#rockbox 2006-10-02

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#rockbox log for 2006-10-02

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01:23:45	Davide-NYC	I want ot post an anti-gaming on DAPs rant on the forums, but there is no "Flame On!" section. Where can I find a soapbox to shout from?
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01:25:42	*	box points to Soap
01:25:54	blahhh	playing games on daps is just a gimmick really
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01:29:42	Davide-NYC	Where would it go?
01:29:50	Davide-NYC	General Discussion?
01:29:53	Davide-NYC	(nah)
01:30:17	Davide-NYC	Plugins/Viewers?
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01:32:27	lamed	davide-nyc : what player?
01:32:50	Davide-NYC	are you asking me what target I own?
01:32:53	Davide-NYC	H1x0
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01:34:01	lamed	then misticriver is the place. that's where normally stupid things go
01:34:43	scorche	ouch..
01:38:10	Davide-NYC	come on you can't tell me doom is playable even on a 5G iPod
01:38:57	markun	Davide-NYC: I like sudoku on my h120
01:39:17	linuxstb	Davide-NYC: Doom is an exception, but all the other games are very playable.
01:39:59	linuxstb	Game developers are not suddenly going to stop developing games and work on the WMA decoder...
01:40:06	Davide-NYC	I understand that. It's a rant. It's an opinion rant. I've been feeling this way for months. I want to get it out and be done with it. If it must be on MR.com that's where it'll be.
01:40:22	Davide-NYC	rant mode off.
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01:40:40	blahhh	if people want to play games they should really go get a psp / ds
01:40:48	blahhh	they're far better
01:41:02	linuxstb	Why is Sudoku better on a PSP?
01:41:39	blahhh	i guess you could play that on a dap if you really wanted to
01:42:53	linuxstb	Thankyou.
01:43:06	blahhh	i personally don't see the point though
01:43:16	blahhh	it'd interest me for maybe a couple of days, then it wouldn't get used again
01:43:40	blahhh	but i don't have much of an interest in casual games i guess
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01:48:55	TheDH	hello
01:49:15	TheDH	what makes the ipod battery life not as good as the apple firmware, is it a processor issue/
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01:50:22	hcs	linuxstb: something worth noting, I think: without HAS_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ playback will stutter when scrolling continuously, with it playback is steady by scrolling gets all choppy
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01:50:42	hcs	by stutter I mean more like "stop"
01:51:02	lamed	when I didn't had then, i thought they'll be a great time killers, but then when I had them. they where not that great... anyhow, my real plan was making a special remote that will give you all the missing directions and actions while using rockboy, that's very possible and I have already modified the button driver to be fit for that, but now my h dies and I'm still trying to replace it with something... It might
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01:51:43	lamed	nonetheless, eventually, it will kick ass.
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01:52:38	lamed	and then you wouldn't be complaining about badass games.
01:52:42	lamed	untill then
01:52:49	lamed	g'nite
01:52:55	blahhh	nn
01:53:20	lamed	happy fast for all the jews
01:53:28	TheDH	lol
01:53:29	TheDH	i didn
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01:54:02	Joely	oh my....this sansa is sooo beautiful naked ;)
01:54:09	TheDH	haha
01:54:14	TheDH	what size did you get
01:54:29	Joely	heh, 2 gig
01:54:29	Joely	haha
01:54:38	TheDH	o
01:54:39	TheDH	heh
01:54:42	Joely	my mom wouldn't let me get any higher if i was taking it apart
01:54:48	TheDH	taking it apart?
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01:54:59	Joely	yeah yeah! for jtag connector
01:55:20	TheDH	lolo
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01:55:21	TheDH	lol
01:55:24	TheDH	nice
01:55:28	TheDH	dont break it
01:55:31	TheDH	:-D
01:55:31	Joely	i now need to find a 7 pin header....because i don't want to mess up this little board
01:55:32	linuxstb	hcs: That doesn't make any sense... Sounds like something odd in the new scheduler.
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01:55:50	Joely	TheDH, haha yeah...really eeeek
01:55:58	TheDH	joeborn are you from chicago
01:56:28	Joely	omg just like me!
01:56:32	Joely	same dsl
01:56:32	Joely	haha
01:56:39	TheDH	your from chicago too?
01:56:48	Joely	yup
01:56:51	TheDH	hah
01:56:52	TheDH	same
01:56:52	hcs	linuxstb: I know, it sounds backwards, but that's what I experience
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02:00:10	hcs	linuxstb: have we tried leaving the #define in but handicapping set_cpu_frequency, to see if some other effect of HAS_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ might be the problem?
02:02:19	linuxstb	No, but that's worth trying.
02:02:27	hcs	I'm on it
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02:02:48	hcs	I'm forcing ipod_set_cpu_frequency at the beginning, though
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02:06:13	Joely	poke Mr Bagder ?? (or anyone else..) has anyone figured out the pinout of the 7 pin JTAG for the sansa e200? i'm ready to make a jtag wiggler! hehe, i've got my gschem and my catalog from newark in one!
02:06:56	linuxstb	It's 2am in Sweden - I doubt Bagder is here...
02:07:01	Joely	ohhh
02:07:54	hcs	linuxstb: is there a particular codec/wps/etc. that you use to encourage fast crashing?
02:08:18	linuxstb	I always use FLAC, but that's just because all my music is in that format. It's probably not a good test, as it rarely boosts.
02:08:32	hcs	ok, I'm using high bitrate mp3
02:08:36	Paul_The_Nerd	hcs: I believe most people complaining of problems are using MP3s.
02:08:56	hcs	just wondered if there was anything faster
02:09:14	linuxstb	I wouldn't read anything into that though - I expect most people are using MP3s...
02:09:22	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah
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02:09:48	Paul_The_Nerd	I wonder if you could trigger it just by manually toggling boost on and off from the debug menu repeatedly
02:09:56	Paul_The_Nerd	Then you'd actually know if it happens on boost or unboost even
02:10:17	hcs	linuxstb: with HAVE_ADJUSTIBLE_CPU_FREQ but a return at the beginning of set_cpu_frequency I get the nice scroll behavio
02:10:27	hcs	*behavior, that is no skipping
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02:21:15	DrMoreau	linuxstb: do you know which routing reads the MBR?
02:21:20	DrMoreau	routine that is
02:21:26	DrMoreau	damn.. i hate this kybd
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02:26:36	linuxstb	DrMoreau: disk_init()
02:28:33	DrMoreau	linuxstb: thats what i thought.. but i dont see a sector count in that routine
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02:29:58	DrMoreau	linuxstb: nm i see it - pinfo[i].size = BYTES2INT32(ptr, 12)
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02:44:48	hcs	linuxstb: I stand by my observation, tried with and without HAVE_... with same track and no other change, without skips
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03:58:54	hcs	linuxstb: if I'm reading the guess comments in set_cpu_frequency correctly, we're switching to 24MHz, changing the speed of an oscillator, and then switching back to that; if so, why not just switch between the adjustable oscillator (which we'd leave fast) and the 24MHz one?
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04:20:23	karim	linuxstb, I can't build ffmpeg with my hown makefile
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04:31:11	hcs	linuxstb: the modification I suggested is in use now, if nothing else it runs
04:38:36	Joely	is this the jtag on the sansa? and when is it a normal time in sweden? http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/6871/sansatc1.png
04:39:02	hcs	it's never normal time in sweden, they're crazy
04:39:11	scorche	Joely: it is 4:30 AM right now in sweden
04:39:13	Joely	haha awww
04:39:15	scorche	err..4
04:39:17	scorche	0
04:39:28	hcs	</ignorantAmerican>
04:39:30	Joely	hmmm maybe if i stay up all night mr bagder will come around
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04:46:41	ryanpg	so my buddy is a rio karma owner, but it's going to die soon we're convinced... what current mp3 player do you guys suggest? I think one can find iriver h10s on the shelf still right?
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04:47:11	hcs	linuxstb: I stuck the version I'm currently running on flyspray
04:47:23	ze	ryanpg: is it the HD going? if so why not just upgrade it? heh
04:47:33	Paul_The_Nerd	ryanpg: I think the general consensus in here is that if you're going to pick a Rockboxable player, the X5 is a pretty solid choice among still on sale targets.
04:48:00	ryanpg	ze, he already did once :P
04:48:04	ze	heh
04:48:56	ryanpg	Paul_The_Nerd, cool... btw I have an M5... I can't code at all, but darn it's gotta be trivial to port rockbox from the x5 to the m5
04:49:35	ryanpg	one guy was on the list saying he was going to attempt an m5 port but that was months ago and I haven't heard anything since :(
04:50:11	ryanpg	is there a "rio karma vs. rockbox" table around somewhere, I'd like to show my buddy :D
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05:18:44	secleinteer	does anyone know if it's possible to turn off peak meters in a wps w/o really knowing how to make/mod them?
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05:30:33	Paul_The_Nerd	secleinteer: The mod to remove peakmeters is pretty simplistic. See the CustomWPS page in the wiki, the whole WPS code is mostly rather simple.
05:30:45	secleinteer	k
05:30:48	secleinteer	thx for the help
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06:11:14	stevenm	Hello. Anyone mind a MIDI commit real fast? 1 file, hopefully no breakage
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06:56:02	stevenm	Hello. Just commited something, had a warning, fixed warning (deleted that code), recommited
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06:56:14	stevenm	Web CVS view shows the offending code removed.
06:56:24	stevenm	But the build page still shows the same warning, on the same line.
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07:03:37	midkay_	is it unrelated?
07:03:47	midkay_	probably the result of different gcc versions on different servers.
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07:04:07	stevenm	midkay, reports warning that a variable is used but not initialized
07:04:49	midkay	doesn't seem like you removed the offending code, rather some other code perhaps?
07:05:06	stevenm	midkay, that code was leftover, committed too soon. I deleted that whole segment, see?
07:05:08	stevenm	http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/midi/synth.c.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13
07:05:25	midkay	i see that, you removed something. but is that something what's causing the error? it'd seem not.
07:06:18	stevenm	it is complaining about an uninitialized variable 's' on line 285
07:06:20	stevenm	in synth.c
07:06:52	midkay	viewcvs doesn't show line numbers unfortunately. why don't you check the latest synth.c and see what exactly is on line 285?
07:07:09	stevenm	look at that link- there should no longer be any reference to 's' in that block..
07:07:26	stevenm	at this point, line 285 is a single }
07:07:38	midkay	that is weird, i dunno.
07:08:17	stevenm	well alright, maybe it'll resolve itself next time someone makes a change. cvs is acting very slowly for some reason. Oh well, i will just sent it up again tomorrow if it still is a problem
07:08:23	stevenm	thanks anyway
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07:24:49	mattjunx	I have a question regarding rockbox on the ipod
07:25:13	mattjunx	the bootloader patch; how would you apply it using linux?
07:25:24	mattjunx	or even using wine
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07:26:48	sneakums	mattjunx: there's a page that covers i nstallation from Linux
07:27:01	sneakums	mattjunx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
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07:27:17	mattjunx	oh thanks
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08:16:01	tecnica	is there anybody who can help?
08:17:28	Joely	i can try to help if you ask :-D
08:17:38	Slasheri	Bagder: btw, regarding the thing that rockbox mailing list digest mode does not work, did you verify that qrunner is really running as daemon?
08:18:07	Slasheri	mailman requires it to be running
08:18:50	tecnica	i read the manual abt flashing my h10 and did according to it but it just dun work out
08:21:39	Joely	which version of the h10 do you have?
08:21:50	tecnica	5gb
08:21:57	tecnica	think is the UMS one?
08:22:30	Joely	wait, you don't know if it is?
08:22:44	tecnica	how do i confirm?
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08:23:12	tecnica	cause i forgot which fw i actually dl long time ago
08:24:07	Joely	i think the us version is MTP but you can make it UMS if you hold the O button as it boots up i think
08:24:17	Joely	haha i said `i think' twice
08:24:20	Joely	it's late here
08:24:25	Joely	/early
08:24:29	tecnica	yap! i think it is UMS
08:25:12	tecnica	k, the problem is i uploaded the bootloader and the daily build(021006) but it still load the original fw
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08:52:17	amiconn	midkay: viewcvs does show line numbers if you select the correct option (annotate)
08:52:59	midkay	amiconn: i actually looked at the options and thought it might, just didn't feel like going through them all.
08:53:44	amiconn	Hmm, stevenm left and didn't fix the yellow :/
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08:54:13	midkay	it almost seems wrong, as he said there isn't any reference to "s" on that line anymore.
08:54:31	amiconn	It is common that compiler warnings about uninitialised variables trigger on the colsing brace
08:54:49	amiconn	The warning doesn't mean 's' isn't used
08:54:52	midkay	hm, i've never seen it before..
08:55:10	midkay	no, but it still points to that line number and 's' isn't even mentioned on that line.
08:55:22	amiconn	Yes of course
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08:55:41	amiconn	The closing brace triggers a couple of warnings regarding the whole function
08:55:57	midkay	as i said, never seen it before...
08:56:27	amiconn	This warning means that the value of 's' is used within the function before it has a clearly defined value
08:58:29	amiconn	Hmm, it's not the closing brace of the function...
08:59:15	midkay	amiconn: i understand the warning and i've seen that before. i have not seen the compiler point to the closing brace of a function that had an uninitialized variable.
08:59:48	midkay	especially when that happens to be the same exact line number that the warning was on before.. seems glitched or wrong to me. shrugs
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09:09:45	PaulJam	Slasheri: there seems to be still problems while importing the runtimedata into tagcache: 1. the tagcache_changelog.txt isn't imported automatically when (re-)building the db, but i'm not sure if it is supposed to do that when tagcache is kept on disk.
09:11:01	Slasheri	PaulJam: currently dircache and tagcache loading to ram and automatic updating is required for the automatic import to take action
09:13:07	PaulJam	2. when importing the changes manually with the menu item "import changes" it doesnt import the whole file. it stops importing at a random point in the file, i have tried it several times, and everytime it imported a diferen amount of tracks (the range was from 240 to ~1000 with ~1600 files in the tagcache changelog file).
09:13:49	Slasheri	PaulJam: hmm, that sounds weird
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09:14:46	Slasheri	PaulJam: are you sure that file path of some files has not changed?
