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#rockbox log for 2006-09-14

00:00:05quiksilverneways i gtg
00:00:07linuxstbquiksilver: The H10 should have the best video support in Rockbox - due to the tiny LCD...
00:00:14dionoeacrap, i can't find a file that doesn't have a valid mpeg2 framerate
00:00:14quiksilverthanks alot again...
00:00:18dionoeai'll have to make one up
00:00:30SeymourGlasswhats the use for video feature if your screen can't compete with the 1989. gameboy screen
00:00:42 Quit Massa ("IceChat - Its whips the llama's butt")
00:00:45quiksilverlinuxstb: thats very good to know more props to my h10 !!!
00:00:45dionoea1989 gameboy was greyscale :)
00:00:50tucozhmm. looks like the new nanos might have a cover made of plastic and not aluminium in this picture.
00:00:51SeymourGlassyeah, and it rocked
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00:00:57dionoeai agree :)
00:00:59SeymourGlassdionoea: I still have one
00:01:02SeymourGlassjust the small version
00:01:14SeymourGlasscan't find the Zelda cartridge
00:01:17SeymourGlassbest game ever
00:01:39tucozBut this looks like aluminium
00:02:56SeymourGlasshandmade by Jobs himself
00:03:33tucoza lot prettier than the old nanos at least
00:03:48SeymourGlassI believe they could use this as marketing strategy - like Steve Jobs peed on this device or smth
00:04:49preglowanyone opened a new nano yet?
00:05:05tucoz"Durable anodized aluminum" from the sales pitch, set a stop to my questions
00:05:24Bagdeririver S10, 17.5gram 2GB flash player =>
00:05:34Bagderincluding 1.15" lcd
00:05:36SeymourGlasstucoz: is it as scratchable as always?
00:05:55tucozno idea. I would expect it to be as scratchable as the minis
00:06:13dionoeai'll update the VLC command line to disable the framerate check
00:07:11Bagdeririver indeed likes the number 10 in model names
00:07:57tucozand apple indeed likes the letter i in model names
00:08:13SeymourGlassits better than the XT ULTRA PRO or that kind of stuff
00:08:13Bagderperhaps their keyboards have the key stuck
00:08:22linuxstbBut not at the end of the word aluminium...
00:08:48SeymourGlassiDurable iAnodized iAluminium
00:09:15tucozCame to think of it. I wonder if there is a tool called iBackup that lets you handle itunes and iphoto backups.
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00:09:16Bagderoh, "Greenphone SDKs can be purchased today by contacting Trolltech"
00:10:08*linuxstb googles
00:10:09Bagdertrolltech's qtopia-based phone
00:10:27tucozlinuxstb: hehe. didn´t notice that. guess their ´i´ key got worned out.
00:11:03SeymourGlass"i" is not so bad
00:11:06SeymourGlassit could be schmi
00:11:16SeymourGlassthen it would be really bad
00:11:24SeymourGlassschmiPod :)))
00:15:16*Bagder mailed trolltech
00:15:29Bagdergimme gimme ;)
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00:18:37tucozis there some kind of descramble tool for the ipod firmware? in that case, couldn´t one run strings on that to see if they mention PP5024 for instance?
00:18:56tucozon the new firmware that is
00:19:43SeymourGlassis that PP5024 5x more powerful than current CPU?
00:20:56tucozBut it has more stuff integrated than the PP5022 for instance, i think
00:21:07SeymourGlassthe 5g has PP5022?
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00:24:06preglow5021, i think
00:24:44SeymourGlassit can do pretty amazing stuff for its 75mhz frequency
00:27:18tucozIt has a dedicated video decoding chip
00:29:02mirak_"move.w #0,(12,%a0)\n\t" <−−−− this doesn't work on coldfire 5249
00:29:30mirak_I can't add immediate with displacement
00:29:45SeymourGlassok, me goes to sleep and watch Breakfast at Tiffany's
00:30:25tucozheh, you can buy each and every ipod part from this store.
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00:34:14webguest24amiconn: on the Archos player and studio jukebox's, is the SNR low, i.e. is there white noise evident with music stopped ?
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00:36:26webguest24Bagder: on the Archos player and studio jukebox's, is the SNR low, i.e. is there white noise evident with music stopped ?
00:38:26webguest24anyone with Archos jukebox's ?
00:39:05tucozThat is not that common nowadays
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00:40:20webguest24hmm, was hoping that some of the "old timers" would be around to give Archos jukebox info
00:41:18tucozMaybe they are sleeping
00:43:38tucozThe "old timers" usually hang around here during the day/evening (CET)
00:45:04webguest24yep, I'll catch them tomorrow, thanks
00:45:27tucozor use the forums or mailing list
00:46:24tucozMy impression is that the mailing list have some archos using subscribers
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00:49:50X-tremcan i ask a question ?
00:50:39pixelmatucoz: the remotes' vector drawings are almost done...
00:50:55X-tremi need to know how i can apply patches like doomdehacked.diff
00:51:06tucozpixelma: nice :)
00:51:58 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:52:10X-tremtucoz is there any simplified documentation a normal user can understand ?
00:53:19X-tremmy own reason for all of this is to patch rockdoom, cuz i tried to run halflife.wad and it displayed "This wad does not follow doom standard graphics"
00:53:48amiconnwebguest24: The SNR of the archoses is significantly better than that of many newer players
00:53:53tucozX-trem: look at this page:
00:54:58X-tremcan you just please tell me if i patched my rockdoom, will I be able to play half life addon
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00:55:05webguest24I have a H140, and they are better than that, amazing
00:55:30belzewell, the snr of the h1xx are not that great
00:55:35tucozX-trem: sorry. i have no idea about that
00:55:35belzeso its not hard to be better ;)
00:55:57almondjoywow, haven't used mirc since my quake 1 days.... :)
00:56:21almondjoycan i ask questions here relating to problems installing rockbox?
00:56:53almondjoyi have an ipod mini 2g
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00:57:19almondjoybootloader installation went fine...unplugged it and got the -1 error, and it defaulted back to apple's layout
00:57:24[xt]hello rockbox people
00:57:45tucozalmondjoy. you have to unzip the file to the root of your mini
00:57:49[xt]is there some sort of interactive rockbox emulator so i can test the thing before i wipe out my ipod ?
00:57:52belzealmondjoy: have you extracted the zip-fiel into the root-folder of your player?
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00:58:06almondjoybut when i reconnected it to install the rockbox software, my ipod doesn't appear under My Computer
00:58:29tucozI think you have to enter disk mode somehow
00:58:40belzeyou have to hold a button
00:58:43belzei think its menu
00:58:53almondjoyi had it in disk mode - the ipod would appear under my computer every time i connected it prior to all of this
00:59:16almondjoyah - you mean force it into disk mode while it's rebooting or something?
00:59:51barrywardellalmondjoy: i think select + play forces it into disk mode
01:00:12tucoztry, i do not own an ipod so i wouldn´t know. But the -1 error is because you do not have the rockbox files unzipped to your player
01:01:16amiconnmirak5: "move.w #0,(12,%a0)\n\t"
01:01:28almondjoybarrywardell: let me try that...hang on
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01:01:38amiconnOf course that won't work on coldfire. It would require too many extension words.
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01:02:26amiconnBut why difficult when it's actually simple: Just use clr.w (12,%a0)
01:02:40[xt]what the heck's with all these .zips and windows installers ? what kind of open source project is this anyway ?
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01:02:58tucozpixelma: sorry you didnt get my messages
01:03:02belze[xt]: there is only one zip-file for every plattform
01:03:06belzewhy is so hard about that?
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01:03:17almondjoybarrywardell: should i soft-reset the ipod, then hold select+play while its rebooting? just holding them while its on doesnt seem to do anything, the screen just goes dark until i let go
01:03:43tucozpixelma: i am on the webclient and can not send priv. messages
01:03:48barrywardellhold select+menu until it resets and you see the apple logo, then hold select + play
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01:04:05pixelmatucoz: you can register in the webclient too :)
01:04:22almondjoyi think...
01:04:33amiconnidentify of course
01:04:34almondjoyworked...awesome, thanks.
01:04:42tucozpixelma: ok. but i will log off shortly. But my response was WOW :)
01:05:19almondjoyanother question: will RockBox read the ID3 tags?
01:05:41almondjoyor do I have to erase everything and start over with directory trees as I have them on my PC?
01:06:01tucozbut i have only seen the remotes in scans and photo. but my impression is that they look truly great
01:06:17barrywardellalmondjoy: tagcache uses the ID3 tags. you can read about it in the manual
01:06:19tucoz(your drawings that is)
01:06:25pixelmatucoz: hehe... as I said: it still needs to be checked
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01:07:12almondjoyok, thank you.
01:08:03pixelmatucoz: ok then I'll ask another one / search the net
01:09:35tucozpixelma: yes, i think you would have to ask someone with the h300 remotes. I think LinusN has both
01:11:26almondjoyoh boy.
01:11:28pixelmaGenre9mp3 did the scans but he isn't here, too...
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01:11:40tucozah, that is right
01:12:00almondjoybarrywardell: i loaded the rockbox software, ejected the ipod from itunes, and it froze with the checkmark and "OK to Disconnect"
01:12:06almondjoyso i rebooted with select+menu
01:12:41barrywardellyeah, i think you have to manually reboot from disk mode
01:12:46barrywardellso that's ok
01:13:02almondjoyand now its stuck in a cycle: blank screen, apple logo, rockbox initialization fine print, then the rockbox logo and some other logo briefly appear
01:13:05almondjoyand it resets
01:13:27tucozdid you install the correct rockbox?
01:13:42almondjoyyeah, ipod mini 2g
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01:14:10linuxstb_almondjoy: Do you still have the USB cable plugged in?
01:14:14almondjoyunzipped it straight into the root directory
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01:14:25almondjoyi just plugged it back in and it stopped the cycle
01:14:33almondjoynow it has "Do not disconnect"
01:14:47almondjoyand it shows up in my computer
01:15:48barrywardelltry ejecting and disconnecting the usb cable now
01:16:36almondjoydisconnected, and its frozen at the "OK to disconnect" screen again
01:16:46almondjoydoesnt respond to buttons
01:17:11almondjoywhen i plug it back in, its fine...
01:18:53almondjoyany ideas?
01:21:24maddog012 <−−- the new VI !
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01:23:57Kazehello everyone
01:25:02Kazealrighty so is there anyone here?
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01:26:31Kazeso Im tryin to find some info on Tetrox is there a version for it to go onto the iRiver H10 5gb and if so where can I find it
01:27:02goppwow it's been just over 24 hours since Apple unveiled the 2nd Generation iPod nano, and the first unboxing shots are starting to trickle in. AppleInsider captured some super close-up images of a green model
01:27:08goppwow no more carton box
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01:27:14thegeekthe new nano looks like shit
01:27:18thegeekI hate the new look
01:27:28thegeeksmooth edges look like crap
01:27:29goppwow the ipod nano comes it a clear hard plastic
01:27:37goppI love it
01:27:48goppI like the new nano, I think it looks cute
01:27:52tucozKaze: I do not think Tetrox is adopted to the 128x128x16 resolution yet
01:27:57thegeekfucking hate it
01:28:06thegeekthe old nano look was much better
01:28:09goppthey even exposed some tiny flaws in the metal −− and sat it down for a powwow next to a 1G nano and a podgy 4G iPod. A Flickr user named Justin Williams also photographed the unboxing of his latest splurge, this time in the shadow of his monolithic Cinema Display
01:28:10thegeekatleast it was classy
01:28:23belzei dont like the ipods ;P
01:28:23goppthegeek I love it, it looks like my mini
01:28:25belzeall of them
01:28:32thegeekI hate the mini too
01:28:37Kazetucoz ah okay ya I looked and looked but no luck what about bubbles or that jewl game?
01:29:03Galoisis there any hope for rockbox on the new nanos?
01:29:35tucozThe H10 port is moving forward in a fast pace, so I guess the plugins will be adopted soon
01:29:53Kazek cool thanks, ya Im still green when it comes to this side of tech
01:29:54tucozand even sooner if more people join in and help with that
01:30:01almondjoytucoz: any ideas on the cycle of death?
01:30:08tucozNo, sorry
01:30:49Kazeanyone know that sound status for playing vids on rockbox?
01:30:50tucozKaze: the resolution of the h10 5gb is not used in other rockbox targets. that is why those plugins do not work yet
01:31:10Kazeoh ya I think I read that somewhere in the misticriver forum
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01:31:28tucozthere is no sound when playing vids. that is the status
01:31:51tucozbut i know there have been some testing to get sound working.
01:32:10Kazeoh okay becuase I came across some h10 threads saying audio has been added but I cant find anything from rockbox on it
01:32:39tucoznothing functional yet, and no estimated dates when it _is_ functional
01:32:50gopphas any one tryed rockbox on the new nano
01:32:52tucozcould be pretty soon thought
01:32:52goppsince it out
01:33:09goppand look at this hack
01:33:10goppOk Mac fanboys, listen up: if you somehow manage to have two not-yet-released Clovertown Intel Core 2 quad-core chips kicking around and you happen to have recently bought a Mac Pro, you can pop the pair of them right there into your nice little LGA-771 sockets, for some oct-awesome processing power
01:33:11Kazek cool thanks for your help
01:33:22goppthey put a quad core chip on a powermac
01:33:30goppand the system didn't hipcup
01:33:38pixelmaKaze: I'm working on the graphic adaption of tetrox for this resolution :)
01:33:41goppand they could not find application to over stress the system
01:33:53gopphow much is itunes 7 charing
01:33:55goppfor games
01:34:00goppgames should be free
01:34:07Kazeoh awesome pixelma ya Im a huge tetris fan so I was like YES!!! so Im looking forward to it
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01:34:23Kazewhere will you post it when your done?
