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| 00:00:06 | bgmrk1 | and no rockboot |
| 00:00:26 | | Quit klrspz () |
| 00:00:34 | linuxstb_ | Then you missed step d.1) |
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| 00:01:09 | linuxstb_ | So do d.1) and then e) again. |
| 00:01:22 | bgmrk1 | ok |
| 00:01:23 | bgmrk1 | i shall try |
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| 00:02:10 | bgmrk | there we go |
| 00:02:36 | bgmrk | got my name back |
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| 00:11:19 | hardeep | does rockbox build on MacOS 10.4.x? |
| 00:11:42 | barrywardell | yes |
| 00:12:05 | * | petur wonders why it takes so long between a button press and the backlight switching on :( |
| 00:12:05 | hardeep | cool |
| 00:12:15 | hcs | speed of light |
| 00:12:26 | barrywardell | hardeep: you need the patch from the tracker to build the sim |
| 00:12:58 | barrywardell | and need to use rockboxdev.sh or darwinports to install the relevant gcc versions |
| 00:13:29 | bgmrk | yes!!! |
| 00:13:33 | hardeep | hmmm, any reason patch isn't committed to cvs? |
| 00:13:34 | bgmrk | got it working!! |
| 00:13:37 | bgmrk | well the first part |
| 00:13:59 | bgmrk | i'll brb....gotta go mow the lawn :p |
| 00:14:30 | barrywardell | hardeep: the only real issue is that it doesn't make a rockbox.map file because Apple's gcc doesn't support -Map |
| 00:16:55 | hardeep | that doesn't sound like a serious issue imo :) i'd vote for committing the patch |
| 00:18:29 | amiconn | petur: I suspect the priority scheduling. The backlight thread needs to receive & process the message |
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| 00:18:57 | amiconn | Is that with CVS? |
| 00:19:11 | petur | yes |
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| 00:19:34 | petur | it takes about 2.5 seconds to respond |
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| 00:22:46 | barrywardell | hardepp: there's a -M option which outputs to standard output instead of a file. maybe it could use that and be redirected to a file and could work that way, but i'm not familiar enough with makefiles to make it work |
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| 00:25:09 | petur | hey, who reduced recording peakmeter accuracy to every 4th sample? |
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| 00:29:05 | bgmrk | ok back |
| 00:30:38 | bgmrk | .... |
| 00:31:20 | linuxstb_ | petur: Ask cvs... |
| 00:31:26 | bgmrk | wat is: top-level (root) folder on your iPod. |
| 00:31:32 | bgmrk | is that just the ipod drive? |
| 00:31:57 | amiconn | petur: The peak calculation looks rather suspicious |
| 00:33:03 | amiconn | Ah, no, it's some nice trickery... |
| 00:33:10 | bgmrk | ... |
| 00:33:46 | linuxstb_ | bgmrk: Yes. |
| 00:33:50 | bgmrk | ok |
| 00:34:11 | bgmrk | so unzip it to that...and then...disconnect ipod |
| 00:34:14 | petur | amiconn: you mean using long* to walk through the samples? |
| 00:34:30 | jhMikeS | Dumb Q #6639: is there a tool to get .bmp files back from the data? |
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| 00:35:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, rockbox |
| 00:35:22 | amiconn | Display the data using lcd_bitmap(), and then take a screendump |
| 00:35:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok...just sim it...but I need those statubar bitmaps for sample rates...hmmm |
| 00:36:25 | linuxstb_ | Were they added as .c code then? |
| 00:36:33 | jhMikeS | peture: peak calc will be wierder soon |
| 00:37:09 | jhMikeS | amiconn: oh...never mind gotta write a plugin or something, no? |
| 00:39:10 | jhMikeS | I should write a plugin to browse through all images used in the fw. |
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| 00:39:30 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: the bitmaps appear to be yes. they're in the icons file. |
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| 00:39:59 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I just noticed. I wonder why they weren't added using the bitmap build system. |
| 00:40:21 | jhMikeS | or...I could add a "dump images" function to the debug menu. |
| 00:41:26 | nayanigem | Has anyone had any success getting RB onto a 5.5Gen (80GB) ipod? |
| 00:41:37 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: they need to be totally changed. I need individual digits, a "k" symbol, "M", "WV", "WAV" and the like |
| 00:41:53 | linuxstb_ | You should ask Mmmm for the original .bmp files. |
| 00:42:21 | jhMikeS | well I won't wait around if I can get it done in short order! :) |
| 00:42:29 | pixelma | weren't the bmps made by Davide_NYC - might be in the forum thread... |
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| 00:43:48 | jhMikeS | maybe I'll just remake them...and include them in the dist even if not added using the bitmap build system. |
| 00:44:48 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I'm not sure how best to deal with arrays of bitmaps in the build system... |
| 00:44:50 | amiconn | If you need digits, just use the sysfont |
| 00:45:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: There was a big todo about the sysfont and the status bar for SWCODEC...room |
| 00:45:27 | amiconn | The icon bitmap could be strips |
| 00:45:38 | amiconn | bitmaps, even |
| 00:45:47 | jhMikeS | strips? |
| 00:46:14 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but it's nice to be able to just do icons[i] instead of needing the bitmap_part() function and calculating offsets. |
| 00:46:54 | jhMikeS | I think any images should be in the dist even if not built with the bitmap system |
| 00:46:57 | jhMikeS | IMHO |
| 00:47:24 | jhMikeS | In CVS rather...whatever :) |
| 00:47:50 | jhMikeS | Were the icons made using the bitmap build system and then just pasted in? |
| 00:48:04 | linuxstb_ | No, the bitmap build system is relatively new. |
| 00:49:12 | amiconn | bmp2rb is old... using it during the build process is not |
| 00:49:13 | bgmrk | ok here's a dumb question |
| 00:49:21 | bgmrk | how in the world do i turn off my ipod? |
| 00:49:35 | linuxstb_ | Hold play for a few seconds. |
| 00:49:41 | jhMikeS | You can use bmp2rb on idividual files then? |
| 00:49:59 | linuxstb_ | Yes - that's what it was written for. |
| 00:50:10 | bgmrk | doesn't that just put it to sleep? |
| 00:50:21 | linuxstb_ | In the Apple firmware yes, in Rockbox, no. |
| 00:50:29 | jhMikeS | hmmm...since I know the sizes and I have a microsope eyepiece to look at pixles this is easy. |
| 00:50:31 | linuxstb_ | Apple don't let you turn the ipod off. |
| 00:50:40 | bgmrk | oo well i need to start rockbox.... |
| 00:50:47 | bgmrk | and it says to turn off ipod |
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| 00:51:29 | jhMikeS | To turn off eyePod: Wrap in primer cord...detonate |
| 00:51:30 | linuxstb_ | What says that? |
| 00:51:54 | linuxstb_ | to bgmrk :) |
| 00:52:03 | bgmrk | "When you next turn the unit on, Rockbox should load." - rockbox manual |
| 00:52:49 | linuxstb_ | That's wrong for the ipods then... You need to reset it (hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds). |
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| 00:53:14 | bgmrk | does that whipe the ipod? |
| 00:53:22 | bgmrk | or jsut the settings? |
| 00:53:29 | linuxstb_ | No, it just reboots it. |
| 00:53:33 | bgmrk | ok |
| 00:53:53 | bgmrk | haha ok got it |
| 00:53:54 | bgmrk | ty |
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| 00:58:38 | nayanigem | Has anyone had any success getting RB onto a 5.5Gen (80GB) ipod? |
| 00:59:53 | jhMikeS | can other fonts be loaded or just the user's font and the system font? |
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| 01:03:13 | jhMikeS | These are rather like image lists in windows. I guess that's what amiconn means by "strips". |
| 01:03:58 | barrywardell | does anyone know how to decide what number to use for BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR? |
| 01:03:59 | linuxstb_ | nayanigem: I don't think so. It's possible there are some hardware changes which will stop working. |
| 01:04:40 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I think amiconn was suggesting to use a single large bitmap (with the icons arranged in a column), and use lcd_bitmap_part() to display the appropriate icon. |
| 01:05:11 | amiconn | yes... just that I would arrange the icons in a row instead of a column |
| 01:05:41 | jhMikeS | iow: image lists |
| 01:06:19 | jhMikeS | but you can't load a third font with contain just a set of needed chars? |
| 01:06:26 | amiconn | nope |
| 01:06:44 | * | amiconn wonders why so many devs want to 'just load' something |
| 01:06:56 | amiconn | Loading from disk is costly in terms of battery usage |
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| 01:08:46 | jhMikeS | some things might be easier with a font...just a thought |
| 01:10:21 | bgmrk | how do i switch back to normal ipod firmware? |
| 01:13:18 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:13:47 | nayanigem | ty linuxstb_ |
| 01:14:47 | linuxstb_ | nayanigem: No developer has tried to get it working yet though - so we don't know how much work is needed. Could be trivial, could be hard. |
| 01:15:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:16:02 | nayanigem | cool, I'll wait to sell my 30 :( |
| 01:16:28 | nayanigem | I couldn't get the boot loader for ipodlinux on either |
| 01:16:32 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Do you know why those icons are only used on SWCODEC? |
| 01:18:28 | bgmrk | i noticed that doom is an option in the plugins...but i can't play it? why did they do this? |
| 01:18:55 | linuxstb_ | Doom needs WAD files - read the manual or the PluginDoom wiki page. |
| 01:19:10 | bgmrk | ok |
| 01:21:29 | * | linuxstb_ wonders why the various icon arrays are identified by size and not meaningful names |
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| 01:23:36 | webguest52 | hey i have a quesstion |
| 01:24:19 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: space I guess |
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| 01:25:34 | | Quit webguest14 (Client Quit) |
| 01:25:40 | linuxstb_ | I mean why "bitmap_icons_6x8" and not "bitmap_icons_filetypes" ? |
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| 01:27:05 | webguest52 | hey does anyone have a sec to answer my ? |
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| 01:27:35 | linuxstb_ | Just ask your question and you'll find out if anyone can answer. |
| 01:27:45 | webguest52 | k |
| 01:28:11 | webguest52 | i have an iriver h10 can i dual boot into rockbox and the firmware that came with it |
| 01:28:18 | barrywardell | not yet |
| 01:28:38 | barrywardell | it is a planned feature for the future when we figure out how to do it |
| 01:28:52 | webguest52 | do u have an idea when |
| 01:29:01 | markun | no |
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| 01:29:12 | webguest52 | allright cool |
| 01:29:16 | markun | :) |
| 01:29:20 | webguest52 | ooo |
| 01:29:23 | webguest52 | one more thing |
| 01:29:43 | webguest52 | can i play half life on it |
| 01:29:48 | barrywardell | there's no way to tell how long it will take to happen across the right way to get dual boot working |
| 01:30:05 | webguest52 | i can play doom 1 and 2 |
| 01:30:26 | markun | there is a half-life mod for doom |
| 01:30:41 | webguest52 | o do u know whre i would get that |
| 01:30:49 | markun | no idea |
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| 01:31:27 | webguest52 | np |
| 01:31:32 | webguest52 | thank u guys |
| 01:32:52 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: I know know why but they could be "bitmap_icons_filetypes_6x8" to be most descriptive IMO. |
| 01:33:07 | sh | I am looking for info on the MTM809 used in cheap MP3 player/card readers. |
| 01:33:30 | jhMikeS | but I suppose you can see the 6x8-ness in the array anyway. :\ |
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| 01:33:31 | sh | Does [IDC]Dragon still hang around on #rockbox? |
| 01:33:57 | sh | I found a log of him mentioning the MTM809. |
| 01:34:45 | linuxstb_ | He's here very infrequently. |
| 01:34:57 | jhMikeS | Maybe simple image lists should be implemented. Call il_draw(index, x, y) to draw an image |
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| 01:36:32 | amiconn | barrywardell: Is there a reason why you implemented USB behaviour on H10 to be the exact opposite of all the other targets? |
| 01:36:36 | jhMikeS | The il can have a little structure with the cx/cy of the images in the list...so il_draw(il, index, x, y) might make more sensee |
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| 01:36:51 | bgmrk1 | grrr |
| 01:36:57 | barrywardell | amiconn: it seemed to be the most sensible behaviour |
| 01:37:06 | bgmrk1 | i lost the link to maual... |
| 01:37:07 | amiconn | Really? |
| 01:37:12 | barrywardell | we don't have usb support |
| 01:37:19 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I'm not sure if that's need, but the icons definitely need thinking about. |
| 01:37:20 | barrywardell | but the h10 has hardware usb charging |
| 01:37:23 | amiconn | Most of the time I connect USB because I want to transfer something |
| 01:37:42 | amiconn | For charging I usually use the charger |
| 01:38:06 | amiconn | I know that the H10 has USB charging. Several other targets have that as well |
| 01:38:11 | bgmrk1 | o nvm..got it |
| 01:38:16 | linuxstb_ | I charge via USB, but very rarely want to listen whilst charging. |
| 01:38:20 | barrywardell | on the H10, connecting the USB with Rockbox running did nothing but show the image since we don't have a proper usb driver |
| 01:38:48 | amiconn | Rockbox' behaviour is to go into USB mode (or reboot into diskmode on iPod) when USB is plugged, |
| 01:38:48 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: with strips the il_ functions are trivial...really only need il_draw and a structure with the image pointer, cx,cy and maybe number of images. |
| 01:38:57 | amiconn | unless you hold a button |
| 01:39:30 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: How is that different to an array of bitmaps? |
| 01:39:39 | barrywardell | but on the H10, you have to hold the O button while starting up to get into disk mode |
| 01:39:57 | jhMikeS | strips are one bitmap with a buch of equal sized sub images |
| 01:40:05 | amiconn | Is there no magic string or somesuch like on the ipod? |
| 01:40:10 | barrywardell | which is why it made sense to require O to be held while plugging |
| 01:40:22 | barrywardell | no magic string that I know of |
| 01:41:13 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Yes, I know. I'm just saying both achieve the same thing - and we can already use arrays of bitmaps with no new code. |
