| 00:00:05 | quiksilver | neways i gtg |
| 00:00:07 | linuxstb | quiksilver: The H10 should have the best video support in Rockbox - due to the tiny LCD... |
| 00:00:14 | dionoea | crap, i can't find a file that doesn't have a valid mpeg2 framerate |
| 00:00:14 | quiksilver | thanks alot again... |
| 00:00:18 | dionoea | i'll have to make one up |
| 00:00:30 | SeymourGlass | whats the use for video feature if your screen can't compete with the 1989. gameboy screen |
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| 00:00:45 | quiksilver | linuxstb: thats very good to know more props to my h10 !!! |
| 00:00:45 | dionoea | 1989 gameboy was greyscale :) |
| 00:00:50 | tucoz | hmm. looks like the new nanos might have a cover made of plastic and not aluminium in this picture. http://images.appleinsider.com/ipod-second-gen-shot27.jpg |
| 00:00:51 | SeymourGlass | yeah, and it rocked |
| 00:00:52 | SeymourGlass | :) |
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| 00:00:57 | dionoea | i agree :) |
| 00:00:59 | SeymourGlass | dionoea: I still have one |
| 00:01:02 | SeymourGlass | just the small version |
| 00:01:14 | SeymourGlass | can't find the Zelda cartridge |
| 00:01:17 | SeymourGlass | best game ever |
| 00:01:39 | tucoz | But this looks like aluminium http://images.appleinsider.com/ipod-second-gen-shot28.jpg |
| 00:02:56 | SeymourGlass | handmade by Jobs himself |
| 00:03:33 | tucoz | a lot prettier than the old nanos at least |
| 00:03:48 | SeymourGlass | I believe they could use this as marketing strategy - like Steve Jobs peed on this device or smth |
| 00:04:49 | preglow | anyone opened a new nano yet? |
| 00:05:05 | tucoz | "Durable anodized aluminum" from the sales pitch, set a stop to my questions |
| 00:05:24 | Bagder | iriver S10, 17.5gram 2GB flash player => http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.3618.1 |
| 00:05:34 | Bagder | including 1.15" lcd |
| 00:05:36 | SeymourGlass | tucoz: is it as scratchable as always? |
| 00:05:55 | tucoz | no idea. I would expect it to be as scratchable as the minis |
| 00:06:13 | dionoea | i'll update the VLC command line to disable the framerate check |
| 00:07:11 | Bagder | iriver indeed likes the number 10 in model names |
| 00:07:52 | SeymourGlass | hehe |
| 00:07:57 | tucoz | and apple indeed likes the letter i in model names |
| 00:08:02 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 00:08:13 | SeymourGlass | its better than the XT ULTRA PRO or that kind of stuff |
| 00:08:13 | Bagder | perhaps their keyboards have the key stuck |
| 00:08:22 | linuxstb | But not at the end of the word aluminium... |
| 00:08:48 | SeymourGlass | iDurable iAnodized iAluminium |
| 00:09:15 | tucoz | Came to think of it. I wonder if there is a tool called iBackup that lets you handle itunes and iphoto backups. |
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| 00:09:16 | Bagder | oh, "Greenphone SDKs can be purchased today by contacting Trolltech" |
| 00:09:53 | linuxstb | Greenphone? |
| 00:10:08 | * | linuxstb googles |
| 00:10:09 | Bagder | trolltech's qtopia-based phone |
| 00:10:27 | tucoz | linuxstb: hehe. didn´t notice that. guess their ´i´ key got worned out. |
| 00:11:03 | SeymourGlass | "i" is not so bad |
| 00:11:06 | SeymourGlass | it could be schmi |
| 00:11:15 | tucoz | schmiPod |
| 00:11:16 | SeymourGlass | then it would be really bad |
| 00:11:18 | SeymourGlass | lol |
| 00:11:22 | tucoz | schmiMac |
| 00:11:24 | SeymourGlass | schmiPod :))) |
| 00:15:16 | * | Bagder mailed trolltech |
| 00:15:29 | Bagder | gimme gimme ;) |
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| 00:18:37 | tucoz | is there some kind of descramble tool for the ipod firmware? in that case, couldn´t one run strings on that to see if they mention PP5024 for instance? |
| 00:18:56 | tucoz | on the new firmware that is |
| 00:19:43 | SeymourGlass | is that PP5024 5x more powerful than current CPU? |
| 00:19:51 | Bagder | no |
| 00:20:56 | tucoz | But it has more stuff integrated than the PP5022 for instance, i think |
| 00:21:07 | SeymourGlass | the 5g has PP5022? |
| 00:23:02 | tucoz | SeymourGlass: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation |
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| 00:24:06 | preglow | 5021, i think |
| 00:24:25 | SeymourGlass | hmm |
| 00:24:44 | SeymourGlass | it can do pretty amazing stuff for its 75mhz frequency |
| 00:27:18 | tucoz | It has a dedicated video decoding chip |
| 00:29:02 | mirak_ | "move.w #0,(12,%a0)\n\t" <−−−− this doesn't work on coldfire 5249 |
| 00:29:04 | mirak_ | :( |
| 00:29:30 | mirak_ | I can't add immediate with displacement |
| 00:29:45 | SeymourGlass | ok, me goes to sleep and watch Breakfast at Tiffany's |
| 00:30:25 | tucoz | heh, you can buy each and every ipod part from this store. http://www.ifixit.com/ |
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| 00:34:14 | webguest24 | amiconn: on the Archos player and studio jukebox's, is the SNR low, i.e. is there white noise evident with music stopped ? |
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| 00:36:26 | webguest24 | Bagder: on the Archos player and studio jukebox's, is the SNR low, i.e. is there white noise evident with music stopped ? |
| 00:38:26 | webguest24 | anyone with Archos jukebox's ? |
| 00:39:05 | tucoz | That is not that common nowadays |
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| 00:40:20 | webguest24 | hmm, was hoping that some of the "old timers" would be around to give Archos jukebox info |
| 00:41:18 | tucoz | Maybe they are sleeping |
| 00:43:38 | tucoz | The "old timers" usually hang around here during the day/evening (CET) |
| 00:45:04 | webguest24 | yep, I'll catch them tomorrow, thanks |
| 00:45:27 | tucoz | or use the forums or mailing list |
| 00:46:24 | tucoz | My impression is that the mailing list have some archos using subscribers |
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| 00:49:50 | X-trem | can i ask a question ? |
| 00:49:55 | belze | sure |
| 00:50:39 | pixelma | tucoz: the remotes' vector drawings are almost done... |
| 00:50:55 | X-trem | i need to know how i can apply patches like doomdehacked.diff |
| 00:51:06 | tucoz | pixelma: nice :) |
| 00:51:33 | tucoz | X-trem: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
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| 00:52:10 | X-trem | tucoz is there any simplified documentation a normal user can understand ? |
| 00:52:12 | tucoz | X-trem: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 00:53:19 | X-trem | my own reason for all of this is to patch rockdoom, cuz i tried to run halflife.wad and it displayed "This wad does not follow doom standard graphics" |
| 00:53:48 | amiconn | webguest24: The SNR of the archoses is significantly better than that of many newer players |
| 00:53:53 | tucoz | X-trem: look at this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 00:54:58 | X-trem | can you just please tell me if i patched my rockdoom, will I be able to play half life addon |
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| 00:55:05 | webguest24 | I have a H140, and they are better than that, amazing |
| 00:55:30 | belze | well, the snr of the h1xx are not that great |
| 00:55:35 | tucoz | X-trem: sorry. i have no idea about that |
| 00:55:35 | belze | so its not hard to be better ;) |
| 00:55:57 | almondjoy | wow, haven't used mirc since my quake 1 days.... :) |
| 00:56:21 | almondjoy | can i ask questions here relating to problems installing rockbox? |
| 00:56:34 | belze | sure |
| 00:56:50 | almondjoy | thanks |
| 00:56:53 | almondjoy | i have an ipod mini 2g |
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| 00:57:19 | almondjoy | bootloader installation went fine...unplugged it and got the -1 error, and it defaulted back to apple's layout |
| 00:57:24 | [xt] | hello rockbox people |
| 00:57:45 | tucoz | almondjoy. you have to unzip the rockbox.zip file to the root of your mini |
| 00:57:49 | [xt] | is there some sort of interactive rockbox emulator so i can test the thing before i wipe out my ipod ? |
| 00:57:52 | belze | almondjoy: have you extracted the zip-fiel into the root-folder of your player? |
| 00:57:53 | webguest24 | thanks |
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| 00:58:06 | almondjoy | but when i reconnected it to install the rockbox software, my ipod doesn't appear under My Computer |
| 00:58:29 | tucoz | I think you have to enter disk mode somehow |
| 00:58:40 | belze | you have to hold a button |
| 00:58:43 | belze | i think its menu |
| 00:58:53 | almondjoy | i had it in disk mode - the ipod would appear under my computer every time i connected it prior to all of this |
| 00:59:16 | almondjoy | ah - you mean force it into disk mode while it's rebooting or something? |
| 00:59:51 | barrywardell | almondjoy: i think select + play forces it into disk mode |
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| 01:00:12 | tucoz | try, i do not own an ipod so i wouldn´t know. But the -1 error is because you do not have the rockbox files unzipped to your player |
| 01:01:16 | amiconn | mirak5: "move.w #0,(12,%a0)\n\t" |
| 01:01:28 | almondjoy | barrywardell: let me try that...hang on |
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| 01:01:38 | amiconn | Of course that won't work on coldfire. It would require too many extension words. |
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| 01:02:26 | amiconn | But why difficult when it's actually simple: Just use clr.w (12,%a0) |
| 01:02:40 | [xt] | what the heck's with all these .zips and windows installers ? what kind of open source project is this anyway ? |
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| 01:02:58 | tucoz | pixelma: sorry you didnt get my messages |
| 01:03:02 | belze | [xt]: there is only one zip-file for every plattform |
| 01:03:06 | belze | why is so hard about that? |
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| 01:03:13 | belze | *what |
| 01:03:17 | almondjoy | barrywardell: should i soft-reset the ipod, then hold select+play while its rebooting? just holding them while its on doesnt seem to do anything, the screen just goes dark until i let go |
| 01:03:43 | tucoz | pixelma: i am on the webclient and can not send priv. messages |
| 01:03:48 | barrywardell | hold select+menu until it resets and you see the apple logo, then hold select + play |
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| 01:04:05 | pixelma | tucoz: you can register in the webclient too :) |
| 01:04:15 | almondjoy | AH-HAH |
| 01:04:22 | almondjoy | i think... |
| 01:04:24 | almondjoy | hold |
| 01:04:29 | almondjoy | YES |
| 01:04:33 | amiconn | identify of course |
| 01:04:34 | almondjoy | worked...awesome, thanks. |
| 01:04:42 | tucoz | pixelma: ok. but i will log off shortly. But my response was WOW :) |
| 01:05:19 | almondjoy | another question: will RockBox read the ID3 tags? |
| 01:05:41 | almondjoy | or do I have to erase everything and start over with directory trees as I have them on my PC? |
| 01:06:01 | tucoz | but i have only seen the remotes in scans and photo. but my impression is that they look truly great |
| 01:06:17 | barrywardell | almondjoy: tagcache uses the ID3 tags. you can read about it in the manual |
| 01:06:19 | tucoz | (your drawings that is) |
| 01:06:25 | pixelma | tucoz: hehe... as I said: it still needs to be checked |
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| 01:07:12 | almondjoy | ok, thank you. |
| 01:08:03 | pixelma | tucoz: ok then I'll ask another one / search the net |
| 01:09:35 | tucoz | pixelma: yes, i think you would have to ask someone with the h300 remotes. I think LinusN has both |
| 01:11:22 | almondjoy | ummmm |
| 01:11:26 | almondjoy | oh boy. |
| 01:11:28 | pixelma | Genre9mp3 did the scans but he isn't here, too... |
| 01:11:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:40 | tucoz | ah, that is right |
| 01:12:00 | almondjoy | barrywardell: i loaded the rockbox software, ejected the ipod from itunes, and it froze with the checkmark and "OK to Disconnect" |
| 01:12:06 | almondjoy | so i rebooted with select+menu |
| 01:12:41 | barrywardell | yeah, i think you have to manually reboot from disk mode |
| 01:12:46 | barrywardell | so that's ok |
| 01:13:02 | almondjoy | and now its stuck in a cycle: blank screen, apple logo, rockbox initialization fine print, then the rockbox logo and some other logo briefly appear |
| 01:13:05 | almondjoy | and it resets |
| 01:13:27 | tucoz | did you install the correct rockbox? |
| 01:13:42 | almondjoy | yeah, ipod mini 2g |
| 01:13:46 | tucoz | ok |
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| 01:14:06 | almondjoy | rockbox-ipodmini2g-20060913.zip |
| 01:14:10 | linuxstb_ | almondjoy: Do you still have the USB cable plugged in? |
| 01:14:14 | almondjoy | unzipped it straight into the root directory |
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| 01:14:25 | almondjoy | i just plugged it back in and it stopped the cycle |
| 01:14:33 | almondjoy | now it has "Do not disconnect" |
| 01:14:47 | almondjoy | and it shows up in my computer |
| 01:15:48 | barrywardell | try ejecting and disconnecting the usb cable now |
| 01:16:25 | almondjoy | ok... |
| 01:16:36 | almondjoy | disconnected, and its frozen at the "OK to disconnect" screen again |
| 01:16:46 | almondjoy | doesnt respond to buttons |
| 01:17:11 | almondjoy | when i plug it back in, its fine... |
| 01:18:53 | almondjoy | any ideas? |
| 01:21:24 | maddog012 | http://www.petebevin.com/archives/vim.gif <−−- the new VI ! |
| 01:22:50 | tucoz | hehe |
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| 01:23:57 | Kaze | hello everyone |
| 01:25:02 | Kaze | alrighty so is there anyone here? |
| 01:25:09 | almondjoy | hi |
| 01:25:15 | Kaze | hi |
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| 01:26:31 | Kaze | so Im tryin to find some info on Tetrox is there a version for it to go onto the iRiver H10 5gb and if so where can I find it |
| 01:27:02 | gopp | wow it's been just over 24 hours since Apple unveiled the 2nd Generation iPod nano, and the first unboxing shots are starting to trickle in. AppleInsider captured some super close-up images of a green model |
| 01:27:08 | gopp | wow no more carton box |
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| 01:27:14 | thegeek | the new nano looks like shit |
| 01:27:18 | thegeek | I hate the new look |
| 01:27:28 | thegeek | smooth edges look like crap |
| 01:27:29 | gopp | wow the ipod nano comes it a clear hard plastic |
| 01:27:33 | gopp | box |
| 01:27:37 | gopp | I love it |
| 01:27:48 | gopp | I like the new nano, I think it looks cute |
| 01:27:52 | tucoz | Kaze: I do not think Tetrox is adopted to the 128x128x16 resolution yet |
| 01:27:54 | thegeek | exactly |
| 01:27:56 | thegeek | cute |
| 01:27:57 | thegeek | fucking hate it |
| 01:28:06 | thegeek | the old nano look was much better |
| 01:28:09 | gopp | they even exposed some tiny flaws in the metal −− and sat it down for a powwow next to a 1G nano and a podgy 4G iPod. A Flickr user named Justin Williams also photographed the unboxing of his latest splurge, this time in the shadow of his monolithic Cinema Display |
| 01:28:10 | thegeek | atleast it was classy |
| 01:28:23 | belze | i dont like the ipods ;P |
| 01:28:23 | gopp | thegeek I love it, it looks like my mini |
| 01:28:25 | belze | all of them |
| 01:28:32 | thegeek | I hate the mini too |
| 01:28:37 | Kaze | tucoz ah okay ya I looked and looked but no luck what about bubbles or that jewl game? |
| 01:29:03 | Galois | is there any hope for rockbox on the new nanos? |
| 01:29:35 | tucoz | The H10 port is moving forward in a fast pace, so I guess the plugins will be adopted soon |
| 01:29:53 | Kaze | k cool thanks, ya Im still green when it comes to this side of tech |
| 01:29:54 | tucoz | and even sooner if more people join in and help with that |
| 01:30:01 | almondjoy | tucoz: any ideas on the cycle of death? |
| 01:30:08 | tucoz | No, sorry |
| 01:30:49 | Kaze | anyone know that sound status for playing vids on rockbox? |
| 01:30:50 | tucoz | Kaze: the resolution of the h10 5gb is not used in other rockbox targets. that is why those plugins do not work yet |
| 01:31:10 | Kaze | oh ya I think I read that somewhere in the misticriver forum |
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| 01:31:28 | tucoz | there is no sound when playing vids. that is the status |
| 01:31:51 | tucoz | but i know there have been some testing to get sound working. |
| 01:32:10 | Kaze | oh okay becuase I came across some h10 threads saying audio has been added but I cant find anything from rockbox on it |
| 01:32:39 | tucoz | nothing functional yet, and no estimated dates when it _is_ functional |
| 01:32:50 | gopp | has any one tryed rockbox on the new nano |
| 01:32:52 | tucoz | could be pretty soon thought |
| 01:32:52 | gopp | since it out |
| 01:33:09 | gopp | and look at this hack |
| 01:33:10 | gopp | Ok Mac fanboys, listen up: if you somehow manage to have two not-yet-released Clovertown Intel Core 2 quad-core chips kicking around and you happen to have recently bought a Mac Pro, you can pop the pair of them right there into your nice little LGA-771 sockets, for some oct-awesome processing power |
| 01:33:11 | Kaze | k cool thanks for your help |
| 01:33:22 | gopp | they put a quad core chip on a powermac |
| 01:33:30 | gopp | and the system didn't hipcup |
| 01:33:38 | pixelma | Kaze: I'm working on the graphic adaption of tetrox for this resolution :) |
| 01:33:41 | gopp | and they could not find application to over stress the system |
| 01:33:53 | gopp | how much is itunes 7 charing |
| 01:33:55 | gopp | for games |
| 01:34:00 | gopp | games should be free |
| 01:34:07 | Kaze | oh awesome pixelma ya Im a huge tetris fan so I was like YES!!! so Im looking forward to it |
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| 01:34:23 | Kaze | where will you post it when your done? |
| 01:34:24 | gopp | I wish they would have that racing game grandprix |
| 01:34:26 | gopp | for the ipod |
| 01:34:44 | belze | gopp: 5$ per game |
| 01:35:04 | belze | its a total rip-off i'd say |
