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| 00:28:01 | hcs | I'm trying to build a new decoder, getting the error "section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM", does this mean I'm using too much memory? |
| 00:28:34 | amiconn | Yes, and it seems to be far too much |
| 00:28:39 | amiconn | check the .map file |
| 00:29:31 | hcs | yeah, I'll have to take out some buffers, thanks |
| 00:31:44 | hcs | mono it is |
| 00:32:01 | amiconn | "is not within" probably means the preceding sections are already so big that .bss ends up completely outside the plugin ram |
| 00:32:10 | hcs | it builds now |
| 00:32:14 | amiconn | Otherwise you would see a different message |
| 00:32:24 | hcs | I had a buffer that took up fully half of PLUGIN_RAM |
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| 00:45:31 | XavierGr | hcs: new decoder? |
| 00:45:46 | hcs | nsf, currently nonworking |
| 00:47:13 | XavierGr | nice |
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| 00:47:37 | XavierGr | and pagefault is working on spc |
| 00:47:41 | hcs | nicer if it worked... |
| 00:48:43 | Angry | Can anyone explain why even if change only one line of a file a diff produces a whole new file (- all ou + all in again) |
| 00:49:00 | Angry | help appreciated |
| 00:49:09 | Angry | ^^ |
| 00:49:11 | hcs | changed newlines, tabs to spaces? |
| 00:49:17 | Angry | no |
| 00:49:22 | hcs | did you editor? |
| 00:49:28 | hcs | *your |
| 00:49:43 | Angry | which one would you recommend... |
| 00:49:56 | Angry | eclipse |
| 00:50:05 | Angry | <−− right now |
| 00:50:09 | hcs | I don't know what eclipse might do |
| 00:50:13 | hcs | I just use vim |
| 00:50:23 | Angry | freeware?? |
| 00:50:29 | hcs | yeah |
| 00:50:57 | hcs | I use gedit when I need something what I can mouse around in |
| 00:52:05 | Angry | i gedit available for windows |
| 00:52:06 | Angry | ? |
| 00:52:10 | hcs | dunno |
| 00:52:43 | hcs | I am not actually giving helpful suggestions... |
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| 00:53:07 | Angry | No Gedit looks fine ^^ Will give that a try^^ THX |
| 00:53:21 | Angry | You did^^ |
| 00:54:06 | vr | gvim ? |
| 00:54:08 | vr | :) |
| 00:54:18 | hcs | if I want something mousable I don't want vim |
| 00:54:55 | vr | i use scite when i want something mousable |
| 00:56:01 | Angry | scite looks nice also |
| 00:56:56 | Angry | the code structuring functions look good... Thats my new try ^^ |
| 00:58:41 | hcs | if my codec is running too slow, should I still be hearing sound every once in a while? |
| 01:00 |
| 01:07:41 | hcs | I'd expect a little blip followed by several seconds of silence followed by another blip... the audio thread debug screen indicates it is generating something, but I don't hear it |
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| 01:26:51 | PierreTramo | hi |
| 01:29:41 | markun | From dapreview.net: "What's the big deal with X-Fi anyway? Creative claims it will restore the quality of your lossy MP3 files back to or better than the original lossless files." |
| 01:29:49 | markun | riiiight ;) |
| 01:30:00 | scorche | haha...what? |
| 01:30:42 | hcs | it's super-lossy compression, it loses the bad parts of the audio |
| 01:31:34 | * | scorche boggles at hcs |
| 01:31:43 | hcs | :) |
| 01:33:01 | * | scorche wonders why hcs felt the need to say that |
| 01:33:32 | * | hcs is frustrated and blithering at random on IRC |
| 01:33:51 | Soap_OutOfTown | hcs - so that's what happened to my Backstreet Boys collection? |
| 01:34:04 | hcs | sounds better now, doesn't it? |
| 01:34:31 | scorche | hcs: well, rockbox is an open-source replacement firmware for DAPs |
| 01:34:37 | scorche | just so you know ;) |
| 01:34:46 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I already reported that! :P |
| 01:34:55 | hcs | scorche: I'm missing something here |
| 01:34:55 | markun | Genre9mp3: ah sorry :) |
| 01:35:14 | JdGordon | hey scorche, can u test out a new recorder build? |
| 01:35:20 | scorche | i can |
| 01:35:24 | markun | The actual claim from creative.com is in fact: "Creative's Sound Blaster® X-Fi XtremeMusic™ brings the revolutionary new Xtreme Fidelity audio standard to the PC. With 24-bit Crystalizer it restores the sparkle lost during MP3/WMA compression..." |
| 01:35:39 | JdGordon | scorche: which target? |
| 01:35:39 | * | scorche boggles again |
| 01:35:45 | scorche | v1 |
| 01:36:46 | markun | doesn't sound to me like they claim it will be better than the original |
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| 01:37:21 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Here's another actual quote from Creative's press release: "...Xmod, a device based upon its X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity audio platform that improves music playback quality for MP3, WMA, iTunes or AAC songs to beyond the original CD quality" |
| 01:37:38 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.creative.com/press/releases/welcome.asp?pid=12620 |
| 01:37:44 | Genre9mp3 | first paragraph |
| 01:37:48 | scorche | i would love to see how exactly they manage to do that |
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| 01:38:15 | O11|bed | yo |
| 01:38:23 | Genre9mp3 | I think it sucks that they actually claim such things... |
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| 01:38:37 | O11 | just finished a benchtest.. |
| 01:38:45 | markun | scorche: the Gigabeat S has a feature which also 'restores' the high frequencies lost by MP3 compression. |
| 01:38:49 | O11 | can anyone help me understand it? |
| 01:38:54 | markun | It also cuts the battery time in half |
| 01:38:58 | O11 | why does the time start at just over 1 hour? |
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| 01:39:03 | scorche | markun: but how? |
| 01:39:14 | markun | scorche: by making them up? |
| 01:39:22 | scorche | hehe |
| 01:39:44 | markun | They call it 'harmonics'. Maybe that gives a clue of what they are doing |
| 01:39:49 | Genre9mp3 | They just enhance the sound...this has nothing to do with quality at all! |
| 01:40:08 | scorche | anything you cant do with an eq? |
| 01:40:16 | O11 | beep |
| 01:40:37 | Genre9mp3 | The trick word is " Psychoacoustics" |
| 01:40:57 | scorche | related to "Psychodevelopers"? |
| 01:41:25 | Genre9mp3 | You think that the music is more "lively" and "shiny"... but again nothing to do with the _quality_ |
| 01:41:54 | pixelma | 011: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1530008.4.1 (information explained - time) ;) |
| 01:43:13 | O11 | pixelma: thankyou! |
| 01:43:57 | pixelma | sorry about your nick... O11 :) |
| 01:49:14 | Sinbios | markun: they're probably just tricking your mind into thinking there's more detail by using an equalizer or something |
| 01:50:26 | preglow | no |
| 01:50:29 | preglow | they're creating harmonics |
| 01:50:40 | preglow | this is exactly what sbr does in mp3pro and aacplus |
| 01:50:44 | preglow | (he-aac) |
| 01:51:22 | Genre9mp3 | Btw.... does Rockbox support aacplus? |
| 01:51:35 | PierreTramo | it would be great to have an option that could be applied to a folder |
| 01:51:46 | PierreTramo | and which would enable counters of plays of each file |
| 01:52:03 | PierreTramo | and it could suggest a list of files never played |
| 01:52:09 | PierreTramo | (useful for my podcasts, in fact) |
| 01:52:19 | PierreTramo | (i'm using ipodder and rsync with my iriver) |
| 01:52:36 | preglow | Genre9mp3: no |
| 01:52:42 | O11 | pixelma: sorry about my nick? |
| 01:52:44 | preglow | Genre9mp3: i don't know if we have enough horsepower for it anyway |
| 01:52:56 | PierreTramo | do you think this could be possible/hard to code/interesting? |
| 01:52:57 | preglow | O11: she wrote it with a zero instead of an o |
| 01:53:25 | O11 | oh.. it's supposed to be with a zero.. irc just doesn't allow nicks beginning with numbers ;_; |
| 01:53:28 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Same for Mp3pro? (about horse power) - though mp3pro sucks IMO |
| 01:53:30 | preglow | heh |
| 01:54:09 | preglow | Genre9mp3: dunno, really, i think aac is slightly more cpu hungry in its basic configuration than mp3 is, plus, aacplus also includes parametric stereo which gives even more complexity |
| 01:54:10 | O11 | where's the runtime benchtest area on the rockbox website? |
| 01:54:19 | preglow | mp3pro is only mp3 + sbr |
| 01:54:43 | * | Genre9mp3 googles parametric stereo |
| 01:54:56 | O11 | is it in the wiki? |
| 01:55:00 | preglow | O11: yup |
| 01:55:40 | preglow | O11: depends on your player? |
| 01:55:42 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 01:55:43 | preglow | that's for ipod |
| 01:55:52 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime' |
| 01:55:54 | preglow | that's for iriver |
| 01:56:18 | preglow | we could probably use a bigger main page including stuff like this |
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| 01:58:56 | O11 | preglow: thanks |
| 01:59:04 | O11 | should I switch disk poweroff on? |
| 01:59:34 | preglow | O11: still don't know what player you have |
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| 02:00:02 | Genre9mp3 | According to the wikipedia article, just the parametric stereo technique makes 24kbps equal to 44kbps |
| 02:00:12 | Genre9mp3 | Sounds really promising.... |
| 02:00:23 | O11 | preglow: sorry.. iriver h320 |
| 02:00:30 | preglow | O11: then yes, definitely |
| 02:00:40 | Genre9mp3 | (but I don't know if actually _sounds_ that, too) |
| 02:00:43 | preglow | Genre9mp3: don't believe every figure you read like that |
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| 02:00:55 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: yes |
| 02:01:13 | O11 | do i have to get write persmission to be able to submit my benchtest results? |
| 02:01:20 | preglow | i don't really know how ps works either |
| 02:01:33 | preglow | O11: probably, i don't really know how the wiki works these days |
| 02:01:41 | scorche | O11: yes |
| 02:01:43 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_Stereo |
| 02:01:53 | preglow | Genre9mp3: yeah, but that doesn't really tell me how it works |
| 02:01:54 | O11 | it says I should introduce myself on irc =D |
| 02:01:57 | Genre9mp3 | At least it says the concept there |
| 02:02:12 | * | scorche tips his hat to O11 |
| 02:02:12 | O11 | can someone give me write permission? or do I need to make an account first.. |
| 02:02:17 | * | O11 makes an account |
| 02:02:22 | scorche | you need to regiuster of course |
| 02:02:25 | preglow | O11: heh, then you need to find someone that can give you write permission |
| 02:02:28 | preglow | i don't think i can |
| 02:02:43 | preglow | Genre9mp3: yeah, sure, but i want to know more :> |
| 02:02:45 | scorche | preglow: anyone with write permissions already can do it |
| 02:03:20 | scorche | preglow: just requires adding them to TWikiUsersGroup |
| 02:03:24 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: I'm sure you do! :) |
| 02:03:57 | preglow | scorche: oh |
| 02:04:08 | preglow | then i can do it :> |
| 02:04:17 | Genre9mp3 | really...what's the licensing on these techniques? |
| 02:04:43 | preglow | Genre9mp3: they're probably patented all of them |
| 02:04:44 | preglow | m |
| 02:05:08 | O11 | I'm JohannesCharman |
| 02:05:38 | Genre9mp3 | But are they open to public? (sorry for not knowin a lot about that) |
| 02:05:52 | preglow | looks like someone's already on it |
| 02:06:00 | scorche | O11: done |
| 02:06:08 | O11 | thanks! =) |
| 02:06:12 | preglow | Genre9mp3: depends what you mean, faad already can decode sbr, as far as i know, and we've got that in cvs |
| 02:06:29 | preglow | scorche: looks like a ton of the names in that page aren't registered anymore? |
| 02:07:01 | preglow | or do they just not have pages? |
| 02:07:04 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: So only the parametric stereo stuff is Rockbox missing from aac atm? |
| 02:07:08 | scorche | either way |
| 02:07:24 | scorche | but that is more of a Bagder/Zagor thing |
| 02:07:42 | preglow | Genre9mp3: looks like ps is there as well |
| 02:07:44 | markun | preglow: what's the difference between "Parametric Stereo" and joint-stereo? |
| 02:07:54 | preglow | markun: joint stereo still encodes two channels |
| 02:08:26 | O11 | err.. how do you edit? |
| 02:08:36 | scorche | O11: the "edit" link |
| 02:08:47 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Then why can't play aacplus? It just isn't realtime? |
| 02:09:02 | preglow | Genre9mp3: way, way too heavy |
| 02:09:09 | preglow | Genre9mp3: right now we can barely decode aac-lc realtime |
| 02:09:34 | * | O11 sees it hiding away at the bottom.. |
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| 02:11:19 | preglow | markun: well, looks like one form of joint stereo is a bit like ps |
| 02:12:03 | markun | yes, I'm reading the wikipedia page a bit |
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| 02:12:07 | markun | but time for bed now |
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| 02:13:31 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: According to this: http://senab.iddx.net/rockbox/results.html it's a bit worse than vorbis (well at least on high bitrate vorbis) |
| 02:13:37 | Genre9mp3 | Anyway...interesting things to know.. :) |
| 02:14:31 | preglow | sbr really is quite a bit of code |
| 02:15:26 | O11 | In the wiki what does it mean by repeats? |
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| 02:15:56 | scorche | O11: link? |
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| 02:16:26 | O11 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 02:17:04 | O11 | oh.. sorry.. i'm tired.. I get it.. |
| 02:17:09 | O11 | don't worry |
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| 02:17:12 | scorche | heh.. |
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| 02:18:26 | preglow | bed |
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| 02:19:26 | O11 | bed's good |
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| 02:28:28 | O11 | anyone know a good tag editor? |
| 02:30:04 | Genre9mp3 | O11: Mp3Tag and Godfather |
| 02:30:57 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ |
| 02:31:01 | Genre9mp3 | http://users.otenet.gr/~jtcliper/tgf/ |
| 02:32:12 | O11 | mp3tag.. that's the one I had before.. it's nice.. |
| 02:34:25 | O11 | argh.. is there an easy way of making all the tracks be 01, 02, 03.. rather than being odd things like 1/13 or 1, 2, 3 ? |
| 02:38:12 | O11 | goodnight |
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| 02:39:28 | ze | O11: in the filenames or in the tags? in the tags, i don't think they can be preceded by 0 and there's no need as stuff should sort by-track-num numerically... for filenames i dunno, if i get files named like 1 2 3 or such, |
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| 02:39:45 | ze | i'll do something like for f in ?-*;do mv "$f" "0$f";done |
| 02:39:45 | ze | heh |
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| 02:39:59 | ze | assuming that its 1-blah 2-blah etc style |
| 02:40:42 | O11 | argh.. i just realised.. |
| 02:40:54 | O11 | you don't want zeros do you.. |
| 02:41:12 | O11 | i knew it was either you want them or you don't want them =) |
| 02:41:23 | * | O11 takes them off again |
| 02:41:26 | ze | it doesn't matter for tags |
| 02:41:31 | O11 | anyway.. night all |
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| 02:41:36 | ze | for filenames its desirable so 1 doesn't get sorted next to 10 |
| 02:41:36 | * | scorche adds the zeros, but it doesnt really matter |
| 02:42:13 | ze | scorche: in tags? |
| 02:42:23 | ze | i've never seen preceding 0s actually show up in tags |
| 02:42:56 | ze | if i'll auto-tag with a script from filenames that contain them, meaning the commandline inadvertantly explicitly specifies 01 etc, the tags'll still always be without them |
| 02:43:22 | scorche | like i said...it doesnt really matter, but i do it anyway |
| 02:43:41 | ze | since afaict track number tags are treated as a number, not a character sequence |
| 02:44:28 | ze | scorche: and do you have it show up when you look at the tags later? |
