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#rockbox log for 2006-09-16

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00:06:51xmixahlxso this is where we wait to pounce on preglow, huh
00:10:23hardeeppreglow groupies?
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00:10:55xmixahlxhi preglow, i was going to ask you if you had snowgoon's musepack patches still
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00:15:31preglowxmixahlx: why'd you want those?
00:15:48preglowxmixahlx: also, which patches?
00:16:02*amiconn spots an active hardeep
00:16:34amiconnhardeep: There is a small playlist related problem:
00:17:35amiconnIt's possible to start a shuffled playlist in 2 ways, (1) by enabling shuffle and adding a folder and (2) by adding adding a folder via 'insert shuffled'
00:18:20amiconnBut if you choose method (2), and do that directly after boot (i.e. without using the PRNG otherwise before), it always produces the same order for a certain folder
00:19:15Seedpreglow: to attempt to compile for Linux and Windows with all of the latest improvements
00:19:49amiconnObviously the PRNG isn't seeded with the tick in that case, but I think th efix isn't trivial. Somehow the seed needs to be stored in .playlist_control ...
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00:20:18preglowSeed: i see no reason why that shouldn't work like a charm, so go ahead
00:20:27Seedit doesn't :)
00:20:36preglowSeed: i've heard no complaints from users since i commited them
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00:26:56spincycleanyone have any advice - i may have bricked my iriver...
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00:27:35BHSPitMonkeyget a job
00:27:38BHSPitMonkeywork for a week
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00:27:43spincycleat least it has frozen and will not turn off
00:27:46BHSPitMonkeybuy an iPod.
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00:28:22spincyclei would have bought one had i wanted something that does not record
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00:31:00spincycleI was going to the record screen and it says "couldn't load codec: /.rockbox/codecs/mp3_enc.c...
00:31:08spincycleand it won't power off
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00:32:14spincycleand it's frozen
00:32:37spincycleexcept the light will come on when I push a button
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00:33:26spincyclehopefully when the battery dies it will reboot okay
00:33:30rotatorspincycle: what model?
00:33:40spincyclein the meantime I was hoping to get other ideas
00:33:59rotatoruse a paperclip in the reset hole on the bottom
00:34:22rotatorit solves all freezes ;)
00:34:22spincyclei tried that, but it did not seem to purchase - i couldn't feel a button go in at all
00:34:39spincyclei pushed pretty hard
00:35:09spincyclei'll try again
00:35:13rotatorit's a hardware reset, so either you didn't press it or it's physically broken
00:35:37rotatoryou shouldn't have to press hard at all
00:38:47preglowsurprise for: me
00:38:58preglowi can use far more precision for the shelving filters than i do
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00:39:14preglowrotator: hi, any flac stuff happening?
00:39:16spincycleokay, i found a different instrument to push it and it worked. thanks. obvious..
00:39:31rotatorpreglow: been too busy with school lately :/
00:39:42rotatorso no
00:40:30rotatorthe seeking patch is more or less done, I've had one report of a short left not skipping to the beginning of the track properly
00:40:41rotatorbut I can't reproduce it so far
00:40:54preglowthen i'd say it's ready for commit
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00:41:48rotatorI need to look over it a bit more, there may be a little cruft left over from libflac
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00:43:26rotatorand it unfortunately seems to suffer a bit more than other codecs when it comes to triggering the seeking backwards near the end of the track bug
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00:44:25rotatorseeking can overshoot the target a bit initially then need to seek backwards a few frames
00:44:59rotatorso, from a user's perspective, even seeking forward near the end of the track can trigger the bug
00:47:03rotatoryep, but not much I can do about it
00:47:13rotatorI could change the seeking algorithm to never overshoot, but then it's too conservative and much slower
00:47:23preglownah, just forget that
00:47:25rotatorbut that really not the proper solution
00:47:34preglowit's my understanding that metadata on buffer is going to solve that issue for good anyway
00:48:15rotatorthat's what I understand too. is lostlogic coming back to work on playback anytime soon? :>
00:48:23preglowhe said he plans on coming back
00:48:24amiconnpreglow: How?
00:48:36preglowamiconn: no idea, that's just what lostlogic says
00:49:42amiconnFrom my understanding the problem with seeking near the end of a track is that the codec is already done with it, and the codec thread switched to the next track
00:49:51preglowyup, that's why
00:49:54amiconnI can't see how metadata on buffer would change taht
00:49:55preglowdon't ask me how it's going to solve it
00:50:37*preglow writes his first rockbox doxygene comment
00:51:14rotatorare there plans to start using doxygen?
00:51:36preglowi just noticed a couple of function headers i had that just look prettier when formatted like doxygen does
00:51:42amiconnpreglow: Hehe, in fact hwcodec may have the very same problem with very low-bitrate tracks
00:51:44rotatorheh, ok :)
00:53:54preglowi've found out that i use too many bits for absolutely nothing in the eq shelving filters
00:53:56preglowso i'll do a small update
00:54:38markunpreglow: the wma patch will have to wait (unless someone else does it)
00:54:48preglowok by me
00:54:59amiconnpreglow: Speaking about too many bits - some part(s) in the core seem(s) to use 64 bit arithmetic including division. I wonder whether that's avoidable...
00:55:27preglowmight be
00:55:54preglowwhat part of the core?
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00:56:12pregloweq.c is pretty much dependent on it
00:56:36preglowi'm no fixed point expert, so feel free to have a look
00:57:11amiconnSeems like it's dsp and eq
00:57:29amiconnOh, and metadata
00:57:29preglowyes, like i said eq.c pretty much needs the division to maximise accurace
00:57:42markunWhy do all the codecs have two codec_api structs? (rb and ci)
00:57:56preglowmarkun: leftover stuff, and because of DEBUGF
00:58:03amiconnIt's only one struct, but 2 pointers
00:58:04preglowi tried to remove much of it a while ago
00:58:16amiconn(or even just a #define'd alias)
00:59:25preglownow, to my surprise, even peaking filters waste a bit
01:02:29amiconnWow, the 64 bit division routines are >1KB of code each (signed and unsigned) on coldfire...
