywardell, So you had to buy another H10 !? |
| 01:30:43 | barrywardell | yes, but iriver are sending my broken one back |
| 01:31:04 | maddog011 | how did you continue work on the firmware? |
| 01:31:12 | maddog011 | if you didn't have the devide? |
| 01:31:15 | maddog011 | *device |
| 01:32:13 | barrywardell | i only did what I could without testing |
| 01:32:33 | krime | I installed the rockbox on the iriver h10, I tried to load a wps and now all I see is black. When I hold the power button to turn it off I see the shutting down text. I tried removing it and loading it back up.. it still has the problem. Do you guys have any ideas? |
| 01:32:33 | maddog011 | good job |
| 01:32:34 | barrywardell | and lorijho helped me with some testing until I got a new H10 |
| 01:32:48 | maddog011 | I listened to the player today, and it works great with your firmware |
| 01:33:10 | barrywardell | krime: you probably have a theme with a black background and black text |
| 01:33:14 | maddog011 | it skips on visualisations a bit, but overall it works good |
| 01:33:18 | barrywardell | you need to reset settings |
| 01:33:24 | krime | how? |
| 01:34:39 | barrywardell | power on, press rewind for the menu, press down three times to get to manage settings |
| 01:35:10 | barrywardell | press 'O' to select that. press down twice to get to reset settings and press 'o' twice |
| 01:35:38 | * | barrywardell should look into resetting settings an easier way |
| 01:35:50 | maddog011 | delete ini file? |
| 01:36:02 | barrywardell | maddog011: yes, there is some skipping because the cpu can't keep up |
| 01:36:15 | maddog011 | is the cpu bad on the H10? |
| 01:36:22 | maddog011 | or is it the software's fault |
| 01:36:22 | barrywardell | the settings aren't stored in a file. they're in a special part of the disk |
| 01:36:34 | barrywardell | the cpu is identical to the ipods |
| 01:36:37 | krime | lol I tried.. and got no files, I'll try again |
| 01:36:49 | barrywardell | it's fine |
| 01:36:50 | maddog011 | so how come it skips? |
| 01:36:57 | maddog011 | does it do that on ipods too |
| 01:37:03 | barrywardell | afaik yes |
| 01:37:16 | barrywardell | ipods have the exact same problems |
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| 01:37:38 | maddog011 | btw can anyone send me the doom's wad I wanna see how it works |
| 01:37:49 | barrywardell | they're on the wiki |
| 01:37:59 | maddog011 | thanx barry |
| 01:38:53 | krime | barry I can't get that to work for some reason.. is there any file I can delete that would do the same thing? |
| 01:39:38 | barrywardell | the settings aren't stored in a file |
| 01:40:13 | maddog011 | can't find the damn wad :) |
| 01:41:12 | barrywardell | krime: i'll see if I can find a way to reset them for you |
| 01:41:23 | krime | thanks! |
| 01:41:33 | krime | I'll keep trying this method |
| 01:41:45 | maddog011 | got it |
| 01:41:46 | barrywardell | maddog011: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 01:43:47 | maddog011 | thanks barry :) |
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| 01:47:18 | krime | barry I finaly got it! thanks.. if you find another way to reset it I would be intrested but if not no big deal. |
| 01:48:42 | barrywardell | krime: great. I'll try to get an easy reset method working for next time :) |
| 01:49:21 | krime | wow that was a headache I wish I came in here 3 hours earlyer |
| 01:52:05 | krime | okie one more question.. for some reason the background pictures arn't loading in the themes any ideas why? |
| 01:52:58 | barrywardell | you need to make sure they are in .rockbox/backgrounds |
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| 01:53:31 | barrywardell | i mean .rockbox/backdrops |
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| 01:54:52 | krime | it is.. could it be cause I'm trying to load an ipod nano theme? |
| 01:55:40 | barrywardell | krime: yes, possibly. iirc the nano screen is bigger than the h10 so its themes won't work |
| 01:55:52 | barrywardell | what model do you have? |
| 01:56:15 | krime | h10 5gb |
| 01:57:14 | barrywardell | there are only a couple of themes for that model so far |
| 01:57:21 | Landus | Gotta question. |
| 01:57:28 | barrywardell | none on the rockbox site but one or two on misticriver |
| 01:57:52 | barrywardell | Landus: ask away |
| 01:58:02 | Landus | I'm using a theme meant for iPods, but with the scroll-margins and statusbar height patches, it can work on an iriver. |
| 01:58:26 | Landus | The last CVS build I grabbed a week or two ago doesn't seem to have the statusbar patch apply. |
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| 01:58:47 | Landus | Even though the latest version of that patch says everything worked. |
| 01:59:14 | Landus | Also, I even tested the CVS build from the day the newest patch was released. |
| 01:59:21 | Landus | Still, the statusbar didn't change. |
| 01:59:40 | barrywardell | those patches aren't included in CVS |
| 01:59:42 | Landus | So I'm still using what I compiled two months ago. |
| 01:59:51 | Landus | No. The patches I downloaded manually. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:16 | Landus | Has there been any changes to Rockbox that would make updating a priority? |
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| 02:02:08 | barrywardell | you could look at http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html and see what has changed |
| 02:06:44 | Landus | Too much reading. |
| 02:06:51 | Landus | If there's been anything major. |
| 02:06:54 | Landus | Everyone would know. |
| 02:06:59 | Landus | Hence, the asking. |
| 02:08:38 | * | barrywardell has only been here for a month |
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| 02:19:58 | Soap | what do you consider major? The mpeg player? The button code reworkings? The PlayStationPortable emmulator? |
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| 02:20:03 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:22:43 | Landus | Ooer. |
| 02:22:49 | Landus | I can play mpegs on my iriver now? |
| 02:23:05 | Landus | And the button code was reworked? |
| 02:23:17 | preglow | yes |
| 02:23:36 | aliask | MPEG playback isn't working fully yet - it's a bit slow, and there's no sound. |
| 02:23:47 | Soap | meh! details details |
| 02:24:12 | Soap | You've come late-enough to the upgrade that most of the button bugs have been worked out. |
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| 02:25:14 | Landus | What about the 5 second lag when browsing folders with alot of sub-folders? |
| 02:27:11 | aliask | Gone completely if you use dircache |
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| 02:28:59 | webguest42 | Anyone here |
| 02:29:05 | aliask | Nope |
| 02:29:19 | webguest42 | lol k i need some help with the 5G rockbox |
| 02:29:28 | aliask | Whats the issue? |
| 02:29:43 | webguest42 | installing doom,pacman, etc. |
| 02:30:15 | aliask | Have you followed the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 02:30:37 | webguest42 | yup |
| 02:30:42 | webguest42 | im pretty sure i did it rite |
| 02:30:58 | webguest42 | i put the 2 files on the game/doom folder isnt that all im suppose to do? |
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| 02:31:18 | aliask | What does the doom plugin say when it starts? |
| 02:31:29 | webguest42 | it doesnt say anything |
| 02:31:39 | webguest42 | it doesnt even load |
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| 02:32:17 | webguest42 | wut did i do wrong? |
| 02:32:17 | sorush20 | you roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooock.. all of you with your great ideas.. |
| 02:32:44 | sorush20 | can I install rockbox to sony mp3 player? |
| 02:32:49 | Soap | nope |
| 02:32:58 | webguest42 | hello can anyone answer my question? |
| 02:33:20 | sorush20 | Soap: what that to me? |
| 02:33:29 | Soap | yes, sorush20 |
| 02:33:29 | aliask | webguest42: I'm not really sure how that happened. Try copying the plugin file over again - perhaps its been damaged. |
| 02:33:40 | Soap | are you using the stock build webguest42? |
| 02:33:48 | webguest42 | wut do u mean? |
| 02:33:49 | Soap | (the "daily" build) |
| 02:34:10 | webguest42 | i used the un-official installer to install my rockbox if thats wut u mean |
| 02:34:15 | Soap | WHAT |
| 02:34:24 | webguest42 | ?? |
| 02:34:25 | Soap | not wut, please. |
| 02:34:39 | aliask | webguest42: The bootloader shouldn't have anything to do with it. |
| 02:34:51 | webguest42 | i nvr sed anything with the bootloader |
| 02:34:52 | sorush20 | Soap: are there any discussion about it anywhere? |
| 02:34:54 | Soap | yea, if Rockbox runs, you should be cool on that front. |
| 02:34:57 | webguest42 | im just wondering wut i did wrong |
| 02:35:03 | aliask | Ah sorry, I misread |
| 02:35:27 | webguest42 | Well im gonna try again |
| 02:35:34 | webguest42 | wait... |
| 02:35:45 | webguest42 | when im in rock box all i do is click on the doom folder and click doom rite? |
| 02:36:11 | webguest42 | ??? |
| 02:36:13 | aliask | No |
| 02:36:20 | webguest42 | wut do i do |
| 02:36:25 | Soap | sorush20 - there is a special place in the forums for ideas for new targets, but "requesting" a target port is not going to get you support. People port Rockbox to what they own, and want rockbox on. Nobody is going to go out and buy a Sony and port Rockbox to it based on petitions or popular opinion. |
| 02:36:26 | webguest42 | i must be doing something wrong on that part |
| 02:36:30 | aliask | You need to go to the menu, and choose Browse Plugins |
| 02:36:36 | aliask | Then go to the Doom plugin. |
| 02:36:47 | webguest42 | oooooooooooo |
| 02:36:47 | aliask | That should start doom |
| 02:36:52 | webguest42 | lol let me try taht |
| 02:36:55 | webguest42 | im such a noob |
| 02:37:25 | Soap | webguest42 - u typing mk me go wut. I cat follow what you say, rite? |
| 02:38:26 | webguest42 | ?? |
| 02:38:51 | preglow | hahaha |
| 02:39:01 | webguest42 | Yay it worked |
| 02:39:03 | webguest42 | i think |
| 02:39:06 | webguest42 | its loading rite now |
| 02:39:17 | aliask | Packbox needs the same thing, you access it from the plugins menu. |
| 02:39:32 | webguest42 | yea but about pacbox |
| 02:39:37 | webguest42 | it says i need ROM |
| 02:40:24 | webguest42 | ??? |
| 02:40:30 | aliask | You need gamefiles for packbox as well. |
| 02:40:47 | Soap | That you do, you need to copy it off your PacMan cartridge or arcade machine rom chip. That is the only legal way to obtain one. |
| 02:40:59 | webguest42 | theres always google |
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| 02:43:46 | aliask | Anyone able to tell me what I'm doing wrong when trying to add a function to the plugin api struct? |
| 02:44:59 | aliask | I edited plugin.[ch] by adding the prototype to plugin.h and added one a line for the function in plugin.c as well as bumping the API version - is there something I missed, because I'm still getting notices of "There is no member named ... in that struct" |
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| 03:53:16 | infamis | anyone familiar with diff/patch? |
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| 03:54:05 | aliask | infamis: What do you need to know? |
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| 03:55:40 | infamis | how to patch a lot of files |
| 03:55:57 | infamis | ps, it's not rockbox source |
| 03:56:41 | aliask | To patch a bunch of files, I use cvs patch - but that only works if the files you're patching are from a CVS repository. |
| 03:57:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | patch should be able to handle it just fine as long as your patchfile is good. |
| 03:57:50 | aliask | Does patch work for directories? You could try creating two directories - one with the original, and one with the modified files and see if that works |
| 03:58:10 | aliask | Ah sorry, patch not diff. |
| 03:59:03 | infamis | basically if I have: official_huge_ass_source_directory and I've made lots of changes & added new files...and then official_huge_ass_source_directory_version2 comes out, I need to integrate all my changes from the original directory into that version2 directory |
| 03:59:53 | infamis | the "lots of changes & added new files" spans over the course of 4 months... |
