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#rockbox log for 2006-09-10

00:00:28Bagderbut hopefully you're right and it is next to identical to the 3g ipod
00:00:48RayDeei suppose this wouldn'T help me much either
00:01:08RayDeeas long as i don't have any exact information
00:01:46Bagderwell, you can try things the 3g way and find out
00:02:20RayDeesounds fair enough
00:02:38RayDeeas lon as i don't mess with the flash i should not be able to brick it
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00:05:00webguest52olah everyone!
00:09:29ArathisRayDee: did you just try searching the net for information about your players hardware? perhaps someone else already took it apart.
00:09:52webguest52help: how do I ask nickserv to switch to my nickname?!
00:10:16linuxstb /nick newnick
00:10:25RayDeeArathis: didn't try yet... but the searches i did always shoed up ebay, dooyoo or other crap
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00:10:41RayDeemaybe i just didn't have the right search terms
00:11:45markunRayDee: I also didn't find anything so far
00:13:22lamedthere's a new cgiirc over
00:13:35RayDeeanyone knows what this is ? EasyH10 [Win32 GUI] for MDJUKE ?
00:13:58RayDee(mdjuke is a synonym for my player)
00:13:59linuxstbRayDee: One thing is different to the 3g ipod - your player has a PP502x, not the 3g's PP5002.
00:14:01barrywardellit just builds the database
00:14:08crashdit's an app that lets you generate the h10 database without the awful iriver software
00:14:15RayDeeoh, ic
00:14:17barrywardellso you can search by album, artist,etc
00:14:32crashdvery handy software if you're using iriver firmware
00:14:36crashdas their software is a shambling mess
00:14:51barrywardellit works with non iriver too
00:15:15crashdwell, yeh, but it's kinda silly using it with non iriver ;)
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00:15:44RayDeei suppose it works for all players using the plp format for playlists
00:16:01lamedI'd like to know what's the h10 status, the IriverH10Port Current Status phrase is far from being helpful. other then still not having radio or recorder, is it working nicely? or bugs are still everywhere? (i'm asking so I could tell my friends whether they can move or not to RB)
00:16:30barrywardellit can probably work with all players that use mi4 firmwares
00:17:01barrywardelllamed: it's hard keeping that page updated, things change so ofteen
00:17:16Bagderlamed: it runs pretty good, your friends can easily just try it and revert if they don't think its any fun
00:17:30lamedhi barry, never had the time to say thanks for all of your hard work :)
00:17:36barrywardellit works well for me. i think it's approaching the level of the ipods, but with quite a few more bugs
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00:18:54Arathislamed: a problem you might consider is that battery lifetime isn't that high as with the iriver firmware atm
00:19:13Arathisor did you do a wonder barrywardell since yesterday? ;)
00:19:53barrywardelli haven't actually ever tested the battery life and haven't heard any reports either. i just assume it will be worse
00:19:57lamedother then the not-implemented functions, what bugs should I expect? (I switched to RB on my h120 when entering the playlist screen while playing music got the player to freeze... and still I was thrilled :) but it's not any good for my friends then )
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00:20:49RayDeemarkun: in case you don't know this yet... there is a updated firmware for the 420 jukebox which runs way better than the original ton my 220
00:20:51barrywardellplayback skips if you have a wps with peakmeters
00:21:45RayDeemarkun: YMMV
00:21:46barrywardellsome of the plugins haven't been resized for the screen on the 5/6GB models
00:21:47lamedreffering to battery life: is there a usb2go chip like there is in the h300? or that the problem accures because of high cpu usage
00:22:02Arathis..or scroll very fast through the files or have a not so well set EQ running or what else could use much CPU power
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00:22:13barrywardelllamed: high cpu usage. we currently run the cpu at it's maximum speed all the time
00:22:18barrywardellbut that will change soon
00:23:16Arathislamed: but a good question I wanted to ask many times: is usb-to-go hardware set or a software thing that could be implemented?
00:23:39lamedit's hardware...
00:24:10barrywardellaac skips, again probably because of cpu usage
00:24:11lamedand you can't really do anything with the usb2 card that most player use.
00:24:24lamedonly computer nerds play aac :DDD
00:25:01Arathislamed: speaking of USB: USB support isn't there yet, but using the UMS trick without resetting the player (though RB shuts it down completly) works as known for the iriver firmware. if your friend's got a UMS player that doesn't really mater at all I think ;)
00:25:23Arathistoo bad (usb2go)
00:26:18lamedbarrywardell: I assume that a player that had to use that iriver's program could be used as a ums device drive, correct?
00:27:06lamedah... whoops, slow reader
00:27:07barrywardellthey can all be used as a ums device, but some need a 'trick' to put them into ums mode
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00:28:41lamedarathis: I didn't get it, what's the ums trick?
00:30:54barrywardelllamed: hold 'O' while the H10 starts up from a powered off state
00:31:20barrywardellunfortunately, the iriver fw never powers off fully, but goes into standby instead
00:31:47barrywardellso you have to force it to power off fully either by removing the battery or pushing the reset button with a pin
00:32:51lamedso, doesn't RB fw powers off fully?
00:33:43lamedthen I assume you ment the iriver hardware never powers off fully?
00:33:48Arathisnot when you shut it down. after some hours it does, but till than it's just in standby so it can easily and quick restart
00:34:10barrywardellRockbox does power off fully, yes
00:34:33barrywardellso you don't need to worry about carrying a pin around with you :)
00:34:37Arathisoh, sry. misreading
00:35:16lamedcan you shut it down from RB and then restart it with the O button - > not reseting or removing the battery?
00:35:46lamed(I still carry a pin with my h120, just used it!)
00:35:56Arathiswhen you shut down RB you just need to press Power an 'O' till it says "emergency connect"
00:36:15barrywardelllamed: yes
00:36:25Arathisand that while connected to the pc of course
00:36:31lamedok I got you :)
00:37:19lamedis anyone working on the usb driver?
00:37:47barrywardellnot yet
00:38:09barrywardellthe same usb driver should work for the ipods and for the h10
00:38:15Arathislamed: interested in doing it ;)
00:38:28barrywardellso if someone is working on one for the ipod, we will benefit
00:38:38barrywardellor vice versa
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00:39:50lamedarathis: I wish I could program hardware matters
00:41:15*lamed can't get his player recognized :/
00:41:22Arathislamed: I wish I could program at all. (html and qbasic don't count ;))
00:41:48lamedif you're good in qbasic you can easily learn C
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00:43:06lamedarathis: for how long were you into RB?
00:43:12maddog011barrywardell, any new progress on the h10 firmware?
00:44:02barrywardellmaddog011: all the time. check the cvs logs...
00:44:14maddog011can u link me plz
00:44:31Arathislamed: I only had some lessons in basic QB some years ago. functions and things like that were the best we did. but I don't have the time and will to learn C atm.
00:44:33lamedlamed's homepaged:
00:44:47lamed^ that's for you maddog011
00:44:54maddog011thanx lamed :D
00:45:17Arathislamed: I'm just an interested user who'd likes to help :)
00:46:19lamedtell me about it, it was about a year and a half when I started to have a little spare time to learn C, it was about two years until my first patch was ready :)
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00:46:52lamedno, sorry, I calculated from the day of purchasing the player
00:47:06RayDeehmm, can anyone help me with setting up cygwin for cross compile for arm-elf ?
00:47:36SoapAm I correct in assuming RockBox "detects" USB via power being applied to the dock connector pin 23 (USB 5+), and that if I wanted to build a charging dock that didn't trigger the boot to Apple disc mode I should apply power to the firewire pins 19&29?
00:47:38lamed( RayDee is going to get lots of 'use Vmware' sentences now)
00:47:50RayDeehmm, k
00:48:02lamedsoap: depends on the player
00:48:05Arathislamed: I'd rather more like to learn PHP and MySQL as next. but I'm going to univerity from next month on so I have more important things to do first
00:48:14lamedsoap: what player
00:48:38lamednm soap
00:48:51RayDeeso, there is a vmware image ?
00:49:42RayDeethanks a lot :)
00:52:04lamedsoap, have you searched ipodlinux for that?
00:52:09linuxstbSoap: It's a bug that Rockbox misdetects a power-only USB connection as a USB connection to a computer and reboots. Hopefully we'll figure it out, but Rockbox doesn't simply check for USB power.
00:54:01lamedlinuxstb: i'm certin iriver's only checks for usb 5volt power
00:54:06Soapso if I /only/ apply power to the USB port it won't trigger the reboot?
00:55:53lamedwere you asking me? i'm ipod clueless
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00:56:39linuxstbSoap: Currently yes. But hopefully not in the future.
00:56:58Siimorshi :)
00:57:38SoapNow I'm confused? Currentyl it /will/ trigger?
00:59:03linuxstbSorry, I've been a bit confusing. I'm just saying that yes, it probably will trigger now, but it shouldn't, and I hope we can fix that soon.
00:59:53lamedI'd suggest you to find the 5V pins on the charger, and find them on the usb-firewire connection as well, if you get what you think you get (pins 23,19,29, whatever you said before), then I think you will get exactly what you think. you can as well disconnect the data cable if you are afraid it will cause problems later on, but i THINK rb uses hardware's usb detection, at least on the h1x0 series, and that means t
01:00:47Soapfor I'm wiring up some mic amps in prep. for recording, and was going to add an (ipod) power port.
01:00:54lamedlinuxsb: do you know how usb detection works in rb over iriver's?
01:01:24linuxstbNo idea. It's completely different on the h1x0/h3x0 compared to the ipods and h10 though.
01:02:08lamedhmmm. but I still think you could never count on the data connection.
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01:03:49maddog011did the mi4 file change for the H10 since the last few days?
01:04:27Arathismaddog011: just redownload it. it's just some KB
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01:05:33barrywardellmaddog011: yes, it changed a small bit when the LCD changes were made
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01:05:42maddog011looks identical in size
01:05:50lamedit looks like my 3 years old player hardrive or usb interface is diying
01:06:05maddog011perhaps I don't have the same link
01:06:11maddog011is it this one:
01:06:42maddog011is that the newest?
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01:07:45Arathismake a checksum. size can fool you
01:08:07lamedbye guys
01:08:29 Quit lamed ("let's hope my player will actually die soon, and I'll have to buy a better player!")
01:09:31***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:09:50maddog011hey I have a idea, what do you think about making a skin for rockbox that reads the cover.jpg file from the directory of the artist, and displays it as a background when playing ?
01:10:23barrywardellmaddog011: you're talking about album art.
01:10:35maddog011does it exist?
01:10:39barrywardellthere are patches available,but iirc they only work with bmp files
01:11:03barrywardellit will probably eventually make it into rockbox
01:11:07Arathiswhy does rockbox only support bmp at all?
01:11:25maddog011yes, why only bmp...
01:11:32barrywardellwhat do you mean by at all?
01:11:53maddog011in flyspray
01:12:03Soapthe WPS system in bmp based.
01:12:29barrywardellbmp is the easiest format to use. it doesn't need to be decoded or anything like that
01:12:54Arathisah, ic
01:13:49Soapthere is no need for jpg decoding in wpss, and the album art patch is just a tie into the WPS system. for the album art patch to add a jpg cover it would have to decode it itself and then add it to the WPS structure.
01:14:39SoapLord, that was painful to read, sorry, I won't try to compose answers while on the phone with my mother again :(
01:15:33maddog011is there any tutorial on making WPS file's?
