| 00:01:32 | pagefault | for what it's worth my H10 is a US reflashed to UMS firmware |
| 00:03:43 | pagefault | 5gb model |
| 00:04:08 | pagefault | I keep forgetting |
| 00:04:10 | pagefault | 5gb model |
| 00:04:13 | pagefault | and 20gb model |
| 00:04:23 | pagefault | they are the same under the same model name |
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| 00:05:10 | Garoth | I forgot some of the files for an install on an iPod Mini and it became stuck at the bootloader. I need to mount in order to put the files in, but I don't know how. Please help. |
| 00:05:51 | Garoth | Anyone here? |
| 00:06:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just reboot it into emergency disk mode. |
| 00:06:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Instructions for that should be in the IpodInstallation wiki page, *maybe* the manual, and on Apple's site even. |
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| 00:06:45 | Garoth | How does one reboot when stuck at bootloader? |
| 00:06:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Menu+Select |
| 00:07:03 | Garoth | THANKS! |
| 00:07:18 | Garoth | Much, much better. Thanks so much |
| 00:10:50 | Garoth | Thanks again, everything works now. |
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| 00:41:18 | barrywardell | linuxstb: do you think it would be ok to commit the ipod target tree patch? |
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| 00:42:22 | barrywardell | I haven't been able to get anyone to test it on a 3g, 4g or mini, but there isn't really any new code so i'd imagine they would work fine |
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| 00:44:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | barrywardell: Do the builds for those compile at least? |
| 00:44:17 | barrywardell | yes |
| 00:44:29 | barrywardell | i've compiled for all ipod targets |
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| 01:09:36 | barrywardell | so nobody against me committing the ipod target tree patch? |
| 01:11:05 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Whats the tracker number? |
| 01:11:19 | barrywardell | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 |
| 01:11:44 | barrywardell | no new code, just moving stuff around |
| 01:13:33 | linuxstb_ | The ipods are a hard fit for target tree - almost all the code is used by multiple ipods... |
| 01:15:16 | barrywardell | yeah |
| 01:15:31 | barrywardell | that's why i put the common code in the apple folder |
| 01:15:45 | barrywardell | rather than in the model specific subdir |
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| 01:16:05 | linuxstb_ | But you also seem to have copied things like the backlight code into multiple subdirs. |
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| 01:16:35 | barrywardell | the backlight code is different for different models though |
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| 01:18:19 | linuxstb_ | The Nano and 5g is the same, as is the 4g and Color/Photo. |
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| 01:19:17 | linuxstb_ | And the two mini generations are the same... |
| 01:19:34 | barrywardell | true, but i don't see a nice way to fit them into the target tree |
| 01:19:47 | barrywardell | it's only a small amount of code duplication anyway |
| 01:20:41 | linuxstb_ | Can't you just have backlight-mini.c, backlight-nano_5g.c and backlight-4g.c in the apple/ directory? |
| 01:21:34 | barrywardell | yes, i could do that |
| 01:22:13 | barrywardell | seems like a reasonable solution |
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| 01:24:32 | linuxstb_ | I would have also called the files/directories ipod instead of apple, but I guess it's too late for that (at least for the directory). |
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| 01:26:16 | barrywardell | it can always still be changed |
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| 01:27:17 | barrywardell | but configure calls it t_manufacturer |
| 01:27:26 | barrywardell | so maybe apple makes more sense? |
| 01:27:41 | linuxstb_ | It's harder now that you've created the directories in CVS. But I don't feel that strongly about it - Apple are unlikely to ever call their players anything else. |
| 01:28:30 | linuxstb_ | I think manufacturer was the original idea, but I think it changed to "series of players" with the iaudio directories (manufactured by Cowon) |
| 01:28:47 | barrywardell | creating the apple directory was an accident. I never knew cvs add added a directory without having to commit |
| 01:29:13 | linuxstb_ | Yes, cvs is nasty like that. |
| 01:30:06 | barrywardell | thinking about it, calling the dir ipod instead of apple is a good idea |
| 01:30:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd agrees |
| 01:30:22 | barrywardell | a little extra work, but probably worth it |
| 01:30:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not that apple's likely to make non-iPod players. But still. |
| 01:30:52 | linuxstb_ | Well, they've done that with the new Nano, but they still call them ipods... |
| 01:30:54 | hcs | Dunno, Nintendo stopped calling their handhelds Game Boy |
| 01:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | hcs: The DS is officially not a part of the Gameboy line. |
| 01:31:20 | hcs | Paul_The_Nerd: my point |
| 01:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the DS is also not targeted as the same sort of game system. It's supposed to get calender software, a web browser, etc. |
| 01:32:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's like the Newton, were it to resurrect. I'm certain it could play MP3s, but it clearly wouldn't be a DAP. |
| 01:32:48 | hcs | meh, just being contentious, unsuccessfully |
| 01:33:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do we have Manufacturer/Model folders? |
| 01:33:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why don't we start with CPU type? |
| 01:33:30 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: I also think the power-apple.c and power-ipodvideo.c files could be merged. I would expect the video code to work on other ipods - but IIRC, it was never tested. |
| 01:33:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, the H10 fits much better among the Apples than the rest of the iRivers. |
| 01:34:08 | * | barrywardell agrees with Paul_The_Nerd |
| 01:34:15 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: I agree. Maybe when SVN comes, we can rearrange it. It's easier to do now that we have lots more targets. |
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| 01:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially with the whole pile of MI4-firmware'd players |
| 01:35:18 | barrywardell | linuxstb: so move power-ipodvideo.c into power-apple.c and leave an ifdef in there? |
| 01:35:30 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I think so. |
| 01:35:51 | linuxstb_ | If we end up with too many #ifdefs in power-apple.c then we could split. But I don't think that's the case now. |
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| 01:36:44 | barrywardell | ok |
| 01:40:49 | barrywardell | so name the dirs ipod/3g, etc? |
| 01:41:29 | barrywardell | and the files button-3g.c, etc? |
| 01:41:57 | linuxstb_ | Is there anything left in the directories? |
| 01:42:20 | barrywardell | not much, button in 3g and mini1g |
| 01:43:30 | barrywardell | would it be nice to have the directory structure there for future use? or add it as needed? |
| 01:44:20 | linuxstb_ | I don't think it they will be needed - almost no code is unique to a single ipod. |
| 01:44:40 | barrywardell | ok. i won't add them then |
| 01:45:15 | barrywardell | there's just lcd-video.c |
| 01:45:21 | barrywardell | and the 3g stuff |
| 01:45:40 | barrywardell | and mini buttons |
| 01:45:50 | barrywardell | they can all have their own dir? |
| 01:48:11 | linuxstb_ | Could the lcd-ipodvideo.c file stay where it is? That's gone through a lot of changes, so it would be nice to keep the CVS history. We could move it when SVN happens. |
| 01:48:35 | barrywardell | yes, ok |
| 01:50:21 | linuxstb_ | One option would just to have no subdirectories under arm/ipod/ and have button-3g.c, button-mini.c and button-????.c (not sure about the last name). |
| 01:50:21 | Rob2222 | Does anybody know, why I always have to restart my H380 after connecting it to the Cradle (usb+power)? If I not restart it, it doesnt play MP3s. And if I connect it again withour restarting, it shows USB-Connected but doesnt get recognized by the PC. |
| 01:50:48 | linuxstb_ | But I expect there will be more 3g-specific code in the future - there's a lot of hardware unique to that ipod. |
| 01:51:32 | barrywardell | yes, 3g should probably have its own dir |
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| 01:53:04 | Rob2222 | I just recognize that it doesnt happen with default settings. hmm |
| 01:53:11 | barrywardell | how about button-ipod.c? |
| 01:53:21 | linuxstb | It's as good a name as any. |
| 01:53:51 | linuxstb | I was also thinking button-clickwheel.c - that's what Apple call the wheel on those ipods. |
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| 01:54:16 | barrywardell | clickwheel sounds good |
| 01:55:32 | pixelma | isn't clickwheel the one on the newer ones and touchwheel the 3G one? |
| 01:55:33 | linuxstb | Rob2222: I think there have been some bug reports about that in the past, but I don't think anyone could recreate it. If you can find a way to reliably trigger that behaviour, file a bug report. |
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| 01:59:51 | Rob2222 | linuxstb: I just have to load my settings .cfg file to recreate the bug |
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| 02:00:39 | Genre9mp3 | Rob2222: How old is the build you are using? |
| 02:01:09 | Rob2222 | 060913 |
| 02:01:33 | Rob2222 | just installed latest cvs. *test* |
| 02:01:38 | Genre9mp3 | Well...can you try with a newest build? |
| 02:01:43 | Genre9mp3 | Ah... |
| 02:02:01 | Genre9mp3 | I had that problem, too with my H340 but not anymore... |
| 02:02:10 | Genre9mp3 | (with latest cvs build) |
| 02:03:34 | Rob2222 | huh. lol. its really solved. 2 month or so im anger about the problem, now i ask and start to analyze the bug with different cfg files and its solved. |
| 02:03:42 | Rob2222 | well. ok :) *happy* |
| 02:04:38 | Rob2222 | ok, then i can go to bed. |
| 02:04:42 | Rob2222 | good night :) |
| 02:04:44 | Genre9mp3 | You should thank pondlife |
| 02:04:52 | Genre9mp3 | he was the one who fixed it |
| 02:04:59 | Genre9mp3 | good night! |
| 02:05:18 | Rob2222 | you know what it was? |
| 02:06:43 | Genre9mp3 | Not exactly...but pondlife did a mod as part of his voice work that fixed it |
| 02:06:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: What does "Error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect." mean in the context of iPodPatcher, if they just type "ipodpatcher 1"? |
| 02:07:05 | Genre9mp3 | I could reproduce for quite some time now... |
| 02:07:52 | Genre9mp3 | But it's being fixed since 26 or 28 Sep |
| 02:07:59 | Rob2222 | ok |
| 02:08:11 | Rob2222 | you could reproduce it? or couldnt? |
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| 02:08:21 | Genre9mp3 | I now cannot |
| 02:08:28 | Rob2222 | ok :) |
| 02:09:02 | Garoth | Sorry to be a bother... |
| 02:09:18 | Garoth | I'm trying to run rockbox on a 1st gen iPod mini. |
| 02:09:20 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know - the error message being displayed is just the error that the Windows read() function gives... |
| 02:09:54 | Garoth | It hardly gets past the bootloader, sometimes to the rockbox loading screen, and occasionally to the actual core... any suggestions? |
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| 02:10:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Gotcha. |
| 02:11:13 | Garoth | No one? |
| 02:11:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Garoth: You haven't actually asked a question yet |
| 02:12:01 | Garoth | Well... it doesn't get past the loading screen very often. |
| 02:12:23 | Garoth | So... what do I do? |
| 02:12:31 | Garoth | Thanks for your attention though. |
| 02:13:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Garoth: Try a build from here, for the time being, until the frequency scaling bug is fixed: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 |
| 02:13:18 | Garoth | So, this is due to the bug? |
| 02:13:27 | Garoth | That it sometimes loads and sometimes not? |
| 02:13:43 | Garoth | BTW, I'm using the mini g1 daily build. |
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| 02:16:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most likely |
| 02:16:43 | Garoth | This build requires one to recreate the bootloader and the .ipod files? |
| 02:18:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't need to reinstall the bootloader. |
| 02:18:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | You just install it as if you were updating your build to a newer one |
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| 02:18:52 | Garoth | Thanks! |
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| 02:48:05 | H10_UMS_5gb | hi. i just installed rockbox on my player and whatever i play mp3 file (any) it freezes and resumes.. so basically its goes and stops plays and stops |
| 02:48:30 | H10_UMS_5gb | any idea whats the problem? |
| 02:48:38 | newbyx86 | Change the skin. |
| 02:48:39 | newbyx86 | See if that works. |
| 02:48:46 | newbyx86 | I have a similar problem, and it's the peaks. |
| 02:48:54 | H10_UMS_5gb | i have default |
| 02:48:57 | newbyx86 | Yeah. Change it. |
| 02:49:04 | newbyx86 | The default has a peak thingie, and it makes my tracks skip. |
| 02:49:06 | H10_UMS_5gb | ok |
| 02:50:31 | JdGordon | - long pressing play to get into playlist mode pauses playback <- this sounds like from the file browser yeah? |
| 02:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I didn't think long-press play did anything. Ever. |
| 02:51:18 | JdGordon | on the recorder |
| 02:51:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought play only had a short-press function |