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| 04:01:47 | infamis | so how can I create a patch file to do this sort of thing? |
| 04:02:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can't you extract a clean copy of official_huge_ass_source_directory and diff between it and your changed one? I'm not *too* familiar with it, but I imagine the tool should be able to handle that? |
| 04:03:31 | infamis | The good thing is I do have these directories: original_source, original_source_plus_changes, new_source |
| 04:04:03 | infamis | I guess I need to do a (original_source_plus_changes - original_source) + new_source |
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| 06:14:58 | aliask | Just another plug for my trouble with the plugin API, if someone could help me out it'd be much appreciated. |
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| 07:00:53 | midkay | aliask? |
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| 07:01:11 | scorche | midkay? |
| 07:01:27 | midkay | what? |
| 07:01:40 | scorche | you have been so distant from me lately =( |
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| 07:01:55 | aliask | I tried adding a function to the Plugin API but it's still not working... do you know much about that sort of thing? |
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| 07:02:17 | midkay | scorche: for a reason! |
| 07:02:25 | scorche | why?!? |
| 07:02:29 | midkay | aliask: sort of, i've done it before - did you add it to both plugin.c and plugin.h? |
| 07:02:51 | aliask | Yep |
| 07:03:03 | midkay | so it compiles cleanly, or do you get an error, or what? |
| 07:03:39 | aliask | Plugin.c gives me "initialization from incompatible pointer type" and the call to the function doesn't work - it still says it's not in the struct. |
| 07:04:10 | midkay | huh.. what function are you trying to add? can you pastebin plugin.c? |
| 07:04:18 | aliask | Sure. Hang on. |
| 07:05:56 | aliask | http://pastebin.ca/164904 |
| 07:06:18 | aliask | I'll pastebin plugin.h as well - there could be something there too |
| 07:07:00 | midkay | sure, and you're adding what? |
| 07:07:08 | midkay | guy_synclist_set_title? |
| 07:07:11 | midkay | gui* |
| 07:07:20 | aliask | Yep |
| 07:08:00 | aliask | Wait, I misspelt gui_synclist_set_title in plugin.h - nevermind :P |
| 07:08:27 | midkay | haha. that'll be it. |
| 07:08:33 | aliask | Thanks anyway. |
| 07:08:34 | midkay | how did you spell it? :) |
| 07:08:37 | aliask | tile |
| 07:08:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:09:05 | aliask | And that wasn't the first time I misspelt it - the first time I forgot the sync part. |
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| 07:09:42 | scorche | i hate it when there are simple errors like that...i have spent weeks over an issue once where i forgot to enclose something in parentheses... |
| 07:09:45 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:09:56 | midkay | misspelt? misspelled? |
| 07:10:01 | midkay | someone's got some spelling issues ;D |
| 07:10:20 | aliask | Oh dear... :( |
| 07:10:34 | aliask | Haha |
| 07:10:35 | midkay | it's alright aliask, i love you just the same. |
| 07:10:50 | scorche | ok...we need a #rockbox qdb for that one |
| 07:10:59 | aliask | Nuuuuu |
| 07:11:02 | aliask | Hall of shame |
| 07:11:08 | aliask | #1 - aliask |
| 07:11:18 | Babbelaar | hey |
| 07:11:20 | Babbelaar | umm |
| 07:11:36 | Babbelaar | why is it that on rockbox the screen goes away every 3 seconds? |
| 07:12:03 | scorche | do you not have it on its leash? |
| 07:12:24 | Babbelaar | leash? |
| 07:12:34 | midkay | the screen goes "away"? |
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| 07:12:46 | Babbelaar | how do explain this >.> |
| 07:12:49 | Babbelaar | +i |
| 07:12:56 | aliask | It's the backlight turning off |
| 07:13:01 | Babbelaar | Um.. the screen "fades away" |
| 07:13:03 | Babbelaar | thats it |
| 07:13:16 | aliask | You can set it for longer - but it will use more battery life |
| 07:13:27 | Babbelaar | I have an iriver btw |
| 07:13:33 | Babbelaar | yeh but where do i set it? |
| 07:13:41 | scorche | midkay: i think we need to go get some counseling... |
| 07:14:06 | midkay | Babbelaar: you can set the battery timeout, fade duration (e.g. disable it altogether, or whatever) all in the settings menus. |
| 07:14:08 | aliask | Menu -> General Settings -> Display -> LCD Settings -> Backlight |
| 07:14:18 | midkay | scorche: you should, yeah. |
| 07:14:28 | scorche | but what about *us*?!? |
| 07:14:37 | Babbelaar | o0 |
| 07:14:39 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:19:13 | Babbelaar | how do you get to general settings? |
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| 07:19:42 | aliask | Which iriver do you have? |
| 07:19:51 | Babbelaar | h300 |
| 07:19:58 | aliask | Press ab |
| 07:21:25 | Babbelaar | it come up with Shuffle on the left hand side - Repeat on the right hand side and Show files at the bottom |
| 07:25:57 | scorche | Babbelaar: please read the manual....it will show you this and many other things |
| 07:27:11 | Babbelaar | ok :) |
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| 07:31:49 | webguest52 | Anyone here? |
| 07:32:14 | webguest52 | ,,,, |
| 07:32:53 | midkay | calm down... |
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| 07:33:10 | scorche | the same goes for you >_> |
| 07:33:12 | * | scorche coughs |
| 07:33:19 | midkay | ha... |
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| 08:29:10 | Jungti1234 | hello. |
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| 08:36:36 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
| 08:36:45 | BHSPitLappy | :/ |
| 08:36:55 | Jungti1234 | hmm.... |
| 08:37:24 | Jungti1234 | Korean Rockbox situation is not good now.... |
| 08:37:36 | scorche | oh? |
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| 08:40:15 | BHSPitLappy | uh oh |
| 08:41:37 | Jungti1234 | Korean Rockbox developer who there doesn't exist in Rockbox team exists in Korea. |
| 08:42:03 | scorche | Jungti1234: rephrase? |
| 08:42:35 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox team doesn't have Korean developer. |
| 08:42:55 | scorche | what is so bad about that? |
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| 08:42:59 | Jungti1234 | but, Korea has a little Rockbox developer. |
| 08:43:08 | scorche | (not in any offence) |
| 08:43:13 | Jungti1234 | They don't think original Rockbox. |
| 08:43:39 | Jungti1234 | They want that korean people use only own build that is based on Rockbox. |
| 08:43:40 | scorche | what do you mean they have a little rockbox dev? |
| 08:43:46 | scorche | oh |
| 08:44:08 | scorche | so they make custom builds and pass that off as kind of an officially korean rockbox build? |
| 08:44:29 | Jungti1234 | But, they never speak it that is Experimental build. |
| 08:44:43 | scorche | do they modify the credits? |
| 08:45:43 | aliask | Jungti1234: Do you have a link to a website? |
| 08:45:48 | Quazgaa | so if i have an iaudio X5L, do i use the "Bootloader v2 for iAudio X5" or "Bootloader v2 for iAudio X5V" |
| 08:46:31 | scorche | Jungti1234: do they offer the source code to it as well? |
| 08:46:33 | Jungti1234 | aliask: only korean.. |
| 08:46:56 | aliask | That's ok, I am just curious. Google can translate for me. |
| 08:46:57 | Jungti1234 | scorche: of course, offer. |
| 08:46:58 | scorche | Jungti1234: what is the site? |
| 08:47:18 | Jungti1234 | no, you can't use tranlate |
| 08:47:41 | aliask | Hrm? |
| 08:48:24 | scorche | Jungti1234: the site? |
| 08:48:32 | scorche | errr..link? |
| 08:48:36 | Jungti1234 | wait.. |
| 08:49:02 | Jungti1234 | http://cafe.naver.com/ipodrockbox |
| 08:49:32 | Jungti1234 | And will creat homepage with build that they are new at next year. |
| 08:50:16 | scorche | Jungti1234: have you said anything on the forums there about it not being official and all? |
| 08:50:40 | Jungti1234 | It isn't simple forum. |
| 08:52:39 | Jungti1234 | ah............. |
| 08:53:15 | scorche | Jungti1234: when you go to http://cafe.naver.com/ArticleList.nhn?clubid=12290193&menuid=10&boardtype=L and click on one of the links, what does the box that pops up say? |
| 08:53:35 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 08:54:03 | Jungti1234 | you mean, popup? |
| 08:54:05 | scorche | when i click on one, a box pops up and says something with the "ok" button at the bottom |
| 08:54:23 | Jungti1234 | 'Do Login' |
| 08:54:35 | Jungti1234 | They show contents to member. wahahahahahahah...... |
| 08:54:36 | scorche | figured as much |
| 08:54:51 | scorche | but they do show the source code? |
| 08:55:04 | Jungti1234 | yes, but only member. |
| 08:55:07 | Jungti1234 | maybe. |
| 08:55:49 | scorche | do find out....if they do not give the source code to anyone that asks, it is a violation of GPL basically |
| 08:57:18 | scorche | Jungti1234: also, can you find out if anyone on their chat thing speaks english? |
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| 08:58:18 | scorche | aliask: yeah...translating is definitely hopeless |
| 08:58:33 | aliask | I didn't even try :) |
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| 08:58:53 | scorche | but you can still find out stuff by looking at the names of links and the english that is scattered around |
| 08:58:56 | aliask | Korean is not a good language for google, and it's a forum, so it's probably not even proper Korean. |
| 08:59:28 | scorche | i havent found the "forum" aspect of it |
| 08:59:45 | aliask | Isn't the whole thing one? I just assumed. |
| 08:59:52 | scorche | nope |
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| 09:04:55 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 09:07:03 | Babbelaar | try Babbelfish |
| 09:07:05 | Babbelaar | it works |
| 09:07:16 | Babbelaar | as in translator that is |
| 09:07:59 | scorche | so it does...i thought that babelfish and google's translators were pretty much identical |
| 09:08:41 | Babbelaar | lol |
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| 09:11:12 | scorche | oooooo |
| 09:11:24 | * | scorche spies Jungti1234 on the online members list |
| 09:11:34 | Jungti1234 | haha |
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| 09:36:52 | Jungti1234 | bye, |
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| 09:47:41 | ootput | hello, i'm currently using rockbox-dailies on my ipod mini 1g. I've found the rechardge process to be relatively slow. What's teh fastest way to charge it with rocboxk? |
| 09:48:05 | ootput | i can reboot into diskmode, but that's still slow |
| 09:48:13 | ootput | but not as slow |
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| 09:48:18 | Quazgaa | hmm so having never had a usb hd before, how do i mount my player |
| 09:48:43 | Quazgaa | like what filesystem do these deals use |
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| 09:49:36 | ootput | Quazgaa: cat /proc/partitions, cross your fingers, plug it in, wait a while, cat /proc/partitions and notice the difference(s), mount -t auto /dev/xxYY /mnt/xxYY |
| 09:49:53 | ootput | then modify /etc/fstab if all goes well |
| 09:50:56 | Quazgaa | ah looks like sdb |
| 09:51:11 | Quazgaa | sweet |
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| 09:58:12 | ootput | Quazgaa: it'd be sdb* , say sdb1, or something |
| 09:58:37 | ootput | Quazgaa: your distro may(not) already mount it |
| 09:58:44 | Quazgaa | yeah i got it thanks |
| 09:58:59 | Quazgaa | new to these newfangled portable dealies, not computers ;) |
| 09:59:04 | scorche | also, it is a bit easier just using dmesg... |
| 09:59:51 | Quazgaa | hmm so its vfat |
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| 10:00:02 | Quazgaa | anybody ever reformat these drives to something cooler than vfat? |
| 10:00:18 | scorche | yes, but rockbox only supports fat32 |
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| 10:00:22 | ootput | not unless the device depended on fat32 |
| 10:00:27 | Quazgaa | ok |
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| 10:12:08 | _jhMikeS_ | preglow: thanks! gotta integrate my recording changnes into that! ;) |