| 01:35:27 | pixelma | Kaze: I have someone with commit access near ;) |
| 01:36:00 | Kaze | oh okay ^^ |
| 01:36:08 | gopp | dam that a rip off |
| 01:36:36 | belze | and im still laughing about that gap less feature |
| 01:36:43 | belze | which was announced like a break-through |
| 01:37:12 | gopp | it not break trough |
| 01:37:18 | gopp | that the main reason I used rockbox |
| 01:37:20 | gopp | and ogg |
| 01:37:26 | gopp | does new firmware support ogg |
| 01:37:36 | gopp | and how do we know if apple didn't just rip the rockbox firmware |
| 01:37:40 | gopp | and used the code |
| 01:37:49 | belze | i doubt they will support ogg |
| 01:37:49 | gopp | for gapless |
| 01:38:07 | belze | apple likes to have everything proprietary like microsoft |
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| 01:39:09 | tucoz | good night |
| 01:39:11 | Kaze | belze thats becuase Bill Gates owns half of mac lol he started buying into the company in like 84 when it almost went bankrupt and has been buying more and more since |
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| 01:39:18 | Galois | is the gapless actually for ipods, or just itunes ? |
| 01:39:30 | gopp | for the ipod |
| 01:39:39 | gopp | itunes already had some sort of cross fade |
| 01:39:42 | gopp | in party mode |
| 01:39:45 | Galois | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=286 says itunes |
| 01:39:49 | linuxstb_ | Isn't it just the 5g ipod though? |
| 01:39:50 | gopp | but it automatic |
| 01:40:02 | gopp | it a software gapless not hardware |
| 01:40:16 | belze | Galois: i think you have to scan the files with itunes, so the ipod knows where to cut the files |
| 01:40:52 | gopp | belze I think itunes 7 does it automaticall |
| 01:40:55 | gopp | after you install it |
| 01:41:07 | gopp | but how does automatic gapless |
| 01:41:12 | gopp | know when a song starts |
| 01:41:23 | almondjoy | gopp: you're right, i installed itunes 7 today |
| 01:41:24 | gopp | i know some songs I got have a gap in the being of song |
| 01:41:26 | gopp | like 2 sec |
| 01:41:30 | Galois | it had better store the info in the itunesdb because modifying song files is unacceptable |
| 01:41:31 | almondjoy | does it automatically, then does it on the ipod |
| 01:41:52 | gopp | but how does it know a song has no sound when it start |
| 01:42:00 | gopp | I gotten m usic that start a litte late |
| 01:42:04 | gopp | like 4 or 5 seconds |
| 01:42:22 | amiconn | Real gapless won't remove any intentional gap |
| 01:42:34 | amiconn | If it does, it's gap removal not real gapless |
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| 01:43:07 | gopp | oh I hate gaps |
| 01:43:38 | belze | but luckily we got rockbox to do gapless playback ;) |
| 01:44:01 | * | amiconn hates any change to the playback which isn't intended by the artist |
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| 01:45:23 | amiconn | That's why I really like gapless and hate it when daps add artificial gaps, but don't want things like gap removal, crossfading, fade in/out and other stuff of that type |
| 01:46:51 | gopp | I like fade in and out of songs |
| 01:46:53 | gopp | love it |
| 01:47:01 | gopp | rockbox is great |
| 01:47:08 | gopp | I have this netgear mp101 |
| 01:47:10 | gopp | it sucks |
| 01:47:18 | gopp | it has like 20 second gap between songs |
| 01:47:28 | gopp | in shuffle or regular mode |
| 01:47:44 | gopp | it a dap that works ove upnp and wifi, and even with townky the firmware still slow |
| 01:49:07 | gopp | i wish rockbox was supported on it |
| 01:49:32 | gopp | as the offical netgear firmware / server/ host or w hat ever software was the worst ever never worked correctly |
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| 01:58:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: Your scheduler7_rc.patch doesn't build for Ondio FM |
| 01:58:19 | amiconn | drivers/fmradio_i2c.c: In function 'fmradio_i2c_ack': |
| 01:58:19 | amiconn | drivers/fmradio_i2c.c:320: error: too few arguments to function 'sleep_thread' |
| 01:58:19 | amiconn | drivers/fmradio_i2c.c:321: warning: implicit declaration of function 'wake_up_thread' |
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| 01:58:19 | amiconn | drivers/fmradio_i2c.c: In function 'fmradio_i2c_getack': |
| 01:58:19 | amiconn | drivers/fmradio_i2c.c:340: error: too few arguments to function 'sleep_thread' |
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| 02:03:16 | amiconn | Hmm, and it also doesn't build for X5.... |
| 02:03:43 | amiconn | In file included from filetypes.c:31: |
| 02:03:43 | amiconn | plugin.h:254: error: duplicate member 'lcd_remote_set_foreground' |
| 02:03:58 | amiconn | ...and 6 more duplicate members |
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| 03:11:31 | RaiderX | ok, quick question, having rockbox on a 5g ipod wont mess up using an apple updater will it? |
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| 03:13:47 | JdGordon | y do u want to use the a[pple updater? |
| 03:15:43 | RaiderX | i wanna test these new games |
| 03:15:53 | RaiderX | i actually bought a couple :x |
| 03:16:22 | JdGordon | i dont know what it does.. u might have to reinstall rockbox after |
| 03:17:11 | RaiderX | well i know the apple updater replaces the apple firmware files, but i dunno if it wipes the whole partition (in which case id have to reinstall rockbox) or if it just overwrites.. :/ |
| 03:17:18 | RaiderX | somoene please answer me |
| 03:31:32 | Febs | You would have to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 03:35:34 | RaiderX | just the botloader? |
| 03:36:17 | RaiderX | ok ill figure it out |
| 03:36:54 | Febs | What games did you buy? |
| 03:37:34 | RaiderX | i spent out my gift card and got zuma, vortex, and cubis |
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| 03:45:25 | blacks | if I want to uninstall rockbox and go back to stock firmware on my mini 1g, but deleted all the apple files from the partition, is it still possible to recover? |
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| 03:52:44 | Febs | Did you save a copy of bootloader.bin? |
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| 03:56:12 | blacks | yes I did |
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| 03:58:57 | Febs | Check the manual. It lists the instruction you need to use to restore your ipod firmware. |
| 03:59:08 | billytwowilly | heh. |
| 03:59:37 | blacks | I saw that I could just dd my bootloader back on, but it'll still boot without ipod_control and all that? |
| 03:59:46 | billytwowilly | so noone has started developing a port of rockbox for the new nano yet eh?;) |
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| 04:00:10 | Febs | blacks, I believe that the ipod will create ipod_control if it doesn't exist. If not, itunes will. |
| 04:00:32 | Febs | billytwowilly, it's tough to do that since no one HAS a new nano yet. |
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| 04:00:57 | billytwowilly | bah;) No excuse;) |
| 04:01:05 | billytwowilly | Aren't they available at apple stores? |
| 04:01:09 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 04:01:09 | * | billytwowilly thought they were... |
| 04:01:33 | Febs | No one involved in Rockbox has one. (As far as I know.) |
| 04:05:34 | billytwowilly | I'm just bugging you febs;) |
| 04:05:52 | billytwowilly | I'm more interested in the e200 port;) |
| 04:05:58 | billytwowilly | anyhoo, off to watch the davinci code |
| 04:05:59 | billytwowilly | cheers |
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| 04:15:32 | JdGordon | does anyone think it would be bad to automatically apply all settings after leavig the setting change screen? |
| 04:16:01 | Landus | Anyone know why several songs are being picked up by the tagcache twice. |
| 04:16:13 | Landus | So I'll have double entries for the same song when browsing the ID3 database? |
| 04:16:42 | scorche | have you deleted your tagcache files and re-build? |
| 04:16:57 | Landus | Several times. |
| 04:17:41 | scorche | and you are sure that you dont have duplicates? |
| 04:18:36 | Landus | If I insert the double entries, then go to Playlist -> File Options -> Delete, all the duplicates point to the same file. |
| 04:18:46 | Landus | And if it happns, it's all the songs under an artist. |
| 04:19:21 | Landus | Not just one song. |
| 04:19:38 | scorche | what build do you have? |
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| 04:20:15 | Landus | The build from yesterday. |
| 04:20:21 | Landus | 20060912 |
| 04:21:45 | scorche | ack...food is done...if someone hasnt helped you by the time i get back, i will continue |
| 04:22:44 | Landus | Okay. |
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| 04:36:34 | oob3 | hey |
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| 04:53:14 | oob3 | can anyone help me, I've installed Rockbox to my X5, when i try to browse my album folders there an no viewable mp3's in them |
| 04:56:16 | gopp | cellphone from nextel with mp3 |
| 04:56:18 | gopp | suck |
| 04:56:20 | gopp | player |
| 04:56:38 | gopp | I know, becuase I Tryed to upload two mp3 to my friend nextel phone he told me, since he owns no computer |
| 04:56:45 | gopp | they would not even load |
| 04:57:08 | gopp | even after I read manual that said certain bitrate 192 and it was far less 160 |
| 04:57:18 | gopp | and in .mp3 format as stated |
| 04:57:29 | gopp | but for some reason it would not even show up or load |
| 04:57:45 | gopp | but I got one of his cd ripped, with itunes, and those mp3 did work, strange |
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| 05:17:29 | scottder | I am sure this has been to asked to death, is Rockbox going to work on the new nanos? |
| 05:17:37 | scottder | or did they change chipsets? |
| 05:18:24 | JdGordon | no one knows yet |
| 05:18:41 | JdGordon | actually thats not true... |
| 05:18:44 | JdGordon | apple knows |
| 05:19:11 | scottder | I know there was talk about them changing vendors for the chipset a while back.... |
| 05:19:24 | scottder | 8gb flash based rockbox love....must...have....it |
| 05:19:24 | scottder | :) |
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| 05:19:30 | scorche | it was their processor...from portal player to samsung |
| 05:19:40 | scorche | but we are not sure if they have made the switch yet |
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| 05:19:52 | scorche | it is a pretty big change after all |
| 05:20:09 | Terinjokes | what is? |
| 05:20:25 | scorche | Terinjokes: there is a reason we have logs on the site =) |
| 05:21:05 | * | scottder has forsaken HD based players....they never liked me much :) |
| 05:21:14 | * | Terinjokes is on a mobile device, rocking to some tunes =) |
| 05:21:40 | Terinjokes | thus one app at a time |
| 05:21:55 | * | scottder has never been hapier then when he switched his Nano to Rockbox.... |
| 05:22:02 | scottder | Q3 Ogg Vorbis love.... |
| 05:22:38 | Terinjokes | my nano broke seconds after jobs announced a new nano |
| 05:22:38 | scorche | apple is getting close, but i dont see a reason to downgrade from 127 gigs =) |
| 05:22:49 | JdGordon | im torn... i have 30gb of music (i really only listen to maybe 8 of it tho) which is too much for a flash disk.. but im a cluctz and keep dtopping ym h300 |
| 05:22:57 | JdGordon | so the disk will die eventually :'( |
| 05:23:37 | scorche | Terinjokes: im sure they have plenty of backstock of nanos =) |
| 05:23:40 | Terinjokes | gordon, they all do...one day |
| 05:23:46 | scorche | the old ones :P |
| 05:23:49 | scottder | Heck I am pretty happy with how much I can fit on 4Gb...but 8 would be nice |
| 05:23:57 | scottder | and I get a discount from work for Apple |
| 05:24:10 | scottder | not a huge one....but some |
| 05:24:20 | Terinjokes | like? |
| 05:25:18 | Terinjokes | ffefpefe |
| 05:25:21 | scottder | $234 for the 8gb Nano for example |
| 05:25:45 | JdGordon | US$? |
| 05:25:48 | scottder | Yup |
| 05:25:51 | Terinjokes | nice...still a bit hey for me |
| 05:26:13 | * | JdGordon is not paying AUD$450 for a 8gb flash player when i can get a 60gb hdd player for that price |
| 05:26:28 | scorche | aye |
| 05:26:37 | scorche | i need the space |
| 05:26:50 | scottder | well as I said...I have hadd too much bad luck with HD based players |
| 05:26:53 | * | JdGordon gone |
| 05:26:57 | scottder | and I am pretty gentle with my gear |
| 05:27:10 | Terinjokes | gordon, were are these hdds? |
| 05:27:16 | scorche | having huge rubber bumpers on your device is great =) |
| 05:27:58 | scottder | my curse runs deep.... |
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| 05:28:15 | scottder | my wife has had the 20gb 4Gb ipod for a while with no issues.... |
| 05:28:27 | scottder | before that I had gone thorught a Creative player then a 3G Ipod |
| 05:28:38 | scottder | my touch killed them :) |
| 05:28:39 | scorche | s/4Gb/4G ? |
| 05:28:43 | scottder | 4G |
| 05:28:49 | scottder | Opps yes |
| 05:29:11 | Terinjokes | now it make slln |
| 05:29:15 | Terinjokes | since! |
| 05:29:23 | scorche | sense ;) |
| 05:29:41 | Terinjokes | =) |
| 05:29:53 | scottder | seence |
| 05:29:53 | scottder | :) |
| 05:31:32 | Terinjokes | night |
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| 06:32:22 | anrdewmel | Hi all, looking for a tiny bit of help to get me started on compiling RB |
| 06:32:27 | anrdewmel | any takers? |
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| 07:02:42 | JdGordon | anrdewmel: whats the problem? |
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| 07:03:31 | anrdewmel | well I am working through them.... at present I seem unable to cd .. above the c:\Cygwin directory. and the daily command is no recognised. I am about to unzip manually |
| 07:04:13 | * | JdGordon would suggest the colinux image... its all setup already and faster than cygwin |
| 07:04:47 | JdGordon | unless u need the sim.. then id say the vmware image |
| 07:04:48 | anrdewmel | do I need to be running linux for that? |
| 07:05:03 | JdGordon | no, colinux is linux under windows |
| 07:05:14 | anrdewmel | I am wanting to have a go at improving the metronome plugin |
| 07:05:50 | scorche | i use the VMware image myself |
| 07:09:28 | oob3 | hey JdGordon |
| 07:10:08 | oob3 | few aussies here eh |
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| 07:42:36 | daurnimator | a few |
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| 08:51:24 | Slasheri | amiconn: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduler8_rc.patch, it has the ondio fm problem fixed and the scheduler is also performance/IRAM -optimized for fast task switching |
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| 08:58:46 | Bg3r | Slasheri: 404 |
| 08:58:52 | Bg3r | ops |
| 08:59:01 | Bg3r | never mind |
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| 09:01:54 | * | JdGordon has finaly removed the last traces of the config block code in settings.c :D |
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| 09:08:29 | webguest79 | Hi guys im fairly computer literate but not shure if im in the right place i would like to know if rockbox is eather fully functional or save to use for the H300, I dont really wont to turn it into a paperwait |
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| 09:09:49 | JdGordon | webguest79: yes, perfectly sae |
| 09:09:53 | JdGordon | safe* |
| 09:10:34 | webguest79 | how functional is it or is it really only for devolpers |
| 09:11:31 | JdGordon | its been running since january |
| 09:11:35 | JdGordon | it works fin |
| 09:11:36 | JdGordon | e |
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| 09:11:52 | webguest79 | sweet thanks guys |
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| 09:30:43 | webguest65 | When I go to settings -> browse fonts the cursor is always positioned at the first font. Would it be hard to position it at the font currently in use? |
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| 09:32:22 | shadou | no |
| 09:32:24 | shadou | it wouldn't be |
| 09:32:40 | webguest79 | jdGordon In the manual under 2.2.4. Installing the firmware it says Note: The current stable release is available only for Archos jukeboxes. There has not yet been a stable release for the Iriver H320 and H340. Until there is a stable release for Iriver H320 and H340, use a daily build or CVS build. Where can I download a 100% stable version |
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| 09:33:02 | shadou | nothing is 100% stable |
| 09:33:09 | shadou | even your factory firmware is bound to have bugs |
| 09:33:10 | shadou | imo |
| 09:33:14 | webguest79 | yer ok |
| 09:33:26 | shadou | that being said, stable in that particular sentence means |
| 09:33:29 | shadou | non-developer release stable |
| 09:33:35 | webguest79 | yes |
| 09:33:38 | shadou | i.e; not a cvs or daily build |
| 09:33:52 | webguest79 | i just dont want it to crash |
| 09:33:56 | shadou | cvs or daily builds may very well be "100%" stable. |
| 09:34:19 | shadou | it's usually good to check out the build targets on the cvs page to see if your particular port has build errors |
| 09:34:21 | shadou | or even the forums |
| 09:34:35 | webguest65 | shadou: "...it wouldn't be" Is it the answer to font cursor positioning? |
| 09:34:49 | shadou | webguest63: yes, it wouldn't be hard |
| 09:34:55 | shadou | in a logical sense |
| 09:35:11 | shadou | I've not even thought about trying to code C on those AMR platforms |
| 09:35:18 | amiconn | No build errors don't guarantee anything regarding stability |
| 09:35:36 | shadou | that's true |
| 09:35:42 | webguest79 | hmm |
| 09:36:07 | _jhMikeS_ | hmmm...I'm wondering if I shouldn't put the Frequency and Channels settings in the encoder config menu since they're very dependent upon which format you want. Any thought? |
| 09:36:17 | shadou | take the plunge, even rockbox with bugs is probably better than the factory firmware |
| 09:36:29 | amiconn | That said, rockbox is stable enough to be safe to use on the newer targets |
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| 09:37:00 | webguest79 | yes your brobably right hav u guys got a version loaded at the moment that u know works |