| 02:45:19 | scorche | depends how i look at the tag |
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| 02:45:28 | ze | i suppose its a matter of how a program displays it |
| 02:45:31 | scorche | in windows, no...in winamp, yes |
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| 02:45:50 | ze | winamp probably does 0-padding |
| 02:45:58 | ze | in the display |
| 02:46:07 | scorche | nope...some have it and some dont |
| 02:46:19 | ze | really? |
| 02:46:21 | ze | strange |
| 02:46:22 | scorche | depending on how i tagged it |
| 02:46:32 | ze | how do you tell an int to have a prepended 0 :p |
| 02:47:05 | ze | or a char or short or whatever it is |
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| 02:48:13 | hcs | printf("%02d",blah); |
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| 02:48:46 | ze | hcs: exactly, zero-padding in the display, but hows that care how it was tagged? |
| 02:49:07 | hcs | I don't know, just being useless |
| 02:49:15 | ze | heh |
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| 02:59:29 | hcs | ok, nsf player working at half speed, or so |
| 02:59:40 | hcs | the problem before involved careless use of "char" |
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| 03:22:49 | Soap_OutOfTown | O11 needs to fix his wiki entry |
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| 03:25:08 | Soap_OutOfTown | ok, that's better |
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| 04:07:22 | jhMikeS | Is anything defined anywhere saying how long it takes a player's drive to spin up for writing? |
| 04:21:30 | pagefault | what player |
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| 04:27:05 | jhMikeS | a defined for all players that can be used to spin the drive in advance of writing |
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| 04:40:56 | Burn | hey does anyone know how to play music on my ipod 5g? |
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| 04:42:10 | Soap_OutOfTown | I'm guessing many/most here do, what is your question in more detail? |
| 04:42:39 | dimatrod | how can i set my friends' H10 to usb mode? |
| 04:42:45 | dimatrod | like to be able to transfer stuff |
| 04:43:22 | dimatrod | as simple as it seems i simply don't know how to do it |
| 04:44:08 | dimatrod | hello anyone? |
| 04:45:11 | Soap_OutOfTown | dimatrod: I don't have a h10, but is this question about rockbox or the H10 hardware? |
| 04:45:19 | dimatrod | rockbox |
| 04:45:31 | dimatrod | just got it on and don't know how to set it on usb mode hehehe |
| 04:46:02 | Burn | hey i add my music using itunes and when i go into rockbox and play it all the music are in albums and all in code |
| 04:46:20 | Soap_OutOfTown | Burn: read the manual about TagCache |
| 04:46:40 | Soap_OutOfTown | itunes scrambles file names and uses its own database to display files by their tags. |
| 04:47:35 | dimatrod | so nobody here knows my issue? |
| 04:47:37 | Soap_OutOfTown | rockbox can not read this database directly, but has its own tag database, called tagcache. You need to enable it, build the database, reboot, and change your file view from filetree to tagcache, then you can use the same files itunes does. |
| 04:47:48 | dimatrod | well not quite issue but way of going to usb mode? |
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| 04:49:16 | Soap_OutOfTown | dimatrod: I don't have an h10 |
| 04:49:23 | dimatrod | oh |
| 04:49:40 | dimatrod | i can't seem to find a way to do this in the manuals also.. |
| 04:49:47 | Burn | Soap_OutOfTown: ok thanks but how do i add tagcache? |
| 04:50:33 | dimatrod | oh i got it going |
| 04:50:46 | Soap_OutOfTown | Burn: there is an excellent manual for rockbox. |
| 04:50:53 | dimatrod | had to press the circle button as i turn the player on to get to usb mode |
| 04:50:59 | Soap_OutOfTown | I don't have time to walk you through all the steps. |
| 04:51:20 | Burn | could you tell me the site of the manual? |
| 04:51:37 | dimatrod | on the daily builds site |
| 04:51:47 | dimatrod | under your player, there's a Manual link |
| 04:51:50 | dimatrod | it's in PDF |
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| 04:51:58 | dimatrod | alternatively, i do have time to tell you |
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| 04:52:40 | Burn | lolz ok thans :D |
| 04:53:52 | Burn | also i got another question: what are the differences between daily builds, cvs builds and releases? i dont get what they all are for |
| 04:54:28 | Soap_OutOfTown | there are no releases for the ipod |
| 04:54:40 | dimatrod | cvs is the latest build |
| 04:54:43 | Soap_OutOfTown | daily builds qet built automaticly every day. |
| 04:54:51 | dimatrod | like it has the latest comisions to the build |
| 04:54:55 | dimatrod | it may contain more bugs |
| 04:55:09 | Soap_OutOfTown | cvs builds get built multiple times a day - everytime someone commits a change - no matter how little or big. |
| 04:55:10 | dimatrod | dailies are just more stable, though don't have the day's newest features |
| 04:55:24 | dimatrod | hehe you're reading it twice here |
| 04:55:28 | dimatrod | but he got it more right |
| 04:55:30 | Soap_OutOfTown | there is no reason a daily would be more stable. |
| 04:55:52 | Soap_OutOfTown | they are nothing more than a CVS build at the end of the day. |
| 04:58:23 | Burn | ok so they're both quite the same right? |
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| 05:00:43 | Burn | so... wheres the tag cache menu? |
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| 05:02:56 | dimatrod | ok |
| 05:03:01 | dimatrod | go to general settings |
| 05:03:13 | dimatrod | file view |
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| 05:03:19 | dimatrod | Tag Cache |
| 05:03:24 | dimatrod | Initialize Now |
| 05:03:27 | dimatrod | then go back one menu |
| 05:03:36 | dimatrod | go to Show Files |
| 05:03:37 | hcs | and wait... |
| 05:03:39 | dimatrod | TagCache |
| 05:03:54 | dimatrod | yeah the tag database won't show inmediately |
| 05:04:09 | dimatrod | on the top right corner of the display a little disc will appear |
| 05:04:15 | dimatrod | this is the TagCache database being made |
| 05:04:47 | dimatrod | wait until it has finished updating, turn the player off, then back on, it'll commit the TagCache database, and you've got beautiful ipod-like interface for music!!! |
| 05:05:07 | Burn | man.. thanks! |
| 05:05:50 | dimatrod | no prob |
| 05:06:42 | dimatrod | you might also want to set Directory Cache on |
| 05:06:51 | dimatrod | so loading folders won't take ages |
| 05:07:26 | dimatrod | for this go to the "main menu", then to General Settings->System->Disk->Directory Cache->On |
| 05:07:31 | dimatrod | you'll also have to reboot for that |
| 05:08:19 | Burn | man your a champion! you make my life alot easier :D |
| 05:08:53 | dimatrod | haha |
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| 05:09:58 | Burn | hey do i view music by going iPod_control->Music? |
| 05:10:48 | dimatrod | if you've got tag cache on, that shouldn't be that way |
| 05:10:57 | dimatrod | but i guess |
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| 05:11:05 | dimatrod | ok, go to the playback screen |
| 05:11:26 | dimatrod | (i don't have an iPod so i'm basically going to say this by what I assume should be) |
| 05:11:38 | dimatrod | hold the Menu botton |
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| 05:11:56 | dimatrod | err some way change Show Files to tag cache |
| 05:12:02 | hcs | hold the play button |
| 05:12:07 | hcs | to bring up the quick menu |
| 05:12:17 | hcs | er, shit, no, you're right |
| 05:12:19 | hcs | play |
| 05:12:46 | dimatrod | better listen to him, i'm just talking out of my ass in what controls is based on |
| 05:13:14 | dimatrod | i've grown used to my X5's controls and getting to use my friend's H10 was a hassle alone |
| 05:13:47 | hcs | crap, I meant 'you're right, menu' |
| 05:13:59 | hcs | holding down play is stop on ipods |
| 05:14:13 | dimatrod | oh ok |
| 05:14:15 | Burn | lol |
| 05:14:25 | Burn | this is pretty confusing |
| 05:14:31 | dimatrod | it must be |
| 05:14:38 | hcs | too much code... can't think in english anymore |
| 05:14:47 | dimatrod | haha |
| 05:15:18 | Burn | theres no show files->tagcache |
| 05:15:30 | dimatrod | hmm |
| 05:15:45 | hcs | it says "ID3 database" |
| 05:15:56 | dimatrod | it must be on the bottom |
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| 05:16:13 | Burn | oh that one |
| 05:16:30 | Burn | now where do i go to play my music? |
| 05:16:31 | dimatrod | the screen where there's something on the right, left, and bottom |
| 05:16:59 | dimatrod | man, i'm sorry, but everything related to controls on the ipod for rockbox, i know nothing about |
| 05:16:59 | Burn | yep in there |
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| 05:17:05 | dimatrod | oh ok |
| 05:17:07 | Burn | nah i understand u |
| 05:17:26 | dimatrod | yeah, try viewing the manual |
| 05:17:33 | dimatrod | at least the controls part |
| 05:18:38 | Burn | yep working thanks! |
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| 05:18:53 | dimatrod | awesome, you're welcomed |
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| 05:26:19 | dimatrod | anybody knows of any plans of the rockbox team to include picture view in the id3 database? |
| 05:26:37 | dimatrod | like have a folder that allows you to see the pictures the player has? |
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| 06:36:05 | hcs | does profiling work on ipods? |
| 06:37:07 | webguest29 | Does anyone know where the FAQ went on the rockbox website? |
| 06:37:49 | JdGordon | the wiki |
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| 07:27:37 | godzirra | So out of curiousity, can you use rockbox -and- itunes with an ipod? |
| 07:27:49 | godzirra | there's a couple features I like in itunes (Mostly all about playlist support) |
| 07:28:36 | JdGordon | you know orkcbox's playlist features are much better than itunes right? |
| 07:28:39 | JdGordon | but, yes, you cn |
| 07:29:28 | scorche | what features exactly? |
| 07:29:30 | godzirra | orkcbox? |
| 07:29:35 | scorche | rockbox |
| 07:29:40 | godzirra | oh heh |
| 07:29:46 | godzirra | scorche: Mostly the dynamic playlists. |
| 07:29:53 | godzirra | "Generate a playlist with 500 songs that I've never rated" etc. |
| 07:30:08 | godzirra | and it automagically updates that playlist next time you sync if you rate your songs on the ipod. |
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| 07:34:53 | Burn | hey can somebody tell me how do i get my CVS build onto my ipod? jus copy and paste? |
| 07:35:19 | JdGordon | yes |
| 07:35:53 | godzirra | JdGordon: So can rockbox do that? And how? And why is rockbox's playlist features much better? |
| 07:36:00 | godzirra | Not arguing that it isn't, I'm just not clueful. |
| 07:36:10 | godzirra | I've always used rockbox on my H-120 but never r eally played around with the playlist functions. |
| 07:36:39 | JdGordon | well.. no, i dont tihnk rockbox can do that... but thats not something i would rate very highly as a good playlist function :p |
| 07:36:44 | Burn | its got more functions for searching your songs if you have a big archive |
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| 07:37:31 | godzirra | JdGordon: It was a function I enjoyed. *shrugs* |
| 07:37:56 | godzirra | I've wanted to play with tag cache but for some reason it didnt work well on my iriver. |
| 07:38:37 | JdGordon | anyway, to actually answer your first q. if u put your music on using itunes, and use tagcache then yes u can use both |
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| 07:39:35 | godzirra | So I flash my ipod. Then put on all the music using itunes... then use tagcache.... |
| 07:39:49 | godzirra | But then I can't drag and drop my music, right? Because it will be in the weird itunes naming convention? |
| 07:40:07 | JdGordon | yes |
| 07:40:32 | godzirra | Hrm. |
| 07:40:47 | godzirra | No way to get the music over there via drag and drop and then do something that itunes will recognize? |
| 07:40:55 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:41:05 | godzirra | I know foopod in foobar 2000 had something, but apparently it stopped working with a newer version of... something. Rockbox, itunes, not sure which |
| 07:41:08 | JdGordon | maybe another program can be used to make the db |
| 07:41:35 | hcs | I have a little program that generates a tagcache db from iTunesDB, sort of the opposite of what you want... |
| 07:42:13 | godzirra | heh.. story of my life. |
| 07:42:29 | JdGordon | FARK!!!!!! |
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| 07:43:53 | burn | does anyone know where i can find pacman games for my rockbox? |
| 07:43:55 | JdGordon | i think i might actually kill my computer or my h300... i cant figure out this stupid bug :'( |
| 07:44:07 | JdGordon | burn: you have 3 chioces :p |
| 07:44:14 | JdGordon | the actual pacman emulator (wiki) |
| 07:44:16 | burn | ok |
| 07:44:25 | JdGordon | get a rockboy pacman rom |
| 07:44:32 | JdGordon | or get a zx spectrum rom |
| 07:44:45 | burn | rockboy doesnt work for me |
| 07:44:50 | burn | the controls are stuffed |
| 07:45:38 | burn | where is the pacman emulator? |
| 07:45:45 | JdGordon | wiki |
| 07:45:51 | burn | yea? |
| 07:45:57 | JdGordon | yeah! |
| 07:46:07 | burn | can u be mroe exact? |
| 07:46:14 | burn | lol i cant find it |
| 07:46:24 | dj-fu | -_- |
| 07:46:27 | JdGordon | um.. the plugin list page should point to it |
| 07:46:31 | JdGordon | name pacbox |
| 07:46:48 | burn | ya im on that page |
| 07:46:53 | burn | no downloads for emu |
| 07:47:19 | JdGordon | the emu is part of rockbox.zip... u need to download the roms from google |
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| 07:47:44 | burn | ok could you gimme a site? |
| 07:47:53 | JdGordon | google.com |
| 07:48:33 | burn | lol |
| 07:49:20 | godzirra | roms are technically illegal. Go search if you wanmt them. |
| 07:49:32 | dj-fu | only if you don't own the game |
| 07:49:59 | hcs | dj-fu: not necessarily, in the US at least |
| 07:50:00 | burn | lol |
| 07:50:08 | godzirra | touche |
| 07:50:12 | dj-fu | meh |
| 07:50:20 | dj-fu | everything is illegal in the us |
| 07:50:26 | burn | course they're illegal, but everyone does illegal stuff |
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| 07:50:36 | dj-fu | that doesn't mean we promote it here, burn |
| 07:50:49 | burn | i download roms all the time,and music |
| 07:50:54 | dj-fu | that's nice |
| 07:50:58 | dj-fu | I hope you burn in hell for piracy |
| 07:51:01 | scorche | enough of the illegal talk please |
| 07:51:12 | burn | ya |
| 07:51:19 | burn | case closed |
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| 08:10:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Spinup time can't be a fixed definition. It depends on a lot of factors |
| 08:12:26 | mordov | ooo I saw the new iRiver s10 tody. looks realy neat and sexy :) will you guys port rockbox to it ? I might have to buy one |
| 08:12:36 | amiconn | You can just use an average value estimated from previous spinups and add some safety margin, and use a worst-case time if there are no previous spinups available for estimation |
| 08:13:17 | amiconn | The hwcodec playback code does that (unlike the swcodec playback code btw, which still uses a silly logic!) |
| 08:13:31 | Bagder | mordov: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 08:14:27 | amiconn | jhMikeS: There can _never_ be a guarantee that you can write in time (on HDD based targets), even if you would keep the drive spinning |
| 08:16:51 | amiconn | hcs: Profiling should work on ipods, but the script for processing the log data doesn't work for arm afaik. Probably because of the sectioned compilation we're doing for arm targets. |
| 08:16:54 | mordov | dentify the components |
| 08:16:55 | mordov | Using your scans, contact your electronic savvy friends and use search engines to track down what every chip on the PCB is. I might be one of the savvages ;) so I don't thinl the rest aply to me :) |
