| 00:01:16 | vertic420 | hey.. does anybody know whether there a "calender"-function plugin or something close to that for my X5V? |
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| 00:02:10 | * | mirak tap on amiconn shoulder |
| 00:02:12 | amiconn | Slasheri: (re tagcache menu items) Is it really necessary to waste that much ram? |
| 00:03:22 | amiconn | mirak: Well the datasheet says it all. There's a stall when you do a store immediately followed by another store |
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| 00:03:41 | amiconn | ...unless you use movem, which doesn't stall |
| 00:03:53 | preglow | ooh |
| 00:04:00 | preglow | 4.3 has coldfire improvements scheduled |
| 00:04:02 | preglow | gcc |
| 00:04:24 | * | amiconn wouldn't count on that |
| 00:04:50 | amiconn | It took half a year to fix the m68k-elf gcc build bug on amd64 |
| 00:04:50 | preglow | why not? |
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| 00:05:16 | preglow | a bug report and a schedules patch merge is hardly the same thing |
| 00:05:20 | preglow | scheduled |
| 00:05:32 | amiconn | Sure |
| 00:06:03 | preglow | as a matter of fact, it would be fun to try out those patches right now |
| 00:06:23 | amiconn | emac support? |
| 00:06:42 | * | amiconn somehow doubts that |
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| 00:07:00 | webguest30 | H140, mp3, with latest bleeding edge I have on two different tracks had playback interrupted by a screechng sound, much like electronic feedback, if I rewind and play that section again its not evident |
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| 00:07:24 | preglow | i seriously doubt we'll see emac support |
| 00:07:32 | preglow | i don't see how emac support could be implemented anyway |
| 00:07:41 | mirak | amiconn: do you bother pipeling most of the time ? |
| 00:07:56 | mirak | preglow: that's like mmx |
| 00:08:01 | mirak | or altivec |
| 00:08:07 | mirak | it's done by hand most of the time |
| 00:08:13 | webguest30 | now now |
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| 00:08:57 | preglow | mirak: well, exactly |
| 00:09:06 | mirak | or maybe there are some special macros |
| 00:09:14 | preglow | emac intrinsic function support would be cool |
| 00:09:28 | amiconn | mirak: Well, if it saves cpu cycles, it's worth it. |
| 00:09:30 | preglow | but i can't see how anything else would work |
| 00:09:33 | mirak | something that integrates to C syntax without using asm directly, but you need to do by hand |
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| 00:09:50 | amiconn | I admit that I didn't check my memcpy and memset for this kind of stall |
| 00:10:04 | jhMikeS | let's have memswap function so we can free 512KB of memory :) |
| 00:10:09 | amiconn | Pipelining is much more complex on SH than it is on coldfire |
| 00:10:42 | mirak | amiconn: I am in some situation where I have no other choices. I must set 8 words from a column vertically. |
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| 00:11:23 | mirak | there are no other instructions to fill between the moves |
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| 00:12:18 | mirak | amiconn: also by reading it I am not sure if all the move function is stalled after a store or just other stores |
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| 00:15:22 | amiconn | The datasheet clearly says it: "For all STORE operations (except MOVEM), certain hardware resources within the processor are marked as “busy” for two clock cycles after the final DSOC cycle of the store instruction. If a subsequent STORE instruction is encountered within this 2-cycle window, it will be stalled until the resource again becomes available." |
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| 00:21:27 | preglow | holy shit, the gcc svn tree is large |
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| 00:24:50 | mirak | amiconn: ok. I posted to the tracker an amelioration of idct. I am not sure though my shifting and byte reversion efforts to store a long word instead of 4 bytes are worth it. |
| 00:25:28 | mirak | since my goal is to have a *dest buffered in iram it might be useless if I manage to do that |
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| 00:29:12 | preglow | did i mention how huge the gcc tree is? |
| 00:32:22 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know where the UDA SYSCLK is connected in the iriver(s)? |
| 00:32:30 | amiconn | The schematics don't show it... |
| 00:32:38 | amiconn | I guess it's either MCLK1 or MCLK2 |
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| 00:35:31 | LinusN | amiconn: should be mclk1 |
| 00:35:52 | LinusN | i can't double check right now, bagder has my multimeter |
| 00:36:01 | preglow | the swine |
| 00:36:08 | preglow | did anyone try out gcc 4.1 for coldfire, again? |
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| 00:38:52 | jhMikeS | I guess MLCK1 it is. Why does it say FXTAL/4 for cf should not be used normally? |
| 00:39:56 | preglow | Assembler messages: |
| 00:39:56 | preglow | Error: unrecognized architecture specification `cpu=68020' |
| 00:40:06 | preglow | how to fix that error when building coldfire gcc, again? |
| 00:40:57 | LinusN | apply the patch in the wiki |
| 00:41:16 | jhMikeS | MCLK2 is unused? |
| 00:42:07 | preglow | shouldn't as accept -mcpu options anyway? |
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| 00:47:51 | preglow | patch doesn't seem to help |
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| 00:52:03 | LinusN | preglow: which binutils version are you using? |
| 00:52:30 | preglow | LinusN: 2.16.1 |
| 00:52:37 | LinusN | hmm |
| 00:52:38 | preglow | LinusN: upgrading to 2.17 now just in case |
| 00:52:50 | preglow | i'm trying out a very new gcc branch so it is somewhat possible |
| 00:53:26 | LinusN | i believe 2.16 works |
| 00:53:29 | preglow | it should |
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| 00:54:37 | midkay | Slasheri? |
| 00:54:58 | preglow | LinusN: ehh, that actually seemed to do the trick |
| 00:55:15 | preglow | now it's crashing another place |
| 00:55:47 | preglow | ahahahahah, sweet lord |
| 00:55:52 | preglow | it's the good old 64 bit bug |
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| 01:03:39 | preglow | amiconn: smokes, actually seems that bug is fixed in mainline now |
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| 01:04:55 | Angryman | Sop it Barry stop it ... I dont want to update the patched builds every night ;-) |
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| 01:07:40 | barrywardell | well, they're only small changes... |
| 01:08:26 | Angryman | well, they are welcomed always even if they're little ;-) |
| 01:09:56 | Joely | hehe *poke barrywardell |
| 01:10:14 | barrywardell | hello |
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| 01:11:16 | preglow | finally |
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| 01:23:45 | Joely | heh, any way i can be useful? i want to do something! grrrr |
| 01:27:29 | preglow | damn, i can't even get it to understand target optiosn |
| 01:28:08 | Soap | Update the Mac and Linux ipod install instructions for dealing with nano firmware 1.2, i haven't got to it yet, and I don't think anyone else has. |
| 01:28:18 | Soap | (in the wiki) |
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| 01:30:50 | preglow | bargh, both gcc and gas has obviously changed their parameter format |
| 01:31:11 | Joely | so fat32 is going to be the only filesystem available? i can try to make an HFS module or something... |
| 01:31:47 | Soap | not wanted. |
| 01:31:56 | Joely | ok |
| 01:31:56 | Soap | FAT32 does everything needed./ |
| 01:32:28 | preglow | Joely: plus, i think you're underestimating the task |
| 01:33:07 | Soap | seriously, if you are a Mac man, look at the windows install instructions for the ipods, notice the steps required for the Nano 1st generation with AppleFW 1.2, and apply those same changes to the MacOSX install instructions, they are out of date. |
| 01:33:30 | Joely | ok |
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| 01:49:25 | shriphani | where do i get add ons for the default rocbox theme ? |
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| 01:56:29 | linolium | is it possible to get the backlight to stay off.. unless you press and hold a button after which point it will stay on until you press and hold that same button again? |
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| 02:02:26 | Davide-NYC | please help with bash syntax |
| 02:02:42 | Davide-NYC | i want to run bmp2rb on all files in a folder. |
| 02:03:35 | Joely | for x in {*}; do bmp2rb $x ; done |
| 02:03:39 | Joely | i would think |
| 02:05:00 | Joely | where * is all the files |
| 02:05:09 | Joely | seperated by commas |
| 02:05:22 | Davide-NYC | I have to list them |
| 02:05:24 | Davide-NYC | ? |
| 02:06:14 | Davide-NYC | I remember somethign similar to "for each blah in *.bmp do something" |
| 02:06:51 | Joely | foreach is a perl command i think... |
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| 02:09:19 | Joely | AH HA |
| 02:09:33 | Davide-NYC | you got it? |
| 02:09:39 | Joely | for x in `ls` ; do bmp2rb $x ; done |
| 02:09:53 | Joely | is that ok? |
| 02:10:22 | Davide-NYC | go tit |
| 02:10:26 | Davide-NYC | *got it |
| 02:10:28 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 02:10:31 | Joely | np |
| 02:11:02 | Joely | are you a programmer for Rockbox? |
| 02:11:15 | Joely | i'm just wondering what people are doing for this project! it's really cool to see alternate firmware |
| 02:11:39 | Davide-NYC | nah, I'm just the icon gimp today |
| 02:11:48 | Davide-NYC | generating icons for the statusbar |
| 02:11:52 | Davide-NYC | I suck at C |
| 02:12:06 | Davide-NYC | but I will get better. Just must find more time |
| 02:12:51 | Joely | cool! yeah....i'm 16 so i have bunches of time to learn anything...only thing is i spread myself too thin sometimes over projects... |
| 02:13:29 | linolium | I'm 17... and my name is Joel.. :P |
| 02:13:42 | Joely | REALLY?! |
| 02:13:43 | Joely | haha |
| 02:13:58 | Davide-NYC | I'm old and have to work so focus now and become expert programmers. |
| 02:14:08 | Davide-NYC | (weez, cough, hack) |
| 02:15:14 | linolium | it would be nice to be able to access tagcache and the file browser without having to change a setting to toggle between the two |
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| 02:20:16 | Quazgaa | what happened to the controls for the radio on x5 |
| 02:21:06 | Quazgaa | it doesnt scan, and you can only go left |
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| 02:25:06 | pixelma | Quazgaa: i think it has to do with the button action rework for the radio screen... you should report it here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.120 |
| 02:26:32 | Quazgaa | ok |
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| 02:30:27 | Quazgaa | also "key on" and "key record" seem to be inverted in doom |
| 02:30:33 | Quazgaa | should i also report that |
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| 02:32:14 | pixelma | I don't know - as far as I know it has nothing to do with this... but the radio screen was definately changed last friday |
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| 02:35:02 | Quazgaa | agh stupid verification crap |
| 02:35:48 | Quazgaa | nukes your ability to register in elinks :/ |
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| 02:42:06 | Davide-NYC | How are people making out playing M4A files with the new optimization? |
| 02:42:14 | Davide-NYC | (on coldfire targets) |
| 02:44:56 | Davide-NYC | yo hello? )lol) |
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| 03:31:38 | DrMoreau | I made some changes to ata.c for the 5.5g pods.. tryiny to test, but........ |
| 03:33:09 | DrMoreau | i get "make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." trying to build the bootloader |
| 03:37:30 | DrMoreau | we all sleepin? |
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| 03:59:03 | Life^ | can anybody tell me why when using rockbox and setting up tagcache correctly, it tells me that tagcache isn't ready? |
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| 04:10:46 | webguest30 | HI |
| 04:11:11 | webguest30 | how's everybody |
| 04:11:31 | webguest30 | I have a few quesions if anybody is willing to answer |
| 04:11:37 | webguest30 | It'd be appreciated |
| 04:12:23 | Drkepilogue | uh... |
| 04:12:27 | Drkepilogue | whats it related to |
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| 04:12:30 | Soap | General good pratice is to ask your questions and wait for the answer. |
| 04:12:41 | Soap | If wait to ask you might never get an answer. |
| 04:13:13 | Soap | Or leave. Just like everyone else in my life! |
| 04:13:21 | Drkepilogue | lol |
| 04:13:27 | Drkepilogue | dont worry |
| 04:13:29 | Drkepilogue | i wont leavwe |
| 04:13:57 | Drkepilogue | atleast until dinner arrives |
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| 04:55:27 | midkay | Soap! |
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| 07:46:28 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, nope. I will optimize that soon and change it to use dynamic allocation |
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| 08:14:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: in fact it's already dynamic.. do you mean 64 * 4 bytes is that much of ram? ;) |
| 08:14:49 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:15:28 | amiconn | No, I mean sturct root_menu menus[] |
| 08:15:38 | Slasheri | ah, hmm |
| 08:15:58 | amiconn | With TAGMENU_MAX_MENUS == 64, it means 23040 bytes |
| 08:16:17 | Slasheri | hmm, true. that can be changed to dynamic also |
| 08:16:37 | Slasheri | would dynamic allocation for that sound better? :) |
| 08:16:43 | amiconn | Btw, you once said there would be potential to optimise the tagcache code size-wise |
| 08:17:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, there should be still space to do that |
| 08:17:12 | amiconn | I've only seen it grow since then :/ |
| 08:17:15 | Slasheri | i have already done some optimizations but not everything possible |
| 08:17:28 | Slasheri | yep, there has been much of new code.. |
| 08:18:47 | amiconn | I know that tagcache offers much functionality, and I wanted tagcache myself (replacing the old tagdb), even though I almost never use it myself, |
| 08:19:56 | amiconn | but at the same time I also want to keep rockbox from growing too much |
| 08:20:10 | amiconn | ...size-wise, not feature-wise |
| 08:20:47 | Slasheri | true.. maybe it would be a good time to optimize the code a bit |
| 08:21:15 | amiconn | The archos targets might be old, and not many users are left, but there's still a number of them around |
| 08:22:26 | scorche | i lub my archos... |
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| 08:24:11 | amiconn | And the archoses have some advantages over any of the newer devices... rockbox stability, better snr(!), higher potential hd capacity (with upgrade) to name a few |
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| 09:10:24 | pondlife | Morning all. I assume there's not much can be done about the build hang yet then... |
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| 09:13:36 | pondlife | Bagder: Is it only Zagor who can reset it? Or only when you're at work? I can never remember who to pester... ;-) |
