| 00:00:11 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I would bet money on it being the same PP/Broadcom combination inside. |
| 00:00:36 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:01:01 | Bagder | it'd surprise me if they changed that |
| 00:01:54 | Bagder | I mean given the looks and specs |
| 00:02:02 | linuxstb_ | A new LCD wouldn't surprise me though... |
| 00:02:44 | Bagder | the LCD seems to be changed since they mention a brighter one |
| 00:02:53 | Bagder | but it might still be controlled the same way |
| 00:03:02 | linuxstb_ | gopp: Go on, install Rockbox... |
| 00:05:28 | dionoea | linuxstb_: he doesn't have one :( bad joke |
| 00:05:58 | linuxstb_ | You mean someone lied to me on the internet? |
| 00:06:00 | SeymourGlass | dunno , maybe its just me , but screen seems a bit brighter on full brightness as it used to be |
| 00:07:10 | SeymourGlass | I turn it down to 1/3 of brightness |
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| 00:09:17 | Ave | will rockbox work with the revamped ipod nano product line? |
| 00:09:27 | hardeep | hmmm, ipod video may still be same/similar hardware but it sounds like the nano is different |
| 00:09:33 | Bagder | Ave: possibly, yes |
| 00:09:34 | Ave | "everything is changed but the name" .. really now |
| 00:09:54 | SeymourGlass | who care apod nano, when it reaches at least 20gb mark I might consider it a player |
| 00:09:56 | Ave | if only it was just a cosmetic upgrade |
| 00:10:00 | SeymourGlass | about |
| 00:10:05 | Bagder | I wonder if they went PP5024 on the new nano... |
| 00:10:22 | Ave | well I have 2G nano and its pretty spiffy for the size |
| 00:10:41 | Ave | the "tens of gigs" models are just way too bulky |
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| 00:10:51 | preglow | Bagder: doubt it |
| 00:10:53 | Ave | and fragile |
| 00:10:59 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: That seems unlikely - would need a lot of firmware changes... |
| 00:11:22 | Bagder | I would assume that they mostly need a new set of libs from PP |
| 00:11:28 | Bagder | but you're right, its not likely |
| 00:12:20 | linuxstb_ | I guess we'll find out in the next few days - people are sure to try Rockbox or IPL on them soon (or dissect them and publish photos). |
| 00:12:32 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:12:42 | Bagder | that's the benefit of a high profile player |
| 00:12:53 | preglow | aff |
| 00:12:58 | preglow | i want the bloody runtime issues solved |
| 00:13:14 | preglow | i don't think cpu usage is the only key |
| 00:13:21 | Bagder | me neither |
| 00:13:33 | Bagder | I think its some initializing/HW usage |
| 00:14:08 | Bagder | in a similar style how that was the key to runtime issues on h300 and x5 |
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| 00:14:34 | Arathis | sometimes scrolling goes just till the end and than scrolls back to start and doesn't scroll thourgh. can I make this static? or is it really just when the line isn't long enough and there would be a bigger space? |
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| 00:24:53 | midkay | Arathis: check Bidirectional Scroll Limit in the scrolling menu. |
| 00:25:06 | midkay | i think 0% means it always loops, if that's what you want. |
| 00:25:16 | Arathis | for WPS? |
| 00:25:21 | midkay | everywhere. |
| 00:25:40 | Arathis | sorry, I didn't mention it. I just wanted it a a specific line in the WPS |
| 00:26:00 | midkay | the higher the number, the longer the string can be before it decides to loop it.. e.g. 25% means that the string can be 25% wider than the LCD and it will go back and forth, otherwise loop.. |
| 00:26:04 | midkay | for one line? you can't do that. |
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| 00:30:11 | webguest58 | hello... |
| 00:30:59 | midkay | hello... |
| 00:31:00 | Arathis | midkay: I think some works on the WPS creation is still needed :( |
| 00:31:42 | midkay | Arathis: most definitely.. but it's very flexible as-is, i'm not aware of any other player that lets you change a single thing about the playing screen :) why do you need that, can i ask? |
| 00:32:13 | webguest58 | excuse me, but how can i install boot loader for H-10 20 Gb? there is no info in manual =( |
| 00:32:27 | midkay | webguest08: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port |
| 00:33:09 | webguest58 | ok, thks |
| 00:33:47 | midkay | np. |
| 00:33:54 | Arathis | midkay: for usability issues. I have a line for next track lformated "artist - track" and with normal scrolling it isn't that good to read because the space between ending and start is quite short |
| 00:35:00 | midkay | you could always put a few spaces after the %ia - %it, e.g. "%ia - %it " so that there's a larger space when it does scroll, and when it doesn't scroll you can't see the spaces.. |
| 00:35:04 | Arathis | also positioning of progressbar isn't as fexible as I'd like it to be. only full line positioning for text at all isn't that designerfriendly too. :/ |
| 00:35:40 | midkay | Arathis: right, that aspect is hard because the WPS is entirely line-based otherwise.. making the progress bar x/y positionable introduces a bit of confusion i think.. that and it simply hasn't been done :) |
| 00:35:57 | midkay | entirely line-based except for bitmaps, that is.. |
| 00:36:19 | Arathis | tried that, but then when a artist+track text is short enough not to scrall even with the spaces at the end and align is center its left and lokks terrible.. |
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| 00:36:42 | midkay | align center, i see... |
| 00:37:02 | midkay | no way out really then.. i also agree that the space is too short though. that should be changed globally.. |
| 00:37:05 | Arathis | progressbar isn't x/y positionable. only line, hight and x1-x2 ;) |
| 00:37:07 | midkay | what about a space on each side or so? |
| 00:37:19 | midkay | Arathis: exactly, that's why i said it'd be a problem to MAKE it x/y positionable. :) |
| 00:37:31 | Arathis | ahh ^^ |
| 00:37:34 | mirak_ | amiconn: I get 0,4 fps in plus by doing the trick of inverting row and columns I talked about |
| 00:38:03 | midkay | Arathis: so, have you tried a space on each side? " %ia - %it ". |
| 00:38:15 | midkay | they should cancel each other out.. |
| 00:39:25 | Arathis | midkay: for my WPS I had a square where current trackinfo is shown and I wanted it to be 3px from screenborder left and right which worked cause it's an image, but the text scrolled over the square border xD |
| 00:40:01 | midkay | Arathis: aha.. those borders are also tricky.. but that's an entirely different problem from not having a far enough distance between a looping line.. :) |
| 00:40:04 | Arathis | ..but would make small text scroll just because of the spaces. I'll leave it as is for now |
| 00:40:32 | midkay | Arathis: it'd have to be so close to being long enough to scroll that you wouldn't even notice.. |
| 00:40:44 | midkay | a space is only a few pixels. |
| 00:41:17 | Arathis | if my tracks all had the same name that would work, but the are named too different to work like this everytime |
| 00:41:38 | Arathis | one pixel sometimes is even too much ;) |
| 00:41:43 | midkay | huh? two spaces total means the same exact distance regardless of the length of the name.. |
| 00:41:48 | Arathis | woo, bad grammer .. |
| 00:42:08 | midkay | so you're saying that you can tell if one pixel is causing the line to scroll? why does it matter then? |
| 00:42:16 | Arathis | was speaking about the scrollproblem coming with this |
| 00:42:27 | midkay | and the scrollproblem is.. what? |
| 00:42:40 | Arathis | what you said right now |
| 00:43:09 | Arathis | a bit complicated. perhaps I'm already too tired right now. sry |
| 00:43:31 | midkay | a one-pixel difference? but my point is why does it matter? if it's only one pixel away from having to scroll, what's the problem with scrolling it? :) |
| 00:45:16 | Arathis | no, I ment it could be one pixel above scrolling so it scrolls one pixel left and back again |
| 00:45:40 | Arathis | discussion in a foreign language when being tired can be confusing .. |
| 00:46:21 | Arathis | btw: you can't change the font for one line, do you? .. |
| 00:46:47 | nudelyn | the "this is part of a gapless album" tag in itunes doesn't seem to be needed for gapless playback of the album if crossfading is disabled globally. probably does just disable crossfading when playing the album, if crossfading is turned on globally. |
| 00:46:58 | Bagder | Arathis: nope |
| 00:47:11 | Arathis | hmpf |
| 00:47:28 | amiconn | mirak_: (1) That's with the idct block in IRAM or DRAM? (2) How many fps do you reach now (and with what video)? |
| 00:47:49 | mirak_ | that's with dct block still in sdram |
| 00:47:56 | mirak_ | on a video of mine |
| 00:48:16 | mirak_ | not full screen, that's 16/9 |
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| 00:48:36 | mirak_ | I doubt we can ever have a full screen video at 25fps :-/ |
| 00:48:39 | Arathis | my playback time is on pixel on top within the bottom of my progressbar and if I place it one line below it just doesn't look right. And because I can't place the prograssbar where I want there is no solution for this :( |
| 00:48:54 | nudelyn | gah, used to the rockbox controls, keep skipping tracks when i mean to enter menus :) |
| 00:50:03 | midkay | Arathis: if you set Bidirectional Scroll Limit to 0%, no line will ever scroll back and forth. :) |
| 00:50:14 | linuxstb_ | mirak: What FPS do you get with your video with the CVS version of Rockbox? |
| 00:52:39 | mirak_ | amiconn: ok using the movem as much as possible including loading all row in one shot gave 1 fps boost. |
| 00:52:57 | mirak_ | linuxstb: something around 13.5 |
| 00:52:59 | Arathis | okay, scaled the progressbar, now progresbar and tracktime touch each other but won't cross :) |
| 00:53:08 | mirak_ | I mean the peak at some point in the video |
| 00:53:19 | Arathis | wee. just finished my first WPS :D |
| 00:53:22 | mirak_ | I get 2 fps overall |
| 00:53:36 | mirak_ | with all the asm, and without iram for the block. |
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| 00:54:48 | mirak_ | is there a shift that rotate bits ? |
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| 00:58:25 | mirak_ | linuxstb: the yuv to rgb could benefit of asm a lot |
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| 01:01:02 | amiconn | mirak_: It would be more interesting to know the speedup with the idct block in iram |
| 01:01:40 | amiconn | I guess that's what we want, as it gives more speedup than the asm idct by itself |
| 01:01:55 | amiconn | And the yuv->rgb conversion is already assembler optimised |
| 01:02:03 | amiconn | lcd_yuv_blit() in the core |
| 01:04:22 | amiconn | mirak_: Coldfire has no bit rotation instruction, unlike cisc m68k |
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| 01:05:42 | Arathis | how can I make screendump in the UIsim? or do I need to make a screenshot? |
| 01:07:47 | linuxstb_ | Just press F5 |
| 01:08:05 | Landus | Gotta question. |
| 01:08:21 | Landus | Under the debug menu, what does screendump do? |
| 01:08:34 | Arathis | linuxstb: thanks! |
| 01:09:13 | linuxstb_ | Landus: It turns on screendump mode - screendumps are then made whenever you insert the usb cable. |
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| 01:09:29 | Landus | Ah. |
| 01:09:35 | Landus | Where are they put? |
| 01:10:12 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
| 01:10:23 | Landus | Thanks. |
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| 01:14:13 | Landus | Is there a way to make changes to ID3 tags with Rockbox? |
| 01:14:15 | Wallakoala | can someone tell me real quick: is video supported on the ipod w/ video yet? |
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| 01:15:54 | thick | hello |
| 01:15:54 | thick | does anyone know some good resources where i can get a nice themes for my h340? |
| 01:16:10 | scorche | thick: the wiki |
| 01:16:12 | thick | that are fully compatable with a RockBox Daily CVS firmware |
| 01:16:50 | scorche | Wallakoala: it is beginning to be fully supported...atm it only supports m2v files, but it is a work in progress |
| 01:17:07 | Landus | Wallakoala: I believe there's limited MPEG support with Rockbox, but it's nothing worth bragging and sound doesn't work. |
| 01:17:27 | thick | i downloaded many |
| 01:17:27 | thick | but they looks ugly |
| 01:17:34 | thick | ;-/ |
| 01:17:41 | scorche | then find one that doesnt |
| 01:17:43 | * | scorche shrugs |
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| 01:18:24 | thick | scorche, yea, i've checked it |
| 01:18:42 | scorche | well, that is *the* place for them |
| 01:18:57 | thick | ) |
| 01:19:00 | Arathis | thick: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300#iriver_H3x0_iPod_Color_Photo_24B and http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=220x176x16 |
| 01:19:08 | scorche | if you find that none of those fit your taste, you can always make your own |
| 01:19:15 | thick | thanks for the second url |
| 01:19:16 | thick | :) |
| 01:20:19 | thick | yes, i know that, but im too lazy |
| 01:20:24 | thick | for doing it |
| 01:20:24 | thick | :) |
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| 01:21:25 | Landus | thick: I use a patched status window on my iriver so I can run a decent theme/custom WPS/backdrop that's meant for iPods running Rockbox. |
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| 01:21:53 | Landus | Actually, I haven't updated in several months, so as soon as the recent build is done downloading, I'm going to start fiddling around. |
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| 01:23:19 | thick | Landus, actually what build you are using? |
| 01:23:24 | thick | not a cvs? |
| 01:23:24 | Landus | Let me check. |
| 01:23:29 | thick | so u build it by urself? |
| 01:23:52 | Landus | Build from July 28th this year. |
| 01:23:54 | Landus | Yeah. |
| 01:24:06 | Landus | I download the source, apply the patches, then build it. |
| 01:25:13 | thick | hm, daily rockbox cvs version doesn't include them? |
| 01:25:42 | Landus | CVS is bleeding edge. There may be problems. I don't use the CVS versions. |
| 01:26:17 | thick | i thought cvs and bleeding edge versions are not the same |
| 01:26:50 | Landus | CVS and bleeding edge versions are the same. |
| 01:27:05 | Landus | When you get the CVS version, you get the most current, up-to-date version there is. |
| 01:27:17 | thick | i mean builds |
| 01:27:23 | Landus | Which also may have inherent bugs and problems that haven't been noticed. |
| 01:28:24 | thick | so patches are external? |
| 01:29:32 | Landus | Yes. |
| 01:29:48 | Landus | It makes changes to the source. |
| 01:31:39 | Arathis | do I need to register at the wiki just for uploading a theme? and how can I upload at rockbox-themes.org? |
| 01:32:34 | scorche | Arathis: you need to register to make any changes, so yes...or get someone else to do it for you |
| 01:33:06 | Arathis | could someone upload a the for me in the wiki? :) |
| 01:33:43 | scorche | PM me with all relevant details |
| 01:34:24 | scorche | although, it doesnt hurt much to register...and then you can make whatever changes whenever =) |
| 01:34:42 | Arathis | point taken ;) |
| 01:35:50 | Arathis | but how can I upload at rockbox-themes.org? |
| 01:36:01 | scorche | just come back with your name so we can give you write priviledges |
| 01:36:11 | scorche | not sure...i have never dealt with that site |
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| 01:43:17 | Arathis | scorche: DirkBierfeld is the name :) |
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| 01:45:37 | Landus | Hrm. |
| 01:46:33 | Landus | Apparently, the change_status_bar_height patch isn't being developed anymore. Because of this, does anyone know how to change the position of the statusbar? |
| 01:46:53 | scorche | Arathis: all set |
| 01:46:59 | Landus | I'd look myself, but my C coding skills are nothing worth mentioning. |
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| 01:47:40 | Arathis | scorche: thanks |
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| 01:58:16 | Arathis | I have the following tag combo: %ar%pp/%pe |
| 01:58:46 | Arathis | but I can't figure out how to get this off the display border |
| 01:59:20 | Arathis | tried to ad some spaces bhind it though that worked for %ar%pt , but it doesn't |
| 01:59:25 | Arathis | any suggestions? |
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| 02:01:12 | Landus | Hrm. |
| 02:06:00 | Arathis | sry, %ar%pt didn't work either |
| 02:07:15 | Landus | Dammit. |
| 02:07:27 | Landus | I can't figure out why this patch won't change the statusbar height. |
| 02:11:25 | Arathis | oh, now it works again oO |
| 02:12:48 | newby | ah |
| 02:12:49 | newby | crap |
| 02:12:49 | newby | wrong name |
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| 02:28:14 | Landus | Now I'm pissed. |
| 02:28:23 | Soap | go on |
| 02:28:30 | Landus | That one forum mod. |
| 02:28:46 | Landus | That keeps on getting 'topic locking happy'. |
| 02:29:07 | Landus | I've seen him lock topics for rather retarded reasons, but never had a reason to say anything until now. |
| 02:29:08 | Soap | ? |
| 02:29:19 | Landus | Now, he's effecting me and problems I'm having with the Iriver source. |
| 02:29:28 | Soap | a |
| 02:29:31 | Soap | not e |
| 02:29:35 | Landus | Yeah. |
| 02:29:40 | Landus | Noticed as soon as I typed it. |
| 02:29:40 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:29:44 | Landus | Someone really needs to remove him as a mod. |
| 02:30:48 | Soap | You posted a patching question in the Install forum. |
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| 02:30:57 | Landus | It isn't an install forum. |
| 02:31:17 | Landus | Or just specifically that. |
| 02:31:37 | Landus | My question pertains to JUST the Iriver source. Hence, why it's under the Iriver sub-forum. |
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| 02:31:59 | Soap | it IS an install forum. |
| 02:32:10 | Landus | - Getting Started / Installation / Removal |
| 02:32:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Installation |
| 02:33:09 | Soap | from the "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" sticky post |
| 02:33:11 | Soap | "This forum is for topics relating to the installation of Rockbox on Iriver models only. Once you have booted Rockbox succesfully, you should voice your concerns in other forums." |
| 02:33:20 | Landus | That's a load of bull. |
| 02:33:27 | Soap | read by 266 people. Landus, you obviously aren't one of those 266. |
| 02:33:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's a load of bull? |
| 02:33:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | That there are rules? |
| 02:33:36 | Landus | No. Those rules. |
| 02:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, those rules were proposed several months ago |
| 02:33:56 | Landus | I've been asking questions posting replies for several months. |
| 02:33:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | They were stickied in the old general discussion before the reorganization |
| 02:34:07 | Landus | Maybe one of them related to installing. |
| 02:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | They went into affect after the reorganization |
| 02:34:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | You *did* notice the reorganization right? |
| 02:34:18 | Landus | The rest were Iriver specific questions. |
| 02:34:30 | Landus | Now I'm beginning to see why the forums on MisticRiver are more active that the ones at rockbox. |
| 02:34:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have exactly 8 posts |
| 02:34:37 | Landus | I used PM's. |
| 02:34:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, what to PMs have to do with forum subsections? |
| 02:35:15 | Landus | You asked that question. |
| 02:35:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity, if you have problems with Windows on a Dell computer, and you installed windows yourself, do you contact Dell, or Microsoft for support? |
| 02:35:20 | Landus | You come up with an answer. |
| 02:35:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | "(7:33:51 PM) Landus: I've been asking questions posting replies for several months." |
| 02:35:34 | Landus | You could contact either. |
| 02:35:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | "posting" replies |
| 02:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's an actual Windows problem, you should look for Windows help first. |
| 02:36:08 | Landus | Ah. So now you're going to be a literal pain in the ass. |
| 02:36:17 | Soap | omg |
| 02:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I'm saying that I can't read the *intent* of what you say. I have to read what you say. |
| 02:36:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, I can't read minds. |
| 02:36:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Similar to your inability to read rules. |
| 02:36:37 | Landus | Then don't start trying. |
| 02:36:52 | Landus | Oh. I can read them. |
| 02:36:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whether you agree with the rules or not, by posting in our forums you've agreed to abide by them. |
| 02:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you don't abide by them, your posts will be locked. |
| 02:37:01 | Landus | But I know they're a load of bull. |
| 02:37:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's fairly simple. |
| 02:37:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why is it a load of bull? |
| 02:37:12 | Landus | It's why inactivity on the forums is decreasing. |
| 02:37:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Your question wasn't actually iRiver specfic |
| 02:37:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | specific |
| 02:37:23 | Landus | Yes. It was. |
| 02:37:31 | Landus | Go load the source for an iPod. |
| 02:37:33 | Landus | Then Iriver. |
| 02:37:41 | Landus | That's why it was under Iriver. |
| 02:37:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | "load the source" doesn't mean anything |
| 02:38:13 | Landus | I've seen questions similar to mine asked before under the Iriver sub-topic and no one started causing waves. |
| 02:38:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | And "inactivity" is a load of bull. August, the month after the reorganization, had 1100 more posts than July |
| 02:38:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: REORGANIZATION. Perhaps you missed it. It's no the same "iRiver" subforum as before. |
| 02:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why there's a POSTING IN THIS FORUM post, and wasn't before. |
| 02:39:04 | Landus | How many posts were about the status of the reorganization, rather than actual questions. |
| 02:39:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Less than 50 |
| 02:39:39 | Landus | Ha. |
| 02:39:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, go find me 1100 questions about the reorganization. |
| 02:40:06 | Landus | I never said all 1100 were about the reorganization. |
| 02:40:12 | Landus | Please stop putting words in my mouth, thanks. |
| 02:40:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I never said you did. |
| 02:40:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So stop putting words in mine. |
| 02:40:22 | Landus | Yes. You just did. |
| 02:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I told you to find 1100 posts about it |
| 02:40:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | That doesn't say "you said there were 1100 posts about it" now does it? |
| 02:40:48 | Landus | Yes. It does. |
| 02:40:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | How? |
| 02:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't see the word "said" anywhere |
| 02:40:58 | Landus | Otherwise, you wouldn't have asked the question. |
| 02:41:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe my question had another purpose? |
| 02:41:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Perhaps if you think about it, you'll see it |
| 02:41:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It relates to the original topic of the forum inactivity increasing. |
| 02:41:33 | Landus | Yes. Of course. |
| 02:41:48 | Landus | It's the dozens of topics being locked and being started again! |
| 02:42:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | The dozens of topics wouldn't ever be locked if people followed the rules. |
| 02:42:09 | Landus | Whether or not there's rules on it, the forums have gotten extremely retarded. |
| 02:42:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are rule breaches supposed to be ignored? |
| 02:42:22 | Landus | It's against the law to download music and movies. |
| 02:42:27 | Landus | Do people still ignore those laws? |
| 02:42:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hate to tell you, but on average people who've spoken up about the new rules and reorganization have been in favour of it. |
| 02:42:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is *especially* beneficial to people who actually use the forums to find and collate bug reports. |
| 02:43:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: And the people who do ignore those laws shouldn't complain if they actually get busted for it. |
| 02:43:15 | Landus | Few have. |
| 02:43:20 | Landus | Actually, my mistake. |
| 02:43:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | By posting in our forums, you agree to the rules. You lose any sympathy from me. |
| 02:43:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you don't like the rules, leave. |
| 02:43:34 | Landus | I agreed to the way it used to work. |
| 02:43:41 | Landus | There weren't any troubles. |
| 02:43:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | There were plenty of troubles |
| 02:44:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | For one, people would frequently bring up playback issues that affected all targets in multiple places because nobody realized the playback code, much like the UI code, is cross platform |
| 02:44:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | The idea of the existing forums is that the vast majority of the source is cross platform, and should be discussed based on what the code tries to DO, not what it's doing it ON. |
| 02:45:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you'd posted yours in the UI customization area, anyone who knows the UI code could've responded. |
| 02:45:09 | Landus | When a topic is locked because of a pathetic reason as mine was, there's a problem. |
| 02:45:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | A pathetic reason? |
| 02:45:20 | Landus | Yes. |
| 02:45:27 | scorche | oh wow... |
| 02:45:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | "You didn't follow the POSTING IN THIS FORUM" is a pathetic reason how? |
| 02:45:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you knowingly break the rules, or did you not know the rules? |
| 02:46:01 | Landus | Uh. |
| 02:46:10 | Landus | Go look at all the topics under the Iriver subtopic. |