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| 01:41:19 | jhMikeS | Isn't the 2-d array an array of pointers to arrays of bytes or are they really stored as contiguous bytes? |
| 01:42:19 | linuxstb_ | Think lcd_framebuffer[][] |
| 01:42:29 | barrywardell | it seems to make the most sense to me anyway... |
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| 01:47:49 | bgmrk | ok i'm confused again...how do u put rockboy...or rockdoom on? |
| 01:49:41 | linuxstb_ | Both come installed with Rockbox. Read the manual entries about them. |
| 01:49:47 | linuxstb_ | (or the wiki pages) |
| 01:50:24 | scorche | ...depending on if it currently works on a pecific target... |
| 01:50:36 | scorche | s/pecific/specific |
| 01:51:27 | bgmrk | ok i got doom.... |
| 01:51:32 | linuxstb_ | True, but bgmrk has a 5g - both those plugins work on the 5g. |
| 01:51:41 | bgmrk | :) |
| 01:52:12 | scorche | yeah, but i hadnt read his previous comments ;) |
| 01:52:17 | bgmrk | lol |
| 01:52:25 | bgmrk | ok well for the record.....5g...alll up to date |
| 01:53:40 | bgmrk | :) |
| 01:54:41 | bgmrk | is there a way to run rockbox well the ipod is charging? |
| 01:54:51 | pagefault | my H10 is flashed to UMS mode |
| 01:54:54 | scorche | yes |
| 01:54:57 | bgmrk | ok |
| 01:55:07 | pagefault | so all I do is power on with USB inserted and I get into my drive |
| 01:55:19 | scorche | hold menu while inserting the cable (i think) |
| 01:55:25 | bgmrk | .... |
| 01:55:36 | bgmrk | ok i'll look into |
| 01:55:38 | barrywardell | pagefault: hmm. hadn't thought of that situation |
| 01:55:47 | pagefault | convert your MTP to UMS |
| 01:55:53 | pagefault | it makes it way easier |
| 01:56:06 | barrywardell | i can't. i have a 20gb |
| 01:56:11 | pagefault | oh yeah |
| 01:56:17 | pagefault | I forgot about those models |
| 01:56:19 | pagefault | stupid iriver |
| 01:56:27 | pagefault | they need to release a UMS firmware for that |
| 01:56:29 | bgmrk | wooow....barry is old schooling it |
| 01:56:31 | scorche | sorry, but i dont have an ipod myself...i was hoping other people would chirp in and confirm me...there is always the manual though |
| 01:56:47 | bgmrk | i looked through the manuel... |
| 01:56:55 | bgmrk | didn't help all that much |
| 01:57:03 | barrywardell | so the current USB behaviour for the H10 only really makes sense for MTP models |
| 01:57:57 | bgmrk | does rockdoom have sound? |
| 01:58:16 | pagefault | not that I know of |
| 01:58:22 | bgmrk | grrrr ok |
| 01:58:27 | linuxstb_ | bgmrk: It has sound, but not music. |
| 01:58:37 | bgmrk | ok thats good enough |
| 01:58:42 | bgmrk | :p |
| 01:58:42 | pagefault | ah |
| 01:58:57 | pagefault | maybe it will get music when the midi driver gets finished |
| 01:59:48 | bgmrk | hmm maybe |
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| 02:00:10 | pagefault | i'm trying to port a SPC player right now myself |
| 02:00:19 | pagefault | but I doubt my H10 will have enough power to play it |
| 02:00:53 | scorche | bgmrk: ok...not "(i think)" anymore ;) |
| 02:01:15 | bgmrk | haha ok |
| 02:01:23 | bgmrk | hold menu well pluging it in.... |
| 02:01:31 | bgmrk | seems easy enough |
| 02:01:49 | pagefault | also to modify the firmware to reboot the device when I plug in the usb cable since it does nothing |
| 02:02:06 | bgmrk | hold menu after it's already booted up...... |
| 02:02:15 | pagefault | really? |
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| 02:02:33 | bgmrk | i not sure..i'll try after it's booted up |
| 02:02:53 | pagefault | panic |
| 02:02:54 | pagefault | haha |
| 02:02:57 | bgmrk | lol |
| 02:02:59 | pagefault | thats what I get for using cvs |
| 02:03:31 | pagefault | i'm just so happy it finally has a wmp that doesn't skip |
| 02:04:08 | barrywardell | pagefault: is that a panic on H10? |
| 02:04:18 | pagefault | yep |
| 02:04:19 | pagefault | 5gb |
| 02:04:46 | barrywardell | since my latest commit? |
| 02:04:58 | pagefault | no idea |
| 02:05:01 | linuxstb_ | pagefault: What SPC player are you porting? |
| 02:05:04 | pagefault | I will go get the latest firmware and try again |
| 02:05:15 | pagefault | linuxstb, libconsole from audiacious |
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| 02:05:55 | bgmrk | ok well it hink my ipod is hooked to comp.... |
| 02:05:56 | bgmrk | :p |
| 02:06:12 | pagefault | it's C++ so I might be an issue so we'll see what happens when I try to port it |
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| 02:08:30 | pagefault | updating |
| 02:08:51 | pagefault | I really want an SPC player on this thing |
| 02:09:01 | pagefault | i'm going to probably end up writing one in ARM assembly if I have to |
| 02:10:21 | linuxstb_ | Do you have a link to the source? |
| 02:10:33 | pagefault | yeah |
| 02:10:41 | pagefault | just give me a second |
| 02:11:35 | linuxstb_ | Is it GPL'd ? A lot of emulator-derived code has a "no commercial use" clause in the license which stops us using it in Rockbox. |
| 02:11:48 | pagefault | yes it is GPL |
| 02:12:13 | pagefault | my only concern is that it might not be fast enough |
| 02:12:21 | pagefault | but if it can be ported it will support many console formats |
| 02:12:29 | linuxstb_ | Does it use floats? |
| 02:12:56 | pagefault | not sure I will have to look |
| 02:12:56 | pagefault | http://audacious-media-player.org/release/audacious-1.1.2.tgz |
| 02:13:13 | bgmrk | ... |
| 02:13:26 | bgmrk | ok so i got this demo thing for doom... |
| 02:13:27 | pagefault | check plugins/input/console |
| 02:13:50 | bgmrk | i can't find the wad to actually let me play |
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| 02:15:41 | pagefault | ah it does seem to use floats |
| 02:15:57 | pagefault | I might be able to modify this to used fixed values though |
| 02:17:35 | pagefault | the one we use in zsnes is all fixed point ;) |
| 02:17:43 | pagefault | but of course that is all x86 assembly |
| 02:18:29 | linuxstb_ | It doesn't look too bad. |
| 02:18:45 | bgmrk | ok i got it |
| 02:19:39 | pagefault | but you have all your consoles there though |
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| 02:22:48 | linuxstb_ | rotator: Are you here? |
| 02:22:59 | rotator | linuxstb_: yes |
| 02:24:06 | linuxstb_ | I've got a comment about bubbles. On my 5g and Photo ipods, it's too slow (with the CPU unboosted) and then speeds up when the CPU is boosted (this is when I'm listening to music and playing). On my h140 it seems to be too fast all the time. |
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| 02:26:04 | rotator | i wonder if it's because of the larger color lcd |
| 02:26:40 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the ipod LCDs (both the Photo and 5g) take much longer to do an lcd_update() than the H300. |
| 02:26:59 | rotator | hmm, i might be able to limit the size of the screen updates a bit more |
| 02:27:14 | pagefault | doh |
| 02:27:29 | pagefault | I think the autobuild missed that update for my h10 |
| 02:27:43 | pagefault | i'll soon have a build environment though |
| 02:27:49 | linuxstb_ | rotator: I'm sure that would help. What about the H140 being too fast? |
| 02:28:16 | pagefault | a build environment is a large download on this ftp for some reason bleh |
| 02:28:26 | rotator | linuxstb_: there are a few speed issues like that I'd like to eventually fix up |
| 02:29:00 | rotator | right now the bubbles move a certain distance per frame, i really should should change it to per time step |
| 02:29:29 | pagefault | this is a rather obvious question but does the EQ eat up a lot of cpu time, setting certain settings will cause skipping in songs |
| 02:30:13 | linuxstb_ | The EQ itself doesn't use that much, but the ipods struggle with playback anyway. Turning the EQ on just pushes it over the edge in some cases. |
| 02:30:25 | pagefault | ah |
| 02:30:43 | pagefault | can much be done about this like hardware or software limitation? |
| 02:31:41 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox just needs more optimising. I'm sure it will be fixed. But if it proves impossible, we still have a second CPU we can use - in effect we're just using 50% of the ipod's power. |
| 02:31:54 | pagefault | ah I see |
| 02:32:39 | pagefault | in any case it is much better than the stock firmware |
| 02:32:57 | linuxstb_ | And sorry for keep saying "ipod" - I forget Rockbox now runs on other PortalPlayer targets :) |
| 02:33:13 | pagefault | yeah well my h10 is pretty much ipod nano |
| 02:33:23 | linuxstb_ | No, it's an ipod Mini. |
| 02:33:28 | pagefault | oh really |
| 02:33:41 | pagefault | did iriver design it for apple maybe? |
| 02:34:06 | linuxstb_ | They just used very similar components. |
| 02:34:21 | pagefault | ah, just seems kind of funny, but convienient |
| 02:35:36 | pagefault | I had this thing shelved for a while because of lack of firmware updates for it, I was waiting forever for flac or anything but nothing came out |
| 02:35:49 | pagefault | I am happy rockbox finally supports it |
| 02:36:13 | linuxstb_ | Do iriver support FLAC on anything? |
| 02:36:22 | pagefault | mp3 and wma |
| 02:36:24 | pagefault | that is it |
| 02:36:27 | pagefault | and wav |
| 02:37:00 | pagefault | they promised audible support but they never released support for it |
| 02:37:08 | linuxstb_ | I thought my H140 could play Ogg Vorbis? |
| 02:37:12 | pagefault | no vorbis support like the h300 |
| 02:37:24 | pagefault | yeah but not on the h10 |
| 02:37:43 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, I was just asking generally if any iriver player supported FLAC. |
| 02:37:55 | pagefault | oh I think the H340 did |
| 02:39:19 | amiconn | Nope. |
| 02:39:28 | pagefault | oh well |
| 02:39:35 | pagefault | stupid really |
| 02:39:37 | amiconn | Supported formats: ASF, MP3, OGG, WMA |
| 02:40:05 | pagefault | not like they were proprietary formats |
| 02:41:51 | pagefault | hmm |
| 02:42:05 | dongs | here is osmething you might not be aware of |
| 02:42:17 | dongs | in the 'real world', companies make money from their products |
| 02:42:29 | dongs | it makes no sense for htem to support a moving target like flac, matroska, ogg, etc. |
| 02:42:44 | pagefault | yeah but more formats looks nicer on a box |
| 02:42:44 | scorche | and this somehow isnt the real world? |
| 02:42:56 | dongs | next week some idiot reeleases a new version of ogg which isnt decodable by current implementation, and thousands of your real customers who paid money for your product are fucked. |
| 02:42:58 | linuxstb_ | FLAC hasn't moved for about 4 years... |
| 02:43:20 | dongs | thats not the point. |
| 02:43:28 | dongs | im just explaining WHY any real company would never support this kinda shit. |
| 02:43:43 | scorche | actually, iaudio does |
| 02:43:47 | pagefault | the ogg decoder has been final for years |
| 02:44:03 | dongs | yeah, doesnt increase the number of people using it though |
| 02:44:06 | dongs | just like matroska |
| 02:44:12 | dongs | how long has that shit been around? |
| 02:44:18 | dongs | it isnt even developed naymore, deader than dead |
| 02:44:44 | scorche | so first you whine about it constantly moving, and then you whine about it not? |
| 02:44:49 | pagefault | I don't know about music but vorbis is very active in the gaming industry |
| 02:44:56 | pagefault | it's a royalty free audio format |
| 02:45:10 | linuxstb_ | And FLAC's the most common lossless audio format on the web. |
| 02:45:17 | dongs | 'the web'? |
| 02:45:21 | dongs | i've *NEVER* seen anything in flac. |
| 02:45:31 | dongs | lol, royaltee free |
| 02:45:37 | linuxstb_ | You haven't looked at places that distribute lossless audio then. |
| 02:45:37 | dongs | its also users-free |
| 02:45:39 | dongs | as in nobody uses it. |
| 02:45:45 | * | pagefault sighs |
| 02:46:11 | pagefault | ubisoft, EA, id, activsion |
| 02:46:15 | scorche | and lets just ignore your many contradictions in the last 5 min and move on to another topic! |
| 02:46:15 | pagefault | all nobodies |
| 02:46:30 | * | scorche puts on his loud announcer voice |
| 02:46:59 | scorche | Defeated, dongs moved on to his fantasy homeland of redmond, WA |
| 02:47:58 | * | bgmrk is bored |
| 02:48:15 | pagefault | waiting for compiling is boring |
| 02:48:22 | * | JdGordon has a big ass patch you can find bugs in if your really bored.. :D |
| 02:48:23 | bgmrk | not doing nething is boring :p |
| 02:49:09 | pagefault | I wonder how fast rockbox will be put on zune |
| 02:49:12 | pagefault | heh |
| 02:49:17 | bgmrk | hmm as FUN as that sounds...i think i got some hmwrk |
| 02:51:21 | jhMikeS | Interjection: not a minor band: http://www.theymightbegiants.com/ ... scroll down |
| 02:51:53 | pagefault | aww |
| 02:51:59 | pagefault | I have to put email in for mp3s |
| 02:52:59 | pagefault | wow flac |
| 02:53:03 | pagefault | what a concept |
| 02:53:17 | pagefault | not 128kbps files |
| 02:54:12 | jhMikeS | The Elektra releases are conspiciously missing though |
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| 02:55:36 | Sivart0 | hello |
| 02:56:32 | linuxstb_ | Another not-minor band distributing music in FLAC: http://www.livemetallica.com/ |
| 02:56:44 | pagefault | but they killed napster |
| 02:57:16 | pagefault | which yes was bad but... |
| 02:57:22 | pagefault | it had some hard to find stuff on it |
| 02:57:44 | hcs | pagefault: hi, gonna beat me to porting SPC over? |
| 02:57:55 | pagefault | dunno |
| 02:58:01 | Sivart0 | has the problem with ipod nano software 1.2 been fixed? |
| 02:58:03 | pagefault | I am waiting for my dev environment to set up |
| 02:58:08 | hcs | since I haven't even started yet, probably |
| 02:58:11 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: is that there way of apologixzing over killing napster? :D |
| 02:58:17 | pagefault | I have to figure out how codecs even work |
| 02:58:30 | pagefault | I am a total newb to rockbox dev |
| 02:58:41 | hcs | I wrote up a page on that, I just ported an ADX decoder yesterday |
| 02:58:45 | linuxstb_ | Sivart0: Yes. See the IpodInstallation wiki page. You basically need to follow the install instructions for the 5g. |
| 02:58:56 | hcs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToWriteCodecs |
| 02:59:05 | Sivart0 | ahh thank you |
| 02:59:36 | hcs | from there you can just look at, say, the structure of wav.c |
| 02:59:40 | jhMikeS | There seems to be an admission that you can make money w/o DRM |
| 02:59:43 | pagefault | ah thanks |
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| 03:00:12 | pagefault | I have a sneaking suspiction that SPC is not going to work too well on my player |
| 03:00:17 | pagefault | but it might on an archos |
| 03:00:52 | hcs | I was going to tackle NSF after a bunch of gamecube streamedf formats I've been working with |
| 03:01:18 | jhMikeS | We need an "How to write an encoder" too now. |
| 03:01:23 | pagefault | I can do an ARM based SPC core in a about a week and 4L of coffee |
