| 00:00:08 | pepie34 | the disk/ram things |
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| 00:00:59 | amiconn | pepie34: Guess what apps/plugins/lib/ is for. Also, most codecs use an appropriate library (mpa.codec uses libmad etc), statically linked |
| 00:01:40 | pepie34 | but i really do not understand the cost of having library that is dynamicaly linked (but not shared) |
| 00:02:13 | amiconn | The cost is code complexity (and hence code size increase) in the core, where we don't want it |
| 00:02:15 | Bagder | it would mean dynamic memory |
| 00:02:27 | pepie34 | bagder why? |
| 00:02:29 | * | amiconn was about to say that |
| 00:02:36 | Bagder | if you have N different libs |
| 00:02:39 | Bagder | each would be loaded |
| 00:02:48 | amiconn | pepie34: Ahem, you need memory to load the library into? |
| 00:03:01 | Bagder | well, perhaps you can get away with a simple approach for plugins only |
| 00:03:07 | pepie34 | yes but you need memory to load the plugin too |
| 00:03:31 | amiconn | Yes, and that is fixed size, fixed position -> very simple to check whether the plugin fits or not |
| 00:03:35 | Bagder | pepie34: still, your use case doesn't convince us ;-) |
| 00:03:50 | pepie34 | you know exactly the size of the memory you need when loading the plugin |
| 00:04:04 | pepie34 | (and its dependent library) |
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| 00:05:14 | Bagder | librarIES |
| 00:05:21 | pepie34 | yes |
| 00:05:33 | amiconn | More disk activity on load, more calculations, more code. All disadvantages |
| 00:05:49 | amiconn | I don't see any advantage |
| 00:05:53 | pepie34 | may be that evolution |
| 00:05:59 | amiconn | any _real_ advantage, that is |
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| 00:06:12 | Kalthare | Is there a known problem with text display? |
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| 00:07:14 | pepie34 | ok i will not try to convinced you further |
| 00:07:23 | pepie34 | convince |
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| 00:07:39 | pepie34 | may in few months... |
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| 00:07:42 | pepie34 | ;- |
| 00:07:44 | Bagder | you'll need to tell us compelling arguments why it is so good |
| 00:08:13 | Bagder | we rather waste some extra 100K of disk space than make the code complicated and bigger |
| 00:09:13 | PaulJam | Kalthare: what do you mean? |
| 00:09:20 | pepie34 | the pseudo-os used on ti92/89... is very thin and have relocation |
| 00:09:42 | Kalthare | Most of the WPSes I've tried are putting text in the wrong places. |
| 00:09:44 | Bagder | pepie34: that's not a compelling argument |
| 00:09:44 | JdGordon | morning guys, can I commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808#comment10776 ? i thin its the best way to do it without adding bulk to the bin, and keep speed down |
| 00:09:56 | amiconn | pepie34: How much mass storage capacity do those devices have? |
| 00:10:10 | PaulJam | Kalthare: have you downloaded the fonts package? |
| 00:10:23 | amiconn | That might be a strong factor; all rockboxable devices have _at least_ 128MB |
| 00:10:50 | amiconn | Wasting a few 100K on disk doesn't matter nearly as much as wasting a few K in RAM |
| 00:11:02 | Kalthare | PaulJam: Nngh. Right, I forgot. Thanks. |
| 00:11:09 | pepie34 | amicon less than 1mb flash and maybe 2mb ram |
| 00:11:33 | amiconn | [00:07:39] <pepie34> may in few months... <== Rockbox will soon have its 5th anniversary |
| 00:11:44 | pepie34 | at leats for the first ti92 generation |
| 00:12:12 | amiconn | Yeah, with only 1MB flash saving mass storage makes sense. It's a completely different situation |
| 00:13:28 | pepie34 | and talking about complexity, the way the plugin api is exposed to the plugin (the pointer to the plugin_struct...) is very complicated and ugly |
| 00:13:37 | pepie34 | (the word is said) |