01:34:24goppI wish they would have that racing game grandprix
01:34:26goppfor the ipod
01:34:44belzegopp: 5$ per game
01:35:04belzeits a total rip-off i'd say
01:35:27pixelmaKaze: I have someone with commit access near ;)
01:36:00Kazeoh okay ^^
01:36:08goppdam that a rip off
01:36:36belzeand im still laughing about that gap less feature
01:36:43belzewhich was announced like a break-through
01:37:12goppit not break trough
01:37:18goppthat the main reason I used rockbox
01:37:20goppand ogg
01:37:26goppdoes new firmware support ogg
01:37:36goppand how do we know if apple didn't just rip the rockbox firmware
01:37:40goppand used the code
01:37:49belzei doubt they will support ogg
01:37:49goppfor gapless
01:38:07belzeapple likes to have everything proprietary like microsoft
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01:39:09tucozgood night
01:39:11Kazebelze thats becuase Bill Gates owns half of mac lol he started buying into the company in like 84 when it almost went bankrupt and has been buying more and more since
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01:39:18Galoisis the gapless actually for ipods, or just itunes ?
01:39:30goppfor the ipod
01:39:39goppitunes already had some sort of cross fade
01:39:42goppin party mode
01:39:45Galois says itunes
01:39:49linuxstb_Isn't it just the 5g ipod though?
01:39:50goppbut it automatic
01:40:02goppit a software gapless not hardware
01:40:16belzeGalois: i think you have to scan the files with itunes, so the ipod knows where to cut the files
01:40:52goppbelze I think itunes 7 does it automaticall
01:40:55goppafter you install it
01:41:07goppbut how does automatic gapless
01:41:12goppknow when a song starts
01:41:23almondjoygopp: you're right, i installed itunes 7 today
01:41:24goppi know some songs I got have a gap in the being of song
01:41:26gopplike 2 sec
01:41:30Galoisit had better store the info in the itunesdb because modifying song files is unacceptable
01:41:31almondjoydoes it automatically, then does it on the ipod
01:41:52goppbut how does it know a song has no sound when it start
01:42:00goppI gotten m usic that start a litte late
01:42:04gopplike 4 or 5 seconds
01:42:22amiconnReal gapless won't remove any intentional gap
01:42:34amiconnIf it does, it's gap removal not real gapless
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01:43:07goppoh I hate gaps
01:43:38belzebut luckily we got rockbox to do gapless playback ;)
01:44:01*amiconn hates any change to the playback which isn't intended by the artist
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01:45:23amiconnThat's why I really like gapless and hate it when daps add artificial gaps, but don't want things like gap removal, crossfading, fade in/out and other stuff of that type
01:46:51goppI like fade in and out of songs
01:46:53gopplove it
01:47:01gopprockbox is great
01:47:08goppI have this netgear mp101
01:47:10goppit sucks
01:47:18goppit has like 20 second gap between songs
01:47:28goppin shuffle or regular mode
01:47:44goppit a dap that works ove upnp and wifi, and even with townky the firmware still slow
01:49:07goppi wish rockbox was supported on it
01:49:32goppas the offical netgear firmware / server/ host or w hat ever software was the worst ever never worked correctly
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01:58:05amiconnSlasheri: Your scheduler7_rc.patch doesn't build for Ondio FM
01:58:19amiconndrivers/fmradio_i2c.c: In function 'fmradio_i2c_ack':
01:58:19amiconndrivers/fmradio_i2c.c:320: error: too few arguments to function 'sleep_thread'
01:58:19amiconndrivers/fmradio_i2c.c:321: warning: implicit declaration of function 'wake_up_thread'
01:58:19DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
01:58:19amiconndrivers/fmradio_i2c.c: In function 'fmradio_i2c_getack':
01:58:19amiconndrivers/fmradio_i2c.c:340: error: too few arguments to function 'sleep_thread'
02:03:16amiconnHmm, and it also doesn't build for X5....
02:03:43amiconnIn file included from filetypes.c:31:
02:03:43amiconnplugin.h:254: error: duplicate member 'lcd_remote_set_foreground'
02:03:58amiconn...and 6 more duplicate members
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03:11:31RaiderXok, quick question, having rockbox on a 5g ipod wont mess up using an apple updater will it?
03:11:37***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:13:47JdGordony do u want to use the a[pple updater?
03:15:43RaiderXi wanna test these new games
03:15:53RaiderXi actually bought a couple :x
03:16:22JdGordoni dont know what it does.. u might have to reinstall rockbox after
03:17:11RaiderXwell i know the apple updater replaces the apple firmware files, but i dunno if it wipes the whole partition (in which case id have to reinstall rockbox) or if it just overwrites.. :/
03:17:18RaiderXsomoene please answer me
03:31:32FebsYou would have to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader.
03:35:34RaiderXjust the botloader?
03:36:17RaiderXok ill figure it out
03:36:54FebsWhat games did you buy?
03:37:34RaiderXi spent out my gift card and got zuma, vortex, and cubis
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03:45:25blacksif I want to uninstall rockbox and go back to stock firmware on my mini 1g, but deleted all the apple files from the partition, is it still possible to recover?
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03:52:44FebsDid you save a copy of bootloader.bin?
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03:56:12blacksyes I did
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03:58:57FebsCheck the manual. It lists the instruction you need to use to restore your ipod firmware.
03:59:37blacksI saw that I could just dd my bootloader back on, but it'll still boot without ipod_control and all that?
03:59:46billytwowillyso noone has started developing a port of rockbox for the new nano yet eh?;)
04:00:10Febsblacks, I believe that the ipod will create ipod_control if it doesn't exist. If not, itunes will.
04:00:32Febsbillytwowilly, it's tough to do that since no one HAS a new nano yet.
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04:00:57billytwowillybah;) No excuse;)
04:01:05billytwowillyAren't they available at apple stores?
04:01:09CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
04:01:09*billytwowilly thought they were...
04:01:33FebsNo one involved in Rockbox has one. (As far as I know.)
04:05:34billytwowillyI'm just bugging you febs;)
04:05:52billytwowillyI'm more interested in the e200 port;)
04:05:58billytwowillyanyhoo, off to watch the davinci code
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04:15:32JdGordondoes anyone think it would be bad to automatically apply all settings after leavig the setting change screen?
04:16:01LandusAnyone know why several songs are being picked up by the tagcache twice.
04:16:13LandusSo I'll have double entries for the same song when browsing the ID3 database?
04:16:42scorchehave you deleted your tagcache files and re-build?
04:16:57LandusSeveral times.
04:17:41scorcheand you are sure that you dont have duplicates?
04:18:36LandusIf I insert the double entries, then go to Playlist -> File Options -> Delete, all the duplicates point to the same file.
04:18:46LandusAnd if it happns, it's all the songs under an artist.
04:19:21LandusNot just one song.
04:19:38scorchewhat build do you have?
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04:20:15LandusThe build from yesterday.
04:20:21Landus20060912 is done...if someone hasnt helped you by the time i get back, i will continue
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04:53:14oob3can anyone help me, I've installed Rockbox to my X5, when i try to browse my album folders there an no viewable mp3's in them
04:56:16goppcellphone from nextel with mp3
04:56:38goppI know, becuase I Tryed to upload two mp3 to my friend nextel phone he told me, since he owns no computer
04:56:45goppthey would not even load
04:57:08goppeven after I read manual that said certain bitrate 192 and it was far less 160
04:57:18goppand in .mp3 format as stated
04:57:29goppbut for some reason it would not even show up or load
04:57:45goppbut I got one of his cd ripped, with itunes, and those mp3 did work, strange
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05:17:29scottderI am sure this has been to asked to death, is Rockbox going to work on the new nanos?
05:17:37scottderor did they change chipsets?
05:18:24JdGordonno one knows yet
05:18:41JdGordonactually thats not true...
05:18:44JdGordonapple knows
05:19:11scottderI know there was talk about them changing vendors for the chipset a while back....
05:19:24scottder8gb flash based rockbox
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05:19:30scorcheit was their processor...from portal player to samsung
05:19:40scorchebut we are not sure if they have made the switch yet
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05:19:52scorcheit is a pretty big change after all
05:20:09Terinjokeswhat is?
05:20:25scorcheTerinjokes: there is a reason we have logs on the site =)
05:21:05*scottder has forsaken HD based players....they never liked me much :)
05:21:14*Terinjokes is on a mobile device, rocking to some tunes =)
05:21:40Terinjokesthus one app at a time
05:21:55*scottder has never been hapier then when he switched his Nano to Rockbox....
05:22:02scottderQ3 Ogg Vorbis love....
05:22:38Terinjokesmy nano broke seconds after jobs announced a new nano
05:22:38scorcheapple is getting close, but i dont see a reason to downgrade from 127 gigs =)
05:22:49JdGordonim torn... i have 30gb of music (i really only listen to maybe 8 of it tho) which is too much for a flash disk.. but im a cluctz and keep dtopping ym h300
05:22:57JdGordonso the disk will die eventually :'(
05:23:37scorcheTerinjokes: im sure they have plenty of backstock of nanos =)
05:23:40Terinjokesgordon, they all day
05:23:46scorchethe old ones :P
05:23:49scottderHeck I am pretty happy with how much I can fit on 4Gb...but 8 would be nice
05:23:57scottderand I get a discount from work for Apple
05:24:10scottdernot a huge one....but some
05:25:21scottder$234 for the 8gb Nano for example
05:25:51Terinjokesnice...still a bit hey for me
05:26:13*JdGordon is not paying AUD$450 for a 8gb flash player when i can get a 60gb hdd player for that price
05:26:37scorchei need the space
05:26:50scottderwell as I said...I have hadd too much bad luck with HD based players
05:26:53*JdGordon gone
05:26:57scottderand I am pretty gentle with my gear
05:27:10Terinjokesgordon, were are these hdds?
05:27:16scorchehaving huge rubber bumpers on your device is great =)
05:27:58scottdermy curse runs deep....
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05:28:15scottdermy wife has had the 20gb 4Gb ipod for a while with no issues....
05:28:27scottderbefore that I had gone thorught a Creative player then a 3G Ipod
05:28:38scottdermy touch killed them :)
05:28:39scorches/4Gb/4G ?
05:28:49scottderOpps yes
05:29:11Terinjokesnow it make slln
05:29:23scorchesense ;)
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06:32:22anrdewmelHi all, looking for a tiny bit of help to get me started on compiling RB
06:32:27anrdewmelany takers?
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07:02:42JdGordonanrdewmel: whats the problem?
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07:03:31anrdewmelwell I am working through them.... at present I seem unable to cd .. above the c:\Cygwin directory. and the daily command is no recognised. I am about to unzip manually
07:04:13*JdGordon would suggest the colinux image... its all setup already and faster than cygwin
07:04:47JdGordonunless u need the sim.. then id say the vmware image
07:04:48anrdewmeldo I need to be running linux for that?
07:05:03JdGordonno, colinux is linux under windows
07:05:14anrdewmelI am wanting to have a go at improving the metronome plugin
07:05:50scorchei use the VMware image myself
07:09:28oob3hey JdGordon
07:10:08oob3few aussies here eh
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08:51:24Slasheriamiconn:, it has the ondio fm problem fixed and the scheduler is also performance/IRAM -optimized for fast task switching
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08:58:46Bg3rSlasheri: 404
08:59:01Bg3rnever mind
09:01:54*JdGordon has finaly removed the last traces of the config block code in settings.c :D
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09:08:29webguest79Hi guys im fairly computer literate but not shure if im in the right place i would like to know if rockbox is eather fully functional or save to use for the H300, I dont really wont to turn it into a paperwait
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09:09:49JdGordonwebguest79: yes, perfectly sae
09:10:34webguest79how functional is it or is it really only for devolpers
09:11:31JdGordonits been running since january
09:11:35JdGordonit works fin
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09:11:52webguest79sweet thanks guys
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09:30:43webguest65When I go to settings -> browse fonts the cursor is always positioned at the first font. Would it be hard to position it at the font currently in use?
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09:32:24shadouit wouldn't be
09:32:40webguest79jdGordon In the manual under 2.2.4. Installing the firmware it says Note: The current stable release is available only for Archos jukeboxes. There has not yet been a stable release for the Iriver H320 and H340. Until there is a stable release for Iriver H320 and H340, use a daily build or CVS build. Where can I download a 100% stable version
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09:33:02shadounothing is 100% stable
09:33:09shadoueven your factory firmware is bound to have bugs
09:33:14webguest79yer ok
09:33:26shadouthat being said, stable in that particular sentence means
09:33:29shadounon-developer release stable
09:33:38shadoui.e; not a cvs or daily build
09:33:52webguest79i just dont want it to crash
09:33:56shadoucvs or daily builds may very well be "100%" stable.
09:34:19shadouit's usually good to check out the build targets on the cvs page to see if your particular port has build errors
09:34:21shadouor even the forums
09:34:35webguest65shadou: " wouldn't be" Is it the answer to font cursor positioning?
09:34:49shadouwebguest63: yes, it wouldn't be hard
09:34:55shadouin a logical sense
09:35:11shadouI've not even thought about trying to code C on those AMR platforms
09:35:18amiconnNo build errors don't guarantee anything regarding stability
09:35:36shadouthat's true
09:36:07_jhMikeS_hmmm...I'm wondering if I shouldn't put the Frequency and Channels settings in the encoder config menu since they're very dependent upon which format you want. Any thought?
