00:10:53 | mhite | that works :) |
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00:11:15 | Beaulieu | Hey |
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00:25:23 | lamed | amiconn:around? |
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00:27:00 | Beaulieu | I mseed the ipod up lol |
00:27:16 | Beaulieu | I did it to my nano and it was fine then I do it to this video and it doesnt work |
00:27:28 | Beaulieu | I get the Use itunes to restore screen |
00:27:47 | Beaulieu | And I also lost the bootpartition.bin |
00:28:52 | lamed | i've been going over and over the token based concation in splash and in solitaite, but I can't find any justification of checking "if(!first) {". anyone here to assist? |
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00:32:33 | Beaulieu | <Beaulieu> I did it to my nano and it was fine then I do it to this video and it doesnt work |
00:32:33 | Beaulieu | <Beaulieu> I get the Use itunes to restore screen |
00:32:33 | Beaulieu | <Beaulieu> And I also lost the bootpartition.bin |
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00:32:33 | Beaulieu | <lamed> i've been going over and over the token |
00:32:59 | linuxstb | lamed: To answer your earlier question, I would just use "int" for an array that small. |
00:33:37 | lamed | so don't mess the code up with the ifdefs? |
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00:34:03 | linuxstb | Beaulieu: You have to be more specific than "it doesn't work" if you want someone to be able to help. |
00:34:29 | lamed | (linuxstb) |
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00:34:49 | linuxstb | lamed: Where is the array declared? If it's in a plugin, or a local variable (i.e. assigned on the stack) then I would definitely not worry about saving a few bytes. |
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00:35:49 | lamed | again, it's the splash function. and yeah, it's definetely is just a few bytes. so great. but now I'm struggling with something else, 2sec |
00:36:05 | webguest38 | quick hack for gradient menu selector: http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1457/menugradienths7.png |
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00:36:35 | linuxstb | webguest38: Looks nice - in what way is it a hack? |
00:38:01 | Nico_P | for those interested, here are my results on AAC... with the MP4 parsing improvements patch applied, my MP4 files now load, display the right length but then immediatly stop without a sound |
00:38:34 | Nico_P | the files were created with mp4creator and dbPowerAmp under windows |
00:38:57 | Nico_P | renaming the raw aac stream to MP4 doesn't work either, unsurprisingly |
00:39:32 | Nico_P | so now i don't really know what to try |
00:39:41 | Nico_P | especially as i don't really want to install itunes |
00:40:05 | Soap_OutOfTown | You can install the Nero AAC encoder for free, |
00:40:06 | webguest38 | linuxstb: just a quick implementation.. added a new style ("STYLE_GRADIENT") to lcd_puts_scroll_style_offset() which is using a new function lcd_gradientrect() with hardcoded colors.. need to add the colors as a global setting.. |
00:40:20 | Soap_OutOfTown | Senab posted a link to it yesterday in this channel. |
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00:40:52 | Nico_P | Soap_OutOfTown: i'll look for it, thanks |
00:40:58 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think you'll just need to be patient and wait for Lear to work his magic. |
00:41:22 | Nico_P | well i hope i can be helpful to him |
00:41:35 | Nico_P | at least i found out some things about mpeg4 |
00:41:44 | webguest38 | linuxstb: anyway, i think the rockbox ui is need a lot more colors and design.. and this is a simple step in that direction |
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00:42:31 | linuxstb | webguest38: I agree - but that needs to be balanced with keeping the code lean. We don't want to slow down the UI, or waste CPU (and therefore battery). |
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00:45:09 | webguest38 | linuxstb: true |
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00:50:57 | Davide-NYC | soap |
00:51:18 | Davide-NYC | I wrote a tiny piece of code to add to the patch senab did |
00:52:04 | Davide-NYC | can you let him know and see if he thinks it's a good idea for the codec performance tesat? |
00:52:07 | Davide-NYC | *test |
00:52:33 | Davide-NYC | Soap_OutOfTown: look here ^^^ |
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00:54:18 | Davide-NYC | oops I forgot the link! −−> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6786.msg52868#msg52868 |
00:55:11 | Davide-NYC | going out, back in 30min |
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01:21:13 | Terinjokes | any coolness going on in rockbox lately? |
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01:35:46 | O11 | hey |
01:36:12 | O11 | how long do you think i should leave my h300 charging for for its first charge? |
01:36:45 | O11 | (with a replacement 2200 MhA battery) |
01:36:58 | O11 | will it actually say that's it's fully charged? |
01:38:05 | Genre9mp3 | 011: Maybe it will take some time (more than expected) but it _will_ actually say that it's fully charged. Don't worry |
01:38:39 | O11 | really? that's good to know.. I haven't been charging it for long yet.. I was just wondering.. |
01:39:12 | Genre9mp3 | How long is it now? |
01:39:21 | O11 | in the manual it says the charging indicator lamp will switch off.. |
01:39:31 | O11 | but there isn't one is there? |
01:39:39 | O11 | Genre9mp3: erm.. |
01:39:54 | O11 | Genre9mp3: maybe 5 hours? |
01:40:08 | O11 | or 4.. i'm not sure.. |
01:40:16 | O11 | anyway.. i'm leaving it charging overnight |
01:40:53 | Genre9mp3 | Well I wouldn't expect it to charge more than 6 hours... |
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01:41:34 | O11 | well.. overnight should do the trick then =) |
01:41:41 | Genre9mp3 | Though, what indicator lamp are you refering to? |
01:41:47 | O11 | then I can do a nice battery bench test on it.. |
01:42:01 | O11 | Genre9mp3: i'm not refering to it.. the manual is.. |
01:42:35 | Genre9mp3 | Well indicator leds are only on H100 not H300 |
01:43:28 | O11 | so the manuals wrong then.. |
01:43:39 | O11 | hmm.. strange.. |
01:43:55 | Genre9mp3 | You charge it with Rockbox? |
01:44:11 | O11 | should I? |
01:44:24 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...why not? |
01:44:55 | O11 | well.. I'd have to start the player first.. and your not supposed to use it before fully charging.. |
01:45:42 | O11 | why should I charge in rockbox? |
01:45:50 | Genre9mp3 | So you are using retailOS at the moment.... |
01:45:59 | Genre9mp3 | It makes no difference.... |
01:46:13 | Genre9mp3 | Doesn't the screen showing that it's charging, then? |
01:46:26 | O11 | well.. retail firmware starts automatically when you plug it in.. so that's what I'm using.. |
01:46:44 | O11 | yes.. the screen shows it's charging.. |
01:47:08 | O11 | did something I say make you think that it didn't? |
01:47:26 | Genre9mp3 | OK...then you'll just see the "Complete!" message when it ends |
01:47:45 | Genre9mp3 | Nothing...you just talked about a led at first...that's why |
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01:55:18 | Beaulieu | Hey people, Little problem |
01:56:04 | lamed | whoops... i think i just... ho yeah. i commited the right file but without the message! |
01:56:08 | lamed | what do I do? |
01:56:34 | O11 | Genre9mp3: I was talking about an led because the manual refered to an led.. I was confused as to why.. |
01:57:01 | lamed | any dev awake? |
01:57:10 | XavierGr | lamed obviously you are screwed! LOL (joking) |
01:57:25 | lamed | anything I can do about it? |
01:57:48 | XavierGr | I wish I could help but I don't have any experience with CVS commit command |
01:57:49 | Genre9mp3 | 011: Ok...then probably the manual is wrong |
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01:58:10 | lamed | i thought so |
01:58:12 | Beaulieu | I installed Rockbox on an Ipod Video 60gig, now when I attempt to turn it on, I get a screen telling me to connect to my computer and restore it using itunes. The problem is that my computer freezes everytime I plug the ipod into and the restore software will not work. (it freezes) As soon as I unplg the ipod I receive the message (on my computer) "Could not mount Ipod" I also made the mistake of not saving my |
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02:08:27 | lamed | umm, that would go to all of you sleepy developers that might actually put the description into the file somehow (resubmit it?) (metadata: linux, linuxstb,bagder,amiconn,preglow,zagor) |
02:08:57 | lamed | improved code for the splash function: spare some calculation, fix a bug for screens wider then 255 (ipod 5g), fix FS #5775 by displaying complete lines instead of word by word. |
02:09:08 | lamed | 02:08 am, good night |
02:09:28 | O11 | g'night |
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02:11:57 | Moos | amiconn: hi, around? |
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02:13:27 | Moos | the last barry's commit remind me that we don't have (IIRC) diskpoweroff option code for iaudios |
02:13:46 | Moos | that is still the case? |
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02:15:36 | Moos | hi jhMikeS |
02:15:55 | Moos | I was just asking question to amiconn about iaudios |
02:16:08 | Moos | and the disk poweroff option |
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02:16:27 | jhMikeS | hello |
02:16:27 | midkay | omg Moos. |
02:16:43 | Moos | how goes man? |
02:16:48 | Moos | hi midkay !! |
02:16:54 | Moos | how goes too? :) |
02:17:00 | jhMikeS | ok, had to get an MRI on my back today :( |
02:17:29 | Moos | ouch :( |
02:18:58 | midkay | Moos: :DDDD good, you?! |
02:19:05 | midkay | jhMikeS: !? :( |
02:19:19 | jhMikeS | yes? MRI's don't hurt BTW :) |
02:19:43 | jhMikeS | what about disk poweroff? |
02:20:03 | midkay | is that a bad thing? :) |
02:20:06 | midkay | @ MRIs. |
02:20:11 | midkay | doesn't that mean you're broken!? |
02:20:47 | jhMikeS | midkay: no just left leg and low back driving me nuts |
02:20:58 | Moos | I remenber when amiconn said us the stats comparaison btw with and without this feature, and he said the feature wasn't enabled yet |
02:21:21 | Moos | and I don't remenber one commit in that way, or did I miss something? |
02:22:03 | Moos | grrr, have to go out, I will read the logs, have a good day/night all |
02:22:16 | jhMikeS | Moos: you mean the ATI chip poweroff not the disk spindown? (I'm rather unfamiliar with that part of rb) |
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02:23:10 | jhMikeS | the navbar on the website looks different |
02:24:08 | jhMikeS | or am I nuts? |
02:24:34 | hcs | can it be both? |
02:24:44 | pixelma | jhMikeS: read the "news"... |
02:24:59 | midkay | OMG! |
02:25:18 | jhMikeS | just woke up...and it could be both |
02:25:54 | jhMikeS | went straight here |
02:28:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
02:28:21 | * | jhMikeS read the "news" and is glad his sanity is in tact somewhat :) |
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02:38:42 | Doomed | hey |
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02:45:50 | Doomed | quick question, is anybody working on getting rockbox on the 5.5g ipod? i might pick up one this week if somebody is |
02:50:20 | RoC_MM | what is 5.5g? |
02:51:07 | jhMikeS | There's a 5g (Video) port it seems (4g and higher mentioned). I don't know much more than that. |
02:51:34 | Doomed | 5.5 is the new model with the brighter screen |
02:51:47 | Doomed | and its the 5.5 is the one with 80gb |
02:52:25 | pixelma | Doomed: there is a thread about it in the forums. |
02:53:41 | Doomed | yeah i know |
02:53:59 | Doomed | theres not really one person saying they are working on it im jw |
02:54:43 | * | jhMikeS is "normalizing" his goofy config file thing for the codecs that got some objections :) |
02:54:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, instead they actually talk about how much work has already been done so far... |
02:55:42 | Doomed | ahhhh its always an argument |
02:57:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of the 5.5g progress is already there. I don't think anyone of the core devs is currently working on it, and most of the people there don't frequent this channel. |
02:57:53 | Doomed | k thanks for the answer |
02:57:55 | Soap_OutOfTown | There are still issues regarding the 512:2048 shift, multiple people are attacking the problem from multiple angles |
02:58:46 | Soap_OutOfTown | To imagine that there is no effort on the player with the largest number of sales is just silly. |
02:59:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just that most of the core Rockbox devs already have their MP3 players and aren't going to run out for an incremental update. New people are always free to work on new players. |
02:59:34 | Doomed | im guessing you cant just format it to 512 sectors? |
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03:00:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I imagine that would cause issues with the builtin parts of the apple firmware. |
03:00:45 | jhMikeS | Was just gonna ask what that meant...now I remember quickly seeing some discussion about the prob |
03:01:16 | Doomed | i dont know if i should get a new mp3 because im in the market for one |
03:02:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the iPods still get pretty poor battery life under Rockbox. |
03:02:14 | Doomed | hmmm |
03:02:18 | Soap_OutOfTown | My summary of all I've read here is that the 5.5G will come much sooner than the nano 2nd gen. |
03:02:42 | Soap_OutOfTown | I get ~10 hours. Long enough for a workday. |
03:02:49 | Doomed | ive got my H120 but i need like a 60-80 gb with color screen |
03:02:55 | Doomed | and i just hate itunes |
03:03:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity, why do you "need" a color screen? |
03:03:08 | Soap_OutOfTown | then use anapod |
03:03:12 | Soap_OutOfTown | sharepod |
03:03:14 | Soap_OutOfTown | yamipod |
03:03:20 | Soap_OutOfTown | ephpod |
03:03:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd suggest the iAudio X5 if you're moving up from an H120 then. |
03:03:32 | Soap_OutOfTown | any of the dozen of working itunes replacements |
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03:04:06 | Doomed | its easier for me to read the screen |
03:04:23 | Doomed | and i just want a color screen |
03:04:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, I'd suggest the X5 over the iPod |
03:04:37 | * | jhMikeS is looking to buy an H1xx for dev purposes and for spdif |
03:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I personally fine the H120's screen one of the easiest to read on almost anything I own. |
03:05:06 | Soap_OutOfTown | I'll say right now as the ower of a 5g ipod, 4th gen ipod, and a variety of monochrome flash players, a colour screen makes it harder to read outside. Monochrome wins outdoors. |
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03:06:19 | jhMikeS | doomed: not for sale? :) |
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03:06:34 | Doomed | nah |
03:06:38 | Doomed | not yet anyway |
03:08:25 | Doomed | x5 is only 30gb max? |
03:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | x5L is 30gb max |
03:10:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | x5 comes in 60gb |
03:10:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The L sacrifices the additional capacity of a dual platter drive for a physically larger battery with much greater life |
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03:13:28 | Doomed | ehh |
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03:20:35 | Doomed | hard choice damn |
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03:50:24 | Doomed | bah i really wish iriver came out with bigger hd players |
03:54:12 | Soap_OutOfTown | used H340 + 80 gig drive |
03:56:18 | Doomed | thats really expensive though |
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04:09:08 | JdGordon | lol @ the latest news item on the website |
04:09:34 | JdGordon | there's been no "bigger" news ?! |
04:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, nothing outside of the changelog, right? |
04:16:38 | JdGordon | the changelog is anoying |
04:18:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, there haven't been any major new features that are newsworthy anyway, right? |
04:18:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe the scheduler would've been news, but nobody reads the front page anyway, in the end. |
04:18:58 | JdGordon | maybe so |
04:19:58 | JdGordon | anywho.. uni time |
04:20:00 | * | JdGordon goned |
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04:34:24 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I am about to apply your samplerate recording patch to my H1x0 build and do some testing... |
04:34:26 | jhMikeS | I got laughed at for not reading the "news" |
04:34:38 | Davide-NYC | is there anything you want to look for in particular? |
04:34:40 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: You read the little writeup? |
04:35:07 | Davide-NYC | on FS? |
04:35:10 | jhMikeS | yes |
04:35:33 | jhMikeS | Do test all the sample rates from the recording screen too of course |
04:35:43 | Davide-NYC | OK |
04:35:55 | Davide-NYC | If I have any trouble I'll buzz here |
04:36:44 | jhMikeS | I'm doing a rework of the way encoder settings are stored though since i caught some flac about it. +-) Shouldn't take long and won't affect the testing in any way though. |
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04:37:45 | sharpe | allo. |
04:37:54 | Davide-NYC | oi |
04:38:14 | sharpe | i've been away a while... |
04:39:26 | * | scorche quietly puts away all of the celebratory banners that have been up for a month or so |
04:39:44 | sharpe | haha |
04:41:01 | sharpe | well, i just stopped by to say hi... and then to leave again. kinda pointless really. |
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04:42:40 | sharpe | anyway, bye everyone. |
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04:42:44 | midkay | you've "been away for a while" several times these past weeks.. are you finally on the verge of leaving us?! |
04:42:44 | jhMikeS | ereh |
04:42:54 | midkay | maybe it's better he didn't see that. |
04:42:55 | midkay | :E |
04:42:57 | scorche | too late.. |
04:43:09 | scorche | i still dont understand that emoticon... |
04:43:19 | scorche | well, i do |
04:43:21 | Doomed | moustach? |
04:43:21 | scorche | but dont |
04:46:05 | jhMikeS | variant of :P but with malefaction? |