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| 10:13:04 | _jhMikeS_ | preglow: does that mean it support MPEG1 and MPEG2 and all the corresponding sample rate and all the stereo modes now? |
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| 10:14:12 | * | jhMikeS fixed the spontaneous shutdown problem on the x5 when the power key is held for 1s |
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| 10:18:29 | Quazgaa | yay |
| 10:18:43 | Quazgaa | i just got my x5 today |
| 10:18:53 | Quazgaa | and just threw rockbox on it |
| 10:18:58 | Quazgaa | looks like ill be upgrading already :p |
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| 10:56:10 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 10:56:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: g'day :) |
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| 11:01:53 | jhMikeS | man it's so loud in here |
| 11:02:11 | JdGordon | does anyone know where/how setttings are currently stored to non-volatire ram on the iriver hxxx series? |
| 11:02:37 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yea... its still early sat morning in yurope... cant expect much movement |
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| 11:03:36 | scorche | i wouldnt call 11 early, but yeah |
| 11:03:39 | jhMikeS | They Might Be Giants has a song for every occasion :) Was listening at just the right time. |
| 11:04:03 | JdGordon | its 11am already? i thought it was like 8 or 9 |
| 11:04:08 | scorche | naw |
| 11:04:17 | scorche | i just know it is 8 hours ahead of MST |
| 11:04:22 | * | JdGordon needs a world clock on his comp |
| 11:04:27 | JdGordon | mst? |
| 11:04:28 | jhMikeS | That's still figin' early :) |
| 11:04:32 | scorche | mountain standard |
| 11:04:48 | * | jhMikeS :edt |
| 11:05:13 | jhMikeS | 5:02am here ... almost time for bed |
| 11:05:17 | scorche | i know from last night...i thought the way you were thinking...but then zagor said it was 8 there...amde a mental note ;) |
| 11:06:54 | JdGordon | time for some openttd while i wait for more acitvity here :p |
| 11:06:55 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: That's not handled in settings.c? |
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| 11:07:04 | JdGordon | ... and my friends to not be anti social tonight |
| 11:07:27 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: i assume it is, but the only thing that looks like it would be it is #ifdef'ed out on iriver |
| 11:07:34 | * | jhMikeS is the antisocialite |
| 11:07:56 | * | JdGordon thought it was HAVE_RTC_RAM but its only defined for archos |
| 11:08:24 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: hmmm...I wasn't aware of settings being stored that was on HD players |
| 11:08:29 | jhMikeS | that way |
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| 11:09:37 | JdGordon | neither, but Linus is making sure my settings stuff can save to eeprom on iriver, so im trying to see how its done now |
| 11:10:01 | scorche | JdGordon: RTC RAM *is* only on archos iirc |
| 11:10:47 | jhMikeS | yes.. |
| 11:11:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: rtc_write! hehe :P |
| 11:11:41 | jhMikeS | Should be doable on x5 too |
| 11:11:53 | JdGordon | well ive done it using that... but that is #ifdefed out for all except have_rtc_ram |
| 11:12:43 | jhMikeS | There's no support for Hxxx then yet, eh? Or you've done it on that? |
| 11:12:48 | nls | JdGordon, since you've been fiddeling with the buttons :-) ... Is it intentional that only iriver hxx0 has dirskip? |
| 11:13:02 | jhMikeS | dirskip?? :? |
| 11:13:17 | nls | like play + right skips to next dir |
| 11:13:18 | JdGordon | nls: not intentional... but i dont know the combos for other targes |
| 11:13:32 | JdGordon | all targets can do short then long next/prev to do it |
| 11:13:44 | JdGordon | tell me an aviable combo and ill add it |
| 11:14:08 | nls | oh is that in the kaymap? I have a h300 and don't know the other players |
| 11:14:09 | jhMikeS | double click right/left ... reaching the joystick on x5 with the side buttons gives carpel tunnel |
| 11:15:03 | JdGordon | <jhMikeS> There's no support for Hxxx then yet, eh? Or you've done it on that? <- i have added it in a fairly generic way, so once i figure out how to do it on iriver it shouldnt be hard to get wokrking |
| 11:15:06 | jhMikeS | at least with one hand. could pop right out of you hand trying it with one |
| 11:15:33 | JdGordon | nls: press left then long left (or right and long right) to dirskip |
| 11:15:40 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I would love to do it if I had an iRiver player...was thinking about picking up an H120 or something for the digital in |
| 11:16:06 | jhMikeS | x5 has no good way I can see to dirskip |
| 11:16:30 | JdGordon | x5 has the same combo..... |
| 11:17:15 | jhMikeS | you mean power key combo with joystick? |
| 11:17:30 | nls | JdGordon, right + long right on h300 = playback freeze but not total crash :-( but play?right works |
| 11:17:40 | nls | play+right |
| 11:17:56 | JdGordon | it should only freeze for half a sec while it loads the next directory |
| 11:18:10 | JdGordon | they both _should_work.. |
| 11:18:12 | JdGordon | let me check.. |
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| 11:18:33 | jhMikeS | We can't do double clicks can we? I don't know the key processing code at all really. |
| 11:18:51 | JdGordon | we can.... |
| 11:19:26 | JdGordon | dirskip doesnt work very well without dircachee |
| 11:19:38 | jhMikeS | x5 is tougie because as I say...side buttons + joystick could mean losing your banana |
| 11:20:30 | * | JdGordon bbl |
| 11:20:38 | nls | cant reproduce the freeze, odd. but can't make right+long right work either |
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| 11:21:45 | jhMikeS | Did I miss something or are there detailed closeup pictures in the wiki of each player? All six views that is so button programmers can refer to that...might help? Just an idea. |
| 11:22:13 | nls | there's always the sim backgrounds.. |
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| 11:22:34 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Double clicks for dirskip would be bad |
| 11:22:37 | jhMikeS | true...something should be online for quick reference. |
| 11:22:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm thinking that too |
| 11:22:56 | amiconn | Short-long click is ok |
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| 11:23:17 | jhMikeS | Short will get you the next song and maybe the next dir too |
| 11:24:23 | amiconn | If you are left-handed, side button + joystick on X5 is okay |
| 11:24:41 | amiconn | I still wonder why the X5 joystick is placed as it is |
| 11:25:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It's biased against we who have lh bias |
| 11:25:02 | nls | yay reproducable freeze ;-) |
| 11:25:05 | amiconn | Rather cumbersome position for european right-handed people |
| 11:25:32 | jhMikeS | palm it sideways and use thumb |
| 11:26:04 | jhMikeS | but I'm rather ambidextrous so I use it rh |
| 11:26:39 | amiconn | I do use my thumb, but as I am right-handed, the joystick would be better placed in the center or even at the left side instead of the right |
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| 11:27:58 | jhMikeS | true...but it's a good stretching excersize...using the x5 left handed is very uncomfortable without spider fingers |
| 11:28:26 | jhMikeS | we have bouncing cards on solitare now? |
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| 11:29:27 | nls | Ok wasn't entirely reproducable... but sometimes on early dirskip the playback+ui freezes, backlight and buttons (off) seem to work |
| 11:29:43 | amiconn | For me using the X5 left-handed is more comfortable than using it right-handed, even though I am right-handed |
| 11:31:45 | Lear | Hm, just noticed that "Filename:" on the recording screen isn't translated... |
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| 11:32:06 | Coldtoast | hi. Does rb include the album art patch as standard now? |
| 11:32:26 | nls | no |
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| 11:32:47 | Coldtoast | ok. have there been any probs when ppl use the patch? |
| 11:32:53 | Coldtoast | does it screw anything? |
| 11:33:08 | scorche | there should be comments about it on its flyspray page |
| 11:33:24 | Coldtoast | eh... just reading actually... it doesn't get the art fromt eh tag |
| 11:33:45 | scorche | no it doesnt |
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| 11:43:40 | amiconn | JdGordon: Does your table-based approach to menus & settings allow for dynamic menus? |
| 11:44:54 | amiconn | There are some menus in rockbox which hide some menu items depending on e.g. hardware details or the context they are called in |
| 11:45:02 | jhMikeS | Dynamic menus? How are they nescessarily static atm? |
| 11:45:43 | amiconn | The main menu dynamically enables/disables the "FM Radio" item depending on whether the hardware is detected or not |
| 11:46:14 | jhMikeS | that's my touch :) |
| 11:46:22 | amiconn | This is necessary for the recorder v2. The early v2s were in fact fm recorders, so they have the fm radio mounted and rockbox should make it usable |
| 11:46:57 | amiconn | Another example is the recording settings menu. When called from the FM radio screen, it doesn't show the source selection item |
| 11:47:47 | jhMikeS | there's gonna be a lot more of that soon too with the recording settings dictated by encoder settings |
| 11:47:56 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 11:48:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did you do something to make solitare harder to win? ;) |
| 11:48:36 | amiconn | Some items also use dynamic text (e.g. the eq menu), but that's bad for voicing, so I think this should be changed |
| 11:48:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Nope. |
| 11:49:04 | * | jhMikeS must just be sucking at it atm... :( |
| 11:49:08 | amiconn | I have one more local change for even better animation, and I will change one more thing |
| 11:49:25 | jhMikeS | I want to win a game to see the bouncing cards |
| 11:49:37 | amiconn | Currently, solitaire saves settings after every game won, and it does so even if the (only) setting didn't change |
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| 11:59:13 | JdGordon | morning amiconn, do u know how (if?) the iriver hxxx saves any settings to the eeprom currently? |
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| 12:00:22 | JdGordon | <amiconn> JdGordon: Does your table-based approach to menus & settings allow for dynamic menus? <- umm... im not sure, i dont tihnk so |
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| 12:04:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: I guess a semi easy way to do it would be add a bool* to the menu struct to check wheather or not to add the item (the menu's are const'ed which makes things a bit difficult) |
| 12:04:57 | jhMikeS | yeah...bouncing cards! |
| 12:06:04 | jhMikeS | Actually what would be helpful is option lists with an actual value associated with it in the structure... |
| 12:06:09 | amiconn | JdGordon: The item arrays of most menus are const'ed atm. The ones for these special menus are not |
| 12:06:39 | amiconn | They are constructed at runtime |
| 12:06:59 | amiconn | I wonder whether we can find a better method |
| 12:07:38 | JdGordon | depends which menus need to be dynamic... because we can just have a list for each case and run the needed one... but thats no good for submenus |
| 12:08:42 | amiconn | Well, the item lists itself can be const, if we have a separate way to exclude certain items from being displayed |
| 12:08:44 | JdGordon | .. the do_menu function is called with a menu to start at, so the fm screen could have 2 menu lists, and just call do_menu() with the correct list |
| 12:09:23 | JdGordon | ... doing this would be less space overall but slightly more painful |
| 12:10:38 | amiconn | Hmm, as long as only one item per menu is optional having 2 versions of the table could be manageable, but not when there's more than one item (with different conditions) |
| 12:11:00 | amiconn | 2 conditions would mean 4 tables etc... |