09:14:46	PaulJam	before you fixed the issue with the long lines it imported the whole file (after removing the too long lines).
09:14:59	Slasheri	because currently files with changed path are not imported
09:15:15	Slasheri	ah.. lets see if i can see a bug in the code
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09:17:11	PaulJam	i have changed the path of some files (< 20) but that wouldnt explain why it always imports a different amount even if i haven't changed anything on the disk (except for removing the .tcd files to rebuild the db)
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09:19:06	Slasheri	PaulJam: ah.. there seems to be a bug in the fast readline code
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09:19:30	Slasheri	or possible bug, but that shouldn't be triggered normally
09:19:45	Slasheri	it will only trigger is the changelog is modified with a windows text editor
09:19:54	Slasheri	*if
09:21:04	Slasheri	hmm, in fact i was wrong.. no bug yet, still looking
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09:21:45	PaulJam	could be that i did that, but the lineendings are still only LF (if that's what you meant)
09:23:06	Slasheri	yep, hmm interesting
09:23:16	Slasheri	are you sure they really are plain LF?
09:23:48	Slasheri	other possible thing could be automatic word wrap
09:27:49	PaulJam	according to notepad2 it has only LF endings, if you want i can send you the file.
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09:37:26	PaulJam	hmm, if i set tagcache to use ram and enable autoupdate and then rebuild the db, the whole changelog gets imported
09:38:08	PaulJam	so the automatic importing seems to work as it should.
09:38:10	Slasheri	PaulJam: hmm.. and if you try to manually import the same file, it doesn't import all data?
09:38:31	PaulJam	yes
09:39:18	Slasheri	weird.. maybe it has some bugs when tagcache is kept on disk
09:40:09	Slasheri	PaulJam: could you try the following: load tagcache to ram without automatic update and import changelog manually
09:40:24	PaulJam	ok, i'll try that.
09:40:27	Slasheri	good
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09:47:03	PaulJam	with tagcache in ram (and autoupdate disabled) the whole file gets imported
09:47:17	PaulJam	(on manual import)
09:47:30	Slasheri	ok, so the problem happens only with the disk mode then
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10:09:07	linuxstb	Looks like the build system built the wrong files on the last commit - i.e. the files before the commit that triggered the build. Same thing happened to me about a week ago.
10:10:02	linuxstb	Checking ~rbclient/apps/plugins/midi/synth.c on my build server shows it is still at revision 1.12
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10:17:15	jhMikeS	hope I got frequency setting for the uda1380 right the first time
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10:18:37	barrywardell	hi scorche: fixed that patch if you can try it
10:18:44	scorche	i can
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10:19:35	*	petur reminds himself not to update his iriver before the recording he's going to make tonight
10:20:55	*	jhMikeS says there's a whole new recording update ready for some serious s71t ... who wants to test?
10:21:33	petur	what's changed?
10:21:37	jhMikeS	everything
10:21:43	*	linuxstb cries after resyncing his ipod recording code...
10:22:08	jhMikeS	I've been working hard in my lair
10:22:26	jhMikeS	linuxstb: not really everything! It might not be too bad
10:23:07	petur	jhMikeS: please make sure it's stable before committing.... some people find recording more important than playback
10:23:33	jhMikeS	petur: I need testing on iRiver for the sample rate stuff first
10:23:41	petur	spdif?
10:23:49	jhMikeS	The software part is stable
10:24:07	*	barrywardell cries a little too
10:24:08	jhMikeS	petur: spdif and normal recording and playback for cf
10:24:25	barrywardell	linuxstb: i recorded on my H10 last night :)
10:24:30	linuxstb	barrywardell: Maybe we should commit it quickly before jhMikeS...
10:24:50	petur	hahahaha
10:24:54	petur	go go go
10:24:57	pondlife	me fires a pistol
10:25:00	pondlife	Oops
10:25:11	jhMikeS	linuxstb: go ahead...:) Just wondering what you added stuff to
10:25:19	*	pondlife never could tell a joke
10:25:26	jhMikeS	;)
10:25:34	linuxstb	pcm_record.c is the place where conflicts are likely
10:25:49	theli_ua	hm ... anyone can help me with using gdb/ddd/kdbg with for debugging plugins on simulator builds?
10:25:52	scorche	barrywardell: alright...it builds this time...which functions were i testing again?
10:25:52	linuxstb	That file assumes Coldfire is the only recording target...
10:25:53	jhMikeS	linuxstb: that changed entirely for the new ways the buffer works
10:25:59	linuxstb	Exactly...
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10:26:23	jhMikeS	But this reaches the menus and the codecs too...the codec model is changed
10:26:26	barrywardell	scorche: backlight, usb, button, adc
10:26:37	jhMikeS	and the statusbar icons of course
10:27:04	linuxstb	The only changes to the codecs are to fix endian issues in the WAV codec. The other codecs don't work either, but I haven't investigated yet.
10:27:51	linuxstb	Ironically, the only part of the recording code that does any endian-ness checks is about the only place they are not needed - the Coldfire DMA handler...
10:27:56	jhMikeS	linuxstb: is the iPod big or little endian?
10:28:12	linuxstb	Little.
10:28:59	jhMikeS	linuxstb: are samples received little endian already?
10:29:28	barrywardell	jhMikeS: the ipod/h10 recording patch is here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6096
10:29:29	linuxstb	Yes. IMO, the PCM buffer should store the samples in host-endian format.
10:29:48	linuxstb	(the same as the playback PCM buffer)
10:30:27	pondlife	petur: by the way, please don't get upset that I reset the "Priority" of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6061 to Normal.... just tidying up the 3 or so that were not- Normal. Severity is of course still High.
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10:30:50	petur	np
10:31:39	pondlife	Apart from JDGordon (who I never seem to share a time zone with), who else knows the menu code?
10:32:18	pondlife	I wonder if stack overflows are causing some of the more intermittent crashes. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 definitely is one.
10:32:52	pondlife	It's quite easy to accidentally consume some stack on the UI's thread....
10:32:58	aliask	JdGordon is in my time zone, I guess he's just busy with uni a bit lately.
10:33:35	scorche	pondlife: he should be around about this time...he is in australia
10:34:00	pondlife	So no-one else knows how onplay.c works..? ;-)
10:34:21	*	pondlife sees no volunteers
10:34:24	scorche	barrywardell: looks good...no issues
10:34:53	jhMikeS	linuxstb: that doesn't look so bad really in terms of conflict
10:35:11	pondlife	In other news, does anyone else have reproducible white noise problems on playback (maybe crossfade related)?
10:35:15	barrywardell	great thanks scorche. now i just need to find people with 3g, 4g, and mini to test it...anyone?
10:35:19	aliask	pondlife: Isn't most of it just calls to menu code?
10:35:42	pondlife	Yes, but it shouldn't try to recurse like that.
10:35:53	aliask	Which target for the white noise btw?
10:36:17	pondlife	Don't know, reported on forum as an iPod of some kind, and perhaps an H320. Not clear yet.
10:36:24	jhMikeS	linuxstb: but it will conflict for sure
10:36:41	pondlife	I'm a heavy crossfade user so am surprised I've not had it. Maybe it's a patched build too?
10:36:49	aliask	pondlife: I've had white noise issues on a PP5020 (ipod mini 1g), but I suspect that to do with the CPU issues.
10:37:23	pondlife	Ah, maybe. Perhaps we are not spotting some kind of underrun properly.
10:37:43	*	aliask shrugs.
10:37:45	jhMikeS	I added a swap_odd_even32 inline function to system.h too
10:37:51	linuxstb	The only time I've had white noise was when I was testing my recording patch, and I forgot to bump the config block version. I then got white noise whenever I tried to play any audio file. Resetting the settings fixed it.
10:37:59	pondlife	I will hack my H340 to run in idle mode and see what happens.
10:38:46	linuxstb	But that's probably unrelated to the occasional whitenoise problem mentioned in the forums.
10:39:09	pondlife	Also it appears that white noise may be co-incident with reports of metadata confusion where the WPS continues on the previous track with a playback position past the song length.
10:39:38	pondlife	Smells like a bug to me, but I need clues to repro it.
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10:42:32	aliask	pondlife: I don't think the sudoku one is a recursion bug, I've encountered it on my first or second generate.
10:42:37	pondlife	Ah, ok
10:44:33	jhMikeS	linuxstb: go ahead and commit that, I think I can incorporate it with little difficulty
10:44:47	PaulJam	pondlife: i have the problem that sometimes on a tracktransition the display remains on the old track and the new track is already playing (the time still counts up beyond the songlength) then after some time i hear a short loud screeching noise (i'm not sure if that is what you meant) and the second track continues from the beginning and the display changes to the correct track (but this was not with a cvs build)
10:45:13	PaulJam	player is a h300
10:45:17	pondlife	PaulJam: yes, that sound like the one
10:45:33	pondlife	Is it rare?
10:46:13	pondlife	And any idea which patches?
10:46:52	PaulJam	it doesn't happen if i listen to a playlist or a tagcache generated playlist, it only happened in combination with the random folder patch (so i thought this was related to this patch)
10:47:04	pondlife	Most reports just say something like "play an album through, then after it completes navigate to a second album and play that".. I do that all the time with no trouble.
10:47:33	pondlife	I rarely use playlists, apart from the internally generated one for a directory
10:48:02	PaulJam	i currently have a cvs build installed, so i'll see if i can reproduce it here.
10:48:07	pondlife	Great
10:48:26	pondlife	I don't think it's been put on Flyspray yet, but if we could get that ball rolling it would be good.
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10:49:13	*	pondlife likes fixing bugs (not adding new stuff)
10:50:27	aliask	I have the WPS glitches occaisionally, but I've never had the screech (h300)
10:51:10	jhMikeS	playback handles short files and skipping around on them very badly
10:51:19	pondlife	In what way?
10:51:24	jhMikeS	lockups
10:51:37	pondlife	Which device?
10:51:39	jhMikeS	I thinks I got a divx0 exception with wavpack
10:51:41	jhMikeS	x5
10:51:55	linuxstb	jhMikeS: I'm not quite ready to commit that patch yet - I only posted it to flyspray so others could help work on it. The earliest I could attempt to bring it up to scratch would be this evening (EU time).
10:51:55	pondlife	Ah, is it wavpack specific?
10:51:56	jhMikeS	I think #7 is divx0
10:52:26	pondlife	I fixed a divx0 pcmbuf issue with crossfade not long ago.
10:52:30	jhMikeS	pondlife: I think it might be...others have mentioned a divx0 problem with wavpack
10:52:44	pondlife	OK, I use only mp3 due to my Archos heritage
10:53:13	jhMikeS	linuxstb: I can add endianness awareness to WAV with no problem
10:54:32	linuxstb	OK, thanks.
10:54:43	petur	I can add endianness problems to WAV with no awareness :)
10:54:44	jhMikeS	peak calcs are no longer in the interrupt routine either
10:54:58	petur	no?
10:54:58	pondlife	The only playback problem I have seen recently is a failure to fill the codec buffer in a timely fashion when using a large shuffled playlist. This results in a long-ish pause (10 seconds)
10:55:02	linuxstb	For the normal stereo case, you can just use ci->memcpy.
10:55:25	petur	jhMikeS: does this stop peakmeters during disk write again?
10:55:58	linuxstb	BTW, what happens if there are buffer overflows - i.e. the encoder can't keep up?
10:56:16	jhMikeS	petur: never paid attention...but disk writes only occur during flushing unless you want every file flushed immediately
10:56:32	jhMikeS	that wasn't quite accurate :)
10:58:23	jhMikeS	checking that now
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10:59:32	jhMikeS	nope...don't even notice the disk write without looking for the icon
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10:59:50	petur	nice!
10:59:55	pondlife	Anyone else think a CPU boost icon would be useful...?
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11:00:14	jhMikeS	you can start many files without hitting the disk too
11:00:30	pondlife	...or would it just be a flickering annoyance
11:00:45	jhMikeS	pondlife: not imho...and room is precious there no?
11:00:53	petur	pondlife: won't that increase cpu load to 100%? in that case it can be a static icon ;)
11:01:07	linuxstb	Speaking of icons, squeezing the recording info into the status bar just looks silly on the large (220x176 and 320x240) LCDs...
11:01:42	jhMikeS	linuxstb: an issue I had intended to cover...I think larger bitmaps would work there
11:02:06	jhMikeS	even on x5 they're too small for the main lcd
11:02:09	linuxstb	Why not just display it normally - i.e. as text.
11:02:26	jhMikeS	linuxstb: could do that where room permits
11:03:26	jhMikeS	The bitmaps are individial glyphs for numbers and 'k' now since there's so many different values to display
11:03:32	aliask	Maybe on debug builds it may be useful.
11:03:58	aliask	^^ in regards to CPU boost icon
11:06:27	jhMikeS	I don't think I'll make major recording changes after this since the framework is pretty mature with my changes. It accomodates practically anything that an encoder might ever need to do in a stream.
11:08:02	jhMikeS	and for SWCODEC you select by format, not quality. Each encoder has it's own menu heirarchy that blends into the recording menu through "Encoder Settings"
11:08:06	linuxstb	Does it handle a change of samplerate mid-stream?
11:08:44	linuxstb	I'm thinking of spdif.
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11:08:52	jhMikeS	linuxstb: only when using spdif
11:09:01	jhMikeS	actually when you start recording only
11:10:04	pondlife	I was only being half-serious about the boost icon by the way...
11:10:34	jhMikeS	a midstrem change would require checking the spdif sample rate every chunk too
11:11:34	jhMikeS	if you don't, you'll get off-rate samples in the old stream...but it could actually be done
11:12:00	linuxstb	It's probably not important, it's just that I read a recent discussion of archiving the contents of DAT tapes, and one of the requirements for that task is to handle samplerate changes in the middle of a tape.
11:12:57	linuxstb	I don't know if other formats like MiniDisc have the same issue.
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11:13:07	jhMikeS	You just need to mark the stream with a rate change flag and the encoder would have to be written to adapt to it.