| 09:13:43 | * | LinusN goes killing some processes |
| 09:14:14 | pondlife | Kill! Kill! |
| 09:14:38 | theli_ua | why won't we include patch for absolute wheel positions for ipods? |
| 09:14:49 | pondlife | How about an auto-kill for builds that take >30 mins or something |
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| 09:15:12 | LinusN | pondlife: we are working on it |
| 09:15:27 | pondlife | OK, I'm sure I wasn't the first to suggest it. |
| 09:16:03 | LinusN | not really :-) |
| 09:16:07 | pondlife | The hangs seem to be happening more often recently though, and always when I am about to commit. Psychic servers anyone? |
| 09:16:25 | LinusN | ah yes, we often stall silly commits |
| 09:16:30 | pondlife | They know I'm about to commit and hang in fear. |
| 09:17:20 | pondlife | Thanks, we're off again |
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| 09:20:27 | pondlife | p.s. Anything I should do regarding the message: "cvs commit: Using deprecated info format strings. Convert your scripts to use the new argument format and remove '1's from your info file format strings."? |
| 09:20:36 | LinusN | hmmm, the wiki faq's need updating |
| 09:20:45 | LinusN | pondlife: no, that's a server issue |
| 09:20:53 | pondlife | Good |
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| 09:23:56 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: I would like to see that patch committed, it's simply that no-one with CVS commit access has looked at it.. Do you know if it still applies cleanly to CVS? |
| 09:24:49 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, haven't tried lately but it seemed to apply ... i'll try now |
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| 09:29:28 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, it does apply |
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| 09:36:37 | petur | LinusN: if you got time to look/try isp1362 code, I've put some files on http://users.telenet.be/petur - I won't be having any time until tomorrow night |
| 09:37:44 | LinusN | i'll see if i can find the time |
| 09:37:55 | petur | no hurry ;) |
| 09:38:36 | * | petur is gone again - work to do |
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| 09:39:10 | pondlife | Another hung build? |
| 09:40:26 | LinusN | weird |
| 09:40:37 | pondlife | Looking at the table, what is missing? |
| 09:40:39 | pondlife | Not a lot.. |
| 09:41:19 | pondlife | i.e. the devices all seem to be there. |
| 09:42:42 | * | pondlife thinks the failure may be in some post-build update/finalisation, but knows nothing |
| 09:45:07 | linuxstb_ | theli_ua: OK, I'll try and look at it this evening. There are some features missing - i.e. sending "touch events", but at least for Rockboy and Doom (where the wheel patch would be used first), those events aren't needed. |
| 09:48:34 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, i wanted to use this in zxbox as well :) |
| 09:49:01 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, as for rockboy i have working patch at flyspray |
| 09:49:30 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, at least it was working when i used it (before 'generic scaling' commit) |
| 09:50:20 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, btw yesterday i figured out that rockboys scaling is the same as in zxbox ... i;m thinking of lloking into supporting targets with smaller than gameboys screen |
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| 10:07:25 | Mmmm | amiconn: Here's an alternative for the Quality settings on hw targets, no more slipping below the statusbar : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/icons.png |
| 10:07:39 | Mmmm | what do you think? better? |
| 10:08:08 | Ed__ | lol - there's also a UNIX port of Rockbox? |
| 10:08:20 | pondlife | Yes, the sims |
| 10:08:39 | pondlife | Also a Windows port...if you have SDL available.. |
| 10:08:48 | pondlife | My media player of choice |
| 10:09:06 | Ed__ | i always use Herrie (wrote it myself - http://g-rave.nl/projects/herrie/ ) |
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| 10:16:34 | linuxstb_ | Ed__: I've been looking for something like that. What audio formats does herrie support, and does it do gapless playback? |
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| 10:18:15 | Ed__ | linuxstb_: it is gapless enough |
| 10:18:18 | Ed__ | it leaves the audio device open |
| 10:18:30 | Ed__ | it supports mp3 and ogg - the mp3 support is still a little bit funky - no seeking yet |
| 10:18:34 | Ed__ | well - only seeking forward |
| 10:18:36 | Ed__ | nog backward :D |
| 10:18:57 | linuxstb_ | So no FLAC support? |
| 10:19:01 | Ed__ | oh yeah |
| 10:19:02 | Ed__ | flac as well |
| 10:19:05 | Ed__ | through libsndfile |
| 10:19:25 | linuxstb_ | Ah, OK. I'll give it a go then... |
| 10:20:21 | Ed__ | still need some volunteers to throw it in a package manager |
| 10:20:30 | Ed__ | it's only in FreeBSD Ports at this moment |
| 10:20:39 | Ed__ | linuxstb_: if you're using linux - don't forget to apply the .diff |
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| 10:25:45 | hcs | hmm, would converting the iTunesDB to a Tag Cache database be workable? |
| 10:26:23 | pondlife | Why not just let it rescan? Are the files not tagged themselves? |
| 10:26:29 | hcs | they are not |
| 10:26:32 | pondlife | :( |
| 10:26:44 | pondlife | Sorry, never used iTunes |
| 10:27:07 | hcs | It'd be nice, though, for people just switching over from apple's firmware, to have immediate access to all the music (except the drm'd stuff) |
| 10:27:24 | hcs | as immediate as the conversion can be, that is |
| 10:27:40 | * | LinusN sees a potential bug in the build script |
| 10:27:55 | hcs | I've never successfully done anything with the cache, though, so just wondering if it sounds possible |
| 10:28:05 | pondlife | LinusN: hooray |
| 10:28:11 | linuxstb_ | hcs: The files are normally tagged - if they've been ripped with itunes. At least, mine have always been. |
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| 10:28:44 | linuxstb_ | hcs: I'm guessing you've imported files without tags, and then edited the metadata within itunes? |
| 10:28:48 | hcs | ayep |
| 10:29:04 | hcs | and I know a few other people who are the same way |
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| 10:29:11 | hcs | cleaning up the tags in iTunes |
| 10:29:14 | LinusN | pondlife: it looks like it fails to recover from a network error, so it waits forever for a build that has failed |
| 10:29:34 | pondlife | Aha |
| 10:29:41 | LinusN | even though it has restarted the build on another server |
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| 10:30:05 | pondlife | Fixable easily? |
| 10:30:27 | LinusN | yes, i'll just have to make sure that this really is the case |
| 10:30:40 | linuxstb_ | I'm against itunesdb support for two reasons - 1) It can only be used for file formats itunes supports, so tagcache still needs to search the hard disk for other files; 2) The itunesdb is a constantly moving target - Apple change the format with every new release of itunes, so it will constantly be broken by Apple upgrades... |
| 10:31:09 | hcs | I'm for it for ease of transition |
| 10:31:28 | hcs | my proposal won't be integrated into rockbox, in any case |
| 10:31:35 | linuxstb_ | Are you willing to implement it, and then maintain it, reverse-engineering all of Apple's future changes/ |
| 10:31:36 | hcs | no more than the songdb.pl is now |
| 10:31:51 | scorche | wtf? |
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| 10:32:02 | scorche | my ajbr is beeping at me again... |
| 10:32:36 | hcs | I'm willing to implement it now, yeah, and after I spend a bit of time studing the tag cache I'll do just that. |
| 10:33:31 | * | scorche still has yet to figure out where that beeping even comes from... |
| 10:33:36 | hcs | I'll check with my roommate's newer iPod/iTunes setup, I'd just be using libgpod for the DB access anyway |
| 10:39:08 | LinusN | can we agree to rename "tag cache" to something that more describes what it really is, i.e a tag database? |
| 10:39:26 | LinusN | i have yet to see what makes it a cache |
| 10:39:28 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 10:39:29 | hcs | rocboxDB |
| 10:39:42 | Bagder | it isn't just a db |
| 10:39:57 | Bagder | it is for songs/tracks and for meta data about them |
| 10:40:12 | hcs | a database thereof, no? |
| 10:40:23 | Bagder | yes, but "rockboxdb" doesn't say so |
| 10:40:37 | hcs | ok, that was a joke anyway |
| 10:42:46 | LinusN | i think "tag database" is a good candidate |
| 10:42:49 | linuxstb_ | hcs: You may find it easier to just tag your files... |
| 10:43:42 | hcs | linuxstb_: I don't think so, with code for generating the tag cache (er, database) and libgpod my work will be little indeed |
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| 10:43:53 | linuxstb_ | hcs: If there isn't such a tool for itunes already, maybe you could write one - i.e. update the tags in a music collection based on the data in the itunes DB. Nothing related to Rockbox. |
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| 10:44:12 | LinusN | hcs: why not use libgpod to tag your files instead? |
| 10:44:34 | gromit` | nin |
| 10:44:39 | gromit` | oops sorry :) |
| 10:44:45 | linuxstb_ | hcs: The advantage is that you do it once, and then you're not reliant on the itunes db any more. |
| 10:45:09 | hcs | well, I'd like the db to still be there, so I can use the apple firmware |
| 10:45:41 | LinusN | hcs: nothing stops you from having both, if you tag your files |
| 10:45:49 | hcs | its a hangup I have with modifying the music files, probably some sort of disease |
| 10:46:51 | linuxstb_ | I have the opposite hangup - I tag everything I get, and normally re-encode with my own FLAC settings if I get something in a lossless format. |
| 10:47:31 | hcs | then we must do battle, you tagging and me doing nothing |
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| 10:53:04 | obo | LinusN: I've updated 4899 - if you get time, could you cast an eye over it please? |
| 10:53:37 | LinusN | i already have |
| 10:54:12 | obo | is it as it should be now? |
| 10:55:19 | LinusN | yes, one question though: |
| 10:56:04 | LinusN | why do you have both #ifdef HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION and #if (CONFIG_CPU==PP5020) && defined(IPOD_ARCH) |
| 10:56:16 | LinusN | in headphones_inserted() |
| 10:56:48 | LinusN | ? |
| 10:56:59 | obo | belt and braces I think... but yes, the check in headphones_inserted isn't needed |
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| 10:58:25 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 10:58:33 | JdGordon | whats the story with the wps's on FS? |
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| 10:59:26 | bluebrother | wps on FS? |
| 10:59:27 | JdGordon | i mean, should thye be closed and told to submit to the wiki? or added to the source if they work on all targets? |
| 10:59:37 | JdGordon | .. or just left? |
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| 11:00:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: not sure |
| 11:00:37 | theli_ua | btw can anyone move me to developers on flyspray so i can change/assign tasks ? |
| 11:00:37 | JdGordon | :) ok |
| 11:00:52 | VoltageX | What should I do if I'm looking to buy a new MP3 player with Rockbox support? |
| 11:01:09 | JdGordon | look @ the wiki and supported targets |
| 11:01:29 | bluebrother | maybe the wiki shouldn't tell the users to submit them to the tracker for inclusion in rockbox? |
| 11:02:05 | amiconn | theli_ua: Why don't you just check for (LCD_HEIGHT > 192) || (LCD_WIDTH > 256) to decide whether to draw the border? |
| 11:02:13 | VoltageX | JdGordon: I really should try the obvious first, thanks ;) |
| 11:02:27 | amiconn | This would be more compatible to possible future targets... |
| 11:03:09 | theli_ua | amiconn, cause for now supported bigger screens are 320x240 and 320x200 .... other >169 and >192 still lack some code :) |
| 11:03:30 | theli_ua | amiconn, for example .... well ... you can look at gigabeat sim :D |
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| 11:05:07 | theli_ua | amiconn, http://theli.ho.com.ua/dump.png |
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| 11:07:04 | JdGordon | should #2754 be accepted? (assuming the patch still works), allows the iriver tagert to be build without remote support |
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| 11:08:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: what issue does it fix? |
| 11:09:03 | JdGordon | i guess some people want to build the iriver without remotes? it just adds some ifdefs.. no actual code |
| 11:09:56 | LinusN | odd |
| 11:10:39 | JdGordon | why odd? not everyone has the remotes and it possibly does improve the build slightly... |
| 11:10:55 | JdGordon | or ill just close the task with rejected? |
| 11:11:09 | LinusN | you could ask what the patch is good for |
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| 11:11:43 | LinusN | besides, the patch checks for HAVE_REMOTE_LCD for the archos targets |
| 11:12:10 | LinusN | i wonder why |
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| 11:12:34 | JdGordon | because its wrong... but that part of the patch isnt even needed anyway |
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| 11:13:09 | amiconn | Why would you want to build without remote support? |
| 11:13:38 | amiconn | The remote code isn't doing much when no remote is plugged |
| 11:13:55 | * | JdGordon doesnt know... |
| 11:14:02 | JdGordon | some people are just odd |
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| 11:14:11 | LinusN | the only reason i can think of is if the hardware is broken somehow |
| 11:14:23 | LinusN | so it thinks a remote is connected |
| 11:14:53 | LinusN | i think we should reject it |
| 11:15:03 | LinusN | "useless" :-) |
| 11:15:07 | amiconn | Well, it does draw to the remote framebuffer, but that part doesn't need much cpu time |
| 11:15:38 | amiconn | The data transfer and button reading is what costs cpu power... but that's only done when a remote is plugged |
| 11:15:49 | JdGordon | ok, closing |
| 11:16:06 | Mmmm | amiconn: do you aprove of the new q value icons? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/icons.png |
| 11:16:14 | VoltageX | Heh, well I have a remote from a different iriver model (I think) and some times it's detected wrongly or acts up but I agree, there's not much reason to remove remote support |
| 11:17:31 | amiconn | VoltageX: What remote do you have, and what iriver? |
| 11:17:37 | * | bluebrother spots the word "useless" :D |
| 11:17:41 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:17:42 | amiconn | Maybe the detection needs a little tuning... |
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| 11:18:30 | LinusN | obo: the patch looks ok |
| 11:18:39 | amiconn | Mmmm: What about using the small Q icon only, and leaving the M/S as standard letter? |
| 11:19:02 | JdGordon | next one... # 2662, |
| 11:19:02 | JdGordon | Adds the "Show ID3 Info" menu item to the file context |
| 11:19:02 | JdGordon | menu |
| 11:19:04 | JdGordon | ? |
| 11:19:09 | JdGordon | sorry.. that pasted wrong |
| 11:19:17 | Mmmm | amiconn: that makes the code a lot more complex |
| 11:19:28 | obo | LinusN: good :) Whats the next stage then? |
