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#rockbox log for 2006-09-21

00:00:05 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (
00:00:06bgmrk1and no rockboot
00:00:26 Quit klrspz ()
00:00:34linuxstb_Then you missed step d.1)
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00:00:50 Part moozooh
00:01:09linuxstb_So do d.1) and then e) again.
00:01:23bgmrk1i shall try
00:01:42 Quit bgmrk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:02:08 Nick bgmrk1 is now known as bgmrk (
00:02:10bgmrkthere we go
00:02:36bgmrkgot my name back
00:10:46 Quit ender` (" I'd have called 112 ... but I was downloading a file...")
00:11:19hardeepdoes rockbox build on MacOS 10.4.x?
00:12:05*petur wonders why it takes so long between a button press and the backlight switching on :(
00:12:15hcsspeed of light
00:12:26barrywardellhardeep: you need the patch from the tracker to build the sim
00:12:58barrywardelland need to use or darwinports to install the relevant gcc versions
00:13:33hardeephmmm, any reason patch isn't committed to cvs?
00:13:34bgmrkgot it working!!
00:13:37bgmrkwell the first part
00:13:59bgmrki'll brb....gotta go mow the lawn :p
00:14:30barrywardellhardeep: the only real issue is that it doesn't make a file because Apple's gcc doesn't support -Map
00:16:55hardeepthat doesn't sound like a serious issue imo :) i'd vote for committing the patch
00:18:29amiconnpetur: I suspect the priority scheduling. The backlight thread needs to receive & process the message
00:18:55 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:18:57amiconnIs that with CVS?
00:19:18 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
00:19:34peturit takes about 2.5 seconds to respond
00:19:38 Quit obo ("bye")
00:22:46barrywardellhardepp: there's a -M option which outputs to standard output instead of a file. maybe it could use that and be redirected to a file and could work that way, but i'm not familiar enough with makefiles to make it work
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00:25:09peturhey, who reduced recording peakmeter accuracy to every 4th sample?
00:25:24 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox]")
00:29:05bgmrkok back
00:31:20linuxstb_petur: Ask cvs...
00:31:26bgmrkwat is: top-level (root) folder on your iPod.
00:31:32bgmrkis that just the ipod drive?
00:31:57amiconnpetur: The peak calculation looks rather suspicious
00:33:03amiconnAh, no, it's some nice trickery...
00:33:46linuxstb_bgmrk: Yes.
00:34:11bgmrkso unzip it to that...and then...disconnect ipod
00:34:14peturamiconn: you mean using long* to walk through the samples?
00:34:30jhMikeSDumb Q #6639: is there a tool to get .bmp files back from the data?
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00:35:08amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, rockbox
00:35:22amiconnDisplay the data using lcd_bitmap(), and then take a screendump
00:35:59jhMikeSamiconn: ok...just sim it...but I need those statubar bitmaps for sample rates...hmmm
00:36:25linuxstb_Were they added as .c code then?
00:36:33jhMikeSpeture: peak calc will be wierder soon
00:37:09jhMikeSamiconn: oh...never mind gotta write a plugin or something, no?
00:39:10jhMikeSI should write a plugin to browse through all images used in the fw.
00:39:23 Quit rotator ()
00:39:30jhMikeSlinuxstb_: the bitmaps appear to be yes. they're in the icons file.
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00:39:59linuxstb_Yes, I just noticed. I wonder why they weren't added using the bitmap build system.
00:40:21jhMikeSor...I could add a "dump images" function to the debug menu.
00:41:26nayanigemHas anyone had any success getting RB onto a 5.5Gen (80GB) ipod?
00:41:37jhMikeSlinuxstb_: they need to be totally changed. I need individual digits, a "k" symbol, "M", "WV", "WAV" and the like
00:41:53linuxstb_You should ask Mmmm for the original .bmp files.
00:42:21jhMikeSwell I won't wait around if I can get it done in short order! :)
00:42:29pixelmaweren't the bmps made by Davide_NYC - might be in the forum thread...
00:42:33 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:43:48jhMikeSmaybe I'll just remake them...and include them in the dist even if not added using the bitmap build system.
00:44:48linuxstb_Yes, I'm not sure how best to deal with arrays of bitmaps in the build system...
00:44:50amiconnIf you need digits, just use the sysfont
00:45:24jhMikeSamiconn: There was a big todo about the sysfont and the status bar for
00:45:27amiconnThe icon bitmap could be strips
00:45:38amiconnbitmaps, even
00:46:14linuxstb_Yes, but it's nice to be able to just do icons[i] instead of needing the bitmap_part() function and calculating offsets.
00:46:54jhMikeSI think any images should be in the dist even if not built with the bitmap system
00:47:24jhMikeSIn CVS rather...whatever :)
00:47:50jhMikeSWere the icons made using the bitmap build system and then just pasted in?
00:48:04linuxstb_No, the bitmap build system is relatively new.
00:49:12amiconnbmp2rb is old... using it during the build process is not
00:49:13bgmrkok here's a dumb question
00:49:21bgmrkhow in the world do i turn off my ipod?
00:49:35linuxstb_Hold play for a few seconds.
00:49:41jhMikeSYou can use bmp2rb on idividual files then?
00:49:59linuxstb_Yes - that's what it was written for.
00:50:10bgmrkdoesn't that just put it to sleep?
00:50:21linuxstb_In the Apple firmware yes, in Rockbox, no.
00:50:29jhMikeShmmm...since I know the sizes and I have a microsope eyepiece to look at pixles this is easy.
00:50:31linuxstb_Apple don't let you turn the ipod off.
00:50:40bgmrkoo well i need to start rockbox....
00:50:47bgmrkand it says to turn off ipod
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00:51:29jhMikeSTo turn off eyePod: Wrap in primer cord...detonate
00:51:30linuxstb_What says that?
00:51:54linuxstb_to bgmrk :)
00:52:03bgmrk"When you next turn the unit on, Rockbox should load." - rockbox manual
00:52:49linuxstb_That's wrong for the ipods then... You need to reset it (hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds).
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00:53:14bgmrkdoes that whipe the ipod?
00:53:22bgmrkor jsut the settings?
00:53:29linuxstb_No, it just reboots it.
00:53:53bgmrkhaha ok got it
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00:58:38nayanigemHas anyone had any success getting RB onto a 5.5Gen (80GB) ipod?
00:59:53jhMikeScan other fonts be loaded or just the user's font and the system font?
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01:03:13jhMikeSThese are rather like image lists in windows. I guess that's what amiconn means by "strips".
01:03:58barrywardelldoes anyone know how to decide what number to use for BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR?
01:03:59linuxstb_nayanigem: I don't think so. It's possible there are some hardware changes which will stop working.
01:04:40linuxstb_jhMikeS: I think amiconn was suggesting to use a single large bitmap (with the icons arranged in a column), and use lcd_bitmap_part() to display the appropriate icon.
01:05:11amiconnyes... just that I would arrange the icons in a row instead of a column
01:05:41jhMikeSiow: image lists
01:06:19jhMikeSbut you can't load a third font with contain just a set of needed chars?
01:06:44*amiconn wonders why so many devs want to 'just load' something
01:06:56amiconnLoading from disk is costly in terms of battery usage
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01:08:46jhMikeSsome things might be easier with a font...just a thought
01:10:21bgmrkhow do i switch back to normal ipod firmware?
01:13:47nayanigemty linuxstb_
01:14:47linuxstb_nayanigem: No developer has tried to get it working yet though - so we don't know how much work is needed. Could be trivial, could be hard.
01:15:09***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:16:02nayanigemcool, I'll wait to sell my 30 :(
01:16:28nayanigemI couldn't get the boot loader for ipodlinux on either
01:16:32linuxstb_jhMikeS: Do you know why those icons are only used on SWCODEC?
01:18:28bgmrki noticed that doom is an option in the plugins...but i can't play it? why did they do this?
01:18:55linuxstb_Doom needs WAD files - read the manual or the PluginDoom wiki page.
01:21:29*linuxstb_ wonders why the various icon arrays are identified by size and not meaningful names
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01:23:36webguest52hey i have a quesstion
01:24:19jhMikeSlinuxstb_: space I guess
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01:25:40linuxstb_I mean why "bitmap_icons_6x8" and not "bitmap_icons_filetypes" ?
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01:27:05webguest52hey does anyone have a sec to answer my ?
01:27:31 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit")
01:27:35linuxstb_Just ask your question and you'll find out if anyone can answer.
01:28:11webguest52 i have an iriver h10 can i dual boot into rockbox and the firmware that came with it
01:28:18barrywardellnot yet
01:28:38barrywardellit is a planned feature for the future when we figure out how to do it
01:28:52webguest52do u have an idea when
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01:29:12webguest52allright cool
01:29:23webguest52one more thing
01:29:43webguest52can i play half life on it
01:29:48barrywardellthere's no way to tell how long it will take to happen across the right way to get dual boot working
01:30:05webguest52i can play doom 1 and 2
01:30:26markunthere is a half-life mod for doom
01:30:41webguest52o do u know whre i would get that
01:30:49markunno idea
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01:31:32webguest52thank u guys
01:32:52jhMikeSlinuxstb_: I know know why but they could be "bitmap_icons_filetypes_6x8" to be most descriptive IMO.
01:33:07shI am looking for info on the MTM809 used in cheap MP3 player/card readers.
01:33:30jhMikeSbut I suppose you can see the 6x8-ness in the array anyway. :\
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01:33:31shDoes [IDC]Dragon still hang around on #rockbox?
01:33:57shI found a log of him mentioning the MTM809.
01:34:45linuxstb_He's here very infrequently.
01:34:57jhMikeSMaybe simple image lists should be implemented. Call il_draw(index, x, y) to draw an image
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01:36:32amiconnbarrywardell: Is there a reason why you implemented USB behaviour on H10 to be the exact opposite of all the other targets?
01:36:36jhMikeSThe il can have a little structure with the cx/cy of the images in the il_draw(il, index, x, y) might make more sensee
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01:36:57barrywardellamiconn: it seemed to be the most sensible behaviour
01:37:06bgmrk1i lost the link to maual...
01:37:12barrywardellwe don't have usb support
01:37:19linuxstb_jhMikeS: I'm not sure if that's need, but the icons definitely need thinking about.
01:37:20barrywardellbut the h10 has hardware usb charging
01:37:23amiconnMost of the time I connect USB because I want to transfer something
01:37:42amiconnFor charging I usually use the charger
01:38:06amiconnI know that the H10 has USB charging. Several other targets have that as well
01:38:11bgmrk1o it
01:38:16linuxstb_I charge via USB, but very rarely want to listen whilst charging.
01:38:20barrywardellon the H10, connecting the USB with Rockbox running did nothing but show the image since we don't have a proper usb driver
01:38:48amiconnRockbox' behaviour is to go into USB mode (or reboot into diskmode on iPod) when USB is plugged,
01:38:48jhMikeSlinuxstb_: with strips the il_ functions are trivial...really only need il_draw and a structure with the image pointer, cx,cy and maybe number of images.
01:38:57amiconnunless you hold a button
01:39:30linuxstb_jhMikeS: How is that different to an array of bitmaps?
01:39:39barrywardellbut on the H10, you have to hold the O button while starting up to get into disk mode
01:39:57jhMikeSstrips are one bitmap with a buch of equal sized sub images
01:40:05amiconnIs there no magic string or somesuch like on the ipod?