09:36:17shadoutake the plunge, even rockbox with bugs is probably better than the factory firmware
09:36:29amiconnThat said, rockbox is stable enough to be safe to use on the newer targets
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09:37:00webguest79 yes your brobably right hav u guys got a version loaded at the moment that u know works
09:37:01amiconnWhether it's stable enough to not annoy the user depends on the user
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09:37:29stripwaxwebguest79 - the daily builds work
09:37:29shadouI'm running a cvs build from sometime last week on my nano :P
09:37:30webguest65shadou: ah, there is even a feature request: FS #5080
09:37:37shadouwebguest63: well there ya go :P
09:38:18webguest65shadou: are you in -2-mode (I'm webguest65) :-)
09:38:43shadouDidn't press tab enough.
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09:40:51webguest65 @devs with good RockBox GUI API knowledge: please look at the feature request FS #5080
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09:45:02jhMikeSnoone cares if I do that then? ??
09:46:00amiconnSlasheri: Still doesn't build for X5 ...
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09:46:29jhMikeSamiconn: ^^ about changing where channels and frequency are set
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09:52:32preglowjhMikeS: i think the selection of sample rates should change depending on which codec you use, but i don't know if encoder settings is the most logical place
09:53:26preglowsample rate is one of the more central settings of recording itself, not a feature of the encoder, so it doesn't really make sense to put it there
09:53:56jhMikeSpreglow: I don't know it get pretty you can keep you're preffered settings for each format. Mono/Stereo suffers the same problems.
09:55:13peturwel even the wav writer is an encoder, so it makes some sense for me
09:55:19preglowsure, i expect it can get hairy, but it really doesn't change the fact that it's a weird place to keep settings like that
09:56:29preglowhow would the bottom level menu structure look if you removed those options?
09:56:34jhMikeSIt's a matter of priority really. Encoder settings will have to dominate the frequency and channels selection.
09:56:40webguest79ok guys thanks for your help im gona use daily build 2006-09-13 I hope this works, I can handle bugs. But my H300 better not become a paperwait
09:57:12preglowmight happen
09:57:19preglowyour choice
09:57:31preglowjhMikeS: it will indeed
09:58:06preglowjhMikeS: so i guess it will be the easiest by far to implement as an encoder option
09:58:10webguest79Well errr... Does any one know which daily build do and dont work
09:58:14jhMikeSpreglow: well I just don't want to do that if people are really strongly against it
09:58:30preglowwebguest79: it doesn't matter, the bootloader is what matters, and that's the same in all cases
09:58:37preglowwebguest79: if you get a build that doesn't work, then you install a new one
09:58:50preglowwebguest79: in any case, i ddoubt there are any builds that don't work
09:59:23peturwebguest79: the bootloader has usb mode so you can always access the disk and install another build
09:59:26preglowjhMikeS: i'm not strongly against it, i just feel it's not very logical. but i do however see it's practical
09:59:34webguest79yes that makes sense coz the boot ladder is the firmware
09:59:47webguest79and the build is not
09:59:51webguest79thanks again
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10:00:18jhMikeSpreglow: It just might simplify things a lot. If you don't cull the bottom level choices, then you have to adjust encoder settings behind the user's back to make it right.
10:00:34preglowjhMikeS: anyway, how will you merge that with the platform issue? h1x0 doesn't support all the mpeg sample rates by far, for eaxmple
10:00:57preglowjhMikeS: yes, sure, but it's still possible to do that in a very user visible manner
10:01:00linuxstbDoes the MP3 encoder support the MPEG 2.5 samplerates (11025, 12000, 8000) ?
10:01:03jhMikeSSample rates available will be the intersection of that hardware and encoder sample rates
10:01:07preglowlinuxstb: yes
10:01:11jhMikeS*the hardware
10:01:13preglowlinuxstb: no
10:01:18preglowjust mpeg 2, i think
10:01:45jhMikeSpreglow: yes, just MPEG 2. mp3_enc is basically a copy of mp3_encoder as it is
10:01:58preglowwhy do we still have mp3_encoder, btw? :>
10:02:01linuxstbWould MPEG 2.5 be trivial to add though? i.e. just setting the right bits in the frame header?
10:02:06preglowlinuxstb: doubt it
10:02:24jhMikeSpreglow: I guess so you can convert existing files?
10:02:55jhMikeSmp3_enc will need some emacgic eventually
10:02:56preglowjhMikeS: wouldn't it be easyish to just make a single interface for that that works with all encoders?
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10:03:12preglowjhMikeS: hasn't it already been emacgicified?
10:03:22jhMikeSpreglow: butterfly hasn't
10:03:32preglowbutterflying isn't easily emacified
10:04:23jhMikeSwhat do you mean "single interface"? I have an enc_api.c that will pick the right menus and such for the AMFT
10:04:23preglowimdct is its own inverse, so we could rip out the one in libmad and use that in mp3_enc as well
10:04:56preglowjhMikeS: i mean some transcoder interface in rockbox
10:05:05preglowjhMikeS: so we don't need all this duplicate encoder code lying around
10:06:28jhMikeSpreglow: you mean the wav2wav mp3_encoder and such? I think that would be np to do after getting all the "good stuff" enabled. You can run encoder settings menus without actually using its cfg on disk
10:08:47jhMikeSJust load the encoder, configure the settings then throw samples its way not through DMA but by reading from a file or whatever. Just need to separate it a tiny bit from the recording.
10:09:38jhMikeSCan that be in the future...future...future? I'd just like to get this mongo update working nicely. :)
10:10:23jhMikeSpreglow: what the heck does butterfly do? I couldn't google anything really good about it.
10:11:44preglowjhMikeS: a butterfly is the smallest component of many frequency domain transforms
10:11:49preglowdoesn't look like there is any in mp3_Enc
10:12:07preglowthe mdct that is there seems to be emacifiable indeed
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10:14:17preglowit's been factored to mostly adds and subs, though
10:17:16jhMikeS /* Perform aliasing reduction butterfly */
10:17:16jhMikeS if(band != 0)
10:17:16jhMikeS {
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10:17:16jhMikeS for(k=7; k>=0; −−k)
10:17:16jhMikeS {
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10:17:17jhMikeS int bu, bd;
10:17:19jhMikeS bu = shft15(mdct[k]) * ca[k] +
10:17:21jhMikeS shft15(mdct[-1-k]) * cs[k];
10:17:23jhMikeS bd = shft15(mdct[k]) * cs[k] -
10:17:25jhMikeS shft15(mdct[-1-k]) * ca[k];
10:17:27jhMikeS mdct[-1-k] = bu;
10:17:29jhMikeS mdct[ k ] = bd;
10:17:31jhMikeS }
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10:17:38preglowi also do line numbers :>
10:17:51preglowbut yeah, there's the butterfly right there in the middle
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10:23:05linuxstbjhMikeS: Going back to your question, I don't feel that strongly either, but my vote would be to make samplerate and channels "core" recording settings - they are hardware settings that control the ADC, not software settings that control the encoder.
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10:30:46jhMikeSlinuxstb: They may be "core" and "hardware" but are they to someone just using rb? If the enoder choice doesn't dominate the sr setting, then what do I set the encoder or its settings to when the chosen rate is incompatible? Things will change behind the user's back but I'm looking to minimize that. Setting up the encoder will have to effect sample rate and channels, no choice really.
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10:34:08jhMikeSI'm thinking maybe the encoder should return a bit mask after it's been configured giving the available channels/rates.
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10:34:40linuxstbjhMikeS: You've persuaded me. Make them encoder settings :)
10:36:40jhMikeSlinuxstb: Actually I just thought of a way to keep it as is that will work well (bitmask). Read last sentence. :) Or is it just the dependency of the channels and samplerate on the encoder that's convincing?
10:37:41linuxstbThat bitmask will need to be target-dependent though - in almost all cases, the ADC is more limiting than the file format. IIUC, WAV (and therefore wavpack) can support any samplerate - so a bitmask won't work unless it only contains the ADC supported samplerates.
10:38:17jhMikeSI'll provide functions to help that
10:38:26linuxstbjhMikeS: The convincing point is the UI - the samplerates the user can choose could potentially change depending on the codec, so it's cleaner to make it a codec setting.
10:38:48linuxstbEven though it's not really what's going on behind the scenes.
10:39:09jhMikeSYou create a bit mask where each bit represents a certain rate no matter what the hw/codec and AND them together to get available rates.
10:39:49jhMikeSlinuxstb: It's all in creating an illusion! :)
10:41:20jhMikeSI have a couple function: audio_round_sample_rate and audio_format_sample_rate and am not certain which file would be best for that kind of utility. They should be available to firmware code on SW and HW I think.
10:41:23linuxstbI guess the same issue applies to bit-depth...
10:41:36preglowjhMikeS: no matter what we do it'll probably confuse some ysers
10:41:38preglowusers too
10:41:56preglowwould someone please kill my throat?
10:42:16jhMikeSpreglow: why's it need killing?
10:43:10preglowit hurts
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10:44:51linuxstbjhMikeS: What do those two functions do?
10:46:04jhMikeSone rounds a given number to the closest available in a list, the other gives a string back for a sample rate like 22, 22.05, 22kHz, or 22.05kHz depending if you want the fraction and or units.
10:47:05linuxstbIsn't there already a function to format a number like that?
10:47:11jhMikeSThat statusbar icon stuff will need a revamp. The digits should be separate bitmaps.
10:47:24jhMikeSlinuxstb: If you know where it is, tell me...can't find it.
10:47:43linuxstbIt's probably used to display samplerate in the WPS... Let me look.
10:47:56jhMikeSThey just seems to be choosing the number from a list of canned strings
10:48:04jhMikeSIn WPS idk
10:48:42jhMikeSWell...that functionality needs to be widely available so the status bar and other displays can use it.
10:48:46JdGordondoes anyone know how to get the correct LANG_ value from a UNIT_ value?
10:49:25jhMikeSJdGordon: Something in talk.c I think?
10:50:18linuxstbjhMikeS: output_dyn_value() in misc.c
10:52:24jhMikeSlinuxstb: thanks...why is misc.c an apps level file btw? It contains useful stuff for firware level...I'm cheating right now and just protyping the functions in the enc_api.c file :)
10:53:06linuxstbWhat's useful in misc.c for the firmware?
10:53:21jhMikeSI need read_line and settings_parseline...
10:53:49linuxstbSomething's wrong then.... Is that due to the hwcodec recording code being in firmware?
10:54:48linuxstbI mean the firmware shouldn't deal with settings loading - that's app-level code.
10:56:01*amiconn thinks the available sample rates and channel settings are not (or should not be) encoder specific
10:56:49jhMikeSamiconn: they can't not be made encoder influenced though.
10:56:54amiconnAs long as we only support the standard sample rates, all encoders should be able to support all sample rates
10:56:55mirak6linuxstb at leat we can match iriver firmware video playback ... :-(
10:57:05amiconnjhMikeS: Example?
10:57:16jhMikeSAs long as we only support 44.1 everything will be fine!
10:57:29markunmirak6: can't get more than 10fps?
10:57:44amiconnWe have 8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24/32/44.1/48
10:57:57preglowamiconn: try making speex support 44.1khzs
10:57:59amiconnAll these rates can be supported by all encoders
10:58:08preglowamiconn: ok, then go implement it!
10:58:12amiconnDo we have a speex encoder?
10:58:14jhMikeSamiconn: no they can't
10:58:17preglowi hope we will
10:58:20amiconnWe don't even have a decoder
10:58:22jhMikeSmp3 is picky
10:58:27preglowamiconn: we have a decoder soon
10:58:28dwihnoAm I the only one noticing strange button behaviour ever since the button remapping code?
10:58:33preglowamiconn: anyway, i like to plan a little bit ahead
10:58:41dwihno(as in, "old" button combo's won't work)
10:59:02JdGordondwihno: no, and there is a forum thread exactly for that
10:59:12preglowamiconn: the fact that we know such encoders exist really should make us think twice before going with shortsighted solutions
10:59:19dwihnoJdGordon: ah, will check it out.
10:59:49jhMikeSAnd bitrate settings...11.025 is only supported by MPEG2.5 and we can't encoder that now
11:00:31linuxstbamiconn: "standard" samplerates on the ipod include 88.2khz and 96khz - not supported by mp3.
11:00:31jhMikeSBitrate settings are different for MPEG2 which is used for 22.050
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11:02:22jhMikeSSo if you choose MP3 on coldfire, you have 44.1 and 22.05 to choose from as those are the two rate common to both
11:03:00jhMikeSEven if we do downsampling it's still restricted by codec
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11:04:55linuxstbmirak6: We're not decoding audio yet though...
11:06:11mirak6markun, we can get 20 fps out of 16/9 video. I can get 14 on a fullscreen video :-/
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11:07:12linuxstbSo we're probably on course for 10fps full-screen video with audio...
11:08:08jhMikeSIt WavPack rate list the official "can do all rates" standard I should use? WAV needs rounding even though technically it can be set to any integer frequency.
11:08:51linuxstbIMO WavPack should be limited to the same as our WAV encoder.
11:09:11jhMikeSlinuxstb: There's no technical limit on the WAV encoder
11:09:37preglownor is there on with wavpack
11:09:43amiconnFor wav we could technically support any integer rate (even w/o resampling on archos!), but many players have problems playing non-standard rates, so I wouldn't like that
11:10:07preglowit would be pointless anyway
11:10:18preglowwe shouldn't encourage people to go with anything but the standard rates
11:10:19jhMikeSpreglow: wputils lists 6000, 8000, 9600, 11025, 12000, 16000, 22050, 24000, 32000, 44100, 48000, 64000, 88200, 96000, 192000
11:10:39linuxstbNot 176400?
11:10:50jhMikeSpreglow: I'm not here to baby them, they should have choices! :)
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11:11:04preglowjhMikeS: wavpack is intended to pack wavs, so it should be able to represent all rates wav does
11:11:05jhMikeSno 176400...should it be added? ??