| 02:51:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 02:51:42 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg53005#msg53005 he wasnt very specific |
| 02:52:46 | newbyx86 | If you hold down play on the iPod, it stops the song. :| |
| 02:53:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's supposed to, because the iPod has no stop button |
| 02:53:05 | JdGordon | its supposed to there... ipod doesnt have stop, the recorder does |
| 02:53:10 | newbyx86 | hehe. :P |
| 02:53:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't know that any player had a shortcut to playlist view. |
| 02:53:28 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why long-Play doesn't do that on H1x0 |
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| 02:53:52 | JdGordon | coz h1x0 has a-b and navi buttons |
| 02:54:25 | JdGordon | Archos Jukebox Recorder 20 <- which target is this? REcorder, FM Recorder? Recorder v2? |
| 02:54:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could be Recorder or Recorder V2 |
| 02:55:10 | JdGordon | hmm.. thats what i was afraid of |
| 02:55:19 | JdGordon | i guess ill post a patch instead of the bin |
| 02:55:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there's not a shortcut to Playlist on the H100 series at all is there? |
| 02:55:40 | JdGordon | i tihnk he means the insert options |
| 02:56:25 | pixelma | should be the "simple" Recorder http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-recorder/rockbox-buildch3.html |
| 02:56:42 | JdGordon | ah ok, thanks |
| 02:57:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe you should get a clarification on the Play/Pause button thing before changing anything |
| 02:57:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Find out exactly what he's referring to not working |
| 02:57:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes he could find the USB cable for his Recorder. |
| 02:59:57 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Why? Is it proprietary? |
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| 03:00:25 | scorche | Genre9mp3: no...usb A to A...both male |
| 03:00:37 | Genre9mp3 | Oh |
| 03:00:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just not a common cable |
| 03:01:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I could go to Fry's and get one, but last time I was there they were out. |
| 03:03:34 | JdGordon | rockbox.ucl is the recorder equiv of rockbox.iriver yeah? |
| 03:03:53 | scorche | JdGordon: .ucl is for flashing |
| 03:04:13 | JdGordon | grr... ajbrec.ajz is the one they want ? |
| 03:04:17 | scorche | yup |
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| 03:15:39 | H10_UMS_5gb | one more Q. how do you change theme? |
| 03:16:35 | hcs | Select Browse Themes in the main menu, choose one. |
| 03:19:39 | Genre9mp3 | H10_UMS_5gb: Don't forget to install the fonts pack as well if you haven't done this already |
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| 03:20:49 | H10_UMS_5gb | ya i did it, thnx. i have x5 running rockbox |
| 03:21:13 | H10_UMS_5gb | but h10 so lame.. |
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| 03:23:02 | H10_UMS_5gb | i guess i have some kinda screen driver problems, because sometimes my screen turns pure white, whatever i turn it on |
| 03:23:30 | H10_UMS_5gb | and it happens with bth, original and rockbox |
| 03:23:38 | H10_UMS_5gb | *both |
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| 03:40:48 | pagefault | oh |
| 03:40:49 | pagefault | he left |
| 03:40:52 | pagefault | I could have helped him |
| 03:40:54 | pagefault | I had the same player |
| 03:40:56 | pagefault | doh |
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| 04:03:52 | `burns | hello all |
| 04:04:14 | `burns | I've been having a small problem with rockbox lately |
| 04:05:52 | `burns | First I should say that I got an iRiver h320 a few weeks ago |
| 04:06:12 | `burns | and I've been astonished at what you guys have been able to accomplish. |
| 04:06:41 | pagefault | yes |
| 04:06:46 | pagefault | it is amazing |
| 04:06:49 | `burns | what with rockboy and the other plugins as well as the range of music formats Rockbox supports. |
| 04:07:11 | `burns | well, as I said, I've been having two problems. |
| 04:07:18 | pagefault | I have the lowly h10 |
| 04:07:25 | `burns | wait, are you pagefault from ZSNES? |
| 04:07:26 | pagefault | so it is huge for me |
| 04:07:31 | pagefault | I get vorbis finally |
| 04:07:59 | pagefault | yes I am |
| 04:08:26 | `burns | that's amazing! great program, best emulator ever. |
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| 04:09:10 | pagefault | well I don't know about best |
| 04:09:13 | pagefault | we try |
| 04:09:47 | scorche | JdGordon: oh...you were testing that problem?...if you want, i can test as well...i noticed that off-off didnt shutdown also |
| 04:10:06 | `burns | only I can't get it to compile on 64-bit Ubuntu...oh well. |
| 04:10:46 | `burns | Anyway, my first problem is that I get this error: |
| 04:10:58 | pagefault | whole reason I am in here is so I can get a SPC codec working |
| 04:11:04 | pagefault | and to just idle |
| 04:11:04 | `burns | cool |
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| 04:11:30 | * | scorche gazes longingly at pagefault |
| 04:11:37 | `burns | I40:PDIR1FULL |
| 04:11:41 | `burns | at 000000001 |
| 04:11:49 | pagefault | it takes time |
| 04:12:02 | pagefault | it needs to be fast enough to actually run |
| 04:12:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: How old/new is your build? |
| 04:12:17 | `burns | about 10 days |
| 04:12:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try a newer one |
| 04:12:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | There was a bug relating to that recently, and I think it was fixed. |
| 04:12:56 | pagefault | plus know nothing about how rockbox works or the h10 or arm is fun too |
| 04:12:57 | `burns | ok, I will as soon as I can start the vmware image, it takes ages to boot. |
| 04:12:59 | pagefault | but learning is always good |
| 04:13:02 | `burns | yes |
| 04:13:10 | `burns | spc will be great |
| 04:13:15 | hcs | amen |
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| 04:13:34 | pagefault | i'm still trying to pull it off at realtime speed |
| 04:13:39 | pagefault | it's not going so well |
| 04:13:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even if you don't get it running at full speed, once you've got it running to the point where it decodes accurately, it's always nice to post a patch so that others interested can poke at it too. |
| 04:14:01 | XavierGr | Someone said ZSNES? |
| 04:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a history of drive-by optimizations. |
| 04:14:19 | pagefault | I might try another SPC emulator that is less accurate but faster |
| 04:14:20 | * | XavierGr humbly bows at pagefault!!! |
| 04:14:45 | pagefault | I only have a h10 to work with |
| 04:15:07 | `burns | I'd be happy to test on my h320... |
| 04:15:24 | pagefault | I am not familiar with the specs in that |
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| 04:15:28 | `burns | it uses the "coldfire" processor, I think... |
| 04:15:31 | XavierGr | have you done a patch yet? |
| 04:15:31 | pagefault | what kind of processor/speed is it |
| 04:15:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Don't worry if you can't optimize it for hardware other than what you've got. Working C code is the most important thing, and then others can tweak if for hardware they have. :) |
| 04:15:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: 120mhz M68K processor |
| 04:15:53 | `burns | pagefault: IIRC it's 124 MHz |
| 04:15:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 124 |
| 04:16:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Technically it's 140 but we don't clock it that high |
| 04:16:21 | pagefault | ah well thats certainly better than my 70mhz ARM |
| 04:16:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, technically you have two 70mhz ARMs. ;) |
| 04:16:58 | pagefault | I was under the impression the other core was not active yet |
| 04:17:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not. But you still have it. |
| 04:17:18 | pagefault | can I make use of it |
| 04:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the plan is still to have audio decoded on one core, and everything else handled by the other. |
| 04:17:24 | pagefault | or is it like something that needs major work |
| 04:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's some work in progress. |
| 04:17:46 | pagefault | I can do SPC and DSP on each CPU |
| 04:17:48 | pagefault | that would work nicely |
| 04:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ideally you should just design the codec like normal, and once the architecture's in place the audio thread will handle using it. |
| 04:18:15 | pagefault | since it is a two piece system |
| 04:18:19 | pagefault | technically |
| 04:18:48 | pagefault | I see |
| 04:19:06 | pagefault | any word on when that dumb library will be implemented |
| 04:19:09 | XavierGr | wow spc on rockbox! |
| 04:19:12 | pagefault | i'm itching to try some mods and s3m's |
| 04:19:15 | * | XavierGr dreams |
| 04:19:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: I think there's a patch with working playback in the tracker, actually |
| 04:19:28 | * | XavierGr and apologizes if he is annoying |
| 04:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure if it's fullspeed though |
| 04:19:38 | pagefault | I got the patch that plays mod |
| 04:19:44 | pagefault | that works nicely |
| 04:19:48 | pagefault | but other formats would be nice |
| 04:19:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 04:20:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I don't know if it's being worked on at the moment |
| 04:20:06 | scorche | JdGordon: there? |
| 04:20:16 | pagefault | yeah not sure either |
| 04:20:21 | pagefault | it certainly compiles anyway |
| 04:20:26 | pagefault | it looks like it just needs a codec interface |
| 04:20:35 | scorche | JdGordon: well, your posted version doesnt solve the problem |
| 04:20:47 | `burns | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm currently having a problem with both .mod and .sid playback |
| 04:21:02 | pagefault | anyway SPC might be a few weeks |
| 04:21:10 | pagefault | I think I have to rewrite some stuff in ARM assembly |
| 04:21:15 | pagefault | no offense to the SH guys |
| 04:21:19 | pagefault | I will get around to you :) |
| 04:21:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: What problem do you have? |
| 04:21:42 | pagefault | I am not satisfied with what gcc produces |
| 04:21:54 | `burns | Paul_The_Nerd: they play fine, they just keep looping the same song... |
| 04:22:01 | XavierGr | pagefault: so do you have a working base codec (even if not realtime)? |
| 04:22:18 | `burns | It only occurs with mod and sid, not mp3, wav or ogg |
| 04:22:23 | pagefault | XavierGr, sort of, it's really hacked in there right now, I hijacked the sid codec to play spc |
| 04:22:29 | pagefault | it's not pretty |
| 04:22:39 | pagefault | I just wanted to get it working first then do it properly |
| 04:22:40 | XavierGr | pagefualt: or you could write a spc2wav test plugin to see its speed first |
| 04:22:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: With SID that's expected, I believe, because there's no way to tell when they're supposed to end. |
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| 04:23:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: I'm not sure but that may also be the case with MOD, I'm not familiar with it at all |
| 04:23:35 | `burns | not for MOD, at least not entirely. |
| 04:23:40 | pagefault | XavierGr, thats true, libopenspc which I am using comes with a basic spc player that dumps pcm |
| 04:23:50 | pagefault | I guess I could have the player run that and dump to a file |
| 04:23:53 | pagefault | and time it |
| 04:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: What do you mean by "not entirely"? |
| 04:24:17 | `burns | some songs I believe have a loop-point, but some don't. |
| 04:24:35 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 04:24:39 | pagefault | the SPC is fine without interpolation |
| 04:24:43 | pagefault | it's just when you turn that on |
| 04:24:47 | pagefault | the player struggles |
| 04:24:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: Either way, it's probably just something about the codec. |
| 04:24:55 | pagefault | and it's really required for proper playback |
| 04:24:59 | `burns | I guess the mod player is still a work in progress |
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| 04:25:50 | pagefault | well I am without usb cable for now |
| 04:25:56 | pagefault | so no development for now |
| 04:25:59 | XavierGr | pagefualt there once was a xx2wav plugin |
| 04:26:02 | pagefault | I forgot it at a friend's place |
| 04:26:04 | pagefault | stupid me |
| 04:26:04 | XavierGr | maybe you could check it |
| 04:26:44 | `burns | pagefault: is it some kind of proprietary connector? |
| 04:26:51 | pagefault | `burns, yeah |
| 04:27:00 | pagefault | it's not like some standard dc plug |
| 04:27:29 | pagefault | it does recharging and sync through the same cable |
| 04:27:31 | pagefault | is what I mean |
| 04:27:51 | `burns | So does mine, but it's optional. |
| 04:28:02 | pagefault | ah well you are lucky |
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| 04:28:15 | pagefault | I could probably try to make something |
| 04:28:23 | pagefault | but I am picking it up soon |
| 04:28:27 | pagefault | so I will be back in business |
| 04:28:48 | `burns | What I mean is that you can charge through usb or a regular dc cable. |
| 04:28:57 | pagefault | either |
| 04:29:01 | pagefault | but it has to be through this cable |
| 04:29:09 | pagefault | it has a dongle on the side for DC input |
| 04:29:40 | pagefault | looks a lot like a cell phone connection |
| 04:29:53 | `burns | hmm...that's weird. Is that common for portable devices? I've never encountered anything like it. |
| 04:30:00 | pagefault | dunno |
| 04:30:18 | pagefault | obviously iriver had some other ideas with this series |