01:15:42Arathislook in the RB wiki
01:15:58maddog011got it
01:16:01Soapand the manual has a good breakdown of all the WPS tags.
01:16:03Arathisthere are at least two. one complex and one "the easy way"
01:16:09maddog011found thi sone
01:16:36maddog011can I use colors ?
01:17:08Arathisif your display supports it, why not?
01:17:13maddog011it does
01:17:27maddog011I notice most of the default wps's were in b/w
01:18:33Arathisfor which player?
01:18:46Arathisthey are? oO
01:19:03maddog011all b/w :(
01:19:22maddog011my god...
01:19:28scorchethat is the x5...
01:20:01maddog011my.... god.... its beautifull :)
01:20:05Arathisscorche: h10/20gb and X5 have the same display size
01:20:16maddog011I got the 20gb one
01:20:18scorcheyeah...i was thinking of the 5/6
01:20:22Arathisso you can use X5 WPSs for the H10/20gb
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01:21:07Arathisthe first MR link I posted includes the only gb WPSs I know of so far
01:21:19LorenzoQi need help
01:22:18LorenzoQipod mini 6gb, went to play a song and froze
01:22:33LorenzoQhow do i turn it off to restart?
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01:24:24LorenzoQanyone know how to force shutdown or anything?
01:24:36LorenzoQor do i have to wait until it runs out of battery
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01:25:06scorcheLorenzoQ: hold select and menu
01:25:44LorenzoQcheers scorche that worked
01:26:23maddog011hm, can I now adjust the screen contrast?
01:26:30maddog011in the new rockbox?
01:29:29maddog011where is that option in the menu?
01:30:00maddog011is it in LCD settings? because I can't find it...
01:30:05Arathismaddog011: if you like simple but colored themes: I'm thinking about making a WPS out of my H10 teme ( if you have a 5/6gb it coulad also be simple scaled to that
01:30:27barrywardellyes, it's there. make sure you have the newest cvs version
01:30:29maddog011im thinking of making a wps theme too for my H10
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01:31:15maddog011it says my version is: cvs - 060909
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01:31:43Arathisbarrywardell: is it worth to wait some more minutes for an update? :)
01:31:46barrywardellwhen did you download it?
01:31:54maddog0115 min ago
01:31:55barrywardellArathis: just one bug left
01:32:03Arathisi'll wait
01:32:21maddog011I got it from there
01:33:12barrywardellit should be in LCD settings then. do you have an option for flipping the LCD?
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01:33:30maddog011I will redownload, to make sure
01:33:34barrywardellit's called "Upside down"
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01:35:47*Arathis is holding his eyes open although he's quiet tierd
01:35:59maddog011the display quality is somewhat different...
01:36:01maddog011on the new
01:36:23Arathisbetter or worse?
01:37:05barrywardellworse in what way?
01:37:06Arathis*fearing to try out the new build now*
01:37:19maddog011hm... ok the display now looks like
01:37:25maddog011it has a worse refresh rate
01:37:29maddog011kind of flickery
01:38:05barrywardellis that with a new build?
01:38:11maddog011and when you move the scrollbar to down, I can see some lines like when you look a action scene on a crappy ripped movie
01:38:17maddog011yes, that's the new build
01:38:24maddog011look at it for your self
01:38:48Arathismaddog011: 5/6gb or 20gb?
01:39:01*Arathis fears again
01:39:06maddog011its ok now
01:39:18maddog011the screen glitch dissapeared !?
01:39:27maddog011thjis is strange ima try to reproduce the effect
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01:39:49barrywardelli haven't noticed anything like that myself
01:40:01maddog011it works ok now.....
01:40:20barrywardellmaddog011: try resetting your settings
01:40:21maddog011Maybe it's my brain im not sure... i will tell you if I notice it
01:40:30TeaSeaMan my collection's getting to the point where it takes a while to rescan.
01:40:54TeaSeaMeaning upgrading amarok is usually a process I have to have a bit of spare time for :D
01:40:54maddog011that the new build?
01:40:58barrywardella little preview. don't go into the debug menu or you won't be able to get out
01:41:08maddog011ima check it out too :D
01:41:15maddog011can I ?
01:41:15barrywardellalmost complete keymap reworking
01:41:22barrywardellmaddog011: yes
01:42:25Arathisbarrywardell: why can't get out of it?
01:42:31maddog011hehe, does anyone notice that this player heats up occasionaly :)
01:42:58barrywardellArathis: no keymaps.i can't get them to work. i blame tiredness
01:43:13maddog011the sound codec's are changed ?
01:43:18barrywardellmaddog011: it sure does. kinda explains the poor battery life
01:43:18maddog011how come?
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01:43:40barrywardellsound codecs?
01:43:47ArathisI'd wait than till the keymap is evven more workable
01:44:00maddog011a52.codec was different size :)
01:44:17Arathisbarrywardell: any other changes than the keymaps in this patch?
01:45:04maddog011hehe barry
01:45:06maddog011I can't get in the menu :)
01:45:18maddog011main menu is with power button
01:45:42barrywardellthat's what i mean by new keymaps
01:46:05maddog011how do you go in the other menu?
01:46:11maddog011I just figured out
01:46:21Arathisbarrywardell: or is the only "bug" in the keymap that one with the dev menu?
01:46:32maddog011I like this remap
01:47:14maddog011barry you are a genius :)
01:47:30maddog011this is awsome
01:47:30Arathisthan I'll tr being a beta-tester for now :)
01:47:41barrywardellthe remapping was Nico_P's suggestion
01:48:36maddog011hm, know what would be cool too... if you hold the right button on the directory you get to choose if you want to add the directory to queue
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01:49:12Arathisis there an up2date description of the general keymaps or is the one in Nico_P's first post unchanged for that?
01:49:29maddog011and recursively add the directory's in that as well
01:50:52barrywardellit's mostly unchanged from Nico_P's suggestions and my comments below
01:51:02barrywardellthat's the only documentation there is at the moment
01:51:12maddog011lol whatsup with the upside down :D its mirrored :D
01:51:27Arathisbtw: when I copy a new content over the existing files/dirs on my player, are there any important files that could be overwritten? config files or such
01:51:59maddog011had to use the mirror to return it to normal :D
01:52:01Arathismaddog011: wasn't that what it was supposed to be?
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01:52:36maddog011its upside down/mirror?
01:52:42maddog011what is it for?!
01:52:54barrywardellmaddog011: must my new lcd code causing problems
01:53:06barrywardellyou can change that in the lcd menu
01:54:10barrywardellArathis:no files that I know of. settings are stored elsewhere
01:54:36maddog011barry im out to bed thanx so much for the build, talk to you tomorrow :)
01:55:11Arathisoh, sry. thought barrywardell was leaving :)
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01:55:25barrywardelli will be soon
01:55:48Arathisbarrywardell: *what* needs to be changed regarding the LCD problems? or did I misunderstand your "you can change that in the lcd menu"?
01:55:54Arathisme too
01:56:00Arathisvery soon though
01:56:03barrywardellthe upside down problem
01:56:16barrywardellthere's an option for "Upside down" now
01:56:22barrywardellonly on 20GB
01:56:22Arathisah, okay. thought of the problems maddog011 mentioned earlier
01:56:35Arathisglad to have one :)
01:57:53Arathiswhat is the quick- and pitchscreen?
01:58:40barrywardelltry them!
01:59:24Arathislazy bastard you ;)
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02:04:32Arathisbarrywardell: I'll try the new version and report. but now I'm going to bed (2:04am here). good night
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02:04:52barrywardellme too
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02:33:14z0deim going to be getting a new mp3 player soon, any reccomendations
02:34:07Siimorsi guess iAudio X5 is the best thing right now
02:34:13Siimorsbut don't quote me on that
02:34:19SiimorsI'm using ipod
02:34:50z0deyea im trying to avoid the pod
02:35:07Siimorsgood luck :)
02:35:14z0dei know
02:36:26z0dewow the iAudio X5 looks nice
02:36:36Siimorsand it sound good too
02:36:40z0dewhen i say looks i mean features too
02:37:27z0dewhy did you get an ipod?
02:37:35Siimorscoz I couldn't get iAudio
02:37:53Siimorswhere I live you either get ipod or creative
02:38:26z0deno internet out there huh?
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02:40:35Siimorsz0de: well
02:40:42Siimorsit really isn't an option
02:40:45Siimorsif something goes wrong
02:40:53SiimorsI have to send it through mail to repair
02:40:58Siimorsit costs time and money
02:41:34z0dei guess, where are you?
02:44:20z0deanyone here got any complants about the iAudio X5?
02:45:39Siimorsim in EU, Latvia
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02:46:52zblachhey all
02:47:42zblachanything new and exciting in the world of rockbox?
02:48:41belzeevery second!
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02:50:20zblachdid I miss a text-alignment breakthrough? my on screen text seems to jam itself into the top-left corner of my ipod
02:50:21z0dehm the iAudio X5 does not have a iD3-tag database
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03:00:48z0deanyone here with a iAudio X5L and rockbox?
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03:01:20Quazgaaz0de: i just got mine from the ups man yesterday ;)
03:01:32Quazgaaand installed rockbox on it last night
03:01:56z0dehows it performing for you? im thinking of getting it
03:02:34Quazgaawell, the last portable music player thing i owned was a cd player from like 15 years ago, so i think its awesome
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03:02:54Quazgaarockbox seems to work quite well on it
03:02:58z0de:) easy to navigate songs?
03:03:28Quazgaai barely peeked at the stock firmware though
03:03:34Quazgaaim sure its crap like everything else ;)
03:03:41z0deit does not have id3 support
03:03:51Quazgaawhat doesnt?
03:03:55zez0de: at all?
03:04:00zeor just doesn't browse by id3?
03:04:00z0deid3 tags. the stock firmware
03:04:36z0deDoes not support any kind of ID3-tag database. Literally every player on the market, in the US at least, has this as a basic feature. An iD3-tag database is an index of music loaded on the player, sorted into lists of Artist, Albums, Tracks, Genres, Composers, etc. and built from the user-definable bits tagged on to the end of each track (the iD3 tags).
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03:05:25zez0de: meh
03:05:32zez0de: that style's over-rated imo
03:05:37Siimorsz0de: wtf?
03:05:44zei guess its neat to have
03:05:46zebut not vital
03:06:02Siimorsi think it won't work in rockbox anyway
03:06:08Siimorsso who cares
03:06:27zei think i heard something about rockbox gaining such a thing but i dunno what the status of that is
03:06:30z0dei though rockbox does have id3 support
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03:06:44zei dunno much about modern rockbox though, i'm here for historic reasons :p
03:07:25z0dethe Rockbox music database system. Using the information contained in
03:07:26z0dethe tags (ID3v1, ID3v2, Vorbis Comments, Apev2, etc.) in your audio files, Rockbox
03:07:26z0debuilds and maintains a database of the music files on your player and allows you to
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03:07:26z0debrowse them by Artist, Album and Genre.
03:07:40z0deso rockbox does support id3-tags
03:07:47Siimorsseems so
03:07:48z0dethats out of the manual
03:07:59Siimorsso you should be fine with iAudio
03:08:00zethats not 'supporting id3-tags'
03:08:04zethats browsing by meta-data
03:08:22z0deusing id3-tags?
03:08:25zeanything that can display the meta-data 'supports id3-tags'
03:08:42zeBROWSING by that meta-data is a different function altogether
03:08:59zewhich is what you're describing and what you just pasted from the manual about
03:09:14zei'm just being anal about your terminology :p
03:09:29zebut its dinner time, bbiab
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03:09:35z0deso stock cant browse by tags and rockbox can?