11:11:08amiconn(the pcm codec for the MAS only documents the standard rates, but non-standard rates could be done by pll reprogramming like we do for pitch shifting)
11:11:25Slasheriamiconn: fixed.. there was a copy/paste error in the plugin.h.
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11:11:46preglowjhMikeS: i'll came hit you over the head the day i find people posting 40khz wavs, then...
11:11:47linuxstbjhMikeS: It's a standard rate - used in DVD-Audio for example.
11:12:23jhMikeSpreglow: no 40kHz, just that list above, maybe sans 192000
11:13:49JdGordonwhat was the consensus with the slider int settings screen?
11:13:53jhMikeSActuall Coldfire can do 88200 as bout I enable those other oddball ones it can do? :)
11:14:11preglowjhMikeS: those are standard rates and a-ok by me
11:14:16*jhMikeS needs a good master list of sample rates
11:14:54jhMikeSpreglow: 176400, 192000? Those aren't off the deep end?
11:15:28amiconnImho we should only support the 9 really standard rates (maybe the 3 extra ones above 48kHz too, if technically possible, although I don't see much sense in having them available)
11:16:13preglowif it's available, it's good
11:16:17jhMikeS88200 is possible on cf...
11:16:20preglowas long as it's fairly standard
11:16:32preglowit's nice to utilise the hardware we have
11:17:19jhMikeSI thought I'd add 7350, 14700, 29400 and 58800 since CF can do it :)
11:18:40jhMikeSWhat can you hear with a 3000Hz bandwidth limit anyway? Probably how my grandpa heard things.
11:19:44jhMikeSpreglow: why no 45325Hz wav files? A problem for implementing something?
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11:20:27preglowjhMikeS: i don't see a point with them. it'll just make life harder for other people having to deal with those files
11:21:15jhMikeSB-] *evil laughter*
11:22:30jhMikeSamiconn: so your list just cuts out 6000 and 192000 from the list above really. sounds fine with me.
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11:24:41linuxstbI'm sure we'll need to add 192000 at some point, but I'm fine with just doing that when Rockbox starts to run on hardware that supports it.
11:24:46preglow6000 khz is somewhat pointless, yes...
11:24:51preglow6000hz, even
11:25:00jhMikeSI'll use a bitmask to rep those rates...not just lists...maybe no lists...ah!
11:26:20jhMikeS6000 want to record my microwave's emissions and a cook food with my dap.
11:27:01preglowyou have a microwave that cooks food with sound?
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11:31:42jhMikeSA pig roast looks pretty funny with the headphones on
11:38:31preglowfunny, but delicous
11:46:01jhMikeSpreglow: what does "smallest component" mean if not the smallest coefficient in "many fd transforms"?
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11:52:06preglowjhMikeS: a butterfly is really just the operation that combines smaller subtransforms into bigger transforms
11:52:13preglowjhMikeS: i don't know how it applies in the code you pasted
11:53:22preglowi think i remember a butterfly really is just a size 2 fft
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12:30:54KyVangelanybody here can help me with installing rockbox on my ipod 5g
12:31:21KyVangelI just wanted to know if I have done it correctly
12:31:57aliaskHave you tried it yet?
12:32:26KyVangelI am running hte program as we speak.. im just wordering how it runs my itunes songs
12:32:45aliaskWhat do you mean, "The program"... do you mean rockbox?
12:32:55KyVangelIve installed all my necessary applications through SLAX, which was a pain
12:33:04KyVangelbut i can install rockbox directly through windows..
12:33:13KyVangelyeahim running rockbox
12:33:41aliaskTo play the files that iTunes has hidden away on the harddrive you'll probably want to use Tagcache.
12:33:43KyVangelSLAX.. some linux program i had to run through my cd-drive to install psplinux
12:34:21aliaskTo get Tagcache up and running you'll need to initialise it, which takes a little while - it has to scan the harddrive etc.
12:34:54KyVangelwhat are the advantages of running rockbox than the actual apple os to run my music
12:35:01KyVangelare you using rockbox for your ipod or differnet mp3 player?
12:35:09aliaskI use an iriver
12:35:21aliaskBut rockbox is basically the same on all DAPs.
12:35:24KyVangelcool.. i have an iriver
12:35:31scorchealiask: slax is the live-cd distrobution of slackware
12:35:32KyVangellike a 1 gig to play music while i scuba dive
12:35:52aliaskscorche: Ah, thanks.
12:36:04aliaskKyVangel: You might be interested in this:
12:36:37KyVangelwill rockbox work with my fm transmitter?
12:36:45aliaskHum, sorta.
12:36:52scorcheif it plugs in to *only* the headphone port, yes
12:37:27aliaskIf it's an iTrip or something like that, unfortunately it requires a bit of a hack to get working.
12:38:57KyVangelwell i use a tape player type thing in 1 of my cars
12:39:09scorchethat will work as well
12:39:18KyVangelbecuase sound quality is better, and use my fm transmitter to ppower it 9v
12:39:24KyVangelbut i also use it in my other car that doesn't have a tape player
12:39:45KyVangelscorche, do you use rockbox for ipod?
12:39:55scorchenot as of yet
12:40:07KyVangeli just got into the entire "homebrew" ipod scene
12:40:13KyVangeli been homebrewing my psp for a couple weeks now
12:40:27aliaskDo you code at all?
12:40:46KyVangelnot that advanced.. i thought of taking some classes.. but im too busy right now
12:41:33aliaskMmm... just looking at these Wii menu navigation videos... I think I'm going to like this.
12:41:51KyVangelwhat are the Wii navigation videos?
12:42:03aliaskYou know the Wii?
12:42:13scorchealiask: did you see that one video of the (ign?) guy in germany actually playing with it?
12:42:25scorchegave a ton more depth and understanding to how it actually works
12:42:33scorchethe controls that is
12:42:35KyVangeloh the nintendo wii
12:42:38aliaskscorche: I've seen a few from IGN... which video are you talking about?
12:42:42KyVangelyeah im looking into getting one
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12:43:07scorchei mostlikely will at least for twilight princess alone
12:43:12*scorche <3 zelda
12:43:22KyVangeldidn't care much for gamecube, but hopefully wii will be a hit
12:43:30aliaskAnd I'll be getting it for Red Steel alone...
12:43:40scorcheyeah...mine has been gathing quite a bit of dust
12:43:44aliaskApparently the GC was a lot more fun that it looked.
12:43:53KyVangeli have one
12:44:14aliaskMy cousin still plays his GC pretty regularly.
12:44:19KyVangelit was cool that it was small, but i dont haul my xbox around too much
12:44:36aliaskI've never been a console gamer until I found my Xbox :D
12:45:04scorchei still have my nintendo =)
12:45:12KyVangelare the only files I really need in teh actual install?
12:45:30scorcheKyVangel: have you already installed the bootloader?
12:45:31KyVangelor are there a bunch of extra applications i should download outside of the installer
12:45:37aliaskYou need the .rockbox directory, the rockbox.ipod, and the bootloader.
12:45:54KyVangeli installed ipodlinux
12:46:03KyVangelits the blue screen that loads when i reset my ipod right?
12:46:18aliaskYeah, that sounds like the bootloader.
12:46:42scorcheall you have to do is extract to the root then (provided the ipod is fat32)
12:46:44KyVangelyeah i have those files.. i just want to know if there are other applications or themes worth downloading for rockbox
12:46:58scorcheyou can see the WPS galleries in the wiki
12:47:06aliaskThemes, probably, applications, not really.
12:47:16KyVangeli was just kidna confused.. because in SLAX it looked like I had three different partitions
12:47:20KyVangelbut in windows.. it only shows one
12:47:33aliaskThey're hidden partitions.
12:47:40KyVangelso the one in windows is that Fat32?
12:47:53aliaskFAT/FAT32... I think.
12:48:38KyVangelalright, cool
12:48:54KyVangelcool.. nes emulator for the ipod
12:51:17scorcheworth watching the whole thing....especially if you havent seen it in action before
12:51:19KyVangelis this the wii video
12:51:23*aliask watches
12:54:20KyVangeli wish my psp had 60gb
12:54:20aliaskMan this guy sucks...
12:54:24KyVangeloh man would that be awesome
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13:06:02KyVangelheh i cant get this tag cache thing working
13:06:12KyVangelwhere is the tag cache menu
13:06:13scorchewhat is the issue?
13:06:58Paul_The_NerdKyVangel: Have you tried searching for "tagcache" in the manual?
13:07:26KyVangelim in the manual, and im at the tag cache section
13:07:41KyVangelsays go to Tag Cache Menu, but I cant find hte menu
13:08:03Paul_The_NerdIt's under File View...
13:08:10scorchein general settings
13:08:19aliaskMenu -> General Settings -> File View -> Tag Cache
13:08:34KyVangelokay, thanks
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13:21:06JdGordonaliask: hey, have you added any more menus? just checking before i get stuck into them again
13:21:31aliaskNah, all the stuff I was going to add ended up needing the dynamic stuff.
13:21:42JdGordonah righto
13:21:53scorcheoh recode =/
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13:27:02preglowso, has anyone opened a new nano yet?
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13:35:18JdGordoncan anyone suggest a program to fix my mp3 track time? i have a heap of tracks that obviously wernt ripped properly,
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13:47:05Arathisis it possible turn light on for lets say 2 seconds when hold is activated without switching hold?
13:47:11JdGordonok this is wierd.... stop isnt doing anything in the wps now!
13:47:38JdGordongrrr!!! stupid bloody party mode!
13:47:52preglowArathis: hold is a hardware switch that works on a hardware level for many tgargets
13:48:13Arathispreglow: which means what?
13:49:03linuxstb_Which means if hold is on, Rockbox can't tell when a button is being pressed.
13:52:16amiconnOn iriver and X5 it would be possible to detect button presses when hold is on, both for main & remote, except the H300 non-lcd remote
13:52:20pondlifeAny brave volunteers want to try a new playback.c?
13:52:39pondlife needs testing, lots!
13:52:47amiconnBut currently buttons aren't read when hold is active, in order to save cpu time
13:53:57Arathislinuxstb: as far as I remember in the iriver firmware when hold was "on" and you pressed a button backlight goes on and an icon for "hold is active" showed up
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14:14:16lexso the new nano has a new processor?
14:14:24lexa samsung one? :o
14:14:29JdGordonamiconn: you busy?
14:15:30JdGordonactually.. is anyone not busy and can have a look @ a patch i did to write stuff to disk next time its accessed? its causing some pretty bad bugs and i cant see why
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14:21:37pondlifeSlasheri: around? If so, can you in particular look at/try FS #5992.
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14:23:03Slasheripondlife: i will do that soon :)
14:23:30pondlifeSeems ok here, but I don't use every feature...
14:24:28Slasheriwould you like that i commit it or do you want to commit it?
14:24:34Slasheriit seems to be ok
14:24:46pondlifeI think it should be tested some more
14:24:53pondlifeOtherwise I would have commited it!
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14:25:10pondlifeI'll give it a weekend to breathe a bit
14:25:43pondlifeIn particular there were several loops I removed ... waiting for playing or voice_is_playing...
14:25:55pondlifeThese were resulting in deadlocks so I removed them!
14:26:12pondlifeSeems happy to freewheel.
14:28:04Slasherisounds good :)
14:28:20Slasherii was thinking that it was the patch for playlist.c but that was for playback.c
14:28:30Slasheriat least the playlist.c patch seems to be clear, just commit it
14:28:43pondlifeThe voice buffer one?
14:28:56Slasherii will check and try that new patch in evening
14:29:23pondlifeThanks. It's a bit bigger - thought you'd checked it over quickly..!
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14:30:16webmindHCl, nope
14:30:17webmindit's not
14:30:27webmindHCl, and freenode complaining again, so cant send msg's
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14:30:36webmindHCl, tried ?
14:31:34JdGordonwhere do i go looking for what happens on whutdown?
14:34:04aliaskshutdown? ;)
14:34:11JdGordonye, typo
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14:38:19aliaskAt what level? Hardware level, or is this for your delayed write patch?
14:38:34JdGordonsoftware level... found it.. misc.c
14:38:50JdGordonyes and no... i seem to be able to hang on shutdown very easily..
14:39:00aliaskAh, I was perusing firmware/
14:39:12JdGordonsame.. thats why i couldnt find it :p
14:39:39JdGordonside note.. i tinhk i found how to save to the eeprom :D
14:42:02aliaskpondlife: I'll test that patch, but I'm probably not going to be using rockbox too heavily over the next few days.
14:44:24pondlifeI've actually found one problem already
14:44:38pondlifeSkip/Stop sometimes crashes
14:44:50aliaskHard crash?
14:44:55webguest79Can u guys please tell me how to install a patch, or where to copy it to?
14:45:15pondlifeJust won't playback anything (or any voice) until you restart
14:45:25aliaskAh ok, that's fine.
14:45:33pondlifeWill put a note on Flyspray and fix as soon as I have time. Probably Monday or Tuesday
14:46:06aliaskwebguest79: You have to recompile the source, so if you want a patch then you have to put in a bit of effort.
14:46:46webguest79even if i just down loaded a patch of rockbox like album art
14:47:05aliaskAny patch will be the same.
14:47:12webguest79ok how do i do it then
14:47:13aliaskUnless it was precompiled for you.
14:47:30webguest79i dont know
14:47:48aliaskI'm not going to be awake long enough to describe the process in depth, but read this:
14:48:01webguest79ok thanks
14:48:32bluebrotherwebguest79, theres a WorkingWithPatches wiki page.
14:48:59perplexity <−− this covers both building and patching..
14:49:09JdGordonI should be able to write tot he disk up to the shutdown_hw(); call in the shutdown routing right?
14:49:09bluebrother(not sure if this is the exact page title, in case not just search for it)
14:49:33aliaskGood catch perplexity.