| 08:17:13 | hcs | amiconn: couldn't fit it in ram with profiling data anyway |
| 08:17:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: approximate is good though...I figure 2-3 seconds is safe? |
| 08:17:36 | amiconn | Not on iriver and x5. |
| 08:17:55 | jhMikeS | It takes a couple to wind up on x5 |
| 08:17:55 | amiconn | These 1.8" disks have really long spinup times for some reason |
| 08:18:00 | JdGordon | hey guys, i've got a problem.... for some reason the menu recodig patch keeps the cpu boosted and the codec buffer doesnt get anywhere near full... I have commented out all my cpu intensive code (which doesnt touch the boost) and i doesnt fix anything. can anyone suggest how to try figuring out whats causing it? |
| 08:18:18 | amiconn | The spinup times measurements are shown in the debug menu |
| 08:18:19 | jhMikeS | I need to compensate for it somewhat esp. at high datarates |
| 08:18:54 | amiconn | Slightly more than 3s afair |
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| 08:20:16 | jhMikeS | So for any particular player/HD you can't know it in advance? |
| 08:20:30 | amiconn | no |
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| 08:21:15 | jhMikeS | So you're saying that a particular player...even x5 to x5 is going to vary so much I can't even have a good rule of thumb for it? |
| 08:21:37 | amiconn | The device can be shaking, effectively preventing the harddisk from doing any access - for minutes... |
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| 08:22:07 | Bagder | and the same device can have different hd models that vary |
| 08:22:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: we'll I'm not talking about that sort of thing but if you're just leaving in on the table and recording something, not jogging. |
| 08:22:57 | amiconn | You can use a rule of thumb if you add enough safety margin - but you can never be 100% sure the disk will be ready in time |
| 08:23:22 | amiconn | For recording I would probably use 10 seconds or more on swcodec targets with enough ram |
| 08:23:39 | jhMikeS | It will be closer to ready...if you're beating on it that much then flush will fail anyway. |
| 08:24:08 | jhMikeS | You're saying 10 seconds for it sitting on the table? I know my x5 is about 3 just sitting there (60gb) |
| 08:24:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:24:46 | amiconn | The measured spinup time is a bit above 3 seconds, that's correct |
| 08:25:15 | jhMikeS | To just power up the drive use ide_power_enable and that will start it? |
| 08:25:31 | amiconn | That's the value I observbed on all my 1.8" targets (H140, H340 and X5 20GB) |
| 08:25:44 | amiconn | nope |
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| 08:26:02 | amiconn | The disk will spin up if it's accessed |
| 08:26:03 | jhMikeS | What do you have to do just to have it spinning then? |
| 08:26:56 | jhMikeS | What sort of access won't change the file pointer, won't be delayed through the cache etc? |
| 08:27:03 | amiconn | why? |
| 08:27:20 | jhMikeS | To spin it in advance of writing. |
| 08:27:40 | amiconn | Just start you flush operation the appropriate number of seconds before you actually run out of buffer |
| 08:28:21 | amiconn | You cannot just tell the ata code to spin up the disk without accessing it, and it wouldn't make sense to implement that |
| 08:28:22 | jhMikeS | I though about that but don't know really if I want to |
| 08:29:34 | amiconn | It's how all other buffering systems do it (hwcodec playback in the core, swcodec playback, hwcodec wavplay plugin, and hwcodec recording) |
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| 08:30:39 | amiconn | hwcodec playback uses the measured values for dynamic adjustment of the low watermark, all others use fixed (or user-adjustable) watermarks |
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| 08:32:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's always measure for us? |
| 08:33:22 | jhMikeS | Well, that would be a sensible way to adjust anyway. |
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| 08:38:17 | jhMikeS | ok which hwcodec file does what you're talking about? |
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| 08:38:38 | amiconn | mpeg.c (the hwcodec playback engine) |
| 08:39:07 | amiconn | mpeg.c contains both the playback and recording engine |
| 08:39:23 | amiconn | Only playback uses measured value + safety margin |
| 08:41:02 | Vyle | Is the iPod Nano install manual on rockbox.org the most up-to-date install instructions? It mentions it might be out of date and to check the wiki, but i couldn't find anything on the wiki about it |
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| 08:44:39 | jhMikeS | ok it's ata_spinup_time |
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| 08:49:52 | jhMikeS | I see it's updated whenever spinup is needed during a transfer |
| 08:50:46 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:51:33 | amiconn | It can be zero if no spinup happened before (seen by the driver code) |
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| 08:59:21 | jhMikeS | suppose I should limit if it's ridiculously long (1 min) since you say that can occur |
| 08:59:34 | jhMikeS | *for example 1min rather |
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| 09:05:07 | arnold | anyone can answer a question about ipod and itrip ? |
| 09:05:38 | hcs | I own both, what's the question? |
| 09:06:00 | arnold | i have a 4 gen ipod and the itrip |
| 09:06:04 | arnold | is it working with rockbox ? |
| 09:06:32 | scorche | there is no current support for itrips |
| 09:06:51 | hcs | the old style itrips worked fine with rockbox... |
| 09:07:11 | hcs | where you have to program them with beeps from the ipod |
| 09:07:21 | scorche | which old ones? |
| 09:07:33 | arnold | ok i think i have such an itrip |
| 09:07:41 | hcs | I don't know model numbers or anything, I just know I have one, and it works fine |
| 09:07:42 | arnold | its a white one where i have to play an mp3 file |
| 09:07:48 | arnold | for the frequency |
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| 09:07:49 | hcs | the cylindrical thing with a single red led |
| 09:07:50 | hcs | yeah |
| 09:07:56 | scorche | afaik, they only worded if they got a power supply from the ipod |
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| 09:08:04 | arnold | ok |
| 09:08:04 | scorche | they had to be modified with a battery or something |
| 09:08:07 | arnold | thx for the help |
| 09:08:13 | arnold | will try to setup rockbox now |
| 09:08:21 | hcs | scorche: I've used mine without any modification |
| 09:09:04 | scorche | hrm...i have heard the opposite.. |
| 09:09:05 | jhMikeS | man, high samplrate recording on WavPack will need an emergency priority boost as well. |
| 09:09:06 | * | scorche shrugs |
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| 09:18:35 | hcs | NSF player patch now up. |
| 09:18:50 | hcs | needs a lot of work, so get to it |
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| 09:22:51 | LinusN | hcs: cool |
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| 09:27:08 | hcs | and now I will sleep to Kirby's Adventure |
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| 09:46:21 | markun | LinusN: I'm adding support for playlist recoding. Should I add support for UTF-16 encoded playlists as well? |
| 09:47:14 | LinusN | markun: what exactly is the problem with the playlist encoding? |
| 09:47:36 | LinusN | shouldn't it work if i set the correct code page? |
| 09:47:43 | markun | LinusN: m3u files are normally saved in the windows codepage |
| 09:47:52 | markun | Yes, then it will work |
| 09:48:24 | markun | I will change rockbox to save to m3u8, so some people might have to rename their playlists if this ever gets committed. |
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| 09:59:19 | bluebrother | markun, how to detect utf-16? |
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| 10:00:37 | markun | bluebrother: I don't. I now use the iso_recode function, which has no support for UTF-16 |
| 10:01:14 | markun | iso_decode.. |
| 10:01:54 | bluebrother | markun, I was thinking about a different way to open text files that may contain a utf8 bom. |
| 10:02:42 | bluebrother | instead of checking for the bom in every place (fm presets, cfg files, etc) use a open_utf8 function that works like open but points the fd to the first text byte |
| 10:03:09 | bluebrother | is this a useful way? |
| 10:04:23 | markun | Yes, I would think so. |
| 10:04:44 | bluebrother | nice. Then I'll look into making a patch for this the next days. |
| 10:05:06 | bluebrother | as I finally have time again :) |
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| 10:28:48 | bluebrother | LinusN, I just resynced the fm region patch (FS #5929) and would like to get it into cvs (if there are no objections) |
| 10:29:02 | LinusN | lemme check |
| 10:29:09 | bluebrother | should I ask someone for commiting or is it ok if I work on that myself? |
| 10:29:16 | bluebrother | haven't uploaded to FS yet, second. |
| 10:30:27 | bluebrother | damn, browser crashed. |
| 10:31:55 | bluebrother | LinusN, posted. I tried building for h120, x5 and ondio fm |
| 10:32:23 | LinusN | sim too? |
| 10:33:08 | bluebrother | no, only target |
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| 10:33:24 | bluebrother | but there weren't much changes −− just the configuration values weren't at the end anymore |
| 10:33:49 | * | bluebrother builds sim h120 |
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| 10:36:16 | * | bluebrother considers the h120 sim working fine |
| 10:36:32 | LinusN | bluebrother: i like it |
| 10:36:42 | bluebrother | :) |
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| 10:37:01 | LinusN | commnit it when you feel ready |
| 10:37:06 | LinusN | commit even |
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| 10:37:13 | bluebrother | great, will do. |
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| 10:49:16 | amiconn | LinusN: Does FM regions work on the archos fmr? I have no idea whether the samsung tuner (driver?) will handle it... |
| 10:49:44 | LinusN | the samsung tuner can't set the deemphasis |
| 10:49:58 | LinusN | but it should silently ignore it |
| 10:50:27 | amiconn | Does it handle the different frequency range? |
| 10:51:25 | LinusN | it should, but i guess i'll have to test it |
| 10:51:36 | LinusN | i wonder how... |
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| 10:55:09 | barrywardell | thanks for fixing that up Bagder |
| 10:55:15 | Bagder | np |
| 10:55:55 | barrywardell | does the directory structure for the ipod target look ok for committing? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 |
| 10:55:58 | LinusN | btw, have we seen any cvs build hangs since i fixed the build script? |
| 10:56:07 | Bagder | LinusN: nopes |
| 10:56:09 | * | barrywardell is afraid of cvs and directories |
| 10:56:16 | LinusN | Bagder: kewl |
| 10:56:28 | Bagder | yeps, cool indeed |
| 10:56:53 | LinusN | this bug fascinates me: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6068 |
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| 11:07:18 | JdGordon | where is the code for the main thread loop? |
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| 11:08:16 | LinusN | JdGordon: everywhere |
| 11:08:47 | LinusN | each screen and menu contains a loop |
| 11:08:51 | JdGordon | _something_ is causing the main thread to stay active and starve the codec thread, and i have no idea what, or even wehere to start looking :'( |
| 11:09:10 | LinusN | JdGordon: are you sure it's the main thread? |
| 11:09:31 | JdGordon | no, but thats the thread that stays with the * in the stacks debug screen |
| 11:09:58 | LinusN | maybe a button_get_w_tmo() that has a too short timeout? |
| 11:10:37 | LinusN | does the ui hang? |
| 11:11:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: what does the * mean? |
| 11:11:26 | JdGordon | I havnt added any button loops, and no, the ui feels fine, but the codec buffers stay very low |
| 11:11:36 | JdGordon | doesnt the * mean that thread is running? |
| 11:11:54 | LinusN | well, when the stacks are displayed, the main thread is always running |
| 11:12:25 | LinusN | since it is the main thread that does the drawing |
| 11:12:27 | JdGordon | yes, I know, but the * does move between threads on that screen |
| 11:12:48 | JdGordon | well.. it usually does, but with the oatched build it doesnt, unless playback has stopped |
| 11:13:21 | LinusN | coule it be the scroll thread? |
| 11:13:26 | LinusN | could even |
| 11:14:42 | JdGordon | i dont think so, there is no scrolling on the screen and the debug screen says scroll is sleeping |
| 11:16:55 | amiconn | The * means ready or running iirc |
| 11:17:13 | amiconn | main is always running when displaying the list, of course |
| 11:18:01 | LinusN | JdGordon: iirc, there is a short-latency mode in the dsp code, so the user can hear the eq changes in the eq screen |
| 11:18:10 | LinusN | maybe that is still active? |
| 11:18:57 | LinusN | i don't even know if that makes a difference... |
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| 11:19:26 | JdGordon | :'( i have no idea... all i know is that pcmbuf and playback are not unboosting, and its not even buffereing very much of the track.. and my ~200kb patch is causing it but i have no idea why |
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| 11:20:37 | JdGordon | pondlife: i used your boost tracing patch, and ive found the 2 calls that dont get unboosted, but that doesnt help me unfortunalty :'( |
| 11:21:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: What did you patch? If it's your track-the-dirs-for-dir-shuffle thing, I'd suspect that... |
| 11:21:21 | JdGordon | nope, the menu/settings recode |
| 11:21:24 | pondlife | JdGordon: which calls? |
| 11:21:36 | pondlife | New ones or old ones |
| 11:21:43 | JdGordon | old |
| 11:21:50 | JdGordon | pcmbuf.c and playback.c |
| 11:22:02 | pondlife | Both?! |
| 11:22:28 | pondlife | pcmbuf should be pretty good at unboosting now, it auto unboosts when there's nothing left to play |
| 11:22:33 | JdGordon | 90% of the time... sometimes only pcmbuf.c stays boosted |
| 11:22:49 | pondlife | Hmm, I assume you're on the latest version |
| 11:22:51 | JdGordon | when playback stops it goes back to normal.. |
| 11:22:54 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:23:01 | JdGordon | and my patch doesnt go near there |
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| 11:23:18 | LinusN | JdGordon: but your patch does mess with the limits settings? |
| 11:23:38 | LinusN | maybe the mp3 buffer is ridiculously small? |
| 11:23:56 | JdGordon | hmm.... could be |
| 11:23:58 | JdGordon | checking |
| 11:24:00 | pondlife | Put some logfs in on the boosts and see why it's doing it? |
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| 11:24:41 | pondlife | Did you like the boost tracker by the way? I find it fun to watch... but then I have no hobbies |
| 11:25:02 | JdGordon | LinusN: the audio thread debug screen shows the buffer is about 27mb tho, or does it always show that much even with a small limit? |
| 11:25:13 | JdGordon | pondlife: haha, ye, its useful |
| 11:25:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: it shows the actual size of the audio buffer |
| 11:25:35 | pondlife | I may commit it. It doesn't get enabled on Archos anyway, so hopefully no memory worries |
| 11:25:48 | LinusN | pondlife: do so |
| 11:26:17 | pondlife | I would have already but for the fear of amiconn and his anti-bloat stick |
| 11:27:03 | pondlife | lostlogic: around? |
| 11:27:10 | JdGordon | LinusN: the only limits settings are max files in dir and max playlist size. or is there other non-user ones? |
| 11:27:14 | pondlife | Or any playback-types...? |
| 11:27:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: well, the dir cache and the tag cache |
| 11:27:51 | LinusN | but they are included in the buffer size calculation |
| 11:28:15 | pondlife | I have reproduced a case where unneeded rebuffering occurs and believe I have a fix. |