03:11:39Siimorsbuy an ipod, it can browse by tags in original firmware :)
03:11:46Siimorspersonaly I think the feature is overrated
03:12:34z0dei dont have a problem wih folders/files i have an organsied system but would like the option
03:12:59z0defor tags
03:13:05karimSiimors, yes, it is if your files are well sorted
03:13:38Quazgaai like my x5, its nifty ;)
03:14:08z0deoh yea!
03:14:19Quazgaai wantto get a fat hard drive and drop it in there
03:14:36Quazgaawould it be hard to find a large(r) capacity 1.8" drive and drop it in a device like the x5 ?
03:14:53sharpewow. nothing like a 10+ year old laptop on the internet via a serial connection...
03:16:49z0delol sharpe
03:21:05Siimorskarim: well, I like my files sorted in folders rather than by tags
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03:22:03Siimorsipod just f***s up the directory structure and puts files with crazy names and in directories named F01 F02 etc
03:22:08Siimorsit is just sick
03:23:00z0demine go: F:\Music\Artist - year - album\01 - songname
03:23:49karimSiimors, I don't know ipods joys
03:23:55karimI have an iriver
03:23:58SiimorsI like the video feature in ipod though
03:24:01Siimorsits pretty cool
03:24:13karimit kills the batteries it seems
03:24:23Siimorsthat piece of crap plays 720x306 like charm
03:24:29karimbut I would use it some times
03:24:44karimI wish iriver H300 could play decent videos
03:24:55Siimorscan it play videos at all?
03:25:39Siimorslike 15fps :)
03:25:40karimxvid 10fps 220x176 mp3 128kbit
03:25:52karimbut the device is old
03:25:57Siimorsa quick slideshow
03:25:59karim10 fps is still watchable
03:26:08karimno you really feel it's a movie
03:26:24karimbut 25fps the best
03:26:36z0deas a gamer i disagree :P
03:26:52Siimorskarim : ipod can do 30
03:27:01karimI think I finished doom 3 with 22 fps
03:27:04Siimors@ 720x306 2.5mbit, AAC 160kbps
03:27:21karimIrivers are older
03:27:31karimthey are something like 4 years old
03:27:44Siimorskarim: I have an Iriver IMP-450
03:27:48Siimorsnow that is old :)
03:28:00karimI like my iriver
03:28:09karimvideo won't be bad to have
03:28:23karimbut I like recording
03:28:28karimand ogg
03:28:36Siimorskarim: doom3 was a really bad game
03:28:40karimnow rockbox on ipod change things
03:28:51karimSiimors, no it was fun
03:28:52belzei dont see a real reason for videos on mp3-players
03:29:02belzethe batteries dont last long enough anyway
03:29:04Siimorskarim: yeah, but I don't use it, coz it has this ticking noise in the background
03:29:16karimbelze, only because they are called mp3palyers ?
03:29:24Siimorsuntil the find a solution for it, I'm staying away from it
03:29:27belzeno, because they have a small screen
03:29:30z0deyou need a 'media' player
03:29:37karimSiimors, what ticking ?
03:29:46Siimorsbelze: its fine if you hook it up to tv
03:29:58karimbelze, I have a small dick and I use it indeed
03:29:59belzeas "fine" as vcd
03:30:10Siimorsbelze: 720x306 is no vcd :)
03:30:22belzebut that doesnt apply to mp3players
03:30:35belzemaybe to a device like the pmp, which has a nice. big screen
03:30:50karimbelze, when you watch video on a small screen you are actually doing that because you can't watch it on a bigger screen
03:31:20karimbelze, in the train it can be usefull
03:31:23belzeof course you could, on a mobild dvd-player for example
03:31:32belzecosts around $200
03:31:33Siimorsbelze: 720x306 is more like dvd, actually xvids are mostly lower resolution than 720x
03:31:35karimthat's too big
03:31:50karimthe image quality on dvd players is really bad
03:32:01Siimorsand xvid is perfectly watchable on >30'' TV
03:32:04karimon the one I seen
03:32:04belzenot worse than an mp3-player
03:32:15karimyes it is worse
03:32:41karimthe LCD screen of H300 is really good quality.
03:32:49karimit's just small
03:33:16karimif the portable dvd had same screen quality than portable computers it would be nice
03:33:22karimbut most of the time it's not
03:34:04SiimorsI think its ok, if u can watch full length movie per charge on a mp3 player
03:34:28karimbatteries are cheap now
03:34:30SiimorsI never have so much free time to watch more , and theres still battery left for a few hours of music
03:34:34belzei still find the screen way too small
03:34:43belzethe resolution is only half vcd
03:34:54belzewhich wont let you see much details anymore
03:35:00Siimorsits ok
03:35:07karimdetails doesn't matter
03:35:15karimsound and story really do the difference
03:35:27belzeehm, then you should go for audio books :)
03:35:28Siimorsmore important is the fact that it can play really detailed files
03:35:37karimyou will enjoy more a good film on a dap screen than a shit movie on a home cinema
03:35:45Siimorsand u can see all the details if you watch on tv
03:36:07belzeif i want to watch a film on a tv-set i use a dvd-player
03:36:12belzewhich everyone has today
03:36:12karimwhat kind of details do you need to see ?
03:36:19karimbelze, I don't
03:36:32Siimorspersonaly i think ipod video feature would be useless if it could play only resolutions which are described in specifications
03:36:33Quazgaadepends if you are watching adult movies
03:36:35Quazgaadetails are good then
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04:41:05BHSPitLappyany word on that korean rockbox gpl violation
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04:43:21ForgottenMemoryAnyone here?
04:43:42ForgottenMemoryHow do i put pacman on rockbox
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04:46:14belzepacman? no idea
04:46:42ForgottenMemoryyea its called pacbox
04:47:29ForgottenMemorywell is there anyone that knows how to put any other games on rockbox?
04:47:38BHSPitLappyyou have to get the roms for it.
04:47:40QuazgaaForgottenMemory: you need the pacman arcade roms
04:47:59ForgottenMemoryyea ok i found that out but what about half life, counter strike, so on
04:48:35ForgottenMemorywell since you cant help me with that how do i change the font color
04:48:56Quazgaaread the manual
04:49:02Quazgaaand/or navigate the menus
04:49:29ForgottenMemorycan anyone tell me i hate searching lol
04:49:46Quazgaalook for background and foreground color in the menus
04:49:53BHSPitLappyit's under LCD settings
04:49:57BHSPitLappyunder display
04:50:08BHSPitLappydownload the manual
04:50:11ForgottenMemoryim on it wut do i do
04:50:18BHSPitLappythat's what it's for
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04:50:56BHSPitLappymake the foreground yellow, and the background bright purple.
04:51:18BHSPitLappythen listen to reggae.
04:51:24BHSPitLappyis that the level of instruction you need?
04:51:48ForgottenMemoryanyone here got aim? i need some sMOR thats why
04:52:19BHSPitLappyyou mean s'mores.
04:52:33ForgottenMemoryMOR backwards
04:53:59BHSPitLappywe're all good people here... we don't condone piracy
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04:54:25BHSPitLappyyou should find a used pacman machine for sale, and get yourself a good rom dumper.
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04:54:38ForgottenMemorylol ok nvm then but wut about half life do i need roms for that?
04:54:57BHSPitLappyyou can't play half-life; you can play rockdoom, with a half-life wad
04:55:17ForgottenMemoryyea.... how do i do that i already got rockdoom
04:55:37BHSPitLappyfind the wad.
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04:55:54*BHSPitLappy done here
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05:01:55ForgottenMemoryis it illegal to post links to wad.? or just ROMS?
05:03:09ForgottenMemoryanyone still here?
05:03:14BigMacI am
05:03:16ForgottenMemoryi got a question about wads.
05:03:21ForgottenMemorylike which ones work and which ones doesnt
05:03:24BigMacok shoot
05:03:28BigMacfor doom
05:04:03ForgottenMemoryi no doom wrks
05:04:14ForgottenMemorydoes final fantasy ? and duke nukem work too?
05:04:22BigMacyou need rockdoom.wad and doom1 or doom2.wad
05:04:41BigMaconly certain ones do
05:04:46ForgottenMemoryyea i got that but will final fantasy wrk?
05:04:46BigMacnot sure which
05:04:51ForgottenMemoryduke nukem?
05:04:54BigMacno idea
05:05:01ForgottenMemoryi guess ima have to try
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05:08:21ForgottenMemoryk problems with half life
05:08:35ForgottenMemoryim pretty sure i have doom
05:08:43ForgottenMemorybut how come i cant play half life
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05:14:36JdGordonwhy would being able to play doom mean your could play hl?
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05:19:04ForgottenMemorywell it sed i needed a doom wad
05:20:09midkay.. but why would being able to play doom mean you could play half-life? and why doesn't "some of them don't work" explain this to you?
05:23:34ForgottenMemoryi have no clue thats wut ive read
05:24:10ForgottenMemorywell anyways is there a way to organize the rockbox so when i play music its like the iPod
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05:39:23BigMacis there anyway to adjust the scroll wheel sensitivity?
05:40:11Soapthere is a patch to do just that.
05:40:25Soapbut the patch hasn't worked since the "recent" button updates.
05:41:14jhMikeSWell...the build system is hanged again after one of my updates! Crap.
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07:06:55CpuWhizcould anyone here answer a few questions for me?
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07:07:29CpuWhizk, just making sure someone was awake
07:09:10CpuWhizok, i was thinking of getting a mp3 player sometime between now and christmas, and whichever i get has to work right with unicode because i listen mostly to japanese music
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07:10:04CpuWhizi also run linux... anyway, i take it if i loaded rockbox i would be able to play mp3/ogg/flac with UTF-8 tags w/o a problem?
07:11:12Soaplet me take that back, I have had no problem with Eastern European characters.
07:11:20CpuWhizok, because i was looking at various threads about like the iAudio X5+U3 and they only do like UTF-16 on ID3v2.4 on a stock firmware
07:11:39CpuWhizor something stupid like that
07:11:42Soapthat's not adaquate?
07:12:06CpuWhizwell, i just want to keep my music UTF-8
07:12:56CpuWhizok, what about unicode file names? yes, no, maybe?
07:15:45CpuWhizjust read your thing about eastern characters, so that still means it does utf-8 and at most i might need some different font, right?
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07:16:01SoapI haven't done any Japanese, as I've transliterated (SP?) all of mine.
07:16:48CpuWhizhave you ever tried unicode file names?
07:17:07CpuWhizor does it assume some ascii like charset for the filesystem?
07:19:27CpuWhizi'll move on to a easy question then, between the iAudio X5 and the iPod Video, which would u use, why, do either have any big problems, etc.
07:19:45Soapipod video for one reason.
07:20:01SoapI know in 5 years I be able to get parts and accessories for it.
07:20:24SoapI'm a poor man, and I keep tech a long time.
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07:20:42SoapI'm still running a sub 500 mhz machine here.
07:20:44CpuWhizok, looking at the themes, am i correct in assuming the ipod has a higher resolution screen?
07:21:06Soapyes, which is also its downfall, in it takes more CPU to update that big screen.
07:21:38CpuWhizok, is there like some max bitrate i should be concerned about?
07:22:35CpuWhizlike if i played a 320kbps vbr mp3 would it start chocking (not that i can hear a difference between 192 and up)
07:25:58CpuWhiztake the PJ Blue theme as an example, it has text on the left and the iTunes icon on the right, if the song name is too long, does it overlap the icon, scroll back and forth or something else
07:26:03SoapI don't know, all my rips are LAME APS or OGG Q6, and I don't have trouble with either.