| 02:46:11 | nudelyn | Can't you move topics to the right place? Or is that not possible with the forum software? |
| 02:46:13 | Landus | Not all of them are about installing. |
| 02:46:24 | Landus | So don't give me that excuse. |
| 02:46:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudelyn: It's plenty possible, and I'll move them if it's clear that the person misunderstood where it belongs. But this isn't such a case. |
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| 02:46:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Many of them are also about running the software from Flash Memory. |
| 02:46:47 | nudelyn | fair enough. i don't know the details |
| 02:47:04 | Landus | Even if I did agree, my topic wasn't moved. |
| 02:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: And this isn't about those posts. This is about yours. Some of those posts are grandfathered, or various other reasons. |
| 02:47:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: As I said, yours wasn't moved because it was clearly a case of you not even bothering to try to put it in the right place |
| 02:47:34 | Landus | Yeah. Another forum that's hit rock bottom. |
| 02:47:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | A post that would be moved would, for example, be one that has problems with "Voice" and puts it in "Playback" because they thought the audio in voice was a playback issue |
| 02:48:05 | Landus | The problem was specific to the Iriver source. |
| 02:48:14 | Landus | There isn't another subtopic that deals with the Iriver source. |
| 02:48:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is no "iRiver source" |
| 02:48:21 | Landus | Yes. There is. |
| 02:48:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is the "Rockbox source" which has iRiver specific portions of it. |
| 02:48:36 | Landus | Oh bloody hell. |
| 02:48:52 | Landus | That doesn't even deserve a response. |
| 02:49:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it in an #ifdef block that makes it only compile for iRiver targets? |
| 02:49:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because I seriously doubt there's coldfire-specific status bar cod.e |
| 02:49:36 | scorche | Landus: ever considered the compiling and development forums? |
| 02:49:36 | Landus | Nope. Settings, statusbar, and several other things are different depending on what DAP is used. |
| 02:50:00 | Landus | After this, I doubt I'll ever look at the rockbox forums again. |
| 02:50:05 | Mikachu | what a loss |
| 02:50:09 | Landus | I've had better luck with MisticRiver in the past. |
| 02:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh no. I'm crying. Really. |
| 02:50:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | The "Compiling" forum is there for source-code related questions |
| 02:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | ALL of them. |
| 02:50:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Here's the kicker. Rockbox is written in C |
| 02:50:46 | Landus | No. Really. |
| 02:50:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even if someone doesn't have your DAP, they can read the C and figure out what it's doing, and change it |
| 02:50:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Meaning iPod users can quite easily help you with your problem, even if it really *does* only apply to iRivers. |
| 02:51:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why the compiling forum *doesn't* have platform specific questions |
| 02:51:18 | Landus | They could, but the problem is still Iriver specific. |
| 02:51:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 02:51:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is with the Rockbox source. |
| 02:51:28 | Landus | Yes. |
| 02:51:31 | Landus | Goddamn it. |
| 02:51:36 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:51:39 | Landus | If I was using an iPod, I wouldn't be having this problem. |
| 02:51:45 | Landus | So don't tell me no. |
| 02:51:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because the patch exists for it? |
| 02:51:48 | midkay | Landus: what is the problem then? |
| 02:52:02 | midkay | what sort of problem only affects one device? |
| 02:52:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: He wants to use jBlackGlass |
| 02:52:17 | Landus | Trying to change the position of the statusbar, and nothing I've done has made any difference. |
| 02:52:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which, by the way, requires a patch on iPods too |
| 02:52:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | But he seems to have missed that. |
| 02:52:48 | midkay | so what's the problem with posting this in a general source code help forum? there are no iriver boards for it, so put it there. that's why we have it. |
| 02:53:10 | Landus | I'm done debating how my mind works. |
| 02:53:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't matter how yours works. |
| 02:53:18 | Mikachu | not? |
| 02:53:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It matters how ours does. |
| 02:53:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, they're not your forums. |
| 02:53:41 | Landus | Yeah. That's why several decent people aren't active there anymore. |
| 02:53:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | This forum redesign was put up for discussion months ago |
| 02:53:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | There was *plenty* of time to offer objections. |
| 02:54:02 | Landus | I didn't know it was going to be run like a police state. |
| 02:54:09 | * | Mikachu mentions basements and leopards |
| 02:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: If you consider yourself a "decent" person, I don't think I'll miss them. |
| 02:54:09 | Landus | If I had, I would've. |
| 02:54:13 | * | scorche recalls the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy |
| 02:54:13 | midkay | Landus: what exactly about the problem REQUIRES you to put it in an iriver board? now, not only will iriver devs look at it, but EVERYBODY. |
| 02:54:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: "Police state" meaning "We enforce the rules that we post"? |
| 02:54:32 | Landus | Yes. Exactly. |
| 02:54:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sorry, but it's somewhat inconceivable that we'd post rules then consciously ignore violations of them. |
| 02:55:20 | Landus | If your going to have an Iriver subtopic, don't have it right there in the middle of the forum. |
| 02:55:33 | midkay | it clearly says "getting started/installation".. |
| 02:55:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: There's also a handy "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" topic. |
| 02:55:47 | Landus | Have you given it thought that perhaps newcomers are going to have the "Oh, I own <insert DAP model here>! I guess my question goes here." |
| 02:55:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | The posting guidelines for the whole forums tell you to read those before posting. |
| 02:56:16 | Landus | No one reads them because posting guidelines are common sense. |
| 02:56:21 | midkay | Landus: so paul corrected your mistake, and now you're complaining. Now You Know, so get over it and put it where it belongs, hm? |
| 02:56:22 | Landus | You don't have obscure rules. |
| 02:56:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: The rules aren't obscure. It's stickied and in all caps |
| 02:56:42 | Landus | Yes. They are. |
| 02:56:44 | Mikachu | not reading guidelines and then complaining is just plain old stupid |
| 02:56:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: And the Getting Started / Installation is on the front page as the category for those forums |
| 02:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The category headers aren't just "fluff" |
| 02:57:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Overlooking the rules is understandable though |
| 02:57:14 | midkay | Landus: i can see making the mistake. i can't see learning the mistake you made and complaining on IRC about it instead of learning from it. |
| 02:57:22 | Landus | Yes. You do. |
| 02:57:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Complaining when you get called on it, instead of just saying "Oops, I missed the rules" and putting it in the right spot next time, is NOT acceptable behaviour though |
| 02:57:34 | Landus | But everyone's making a big stink about it. |
| 02:57:41 | Landus | It was the way it was went about. |
| 02:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | What, I locked the post, because it was clearly in the wrong place. |
| 02:58:40 | * | midkay likes the way Landus went about "we need to get that guy removed from mod status because he corrected one of my mistakes"... |
| 02:58:45 | Landus | If it's just installing only, the line above subtopics for each model shoudn't say Getting Started / Installation / Removal |
| 02:58:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I move the post, if you have it bookmarked or watched, you can go back to it without ever knowing it was moved |
| 02:59:04 | midkay | it's for getting started, installation, and removal. it is NOT for coding or patching problems.. |
| 02:59:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about programming has to do with any of those three? |
| 02:59:21 | Landus | Getting Started. |
| 02:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 02:59:43 | scorche | programming is advanced material...far from "getting started" |
| 02:59:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very, very far. |
| 02:59:49 | Landus | I'm done with this. |
| 02:59:55 | Mikachu | finally |
| 02:59:57 | midkay | haha. because people who want to Get Started with rockbox reaally wanna learn how to modify the source.. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | At this point it's quite clear you're just trying to make excuses. |
| 03:00:24 | Landus | Nope. I'm going to make it quite simple. |
| 03:00:37 | Mikachu | i thought you said you were done :( |
| 03:00:37 | midkay | and three forums down i see "Getting started and compiling".. now i wonder which suits the problem better.. |
| 03:00:54 | Landus | It is your forum. Unfortunatly, if the majority of people using Rockbox don't like the way it's run, it won't be as popular as it should be. |
| 03:01:02 | scorche | have you taken a poll? |
| 03:01:05 | midkay | majority of people, or one user with a grudge?.. |
| 03:01:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I've said, more people have complimented the new layout than spoken against it. |
| 03:01:37 | Landus | I know I'm not the only user disgusted. |
| 03:01:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | And so far, you're the second person who's actually spoken to us about it and not eventually realized the redesign was much more efficient |
| 03:01:54 | Landus | Because anyone that speaks against it will get this. |
| 03:02:04 | Mikachu | what is "this"? |
| 03:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: You're not speaking out against the design. You're speaking out against the fact that we enforced it. |
| 03:02:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a big difference |
| 03:02:18 | nudelyn | So you knew it was the wrong place to post it already? If not how can you have know other people want to post things in the wrong place? |
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| 03:02:28 | jdGordon|Uni | hey all |
| 03:02:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you came in here and said "Guys, I really don't like the new forum layout and rules" we might have listened |
| 03:02:32 | Landus | Yes. Because you run it like a grammar Nazi calls someone on crappy spelling. |
| 03:02:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you came in and complained about the fact that your post was actually *subject* to the rules |
| 03:02:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Guess what: MANY of our users depend on machine translation or text readers |
| 03:03:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bad spelling makes the forums *vastly* harder for them to use |
| 03:03:07 | Mikachu | Landus: a grammar nazi complains about grammar, not spelling. that would be a spelling nazi. |
| 03:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | And anyone can have good spelling if they try |
| 03:03:22 | Landus | That's the proper term. |
| 03:03:26 | * | Mikachu does his best to help the situation |
| 03:03:33 | Landus | But you hear grammar Nazi the most. |
| 03:03:40 | Landus | You still understand what I'm referring to. |
| 03:03:40 | nudelyn | made me laugh Mikachu :) |
| 03:03:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, "Nazi" in this context is never the proper term |
| 03:03:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since it's actually referring to a specific political party that has nothing to do with grammar or spelling |
| 03:04:19 | Mikachu | it is perhaps a humoristic reference to the fact that they would kill anyone who disagreed with them |
| 03:04:25 | Landus | True, but you still understand the example. |
| 03:04:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the thing is, we ask people to watch their spelling to make the forums more usable by everyone |
| 03:04:31 | Landus | You're just trying your best to deface it. |
| 03:04:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it really *harmful* to you to try to spell properly? |
| 03:04:41 | Landus | No. That's where your wrong. |
| 03:04:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | "you're" |
| 03:04:54 | Landus | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 03:05:00 | Landus | You're trying to make them more useable for yourself. |
| 03:05:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Myself? |
| 03:05:06 | Landus | And those that use them the most. |
| 03:05:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I speak English natively, and can read the screen |
| 03:05:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can decipher and understand nearly every post in there. |
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| 03:05:33 | Landus | Rockbox is open-source, and depends on new users. |
| 03:05:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm trying to make it usable by the blind and those who don't speak English natively. |
| 03:05:38 | Nuky | hmm |
| 03:05:39 | Nuky | hai |
| 03:05:40 | Nuky | :O |
| 03:05:47 | Landus | If someone asks a question in the wrong forum and instantly gets it locked. |
| 03:05:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: They also get told *why* it's locked. |
| 03:05:59 | Landus | Do you think they're going to continue to try and use the program. |
| 03:06:00 | Nuky | umm |
| 03:06:12 | Nuky | i have a question about rockbox |
| 03:06:13 | Nuky | :/ |
| 03:06:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: It's common etiquette upon entering a forum to read its rules. |
| 03:06:20 | scorche | Nuky: feel free to ask |
| 03:06:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nuky: Go ahead. I can help you while arguing with him. :) |
| 03:06:29 | Landus | Yeah. That might make you feel better, but it doesn't help the user that's now probably upset along with confused. |
| 03:06:34 | Nuky | is it possible that it can fuck up my ipod? |
| 03:06:46 | Mikachu | only you can do that :) |
| 03:06:49 | Landus | ^ |
| 03:06:54 | Nuky | hm |
| 03:06:56 | scorche | Landus: how is the user confused?...he gets told why it was locked |
| 03:06:58 | Nuky | is it easy to install |
| 03:07:00 | Mikachu | don't pay too much attention to me |
| 03:07:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: One thing you might have noticed is that in *many* cases, I'll answer the question and move the topic, especially if it's clearly a new-user type question. |
| 03:07:11 | Landus | But you didn't. |
| 03:07:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: You seem to be judging the whole system based upon your experiences with it. |
| 03:07:25 | Landus | Nope. I've seen other people become irritated. |
| 03:07:39 | Landus | I've heard people come into #misticriver and complain a few times. |
| 03:07:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other people who also didn't follow the rules? |
| 03:07:46 | Landus | Note, that channel isn't on FreeNode. |
| 03:08:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | If they want the rules changed, perhaps they should actually start a topic in general discussion voicing how they think they could be improved. |
| 03:08:14 | Landus | Yes. Because your rules are retarted and poorly thought out with the current way the topics are set up. |
| 03:08:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, they had months of time to offer suggestions on the concept we posted. |
| 03:08:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | The rules have a goal, which is to put discussion where *we* feel it belongs |
| 03:08:47 | Landus | Which is my point. |
| 03:09:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | "We" being primarily those people who designed the software, and know it best, and what topics discussion of it most likely belongs divided into. |
| 03:09:07 | Landus | What 'we' feels is pointless, because 'we' isn't new people using Rockbox. |
| 03:09:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The core developers were a source of primary feedback on this reorganization. |
| 03:09:27 | Mikachu | where did you get the idea that new people are important in any way? |
| 03:09:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, what does this have to do with new people at all? |
| 03:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Your post was clearly not a new-people post. |
| 03:09:49 | * | Mikachu puts on his "i don't represent anyone" hat |
| 03:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | And honestly, it's rare that I get an "installation" question in the wrong place |
| 03:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is what a "new people" post is. |
| 03:09:59 | Landus | Nope. Not really. I actually did this on purpose just to see what would happen. |
| 03:10:10 | Landus | I had every intention of asking on MisticRiver later. |
| 03:10:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | You intentionally broke the rules, to see if you would get called on it? |
| 03:10:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good job, we enforce them. |
| 03:10:22 | Landus | Yes. Just so I could point out what I'm saying. |
| 03:10:28 | Mikachu | that you are an idiot? |
| 03:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | That was rather silly of you. |
| 03:10:32 | Landus | Yes. You enforce them. And your going to drive people away. |
| 03:10:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would be easier to say "Hey, guys, you actually enforce your new rules. I don't like it." |
| 03:10:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drive people away? |
| 03:10:52 | Landus | Enforcing them is besides the point. |
| 03:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do we *want* people that can't deal with the fact that we enforce rules? |
| 03:11:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most people can rather easily say "Oops, there are rules" and then follow them. |
| 03:11:05 | scorche | <Landus> Yes. You enforce them. And your going to drive people away. |
| 03:11:10 | scorche | besides the point? |
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| 03:11:17 | Landus | Dude. Get off the 'enforcing rules' thought. That isn't the big problem. |
| 03:11:32 | Landus | It's getting a bit annoying too. |
| 03:11:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you don't like the rules, offer up better ones. |
| 03:11:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you even know what the focus of our redesign was? |
| 03:12:04 | Landus | ... |
| 03:12:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you? |
| 03:12:17 | Landus | IT ISN'T THE BLOODY RULES. PLEASE STOP MAKING ME REPEAT MYSELF. |
| 03:12:21 | Mikachu | are you going to shut up any time soon? |
| 03:12:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: What *is* it then? |
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| 03:12:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's not the rules, what *exactly* is your problem? |
| 03:13:00 | Landus | You've got four subtopics that have the most common models that Rockbox is used on and expect people to post installation only questions. |
| 03:13:05 | Arathis | having a problem with my WPS. the progressbar shows weird pixels that shouldn't be there: http://www.sinlos.net/dirk/h10/pb-error.png |
| 03:13:26 | Landus | Make one subtopic called 'Installation Problems' and through those four subtopics to make sub-subtopics. |
| 03:13:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because they're in a category called "Getting Started / Installation / Removal" and have nice, stickied, all caps posts called "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" in them |
| 03:13:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | MOST people seem to actually get the clue |
| 03:13:37 | Mikachu | Landus: is it hard to get through your thick head that if you have a problem that isn't installation specific, you don't post in in a player specific forum? |
| 03:13:38 | Landus | Bull. |
| 03:13:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bull? I read *every* post on the forums, period |
| 03:13:59 | Landus | The several hundred topics being closed because people don't do that is why I did this. |
| 03:14:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think if anyone is actually in a position to have a feel for the distribution of posts, it's me. |
| 03:14:06 | Landus | The same thing keeps happening. |
| 03:14:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | The several *hundred*? |
| 03:14:20 | Landus | Someone posts in the wrong subforum and it gets closed. |
| 03:14:39 | Landus | They usually never post again. |
| 03:14:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are ~270 posts in the whole installation section |
| 03:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | If "several hundred" were closed, that would mean less than 70 were open |
| 03:15:21 | Landus | Perhaps it feels like several hundred. |
| 03:15:21 | Soap | OMG, Landus is still being the provocateur? |
| 03:15:26 | Landus | I never kept count. |
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| 03:15:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Evidently you aren't much for "real" numbers. |
| 03:15:45 | Mikachu | Landus: are you just going on about this because you've got nothing better to do? |
| 03:15:46 | Soap | 45 minutes. |
| 03:15:57 | Landus | Yeah. About right. |
| 03:16:00 | Mikachu | (and Paul_The_Nerd too apparently) |
| 03:16:01 | Landus | Until someone listens. |
| 03:16:10 | Landus | Now, the only reason I went this way because if I came here and said this, everyone would disagree. |
| 03:16:15 | Landus | This way, I have proof. |
| 03:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: The Archos, Apple, iRiver and Cowon forums *are* in a subcategory for installation. It can't be our fault if people don't actually *read* the category header. |
| 03:16:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Proof of *what* exactly? |
| 03:16:30 | Landus | No one rarely does. |
| 03:16:39 | Mikachu | you could name the subforums "installation problems with $model" |
| 03:16:41 | Landus | Because 9 out of 10 times, you get the same general rules. |
| 03:16:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, your problem is that "People don't read the category" not actually that there's anything wrong with the forum other than we expect people to read before posting. |
| 03:16:57 | Landus | Don't ask stupid questions, don't flame, etc. |
| 03:17:06 | Soap | Accusing Llorean of being out of line, even if legit, is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black at this fucking point, is it not Landus? |
| 03:17:12 | Landus | Hey. I'm just pointing out a common fact. |
| 03:17:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | A common fact: "People make assumptions about the forum before posting, then get irritated when those assumptions are wrong" |
| 03:17:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is what you've said. |
| 03:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least, this is how it can best be summarized |
| 03:18:04 | TrueJournals | Hey... I'm having some trouble building rockbox on Windows XP SP2 using cygwin... You can see the errors I get at http://www.kangodo.com/Rockbox.txt ... can anyone help me? |
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| 03:18:14 | Landus | Actually, I started mentioning Llorean because I thought I heard Paul him say he was him ages ago. |
| 03:18:27 | TrueJournals | (I just put the last couple of lines with errors from running make) |
| 03:18:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: And because Llorean locked your post for being in a horribly wrong place, and you complained to him about it, TRYING to justify it being in the right place, clearly showing you didn't know the rules of the forum. |
| 03:18:54 | Landus | TrueJournals: There's a line filter. Join #flood and post the errors in there. |
| 03:18:58 | Mikachu | TrueJournals: more details, what player etc? |
| 03:19:11 | Landus | Nope. I just felt like debating. |
| 03:19:11 | TrueJournals | Trying to build for the H10 20 GB |
| 03:19:21 | Soap | I mean, seriously Landus, follow the posting guidelines or not. Be an adult. Follow the rules, leave, or get the thread locked. What is the big fucking deal. Make an aduld decision. |
| 03:19:22 | jdGordon|Uni | im boooorreeedd.. and half asleep |
| 03:19:29 | Landus | I did. |
| 03:19:30 | Mikachu | jdGordon|Uni: read the last hour of log |
| 03:19:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: You felt like debating that it was valid, even though you knew that it wasn't? |
| 03:19:31 | Soap | *adult |
| 03:19:34 | Mikachu | jdGordon|Uni: sure to get you sleeping |
| 03:19:37 | Landus | Uh. |
| 03:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | TrueJournals: I heard BMPViewer needs to be removed from the H10 builds until it has keymappings. |
| 03:19:51 | jdGordon|Uni | no i need to wake up.... |
| 03:19:57 | Landus | If I really wanted my question answered right now, do you honestly think I would've kept debating this long? |
| 03:19:58 | Mikachu | jdGordon|Uni: oh heh, don't then |
| 03:20:07 | Landus | I would've gone and put it in the right subtopic. |
| 03:20:18 | TrueJournals | Paul_The_Nerd: ah! Thanks! How would I do this? Just remove the files for BMPViewer or what? |
| 03:20:23 | Soap | So then be an adult and STFU about it. |
| 03:20:27 | Mikachu | TrueJournals: you can remove bmpviewer.c from apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 03:20:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | TrueJournals: In the /apps/plugins/SOURCES file, remove the BMPViewer line |