01:40:10barrywardellwhich is why it made sense to require O to be held while plugging
01:40:22barrywardellno magic string that I know of
01:41:13linuxstb_jhMikeS: Yes, I know. I'm just saying both achieve the same thing - and we can already use arrays of bitmaps with no new code.
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01:41:19jhMikeSIsn't the 2-d array an array of pointers to arrays of bytes or are they really stored as contiguous bytes?
01:42:19linuxstb_Think lcd_framebuffer[][]
01:42:29barrywardellit seems to make the most sense to me anyway...
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01:47:49bgmrkok i'm confused do u put rockboy...or rockdoom on?
01:49:41linuxstb_Both come installed with Rockbox. Read the manual entries about them.
01:49:47linuxstb_(or the wiki pages)
01:50:24scorche...depending on if it currently works on a pecific target...
01:51:27bgmrkok i got doom....
01:51:32linuxstb_True, but bgmrk has a 5g - both those plugins work on the 5g.
01:52:12scorcheyeah, but i hadnt read his previous comments ;)
01:52:25bgmrkok well for the record.....5g...alll up to date
01:54:41bgmrkis there a way to run rockbox well the ipod is charging?
01:54:51pagefaultmy H10 is flashed to UMS mode
01:55:07pagefaultso all I do is power on with USB inserted and I get into my drive
01:55:19scorchehold menu while inserting the cable (i think)
01:55:36bgmrkok i'll look into
01:55:38barrywardellpagefault: hmm. hadn't thought of that situation
01:55:47pagefaultconvert your MTP to UMS
01:55:53pagefaultit makes it way easier
01:56:06barrywardelli can't. i have a 20gb
01:56:11pagefaultoh yeah
01:56:17pagefaultI forgot about those models
01:56:19pagefaultstupid iriver
01:56:27pagefaultthey need to release a UMS firmware for that
01:56:29bgmrkwooow....barry is old schooling it
01:56:31scorchesorry, but i dont have an ipod myself...i was hoping other people would chirp in and confirm me...there is always the manual though
01:56:47bgmrki looked through the manuel...
01:56:55bgmrkdidn't help all that much
01:57:03barrywardellso the current USB behaviour for the H10 only really makes sense for MTP models
01:57:57bgmrkdoes rockdoom have sound?
01:58:16pagefaultnot that I know of
01:58:22bgmrkgrrrr ok
01:58:27linuxstb_bgmrk: It has sound, but not music.
01:58:37bgmrkok thats good enough
01:58:57pagefaultmaybe it will get music when the midi driver gets finished
01:59:48bgmrkhmm maybe
02:00:10pagefaulti'm trying to port a SPC player right now myself
02:00:19pagefaultbut I doubt my H10 will have enough power to play it
02:00:53scorchebgmrk: ok...not "(i think)" anymore ;)
02:01:15bgmrkhaha ok
02:01:23bgmrkhold menu well pluging it in....
02:01:31bgmrkseems easy enough
02:01:49pagefaultalso to modify the firmware to reboot the device when I plug in the usb cable since it does nothing
02:02:06bgmrkhold menu after it's already booted up......
02:02:21 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.")
02:02:33bgmrki not sure..i'll try after it's booted up
02:02:59pagefaultthats what I get for using cvs
02:03:31pagefaulti'm just so happy it finally has a wmp that doesn't skip
02:04:08barrywardellpagefault: is that a panic on H10?
02:04:46barrywardellsince my latest commit?
02:04:58pagefaultno idea
02:05:01linuxstb_pagefault: What SPC player are you porting?
02:05:04pagefaultI will go get the latest firmware and try again
02:05:15pagefaultlinuxstb, libconsole from audiacious
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02:05:55bgmrkok well it hink my ipod is hooked to comp....
02:06:12pagefaultit's C++ so I might be an issue so we'll see what happens when I try to port it
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02:08:51pagefaultI really want an SPC player on this thing
02:09:01pagefaulti'm going to probably end up writing one in ARM assembly if I have to
02:10:21linuxstb_Do you have a link to the source?
02:10:41pagefaultjust give me a second
02:11:35linuxstb_Is it GPL'd ? A lot of emulator-derived code has a "no commercial use" clause in the license which stops us using it in Rockbox.
02:11:48pagefaultyes it is GPL
02:12:13pagefaultmy only concern is that it might not be fast enough
02:12:21pagefaultbut if it can be ported it will support many console formats
02:12:29linuxstb_Does it use floats?
02:12:56pagefaultnot sure I will have to look
02:13:26bgmrkok so i got this demo thing for doom...
02:13:27pagefaultcheck plugins/input/console
02:13:50bgmrki can't find the wad to actually let me play
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02:15:41pagefaultah it does seem to use floats
02:15:57pagefaultI might be able to modify this to used fixed values though
02:17:35pagefaultthe one we use in zsnes is all fixed point ;)
02:17:43pagefaultbut of course that is all x86 assembly
02:18:29linuxstb_It doesn't look too bad.
02:18:45bgmrkok i got it
02:19:39pagefaultbut you have all your consoles there though
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02:22:48linuxstb_rotator: Are you here?
02:22:59rotatorlinuxstb_: yes
02:24:06linuxstb_I've got a comment about bubbles. On my 5g and Photo ipods, it's too slow (with the CPU unboosted) and then speeds up when the CPU is boosted (this is when I'm listening to music and playing). On my h140 it seems to be too fast all the time.
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02:26:04rotatori wonder if it's because of the larger color lcd
02:26:40linuxstb_Yes, the ipod LCDs (both the Photo and 5g) take much longer to do an lcd_update() than the H300.
02:26:59rotatorhmm, i might be able to limit the size of the screen updates a bit more
02:27:29pagefaultI think the autobuild missed that update for my h10
02:27:43pagefaulti'll soon have a build environment though
02:27:49linuxstb_rotator: I'm sure that would help. What about the H140 being too fast?
02:28:16pagefaulta build environment is a large download on this ftp for some reason bleh
02:28:26rotatorlinuxstb_: there are a few speed issues like that I'd like to eventually fix up
02:29:00rotatorright now the bubbles move a certain distance per frame, i really should should change it to per time step
02:29:29pagefaultthis is a rather obvious question but does the EQ eat up a lot of cpu time, setting certain settings will cause skipping in songs
02:30:13linuxstb_The EQ itself doesn't use that much, but the ipods struggle with playback anyway. Turning the EQ on just pushes it over the edge in some cases.
02:30:43pagefaultcan much be done about this like hardware or software limitation?
02:31:41linuxstb_Rockbox just needs more optimising. I'm sure it will be fixed. But if it proves impossible, we still have a second CPU we can use - in effect we're just using 50% of the ipod's power.
02:31:54pagefaultah I see
02:32:39pagefaultin any case it is much better than the stock firmware
02:32:57linuxstb_And sorry for keep saying "ipod" - I forget Rockbox now runs on other PortalPlayer targets :)
02:33:13pagefaultyeah well my h10 is pretty much ipod nano
02:33:23linuxstb_No, it's an ipod Mini.
02:33:28pagefaultoh really
02:33:41pagefaultdid iriver design it for apple maybe?
02:34:06linuxstb_They just used very similar components.
02:34:21pagefaultah, just seems kind of funny, but convienient
02:35:36pagefaultI had this thing shelved for a while because of lack of firmware updates for it, I was waiting forever for flac or anything but nothing came out
02:35:49pagefaultI am happy rockbox finally supports it
02:36:13linuxstb_Do iriver support FLAC on anything?
02:36:22pagefaultmp3 and wma
02:36:24pagefaultthat is it
02:36:27pagefaultand wav
02:37:00pagefaultthey promised audible support but they never released support for it
02:37:08linuxstb_I thought my H140 could play Ogg Vorbis?
02:37:12pagefaultno vorbis support like the h300
02:37:24pagefaultyeah but not on the h10
02:37:43linuxstb_Sorry, I was just asking generally if any iriver player supported FLAC.
02:37:55pagefaultoh I think the H340 did
02:39:28pagefaultoh well
02:39:35pagefaultstupid really
02:39:37amiconnSupported formats: ASF, MP3, OGG, WMA
02:40:05pagefaultnot like they were proprietary formats
02:42:05dongshere is osmething you might not be aware of
02:42:17dongsin the 'real world', companies make money from their products
02:42:29dongsit makes no sense for htem to support a moving target like flac, matroska, ogg, etc.
02:42:44pagefaultyeah but more formats looks nicer on a box
02:42:44scorcheand this somehow isnt the real world?
02:42:56dongsnext week some idiot reeleases a new version of ogg which isnt decodable by current implementation, and thousands of your real customers who paid money for your product are fucked.
02:42:58linuxstb_FLAC hasn't moved for about 4 years...
02:43:20dongsthats not the point.
02:43:28dongsim just explaining WHY any real company would never support this kinda shit.
02:43:43scorcheactually, iaudio does
02:43:47pagefaultthe ogg decoder has been final for years
02:44:03dongsyeah, doesnt increase the number of people using it though
02:44:06dongsjust like matroska
02:44:12dongshow long has that shit been around?
02:44:18dongsit isnt even developed naymore, deader than dead
02:44:44scorcheso first you whine about it constantly moving, and then you whine about it not?
02:44:49pagefaultI don't know about music but vorbis is very active in the gaming industry
02:44:56pagefaultit's a royalty free audio format
02:45:10linuxstb_And FLAC's the most common lossless audio format on the web.
02:45:17dongs'the web'?
02:45:21dongsi've *NEVER* seen anything in flac.
02:45:31dongslol, royaltee free
02:45:37linuxstb_You haven't looked at places that distribute lossless audio then.
02:45:37dongsits also users-free
02:45:39dongsas in nobody uses it.
02:45:45*pagefault sighs
02:46:11pagefaultubisoft, EA, id, activsion
02:46:15scorcheand lets just ignore your many contradictions in the last 5 min and move on to another topic!
02:46:15pagefaultall nobodies
02:46:30*scorche puts on his loud announcer voice
02:46:59scorcheDefeated, dongs moved on to his fantasy homeland of redmond, WA
02:47:58*bgmrk is bored
02:48:15pagefaultwaiting for compiling is boring
02:48:22*JdGordon has a big ass patch you can find bugs in if your really bored.. :D
02:48:23bgmrknot doing nething is boring :p
02:49:09pagefaultI wonder how fast rockbox will be put on zune
02:49:17bgmrkhmm as FUN as that sounds...i think i got some hmwrk
02:51:21jhMikeSInterjection: not a minor band: ... scroll down
02:51:59pagefaultI have to put email in for mp3s
02:52:59pagefaultwow flac
02:53:03pagefaultwhat a concept
02:53:17pagefaultnot 128kbps files
02:54:12jhMikeSThe Elektra releases are conspiciously missing though
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02:56:32linuxstb_Another not-minor band distributing music in FLAC:
02:56:44pagefaultbut they killed napster
02:57:16pagefaultwhich yes was bad but...
02:57:22pagefaultit had some hard to find stuff on it
02:57:44hcspagefault: hi, gonna beat me to porting SPC over?
02:58:01Sivart0has the problem with ipod nano software 1.2 been fixed?