| 09:37:01 | amiconn | Whether it's stable enough to not annoy the user depends on the user |
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| 09:37:29 | stripwax | webguest79 - the daily builds work |
| 09:37:29 | shadou | I'm running a cvs build from sometime last week on my nano :P |
| 09:37:30 | webguest65 | shadou: ah, there is even a feature request: FS #5080 |
| 09:37:37 | shadou | webguest63: well there ya go :P |
| 09:38:18 | webguest65 | shadou: are you in -2-mode (I'm webguest65) :-) |
| 09:38:32 | shadou | -2-mode? |
| 09:38:37 | shadou | oh |
| 09:38:43 | shadou | Didn't press tab enough. |
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| 09:38:54 | jhMikeS | JdGordon? |
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| 09:40:51 | webguest65 | @devs with good RockBox GUI API knowledge: please look at the feature request FS #5080 |
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| 09:45:02 | jhMikeS | noone cares if I do that then? ?? |
| 09:45:50 | amiconn | ?? |
| 09:46:00 | amiconn | Slasheri: Still doesn't build for X5 ... |
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| 09:46:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ^^ about changing where channels and frequency are set |
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| 09:52:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think the selection of sample rates should change depending on which codec you use, but i don't know if encoder settings is the most logical place |
| 09:53:26 | preglow | sample rate is one of the more central settings of recording itself, not a feature of the encoder, so it doesn't really make sense to put it there |
| 09:53:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: I don't know it get pretty hairy...plus you can keep you're preffered settings for each format. Mono/Stereo suffers the same problems. |
| 09:54:18 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
| 09:55:13 | petur | wel even the wav writer is an encoder, so it makes some sense for me |
| 09:55:19 | preglow | sure, i expect it can get hairy, but it really doesn't change the fact that it's a weird place to keep settings like that |
| 09:56:29 | preglow | how would the bottom level menu structure look if you removed those options? |
| 09:56:34 | jhMikeS | It's a matter of priority really. Encoder settings will have to dominate the frequency and channels selection. |
| 09:56:40 | webguest79 | ok guys thanks for your help im gona use daily build 2006-09-13 I hope this works, I can handle bugs. But my H300 better not become a paperwait |
| 09:57:12 | preglow | might happen |
| 09:57:19 | preglow | your choice |
| 09:57:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: it will indeed |
| 09:58:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: so i guess it will be the easiest by far to implement as an encoder option |
| 09:58:10 | webguest79 | Well errr... Does any one know which daily build do and dont work |
| 09:58:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: well I just don't want to do that if people are really strongly against it |
| 09:58:30 | preglow | webguest79: it doesn't matter, the bootloader is what matters, and that's the same in all cases |
| 09:58:37 | preglow | webguest79: if you get a build that doesn't work, then you install a new one |
| 09:58:39 | webguest79 | oh |
| 09:58:47 | webguest79 | really |
| 09:58:50 | preglow | webguest79: in any case, i ddoubt there are any builds that don't work |
| 09:58:56 | webguest79 | ok |
| 09:59:23 | petur | webguest79: the bootloader has usb mode so you can always access the disk and install another build |
| 09:59:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm not strongly against it, i just feel it's not very logical. but i do however see it's practical |
| 09:59:34 | webguest79 | yes that makes sense coz the boot ladder is the firmware |
| 09:59:47 | webguest79 | and the build is not |
| 09:59:51 | webguest79 | thanks again |
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| 10:00:18 | jhMikeS | preglow: It just might simplify things a lot. If you don't cull the bottom level choices, then you have to adjust encoder settings behind the user's back to make it right. |
| 10:00:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, how will you merge that with the platform issue? h1x0 doesn't support all the mpeg sample rates by far, for eaxmple |
| 10:00:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes, sure, but it's still possible to do that in a very user visible manner |
| 10:01:00 | linuxstb | Does the MP3 encoder support the MPEG 2.5 samplerates (11025, 12000, 8000) ? |
| 10:01:03 | jhMikeS | Sample rates available will be the intersection of that hardware and encoder sample rates |
| 10:01:07 | preglow | linuxstb: yes |
| 10:01:11 | jhMikeS | *the hardware |
| 10:01:13 | preglow | linuxstb: no |
| 10:01:14 | preglow | :) |
| 10:01:18 | preglow | just mpeg 2, i think |
| 10:01:45 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes, just MPEG 2. mp3_enc is basically a copy of mp3_encoder as it is |
| 10:01:54 | preglow | yea |
| 10:01:58 | preglow | why do we still have mp3_encoder, btw? :> |
| 10:02:01 | linuxstb | Would MPEG 2.5 be trivial to add though? i.e. just setting the right bits in the frame header? |
| 10:02:06 | preglow | linuxstb: doubt it |
| 10:02:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: I guess so you can convert existing files? |
| 10:02:55 | jhMikeS | mp3_enc will need some emacgic eventually |
| 10:02:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: wouldn't it be easyish to just make a single interface for that that works with all encoders? |
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| 10:03:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: hasn't it already been emacgicified? |
| 10:03:22 | jhMikeS | preglow: butterfly hasn't |
| 10:03:32 | preglow | butterflying isn't easily emacified |
| 10:03:41 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
| 10:03:55 | preglow | hmm |
| 10:04:23 | jhMikeS | what do you mean "single interface"? I have an enc_api.c that will pick the right menus and such for the AMFT |
| 10:04:23 | preglow | imdct is its own inverse, so we could rip out the one in libmad and use that in mp3_enc as well |
| 10:04:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: i mean some transcoder interface in rockbox |
| 10:05:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: so we don't need all this duplicate encoder code lying around |
| 10:06:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: you mean the wav2wav mp3_encoder and such? I think that would be np to do after getting all the "good stuff" enabled. You can run encoder settings menus without actually using its cfg on disk |
| 10:08:06 | preglow | nicety |
| 10:08:47 | jhMikeS | Just load the encoder, configure the settings then throw samples its way not through DMA but by reading from a file or whatever. Just need to separate it a tiny bit from the recording. |
| 10:09:38 | jhMikeS | Can that be in the future...future...future? I'd just like to get this mongo update working nicely. :) |
| 10:10:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: what the heck does butterfly do? I couldn't google anything really good about it. |
| 10:11:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: a butterfly is the smallest component of many frequency domain transforms |
| 10:11:49 | preglow | doesn't look like there is any in mp3_Enc |
| 10:12:07 | preglow | the mdct that is there seems to be emacifiable indeed |
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| 10:14:17 | preglow | it's been factored to mostly adds and subs, though |
| 10:17:16 | jhMikeS | /* Perform aliasing reduction butterfly */ |
| 10:17:16 | jhMikeS | if(band != 0) |
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| 10:17:16 | jhMikeS | { |
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| 10:17:17 | jhMikeS | int bu, bd; |
| 10:17:19 | jhMikeS | bu = shft15(mdct[k]) * ca[k] + |
| 10:17:21 | jhMikeS | shft15(mdct[-1-k]) * cs[k]; |
| 10:17:23 | jhMikeS | bd = shft15(mdct[k]) * cs[k] - |
| 10:17:25 | jhMikeS | shft15(mdct[-1-k]) * ca[k]; |
| 10:17:27 | jhMikeS | mdct[-1-k] = bu; |
| 10:17:29 | jhMikeS | mdct[ k ] = bd; |
| 10:17:31 | jhMikeS | } |
| 10:17:33 | jhMikeS | } |
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| 10:17:38 | preglow | i also do line numbers :> |
| 10:17:51 | preglow | but yeah, there's the butterfly right there in the middle |
| 10:18:01 | jhMikeS | Starts at 2339 |
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| 10:23:05 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Going back to your question, I don't feel that strongly either, but my vote would be to make samplerate and channels "core" recording settings - they are hardware settings that control the ADC, not software settings that control the encoder. |
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| 10:30:46 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: They may be "core" and "hardware" but are they to someone just using rb? If the enoder choice doesn't dominate the sr setting, then what do I set the encoder or its settings to when the chosen rate is incompatible? Things will change behind the user's back but I'm looking to minimize that. Setting up the encoder will have to effect sample rate and channels, no choice really. |
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| 10:34:08 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking maybe the encoder should return a bit mask after it's been configured giving the available channels/rates. |
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| 10:34:40 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: You've persuaded me. Make them encoder settings :) |
| 10:36:40 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Actually I just thought of a way to keep it as is that will work well (bitmask). Read last sentence. :) Or is it just the dependency of the channels and samplerate on the encoder that's convincing? |
| 10:37:41 | linuxstb | That bitmask will need to be target-dependent though - in almost all cases, the ADC is more limiting than the file format. IIUC, WAV (and therefore wavpack) can support any samplerate - so a bitmask won't work unless it only contains the ADC supported samplerates. |
| 10:38:17 | jhMikeS | I'll provide functions to help that |
| 10:38:26 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: The convincing point is the UI - the samplerates the user can choose could potentially change depending on the codec, so it's cleaner to make it a codec setting. |
| 10:38:48 | linuxstb | Even though it's not really what's going on behind the scenes. |
| 10:39:09 | jhMikeS | You create a bit mask where each bit represents a certain rate no matter what the hw/codec and AND them together to get available rates. |
| 10:39:49 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: It's all in creating an illusion! :) |
| 10:41:20 | jhMikeS | I have a couple function: audio_round_sample_rate and audio_format_sample_rate and am not certain which file would be best for that kind of utility. They should be available to firmware code on SW and HW I think. |
| 10:41:23 | linuxstb | I guess the same issue applies to bit-depth... |
| 10:41:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: no matter what we do it'll probably confuse some ysers |
| 10:41:38 | preglow | users too |
| 10:41:56 | preglow | would someone please kill my throat? |
| 10:42:16 | jhMikeS | preglow: why's it need killing? |
| 10:43:10 | preglow | it hurts |
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| 10:44:51 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What do those two functions do? |
| 10:46:04 | jhMikeS | one rounds a given number to the closest available in a list, the other gives a string back for a sample rate like 22, 22.05, 22kHz, or 22.05kHz depending if you want the fraction and or units. |
| 10:47:05 | linuxstb | Isn't there already a function to format a number like that? |
| 10:47:11 | jhMikeS | That statusbar icon stuff will need a revamp. The digits should be separate bitmaps. |
| 10:47:24 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: If you know where it is, tell me...can't find it. |
| 10:47:43 | linuxstb | It's probably used to display samplerate in the WPS... Let me look. |
| 10:47:56 | jhMikeS | They just seems to be choosing the number from a list of canned strings |
| 10:48:04 | jhMikeS | In WPS idk |
| 10:48:42 | jhMikeS | Well...that functionality needs to be widely available so the status bar and other displays can use it. |
| 10:48:46 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to get the correct LANG_ value from a UNIT_ value? |
| 10:49:25 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Something in talk.c I think? |
| 10:50:18 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: output_dyn_value() in misc.c |
| 10:52:24 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: thanks...why is misc.c an apps level file btw? It contains useful stuff for firware level...I'm cheating right now and just protyping the functions in the enc_api.c file :) |
| 10:53:06 | linuxstb | What's useful in misc.c for the firmware? |
| 10:53:21 | jhMikeS | I need read_line and settings_parseline... |
| 10:53:49 | linuxstb | Something's wrong then.... Is that due to the hwcodec recording code being in firmware? |
| 10:54:48 | linuxstb | I mean the firmware shouldn't deal with settings loading - that's app-level code. |
| 10:56:01 | * | amiconn thinks the available sample rates and channel settings are not (or should not be) encoder specific |
| 10:56:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: they can't not be made encoder influenced though. |
| 10:56:54 | amiconn | As long as we only support the standard sample rates, all encoders should be able to support all sample rates |
| 10:56:55 | mirak6 | linuxstb at leat we can match iriver firmware video playback ... :-( |
| 10:57:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Example? |
| 10:57:08 | mirak6 | least |
| 10:57:16 | jhMikeS | As long as we only support 44.1 everything will be fine! |
| 10:57:29 | markun | mirak6: can't get more than 10fps? |
| 10:57:44 | amiconn | We have 8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24/32/44.1/48 |
| 10:57:57 | preglow | amiconn: try making speex support 44.1khzs |
| 10:57:59 | amiconn | All these rates can be supported by all encoders |
| 10:58:08 | preglow | amiconn: ok, then go implement it! |
| 10:58:12 | amiconn | Do we have a speex encoder? |
| 10:58:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no they can't |
| 10:58:17 | preglow | i hope we will |
| 10:58:20 | amiconn | We don't even have a decoder |
| 10:58:22 | jhMikeS | mp3 is picky |
| 10:58:27 | preglow | amiconn: we have a decoder soon |
| 10:58:28 | dwihno | Am I the only one noticing strange button behaviour ever since the button remapping code? |
| 10:58:33 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, i like to plan a little bit ahead |
| 10:58:41 | dwihno | (as in, "old" button combo's won't work) |
| 10:59:02 | JdGordon | dwihno: no, and there is a forum thread exactly for that |
| 10:59:12 | preglow | amiconn: the fact that we know such encoders exist really should make us think twice before going with shortsighted solutions |
| 10:59:19 | dwihno | JdGordon: ah, will check it out. |
| 10:59:49 | jhMikeS | And bitrate settings...11.025 is only supported by MPEG2.5 and we can't encoder that now |
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| 11:00:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: "standard" samplerates on the ipod include 88.2khz and 96khz - not supported by mp3. |
| 11:00:31 | jhMikeS | Bitrate settings are different for MPEG2 which is used for 22.050 |
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| 11:02:22 | jhMikeS | So if you choose MP3 on coldfire, you have 44.1 and 22.05 to choose from as those are the two rate common to both |
| 11:03:00 | jhMikeS | Even if we do downsampling it's still restricted by codec |
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| 11:04:55 | linuxstb | mirak6: We're not decoding audio yet though... |
| 11:06:11 | mirak6 | markun, we can get 20 fps out of 16/9 video. I can get 14 on a fullscreen video :-/ |
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| 11:07:12 | linuxstb | So we're probably on course for 10fps full-screen video with audio... |
| 11:08:08 | jhMikeS | It WavPack rate list the official "can do all rates" standard I should use? WAV needs rounding even though technically it can be set to any integer frequency. |
| 11:08:51 | linuxstb | IMO WavPack should be limited to the same as our WAV encoder. |
| 11:09:11 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: There's no technical limit on the WAV encoder |
| 11:09:37 | preglow | nor is there on with wavpack |
| 11:09:43 | amiconn | For wav we could technically support any integer rate (even w/o resampling on archos!), but many players have problems playing non-standard rates, so I wouldn't like that |
| 11:10:07 | preglow | it would be pointless anyway |
| 11:10:18 | preglow | we shouldn't encourage people to go with anything but the standard rates |
| 11:10:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: wputils lists 6000, 8000, 9600, 11025, 12000, 16000, 22050, 24000, 32000, 44100, 48000, 64000, 88200, 96000, 192000 |
| 11:10:39 | linuxstb | Not 176400? |
| 11:10:50 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm not here to baby them, they should have choices! :) |
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| 11:11:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: wavpack is intended to pack wavs, so it should be able to represent all rates wav does |
| 11:11:05 | jhMikeS | no 176400...should it be added? ?? |
| 11:11:08 | amiconn | (the pcm codec for the MAS only documents the standard rates, but non-standard rates could be done by pll reprogramming like we do for pitch shifting) |