04:48:06 | midkay | it's like.. sigh. you just have to picture someone doing it to really get it. i can't describe it.. like a mouth open with wide eyes and teeth sticking out. almost like surprise but not really. kind of an outlandish expression. |
04:48:11 | midkay | or a grimace. |
04:48:35 | jhMikeS | >8^E |
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04:49:43 | jhMikeS | $-# |
04:49:44 | midkay | haha. exactly. but not quite so wide-eyed. |
04:49:48 | midkay | just wider-than-normal. |
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04:57:38 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: is there a reason i dont see the old forums anymore? |
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05:02:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yeah. They're still there, but I decided to just go ahead and hide them from everyone for the time being. Requests for moved threads have died out, so it seemed it wasn't worth cluttering everyone's screens with them. I'm not planning on deleting them though. |
05:03:26 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: no sim support for the big patch yet huh? |
05:03:29 | Davide-NYC | :=) |
05:04:08 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i liked having them there anyways...and if people wanted them hidden, there is always the black arrow to click on |
05:06:14 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: Where do you want me to report bugs? |
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05:06:22 | Davide-NYC | FS or forum? |
05:06:43 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: any chance of bringing them back with them defaulted to hidden? |
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05:06:59 | scorche | as in defaulted so the black arrow isnt expanded |
05:07:09 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: The menus work on the sim |
05:07:27 | jhMikeS | at least I checked it on x5 but what else should there be? |
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05:07:56 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: You can put it up in FS I guess |
05:08:13 | Davide-NYC | aybe the forum is better? |
05:08:17 | Davide-NYC | *maybe |
05:08:45 | Davide-NYC | I changed samplrate from 44 to 88, back to 44, to 22 fime |
05:08:51 | jhMikeS | ?? I dunno that fine too. |
05:08:57 | jhMikeS | but it blew up on 11 right? |
05:08:58 | Davide-NYC | then doen to 11 freeze. |
05:09:13 | Davide-NYC | no buttons did anything, had to reset |
05:09:21 | jhMikeS | yeah...I need to figure that one out. |
05:09:42 | Davide-NYC | not to stir the pot, but why? |
05:09:44 | jhMikeS | The sound wasn't distorted in any way when switching |
05:09:47 | Davide-NYC | no |
05:10:02 | Davide-NYC | doing it again |
05:10:25 | Davide-NYC | This is an A 440Hz? |
05:10:26 | jhMikeS | Did the files record ok and at the proper samplerate with no strange artifacts? |
05:10:32 | Davide-NYC | Doing now |
05:10:34 | jhMikeS | 441Hz for simplicity |
05:10:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: There's no way to default them to hidden. Only Experts, Devs, and Admins saw them before, I just restricted it further to "Admins" is all. |
05:10:45 | Davide-NYC | close enough for rock n roll |
05:11:14 | Davide-NYC | small "ticks" when switching octavve. |
05:11:17 | Davide-NYC | nothing major |
05:11:23 | * | scorche frowns at Paul_The_Nerd |
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05:11:38 | scorche | i am assuming that i cannot search and get results from there also? |
05:11:42 | jhMikeS | I guess that part is acceptable for what it's doing |
05:12:33 | Davide-NYC | ticks more obvious between 44 and 22. Definite freeze once 11 is selected |
05:12:42 | Davide-NYC | reset |
05:13:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: There, visible for experts, hidden for developers. :-P |
05:13:42 | scorche | hehe |
05:13:44 | scorche | <3 |
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05:13:57 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: Why does "Encoder Settings have a submenu of "bitrate"? |
05:14:04 | Davide-NYC | How do intend to set this all up? |
05:14:15 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i just dont see a point in removing them when one can hide them by clicking on the arrow |
05:14:24 | jhMikeS | Each encoder has it's own submenu...bitrate is a set_option |
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05:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Less confusion for when people get promoted to developer, primarily. |
05:15:28 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: For wavpack and wav atm the Encoder Settings say (No Settings) which is what it would be if no settings exist. I didn't want to remove the "menu item |
05:15:47 | jhMikeS | The item "Encoder Settings" that is |
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05:16:24 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: we dont get new devs *that* often, and it doesnt require much to say "old forums; arrow to hide; etc" |
05:16:37 | Davide-NYC | hmm, would you be open to suggestions? |
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05:16:47 | Davide-NYC | I would be glad to write something up and post it |
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05:17:22 | Davide-NYC | I'm not really digging the menu at the moment. I can used to anything pretty quick though since it's the functionality that matters most. |
05:17:28 | Davide-NYC | off to do some tests |
05:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Even when they're hidden, having two "General Discussion" forums in the Move-to list and such can lead to irritation just because of accidents. The idea was simply that I didn't feel anyone really needed them any more. |
05:17:58 | hcs | I switched back to the apple firmware to do some tests, screen looks a lot smaller now... |
05:19:08 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i can see that...just my thoughts...i find it useful to look at past areas |
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05:20:16 | Davide-NYC | What other encoder specific settings could there be other than bitrate? |
05:20:22 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Is it really better to have one gigantic menu with settings for all encoders even though they're not relevent? I did ask about this extensively before persuing it. What else would you suggest? |
05:20:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Really, "Expert" is a forum related title anyway, so having access to the old clutter is no problem |
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05:20:50 | Davide-NYC | in terms of the menu I'm not sure yet, but I might surprise you. |
05:20:58 | Davide-NYC | (maybe not) |
05:21:23 | Davide-NYC | check out my question four posts up ^^^^ |
05:21:35 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: For MP3: a stereo mode setting, for WAVPACK: Sample Depth for sure, and possibly many others, WAV: Sample depth for sure |
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05:22:39 | Davide-NYC | If you start offering that level of config it's gonna get nuts. Maybe a simple and expert menu then? |
05:22:53 | jhMikeS | That menu has very specific options...I'm not sure they should just pop up and go away right in the recording menu |
05:23:19 | * | Davide-NYC wonder who wants to record WAV at 8bit @ 11k anyways |
05:23:26 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
05:23:39 | jhMikeS | I don't know but someone might and it's possible |
05:23:51 | Davide-NYC | I'm personally loving it |
05:24:05 | jhMikeS | 8-bit wav, mono, 96kHz if you like |
05:24:06 | Davide-NYC | but I'm not sure it's the best thing. |
05:24:11 | Davide-NYC | LOL |
05:24:29 | jhMikeS | Let the user decide |
05:24:37 | Davide-NYC | PTTP |
05:25:02 | Davide-NYC | I'll sleep on it, maybe I'll come with a cleaner menu implementation, maybe not |
05:25:09 | jhMikeS | You think that quality thing would really hold up with more formats. Speex may be added later and who knows what else. |
05:25:13 | Davide-NYC | I sure as hell can't code it |
05:25:32 | Davide-NYC | no, I hate the vagueness of "quality" |
05:26:03 | Davide-NYC | that's not where I'm going. More about organizing the menu in such a way that the more granular stuff is a bit harder to get at. |
05:26:05 | jhMikeS | Most programs provide dialogs and such for each format they encode so I think this is analagous to what other people encounter with other software. |
05:26:32 | jhMikeS | Can put it under "Advanced Options" in the encoder menu if there are any such options. |
05:26:36 | Davide-NYC | It's a mtter of presentation. |
05:27:14 | Davide-NYC | check the forums tomorrow. I'm the king of coming up with something half baked and letting it mature though forum banter. |
05:27:37 | Davide-NYC | hey, how come no 11k for MP3? |
05:27:42 | jhMikeS | WAV for example would have no bitrate setting per se. It's only one level down...it could go right to bitrate in this case. |
05:27:59 | jhMikeS | We don't have MPEG2.5 in the encoder so it doesn't support that |
05:28:07 | Davide-NYC | I didn;t know that |
05:28:32 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: your status bar icons are the best so far. |
05:28:38 | Davide-NYC | thumbs up! |
05:29:14 | jhMikeS | Thanks. Which ones? I just changed the stereo/mono ones. The others are the same shaped chars. |
05:29:37 | Davide-NYC | well, you're using my "more symmetric" WAV and WV icons |
05:29:54 | Davide-NYC | Mmmm's are more 'slanted'. |
05:30:06 | jhMikeS | It uses glyphs too...checkout icons.c and statusbar.c |
05:30:20 | jhMikeS | Yes...I used yours :) |
05:30:32 | Davide-NYC | please define 'glyph' as opposed to icon. |
05:30:58 | jhMikeS | Any letter, number, puctuation mark, etc. Can't think of a better one atm |
05:31:12 | jhMikeS | Digits 0-9 are all separate as well as k |
05:31:40 | Davide-NYC | so it's more generalizable for future bitrates... |
05:31:40 | jhMikeS | M, WV, WAV are still icons but M is shifted...has special handling |
05:31:47 | Davide-NYC | awesome |
05:31:48 | jhMikeS | yes...portablility |
05:32:09 | Davide-NYC | I'm your guy for testing. Recording is my number 1 priority. |
05:32:34 | jhMikeS | Did you try switching files? How'd you like the no spinup file changes? |
05:34:23 | jhMikeS | You still have the option to have them created immediately of course if you want files started on disk "now". |
05:35:14 | Davide-NYC | didn't try yet, you mean filesplit while recording? |
05:35:49 | jhMikeS | yes...either manual or auto...same thing |
05:36:12 | Davide-NYC | What exactly is the difference, I'm not familiar with how the files get written to disk... |
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05:36:31 | Davide-NYC | (I'm gonna end up learning how to edit the manual |
05:36:34 | Davide-NYC | :-( |
05:37:33 | jhMikeS | They used to be created on disk as soon as audio_new_file was called but now the created is delayed until data flushing |
05:38:00 | jhMikeS | s/created/creation |
05:38:16 | Davide-NYC | more consisted disk spinup? |
05:38:21 | Davide-NYC | *consistent |
05:39:29 | jhMikeS | less disk spinup...every split caused a spinup before. Internal MIC users didn't like that because of the noise that got in. It smooths it out overall anyway. |
05:40:33 | jhMikeS | Now not even beginning recording nescessarily has a spinup except for the encoder loading. |
05:40:34 | Davide-NYC | Love it |
05:40:53 | Davide-NYC | My board meeting are gonna be smooth like butter. |
05:40:57 | Davide-NYC | haha |
05:41:18 | jhMikeS | :-)...I can't believe it's not! |
05:41:36 | Davide-NYC | ok fabio, take it easy. |
05:42:29 | Davide-NYC | at what point do the bitrate start allowing for 44k? |
05:42:57 | jhMikeS | 32000,44100,48000 allow for 44.1 in mp3 |
05:43:27 | Davide-NYC | I just did 64k and there was a menu item for 44k |
05:43:40 | Davide-NYC | *64kBps and 44kHz |
05:43:47 | jhMikeS | Yes...that's legal |
05:43:52 | Davide-NYC | k |
05:44:50 | jhMikeS | 8,16,24,144 are mpeg2 bitrates only which only allow the lower sample rates |
05:45:38 | Davide-NYC | oops, my test recording have me saying "MP3". |
05:45:50 | Davide-NYC | they should say MPEG, correct? |
05:46:18 | jhMikeS | It's MPEG layer 3...so it's both...margarine and butter. :) |
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05:48:07 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: |
05:48:09 | Davide-NYC | http://youtube.com/watch?v=t1GtDfqXNt8 |
05:50:10 | jhMikeS | LOL ok :-)...board meetings...without the cholesterol |
05:50:47 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I just did a test recording at M192 with no possibility of other samplerates and no Mono? |
05:51:00 | Davide-NYC | I can't believe it's not Mono! |
05:51:58 | Davide-NYC | same for 224kbps |
05:52:01 | jhMikeS | Nope...over 160 stereo only...MPEG is very specific |
05:52:17 | jhMikeS | er...picky...heh |
05:52:24 | Davide-NYC | Alrighty then. No 320k board meetings then |
05:52:46 | jhMikeS | 320k would be just two 160k mono streams together anyway |
05:53:06 | Davide-NYC | ah I see |
05:54:16 | jhMikeS | I wish it had joint stereo though...but the little encoder ain't got it now. |
05:57:16 | Davide-NYC | all M bitrates to stereo? |
05:57:21 | Davide-NYC | *do |
05:58:23 | jhMikeS | yes, oddly enough... |
05:58:49 | jhMikeS | though mono could actually be available for all bitrates |
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06:00:35 | jhMikeS | it is non-standard as I understand and I don't know if playback on something might choke |
06:00:48 | Davide-NYC | don;t rock the boat |
06:06:10 | * | jhMikeS likes boats and lots of rocking |
06:06:16 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: is there a table somewhere of all the bitrate, frequency, channel combinations available? |
06:06:33 | jhMikeS | enc_config.c |
06:06:48 | Davide-NYC | Thanks, I don't want to miss anything. |
06:07:07 | jhMikeS | The whole list is included if your hardware supports lower rates |
06:07:28 | * | Davide-NYC starts to bristle at having to look through intimidating source code for simple stuff. |
06:10:44 | jhMikeS | I assume throughout any hardware supports 44.1kHz but you'll get errors compiling if you don't flag it and know to update things |
06:10:45 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: at line 200 what do the comments after the items[] ? |
06:11:13 | jhMikeS | The "This is rather constant..." part? |
06:11:14 | Davide-NYC | how do you read the comments? { "32 kBit/s", TALK_ID(32, UNIT_KBIT) }, /* 1,2 */ |
06:11:24 | Davide-NYC | 1,2? |
06:11:43 | Davide-NYC | that's a bit terse for me. |
06:11:48 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
06:12:02 | jhMikeS | 1,2 mean MPEGv1 and v2 support that rate |
06:12:20 | Davide-NYC | ok |
06:12:50 | Davide-NYC | where is the "whether it does 44kHz or not" bit? |
06:12:56 | Davide-NYC | and the mono bit |
06:13:17 | jhMikeS | mp3_enc_get_caps |
06:13:30 | * | Davide-NYC still can't believe I've got mono. |
06:16:48 | Davide-NYC | OMG my brain hurts, I'm going ot google to find these same conditional switches written in english |
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06:16:54 | Davide-NYC | (i hope) |
06:18:16 | jhMikeS | The *_CAPS are my bits for saying what is supported so menus can be generated correctly. |
06:19:50 | Davide-NYC | i got lost somewhere between greater than and less than operators |
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06:20:24 | jhMikeS | from the items list you can see 32-128 and greater than or equal to 160 support mpeg1 which supports 44.1 kHz...other rates are MPEG2 which support the 22kHz |
06:21:38 | jhMikeS | If both V1 and V2 are supported for the bitrate, then the sample rate determines the version used |
06:23:03 | Davide-NYC | what about channel restriction? |
06:23:33 | jhMikeS | if the bitrate is less than 160 then mono is allowed, that's it |
06:23:51 | jhMikeS | *less than or equal to 160 |
06:24:21 | Davide-NYC | OK I get it now. Sorry for being so dense |
06:26:58 | jhMikeS | why's it dense? you say you don't do much in the c domain |
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06:31:17 | * | jhMikeS is about ready to try to more "normal" config handling (no .cfg files for each)... |
06:35:23 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: OK this is nuts. 8kbps stereo is unintelligible. I recorded a test file using my voice and the internal mic and all I get is garble. |
06:35:37 | Davide-NYC | it's basically two 4kbps streams right? |
06:35:46 | Davide-NYC | I deem that to not even be audio.. |
06:35:57 | * | Davide-NYC vomits |
06:36:30 | jhMikeS | yes...it's pretty bad...maybe some restrictions? Maybe only show rates common to 1 and 2? |
06:36:44 | jhMikeS | What about mono for 8? |
06:37:08 | Davide-NYC | I can't even confirm that it recorded correctly! I have to presume it recorded me saying "MP3, 8kbps, 22kHz, stereo" |
06:37:18 | Davide-NYC | but I can't even tell |
06:37:20 | jhMikeS | lol |
06:37:49 | Davide-NYC | i fell like posting this and saying now you all know what I sound like. |
06:37:50 | jhMikeS | it sounds more like sound effects |
06:37:54 | Davide-NYC | totally |
06:38:02 | Davide-NYC | droids drowning |
06:39:23 | jhMikeS | Like that scene in The Empire Stikes Back with the probe on Hoth now that you mention it. |
06:39:33 | Davide-NYC | good reference |
06:42:20 | Davide-NYC | 8kbps @ 22k Mono is intelligible. It's still vomit worthy, but I can understand the words at least. |
06:42:39 | Davide-NYC | two speakers and all bets are off though. |
06:44:21 | jhMikeS | If you're versed in over 6,000,000 forms of communication :) |
06:44:58 | Davide-NYC | ... it does you no good at 8kbps 22k stereo |
06:45:04 | jhMikeS | I don't think 8k was mean for DAT archiving :-\ |
06:45:42 | Davide-NYC | There's a part of me that says unlock the hardware and another part of me that says don;t let them hear that crap |
06:45:49 | jhMikeS | Maybe restrict super-low bitrates to mono? |
06:46:20 | Davide-NYC | I'll listen back and give you my (actually) professional opinion. |
06:46:47 | Davide-NYC | Used to own a recording studio and have recorded a few minor label things and countless demos |
06:46:56 | jhMikeS | The encoder itself will only keep params sensible to itself but the user settings can be more restricted to that. Hardware caps don't change the encoder caps |
06:47:29 | Davide-NYC | Lemme think about it and tell you where I think the 'dotted line' should be for users/ |
06:47:43 | jhMikeS | I tried it myself and have doubts but decided to allow anyone to hear anything atm. |
