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| 00:00:58 | unstable | Where can I get screenshots? |
| 00:01:26 | Dma-Sc | bah i'm setting up an environnement following the latest cygwin instruction, so that it'll be fine |
| 00:02:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | unstable: Have you looked in the manual? |
| 00:07:03 | unstable | ahh, I see |
| 00:07:05 | unstable | thanks Paul_The_Nerd |
| 00:09:03 | unstable | Does Rockbox support ogg(theora+vorbis) and/or ogm(theora+vorbis)? |
| 00:09:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox doesn't support Theora at all |
| 00:09:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is why it's not listed as doing so anywhere... |
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| 00:11:03 | preglow | unstable: only video rockbox somewhat supports is mpeg1/2 |
| 00:11:14 | preglow | unstable: theora is probably way to cpu intensive for rockbox to be able to use it very well |
| 00:12:01 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: can you add an option from within the mobile version of the forums to return to the regular version?...recently, i have been accessing the phone version when the regular version is better for my phone |
| 00:13:29 | unstable | What is a good portable music playing device to buy? archos/ipod/creative/iriver? |
| 00:13:47 | unstable | Is there a site anywhere comparing average lifetime until death? |
| 00:14:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: In all honesty, I haven't yet looked at the mobile version's source at all so I don't know what I can/cannot do. Have you tried going to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?; instead of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?;wap2 ? |
| 00:14:42 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i havent messed with it yet...but i will try |
| 00:15:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: I remember finding some way to change what parameter I passed index.php to get the normal version, but I honestly can't remember what right now. I just know I've gotten to it on my phone |
| 00:15:26 | scorche | yeah...i used to go to the reg version |
| 00:15:37 | scorche | but something was changed in the past few weeks i guess |
| 00:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's strange. I haven't changed anything in the last few weeks, other than putting up the new menu bar. |
| 00:16:22 | scorche | month or 2? |
| 00:16:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe when I updated the software version the forum was running n? |
| 00:17:00 | scorche | possibly |
| 00:17:30 | scorche | ugh...blazer is getting on my nerves...i wonder if i should just get opera (but it takes up so much space!) |
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| 00:23:51 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i will get back to you...need to fix this browser... |
| 00:25:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ok |
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| 01:30:12 | Dma-Sc | ok so i compiled rockbox for h10 5gb with sources changes : apps/keymaps/keymap-h10.c 1.9, firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-h10.c 1.9 & firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-target.h 1.1 |
| 01:30:25 | Dma-Sc | and now the controls works fine |
| 01:30:47 | Dma-Sc | so that remote support really introduced bugs on this |
| 01:34:06 | Dma-Sc | bye all |
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| 02:56:39 | d1ry4n | Can someone tell me what my cheapest target HW platform would be? I don't wan't to use my main player for development. |
| 02:58:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | What exactly are you asking? |
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| 02:58:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | What kind of development were you planning to do, and why can't you use your main player? |
| 02:58:40 | NsN | I don't really know about the archos and iriver players, but you could try to get a refurbished ipod nano for about 90$ |
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| 02:59:20 | NsN | Just don't get one of the new ones with the full metal casing |
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| 03:00:23 | d1ry4n | I'm looking at doing application feature development, possibly porting as well. I have a Sansa e250 and I don't want to take the chance of destroying it. |
| 03:00:28 | NsN | But i guess you could get one of the iriver or archos player for less, if you look around on ebay |
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| 03:01:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | d1ry4n: I believe the only people who've destroyed theirs overwrote the bootloader, right? |
| 03:01:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | d1ry4n: But for something similar, an iPod Nano would be ideal. |
| 03:01:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: Actually, you're going to be hard pressed to find a Rockbox supported iRiver for less than a Nano. |
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| 03:02:26 | d1ry4n | Eventually I'll be taking it apart to mess around inside, and I'm gonna break it. It's gonna happen, I'm sure of it. |
| 03:03:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, taking it apart is different from application development by a long shot. |
| 03:03:50 | d1ry4n | yes. but, i can't resist hardware. |
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| 03:04:35 | d1ry4n | thanks for the tips everyone! |
| 03:05:01 | NsN | You're welcome |
| 03:05:35 | pagefault | iriver is selling refurb h320 for $160 |
| 03:06:00 | pagefault | I think |
| 03:06:03 | pagefault | something around that range |
| 03:07:08 | NsN | If i understand the homepage correctly there is no difference between the ipod and other players, in regard to the rockbox features, right? |
| 03:07:31 | NsN | Negative differences for the ipod i mean. |
| 03:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPod's a bit earlier in development so the battery life isn't great yet. |
| 03:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the equalizer can cause the music to skip because things aren't as optimized as they could be. |
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| 03:08:47 | NsN | I remember that some time ago a few features weren't available for the ipod, but now it seems, that the ipod actually has more than some of the other players. |
| 03:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Features like what? |
| 03:09:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other than things like FM radio, which only works on players that actually have a radio chip, Rockbox features are nearly identical on all targets since it's actually the same software being run on all of them |
| 03:10:04 | pagefault | h10 is wonderful too if you can find a 5/6gb model |
| 03:10:16 | pagefault | 20gb can be annoyance due to MTP |
| 03:10:32 | NsN | Well, on the page it says e.g. that doom is not possible on Archos models. I think i saw something like that for ipods as well (that was about 6 months ago) |
| 03:11:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom isn't really a feature. |
| 03:11:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the Archoses are just far too slow (hardware restricts it) |
| 03:11:11 | pagefault | doom is just a "wow it runs it" |
| 03:11:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it plays fine on the iPods nowadays |
| 03:11:37 | JdGordon | no, doom isnt really usable on the ipod |
| 03:11:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: The controls suck. |
| 03:11:45 | JdGordon | the kjeys ont work too well |
| 03:11:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's perfectly playable |
| 03:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've beaten several levels |
| 03:11:55 | pagefault | ipod what |
| 03:11:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nano |
| 03:12:08 | pagefault | ah |
| 03:12:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 03:12:15 | pagefault | yeah I can't play it on my h10 |
| 03:12:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5/6gb? |
| 03:12:28 | JdGordon | doom on the h300 is a fair bit better :p cept those keys break your fingers after a while :p |
| 03:12:29 | pagefault | the keys are too awkwrd |
| 03:12:30 | pagefault | 5gb |
| 03:12:41 | pagefault | but it runs full speed |
| 03:12:47 | pagefault | or at least fast enough to play |
| 03:13:26 | pagefault | I wish I could hook a keyboard up to it |
| 03:13:34 | pagefault | or a gamepad |
| 03:13:52 | pagefault | maybe something rigged through the remote port |
| 03:14:23 | NsN | Which of the supported players would be the most powerful in terms of mhz / mips / flops or something like that? |
| 03:14:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: Depends on how you're judging |
| 03:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iRiver H100/H300 and iAudio X5 are all clocked up to 124mhz, but the iPod has two 75mhz cores. |
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| 03:15:41 | NsN | Yeah, but the second core on the ipod is only used in maybe 3 programs so far |
| 03:16:06 | JdGordon | im not actually sure if anything uses the 2nd core yet |
| 03:16:11 | NsN | All of those are ARM cores? |
| 03:16:39 | JdGordon | no, iriver hxxx and x5 are coldire |
| 03:16:42 | pagefault | I think everything is done on the same core right now |
| 03:17:12 | NsN | I know that the ipodlinux gameboy emulator uses the second core, and i think idoom does as well, so the rockdoom might also use it. |
| 03:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: iRiver H100/H300 and iAudio X5 are m68k, the Archos models are SH1, and the iPods and H10 are ARM7 |
| 03:17:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: Rockdoom is not based off of iDoom. |
| 03:17:38 | JdGordon | NsN: iPL and rockbox share no code |
| 03:17:41 | NsN | So they are even less comparable... |
| 03:17:43 | pagefault | I got another hour out of that recent patch for the H10 though |
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| 03:17:51 | pagefault | so the battery life is getting better on that |
| 03:18:19 | NsN | Ah, sorry, i thought that was some kind of joint project |
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| 03:19:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope, we've used some of their code for the hardware bits, but almost anything application-level is completely unrelated. |
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| 03:20:56 | NsN | Hmm, that seems like a bit of a waste, But then again most users seem to think that there is a direct competition between rockbox and ipodlinux... |
| 03:21:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | How is it a waste? |
| 03:21:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | iPodLinux is linux based, with very different goals than the Rockbox project, so there's not terribly much to be reused. |
| 03:22:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, Rockbox's goals include being cross-platform. |
| 03:22:24 | NsN | The code could not be reused directly hardware wise, but maybe on algorithm level. |
| 03:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | For what? |
| 03:22:46 | bawb2 | can anybody point me to some web resources on c programming and audio? |
| 03:23:10 | pagefault | considering ipodlinux doesn't run on anything not an ipod |
| 03:23:13 | * | scorche points bawb2 to www.google.com |
| 03:23:14 | pagefault | I don't see how it's a competition |
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| 03:23:24 | NsN | For example the mpeg-plugin, i guess there is quite a lot of optimisation in there |
| 03:23:26 | pagefault | or some kind of code competition |
| 03:23:33 | pagefault | rockbox is like a firmware replacement |
| 03:23:38 | bawb2 | scorche: i've tried many queries, i'm not exactly sure how to find these things |
| 03:23:39 | scorche | not like..is |
| 03:23:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: Well, iPodLinux is free to use our MPEG code if they want. It is GPLed. |
| 03:23:44 | NsN | bawb2: for windows, linux, rockbox, mac os? |
| 03:23:46 | pagefault | yeah |
| 03:23:51 | pagefault | is what I mean |
| 03:24:00 | pagefault | rather than trying to be an OS and more |
| 03:24:08 | scorche | bawb2: if you want to find out about something, wikipedia is good as well |
| 03:24:24 | bawb2 | NsN: well, im developing on linux, but my goal is for rockbox |
| 03:24:53 | NsN | bawb2: For linux you might want to search for oss or Open Sound System |
| 03:25:08 | pagefault | if you are one of the people like me then rockbox is the only way you will get vorbis or aac or things like that |
| 03:25:15 | pagefault | who have a H10 |
| 03:25:16 | NsN | bawb2: http://www.4front-tech.com/pguide/audio.html |
| 03:25:22 | pagefault | because iriver will never do it |
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| 03:26:44 | NsN | pagefault: I've got a nano, right now i'm using the default firmware and rockbox for audio, rockbox for some games (bubbles) and ipodlinux for a few useful programs and videos |
| 03:26:44 | pagefault | still waiting on that audible support that was on the box |
| 03:26:51 | pagefault | but was never in the player |
| 03:28:00 | pagefault | NsN, I do that also for my H10 but because rockbox doesn't support the FM tuner in it yet |
| 03:28:00 | NsN | Yes, rockbox is definately the best way to get support for additional codecs, or just to use the player as a "drag and drop player" |
| 03:28:05 | pagefault | or the recorder |
| 03:28:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Ever considered contacting some sort of consumer protection agency regarding the false packaging? |
| 03:28:50 | pagefault | Paul_The_Nerd, sometimes but it probably won't get me anywhere |
| 03:28:58 | pagefault | they are based in korea, what is going to happen |
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| 03:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: True, and it's not even an actively sold product these days, I suppose. |
| 03:30:00 | pagefault | Paul_The_Nerd, it wasn't the reason I bought the player but for someone who might have it would not be nice for them |
| 03:30:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially since iRiver was advertising Audible support. |
| 03:30:51 | pagefault | so I am resulting to grey area methods of playing my books which I purchashed |
| 03:30:59 | pagefault | excuse me, purchased |
| 03:31:30 | pagefault | I am just happy rockbox does bookmarks |
| 03:31:34 | pagefault | it makes it a huge help |
| 03:32:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've resorted to a few of those gray area methods myself, before I got a nano. |
| 03:32:54 | pagefault | yeah probably my next player will be a nano |
| 03:33:06 | pagefault | but we'll see what iriver comes out with, so far they are only dealing with low end stuff |
| 03:33:54 | pagefault | something with a removable battery is nice though |
| 03:34:04 | pagefault | I have two of them so I just swap when I need to |
| 03:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's part of why I like the Sansa. |
| 03:34:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd love it if it either supported Audible content, or we got Rockbox working on it. Either one would be good. |
| 03:35:22 | pagefault | well I work on zsnes which was all reverse engineering the snes, you just need to know whats in it |
| 03:35:33 | pagefault | and find some docs if you are lucky |
| 03:35:40 | pagefault | and mostly run your own tests |
| 03:35:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not gonna happen with the PortalPlayer chipset. |
| 03:35:46 | NsN | I was just wondering how much interest is there for video support on rockbox and how fast the development of mpegplayer is going. |
| 03:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the frustrating part is that it has a *lot* of hardware on the chip. Like, I believe, the USB controller. |
| 03:36:30 | pagefault | a lot of co-processors like on-cart stuff like DSP-1 used on mario kart was all done by just feeding it values and recording the data |
| 03:36:42 | pagefault | and figuring out what each register did |
| 03:36:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: Frankly, many of us just don't care, since we bought our devices to be music players. But what's holding it back is that the person who did most of the up front work is waiting for Dual Core support to be working on the iPod targets. And nobody with an iRiver wants it enough to work on the audio support for the iRivers, or optimizations. |
| 03:36:46 | pagefault | not a fun process |
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| 03:37:52 | pagefault | well I would love to help |
| 03:37:58 | pagefault | but I don't know enough about my player |
| 03:38:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which player do you have? |
| 03:38:12 | NsN | Paul_The_Nerd: Yepp, i'm pretty sure that the audio part won't work without the coprocessor. I'm quite impressed that the whole video part works |
| 03:38:18 | pagefault | H10 5gb |