| 04:30:25 | pagefault | I wanted a h320 originally |
| 04:30:29 | pagefault | but they stopped making them |
| 04:30:46 | XavierGr | pagefault: indeed, you missed all the fun |
| 04:30:49 | XavierGr | H100 rocks too |
| 04:31:00 | XavierGr | stupid iriver |
| 04:31:00 | `burns | yeah, I got my h320 from amazon brand new |
| 04:31:08 | pagefault | oh well |
| 04:31:17 | pagefault | I am happy with this little player now that I have rockbox |
| 04:31:23 | pagefault | all that is missing is radio |
| 04:31:31 | XavierGr | yeah Rockbox can transform even the worst mp3 players |
| 04:31:34 | XavierGr | :) |
| 04:31:41 | `burns | can't you still get h100's from misticaudio? |
| 04:31:45 | XavierGr | I think yes |
| 04:31:47 | XavierGr | there is one there |
| 04:31:53 | pagefault | stupid iriver never supported audible either |
| 04:31:53 | XavierGr | but a little overpriceds |
| 04:31:55 | `burns | they cost an arm and a leg though I think |
| 04:31:58 | pagefault | they said they would |
| 04:31:59 | pagefault | never did |
| 04:32:16 | XavierGr | iriver is all talks and no work |
| 04:32:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that was irritating |
| 04:32:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | They claimed they would support Audible on the iFP-700 series. |
| 04:32:34 | pagefault | however their hardware is top notch |
| 04:32:36 | XavierGr | firmware upgrades were humiliating |
| 04:32:38 | pagefault | thats why I buy it |
| 04:33:17 | pagefault | just getting rid of the MTP firmware made it so much better |
| 04:33:19 | pagefault | now it's a UMS |
| 04:33:20 | pagefault | ehe |
| 04:33:21 | pagefault | hehe |
| 04:33:24 | pagefault | so much better |
| 04:33:36 | XavierGr | pagefualt: iriver put its gravestone with this new strategy they have |
| 04:33:45 | pagefault | well |
| 04:33:47 | pagefault | so much better |
| 04:33:49 | pagefault | MTP sucks ass |
| 04:33:54 | XavierGr | they only release small capacity players |
| 04:33:56 | pagefault | I can't believe the 20gb has to use it |
| 04:34:31 | XavierGr | instead of releasing an H500 or something they continue to produce mediocre small capacity players |
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| 04:34:56 | pagefault | they are more interested in video stuff now |
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| 04:35:22 | pagefault | I really have no desire to watch portable video |
| 04:35:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I couldn't watch portable video on anything smaller than say, a PSP screen, I think |
| 04:35:53 | `burns | wait, what's MTP? region-locked? |
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| 04:36:12 | midkay | i think they deserve a little more credit, they were one of the first to put ogg on a player and they've always had nice designs and feature sets and stuff IMO. |
| 04:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: Media Transfer Protocol. |
| 04:36:28 | pagefault | barry wardall is my hero |
| 04:36:34 | pagefault | Enable ATA poweroff option on H10 for a nice increase in battery life. |
| 04:36:51 | `burns | Paul_The_Nerd: what's that? |
| 04:36:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: If you compare the H120 to the H10 20gb though, there's a significant decrease in anything good. |
| 04:37:00 | midkay | i didn't mean at whatever you were saying about "video stuff" but the slightly earlier discussion about how their firmware updates suck and they |
| 04:37:04 | midkay | 're all talk and stuff. |
| 04:37:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: It requires special drivers (or windows media player) to transfer files to the device, and often requires a database to be constructed on the device to even be able to play music |
| 04:37:33 | `burns | I see... |
| 04:37:44 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: well, it's a flash player.. not a big harddrive one.. what 'good' is there missing from it? |
| 04:37:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The H10 20gb is an HD player. All the H10s are |
| 04:38:11 | midkay | maybe i'm confused.. |
| 04:38:29 | midkay | gn. |
| 04:38:30 | midkay | hm* |
| 04:38:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The H10jr is the only one in the H10 line that's flash-based |
| 04:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | `burns: It's often contrasted to MSC/UMS, which is just a mass storage device. Your player works entirely like an external HD and requires no drivers on any system that supports them. |
| 04:39:09 | pagefault | what would you rather have if you had a choice a ipod nano or a h10 |
| 04:39:13 | midkay | i see.. they don't seem like majorly music players to me. hm. |
| 04:39:18 | pagefault | since they are almost the same hardware wise |
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| 04:39:25 | midkay | me? i'd say nano.. |
| 04:39:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano, simply because it's flash based. |
| 04:39:35 | pagefault | oh really |
| 04:39:38 | pagefault | I thought it had a hd |
| 04:39:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 04:39:44 | `burns | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I noticed that. pretty handy feature. |
| 04:39:55 | pagefault | hrmrmrmrgmrmgmrm |
| 04:40:06 | pagefault | I have extended warranty on my h10 |
| 04:40:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dircache should be removed from Nano builds. |
| 04:40:10 | pagefault | and if it "breaks" |
| 04:40:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if that will ever happen. |
| 04:40:16 | pagefault | I get another |
| 04:40:20 | pagefault | but they don't sell it anymore |
| 04:40:22 | pagefault | so... |
| 04:40:43 | pagefault | I wonder |
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| 04:41:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | They'll probably offer you store credit for the last retail price of the H10 |
| 04:41:32 | pagefault | or give me a nano |
| 04:41:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're really lucky |
| 04:41:41 | pagefault | nah |
| 04:41:41 | pagefault | they will |
| 04:41:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, now it's the Nano G2 |
| 04:41:46 | pagefault | I am good at this stuff :) |
| 04:41:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which isn't Rockbox supported at all |
| 04:41:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | And likely won't be for quite a while |
| 04:41:54 | pagefault | i'd get an old nano |
| 04:42:08 | XavierGr | midkay: of course iriver is to be credited for players like H100/H300, but after that.... |
| 04:42:21 | midkay | XavierGr: i haven't followed them past those... |
| 04:42:43 | XavierGr | midkay: well then yes, iriver was the best DAP company those days |
| 04:42:44 | pagefault | or ipod mini |
| 04:42:47 | pagefault | they would probably give me |
| 04:42:49 | pagefault | maybe |
| 04:42:53 | midnight1 | is crossfade available for the ipod video |
| 04:43:01 | pagefault | I would demand something that supports the same formats |
| 04:43:15 | XavierGr | Rockbox: Unite the DAPS! :D |
| 04:43:20 | midkay | midnight1: yes, it is. |
| 04:44:00 | pagefault | anyway I like my player |
| 04:44:09 | pagefault | but I mean if I can get a free upgrade |
| 04:44:14 | pagefault | depends what it will be |
| 04:44:14 | midnight1 | how does it work |
| 04:45:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | midnight1: Um... it's crossfade. Do you want a technical description, or are you not familiar with the term, or what exactly are you asking? |
| 04:45:13 | pagefault | oh they have the archos |
| 04:45:17 | pagefault | are those things any good |
| 04:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a lot of Archos players |
| 04:45:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | None of the currently manufactured ones run Rockbox, at all. |
| 04:45:45 | pagefault | oh |
| 04:45:58 | midnight1 | how do u put rockbox on your ipod and can display album art |
| 04:46:22 | pagefault | I guess I better hold onto this thing then |
| 04:46:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | midnight1: Follow the installation instructions, but Album Art isn't a feature of the official rockbox build |
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| 04:47:21 | midnight1 | will it be avaible eventually? |
| 04:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably |
| 04:48:02 | pagefault | and I assume the zen's are hopeless to ever support rockbox |
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| 04:48:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you assume that? |
| 04:48:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | If a player is firmware updgradeable, it's not hopeless. |
| 04:48:39 | pagefault | I was under the impression they couldn't be upgraded at all |
| 04:48:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | There aren't official firmware updates? |
| 04:48:59 | pagefault | well I don't know for sure |
| 04:49:11 | pagefault | but I know when I was shopping around a year ago it wasn't the case |
| 04:49:13 | pagefault | no idea about now |
| 04:49:56 | pagefault | let me go find out |
| 04:49:58 | hcs | I used to have a zen, I'm fairly sure there were updates available |
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| 04:50:25 | pagefault | I was always mad at players that didn't let me remove the battery |
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| 04:51:27 | pagefault | if it needs another battery it's an easy thing to swap |
| 04:51:34 | pagefault | if it's hardwired into it it's not so easy |
| 04:51:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like the iPods with the batteries soldered to the board? |
| 04:51:52 | pagefault | yeah |
| 04:51:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I've only heard that about the Nano |
| 04:52:05 | pagefault | thats pretty much sold me on the h10 |
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| 04:52:11 | pagefault | I could remove the battery |
| 04:52:14 | pagefault | and it was iriver |
| 04:52:51 | pagefault | man, I have no idea how I would even reboot this thing if I couldn't take out the battery |
| 04:52:57 | pagefault | I do it like 50 times a day I think |
| 04:54:11 | `burns | crap |
| 04:54:26 | `burns | ubuntu upgraded my kernel, and now vmware doesn't work |
| 04:54:28 | pagefault | (I don't write very nice code for rockbox obviously) |
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| 06:06:16 | scorche | JdGordon: am now |
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| 06:45:36 | JdGordon | scorche: im back |
| 06:45:50 | scorche | as am i |
| 06:46:06 | JdGordon | yay |
| 06:46:12 | JdGordon | the shutdown fix doesnt work? |
| 06:46:18 | scorche | correct |
| 06:46:33 | JdGordon | whats the problem? |
| 06:47:41 | scorche | well, intended behavior is to press off twice from the browser when music isnt playing to turn off the device safely |
| 06:48:28 | scorche | first press puts a dialog box up that says "Press OFF to shut dowm" |
| 06:48:40 | scorche | then once more while that box is up will shut down the device |
| 06:48:48 | scorche | instead, it just clears the box |
| 06:49:59 | scorche | i would have reported it sooner, but i have been busy testing stuff on my new nano and havent bothered to play with my archos recently |
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| 06:55:17 | JdGordon | scorche: ok, ill try and get that fixed now |
| 06:55:30 | scorche | alright...let me know when i can test |
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| 06:55:32 | * | JdGordon is having fun modding a old latop into a digital photo frame :D |
| 06:55:39 | scorche | fun! |
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| 06:56:03 | scorche | i suggest putting a wifi card in it ;) |
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| 06:56:11 | JdGordon | yup, gonna get one |
| 06:56:19 | JdGordon | all the fotos are going to come off my server |
| 06:56:38 | JdGordon | lappy has no usb ports, so no fun stuff like copying fotos off mem cards automatically |
| 06:57:01 | scorche | can have it update automatically from the wireless connection though |
| 06:57:19 | JdGordon | ye |
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| 06:57:37 | scorche | same thing, except you get to sit down at your desk and do it |
| 06:58:07 | RockNewb | hey does anyone know how i can watch movies in rockbox? |
| 06:58:46 | scorche | RockNewb: go to the wiki page "PluginMpegplayer" |
| 06:59:10 | RockNewb | thank you |
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| 07:01:55 | RockNewb | ok can someone tell me, is MPEG MPEG-1? |
| 07:02:08 | scorche | read the page... |
| 07:02:19 | RockNewb | i did |
| 07:03:05 | RockNewb | ok so i still have to convert movies to be able to watch it in rockbox yea? |
| 07:03:45 | scorche | "It is currently capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams." Second line |
| 07:03:58 | scorche | and yes you do |
| 07:04:28 | scorche | "MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video is encoded using blocks of 16x16 pixels so you should encode your files to a multiple of 16x16. " a bit further down... |
| 07:05:21 | RockNewb | ok well i have a video called MPEG video, does that mean its MPEG-1? |
| 07:05:44 | scorche | check its properties... |
| 07:06:21 | RockNewb | Type of File: MPEG video |
| 07:07:26 | RockNewb | so will rockbox be able to play it? |
| 07:08:01 | scorche | you are still going to have to convert it |
| 07:08:11 | scorche | to extract the video and resize it |
| 07:08:39 | RockNewb | oh ok thanks |
| 07:08:59 | RockNewb | one more question : where do i find my music and play it? |
| 07:09:16 | scorche | where did you load your music? |
| 07:10:09 | RockNewb | on itunes |
| 07:10:22 | scorche | then see the wiki page on tagcache |
| 07:10:38 | RockNewb | ok |
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| 08:20:52 | aliask | JdGordon: Just checking out the menu patch today, I think it has some kind of threading issue. CPU was constantly boosted, and the codec thread was being starved. |
| 08:21:25 | JdGordon | hmm.... oddd... that sux tho |