11:13:39	jhMikeS	Every chunk has a header with various flags for marking changes in the stream
11:17:39	PaulJam	pondlife: have you read this tread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6739.0
11:19:00	jhMikeS	The encoder can modify things during encode or when writin...the encoders do the file writing now too and have full control over what's written
11:19:49	pondlife	PaulJam: yes
11:20:17	pondlife	Unable to reproduce any of it, despite trying for quite a while
11:20:17	linuxstb	jhMikeS: What about file splitting - could a codec start a new file?
11:20:41	jhMikeS	linuxstb: yes but that's usually done by flushing
11:21:21	linuxstb	I'm just thinking that if the samplerate (or something else, like mono/stereo) changed mid-stream, the codec might want to start a new file.
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11:21:42	pondlife	Is there anyway on Flyspray to list the tasks I'm watching?
11:21:48	jhMikeS	linuxstb: technically WAV files can have multiple RIFF headers
11:21:54	linuxstb	pondlife: I don't think so.
11:21:58	pondlife	pity.
11:22:39	jhMikeS	linuxstb: but yeah...that wouldn't be hard at all. the codec should probably start and close the files too but that's an easy change
11:23:06	*	amiconn is slightly puzzled :/
11:23:27	jhMikeS	amiconn: why so?
11:23:50	Slasheri	linuxstb: btw, do you happen to know where is the code to fill missing tags for the wps display?
11:24:10	Slasheri	now having searched for more than half an hour and didn't found it yet
11:24:12	amiconn	I have an emacified lcd_yuv_blit() for H300. According to the cycle count it _should_ be around 22% faster than the cvs version, however, I can't measure a difference (with mpegplayer)...
11:24:29	Slasheri	for example genre is changed to the base directory filename if genre tag is missing
11:24:57	linuxstb	amiconn: You haven't enabled any frame-skip/frame-limiting options by mistake?
11:25:03	amiconn	nope
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11:25:47	linuxstb	Slasheri: The WPS code itself doesn't do that - it's done using conditional markup in the .wps file itself.
11:26:02	linuxstb	i.e. "if the tag is blank show filename"
11:26:40	Slasheri	linuxstb: oh, that explains it then
11:27:00	Slasheri	i just thought if there would be a function, tagcache could have used that also
11:27:32	linuxstb	I assume it's done in the .wps itself so users can adapt it to their directory structure.
11:27:34	jhMikeS	amiconn: I'm also puzzled by the remote lcd write code and the seemingly small cycle difference between the two write functions
11:27:46	amiconn	Slasheri: Imho the tag reading shouldn't do such things at all; even the current track number guessing is too much
11:28:15	linuxstb	I agree - it's just asking for problems.
11:28:16	Slasheri	amiconn: hmm, maybe true. i just leave it unchanged then
11:29:42	Slasheri	i just thought it could be nice to display instead of "<Untagged>" something like "{Generated tag}"
11:29:45	amiconn	I have several tracks which deliberately have no track number. For tracks by "666" the track number guessing wrongly sets a track number of 66
11:29:51	jhMikeS	I should post that recording stuff up as a patch? I'll have some instructions about testing there too...I need that uda samplerate switching checked big time
11:30:34	Slasheri	amiconn: do you think the track number guessing should be removed too or maybe changed to an option?
11:30:45	amiconn	Imho it should be removed
11:30:49	jhMikeS	The rest is pretty much software-only and I know it runs
11:31:18	Slasheri	wondering what others might think about that
11:31:46	Slasheri	for some people removing it could mess up the track order
11:31:47	jhMikeS	Am I gonna need to make binaries again? ech
11:31:53	markun	pondlife: I was looking for that as well
11:32:26	pondlife	No luck, I take it...?
11:33:37	markun	no
11:33:49	jhMikeS	guess I'm gonna post it...
11:35:05	Genre9mp3	Slasheri: How track number guessing works? Tries to guess from the filename?
11:35:38	pondlife	Yes.. it often guesses 3 (from .mp3) too!
11:35:57	pondlife	I also vote for its removal
11:36:21	Genre9mp3	pondlife: Thanx
11:36:26	Slasheri	Genre9mp3: currently it tries to guess last two digits from the filename (before the last period)
11:36:33	Slasheri	pondlife: really? that shouldn't be possible
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11:38:01	Genre9mp3	Slasheri: Usually this kind of guesses are useful on mass tagging tools
11:38:17	pondlife	Hmm, this was with an old build - it may have been fixed
11:38:33	pondlife	I don't like the idea of my player guessing particularly though
11:38:37	Genre9mp3	Maybe it's not wise to build a database based on guesses
11:38:56	Slasheri	well, maybe i will just remove it then
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11:39:04	amiconn	Guessbase ;)
11:39:09	linuxstb	Is track number the only tag you try to guess?
11:39:10	Slasheri	and force some users to retag files
11:39:13	pondlife	No track number is a valid condition anyway - needs to be filed as <None>
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11:39:26	Slasheri	linuxstb: currently yes, unless real tag information is found
11:39:43	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:39:48	Slasheri	or! maybe we can still gues the track number but we set a flag indicating we have guessed it
11:39:54	linuxstb	Then I would say remove it - I don't think a track number is useful by itself.
11:40:02	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:40:02	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:40:02	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:40:04	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:10	Slasheri	then user could configure to use or not to use guessed values
11:40:14	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:18	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:23	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:23	petur	Pro: stop it NOW
11:40:28	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:33	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:38	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:39	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:41	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:43	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:46	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:48	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:52	ender`	+m
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11:40:52	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:53	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:54	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:58	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:58	ender`	now
11:40:58	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:03	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:04	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:08	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:10	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:13	Pro	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:14	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:14	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:15	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:15	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:15	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:16	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:17	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:19	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:22	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:25	Pro	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:28	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:33	Strevv	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:34	Strevv	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:34	Strevv	SURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:34	Strevv	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:35	Strevv	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:35	Strevv	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:37	Strevv	Help, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:42:30	petur	I think he had a problem, but not with his ipod
11:42:38	jhMikeS	ok...I wish I broke his iPod
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11:43:16	ender`	LinusN: jsut set +m on the channel, and temporarily voice everybody
11:43:20	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
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11:43:36	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:41	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:55	pondlife	He thinks we're a god.
11:43:58	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:44:20	nineko	GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:44:32	Mode	"#rockbox +b *!n=Hurrican@ip67-91-104-220.z104-91-67.customer.algx.net " by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
11:44:32	Kick	(#rockbox nineko :LinusN) by LinusN!i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN
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11:45:23	pondlife	Who invented CTRL-V anyway?
11:45:52	jhMikeS	Microsoft?
11:46:01	linuxstb	If you check the US patent office, I'm sure you'll find out...
11:46:01	Genre9mp3	pondlife: I think the heart of the problem is CTRL-C! :P
11:46:13	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11:46:13	*	ender` 's still used to Shift+Ins instead of Ctrl+V
11:46:20	amiconn	pondlife: DON'T take my Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V away!
11:46:30	jhMikeS	linuxstb: no shi - ite
11:46:53	pondlife	amiconn: Not if you've passed the relevant exams.
11:47:15	linuxstb	Anyway, track number guessing?
11:47:23	safetydan	pondlife, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V is the only way I can write code :)
11:47:34	pondlife	What, no google?
11:47:50	petur	lol
11:48:12	jhMikeS	alt-backspace is the only way I can unwrite code
11:49:01	petur	ctrl-y does the trick here
11:49:32	*	pondlife would love to know his backspace-to-other-char ratio
11:49:46	pondlife	Probably >1
11:50:05	jhMikeS	only authorities of the state shall posses ctrl-C and ctrl-V and those with particular needs to possess them granted by the state on a per-case basis.
11:50:30	pondlife	Removing code often fixes more bugs than writing more code.
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11:52:17	pondlife	linuxstb: Do you object to removing of track number guessing?
11:52:40	linuxstb	No.
11:52:54	linuxstb	But then I'm happy with filetree view...
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11:56:02	jhMikeS	pondlife: remove all the code and you shall have no bugs :)
11:56:18	pondlife	jhMikeS: you got it!
11:56:20	linuxstb	Apart from the "my DAP won't boot" bug...
11:56:29	pondlife	Hmm, well it's not a DAP any more....
11:56:38	pondlife	So rewrite the spec too
11:56:38	petur	brick?
11:56:51	*	linuxstb prepares such a build for nineko
11:57:23	jhMikeS	ok...patch going up...big write up to go along with it! :(
11:58:08	jhMikeS	343kB heh
11:58:23	*	linuxstb cries again
11:58:52	jhMikeS	linuxstb: it's ok, it's ok, it's not so bad
11:58:54	*	tucoz notices two ops in the channel and some trolls in the logs
11:59:01	tucoz	long time since i saw that
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12:00:17	tucoz	I also wonder if someone would like to poke a stick on the webpage menu.
12:00:31	tucoz	mainly adding the new menu that pixelma proposed
12:00:54	jhMikeS	linuxstb: what's the task # again?
12:00:57	jhMikeS	for yours
12:02:38	linuxstb	6096
12:03:52	jhMikeS	strange that I'm #2 in the Assigned To list
12:04:12	*	obo wonders if he can speak to anyone about the audioscrobbler patch...
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12:04:30	markun	obo: what about it?
12:04:51	obo	markun: about the chances of it being comitted
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12:08:48	*	linuxstb thinks the last patch by hcs might have fixed the PP5020 crashing bug...
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12:25:08	jhMikeS	kaboom! there it is: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6106
12:26:05	jhMikeS	iRiver owners: I'd appreciate some help testing, thanks. There's instructions there on what to do.
12:28:10	pondlife	jhMikeS: I'll give it a go shortly. No SPDIF here though.
12:28:43	jhMikeS	pondlife: thanks. it's basically the samplerate stuff that is a mystery
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12:29:57	*	jhMikeS really hopes that works for uda though it shouldn't change anything if samplerates aren't actually changed by something
12:45:38	aliask	jhMikeS: Erm, that plugin crashed my H300
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12:47:52	aliask	jhMikeS: Changing to 11.025khz busts it, but apart from that it works.
12:52:19	jhMikeS	you get the 88.2?
12:52:57	jhMikeS	wierd that 11.025 would bust it I had all bets on 88.2 :)
12:54:12	jhMikeS	Is MCLK1 used on all iRivers for the uda SYSCLK?
12:54:42	jhMikeS	aliask: what recording rates work/don't work?
12:55:42	aliask	In tha actual recording screen?
12:56:05	jhMikeS	yeah
12:56:21	jhMikeS	you should have 44.1, 22.05, and 11.025
12:58:43	aliask	I only have 44 and 22
12:58:52	jhMikeS	use WAV
12:58:57	aliask	Ah ok.
12:58:59	aliask	Hang on.
12:59:27	aliask	Could some serious lag have been introduced with the patch?
12:59:46	jhMikeS	shouldn't be, why?
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13:00:03	aliask	Well, it's lagging at every screen change.
13:00:16	aliask	But I'm not sure if it's the patch, or just some update to CVS
13:00:26	aliask	Because I've been running a slightly dated version for a while on this DAP
13:00:41	jhMikeS	You'll get disk activity when changing formats
13:00:52	jhMikeS	Did you do a full update not just the bin?
13:00:59	aliask	Yeah, full update
13:01:27	aliask	And I think I've frozen it again by selecting 11.025 on the recording options
13:01:34	aliask	FM Radio still works though :)
13:01:41	aliask	Disk is constantly spinning.
13:02:01	jhMikeS	hmmm...but you could record a real file at other rates?
13:02:21	aliask	Havn't checked yet, but I predict that I will be
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13:02:37	jhMikeS	I don't know why the disk is spinning...did you reset settings? The config block version might be behind
13:02:43	linuxstb	jhMikeS: I'm looking at your patch, and am not sure about your independent (to core Rockbox settings) implementation of encoder .cfg files. It means that a user can't click on a .cfg file in the file browser to set all the recording options at once.
13:03:09	aliask	jhMikeS: Disk is spinning because it locked up, and can't send the command to spin down.
13:03:31	jhMikeS	linuxstb: yes they can
13:04:01	aliask	Also, why is there disk spinup when changing frequency? (Pre-rec related?)
13:04:17	linuxstb	jhMikeS: How? I must be misunderstanding your code then...
13:04:34	jhMikeS	If you reenter the recording screen it will reload the encoder as it always did
13:04:45	jhMikeS	look at enc_config.c
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13:05:28	linuxstb	So can I for example, have one .cfg file which specifies "mic recording, mp3 format, 64kbps mono", and other which says "line-in recording, mp3 format, 192kbps stereo"
13:06:55	jhMikeS	linuxstb: no it doesn't do that but it keeps the config file saving working as it is. when you save a config file, it saves encoder settings there. when you load the saved config file, it reads all encoder settings from it and copies them to the private ones
13:07:26	aliask	jhMikeS: Yes, both 44.1 and 22.05 work for recording files as expected, but 11.025 will consistently lock up the player.
13:07:52	jhMikeS	linuxstb: but if you were talking about saving separate settings config files though Manage Settings then yes, you can do that.
13:08:28	jhMikeS	aliask: I think I know why...
13:09:55	jhMikeS	aliask: and they play back showing 1411kpbs for 44100 and 705kbps for 22050?
13:10:05	jhMikeS	stereo WAV that is
13:10:20	aliask	Well, I played them on my computer, because of the crash.
13:10:25	linuxstb	So you're saying that when I export the core Rockbox settings to a .cfg file, the appropriate encoder.cfg file is copied into that core .cfg file?
13:10:33	aliask	But they played correctly, and displayed the correct frequency in the info.
13:10:35	jhMikeS	linuxstb: yes
13:10:46	linuxstb	So what happens when that core .cfg file is loaded?
13:10:49	jhMikeS	you couldn't play them back on the player after a restart?
13:10:58	aliask	I didn't try.
13:11:31	jhMikeS	linuxstb: current settings are updated, and all settings in the core are copied into the *_enc.cfg files.
13:12:03	jhMikeS	linuxstb: I made sure to make it so you wouldn't even be aware of them.
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13:12:51	jhMikeS	I did it because future changes could add a lot of weight to the bit table if you have to store settings for every encoder.
13:13:44	aliask	jhMikeS: Yes, those are the bitrates when played back through rockbox.