| 03:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Have you been here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port |
| 03:39:07 | pagefault | I have but the problem is I am totally lost in the code |
| 03:39:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Ah, just making sure you knew where we kept our datasheets, scans, etc. |
| 03:39:25 | pagefault | yeah I have all those |
| 03:39:49 | pagefault | I made an attempt at getting the tuner working |
| 03:40:00 | pagefault | but there were so many ifdefs for the other players I couldn't find them all |
| 03:40:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: It'll certainly help a lot. In theory, if audio were handled by the COP, we could get the same framerates we already do after adding audio. |
| 03:40:07 | pagefault | and it was such a pain I gave up |
| 03:40:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: We're working on the IFDEF hell. |
| 03:40:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | The main problem is that Rockbox wasn't originally expected to spread out like this, so it's having to be reorganized and cleaned up. |
| 03:40:46 | pagefault | I work for a CCTV company so I am very familiar with how encoders/tuners embedded processors work |
| 03:40:53 | pagefault | it's just the rockbox code that makes me lost |
| 03:40:58 | NsN | I was thinking about adding support for the mvpd format used by the experimental ipodlinux player, but it really depends how close the audio support is and if anybody would be interested |
| 03:41:46 | pagefault | so right now I am just trying random stuff to see where it gets me and find out if I can do something useful |
| 03:41:53 | pagefault | and reading other people's commits to learn |
| 03:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: Why does it matter if anyone here would be interested. If you'd like the feature, create a plugin for it, and post your code to the tracker. I'm sure plenty of users would like *any* video with sound. |
| 03:42:41 | pagefault | like I can get SPC support working but if you ask me to put it in the menu don't ask me how to do that hehe |
| 03:43:01 | NsN | Paul_The_Nerd: I myself use ipodlinux to play the videos, but in theory it should work a bit smoother on rockbox, since there is less system overhead. |
| 03:43:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, SPC should be a codec anyway, right? |
| 03:43:07 | pagefault | yeah |
| 03:43:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | NsN: In theory, yes. |
| 03:43:14 | pagefault | I just don't know how to display the file info |
| 03:43:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 03:43:20 | pagefault | or any of that jazz |
| 03:43:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | File Info, as in? |
| 03:43:59 | pagefault | well the SPC's have a tag that say what game they are from, composer, year and etc |
| 03:44:05 | pagefault | would be nice to display that |
| 03:44:09 | pagefault | sort of similar to ID3 |
| 03:44:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah. |
| 03:44:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you've looked at the various other metadata parsers to see how they load up the ID3 structure? |
| 03:44:57 | pagefault | sort of |
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| 03:45:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 03:45:09 | pagefault | i'll find my way eventually |
| 03:45:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not really familiar with that area, so, yeah. :) |
| 03:45:11 | pagefault | it is open source |
| 03:45:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 03:45:35 | pagefault | taking a look at stuff like the module patch is a good place to start to add things |
| 03:47:15 | pagefault | right now i'm more interested in optimizing the h10 port a bit mores |
| 03:47:22 | pagefault | s/mores/more |
| 03:47:29 | pagefault | so I can use the EQ without it crapping out on me |
| 03:47:54 | pagefault | but I guess that would be a big job since I think that would require offloading a lot of work onto the other core |
| 03:49:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually other things you can do that'll help would be figuring out how to speed up screen drawing, and /or text writing (which i guess it part of it. |
| 03:49:45 | pagefault | ah |
| 03:49:49 | pagefault | is that an issue |
| 03:49:50 | pagefault | hmm |
| 03:50:15 | pagefault | I guess I should go look at that code then |
| 03:50:35 | pagefault | would explain why certain themes make it skip |
| 03:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Screen updates are, so I've heard, one of the more cpu eating parts of normal operation |
| 03:51:23 | pagefault | sometimes I need to go into browser mode to just play something without skipping ;) |
| 03:51:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which WPS are you using? |
| 03:52:00 | pagefault | icatcher |
| 03:52:05 | pagefault | it seems fine with most stuff |
| 03:52:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird |
| 03:52:23 | pagefault | it's mainly when I touch the EQ it becomes a problem |
| 03:52:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 03:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. |
| 03:53:04 | pagefault | however it's still better than the stock firmware |
| 03:53:45 | pagefault | having to use that stupid thing to build a db of my files |
| 03:53:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:54:15 | pagefault | I just want to copy it over and play it |
| 03:54:19 | pagefault | and rockbox does that |
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| 03:54:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's quite good at that, yeah. :) |
| 03:55:10 | pagefault | I usually have it on long enough it makes up it's own id3 db as well |
| 03:55:15 | pagefault | heh |
| 03:55:17 | pagefault | so it's get a lot of use |
| 03:56:03 | pagefault | probably also killing performance |
| 03:56:05 | pagefault | I should turn it off |
| 03:56:13 | pagefault | use the perl script instead |
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| 03:57:15 | pagefault | I use amarok to sync so at least they have an option now so I can run that to generate my db when I sync |
| 03:58:42 | NsN | I've got to get some sleep now. Thanks for all the Info. Good Night! |
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| 04:03:29 | pagefault | I wonder if I can get rockbox ported to my iriver slimx |
| 04:03:30 | pagefault | heh |
| 04:03:36 | pagefault | I doubt it has enough firmware room |
| 04:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Rockbox doesn't really require much space in flash. |
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| 04:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually we put a very small bootloader in flash, and then Rockbox itself is loaded from disk |
| 04:05:08 | pagefault | it would just be interested to see a cd player play a SID file |
| 04:05:09 | pagefault | heh |
| 04:05:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:05:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd probably need to have Rockbox be present on each CD then. =/ |
| 04:05:47 | pagefault | problem is that you can brick those easily if you do something wrong |
| 04:05:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be an interesting challenge. :-P |
| 04:06:06 | pagefault | you burn the firmware to a cd |
| 04:06:12 | pagefault | then it flashes itself |
| 04:06:19 | pagefault | not sure how foolproof it is |
| 04:07:31 | pagefault | although I did almost brick my brother's slimx |
| 04:07:35 | pagefault | got all crap on the LCD |
| 04:07:45 | pagefault | but all I did was power down and it reflashed again somehow |
| 04:07:48 | pagefault | and it was all good |
| 04:07:52 | pagefault | so who knows |
| 04:08:16 | hcs | crazy people love to flash |
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| 04:08:31 | pagefault | for vorbis support I will risk it |
| 04:08:32 | pagefault | hehe |
| 04:08:55 | pagefault | the instructions were burn at 4x or lower |
| 04:09:03 | pagefault | and plug into AC |
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| 04:11:04 | pagefault | hmm the 550 has 16Mb of flashrom |
| 04:11:10 | pagefault | that is large enough for rockbox |
| 04:11:30 | hcs | that's large enough to hold a state fair in |
| 04:11:41 | pagefault | Mb = Mbits |
| 04:11:42 | pagefault | :P |
| 04:11:56 | pagefault | so 2 MB |
| 04:12:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which, without all the fonts or the AAC codec is still enough I think. |
| 04:12:27 | pagefault | too bad I know nothing about how it works |
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| 04:12:38 | Soap_OutOfTown | I was a happy camper when I got my 80col +64kB card for my Apple. |
| 04:13:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd probably be an unnecessarily frustrating effort to get it working on a Slimx |
| 04:13:21 | pagefault | I remmber they give you a choice of mp3+ogg or mp3+wma |
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| 04:13:29 | pagefault | because there was not enough room for both |
| 04:13:33 | hcs | heh |
| 04:13:34 | pagefault | according to them |
| 04:13:38 | pagefault | so it's not a hard choice |
| 04:13:57 | hcs | yeah, who wants wma |
| 04:14:18 | pagefault | then it's like 256kbps max vorbis or something |
| 04:14:25 | scorche | a number of people on the forums... |
| 04:14:27 | pagefault | which is more than enough for most files |
| 04:14:57 | hcs | meh, give me a synthesized format any day and I'll be happy |
| 04:15:04 | pagefault | to be honest all my vorbis are 128kbps |
| 04:15:08 | pagefault | and they sound fine |
| 04:15:19 | hcs | I'm tweaking the NES APU for speed/quality tradeoff at the moment |
| 04:15:44 | | Part pixelma |
| 04:16:35 | pagefault | yeah thats always fun |
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| 04:16:43 | pagefault | you are going to run into some problem games |
| 04:17:09 | hcs | there are some that run full speed with full synthesis |
| 04:17:24 | hcs | Metal Gear, some of Castlevania |
| 04:17:34 | pagefault | I just mean some are extremely sensitive |
| 04:17:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mmm.... Castlevania |
| 04:18:05 | pagefault | i've had to throw some of the SPC accurcy out the window as well |
| 04:18:15 | pagefault | opcode counter rather than cycle counter |
| 04:18:22 | pagefault | much faster but far less accurate |
| 04:18:32 | hcs | my test nsf at the moment is Zelda, it has high pitches on both triangle and square, and I haven't started on figuring out noise just yet |
| 04:19:11 | pagefault | if I could figure out how to use the second core on my player I could do full accuracy |
| 04:19:14 | hcs | I threw out the cycle counter altogether and it didn't help much, the CPU emulator is only about 5-10% |
| 04:19:16 | pagefault | and just do the DSP work on one |
| 04:19:21 | pagefault | and the SPC work on the other |
| 04:19:23 | pagefault | and be fine |
| 04:19:49 | hcs | the problem here is that I don't know too much about signal theory |
| 04:20:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Yeah, but what about single-core targets. |
| 04:20:24 | pagefault | Paul_The_Nerd, hopefully they are fast enough to handle both |
| 04:20:31 | pagefault | what is the slowest one going |
| 04:20:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The SH1 targets don't count. :-P |
| 04:20:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, 124mhz |
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| 04:21:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | But really, if you had a whole 75mhz ARM7 core without the overhead of the rest of Rockbox, I bet it'd be fast enough too |
| 04:21:30 | pagefault | i'm getting lots of funny results using different versions of gcc |
| 04:21:36 | pagefault | some give me great fast code |
| 04:21:38 | pagefault | some give me awful code |
| 04:22:14 | pagefault | but I see the recommended compiler is still gcc 3.6 |
| 04:22:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | No... |
| 04:22:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | For ARM it's not. |
| 04:22:27 | pagefault | oh really? |
| 04:22:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's either 4.0 or 4.1 |
| 04:22:48 | pagefault | i'm using CVS right now :X |
| 04:23:13 | pagefault | i'm going to install 4.1 and see what happens |
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| 04:24:17 | pagefault | I will have some kind of patch in 2-3 weeks I think |
| 04:24:23 | pagefault | 2-3 weeks estimate |
| 04:24:34 | hcs | I, on the other hand, have no pride, so my crap is up now. |
| 04:24:44 | pagefault | just going to hell trying to get this happy on all your targets |
| 04:25:00 | pagefault | I have a H10 and an ipod mini to test with |
| 04:25:11 | pagefault | both pretty much the same I think |
| 04:25:50 | pagefault | i'll have to steal my friend's x-audio |
| 04:25:56 | pagefault | iaudio rather |
| 04:26:27 | bawb2 | they are quite fun |
| 04:26:32 | scorche | pagefault: we dont estimate dates here ;) |
| 04:26:43 | pagefault | well I am just giving a rough idea |
| 04:26:48 | scorche | even that! |
| 04:26:54 | pagefault | it's done when it's done I guess |
| 04:26:59 | scorche | bingo! |
| 04:27:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well I mean, as long as you aren't doing code that's relying on endianness (or wrap in the appropriate macros so you know that it's changed to what you expect it to be) and for any ASM bits you have appropriate C alternates, it should work on any target, right? |
| 04:27:29 | pagefault | no my code is endian happy |
| 04:27:31 | pagefault | it doesn't care |
| 04:27:56 | pagefault | it should compile on any CPU |
| 04:28:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, you really only need to get it working on the CPUs you can test with, so long as it compiles and "theoretically should run" on the other CPUs, people will often pick it up and try to get it working for the other ones. |
| 04:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, if you do it, that increases the odds greatly that it'll get done ;) |
| 04:29:01 | pagefault | well I will try for ARM first obviously |
| 04:29:06 | pagefault | since that is what I have easy access to |
| 04:29:43 | pagefault | it's just 70mhz barrier that is the problem |
| 04:29:46 | pagefault | hehe |
| 04:30:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is your code telling the CPU to boost properly? |
| 04:30:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or wait, that's handled by the buffering. |
| 04:30:48 | pagefault | well as far as I understood from the code and the forums the H10 does no CPU scaling |
| 04:30:48 | pagefault | so it is always max |
| 04:30:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 04:31:04 | pagefault | it's just unlocking that second core |
| 04:31:09 | pagefault | you say doom uses it? |
| 04:31:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 04:31:29 | pagefault | anything does? |
| 04:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 04:31:39 | pagefault | oh nice |
| 04:31:39 | pagefault | hmm |
| 04:31:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | The plan is to have the second core be used in a very specific way |
| 04:31:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would probably be a bad idea to try to implement using it within the codec. |
| 04:32:03 | pagefault | how about can it be used in a desperate I need more power way too? |
| 04:32:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would probably be a bad idea to try to implement using it within the codec. |
| 04:32:31 | pagefault | I get you |
| 04:32:43 | pagefault | I will do my best, like I said I can have realtime right now |
| 04:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you did that, odds are your codec would start conflicting with the dual-core architecture once it's done and working |
| 04:32:51 | pagefault | but I have to shut off al ot of stuff |
| 04:33:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, pretend like you have about 30% more processor power available to you than you do right now |
| 04:33:22 | pagefault | i'm prepared to rewrite some stuff in assembly if I have to |
| 04:34:19 | pagefault | it's mainly the S-DSP's gaussian interpolation that really sucks the power out of it |
| 04:34:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: If you're interested in Coprocessor work being done so far, it's here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755 |
| 04:34:33 | pagefault | without it, realtime is not an issue |
| 04:34:37 | pagefault | but your SPC's will sound like a tin can |
| 04:34:41 | pagefault | and some will not sound right at all |
| 04:35:24 | pagefault | in zsnes we used this wonderful thing called MMX to speed it up |
| 04:35:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you make use of IRAM at all? |
| 04:35:26 | hcs | man, I wish I had a tin can that sounds like an SPC |
| 04:35:28 | pagefault | but I don't have that :? |
| 04:35:30 | pagefault | :/ |
| 04:36:07 | pagefault | IRAM? |
| 04:37:14 | pagefault | you mean internal to the CPU |