07:26:38CpuWhizlike 2/3 down the page
07:26:43CpuWhizon the left side
07:27:35CpuWhizsimply put, what does it do with song titles that don't fit on the screen
07:30:08CpuWhizif i went crazy and wanted to use the original firmware, it's fairly easy to switch back on the ipod, right?
07:30:56CpuWhizok, i think i covered just about everthing
07:30:58SoapFWIW, the ipod has reduced runtime with rockbox compared to stock apple firmware.
07:31:08CpuWhizi read that
07:31:19Soapnow talk to an iaudio x5 fan, and get the balance.
07:31:53CpuWhizthe lowest number on the chart was like 5 hours or so and i don't plan to really use it longer then that
07:31:58CpuWhizin a go that is
07:32:26SoapI get ~10 on my 5g 60 gigger.
07:32:39SoapI'm currently doing a set of comprehensive runtime tests.
07:32:58SoapOgg vs MP3 with rockbox vs mp3 on stock.
07:33:11CpuWhizisn't the ipod smaller (and maybe lighter) then the X5?
07:33:29Soapthat I can't speak to, but those dimensions should be all over the intraweb
07:34:56CpuWhiz4.08 X 2.39 X 0.72 (X5L) vs. 2.4 x 4.1 x .43 inches (ipod video)
07:36:46CpuWhizi really hate apple and their stupid iTunes, but the iPod does look sexier
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07:37:35CpuWhizdoes the theme only show up for that one screen?
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07:41:10Soapthat one screen is likely 90% of what you'll see.
07:41:38CpuWhizok, and the rest is the black and white menus i see in the manual...
07:41:46Soapthemes also can set a background photo for the file browser and menu tree
07:41:54Soapas well as control the font.
07:42:42CpuWhizok, about fonts, can u just drop a ttf in a specific folder, special format, what
07:43:54Soapthere is a conversion utility out there.
07:44:11SoapTTFs are not directly supported.
07:44:17CpuWhizok, could u maybe link me?
07:44:59CpuWhizfile transfer, do i have to do some weird reboot on the ipod, will it work like a thumb drive in linux?
07:46:33Soapcurrently with Rockbox, an iPod reboots into Apple's "emergency disk mode" when attached via USB. This lets you treat it as any other UMS device. Hopefully in the future rockbox will have a USB mode of its own.
07:46:56SoapSo yes in short to both questions.
07:47:30CpuWhizok, so is this a pain to do?
07:48:37SoapIt is automatic. When you plug into a USB cable it reboots into disk mode. When you unplug the cable it reboots into RockBox.
07:48:59CpuWhizso it's just a extra second or two as it reboots then
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07:52:28FMAAnyone here?
07:53:30FMHow do i get twilight wad on rockbox
07:53:41FMi put it in the folder addons but nothing happens
07:53:43FMhow do i use it
07:54:20Soaphow much of the manual regarding doom did you read?
07:54:41FMwell all i know is i can run doom
07:54:47FMi can play it
07:54:54FMbut i wanna play the other games too
07:56:40BigMacS0ap:got a second
07:57:01BigMacI'm getting stuck on the second part 2
07:57:23BigMacwere you have to add
07:57:38BigMaci add it and get
07:57:46BigMacwhich isn't that wierd
07:58:07BigMacbut I can't find some of the items I have to check in devel
07:58:49BigMacthey were out of order
07:58:51BigMacmy bad
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07:59:53FMhow do i run it
08:00:03FMi tried and all it does is boot me back to plugins menu
08:00:20Soapyea, not all of them are in alphabetical order, some are hiding at the bottom.
08:00:36SoapDid you read the manual and forum posts on Doom?
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08:00:45FMwut do u mean hiding
08:02:13BigMacFM:that was pertaining to me not you
08:02:49FMwell i read the manual and posts i understood and did everything it said
08:03:12FMlike i said when i try to run doom with twilight wad. doesnt work. tried with other wads doesnt work either
08:03:18FMbut when i run regular doom it works
08:04:38SoapI can't speak to any specific wads, but not all are compatible.
08:05:07FMyea but i read on forums that twilight wrks so i tried that but it didnt
08:07:59BigMacFM:do you have doom 2?
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08:08:12BigMaci figured out the porblem too
08:08:43BigMacSoap:do you remember which tutorial on compiling is the easiest
08:08:48BigMacnot sure which one
08:12:57JdGordondo any players have spdif and fmradio?
08:17:39aliaskJdGordon: H100?
08:17:54BigMacwhat is the cvs password guys?
08:18:06aliaskJust press enter
08:18:08JdGordonaliask: ta, i thought of that 1 about 1 sec after pressing enter :p
08:18:20BigMaci did
08:18:38aliaskBigMac: Are you sure you've logged in as anon?
08:19:22BigMacfailed to open home/me/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory
08:19:37BigMacthat is how you spell it I believe
08:19:41aliasktype this in "touch ~/.cvspass"
08:19:44aliaskAnd run again
08:20:25BigMacwhen prompted for pass
08:20:31BigMacor just as a command
08:20:32aliaskJust in the promp
08:20:36BigMacw/o quotes?
08:20:39aliaskprompt even
08:21:22aliaskIt's strange that CVS doesn't just create the file...
08:21:26BigMacok I think it worked that time
08:23:02BigMack how do I know were it dl'd the3 source to in cygwin
08:23:19aliaskIt should just put it in the directory you were in.
08:25:39BigMacI have no idea were i am
08:25:46BigMachaven't cd'd anywere yet
08:27:13aliask(that's the command you type to find out where you are by the way)
08:30:58aliaskJdGordon: Whatcha working on today?
08:31:10JdGordonstill settings rework
08:31:20JdGordonand im trying to figure out how to add dynamic menus to it
08:31:48*JdGordon is going to need a small army soon to help out
08:34:07BigMacwhat part would I have to change to make it so if I hold the select button on the ipod video, it boots into apple os
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08:38:49BigMacwhen I cd I want to be in the rockbox-devel folder right?
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08:56:13aliaskBigMac: How does that bootloader work? To load linux do you just press play at a menu, or hold it down while it boots?
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08:59:31BigMacyou hold down menua while it boots up
09:01:23Slasheri - scheduler v4 with significant bug fixes
09:01:42Slasheriand more comments :)
09:02:18aliaskBigMac: Stick that above the first if statement - I don't know the bootloader system, so use it at your own risk.
09:07:45aliaskSlasheri: I think that patch was made against an old cvs. There's a whole lot of unneeded stuff in there
09:08:07Slasherialiask: hmm.. really?
09:08:15Slasherii updated cvs just before created the patch
09:08:25aliask−−- apps/plugin.c16 Aug 2006 04:05:17 -00001.182
09:08:45Slasheriand i have resorted the plugin api
09:08:57Slasherithat's why it has so many changes
09:09:37BigMachow do i fix something if the patching fails?
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09:09:52aliaskSlasheri: Ah yes, now I see. Sorry.
09:10:04aliaskBigMac: Take a look in the .rej file that was created
09:10:06SlasheriBigMac: make sure you start with a clean cvs without previosly applied patches
09:10:24BigMacmalformed patch at line 59
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09:11:35BigMacdoes it matter If hunks fail?
09:11:50BigMachow do I fix that?
09:11:51aliaskMalformed patch means that the patch is broken.
09:12:02BigMacdoom scrollpatch?
09:13:09BigMacwhat about failed hunks?
09:13:15BigMacwhat do i do about them>
09:13:59aliaskA file will be created that ends with .rej - if you read it you can see what didn't get patched right.
09:14:23BigMacwhy are all my patches failing now
09:14:35BigMacthey keep failing in hunks
09:14:44aliask1) Are you applying it to clean source?
09:14:59BigMacand the rej just had 2 numbers
09:15:07BigMacyes it started as a clean source
09:15:24aliaskWell, if you apply two patches, they may interfere with eachother
09:16:09BigMaci'm just applying the patches from jbuild
09:16:17BigMacthey have to work with each other
09:16:38aliaskWhat's jbuild?
09:16:48BigMacipod build
09:16:54BigMacit has nice patches
09:17:02BigMacbut it is missing a few i nedd
09:17:17BigMacis there anyway i can start fresh
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09:17:24aliaskGet a new cvs?
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09:17:44aliaskPerhaps the author of jbuild made alterations to the patches to get them to work with eachother?
09:17:48BigMacwill it overwrite what i have
09:17:58BigMaci'm using his patches
09:19:56BigMachow do i know if it is updating the source
09:20:45aliaskWhat do you mean, updating the source?
09:21:03aliaskGetting clean CVS? Applying a patch?
09:21:13BigMacgetting a clean cvs
09:21:55BigMacso if a hunk fails that mean i can't use the build?
09:23:38BigMachow do i start off with a clean source?
09:27:20aliaskIf a hunk fails, the source wasn't modified for that part.
09:27:31aliaskSo if all you're getting is failed hunks, then nothing in the source has changed.
09:28:15BigMacand i get a clean source by?
09:29:10aliaskA clean source just means an unmodified one.
09:29:35aliaskSo you can get it from CVS, or if there's a patch applied, you can make it clean by reverse applying the patch.
09:29:47BigMachow do i do that
09:29:55aliaskReverse a patch?
09:30:07BigMaci want to start over
09:30:19aliaskYou KNOW how to get CVS.
09:30:42BigMacyah but it gives me errors
09:31:00aliaskWhat errors?
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09:32:52BigMacdon't rmember anymore i exited out
09:35:46BigMacI got a new source
09:35:55BigMacby doing the first step over
09:36:15BigMacand its saying I already applied this patch before
09:36:21BigMacand I have to keep pressing n
09:36:32BigMacand it keeps saying hunks ignored
09:37:02aliaskThats because you're note applying the patch to clean source.
09:37:12aliaskThe patch is already applied.
09:37:21BigMacI downloaded the new source
09:37:26aliaskIt's asking you if you want to reverse the patch.
09:38:02BigMacso what do i do
09:38:19aliaskWell, if you want, you could say yes to all the prompts, and it would reverse the patch.
09:38:52aliaskOr you could delete the rockbox-devel directory and re-get it, because it sounds like it didn't go correctly last time.
09:42:11Rudy4PezHey, I need a program off of SourceForge, can somebody do me a favor and compile it for me?
09:47:08Rudy4PezI'm looking at it correctly, right? It need to be compiled?
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10:05:10webguest666Badger, tomas, the build table has stalled
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10:06:49Jazz00006how would u (in a plugin) join a string with another string? (ya im still learning the rockbox syntax)
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10:07:58Quazgaawhere is the documentation for doom on rockbox, it appears to be absent from the x5 manual
10:09:02BagderJazz00006: using ordinary C methods
10:09:23BagderQuazgaa: check the wiki
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10:11:25Quazgaaah found it thanks
10:12:43SlasheriBagder: hi, btw the new scheduler improved overall performance by about 2% (measured by watching the boost ratio while playing a q8 vorbis)
10:17:54webguest29Are multiple threads allowed to wait on same queue?
10:19:41Slasherino, that should never happen (i.e., multiple threads calling queue_wait(&same_queue))
10:19:53Slasheribut with mutexes that is not problem
10:20:09webguest29So, it's not allowed?