13:14:38	*	aliask is afk
13:15:20	jhMikeS	aliask: cool...I'm suprised it went that well first try. Tell me...88.2 jumped up an octave right from 44.1?
13:16:21	*	jhMikeS doesn't have an iRiver and low level coding without a player can be frustrating. :)
13:18:04	jhMikeS	There might be another route to 11.025...
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13:26:05	linuxstb	jhMikeS: OK, I understand how it works now...
13:28:47	linuxstb	hcs: Are you around?
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13:33:10	preglow	jhMikeS: some patch
13:33:15	*	jhMikeS needs help from someone that knows the iRiver hardware...:) why would it lock at 11.025? what uses the MCLKs and are they the same?
13:33:48	jhMikeS	preglow: It's a whopper though smaller than the original update
13:36:04	preglow	really? what's left otu?
13:36:05	preglow	out too
13:37:32	jhMikeS	preglow: Nothing left out per se really. It only adds about 6.5k to the x5 binary for all that.
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13:40:03	linuxstb	preglow: Your definition of CPU_INT_STAT in pp5020.h is puzzling me - it looks like a typo (0x64004000 instead of 0x60004000), but the definition is being used successfully in irq()
13:41:05	preglow	linuxstb: i think a ton of reg addresses are aliased
13:41:28	linuxstb	I would guess so.
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13:42:00	preglow	yeah, god knows why i chose that address for those two, but i'm pretty sure they're aliases
13:43:08	preglow	linuxstb: ipl people lists it as 60004000 in their wiki
13:43:31	linuxstb	Yes, and leachbj was around the other day, and confirmed 0x60004000 was right.
13:43:43	linuxstb	He said he's working on the new Nano.
13:43:50	preglow	oohh, extremely cool
13:44:19	preglow	it obviously takes some piece of new undocumented hardware for them to get their big guns out :)
13:44:46	linuxstb	It's good to see.
13:45:18	preglow	anyway, i haven't got time to test build with fixed addresses, but i might later
13:46:46	linuxstb	It's been there for 10 months, so I don't think there's a rush...
13:47:52	preglow	heh
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13:51:04	amiconn	jhMikeS: I don't like the encoder settings to be separate. It adds unnecessary spinups
13:51:28	amiconn	(and the bit table should be no problem when JdGordon finishes the new settings code
13:52:30	JdGordon	... which apart from lots of testing is done
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13:55:45	jhMikeS	amiconn: spinups only happen during the one settings change and you still have the encoder loading spinup to follow in most cases. things can be altered so it doesn't have to live that way forever.
13:58:12	jhMikeS	amiconn: any idea about the 11.025 lockup? think it has to do with the MCLKs? I'm a little stumped about it. I'm trying to see if I blundered on that but can't find it yet if so.
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14:00:17	preglow	JdGordon: so how much smaller did rockbox finally become?
14:01:05	JdGordon	preglow: last check was about 2800bytes smaller
14:01:37	JdGordon	it could have been more.. but not going to bother with that atgument again :D
14:02:22	preglow	no argument necessary as long as i get to gloat i was right :>
14:02:32	preglow	anywho
14:02:39	preglow	if it's nicer then it's all good anyway
14:04:09	hcs	linuxstb: I'm around now
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14:04:43	hcs	I have a happy feeling about the patch, too, and will be running extended tests today
14:05:16	linuxstb	I've been running for almost 4 hours now...
14:05:42	linuxstb	Did you test that the CPU is definitely being boosted still?
14:06:01	hcs	if it wasn't it wouldn't be able to play back mp3s, would it?
14:06:28	linuxstb	No - so it's definitely not staying on 100% boost?
14:06:34	linuxstb	(i.e. 75MHz)
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14:06:43	hcs	yeah, around 50% in the audio thread debug
14:07:26	linuxstb	So it's looking good. I should test it on my 5g, and then if it's working there OK, then commit so we can get more testers.
14:07:28	hcs	as I said, I'll be testing today to see if the battery life is actually any better, got a 12 disk Bach Organ Works set to run through
14:07:53	hcs	did you write the comments, by the way?
14:07:56	linuxstb	Or another option would be to post some builds to the forums and get users to test those.
14:08:03	linuxstb	Yes.
14:12:36	hcs	doesn't the 5g use a different set_cpu_frequency anyway?
14:13:01	linuxstb	No.
14:13:13	linuxstb	It's the same for all PP502x CPUs.
14:13:34	amiconn	Yeah, but the interrupt thing is #ifdef'ed for PP5020 specifically iirc
14:13:35	linuxstb	They are supposed to be register-compatible...
14:13:45	linuxstb	Yes, it is.
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14:13:51	hcs	ah, whoops
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14:17:51	linuxstb	hcs: I'm just looking at your patch now (I just applied it quickly this morning without paying attention), and I'm not sure what you're doing... You don't seem to actually change the clock frequency any more, just enable/disable the PLL?
14:18:41	hcs	er, yeah
14:18:53	*	linuxstb reads the patch comments :)
14:19:18	hcs	if I read it correctly, we switch to a stable, nonadjustable 24MHz clock before we change the PLL
14:19:29	amiconn	Yes
14:19:48	hcs	so what I do is leave the PLL at 75MHz and switch between the 24MHz and the PLL, without switching the PLL all the time
14:20:30	amiconn	The reason is that (1) e.g. the coldfire requires to switch the cpu clock away from the pll before reprogramming the pll, then switch back. This is probably to avoid clock glitches
14:20:46	hcs	which makes sense
14:20:50	amiconn	(2) We don't know exactly whether the pp chips also require this measure because of no docs
14:21:11	hcs	it is possible that we are running into such glitches even here, perhaps 200usec isn't long enough to wait
14:21:13	amiconn	But we still need to reprogram the pll on pp. How else would you generate the 30MHz?
14:21:38	linuxstb	Or we decide not to, and just switch between 24MHz and 75MHz...
14:21:47	amiconn	The coldfire manual states "up to 10ms" for pll relock. The typical relock time is 2..3ms
14:22:03	*	hcs dropped out of electrical engineering
14:22:11	hcs	linuxstb: exactly
14:22:12	*	linuxstb never started ee
14:22:47	jhMikeS	amiconn: that doesn't apply to the CRSEL, CLSEL does it? They're clear about AUDIOCLK but seem ambiguous about the other two (they don't use the PLL).
14:23:01	amiconn	The nice thing on coldire is that the switch back to pll is delayed by the pll logic until the pll actually relocked, and this fact is also signalled by a status bit
14:23:05	linuxstb	A nice thing about your patch is that it removes the udelay()
14:23:31	aliask	:q
14:23:37	aliask	Erm, not vim... sorry
14:24:41	linuxstb	hcs: Did you try removing the CPU_INT_EN \|= line from set_cpu_frequency with your current patch?
14:25:05	hcs	linuxstb: no, I've been running it in its present form since last night
14:25:25	linuxstb	How long have you run it for continuously?
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14:25:47	hcs	only 2 hours, I left it charging overnight so I can do a battery benchmark today
14:26:07	linuxstb	Good news for FLAC users though - FLAC doesn't boost at 24MHz :)
14:27:06	preglow	hah
14:27:09	preglow	really?
14:27:37	linuxstb	Yep.
14:30:05	pondlife	JdGordon: Hi. Did you see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 ?
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14:31:05	pondlife	Are you familiar with any of this code, or is it too far out of settings for you?
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14:31:46	LinusN	imho, the plugin/font browser shouldn't be able to take you to the menu
14:32:18	pondlife	That would be an easy fix...
14:32:28	pondlife	Seems reasonable to me
14:33:10	pondlife	As long as it's obvious the user can back out (which I assume it is, but am not in a position to try right now)
14:33:40	LinusN	in fact, tree.c contains code that tries to prevent this
14:33:54	LinusN	case ACTION_STD_MENU:
14:33:54	LinusN	/* don't enter menu from plugin browser */
14:33:54	LinusN	if (*tc.dirfilter < NUM_FILTER_MODES)
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14:33:54	LinusN	{
14:34:53	LinusN	i guess it's the context menu that is at fault in this particular case
14:36:08	LinusN	if (exit_to_main)
14:36:08	LinusN	result = main_menu();
14:36:41	pondlife	Yes, that's what I was thinking
14:37:04	LinusN	i wonder what that is for
14:37:40	LinusN	why would you want the menu key to work in the context menus?
14:37:58	jhMikeS	LinusN: It's all MCLK1 for all the iRivers' uda? MCLK2 has no function?
14:38:05	pondlife	No idea, that's why I wanted to ask other people. I would have just removed it otherwise!
14:38:16	LinusN	jhMikeS: i think so
14:40:14	aliask	JdGordon: If you sync your Menu patch to CVS, I'll test it tomorrow, but for now I need sleep
14:40:28	LinusN	pondlife: it's an ondio thing
14:40:46	pondlife	Ah, lack of buttons or something else?
14:40:47	LinusN	pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/onplay.c.diff?r1=1.46&r2=1.47
14:40:59	LinusN	"When exiting the context menu with the menu button, call the main menu. Mainly useful on Ondio which can't have both main menu and context menu bound in wps. Holding MODE on Ondio will now bring up the wps context menu instead of the main menu."
14:41:28	pondlife	OK. Well, can we just prevent the recursion somewhere?
14:41:28	LinusN	should perhaps be tied to the ondio keymap
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14:42:46	aliask	And it should be proportional
14:42:52	LinusN	:-)
14:42:57	pondlife	;-p
14:43:16	aliask	Heh. Seeya all.
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14:44:58	amiconn	hcs: The drawback of leaving the pll running at 75MHz might be that it draws more power
14:45:08	amiconn	LinusN: The exit_to_main is needed on Ondio
14:45:11	hcs	perhaps
14:45:25	LinusN	amiconn: yes, i know
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14:47:07	amiconn	Of course it shouldn't trigger from the context menu in a sub-browser
14:47:13	amiconn	Not sure how to prevent that...
14:48:12	pondlife	Add a sub-menu parameter? Or hack in a static somewhere. Both a bit nasty
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14:50:07	linuxstb	hcs: Have you tried experimenting with the info here? http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt
14:50:39	hcs	linuxstb: no, I have not
14:51:33	hcs	seems consistent with your interpretation
14:51:54	LinusN	first of all, what good is the context menu in the plugin/font browser in the first place?
14:52:17	amiconn	It's rather useful imho
14:52:43	amiconn	...for instance for deleting outdated plugins as you spot them
14:53:03	linuxstb	Opening .cfg files in the text viewer/editor?
14:53:33	LinusN	linuxstb: you mean the theme browser?
14:54:07	linuxstb	Isn't there a "browse cfg" option? If not, then yes, I mean the theme browser.....
14:55:04	linuxstb	Yes, there is a browse cfg option under manage settings. Also useful to rename/delete them.
14:56:06	LinusN	amiconn: i still don't completely understand the ondio issue
14:56:29	LinusN	couldn't that be solved with better keymapping?
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14:59:06	amiconn	LinusN: If you find a free combination....
14:59:25	amiconn	We (i.e. [IDC]Dragon and me) FOUND NONE
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14:59:31	amiconn	Sorry for caps
14:59:31	LinusN	amiconn: what is mapped to MENU+RELEASE?
14:59:55	amiconn	MENU+REL (i.e. short Menu) is 'go to browser'
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15:00:20	LinusN	ok, and menu+repeat -> menu
15:00:42	amiconn	Yes, except in the wps, where it is 'context menu'
15:01:41	LinusN	ok, so to enter the main menu in wps, you go via the context menu?
15:02:35	amiconn	yes
15:02:46	amiconn	That's because all other possible combos are taken
15:03:13	LinusN	i see
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15:17:56	tucoz	I think it's quite rare to link directly to the bug tracker from the main menu in open source projects. A lot link to a how to.
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15:22:47	linuxstb	Do we have a "how-to" yet/
15:22:48	linuxstb	?
15:23:10	tucoz	no, don't think so. i haven't written one at least :)
15:23:23	godzirra	Slasheri: you about?
15:23:27	tucoz	But i get more and more convinced that we should have one
15:23:53	linuxstb	We definitely should IMO.
15:24:10	tucoz	yes. What should it be called? BugReportingHowto?
15:24:16	tucoz	HowToReportBugs?
15:24:46	linuxstb	rasher posted a proposal for a "Rockbox Flyspray Policy" to rockbox-dev the other day - that would be a good start.
15:25:20	tucoz	ah. but isn't that a bit massive for users atm?
15:29:33	bluebrother	tucoz, I also wanted writing something (and comment on rasher's proposal)
15:29:41	bluebrother	I'll look into this in a few days ...
15:30:03	tucoz	ok, that is fine.
15:30:31	tucoz	bluebrother, now all my folders have a nice cover art .jpg. Amarok is really great these days.
15:30:45	linuxstb	After re-reading it, I agree rasher's text isn't quite what we want for a "how to report bugs" page.
15:30:59	tucoz	http://www.gimp.net/bugs/
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15:31:04	tucoz	i think that is quite nice
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15:34:15	pondlife	Is an "iPod photo" a 4G Color?
15:34:29	tucoz	yes
15:34:46	pondlife	Hence likely to suffer from the CPU boosting/freeze issue?
15:35:30	linuxstb	Yes, but hopefully not for much longer...
15:35:35	pondlife	Indeed
15:35:57	pondlife	Not worth me looking at any playback-is-freezing bugs there then....
15:36:41	linuxstb	No.
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15:46:59	hcs	linuxstb: maybe we should make mention of the patch to the guy with the No Frequency Scaling build, he has the attention of people who need it
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15:48:50	linuxstb	hcs: Yes, the more testing the better.
15:51:12	linuxstb	Although I'm wondering whether just switching between 24MHz and 75MHz would be good enough for all ipods... Maybe I should do some runtime tests with and without that patch on my 5g (with some mp3s)
15:51:55	hcs	yeah, I'm all for more testing
15:54:27	tucoz	of topic: does anyone know a log in linux that has something to do with my system crashing when i switch to vt1?
15:54:48	tucoz	s/of/off
15:56:59	godzirra	Tag Cache hates me :/
15:57:33	bluebrother	tucoz, I guess you already looked into /var/log/messages and the dmesg log?