| 00:13:51 | Bagder | its not complicated, but it could possibly be called uglt |
| 00:13:53 | Bagder | ugly |
| 00:14:15 | Moos | JdGordon: this patch seems to be a great feature |
| 00:14:17 | pepie34 | :) |
| 00:14:39 | JdGordon | Bagder: amiconn: ^ ? |
| 00:14:56 | JdGordon | Moos: thats the 4th incarnation :p |
| 00:14:57 | PaulJam | JdGordon: will the folder list be editable that you can remove folders that you don't want to be included in the shuffle? |
| 00:15:22 | Moos | JdGordon: hehe, let's hope this is the final one :) |
| 00:15:31 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yes, the gennerator needs a bit of work, and the main thing that will be added is that |
| 00:15:46 | JdGordon | it cant be a plain text file tho because its way too slow |
| 00:15:49 | amiconn | JdGordon: Haha, 'morning' is funny, although technically correct. |
| 00:15:59 | amiconn | It's just 15 minutes after midnight here |
| 00:16:04 | JdGordon | :) |
| 00:16:10 | pepie34 | :) |
| 00:16:22 | Moos | here the same 00:15 :) |
| 00:16:31 | petur | JdGordon:does it only shuffle it once (at creation)? |
| 00:16:33 | pepie34 | me too |
| 00:17:01 | JdGordon | petur: it never shuffles it, at the end of the playlist it just chooses one randomly untill it chooses one with music in it |
| 00:17:10 | petur | ah |
| 00:17:12 | JdGordon | it takes about 1s to change "cds" with this |
| 00:17:32 | Moos | that seems to be cool |
| 00:17:41 | JdGordon | .. and if the list is not there then it falls back to just the next flder like curently |
| 00:17:49 | Moos | user point of view that is ;) |
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| 00:18:14 | mirak | pepie34: well maybe you could help for ffmpeg ... |
| 00:18:24 | pepie34 | ? |
| 00:18:34 | pepie34 | ????????????? |
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| 00:18:59 | mirak | pepie34: I am doing mpeg2 plugin from ffmpeg. but the differents mpeg formats share to much code |
| 00:19:35 | mirak | pepie34: maybe you can suggest ffmpeg team how to improve that :D |
| 00:19:40 | PaulJam | JdGordon: can't you instead use the database from dircache (if it is enabled) to pick a directory? i don't really like the idea to run the plugin everytime i add or remove music. |
| 00:19:44 | pepie34 | you mean in a ffmpeg codec port for rockbox |
| 00:19:49 | pepie34 | ? |
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| 00:21:04 | Moos | JdGordon: planed to commit the patch? |
| 00:21:12 | pepie34 | mirak I'm currently looking how relocation work on homebrew kernel for TI (for example the universal OS is a about 15kB compiled binary) |
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| 00:21:34 | pepie34 | it uses coff format |
| 00:22:09 | JdGordon | PaulJam: i tried, it just over complicates it, and the dircache structure isnt perfect, bassically because there is no way to know how many directories are there |
| 00:22:20 | JdGordon | Moos: just waiting for the OK for the core devs |
| 00:22:48 | Moos | if anyone complained that is a good thing :) |
| 00:22:51 | mirak | pepie34: yes, currently we ported libmpeg2, it wasn't hard because it's a stands by itself, but in ffmpeg various mpeg codecs, like h264, wmv mpeg2, share a lot of functions, since most of the mpeg process is similar for all codecs. |
| 00:23:01 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Couldn't you extend dircache to keep a count of the number of directories? |
| 00:23:07 | * | Moos thought to amicon :) |
| 00:23:25 | mirak | pepie34: I only have a ti-82 :) |
| 00:23:47 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: probably, but doing that means that if you dont use dircache, you cant use this, and it would add more code |
| 00:23:58 | pepie34 | maybe you can have your own loader along with your codec |
| 00:24:36 | pepie34 | but it means that you need to have the possibility to allocate the memory need for the code and the data of your libs |