| 03:01:31 | pagefault | if it's really needed |
| 03:02:24 | hcs | I look forward to seeing where you go with it |
| 03:02:32 | pagefault | well I hope I go somewhere with it |
| 03:02:41 | pagefault | well see |
| 03:03:33 | pagefault | whoever wrote the SID one made me want to write for other stuff |
| 03:03:44 | pagefault | that was just so cool listening to ron hubbard on the bus |
| 03:03:54 | hcs | I've been meaning to try that out... |
| 03:04:39 | pagefault | the seek feature needs a tweak I think |
| 03:04:48 | pagefault | if you hold it down too long you will skip over a track |
| 03:05:08 | hcs | yeah, I saw that in the code and wondered how well it would work |
| 03:05:19 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox needs proper support for sub-tracks within a file. That needs to be added to the core playback code though. |
| 03:06:12 | pagefault | psf probably won't happen for a long time |
| 03:06:20 | pagefault | everything is closed source |
| 03:06:44 | pagefault | and sexypsf is uhh... well |
| 03:06:49 | pagefault | well it's ok |
| 03:07:06 | pagefault | sexypsf well isn't very sexy |
| 03:07:13 | pagefault | :) |
| 03:07:24 | hcs | several people have asked me about usf, and I told them to wait a few years until the players can handle it... |
| 03:07:32 | pagefault | usf? |
| 03:07:44 | hcs | n64 |
| 03:08:21 | pagefault | yeah maybe on one of those high end video players |
| 03:08:26 | pagefault | if they ever get supported |
| 03:08:39 | linuxstb_ | The Gigabeat port is progressing - that's got a 300MHz ARM9 cpu. |
| 03:08:47 | hcs | ooh |
| 03:09:06 | linuxstb_ | I think the new Nano has a 200MHz ARM, plus a 120MHz DSP... |
| 03:09:09 | pagefault | I already see GBA emulators going on that.. |
| 03:10:00 | pagefault | ipod nano? |
| 03:10:15 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the "2nd generation" one launched last week. |
| 03:11:03 | pagefault | my poor player |
| 03:11:49 | pagefault | does anyone know what happened to that module player |
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| 03:12:03 | pagefault | for S3M, XM etc |
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| 03:19:51 | Vanique | ;] |
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| 03:29:30 | bgmrk | my friend just told me u can buy games for ur ipod? |
| 03:29:37 | bgmrk | i've never heard of that |
| 03:30:08 | hcs | I think it's fairly new, I only heard about it a few days ago. |
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| 03:32:12 | pagefault | oh cool |
| 03:32:15 | pagefault | oh cool |
| 03:32:21 | pagefault | building firmware |
| 03:32:36 | pagefault | finally |
| 03:32:51 | bgmrk | lol |
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| 04:03:06 | Soap | linuxstb - 200Mhz ARM single core on the new Nano? Or dual-core? |
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| 04:20:05 | bgmrk | ok i have a little prob....... |
| 04:20:27 | bgmrk | i made the background colour really close to the font..and now i can't see the font |
| 04:22:02 | bgmrk | ne suggestions? |
| 04:22:13 | bgmrk | is there a key combo to go to default settings? |
| 04:22:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | What player do you have? |
| 04:22:31 | bgmrk | 5g |
| 04:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should really include the word "iPod" as well, Rockbox runs on a lot of non-iPod players (though there's none that could *reasonably* be confused with it yet) |
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| 04:23:23 | bgmrk | oo opps |
| 04:23:25 | bgmrk | my fault |
| 04:23:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, turn off the iPod (hold Play), then turn it on, and IMMEDIATELY turn the hold switch on, leave it on until Rockbox finishes booting, and it'll clear the settings |
| 04:23:45 | bgmrk | ok ty |
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| 04:51:52 | bgmrk | so there is 121 people in here..and not a single one talking :p |
| 04:52:23 | hcs | for once |
| 04:52:55 | bgmrk | just be glad people dun come in here going "F*ck you all!!" |
| 04:53:11 | bgmrk | then leave |
| 04:53:20 | bgmrk | then join with another name..and do it all over again |
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| 05:24:03 | webguest43 | I apologize for this ignorant question but am trying to install rockbox as we speak, I have the cmd box and am typing in the"ipodpatcher #" but nothing is happening what am I doing wrong? |
| 05:24:40 | hcs | you are supposed to type a number, from 0 to 26, where the # sign is |
| 05:24:58 | webguest43 | Wow, let me keep going them I only got to #10 |
| 05:27:12 | webguest43 | that still didn't work. In my cmd box the prompt is showing the following: c:/documents and settings\computer> |
| 05:27:35 | webguest43 | after that i am typing the: "ipodpatcher #" |
| 05:28:03 | hcs | is your ipod connected? |
| 05:28:07 | webguest43 | yes |
| 05:28:16 | webguest43 | should I do it again? |
| 05:28:43 | webguest43 | It is currently shown as the K drive in my computer |
| 05:28:49 | hcs | I don't know, trying again won't hurt but I'm not sure what the issue is |
| 05:29:50 | webguest43 | I haven't installed any software yet that I have downloaded, do I need to have already installed the bootloader? |
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| 05:33:27 | hcs | if the former webguest is back: no, this will enable you to install the bootloader |
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| 05:34:52 | webguest37 | Man, am I having troubles! |
| 05:34:55 | webguest37 | Sorry about that |
| 05:35:09 | webguest37 | let me try again to do the ipodpatcher cmd |
| 05:37:40 | webguest37 | I keep getting the statement 'ipodpatcher' is not recongized as a internal or external command, operable program or batch file |
| 05:37:54 | webguest37 | any suggestions? |
| 05:37:56 | hcs | oh... you have to download ipodpatcher.exe |
| 05:38:23 | hcs | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 05:38:38 | hcs | follow the installation instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 05:39:09 | webguest37 | thx |
| 05:39:14 | webguest37 | let me read through this and I'll let you know how it goes |
| 05:39:20 | JdGordon | anyone want to help test out a patch? lots of bugs waiting to be found... |
| 05:39:35 | hcs | what's the patch for? |
| 05:39:48 | JdGordon | massive settng and menu reworkings... |
| 05:40:15 | hcs | probably not, I've got bugs of my own to work out and plain rockbox crashes often enough |
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| 05:47:43 | JdGordon | hey Paul_The_Nerd |
| 05:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hi |
| 05:48:44 | JdGordon | did u see the patch lowlight did a while ago that adds a check mark nex to the selected item for a setting? |
| 05:48:52 | JdGordon | http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/settings_selected_icon.bmp |
| 05:49:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I hadn't seen that one. |
| 05:49:22 | JdGordon | i have an idea to fix all the left/right button complaints ont hat screen i want to run by someone |
| 05:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | What are the complaints, and what's the idea? |
| 05:49:54 | JdGordon | the argument over weather left shuold cancel or accept and exit... |
| 05:50:42 | JdGordon | what do u tinhk about using select to move the tick and accept the value, but stay in the screen. then off and left both exit without changing anything |
| 05:50:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Left should exit. It shouldn't change where the marker is. |
| 05:51:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I was about to suggest pretty much what you just said. |
| 05:51:10 | JdGordon | :) |
| 05:51:51 | JdGordon | i tihnk it will feel more natural.. or something :p |
| 05:54:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure about natural, but it'll be less confusing since whenever you leave you *always* get where the marker is. |
| 05:54:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you can't move it without knowing you've moved it, since you can't "move+exit" |
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| 05:55:09 | webguest37 | how do I know which version of firmware I have on my Ipod Nano? |
| 05:55:35 | webguest37 | I"m at step d2 in the installation instructions |
| 05:56:06 | webguest37 | my ipodnano is flashing "do not disconnect" and won't let me into the menu |
| 05:57:07 | webguest37 | Since I'm midway through the installation can I eject it and then find out and reinsert it back into its base or will this mess up the installation? |
| 05:58:01 | hcs | all you have done so far is read from the ipod, if you're at step d2, so ejecting the ipod should be fine |
| 05:58:18 | webguest37 | thx! |
| 05:59:34 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: done, and tryed in the sim and i think it does feel better, hopefully everyone else agrees :D |
| 05:59:39 | webguest37 | I have version 1.1.1 so does that exclude me from the special instructions, I assume that it does |
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| 06:00:08 | hcs | uh, that would be my guess, but I've never done anything with the nano |
| 06:00:27 | webguest37 | thx, i'll let you know - will continue onward |
| 06:02:01 | hcs | does it have the Nike additional thing? |
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| 06:05:43 | webguest37 | no |
| 06:05:50 | webguest37 | Im having troubles |
| 06:06:26 | JdGordon | ? |
| 06:06:37 | webguest37 | its saying it cannot open loader image file bottloader-nano.bin |
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| 06:07:11 | JdGordon | then u stuffed something up... try agan |
| 06:07:19 | hcs | that is something you should have downloaded in step a) |
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| 06:07:32 | webguest37 | simply startover? |
| 06:07:48 | hcs | no, just get the appropriate file |
| 06:07:59 | hcs | it might be good to read the previous steps again, carefully |
| 06:08:41 | webguest37 | in my rockbox folder I have the following files: apple_os, bootloader-mini2g, bootpartition, ipod_fw, opodpatcher, and rockboot |
| 06:09:28 | webguest37 | this is the command I am entering: ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin |
| 06:09:57 | hcs | you have an ipod nano? |
| 06:10:28 | webguest37 | Yeah, I see where I fouled up |
| 06:10:36 | webguest37 | I downloaded the bootloader-mini2g |
| 06:10:43 | webguest37 | I'll get the other and keep going |
| 06:12:00 | webguest37 | Yeah, it worked - will push onward |
| 06:17:40 | pagefault | hah cool |
| 06:17:46 | pagefault | hah cool |
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| 06:17:56 | pagefault | that patch in the tracker worked |
| 06:17:56 | pagefault | can play mods |
| 06:18:04 | hcs | cool indeed |
| 06:18:55 | hcs | I still have to get some SIDs on mine |
| 06:18:58 | webguest37 | which version of rockbox should I download |
| 06:19:07 | webguest37 | bleeding edge or other |
| 06:19:23 | hcs | bleeding edge, anything else will be quite out of date |
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| 06:24:13 | webguest37 | I haven't installed itunes, how do I unzip rockbox correctly |
| 06:24:48 | webguest37 | my nano is docked and is in the diskmode |
| 06:24:56 | hcs | and you can see it as a drive? |
| 06:25:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:25:23 | * | JdGordon has slight built of of rage towards the core devs atm ! |
| 06:25:24 | webguest37 | yead, in my computer its IPOD (K:) |
| 06:25:37 | webguest37 | below that is Calendars, contacts, and notes |
| 06:25:41 | JdGordon | bloody making me use real strings for settings! |
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| 06:25:47 | hcs | ok, then extract the zip to K:\ |
| 06:25:57 | | Part TheMike |
| 06:26:10 | hcs | you will probably need a separate zip that has the fonts in it, it isn't included in the daily CVS builds anymore |
| 06:27:16 | webguest37 | okay, it's unzipping now |
| 06:27:25 | webguest37 | what is the font thing? |
| 06:30:05 | hcs | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060920.zip |
| 06:30:23 | hcs | when you unzipped the cvs build, did you end up with a K:/.rockbox directory? |
| 06:30:28 | hcs | * K:\.rockbox |
| 06:30:54 | webguest37 | its still unzipping |
| 06:33:06 | webguest37 | I have a .rockbox file now |
| 06:33:59 | hcs | good |
| 06:35:11 | webguest37 | okay, so now rockbox is on my nano! |
| 06:35:28 | webguest37 | can I now drag and drop songs and play them without going through itunes? |
| 06:35:33 | JdGordon | yes |
| 06:36:11 | webguest37 | do I simply drop them into the rockbox folder |
| 06:36:33 | hcs | you can put them anywhere on the ipod, make a directory structure as you like it |
| 06:37:02 | webguest37 | the interface is a bit plain, is that normal |
| 06:37:41 | hcs | there are some nicer themes, but you'll need to extract the fonts first (if you haven't already) |
| 06:37:55 | webguest37 | how do I do that |
| 06:38:14 | hcs | unzip the link I gave you above for the fonts |
| 06:38:30 | webguest37 | to the rockbox folder |
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| 06:38:44 | hcs | to the root of the ipod |
| 06:38:55 | webguest37 | kay |
| 06:38:58 | webguest37 | okay |
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| 06:41:01 | webguest37 | hcs - you sure have a lot of patience for a illeterate computer user like myself |
| 06:41:13 | webguest37 | I read about rockbox in pc magazine and just decided to give it a try |
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| 06:41:21 | webguest37 | I have no idea that all of this was involved |
| 06:41:28 | webguest37 | this is like serious programming for me |
| 06:41:43 | hcs | I am a new convert to rockbox myself |
| 06:42:04 | webguest37 | okay, i've got the fonts thing done |
| 06:43:05 | hcs | ok, now select Browse Themes from the menu and pick a theme, I personally use iCatcher |
| 06:43:58 | webguest37 | with the nano docked or undocked? |
| 06:44:23 | hcs | whichever, as long as you can use the rockbox menus |
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| 07:02:15 | webguest37 | HCS - THis thing rocks!!! Thus the name, no more itunes for me! |
| 07:02:49 | hcs | yes, all hail the devs |
| 07:03:22 | webguest37 | I've set my background to black and foreground to an optic blue - everyone will be like what the hell is going on with your ipod |
| 07:03:38 | webguest37 | feel like the kid on the block with the latest RAZR |
| 07:05:00 | hcs | and I feel like the idiot who just set his background and foreground colors the same |
| 07:05:13 | webguest37 | uh ohh |
| 07:05:36 | midkay | hcs: how? |