| 11:19:46 | amiconn | Mmmm: How so? |
| 11:19:46 | LinusN | obo: have you compiled it for all targets? |
| 11:20:22 | Mmmm | amiconn: ifdefs here, ifdefs there... its so nice looking now that everyone is on icons! :) |
| 11:20:25 | obo | LinusN: no, not all - I did a test compile for a h120 last night, which was fine |
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| 11:20:43 | VoltageX | amiconn sorry, should have been more specific... H340, no idea which remote it is (2nd hand) and it only detects wrongly for a minute if you're looking at the debug stuff |
| 11:20:58 | VoltageX | *but* some of the buttons don't do what you'd expect |
| 11:21:03 | LinusN | obo: how about the sim? |
| 11:21:03 | amiconn | Mmmm: Did I say the M/S should be an actual letter? A letter can still be an icon... |
| 11:21:40 | obo | LinusN: it isn't defined, but give me a few minutes... |
| 11:21:51 | amiconn | It's just that the M/S has an actual meaning, while the Q is just a constant prefix |
| 11:23:21 | amiconn | Hmm, and I would replace that odd "00" icon with a plain "k" |
| 11:23:48 | Mmmm | 00 icon? |
| 11:23:57 | Mmmm | in the screenshot? |
| 11:24:01 | Mmmm | or the code? |
| 11:24:11 | LinusN | what is that icon anyway? |
| 11:24:37 | Mmmm | what icon? |
| 11:24:48 | LinusN | the one to the right of "44k" |
| 11:24:49 | * | Mmmm is lost |
| 11:25:04 | Mmmm | stop? |
| 11:25:10 | LinusN | to the right |
| 11:25:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | The stereo icon? |
| 11:25:32 | Mmmm | ahh..that left :D... that's a stereo icon |
| 11:25:35 | bluebrother | stereo? |
| 11:25:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't look like a stereo icon |
| 11:25:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just guessed that's what it was after someone mentioned there was one. |
| 11:25:54 | Mmmm | give me a good stereo icon and it's in! |
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| 11:26:12 | Mmmm | icons are not my forte! |
| 11:26:35 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, it's the two "O" circles overlapping? I think it's just because it's so small |
| 11:26:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: I think it's because they're open circles |
| 11:27:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try putting a much smaller half-circle (or just a few pixels) on the inside side of each one. |
| 11:27:17 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: how else would you represent stereo? |
| 11:27:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, on the O on the left, touching the right 'wall' of the O put a few dots to make a dark lump clinging to it, so it looks a little more like a speaker pointing outward. |
| 11:28:24 | Mmmm | it can only be 5 pixels wide |
| 11:28:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 11:28:55 | VoltageX | Aren't small screens so much fun? |
| 11:29:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought it was 7 wide. |
| 11:29:02 | LinusN | lovely |
| 11:29:06 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hasn't looked at it in a while |
| 11:29:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is the exact dimension then? |
| 11:29:15 | amiconn | Iiuc this icon just stands for "000" to indicate the sampling frequency |
| 11:29:43 | Mmmm | no... there is a k after 44 |
| 11:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mmmm: 5 wide by how many tall? |
| 11:30:01 | Mmmm | 7 tall |
| 11:30:13 | amiconn | So what does it mean, then? |
| 11:30:20 | Mmmm | stereo |
| 11:30:31 | Mmmm | as in recording in stereo |
| 11:30:49 | Mmmm | no. of channels |
| 11:30:54 | Mmmm | =2 |
| 11:30:55 | amiconn | Huh? I thought the M to the left of the Q setting is the Mono/Stereo indicator... |
| 11:31:02 | Mmmm | mp3 |
| 11:31:34 | Mmmm | (I was wonsering what the S was in M/S ! ha ha.. |
| 11:31:38 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
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| 11:31:54 | amiconn | Archos can only record in MP3 atm |
| 11:31:59 | Mmmm | atm! |
| 11:32:17 | amiconn | That's why I didn't expect an indicator for that anywhere |
| 11:32:23 | Mmmm | i see.. |
| 11:32:31 | VoltageX | whoa, I have been away from rockbox for a while. It's been changing. Whoever wrote the (threading?) cleanup code that means plugins don't make the audio skip is a legend! |
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| 11:34:36 | obo | LinusN: apart from the normal error about Flash being full, it builds cleanly on recv2, h120 and 5g, both sim and normal |
| 11:34:48 | LinusN | wonderful |
| 11:34:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | How 'bout just something like this for a stereo icon? http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2352/icon1hm2.png |
| 11:35:11 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: i like it |
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| 11:35:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | And thin I suppose http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5791/icon2pv2.png for the mono version |
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| 11:36:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | then |
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| 11:36:43 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: or rather just one centered "speaker" |
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| 11:37:23 | Mmmm | why cant i see your stereo icon? :( |
| 11:37:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: That works as well. I'm just a fan of symmetry. ;) But either works for me. |
| 11:37:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mmmm: What happens when you go there? It's a very small image. |
| 11:38:17 | Mmmm | it just keeps on loading and gets nowhere..the mono one works fine |
| 11:39:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mmmm: Reuploaded it, try this? http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1080/icon1pn0.png |
| 11:39:29 | Mmmm | ooohh....That's good! |
| 11:39:40 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: i think the difference between the mono/stereo icons works better if the speaker images look the same |
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| 11:39:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: We can do that then. |
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| 11:43:36 | Mmmm | do you want the mono speaker facing right or left? |
| 11:46:09 | LinusN | right |
| 11:46:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think Right would look a little better for most people, though I really can't justify it with any more than a feeling. |
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| 11:47:06 | aliask | It flows with the usual left to right text reading - so your eyes are going in that direction... at least that's the justification I'd give. |
| 11:50:09 | LinusN | aliask: so we should change the icon when you change to a language that reads from right to left? :-) |
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| 11:50:25 | aliask | Exactly :) |
| 11:50:53 | LinusN | i'd like to have all icons themable |
| 11:51:03 | aliask | There's a patch which does this |
| 11:51:10 | aliask | It reads them from a .bmp |
| 11:51:20 | LinusN | yes, but that patch is a total mess |
| 11:51:44 | aliask | Yeah, it took me about 3 hours to get it to work |
| 11:52:08 | aliask | As for coding style, I wasn't really paying attention. |
| 11:53:02 | LinusN | are we talking about the same patch? |
| 11:53:27 | Mmmm | here are Pauls icon on the recorder...http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/iconsst.png and http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/iconsmon.png |
| 11:55:51 | aliask | Hrm, not sure - I'll find it. |
| 11:56:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the very least it's clear it's an icon and representative of something other than the number '00' :) |
| 11:56:19 | LinusN | aliask: i was talking about this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2981 |
| 11:56:37 | Mmmm | Paul_The_Nerd: I like it myself :) |
| 11:56:45 | aliask | LinusN: Yes, that one. |
| 11:58:22 | LinusN | aliask: that patch wasn't too bad, i think i meant this one when i said it was a total mess: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2931 |
| 11:58:24 | pondlife | Is it good that Flyspray allows anonymous comments? I think not... |
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| 11:58:42 | hcs | I just went through about 50 WPS themes and wound up sticking with iCatcher anyway |
| 11:58:48 | LinusN | pondlife: to protect against spam? |
| 11:58:48 | mray | hi, i'm looking for some applications for my iRivier 340 - where is a good resource to get games and stuff? |
| 11:59:00 | LinusN | mray: www.rockbox.org :-) |
| 11:59:19 | pondlife | "Comment by - Wednesday, 08 February 2006, 09:49PM" is a bit "useless".. |
| 11:59:31 | LinusN | pondlife: :-) |
| 11:59:48 | pondlife | Don't worry - the useless amnesty starts here |
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| 12:00:08 | mray | www.rockbox.org seems only to provide the os. |
| 12:00:17 | markun | mray: the OS comes with the games |
| 12:00:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well anonymous allows people to add information to bugs even if they're one of those "I hate signing up for anything" folks. |
| 12:00:36 | aliask | LinusN: I like the ideas of that patch, I was thinking about some kind of statusbar WPS, because of the varying level of complexity that is desired by different users. |
| 12:00:50 | pondlife | True, but makes it harder to follow up and get response when a bug has been fixed, which can be frustrating |
| 12:00:53 | aliask | Anon. comments make it hard to get in contact with the OP. |
| 12:01:04 | aliask | Er - what pondlife said. |
| 12:01:14 | markun | mray: but you need to download some wad files to play doom and roms to play with the gameboy emu |
| 12:01:18 | pondlife | Yes, but with correct grammar ;-) |
| 12:01:42 | aliask | Psht - this is the internet! |
| 12:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Here's an idea: Make the status bar for all practical purposes an extra WPS entirely. Giving the option to define its height (for example, two lines, the second being the currently playing song, like some people have requested the ability to always see). |
| 12:01:54 | LinusN | aliask: yes, a statusbar config would be nice some day, but i think we could start in a small scale by allowing custom icons and custom height |
| 12:02:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 12:02:25 | pondlife | Maybe this should wait until after viewports? Sounds like the statusbar will be a viewport... |
| 12:02:38 | LinusN | pondlife: maybe so |
| 12:03:04 | pondlife | Although "after viewports" could prevent progress... is anyone actually working on that idea at all? |
| 12:03:24 | markun | pondlife: amiconn's working on it in his head |
| 12:03:31 | pondlife | Good |
| 12:03:58 | pondlife | Hmm, in other news, doesn't Sudoku already have an option to solve the current puzzle? |
| 12:04:11 | LinusN | obo: committed |
| 12:05:22 | obo | LinusN: Yay! Thanks :) |
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| 12:05:56 | Mmmm | so amiconn, where were we? You reckon the MQ should be an icon but the number should be a sysfont char? |
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| 12:06:31 | LinusN | in fact, we should be able to implement the autopause function on the archos too |
| 12:07:29 | markun | LinusN: do we have other targets where we can do headphone detection besides ipods? It will be possible on the gigabeat |
| 12:07:37 | obo | LinusN: apps/codecs.c and codecs.h - some other changes have slipped through? |
| 12:07:46 | LinusN | markun: archos |
| 12:07:57 | LinusN | obo: damn |
| 12:08:00 | markun | you answered before I could ask my question :) |
| 12:08:34 | linuxstb_ | obo: Any reason for not implementing on all ipods? According to the IPL GPIO wiki page, the same GPIO pin is used on the mini as the later ipods. For the 3G, it's on bit 0 on GPIO_B |
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| 12:13:39 | obo | linuxstb_: I was enabling it as others reported it as working - I started working on it after seeing the rb IO Debug screen |
| 12:14:34 | obo | linuxstb_: I can create a patch to define it for the 3g and mini, and put in a different GPIO check for the 3gs |
| 12:17:32 | linuxstb_ | That would be good. |
| 12:17:55 | hcs | where should I put the .tcd files that songdb.pl produces? |
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| 12:18:52 | O11 | hey |
| 12:18:53 | JdGordon | hcs: .rockbox |
| 12:19:14 | O11 | I need to replace the battery in my H320.. and I'm not completely sure what battery I need to buy.. |
| 12:19:19 | hcs | JdGordon: ok, that's what I thought, something else must be messed up |
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| 12:19:26 | O11 | anyone know if this is the right sort?>> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48051&criteria=ipod%20battery&doy=26m9 |
| 12:19:35 | JdGordon | hcs: you have the .idx files also? |
| 12:19:40 | JdGordon | i tihnk thats the extension |
| 12:19:45 | JdGordon | the index file |
| 12:19:55 | hcs | no, I think songdb might have bailed out early |
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| 12:19:57 | Bagder | O11: ask in a suitable misticriver forum and you're likely to get a better response |
| 12:20:19 | aliask | O11: I think those are the ones. |
| 12:20:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | O11: I'm about 90% sure that's a usable one, if you swap the red and black wires in the connector |
| 12:20:23 | markun | O11: It's the right battery |
| 12:20:43 | aliask | Oh yeah, don't forget to switch the polarity. |
| 12:20:54 | JdGordon | hcs: you need tagcache.idx.tcd have u got it? |
| 12:20:58 | O11 | yay! they're so cheap! =D |
| 12:21:12 | pondlife | What capacity mAh is the original H320 battery? |
| 12:21:20 | markun | 1400? |
| 12:21:21 | hcs | JdGordon: ok, it exited cleanly this time, but I have no .idx, only tagcache_idx.tcd |
| 12:21:37 | JdGordon | yeah, thats the one... and it doesnt load? |
| 12:21:40 | O11 | pondlife: i don't think it matters because in rockbox you can change what the capacity is.. |
| 12:21:43 | JdGordon | have you got tagcache enabled? |
| 12:22:10 | O11 | but yeah.. are there any guides on replacing the battery without having to get to the plug..? |
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| 12:22:22 | pondlife | No, I just wondered what sort of improvement over std that battery might give. |
| 12:22:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | O11: You can't change what the capacity is. You can tell Rockbox what the capacity is so that it can better estimate remaining time (on players where that's calibrated) |
| 12:23:54 | pondlife | Yes, on the H300 it's still too pessimistic. I'm configured for 2600mAh for a close estimate, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong! |
| 12:24:04 | hcs | JdGordon: I'm trying to enable tagcache, when I go to the browser it says tagcache not ready, do I have to initialize it even if the .tcds are already there? |
| 12:24:15 | O11 | Paul_The_Nerd: that's what I meant =P |
| 12:24:16 | JdGordon | hcs: no idea.. |