| 08:22:11 | aliask | I'll try to confirm it by running CVS and see what happens. |
| 08:22:25 | JdGordon | ta |
| 08:23:16 | aliask | By the way, in the cpu frequency part of the debug menu, is it normal to ever have boost count above 1? |
| 08:23:37 | JdGordon | i dont know about normal... but it is possible... |
| 08:28:04 | LinusN | it's normal |
| 08:28:18 | LinusN | that's why it is a count and not a flag |
| 08:29:07 | aliask | Ok, and the irivers shouldn't be boosting constantly on 192kbps VBR mp3 should they? |
| 08:29:17 | LinusN | no |
| 08:29:20 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DynamicCPUFrequency |
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| 08:31:56 | aliask | Ok, sorry to say, but it's definitely the patch Jd. |
| 08:33:05 | JdGordon | ok |
| 08:33:26 | JdGordon | is it accessing the disc while its boosted? |
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| 08:34:22 | aliask | I didn't notice the disk activity, I'll reload the patched FW and check |
| 08:38:50 | aliask | JdGordon: Disk access isn't constant. |
| 08:39:33 | webguest20 | He-he. After having used nimbus-19 on my H-120 for some time, I shortly switched to nimbus-14. And could hardly read anything! And immediately switched back to nimbus-19! :-) |
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| 08:41:54 | JdGordon | aliask: ok, thanks, i probably forgot an unboost somewhere :p |
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| 08:46:58 | webguest20 | So please include nimbus-19 into the official font package! |
| 08:50:53 | LinusN | webguest20: where is nimbus-19? |
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| 08:53:33 | webguest20 | LinusN: there is a patch in FS. #5967. |
| 08:53:39 | LinusN | aha |
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| 08:56:40 | webguest98 | linuxstb: Have you noticed that Barry has updated barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt ? Maybe there is something new to help solve the crashing/freezing? |
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| 09:09:29 | Bagder | now finally we have proof of own code running on the sansa |
| 09:09:46 | * | LinusN does the sansa dance |
| 09:09:54 | scorche | hurrah |
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| 09:10:45 | scorche | Bagder: also, on the maling list message page (viewing the actual message), it is not yet converted over to the new sidebar |
| 09:10:57 | Bagder | ok |
| 09:11:39 | markun | Bagder: could you update the rockbox front page so say that the nano 2nd gen is not sopported? |
| 09:11:56 | Bagder | and video 5.5 I guess |
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| 09:15:15 | Bagder | fixed both issues |
| 09:16:13 | webguest24 | Bagder: what is the new accomplishment with sansa? |
| 09:16:29 | scorche | wow...word gets around fast... |
| 09:16:37 | pondlife | Has the problem where daily builds contain no plugins been resolved? |
| 09:16:38 | Bagder | Peter Praest has made the scroll wheel glow |
| 09:16:47 | pondlife | Nice! |
| 09:16:58 | markun | Bagder: thanks |
| 09:20:11 | daurn|afk | uh |
| 09:20:15 | daurn|afk | general music question |
| 09:20:26 | daurn|afk | how can i convert wma to mp3 without ANY loss? |
| 09:20:34 | Bagder | you cannot |
| 09:20:36 | scorche | you dont |
| 09:20:50 | Bagder | lossy compressions are... lossy |
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| 09:22:15 | daurn|afk | even if you make the mp3 something like 512kbps? |
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| 09:22:29 | scorche | yes |
| 09:22:34 | scorche | if that were possible |
| 09:26:08 | sneakums | you'd have to convert to a format like flac to avoid further loss, but the files would be pretty large |
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| 09:27:08 | pondlife | Would anyone object if I commited a patch to allow access to sensible options in the debug menu on simulators? |
| 09:27:41 | LinusN | i won't |
| 09:27:46 | pondlife | I'm finding it useful to view the audio thread and tagcache status. |
| 09:27:52 | LinusN | do it |
| 09:28:03 | tucoz | Bagder, while you are at it. It looks like there is an extra </p> next to the Tracker submenu entry in the wiki page |
| 09:28:04 | pondlife | OK... |
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| 09:28:14 | Bagder | tucoz: yes |
| 09:28:24 | Bagder | the wiki mysteriously adds <p> tags |
| 09:28:27 | tucoz | aha |
| 09:28:30 | tucoz | ok |
| 09:28:55 | Bagder | I'm trying to solve it my staring at it very angrily |
| 09:28:58 | tucoz | hehe |
| 09:29:02 | Bagder | s/my/by |
| 09:29:22 | tucoz | maybe you have the −−add-mysterious-p-tag flag set? |
| 09:29:47 | Bagder | you think that is related? ;-P |
| 09:30:36 | tucoz | ;) |
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| 09:31:47 | pondlife | Is it intentional (screen width saving) or just "not easy" that the tracker pages don't have the left side menu? |
| 09:32:10 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 09:32:34 | Bagder | Zagor did that part |
| 09:32:57 | pondlife | It's always annoyed me slightly... just very very slightly... |
| 09:33:11 | Bagder | yeah, I agree |
| 09:33:22 | pondlife | Almost as much as the number of "iPod freezing" bug reports. |
| 09:33:37 | pondlife | Enough already! We know about it! |
| 09:34:29 | tucoz | Bagder, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HowAreParagraphsGeneratedInTWikiCode |
| 09:35:13 | linuxstb | According to this page, apple are calling the new 5gs "Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006)" - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 |
| 09:36:09 | pondlife | Oops, I broke it |
| 09:36:37 | pondlife | Weird, I tried an Archos recorder test build... |
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| 09:37:18 | pondlife | And an H300 device build |
| 09:37:39 | tucoz | heh, there is a latex plugin for twiki. http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HowAreParagraphsGeneratedInTWikiCode |
| 09:37:44 | tucoz | http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/GenPDFLatexAddOn |
| 09:39:08 | pondlife | Oops. typed make into the wrong window I guess.... fixage coming |
| 09:46:32 | tucoz | Bagder, without seeing the code for the wiki, but in the source code from the web page, i notice an empty line right under the forum link, and twiki adds a paragraph when it finds an empty line. |
| 09:47:08 | tucoz | hmm. sorry |
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| 09:48:00 | tucoz | actually. that could be it. In the front page source code, there is an empty line there. And in the wiki page source code, there is a </p> |
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| 09:52:41 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I put in endianess awareness in all the encoders |
| 09:54:10 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Niceness. |
| 09:54:41 | amiconn | hi jhMikeS |
| 09:54:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hello |
| 09:54:53 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: not a lot to do really |
| 09:55:21 | amiconn | I found something regarding the iriver freeze at 11025. Looks like it's a hardware bug: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/MCF5249E.pdf |
| 09:55:23 | jhMikeS | but mp3_enc would need a test cause I'm not positive |
| 09:55:26 | amiconn | Check Errata #1 ... |
| 09:56:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I think we can use a different approach though and use the WSI clock and no master mode. The x5 88.2 monitoring problem is gone after always using slave mode on the tlv. |
| 09:56:46 | jhMikeS | I'll give it a read right now though |
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| 10:00:26 | jhMikeS | It's funny though, the datasheet itself shows for CRSEL 0=Fxtal, 1=Fxtal/2 but the chart on p. 4-3 shows the opposite. |
| 10:02:06 | jhMikeS | For the 5250 the first chart is correct but the second looks goofed |
| 10:03:29 | jhMikeS | And what do those dividers have to do with the PLL if they're sources come off the crystal directly? The functional diagram seems a bit odd a well for both coldfires. :-/ |
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| 10:05:26 | jhMikeS | Given that, hopefully the slave mode approach will work for the uda |
| 10:06:09 | LinusN | i believe it should |
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| 10:11:51 | jhMikeS | I still have an occasional glitch of the tlv not seeming to switch correctly and it seems to happen at random but early (maybe when drive is still spinning). Could something else writing or reading i2c mess up communication? |
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| 10:15:06 | amiconn | The datasheets are _very_ confusing regarding CRSEL :/ |
| 10:15:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: heh! no doubt |
| 10:15:50 | LinusN | incredibly confusing |
| 10:16:07 | amiconn | Both the MCF5249 and the SCF5250 datasheet say CRSEL==1 means FXTAL and CRSEL==0 in section 4.3, and the opposite in section 4.2 |
| 10:16:29 | amiconn | ...both in the note regarding CRSEL and the table listing CLSEL (except for MCF5249) |
| 10:16:39 | jhMikeS | amiconn: can an isr say communicating with the pcf interrupt a read or write to the tlv registers? |
| 10:18:21 | amiconn | Rockbox sets CRSEL=1 for 5249, and CRSEL=0 for 5250 ... |
| 10:19:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I didn't check, but iirc you _must not_ do i2c communication (except to/from the pcf, which is specially protected) from within an isr |
| 10:19:46 | jhMikeS | 4-2 and 4-3 contradict for 5249. Experiments on the x5 showed CRSEL=1 to render Fxtal/2 but table 4-3 shows CRsel=1 for CRIN/1 |
| 10:20:06 | amiconn | x5 is 5250 |
| 10:20:26 | jhMikeS | I know that :) But I was just saying what I confirmed about it. |
| 10:21:02 | * | amiconn thinks the only really reliable way to find out would be to hook up some measuring equipment and test |
| 10:21:32 | jhMikeS | Why is the pcf specially protected and others not? I do reading/writen in the ONKEY1S which shared the same priority with the adc reading with does it too. |
| 10:21:43 | amiconn | The whole CRSEL/CLSEL/AUDIOSEL thing is incredibly fishy |
| 10:22:35 | jhMikeS | I set CRSEL to 1 and it played an octave lower and half speed so my measuring eq was my ear. :) |
| 10:23:28 | amiconn | jhMikeS: If you want to do i2c from within an isr, you have to make sure that such an isr can't break into an i2c communication from non-isr code => |
| 10:23:47 | amiconn | you need to disable interrupts before doing i2c |
| 10:23:48 | jhMikeS | If things aren't working right the sounds from aliasing and such are very obvious |
| 10:24:23 | amiconn | This is quite costly, and hence only done for pcf i2c |
| 10:24:38 | jhMikeS | The only other interrupt using i2c was the button tick task (LinusN said) and both share the same priority so they won't interrupt one another. |
| 10:25:07 | amiconn | No, but your isr may break into i2c communication from _non-isr_ code |
| 10:25:34 | amiconn | The tlv i2c is separate from the pcf i2c |
| 10:25:43 | jhMikeS | Not if you disable interrupts as you said. You get a logical mutex from that. |
| 10:26:08 | amiconn | I doubt the code normally accessing the tlv disables interrupts |
| 10:26:18 | jhMikeS | Ahhh...anything else share the tlv i2c? |
| 10:26:46 | amiconn | Just changing volume is enough... |
| 10:26:57 | jhMikeS | No calls nor internal code for the tlv do nor for the uda anywhere I know about. |
| 10:28:21 | jhMikeS | I meant does any other chip share the tlv's i2c physically or does it have it's own. |
| 10:28:44 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I misunderstood what you said... |
| 10:30:21 | jhMikeS | Does something share the tlv i2c that could interrupt and mess it up? |
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| 10:31:44 | jhMikeS | The problem seems to occur early but irregularly shortly after booting and going into recording. Leaving recording and coming back clears it up. |
| 10:33:16 | * | LinusN filed a support request to Freescale regarding the MCLK setup |
| 10:33:57 | jhMikeS | some isr might have nothing to do with it because using the recording menu from the screen doesn't clear it. :-/ |
| 10:34:46 | * | jhMikeS figured it out on the x5 so that leaves 5249 only. |
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| 10:35:37 | jhMikeS | I think we need a prio boost for the pcmrec thread though...88.2 wavpack flushing gets behind and it buggers out. |
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| 10:39:32 | safetydan | Hrm... I'm not sure I agree with bluebrother on the EQ preset thing |
| 10:39:39 | safetydan | I was thinking about comitting those |
| 10:40:47 | LinusN | if so manu people are asking about presets, why not have some? |
| 10:41:06 | LinusN | clueful people won't use them anyway |
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| 10:41:41 | LinusN | i think we should add them |
| 10:41:47 | LinusN | but that's me |
| 10:41:55 | safetydan | It's not like they take up much space on disk or in the image |
| 10:42:00 | LinusN | exactly |
| 10:42:08 | safetydan | anyway, I need to look at them some more first |
| 10:43:18 | sneakums | and perhaps the clueless will use them as a starting point on their journey to cluefulness |
| 10:44:08 | LinusN | exactly |
| 10:45:10 | jhMikeS | "The input to the PLL is either the crystal clock, or the crystal clock divided by two. Selection is done by CRSEL"...hmmm...but...that diagram doesn't show that clearly. (Am I getting repetitive?) In fact it shows that /4 doesn't have anything to do with the pll except the register for config if I understand. |
| 10:46:53 | jhMikeS | Do I have a clue if I use my own preset? |
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| 10:50:37 | safetydan | jhMikeS, only if it's .rockbox/eqs/clue.cfg |
| 10:51:56 | jhMikeS | add a jhMikeS-clue.cfg then =:-) |
| 10:53:01 | Bagder | safetydan: just remember to make sure buildzip.pl includes them in the zip |
| 10:54:13 | tucoz | Bagder, did you try my suggestion? |
| 10:54:45 | Bagder | no |
| 10:54:51 | Bagder | no time for that now |