| 11:11:25 | Slasheri | amiconn: fixed.. there was a copy/paste error in the plugin.h. http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduler9_rc.patch |
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| 11:11:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'll came hit you over the head the day i find people posting 40khz wavs, then... |
| 11:11:47 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It's a standard rate - used in DVD-Audio for example. |
| 11:12:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: no 40kHz, just that list above, maybe sans 192000 |
| 11:13:49 | JdGordon | what was the consensus with the slider int settings screen? |
| 11:13:53 | jhMikeS | Actuall Coldfire can do 88200 as well...how bout I enable those other oddball ones it can do? :) |
| 11:14:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: those are standard rates and a-ok by me |
| 11:14:16 | * | jhMikeS needs a good master list of sample rates |
| 11:14:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: 176400, 192000? Those aren't off the deep end? |
| 11:15:28 | amiconn | Imho we should only support the 9 really standard rates (maybe the 3 extra ones above 48kHz too, if technically possible, although I don't see much sense in having them available) |
| 11:16:13 | preglow | if it's available, it's good |
| 11:16:17 | jhMikeS | 88200 is possible on cf... |
| 11:16:20 | preglow | as long as it's fairly standard |
| 11:16:32 | preglow | it's nice to utilise the hardware we have |
| 11:16:49 | amiconn | 8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24/32/44.1/48(/64/88.2/96) |
| 11:17:19 | jhMikeS | I thought I'd add 7350, 14700, 29400 and 58800 since CF can do it :) |
| 11:18:40 | jhMikeS | What can you hear with a 3000Hz bandwidth limit anyway? Probably how my grandpa heard things. |
| 11:19:44 | jhMikeS | preglow: why no 45325Hz wav files? A problem for implementing something? |
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| 11:20:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't see a point with them. it'll just make life harder for other people having to deal with those files |
| 11:21:15 | jhMikeS | B-] *evil laughter* |
| 11:22:30 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so your list just cuts out 6000 and 192000 from the list above really. sounds fine with me. |
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| 11:24:41 | linuxstb | I'm sure we'll need to add 192000 at some point, but I'm fine with just doing that when Rockbox starts to run on hardware that supports it. |
| 11:24:46 | preglow | 6000 khz is somewhat pointless, yes... |
| 11:24:51 | preglow | 6000hz, even |
| 11:25:00 | jhMikeS | I'll use a bitmask to rep those rates...not just lists...maybe no lists...ah! |
| 11:26:20 | jhMikeS | 6000 khz...lol...I want to record my microwave's emissions and a cook food with my dap. |
| 11:27:01 | preglow | you have a microwave that cooks food with sound? |
| 11:27:02 | preglow | cool |
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| 11:31:42 | jhMikeS | A pig roast looks pretty funny with the headphones on |
| 11:38:31 | preglow | funny, but delicous |
| 11:46:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: what does "smallest component" mean if not the smallest coefficient in "many fd transforms"? |
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| 11:52:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: a butterfly is really just the operation that combines smaller subtransforms into bigger transforms |
| 11:52:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't know how it applies in the code you pasted |
| 11:53:22 | preglow | i think i remember a butterfly really is just a size 2 fft |
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| 12:30:29 | KyVangel | Hey |
| 12:30:54 | KyVangel | anybody here can help me with installing rockbox on my ipod 5g |
| 12:31:21 | KyVangel | I just wanted to know if I have done it correctly |
| 12:31:57 | aliask | Have you tried it yet? |
| 12:32:26 | KyVangel | I am running hte program as we speak.. im just wordering how it runs my itunes songs |
| 12:32:45 | aliask | What do you mean, "The program"... do you mean rockbox? |
| 12:32:55 | KyVangel | Ive installed all my necessary applications through SLAX, which was a pain |
| 12:33:04 | KyVangel | but i can install rockbox directly through windows.. |
| 12:33:12 | aliask | SLAX? |
| 12:33:13 | KyVangel | yeahim running rockbox |
| 12:33:41 | aliask | To play the files that iTunes has hidden away on the harddrive you'll probably want to use Tagcache. |
| 12:33:43 | KyVangel | SLAX.. some linux program i had to run through my cd-drive to install psplinux |
| 12:34:21 | aliask | To get Tagcache up and running you'll need to initialise it, which takes a little while - it has to scan the harddrive etc. |
| 12:34:54 | KyVangel | what are the advantages of running rockbox than the actual apple os to run my music |
| 12:35:01 | KyVangel | are you using rockbox for your ipod or differnet mp3 player? |
| 12:35:09 | aliask | I use an iriver |
| 12:35:21 | aliask | But rockbox is basically the same on all DAPs. |
| 12:35:24 | KyVangel | cool.. i have an iriver |
| 12:35:31 | scorche | aliask: slax is the live-cd distrobution of slackware |
| 12:35:32 | KyVangel | like a 1 gig to play music while i scuba dive |
| 12:35:52 | aliask | scorche: Ah, thanks. |
| 12:36:04 | aliask | KyVangel: You might be interested in this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 12:36:37 | KyVangel | will rockbox work with my fm transmitter? |
| 12:36:45 | aliask | Hum, sorta. |
| 12:36:52 | scorche | if it plugs in to *only* the headphone port, yes |
| 12:37:02 | KyVangel | alright |
| 12:37:27 | aliask | If it's an iTrip or something like that, unfortunately it requires a bit of a hack to get working. |
| 12:38:57 | KyVangel | well i use a tape player type thing in 1 of my cars |
| 12:39:09 | scorche | that will work as well |
| 12:39:18 | KyVangel | becuase sound quality is better, and use my fm transmitter to ppower it 9v |
| 12:39:24 | KyVangel | but i also use it in my other car that doesn't have a tape player |
| 12:39:45 | KyVangel | scorche, do you use rockbox for ipod? |
| 12:39:55 | scorche | not as of yet |
| 12:40:07 | KyVangel | i just got into the entire "homebrew" ipod scene |
| 12:40:13 | KyVangel | i been homebrewing my psp for a couple weeks now |
| 12:40:27 | aliask | Do you code at all? |
| 12:40:36 | KyVangel | no.. |
| 12:40:46 | KyVangel | not that advanced.. i thought of taking some classes.. but im too busy right now |
| 12:41:33 | aliask | Mmm... just looking at these Wii menu navigation videos... I think I'm going to like this. |
| 12:41:51 | KyVangel | what are the Wii navigation videos? |
| 12:42:03 | aliask | You know the Wii? |
| 12:42:13 | scorche | aliask: did you see that one video of the (ign?) guy in germany actually playing with it? |
| 12:42:25 | scorche | gave a ton more depth and understanding to how it actually works |
| 12:42:33 | scorche | the controls that is |
| 12:42:35 | KyVangel | oh the nintendo wii |
| 12:42:38 | aliask | scorche: I've seen a few from IGN... which video are you talking about? |
| 12:42:42 | KyVangel | yeah im looking into getting one |
| 12:42:48 | | Part bytie |
| 12:43:07 | scorche | i mostlikely will at least for twilight princess alone |
| 12:43:12 | * | scorche <3 zelda |
| 12:43:22 | KyVangel | didn't care much for gamecube, but hopefully wii will be a hit |
| 12:43:30 | aliask | And I'll be getting it for Red Steel alone... |
| 12:43:40 | scorche | yeah...mine has been gathing quite a bit of dust |
| 12:43:44 | aliask | Apparently the GC was a lot more fun that it looked. |
| 12:43:53 | KyVangel | i have one |
| 12:44:14 | aliask | My cousin still plays his GC pretty regularly. |
| 12:44:19 | KyVangel | it was cool that it was small, but i dont haul my xbox around too much |
| 12:44:36 | aliask | I've never been a console gamer until I found my Xbox :D |
| 12:45:04 | scorche | i still have my nintendo =) |
| 12:45:12 | KyVangel | are the only files I really need in teh actual install? |
| 12:45:30 | scorche | KyVangel: have you already installed the bootloader? |
| 12:45:31 | KyVangel | or are there a bunch of extra applications i should download outside of the installer |
| 12:45:37 | aliask | You need the .rockbox directory, the rockbox.ipod, and the bootloader. |
| 12:45:54 | KyVangel | i installed ipodlinux |
| 12:46:03 | KyVangel | its the blue screen that loads when i reset my ipod right? |
| 12:46:18 | aliask | Yeah, that sounds like the bootloader. |
| 12:46:42 | scorche | all you have to do is extract to the root then (provided the ipod is fat32) |
| 12:46:44 | KyVangel | yeah i have those files.. i just want to know if there are other applications or themes worth downloading for rockbox |
| 12:46:58 | scorche | you can see the WPS galleries in the wiki |
| 12:47:06 | aliask | Themes, probably, applications, not really. |
| 12:47:16 | KyVangel | i was just kidna confused.. because in SLAX it looked like I had three different partitions |
| 12:47:20 | KyVangel | but in windows.. it only shows one |
| 12:47:33 | aliask | They're hidden partitions. |
| 12:47:40 | KyVangel | so the one in windows is that Fat32? |
| 12:47:53 | aliask | FAT/FAT32... I think. |
| 12:48:38 | KyVangel | alright, cool |
| 12:48:54 | KyVangel | cool.. nes emulator for the ipod |
| 12:50:57 | scorche | a-ha! |
| 12:51:03 | scorche | aliask: http://media.games.ign.com/articles/693/693580/vid_1657122.html |
| 12:51:17 | scorche | worth watching the whole thing....especially if you havent seen it in action before |
| 12:51:19 | KyVangel | is this the wii video |
| 12:51:23 | * | aliask watches |
| 12:54:20 | KyVangel | i wish my psp had 60gb |
| 12:54:20 | aliask | Man this guy sucks... |
| 12:54:24 | KyVangel | oh man would that be awesome |
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| 13:06:02 | KyVangel | heh i cant get this tag cache thing working |
| 13:06:12 | KyVangel | where is the tag cache menu |
| 13:06:13 | scorche | what is the issue? |
| 13:06:17 | JdGordon | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 13:06:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | KyVangel: Have you tried searching for "tagcache" in the manual? |
| 13:07:26 | KyVangel | im in the manual, and im at the tag cache section |
| 13:07:41 | KyVangel | says go to Tag Cache Menu, but I cant find hte menu |
| 13:08:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's under File View... |
| 13:08:10 | scorche | in general settings |
| 13:08:19 | aliask | Menu -> General Settings -> File View -> Tag Cache |
| 13:08:34 | KyVangel | okay, thanks |
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| 13:21:06 | JdGordon | aliask: hey, have you added any more menus? just checking before i get stuck into them again |
| 13:21:31 | aliask | Nah, all the stuff I was going to add ended up needing the dynamic stuff. |
| 13:21:42 | JdGordon | ah righto |
| 13:21:53 | scorche | oh yeah...menu recode =/ |
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| 13:25:03 | JdGordon | *PANIC* stkov dircache! |
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| 13:27:02 | preglow | so, has anyone opened a new nano yet? |
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| 13:35:18 | JdGordon | can anyone suggest a program to fix my mp3 track time? i have a heap of tracks that obviously wernt ripped properly, |
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| 13:47:05 | Arathis | is it possible turn light on for lets say 2 seconds when hold is activated without switching hold? |
| 13:47:11 | JdGordon | ok this is wierd.... stop isnt doing anything in the wps now! |
| 13:47:38 | JdGordon | grrr!!! stupid bloody party mode! |
| 13:47:52 | preglow | Arathis: hold is a hardware switch that works on a hardware level for many tgargets |
| 13:48:13 | Arathis | preglow: which means what? |
| 13:49:03 | linuxstb_ | Which means if hold is on, Rockbox can't tell when a button is being pressed. |
| 13:52:16 | amiconn | On iriver and X5 it would be possible to detect button presses when hold is on, both for main & remote, except the H300 non-lcd remote |
| 13:52:20 | pondlife | Any brave volunteers want to try a new playback.c? |
| 13:52:39 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5992 needs testing, lots! |
| 13:52:47 | amiconn | But currently buttons aren't read when hold is active, in order to save cpu time |
| 13:53:57 | Arathis | linuxstb: as far as I remember in the iriver firmware when hold was "on" and you pressed a button backlight goes on and an icon for "hold is active" showed up |
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| 14:01:05 | pixelma | markun: are you there? I'd like to have your opinion on the Gigabeat.svg I made... |
| 14:01:43 | markun | pixelma: I'm at work but I can take a look |
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| 14:14:16 | lex | so the new nano has a new processor? |
| 14:14:24 | lex | a samsung one? :o |
| 14:14:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: you busy? |
| 14:15:30 | JdGordon | actually.. is anyone not busy and can have a look @ a patch i did to write stuff to disk next time its accessed? its causing some pretty bad bugs and i cant see why |
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| 14:17:15 | hcl | webmind: prod |
| 14:17:17 | | Nick hcl is now known as HCl (n=hcl@rockbox/developer/HCl) |
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| 14:20:18 | Bg3r | wow HCl activity |
| 14:21:37 | pondlife | Slasheri: around? If so, can you in particular look at/try FS #5992. |
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| 14:22:34 | HCl | haha |
| 14:22:35 | HCl | Hi |
| 14:23:03 | Slasheri | pondlife: i will do that soon :) |
| 14:23:13 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 14:23:30 | pondlife | Seems ok here, but I don't use every feature... |
| 14:24:28 | Slasheri | would you like that i commit it or do you want to commit it? |
| 14:24:34 | Slasheri | it seems to be ok |
| 14:24:46 | pondlife | I think it should be tested some more |
| 14:24:53 | pondlife | Otherwise I would have commited it! |
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| 14:25:10 | pondlife | I'll give it a weekend to breathe a bit |
| 14:25:43 | pondlife | In particular there were several loops I removed ... waiting for playing or voice_is_playing... |
| 14:25:55 | pondlife | These were resulting in deadlocks so I removed them! |
| 14:26:12 | pondlife | Seems happy to freewheel. |
| 14:28:04 | Slasheri | sounds good :) |
| 14:28:20 | Slasheri | i was thinking that it was the patch for playlist.c but that was for playback.c |
| 14:28:30 | Slasheri | at least the playlist.c patch seems to be clear, just commit it |
| 14:28:36 | pondlife | OK |
| 14:28:43 | pondlife | The voice buffer one? |
| 14:28:47 | Slasheri | yep |
| 14:28:56 | Slasheri | i will check and try that new patch in evening |
| 14:29:23 | pondlife | Thanks. It's a bit bigger - thought you'd checked it over quickly..! |
| 14:29:51 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 14:30:16 | webmind | HCl, nope |
| 14:30:17 | webmind | it's not |
| 14:30:27 | webmind | HCl, and freenode complaining again, so cant send msg's |
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| 14:30:36 | webmind | HCl, tried irc.nl.uu.net ? |
| 14:31:34 | JdGordon | where do i go looking for what happens on whutdown? |
| 14:34:04 | aliask | shutdown? ;) |
| 14:34:11 | JdGordon | ye, typo |
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| 14:38:19 | aliask | At what level? Hardware level, or is this for your delayed write patch? |
| 14:38:34 | JdGordon | software level... found it.. misc.c |
| 14:38:50 | JdGordon | yes and no... i seem to be able to hang on shutdown very easily.. |
| 14:39:00 | aliask | Ah, I was perusing firmware/ |
| 14:39:12 | JdGordon | same.. thats why i couldnt find it :p |
| 14:39:39 | JdGordon | side note.. i tinhk i found how to save to the eeprom :D |
| 14:42:02 | aliask | pondlife: I'll test that patch, but I'm probably not going to be using rockbox too heavily over the next few days. |
| 14:44:13 | pondlife | OK |
| 14:44:24 | pondlife | I've actually found one problem already |
| 14:44:38 | pondlife | Skip/Stop sometimes crashes |
| 14:44:50 | aliask | Hard crash? |
| 14:44:55 | pondlife | No |
| 14:44:55 | webguest79 | Can u guys please tell me how to install a patch, or where to copy it to? |
| 14:45:15 | pondlife | Just won't playback anything (or any voice) until you restart |
| 14:45:25 | aliask | Ah ok, that's fine. |
| 14:45:33 | pondlife | Will put a note on Flyspray and fix as soon as I have time. Probably Monday or Tuesday |
| 14:46:06 | aliask | webguest79: You have to recompile the source, so if you want a patch then you have to put in a bit of effort. |
| 14:46:46 | webguest79 | even if i just down loaded a patch of rockbox like album art |
| 14:47:05 | aliask | Any patch will be the same. |
| 14:47:12 | webguest79 | ok how do i do it then |
| 14:47:13 | aliask | Unless it was precompiled for you. |
| 14:47:22 | webguest79 | ummm |
| 14:47:30 | webguest79 | i dont know |
| 14:47:48 | aliask | I'm not going to be awake long enough to describe the process in depth, but read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 14:48:01 | webguest79 | ok thanks |
| 14:48:32 | bluebrother | webguest79, theres a WorkingWithPatches wiki page. |
| 14:48:59 | perplexity | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling <−− this covers both building and patching.. |
| 14:49:09 | JdGordon | I should be able to write tot he disk up to the shutdown_hw(); call in the shutdown routing right? |
| 14:49:09 | bluebrother | (not sure if this is the exact page title, in case not just search for it) |
| 14:49:33 | aliask | Good catch perplexity. |
| 14:49:59 | perplexity | ta.. I was a rank beginner myself not that long ago :) |
| 14:50:21 | perplexity | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex <−− this is the one to bookmark.. basically gods guide to rockbox |
| 14:51:35 | aliask | Could someone send me a _dirname.talk file that is known to work, I'm clueless as to why it isn't working... |