01:02:38preglowbig monsters
01:02:44preglowi suspect they're horrible inefficient
01:04:01preglowamiconn: i think those routines are written in c these days...
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01:05:39hardeepamiconn: sorry, was afk. regarding the problem you reported, why would the seed need to be saved in .playlist_control? in case of insert shuffled, we specify the index where the track is inserted so resume should work correctly
01:07:44amiconnAlso when inserting a folder shuffled?
01:08:53hardeepamiconn: no, in that case we use the dirplay mode and the seed is saved as part of the shuffle command
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01:09:41amiconnDid you try to reproduce the effect?
01:10:00hardeepi was just about to. you're right about needing to set the seed, that part i will fix
01:10:09hardeepbut it should be a pretty simple fix
01:11:37amiconnpreglow: Even the 64 bit multiplication is sub-optimal. I have a version that needs 22 instructions and no branch, the gcc version needs 25 insns including one branch (not counting the register saving and operand fetching)
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01:12:51preglowamiconn: i know, did you submit that to them?
01:13:02preglowyou should
01:13:13amiconnI don't think I'll ever submit code to the gcc project myself
01:13:15preglowi sincerely doubt they'd care, but hey...
01:14:04preglowamiconn: i wonder how huge the arm 64 bit divide is... arm even needs to emulate the basic 32 bit divide
01:14:14amiconnI'll check
01:15:12amiconn1416 bytes (signed) / 1324 bytes (unsigned)
01:15:35preglownot too bad
01:15:47preglowthe coldfire one really has to be lousy then
01:15:54amiconn320/272 bytes for 32 bit (s/u)
01:16:58amiconnColdfire has that built in (and it even gets used since the -m5206 change)
01:18:21amiconnSH1 needs less code due to its basic division support
01:18:32amiconn(less code than arm that is)
01:18:39preglowbut yeah
01:18:52preglowdoes any of the code with 64 bit arithmetic run on sh1?
01:19:03amiconnNot in the core
01:19:12preglowthen ok
01:19:14amiconnI meant the 32 bit division
01:19:18preglowcan't say i care much then
01:19:27preglowwe won't be rid of most of it on swcodec anyway
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01:24:03*amiconn wonders why spacerocks needs floating point and 64 bit multiplication ....
01:24:45*amiconn greped for 'muldi3' in the .map files
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01:35:17rotatorheh, finally got around to testing the most recent musepack commits
01:35:29preglowshould be sweetness
01:35:32rotatoreven my q10 files no longer boost
01:35:40preglowi know, it rockbs
01:35:47rotatorand seeking works great :p
01:36:11rotatorit must be pretty competitive with mp3 now
01:36:20preglow'tis indeed
01:36:33preglowsnowgoon did wonders
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01:36:48rotatorthat he did
01:37:31preglowlooks like we've got ourselves a new more precise fsin and fcos
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01:51:39hardeepamiconn: looks like that fixes the problem. resume's working fine
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02:16:28vertic23hey, some party people awage? :)
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02:40:17safetydanpreglow, did you find out what that Remez stuff was in the fixed point code I linked to yesterday?
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02:56:10ROBO-CUTany ideas how to start my ipod nano after installing rockbox? it all looked fine and then i turned it off and now i cant start it :|
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03:05:53Soapdoes it need a good charging?
03:05:56*Soap nods
03:06:14SoapOr do you just need to press the select button.
03:06:27SoapI'll give you 13:2 odds it is one of those two.
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03:08:14ROBO-CUTim not sure
03:08:24ROBO-CUTthe select button?
03:08:58ROBO-CUTyeah nothing happens
03:09:06Soapgive it a good charge.
03:09:09ROBO-CUTand when i plug it in the usb its still all dead
03:09:14scorcheor menu+select
03:09:16Soappaitence my son
03:09:19ROBO-CUTshouldnt it be like "dont disconnect" or something?
03:09:20scorchesounds like charging
03:09:28ROBO-CUTill let it charge then hehe.. thanks
03:09:36Soapnanos apparently don't like the deep discharge
03:09:51Soapthey act all funky
03:10:01ROBO-CUThm weird
03:10:18scorchevideos act pretty funky on low battery too
03:10:21scorchewell, 5gs
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03:34:18preglowsafetydan: not what it was, no, but it works just fine
03:34:24preglowsafetydan: beats the cordic code pretty nicely
03:35:21markunpreglow: got wma to compile now with a lot of warnings. Will work on it some more.
03:35:41preglowmarkun: cool
03:35:45preglowi'll go work on sleeping some
03:35:57markunShould do that too
03:36:13linuxstbmarkun: Do you think it's committable?
03:36:18markunno way
03:36:54markunbut you can take a look at it later
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03:56:50gopphey one question
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03:57:01goppwhy does the 8 gig ipod cost the same as teh 30 gig ipod
03:57:07goppI know hardware cost
03:57:10goppbut consumer wise
03:57:22goppI mean consumer would benfit from 30 gig
03:57:24goppif same price
03:57:34GaloisI'd rather have the 8GB
03:57:42Galoisit's smaller, the battery lasts longer, and it never skips
03:57:56goppoh the 30 gigs skips
03:58:11Galoisthe 30 gig doesn't really skip, but it can
03:58:59goppit laptop hd in that device
03:59:02goppam I correct or no
03:59:13goppand nano is flash based
03:59:37Galoisthe 30 GB one has a hard drive quite a bit smaller than the ones in laptops
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05:19:40old45I have compressed a bunch of files using Flack Frontend and did not have a check in the ogg-flack box. If I had put a check in there would more programs be able to play my files?