| 03:20:37 | TrueJournals | ok, thanks |
| 03:21:00 | Landus | Soap: I keep on it just to see you get red in the face. |
| 03:21:01 | Landus | :P |
| 03:21:08 | Soap | Let's say you are right. You have no power. No power to change the forum rules. Obviously no power to change the forum mods' minds. Be an adult and back the freak down. |
| 03:21:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: There are rules. Follow them, post as to why you think they're harmful to the forums, or shut up and leave. It's fairly simple. |
| 03:21:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everyone has the power to change the rules, by coming up with better ones that achieve the same goals for the forum and suggesting them. |
| 03:21:35 | Landus | ... |
| 03:21:46 | Soap | impotent imbecile |
| 03:21:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | But bear in mind, you have to change *my* mind about the existing ones, or get me thrown out. |
| 03:21:50 | Landus | Okay. |
| 03:22:00 | Landus | Last time I'm repeating myself. |
| 03:22:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: You said it's not about the rules, I know |
| 03:22:12 | Landus | Everything I did was for the sole purpose of proving what I've been saing. |
| 03:22:15 | Landus | Saying, rather. |
| 03:22:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you've not proven anything. |
| 03:22:34 | Landus | Yeah. I did. |
| 03:22:36 | Mikachu | that you wanted to troll for a couple of hours? |
| 03:22:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | What did you prove, exactly? |
| 03:23:02 | Landus | What I've been saying. |
| 03:23:03 | Mikachu | maybe we can hook you up with protricity |
| 03:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Just put it as a simple statement |
| 03:23:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | You've been wandering all over the place |
| 03:23:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Complained about the fact that rules are enforced |
| 03:23:24 | Soap | And you have made your point, you have been heard. We are validating your feelings. Your feelings are real. But that doesn't make them right in this context/. |
| 03:23:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Complained about the fact that we expect people to read categories |
| 03:23:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Complained that we reorganized the layout |
| 03:23:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | What *exactly* is your point, summarized? |
| 03:23:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | What *exactly* did you prove? |
| 03:24:15 | Landus | That the forums aren't entirely new-user friendly, and enforcing the rules to the point doesn't keep many people around. |
| 03:24:27 | Soap | Point taken |
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| 03:24:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah. No, you haven't proved that. But, now I know your point. |
| 03:24:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | begone. |
| 03:24:35 | Mikachu | how did you prove that, you're still here? |
| 03:24:45 | Landus | A few people /msg'ed me. |
| 03:24:59 | Soap | Paul_The_Nerd said the number of posts is increasing, not decreasing. So the validity of your point, Landus, should be brought into question. |
| 03:25:01 | Landus | So I know it isn't just me that thinks this. |
| 03:25:17 | Landus | Whether or not that's true, that's really not a big deal. |
| 03:25:18 | Soap | Birds of a feather/. |
| 03:25:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: As I've said, people with a complaint in the forums are free to bring up that complaint. |
| 03:25:41 | Landus | It could easily mean that people that have been here for awhile are asking alot of questions. |
| 03:25:42 | Mikachu | can't see all the trees until you cross the river |
| 03:25:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | start a thread in General Discussion |
| 03:26:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I won't lock a thread just because it's critical to me, as long as nobody swears (and even then, I'll just edit out the curse words) |
| 03:26:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't care if you call the rules stupid, or whatever, as long as you try to come up with a way to make them better. |
| 03:26:28 | Landus | Debating over a message board is like competing in the special olympics. |
| 03:26:43 | | Quit jdGordon|Uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 03:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | And IRC is better? |
| 03:26:45 | Mikachu | hahaha, are you calling yourself a retard now? |
| 03:26:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the message board ideas can actually be collated into an improved set of rules |
| 03:27:00 | Landus | I never kept this debate on the forums. |
| 03:27:02 | Mikachu | can you come to my house? i want to frame you and put you on the wall |
| 03:27:05 | Landus | Yes, they can. |
| 03:27:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I promise you, when I leave this channel I will forget 100% if what you said. |
| 03:27:17 | Landus | Bah. |
| 03:27:25 | Landus | Then I'll have to bring it up when you come back. |
| 03:27:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if you take it up in the proper place, maybe you and some other discontents can come up with some suggested changes I'll like |
| 03:27:31 | Landus | *wink* |
| 03:27:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | So far you've been entirely non-helpful in how we can improve it |
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| 03:27:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | You've offered "evidence" that's untrue |
| 03:27:46 | Landus | Oh, it's true. |
| 03:27:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | We have both more registered users, more posts, AND more multiple-post users. |
| 03:28:04 | Soap | and that's just BigMac |
| 03:28:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:28:10 | Landus | Several people have told me that they agree. |
| 03:28:20 | Landus | You, however, might have your opinion that it isn't. |
| 03:28:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Several people" does not mean inactivity is increasing. |
| 03:28:36 | Landus | I said that just to keep the debate going. |
| 03:28:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you lied |
| 03:28:47 | Landus | It's like adding paper to a simmering fire. |
| 03:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, "evidence" that is untrue. |
| 03:28:59 | Landus | Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. |
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| 03:29:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I can then trust your "several people have told me that they agree" why? |
| 03:29:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | If people agree with you, as I said, START A THREAD. Gather together ideas for improvements. |
| 03:29:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hell, file a feature request with a new rules outline |
| 03:29:39 | Landus | And have to check back every hour or so and reply to each and every person. |
| 03:29:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are better ways than complaining that we actually enforced our current rules. |
| 03:29:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you have to reply to everyone? |
| 03:29:56 | Landus | Least with IRC, it's live |
| 03:30:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | With IRC you also only get to the people who come in the IRC channel |
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| 03:30:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which, I hate to tell you, are *primarily* those who agreed to the new layout |
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| 03:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which, I hate to tell you, are *primarily* those who agreed to the new layout |
| 03:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, gather support, *show* me these "vast numbers" that are unhappy |
| 03:31:16 | Landus | Wonderful time for X-Chat to crash |
| 03:31:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Start a poll in our general discussion, then go to MR and get them to come, register, and vote in the poll to show they're unhappy |
| 03:31:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, remember, *nothing* will change unless you come up with a suggestion for something that's better and keeps our goal in mind |
| 03:31:55 | Landus | What I was saying before X-Chat died, is that if I don't reply to someone that has a disagreement over the forums, it'll look like I'm avoiding a question. |
| 03:32:11 | Landus | It's a small problem that can be easily fixed. Not something I'm going to take a week to debate over. |
| 03:32:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | How would you fix it then, while keeping the current goal in mind? |
| 03:32:42 | Landus | Again, I'm not in charge of anything on Rockbox, so I'm not going to affected as much as the project itself would be. |
| 03:32:58 | Landus | I'm just pointing this out so it doesn't become a bigger problem in the future. |
| 03:33:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd waits for how it can be easily fixed. |
| 03:33:33 | Landus | I already gave at least one possible way to fix it. |
| 03:34:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | What was that, exactly? I don't remember anything like that. |
| 03:34:53 | Landus | Don't have subtopics that have the model of DAPs that Rockbox runs on in plain sight. |
| 03:34:58 | Landus | It gives the wrong impression. |
| 03:36:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that better, then? |
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| 03:36:33 | Soap | There are install "quirks" which are hardware/target specific. A forums for that must be provided, and should be in "plain sight" |
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| 03:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: I made a small change, is it better? |
| 03:37:56 | Soap | At some point trust, nay an expectation, that users will read /something/ (be it the manual, the forum posting guidelines, the wiki, even lurk for a week) must be made. |
| 03:38:19 | Landus | Yes. |
| 03:38:26 | Landus | You did understand what I was saying. |
| 03:38:41 | Landus | Thanks. |
| 03:38:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: As I said about 50 times, I'm willing to listen to reasonable suggestions. |
| 03:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | But complaints about the fact that I enforce the rules, are not reasonable. |
| 03:40:32 | Febs | <Landus> Now I'm beginning to see why the forums on MisticRiver are more active that the ones at rockbox. |
| 03:40:44 | Landus | adjdshdskhakwldfjakldsfja |
| 03:40:45 | Febs | For the record, I close WAY more threads at Mistic River than I close here. |
| 03:40:58 | Landus | Phew. |
| 03:41:05 | Landus | I didn't feel up for another round. |
| 03:41:10 | Landus | Well, now that that is out of the way, there was some truth to what I originally posted. |
| 03:41:19 | Landus | I can't get the statusbar to change it's position. |
| 03:41:23 | Landus | Anyone want to take a swing? |
| 03:41:57 | Landus | I've got both the .c and header file open. |
| 03:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Beyond just changing STATUSBAR_Y_POS's value? |
| 03:44:37 | Landus | Is the Y axis value what moves it farther down? |
| 03:44:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 03:44:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Increase it to move it further down. |
| 03:44:52 | Landus | I have. |
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| 03:45:09 | Landus | I've got it set at 8 and it won't budge. |
| 03:46:10 | Landus | Is there anything else that needs to be done? |
| 03:47:01 | Febs | Catching up with the logs: |
| 03:47:02 | Febs | <Landus> Nope. Not really. I actually did this on purpose just to see what would happen. |
| 03:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Did you increase statusbar height as well? |
| 03:47:43 | Febs | You pull shit like that, and YOU'RE going to drive people away. |
| 03:48:11 | Febs | People like me, who enjoy helping people, but are getting *really* sick of people whining about the way that we choose to provide help. |
| 03:48:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: What I would do first is leave STATUSBAR_Y_POS at 0, change the height to 16, and then go to one of the calls, like the one that draws the clock or volume level, and find the Y part of the call (should have STATUSBAR_Y_POS in the call) and do like, +8 to it, and see if that moves that icon. |
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| 03:50:06 | Landus | Febs. |
| 03:50:20 | Landus | Nothing personal, but please, put a virtual sock in your mouth. |
| 03:50:54 | Febs | No, you've had your say. I'll have mine. |
| 03:51:11 | Febs | The Rockbox forums are not Mistic River. |
| 03:51:18 | Febs | They are a user support forum. |
| 03:51:28 | Febs | We are trying to organize them in a way that will help users of ALL platforms. |
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| 05:12:33 | ablaze` | any germans here ? |
| 05:12:55 | ablaze` | i have some question about the e200 serie |
| 05:13:01 | ablaze` | but my english is bad |
| 05:13:05 | ablaze` | +s |
| 05:14:26 | ablaze` | nobody there ? |
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| 05:16:26 | scorche | go ahead and ask the question...we have dealt with worse english than i have seen from you so far before =) |
| 05:16:41 | dpassen1 | And often, from native speakers |
| 05:16:50 | scorche | hehe |
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| 05:43:02 | volt | does the iaudio X5L get 30 hrs of play with rockbox? |
| 05:46:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's 24ish |
| 05:46:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't think anyone's done a valid comparative test yet. |
| 05:47:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | IE, nobody's run the same playlist at 0 volume (or max volume) with no equalizers on both firmwares to see how the playtimes directly compare. |
| 05:51:22 | ablaze` | oh i forgot this chat here... i converted a lot... cya in a couple of hours (i hope you understood me) :P |
| 05:51:27 | ablaze` | i have to sleeep |
| 05:51:28 | ablaze` | ^^ |
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| 05:56:07 | volt | hmm. well, Paul |
| 05:57:06 | volt | I returned my 60GB and was considering the x5L but 14 hours is quite enough as it is, and I have >30GB of music. as well as the price being only $60 apart where I'm getting it, I'm just going to re-purchase the 60GB version. |
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| 07:18:33 | Pons | guys, i need urgent help |
| 07:18:40 | Pons | has any of you tried the new 1.2? |
| 07:18:55 | Pons | on ipod? |
| 07:19:00 | scorche | are you referring to the new apple firmware? |
| 07:19:18 | Pons | yes |
| 07:19:32 | scorche | well, i dont have an ipod, but what is your question? |
| 07:19:56 | Pons | i had rockbox |
| 07:20:05 | Pons | and itunes gave an error when updating |
| 07:20:13 | Pons | but i tried again and it worked |
| 07:20:20 | Pons | but it ripped of my rockbox.. |
| 07:20:26 | Pons | no problem tho |
| 07:20:32 | Pons | i can install it again |
| 07:20:32 | Pons | thx |
| 07:20:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | So... umm... what was the question? |
| 07:21:13 | scorche | om...youre welcome? o_O |
| 07:23:21 | Pons | i though it was a problem updating and having rockbox installed |
| 07:23:31 | Pons | but i figured out that it wasn't |
| 07:23:34 | Pons | so don't worr |
| 07:23:34 | Pons | y |
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| 07:54:27 | fatherfork | I use rockbox on my iPod, but I'm thinking about going back to the original firmware because the simplicity is almost enough to make me not care. rockbox is a hassle. |
| 07:54:39 | fatherfork | just a thought. |
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| 07:58:52 | aliask | fatherfork: Any particular parts that you think we should focus on? |
| 07:59:50 | fatherfork | ya know.. maybe on the installer front, it would be a lot easier to upgrade if we had a supported...installer |
| 07:59:59 | fatherfork | supported |
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| 08:00:44 | fatherfork | and while there are customizable wps's, the other screen still seem cluttered |
| 08:00:48 | fatherfork | screens |
| 08:01:06 | aliask | What do you mean by cluttered? Like how the menu isn't really intuitive? |
| 08:01:24 | fatherfork | yes, but i know that's being actively worked on... |
| 08:02:07 | fatherfork | the menubar at the top... it, takes away from any simplistic look |
| 08:02:16 | fatherfork | a lot |
| 08:02:20 | scorche | well, i do admit that an installer would be nice, but you only have to replace the bootloader once, and that is just typing the commands on the wiki word for word |
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| 08:02:43 | aliask | I'm actually sorta thinking about doing something about the statusbar - it's by far the ugliest part of rockbox IMO |
| 08:02:50 | fatherfork | this is true, however a little knowledge is still required |
| 08:03:13 | aliask | Also, because the bootloader is the first thing you have to do - it scares away new users. |
| 08:03:28 | fatherfork | wow that would be fantastic, and I agree about it being the ugliest part |
| 08:03:42 | fatherfork | yeah, it was a little daunting when I first saw it |
| 08:03:50 | aliask | My C skills are pretty limited, so what I come up with probably won't get into CVS. |
| 08:04:17 | aliask | Perhaps someone will take the idea and go from where I'm up to, who knows. |
| 08:04:30 | fatherfork | would be a step forward for sure |
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| 08:04:51 | nudelyn | Anyone know the history of "A bright coloured fish" in the ID3 APIC tag specification? :) |
| 08:05:12 | scorche | i wonder how people would respond to me making an installer...i wouldnt think that the devs would have an issue with it as long as i make it simple, disclose source and everything |
| 08:05:48 | aliask | We just need someone with windows GUI coding experience, I'm sure there are people out there... |
| 08:05:55 | aliask | nudelyn: No, what is it? |
| 08:06:06 | scorche | well, the problem is, is i would make it in python... |
| 08:06:22 | scorche | (most liekly) |
| 08:06:34 | nudelyn | I dunno! I think it's a joke, but I wonder where it came from. :) http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2004/02/a_bright_coloured_fish.html and http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt |
| 08:06:34 | aliask | I think a cmdline app would defeat the purpose... (python is shell right?) |
| 08:07:07 | scorche | i could make an executable |
| 08:07:30 | * | scorche <3 wxpython |
| 08:07:50 | aliask | But is the executable GUI or still commandline? |
| 08:07:54 | fatherfork | too bad it wouldn't help me |
| 08:08:01 | * | fatherfork is a mac user |
| 08:08:04 | scorche | gui |
| 08:08:28 | aliask | Yeah, we also need to consider mactarded people. |
| 08:08:33 | scorche | as you said...command line would defeat the purpose |
| 08:08:35 | fatherfork | haha |
| 08:08:41 | scorche | ah..yeah |
| 08:09:04 | fatherfork | I tried to learn cocoa once. yeah I remember that day. |
| 08:09:35 | scorche | but macs have python integrated (dont they?)....command line would be easy |
| 08:09:41 | amiconn | We don't need yet another installer |
| 08:10:01 | aliask | amiconn: What's the harm? |
| 08:10:02 | scorche | i know we dont need it, but it would be nice for many people |
| 08:10:05 | amiconn | What would be nice are 2 things. (1) Adapt the existing installer to be usable for all targets |
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| 08:11:33 | scorche | all the existing installer does is extract to the root of the device right? |
| 08:11:35 | amiconn | (2) A tool which can be used by the installer to handle the special, target-specific operations. Patch of with bootloader for iriver, inject the bootloader for ipod etc |
| 08:11:42 | * | aliask checks out this existing installer |
| 08:11:49 | * | scorche thinks that the installer is/was only for the archos players |
| 08:12:50 | amiconn | scorche: Yes it is, but the installation process is the same for all targets, apart from the first-time installation that involves patching on most newer targets |
| 08:14:01 | scorche | i was suggesting creating a "tool" which would handle the bootloader (non extract parts) |
| 08:16:31 | amiconn | Okay, that would be part (2) from my list |
| 08:17:13 | amiconn | But I don't think using a scripting language for that would be a good idea, |
| 08:17:14 | scorche | it isnt like python cant interact with C |
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| 08:18:12 | scorche | well, python is what i am strongest in, so it would be natural for me to write it in that which is why i suggested it |
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| 08:22:07 | moda | *waits for someone to try out the ipod video build on 5.5g ipod* :D |
| 08:23:37 | aliask | Hrm, on that topic, does anyone know if Apple changed the guts of the players? |
| 08:23:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody's confirmed either way yet. |
| 08:24:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano 2G is clearly changed at least minorly since it's smaller and yet has a good bit more battery life |
| 08:24:07 | scorche | i am guessing the new nanos use the samsung |
| 08:24:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems likely |
| 08:24:35 | aliask | They're also claiming 75% more video playtime, no broadcom chip? :D |
| 08:24:36 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 08:24:46 | scorche | oh? |
| 08:24:48 | scorche | why? |
| 08:24:56 | Bagder | seems like a pretty major change |
| 08:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | They probably just put a bigger battery in the 5.5G |
| 08:25:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a functionally identical LCD that happens to have a brighter light, a bigger battery, and in some cases a new HD. |
| 08:25:52 | scorche | yeah...it would be...but ya never know |
| 08:25:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, and of course "Rockboxalike features" |
| 08:26:34 | aliask | I like the way the search appears to work though - dynamically updating as you enter text. |
| 08:27:07 | scorche | i love those kind of searches... |
| 08:27:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure text prediction could be added to tagcache in the future. |
| 08:27:32 | fatherfork | bold |
| 08:27:45 | aliask | People seem to have forgotten about playlist searching on rockbox... I use that so much more than tagcache. |
| 08:27:46 | scorche | text prediction...not so much |
| 08:28:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | aliask: It could be used in a playlist as well. |
| 08:28:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've never ever searched in a playlist though |
| 08:28:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, I don't use TagCache either. |
| 08:28:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I haven't exactly searched in that either. |
| 08:28:52 | aliask | I tend to create large playlists on shuffle and search if I want to listen to something specific. |
| 08:28:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 08:29:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I want to search for something specific, I browse to it and "Queue Next" |
| 08:29:24 | aliask | I do that too sometimes... oh rockbox - the choices! :) |
| 08:30:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm still surprised that they're finally claiming gapless. I wonder how well it works |
| 08:30:30 | fatherfork | does "queue next" insert the song between the current and next song? |
| 08:30:40 | aliask | Sure does. |
| 08:30:48 | fatherfork | nice |
| 08:30:59 | aliask | iTunes didn't use to rip in gapless - it'd insert them. |
| 08:31:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's also "Queue Last" which appends to the end of the playlist, and "Queue" which queues after the most recently queued song |
| 08:31:42 | fatherfork | and if there is no recently queued song? it goes next? |
| 08:31:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you Queue Next A, B, and C you get them in your list as CBA, so you need to Queue Next, Queue, Queue to get ABC (I never remember what Queue defaults to, so I never bother using it first) |
| 08:32:21 | fatherfork | gotcha |
| 08:33:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know what phrase that arbitrarily irritates me, that I shall bring up here? MP4 player. |
| 08:33:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seriously doubt there's a device out there that plays everything that qualifies as a valid MP4 file. |
| 08:34:02 | aliask | It's basically come to mean H.264 (or whatever it is) |
| 08:34:28 | BHSPitMonkey | I swear... of all the channels I /autojoin, this is the one that never sleeps. |
| 08:34:39 | fatherfork | the should have a disclaimer (there is no way on earth that this device could possibly ever play every mp4 file, so stop dreaming) |
| 08:34:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | aliask: It often means AAC as well. |
| 08:34:51 | BHSPitMonkey | I guess that's because it has a good European presence, though. |
| 08:34:55 | aliask | Ah yes, I forgot about audio... |
| 08:35:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to be somewhat arbitrary, and far too vague for my liking. |
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| 08:35:47 | BHSPitMonkey | Paul_The_Nerd, well, then you must hate Digital Audio Player, etc |
| 08:35:48 | aliask | There are so many terms which have become like that though |
| 08:36:00 | BHSPitMonkey | name one device that can play everything that qualifies as Digital Audio. |
| 08:36:01 | aliask | BHSPitMonkey: Nono, "MP3 player" |
| 08:36:12 | BHSPitMonkey | I hear DAP used around rockbox all the time. |
| 08:36:32 | aliask | I suppose names have to be a bit ambiguous. |
| 08:36:33 | Bagder | well DAP is genericly playing digital audio |
| 08:36:41 | Bagder | mp4 is just weird to say |
| 08:36:45 | fatherfork | I hate how people come in to the store and ask me what the difference is between an iPod and an "mp3 player" |
| 08:37:09 | scorche | haha...when i worked retail, i used to get that all thetime too |
| 08:37:13 | aliask | Hahaha. Yes, "what is an interweb?". |
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| 08:37:16 | scorche | fatherfork: long time no talk =) |
| 08:37:16 | fatherfork | yeah people are so |
| 08:37:25 | fatherfork | hey scorche |