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| 14:53:38 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell!! stupid copy paste error just wasted 2 hours of bug hunting! |
| 14:54:04 | aliask | :( |
| 14:54:38 | JdGordon | 6 != 2 !! |
| 14:55:20 | aliask | Not usually. |
| 14:55:49 | JdGordon | and because of that the damn settings writing function kept crashing |
| 14:59:09 | perplexity | Does that mean you've got it working then JdGordon ? |
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| 14:59:39 | JdGordon | yes, no more crashing... |
| 14:59:52 | perplexity | excellent news :) |
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| 15:00:58 | JdGordon | but now viewer.rock is crashing! |
| 15:01:05 | JdGordon | which is just odd because i havnt touched that |
| 15:04:03 | pondlife | Bagder: I suspect the build has hung. |
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| 15:05:38 | aliask | pondlife: Could you send me a _dirname.talk that you know to work? |
| 15:05:46 | pondlife | Where to? |
| 15:05:56 | aliask | aliask on gmail |
| 15:06:22 | aliask | Just testing the voicing features of rockbox, they're actually pretty neat. |
| 15:06:35 | pondlife | Very neat, if you're blind |
| 15:06:41 | pondlife | Or a driver |
| 15:07:13 | pondlife | Actually it's probably best if you run the voicebox script to generate _dirname.talk files. Could you do that? |
| 15:07:24 | aliask | Sure |
| 15:07:58 | pondlife | Let me know if you have problems and want me to mail over a copy of Microsoft Mary saying "Elvis Costello" |
| 15:08:01 | pondlife | ;-) |
| 15:09:19 | pondlife | Looks like the build HAS hung |
| 15:09:31 | pondlife | My 2 commits have both done that now! |
| 15:10:07 | pondlife | Maybe it's because I'm watching the build table and hitting refresh occasionally? Shouldn't matter.... |
| 15:10:19 | bluebrother | JdGordon, I just tried your int slider patch. It's nice, but a bit uncomfortable is the need to click to actually accept the value −− I'm used to right click (h120) |
| 15:10:27 | pondlife | Thanks Bagder (?) |
| 15:10:50 | * | Bagder bows |
| 15:11:00 | bluebrother | how about using up and down for increase / decrease like before? That way right could still accept and left cancel. |
| 15:11:01 | JdGordon | bluebrother: you cant exit the screen without clicking something... |
| 15:11:19 | * | pondlife thought Bagder had a robot waiting for hung builds, or a 15 minute timeout maybe |
| 15:11:22 | JdGordon | bluebrother: that just feels odd (imo) |
| 15:11:27 | bluebrother | JdGordon, sure, it's only the way the buttons are mapped ;-) |
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| 15:12:00 | pondlife | Hmm, the slider could go up and down too? |
| 15:12:15 | bluebrother | not to me at all. In wps you also increase the volume with up. |
| 15:12:40 | JdGordon | yes, but there isnt a big horizontal slider for the volume which can confuse you |
| 15:12:58 | JdGordon | you can presss off to cancel and on to acceot |
| 15:13:42 | bluebrother | I noticed that. But IMO left / right is used for navigating through the menus, so I don't see a big chance for confusion. |
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| 15:14:17 | bluebrother | also, in all other menus you choose with up / down, so using up / down for the int sliders would be more consistent imo. |
| 15:14:27 | JdGordon | realy? If I saw a horizontal slider taking up 90% of the screen i would assume left/right changes it.. not up/down |
| 15:14:56 | pondlife | So make it a vertical slider |
| 15:15:07 | JdGordon | I dont think that would look as good... |
| 15:15:11 | bluebrother | the iriver OF uses a horizontal slider for volume and uses up / down to change that ... |
| 15:15:12 | pondlife | Fits in with the EQ too maybe |
| 15:15:35 | JdGordon | isnt here a rule about using the OF as a guide :D |
| 15:15:48 | JdGordon | the e/q uses l/r also |
| 15:15:54 | pondlife | ...apart from I just looked and the EQ is l/r |
| 15:15:58 | pondlife | Oops |
| 15:16:13 | bluebrother | having the sliders in the eq vertical would be also nicer imo. But that's a different topic. |
| 15:16:34 | JdGordon | not really... they both use the same button context :) |
| 15:16:41 | bluebrother | making the slider vertical would be an alternative ... |
| 15:17:08 | * | bluebrother doesn't know the details of the button contexts |
| 15:17:24 | * | linuxstb_ repeats his old suggestion that left/right shouldn't be used to confirm/cancel in a settings screen... |
| 15:17:29 | JdGordon | a verticle slider would look horrible on the lcd remotes... _BUT_ the button is different so a sepearet screen could be done.. |
| 15:18:04 | * | JdGordon likes whoevers suggestion it was a day or 2 ago about bringing in a UI dictator |
| 15:18:22 | * | bluebrother likes the left / right in the menus as it allows pretty quick operations |
| 15:18:50 | JdGordon | it depends on the target.. but i agree |
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| 15:19:08 | bluebrother | pressing select is pretty slower on h120 to operate than right. |
| 15:19:47 | bbroke | JdGordon: what you mean with UI dictator? kind of usability? |
| 15:19:55 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, what would you suggest? left / right in the tree view and select / stop exclusively for select / cancel? |
| 15:19:57 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 15:20:15 | bbroke | well, i would be up for that (seriously!) |
| 15:20:43 | linuxstb_ | IMHO, it's a compromise - consistency everywhere (but less convenient), or more convenient in most places, with exceptions... |
| 15:20:51 | bluebrother | bbroke, how would someone qualify for that? |
| 15:21:11 | * | JdGordon thinks bbroke likes the idea of a power trip :D |
| 15:21:14 | bbroke | well, check openusability.org |
| 15:21:24 | * | bluebrother votes for consistency |
| 15:21:32 | * | JdGordon votes convienice |
| 15:21:35 | bbroke | yepp, all that! |
| 15:21:40 | JdGordon | too bad i cant spell it |
| 15:21:45 | bbroke | i know it's hard |
| 15:21:57 | bbroke | but i might try −− and dictate! ;) |
| 15:22:03 | bluebrother | noooo! |
| 15:22:07 | bluebrother | :) |
| 15:22:43 | aliask | Openusability looks like it does what we want... |
| 15:23:03 | bbroke | aliask: yepp1 |
| 15:23:31 | JdGordon | bbroke: i hate to say this.. but the usual answer unfortunatly applies... send a patch... |
| 15:24:13 | bbroke | JdGordon: so no help from the devs with consistency etc.? |
| 15:24:31 | JdGordon | my feeling is they prefer arguin over that sort of thing :D |
| 15:24:53 | bbroke | :) well the usability-guys could throw in another point of view |
| 15:24:54 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: The settings menus and settings screens are difficult - with JdGordon's recent changes to use lists, there doesn't look to be any difference between the settings screens themselves and the menus. So in that respect, LEFT/RIGHT makes sense. But some settings screens are different (colour picker, EQ, the slider version of the Volume)... |
| 15:25:18 | bbroke | and properly decide things (probably) |
| 15:25:37 | linuxstb_ | ...and in those screens LEFT/RIGHT are more naturally used to change the slider values. |
| 15:25:43 | aliask | Anyway, good luck with everything peoples - I'm out for the night |
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| 15:25:58 | bluebrother | a problem I see with the slider are blind people. How should they know if they need to change the value with up / down or left / right? |
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| 15:26:52 | bluebrother | thus, if we use up / down to change the value it should be done on every setting. |
| 15:27:36 | JdGordon | bluebrother: this may sound bad.. but there are far more people who can see than cant using rockbox.. and its (imo) counter-intuitive having up/down for a horiz slider |
| 15:27:56 | bluebrother | I don't have a color target, so I don't know the color picker. |
| 15:28:27 | bluebrother | JdGordon, but there are at least some who need that consistency. And we simply can't ignore them. |
| 15:28:55 | JdGordon | i agree... but its more confusing for the rest doing that |
| 15:28:59 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: It's a compromise... I could live with up/down to change a horizontal slider. It wouldn't take a user very long to realise that that's how it works. |
| 15:29:07 | bluebrother | in that case a vertical slider should be the way to go. IMO. |
| 15:29:35 | bluebrother | like in xmms ... up / down changes the volume, which is represented by a horizontal slider. |
| 15:29:53 | JdGordon | but thats not the main thing on the screen.. so its not the same |
| 15:29:59 | bluebrother | you'll find quite some examples where up / down changes a horizontal slider. |
| 15:30:52 | bluebrother | I still don't agree. In the menus the same keys should change the value regardless of the presentation of the value. |
| 15:31:18 | JdGordon | if you can draw up the screen with a verticle slider than doesnt look horrible ill code it (i tinhk it wouldnt look "as good" as a horiz slider) |
| 15:31:40 | JdGordon | so make the keys configurable... |
| 15:31:47 | pondlife | It would certainly have a lot more blank space... |
| 15:31:49 | JdGordon | but then you get the pher never-ending argument |
| 15:32:35 | bluebrother | I like the horizontal slider, it's just the keys. And I don't think it would be a problem to change a horizontal slider with up / down. |
| 15:34:55 | JdGordon | ok how about this? seen as i know some people dont like the idea of the slider anyway.... a choice of using the current list (so up/down changes) or the slider (l/r changes) |
| 15:35:08 | JdGordon | then everyone wins |
| 15:35:12 | JdGordon | ... sort of |
| 15:35:59 | * | bluebrother still don't likes it. |
| 15:36:52 | amiconn | I have nothing against sliders, if several requirements are met: |
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| 15:37:54 | amiconn | (1) The actual numeric value should be shown. (2) It should be able to handle low lcd resolution and large fonts. (3) Voice must be working |
| 15:38:09 | JdGordon | all three are done |
| 15:38:24 | amiconn | And of course charcell lcd can't have sliders |
| 15:38:25 | JdGordon | minimum scrren size is 3 lines iirc |
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| 15:38:35 | JdGordon | charcell uses the current code |
| 15:38:52 | amiconn | If the slider is designed as a widget, it could be reused on the colour seletion screen |
| 15:39:02 | pondlife | And the EQ? |
| 15:39:11 | amiconn | Yes, EQ too |
| 15:39:20 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: How do you feel about using up/down to change a horizontal slider? |
| 15:39:21 | * | theli_ua finally correctly mapped atari 2600 colors to color targets 16bpp colors.... |
| 15:39:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: Very counter-intuitive |
| 15:39:39 | JdGordon | whats wrong with how its used on those screens? the only thing it doesnt do is voice there.. |
| 15:39:43 | pondlife | I'd prefer that than using left/right |
| 15:39:54 | JdGordon | wd theli_ua |
| 15:40:02 | amiconn | A horizontal slider should use left/rigt for adjustment |
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| 15:40:17 | theli_ua | JdGordon, what is 'wd' ? :/ |
| 15:40:23 | pondlife | I disaree - left/right to change settings would be counter-intuitive, especially for the blind |
| 15:40:31 | JdGordon | theli_ua: well done |
| 15:40:34 | pondlife | disagree |
| 15:40:35 | amiconn | The we need vertical sliders |
| 15:40:43 | tucoz | amiconn: why? |
| 15:40:43 | theli_ua | JdGordon, oh.. thanks |
| 15:41:04 | tucoz | You enter/exit a menu with right/left |
| 15:41:13 | tucoz | change stuff with up/down |
| 15:41:17 | amiconn | left/right is inconsistent with list settings, so it would be problematic for blind operation |
| 15:41:41 | amiconn | And up/down for a horizontal slider is counterintuitive |
| 15:41:48 | tucoz | I would say it isn't |
| 15:41:54 | amiconn | Solution: Use vertical sliders |
| 15:41:54 | dan_a | I think "left changes a value in one screen, exits in another" is more counter intuitive than "up increases a value which is displayed by the slider moving right" |
| 15:42:12 | tucoz | Up increases the value, down decreases the value. What is shown on screen is less relevant |
| 15:42:31 | preglow | totally irrelevant, as a matter of fact... |
| 15:43:01 | tucoz | example: sw synths. You usually turn knobs with mouse up down |
| 15:43:02 | * | JdGordon wants to bet that everyone in the channel would get it wrong the first couple of times and every time they try changing the setting when half asleep |
| 15:43:08 | JdGordon | .. if up/down were sued |
| 15:43:09 | amiconn | tucoz: The compare with the EQ and color selector screens: Up/down select the slider, left/rigt adjust values |
| 15:43:33 | pondlife | Well, the EQ is the wrong way round anyway.... |
| 15:43:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: thats slightly different.. because you have more than one slider, so you have to use up/down to change |
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| 15:43:47 | pondlife | Look at any cheap stereo with a graphic EQ |
| 15:43:52 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not when using vertical sliders... |
| 15:43:59 | tucoz | I would say that the EQ is more than a slider, and more of an app. You have to move up/down left/right there |
| 15:44:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: oh, so you want to change both those screens also? |
| 15:44:38 | pondlife | But up/down should change value (i.e. on one EQ band) and left/right selects a different setting (i.e different band) |
| 15:44:51 | pondlife | So it's all consistent if they all use vertical sliders. |
| 15:44:55 | tucoz | the slider is just an indicator (imo). Not an actual slider |
| 15:45:00 | pondlife | But the screen size is then an issue (and remote) |
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| 15:45:23 | tucoz | a convenient way of showing what values you can select |
| 15:45:42 | bluebrother | pondlife, I'd suggest using left / right changing between the paramters of the eq |
| 15:46:03 | webguest00 | it is far more intuitive to have vertical aliders correspond to up increases and down decreases |
| 15:46:09 | pondlife | Yes |
| 15:46:14 | pondlife | That's what I meant |
| 15:46:20 | bluebrother | and select to (un)select the current highlighted channel for changing. When unselected the arrow keys could change between the sliders. |
| 15:47:15 | pondlife | I'd just have it like any other setting. Use left to get back to the leftmost slider and one more left to cancel. Use right repeatedly to change |
| 15:47:20 | bluebrother | that way left / right also could be used for accept / cancel. |
| 15:48:10 | pondlife | Colour selector could be the same |
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| 15:48:32 | tucoz | I think in fact that most programs use mouse-left+(mouse-wheel)up/down to increase values in a horisontal slider. |
| 15:49:04 | JdGordon | thats different again |
| 15:49:25 | tucoz | Not if you see the slider as an indicator and not a "physical" slider |
| 15:50:26 | JdGordon | I see your point.. but I dont think that argument works here |
| 15:50:49 | tucoz | And I think that is the way I look upon sliders (in this context). The issue imo is that you enter a menu/setting with right/left. Then all of a sudden you have to use something else to navigate |
| 15:51:57 | tucoz | But i guess you look upon the slider as an atomic, separated from the rest of the navigation. Then, left/right is fine. |
| 15:53:52 | linuxstb_ | All DAPs should have wheels - the orientation of the slider doesn't matter then :) |
| 15:54:07 | JdGordon | haha so true |
| 15:54:12 | tucoz | hehe, yes |
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| 15:54:24 | bluebrother | why not representing the volume as a wheel know then? ;-) |
| 15:54:32 | bluebrother | *knob |
| 15:54:58 | JdGordon | coz drawing the wheel would be relativly slow? |
| 15:55:42 | bluebrother | I guess more likely because it would look awful on small screens (and the value would be pretty hard to read) |
| 15:56:01 | linuxstb_ | So is anyone against the idea of vertical sliders? |
| 15:56:20 | JdGordon | im not.. if it doesnt look terrible |
| 15:56:25 | bluebrother | me not. |
| 15:56:50 | tucoz | I do not care what the slider looks like, as long as you increase/decrease with up/down ;) |
| 15:57:21 | bluebrother | hehe ... like the way I feel ;-) |
| 15:57:44 | JdGordon | why dont we just keep the list but draw the min/max values on the right (if there is room) and solve all this? |
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| 15:58:33 | tucoz | I like a slider far better than the current list. |
| 15:58:58 | bluebrother | I find a list for values like the volume strange. So I like the slider better. |
| 15:59:12 | * | amiconn strongly disagrees with linuxstb about the wheels |
| 15:59:26 | bluebrother | but as it's only a representation of the current value I don't care about its orientation. |
| 15:59:47 | tucoz | exactly |
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| 15:59:56 | bluebrother | but that slider should behave like the list IMO. |
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| 16:00:18 | bluebrother | what is the "wrong" buttons with the current patch. |
| 16:01:09 | JdGordon | bluebrother: to fix the patch just change the get_action(CONTEXT....) call to CONTEXT_SETTINGS |
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| 16:01:18 | JdGordon | and it will use the correct buttons |
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| 16:09:08 | JdGordon | so thats where the argument stops? |
| 16:09:26 | pondlife | Yes |
| 16:09:30 | pondlife | ;-) |
| 16:09:45 | JdGordon | nothing was decided tho... doesnt that annoy anyone else? |
| 16:09:48 | pondlife | "And then we'll have world peace." |
| 16:10:03 | pondlife | Didn't we decide vertical sliders are the way? |
| 16:10:28 | JdGordon | but they will look ugly! |