05:21:28Galoischecking ogg-flac usually reduces compatibility
05:21:50old45That is not good
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05:23:43old45Galos> what is the check mark do? Does it make the files ogg and flac?
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05:36:41RaiderXanyone tested rockbox on a 5g ipod with the new 1.2 firmware? it works right?
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05:37:42patbamhi, i'm thinking of installing rockbox on a 4th generation ipod with ubuntu dapper. when i run dmesg, i see all the lines in the docs, but i also see " Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods" −− is that something to be concerned about?
05:38:24RaiderXok nvm my question
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06:26:39BigMachi all
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06:39:13patbamello BigMac
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06:49:12david_can i ask a technical question
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07:07:25unpersonHi, rockbox newbie here. I'm a bit confused, if I'm using Rockbox on a Archos Ondio (flash based) player, is it still the case that there's a seperate boot loader ROM memory to flash?
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10:04:23Quazgaax5 rockbox crashed on me today ;|
10:04:49Quazgaait consistently fucks up when i try changing tracks towards the very end of a track
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11:22:08amiconnBagder: The only build server still using the problematic gcc 4.1.2 snapshot is So upgrading that server to the latest snapshot will get rid of the synth.c warnings in the build table
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11:34:50markunpreglow, linuxstb: I made a patch against current cvs (with conflicts). Maybe you have more luck because my 'fixed' version doesn't work very well.
11:35:13markunI'm talking about the WMA patch btw
11:35:48amiconnDoes the whole, unchanged thing work?
11:36:57markunI couldn't get it to compile without updating
11:38:20JdGordonyay! zxbox is in cvs :)
11:38:29JdGordondo we need to get roms/equiv for it?
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11:39:24JdGordonah ok
11:39:38JdGordoni'm asuming the roms are about the same legality as gameboy roms?
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11:40:28markunok, the wma2wav decoder worked in my 'fixed' version but decoding 3 seconds takes a few minutes running at 100% CPU
11:41:08linuxstb_markun: Wow...
11:41:41linuxstb_JdGordon: Spectrum games seem to be legally available here: - they've gone to the effort of seeking permission from the publishers.
11:41:43markunlinuxstb_: I might have done some things wrong while fixing the conflicts (and getting the code to compile)
11:42:07markunlinuxstb_: btw, the test was done in the simulator
11:42:21JdGordonlinuxstb: ah cool
11:42:28linuxstb_markun: Something must be wrong then...
11:42:38JdGordonsim city! :D
11:42:41markunlinuxstb_: can you take a look at it?
11:43:02markunmost of the conflicts are easy to fix
11:43:16linuxstb_markun: Yes, I will do.
11:43:27JdGordon <- if this is the game i tinhk it is... i loved it on pc!
11:43:47linuxstb_JdGordon: Was the spectrum popular in Australia?
11:44:02JdGordonlinuxstb_: no idea.. ive never heard of it before... before my time
11:44:17JdGordonwhats the speed like on the h300?
11:44:39markunlinuxstb_: marsdaddy used .wam as the file extension, should be .wma right?
11:44:40linuxstb_It's probably slow - there's been no effort to optimise it for the Coldfires afaik.
11:45:51linuxstb_markun: Yes, but Rockbox already accepts wma as a music file extension (for playlist building on iriver), so I think that's why he avoided it. He possibly wasn't aware of the "open with" viewer option.
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11:48:28linuxstb_markun: You said last night that it wasn't suitable for CVS - was that just because of the warnings? Or are there other things you think are preventing it?
11:49:11linuxstb_I know it doesn't work well, but I think putting it in CVS is the best way for collaborative development.
11:49:19markunbecause of the warnings and because it didn't compile without changes
11:49:59linuxstb_So if someone cleaned it up to compile without warnings, then you wouldn't object?
11:50:07markunFor example there were some problems with the typedefs of uint64_t etc which he didn't need to define himself anyway
11:50:18linuxstb_Yes, I noticed those, and will remove them.
11:50:31markunNo, I wouldn't object at all
11:51:56perplexitylinuxstb_: the Spectrum had a reasonable userbase in Aus, I think it was much bigger in the UK. The C64, Apple ][ were a bit bigger though..
11:52:25proogeven though i use rockbox on my ipod almost all the time, i still use the apple firmware for watching videos. yesterday i updated the apple firmware when i installed itunes 7, and now, rockbox wont boot at all!
11:52:48linuxstb_proog: You'll need to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader - upgrading the apple firmware will wipe it.
11:53:12proogjust follow the manual again?
11:53:14Quazgaacan i watch gayporn on rockbox?
11:53:17linuxstb_proog: Yes.
11:53:42Quazgaai want to have gaysex while watching gayporn on rockbox
11:53:44proogthanks, linuxstb_
11:53:46Quazgaais this possible
11:54:17markunQuazgaa: only without sound
11:54:25Quazgaayeah no joke
11:55:16markunQuazgaa: or do you want to watch images?
11:55:31Quazgaamarkun: do you know lots about gayporn?
11:55:48Quazgaai admire expertise in any field
11:55:54markunno, sorry
11:55:56*scorche wonders where Bagder is...
11:56:30*markun too
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11:57:43Quazgaathat sounds like a gayporn stagename
11:57:50Quazgaa"Yeah, I bagder"
11:57:58Quazgaamaybe it should be Bagdim
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11:58:15markunQuazgaa: about your 'crash while changing tracks at the end of the file' I think I've hearded something like that before
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11:58:35JdGordon.. but your a kunt so we wont bother fixing it :D
11:58:44Bagdimwhen it crashed it gave a "codec failure" message
11:58:51Bagdimand then froze
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11:59:26Bagdimspurious error message or not i dunno
11:59:32Bagdimwas playing oggs at the time
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12:07:07SoapBagder - so what device do you have, and what version of Rockbox are you running?