| 10:54:53 | tucoz | ok |
| 10:55:10 | tucoz | no problem |
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| 11:04:28 | jhMikeS | Are ICODE_ATTR functions not allow in codecs or something? I change one to that in wavpack_enc and the encoder bombs out. |
| 11:04:36 | pondlife | I've read the logs, but am still not sure - what's the current status of the iPod CPU speed crash? |
| 11:05:31 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: You need to add the memcpy/memset lines that initialise the IRAM when the codec is started. See the decoder codecs for details. |
| 11:06:08 | jhMikeS | ahh...what's the easiest one to get through? |
| 11:06:38 | linuxstb | pondlife: It still crashes... hcs's last patch works fine for both him and me, but someone has reported that his mini still crashes with that patch. |
| 11:06:50 | linuxstb | (1st gen mini - 2nd gen uses PP5022 and is not affected by the problem) |
| 11:07:42 | pondlife | Is it too experimental still for committing? i.e. it fixes some cases perhaps, at least... |
| 11:07:46 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Just look in mpa.c and search for USE_IRAM |
| 11:08:01 | jhMikeS | ok thanks |
| 11:08:03 | amiconn | or wavpack.c, or... |
| 11:08:34 | amiconn | It's just 7 lines in total (excluding the #ifdef/#endif), 5 declarations an 2 calls |
| 11:08:34 | jhMikeS | this does it for functions? mp3_enc.c does it for data |
| 11:08:46 | amiconn | It does it for all iram |
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| 11:09:29 | linuxstb | pondlife: It changes the behaviour a lot - switching from 24MHz to 75MHz instead of 30MHz and 75MHz. hcs seems very motivated to get a working solution, so I'm happy to wait for a final patch. |
| 11:09:46 | pondlife | OK, sounds sensible. |
| 11:10:40 | linuxstb | Although I quite like lowering the low frequency to 24MHz - my FLAC files don't boost there. |
| 11:11:06 | linuxstb | And I don't think 30MHz was chosen for any scientific reason... |
| 11:11:31 | pondlife | How bad does the battery life get if you're always boosted to 75Mhz? |
| 11:12:13 | jhMikeS | I just copied the declarations and the memcpys from the other ones...that's enough then? |
| 11:13:49 | pondlife | And do we know that no freezes occur if CPU frequency scaling is disabled? |
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| 11:14:55 | linuxstb | That seems to be what people report in the forums - either disabling it in the build, or using the debug menu to manually increase the boost counter, so it never unboosts. |
| 11:15:33 | jhMikeS | is there any particular order things must be in? |
| 11:16:42 | linuxstb | Will the voice code handle recording codecs using IRAM? |
| 11:17:05 | jhMikeS | I see the IBSS_ATTR stuff before the iramcopy stuff always... |
| 11:17:54 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: what do you mean handle? There's nothing really special about them over decoders. |
| 11:18:49 | linuxstb | The voice codec needs IRAM, so it swaps itself with the playback codec if audio is playing. I'm just wondering if this is hard-coded to playback, or if it will work with recording as well. |
| 11:21:00 | jhMikeS | It swap IRAM out too |
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| 11:24:35 | jhMikeS | still now working |
| 11:29:14 | jhMikeS | works fine for mp3_enc though. hmm |
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| 11:40:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: If the encoders work in combination with voice right now, they should continue to work when using iram. Codec swap includes both iram and dram |
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| 11:41:04 | amiconn | jhMikeS: [11:17:06] <jhMikeS> I see the IBSS_ATTR stuff before the iramcopy stuff always... <= example? |
| 11:41:36 | jhMikeS | mp3_enc is the other way around but still works |
| 11:42:31 | amiconn | I can't see where mp3_enc is the other way round... |
| 11:43:02 | amiconn | The necessary memcpy + memset are the first things done in codec_start |
| 11:43:28 | jhMikeS | yes...but the IBSS stuff is after the iramcopy[] stuff instead of before |
| 11:43:49 | amiconn | ? |
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| 11:45:11 | jhMikeS | I mean the order of declaration not operation :) |
| 11:46:04 | amiconn | The order of declaration is irrelevant |
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| 11:47:05 | jhMikeS | There'd be an error if the section were full right? |
| 11:50:57 | linuxstb | There should be. |
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| 11:52:43 | jhMikeS | I wonder if having ci as IBSS_ATTR would do something if it's initialized before the memcpy |
| 11:53:45 | linuxstb | Yes, that's not good... |
| 11:54:20 | jhMikeS | probably it...just use api->memcpy then init |
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| 11:56:22 | jhMikeS | yup that fixed it |
| 11:58:31 | jhMikeS | wavpack still can't keep up at 88.2 but it took longer... |
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| 12:00:37 | amiconn | Why would you put ci in iram? |
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| 12:01:52 | jhMikeS | Whatever is accessed a lot during speed runs |
| 12:04:01 | preglow | i hardly think it'd matter much |
| 12:04:48 | jhMikeS | I did put the frame encoding in its own function in iram though...out of codec_start |
| 12:04:57 | jhMikeS | for mp3 |
| 12:05:53 | jhMikeS | Can't we just make the WavPack lib deal with 16 bit samples instead of having to convert everything in a buffer first? |
| 12:07:04 | JdGordon | does anyone have any ideas how to trace a unmatched cpu_boost(true) call? |
| 12:07:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: what do you mean deal with sixteen bit samples? |
| 12:07:29 | preglow | oh right, the encoder |
| 12:07:41 | preglow | well, if we ever add 20 bit recording... |
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| 12:09:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: everything must be sign extended to 32-bit first then packed |
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| 12:10:14 | jhMikeS | or does it? It would be good to avoid that I think |
| 12:10:40 | preglow | i don't really know what the encoders do yet |
| 12:10:52 | jhMikeS | encode! :) |
| 12:10:57 | preglow | heh |
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| 12:12:35 | preglow | eq presets |
| 12:12:35 | preglow | ! |
| 12:12:40 | preglow | that reminds me i've got a small eq commit pending |
| 12:12:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I don't thing the decoder is doing that though |
| 12:13:07 | JdGordon | aliask: i got a problem... my changed code never calls cpu_boost... so i have no idea why its staying boosted.. but it definatly is.. the count is @ 2 on my h300 now |
| 12:13:55 | aliask | I know, I grep'd the patch, and didn't find anything - could it be to do with threads? |
| 12:14:14 | PaulJam | pondlife: to answer you question froom yesterday: the playback issues (noise on trachtransition etc) can also be reproduced in the uisimulator. |
| 12:14:23 | aliask | Like priority, which may be hogging thread time, thus causing another thread to call CPU_BOOST |
| 12:14:29 | JdGordon | i dunno... doing a search of /apps/*.c every boost call is matched, which makes it very odd |
| 12:14:56 | JdGordon | Slasheri: does the scedular boost the cpu ever? |
| 12:15:06 | pondlife | PaulJam: Great |
| 12:15:15 | pondlife | Default settings was it? |
| 12:15:25 | aliask | JdGordon: Easier way was to just search the .patch file. |
| 12:15:32 | PaulJam | pondlife: default settings, only repeat set to off |
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| 12:15:50 | pondlife | I have been trying but still can't repro |
| 12:16:04 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I wouldn't want the encoders hard-coded to 16-bit any more than they already are - adding 20/24-bit recording to ipods is definitely something I would like to do. |
| 12:16:16 | preglow | deed |
| 12:16:34 | jhMikeS | preglow: can the dsp to be set to something other than 44100? |
| 12:16:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm, sure |
| 12:17:00 | jhMikeS | I wouldn't hard code it but specialize it on the fly |
| 12:17:01 | PaulJam | pondlife: you need to play the first album without interacting (skipping etc) then it works for me everytime (i have only tried mp3) |
| 12:17:01 | JdGordon | aliask: you said this arvo when u found the bug that one of the threads was never getting run.. how could you tell? |
| 12:17:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: in most cases it's just a matter of settings the sample rate variables to something else, then resetting all internal stuff |
| 12:17:27 | preglow | crossfeed won't work prime under anything other than 44.1khz, though |
| 12:17:47 | aliask | JdGordon: Audio thread debug screen showed that the codec level was really really low constantly, and I'd even get gaps in playback occaisionally. |
| 12:18:00 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 12:18:05 | pondlife | OK, I think I've done that , but will try again and resist temptation to skip the bad tracks |
| 12:18:41 | jhMikeS | preglow: hmmm...I was thing native freq could vary. I'm thinking 11,22,44,88 on cf <= use the closest one >= to the file rate |
| 12:19:11 | pondlife | jdgordon: I made a useful patch to track CPU boosting... |
| 12:19:22 | Slasheri | JdGordon: nope, scheduler does not know the cpu boost status |
| 12:19:34 | JdGordon | STATE_BLOCKED_W_TMO <- does this state mean the thread called sleep() ? and STATE_BLOCKED means the thread yielded? |
| 12:19:41 | JdGordon | pondlife: oohh... can i see? |
| 12:19:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: closest one bigger than or equal to the file rate, anyway |
| 12:19:45 | Slasheri | i have tried some sort of autoboosting but not with very good results |
| 12:19:52 | pondlife | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6033 |
| 12:20:04 | pondlife | But it needs a bit of syncing to CVS I expect |
| 12:20:05 | Slasheri | JdGordon: no |
| 12:20:05 | JdGordon | Slasheri: hmm.. ok |
| 12:20:07 | pondlife | Not hard |
| 12:20:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: that what I meant...unless it's 96k or something when hw doesn't support it. |
| 12:20:28 | Slasheri | JdGordon: BLOCKED_W_TMO, thread is sleeping and will be woken up by an external event or timeout |
| 12:20:39 | jhMikeS | preglow: why is crossfeed so important to run a 44100? |
| 12:20:42 | Slasheri | JdGordon: BLOCKED, thread is sleeping and will be woken only by an external event |
| 12:20:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: but sure, i can see no reason at all not to change the actual sample rate |
| 12:20:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: it uses a delay line with a fixed length |
| 12:20:53 | Slasheri | JdGordon: RUNNING: thread is yielding |
| 12:21:20 | jhMikeS | Can we vary it proportional to f? |
| 12:21:29 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ah, ok ta |
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| 12:21:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: we can, yes, but we'll need to allocate a maximum in the crossfeed struct, and i'll need to modify the assembler routines to not hardcode it |
| 12:21:49 | preglow | the last will be a bitch for arm |
| 12:22:13 | pondlife | Silly question.. What's the *nix equivalent of MORE to allow console output one page at a time? |
| 12:22:17 | preglow | i long since ran out of registers to use in arm crossfeed |
| 12:22:24 | preglow | pondlife: more or less |
| 12:22:54 | pondlife | Hmm, my Cygwin install lacks more |
| 12:22:59 | preglow | pondlife: most people prefer less, i think |
| 12:23:04 | preglow | at least i do |
| 12:23:11 | jhMikeS | ahhh...Well I only have switching on x5 and iRiver to a max of 88.2...as for arm I'm clueless so it could stay the same for any other. I'll wait till my recording had matured through. |
| 12:23:19 | pondlife | Ah, yes less works |
| 12:23:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: nah, it needs to be dealt with sooner or later anyway |
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| 12:23:29 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 12:23:54 | preglow | i just have to make myself look at the asm long enough to see where i can squeeze out a new register |
| 12:24:09 | jhMikeS | I want to finish this project...I'm very busy on it working my butt off...quality can't suffer. |
| 12:24:47 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 12:25:59 | preglow | the settings will sound different for different sample rates, though |
| 12:26:19 | preglow | unless i implement fractional delays, and then i'll surely be swamped with missing registers |
| 12:27:18 | jhMikeS | Linear int from 11 to 44 gets a lot of crusty overtones. =:-) |
| 12:27:41 | preglow | "wow" |
| 12:28:02 | preglow | but yes, we'll need a better resampler some day |
| 12:28:21 | preglow | which probably won't happen anytime soon if i have to be the one to make it |
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| 12:28:45 | jhMikeS | Now doom can play directly at 11 and sounds pretty good considering |
| 12:28:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: do you know how hard it would be to export recording to plugins, btw? just a simple callback type thing passing data whenever it's ready |
| 12:29:58 | jhMikeS | It could be done in theory...as long as you implement the interface. It is more complicated now with the delay file starts and such but more powerful. |
| 12:30:27 | jhMikeS | The mp3 encoder insert the silent delay samples and padding at splits as it should. |
| 12:30:45 | preglow | nothing like that will be needed, just passing data from the adc to a buffer is all i need |
| 12:31:55 | jhMikeS | You could implement a stream that looks like file apis that write to a buffer. |
| 12:32:42 | preglow | shruggage |
| 12:32:57 | jhMikeS | The codecs call write and such now. I may even have them open and close the file itself. I'm not sure if your talking about using the codecs in plugins or not though. |