| 16:10:36 | bluebrother | as far as I understood, yes. |
| 16:10:51 | pondlife | Maybe, depends on the implementation! |
| 16:10:55 | bbroke | *cough* let someone who is not directly involved decide ;) |
| 16:10:56 | linuxstb_ | I think we need to see what vertical sliders look like... |
| 16:11:04 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why would they look ugly? |
| 16:11:20 | pondlife | There are good and bad sliders, just like there are bad and good UI developers. |
| 16:11:35 | JdGordon | someone open up paint and give it a whirl :D |
| 16:12:10 | * | bluebrother starts the sim |
| 16:15:06 | JdGordon | .. I tihnk the horizontal one should stay on the sliders... screen is the wrong shape for verticle and the same buttons can be used easily so no big deal |
| 16:16:09 | JdGordon | ... in other news... my code isnt working and im getting angry! |
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| 16:18:25 | bluebrother | JdGordon, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump_0001.png |
| 16:18:48 | JdGordon | its upside-down :D |
| 16:18:54 | mirak6 | JdGordon do you use iram for the viewer ? maybe the idct in asm is usable |
| 16:18:56 | JdGordon | i guess that looks ok |
| 16:19:16 | JdGordon | mirak6: no idea.. thats not whats bugging me atm |
| 16:19:25 | bluebrother | ah, you're right. Swapped the end values. |
| 16:19:42 | JdGordon | if everyone likes tht ill code it.. |
| 16:20:04 | JdGordon | except.. that wont scale so well to large fonts |
| 16:20:21 | JdGordon | what happens when the number of lines is less than 4? |
| 16:20:36 | amiconn | Placing all values on the same side of the slider would save space |
| 16:21:04 | JdGordon | amiconn: wont that clutter it on small screens? |
| 16:21:08 | bluebrother | you'll need some space for that. But on small sizes why not omit the title? Or put it on one side? |
| 16:21:11 | JdGordon | or large fonts |
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| 16:21:58 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: What's the URL for your horizontal slider screendump? |
| 16:22:12 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/slider_vals.bmp |
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| 16:25:18 | webguest37 | A true trade off would be a diagonal slider −− like the volume display in the status bar. I mean it seriously |
| 16:25:32 | JdGordon | not really... |
| 16:25:38 | JdGordon | .. or maybe... |
| 16:25:52 | JdGordon | hehe... that would be cool actually.. |
| 16:26:09 | JdGordon | webguest37 gets my vote! |
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| 16:26:40 | JdGordon | actually no... still the same problem with you assuming left is inc not up |
| 16:27:13 | webguest37 | Up/Down with a horizontal slider is really strange a bit but a diagonal gives a hint that it can go up |
| 16:27:14 | bluebrother | maybe ... but up would increase the height of that. |
| 16:27:34 | webguest37 | bluebrother: exact my thought |
| 16:28:34 | webguest37 | OTOH it's very unconventional for anything but volume :-( |
| 16:28:43 | JdGordon | diagnol would scale better for sure |
| 16:30:04 | webguest37 | JdGordon: where would the current value be displayed? Right or left from the triangle? |
| 16:30:30 | JdGordon | under it |
| 16:30:35 | JdGordon | or above it |
| 16:30:43 | webguest37 | The triangle outline should be displayed all the time. It would be filled as the value increases |
| 16:30:56 | amiconn | Bad idea, imho |
| 16:31:55 | bluebrother | mockup for recorder: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump%20060914-162724.png |
| 16:31:57 | jhMikeS | If I may interject: I think sliders would be good for adjusting groups of related settings like brighness/contrast on a single display like the TV set does |
| 16:32:02 | webguest37 | Actually I don't have anything against horizontal slider with up/down to change values. Just consider the 'slider' not as a slider (something you can actively move) but rather as an indicator. |
| 16:32:03 | bluebrother | swapped again :o |
| 16:32:18 | webguest37 | It's all a question of terminology! :-) |
| 16:32:22 | * | jhMikeS has dumb ideas! |
| 16:32:26 | bluebrother | webguest37, that's the way I think of a slider. |
| 16:32:55 | bluebrother | Like the "slider" in your car that shows the amount of gas left ... |
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| 16:33:24 | JdGordon | yes, but if your action changes the display you expect it to correspond to the button you press |
| 16:33:50 | JdGordon | bluebrother: nice, but what about on larger fonts? we are trying to make all new screens use the user font |
| 16:34:10 | webguest37 | He-he, a really blasting idea: display a horisontal slider, but in the moment the user presses up/down rotate the screen :-))) |
| 16:34:36 | bluebrother | shouldn't any problems with "small" user fonts ... and, what is the maximum size of a font you really want to use on a screen of that size? |
| 16:35:22 | JdGordon | i dont know... but in general.. it really should work for any screen size with any font size... although a minimum of say 3 lines is probably ok |
| 16:35:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: ?? Was that one for me...?? If I select an EQ band I don't get confused. |
| 16:36:17 | JdGordon | no, to bluebrother |
| 16:36:20 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 16:36:51 | JdGordon | and you dont get confused because l/r moves the slider l/r in the eq screen |
| 16:37:02 | bluebrother | screenshot of the current implementation with xtal-14: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump%20060914-163603.bmp |
| 16:37:04 | jhMikeS | I think blind user will adjust to variation pretty quickly but I'm not sure how deaf users will cope. |
| 16:37:24 | bluebrother | xtal-14 gives 3 lines for me (with soft button bar) |
| 16:37:36 | * | amiconn finds the eq screen rather confusing, and prefers the sub menus for adjusting the individual values |
| 16:37:56 | JdGordon | bluebrother: that doesnt work D: |
| 16:38:00 | bluebrother | I find the eq screen strange to use |
| 16:38:17 | bluebrother | so we need to make some assuptions to the maximum font size ;-) |
| 16:38:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn has that option... :) I like it together just like on my stereo. |
| 16:38:20 | dan_a | Just a thought - for some targets (iPod, Sansa when I finish the keymaps) up and down are controlled by a wheel, so using up to move the slider right *will* be intuitive. |
| 16:38:25 | JdGordon | bluebrother: oh, you mean thats what my screen looks like.. ok my bad |
| 16:38:27 | amiconn | I made xtal-14 because it allows for 4 lines on archos with the status bar enabled and button bar disabled |
| 16:39:18 | webguest37 | Eq screen is a "2D" screen so an exception. All other settings are 1D |
| 16:39:20 | JdGordon | dan_a: <linuxstb_> All DAPs should have wheels - the orientation of the slider doesn't matter then :) |
| 16:39:48 | webguest37 | Hence l/r is ok for the eq screen |
| 16:39:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: In fact I wouldn't need EQ at all, treble/bass would be enough. But the dac in the ipod mini doesn't have hardware treble/bass... |
| 16:40:05 | amiconn | On all other targets I never use eq |
| 16:40:23 | preglow | i don't even use treble/bass |
| 16:40:31 | webguest37 | amiconn: I don't either. A good DAP sounds good without eq |
| 16:40:43 | preglow | webguest37: it depends more on the headphones than the dap |
| 16:40:58 | amiconn | preglow: I need treble/bass on swcodec because there is no loudness correction |
| 16:41:10 | webguest37 | preglow: sure. You also should have decent buds |
| 16:41:26 | preglow | amiconn: how does hwcodec do loudness? |
| 16:41:28 | amiconn | At the low listening volumes I usually prefer, it would sound rather thin without treble/bass |
| 16:41:31 | preglow | an option you switch on yourself? |
| 16:41:37 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:41:37 | jhMikeS | treble/bass is kind of a 2-band eq, no? I set my eq with a slightly negative slope of +4 to -4 over the range. |
| 16:41:49 | preglow | amiconn: well, that shouldn't be impossible to implement on swcodec either |
| 16:41:52 | amiconn | The MAS does have built-in adjustable loudness |
| 16:42:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: two "band" eq |
| 16:42:11 | amiconn | (except the one used in the player) |
| 16:43:03 | preglow | amiconn: except that we might clip, of course, which sucks |
| 16:43:05 | * | jhMikeS is being corrected for some egregious grammatical error? :P |
| 16:43:09 | preglow | the advantage of doing it in hardware |
| 16:43:53 | amiconn | preglow: I don't think loudness would clip. At high volume where clipping might occur, loudness doesn't do anything |
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| 16:44:40 | preglow | amiconn: audio is always full amplitude internally |
| 16:44:44 | amiconn | It gradually boosts bass and (to a lesser degree) treble when volume is lowered |
| 16:44:49 | preglow | amiconn: the codec chip does the volume scaling |
| 16:44:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: I think I get the joke now...har har :) |
| 16:45:08 | bluebrother | recorder mockup with xtal-14: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump%20060914-163603.png |
| 16:45:11 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but then we can easily prescale |
| 16:45:26 | preglow | amiconn: true enough, i'll see if i can find specs for ordinary loudness filters |
| 16:46:05 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Would the word "Volume" always fit there? (i.e. other integer settings and other languages...) |
| 16:46:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's just that i don't really think of them as bands as such. the filters are usually first order, which modify pretty much the entire spectrum to an even greater degree than usual eqs |
| 16:46:36 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, I guess this would depend on the word itself −− haven't looked for other settings yet |
| 16:47:31 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I don't think we can assume it would always fit. |
| 16:47:33 | bluebrother | Stereo Width, MDB Strength etc. would be problematic. |
| 16:48:18 | bluebrother | (1) make the slider narrower, and keep the first line free for the title. 2nd line max value, 3rd actual and 4th the min value |
| 16:48:25 | bluebrother | (2) remove the title. |
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| 16:49:27 | bluebrother | (3) move the slider completely to the right and put the text on the left like in (1) |
| 16:50:01 | preglow | amiconn: seems like people just use the inverse of the a-weighting curve |
| 16:51:05 | bluebrother | I think (1) would look best. On a screen as small as this the slider won't show too much information anyway. |
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| 16:53:06 | preglow | amiconn: of course, you could use the wav codec and record me some logarithmic filter sweeps played back through the loudness filter, and i could do an exact approximation of the archos filter :) |
| 16:53:17 | preglow | amiconn: s/filter/sine/ |
| 16:53:26 | preglow | too much synth for me |
| 16:53:44 | bluebrother | mockup for (1) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump%20060914-163603a.png |
| 16:54:41 | bluebrother | this way it is also pretty similar to the h120 mockup I made |
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| 16:55:30 | webguest37 | bluebrother: I don't like it. It clutters too much |
| 16:56:25 | webguest37 | I'd rather had a horisontal slider |
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| 16:57:08 | bluebrother | I still don't have any objections to a horizontal slider as long as it changes the same way the lists change ;-) |
| 16:57:38 | * | JdGordon has big objections to that :D |
| 16:57:58 | bluebrother | but I think this is the best way to make it look good on small screens without too much restrictions on the user font. |
| 16:58:15 | bluebrother | hehe ;-) |
| 16:58:39 | webguest37 | bluebrother: +1 |
| 16:59:16 | lowlight | A vertical slider would be pretty easy to implement using the current list widget...have an option to draw the scrollbar as a slider and have the text callback only display max, min, & current values. |
| 16:59:38 | lowlight | of course there wouldn't be pretty formatting |
| 16:59:59 | bluebrother | lowlight, seen my mockups? The recorder one looks ok to me for that small screen. |
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| 17:00:02 | JdGordon | lowlight: interesting idea.. sure easy to code :) |
| 17:00:43 | JdGordon | way off topic.. can anyone see the problem here... if neither of the F_LANG_* bits are set the whole thing should be true ((item->flags&(F_LANG_REMOTE|F_LANG_HARDWARE)) == 0)) |
| 17:00:45 | bluebrother | too bad I don't have time to code myself a bit ... |
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| 17:02:58 | webguest37 | JdGordon: what type is it? |
| 17:03:05 | JdGordon | int |
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| 17:03:37 | webguest37 | JdGordon: and what's the problem? You don't get true? |
| 17:04:03 | JdGordon | that if doesnt work properly.. |
| 17:04:07 | lowlight | How about a dial or knob widget?. Would be intuitive for scroll wheels. :) |
| 17:04:31 | JdGordon | webguest37: dw bout it.. im too tired |
| 17:05:30 | bluebrother | lowlight, but it would get the same problems regarding screen size as the vertical slider |
| 17:05:32 | webguest37 | JdGordon: then go make a break. We don't need burnt out devs |
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| 17:06:18 | JdGordon | its 1am here... i should be asleep :p |
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| 17:06:44 | webguest37 | JdGordon: you have unbalanced parens |
| 17:07:09 | webguest37 | JdGordon: good night |
| 17:07:32 | * | JdGordon not going anywhere yet... im doing lowlight's suggestionfirst |
| 17:07:55 | lowlight | bluebrother: yes...I there was some sarcasm there...I really don't see the point in a fancy widget...I don't think I've ever changed volume from the menu. |
| 17:10:38 | bluebrother | I'm pretty sure some users would like fancy widgets, especially the ipod ones. |
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| 17:12:02 | webguest37 | bluebrother: after having used the DAP for some time the users don't care about the widgets that much. IMHO. They want things be done quickly |
| 17:12:58 | bluebrother | webguest37, right, but IMO most (ipod) users will first scream for fancy stuff. Some days (weeks?) later they settle down and like the simplicity |
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| 17:14:25 | JdGordon | lowlight: hacking the list control is the only way to do your suggestion.. cant be done with the callback only |
| 17:14:37 | webguest37 | bluebrother: a horiz. slider is nice enough IMHO |
| 17:14:38 | JdGordon | ... because you dont know which row is being called for |
| 17:14:50 | bluebrother | webguest37, agreed. |
| 17:15:44 | JdGordon | .. here we go again :D |
| 17:16:00 | webguest37 | bluebrother: so you now have to announce to everyone what the solution will look like. As a matter of fact :-) |
| 17:16:37 | JdGordon | actually... it can be done in the callback.. with some more hacks tho... |
| 17:16:41 | webguest37 | JdGordon: no, it's already decided ;-) |
| 17:16:45 | bluebrother | I don't think I'm up for the decision ;-) |
| 17:17:01 | * | JdGordon isnt comminting anything that uses up/down for a horiz slider! |
| 17:17:14 | bluebrother | why not try with the vertical slider? |
| 17:17:29 | JdGordon | i am |
| 17:17:31 | webguest37 | b/c it looks bad |
| 17:17:47 | bluebrother | the horizontal patch doesn't work on small screens with big fonts atm anyway. |
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| 17:17:58 | bluebrother | I don't think it looks too bad. |
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| 17:18:35 | webguest37 | A radical approach: do we need a slider? Why not just display min, mx, and cur values in a fancy way (well alligned etc)? |
| 17:18:46 | bluebrother | the vertical mockups have one advance imo: on larger targets (think of ipod video) there isn't like 3/4 of the screen blank |
| 17:19:38 | bluebrother | (but for that targets the slider maybe should be thicker) |
| 17:19:52 | bluebrother | (but that's a pretty small issue imo) |
| 17:19:55 | webguest37 | What settings (besides volume) need a slider? |
| 17:20:09 | amiconn | pondlife: Your playlist resume fix can be simplified |
| 17:20:14 | bluebrother | with JdGordon's current patch all that have int values. |
| 17:20:37 | pondlife | amiconn: yes? |
| 17:20:40 | amiconn | buffer = audiobuf + talk_get_bufsize(); |
| 17:20:59 | amiconn | buflen = audiobufend - buffer; |
| 17:21:04 | webguest37 | even if it's not continuous? I.e. also a setting with possible values 5, 10, 13? |
| 17:21:45 | bluebrother | haven't looked at that. But in the sound settings menu, most values are int. In General settings like scrolling speed. |
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| 17:23:56 | webguest37 | b/c I'd accept a slider only for such settings. If a setting is int but discrete I'd prefer the old optio list |
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| 17:24:17 | pondlife | amiconn: I'll update it in a while, I have a CPU boost tracker I've been using which may be useful to commit |
| 17:24:17 | amiconn | pondlife: The buffer calculation is just written differently (I prefer this type of pointer arithmetic), but the buflen calculation is definitely simplified |
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| 17:24:59 | pondlife | I actually prefer the array option, rather than the pointer option. But one call to talk_get_bufsize() is a definite improvement |
| 17:25:18 | * | JdGordon calling it quits.. cyaz |
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| 17:25:24 | pondlife | I was so into the actual memory layout I neglected to read what I had coded. |