| 12:24:30 | JdGordon | hcs: Slasheri is your man on that one... |
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| 12:25:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | O11: Just making sure. Some people have been known to trust the estimates, and thinking that increasing the capacity in Rockbox actually gives them longer runtime |
| 12:25:51 | O11 | I can imagine =0 |
| 12:25:57 | pondlife | Nice feature! :-) |
| 12:26:06 | O11 | but yeah.. there's also an even higher capacity one.. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48052&criteria=ipod%20battery&doy=26m9 |
| 12:26:18 | O11 | how do I know that it's not fatter? |
| 12:26:26 | O11 | i suppose it'd have to fit in the same ipod.. |
| 12:26:27 | pondlife | I'm making a custom build allowing up to 6000mAh, that should give me a day or 2 runtime... |
| 12:26:38 | preglow | argh, three more settings |
| 12:26:39 | O11 | pondlife: how? |
| 12:26:53 | O11 | pondlife: for the h300? |
| 12:26:53 | pondlife | Joke! |
| 12:26:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can get a day with a 2200mah. 6000 would be several. ;) |
| 12:27:13 | O11 | pondlife: oh.. hahaha! =| |
| 12:27:16 | pondlife | If I could increase the runtime some more, there would be a patch for it. |
| 12:27:23 | O11 | a patch? |
| 12:27:56 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches |
| 12:28:29 | amiconn | LinusN: How would that be possible? |
| 12:28:34 | pondlife | If you really want to know...! Then look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 for more. |
| 12:28:39 | amiconn | (the autopause on archos) |
| 12:29:55 | obo | linuxstb_: something like http://pastebin.ca/182768 ?? |
| 12:30:07 | O11 | pondlife: i mean.. what would the patch be for? |
| 12:31:36 | obo | linuxstb_: bah, would be even better if it used an #if instead of an #ifdef |
| 12:32:29 | pondlife | O11 No idea, I meant that if I knew how, I'd do it. |
| 12:34:00 | O11 | pondlife: oh.. to make rockbox use up less power? |
| 12:34:06 | pondlife | Yep |
| 12:34:41 | O11 | hmm.. should I get the higher capicity battery for Ł20 or the lower capacity for Ł6 |
| 12:35:11 | O11 | 2200 or 1600? |
| 12:35:19 | JdGordon | go the 2200 |
| 12:35:21 | O11 | any idea what the run times would be like? |
| 12:35:44 | O11 | ..on rockbox.. |
| 12:35:48 | JdGordon | many hours, and not as many :p |
| 12:35:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2200 is reported to get like, 28+ hours on H300? |
| 12:35:57 | pondlife | Well, if I was replacing (which doesn't seem too easy on the H340) then I'd go for the highest capacity I could get. |
| 12:36:08 | O11 | at the moment I'm only getting an hour and a half on rockbox =P I'm not that fussy.. |
| 12:36:39 | hcs | doh, iPod is little endian, isn't it |
| 12:36:49 | pondlife | I'm on about 18 hours at the moment |
| 12:37:03 | pondlife | Will be replacing battery in a year or so I guess. |
| 12:37:09 | O11 | my h320 is practically unusable unless it's plugged in.. |
| 12:37:11 | pondlife | If all else continues to work ok. |
| 12:37:37 | O11 | i mean.. there's just such a big price gap between the 1600 and the 2200 |
| 12:37:49 | Mmmm | amiconn: do I have your blessing on the icons for the archos or are you not convinced? |
| 12:37:53 | O11 | any idea how long the 1600 has lasted for people? |
| 12:38:00 | markun | O11: on ebay you can get the 2200 for less |
| 12:38:07 | * | O11 has a look |
| 12:38:11 | JdGordon | 1600 is the standrad one isnt it? about 16 hours or soething |
| 12:38:13 | markun | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-iPod-1-1st-Generat-Battery-2200-mAh-UP325385A4H_W0QQitemZ320031403118QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:38:51 | pondlife | Good Li-Ion quote from batteryuniversity.com - "Whereas a nail penetration test could be tolerated on the older 1.35Ah 18650 cell, a high-density 2.4Ah would become a bomb when performing the same test.." |
| 12:39:01 | markun | O11: here are some runtimes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 12:39:24 | hcs | JdGordon: that was it, I had to generate the database in little endian |
| 12:39:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: Standard battery is 1400mAh on H300 |
| 12:39:46 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:39:59 | hcs | might want to change the usage statement to say "Write out data as little endian (for iPod or simulator)" |
| 12:40:47 | O11 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-iPod-1-1st-Generat-Battery-2200-mAh-UP325385A4H_W0QQitemZ320031403118QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:40:47 | Bagder | not only ipod |
| 12:40:51 | O11 | looks like the best one.. |
| 12:40:58 | O11 | markun: haha.. snap.. |
| 12:41:11 | hcs | Bagder: ok, but in any case, it only says "for simulator" now |
| 12:41:26 | Bagder | that's not even true in all cases either |
| 12:41:28 | amiconn | ...and you can get ~20 hours of playback (192kbps mp3) |
| 12:41:37 | Bagder | if you run the sim on a PPC Mac OS for example |
| 12:41:43 | hcs | yeah |
| 12:41:57 | Bagder | I'll change that |
| 12:42:00 | hcs | thanks |
| 12:42:29 | hcs | works great now that I can generate the cache... |
| 12:43:28 | O11 | amiconn: with what battery? |
| 12:43:31 | O11 | 1400? |
| 12:43:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:43:38 | O11 | on rockbox? |
| 12:43:41 | amiconn | yes |
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| 12:43:50 | amiconn | of yields less runtime |
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| 12:44:01 | O11 | that seems amazing to me.. i've been used to stupidly short runtimes.. |
| 12:44:07 | O11 | hey san |
| 12:44:20 | O11 | san: just working out which replacement battery to buy.. |
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| 12:45:13 | markun | O11: I have the ebay 2200mAh in my h120. Was a very tight fit because it's about 1 or 1.5 mm thicker. |
| 12:45:45 | amiconn | The 20 hours are for continuous playback... real-life runtime will be less, but still good |
| 12:46:06 | aliask | Oh, *that's* why I had to remove the harddrive padding when I replaced my battery. |
| 12:46:52 | Slasheri | hmm, just fixed 3 critical bugs in tagcache.. |
| 12:47:05 | Slasheri | but need still to test more |
| 12:47:35 | hcs | Slasheria: ah, tagcache guy, what do you think of my proposal to write an iTunesDB to tagcache convertor? |
| 12:47:39 | pondlife | Slasheri: Any opinion on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5934? |
| 12:48:52 | Slasheri | pondlife: i got the idea from the patch, but needed to completely rewrite it |
| 12:48:57 | Slasheri | should be included in next commit |
| 12:49:33 | Slasheri | hcs: hmm, sounds interesting. but is there any benefits of writing that? |
| 12:50:14 | hcs | Slasheri: its mostly for me because I'd rather spend the time writing the converter than tagging the thousands of songs on my ipod |
| 12:50:44 | hcs | and i think it would be helpful for people just switching over to have nearly the same interface to access all their old songs |
| 12:51:02 | Slasheri | pondlife: now that bug + duplicate entries after commit + deleting entries corrupting db should be fixed |
| 12:51:27 | Slasheri | hcs: ah, so the problem is that tags are in itunes db but not in real files? |
| 12:51:35 | Slasheri | then it sounds ok |
| 12:51:36 | hcs | Slasheri: precisely |
| 12:51:47 | O11 | markun: okay.. buying the battery now.. are you in the uk? how long did it take to get to you? |
| 12:52:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | hcs: Creating it as a plugin, right? |
| 12:52:25 | hcs | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm going to do it up in linux with libgpod, might make it a plugin if it turns out to be reasonably useful |
| 12:52:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, so not even really a part of Rockbox. Gotcha |
| 12:53:01 | hcs | and how come I just now discovered nick tab completion? |
| 12:53:15 | pondlife | A plugin would probably be best for migrating users.. |
| 12:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was hiding |
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| 12:53:58 | hcs | pondlife: yeah, I'd just rather do the initial work on linux, porting libgpod will be another task |
| 12:54:05 | pondlife | OK |
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| 12:54:26 | pondlife | Is there no software out there to apply the iTunesDB to the file tags? |
| 12:54:30 | markun | O11: I'm in the Netherlands. Took maybe a week. |
| 12:54:39 | pondlife | That would be more useful! |
| 12:54:52 | hcs | pondlife: iTunes itself will do that, actually, but I have this mental block about modifying the files |
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| 12:55:06 | pondlife | Make a backup first? |
| 12:55:12 | obo | linuxstb_, LinusN: does FS #6067 look okay? |
| 12:55:24 | pondlife | Quicker than writing the code... ;-) |
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| 12:55:54 | hcs | pondlife: yeah, but I prefer the quick running solution to the quick doing-it-once solution |
| 12:56:51 | pondlife | OK. I just don't know enough about iTunes I guess and assumed it would keep the files in sync safely. |
| 12:56:52 | hcs | to be able to set it up for my iPod-wielding friends in the time it takes to parse the database without any irrevesible changes |
| 12:57:56 | hcs | and, as silly as it is, I have WAVs on here, how would I tag them? (and don't say encode to flac...) |
| 12:58:52 | pondlife | WAVPACK? |
| 12:59:01 | pondlife | ;-) |
| 12:59:08 | hcs | quiet, you |
| 12:59:12 | O11 | I've bought teh battery! |
| 12:59:32 | O11 | I'm going to need to check the polarity of the original battery right/ |
| 12:59:41 | O11 | and then put the new battery in accordingly.. |
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| 13:00:29 | linuxstb_ | obo: I wouldn't use CONFIG_CPU - logically, it's nothing to do with the CPU. I would use IPOD_4G_PAD and IPOD_3G_PAD - and explicitly check for the IPOD_4G_PAD, rather than assuming that's the case. |
| 13:00:29 | O11 | right? |
| 13:02:32 | wuffie | Is there a list of current bugs that I can veiw/search before i submit a bug report? |
| 13:02:56 | LinusN | wuffie: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
| 13:03:12 | wuffie | cheers :o) |
| 13:05:09 | amiconn | LinusN: [12:28:29] <amiconn> LinusN: How would that be possible? (the autopause on archos) |
| 13:05:56 | * | Genre9mp3 listens to music with his "just arrived" Ondio_FM_ :) |
| 13:06:17 | Genre9mp3 | Hopefully this one won't have the power draining issue... |
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| 13:10:05 | obo | linuxstb_: okay - it's updated. |
| 13:11:35 | LinusN | amiconn: using the serial port pin |
| 13:12:51 | linuxstb_ | obo: Looks good to me. I'll commit it (unless LinusN wants to...) |
| 13:14:52 | LinusN | linuxstb_: do it |
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| 13:15:12 | amiconn | LinusN: Okay, that means it will work on player and v1 only |
| 13:15:23 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:15:24 | amiconn | (and afaics only if the remote isn't used) |
| 13:15:26 | obo | linuxstb_: thanks |
| 13:15:28 | markun | O11: the polarity needs to be changed, yes |
| 13:15:46 | linuxstb_ | LinusN, obo: Done. |
| 13:15:55 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
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| 13:20:36 | Slasheri | hmm, i wonder who is that Uchida in FS (#5934). If anybody knows, please add to CREDITS for the idea. I will commit a fix for tagcache now |
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| 13:23:06 | Genre9mp3 | Woohoo! 20min of playback and no warming up of the device! :) Everything seems OK so far! |
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| 14:00:02 | pondlife | Anyone object if I change the filetree spelling/number voicing to only trigger on hover? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6051 is the patch |
| 14:00:38 | pondlife | Makes code smaller, more consistant, and should help scrollwheel users a bit. |
| 14:02:01 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: I don't use the voice UI, so can't really comment. But I'm wondering if you've tested other values apart from 0.5s. |
| 14:02:20 | pondlife | Well, I did consider making that configurable.. |
| 14:02:33 | pondlife | But 1s was too long IMHO |
| 14:02:42 | pondlife | And 0.5s seemed pretty good |
| 14:02:56 | pondlife | Smaller would probably not be an option |
| 14:03:02 | pondlife | What were you thinking? |
| 14:03:35 | pondlife | We really need a proper fix for the "already buffered voice problem" - lostlogic had an idea, but I can't work it out... |
| 14:03:57 | hcs | I must say I appreciate the simple structure of the tagcache, at least at the moment |
| 14:04:20 | pondlife | KISS is a Rockbox principle. |
| 14:04:39 | hcs | and a good principle for this stupid |
| 14:04:59 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: My first reaction was to think smaller than 0.5s, so was just curious if you had tested smaller values. |
| 14:05:42 | pondlife | Hmm, not really. But the idea was to use the same delay as for the thumbnail clips, which is there to prevent unwanted disk access, and is actually too short for me. |
| 14:06:00 | pondlife | I would probably personally go for 0.75s. |
| 14:06:08 | Mmmm | amiconn: I have got rid of the M for now and used a nice Q icon I made and we are back to sysfont numbers.. hope you like it ;) |
| 14:06:10 | pondlife | But didn't want to slow it down for others. |
| 14:06:15 | linuxstb_ | OK - as I said, I don't use voice ui... |
| 14:06:41 | pondlife | I don't think many (non-blind) people do. I guess I'll commit it and see what the reaction is on the MLs. |
| 14:06:53 | pondlife | It's not a major bit of code change |
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| 14:08:43 | amiconn | Voice UI is really useful while driving, and still one reason to stick with archos |
| 14:09:30 | pondlife | H340 does it well too (as long as your fingers aren't fat like mine) |
| 14:09:43 | pondlife | amiconn: Would you object to this change? |
| 14:10:48 | pondlife | I bet you use thumbnail clips don't you? In which case it makes no difference... |
| 14:11:28 | amiconn | I use thumbnails for dirs, and numbers for files |
| 14:12:02 | pondlife | Me too |
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| 14:14:19 | pondlife | amiconn: So would you object if the number was only read out after a short delay. |
| 14:14:38 | amiconn | I wonder what's wrong with saying it immediately? |
| 14:14:53 | amiconn | I don't like an additional delay there... |
| 14:15:11 | pondlife | I find it makes selecting a file while driving a bit easier - you get confirmation you are on the right file, if that makes any sense. |
| 14:15:16 | amiconn | The real problem with voice on swcodec is that preemption doesn't work |
| 14:15:32 | pondlife | Yes, agreed. |
| 14:15:37 | pondlife | Does it work ok on Archos then? |
| 14:15:48 | amiconn | On archos, you will only hear the last number even without a delay if you're scrolling fast |
| 14:16:22 | pondlife | OK. Well any idea on how to make mp3_play_stop work well on SWCODEC?? ;-) |
| 14:16:59 | pondlife | It's not a queuing delay (either in talk or playback). It seems to be that the voice already got passed into the PCM buffer. |