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10:20:30Slasheriif more than two mutexes tries to lock at the same time, one of them remains active until there is just one more locked mutex
10:21:05Slasherithat can be made allowed by a very simple change but i don't think that situation should ever happen
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10:21:16BagderSlasheri: I'm sure you got it to improve performance, but I'm worried that you introduce complexity and add non-determinism into the scheduler
10:21:39SlasheriBagder: please check the v4 of the patch and especially kernel.c :)
10:21:49Slasheriit should be even more simple now ;)
10:21:55Bagderand where is that?
10:22:11Slasherifor example queue waiting and mutex locking has been simplified
10:22:20Slasheriand all wake_up_thread calls removed
10:22:28Slasherithere very a huge bunch of them
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10:23:47Slasherihowever, iram usage issue is still unsolved for archos but in otherway it should work quite well now
10:25:46webguest29Isn't it more customary to have e.g. a waiter list in the mutex itself than just one global 'blocked' list?
10:26:31Slasheriwebguest29: hmm, in fact that sounds like a good idea!
10:27:34Slasheriin fact that blocked list is unnecessary if we just store the thread pointer to the mutex / queue itself.. (as we do already)
10:27:40Slasheriso that can be removed
10:29:39webguest29Yes, but you could also make it a proper list, which would allow you to get rid of the one tick sleep you have e.g. in mutex_lock(), right?
10:30:42Slasheriwebguest29: yes, that's true. i have thinked it a long time to find a way to store multiple tasks in one mutex but never got the idea it was that simple
10:30:50Slasherii will definately change that, thanks :)
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10:33:48webguest29If priorities are not used, where in the running list do you put a newly woken up thread?
10:34:33webguest29I think it should be inserted last.
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10:35:04webguest29I.e. every already running thread should be run first.
10:35:19JdGordonif its jusy woken up shouldnt be inserted next? i.e wouldnt it have something to do if it was woken?
10:36:03webguest29If you do this two threads playing ping-pong can monopolize the CPU, right?
10:38:43Slasherihmm, but threads will not sleep/wakeup at every task switch
10:39:15Slasherithere can be several task switches until sleeping thread is woken up
10:40:48perplexityInteresting.. while testing a build server, if you run remotely with no arguments it deletes the entire ~/rbclient directory ! :(
10:41:27webguest29Slasheri: Yes, there can. But what if there's not?
10:42:20webguest29That's what I meant woth ping-pong. The threads constantly waking up each other.
10:42:28webguest29with even
10:42:32BagderperpleXa: it is supposed to be given a dir to which it cds into
10:42:41Bagderperplexity even
10:42:47Slasherihmm.. i am not sure if that can really happen
10:42:51perplexityindeed Bagder, I discovered that the hard way :)
10:43:07Bagderssh -i privkey $ssh_port -o ConnectTimeout=15 $server "./ \\"$date\\" \\"$buildline\\
10:43:19perplexityJust manually testing builds of *every* target remotely to find out what is goin gon..
10:43:20Bagder(from the master script)
10:44:36webguest29Slasheri: Ok, you seem to be designing the kernel a bit differently that I am used to. Usually we try to take care of anything that someone could try to do no matter how unlikely it might be :-)
10:45:06perpleXahuh? :P
10:45:14BagderI think taking care of existing kernel knowledge and experience is a good thing
10:45:46BagderperpleXa: just me messing with my tab completion, go back to sleep ;-)
10:45:58perpleXaokay :)
10:46:02perpleXagood luck
10:46:17markunwebguest29: is there a specific kernel you are involved with?
10:46:19webguest29It's a bit like the multiple threads waiting on same queue. It should either be documented that you are not allowed to do it or it should work.
10:46:34*Bagder agrees with webguest29
10:46:57webguest29markun: Mostly a proprietary RT OS we use at work. I kind of maintain it.
10:49:13Slasheriwebguest29: true, but how should it work if more than one thread listens to a queue? Should only one of the threads get the queue events or both get them? At least original kernel delivered events only one thread and with the new kernel that situation is not allowed to happen
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10:50:40webguest29I would say only one of them gets the event. But I don't really care. If everybody agrees that it is not supported, it's ok. I just noticed that your code does not support it.
10:54:40webguest29Oh, and I mean one thread would get some specific event. Different events could go to different waiters.
11:02:37JdGordonwhy is the P2ID macro giving me "error: invalid operands to binary -" ??
11:04:53JdGordonwoops.. not P2ID, P2STR
11:06:21JdGordonno, it is P2ID
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11:16:54nlsIs doom working on all swcodec targets now?
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11:22:13Quazgaais support for sound/multiplexed mpegs in the works for mpegplayer?
11:22:47linuxstbOf course.
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11:24:28linuxstbnls: Looking at the source it looks like Doom is compiled for every Colour target (apart from the Gigabeat) and all 2bpp greyscale targets. So yes, all swcodec targets apart from the gigabeat.
11:24:45Quazgaashould buy the mplayer devs some nice portable players and encourage them to help on that ;p
11:25:33nlslinuxstb, ok thanks :)
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11:46:51Quazgaai managed to crash doom
11:47:29Quazgaathatd be cool if it played the midis ;)
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11:56:24JdGordondo any taregts other than archos save settings to non-volatile ram?
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12:14:09linuxstb_JdGordon: Not currently afaik.
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12:15:08*JdGordon wonders why he is being asked if my settings rework allows for it then..
12:17:38linuxstbI assume because we want Rockbox to do it on other targets.
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12:18:10LearAnd isn't there work being done towards that on Iriver platforms?
12:18:22linuxstbYes - there's an eeprom driver now.
12:18:37JdGordonhmm.. is that the dirvers/eeprom*.h files?
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12:33:33maddog011hey barry welcome
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12:37:33lorijhohi guys
12:43:42*JdGordon has got 99 h300 settings exporting to config.c=fg :D
12:44:01JdGordononly about 50 more :)
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12:51:48preglowanyone here tried the 5g hw eq?
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13:03:04iwantanimacHi all, just wondering if anyone could give me write access to the Wiki? My wiki Name is GeoffStokes.
13:08:18Quazgaaso put an m2v on my X5 and when i try to play it it says "buffering..." and sits there for a little bit then drops back out to the file navigator or whatever
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13:12:19JdGordonshort is 16bits on all our targets correct?
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13:14:48barrywardelliwantanimac: done (i think)
13:15:12iwantanimacthanks barry!
13:15:18barrywardellJdGordan: it is on ARM targets anyway
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13:16:51JdGordondoes gcc start new struct items every 4 bytes? i ask because will adding an extra 2 to a char[] actually add 4 becuase of gcc?
13:18:03barrywardellJdGordon: I'm having a button action problem. can you have a look?
13:18:50barrywardelli'm revising the H10 keymaps.
13:19:03barrywardellEverything works fine except some of the debug screens
13:19:35barrywardellnone of the keys work in them.
13:19:37Learjdgordon: depends on what follows and the alignment rules of the target.
13:19:42JdGordondebug screen uses the settings context which may stuff it up
13:19:58JdGordonLear: its a simple struct with only the short and then char[]
13:21:05Learjdgordon: then a sizeof should increase by 2, I think.
13:21:39JdGordonso it will pad the short to 4 bytes?
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13:22:33LearHuh? What do you mean? Example please. :)
13:22:59JdGordonbarrywardell: ye, debug uses context_settings, so u need std_cancel, std_ok, std_next, _std_prev, and _settings_[inc/dec]
13:23:12Quazgaawhat mplayer line would be good to encode a dvd track to something rockbox will play
13:23:20barrywardellJdGordon: yes, I noticed that. Normally BUTTON_LEFT would be ACTION_STD_CANCEL, but settings changes BUTTON_LEFT to be ACTION_STD_PREV.
13:23:39Quazgaathis is what i tried that doesnt seem to work: mencoder dvd://3 -nosound -vf scale -zoom -xy 160 -o psf-3.m2v -ovc lavc -mpegopts format=mpeg2:vframerate=15
13:23:48JdGordonthe debug actins all need work.. they didnt really "fit" well :p
13:24:03barrywardelli tried making BUTTON_POWER be ACTION_STD_CANCEL. it works if I put it in the standard context, but not if i put it in the settings context
13:24:21Quazgaaah n/m i see theres an example on the wiki
13:24:28linuxstbQuazgaa: I'm guessing that generates a .avi file - which you've just named "psf-3.m2v"
13:24:41linuxstbAre you running Linux?
13:25:06linuxstbIf you type "file psf-3.m2v", that should tell you the real filetype of the file.
13:25:07JdGordonLear: struct {short s, char c[32]}, so does gcc compile it to the short being 4 bytes then the 32 byte chars so 36bytes, or does it make it 2bytes and 32bytes for 34?
13:26:58Learjdgordon: I'd think that would be 34, since bytes normally are byte-aligned. Might not be true for all targets though.
13:27:05linuxstbJdGordon: Why do you care?
13:28:13JdGordonlinuxstb: for the sake of 2 bytes * how ever many array items there will be...
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13:33:05barrywardellJdGordon: any thoughts on why putting my button in the standard context but not in the setting context works?
13:34:33JdGordonbarrywardell: umm.. can u upload the actual keymap.c for me please? i cant tell from just the patch
13:34:50JdGordon.. it shouldnt make a difference...
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13:38:05JdGordonbarrywardell: hmm... odd.... sorry cant help you there
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13:39:46barrywardellJdGordon: i just spotted something. if i use: { ACTION_STD_CANCEL, BUTTON_LEFT, BUTTON_NONE }, for the standard context it works
13:40:48JdGordonthats not what u actually want tho? is it?
13:41:44JdGordonhang on.. whats the problem? you want to use left for cancel?
13:42:28Quazgaalinuxstb: you know if there is a way to set the framerate for lavc?
13:42:43barrywardellleft for cancel, long left for quickscreen
13:43:00barrywardellmy point is that removing the BUTTON_REL fixes the debug menu problem
13:43:55linuxstbQuazgaa: I think you want -ofps. Are you encoding from PAL or NTSC?
13:44:26JdGordonbarrywardell: ok, if its fixed then cool...
13:44:36*JdGordon tihnks debug screens need their own contexts...
13:45:06barrywardellthe only problem is now, long left triggers both cancel and quickscreen
13:45:56Quazgaalinuxstb: that seems to be working
13:46:28Quazgaawhichever one is used inthe US ;p
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14:26:16barrywardelllooks like there is a problem with the build system
14:30:41JdGordonfire whoever coded it!
14:31:54perplexityheh, and it's not my fault this time.. <wipes sweat from brow>
14:33:15JdGordonping Bagder
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14:38:02JdGordonyikes... ive been asked to convert a c prgram to psuedo code so it can eventually be converted to c... cept it was origionally COBOL... the file is horrible!
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14:41:12Soapdo you still have the original COBOL?
14:41:41JdGordoni dont, and it wouldnt make it any easier for me..
14:42:09Soapahh, but it is one of the two languages I am actually good at.
14:43:17SoapI sit here trying to learn C and Rockbox by playing-along-at-home, then a chance shows up...and is dashed.
14:44:22JdGordonhehe, sorry mate
14:45:46JdGordoncrazy cde has $ in half the function and variable names?
14:46:16JdGordonand it uses an unhealthy amount of global variables :p
14:50:25Arathisbarrywardell: tried the new keymaps. they work fine so far. much more intuitiv
14:50:37barrywardellthat was the goal :)
14:51:00barrywardelllet me know if you have any comments/suggestions
14:51:31Arathisbut I miss a buton to jump back directly to the "main" of a menu as in the iriver fw where you can hold left and get back to the main screen.