12:07:13Soapexcuse me
12:07:21SoapBagdim I mean
12:07:47Bagdimcvs 9/10
12:08:13Soapon ogg?
12:08:41Bagdimmost of my files are ogg
12:08:51Bagdimnot sure if the behavior is same for other codecs
12:09:00Bagdimq6 i think
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12:09:38SoapI never skip tracks, so I can't say I've had a chance to see this behavior.
12:10:14zeyeah skipping tracks towards the end doesn't sound like a typical scenario :p
12:10:31ze5 seconds left "ok now i'm sick of this track"
12:10:46Bagdimwell it usually more like
12:10:59Bagdim"i dont necessarily want to listen to this track ALL DAY, but maybe one more time"
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12:14:08SoapI'm an album type. I believe an album is a sacred collection, and should only be listened to as a whole.
12:14:39zesome albums are made that way
12:14:45Bagdimmostly when the album itself is sacred
12:14:48zethen again some albums are just an ad-hoc collection or tracks
12:15:46Bagdimmaybe in my seedy old age ive simply acquiesced to listening to less than sacred albums
12:16:11Bagdimin my younger days it was strictly album-through listening
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12:20:04proogto update rockbox (on ipod) to the newest build, do i just replace the rockbox.ipod file?
12:21:35scorcheand the folder (in case something was added to that)
12:21:37linuxstbproog: No, you should unzip the entire file onto your ipod.
12:22:13linuxstbmarkun: Did you get problems with the sin/cos not being found?
12:22:20linuxstb^sin/cos functions
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12:26:16markunlinuxstb: no
12:26:46linuxstbDid you compile for a target or just the sim?
12:26:48markunbut I have some files complaining about AVOption not being found before I included the right header file
12:27:04markunI compiled it for the gb sim
12:28:00markunI'll try the ipod 5g
12:28:29linuxstbI just commented out the definition of AVOption, and that fixed those warnings.
12:29:14linuxstbI've just compiled for a sim, and it worked. So it's still needing floating point sin/cos functions - but those are just used to initialise a table, so we should pre-generate that table.
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12:30:38linuxstbBTW, I didn't look at your patch, I just took marsdaddy's tarball and copied the new files and folders to a current CVS tree, and changed the Makefiles appropriately.
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12:38:05markunlinuxstb: he also implemented a more complex malloc. Is it needed?
12:39:05linuxstbMaybe - if his code is using malloc and free a lot. But we should try and get rid of all mallocs.
12:39:36linuxstbTrying the wma2wav plugin just gives me the following splashes (repeating): "Fail 2351", "Fail 2892", "Ret from 2010"
12:41:09LearTremor could use a better malloc...
12:41:42linuxstbmarkun: Did he change the malloc in the codeclib? If so, I didn't incorporate that in my version.
12:42:27markunyes, he did
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12:53:47desowinare there precompiled builds with scrobbler support for ipod mini 2nd gen ?
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12:55:53webguest47JdGordon: have you seen this thread, seems you broke the viewer bookmark
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12:57:09webguest47seems that you broke it at v1.32
12:58:33linuxstbdesowin: Have you looked in the "Unofficial Builds" forum at ?
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12:59:57linuxstbmarkun: Once I incorporated the new malloc, it's working, but VERY slowly...
13:00:14linuxstbHopefully that's just debugging messages slowing it down.
13:01:08amiconnI don't expect 64bit fixed point to be fast...
13:01:49linuxstbOn a 2.8GHz Xeon?
13:02:15linuxstbI'm just trying it in the sim...
13:02:48desowinlinuxstb: I found this but there's no mini 2nd gen build
13:03:02linuxstbIt still needs floating point sin/cos (during initialisation), so doesn't build for the target.
13:03:52linuxstbdesowin: You should post in that forum asking if the person compiling the builds can create a mini 2nd gen build. Or learn to compile yourself - there's plenty of documentation available.
13:04:39desowinI'll compile it by myself then
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13:36:06desowincan I get older cvs snapshots ? (audioscrobbler patch doesn't apply with newest one)
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13:36:41Bagderdesowin: use cvs to checkout a suitable date
13:38:46*linuxstb wonders if a lack of inlining is the speed problem for the WMA decoder
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13:48:54webguest72Any progress with the Sansa reverse engineering then?
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13:53:57synichrmm... any particular reason that having the TagCache on auto update would constantly say "Tag cache is not read" when I add new files and try to browse?
13:54:07synicthen when I reboot... /only/ the new files show up
13:54:43FebsTime to burst some Head-Fi bubbles:
13:55:56SoapFor those who think that merely turning on the hardware EQ improved the sound, you apparently enjoy large amounts of bass and treble boost.
13:56:16FebsYou like that?
13:56:16Soap _that_ is going to send some of them into super-duper-defensive-mode.
13:57:01FebsThat's OK. It is the truth.
13:57:30*Febs pictures Jack Nicholson screaming at the Head-Fiers, "you can't handle the truth!"
13:57:31SoapI'm waiting for some lenghty/crazy descriptions of how that can't be the case, and there was some other (obscure) explanation for what they heard.
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13:58:26SoapI missed the discussion on the three middle peaking filters. Why are they not working?
13:59:02*Febs looks at safetydan.
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14:05:05linuxstbSoap: No-one knows... We don't have the exact datasheet for the audio codec chip, so have been working with one that (up to now) has proved to be 100% compatible. So either those filters don't exist on the chip in the 5gs, or they are accessed differently, or there's a silly bug no-one has noticed.
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14:13:55preglowmy oh my
14:15:32SoapAhh, so it's not like they /were/ working and now aren't. It is that the assumption was they were working based on the assumed compatibility with the known chip, and then later discovered they weren't.