| 11:28:15 | amiconn | pondlife: What boost tracker? You can track the # of cpu_boost calls in the debug menu anyway... |
| 11:28:31 | pondlife | Yes, but my patch shows where the boosts are coming from too. |
| 11:28:38 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but not who boosted it |
| 11:29:22 | pondlife | I'll commit it, once I've disentangled it from my current playback work |
| 11:29:25 | JdGordon | LinusN: you think dircache_size is being set too big? |
| 11:29:33 | LinusN | JdGordon: no |
| 11:29:55 | pondlife | JdGordon: best just to put some logfs in and work out why pcmbuf is unhappy enough to boost. |
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| 11:30:13 | LinusN | the audio debug thread shows the actual size of the audio buffer |
| 11:30:51 | LinusN | JdGordon: is the audio buffer near empry too? |
| 11:30:56 | LinusN | empty even |
| 11:31:41 | LinusN | could it be that your ata callback messes up the loading of the tracks? |
| 11:31:48 | JdGordon | pcm buffer stays between 60k-100k, codedc stays very low, it fills up to about 300kb |
| 11:31:54 | JdGordon | i didsblaed that |
| 11:32:07 | LinusN | ok, what is the ata idle timeout? |
| 11:32:07 | JdGordon | disabled even |
| 11:32:38 | JdGordon | 5s |
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| 11:33:09 | LinusN | logf should tell you why it stops loading the track |
| 11:34:19 | JdGordon | grrr.... i tihnk you just hinted to it... |
| 11:34:33 | JdGordon | bloody anti-skip buffer setting |
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| 11:35:31 | JdGordon | it was set to 5s... maybe thats the problem |
| 11:35:45 | JdGordon | what is the point of that setting anyway? shouldnt it always buffer untill its full? |
| 11:36:18 | Bagder | the question is when it should start filling the buffer again |
| 11:37:38 | LinusN | anti-skip=5s shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:39:21 | JdGordon | changing it to 60s doesnt seem to have done anything |
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| 11:41:31 | JdGordon | no, i lie, (i was at the end of the folder)... it buffers up to about 400k now, but still stays boosted and pcm buffer stays really low |
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| 11:44:43 | LinusN | 400k? it should be 27 megs |
| 11:45:07 | JdGordon | it goes up to 400k, the total is about 27mb tho |
| 11:45:25 | LinusN | no i am confused |
| 11:45:27 | LinusN | now |
| 11:45:34 | LinusN | does it buffer 400k or not? |
| 11:45:36 | JdGordon | logf currently says "pcm_starting, buffer margin: 60s, buf len:3" if that means anything |
| 11:45:53 | JdGordon | it goes to ~ 400000 / 27000000 |
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| 11:47:33 | JdGordon | scratch that.. its hovering around 140000 / 26100000 |
| 11:48:30 | JdGordon | logf syas "partiallybuf: 1131072B" "buf: 104B"...? |
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| 11:49:36 | JdGordon | new aproach time.... how do i checkout cvs from a certain date? i want to try patching the old source with the early versions of the patch and see if the problem is there also |
| 11:49:47 | safetydan | cvs update -D 2006-12-06 I think |
| 11:50:01 | safetydan | change the date obviously |
| 11:50:21 | JdGordon | do i need to do a regular checkout first? |
| 11:50:35 | safetydan | that probably works for checkout as well |
| 11:51:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: how are your crossfade settings? |
| 11:51:31 | JdGordon | LinusN: crossfade is off |
| 11:52:02 | pondlife | JdGordon: What audio format? |
| 11:52:02 | LinusN | the value after "buf:" is the pcm buffer size |
| 11:52:27 | JdGordon | pondlife: mp3, but was happening with ogg also |
| 11:53:23 | LinusN | how big is the file? |
| 11:54:08 | JdGordon | 7mb |
| 11:54:26 | JdGordon | but this isnt a track problem... aliask pointed out the bug and im fairly sure we dont have the same songs |
| 11:54:45 | LinusN | is the patch in the wiki up-to-date? |
| 11:55:00 | pondlife | Does it happen with a CVS build? |
| 11:55:15 | JdGordon | LinusN: i tinhk so, its missing 1 file which is attacked |
| 11:55:20 | JdGordon | pondlife: yes, cvs works fine |
| 11:55:26 | * | amiconn tried crossfeed today |
| 11:55:40 | * | JdGordon likes crossfeed |
| 11:55:46 | amiconn | I must say I can't hear a difference between enabled and disabled |
| 11:55:52 | JdGordon | too bad the name is similar to crosfade :p |
| 11:56:02 | LinusN | amiconn: that depends a little on the track you're playing |
| 11:56:11 | pondlife | Try some Beatles |
| 11:56:24 | LinusN | or early bowie |
| 11:56:28 | amiconn | I don't have that |
| 11:57:06 | pondlife | Any 60s "stereo" recordings? |
| 11:58:27 | pondlife | Which targets don't support frequency scaling at all? |
| 11:58:43 | pondlife | ...but do build ok |
| 11:59:14 | safetydan | Any equalizer using people around? Should the precut always be set to the same value as the largest gain, e.g. +6 dB max gain therefore -6 dB precut? |
| 11:59:44 | LinusN | safetydan: in my world, that should guarantee a safe precut |
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| 12:00:23 | LinusN | but i guess preglow is the man to ask |
| 12:00:36 | safetydan | LinusN, same as in mine. Just thinking about setting the precut in these EQ presets that I might commit |
| 12:01:11 | LinusN | i think an automatic precut should make the eq setting a lot easier for inexperienced users |
| 12:01:32 | preglow | noes! |
| 12:01:40 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:01:47 | safetydan | that got his attention |
| 12:01:53 | preglow | this is exactly what we did with the internal prescale for the treble/boost |
| 12:02:12 | preglow | and you might remember me protesting that somewhat vehemently, heh |
| 12:02:56 | LinusN | i don't remember having a precut setting in the cowon firmware, but i might be wrong |
| 12:03:21 | preglow | i don't like behaviour like this for a couple of reasons. a) there's nothing that says clipping will occur. if the user knows it won't happen, then rockbox shouldn't force a precut. b) nothing else that i know of does stuff like thsi |
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| 12:04:04 | preglow | people are (or really, really should) be acccustomed to stuff distorting if tweaked too far anyway |
| 12:04:10 | LinusN | otoh, i don't remember if the cowon fw allowed positive gain |
| 12:04:15 | preglow | the lord of parantheses |
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| 12:04:38 | preglow | precut is a pretty normal thing to have on eqs |
| 12:04:43 | preglow | but having it autoadjusted isn't |
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| 12:06:35 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Old recordings usually have completely different stereo channels (half instruments on the left channel, other half on the right - and usually vocals on both) You can hear difference with crossfeed on such recordings |
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| 12:08:01 | * | JdGordon oesnt think cvs update -D 2006-11-09 worked |
| 12:08:28 | preglow | LinusN: does the cowon fw have a proper eq anyway? |
| 12:10:28 | barrywardell | is the ipod target tree patch is OK for committing now? are the directory names OK with everyone? |
| 12:11:38 | barrywardell | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 |
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| 12:14:00 | pondlife | Oops, more red |
| 12:15:02 | JdGordon | tisk tisk !!! |
| 12:15:29 | * | scorche rushes to go check the score |
| 12:15:32 | * | JdGordon gives up |
| 12:15:45 | scorche | JdGordon: you have other bugs to fix too! =P |
| 12:16:13 | JdGordon | hehe ye, wanna try the fixed keymap again? |
| 12:16:23 | scorche | if another build is ready |
| 12:16:30 | pondlife | Almost |
| 12:16:43 | pondlife | Another mysterious failure caused by my ability to type in the wrong window |
| 12:17:22 | JdGordon | scorche: i still have no idea why the cancel dialogs dont work.. |
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| 12:17:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: does the recorder do some wierd voodoo so the stop button doesnt always trigger? |
| 12:17:48 | scorche | i will have a look at the code when i get a chance if you want |
| 12:18:54 | JdGordon | sent to your gmail |
| 12:19:37 | pondlife | OK, fix in CVS now... wait for the build |
| 12:20:15 | pondlife | It would be funnier if it wasn't always the H300 build that I broke - given that's my test device |
| 12:20:58 | scorche | well, if it makes you feel any better, i find it amusing |
| 12:21:25 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder, LinusN: Shouldn't be "iPod 3rd gen" in the front page, too? |
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| 12:22:18 | JdGordon | does the nano have boost? |
| 12:24:01 | JdGordon | Bagder: i know its no big deal, but is it possible to change the cvs build table script to use a different colour for the flash full errrors instead of red? |
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| 12:28:34 | Bagder | JdGordon: why? |
| 12:28:42 | JdGordon | coz the red is annoying :D |
| 12:28:47 | Bagder | isn't rombox too big a serious enough error? |
| 12:29:07 | JdGordon | honestly.. no... seen as nothing seems to be done about it |
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| 12:29:25 | Bagder | that's just because there's no developers for those devices |
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| 12:29:51 | JdGordon | scorche: is it good to go? |
| 12:30:40 | scorche | JdGordon: heh...for some odd reason you landed in my junk folder the second time around |
| 12:31:00 | JdGordon | hehe probably because the entire message text was . |
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| 12:33:05 | JdGordon | scorche: does the yesno screen work at all? maybe the off dialogs dont work because the recorder doesnt like non-blocking button calls? |
| 12:33:21 | scorche | JdGordon: pages are fixed |
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| 12:33:35 | JdGordon | ok, ta |
| 12:33:40 | scorche | JdGordon: example of a yes/no screen |
| 12:33:42 | scorche | ? |
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| 12:33:52 | JdGordon | delete a file? |
| 12:34:38 | scorche | yes/no works fine |
| 12:36:05 | JdGordon | hmm... do you think we could use that fr the shutdown screen instead then? you'd have topress off then play tho instead of double off |
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| 12:36:44 | scorche | i would much prefer the double off....but that is avoiding the issue....the other OFFs like press OFF to cancel still dont work |
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| 12:37:00 | scorche | avoiding != fixing ;) |
| 12:37:06 | JdGordon | hmm... true |
| 12:37:31 | JdGordon | can you exit the debug screens with off? |
| 12:37:44 | scorche | if it helps at all, when you press OFF at a dialog screen, it clears that pop-up instead of doing nothing until it goes away at 2 seconds or so |
| 12:38:00 | scorche | yes |
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| 12:38:29 | JdGordon | it clears the screen but continues whatever it was doing? |
| 12:38:48 | scorche | well, in the case of the press OFF to shutdown |
| 12:38:57 | scorche | in the press OFF to cancel, no effect |
| 12:39:28 | scorche | and in the OFF to shutdown, it just goes back to the dir browser which is where it was |
| 12:39:45 | scorche | well, i should say goes back...clears the dialog |
| 12:39:50 | scorche | s/should/shouldnt |
| 12:40:10 | preglow | safetydan: i'm not convinced we should set the precut. how do the apple presets work, for example? do they ever distort? |
| 12:40:47 | JdGordon | scorche: ok, i got a possible fix for the shutdown screen... is a patch easier for you? or rather me to keep building it? |
| 12:41:33 | JdGordon | sent |
| 12:41:38 | scorche | you building is easier of course...but i can make do with a patch ;) |
| 12:41:38 | safetydan | preglow, I didn't notice any distortion but I haven't listened in detail. |
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| 12:42:46 | preglow | anywho, not too important, if people complain, we fix |
| 12:43:56 | safetydan | pretty much |
| 12:46:04 | scorche | BAH! |
| 12:46:18 | scorche | this is why i stopped plugging my ajbr in regularly... |
| 12:46:54 | scorche | everytime i plug it in, i am scared of if it will trigger the computer into an instant reboot |
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| 12:47:34 | JdGordon | scorche: my sisters nano does that to my comp |
| 12:47:58 | scorche | JdGordon: midk said his ajbr did it also |
| 12:48:04 | * | scorche shrugs |
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| 12:49:40 | safetydan | Try a different USB port. I vaguely recall some systems have underpowered USB ports and will reboot or do other odd things when something asks for full power from the bus. |
| 12:50:10 | scorche | safetydan: ajbrs dont ask for full power |
| 12:50:20 | scorche | they charge from an external charger |
| 12:50:31 | safetydan | ah... well ignore me then :) |
| 12:51:18 | scorche | i feel bad for my ajbr though...i havent been giving it attention since i got my nano... |
| 12:51:25 | scorche | maybe it is just lashing out |
| 12:52:11 | Slasheri | pondlife: btw, you could have just implemented cpu_boost as a macro and use for example __FILE__ statement that would automatically tell the filename |
| 12:52:50 | pondlife | I could have, but wanted to keep the storage size as low as possible. |
| 12:52:56 | Slasheri | i don't think that CPUBOOSTID is really necessary |
| 12:53:00 | pondlife | Is there __LINE__ too under gcc? |
| 12:53:04 | Slasheri | yes |
| 12:53:19 | pondlife | OK, that would be useful |
| 12:53:22 | PaulJam | pondlife: it seems as if your patch fixes the issue with the noise. at least on my first test the playback didn't stop after the first track of the second album and the song that was playing while rebuffering didn't play longer than it should. but i will try to reproduce a few times more. |
| 12:53:43 | Slasheri | pondlife: i have used that before |
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| 12:53:49 | pondlife | PaulJam: I've got another rebuffering fix here too |
| 12:53:56 | Slasheri | just re-defined the cpu_boost as a macro to include filename and linenumber |
| 12:54:00 | JdGordon | scorche: shutdown works? |
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| 12:54:09 | Slasheri | that is has been easy to track all boosts without touching other files at all |
| 12:54:10 | scorche | JdGordon: havent tested yet...was rebooting |
| 12:54:16 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:54:17 | Slasheri | *then |
| 12:54:26 | pondlife | Slasheri: OK, do you want to do it? ;-p |
| 12:54:26 | Slasheri | and that is easy to turn on/off |
| 12:54:35 | Slasheri | hmm :D |
| 12:54:48 | pondlife | Sorry, deep in playback.c at the mo. Just put it in there so JDGordon could play. |
| 12:54:57 | Slasheri | np :) |
| 12:55:13 | scorche | JdGordon: eek...now the box comes up when OFF is held |
| 12:55:25 | scorche | and goes away as soon as you release it |
| 12:56:02 | JdGordon | hmm... ok |
| 12:56:57 | scorche | and OFF to abort still has no effect |
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| 13:06:56 | lostlogic | pondlife: morning |
| 13:07:02 | pondlife | Morning |
| 13:07:15 | pondlife | Quick question in playback.c (where else?) |
| 13:07:24 | lostlogic | nod |
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| 13:08:02 | pondlife | I'm working from a diff here, so bear with me... |
| 13:08:07 | pondlife | Search for "Start with the remainder of the previously playing track " |
| 13:08:29 | pondlife | I think the following line "amount = tracks[old_track_ridx].filesize - ci.curpos" ... |
| 13:08:46 | pondlife | ... should actually be "amount = tracks[old_track_ridx].filerem" |
| 13:09:15 | pondlife | That certainly fixes http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5906 |