02:58:03pagefaultI am waiting for my dev environment to set up
02:58:08hcssince I haven't even started yet, probably
02:58:11JdGordonlinuxstb_: is that there way of apologixzing over killing napster? :D
02:58:17pagefaultI have to figure out how codecs even work
02:58:30pagefaultI am a total newb to rockbox dev
02:58:41hcsI wrote up a page on that, I just ported an ADX decoder yesterday
02:58:45linuxstb_Sivart0: Yes. See the IpodInstallation wiki page. You basically need to follow the install instructions for the 5g.
02:59:05Sivart0ahh thank you
02:59:36hcsfrom there you can just look at, say, the structure of wav.c
02:59:40jhMikeSThere seems to be an admission that you can make money w/o DRM
02:59:43pagefaultah thanks
03:00:12pagefaultI have a sneaking suspiction that SPC is not going to work too well on my player
03:00:17pagefaultbut it might on an archos
03:00:52hcsI was going to tackle NSF after a bunch of gamecube streamedf formats I've been working with
03:01:18jhMikeSWe need an "How to write an encoder" too now.
03:01:23pagefaultI can do an ARM based SPC core in a about a week and 4L of coffee
03:01:31pagefaultif it's really needed
03:02:24hcsI look forward to seeing where you go with it
03:02:32pagefaultwell I hope I go somewhere with it
03:02:41pagefaultwell see
03:03:33pagefaultwhoever wrote the SID one made me want to write for other stuff
03:03:44pagefaultthat was just so cool listening to ron hubbard on the bus
03:03:54hcsI've been meaning to try that out...
03:04:39pagefaultthe seek feature needs a tweak I think
03:04:48pagefaultif you hold it down too long you will skip over a track
03:05:08hcsyeah, I saw that in the code and wondered how well it would work
03:05:19linuxstb_Rockbox needs proper support for sub-tracks within a file. That needs to be added to the core playback code though.
03:06:12pagefaultpsf probably won't happen for a long time
03:06:20pagefaulteverything is closed source
03:06:44pagefaultand sexypsf is uhh... well
03:06:49pagefaultwell it's ok
03:07:06pagefaultsexypsf well isn't very sexy
03:07:24hcsseveral people have asked me about usf, and I told them to wait a few years until the players can handle it...
03:08:21pagefaultyeah maybe on one of those high end video players
03:08:26pagefaultif they ever get supported
03:08:39linuxstb_The Gigabeat port is progressing - that's got a 300MHz ARM9 cpu.
03:09:06linuxstb_I think the new Nano has a 200MHz ARM, plus a 120MHz DSP...
03:09:09pagefaultI already see GBA emulators going on that..
03:10:00pagefaultipod nano?
03:10:15linuxstb_Yes, the "2nd generation" one launched last week.
03:11:03pagefaultmy poor player
03:11:49pagefaultdoes anyone know what happened to that module player
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03:29:30bgmrkmy friend just told me u can buy games for ur ipod?
03:29:37bgmrki've never heard of that
03:30:08hcsI think it's fairly new, I only heard about it a few days ago.
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03:32:12pagefaultoh cool
03:32:15pagefaultoh cool
03:32:21pagefaultbuilding firmware
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04:03:06Soaplinuxstb - 200Mhz ARM single core on the new Nano? Or dual-core?
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04:20:05bgmrkok i have a little prob.......
04:20:27bgmrki made the background colour really close to the font..and now i can't see the font
04:22:02bgmrkne suggestions?
04:22:13bgmrkis there a key combo to go to default settings?
04:22:20Paul_The_NerdWhat player do you have?
04:23:09Paul_The_NerdYou should really include the word "iPod" as well, Rockbox runs on a lot of non-iPod players (though there's none that could *reasonably* be confused with it yet)
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04:23:23bgmrkoo opps
04:23:25bgmrkmy fault
04:23:33Paul_The_NerdAnyway, turn off the iPod (hold Play), then turn it on, and IMMEDIATELY turn the hold switch on, leave it on until Rockbox finishes booting, and it'll clear the settings
04:23:45bgmrkok ty
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04:51:52bgmrkso there is 121 people in here..and not a single one talking :p
04:52:23hcsfor once
04:52:55bgmrkjust be glad people dun come in here going "F*ck you all!!"
04:53:11bgmrkthen leave
04:53:20bgmrkthen join with another name..and do it all over again
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05:24:03webguest43I apologize for this ignorant question but am trying to install rockbox as we speak, I have the cmd box and am typing in the"ipodpatcher #" but nothing is happening what am I doing wrong?
05:24:40hcsyou are supposed to type a number, from 0 to 26, where the # sign is
05:24:58webguest43Wow, let me keep going them I only got to #10
05:27:12webguest43that still didn't work. In my cmd box the prompt is showing the following: c:/documents and settings\computer>
05:27:35webguest43after that i am typing the: "ipodpatcher #"
05:28:03hcsis your ipod connected?
05:28:16webguest43should I do it again?
05:28:43webguest43It is currently shown as the K drive in my computer
05:28:49hcsI don't know, trying again won't hurt but I'm not sure what the issue is
05:29:50webguest43I haven't installed any software yet that I have downloaded, do I need to have already installed the bootloader?
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05:33:27hcsif the former webguest is back: no, this will enable you to install the bootloader
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05:34:52webguest37Man, am I having troubles!
05:34:55webguest37Sorry about that
05:35:09webguest37let me try again to do the ipodpatcher cmd
05:37:40webguest37I keep getting the statement 'ipodpatcher' is not recongized as a internal or external command, operable program or batch file
05:37:54webguest37any suggestions?
05:37:56hcsoh... you have to download ipodpatcher.exe
05:38:38hcsfollow the installation instructions here:
05:39:14webguest37let me read through this and I'll let you know how it goes
05:39:20JdGordonanyone want to help test out a patch? lots of bugs waiting to be found...
05:39:35hcswhat's the patch for?
05:39:48JdGordonmassive settng and menu reworkings...
05:40:15hcsprobably not, I've got bugs of my own to work out and plain rockbox crashes often enough
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05:47:43JdGordonhey Paul_The_Nerd
05:48:44JdGordondid u see the patch lowlight did a while ago that adds a check mark nex to the selected item for a setting?
05:49:22Paul_The_NerdNo, I hadn't seen that one.
05:49:22JdGordoni have an idea to fix all the left/right button complaints ont hat screen i want to run by someone
05:49:37Paul_The_NerdWhat are the complaints, and what's the idea?
05:49:54JdGordonthe argument over weather left shuold cancel or accept and exit...
05:50:42JdGordonwhat do u tinhk about using select to move the tick and accept the value, but stay in the screen. then off and left both exit without changing anything
05:50:46Paul_The_NerdLeft should exit. It shouldn't change where the marker is.
05:51:00Paul_The_NerdYeah, I was about to suggest pretty much what you just said.
05:51:51JdGordoni tihnk it will feel more natural.. or something :p
05:54:03Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure about natural, but it'll be less confusing since whenever you leave you *always* get where the marker is.
05:54:17Paul_The_NerdAnd you can't move it without knowing you've moved it, since you can't "move+exit"
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05:55:09webguest37how do I know which version of firmware I have on my Ipod Nano?
05:55:35webguest37I"m at step d2 in the installation instructions
05:56:06webguest37my ipodnano is flashing "do not disconnect" and won't let me into the menu
05:57:07webguest37Since I'm midway through the installation can I eject it and then find out and reinsert it back into its base or will this mess up the installation?
05:58:01hcsall you have done so far is read from the ipod, if you're at step d2, so ejecting the ipod should be fine
05:59:34JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: done, and tryed in the sim and i think it does feel better, hopefully everyone else agrees :D
05:59:39webguest37I have version 1.1.1 so does that exclude me from the special instructions, I assume that it does
06:00:08hcsuh, that would be my guess, but I've never done anything with the nano
06:00:27webguest37thx, i'll let you know - will continue onward
06:02:01hcsdoes it have the Nike additional thing?
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06:05:50webguest37Im having troubles
06:06:37webguest37its saying it cannot open loader image file bottloader-nano.bin
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06:07:11JdGordonthen u stuffed something up... try agan
06:07:19hcsthat is something you should have downloaded in step a)
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06:07:32webguest37simply startover?
06:07:48hcsno, just get the appropriate file
06:07:59hcsit might be good to read the previous steps again, carefully
06:08:41webguest37in my rockbox folder I have the following files: apple_os, bootloader-mini2g, bootpartition, ipod_fw, opodpatcher, and rockboot
06:09:28webguest37this is the command I am entering: ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
06:09:57hcsyou have an ipod nano?
06:10:28webguest37Yeah, I see where I fouled up
06:10:36webguest37I downloaded the bootloader-mini2g
06:10:43webguest37I'll get the other and keep going
06:12:00webguest37Yeah, it worked - will push onward
06:17:40pagefaulthah cool
06:17:46pagefaulthah cool
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06:17:56pagefaultthat patch in the tracker worked
06:17:56pagefaultcan play mods
06:18:04hcscool indeed
06:18:55hcsI still have to get some SIDs on mine
06:18:58webguest37which version of rockbox should I download
06:19:07webguest37bleeding edge or other
06:19:23hcsbleeding edge, anything else will be quite out of date
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06:24:13webguest37I haven't installed itunes, how do I unzip rockbox correctly
06:24:48webguest37my nano is docked and is in the diskmode
06:24:56hcsand you can see it as a drive?
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06:25:23*JdGordon has slight built of of rage towards the core devs atm !
06:25:24webguest37yead, in my computer its IPOD (K:)
06:25:37webguest37below that is Calendars, contacts, and notes
06:25:41JdGordonbloody making me use real strings for settings!
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06:25:47hcsok, then extract the zip to K:\
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06:26:10hcsyou will probably need a separate zip that has the fonts in it, it isn't included in the daily CVS builds anymore
06:27:16webguest37okay, it's unzipping now
06:27:25webguest37what is the font thing?
06:30:23hcswhen you unzipped the cvs build, did you end up with a K:/.rockbox directory?
06:30:28hcs* K:\.rockbox
06:30:54webguest37its still unzipping
06:33:06webguest37I have a .rockbox file now
06:35:11webguest37okay, so now rockbox is on my nano!
06:35:28webguest37can I now drag and drop songs and play them without going through itunes?
06:36:11webguest37do I simply drop them into the rockbox folder
06:36:33hcsyou can put them anywhere on the ipod, make a directory structure as you like it
06:37:02webguest37the interface is a bit plain, is that normal
06:37:41hcsthere are some nicer themes, but you'll need to extract the fonts first (if you haven't already)
06:37:55webguest37how do I do that
06:38:14hcsunzip the link I gave you above for the fonts
06:38:30webguest37to the rockbox folder
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06:38:44hcsto the root of the ipod
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06:41:01webguest37hcs - you sure have a lot of patience for a illeterate computer user like myself
06:41:13webguest37I read about rockbox in pc magazine and just decided to give it a try
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06:41:21webguest37I have no idea that all of this was involved
06:41:28webguest37this is like serious programming for me
06:41:43hcsI am a new convert to rockbox myself
06:42:04webguest37okay, i've got the fonts thing done
06:43:05hcsok, now select Browse Themes from the menu and pick a theme, I personally use iCatcher
06:43:58webguest37with the nano docked or undocked?
06:44:23hcswhichever, as long as you can use the rockbox menus
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07:02:15webguest37HCS - THis thing rocks!!! Thus the name, no more itunes for me!