14:49:59perplexityta.. I was a rank beginner myself not that long ago :)
14:50:21perplexity <−− this is the one to bookmark.. basically gods guide to rockbox
14:51:35aliaskCould someone send me a file that is known to work, I'm clueless as to why it isn't working...
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14:53:38JdGordonoh bloody hell!! stupid copy paste error just wasted 2 hours of bug hunting!
14:54:38JdGordon6 != 2 !!
14:55:20aliaskNot usually.
14:55:49JdGordonand because of that the damn settings writing function kept crashing
14:59:09perplexityDoes that mean you've got it working then JdGordon ?
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14:59:39JdGordonyes, no more crashing...
14:59:52perplexityexcellent news :)
15:00:58JdGordonbut now viewer.rock is crashing!
15:01:05JdGordonwhich is just odd because i havnt touched that
15:04:03pondlifeBagder: I suspect the build has hung.
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15:05:38aliaskpondlife: Could you send me a that you know to work?
15:05:46pondlifeWhere to?
15:05:56aliaskaliask on gmail
15:06:22aliaskJust testing the voicing features of rockbox, they're actually pretty neat.
15:06:35pondlifeVery neat, if you're blind
15:06:41pondlifeOr a driver
15:07:13pondlifeActually it's probably best if you run the voicebox script to generate files. Could you do that?
15:07:58pondlifeLet me know if you have problems and want me to mail over a copy of Microsoft Mary saying "Elvis Costello"
15:09:19pondlifeLooks like the build HAS hung
15:09:31pondlifeMy 2 commits have both done that now!
15:10:07pondlifeMaybe it's because I'm watching the build table and hitting refresh occasionally? Shouldn't matter....
15:10:19bluebrotherJdGordon, I just tried your int slider patch. It's nice, but a bit uncomfortable is the need to click to actually accept the value −− I'm used to right click (h120)
15:10:27pondlifeThanks Bagder (?)
15:10:50*Bagder bows
15:11:00bluebrotherhow about using up and down for increase / decrease like before? That way right could still accept and left cancel.
15:11:01JdGordonbluebrother: you cant exit the screen without clicking something...
15:11:19*pondlife thought Bagder had a robot waiting for hung builds, or a 15 minute timeout maybe
15:11:22JdGordonbluebrother: that just feels odd (imo)
15:11:27bluebrotherJdGordon, sure, it's only the way the buttons are mapped ;-)
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15:12:00pondlifeHmm, the slider could go up and down too?
15:12:15bluebrothernot to me at all. In wps you also increase the volume with up.
15:12:40JdGordonyes, but there isnt a big horizontal slider for the volume which can confuse you
15:12:58JdGordonyou can presss off to cancel and on to acceot
15:13:42bluebrotherI noticed that. But IMO left / right is used for navigating through the menus, so I don't see a big chance for confusion.
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15:14:17bluebrotheralso, in all other menus you choose with up / down, so using up / down for the int sliders would be more consistent imo.
15:14:27JdGordonrealy? If I saw a horizontal slider taking up 90% of the screen i would assume left/right changes it.. not up/down
15:14:56pondlifeSo make it a vertical slider
15:15:07JdGordonI dont think that would look as good...
15:15:11bluebrotherthe iriver OF uses a horizontal slider for volume and uses up / down to change that ...
15:15:12pondlifeFits in with the EQ too maybe
15:15:35JdGordonisnt here a rule about using the OF as a guide :D
15:15:48JdGordonthe e/q uses l/r also
15:15:54pondlife...apart from I just looked and the EQ is l/r
15:16:13bluebrotherhaving the sliders in the eq vertical would be also nicer imo. But that's a different topic.
15:16:34JdGordonnot really... they both use the same button context :)
15:16:41bluebrothermaking the slider vertical would be an alternative ...
15:17:08*bluebrother doesn't know the details of the button contexts
15:17:24*linuxstb_ repeats his old suggestion that left/right shouldn't be used to confirm/cancel in a settings screen...
15:17:29JdGordona verticle slider would look horrible on the lcd remotes... _BUT_ the button is different so a sepearet screen could be done..
15:18:04*JdGordon likes whoevers suggestion it was a day or 2 ago about bringing in a UI dictator
15:18:22*bluebrother likes the left / right in the menus as it allows pretty quick operations
15:18:50JdGordonit depends on the target.. but i agree
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15:19:08bluebrotherpressing select is pretty slower on h120 to operate than right.
15:19:47bbrokeJdGordon: what you mean with UI dictator? kind of usability?
15:19:55bluebrotherlinuxstb_, what would you suggest? left / right in the tree view and select / stop exclusively for select / cancel?
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15:20:15bbrokewell, i would be up for that (seriously!)
15:20:43linuxstb_IMHO, it's a compromise - consistency everywhere (but less convenient), or more convenient in most places, with exceptions...
15:20:51bluebrotherbbroke, how would someone qualify for that?
15:21:11*JdGordon thinks bbroke likes the idea of a power trip :D
15:21:14bbrokewell, check
15:21:24*bluebrother votes for consistency
15:21:32*JdGordon votes convienice
15:21:35bbrokeyepp, all that!
15:21:40JdGordontoo bad i cant spell it
15:21:45bbrokei know it's hard
15:21:57bbrokebut i might try −− and dictate! ;)
15:22:43aliaskOpenusability looks like it does what we want...
15:23:03bbrokealiask: yepp1
15:23:31JdGordonbbroke: i hate to say this.. but the usual answer unfortunatly applies... send a patch...
15:24:13bbrokeJdGordon: so no help from the devs with consistency etc.?
15:24:31JdGordonmy feeling is they prefer arguin over that sort of thing :D
15:24:53bbroke:) well the usability-guys could throw in another point of view
15:24:54linuxstb_bluebrother: The settings menus and settings screens are difficult - with JdGordon's recent changes to use lists, there doesn't look to be any difference between the settings screens themselves and the menus. So in that respect, LEFT/RIGHT makes sense. But some settings screens are different (colour picker, EQ, the slider version of the Volume)...
15:25:18bbrokeand properly decide things (probably)
15:25:37linuxstb_...and in those screens LEFT/RIGHT are more naturally used to change the slider values.
15:25:43aliaskAnyway, good luck with everything peoples - I'm out for the night
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15:25:58bluebrothera problem I see with the slider are blind people. How should they know if they need to change the value with up / down or left / right?
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15:26:52bluebrotherthus, if we use up / down to change the value it should be done on every setting.
15:27:36JdGordonbluebrother: this may sound bad.. but there are far more people who can see than cant using rockbox.. and its (imo) counter-intuitive having up/down for a horiz slider
15:27:56bluebrotherI don't have a color target, so I don't know the color picker.
15:28:27bluebrotherJdGordon, but there are at least some who need that consistency. And we simply can't ignore them.
15:28:55JdGordoni agree... but its more confusing for the rest doing that
15:28:59linuxstb_JdGordon: It's a compromise... I could live with up/down to change a horizontal slider. It wouldn't take a user very long to realise that that's how it works.
15:29:07bluebrotherin that case a vertical slider should be the way to go. IMO.
15:29:35bluebrotherlike in xmms ... up / down changes the volume, which is represented by a horizontal slider.
15:29:53JdGordonbut thats not the main thing on the screen.. so its not the same
15:29:59bluebrotheryou'll find quite some examples where up / down changes a horizontal slider.
15:30:52bluebrotherI still don't agree. In the menus the same keys should change the value regardless of the presentation of the value.
15:31:18JdGordonif you can draw up the screen with a verticle slider than doesnt look horrible ill code it (i tinhk it wouldnt look "as good" as a horiz slider)
15:31:40JdGordonso make the keys configurable...
15:31:47pondlifeIt would certainly have a lot more blank space...
15:31:49JdGordonbut then you get the pher never-ending argument
15:32:35bluebrotherI like the horizontal slider, it's just the keys. And I don't think it would be a problem to change a horizontal slider with up / down.
15:34:55JdGordonok how about this? seen as i know some people dont like the idea of the slider anyway.... a choice of using the current list (so up/down changes) or the slider (l/r changes)
15:35:08JdGordonthen everyone wins
15:35:12JdGordon... sort of
15:35:59*bluebrother still don't likes it.
15:36:52amiconnI have nothing against sliders, if several requirements are met:
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15:37:54amiconn(1) The actual numeric value should be shown. (2) It should be able to handle low lcd resolution and large fonts. (3) Voice must be working
15:38:09JdGordonall three are done
15:38:24amiconnAnd of course charcell lcd can't have sliders
15:38:25JdGordonminimum scrren size is 3 lines iirc
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15:38:35JdGordoncharcell uses the current code
15:38:52amiconnIf the slider is designed as a widget, it could be reused on the colour seletion screen
15:39:02pondlifeAnd the EQ?
15:39:11amiconnYes, EQ too
15:39:20linuxstb_amiconn: How do you feel about using up/down to change a horizontal slider?
15:39:21*theli_ua finally correctly mapped atari 2600 colors to color targets 16bpp colors....
15:39:31amiconnlinuxstb: Very counter-intuitive
15:39:39JdGordonwhats wrong with how its used on those screens? the only thing it doesnt do is voice there..
15:39:43pondlifeI'd prefer that than using left/right
15:39:54JdGordonwd theli_ua
15:40:02amiconnA horizontal slider should use left/rigt for adjustment
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15:40:17theli_uaJdGordon, what is 'wd' ? :/
15:40:23pondlifeI disaree - left/right to change settings would be counter-intuitive, especially for the blind
15:40:31JdGordontheli_ua: well done
15:40:35amiconnThe we need vertical sliders
15:40:43tucozamiconn: why?
15:40:43theli_uaJdGordon, oh.. thanks
15:41:04tucozYou enter/exit a menu with right/left
15:41:13tucozchange stuff with up/down
15:41:17amiconnleft/right is inconsistent with list settings, so it would be problematic for blind operation
15:41:41amiconnAnd up/down for a horizontal slider is counterintuitive
15:41:48tucozI would say it isn't
15:41:54amiconnSolution: Use vertical sliders
15:41:54dan_aI think "left changes a value in one screen, exits in another" is more counter intuitive than "up increases a value which is displayed by the slider moving right"
15:42:12tucozUp increases the value, down decreases the value. What is shown on screen is less relevant
15:42:31preglowtotally irrelevant, as a matter of fact...
15:43:01tucozexample: sw synths. You usually turn knobs with mouse up down
15:43:02*JdGordon wants to bet that everyone in the channel would get it wrong the first couple of times and every time they try changing the setting when half asleep
15:43:08JdGordon.. if up/down were sued
15:43:09amiconntucoz: The compare with the EQ and color selector screens: Up/down select the slider, left/rigt adjust values
15:43:33pondlifeWell, the EQ is the wrong way round anyway....
15:43:38JdGordonamiconn: thats slightly different.. because you have more than one slider, so you have to use up/down to change
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15:43:47pondlifeLook at any cheap stereo with a graphic EQ
15:43:52amiconnJdGordon: Not when using vertical sliders...
15:43:59tucozI would say that the EQ is more than a slider, and more of an app. You have to move up/down left/right there
15:44:12JdGordonamiconn: oh, so you want to change both those screens also?
15:44:38pondlifeBut up/down should change value (i.e. on one EQ band) and left/right selects a different setting (i.e different band)
15:44:51pondlifeSo it's all consistent if they all use vertical sliders.
15:44:55tucozthe slider is just an indicator (imo). Not an actual slider
15:45:00pondlifeBut the screen size is then an issue (and remote)
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15:45:23tucoza convenient way of showing what values you can select
15:45:42bluebrotherpondlife, I'd suggest using left / right changing between the paramters of the eq
15:46:03webguest00it is far more intuitive to have vertical aliders correspond to up increases and down decreases
15:46:14pondlifeThat's what I meant
15:46:20bluebrotherand select to (un)select the current highlighted channel for changing. When unselected the arrow keys could change between the sliders.
15:47:15pondlifeI'd just have it like any other setting. Use left to get back to the leftmost slider and one more left to cancel. Use right repeatedly to change
15:47:20bluebrotherthat way left / right also could be used for accept / cancel.
15:48:10pondlifeColour selector could be the same
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15:48:32tucozI think in fact that most programs use mouse-left+(mouse-wheel)up/down to increase values in a horisontal slider.
15:49:04JdGordonthats different again
15:49:25tucozNot if you see the slider as an indicator and not a "physical" slider
15:50:26JdGordonI see your point.. but I dont think that argument works here
15:50:49tucozAnd I think that is the way I look upon sliders (in this context). The issue imo is that you enter a menu/setting with right/left. Then all of a sudden you have to use something else to navigate
15:51:57tucozBut i guess you look upon the slider as an atomic, separated from the rest of the navigation. Then, left/right is fine.
15:53:52linuxstb_All DAPs should have wheels - the orientation of the slider doesn't matter then :)
15:54:07JdGordonhaha so true
15:54:12tucozhehe, yes
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15:54:24bluebrotherwhy not representing the volume as a wheel know then? ;-)
15:54:58JdGordoncoz drawing the wheel would be relativly slow?
15:55:42bluebrotherI guess more likely because it would look awful on small screens (and the value would be pretty hard to read)
15:56:01linuxstb_So is anyone against the idea of vertical sliders?
15:56:20JdGordonim not.. if it doesnt look terrible
15:56:25bluebrotherme not.
15:56:50tucozI do not care what the slider looks like, as long as you increase/decrease with up/down ;)
15:57:21bluebrotherhehe ... like the way I feel ;-)
15:57:44JdGordonwhy dont we just keep the list but draw the min/max values on the right (if there is room) and solve all this?
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15:58:33tucozI like a slider far better than the current list.
15:58:58bluebrotherI find a list for values like the volume strange. So I like the slider better.