06:47:45 | Davide-NYC | I have to listen back a bit |
06:48:10 | Davide-NYC | for now take the lid off of the gear. we (you) can always tighten it up later |
06:48:16 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
06:48:33 | jhMikeS | That's np at all to do |
06:48:36 | sneakums | or put them in a separate menu or something, since there are bound to be perverts who want to use those modes |
06:49:18 | jhMikeS | "Bitrate"/"Extended Bitrates (Not For the Faint of Heart)" ? |
06:49:34 | Davide-NYC | starting to sound more sane by the minute |
06:50:32 | jhMikeS | "Bitrate"/"Perv Rate" |
06:51:30 | Davide-NYC | lol |
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06:51:46 | Davide-NYC | I'm still in the MP3 section! |
06:52:16 | jhMikeS | You just get a "(No Settings)" for anything that doesn't have config atm. |
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06:55:25 | jhMikeS | Which is anything other than mp3. Like I say...I might have 8bit for WAV/WAVPACK. Sample rate for WAV/WAVPACK like 34537 will never be allowed though even if resampling is done to allow other rates like 32000 on hw that only natively supports say 44.1 and 22.05. |
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07:00:57 | Davide-NYC | nothing below 32kbps sample at 44 right? |
07:03:01 | Davide-NYC | Arghh! 11k strikes again! |
07:03:20 | Davide-NYC | freeze −−> reset no plugin necesary |
07:03:25 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
07:06:31 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: No it's all MPEG2 |
07:07:27 | Davide-NYC | I'm not familiar with the MPEG spec yet. I just want to make sure I don;t miss anything. |
07:07:48 | Davide-NYC | what about 48k? |
07:07:50 | jhMikeS | In the next patch update I'm going to ATTEMPT a fix at the 11k thing |
07:07:51 | Davide-NYC | possible? |
07:08:00 | Davide-NYC | why fix it? |
07:08:12 | jhMikeS | MPEG1 L3 supports 48k but the hardware does not |
07:08:30 | jhMikeS | For one thing doom runs the hw at 11k |
07:08:33 | Davide-NYC | what about PCM WAV 48k? |
07:08:50 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: everyone knows I poo poo all over games |
07:08:51 | jhMikeS | No...no harware support but the codec can do any rate |
07:09:25 | Davide-NYC | spdif in on the H1x0 only clocks at 44.1k? |
07:09:28 | jhMikeS | I think I should get 11k to actually work cause I don't know a reason atm it shouldn't. All hardware rates should actually function. |
07:09:47 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: SPDIF can do any rate but the rate is rounded to the master list |
07:10:05 | Davide-NYC | what the max on that? |
07:10:09 | jhMikeS | 96000 atm |
07:10:36 | Davide-NYC | Oh sweet love of all things wonderful! We could have 88.2? |
07:10:46 | Davide-NYC | what about bit depth? |
07:11:00 | * | Davide-NYC calms down |
07:11:01 | jhMikeS | No 88.2 on iRiver...sorry |
07:11:11 | Davide-NYC | but 96k is possible? |
07:11:12 | jhMikeS | The ADC won't work past 50 |
07:11:31 | jhMikeS | maybe on an iPod with the wm codec chip |
07:11:49 | Davide-NYC | but if I'm feeding it from the optical port? does the ADC come into it at all? |
07:11:56 | jhMikeS | 88.2 can record on x5 but I'm having problems with monitoring |
07:12:16 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: oh, no not there so yes it can work |
07:12:24 | Davide-NYC | do you own an H1x0? |
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07:13:18 | jhMikeS | no...I'm in the market so I can better work on that port. It would be so much easier to test something in 5min and I would have probably already fixed the 11k |
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07:14:02 | Davide-NYC | the whole amazing thing about the H1x0 is the optical port. AFAIK no other 1.8" HD DAP has an optical I/O |
07:14:12 | ForgottenMemory | Anyone know how to make a custom bootloader for the iPod |
07:14:59 | ForgottenMemory | Anyone? |
07:15:22 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: At some point I'll look into dynamic samplerate switching for at least the WAV. |
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07:54:34 | Davide-NYC | having listened back to all of my test recordings I can safely say that ditching the MPG2 only bitrates would not be a bad idea |
07:54:51 | jhMikeS | that's easy |
07:55:33 | jhMikeS | you think the 32kb mark is the right one? |
07:55:49 | Davide-NYC | not sure yet |
07:55:57 | Davide-NYC | 32-22k-M sounds good |
07:56:07 | Davide-NYC | 32-22k-S not so good |
07:56:19 | jhMikeS | probably should ditch 144 as it's v2 only and right in the middle of everything |
07:56:26 | Davide-NYC | definietely |
07:56:31 | Davide-NYC | (sp) |
07:56:46 | Davide-NYC | never seen anything encoded at that bitrate ever |
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07:56:58 | jhMikeS | It messes with the sample rate...I can restrice really low bitrates to mono though |
07:57:39 | jhMikeS | Good for basic voice if it's intelligible and can save the disk space |
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08:01:11 | Davide-NYC | I'm going to write up my opinion in the forum. |
08:01:36 | jhMikeS | how do you feel about what increments the size of WAV file should be? I thought about 588 sample chunks because of CD burning and such if anyone does that anymore or is something better? Should there be an option for that? |
08:01:49 | Davide-NYC | it's almost a case by case basis based on bit/sample/channel combo |
08:02:16 | Davide-NYC | I would have to ask others about that. |
08:02:36 | Davide-NYC | no, there should not be an option for that. |
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08:02:54 | jhMikeS | Mono chunks are half the size but there's always 2048 samples in a chunk atm for wav. MP3 is fixed and 1152/576 for v1 and v2 respectively. |
08:02:55 | Davide-NYC | although if you want a second opinion you couls ask petur |
08:05:32 | jhMikeS | MP3 can't be changed, WAV, WAVPACK can though but WAVPACK will be a little complicated. You could write too many WavPack headers and reduce compression ration. It already writes too many. |
08:06:58 | Davide-NYC | What would the benefit of changing it be? |
08:07:57 | jhMikeS | Well to have say no fraction number of CD frames in your WAV if you want to burn them and burn exactly what you record. |
08:08:40 | sneakums | it'd be pretty keen to be able to track directly to CD |
08:10:03 | jhMikeS | It's really just a matter of setting a variable and little else for WAV. |
08:10:48 | Davide-NYC | I know this is going to shock some, but I don't see the pointof recording to WavPack |
08:11:06 | Davide-NYC | it's so cpu intensive that it scares me. |
08:11:29 | Davide-NYC | this might be ignorance, but I want as little going on as possible during recording |
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08:11:59 | Davide-NYC | lossless compression is awesoem for playback. but for recording it feels all wrong to me |
08:12:23 | Davide-NYC | either lossy for casual recording or wav for seious |
08:13:28 | jhMikeS | part of the percieved slowness with it is the huge 5000 sample chunk size |
08:14:36 | jhMikeS | A single WavPack block could extend over several smaller chunks. |
08:16:40 | Davide-NYC | question: I've exhausted the possibilities for encoding type, bitrate, samplerate and channel. Do I need to repeat this test for all inputs? |
08:16:53 | Davide-NYC | (please say no_ |
08:16:57 | jhMikeS | no |
08:17:05 | Davide-NYC | \o/ |
08:17:49 | jhMikeS | If at the low end voice is intelligible I think it's good |
08:19:50 | Davide-NYC | the only totally unintelligable file was M8-22k-S.mp3 |
08:20:13 | Davide-NYC | that is not a viable encoding option |
08:21:20 | Davide-NYC | Rockboxers! Fall in love with my voice here −−> http://home.earthlink.net/~davidegentile/rockbox/Encoder_Tests.7z |
08:25:19 | jhMikeS | 6,000,000 forms of communication... |
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08:31:20 | jhMikeS | 16kbit mono is very clear for voice |
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08:51:39 | Davide-NYC | I goatta sleep |
08:51:45 | Davide-NYC | 'later |
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08:58:51 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I would be surprised if people record in Rockbox, and then burn the WAVs directly to CD without any editing. |
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09:02:15 | webguest92 | Linus: on my H140 2100mah batt, it appears that the battery charge Indicators (4 bars ) have become unsynchronised, i.e. with a completely full battery the fourth bar is displayed for about an half hour before it dissapears, this is unusual as each 'bar' should be visible for about 5-6 hours |
09:02:47 | LinusN | webguest92: that's odd |
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09:03:21 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I dunno...could leave out a step...I'm just wondering what people who are really into recording part think. sneakums liked the idea... |
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09:03:39 | sneakums | i don't do recording, i just liked the idea in the abstract |
09:03:41 | webguest93 | Hi again Linus, I am webguest92 |
09:03:45 | jhMikeS | ahhh...ok |
09:03:45 | sneakums | is there any problem with bumping MAX_PATH apart from the extra memory use? |
09:04:06 | sneakums | it's 260 currently and of course i have a file that ends up at 268 |
09:04:12 | sneakums | just to be awkward |
09:04:16 | webguest93 | Linus: yes it is strange, I replaced the battery thinking the previous battery was defect |
09:05:09 | webguest93 | but the battery bar indicators exhibited the same strange behaviour with the previous 2200mah battery |
09:05:29 | LinusN | webguest93: in the wps? |
09:05:30 | jhMikeS | FAT compatibility? 268 is a really long path on a DAP! |
09:05:54 | webguest93 | Linus: yes in the wps |
09:06:05 | LinusN | webguest93: the battery bar calculation is not an exact science |
09:06:56 | webguest93 | I appreciate that, but that strange behaviour has been evident recently, which is why I changed the battery |
09:07:13 | webguest93 | thinking my battery was defective |
09:08:28 | LinusN | i believe the battery wps tag format changed a while ago. which wps are you using? |
09:08:59 | sneakums | well, it's how long the path is in my music archive, and i don't fancy mangling the names |
09:09:00 | webguest93 | I convert %bl to icons |
09:09:08 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Does CRSEL really affect the PLL on cf. The functional diagram doesn't seem to clear about it at all and the charts contradict the bit setting. I'm looking for a reason 11kHz should lock the iRivers. |
09:09:21 | sneakums | i see fat32 has a 255-char per path component limit, but if there's no overall limit i imagine i can bump it in my build |
09:09:47 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'm surprised that it locks it, as it has worked in the past |
09:10:26 | linuxstb | sneakums: The problem is utf8 - meaning that a 255 char filename can be up to 3*255 bytes. Do your filenames have any non-ascii characters? |
09:10:27 | jhMikeS | It wasn't actually running the codec chip for 11kHz, just passing samples at 11kHz and duping them to 44 |
09:10:42 | sneakums | no, pure ascii |
09:11:00 | linuxstb | sneakums: What OS did you use to create them? |
09:11:04 | sneakums | Linux |
09:11:35 | sneakums | the file name itself is only 212 chars |
09:11:48 | linuxstb | I believe 260 is the FAT32 limit for legal paths. |
09:12:17 | LinusN | jhMikeS: "in the past" means when i first wrote the dac/dma code over a year ago, long before we had resampling |
09:12:48 | sneakums | hmm, then it seems linux needs a talking-to, because it copied it over without complaint |
09:13:46 | webguest93 | Linus:, my battery icons are driven by the %bl values, is it possible that the threshold value for %bl full has been changed in the code ? |
09:14:03 | LinusN | webguest93: yes, that's what i said |
09:14:32 | webguest93 | hmm, how do I fix my icon display ? |
09:14:44 | LinusN | the format for the %bl tag has changed, check the WPS spec in the documentation page |
09:15:26 | sneakums | yeah, the fat32 spec says 260 |
09:16:21 | sneakums | i wonder if that's just an implementation-derived limit |
09:16:24 | jhMikeS | Linus: ah...any points on the setup for the uda/cf to make it actually run at 11kHz? I have something wrong then. |
09:17:09 | webguest93 | thanks |
09:17:11 | linuxstb | sneakums: Yes, I think it comes from MS-DOS only supporting 260-char paths. |
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09:17:33 | LinusN | jhMikeS: will have a look |
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09:17:42 | sneakums | oh good, then i can just ignore it |
09:18:03 | LinusN | jhMikeS: still, i *might* be wrong... after all, it was a long time ago |
09:19:52 | jhMikeS | LinusN: ok...I did this: I set MCLK1 for FXTAL/4 and use 256fs as that's as slow as the interpolator goes and used the 6.25-12.5 input range. |
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09:21:07 | LinusN | jhMikeS: wait a sec, why do you need to change mclk? |
09:21:39 | jhMikeS | To get the the interpolator frequency right relative to SYSCLK |
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09:22:26 | jhMikeS | 22,44 and 88 all work |
09:23:40 | jhMikeS | On the tlv it's a done deal and 11-88 work perfectly but I can divide MCLK by two in the tlv itself. |
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09:25:44 | jhMikeS | ...except for the monitoring problem on recording at 88 |
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09:26:16 | LinusN | jhMikeS: you might want to know that the PLL on the 5249 is different from the 5250 |
09:27:18 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I based it on the correct datasheet but the PLLCR bit descriptions contradict the chart on p 4-3 |
09:28:10 | LinusN | "Fxtal/3 and Fxtal/4 should not be used normally" |
09:28:23 | jhMikeS | But I figure /4 must have the opposite CRSEL bit from what's running at 44 khz default. |
09:29:23 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I know. How do I get the right 128fs with that if /2 at the lowest uda setting is right? |
09:30:41 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I did try Fxtal/4 on x5 and it just played half speed from /2 but I don't use it there since there's no need. |
09:31:37 | LinusN | maybe the 5250 has a working fxtal/4 |
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09:33:38 | jhMikeS | LinusN: why would it not work? it says "normally" not "nonfunctional" *shrugs*. You say you had it actually do it so it must be possible to set 11 but I can't experminent myself atm. |
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09:34:42 | LinusN | i guess i didn't configure the noise shaping, but only adjusted the serial clock to the dac |
09:35:22 | sneakums | hmm, i guess i need to hack the tag code too so i can enjoy my ridiculously long track name |
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09:39:16 | LinusN | jhMikeS: otoh, the uda can use the wsi clock |
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09:42:18 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I guess even in master mode the signal will be fed back to WSI right? |
09:45:09 | LinusN | well, it is output to WSO |
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09:50:24 | LinusN | i believe it should be possible to run the uda in slave mode |
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09:51:22 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I had the tlv working in both modes for recording and playback but I can check everything there. :) |
09:52:02 | LinusN | i guess i'll have to check it out on my iriver |
09:52:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I was also wondering...if there's a brief moment where the codec chip is the master and the CPU is the master, this is baaad right? |
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09:53:37 | jhMikeS | I don't really want two outputs connected together! heh |
09:54:04 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the audio interface has separate inputs and outputs |
09:54:42 | LinusN | iiuc, master mode means that the codec drives the wso |
09:55:34 | LinusN | hmm |
09:55:38 | LinusN | i see what you mean |
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09:57:08 | LinusN | jhMikeS: why would we want to switch between master and slave mode? |
09:58:44 | jhMikeS | LinusN: That was how it was set up already |
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10:02:10 | markun | scorche: what does the mpeg player have to do with m4a files? |
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10:05:00 | jhMikeS | LinusN: It's the same lines for x5 though it seems, the clock lines can be inputs or outputs |
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10:05:30 | LinusN | i see a lot of suspicious stuff in pcm_record.c |
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10:05:55 | LinusN | like this comment: "SCLK2 = Audioclk/4 (can't use EBUin clock)" |
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10:06:46 | LinusN | why not use the ebuin clock? it is connected |
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10:07:07 | LinusN | ah, my bad |
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10:07:14 | LinusN | it's the monitoring code |
10:07:22 | jhMikeS | LinusN: hehe...was just gonna say... |
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10:07:46 | jhMikeS | Though the chip could run closer to the EBU sample rate and monitoring would sound better |
10:07:55 | bluebrother | why on earth is xchat segfaulting on my? *grmbl* |
10:09:17 | jhMikeS | ...if the spdif is way off the 44.1... |
10:10:33 | LinusN | jhMikeS: true |
10:12:32 | jhMikeS | doom sounds good on x5 with the patch...no crusty noises from duping samples from 11 -> 44 |
10:12:59 | LinusN | and lower cpu load |
10:13:07 | JdGordon | hey guys, im syncing m settings patch with cvs and the new headphone detection settings use numbers instead of meaningful values int he config, should i just copy the numbers? or use good values? |
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10:16:35 | jhMikeS | LinusN: how does letting the tlv run for 44 affect the CPU load when sending samples at 11? |
10:16:47 | LinusN | JdGordon: use good values |
10:17:02 | JdGordon | LinusN: and break backwards compatability? |
10:17:23 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
10:17:51 | JdGordon | :) ok |