07:02:49hcsyes, all hail the devs
07:03:22webguest37I've set my background to black and foreground to an optic blue - everyone will be like what the hell is going on with your ipod
07:03:38webguest37feel like the kid on the block with the latest RAZR
07:05:00hcsand I feel like the idiot who just set his background and foreground colors the same
07:05:13webguest37uh ohh
07:05:36midkayhcs: how?
07:05:48hcsah, almost the same, can still see the one by tilting the screen
07:06:15hcsI had 000000 and 000001
07:06:17webguest37can you see enough to reset one of the colors
07:06:37hcsbrilliant bit of interface design
07:06:39webguest37that would be a way to really upset someone who installed rockbox
07:06:49webguest37set the foreground adn background the same
07:07:19webguest37Does rockbox drain the battery faster?
07:07:20midkaybrilliant bit of idiot, setting them as close as possible.. who does that? :)
07:07:30midkaywebguest37: yeah.
07:07:37hcshey, that was an actual complement!
07:07:59midkayoh. :o
07:09:35webguest37set the font size to chicago 12, man that is easier on the eyes
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07:13:13webguest72what is this peakmeter
07:13:53midkayit's.. a peak meter.
07:14:09hcsaka a pretty way to make playback skip
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07:16:33midkayi used to like it on my Archos, because it didn't affect playback.. i have no problem with removing it since it kills performance on my 5G though.
07:18:22webguest72okay, hcs going to have to sign off now but appreciate all
07:18:39hcsgood night, have fun
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07:24:32JdGordonbloody rombox wont compile again :'(
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08:13:51embermagehi, anyone know what to do if i get "Error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect"?
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08:50:38webguest93what is the link for the fonts for the ipod nano
08:54:18markunwebguest93: on the daily build page there is a target called 'Fonts' (with a rockbox logo)
08:54:40theli_ua"DrZ80 is free for non-commercial use." this is not compatible with GPL-2 ? :(
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09:00:47amiconnJdGordon: Re rombox: What happened to your savings?
09:01:10JdGordoni was forced to use real strings for the cfg file
09:01:16amiconnI guess using separate settings strings adds a bit, so the savings are less
09:01:36amiconnBut it should still save code
09:01:47JdGordonye, it does, i dont tihnk i am over by much
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09:02:05JdGordonrockbox.bin is 238004
09:02:27amiconnWhile it might not bring rombox back on its own, it eventually will in combination with other optimisations
09:02:59amiconnThat's 4532 bytes over
09:04:23JdGordonim sure i have a fair bit of wasted code that this brought in.. so im not done yet
09:04:39JdGordonbut I dont think even if I get under again ift will stay under for long
09:05:37*JdGordon back in 10min
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09:06:14amiconnFinding the wasted code would be interesting... the size is nearer to cvs that it is to your old savings
09:07:25amiconnI doubt that it's only the strings... that would mean there are 7KB of settings strings (!)
09:09:31JdGordonsounds about right
09:11:10JdGordonanother thing i did today was solve the arguments over what left should do in the settin screens..
09:12:11JdGordonusing lowlights patch which has the tick next to the curent value, select moves the tick, left/off exits the screen with wherever the tick is as the value... so there if u dont move the tick nothing happens
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09:20:34*JdGordon votes break compatability and go back to xlating the strings for the cfg file!
09:25:51aarondanyone help me with a linksys wifi router?
09:29:49aaronddidnt think so :)
09:32:27scorchelinksys has their own support chat...
09:35:47aarondIm sure they eat noobs like me there :)
09:35:58aarondany idea where its at?
09:36:03scorchethey are actually paid employees...
09:36:14scorchetry linksys's site?
09:36:14aarondoh that
09:37:04JdGordonamiconn: I just trimmed of the repeated strings (which would break compat for a few items, but not a big deal) and it only saved 1kb :(
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09:59:23Bg3ranyone here who have bought a newertech batteries ?
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10:02:19theli_uaanyone with video iPod who has some minutes free?
10:04:59LinusNtheli_ua: maybe...
10:05:28theli_uaLinusN, i've just wanted to test speed differences in zxbox with some optimisations
10:05:48theli_uaon color full-screen target
10:06:13LinusNi guess i'll need some zx roms/tape images?
10:06:42theli_uaLinusN , will be sufficient
10:07:09JdGordonI can test on the h300 if u need
10:08:01theli_uai just need speed of emulation if current build without sound and frameskip 0... and the same with slightly modified build
10:08:50mh546Hi! I regularly listen to radio shows on my mp3 player. This means, there are files lasting for 30 minutes to 3 hours. I was looking for a function that, when selecting a file, looks if it can find a bookmark for that file and ask, if I want to resume at the bookmarked position or listen from the beginning. (I'll try to implement it if it's not already there.) What I found was the "Load Last Bookmark" option, which I originally thought was what I
10:09:31Bg3rhm, one question to credit card owners ... is it normal some site to ask you to fill this form because "an internation verification cannot do the verification on your card" (VISA)
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10:11:11Bg3rthe site is
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10:12:41Bg3ranyone ?
10:13:45LinusNBg3r: i've never had to do anything like that
10:14:11LinusNand i have done quite a few international purchases
10:14:25mh546@bg3r: What exactly do they ask you to do? Ill in that form online? NEVER DO THAT. Do they ask you to print out the form, fill in data by hand and fax it to a number you can FOR SURE connect to the site you are ordering some things from, then I think this should be okay.
10:14:29scorcheBg3r: i would just skip it and go with someone else for your purchase
10:14:39scorchemh546: by that page....fax it
10:15:33Bg3rmh546: they suggested me the 2 opportunities
10:15:50Bg3rby fax/by e-mail (encrypted PDF)
10:16:53JdGordonhey LinusN, i changed the settings to use the setting strings like you wanted, and it blew out the filesize gain :'(
10:17:36LinusNthat's unfortunate, but in my opinion necessary
10:19:14mh546bg3r: I had that procedure once with a *very* small shop. The guy seemed not to have any contract with VISA to check the data online and all he was looking at was my signature so he could show that to his bank - at least I thought so. But for giving someone your credit card details and your signature, your really have to trust them.
10:19:54Bg3rmh546: yep:(
10:20:03LinusNJdGordon: regarding the delayed settings storage, i'm not sure how to solve it, but it could probably be done by the ata thread
10:20:16markunmh546: you've never used the rockbox bookmark feature?
10:21:03markunAh, you want to click on the file instead of the bookmark..
10:21:48JdGordonLinusN: ok, apart from Stkov'ing dircache occasioanly its mortly stable, well.. stable enough to keep testing, so im not too worried about it, also the ata stuff is above me.. so if someone can figure about a better way to do it, im all ears
10:23:11LinusNmy thinking is this: the ata thread is the thread responsible for the idle sleep/shutdown of the disk
10:23:45LinusNlet it call the callback when it has been idle for a while
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10:37:20LinusNtheli_ua: ok, i'm running chuckie now
10:37:31theli_uawhats the speed?
10:39:13LinusNhow do i control the damn thing?
10:39:35theli_uaLinusN, set "mape to kempston" to "no" cayse chuckie uses keyboard
10:39:56theli_uaLinusN, speed is with sound off and frameskip 0?
10:40:46theli_uathen can you please test the same with ?
10:41:44mh546I'm still wondering, "Load Last Bookmark" option is for? In my eyes it is buggy as it should behave my way ;) But someone most probably implemented it deliberately the way it works ...
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10:42:23theli_uamh546, i think you must create bookmark so that it can be loaded
10:42:30*JdGordon can read and write .cfg compatible files :)
10:42:35JdGordontoo bad about the damn filesize tho
10:42:47JdGordonand well.. only 90% compatible
10:42:56linuxstb_theli_ua: To answer your question from earlier, "free for non-commercial use" is definitely not GPL-compatible.
10:43:39LinusNtheli_ua: 51%
10:43:53mh546theli_ua: I did. Creating a bookmark for file A, then one for file B, then selecting file A and ansering the question "Load Last Bookmark?" with yes will play file B, the one last bookmarked.
10:43:57theli_uaLinusN, so there *is* some increase ... (4-5 %)
10:44:21LinusNnow it's 52%
10:44:40LinusNi can't climb :-(
10:44:54theli_uaLinusN, you just should fit stairs
10:45:07theli_uaLinusN, hold up (menu) and run near stair
10:45:34LinusNah, you need to align him perfectly
10:45:39theli_uaLinusN, yes
10:46:04linuxstb_The technique is to move left/right at the same time as pressing up.
10:46:27LinusNwhat are those piles?
10:46:28*linuxstb_ wasted many hours playing chuckie egg when young...
10:46:47linuxstb_Chicken food. Bonus points.
10:47:04linuxstb_The aim is to collect all the eggs to move to the next level.
10:47:53LinusNoops i dies
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10:49:27theli_uaLinusN, with what frameskip can you achieve 99-100% ?
10:49:35JdGordondoes anyone know what needs to be done to get rockboy on the nano? is it simple stuf like making it draw to the screen size?
10:50:08linuxstb_Yes, it's just the LCD drawing that needs adapting.
10:51:41linuxstb_But it's also not very playable on any ipod because of the lack of buttons. The only solution is to do what IPL's port of gnuboy does and detect touches at different places on the wheel.
10:52:06JdGordonoh, ok, damn
10:52:20aliaskJdGordon: D'you get a nano?
10:52:28JdGordonmy sister did
10:53:15LinusNtheli_ua: odd, i get to 99% with frameskip=2, but frameskip=3 also gives me 99%
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10:53:48LinusNframeskip=4 too
10:54:32LinusNframeskip > 2 makes no difference
10:55:49pondlife99%=100% with rounding then
10:56:00theli_uaLinusN, you can't achieve more than 99-100 .. there comes speed limiting :)
10:56:28LinusNah of course
10:56:36theli_uabut 99 with full-screen and color and frameskip 2 seems rather good
10:56:51theli_uaLinusN, btw you can try "fast mode"
10:57:04LinusNgotta work
10:57:20theli_uai'm working right now :)
10:57:29LinusNme too, sort of
10:57:32pondlifeQnd you can't convice the boss that Chuckie Egg is work?? ;-)
10:57:33theli_uajust configured HP NSP Atalla :)
10:58:48theli_ualinuxstb_, btw that 'free for non-coomercial' was arm asm z80 emulation core
11:00:44linuxstb_I think iboy (the IPL port of gnuboy) has one of those...
11:02:02theli_ualinuxstb_, i once adopted rockboy for mini screen and for touchwheel... too bad it wasn't as playable as iboy :(
11:02:54LinusNtheli_ua: how come?
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11:04:03theli_uait had terrible sound and was slower
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11:06:14linuxstbtheli_ua: Then you need to fix it :)
11:06:58theli_ualinuxstb, i've ended with iboy when "universal scaling" commit broke my adoptation to mini's screen :)
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11:07:13Zendeferahey guys
11:07:25linuxstbWhat "universal scaling"?
11:07:25Zendeferaanyone ever use a griffin tech power block with their ipod?
11:07:38linuxstbNo, but what's the problem?
11:07:51ZendeferaI can't access rb when it isplugged in.
11:08:16linuxstbStart Rockbox, then hold MENU as you're plugging it in.
11:08:24ZendeferaI thought, hold down the top of the click wheel and insert the charger cable, like we do when charging from a computer, but no go.
11:09:52Zendeferasince I'm blind I can't see what is going on the screen.