| 17:26:16 | amiconn | I prefer the pointer arithmetic because it's more readable imho |
| 17:26:31 | amiconn | But the effect is exactly the same |
| 17:27:55 | pondlife | Would you like me to put CPU boost tracking history into CVS - it just lets you see what has currently set a boost flag (within reason). |
| 17:28:27 | amiconn | I don't know what this would be good for... |
| 17:28:45 | pondlife | I used it to find a bug in playback.c |
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| 17:30:53 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, do you think it would be a good time to commit the scheduler patch now and see how people likes about it? |
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| 17:32:38 | pondlife | Slasheri: does it involve many playback.c mods? |
| 17:33:25 | Slasheri | pondlife: almost none, it shouldn't conflict with your patch in any way :) |
| 17:33:48 | pondlife | phew |
| 17:33:50 | amiconn | Slasheri: I didn't test yet. |
| 17:33:52 | Slasheri | :D |
| 17:33:58 | amiconn | Only tried compilation |
| 17:34:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, if you try the simulator it doesn't compile but i have fixed it now |
| 17:34:29 | Slasheri | would you like to try it more before committing? |
| 17:35:12 | amiconn | I would like to try it on target, yes |
| 17:35:23 | pondlife | Slasheri: try it with my playback patch. If it seems to work, commit them both and we can both blame each other for the problems |
| 17:35:24 | Slasheri | ok, sounds good :) |
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| 17:35:27 | amiconn | Just from compilation I don't like the code size increase |
| 17:35:39 | synic | how do you know when the tag cache is done initializing? |
| 17:35:48 | amiconn | ~ +680 bytes on archos just for the kernel... and that's without priorities |
| 17:36:00 | Slasheri | pondlife :D |
| 17:36:22 | Slasheri | synic: disk spins down |
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| 17:41:11 | billodo | looking for a list of target platforms that indicates maturity of the RockBox port |
| 17:42:34 | Slasheri | amiconn: 120 bytes can be reduces to comment out two unnecessary panicf -calls (just useful for debug) |
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| 17:46:55 | preglow | Slasheri: have you done any kind of performance comparions with the old kernel? |
| 17:47:41 | synic | Slasheri: hrmm... not sure really when that happens either. Once it's created, do I need to do anything to read it? |
| 17:49:48 | Slasheri | synic: you might need to reboot if you get tagcache is not ready message |
| 17:50:19 | Slasheri | preglow: not any advance performance measurement yet.. some software needs to be written for that |
| 17:50:24 | Slasheri | +d |
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| 17:53:48 | preglow | Slasheri: i'm just a bit critical to commit something with no proven benefit |
| 17:53:56 | preglow | bear in mind i don't know much about the priority stuff |
| 17:55:42 | amiconn | Battery runtime measurements would be one possible way |
| 17:56:19 | preglow | amiconn: i doubt the performance increases would be above the measurement uncertainty in that case |
| 17:56:35 | amiconn | perhaps |
| 17:57:00 | preglow | measuring cycles in sleeping would perhaps be better |
| 17:57:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, true. that just would take a very long time and it would not be to use the dap while doing the test.. unless just measuring the current |
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| 17:57:11 | preglow | if we gain anything by this, it should be by allowing the cpu to sleep more |
| 17:57:17 | Slasheri | +possible |
| 17:57:37 | Slasheri | preglow: i think that should be the case |
| 17:57:39 | amiconn | preglow: Either sleep more, or boost less. Hard to tell... |
| 17:58:02 | preglow | amiconn: both can be measured |
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| 18:00:44 | preglow | better yet, both can be measured with a high level of accuracy |
| 18:03:25 | cdmackay | hi all, first time here, so please forgive ignorance. I have a really silly question: |
| 18:03:25 | cdmackay | I have just got an iRiver h320, on which I've just put rockbox daily, and I'm delighted with it, so thanks to all |
| 18:03:25 | cdmackay | one question: re the "backlight". In mine, when the backlight is off, so is the LCD itself, i.e. I don't see anything at all, |
| 18:03:25 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK cdmackay |
| 18:03:25 | cdmackay | which is unlike every other LCD-based display I've seen (where LCD can be on with or without backlight) |
| 18:03:26 | cdmackay | It does this in both iRiver firmware and Rockbox, so it's not the latter, but really a hardware question, so forgive OT |
| 18:03:29 | cdmackay | Is this normal? thanks much... |
| 18:04:15 | markun | cdmackay: it's normal |
| 18:04:37 | cdmackay | ah! thanks very much indeed markun; that's a huge relief. |
| 18:04:37 | cdmackay | I said it was a silly question :) |
| 18:05:03 | markun | The Toshiba Gigabeat is also unreadable without a backlight |
| 18:05:23 | cdmackay | it really threw me initially, especially with the default backlight timeout being so low |
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| 18:17:34 | webguest95 | is cowon x5l well supported now? |
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| 18:17:49 | Bagder | yes |
| 18:18:01 | webguest95 | better than ipod 4g? |
| 18:18:10 | Bagder | yes I'd say |
| 18:18:44 | webguest95 | k thanks...my ipod was stolen and when i get insurance money i think id prefer that one since it natively supports flac |
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| 18:48:00 | lowlight | Looks like Samsung chip in the new nano: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193000601 |
| 18:48:31 | lowlight | and no Wolfson chip |
| 18:52:33 | preglow | woah |
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| 18:53:04 | lowlight | Apple-branded chips. yuck. |
| 18:53:35 | preglow | gimme datasheets1!"! |
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| 18:54:40 | linuxstb_ | I'm guessing that's a misprint in the eetimes article, and it's the SA58450X03 - http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/SystemLSI/DigitalMedia/OpticalASSP/OpticalPlayer/MP3/SA58450/SA58450.htm |
| 18:55:09 | linuxstb_ | A fun chip - an ARM940 plus a calmrisc16.. |
| 18:55:58 | linuxstb_ | I think a lot of the iriver players use it. |
| 18:56:04 | preglow | hahaha |
| 18:56:07 | preglow | plus a calmrisc |
| 18:56:21 | preglow | what would you need a calmrisc core for when you've got an arm940 core? |
| 18:56:25 | mirak_ | hi |
| 18:56:53 | preglow | linuxstb_: more importantly: docs available? |
| 18:57:01 | linuxstb_ | Not afaik :( |
| 18:57:10 | preglow | "#%!"#% |
| 18:57:38 | linuxstb_ | I think markun said he contacted Samsung about them, not sure of the response (if any), but he didn't get any docs. |
| 18:57:57 | preglow | so much for hoping samsung would be nicer |
| 18:59:42 | coob | no pp chip then? |
| 18:59:58 | preglow | it seems like it's going to be a whole new port |
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| 19:00:01 | preglow | no nothing like before |
| 19:00:16 | coob | mmm arm9 :) |
| 19:00:23 | coob | can run real linux on that :D |
| 19:00:27 | lex | :O |
| 19:00:51 | preglow | hahaha |
| 19:01:06 | preglow | that would surely be advantageous |
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| 19:01:29 | linuxstb_ | Unlesss google's translator is misleading me, it seems the chip was co-designed by iriver :) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://digi.163.com/05/1209/11/24HDUSAC001618S7.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSA58450X01%26hl%3Den%26hs%3DK9t%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official |
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| 19:03:16 | linuxstb_ | Is the gigabeat an ARM940T core? |
| 19:05:38 | preglow | think so |
| 19:06:09 | lowlight | ARM920T (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo) |
| 19:06:15 | preglow | yeah |
| 19:07:04 | preglow | right, 940 only has a protection unit |
| 19:07:07 | preglow | not an actual mmu |
| 19:07:23 | linuxstb_ | So no real Linux then? |
| 19:07:49 | preglow | bah |
| 19:07:54 | preglow | absolutely no new cool instructions |
| 19:11:38 | lowlight | Zune is supposed to be intro'd today too |
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| 19:12:30 | preglow | 256kb sram... |
| 19:13:25 | lowlight | http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/microsoft-launches-the-zune/ |
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| 19:13:52 | * | lowlight wonders how long before the first "Does Rockbox run on Zune" post |
| 19:16:38 | Genre9mp3 | lowlight: Does Rockbox run on Zune? - there you go... :P |
| 19:17:06 | mirak_ | linuxstb: lcd_yuv_blit is called to inside draw_frame, but is this function exist in assembly for h300 ? |
| 19:18:03 | mirak_ | -to does/is |
| 19:25:42 | Genre9mp3 | eeeeeeewwwww: "Zune-to-Zune sharing: you can share a full-length track with a friend, and they've got three times to listen to it over a three day period, after which they can flag the song for purchase on the Zune Marketplace" |
| 19:27:51 | preglow | ahahahhaha |
| 19:29:14 | Genre9mp3 | Unsurprisingly Zune's screen resolution is the same as the Gigabeat |
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| 19:36:21 | * | amiconn gets a feeling that mirak is asking the same questions again and again |
| 19:36:46 | amiconn | Depends on what 'this function' refers to though |
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| 19:41:40 | mirak_ | amiconn: I don't see how the asm code is linked to the c code, exepct when there is asm inline code of course. That's probably what troubles me |
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| 19:53:45 | webguest52 | Hi all, I have a very easy question for you from someone who has very little clue! Any helpers? |
| 19:55:19 | linuxstb_ | So what's the question? |
| 19:55:27 | netmasta10bt | its best to just ask your question insetead of asking to ask |
| 19:56:33 | lowlight | mirak_: Look in the SOURCES for which files are compiled for the target |
| 19:58:17 | webguest52 | OK, here goes, I've just installed Rockbox on my H140 and all is peachy. Just wanted a web link so that I can understand all the customizable features on it... |
| 19:59:10 | mirak_ | lowlight: why don't you search the docs on the website ? |
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| 20:00:38 | webguest52 | i'm looking dude, can't find them! I am a REAL novice! Can barely send an email! |
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| 20:01:54 | mirak_ | then learn internet first and here is not the right place |
| 20:02:08 | lowlight | webguest52: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100-20060914.pdf |
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| 20:02:12 | preglow | anyone know if 1gig nanos differ from the other ones in hardware? |
| 20:02:28 | mirak_ | webguest52: www.google.com is of great use ;D |
| 20:04:16 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Do you mean the existing ones or the new ones? |
| 20:04:58 | preglow | linuxstb_: existing |
| 20:05:15 | preglow | linuxstb_: god a mate with a 1 gig nano who says he doesn't get more than 3 hours out of it on rockbox |
| 20:05:20 | preglow | god/got |
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| 20:07:42 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I've never read anything to suggest they are different. Has he tried the Apple firmware? |
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| 20:24:30 | * | linuxstb_ wonders who started calling the new ipods "5.5g" |
| 20:27:08 | webguest52 | Lowlight - if your'e still there mate, thanks a lot, that was exactly what I wanted. Thanks very much! Have a goody...:) |
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| 20:36:34 | webguest96 | does x5 or x5v the bootloader for x5l ? |
| 20:36:42 | webguest96 | does=is |
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| 21:03:10 | Coldtoast | http://gallery.ilounge.com/ipod/thumbnails.php?album=61 |
| 21:03:13 | Coldtoast | did anybody see this? |
| 21:03:25 | Coldtoast | dunno if it's useful at all |
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| 21:21:30 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Probably time to update the front page to say Rockbox only supports the 1st Generation Nano... |
| 21:24:14 | lex | yea |
| 21:24:19 | lex | what about the new 5g? |
| 21:25:20 | lex | is it the same, does it have a new lcd or something? |
| 21:26:21 | linuxstb_ | We'll know when someone tries to install Rockbox or IPL on one. |
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| 21:30:21 | lex | good night |
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| 21:35:50 | linuxstb | Is it just me or have forums.rockbox.org died? |
| 21:36:44 | pixelma | I cannot view them too |
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| 21:37:20 | pixelma | btw... linuxstb; have you seen my comment on Sudoku saturday? |
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| 21:38:08 | linuxstb | Ah, the fg/bg colours? |
| 21:38:13 | pixelma | yes |
| 21:38:29 | pixelma | you did :) |
| 21:38:46 | linuxstb | Any suggested solutions? |
| 21:38:59 | linuxstb | Should we just use the default colours? |
| 21:39:30 | linuxstb | Or maybe keep the user's default background, but use a black foreground? |
| 21:40:19 | pixelma | that should work - but might look odd too if someone uses a black background |
| 21:42:00 | pixelma | no actually only setting the foreground to black wouldn't be wise - the scratchpad has "empty" cells |
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| 21:44:11 | pixelma | I mean as long as there are no numbers they are filled with the background color |
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| 21:51:44 | synic | using the file view mode (not tag cache), how can I put the entire library on random? |
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| 21:56:52 | linuxstb | synic: Go to the main menu, then Playlist Options, then Create Playlist. That will create a playlist called root.m3u which contains every song on your player. You then play that file. |
| 21:58:21 | synic | linuxstb: did that, and it only got the files transferred via gtkpod |
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| 22:03:31 | linuxstb | synic: That should pick up every music file Rockbox can play. |
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| 22:04:03 | lamed | hello everyone |
| 22:04:14 | lamed | linuxstb: around? |
| 22:04:19 | linuxstb | Yep. |
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| 22:04:44 | lamed | hey. are you the porter of pacbox? |
| 22:04:57 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 22:05:43 | dionoea | is DEBUGF( ) only used in the sim ? or can it be used on live targets ? |
| 22:06:08 | linuxstb | It can be used on some live targets - but I think it needs a serial port hardware mod... |
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| 22:07:13 | lamed | hmmm, I'd been thinking of porting some game to RB, and I thought I might use the diffrence between the RB version and the real source so I'd see how screen buffer/sound/buttons are delt with. |
| 22:07:52 | lamed | the PIE source code file is down |
| 22:08:38 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pie111.zip |
| 22:08:56 | linuxstb | But it's a C++ Windows application, so maybe not that useful... |
| 22:09:06 | billodo | ok, yet another loaded question...which target is more RockBox mature: iAudio-X5 or iRiver-H340 |
| 22:09:34 | dionoea | linuxstb: so it's like #define DEBUGF on live targets ? (which is exactly what i'd need) |
| 22:09:47 | lamed | so you had to translate it all the way to RB C? |
| 22:10:32 | linuxstb | billodo: The H340 port is older (so more mature in that way), but the X5 port shares a lot of the same code with it (they use very similar CPUs). I don't own either, but I would guess Rockbox works just as well on both. |
| 22:11:50 | billodo | linuxstb: ok thx, I'm just trying to decide what to replace my ipod-3G with, since RB not working well on it |
| 22:14:04 | pixelma | lamed: the horizontal scrolling you implemented should have a setting in a menu... in most of the builds for the Ondio it's set to on as default (and then there's no way to disable it unless you have a prepaired config-file which sets it to off) - "long right" calls the file context menu, playback menu... |
| 22:14:12 | billodo | linuxstb: although I'm encouraged by the iPod3G porting effort, it appears not to be moving along, and I have no time to work on it |
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| 22:14:49 | preglow | i don't think we have any more 3g coders right now |
| 22:14:57 | linuxstb | There's only one developer, no documentation and a crappy CPU... |
| 22:15:06 | billodo | yeah |
| 22:15:21 | billodo | and nobody will code up the 2nd cpu, most likely |
| 22:15:30 | preglow | that's more likely to happen |
| 22:15:41 | preglow | but who knows |
| 22:15:47 | preglow | the codecs will need hyper optimisations for 3g anyway |
| 22:16:27 | billodo | how much coding you think will need to be done for the 3G in person months |
| 22:18:37 | lamed | pixelma: I'm not quite sure I got you stight. iirc, the ondio supposed to be using LEFT/RIGHT+MENU shortcuts. |
| 22:19:43 | mirak_ | coldfire sucks |
| 22:20:05 | pixelma | lamed: no... with "long right" you call the file context menu (Playlist, Copy, Cut, Open with...) and it's been this way as long as I can remember |
| 22:20:06 | mirak_ | is the memory bus on the cpu or external ? |
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| 22:21:41 | pixelma | lamed: so you aren't able to do some of the most important things with horizontal scrolling enabled |
| 22:21:45 | linuxstb | billodo: It's impossible to say, but it's not a small amount of work... |
| 22:22:32 | billodo | linuxstb: do you use one of these targets? which one? |