| 00:24:50 | pepie34 | s/need/needed/ |
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| 00:28:16 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: I just think that if dircache is available, it should be used - it would be perfect for this kind of feature. But I agree that it would basically mean implementing the same feature twice, which isn't good... |
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| 00:32:01 | pepie34 | mirak the only thing i must say for tonight is to look at this old things: |
| 00:32:04 | pepie34 | http://doors.ticalc.org/doorsosd.zip |
| 00:32:20 | pepie34 | in the source diredtory there is a relocation.c file |
| 00:32:29 | pepie34 | comments are in french sorry |
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| 00:33:50 | pepie34 | sorry also the Doc/progFormats.txt |
| 00:34:21 | mirak | pepie34: I am not the good interlocutor, that's a bit to complex for me |
| 00:34:36 | pepie34 | which described the binary format that is used (based on coff if i remeber) |
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| 00:37:07 | pepie34 | ok good night so |
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| 00:58:24 | Moos | good night or day at all ! |
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| 01:07:27 | maedhros | during the installation to my ipod mini, i kinda screwed up. it works, but i don't have the original firmware. any ideas on how to reinstall this firmware? |
| 01:09:37 | maedhros | i do still have the apple_os.bin backup of it |
| 01:10:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then redo the step that creates rockboot.bin and write the new rockboot.bin over. |
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| 01:13:41 | maedhros | k |
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| 01:38:38 | scorche | MarcoPolo: after you get that set up, please disable it for this channel ;) |
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| 01:44:54 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 01:46:22 | preglow | yes |
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| 02:02:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Some patch discussion is relevant for the forums, I think. I posted a clarification after your post that summarize my view of the issue at least. |
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| 02:09:32 | wafflesomd | balls |
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| 02:10:55 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: good call |
| 02:11:38 | wafflesomd | too much talking |
| 02:11:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nobody around for me to call stupid. ;) |
| 02:12:15 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: apple os is better |
| 02:12:45 | scorche | ugh...that was such a poor attempt at trolling =( |
| 02:12:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
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| 03:01:51 | NickDe | do people really come here to troll about Rockbox? |
| 03:02:09 | scorche | some do, yes |
| 03:02:12 | NickDe | or.. I mean about Apple IPod OS being better..and why would anyone want to make a thirdparty firmware? |
| 03:02:24 | NickDe | I just installed Rockbox on my x5 and its fucking outrageously great |
| 03:02:33 | NickDe | just default install |
| 03:02:34 | NickDe | no themes |
| 03:02:35 | NickDe | I love it |
| 03:02:43 | NickDe | minimal, gapless etc.. |
| 03:03:02 | Quazgaa | i like my x5 as well |
| 03:03:03 | NickDe | I mean the x5 firmware/ui was fine and all. but this is just spot on.. I love it.. |
| 03:03:18 | NickDe | yeah man.. |
| 03:03:34 | NickDe | I had an iRiver H3xx then sold it for the x5..had the x5 for about a year or so now.. |
| 03:04:05 | NickDe | whats there to troll about? ha ha ha.. because your fiddling with the perfection that is Apple's IPod design? |
| 03:04:19 | NickDe | ::sarcasm:: |