11:11:23Zendeferabut when I plug in to the power block, the ipod almost makes a clicking noice from the harddrive, like when it sounds when you reset the ipod.
11:11:54linuxstbEven when you're holding the MENU button (top of the clickwheel) at the same time?
11:12:40Zendeferahold on, I've let my ipod charge for a little while now, let me boot it up in rb, and reconfirm what I am saying.
11:13:15webguest22Hey, I've just discovered the patch #5049. It promises to start the player in FM mode if it was switched off in FM mode. This is a feature I'm really missing from the original iriver firmware. How are the chances that the patch will be included in the official build?
11:13:34linuxstbOne problem is that holding MENU will also bring up the Rockbox "quick menu". So after you've inserted the charger and released the MENU button, you'll need to press and release the MENU button again to exit the quick menu.
11:14:39linuxstbtheli_ua: Ah, OK. So it's "universal" but only supports LCDs larger than the gameboy...
11:14:48theli_ualinuxstb, yes
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11:15:33theli_ualinuxstb, my universal scaling stretches for screen of any larger/smaller screen :)
11:15:59linuxstbThen we could revert that patch, and commit your one.
11:16:32theli_ualinuxstb, no that would be bad
11:16:55theli_uabecause that patch wasn't very efficient
11:17:44Zendeferallinuxstb, I've done what you said, hold down menu, insert power block cable, I am in rockbox, I started a playlist to play.
11:18:15Zendeferanow, since I do depend on the voice system for rb, I don't know if it is actually charging.
11:18:45Zendeferasince there is no audible method of me nowing if it is taking a charge.
11:19:53Zendeferathe charger works great to charge the ipod, but when I want to listen to the ipod with the charger plugged in thats another story.
11:21:24pondlifeMaybe the rockbox info screen should say "Charging" after reading the battery level?
11:21:29linuxstbI've read people say that Rockbox uses more power when playing music than it takes from the charger - meaning that the net effect is that the battery doesn't increase in charge. Personally, I never charge and listen at the same time, so I don't know.
11:24:21theli_uaso .... we got 4-5% speedup in zxbox on (at least mini and video) arm targets .... anyone with coldfire-based who can test? JbGordon?
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11:28:14Zendeferazxbox whats that?
11:28:36JdGordontheli_ua: ye, i can test it.... i havnt had much luck with zxbox yet :p the only game ive actually figured out how to play is simcity.... i wnt to play lander :'(
11:28:38theli_uaZendefera, it is a zx spectrum emulator
11:28:43Zendeferait would be nice if it sayed charging or not charging in the info screen when you go to info ... rock box info
11:29:05theli_uaJdGordon, can you try that chuckie egg snapshot i posted earlier?
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11:31:29JdGordonsoz, comp crashed
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11:34:41mirak10does the daily cvs tarball contains CVS folders ?
11:35:05linuxstbI don't think so.
11:36:31pondlifeWhat controls whether a particular language string is included in the voice file?
11:37:13pondlifeI'm attempting to talk_id(LANG_BATTERY_CHARGE,...) but nothing is heard
11:38:10amiconnIt's included if the corresponding .lang entry has a non-empty <voice> string
11:38:47pondlifeThat's the problem
11:39:38pondlifeIf I update English.lang to add voice strings, I assume it's ok to leave other langs alone.
11:42:07pondlifeAlso, is there a guide on how to generate a new .voice file? I can't see it in the wiki...
11:42:27pondlifeI'll be using MS Mary/SAPI4
11:43:13theli_uaJdGordon, so can you test it?
11:43:38JdGordontheli_ua: soz, got distracted... after dinner... back in 20 or so
11:43:44pondlifenm - I found
11:43:48theli_uaJdGordon, ok
11:46:36amiconnpondlife: I strongly suggest using sapi5 voices. Creating a voice file with sapi4 will take age
11:46:57amiconnControlling sapi4 with vbscript can't go any faster than realtime
11:47:08amiconnsapi5 to file goes as fast as possible
11:48:25pondlifeSorry, my mistake - I am SAPI5
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11:57:23JdGordontheli_ua: back, ok time to test
11:58:01JdGordonyou want sound yes and framskip 0?
11:58:44JdGordonhow do i move int he game?
11:58:56JdGordonanyway, cvs is sitting @ 37%
11:58:57theli_uasound no
11:59:43theli_uaJdGordon, hm ... LinusN asked the same about moving ... turn "Map to kempston" off
11:59:57amiconnlinuxstb: Rockbox should say 'battery: charging' in the info screen when it is charging. It definitely works on recorder
11:59:59JdGordonit is set to off...
12:00:10JdGordonsound No doesnt effect it! still @ 37%
12:00:56theli_uaJdGordon, sound shouldn't effect much .. it is just unstable and can crash ;)
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12:03:43JdGordontheli_ua: ah, i had the wrong keymap set... that .rock is still at 37%
12:05:35linuxstbamiconn: Looking in english.lang, the voice string is empty for "Battery: Charging" (LANG_BATTERY_CHARGE) - I thought you just said that meant that no voice string was generated?
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12:08:46theli_uaJdGordon, :(
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12:09:50hockyhairi just read something in forums about mpeg2 being supported now? is there more i can find out about this, i have a 5g ipod and have been waiting for vid playback i'd like to know where it stands.
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12:11:19scorchehockyhair: look at the wiki page PluginMpegplayer
12:11:45hockyhairsounds good..
12:12:10theli_uai think it doesn't sound still ;)
12:14:06hockyhairhow far are we from seeing playback with sound?
12:14:12hockyhairbetter yet xvid support with sound ;)
12:14:24scorchepick a date
12:14:31JdGordonabout as close as the sun is to exploding...
12:14:49scorchesuns dont "explode"...
12:14:56hockyhairis that due to lack of inititive?
12:15:14scorchemore like lack of willingness to pick a date
12:15:19JdGordonhaha, your gonna get shot if u suggest that :D
12:15:30scorchewe have a phobia about release dates 'round these here parts
12:15:48markunhockyhair: why xvid?
12:16:02hockyhairbecause it is a great widly used medium
12:16:10hockyhaircompression is just right imo
12:16:28markunyou need to reencode you videos anyway
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12:16:33hockyhairsmaller files with good quality basicly
12:16:41hockyhairavi support in general would be key imo
12:16:48hockyhairmuch more sensible that mpeg
12:16:53scorcheavi is just a container format...
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12:16:59hockyhairfor the common end user anyway
12:18:10markunI'm sure the common end user will be able to adapt to whatever works best for rockbox
12:19:29hockyhairwell it's definatly on my wish list, along with a cue reader (split the mp3 accordingly).. wish i could help
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12:20:05linuxstb_hockyhair: mpegplayer isn't good for the 5g - it doesn't use the video decoding hardware in the 5g, and probably never will. It's designed to just use the main CPU, and hence works on all the devices (with colour LCDs) that Rockbox runs on.
12:20:06hockyhairi think i already mentioned the plugin for winamp that does that (for the cue reader) not sure if that was helpful though..
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12:20:19linuxstb_A different project will be to write a video player that uses the video decoder in the 5g, and no-one is working on that. But even if that happens, it's unlikely to support anything other than exactly what the Apple firmware supports.
12:21:16hockyhairwhat is known about apple's video decoder?
12:21:33linuxstb_The name of the chip, and that's about all.
12:21:46hockyhaircan you break down what it is comparable to?
12:21:47linuxstb_There is no publically available documentation.
12:22:21hockyhairmm. it's the equiv of a video card correct?
12:22:30linuxstb_It's just a chip that the Apple firmware uses to do all the video decoding. That chip runs its own firmware, and the Apple firmware running on the main CPU just feeds it with the compressed data.
12:22:42hockyhaircan you dump it's fw?
12:23:25scorchelinuxstb_: speaking of...i havent heard much about utilization of both cores for a week or so...any updates?
12:23:41dongsso like
12:23:50hockyhairscorche: that was on the tip of my tounge earlier but i swallowed insted of spit
12:24:48hockyhairi wish i knew enough to help with the 5g devolpments
12:25:17*JdGordon winges about the 80char wide text rule...
12:25:32dongsat least they're not using GNU indent style.
12:27:55hockyhairis there a dev kit for porting games to rb? id like to see dope wars and a few others.
12:28:16dongsjust rip the sores and replace graphics\sound related shit withrockbox equivalents
12:28:33dongsand make sure its < 512k compiled since thats the plugin size limit
12:28:39scorchedongs: go away before you make a fool of yourself....again...
12:28:49markunhockyhair: yes, dope wars please! :)
12:28:50JdGordonyay for /ignore :D
12:28:53dongsscorche: you got a problem with my reply?
12:28:58scorchejust you
12:29:03dongsignore: the opensores solution.
12:29:13*dongs shrugs. your loss.
12:29:16markunJdGordon: indeed :)
12:29:26theli_uathread.c:73: error: ‘struct core_entry’ has no member named ‘current_thread’ what this? (was trying to make profile build)
12:29:27dongsi was trying to use shuffle function on rockbox this evening
12:29:38dongscouldnt even figure out how to turn it on
12:29:49dongsheld menu and enabled shuffle by pressing left, and the tracks weer still in order
12:29:55dongshow is TAHT for broken usbility?
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12:30:15dongsif one cannot figure out how to use a media player without reading a 100apge manual, well, maybe theres a reason people pay extra fr apple stuff
12:30:20dongsbluebrother: wrong answer, asshole.
12:30:21scorchethat is great for your idiocy...not like we need anymore proof of that
12:30:48hockyhairspeaking of shuffle, i can get shuffle working but it is inside the dir im in only, id like to shuffle everything in /ipod/*
12:31:02bluebrotherdongs, why not stick to apple? Noone forces you to use rockbox.
12:31:08scorchehockyhair: it suffles everything in the current playlist
12:31:11dongsbluebrother: another wrong answer
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12:31:16hockyhairminux anything hidden.. i'll take my chances with it finding doom files
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12:31:25bluebrotherdongs, what's your problem?
12:31:32bluebrotherbad mood?
12:31:50scorchebluebrother: you should know that he is always like this..
12:32:05bluebrotherscorche, haven't noticed until now.
12:32:11hockyhairipod-linux diehard?
12:32:34scorchehockyhair: he is our resident troll that looks like he wants to be banned permanently this time
12:32:46bluebrotherbut why? People are trying to help and he's pissing around. Too bad.
12:33:06bluebrotherguess I'll start using ignore lists.
12:33:48hockyhairwhat is the most requested feature these days?
12:33:51scorchei prefer to not use ignore lists unless people is nice when people start to listen to him not knowing he is just a troll
12:33:58JdGordonare there any programs which will automatically split up long lines in the code to 80chars and keep formatting correct?
12:34:22hockyhairJdGordon: editplus does that i believe
12:34:38hockyhairbrb smoke
12:34:43JdGordonbah, im on linux
12:34:58bluebrotherJdGordon, vim has a smartindent option which behaves much like that.
12:35:18bluebrotherIIRC kate also can do so (but I haven't looked into that for quite a while)
12:37:01hockyhairJdGordon: wine
12:37:29theli_uaso noone knows how to make debug build with profiling?
12:37:44JdGordonbluebrother: im in kate atm, it has a dynamic linewrap hing.. but i want to actually save it so i dont have to manually split up lines
12:38:04hockyhairso is it memory allocation that is keeping the mpeg plugin from playing sound with the video?