| 08:37:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: DAP means it's capable of playing digital audio. Digital Audio doesn't actually refer to a specific standard. |
| 08:38:01 | BHSPitMonkey | and neither does mp4, right? |
| 08:38:04 | scorche | and mp3 is not a container format |
| 08:38:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | MP4 is a container format |
| 08:38:28 | Bagder | well saying mp4 without further details is pretty vague |
| 08:38:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's actually clearly defined in the MPEG-4 standard |
| 08:38:42 | * | moda demands 5.5g now! |
| 08:38:52 | fatherfork | it's not THAT great |
| 08:38:54 | Bagder | moda: so order one |
| 08:38:59 | BHSPitMonkey | they should make AVI players |
| 08:39:04 | moda | i know but my h340 is falling apart |
| 08:39:14 | fatherfork | I have a 5G, so I'm waiting till the first of the year |
| 08:39:14 | moda | Bagder I would if my parents werent so stingy :| |
| 08:39:20 | BHSPitMonkey | oh yeah, apple was supposed to announce a new player today, did they? |
| 08:39:22 | Bagder | haha |
| 08:39:25 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: and the difference between that and mp4 would be...? |
| 08:39:28 | Bagder | kids these days ;-) |
| 08:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: iPod Nano 2G |
| 08:39:32 | scorche | they did |
| 08:39:32 | BHSPitMonkey | ah. |
| 08:39:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | And a new Shuffle |
| 08:39:36 | moda | ipod video 5.5g |
| 08:39:36 | moda | too |
| 08:39:41 | nudelyn | and gapless firmware of great justice! |
| 08:39:41 | fatherfork | that shuffle is crazy |
| 08:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also the 5.5G which is *maybe* new. |
| 08:39:49 | * | BHSPitMonkey checks out the site |
| 08:39:58 | fatherfork | hey can we get a rockbox port to the new shuffle?!?!?!?!????? |
| 08:40:00 | nudelyn | and zuma! (games) |
| 08:40:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 08:40:06 | moda | wtf lol fatherfork |
| 08:40:11 | BHSPitMonkey | woah... |
| 08:40:13 | moda | hell no it doesnt even have a screen |
| 08:40:14 | fatherfork | haha |
| 08:40:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | fatherfork: Follow the same rules for any new port. |
| 08:40:22 | fatherfork | yes sir |
| 08:40:22 | BHSPitMonkey | fatherfork, I've been saying that since forever. |
| 08:40:25 | BHSPitMonkey | audio interface. |
| 08:40:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda: Voice UI exists. :-P |
| 08:40:33 | nudelyn | "Hey guys, I'm having trouble getting Doom to run on the Shuffle port of Rockbox..." |
| 08:40:36 | Bagder | the shuffle is a true challenge to work on |
| 08:40:37 | BHSPitMonkey | wtf |
| 08:40:38 | moda | lol |
| 08:40:43 | BHSPitMonkey | I could SWALLOW that shuffle |
| 08:40:44 | moda | Paul_The_Nerd: it does? |
| 08:40:49 | BHSPitMonkey | that's insane |
| 08:40:51 | moda | ive never used it before |
| 08:41:02 | BHSPitMonkey | it's getting closer and closer to that iPod Flea spoof |
| 08:41:27 | fatherfork | haha, that video was awesome |
| 08:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've actually played a first person shooter that has no graphical interface |
| 08:41:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's entirely sound-based |
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| 08:41:51 | nudelyn | oh yeah, i remember hearing about (heh) that. didn't try it though. was it good? |
| 08:41:51 | * | moda kicks stingy parents |
| 08:42:14 | BHSPitMonkey | so, the new aspect of the 5G's is... games? |
| 08:42:19 | nudelyn | and gapless |
| 08:42:31 | Bagder | and bigger hdd |
| 08:42:32 | aliask | Better battery, 60% brighter |
| 08:42:34 | nudelyn | and i think more video support |
| 08:42:54 | fatherfork | just an expansion on h264 support |
| 08:42:57 | scorche | and the rest we shall find out in time =) |
| 08:42:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudelyn: It was okay. |
| 08:43:04 | BHSPitMonkey | is it a firmware upgrade? |
| 08:43:15 | fatherfork | mostly |
| 08:43:16 | BHSPitMonkey | (not the hdd of course, and the brightness) |
| 08:43:24 | BHSPitMonkey | but I mean, is it applicable to current 5g's |
| 08:43:26 | moda | i say it again |
| 08:43:27 | * | moda kicks stingy parents |
| 08:43:31 | aliask | I'm disappointed there was no wide/touch screen iPod. Rockbox would be an awesome experience. |
| 08:43:32 | nudelyn | there's a firmware update for the 5G players. nobody is sure if the new hardware is actually different or if it's just diff HDDs and firmware improvements |
| 08:43:45 | fatherfork | well there is brightness control on the firmware update, just no brighter on the 5G |
| 08:44:19 | nudelyn | I've installed the new firmware on my 5G iPod and gapless works for iTunes-encoded AAC (drag & drop of WMA Lossless file). Didn't seem to work for LAME-encoded MP3 but I haven't investigated yet. |
| 08:44:23 | BHSPitMonkey | nudelyn, would I be the first to try the update out if I did it right now |
| 08:44:26 | BHSPitMonkey | ah. |
| 08:44:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudelyn: I wouldn't be surprised that LAME-mp3 don't work gapless |
| 08:44:52 | nudelyn | the update seemed to nuke the rockbox bootloader BTW, so be prepared to reinstall that |
| 08:44:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudelyn: Apple's views on MP3 is that the iPod ONLY officially supports those encoded in iTunes. So until iTunes creates gapless MP3s, they probably won't bother. |
| 08:45:01 | BHSPitMonkey | well duh |
| 08:45:11 | fatherfork | it's supposed to analyze the actual audio to determine the gap...less...ness |
| 08:45:31 | nudelyn | it does but it doesn't seem to work very well :) |
| 08:45:41 | BHSPitMonkey | nudelyn, you could have dumped the firmware from the updater program, and used it with ipod_fw |
| 08:45:59 | nudelyn | the gap is much better than it was though... sounds like the mp3 frame gap, rather than the "ipod has gone to sleep for 2 seconds oh shii, the buffer's empty!" gap |
| 08:46:21 | moda | yay new house, MOTHERFUCKER! |
| 08:46:22 | moda | yay |
| 08:46:28 | fatherfork | that's about the gap I get in rockbox on most stuff |
| 08:46:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudelyn: Try some made with the actual nogap flag, like you'd prepare them for the Archos then |
| 08:46:41 | BHSPitMonkey | it makes me mad they didn't give an official new title to the new 5G's |
| 08:46:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | fatherfork: If you get a gap in Rockbox, something is wrong with your files. |
| 08:46:48 | nudelyn | firmware update seems to be part of itunes now, there's no link to a standalone installer... but it probably is there ina temp file somewhere |
| 08:46:54 | nudelyn | good idea paul, i'll try that at the weekend |
| 08:47:04 | fatherfork | hmm |
| 08:47:13 | BHSPitMonkey | nudelyn, did that also enable that games functionality (not that I really care for it) |
| 08:47:15 | BHSPitMonkey | just curious |
| 08:47:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: It's really a firmware update though, for almost entirely the most part. |
| 08:47:18 | nudelyn | yeah it does |
| 08:47:29 | BHSPitMonkey | they're offering us, to buy, what we've had for months ^^ |
| 08:47:40 | scorche | well, with 20 more gigs |
| 08:47:40 | moda | at a cheaper price... |
| 08:47:42 | BHSPitMonkey | speaking of which, a thank-you to all the devs |
| 08:47:43 | BHSPitMonkey | :) |
| 08:47:54 | fatherfork | Paul_The_Nerd: there's really not much i can do about it then. |
| 08:48:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | fatherfork: I take it you didn't encode the files yourself? |
| 08:48:21 | fatherfork | ehh... not most of them, no |
| 08:48:47 | nudelyn | if apple added a proper equaliser (none of this preset crap) and a GUI theme that wasn't fugly (I want my greentheme back!) then I'd be totally happy with the official firmware, I think. USB MSC would be nice but I doubt they'll ever do that. |
| 08:48:50 | BHSPitMonkey | nudelyn, on the site, it looks like the new "WPS" has a gradient background... is that so? |
| 08:48:55 | BHSPitMonkey | because that'd be GREAT |
| 08:49:09 | nudelyn | it looks like the same boring white background to me |
| 08:49:12 | BHSPitMonkey | dang |
| 08:49:44 | nudelyn | it's fugly compared to rockbox |
| 08:50:27 | fatherfork | it's fugly compared to rockbox's wps |
| 08:50:28 | BHSPitMonkey | right |
| 08:50:34 | BHSPitMonkey | if they had added a gradient background, though |
| 08:50:44 | BHSPitMonkey | that would make the background changeable ^^ |
| 08:51:02 | nudelyn | i might try the official firmware for a while though... i didn't use the EQ in rockbox due to skipping problems, so i won't miss that (even though I think apple should provide a better EQ). battery life will be better. |
| 08:51:06 | BHSPitMonkey | you can replace all the bitmaps the firmware is full of. unfortunately, the wps/menu backgrounds are just coded colors |
| 08:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | nudelyn: If you've got a 5G you should've tried the Hardware EQ |
| 08:51:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't skip. |
| 08:51:56 | nudelyn | i only just heard about that. i haven't been keeping up with what's new :( |
| 08:52:11 | fatherfork | you know the thing I would miss the most if I went back to iPod original... crossfeed. |
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| 08:52:47 | BHSPitMonkey | hmm |
| 08:52:49 | nudelyn | there's some kind of "compilation album" support in itunes and the firmware too... it sounds promising but i haven't tried it yet. |
| 08:52:50 | BHSPitMonkey | but maybe |
| 08:53:10 | nudelyn | already I find myself wanting folder-based storage, though, for all my random mp3s that i want separate from my albums. |
| 08:53:11 | BHSPitMonkey | maybe because of the new games modularity, we'll see some homebrew hacks |
| 08:53:22 | BHSPitMonkey | off-chance |
| 08:53:24 | BHSPitMonkey | but maybe |
| 08:53:39 | BHSPitMonkey | maybe port rockbox as an iPod Game ^^ |
| 08:53:44 | BHSPitMonkey | ha. |
| 08:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would be rather silly |
| 08:53:49 | moda | indeed |
| 08:53:51 | BHSPitMonkey | rather indeed |
| 08:53:57 | BHSPitMonkey | like most fun things |
| 08:54:00 | nudelyn | perhaps apple will make soemthing like Microsoft's XNA where you can pay them money to develop games for their hardware :) |
| 08:54:01 | moda | BHSPitMonkey do you actually think of what you say? |
| 08:54:01 | fatherfork | indeed rather silly |
| 08:54:01 | moda | jeez |
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| 08:54:11 | BHSPitMonkey | moda, NO |
| 08:54:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is actually learning XNA. |
| 08:54:16 | moda | well you should |
| 08:54:29 | moda | most likely it would stop you from sounding like a fool ;) |
| 08:54:35 | fatherfork | wow |
| 08:54:44 | BHSPitMonkey | moda, fortunately, that's never happened as of yet |
| 08:54:51 | * | BHSPitMonkey looks around |
| 08:54:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially since it's entirely free until I want to actually test code on the console |
| 08:55:09 | fatherfork | haha, "wow" is "mom" upside down. |
| 08:55:14 | fatherfork | ok, yeah, sorry. |
| 08:55:21 | BHSPitMonkey | moda, and you attack ME? |
| 08:55:24 | BHSPitMonkey | ^^ |
| 08:55:33 | fatherfork | (point made) |
| 08:55:34 | moda | .... |
| 08:55:39 | moda | who uses mom anyway? |
| 08:55:40 | moda | jeez |
| 08:55:44 | moda | its mum... |
| 08:56:03 | moda | well, in the english speaking parts of the world maybe |
| 08:56:13 | BHSPitMonkey | am I the only one who thinks moda sounds like a struggling stand-up comedian |
| 08:56:54 | BHSPitMonkey | Am I right? Heh! Heh! |
| 08:57:01 | fatherfork | the name or the entity? |
| 08:57:07 | BHSPitMonkey | umm |
| 08:57:11 | BHSPitMonkey | neither |
| 08:57:28 | BHSPitMonkey | the dialogue, rather |
| 08:57:34 | fatherfork | ah |
| 08:57:38 | moda | ... |
| 08:57:44 | BHSPitMonkey | here comes one |
| 08:57:46 | BHSPitMonkey | just wait |
| 08:58:00 | BHSPitMonkey | we've seen the ellipsis of anticipation... |
| 08:58:23 | * | moda rollseyes |
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| 08:58:40 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 08:58:44 | BHSPitMonkey | naw |
| 08:58:47 | BHSPitMonkey | we're all friends here |
| 08:58:59 | moda | Its ok, I forgive you because you didnt know im australian :) |
| 08:59:12 | fatherfork | ah, explains the "mum" |
| 08:59:22 | fatherfork | g'day mate |
| 08:59:23 | moda | mmhmm |
| 08:59:28 | fatherfork | CRIKEY! |
| 08:59:32 | BHSPitMonkey | no... |
| 08:59:32 | moda | yea yea :| |
| 08:59:36 | fatherfork | haha |
| 08:59:37 | BHSPitMonkey | that was just plain distasteful |
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| 08:59:49 | fatherfork | I was just... maaan |
| 09:00 |
| 09:01:46 | moda | torrents suck :| |
| 09:02:03 | fatherfork | rockbox? |
| 09:02:09 | BHSPitMonkey | a torrent sucks only as much as its content |
| 09:03:28 | moda | a torrent with 5000 seeders and an average of 10mbytes/s and I get 2kbs/s.... fuck that |
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| 09:03:57 | fatherfork | they do keep logs of this conversation... |
| 09:04:13 | BHSPitMonkey | yep |
| 09:04:19 | moda | eep |
| 09:04:22 | InteliWasp | what do i need to do to access my ipod with firewire? |
| 09:04:23 | BHSPitMonkey | rockbox.org |
| 09:04:27 | BHSPitMonkey | look at the IRC page |
| 09:04:32 | moda | its a linux iso, so it doesnt matter anyway |
| 09:04:37 | fatherfork | InteliWasp: which iPod? |
| 09:04:42 | InteliWasp | 4G |
| 09:04:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | InteliWasp: Boot it into the retail operating system? |
| 09:04:43 | BHSPitMonkey | InteliWasp, uhh, a computer that has firewire also |
| 09:05:03 | BHSPitMonkey | oh, need "to do" |
| 09:05:09 | InteliWasp | and yes i have firewire capability on my comp |
| 09:05:29 | BHSPitMonkey | InteliWasp, Original Firmware, or diskmode. |
| 09:06:22 | InteliWasp | so not yet then... darn, i was kinda hopeing that i could get faster then usb 1.1 speads |
| 09:06:47 | fatherfork | what do you mean? is something preventing you from booting into disk mode? |
| 09:07:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox doesn't have *any* USB or Firewire support |
| 09:07:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | But when you plug in a USB cable, it detects it an reboots into emergency disk mode |
| 09:07:30 | InteliWasp | when i plug it in, it does nothing in reaction |
| 09:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | For Firewire, you have to shut down and manually boot or reboot into a mode that supports it. |
| 09:07:54 | BHSPitMonkey | InteliWasp, hold play+select during boot |
| 09:07:58 | fatherfork | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651 |
| 09:08:24 | InteliWasp | figures, i hope that there will be a rockbod disk mode soon |
| 09:08:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or simply read the IpodFAQ or Manual |
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| 09:08:39 | InteliWasp | *rockbox |
| 09:08:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is unlikely to have a disk mode for a while yet, unless there's a breakthrough in knowledge of the portalplayer chipset. |
| 09:09:52 | InteliWasp | does ipl have any progress with it? |
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| 09:12:37 | Bagder | the ipl development in the kernel seem to more or less have stalled |
| 09:13:02 | Bagder | a single commit since may 15 |
| 09:13:21 | Bagder | no |
| 09:13:39 | Bagder | hm, yes I read it right |
| 09:14:21 | InteliWasp | there is SVN activity altho sloooow |
| 09:14:39 | Bagder | yes, one commit since may 15 is slow |
| 09:15:13 | Bagder | (http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/ipodlinux) |
| 09:15:20 | InteliWasp | er.. i see a SVN on sep 7... |
| 09:15:27 | Bagder | not in the kernel |
| 09:15:55 | InteliWasp | nm.... brain is asleep and not reading text... |
| 09:16:15 | * | moda looks out the window @ sun ;) |
| 09:16:31 | InteliWasp | 03:20 here |
| 09:16:34 | moda | its freaking freezing today but :| |
| 09:16:46 | * | Bagder confesses to never have understood the ipl linux project's ways anyway |
| 09:16:48 | moda | max was like 23 degrees :| |
| 09:16:52 | * | InteliWasp loves the cold |
| 09:17:56 | moda | sigh |
| 09:18:06 | Bagder | you should come here in winter then |
| 09:18:10 | Bagder | long dark coldness |
| 09:18:28 | InteliWasp | ipl is more bang for the buck in regards of dodads and features, wile rb is a good solid multi-format player |
| 09:18:28 | moda | its spring right now (??? i think) and its still cold :O |
| 09:18:49 | InteliWasp | where are you guys? |
| 09:18:56 | * | Bagder is in Sweden |
| 09:19:06 | * | moda is in Australia |
| 09:19:07 | moda | woo |
| 09:19:10 | * | InteliWasp is in ohio, USA |
| 09:19:56 | fatherfork | 3.20 heya in da atl |
| 09:20:24 | moda | I wish it would snow here in the city :( |
| 09:20:30 | fatherfork | That would be Georgia, USA |
| 09:20:34 | webguest57 | Is the bug described in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.0, msgs 87-89 already fixed? (Scrolling in the FM presets list) I think in the yesterday's build the bug is still present. |
| 09:21:00 | InteliWasp | i need to get some sleep, later all! |
| 09:21:04 | Bagder | webguest57: is it filed as a bug report? |
| 09:21:29 | Bagder | most devs don't read the forums |
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| 09:21:44 | webguest57 | Bagder: according to msg 87, yes. FS #5926 |
| 09:21:47 | Bagder | and those who do easily miss things |
| 09:21:50 | Bagder | ok, goodie |
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| 09:25:07 | JdGordon | hey all.. does anyone know what button combo on windows changes the monitor orientation ? its spun around 270 degrees |
| 09:25:09 | webguest62 | Is it possible to change the type of a task in FS (bug -> patch) after it's been submitted? |
| 09:25:32 | webguest62 | JdGordon: it's driver specific IMHO |
| 09:25:34 | Bagder | webguest62: yeps |
| 09:25:39 | JdGordon | its an intel extreme 2 |
| 09:26:01 | aliask | It's probably in the tray icon thing |
| 09:26:10 | webguest62 | JdGordon: go to display properties, you'll find it there (hopefully) |
| 09:26:45 | * | JdGordon is trying to help my idiot friends over the fone |
| 09:26:46 | JdGordon | but thanks |
| 09:27:02 | webguest62 | aliask: hehe, I once had the same situation. It's very hard to hit the desired spot with the mouse once the screen is rotated |
| 09:27:26 | JdGordon | all fixed.. |
| 09:27:31 | JdGordon | ctrl-alt-direction |
| 09:27:31 | Slasheri | hmm, i think my scheduler patch should be now ready.. |
| 09:27:35 | * | JdGordon goes back to idling |
| 09:27:42 | aliask | Ugh... way too easy to hit... |
| 09:27:46 | Slasheri | Bagder: would you like to take a final look on it? :) |
| 09:28:00 | Slasheri | and LinusN also |
| 09:28:28 | * | LinusN looks in the tracker for a scheduler patch |
| 09:28:52 | * | moda falls ovetr |
| 09:29:01 | moda | -t |
| 09:29:03 | Slasheri | LinusN: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduler6.patch |
| 09:29:14 | Slasheri | i haven't put it in tracker (yet) because i update that so often |
| 09:29:33 | webguest62 | What's about changing of the task type? I erroneously submitted FS #5982 as a bug. But it's a patch. |
| 09:29:39 | Slasheri | now priorities can be even disabled from a setting by user |
| 09:30:20 | * | fatherfork falls asleep above his keyboard and has to get several keys replaced in the morning. |
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| 09:31:10 | linuxstb | Bagder: The top entry (8 August) on that IPL link you posted is a kernel commit. But yes, there isn't much kernel development... |
| 09:31:30 | Bagder | yes, that's the single one since may 15 |
| 09:32:00 | linuxstb | Ah, misread your message... I forgot you like making up statistics :) |
| 09:32:07 | Bagder | webguest62: in case you read, I changed it to a patch now |
| 09:32:12 | LinusN | Slasheri: why would you want the ui to have priority? |
| 09:32:18 | Bagder | linuxstb: :-) |
| 09:33:20 | Slasheri | LinusN: well, there was a discussion earlier that some users might prefer ui to have priority over playback.. and we can't have both, so now user can select that :D |
| 09:33:35 | LinusN | why would those users want that? |
| 09:33:42 | Slasheri | i don't really know that.. |
| 09:33:47 | Bagder | that seems like a very odd settting |
| 09:33:57 | LinusN | i think it's a useless option |
| 09:34:00 | Bagder | that the majority of people won't understand |
| 09:34:02 | Slasheri | hmm, so you think it would better not to have that setting at all? |
| 09:34:07 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 09:34:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:34:12 | Slasheri | ok, so then i will remove that :) |
| 09:34:46 | LinusN | rockbox is still about playing audio |
| 09:35:37 | Bagder | noooo |
| 09:35:40 | Bagder | rockbox is about doom! |
| 09:35:44 | * | Bagder runs |
| 09:35:53 | aliask | And the gameboy emulator! |
| 09:36:21 | Slasheri | LinusN: do you think that priorities should be always used when they are enabled compile time? |
| 09:36:27 | moda | how optimized is rockboy on the ipod video btw? |
| 09:36:32 | Slasheri | at least i don't see any need to disable them |
| 09:36:41 | LinusN | yes i think so |
| 09:36:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clearly Rockbox is about pretty While Playing Screens. Why else would people continually request the ability to see the WPS even when playback was stopped? |
| 09:36:55 | Slasheri | ok, sounds good. then there is no need for that setting at all |
| 09:37:05 | LinusN | exactly |
| 09:37:39 | moda | LAG WOO |
| 09:37:57 | Bagder | moda: behave |
| 09:38:01 | LinusN | this patch would not do us any good if we still have to handle the unprioritized case |
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| 09:38:10 | moda | sorry, everything lagged out :( |
| 09:38:12 | linuxstb | moda: There has been almost no work on Rockboy for a very long time. I'm sure there's room for ipod optimisations. |
| 09:38:24 | moda | mk then :p |
| 09:38:40 | Bagder | moda: don't let us stop you from grabbing that task! |
| 09:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lots of room for them, I'd imagine. |
| 09:38:58 | * | moda waits for someone to try out video build on 5.5g |
| 09:39:11 | moda | Bagder I would if I had any clue about programming what so ever :p |
| 09:39:15 | linuxstb | There's an ARM assembler Z80 emulation core in iBoy that someone should test... |
| 09:39:26 | Bagder | moda: you learn quickly once you start trying |
| 09:39:42 | Slasheri | LinusN: at least it made some code cleaner.. especially kernel.c :) |
| 09:39:49 | moda | I tried learning c++ once :| |
| 09:41:09 | moda | whats the enthusiest build for the ipod video? |
| 09:41:27 | webguest57 | Paul_The_Nerd: it's not about pretty WPS, it's more about the overall screen/state concept |
| 09:41:48 | Bagder | moda: the what? |
| 09:42:37 | moda | like what Kosh build is for the h3xx, except for the video... |
| 09:42:48 | moda | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38915 aka this |
| 09:42:58 | linuxstb | moda: Check the forums - there are various unofficial ipod builds. |
| 09:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda: There's a whole Unsupported Builds section in our forums for stuff like that |
| 09:43:06 | * | moda slaps head |
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| 09:44:55 | moda | nm, found the one i was thinking about ;) |
| 09:45:13 | moda | holy shit you can have a splashscreen now :O |
| 09:45:50 | Bagder | wow, you can actually change what is seen on the screen? </sarcasm> |
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| 09:46:20 | moda | Bagder.... bootloader splashscreen :p |
| 09:46:47 | webguest666 | is mp3 gapless on rockbox only if encoded with LAME ? |
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| 09:48:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest666: Encoded with lame, or all your songs end on frame boundaries. |
| 09:49:18 | webguest666 | hmm, so generally speaking non LAME encoded stuff isn't gapless |
| 09:50:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | For MP3, yes. |
| 09:50:14 | webguest666 | ta |
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| 09:50:40 | webguest666 | anyone for a beer :> |
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| 10:00:12 | linuxstb | From what I've read, it seems that itunes doesn't modify existing MP3s when adding the gapless info - meaning any extra info must be stored in the itunesdb... |
| 10:01:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm surprised Apple even bothers with MP3 at all. |
| 10:02:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | MP3 has pretty much been treated as "unwanted, but necessary for the unwashed masses to buy our gadget" since the iPod began I think. |
| 10:02:34 | crwl | from what i remember, wasn't AAC actually at least as bad as MP3 when it comes to gapless playback? |
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| 10:03:05 | linuxstb | Yes, it has exactly the same issues as MP3. |
| 10:04:42 | * | petur hopes the anouncement of the 80GB ipod means the disk will finally be available |
| 10:04:53 | linuxstb | Or the opposite - Apple have bought them all... |
| 10:04:58 | petur | grrrr |
| 10:05:05 | Bagder | but an ipod to get the disk! |
| 10:05:07 | Bagder | buy |
| 10:05:20 | linuxstb | But no, I've seen some links on misticriver to websites selling the 80GB drive. |
| 10:05:34 | linuxstb | That was a few weeks ago. |
| 10:06:01 | petur | ah... I stopped looking for one months ago - just gave up ;) |
| 10:06:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | If they sold 40gb single platter iPods, I'd probably buy it for the disk, swap it with my H120, and use the 20gb iPod Video for videos, and the 40gb H120 for music. |
| 10:06:23 | linuxstb | I think the price was around 170 euro. |
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| 10:08:54 | linuxstb | Ah, checking misticriver again, it seems the supplier advertising availability wasn't being entirely truthful... It's gone back to have no estimated delivery date. :( |
| 10:10:47 | petur | ah well... what's another year |
| 10:12:49 | linuxstb | Or as Bagder said, buy an ipod and swap the drives... We need more ipod developers :) |
| 10:13:15 | petur | what's the use, I hardly have time for any development :/ |
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| 10:19:11 | webguest01 | are the early Archos Jukebox players gapless irrespective of coder used ? |
| 10:21:53 | linuxstb | webguest01: The short answer is no. See here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo |
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| 10:22:49 | Babbelaar | I have a BIG question! |
| 10:23:09 | * | LinusN prepares a BIG answer |