| 07:05:48 | hcs | ah, almost the same, can still see the one by tilting the screen |
| 07:05:58 | midkay | right. |
| 07:06:15 | hcs | I had 000000 and 000001 |
| 07:06:17 | webguest37 | can you see enough to reset one of the colors |
| 07:06:25 | hcs | yep |
| 07:06:37 | hcs | brilliant bit of interface design |
| 07:06:39 | webguest37 | that would be a way to really upset someone who installed rockbox |
| 07:06:49 | webguest37 | set the foreground adn background the same |
| 07:07:19 | webguest37 | Does rockbox drain the battery faster? |
| 07:07:20 | midkay | brilliant bit of idiot, setting them as close as possible.. who does that? :) |
| 07:07:30 | midkay | webguest37: yeah. |
| 07:07:37 | hcs | hey, that was an actual complement! |
| 07:07:42 | hcs | *compliment |
| 07:07:59 | midkay | oh. :o |
| 07:09:35 | webguest37 | set the font size to chicago 12, man that is easier on the eyes |
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| 07:13:13 | webguest72 | what is this peakmeter |
| 07:13:53 | midkay | it's.. a peak meter. |
| 07:14:09 | hcs | aka a pretty way to make playback skip |
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| 07:16:33 | midkay | i used to like it on my Archos, because it didn't affect playback.. i have no problem with removing it since it kills performance on my 5G though. |
| 07:18:22 | webguest72 | okay, hcs going to have to sign off now but appreciate all |
| 07:18:39 | hcs | good night, have fun |
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| 07:18:46 | webguest72 | takecare |
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| 07:24:20 | JdGordon | nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:24:32 | JdGordon | bloody rombox wont compile again :'( |
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| 08:13:51 | embermage | hi, anyone know what to do if i get "Error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect"? |
| 08:14:54 | embermage | anyone? |
| 08:18:58 | embermage | !heko |
| 08:19:02 | embermage | !help |
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| 08:50:38 | webguest93 | what is the link for the fonts for the ipod nano |
| 08:54:18 | markun | webguest93: on the daily build page there is a target called 'Fonts' (with a rockbox logo) |
| 08:54:40 | theli_ua | "DrZ80 is free for non-commercial use." this is not compatible with GPL-2 ? :( |
| 08:55:57 | webguest93 | Thx! |
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| 09:00:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: Re rombox: What happened to your savings? |
| 09:01:10 | JdGordon | i was forced to use real strings for the cfg file |
| 09:01:16 | amiconn | I guess using separate settings strings adds a bit, so the savings are less |
| 09:01:36 | amiconn | But it should still save code |
| 09:01:47 | JdGordon | ye, it does, i dont tihnk i am over by much |
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| 09:02:05 | JdGordon | rockbox.bin is 238004 |
| 09:02:27 | amiconn | While it might not bring rombox back on its own, it eventually will in combination with other optimisations |
| 09:02:33 | amiconn | fmrecorder? |
| 09:02:37 | JdGordon | yes |
| 09:02:59 | amiconn | That's 4532 bytes over |
| 09:03:27 | amiconn | Hmm... |
| 09:04:23 | JdGordon | im sure i have a fair bit of wasted code that this brought in.. so im not done yet |
| 09:04:39 | JdGordon | but I dont think even if I get under again ift will stay under for long |
| 09:05:37 | * | JdGordon back in 10min |
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| 09:06:14 | amiconn | Finding the wasted code would be interesting... the size is nearer to cvs that it is to your old savings |
| 09:07:25 | amiconn | I doubt that it's only the strings... that would mean there are 7KB of settings strings (!) |
| 09:09:31 | JdGordon | sounds about right |
| 09:11:10 | JdGordon | another thing i did today was solve the arguments over what left should do in the settin screens.. |
| 09:12:11 | JdGordon | using lowlights patch which has the tick next to the curent value, select moves the tick, left/off exits the screen with wherever the tick is as the value... so there if u dont move the tick nothing happens |
| 09:15:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:20:34 | * | JdGordon votes break compatability and go back to xlating the strings for the cfg file! |
| 09:25:51 | aarond | anyone help me with a linksys wifi router? |
| 09:29:49 | aarond | didnt think so :) |
| 09:32:27 | scorche | linksys has their own support chat... |
| 09:35:35 | aarond | cool |
| 09:35:47 | aarond | Im sure they eat noobs like me there :) |
| 09:35:58 | aarond | any idea where its at? |
| 09:36:03 | scorche | they are actually paid employees... |
| 09:36:14 | scorche | try linksys's site? |
| 09:36:14 | aarond | oh that |
| 09:37:04 | JdGordon | amiconn: I just trimmed of the repeated strings (which would break compat for a few items, but not a big deal) and it only saved 1kb :( |
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| 09:56:36 | theli_ua | linuxstb, ping |
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| 09:59:23 | Bg3r | anyone here who have bought a newertech batteries ? |
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| 10:02:19 | theli_ua | anyone with video iPod who has some minutes free? |
| 10:04:59 | LinusN | theli_ua: maybe... |
| 10:05:28 | theli_ua | LinusN, i've just wanted to test speed differences in zxbox with some optimisations |
| 10:05:48 | theli_ua | on color full-screen target |
| 10:06:13 | LinusN | i guess i'll need some zx roms/tape images? |
| 10:06:42 | theli_ua | LinusN , http://theli.ho.com.ua/chuckie.sna will be sufficient |
| 10:07:09 | JdGordon | I can test on the h300 if u need |
| 10:08:01 | theli_ua | i just need speed of emulation if current build without sound and frameskip 0... and the same with slightly modified build |
| 10:08:08 | theli_ua | s/if/of |
| 10:08:50 | mh546 | Hi! I regularly listen to radio shows on my mp3 player. This means, there are files lasting for 30 minutes to 3 hours. I was looking for a function that, when selecting a file, looks if it can find a bookmark for that file and ask, if I want to resume at the bookmarked position or listen from the beginning. (I'll try to implement it if it's not already there.) What I found was the "Load Last Bookmark" option, which I originally thought was what I |
| 10:09:31 | Bg3r | hm, one question to credit card owners ... is it normal some site to ask you to fill this form https://eshop.macsales.com/Service/Downloads/Order_Auth_Int.pdf because "an internation verification cannot do the verification on your card" (VISA) |
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| 10:11:11 | Bg3r | the site is www.macsales.com |
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| 10:12:41 | Bg3r | anyone ? |
| 10:13:45 | LinusN | Bg3r: i've never had to do anything like that |
| 10:14:11 | LinusN | and i have done quite a few international purchases |
| 10:14:25 | mh546 | @bg3r: What exactly do they ask you to do? Ill in that form online? NEVER DO THAT. Do they ask you to print out the form, fill in data by hand and fax it to a number you can FOR SURE connect to the site you are ordering some things from, then I think this should be okay. |
| 10:14:29 | scorche | Bg3r: i would just skip it and go with someone else for your purchase |
| 10:14:39 | scorche | mh546: by that page....fax it |
| 10:15:33 | Bg3r | mh546: they suggested me the 2 opportunities |
| 10:15:50 | Bg3r | by fax/by e-mail (encrypted PDF) |
| 10:16:53 | JdGordon | hey LinusN, i changed the settings to use the setting strings like you wanted, and it blew out the filesize gain :'( |
| 10:17:01 | JdGordon | s/gain/again |
| 10:17:36 | LinusN | that's unfortunate, but in my opinion necessary |
| 10:19:14 | mh546 | bg3r: I had that procedure once with a *very* small shop. The guy seemed not to have any contract with VISA to check the data online and all he was looking at was my signature so he could show that to his bank - at least I thought so. But for giving someone your credit card details and your signature, your really have to trust them. |
| 10:19:54 | Bg3r | mh546: yep:( |
| 10:20:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: regarding the delayed settings storage, i'm not sure how to solve it, but it could probably be done by the ata thread |
| 10:20:16 | markun | mh546: you've never used the rockbox bookmark feature? |
| 10:21:03 | markun | Ah, you want to click on the file instead of the bookmark.. |
| 10:21:48 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, apart from Stkov'ing dircache occasioanly its mortly stable, well.. stable enough to keep testing, so im not too worried about it, also the ata stuff is above me.. so if someone can figure about a better way to do it, im all ears |
| 10:23:11 | LinusN | my thinking is this: the ata thread is the thread responsible for the idle sleep/shutdown of the disk |
| 10:23:45 | LinusN | let it call the callback when it has been idle for a while |
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| 10:37:20 | LinusN | theli_ua: ok, i'm running chuckie now |
| 10:37:31 | theli_ua | whats the speed? |
| 10:38:16 | LinusN | 47% |
| 10:39:13 | LinusN | how do i control the damn thing? |
| 10:39:35 | theli_ua | LinusN, set "mape to kempston" to "no" cayse chuckie uses keyboard |
| 10:39:40 | theli_ua | s/mape/map |
| 10:39:56 | theli_ua | LinusN, speed is with sound off and frameskip 0? |
| 10:40:12 | LinusN | yup |
| 10:40:46 | theli_ua | then can you please test the same with http://theli.ho.com.ua/video/zxbox.rock ? |
| 10:41:44 | mh546 | I'm still wondering, "Load Last Bookmark" option is for? In my eyes it is buggy as it should behave my way ;) But someone most probably implemented it deliberately the way it works ... |
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| 10:42:23 | theli_ua | mh546, i think you must create bookmark so that it can be loaded |
| 10:42:30 | * | JdGordon can read and write .cfg compatible files :) |
| 10:42:35 | JdGordon | too bad about the damn filesize tho |
| 10:42:47 | JdGordon | and well.. only 90% compatible |
| 10:42:56 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: To answer your question from earlier, "free for non-commercial use" is definitely not GPL-compatible. |
| 10:43:39 | LinusN | theli_ua: 51% |
| 10:43:53 | mh546 | theli_ua: I did. Creating a bookmark for file A, then one for file B, then selecting file A and ansering the question "Load Last Bookmark?" with yes will play file B, the one last bookmarked. |
| 10:43:57 | theli_ua | LinusN, so there *is* some increase ... (4-5 %) |
| 10:44:21 | LinusN | now it's 52% |
| 10:44:40 | LinusN | i can't climb :-( |
| 10:44:54 | theli_ua | LinusN, you just should fit stairs |
| 10:45:07 | theli_ua | LinusN, hold up (menu) and run near stair |
| 10:45:34 | LinusN | ah, you need to align him perfectly |
| 10:45:39 | theli_ua | LinusN, yes |
| 10:46:04 | linuxstb_ | The technique is to move left/right at the same time as pressing up. |
| 10:46:27 | LinusN | what are those piles? |
| 10:46:28 | * | linuxstb_ wasted many hours playing chuckie egg when young... |
| 10:46:47 | linuxstb_ | Chicken food. Bonus points. |
| 10:47:04 | linuxstb_ | The aim is to collect all the eggs to move to the next level. |
| 10:47:53 | LinusN | oops i dies |
| 10:47:55 | LinusN | died |
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| 10:49:27 | theli_ua | LinusN, with what frameskip can you achieve 99-100% ? |
| 10:49:35 | JdGordon | does anyone know what needs to be done to get rockboy on the nano? is it simple stuf like making it draw to the screen size? |
| 10:50:08 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it's just the LCD drawing that needs adapting. |
| 10:51:41 | linuxstb_ | But it's also not very playable on any ipod because of the lack of buttons. The only solution is to do what IPL's port of gnuboy does and detect touches at different places on the wheel. |
| 10:52:06 | JdGordon | oh, ok, damn |
| 10:52:20 | aliask | JdGordon: D'you get a nano? |
| 10:52:28 | JdGordon | my sister did |
| 10:53:15 | LinusN | theli_ua: odd, i get to 99% with frameskip=2, but frameskip=3 also gives me 99% |
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| 10:53:48 | LinusN | frameskip=4 too |
| 10:54:32 | LinusN | frameskip > 2 makes no difference |
| 10:55:49 | pondlife | 99%=100% with rounding then |
| 10:56:00 | theli_ua | LinusN, you can't achieve more than 99-100 .. there comes speed limiting :) |
| 10:56:28 | LinusN | ah of course |
| 10:56:36 | theli_ua | but 99 with full-screen and color and frameskip 2 seems rather good |
| 10:56:51 | theli_ua | LinusN, btw you can try "fast mode" |
| 10:57:00 | LinusN | nah |
| 10:57:04 | LinusN | gotta work |
| 10:57:12 | theli_ua | :( |
| 10:57:20 | theli_ua | i'm working right now :) |
| 10:57:29 | LinusN | me too, sort of |
| 10:57:32 | pondlife | Qnd you can't convice the boss that Chuckie Egg is work?? ;-) |
| 10:57:33 | theli_ua | just configured HP NSP Atalla :) |
| 10:58:48 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, btw that 'free for non-coomercial' was arm asm z80 emulation core |
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| 11:00:44 | linuxstb_ | I think iboy (the IPL port of gnuboy) has one of those... |
| 11:02:02 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, i once adopted rockboy for mini screen and for touchwheel... too bad it wasn't as playable as iboy :( |
| 11:02:54 | LinusN | theli_ua: how come? |
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| 11:04:03 | theli_ua | it had terrible sound and was slower |
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| 11:06:14 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Then you need to fix it :) |
| 11:06:58 | theli_ua | linuxstb, i've ended with iboy when "universal scaling" commit broke my adoptation to mini's screen :) |
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| 11:07:05 | theli_ua | s/iboy/rockboy |
| 11:07:13 | Zendefera | hey guys |
| 11:07:25 | linuxstb | What "universal scaling"? |
| 11:07:25 | Zendefera | anyone ever use a griffin tech power block with their ipod? |
| 11:07:38 | linuxstb | No, but what's the problem? |
| 11:07:51 | Zendefera | I can't access rb when it isplugged in. |
| 11:08:16 | linuxstb | Start Rockbox, then hold MENU as you're plugging it in. |
| 11:08:24 | Zendefera | I thought, hold down the top of the click wheel and insert the charger cable, like we do when charging from a computer, but no go. |
| 11:09:50 | theli_ua | linuxstb, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5490 |
| 11:09:52 | Zendefera | since I'm blind I can't see what is going on the screen. |
| 11:11:23 | Zendefera | but when I plug in to the power block, the ipod almost makes a clicking noice from the harddrive, like when it sounds when you reset the ipod. |