12:39:35linuxstb_hockyhair: No, it's the fact that it hasn't been written yet. mpegplayer is still in the early stages of development.
12:41:05linuxstb_But as I said, I think it's extremely unlikely that Rockbox will ever have better video playback than the Apple firmware on the 5g. The focus is for all the other devices.
12:42:21hockyhairsupport for other files is what i am interested in
12:42:51hockyhairi assumed since devolpments were made for new audio files being played back that it would be possible for video as well
12:43:58linuxstb_Video is much harder to decode than audio - the CPU simply won't be able to decode the video fast enough.
12:44:26hockyhairhas the fw from the decoder been dumped
12:44:34hockyhairid like to obtain a copy if so
12:44:56linuxstb_You've got a copy - it's the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file you extracted when installing Rockbox.
12:45:28hockyhairi'll show it to some friends..
12:45:32linuxstb_That particular file is a FAT16 disk image.
12:45:32pondlifeDoes have any automated .voice file building? Daily, perhaps?
12:45:47hockyhairis there a unoffical sdk for the 5g?
12:45:52linuxstb_pondlife: No, it's all done under Windows - runs Linux.
12:46:22pondlifeOK. So would it be best if I upload a new file to the wiki for now?
12:46:37linuxstb_hockyhair: What do you mean?
12:47:28hockyhairnvm i need sleep, gl with all ventures with rockbox and beyond.. gn
12:47:28scorchehockyhair: there is a vmware image...but that is as close as it comes...not sure exactly what you are looking for in an sdk
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12:52:03theli_ualinuxstb_, is there our profiling not working?
12:57:23linuxstb_afaik, it should work, but I've never used it. But I think the script that processes the profiling log to display useful statistics needs adapting for ARM.
12:58:25Mode"#rockbox +b *!* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
12:58:25Kick(#Rockbox dongs :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
12:59:14JdGordonmake it permanent!
12:59:33BagderI removed it to offer him another chance
13:00:26webguest32Does anyone here have a Sansa e270 or e280?
13:01:02BagderI have an e260
13:01:10theli_ualinuxstb_, i doesn't compile for me :( .. wanted to try it
13:01:55amiconnI guess profiling was broken by the new scheduler.
13:02:00webguest32Bagder: Yes, I know, but it won't help me any :-)
13:02:06amiconnSome part wasn't adapted properly
13:02:52theli_uathats bad :(
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13:05:36JdGordonamiconn: fmrecorder rockbox.bin is 236840, and i dont tihnk there is much more trimming in my patch that can be done
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13:06:06JdGordonand on that note... i tinhk its almost ready for commit...all it needs is moer testing... and volanteers?
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13:11:05markunBagder: dongs also logs in as timemob on
13:11:38Bagderthis ban kept him out the last time, but yeah I might need to adapt it
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13:19:23linuxstb_JdGordon: What patch are you talking about?
13:19:34JdGordonsettings + menu rework
13:20:14linuxstb_Have you changed it to use the original config-file strings?
13:20:28JdGordonyes, and that blew out the file size..
13:20:58JdGordonit would be worse.. but i sacrafies backwards compat on about 5 settings which are not major to keep the size down a bit
13:21:51linuxstb_What did you do? Just reduce the lengths of some strings?
13:22:48JdGordonno, some which had the values for the list as an english string i just reused, but some settings which do this store the number instead, so i jus changed that
13:23:20JdGordonit effects < 10 settings, and none are theme settings so i didnt think it was such a big ddeal
13:23:31JdGordonpatch is @
13:24:36linuxstb_It's not easy to see what's changed...
13:25:01JdGordonno... thats the problem with big diffs...
13:25:59linuxstb_Why have you changed the functions in tagcache.c to return int instead of bool?
13:26:52JdGordonbecause the menus take an int (*blaa)(void) now... they need to be able to return more than 2 values
13:27:37linuxstb_What can they return?
13:28:12linuxstb_But menu_run still returns bool?
13:28:17JdGordonumm.... i cant remember :p i did that a while ago
13:28:38JdGordonand yes
13:28:47JdGordonmenu_run is not used for the main menu system anymore
13:29:42linuxstb_Your patch also breaks the character encoding - e.g. look at Zagor's name in main_menu.h...
13:30:05JdGordongrr.. forgot to check that again.. its stupid kate being stupid
13:30:43LinusNno, it's you who is stupid using kate :-)
13:31:05JdGordonwhats a better editor?
13:31:23*LinusN waits for the "vim"
13:31:39JdGordonn freeking way im using vim.. i need my mouse when i code :p
13:32:10DarthShrinenano > * *runs*
13:32:23theli_uaJdGordon, try cream
13:36:19LinusNi'd say that the most basic requirement is that an editor should not change anything automatically
13:36:42*JdGordon feels some de-ja-vu comeing on :p
13:36:58LinusNyou should be able to load just about any file and save it again, be it a binary file or whatever
13:37:43LinusNheh, i once used the editor that came with Procomm Plus
13:37:51JdGordonim actually tihnknig its diff stuffing it up, becuase the files that are changes are fine on my local copy.. its the diff which is wrong
13:37:59LinusNit always saved with CR/LF
13:38:27LinusNand if there were only LF's in the file, it just replaced the character before the LF with CR (!)
13:39:16LinusNneed i say i only used it once :-)
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14:00:46pregloweditors changing anything else than what you yourself ask it to change are worthless
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14:04:33LinusNotoh, i am blessed with a language with all letters in iso8859-1, so i don't need to mess around with unicode
14:05:13preglowi've got a couple outside of it :>
14:05:17preglowanyway, unicode is a good thing
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14:07:28*JdGordon ponders the age old question.. why the hell wont my damn code work!
14:08:42LinusNi once got the error message "?DIR ERROR" on my C64
14:08:58LinusNi asked the guy next to what that meant, and he answered:
14:09:27LinusN- Dir means "you" in german, it's you that is the problem
14:09:50JdGordonID-10-T error :D
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14:11:39JdGordonmy idiot computer cant count to 160 for some reason... it keeps stopping @ 147
14:12:01LinusNsend it back
14:12:25LinusNi sent mine back because it could only count to 1 :-)
14:12:47Arathisis there anythin else necessary to backup than WPSs, .cfg files in the root folder and perhaps .score files in the rocks filder?
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14:16:03LinusNArathis: i dunno, where are your doom and pacbox roms?
14:16:24Arathisplayer root, not in .rockbox
14:17:29ArathisLinusN: so, that might be all? or anything else I made/generate or somehting, but don't know about?
14:18:01LinusNnot sure, but nothing vital i suppose
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14:20:20Arathisokay, thanks
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14:34:33JdGordongrrrr!!!!!!! found the damn bug
14:34:41JdGordonold themes work again
14:35:48LinusNdir error? :-)
14:36:45JdGordonthe not counting to 160... i had a break which i thought was connected to a switch() but it was connected to the for().. :'(
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15:26:29abusenodeon the other hand, you win. fuck rockbox. too many idiot misfeatures, too many bugs, and developers are fucking ignoring assfucks.
15:26:47abusenodeback to apple firmware for me and i'll finish fixing my mp3 copying app so i dont have to use jewtunes
15:27:02abusenodeand fuck you to Bagder specifically.
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15:27:42JdGordonhope that fucker burns in a horrid car crash
15:27:43crwlboo hoo :(
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15:29:00Genre9mp3His nick says it all...
15:29:27daurnimatortouche Genre9mp3, touche
15:32:03LinusNoh no! he's threatening not to use rockbox!
15:32:10LinusNwhat should we do?
15:32:25JdGordonbe thankful? :D
15:32:54preglowi love that guy!
15:33:15LinusNi wonder where those people come from
15:33:21JdGordonI00: at 3101a1ac <- how do i figure out what did that? it doesnt crash in the sim..
15:33:46LinusNJdGordon: the map file
15:33:51LinusNand objdump
15:33:54preglowdon't know where they're coming from, but i know where they'll be going to if i ever manage to build that catapult
15:34:02LinusNpreglow: lol
15:34:15Genre9mp3I wonder about his "on the other hand, you win" statement...
15:34:35linuxstb_Seems we should be reading Apple Insider - they predicted the launch date and hardware in the new Nano back in June:
15:35:13linuxstb_More info is here: - apparently they're now using a custom Wolfson codec
15:35:17LinusNGenre9mp3: we win, meaning that he won't come back
15:35:25JdGordon0x31019eb0 gui_scrollbar_draw <- does this mean it crashed in that function?
15:35:32Genre9mp3LinusN: heh
15:35:47LinusNJdGordon: could be, maybe it's a div-by-zero?
15:37:06JdGordondunno... it did it as soon as i enetered the wps... reset settings seems to have fixed it..
15:37:25LinusNprobably the peak meter then
15:37:48preglowgod, this will be a fun port
15:37:51preglowif it ever gets started
15:38:04*bluebrother just comes back and missed the emacs^Wvim discussion
15:38:15bluebrotherJdGordon, I use gvim −− vim with a gui :)
15:38:16LinusNpreglow: well, it would mean many hours with idapro
15:38:30preglowwe can't even do that until we decrypt the os
15:39:16LinusNpreglow: major pain
15:40:13preglowLinusN: everything's bloody encrypted
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15:40:28preglowso some hardware hackery will probably be needed
15:40:42JdGordonseen as the title isnt saying anything interestign atm.. can i request it point to please? the patch is 99% done and just needs lots of testing
15:41:01LinusNJdGordon: so how did you solve the ata callback issue?
15:41:21JdGordonhavnt yet... it seems stable for the moment..
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16:00:32nudelynchrist, has ANYONE made an iPod 5G case that isn't complete crap?
16:00:47nudelyni just want something that is thin and will protect it from scratches. grr
16:01:00nudelyntried that invisibleshield crap twice now but it gets covered in dust as you apply it. impossible to get right
16:01:43bluebrothernudelyn, I got an iskin for my h120 and I like it pretty much. Maybe that's a good option for ipods also?
16:02:46nudelyni've got an iskin evo3 but it makes the thing much bigger
16:02:52nudelynand uglier IMO
16:03:24nudelynwhy can't apple make it out of better material. or someone offer to take my money and apply an invisibleshield properly, heh
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16:08:31LinusNbluebrother: there?
16:08:39bluebrotherLinusN, yes.
16:08:54LinusNi'm looking at your fm region patch
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16:09:10bluebrotheroh. Nice.
16:09:18LinusNi like it, but maybe you should call it "region" instead of "country"
16:09:51bluebrotherhehe, I already thought about that (but haven't changed it yet)
16:10:14bluebrotheras I noticed it's mostly a region setting and not country.
16:11:47bluebrotherI'll update the patch as soon as I can.
16:12:00bluebrotherany other things I should change?
16:12:23LinusNlooks ok for now
16:12:31bluebrothergreat :)
16:12:46LinusNi'll test it on the archos
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16:25:32amiconnLinusN: Can you test the fm region patch on fmrecorder (i.e. samsung tuner)?
16:25:53LinusNyes i will
16:26:01amiconnI could perhaps test on new Ondio FM as well (i.e. Philips tuner)
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16:29:53bluebrothertucoz, I noticed the discussion about irc clients for windows −− why not use xchat? ;-) There are inofficial builds that aren't shareware (like the official).
16:30:34tucozoh, cool. I always thought xchat == $ for windows
16:30:52*amiconn doesn't like xchat
16:30:59bluebrotherit is, but there are those inofficial builds. I'm using that myself when running windows
16:31:21tucozok. do you have a name for one of those, or will google help me?