| 12:11:11 | JdGordon | there is no real reason why functions couldnt dynamically biuld their lists as needed... |
| 12:11:31 | JdGordon | as long as all the needed sub-items are put in a .h |
| 12:11:39 | JdGordon | are decleared in a .h anyway... |
| 12:11:52 | amiconn | Hmm, yes. |
| 12:12:19 | amiconn | Imho there's even a better method for dynamically building a menu than the currently used method |
| 12:12:34 | amiconn | Currently, dynamic menus are constructed item-by-item |
| 12:12:45 | amiconn | (have a look at e.g. the main menu) |
| 12:13:09 | jhMikeS | blank menu items aren't skipped by the selector either...we need disabled menu items too |
| 12:14:10 | amiconn | We could use several partial arrays containing the fixed items, plus some single-item arrays containing the optional items, and assemble the dynamic list with a couply of memcpy()s |
| 12:14:39 | jhMikeS | I've even put dynamic items at the end of the menu for the mp3 encoder and just tell init_menu that it has fewer items |
| 12:15:21 | amiconn | That surely works for some meus, but is too limited for general use |
| 12:15:28 | amiconn | *menus |
| 12:15:36 | jhMikeS | You mean not filling the structure completely as compile time? |
| 12:16:28 | amiconn | No, I mean not filling the structure used for actual display at all, but fill it block-by-block by copying from several partial lists |
| 12:16:40 | JdGordon | wont that be slow? |
| 12:16:53 | amiconn | It would be faster than the current method |
| 12:17:49 | amiconn | It's just a bunch of memcpy() calls, with the destination pointer advancing to point behind the added partial list |
| 12:17:53 | jhMikeS | Ok...the items are grouped and then merged into the final struct for display. |
| 12:18:02 | amiconn | This advancing is dead simple - just a sizeof() |
| 12:18:08 | JdGordon | we could have a seperate list of "disableable" items, and any part of the code and en/dis able it whenever they want? |
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| 12:18:22 | jhMikeS | How bout just a flag set for each item? |
| 12:18:40 | JdGordon | the items are all const'ed so we cant chaneg tehe flag at un time |
| 12:18:55 | jhMikeS | Then do the copy...change...display thing |
| 12:19:23 | jhMikeS | or add some apis to change characteristics after initializing the menu |
| 12:20:22 | jhMikeS | but then it cant' use the const array directly... |
| 12:21:17 | JdGordon | looks like im off to do the typical yobbo thing and watch the footy @ the pub.. ttyl |
| 12:21:42 | jhMikeS | JdGorndon: ???? |
| 12:21:50 | JdGordon | i tinhk s sepearte array of disableable items would work becuase the number of them would be small compared to the number of static items |
| 12:22:05 | Lear | jdgordon: what about a bool array as argument to the show menu function? |
| 12:22:06 | jhMikeS | we need an alloca function |
| 12:22:18 | Bagder | good to see the builds < 5 mins now |
| 12:22:29 | Lear | if null, show everything, otherwise show items where corresponding array item is true. |
| 12:22:59 | JdGordon | Lear: im not sure if that would work so well... the callee would need to know how big each menu array is |
| 12:23:00 | jhMikeS | No separate parallel arrays please! |
| 12:23:06 | linuxstb_ | Lear: Sounds complicated keeping the arrays in sync with each other.... |
| 12:23:22 | Lear | true... |
| 12:23:26 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Are you sure alloca doesn't work in Rockbox? |
| 12:23:30 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, the menu items can have a callback, correct? |
| 12:23:35 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:23:43 | jhMikeS | That's why I want set option to return the value not the index if asked |
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| 12:24:08 | amiconn | ...and there is code to add each item to the list widget when the menu is built |
| 12:24:11 | jhMikeS | If the compiler would support it then I think _alloca would work at least on coldfire |
| 12:24:32 | amiconn | alloca() should work |
| 12:24:43 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Tremor uses alloca... |
| 12:24:46 | Lear | then what about an array of id:s specifying what to hide (if, as I recall it, the string id is used in the menu)? |
| 12:25:11 | amiconn | Iirc one has to use __builtin_alloca() but there should be a macro mapping that to alloca() |
| 12:25:17 | jhMikeS | What if the menus use strings directly for some reason? |
| 12:25:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: atm, the menu item callback is called before the menu is enetered.. so it could return a list of items not to show.. or something similar.. if will be fun trying to keep it all in sync.. but it could work |
| 12:25:41 | amiconn | JdGordon: I mean the item can have a callback |
| 12:25:52 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:26:02 | amiconn | This callback could be used for several purposes (e.g. selectable by a parameter) |
| 12:26:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: Looking at Tremor, it just seems to use alloca() directory with no magic. |
| 12:26:30 | linuxstb | s/directory/directly/ |
| 12:26:34 | jhMikeS | the callback is just called when the item is selected... |
| 12:26:47 | amiconn | If the callback is e.g. called with that parameter set to MENU_INIT, it could return true or false depending on whether this item should be displayed or not |
| 12:27:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: WHo says that can't be changed? |
| 12:27:23 | jhMikeS | Are we talking about adding parameters to the callback? |
| 12:27:33 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not me :) |
| 12:27:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, the patch text says it does do mpeg2 rates |
| 12:28:18 | amiconn | The advantage would be that no extra space would be needed for the lists (as the callback fn pointer is already there) |
| 12:28:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: patch text? man...I neglected to read something then |
| 12:28:33 | preglow | Lear: yo, didya try out gcc 4.1 for cf? |
| 12:28:37 | jhMikeS | preglow: what about the other stereo modes? |
| 12:28:38 | amiconn | ..and the callback would only be present for items which actually need it |
| 12:29:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's right there on the page :) - supports MPEG2 sample rates (24000, 22050, 16000) |
| 12:29:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: your update or the original (FS #5939) do you mean? |
| 12:30:51 | preglow | the one posted yesterday |
| 12:31:16 | * | JdGordon gone... ill give this callback stuff a try in a few hours when i get back, semi drunk :D |
| 12:31:44 | Lear | preglow: I did, yes. |
| 12:32:08 | preglow | Lear: any conclusions? |
| 12:32:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: what page? I see the commit notice but that's all...ok I'm being dumb...but I'm half asleep...help me out! :) |
| 12:32:37 | Lear | preglow: about same size as 4.0.3, but a bit slower (for Tremor at least). |
| 12:33:06 | Lear | preglow: and it can optimize away delay loops (easy to avoid, but you need to know where they are...) |
| 12:34:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: FS #5959 |
| 12:34:43 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5959 |
| 12:34:59 | preglow | i hope i haven't fucked something up, i was nearly catatonic when i commited that yesterday, heh |
| 12:35:23 | preglow | Lear: how nice! |
| 12:35:47 | preglow | then i can't honestly say i see any reason to switch to gcc4 for cf |
| 12:35:49 | jhMikeS | preglow: thanks |
| 12:36:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, when did we get mono recording support? i didn't notice that get commited |
| 12:37:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: I just enabled it on iriver...forgot to change #defines around...it always had it |
| 12:37:42 | jhMikeS | about a week ago |
| 12:39:22 | preglow | really |
| 12:39:24 | preglow | well, that rules |
| 12:39:39 | jhMikeS | preglow: no added stereo modes? nothing mentioned about that on the page. |
| 12:39:46 | preglow | the mp3 encoder is actually pretty ok quality for its speed |
| 12:40:11 | jhMikeS | my ears are sensitive and 224 seems to be the sweet spot or it was before |
| 12:40:33 | preglow | i wonder if we could hack it to vbr |
| 12:40:57 | * | jhMikeS want to know the stereo modes available! c'mon! Simple Q! ;) |
| 12:41:05 | preglow | there's nothing about stereo modes |
| 12:41:12 | preglow | i have no idea, i just read what he wrote |
| 12:41:15 | preglow | didn't do any code diving |
| 12:41:45 | jhMikeS | What happened...you took his code and treaked it and put it in your patch? |
| 12:41:53 | preglow | it's not my patch |
| 12:41:54 | preglow | it's his |
| 12:42:00 | preglow | he posted it yesterday |
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| 12:42:25 | preglow | unless it was all a dream and i don't know exactly what you're talking about :> |
| 12:42:34 | jhMikeS | oh...ok...ah I'm so sleepy |
| 12:43:07 | jhMikeS | I asked him about all that and he said he gave up on joint stereo in at least the first iteration |
| 12:43:51 | preglow | ahh, so it doesn't do that |
| 12:43:52 | preglow | pity |
| 12:43:54 | jhMikeS | He's not around much that I know of and can't just engage him to ask him about everything I need to know |
| 12:44:18 | preglow | he's been here a couple of times |
| 12:44:26 | preglow | but mail seems to be your best bet with him |
| 12:45:12 | jhMikeS | ok...well if he doesn't do it then I'm gonna have to get into it at the first opportunity. |
| 12:46:08 | jhMikeS | but I've got to integrate the codec model changes into that code now... |
| 12:46:46 | jhMikeS | AND it has to write correct silence at the beginning and end of files like you're supposed to to flush it |
| 12:47:30 | jhMikeS | Maybe then add a XING header...it could also be able to add ID3 tags in the new incarnation |
| 12:48:02 | amiconn | Hwcodec recording does write an (empty) id3v2 tag and a xing header for ages... |
| 12:48:22 | amiconn | Maybe there's some reusable code |
| 12:48:38 | jhMikeS | well...I'm hoping there is a xing header function pointer in the codec api |
| 12:48:58 | jhMikeS | I mean I'm hoping, <comma> |
| 12:49:00 | amiconn | Perhaps it's not in the codec api, but there is such a function |
| 12:49:16 | amiconn | It's part of id3.c iirc |
| 12:49:16 | jhMikeS | there is one there...I left out important punctuation |
| 12:50:30 | jhMikeS | Everything will go in the encoder chunks...even headers...and markers of where files start and end...they won't be created at every new file |
| 12:50:51 | jhMikeS | the files won't be created immediatly that is |
| 12:51:16 | jhMikeS | which meant some tweaks for create_numbered_filename and create_datetime_filename |
| 12:51:36 | amiconn | ? |
| 12:51:52 | amiconn | The files aren't created immediately on hwcodec either |
| 12:52:05 | amiconn | They're created at the first buffer flush |
| 12:52:22 | amiconn | This is to avoid hd noise on short internal microphone recordings |
| 12:52:23 | jhMikeS | The lazy file creation would allow you to create many files in the same second...and create_numbered_filename needs to have them exist |
| 12:52:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: That isn't the way it is currently...I'm doing that for SWCODEC...didn't know HW was like that |
| 12:54:05 | jhMikeS | Each chunk has a small header with flags including: CHUNKF_FILE_END, CHUNKF_FILE_START and there's a queue for the filenames |
| 12:54:32 | amiconn | Well, hwcodec does the simple version. Files are created at the first buffer flush, but splitting the recording manually always triggers a flush |
| 12:54:44 | amiconn | This way numbered filename creation doesn't break |
| 12:55:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: SWCODEC wont' do that...numbered creation will work still |
| 12:55:33 | jhMikeS | As long as dircache is enabled it won't have to hit the disk |
| 12:56:25 | amiconn | The queueing stuff would be overkill on hwcodec |
| 12:56:26 | jhMikeS | create_datetime_filename will have a unique_time param to make sure that two calls don't happen within the same second |