| 13:09:30 | pondlife | This being the audio thread... |
| 13:10:08 | pondlife | Any opinion? |
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| 13:11:06 | lostlogic | filerem is how much of the file is left to read from disk |
| 13:11:20 | pondlife | Ah, not how much is left in the buffer |
| 13:11:36 | lostlogic | right |
| 13:11:48 | pondlife | So filesize-filerem? |
| 13:12:25 | lostlogic | hmm... might require 3 variables |
| 13:12:33 | pondlife | codecsize? |
| 13:12:44 | lostlogic | or not allow that function to be called when the current track is not fully buffered. |
| 13:12:56 | lostlogic | which is probably more correct |
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| 13:13:18 | * | barrywardell gets a new high score :) |
| 13:13:52 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 13:13:53 | pondlife | lostlogic: It's pretty essential to call.. it 's used to detect if the current track is fully buffered. |
| 13:14:09 | pondlife | (or rather the next track) |
| 13:14:32 | webguest666 | bluebrother has put in a lot of work with his FM patch, FS 5929, could a dev please commit it, dying to try the FM radio with improvements |
| 13:14:33 | lostlogic | right, but then if the current track is was not fully buffered and we're winding forward to the next track, it's _clear_ that we need to dump out immediately |
| 13:14:43 | lostlogic | so if cur_ti->filerem != 0 return false |
| 13:15:00 | bluebrother | webguest666, I'm about doing this myself in the next time. |
| 13:15:02 | scorche | barrywardell: nice score! |
| 13:15:06 | pondlife | I'm trying not to use cur_ti.. |
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| 13:15:18 | bluebrother | but I don't want to mess with barrywardell's score ;-) |
| 13:15:31 | bluebrother | oh ... gone. That was quick. |
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| 13:16:02 | lostlogic | pondlife tracks[old_track_ridx].filerem != 0 |
| 13:16:11 | pondlife | OK |
| 13:16:45 | lostlogic | "if the current track isn't fully buffered, clearly the next track isn't on the buffer" |
| 13:16:58 | webguest666 | finger trouble... bluebrother, any chance that your patch will get committed |
| 13:17:23 | bluebrother | webguest666, as I said I'll do it in the near future. |
| 13:17:35 | webguest666 | k, thanks |
| 13:17:41 | bluebrother | got green light from LinusN this morning :) |
| 13:18:00 | webguest666 | great |
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| 13:18:45 | lostlogic | and thanks for not using cur_ti and reminding me that it's _WRONG_ to use it in those buffer winding functions ;) |
| 13:19:02 | barrywardell | i'll be a little while fixing all those build errors. have to compile sims for all ipod targets to test fixes! |
| 13:19:26 | pondlife | I'd like to scrap cur_ti and prev_ti someday |
| 13:19:58 | lostlogic | pondlife: yeah −− I'd actually tried to drop them once or twice and failed |
| 13:20:13 | pondlife | I remember... :) |
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| 13:20:17 | lostlogic | pondlife: metadata on buffer changes the whole thing so it's not really worth going into the analysis until after that |
| 13:20:33 | pondlife | That's why I called you in |
| 13:20:48 | linuxstb | barrywardell: At least one problem is removing #define IPOD_ARCH from the config files - you should restore that. |
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| 13:25:18 | barrywardell | yup, that should fix the bootloader builds |
| 13:26:31 | bluebrother | barrywardell, you introduced firmware/target/arm/ipod/3g/backlight-3g.c but also firmware/target/arm/ipod/backlight-4g_color.c. Shouldn't be those in the same folder? Looks weird to me |
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| 13:26:53 | barrywardell | 3g is specific to the 3g ipod |
| 13:27:09 | linuxstb | backlight-3g is for one target, backlight-4g-color is for both the 4g (greyscale) and the Color/Photo |
| 13:27:11 | barrywardell | backlight-4g_color.c applies to two ipod models - 4g and color |
| 13:27:19 | bluebrother | ah. ok. |
| 13:28:00 | linuxstb | There will hopefully be more 3g-specific code in the future as well, which should go in a 3g/ directory. |
| 13:28:24 | barrywardell | there is a lot of common code between other ipods, but the 3g is quite different |
| 13:29:17 | bluebrother | I was a bit puzzled as the type is also in the filename |
| 13:30:09 | markun | barrywardell: the move to target_tree will also help my wmcodec generalisation, so thanks |
| 13:30:20 | barrywardell | great :) |
| 13:30:37 | linuxstb | bluebrother: All the target-tree code does that - e.g. iaudio/x5/power-x5.c |
| 13:32:42 | linuxstb | barrywardell: firmware/SOURCES still has drivers/pcf50605.c surrounded by #ifdef IPOD_ARCH... |
| 13:32:57 | * | bluebrother hopes to get to know the code better in the next weeks (more free time!) |
| 13:33:12 | barrywardell | i just added IPOD_ARCH back in to all the ipod config files |
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| 13:33:50 | linuxstb | You need to delete the #ifdef IPOD_ARCH from SOURCES - the same file is already included in each of the individual ipod sections. |
| 13:34:08 | barrywardell | ah yes, thanks for the tip |
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| 13:38:23 | barrywardell | getting there... |
| 13:38:36 | barrywardell | i'll fix the two sim builds in a little while |
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| 13:46:43 | * | linuxstb wonders what happened to freedb.org... |
| 13:47:00 | JdGordon | is was closed a while ago wasnt it? |
| 13:47:26 | linuxstb | It's been up and running recently, but now the website has changed, and the online search has disappeared... |
| 13:47:54 | scorche | heh...i noticed that as well |
| 13:48:09 | scorche | had to use CDDB's online search |
| 13:51:03 | scorche | linuxstb: http://www.freedb.org/en/forum/read.php?1,8 |
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| 13:53:07 | linuxstb | Yes, I read that... |
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| 15:19:48 | theli_ua | rather quiet today.... |
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| 15:22:19 | webguest666 | how do i select region with new fm commit |
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| 15:23:08 | bluebrother | webguest666, go to the context menu of the fm screen. |
| 15:23:27 | bluebrother | hold navi on h100 series |
| 15:23:58 | webguest666 | ah, there it is, thanks |
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| 15:25:59 | bluebrother | IMO this should get moved the the general settings −− when the menu rework is done. |
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| 15:48:34 | preglow | it is, heh |
| 15:48:41 | preglow | -anal, however, is not |
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| 16:02:22 | amiconn | barrywardell: There's still something to fix... |
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| 16:03:06 | amiconn | LinusN: While your build script fix seems to fix the hanging builds, it seems like another problem slipped in. |
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| 16:03:39 | amiconn | It looks like sometimes the build round doesn't catch all changes which triggered the build |
| 16:05:54 | barrywardell | yes, i'm working on it |
| 16:05:58 | barrywardell | think I found the problem |
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| 16:07:04 | LinusN | amiconn: i doubt that the problems are related in any way |
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| 16:07:50 | linuxstb | LinusN: When did you fix the hanging builds? I had that problem (build system building old files) a week or two ago. |
| 16:08:27 | LinusN | linuxstb: sep-26 |
| 16:10:02 | linuxstb | Ah, my first meeting with the build system building old files was at about 10pm GMT on the 26 September... |
| 16:10:07 | LinusN | amiconn: "catch all changes"? |
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| 16:13:36 | linuxstb | In my case, I committed a change to a file, and then the build servers didn't include that change in their builds. Checking the files in ~rbclient/ on my build server, the file I changed was still at the previous revision. |
| 16:14:03 | linuxstb | But the changelog on the website included the change I had committed. |
| 16:14:13 | preglow | what, you're trying to say the build system has bugs? :] |
| 16:14:25 | linuxstb | It's as if the wrong timestamp was passed to the build servers. |
| 16:14:31 | LinusN | linuxstb: i changed the script 10:26 that day |
| 16:14:38 | LinusN | then i restarted the build by hand |
| 16:15:25 | LinusN | so it is likely that your commit wasn't handled correctly |
| 16:15:52 | linuxstb | In fact, my commit was earlier than that - 20:26 according to since25.shtml. I just discussed it in IRC at around 22:00. |
| 16:16:35 | LinusN | also, it is possible that a multi-file commit may be built halfway, if the build is started after the first file has been committed |
| 16:17:15 | LinusN | linuxstb: in my world 10:26 is a lot earlier than 20:26 |
| 16:18:11 | linuxstb | I'm not arguing with that. |
| 16:18:16 | Bagder | the "not catch all changes" problem is rather a cvs-related one |
| 16:18:31 | linuxstb | In my case it was a single file. |
| 16:19:37 | LinusN | linuxstb: if the file was unchanged on your build server, how could the master build script be at fault? |
| 16:20:03 | linuxstb | Because my build server wasn't told to update it - it wasn't the revision it was meant to be building. |
| 16:20:20 | linuxstb | Other people with build servers checked and they had the same problem. |
| 16:20:22 | Bagder | it was told to update |
| 16:20:27 | Bagder | it just failed to do it |
| 16:20:29 | Bagder | for some reason |
| 16:20:36 | linuxstb | It's not given a time? |
| 16:20:41 | Bagder | it is |
| 16:20:44 | Bagder | all servers get the same |
| 16:22:29 | LinusN | that's another reason to go svn - atomic commits |
| 16:22:40 | barrywardell | i'm having trouble tracking down that last problem. could it be a problem with the build system? |
| 16:22:46 | preglow | svn! |
| 16:23:21 | preglow | Bagder: are there any scripts that will be somewhat hard fix when making a transition to svn? |
| 16:23:34 | LinusN | barrywardell: what problem? |
| 16:23:39 | barrywardell | it's saying *_CONTRAST_SETTING isn't defined |
| 16:23:41 | Bagder | preglow: nah not hard, just work |
| 16:23:56 | barrywardell | but looking in config-ipod4g.h for example it's right there |
| 16:24:01 | preglow | Bagder: scripts are mostly perl, yes? |
| 16:24:06 | Bagder | preglow: yeps |
| 16:24:21 | barrywardell | i don't see why it's building for some targets but not the two ipod sims |
| 16:25:28 | barrywardell | actually, they're defined inside a ifndef SIMULATOR, so maybe that's the problem. but then why is there no complaints with the other sims? |
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| 16:26:05 | LinusN | barrywardell: because they are not defined in an #ifndef SIMULATOR? |
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| 16:26:54 | barrywardell | that's the thing. look at config-ipod3g.h for example. they are defined in an #ifndef SIMULATOR too |
| 16:27:05 | * | barrywardell is very confused |
| 16:27:34 | LinusN | but does 3g have adjustable contrast? |
| 16:27:40 | linuxstb | barrywardell: The other sims aren't built as part of the automated builds... So all greyscale ipod sims have failed. |
| 16:27:56 | LinusN | ah |
| 16:28:24 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 16:28:50 | barrywardell | ah ,ok |
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| 16:36:11 | godzirra | Ok, I have an ipod video and I'm trying to get rockbox installed on it |
| 16:36:27 | godzirra | but when I go through the manual and type 'ipodpatcher 0' etc - 5, nothing shows up as an ipod |
| 16:36:30 | godzirra | am I diong something wrong? |
| 16:41:05 | lini | is the ipod connected to an USB port on the machine? |
| 16:41:17 | godzirra | Yup |
| 16:41:23 | lini | running in disk mode? |
| 16:41:25 | godzirra | It shows up as the E drive |
| 16:41:28 | godzirra | lini: how do I make sure? |
| 16:41:43 | lini | since it shows as a drive |
| 16:41:47 | lini | then it's in disk mode |
| 16:42:17 | markun | godzirra: newest ipod video is not yet supported |
| 16:42:33 | markun | Do you have one of those? |
| 16:42:33 | godzirra | I just manually put it into disk mode. |
| 16:42:38 | godzirra | markun: nope. Its one of the old 30 gigs. |
| 16:42:39 | godzirra | they were on sale. |
| 16:42:42 | godzirra | :) |
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| 16:44:26 | godzirra | it is in disk mode now, still shows up as E: drive, but ipodpatcher still isnt seeing it. |
| 16:44:38 | godzirra | markun: how do I make 100% sure its not a new new ipod? |
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| 16:45:28 | markun | with fdisk, but I forgot what has changed, ask linuxstb_ |
| 16:45:48 | godzirra | linuxstb_: How do I verify that my 5g is not a 5.5g ipod? |
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| 16:46:12 | godzirra | Its not being detected by ipodpatcher while in disk mode, but its a 30 gig and I thought it was one of the old 5g's, not the new one |
| 16:47:38 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: If your serial number ends in WU9, WUA, WUB, or WUC then it's a new one. |
| 16:47:52 | linuxstb_ | As described here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 |
| 16:48:00 | godzirra | V9M |
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| 16:49:01 | godzirra | so i should be ok... |
| 16:49:08 | godzirra | so back to why doesn't my ipod show p under ipodpatcher? :) |
| 16:49:17 | godzirra | I have it connected, it says its in disk mode... |
| 16:49:33 | godzirra | it shows up as drive e:, but running 'ipodpatcher 0' - 'ipodpatcher 10' hasnt shown anything |
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| 16:51:43 | godzirra | Anyone know? I dont want to be stuck with the ipod firmware :) |
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| 16:53:37 | linuxstb | Do you have cygwin installed? |
| 16:53:54 | godzirra | not yet, but if you tell me what packages i should install it with I'll install it. |
| 16:54:35 | linuxstb | I just wanted to look at a copy of your MBR - maybe that's causing the problem. But I'll give you a custom build of ipodpatcher - give me a few minutes... |
| 16:55:43 | godzirra | Sure. |
| 16:56:01 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-nocheck.zip |
| 16:56:18 | linuxstb | That doesn't have the check which tries to detect if a disk is an ipod or not - so be careful with it! |
| 16:56:56 | godzirra | how do I know which directory I need to use then? |
| 16:56:58 | godzirra | err |
| 16:56:58 | godzirra | which #? |
| 16:57:32 | linuxstb | You'll need to rely on the partition layout to identify which drive is your ipod. It will have two partitions - the first partition is of type 0 (Empty), and the second is of type 0xb (W95 FAT32). |
| 16:57:37 | godzirra | ahh, ok. |
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| 16:57:59 | linuxstb | The first partition will be around 80MB or 112MB depending if you have the 30GB or 60GB 5g. |
| 16:58:14 | godzirra | ok.. this is really odd. |
| 16:58:18 | godzirra | I went from 0 - 20 |
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| 16:58:21 | godzirra | only 0 showed up |
| 16:58:28 | godzirra | as a 49 gig drive (which is what is in my laptop) |
| 16:58:41 | godzirra | oh wait. |
| 16:58:53 | barrywardell | ahh. all green again:) |
| 16:59:03 | godzirra | on 1, I got error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect |
| 16:59:07 | godzirra | is that my CD rom drive? |
| 16:59:23 | linuxstb | That's probably your ipod. |
| 16:59:55 | linuxstb | Others have reported similar error messages, but I've no idea what it could be. Maybe your right and it's your CDROM though... |
| 16:59:55 | godzirra | why would it not read the partition? |
| 16:59:58 | godzirra | How odd. |
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| 17:00:11 | linuxstb | No idea, I'm not a Windows person... |