16:31:38tucozSUSaiyan: thanks
16:31:39SUSaiyantucoz: see that url :)
16:31:44SUSaiyanyoure welcome :)
16:31:54amiconnI once tried xcgat on windows (iirc it was that inoficial version), and it was unstable
16:32:05bluebrotherthe wikipedia article on xchat has some.
16:32:07SUSaiyanit never crashed on me
16:32:21amiconnIt crashed on me like once per hour
16:32:32SUSaiyanthats odd
16:32:49tucozthen i understand why you don't like it. But in my experience, it never crashes
16:32:54bluebrotherit's the only irc client I use then running windows and it's stable for me. Don't know if it's the silverx build
16:33:34SUSaiyanive always used silverx
16:33:47SUSaiyanthough that was a while back
16:34:48tucozI came to think of something. I wouldn't be surprised if people that like vim use irssi, and people that like emacs use xchat.
16:35:18SUSaiyani use vim and xchat-gnome ^^
16:35:28*theli_ua likes vim and use xchat
16:35:40*bluebrother uses gvim and xchat
16:35:47SUSaiyani only use irssi if ive only got ssh
16:36:09bluebrotherbut irssi is nice if you don't have a GUI
16:36:11tucoz...with exceptions of course
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16:36:52SUSaiyanhi again
16:37:00tucoz_hmm, i do not like this font
16:37:28tucoz_but that i can customize
16:37:31*bluebrother discovered dejavu recently
16:37:35amiconnSUSaiyan: I even don't like it where it doesn't crash, e.g. on my linux box
16:38:38SUSaiyanhehe, okay, why not though?
16:38:44tucoz_amiconn: I had a look at hydrairc. But that was a bit too overkill for my taste
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16:39:31tucozah, happy now. Xchat is so much better than chatzilla
16:39:42SUSaiyanlol ^^
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16:42:21bluebrotherit's always nice to be able using your favorite linux apps on windows. I get more and more addicted to gvim
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16:43:41bluebrothertucoz, different topic: I started trying to build an index. Works nice (except it needs a bit tweaking to look better) but I haven't found out how I modify it to produce section numbers for the html manual
16:43:47Slasheritucoz: but irssi is a way superiour compared to other clients
16:44:24tucozSlasheri, so i've heard. but xchat suits my needs just perfectly
16:44:27Slasheriwith terminal settings and irssi settings it can be customized to look and feel like anything
16:45:01amiconnnon-gui != superior imo
16:45:16tucozbluebrother, cool. Do we have to mark words somehow then?
16:45:30tucozthat should be indexed
16:45:35Slasherieh.. there is no need for a gui for irc client. it only slows things down
16:45:44Slasheriand can't be used remotely from everywhere, even from a pda
16:45:56SUSaiyanvnc :P
16:46:08Slasherihehe, yep :D
16:46:23bluebrothertucoz, yes. Just add \index{foo} at the appropriate places. You can even have subentries, like \index{Installation!manual}
16:46:47Slasheriamiconn: but i don't think that is a very practical solution. With a command line program, it can be used universally almost from every machine connected to network
16:46:54bluebrotherhehe, how about nx?
16:46:57Slasheriincluding mobile phones with gprs and qwerty keyboard
16:47:24bluebrothergui == superior doesn't match either. It depends heavily on the user and the task ;-)
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16:47:44SUSaiyani prefer a mix of both :)
16:48:24tucozthis looks too complicated and crowded for my taste (but probably isn't)
16:48:35Slasheriamiconn: and with advanced irc logging and features, i don't any point in using a gui based client. if your computer crashes or something like that, you would get disconnected
16:49:07SUSaiyantucoz: i doubt id like that either, i prefer a clean interface :)
16:49:21pondlifetucoz: I tried it, but came back to Miranda sharpish.
16:49:25tucozbluebrother, I thought it was something like that. Then we can use some search and rename to index words. Should be a pretty easy task.
16:49:25pondlifeToo busy
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16:54:15amiconnSlasheri: I just deem pure command line too cumbersome for general use
16:54:55amiconnAnd Hydra IRC is very configurable
16:55:40amiconnbluebrother: NX would be an option - just that I can't find any packages fopr my distribution
16:56:21bluebrotherI have nx running on fedora core and like it pretty much. Quite fast :)
16:56:46bluebrotherhave you tried looking for freenx?
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16:57:33Slasheriamiconn: really? for example with irssi, all necessary commands can be bind to two keys. For example changing between windows: alt-1, -2, -3... and for windows 10-> alt-q, alt-w, ... or next active window alt-a. And you can easily have over 100 open windows, i couldn't even think about how one would survive with a gui based client and that many windows :) And of course you see instantly on the status bar what windows have currently ...
16:57:39Slasheri... activity or if you have messages in private query windows (with color coding)
16:57:48Slasheri [17:57] [Slasheri(+ei)] [10:#rockbox(+cnt)] [Act: 3,4,6,7,8,14,16,18,20,53]
16:57:59Slasherithe channel status bar looks something like that
16:58:32Slasheribut you can customize it of course, and every command is instantly available without touching the mouse :)
16:58:41SUSaiyanyou have 53 windows open?
16:58:43amiconnChanging between windows by a mouse click is faster for me than remembering a number
16:58:47SlasheriSUSaiyan: yes
16:58:57SUSaiyanlol :)
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16:59:19Slasherii have had over 150 open windows, but now i try to remember closed old queries :)
16:59:19tucozSlasheri, i guess you use irc more than me. I connect to 1 or 2 channels, and then xchat is perfectly fine
16:59:38Slasherihehe :)
17:00:19theli_uawhat's size of PLUGIN_IRAM (ipod mini) ?
17:00:41bluebrotherhmm, seems gvim put some tabs in my patch. Is there a command to count the number of tabs in a file?
17:00:41amiconnPLUGIN_RAM is 32KB for archos, and 512KB for all others except iFP
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17:01:07amiconnFor iFP I don't know, afaik no plugins at all so far
17:01:09SUSaiyani only have 43 windows open open
17:01:18SUSaiyaner, without the double open
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17:02:15SUSaiyanplugin ram?
17:02:47nlsram available to plugins (without killing playback)
17:03:02tucozbluebrother, maybe you can grep for \t and use wc?
17:03:05tucoznot sure
17:03:16UnsaneLifehey how well does rockbox work? for a Iriver H300 serise
17:03:21SUSaiyantheres so much ram needed to play an mp3 then?
17:04:14amiconnNot necessarily needed, but desired
17:04:41amiconnRockbox buffers as much data as possible in ram in order to spin up the disk less often
17:04:44SUSaiyanthough i have no idea how much ram an archos has
17:05:00bluebrotherok, used the dirty way: replace all occurrences of tab with a strange character and grepped for that.
17:05:18bluebrotherand indeed, my old patch had still some tabs in it :(
17:06:02SUSaiyanwith 2 mb ram i can understand plugins cant use much ^^
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17:07:57SUSaiyanmakes me wonder why ipod nanos have 32MB of ram
17:08:01UnsaneLifecan anyone answer my question how well does rockbox work with the Iriver H300 serise?
17:08:18nlspretty well
17:09:12UnsaneLifeif I install the rockbox onto it would I be able to get the old firmware back on?
17:09:38UnsaneLifeif I needed to......
17:09:48nlsyep, you can dual boot
17:10:14UnsaneLifehow do you duel boot with it?
17:10:49nlshol down rec and play until iriver firmware boots
17:10:59nlshold even
17:11:04UnsaneLifethank you
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17:12:04UnsaneLifeI also heard wiht rockbox you get more battery life is that true?
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17:13:35nlscheck this pagae to see som runtime test but idk if it's better than the OF
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17:14:34amiconnSUSaiyan: Ipod nanos having 32MB RAM is just a design reuse I'd say
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17:15:24amiconnThey also use the same PP chip as (some of) the HD based ipods, and not the special version for flash based players
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17:15:48UnsaneLifealso nls I have one more question trasfering music I couldn't find much on that how do you transfer music useing the rockbox software?
17:16:49nlsYou just plug it into your computer and do it as a normal ums device (like you used to)
17:16:59nlsdar and drop and stuff
17:17:04tucozbluebrother, regarding the discussion in FS on keypresses in the manual. When I added the action stuff, I just entered the keys quick and without any thought that this would be the final layout. That is why i used 'or' as a separator instead of /
17:17:04UnsaneLifek thanks
17:17:42DarthJin /ignore *!*@freenode/staff/* notice
17:17:46UnsaneLifeok thanks for answering all my questions have a nice day
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17:18:05DarthJinYeah.. i'm noob.. ..that was a command that went to screen..
17:18:10DarthJinbad noob!
17:18:13bluebrothertucoz, ok. I think we should change that to / then.
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17:18:45amiconnSUSaiyan: In fact design reuse isn't uncommon. Archos also reused the design of the fm recorder for the Ondio, and only changed what was absolutely necessary (i.e. MMC interface instead of ATA)
17:18:58tucozbluebrother, yes. We should. And also decide what we should call a long press. Something that could be used in both the text and in the tables.
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17:18:59amiconn...and some minor things
17:21:34SUSaiyanamiconn: okay, why do the HD ipods have 32 mb of ram though? all for cache?
17:21:52linuxstbApple's OS is at least 5MB...
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17:23:56amiconnSUSaiyan: The more cache RAM the better. The iPod video 60GB even has 64MB RAM
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17:44:49nlsAnyone think we can remove the note in the manual that explains why the ask setting for resume on startup was removed?
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17:48:10bluebrothernls, maybe we should add such sutff in the changelog?
17:49:59nlsyep, probably...
17:50:59nlsheh it already is (in the 2.5 changelog) "The resume setting has been renamed to 'Resume on Startup'. Pressing the resume button from the WPS now resumes without prompting, regardless of the resume on startup setting. For this reason, the "Ask" setting has been removed, as you can now always resume by pressing a single button."
17:51:34bluebrothernice. we need to integrate the changelog anyway at some point
17:55:20amiconn"Pressing the resume button from the WPS.." <= _slightly_ wrong
17:55:38amiconnShould be "...from the browser"
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18:11:54nlsbluebrother, options in the manual is ON OFF and they are Yes No on target...
18:12:24bluebrothernls, what options do you mean?
18:12:36nlslike shuffle for example
18:12:43bluebrotherall bool options in the settings chapter?
18:13:03nlsno apparently most of them are correct
18:13:10nlsI'll fix
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18:15:21roolkuSlasheri: there seems to be a limit of 8 menus in tagnavi.config - is this correct?
18:15:24amiconnOn target, some bool options are Yes/No, and others are On/Off, whichever makes more sense
18:15:47roolkuSlasheri: if there are more it hangs the h120 on boot (thanks for bootloader USB)
18:16:04nlsok but shuffle was on/off in the manual and Yes/no on target :)
18:16:19roolkuSlasheri: in the sim it segfaults:
18:16:38nlsParty mode stops when you enter fmradio or recording.
18:16:48roolkuProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
18:17:05roolku0x0041a3b3 in parse_menu (filename=0x45d103 "/.rockbox/tagnavi.config")
18:17:21roolku at tagtree.c:672
18:17:45roolku672 menu->itemcount = 0;
18:18:15roolkuSlasheri: could this be please increased to say 16?