15:57:54	tucoz	bluebrother, thanks. i haven't. I always forget where to look :)
15:58:01	godzirra	heh
15:58:13	bluebrother	hehe. No idea if it helps, but anyway ...
15:59:43	godzirra	Is Slasheri really the only guy to talk to about TagCache?
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16:00:25	linuxstb	I thought you found the problem the other day?
16:01:28	karim	hi
16:01:56	linuxstb	ih
16:02:58	godzirra	linuxstb: me?
16:03:18	linuxstb	godzirra: Yes.
16:03:34	karim	linuxstb: I just fail to build the simple apiexemple of ffmpeg with my own make file. What I did was examine the make file for libavutil and libavcodec. This allowed me to know wich object files needed to be built if I needed only mpeg2.
16:03:54	godzirra	linuxstb: I thought I ahd it narrowed down to one folder of mp3s
16:04:02	godzirra	but I copied them all of and started copying them on 3 at a time
16:04:12	godzirra	a -different- folder that had never had problems before froze tagcache
16:04:15	linuxstb	karim: The makefile you gave me the other day seemed to work. At least, it produced an apiexample executable about 1.4MB in size.
16:04:29	karim	but apiexemple.c can't be linked right. it says it can't find some functions, though the headers and the object file are compiled
16:04:40	karim	linuxstb: ????
16:04:43	karim	damn
16:05:13	linuxstb	You were missing some variables in one line of the makefile - $(LIBAVUTIL) and $(LIBAVCODEC) I think.
16:05:26	karim	linuxstb: do you still have it ?
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16:06:33	linuxstb	http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/Makefile
16:07:08	Slasheri	godzirra: ok, now here
16:07:25	Slasheri	godzirra: could you send the file you had problems with
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16:10:38	karim	linuxstb: the .c files where separated in libacodec and libavutil or all in the same folder ?
16:13:03	karim	linuxstb: the makefile is weird ...
16:14:23	linuxstb	karim: You sent it to me... I just corrected that one line. Everything (.c and .h) is in one folder.
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16:15:04	jhMikeS	amiconn: you there? you don't like the configs thing for spinups but is there anything else? I still want some isolation and opaqueness to the codec configs since doing that in the first place makes it easier to switch it around.
16:16:05	karim	linuxstb: I sent it but couldn't get something out of it, and didn't kept trace of versions :-/
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16:17:32	karim	linuxstb: I was wondering because this imports are useless -I./ -Ilibavutil/ -Ilibavcodec/ and also the make command seems redundant
16:19:20	karim	apiexample.o: In function `pgm_save':apiexample.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `please_use_av_log'
16:19:50	karim	I got that error, I know internal.h makes redefines, and so does avlog.h . I am not sure what is the best way to not have this errors
16:20:32	godzirra	Slasheri: read my PM :)
16:20:50	godzirra	Slasheri: did you get it?
16:21:13	linuxstb	jhMikeS: My initial reaction to your patch was that storing the encoder settings separately just adds complication for little gain.
16:22:20	linuxstb	karim: Here's the version of ffmpeg you sent me on 29 September - it compiles fine. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mixed.tar.bz2
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16:26:56	karim	linuxstb: damn it works ...
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16:28:11	karim	thanks
16:28:22	Slasheri	godzirra: yep
16:30:23	jhMikeS	linuxstb: I imagined that could be a bit controversial but decided to try it out :-\. Two "nays" on that point but you feel other stuff is pretty ok? For the 11khz thing that's easy to disable with one flag until it can be made to run. Probably something dumb I did.
16:32:46	linuxstb	I haven't really looked at the other stuff yet. I just browsed your patch quickly, and the config handling jumped out.
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16:52:40	karim	linuxstb: ok, so I am going to separate mpeg2 from other mpeg formats. maybe we can think of another codec to keep
16:53:16	karim	another mpeg4 codec. xvid for exemple.
16:53:45	*	jhMikeS feels a heaviness in the air around here and wonders if something else bad is going on...things seem rather subdued
16:54:17	karim	there is really no way to tell gcc to not put in .o the unused methods ?
16:55:15	jhMikeS	unused methods? I thought the linker decided what was unused.
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17:00:25	amiconn	Only if you do sectioned compilation
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17:49:42	barrywardell	XavierGr: I ran those battery tests - http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/benchmark.png
17:50:09	barrywardell	not as significant and improvement as I was hoping, but it's an improvement nonetheless
17:55:02	XavierGr	oh let's see
17:56:00	XavierGr	do you have the log files?
17:56:22	barrywardell	the battery_bench.txt files?
17:56:26	XavierGr	it would be nice to submit them in the wiki with the final result
17:56:27	XavierGr	yes
17:56:36	barrywardell	yeah, just a sec...
17:56:39	XavierGr	and give me a link of the best
17:56:53	XavierGr	what were the playing conditions?
17:57:01	XavierGr	codec and staff like that
17:57:14	barrywardell	one album on repeat
17:57:50	XavierGr	ok sounds nice
17:57:55	XavierGr	and backlight activity?
17:57:59	XavierGr	none?
17:58:05	barrywardell	mp3
17:58:18	barrywardell	it says 96kbps
17:58:35	barrywardell	left playing and backlight on occasionally to check the status
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17:59:39	XavierGr	ok then that shouldn't change the results
17:59:52	XavierGr	better upload somewhere all the log files
17:59:58	XavierGr	I want to see something
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18:00:26	XavierGr	so the final rutnime was about 8 hours?
18:00:33	barrywardell	http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_have_ide_poweroff.txt
18:00:54	barrywardell	http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_with_ide_poweroff.txt
18:00:58	fulhack	Hey.. I just bought an iriver e10, haven't received it yet. I saw that rockbox runs on some iriver devices, h10 for example. Any plans on porting to e10?
18:01:09	barrywardell	http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_without_ide_poweroff.txt
18:01:23	barrywardell	http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_charging.txt
18:01:42	barrywardell	Final runtime approximately 8 hours, yes
18:03:03	barrywardell	fulhack: nobody working on it yet anyway
18:04:16	fulhack	barrywardell, Is there some document ppl read when porting rockbox? Maybe I'll get bored sometime and give it a try. :)
18:04:28	XavierGr	barrywardell: so you gained 40 minutes with the change you made?
18:05:00	linuxstb	fulhack: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort and someone has started collecting E10 info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info
18:05:02	barrywardell	XavierGr: yes, although you may notice that it started at a lower charge in the first place, so it could be even more
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18:05:18	fulhack	linuxstb, wow, awsome!
18:05:58	barrywardell	it's hardware charging, and sometimes it charges to a higher charge than other times
18:05:59	godzirra	Slasheri: lemme know when you get back ;)
18:07:07	XavierGr	yeah, but keep in mind that there might be a +/-30 (it depends on bitrate) minutes on each benchmark. Because sometimes the voltage is low that playback continues but the next time the log needs to update, the drive can't spin
18:08:32	barrywardell	the slope of that graph is definitely smaller with ata poweroff enabled, so it must have done something!
18:09:43	XavierGr	indeed, I am just saying that battery_bench isn't acurate at time differences smaller than 30 minutes
18:10:04	barrywardell	ah, ok
18:10:16	barrywardell	thanks for the tip by the way
18:10:55	barrywardell	i think I'll commit the fix
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18:46:06	aCMe_^	Hi all
18:46:17	aCMe_^	est ce qu'il y a des Fran�ais ici ?
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18:47:15	scorche	aCMe_^: un petit...but this is an english channel if you can
18:47:23	aCMe_^	ok
18:48:19	aCMe_^	is what rockbox functions on the ipod nano last generation
18:48:26	aCMe_^	sorry for my english :'D
18:48:48	markun	aCMe_^: it will not work for a long time probably
18:49:03	scorche	aCMe_^: your english is enough ;)...go to the wiki page "WhyRockbox"....there should be a link to it on the front page
18:49:13	scorche	oh...heh
18:49:20	aCMe_^	erf ok :(
18:49:24	*	scorche notices "last generation"
18:49:33	aCMe_^	^^
18:49:50	aCMe_^	thanks scorche
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18:51:10	scorche	markun: heh...i have a feeling he wanted to thank you too ;)
18:51:43	markun	He's probably mad at me for brining him the bad new.. :)
18:51:51	scorche	hehe...i was wondering that too
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19:00:31	O11	hey
19:00:46	O11	I got my replacement h300 battery in the post today!!
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19:02:23	scorche	interesting people today...
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19:03:19	*	scorche is glad that we dont get messages like this in the mailing lists: http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=55795
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19:06:02	scorche	which?
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19:06:16	O11	anyone around..
19:06:52	O11	I'm just about to solder my replacement battery into my h300.. I've checked that the polarities of the old and the new battery is the same..
19:07:07	O11	any warnings before I commence?
19:07:16	*	petur just had one of his disks crashed - the one with his cygwin tree on it :(
19:07:40	bluebrother	O11, there is a nice replacement guide on misticirver.
19:07:42	scorche	good thing there are backups!......right?
19:07:53	petur	not for that drive :(
19:07:56	O11	bluebrother: I'm doing it different =)
19:07:57	markun	scorche: nineko. It was today even.
19:07:58	scorche	for shame!
19:08:10	petur	it was my backup drive...
19:08:13	bluebrother	I swapped the battery on my h120 −− no need to solder, but need to check if the polarity of the new battery is right.
19:08:21	*	scorche snaps his fingers
19:08:23	O11	bluebrother: I'd rather solder the wires than get all the way inside my player and fiddle around with the plugs..
19:08:31	scorche	markun: missed it....logs, here io come!
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19:08:43	markun	hard to miss :)
19:08:54	petur	indeed hard to miss
19:09:09	bluebrother	if you think this is a better solution ... I believe I can solder and I don't want to solder that short wires (assuming the h300 is similar to the h100 in that point)
19:09:11	O11	anyway.. here goes.. i'll tell you if it works when i'm done =)
19:09:49	O11	bluebrother: I'm will to give soldering a go.. why do you not want to do it?
19:09:55	*	O11 hasn't soldered before..
19:10:26	bluebrother	because it is really tight and you need to make sure you isolate the soldered wires good.
19:10:39	bluebrother	and there isn't really much room.
19:10:54	bluebrother	woo, looking at the h300 guide it's even easier as for the h100
19:11:48	bluebrother	to have a good isolation I would use heat shrinking tube, but from my experience this would get really compicated.
19:12:51	bluebrother	The h100 has its battery connector placed in a pretty nasty place as its quite a lot of fiddling to get the connector in. From the pics of the h300 it seems to be a nice walk for the h300
19:13:11	O11	ok.. that's good to know..
19:13:28	O11	i'm just going to solder them that wrap a small bit of tape around..
19:13:33	bluebrother	just look the misticriver h100 guide up ... and where the connector is located ;-)
19:13:54	*	O11 goes of to get a pair of pliers to give the wires a bit of a twist
19:14:00	bluebrother	I really don't like tape in such locations...
19:14:15	O11	why's that?
19:14:19	O11	too bulky
19:14:20	nls	falls off?
19:14:28	O11	falls off?
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19:14:33	bluebrother	it may fall off with the time. Or move.
19:14:49	nls	short circut is a Bad Thing (tm)
19:14:49	*	godzirra pokes Slasheri with a dull stick.
19:14:59	bluebrother	then there's only a bit of glue left on the wires ... and such a thing cries for a short circuit.
19:15:18	bluebrother	just search for the li-poly battery on youtube. Nice explosion.
19:15:41	nls	baboom!
19:15:45	bluebrother	hehe :)
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19:17:45	O11	wait.. is it bad to have the wires of the battery itself touch eachother?
19:17:56	O11	or is it only bad over a long period of time/
19:17:57	O11	?
19:18:04	O11	or only when it's charged up?
19:20:54	bluebrother	man, do I hate duplicates :(
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19:21:42	O11	duplicates?
19:21:43	bluebrother	generally, you could say it's bad. It won't explode in every case but with li-ion batteries I'd be really careful
19:21:50	bluebrother	duplicates in the tracker.
19:22:14	O11	so.. avoid any wires apart from the correct ones touching at any point during the process and after?
19:24:21	bluebrother	I'd say so.
19:26:58	Slasheri	godzirra: sorry but still little busy
19:27:12	Slasheri	godzirra: did it crash?
19:27:31	Slasheri	if so, try to find what track causes it to crash/fail.. at the moment there isn't much more i could do
19:27:32	scorche	logbot: wow...how many alert modes do you go to? ;)
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19:31:52	godzirra	Slasheri: All good. It did crash. There isnt a specific track that causes it to fail like I said before.
19:32:25	godzirra	Slasheri: when pulp fiction was on there, it crashed at one of pulp fiction's tracks. Afterwards, it crashed on one of the Nip/Tuck tracks. The Nip/Tuck tracks had -never- caused a problem before
19:32:34	godzirra	so it has to be something other than the actual tracks causing it to crash
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19:34:20	markun	whois nineko
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19:34:34	markun	:)
19:39:38	XavierGr	hehe
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19:41:46	O11	I might look into the heat shrink tubes..
19:42:06	O11	i can always seal them better at a later point and just put some electrical tape on for now.. right?
19:42:25	O11	first wire has been soldered by the way..
19:43:11	linuxstb	godzirra: Have you run a scandisk or similar to check your disk is OK?
19:46:32	bluebrother	O11, you need to put the heat shrink tubes over the cables before soldering.
19:46:54	bluebrother	afterwards you won't be able adding them without unsoldering first
19:47:13	bluebrother	still, I don't think it's a good idea to solder ... the disassembly of the player isn't hard at all
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19:51:30	lamed	ah, from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion: Crossfade (iriver H1xx and H3xx series only) so I'm figuring: isn't there are crossfade &replygain code for ipod?
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19:51:54	nls	there is
19:52:06	Genre9mp3	Reading the latest manual commit.... Out of curiosity, how automatic pause works? Is there something special with the headphone socket on iPods?
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19:52:30	nls	it can detect presence of headphones
19:52:41	nls	(obviously)
19:52:58	lamed	nls: something important that isn't working on the ipod that I should know about before I get one?