15:59:12*amiconn strongly disagrees with linuxstb about the wheels
15:59:26bluebrotherbut as it's only a representation of the current value I don't care about its orientation.
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15:59:56bluebrotherbut that slider should behave like the list IMO.
16:00:18bluebrotherwhat is the "wrong" buttons with the current patch.
16:01:09JdGordonbluebrother: to fix the patch just change the get_action(CONTEXT....) call to CONTEXT_SETTINGS
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16:01:18JdGordonand it will use the correct buttons
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16:09:08JdGordonso thats where the argument stops?
16:09:45JdGordonnothing was decided tho... doesnt that annoy anyone else?
16:09:48pondlife"And then we'll have world peace."
16:10:03pondlifeDidn't we decide vertical sliders are the way?
16:10:28JdGordonbut they will look ugly!
16:10:36bluebrotheras far as I understood, yes.
16:10:51pondlifeMaybe, depends on the implementation!
16:10:55bbroke*cough* let someone who is not directly involved decide ;)
16:10:56linuxstb_I think we need to see what vertical sliders look like...
16:11:04amiconnJdGordon: Why would they look ugly?
16:11:20pondlifeThere are good and bad sliders, just like there are bad and good UI developers.
16:11:35JdGordonsomeone open up paint and give it a whirl :D
16:12:10*bluebrother starts the sim
16:15:06JdGordon.. I tihnk the horizontal one should stay on the sliders... screen is the wrong shape for verticle and the same buttons can be used easily so no big deal
16:16:09JdGordon... in other news... my code isnt working and im getting angry!
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16:18:48JdGordonits upside-down :D
16:18:54mirak6JdGordon do you use iram for the viewer ? maybe the idct in asm is usable
16:18:56JdGordoni guess that looks ok
16:19:16JdGordonmirak6: no idea.. thats not whats bugging me atm
16:19:25bluebrotherah, you're right. Swapped the end values.
16:19:42JdGordonif everyone likes tht ill code it..
16:20:04JdGordonexcept.. that wont scale so well to large fonts
16:20:21JdGordonwhat happens when the number of lines is less than 4?
16:20:36amiconnPlacing all values on the same side of the slider would save space
16:21:04JdGordonamiconn: wont that clutter it on small screens?
16:21:08bluebrotheryou'll need some space for that. But on small sizes why not omit the title? Or put it on one side?
16:21:11JdGordonor large fonts
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16:21:58linuxstb_JdGordon: What's the URL for your horizontal slider screendump?
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16:25:18webguest37A true trade off would be a diagonal slider −− like the volume display in the status bar. I mean it seriously
16:25:32JdGordonnot really...
16:25:38JdGordon.. or maybe...
16:25:52JdGordonhehe... that would be cool actually..
16:26:09JdGordonwebguest37 gets my vote!
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16:26:40JdGordonactually no... still the same problem with you assuming left is inc not up
16:27:13webguest37Up/Down with a horizontal slider is really strange a bit but a diagonal gives a hint that it can go up
16:27:14bluebrothermaybe ... but up would increase the height of that.
16:27:34webguest37bluebrother: exact my thought
16:28:34webguest37OTOH it's very unconventional for anything but volume :-(
16:28:43JdGordondiagnol would scale better for sure
16:30:04webguest37JdGordon: where would the current value be displayed? Right or left from the triangle?
16:30:30JdGordonunder it
16:30:35JdGordonor above it
16:30:43webguest37The triangle outline should be displayed all the time. It would be filled as the value increases
16:30:56amiconnBad idea, imho
16:31:55bluebrothermockup for recorder:
16:31:57jhMikeS If I may interject: I think sliders would be good for adjusting groups of related settings like brighness/contrast on a single display like the TV set does
16:32:02webguest37Actually I don't have anything against horizontal slider with up/down to change values. Just consider the 'slider' not as a slider (something you can actively move) but rather as an indicator.
16:32:03bluebrotherswapped again :o
16:32:18webguest37It's all a question of terminology! :-)
16:32:22*jhMikeS has dumb ideas!
16:32:26bluebrotherwebguest37, that's the way I think of a slider.
16:32:55bluebrotherLike the "slider" in your car that shows the amount of gas left ...
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16:33:24JdGordonyes, but if your action changes the display you expect it to correspond to the button you press
16:33:50JdGordonbluebrother: nice, but what about on larger fonts? we are trying to make all new screens use the user font
16:34:10webguest37He-he, a really blasting idea: display a horisontal slider, but in the moment the user presses up/down rotate the screen :-)))
16:34:36bluebrothershouldn't any problems with "small" user fonts ... and, what is the maximum size of a font you really want to use on a screen of that size?
16:35:22JdGordoni dont know... but in general.. it really should work for any screen size with any font size... although a minimum of say 3 lines is probably ok
16:35:57jhMikeSJdGordon: ?? Was that one for me...?? If I select an EQ band I don't get confused.
16:36:17JdGordonno, to bluebrother
16:36:51JdGordonand you dont get confused because l/r moves the slider l/r in the eq screen
16:37:02bluebrotherscreenshot of the current implementation with xtal-14:
16:37:04jhMikeSI think blind user will adjust to variation pretty quickly but I'm not sure how deaf users will cope.
16:37:24bluebrotherxtal-14 gives 3 lines for me (with soft button bar)
16:37:36*amiconn finds the eq screen rather confusing, and prefers the sub menus for adjusting the individual values
16:37:56JdGordonbluebrother: that doesnt work D:
16:38:00bluebrotherI find the eq screen strange to use
16:38:17bluebrotherso we need to make some assuptions to the maximum font size ;-)
16:38:19jhMikeSamiconn has that option... :) I like it together just like on my stereo.
16:38:20dan_aJust a thought - for some targets (iPod, Sansa when I finish the keymaps) up and down are controlled by a wheel, so using up to move the slider right *will* be intuitive.
16:38:25JdGordonbluebrother: oh, you mean thats what my screen looks like.. ok my bad
16:38:27amiconnI made xtal-14 because it allows for 4 lines on archos with the status bar enabled and button bar disabled
16:39:18webguest37Eq screen is a "2D" screen so an exception. All other settings are 1D
16:39:20JdGordondan_a: <linuxstb_> All DAPs should have wheels - the orientation of the slider doesn't matter then :)
16:39:48webguest37Hence l/r is ok for the eq screen
16:39:53amiconnjhMikeS: In fact I wouldn't need EQ at all, treble/bass would be enough. But the dac in the ipod mini doesn't have hardware treble/bass...
16:40:05amiconnOn all other targets I never use eq
16:40:23preglowi don't even use treble/bass
16:40:31webguest37amiconn: I don't either. A good DAP sounds good without eq
16:40:43preglowwebguest37: it depends more on the headphones than the dap
16:40:58amiconnpreglow: I need treble/bass on swcodec because there is no loudness correction
16:41:10webguest37preglow: sure. You also should have decent buds
16:41:26preglowamiconn: how does hwcodec do loudness?
16:41:28amiconnAt the low listening volumes I usually prefer, it would sound rather thin without treble/bass
16:41:31preglowan option you switch on yourself?
16:41:37jhMikeStreble/bass is kind of a 2-band eq, no? I set my eq with a slightly negative slope of +4 to -4 over the range.
16:41:49preglowamiconn: well, that shouldn't be impossible to implement on swcodec either
16:41:52amiconnThe MAS does have built-in adjustable loudness
16:42:00preglowjhMikeS: two "band" eq
16:42:11amiconn(except the one used in the player)
16:43:03preglowamiconn: except that we might clip, of course, which sucks
16:43:05*jhMikeS is being corrected for some egregious grammatical error? :P
16:43:09preglowthe advantage of doing it in hardware
16:43:53amiconnpreglow: I don't think loudness would clip. At high volume where clipping might occur, loudness doesn't do anything
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16:44:40preglowamiconn: audio is always full amplitude internally
16:44:44amiconnIt gradually boosts bass and (to a lesser degree) treble when volume is lowered
16:44:49preglowamiconn: the codec chip does the volume scaling
16:44:59jhMikeSpreglow: I think I get the joke now...har har :)
16:45:08bluebrotherrecorder mockup with xtal-14:
16:45:11amiconnpreglow: Yes, but then we can easily prescale
16:45:26preglowamiconn: true enough, i'll see if i can find specs for ordinary loudness filters
16:46:05linuxstb_bluebrother: Would the word "Volume" always fit there? (i.e. other integer settings and other languages...)
16:46:15preglowjhMikeS: it's just that i don't really think of them as bands as such. the filters are usually first order, which modify pretty much the entire spectrum to an even greater degree than usual eqs
16:46:36bluebrotherlinuxstb_, I guess this would depend on the word itself −− haven't looked for other settings yet
16:47:31linuxstb_bluebrother: I don't think we can assume it would always fit.
16:47:33bluebrotherStereo Width, MDB Strength etc. would be problematic.
16:48:18bluebrother(1) make the slider narrower, and keep the first line free for the title. 2nd line max value, 3rd actual and 4th the min value
16:48:25bluebrother(2) remove the title.
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16:49:27bluebrother(3) move the slider completely to the right and put the text on the left like in (1)
16:50:01preglowamiconn: seems like people just use the inverse of the a-weighting curve
16:51:05bluebrotherI think (1) would look best. On a screen as small as this the slider won't show too much information anyway.
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16:53:06preglowamiconn: of course, you could use the wav codec and record me some logarithmic filter sweeps played back through the loudness filter, and i could do an exact approximation of the archos filter :)
16:53:17preglowamiconn: s/filter/sine/
16:53:26preglowtoo much synth for me
16:53:44bluebrothermockup for (1)
16:54:41bluebrotherthis way it is also pretty similar to the h120 mockup I made
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16:55:30webguest37bluebrother: I don't like it. It clutters too much
16:56:25webguest37I'd rather had a horisontal slider
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16:57:08bluebrotherI still don't have any objections to a horizontal slider as long as it changes the same way the lists change ;-)
16:57:38*JdGordon has big objections to that :D
16:57:58bluebrotherbut I think this is the best way to make it look good on small screens without too much restrictions on the user font.
16:58:15bluebrotherhehe ;-)
16:58:39webguest37bluebrother: +1
16:59:16lowlightA vertical slider would be pretty easy to implement using the current list widget...have an option to draw the scrollbar as a slider and have the text callback only display max, min, & current values.
16:59:38lowlightof course there wouldn't be pretty formatting
16:59:59bluebrotherlowlight, seen my mockups? The recorder one looks ok to me for that small screen.
17:00:02JdGordonlowlight: interesting idea.. sure easy to code :)
17:00:43JdGordonway off topic.. can anyone see the problem here... if neither of the F_LANG_* bits are set the whole thing should be true ((item->flags&(F_LANG_REMOTE|F_LANG_HARDWARE)) == 0))
17:00:45bluebrothertoo bad I don't have time to code myself a bit ...
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17:02:58webguest37JdGordon: what type is it?
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17:03:37webguest37JdGordon: and what's the problem? You don't get true?
17:04:03JdGordonthat if doesnt work properly..
17:04:07lowlightHow about a dial or knob widget?. Would be intuitive for scroll wheels. :)
17:04:31JdGordonwebguest37: dw bout it.. im too tired
17:05:30bluebrotherlowlight, but it would get the same problems regarding screen size as the vertical slider
17:05:32webguest37JdGordon: then go make a break. We don't need burnt out devs
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17:06:18JdGordonits 1am here... i should be asleep :p
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17:06:44webguest37JdGordon: you have unbalanced parens
17:07:09webguest37JdGordon: good night
17:07:32*JdGordon not going anywhere yet... im doing lowlight's suggestionfirst
17:07:55lowlightbluebrother: yes...I there was some sarcasm there...I really don't see the point in a fancy widget...I don't think I've ever changed volume from the menu.
17:10:38bluebrotherI'm pretty sure some users would like fancy widgets, especially the ipod ones.
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17:12:02webguest37bluebrother: after having used the DAP for some time the users don't care about the widgets that much. IMHO. They want things be done quickly
17:12:58bluebrotherwebguest37, right, but IMO most (ipod) users will first scream for fancy stuff. Some days (weeks?) later they settle down and like the simplicity
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17:14:25JdGordonlowlight: hacking the list control is the only way to do your suggestion.. cant be done with the callback only
17:14:37webguest37bluebrother: a horiz. slider is nice enough IMHO
17:14:38JdGordon... because you dont know which row is being called for
17:14:50bluebrotherwebguest37, agreed.
17:15:44JdGordon.. here we go again :D
17:16:00webguest37bluebrother: so you now have to announce to everyone what the solution will look like. As a matter of fact :-)
17:16:37JdGordonactually... it can be done in the callback.. with some more hacks tho...
17:16:41webguest37JdGordon: no, it's already decided ;-)
17:16:45bluebrotherI don't think I'm up for the decision ;-)
17:17:01*JdGordon isnt comminting anything that uses up/down for a horiz slider!
17:17:14bluebrotherwhy not try with the vertical slider?
17:17:29JdGordoni am
17:17:31webguest37b/c it looks bad
17:17:47bluebrotherthe horizontal patch doesn't work on small screens with big fonts atm anyway.
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17:17:58bluebrotherI don't think it looks too bad.
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17:18:35webguest37A radical approach: do we need a slider? Why not just display min, mx, and cur values in a fancy way (well alligned etc)?
17:18:46bluebrotherthe vertical mockups have one advance imo: on larger targets (think of ipod video) there isn't like 3/4 of the screen blank
17:19:38bluebrother(but for that targets the slider maybe should be thicker)
17:19:52bluebrother(but that's a pretty small issue imo)
17:19:55webguest37What settings (besides volume) need a slider?
17:20:09amiconnpondlife: Your playlist resume fix can be simplified
17:20:14bluebrotherwith JdGordon's current patch all that have int values.