| 10:23:15 | Babbelaar | Well I have had Rockbox on my Iriver for about a week |
| 10:23:21 | LinusN | thats big |
| 10:23:24 | Babbelaar | WAIT |
| 10:23:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:23:29 | Babbelaar | the quesiton is about to come! :D |
| 10:23:40 | Babbelaar | Now my computer doesn't recognise my iriver at all |
| 10:24:09 | Babbelaar | when i connect to it AND when I am on my iriver firmware it says I have 0 Folders and 0 Files when clearly i have +1000 |
| 10:24:49 | Babbelaar | When my Iriver (H340 that is) says that it is connected to the computer it doesn't appear on the computer at all :( |
| 10:25:01 | Babbelaar | and now my question is how to fix that :D |
| 10:25:28 | LinusN | there is a risk that the hard drive is either bad, or badly connected inside the iriver |
| 10:25:47 | Babbelaar | Does that mean it will stay like that forever? :( |
| 10:25:53 | LinusN | until you fix it |
| 10:25:58 | Babbelaar | How do i fix it lol? |
| 10:26:05 | LinusN | is the computer a laptop? |
| 10:26:09 | Babbelaar | A mac |
| 10:26:14 | Babbelaar | Imac |
| 10:26:38 | Babbelaar | It comes up on my Windows but doesn't come up on my Mac and at school it didin't come up on theri computers either when usually it does |
| 10:27:01 | LinusN | wait a sec, does it work on your windows computer? |
| 10:27:12 | Babbelaar | It does |
| 10:27:23 | Babbelaar | But on the windows computers at school it doesn't work when it used to |
| 10:28:06 | LinusN | then it's 1) not a rockbox problem and 2) not a problem with your iriver |
| 10:28:34 | Babbelaar | but it only happened after i d/l Rockbox |
| 10:28:50 | Babbelaar | I have had Rockbox for about a week mind you |
| 10:28:54 | LinusN | you should connect it to the windows computer and perform a scandisk |
| 10:29:22 | Babbelaar | ok :) |
| 10:29:41 | Babbelaar | But if its not a problem with my Iriver or Rockbox then what is the problem lol? |
| 10:29:55 | LinusN | the file system may be corrupt |
| 10:30:10 | Babbelaar | ok |
| 10:30:27 | LinusN | possibly because you have disconnected from usb it in a bad way |
| 10:30:42 | Babbelaar | .. |
| 10:30:44 | LinusN | wow, that was some nice grammar... |
| 10:31:00 | Babbelaar | I have been doing that .. |
| 10:31:45 | Babbelaar | Is their any reason though why on my Iriver Firmware it says I have no songs but on my rockbox firmware it does? |
| 10:32:00 | LinusN | again, the file system may be corrupt |
| 10:32:14 | Babbelaar | :'( |
| 10:32:17 | Babbelaar | lol ty |
| 10:32:23 | Babbelaar | gtg now ty for the help :) |
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| 10:32:25 | LinusN | scandisk should be able to fix it |
| 10:36:15 | webguest01 | do macs recognise non mac file formats ? |
| 10:36:27 | webguest01 | i know this isn't a mac forum :) |
| 10:37:06 | linuxstb | Are you running Mac OS 9 or Mac OS X? |
| 10:37:24 | * | linuxstb just sees the quit message :) |
| 10:39:09 | webguest01 | in my minds eye I have always envisage Macs as products for aristocrats, and I like what the french did to the nobelese |
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| 10:41:49 | nudelyn | anyone know a program, other than mp3tag (doesn't seem to work too well), which will take folder.jpg and put it into wma and mp3 files in the same directory, en mass? |
| 10:45:19 | aliask | Anyone know why they put ID3v2 tags at the front of the file? |
| 10:45:47 | linuxstb | For streaming? |
| 10:46:25 | aliask | Yes, that would be a good reason ... :) |
| 10:46:33 | Bagder | and its way faster for rockbox |
| 10:46:43 | linuxstb | Bagder: Probably not the reason though :) |
| 10:47:12 | Bagder | I think they could forsee Rockbox and thought about us |
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| 10:49:39 | JdGordon | rockbox's read_line function reads one byte at a time until the \n yeah? would changing that to reading a heap of bytes and then seeking backwards if we went to far be faster? |
| 10:51:52 | JdGordon | anyone? |
| 10:52:07 | Bagder | there's already buffering done |
| 10:52:27 | JdGordon | ok, so no then? |
| 10:52:28 | Bagder | so I'm not sure it'll make a noticable difference |
| 10:56:08 | * | LinusN has a deja-vu experience |
| 10:56:42 | JdGordon | was it as fun the 2nd time around? |
| 10:56:58 | mirak5 | hi |
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| 10:58:30 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, by you even |
| 10:59:04 | * | moda falls over |
| 10:59:06 | JdGordon | last time it was brought up no one mentioned buffering.... iirc i was told because its hardly used it wouldnt be worth fixing it... |
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| 10:59:28 | moda | anyone know how to stick cuesheets into mp3's or oggs? |
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| 11:00:22 | mirak5 | what is it ? |
| 11:00:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: the buffering is done on the file system level |
| 11:00:48 | moda | cuesheets contain the song titles and artists for long mp3 music sets.... |
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| 11:01:38 | Bagder | moda: yes, but they are not "into" music files, they are separate |
| 11:01:56 | linuxstb | moda: I expect foobar could do it. |
| 11:02:16 | webguest13 | I didn't know ipods get a "white screen of death" http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2015196,00.asp |
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| 11:15:19 | jhMikeS | LinusN: You said you sent me a mail yesterday but I never got it. What list was it on? |
| 11:16:54 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-09/0019.shtml |
| 11:16:58 | Bagder | I believe |
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| 11:51:38 | lex | so, something new on the new nanos? |
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| 11:58:23 | preglow | what lex said |
| 11:59:19 | amiconn | Looks like the new nano has got a metal case like the minis |
| 11:59:24 | preglow | deed |
| 11:59:32 | amiconn | At least one change for the better |
| 11:59:37 | preglow | more curious about the internals |
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| 12:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's smaller and yet has more battery life. |
| 12:04:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least "Thinner" |
| 12:04:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, that almost guarantees some components have been replaced considering how full it is, right? |
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| 12:05:54 | amiconn | Better battery life might point towards PP5022 |
| 12:06:41 | dan_a | Perhaps they've done some reverse engineering and managed to getter a better battery life in the same way we do on Archos... |
| 12:06:42 | amiconn | Perhaps also less power-consuming flash and backlight |
| 12:12:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also maybe just a better battery as well |
| 12:13:07 | * | SeymourGlass laughs |
| 12:14:10 | SeymourGlass | I see often people here say that ipods & apple sux, but when they release anything new theres a lot of discussion , wishful thinking etc |
| 12:14:33 | Bagder | eh |
| 12:14:40 | Bagder | those are different people you know |
| 12:14:53 | Bagder | we don't have a uniform opinion all of us |
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| 12:16:08 | belze | i just wonder if they improved the sound quality of the nano |
| 12:16:22 | belze | the actual one sounds quite bad with the apple firmware |
| 12:18:43 | SeymourGlass | hm |
| 12:18:46 | SeymourGlass | I can confirm |
| 12:19:18 | SeymourGlass | that I'm able to play 720x306 H264 @ 1.5mbps perfectly with firmware 1.2 |
| 12:19:20 | lex | hmm a black or white ipod video 80GB for me? :p |
| 12:19:33 | SeymourGlass | so we reached ability to watch dvd-like resolutions |
| 12:19:39 | lex | :O |
| 12:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does that have to do with Rockbox though? |
| 12:20:16 | belze | nothing so far ;) |
| 12:20:35 | SeymourGlass | who cares |
| 12:20:41 | Bagder | we do |
| 12:21:11 | SeymourGlass | as long as rockbox has that ticking sound when using ipod, its only a very good project to keep an eye on |
| 12:21:16 | Bagder | hence #rockbox and not #ipod |
| 12:21:45 | SeymourGlass | of course it is not a problem for other players, so rockbox rules, I tried it, but couldn't really listen to that ticking |
| 12:22:02 | Bagder | never heard about that before |
| 12:22:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody's actually reported a ticking on Rockbox on iPod, have they? |
| 12:22:31 | Bagder | not that I've seen |
| 12:22:32 | lex | nope |
| 12:23:12 | SeymourGlass | Bagder: I reported it about a week ago |
| 12:23:21 | SeymourGlass | theres also a forum post about this |
| 12:23:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you actually file a bug report in the tracker? |
| 12:23:36 | SeymourGlass | the people here said that its a known bug but they have no solution for it right now |
| 12:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, could you point me to the forum post? |
| 12:23:46 | Bagder | yeah, there's a report #4937 |
| 12:24:11 | Bagder | although nobody has filed any comments in there |
| 12:24:13 | lex | hey |
| 12:24:19 | SeymourGlass | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4937 |
| 12:24:21 | Bagder | in spite of lostlogic's questions |
| 12:24:23 | lex | how like is the video played on a tv with a 5g? |
| 12:24:27 | lex | is it blurry? :o |
| 12:24:34 | SeymourGlass | lex: its great |
| 12:24:41 | lex | really? :o |
| 12:24:41 | SeymourGlass | now its just awesome |
| 12:24:47 | lex | hmm i gotta buy a video then |
| 12:24:50 | lex | 80GB of course |
| 12:24:57 | SeymourGlass | you can do 1.5mbps 720x306 @ 30fps |
| 12:25:01 | lex | omg |
| 12:25:14 | SeymourGlass | no scene released xvids has that bitrate |
| 12:25:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | SeymourGlass: As you may have noticed not only is that bug report many months old, but the poster never responded to the questions asked of him. Which makes it very hard for further work to happen. |
| 12:25:22 | lex | i know |
| 12:25:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | SeymourGlass: Also, this isn't the right place to talk about changes in the Apple firmware. |
| 12:25:37 | SeymourGlass | Paul_The_Nerd: I will point you to the post |
| 12:25:38 | lex | Paul_The_Nerd: don't whine about it now, i just want to know |
| 12:25:39 | SeymourGlass | wait a sec |
| 12:25:49 | Bagder | I would actually expect reports without responses to get closed after a given time |
| 12:25:55 | lex | Paul_The_Nerd: i have a photo and i want to buy a video to replace it :( |
| 12:26:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lex: PMs do exist. |
| 12:26:40 | lex | 30 euros for that charger? no way :( |
| 12:26:47 | SeymourGlass | Bagder: there was a discussio about this |
| 12:26:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Buy the cheapest powered USB hub you can find. |
| 12:26:54 | SeymourGlass | I can't find it anymore |
| 12:26:57 | Bagder | SeymourGlass: not in the report |
| 12:27:12 | SeymourGlass | Bagder: well I don't care for birocraty, I didn't make that report anyway |
| 12:27:13 | Bagder | development should never rely on anything in any forum |
| 12:27:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | SeymourGlass: The forums are *not* where bugs should be reported or discussed if anyone wants actual action to occur. |
| 12:27:25 | SeymourGlass | Paul_The_Nerd: I didn't |
| 12:27:28 | Bagder | SeymourGlass: so shutup then |
| 12:27:49 | SeymourGlass | I just got the bug, asked here and they explained me that its known |
| 12:27:51 | Bagder | whining but not helping |
| 12:27:53 | SeymourGlass | I believe it was linuxstb |
| 12:28:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | If Rockbox isn't good enough for you yet, feel free to use the retail firmware. |
| 12:28:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But as has been said more than once, this isn't the place for discussing firmwares that are *not* Rockbox except in the context of trying to guess how they did something so that Rockbox can improve. |
| 12:28:39 | SeymourGlass | if it wasn't I wouldn't be sitting here |
| 12:30:08 | SeymourGlass | Paul_The_Nerd: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3179.0 |
| 12:30:12 | SeymourGlass | thats the link they gave me |
| 12:30:41 | Bagder | still, I think adding info in the correct bug report is helpful |
| 12:30:47 | Bagder | talking about a forum thread is not |
| 12:31:04 | Bagder | imho |
| 12:32:17 | SeymourGlass | Ok sorry |
| 12:32:20 | SeymourGlass | No problem then |
| 12:33:56 | lex | is a black 5g cooler than a white 5g? :p |
| 12:33:59 | lex | i mean the look |
| 12:34:08 | SeymourGlass | lex: pm me |
| 12:34:28 | lex | (13:34:17) [freenode] -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 12:34:32 | lex | :( |
| 12:34:42 | lex | can't register my nick, because someone has already taken it |
| 12:34:54 | SeymourGlass | so choose another one |
| 12:35:10 | lex | na |
| 12:35:57 | SeymourGlass | so come to #ipod |
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| 12:54:41 | webguest24 | I have a spreadsheet which will graphically display freq response according to parameters, but its 177KB zipped, and therefore can't upload it to the forum, anyway one opf you can do it, its really handy to visualise EQ settings |
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| 12:55:56 | preglow | is it the rbj one? |
| 12:56:02 | preglow | if so, just link to the one on musicdsp.org |
| 12:56:07 | webguest24 | yes thats the one preglow |
| 12:56:20 | webguest24 | ah thats where it came from, thanks |
| 12:56:38 | preglow | http://www.musicdsp.org/files/rbj_eq.xls |
| 12:56:42 | webguest24 | ta |
| 12:57:09 | preglow | that's the exact filters we use, so yes, that might be helpful for some people |
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| 13:10:05 | preglow | petur! |
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| 13:11:42 | petur | hmmm |
| 13:12:46 | Mmmm | petur: how was scotland? make friends with many midges? |
| 13:13:14 | petur | don't start about midges - they're awful |
| 13:13:22 | Mmmm | lol.. |
| 13:13:51 | Mmmm | I think if you stay near the coast you can avoid them but otherwisae it's hell |
| 13:13:59 | petur | the book I read was wrong - midge season ends mid september, not earlier :/ |
| 13:14:03 | preglow | what the hell are midges? :> |
| 13:14:13 | Mmmm | you really dont weant to know! |
| 13:14:35 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midge_%28insect%29 |
| 13:14:38 | aliask | Tiny mosquito things, they are terrible. |
| 13:14:46 | preglow | haha |
| 13:14:49 | preglow | we get tons of those in norway |
| 13:14:49 | petur | very tiny and lots of them |
| 13:15:01 | preglow | at least similar things |
| 13:15:44 | preglow | tons of insects in all |
| 13:16:14 | Mmmm | insects I have no problems with but midges should all die! |
| 13:16:27 | * | petur agrees with Mmmm |
| 13:16:28 | preglow | what do they do that's so annoying? |
| 13:16:56 | petur | once one has found you it releases something that attracts the rest of them |
| 13:17:10 | preglow | i thought all insects behaved like that :> |
| 13:17:20 | Bagder | midges seem to be the same mosquito also very common in northern Sweden |
| 13:17:27 | Bagder | during summer |
| 13:17:37 | preglow | then i bet it's the same we get here |
| 13:17:45 | preglow | although we get all sorts up here |
| 13:17:46 | Bagder | "knott" |
| 13:17:51 | preglow | yes, knott indeed |
| 13:18:36 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hasn't been bitten by an insect in over a year. |
| 13:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think they stopped liking me. |
| 13:18:59 | Mmmm | If whenever you meet one it causes you to wrap whatever you can get your hands on around your head and lots of swearing and running around in circles then they are the same things! |
| 13:19:29 | petur | heh - I recognize that behaviour |
| 13:19:30 | preglow | whenever it's warm enough to comfortably sit outside, there's insects |
| 13:19:34 | preglow | when there's insects, i get bitten |
| 13:19:44 | Bagder | I can recommend the tsetse flies |
| 13:19:49 | Bagder | ;-) |
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| 13:21:48 | * | petur reads that an area of 2m x 2m produces about 500000 midges |
| 13:21:58 | preglow | yes, the do keep it going |
| 13:22:02 | preglow | they... |
| 13:22:08 | * | Mmmm passes out in fear |
| 13:22:16 | preglow | i wonder what 'klegg' is called in english |
| 13:22:18 | preglow | they're nice too |
| 13:22:30 | Bagder | don't know that one |
| 13:22:36 | preglow | also, they really bloody bite |
| 13:22:42 | webguest20 | H140, files within a directory dont display when using remote to navigate |
| 13:23:02 | Mmmm | who else read flies instead of files there? :D |
| 13:23:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 13:23:18 | webguest20 | using default rockbox wps |
| 13:23:26 | webguest20 | for boh main and remote |
| 13:23:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | What if you use the main unit to navigate? |
| 13:23:40 | webguest20 | works fine |
| 13:23:45 | Bagder | very strange |
| 13:23:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you saying folders are showing up empty? |
| 13:24:04 | webguest20 | yes |
| 13:24:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or what, exactly? |
| 13:24:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you see the folders, but not their contents? |
| 13:24:40 | webguest20 | no, I select my music folder> enter and just the cursor shows |
| 13:25:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | And your music folder has subfolders? |
| 13:25:11 | webguest20 | yes |
| 13:25:23 | webguest20 | album - artist |
| 13:25:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is this new behaviour, or has it been doing this for a while? |
| 13:26:12 | webguest20 | i thought i waould try my remote today, just to see how it works, and this is what i get |
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| 13:26:33 | webguest20 | i dont normally use remote so this is the first time i notice this |
| 13:26:56 | * | tucoz tells Bagder and preglow that "klegg" is called "broms" in sweden |
| 13:27:03 | Bagder | aha |
| 13:27:13 | Bagder | they can bite |
| 13:27:25 | preglow | really, now |
| 13:27:27 | Bagder | they're in the tsetse league indeed |
| 13:27:31 | preglow | heh |
| 13:27:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest20: And do you see *anything* on your screen when you enter the folder, besides the status bar? |
| 13:27:49 | webguest20 | using the remote, no |
| 13:27:52 | tucoz | have you been bitten by a tsetse fly? |
| 13:27:59 | Bagder | yeah |
| 13:28:05 | Bagder | several in fact |
| 13:28:15 | tucoz | isn't those that can spread sleeping desease? |
| 13:28:19 | Bagder | they do |
| 13:28:24 | tucoz | Did you get it? |
| 13:28:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest20: What exactly are you pressing? |
| 13:28:28 | Bagder | believe me, I tried to avoid it |
| 13:28:35 | Bagder | no I didn't |
| 13:28:44 | Mmmm | midges are more in the swarm, annoy and nibble and annoy some more variety than the big bite variety |
| 13:28:55 | tucoz | I got dengue fever in thailand. That was ...well... a tough one |
| 13:28:58 | Bagder | tsetses are as fast as normal flies |
| 13:29:08 | webguest20 | Paul: lower right remote slider |
| 13:29:20 | Bagder | tucoz: whoa, I can imagine |
| 13:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest20: Try clicking the top-left slider in, on a folder. |
| 13:30:06 | preglow | tucoz: ouch |
| 13:30:31 | Mmmm | webguest20: that's the scroll button, scroll back with vol - and then press NAVI to enter the directory |
| 13:30:36 | tucoz | I fainted on the street, and was driven to the hospital. Stayed there for 4 days with intravenous floud (due to the dehydration that I got from the fever) |
| 13:31:01 | tucoz | *fluid |
| 13:31:52 | tucoz | anyway. wonder what those new nanos will cost in norway |
| 13:32:10 | webguest20 | ok, that worked, silly me using the vol button, as a nav button |
| 13:32:17 | tucoz | maybe the same as the old ones |
| 13:32:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest20: The controls *should* be covered in the manual, I believe. |
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| 13:32:32 | preglow | tucoz: probably nothing too far off |
| 13:32:39 | webguest20 | sorry about that |
| 13:32:44 | preglow | i fear i've caught some kind of apple disease |
| 13:32:48 | preglow | i find i really want a new nano now :> |
| 13:32:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those aluminum shells are kinda sleek. |
| 13:33:02 | tucoz | hehe. yeah. those look nice |
| 13:33:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or "aluminium" depending on where you're from. |
| 13:33:16 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:33:19 | preglow | "aluminum" cracks me up |
| 13:33:42 | webguest20 | what threw me was the response I was getting when using the remote volume button to navigate, strange behaviour |
| 13:33:56 | tucoz | i don't think i will ever catch an apple disease after spending some time in OS X the last couple of days. |
| 13:34:25 | Bagder | tucoz: as a punishement for something stupid you did? ;-) |
| 13:34:25 | webguest20 | ahould the remote volume button affect/navigate like that |
| 13:34:25 | chendo_ | i want a macbook... then install linux on it ;/ |
| 13:34:27 | chendo_ | or something |
| 13:34:36 | chendo_ | and virtualize windows |
| 13:35:00 | chendo_ | and might as well run MoL (if that works on the new intel macs) |
| 13:35:31 | webguest20 | could the H140 remote volume button be prevented from navigating menus "blankly" ? |
| 13:35:37 | Mmmm | webguest20: The vol +- buttons scroll the text left/right |
| 13:35:49 | tucoz | Bagder: I bought an external hd to use for backups and helped my gf backing up her photos. iPhoto is insanely weird in the way it stores stuff on the hd. |
| 13:36:36 | dan_a | tucoz: And iTunes isn't?! |
| 13:36:41 | webguest20 | ah, so thats it designed feature, thanks |
| 13:36:58 | tucoz | and the external hd got cluttered with dot slash files and i am not sure i succeded in backing up those photos... |
| 13:37:16 | tucoz | dan_a: I would expect iTunes to be equally insane |
| 13:37:34 | webguest20 | now I understand why I was getting blank screens, any way that this 'beahviour could make its way into the manual |
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| 13:39:51 | webguest20 | can I disable the horizontal remote scroll feature ? |
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| 13:41:41 | webguest20 | the horizontal scroll feature that the remotes volume button has, can that be disbaled ? |
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| 13:52:31 | webguest20 | strange how my first instinct navigating with the remote was to use the vol button to expand a directory, dont know where that came from |
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| 13:53:38 | billodo | can somebody point me to the url that details the differences between a cvs and a daily build |
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| 13:54:49 | Bagder | billodo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ#What_s_with_all_the_different_ve |
| 13:55:36 | billodo | thx |
| 13:56:41 | webguest20 | well, thanks for clarifying that up, naughty horizontal scroller |
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| 14:11:27 | billodo | tried a daily build from 09-11 on ipod3g...scary buggy.. would cvs build be any better? |
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| 14:15:15 | linuxstb | billodo: What bugs? But I doubt anything has changed since then... |
| 14:16:36 | billodo | linuxstb: ummm... a lot of bugs... freezes when pause hit, freezes about every 3rd power up |
| 14:17:23 | billodo | linuxstb: not to mention the non-bugs like codec skipping |
| 14:18:22 | billodo | linuxstb: I'm interested in helping out, if I can find a bit of time |
| 14:18:44 | linuxstb | I wasn't aware there were any bugs apart from the codec skipping issue. But there's only one developer working on the 3g, and I think you're the first user I've seen... |
| 14:19:01 | billodo | I was afraid of that |
| 14:19:12 | billodo | perhaps not worth it then |
| 14:20:24 | billodo | I assume there is a prescribed process for reporting these bugs... on the forums? |
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| 14:22:29 | linuxstb | There's a bug tracker for Rockbox - you could add them to that. Choose "ipod 3g" for the "operating system" category - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
| 14:23:17 | billodo | ok, cool...I guess this gives me incentive to tear into the code... or go off and fork out the dough for a different target player (any recommendations?) |
| 14:23:36 | SeymourGlass | iAudio X5? |
| 14:24:04 | billodo | sounds reasonable,, how much $ ? |
| 14:25:03 | SeymourGlass | dunno |
| 14:25:09 | SeymourGlass | I have an ipod |
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| 14:26:07 | billodo | I was hoping that I could breathe new life into my 3G, as I'm sick of iTunes, but alas.... |
| 14:26:52 | billodo | oh well, its a nice 40gig storage device anyway |
| 14:28:24 | mirak5 | linuxstb about clipping in mpeg2 to keep values between 0 and 255, have you understand that it can happen only with corrupted streams with missing datas for exemple are |
| 14:29:01 | mirak5 | or/are for any normal stream ? Because if it's the first case, I want to get rid of it. |
| 14:31:46 | linuxstb | Sorry, I've no idea. You could try looking in other mpeg2 decoders to see if they do the clipping - e.g. ffmpeg. |
| 14:33:48 | preglow | it happens normally in all transform codecs |
| 14:34:22 | preglow | so i'm pretty sure it almost happens all the time in mpeg video |
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| 14:36:11 | amiconn | Slightly out-of-range value can always happen due to roundoff errors, qunatisation and stuff |
| 14:36:45 | amiconn | Severe out-of-range values are usually due to a corrupt datastream |
| 14:36:53 | amiconn | So no, the clipping has to stay |
| 14:37:07 | preglow | it usually just happens as a direct consequence of the original data being reconstructed from just some of its coefficients |
| 14:37:18 | dan_a | billodo: I'm the dev with a 3G - I've not noticed these sorts of things on mine, but most of the time I'm running experimental things on it. |
| 14:37:24 | preglow | that's why mp3 files clip so badly all the time |
| 14:38:06 | amiconn | All the time? |
| 14:38:28 | * | amiconn didn't notice any clipping in decent mp3 encodings |
| 14:38:53 | preglow | all the time |
| 14:39:10 | preglow | it's not always immediately noticable |
| 14:39:36 | preglow | it's a really good reason to use replaygain |
| 14:39:52 | preglow | amiconn: i can give you an example when i boot windows afterwards |