| 14:17:11 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:17:25 | amiconn | lostlogic wanted to look into it... |
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| 14:17:55 | pondlife | I assume pcmbuf.c needs a new entry point to reset voice buffer or something. I shall await lostlogic's input... |
| 14:17:57 | amiconn | Iirc the problem is that the pcm buffer length cannot go below a certain threshold without causing ski |
| 14:18:00 | amiconn | pping |
| 14:18:28 | pondlife | Yes, but doesn't the voice have a dedicated PCM buffer? |
| 14:18:39 | amiconn | Also iirc, pcm_playback does the mixing between main audio and voice - directly into the pcm buffer |
| 14:19:52 | pondlife | I don't think that will need to change, if we can find a nice way to clear the queued PCM data from the voice buffer first.. |
| 14:19:57 | amiconn | My idea was to use 2 pcm buffers, and do the mixing in the isr |
| 14:19:57 | lostlogic | pondlife: no, there's not a separate buffer |
| 14:20:07 | pondlife | Ah, I misunderstood that then. |
| 14:20:12 | lostlogic | it's mixed into the main pcmbuffer as it's decoded |
| 14:20:24 | lostlogic | to fix this problem, it would need a dedicated buffer and something very close to just-in-time mixing |
| 14:20:32 | amiconn | pondlife: My idea is that there should be a separate buffer... |
| 14:20:33 | pondlife | voicebuf = &fadebuf[PCMBUF_MIX_CHUNK] ? |
| 14:20:40 | pondlife | Is that not a seperate buffer? |
| 14:20:59 | pondlife | Alongside the crossfade buffer... |
| 14:22:48 | pondlife | I have almost got my head around playback.c, but barely around pcmbuf.c - obviously! |
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| 14:23:31 | lostlogic | it's only a uhh 1/4? 1/8? second buffer, and only used for one 'chunk' of voice at a time |
| 14:23:38 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 14:23:57 | pondlife | So the voce data has already gone through this too. |
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| 14:24:40 | pondlife | s/voce/voice |
| 14:25:02 | lostlogic | yeah −− basically the voice codec decodes into that fadebuf[pcmbuf_mix_chunk] spot, and when it's done, it gets mixed into the (hoepfully correct) position in the main pcmbuffer |
| 14:25:49 | pondlife | So it should really have a seperate buffer that can be overwritten, and then mixed just-in-time, along with audio fade. |
| 14:25:57 | lostlogic | right |
| 14:26:14 | pondlife | Might be beyond me for now at least. |
| 14:26:38 | lostlogic | I was kinda afraid to try the JinT mixing, because it seems like it would be too much processing to do in the FIQ or interrupt and I'm not sure where else it could possibly be done |
| 14:26:40 | Genre9mp3 | OndioFM _is_ able to record from FM Radio, right? |
| 14:26:57 | * | linuxstb_ worries about how voice can work when Rockbox supports playback at varying samplerates (e.g. on ipods).. |
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| 14:28:07 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: we'd hafta resample the voice to the target sample rate before buffering it? |
| 14:28:27 | pondlife | We do that anyway, don't we? |
| 14:28:48 | lostlogic | hmm, do we run it through the DSP? I forget. |
| 14:28:50 | linuxstb_ | What if a voice clip spans two tracks with different samplerates? |
| 14:29:06 | pondlife | Well a voice file (at 12kHz) is overlaid on the audio... |
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| 14:29:40 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: well when we've added that support then we'll also have a way to know what the sample rate of where we're playing from in the pcmbuffer is, so we'll know what sample rate to mix the voice at? |
| 14:30:01 | preglow | voice is resampled |
| 14:30:02 | mray | somebody knows if there is the chance to get certain games that have been removed ? |
| 14:30:21 | markun | mray: which ones? |
| 14:30:23 | pondlife | mray: Do you mean Tetrox by any chance? |
| 14:30:35 | mray | no |
| 14:30:59 | mray | well, currently i would like to get "any" game to run... |
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| 14:31:08 | pondlife | Sudoku? |
| 14:31:25 | mray | but i was searching for the "pearls" and found out that some guys forced to remove the plugin |
| 14:31:35 | pondlife | Jewels? |
| 14:31:44 | mray | yep |
| 14:31:45 | Genre9mp3 | ...If yes... then I wonder: (1) Why you don't get that option from "Recording Settings > Source" like on other targets (eg. H300), (2) If you leave the Radio screen but let Radio play, when you go to the Recording screen (from the Main Menu) Radio stops, and (3) Choosing "Recording Screen" from the Radio Menu results to a "nice" freeze! |
| 14:32:04 | pondlife | Should still be there.. |
| 14:32:25 | markun | mray: only the name was changed |
| 14:32:33 | hcs | to protect the guilty |
| 14:32:35 | mray | ?! |
| 14:32:39 | pondlife | And some graphics... |
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| 14:32:52 | markun | mray: so you can't play any games from the 'plugins' menu? |
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| 14:33:24 | Genre9mp3 | All these, makes it impossible to record FM Radio with OndioFM (except if I miss something) |
| 14:33:28 | pondlife | mray: Browse Plugins and you should see jewels listed |
| 14:33:36 | mray | at least i didn't find out how it works |
| 14:33:42 | mray | i |
| 14:33:47 | mray | oops |
| 14:34:04 | mray | i downloaded doom + wads and i have no clue how it should work |
| 14:34:16 | mray | then i tried rockboy but had no luck either. |
| 14:34:21 | mray | :S |
| 14:34:24 | markun | mray: search the wiki |
| 14:34:43 | mray | i was following the wiki - but i seems to me like it is not complete |
| 14:34:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is |
| 14:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The instructions on the wiki work, for both PluginDoom and PluginRockboy |
| 14:35:30 | markun | mray: where did you get stuck? |
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| 14:36:57 | mray | i downloaded rockdoom and put it in the right directory |
| 14:37:15 | mray | then i added several other wads doom2 and doom |
| 14:38:17 | markun | and then? |
| 14:38:27 | mray | right - and then? |
| 14:38:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's our question |
| 14:38:39 | mray | i have no clue - i tried to "start" the rockdoom |
| 14:38:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | What happened when you ran the Doom plugin?\ |
| 14:38:47 | markun | "The Doom plugin is NOT a viewer. It is run from the plugins list, similar to Jewels and the others." |
| 14:38:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where does it say "Click on Rockdoom.wad"? |
| 14:38:53 | mray | i see no plugin listed in the plugins list |
| 14:39:12 | mray | i tried to do that as it was the only thing i was able to try :P |
| 14:39:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it should be expected that when you try the wrong thing, it won't work |
| 14:39:24 | mray | am i missing some files? |
| 14:39:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | What player do you have? |
| 14:39:34 | mray | iriver h320 |
| 14:39:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you're running an official build? |
| 14:39:50 | mray | the latest, yes. |
| 14:39:57 | markun | mray: if the plugin list is empty maybe you didn't extract the complete zip file.. |
| 14:40:59 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: The 'recording screen' item in the radio context menu on archos is a bug |
| 14:41:02 | mray | there is only a *.wad linked in the wiki |
| 14:41:16 | markun | mray: I'm talking about the rockbox zip file |
| 14:41:22 | amiconn | You don't need the recording screen at all, just start the recording from the radio screen, by double-clicking Mode |
| 14:41:52 | mray | do i need all the PC files of doom on my iriver? |
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| 14:42:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | mray: You only need those described on the wiki page. |
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| 14:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | mray: What shows up when you choose to Browse Plugins in the main menu? Do you have all the plugins there? |
| 14:42:37 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Thanx for the tip... Shouldn't be a "Record" option in Radio context Menu as well, though? |
| 14:43:16 | mray | i see no plugins - and i don't understand what i have to do in order to see them. |
| 14:43:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | You haven't installed Rockbox properly then |
| 14:43:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | As Markun said. |
| 14:43:29 | markun | mray: unzip the rockbox zip file to your player |
| 14:43:44 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Also, would (1) make sense on Archos? |
| 14:43:49 | markun | it contains all the plugins |
| 14:43:49 | mray | i see nothing it says "no files" |
| 14:44:04 | lini | wow ipod autopause is in the CVS |
| 14:44:04 | markun | which file are you trying to unzip then? |
| 14:44:09 | lini | thanks guys :) |
| 14:44:35 | hcs | ooh, keen |
| 14:45:06 | mray | ok i download the latest build for the h300 series now. |
| 14:46:02 | mray | i unzip and get one file and one folder. "rockbox.iriver" and "/.rockbox" |
| 14:46:05 | PaulJam | the latedt dayly for the h300 doesn't contaun any plugins |
| 14:46:34 | mray | i need to get the "old" builds? |
| 14:46:44 | markun | mray: no, everything is in the .rockbox folder |
| 14:46:52 | linuxstb_ | mray: Download the latest "cvs build" for the h300. |
| 14:48:11 | mray | ok i have the latest CVS now |
| 14:48:26 | mray | and i think i just need to copy it over to my root directory now - right? |
| 14:48:39 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Radio stopping when you go to the recording screen is deliberate. |
| 14:48:42 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: I think that's because the daily builds are built on www.rockbox.org, and that server has an old version of m68-elf-gcc which needs upgrading (the aac commit broke the Coldfire builds on pre 3.4.5 versions of m68k-elf-gcc) |
| 14:49:11 | amiconn | On archos there is no audio multiplexer to select between line in and radio, instead, the radio is just jooked up in parallel with the line in socket |
| 14:49:26 | amiconn | s/jooked/hooked/ |
| 14:49:59 | Genre9mp3 | Oh.... so (1) doesn't make sense then, too |
| 14:50:00 | markun | mray: I think I have to appologise :) Just dowloaded the last daily build and can't see any plugins either. |
| 14:50:08 | amiconn | You can verify that by enabling the radio, then connect the Ondio's 'line in' with a line in of your amplifier |
| 14:50:33 | mray | i appreciate anny effort to help me - no need to appologize :) |
| 14:50:48 | amiconn | You will hear the radio playing via the amplifier - meaning the Ondio's 'line in' works as a line out for radio... |
| 14:50:52 | mray | so what do i do now? |
| 14:51:10 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I see.... |
| 14:51:24 | markun | mray: they are in the latest cvs build |
| 14:51:43 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Everything's clear to me, now |
| 14:51:45 | mray | the last entry on top you mean? : http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h300 |
| 14:52:01 | markun | mray: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-h300/rockbox.zip |
| 14:52:17 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: But I still think that there should be a "Record" option on Radio context menu on Archos |
| 14:52:42 | Genre9mp3 | ...and of course remove the "Record Screen" option |
| 14:53:49 | mray | ok i upgraded now and restart |
| 14:53:52 | Genre9mp3 | Currently, a user isn't aware of this ability (to Record from Radio) |
| 14:54:35 | mray | can i delete the .HEX file btw? |
| 14:54:47 | markun | sure |
| 14:55:32 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: It should be in the manual... |
| 14:55:45 | pixelma | amiconn: it's not (yet) |
| 14:56:52 | Genre9mp3 | Besides the manual, an option in the context menu would be good to have IMO |
| 14:57:51 | Genre9mp3 | So a user could record by double-pressing mode OR by selecting "Record" from the menu |
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| 15:01:44 | markun | mray: Can you see the games in the plugin list now? |
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| 15:05:14 | mray | yes! ;D |
| 15:05:17 | mray | amazing! |
| 15:05:33 | mray | i'm actually playing doom on my iriver :D thanks! |
| 15:06:24 | markun | :) |
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| 15:39:22 | mray | say, does that rockboy also play "gameboy advance" stuff? |
| 15:40:36 | linuxstb_ | No, just Gameboy and Gameboy Color. |
| 15:41:57 | mray | ok thank you guys - you were really a great help! |
| 15:42:03 | * | mray bows |
| 15:42:14 | * | mray is afk ... |
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| 15:52:24 | theli_ua | can anyone look at this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/U4zc8P70.html |
| 15:52:45 | theli_ua | and help me :) |
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| 15:54:23 | LinusN | theli_ua: so what is the problem? |
| 15:55:26 | theli_ua | i have long (4 BYTES), i need int64 which contains _16bpp_colors [ each byte from that long ] |
| 15:55:35 | theli_ua | and i'm doing something wrong |
| 15:55:40 | LinusN | yes you are |
| 15:55:49 | theli_ua | :) |
| 15:55:56 | theli_ua | what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:56:20 | LinusN | i assume that tmpcol is a 32-bit value? |
| 15:56:56 | theli_ua | yes |
| 15:57:29 | theli_ua | short _16bpp_colors [16] |
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| 16:00:19 | theli_ua | LinusN, so what is wrong? |
| 16:02:38 | amiconn | theli_ua: As long as you don't tell the compiler otherwise, everything (including the constants) is of type 'int' in C |
| 16:03:10 | amiconn | So (tmpcol & <constant>) >> n is still 32bit |
| 16:03:18 | theli_ua | i see |
| 16:03:23 | amiconn | and if you shift it left by more than 31 bits, it will be zero |
| 16:03:29 | theli_ua | thanx |
| 16:03:44 | amiconn | Just using 0xf000LL etc for the constants should be enough |
| 16:03:49 | amiconn | Or e.g. |
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| 16:04:27 | amiconn | explicit cast: (unit64_t)((tmpcol & 0xf000) >> 24) |
| 16:04:30 | LinusN | still, i assume you mean to use 0xff000000 |
| 16:04:40 | amiconn | uint64_t of course |
| 16:04:41 | LinusN | and 0x00ff0000 etc |
| 16:04:47 | amiconn | Yeah, and that |
| 16:04:58 | * | amiconn didn't see that one... |
| 16:05:26 | amiconn | The explicit cast should be better, in that it doesn't waste precision |
| 16:05:44 | amiconn | You need to cast _before_ the left shift |
| 16:05:51 | LinusN | yes |
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| 16:06:11 | godzirra | heya guys. |
| 16:06:29 | LinusN | hey |
| 16:06:46 | godzirra | I was looking for a good quality mp3 player that supports rockbox. Can you guys give any good suggestions? I love my H-120 but its getting old and worn down. |
| 16:07:00 | LinusN | iaudio x5 is a good chioce imho |
| 16:07:05 | LinusN | choice even |
| 16:07:09 | godzirra | why? |
| 16:07:25 | LinusN | it is well supported by rockbox |