| 04:37:24 | pagefault | I am familiar with it, SA-1 on the SNES has it |
| 04:37:35 | pagefault | I did not know coldfire contained any |
| 04:37:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | We make use of it in some of the codecs, and it's resulted in fairly dramatic speedups |
| 04:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I don't really know how they make use of it. :) |
| 04:40:16 | pagefault | interesting |
| 04:40:27 | pagefault | so you are planning to at least move things like the EQ to the second core |
| 04:40:43 | hcs | hmm, I have two loops which could use a fairly dramatic speedup... |
| 04:41:15 | pagefault | I mean the more you can offload on the one core |
| 04:41:20 | pagefault | the more speed I will have for codecs |
| 04:41:24 | pagefault | I get what you are coming from now |
| 04:41:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: The plan is to have the audio thread be moved to the second core, and possibly DSP effects, with the UI and everything else on the first. Of course, with balancing if that doesn't fit well. |
| 04:42:10 | pagefault | it would be ideal if possible to have an entire core just for codecs |
| 04:42:15 | pagefault | but I doubt that would be realistic |
| 04:42:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not? |
| 04:42:47 | pagefault | well... ok nevermind |
| 04:42:53 | pagefault | like I said I don't know the code that well |
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| 04:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | That isn't *exactly* the plan, but it's something close to that |
| 04:43:16 | pagefault | something that would free up more anyway |
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| 04:44:08 | pagefault | I see |
| 04:44:23 | pagefault | so I am just to continue doing what I am doing |
| 04:44:30 | pagefault | and expect 30% or something like that later on |
| 04:44:34 | pagefault | pretty much |
| 04:44:57 | pagefault | if thats the case that could work |
| 04:45:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well as I said, good IRAM usage can also dramatically speed things up, but I'm really not sure how that applies |
| 04:45:48 | pagefault | well it depends, I need to look into how much IRAM there is |
| 04:45:59 | pagefault | if there is 64kb at least I can do dramatic speedups |
| 04:46:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that's exactly how much there is. |
| 04:46:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 64 on coldfire, 96 on ARM, if my memory serves (which it may not) |
| 04:46:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Again, not really my area, and my memory is far from perfect. |
| 04:46:32 | pagefault | under 64 but around that |
| 04:46:47 | pagefault | I am always reading from SPC memory which is slow as hell |
| 04:46:51 | pagefault | so if I can put that in IRAM |
| 04:46:52 | pagefault | hmm |
| 04:46:55 | pagefault | ideas..... |
| 04:47:22 | pagefault | or if I can fit the guassian table in there |
| 04:47:22 | pagefault | oh wow |
| 04:47:27 | pagefault | that would speed it up like a lot |
| 04:47:47 | pagefault | if it works the same way I think it works |
| 04:48:19 | pagefault | it's addressable like any other memory? |
| 04:49:01 | hcs | yay, there we go, made it through the Zelda ending theme without skipping and not sounding too terrible |
| 04:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: I really don't know. Search the changelog for "IRAM" and you can see how it's used in the diffs. |
| 04:49:08 | pagefault | ok |
| 04:49:17 | pagefault | well if I can put the lookup table in there |
| 04:49:22 | pagefault | I have solved my speed problem |
| 04:49:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:50:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good luck |
| 04:50:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I ever have SPC and NSF support, my earphones will probably never leave my ears. |
| 04:50:41 | pagefault | well the SPC lib I am using is the closest thing we have to the real thing right now |
| 04:50:42 | hcs | whew, and Ys *barely* makes it |
| 04:50:47 | pagefault | you would be hard pressed to find a difference |
| 04:51:26 | pagefault | it's going to be included with gstreamer eventually |
| 04:51:31 | pagefault | but the author gave me the code ahead of time |
| 04:51:35 | pagefault | so I could do this rockbox thing |
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| 04:53:10 | pagefault | don't even ask how he got the info for it |
| 04:53:15 | pagefault | heh |
| 04:53:23 | pagefault | it just sounds very nice |
| 04:53:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:53:43 | pagefault | just don't piss off your employee's at sony |
| 04:53:50 | pagefault | or they might walk off with technical documents |
| 04:55:33 | pagefault | then uh somehow it got "leaked" to the net |
| 04:55:39 | pagefault | if you know what I mean |
| 04:55:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I honestly kinda wish Sony would just hurry up with the whole "dying" thing |
| 04:55:55 | pagefault | full schematics for the original SPC700 sound processor |
| 04:56:44 | pagefault | people send me lots of interesting things |
| 04:57:01 | pagefault | a guy who used to work at argonaut the guys who made the superfx chip |
| 04:57:12 | pagefault | he sent me a ton of stuff that was going to be thrown out |
| 04:57:59 | pagefault | then a guy at nintendo of europe was asked to destroy all SNES stuff one day and came across the starfox 2 beta |
| 04:58:09 | pagefault | and sent it to us |
| 04:58:26 | * | scorche perks up |
| 04:58:56 | pagefault | so I have the full source for that game now with comments |
| 04:59:07 | pagefault | it's already compiled and stuff and you can get it from various sites on the net |
| 04:59:24 | hcs | ah, cool, didn't know it came from leaked source |
| 04:59:36 | pagefault | yep |
| 04:59:42 | pagefault | I have nintendo's boot code |
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| 04:59:45 | pagefault | they used in every rom |
| 04:59:48 | pagefault | it's fun stuff |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:22 | pagefault | it just sucks I need an amiga emulator to compile it |
| 05:00:33 | pagefault | all the tools are amiga based |
| 05:01:11 | pagefault | but I am off topic |
| 05:01:22 | scorche | still...out of all my consoles, i love my snes the best |
| 05:01:42 | pagefault | it is a nice console |
| 05:01:50 | pagefault | I will be glad when we finally get our new release out |
| 05:02:04 | pagefault | it will answer to all the criticism we have been getting lately |
| 05:02:20 | scorche | indeed...i remember going to toys r us and getting another cartridge all the time |
| 05:02:43 | pagefault | "your not accurate enough, your sound isn't right, etc" |
| 05:02:47 | pagefault | we basically rewrote most of it |
| 05:02:55 | pagefault | and did it right this time |
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| 05:03:59 | pagefault | the library I am using for SPC in rockbox is bit perfect |
| 05:04:04 | pagefault | so it should be flawless |
| 05:04:12 | pagefault | thats why I am trying so hard to get it to work |
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| 05:28:59 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: was i too harsh on him? |
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| 05:29:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really, no. |
| 05:30:03 | scorche | alright |
| 05:30:31 | scorche | this habit of posting information in the forum instead of the wiki is starting to get to me... |
| 05:30:50 | pagefault | yeah I should like read the forum |
| 05:30:53 | pagefault | it probably has useful info |
| 05:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't necessarily bet on that |
| 05:31:29 | pagefault | is it more whining than infos |
| 05:31:34 | scorche | forums are good for asking questions |
| 05:31:46 | scorche | not a repository of information |
| 05:31:51 | pagefault | ah |
| 05:32:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Actually, our forums are pretty organized, overall (compared to many others) but it's mostly a support venue. |
| 05:32:06 | scorche | unless it is a "i have this problem:" information |
| 05:32:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | We try to strongly encourage that information be gathered in the Wiki, rather than the forums. |
| 05:32:23 | pagefault | oh hey I finally figured out how to display spc files as a supported file type |
| 05:32:36 | hcs | heh |
| 05:32:37 | pagefault | no more renaming to sid |
| 05:32:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though for the "New Ports" there is a lot of information, but that's sorta a side topic. |
| 05:33:01 | hcs | did you ever look at the codec adding thing? was it not helpful? |
| 05:33:07 | pagefault | yeah |
| 05:33:09 | pagefault | sort of |
| 05:33:13 | pagefault | it needs more work :P |
| 05:33:30 | hcs | mm |
| 05:33:39 | pagefault | unless you have since updated it |
| 05:33:41 | hcs | nope |
| 05:34:12 | hcs | put that up immediately after 1 spent the first hour finding what files needed changing for the ADX decoder, haven't touched it since |
| 05:34:23 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: can you make experts able to post in locked topics? |
| 05:34:25 | hcs | interesting, 1 instead of I |
| 05:34:45 | scorche | i am not a fan of unlocking, posting, and locking =) |
| 05:35:25 | scorche | then again, it isnt like that needs to happen often.. |
| 05:36:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: That's not actually a power I can grant. |
| 05:36:56 | scorche | oh?...thought it would be... |
| 05:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought so too |
| 05:37:18 | scorche | just an innate ability of admins? |
| 05:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait, found it. |
| 05:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a power called "Moderate Board" which is actually a compilation of small powers, including "Reply to Locked Topics" |
| 05:37:54 | scorche | ah |
| 05:38:16 | hcs | new NSF patch up, and I'm off to sleep, good night |
| 05:38:33 | pagefault | cool |
| 05:38:36 | pagefault | i'll patch up and tr it |
| 05:38:39 | pagefault | try |
| 05:38:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: They were sneaky about that one. |
| 05:38:55 | scorche | hehe |
| 05:38:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just looking for the words "lock" and/or "locked" |
| 05:39:13 | pagefault | mario bros will put me to sleep |
| 05:39:28 | scorche | and as a side note, it looks like you should be getting a moderate sum of money back |
| 05:39:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | What, the precut thing? |
| 05:40:03 | scorche | hehe...yeah |
| 05:40:10 | pagefault | sum of money is good |
| 05:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was pretty sure about it not being the frequency range. |
| 05:40:24 | pagefault | any sum of money is good |
| 05:40:26 | scorche | pagefault: such a shame he only placed e-money donw on it |
| 05:40:39 | scorche | and not the good paypal type |
| 05:40:40 | pagefault | e-money can I use that at e-bay |
| 05:40:56 | scorche | that would be the good paypal type =( |
| 05:40:56 | pagefault | oh |
| 05:40:59 | pagefault | doh |
| 05:41:23 | pagefault | I know paypal sucks for comission |
| 05:41:25 | pagefault | but it is still better |
| 05:41:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Paypal gave ScummVM the shaft. |
| 05:41:57 | pagefault | commission |
| 05:42:00 | pagefault | yeah |
| 05:42:08 | pagefault | they have like a hmm let see |
| 05:42:12 | pagefault | 2.25% commission rate |
| 05:42:14 | pagefault | or something |
| 05:42:17 | scorche | hurrah!...i have a reply button in locked threads now =) |
| 05:42:18 | scorche | thanks |
| 05:42:24 | pagefault | what did they do to scummvm |
| 05:42:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | No problem |
| 05:42:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: They arbitrarily declared that it it wasn't allowed by their terms of Acceptable Use |
| 05:42:51 | pagefault | uh wtf? |
| 05:42:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it allows the running of software on hardware it was not written/intended for. |
| 05:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which actually isn't true. |
| 05:43:09 | pagefault | I wonder why we haven't been shut down then |
| 05:43:13 | pagefault | zsnes uses paypal too |
| 05:43:14 | pagefault | haha |
| 05:43:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since ScummVM isn't an emulator in any way, it's a scripting language interpreter. |
| 05:43:20 | scorche | heh...i think that that is the first time i can recall someone saying "youre welcome" or something like that in this forum besides "np" |
| 05:43:38 | pagefault | but we do it through sourceforge |
| 05:43:43 | pagefault | so maybe thats how we get away with it |
| 05:43:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: ScummVM had a small issue recently where someone was illegally selling their software on a DVD full of SCUMM games they were pirating |
| 05:44:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | When the illegal seller got taken down, his domain was rerouted to point to scummvm.org |
| 05:44:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very shortly after that, paypal cut off service to ScummVM |
| 05:44:21 | pagefault | stupid |
| 05:44:24 | pagefault | that happens like daily to us |
| 05:44:33 | pagefault | zsnes + all roms for $5 on ebay |
| 05:45:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | The suspicion is that PayPal got word of "illegal activities" followed the link to the site, ended up at the scummvm homepage, didn't investigate further after seeing the paypal link, and withdrew service. |
| 05:45:09 | pagefault | :( |
| 05:45:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're calling ScummVM a... what was it... "software modulator" |
| 05:45:18 | pagefault | I bet lucasarts had something to do with it |
| 05:45:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, supposedly ScummVM is in the middle of working out a license with Lucasarts |
| 05:45:40 | pagefault | nintendo leaves us alone |
| 05:45:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, they're kinda on favorable terms with 'em at the moment. |
| 05:45:44 | pagefault | or they don't care |
| 05:45:47 | pagefault | or they don't speak english |
| 05:45:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 05:45:52 | pagefault | or because we don't post any e-mails |
| 05:45:57 | scorche | well, they did retire the snes a bit ago.. |
| 05:46:01 | pagefault | we never have had any letter in the 6 years we have been doing this |
| 05:46:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, techincally Rockbox falls outside the terms of acceptable use. |
| 05:46:06 | pagefault | but snes9x gets shit daily |
| 05:46:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since Doom wasn't intended for use on the iPod (though it is GPLed) and we have a gameboy emulator. |
| 05:46:44 | pagefault | since all of our devs are canadian what we are doing isn't against the law here |
| 05:46:52 | pagefault | so they couldn't do anything if they wanted to |
| 05:46:55 | pagefault | we don't distribute roms |
| 05:47:33 | pagefault | we did get some DMCA notice once |
| 05:47:37 | pagefault | I just replied "I live in canada" |
| 05:47:42 | pagefault | and never heard from them again |
| 05:48:34 | pagefault | I love that all lawfirms assume everyone is based in the US |
| 05:49:43 | pagefault | have you guys ever got any nasty e-mails from apple about what you do to their pretty ipods |
| 05:49:43 | pagefault | ? |
| 05:50:00 | scorche | not apple, but other people |
| 05:50:06 | scorche | tetris, etc |
| 05:50:11 | pagefault | haha |
| 05:50:16 | pagefault | that guy.... |
| 05:50:29 | pagefault | the patent expired if there ever was one |
| 05:50:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Copyright though |
| 05:51:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently the name "Tetrox" was too similar |
| 05:51:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | So we changed it to... was it Rockblox? |
| 05:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same thing happened with Bejeweled |
| 05:51:23 | pagefault | Begemed |
| 05:51:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jewels |
| 05:51:30 | scorche | and rockbox-lounge (a german support forum) got a letter from some other people with the name rockbox, but we havent gotten anything about that |
| 05:51:34 | scorche | yes |
| 05:52:13 | pagefault | copyrights are so silly sometimes |
| 05:52:21 | scorche | indeed |
| 05:52:34 | scorche | copyright law even more so |
| 05:54:50 | pagefault | yay $5 headphones |
| 05:54:56 | pagefault | my nice bose triport are busted |
| 05:55:00 | pagefault | :/ |
| 05:55:28 | * | scorche needs to get some decent 'phones |
| 05:55:37 | pagefault | go with cans |
| 05:55:38 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wouldn't suggest Bose Triports |
| 05:55:48 | scorche | overpriced imo |
| 05:55:59 | scorche | i have seen some nice cheap senns |