14:52:05Arathisand btw I can't find the LCD on/off option.
14:52:32Arathisand the options for "hold" don't seem to work either
14:52:38Arathisor I misunderstand them
14:52:58Arathisalso the invert option isn't there for me
14:53:44Arathisand some things I don't know you are responsable for or can fix them:0
14:54:31barrywardelli agree a button to jump back would be nice
14:54:47Arathiswhen pressing play in the text editor to accept what you made there it affects playback. it pauses playback in fact.
14:55:31barrywardellah, ok. plugin keymaps aren't donne yet!
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14:55:50Arathisalso the highlightcolor for the text editor sho8ld be adjustable because for my bg color it's more like eye cancer now
14:56:06barrywardellthe lcd on/off is part of backlight
14:56:47barrywardellinvert is suported by the lcd driver but there isn't an option to set it yet
14:57:10Arathisand I noticed that noting that writes files askes if to overwrite an existing file
14:58:13Arathisand my bg color was green when I first started the player after copying the new .rockbox folder over there
14:58:15barrywardellis the "hold" problem you are referring to the backlight on hold setting?
14:58:43Arathisbtw: is there a bugtracker for rockbox?
14:58:47barrywardellArathis: reset your settings.
14:58:54Arathisi did ;)
14:58:58Arathisjust wanted to name it
14:59:40Arathisah, great. cause i wanted some information about the WPS bg bug (that backgrounds aren't deleted automaticaly
15:00:27barrywardelli'll fix the hold problem now... forgot it existed!
15:00:27Arathisbarrywardell: where exactly should the lcd on/off option be?
15:00:53barrywardellthe lcd turns on/off automatically when the backlight turns on/off
15:00:55Arathison lcd options > backlight i can only adjust the shotdown time for the backlight
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15:01:15Arathisokay,. that works than
15:01:51webguest54bagder, the build table has stalled again
15:02:04barrywardellit's obviously hard to see that it works because the backlight is off, but i've checked it and it definitely does
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15:02:59Arathisholding it against the light can do so. an experiance i gathered with the backlight bug in the iriver firmware ;)
15:03:44barrywardellyes, that's how I tested that it works
15:05:59Arathisnoticed a little bug in RB right away: when i access the playlist catalog through the context menu my playlists aren't listed. only when i go through the menu (playlist options > playlist catalog) they show up.
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15:11:07Arathisam i right that there isn't any external program to generate tagcache so far?
15:11:11daurn|afkhi all
15:11:26daurn|afkwrong channel/time
15:15:18Learjdgordon: In cobol, there are no local variables. Remember, this is an old language. :)
15:15:22barrywardellArathis: i think there was mention of one before
15:19:07linuxstbArathis: The script in the tools/ directory in the Rockbox source might work. I think it only supports mp3 and ogg vorbis though.
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15:19:42Arathisthats enough for me. thanks linuxstb
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15:26:26*jhMikeS busted the build system again...seems to have a penchant for that.
15:27:15barrywardellArathis, the hold thing is fixed in cvs
15:27:33jhMikeSwhat's the hold thing?
15:27:52Arathisdoes the build system work again or do i need to download cvs?
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15:28:23jhMikeSIt's back up now but CVS isn't affected
15:28:39SoapHow do I leave comments in the Wiki? I don't want to clutter the page with details people probably don't want to see, but I don't want to loose said details.
15:28:51Soapjust #Comment?
15:29:10Arathisbarrywardell: i think the new keymaps could be uploaded too. or is the dev menu bug still existing or you too ansatisfied with the keymaps till now?
15:29:22barrywardelljhMikeS: backlight on hold wasn't working on h10
15:29:51barrywardellArathis: they are there already!
15:30:16jhMikeSWhat was wrong? It is a feature I added...curious as to why.
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15:32:09barrywardellit just wasn't enabled (it was commented out).
15:32:44jhMikeSI added that to the remote backlight too so others should test that on non-x5
15:32:58dfsgdfsghi, i wonder if my ipod nano is compatible with rockbox , on the website it says rockbox is compatible with ipod nano generation 1 and 2 but how can i know what generation my ipod is ?
15:33:28z0deanyone here with an iAudio X5(L) and rockbox?
15:33:30jhMikeSOne observation: When you are in menus and you turn a hold switch on, the lock icon isn't being updated
15:33:57Quazgaaz0de: yeah i still have my x5, havent thrown it away since last night ;p
15:34:28Quazgaaquite a sweet little machine i'd say
15:34:32*jhMikeS thinks we should all put our x5's in a pile and burn them!
15:34:39z0delol, i was hoping for someone whos had one a bit longer to see if they had any problems
15:34:46Soapdfsgdfsg - RockBox works with all Nanos out there currently.
15:34:56z0dewhy jhMikeS
15:35:08jhMikeSz0de: kidding
15:35:12Learjhmikes: btw, that occasional failure of building the Rec 8MB target happens when an older version of gcc is used.
15:35:16barrywardelljhMikeS: the original code for the H10 wasn't working properly anyway so I copied it from the X5 code :)
15:35:37jhMikeSbarrywardell: ahhh...good choice :)
15:35:50Quazgaaz0de: well ive explored most of the functionalities i think, and it works great
15:36:00barrywardelljhMikeS: the lock icon does get updated for me on the menu
15:36:06Quazgaai was playing pacman and doom earlier that was pretty cool :p
15:36:06jhMikeSmy rec button kinda sticks a bit sometimes
15:36:14z0dedoom rolf
15:36:57Quazgaayeah it actually looks quite nice on the x5 :)
15:36:58jhMikeSbarrywardell: don't move the cursor or anything...just flick the hold switch
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15:37:20Quazgaamy porn looks pretty nice on it too
15:37:22z0dehows the joystick for navigation
15:37:33z0deand can it show album art
15:37:34barrywardelljhMikeS: yep, still works for me
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15:37:45Quazgaajoystick is OK
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15:37:54jhMikeSbarrywardell: you're using what H10?
15:38:02barrywardellyes, H10 20GB
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15:38:17Quazgaawell theres a picture viewer
15:38:38jhMikeSsomething to investigate...on x5 it's not getting updated properly...or wasn't
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15:39:06barrywardellmaybe it has been fixed
15:40:03jhMikeSbarrywardell: maybe you fixed it? ;)
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15:40:56linuxstbdfsgdfsg: There is only one generation of Nano - where on the website does it say there are two?
15:41:27barrywardelli doubt i did. i only changed the button-h10.c file
15:41:55barrywardellsomething is very wrong if that also affected the x5 :P
15:43:17jhMikeSLear: it failed on Rec 8MB on the build system, not for me personally so couldn't be my gcc version
15:43:46Quazgaaany chance of recording 24bit and/or 96khz wav on the x5 ?
15:44:25kratosis there a feature to shuffle all files on a h120 into a playlist and not only the files in a specific directory?
15:44:26jhMikeSQuazgaa: not a chance for you'd get 88200 at best
15:44:40Quazgaa882 would be neat :)
15:45:02Learjhmikes: Yes, I was refering the the build system. That server uses gcc 3.3.x something, which is a bit old (the script even warns about it).
15:45:19dfsgdfsgApple: iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th gen (Video), Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen
15:45:32Arathisbarrywardell: made a little timecheck for the H20. startup time ~ 4s | time till battery stops blinking ~ 48s | time till battery is full ~ 1m45s (but my battery isn't fully loaded (about 73%)
15:45:45jhMikeSQuazgaa: As for bit depth...I'll check that real quick...
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15:46:31Arathisby stairing at the battery status I noticed that it slows down when "charging" (filling up the icon)
15:46:33Quazgaahow hard would it be to support the extra sampling rate / bit depth ?
15:47:18linuxstbiloveOOv: The "1st/2nd gen" only refers to the Mini.
15:47:20jhMikeSQuazgaa: Coldfire can do 16,18 and 20
15:47:36iloveOOvlinuxstb> ok
15:48:20iloveOOvlinuxstb> i just had my ipod yesterday, im a noobie
15:48:34jhMikeSQuazgaa: The sampling rate would be easy but the bit depth thing more'd just have to pad to 24 or something
15:48:56linuxstbiloveOOv: I can see how that list can be confusing.
15:49:06Arathisdoes rockbox use shuffle or random playback algorithm?
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15:49:26Arathiswould be neat to choose that for oneself
15:49:39QuazgaajhMikeS: ah ok, well at least the output would be more useable then ;)
15:50:17ArathisJdGordon: too bad. why is shuffle so popular? I like random more :(
15:50:50Soapwhy you say shuffle, Arathis, you are speaking of a non-true-random which advoids playing the same song twice?
15:50:59JdGordonthere isnt really a difference.... shuffle works better in rb because the way the playslists are stored
15:51:54JdGordonit is possible (i tinhk) to add "random" random mode.. but its not worth the effort...
15:52:25jhMikeSwhy is shuffle not true random...reording of a list can indeed be perfectly random
15:53:42jhMikeSIt's the same as pulling out random cards from a deck and not replacing them
15:53:52barrywardellArathis: the battery readings are not to be believed just yet. they need to be calibrated
15:53:59*Soap is still looking for the RockBox definition of "Shuffle", a nebulous term at best.
15:54:26JdGordonrockbox shuffle just reorders the playlist somewaht randomly...
15:54:50Learjhmikes: it's not the randomness that's the difference, with shuffle, you don't put the cards back, with random you do.
15:54:52JdGordoniirc it goes through evey item and replaces it with another item in the array.. so the 1 track could be moved more than once
15:54:56Soapahh, so all songs are played once before one repeats.
15:55:01Learand rockbox does the shuffle.
15:55:03ArathisSoap: as far as I know shuffle jumps a random number of titles from the now playing one and random jumps to a random title in the list by choosing a random titlenumber out of the whole list titleamount. but yes, a random playlist avoiding to play the same title is what I'm searching for.
15:55:05JdGordonunless shuffle repeat is on..
15:56:16SoapArathis - that is the "Foobar" def., and I grok what you are asking for, I just don't think "Shuffle" is universaly accepted to mean that.
15:56:26Arathisbarrywardell: I know. just wanted to gove a clue how long it actualy takes to the actual lifetime to be "correct"
15:56:44JdGordonshuffle is the perfect word for how rockbox random works... because it does just that
15:56:44barrywardellyeah, thanks. hopefully it will help
15:58:09SoapJdGordon - My Sony (home) CD player calls it Shuffle, and doesn't repeat...whereas my Sony (car) CD player calls it shuffle and will repeat.
15:58:22JdGordonits a sooneee!
15:58:36Soapyea, let's not talk about that.
15:58:40jhMikeSLear: point exactly :) but replacement/nonreplacement are both "random"
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16:01:50jhMikeSif repeat one is on you can't skip to another song unless that's been fixed too
16:03:31JdGordonthats how its supposed to work tho?
16:04:42jhMikeSIt would be nice to repeat the _current_ song but be able to go to the next and have that one repeat
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16:11:26JdGordonbed time for me
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16:14:30Arathisdoes anybody know what/why rockbox is searching when you start a track from tagcache?
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16:20:51SlasheriArathis: it needs to build a playlist and find the selected track's filename
16:21:03SlasheriArathis: if you load tagcache to ram, that should be seamless
16:21:42webguest83hey anyone, I have an H10 6GB , and I want to know which folders to replace with a theme file
16:22:38ArathisSlasheri: I *do* load to RAM, but it takes some seconds to search anyway :(
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16:24:49SlasheriArathis: hmm, do you have dircache enabled?