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| 14:43:06 | JdGordon | can make be run from inside gdb so i dont have to keep quiting then rerunnig it aagain for the sim? |
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| 14:51:57 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: i tihnk i got real values saving correctly :D |
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| 15:06:16 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Really. cool! You're actually saving real values or you neatened up the lookup tables and such? |
| 15:06:51 | JdGordon | atm saving the real value... and converting it to an index for the options list when needed |
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| 15:08:15 | jhMikeS | what do you mean saving? How you gonna fit that it the rtc_bits and hd_bits? |
| 15:08:49 | JdGordon | static const char *backlight_times_strings[] = { |
| 15:08:50 | JdGordon | _REALVAL("off",-1),_REALVAL("on",0),_REALVAL("1",1),_REALVAL("2",2), |
| 15:08:50 | JdGordon | _REALVAL("3",3),_REALVAL("4",4),_REALVAL("5",5),_REALVAL("6",6), |
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| 15:08:50 | JdGordon | _REALVAL("7",7),_REALVAL("8",8),_REALVAL("9",9),_REALVAL("10",10), |
| 15:08:50 | JdGordon | _REALVAL("15",15),_REALVAL("20",20),_REALVAL("25",25),_REALVAL("30",30), |
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| 15:08:50 | JdGordon | _REALVAL("45",45),_REALVAL("60",60),_REALVAL("90",90)}; |
| 15:09:13 | JdGordon | and that gets pointed to by the *_bits replacement |
| 15:10:34 | jhMikeS | This is meant to be used by other code such to look up the values too right? What if real values are not char sized? |
| 15:11:09 | JdGordon | real value has to be int... and yes, other code will be able to convert to/from real value |
| 15:11:21 | JdGordon | the fake value can either be a char* or a int |
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| 15:11:34 | jhMikeS | fake value? |
| 15:11:48 | JdGordon | the strings in above |
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| 15:12:48 | preglow | petur: btw, seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5972 ? |
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| 15:13:49 | petur | preglow: now I have |
| 15:14:01 | petur | this is from the AGC |
| 15:15:12 | petur | the author of the AGC hasn't been around in months |
| 15:16:03 | petur | (Jvo Studer) |
| 15:16:14 | preglow | right |
| 15:16:19 | preglow | then we should perhaps just commit that patch |
| 15:16:39 | petur | yes, either me or Mmmm or you if you like ;) |
| 15:17:24 | petur | should check what that balance value should be so it doesn't change anything to the gain |
| 15:17:33 | preglow | you go ahead :> |
| 15:17:40 | petur | tonight... |
| 15:17:47 | jhMikeS | oh no...more commits in the recording arena... |
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| 15:18:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: what, you got more stuff coming up? |
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| 15:18:52 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes...lots |
| 15:18:56 | preglow | like what? |
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| 15:20:18 | jhMikeS | lazy file writing, sample rates, settings by format, enhancements to the way codecs can write data, etc. etc. |
| 15:21:04 | jhMikeS | though I don't know if AGC should interfere with anything |
| 15:21:29 | petur | probably not |
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| 15:22:10 | jhMikeS | Is the AGC strictly software? I haven't noticed it on the x5 but I haven't been using it much lately |
| 15:22:19 | petur | yes |
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| 15:23:02 | JdGordon | is backlight time of -1 mean off or on? |
| 15:23:03 | petur | there's a HW AGC in the UDA for the mic (mono) but we don't use it |
| 15:23:11 | petur | (iriver) |
| 15:23:11 | jhMikeS | it could be used on x5 then |
| 15:23:22 | petur | sure |
| 15:23:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: -1 should be on, 0 should be off |
| 15:23:30 | jhMikeS | -1 is off |
| 15:23:34 | petur | just put HAVE_AGC in the config file |
| 15:23:53 | amiconn | (with the new code) |
| 15:24:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: but currently? -1 is off? |
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| 15:24:09 | * | jhMikeS doesn't remember now -1, 0, on, off heh |
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| 15:24:48 | JdGordon | backlight.c suggests -1 is on.. |
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| 15:26:14 | jhMikeS | < 0 = off |
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| 15:27:07 | daurn_ | arg |
| 15:27:07 | JdGordon | the backlight code expects a index, not a time in seconds... |
| 15:27:09 | daurn_ | wtf |
| 15:27:29 | daurn_ | this connection |
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| 15:27:42 | JdGordon | .. or is that what we want to get rid of? |
| 15:27:44 | jhMikeS | only backlight_set_timeout which converts it to a timeout internally |
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| 15:28:06 | jhMikeS | and (remote_*set*) |
| 15:28:43 | * | jhMikeS notices a pain in his ass |
| 15:29:08 | * | petur wonders where JdGordon shot |
| 15:29:50 | * | JdGordon starts to think this settings rework is gonna fail because of the sheer bloody size of it :'( |
| 15:29:59 | jhMikeS | If you change the -1=off,0==on thing |
| 15:30:19 | jhMikeS | backlight code will have to be all changed too |
| 15:31:13 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: It's not smaller/same when compiled? |
| 15:31:23 | JdGordon | its much smaller atm... |
| 15:31:52 | JdGordon | ~11kb on h300 |
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| 15:32:30 | * | jhMikeS is thinking about how to make those arrays of real values tiny |
| 15:33:23 | JdGordon | noooo.... its good enough... it wont be used often i dont tihnk.. |
| 15:33:48 | jhMikeS | I think the displayed string and talk parts should go there too |
| 15:34:16 | JdGordon | anyway, now the real values thing works im going to undo the changes for backlight so it takes an index again and move on.. it can be done after this is commited (it it is) |
| 15:34:24 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: they do |
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| 15:35:04 | jhMikeS | All data for a setting can be combined in one entry then? String/Talk/value/cfg file string? |
| 15:35:07 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: this is the header which defines the list item struct.. http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/dUis1e68.html |
| 15:35:24 | JdGordon | everything... type, talks, strings, option callback |
| 15:35:35 | JdGordon | + how to store it in the config |
| 15:35:39 | JdGordon | everything.... |
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| 15:36:40 | JdGordon | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/RgcASG54.html is a snippet of what the list array actually looks like |
| 15:37:21 | jhMikeS | I think all callbacks should be able to take a pointer to data. |
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| 15:37:32 | * | JdGordon agrees |
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| 15:40:16 | mirak5 | amiconn an out of range value would result in a bit between 0 and 255. |
| 15:40:20 | jhMikeS | but the real values don't do into the settings list too then? |
| 15:40:30 | JdGordon | they do |
| 15:41:27 | mirak5 | on the streams I have I see not difference. but well getting read of that doesn't improve that much since it's once per dot, unlike idct wich need to get 16 times a dot. |
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| 15:41:37 | mirak5 | rid/read |
| 15:42:07 | JdGordon | e.g... repeat mode (as a bad example if it were to use them), would change to CHOICE_ITEM(0,repeat_mode,LANG_REPEAT, REPEAT_ALL, NULL,NUM_REPEAT_MODES, REALVAL(LANG_OFF,1),REAL_VAL(,LANG_ALL,16)... |
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| 15:45:31 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: u can check out the whole patch so far at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding?rev=9;filename=changes.diff |
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| 16:08:10 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: how bout doing away with the global_settings structure too or at least explicit definition of it? I suggested having macros that are different with different defined so various structures and array and such can be automatically generated. |
| 16:08:58 | JdGordon | i rekon thats a bad idea... all setting variables should be "global" and centralised... |
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| 16:09:09 | JdGordon | how else would the plugins/codecs access them? |
| 16:09:20 | tucoz | Is it possible to delete a wiki page? |
| 16:09:58 | tucoz | Rockblox is still in the wiki. Should I delete it, or simply remove the CategoryPlugin from the page? |
| 16:10:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: they would be centralized and in the global_settings struct still but no explicit editing of that structure should be needed |
| 16:10:51 | JdGordon | another thing.... you wont be able to easily scan the settins list visually to find the setting you may be looking for |
| 16:11:18 | JdGordon | well you would.. but it might not look "as nice" |
| 16:11:37 | tucoz | I just delete the topic |
| 16:12:28 | tucoz | ...or not. I am not allowed to do so. |
| 16:12:40 | JdGordon | only one way to find out.... |
| 16:12:43 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Just add a comment line right before it maybe? |
| 16:12:45 | bluebrother | tucoz, why not add a note that it has been removed? So it's at least available as a reference. |
| 16:13:01 | tucoz | ah, yes. probably better |
| 16:13:02 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ye, but... i dunno.... |
| 16:13:10 | tucoz | but remove it from the plugin index? |
| 16:13:29 | tucoz | as it is not shipped with rockbox |
| 16:13:40 | bluebrother | changing the topic so it doesn't show up on the PluginsIndex page. |
| 16:13:54 | tucoz | yes |
| 16:14:03 | bluebrother | wasn't that done by changing the category? |
| 16:14:50 | tucoz | yes. Just remove the CategoryPlugin stuff at the bottom of the page |
| 16:15:07 | bluebrother | maybe using a new category "old plugins" or similar for people who are still using an older release of rockbox. |
| 16:15:08 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm adding an ARRAYLEN macro initally for my convenience cause that sizoef(items)/sizeof(*items) is so damn common |
| 16:15:31 | JdGordon | k |
| 16:15:33 | tucoz | ok. Do you think I can create that category? |
| 16:15:43 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 16:15:53 | tucoz | Just call it CategoryOldPlugin? |
| 16:16:00 | bluebrother | afaik it is simply another wiki page. |
| 16:16:04 | bluebrother | sounds good. |
| 16:16:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I know...ya don't give a s**t! :) |
| 16:16:19 | JdGordon | :) no.. im half asleep |
| 16:16:45 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm half awake :) |
| 16:16:56 | JdGordon | :D |
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| 16:17:44 | tucoz | I can create a OldPluginIndex page as well |
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| 16:19:41 | jhMikeS | Things look way better having them condensed and localized like that though. I think I like it. Why is -1 "on" for bl now? Oh...I know amiconn just wants a ludicrous timeout period that is effectively "on". :) |
| 16:19:53 | jhMikeS | If you make it unsigned |
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| 16:22:03 | jhMikeS | It would stay on for 497 days then |
| 16:22:15 | tucoz | anyone know how to comment text in the wiki? |
| 16:22:19 | JdGordon | hah! |
| 16:23:40 | bluebrother | comment text? |
| 16:24:18 | tucoz | Yes, like % in .tex or // in c++ |
| 16:25:23 | tucoz | nevermind. We can keep the old plugins in CategoryFrontPage for now |
| 16:25:28 | bluebrother | maybe using html comments, i.e. <!−− my comment −−> |
| 16:26:17 | bluebrother | that ipod screenshot on the rockbox page is tetrox, isn't it? |
| 16:26:33 | tucoz | yes |
| 16:28:34 | tucoz | grr. I called the page CategoryOldPlugin instead of OldPluginIndex |
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| 16:29:02 | bluebrother | ok, removed it. Also, I don't think it's good to have screenshots stored outside of the wiki. |
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| 16:29:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Need that change for the LCD sleep too |
| 16:29:38 | maddog012 | any new h10 releases? |
| 16:29:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: 2 reaosns: (1) It's more logical. (2) Interpreting the value unsigned, we could even save the check for always-on, as -1 would map to a timeout of 2^32-1 seconds |
| 16:30:11 | bluebrother | tucoz, doesn't look too bad for me. At least CategoryOldPlugin isn't a missing wiki page in that case ;-) |
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| 16:30:52 | amiconn | (roughly 136 years) |
| 16:30:56 | maddog012 | is the barry wardell's new keymap in the new daily release of h10? |
| 16:30:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I know- 497 days! :) I _could_ keep it plugged and running that long |
| 16:31:03 | tucoz | I know. But to follow the old scheme, CategoryOldPlugin should be a description of that Wiki-word, and OldPluginIndex should be the list. |
| 16:31:13 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, the backlight timeout is in seconds, not ticks |
| 16:31:17 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ye, its a bit of work, so as far as im concerned it can wait :) |
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| 16:31:48 | Arathis | maddog012: I think so, though it's some days old now. on the other hand you could also use bleeding edge builds |
| 16:31:58 | tucoz | bluebrother: Hmm, that I can fix myself actually. |
| 16:32:39 | maddog012 | Arathis: rockbox.org/daily.shtml, that the bleeding edge one? |
| 16:32:39 | bluebrother | indeed :) |
| 16:33:10 | bluebrother | maddog012, no, that's the daily. The bleeding edge is www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 16:33:20 | Arathis | maddog012: rockbox.org/cvs.html thats bleeding edge |
| 16:33:24 | maddog012 | AH yes |
| 16:33:34 | Arathis | okay, .shtml .. |
| 16:33:53 | Arathis | build from latest CVS evertime CVS is changed |
| 16:34:07 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you think any rockboxable device could last that long? ;) |
| 16:34:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: right...perhaps it should just be ticks? 136 years seems a bit overboard |
| 16:35:50 | tucoz | bluebrother. I think i got it fixed now |
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| 16:36:01 | * | jhMikeS used 365.2425 days/year for that |
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| 16:37:35 | bluebrother | tucoz, nice. |
| 16:39:34 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I want it now! now! now! now! now! ;) |
| 16:39:53 | JdGordon | touugh! |
| 16:40:06 | jhMikeS | Them's fightin' words! |
| 16:40:12 | jhMikeS | :D |
| 16:40:50 | * | JdGordon going to bed, ttyl |
| 16:40:57 | jhMikeS | g'night |
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| 16:47:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm just saying if we have to multiply by HZ it will overflow or else the tick task should return immediately if 1s hasn't passed since the last call |
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| 17:03:46 | tucoz | I can not access the net from vmware. Anyone know how I can do this? |
| 17:04:54 | netmasta10bt | tucoz: its ez −− is it windoze? |
| 17:05:10 | tucoz | no. it's a linux image i run from windows |
| 17:05:23 | netmasta10bt | what distro |
| 17:05:27 | tucoz | xubuntu |
| 17:05:36 | netmasta10bt | it didnt dhcp huh |
| 17:05:47 | netmasta10bt | can u check if it grabbed an ip ? |
| 17:05:53 | tucoz | How can i do that? |
| 17:05:59 | netmasta10bt | ifconfig -a |
| 17:06:43 | tucoz | what should I look for? |
| 17:07:06 | netmasta10bt | well your interface is prolly eth0 −− it should have an inetaddr |
| 17:07:40 | netmasta10bt | 192.168.?.? most likely if your behind a internet router |
| 17:07:49 | tucoz | then it didn't succeed. eth1 is connected to localhost ((127.0.0.1) |
| 17:07:58 | netmasta10bt | well thats your loopback |
| 17:08:06 | netmasta10bt | is there no eth0? |
| 17:08:14 | tucoz | no. There isn't |
| 17:08:47 | netmasta10bt | just eth1, thats odd −− is it a laptop or desktop machine |
| 17:09:17 | tucoz | laptop. I think eth0 is my wireless card |
| 17:09:32 | tucoz | not sure. i really suck at this stuff |
| 17:10:07 | netmasta10bt | ahh −− ok most likely is xubuntu didn't configure your wifi card cuz it doesnt have a driver −− i've never used xubuntu though |
| 17:10:16 | bluebrother | tucoz, vmware has its own, "virtual" network devices. |
| 17:10:38 | bluebrother | the loopback device usually should be named lo |
| 17:10:55 | tucoz | I have my wifi card turned off. I am connected to the router by a cable |
| 17:10:55 | netmasta10bt | yeah sorry, it should have received an ip from the vmware dhcp server |
| 17:11:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:11:39 | bluebrother | also, it depends on the configuration of vmware how you get connection to the network. I assume the rockbox image uses NAT, so your IP will be in a private network |
| 17:11:55 | bluebrother | but that doesn't necessarily need to be 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 17:12:28 | tucoz | should I select bridged, NAT, or host only= |
| 17:12:28 | tucoz | ? |
| 17:12:35 | bluebrother | you could try issuing "ifup eth0". Unfortuately I don't know the image |
| 17:13:04 | bluebrother | I usually use NAT. To the "world" outside this looks like I'm connecting from the guest OS. |
| 17:13:13 | tucoz | ok |
| 17:13:38 | bluebrother | but I haven't used vmware for quite some time ... |
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| 17:17:08 | tucoz | netmasta10bt, bluebrother. Thanks for the help. I got it working by ifdown eth1 and ifup eth1 |
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| 17:48:38 | timofonic | Hello |
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| 17:49:11 | timofonic | An idea: What about Rockbox for... Nintendo DS? I think it has enough processing power for it, am I ok? :) |
| 17:50:01 | timofonic | The touch screen and two screens could provide cool stuff, like putting stupid graphical shit on the not-touch screen and using the touch screen for controlling |
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| 17:55:22 | preglow | DS isn't exactly hyper-powered |
| 17:56:06 | preglow | but i guess the 67mhz arm9 core should do |
| 17:56:44 | timofonic | It has two cores |
| 17:56:47 | timofonic | So... |
| 17:56:51 | preglow | the other one is a 33mhz arm7 core |
| 17:56:52 | preglow | not very fast |
| 17:57:02 | timofonic | But you can use both at same time, no? |
| 17:57:05 | preglow | tell ya what. buy me one of those new ds and a flashcart, and i'll look into it :> |
| 17:57:19 | timofonic | preglow: What about a public bounty? :) |
| 17:57:41 | timofonic | preglow: I have no money ATM, and I will save for Wii and DS with flashcart heh |
| 17:57:50 | preglow | sure you can use both cores, but it's not as simple as that |
| 17:57:59 | preglow | the arm7 core can only be used for relatively cheap stuff |
| 17:58:00 | timofonic | I suposse |
| 17:58:01 | preglow | like the ui, perhaps |
| 17:58:05 | timofonic | yep |
| 17:58:12 | preglow | then again |
| 17:58:18 | preglow | i bet we can do a hw accelerated gui on ds |
| 17:58:24 | timofonic | uhm |
| 17:58:31 | timofonic | Even it can do 3D, hehe |
| 17:58:58 | timofonic | (it seems it have 3D hw functions) |
| 17:59:28 | linuxstb | Seems there is a working Linux kernel port to the DS... |
| 17:59:32 | timofonic | Yep |
| 17:59:41 | timofonic | And quite many scene dev stuff |
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| 18:00:00 | timofonic | What about a public bounty for a Nintendo DS + a flash cart? |
| 18:00:44 | timofonic | If I get a work soon, then I can buy it. Sadly, it's very unprobably :P |
| 18:00:51 | preglow | i don't know what interest there would be for it |
| 18:00:54 | preglow | how can you put music on it? |
| 18:01:02 | timofonic | flash cart, they use SD |
| 18:01:22 | timofonic | And I'm sure scene coders can helo in the task too |
| 18:01:23 | preglow | rightieo |
| 18:01:30 | timofonic | helo=help |
| 18:01:34 | timofonic | Sorry, typo |
| 18:01:46 | preglow | it would be fun, for sure |
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| 18:02:08 | timofonic | Most carts use SD, 80% of them |
| 18:03:07 | * | linuxstb proposes rockbox.org buys every developer a DS... |
| 18:03:15 | timofonic | SuperCard, M3, G6... |
| 18:03:31 | timofonic | linuxstb: Hehe |
| 18:03:42 | preglow | word |
| 18:03:43 | timofonic | rockDS |
| 18:03:46 | preglow | it's got sixteen hardware channels |
| 18:04:04 | timofonic | audio? |
| 18:04:06 | preglow | yes |
| 18:04:10 | preglow | hell, i'd take a ds for sure |
| 18:04:13 | preglow | looks like a cool little thing |
| 18:04:21 | timofonic | Nice :) |
| 18:04:49 | timofonic | What about setting a public bounty on rockbox.org? That could be nice for DS users :) |
| 18:05:09 | timofonic | moonshell is nice, but not plays the audio formats supported by rockbox... |
| 18:05:30 | timofonic | preglow: I can inform you about DS scene an available flash carts |
| 18:05:48 | linuxstb | What's involved in running your own code on the DS? Do you need to buy any extra hardware? |
| 18:06:06 | timofonic | preglow: I'm part of the staff of a DS page. I'm still not have a DS but I will get one soon... |
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| 18:06:26 | timofonic | linuxstb: You need a "flash cart", most of them uses a SD and do streaming using RAM as cache |
| 18:06:54 | preglow | i'm trying to find some info on the cpus, but i can't find any |
| 18:07:02 | preglow | would be very interesting to see what caches they've got, etc |
| 18:07:49 | timofonic | Those carts are inserted in the GBA port, but some new ones uses the DS port. There are no problems about using the GBA port, using a hacked firmware you run them in DS mode, but there are a thing named superkey... |
| 18:08:14 | timofonic | preglow: I can find that stuff asking to people from our page if you want |
| 18:08:18 | timofonic | preglow: And I know some devs |
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| 18:09:49 | preglow | but yeah |
| 18:09:59 | preglow | this thing can almost certainly be used as a rockbox platform |
| 18:10:17 | preglow | the hardware also makes it very well suites as a mod player :P |
| 18:11:05 | preglow | hmmm |
| 18:11:11 | preglow | looks like it doesn't have much ram, though |
| 18:11:49 | timofonic | Lately, you can use the flash cart's ram as ram too |
| 18:11:59 | timofonic | discovered by people from the DSLinux project |
| 18:13:07 | lowlight | hmmm....someone suggesting that itunes is using the lame header: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48231&st=75 |
| 18:13:28 | lowlight | for gapless |
| 18:13:53 | linuxstb | I read a report that seeking in an mp3 breaks gapless on the ipod... |
| 18:14:28 | preglow | :PPP |
| 18:14:33 | lowlight | :) |
| 18:15:03 | daurnimator | what do you guys think of new ipod? |
| 18:15:11 | daurnimator | - and selling of crap games |
| 18:15:30 | daurnimator | (ipods) - plural |
| 18:17:03 | lowlight | I wonder what's in the new iriver S10. |
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| 18:18:58 | lowlight | http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/13/the-curtain-is-lifted-on-the-iriver-s10/ |
| 18:19:51 | rageahol | is barrywardell here? |
| 18:20:04 | rageahol | guess so, i got the nick-complete to work. heh. |
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| 18:21:30 | linuxstb | So there's a h10, u10, t10, e10 and now an s10? Now that's great marketing... |
| 18:21:50 | linuxstb | Oh, and an n10... |
| 18:21:57 | daurnimator | and a clix |
| 18:21:58 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 18:22:18 | linuxstb | No i10 yet though? |
| 18:23:22 | preglow | doesn't look like the ds has very much ram at all |
| 18:23:26 | preglow | in which case this'll become "fun" |
| 18:23:30 | lowlight | and g10 :) |
| 18:23:31 | bluebrother | quite a number of letters left for new players ;-) |
| 18:24:00 | * | daurnimator looks at archos..... 104 204 404 504 604 |
| 18:24:09 | lowlight | ohhh v10 too. |
| 18:24:44 | preglow | oohh, but the core has very snappy dsp instructions! |
| 18:25:04 | * | linuxstb sees preglow getting very curious... |
| 18:25:34 | * | daurnimator points at archos gmini 402 |
| 18:25:42 | daurnimator | do that port for me instead! |
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| 18:27:22 | timofonic | preglow: Some pages... http://www.palib.com http://dualis.1emulation.com http://utenti.lycos.it/linoma/ideas.php http://www.dslinux.org http://www.devkitpro.org/ http://www.drunkencoders.com (don't be afraid about the name, it's an interesting page), http://www.dev-scene.com/Portal:NDS |
| 18:27:47 | timofonic | preglow: I will ask to homebrew DS devs for more pages and info |
| 18:27:53 | barrywardell | me is here |
| 18:28:17 | preglow | www.drunkencoders.com sounds like a domain i'd buy |
| 18:28:41 | daurnimator | isn't that liranura's? |
| 18:28:46 | daurnimator | or someone i know |
| 18:29:08 | barrywardell | rageahol? |
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| 18:29:35 | rageahol | hi barrywardell |
| 18:29:44 | rageahol | the newest h10 firmware has issues |
| 18:29:48 | rageahol | i thought i'd mention it to you |
| 18:29:51 | timofonic | preglow: Hehe |
| 18:30:05 | timofonic | preglow: That's the best one, it has a great DS dev section |
| 18:30:27 | barrywardell | what issues? |
| 18:30:31 | rageahol | it doesnt advance to the next song in a directory, or in a playlist, and i cant get to the menus to check the settings with the ff and rew buttons. |
| 18:30:50 | daurnimator | timofonic: is it liranura's site? |
| 18:30:52 | rageahol | instead, they work as up/down in a list |
| 18:31:20 | timofonic | preglow: Development Resources > DS > Documents: ARM documentation, NDSLIB user guide, ARM9 tech reference, Neimod's DS Tek documentation |
| 18:31:23 | barrywardell | rageahol, i set them as page up/page down while in a list |
| 18:31:26 | rageahol | maybe if theres a configuration file on there i need to modify, i dont know. i simply replaced the 090906 (i think) firmware with yesterday's |
| 18:31:27 | timofonic | daurnimator: Not remember |
| 18:31:35 | rageahol | oh. how do i get to the settings then? |
| 18:31:49 | preglow | me bbl |
| 18:31:51 | barrywardell | the keys all changed a few days ago |