| 05:56:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Quite bass-heavy too, every time I've tried 'em |
| 05:56:05 | scorche | sehn...whatever |
| 05:56:09 | pagefault | I got them for $100 on open box deal |
| 05:56:12 | pagefault | I like them |
| 05:56:17 | pagefault | but everyone has their own tastes |
| 05:57:01 | scorche | i use some cheap 30$ sony ones that clip on to your ear |
| 05:57:12 | pagefault | but thats what I say an EQ is for |
| 05:57:17 | pagefault | so you can adjust for your phones |
| 05:57:32 | scorche | they say something about trance on them...they are decent though |
| 05:57:44 | pagefault | yeah those are decent |
| 05:57:45 | * | scorche wished he knew how to properly use an EQ |
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| 05:57:53 | pagefault | I hate earbuds though |
| 05:57:55 | pagefault | they always fall out |
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| 05:58:05 | scorche | they arent buds |
| 05:58:10 | pagefault | I know... |
| 05:58:12 | scorche | but most buds are uncomfortable anyway |
| 05:58:14 | pagefault | but I am just saying |
| 05:58:19 | pagefault | I have had the clip ones |
| 05:58:27 | scorche | mine? |
| 05:58:31 | pagefault | they are like buds but clip on and don't kill your eardrums |
| 05:58:32 | pagefault | yeah yours |
| 05:58:37 | scorche | yup...devent |
| 05:58:39 | scorche | c |
| 05:59:00 | pagefault | took me a while to figure out how to put them on first time |
| 05:59:02 | pagefault | hehe |
| 05:59:05 | scorche | cept the shiny plastic braided or whatever cord bugs me |
| 05:59:24 | pagefault | yeah |
| 05:59:26 | scorche | and that they are *just* short enough to have to use the extension |
| 05:59:39 | pagefault | you loose volume when you use extensions |
| 05:59:41 | pagefault | which sucks |
| 05:59:47 | pagefault | but with those it shouldn't matter much |
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| 06:00:01 | scorche | another 8 inches or so, and i would love it |
| 06:00:11 | scorche | but instead i ahve to use that 3 foot extension |
| 06:00:15 | scorche | pfft! |
| 06:00:22 | pagefault | if I was rich I would get those custom ones they fit to your ear |
| 06:00:42 | scorche | but we arent =( |
| 06:00:47 | pagefault | yeah |
| 06:01:06 | pagefault | my new pc burned down |
| 06:01:12 | scorche | oof |
| 06:01:16 | scorche | warranty? |
| 06:01:17 | pagefault | but the insurance picked it up |
| 06:01:20 | pagefault | so I am safe |
| 06:01:24 | scorche | ah |
| 06:01:30 | pagefault | but it still sucked |
| 06:01:35 | pagefault | it was a nice intel core 2 |
| 06:01:37 | pagefault | brand new |
| 06:02:04 | pagefault | so now I am on this wonderful celeron for the time being |
| 06:02:11 | scorche | i upgraded just before the intel core 2s....opteron 175, so i am not that pissed...but i am still pissed =) |
| 06:02:24 | scorche | and especially now that those chips have halfed in price |
| 06:02:33 | pagefault | well after I saw the conroe benches |
| 06:02:40 | pagefault | I was like.. ok I am going to wait a few months |
| 06:03:15 | pagefault | it's fast and all but AMD still makes better servers |
| 06:03:24 | scorche | of course |
| 06:03:49 | pagefault | what I don't understand is my cpu is unlocked |
| 06:03:51 | pagefault | no multiplier lock |
| 06:03:57 | pagefault | so I can do like anything |
| 06:04:06 | scorche | next upgrade i will probably get a dual socket board and chips to go with it |
| 06:04:33 | pagefault | I had it running at 2.9ghz until the powersupply screwed up |
| 06:04:42 | pagefault | it wasn't the o/c that did it |
| 06:04:51 | pagefault | some storm and it shorted out |
| 06:05:12 | scorche | reminds me of iriver saying rockbox is at fault..heh |
| 06:05:24 | * | scorche looks up |
| 06:05:27 | pagefault | at fault for what |
| 06:05:28 | pagefault | haha |
| 06:05:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is at fault for everything, if it's installed |
| 06:05:35 | scorche | holy spam...lets take this to pm =) |
| 06:05:39 | pagefault | haha |
| 06:05:41 | pagefault | just format |
| 06:05:50 | pagefault | and run their stupid util |
| 06:05:53 | pagefault | and it's back to stock |
| 06:05:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not on iRiver |
| 06:06:01 | scorche | irivers die |
| 06:06:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | We have to install the bootloader in flash |
| 06:06:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the HD fails, you can't get it to boot to put a clean Flash image in |
| 06:06:29 | pagefault | oh |
| 06:06:37 | pagefault | well if my HD was going to fail |
| 06:06:40 | pagefault | it would have already |
| 06:06:45 | pagefault | you know how many times i've dropped this thing |
| 06:07:19 | pagefault | I am amazed it still works |
| 06:07:28 | pagefault | it fell down a flight of stairs |
| 06:07:31 | pagefault | I was sure it was toast |
| 06:07:34 | pagefault | but no, it boots and it's good |
| 06:08:29 | pagefault | how would rockbox kill it anywya |
| 06:08:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It really wouldn't. |
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| 06:08:56 | scorche | but it is a good scapegoat |
| 06:09:00 | pagefault | iriver kills it by crippling it with such bad firmware |
| 06:09:01 | pagefault | imo |
| 06:09:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | It gets iRiver out of their warranty obligations |
| 06:09:25 | pagefault | no vorbis on h10 like what? |
| 06:09:30 | pagefault | no reason for that |
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| 06:10:04 | nepomuk | Hey! I just installed rockbox on my 20 gig H10. Love it, love it, love it. |
| 06:10:14 | pagefault | yeah it makes it useful doesn't it |
| 06:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | pagefault: Well, maybe they couldn't get it realtime. At the time the H10 came out, Vorbis wasn't doing so great on embedded platforms |
| 06:10:55 | pagefault | Paul_The_Nerd, I don't think their firmware guys are the greatest anyway |
| 06:11:00 | pagefault | they have short attention span |
| 06:11:04 | pagefault | they forget about products |
| 06:11:37 | nepomuk | two quick questions, though: 1) the brief hiccups in the music I get when playing the games−− are those normal? will they be eventually ironed out? are they related to the similar-sounding hiccups I get when I try to use any of the preinstalled WPSs? I was warned that those would cause the H10 to blarf, so I installed Green BoeselGlass. |
| 06:11:59 | nepomuk | which leads me to 2): is there any way I can change the font from white to black? I love everything else about the theme. |
| 06:12:04 | pagefault | nepomuk, it's a common issue |
| 06:12:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | nepomuk: Those are basically caused by the processor not being fast enough to do everything at once. |
| 06:12:14 | nepomuk | yeah, I figured. |
| 06:12:22 | pagefault | it is being worked on |
| 06:12:24 | nepomuk | makes sense. not a problem; just curious. |
| 06:12:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | nepomuk: Once dual core support is in, games + music should be fine |
| 06:12:34 | nepomuk | slick. |
| 06:12:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | nepomuk: There is a way to change font color, can't remember where it is though |
| 06:12:41 | pagefault | and keep the peak meter off |
| 06:12:43 | pagefault | and you will be ok |
| 06:12:50 | nepomuk | yeah, I remember reading about that. will do, thanks. |
| 06:14:03 | pagefault | it's under display settings I believe |
| 06:14:13 | pagefault | push power |
| 06:14:38 | pagefault | or not |
| 06:14:43 | nepomuk | ah-ha |
| 06:14:49 | pagefault | it's somewhere in there I thinkl |
| 06:14:55 | pagefault | general settings |
| 06:14:56 | pagefault | display |
| 06:15:00 | pagefault | and then you can choose your font |
| 06:15:25 | nepomuk | afk brb |
| 06:15:49 | pagefault | holding power will shut it off |
| 06:15:52 | pagefault | as it always has |
| 06:17:18 | pagefault | I always wonder |
| 06:17:23 | pagefault | if I buy a bigger microdrive |
| 06:17:29 | pagefault | will the h10 pick it up |
| 06:17:38 | pagefault | or will I have to do some firmware hackery |
| 06:18:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should work just fine, I'd imagine |
| 06:19:15 | pagefault | hmm |
| 06:19:30 | pagefault | just wondering if I could get a h10 20gb with UMS :P |
| 06:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least, that's the case on the other iRivers. |
| 06:19:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's possible they've engineered something to prevent that. |
| 06:19:43 | pagefault | yeah |
| 06:20:06 | pagefault | oh well |
| 06:20:43 | pagefault | I miss having the optical out on this thing |
| 06:20:45 | pagefault | it's there |
| 06:20:48 | pagefault | but I have to get the dock |
| 06:20:53 | pagefault | or do some soldering |
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| 06:25:48 | pagefault | funny I am going to have to boot back into XP to burn RC2 to DVD |
| 06:25:53 | pagefault | since burning is broken in RC1 |
| 06:26:38 | nepomuk | b |
| 06:27:49 | nepomuk | will any rockbox font work on my H10? |
| 06:27:57 | nepomuk | (e.g. from rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ ) |
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| 08:26:39 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:27:01 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: There is at least some code reuse between ipl and rockbox on the app level |
| 08:27:24 | amiconn | coob ported the cube plugin :) |
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| 08:32:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Right, well I was hugely generalizing while being inaccurate. ;) |
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| 08:35:12 | YouCeyE | hi.. what is the current status on h10 20gb model? if i may ask.. |
| 08:35:48 | YouCeyE | last time i heard some battery issues abt the rockbox build |
| 08:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | The battery life is shorter than the retail firmware, yes. |
| 08:39:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's likely to be this way for quite a while, until better knowledge of the portalplayer chipset is achieved. |
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| 09:28:59 | linuxstb_ | Morning all. I'm moving the usb logo to an external .bmp file, and was wondering if I should keep it as a mono bitmap (i.e. displayed with lcd_mono_bitmap using current fg/bg colours), or change it to being a native bitmap... |
| 09:29:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd votes native. |
| 09:29:44 | * | scorche seconds |
| 09:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | For one thing, you'll never lose it in the backdrop. |
| 09:30:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming you don't insert transparent pink into it |
| 09:30:39 | linuxstb_ | A full-screen native bitmap takes up about 150KB on a 5g... |
| 09:30:41 | LinusN | i'd love a nicer usb icon on the more capable targets |
| 09:31:06 | Coldtoast | hey. so does rb run on the 2g Nano? |
| 09:31:13 | LinusN | no |
| 09:31:21 | linuxstb_ | Coldtoast: No - the 2g Nano is a completely different player in terms of hardware. |
| 09:31:21 | Coldtoast | cool |
| 09:31:27 | Coldtoast | ok. good |
| 09:31:33 | linuxstb_ | Good? |
| 09:31:42 | Coldtoast | giveds me another reason to be happy I have a 1g |
| 09:31:51 | Coldtoast | cos I only bough tit 2 weeks befor ethe new ones came out |
| 09:31:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 09:32:13 | Coldtoast | my 4GB was only bloody $20 cheaper than the new 8GB |
| 09:32:21 | Coldtoast | 8GB would have been PERFECT for me |
| 09:33:33 | Coldtoast | tho I much prefer the look of the 1g |
| 09:33:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the 2G looks pretty sleek |
| 09:34:00 | Coldtoast | I like the 1g more tho |
| 09:34:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | But then I have this thing for gadgets that actually have real, exposed metal. |
| 09:34:21 | Coldtoast | did you see the results of the torture test? |
| 09:34:22 | Quazgaa | anyone ever try putting a bigger drive in a x5 |
| 09:34:29 | Coldtoast | I think it was engadget who did it |
| 09:34:52 | Coldtoast | the 1g Nano took 6 drops to damage adn the one that did it was from 9ft |
| 09:35:08 | Coldtoast | they did the same test with the new 2g. First drop, from 1.5ft, killed teh screen |
| 09:35:21 | Coldtoast | hope they're not ALL that fragile |
| 09:36:04 | Coldtoast | the guy ran with it and it dropped, hit the end of the earphones and disconnected. hence the 1.5ft |
| 09:36:42 | Coldtoast | also, I hear file transfers are horribly slow on the new ones |
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| 10:04:39 | theli_ua | linuxstb_, why do we need another 150 kb in cvs for logo that is just seen for a second? |
| 10:06:39 | LinusN | theli_ua: i don't know how fast your USB transfers are, but my player is often connected for several minutes. |
| 10:07:26 | theli_ua | LinusN, isn't screen output from ipods when connected in USB mode come from apple's firmware? |
| 10:07:44 | LinusN | rockbox runs on many other platforms |
| 10:07:59 | LinusN | the usb mode in ipod is a workaround |
| 10:08:11 | theli_ua | yeah .. i know that on some ( archoses for example ) this does make sense ... but for others ... |
| 10:08:29 | LinusN | ipod is the only platform that doesn't show the logo |
| 10:09:05 | theli_ua | hm ... i thought that ipods isn't the only target without rockbox's usb mode :/ |
| 10:09:09 | LinusN | and it will also show a logo once we work out how to handle the usb mode properly |
| 10:09:33 | theli_ua | well, ok ... nevermind then :) |
| 10:09:38 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:09:55 | * | theli_ua has a birthday today :D |
| 10:10:01 | LinusN | well, this applies to all portalplayer platforms |
| 10:10:08 | LinusN | theli_ua: congratulations! |
| 10:10:22 | theli_ua | thanx |
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| 10:13:02 | theli_ua | today is the day when i can count most of the forums i have registered on :) |
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| 10:55:04 | Dma-Sc | sorry for the multiple hi before, webclient is not the proper way to irc ;) |
| 10:55:52 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:56:08 | Dma-Sc | about the H10 5gb problem, should i register a bug for it? |
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| 11:06:34 | linuxstb_ | Anyone (amiconn?) have any suggestions about how to deal with the H300 warnings? The main problem is that the bitmap types (fb_data and fb_remote_data) are different for the main screen and remote - so the prototypes for lcd_bitmap and lcd_remote_bitmap are different, which breaks the "screens" system, and also breaks the concept of having an array of logo bitmaps, one per screen... |
| 11:06:58 | TyroneMaskell | hello all |
| 11:07:16 | TyroneMaskell | i wanted to ask what formats does rock box support |
| 11:07:35 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs (see the table at the bottom) |
| 11:08:08 | TyroneMaskell | cause mine does not support wma |
| 11:08:29 | linuxstb_ | No, Rockbox doesn't have WMA support. |
| 11:08:53 | amiconn | LinusN (and others): One of the last changes (within a week or so) broke archos player :-( |
| 11:09:14 | amiconn | Rockbox starts, but if I try to resume I get an immediate "stkov scroll" |
| 11:10:04 | TyroneMaskell | guess i must just convert all that wma shit to mp3 |
| 11:10:58 | LinusN | amiconn: wonderful |
| 11:11:12 | linuxstb_ | TyroneMaskell: Rockbox will probably support WMA in the future, so keep your original WMA files, but yes, your only option at the moment is to convert (or preferably re-rip from the source CDs). |
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| 11:11:46 | TyroneMaskell | what is the best format out there these days |
| 11:11:47 | amiconn | The strange thing is - why "stkov scroll"? |
| 11:12:23 | LinusN | amiconn: buffer overflow? |
| 11:12:31 | LinusN | into the scroll stack |
| 11:12:36 | TyroneMaskell | another thing with my iriver firmware i could shuffle my whole data base can rockbox do that |
| 11:12:51 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:13:00 | daurn|afk | hey all |
| 11:13:40 | amiconn | linuxstb_: That's not the only problem in the screen code. The fact that X5 doesn't throw a warning is pure luck (fb_remote_data being 16bit as well for the 4-grey remote lcd because of the interleaved format) |
| 11:13:44 | TyroneMaskell | how ? |
| 11:14:25 | TyroneMaskell | best audio format out there ?? |
| 11:14:51 | amiconn | But there's another problem on the X5: gui_syncsplash() uses a dark grey background on the remote where it should use a light grey one |
| 11:15:45 | amiconn | This is because the gui code uses LCD_LIGHTGRAY for both screens while it should use LCD_REMOTE_LIGHTGRAY for the remote |
| 11:15:59 | LinusN | TyroneMaskell: create a playlist of the entire collection and play it shuffled |
| 11:16:19 | amiconn | TyroneMaskell: There is no 'best |
| 11:16:20 | TyroneMaskell | lol cool |
| 11:16:30 | amiconn | ' format, it all depends on your requirements |