| 17:00:17 | godzirra | well if I try and use ipodpatcher on it and its my cdrom drive, that won't hurt it |
| 17:00:40 | linuxstb | The -r command shouldn't hurt anything. |
| 17:00:46 | linuxstb | (I would hope) |
| 17:01:02 | godzirra | it also won't read from that partition with -r |
| 17:01:03 | godzirra | hrm |
| 17:01:10 | linuxstb | Do you have admin rights? |
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| 17:01:36 | godzirra | Yup. |
| 17:01:46 | godzirra | I can install cygwin if it will help figure it uot |
| 17:01:49 | godzirra | what do I need to installl? |
| 17:01:55 | godzirra | I've already got it downloaded. |
| 17:03:05 | godzirra | or I can try booting into knoppix with a live cd and try it there if you think that would help |
| 17:03:16 | linuxstb | No, I don't think cygwin will help. For some reason your ipod just isn't appearing as a disk device in Windows. |
| 17:03:22 | linuxstb | Yes, knoppix would probably work. |
| 17:03:26 | godzirra | which is weird, because I see it as E: |
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| 17:03:44 | linuxstb | Does it work? i.e. can you drag and drop files to/from E: ? |
| 17:04:30 | godzirra | seems to. |
| 17:04:44 | linuxstb | I'm not sure exactly how, but you should be able to see what disk device drive E: is attached to. |
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| 17:05:38 | godzirra | even in properties I dont seem to be able to.. |
| 17:06:29 | linuxstb | It's there somewhere... amiconn may know? |
| 17:06:58 | godzirra | Let me just try rebooting and seeing if I can do it in linux. |
| 17:07:49 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 17:09:10 | amiconn | You need to go into disk management |
| 17:09:33 | lini | hm |
| 17:09:47 | lini | a stupid question about my cygwin environment |
| 17:09:54 | lini | patch just stopped working :( |
| 17:10:12 | lini | whenever i type "patch args" it just hangs |
| 17:10:41 | lini | is this known to happen? |
| 17:10:49 | amiconn | It doesn't hang. |
| 17:10:57 | amiconn | It just waits for input |
| 17:11:25 | amiconn | You have to use input file redirection to make it read a patch file automatically |
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| 17:11:55 | amiconn | ...i.e. patch (parameters) <input_file |
| 17:12:33 | lini | patch -p0 −−binary −−dry-run -i patchfile.patch |
| 17:12:44 | lini | this is the command line |
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| 17:13:51 | amiconn | Hmm, -i should also work according to patch −−help |
| 17:13:55 | linuxstb | That should work - at least with the GNU version of patch. |
| 17:13:58 | lini | hm, restarted cygwin and it's all fine now |
| 17:14:00 | lini | weird |
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| 17:14:27 | linuxstb | Maybe you have two different patch programs installed, and your PATH got changed somehow to include the "bad" one. |
| 17:14:48 | linuxstb | i.e. one that doesn't support -i |
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| 17:19:19 | GotenXiao | Does Rockbox understand any other filesystems than FAT32 and HFS? |
| 17:19:33 | GotenXiao | i.e. ext2 and the like |
| 17:19:42 | linuxstb | It only understands FAT32. |
| 17:19:51 | markun | GotenXiao: not even HFS |
| 17:19:52 | GotenXiao | Figures. :P |
| 17:22:09 | godzirra | linuxstb: ok, had to install linux really quick. i'm downloading the patcher now. |
| 17:22:22 | godzirra | linuxstb: oddly enough, it detected my ipod as /dev/sdb when installing linux |
| 17:23:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:23:12 | GotenXiao | godzirra, the iPod is a USB Mass Storage device |
| 17:23:23 | GotenXiao | and those sit on the SCSI emulation layer |
| 17:23:33 | GotenXiao | as well as SATA drives |
| 17:24:04 | godzirra | GotenXiao: I know, I just found it funny that I couldnt get the ipodpatcher to find it in windows, and then it popped up as a device I could potentially install linux to |
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| 17:24:38 | GotenXiao | :P |
| 17:24:50 | GotenXiao | godzirra, that's Linux for you |
| 17:25:26 | GotenXiao | "Yes, but does it run Linux?" is often a Slashdot comment (mainly because Linux runs on just about everything) |
| 17:25:32 | * | godzirra nods |
| 17:25:39 | GotenXiao | there's even a HOWTO on how to install Linux on a dead badger |
| 17:25:45 | godzirra | ok, now thats sad. |
| 17:25:48 | GotenXiao | :P |
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| 17:25:54 | godzirra | hmmm |
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| 17:26:02 | godzirra | I can't see the page very well in lynx... its not very lynx friendly :) |
| 17:26:08 | GotenXiao | try links |
| 17:26:13 | GotenXiao | it does layout better |
| 17:26:18 | GotenXiao | http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml |
| 17:26:19 | godzirra | is rockbox-h100-20061005.zip the one I need for a 5g? |
| 17:26:21 | godzirra | let me try it |
| 17:26:31 | linuxstb | No, it's for the h100 (an iriver player)... |
| 17:26:49 | markun | godzirra: and you need to download the fonts as well |
| 17:26:52 | godzirra | Yeah, I thought so.. hrm. |
| 17:27:03 | godzirra | one sec.. installing links |
| 17:27:14 | linuxstb | You only need to install the bootloader from Linux - then you can go back to Windows and just access the filesystem via E: |
| 17:27:37 | godzirra | right. |
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| 17:30:58 | godzirra | Hrm. I get a billion errors trying to compile ipod_fw.c |
| 17:33:24 | godzirra | mostly things like this: error: image undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:33:31 | godzirra | but the word image has little solid squares around it. |
| 17:35:14 | hcs | you aren't trying to compile the binary by any chance, are you...? |
| 17:35:37 | hcs | nah, it'd fail sooner than that |
| 17:35:45 | godzirra | i'm trying to compile ipod_fw.c as listed in the linux ipod installation wiki? |
| 17:35:48 | godzirra | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 17:37:32 | hcs | what line is the "image undeclared" error on? |
| 17:38:21 | godzirra | there's about 100 lines of errors |
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| 17:38:40 | godzirra | crap |
| 17:38:44 | godzirra | I dont think I have the stdio.h header |
| 17:38:47 | godzirra | or any of the others for that matter |
| 17:38:51 | lowlight | Anyone in Boston? hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/blog/">http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/blog/ |
| 17:39:10 | hcs | no, but that's cool |
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| 17:46:18 | godzirra | wow. look at that. When you have header files everything works. |
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| 17:50:12 | godzirra | ok, what is "rockboot.bin" supposed to be in the howto? |
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| 17:51:36 | godzirra | It says to do ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader_nano.bin |
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| 17:51:51 | godzirra | bootloader_nano is the bootloader I downloaded (bootloader_video.bin) |
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| 17:52:02 | godzirra | apple_os.bin is the one I extracted from the original bootloader... |
| 17:52:05 | godzirra | what is rockboot.bin? |
| 17:53:04 | linuxstb | That's the output file - i.e. the file created by ipod_fw |
| 17:53:22 | godzirra | Ohhh.. ok. |
| 17:53:25 | linuxstb | That's the new firmware partition image you will then need to write to your ipod. |
| 17:53:31 | godzirra | Yeah, got it. |
| 17:53:41 | godzirra | I want to use the word 'video' instead of 'nano' right? |
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| 17:56:10 | godzirra | And is the next command: if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 supposed to return almost instantly with no output? |
| 17:56:18 | godzirra | oh, nevermind |
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| 17:57:34 | godzirra | Sigh. not a good sign. after intsalling the bootloader I made with dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 and disconnecting the usb cable, it told me to connect to itunes and use the restore feature |
| 17:59:04 | godzirra | what should I do now? |
| 17:59:39 | PaulJam | can someone with flyspray access close this task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5404 |
| 18:00 |
| 18:02:29 | godzirra | anyone? |
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| 18:06:33 | godzirra | Surely someone can help me figure out what I did wrong? I think I followed the tutorial to the letter, but its still not woring. |
| 18:06:37 | godzirra | working. |
| 18:07:46 | godzirra | Is it suppoosed to be /dev/sdb1 I write the bootloader to? |
| 18:07:54 | godzirra | anyone even awake anymore? :/ |
| 18:08:26 | nls | PaulJam, done |
| 18:08:51 | lowlight | no ipod here |
| 18:09:00 | hcs | godzirra: did you eject the ipod or just unplug it? |
| 18:09:17 | godzirra | hcs: I'm doing it through linux. I didnt even realize there was a way to eject it. |
| 18:09:22 | godzirra | since its not mounted |
| 18:09:30 | hcs | eject /dev/sdb |
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| 18:10:03 | Life | Hello |
| 18:10:11 | godzirra | hcs: do I need to rerun the dd first? |
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| 18:10:30 | hcs | godzirra: yes, I'd suggest trying that |
| 18:10:44 | hcs | on the chance that it wasn't completely written to disk |
| 18:10:47 | Life | is there some way to create playlists in rockbox? |
| 18:11:07 | nls | there surely is |
| 18:11:07 | godzirra | hcs: same problem. |
| 18:11:38 | hcs | godzirra: dang... I'm going to look over the tutorial to see if there's any other possible gotchas |
| 18:11:38 | Life | nls: do you know of it? i couldn't find it. |
| 18:11:44 | godzirra | ok, thanks. |
| 18:11:54 | nls | Life, what do you want to do? |
| 18:11:56 | godzirra | hcs: At this point I can't start from the beginning without restoring my ipod, can I? |
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| 18:12:19 | Life | create a playlist in rockbox, because i can't boot up apple's firmware. |
| 18:12:21 | godzirra | becuase I can't get the original ipod firmware from sdb1? |
| 18:12:29 | linuxstb | godzirra: How big is your rockboot.bin? |
| 18:12:38 | hcs | godzirra: you dumped the original ipod firmware in the first step |
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| 18:12:43 | godzirra | 12806144 |
| 18:13:07 | lowlight | Life: check the manual "Browsing and Playing" |
| 18:13:12 | linuxstb | That looks about right - how big are apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin? |
| 18:13:29 | godzirra | apple_os.bin is 7490048 |
| 18:13:31 | nls | Life, in the file browser or tacgcache browser long press select on a file or folder and select "playlist" and you get a list of available options |
| 18:13:46 | godzirra | apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin is 5245440 |
| 18:14:34 | linuxstb | Try writing rockboot.bin again, but look at the hard disk indicator on your 5g's LCD, and make sure it turns off before you disconnect. |
| 18:14:42 | godzirra | ok. |
| 18:15:15 | godzirra | ok, its definitely of. i'm ejecting it now. |
| 18:15:31 | godzirra | same problem. |
| 18:15:34 | godzirra | says to restore |
| 18:15:59 | preglow | would anyone happen to know how i make ldd only show libraries linked directly to an executable? |
| 18:16:19 | bluebrother | Life, there is also a section in the manual that isn't included (because it needs quite some work) yet. If you don't fear looking into the source code you can read it here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/working_with_playlists/main.tex?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 18:16:57 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you mean static libraries linked to the executable? |
| 18:17:13 | godzirra | linuxstb: should i just try restoring and starting over? |
| 18:17:41 | linuxstb | godzirra: Did you accidentally write rockboot.bin to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1? |
| 18:18:32 | godzirra | scrolling through my history, I'm pretty sure I didnt. |
| 18:18:35 | preglow | linuxstb: no, dynamic ones |
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| 18:18:49 | preglow | linuxstb: when i use ldd on an executable, i seem to get all dependencies, even indirect ones, listed |
| 18:19:30 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Did you see my bug report regarding the Nano 1.2 install instructions in the manual? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6038 |
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| 18:20:24 | godzirra | So what now? Restore? Or try something else? |
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| 18:21:58 | linuxstb | godzirra: Can you pastebin your history? |
| 18:22:09 | godzirra | hmmm.. not sure. one second. |
| 18:22:13 | Life | bluebrother: there is also a section in the manual that isn't included? included in what? |
| 18:22:34 | godzirra | depends on whether pastebin and lynx work well together |
| 18:22:38 | bluebrother | included in the generated manual −− that's the source for the manual |
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| 18:23:00 | bluebrother | it simply isn't finished enough to include it in the build version |
| 18:23:10 | bluebrother | but that will hopefully change soon. |
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| 18:25:19 | Life | no need really, maybe i made it sounds more complicated than it is. all i needed was to create a playlist so i can create more in iTunes with the ipod in diskmode. |
| 18:25:59 | linuxstb | Life; Rockbox and itunes don't talk to each other... |
| 18:26:10 | bluebrother | linuxstb, how does the reboot work? Press the buttons and hold them until the unit reboots? |
| 18:26:10 | Life | they don't use the same playlists? |
| 18:26:39 | linuxstb | Life: No, Rockbox uses standard .m3u playlists, itunes puts playlists in its proprietory database. |
| 18:26:53 | Life | sh*t |
| 18:27:24 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, just hold MENU+SELECT together for about 4-5 seconds. |
| 18:27:45 | Life | it's gonna take ages then >.< |
| 18:27:59 | linuxstb | It's a hardware reset, so works in both Rockbox and the Apple firmware - it's important for ipod users to know that key combination. |
| 18:28:10 | godzirra | linuxstb: ok, its at http://sial.org/pbot/20198 |
| 18:29:35 | linuxstb | godzirra: That looks fine. So all I can suggest is restoring and trying again. |
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| 18:30:02 | godzirra | ok. |
| 18:30:04 | godzirra | i'll try that. |
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| 18:32:33 | Life | does RockBox use the illustrations added via iTunes? |
| 18:32:46 | nls | no |
| 18:33:14 | nls | Life, if you tell us what you're trying to do we might be able to help you. |
| 18:33:35 | bluebrother | Life, Rockbox doesn't use the itunes db at all. It's completely different |
| 18:36:34 | bluebrother | linuxstb, how do ipod users know which firmware they are using? |
| 18:37:17 | linuxstb | I think there is an extra Nike menu in the 1.2 firmware, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:37:26 | theefer | Hello! I use Rockbox on my iAudio X5 and I love it. However, the battery management is not very efficient and I get only 1/2 or 1/3 of the lifetime of the original firmware. Is this issue being worked on or solveable at all? |
| 18:37:43 | bluebrother | Nike menu? |
| 18:37:44 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Paul_The_Nerd should know. |
| 18:38:17 | bluebrother | ok, I'll ask him when he's around. |
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| 18:41:24 | pondlife | lostlogic: around (again)? |
| 18:41:47 | jhMikeS | How can it be that if I don't do yielding at all when flushing data, and the codec is flooding it with data that codec can still be running and encoding more? Do the file APIs yeild. I can't seems to find where they would. |