10:17:54 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the resampling is done by the cpu, and it sends samples at 44 |
10:21:13 | jhMikeS | LinusN: How does it know the tlv is running at 44 if the IIS clocks on the cpu are driving it at 11 with tlv is slave mode just duplicating the last thing it received until new data arrives? Of couse I could have it all wrong. |
10:21:15 | JdGordon | LinusN: I want to split up the menu code into a file for each major sub menu, can i make a new folder under apps to put them all in? |
10:21:58 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the current playback code doesn't change the IIS clock |
10:22:20 | LinusN | or maybe doom doesn't use the playback code? |
10:23:03 | Bg3r | JdGordon: i vote for subfolder |
10:23:32 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think folder is a good idea |
10:23:45 | JdGordon | k |
10:24:02 | jhMikeS | pcm_playback does when playback starts using pcm_freq (2,4,6,c to set the IIS clock = SYSCLK/n) |
10:24:14 | jhMikeS | doom uses pcm_playback.c btw |
10:24:32 | LinusN | jhMikeS: ok, then i understand |
10:24:49 | jhMikeS | I mean Audio Clk/n btw |
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10:26:37 | jhMikeS | Does 64BCLK/WCLK or whatever mean 16 bits are sent and 48 BCLK cycles send nothing? |
10:26:58 | LinusN | no |
10:27:20 | LinusN | it means that 2x20 bits are sent (stereo) |
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10:27:55 | LinusN | 32 bits per channel |
10:28:12 | jhMikeS | where'd the other 2x12 go? |
10:28:59 | jhMikeS | ok 64BCLK/ full WCLK cycle |
10:29:31 | LinusN | the other clocks are "idle" |
10:30:27 | jhMikeS | WCLK is another name for the LRCLK? |
10:30:59 | LinusN | i believe it sends 32 bits per channel, and the dac uses as many bits it can handle |
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10:32:10 | O11 | yo |
10:32:53 | O11 | I've been charging my brand new 2200 mha battery for my h300 for the first time for about 12 hours now.. |
10:33:03 | O11 | it's still not saying charging complete.. |
10:33:08 | O11 | will it ever say that? |
10:33:55 | Bg3r | O11: rockbox or iriver fw ? |
10:34:00 | O11 | iriver.. |
10:34:04 | Bg3r | strange |
10:34:18 | O11 | i don't like strange =( |
10:34:33 | Bg3r | O11: w8 |
10:34:50 | O11 | Bg3r: 4 hw lng? |
10:35:03 | Bg3r | no, w8 to find something |
10:35:13 | O11 | Bg3r: k |
10:37:49 | O11 | Bg3r: the fact that it's charging is a good sign right? |
10:38:22 | Bg3r | O11: what happens when you disconnect the player from the charger ? how many "bars" does the iriver fw show ? |
10:39:10 | markun | O11: are you sure you didn't connect the wires the wrong way around? |
10:39:58 | Bg3r | O11: |
10:40:00 | Bg3r | Side effects of battery replacement |
10:40:00 | Bg3r | > Longer charge time. The battery should take longer to charge but in some instances it can take excessively long. If the battery has been charging for over 4h 30min (from flat) then try turning the unit on and off(while its still plugged in) and the iriver firmware will usually display the 'complete!' message. It is unclear wether this damages the battery but mine is still going strong after a year and its allways been like this. |
10:41:43 | LinusN | jhMikeS: WCLK is WSI/WSO, which is LRCLK |
10:42:37 | O11 | Bg3r: erm so.. your saying I should disconnect it? |
10:42:48 | Bg3r | yep |
10:42:58 | Bg3r | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34257 |
10:43:08 | O11 | here goes.. and then reconnect it as soon as possible? |
10:43:15 | O11 | or switch it off then reconnect it? |
10:46:36 | Bg3r | switch off and reconnect |
10:46:38 | O11 | okay.. disconnected and reconnected and it still says it's charging.. |
10:46:49 | O11 | should I try switching on now? |
10:47:02 | Bg3r | it should be o |
10:47:03 | Bg3r | n |
10:47:13 | Bg3r | if it's showing "charging..." |
10:47:20 | O11 | don't say that.. |
10:47:21 | Bg3r | but |
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10:47:45 | Bg3r | ok, press the play/pause button |
10:48:04 | Bg3r | u should see the iriver's "WPS" screen |
10:48:06 | O11 | okay.. it's on now.. |
10:48:09 | O11 | now disconnect? |
10:48:12 | Bg3r | yep |
10:48:17 | Bg3r | do you have rockbox ? |
10:48:31 | O11 | 3 bars. |
10:48:36 | O11 | yes.. i have rockbox.. |
10:48:39 | Bg3r | 3 bars ? |
10:48:44 | O11 | switch off and start in rockbox? |
10:48:51 | O11 | Bg3r: yes.. 3 bars |
10:48:52 | Bg3r | what does the bootlader say for the Battery voltage ? |
10:49:04 | O11 | on rockbox? |
10:49:08 | O11 | i'll have a look |
10:49:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: thanks for the help :) |
10:49:14 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
10:49:14 | * | O11 starts iriver in rockbox |
10:49:17 | Bg3r | yep |
10:49:30 | Bg3r | O11: go to Menu -> Info->Debug->Battery Info |
10:49:41 | Bg3r | and press up, iirc |
10:49:55 | O11 | Bg3r: 4.19 on the bootloader screen |
10:50:02 | Bg3r | this is full ... |
10:50:18 | O11 | and the little battery symbol is full |
10:50:21 | Bg3r | O11: what's your iriver fw version ? |
10:50:27 | O11 | korean |
10:50:31 | Bg3r | 1.29k ? |
10:50:36 | O11 | I think so.. |
10:50:41 | Bg3r | never mind |
10:51:01 | Bg3r | now go to the Debug->Battery Info |
10:51:10 | O11 | yeah.. 129 k |
10:51:15 | O11 | 1.29 |
10:51:43 | Bg3r | if rockbox thinks the battery is full then it should be full |
10:52:07 | O11 | there is no battery info.. |
10:52:12 | O11 | do you mean full battery? |
10:52:20 | O11 | and should I change the capacity setting? |
10:52:32 | O11 | *do you mean view battery? |
10:53:54 | O11 | I've just changed the capacity.. |
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10:54:10 | O11 | are you saying i should go to "view battery" in the debug menu? |
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10:55:10 | * | petur is listening to a recording he made yesterday and is NOT happy: missing samples !!!!! |
10:55:12 | O11 | there it says 4.19 |
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10:55:27 | O11 | scale 4.19-4.20 V |
10:55:37 | O11 | is that what I was looking for? |
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10:56:08 | O11 | petur: how did that happen? |
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10:56:45 | O11 | Bg3r: so am I safe? |
10:57:03 | Bg3r | O11: |
10:57:18 | Bg3r | press the UP button (+) while in this screen |
10:57:23 | petur | jhMikeS: my recording of yesterday evening has missing samples (already noticed it once, am listening to the rest) |
10:57:50 | petur | jhMikeS: this is with CVS version, not your new patch |
10:57:52 | O11 | says nothing after power status: |
10:58:06 | O11 | and then says battery: 4.19 V |
10:58:11 | O11 | charger present |
10:58:40 | petur | and another one |
10:58:43 | Bg3r | ok, disconnect the charger, start playing something |
10:58:45 | O11 | Bg3r: what does that tell you? |
10:58:47 | petur | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH |
10:58:47 | O11 | ok |
10:58:50 | Bg3r | and go to this menu quickly |
10:59:35 | Bg3r | (while the disk is still spinning/reading |
10:59:35 | Bg3r | ) |
10:59:37 | O11 | okay.. i'm in the menu again with something playing |
10:59:44 | LinusN | petur: could it be the new scheduler? |
10:59:51 | petur | no idea |
11:00 |
11:00:22 | petur | the worst part is, I had a stable recording build from a few months ago, but it's on the disk that crashed :( |
11:00:46 | LinusN | well, that's what cvs is for |
11:01:21 | petur | the time between the two missing sample events must be abot the buffer time, so I think something goes wrong when saving |
11:01:24 | Bg3r | O11: what is the battery voltage now ? |
11:01:27 | petur | about even |
11:01:30 | O11 | I pressed + a couple more times and it says battery level 84% |
11:01:42 | O11 | estimated time 41 m |
11:02:00 | O11 | voltage is still 4.19 |
11:02:32 | Bg3r | 41m ?? |
11:02:34 | Bg3r | i doubt it |
11:02:41 | O11 | that's what it says.. |
11:02:45 | Bg3r | O11: what battery did you buy ? |
11:02:53 | amiconn | O11: You still have the charger connected... |
11:03:12 | amiconn | [10:58:44] <Bg3r> ok, disconnect the charger, start playing something |
11:03:54 | amiconn | Bg3r: The 41min is the estimation until battery will be full, while charging. |
11:03:58 | O11 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320031403118&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 |
11:04:02 | Bg3r | amiconn: ah |
11:04:08 | Bg3r | k |
11:04:10 | O11 | amiconn: silly me.. thanks =P |
11:04:11 | amiconn | But that has to be ignored, as rockbox doesn't do proper battery-full detection |
11:04:30 | amiconn | It will continue to show 84% |
11:04:40 | O11 | battery 100% |
11:04:44 | amiconn | If the charger is disconnected, it should show 100% |
11:04:53 | O11 | 910 m remaining! |
11:04:56 | JdGordon | hmm.. i did cvsdo add menus/ and then added the individual files, but cvs diff -uN stil doesnt get them? |
11:05:18 | Bg3r | O11: that depends on the battery capacity u set in the General->System->Battery->Battery Capacity |
11:05:22 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, because cvs itself doesn't know about the folder at all |
11:05:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: doesnt cvsdo add folder_name fix that? |
11:05:51 | O11 | Bg3r: I set it to the correct capacity |
11:06:31 | amiconn | JdGordon: With cvs wirte access, 'cvs add folder' adds the folder immediately, both locally and on the server |
11:06:32 | JdGordon | anywho, dinner, back in 15 |
11:06:39 | amiconn | cvsdo obviously can't do that |
11:06:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, im trying to add it locally so the diff works |
11:07:07 | O11 | Bg3r: should a maybe do a bench test? |
11:07:10 | amiconn | Yes, but I suspect it cannot work with cvsdo |
11:07:18 | amiconn | ...for new folders |
11:07:26 | Bagder | normal diff instead |
11:07:29 | Bagder | use |
11:07:37 | Bg3r | O11: yep |
11:07:41 | * | amiconn notices Bagder around |
11:07:53 | amiconn | Bagder: I have a license compatibility question... |
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11:08:14 | amiconn | I am pondering a port of XSkat to rockbox - but it has a somewhat strange license |
11:08:30 | | Part nave7693 |
11:09:48 | O11 | Bg3r: I already have a bench test file.. should I make sure bench test is off.. and then delete it? |
11:10:00 | Bagder | amiconn: got a URL for it? |
11:10:02 | LinusN | petur: how many samples are missing? |
11:10:09 | amiconn | I can't find the license text on the homepage or as separate file; it's only stated in the source headers |
11:10:18 | Bg3r | O11: the bench won't start automatically |
11:10:21 | amiconn | http://www.xskat.de/xskat-4.0.tar.gz |
11:10:27 | petur | LinusN: quite a bit (several seconds I think) |
11:10:38 | LinusN | petur: ok, good |
11:10:48 | Bg3r | O11: but you can remove/rename the /battery_bench.txt file |
11:10:59 | amiconn | Bagder: All .c and .h files should have the license text |
11:11:08 | LinusN | petur: it would have been a lot harder if it were only a few |
11:11:35 | petur | LinusN: must be a chunk missing or something like that? |
11:11:51 | amiconn | Bagder: There is a debian package for XSkat, so I guess the license is gpl compatible (?) |
11:11:58 | O11 | Bg3r: how do you remove it? |
11:12:09 | Bagder | amiconn: debian ships lots of packages that aren't GPL compatible |
11:12:14 | Bg3r | O11: hold navi over the file |
11:12:30 | O11 | woh!!!!!!! hold up.. i've got a bug.. |
11:12:34 | Bagder | amiconn: I would say that this license is not GPL compatible |
11:12:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree, it's a very strange license... I'm not sure about 2b) - I think the GPL also has clauses that state modifications must be made clear. |
11:12:45 | O11 | on the "view battery screeen I have a big dirty black stripe.. |
11:12:54 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, but it cannot limit how changes are done or named |
11:13:08 | petur | LinusN: I think it's more like around 1-2 seconds |
11:13:12 | Bagder | "Only changes required for packaging or porting are made." or "The program is renamed" |
11:13:19 | O11 | Bg3r: is that normal? |
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11:13:44 | Bg3r | O11: yes |
11:13:54 | O11 | Bg3r: why? |
11:13:56 | amiconn | O11: It's not a 'dirty stripe', it's a diagram of the battery voltage |
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11:14:16 | LinusN | petur: i think we need to change PRIORITY_RECORDING to something like 2 or 3 |
11:14:23 | LinusN | in thread.h |
11:14:38 | * | petur no longer has a dev environment :( |
11:14:49 | O11 | amiconn: hahahaha.. sorry.. just looked like a dirty black stripe to me =P |
11:15:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes. Although it seems to meet the spirit of open source (i.e. the code can be reused for any purpose), so maybe the author would be willing to relicense if asked nicely. |
11:15:20 | Bagder | indeed, worth a shot |
11:15:22 | O11 | is it ok that it's gone down to 4.17 V now? |
11:15:37 | Bg3r | O11: yes |
11:15:41 | O11 | good |
11:15:52 | Bg3r | (when u disconnect the charger) |
11:16:22 | O11 | ok |
11:16:24 | linuxstb | Bagder: Any suggestions for "real" licenses which are close to what the author made up himself? |
11:16:35 | Bagder | the Apache license |
11:16:44 | Bagder | but that is not GPL compatible either |
11:17:11 | Bagder | otherwise I'd suggest just using the modified BSD one |
11:17:23 | petur | 2048/44100 |
11:17:31 | petur | wrong window ;) |
11:17:53 | O11 | what volume is it best to do a benchtest on? |
11:18:59 | Bg3r | O11: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
11:19:43 | Bg3r | wow |
11:20:03 | Bg3r | h320, 128kbps mp3, 2200mAh battery: 35h 21m (Disk Power Off: On) |
11:20:20 | jhMikeS | petur: sorry was busy...you said missing samples? |
11:20:39 | petur | jhMikeS: yes, between 1 and two seconds are gone |
11:21:17 | petur | happened so far 10:23 and 15:35 minutes into the recording, am now listening to the rest |
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11:22:15 | jhMikeS | I'm trying to think how that could happen |
11:22:47 | jhMikeS | What format? |
11:22:55 | petur | WAV stereo |
11:23:16 | petur | 16bit/44100 |
11:23:40 | O11 | Bg3r: that can't be true.. |
11:23:56 | O11 | Bg3r: but does it matter if I'm repeating a single song rather than an album? |
11:24:05 | Bg3r | O11: of course |
11:24:20 | ze | 5hmm |
11:24:27 | jhMikeS | So you have 1-2s of silence in the file? |
11:24:30 | ze | er doh |
11:24:33 | Bg3r | if you repeat a single song, (and it's size is less than the buffer memory), the disk won't spin up at all |
11:24:34 | amiconn | O11: It can very well be true |
11:24:53 | amiconn | I got >20 hours on H340 with 192kbps mp3, stock battery |
11:24:59 | petur | jhMikeS: no, they're just gone, the song (recording) skips |
11:25:03 | O11 | Bg3r: okay.. I'll put an album on then.. |
11:25:20 | O11 | amiconn: I got 1h 30m =P |
11:25:32 | amiconn | ...and H340 draws more power on spinup than H320, because of the dual-platter disk |
11:25:38 | Bg3r | O11: it should be more than 30mbytes |
11:25:50 | Bg3r | amiconn: are you sure ? |
11:26:42 | amiconn | Sure about what? |
11:26:56 | Bg3r | about H340 draws more power on spinup than H320, |
11:27:01 | jhMikeS | petur: hmmm...it produced a valid header for the file then... |
11:27:07 | amiconn | yes |
11:27:21 | amiconn | Two platters mean twice the mass |
11:28:37 | petur | jhMikeS: yes, the file is perfect, just the data never made it to the buffer that got writen to disk |
11:28:44 | O11 | is it good to use an album with a fixed bitrate? |
11:29:19 | Bg3r | O11: depends on what do you want to do .. |
11:29:36 | Bg3r | O11: if you want to compare your runtime to other battery |
11:29:48 | Bg3r | see the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
11:29:54 | Bg3r | and choose one |
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11:30:40 | jhMikeS | petur: somehow I'm think then that the samples were never received in the first place (one possibility and the simplest) |
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11:31:25 | O11 | H320 MP3 |
11:31:25 | O11 | 128kbps CBR |
11:31:25 | O11 | 2006-07-09 -32 35h 21m (Disk Power Off: On) 0 2200mAh Brand New |
11:31:29 | O11 | oops.. sorry |
11:31:49 | O11 | but yeah.. that looks like the right one to compare to.. |
11:32:44 | jhMikeS | petur: If any write error occurred then recording would've aborted entirely. |
11:33:08 | petur | jhMikeS: I don't follow. You mean the UDA didn't send them? sorry, that can't be. I think some buffer pointer updating went wrong and a whole bunch of chunks got dropped. Probably a glitch at the moment of disk writng |
11:33:20 | jhMikeS | petur: another is if the chunk buffer overflowed it would push the read index ahead |
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11:33:50 | O11 | Bg3r: damn.. 192 kbps is the worst I've got.. |
11:33:55 | jhMikeS | [jhMikeS] petur: another is if the chunk buffer overflowed it would push the read index ahead |
11:34:06 | petur | thanks |
11:34:21 | jhMikeS | If corruption happened it would crash-out real bad |
11:35:04 | jhMikeS | Something might've held up the pcm thread from flushing data |
11:35:20 | O11 | Bg3r: should I just go with that then? |
11:35:27 | petur | I bet on a glitch of updating chunk pointers and the encoder or disk writing |
11:35:35 | Bg3r | O11: go |
11:35:49 | petur | happened only twice and I'm now 30 minutes into the recording |
11:36:36 | petur | time between the two glitches was 5:12 minutes = 2 x time between WAV buffer writes |
11:36:42 | jhMikeS | petur: atm there's no pointers, just a size. The indexes are just incremented. Things would have to go horribly awry |
11:37:09 | O11 | argh |
11:37:27 | O11 | I got the problem that I was having before.. but now I know what causes it.. |
11:37:52 | O11 | when I go to plugins it says there are know files.. |
11:38:08 | O11 | after switched the .rockbox folder to hidden on the computer.. |
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11:38:14 | jhMikeS | petur: If flushing got held up then you'd get exactly what you're talking about. |
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11:38:38 | O11 | why does it do that? |
11:38:52 | jhMikeS | petur: and the file produced would be valid as it is |
11:39:19 | petur | jhMikeS: so it may be a priority issue like Linus suggested |
11:40:17 | petur | looking at the waveform I see nothing strange (no gaps/glitches/...) |
11:43:13 | jhMikeS | petur: indeed |
11:44:09 | petur | hmmm the second glitch seems to have one small block that doesn't belong there or maybe it's a part of the missing samples |