| 11:16:40 | TyroneMaskell | i sometimes dont use my head hehehe |
| 11:16:40 | TyroneMaskell | cool |
| 11:16:45 | LinusN | TyroneMaskell: you can create the playlist with rockbox |
| 11:16:48 | amiconn | preglow: around? |
| 11:17:19 | TyroneMaskell | ok but can you hear the diff between lossless and lossy |
| 11:17:46 | linuxstb_ | TyroneMaskell: The important question is if _you_ can hear a difference. Do some tests... |
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| 11:20:14 | TyroneMaskell | cool |
| 11:20:40 | TyroneMaskell | being very stupid today but its gonna take a while for me to get use to rockbox but its cool |
| 11:20:48 | * | TyroneMaskell likes learning curves |
| 11:20:49 | LinusN | amiconn: does it crash on recv1? |
| 11:20:53 | TyroneMaskell | haahahaha |
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| 11:21:21 | TyroneMaskell | ok another dumb question how do i create a playlist |
| 11:21:48 | * | LinusN whispers....maaaaaanual...... |
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| 11:24:03 | * | Rick whispers....LinusN is the FAQ >:D |
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| 11:24:36 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:25:27 | * | petur read that as Maaanuel |
| 11:25:28 | TyroneMaskell | you guys work better thana manual |
| 11:25:30 | TyroneMaskell | hehehe |
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| 11:26:09 | * | LinusN gets fawlty towers flashbacks |
| 11:26:15 | petur | :) |
| 11:27:12 | * | TyroneMaskell sends free cold beers round to all the helpers |
| 11:27:19 | webguest20 | Hey, what would you think about a font view plugin (or font viewer)? With it you could view a font without switching RB to it. Or is switching to the font in question (to view it) and then back is simple enough? |
| 11:27:27 | * | petur wonders what kind of beer |
| 11:28:15 | webguest20 | If you find it's a good idea I could try to implement such plugin/viewer. |
| 11:28:18 | TyroneMaskell | anything you like :) |
| 11:28:37 | TyroneMaskell | playlist ?????? help pls |
| 11:29:16 | petur | TyroneMaskell: just access the context menu in the browser |
| 11:29:18 | TyroneMaskell | how do i |
| 11:29:26 | petur | what player? |
| 11:29:58 | Genre9mp3 | petur: You really want that beer... :P |
| 11:30:24 | petur | I'll get free beer this afternoon at the company anyway :) |
| 11:32:46 | daurn|afk | any1 here an aussie |
| 11:32:59 | TyroneMaskell | iriver h300 |
| 11:33:14 | petur | TyroneMaskell: long-press NAVI |
| 11:33:15 | TyroneMaskell | me too hehehehe company pub gotta lovethem |
| 11:33:34 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Will WSI be getting a clock even if there's no transfer taking place? |
| 11:34:11 | TyroneMaskell | i love my iriver |
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| 11:35:57 | webguest20 | Anyone? (font viewer) Or is nobody interested in it? Then I'll leave it alone. |
| 11:36:17 | petur | webguest20: no, sounds like a nice thing to have |
| 11:37:26 | Genre9mp3 | You can also use the sims for that |
| 11:37:47 | * | jhMikeS might be bumped up on the "asks stupid questions list"? |
| 11:38:27 | webguest20 | petur: nice but not necessary, right ;-) |
| 11:38:33 | TyroneMaskell | it still says no playlist |
| 11:38:56 | petur | webguest20: that's why it's a plugin :p |
| 11:39:00 | barrywardell | Dma-Sc: yes, please file a bug report and I will take a look at it when I can find the time |
| 11:40:58 | Genre9mp3 | webguest20: Oh...you mean a font-viewer on player... I see... |
| 11:41:12 | jhMikeS | I'm planting a little seed for full-duplex audio in the update to the last patch so an interesting new breed of plugin will be possible. I think preglow mostly cares about this but there was something in the FAQ about guitar tunes or something. |
| 11:41:15 | webguest20 | petur: ok, that might be a programming exercise for me to learn RB a little bit. If a useful thing comes out as a result, even better |
| 11:41:35 | jhMikeS | *guitar tuners |
| 11:41:51 | TyroneMaskell | brb going for lunch |
| 11:41:58 | webguest20 | jhMikeS: train you ears! |
| 11:42:12 | webguest20 | *your |
| 11:42:16 | petur | TyroneMaskell: read the manual during lunch |
| 11:42:44 | TyroneMaskell | lol |
| 11:42:44 | jhMikeS | I can tune it to standard pitch without one but we'll be able to have plugins for audio effect and more including that. |
| 11:43:24 | petur | jhMikeS: playback while recording (multi-track recording) |
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| 11:44:23 | * | petur would already be happy with basic stable recording |
| 11:45:09 | TyroneMaskell | be back just now to bother your asses |
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| 11:46:10 | petur | Tyronemaskell-aw: browse to a dir with music in (or a single file), long-press NAVI -> playlist -> insert |
| 11:46:28 | petur | to save it: settings -> playlist options |
| 11:46:45 | petur | you reach settings via the A-B button |
| 11:47:20 | petur | Tyronemaskell-aw: for the rest, please read the manual |
| 11:48:42 | jhMikeS | petur: It's pretty rugged now...I want the blessing from higher up to commit it. 0:-) |
| 11:49:17 | petur | jhMikeS: found something re missing samples? |
| 11:50:58 | jhMikeS | petur: were you recording to WAV? That glitch was an oddball size that doesn't match any chunk size. It could have been that something wasn't reset properly after use. I haven't had glitches even with 88.2 WavPack since bumping the pcmrec thread prio when it gets flooded. |
| 11:51:18 | petur | WAV, yes |
| 11:51:55 | jhMikeS | And now even if it things get flooded it won't become unstable...it'll just drop data since there's no other choice. |
| 11:52:16 | petur | I consider dropping data 'unstable' |
| 11:53:19 | jhMikeS | If your shaking the device around and the disk can't spin up you will lose data if writing can't occurr. There's nothing that can be done about that at all. |
| 11:53:19 | petur | or rather, it pisses me off quite a bit if I find out a recording of a great show is screwed |
| 11:53:58 | petur | I've done many recordings in worse conditions... the device was just lying on the stage now, no shaking at all |
| 11:55:30 | jhMikeS | I doubt that should happen again. When boosting the thread prio it flushes very fast and each chunk is reset after use so there's no doubt about its validity. |
| 11:56:33 | petur | great. I may find some time to do testing this weekend - is the patch on the tracker or do you think it's good enough for commit? |
| 11:57:02 | jhMikeS | There's a patch there but I've got an update coming maybe later today I think. |
| 11:57:17 | petur | k |
| 11:58:13 | jhMikeS | Idea: Use two players simultaneously :) You can splice out bad part with the same good part of the other. |
| 11:59:04 | amiconn | LinusN: No idea, and can't test right now |
| 11:59:06 | * | petur slaps jhMikeS a bit with a bad recording |
| 11:59:20 | LinusN | amiconn: i'll see if i can run it with gdb |
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| 11:59:58 | jhMikeS | *ouch* It wasn't much of my code in pcm record! It is now. |
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| 12:00:52 | petur | jhMikeS: don't worry, I'll get over it some day ;) |
| 12:01:07 | jhMikeS | *turning the other cheek* |
| 12:02:47 | jhMikeS | LinusN: If you didn't catch it before: does WSI get a clock even if there's no transfer of audio data from the CPU? |
| 12:03:09 | Dma-Sc | barrywardell : ok |
| 12:03:53 | LinusN | jhMikeS: it should |
| 12:04:04 | LinusN | ...i think |
| 12:04:23 | LinusN | hmmmm |
| 12:04:25 | jhMikeS | LinusN: hmmm... |
| 12:04:29 | LinusN | maybe not |
| 12:05:15 | jhMikeS | I wonder if it even matters |
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| 12:07:52 | jhMikeS | Well...even with no output on IIS1TX recording still procedes just fine with a tlv in slave mode...I don't know if that means "yes" |
| 12:10:07 | jhMikeS | LinusN: There tlv internal filters are wee glitchy for 88.2, not sure why. Is there other info you know of about the order of setting things or timing? I haven't seen anything in the datasheet re: it. |
| 12:10:37 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i have no clue |
| 12:11:34 | * | jhMikeS has to do virtual leg work! >:| Ansers on a silver platter are preffered :) |
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| 12:13:16 | Kingstone | hello all |
| 12:13:34 | Kingstone | i was wondering if there is any progress on the encryption of the nano soso image? |
| 12:14:02 | Kingstone | i'm not sure if it's an hardware encryption or software |
| 12:14:17 | Kingstone | but if it's software, the key may lie in the firmware itself (aupd image) |
| 12:16:55 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the I2S specification says that SCLK is supposed to be "continuous" |
| 12:19:06 | jhMikeS | Is the spec on the rb site? |
| 12:19:42 | jhMikeS | but that's very good though for using slave mode and WSPLL |
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| 12:22:14 | jhMikeS | ok found it |
| 12:22:28 | preglow | amiconn: now |
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| 12:25:28 | webguest20 | Is the AGC feature described in the manual? I've found nothing but maybe I looked at wrong place? |
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| 12:26:38 | preglow | it might not be, it's a fairly recent addition |
| 12:27:48 | webguest20 | preglow: ah, ok, I didn't know that (that it's a recent addition) |
| 12:29:21 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The only solution I can think of is to change the lcd_bitmap and lcd_remote_bitmap functions to have the same prototypes - i.e. use void* for the bitmap parameter instead of fb_data* and fb_remote_data* in the lcd_*_bitmap family of functions. |
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| 12:33:16 | linuxstb_ | Kingstone: How would the aupd image help? Both the aupd and main firmware images are encrypted. There will probably be an unencrypted version of the aupd image in flash, but the only way to access that would be with some extreme hardware hacking... |
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| 12:33:38 | preglow | extreme and extreme |
| 12:33:44 | preglow | it would require some gear, though |
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| 12:58:22 | amiconn | preglow: I had a closer look at flac's lpc_decode(), and lpc_decode_emac() (guess why ;) ) |
| 12:59:26 | amiconn | From what I understand it shoudl (1) be possible to handle up to 16bit samples with the sh1 mac, as coeff_prec <= 15 |
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| 13:00:16 | amiconn | (2) Supporting 24bit flac with coldfire emac does _not_ require 2 streaks of mac.l. One streak is sufficient; all that's needed is fetching tthe accext as well |
| 13:01:23 | amiconn | Reasoning: (a) coeff_prec <= 15, together with a sample precision of 24 bits this gives 39 bit products. The emac multiplier yields a 40 bit product |
| 13:02:27 | amiconn | (b) the accumulation can therefore yield a maximum of 43 bits (39 bit products, and av_log2(pred_order) <= 4). The emac accumulator is 48 bits |
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| 13:03:34 | preglow | sure enough |
| 13:03:39 | Kingstone | linuxstb, have you find anything you we could do then? |
| 13:03:44 | preglow | shall we just forget supporting samples above 24 bits, then? |
| 13:03:48 | preglow | i think it's ok to do so... |
| 13:03:50 | Kingstone | you mean there is no hope for decryption? |
| 13:04:00 | Kingstone | we need to find another way? |
| 13:04:22 | Kingstone | have you got any ideas for how to decrypt it maybe? |
| 13:04:44 | amiconn | preglow: Iirc the maximum supported sample depth of flac is 24 bits |
| 13:04:59 | preglow | amiconn: if so, everything is good |
| 13:05:38 | preglow | amiconn: i'm just wondering, with the current speed of the flac decoder, if i should just make the general flac asm also support 24 bits |
| 13:06:43 | amiconn | Hmm, no |
| 13:06:46 | amiconn | "FLAC supports from 4 to 32 bits per sample. Currently the reference encoder and decoders only support up to 24 bits per sample" |
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| 13:08:49 | amiconn | Otoh, the samplerate field in the frame header only specifies values for 8, 12, 16, 20 and 24 bit samples |
| 13:09:19 | amiconn | hmm, "get from STREAMINFO metadata block" |
| 13:10:47 | preglow | yes, you can also read it straight from the stream |
| 13:10:49 | preglow | same as with sample rate |
| 13:11:47 | amiconn | At least, lpc_decode_emac() can be modified to support up to 24 bit samples |
| 13:12:06 | amiconn | It will be a little bit slower than the 16 bit case |
| 13:12:10 | preglow | and i'll personally fistfight the idiot who uses more than 24 bits in a flac file |
| 13:13:11 | preglow | myeah, i probably should make new asm routines for it. i'll have to free enough registers that i will probably have to drop unrolling two lpc orders |
| 13:13:48 | * | preglow hates having almost identical code several places :/ |
| 13:14:11 | amiconn | (fetch accext0 before the movclr, and the right shift will probably need 5 insns instead of 1 |
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| 13:14:43 | preglow | depends if i should calculate the top shift each time or precalc it in a register |
| 13:14:48 | preglow | i bet the first will be fastest anyway |
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| 13:15:10 | jhMikeS | I still can't read those emac instructions well...probably because I've never tried using it :=\ |
| 13:15:21 | preglow | they're easy to use |
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| 13:16:46 | jhMikeS | It all looks cryptic at the start...then later it's like "how could it not have been obvious" :) |
| 13:17:24 | * | amiconn has a different problem with emac |
| 13:17:34 | preglow | one of the clevrer things with our coldfire in general |
| 13:17:45 | preglow | you can't beat a single cycle 64 bit mul |
| 13:18:48 | amiconn | My emacified lcd_write_yuv420_lines() should be about 22% faster than the version in cvs, but it's almost the same speed |
| 13:18:59 | jhMikeS | How much speed up does it generally give? |
| 13:19:06 | amiconn | (even a tiny bit slower) |
| 13:19:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: was just gonna mention that one :) |
| 13:19:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: depends on the code, but compared to the gnu library 32x32->64 mul, it's tons and tons faster |
| 13:19:49 | amiconn | Yeah, but emac (alone) isn't 64 bit |
| 13:20:01 | preglow | no, but you very seldom need all bits |
| 13:20:12 | preglow | again, depends on the code |
| 13:21:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: I planted a tiny seed for full duplex in the next patch. When I get the commit blessing for I'll make it my next priority to fully implement a plugin interface...probably the complement to what happens in pcm_playback.c. If someone has a better suggestion feel free. |
| 13:23:06 | * | preglow hugs jhMikeS |
| 13:23:22 | jhMikeS | awww |
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| 13:24:03 | preglow | hows the record crashing coming along btw? |
| 13:24:11 | jhMikeS | what recording crashing? :) |
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| 13:25:20 | jhMikeS | The 11kHz stuff on iRiver...I dunno...I hope to have an updated patch up today so someone can test all the sample rates. |
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| 13:27:04 | jhMikeS | No more master mode and will try using the WSI clock instead of sysclock - might fix things. IIS slave mode on the x5 fixed 88.2. |
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| 13:31:03 | preglow | thinkinh about wavpack crashing |
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| 13:33:50 | jhMikeS | preglow: added a panic high watermark that boosts the pcmrec thread when flooded and now no more problems with 88.2 stereo at all on my player. |
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| 13:37:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: You just closed the other FS re: it I see... |
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| 13:38:42 | preglow | ? |
| 13:38:48 | preglow | ahh, the one the reporter asked me to close |
| 13:39:29 | jhMikeS | I think that problem disappeared after making sure the CPU was boosted. |
| 13:41:15 | jhMikeS | The codec now also does the chunk in four steps yielding after each so it doesn't hog all the resources doing 5000 samples at a time. |
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| 13:42:46 | Tyronemaskell | im back lalalalalala |
| 13:42:59 | Tyronemaskell | what questions can i ask you guys now |
| 13:44:31 | Tyronemaskell | how do i charge my player with the rockbox on it ? |
| 13:44:37 | Tyronemaskell | heheheh just kidding |
| 13:44:47 | Tyronemaskell | i seee you guys are not in the mood |
| 13:45:01 | petur | Tyronemaskell: sorry, your support ticket expired |
| 13:46:08 | Tyronemaskell | lol |
| 13:46:13 | Tyronemaskell | i was out on lunch |
| 13:46:25 | Tyronemaskell | give me a break |
| 13:46:53 | petur | you can order a new support ticket through our paypal link :p |
| 13:47:27 | Tyronemaskell | hehhe |