| 11:11:54 | linuxstb | Even when you're holding the MENU button (top of the clickwheel) at the same time? |
| 11:12:10 | Zendefera | yup. |
| 11:12:40 | Zendefera | hold on, I've let my ipod charge for a little while now, let me boot it up in rb, and reconfirm what I am saying. |
| 11:13:15 | webguest22 | Hey, I've just discovered the patch #5049. It promises to start the player in FM mode if it was switched off in FM mode. This is a feature I'm really missing from the original iriver firmware. How are the chances that the patch will be included in the official build? |
| 11:13:34 | linuxstb | One problem is that holding MENU will also bring up the Rockbox "quick menu". So after you've inserted the charger and released the MENU button, you'll need to press and release the MENU button again to exit the quick menu. |
| 11:14:39 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Ah, OK. So it's "universal" but only supports LCDs larger than the gameboy... |
| 11:14:48 | theli_ua | linuxstb, yes |
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| 11:15:33 | theli_ua | linuxstb, my universal scaling stretches for screen of any larger/smaller screen :) |
| 11:15:59 | linuxstb | Then we could revert that patch, and commit your one. |
| 11:16:32 | theli_ua | linuxstb, no that would be bad |
| 11:16:55 | theli_ua | because that patch wasn't very efficient |
| 11:16:59 | theli_ua | (mine) |
| 11:17:35 | linuxstb | OK... |
| 11:17:44 | Zendefera | llinuxstb, I've done what you said, hold down menu, insert power block cable, I am in rockbox, I started a playlist to play. |
| 11:18:15 | Zendefera | now, since I do depend on the voice system for rb, I don't know if it is actually charging. |
| 11:18:45 | Zendefera | since there is no audible method of me nowing if it is taking a charge. |
| 11:19:53 | Zendefera | the charger works great to charge the ipod, but when I want to listen to the ipod with the charger plugged in thats another story. |
| 11:21:24 | pondlife | Maybe the rockbox info screen should say "Charging" after reading the battery level? |
| 11:21:29 | linuxstb | I've read people say that Rockbox uses more power when playing music than it takes from the charger - meaning that the net effect is that the battery doesn't increase in charge. Personally, I never charge and listen at the same time, so I don't know. |
| 11:24:21 | theli_ua | so .... we got 4-5% speedup in zxbox on (at least mini and video) arm targets .... anyone with coldfire-based who can test? JbGordon? |
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| 11:28:14 | Zendefera | zxbox whats that? |
| 11:28:36 | JdGordon | theli_ua: ye, i can test it.... i havnt had much luck with zxbox yet :p the only game ive actually figured out how to play is simcity.... i wnt to play lander :'( |
| 11:28:38 | theli_ua | Zendefera, it is a zx spectrum emulator |
| 11:28:43 | Zendefera | it would be nice if it sayed charging or not charging in the info screen when you go to info ... rock box info |
| 11:29:05 | theli_ua | JdGordon, can you try that chuckie egg snapshot i posted earlier? |
| 11:29:51 | theli_ua | JdGordon, http://theli.ho.com.ua/chuckie.sna |
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| 11:31:29 | JdGordon | soz, comp crashed |
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| 11:34:41 | mirak10 | does the daily cvs tarball contains CVS folders ? |
| 11:35:05 | linuxstb | I don't think so. |
| 11:36:31 | pondlife | What controls whether a particular language string is included in the voice file? |
| 11:37:13 | pondlife | I'm attempting to talk_id(LANG_BATTERY_CHARGE,...) but nothing is heard |
| 11:38:10 | amiconn | It's included if the corresponding .lang entry has a non-empty <voice> string |
| 11:38:17 | pondlife | Aha |
| 11:38:47 | pondlife | That's the problem |
| 11:39:38 | pondlife | If I update English.lang to add voice strings, I assume it's ok to leave other langs alone. |
| 11:42:07 | pondlife | Also, is there a guide on how to generate a new .voice file? I can't see it in the wiki... |
| 11:42:27 | pondlife | I'll be using MS Mary/SAPI4 |
| 11:43:13 | theli_ua | JdGordon, so can you test it? |
| 11:43:38 | JdGordon | theli_ua: soz, got distracted... after dinner... back in 20 or so |
| 11:43:44 | pondlife | nm - I found http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding |
| 11:43:48 | theli_ua | JdGordon, ok |
| 11:46:36 | amiconn | pondlife: I strongly suggest using sapi5 voices. Creating a voice file with sapi4 will take age |
| 11:46:57 | amiconn | Controlling sapi4 with vbscript can't go any faster than realtime |
| 11:47:08 | amiconn | sapi5 to file goes as fast as possible |
| 11:48:25 | pondlife | Sorry, my mistake - I am SAPI5 |
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| 11:57:23 | JdGordon | theli_ua: back, ok time to test |
| 11:57:31 | theli_ua | :) |
| 11:58:01 | JdGordon | you want sound yes and framskip 0? |
| 11:58:44 | JdGordon | how do i move int he game? |
| 11:58:56 | JdGordon | anyway, cvs is sitting @ 37% |
| 11:58:57 | theli_ua | sound no |
| 11:59:43 | theli_ua | JdGordon, hm ... LinusN asked the same about moving ... turn "Map to kempston" off |
| 11:59:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: Rockbox should say 'battery: charging' in the info screen when it is charging. It definitely works on recorder |
| 11:59:59 | JdGordon | it is set to off... |
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| 12:00:01 | theli_ua | JdGordon, http://thli.ho.com.ua/h300/zxbox.rock |
| 12:00:09 | theli_ua | http://theli.ho.com.ua/h300/zxbox.rock |
| 12:00:10 | JdGordon | sound No doesnt effect it! still @ 37% |
| 12:00:56 | theli_ua | JdGordon, sound shouldn't effect much .. it is just unstable and can crash ;) |
| 12:01:14 | JdGordon | ah |
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| 12:03:43 | JdGordon | theli_ua: ah, i had the wrong keymap set... that .rock is still at 37% |
| 12:05:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: Looking in english.lang, the voice string is empty for "Battery: Charging" (LANG_BATTERY_CHARGE) - I thought you just said that meant that no voice string was generated? |
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| 12:08:46 | theli_ua | JdGordon, :( |
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| 12:09:10 | hockyhair | hello |
| 12:09:50 | hockyhair | i just read something in forums about mpeg2 being supported now? is there more i can find out about this, i have a 5g ipod and have been waiting for vid playback i'd like to know where it stands. |
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| 12:11:19 | scorche | hockyhair: look at the wiki page PluginMpegplayer |
| 12:11:45 | hockyhair | sounds good.. |
| 12:12:10 | theli_ua | i think it doesn't sound still ;) |
| 12:13:05 | scorche | heh... |
| 12:14:06 | hockyhair | how far are we from seeing playback with sound? |
| 12:14:12 | hockyhair | better yet xvid support with sound ;) |
| 12:14:24 | scorche | pick a date |
| 12:14:31 | JdGordon | about as close as the sun is to exploding... |
| 12:14:49 | scorche | suns dont "explode"... |
| 12:14:56 | hockyhair | is that due to lack of inititive? |
| 12:15:14 | scorche | more like lack of willingness to pick a date |
| 12:15:19 | JdGordon | haha, your gonna get shot if u suggest that :D |
| 12:15:30 | scorche | we have a phobia about release dates 'round these here parts |
| 12:15:48 | markun | hockyhair: why xvid? |
| 12:16:02 | hockyhair | because it is a great widly used medium |
| 12:16:10 | hockyhair | compression is just right imo |
| 12:16:28 | markun | you need to reencode you videos anyway |
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| 12:16:33 | hockyhair | smaller files with good quality basicly |
| 12:16:41 | hockyhair | avi support in general would be key imo |
| 12:16:48 | hockyhair | much more sensible that mpeg |
| 12:16:53 | scorche | avi is just a container format... |
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| 12:16:59 | hockyhair | for the common end user anyway |
| 12:18:10 | markun | I'm sure the common end user will be able to adapt to whatever works best for rockbox |
| 12:19:29 | hockyhair | well it's definatly on my wish list, along with a cue reader (split the mp3 accordingly).. wish i could help |
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| 12:20:05 | linuxstb_ | hockyhair: mpegplayer isn't good for the 5g - it doesn't use the video decoding hardware in the 5g, and probably never will. It's designed to just use the main CPU, and hence works on all the devices (with colour LCDs) that Rockbox runs on. |
| 12:20:06 | hockyhair | i think i already mentioned the plugin for winamp that does that (for the cue reader) not sure if that was helpful though.. |
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| 12:20:19 | linuxstb_ | A different project will be to write a video player that uses the video decoder in the 5g, and no-one is working on that. But even if that happens, it's unlikely to support anything other than exactly what the Apple firmware supports. |
| 12:21:16 | hockyhair | what is known about apple's video decoder? |
| 12:21:33 | linuxstb_ | The name of the chip, and that's about all. |
| 12:21:46 | hockyhair | can you break down what it is comparable to? |
| 12:21:47 | linuxstb_ | There is no publically available documentation. |
| 12:22:21 | hockyhair | mm. it's the equiv of a video card correct? |
| 12:22:30 | linuxstb_ | It's just a chip that the Apple firmware uses to do all the video decoding. That chip runs its own firmware, and the Apple firmware running on the main CPU just feeds it with the compressed data. |
| 12:22:42 | hockyhair | can you dump it's fw? |
| 12:23:25 | scorche | linuxstb_: speaking of...i havent heard much about utilization of both cores for a week or so...any updates? |
| 12:23:41 | dongs | so like |
| 12:23:48 | scorche | ugh.. |
| 12:23:50 | hockyhair | scorche: that was on the tip of my tounge earlier but i swallowed insted of spit |
| 12:24:48 | hockyhair | i wish i knew enough to help with the 5g devolpments |
| 12:25:17 | * | JdGordon winges about the 80char wide text rule... |
| 12:25:32 | dongs | at least they're not using GNU indent style. |
| 12:27:55 | hockyhair | is there a dev kit for porting games to rb? id like to see dope wars and a few others. |
| 12:28:16 | dongs | just rip the sores and replace graphics\sound related shit withrockbox equivalents |
| 12:28:33 | dongs | and make sure its < 512k compiled since thats the plugin size limit |
| 12:28:39 | scorche | dongs: go away before you make a fool of yourself....again... |
| 12:28:49 | markun | hockyhair: yes, dope wars please! :) |
| 12:28:50 | JdGordon | yay for /ignore :D |
| 12:28:53 | dongs | scorche: you got a problem with my reply? |
| 12:28:58 | scorche | just you |
| 12:29:03 | dongs | ignore: the opensores solution. |
| 12:29:13 | * | dongs shrugs. your loss. |
| 12:29:16 | markun | JdGordon: indeed :) |
| 12:29:26 | theli_ua | thread.c:73: error: ‘struct core_entry’ has no member named ‘current_thread’ what this? (was trying to make profile build) |
| 12:29:27 | dongs | i was trying to use shuffle function on rockbox this evening |
| 12:29:38 | dongs | couldnt even figure out how to turn it on |
| 12:29:49 | dongs | held menu and enabled shuffle by pressing left, and the tracks weer still in order |
| 12:29:55 | dongs | how is TAHT for broken usbility? |
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| 12:30:11 | bluebrother | dongs, http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 12:30:15 | dongs | if one cannot figure out how to use a media player without reading a 100apge manual, well, maybe theres a reason people pay extra fr apple stuff |
| 12:30:20 | dongs | bluebrother: wrong answer, asshole. |
| 12:30:21 | scorche | that is great for your idiocy...not like we need anymore proof of that |
| 12:30:48 | hockyhair | speaking of shuffle, i can get shuffle working but it is inside the dir im in only, id like to shuffle everything in /ipod/* |
| 12:31:02 | bluebrother | dongs, why not stick to apple? Noone forces you to use rockbox. |
| 12:31:08 | scorche | hockyhair: it suffles everything in the current playlist |
| 12:31:11 | dongs | bluebrother: another wrong answer |
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| 12:31:16 | hockyhair | minux anything hidden.. i'll take my chances with it finding doom files |
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| 12:31:25 | bluebrother | dongs, what's your problem? |
| 12:31:32 | bluebrother | bad mood? |
| 12:31:50 | scorche | bluebrother: you should know that he is always like this.. |
| 12:32:05 | bluebrother | scorche, haven't noticed until now. |
| 12:32:11 | hockyhair | ipod-linux diehard? |
| 12:32:34 | scorche | hockyhair: he is our resident troll that looks like he wants to be banned permanently this time |
| 12:32:46 | bluebrother | but why? People are trying to help and he's pissing around. Too bad. |
| 12:33:06 | bluebrother | guess I'll start using ignore lists. |
| 12:33:48 | hockyhair | what is the most requested feature these days? |
| 12:33:51 | scorche | i prefer to not use ignore lists unless people spam...it is nice when people start to listen to him not knowing he is just a troll |
| 12:33:58 | JdGordon | are there any programs which will automatically split up long lines in the code to 80chars and keep formatting correct? |
| 12:34:22 | hockyhair | JdGordon: editplus does that i believe |
| 12:34:35 | hockyhair | win |
| 12:34:38 | hockyhair | brb smoke |
| 12:34:43 | JdGordon | bah, im on linux |
| 12:34:58 | bluebrother | JdGordon, vim has a smartindent option which behaves much like that. |
| 12:35:18 | bluebrother | IIRC kate also can do so (but I haven't looked into that for quite a while) |
| 12:37:01 | hockyhair | JdGordon: wine |
| 12:37:29 | theli_ua | so noone knows how to make debug build with profiling? |
| 12:37:44 | JdGordon | bluebrother: im in kate atm, it has a dynamic linewrap hing.. but i want to actually save it so i dont have to manually split up lines |
| 12:38:04 | hockyhair | so is it memory allocation that is keeping the mpeg plugin from playing sound with the video? |
| 12:39:35 | linuxstb_ | hockyhair: No, it's the fact that it hasn't been written yet. mpegplayer is still in the early stages of development. |
| 12:41:05 | linuxstb_ | But as I said, I think it's extremely unlikely that Rockbox will ever have better video playback than the Apple firmware on the 5g. The focus is for all the other devices. |
| 12:42:21 | hockyhair | support for other files is what i am interested in |
| 12:42:51 | hockyhair | i assumed since devolpments were made for new audio files being played back that it would be possible for video as well |