11:44:28 | jhMikeS | petur: if the samples at the breakpoint are close enough it can be difficult to spot. I can pause and resume and not get clicks |
11:45:54 | jhMikeS | How long is the glich? WAV comes in 2048 sample chunks atm |
11:46:08 | O11 | nobody know? |
11:46:11 | petur | there's a small part of 54ms that must come from the missing data |
11:46:36 | petur | the whole missing data length is between 1 and 2 seconds |
11:46:48 | petur | closer to two |
11:47:26 | petur | oh nice, audactiy crashed |
11:47:53 | O11 | okay.. I've solved my problem.. with the .rockbox folder you have to ONLY hide the folder.. not the files and subfolders.. |
11:48:28 | jhMikeS | petur: A chunk is about 46ms...can you put a link with about a second or two of audio at either side of the glitch? |
11:49:02 | petur | just a sec |
11:49:46 | petur | must reload the file in audacity - takes some time |
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11:54:43 | petur | jhMikeS: http://users.telenet.be/mieke-en-peter/glitch.wav |
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11:59:24 | jhMikeS | it's taking me awhile...my comp is swapping like crazy...too much stuff open |
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12:00:13 | petur | jhMikeS: just spotted another one 36:25 minutes into the recording, must also be around 2 seconds, and also has a little glitch inbetween |
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12:02:05 | petur | got to get some lunch - back in an hour |
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12:03:33 | O11 | argh.. I can't get password protection to work on my website =( |
12:03:41 | JdGordon | in settings.h @ the top there are #defines for various directories.. FONT_DIR, WPS_DIR etc, except some have ROCKBOX_DIR as part of the define and some dont, does that seem really silly to anyone else? |
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12:14:29 | pondlife | If I have an argument of type size_t to snprintf, what format specification type should I use? It's currently %ld, which works on the H300 device build, but gives a warning on the sim build. |
12:14:45 | pondlife | I really don't want to put an #ifdef in.. |
12:14:50 | JdGordon | anyone bored and want to test out a nice big patch? |
12:16:53 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding <- possibly commitable! |
12:17:04 | pondlife | Woooh! |
12:17:21 | pondlife | JdGordon: Bit busy at the moment to test, but good luck |
12:17:29 | JdGordon | ta |
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12:17:48 | JdGordon | size_t is just an int isnt it? just use %d? |
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12:18:22 | pondlife | %d works for the H300 sim, but gives a warning for the device. |
12:18:39 | pondlife | I wondered if there was a special % for size_t |
12:18:44 | JdGordon | typecast it to an int? |
12:18:49 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Will real values actually be able to be loaded directly into global_settings with your patch? |
12:19:00 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yes |
12:19:07 | JdGordon | i got that working a ahile ago |
12:19:09 | jhMikeS | perfect |
12:19:16 | chunu2 | sorry ppl me new just got a iriver h20gig and would like to try rockbox ....me missing loader if any help would be nice =) |
12:19:19 | JdGordon | no settings use it at the moment tho |
12:19:39 | pondlife | JdGordon: does it call the required routines when modifying audio settings too? e.g. crossfade requires special processing. |
12:19:41 | jhMikeS | It'll get used |
12:20:25 | JdGordon | pondlife: it can use the callbacks like currently, but this is where testing is needed, coz i dont know which need and which dont |
12:21:09 | JdGordon | Bagder: LinusN, amiconn, anyone around? settings.h has no consistancy in the _DIR #defines, is it better to define them all with ROCKBOX_DIR or without? |
12:21:22 | pondlife | Hmm, that's pretty important. I only recently fixed a crash caused by loading a CFG file during playback |
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12:22:20 | pondlife | I'll just cast size_t to be a long and hope that no negative silliness occurs... |
12:22:27 | JdGordon | pondlife: hmm... even without the callbacks set, the settings_apply functino is called when the main menu is exited so all changes are saved anyway |
12:23:09 | JdGordon | is it lunchtime or something? |
12:23:15 | pondlife | OK, I think there might be problems if global_settings is updated, then a yield occurs before settings_apply is called. |
12:23:39 | pondlife | Almost! |
12:23:40 | jhMikeS | damn! I got 88.2 monitoring to work on x5 *whew hew*...they all work now |
12:23:49 | preglow | :D |
12:24:01 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Great! Sorry, haven't had time to test here. |
12:24:05 | linuxstb | pondlife: Try using %08x - to display an unsigned long (which is size_t in Rockbox) as an 8 digit hex number |
12:24:07 | Slasheri | JdGordon: btw, when backing out from the settings, a "Cancelled" message is displayed for about 1s. I think that message is only annoying and slowing things down when checking the settings values |
12:24:22 | pondlife | linuxstb: Hmm, this should be decimal though! |
12:24:39 | pondlife | I'm using %lu with a cast to (unsigned long) |
12:24:44 | pondlife | Seems ok |
12:25:02 | JdGordon | Slasheri: yes, i agree... a concensus hgas sort of been formed on the mailng list how the settigns should work, so a patch will hopefully be done against current cvs to fix it soon |
12:25:27 | Slasheri | ok, sounds good :) |
12:25:57 | JdGordon | what do people think is better? #define WPS_DIR ROCKBOX_DIR "/wps" or #define WPS_DIR "/wps"? the lack of consistancy is painful :p |
12:26:13 | pondlife | The latter |
12:26:23 | Slasheri | yep |
12:26:23 | pondlife | Nope, sorry I meant the FORMER! |
12:26:49 | pondlife | We should use ROCKBOX_DIR to mean system-provided files |
12:26:49 | Slasheri | then WPS_DIR could be defined something like #define WPS_DIR ROCKBOX_DIR "/wps" |
12:27:22 | pondlife | Someone (Slasheri) had some good thoughts on user-vs-system data storage |
12:27:36 | pondlife | Slasheri: It was you wasn't it..? |
12:27:52 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, not sure about that |
12:28:17 | pondlife | Hmm, maybe someone else. Log search required, but I'm rather busy today. |
12:28:21 | Slasheri | ah, in fact i read that #define WPS_DIR_ROCKBOX_DIR ... because my monitor has quite dark texts |
12:28:27 | pondlife | Me too |
12:28:34 | Slasheri | :D |
12:28:40 | JdGordon | hehe, no there is a space there... |
12:29:01 | JdGordon | font_dir and lang_dir dont have rockbox_dir prepended but wps them and plugins all do |
12:29:10 | pondlife | They all should, IMHO |
12:29:34 | JdGordon | i tihnk so too |
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12:29:44 | pondlife | Does that just make it an absolute, rather than relative path? |
12:29:53 | JdGordon | yes |
12:30:14 | webguest63 | at what minimum battery voltage will Rockbox auto shutdown ? |
12:30:20 | Slasheri | but changing ROCKBOX_DIR value the path would still remain correct |
12:30:23 | Slasheri | so that sounds good |
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12:31:01 | pondlife | webguest63: I don't think there's an auto-shutdown. It tends to finish when it can't spin the drive up anymore... |
12:31:13 | pondlife | I may be wrong.... |
12:31:25 | webguest63 | ok, do you know more or less what batt voltage that happens at |
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12:31:50 | pondlife | On my H340 I don't like to let it get that far, but I'd guess around 3.5v |
12:32:24 | pondlife | I generally stop and charge once I'm below 3.7v |
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12:33:23 | webguest63 | I trying to set a wps flag for low batt voltage, causethe %bl indicators dont seem to be calibrated correctly |
12:34:13 | pondlife | Well, the best solution would be to calibrate them correctly. |
12:34:35 | pondlife | Rather than start a parallel system |
12:34:38 | webguest63 | true, but no coding skillzz |
12:34:52 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: You were right about #5500, It seems that the bug can't be reproduced anymore |
12:35:35 | pondlife | webguest63: why not play with your device and work out a sensible battery voltage-to-level mapping, someone else can then code it for you if you have the data. |
12:35:45 | pondlife | There's a wiki page to collect this IIRC |
12:35:54 | pondlife | Genre9mp3: Great, I'll close it.. |
12:36:02 | webguest63 | thanks, I'll have a look |
12:37:48 | pondlife | Anyone with an Archos had a look at this one btw: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6060 |
12:38:01 | webguest63 | what puzzles me is that it was right a while back and now it's out of whack, so there's been a change somewhere |
12:38:04 | pondlife | I'd like to know if it's really a button-map problem, or something else |
12:38:39 | pondlife | My Archos is dead, sadly |
12:39:12 | JdGordon | ah crap... how do i remove 2 files from the commit? |
12:39:24 | JdGordon | i thought i cleaned the build dir, but 2 files got through :'( |
12:39:28 | pondlife | Erm, already committed? |
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12:39:54 | pondlife | talk.c? |
12:40:08 | JdGordon | apps/fileutils.[c,h] |
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12:40:46 | pondlife | Ah. Not sure. CVS REMOVE..? |
12:41:33 | JdGordon | i dunno.... they wont be compiled anyway, so its no real big deal.. ill wait for the devs to return... i dont want to remove files accidently :p |
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13:01:20 | JdGordon | pinging for signs of life.... |
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13:07:44 | sneakums | Dublin gone. Everybody dead. |
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13:09:59 | aliask | I'm not dead. |
13:11:54 | sneakums | You left just in time. |
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13:19:18 | JdGordon | t0mas: knows how to use cvs doesnt he? |
13:21:13 | Bagder | JdGordon: what's the problem? |
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13:21:33 | JdGordon | i accidently commited 2 files and i dont know how to remove them.. |
13:21:50 | Bagder | remove or revert? |
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13:22:04 | JdGordon | remove, both are nwew files |
13:22:12 | JdGordon | fileutils.[c,h] in apps |
13:22:15 | Bagder | then you even accidentally added them |
13:22:21 | Bagder | so delete them |
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13:22:45 | JdGordon | delete them how? |
13:23:03 | Bagder | 1) delete file locally |
13:23:06 | tucoz | rm file.c ; cvs remove file.c |
13:23:06 | Bagder | 2) cvs commit file |
13:23:09 | Bagder | aah |
13:23:13 | Bagder | 1b) cvs rm file |
13:23:39 | tucoz | it's easier to do it on one line. then you can use tab-completion ;) |
13:25:02 | JdGordon | ok, thanks |
13:25:20 | JdGordon | ill stop using -m with commits incase that happens again |
13:25:58 | Bagder | you should rather stop committing without specifying which files |
13:26:17 | Bagder | but ok, without -m the mistake is easier to detect true |
13:26:42 | * | Bagder never uses -m |
13:26:49 | JdGordon | i did cvs up -dPC before i started so i wouldnt have to specify files, that doesnt remove locally added files tho aparently.. |
13:28:01 | obo | any news on the svn/git front? |
13:29:16 | Bagder | no |
13:31:19 | tucoz | isn't the compiler warning for the player wrong? Or is it because it is initialized within a while loop that the warning shows? |
13:33:12 | Bagder | yes |
13:33:18 | Bagder | since the while loop may never be entered |
13:33:24 | tucoz | ah |
13:33:37 | Bagder | then it truly is uninitialized below that |
13:33:59 | tucoz | right |
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13:37:14 | bluebrother | what is intended to switch to? svn? |
13:37:19 | LinusN | yes |
13:37:29 | tucoz | could h = 1 should be set on line 63 then? instead of in the while loop? |
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13:37:34 | tucoz | -should |
13:37:42 | psiborg | hiho |
13:37:43 | bluebrother | so no timetable yet but planned for the forseeable future? |
13:37:49 | LinusN | sort of |
13:38:11 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe I should get to know svn then some time ;-) |
13:38:21 | LinusN | :-) |
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13:38:38 | Bagder | bluebrother: for our simple uses, it is next to identical to cvs |
13:39:36 | bluebrother | would be nice to have some basic knowledge of svn anyway |
13:40:30 | psiborg | rockbox keeps forgetting my settings.. ;\ |
13:40:53 | bluebrother | psiborg, ipod? Have you hold enabled? |
13:41:03 | psiborg | ipod and i use hold |
13:41:06 | preglow | bluebrother: if you know cvs, you pretty much know svn, at least for rockbox use |
13:41:26 | bluebrother | psiborg, turn hold of. With hold enabled upon boot the settings get cleared. |
13:41:29 | bluebrother | this is intended. |
13:41:39 | tucoz | but you are able to delete/move files and directories with svn right? |
13:41:45 | psiborg | okay good to know, thanks |
13:42:08 | psiborg | is this in the manual? i didn't read all of it.. |
13:42:16 | bluebrother | moving would be nice for some manual stuff at least ... like the mosaique naming |
13:42:33 | tucoz | yes, and get rid of the old chapter directories on a clean checkout |
13:42:45 | bluebrother | psiborg, I don't think so. The bootloader description still needs work |
13:42:56 | bluebrother | but afaik it's in the IpodFAQ |
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13:43:19 | psiborg | okay.. so far i like rockbox.. just the settings thing and the everlasting tag cache thing on boot.. |
13:43:33 | bluebrother | everlasting tagcache on boot? |
13:43:53 | psiborg | i think it updates it, i cant play a tune in the meantime |
13:44:07 | psiborg | takes at least 15mins of not more |
13:44:10 | bluebrother | does it say anything? |
13:44:23 | psiborg | i'm not sure.. i'll try and get it up again |
13:44:27 | bluebrother | tagcache updates in background, so you should be able using your ipod normally. |
13:44:46 | bluebrother | after the first initialization it says "committing tagcache" on boot |
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13:45:08 | Id2ndR | hello everybody |
13:46:07 | Id2ndR | I've read on the website that nobody have an iaudio M5 so, nobody is working on a port from X5 |
13:46:49 | Id2ndR | I've got one but I've only known C language for a few time |
13:47:22 | Id2ndR | Where can I found other informations about things to do, how to test... ? |
13:47:39 | bluebrother | Id2ndR, see the NewPorts wiki page |
13:47:44 | Bagder | Id2ndR: there is no port for M5 (yet) so there's nothing to test until you make one |
13:48:17 | Bagder | the M5 is basically an X5 with a greyscale LCD, quite possibly similar to the h1x0 one |
13:48:22 | tucoz | Bagder, what mail adress do you use @rockbox or @haxx? |
13:48:36 | psiborg | it doesnt do anything now.. i'll report back later :) |
13:48:38 | Bagder | tucoz: both end up at the same place |
13:48:46 | tucoz | ok. thanks |
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13:50:09 | PaulJam | pondlife: i was able to reproduce the bug with the trackdisplay not changing and the noise when the track changes. |
13:50:22 | PaulJam | with a cvs build from yesterday |
13:50:25 | Id2ndR | thanks to you answers bluebrother an Bagder |
13:50:43 | pondlife | PaulJam: reliably? |
13:51:34 | pondlife | PaulJam: any particular settings? crossfade? auto-change dir? etc etc. And could you do it on the sim, or do you think it'll be timing related? |
13:51:41 | pondlife | So many questions.... |
13:51:58 | PaulJam | pondlife: unfortunately not. or at least i haven't found out how to trigger it reliably |
13:52:06 | pondlife | I've got my sim showing the debug menu and hence the audio thread monitor now... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6110 |
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13:53:04 | pondlife | PaulJam: I have had it happen, but only rarely and so I can't really debug it (or know if it's fixed). It seems to be a result of a buffer underflow - I guess a pointer is getting moved too far.. |
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13:54:03 | pondlife | Oops, typo in that patch... |
13:55:10 | PaulJam | i have some settings changed, but according to the forumthread it also happens with default settings (only repeat set to off) |
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13:55:57 | pondlife | I was wondering if only happened if auto-change directory was enabled. |
13:56:42 | pondlife | Certainly I've not seen the reported problem where playing a second album manually starts doing odd things (on the 2nd track for example). |
13:56:58 | pondlife | Only when skipping and a buffer underrun occurs. |
13:58:13 | PaulJam | i had autochange dir set to off and played an album. when it was finished and i was in browser mode again, i selected another album and playerd it.. |
13:59:02 | PaulJam | ..when the first track of the new album was finished playback stopped and returned to the browser.. |
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14:00:14 | PaulJam | ..and then i played it again and this time it continued playing after the first track, but then tis bug occured. |
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14:02:02 | PaulJam | btw, it seems as if this doesn't happen imideately on the first track of the second album, but after the first bufferfill. |
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14:08:04 | pondlife | PaulJam: Did anyone actually file a bug report yet? ;-) |
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14:08:26 | pondlife | That is consistent with the reports I've heard from elsewhere though |
14:08:34 | pondlife | Which device, btw? |
14:08:39 | PaulJam | h300 |
14:08:45 | pondlife | Same here.. |
14:09:20 | pondlife | Did you have dircache on? |
14:09:29 | PaulJam | yes |
14:09:37 | pondlife | What about tagcache and/or voice? |
14:10:13 | pondlife | I am experimenting with a tiny buffer size here to see if I can make it fail. (By allocating and wasting 27MB.) |
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14:10:33 | PaulJam | tagcache is initialized, but on disk and autoupdate os off; a voicefile is not present |
14:10:58 | pondlife | OK |
14:11:14 | pondlife | Crossfade off too? |
14:11:30 | pondlife | That would at least eliminate another suspect... |