| 13:47:29 | Tyronemaskell | nice |
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| 13:52:37 | Tyronemaskell | sheesh what happened |
| 13:52:43 | LinusN | net split |
| 13:53:18 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: (or anyone...) Any thoughts about my suggestion (see 12:29:21 in current.txt) to change the bitmap parameter to void* in the lcd_*_bitmap functions in order to solve the screens API problem? |
| 13:53:55 | Tyronemaskell | ok who split the net ? let me at em |
| 13:55:05 | LinusN | sounds like a solution to me |
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| 13:55:05 | PaulJam | btw. when you are using a backdrop, the usb logo isn't transparent anymore. |
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| 13:55:47 | theli_ua | what is "screens API problem" ? |
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| 13:56:27 | Tyronemaskell | i think i still got lots to learn about rockbox |
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| 13:57:18 | linuxstb_ | The cause of the current warnings - the screens API should let you do things like screen->bitmap(), for either the main screen or remote, but it doesn't work (see the current H300 warnings) if fb_data is a different type to fb_remote_data. |
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| 14:00:04 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Screen->bittmap is a problem in general |
| 14:00:16 | jhMikeS | All targets support setting the HW at 44100 I assume...would seem odd if something didn't |
| 14:00:46 | amiconn | The purpose of the multi-screen api is to make the code independent from the actual screens - but for native bitmaps this isn't possible because of the different formats |
| 14:01:19 | linuxstb_ | It can work if called with the appropriate bitmap from an array of bitmaps - that's how the usblogo is implemented. |
| 14:01:22 | daurn | wow |
| 14:01:24 | jhMikeS | lets add dynamic color conversion and headers! :-P |
| 14:01:25 | daurn | big netsplit |
| 14:01:55 | amiconn | daurn: Big? Nah... |
| 14:02:09 | daurn | from my end it is/was ;) |
| 14:02:12 | amiconn | just about 25 users - I've seen bigger ones |
| 14:02:42 | amiconn | Ah, you were on that server... |
| 14:03:13 | daurn | yep |
| 14:03:36 | Genre9mp3 | It was about 90 users here... |
| 14:03:55 | daurn | about 100 |
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| 14:04:39 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Yeah, but how does that solve mentioned problem? |
| 14:05:06 | Tyronemaskell | anyone know of any lan parties |
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| 14:08:51 | Bleistift | help!! |
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| 14:09:28 | Bleistift | my ajr doesn't start up anymore |
| 14:09:35 | Kitt0s | ajr? |
| 14:09:55 | Bleistift | yep my good old ajr! |
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| 14:10:35 | LinusN | Bleistift: totally dead, or almost dead? |
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| 14:11:00 | Bleistift | when i press "on" i can hear the drive spin up |
| 14:11:02 | LinusN | Bleistift: v1 or v2? |
| 14:11:13 | Bleistift | after a while it spins down |
| 14:11:16 | Bleistift | v1 |
| 14:11:24 | Kitt0s | i don't get those patches, every patch i try to apply i get those HUNK errors.. :\ |
| 14:11:34 | Bleistift | ...and the display says panic ata -1 |
| 14:11:38 | LinusN | Kitt0s: then the patch is out of date |
| 14:11:47 | LinusN | Bleistift: try this: |
| 14:12:00 | Bleistift | I've disassembled the device now |
| 14:12:09 | LinusN | squeeze the batteries together |
| 14:12:21 | Kitt0s | no1 updating them :\ |
| 14:12:37 | LinusN | Kitt0s: talk to the person who submitted the patch |
| 14:13:15 | PaulJam | Kitt0s: you can also look at the .rej file and do the changes manually |
| 14:13:22 | Bleistift | but how can I squeeze the batteries together after I reassemble the device? |
| 14:15:01 | Bleistift | i think I have to wait for a while because I've put the batteries in my quickcharger |
| 14:15:51 | Kitt0s | PaulJam, if i do it manually, what should i change? the .patch it self and repatch? or the bad .c files itself? |
| 14:15:55 | Bleistift | I dont want to stop the charging process.. |
| 14:16:20 | LinusN | Bleistift: you squeeze the bumpers |
| 14:16:30 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: If all the bitmap functions take void* for the bitmap parameters, then screen->bitmap() can be set to either lcd_bitmap() or lcd_remote_bitmap() without warnings due to different prototypes. The user of screen->bitmap() then needs to ensure the correct type of bitmap is being passed for that screen - which can be done by having an array of bitmaps, one per screen. |
| 14:16:35 | Lynx_ | LinusN: that sounds naughty |
| 14:16:40 | PaulJam | the .c (or .h) file where the failed hunks occured. |
| 14:16:46 | LinusN | if it starts to work when you squeeze them, it is a sign that you need to resolder the battery connectors |
| 14:16:54 | LinusN | Lynx_: lol |
| 14:16:59 | Tyronemaskell | cheers guys |
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| 14:17:44 | Bleistift | hm, I've measured the whole battery part with a multimeter |
| 14:18:15 | Bleistift | from the minus spring to the left bar 0 ohm |
| 14:18:25 | LinusN | Bleistift: with the batteries in place? |
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| 14:18:33 | Bleistift | no |
| 14:18:52 | LinusN | then you don't know if there is a crack in the solder joints |
| 14:19:02 | LinusN | are you the guy who asked in the forum? |
| 14:19:09 | Bleistift | and from the spring to the three left joints 0 ohm |
| 14:19:19 | Bleistift | yes. |
| 14:19:25 | LinusN | i replied there too |
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| 14:20:49 | Bleistift | i didn't apply any force because i had to hold that measuring cables |
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| 14:21:19 | Bleistift | and the solder jionts look good... |
| 14:21:54 | LinusN | they often do |
| 14:22:21 | Bleistift | and mine also measured good |
| 14:22:28 | Bleistift | to you think |
| 14:22:50 | Bleistift | i should re-solder that critical joints |
| 14:22:55 | LinusN | yes i do |
| 14:23:19 | LinusN | try to bend the pcb outwards |
| 14:23:31 | LinusN | then you see if it lets go off the chassis |
| 14:23:53 | Bleistift | no it doesn't |
| 14:24:05 | Bleistift | because of the 6 joints |
| 14:24:24 | Kitt0s | how come patches like scrollmargins and the album art thingi aren't implented into rockbox? |
| 14:24:52 | LinusN | Bleistift: have you tried the hard drive in another device, like a usb enclosure? |
| 14:25:04 | Bleistift | that fix it on the bars |
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| 14:25:19 | LinusN | Kitt0s: because they are buggy and incomplete |
| 14:25:32 | Bleistift | i've connected it to my computer via an 2,5->2,5" adapter |
| 14:25:38 | Bleistift | right now |
| 14:25:43 | Bleistift | works fine |
| 14:25:46 | LinusN | ok |
| 14:25:53 | Bleistift | smart data looks good |
| 14:25:54 | Kitt0s | so why aren't the coders taking them and making them a stable built-in option |
| 14:25:58 | LinusN | then my bet is on the batteries or the ata connector |
| 14:26:10 | Bleistift | hitachi drive fitnss reports 0 errors |
| 14:26:15 | LinusN | Kitt0s: lack of time and interest, i suppose |
| 14:26:32 | Kitt0s | hmm, to bad then |
| 14:26:43 | LinusN | Kitt0s: for example, the margins patch is not the preferred way of doing it |
| 14:27:05 | Bleistift | hm, thanks! |
| 14:27:05 | LinusN | but the preferred way requires a lot of work |
| 14:27:32 | LinusN | Kitt0s: so it's more or less a catch 22 |
| 14:28:28 | LinusN | i once wanted to commit the margins patch, because it's better than nothing |
| 14:28:30 | Kitt0s | yep |
| 14:28:56 | linuxstb_ | I would quite like to see the album art patch committed, and started looking at it the other week. I need to find time to go back to it... |
| 14:29:19 | LinusN | there we go again...time... ;-) |
| 14:29:33 | LinusN | spare time, where art thou? |
| 14:29:54 | Kitt0s | when is 3.0 due? 2010? |
| 14:30:24 | PaulJam | in may |
| 14:30:25 | LinusN | Kitt0s: that's as good as any guess |
| 14:31:12 | aliask | Apart from the playback glitches, what else needs going for 3.0? |
| 14:31:17 | aliask | *doing |
| 14:31:24 | Kitt0s | realy? may? thats like.. 7-8 months.. nice :] |
| 14:31:38 | petur | may 2006 ;) |
| 14:32:12 | Kitt0s | lol |
| 14:32:19 | Kitt0s | that sounds better :] |
| 14:34:14 | linuxstb_ | So is 3.1 in November 2006 still on schedule? |
| 14:34:48 | preglow | why, of course! |
| 14:34:50 | Bg3r | linuxstb_: do you really think it is ?:D |
| 14:35:45 | Bg3r | yeah... 3.0 in 15 of Oct, 3.1 in the end of Nov |
| 14:37:40 | Bleistift | but linus how would you interpret that: http://home.arcor.de/tobal/ArchosJukeboxR/jbr_archos_boot.mp3 |
| 14:38:07 | Bleistift | its the sound of my ajr booting into archos firmware |
| 14:39:00 | Bleistift | which of course isn't finished |
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| 14:41:27 | * | preglow dropkicks thunderbird |
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| 14:43:11 | Kitt0s | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6861.0 |
| 14:43:17 | Kitt0s | what do u think? |
| 14:43:18 | aliask | iriver remote support is better than 50% isn't it? |
| 14:47:56 | aliask | Kitt0s: Having photos in the Tag DB might be besides the purpose of the database - Image files don't have much useful metadata for sorting. |
| 14:48:27 | Kitt0s | not sorting, just being there... |
| 14:48:35 | Kitt0s | un sorted |
| 14:48:43 | aliask | As for Extras and Settings, they're available in the main menu, so they don't really need to be there. Remember, we're not trying to emulate the iPod firmware. |
| 14:49:29 | PaulJam | what would be nice for the tagcache db would be the ability to specify a link to a hd folder |
| 14:49:38 | Kitt0s | i know we are not, but it could be so much easy then all those extra buttons for the settings |
| 14:50:01 | aliask | PaulJam: I agree. |
| 14:51:43 | Kitt0s | LinusN: why can't Settings Display be implented? is it that buggy? |
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| 14:57:05 | obo | can anyone test a patch on an Archos for me please? |
| 14:57:28 | Bleistift | ok, i'll re-assemble my ajr now... |
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| 14:57:44 | Bleistift | that means i have to log off |
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| 14:58:00 | Bleistift | because the hdd is still connected to my pc |
| 14:58:08 | Bleistift | bye |
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| 14:58:16 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: By "Settings Display", do you mean this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5833 |
| 14:58:26 | Kitt0s | yes |
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| 14:58:51 | Kitt0s | its a realy nice feature |
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| 15:00:05 | linuxstb_ | See the last comment - the patch doesn't apply to the current source any more - so it needs someone to update it. |
| 15:00:26 | Kitt0s | i know |
| 15:00:43 | Kitt0s | but if a coder will make it a built-in option.. it wouldn't need an update everytime |
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| 15:01:47 | linuxstb_ | But that's at least one reason why it's not part of the official source - it hasn't been kept up to date so it can't be committed easily. Before then, it appeared to be buggy (from reading the comments) |
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| 15:03:38 | lowlight | Here was my take on "scroll margins" (left margin anyway): http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5907 |
| 15:03:56 | Kitt0s | well everything would be 'buggy' if someone won't take it and make it right.. thats why the rockbox is in development. |
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| 15:09:35 | linuxstb_ | lowlight: That looks nice. I can't think of a reason not to commit it... |
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| 15:10:26 | pondlife | Are there any bundled WPSs that rely on the %s and don't have it at the start of the line? |
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| 15:13:59 | LinusN | pondlife: i assume you mean "start of the subline" as well? |
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| 15:15:14 | pondlife | Yes |
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| 15:16:31 | lowlight | linuxstb_: time :) ... I'm firewalled at work & have kids at home. |
| 15:17:26 | LinusN | lowlight: there are ways to penetrate firewalls |
| 15:17:48 | lowlight | I also wanted more testing. I tested most cases I could think of. The bundled wps's were ok. |
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| 15:18:48 | * | LinusN wants viewports |
| 15:19:25 | * | amiconn doesn't like the setings display patch at all |
| 15:19:31 | linuxstb_ | But something like lowlight's patch could also be used within a viewport? |
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| 15:20:21 | lowlight | LinusN: Hmmm... actually there's 1 pc that's not on the company network, but they recently wiped it clean because of viruses...so I need to reinstall the cygwin stuff. |
| 15:20:39 | dan_a | amiconn: Don't like the concept, or don't like the implementation? |
| 15:20:43 | * | LinusN uses a tunnel |
| 15:21:07 | webguest20 | He-he. Everyone asked marsdaddy to post his work on WMA to FS. But since he'S done it not much has happened. Is this still a hot topic? |
| 15:21:56 | LinusN | webguest20: well, i guess my statement about clueful people and wma still stands :-) |
| 15:22:10 | pondlife | Hot topic? Well, Marsdaddy's house burnt down... maybe it was MS trying to stop him...? |
| 15:22:52 | * | pondlife is only joking, Bill |
| 15:22:55 | LinusN | no, i had already sent my goons when he submitted the patch - i couldn't stop them |
| 15:23:05 | pondlife | Ah that's ok then |
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| 15:26:08 | webguest20 | E... "hot topic" and "house burnt down" −− I didn't mean to make a sarcastic joke by that phrase |
| 15:27:05 | webguest20 | So one shouldn't expect a working WMA playback anytime soon, right? Good that the OF can do it, I have some WMA files (not many though) |
| 15:27:22 | preglow | soon and soon |
| 15:27:32 | preglow | the code's there now, so some other guy could finish it |
| 15:28:00 | webguest20 | preglow: "could", not "will" |
| 15:28:46 | preglow | "could" is the only thing you'll ever see around here |
| 15:28:52 | preglow | but more than one has shown interest in doing it |
| 15:30:17 | webguest20 | preglow: that's what I'm wondering about: so much interest before and then suddenly everything is still. Is it harder than everyone expected it to be? |
| 15:30:47 | preglow | assume it is, i haven't had a close look myself yet |
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| 15:32:28 | webguest20 | Well, the OF is not bad for that purpose. |
| 15:36:39 | preglow | i think it's bad for every purpose, heh |
| 15:36:46 | preglow | especially playing music |
| 15:37:03 | preglow | linuxstb_: didn't you try to rerip the wma code out of ffmpeg? |
| 15:37:41 | amiconn | dan_a: I don't like the concept. Presenting setting and value on the same screen looks just ugly |
| 15:37:59 | amiconn | The recording trigger screen does that, and it's one of the ugliest screens in rockbox... |
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| 15:39:30 | amiconn | Maybe on a screen as big as the iPod videos' it looks okay, but on anything smaller - no |
| 15:39:42 | My_Sic | hie everyone |
| 15:40:04 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I made a start on it, but there is a lot more ripping needed to remove all the ffmpeg stuff... |
| 15:41:07 | linuxstb_ | webguest20: I don't think anyone thought a WMA codec would be easy... |
| 15:41:55 | webguest20 | linuxstb_: well, up to a certain degree yes. But that it's THAT hard... :-) |
| 15:42:36 | webguest20 | Out of curiousity: what exactly is hard? Copmression/decompression algorithms? Or fixed point math? |
| 15:44:26 | My_Sic | Does someone is able to give me write permissions on TWiki in rockbox ? PV me please |
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| 15:45:19 | preglow | webguest20: a good mixture of all, i'd say |
| 15:45:31 | LinusN | My_Sic: which WikiName? |
| 15:46:44 | LinusN | My_Sic: i think you should read the text on the registration page again |
| 15:47:14 | webguest20 | preglow: and what is harder to implement (in your opinion): WMA or MP§ decoding (if done from scratch)? |
| 15:47:20 | LinusN | My_Sic: especially the part that says "Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy." |
| 15:47:29 | preglow | webguest20: MP§ ? |
| 15:47:30 | LinusN | or MySic |
| 15:48:31 | My_Sic | My WikiName is MySic,yes you have true, it's not my first and last name |
| 15:49:04 | LinusN | My_Sic: then i will delete it |
| 15:49:14 | My_Sic | ok |
| 15:49:39 | webguest20 | preglow: I mean MP3 (visually almost MP§ :-))) |
| 15:49:46 | My_Sic | sorry i re-register me with my first and last name |
| 15:50:05 | godzirra | So anyone have any updates on the 2048 bit sector size? |