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16:39:31Arathis_Slasheri: did you get my last question? i had a big lag here
16:39:55Slasheri17:22 < Arathis> Slasheri: I *do* load to RAM, but it takes some seconds to search anyway :(
16:40:00Slasherithat was the last i got..
16:40:09Slasheriand then i asked if you had dircache enabled
16:40:28Arathis_didn't get that one
16:40:51Arathis_no, dircache isn't anabled. i think it's also known for freezing the player on the h10
16:42:29Arathis_Slasheri: there isn't any possibility to call the tagcache creation status?
16:42:38Arathis_that was my last question
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16:43:25SlasheriArathis_: you can check the debug menu and view tagcache info there
16:44:10Arathisprogress: -1% (5161 entries)
16:44:54ArathisSlasheri: weird status
16:46:54Arathiswhen i restart the player it says "creating tagcache (x/13)"
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16:47:47Slasheriok, that sounds normal
16:47:57Slasherithen it should work
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16:48:25Arathisdircache is only usefull for the browser or also for tagcache creation?
16:48:49SlasheriArathis: if dircache is enabled, it should half the time it takes to build the tagcache db
16:48:59Slasheriso it's very useful for tagcache also
16:49:31Arathistoo bad barryisn't here cause i realy don't know if it still freezes the player :/
16:50:27seekerhi all... can someone tell me if there has been some recent improvements on power managemnt on the x5 port?
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16:55:00seekeror to ask another way: is power consumption on x5 comparable with original firmware?
16:56:37ArathisSlasheri: the busy icon in the statusbar is also an indicator if tqagcache has ended or not. just works if nothing else is using the hd though ;)
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16:59:26ArathisSlasheri: got the busy icon thing? i'm quite laggy today :(
17:03:09d1ry4nWhat is the status of a Sansa port (e200)?
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17:06:16dan_a_awayd1ry4n: Difficult! We've not managed to write to the LCD yet, which is the first step towards being able to find out how to make other things work.
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17:10:07d1ry4nIs Sandisk helping?
17:13:42dan_aI believe they provided us with a couple of players including a developers' model, but they can't tell us a lot of things which we need to know either because they don't know or they are under a non-disclosure agreement.
17:14:50Soapthat is the nicest thing I have heard about Sandisk's participation.
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17:15:08SlasheriArathis: yeah, but i don't have that busy icon at all because iriver has a real hd led :)
17:15:09*dan_a should be a diplomat!
17:17:57dan_ad1ry4n: We've now got three people working on the port, but any help is always appreciated :)
17:18:23ArathisSlasheri: the icon is a RB thing, what has that todo with the iriver hardware? or was it just deleted from the code for your player? (h1x0 i asume?)
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17:26:08webguest13is there someone working on recording for ipod?
17:27:09markunI don't think there is
17:29:20d1ry4ndan_a: what specifically is the diffuculty with the LCD. Don't know where to start, or something in particular?
17:29:27markunwebguest13: are you interested in doing it?
17:31:13webguest13no i dont know how to program :(
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17:32:08dan_ad1ry4n: We think we know how to make it work, but it doesn't. We're just missing something - maybe are some steps which we need to do which we haven't done yet. It's just a matter of keeping on trying
17:34:48d1ry4nDan_a: good luck! I'm not an LCD expert or I would put in some effort. I would just be in the way. I do have other embedded experience so I might be able to help in another area. Is there a to do list for Sansa or rockbox in general?
17:37:58SoapFWIW, linuxstb IS working on recording on the ipod.
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17:41:30dan_ad1ry4n: The Sansa list is on the forums at - the things that need doing in Rockbox are either in the Wiki, in Flyspray (our bug/patch/feature request tracker) or in people's heads ;)
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17:43:01Arathis_Bagder: any progress on the building system for CVS? :(
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17:48:45d1ry4nDan_a: Thx. I'll see what I can do to help. I also need to set up a dev environment for this. I'm serious about contributing, but admit I am a bit new (read as slow!).
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17:50:57Soapwoohoo my 5G iPod Battery Benchmark test is going stronger than I expected. I'm at the 11 hour mark currently playing -APS mp3s, and that's on a stock build w/o the 64MB patch to decrease hard drive spinups.
17:50:59dan_aSo am I - I only really started coding a couple of months ago. Fortunately, I find Rockbox code very easy to understand (in the places I've been looking, at least.) There is a lot of information on how to get started with developing in the wiki
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18:19:13linuxstbSoap: Are you planning to benchmark the Apple firmware as well?
18:21:00*ender` yawns
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18:35:09thegeekhas there been any progress on the sandisk port lately?
18:36:06linuxstbScroll up and read what dan_a said about 90 minutes ago..
18:36:10karimlinuxstb, what options do I have do debug asm ?
18:36:24linuxstbNot many...
18:37:09karimstill haven't found that bug ...
18:37:31karimcan it be done with a bdm ?
18:37:44linuxstbDo you have an equivalent C function to your troublesome ASM function?
18:37:55karimlinuxstb, that's what I was going to do
18:38:14karimshouldn't take long
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18:38:38karimshould I try to copy cat the asm code
18:38:51karimor just do what the algorithm is supposed to do ?
18:39:02linuxstbHave other people looked at your ASM code?
18:40:17karimI think amiconn did
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18:40:30linuxstbGenerally, I would debug ASM just by reading the source code and hoping the bug jumps out... Commenting it heavily will help as well.
18:40:31karimlinuxstb, Lear does
18:41:21karimwell the disturbing thing is that it partially works. the key frames are decoded fine.
18:41:46linuxstbI don't know how well you've commented your code, but if you add comments saying what you think the code should be doing, it would be easier for others to spot any bugs.
18:42:04karimbut the next frame after and in the zone where there is moving, a dot at the (0,0) pixel (upper left pixel) appear, and the error propagate on the image.
18:42:12dionoeai'm curious. What are you coding in assembler karim ?
18:42:18iloveOOvhi, is it possible to run the game "monkey island" on an ipod nano with rockbox (i think ive read it somewhere but im not sure if i ve really read it or if its my minds creation xD)
18:42:21karimthe dot appear on each 8x8 intra block
18:42:32karimwich are moving
18:42:40karimdionoea, idct
18:42:53dionoeanice :) what CPU are you doing that for ?
18:42:55karimiloveOOv, there is monkey island ??
18:43:01karimdionoea, coldfire
18:43:09iloveOOvkarim i dont really know
18:43:27dionoeahow much performance increase do you get ?
18:43:57karimaround 1 fps
18:44:02iloveOOvnobody heard about it?
18:44:04karimbut that's not optimal
18:44:34karimI want to have the full idct of one block into the same asm function. also we don't use iram to it's best
18:44:35markuniloveOOv: you could ask in #scummvm if they think a dual ARM 75MHz is fast enough
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18:44:56iloveOOvto run monkey island?
18:45:03markunit should be possible to play it on the gigabeat
18:45:16Arathismarkun: but first rockbox would nead to handle scummv or dos at all, or not?
18:45:18markun(after the rockbox port and if we port scummvm)
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18:45:41markunwell, scummvm will work a lot better than a DOS emulator..
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18:46:29iloveOOvbtw what is the best site to download ipod games?
18:46:40markunis there a site for ipod games?
18:46:53iloveOOvoO dont know
18:46:57Arathiswould be great to have scummv running with rockbox. as well as a c64 emulator. but Monkey Island would be not much fun I think, cause the screens are to smal to read the text
18:47:24ArathisiloveOOv: or do you mean games for rockbox on the ipod?
18:47:40markunArathis: well, you could play the adventures that have Talkie versions..
18:47:46iloveOOvrockbox games are all on the rockbox webiste
18:47:48iloveOOvi think
18:48:10*linuxstb downloads scummvm and sees a C++ application...
18:48:17markunlinuxstb: hm, yes..
18:48:39linuxstbNot fun...
18:50:22markuniloveOOv: maybe it's possible with ipodlinux:
18:51:59Arathismarkun: the only MI titles with sound where 3+4, but 4 was 3d.
18:52:37markunbut you can play DOTT or S&M
18:53:11iloveOOvipodlinux doesnt work with ipod nano actually
18:54:18markunI'm pretty sure it does..
18:54:20linuxstbIt does - when they say "unsupported" it just means it hasn't been released officially. So a similar status to Rockbox for the ipods.
18:58:54Arathiss&m would be great to play on withrockbox :D
18:59:05iloveOOvi fear to use an "unofficial" stuff :)
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18:59:39nlswould scummvm need to be rewritten entirely (to C) to work with rockbox?
18:59:56Arathisi think so
19:00:26Arathisor at least converted. I don't know how much C++ differs
19:00:48nlsthen I think we can stop dreaming because that is a HUGE task
19:03:36linuxstbAn alternative approach would be to make C++ code run in Rockbox, but I've no idea how hard that would be...
19:05:16BHSPitLappythey did that in podzilla2, through the use of a module
19:05:38coobit depends what parts of c++ scumvm uses..
19:05:38BHSPitLappyI suppose it wouldn't be so similar here...
19:05:48karimis it possible to combien MACROS. for exemple let's say I have #define MA1(a,b) a*b; #define MA2 MA1(2,3)
19:06:35karimwell you see what I mean ?
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19:22:38merbananlinuxstb: I think the c++ in scummvm is quite clean from special c++ things
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19:33:01[San]when you are in the recording screen maby you could have a little logo or something telling you what source you are recording from. It might already be implemented but I havent checked the latest build.
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19:49:29barrywardellis the build system still broken?
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19:51:37*Bagder already gave it a kick
20:05:37Arathisseams to work again Bagder. thanks!
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20:05:55BagderI'll fix the automatic "fix" script one of these days
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20:07:28ArathisBagder: only the "(in 6mins 31secs)" doesn't change at all. but if it will build I'm fine with this
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20:07:52Bagderit does change based on previous build times
20:08:15Arathisah, okay
20:08:35Bagderits moving average over the last 4 builds
20:08:55Bagdernow I am off...
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20:10:56ColdtoastI reckon.... there should be a volume limit option in rb as there is in the Apple ipod firmware. Dunno if it's just these earphones but MAN can I pump it up loud
20:11:04Arathisbarrywardell: and the battery status flickers at the last bit. probably just because it drains so fast to actualy say it is 70% or 73% now. (an appendix for my time test some hours ago. you were off before I could write it ;) )
20:11:52barrywardellwhat do you mean by the last bit?
20:11:53Coldtoastbtw.. brilliant job on the vmware debian image :) just compiled rb with the album art patch using vmplayer
20:12:50Arathisbarrywardell: when the status reaches the actual battery capacity.
20:13:23barrywardellah, ok
20:17:52Arathisbarrywardell: instead of resetting the settings after updating to latest CVS can I just load my saved ones?
20:18:30barrywardelli'm not sure if that will work. what you can do, is save your settings, reset them and then load your saved settings again
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20:19:54BigMaccan someone tell me how I could fix my pbar in the first one to look like the second one?
20:21:55Arathisbarrywardell: btw I didn't have had problems with dircache 'cause I hadn't enabled it yet. I just thought I heared about it on the channel
20:22:10Learbigmac: decrease height a little, then move box (in the background image?) to match.
20:22:40barrywardellwell I don't know of any dircache problems anyway.
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20:26:49ArathisI'll look for it
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20:34:05maddog011Arathis, any new builds?