| 18:31:58 | timofonic | daurnimator: But drunkencoders is not the site of one guy, they are at least a few... |
| 18:32:00 | barrywardell | settings are now a short press of power |
| 18:32:14 | barrywardell | power button |
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| 18:32:35 | timofonic | preglow: I will give you more info when devs reply me :) |
| 18:32:38 | timofonic | Me away too |
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| 18:32:53 | daurn_ | damn |
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| 18:33:37 | rageahol | oh, okay |
| 18:33:41 | rageahol | my bad |
| 18:34:12 | rageahol | thanks |
| 18:34:18 | Arathis | barrywardell: any suggestions if this (http://www.sinlos.net/dirk/h10/pb-error.png) could be an H10 issue? |
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| 18:35:37 | barrywardell | I can't see how it would affect H10 specifically |
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| 18:36:16 | Arathis | me either, but I only have an H10 so I can't test it on an x5 |
| 18:36:21 | barrywardell | does the same thing happen on the x5? |
| 18:36:21 | Arathis | ;) |
| 18:36:39 | Arathis | don't know, but its the only device with same screensize |
| 18:36:50 | daurn | fuck |
| 18:37:01 | timofonic | preglow: www.dsdev.org <−− forums, read the stick ;) |
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| 18:37:44 | Arathis | barrywardell: sometimes the progressbar even goes to the end of the line although it shouldn't |
| 18:39:04 | Arathis | anyone with an x6 who could test the wps? |
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| 18:40:35 | Arathis | *x5 not x6 ^^ |
| 18:41:02 | Davide-NYC | Question: Does anyone know what's happening with the DivideByZero recording bug? |
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| 18:42:59 | Arathis | are the x5 all dead already? :) |
| 18:43:10 | barrywardell | I think it would be good to find someone with an X5 and test it too |
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| 18:43:31 | barrywardell | that way we can see if it's specific to the H10 or a more general wps problem |
| 18:43:48 | Arathis | that was my suggestion |
| 18:47:22 | barrywardell | ah, think I see the problem |
| 18:47:26 | barrywardell | pb.bmp isn't wide enough |
| 18:47:33 | Arathis | it isnt0? |
| 18:47:54 | Arathis | but it's as long as the bar |
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| 18:48:00 | barrywardell | nope |
| 18:48:11 | Arathis | miscalculation than :0/ |
| 18:48:25 | Arathis | (amn keyboard ..) |
| 18:48:30 | Arathis | +d |
| 18:48:34 | crashd | misfire |
| 18:48:45 | barrywardell | the bar is ~150, pb.bmp is 116 |
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| 18:53:06 | barrywardell | Arathis: I just tried making it bigger and didn't get that graphical glitch any more |
| 18:53:41 | Arathis | made it too. will try it. thanks |
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| 19:04:38 | Arathis | barrywardell: the problem that the bar goes to the end of the screen is fixed. don't know why, but the wps file had the wrong coordinates in it |
| 19:05:21 | Lear | Slasheri: Minor thing with the scheduler patch (#3): When playing Oggs, text scrolling on the WPS varies in speed (depending on if the CPU is boosted or not, I guess). It looks a little bad... :) |
| 19:05:32 | Lear | I haven't noticed any other problems. |
| 19:05:49 | Slasheri | Lear: Hmm, what version of patch is that? #3? |
| 19:06:03 | Slasheri | Please try with v6 :) |
| 19:06:05 | Lear | Yes. |
| 19:06:07 | Lear | Ah. |
| 19:06:20 | barrywardell | Arathis: so everything is ok now? Nice WPS btw. |
| 19:06:24 | Lear | Haven't been looking for new versions... |
| 19:06:33 | Slasheri | v7 is just same as v6 with the menu stuff ripped off (not yet in web) |
| 19:06:58 | Arathis | barrywardell: yes. and thanks. for helping and finding it nice ^^ |
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| 19:10:00 | Arathis | hm..how can I make text blink in a WPS? e.g. when playback is paused |
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| 19:19:50 | Arathis | I know blinking text is possible in wps, but I can't find out how :( |
| 19:21:05 | bluebrother | Arathis, use an alternating subline with the text replaced with an empty line |
| 19:21:36 | Arathis | ah. thats a fine way. thanks :) |
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| 19:22:54 | mirak_ | Lear: was it you who optimised yuv2rgb fonction on ipod ? |
| 19:23:22 | Lear | mirak_: Nope. Maybe amiconn. |
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| 19:26:25 | Slasheri | Lear: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduler7_rc.patch |
| 19:27:04 | Slasheri | that also fixed slight unnecessary ui lag when buffering and codec thread fights |
| 19:28:02 | Slasheri | if nobody finds issues / have objections regarding the latest patch, i will probably commit in few days and see how people likes it :) |
| 19:28:29 | amiconn | My biggest objection is code size |
| 19:28:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: do you mean iram usage or binary size? |
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| 19:28:52 | amiconn | Both |
| 19:28:56 | Slasheri | hmm, ok |
| 19:29:21 | amiconn | And I still think a new, more complex scheduler only works around the problem instead of solving it |
| 19:29:36 | Lear | slasheri: just applied v6, so I think I'll wait with that rc a bit... |
| 19:29:52 | Slasheri | Lear :) |
| 19:30:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i don't really see other nice ways of solving the cpu/system usage other than solving it on the kernel level |
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| 19:31:07 | Slasheri | that way application level doesn't need to know how much it can use system resources before problems happen |
| 19:32:25 | amiconn | Yes, it works around coder laziness |
| 19:35:57 | amiconn | But some actual questions from looking at the patch: |
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| 19:36:42 | amiconn | (1) Why is it necessary to declare current_tick volatile? It worked well without volatile |
| 19:37:44 | amiconn | (2) What's the difference between sleeping, blocked, and blocked with timeout? |
| 19:39:15 | mirak_ | amiconn: was it you who optimised yuv2rgb fonction on ipod ? |
| 19:39:36 | amiconn | nope |
| 19:41:01 | amiconn | And afaics it isn't optimised. It's the plain C version derived from the yuv->rgb conversion in jpeg.c (which isn't made for speed but for accuracy) |
| 19:41:33 | amiconn | ...and the jpeg yuv->rgb is also slightly off for mpeg video |
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| 19:50:58 | Lear | amiconn: blocked == waiting in queue? |
| 19:51:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, there was a reason for the current_tick to be volatile but maybe that was only with my first patches.. I will check that again and declare it as non-volatile if volatile isn't necessary |
| 19:53:42 | amiconn | I wonder about the functional difference between sleeping and blocked |
| 19:53:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: sleeping - task is waiting until current_tick is high enough and scheduler will wake up the task. Blocked - task is blocked by a semaphore or queue. One semaphore / queue can contain many blocked tasks (but only single bloked task with timeout). Blocked with timeout - task is basically same as sleeping task but it's pointer address is stored also in queue so it can be woken up either by scheduler or queue_post event |
| 19:54:15 | Slasheri | blocked task remains blocked until an external event wakes it up |
| 19:54:27 | Slasheri | scheduler doesn't even know that blocked threads exist at all |
| 19:54:50 | Slasheri | because those tasks are not stored in scheduler lists at all |
| 19:54:56 | amiconn | I also wonder whether the constant moving of threads between the assortment of double linked lists really makes things more efficient. I suspect the opposite |
| 19:55:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: i have made a test with a vorbis q8 file |
| 19:55:50 | Slasheri | boost counter before the patch was about 81% and after the patch 78-79% |
| 19:56:28 | Slasheri | so it seems like the improvement is about 2% when task switching doesn't happen very often |
| 19:56:43 | Slasheri | it might be more when task switching happens more often -> more reduced battery usage |
| 19:56:49 | amiconn | Yeah, but is that due to priorities, or due to the list handling changes |
| 19:56:50 | Slasheri | but that needs to be tested somehow.. |
| 19:56:56 | amiconn | ? |
| 19:57:02 | Slasheri | i think that is due to the list handling |
| 19:57:09 | amiconn | I would expect one single thread list to be more efficient |
| 19:57:30 | Slasheri | because unnecessary task switches have been eliminated |
| 19:57:42 | amiconn | ...just walked along in a round-robin fashion, maybe storing the state (running, sleeping) in the list |
| 19:57:58 | amiconn | ...instead of leaving that to the thread itself |
| 19:58:09 | Slasheri | hmm |
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| 19:58:49 | amiconn | I would guess that the gain you observe is due to the reduced thread switching, not due to the linked lists |
| 19:59:42 | linuxstb_ | mirak: Tom Meyer made some optimisations to the ipod video lcd_yuv_blit() function which I committed, and also applied to the Nano/Photo ipods. |
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| 20:04:02 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, of course |
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| 20:05:38 | Slasheri | i just liked about the idea of linked lists in the kernel and have used it before and have seen also other kernels using it :) |
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| 20:11:59 | mirak_ | linuxstb: that function is not part of mpegplayer ? |
| 20:12:07 | amiconn | Linked lists have their advantages, but for the thread list I think it's unnecessarily complex |
| 20:12:24 | mirak_ | are there asm versions of memset and such ? |
| 20:12:53 | Slasheri | amiconn: then there would be a problem how to store many blocked tasks in one mutex if lists are not used at all |
| 20:13:19 | Slasheri | if we want to treat blocked tasks also a special way and not task switch every time |
| 20:13:19 | amiconn | The thread list is neither very long, nor does it manage variable-length data |
| 20:13:24 | mirak_ | oh ok it's in target folder |
| 20:13:58 | amiconn | (unlike tagcache very linked lists are necessary to keep things efficient) |
| 20:14:06 | amiconn | s/very/where/ |
| 20:14:49 | amiconn | Slasheri: Do it the other way 'round... store the mutex id in the thread list |
| 20:15:09 | Slasheri | hmm, true. that might work |
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| 20:16:21 | Slasheri | but it's hard to say switch one method would be more efficient |
| 20:16:46 | amiconn | I would like to see how now using linked lists but keeping sleeping/blocked markers influences code size, ram and iram usage, and efficiency |
| 20:16:47 | Slasheri | for example unlocking a mutex, in worst case we would have to loop the entire thread list to find the correct id |
| 20:16:53 | amiconn | s/now/not/ |
| 20:17:03 | amiconn | No |
| 20:17:21 | amiconn | A thread blocked by a mutex would have that mutex id in its thread entry |
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| 20:18:05 | amiconn | The scheduler would check whether that mutex is still locked, and if so, skip that thread for scheduling |
| 20:18:17 | Slasheri | hmm.. interesting |
| 20:18:37 | amiconn | But if it's no longer locked, it would let that thread run, which the locks the mutex itself |
| 20:19:11 | amiconn | The thread holding the lock would of course not have this entry set, only those threads which are waiting for the mutex to become free |
| 20:19:35 | amiconn | (i.e. are blocked by it) |
| 20:22:12 | Slasheri | ok, i will think about redesigning the patch later. removing the lists could make the code slightly cleaner |
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| 20:25:56 | Davide-NYC | Mmmm: Any idea about the status of theat DivideByZero bug? That scares me quite a bit. |
| 20:26:06 | Mmmm | just fixed it! |
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| 20:26:16 | Davide-NYC | (love) |
| 20:26:23 | Mmmm | lol |
| 20:27:00 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: Which bug? |
| 20:27:21 | mirak_ | I am looking in lcd-as-h300.S there is this line inside a loop : /* %d2 = -24 * (Cb - 128) - 51 * (Cr - 128) */ I have seen muls is <= 4 cycle . MAC is 2 cycles. inside a loop this can save thousands of cycles. |
| 20:27:51 | mirak_ | MAC is 1 cycle. but + moveclr this is 2 cycles |
| 20:27:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: checking the debug menu, normally there are 14 threads of which 7 are blocked 4 are blocked with timeout and the rest 3 threads are sleeping |
| 20:28:05 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: it's not on flyspray anymore,maybe it's been fixed and closed. |
| 20:28:18 | Davide-NYC | it was a crash during reconding on coldfire target |
| 20:28:22 | Davide-NYC | *recording |
| 20:28:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: that was why i though using linked lists would be a good thing, so those 7 threads are completely removed from scheduling |
| 20:29:12 | Slasheri | but it's true that with sleeping lists there is currently no improvement because of this behaviour as we check the list at every task switch |
| 20:29:40 | Slasheri | other improvement could be to check that list only when current_tick has been changed |
| 20:29:42 | amiconn | Yes, and if threads go to sleep quite often, there is a lot of moving between lists |
| 20:29:59 | amiconn | ...and that's certainly more overhead than just setting a flag |
| 20:30:01 | Slasheri | yes.. but they shouldn't go in sleep very often, should they? :) |
| 20:30:05 | Slasheri | true |
| 20:30:24 | amiconn | Threads should go to sleep whenever possible, to save battery |
| 20:30:42 | amiconn | If all threads are sleeping, the cpu core can go to sleep state |
| 20:30:55 | Slasheri | and if they don't sleep very often, _and_ we would check the sleeping list only when current_tick is changed.. then we wouldn't need to go through the sleeping threads every tie |
| 20:31:15 | Slasheri | of course, but they can sleep more than one tick at once (which is preferred) |
| 20:31:53 | Slasheri | except some threads, for example audio thread can't sleep more |
| 20:34:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: i think the current patch could give the best performance when tasks are yielding very often while the other approach would give better performance when tasks are not yielding so often |
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| 20:35:46 | amiconn | I'm not so sure - your patch has many places which are doing lseep_thread(1) |
| 20:36:35 | amiconn | And as you said yourself, the code needs to walk the sleepers list anyway (and also check whether a block-with-timeout thead reaches the timeout) |
| 20:37:13 | Slasheri | yep, but i also noticed that is unnecessary until current_tick has changed from the previous value |
| 20:37:17 | Slasheri | so we can count that out |
| 20:37:41 | amiconn | current_tick still changes 100 times per second |
| 20:38:13 | Slasheri | yes.. and if threads are yielding more often than that, then it could give a performance improvement |
| 20:38:20 | Slasheri | and i am not sure if they are |
| 20:39:19 | amiconn | On hwcodec they are most of the time |
| 20:39:41 | Slasheri | hmm, then it can't be so bad thing.. |
| 20:40:28 | Slasheri | on swcodec that probably depends of the bitrate and codec format used |
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| 20:42:05 | amiconn | I once measured scheduling round-trip on archos recorder. Got ~600 rounds per second, meaning ~4800 task switches per second |
| 20:42:15 | amiconn | (we had 8 threads running back then iirc) |
| 20:43:08 | amiconn | That was during playback, and measured with a test plugin |
| 20:43:20 | Slasheri | hmm.. do you still have that plugin? |
| 20:43:31 | amiconn | Of course, the mpeg thread has very little to do during playback |
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| 20:43:54 | amiconn | The MAS is fed via DMA and callbacks from an ISR |
| 20:44:28 | Slasheri | true.. then linked lists could actually work well on hwcodec targets |
| 20:44:47 | amiconn | It's the rough equivalent of the swcodec playback thread |
| 20:45:07 | amiconn | The codec thread has no equivalent |
| 20:45:47 | Slasheri | that would mean there are 48 task switches for one run of the sleeping list check function |
| 20:47:14 | Slasheri | so something like going through 48*6 per one tick or 48*2 + 1*sleep_core() |
| 20:47:34 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: how much did he gained with asm yuv blit function ? |
| 20:49:16 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: Are you talking about the X5 LCD driver? |
| 20:49:38 | Slasheri | and when task switching happens rarely then it doesn't even matter that much how long it takes |
| 20:49:46 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: don't know. I though you where talking about ipod |
| 20:49:59 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: I have an H300 |
| 20:50:18 | Slasheri | so the more often system yields, the better performance the patch would give against just simple linked list |
| 20:50:37 | Slasheri | -linked |
| 20:52:06 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: There isn't an asm optimised lcd_yuv_blit() for the ipods. |
| 20:52:17 | amiconn | I am still curious how it would compare against using a simple list |
| 20:52:36 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: there is one for H300 ? |
| 20:52:53 | mirak_ | only X5 have one ? |
| 20:53:00 | amiconn | mirak_: utsl |
| 20:53:06 | mirak_ | ?? |
| 20:53:12 | mirak_ | what ? |
| 20:53:15 | amiconn | There are asm optimised lcd_yuv_blit() versions for both H300 and X5 |
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| 20:54:21 | mirak_ | ok I was looking at the right place then. I was talking about /* %d2 = -24 * (Cb - 128) - 51 * (Cr - 128) */ this line could use mac. |
| 20:55:25 | mirak_ | on 220*176 pixels it can save 220*176*5 cycles |
| 20:56:17 | mirak_ | goaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllll !!! |
| 20:56:22 | amiconn | ??? |
| 20:56:42 | * | mirak_ watches football |
| 20:56:51 | * | mirak_ soccer |
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| 20:56:57 | amiconn | I am thinking about using emac for lcd_yuv_blit myself |
| 20:57:03 | amiconn | (not only single-spot) |
| 20:57:33 | amiconn | Using emac for single multiplications would save nothing, or next-to-nothing |
| 20:57:49 | mirak_ | amiconn: unless they are in a loop |
| 20:57:59 | amiconn | Even then |
| 20:58:04 | mirak_ | for two muls added that's interesting |
| 20:58:21 | amiconn | I said single multiplictions |
| 20:58:49 | amiconn | But the yuv->rgb conversion is a matrix multiplication, and I expect some speedup from using emac |
| 20:58:57 | mirak_ | muls is 4 cycles. well <=4 I am not sure what this means |
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| 20:59:38 | mirak_ | amiconn: a matrix mult ?? how is it ? |
| 20:59:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: now i put the current_tick back to non-volatile and added a check if (last_tick != current_tick) sleep_core(); that should improve the fast task switching performance a lot |
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| 21:00:23 | webguest25 | does a Studio 10 player have the same bass&vol issues as a Jukebox 6000 ? |
| 21:00:28 | mirak_ | amiconn: so let's resume, you did the coldfire lcd_yuv_blit() in asm. you want to improve it. right ? |
| 21:01:17 | amiconn | webguest25: Afaik, no |
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| 21:01:34 | webguest25 | thanks amiconn |
| 21:01:43 | amiconn | Only the early players had that problem, arising from too small output capacitors |
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| 21:02:10 | webguest25 | i wasn't sure if studio was post 6000 |
| 21:02:13 | amiconn | I have a Studio 10 myself, and didn't observe bass problems |
| 21:02:19 | amiconn | It is |
| 21:02:37 | webguest25 | excellent, i'm watching one on ebay, going for real cheap |
| 21:03:17 | amiconn | (upgraded with the 20GB disk left from upgrading my recorder to 80GB) |
| 21:03:45 | webguest25 | thats what i intend doing myself, u/grade to 80gigs |
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| 21:05:09 | _jhMikeS_ | That's wierd people are talking about not scheduling blocked threads. I've been meaning to ask about doing that for about a week. hmm |
| 21:05:28 | webguest25 | don't think I'll do the 8 meg ram mod though, looks very complicted, and lots of finicky soldering |
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| 21:07:37 | mirak_ | amiconn: I hardly see a mtrix mult for simple yuv to rgb conversion. for rgb to yuv yes. http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/YUV%2FRGB+conversion+formulas |
| 21:08:26 | webguest25 | i also like the idea of using AA Nimh batteries, never have to worry about OEM batteries, neat |
| 21:09:05 | webguest25 | thanks |
| 21:09:06 | _jhMikeS_ | mirak_: I originally did the asm lcd_yuv_blit for x5 (a bit half-baked though)...amiconn improved it a lot when he adapted it for H300 and then applied the improvements to the x5... |
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| 21:10:13 | * | mirak_ will let amiconn use EMAC ^^ |
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| 21:11:22 | _jhMikeS_ | amiconn: so _now_ you're gonna use emac for the yuv? :) You didn't seem to think it would help before. |
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| 21:12:07 | amiconn | It might or might not help, depending how much extra register shuffling it introduces |
| 21:13:36 | mirak_ | common, you do a mul and an add in one cycle |
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| 21:14:58 | amiconn | Yes, but you need to fetch the result from the accumulator |
| 21:15:29 | amiconn | ...and the execution timing for these moves isn't given in the datasheet |
| 21:16:10 | mirak_ | goallllll !! Real Madrid gets torched by Lyon |
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| 21:18:10 | mirak_ | amiconn: that's a hard wired move. I don't think there is a bus between emac and coldfire |
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| 21:21:44 | mirak_ | amiconn: a bench mark would tell |
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| 21:22:25 | amiconn | If the emac multiplier is single cycle and the move is single cycle - why does a plain muls/mulu then take 4 cycles? |
| 21:23:44 | amiconn | I'm quite sure the emac-equipped coldfires perform the muls/mulu within the emac multiplier as well, as having 2 multipliers would be a waste |
| 21:24:08 | * | _jhMikeS_ has wondered why himself. Why no single cycle multiplies in general. |
| 21:24:22 | _jhMikeS_ | Isn't the emac part optional? |
| 21:24:59 | amiconn | ...and then it's very likely that the 4 cycles of mulu/muls is the added time of performing the multiplication in the emac unit and moving the result back to the standard register bank |
| 21:26:21 | amiconn | I think the emac multiplier is single-cycle, but multi-stage |
| 21:27:11 | _jhMikeS_ | guess not...must've been something else I read and got confused again :) |
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| 21:27:26 | mirak_ | the reason is that emac is magic |
| 21:27:50 | _jhMikeS_ | emacgic? :P |
| 21:28:10 | mirak_ | block[0] = block[63] = 0; what is this thing doing ? |
| 21:28:38 | _jhMikeS_ | same as block[0] = 0; block[63] = 0; |
| 21:29:57 | dionoea | hello |
| 21:30:11 | dionoea | ouh! still optimising the mpeg2 decoder ? |
| 21:31:46 | amiconn | _jhMikeS_: The emac part is optional in that not all coldfires have it, not even all v2 coldfires |
| 21:31:59 | mirak_ | amiconn: it might interest you http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php maybe you know it. |
| 21:32:06 | amiconn | And coldfires without emac have longer muls/mulu execution times... |
| 21:32:11 | _jhMikeS_ | amiconn: ok...so I'm not crazy afterall *whew* |
| 21:33:16 | _jhMikeS_ | maybe the regular integer multiply is separate and that^ would be a good design reason for it IMHO |
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| 21:33:57 | * | _jhMikeS_ missed the second remark but finds it interesting |
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| 21:34:03 | mirak_ | freescale wouldn't give hints on this ? |
| 21:34:39 | _jhMikeS_ | amiconn: how much longer? |
| 21:35:53 | amiconn | Significantly. Check COLDFIRE2UM.pdf |
| 21:36:06 | amiconn | Page 213 |
| 21:37:01 | _jhMikeS_ | got it open...but pg 213 is DMA |
| 21:37:34 | BigMac | Soap here |
| 21:37:36 | amiconn | Not MCF5249UM |
| 21:37:49 | amiconn | or SCF5250UM |
| 21:37:54 | BigMac | anyone have an h120? |
| 21:38:14 | _jhMikeS_ | MCF5249UM/D |
| 21:38:15 | _jhMikeS_ | Rev. 4.0, 10/2003 |
| 21:38:26 | amiconn | "COLDFIRE2UM.pdf" |
| 21:38:45 | amiconn | != "MCF5249UM" |
| 21:38:46 | * | _jhMikeS_ renamed all his files :) |
| 21:39:49 | amiconn | Coldfire2M refers to versions with MAC, Coldfire2 to versions without. The pdf is obviosly too old to know about EMAC |
| 21:40:16 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/COLDFIRE2UM.pdf |
| 21:40:52 | _jhMikeS_ | thanks |
| 21:42:52 | BigMac | anyone here have any iriver? |
| 21:43:35 | linuxstb_ | BigMac: Most people here do. |
| 21:43:43 | _jhMikeS_ | whoa up to 20 cycles vs up to 6 |
| 21:44:22 | mirak_ | what's the library to use the types like uint32_t |
| 21:44:27 | BigMac | anyone have an h320/h12o then? |
| 21:45:16 | BigMac | or a clix? |
| 21:45:25 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: inttypes.h |
| 21:45:44 | _jhMikeS_ | they should work on the divider unit |
| 21:47:41 | belze | BigMac: i have a h110 |
| 21:48:01 | BigMac | are they as nice as everyone says |
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| 21:48:56 | BigMac | I want to buy one but there hard to come by nowadays and if you find one they are expensive |
| 21:50:16 | Lear | mulu takes 4 cycles, because a move(clr) right after a mac stalls for 2 cycles (so it ought to be multi-stage in some way) |
| 21:52:52 | _jhMikeS_ | Lear: Can you do something else useful in between the mac and move(clr) if it's not related to the result from the mac? |
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| 21:54:20 | Xoliul | hi guys |
| 21:54:40 | Xoliul | anybody mind explaining me a bit on Rockbox for iRiver H10 ? |
| 21:55:29 | linuxstb_ | What's the problem? |
| 21:55:39 | Lear | _jhkimes_ Sure, so in this case it should be possible to avoid the stalls. |
| 21:55:53 | _jhMikeS_ | Lear: just like x86 asm then |
| 21:55:53 | Xoliul | well, my iAudio M3 just broke, and i might get an H10 as replacement |