| 12:57:08 | jhMikeS | amiconn: plenty of room at the end of the audiobuffer for a good queue of 30 filenames |
| 12:57:26 | amiconn | Yes... but it makes very little sense with only 2MB of RAM |
| 12:57:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: true...but I'm not changing hwcodec at all |
| 12:57:58 | amiconn | ...and I dunno, does anyone use file split excessively? |
| 12:58:31 | jhMikeS | I think some do...and the disk spinning is bad when using internal mic |
| 12:58:39 | amiconn | If you're going for the queueing approach, what would happen if more than 30 filenames queue up? |
| 12:58:46 | jhMikeS | Flush one out |
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| 12:58:55 | Quazgaa | more codecs for recording would be cool... like speex that would be fun, and of course ogg ;) |
| 12:59:07 | jhMikeS | at that point you have no choice but that should be rare condition |
| 12:59:20 | amiconn | Realtime vorbis encoding is probably out of question |
| 12:59:33 | jhMikeS | no doubt...can barely decode it rt |
| 12:59:43 | Quazgaa | ah |
| 12:59:48 | Quazgaa | how about speex :) |
| 12:59:53 | amiconn | Even realtime mp3 encoding is only possible with severe quality compromises |
| 12:59:55 | maara | hi i have one quick question |
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| 13:00:31 | preglow | realtime vorbis might be possible, but we would have to make our own encoder |
| 13:00:36 | maara | i have ipod yet and i want to know if rockbox can display filename instad of ID3 tag.... thx |
| 13:01:11 | jhMikeS | pcmrec_callback will let you flush and count you want now...-1 (all) 0 (threshhold) > 0 file count |
| 13:01:29 | jhMikeS | *any count |
| 13:02:29 | jhMikeS | It's a whopper of a change to this...but should work well...I'll make it work well! It WILL work 'cause I say so! |
| 13:02:43 | jhMikeS | :D |
| 13:04:39 | Bagder | maara: yes it can |
| 13:09:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:10:30 | Quazgaa | anybody know what mAh rating the battery in the X5L is |
| 13:11:30 | Bagder | the almighty devicechart knows |
| 13:11:35 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 13:11:56 | Quazgaa | nifty |
| 13:13:31 | jhMikeS | numbered file name creation won't break if you just remember the last number and call create_numbered_filename with the last number + 1 |
| 13:14:16 | jhMikeS | I added an extra in/out param just for this... |
| 13:15:03 | jhMikeS | Set the int pointer to NULL and the old behavior is the same |
| 13:20:38 | * | jhMikeS is wondering if he really should enable GP0 interrupts for the pcf50606 in pcf50506-x5.c or is there a better file to do that in? |
| 13:20:42 | preglow | eh, why would pdir1full actually crash? |
| 13:20:48 | barrywardell | anyone know why the ipod writes 2 pixels to the lcd at a time? |
| 13:21:04 | maara | @Bagder: great! thanks |
| 13:21:10 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: I'ts in a hurry |
| 13:21:15 | preglow | barrywardell: wouldn't it make sense to always write as much as you can at once? |
| 13:21:39 | barrywardell | yes, but i just tried changing it to 1 on the h10 and got a small speed increase |
| 13:21:53 | barrywardell | 26-27fps |
| 13:22:02 | barrywardell | i mean 26->27fps |
| 13:22:20 | barrywardell | wondering if I'm missing something |
| 13:22:51 | jhMikeS | No interrupt should be at level 7 correct then it won't be disabled when HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL is set, right? |
| 13:24:29 | pixelma | linuxstb: I noticed a problem in Sudoku (in a sim) - the lines of the board are drawn with the theme's foreground colour... if one set it to something else than black it looks odd (it also uses the theme's background colour but that's not so important) |
| 13:25:02 | jhMikeS | And there's no concern over other interrupts interfering with communication with the PMU during interrupt handling? So no set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) is needed there? |
| 13:27:40 | jhMikeS | If you want to see what I did just look at the pcf50606-x5.c update on the main page...tell me if something is a gotcha...but the code seems to work as I expected. |
| 13:28:17 | Quazgaa | so even with the battery capacity set at 2250mAh the battery life meter says like 14 hours left, i thought these were supposed to get 35 |
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| 13:37:51 | Coldtoast | with the battery capacty, the lowest you can set it to is 1300mAh. Surely the Nano battery isn't 1300? |
| 13:38:28 | Bagder | Quazgaa: that's because we haven't made the estimate very good yet on the x5 |
| 13:40:32 | jhMikeS | Noone knows about those last few q's or are the answers just too obvious to ask about it? ??? |
| 13:40:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: I don't think there's a real trap other than UIE for pdir1full. |
| 13:41:09 | preglow | might not be |
| 13:41:15 | preglow | but why isn't dma servicing it anyway? |
| 13:41:18 | Bagder | Coldtoast: correct, that should be fixed too |
| 13:41:27 | preglow | someone running around with disabled interrupts or something? |
| 13:41:55 | Coldtoast | Bagder: does it affect the accuracy of the batt display on WPS at all? |
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| 13:42:15 | Bagder | not that alone, no |
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| 13:42:42 | Bagder | the batt display generally works without care for the mah value |
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| 13:42:48 | Bagder | the mah is for run-time estimation |
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| 13:43:06 | alfius | hiya |
| 13:43:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: I guess I'll read up on why DMA would get delayed it reading the FIFO...others are having this problem too. |
| 13:43:54 | alfius | just a quick query: now ive installed rockbox onto my nano how do i get music onto it ... i used ml_ipod before will that still work? |
| 13:45:57 | Coldtoast | alfius: create a dir called Music or something in the root and copy songs there |
| 13:46:08 | Coldtoast | copy music onto it anywhere you liek tho |
| 13:46:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: come to think of it...you could spend a lot of time mucking about in DMA1 and the FIFO will be filling up at the same time. |
| 13:46:34 | Coldtoast | then just browse the file list and find whatever you want to play |
| 13:46:59 | Coldtoast | you'l see the nano is just another drive in Windows Explorer |
| 13:47:13 | * | jhMikeS doesn't really know the answer for sure so will shut up till he does |
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| 13:57:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh? |
| 13:57:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: i thought the dma interrupt was over with pretty quick |
| 13:57:48 | preglow | just copied a buffer then returned |
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| 14:00:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: only 6 samples in FIFO...it's doing the peaking in there for each DMA chunk |
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| 14:49:17 | D_C | do you think defragging a hard drive based mp3 player is a good idea? |
| 14:49:28 | JdGordon | it wont hurt... |
| 14:51:52 | Lear | it's slow though... |
| 14:51:52 | JdGordon | amiconn: i'v just added the dynamic menu item stuff... dont know if it actually works or not.. but it didnt add too much code to do. so should be good |
| 14:56:22 | JdGordon | hmm... damn.. this isnt going to work |
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| 14:59:17 | leftright | instead of defragging on the player, I copy the files to and external HD, and then copy them back to the player, its far quicker |
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| 15:01:52 | leftright | it'll take forever to defrag files on yor player if you don't have enough disk space, |
| 15:02:04 | leftright | free disk space |
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| 15:04:53 | Arathis | is it a bug, a cheat or made on purpose that in bubble you can resume to the farest level (with 0 points though) you ever played by pressing down, resume and abort (down, FF, play for H10) in the highscore menu? |
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| 15:12:40 | amiconn | It's on purpose. You can start playing on any level from 1 up to the farthest you ever reached before |
| 15:12:45 | amiconn | g2g |
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| 15:36:43 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
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| 15:38:02 | Jungti1234 | Must Rockbox pay money partially later? |
| 15:39:20 | Jungti1234 | For example, it means plugins or patchs, themes download. |
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| 15:42:56 | markun | Jungti1234: are you asking if rockbox will stay free forever? |
| 15:46:00 | Jungti1234 | Some Korean is strange. |
| 15:46:10 | Jungti1234 | Have strange ideas. |
| 15:46:37 | Jungti1234 | markun: of course, yes. |
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| 15:47:42 | O11 | Hey.. I have a quick question.. |
| 15:48:01 | Jungti1234 | yep? |
| 15:48:05 | O11 | does anyone know how you add a song to play after the song you are currently playing on a h300? |
| 15:48:05 | markun | O11: just ask |
| 15:48:22 | markun | O11: hold NAVI on the song and select 'add next' |
| 15:48:41 | markun | (insert next?) |
| 15:48:44 | O11 | thanks.. going to be playing some music at a party later.. should be useful =P |
| 15:48:57 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
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| 15:52:31 | Lynx_ | O11: you should read about party mode in the manual, that'll be useful |
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| 15:54:34 | Arathis | O11: or make a playlist within rockbox or on your pc for it. you can apend songs to a playlist from within rockbox too |
| 15:54:37 | bluebrother | Jungti1234, you're in Japan, aren't you? |
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| 15:55:37 | Jungti1234 | no, I'm in korea |
| 15:56:06 | bluebrother | oh. But can you tell me something about the fm radio settings there? |
| 15:56:19 | bluebrother | I want to get more input on this topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6332.0 |
| 15:56:40 | Arathis | question to the linux users: how can I find out where a device is mounted? I don't mean /media // /mnt . /dev or something like this |
| 15:56:46 | Jungti1234 | what's that? |
| 15:57:03 | Nibbier | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11703 |
| 15:57:06 | Nibbier | ?? :) |
| 15:57:20 | bluebrother | Arathis, I don't get your question. Do you mean "mount"? |
| 15:57:40 | bluebrother | Jungti1234, the fm radio range and settings? |
| 15:57:54 | Rondom | Arathis: type mount |
| 15:57:56 | Jungti1234 | yes, I know but |
| 15:58:13 | markun | bluebrother: aren't the settings in israel different as well? |
| 15:58:14 | Jungti1234 | Do you want Korean something? |
| 15:58:30 | bluebrother | Jungti1234, can you confirm / correct the values I mentioned in that post? |
| 15:59:06 | Jungti1234 | korea? japan? |
| 15:59:14 | bluebrother | markun, I don't know about israel. But if someone around can tell me the correct parameters (and / or post it in the forums) it would be helpful |
| 15:59:28 | Arathis | bluebrother, Rondom: yeah, that's it. should have thought of that one XD |
| 15:59:44 | bluebrother | Jungti1234, the one(s) you know. If you have knowledge of japan too it would be nice :) |
| 15:59:57 | Jungti1234 | I know korea, japan |
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| 16:00:00 | markun | bluebrother: this might be about israel: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4248.0 |
| 16:00:00 | bluebrother | but I haven't found information on korea before. |
| 16:00:56 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 16:01:25 | Jungti1234 | Isn't US FM radio extent 87.5 ~ 108.0? |
| 16:03:02 | O11 | Lynx_: bit late for that now.. i need to kick out.. but thanks for the help everyone.. |
| 16:03:09 | O11 | i'll check it out later.. |