19:53:14	lamed	(that is implemented already on other targets
19:53:24	nls	I don't have one but I think most general stuff works
19:53:31	nls	rolo doesn't
19:53:32	lamed	tt
19:53:35	Genre9mp3	nls: Well, yes...obviously.... so it's a hardware thing...
19:54:00	nls	Genre9mp3, yes and I don't think any other targets can do that.
19:54:21	Genre9mp3	I see...
19:56:13	linuxstb	lamed: One missing feature on the ipods is support for the proprietory ipod accessories - so don't buy any...
19:56:35	linuxstb	(or buy lots and work out how to control them)
19:56:38	Genre9mp3	I am wondering though if this could be implemented on irivers, too (not with just plain earphones... but when the remote is connected)
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19:57:03	Genre9mp3	Isn't the unit capable of detecting if the remote is plugged in?
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19:57:21	nls	Genre9mp3, yes it is
19:57:28	godzirra	linuxstb: I'm doing that now
19:57:50	nls	but what would happend if you don't use the remote?
19:58:06	linuxstb	nls: Then you don't enable the "pause on remote removal" option...
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19:58:29	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: exactly! :)
19:58:43	lamed	linuxstb: hehe... one day
19:58:50	nls	and how do you accidentially unplug the remote?
19:58:58	*	amiconn wonders who would unplug the remote just to pause playback
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19:59:10	nls	or that :)
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19:59:42	linuxstb	amiconn: Yes, I guess pressing pause on the remote would work...
19:59:52	Genre9mp3	amiconn: The earphones are plugged into the remote
20:00
20:00:31	*	amiconn wonders what this fact has to do with pause-on-remote-unplug
20:01:01	Genre9mp3	You can wonder the same for earphones... that's what I mean
20:01:16	amiconn	Yes
20:01:59	amiconn	I also wonder about this; I never accidentally unplugged my earphones, and if I deliberately want to unpause, I have to get my hands on the unit anyway
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20:02:42	amiconn	It's more convenient to press pause than to unplug, and unplugging by pulling on the cable isn't recommended even for straight plugs
20:03:09	Genre9mp3	amiconn: I agree on that
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20:03:38	Genre9mp3	I was just wondering if the feature would be technically possible for irivers, too
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20:04:10	petur	don't think so, it only has short-circuit detection
20:04:38	godzirra	linuxstb: It didnt find any errors doing a diskcheck... or at least if it did it didnt tell me it did :p
20:05:09	Genre9mp3	And if the feature is more aimed for "accidental unplugging" then yes... it wouldn't make sense at all on irivers cause it's really difficult to unplug the remote accidentally
20:05:16	amiconn	Genre9mp3: The feature woul dbe possible for archos recorder v1 and player, as long as the archos remote isn't used
20:06:18	*	Genre9mp3 isn't familiar with recorder v1 and player
20:06:37	Genre9mp3	But I guess there is some trickery on that...
20:07:01	amiconn	Not much
20:07:28	amiconn	These devices have a 4-ring 3.5mm jack. The 3rd ring is the remote control pin
20:08:06	Genre9mp3	I see...
20:08:08	amiconn	The remote control pin has a pullup resistor. Plugging a standard 3-ring 3.5mm plug short-circuits the remote control pin, i.e. pulls it low
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20:08:29	amiconn	This could be detected
20:08:44	ForgottenMemory	Anyone know how to organize music on Rockbox
20:09:00	nls	any way you like :)
20:09:21	ForgottenMemory	yea but like more of the apple os organized
20:09:23	Genre9mp3	amiconn: Probably something similar is for iPods, too? (4-ring jack)
20:09:46	Genre9mp3	Of course not remote related...
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20:11:15	obo	ForgottenMemory: see the TagCache wiki page
20:11:17	Davide-NYC	Question: in the View Audio Thread screen, what exactly does "track count" mean?
20:17:24	nls	tracks in the buffer?
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20:23:36	Davide-NYC	you sure?
20:23:51	Davide-NYC	so the larger the file the fewer files will fit in the buffer?
20:25:10	O11	FINISHED!!
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20:25:30	nls	pretty sure, wasn't it possible to skip from the audio thread screen before?
20:25:30	O11	it's all closed up now.. the connections are just sealed with some electrical tape.. for now..
20:26:02	nls	oh yeah up ;-)
20:26:02	O11	now to read the "how to prolong battery life" faq on misticriver =)
20:27:14	nls	Davide-NYC, try pressing down (or whatever button skips to the next song) in the audio thread screen and see the track count decrease
20:28:00	Davide-NYC	interesting
20:28:09	Davide-NYC	is this screen documented anywhere?
20:28:19	O11	should I do my first charge in rockbox or in the original firmware?
20:28:31	nls	No it's a debug screen ;-)
20:28:31	O11	and how do I know when it's finished charging?
20:28:38	godzirra	Slasheri: I'm copying -everything- off of my mp3 player, and installing just those 3 folders that had potential problems. (Rent, Pulp Fiction, Nip/Tuck)
20:28:41	godzirra	and trying tag cache again
20:29:23	O11	anyone know?
20:29:52	Davide-NYC	nls: I am of the opinion that displaying the name of the currently playing track, it's filetype and bitrate would be useful for Codec Performance testing accross multiple platforms
20:30:08	Davide-NYC	would this be hard to do?
20:30:14	Slasheri	godzirra: sounds great. lets hope you can reproduce the issue
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20:33:10	O11	huh?
20:35:02	Davide-NYC	011: I'mlate to the party, what target are you using?
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20:35:40	nls	Davide-NYC, I don't know but I think it shouldn't be difficult to show the filename.
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20:35:54	Davide-NYC	I'm going to poke around now see what I can do
20:36:03	Davide-NYC	O11: what target are you using?
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20:37:37	O11	Davide-NYC: target?
20:37:44	godzirra	Slasheri: Yeah, this weird randomness is driving me batty.
20:38:19	Davide-NYC	O11: what player
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20:39:11	O11	Davide-NYC: oh.. sorry.. it's a h300
20:39:23	Davide-NYC	the charging light will turn off
20:39:33	O11	charging light?
20:40:01	O11	i didn't know there was a charging light.. where?
20:40:36	Davide-NYC	I have an H1x0, it has a chaging lihgt. I presumed it existed for the H3x0
20:40:42	Davide-NYC	hmm
20:40:43	O11	nope =(
20:41:01	Davide-NYC	stupid answer = just leave it overnight
20:41:04	O11	i was just wondering if it said charging complete when it's full
20:41:05	Davide-NYC	:-)
20:41:19	O11	yeah.. i think i'll be doing that..
20:41:53	O11	IT WORKS!!
20:41:56	O11	thank god..
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20:43:27	lamed	hey
20:44:01	O11	lamed: hey
20:44:02	lamed	I think it's safe to say everything that isn't lcd_bitmap is lcd_charcells, isn't it?
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20:48:19	Davide-NYC	can someone help me with a snprintf()?
20:48:51	Davide-NYC	I want to display the currently playing filename on screen. Easy right?
20:49:45	Davide-NYC	Line 345 in apps/debug_menu.c we have snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "pcmbufdesc: %2d/%2d",pcmbuf_used_descs(), pcmbufdescs);
20:49:56	Davide-NYC	then an lcd_puts()
20:50:18	Davide-NYC	I want to add something similar after that displays the playing filename.
20:51:38	bluebrother	hmm. Is there a way to see all tasks I'm watching on FS?
20:52:27	obo	Davide-NYC: you can try using audio_current_track()->path - you'll need to make sure that audio.h is included
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20:53:19	Davide-NYC	what exactly does the %2d/%2d mean?
20:54:07	petur	writes two ints using 2 characters each
20:54:13	petur	with a slash inbetween
20:54:53	petur	to display a string wou would use %s
20:55:38	Davide-NYC	and those two int are what is in pcmbuf_used_descs() and pcmbufdescs respectively?
20:55:54	petur	yes
20:57:14	Davide-NYC	how's this look? snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "filename: %s", audio_current_track());
20:57:42	linuxstb_	audio_current_track() doesn't return the filename
20:58:01	Davide-NYC	what does?
20:58:02	petur	you need something that returns a char*
20:58:02	linuxstb_	It returns an mp3entry structure containing lots of info about the track (including the filename though)
20:58:13	Davide-NYC	that's better!
20:58:29	Davide-NYC	eventually I'd like to display filetype and bitrate
20:58:33	Davide-NYC	:-)
20:59:00	Davide-NYC	is audio_current_track() documented somewhere?
20:59:10	obo	firmware/export/ide3.h
20:59:14	linuxstb_	So you need to declare "struct mp3entry* id3;" and then do "id3 = audio_current_track();"
20:59:19	obo	* id3.h even
20:59:50	Davide-NYC	over my head currently
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21:00:20	linuxstb_	Davide-NYC: Whenever you want to know what a function in Rockbox does, just look at the source... audio_current_trackI() is defined in apps/playback.c and the mp3entry struct (as obo said) is in firmware/export/id3.h
21:01:04	Davide-NYC	I am still unfamiliar with the basic tools. I am reading the K&R standard C book but I'm still very new
21:01:21	Davide-NYC	how does one know where a particular funtion is defined?
21:02:14	obo	Davide-NYC: I find this (and variations on it) quite useful: find . -iname *.h \| xargs grep -n function_name_here
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21:03:08	Davide-NYC	woah, that *nix
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21:03:57	Davide-NYC	be back in 5 min after I peruse all the rewuisite help files.
21:05:11	Davide-NYC	what does the period after the find command do>?
21:06:00	lamed	xargs or iname?
21:06:22	lamed	nm
21:06:45	lamed	that means the corrent directory
21:08:21	Davide-NYC	same as ./ ?
21:09:00	lamed	afaik
21:11:01	Genre9mp3	bluebrother: Just a minor thing I just noticed in the manual... Since Tetrox is now renamed to Rockblox and since games are alphabetically sorted, Rockblox should be placed right after Pong and not where it is now
21:11:37	bluebrother	indeed. Haven't noticed that yet as I'm pretty short on time the last days.
21:12:11	linuxstb	Sounds like the kind of trivial fix I could do...
21:12:19	Genre9mp3	And...BTW...wow...Rockbox has 20 games? Just realised that! :)
21:12:32	Davide-NYC	don;t get me started
21:12:42	Davide-NYC	;-)
21:13:00	bluebrother	I'm really for divinging the plugins dir into categories ... too many plugins ;-)
21:13:33	Genre9mp3	Davide-NYC: I remember reading a post of you in the forums... I guess you weren't kiddin'... ;)
21:14:02	*	linuxstb commits the rockblox change to the manual
21:14:13	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: :)
21:14:48	lamed	davide-NYC - I hoped you complained over misticriver like I told you :P
21:15:10	Davide-NYC	nah, I'll just 'make it known' in a more subtle way around here.
21:15:23	Davide-NYC	ranting like a drip over time rather than a flood.
21:15:46	petur	got a problem then?
21:15:49	Davide-NYC	back to struct and what it really is etc.
21:16:51	lamed	what does va_end( ap ); does? it's gui related, and I just have to know where to put the command. I think it's right after the last time I use (ap) on the same function, right?
21:17:08	pixelma	bluebrother: speeking of it.. is there a reason why the mosaique plugin is named mosaic in the manual?
21:17:16	Davide-NYC	petur: not really, I'm just a recording and playback guy without coding talent and wishes more devs were of similar attitide.
21:17:22	petur	lamed: no, it's variable argument related
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21:18:03	lamed	?
21:18:19	bluebrother	none that I know of ... I guess it's simply a typo.
21:18:24	petur	Davide-NYC: well bad news: not only am I short of time, my dev disk crashed (not even 6 months old) so I'll need to replace that first :(
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21:18:42	Davide-NYC	what brand was it?
21:18:47	petur	Samsung
21:18:55	petur	Sp2504C
21:18:58	Davide-NYC	hmm, those are usually good.
21:19:02	petur	they are
21:19:03	pixelma	bluebrother: it's also the name of the tex-file
21:19:16	Davide-NYC	petur: word of caution: do not buy maxtor
21:19:26	*	petur sticks to samsung
21:19:40	petur	my other drive is almost 3 years old, no problems
21:19:48	Davide-NYC	they are generally quiet, more so than other brands
21:19:57	Davide-NYC	I swear by western digital
21:20:02	petur	the disk spins up and self-tests, just no connection on the SAT -> failed electronics
21:20:07	lamed	petur - care filling me up upon va_end or i should l00k it up?
21:20:17	*	Genre9mp3 agrees with Davide-NYC about maxtor
21:20:38	petur	lamed: no time, I leave in 15 minutes to tape a show ;)
21:20:52	hcs	linuxstb: finished the with patch test, ran 6 hours 47 minutes from 100% to 5%
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21:21:55	lamed	:)
21:22:55	hcs	now recharging for comparison, it wouldn't make sense to do it straight from CVS 'cause I know the thing won't run without freezing for that long...
21:23:26	hcs	so should I compare it with HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ removed?
21:23:32	Lear	lamed: put it after last ap use.
21:23:41	*	nls 's WD crashed a year ago ;-)
21:24:17	lamed	hehe
21:24:59	Davide-NYC	qq: where do I find a good example of pulling strings from an mp3entry struct?
21:25:13	Genre9mp3	Please...I don't want to know about crashed WDs...
21:25:20	hcs	maybe I'll throw the apple firmware back on, these batteries are getting pretty weak
21:25:46	Davide-NYC	filename, bitrate and codec info especially.
21:26:19	Lear	wps code?
21:26:44	Lear	gwps-common.c to be specific
21:27:17	Davide-NYC	sweet
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21:32:24	linuxstb	hcs: Yes, saw that in the logs.
21:32:35	hcs	ah, cool, sorry, didn't realize
21:33:13	linuxstb	That seems a reasonable runtime for a 4g.
21:33:41	hcs	yep, so now I'm wondering what I should do for comparison
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21:34:18	*	linuxstb commits a game bugfix to annoy Davide-NYC :)
21:34:26	Davide-NYC	LOL!
21:34:56	Lear	linuxstb: annoying, some data the aac decoder requires up front can be found after actual audio data...
21:35:13	Lear	don't really want to put all that decoding in metadata.c...