| 21:56:00 | Lear | It needs to be unrelated to the mac, not just the result... |
| 21:56:11 | Xoliul | main thing that I don't like for H10, is that you need some silly software |
| 21:56:27 | Xoliul | my M3 was just drag n drop in explorer |
| 21:56:36 | Xoliul | does Rckbox do this for h10 ? |
| 21:56:41 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 21:57:08 | Xoliul | and would it be correct for me to think that i can get an H10 and switch to rockbox right away ? |
| 21:57:20 | Xoliul | as in, not too buggy and all |
| 21:57:37 | linuxstb_ | I think it's usable now, yes. |
| 21:57:59 | Xoliul | Well, i'd only get an H10 if i can count on Rockbox all the way |
| 21:58:02 | linuxstb_ | The biggest issue is probably battery life - it will be less than the original iriver firmware. |
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| 21:58:19 | Xoliul | how much can i expect then ? |
| 21:59:08 | _jhMikeS_ | what does the (1/1), (1/0), (0/0) stuff mean in the execution times? |
| 21:59:42 | linuxstb_ | I don't think anyone has tested it yet, but I would guess around 60% of the original... We have similar issues with the ipod port (but some ipods are better than others). |
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| 22:00:15 | mason | Hi people. I just installed itunes 7 on my windows box and it started to update my 5g ipod, but failed compaining my ipod was currupt. Now it won't boot. I've moved back to my linux box to explore the problem and it turns out the partition table is currupt. fdisk give this "Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table2 |
| 22:00:18 | mason | any advice? |
| 22:01:06 | mason | I know I can wipe the ipod and start again, but I really need to copy the music off the HD first. |
| 22:02:55 | _jhMikeS_ | never mind...I found the description :) |
| 22:03:41 | Xoliul | ok, well sounds not too bad |
| 22:03:50 | Xoliul | and how safe is it to install rockbox ? |
| 22:03:54 | Xoliul | is bricking possible ? |
| 22:03:58 | mirak_ | it would be nice to have all mpeg2_decoder_t in iram. I doubt it would fit. there is on 16k array in it |
| 22:04:02 | mirak_ | one |
| 22:04:58 | _jhMikeS_ | mirak_: you cant read/write it with movem or memcpy in small bits? |
| 22:07:23 | mirak_ | _jhMikeS_: maybe this big one could be extracted of the big struct and allocated in sdram. |
| 22:07:45 | mason | can anyone tell me what the correct partition table looks like on an 5g |
| 22:08:24 | mason | fdisk -l if you're in *nix |
| 22:08:39 | linuxstb_ | mason: You can download them from the Rockbox wiki - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
| 22:08:48 | mirak_ | _jhMikeS_: actually I don't know where it's used, I will look, but I think anything in mpeg2dec struct would be usefull in iram. it's in that struct that DCTblock is. having this one in iram gave 4-5 fps boost direcly. |
| 22:09:12 | mason | linuxstb_, sweet, thanks for the url |
| 22:09:16 | mirak_ | so i imagine it would speed up other parts. |
| 22:10:26 | linuxstb_ | Xoliul: I believe a Rockbox install on the H10 is safe - you simply replace a file on the hard disk. |
| 22:10:49 | mirak_ | I tried to put the 16k array in iram but it says iram full. If there is 45k iram for plugins, I am not sure what is used to fill as much. there are some lookup tables already. maybe they aren't the best candidates |
| 22:11:10 | linuxstb_ | Xoliul: I also don't think anyone has ever bricked a player by installing Rockbox - on anything. |
| 22:13:16 | thegeek | am I the only one that find the new ipod nano ugly? |
| 22:13:32 | thegeek | http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2043 |
| 22:13:38 | thegeek | the rounded edges look like shit |
| 22:13:41 | BigMac | no |
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| 22:14:32 | linuxstb_ | It's about time someone opened one up... |
| 22:14:37 | thegeek | hehehe |
| 22:14:45 | mirak_ | there is really not one single commentary for most of the code in libmpeg2 :-/ |
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| 22:16:11 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: Are you sure that array is only 16K? I didn't think mpegplayer used very much iram at all at the moment... |
| 22:16:47 | mirak_ | uint16_t quantizer_prescale[4][32][64]; |
| 22:17:09 | mirak_ | 4*32*64*2=16k |
| 22:17:24 | mason | thanks linuxstb_ , that worked a treat. I'm now got a breathing ipod again :D |
| 22:17:27 | mirak_ | I have not idea what it is used for |
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| 22:19:25 | belze | BigMac: even though the h1xx is quite old i would never like to give it away :) |
| 22:19:46 | belze | i replaced the battery this year, cause it was wearing off after 2 years |
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| 22:20:48 | BigMac | i;m trying to find a good site that compares players |
| 22:20:58 | BigMac | so i can see which i'd like |
| 22:21:26 | belze | well, i would go for the iaudio x5 today, if i had to |
| 22:21:31 | linuxstb_ | mirak: Only 192 bytes of IRAM are used on the h300 in mpegplayer (cvs version) - 3 64-byte arrays. Have you been adding other things? |
| 22:21:56 | BigMac | yah i have looked at that too |
| 22:22:03 | BigMac | and the clix is nice |
| 22:22:12 | BigMac | as is the iauidio 6 |
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| 22:23:40 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: no, I just tryed to add DCTblock, and that's only 128 bytes |
| 22:23:56 | * | _jhMikeS_ thinks it needs a good strip down on what we won't use |
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| 22:24:51 | mirak_ | _jhMikeS_: I think some targets could get rid of all scaling things |
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| 22:25:54 | mirak_ | H300 for sure, X5 as well, and also ipods. from what says markun only gygabeat could have enough power to profit of this |
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| 22:28:06 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: I've just put the mpeg2dec structure in IRAM, and it compiles file. |
| 22:28:45 | mirak_ | great ! |
| 22:28:51 | BigMac | http://reviews.cnet.com/iRiver_H10_20GB_Remix_Blue/4505-6490_7-31383679-2.html?tag=nav |
| 22:28:52 | mirak_ | maybe I didn't do a make clean |
| 22:28:57 | BigMac | it can't be that good |
| 22:29:10 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: can you tell me how you did it ? |
| 22:31:08 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: Just add "static mpeg2dec_t static_mpeg2dec IBSS_ATTR;" before mpeg2_init() in decode.c, and replace the call to mpeg2_malloc with "mpeg2dec = &static_mpeg2dec;" in mpeg2_init() |
| 22:31:30 | mirak_ | ok |
| 22:32:01 | linuxstb_ | It's about 17984 bytes. |
| 22:32:23 | mirak_ | what's IBSS ? I used IDATA_ATTR |
| 22:32:57 | _jhMikeS_ | mirak_: What is the prescale for? Precision? |
| 22:33:37 | belze | really funny how steve announces the gapless feature |
| 22:33:37 | mirak_ | I have no idea, I was googling for this |
| 22:33:43 | belze | as if it was a big break-through :P |
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| 22:33:54 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: there are a lot of arrays to stuff in iram in vlc.h |
| 22:34:29 | _jhMikeS_ | it runs throught that prescale alot depending upon the frame type |
| 22:38:23 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: IBSS_ATTR is initialized to zero, IDATA_ATTR is initialised to something in your program, and ICONST_ATTR is constant data. |
| 22:38:58 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: it sped up things but not as much as I hoped |
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| 22:39:33 | linuxstb_ | That's always the question - is the speedup worth 16K of IRAM, or could it be better used elsewhere... |
| 22:39:44 | mirak_ | i run elephant dreams 176*96 at 31 fps |
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| 22:40:07 | Chuky1 | hello? |
| 22:40:23 | Chuky1 | i just need some info on rockbox |
| 22:40:30 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: Any idea what the cvs version of mpegplayer gives? |
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| 22:40:42 | * | _jhMikeS_ thinks you need to understand this thoroughly and how it works so you can make the proper compromises and do only what it need to do to run video on rb...IMHO |
| 22:40:46 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: DCTblock alone gave me a similar boost than the one I get by putting everything in |
| 22:41:08 | Chuky1 | does rock box saport art work dispay |
| 22:41:16 | Chuky1 | *display |
| 22:41:20 | mirak_ | linuxstb_: no I can download a snapshot though. but overall I think I gained 10 fps with my asm plus the iram |
| 22:41:28 | Chuky1 | and will it void my warrent |
| 22:41:30 | linuxstb_ | Not officially - there are unofficial versions of Rockbox which do. |
| 22:41:33 | mirak_ | depending on the video |
| 22:42:10 | _jhMikeS_ | what's sort of video is the worst case load on an MPEG decoder anyway |
| 22:42:19 | linuxstb_ | Chuky1: Yes, installing Rockbox normally voids your warranty. |
| 22:42:25 | mirak_ | the asm idct doesn't speed things very much but that's still to be taken |
| 22:42:49 | Chuky1 | and the art work? |
| 22:42:59 | _jhMikeS_ | ? |
| 22:43:05 | Chuky1 | can rockbox display ablum art |
| 22:43:07 | linuxstb_ | Chuky1: I answered that. |
| 22:43:18 | Chuky1 | oh sorry |
| 22:43:21 | Chuky1 | thx guys |
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| 22:43:40 | sharpe | wow. |
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| 22:45:58 | quiksilver | hello everyone is tehre some one here that can help me with encoding a video for teh h10 6gb (PS i have visited the wiki and tried it out but it has not worked out for me) (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer) |
| 22:46:07 | mirak_ | if you do int i; inside a function, is i allocated on stack in IRAM ? |
| 22:46:25 | linuxstb_ | mirak_: Yes - the plugin stack is IRAM. |
| 22:47:09 | linuxstb_ | quiksilver: What did you try, and what was the problem? |
| 22:48:52 | quiksilver | i have tried encoding with vlc media player and tried playing it on my h10 but it gave me an error ( i can run elephant dreams so its the encoding of the video that went wrong |
| 22:49:25 | linuxstb_ | What error? |
| 22:49:28 | quiksilver | i tried the cmd procces and teh VLC-transcode.bat procces |
| 22:50:02 | quiksilver | just a second i will check now |
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| 22:50:37 | chriscool9 | Hi, would someone please help me?! |
| 22:50:45 | dionoea | i doubt it |
| 22:50:51 | quiksilver | well ok it buffers and then it just oges back to the browser(menu) |
| 22:50:53 | dionoea | unless you state what you need help with of course :) |
| 22:52:13 | chriscool9 | Ok well ill say the problem anyway. Im using the iPodcolor Plus theme but the progress bar is at the top, ive been doing some research and is this the patch i need? If so how do i install it?! ProgressBar-Y.coord.patch |
| 22:53:05 | chriscool9 | Test |
| 22:53:26 | chriscool9 | Testing |
| 22:53:31 | chriscool9 | Great broken |
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| 22:54:24 | dionoea | chriscool9: it's not broken |
| 22:54:43 | chriscool9 | Wow soz for all the test, it takes ages for messages to appear on my screen |
| 22:54:43 | linuxstb | quiksilver: I'm not sure what to suggest.. I don't use vlc myself. |
| 22:54:44 | dionoea | you have to give people time to read what you asked ... |
| 22:54:52 | quiksilver | linuxstb: i think i messed up on the cmd cuz i dont think i understood exactly waat i need to replace with actual stuff |
| 22:55:10 | linuxstb | quiksilver: Can you paste the actual command you typed here? |
| 22:55:10 | quiksilver | linuxstb: ok wat do u use |
| 22:55:26 | quiksilver | allright give me a couple of minutes |
| 22:55:33 | quiksilver | and i will paste it in |
| 22:55:36 | linuxstb | I use mpeg2enc (under Linux). |
| 22:55:40 | chriscool9 | Ok well hi dionea, do you knowwhat i need to do to solve my problem? |
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| 22:56:20 | linuxstb | chriscool9: You either need to use an unofficial version of Rockbox with that patch already applied, or apply the patch to the Rockbox source code yourself, and compile your own version. |
| 22:56:24 | quiksilver | o ok i have xp so i doubt it will work the same... |
| 22:56:59 | dionoea | chriscool9: i don't :( |
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| 22:57:21 | dionoea | chriscool9: but one of the other 127 people here might |
| 22:57:32 | mirak_ | linuxstb: sdram really kills us ... |
| 22:57:41 | sharpe | dionoea: you mean 126. haha. :) |
| 22:57:44 | linuxstb | No, it kills you... I'm happy on my ipod. |
| 22:57:49 | linuxstb | :) |
| 22:57:50 | mirak_ | ahah |
| 22:57:52 | dionoea | sharpe: i wasn't sure about the number of bots :) |
| 22:57:57 | sharpe | ah, true. |
| 22:57:57 | dionoea | so i counted those as people :) |
| 22:58:06 | mirak_ | linuxstb: how much fps ? |
| 22:58:10 | mirak_ | do you get |
| 22:58:52 | chriscool9 | Ok thanks anyway dionea. Also linuxstb thanks alot for the reply, im using drippydougnts 'Halfway' build. I tried norsebuns build but hated it. |
| 22:59:09 | linuxstb | mirak_: I forget now, I haven't had a working mpegplayer for a few weeks... |
| 22:59:14 | chriscool9 | So there is no way of applying the patch in the build im using now? |
| 22:59:27 | sharpe | chriscool9: no, patches are applied to the source code. |
| 22:59:53 | sharpe | unless you wish to recompile it :) |
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| 23:01:59 | mirak_ | it would be intersting to know how embeded devices implementing mpeg2 deals with the iram. maybe there is some trick to work only on parts on small parts of the image. |
| 23:02:20 | quiksilver | linuxstb: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] |
| 23:02:20 | quiksilver | (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. |
| 23:02:20 | quiksilver | C:\Documents and Settings\alexandru>cd C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\ |
| 23:02:20 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK quiksilver |
| 23:02:20 | quiksilver | C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC>vlc <E:\Simpsons 16x20 - Home Away From Homer.avi> |
| 23:02:20 | quiksilver | −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=<128>,height=<128>}:es{access-video= |
| 23:02:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:02:21 | quiksilver | file,mux-video=es,dst-video=<Home Away From Homer>.m2v} |
| 23:02:23 | quiksilver | The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 23:02:25 | quiksilver | C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC> |
| 23:02:27 | quiksilver | woah |
| 23:02:29 | quiksilver | my bad |
| 23:03:03 | quiksilver | C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC>vlc <E:\Simpsons 16x20 - Home Away From Homer.avi> |
| 23:03:03 | quiksilver | −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=<128>,height=<128>}:es{access-video= |
| 23:03:03 | quiksilver | file,mux-video=es,dst-video=<Home Away From Homer>.m2v}The system cannot find the file specified. |
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| 23:03:08 | linuxstb | Please don't paste that many lines.... |
| 23:03:15 | mirak_ | linuxstb: I haven't tried to put idct in iram yet ... |
| 23:03:47 | quiksilver | im sorry.... i pasted and it split it in many lines |
| 23:04:01 | chriscool9 | Ok so thank you for replys, but im really new to this. Just to clarify there is no way of jsut copy and pasting this patch? |
| 23:04:08 | linuxstb | quiksilver: 1) If your filenames have spaces in them, surround them by quotes - "E:\Simpsons 16x20 - Home Away From Homer.avi" ; 2) I don't think you need the <> brackets - those were just to show you where to change things. |
| 23:04:16 | sharpe | chriscool9: nope... |
| 23:04:40 | quiksilver | linuxstb: thank you i will give it a shot |
| 23:05:11 | linuxstb | quiksilver: Is your LCD perfectly square? i.e. exactly the same width and height (in mm). |
| 23:05:20 | quiksilver | yes it is |
| 23:05:58 | linuxstb | Then you'll get nicely distorted video. For normal (4:3) video, 128x96 would look correct. |
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| 23:06:40 | quiksilver | ok thanks a lot |
| 23:07:11 | chriscool9 | Right ok thanks guys, replys are much appreciated |
| 23:08:05 | quiksilver | linuxstb: THANK YOU SO MUCH!! |
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| 23:12:15 | quiksilver | linuxstb: the thing now is i dunno where it saved it :/ |
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| 23:15:58 | linuxstb | quiksilver: Is it not in C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC ? |
| 23:17:24 | quiksilver | hmm 1 sec there is a file in here that is called "stream-0-mpga" (not what i named the file but i will give it a shot on my h10) will get back to u in a bit... |
| 23:17:41 | dionoea | that'll be the audio part |
| 23:17:44 | dionoea | not the video |
| 23:17:53 | dionoea | mpga like mpeg audio |
| 23:18:11 | dionoea | quiksilver: did you use the .bat file ? |
| 23:18:47 | quiksilver | no i did not |
| 23:19:02 | linuxstb | mirak_: The 176x96 video is playing at around 40fps on my ipod Photo. The 224x176 one is around 20fps. |
| 23:19:17 | dionoea | quiksilver: you're doing it from cmd.exe ? |
| 23:19:29 | SeymourGlass | linuxstb: its really bad |
| 23:19:37 | quiksilver | yes i am |
| 23:19:43 | linuxstb | SeymourGlass: What's really bad? |
| 23:20:04 | SeymourGlass | i doubt that any other os would be able to compete with apple os right now in video department |
| 23:20:17 | SeymourGlass | after the last update its a really powerful video device |
| 23:20:30 | linuxstb | Yes, the 5g's dedicated video processor helps a little... |
| 23:20:50 | dionoea | quiksilver: you're in the VLC install directory ? |
| 23:21:03 | linuxstb | mpegplayer is for devices without dedicated video chips. |
| 23:21:08 | SeymourGlass | linuxstb: can u believe it can do 720x400 @ 24fps H264 AVC @ 2mbit/s and its not the limit |
| 23:21:10 | quiksilver | dionoea; yes i am |
| 23:21:40 | dionoea | do you get any messages in the messages window in VLC when launching it ? |
| 23:21:49 | dionoea | (/me hates windows for VLC debugging) |
| 23:22:10 | dionoea | you need to open the messages window. Close VLC. And then relaunch your command line to get all the debug i think |
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| 23:22:55 | quiksilver | umm i dont follow u... |
| 23:23:15 | dionoea | ok, i'll do it again then :) |
| 23:23:16 | quiksilver | i kinda got confused when u asked about the messages.. |
| 23:23:21 | quiksilver | :D |
| 23:23:28 | dionoea | you open the messages window in View->Messages |
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| 23:23:32 | linuxstb | I would have expected there to be better MPEG encoders than VLC available to Windows users... Are there no other free encoders? |
| 23:23:53 | dionoea | linuxstb: i'd say that there must be hundreds :) |
| 23:24:00 | SeymourGlass | yeah, there are alot |
| 23:24:04 | quiksilver | allright |
| 23:24:08 | quiksilver | im in the messages |
| 23:24:09 | linuxstb | So why is everyone struggling with the VLC command-line? |
| 23:24:14 | dionoea | quiksilver: you close the main vlc controler |
| 23:24:16 | SeymourGlass | Ive done some heavy dvd authoring |
| 23:24:22 | mirak_ | linuxstb: my 220*176 is at 13-14 fps |
| 23:24:29 | dionoea | linuxstb: because you can't output the raw mpeg2 video thing with the interface |
| 23:24:40 | linuxstb | Then don't - just demux it afterwards. |
| 23:24:54 | dionoea | and the GUI basically sucks when you're doing streaming |
| 23:24:54 | quiksilver | dionoea: it closed teh messages window as well |
| 23:25:12 | dionoea | quiksilver: now if you re-launch VLC it should open the messages window automatically. |
| 23:25:22 | dionoea | so you can launch the command line and get all the debug in the window |
| 23:25:58 | quiksilver | dionoea: ok so now i retype the command and see where it goes by looking at the messages? |
| 23:26:03 | dionoea | right |
| 23:26:07 | dionoea | and look for red lines |
| 23:26:14 | quiksilver | ok |
| 23:26:15 | quiksilver | will do |
| 23:26:51 | dionoea | linuxstb: i don't know if the ffmpeg command line tool works on windows ... but you'd end up with the same issues as VLC in the end i guess |
| 23:27:53 | dionoea | and if you want to do stuff like burn subs in the movie, read almost any kind of codecs as input, etc. i guess that it doesn't leave that many choices |
| 23:28:06 | linuxstb | SeymourGlass: Going back to the ipod 5g's video capabilities - what's the point in being able to decode 720x400? The LCD is only 320x240, and if I want to watch videos on my TV, I just use an xbox which can play any video format I throw at it. |
| 23:28:16 | linuxstb | dionoea: I'm thinking more about closed-source encoders. |
| 23:28:27 | SeymourGlass | linuxstb: xbox is heavier, larger |
| 23:28:28 | SeymourGlass | etc |
| 23:28:34 | dionoea | well closed source stuff will have limitations on inputs |
| 23:28:37 | linuxstb | I don't carry it around with me... |
| 23:28:41 | stripwax | heh |
| 23:28:46 | toad | is there any way to use the ipod video font (myriad pro) in rockbox? |
| 23:28:49 | dionoea | most likely no subs support |
| 23:28:52 | SeymourGlass | linuxstb: well its certainly not bad |
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| 23:28:58 | stripwax | Same way you don't carry your tv around with you |
| 23:29:13 | SeymourGlass | u can do dvd rips which are ipod compatible and also look great on computer |
| 23:29:18 | stripwax | toad - if you can find it in bdf format, then yes! |
| 23:29:39 | toad | stripwax: is the process for converting otf to bdf complicated? |
| 23:29:50 | dionoea | maybe you could try using handbrake |
| 23:30:03 | stripwax | toad: I have absolutely no idea. |
| 23:30:13 | toad | shucks |
| 23:30:15 | dionoea | quiksilver: any luck ? |
| 23:30:40 | SeymourGlass | linuxstb: actually i prefer encode larger resolutioni than 320x240 anyway |
| 23:30:41 | stripwax | toad - maybe try googling for a font convertor? |
| 23:30:43 | quiksilver | dionoea: yes im working on it give me a second im a bit slow :D |
| 23:30:48 | dionoea | hehe, ok :) |
| 23:30:54 | SeymourGlass | it looks better if u disable the widesceen feature in options |
| 23:30:54 | mirak_ | linuxstb: there is a screenbuffer in iram ? |
| 23:31:01 | stripwax | hey, there's a program called "otf2bdf" .. :-) |
| 23:31:09 | linuxstb | SeymourGlass: Now if the ipod had an hdmi output and could play my hi-def 1440x1080i MPEG-4 AVC streams, I would be interested... |
| 23:31:24 | stripwax | toad - this could be a useful link for you - http://www.misticriver.net/archive/index.php/t-33835.html |
| 23:31:25 | linuxstb | mirak_: No, it's too big on the colour targets for IRAM. |
| 23:31:34 | mirak_ | ah |
| 23:31:39 | SeymourGlass | linuxstb: i guess its not far ahead |
| 23:31:51 | stripwax | linuxstb - ah, is that why we need to read pixels back to do transparency? |
| 23:32:04 | toad | I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 23:32:21 | SeymourGlass | I wonder what exactly are the capabilities of current ipod hardware |
| 23:32:32 | SeymourGlass | maybe it can do 720p |
| 23:32:33 | stripwax | linuxstb - (by we I guess I mean hotdog) |
| 23:33:34 | linuxstb | stripwax: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 23:33:51 | dionoea | the next (non bugfix) VLC release will have something called streaming profiles which should make it really easy to do the transcoding process using the GUI with no/limited knowledge of what actually goes on. But that's not ready yet |
| 23:34:21 | linuxstb | stripwax: We have a framebuffer in RAM - just not in the fast IRAM. |
| 23:34:39 | linuxstb | What about front-ends to ffmpeg? |
| 23:35:31 | stripwax | linuxstb - ah ok. i'm probably just an idiot misremembering some code in the rockbox driver that I thought I also saw in hotdog. lemme see if i can find what I'm thinking of |
| 23:35:37 | dionoea | those should work too (you loose the ability to burn subs in the movie ... that'd be alright i guess) |
| 23:38:46 | mirak_ | linuxstb: ipods sucks |
| 23:38:57 | stripwax | mirak_ - huh?? |
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| 23:46:07 | stripwax | more plugins should use lcd_update_rect rather than lcd_update, I reckon. how does WPS currently know when to update just a part of the lcd versus the whole thing? |
| 23:46:30 | quiksilver | dionoea:yes i have done it but i dont understand teh messages ... |
| 23:46:43 | dionoea | quiksilver: paste them on paste.videolan.org, i'll have a look |
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| 23:47:30 | * | petur suspects the build server hangs again |
| 23:47:51 | * | Bagder crawls out from the shadows |
| 23:48:01 | petur | eek |
| 23:48:06 | dionoea | quicksilver: ffmpeg warning: MPEG1/2 does not support 8000000/333711 fps |
| 23:48:12 | quiksilver | dionoea:i pasted it |
| 23:48:21 | dionoea | that's mentioned on the wiki page for MpegPlayer i think |
| 23:48:38 | dionoea | try adding ,fps=25 in #transcode{ } |
| 23:48:53 | quiksilver | ok |
| 23:49:06 | linuxstb | Or 24000/1001 to be more accurate? |
| 23:49:08 | toad | well I've converted myriad to bdf but it looks kind of bad |
| 23:49:14 | toad | the 'r' is off the baseline for example |
| 23:49:18 | toad | er, to fnt |
| 23:49:57 | * | linuxstb is looking forward to the inevitable audio/video sync issues... |
| 23:50:02 | dionoea | :) |
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| 23:50:57 | linuxstb | Does ffmpeg do accurate fps conversion? |
| 23:51:03 | SeymourGlass | no it doesn't |
| 23:51:11 | SeymourGlass | it can't do 23.978 properly |
| 23:51:18 | SeymourGlass | you get asynced movies |
| 23:51:48 | * | linuxstb is happy with PAL's nice and sensible 25fps |
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| 23:52:02 | SeymourGlass | yes, pal rocks |
| 23:52:10 | SeymourGlass | has no interlacing problems |
| 23:52:20 | SeymourGlass | ntsc is pain in the ass |
| 23:52:49 | tucoz | Hi. Read your discussion on video encoding in windows, and the gui4ffmpeg looks ok. http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=gui4ffmpeg |
| 23:52:50 | quiksilver | dionoea: should i paste the messages again? |
| 23:52:56 | dionoea | didn't it work ? |
| 23:53:19 | quiksilver | theres still a red line |
| 23:53:51 | quiksilver | but i see the file |
| 23:54:03 | quiksilver | so i will test it and tell u if i need more help :P |
| 23:54:24 | dionoea | :) |
| 23:54:47 | dionoea | i'm sure that we can disable that mpeg2 encoding fps check somehow |
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| 23:57:57 | quiksilver | dionoea: THANKS IT WORKED!!1 |
| 23:58:03 | dionoea | you're welcome |
| 23:58:14 | quiksilver | dionoea: pretty good quality too |
| 23:58:20 | quiksilver | :D:D:D |
| 23:58:40 | dionoea | pretty bad compared to HD h264 ... but ok for the ipod i guess :) |
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