| 12:33:11 | preglow | just wondering how hard it would be to implement. something exactly like this is already in there for playback, so i'm just missing the recording part before i can do my full duplex audio effect shiznit thing |
| 12:33:15 | preglow | heh |
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| 12:34:09 | amiconn | Full duplex audio effects? |
| 12:34:36 | * | amiconn would like a better working resampler :/ |
| 12:34:54 | preglow | i wouldn't |
| 12:34:57 | jhMikeS | you're talking about using the codecs though right? |
| 12:35:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: nope |
| 12:35:04 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 12:35:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: just plain simple pcm from adc delivered to a plugin in a buffer |
| 12:35:42 | preglow | so that i can process it and spit it right out again |
| 12:36:15 | jhMikeS | ahhh...hmmm....I see the possibilites :) |
| 12:38:06 | pondlife | Stomp box |
| 12:38:08 | jhMikeS | If I implemented just the pcm buffer part then you really don't need the recording interface itself used by the screen. Youd just use the DMA and a FIFO I suppose. |
| 12:38:40 | preglow | yup |
| 12:38:42 | preglow | should be enough |
| 12:39:21 | jhMikeS | Guitar effects...vocoder...etc.etc. |
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| 12:39:36 | preglow | indeeds |
| 12:39:51 | preglow | would be fun to see how much i can squeeze out of my poor old h120 |
| 12:40:21 | jhMikeS | I'll think about that...needs a wee little splitting off but not much I think. |
| 12:40:34 | preglow | no rush, prolly won't have time to do much for a while anyway |
| 12:41:24 | preglow | btw, do anyone here have the capability to record spdif? |
| 12:41:30 | preglow | to wavs, that is |
| 12:42:04 | preglow | i'd be quite interested in some samples on how iriver does the resampling |
| 12:42:19 | preglow | i've already got a rough guess, but some actual samples would be nice |
| 12:44:01 | ender` | spdif - you mean optical? |
| 12:44:04 | preglow | yea |
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| 12:44:23 | ender` | i probably can, i'd just need to buy the cable |
| 12:44:33 | preglow | no biggie, i'm sure someone's already got a cable |
| 12:45:13 | JdGordon | aliask: i just set setting reset/load/save code to all boost while they are working and it seems to have fixed it.. ?! |
| 12:45:30 | jhMikeS | preglow: the peakmeters could take refresh of thousands of time a second now...I think you asked about that. |
| 12:45:35 | aliask | Well if it fixed it... |
| 12:46:03 | JdGordon | or maybe not.. it didnt resume on startup so ignore that :p |
| 12:46:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: cool |
| 12:46:42 | ender` | well, if you don't find anybody, i can go buy that cable |
| 12:46:43 | aliask | Heh ok. |
| 12:47:12 | JdGordon | nope.. something is wrong with the audio thread.. |
| 12:47:27 | jhMikeS | the resolution is 16 bytes |
| 12:47:36 | JdGordon | as soon as playback starts boost goes to 2 and codec thread gets starved |
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| 12:52:00 | JdGordon | :'( i give up! |
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| 12:54:00 | jhMikeS | can we set other priorities than the defined ones or must they be only those? |
| 12:54:12 | jhMikeS | for threads that is |
| 12:54:20 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: use the defined ones + or - a few |
| 12:55:04 | jhMikeS | WavPack at 88.2 can't flush right with total boost |
| 12:55:09 | JdGordon | PRIORITY_BACKGROUND + 4 for a really really low brority |
| 12:56:18 | jhMikeS | Does priority x mean it gets scheduled every x rounds? |
| 12:56:34 | JdGordon | havta ask Slasheri about that |
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| 13:00:18 | preglow | it uses relative priorities, so how often it gets scheduled depends on the other threads' priorities |
| 13:00:54 | jhMikeS | guess I have to actually have a close look at it sometime |
| 13:01:04 | preglow | you should never depend on any scheduling pattern anyway |
| 13:01:10 | preglow | just that it gets scheduled often enough |
| 13:01:33 | LinusN | Slasheri: you should update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel |
| 13:01:40 | jhMikeS | I wonder if pcmrec does at when it really needs to get ahead |
| 13:02:24 | Slasheri | LinusN: ah, i will do |
| 13:03:58 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: currently it means that thread will be excecuted when its last excecution time is greater than 1/8*priority seconds |
| 13:04:41 | jhMikeS | why shouldn't set_thread_priority return the last one so you can say bump and restore? |
| 13:05:12 | LinusN | good idea |
| 13:05:23 | Slasheri | hmm, indeed |
| 13:05:37 | jhMikeS | I still want a get_current_thread! :) |
| 13:05:53 | LinusN | for what? |
| 13:06:39 | jhMikeS | For whenever you need the current thread but don't have an id handy |
| 13:06:47 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: but you always know the current running thread, don't you? |
| 13:07:19 | jhMikeS | Not if I need to pass it to something else. What's that, like a line or two to implement? |
| 13:07:50 | jhMikeS | I know you have NULL and that's definitely convenient too |
| 13:08:20 | LinusN | jhMikeS: no need to implement something until it is needed |
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| 13:08:50 | LinusN | generally speaking |
| 13:09:42 | LinusN | but i agree that it would be a nice thing to have |
| 13:09:46 | jhMikeS | True, but it won't be linked in if it's not right? and it's potentially useful |
| 13:09:49 | jhMikeS | Here: |
| 13:09:50 | jhMikeS | struct thread_entry * get_current_thread(void) |
| 13:09:50 | jhMikeS | { |
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| 13:09:50 | jhMikeS | return cores[CURRENT_CORE].running; |
| 13:09:50 | jhMikeS | } |
| 13:10:02 | LinusN | especially when you want to implement mutex ownership |
| 13:10:20 | LinusN | it will be linked in even if it isn't used |
| 13:10:52 | jhMikeS | why...gcc doesn't have the equivalent of COMDATs or such? |
| 13:10:52 | LinusN | the linker granularity is on object files |
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| 13:11:02 | amiconn | preglow: You need spdif recordings of what your resampler spits out? |
| 13:11:12 | preglow | amiconn: of what the iriver resampler spits out |
| 13:11:22 | amiconn | OF? |
| 13:11:22 | LinusN | jhMikeS: you can make gcc put each function in a separate section |
| 13:11:28 | preglow | i know what my "resampler" spits out, hhe |
| 13:11:29 | preglow | amiconn: yup |
| 13:11:31 | jhMikeS | ech |
| 13:11:38 | LinusN | jhMikeS: and let the linker weed out the unused functions |
| 13:11:46 | preglow | amiconn: i think the of resampler is pretty decent and want to see exactly what they're doing |
| 13:11:53 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I should try to get mas pcm recording going... then I could do such things |
| 13:12:00 | preglow | heh |
| 13:12:11 | jhMikeS | I think MS C++ does that. Does that make it slow? |
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| 13:12:29 | LinusN | jhMikeS: who said anything about being slow? |
| 13:12:55 | linuxstb | The gcc man page says function-sections create larger and slower code... |
| 13:12:56 | jhMikeS | It seems a good think not to link unused stuff, no? |
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| 13:13:02 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 13:13:03 | amiconn | preglow: No, really |
| 13:13:26 | preglow | amiconn: no, really, what? |
| 13:13:44 | amiconn | Once mas pcm recording is working, the only other thing I need to do such recordings is an optical->coax converter - and I already built one |
| 13:14:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I dispensed with the cfg files for codec...was pretty easy but have to do a little conversion between global and encoder versions until we get the real values stuff. |
| 13:15:18 | jhMikeS | It's still almost as self-contained though as it was |
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| 13:17:16 | preglow | i should whip together a couple of quick wavs for some people to try out for me |
| 13:17:51 | preglow | OF _does_ support wav, yes? |
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| 13:18:47 | * | amiconn doesn't know |
| 13:18:58 | amiconn | All I did in the H1x0 OF was playing 1..2 mp3s |
| 13:19:10 | amiconn | ...months ago |
| 13:20:30 | webguest20 | preglow: yes, it supports WAV, MP3, OGG, and WMA |
| 13:21:09 | safetydan | preglow, are you talking about recording? |
| 13:21:47 | linuxstb | I think the h1x0 records both wav and mp3, but the h3x0 only records to mp3. |
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| 13:23:29 | preglow | safetydan: i'm talking about spdif recording some results from the iriver firmware |
| 13:23:41 | preglow | so i'm just wondering it plays back wav |
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| 13:24:28 | linuxstb | Yes, I remember playing back some 48KHz WAVs with the OF when I first got my h140 |
| 13:25:18 | safetydan | ah okay |
| 13:25:18 | linuxstb | Oddly, it didn't support 48KHz wma or 48KHz vorbis... |
| 13:25:19 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I did reentrant mutex ownership as a gag...wasn't hard since thread.c had a global for it. |
| 13:25:43 | safetydan | anyone got a suggestion for a good place in the build for presets? |
| 13:25:51 | safetydan | apps/eqs is the current candidate |
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| 13:28:06 | preglow | linuxstb: iriverfw truly seems to be a modular masterpiece |
| 13:28:21 | preglow | playback speed altering only supported for mp3, multiple sample rates only support for some codecs... |
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| 13:34:32 | safetydan | Any updates one when/if the repository is moving to subversion? |
| 13:34:52 | * | safetydan has grown to fear the permanence of "cvs add directory" |
| 13:35:40 | amiconn | preglow: The manual says OF supports 11, 22, 44 and 48kHz playback for wav |
| 13:36:18 | amiconn | It doesn't say anything about supported sample rates for other codecs |
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| 13:36:44 | LinusN | safetydan: there are no immediate plans |
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| 13:37:26 | safetydan | ah well, would be nice |
| 13:37:39 | safetydan | one day I might even convince work to move to subversion as well |
| 13:42:16 | preglow | how much work is the repository conversion in itself? |
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| 13:42:29 | preglow | that's just a quick thing, yes? |
| 13:44:04 | webguest75 | hi, i just registered for the wiki and have been told i need to come here to get my wikiname (JamesDenman) approved. |
| 13:45:38 | safetydan | preglow, depends on how you do it |
| 13:45:46 | safetydan | if you convert the entire history it's a long process |
| 13:46:03 | safetydan | just converting the latest revision of everything is of course very quick |
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| 13:46:32 | linuxstb | It's not just a matter of running cvs2svn? |
| 13:46:43 | safetydan | linuxstb, yes it is |
| 13:46:57 | safetydan | but that has options on how much of your repository history you copy over |
| 13:47:10 | preglow | well, everything should be copied |
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| 13:47:30 | preglow | but in any way it's just a matter of time, yes? it's not difficult no matter how you do it? |
| 13:47:59 | safetydan | yup |
| 13:49:20 | linuxstb | I'm sure I remember Bagder saying he did a test conversion at svn.rockbox.org |
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| 13:52:58 | safetydan | obviously it was a fancy conversion |
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| 13:53:33 | Bagder | safetydan: you can actually checkout rockbox using svn:// from there |
| 13:53:44 | daurn|afk | uh. any one have the song: baba o'reily |
| 13:53:54 | daurn|afk | i have the BIGGEST urge to listen to it :S |
| 13:54:12 | safetydan | Bagder, just referring to the "This is a fancy website" page when you browse to that server |
| 13:54:18 | Bagder | I figured |
| 13:56:50 | linuxstb | So what would be the svn command to check out that repository/ |
| 13:56:51 | linuxstb | ? |
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| 13:57:29 | safetydan | svn checkout svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 13:58:26 | * | linuxstb does "man svn" and is disappointed... |
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| 13:59:45 | daurn|afk | (the "The Who" version if possible0 |
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| 14:00:40 | Bagder | linuxstb: it has a fairly good help command 'svn help' and 'svn help co' etc |
| 14:01:14 | linuxstb | I know, but I like man pages... |
| 14:01:19 | preglow | msot commands are like cvs anyway |
| 14:01:44 | * | Bagder actually wrote the first svn man page |
| 14:02:29 | linuxstb | Is there the equivalent to a -z option, or is compression used automatically? |
| 14:02:38 | Bagder | it always compresses |
| 14:02:43 | * | preglow hugs ssh+svn |
| 14:03:45 | daurn|afk | Bagder: please tell me: why do you make your personal details so readily available online? |
| 14:04:03 | LinusN | because they are not a secret? |
| 14:05:03 | Bagder | because it is all part of the great conspiracy |
| 14:05:19 | linuxstb | daurn|afk: How do you know his details are correct? |
| 14:05:45 | daurn|afk | linuxstb: no idea ;) |
| 14:06:25 | daurn|afk | i dunno, but, for example, if i didn't like you for some reason (or for retaliation for kicking me etc), i could get all sorts of stuff done to you... from junk mail, to endless marketing calls, to reporting you to police etc |
| 14:06:26 | Lynx_ | what is the topic a reference to? |
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| 14:09:29 | preglow | daurn|afk: because he's not paranoid? |
| 14:09:46 | LinusN | daurn|afk: you would really have to hide well to avoid that |
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| 14:09:50 | preglow | indeed |