| 12:43:58 | linuxstb_ | Video is much harder to decode than audio - the CPU simply won't be able to decode the video fast enough. |
| 12:44:26 | hockyhair | has the fw from the decoder been dumped |
| 12:44:34 | hockyhair | id like to obtain a copy if so |
| 12:44:56 | linuxstb_ | You've got a copy - it's the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file you extracted when installing Rockbox. |
| 12:45:28 | hockyhair | i'll show it to some friends.. |
| 12:45:32 | linuxstb_ | That particular file is a FAT16 disk image. |
| 12:45:32 | pondlife | Does rockbox.org have any automated .voice file building? Daily, perhaps? |
| 12:45:47 | hockyhair | is there a unoffical sdk for the 5g? |
| 12:45:52 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: No, it's all done under Windows - rockbox.org runs Linux. |
| 12:46:22 | pondlife | OK. So would it be best if I upload a new file to the wiki for now? |
| 12:46:37 | linuxstb_ | hockyhair: What do you mean? |
| 12:47:28 | hockyhair | nvm i need sleep, gl with all ventures with rockbox and beyond.. gn |
| 12:47:28 | scorche | hockyhair: there is a vmware image...but that is as close as it comes...not sure exactly what you are looking for in an sdk |
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| 12:51:19 | * | scorche shrugs and goes off to dreamland... |
| 12:52:03 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, is there our profiling not working? |
| 12:57:23 | linuxstb_ | afaik, it should work, but I've never used it. But I think the script that processes the profiling log to display useful statistics needs adapting for ARM. |
| 12:58:25 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*@h193019.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 12:58:25 | Kick | (#Rockbox dongs :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 12:59:14 | JdGordon | make it permanent! |
| 12:59:21 | Bagder | indeed |
| 12:59:33 | Bagder | I removed it to offer him another chance |
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| 13:00:26 | webguest32 | Does anyone here have a Sansa e270 or e280? |
| 13:01:02 | Bagder | I have an e260 |
| 13:01:10 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, i doesn't compile for me :( .. wanted to try it |
| 13:01:55 | amiconn | I guess profiling was broken by the new scheduler. |
| 13:02:00 | webguest32 | Bagder: Yes, I know, but it won't help me any :-) |
| 13:02:06 | amiconn | Some part wasn't adapted properly |
| 13:02:52 | theli_ua | thats bad :( |
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| 13:05:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: fmrecorder rockbox.bin is 236840, and i dont tihnk there is much more trimming in my patch that can be done |
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| 13:06:06 | JdGordon | and on that note... i tinhk its almost ready for commit...all it needs is moer testing... and volanteers? |
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| 13:11:05 | markun | Bagder: dongs also logs in as timemob on brew.ne.jp |
| 13:11:38 | Bagder | this ban kept him out the last time, but yeah I might need to adapt it |
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| 13:19:23 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: What patch are you talking about? |
| 13:19:34 | JdGordon | settings + menu rework |
| 13:20:14 | linuxstb_ | Have you changed it to use the original config-file strings? |
| 13:20:28 | JdGordon | yes, and that blew out the file size.. |
| 13:20:58 | JdGordon | it would be worse.. but i sacrafies backwards compat on about 5 settings which are not major to keep the size down a bit |
| 13:21:51 | linuxstb_ | What did you do? Just reduce the lengths of some strings? |
| 13:22:48 | JdGordon | no, some which had the values for the list as an english string i just reused, but some settings which do this store the number instead, so i jus changed that |
| 13:23:20 | JdGordon | it effects < 10 settings, and none are theme settings so i didnt think it was such a big ddeal |
| 13:23:31 | JdGordon | patch is @ http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding |
| 13:24:36 | linuxstb_ | It's not easy to see what's changed... |
| 13:25:01 | JdGordon | no... thats the problem with big diffs... |
| 13:25:59 | linuxstb_ | Why have you changed the functions in tagcache.c to return int instead of bool? |
| 13:26:52 | JdGordon | because the menus take an int (*blaa)(void) now... they need to be able to return more than 2 values |
| 13:27:37 | linuxstb_ | What can they return? |
| 13:28:12 | linuxstb_ | But menu_run still returns bool? |
| 13:28:17 | JdGordon | umm.... i cant remember :p i did that a while ago |
| 13:28:38 | JdGordon | and yes |
| 13:28:47 | JdGordon | menu_run is not used for the main menu system anymore |
| 13:29:42 | linuxstb_ | Your patch also breaks the character encoding - e.g. look at Zagor's name in main_menu.h... |
| 13:30:05 | JdGordon | grr.. forgot to check that again.. its stupid kate being stupid |
| 13:30:43 | LinusN | no, it's you who is stupid using kate :-) |
| 13:31:05 | JdGordon | whats a better editor? |
| 13:31:14 | LinusN | emacs |
| 13:31:19 | JdGordon | bah |
| 13:31:23 | * | LinusN waits for the "vim" |
| 13:31:39 | JdGordon | n freeking way im using vim.. i need my mouse when i code :p |
| 13:32:10 | DarthShrine | nano > * *runs* |
| 13:32:23 | theli_ua | JdGordon, try cream |
| 13:36:19 | LinusN | i'd say that the most basic requirement is that an editor should not change anything automatically |
| 13:36:42 | * | JdGordon feels some de-ja-vu comeing on :p |
| 13:36:58 | LinusN | you should be able to load just about any file and save it again, be it a binary file or whatever |
| 13:37:43 | LinusN | heh, i once used the editor that came with Procomm Plus |
| 13:37:51 | JdGordon | im actually tihnknig its diff stuffing it up, becuase the files that are changes are fine on my local copy.. its the diff which is wrong |
| 13:37:59 | LinusN | it always saved with CR/LF |
| 13:38:27 | LinusN | and if there were only LF's in the file, it just replaced the character before the LF with CR (!) |
| 13:38:36 | JdGordon | ha |
| 13:38:56 | DarthShrine | Painful. |
| 13:39:16 | LinusN | need i say i only used it once :-) |
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| 14:00:46 | preglow | editors changing anything else than what you yourself ask it to change are worthless |
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| 14:04:33 | LinusN | otoh, i am blessed with a language with all letters in iso8859-1, so i don't need to mess around with unicode |
| 14:05:13 | preglow | i've got a couple outside of it :> |
| 14:05:17 | preglow | anyway, unicode is a good thing |
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| 14:07:28 | * | JdGordon ponders the age old question.. why the hell wont my damn code work! |
| 14:08:42 | LinusN | i once got the error message "?DIR ERROR" on my C64 |
| 14:08:58 | LinusN | i asked the guy next to what that meant, and he answered: |
| 14:09:27 | LinusN | - Dir means "you" in german, it's you that is the problem |
| 14:09:40 | JdGordon | haha |
| 14:09:50 | JdGordon | ID-10-T error :D |
| 14:09:58 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 14:11:39 | JdGordon | my idiot computer cant count to 160 for some reason... it keeps stopping @ 147 |
| 14:12:01 | LinusN | send it back |
| 14:12:25 | LinusN | i sent mine back because it could only count to 1 :-) |
| 14:12:47 | Arathis | is there anythin else necessary to backup than WPSs, .cfg files in the root folder and perhaps .score files in the rocks filder? |
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| 14:16:03 | LinusN | Arathis: i dunno, where are your doom and pacbox roms? |
| 14:16:24 | Arathis | player root, not in .rockbox |
| 14:17:29 | Arathis | LinusN: so, that might be all? or anything else I made/generate or somehting, but don't know about? |
| 14:18:01 | LinusN | not sure, but nothing vital i suppose |
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| 14:20:20 | Arathis | okay, thanks |
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| 14:34:33 | JdGordon | grrrr!!!!!!! found the damn bug |
| 14:34:41 | JdGordon | old themes work again |
| 14:35:48 | LinusN | dir error? :-) |
| 14:36:45 | JdGordon | the not counting to 160... i had a break which i thought was connected to a switch() but it was connected to the for().. :'( |
| 14:38:37 | LinusN | heh |
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| 15:26:29 | abusenode | on the other hand, you win. fuck rockbox. too many idiot misfeatures, too many bugs, and developers are fucking ignoring assfucks. |
| 15:26:47 | abusenode | back to apple firmware for me and i'll finish fixing my mp3 copying app so i dont have to use jewtunes |
| 15:27:02 | abusenode | and fuck you to Bagder specifically. |
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| 15:27:42 | JdGordon | hope that fucker burns in a horrid car crash |
| 15:27:43 | crwl | boo hoo :( |
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| 15:29:00 | Genre9mp3 | His nick says it all... |
| 15:29:18 | daurnimator | heh |
| 15:29:27 | daurnimator | touche Genre9mp3, touche |
| 15:32:03 | LinusN | oh no! he's threatening not to use rockbox! |
| 15:32:10 | LinusN | what should we do? |
| 15:32:25 | JdGordon | be thankful? :D |
| 15:32:48 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 15:32:54 | preglow | i love that guy! |
| 15:33:15 | LinusN | i wonder where those people come from |
| 15:33:21 | JdGordon | I00: at 3101a1ac <- how do i figure out what did that? it doesnt crash in the sim.. |
| 15:33:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: the map file |
| 15:33:51 | LinusN | and objdump |
| 15:33:54 | preglow | don't know where they're coming from, but i know where they'll be going to if i ever manage to build that catapult |
| 15:34:02 | LinusN | preglow: lol |
| 15:34:15 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder about his "on the other hand, you win" statement... |
| 15:34:35 | linuxstb_ | Seems we should be reading Apple Insider - they predicted the launch date and hardware in the new Nano back in June: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1856 |
| 15:35:13 | linuxstb_ | More info is here: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2065 - apparently they're now using a custom Wolfson codec |
| 15:35:17 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: we win, meaning that he won't come back |
| 15:35:25 | JdGordon | 0x31019eb0 gui_scrollbar_draw <- does this mean it crashed in that function? |
| 15:35:32 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: heh |
| 15:35:47 | LinusN | JdGordon: could be, maybe it's a div-by-zero? |
| 15:37:06 | JdGordon | dunno... it did it as soon as i enetered the wps... reset settings seems to have fixed it.. |
| 15:37:25 | LinusN | probably the peak meter then |
| 15:37:48 | preglow | god, this will be a fun port |
| 15:37:51 | preglow | if it ever gets started |
| 15:38:04 | * | bluebrother just comes back and missed the emacs^Wvim discussion |
| 15:38:15 | bluebrother | JdGordon, I use gvim −− vim with a gui :) |
| 15:38:16 | LinusN | preglow: well, it would mean many hours with idapro |
| 15:38:30 | preglow | we can't even do that until we decrypt the os |
| 15:39:16 | LinusN | preglow: major pain |
| 15:40:13 | preglow | LinusN: everything's bloody encrypted |
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| 15:40:28 | preglow | so some hardware hackery will probably be needed |
| 15:40:42 | JdGordon | seen as the title isnt saying anything interestign atm.. can i request it point to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6595.0 please? the patch is 99% done and just needs lots of testing |
| 15:41:01 | LinusN | JdGordon: so how did you solve the ata callback issue? |
| 15:41:21 | JdGordon | havnt yet... it seems stable for the moment.. |
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| 16:00:32 | nudelyn | christ, has ANYONE made an iPod 5G case that isn't complete crap? |
| 16:00:47 | nudelyn | i just want something that is thin and will protect it from scratches. grr |
| 16:01:00 | nudelyn | tried that invisibleshield crap twice now but it gets covered in dust as you apply it. impossible to get right |
| 16:01:43 | bluebrother | nudelyn, I got an iskin for my h120 and I like it pretty much. Maybe that's a good option for ipods also? |
| 16:02:46 | nudelyn | i've got an iskin evo3 but it makes the thing much bigger |
| 16:02:52 | nudelyn | and uglier IMO |
| 16:02:54 | nudelyn | :( |
| 16:03:24 | nudelyn | why can't apple make it out of better material. or someone offer to take my money and apply an invisibleshield properly, heh |
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| 16:08:31 | LinusN | bluebrother: there? |
| 16:08:39 | bluebrother | LinusN, yes. |
| 16:08:54 | LinusN | i'm looking at your fm region patch |
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| 16:09:10 | bluebrother | oh. Nice. |
| 16:09:18 | LinusN | i like it, but maybe you should call it "region" instead of "country" |
| 16:09:51 | bluebrother | hehe, I already thought about that (but haven't changed it yet) |
| 16:10:14 | bluebrother | as I noticed it's mostly a region setting and not country. |
| 16:11:37 | LinusN | exactly |
| 16:11:47 | bluebrother | I'll update the patch as soon as I can. |
| 16:11:52 | LinusN | greato |
| 16:12:00 | bluebrother | any other things I should change? |
| 16:12:23 | LinusN | looks ok for now |
| 16:12:31 | bluebrother | great :) |
| 16:12:46 | LinusN | i'll test it on the archos |
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| 16:25:32 | amiconn | LinusN: Can you test the fm region patch on fmrecorder (i.e. samsung tuner)? |
| 16:25:53 | LinusN | yes i will |
| 16:26:01 | amiconn | I could perhaps test on new Ondio FM as well (i.e. Philips tuner) |
| 16:26:06 | LinusN | goodie |
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| 16:29:53 | bluebrother | tucoz, I noticed the discussion about irc clients for windows −− why not use xchat? ;-) There are inofficial builds that aren't shareware (like the official). |
| 16:30:34 | tucoz | oh, cool. I always thought xchat == $ for windows |
| 16:30:52 | * | amiconn doesn't like xchat |
| 16:30:59 | bluebrother | it is, but there are those inofficial builds. I'm using that myself when running windows |
| 16:31:14 | SUSaiyan | http://www.silverex.org/ |
| 16:31:21 | tucoz | ok. do you have a name for one of those, or will google help me? |
| 16:31:38 | tucoz | SUSaiyan: thanks |
| 16:31:39 | SUSaiyan | tucoz: see that url :) |
| 16:31:44 | tucoz | :) |
| 16:31:44 | SUSaiyan | youre welcome :) |
| 16:31:54 | amiconn | I once tried xcgat on windows (iirc it was that inoficial version), and it was unstable |
| 16:32:05 | bluebrother | the wikipedia article on xchat has some. |
| 16:32:07 | SUSaiyan | it never crashed on me |