| 18:41:59 | pondlife | I believe they do |
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| 18:43:03 | jhMikeS | I was looking and didn't can't see it. I must be missing something somewhere. |
| 18:43:19 | linuxstb | The ata driver yields (in ata.c) |
| 18:43:44 | jhMikeS | during writes? |
| 18:43:59 | pondlife | jhMikeS: You may know... are all of the file buffer values and indices measured in bytes? I'm getting apparantly incomparable values for buf_ridx, ci.curpos, filebuflen etc.. |
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| 18:46:22 | jhMikeS | I don't know offhand but they should be. If not then wtf? |
| 18:46:28 | pondlife | samples? |
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| 18:46:38 | pondlife | I'm sure it's just me.. don't worry! |
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| 18:47:45 | jhMikeS | are you talking about the file api's or the codec buffer? I'm tired and it's almost sleepy time. |
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| 18:49:27 | pondlife | The codec buffer...with an emphasis on playback,c - audio_buffer_wind_forward(). |
| 18:50:01 | pondlife | I'm only just restarted on it, but having dumped a load of values I was hoping to draw a diagram that made sense |
| 18:50:14 | godzirra | ok.. rebooting into linux again to try again |
| 18:50:27 | lowlight | pondlife: they should represent # of bytes |
| 18:50:53 | jhMikeS | looking at a codec it seems ci.curpos is in bytes |
| 18:50:58 | pondlife | That's what I thought. Will study a bit longer. |
| 18:51:19 | jhMikeS | wavpack.c is pretty basic to check it out |
| 18:51:45 | pondlife | Somehow I'm ending up with a small negative seek (-32606 bytes) for no good reason. |
| 18:51:58 | pondlife | I suspect that the use of ci.curpos in there may not be valid |
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| 18:52:11 | lowlight | pondlife: AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE |
| 18:52:35 | lowlight | ? |
| 18:52:38 | pondlife | Nearly! |
| 18:53:02 | pondlife | But for a normal track-to-track transition, it shouldn't seek. There's no codec in the buffer. |
| 18:53:15 | jhMikeS | pondlife: with what? |
| 18:53:37 | jhMikeS | what "normal track-to-track"? |
| 18:53:47 | jhMikeS | no codec change? |
| 18:54:17 | pondlife | In this case I have tracks 7-10 all buffered. Playback is from 20 secs before the end of track 7 into track 8. Unexpected glitch and repeat occurs. All tracks are MP3 128kbps |
| 18:54:49 | pondlife | So either one of the running totals has got messed up, or this routine is wrong. |
| 18:56:23 | lowlight | Is this the resume bug thing? |
| 18:56:26 | pondlife | Details of the problem are http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5906 |
| 18:56:46 | pondlife | No, but might shed some light perhaps |
| 18:56:49 | jhMikeS | Looking at it I'm not sure the trimming is correct eigther |
| 18:57:04 | pondlife | Trimming? |
| 18:57:16 | jhMikeS | Of encoder delay and padding |
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| 18:57:54 | jhMikeS | Why can't one of the trims be zero and the other not? |
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| 18:58:20 | jhMikeS | never mind it's >= 0...heh bedtime |
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| 18:59:04 | pondlife | Night night |
| 18:59:12 | jhMikeS | I should be looking at mpa.c? |
| 18:59:18 | lowlight | pondlife: only mp3s? |
| 18:59:35 | pondlife | I've only tried with MP3s |
| 18:59:39 | jhMikeS | pondlife: couple minutes yet |
| 18:59:49 | pondlife | Not sure what the original reporter uses |
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| 19:00:19 | jhMikeS | wavpack.codec bites it hard with 88.2kHz wvs. |
| 19:00:28 | pondlife | Also noticed that filebufused ends up being set to (the equivalent) of -418 when playback ends... |
| 19:00:33 | pondlife | 0 would be nice |
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| 19:00:59 | pondlife | Ah, I'll stop rambling and get hacking. |
| 19:01:23 | jhMikeS | I'll get sleeping and hack later...nighty night |
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| 19:01:45 | Life | so how can i browse through music files properly without using tag cache browser? |
| 19:02:01 | Life | seeing how i can't create playlists using tag cache browser from what i read in the manual |
| 19:02:46 | nls | sure you can (can't you?) |
| 19:03:00 | nls | did you try it? |
| 19:03:18 | Life | if i browse through my music files using the file browser all i see are the tags generated by iTunes |
| 19:03:23 | Life | the scrambled names and such |
| 19:03:49 | Life | tag cache browser decyphers those, but i can't edit my playlists with tag cache reader |
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| 19:04:08 | Life | there's nothing about it in the "Browsing an playing" part of the manual anyway |
| 19:04:25 | Life | and i can't find any way to myself either. |
| 19:04:41 | nls | what do you want to do with your playlist |
| 19:04:57 | Life | i want to add songs to it basicly. |
| 19:05:07 | Life | and then i want to be able to view what files i've added to it |
| 19:05:34 | bluebrother | Life, what do you mean with "your" playlists? Do you mean itunes playlists? |
| 19:05:35 | nls | whell the viewer will display scrambled file names for now |
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| 19:06:15 | Life | no, i mean the file i hope i'm making by selecting "insert" on multiple songs. |
| 19:06:37 | Life | which is supposed to be .m3u, seeing how somebody claimed rockbox uses those |
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| 19:06:50 | bluebrother | but you _can_ create playlists from tagcache. |
| 19:06:53 | nls | it will be if you save it |
| 19:06:58 | Life | which is supposed to be in the root>playlists>playlistname dir |
| 19:07:08 | bluebrother | not necessarily. |
| 19:07:12 | Life | nls, where's the save button? T_T |
| 19:07:17 | nls | no it's supposed to be where you save it |
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| 19:07:34 | bluebrother | playlists can be anywhere on disk, but the playlist catalog needs its playlists in the playlists folder |
| 19:07:47 | nls | in the menu select playlist options and then save playlist |
| 19:07:53 | Life | let's make things more complicated please bluebrother. |
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| 19:08:04 | nls | "save current playlist" even |
| 19:08:04 | bluebrother | Life, if you want to ... |
| 19:08:05 | Life | there is no playlist options in the menu. |
| 19:08:18 | Life | bluebrother: that was a rethorical comment. |
| 19:08:21 | Life | hope i spelled that right |
| 19:08:23 | bluebrother | I know. |
| 19:08:28 | nls | then you're in the wrong menu |
| 19:08:56 | Life | i'm in the top most menu, the one i see when i boot up rockbox. |
| 19:09:14 | bluebrother | that's not a menu, that's the browser |
| 19:09:20 | nls | that would be the file browser, press menu button |
| 19:09:33 | bluebrother | you can save a playlist from the main menu or from the context menu of the wps |
| 19:09:42 | Life | m*th*rf*ck*r! |
| 19:09:51 | nls | ok by then |
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| 19:10:01 | Life | not you o.O |
| 19:10:12 | bluebrother | who then? |
| 19:10:20 | bluebrother | (rhetorical question) |
| 19:10:28 | Life | k. |
| 19:10:36 | Life | hmm, did spell it wrong i see |
| 19:15:59 | Life | everything's so hard to figure out, but it's soo bloody obvious once you do T_T |
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| 19:28:28 | lowlight | pondlife: what's audio_buffer_wind_forward() doing? |
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| 19:36:55 | bluebrother | hi tucoz |
| 19:37:03 | tucoz | hi |
| 19:37:30 | bluebrother | you should now be able adding \printindex somewhere and get an index |
| 19:37:44 | tucoz | saw you radio commit, nice. That i have been waiting for :) |
| 19:37:51 | tucoz | oh, cool |
| 19:37:52 | bluebrother | of course the index points need to get done |
| 19:38:08 | bluebrother | I commited some with the installation.tex change |
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| 19:38:34 | bluebrother | sounds like quite some people were waiting for the radio change. |
| 19:38:41 | * | bluebrother is a bit surprised by that |
| 19:39:01 | tucoz | yes, but i thought we have to run the manual through aspell to get the words proper British English, and that one could do some search & replace then |
| 19:39:14 | tucoz | at the same time |
| 19:39:24 | tucoz | as that will make for a possibly huge commit |
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| 19:40:10 | * | tucoz is happy as he is finally rid of the fglrx driver and uses the open source driver instead :) |
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| 19:40:25 | bluebrother | I thought about adding the \index entries bit-by-bit |
| 19:41:57 | bluebrother | do you know how to distinguish between the different nano firmware? To get FS #6038 fixed. |
| 19:42:17 | tucoz | yes, that is of course an option. Should we set up a wiki on words that should be indexed? |
| 19:42:30 | tucoz | words or group of words? |
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| 19:43:46 | bluebrother | hmm. I thought simply about when going through parts of the manual to add indexes for the things that sound like indexing |
| 19:44:16 | bluebrother | maybe a wiki page with topics that should actually included in the index would be helpful |
| 19:44:16 | tucoz | I haven't though this through to be honest. |
| 19:44:55 | tucoz | But, i figured, that if you go through the manual to find a word that should be indexed, then shouldn't all places in the manual where that word is also be indexed? |
| 19:45:02 | bluebrother | I also want to do some adjustments to the index layout before it gets added, but this shouldn't keep us away from adding index entries. |
| 19:45:12 | tucoz | e.g. playlist is mentioned several times throughout the manual |
| 19:45:18 | obo | bluebrother: in the ipod OF, the Settings->About screen shows the firmware version and if it's windows formatted |
| 19:45:31 | bluebrother | no. Only the part that's relevant. |
| 19:45:36 | obo | obo: well, it does on a 5g |
| 19:45:41 | tucoz | got to get some food. bbl |
| 19:46:09 | bluebrother | as it's like "oh, I want to know about playlists. Look in the index as it is supposed to list all pages that actually say something useful for playlists" |
| 19:46:33 | bluebrother | obo, thanks. I assume it's the same on nano, and if not someone will complain ;-) |
| 19:46:45 | obo | true :) |
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| 19:58:11 | tucoz | bluebrother, i agree. Makes the indexing less automated though ;) |
| 19:59:37 | bluebrother | ipod 5g == video? |
| 19:59:48 | TeaSea | y |
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| 20:06:25 | bluebrother | hmm. I don't like the ipod installation repeating mostly equal stuff three times |
| 20:06:46 | godzirra | Sorry, was at lunch |
| 20:06:49 | godzirra | linuxstb_: still ther? |
| 20:06:51 | godzirra | there |
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| 20:09:28 | dpro | re |
| 20:09:53 | dpro | all ipod minis are 3rd gen or would a 2gen mini be 4th gen ipod ... this is so confusing ;) |
| 20:10:50 | dpro | I just found this ipod recording patch in flyspray and was wondering if that could be done on a mini (my video was stolen :((( ) |
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| 20:17:06 | godzirra | linuxstb_: you here now? |
| 20:17:13 | bluebrother | damn. Nested opt's don't seem to work :( |
| 20:17:28 | linuxstb_ | dpro: The 3g, 4g, and 5g are the full-size ipods. The mini (and Nano) are outside that series, and both have 1st and 2nd generation versions themselves. |
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| 20:18:11 | godzirra | linuxstb_: I did a complete restore then followed the step, step by step. I'm trying to paste the results, but it still didnt work. |
| 20:18:15 | linuxstb_ | dpro: But afaik, the minis can't record. |
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| 20:19:52 | bluebrother | argh. This installation source makes me dumb |
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| 20:24:20 | godzirra | linuxstb_: ok, I'm lost... what the heck am i doing wrong. |
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| 20:24:22 | godzirra | want me to repaste? |
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| 20:25:15 | godzirra | http://sial.org/pbot/20204 is my paste of what i've done |
| 20:26:16 | obo | godzirra: "Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)" You've got one of the new 5.5g ipods? |
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| 20:28:21 | bluebrother | can someone proof-read the adjusted nano install instructions? Those repeating text makes me dumb ... http://pastebin.ca/192135 |
| 20:28:31 | dpro | linuxstb_: ah ok thx |
| 20:29:24 | godzirra | obo: It doesnt appear so. I was told that the new ipods all end in a specific set of letters for the serial number |
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| 20:30:49 | linuxstb_ | Maybe the latest Apple firmware changes the sector size on all 5gs... |
| 20:30:49 | obo | godzirra: strange... the 2048 vs 512 sector issue is what's stopping the 5.5s from working with rockbox |
| 20:31:10 | linuxstb_ | It wouldn't surprise me - the hardware seems almost identical. |
| 20:31:24 | obo | linuxstb_: update to the flash as well then? |
| 20:31:37 | linuxstb_ | Yes, all Apple firmware upgrades upgrade the flash. |
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| 20:31:44 | godzirra | crap |
| 20:31:50 | godzirra | how do I downgrade my firmware? |
| 20:32:07 | godzirra | and what version do I want/need? |
| 20:32:44 | obo | 1.1 or 1.0 should be okay |
| 20:32:50 | godzirra | hmm |
| 20:32:53 | godzirra | any idea where I can get one of those? |
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| 20:35:44 | obo | http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters maybe? |
| 20:36:05 | godzirra | Thanks... i've been googling for it and failing |
| 20:36:38 | obo | no idea if those work, or how those work... I must have used different google keywords :) |
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| 20:37:50 | desowin | how can I reset my iPod when it freezed ? |
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| 20:38:22 | obo | Hold select and menu - tis in the FAQ/manual |
| 20:38:47 | godzirra | obo: apparently ;) ipod 1.1 firmware upgrade didnt work form e. |
| 20:38:50 | desowin | holding, but no effect :( |
| 20:39:01 | godzirra | I'm familiar with how the updaters work though. just hoping it doesnt try and be smart and not update cause its an older firmware. |
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| 20:39:47 | obo | desowin: hold is off? |
| 20:39:48 | desowin | oh, it worked |
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| 20:40:55 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: It wouldn't surprise me if your attempts to update fail. In which case, you'll have to wait until someone fixes Rockbox to work with disks with that sector size. |
| 20:41:55 | obo | would a raw apple firmware work? If it was extracted from an updater? |
| 20:43:16 | linuxstb_ | The problem could be that the firmware in flash is expecting a disk formatted with 2048-byte sectors - so it would read a firmware partition image based on 512-byte sectors. |
| 20:43:33 | linuxstb_ | ^wouldn't read a firmware... |
| 20:44:05 | linuxstb_ | But it's worth trying. |
| 20:45:25 | * | linuxstb_ considers upgrading his 5g with itunes7 to see what happens... |
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| 20:48:02 | tucoz | it might explode |
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| 20:48:52 | godzirra | obo: how could I extra the raw apple firmware from the updater? |
| 20:48:57 | godzirra | my attempts to downgrade did fail. |
| 20:49:12 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: ipodwizard |