| 15:50:09 | godzirra | i.e. 5.5g? |
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| 15:52:18 | preglow | webguest20: well, wma isn't documented so i wouldn't really know |
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| 15:52:39 | Kitt0s | hmm, i have a question, the id3 database, y shouldn't it be generated by a program on the PC? it takes ages on the mp3 player.. |
| 15:52:50 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: We're still waiting for someone with such an ipod to fix Rockbox... |
| 15:55:50 | webguest20 | preglow: and how does WinAmp play WMA? Isn't the plugin open source? Then the only problem would be fixed point math. |
| 15:55:56 | LinusN | webguest20: "only" |
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| 16:01:17 | preglow | webguest20: same code, so yes, that and memory management issues |
| 16:01:18 | daurn | Rob isn;t around |
| 16:01:23 | daurn | SCREEM!!! |
| 16:03:02 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...this time was recorded as an 100 split in the logs, too |
| 16:04:40 | lowlight | webguest20, preglow: doesn't winamp just use the WMA codec from Windows media player. |
| 16:04:58 | webguest20 | preglow: how about http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/Math/index.html? |
| 16:05:37 | preglow | i assume whoever does the port already knows fixed point |
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| 16:06:28 | godzirra | linuxstb_: what all needs to be done? |
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| 16:07:24 | webguest20 | preglow: yes, you are right. But just for the case... http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q5480035/icfp2003/src-html/fixed.html |
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| 16:09:30 | preglow | too low precision to be useful |
| 16:12:14 | godzirra | Hrm. |
| 16:12:21 | godzirra | what package do I need in debian to get arm-elf-gcc? |
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| 16:14:42 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: The main thing to do is to find out what needs to be done... |
| 16:15:39 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: You don't get it from a package, you compile it yourself from source. The rockboxdev.sh script in the tools/ directory of the Rockbox source can automate it for you. |
| 16:15:41 | godzirra | linuxstb_: See, thats the part i'd likely have the most trouble with :/ I'm still setting everything up and seeing if there's anything I ca ndo. |
| 16:15:45 | godzirra | linuxstb_: yeah, I fonud... |
| 16:15:47 | godzirra | *found |
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| 16:19:48 | godzirra | linuxstb_: so there's no hard fast easy way to change it? nothing as simple as changing 512 to 2048? ;) |
| 16:20:06 | godzirra | I guess I should let more skilled people handle it, since I really have no idea what I'm even looking for :/ |
| 16:25:20 | godzirra | linuxstb_: Ok, i'm confused. |
| 16:25:34 | godzirra | linuxstb_: a -lot- of people say they have rockbox running on a 5g with 1.2 firmware... |
| 16:25:41 | godzirra | at least thats what it looks like reading the forums. |
| 16:25:44 | godzirra | am I msising something? |
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| 16:31:29 | linuxstb_ | godzirra: Either a) The list of "Late 2006" 5g serial numbers on the Apple website is incorrect; or b) You did some combination of update/restore that caused itunes to change the sector size - something that most other 5g users haven't done. |
| 16:34:20 | godzirra | And there's no otherway to see if yo1~u have a 5g or a 5.5g? |
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| 16:34:49 | godzirra | and other people have done it :) |
| 16:34:53 | godzirra | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6818.0 |
| 16:35:01 | godzirra | this guy has the same problem as me, where it says parameter incorrect |
| 16:35:05 | godzirra | when he tries to use ipodpatcher |
| 16:35:14 | godzirra | I've noticed a few other people with the same problem in the forums |
| 16:35:18 | godzirra | not many, but a few. |
| 16:36:31 | godzirra | linuxstb_: Oh well, if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. I'd like to contribute as much as I can. |
| 16:37:23 | dan_a | It sounds to me like maybe Apple have started shipping disks that are formatted slightly differently |
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| 16:38:22 | godzirra | dan_a: They did. |
| 16:38:47 | godzirra | From what I understand (and this very well may be wrong) they're formatted with 512bytes / sector, but do something weird to makei t look like 2048 bytes per sector? |
| 16:38:57 | godzirra | I didnt really understand the whole virtual sector size comments |
| 16:42:12 | linuxstb_ | My understanding is this: the USB disk mode which is implemented in software (in the Apple firmware), presents the disk to the host computer as having 2048 byte sectors. But in reality (i.e. to Rockbox running on the ipod), the disk only has 512 byte sectors. So the partition table and (I assume) the FAT filesystem itself stores sector pointers in terms of 2048-byte sectors, but Rockbox is interpreting them to mean 512-byte sectors... |
| 16:43:11 | dan_a | Why in $^@%'s name would they do that? |
| 16:43:20 | godzirra | to keep people from overwriting their firmware? :) |
| 16:43:34 | hcs | someone suggested transfer efficiency |
| 16:44:11 | godzirra | sigh. itunes is transferring 2 of every song |
| 16:44:13 | godzirra | I hate itun~es |
| 16:44:47 | godzirra | I guess i'll try anapod until rockbox is working. |
| 16:51:53 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I'm going to have a go at the coprocessor code again soon. I don't suppose you've had any ideas of what could be wrong on PP502X machines? |
| 16:52:16 | linuxstb_ | No - I need to try and investigate that again. |
| 16:52:26 | dpro | godzirra: or use gnupod/gtkpod doesn't mindlessly obfuscate the filenames aswell |
| 16:53:04 | godzirra | dpro: its primarily on a windows box. :/ |
| 16:53:17 | godzirra | dont ask.. I have a windows box that I have to use for work (which I then ssh to a linux box to do real work on)... |
| 16:53:34 | linuxstb_ | You need a different job :) |
| 16:53:59 | godzirra | You have no idea. |
| 16:54:17 | * | dan_a uses a Windows laptop ssh'd into Linux boxen too |
| 16:55:00 | godzirra | dan_a: Thats not the reason I need a different job ;) |
| 16:55:06 | * | hcs uses ssh to get some use out of the Windows computer labs... |
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| 16:55:10 | dpro | godzirra: sorry I tend to forget that people are using other oses ;) |
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| 16:56:19 | dpro | godzirra: whenever I was forced to work on a win32 box the steps where like 1) install a tool to make it autofocus windows, 2) install cygwin, 3) install emacs |
| 16:58:13 | * | amiconn doesn't like window autofocus at all |
| 16:58:36 | godzirra | dpro: there's a tool to autofocus windows? Where? |
| 16:58:38 | amiconn | Even window auto-raising on focus is annoying |
| 16:58:41 | godzirra | amiconn: I love sloppy focus. |
| 16:58:47 | godzirra | I dont like autoraising |
| 16:58:50 | godzirra | but I do like sloppy focus. |
| 16:58:55 | * | dan_a wants focus-follows-mind |
| 16:59:44 | amiconn | godzirra: There are several possibilities for auto-focus on winows. Note that I didn't try a single one |
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| 17:01:50 | godzirra | amiconn: hey, to each their own |
| 17:02:21 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: If you have a minute, can you look at this patch which is my proposed solution for the screen->bitmap warnings. The only thing I don't like is how I've had to change the bitmap functions themselves to introduce a new variable - can you think of a better way? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/voidbitmaps.diff |
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| 17:04:10 | godzirra | dpro: so what tools did you use to autofocus? |
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| 17:05:52 | * | dpro googles |
| 17:06:54 | godzirra | I can google... was just curious if you had one you preferred. |
| 17:07:42 | dpro | IIRC it was http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/nt/TXMouse/ |
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| 17:08:17 | dpro | it's years that I seriously touched a windos box ... |
| 17:08:40 | hcs | ...in passion |
| 17:09:48 | _dave | hi! i have loaded rockbox, however when i boot the interface is upside down! i have a 20gb h10 btw... any ideas? i have used an older release which displays the interface correcrtly, but the latest or the daily builds display everything upside down! |
| 17:09:48 | godzirra | I have a windows box at home I use a lot. |
| 17:09:50 | godzirra | For games. |
| 17:10:49 | dpro | godzirra: hehe ... I like to play gcc or fluxus or ghosctscript or pure data or .... there is a gameboy with tetris in my bathroom though ;) |
| 17:10:50 | linuxstb_ | _dave: There is a setting to make the display upside down - try resetting your settings... |
| 17:11:56 | _dave | yes i will, but i thought if i loaded it from scratch it would be default anyways |
| 17:12:00 | _dave | thx :) |
| 17:12:10 | preglow | one of these days we should have a big, big forum poll to find out which features people actually use... |
| 17:12:23 | linuxstb_ | _dave: So is this the first time you've installed Rockbox? |
| 17:12:37 | dpro | hcs: no ... what's love got to do with IT ;) I just feel so crippled without all my shortcuts and a roottailed log window, middle click paste, filename/arg completion etcetcetc |
| 17:12:58 | _dave | no, done a few times.. but each time i have removed the .rockbox dir, and the other file completely.. does it store settings elsewhere then? |
| 17:13:13 | linuxstb_ | _dave: Yes - in an otherwise unused disk sector. |
| 17:13:32 | _dave | ah i see, ok i will reset, thanks for your help :) |
| 17:13:45 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I would like someone to set up a website for people to upload their config files to - and then produce lots of nice statistics... |
| 17:15:29 | preglow | linuxstb_: would rockb |
| 17:15:37 | preglow | i'd really love to start cutting out some features, heh |
| 17:16:52 | linuxstb_ | But how many people using a feature is enough to warrant inclusion in CVS? |
| 17:16:52 | godzirra | dpro: I'm a gamer at heart. I play WoW and Oblivion and Fear, and other random weird crap. |
| 17:17:01 | godzirra | New Super Mario Brothers is one of my favorits lately :0 |
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| 17:17:11 | linuxstb_ | Or do we just strip out the 10 least used features every year... |
| 17:17:20 | preglow | linuxstb_: say welcome to controversy |
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| 17:17:36 | linuxstb_ | I see the Player code is still in CVS... |
| 17:17:55 | * | dpro is going to the pool |
| 17:17:57 | dpro | ttyl |
| 17:18:00 | preglow | linuxstb_: so it seems! |
| 17:18:20 | hcs | fixed libNotSo up |
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| 17:24:01 | godzirra | dpro: you use TX mouse? |
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| 17:32:13 | amiconn | linuxstb_: 2 remarks: (1) You don't need to touch the mono_bitmap functions. Mono bitmap format is identical on all targets |
| 17:32:45 | amiconn | (2) Did you tyr to change just the function declarations to use void*, and leave the actual definitions as fbdata* ? |
| 17:32:51 | amiconn | s/tyr/try/ |
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| 18:15:31 | godzirra | damnit. gnupod doesnt appear to be possible to get working under win32 :/ |
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| 18:18:13 | godzirra | So can anyone recommend something other than iTunes to use with my faux 5.5g until rockbox works? |
| 18:19:33 | amiconn | Why don't you use linux, then? |
| 18:19:51 | amiconn | (maybe I remember wrong, but aren't you a linux user?) |
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| 18:20:11 | godzirra | I am, but I use my ipod mostly at work where I have a windows box. |
| 18:21:07 | amiconn | Well, if you can install things, you could use VMware player together with a suitable linux image |
| 18:21:51 | godzirra | Hmmm.. thats true. |
| 18:22:10 | godzirra | I have a linux partition on this pc... just dont want to reboot everytime to copy music. |
| 18:22:55 | godzirra | I'm downloading vmware player now |
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| 18:38:55 | Kitt0s | how can i copy ipod songs into the pc? |
| 18:40:39 | nls | Kitt0s, drag and drop doesn't work? |
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| 18:41:20 | Kitt0s | drag from where? |
| 18:41:32 | nls | ipod? |
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| 18:41:54 | Kitt0s | as in G:\iPod_Control\Music\..? |
| 18:42:02 | nls | yes |
| 18:42:09 | nls | filenames are scrambled |
| 18:42:11 | Kitt0s | but its wich shitty file names |
| 18:42:14 | Kitt0s | i know |
| 18:42:21 | Kitt0s | hmm |
| 18:42:27 | Kitt0s | if id3 tag is ok |
| 18:42:30 | petur | say 'thank you apple' |
| 18:42:33 | Kitt0s | i can use tag&rename |
| 18:42:46 | nls | sure |
| 18:43:38 | nls | but itunes doesn't change tags so if you edit metadata in itunes it is only stored in itunesdb |
| 18:44:09 | Kitt0s | dude my ipod was fucked up |
| 18:44:18 | Kitt0s | the db is gone or something |
| 18:44:23 | Kitt0s | because all the files are there |
| 18:44:29 | Kitt0s | but nothing is showen on itunes \ ipod |
| 18:44:43 | Kitt0s | so i copy the iTunesDB.backup |
| 18:44:48 | Kitt0s | and it shows the file on itunes |
| 18:44:52 | Kitt0s | but not on the ipod |
| 18:44:55 | Kitt0s | :\ |
| 18:45:00 | petur | complain to apple |
| 18:45:07 | Kitt0s | lol |
| 18:45:07 | Kitt0s | yea |
| 18:45:07 | Kitt0s | :D |
| 18:45:09 | petur | or buy a proper player |
| 18:45:13 | petur | or use rockbox |
| 18:45:24 | Kitt0s | just gonna get the mp3s out and move to rockbox |
| 18:45:25 | Kitt0s | :D |
| 18:45:40 | nls | good choice :) |
| 18:45:42 | godzirra | I've been trying to use rockbox on my ipod. :( |
| 18:46:11 | godzirra | wish I could downgrade my damned firmware :/ |
| 18:46:35 | godzirra | so is there no way to etll if its a 5.5g or a 5g other than serial number? |
| 18:48:29 | Ribs | I think the 5.5 is slimmer |
| 18:49:20 | godzirra | but no way to tell without opening the box? |
| 18:49:26 | godzirra | i.e. I can't tell at the store? |
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| 18:50:17 | Kitt0s | how can i convert .m4a to mp3? |
| 18:50:26 | godzirra | google m4a mp3 converter ;) |
| 18:50:51 | petur | isn't m4a = aac ? |
| 18:51:01 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Regarding 1) It just seemed more consistent to change them all - especially as the mono targets do "#define lcd_mono_bitmap lcd_bitmap". But I could probably keep the mono functions the same. Regarding 2) - yes, I tried, but gcc just gives me errors or warnings if I don't make all the prototypes and definitions the same. |
| 18:51:48 | linuxstb_ | petur: m4a is most commonly aac, but it's just a generic container - Apple also use it for Apple Lossless. You can even store MP3 streams in .m4a (in theory). |
| 18:52:01 | petur | ah |
| 18:52:04 | preglow | yes, yes, let's not do that |
| 18:52:16 | linuxstb_ | I think it would be a good idea... |
| 18:52:27 | petur | I have a bunch of m4a's and they all turned out to be aac |
| 18:52:32 | linuxstb_ | Get rid of all those nasty MP3 tagging hacks |
| 18:52:34 | preglow | petur: they almost always are |
| 18:52:40 | preglow | linuxstb_: true enough, but they're working ... |
| 18:52:45 | preglow | people should stop using mp3 anyway |
| 18:53:01 | petur | ? |
| 18:53:13 | linuxstb_ | VBR seeking doesn't work well... |
| 18:53:46 | petur | all my mp3's are VBR, but I never use seeking |
| 18:53:47 | preglow | Bagder: would you happen to know how to make autoconf not spout a ton of -DHAVE_LOL on my command line? i know they don't appear if you create a config.h, but i don't want a config.h ... |
| 18:53:49 | Kingstone | linuxstb, has anyone started working on decrypting the nano? |
| 18:54:17 | preglow | linuxstb_: it won't work well in m4a either unless you use a huge seektable |
| 18:54:22 | nls | is the nano encrypted? |
| 18:54:27 | preglow | nls: indeed |
| 18:54:38 | * | nls wonders how to encrypt a dap |
| 18:55:14 | linuxstb_ | preglow: .m4a also adds timestamps to packets, so you know where you are in the stream... (iiuc) |
| 18:55:37 | preglow | linuxstb_: does it now |
| 18:55:46 | preglow | nls: use a sledgehammer |
| 18:55:58 | Kingstone | linuxstb, just wanna see if there is hope somewhere, i know little about encryption |
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| 18:56:38 | preglow | Kingstone: someone is working on it, but not any rockbox people that i know of |
| 18:57:05 | Kingstone | ipodlinux guys? |
| 18:57:14 | preglow | yeah |
| 18:57:18 | Kingstone | slowcoder? |
| 18:57:23 | preglow | don't know whom |
| 18:57:27 | preglow | can't remember |
| 18:58:05 | Kingstone | if you know a guy who works on it and needs help, tell me, i'm willing to help |