14:11:46 | PaulJam | crosfade is off |
14:12:14 | pondlife | Good |
14:12:52 | pondlife | Well, if you manage to get anything like a reproducible case, please pop it on Flyspray. |
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14:16:37 | PaulJam | what i did to reproduce the bug was basically the procedure described in this post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6739.msg52517#msg52517 |
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14:19:37 | psiborg | where do i drop the doom wad file? :) |
14:20:46 | PaulJam | /games/doom/ |
14:21:04 | psiborg | thanks |
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14:27:57 | PaulJam | is it normal, that if i select the last song of an album the trackcount in the audiodebug menu shows 2 ? |
14:32:10 | psiborg | i just got an icon probably meaning 'low battery' but i just charged it.. |
14:32:34 | psiborg | btw icons are no good without a textual explanation.. |
14:34:43 | Genre9mp3 | Aren't icons supposed to replace textual explanations? |
14:35:08 | PaulJam | how did it look, and where did it appear? |
14:36:19 | psiborg | Genre9mp3: yes replace, but a textual explanation should be offered as an alternative, because icons aren't clear usually.. |
14:36:37 | psiborg | they're only clear if you've used them for while |
14:37:05 | Genre9mp3 | ..or maybe took some advice from the manual |
14:37:07 | psiborg | doom says its missing the base wad |
14:37:30 | psiborg | nobody reads or wants to read manuals :) |
14:37:48 | psiborg | gui's should be self-explanatory, for mp3 players especially |
14:38:38 | Genre9mp3 | Sure... but icons most of the time are self-explanatory... when you can't figure out though, checking the manual always help |
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14:39:00 | Bagder | I never understand icons |
14:39:41 | psiborg | understanding of icons is based on prior knowledge and this differs among users |
14:40:17 | Bagder | I don't even understand the icons on my gsm phone |
14:40:23 | Bagder | I read the text for them |
14:40:28 | psiborg | i like icons for simple warnings and actions better than text usually because they're faster to register in the brain, but you do need to know what they mean first :) |
14:40:51 | * | Genre9mp3 can't understand how a battery icon for instance cannot be understood |
14:41:12 | psiborg | they need to be clear, intuitive and distinctive, but not lacking an explanation in text |
14:41:48 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: why not? why would a battery even be shaped like a cylinder these days? |
14:41:57 | psiborg | well i dont understand why i get a better with a little part of it darker than the rest with an exclamation mark when i disconnect my ipod from the usb.. |
14:42:04 | psiborg | better=battery * |
14:42:46 | Bagder | the battery icon is a perfect example of recognition since you've seen the same symbol elsewhere |
14:42:50 | PaulJam | but if there would a text for every icon in the statusbar there wouldn't be any screenspace left on devices with a small display |
14:43:21 | psiborg | the text should only be displayed at request of the user |
14:43:28 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: Everyone is familiar with the "cylinder" battery icon |
14:43:32 | psiborg | otherwise it would defeat the purpose of icons |
14:44:06 | Bagder | I'd never say "everyone" but sure most are |
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14:44:06 | Genre9mp3 | And as PaulJam said, icons save space |
14:44:07 | psiborg | i wouldn't say everyone, but probably everyone with a mp3 player.. :)( |
14:44:44 | psiborg | icons are good, unexplained icons are bad :) |
14:45:04 | aliask | I think it'd be nice to have an icon to accompany splash()'s, especially on large LCDs. |
14:45:14 | psiborg | at the very least an explanation in the manual, but preferably also one on the device |
14:45:26 | bluebrother | explanation for what? |
14:46:17 | * | bluebrother doesn't has seen too much icons in Rockbox |
14:46:23 | Genre9mp3 | Besides... you have to get familiar with a gui anyway |
14:47:07 | bluebrother | this ignorance against manuals is really annoying |
14:51:13 | Genre9mp3 | I don't find it "extremely awful" for someone to be bored to read the manual on its entity, It's very common to experiment and try to understand how things work on your own, but I cannot understand the complaints when you can figure out something and still refuse to get help from the manual |
14:52:32 | XavierGr | At start I never read the manual, after I get used to the device I will always read it thoroughly just in case I missed something. Ofcourse I never ask for help from others if there is something that I don't understand and haven't read the manual |
14:52:56 | aliask | JdGordon: New menu patch won't compile properly. "No rule to make target `menus/exported_menus.h'" |
14:53:06 | psiborg | haha, i love that doom port :) |
14:53:41 | bluebrother | Genre9mp3, that's the way I feel. Usually I get to know something without the manual, but if I'm stuck somewhere I try looking it up in the manual |
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14:54:33 | aliask | My opinion is that ideally, you shouldn't need the manual. You should be able to figure out what to do by reading error messages, and using common sense. |
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14:59:29 | bluebrother | this will always depend on the basic knowledge the user already has. |
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15:00:33 | aliask | Of course. Stupid users will always need the manual, and particularly esoteric features may require explanation (eg shelf filters in equalizers) |
15:01:22 | bluebrother | when I started using Rockbox there wasn't a manual at all and Rockbox was good enough for me to cope with nearly everything. |
15:01:47 | bluebrother | I needed to get used to the button layout and some different concepts. But that's it. |
15:02:28 | bluebrother | so I don't think Rockbox is too complicated in that sense. Users replacing there players firmware should have some basic knowledge of what they're doing |
15:03:01 | aliask | Rockbox is reasonably good in this sense, I wasn't complaining. When I converted the only issue I had was how to get back to WPS from the browser. |
15:03:43 | psiborg | yea it's pretty complicated ;) |
15:04:00 | psiborg | just randomly pressing buttons helps deal with that complexity ;p |
15:04:38 | aliask | What particular parts did you have trouble with psiborg? |
15:06:15 | psiborg | pretty much everything, but i still like to work with it, so i guess im just whining;) |
15:06:57 | aliask | Well, it would help to know specific things, because then we could take them into consideration to make them more user friendly. |
15:07:47 | psiborg | i might make a list :) |
15:08:31 | psiborg | k irc addiction starting to kick in.. i'll need to leave the house now.. |
15:08:32 | psiborg | buh bye |
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15:09:44 | PaulJam | maybe someone should program a helpful paperclip, that as soon as you enter a different screen pops up and explains what you can do in this screen (icons, buttons...). |
15:10:50 | tucoz | PaulJam, eeeww |
15:10:57 | aliask | Also, have it make suggesti−− presumptions as you what you want to do! |
15:11:33 | Bagder | "it looks like you want to remove all your music, I'll do it for you. Press 'OK' to continue" |
15:11:45 | aliask | Giving the user a choice? That's no fun :) |
15:12:13 | Bagder | not a choice, just a moment to wonder what else there is to do but to press the only available option :-) |
15:12:23 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam, eeeewww indeed! |
15:13:31 | tucoz | I remember a harmless program someone wrote for DOS called Panic. When you started that, everything looked normal. But if you typed a command like dir, it said "Formatting drive C. Press any key to continue" |
15:13:33 | PaulJam | i was of course only kidding. - for rockbox it should be a clef instead of a paperclip |
15:13:59 | Bagder | hehehe |
15:14:04 | aliask | Hah, funny thing is that'd look nice too. |
15:14:15 | Bagder | we can't have that |
15:14:16 | tucoz | and it "formatted" the drive. but after a while, the program stopped telling the user he had been panicked ;) |
15:14:28 | Genre9mp3 | My Nokia phone has that: helpful text that pops up after some seconds if you leave it idle, covers up the whole screen, telling you what you can do, making you feel that you are dumb all the time, and it can't be disabled! :< |
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15:14:51 | aliask | Genre9mp3: I'm pretty sure it can be disabled. |
15:15:00 | aliask | I had that on my old phone, and you could turn it off. |
15:15:04 | Genre9mp3 | aliask: No, it cannot...trust me |
15:15:20 | aliask | Joy. |
15:18:54 | XavierGr | well Genre9mp3 as you said it appears after some seconds, your Phone has icons for menu, so why don't you just press what you want to do instead of idling? |
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15:19:26 | dpro | hi there |
15:19:34 | XavierGr | then you will never see that annoying text |
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15:19:40 | aliask | hi dpro |
15:20:11 | dpro | anyone knows why the jpeg viewer plugin won't zoom on ipod (might be a question of mount -t clue /dev/rtfm /mnt/brain though) |
15:20:37 | XavierGr | do you play music while trying to zoom? |
15:20:45 | dpro | but in the code it looks like scroll fwd/back should do it ... |
15:21:05 | dpro | hmmm I _think_ I tried without ... but lemme check |
15:21:33 | lini | scroll clockwise, works for me |
15:21:41 | aliask | It should ask if you if you want to stop the music anyway. |
15:21:43 | XavierGr | If I remember correctly there are some cases where memory isn't enough to zoom when playing music |
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15:22:02 | lini | hm, i am playing music atm and it managed to zoom |
15:22:22 | XavierGr | aliask: yeah it should, I mad a patch about that but I am not sure if it is commited |
15:22:24 | lini | although it's a small image so only 1 level of zoom is needed |
15:22:25 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: It's just annoying... you may get into the menu and get distracted for a while and there you have it... At least it should be optional |
15:23:08 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: But anyways, usually I press the buttons quickly so I don't get that |
15:25:22 | aliask | Hrm, somone should write a patch to include the zoom and next/prev file options in the menu. |
15:25:34 | aliask | Maybe it will be me when my exams are done. |
15:26:32 | dpro | XavierGr: cheers works if I stop playback ... |
15:27:34 | XavierGr | the patch is somewhere in the tracker, but it will be quite outdated now. |
15:27:46 | aliask | I must have been running some patched build when I saw it. |
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15:28:38 | webguest98 | Genre9mp3: At least a bit older Nokia phones have Settings->Phone settings->Help text activation (on/off) |
15:29:13 | aliask | webguest98: Bingo. That's what it was on my 3200. |
15:29:45 | JdGordon | aliask: damn, its compiling here so i dunno whats wrong.. ill fix it tormoow |
15:29:58 | JdGordon | possibly the file is missing from the patch |
15:30:05 | Genre9mp3 | webguest98: I know, there is this setting on some models |
15:30:11 | aliask | JdGordon: The file doesn't exist. |
15:30:18 | JdGordon | ok, that would be why then |
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15:30:29 | JdGordon | ill upload it to the wiki now then |
15:30:47 | aliask | Good-o, I'll test it tomorrow while I'm at school. |
15:31:08 | dpro | ah and I have been a bit away recently and it seems pitched playback on ipod got a lot better ... I just tried and had only one dropout with pitched playback |
15:31:21 | dpro | I guess I meant to say "congrats" ;) |
15:32:07 | dpro | gotta take a walk ... nice sunshine over here ttyl |
15:32:37 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Are you talking about this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4840 |
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15:33:00 | XavierGr | yeah probably |
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15:33:29 | XavierGr | I would be amazed if this thing could apply to current cvs |
15:35:37 | XavierGr | maybe I should try to update it |
15:35:58 | XavierGr | though I think that jpeg.c has been changed a lot since that patch |
15:41:29 | tyrone | how do i download a cvr build |
15:41:32 | tyrone | im looking for plugins |
15:43:21 | tyrone | i downloaded a stable build but there where no plugins or maybe i dont know how to install plugins |
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15:43:47 | markun | tyrone: yes, somethings wrong with the daily builds |
15:44:44 | markun | tyrone: go to the "cvs builds" page and download rockbox.zip for your player under "Bleeding edge builds" |
15:44:49 | godzirra | Slasheri: you about? |
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16:08:06 | tyrone | thanx dude |
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16:21:13 | tyrone | hi where cani get more themes |
16:21:42 | tyrone | thanx for the help with the bleeding edge builds |
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16:22:45 | Genre9mp3 | tyrone: Which target? |
16:23:37 | Genre9mp3 | What player do you have? |
16:24:31 | bluebrother | tyrone, http://www.rockbox-themes.org or the themes pages in the wiki |
16:24:52 | bluebrother | look for WpsGallery |
16:25:04 | Genre9mp3 | heh...apparently... :) |
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16:46:15 | lamed | hey guys. who have edited my post and added the description so nicely for me :) ? |
16:47:54 | lamed | "apps/gui/splash.c 1.10 Improved code for the splash function: spare some calculation, fix a bug for screens wider then 255 (ipod 5g), fix FS #5775 by displaying complete lines instead of word by word." |
16:48:46 | lamed | and a short notice to no one in perticular: I don't think you can go back to the RB homepage with the new left side web menu |
16:49:32 | Genre9mp3 | lamed: You can by clicking the logo |
16:50:53 | lamed | you're so smart :) |
16:51:16 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
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17:04:10 | lamed | no one knows about the splash() description change? |
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17:26:52 | Angry41 | can anyone explain how to use the bmp2rb tool from the devkit... Need a Bitmap in Hex fro rockbox... Any help appreciated |
17:27:31 | markun | Angry41: what do you want to know about it? |
17:30:02 | dpro | Angry41: bmp2rb -f FORMAT my.bmp > myheader.h ? |
17:31:41 | Angry41 | Cygwin: Command not found |
17:31:59 | Angry41 | Cygwin say command not found |
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17:32:23 | dpro | Angry41: maybe try with the full path ? |
17:32:27 | linuxstb | Angry41: Are you adding a new bitmap to Rockbox, or changing an existing one? |
17:33:07 | Angry41 | I need a new one |
17:33:36 | dpro | Angry41: you got the source from cvs ? did you actually _build_ bmp2rb ? maybe needs a compiler for win ... |
17:34:51 | Kohlrabi | if you didn't add . to path you have to execute "./bmp2rb" probably |
17:35:14 | Angry41 | that ./bmp2rb works |
17:35:26 | Angry41 | ^^ |
17:35:28 | Angry41 | THanx |
17:35:29 | Kohlrabi | dpro was right then ;) |
17:36:16 | Angry41 | I am not into that UNIX stiuff... Learning now through rockbox... Tried . ./bmp2rb but that was false^^ |
17:39:10 | linuxstb | Angry41: If you want to add a new bitmap, you should put it in apps/bitmaps/ (or apps/plugins/bitmaps if you're writing a plugin) and let the Rockbox build system convert it automatically. |
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17:40:05 | linuxstb | i.e. you don't need to run bmp2rb yourself at all. |
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17:51:03 | NapuleMax | Hi! |
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17:52:52 | NapuleMax | its possible change the keys config to emulate the real ipod's keys (on an rockbox-ipod nano) ???????? |
17:54:10 | linuxstb | Rockbox has different features, so the keys have to different.... What specifically don't you like? |
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17:56:54 | NapuleMax | on my rockbox-ipod it would like, when play a song, press MENU to come BACK (to file browser) and SELECT to access into "Random/Repeat/etc.. menu) |
17:58:05 | NapuleMax | generally.....MENU button = BACK, SELECT = Random menu (when play)/Settings Menu (when in the main screen) etc.. |
17:59:04 | NapuleMax | its a little bit ugly, when play a song, push SELECT to come back, push LEFT to come back to file browser etc.. |
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18:07:05 | linuxstb | Well, MENU is used to bring up the menu... That seems a logical use for a button marked "menu", rather than it meaning "back". |
18:07:31 | linuxstb | If you want to change the key mappings yourself, you can edit the Rockbox source and compile your own build. |
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18:13:50 | t0mas | [13:19:21] <JdGordon> t0mas: knows how to use cvs doesnt he? |
18:13:53 | t0mas | still needed? |
18:14:15 | t0mas | oh, probably not... as he's not here :) |
18:14:26 | bluebrother | t0mas, I don't think so. |
18:14:37 | bluebrother | :) |
18:23:54 | Kajarii | Are any of the players that support rockbox still being manufactured? |
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18:24:18 | nls | the x5 is afaik |
18:24:42 | Kajarii | interesting. |
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18:25:28 | linuxstb | You should still be able to buy the supported ipods as well (old Nano and old Video/5g) |
18:26:04 | Kajarii | Interesting. The stores here are all selling the 6G ipods now I think. |
18:26:28 | linuxstb | They're not really 6G, just very slightly different 5G. |
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18:26:40 | linuxstb | Some people call them 5.5G, but even that is overstating it. |
18:26:51 | Kajarii | oh ok. |
18:27:29 | Kajarii | What kind of battery life do you get from those? |
18:28:12 | linuxstb | On the ipods, Rockbox has a power problem and battery life is a lot less than the Apple firmware - around 10hours I think for a 5g. |
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18:29:13 | linuxstb | On the X5, I think Rockbox gets about the same runtime as the Cowon firmware, but I don't know the numbers. |
18:29:30 | Kajarii | ahh. |