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| 16:07:54 | LinusN | has a nice color lcd |
| 16:08:03 | LinusN | good battery life |
| 16:08:33 | godzirra | And I'm guessing it acts as a normal usb hard drive to get music onto it? |
| 16:08:43 | LinusN | yes |
| 16:08:47 | LinusN | same as h120 |
| 16:08:48 | markun | LinusN: IS it a nice screen? |
| 16:08:53 | LinusN | i like it |
| 16:08:58 | LinusN | it' |
| 16:09:08 | LinusN | s not as good as h300 or ipod |
| 16:09:09 | godzirra | Hmm... ok, maybe I'll take a look at that. |
| 16:09:17 | LinusN | the lcd |
| 16:09:19 | godzirra | Eh. Screen is something "neat". |
| 16:09:22 | godzirra | not something I require. |
| 16:09:31 | LinusN | then i think you'll like the x5 |
| 16:09:32 | godzirra | I mean, I require a screen... but I'm not giong to watch movies on a 1.5" lcd :) |
| 16:09:44 | godzirra | whats the cradle for? |
| 16:10:20 | godzirra | Is it a proprietary usb cable? Or standard mini usb? |
| 16:10:29 | godzirra | and does it need the cradle to copy songs? |
| 16:11:49 | LinusN | it has a "subpack" which has the standard USB connector |
| 16:12:08 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 16:12:40 | godzirra | darnit. |
| 16:13:24 | preglow | it needs the subpack to copy songs, obviously |
| 16:13:36 | preglow | since the unit itself only has a custom connector containting lots of stuff |
| 16:13:51 | preglow | so if you know you're gonna copy songs, you need to take that along with you or just keep it connected to the unit |
| 16:13:57 | preglow | i don't think it makes the player much bigger |
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| 16:17:52 | godzirra | Hm. |
| 16:18:30 | godzirra | I hate proprietary connectors :/ |
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| 16:19:57 | vertic23 | hey.. can anybody help me with WPS? |
| 16:20:06 | vertic23 | I don't find any instructions what to do |
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| 16:20:30 | vertic23 | only copy the files into the .rockbox directory? |
| 16:20:44 | vertic23 | the WPS thing into WPS and the .cfg into THEMES? |
| 16:21:56 | bluebrother | usually, yes. |
| 16:22:24 | bluebrother | the bitmaps for the wps go into a subdir of wps/ with the same name as the wps itself (excluding extension) |
| 16:23:15 | vertic23 | hmm where to "enable" it in the menu? |
| 16:23:45 | bluebrother | if you have a cfg in themes/ then use "browse themes" |
| 16:23:54 | bluebrother | otherwise "browse wps files" |
| 16:24:02 | vertic23 | ok |
| 16:24:17 | vertic23 | works |
| 16:24:20 | vertic23 | thx |
| 16:24:43 | vertic23 | but wont fit on the display lol :D |
| 16:24:57 | vertic23 | I need a WideScreen I guess ;D |
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| 16:26:19 | vertic23 | where to put "Fonts"? |
| 16:26:24 | bluebrother | fonts/ |
| 16:26:39 | bluebrother | (/.rockbox/fonts to be exact) |
| 16:26:53 | vertic23 | ...even if it's not there |
| 16:26:55 | vertic23 | yet.. |
| 16:27:04 | bluebrother | it should be there. |
| 16:27:05 | rasher | How come the "Split Filesize" is voiced in "kilobits per second" rather than "megabytes"? |
| 16:27:19 | vertic23 | it's not |
| 16:27:24 | bluebrother | as you most probably wanted to install the fonts package. |
| 16:27:26 | vertic23 | now it is |
| 16:27:38 | vertic23 | nope.. I wanted to install a theme |
| 16:28:05 | vertic23 | ...or I want to install a fonts package? =) |
| 16:28:15 | bluebrother | you usually should install the fonts package as it includes the commonly used fonts. |
| 16:28:22 | vertic23 | is it good? :P)ok |
| 16:28:57 | bluebrother | without the fonts most shipped themes will look broken. |
| 16:29:20 | bluebrother | also, it should have rockbox_default.fnt already installed |
| 16:29:43 | vertic23 | ...but not in "a" fonts dir (in .rockbox) |
| 16:30:10 | bluebrother | the fonts are in /.rockbox/fonts |
| 16:30:18 | vertic23 | ...NOW they are... |
| 16:30:25 | bluebrother | if not, something is wrong ... |
| 16:30:26 | vertic23 | just copied the package there |
| 16:30:38 | vertic23 | before there was no directory ^^ |
| 16:31:08 | bluebrother | you should be able browsing the fonts from the main menu (general settings / display / browse fonts) |
| 16:31:44 | rasher | You can't if there's no font dir though, which there isn't unless you create it |
| 16:31:57 | rasher | (by installing the fonts pack, or manually creating the dir) |
| 16:33:07 | vertic23 | yea, done that =) |
| 16:33:19 | bluebrother | ok, just looked it up. The rockbox_default.fnt is indeed not included in the binary distribution. Thought it is there. |
| 16:33:21 | vertic23 | now got Silk running |
| 16:33:36 | vertic23 | looks nicely =) |
| 16:34:08 | amiconn | bluebrother: It doesn't need to, as long as there are no other fonts installed. rockbox_default is built into the binary (as well) |
| 16:35:06 | vertic23 | ok.. now doing Doom I+II - I can't believe someone made rockbox that easy.. |
| 16:35:14 | bluebrother | ok, thanks for clarifying :) |
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| 16:35:41 | vertic23 | I always though "linux"-like stuff is _always_ very ...ehm complicated =) |
| 16:36:03 | rretzbach | Not always, but most of the time. |
| 16:36:40 | bluebrother | to put a quote in here ... |
| 16:36:48 | bluebrother | "Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with." |
| 16:36:56 | vertic23 | hehehehe |
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| 16:40:51 | * | rasher gets lost in the menu code |
| 16:41:15 | vertic23 | btw is everything casesensitive? e.g. when it says "make a folder called 'games'" - may I also name the folder GAMES? |
| 16:42:16 | rasher | vertic23: FAT is case insensitive, so either should work |
| 16:42:28 | rasher | or GaMeS if you like |
| 16:42:37 | vertic23 | y3a |
| 16:42:50 | vertic23 | but G4M3S won't work, right ;P |
| 16:43:07 | rasher | I wonder how to make recsizesplit use output_dyn_value |
| 16:43:15 | rasher | The answer seems to be "with great difficulty" |
| 16:44:23 | rasher | I'd settle for "TALK_ID(x, UNIT_MB)" voicing as "x megabytes" instead of "x kilobits per second" |
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| 16:46:03 | rasher | This: #define TALK_ID(n,u) (((long)(u))<<UNIT_SHIFT | ((n) & ~(-1L<<UNIT_SHIFT))) is completely lost on me |
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| 16:50:12 | theli_ua | amiconn,LinusN maybe i need a rest but i can't get what is wrong with http://rafb.net/paste/results/XMGurv28.html ... what should i cast? (tmpcol now is uint64) |
| 16:51:31 | amiconn | tmpcol shouldn't be uint64_t |
| 16:51:47 | theli_ua | anyway |
| 16:52:07 | theli_ua | ok.. it is int32 again |
| 16:52:08 | rasher | Who's responsible for the new recording quality settings (on swcodec)? |
| 16:52:25 | rasher | Because that screen is not voiced correctly either |
| 16:52:33 | amiconn | It should work as you wrote it, just some more parentheses would be good in order to clarify what belongs together |
| 16:52:46 | amiconn | I gues you get warnings about suggested parentheses |
| 16:52:54 | rasher | It seems to be caused by people adding to the unit enum in talk.h, and not getting what they want |
| 16:53:01 | rasher | But how that happens, I have no idea |
| 16:53:10 | theli_ua | amiconn, not a single warning |
| 16:55:12 | amiconn | http://rafb.net/paste/results/wwArEp57.html |
| 16:55:38 | theli_ua | amiconn, i've just tried it such way :) |
| 16:56:54 | rasher | jhMikeS: The recording quality screen (swcodec) is not voiced correctly |
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| 16:57:47 | mirak12 | hi |
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| 17:00:37 | amiconn | theli_ua: And the result? It should work this way afaics |
| 17:01:36 | theli_ua | result is bad :( ( bad that is not because of data cause i have nice result when treat thema as short[4] and byte[4]) |
| 17:02:01 | theli_ua | i mean all is fine when i treat that variables as arrays |
| 17:02:17 | theli_ua | hm .... headphone unplug doesn't puse for me on mini :( |
| 17:02:30 | linuxstb | Have you enabled the option? |
| 17:02:32 | rasher | Anyone interested in looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5746 (voice building from tools/configure, and voice scripts for linux)? |
| 17:02:34 | theli_ua | o |
| 17:02:36 | theli_ua | :) |
| 17:02:47 | hcs | my converter is initially working |
| 17:02:52 | theli_ua | linuxstb, i thought it is not optional :) |
| 17:03:05 | rasher | Heavens no, everything is optional |
| 17:03:05 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I would have complained loudly if it wasn't an option :) |
| 17:03:31 | theli_ua | linuxstb, can you say something on that issue i'm struggling with? (i need that for rendering directly into framebuffer in zxbox) |
| 17:04:02 | amiconn | 'bad' isn't really descriptive... |
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| 17:05:37 | theli_ua | amiconn, well i mean that result is not what should be :) ... |
| 17:07:05 | theli_ua | heh.. time for home and beer ... bye everyone |
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| 17:09:04 | rasher | amiconn: do you have any ideas about the TALK_ID weirdness? (recent additions in talk.h aren't working correctly) |
| 17:10:59 | rasher | Not working correctly meaning the wrong unit is being spoken (kilobits per second instead of megabytes and some huge number instead of kilobits per second) |
| 17:15:18 | linuxstb | rasher: Just trying your voice scripts now - I just needed to do "apt-get install festival", then apply your patch, and it seems to be running nicely... |
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| 17:18:30 | rasher | linuxstb: do you have lame installed from an unofficial source? If not, you'll end up with either a speex or vorbis voicefile, which is cool, but useless :) |
| 17:18:50 | rasher | On the other hand, I think I added a check to force lame, but I'm not entirely sure |
| 17:20:01 | rasher | Ah, sortof, it'll exit if lame isn't installed, but you can select the other options |
| 17:23:28 | amiconn | odd... |
| 17:25:24 | vertic23 | dudes.. who do I need to "hug"? |
| 17:25:55 | vertic23 | my X5V is rocking my ass off... it's so fucking cool |
| 17:26:07 | excitatory | could someone give me a rough idea on how much more power is consumed when decoding ogg versus mp3? (i don't necessarily need technical details, just an idea) |
| 17:26:24 | rasher | excitatory: which platform? |
| 17:26:28 | excitatory | nano |
| 17:26:42 | rasher | No idea |
| 17:27:06 | obo | vertic23: run the Credits plugin |
| 17:27:20 | rasher | If people would use my battery stats page, you might be able to find something to compare between |
| 17:27:20 | Life^ | what mods do i need to run iDoom on rockbox? |
| 17:27:32 | excitatory | ok, but from what i understand, ogg decoding is more processor intensive and thus consumes more power, correct? |
| 17:27:37 | obo | excitatory: ogg uses less power on a nano, but I don't know how much |
| 17:27:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Life^: iDoom is for iPod Linux. It's not exactly something you can run on Rockbox. |
| 17:27:59 | excitatory | ahh.. interesting.. |
| 17:28:10 | rasher | excitatory: that's true on Coldfire (Iriver, Iaudio) but apparently not on ipod |
| 17:28:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: I think they're about the same these days. |
| 17:28:24 | obo | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, okay, I thought ogg still had the edge |
| 17:28:27 | rasher | People should upload their battery benchmarks to my battery stats page, dammit! |
| 17:28:32 | Life^ | can rockbox play any 3d games like that? |
| 17:28:50 | rasher | Life^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 17:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: I don't think anyone knows exactly at this point, but MP3 has received more speedups on ARM than Ogg has. |
| 17:29:12 | excitatory | does that have anything to do with the multiple cores..or is that not completely implemented yet? last i checked, dan_a was making some nice progress.. |
| 17:29:24 | rasher | excitatory: only one core is used atm |
| 17:30:02 | excitatory | well, right on.. thank you all for your help :D |
| 17:30:06 | amiconn | rasher: Why yet another battery stats page? |
| 17:30:31 | rasher | amiconn: mine creates graphs! |
| 17:31:10 | rasher | although for what excitatory was asking, the current one is fine |
| 17:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm always amazed people run battery benchmarks with things like... 15 second caption backlights. |
| 17:31:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems like that would make a marked difference. |
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| 17:32:06 | rasher | Battery benchmarks should be run with settings reset to be meaningful |
| 17:32:58 | rasher | Unless of course you're testing the effect of a particular setting |
| 17:33:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 17:33:34 | goffa_ | anyone know what mgetty does? (linux in general)... |
| 17:33:47 | goffa_ | got a server that won't boot says /sbin/mgetty failed |
| 17:33:54 | goffa_ | init timed out waiting 5 mins |
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| 17:35:15 | bluebrother | goffa_, it's responsible to give you access to the text console |
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| 17:36:17 | goffa_ | ugh |
| 17:36:17 | bluebrother | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty (not much info though) |
| 17:36:33 | rasher | The program 'mgetty' allows you to use a modem for handling external |
| 17:36:33 | rasher | logins, receiving faxes and using the modem as a answering machine without |
| 17:36:33 | rasher | interfering with outgoing calls. |
| 17:36:37 | goffa_ | lol.. any idea how to repair it? |
| 17:36:51 | bluebrother | iirc mgetty is a variant that also allows connecting from serial ports |
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| 17:37:28 | goffa_ | we did manage to get into recovery console |
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| 17:37:39 | bluebrother | boot from a rescue cd and replace the package that contains getty |
| 17:37:49 | bluebrother | at least that is what I would try |
| 17:37:51 | goffa_ | ok |
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| 17:45:27 | godzirra | Is the toshiba gigabeat anygood? rockbox compatible? |
| 17:45:41 | nurunet | Hi there! I would like to contribute an FM preset file but do not want to sign up at the wiki for that. Is there another way? |
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| 17:48:25 | linuxstb | godzirra: Some people are currently working on porting Rockbox to the gigabeat, but it's not running on it yet. markun is the person to ask about it. |
| 17:49:50 | goffa_ | godzirra: there's a #gigabeat channel if you want to monitor progress godzirra |
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| 17:52:09 | nurunet | Yet another question: Is there a download page for equalizer presets (Rock, Pop, Classic...)? I can't find one, but my internet is just too damn slow. |
| 17:53:04 | bluebrother | nurunet, no. Most people don't consider sharing eq presets useful as they heavily depend on your phones |
| 17:53:59 | nurunet | Ok. Just thought I could save some time. Lazy me. |