18:18:35Slasheriroolku: ah, there is a bug because it hangs
18:18:39roolkuSlasheri: a graceful error would be nice as well. :)
18:18:45Slasheribut you are correct, i will fix that and increase it to 16 :)
18:18:59roolkuThanks a lot
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18:29:59bluebrotherwhat is the fm chip in the ondio fm? Samsung or Philips?
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18:30:52bluebrotherah, there are two variants.
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18:55:26amiconnbluebrother: Yes, there are two hardware versions of the Ondio FM (in fact 3 variants, but only 2 different radio chips)
18:55:49amiconnThe Philips chip is _way_ better than the Samsung
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19:04:00Arathiswhere does bubbles save which lvl waqs the last?
19:06:02bluebrotherwhat happens if I have a switch statement without a default case and call it with a value that isn't covered anywhere?
19:07:53mh546Hi! How do I have to work with the simulator? I built the simulator successfully. It gets successfully re-built when changing, for instance, the bookmark.c file. A change of playback.c, on the contrary results only in a "nothing to be done" when calling make. Any help appreciated.
19:08:40bluebrothermh546, are you building for a archos device?
19:10:53mh546yes, I do.
19:11:52nlsplayback.c is swcodec only, right?
19:11:55linuxstbCheck apps/SOURCES - playback.c isn't build for ARchos.
19:12:09bluebrotherarchos do playback using a hardware chip, so playback.c doesn't apply for them.
19:13:43mh546Oh, that explains everything! Thanks a lot.
19:15:27mh546Where do I have to look for the pause/fade out call for the archos device, then?
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19:22:53linuxstbYou mean the "fade on stop" feature/
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19:29:25mh546I'm just trying to understand the internal structure of rockbox. As a first exercise, I wanted to fiddle around with the play/pause function. I now found out that it is triggered in gwps.c.
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19:36:17mh546Actually, I was trying to do the following: When having the "fade on pause" option activated and pressing pause, the song fades out, then the play icon changes into a pause icon. I wanted to change that behaviour in order to get instant optic feedfack that my button press was recognised by the device. It seems that this is not as easy as the icon seems to be hard-connected to the mpeg state.
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19:36:57markunmh546: yes, please simplify the playback code! :)
19:37:34markunbarrywardell: did you figure out yet how to calculate BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR?
19:37:34pagefaulthi barry, I finally tried out the firmware on my h10 it works well
19:37:43pagefaultmuch easier than pulling out the battery to sync or power down
19:38:11barrywardellso are you happy with the current behaviour?
19:38:31barrywardellor have you any suggestions for a better one?
19:38:44barrywardellmarkun: no
19:38:48barrywardellany tips
19:38:51pagefaultmaybe an option to go into sync mode when you plugged in the cable
19:39:04pagefaultrather than keep running
19:39:06markunbarrywardell: a fully charged li-ion battery is about 420 centivolts
19:39:09pagefaultbut keep the button option
19:39:32barrywardellmarkun: I know the values from the adc at max and min battery
19:39:49markunok, then you can calculate the factor
19:39:54barrywardellhow do i convert that to centivolts?
19:39:56markunWhat's the adc value?
19:40:13barrywardell0x330=min, 0x380=max
19:40:58markun0x330 before the h10 shuts down??
19:41:31barrywardell0x330 is when the bootloader won't start up because of low battery
19:41:47barrywardellif I leave Rockbox running, it can keep going much lower than that
19:42:02barrywardellbacklight flickers around 0x300
19:42:05pagefaultyeah I noticed that too
19:42:40pagefaultI charge for about 5 seconds so I can boot then I can plug in the charger
19:43:23pagefaultbut it will run for much longer if I don't attach a charger
19:43:32pagefaultbut totally do random things
19:44:26markunbarrywardell: try a scale factor of 4688
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19:44:55barrywardellcool. can I ask how you came up with that number?
19:45:04markun(420 / 0x380) * 10000
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19:45:27markunfrom the calculations in firmware/powermgmt.c
19:45:48barrywardellah, i see. thanks
19:47:01markuncan you try it?
19:47:11barrywardelli will right now
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19:49:32markunbarrywardell: another problem: it will not the right percentages now
19:50:06markunYou need to add your own battery to percent_to_volt_discharge
19:50:07barrywardellis that the percent_to_volt_discharge thing?
19:50:25markuncopy the BATT_LIPOL1300 one
19:50:45barrywardellso i use the centivolt value, not the adc value there?
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19:50:56barrywardelland in battery_level_dangerous?
19:51:13markunwell, you need to find out these values from experimenting
19:51:43amiconnpercent_to_volt_discharge should be virtually identical for all LiPo batteries
19:52:24markunamiconn: well, I think the h10 has a different '0%' voltage..
19:52:29amiconnThe only way to find the true scale factor would be to use a voltmeter
19:53:05amiconnMeasure the voltage and read the adc in paralle, then adjust the factor so that the calculation yields the true voltage
19:53:12amiconn(in centivolts)
19:53:28markunbarrywardell: with the scale factor I calculated the backlight flickers at 360 centivolt.. That's not very low.
19:53:32amiconnmarkun: I doubt that it is much different
19:53:45barrywardelli'm planning on taking my H10 apart for some other tests at some stage, so i'll take a voltmeter to the battery too
19:54:21barrywardellmarkun: it may be lower than that, I can't remember
19:54:33barrywardelli think i was still able to run my h10 at 0x280
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20:00:48barrywardellwhen I start up, the battery level is at empty (flashing)
20:01:07barrywardellit slowly increases towards full over a couple of minutes
20:02:05barrywardellbut the adc values don't change much from startup
20:02:55amiconnThat looks like the adc is initialised too late, so the first read yields zero
20:03:47amiconnA moving average is applied to the voltage values in the powermgmt thread
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20:04:04barrywardellah, indeed i think you're right. I need to force a scan on startup
20:05:05markunbarrywardell: the scan is done in power_thread() (or are you not talking about this?)
20:05:45barrywardelladc_read() doesn't actually scan the adc, adc_scan() does
20:06:38barrywardellso a scan when initialising will hopefully solve the problem
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20:24:37hockyhairis there any place to check the status of 5g devolpment?
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20:28:00nlsmost rockbox info can be found in the wiki
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20:31:57barrywardellah, think it's working now. thanks for your help markun and amiconn
20:32:14barrywardelli'll have to do some more testing to get it totally accurate though
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20:41:03Davide-NYCanyone working on wma or m4a decoding?
20:41:13Davide-NYCI am willing to do testing.
20:42:31Wettlinuxstb: yep ^^
20:43:28linuxstb_How's the rvf player? :)
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20:46:29Wettit should be almost rewritten from scratch I think
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20:48:21linuxstb_I know amiconn has expressed an interest in working on it.
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20:50:34WettI think I still have the modified tools for creating bigger rvf files somewhere
20:51:02Wettif I remind well, the wiki sources links are broken
20:51:08linuxstb_I'm sure anything you've done would be useful for others wanting to continue the work.
20:52:06Wetti'll look for the sources then
20:54:37Wetterf, still can't manage to build the uisim using cygwin -_-
20:55:42linuxstb_What's the problem?
20:55:58Wettmake: *** /home/Mathieu/rockbox/uisimulator/sdl: No such file or directory. Sto
20:56:52Wettthis uisimulator directory doesn't exist, i've certainly missed a step anywhere
20:57:14linuxstb_Try "cvs -z3 co uisimulator" in your rockbox directory.
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21:01:38Wettseems to work, thx !
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21:53:07pagefaultthat was crazy
21:53:35pagefaultI could not get another makefile for a while
21:53:48pagefaultbut now magically it generated a makefile
21:53:52pagefaultohw ell
21:53:59pagefaultwell at least I have one now
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22:39:28markunis the wiki down?
22:39:38markunthere it is again..
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22:41:45markunnow that we have m3u8 support we could save rockbox playlists in that format and use the default codepage when we read the m3u files
22:43:27bluebrothernice idea.
22:43:45*amiconn wonders what m3u8 is
22:43:49pagefaultwow what is a m3u8 file
22:44:05pagefaultutf8 formatted?
22:44:12bluebrotherm3u in utf8, without bom.
22:44:25bluebrotherthat's generated by foobar for example
22:44:36amiconnStrange method...
22:44:46bluebrotherwriting m3u in utf8 tends to cause confusion ...
22:44:51pagefaultwhat do you guys use to sync
22:45:09bluebrotherwhat's strange on using a different file extension?
22:45:10pagefaultI need to find something that syncs my stuff into nice folders and playlists with rockbox
22:45:40*amiconn doesn't use a special sync tool
22:45:50pagefaultjust copy it over
22:45:52amiconnJust windows explorer or the equivalent on other OS'es
22:46:00pagefaultyeah I have a UMS device
22:46:17pagefaultjust wondered if there was something that was a bit nicer to find what I was looking for
22:46:30*bluebrother wants to set up a script using rsync for this.
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22:47:02Bagderbluebrother: rsync -avW −−progress −−size-only −−delete /data/mp3/* /mnt/archos/
22:47:38bluebrotherBagder, this does only sync from PC -> dap, does it?
22:47:44pagefaultalso is there a util to build the tag db offline
22:47:50pagefaultinstead of waiting for the player
22:48:05bluebrotherI believe there is a script in tools/
22:48:21pagefaultok thanks, I hope I am not asking too many questions
22:48:55bluebrotherbetter asking questions here than opening "bugs" in the tracker with support questions ;-)
22:49:24pagefaulti'm trying to figure out everything I can about this so I can eventually start writing some useful code for it
22:49:42bluebrotherpagefault, tools/ should be able generating the database for you.
22:49:58Bagder... at least for ogg and mp3
22:50:07pagefaultthats all I use anyway
22:50:48pagefaultthanks i'll make up a script to make up the database before I do my syncs
22:51:28hcsI've disabled the cpu frequency scaling for my 4g ipod, is the frequency reported in debug what its actually running at (11MHz)?
22:51:58markunamiconn: your previous setting for bouncing cards looked nicer on the gigabeat. They fall very fast now.
22:52:43*amiconn tested on sims with all possible resolutions, including gigabeat
22:52:53markunso you prefer it?
22:53:18amiconnBefore, they fell too fast on archos and mini, and too slow on larger LCDs like H300
22:54:12amiconnNow they fall about equally fast on all targets
22:55:42amiconnAnimation time is still somewhat different, because (1) the calculation doesn't take the card height into account, and (2) the horizontal speed is always an integer amount of pixels, so there are few possible values on small LCDs, and many possible values on larger LCDs
22:55:47markunthey tend to stop bounding pretty quickly if the horizontal speed is low and leave a black bar on the bottom
22:56:25amiconnThey should now bounce longer than before, as I reduced the damping...
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22:56:42markunI'll take a screenshot
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22:59:06amiconnThe black trail happens if the horizontal speed is low, i.e +1 or -1
22:59:24amiconn...but it also happened before - earlier than now
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23:22:28lowlightDoes pcm_calculate_peaks not work properly in the sim? e.g. the oscilloscope looks blocky.
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23:29:45amiconnThe blockiness is caused by the OS's PCM driver
23:30:11amiconnIt depends on the OS (on windows it's more blocky than on linux), and on the sound card driver
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23:33:32lowlightAhhh....I wanted to how the fire plugin would look if it used pcm peaks instead of rand()...but on the sim it looked like crap.
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