14:15:50SoapThat's where I was confused.
14:17:14*safetydan looks innocent
14:17:19safetydanthe data sheet lied I tell you
14:18:34*linuxstb notices wma2wav writing a logfile which is growing rapidly to 100s of MBs...
14:18:46linuxstbI guess that explains the lack of speed.
14:19:34FebsPerhaps we should change the labels on the hardware EQ from "Peak Filter 1" to "Placebo Filter 1" etc.
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14:20:24safetydanor more seriously, remove the menu and make them treble and bass boost/cut
14:20:29safetydanand on that note
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14:25:07preglowlinuxstb: does it decode audio at all?
14:25:22linuxstbYes, something is coming out...
14:25:23preglowlinuxstb: also, did you alter markuns tree any?
14:25:42linuxstbI've done it independently from markun.
14:26:00linuxstbI just copied the new files/folders from marsdaddy's tree and added them to a current CVS tree.
14:26:06preglowwhat about posting a patch?
14:28:11linuxstbI will do - I want to fix the biggest issues first though. But I think I'm there now.
14:32:16linuxstbAh yes, disabling the debug out now means the wma2wav plugin in the sim is almost running realtime on my 2.8GHz Xeon...
14:32:23linuxstb^debug output
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14:35:23preglowso what you're trying to say is that it'll need some optimisation??
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14:35:50linuxstbJust a tweak here and there...
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14:49:42Jazz00006 if some one with plugin write experience could take a look at the fore me please i would be enernally greatfull :)
14:50:21Jazz00006eternally greatfull*
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14:57:23markunlinuxstb: will you also try to get of the ffmpeg stuff in the WMA decoder like you did for FLAC?
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15:02:44linuxstbmarkun: Yes, I'll probably have a go at removing more of the ffmpeg stuff. It's harder for WMA though - it uses both the asf parser and the wma decoder. For FLAC, the container format is extremely simple, and I just wrote my own parser based on the documentation, so I didn't need that part of ffmpeg.
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15:11:15linuxstbpreglow: Can you test that this compiles for the sim before I upload it to the patch tracker?
15:11:29linuxstbTrying to compile for the target should fail due to lack of floating point sin/cos
15:11:59linuxstbThere are still lots of warnings - all I've done is fix the errors.
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15:13:37JdGordonamiconn: re the adding the bokkmarking back into viewer.rock... are you going to do it or should i nut it out now?
15:15:37linuxstbpreglow: I forgot a file in that patch, just uploading a replacement now...
15:15:56linuxstbpreglow: Done.
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15:21:05markunJdGordon: how do you think it should work? Just create a .tmark file or something in the same folder?
15:21:23markunI think you could copy/reuse most of the code from bookmark.c
15:22:11JdGordonmarkun: amicons suggestion (which im gonna code coz its the easiest) is keep a lru list of past files at the end fo the config,
15:22:46JdGordoni tinhk after it works the config file should be changed to a text file... or atleast the preferences should be text.. even if the bookmark part is binary
15:23:07linuxstbHow did it work in the past?
15:23:33JdGordoneach file stored the preferences seperatly
15:24:05JdGordonI origionally changed it to have a default file.. whoever commited it changed it to one file.. which broke the bookmarking
15:27:12preglowlinuxstb: where?
15:28:03preglowwhy not on the tracker?
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15:29:35linuxstbpreglow: I'm asking you if you can test it before I upload to the tracker...
15:30:49linuxstbBut please wait 10 seconds, I just noticed another missing file...
15:30:59linuxstbOK, all good again now.
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15:40:17JdGordondoes memcpy() complain if the size param == 0?
15:42:08LearThe C version doesn't...
15:42:50JdGordonasm? is it better if i check it first?
15:45:26LearHad a quick look at the coldfire one, but it is more than 600 lines, so I can't answer that by a quick look... :)
15:45:43JdGordonha ok
15:47:52Learbut it seems ok...
15:48:27*JdGordon is freeking impressed... first time ever i think my code compiled first go!
15:48:37JdGordon.. or i compiled the wrong folder :p
15:49:59JdGordonwoopsies... missed the compile log.. i did get errors...
15:52:30JdGordonyay! segfault
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16:14:43JdGordondoes gdb not handle plugins well or something?
16:14:56JdGordonits refusing to stop at my breakpoints... it just says its there but continues
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16:28:12thegeekJdGordon : make sure there are symbols in the file
16:28:18thegeekis this on linux or windows?
16:29:08JdGordonlinux, and its the rockbox rocks... which is confusing me
16:31:28thegeekI had that exact problem on windows, had to download the latest mingw gdb for it to work
16:32:06*JdGordon starting prince of persia in zxbox on h300 :D
16:32:16JdGordon.. taking a while to load the image tho
16:32:31JdGordonstuck at 33% :'(
16:32:47linuxstbYou mean it's running at 33% speed?
16:32:53linuxstbOr it's stuck...
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16:33:19JdGordonthe loading (?) screen... its a black screen with 34% at the top
16:34:20JdGordonMachine typeZX Spectrum 128K <- thats proably why!
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16:34:46linuxstbI guess so...
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16:37:14JdGordoni dont suppose there is railroad tycoon on the spectrum?
16:39:21JdGordonthese hgames are older than me!
16:41:25PaulJamI have found two bugs in the textviewer, should i create two seperate bugreports, or should i put them in the same flyspray task?
16:49:01*JdGordon cant work this @ 1am!
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16:59:35synicanyone know about the status of this bug? I am having the same problem.
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17:51:39PaulJamCould someone who uses a cvs build try to reproduce a bug for me? (i'm too lazy to install a cvs build to test this)
17:53:12PaulJamin the radio screen navi/select brings up the stations list. if i hold navi/select on a station in this list nothing happens with my build (it should bring up a context menu)
17:56:21PaulJamand another thing: when i have changed the stations list and leave the radio by pressing the stop key the screen that asks if the changes should be saved only flashes for a half second without giving the cahnce to save the preset list.