21:35:18	Bagder	"Seems everyone is too busy implementing rubbish like the demo's and stupid games"
21:35:21	Bagder	;-P
21:35:36	*	Bagder reads GoldenQuotes
21:35:37	linuxstb	Lear: Weird... I thought all the metadata was before the audio data in mp4...
21:36:53	lamed	I'm wondering on a line that says
21:37:05	lamed	# if defined(SIMULATOR)
21:37:13	lamed	sorry
21:37:20	lamed	#if \|\| defined(SIMULATOR)
21:37:24	lamed	screen->update();
21:37:38	Lear	Nope, that's not a requirement... In this particular file, the stsd atom is after the mdat... same goes for stsz and stts.
21:37:38	linuxstb	Bagder: Any thoughts on this? http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/HTML/new_rockbox.html
21:37:55	Bagder	linuxstb: I like it a lot
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21:38:01	lamed	i guess that in older times the simulator couldnt update?
21:38:02	linuxstb	Bagder: Will you do it?
21:38:15	Bagder	linuxstb: yeps, I'll do it during this week
21:38:32	linuxstb	Will the wiki need updating separately?
21:38:37	Bagder	yes
21:38:48	linuxstb	And I see Paul_The_Nerd has arrived just in time....
21:39:30	*	lamed asks everyone to take a look at his question
21:39:46	linuxstb	lamed: Which file is that in/
21:39:46	Paul_The_Nerd	Just in time?
21:39:57	lamed	splash
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21:40:16	pepie34	Hi
21:40:22	lamed	hi ho
21:40:24	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: Bagder just said he'll update the rockbox.org menu this week.
21:40:45	pepie34	How can I exclude a directory from the tagbase build ?
21:41:15	Paul_The_Nerd	Any objection to me doing it to the forums before it hits the main site, or should I wait?
21:41:39	Bagder	I don't mind, go ahead
21:41:46	Lear	lamed: in this case: the simulator always needs a screen update, even for the charcells version.
21:41:50	linuxstb	lamed: The Player sim needs lcd_update(), but the target doesn;t.
21:41:55	*	bluebrother was just about committing the correctly sorted Rockblox but noticed being too late
21:42:26	linuxstb	bluebrother: Sorry :) I did say I had done it...
21:42:40	bluebrother	never mind ;-)
21:43:32	lamed	the whole line is #if defined(HAVE_LCD_BITMAP) \|\| defined(SIMULATOR) \n screen->update();
21:44:07	*	bluebrother changed the name of mosai{c,que}
21:44:41	lamed	so i don't think it's about the player?
21:45:16	linuxstb	lamed: The only case where that #if is false is a real Player build.
21:45:20	lamed	nmnmnm
21:45:42	lamed	stupid me
21:45:50	Davide-NYC	in mp3entry->path[MAX_PATH] how does MAX_PATH work? I want to disply just the filename with extention
21:46:00	*	Paul_The_Nerd backs up the old theme, just in case he does something stupid.
21:46:03	Paul_The_Nerd	Again
21:46:25	*	bluebrother just closed FS #6090 which got fixed by linuxstb earlier :D
21:48:24	Lear	davide-nyc: locate last "/" and display from the next char, if found.
21:48:57	Davide-NYC	so I feed it an int?
21:49:02	Davide-NYC	path[1]?
21:49:34	*	Davide-NYC wished the debug screen 'worked' in the sim
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21:50:33	Lear	No, you use strrchr(mp3entry->path, '/'). If result is NULL, just print path, otherwise result + 1.
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21:52:55	Davide-NYC	Ah! MAX_PATH is a constant, defined elsewhere that is the maximum allowed path length. (prob target dependant) right?
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21:53:07	Davide-NYC	path is an array of chars
21:53:16	Lear	Yes.
21:53:33	Davide-NYC	slowly but surely people. less and less stupid everyday
21:53:38	Davide-NYC	:-P
21:53:58	linuxstb	You'll be able to write your own games soon...
21:54:31	Davide-NYC	next question (last for the day) if mp3entry->codectype return an int, where do I find the table that tells me (a human) what int is what codec?
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21:57:06	Davide-NYC	Lear: thanks, but not familiar with enum.
21:57:23	Davide-NYC	to pull a string to display in debug_menu.c what do I do?
21:57:29	Lear	unknown starts at 0, then add one for each item.
21:57:32	godzirra	Slasheri: ok, this is driving me freaking insane.
21:57:33	Davide-NYC	I've got the filename displaying
21:57:43	godzirra	Slasheri: The -first- time I ran it it didnt work with all of Pulp Fiction on there.
21:57:50	godzirra	so I took them off and added them 5 at a time
21:57:54	godzirra	I got the whole CD on
21:57:56	godzirra	and tag cache works
21:58:04	*	godzirra sighs.
21:58:09	Lear	table, or if, or switch to decode number to string.
21:58:18	Davide-NYC	snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "codectype: %s", id3->codectype); that's gonna display a number right?
21:58:31	Lear	"%d" will.
21:58:47	Davide-NYC	what will %s display?
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22:00:36	Paul_The_Nerd	Alright guys, forum updated
22:00:38	Lear	in this case, something completely different. :)
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22:01:36	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: Looks wrong to me...
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22:03:27	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: Try refreshing?
22:03:30	nls	the boxes are missing and the color of the links changed
22:03:46	linuxstb	Paul_The_Nerd: Better :)
22:04:01	Paul_The_Nerd	Some browsers don't happily update the .css in use.
22:04:02	nls	yeah nice :)
22:06:49	Davide-NYC	back in a few
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22:07:18	preglow	Paul_The_Nerd: are those "don't post here" forums a removal-in-progress, or?
22:07:59	Paul_The_Nerd	preglow: They contain old posts that I've been a bit slow on moving over to the new forums. They're mostly there now for when someone goes "Didn't there used to be a thread on..." and I realize I missed one that was important to bring over.
22:08:03	Paul_The_Nerd	Most members can't see them.
22:08:16	preglow	ahhh
22:08:17	preglow	ok
22:08:36	preglow	i thought they were visible for all
22:09:27	Paul_The_Nerd	Nah. Only certain groups see them. In case there's anything important there, but it's beginning to seem less and less like it's worth the time to sift through them all.
22:09:37	preglow	probably not, no
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22:10:19	*	tucoz notices a new menu on rockbox.org :)
22:10:24	linuxstb	I only realised a few days ago that I could hide them by clicking on the arrow next to the forum group title...
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22:11:17	tucoz	Should we add a link to the wiki if someone clicks bugreports now?
22:11:34	Paul_The_Nerd	I'll probably hide them from everyone but administrators sometime soon. I mostly had them visible to devs / experts to ease the transition for overlooked things. Now I imagine there aren't too many "lost" threads in them any more that people will ask about
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22:11:38	tucoz	Or wait until that page is written?
22:11:47	Kitt0s	hey, here is a stupid question
22:11:55	Kitt0s	do i add the patch after or before compling?
22:12:00	Paul_The_Nerd	Before.
22:12:53	linuxstb	Although it's a good idea to compile once - to make sure it all works, and then start applying the patches.
22:13:27	Paul_The_Nerd	Okay, I've hidden the "old" boards, I believe from everyone but admins, since they're not really of use any more but may still hide a few important things that got missed.
22:13:53	bluebrother	we have a new website menu? Nice :)
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22:17:06	tucoz	Bagder, are you fixing the webpage atm? In that case, could you chang 'Rockbox Logo' to 'Rockbox.org home' or something like that for the alt text?
22:17:15	Bagder	ah right
22:17:35	tucoz	that would be of interest to Paul_The_Nerd as well
22:18:13	*	Paul_The_Nerd wanders off to do that
22:18:20	linuxstb	Bagder: You may know this, but /download/ still has the old menu
22:18:47	*	linuxstb takes that back...
22:18:51	Bagder	fixed now
22:19:52	Paul_The_Nerd	tucoz: Fixed on the forums
22:20:01	tucoz	cool
22:20:06	tucoz	:)
22:20:26	linuxstb	Bagder: Thanks, but also /download/old.html
22:20:43	bluebrother	shouldn't "Daily Built Manuals" read "Build"?
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22:20:56	gaillard	is a developer here?
22:21:13	gaillard	i have a big old fat bug for you guys and can't seem to figure out how to report it
22:21:28	tucoz	Paul_The_Nerd, I have to ask you something (being from the US). I watched the first two rocky movies the other day, and rocky's coach talks with a funny accent. Similar to popeye. He says 'let's go to woik' and stuff like that
22:21:48	tucoz	Paul_The_Nerd, do you know what that accent is?
22:21:49	*	bluebrother is away for a bit
22:22:10	d0nut	lol I want to know too, lol
22:22:28	linuxstb	gaillard: What's the problem/
22:22:30	linuxstb	?
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22:22:38	d0nut	what tucoz said
22:22:49	gaillard	ok
22:22:51	d0nut	"I watched the first two rocky movies the other day, and rocky's coach talks with a funny accent. Similar to popeye. He says 'let's go to woik' and stuff like that"
22:22:58	Paul_The_Nerd	tucoz: I really couldn't say. I have never met a real human being that speaks like that. :)
22:22:59	gaillard	its with wavpack
22:23:15	gaillard	there is a bug where wavpack codec on my ipod color doesn't fill the buffer all the way up
22:23:29	Paul_The_Nerd	gaillard: Have you signed up at the flyspray page yet? There really is a link in the upper left to add a new task.
22:23:30	linuxstb	gaillard: Did you post in the forum about it?
22:23:33	preglow	tucoz: i thought that was stereotypical new york gangstah talk
22:23:37	gaillard	there for when it gets to zero the music cuts out and it fills a little ways (again not all the way up) and it does this over and over
22:23:47	gaillard	yes i did
22:23:51	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6796
22:23:52	gaillard	an administrator was helping me about it
22:24:10	gaillard	i registered but it won't send me the email for some reason
22:24:14	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb: For some odd reason his is only buffering 2mb at a time.
22:24:18	linuxstb	gaillard: I tested wavpack today (on my 5g) ipod after reading your post, and couldn't recreate the problem - the codec buffer gets to almost empty, and then refills. No gaps.
22:24:40	tucoz	preglow, but it's not really like that. It's not that new jersey gangster accent. it sounds more like a speach impediment
22:25:09	Paul_The_Nerd	tucoz: I think it's just supposed to be some sort of bastardized dockworker/sailer accent.
22:25:09	gaillard	its a new default installation
22:25:49	gaillard	is mine 5g i have no idea
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22:25:58	d0nut	does anyone know if there is a standard iriver style WPS for rockbox?
22:26:11	gaillard	but flac works fine and wavpack does this
22:26:12	tucoz	Paul_The_Nerd, that is probably what it is. Words such as; word, work, hurt etc, is woid, woik, hoit.
22:26:27	linuxstb	gaillard: If your boost is 100%, then there is something odd with your wavpack file. With my file, it's only about 25% boost.
22:26:32	Paul_The_Nerd	d0nut: If there's not one in the gallery, you could always make one.
22:26:49	tucoz	and popeye being a sailor, that is probably what it is. it was just funny to hear someone other that popeye talk like that :)
22:26:51	gaillard	so is the flac file i tested. they are good wavpack files... encoded like the docs say
22:27:08	d0nut	yeah I suppose, there is a really small selection of WPSs for the 5gb h10s anyway
22:27:21	linuxstb	gaillard: I don't use wavpack, so don't know the details, but I think there are some wavpack encoder settings which produce hard to decode files. Can you remember your encoder options?
22:27:29	gaillard	yes
22:27:35	gaillard	it is -h -m -x
22:27:45	gaillard	the x makes it asymetrical but that only affects encoding
22:28:02	gaillard	i have some non supported tags but that shouldn't effect anything
22:28:14	tucoz	see you
22:28:15	Paul_The_Nerd	"shouldn't" doesn't mean "won't"
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22:28:30	gaillard	well they aren't not allowed its just theres no display of them
22:28:38	gaillard	like i have cover_artist instead of artist
22:28:38	Paul_The_Nerd	Do you mean non-supported as in, not in the wavpack spec, or non-supported as in just ones we don't show in WPS?
22:28:47	gaillard	the latter
22:28:50	Paul_The_Nerd	Ah
22:29:27	gaillard	most of my wavpack files i encoded i think with like version 4.3 or so
22:29:36	gaillard	so not terribley out of date or anything wierd
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22:29:50	markun	Bagder: the menu in the wiki has some extra <p>'s
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22:29:54	webguest68	helo
22:30:03	gaillard	any idea?
22:30:26	preglow	gaillard: sample rate?
22:30:29	webguest68	anyone know how to start up rockbox once its on the iPod 5G
22:30:31	gaillard	44.1
22:30:31	preglow	number of channels?
22:30:33	webguest68	?
22:30:35	gaillard	2
22:30:36	preglow	ordinary cd audio?
22:30:37	preglow	ok
22:30:39	gaillard	yes
22:30:39	linuxstb	gaillard: I would try encoding without the -h and -x options and see if it makes any difference.
22:30:42	preglow	then this iv ery weird
22:30:46	gaillard	-h is default
22:30:49	preglow	-x should make no difference on decoding speed
22:30:53	preglow	-h will make an impact
22:30:57	gaillard	and i tried one without -x same thing
22:31:13	preglow	-h is not default, afaik
22:31:23	gaillard	let me check
22:31:38	linuxstb	Wasn't there some kind of wavpack files that originally didn't play in realtime on the ipod, and David Bryant did some optimisations for them?
22:31:56	preglow	-h, i believe
22:32:09	linuxstb	webguest68: What do you see when you turn your ipod on?
22:32:21	webguest68	the apple firmwire
22:32:32	linuxstb	Try holding MENU+SELECT to reboot.
22:32:39	webguest68	okay
22:32:43	webguest68	it rebooted
22:33:01	linuxstb	Is it loading Rockbox or the Apple firmware?
22:33:08	webguest68	apple firmwire
22:33:14	gaillard	i tried a wavpack file that just is -h and its the same thing
22:33:19	webguest68	is rockbox suppose to boot instead?
22:33:22	gaillard	everyone uses -h if its lossless
22:33:29	gaillard	it slows by a factor of two the specs say
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22:33:54	Paul_The_Nerd	And a factor of two is a lot on a tiny processor.