| 14:10:04 | preglow | if you know what you're about, you can get most people's personal details without too much bother |
| 14:10:12 | LinusN | and we don't believe in playing clark kent |
| 14:10:41 | LinusN | it's part of being a real person |
| 14:10:45 | daurn|afk | i'm sure you could find my details |
| 14:10:45 | daurn|afk | but, having them THAT open |
| 14:11:15 | daurn|afk | if i'm a bit angry, i could retaliate - with a bit of privacy, the person has time to cool down |
| 14:11:44 | daurn|afk | also, if you happen to say something slightly illegel in the wrong place, you aren't as likely to be tracked down |
| 14:11:53 | preglow | then try always being a nice guy |
| 14:11:56 | preglow | there's no reason not to anyway |
| 14:16:10 | * | daurn|afk looks up preglow |
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| 14:18:41 | preglow | you'll have more luck with looking up thom johansen, heh |
| 14:19:24 | daurn|afk | heh |
| 14:19:27 | daurn|afk | already found that |
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| 14:20:30 | preglow | and no, i'm not a martial arts sensei :P |
| 14:21:16 | preglow | not too many of me in norway at the moment |
| 14:21:48 | daurn|afk | 8 thom johansens |
| 14:21:49 | jhMikeS | Meet my friends Sig, Winchester and Colt >:^D |
| 14:22:32 | daurn|afk | you still 24? |
| 14:22:35 | preglow | 25 |
| 14:22:57 | daurn|afk | ah, you were 24 in december ;) |
| 14:23:08 | preglow | sure, i turned 25 in june |
| 14:23:13 | preglow | so that should be true |
| 14:23:27 | jhMikeS | I'm 24...in hex |
| 14:24:07 | daurn|afk | middle name is Martin or Henry? |
| 14:24:14 | preglow | daurn|afk: no middle name |
| 14:24:26 | daurn|afk | damn |
| 14:24:49 | preglow | hell, in hex i can just barely drink |
| 14:25:30 | daurn|afk | 900 37 364 |
| 14:25:32 | daurn|afk | ? |
| 14:25:36 | preglow | daurn|afk: nope |
| 14:25:45 | preglow | that's the sandefjord one |
| 14:25:57 | preglow | i live in oslo |
| 14:26:04 | daurn|afk | damn |
| 14:26:05 | daurn|afk | :S |
| 14:26:23 | daurn|afk | anyway, only 8 to pick from |
| 14:26:31 | daurn|afk | i could just ring all of them ;) |
| 14:26:33 | jhMikeS | There's someone trying to track everyone down? Check the "where are the rockboxers" map. :) |
| 14:26:34 | preglow | hahaha |
| 14:27:02 | preglow | it's a miracle that map isn't bringing google's servers down at the moment |
| 14:27:30 | jhMikeS | Come meet me at my door if you dare! |
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| 14:28:27 | daurn|afk | i'd be interested how fast you can find my details |
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| 14:33:17 | daurn|afk | uh, i assume everyone is looking for my details, or off coding... please pick one ;) |
| 14:33:29 | aliask | I'm looking for you :) |
| 14:33:41 | aliask | You've done a reasonable job. |
| 14:34:16 | jhMikeS | *sleeping while awake doing both wanting to floss teeth* |
| 14:34:38 | daurn|afk | hint: i AM the ONLY person to have ever used "daurnimator" for a nick |
| 14:35:13 | jhMikeS | I see that in the whois |
| 14:37:10 | aliask | Oh hey, you're from melbourne too. |
| 14:37:20 | daurn|afk | yeah |
| 14:37:34 | aliask | Southeast too :) |
| 14:37:38 | daurn|afk | thats public :P - nearly every forum i put that as my location |
| 14:38:08 | daurn|afk | aliask: hint: on the where is rockbox thing, my pointer is about on my kitchen |
| 14:38:13 | daurn|afk | but, you still get no address, full name or telephone number |
| 14:38:36 | aliask | I could get the address from long/lat |
| 14:39:01 | aliask | The melbourne property division maps are quite accurate. |
| 14:39:22 | aliask | Well, at least I know you can go Adress -> Long/lat, I assume you could go the other way. |
| 14:39:34 | daurn|afk | are they online? - i also doubt they go in reverse |
| 14:39:35 | aliask | Address even. |
| 14:40:05 | aliask | They're online, and you could just brute force it, you could get it down to at least one of three houses. |
| 14:40:50 | daurn|afk | you can probably guess with google maps |
| 14:41:08 | daurn|afk | just type in street and suburb (which you should see on rockbox maps) |
| 14:41:20 | Bagder | google earth can move to any long/lat, can't it? |
| 14:41:28 | daurn|afk | and see which number is about where my pointer is |
| 14:41:28 | preglow | yes |
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| 14:44:54 | daurn|afk | ah |
| 14:44:58 | daurn|afk | tracked myself down |
| 14:45:50 | daurn|afk | well, my common full name |
| 14:46:10 | daurn|afk | - more of my first name, and half of my surname |
| 14:47:38 | daurn|afk | now that method is removed |
| 14:48:24 | aliask | I think I have your address, including unit number. |
| 14:48:35 | daurn|afk | post in PM |
| 14:48:49 | daurn|afk | don't want the next challenger to find it without looking ;) |
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| 15:18:59 | Genre9mp3 | From the front page: "Apple: iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th gen (Video), 1st gen Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen (Nano 2nd gen and Video 5.5th gen are not supported)" |
| 15:19:15 | Genre9mp3 | Shouldn't be "iPod 3rd gen" there as well? |
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| 15:44:09 | Genre9mp3 | About Creative's X-Fi: "Creative claims it will restore the quality of your lossy MP3 files back to or better than the original lossless files" |
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| 15:44:16 | Genre9mp3 | Are there actually people that are going to believe these sh*t??? |
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| 15:49:13 | Genre9mp3 | Quote from Creative's press release: "...the Creative Xmod, a device based upon its X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity audio platform that improves music playback quality for MP3, WMA, iTunes or AAC songs to beyond the original CD quality." |
| 15:50:46 | Genre9mp3 | Someone should put an end on these marketing practices... |
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| 15:55:15 | Genre9mp3 | ping: 255.255.255.255 |
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| 15:55:26 | aliask | pong |
| 15:55:28 | preglow | hahahaha |
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| 15:56:09 | Genre9mp3 | Oh... the channel is not sleeping after all... |
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| 15:56:43 | bluebrother | woot! |
| 15:56:53 | * | bluebrother hands out a beer to everyone in the channel |
| 15:56:59 | aliask | Yaaay |
| 15:57:12 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: What are we celebrating? |
| 15:57:15 | aliask | Too bad I have school in 7 hours. |
| 15:57:26 | bluebrother | me passing my last exam :D |
| 15:57:37 | Genre9mp3 | Congrats! :D |
| 15:57:39 | aliask | My first exam is next wednesday D: |
| 15:58:07 | tucoz | bluebrother, congratulations :) |
| 15:58:16 | bluebrother | thanks |
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| 16:04:19 | aliask | There is only one logical progression - open another. |
| 16:05:05 | daurn|afk | aliask: goto bed ;) |
| 16:05:25 | aliask | Ok mum. |
| 16:05:32 | aliask | G'night |
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| 16:05:44 | daurn|afk | ok, cyas all |
| 16:05:52 | daurn|afk | (gnight) |
| 16:06:14 | Genre9mp3 | It's 17:05 here! :P |
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| 16:47:13 | ukrainez | privet rebyata! does anyone know, which size the USB-connected logo in /apps/gui/logo.c has to have? |
| 16:47:37 | barrywardell | linuxstb: Just updated that ipod target tree patch with your suggestions. any comments on it? |
| 16:49:13 | Genre9mp3 | ukrainez: As I can see from the file: |
| 16:49:24 | Genre9mp3 | #define BMPHEIGHT_usb_logo_main 32 and #define BMPWIDTH_usb_logo_main 100 |
| 16:50:24 | ukrainez | oh, crap! sorry, can't really read code. so, 32 x 100. could I possibly change that to screen resolution, or rather not? |
| 16:52:33 | Genre9mp3 | It should probably work... but I'm not so sure... You have to take into account the status bar, too |
| 16:53:31 | ukrainez | ok, thought so too. I guess I'll simply try it. thanks. |
| 16:54:44 | Genre9mp3 | ukrainez: Maybe just make it a bit bigger and not use the whole screen is probably better idea |
| 16:55:14 | ukrainez | OK. Thank you, Genre9mp3! This is ukrainez. Over and out. |
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| 17:32:23 | amiconn | hmm |
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| 17:40:38 | amiconn | ukrainez reminded me of another todo - converting core logos, icons etc for the bmp build system |
| 17:44:49 | linuxstb | I'm happy to do the USB logo tonight. I'm not sure how best to approach the icons though - whether to save them as individual bitmaps, or have one bitmap and change the icon drawing to use partial bitmaps... |
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| 18:30:50 | bluebrother | barrywardell, what do you think about splitting up the IriverFAQ in 4 parts? One generic and one for each supported device. |
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| 18:37:20 | barrywardell | bluebrother: I like the idea. The H10 is so different from the others that most questions are more likely to be answered in the ipod faq |
| 18:37:44 | bluebrother | Ok, I'm going to separate the FAQ then. I don't like it to be that long and clumsy. |
| 18:37:53 | barrywardell | great |
| 18:38:01 | bluebrother | the h10 page will be missing quite a lot of questions first ... |
| 18:38:12 | bluebrother | recording is currently missing, isn't it? |
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| 18:38:26 | barrywardell | yes, but there is a work in progress patch |
| 18:38:33 | barrywardell | radio is missing too |
| 18:38:58 | barrywardell | speaking of recording, does anyone know why there are two mp3 encoders in Rockbox? |
| 18:39:03 | bluebrother | that was the thing I recognized that :) |
| 18:39:29 | barrywardell | plugins/mp3_encoder.c and apps/codecs/mp3_enc.c |
| 18:39:31 | bluebrother | two encoders? There was mp3_encoder, and the recording framework that allowed mp3 recording got added later |
| 18:39:48 | barrywardell | which one does the recording screen use? |
| 18:41:34 | linuxstb_ | The plugin is for converting WAV files to MP3 on your player. The real-time recording encoder is in apps/codecs/ |
| 18:41:53 | pondlife | Can the plugin be removed now? |
| 18:41:57 | barrywardell | they seem like they are both derived from the same source code |
| 18:42:25 | barrywardell | but the plugin has endianness checks in it which is handy for h10/ipod |
| 18:47:17 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: BTW, your latest ipod target-tree patch looks good to me - assuming it works... |
| 18:47:36 | barrywardell | it compiles on all targets anyway |
| 18:47:49 | barrywardell | good enough for CVS? |
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| 18:50:23 | linuxstb_ | I think so. |
| 18:50:58 | mozrat | Hi guys - how can I diagnose my rockbox install freezing on a 4th Gen iPod? |
| 18:51:24 | barrywardell | to undo my stupid cvs add mistake, should I just do a cvs del on the apple dir? |
| 18:51:34 | mozrat | it plays and then stops after about 20 minutes - the consistancy seems to be that 20 minute period rather than a single media file |
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| 18:51:44 | barrywardell | mozrat: it's probaly frequency scaling. see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 |
| 18:51:47 | obo | I don't think you can delete directories under CVS? |
| 18:51:59 | mozrat | barrywardell: thanks, I'll have a look |
| 18:53:05 | barrywardell | obo: no? surely it's possible to just do cvs remove on a directory? |
| 18:55:19 | mozrat | barrywardell: this is a very recent bug - is it worth using a slightly older firmware image or is the frequency scaling issue present there too? |
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| 18:55:37 | barrywardell | mozrat: i think the bug has always been present |
| 18:55:55 | barrywardell | you can avoid the problem by boosting the cpu as soon as you turn your ipod on |
| 18:55:58 | obo | there is some weird issue about removing folders. There is a -P option, but... I'm not that hot on CVS |
| 18:56:09 | mozrat | barrywardell: how do I do that? |
| 18:57:05 | barrywardell | iirc, it's in info->debug->cpu or something like that |
| 18:57:29 | mozrat | ok cool - I'll play with that. Thank you for your help |
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| 18:59:43 | barrywardell | http://www.thathost.com/wincvs-howto/cvsdoc/cvs_7.html#SEC74 |
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| 19:00:14 | barrywardell | does that mean I need to ask Bagder or someone else with access to the server to do it? |
| 19:01:30 | obo | pass - sorry |
| 19:02:07 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Yes, the only option is for someone to delete them on the server. |
| 19:04:14 | linuxstb_ | mozrat: Yes, it's an old bug, but it's being worked on. In the meantime, you might like to use one of the unofficial builds that disables CPU boosting for the 4g. Check the "Unofficial Builds" forum. |
| 19:04:18 | * | barrywardell curses cvs |
| 19:08:58 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Don't worry about it - if people use -P with cvs (which I think most Rockbox devs do), then empty directories are pruned, so people won't notice they are there. |
| 19:10:23 | pondlife | Anyone out there who's recently had some white noise played back (or other odd behaviour) when rebuffering? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6117 is a Request For Infomation. |
| 19:10:26 | bluebrother | barrywardell, hope you like the split-up FAQ :) |
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| 19:12:12 | barrywardell | pondlife: i heard of similar problems with the H10 over on misticriver |
| 19:14:43 | pondlife | It's something which PaulJam saw in the sim, so pretty general |
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| 19:14:57 | barrywardell | bluebrother: nice :) |
| 19:15:15 | pondlife | I suspect something to do with metadata parsing is resulting in a negative file buffer pointer. |