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| 22:22:42 | mirak_ | linuxstb: are you doing some comits on mpegplayer ? I can send you the idct for coldfire |
| 22:22:57 | linuxstb | I can't test it... |
| 22:23:13 | mirak_ | linuxstb: I did tested it |
| 22:23:28 | mirak_ | it's just to have it on cvs |
| 22:23:37 | mirak_ | so ther can improve it |
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| 22:24:40 | lamed | pixelma: I'm sorry but I don't have a development envirounment up and running, but I think you have misread my question. Ondio's should be using ON+RIGHT, not LONG RIGHT. |
| 22:25:20 | pixelma | for horizontal scrolling? |
| 22:25:49 | pixelma | but then it doesn't... |
| 22:25:52 | lamed | ah, I know what happend even before of l00king at the code... it's the new keymaps tables. |
| 22:26:03 | lamed | let me see |
| 22:26:28 | lamed | yepp. { ACTION_TREE_PGRIGHT, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE }, |
| 22:26:34 | lamed | that's wrong. |
| 22:26:56 | mirak_ | linuxstb: I will try the memcpy aproach for clipping. loading the destination block in burst mode to iram, then processing it and putting it back to sdram |
| 22:27:28 | pixelma | lamed: so there is someone else to blame ;) |
| 22:27:30 | mirak_ | otherwise I must do byte per bytes acces to sdram |
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| 22:28:38 | lamed | pixelma: would you agree LEFT/RIGHT+MENU would solve the problem? |
| 22:30:10 | lamed | damn : / I'm not used to those lookup tables and I can't sort it out so quickly |
| 22:30:45 | pixelma | lamed: I cannot think of anything else that would use that combo - so I think it's possible |
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| 22:35:27 | webguest54 | so if I want to get music on my iPod, I can't do it through iTunes? |
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| 22:36:17 | webguest54 | thoughts? |
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| 22:36:28 | bluebrother | webguest54, you can but you aren't required to. |
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| 22:36:39 | webguest54 | wow |
| 22:36:44 | webguest54 | oh here we go |
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| 22:36:57 | lowlight | Regarding the discussion earlier on vertical sliders for settings... |
| 22:37:10 | webguest54 | if I want to put music on my rockbox iPod, I can't use iTunes? |
| 22:37:15 | * | bluebrother listens |
| 22:37:15 | lowlight | here...http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/vert_slider_list.bmp |
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| 22:37:35 | lowlight | I modified the list widget to display as a slider |
| 22:37:50 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 22:37:54 | webguest54 | or will it recognize the files uploaded with iTunes? |
| 22:37:58 | linuxstb | webguest54: Yes, you can use itunes if you want to. But itunes won't transfer all the types of audio files Rockbox supports - it doesn't believe your ipod can play them. |
| 22:38:15 | webguest54 | oh. how do I find my music then? |
| 22:38:33 | linuxstb | Using Rockbox's database feature - tagcache. |
| 22:38:43 | linuxstb | It's documented in the manual. |
| 22:39:29 | bluebrother | lowlight, looks awkward to me. |
| 22:39:45 | bluebrother | webguest54, see http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 22:40:08 | linuxstb | lowlight: Interesting idea... But weird :) |
| 22:40:22 | webguest54 | there's calendars, contacts, notes and photos, but no other directories |
| 22:40:48 | bluebrother | too much empty space. |
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| 22:41:01 | synic | anyone use the bloodrain theme? what is that icon at the very top right of the screen? |
| 22:41:17 | bluebrother | imagine it on the photo with a small font :( |
| 22:41:42 | linuxstb | webguest54: Your music is inside a hidden directory called iPod_Control. Whilst in the file browser, press and hold MENU until the quick-menu comes up, then press PLAY to change the "Show Files" option to "All" |
| 22:43:04 | belze | i got a quick question, is wma anywhere near to playback in rockbox? |
| 22:43:26 | bluebrother | belze, see the FS entry on that. |
| 22:43:30 | linuxstb | Maybe, maybe not. One person has been working on it for about 6 months, but hasn't shared any code recently. |
| 22:44:02 | bluebrother | FS #4984 |
| 22:44:10 | synic | ok.. one more. If I have a 30GB ipod video, what should I set the batter type to in rockbox? |
| 22:44:47 | linuxstb | synic: Ignore that option. It's only used to display an estimated remaining runtime, and that runtime estimate hasn't been calibrated for the ipods anyway. |
| 22:45:02 | belze | bluebrother: yeah, found it, thx |
| 22:45:13 | synic | hrmm... I just ask because the apple firmware says the battery is full... rockbox doesn't seem to know what's going on. |
| 22:45:24 | synic | says 80% full... and it doesn't seem to ever go above that |
| 22:45:38 | linuxstb | That's not related to the capacity setting. |
| 22:45:50 | belze | i think the battery option only calculates the running time of the battery |
| 22:46:01 | lowlight | linuxstb, bluebrother: I agree...but not too bad for only an extra 20 lines of code :) |
| 22:46:20 | bluebrother | if this is only 20 lines ... indeed. |
| 22:46:41 | lowlight | Like I said earlier, I'm not really into pretty gui's for the settings |
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| 22:47:06 | bluebrother | is that horizontal "slider" widget not able to get drawn vertical? |
| 22:48:33 | lowlight | what do you mean? |
| 22:48:38 | bluebrother | that's gui_scrollbar_draw, isn't it? |
| 22:48:53 | lowlight | yes |
| 22:50:25 | bluebrother | ah, found it. |
| 22:52:02 | lamed | would someone please explain me the second and third row in the button table struct system?! |
| 22:52:02 | lamed | { ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_ON, BUTTON_NONE }, |
| 22:53:02 | billodo | one can view jpg photos w/RB on X5 or H340, correct? |
| 22:55:18 | * | bluebrother is temped to play with that ... |
| 22:57:44 | lamed | pixelma: this is the first on my todo list, very likely to be done in the following weekend, thanks for spotting |
| 22:59:00 | mirak_ | linuxstb: so you aren't interested ? :-/ |
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| 23:00:31 | lowlight | hmmm...the scrollbar only seems to fill left-to-right or top-to-bottom. |
| 23:01:40 | linuxstb | mirak_: Is it just the Coldfire idct you want to get committed? |
| 23:02:09 | bluebrother | hmm, is there a way to invert the bar of gui_scrollbar_draw? It's upside down atm. |
| 23:03:48 | linuxstb | I guess you would need to introduce another value for the "orientation" parameter. |
| 23:03:59 | mirak_ | linuxstb: that's the interesting part for others to see. The other changings are just arrays put to iram, anybody can do that. my idct just need a DCTblock of size 128 bytes instead of 64. it's in mpeg_dec struct. |
| 23:04:03 | pixelma | lamed: I couldn't avoid it ;) - and thanks |
| 23:04:36 | lowlight | bluebrother: that's what I just said...gui_scrollbar_draw needs to be modified...maybe add VERTICAL_UP/DOWN orientation |
| 23:06:52 | linuxstb | mirak_: If you make a patch, I'll have a look. |
| 23:08:06 | mirak_ | ok then it will be a a patch for all the plugin |
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| 23:09:31 | linuxstb | mirak_: What do you mean? |
| 23:09:41 | lamed | pixelma: it's ""fixed"" for now |
| 23:09:57 | mirak_ | linuxstb: a patch for the array I put in iram |
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| 23:10:05 | mirak_ | in vlc.h |
| 23:10:54 | webguest96 | are there any security addons to lock people out of files? |
| 23:11:16 | webguest96 | like if the player is stolen etc |
| 23:11:29 | lamed | if you through your player on the floor for a couple of times you' |
| 23:11:43 | lamed | ll get a totall hardrive lock |
| 23:12:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:12:05 | lamed | :P but that's actually a very nice idea |
| 23:12:25 | bluebrother | ignoring the fact that the bar is inverted I have something pretty similar to my mockup of earlier :) |
| 23:12:49 | pixelma | lamed: you commented it out for now - maybe changing the keymap code is something for jdgordon... |
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| 23:14:15 | lamed | as i said, i'll prob do it 2morw |
| 23:15:04 | pixelma | great ;) |
| 23:15:12 | mirak_ | on coldfire I need to acces a large part of sdram in bytes only. Can it be faster to copy the sdram block to iram, then do byte acces to that iram ? |
| 23:16:32 | linuxstb | mirak_: I would prefer it if your patch didn't touch IRAM - we need to be careful not to slow down the ipods, so it would need more testing. |
| 23:18:19 | mirak_ | linuxstb: and for the decoder struct ? |
| 23:18:43 | mirak_ | this one can be in between ifdef cpu_coldfire |
| 23:21:00 | linuxstb | Is it worth the 17KB of IRAM? What improvement does it give? |
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| 23:23:07 | mirak_ | linuxstb: I am sure it's worth to have most of the arrays in iram exept the big one of 16k |
| 23:23:40 | mirak_ | having DCTblock to iram alone is a huge boost. |
| 23:24:07 | mirak_ | unfortunaly profiling crashes mpegplayer |
| 23:24:16 | Bagder | rockbox-lounge.com is now asking for donations |
| 23:24:26 | Bagder | due to their legal issue |
| 23:24:34 | Bagder | all in german on their site |
| 23:24:56 | linuxstb | What are their legal issues? |
| 23:25:01 | Bagder | the legal thing there being a trademark on the Rockbox name |
| 23:25:11 | Bagder | or almost Rockbox at least |
| 23:25:40 | linuxstb | Can you say who? |
| 23:26:08 | Bagder | I think the company is named "Rock Box" or possibly "Rock-Box" |
| 23:26:47 | linuxstb | Are they an audio company? |
| 23:27:15 | bluebrother | oh. That slider patch didn't remain the status bar setting. |
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| 23:27:56 | Bagder | I think they're on http://therockbox.de/ |
| 23:27:58 | * | linuxstb counts 8 out of the top 10 "Rockbox" hits on google are for us... |
| 23:28:06 | Bagder | and they own rockbox.de |
| 23:28:34 | Bagder | but yeah, it involves music-related stuff |
| 23:29:04 | linuxstb | Nasty... |
| 23:29:22 | linuxstb | Any progress on our own legal issue? |
| 23:29:43 | Bagder | I haven't got any recent update, no |
| 23:31:38 | bluebrother | those legal guys are always strange ... the letter tells rockbox-lounge.com offers a software named "Rock Box". |
| 23:32:07 | Bagder | I love it how they pay attention to details... not |
| 23:32:37 | linuxstb | I'm sure they would be happy to stop offering "Rock Box" |
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| 23:33:30 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:33:53 | Bagder | bluebrother: does the letter just tell them to stop distributing the software? |
| 23:34:11 | bluebrother | no. |
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| 23:34:45 | bluebrother | should I try to translate it for you? |
| 23:35:12 | Bagder | nah, I wanted to grasp the core meaning |
| 23:36:08 | Bagder | "I just" |
| 23:36:20 | Bagder | hey LinusN, feeling better now? |
| 23:36:43 | LinusN | a little |
| 23:37:34 | petur | ill? |
| 23:37:56 | petur | too much beer? |
| 23:38:21 | bluebrother | Rock-Box has been registered for hard- and software (including others). They discovered rockbox-lounge.com is used and a software called "Rock Box" is offered for download. They are asking why the guys of rockbox-lounge think they are allowed to use those trademarks. |
| 23:38:27 | LinusN | petur: hehe, probably too little |
| 23:38:55 | LinusN | bluebrother: what a funny question |
| 23:38:55 | bluebrother | that's roughly what the first two pages are saying. |
| 23:39:18 | bluebrother | LinusN, indeed. Those legal guys have a funny language. |
| 23:39:51 | bluebrother | in germany there is a law guy who writes a blog. Quite funny and interesting. |
| 23:40:00 | LinusN | i'd say that they have a funny perspective of reality in general |
| 23:40:19 | bluebrother | agreed. |
| 23:40:23 | Bagder | I wonder how the law is interpreted for things like fan sites etc when you just write about something someone else does or use |
| 23:40:33 | petur | they registered Rock-Box for about any type of hardware, Rock Box only for clothing and shoes |
| 23:41:04 | bluebrother | in germany some law guys have discovered they could make quite a lot of money with trademark issues. |
| 23:41:06 | LinusN | still, rockbox-lounge is little more than a fan site |
| 23:41:12 | preglow | how is the practice with trademarks, btw? can you trademark a name someone is already using? |
| 23:41:17 | Bagder | LinusN: it is? |
| 23:41:29 | LinusN | in that perspective |
| 23:41:32 | petur | rofl... they even registered irt for cartoons.. |
| 23:41:37 | Bagder | preglow: not supposedly I think |
| 23:41:41 | LinusN | sure, they may offer patched builds |
| 23:41:45 | lostlogic | ooh, pondlife reworking voice! |
| 23:41:55 | preglow | ooh, lostlogic resurfacing! |
| 23:42:01 | * | Bagder jumps, a living lostlogic! |
| 23:42:52 | lostlogic | I have 1 more weekend left in my 'summer of real life' and I do intend to return to the fray after that :) |
| 23:42:56 | lostlogic | hey guys |
| 23:43:08 | preglow | so, you've still got summer |
| 23:43:11 | preglow | lucky bastards |
| 23:43:13 | * | amiconn returns |
| 23:43:29 | lostlogic | ahh and thank god he undid slasheri's re-breaking of some stuff I'd fixed. I knew I liked pondlife. |
| 23:43:44 | LinusN | :-) |
| 23:43:48 | lostlogic | preglow: haha, highs of 70f still, maybe even 80 this weekend |
| 23:44:16 | preglow | lalalalalalalalalaal§ |
| 23:44:18 | * | amiconn fires up the calculator :/ |
| 23:44:51 | amiconn | Hmm, about the same temperatures as we have here |
| 23:45:34 | lostlogic | yeah, I considered doing the calculatoin for you europeans, but I was lazy. |
| 23:45:48 | amiconn | ~21..26 °C |
| 23:45:55 | bluebrother | hmm, they have "rockbox optimized" ... |
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| 23:46:12 | bluebrother | I thought that was changed to "experimental" |
| 23:46:24 | Bagder | I thought so too |
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| 23:46:43 | Bagder | but anyway, I can see how they distributing software called Rockbox is an issue |
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| 23:47:22 | Bagder | but then, I don't know law |
| 23:47:40 | petur | the first page is interesting as they refer to rockbox.org so they are adressing the wrong person there |
| 23:48:03 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:49:37 | preglow | and yeah |
| 23:49:39 | bluebrother | crazy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abmahnung |
| 23:50:00 | preglow | do german trademarks apply in sweden? :> |
| 23:50:05 | Bagder | no |
| 23:50:07 | mirak_ | linuxstb: I did the patch. logins are not same than wiki on patch tracker ? |
| 23:51:09 | Bagder | but there are "common" trademarks for the whole EU |
| 23:51:15 | bluebrother | the point is that those "Abmahnungen" are expensive in germany. Nice way for some law guys to make money. And usually the suspected persons can't afford to answer back :( |
| 23:51:28 | LinusN | where can i read that letter? |
| 23:51:37 | Bagder | LinusN: there's a link on their site |
| 23:51:44 | Bagder | in that forum thread |
| 23:51:57 | petur | a zip with the scanned pages |
| 23:52:01 | bluebrother | it's potographed letter pages in german. |
| 23:52:25 | Landus | Having a bit of a problem. Anyone feel like helping? |
| 23:52:29 | petur | http://rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=832 |
| 23:52:35 | lamed | −−> there's a new cgiirc with major bugfixes −−? |
| 23:52:42 | bluebrother | Landus, depends on the problem ;-) |
| 23:52:46 | Landus | Alright. |
| 23:52:48 | Landus | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5596 |
| 23:52:56 | Landus | That's a similar problem to what I'm having. |
| 23:53:05 | Landus | Instead of albums showing up twice, it's tracks. |
| 23:53:19 | Landus | I posted a comment to that and included a screenshot in it. |
| 23:53:24 | amiconn | LinusN, Bagder: Speaking about cgiirc - the new version seems to have problems with Firefox (again) |
| 23:53:25 | Landus | The thing is, I'm not using an iPod. |
| 23:53:43 | amiconn | Logging in takes _ages_, and the connection drops often |
| 23:54:05 | Landus | And I dunno know why the same track is being scanned twice, sort to speak. |
| 23:54:08 | lamed | amiconn: he claims to fix firefox issues in the changelog... |
| 23:54:15 | bluebrother | Landus, that bug pretty surely applies to all platforms. |
| 23:54:30 | lamed | anyways good night everyone. cya soon :) |
| 23:54:32 | Landus | But the tracker says it's specific to iPod 5G. |
| 23:54:39 | Landus | Just clarifying that. |
| 23:54:45 | | Quit lamed ("it's so late!") |
| 23:54:57 | Landus | Anyway, that's besides the point. Does anyone know why that's happening? |
| 23:56:06 | Landus | Heh. Thanks. |
| 23:56:25 | bluebrother | ok, changed it to all targets. But this should be clear from the comments already |
| 23:56:35 | bluebrother | as tagcache is present on all targets. |
| 23:57:04 | Landus | If I had made the initial entry, I would've put down all targets. |
| 23:57:11 | Landus | Anyway, does anyone know why this happens? |
| 23:57:12 | mirak_ | linuxstb: I added the patch to the tracker but did a bad move and it's in the bug category |
| 23:57:18 | Landus | There doesn't seem to be a pattern to this, either. |
| 23:57:40 | mirak_ | can I edit a task in the tracker ? |
| 23:58:17 | linuxstb | mirak_: I've just edited it. |
| 23:58:18 | Landus | I've got several albums by John Williams, but only the tracks from the Star Wars soundtrack are displayed twice when looking at the ID3 database. |
| 23:58:38 | mirak_ | linuxstb: thanks |
| 23:58:50 | Landus | But the tracks I have for Jurrasic Park and Memoirs of a Geisha aren't displayed twice. |
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