| 16:03:20 | O11 | damn.. i think my battery has broken.. |
| 16:03:23 | Lynx_ | O11: just set it to party mode in the playback menu |
| 16:03:28 | O11 | it lasts about 10 minutes |
| 16:03:32 | Lynx_ | ah |
| 16:03:42 | O11 | i don't know why =( |
| 16:03:57 | O11 | maybe I could replace the battery myself.. |
| 16:04:22 | D_C | ive had my H320 for 2 years and my battery still lasts a while :/ |
| 16:04:26 | Jungti1234 | bluebrother? |
| 16:04:34 | O11 | D_C: with rockbox? |
| 16:04:45 | D_C | ive only been using rockbox for about a month |
| 16:04:58 | O11 | I should probably do a proper battery test to check.. |
| 16:05:00 | O11 | anyway.. |
| 16:05:01 | O11 | bye! |
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| 16:05:15 | D_C | were would i get iriver h3xx spare parts anyways? |
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| 16:11:33 | bluebrother | Jungti1234, sorry, needed to answer the door. |
| 16:15:05 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 16:15:19 | Jungti1234 | Isn't US FM radio extent 87.5 ~ 108.0? |
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| 16:15:37 | bluebrother | I don't know for sure −− I got my informations from wikipedia. |
| 16:15:53 | Jungti1234 | I think US use 87.5 ~ 108.0. |
| 16:16:13 | Jungti1234 | japan is 76.0 ~ 108.0. |
| 16:16:51 | bluebrother | ok |
| 16:16:54 | markun | Jungti1234: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_band |
| 16:17:21 | markun | "In Japan the FM broadcast band is 76–90 MHz" |
| 16:17:25 | Jungti1234 | 87.9-107.9 ? |
| 16:19:25 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 16:21:03 | Jungti1234 | japan is 76.0 ~ 90.0. |
| 16:21:24 | Jungti1234 | korea is 87.5 ~ 108.0. |
| 16:21:53 | bluebrother | so korea is the same range as europe. |
| 16:22:05 | bluebrother | Do you know about frequency step size and deemphasis? |
| 16:22:40 | Jungti1234 | korea? |
| 16:22:44 | Jungti1234 | what is 'deemphasis'? |
| 16:22:54 | Jungti1234 | step is.. 0.1mhz |
| 16:23:19 | bluebrother | deemphasis is a intended disortion of the signal to improve the SNR. |
| 16:23:34 | bluebrother | europe uses a time constant of 50µs, us 75µs. |
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| 16:30:17 | barrywardell_ | bluebrother: according to my h10 original firmware japan is 76.0-108.0 |
| 16:30:41 | barrywardell_ | korea, europe and us are 87.5-108.0 |
| 16:32:42 | bluebrother | ok. Are they different in step size? |
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| 16:34:12 | Jungti1234 | yes iriver is... something is strange. |
| 16:34:49 | barrywardell_ | .05 for europe |
| 16:34:53 | barrywardell_ | .1 for us |
| 16:34:59 | Jungti1234 | .1 for korea too |
| 16:35:01 | Jungti1234 | japan too. |
| 16:35:18 | barrywardell_ | yes |
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| 16:36:12 | barrywardell | assuming the iriver fw is right |
| 16:37:10 | bluebrother | hmm. Using 87.5 - 108.0 for US sounds to be something like "convenient alternative" to me as according to wikipedia it's not that much. |
| 16:37:53 | bluebrother | but I guess this is the way most tuner vendors deal with that issue. |
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| 16:51:38 | ftugrul | hello! |
| 16:54:05 | bluebrother | hi |
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| 17:37:39 | markun | bluebrother: what is the frequency of "US Weather"? |
| 17:38:39 | bluebrother | 162.4 to 162.55 MHz |
| 17:38:53 | markun | too bad |
| 17:38:54 | bluebrother | but the TEA does tune up to only 160 MHz. |
| 17:39:34 | bluebrother | I think we should add only those region values that are "standard", i.e. all usual fm recievers can tune into. |
| 17:39:45 | markun | In the forum you wrote the TEA can only go up to 108.. |
| 17:39:48 | bluebrother | the samsung tuner can tune as low as about 10 MHz. |
| 17:40:07 | bluebrother | erm, you're right. |
| 17:40:26 | bluebrother | replace my last sentence about the upper frequency of the TEA |
| 17:40:27 | markun | in patch 5448 he claims up to 134MHz |
| 17:41:28 | markun | wow, and as low as 1MHz! |
| 17:41:55 | bluebrother | really? |
| 17:42:02 | bluebrother | hmm, I got my information from the data sheet. |
| 17:44:36 | markun | I guess the datasheet is not very accurate then |
| 17:44:44 | bluebrother | I'm curious if he can actually receive something with that frequencies −− of course you can write that frequencies to the chip |
| 17:45:00 | bluebrother | but that doesn't mean it actually does something ;-) |
| 17:45:27 | bluebrother | someone would have to try −− but I don't know how I should do this |
| 17:45:46 | bluebrother | (and I'm not interested in receiving something different than fm radio) |
| 17:45:52 | markun | I read somewhere that he could listen to traffic control (> 108MHz) but I can't find that info anymore |
| 17:46:35 | XavierGr | I jusr discovered the magic of drawing ideas on paper before programming them :P |
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| 17:50:34 | bluebrother | looks like he is changing the divider for getting into other frequency ranges. |
| 17:51:12 | bluebrother | oops, looked at the wrong data byte. |
| 17:52:42 | bluebrother | he added displaying the signal strenght ... but not translateable and only in german. |
| 17:54:05 | markun | not translatable? |
| 17:57:48 | bluebrother | no, he hardcoded the text in some snprintf call |
| 17:58:06 | markun | ah, well, not difficult to fix that |
| 17:58:11 | dionoea | are there sepcial rules (like a limited amount of screenshots) for plugins in the manual ? |
| 17:58:17 | bluebrother | could be changed of course. But that would also require to implement the functionality ;-) |
| 17:58:26 | bluebrother | dionoea, no |
| 17:58:36 | dionoea | k, thanks |
| 17:59:02 | bluebrother | but you should of course follow the LatexGuidelines if you're TeX-ing it ;-) |
| 17:59:33 | dionoea | of course :) |
| 17:59:52 | bluebrother | I don't think we should support tuning the radio to non-radio frequencies |
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| 18:01:40 | markun | bluebrother: are you planning to add a 'region selection |
| 18:02:05 | markun | which sets the deemphasis en range? |
| 18:03:35 | bluebrother | markun, yes. Like Linus said in the comments of FS #5929; I agree this would be the best way. |
| 18:04:04 | dionoea | can't you auto probe that ? |
| 18:04:16 | bluebrother | giving the user the possibility to set all parameters separately would only cause additional confusion. Setting to "Europe" should be clear to anyone located in Europe. |
| 18:04:29 | bluebrother | how should I autoprobe that? |
| 18:04:37 | dionoea | i don't have a clue :) |
| 18:04:57 | dionoea | some difference in the signal |
| 18:05:02 | bluebrother | I don't believe there is something we could use for autoprobing the setting. |
| 18:05:21 | bluebrother | so I guess it's not possible. If someone has a breaking idea maybe ;-) |
| 18:05:43 | * | dionoea wonders how sony's radios do ... i'll check if there's a "region" switch |
| 18:05:46 | dionoea | brb |
| 18:05:47 | bluebrother | but the tuner can only tell if he found a signal. Could be anything |
| 18:06:14 | bluebrother | I guess they are already localised on shipping. |
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| 18:09:24 | dionoea | bluebrother: it's this radio (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=ICFSW7600GR&Dept=audio&CategoryName=pa_Radio_WorldBandRadio) ... i don't think that they have some hardcoded "world location" setting |
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| 18:11:29 | bluebrother | Frequency Range: FM: 87.6-108MHz −− I guess they are simply using europe's setting for the deemphasis. Most users won't notice the difference when in US. |
| 18:11:58 | bluebrother | additionally, it can't tune into japans frequencies. |
| 18:12:16 | dionoea | hum ... ok :) |
| 18:13:56 | dionoea | is it deemphasis or preemphasis ? |
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| 18:21:33 | bluebrother | on the tuner's side it's deemphasis |
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| 18:42:18 | markun | bluebrother: googeling for "NuJew" gives me a lot of Thai hits so perhaps it's Thailand with the 0.25MHz stepsize |
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| 18:45:45 | markun | bluebrother: also Laos has 0.25MHz steps http://www.dxing.info/articles/laos.dx |
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| 19:01:58 | bluebrother | hmm, Laos could be covered with the Europe setting. |
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| 19:02:22 | bluebrother | seems to have the same frequency limits and I assume the deemphasis to be 50 |
| 19:03:52 | bluebrother | too bad I can't find a worldwide reference. Would be really helpful |
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| 19:15:58 | markun | yes, I've been searching for that as well |
| 19:16:43 | bluebrother | I think we should simply go with some known regions like us and europe and wait for the users to complain ;-) |
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| 19:21:41 | preglow | agreed |
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| 19:22:17 | wo | HI |
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| 19:23:06 | wo | are there any rockbox ports for the elio tpj 1022 ? |
| 19:24:22 | markun | wo: no |
| 19:24:33 | wo | :( |
| 19:24:37 | wo | thx |
| 19:24:38 | barrywardell | i think linuxstb recently got one of those |
| 19:24:50 | barrywardell | he made a start |
| 19:24:50 | markun | elio tatung, is it the same? |
| 19:24:59 | wo | linuxstb ? |
| 19:25:10 | barrywardell | yes, i think they have various names |
| 19:25:14 | wo | yes |
| 19:25:40 | markun | wo: there could be a port in the future then |
| 19:25:47 | wo | cool |
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| 19:27:10 | barrywardell | wo: it's a portalplayer 5020 based device |
| 19:27:16 | bluebrother | hmm ... does someone know if the low volume issue appears only in some regions? |
| 19:27:22 | barrywardell | similar in ways to the h10 and ipods |
| 19:27:30 | dionoea | bluebrother: the linux kernel only mentions 0 / 50 / 75 for deemphasis |
| 19:27:44 | wo | ok |
| 19:28:04 | linuxstb_ | wo: Yes, I've got a TPJ-1022 and have made a tiny bit of progress with porting Rockbox. Main hurdle now is reverse-engineering the original firmware in order to write an LCD driver. |
| 19:28:26 | wo | cool |
| 19:28:33 | bluebrother | dionoea, that's correct −− fm radio uses 50 or 75. Other transmission use different (read about J.17 earlier) or none. |
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| 19:29:18 | wo | are you able to install rockbox on the tpj ? |
| 19:29:44 | dionoea | he doesn't have a LCD driver ... so that wouldn't be very likely i guess :) |
| 19:30:25 | linuxstb_ | wo: I'm still at the stage of running test programs. But once the LCD is working, I should be able to get Rockbox booting. |
| 19:31:36 | wo | what tests do you make ? |
| 19:32:29 | wo | and which programing language do you use to write programs for the elio ? |
| 19:33:07 | linuxstb_ | The ATA driver is working, so I can write files to disk. I've used that to work out how to detect some of the buttons, and failed attempts to make the LCD do something. |
| 19:33:12 | linuxstb_ | It's C. |
| 19:34:00 | wo | c ? |
| 19:34:09 | wo | not assembler ? |
| 19:34:22 | wo | cool |
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| 19:35:00 | linuxstb_ | There's some assembler needed, but that's mostly already written for the ipod ports already, so it can be used for the Elio (same CPU). |
| 19:37:04 | wo | cool and another question maybe you use the new firmware from tatung are you able to play any videos ? |
| 19:38:29 | linuxstb_ | No, I've never tried the Tatung firmware. I bought it just to port Rockbox. |
| 19:38:41 | wo | wow ? |
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| 19:38:50 | wo | wow ! |
| 19:38:54 | linuxstb_ | As a Linux user, I don;t think Tatung even allow me to use it. |
| 19:39:08 | wo | haha |
| 19:39:16 | wo | i use linux too ! |
| 19:39:25 | wo | :) |
| 19:39:51 | linuxstb_ | Is there a way to transfer music/videos from Linux to it? |