18:29:33 | Kajarii | interesting. |
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18:29:53 | Kajarii | One of the iriver ones looked nice but I see they don't make those these days. |
18:30:42 | Kajarii | I'm guessing q6 ogg files would drain an ipod's battery rather quickly. |
18:32:07 | nls | about the same as ~192kbps MP3 I think |
18:32:10 | linuxstb | Some battery tests are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
18:33:37 | Kajarii | ok. I'm just trying to make a reasonably informed decision before I go plunk down a bunch of cash. |
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18:49:27 | tyrone | hi all |
18:50:12 | tyrone | i recently downloaded a new build once ive loaded it how do i install plugins |
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18:51:07 | nls | If you loaded the build properly you should have plugins installed |
18:51:18 | tyrone | cool |
18:51:28 | tyrone | thanx sorry new at this rock box thing |
18:51:35 | nls | sure |
18:51:37 | Genre9mp3 | tyrone: In case you missed this: |
18:51:38 | Genre9mp3 | [16:43] <markun> tyrone: yes, somethings wrong with the daily builds |
18:51:40 | Genre9mp3 | [16:43] <markun> tyrone: go to the "cvs builds" page and download rockbox.zip for your player under "Bleeding edge builds" |
18:51:43 | tyrone | can you teach me some cool new things i can do |
18:52:09 | nls | you can look in the mauak ;-) |
18:52:14 | nls | manual |
18:52:18 | tyrone | thanx i did download the latest bleeding edge build |
18:52:38 | markun | tyrone: you should also download the font package from the daily build page btw |
18:52:45 | tyrone | on cool i will |
18:52:58 | tyrone | but it loks like you guys been using rock box for a while |
18:53:18 | tyrone | i was just wondering if you knew of any cool things i did not know about |
18:53:36 | nls | markun, how does the gigabeat compare to the h300 size wise? |
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19:19:02 | markun | nls: 240x320 |
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19:19:45 | markun | the h300 has a 220x176 screen |
19:19:50 | nls | i meant physical size, how big is it compared to the h300 |
19:20:06 | nls | but that screen sure looks nice :-) |
19:20:10 | markun | Ah, well the F series has a 2.2" screen, the X series 2.4" |
19:20:29 | markun | The h300 has a 2.0" screen? |
19:21:41 | nls | I think so or maybe 2.2 but how big is the actual gigabeat player? |
19:21:47 | Kajarii | any clue which stores sell these iaudio things? |
19:22:09 | nls | Kajarii, where are you located? |
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19:22:15 | Kajarii | I'm in Canada |
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19:22:38 | nls | then I'm of no help |
19:22:57 | Kajarii | I'll be in the US next week though on vacation. |
19:23:02 | Kajarii | I could look there. |
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19:23:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kajarii: Does Newegg.com deliver to canada? |
19:24:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would assume they do. |
19:24:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you never really know with these things, and natural craziness of the world. |
19:24:28 | Kajarii | yeah, they do. |
19:24:32 | mhite | I hope this doesn't sound bad, but does anyone else get thoroughly lost trying to navigate the user interface on ROckbox iPod? |
19:24:44 | * | hcs did for the first few days |
19:24:47 | Kajarii | I was just trying to find one. |
19:25:00 | Kajarii | so I could see what I'm getting before I go buy one. |
19:25:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | mhite: There's a couple button inconsistencies to get use to (primarily the play button only working in the file browser, not the menus) but other than that not really. |
19:25:15 | mhite | Sometimes I have the hardest freakin time getting back to the "Now Playing" screen. |
19:25:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | mhite: Just hit left 'till your back to the filetree, then play. |
19:25:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | filetree or tagcache |
19:26:05 | mhite | Thanks Paul! |
19:26:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really wish we could just get that play-to-wps patch committed. I wish I could remember what, if anything, was holding it back |
19:26:20 | mhite | What is play-to-wps? |
19:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can press the play button anywhere in the menuing system (unless you're actually in the middle of changing a setting) and it takes you to the WPS |
19:26:59 | mhite | (wps is the currently playing info screen, right?) |
19:27:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, While Playing Screen |
19:27:33 | pixelma | Paul_The_Nerd: if I understand you correctly it wouldn't work on the Ondio |
19:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | pixelma: Why's that? |
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19:28:18 | pixelma | as "Play" is the "Right" button and used to choose an item or submenu... |
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19:28:26 | amiconn | Imho play-to-wps doesn't make sense |
19:28:53 | amiconn | It goes against the rest of the ui concept |
19:28:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It's more of "Resume playback from anywhere" |
19:29:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It just maps the "resume" button so that it works while in the menus, not just the filetree |
19:29:27 | amiconn | Yeah, but the menu is a menu, and resume doesn't have to do with that |
19:29:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is there's no way to quick-exit the menus if you're more than one level in. |
19:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | There should ideally be a button that "clears" the menu independent of where you are in it, since it's considered to overlay everything else. |
19:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | True that it should restore you to the filetree if that's where you invoked the menu from, though. |
19:31:58 | Genre9mp3 | nls: The Gigabeat F is 4.2x2.5x0.6 inch (that is 107x64x15 mm) while the H300 are: 103x62x22 mm (H320) and 103x62x25 mm (H340) |
19:32:24 | Genre9mp3 | nls: So the size is pretty much the same with the exception that the H300 is thicker |
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19:32:35 | markun | The X is quite a bit smaller |
19:33:08 | nls | thanks, Genre9mp3, I'm gett the "new player itch" :), wonder if I can get ahold of one here. |
19:33:40 | Genre9mp3 | BTW, a nice page that you can compare sizes visually is here: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/sizeup |
19:35:10 | Genre9mp3 | markun, the X? |
19:35:33 | markun | 99.3 x 59.3 x 14.5 mm |
19:35:47 | markun | Gigabeat X30 |
19:35:59 | nls | ooh that is tiny ;-) |
19:36:17 | Genre9mp3 | I didn't knew that there was an X, too... I only knew about F and S |
19:36:22 | markun | X60 is a bit thicker of course |
19:36:31 | nls | the h320 is too big to have comfortably in a pocket. |
19:36:47 | markun | Genre9mp3: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050920/tos1_05.jpg |
19:36:59 | markun | F20 left and X30 right |
19:37:02 | Genre9mp3 | Ah...nice |
19:37:25 | Genre9mp3 | So, you work at the X series, too? |
19:37:32 | markun | The only thing 'missing' are the button lights |
19:37:57 | markun | the hardware inside is the same as the F series |
19:38:06 | markun | S series is different |
19:38:24 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Quick-exiting the menu would probably be useful, and should be done by the same button that enters the menu |
19:38:49 | amiconn | Resume-from-menu would probably cause serious problems |
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19:39:11 | amiconn | There are situations where playback should not, or even must not be resumed |
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19:39:59 | Genre9mp3 | markun: So Rockbox will eventually work on F and X only, right? |
19:40:09 | amiconn | (examples: Menus within plugins, context menu, recording options while recording...) |
19:40:11 | markun | yes, for now |
19:40:15 | Genre9mp3 | cool |
19:40:33 | markun | the software of the S is done by microsoft and there has not been a firmware update yet |
19:41:00 | markun | someone with a gigabeat S first needs to figure out how to run his own code. |
19:41:12 | markun | Also, I don't think it support UMS mode |
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19:45:53 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how similar is MS Zune to the Gigabeat |
19:46:04 | O11 | This is so nice.. just got back from school and my benchtest is still running =) |
19:46:27 | O11 | makes a change from my old 1/2 hour runtime.. =D |
19:48:23 | danimo | moin! |
19:48:43 | bluebrother | moin moin! |
19:50:20 | danimo | I'm trying to get the bootload installed on my iAudio X5L |
19:50:36 | danimo | I moved the bootloader into the firmware directory |
19:51:46 | danimo | do I need x5 or x5v? |
19:52:43 | bluebrother | x5 afaik −− x5l is identical to x5 except for the battery |
19:52:48 | Kajarii | sweet! |
19:52:57 | Kajarii | staples has iaudio x5 in stock |
19:52:57 | danimo | and more hd capacity |
19:53:03 | danimo | what does the v add? |
19:54:18 | obo | it removes the radio |
19:54:19 | bluebrother | v = no radio, no recording |
19:54:31 | bluebrother | but don't quote me on this, I don't own an x5 |
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20:01:00 | mirak | hi |
20:01:25 | danimo | ah |
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20:18:17 | Angry41 | @barrywardell "ive got a little question about the bootloader" |
20:18:23 | barrywardell | yup |
20:18:29 | barrywardell | ask away |
20:18:40 | Angry41 | It differs from the models mtp ums pure |
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20:19:17 | Angry41 | i remember that i needed a special one for my MTP version but i can just find one file bootloader/h10.c |
20:19:30 | barrywardell | there are three versions: 20GB, 5/6GB MTP, 5/6GB UMS |
20:19:59 | barrywardell | it's the exact same code used for all three |
20:20:09 | Angry41 | so whats the difference |
20:20:16 | barrywardell | only the way the mi4 is made is different |
20:20:35 | linuxstb | Isn't the LCD driver different as well? |
20:20:37 | barrywardell | actually, the 20GB is different from the other two because of the screen size |
20:21:16 | Angry41 | Ok... so you cant define that through cygwin... tools/configure -> bootloader doent give me a selection between MTP and UMS |
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20:22:20 | barrywardell | no |
20:22:32 | Angry41 | wny advice ^^ |
20:22:34 | Angry41 | any |
20:22:46 | barrywardell | you can use scramble to make the mi4 file from bootloader.bin |
20:23:40 | barrywardell | -mi4v2 is for UMS, -mi4v3 is for MTP |
20:24:15 | mirak | I am trying to debug with eclipse CDT. Problem is I don't see how to pass arguments to the debuggued application |
20:24:41 | barrywardell | so for example in your build dir, run ../tools/scramble -mi4v2 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10.mi4 |
20:25:58 | Angry41 | works |
20:26:39 | Angry41 | And another question ;-) which way have the Bitmaps to be converted to HEX ???? same as H300 models?? |
20:28:31 | Angry41 | Byte swapped or not byte swapped? |
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20:30:55 | Angry41 | Sorry i am really scared playing around with the bootloader ^^ |
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20:35:22 | linuxstb | Angry41: Looking in tools/configure, the 20GB appears to need "-f 4", and the 5GB needs "-f 5" |
20:37:11 | mirak | ok it's my fault, the first argument is argv[1] and not 0 |
20:37:42 | mirak | anyone is using CDT plugin for eclipse ? That's really nice, and the debugging facility is really nice too |
20:37:44 | dpassen1 | argv[0] is the name of the executable |
20:38:40 | mirak | there is also a disassembled view of the code |
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20:39:15 | mirak | for linux I don't know if there is something equivalent |
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20:40:22 | Angry41 | Why didnt i look there before <<−−- IDIOT ^^ |
20:42:15 | mirak | Angry41: are you from hardware forum ? |
20:48:40 | Angry41 | misticiriver forum maybe the only one ^^ |
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21:28:22 | ForgottenMemory | Anyone know how to make a custom boot screen? |
21:29:05 | danimo | is it possible to theme the normal menu? |
21:29:35 | markun | no |
21:29:44 | ALEXWASTE | forgotten: just edit the correct file in apps/bitmaps/native/ |
21:30:02 | nls | danimo, you can use a custom backdrop and colors and a font |
21:30:08 | ForgottenMemory | well i have an iPod i want to change the rockbox screen that pops up when i run rockbox |
21:30:10 | Genre9mp3 | danimo: You can place a backdrop image on colour targets |
21:30:25 | markun | danimo: the only thing you can do is set a background image |
21:30:32 | markun | :) |
21:31:11 | Genre9mp3 | ForgottenMemory: Which iPod you have? |
21:31:14 | ALEXWASTE | forgotten: you might also want to check out http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/ i guess |
21:31:16 | ForgottenMemory | 5G |
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21:32:14 | Genre9mp3 | ForgottenMemory: Then you have to replace apps\bitmaps\native\rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp with what you want and then compile |
21:32:40 | danimo | markun: all via the menu? |
21:33:25 | markun | danimo: first you have a create a 24-bit BMP image with the same size as your screen |
21:34:06 | markun | then brin up the context menu by holding the select button of you player on the image and choose 'set as backdrop' |
21:34:10 | ForgottenMemory | i dont even see the folder apps |
21:34:18 | danimo | ah |
21:34:25 | danimo | markun: and the colors? |
21:34:33 | markun | what about them? |
21:34:58 | danimo | markun: can I set them directly via the menu? |
21:35:01 | markun | yes |
21:35:12 | markun | just search a bit in the menu. You will find it. |
21:35:18 | danimo | ok, thanks |
21:35:25 | Genre9mp3 | ForgottenMemory: It's in the source |
21:35:34 | ForgottenMemory | eh? |
21:35:56 | Genre9mp3 | You have to download the source... not the build |
21:36:08 | ForgottenMemory | where can i get the source |
21:36:18 | Genre9mp3 | You'll then have to compile the source and create your own build with your custom logo |
21:36:49 | ForgottenMemory | so i have to make my own build? if thats the case nvm..... what bout patches wut or where do i put them |
21:37:47 | Genre9mp3 | ForgottenMemory: Same scenario...you have to apply them into the source and then compile |
21:38:34 | ForgottenMemory | all this complications... All ive been able to do is change themes and put rockboy,doom, and pacman |
21:39:01 | ForgottenMemory | no easy way huh? |
21:39:44 | Genre9mp3 | That's the only way... patches are actually parts of code |
21:40:01 | ForgottenMemory | what does the iPodpatcher do i have it on the root of my iPod |
21:40:28 | mirak | is there a compile option that don't put into object files the unused functions ? |
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21:41:06 | Genre9mp3 | ForgottenMemory: I don't have an iPod, maybe someone else can answer your question |
21:41:17 | nls | ForgottenMemory, it patches the ipod firmware image and is only (on the computer) used when installing. |
21:41:38 | ForgottenMemory | so it cant automatically patch the iPod with a patch? |
21:42:01 | pixelma | ForgottenMemory: some people offer precompiled builds with applied patches... I guess you can find some in the link that's been given to you before |
21:42:39 | ForgottenMemory | thx anyways |
21:42:49 | nls | ForgottenMemory, It doesn't do that kind off patching, it combines the of image with the rockbox bootloader (I think) |
21:42:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | ForgottenMemory: iPodPatcher is just used for writing the bootloader to the iPod. It "patches" the firmware partition, and really isn't related to "patches" in terms of Rockbox patches at all. |
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21:44:17 | ForgottenMemory | one more question before i go..... rockbox doesnt have its own bootloader does it like ipl? |
21:44:28 | nls | yes it does |
21:44:44 | nls | but it works with ipod loader 2 too |
21:45:13 | ForgottenMemory | oo ok be back for more questions later |
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21:48:40 | amiconn | mirak: The compiler never knows whether a (non-static) function is actually unused, so no |
21:49:20 | amiconn | But you can do it at link time - provided the source was compiled with sectioned compilation, i.e. every function and variable is put into their own code/data section |
21:50:02 | amiconn | It's not recommended to do so for general use, but for seeing what's actually unused it's useful (and also for library code) |
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21:51:09 | amiconn | For static functions you get a warning ('blah' defined but not used) |
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21:58:53 | mirak | amiconn: hum, yes that would help, I need to find the top unused function then remove one by one. I think that's an acceptable solution |
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21:59:48 | mirak | I mean I need to find the method affectation inside a conditional block, then remove it. From this point I should be able to remove a lot of things. |
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22:00:09 | mirak | amiconn: shouldn't that work ? |
22:05:47 | * | amiconn doesn't fully understand :/ |
22:06:11 | * | amiconn is still puzzled about his lcd_yuv_blit() :-( |
22:06:16 | mirak | amiconn: lol |
22:06:23 | mirak | amiconn: what's wrong with it ? |
22:06:31 | amiconn | It _should_ be faster by all means, but is slightly slower |
22:06:41 | mirak | amiconn: well sometime gcc said warning unused function. I am not sure when it happens |
22:06:48 | mirak | amiconn: what did you changed ? |
22:06:53 | amiconn | 48.4 instead of 49.2fps (pure lcd_yuv_blit) |
22:07:08 | amiconn | My version uses emac |
22:07:08 | mirak | pure ? you mean no asm ? |
22:07:25 | amiconn | I mean just lcd_yuv_blit() without any mpeg decoding |
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22:07:36 | mirak | ok |
22:07:59 | mirak | amiconn: can you past just a bit in a pastebin ? |
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22:10:22 | * | amiconn suspects a cache aliasing issue |