| 19:15:23 | barrywardell | I'll try to fill in some extra stuff when I can |
| 19:15:30 | pondlife | But haven't been able to repro this one at all. |
| 19:15:52 | bluebrother | makes it way more readable also for the other players. Still needs some work ... but not now ;-) |
| 19:15:54 | pondlife | I'll attach a patch to the bug report, if that's not bad form... |
| 19:16:13 | amiconn | A pointer can't become negative... |
| 19:16:22 | pondlife | No, it becomes very big |
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| 19:16:43 | pondlife | But is displayed as negative when cast to a long in the debug screen |
| 19:17:01 | pondlife | It's actually size_t filebufused |
| 19:17:09 | pondlife | So not even a pointer |
| 19:17:20 | barrywardell | pondlife: here's the report I saw: http://misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=501915&postcount=688 |
| 19:18:09 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 19:18:45 | pondlife | I'll give that a go. How much RAM does the H10 have? |
| 19:19:30 | barrywardell | 32MB |
| 19:19:41 | pondlife | OK, so similar buffer size to my H340 |
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| 20:08:32 | amiconn | Any flyspray admin around? |
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| 20:09:41 | amiconn | The flyspray email notifications refer to a 'history' tab - which doesn't exist! (disabled?) |
| 20:10:34 | linuxstb_ | I can see the history tab (if I'm logged in). |
| 20:11:45 | amiconn | Oh thanks |
| 20:12:03 | amiconn | Flyspray used to keep me logged in, so I didn't pay attention... |
| 20:12:14 | linuxstb_ | But it would be nice if the notifications were more informative. |
| 20:14:07 | amiconn | Hmm, another flyspray issue: You can either set Operating System to 'All targets', or one specific target, but you can't set groups |
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| 20:16:38 | amiconn | The recording corruption bug was changed (by RaeNye) from 'All targets' to 'Archos Recorder' - but it affects all archoses that can record, i.e. Recorder v1/v2/fm and Ondio FM |
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| 20:17:56 | linuxstb_ | Yes, there's lots of bugs like that - all swcodec, all ipod etc... |
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| 20:18:53 | bluebrother | another thing: the "changed" notification could be better as you can't see what's been changed until you go to the web site itself |
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| 21:49:47 | mirak | hi |
| 21:50:08 | ThinWhiteDuke | hi! a question: Does rockbox still have trouble with playing high bitrate VBR-MP3s? |
| 21:50:22 | Bagder | still? |
| 21:50:39 | ThinWhiteDuke | i read somewhere that that's an issue...not? |
| 21:50:58 | ThinWhiteDuke | on iPods |
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| 21:52:23 | hcs | 320kbps mp3s play fine on my ipod photo |
| 21:52:41 | hcs | as long as there's no peakmeters in the wps |
| 21:53:02 | mirak | where can I find good wps with colors etcetera ? |
| 21:53:37 | mirak | are the menus of rockbox skinable or is it only for the play screen ? (though I guess wps means while playing screen) |
| 21:53:37 | ThinWhiteDuke | I'm talking about Variabel Bitrate-MP3s. I think Constant Bitrate MP3s work fine |
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| 21:53:44 | ThinWhiteDuke | variable |
| 21:53:54 | Bagder | ThinWhiteDuke: why not just try for yourself? |
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| 21:54:42 | Bagder | and a 320kbs VBR would of course be CBR ;-) |
| 21:54:50 | mirak | is there a page with the futur of rockbox or important things beeing worked on ? |
| 21:55:02 | ThinWhiteDuke | hehe.. yeah, I should, but I thought I'd check if anyone has any experience with VBR-MP3s on a new 5.5G 80 GB ipod....anyone??? |
| 21:55:35 | Bagder | eh, Rockbox doesn't work on the 5.5G (yet) |
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| 21:56:19 | ThinWhiteDuke | ok... also seems that goPod (volume-limit-eraser) doesn't work... |
| 21:56:24 | Genre9mp3 | mirak: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 21:56:47 | ThinWhiteDuke | I hope Rockbox doesn't have any french/EU volume-limit? :) |
| 21:56:59 | Genre9mp3 | mirak: Though don't take into account the dates on that page... |
| 21:57:00 | desowin | ThinWhiteDuke: everything works fine here on iPod mini |
| 21:57:16 | mirak | ThinWhiteDuke: no, but the volume is still weak for line out |
| 21:57:57 | desowin | ThinWhiteDuke: I didn't find any music file that rockbox couldn't play |
| 21:58:04 | mirak | by the way I couldn't find a way to increase the gain of songs with low volume. |
| 21:59:24 | preglow | any autoconf experts here? |
| 21:59:24 | preglow | :> |
| 21:59:35 | desowin | ThinWhiteDuke: and my fave is lame -V0 for mp3 and ogg -q 10 for vorbis |
| 21:59:45 | Bagder | preglow: what's the prob? |
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| 22:00:44 | preglow | Bagder: i want to link my program statically (or at least statically as far as possible), and am wondering if autoconf can deal with this for me |
| 22:01:28 | mirak | hem, is there a way to see the memory consumation of functions and static vars from a simple C binary, kind of like rockbox map allow to see ? |
| 22:01:55 | Bagder | preglow: not really, you'd typically just set LDFLAGS before you invoke configure |
| 22:02:18 | Bagder | but it depends on the configure script and how it was done |
| 22:02:18 | preglow | Bagder: LDFLAGS="-static" ./configure ? |
| 22:02:24 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:02:28 | preglow | i'll try that |
| 22:02:51 | preglow | i never overwrite LDFLAGS, so it might work |
| 22:03:44 | preglow | Bagder: yeah, as i suspected, it tries to link everything static |
| 22:03:50 | preglow | Bagder: and not all libs are available as static libs |
| 22:04:26 | Bagder | aha, so you want to link the app with some libs static? |
| 22:04:46 | preglow | Bagder: basically every lib that is available as an .a, heh |
| 22:04:54 | Bagder | then I suggest you just copy and past the link line and insert -static where appropriately |
| 22:04:58 | preglow | Bagder: which is almost all, except some of the gtk ones |
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| 22:05:13 | preglow | Bagder: yeah, that'll probably be the easiest |
| 22:05:44 | mirak | about tetrox : "In addition to the trademark claim, they also claim copyright on 'features' |
| 22:05:46 | mirak | of the game. However, the lawyers agree with me that those claims are |
| 22:05:46 | mirak | nonsense so we can safely ignore them." |
| 22:06:00 | mirak | is the tetrox lawyers or rockbox ones ? |
| 22:06:08 | mirak | is that the |
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| 22:06:16 | preglow | assuming ld works like that, of course |
| 22:06:26 | Bagder | preglow: I believe it does |
| 22:06:49 | Bagder | mirak: eh, why would the Tetris lawyers threaten us and then agree it is silly? |
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| 22:07:06 | Bagder | "the lawyers" in that case is the ones Zagor talked to |
| 22:07:25 | preglow | Bagder: you do mean as in put -static after the libs which will be dynamically linked? if so, then no, doesn't look like it does |
| 22:07:47 | Bagder | preglow: no, I think -static should be _before_ the libs that are static, but after the ones that should be dynamic |
| 22:07:54 | preglow | right, right |
| 22:07:57 | preglow | then i'll need some reordering |
| 22:08:03 | preglow | ah, no |
| 22:08:06 | preglow | that's exactly what i do :> |
| 22:08:27 | mirak | Bagder: how is it a non sens by the way ? that's a ripof of tetris lol. Not that I care, but I am just wondering. Is the fact it's not commercialised enough ? |
| 22:08:39 | * | petur wonders what is missing when rockboxdev.sh says it couldn't find downloader tool to use |
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| 22:08:43 | Bagder | mirak: you can't copyright "features" |
| 22:08:52 | obo | petur: wget or curl? |
| 22:08:55 | Bagder | petur: curl or wget |
| 22:09:15 | Bagder | but the message should probably say so |
| 22:09:35 | preglow | Bagder: nah, it doesn't, i put -static just before the last few libs on the line i know are available static, but ld complains it can't find the one that isn't then too |
| 22:09:36 | mirak | Bagder: but the game itself ? I am just trying to understand |
| 22:10:03 | Bagder | preglow: the man page for ld says it works like that |
| 22:10:19 | Bagder | mirak: copyright is for implementations |
| 22:10:28 | preglow | Bagder: so i see |
| 22:10:42 | Bagder | mirak: you can't protect ideas with copyright |
| 22:11:01 | Bagder | that's what patents are for |
| 22:11:55 | preglow | i like the fact that autoconf stuffs all of CXXFLAGS on the linker line too |
| 22:12:25 | Bagder | preglow: autoconf can do that but is most often told not to |
| 22:12:48 | preglow | Bagder: then i'm doing something wrong again |
| 22:13:27 | preglow | Bagder: but yeah, whatever the man page says, that's not what it does. so unless invoking 'ld' or 'gcc' for the linker does the difference, then it's wrong |
| 22:14:01 | Bagder | I think there's a difference |
| 22:14:58 | preglow | Bagder: yes, and stuffing -shared in there as well makes it override everything |
| 22:15:08 | preglow | ok, then i'll see what extra g++ does and add that to an ld line |
| 22:15:11 | preglow | and hope that works |
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| 22:16:22 | preglow | hmm, wasn't there a way to make gcc output command lines for all the intermediate stages it does automatically? |
| 22:17:50 | preglow | -v... |
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| 22:24:13 | mirak | anyone knows Diablo ? |
| 22:24:31 | mirak | http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo/ |
| 22:26:02 | mirak | they claim it can give info about statically linked programm like show the depency call graph of functions |
| 22:26:03 | preglow | Bagder: well, what do you know, finally some luck. multiple -shared and -static on the same line didn't work well, even when not going through gcc, but shuffling all static libs last and using one -static worked out |
| 22:26:22 | preglow | Bagder: couldn't use ld, though, g++ requires you to use some gcc internal thing called collect2 |
| 22:26:32 | Bagder | ah g++ |
| 22:26:41 | * | Bagder never really uses C++ |
| 22:27:10 | pondlife | Regarding the new left-hand menus on the website... it would be better if the forum version lined up with the main one. ;-) |
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| 22:30:40 | * | preglow uses c++ for most things these days |
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| 22:32:25 | mirak | "Diablo is a retargetable link-time binary rewriting framework. While our focus has been mostly on program compaction, binary rewriting has a much broader range of applications: speed optimizations, power consumption optimizations, size optimizations, program obfuscation and watermarking, instrumentation, etc. |
| 22:32:26 | mirak | A good binary rewriting framework (one like Diablo :-)) is also very useful for program analysis and understanding. For instance, Diablo can print out the control flow graph for all functions in a program, annotated with for example liveness information." |
| 22:32:48 | mirak | doesn't that seem intersting ? |
| 22:33:23 | mirak | they seem to gain on average 20% of binary size http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo/?q=i386_regression arm seems the second supported target |
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| 22:34:29 | mirak | the draw back is that you need to patch the toolchain and that it seems pretty new |
| 22:35:24 | Bagder | tell us what you learned when you've tried it! ;-P |
| 22:38:21 | mirak | I am downloading the i386 prebuilt toolchain but that's big, 130 meg ... on paper that's exactly what I need to strip ffmpeg code. I have a code without mpeg4 and microsoft crap with only mpeg2 decoding stuff at least for x86. |
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| 23:23:55 | preglow | Bagder: you know how to make AC_CHECK_HEADER etc use g++ instead of gcc? |
| 23:25:39 | preglow | forget it, found out |
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| 23:28:31 | Tvattsvamp | :O |
| 23:28:37 | Tvattsvamp | anyone awake? |
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| 23:28:57 | ender` | no |
| 23:29:18 | Tvattsvamp | ow |
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| 23:32:23 | * | petur has a dev environment again :) |
| 23:33:00 | preglow | \o/ |
| 23:33:44 | petur | just build the m68k compiler, used the pre-build ones for arm and sh as I'm not using those builds on a target |
| 23:34:04 | petur | and enjoyed the slowness of cygwin |
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| 23:42:29 | Tvattsvamp | can you use rockbox and standard apple os at the same time? |
| 23:42:45 | petur | that's silly |
| 23:42:57 | Tvattsvamp | :< |
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| 23:42:59 | Tvattsvamp | no |
| 23:43:03 | Tvattsvamp | thats noobish |
| 23:43:14 | Tvattsvamp | and thats why im asking. |
| 23:43:15 | petur | you have them both installed and reboot to switch |
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| 23:43:40 | Tvattsvamp | well. thats what i meant |
| 23:43:51 | Tvattsvamp | as with ipod linux |
| 23:43:54 | petur | yes |
| 23:43:58 | Tvattsvamp | ok |
| 23:44:04 | petur | but it's not what you asked ;) |
| 23:44:47 | Tvattsvamp | i meant; can you have both apple os and rockbox installed at the same time |
| 23:44:49 | Tvattsvamp | :P |
| 23:44:58 | hcs | "on the same ipod" |
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| 23:45:03 | Tvattsvamp | btw, is it only me or is http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/downloads/Rockbox%20Installer%20X%20v1.zip down? |
| 23:45:06 | Tvattsvamp | whatever |
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| 23:50:45 | preglow | Tvattsvamp: yes you can |
| 23:51:08 | Tvattsvamp | ty :> |
| 23:51:37 | Tvattsvamp | I just found these ipod mods. so im kinda noob atm. |
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