| 19:40:10 | wo | yes |
| 19:40:31 | wo | only mount it as a fat32 hdd |
| 19:40:51 | wo | and copy the music you want to it |
| 19:41:10 | linuxstb_ | I thought there was a database that needed updating? |
| 19:42:14 | wo | yes but ones you got one file on the elio you can copy the files to the directory |
| 19:43:03 | wo | that is created by the software |
| 19:43:24 | linuxstb_ | So I have to use the Tatung software at least once? |
| 19:43:31 | wo | yes |
| 19:43:57 | wo | maybe there is another way to do it |
| 19:44:49 | wo | but i think this is the easiest |
| 19:45:13 | linuxstb_ | Oh well, it's not important. I have other DAPs with Rockbox that I can use. |
| 19:45:17 | wo | if you got an windows system running |
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| 19:46:55 | linuxstb_ | I do, but I'ld rather not install unnecessary software on it. I don't have any MP3 or WMA music anyway... |
| 19:47:29 | wo | no mp3 ? |
| 19:47:47 | wo | why do you need mp3 player ? |
| 19:48:18 | wo | if you don't have any mp3 music ? |
| 19:48:22 | linuxstb_ | Everything I have is FLAC (my own CDs) and MP2 (digital radio recordings). |
| 19:48:39 | wo | ok |
| 19:50:30 | wo | can i maybe help you with the port ? |
| 19:51:58 | linuxstb_ | Do you know C or ARM assembler? |
| 19:52:09 | wo | i know C |
| 19:53:23 | wo | but i think at this stage of development this is nt very usefull |
| 19:53:40 | wo | but i think at this stage of development this is not very usefull |
| 19:53:45 | linuxstb_ | Then I'm sure you can help. First thing would be to setup a Rockbox build environment (basically just gcc for ARM), download the Rockbox source (from CVS is recommended), and compile it. |
| 19:54:39 | wo | ok |
| 19:55:00 | wo | gcc for ARM ? |
| 19:55:51 | linuxstb_ | A useful thing at this stage would be to create a "UI simulator" for the Elio. This is built using the normal Rockbox source code, so getting the UI sim working would make it easier to get Rockbox itself working once all the low-level drivers are written. |
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| 19:56:35 | linuxstb_ | wo: Yes, gcc can create code for many different CPUs, including ARM. You just specify the target architecture when compiling gcc. |
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| 19:57:03 | linuxstb_ | If you get the Rockbox source code, there is a script (tools/rockboxdev.sh) which will setup the cross-compiler for you. |
| 19:57:05 | wo | ok i was reading the man |
| 19:57:20 | bluebrother | wo, there is a script that can set up the build environment for you. Look for tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 19:57:32 | linuxstb_ | There's lots of developer documentation on the website as well. |
| 19:57:45 | wo | ok |
| 19:58:32 | wo | is there a user interface emulator for the elio or for rockbox ? |
| 19:58:46 | wo | or simulator ? |
| 19:59:21 | linuxstb_ | There are simulators for all targets Rockbox runs on - but not the Elio yet. |
| 19:59:24 | BigMac | for what model? |
| 19:59:25 | wo | because how do i test the UI ? |
| 19:59:34 | BigMac | ah |
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| 20:00:17 | linuxstb_ | wo: Get the Rockbox source, and compile one of the simulators for an existing target - it should become clearer then. |
| 20:00:51 | wo | yes i thing it would be better ;) |
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| 20:11:10 | wo | linuxstb_ how often are you in the irc ? |
| 20:12:19 | linuxstb_ | Most days. |
| 20:12:49 | wo | do you got IM adress ? |
| 20:13:15 | linuxstb_ | No, I don't use IM. |
| 20:13:20 | wo | ok |
| 20:14:15 | wo | i have to go offline |
| 20:14:31 | wo | :( |
| 20:15:17 | wo | linuxstb_ see you next time :) |
| 20:16:09 | linuxstb_ | OK, see you later. |
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| 20:59:58 | `burns | hello everyone |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:14 | `burns | I have a question |
| 21:00:31 | Soap | ask |
| 21:00:47 | `burns | what player does rockbox work best on? i.e. supports the most music formats, etc. |
| 21:01:05 | `burns | cause i'm looking to buy one |
| 21:01:16 | `burns | hopefully under $200 |
| 21:01:36 | Soap | how much storage do you want? |
| 21:01:44 | Soap | Do you want a colour screen? |
| 21:01:49 | `burns | at least 5 gigs |
| 21:02:03 | Soap | that rules out most anything but used. |
| 21:02:18 | `burns | I don't want to play video, so a color screen doesn't really matter |
| 21:02:33 | Soap | I, personally, don't have an iRiver H340, but my buddy does, and he loves it. |
| 21:03:19 | belze | `burns: you can get the h120 from iriver below $200 |
| 21:03:19 | belze | it has no color-screen, but works as good as the h3xx series with rockbox |
| 21:03:37 | Soap | the H140 is B/W, whereas the 340 is colour |
| 21:03:46 | Soap | you could always go 120 / 320 |
| 21:03:51 | Soap | smaller hard drives. |
| 21:04:05 | belze | even the h110 would be sufficient |
| 21:04:09 | `burns | I wouldn't mind a refurbished one, how much would the 320/340 be? |
| 21:04:20 | belze | above $200 |
| 21:04:27 | Soap | belze beat me to the punch. It took me a minute to realize the 340/140 is bigger than you said you wanted. |
| 21:04:36 | `burns | what about the 120? |
| 21:05:04 | belze | a friend of mine got a new one for about 170 euros |
| 21:05:10 | belze | on ebay |
| 21:05:16 | `burns | thats not too bad |
| 21:05:26 | belze | indeed |
| 21:05:51 | `burns | so definitely the iriver series, then? |
| 21:06:03 | belze | i would alway go for iriver :) |
| 21:06:17 | `burns | versus, say, a 20gig iPod? |
| 21:06:19 | belze | the h3xx and h1xx series have the best sound quality i heared so far |
| 21:06:27 | belze | even though the noise floor is a little too high |
| 21:06:48 | belze | i was very disappointed of the sound quality on the ipods |
| 21:07:19 | `burns | okay, I'll check out the iriver h1xx series then |
| 21:07:22 | `burns | thanks |
| 21:07:48 | Soap | the only 20gig ipods are used, and rockbox on the 3rd generation is still very crude, and the 4th seems to have crashing problems at this time. |
| 21:08:26 | `burns | that's bad, then |
| 21:08:35 | Soap | I've ABXd my ipod 5g vs my friend's H340, and can't tell a difference with low-impedance phones. |
| 21:08:35 | `burns | I think I'll go with the iriver |
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| 21:09:42 | Soap | But rockbox is constantly improving, there is no reason to believe the 3rd/4th generation ipod developement won't come through. |
| 21:10:33 | `burns | It seems like all the 4g ipods on Ebay are either really beat up or really expensive... |
| 21:11:13 | preglow | barrywardell: doesn't cpu freq switching work on h10 yet? |
| 21:11:45 | barrywardell | preglow: it works, but was causing a lot of freezes so I disabled it temporarily |
| 21:12:02 | barrywardell | until I got more important things like the lcd and buttons fixed |
| 21:12:13 | barrywardell | i'm starting to look at it now though |
| 21:14:49 | Soap | `burns - might be worth waiting until September 13th if you are entertaining thoughts of an ipod at all. |
| 21:15:07 | Soap | If new models are released there might be a flurry of sales on older ones. |
| 21:15:53 | `burns | yeah, that's right...Sep. 13 happens to be my birthday. :) |
| 21:16:08 | Soap | may even be enough of an impact to pressure all used prices down. |
| 21:16:34 | `burns | but the ipod rockbox port is pretty stable? |
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| 21:18:32 | preglow | linuxstb_: there you go |
| 21:18:35 | preglow | linuxstb_: marsdaddy replied |
| 21:19:56 | linuxstb_ | preglow: That's good news. |
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| 21:39:00 | `burns | can the iRiver h140 charge from USB? |
| 21:39:42 | linuxstb_ | no |
| 21:43:16 | `burns | thanks |
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| 21:47:03 | leftright | I just downloaded/Installed the latest bledding edge for H100's and get a checksum error upon rolo |
| 21:48:23 | linuxstb_ | I think that means either the rockbox.iriver is corrupt, or you downloaded the wrong version. |
| 21:48:46 | linuxstb_ | There are two h1x0 versions of Rockbox. |
| 21:48:47 | leftright | there IS only one version to download for H1xx series, thats new |
| 21:49:05 | leftright | check the download daily download page |
| 21:49:50 | linuxstb_ | No, there have always been two - one for the h110/h115 (16MB RAM) and one for the h120/h140 (32MB RAM). |
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| 21:50:15 | leftright | yes I know, but have a look at the bleeding edge download page |
| 21:50:51 | leftright | soory I mean the bleeding edge page not the daily page |
| 21:51:10 | linuxstb_ | Yes, there's only one there... Not sure what's going on. |
| 21:51:16 | * | linuxstb_ pings Bagder |
| 21:51:35 | linuxstb_ | Seems a lot of builds are missing. |
| 21:52:10 | leftright | yep |
| 21:52:20 | linuxstb_ | Ah, there are some build errors (red squares in the top line)... |
| 21:52:37 | linuxstb_ | So some bleeding edge builds are missing at the moment for that reason. |
| 21:52:48 | leftright | ok thanks |
| 21:53:40 | | Part leftright |
| 21:54:17 | linuxstb_ | It seems that one of the build servers has run out of disk space... |
| 21:55:07 | * | linuxstb_ pings the owner of www.weirdo.org.uk |
| 21:56:17 | * | barrywardell gets a new personal high score |
| 21:56:23 | linuxstb_ | ... and the owner of fnarfbargle.com who doesn't have sh-elf-gcc installed. |
| 21:57:14 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: You can't claim the credit for it though - unless either of those build servers are yours. |
| 21:57:44 | barrywardell | damn |
| 21:58:19 | linuxstb_ | You need a good four-digit score anyway to challenge preglow's record. |
| 21:58:53 | preglow | linuxstb_: does only bagder have access to the build serverS? |
| 21:59:09 | preglow | linuxstb_: in a related note, can you remember my record? :> |
| 21:59:21 | linuxstb_ | I assume LinusN and Zagor have, and maybe t0mas... |
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| 21:59:41 | linuxstb_ | And no I can't remember your record, but I have a feeling it was around 8000 |
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| 22:00:04 | t0mas | hm? what? |
| 22:00:06 | barrywardell | wow, I'll never manage 8000 |
| 22:00:17 | linuxstb_ | t0mas: Do you have access to the build server |
| 22:00:19 | linuxstb_ | ? |
| 22:00:31 | t0mas | ehm... |
| 22:00:34 | t0mas | I think I do |
| 22:00:45 | t0mas | what's wrong? |
| 22:00:51 | linuxstb_ | There are two servers playing up that should probably be removed. |
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| 22:00:52 | Bagder | I'm here now |
| 22:00:59 | Bagder | me fix |
| 22:01:31 | t0mas | ok |
| 22:01:39 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Can you manually start another bleeding edge build, or do you prefer to wait? |
| 22:01:48 | Bagder | I can restart on demand |
| 22:05:21 | preglow | barrywardell: start feeding coldfire assembler to all the simulators and you might beat me, there are more sims these days |
| 22:08:15 | * | barrywardell is tempted to try it just to see what happens |
| 22:09:18 | * | Bagder jumps, marsdaddy is alive |
| 22:09:28 | dan_a_away | Apologies for the problems on www.weirdo.org.uk - I'll get it fixed tomorrow daytime |
| 22:10:01 | Bagder | great, just tell me and I'll re-add your server |
| 22:10:55 | Bagder | I mailed perplexity about his server (fnarfbargle.com) |
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| 22:16:49 | Bagder | and about the legal thing, it is gonna take a while longer until disclosed |
| 22:16:53 | Angry | THX Barry ^^ Great work again ^^ |
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| 22:22:47 | preglow | Bagder: anything even remotely realistically serious? |
| 22:22:59 | Bagder | yes |
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| 22:23:13 | preglow | and it's a plugin thing? |
| 22:23:29 | Bagder | and the not revealing this is actually as advised by a legal adviser |
| 22:23:47 | Bagder | preglow: yes |
| 22:23:51 | preglow | don't they always say that? :> |