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22:11:12 | amiconn | hmm, that can't be the problem... |
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22:11:37 | webguest26 | anyone know where to get some roms for rockboy |
22:11:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest26: Google for Homebrew Gameboy games. |
22:12:37 | mirak | amiconn: you use matrix computation ? |
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22:13:05 | rdz | hi all |
22:13:07 | mirak | amiconn: you load the coeffs with mac ? |
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22:15:45 | rdz | how long does the splashscreen appear normally, when booting the first time on an ipod mini 1g? |
22:16:02 | Bagder | splashscreen? |
22:16:25 | rdz | or how is it called? |
22:16:35 | Bagder | I guess you mean the output done in the bootloader |
22:16:43 | rdz | i mean the picture, that shows first when booting into rockbox |
22:16:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | He might mean the Rockbox logo? |
22:16:50 | rdz | yes..the.logo |
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22:17:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | It shouldn't display for very long at al. |
22:17:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | all |
22:17:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | But doesn't the 1G mini have some freezing bugs right now? |
22:17:49 | rdz | Paul_The_Nerd, does that mean i should install an older release? |
22:18:03 | mirak | amiconn: I have troyed with emac, maybe I could help |
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22:18:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | rdz: I think it's more of "we haven't managed to fix a bug that's always been there" rather than something new. |
22:18:54 | rdz | Paul_The_Nerd, :-( |
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22:18:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least if it's the bug I'm thinking of. |
22:19:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it suffers from the same CPU scaling issues as a few other players |
22:19:44 | rdz | that means, there is no chance to make it work until this bug is fixed? |
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22:21:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | rdz: Try this build and see if it works for you: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6742.0 |
22:21:26 | webguest86 | anyone know if i can get roms for rockboy by downloading them from limewire?? |
22:22:05 | rdz | Paul_The_Nerd, thanks for the info... |
22:22:58 | rdz | wouldn't it make sense to mention that bug on the rockbox-page and make clear, that rockbox won't work on an ipod mini 1g? or is that issue only with a few of them? |
22:23:17 | mattzz | Hi, are there still some issues regarding button code changes? E.g. double tapping the off-button does not work any more. |
22:23:28 | mattzz | on the archos |
22:23:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | rdz: Remember that Rockbox has not been officially released for the 1G yet, or any iPod, so anyone using it should consider themselves "testers" not "users" |
22:23:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest86: Please do not ask how to infringe copyrights in here. |
22:23:57 | rdz | Paul_The_Nerd, ah.. ok... sorry, in that case |
22:24:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | mattzz: Please file bug reports in the proper place, or respond on the forum thread, so that there's a record as the person working on it may not be present or see your mention in the log. |
22:25:00 | mattzz | Paul_The_Nerd, I am still trying to figure out if this is a bug or a feature. |
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22:25:25 | webguest86 | my bad |
22:26:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | mattzz: If it's something changed from the way it worked before, then at the moment it's a bug. The button mappings shouldn't be different. |
22:26:45 | hcs | linuxstb: looks like we haven't solved the problem for mikeage |
22:26:53 | mattzz | Paul_The_Nerd, thanks for the information. I will file a few bugs then |
22:27:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | mattzz: It's probably best to respond in the forum thread, in this case. |
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22:27:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | mattzz: Or better yet, both |
22:27:40 | mattzz | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, I saw that one. 10 pages... |
22:28:27 | mattzz | Paul_The_Nerd, first I think I will have to search flyspray :-) |
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22:31:58 | rdz | Paul_The_Nerd, thank you a lot for your help |
22:32:11 | rdz | Paul_The_Nerd, it works.. |
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22:35:20 | dionoea | hello |
22:35:54 | amiconn | hi |
22:37:52 | * | dionoea still needs to update his rockbox to test the new w solitaire |
22:38:36 | webguest86 | okay so i finally got a room so what do i do to make it work in my room |
22:38:47 | webguest86 | *root |
22:39:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | That statement doesn't make sense. |
22:39:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, we have no idea what noun your pronoun "it" refers to. |
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22:42:22 | webguest48 | hey |
22:42:32 | webguest48 | this is the same person |
22:43:20 | webguest48 | so ill ask the question again: anyone know what to do once the rom is in the root of the iPod so that you can play it on rockbox?????????? |
22:45:01 | webguest48 | jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
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22:46:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest48: Try reading the manual, or the PluginRockboy wiki page. |
22:46:35 | linuxstb_ | webguest48: What kind of ROM, and what kind of ipod? |
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22:47:33 | linuxstb_ | webguest56: What kind of ROM, and what kind of ipod? |
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22:50:40 | lowlight | I need ARM asm some help...I'm trying to understand the bootloader disassembly of the Olympus mr-100 |
22:51:10 | linuxstb_ | If it's like the other .mi4 bootloaders, it will mostly be thumb code. |
22:51:53 | mirak | I find ffmpeg design bad on some point ... |
22:52:18 | lowlight | linuxstb_: can you explain this jump table? http://pastebin.ca/190251 |
22:52:37 | lowlight | I want to know which register determines the keypress. |
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22:54:13 | mirak | there is a dsputil.c with a struct that references some functions used by the decoders. The problem is that the functions pointers are affected inside an init functions that is in dsputil.c and not inside each codec C file. Therefore you are forced to build all the codecs object files at least for mpeg family. |
22:54:25 | webguest85 | does the linux version on doom also work on rockbox |
22:55:42 | mirak | but it seems the rest of the codec was added in a better way. it's like ffmpeg have an old architecture that is still here, or something like that, |
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22:58:34 | webguest85 | does the linux version on doom also work on rockbox |
22:59:04 | linuxstb_ | No, the Rockbox version of Doom works in Rockbox. |
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23:00:04 | webguest85 | so where can i get the rockbox version of Doom |
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23:00:50 | Bagder | the rockbox version of doom comes with... (surprise) Rockbox! |
23:00:51 | linuxstb_ | webguest85: It comes already installed with Rockbox. The manual describes how to use it. |
23:01:13 | webguest85 | for some reason mine doesn't work |
23:01:28 | webguest85 | maybe i installed the wrong rockbox? |
23:01:46 | scorche | pebcak! |
23:01:49 | scorche | excuse me... |
23:02:13 | * | scorche gets a tissue |
23:02:49 | * | amiconn thought this would be written pebkac... |
23:03:07 | scorche | amiconn: i like to keep people guessing |
23:03:19 | scorche | change it up a bit |
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23:07:34 | obo | 0p-4=] |
23:07:51 | obo | sorry, cat vs keyboard issue |
23:07:57 | hcs | who won? |
23:08:08 | lowlight | Can you explain this arm asm jump table to me? I want to know what determines the button press. http://pastebin.ca/190251 |
23:08:18 | obo | the cat - now happy sat on my digibox |
23:08:20 | lowlight | s/you/anyone/ |
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23:10:24 | webguest47 | lowlight: R1 |
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23:13:06 | webguest76 | can someone give me a link from where i can download rockboy from |
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23:13:40 | * | amiconn learned something about emac |
23:14:11 | hcs | webguest76: if you downloaded rockbox you should have rockboy |
23:14:32 | webguest76 | now that i take a closer look i found it |
23:14:44 | webguest76 | how do i get roms on it now |
23:15:30 | hcs | I think you just select them from the file browser, but I've never used it |
23:15:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd suggests the manual, yet again. |
23:15:55 | webguest76 | i tried didn't find anything |
23:16:15 | lowlight | webguest47: Thanks. I see where R1 determines if a key is pressed (if not it skips the jumptable). What determines the case for the jumptable? |
23:16:22 | hcs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy |
23:16:35 | hcs | "It works as a viewer so simply click on .gb or .gbc files to launch them." |
23:16:40 | webguest47 | lowlight: R1 ! :-) |
23:17:05 | webguest76 | im asking what to do to roms so they can work on rockbox |
23:17:19 | webguest47 | lowlight: here : LDRB R3, [R3,R1] |
23:17:32 | hcs | webguest76: you shouldn't need to do anything, just put them on your player |
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23:18:10 | webguest76 | so i dont need to put a .gf after the rom name like in linux? |
23:18:39 | hcs | webguest76: no, if it ends in .gb or .gbc it should be fine |
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23:18:54 | lowlight | webguest47: Ok....I have some learning to do :) |
23:19:00 | lowlight | gtg |
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23:19:10 | webguest76 | if it doesn't then should i put the .gb or .gbc |
23:19:11 | webguest76 | ? |
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23:19:43 | webguest34 | I'm having problems with USB handling in iAudio X5 port.. when running rockbox detects usb cable, but the unit does not show up in xp.. i need to turn rockbox off and insert usb, then the OF bootloader usb mode kicks in and it works.. |
23:19:51 | mirak_ | damn I made reiserfs crash |
23:20:10 | linuxstb_ | webguest76: What ipod do you have? |
23:20:11 | mirak_ | apiexemple.c makes reiserfs crash on fast creation of image files |
23:20:14 | hcs | webguest76: yes |
23:20:20 | webguest76 | 5G video |
23:20:59 | linuxstb_ | webguest76: Then just copy the .gb or .gbc files to your ipod and select one in the file browser... |
23:21:22 | webguest76 | select one? |
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23:28:17 | nls | move the selector to it and press "select" |
23:29:30 | webguest76 | select one? |
23:29:45 | hcs | yes |
23:29:52 | O11 | my bench test is still running happily after 13 hours.. and it says it's at 1/2 capacity =D |
23:29:54 | hcs | one gameboy rom |
23:30:10 | nls | scroll the wheel thingy until the bar is on the rom and press the button in the middle |
23:30:29 | * | hcs waits for "select one?" again |
23:30:36 | O11 | select one? |
23:30:59 | * | nls wonders if webguest76 ever played a song in rockbox |
23:31:07 | webguest76 | yes |
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23:31:18 | hcs | maybe his connection to cgiproxy isn't too great and he didn't see the line go through |
23:31:20 | nls | then do the same with the rom |
23:31:33 | webguest76 | oh okay |
23:31:35 | hcs | *cgiirc |
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23:32:49 | O11 | can you play roms on the h300? |
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23:36:41 | Genre9mp3 | I can't get the ZXBox to work on my H340... (build from 2 Oct) |
23:36:44 | webguest76 | i tired to run the pokemon rom and i got an error saying plugin returned error |
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23:37:32 | Genre9mp3 | Whenever I try to load a .tzx file I get some message boxes (one after the other) and then a percentage in the left top corner that stops at 54% |
23:37:41 | Genre9mp3 | It takes some time to do so.. |
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23:38:00 | mirak | mmm, linux ubuntu is crashing ... |
23:38:00 | webguest76 | i tired to run the pokemon rom and i got an error saying plugin returned error |
23:38:05 | Genre9mp3 | On some files I may manage to get the games splash screen, but that's all |
23:38:06 | hcs | Genre9mp3: that percentage is emulation speed, I know this previous discussion |
23:38:07 | webguest76 | anyone know what to do? |
23:38:22 | gursikh | can someone help me (link) to playlist usage intructions for the Nano? (not in the manual) |
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23:38:47 | Genre9mp3 | hcs: So for some reason It can't get realtime? |
23:38:56 | Genre9mp3 | but it doesn't respond... |
23:39:15 | hcs | Genre9mp3: something like that, I don't know too much about it, I just remember that being mentioned and hoped it might help |
23:39:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest76: If the plugin returned an error, then it returned an error. For some reason, it will not work. |
23:39:47 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... this is the first time I actually try to use ZXBox |
23:41:11 | Genre9mp3 | Ok... I selected "Toggle Fast Mode".... the percentage went to 120% but still it doesn't respond |
23:42:02 | hcs | do you have to do something to play the tape? |
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23:42:48 | Genre9mp3 | Just select the file |
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23:44:33 | Genre9mp3 | No....it seems that it doesn't working |
23:44:42 | Genre9mp3 | I tried several files/times |
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23:45:53 | Genre9mp3 | I also tried the Rainbow Islands game (screendumps at the wiki) |
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23:46:59 | hda | pagefault: any spc progress? |
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23:47:24 | pagefault | well sort of, I have a problem right now |
23:47:33 | pagefault | I left my sync cable over at a friend's on the weekend |
23:47:38 | pagefault | so I can't really work on stuff :P |
23:47:44 | hcs | doh |
23:48:00 | hcs | that would be incredibly awesome, I' |
23:48:10 | hcs | *I'm still in the baby-steps of an NSF player |
23:48:11 | pagefault | it's going to barely work on my h10 |
23:48:34 | pagefault | probably if you enable the EQ it will skip |
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23:49:11 | pagefault | I haven't tried compiling with 4.0 though |
23:49:18 | pagefault | so maybe it can do some better optimization |
23:49:31 | amiconn | for coldfire? |
23:49:34 | pagefault | yeah |
23:49:58 | amiconn | According to a couple of tests, gcc 4.0 makes worse code for coldfire than 3.4 |
23:50:04 | pagefault | oh really |
23:50:07 | amiconn | yes |
23:50:13 | pagefault | then maybe I should go over my code again then |
23:50:27 | amiconn | That's the reason why we stick with 3.4. for coldfire, while using 4.0 for other targets |
23:50:36 | pagefault | I can make it work great without any interpolation |
23:50:42 | pagefault | but the SPC's sound like nasty |
23:51:12 | amiconn | But you were talking about h10 - that's arm... |
23:51:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to say that. |
23:51:19 | pagefault | yeah |
23:51:50 | pagefault | only player I have to work with |
23:52:01 | pagefault | I am not sure what exactly what chip it has in it, I just know it's arm based :( |
23:52:16 | pagefault | I don't know much about the hardware |
23:52:22 | hcs | isn't that also a pp5020, like the ipods? |
23:52:35 | pagefault | I was told it's similar to the ipod nano |
23:52:53 | pagefault | yeah with the pp5020 |
23:52:57 | amiconn | Probably PP5021 |
23:53:08 | pagefault | I have taken it apart to look |
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23:53:27 | hcs | I've got the same one in my ipod color |
23:53:58 | pagefault | just trying to contribute the best I can but have to learn how the hw works before I can even start |
23:54:08 | pagefault | I want to get FM support working on it as well |
23:55:02 | hcs | do you have any trouble with instability? |
23:55:06 | pagefault | not at all |
23:55:24 | pagefault | icatcher theme I get no skipping |
23:55:31 | pagefault | it's only the peak limiter that causes problems |
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23:55:41 | hcs | skipping isn't the problem for me, it's random freezing |
23:55:50 | pagefault | I haven't had any freezing |
23:55:57 | pagefault | it's been working beautifully |
23:56:04 | hcs | cool |
23:56:06 | pagefault | and I use it like 8-10 hours a day |
23:56:11 | linuxstb_ | CPU scaling is disabled on the H10 though.. |
23:56:16 | hcs | aaah |
23:56:26 | hcs | wow, and he still gets 8 hours on it? |
23:56:26 | pagefault | yeah I gotta keep it plugged in sometimes :) |
23:56:32 | hcs | oh |
23:56:46 | pagefault | no I plug it in because of the nice new feature of charge over usb while playing |
23:56:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Scaling didn't increase the battery life too terribly much on the iPod Nano at least, when it was enabled |
23:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe 20-25% more. |
23:57:17 | pagefault | I get about 4-5 hours out of it |
23:57:22 | hcs | linuxstb_: have you experienced any crashing since the patch? I haven't, but mikeage reports several |
23:57:26 | pagefault | on a full charge |
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23:57:44 | pagefault | not great but acceptable |
23:57:53 | pagefault | thats with EQ off and volume at medium level |
23:58:13 | linuxstb_ | hcs: No, I haven't tested it apart from the initial 5-hour test. I read mikeage's comments on flyspray though... |
23:58:28 | pagefault | but I am happy with the h10 port so far |
23:58:35 | pagefault | just wish I could be of some help |