20:34:18Arathisdoesn't seem so :(
20:34:23SoapBigMac - not having seen the WPS code or your images, it appears you need to make the "border" or "frame" of the progress bar bitmap in the first example larger, so that it fully covers all the parts of the progress bar you don't want to see. If I had to guess, I'd say (regarding again the first example) the bitmap is nothing more than a white frame around a transparent inside. You need to either enlarge the white frame so that it fully surrounds the prog
20:34:27maddog011is the last one, we used last night ?
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20:34:42ArathisBagder: cvs.html still says "Build expected to complete around 18:10:10 (in 6mins 31secs)"
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20:35:31barrywardellyeah, looks like the build system is still broken
20:35:59barrywardellthat latest change by me isn't important for anything but the bootloader anyway
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20:37:04mithyronevening folks ... im a total total n00b −−- owner of a archos AV500 for less than a day :) From what I read on the site this device is not yet supported .. is that right ?
20:37:36maddog011mithyron, not atm unfortunatly
20:37:43mithyronah well ..
20:37:55mithyronthanks for the reply maddog011
20:38:14maddog011np :)
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20:38:37SoapBigMac - Ahh, but that is a JBuild specific WPS is it not? If so doesn't one of his patches allow you to change the height of the progress bar? If so then you need to do that.
20:39:28Arathisbarrywardell: is the commit regarding the settings problem?
20:40:02maddog011hm, what about the recording function of the h10
20:40:48maddog011is that tough to make?
20:41:49barrywardellno, there is no real settings problem as such. it's just that my lcd commit added a couple of extra settings (Upside down) and contrast. Whenever settings are added like that, I think it is necessary to reset the settings like that
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20:42:35Arathisso your last commit (bootloader) hasn't anything todo with that?
20:42:35barrywardellmaddog011: haven't looked into it yet. there is work done for recording on the ipod. once that is complete, adapting it for the H10 should be fairly simple
20:43:08maddog011I compiled the code from the cvs today, and had some look at it...
20:43:09barrywardellArathis: nope. it just allow the bootloader to build again. my previous commit caused the build to fail
20:43:13maddog011its complicated as f***
20:43:36maddog011but im trying to figure out what's what, gj for the comments
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20:44:27maddog011its documented preety well, I noticed ur not as sloppy as I am
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20:51:19barrywardellyes, there's a lot of code in Rockbox, and it takes quite a while to figure out how it all fits together
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20:56:23BigMacwasn't someone working on recording for the ipod?
20:57:58barrywardellyes, linuxstb apparently has it working somewhat. but i think he said it still needs more work
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21:04:34BigMacIs there a patch available?
21:05:02linuxstbNot yet. Which ipod do you have?
21:05:23Febs_Note to self: when editing the manual, edit the manual files in rockbox-devel/manual, NOT in rockbox-devel/manualbuild/manual.
21:05:51*Febs_ accidentally overwrote some work today.
21:06:28linuxstbFebs_: I know I should read the manual, but as you're here, I'll ask. Do the ipod installation instructions in the manual tell users to keep a safe backup of their bootpartition.bin file?
21:07:01Febs_One second, I happen to have that file open. I'll check.
21:07:46Febs_linuxstb: yes.
21:07:46linuxstbBigMac: You'll need to build a cable to give you access to the line-in pins in the dock connector before you can record on a 5g anyway.
21:08:03linuxstbFebs_: Good, thanks.
21:08:22BigMacHow complicated would that be
21:08:32BigMacand do you/anyone have a guide on how to do it
21:08:37SoapBigMac - and build/buy a mic amp if you want to record with most microphones.
21:08:37Febs_linuxstb: And since *you're* here, I'll ask rather than looking this up:
21:08:49Febs_Is this the right command to restore the ipod bootloader to original: ipodpatcher -r \emph{N} bootpartition.bin
21:08:58Febs_(ignore the emph)
21:09:04BigMacSoap:mic amp?
21:09:09linuxstbBigMac: and (and probably search the IPL forums...)
21:09:50linuxstbFebs_: No, "-r" is read. You want "-w" to write that backup back to the ipod. It should be the same command as the one at the end of the instructions to write rockboot.bin.
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21:10:15Febs_I'm glad I asked. So it's: ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin
21:10:41barrywardelllinuxstb: any chance of a recording patch so I can have a look at getting it working with the H10?
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21:11:53linuxstbbarrywardell: My code won't apply to current CVS any more - there have been a lot of recording changes since I worked on it. I'll try and resync it as soon as I can and post to the patch tracker.
21:12:04barrywardellcool, thanks
21:12:04amiconnZagor should really update his darn build server
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21:13:08amiconn(and we have a hanging build again, grmph)
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21:19:54SoapThe 5th gen iPod's Hardware EQ is fully in CVS now, is it not? Can I remove that entry from the wiki to-do list?
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21:27:13linuxstbSoap: I would say so.
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21:31:34BigMacthats what i have to make
21:33:37linuxstbMaybe, I can't see anything in that tiny picture...
21:35:41linuxstbDo you have a link to a webpage explaining the picture?
21:36:15linuxstbBut yes, that looks right - you'll at least need a cable like the one you can see in the right of the picture.
21:36:32BigMacOh just the cable?
21:36:38BigMacwhat about those boxes?
21:38:02linuxstbThat cable will give you access to the line-in on your ipod. You can then plug any line-level source into it. If you want a mic, you'll need a pre-amp to increase the levels to line-level - one of those boxes looks like it could be a pre-amp to do that, and the other box in the mic itself.
21:38:04Arathisstill no new builds .. :(
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21:38:59barrywardellArathis: there won't be any new builds until Bagder comes back and fixes the problem
21:39:16BigMacOk so if I make the cable, i can use my computer mic?
21:39:20Arathisdidn't notice he wasn't there
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21:42:16BigMacI hope I don't need those boxes, because they are rather bulky and don't look too user friendly
21:42:28BigMacwhen I could just buy an iTalk
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21:48:55BigMaclinuxstb:you there
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22:09:08larsmhi, when i try to build rockbox in windows with cygwin i get this error:
22:10:32larsmi installed cygwin like discriped in SimpleGuideToCompiling
22:11:22SoapBigMac - the fool who put that mic amp in a metal junction box was just silly.
22:11:47SoapThat box has got to weigh at least 1/4 pound alone.
22:12:01larsmplease help!
22:13:13peturlarsm: you already did make clean and configure again?
22:13:24BigMacSoap:is there an actual guide that will show me how to make this
22:13:29BigMacwith actual steps
22:13:29SoapBigMac - you should be able to fit a stereo (twin) opamps in a 35mm (photographic) film can and then wire that plastic can inline with your cable.
22:13:37BigMacnot just a picture with no description
22:13:50Soapgoogle microphone op-amp line-in
22:14:00BigMacwill do
22:14:01larsmi always delete everything and unpack rockbox again when i got an error
22:14:09Soapor wait for me to publish my schematics when I'm done.
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22:15:22webguest41Soap: would you mind mentioning to A_O that there is a H140 for sale at mistic
22:15:42SoapI was planning on building a 1/8" jacks right into the ipod-dock connectors, to make them more compact, w/o need for that dongle cable shown in the photo you linked.
22:16:01ColdtoastI have a H140 I no longer use actually
22:16:13Soapwebguest41 - when he's back on line?
22:16:37webguest41yep, he's looking for a H140
22:16:43BigMacSoap:none of them have any guides
22:16:44Soapwill do
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22:16:53webguest41and I'm not online at the moment either
22:17:02SoapBigMac - then browse Barns&Noble.
22:17:17barrywardelllarsm: you probably need a coldfire assembler
22:17:19SoapYou can find plenty of books with op-amp plans there.
22:17:29larsmwhere can i get that?
22:17:56SoapI'd give you more details, but I only know what I'm looking for, I have yet to find out specificly how I am going to do it.
22:18:25BigMacSoap:no dice
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22:19:00Soapno dice?
22:19:19BigMacnothing on there
22:19:21barrywardellactually scrap that idea. i see it already compiled some asm
22:20:03larsmim am able to compile it for h120, but it fails for my h340!
22:20:51BigMacSoap:nothing came up
22:21:14Learlarsm: one option is to do a cvs checkout; the source archive isn't complete for the h3x0 target...
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22:21:18SoapThere are sooo many electronic project books at bookstores and libraries, I'd suggest looking there, but if you want hand-holding you are going to need to wait until I get a final design going.
22:21:59BigMacNo I don't want hand holding
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22:22:03SoapNothing came up because you were searching book titles, not at the physical library physically looking through the project books.
22:22:03BigMacI just want a guide
22:22:21barrywardelllarsm: is there a file called lcd-as-h300.S in firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h300?
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22:22:50linuxstb_larsm: I assume you downloaded the source .tar.bz2 file?
22:23:07larsmno the file is not there
22:23:19barrywardellthere's your problem
22:23:21spiorfhi, the mpeg player works only with video with the same size as the screen?
22:23:23BigMacIts rather hard for me to believe that there is no guide on the net for this
22:23:28barrywardellit's not in firmware/FILES
22:23:34linuxstb_barrywardell: See my latest CVS commit.
22:23:40larsmi tryed daily and cvs archive
22:24:19linuxstb_larsm: It was missing - it should be in the next cvs build download. Or you can just checkout the source from CVS yourself.
22:24:20barrywardellhaha. you're quicker than me
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22:24:59larsmi searched the whole file, there is no file lcd-as-h300.*
22:25:26larsmi've never used cvs, il try...
22:25:35barrywardelllarsm, it's not in the zip file you downloaded
22:25:46barrywardellit will be in the next version of that file
22:25:48barrywardelland in cvs
22:26:08larsmthats great, thanks!
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22:26:45SoapBigMac -
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22:27:09leftrightfirst ggogle hit for an mini amp kit and only 19.95
22:29:33linuxstb_spiorf: The mpegplayer should handle different size videos to your screen, but it won't scale them.
22:30:26spiorflinuxstb_, which format are supported?
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22:31:22linuxstb_MPEG-1 and MPEG-2. Currently only raw video streams - no audio.
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22:33:02larsmis there any chance to get scummvm running on h3x0?
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22:37:02linuxstb_dionoea: "char" is unsigned on ARM processors - so your latest CVS commit probably breaks solitaire... It at least generates a warning. You should explicitly use "signed char" if that's what you need, but in most cases, just using "int" is better.
22:37:39dionoeahumm ... i'll add signed then
22:37:51Arathisdoes the build system work again? oO there is no buildtime ..
22:38:14Bagderno build time?
22:38:24Bagder"5mins 51secs" is time
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22:41:35Coldtoasthey. is it possible ont he WPS to set the vertical position of %pb?
22:42:23Learhm.. time to upgrade the sh1 compiler on lillebror?
22:43:37Bagderyeah, zagor's box
22:43:44BagderI've disabled sh on his server for now
22:44:40BigMacdeal Soap?
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23:07:17Arathishad a lag, anything important the last half hour?
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23:10:56ArathisBagder: sry, if you answerd before, but does the build system work again or not?
23:12:23quiksilveryes i believe it works now
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23:42:05Davide-NYCCan 'Power' and 'Hold' actions be invoked in the Simulator?
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23:42:37Davide-NYCAs in the hold switches and ac-adaptor being virtually plugged in?
23:44:25BagderI don't think so
23:45:52Davide-NYCWould that be of any use to anyone?
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23:46:54Davide-NYCWhat about selectable remotes with appropriate keymappings when there are multiple remotes available?
23:47:21Davide-NYC(thinking iRiver H1xx and H3xx series in particular)
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