18:02:06LearWhat should that context menu contain?
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18:11:10LearHm.. Seems the radio screen is in need of converting to using actions...
18:11:20LearAt the very least for the menu callbacks.
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18:41:31leftrightanyone with flyspray authority here ?
18:42:48leftrightcould you please change the category of bug report 6006 from Battery/Charging to Playlist
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18:55:09leftrightBagder, tomas, Zagor, Linus ^^
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19:08:29retro_neoif anyone here as a video iPod, could you please test these files on it, and tell me if they play? and which one you think is best :
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19:21:36webguest95looks like the build table is hanging
19:23:17webguest95hardeep, could you change the category of bug report 6006 from Battery/Charging to Playlist please, thank you
19:23:34hardeepwebguest95: linuxstb already did
19:23:42hardeepwebguest95: are you dunno?
19:23:58webguest95thank you
19:24:29webguest95seems like the function of "Insert" is little understood by many :)
19:24:59webguest95yes thats me
19:25:20hardeepwebguest95: so, you were inserting tracks one at a time into your playlist?
19:25:30hardeepas opposed to inserting a directory and/or playlist
19:25:53webguest95intially 3 then one at a time to figure out the Insert function
19:26:11hardeepwebguest95: how did you insert the initial 3?
19:27:06webguest95Insert three consecutively
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19:27:25hardeepokay, then the behaviour is as expected
19:27:47webguest95yes thats what I thought, but folks are fighting it :)
19:28:22webguest95I started a thread in the forum, and Paul/Llorean disagrees as well
19:28:24hardeepyeah, i've responded to the bug report and forum post
19:28:38webguest95ah cool :)
19:29:05webguest95thanks for clarifying this
19:30:39webguest95perhaps a good explanation of the Insert menu should be "stickied" or placed in the manual, to alleviate confusion over Insert, as not many folks understand it correctly
19:31:03hardeepyeah, probably a good idea
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19:46:18oboSlasheri: ping?
19:46:45Slasheriobo: pong
19:47:09obohi - I'm having a problem with create_thread
19:47:21Slasherihmm, what kind of problem?
19:47:56obothe thread is created, but under OS Stack the value is > 10000, buttons don't respond to well, and the wheel basically doesn't work anymore
19:48:46Slasherihow did you create the thread, and you are probably using an ipod?
19:49:19oboyes, an ipod
19:49:21obounplug_thread_id = create_thread(unplug_thread, unplug_stack, sizeof(unplug_stack), unplug_thread_name IF_PRIO(, PRIORITY_BACKGROUND));
19:49:43obochanged the return from an int to a pointer to the struct
19:50:08Slasherihmm, that seems to be correct. are you creating more threads or just that one thread?
19:50:14obojust one
19:50:18obo(I hope)
19:50:30Slasheribecause if you create more, you need to increase the max number of threads
19:51:14oboas declared in thread.h?
19:51:30Slasheribut where in the code did you call the create_thread, or do you have a patch?
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19:55:04obocreated in unplug.c, which is called from settings_apply
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20:00:01Slasheriobo: you yield() in the thread main loop so that keeps the thread always active
20:00:04Slasheriyou should sleep instead
20:00:49pagefaulthey I love your firmware for my H10, I was just wondering if you guys had any themes or knew where to get any for my player it has a rather odd screen size
20:01:01oboSlasheri: I was using sleep(HZ/4) - still had a very high value (priority?) in the OS Stack screen
20:01:37peturpagefault: there's already one in the wps galery, why not create one yourself?
20:01:38Slasheriobo: do you have one or two numbers in the os stack screen (in the very beginning of the line)?
20:02:01pagefaultpetur: well I am not so great with graphics, better with programming, but I will attempt :)
20:02:36peturpagefault: the easiest way is to tweak an existing one from another target
20:03:21Slasheriobo: the value after the thread status (one character) is the priority
20:03:32Slasheriit sounds very odd if it's that high
20:04:03pagefaultagain thanks a lot for your work on this firmware it is so nice to finally be able to play vorbis on this
20:04:20oboIt's reading: *R 10420 unplug: 0%
20:04:23Slasheriobo: it should be 8 for PRIORITY_BACKGROUND
20:04:37oboyup - I can't understand what I'm doing wrong...
20:04:42Slasheriok, that's interesting. At lest *R means that it's using all CPU
20:04:54Slasheriare all other priorities normal?
20:05:16oboyes, the rest look sane - a few others in state R (running??)
20:05:47Slasheriyep, R = running, S = sleeping, B = blocked (woken by external event) and T = blocked with timeout
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20:06:17pagefaultis the mp3 decoding done by a hardware chip or entirely by software?
20:06:38peturon h10 it's in software
20:07:05pagefaulthmm ok, the reason I ask is I am interested in writing a SPC plugin for my H10 so I can listen to SPC files
20:07:16pagefaultso I was just trying to figure out if I will have enough power to even do it
20:07:19oboSlasheri: using sleep instead of yield - it responds now, but my thread isn't doing anything
20:09:37Slasherido you get any compiler warnings
20:10:22obonope, clean build
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20:14:27oboif I remove the thread, via the menu entry, it leaves a gap in the OS Stacks screen
20:15:02obocreate it again, it's now "S 0 unplug: 4%", and functioning
20:15:36Slasherihmm, what did you do?