| 20:49:41 | godzirra | I did find a howto to downgrade th3~ough. |
| 20:49:52 | godzirra | which says to download ipodwizard :) |
| 20:50:23 | linuxstb_ | When did you buy your 5g? |
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| 20:53:36 | godzirra | yesterday |
| 20:53:46 | godzirra | It was one of hte "old ipods" so was on sale for $229 |
| 20:53:58 | godzirra | hrm |
| 20:54:04 | godzirra | ipodwizard keeps telling me there's no ipod attached |
| 20:54:35 | bluey- | bah i can't mount my ipod over nfs as i want :( |
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| 20:57:34 | godzirra | yeah, freaking ipod wizard won't detect my ipod. |
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| 21:00:39 | Incer | Uhm... Hi.... |
| 21:00:52 | Incer | I needed an answer.... :) |
| 21:01:45 | godzirra | obo: ok, I've extracted the raw firmware... what do I -do- with it? |
| 21:02:05 | Incer | I do have a video iPod, and I use it with my Kenwood car stereo, through an adapter. Does rockbox have support for it? |
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| 21:11:33 | obo | godzirra: dd it to the firmware partition |
| 21:13:13 | godzirra | obo: ok, the file I extracted was IDR_FIRMWARE-13.6.1.1 |
| 21:13:16 | godzirra | is that the file I dd? |
| 21:14:10 | obo | it should be about 12mb? |
| 21:14:13 | godzirra | ok |
| 21:14:16 | godzirra | thats it then |
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| 21:17:56 | godzirra | erk |
| 21:18:18 | godzirra | obo: ok, I did dd if=IDR_FIRMWARE-13.6.1.1 of=/dev/sdb1 |
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| 21:18:31 | godzirra | it didnt work. same "connect your computer so ituns can restore it" |
| 21:18:44 | obo | yeah, looks like the right dd command |
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| 21:19:56 | godzirra | sigh |
| 21:20:51 | obo | I don't think there is any other way round it, apart from waiting for 2048 sector support |
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| 21:23:52 | godzirra | is that even in the works? |
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| 21:24:50 | obo | theres a posting on the forum where a couple of people were looking into it, but I don't know what the progress is. |
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| 21:27:15 | godzirra | darnit. :/ |
| 21:27:35 | godzirra | all the awys to downgrade apparently dont work anymore. |
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| 21:30:23 | obo | Incer: does the adapter plug in through the dock or headphone socket? |
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| 21:39:36 | godzirra | sigh. |
| 21:39:44 | godzirra | oh well. I guess its itunes for me then :/ |
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| 21:44:43 | godzirra | ok, it looks like dr. moreau said he got the ipodpatcher working |
| 21:44:57 | godzirra | and that the hardware is the asme for the 5.5g as the 5g (at least for the 30 gig version) |
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| 21:48:45 | godzirra | rockbox has an 'official installer' for ipod? |
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| 21:52:17 | godzirra | anyone have any comments on that? |
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| 21:54:14 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: No, there's no official ipod installer for Rockbox. |
| 21:54:43 | godzirra | ok... the info on the rockbox forums is somewhat confusing |
| 21:54:51 | godzirra | it claims there is an easy way to install on the 5g's with 1.2 |
| 21:54:54 | godzirra | but I dont see how that can possibly work. |
| 21:55:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It can work pretty easily |
| 21:56:03 | godzirra | please do share paul.. i've been trying to get it to work all morning |
| 21:56:28 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: godzirra appears to have an old 5g with 2048-byte sectors... |
| 21:56:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 5Gs with 1.2 have the same installation process as always, don't they? The only difference is the missing sysinfo, which is unnecessary to the installation process. |
| 21:56:41 | godzirra | ipodpatcher doesnt detect my ipod. |
| 21:56:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | If they're 2048 byte sectors, it's a 5.5G then, isn't it? |
| 21:56:56 | godzirra | and I've tried multiple times in linux with ipod_fw |
| 21:57:06 | godzirra | Paul_The_Nerd: no. 5.5G also has 2048 byte sectors |
| 21:57:11 | godzirra | but so does 5g with the 1.2 firmware |
| 21:57:30 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Apple have a list of serial numbers which they say are "Late 2006" 5gs. gidzirra's ipod doesn't match. |
| 21:57:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | So when you upgrade to 1.2, it changes the sector size? |
| 21:57:42 | godzirra | apparently. |
| 21:57:46 | godzirra | mine came with 1.2 |
| 21:57:48 | godzirra | I think... |
| 21:57:54 | godzirra | itunes may have upgraded it. |
| 21:57:59 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: The odd thing is no-one else has reported such a problem. |
| 21:58:00 | godzirra | or I may have upgraded it the first time I did a restore |
| 21:58:01 | godzirra | i'm not sure. |
| 21:58:11 | godzirra | linuxstb_: with ipodpatcher not showign it? |
| 21:58:14 | godzirra | yes they have... :) |
| 21:58:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | People have installed Rockbox on 1.2 5Gs successfully. |
| 21:58:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | On an old 5G, the sector size stays the same. |
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| 21:58:55 | godzirra | then wtf. |
| 21:59:03 | linuxstb_ | Maybe it's OK if you upgrade to 1.2, but a restore could change the format. |
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| 21:59:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently the new 5Gs are formatted like the 5.5Gs |
| 21:59:05 | godzirra | I got a 5.5g and apple just screwed up? |
| 21:59:23 | godzirra | i dunno, I just want to get rockbox installed :/ |
| 21:59:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, restore likely does it too |
| 21:59:28 | godzirra | and i'm at a loss as to what to do now |
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| 21:59:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Considering that the 5Gs and the 5.5Gs are pretty much identical, I'd imagine they'd "restore" to the same sector size, probably |
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| 21:59:51 | Incer | Doh, I went away and I didn't see your reply, obo. I hope you're still here... Anyway it plugs in the connector port, on the bottom. |
| 21:59:52 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: You have to wait for someone to fix Rockbox. |
| 21:59:59 | godzirra | sigh. |
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| 22:00:07 | godzirra | linuxstb_: I saw that DrMoreau had fixed the patcher apparently. |
| 22:00:12 | godzirra | if I use his fixed patcher, shuold rockbox work? |
| 22:00:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | For all practical purposes, yours is a 5.5G now. |
| 22:00:19 | godzirra | *should |
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| 22:00:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Without the brighter screen |
| 22:00:26 | godzirra | Paul_The_Nerd: bah. |
| 22:00:28 | obo | Incer: can you control the ipod via the kenwood unit? |
| 22:00:32 | Incer | Yes |
| 22:00:58 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: No, it's more than ipodpatcher that needs fixing - Rockbox's ATA/FAT drivers need adapting. |
| 22:01:06 | godzirra | ok. :( |
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| 22:01:13 | obo | then I doubt it will work with rockbox - sounds like it uses the accessory protocol |
| 22:01:17 | * | godzirra goes to read and see if ipodlinux can do it for now then. |
| 22:01:23 | Incer | it's a KCA-iP500 |
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| 22:01:34 | Incer | The adapter, I mean |
| 22:01:52 | godzirra | I hate people that force upgrades. |
| 22:02:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shouldn't have bought an iPod then |
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| 22:03:06 | godzirra | ipodlinux doesnt detect it as an ipod either |
| 22:03:08 | godzirra | nor does ipodwizard |
| 22:03:24 | godzirra | Paul_The_Nerd: If I cuold find an iriver that wasnt $250 bucks for a 6 gig drive, I would have bought another iriver :/ |
| 22:03:27 | Incer | Can I dual boot in the apple firmware and use that when I connect the iPod to the stereo, or is there any problem? |
| 22:03:45 | godzirra | the i10 is 250 for 6 gigs though. |
| 22:04:21 | Soap_OutOfTown | Incer: there should be no reason you can't |
| 22:05:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Incer: So long as you use iTunes to transfer the music |
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| 22:05:43 | Incer | I thought that maybe the bootloader changed something, but I guess it doesn't... |
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| 22:06:49 | Incer | God, I hate that apple firmware... If it wasn't for the car stereo... :'( |
| 22:07:35 | petur | my last link for this night ;) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/05/hw_ipod_nano_discolour/ |
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| 22:49:28 | hcs | should I be able to throw together my own profiling by polling ci->current_tick? |
| 22:51:54 | preglow | depends, the tick timer isn't very high accuracy |
| 22:51:59 | preglow | why not use a profiling build? |
| 22:52:22 | hcs | doesn't fit in memory, and someone suggested that it wouldn't work with arm |
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| 22:52:37 | preglow | right, arm needs a parser |
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| 22:52:40 | preglow | that's on my todo list, actually |
| 22:53:02 | hcs | is there a register on arm that keeps an accurate count? anything else I could use? |
| 22:53:04 | preglow | but yeah, for your own profiling builds, it might be wiser to use the user timer |
| 22:53:23 | preglow | firmware/timer.c |
| 22:53:29 | preglow | i think it's exported to plugins |
| 22:54:43 | hcs | maybe I'm missing something, can I use this for elapsed time? |
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| 22:56:32 | linuxstb | On the ipod/H10 you can use USEC_TIMER to for a microsecond timer. |
| 22:56:50 | hcs | linuxstb: thank you, I'll see if that is useful |
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| 22:57:08 | hcs | I don't know what kind of times I'm dealing with here... |
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| 23:01:00 | Dma-Sc | hi |
| 23:03:19 | Dma-Sc | it seems rb builds released after 20060928 won't work on my brother's H10 5gb. it boots, reaches the directory listing, switching from numeric volume display to graphical, but it's not responding to any control, have you heard of this problem? |
| 23:04:06 | barrywardell | that's the first I've heard of it |
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| 23:04:40 | barrywardell | have you made sure to delete your rockbox.h10 and .rockbox before unzipping the new rockbox.zip? |
| 23:04:46 | Dma-Sc | yes |
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| 23:06:32 | Dma-Sc | i tried several daily builds after discovering the problem and only the one from 20060928 will work ok (which is a shame because the bettery life seems to have been increased in the recent ones ;) |
| 23:06:58 | Dma-Sc | bettery > battery |
| 23:07:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean by "switching from numeric volume display to graphical" |
| 23:07:16 | barrywardell | support for the remote was added on the 29th. maybe that introduced a problem |
| 23:07:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you mean that you can do that, or that that happens when you install the build? |
| 23:08:07 | Soap_OutOfTown | I don't know what the H10 command is, but did you reset settings upon booting the new build for the first time? |
| 23:08:10 | Dma-Sc | i just mean when it first displays numerical value then graphical after having booted |
| 23:08:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dma-Sc: Could you clarify further, I still have no idea what you mean. "At first"? |
| 23:08:51 | barrywardell | reset settings is to have hold on while rockbox is starting up |
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| 23:09:27 | Dma-Sc | barrywardell : ah i'll try that right now then |
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| 23:10:15 | MadHatter` | hey |
| 23:10:28 | barrywardell | you have to switch hold on after turning the power on (but before the rockbox logo) since the iriver bootloader won't let the system start up if hold is on when it starts |
| 23:10:56 | Dma-Sc | Paul_The_Nerd : well when rockbox reachs the directory listening it first displays volume in the status bar as numeric, then as grahic |
| 23:11:03 | MadHatter` | is there anybody here taht can help me with prc files |
| 23:11:48 | bluebrother | prc? Sounds like Palm program files |
| 23:11:52 | MadHatter` | ya |
| 23:11:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does that have to do with Rockbox? |
| 23:12:53 | MadHatter` | absolutly nothing |
| 23:13:00 | MadHatter` | im coming here for desperate help |
| 23:13:07 | MadHatter` | i know u guys r great at pc's |
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| 23:14:51 | Dma-Sc | setting have been reseted (displayed "cleared" under rockbox), but it's still having a problem, i guess it's the same problem has before only i didn't played with hold button, i'll explain... |
| 23:16:38 | Dma-Sc | when hold is on, some buttons are responding but all they do is scrolling down, it's the case for touch pad up, touch pad down and the 'o' key |
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| 23:17:56 | Dma-Sc | but when hold is off nothing is responding |
| 23:17:59 | barrywardell | does it recognise when hold is switched on and off. ie does the hold icon show up? |
| 23:18:14 | Dma-Sc | yep |
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| 23:21:45 | Dma-Sc | wow, now as hold is off, if i press 'o' it scrolls down and loops for a long time, hanging sometimes and stopping after something like 1 min |
| 23:21:54 | barrywardell | do you know how to compile your own build? if so, you could try undoing the changes here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-h10.c.diff?r1=1.9&r2=1.10 |
| 23:22:05 | barrywardell | and see if it works then |
| 23:22:19 | barrywardell | they're the changes made to the button code on the 29th |
| 23:22:36 | Dma-Sc | i guess the controls are pretty messed up yeah |
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| 23:23:37 | Dma-Sc | i once compiled a simulator build, i just have to find the explanations on the wiki for a proper "real" build? |
| 23:24:17 | scorche | Dma-Sc: it is quite simple |
| 23:24:30 | scorche | n instead of s and make zip instead of make install |
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| 23:26:09 | Dma-Sc | ah i still have the windows tools for compiling rockbox depacked here |
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| 23:28:17 | Dma-Sc | barrywardell : i should just grab the latest source and replace button-h10.c with v1.9? |
| 23:28:32 | barrywardell | exactly, should work I think |
| 23:29:07 | barrywardell | also grab button-target.h v1.1 |
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| 23:29:58 | Dma-Sc | ok |
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| 23:39:16 | Dma-Sc | the latest source dir was from 20051206, no change in the windows compilation pack since then? it should compile latest source allright? |
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| 23:45:57 | Dma-Sc | ah it misses arm-elf-gcc compiler |
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| 23:52:49 | Soap_OutOfTown | hmm |
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