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| 19:20:13 | webguest20 | Hello. I just noticed that during the credits plugin is working the backlight always stays ON (on my H120). Is this a bug or a feature? |
| 19:22:05 | obo | webguest20: looking at the code, it seems to be a feature |
| 19:22:20 | preglow | feature, so it's readable without having to push a button (which exits the plugins)= |
| 19:22:23 | preglow | plugin |
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| 19:24:21 | webguest20 | Aha! Thanks! I just thought it might be a bug since RB is so paranoic about battery :-) |
| 19:24:25 | Dma-Sc | is it the same on doom now? |
| 19:25:37 | nls | when would you play doom withot touching the buttons |
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| 19:26:55 | Dma-Sc | when you're waiting for a monster coming at the corner? :) but i could just check doom code to see if it had been done or not |
| 19:27:36 | Dma-Sc | or showing the demo replay to friends (main purpose of this plugin isn't it ;) |
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| 19:32:07 | Dma-Sc | btw someone was talking about a .spc replay codec, but i can't see it as patch, would that be available anywhere else to try? |
| 19:32:47 | preglow | good god, i don't think soi |
| 19:32:49 | preglow | but if there is... |
| 19:34:46 | Dma-Sc | that would be neat indeed :) |
| 19:35:23 | * | preglow downloads the ff6 soundtrack in anticipation |
| 19:35:30 | preglow | but like i said, i think i'd notice such a patch, heh |
| 19:35:59 | Dma-Sc | ok |
| 19:36:21 | preglow | seems there is a .nsf player, though |
| 19:37:36 | Dma-Sc | but of a shame that the .sid plugin deosn't handle digi stuff btw, but i guess it's based on early emulation of that soundchip so it probably doesn't handle correct filtering as well. still better than nothing of course :) |
| 19:38:23 | Dma-Sc | it would have been nice to get the nezplug library working as this one handle many chip/systems emulation |
| 19:40:23 | preglow | digi stuff? |
| 19:40:31 | preglow | no emulators i know of handles the filter well |
| 19:40:49 | preglow | the rockbox sid codec actually handles tunes that use the 8580 sid chip very well |
| 19:41:02 | preglow | but like all other emulators, it does a poor job on tracks made with a 6581 chip |
| 19:41:04 | Dma-Sc | well sidplay doesn't nice filtering emulation |
| 19:41:24 | Dma-Sc | argh |
| 19:41:29 | Dma-Sc | doesn't > does |
| 19:41:49 | preglow | in that case something has to have happened recently |
| 19:41:54 | preglow | it sucked a couple of years ago |
| 19:42:07 | Dma-Sc | also it handle 6581/8580 differencies |
| 19:42:21 | preglow | i don't think've seen any emulator that tries to model the 6581 filter properly |
| 19:42:27 | preglow | mainly because it's one hell of a job, heh |
| 19:42:31 | preglow | that filter is fucked up |
| 19:42:35 | Dma-Sc | it hasn't been updated super lately but big changes in sound occured at once yes |
| 19:42:55 | Dma-Sc | yeah crazy analog stuff anyway :) |
| 19:43:15 | Dma-Sc | also yes there are digi instruments in some sid |
| 19:44:12 | preglow | ah, you mean samples? |
| 19:44:22 | preglow | hmm, i thought the rockbox codec did handle samples |
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| 19:45:06 | preglow | i've got a sidstation myself, and i'll shout in glee the day i find that someone has emulated the filter in the 6581 successfully, but i'm not exactly optimisitic |
| 19:45:30 | preglow | people have spent hundreds of hours trying to simulate filters faaar simpler than the one in this thing |
| 19:45:34 | Dma-Sc | oh a sidstation, slick stuff :) |
| 19:45:59 | preglow | 'tis indeed |
| 19:46:02 | * | preglow strokes sidstation |
| 19:46:48 | Dma-Sc | but yeah, when i want to hear proper sid, i rely in recording rather than emulation |
| 19:46:54 | Dma-Sc | in > on |
| 19:48:14 | Dma-Sc | if all soundchips were as simple as the ym2149 there wouldn't be all those emulation problems (but pretty basic sound all over yeah ;D) |
| 19:48:14 | preglow | yeah, ditto |
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| 19:52:19 | kierskoe | hello all, can anyone help me on an issue with rockbox and the ipod nano |
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| 20:01:32 | linuxstb | kierskoe: What's the problem? |
| 20:01:45 | kierskoe | hi |
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| 20:02:47 | kierskoe | well i booted up rockbox on a nano and all was going well, but now when i turn it on all it brings up is a "restore with ipod updater" screen |
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| 20:04:36 | linuxstb | I think one or two people have reported that problem as well in the past - but I don't know if anyone found the cause. |
| 20:05:03 | kierskoe | damn |
| 20:05:31 | linuxstb | Do you still have the "rockboot.bin" file you created during the initial installation? |
| 20:05:39 | kierskoe | yup |
| 20:06:18 | linuxstb | Try writing that to your ipod again. You'll need to force your ipod into disk mode. |
| 20:08:31 | kierskoe | if i format the ipod will rockbox be able to install the bootloader again? |
| 20:09:23 | linuxstb | Yes, but that's a last resort. I would just try restoring the rockboot.bin first. |
| 20:10:29 | kierskoe | how do i force the ipod into disk mode? |
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| 20:10:52 | linuxstb | Reboot by holding MENU+SELECT, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY. |
| 20:12:04 | kierskoe | k says "ok to disconnect" |
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| 20:17:30 | kierskoe | i get |
| 20:17:59 | kierskoe | read in disk_readData error (cyclic redundancy check) |
| 20:18:45 | linuxstb | I guess that means either a) Your USB connection is dodgy; or b) the flash on your ipod is broken. |
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| 20:19:04 | linuxstb | b) would explain why your ipod suddenly stopped working. |
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| 20:19:57 | kierskoe | USB port is ok |
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| 20:20:50 | kierskoe | ipod could be foobared though, as it failed to communicate with itunes before i loaded rockbox |
| 20:23:38 | kierskoe | reckon i should take it back and get it replaced? |
| 20:25:01 | linuxstb | Well, if it's not working... |
| 20:25:12 | kierskoe | i hear ye |
| 20:25:20 | kierskoe | thanks for the help anyway mate |
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| 20:37:56 | mattzz | any archos recorder hackers online? |
| 20:39:32 | mattzz | uhm, I guess this unit is far too old :-) |
| 20:39:37 | Lear | linuxstb: recognizing the error "Gain control not yet implemented" from libfaad? |
| 20:39:57 | amiconn | mattzz: me, at least |
| 20:40:20 | mattzz | Hey, long time no see! |
| 20:40:46 | amiconn | And the unit is old, yes, but it's not outdated |
| 20:41:03 | mattzz | Absolutely! |
| 20:41:33 | mattzz | I am struggling with screen.c - the software-shutdown is broken since the button code has been updated |
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| 20:42:08 | amiconn | I know |
| 20:42:34 | amiconn | I wanted to try some things myself, but the I have many half-ready changes here :/ |
| 20:42:55 | mattzz | I see |
| 20:43:32 | mattzz | Should the simulator support the off-button in the way the hardware does? |
| 20:43:38 | amiconn | For the player, cvs is severely broken atm |
| 20:44:02 | amiconn | It boots, but if you want to resume -> "Stkov scroll"§ |
| 20:44:06 | amiconn | -§ |
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| 20:44:55 | * | amiconn is going to do a binary search for the commit that caused it |
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| 20:45:14 | mattzz | guess the keymap is broken. So it was for the recorder in some way |
| 20:45:15 | amiconn | Soft shutdown should work in the sim |
| 20:45:36 | mattzz | Pressing "enter" on the num-pad should work? |
| 20:45:45 | mattzz | That is interesting... |
| 20:46:28 | amiconn | Hmm, if you're on cygwin, Num-Enter probably won't work |
| 20:46:36 | mattzz | nah, on debian |
| 20:46:40 | amiconn | That's a problem of the Win32 SDL port |
| 20:47:02 | linuxstb | Lear: No, never seen that. |
| 20:47:27 | Lear | I get it after 45k decoded samples on a file... |
| 20:48:01 | linuxstb | My AAC test suite only has one file in it though. |
| 20:48:18 | Dma-Sc | is it possible to use 4 gray levels bitmap for wps elements on h120? if yes, would that use more battery than monochrome bitmap? |
| 20:49:07 | Lear | dma-sc: I use gray bitmaps. Any difference would be very small, I think... |
| 20:49:33 | Dma-Sc | difference on battery load you mean? |
| 20:50:01 | Lear | yes |
| 20:50:01 | preglow | Lear: looks like an aac ssr error |
| 20:50:15 | Dma-Sc | lear : ok thanks :) |
| 20:50:21 | Lear | ssr? |
| 20:50:25 | preglow | scalable sample rate |
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| 20:50:31 | preglow | lets you peel off the upper bands of a file |
| 20:50:34 | preglow | not something we want to support |
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| 20:50:41 | preglow | aac lc is what almost everyone uses anyway |
| 20:50:59 | Lear | but this is a LC AAC file, afaik. |
| 20:51:06 | preglow | then i have no idea what's wrong, heh |
| 20:52:35 | amiconn | hummmm! |
| 20:53:44 | Dma-Sc | does someone knows how to build rockbox without plugins? |
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| 20:54:07 | petur | make bin |
| 20:54:30 | hcs | will that make codecs, too? |
| 20:54:44 | petur | err.. no |
| 20:54:54 | petur | only the rockbox file |
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| 20:55:00 | petur | iirc |
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| 20:56:25 | Moos | Hi there ! |
| 20:57:13 | petur | hcs: no, "make bin" doesn't build the codecs, just the rockbox.[target] file |
| 20:58:46 | petur | make help |
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| 20:59:08 | petur | will show the possible make options |
| 20:59:29 | petur | ha! it misses the bin one :) |
| 20:59:34 | hcs | petur: thanks, but I doesn't show make bin, so I wondered |
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| 21:00:11 | amiconn | Hrrm, the 'stkov scroll' only happens when running rombox. More testing... |
| 21:00:30 | petur | hcs: make help is just a bunch of echo's - somebody didn't update it when make bin was added |
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| 21:01:33 | mattzz | amiconn, did you file your button-probs in the forum? There is a gigantic thread about button probs |
| 21:17:25 | Dma-Sc | lear : 2bits bitmap makes it 4 colors isn't it? black, white and 2 level of gray? |
| 21:17:39 | mattzz | gotta go - c u |
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| 21:18:49 | Lear | dma-sc: yep. |
| 21:18:58 | Dma-Sc | lear : thanks |
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| 21:27:26 | Dma-Sc | lear : btw, what is your wps like? |
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| 21:28:48 | Lear | Fairly simple, using the bitmaps mainly to make a fancier status and progress bar. |
| 21:29:31 | Dma-Sc | ok, is available somewhere? :) |
| 21:29:36 | Dma-Sc | +it |
| 21:30:05 | Lear | No. I've thought about adding it to the wiki, but never got around to it... |
| 21:30:22 | Dma-Sc | ah ok |
| 21:32:56 | markun | hi there Moos! |
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| 22:04:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | The big red circle? |
| 22:06:13 | linuxstb | Yep. |
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| 22:13:00 | amiconn | It's lamed's splash() change that causes the crash on player... |
| 22:13:30 | amiconn | Ha, and I even know why... |
| 22:14:29 | amiconn | It only happens when running rombox... meaning that the text passed to splash() can be in ROM... so direct modification of the input parameter (as the new splash() code does) cannot work |
| 22:14:31 | amiconn | Urgh! |
| 22:14:47 | * | amiconn wonders why gcc doesn't complain... |
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| 22:16:20 | amiconn | It also means that it will crash on other romboxable targets too... all archoses ('cept fmr and recv2 atm), plus H1x0 |
| 22:17:41 | amiconn | Mno, that can't be the problem... |
| 22:19:05 | amiconn | Buffer overflow it seems... |
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| 22:19:35 | preglow | h1x0 flash is copied to ram, so it won't happen there |
| 22:19:49 | amiconn | It is? |
| 22:19:54 | * | amiconn wonders why |
| 22:19:55 | preglow | yes, afaik |
| 22:20:02 | preglow | rockbox hung if the image was kept in flash |
| 22:20:12 | preglow | this is the last i heard, at least, and i don't think it's changes since |
| 22:20:13 | amiconn | Then there's a bug |
| 22:20:19 | preglow | Slasheri: though you're free to elaborate |
| 22:20:25 | preglow | amiconn: it can hardly be anything else |
| 22:20:26 | amiconn | But anyway, the prob is different |
| 22:23:17 | amiconn | Doing vsnprintf() to a buffer with a string possibly longer than the destination buffer, and then using strtok_r() on that is certainly not good |
| 22:23:39 | amiconn | If the string is larger than the destination, the trailing \0 won't be there |
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| 23:19:02 | mumble123 | i have a question regarding a possibly busted h320... |
| 23:19:14 | petur | ouch |
| 23:19:50 | pabs | i have a question about my h120 that i lost and had to buy an x5 60G instead |
| 23:19:51 | mumble123 | i may have fried something when i connected a battery pack with the polarity reversed |
| 23:20:02 | pabs | namely, what kind of dumbass loses an h120? |
| 23:20:25 | mumble123 | now it only boots into the bootloader usb mode...does this in both the iriver and rockbox firmwares.. |
| 23:21:09 | mumble123 | is there some proggie i could use to relfash the firmware via usb to see if its maybe only a scrambled firmware? the iriver fw does seem to read the drive contents just before it goes into bootloader mode |
| 23:22:20 | petur | mumble123: if you reversed the polarity, you probably fried one or more chips |
| 23:22:41 | * | mumble123 sighs |
| 23:22:59 | petur | seems the cypress chip got hit? |
| 23:23:04 | mumble123 | what i figured..but i wanted to hope just a bit more...damn radio shack... |
| 23:23:22 | mumble123 | cypress chip? |
| 23:23:33 | petur | usb-ata bridge |
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| 23:24:38 | petur | mind you, this is all just guessing, it may be something else |
| 23:24:50 | mumble123 | oh...well..it could be, i have no way of knowing...all i know is that the data still seems to be on the hd and its readable...somewhat.. |
| 23:25:12 | petur | you mean it's accessible over usb? |
| 23:25:20 | mumble123 | gonna try that next.. |
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| 23:26:07 | petur | hmmm even the webclient is against him... |
| 23:27:26 | * | petur wonders what could be wrong with his isp1362 irq handler |
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| 23:35:37 | Goombah | So how hard is it? |
| 23:36:00 | nls | I don't think anyone tried |
| 23:36:12 | Goombah | What is it? |
| 23:36:26 | Goombah | Oh, rockbox |
| 23:36:33 | Goombah | Understand it's not too hard |
| 23:36:51 | Goombah | Despite the name . . . *rock* box. Ha |
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| 23:37:34 | scorche | |,,| |
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| 23:45:20 | Davide-NYC | Just purchased an H320 for the wife |
| 23:46:20 | vertic420 | how much? |
| 23:49:45 | Davide-NYC | 125 |
| 23:49:58 | Davide-NYC | anyone familiar? |
| 23:50:10 | Davide-NYC | It has US firmware 1.02 |
| 23:50:21 | Davide-NYC | I'm going to flash with KR 1.29 |
| 23:50:34 | Davide-NYC | then RB (of course) |
| 23:51:58 | Davide-NYC | anything I need to know?> |
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| 23:53:15 | nls | your DRM "features" will be irreversibly gone (oh noes!) |
| 23:53:24 | craigshih | how do you ask for write permissions |
| 23:53:45 | nls | craigshih, basically you come here and ask for it |
| 23:53:58 | craigshih | oh |
| 23:54:00 | nls | so will you spam the wiki? |
| 23:54:18 | craigshih | no... |
| 23:54:23 | craigshih | of course not |
| 23:54:31 | nls | what's your wiki name? |
| 23:54:46 | craigshih | craigshih |
| 23:55:04 | scorche | craigshih: what is your last name? |
| 23:55:12 | craigshih | shih |
| 23:55:25 | scorche | alright...just making sure =) |
| 23:55:27 | craigshih | the wiki name is CraigShih |
| 23:55:28 | craigshih | ea |
| 23:55:49 | craigshih | *yea |
| 23:56:00 | nls | should be added now |
| 23:56:21 | craigshih | thanks |
| 23:56:26 | craigshih | let me check |
| 23:57:02 | craigshih | I know this is a dumb question, but how do you log in? |
| 23:57:13 | craigshih | >_< |
| 23:57:17 | scorche | you log in when you attempt to edit a page |
| 23:57:31 | craigshih | oh |
| 23:57:34 | nls | click edit on apage |
| 23:58:02 | craigshih | is there already a doom plugin topic? |
| 23:58:15 | nls | yes PluginDoom |
| 23:58:45 | craigshih | cant find it... |
| 23:58:58 | nls | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginDoom |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).