| 16:32:21 | amiconn | It crashed on me like once per hour |
| 16:32:32 | SUSaiyan | thats odd |
| 16:32:49 | tucoz | then i understand why you don't like it. But in my experience, it never crashes |
| 16:32:54 | bluebrother | it's the only irc client I use then running windows and it's stable for me. Don't know if it's the silverx build |
| 16:33:34 | SUSaiyan | ive always used silverx |
| 16:33:47 | SUSaiyan | though that was a while back |
| 16:34:48 | tucoz | I came to think of something. I wouldn't be surprised if people that like vim use irssi, and people that like emacs use xchat. |
| 16:35:18 | SUSaiyan | i use vim and xchat-gnome ^^ |
| 16:35:28 | * | theli_ua likes vim and use xchat |
| 16:35:40 | * | bluebrother uses gvim and xchat |
| 16:35:47 | SUSaiyan | i only use irssi if ive only got ssh |
| 16:36:09 | bluebrother | but irssi is nice if you don't have a GUI |
| 16:36:11 | tucoz | ...with exceptions of course |
| 16:36:17 | SUSaiyan | indeed |
| 16:36:18 | SUSaiyan | lol |
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| 16:36:52 | SUSaiyan | hi again |
| 16:36:55 | tucoz_ | hi |
| 16:37:00 | tucoz_ | hmm, i do not like this font |
| 16:37:10 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 16:37:28 | tucoz_ | but that i can customize |
| 16:37:31 | * | bluebrother discovered dejavu recently |
| 16:37:35 | amiconn | SUSaiyan: I even don't like it where it doesn't crash, e.g. on my linux box |
| 16:38:38 | SUSaiyan | hehe, okay, why not though? |
| 16:38:44 | tucoz_ | amiconn: I had a look at hydrairc. But that was a bit too overkill for my taste |
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| 16:39:31 | tucoz | ah, happy now. Xchat is so much better than chatzilla |
| 16:39:42 | SUSaiyan | lol ^^ |
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| 16:42:21 | bluebrother | it's always nice to be able using your favorite linux apps on windows. I get more and more addicted to gvim |
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| 16:43:41 | bluebrother | tucoz, different topic: I started trying to build an index. Works nice (except it needs a bit tweaking to look better) but I haven't found out how I modify it to produce section numbers for the html manual |
| 16:43:47 | Slasheri | tucoz: but irssi is a way superiour compared to other clients |
| 16:44:24 | tucoz | Slasheri, so i've heard. but xchat suits my needs just perfectly |
| 16:44:27 | Slasheri | with terminal settings and irssi settings it can be customized to look and feel like anything |
| 16:45:01 | amiconn | non-gui != superior imo |
| 16:45:16 | tucoz | bluebrother, cool. Do we have to mark words somehow then? |
| 16:45:30 | tucoz | that should be indexed |
| 16:45:35 | Slasheri | eh.. there is no need for a gui for irc client. it only slows things down |
| 16:45:44 | Slasheri | and can't be used remotely from everywhere, even from a pda |
| 16:45:56 | SUSaiyan | vnc :P |
| 16:46:08 | amiconn | rdp |
| 16:46:08 | Slasheri | hehe, yep :D |
| 16:46:23 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes. Just add \index{foo} at the appropriate places. You can even have subentries, like \index{Installation!manual} |
| 16:46:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: but i don't think that is a very practical solution. With a command line program, it can be used universally almost from every machine connected to network |
| 16:46:54 | bluebrother | hehe, how about nx? |
| 16:46:57 | Slasheri | including mobile phones with gprs and qwerty keyboard |
| 16:47:24 | bluebrother | gui == superior doesn't match either. It depends heavily on the user and the task ;-) |
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| 16:47:44 | SUSaiyan | i prefer a mix of both :) |
| 16:48:24 | tucoz | this looks too complicated and crowded for my taste (but probably isn't) http://www.hydrairc.com/index.php?page=screenshots |
| 16:48:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: and with advanced irc logging and features, i don't any point in using a gui based client. if your computer crashes or something like that, you would get disconnected |
| 16:49:07 | SUSaiyan | tucoz: i doubt id like that either, i prefer a clean interface :) |
| 16:49:21 | pondlife | tucoz: I tried it, but came back to Miranda sharpish. |
| 16:49:25 | tucoz | bluebrother, I thought it was something like that. Then we can use some search and rename to index words. Should be a pretty easy task. |
| 16:49:25 | pondlife | Too busy |
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| 16:51:27 | tucoz | brb |
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| 16:54:15 | amiconn | Slasheri: I just deem pure command line too cumbersome for general use |
| 16:54:55 | amiconn | And Hydra IRC is very configurable |
| 16:55:40 | amiconn | bluebrother: NX would be an option - just that I can't find any packages fopr my distribution |
| 16:55:48 | amiconn | (debian-amd64) |
| 16:56:21 | bluebrother | I have nx running on fedora core and like it pretty much. Quite fast :) |
| 16:56:46 | bluebrother | have you tried looking for freenx? |
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| 16:57:30 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:57:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: really? for example with irssi, all necessary commands can be bind to two keys. For example changing between windows: alt-1, -2, -3... and for windows 10-> alt-q, alt-w, ... or next active window alt-a. And you can easily have over 100 open windows, i couldn't even think about how one would survive with a gui based client and that many windows :) And of course you see instantly on the status bar what windows have currently ... |
| 16:57:39 | Slasheri | ... activity or if you have messages in private query windows (with color coding) |
| 16:57:48 | Slasheri | [17:57] [Slasheri(+ei)] [10:#rockbox(+cnt)] [Act: 3,4,6,7,8,14,16,18,20,53] |
| 16:57:59 | Slasheri | the channel status bar looks something like that |
| 16:58:32 | Slasheri | but you can customize it of course, and every command is instantly available without touching the mouse :) |
| 16:58:41 | SUSaiyan | you have 53 windows open? |
| 16:58:43 | amiconn | Changing between windows by a mouse click is faster for me than remembering a number |
| 16:58:47 | Slasheri | SUSaiyan: yes |
| 16:58:57 | SUSaiyan | lol :) |
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| 16:59:19 | Slasheri | i have had over 150 open windows, but now i try to remember closed old queries :) |
| 16:59:19 | tucoz | Slasheri, i guess you use irc more than me. I connect to 1 or 2 channels, and then xchat is perfectly fine |
| 16:59:38 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
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| 17:00:19 | theli_ua | what's size of PLUGIN_IRAM (ipod mini) ? |
| 17:00:25 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 17:00:41 | bluebrother | hmm, seems gvim put some tabs in my patch. Is there a command to count the number of tabs in a file? |
| 17:00:41 | amiconn | PLUGIN_RAM is 32KB for archos, and 512KB for all others except iFP |
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| 17:01:07 | amiconn | For iFP I don't know, afaik no plugins at all so far |
| 17:01:09 | SUSaiyan | i only have 43 windows open open |
| 17:01:18 | SUSaiyan | er, without the double open |
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| 17:02:15 | SUSaiyan | plugin ram? |
| 17:02:47 | nls | ram available to plugins (without killing playback) |
| 17:03:02 | tucoz | bluebrother, maybe you can grep for \t and use wc? |
| 17:03:05 | tucoz | not sure |
| 17:03:08 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 17:03:16 | UnsaneLife | hey how well does rockbox work? for a Iriver H300 serise |
| 17:03:21 | SUSaiyan | theres so much ram needed to play an mp3 then? |
| 17:04:14 | amiconn | Not necessarily needed, but desired |
| 17:04:41 | amiconn | Rockbox buffers as much data as possible in ram in order to spin up the disk less often |
| 17:04:44 | SUSaiyan | though i have no idea how much ram an archos has |
| 17:04:50 | nls | 2mb |
| 17:04:50 | amiconn | 2MB |
| 17:04:54 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 17:04:55 | nls | :-P |
| 17:04:59 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 17:05:00 | bluebrother | ok, used the dirty way: replace all occurrences of tab with a strange character and grepped for that. |
| 17:05:18 | bluebrother | and indeed, my old patch had still some tabs in it :( |
| 17:06:02 | SUSaiyan | with 2 mb ram i can understand plugins cant use much ^^ |
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| 17:07:57 | SUSaiyan | makes me wonder why ipod nanos have 32MB of ram |
| 17:08:01 | UnsaneLife | can anyone answer my question how well does rockbox work with the Iriver H300 serise? |
| 17:08:18 | nls | pretty well |
| 17:09:12 | UnsaneLife | if I install the rockbox onto it would I be able to get the old firmware back on? |
| 17:09:38 | UnsaneLife | if I needed to...... |
| 17:09:48 | nls | yep, you can dual boot |
| 17:10:14 | UnsaneLife | how do you duel boot with it? |
| 17:10:49 | nls | hol down rec and play until iriver firmware boots |
| 17:10:59 | nls | hold even |
| 17:11:04 | UnsaneLife | thank you |
| 17:11:10 | nls | sure |
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| 17:12:04 | UnsaneLife | I also heard wiht rockbox you get more battery life is that true? |
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| 17:13:35 | nls | check this pagae to see som runtime test http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IriverRuntime but idk if it's better than the OF |
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| 17:14:34 | amiconn | SUSaiyan: Ipod nanos having 32MB RAM is just a design reuse I'd say |
| 17:14:40 | UnsaneLife | thanks |
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| 17:15:24 | amiconn | They also use the same PP chip as (some of) the HD based ipods, and not the special version for flash based players |
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| 17:15:48 | UnsaneLife | also nls I have one more question trasfering music I couldn't find much on that how do you transfer music useing the rockbox software? |
| 17:16:27 | UnsaneLife | firmware^ |
| 17:16:49 | nls | You just plug it into your computer and do it as a normal ums device (like you used to) |
| 17:16:59 | nls | dar and drop and stuff |
| 17:17:04 | tucoz | bluebrother, regarding the discussion in FS on keypresses in the manual. When I added the action stuff, I just entered the keys quick and without any thought that this would be the final layout. That is why i used 'or' as a separator instead of / |
| 17:17:04 | UnsaneLife | k thanks |
| 17:17:42 | DarthJin | /ignore *!*@freenode/staff/* notice |
| 17:17:46 | UnsaneLife | ok thanks for answering all my questions have a nice day |
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| 17:18:05 | DarthJin | Yeah.. i'm noob.. ..that was a command that went to screen.. |
| 17:18:10 | DarthJin | bad noob! |
| 17:18:13 | bluebrother | tucoz, ok. I think we should change that to / then. |
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| 17:18:45 | amiconn | SUSaiyan: In fact design reuse isn't uncommon. Archos also reused the design of the fm recorder for the Ondio, and only changed what was absolutely necessary (i.e. MMC interface instead of ATA) |
| 17:18:58 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. We should. And also decide what we should call a long press. Something that could be used in both the text and in the tables. |
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| 17:18:59 | amiconn | ...and some minor things |
| 17:19:04 | tucoz | bbl |
| 17:19:27 | bluebrother | true. |
| 17:21:34 | SUSaiyan | amiconn: okay, why do the HD ipods have 32 mb of ram though? all for cache? |
| 17:21:52 | linuxstb | Apple's OS is at least 5MB... |
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| 17:23:56 | amiconn | SUSaiyan: The more cache RAM the better. The iPod video 60GB even has 64MB RAM |
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| 17:27:01 | SUSaiyan | nice |
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| 17:44:49 | nls | Anyone think we can remove the note in the manual that explains why the ask setting for resume on startup was removed? |
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| 17:48:10 | bluebrother | nls, maybe we should add such sutff in the changelog? |
| 17:48:20 | bluebrother | *stuff |
| 17:49:59 | nls | yep, probably... |
| 17:50:59 | nls | heh it already is (in the 2.5 changelog) "The resume setting has been renamed to 'Resume on Startup'. Pressing the resume button from the WPS now resumes without prompting, regardless of the resume on startup setting. For this reason, the "Ask" setting has been removed, as you can now always resume by pressing a single button." |
| 17:51:34 | bluebrother | nice. we need to integrate the changelog anyway at some point |
| 17:55:20 | amiconn | "Pressing the resume button from the WPS.." <= _slightly_ wrong |
| 17:55:38 | amiconn | Should be "...from the browser" |
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| 18:11:54 | nls | bluebrother, options in the manual is ON OFF and they are Yes No on target... |
| 18:12:24 | bluebrother | nls, what options do you mean? |
| 18:12:36 | nls | like shuffle for example |
| 18:12:43 | bluebrother | all bool options in the settings chapter? |
| 18:13:03 | nls | no apparently most of them are correct |
| 18:13:10 | nls | I'll fix |
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| 18:15:21 | roolku | Slasheri: there seems to be a limit of 8 menus in tagnavi.config - is this correct? |
| 18:15:24 | amiconn | On target, some bool options are Yes/No, and others are On/Off, whichever makes more sense |
| 18:15:47 | roolku | Slasheri: if there are more it hangs the h120 on boot (thanks for bootloader USB) |
| 18:16:04 | nls | ok but shuffle was on/off in the manual and Yes/no on target :) |
| 18:16:19 | roolku | Slasheri: in the sim it segfaults: |
| 18:16:38 | nls | Party mode stops when you enter fmradio or recording. |
| 18:16:48 | roolku | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 18:17:05 | roolku | 0x0041a3b3 in parse_menu (filename=0x45d103 "/.rockbox/tagnavi.config") |
| 18:17:21 | roolku | at tagtree.c:672 |
| 18:17:45 | roolku | 672 menu->itemcount = 0; |
| 18:18:15 | roolku | Slasheri: could this be please increased to say 16? |
| 18:18:35 | Slasheri | roolku: ah, there is a bug because it hangs |
| 18:18:39 | roolku | Slasheri: a graceful error would be nice as well. :) |
| 18:18:45 | Slasheri | but you are correct, i will fix that and increase it to 16 :) |
| 18:18:59 | roolku | Thanks a lot |
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| 18:29:59 | bluebrother | what is the fm chip in the ondio fm? Samsung or Philips? |