22:34:03	gaillard	but enough to cause this
22:34:12	gaillard	?
22:34:15	rconan	probably
22:34:22	gaillard	i mean flac works fine in the highest setting
22:34:29	gaillard	and thats slower than -h wavpack
22:34:33	linuxstb	webguest68: Yes. Do you see a light-blue screen with black writing before the Apple firmware starts, or does it just start the Apple firmware immediately?
22:34:34	Paul_The_Nerd	Says who?
22:34:53	webguest68	hold i think i know what i did wrong
22:34:53	Paul_The_Nerd	gaillard: What evidence do you have that -h wavpack is faster than flac at level 8 on Rockbox?
22:35:00	webguest68	lemme try and reinstall it
22:35:07	gaillard	hey i don't mean on rockbox... :P
22:35:14	lamed	it somehow seems weird that the light blue text are not linking to anything. they look more like "click me!" then seperators.
22:35:15	Paul_The_Nerd	Well that's the only place it matters.
22:35:25	gaillard	and i have no control over that
22:35:36	gaillard	wavpack is faster than flac with the same compression
22:35:45	Paul_The_Nerd	Not on Rockbox
22:35:54	rconan	gaillard: why not just try without the -h to check that's not the problem
22:36:00	gaillard	can that not be fixed
22:36:00	Paul_The_Nerd	The Rockbox flac codec is very significantly faster than the wavpack one.
22:36:26	webguest68	just making sure is all you have to do to install rockbox on 5G iPod is just copy and paste the ALL of the folders in the root of th iPod
22:36:33	Paul_The_Nerd	And seeing as the original wavpack designer has done a lot of the work on the wavpack codec, I can only assume that it's not an easy thing to be fixed, and that maybe wavpack isn't faster in fixed point low-memory environments
22:36:33	webguest68	?
22:36:41	rconan	webguest68: no
22:36:53	gaillard	hmm
22:36:53	rconan	you need to install a bootloader
22:36:57	webguest68	how
22:37:02	webguest68	like loader 2
22:37:04	Paul_The_Nerd	The instructions in the manual, perhaps?
22:37:09	linuxstb	webguest68: Read the install instructions in the manual. Or you may want to try the unofficial installer here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6757.0
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22:37:17	gaillard	ill be back
22:37:21	rconan	webguest68: yeah
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22:38:24	Nico_P	hi everyone
22:39:05	Nico_P	is anyone who has a clue about the AAC/MP4 codec online ?
22:39:14	webguest68	sorry for acting like such a noob this is my 1st time using rockbox
22:39:21	webguest68	is am a previous linux user
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22:39:46	Paul_The_Nerd	Nico_P: The general consensus is that "it's worse than we'd like, and we're hoping ffmpeg has something nice for us soon" I think. :-P
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22:40:40	Nico_P	well with the latest optimisations i was hoping i could listen to podcasts on my H320
22:40:52	Nico_P	only they are in a weird format rockbox doesn't like
22:41:00	Nico_P	so i started investigationg ways around this
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22:41:24	webguest13	hey
22:41:25	Nico_P	but now my files just make rockbox crash :p
22:42:28	Nico_P	i've tried extracting the raw aac stream and then repacking it into MP4 but without any luck so far
22:42:41	webguest13	anyone here have any previous experience with iPod linux?????????
22:42:52	Paul_The_Nerd	You're in #rockbox, not #ipodlinux
22:43:03	webguest13	i know im just wondering
22:43:07	Nico_P	so i was hoping someone could tell me what tool i can use to create an MP4 file that will work
22:43:34	Paul_The_Nerd	webguest13: Why not just seek support in the proper place?
22:43:49	Paul_The_Nerd	Nico_P: I believe the only way known to consistently create playable files is using iTunes to encode them
22:43:56	webguest13	w/e
22:44:09	linuxstb	Nico_P: I think Lear is investigating the mp4 parser, so he may know. But he's not here...
22:44:15	webguest13	sorry this is my first ever time using this
22:44:56	webguest13	im installing the unoffical installer of rockbox i was wondering do i need to end some applicatoions in order for this to work right
22:44:56	Nico_P	Paul_The_Nerd: that's a shame, i'd like to avoid encoding, since i already have an aac stream
22:45:04	linuxstb	Nico_P: There's a patch on flyspray which may help.
22:45:13	Nico_P	if i were to encode, i'd do it directly to MP3
22:45:27	Nico_P	linuxstb: thanks, i'll try that
22:46:05	linuxstb	webguest13: Rockbox is just a single download - all the applications are installed together.
22:46:07	Nico_P	actually i thought it would've been committed by now
22:46:41	linuxstb	I think Lear is still working on it. Also, I don't think there's been much (if any) feedback to say if it helps or not.
22:47:02	Genre9mp3	webguest13: The only seperate download that you'll need is the fonts
22:47:15	webguest13	sweet thanks
22:47:46	Nico_P	linuxstb: well he answered a post of mine in the forum this evening so i assume he hasn't completly disappeared
22:48:01	Nico_P	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6748.0
22:48:13	linuxstb	No, he's still around, just not here at this moment.
22:48:17	Nico_P	ok
22:48:29	webguest13	so can rockbox run programs like i
22:48:33	webguest13	iDoom
22:48:35	webguest13	and iBoy
22:48:43	Nico_P	he didn't even mention his patch in the post he made :(
22:48:50	Nico_P	i'll try it
22:49:08	linuxstb	webguest13: The manual has a list of "plugins" that run with Rockbox - http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
22:50:07	webguest13	so how do i install those
22:50:41	hcs	linuxstb: any suggestions for further tests I should run once I get my ipod recharged?
22:50:42	Paul_The_Nerd	webguest13: Remember when linuxstb told you that everything is installed together?
22:50:45	linuxstb	webguest13: Everything in the manual comes with the initial installation.
22:50:46	Nico_P	well i'm off to boot linux now then
22:50:53	Nico_P	bye and thx
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22:54:42	webguest13	totally random question: whose gonna win the superbowl this year?
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22:55:20	linuxstb	What's the superbowl?
22:55:23	rconan	webguest13: the patriots obvioiusly
22:55:30	webguest13	haha
22:56:05	webguest13	i say the bears
22:56:12	rconan	we shall see
22:56:20	Paul_The_Nerd	I say American Football can bite me.
22:56:25	webguest13	fuck you
22:56:31	webguest13	u canadian
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22:56:40	webguest13	are u canadian
22:56:52	Paul_The_Nerd	Not even close
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22:56:58	webguest13	then?
22:57:02	mhite	hello
22:57:26	rconan	the bears are 4-0-0 which is definitely a good start
22:57:43	webguest13	yea i know grossmans doin beastly
22:57:56	*	linuxstb threatens to start talking about cricket
22:58:04	*	Paul_The_Nerd points out again that this it #rockbox, and not #guyshittingeachother.
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22:58:47	webguest13	rockbox is taking forever to install
22:58:55	*	rconan notices that theres no rockbox discussion going on otherwise he wouldnt be talking about american football
22:59:01	rconan	scratch that there is now
22:59:03	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: LOL
22:59:20	webguest13	it pissin me off
22:59:37	mhite	any 4g greyscale ipod rockbox users here?
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23:00:14	linuxstb	mhite: No, but I have a Photo - it's very similar.
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23:00:34	Paul_The_Nerd	webguest13: It took me less than a minute to install. Blame whoever wrote the unofficial installer, and go and complain to them.
23:00:36	webguest13	who do you thinks gonna win the BCS
23:01:17	mhite	Tried to install today's build and now I can't boot it or mount the drive
23:01:23	mhite	Any ideas of what to do?
23:01:27	linuxstb	Anyone know if CPUFREQ_DEFAULT is used on the ipods?
23:01:38	Paul_The_Nerd	mhite: What sort of player?
23:01:44	linuxstb	mhite: What happens when you try to boot? Does it just freeze?
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23:02:51	amiconn	Bagder: around?
23:03:02	*	amiconn has a license compatibility question...
23:03:03	mhite	Paul it's a 4g IPod greyscale
23:03:32	Paul_The_Nerd	mhite: And you can't get it to boot into emergency disk mode, or are you saying it won't mount in that mode?
23:03:35	mhite	linxstb: right now the battery is dead
23:03:57	mhite	linuxstb: but when it had some juice it actually froze at the rockbox boot screen, right after saying it had loaded the firmware
23:04:15	linuxstb	mhite: That would stop it working... You need to hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY to force it into disk mode. From there, you can charge or try a different Rockbox build.
23:04:36	linuxstb	Something else that's always worth trying is to force a settings reset - turn the hold switch on as your ipod is booting.
23:04:51	mhite	Okay, I hold down play and middle button, right?
23:05:20	mhite	Any suggestions on a build people have had luck with?
23:05:48	mhite	seems the ipod is a tricky platform for the rockbox
23:06:52	linuxstb	mhite: Wait a few minutes, I would like to give you a test build which hopefully fixes the 4g stablity issue.
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23:08:45	mhite	Linuxstb: will do
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23:11:26	mhite	using a real irc client now
23:12:40	linuxstb	OK, I'm just about to start compiling for you.
23:16:15	mhite	I had a <somewhat> working version from about a month ago...
23:16:34	linuxstb	mhite: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-4gtest.zip
23:17:17	webguest13	in order to install rockbox manually: is all you have to do is install the loader 2 and copy and paste the rockbox files in the root of the iPod
23:17:22	linuxstb	That's a current cvs build with the last patch from here applied: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095
23:18:47	hcs	webguest13: you could install rockbox manually by installing the rockbox bootloader, too...
23:19:08	webguest13	but could u also loader2 ?
23:19:16	hcs	yes
23:19:30	webguest13	excatly what files do u need
23:19:38	hcs	for rockbox?
23:19:45	webguest13	could u give me a link for 5G iPod files please
23:19:45	webguest13	?
23:19:55	webguest13	yes
23:19:58	mhite	linuxstb: copying to the ipod nwo
23:20:03	mhite	nwo=now
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23:20:28	hcs	webguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip
23:21:10	mhite	linuxstb: well it booted this time
23:21:11	mhite	:)
23:21:18	mhite	today's build didn't even boot for me
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23:21:52	linuxstb	mhite: That's good. Please let us know how you get on - hopefully that build will prove to be stable.
23:23:21	mhite	If I hold "MENU" while plugging in the Ipod cable, aren't I supposed to be able to have the interface open and be in disk mode?
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23:24:18	hcs	mhite: holding menu prevents rockbox from rebooting into disk mode when you connect the cable
23:24:37	hcs	there is no disk mode for ipods in rockbox yet
23:25:26	lamed	guys, do you think I should go "#if (LCD_WIDTH > 255) \n unsigned short widths[10]; \n #else \n unsigned char widths[10]; or is it better to save up on the ifdefs? (and use only the 'unsigned short')
23:25:43	mhite	Ah, so holding MENU allows charging while still be able to use the interface
23:25:55	hcs	mhite: correct
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23:27:34	lamed	anyone?
23:28:19	mhite	linuxstb: will let you know how this one holds up? what symptoms should i be on the lookout for?
23:28:55	mhite	yikes that just rebooted while i was initializing the tag cache
23:30:22	mhite	battery was low, though (although i have it plugged into usb)
23:31:06	hcs	in heavy usage it can use more than it can get over usb
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23:31:38	hcs	500mA, I don't know if the power supply is also thus limited
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23:32:05	webguest13	anyone know how to get back to the apple firmwire from rockbox
23:32:56	Soap_OutOfTown	there are instructions for removing the bootloader in the wiki
23:33:59	Paul_The_Nerd	hcs: In Rockbox, I believe it only gets 100 over USB, actually.
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23:34:43	lamed	should I ask again? ah, nope, I'll just do whatever I think :)
23:35:58	hcs	Paul_The_Nerd: interesting, its listed as 500mA on lsusb
23:36:04	Paul_The_Nerd	"lsusb"?
23:36:18	Paul_The_Nerd	Ah, nevermind
23:36:49	Paul_The_Nerd	hcs: Are you actually in Rockbox (held Menu while plugging in) or are you in disk mode / apple?
23:37:02	hcs	Paul_The_Nerd: ah, I reread your message, it is quite possible that it only gets 100mA in rockbox, the number I recalled was from when in disk mode
23:37:20	webguest13	does putting rockbox on an iPod 5G COMPLETELY remove the apple firmware
23:37:21	webguest13	?
23:37:30	hcs	only if you set it up that way
23:37:47	Soap_OutOfTown	Can I use the Rockboy pluggin from current CVS w/o upgrading my entire build? Or are they attached-at-the-hip?
23:37:47	Paul_The_Nerd	webguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
23:38:08	Paul_The_Nerd	Soap_OutOfTown: They're attached at the hip, but sometimes you can get away with it.
23:39:45	Soap_OutOfTown	Then I bet it won't work. I'm using an old build w/the scroll acceleration patch, and mid-august was before quite a few button changes. I was hopeful the pluggin was more "independant"
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23:41:24	linuxstb_	Soap_OutOfTown: It depends how old your build is. The plugin API changed when I added the absolute wheel position patch about a week ago.
23:42:39	Soap_OutOfTown	yep, too old it sounds. I was hopeful for the "best of both worlds" = scroll acceleration patch + absolute wheel position
23:45:48	mhite	linuxstb: when i rebuild my tagcache it reboots... however just listening to it w/o starting to tagcache seems to be ok so far
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23:48:24	hcs	hmm, I haven't tried building the tagcache with the patch, in fact I've never generated the tagcache on rockbox, I always pregenerate it offline
23:48:29	linuxstb_	mhite: That's probably just your low battery - building tagcache will spin the disk for a long time.
23:49:16	mhite	linuxstb: think so? this is with it plugged into the usb port
23:49:47	hcs	as noted, usb only provides about 100mA
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23:51:09	hcs	you might to leave it charging in disk mode for a while
23:54:52	mhite	OH
23:54:53	mhite	I see.
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23:58:19	mhite	Is the a win32 exe to generate the tagcache?
23:58:24	mhite	Is the=is there
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23:58:38	hcs	just perl

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