17:20:37pondlifeamiconn: yes?
17:20:40amiconnbuffer = audiobuf + talk_get_bufsize();
17:20:59amiconnbuflen = audiobufend - buffer;
17:21:04webguest37even if it's not continuous? I.e. also a setting with possible values 5, 10, 13?
17:21:45bluebrotherhaven't looked at that. But in the sound settings menu, most values are int. In General settings like scrolling speed.
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17:23:56webguest37b/c I'd accept a slider only for such settings. If a setting is int but discrete I'd prefer the old optio list
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17:24:17pondlifeamiconn: I'll update it in a while, I have a CPU boost tracker I've been using which may be useful to commit
17:24:17amiconnpondlife: The buffer calculation is just written differently (I prefer this type of pointer arithmetic), but the buflen calculation is definitely simplified
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17:24:59pondlifeI actually prefer the array option, rather than the pointer option. But one call to talk_get_bufsize() is a definite improvement
17:25:18*JdGordon calling it quits.. cyaz
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17:25:24pondlifeI was so into the actual memory layout I neglected to read what I had coded.
17:26:16amiconnI prefer the pointer arithmetic because it's more readable imho
17:26:31amiconnBut the effect is exactly the same
17:27:55pondlifeWould you like me to put CPU boost tracking history into CVS - it just lets you see what has currently set a boost flag (within reason).
17:28:27amiconnI don't know what this would be good for...
17:28:45pondlifeI used it to find a bug in playback.c
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17:30:53Slasheriamiconn: hmm, do you think it would be a good time to commit the scheduler patch now and see how people likes about it?
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17:32:38pondlifeSlasheri: does it involve many playback.c mods?
17:33:25Slasheripondlife: almost none, it shouldn't conflict with your patch in any way :)
17:33:50amiconnSlasheri: I didn't test yet.
17:33:58amiconnOnly tried compilation
17:34:16Slasheriamiconn: hmm, if you try the simulator it doesn't compile but i have fixed it now
17:34:29Slasheriwould you like to try it more before committing?
17:35:12amiconnI would like to try it on target, yes
17:35:23pondlifeSlasheri: try it with my playback patch. If it seems to work, commit them both and we can both blame each other for the problems
17:35:24Slasheriok, sounds good :)
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17:35:27amiconnJust from compilation I don't like the code size increase
17:35:39synichow do you know when the tag cache is done initializing?
17:35:48amiconn~ +680 bytes on archos just for the kernel... and that's without priorities
17:36:00Slasheripondlife :D
17:36:22Slasherisynic: disk spins down
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17:41:11billodolooking for a list of target platforms that indicates maturity of the RockBox port
17:42:34Slasheriamiconn: 120 bytes can be reduces to comment out two unnecessary panicf -calls (just useful for debug)
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17:46:55preglowSlasheri: have you done any kind of performance comparions with the old kernel?
17:47:41synicSlasheri: hrmm... not sure really when that happens either. Once it's created, do I need to do anything to read it?
17:49:48Slasherisynic: you might need to reboot if you get tagcache is not ready message
17:50:19Slasheripreglow: not any advance performance measurement yet.. some software needs to be written for that
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17:53:48preglowSlasheri: i'm just a bit critical to commit something with no proven benefit
17:53:56preglowbear in mind i don't know much about the priority stuff
17:55:42amiconnBattery runtime measurements would be one possible way
17:56:19preglowamiconn: i doubt the performance increases would be above the measurement uncertainty in that case
17:57:00preglowmeasuring cycles in sleeping would perhaps be better
17:57:04Slasheriamiconn: yep, true. that just would take a very long time and it would not be to use the dap while doing the test.. unless just measuring the current
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17:57:11preglowif we gain anything by this, it should be by allowing the cpu to sleep more
17:57:37Slasheripreglow: i think that should be the case
17:57:39amiconnpreglow: Either sleep more, or boost less. Hard to tell...
17:58:02preglowamiconn: both can be measured
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18:00:44preglowbetter yet, both can be measured with a high level of accuracy
18:03:25cdmackayhi all, first time here, so please forgive ignorance. I have a really silly question:
18:03:25cdmackayI have just got an iRiver h320, on which I've just put rockbox daily, and I'm delighted with it, so thanks to all
18:03:25cdmackayone question: re the "backlight". In mine, when the backlight is off, so is the LCD itself, i.e. I don't see anything at all,
18:03:25DBUGEnqueued KICK cdmackay
18:03:25cdmackaywhich is unlike every other LCD-based display I've seen (where LCD can be on with or without backlight)
18:03:26cdmackayIt does this in both iRiver firmware and Rockbox, so it's not the latter, but really a hardware question, so forgive OT
18:03:29cdmackayIs this normal? thanks much...
18:04:15markuncdmackay: it's normal
18:04:37cdmackayah! thanks very much indeed markun; that's a huge relief.
18:04:37cdmackayI said it was a silly question :)
18:05:03markunThe Toshiba Gigabeat is also unreadable without a backlight
18:05:23cdmackayit really threw me initially, especially with the default backlight timeout being so low
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18:18:01webguest95better than ipod 4g?
18:18:10Bagderyes I'd say
18:18:44webguest95k ipod was stolen and when i get insurance money i think id prefer that one since it natively supports flac
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18:48:00lowlightLooks like Samsung chip in the new nano:
18:48:31lowlightand no Wolfson chip
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18:53:04lowlightApple-branded chips. yuck.
18:53:35preglowgimme datasheets1!"!
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18:54:40linuxstb_I'm guessing that's a misprint in the eetimes article, and it's the SA58450X03 -
18:55:09linuxstb_A fun chip - an ARM940 plus a calmrisc16..
18:55:58linuxstb_I think a lot of the iriver players use it.
18:56:07preglowplus a calmrisc
18:56:21preglowwhat would you need a calmrisc core for when you've got an arm940 core?
18:56:53preglowlinuxstb_: more importantly: docs available?
18:57:01linuxstb_Not afaik :(
18:57:38linuxstb_I think markun said he contacted Samsung about them, not sure of the response (if any), but he didn't get any docs.
18:57:57preglowso much for hoping samsung would be nicer
18:59:42coobno pp chip then?
18:59:58preglowit seems like it's going to be a whole new port
19:00:01preglowno nothing like before
19:00:16coobmmm arm9 :)
19:00:23coobcan run real linux on that :D
19:01:06preglowthat would surely be advantageous
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19:01:29linuxstb_Unlesss google's translator is misleading me, it seems the chip was co-designed by iriver :)
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19:03:16linuxstb_Is the gigabeat an ARM940T core?
19:05:38preglowthink so
19:06:09lowlightARM920T (
19:07:04preglowright, 940 only has a protection unit
19:07:07preglownot an actual mmu
19:07:23linuxstb_So no real Linux then?
19:07:54preglowabsolutely no new cool instructions
19:11:38lowlightZune is supposed to be intro'd today too
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19:13:52*lowlight wonders how long before the first "Does Rockbox run on Zune" post
19:16:38Genre9mp3lowlight: Does Rockbox run on Zune? - there you go... :P
19:17:06mirak_linuxstb: lcd_yuv_blit is called to inside draw_frame, but is this function exist in assembly for h300 ?
19:18:03mirak_-to does/is
19:25:42Genre9mp3eeeeeeewwwww: "Zune-to-Zune sharing: you can share a full-length track with a friend, and they've got three times to listen to it over a three day period, after which they can flag the song for purchase on the Zune Marketplace"
19:29:14Genre9mp3Unsurprisingly Zune's screen resolution is the same as the Gigabeat
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19:36:21*amiconn gets a feeling that mirak is asking the same questions again and again
19:36:46amiconnDepends on what 'this function' refers to though
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19:41:40mirak_amiconn: I don't see how the asm code is linked to the c code, exepct when there is asm inline code of course. That's probably what troubles me
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19:53:45webguest52Hi all, I have a very easy question for you from someone who has very little clue! Any helpers?
19:55:19linuxstb_So what's the question?
19:55:27netmasta10btits best to just ask your question insetead of asking to ask
19:56:33lowlightmirak_: Look in the SOURCES for which files are compiled for the target
19:58:17webguest52OK, here goes, I've just installed Rockbox on my H140 and all is peachy. Just wanted a web link so that I can understand all the customizable features on it...
19:59:10mirak_lowlight: why don't you search the docs on the website ?
20:00:38webguest52i'm looking dude, can't find them! I am a REAL novice! Can barely send an email!
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20:01:54mirak_then learn internet first and here is not the right place
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20:02:12preglowanyone know if 1gig nanos differ from the other ones in hardware?
20:02:28mirak_webguest52: is of great use ;D
20:04:16linuxstb_preglow: Do you mean the existing ones or the new ones?
20:04:58preglowlinuxstb_: existing
20:05:15preglowlinuxstb_: god a mate with a 1 gig nano who says he doesn't get more than 3 hours out of it on rockbox
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20:07:42linuxstb_preglow: I've never read anything to suggest they are different. Has he tried the Apple firmware?
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20:24:30*linuxstb_ wonders who started calling the new ipods "5.5g"
20:27:08webguest52Lowlight - if your'e still there mate, thanks a lot, that was exactly what I wanted. Thanks very much! Have a goody...:)
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20:36:34webguest96does x5 or x5v the bootloader for x5l ?
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21:03:13Coldtoastdid anybody see this?
21:03:25Coldtoastdunno if it's useful at all
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21:21:30linuxstb_Bagder: Probably time to update the front page to say Rockbox only supports the 1st Generation Nano...
21:24:19lexwhat about the new 5g?
21:25:20lexis it the same, does it have a new lcd or something?
21:26:21linuxstb_We'll know when someone tries to install Rockbox or IPL on one.
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21:30:21lexgood night
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21:36:44pixelmaI cannot view them too
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21:37:20pixelmabtw... linuxstb; have you seen my comment on Sudoku saturday?
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21:38:08linuxstbAh, the fg/bg colours?
21:38:29pixelmayou did :)
21:38:46linuxstbAny suggested solutions?
21:38:59linuxstbShould we just use the default colours?
21:39:30linuxstbOr maybe keep the user's default background, but use a black foreground?
21:40:19pixelmathat should work - but might look odd too if someone uses a black background
21:42:00pixelmano actually only setting the foreground to black wouldn't be wise - the scratchpad has "empty" cells
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21:44:11pixelmaI mean as long as there are no numbers they are filled with the background color
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21:51:44synicusing the file view mode (not tag cache), how can I put the entire library on random?
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21:56:52linuxstbsynic: Go to the main menu, then Playlist Options, then Create Playlist. That will create a playlist called root.m3u which contains every song on your player. You then play that file.
21:58:21syniclinuxstb: did that, and it only got the files transferred via gtkpod
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22:03:31linuxstbsynic: That should pick up every music file Rockbox can play.
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22:04:03lamedhello everyone
22:04:14lamedlinuxstb: around?
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22:04:44lamedhey. are you the porter of pacbox?
22:05:43dionoeais DEBUGF( ) only used in the sim ? or can it be used on live targets ?
22:06:08linuxstbIt can be used on some live targets - but I think it needs a serial port hardware mod...
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22:07:13lamedhmmm, I'd been thinking of porting some game to RB, and I thought I might use the diffrence between the RB version and the real source so I'd see how screen buffer/sound/buttons are delt with.
22:07:52lamedthe PIE source code file is down
22:08:56linuxstbBut it's a C++ Windows application, so maybe not that useful...
22:09:06billodook, yet another loaded question...which target is more RockBox mature: iAudio-X5 or iRiver-H340
22:09:34dionoealinuxstb: so it's like #define DEBUGF on live targets ? (which is exactly what i'd need)
22:09:47lamedso you had to translate it all the way to RB C?
22:10:32linuxstbbillodo: The H340 port is older (so more mature in that way), but the X5 port shares a lot of the same code with it (they use very similar CPUs). I don't own either, but I would guess Rockbox works just as well on both.
22:11:50billodolinuxstb: ok thx, I'm just trying to decide what to replace my ipod-3G with, since RB not working well on it
22:14:04pixelmalamed: the horizontal scrolling you implemented should have a setting in a menu... in most of the builds for the Ondio it's set to on as default (and then there's no way to disable it unless you have a prepaired config-file which sets it to off) - "long right" calls the file context menu, playback menu...
22:14:12billodolinuxstb: although I'm encouraged by the iPod3G porting effort, it appears not to be moving along, and I have no time to work on it
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22:14:49preglowi don't think we have any more 3g coders right now
22:14:57linuxstbThere's only one developer, no documentation and a crappy CPU...
22:15:21billodoand nobody will code up the 2nd cpu, most likely
22:15:30preglowthat's more likely to happen
22:15:41preglowbut who knows
22:15:47preglowthe codecs will need hyper optimisations for 3g anyway
22:16:27billodohow much coding you think will need to be done for the 3G in person months
22:18:37lamedpixelma: I'm not quite sure I got you stight. iirc, the ondio supposed to be using LEFT/RIGHT+MENU shortcuts.
22:19:43mirak_coldfire sucks
22:20:05pixelmalamed: no... with "long right" you call the file context menu (Playlist, Copy, Cut, Open with...) and it's been this way as long as I can remember
22:20:06mirak_is the memory bus on the cpu or external ?
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22:21:41pixelmalamed: so you aren't able to do some of the most important things with horizontal scrolling enabled
22:21:45linuxstbbillodo: It's impossible to say, but it's not a small amount of work...
22:22:32billodolinuxstb: do you use one of these targets? which one?
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22:22:42mirak_linuxstb: are you doing some comits on mpegplayer ? I can send you the idct for coldfire
22:22:57linuxstbI can't test it...