20:16:06obojust used the menu entries in the patch to remove and create the thread
20:16:23obobut it shouldn't have a priority of 0
20:16:40Slasheriah.. interesting
20:16:55oboand the first time it was created, it wasn't using any of it's stack space either
20:17:30obofirst time was after the settings were applied at boot, from settings_apply
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20:22:18kpfleming|laptopanybody tried rockbox on the new 5G iPods yet? I need to replace my 60GB 4G that was stolen... and i want to get a 5G 80GB
20:22:35Ribskpfleming|laptop, works okay here
20:22:52Ribsif you liked rockbox on your 4G, you'll like it on your 5G
20:24:04Bagderand the new ones are referred to as 5.5G
20:24:08kpfleming|laptopit's only been a few days, and i am depressed :-(
20:24:13kpfleming|laptopok, 5.5G it is
20:24:30Ribsdo 5.5G ones work with rockbox?
20:24:55peturmost probably not
20:25:05Ribsare the changes major?
20:26:04peturno idea...
20:26:06kpfleming|laptopok, so that was my real question... i was referring to the 5.5G models
20:26:23Bagdernobody has tried Rockbox on one yet afaik
20:26:31Bagderand no Rockbox dev has one
20:26:33Slasheriobo: did you try increasing the MAXTHREADS?
20:26:53Slasheriobo: check also the returned unplug_thread_id->priority
20:26:58Slasherithat should be correct at least
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20:27:28oboI'll try that - but just launched the battery_bench plugin, and that thread was created okay
20:28:22kpfleming|laptopok, i guess i'll take the plunge :-)
20:29:31Slasheriobo: well, i found the problem what might have been wrong.. there was a small bug in remove_thread
20:30:06FebsSlasheri: I've run my 5G for 6 minutes with both crossfeed and software EQ and no skips.
20:30:17Slasheriobo: update to the current cvs and try again
20:30:29oboSlasheri: okay, will do
20:30:34FebsHowever, scrolling is extremely slow.
20:31:05SlasheriFebs: sounds good, unfortunately i can't do much for the scrolling issue without actual ipod
20:31:20SlasheriFebs: but is the scrolling initially normal and then suddenly slows down?
20:31:23Slasheriif so, that sounds normal
20:31:36Slasheriwithout slowing it down, audio would skip
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20:33:04FebsYes, normal scrolling for a few entries and then slowness.
20:33:19Slasheriok, good
20:33:50Slasheribut maybe the problem might be that the wheel needs to be read more often, and ui thread is not the correct place to do the reading
20:34:16Slasheribecause i think ui should start "skipping" but not actually freeze
20:34:38FebsGotta run. I can test more for you later if it's helpful.
20:34:42Slasheriat least it does that on iriver
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20:38:13oboSlasheri: I think I'm going mad.....
20:38:25obogui_syncsplash(HZ*2, true, "%d", unplug_thread_id->priority)
20:38:33obounplug.c:61: error: 'struct thread_entry' has no member named 'priority'
20:41:02Slasherithen that's _really_ weird :D
20:41:02oboyeah, that was my response
20:41:17Slasheridid you include "thread.h"?
20:41:38obofirst include
20:42:15Slasherihmm, what are the priorities for other threads in the debug menu?
20:43:39obothey look okay - all between 4 and 8
20:44:08oboafk - 15 min
20:46:06Slasheriobo: please try make clean
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20:59:07oboSlasheri: been doing that. It seems to be a issue with the include order - thread.h missing some includes?
20:59:27NotAnotherhi all ! i've a little question :
20:59:35Slasheriobo: ah, try include "config.h" first
21:00:29NotAnotherwith foobar on my computer i usually give a rating to my song on the tag %rating% from 0 to 5 and it seems that rockbox can't read this tag
21:00:40NotAnotheris there another way to read the rating of my music ?
21:00:49oboSlasheri: nope - I didn't have that included to begin with, and still breaks
21:01:17NotAnotherbecause the way autorating rate the music isn't very good (maybe just for me)
21:01:56Slasheriobo: hmm :/ weird that it even compiles
21:02:32oboit doesn't with unplug_thread_id->priority in the code
21:10:21oboSlasheri: adding #include "config.h" to thread.h seems to fix it
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21:12:02Slasheriobo: interesting
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21:16:12Slasheriprobably it's then necessary to add that include in thread.h
21:16:30Slasheriwhat do others think, is it a good idea to include config.h in header files?
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21:31:21peturthis is weird... isn't power_history[] updated anymore?
21:31:32peturah now it is...
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21:32:45carlsanmanAnyone here?
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21:33:02peturno ;)
21:33:06petur125 bots
21:33:15peturunless you are one too
21:33:17KOAPSomeone has too much time on their hands.
21:33:25KOAPIm not a bot *clank*
21:33:32KOAPIs anyone else active?
21:33:40*petur hasn't (too much time)
21:34:25KOAPIs there a trivia bot in here?
21:35:39*petur fixes a div by zero :]
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21:37:06dionoeanice ... the threads thing was commited :)
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21:45:54NotAnotherhi all ! i've a little question :
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21:46:27NotAnotherwith foobar on my computer i usually give a rating to my song on the tag %rating% from 0 to 5 and it seems that rockbox can't read this tag ; is there another way to read the rating of my music ? ; because the way autorating rate the music isn't very good (maybe just for me)
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22:01:48lameddoes someone in here knows the new keymap system?
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22:03:23dionoeathe Action stuff ?
22:07:05lamedyeah. I'm trying to figure out why there are two button rows in every table.
22:08:02lamedmmm, that's the _Pre button and stuff
22:09:32lamedcould you explain accuratly? I think the second row is the _PRE button check
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22:10:22dionoeafirst col is the action's id, 2nd col is the button and 3rd is the pre button
22:10:35dionoeaif you don't need a pre button you put BUTTON_NONE
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22:12:19lamedI wonder why haven't he used the original button tables. did he re-do everything from scratch?
22:13:36dionoeamost of it was from scratch i think. But button mapping should be the same as before.