| 17:54:04 | bluebrother | and are intended to equalize deficits in your hardware. But there was a forum discussion about presets, I guess some people posted there presets there |
| 17:55:45 | godzirra | thakns guys. |
| 17:56:35 | godzirra | Anyone know anything about it as a player? |
| 17:56:37 | godzirra | in general? |
| 17:57:27 | rasher | godzirra: try asking markun, he's one of the few people here with a gigabeat |
| 17:57:33 | rasher | or ask in #gigabeat |
| 17:59:02 | godzirra | I'm just trying to find a good player and I'm nto sure exactly what to get. |
| 17:59:10 | godzirra | I love my H-120 but its getting old and outdated and warn out. |
| 17:59:24 | rasher | Depends on what you want, unsurprisingly |
| 17:59:41 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if markun has actually used the gigabeat as a player yet though - he runs BSD, and afaik, the Gigabeat requires MTP to transfer files... |
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| 18:00:07 | rasher | aren't there free implementations of mtp? |
| 18:00:08 | linuxstb | i.e. it's not "drag and drop" with the original firmware. |
| 18:00:17 | linuxstb | rasher: Maybe, I've no idea... |
| 18:00:41 | markun | linuxstb: I submitted a patch to gphoto to include support for the gigabeat :) |
| 18:01:03 | linuxstb | So you've managed to transfer music to it now then? |
| 18:01:03 | markun | which is in the latest version |
| 18:01:05 | markun | yes |
| 18:01:21 | godzirra | rasher: I really want drag and drop via USB and mp3 playing. Thats really it. |
| 18:01:25 | markun | But right now I don't have the OF on it anymore, just the rockbox test apps |
| 18:01:28 | godzirra | An LCD screen is nice, but not horribly important. |
| 18:01:52 | markun | godzirra: the gigabeat is drag and drop with rockbox |
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| 18:01:56 | linuxstb | How much disk space do you want? |
| 18:02:09 | godzirra | 20gigs at least. |
| 18:02:19 | godzirra | Mine now is 20 gigs and while i'm out of space on it, I dont really need more. |
| 18:02:42 | rasher | How about the Iaudio X5? |
| 18:03:14 | godzirra | Thats one of the ones I was looking at. It seems like a nice player, I just hate cradles, and I can't find one locally :/ |
| 18:03:37 | godzirra | I hate buying electronics online because I like being able to return them easily if there's something wrong. |
| 18:04:00 | linuxstb | Which just leaves you with the ipods then... |
| 18:04:09 | godzirra | Yeah.... no. |
| 18:04:12 | linuxstb | Nothing else supported by Rockbox is easily available. |
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| 18:04:37 | linuxstb | (i.e. offline) |
| 18:04:58 | Xerion | no wonder compiling in cygwin is so slow, it's only using like 5% of cpu :p |
| 18:05:00 | godzirra | i'm still looking at x5 so far. |
| 18:05:45 | godzirra | Huh. I wonder what the difference is between the i10 and i120 |
| 18:05:56 | rasher | Iriver? |
| 18:06:02 | rasher | The H10 is portalplayer based |
| 18:06:04 | linuxstb | You mean the h10 and h120? |
| 18:06:14 | godzirra | err. yes. |
| 18:06:23 | rasher | Which means it's more or less similar to ipods in terms of rockbox support |
| 18:06:26 | godzirra | Yeah, I have an h120 now and it does everything I want. |
| 18:06:33 | rasher | so why switch? |
| 18:06:46 | godzirra | Because its getting old and its starting to have problems sometimes. |
| 18:06:52 | godzirra | I think it may be the hard drive going bad. I'm really not sure. |
| 18:07:03 | linuxstb | If I could only keep one of my DAPs, it would be the H140... |
| 18:07:33 | godzirra | So H10 and H120 are based on different hardware? (i.e. portalplayer for H10 and something else for H120?) |
| 18:07:40 | linuxstb | You could always buy a new 30GB hard drive for your h120. |
| 18:07:42 | hcs | I had a creative jukebox once, took the hard drive out to put in a laptop, something like 15% of the sectors were bad |
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| 18:07:52 | jhMikeS | <rasher> jhMikeS: The recording quality screen (swcodec) is not voiced correctly |
| 18:07:58 | godzirra | linuxstb: what kind of hard drive does it take? |
| 18:08:04 | Xerion | aren't even 40 GB single platters out now that might fit? |
| 18:08:16 | jhMikeS | I'm aware of this. It says a bunch of numbers instead of units. |
| 18:08:26 | Xerion | not that you can get them anywhere ;) |
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| 18:08:43 | linuxstb | godzirra: I'm not sure of the exact details - but they're made by Toshiba and are 1.8" single-platter drives. |
| 18:09:04 | * | jhMikeS has to call the MRI lab...brb |
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| 18:09:26 | linuxstb | godzirra: I expect the forums at misticriver will have lots of threads about replacing the hard drive. |
| 18:09:50 | godzirra | ok, i'll c heck it out. |
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| 18:11:26 | rasher | jhMikeS: the same thing was happening with the "split filesize" menu before your addition in talk.h, now it says "kilobits per second" |
| 18:11:47 | rasher | jhMikeS: see FS #5773 |
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| 18:12:54 | godzirra | I wish I could find a case for my H120 without having to pay for it from the UK :/ |
| 18:13:10 | Svjat | Privet! I would like to have write permission for the wiki for user SvyatoslavMirkov. |
| 18:14:51 | rasher | Svjat: are you a spammer? |
| 18:15:21 | Svjat | I would not say so. How do I find out? |
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| 18:15:29 | rasher | Svjat: You're added :-) |
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| 18:16:16 | Svjat | Thanx. |
| 18:16:54 | jhMikeS | rasher: split filesize says kb/s?!?! ok...better take a closer look |
| 18:17:17 | rasher | jhMikeS: Yeah, and before you added UNIT_KBIT, it said all the crazy numbers |
| 18:17:43 | rasher | So I believe both you and Mmmm did something wrong (or missed doing something) when adding to the enum |
| 18:18:05 | rasher | What it was, I have no idea, talk.[ch] seems like black magic to my untrained brain |
| 18:18:22 | jhMikeS | rasher: could be bit allocation for the talk ids hmmm |
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| 18:21:35 | newnick | hello? |
| 18:22:15 | newnick | im going to delete this domain |
| 18:22:18 | newnick | freenode |
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| 18:22:49 | jhMikeS | we have a new codec for adx? |
| 18:22:53 | rasher | That was.. special. |
| 18:22:58 | rasher | jhMikeS: Yup |
| 18:24:08 | rasher | come to think of it, my AAC test file won't play.. Simply says "no file", are there still m4a/metadata problems? |
| 18:24:15 | jhMikeS | hmmm...got a some conflicts merging my recording changes with CVS...no biggie |
| 18:24:42 | rasher | Anyway, I'm off. Good luck with the voice issue |
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| 18:24:57 | Svjat | So. I uploaded an FM preset for Krasnoyarsk/Siberia to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsEurope and added an entry to the list (Russia). Actually it is Asia, but I guess it is easier to have all of Russia at one place. My modem connection is very slow, so I can not update the Russia/Europe/All preset collections. I hope, that I did not make any grave mistakes. Cheers. |
| 18:26:20 | jhMikeS | I feel like I'm falling behind here and must hurry up. this stuff's taking forever! ahh |
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| 18:36:09 | mirak | hi |
| 18:39:33 | markun | hi there mirak |
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| 18:43:12 | excitatory | does rockbox support wavpack? |
| 18:43:17 | markun | yes |
| 18:43:37 | excitatory | ok, cool |
| 18:43:55 | Slasheri | for decoding and encoding |
| 18:43:59 | markun | excitatory: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
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| 18:51:42 | jhMikeS | That wavpack encoder will get a better going over so the ui is more responsive when using it. |
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| 18:59:29 | mirak | libmpeg2 code is really a bunch of uncommented crap |
| 18:59:51 | mirak | stockpile/bunch |
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| 19:00:48 | markun | ;) |
| 19:00:56 | markun | ffmmeg is better? |
| 19:01:14 | markun | ffmpeg even |
| 19:01:32 | * | jhMikeS wonders if people think he's in essence promising pictures of bigfoot ) |
| 19:02:30 | mirak | markun: at least there are some comments |
| 19:02:33 | jhMikeS | mirak: not talking about you! :) Just venting my frustration here concerning my own update. |
| 19:02:50 | mirak | jhMikeS: update of what ? |
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| 19:02:54 | jhMikeS | recording |
| 19:03:02 | mirak | what feature ? |
| 19:04:17 | jhMikeS | lazy file writing (as I call it), full sample rate control, no more "quality" selection but rather "format" selection. Separate config screens for each format accessed through "encoder settings", etc. etc. |
| 19:04:59 | jhMikeS | You can set it so new files are started but not on disk...splits will be instant with no spinup |
| 19:05:32 | mirak | could be nice to record mono source in mono. or maybe wab specification doesn't allow that. jhMikes interesting |
| 19:05:33 | jhMikeS | Which is really good for internal mic users where the drive noise gets in |
| 19:06:02 | jhMikeS | mirak: nothing prevents that...you have a choice really. |
| 19:06:16 | mirak | from line in ? |
| 19:06:30 | jhMikeS | you can select mono for anything at all |
| 19:07:11 | mirak | found it |
| 19:07:24 | jhMikeS | the codec downmixes the samples to mono since the mcf always gives stereo anyway |
| 19:08:53 | mirak | is the recording optimal in level just at the limit of reaching clipping or is it better a bit above ? |
| 19:09:25 | jhMikeS | mirak: You should want it as loud as possible without clipping it or just let it clip if you don't care :) |
| 19:09:47 | mirak | clipping is horrible |
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| 19:10:37 | jhMikeS | hard limiting and compression would be nice to have esp for mic. |
| 19:11:12 | jhMikeS | guess those are similar enough |
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| 19:22:20 | Xerion | wtf my radio is endlessly seeking :p |
| 19:23:03 | Xerion | hmm either it managed to actually find some signal here or i did the right keycombo to stop it :p |
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| 19:36:06 | mirak | hum, is there some special lib for assert in normal C code ? |
| 19:36:13 | mirak | some gcc option maybe ? |
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| 19:36:28 | ttl- | greetings |
| 19:37:51 | ttl- | i have a question, i have a Iriver H320 and want to install rockbox but how do i patch the 1.30EU firmware i have downloaded under linux ? |
| 19:40:45 | bluebrother | ttl-, you can run fwpatcher using wine |
| 19:41:35 | ttl- | i thought so but wanted to ask here first |
| 19:41:42 | ttl- | thanks |
| 19:45:19 | vertic23 | what's the best "time" to charge the battery? |
| 19:46:02 | vertic23 | is it best to wait until the player won't start anymore? or is it ok if the battery is low.. but not really empty |
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| 19:50:13 | tucoz | vertic23: without me being a battery expert, but i think li-pol batteries does not like being drained completly |
| 19:50:26 | vertic23 | ok |
| 19:51:14 | tucoz | I think that if you charge it in general when it's 50% or so will keep it good |
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| 19:56:06 | mirak | # include <assert.h> is declared in common.h and #include "common.h" is in the c file where there is errors |
| 19:56:12 | mirak | but I still have errors on asserts |
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| 20:24:51 | KlrSpz | Do you guys have any good threads/wikis to read? I'll be more than happy to read up and work on it, but right now it's been so long since i have messed with X i don't even know where to start −− i want to eventually mess with the compiz/aiglx stuff |
| 20:26:24 | Kohlrabi | Ribsy? |
| 20:27:53 | KlrSpz | shit |
| 20:27:55 | KlrSpz | wrong room |
| 20:33:45 | nls | Yay, ubuntu cds :) so does sim and target compiles work on 64 bit now? |
| 20:40:27 | * | amiconn even runs a build server on amd64 :) |
| 20:40:44 | amiconn | I had no luck at all with ubuntu back then |
| 20:40:51 | amiconn | ...so I am running debian |
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| 20:43:53 | nls | I'll go 64 then :) |
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| 20:46:23 | amiconn | There are 2 problems on amd64. (1) m68k-elf-gcc either requires patching (for the recommended gcc 3.4.6 anyway), or the latest cvs gcc |
| 20:47:07 | amiconn | (2) libmad compiles fine for the sims, but crashes. So you cannot play mp1/mp2/mp3 in the sim. All other codecs work |
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| 20:53:36 | nls | should be fine then. Are there any major issues with latest cvs gcc |
| 20:54:08 | mirak | amiconn: using amd64 is really searching problems |
| 20:54:22 | mirak | at least have some happens :p |
| 20:54:25 | amigan | I was just going to ask about m68k-elf gcc on amd64. |
| 20:55:00 | amigan | I just build svn last night and it indeed works on amd64, but rockbox doesn't compile without hacking the makefile, inducing changes that I think won't work anyway (right now my binutils 2.17 is having trouble assembling the rockbox crt0.S) |
| 20:55:18 | mirak | I am not even able to use ffmpeg apiexemple |
| 20:55:23 | amiconn | mirak: Apart from the mentioned ones (and the lack of an official openoffice package) I don't have any problems... |
| 20:55:27 | amigan | So I'm building a 32bit version of gcc 3.4.6 and friends on an i386 machine I have and copying it over (running FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE) |
| 20:55:51 | mirak | amiconn: are there 32 bits libs on 64 bits ? |
| 20:55:58 | amiconn | amigan: You can build m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.6 on amd64, with a patch |
| 20:56:06 | mirak | that was the main issue backthen |
| 20:56:11 | amigan | amiconn, ah. I searched a bit and didn't find such a patch, besides what's in svn |
| 20:56:39 | amiconn | mirak: You can install some 32bit libs (or even a 32bit chroot environment), but I don't see the necessity |
| 20:56:55 | amiconn | I have a 64bit CPU, so I want to run a pure 64bit distro |
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| 20:57:05 | amigan | For the record, does anyone else have problems building rockbox with HEAD gcc? |
| 20:57:09 | amigan | (I'm curious) |
| 20:57:23 | amiconn | amigan: Perhaps ask preglow when he's around |
| 20:57:28 | amiconn | Afaik he tried |
| 20:57:30 | amigan | Ah |
| 20:58:12 | amigan | See, if I remove the -Wa,-m5249 it builds but I think this is bad. |
| 20:58:24 | amigan | (plus it barfs on aforementioned crt assembler source anyway) |
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| 21:02:47 | amigan | amiconn, would you happen to know where that patch is to allow m68k to build on amd64? |
| 21:03:22 | excitatory | heh, both apple products :D :: http://unchristened.frogorbits.com/1-and-4096-MB.jpeg |
| 21:04:46 | mirak | #ifdef HAVE_AV_CONFIG_H there is this define. what must I do to have configuration elements ? |