22:23:13mirak_linuxstb: I did tested it
22:23:28mirak_it's just to have it on cvs
22:23:37mirak_so ther can improve it
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22:24:40lamedpixelma: I'm sorry but I don't have a development envirounment up and running, but I think you have misread my question. Ondio's should be using ON+RIGHT, not LONG RIGHT.
22:25:20pixelmafor horizontal scrolling?
22:25:49pixelmabut then it doesn't...
22:25:52lamedah, I know what happend even before of l00king at the code... it's the new keymaps tables.
22:26:03lamedlet me see
22:26:34lamedthat's wrong.
22:26:56mirak_linuxstb: I will try the memcpy aproach for clipping. loading the destination block in burst mode to iram, then processing it and putting it back to sdram
22:27:28pixelmalamed: so there is someone else to blame ;)
22:27:30mirak_otherwise I must do byte per bytes acces to sdram
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22:28:38lamedpixelma: would you agree LEFT/RIGHT+MENU would solve the problem?
22:30:10lameddamn : / I'm not used to those lookup tables and I can't sort it out so quickly
22:30:45pixelmalamed: I cannot think of anything else that would use that combo - so I think it's possible
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22:35:27webguest54so if I want to get music on my iPod, I can't do it through iTunes?
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22:36:28bluebrotherwebguest54, you can but you aren't required to.
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22:36:44webguest54oh here we go
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22:36:57lowlightRegarding the discussion earlier on vertical sliders for settings...
22:37:10webguest54if I want to put music on my rockbox iPod, I can't use iTunes?
22:37:15*bluebrother listens
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22:37:35lowlightI modified the list widget to display as a slider
22:37:54webguest54or will it recognize the files uploaded with iTunes?
22:37:58linuxstbwebguest54: Yes, you can use itunes if you want to. But itunes won't transfer all the types of audio files Rockbox supports - it doesn't believe your ipod can play them.
22:38:15webguest54oh. how do I find my music then?
22:38:33linuxstbUsing Rockbox's database feature - tagcache.
22:38:43linuxstbIt's documented in the manual.
22:39:29bluebrotherlowlight, looks awkward to me.
22:39:45bluebrotherwebguest54, see
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22:40:08linuxstblowlight: Interesting idea... But weird :)
22:40:22webguest54there's calendars, contacts, notes and photos, but no other directories
22:40:48bluebrothertoo much empty space.
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22:41:01synicanyone use the bloodrain theme? what is that icon at the very top right of the screen?
22:41:17bluebrotherimagine it on the photo with a small font :(
22:41:42linuxstbwebguest54: Your music is inside a hidden directory called iPod_Control. Whilst in the file browser, press and hold MENU until the quick-menu comes up, then press PLAY to change the "Show Files" option to "All"
22:43:04belzei got a quick question, is wma anywhere near to playback in rockbox?
22:43:26bluebrotherbelze, see the FS entry on that.
22:43:30linuxstbMaybe, maybe not. One person has been working on it for about 6 months, but hasn't shared any code recently.
22:44:02bluebrotherFS #4984
22:44:10synicok.. one more. If I have a 30GB ipod video, what should I set the batter type to in rockbox?
22:44:47linuxstbsynic: Ignore that option. It's only used to display an estimated remaining runtime, and that runtime estimate hasn't been calibrated for the ipods anyway.
22:45:02belzebluebrother: yeah, found it, thx
22:45:13synichrmm... I just ask because the apple firmware says the battery is full... rockbox doesn't seem to know what's going on.
22:45:24synicsays 80% full... and it doesn't seem to ever go above that
22:45:38linuxstbThat's not related to the capacity setting.
22:45:50belzei think the battery option only calculates the running time of the battery
22:46:01lowlightlinuxstb, bluebrother: I agree...but not too bad for only an extra 20 lines of code :)
22:46:20bluebrotherif this is only 20 lines ... indeed.
22:46:41lowlightLike I said earlier, I'm not really into pretty gui's for the settings
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22:47:06bluebrotheris that horizontal "slider" widget not able to get drawn vertical?
22:48:33lowlightwhat do you mean?
22:48:38bluebrotherthat's gui_scrollbar_draw, isn't it?
22:50:25bluebrotherah, found it.
22:52:02lamedwould someone please explain me the second and third row in the button table struct system?!
22:53:02billodoone can view jpg photos w/RB on X5 or H340, correct?
22:55:18*bluebrother is temped to play with that ...
22:57:44lamedpixelma: this is the first on my todo list, very likely to be done in the following weekend, thanks for spotting
22:59:00mirak_linuxstb: so you aren't interested ? :-/
23:00:31lowlighthmmm...the scrollbar only seems to fill left-to-right or top-to-bottom.
23:01:40linuxstbmirak_: Is it just the Coldfire idct you want to get committed?
23:02:09bluebrotherhmm, is there a way to invert the bar of gui_scrollbar_draw? It's upside down atm.
23:03:48linuxstbI guess you would need to introduce another value for the "orientation" parameter.
23:03:59mirak_linuxstb: that's the interesting part for others to see. The other changings are just arrays put to iram, anybody can do that. my idct just need a DCTblock of size 128 bytes instead of 64. it's in mpeg_dec struct.
23:04:03pixelmalamed: I couldn't avoid it ;) - and thanks
23:04:36lowlightbluebrother: that's what I just said...gui_scrollbar_draw needs to be modified...maybe add VERTICAL_UP/DOWN orientation
23:06:52linuxstbmirak_: If you make a patch, I'll have a look.
23:08:06mirak_ok then it will be a a patch for all the plugin
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23:09:31linuxstbmirak_: What do you mean?
23:09:41lamedpixelma: it's ""fixed"" for now
23:09:57mirak_linuxstb: a patch for the array I put in iram
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23:10:05mirak_in vlc.h
23:10:54webguest96are there any security addons to lock people out of files?
23:11:16webguest96like if the player is stolen etc
23:11:29lamedif you through your player on the floor for a couple of times you'
23:11:43lamedll get a totall hardrive lock
23:12:02***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:12:05lamed:P but that's actually a very nice idea
23:12:25bluebrotherignoring the fact that the bar is inverted I have something pretty similar to my mockup of earlier :)
23:12:49pixelmalamed: you commented it out for now - maybe changing the keymap code is something for jdgordon...
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23:14:15lamedas i said, i'll prob do it 2morw
23:15:04pixelmagreat ;)
23:15:12mirak_on coldfire I need to acces a large part of sdram in bytes only. Can it be faster to copy the sdram block to iram, then do byte acces to that iram ?
23:16:32linuxstbmirak_: I would prefer it if your patch didn't touch IRAM - we need to be careful not to slow down the ipods, so it would need more testing.
23:18:19mirak_linuxstb: and for the decoder struct ?
23:18:43mirak_this one can be in between ifdef cpu_coldfire
23:21:00linuxstbIs it worth the 17KB of IRAM? What improvement does it give?
23:21:19 Part lowlight
23:23:07mirak_linuxstb: I am sure it's worth to have most of the arrays in iram exept the big one of 16k
23:23:40mirak_having DCTblock to iram alone is a huge boost.
23:24:07mirak_unfortunaly profiling crashes mpegplayer is now asking for donations
23:24:26Bagderdue to their legal issue
23:24:34Bagderall in german on their site
23:24:56linuxstbWhat are their legal issues?
23:25:01Bagderthe legal thing there being a trademark on the Rockbox name
23:25:11Bagderor almost Rockbox at least
23:25:40linuxstbCan you say who?
23:26:08BagderI think the company is named "Rock Box" or possibly "Rock-Box"
23:26:47linuxstbAre they an audio company?
23:27:15bluebrotheroh. That slider patch didn't remain the status bar setting.
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23:27:56BagderI think they're on
23:27:58*linuxstb counts 8 out of the top 10 "Rockbox" hits on google are for us...
23:28:06Bagderand they own
23:28:34Bagderbut yeah, it involves music-related stuff
23:29:22linuxstbAny progress on our own legal issue?
23:29:43BagderI haven't got any recent update, no
23:31:38bluebrotherthose legal guys are always strange ... the letter tells offers a software named "Rock Box".
23:32:07BagderI love it how they pay attention to details... not
23:32:37linuxstbI'm sure they would be happy to stop offering "Rock Box"
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23:33:53Bagderbluebrother: does the letter just tell them to stop distributing the software?
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23:34:45bluebrothershould I try to translate it for you?
23:35:12Bagdernah, I wanted to grasp the core meaning
23:36:08Bagder"I just"
23:36:20Bagderhey LinusN, feeling better now?
23:36:43LinusNa little
23:37:56peturtoo much beer?
23:38:21bluebrotherRock-Box has been registered for hard- and software (including others). They discovered is used and a software called "Rock Box" is offered for download. They are asking why the guys of rockbox-lounge think they are allowed to use those trademarks.
23:38:27LinusNpetur: hehe, probably too little
23:38:55LinusNbluebrother: what a funny question
23:38:55bluebrotherthat's roughly what the first two pages are saying.
23:39:18bluebrotherLinusN, indeed. Those legal guys have a funny language.
23:39:51bluebrotherin germany there is a law guy who writes a blog. Quite funny and interesting.
23:40:00LinusNi'd say that they have a funny perspective of reality in general
23:40:23BagderI wonder how the law is interpreted for things like fan sites etc when you just write about something someone else does or use
23:40:33peturthey registered Rock-Box for about any type of hardware, Rock Box only for clothing and shoes
23:41:04bluebrotherin germany some law guys have discovered they could make quite a lot of money with trademark issues.
23:41:06LinusNstill, rockbox-lounge is little more than a fan site
23:41:12preglowhow is the practice with trademarks, btw? can you trademark a name someone is already using?
23:41:17BagderLinusN: it is?
23:41:29LinusNin that perspective
23:41:32peturrofl... they even registered irt for cartoons..
23:41:37Bagderpreglow: not supposedly I think
23:41:41LinusNsure, they may offer patched builds
23:41:45lostlogicooh, pondlife reworking voice!
23:41:55preglowooh, lostlogic resurfacing!
23:42:01*Bagder jumps, a living lostlogic!
23:42:52lostlogicI have 1 more weekend left in my 'summer of real life' and I do intend to return to the fray after that :)
23:42:56lostlogichey guys
23:43:08preglowso, you've still got summer
23:43:11preglowlucky bastards
23:43:13*amiconn returns
23:43:29lostlogicahh and thank god he undid slasheri's re-breaking of some stuff I'd fixed. I knew I liked pondlife.
23:43:48lostlogicpreglow: haha, highs of 70f still, maybe even 80 this weekend
23:44:18*amiconn fires up the calculator :/
23:44:51amiconnHmm, about the same temperatures as we have here
23:45:34lostlogicyeah, I considered doing the calculatoin for you europeans, but I was lazy.
23:45:48amiconn~21..26 C
23:45:55bluebrotherhmm, they have "rockbox optimized" ...
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23:46:12bluebrotherI thought that was changed to "experimental"
23:46:24BagderI thought so too
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23:46:43Bagderbut anyway, I can see how they distributing software called Rockbox is an issue
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23:47:22Bagderbut then, I don't know law
23:47:40peturthe first page is interesting as they refer to so they are adressing the wrong person there
23:49:37preglowand yeah
23:50:00preglowdo german trademarks apply in sweden? :>
23:50:07mirak_linuxstb: I did the patch. logins are not same than wiki on patch tracker ?
23:51:09Bagderbut there are "common" trademarks for the whole EU
23:51:15bluebrotherthe point is that those "Abmahnungen" are expensive in germany. Nice way for some law guys to make money. And usually the suspected persons can't afford to answer back :(
23:51:28LinusNwhere can i read that letter?
23:51:37BagderLinusN: there's a link on their site
23:51:44Bagderin that forum thread
23:51:57petura zip with the scanned pages
23:52:01bluebrotherit's potographed letter pages in german.
23:52:25LandusHaving a bit of a problem. Anyone feel like helping?
23:52:35lamed−−> there's a new cgiirc with major bugfixes −−?
23:52:42bluebrotherLandus, depends on the problem ;-)
23:52:56LandusThat's a similar problem to what I'm having.
23:53:05LandusInstead of albums showing up twice, it's tracks.
23:53:19LandusI posted a comment to that and included a screenshot in it.
23:53:24amiconnLinusN, Bagder: Speaking about cgiirc - the new version seems to have problems with Firefox (again)
23:53:25LandusThe thing is, I'm not using an iPod.
23:53:43amiconnLogging in takes _ages_, and the connection drops often
23:54:05LandusAnd I dunno know why the same track is being scanned twice, sort to speak.
23:54:08lamedamiconn: he claims to fix firefox issues in the changelog...
23:54:15bluebrotherLandus, that bug pretty surely applies to all platforms.
23:54:30lamedanyways good night everyone. cya soon :)
23:54:32LandusBut the tracker says it's specific to iPod 5G.
23:54:39LandusJust clarifying that.
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23:54:57LandusAnyway, that's besides the point. Does anyone know why that's happening?
23:56:06LandusHeh. Thanks.
23:56:25bluebrotherok, changed it to all targets. But this should be clear from the comments already
23:56:35bluebrotheras tagcache is present on all targets.
23:57:04LandusIf I had made the initial entry, I would've put down all targets.
23:57:11LandusAnyway, does anyone know why this happens?
23:57:12mirak_linuxstb: I added the patch to the tracker but did a bad move and it's in the bug category
23:57:18LandusThere doesn't seem to be a pattern to this, either.
23:57:40mirak_can I edit a task in the tracker ?
23:58:17linuxstbmirak_: I've just edited it.
23:58:18LandusI've got several albums by John Williams, but only the tracks from the Star Wars soundtrack are displayed twice when looking at the ID3 database.
23:58:38mirak_linuxstb: thanks
23:58:50LandusBut the tracks I have for Jurrasic Park and Memoirs of a Geisha aren't displayed twice.

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