22:13:57lamedno, I see lots of flucks
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22:30:50DTeamdoes rockbox work on nano 2G ?
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22:32:02linuxstb_DTeam: Almost definitely not.
22:32:48DTeamok :(
22:33:46dionoeaApple chip ? :)
22:34:28dionoeacould that still be portal player ? or did apple design a new SOC ?
22:36:12dionoeabrand new chip ?
22:36:31Bagdernot currently supported by us at least
22:36:44DTeamwhy does it not work ? have they changed many hardware ?
22:37:00BagderDTeam: they changed the lot pretty much
22:37:27linuxstb_It's the biggest change since they launched the ipod...
22:37:39Bagderso it will take a new port effort
22:37:40DTeamthat's bad i wanted to try rockbox so much
22:38:03dionoeawell you can start working on the rockbox port :)
22:38:20linuxstb_Or buy an old Nano, or any of the other players Rockbox supports
22:38:25Bagderwe want hires scans of the internals to start with!
22:39:00linuxstb_And a copy of the firmware...
22:39:06DTeamlol i don't have much money
22:39:09dionoeaBagder: pics are available on ipod linux wiki i think
22:39:20Bagdergood pics?
22:39:29dionoeapretty good ... not spectacular
22:39:33dionoeai'll give you the link
22:39:43linuxstb_Pictures of chips with Apple logos and part numbers aren't that useful though...
22:39:57Bagderthey just link to ilounge
22:40:19dionoearight... not good enough then ?
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22:40:33Captain_Amarkun here
22:40:34dionoeawhat details would you need ?
22:40:35Bagderyou can't see many chip details there
22:40:39Captain_Aor any gigabeat users
22:40:50Bagderdionoea: as many markings as possible of all chips etc
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22:47:49linuxstb_Febs: I see no-one has replied to your hw eq post on head-fi...
22:48:53fannayHello. Does anyone know a tutorial on how to install rockbox if you already have ipodlinux and the new bootloader? Please help
22:49:10dionoeaunzip the zip file to you fat partition's root
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22:49:16dionoeaand that should be it i guess :)
22:49:27dionoeamaybe you need to add an entry to the ipodlinux boot loader
22:50:11fannayUmm I dont know how to do that. Is there a tutorial about that sort of stuff?
22:50:28linuxstb_No, the loader will auto-detect rockbox.ipod - unless you've created a config file for the bootloader, in which case you probably know how to add a Rockbox entry..
22:50:49linuxstb_fannay: Just unzip to your ipod, and that should be enough.
22:51:06dionoeaelse you can use :)
22:51:09Captain_Ai've been thinking that the bootloader would be a good idea
22:51:25Captain_Abut i have< 30 gb space left on my hdd
22:51:27DTeamis there a way for me to skin my nano 2g ? (cutom firmware)
22:51:46Captain_Aand have like 28 gb of files on my pod
22:51:46fannayThank you :]
22:51:50fannaywill try now
22:52:09dionoeaDTeam: considering the fact that it's been less than a week since they released those ... i doubt it :)
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22:54:05Captain_Aanyone think they could ballpark how much i'd get on ebay for a 2 month old 5g, minor scuffing on the back andno screen scratches, an iblaster orb that is also < 2 months old, a car charger, wall charger, ipod-tv cable, original box and sync cable?
22:54:20fannaySo I dont need to install anything just need to place the file in my iPod root?
22:54:36dionoeaunzip it :)
22:54:45fannayOh ok thanks
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22:59:28Febslinuxstb, I think that people are too busy debating whether lossless compression sounds different from .wav, and what jitter sounds like.
23:00:05linuxstb_The big issues...
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23:12:47arowis there any way i can use my remote control delivered by my docking station (Ipod nano)
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23:15:12dionoeaarow: the infra red remote ?
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23:19:21dionoeawell it's not possible to use it yet. But i'd love to know how to do it. Unfortunately i only have the dock but no remote so it's kind of hard to test here :(
23:20:03dionoea(paying 40 euros for the remote is kind of ... expensive)
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23:24:47arowi understand
23:25:07arowbut my docking station was only 30 euro :)
23:25:39dionoeawasn't it 40 ?
23:25:52arownope, its not the apple one
23:26:07dionoeaoh, ok
23:26:19arowbut the volume up and volume down does work
23:26:39arowthe rest doesn't function, although it does respond on it
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23:31:34fannayIm back, I did what you said to unzip into my ipod root but it doesnt appear in my bootloader
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23:41:53*petur reads the global notice and suddenly feels very cold
23:42:04peturI ride my bike to work every day
23:42:13dionoeaouch :/
23:42:20Bagderscary indeed, yes
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23:47:50scottderWhen will rockbox support the 2G Shuffle?
23:48:11scottderkiddin ;)
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23:49:13scottderI want Doom on shuffle!
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23:49:34dionoeahehe :)
23:50:55*scottder is holding out for whatever 8gb flash player works first :)
23:51:22Bagderboth are still far away
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23:52:31*scottder is patient :)
23:52:53linuxstb_Can't you put a CF card in an ipod mini?
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23:53:32jhMikeSguess we're not going to have simple ints for thread ids anymore even though nothing should prevent it. don't know why the thread_entry must be public in nature.
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23:54:25peturfeel free to change...
23:54:59BagderI don't see why an int or a pointer matters
23:55:51peturyou're exposing what it is pointing to
23:56:15Bagdertrue, but I don't see the harm in that here
23:56:16jhMikeSIMHO those structures should only be directly manipulated by thread apis...besides declarations of the thread "id" are more tedious...suppose I like things hidden
23:56:32peturaka HANDLE
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23:57:32jhMikeSThread functions can cast it back to a pointer variable...I doubt gcc would generate any actual code to do it.
23:58:21jhMikeSMaybe I'm just full of stupid hangups??
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