| 22:24:09 | Bagder | well, this one can back it up with an explanation |
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| 22:24:23 | preglow | oh, well |
| 22:24:27 | reverendnathan | Hey, so does Rockbox have the ability to queue tracks? |
| 22:24:29 | Bagder | and lawyers tend to know more law than I do ;-) |
| 22:24:31 | reverendnathan | Or have a queue manager? |
| 22:24:49 | preglow | we have full playlist functionality |
| 22:24:58 | preglow | you can queue, insert, remove and shuffle to your heart's content |
| 22:25:01 | reverendnathan | Also, are their DAPs that can queue tracks on their own firmware? |
| 22:25:09 | reverendnathan | Awesome! |
| 22:25:22 | Bagder | reverendnathan: there are such OFs, but OF always suck anyway |
| 22:25:58 | ftugrul | i have a question about rockbox please: |
| 22:26:28 | ftugrul | how can i resume from same "file view" when i restart my player? |
| 22:26:43 | ftugrul | i mean, same folder... |
| 22:26:58 | Bagder | you can't |
| 22:27:49 | ftugrul | hmm, thanks |
| 22:28:04 | ftugrul | i've been trying to set it for last few days |
| 22:28:26 | ftugrul | so, what does "bookmarks" for? |
| 22:28:43 | Bagder | they are bookmarks in songs/tracks |
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| 22:30:02 | Soap | the legal secrets are driving Soap crazy. He is such a kid when it comes to secrets and waiting. |
| 22:30:34 | Bagder | I heard there's also a "legal thing" on a german Rockbox site |
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| 22:31:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Rockbox-lounge thing? |
| 22:31:39 | Bagder | yes |
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| 22:35:22 | Soap | ahhrrgghh, the nods and winks are driving me crazy! |
| 22:36:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't actually know any more than you do. |
| 22:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I found reference to that one in the logs. |
| 22:37:49 | Bagder | I'd rather not say anything more about that either since I don't know how that would affect their case |
| 22:39:11 | * | Soap burns a copy of current CVS to DVD for hoarding. |
| 22:40:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least we don't have the word "pod" as part of the names of any of our stuff. |
| 22:41:30 | preglow | god knows |
| 22:41:38 | preglow | i'll survive the non-disclosure, heh |
| 22:42:11 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:42:18 | * | Bagder gets to play mr secret |
| 22:42:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | heh |
| 22:43:05 | Bagder | but still, Zagor is the one who handles the matter |
| 22:43:26 | Bagder | he's the scapegoat |
| 22:43:35 | Bagder | we never did anything, he did! |
| 22:44:32 | Soap | is there an ETA on full disclosure? |
| 22:44:40 | Soap | sorry, I'll shut up. |
| 22:44:53 | Bagder | not really, but I'd guess it'll take another week at least |
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| 22:45:19 | Bagder | there are lawyers and legal people involved for talks and advice etc |
| 22:45:40 | Bagder | I mean, not big-time but friends and people we know that know these things |
| 22:46:12 | Bagder | as it involves people outside of Sweden too |
| 22:51:31 | preglow | oh, come on |
| 22:51:40 | preglow | dip into the rockbox fund and hire some big-shot lawyer |
| 22:51:45 | preglow | for a couple of hours |
| 22:52:19 | Soap | Chewbacca is a Wookie. |
| 22:52:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
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| 23:04:47 | Arathis | barrywardell: saw the great update on the H10! just some questioning: does "support for enable/disable" mean LCD disables with shutting backlight of or that I can adjust it to be disabled? and what does "Fix CPU frequency for both models" give me? |
| 23:05:40 | barrywardell | the lcd disables when the backlight shuts off. hopefully that will save some battery |
| 23:06:14 | barrywardell | there's also a lcd sleep option which you can set to totally power the lcd off. that could save even more battery |
| 23:06:35 | barrywardell | i have it working but don't have it working to get the lcd to turn back on so it's not much use just yet |
| 23:07:07 | barrywardell | the cpu frequency thing isn't really much of a big deal. i think it's mostly for display purposes |
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| 23:16:42 | Arathis | thanks barrywardell |
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| 23:18:48 | barrywardell | you're welcome. there's another update coming soon too. new keymaps :) |
| 23:19:13 | Arathis | wee |
| 23:20:10 | Arathis | barrywardell: btw: what's the problem with rockboy on the H10? Or why isn't it included in the bleeding edge builds? |
| 23:20:27 | Bagder | Arathis: because it isn't fixed for the h10 lcd |
| 23:20:30 | barrywardell | i don't know. I haven't even tried it yet |
| 23:20:33 | Bagder | I believe this has been mentioned many times |
| 23:21:08 | Bagder | and you should see that it isn't for the x5 either |
| 23:21:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or the iPod Nano |
| 23:21:18 | Bagder | for the same reason |
| 23:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, *any* color screen that's smaller than the Gameboy's resolution |
| 23:21:51 | Arathis | Bagder: ah, that explains why I was wondering. I thought it *was* for the X5 |
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| 23:23:41 | Arathis | barrywardell: what do you mean by "soon"? next minutes or days or weeks.. |
| 23:23:56 | barrywardell | i'm working on it now |
| 23:24:05 | barrywardell | just ironing out the bugs |
| 23:24:14 | barrywardell | maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow |
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| 23:24:45 | Arathis | wow. great. than I'll wait till than to update again :) |
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| 23:26:38 | RayDee | hi |
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| 23:37:33 | markun | hi RayDee |
| 23:37:41 | RayDee | hi markiun |
| 23:37:45 | RayDee | sorry, markun |
| 23:38:02 | RayDee | :) it's quite late here |
| 23:38:16 | markun | here too |
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| 23:38:41 | RayDee | i just stumbled over rockbox... i have some 3rd party portalplayer chipset noname 20GB HDD thing |
| 23:38:52 | * | Bagder awakes |
| 23:39:22 | RayDee | and rockbox looks pretty promising |
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| 23:39:36 | RayDee | but it seems no one has yet tried any efforts on it |
| 23:39:39 | markun | RayDee: is there some info online? |
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| 23:39:50 | karim | hi |
| 23:39:54 | Bagder | RayDee: you have a BL* or an mi4 for it at least? |
| 23:40:04 | RayDee | it does .mi4 upgrades, so yes |
| 23:40:17 | Bagder | RayDee: tried mi4code on that? |
| 23:40:21 | RayDee | foreign .mi4s don't work though |
| 23:40:29 | RayDee | badger: it's already decoded it seems |
| 23:40:39 | linuxstb | What player is it? |
| 23:40:39 | Bagder | already decoded? |
| 23:40:44 | RayDee | at least so it says here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 23:40:57 | RayDee | (decoding was successful) |
| 23:40:59 | Bagder | that means mi4code can decode it |
| 23:41:16 | Bagder | which means you can encode your own |
| 23:41:31 | RayDee | so, i suppose this is a postive thing :) |
| 23:41:47 | Bagder | yes, that takes you to step 2 at once |
| 23:42:03 | RayDee | nice |
| 23:42:04 | Bagder | 2 - build a rockbox bootloader that attempts to write a file using ATA |
| 23:42:07 | * | barrywardell awakes too |
| 23:42:10 | linuxstb | RayDee: Rockbox CVS includes a test app (disguised as a bootloader) for the Elio TPJ-1022 which will probably run on your player. |
| 23:42:41 | RayDee | my player falls into this series: Medion MD 95x00 |
| 23:42:56 | markun | the aldipod? |
| 23:43:10 | RayDee | yep |
| 23:43:30 | RayDee | i suppose i need linux for all this ? |
| 23:43:45 | Bagder | you can do it in cygwin too |
| 23:43:53 | RayDee | true that |
| 23:43:54 | Bagder | but it'll be slower |
| 23:44:12 | RayDee | or i could build it at work |
| 23:44:32 | RayDee | linuxstb: can you point me to some link ? |
| 23:44:38 | Bagder | or you download the rockbox vwware image |
| 23:44:43 | Bagder | and vmware player |
| 23:45:30 | Bagder | RayDee: that bootloader is not available as download, only as build-your-own from source |
| 23:45:43 | RayDee | oh, ic |
| 23:46:01 | Bagder | which you want anyway if you're gonna go one on one of the player |
| 23:46:04 | RayDee | so, basically i build the bootloader then generate the .mi4 file for my specific player ? |
| 23:46:10 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:46:21 | RayDee | then install the .rockbox "distro" on the hdd? |
| 23:46:26 | linuxstb | The build process spits out a .mi4 file. |
| 23:46:33 | Bagder | RayDee: hold on ;-) |
| 23:46:45 | linuxstb | You then copy that .mi4 to the player. There's no .rockbox yet... |
| 23:46:47 | Bagder | you need to do some homework before Rockbox works |
| 23:47:11 | RayDee | so i need to build the whole thing |
| 23:47:20 | Bagder | first try the bootloader |
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| 23:47:28 | Bagder | you need to figure out a few things first |
| 23:47:36 | RayDee | ic |
| 23:47:37 | Bagder | before you even try to build rockbox |
| 23:47:40 | linuxstb | What I'm talking about building is just a simple test-app you can use as a basis to write the necessary drivers to make Rockbox work. |
| 23:48:04 | RayDee | k, i'm going the cygwin way then i suppose |
| 23:48:43 | linuxstb | Also, you should physically disassemble your player and try to identify the components. |
| 23:49:00 | RayDee | ew |
| 23:49:02 | RayDee | eeew |
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| 23:49:20 | RayDee | it's all glued with no visible screws |
| 23:49:23 | Bagder | so convince a friend with the same player to do it! ;) |
| 23:49:33 | Bagder | really, you need to |
| 23:49:34 | RayDee | hehe |
| 23:49:48 | RayDee | i do now that it shares most of it's components with a 3G ipod |
| 23:51:08 | markun | RayDee: how did you find that out? |
| 23:51:19 | Bagder | a very good question |
| 23:51:30 | RayDee | hmm, i read it elsewhere months ago |
| 23:51:54 | RayDee | to be true, i cannot state how accurate that nfo was |
| 23:52:06 | RayDee | it's a portalplayer system for sure |
| 23:52:28 | markun | yes |
| 23:52:56 | linuxstb | It probably just clips together, rather than being glued. My Elio is like that. It just takes a bit of squeezing... |
| 23:53:42 | RayDee | so there is no chance other than physically taking it apart? |
| 23:53:57 | Bagder | there is, but it'll be more of other work |
| 23:54:02 | RayDee | like some enumeration bootloader or something ? |
| 23:54:03 | Bagder | like reading disassembly |
| 23:54:06 | RayDee | eew |
| 23:54:18 | Bagder | or just poking around blindly |
| 23:54:25 | Bagder | eternally |
| 23:54:33 | RayDee | lol |
| 23:55:36 | RayDee | so, rockbox is a kinda elite thing, the +20 ice & +20 acid damage waraxe ? |
| 23:56:19 | Bagder | vErY el173, yes |
| 23:56:31 | RayDee | linuxstb: the whole thin is pretty rigid, no rattles or skreaks when bent or squeezed |
| 23:56:35 | RayDee | l337 |
| 23:57:08 | Bagder | Rockbox is sort of an operating system and application suite for DAPs |
| 23:57:24 | RayDee | is there no way to read it off the orignial mi4 (or was that what you meant wirh reading disassembly?) |
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| 23:57:33 | RayDee | Bagder: yea, i got that |
| 23:57:38 | Bagder | read what off? |
| 23:57:52 | Bagder | did you try to disassemble it? |
| 23:57:59 | Bagder | there's quite a large amount of code in there |
| 23:58:00 | RayDee | well, the stuff needed to build the appropriate rockbox |
| 23:58:19 | Bagder | yes, all the info neded is in there |
| 23:58:35 | Bagder | so you can read it off the mi4 |
| 23:58:37 | RayDee | no, i did not... if i would already have, i wouldn't be here and ask stupid n00b questions |
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