| 21:05:02 | mirak | should I run a configure and set manually the settings ? |
| 21:06:28 | amiconn | amigan: Umm, I thought it would be attached to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler ... but it isn't |
| 21:06:41 | amigan | Yeah |
| 21:06:42 | amiconn | I should still have it laying around... |
| 21:07:31 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 21:07:37 | amiconn | I'll attach it... |
| 21:07:42 | amigan | Ok, thanks |
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| 21:13:55 | linuxstb | Anyone know Mikachu's real name? |
| 21:14:29 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 21:14:50 | linuxstb | :) |
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| 21:26:58 | * | linuxstb curses CVS and apologies for the upcoming red builds - the fix has already been committed... |
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| 21:33:44 | webguest02 | Hello! |
| 21:33:58 | webguest02 | Anyone knows Rockbox on an Apple iPod mini 1G? |
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| 21:50:14 | woodensoul | Hey guys, I'm modifying a WPS to my liking and wanted to know of there is a tag for album or track ReplayGain info. |
| 21:53:42 | * | linuxstb_ investigates the red builds... |
| 21:56:26 | woodensoul | If there is, there doesn't appear to be anything in the documentation about it. |
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| 21:58:33 | nls | woodensoul, You are right it seems to be missing from documentation but is indeed there the tag is called rg and it seems to return a number based on the replaygain setting and not if the file has the tag... |
| 21:59:36 | woodensoul | I wanted the album gain specifically. |
| 21:59:51 | nls | or if that's what you wanted great! :) looking at the code I *think* itt will be 1 for disabled and 2 and 3 for track and album (not sure of the order) |
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| 21:59:55 | woodensoul | I saw on the mistic river site that on a non-official build &ra is for album gain. |
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| 22:00:36 | woodensoul | I meant %ra |
| 22:01:22 | nls | I'm now pretty sure it's 1=off 2=track 3=album 4=track shuffle |
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| 22:02:19 | woodensoul | So there is no way to display track gain and album gain simultaneously on a WPS? |
| 22:02:27 | nls | Replay gain %?rg<off|track|album|shuffle> |
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| 22:03:06 | nls | woodensoul, it displays the *setting* not the value. |
| 22:03:07 | woodensoul | I'm not interested is displaying the setting. I wanted to display the actual value of the album or track gain in dB. |
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| 22:03:41 | woodensoul | So displaying the value is impossible? |
| 22:03:45 | nls | there's no such tag in cvs afaik |
| 22:03:47 | mirak | linuxstb: hum i managed to build the mpeg2 decodeur exemple in apiexemple.c, so know the hardest will be to integrate to rockbox |
| 22:03:51 | woodensoul | *in the official build* |
| 22:04:20 | mirak | so I think it's in fact not that hard at least to extract a codec. for now ... |
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| 22:09:42 | linuxstb_ | mirak: How much of ffmpeg did you need to keep? |
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| 22:12:26 | mirak | you can choose which codec to keep in config.h, so I kept most of libavutil and some other direct dependencies relative to includes in libavcodec. |
| 22:12:37 | mirak | does gcc build the unused fonctions ? |
| 22:13:23 | linuxstb_ | Yes - if they are in the same .c file. |
| 22:13:41 | linuxstb_ | The linker won't include any completely unused .o files. |
| 22:13:57 | Moos | is there any X5 user here ? |
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| 22:14:57 | * | Moos just tried zxbox emulator on X5, but didn't find the keymapping |
| 22:15:02 | woodensoul | Would anyone else be interested to have replaygain track and album values be available for WPS display? |
| 22:15:04 | linuxstb_ | woodensoul: You should submit a feature request for it (unless there is already one, or a patch to implement it...) |
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| 22:16:47 | Moos | there was patch for it IIRC |
| 22:18:43 | woodensoul | why wouldn't it be in CVS then? |
| 22:18:48 | mirak | linuxstb: hum I don't have an executable file at the end |
| 22:19:14 | linuxstb_ | Moos: Can you find the patch? |
| 22:19:54 | Moos | you didn't find it? |
| 22:20:46 | mirak | I have a .o file for the file I want as binary |
| 22:20:47 | linuxstb_ | woodensoul: There are many reasons patches are not in CVS - e.g. they are out of date, or written in the wrong way, or don't compile on all targets, or simply that no-one with CVS access has looked at it. |
| 22:20:49 | woodensoul | I submitted a feature request. |
| 22:21:21 | linuxstb_ | Moos: A search for replaygain on flyspray didn't find it. |
| 22:21:30 | Moos | maybe it was commited? |
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| 22:21:40 | Moos | I'm searching |
| 22:22:04 | Moos | I'm 100% sure there was one patch for it |
| 22:22:40 | obo | A commit on the 2nd of August added the Replaygain settings... |
| 22:23:14 | obo | "Bits and bobs from patches 2740, 2684 and 2680" |
| 22:23:16 | Moos | we are speaking just about his WPS representation |
| 22:23:30 | obo | yes |
| 22:23:53 | mirak | linuxstb_: I think it's not finished |
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| 22:24:04 | Moos | obo: have you got CVS log ? |
| 22:24:10 | woodensoul | I tried the %ra for album gain, and it didn't work so we know it's not that. |
| 22:24:31 | obo | Moos: "WPS tags: Crossfade %?xf<off|shuffle|skip|always>, Replay gain %?rg<off|track|album|shuffle>, Crossfeed %xd<off|on>. Bits and bobs from patches 2740, 2684 and 2680 by Myself, Stephan Wezel and Robert Kukla." |
| 22:24:39 | linuxstb_ | Seems there is a patch for the replaygain track/album gain values here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2740 - that task also had another patch, which was committed and the task incorrectly closed... |
| 22:25:10 | mirak | I don't know how to make the linking happen |
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| 22:25:16 | woodensoul | Could someone commit the rest of the task? |
| 22:26:04 | Moos | oh ok :/ |
| 22:26:14 | linuxstb_ | mirak: You need a main() function in one of your object files. |
| 22:26:30 | mirak | there is one |
| 22:26:48 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, you noticed there are still red builds? |
| 22:27:47 | mirak | it's ok, I just put the name without .o |
| 22:28:17 | woodensoul | Thanks for the help linuxstb_. I'll be back in a few... |
| 22:29:38 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Thanks for the heads-up. Strangely it compiles for me locally... |
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| 22:34:38 | linuxstb_ | Can someone convince me I'm not mad and try to compile the ipod color sim from current CVS? |
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| 22:35:20 | linuxstb_ | It compiles fine for me, but the build table gave red... |
| 22:36:09 | * | bluebrother starts building |
| 22:37:57 | obo | as long as I've built the right target (20), it builds fine |
| 22:39:25 | linuxstb | Thanks. Looks like a quirk in the build system then... |
| 22:39:59 | Moos | that was the same for the X5 build yesterday night |
| 22:40:02 | mirak | apiexample.c:(.text+0xef): undefined reference to `avcodec_find_decoder' I don't get why the api can't be reached by the main file |
| 22:40:09 | bluebrother | strange. Builds fine for me too. |
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| 22:40:39 | bluebrother | maybe it's related to the compiler version? I'm on 4.1.1 |
| 22:40:49 | linuxstb | Odd that it was two different build servers that gave red. |
| 22:41:29 | linuxstb | My native gcc is 4.0.4 - the build servers were using 4.1.2 and 3.4.4 |
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| 22:41:55 | obo | linuxstb: I've just checked on my build server - the app/plugins/rockboy/sys_rockbox.c file DOESN'T have the latest update |
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| 22:43:47 | linuxstb | obo: I've just checked mine - I don't either. |
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| 22:46:43 | vertic23 | does anybody know how to cheat in DOOM I+II? |
| 22:48:30 | Xerion | use google ffs :p |
| 22:49:18 | amiconn | mirak: The X5 problem last night was a different thing. |
| 22:49:35 | mirak | linuxstb: if this works it might be easy to implement other video codecs. |
| 22:49:36 | amiconn | m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 has a bug that's fixed in 3.4.5 and higher |
| 22:49:49 | mirak | amiconn: what problem ? |
| 22:50:08 | * | jhMikeS wishes people wouldn't invest time tweaking the recording statusbar icons atm...the way it's done is gonna change. :) |
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| 22:50:54 | linuxstb | mirak: I'm not convinced ffmpeg will work well in Rockbox - too big and too reliant on malloc. |
| 22:52:35 | amiconn | mirak: The build error you were referring to |
| 22:52:51 | mirak | linuxstb: should I abandon ? |
| 22:52:52 | Moos | that was me ami |
| 22:52:53 | mirak | :D |
| 22:52:56 | Moos | sorry |
| 22:53:00 | amiconn | Oh, sorry |
| 22:53:39 | Moos | what was the problem yesterday? |
| 22:53:52 | amiconn | [22:49:36] <amiconn> m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 has a bug that's fixed in 3.4.5 and higher |
| 22:54:02 | Moos | oh ok |
| 22:54:06 | amiconn | One build server still had m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 installed |
| 22:54:14 | linuxstb | mirak: No :) I'm not saying don't try, just that I don't think you should expect miracles. |
| 22:54:34 | Moos | amiconn: do you know the server of who? |
| 22:55:01 | amiconn | The machine which also runs the website. It's fixed now |
| 22:55:09 | Moos | ok |
| 22:55:45 | Moos | lot of builds server problems those days or what? |
| 22:55:48 | mirak | hum ok, I must remove the defines for the codecs and not just set them to 0 |
| 22:55:48 | vertic23 | Xerion: yea - I know all those old cheatcodes - like IDDQD ...and so on - but.. hmm I don't have a keyboard :D |
| 22:56:09 | obo | linuxstb: looks like my build server has that commit now |
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| 22:58:31 | jhMikeS | What's these funny errors in tns.c for the x5? More probs from old compilers? |
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| 22:59:22 | woodensoul | Have you guys noticed the bug that only plays the first track from a playlist, then playback stops after the first track is finished? |
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| 23:00:10 | Moos | which build do you using? |
| 23:00:35 | woodensoul | CVS from yesterday I think |
| 23:01:13 | Moos | upgrade and retry then |
| 23:01:15 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Yes - you need 3.4.5 or later. |
| 23:01:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Were you sleeping? ;) |
| 23:01:26 | amiconn | [22:53:52] <amiconn> [22:49:36] <amiconn> m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 has a bug that's fixed in 3.4.5 and higher |
| 23:01:32 | amiconn | [22:54:06] <amiconn> One build server still had m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 installed |
| 23:01:42 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: it's on the build server not for me. I have 3.4.6 |
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| 23:02:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: sometimes...I sleep whilst awake...it happens! :) |
| 23:02:21 | obo | 127.0.0.1 is now saying it's using 3.4.1? |
| 23:03:33 | Bagder | it has done that for a long time iirc |
| 23:04:57 | jhMikeS | make them upgrade or cut them out of the loop! |
| 23:05:19 | amiconn | Am I the only one for whom www.rockbox.org is dead slow? |
| 23:06:02 | jhMikeS | It's ok here |
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| 23:06:36 | amiconn | Bagder: Uh? Linus said he upgraded m68k-elf-gcc... |
| 23:07:00 | Bagder | on that server? |
| 23:07:02 | * | jhMikeS notices that the build server is a far faster way to test if something compiles for every build than doing it yourself :P |
| 23:07:22 | mirak | linuxstb: a part of the interface can be removed |
| 23:07:34 | mirak | if not all. there a weird depencies to PCM codecs |
| 23:09:41 | amiconn | Hmm, seems I remembered _slighly_ wrong |
| 23:09:55 | amiconn | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060925.txt starting 15:04 |
| 23:10:37 | Bagder | aha |
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| 23:12:06 | jhMikeS | is that build server abuse? ^^ |
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| 23:12:37 | LinusN | Bagder: your rockboxdev.sh script has a slight flaw |
| 23:12:43 | Bagder | noooo |
| 23:12:45 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:13:06 | LinusN | it uses binutils 2.16.1 with gcc 3.4.6 |
| 23:13:31 | LinusN | and that combination fails when building gcc |
| 23:13:38 | amiconn | What's the problem with that? |
| 23:13:38 | LinusN | for m68k |
| 23:13:46 | Bagder | it didn't fail for me afaicr |
| 23:13:47 | amiconn | I am using the exact same combination... |
| 23:13:50 | obo | worked for me last night |
| 23:13:56 | LinusN | how strange |
| 23:14:04 | amiconn | (but manually, without rockboxdev.sh) |
| 23:14:18 | LinusN | hmm, i must have done something really silly then |
| 23:14:20 | obo | the end path was different from the last time I had run it |
| 23:14:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: H300 Sim still red... |
| 23:14:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: fixing now :) |
| 23:15:30 | obo | Bagder: could you make the rockboxdev.sh script die if it can't create the install folder, rather than printing a warning? |
| 23:16:04 | Bagder | yeah, I'll do that |
| 23:16:23 | obo | thanks |
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| 23:17:28 | Bagder | done |
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| 23:19:08 | amiconn | Do we have a vanishing build server problem? |
| 23:20:07 | LinusN | amiconn: huh? |
| 23:21:27 | amiconn | Only 9 active build servers in the last round... |
| 23:21:35 | LinusN | ah |
| 23:21:48 | LinusN | well, my server is running windows at the moment |
| 23:22:53 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 23:26:46 | jhMikeS | errors cleared |
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| 23:39:32 | stanelie | Hello. I would like to have wiki write access to make a small update to the cygwin page... |
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| 23:41:58 | scorche | stanelie: what is your wiki name? |
| 23:42:03 | obo | stanelie: done |
| 23:42:15 | scorche | nvm.. |
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| 23:44:45 | stanelie | Thanks! |
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| 23:49:49 | XavierGr | strnage topic! |
| 23:49:56 | XavierGr | strange too |
| 23:50:28 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Almost half a month old though.. :P |
| 23:50:31 | XavierGr | the sad part is that I realize it now |
| 23:50:35 | XavierGr | exactly |
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