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| 18:30:52 | bluebrother | ah, there are two variants. |
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| 18:55:26 | amiconn | bluebrother: Yes, there are two hardware versions of the Ondio FM (in fact 3 variants, but only 2 different radio chips) |
| 18:55:49 | amiconn | The Philips chip is _way_ better than the Samsung |
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| 19:04:00 | Arathis | where does bubbles save which lvl waqs the last? |
| 19:06:02 | bluebrother | what happens if I have a switch statement without a default case and call it with a value that isn't covered anywhere? |
| 19:07:53 | mh546 | Hi! How do I have to work with the simulator? I built the simulator successfully. It gets successfully re-built when changing, for instance, the bookmark.c file. A change of playback.c, on the contrary results only in a "nothing to be done" when calling make. Any help appreciated. |
| 19:08:40 | bluebrother | mh546, are you building for a archos device? |
| 19:10:53 | mh546 | yes, I do. |
| 19:11:52 | nls | playback.c is swcodec only, right? |
| 19:11:55 | linuxstb | Check apps/SOURCES - playback.c isn't build for ARchos. |
| 19:12:09 | bluebrother | archos do playback using a hardware chip, so playback.c doesn't apply for them. |
| 19:13:43 | mh546 | Oh, that explains everything! Thanks a lot. |
| 19:15:27 | mh546 | Where do I have to look for the pause/fade out call for the archos device, then? |
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| 19:22:53 | linuxstb | You mean the "fade on stop" feature/ |
| 19:22:54 | linuxstb | ? |
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| 19:29:25 | mh546 | I'm just trying to understand the internal structure of rockbox. As a first exercise, I wanted to fiddle around with the play/pause function. I now found out that it is triggered in gwps.c. |
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| 19:36:17 | mh546 | Actually, I was trying to do the following: When having the "fade on pause" option activated and pressing pause, the song fades out, then the play icon changes into a pause icon. I wanted to change that behaviour in order to get instant optic feedfack that my button press was recognised by the device. It seems that this is not as easy as the icon seems to be hard-connected to the mpeg state. |
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| 19:36:57 | markun | mh546: yes, please simplify the playback code! :) |
| 19:37:34 | markun | barrywardell: did you figure out yet how to calculate BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR? |
| 19:37:34 | pagefault | hi barry, I finally tried out the firmware on my h10 it works well |
| 19:37:43 | pagefault | much easier than pulling out the battery to sync or power down |
| 19:37:54 | barrywardell | great |
| 19:38:11 | barrywardell | so are you happy with the current behaviour? |
| 19:38:31 | barrywardell | or have you any suggestions for a better one? |
| 19:38:44 | barrywardell | markun: no |
| 19:38:48 | barrywardell | any tips |
| 19:38:51 | pagefault | maybe an option to go into sync mode when you plugged in the cable |
| 19:39:04 | pagefault | rather than keep running |
| 19:39:06 | markun | barrywardell: a fully charged li-ion battery is about 420 centivolts |
| 19:39:09 | pagefault | but keep the button option |
| 19:39:32 | barrywardell | markun: I know the values from the adc at max and min battery |
| 19:39:49 | markun | ok, then you can calculate the factor |
| 19:39:54 | barrywardell | how do i convert that to centivolts? |
| 19:39:56 | markun | What's the adc value? |
| 19:40:13 | barrywardell | 0x330=min, 0x380=max |
| 19:40:58 | markun | 0x330 before the h10 shuts down?? |
| 19:41:31 | barrywardell | 0x330 is when the bootloader won't start up because of low battery |
| 19:41:47 | barrywardell | if I leave Rockbox running, it can keep going much lower than that |
| 19:42:00 | pagefault | haha |
| 19:42:02 | barrywardell | backlight flickers around 0x300 |
| 19:42:05 | pagefault | yeah I noticed that too |
| 19:42:40 | pagefault | I charge for about 5 seconds so I can boot then I can plug in the charger |
| 19:43:23 | pagefault | but it will run for much longer if I don't attach a charger |
| 19:43:32 | pagefault | but totally do random things |
| 19:44:26 | markun | barrywardell: try a scale factor of 4688 |
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| 19:44:55 | barrywardell | cool. can I ask how you came up with that number? |
| 19:45:04 | markun | (420 / 0x380) * 10000 |
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| 19:45:27 | markun | from the calculations in firmware/powermgmt.c |
| 19:45:48 | barrywardell | ah, i see. thanks |
| 19:47:01 | markun | can you try it? |
| 19:47:11 | barrywardell | i will right now |
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| 19:49:32 | markun | barrywardell: another problem: it will not the right percentages now |
| 19:50:06 | markun | You need to add your own battery to percent_to_volt_discharge |
| 19:50:07 | barrywardell | is that the percent_to_volt_discharge thing? |
| 19:50:11 | markun | :) |
| 19:50:25 | markun | copy the BATT_LIPOL1300 one |
| 19:50:45 | barrywardell | so i use the centivolt value, not the adc value there? |
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| 19:50:56 | barrywardell | and in battery_level_dangerous? |
| 19:51:13 | markun | well, you need to find out these values from experimenting |
| 19:51:43 | amiconn | percent_to_volt_discharge should be virtually identical for all LiPo batteries |
| 19:52:24 | markun | amiconn: well, I think the h10 has a different '0%' voltage.. |
| 19:52:29 | amiconn | The only way to find the true scale factor would be to use a voltmeter |
| 19:53:05 | amiconn | Measure the voltage and read the adc in paralle, then adjust the factor so that the calculation yields the true voltage |
| 19:53:12 | amiconn | (in centivolts) |
| 19:53:28 | markun | barrywardell: with the scale factor I calculated the backlight flickers at 360 centivolt.. That's not very low. |
| 19:53:32 | amiconn | markun: I doubt that it is much different |
| 19:53:45 | barrywardell | i'm planning on taking my H10 apart for some other tests at some stage, so i'll take a voltmeter to the battery too |
| 19:54:21 | barrywardell | markun: it may be lower than that, I can't remember |
| 19:54:33 | barrywardell | i think i was still able to run my h10 at 0x280 |
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| 20:00:34 | barrywardell | hmm. |
| 20:00:48 | barrywardell | when I start up, the battery level is at empty (flashing) |
| 20:01:07 | barrywardell | it slowly increases towards full over a couple of minutes |
| 20:02:05 | barrywardell | but the adc values don't change much from startup |
| 20:02:55 | amiconn | That looks like the adc is initialised too late, so the first read yields zero |
| 20:03:47 | amiconn | A moving average is applied to the voltage values in the powermgmt thread |
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| 20:04:04 | barrywardell | ah, indeed i think you're right. I need to force a scan on startup |
| 20:05:05 | markun | barrywardell: the scan is done in power_thread() (or are you not talking about this?) |
| 20:05:45 | barrywardell | adc_read() doesn't actually scan the adc, adc_scan() does |
| 20:06:06 | markun | ah |
| 20:06:38 | barrywardell | so a scan when initialising will hopefully solve the problem |
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| 20:24:37 | hockyhair | is there any place to check the status of 5g devolpment? |
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| 20:28:00 | nls | most rockbox info can be found in the wiki http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus |
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| 20:31:57 | barrywardell | ah, think it's working now. thanks for your help markun and amiconn |
| 20:32:14 | barrywardell | i'll have to do some more testing to get it totally accurate though |
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| 20:41:03 | Davide-NYC | anyone working on wma or m4a decoding? |
| 20:41:13 | Davide-NYC | I am willing to do testing. |
| 20:42:31 | Wett | linuxstb: yep ^^ |
| 20:43:28 | linuxstb_ | How's the rvf player? :) |
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| 20:45:06 | Wett | errr... |
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| 20:46:29 | Wett | it should be almost rewritten from scratch I think |
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| 20:48:21 | linuxstb_ | I know amiconn has expressed an interest in working on it. |
| 20:49:38 | Wett | oh |
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| 20:50:34 | Wett | I think I still have the modified tools for creating bigger rvf files somewhere |
| 20:51:02 | Wett | if I remind well, the wiki sources links are broken |
| 20:51:08 | linuxstb_ | I'm sure anything you've done would be useful for others wanting to continue the work. |
| 20:51:49 | Wett | sure |
| 20:52:06 | Wett | i'll look for the sources then |
| 20:54:37 | Wett | erf, still can't manage to build the uisim using cygwin -_- |
| 20:55:42 | linuxstb_ | What's the problem? |
| 20:55:58 | Wett | make: *** /home/Mathieu/rockbox/uisimulator/sdl: No such file or directory. Sto |
| 20:55:58 | Wett | p. |
| 20:56:52 | Wett | this uisimulator directory doesn't exist, i've certainly missed a step anywhere |
| 20:57:14 | linuxstb_ | Try "cvs -z3 co uisimulator" in your rockbox directory. |
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| 21:01:38 | Wett | seems to work, thx ! |
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| 21:53:07 | pagefault | that was crazy |
| 21:53:35 | pagefault | I could not get another makefile for a while |
| 21:53:48 | pagefault | but now magically it generated a makefile |
| 21:53:52 | pagefault | ohw ell |
| 21:53:59 | pagefault | well at least I have one now |
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| 22:39:28 | markun | is the wiki down? |
| 22:39:38 | markun | there it is again.. |
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| 22:41:45 | markun | now that we have m3u8 support we could save rockbox playlists in that format and use the default codepage when we read the m3u files |
| 22:43:27 | bluebrother | nice idea. |
| 22:43:45 | * | amiconn wonders what m3u8 is |
| 22:43:49 | pagefault | wow what is a m3u8 file |
| 22:44:05 | pagefault | utf8 formatted? |
| 22:44:12 | bluebrother | m3u in utf8, without bom. |
| 22:44:22 | pagefault | ah |
| 22:44:25 | bluebrother | that's generated by foobar for example |
| 22:44:26 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 22:44:36 | amiconn | Strange method... |
| 22:44:46 | bluebrother | writing m3u in utf8 tends to cause confusion ... |
| 22:44:51 | pagefault | what do you guys use to sync |
| 22:45:09 | bluebrother | what's strange on using a different file extension? |
| 22:45:10 | pagefault | I need to find something that syncs my stuff into nice folders and playlists with rockbox |
| 22:45:40 | * | amiconn doesn't use a special sync tool |
| 22:45:50 | pagefault | just copy it over |
| 22:45:51 | pagefault | ? |
| 22:45:52 | amiconn | Just windows explorer or the equivalent on other OS'es |
| 22:46:00 | pagefault | yeah I have a UMS device |
| 22:46:17 | pagefault | just wondered if there was something that was a bit nicer to find what I was looking for |
| 22:46:30 | * | bluebrother wants to set up a script using rsync for this. |
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| 22:47:02 | Bagder | bluebrother: rsync -avW −−progress −−size-only −−delete /data/mp3/* /mnt/archos/ |
| 22:47:38 | bluebrother | Bagder, this does only sync from PC -> dap, does it? |
| 22:47:44 | pagefault | also is there a util to build the tag db offline |
| 22:47:50 | pagefault | instead of waiting for the player |
| 22:47:52 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:48:05 | bluebrother | I believe there is a script in tools/ |
| 22:48:21 | pagefault | ok thanks, I hope I am not asking too many questions |
| 22:48:55 | bluebrother | better asking questions here than opening "bugs" in the tracker with support questions ;-) |
| 22:49:24 | pagefault | i'm trying to figure out everything I can about this so I can eventually start writing some useful code for it |
| 22:49:42 | bluebrother | pagefault, tools/songdb.pl should be able generating the database for you. |
| 22:49:58 | Bagder | ... at least for ogg and mp3 |
| 22:50:07 | pagefault | thats all I use anyway |
| 22:50:48 | pagefault | thanks i'll make up a script to make up the database before I do my syncs |
| 22:51:28 | hcs | I've disabled the cpu frequency scaling for my 4g ipod, is the frequency reported in debug what its actually running at (11MHz)? |
| 22:51:58 | markun | amiconn: your previous setting for bouncing cards looked nicer on the gigabeat. They fall very fast now. |
| 22:52:43 | * | amiconn tested on sims with all possible resolutions, including gigabeat |
| 22:52:53 | markun | so you prefer it? |
| 22:53:18 | amiconn | Before, they fell too fast on archos and mini, and too slow on larger LCDs like H300 |
| 22:54:12 | amiconn | Now they fall about equally fast on all targets |
| 22:55:42 | amiconn | Animation time is still somewhat different, because (1) the calculation doesn't take the card height into account, and (2) the horizontal speed is always an integer amount of pixels, so there are few possible values on small LCDs, and many possible values on larger LCDs |
| 22:55:47 | markun | they tend to stop bounding pretty quickly if the horizontal speed is low and leave a black bar on the bottom |
| 22:56:25 | amiconn | They should now bounce longer than before, as I reduced the damping... |
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| 22:56:42 | markun | I'll take a screenshot |
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| 22:59:06 | amiconn | The black trail happens if the horizontal speed is low, i.e +1 or -1 |
| 22:59:14 | markun | yes |
| 22:59:24 | amiconn | ...but it also happened before - earlier than now |
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| 23:22:28 | lowlight | Does pcm_calculate_peaks not work properly in the sim? e.g. the oscilloscope looks blocky. |
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| 23:29:45 | amiconn | The blockiness is caused by the OS's PCM driver |
| 23:30:11 | amiconn | It depends on the OS (on windows it's more blocky than on linux), and on the sound card driver |
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| 23:33:32 | lowlight | Ahhh....I wanted to how the fire plugin would look if it used pcm peaks instead of rand()...but on the sim it looked like crap. |
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