| 03:05:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Basically, yes. |
| 03:06:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | We're not "intuitive" because apparently having the button labelled "Menu" go to the menus, instead of using it as a "Back" button (which is what the AppleOS does) is confusing. |
| 03:06:09 | scorche | heh...i remember when the apple forums got wind of us once...that was an entertaining thread |
| 03:06:18 | NickDe | ha ha ha |
| 03:06:22 | NickDe | whats is there problem.. |
| 03:06:29 | NickDe | they dont HAVE to use it |
| 03:06:36 | NickDe | were they just upset that it even existed |
| 03:06:49 | NickDe | that it challenged and criticized the Apple IPod firmware? |
| 03:06:59 | scorche | "Rockbox claims to have gapless...winamp doesnt even have gapless!!" |
| 03:07:02 | scorche | or some such |
| 03:07:06 | NickDe | HA HA HA |
| 03:07:06 | NickDe | wtf |
| 03:07:17 | NickDe | that Rio had gapless and flac |
| 03:07:23 | NickDe | I forget the name for the life of me |
| 03:07:37 | NickDe | not carbon |
| 03:08:12 | NickDe | in anycase.. kool aide swallowing apple fan boys are like that |
| 03:08:25 | NickDe | you should have seen them and their uproar about the Blackhat wireless vulnerability.. |
| 03:08:34 | scorche | i did |
| 03:08:42 | NickDe | they called the researchers a liars and the whole thing a hoax..how could there be a flaw in an apple product |
| 03:08:51 | NickDe | my god |
| 03:09:03 | NickDe | I know the researchers personally.. and those apple users are fucking nuts |
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| 03:09:53 | scorche | as do i ;) ...blackhat/defcon are some of the most fun weekends of my year |
| 03:11:11 | NickDe | it was the rio karma... |
| 03:11:14 | NickDe | that had gapless and flac |
| 03:11:17 | NickDe | like 3 years ago? |
| 03:11:18 | NickDe | more maybe? |
| 03:11:20 | NickDe | in anycase.. |
| 03:11:22 | NickDe | good stuff |
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| 03:22:50 | XavierGr | NickDe: what changed your choice and you sold your H300 for an X5? |
| 03:23:04 | NickDe | FLAC |
| 03:23:09 | NickDe | X5 could do FLAC |
| 03:23:11 | XavierGr | yeah but now? |
| 03:23:19 | NickDe | I sold it about a year a go |
| 03:23:20 | NickDe | or more |
| 03:23:26 | XavierGr | oh bad luck I supporse |
| 03:23:29 | XavierGr | suppose |
| 03:23:34 | NickDe | Nah I like my x5 a lot better than my iriver |
| 03:23:40 | XavierGr | why is that? |
| 03:23:50 | XavierGr | what do you think is better? |
| 03:24:04 | XavierGr | I mean what features? |
| 03:24:05 | NickDe | well .. flac, video, etc.. the whole look and feed... |
| 03:24:10 | NickDe | they both had great sound quality |
| 03:24:12 | XavierGr | video? |
| 03:24:18 | NickDe | x5 could do video out of box |
| 03:24:20 | NickDe | yeah I know |
| 03:24:22 | XavierGr | vah |
| 03:24:23 | XavierGr | ah |
| 03:24:25 | NickDe | the h3xx could with the kor firmware |
| 03:24:27 | NickDe | also |
| 03:24:28 | Genre9mp3 | *iriver defense mode enabled* :P |
| 03:24:32 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 03:24:35 | NickDe | I didnt like where the company was going |
| 03:24:41 | XavierGr | me too |
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| 03:24:44 | NickDe | I liked the fact x5 had advertised LINUX support on the webpage |
| 03:24:47 | NickDe | that was neat of them |
| 03:24:52 | NickDe | and they advertised FLAC support |
| 03:25:01 | NickDe | I liked the philosophy of Cowon more than iRiver |
| 03:25:05 | NickDe | I dont like the h10's |
| 03:25:11 | XavierGr | yeah they suck big time |
| 03:25:14 | NickDe | and Cowon doesnt seem to abandon their products |
| 03:25:19 | XavierGr | but H100 and H300 are quite good |
| 03:25:20 | NickDe | the x5 is still going strong at Cowon.. |
| 03:25:26 | XavierGr | the best in my opinion |
| 03:25:32 | NickDe | oh the H100 was the most badass player in my opinion |
| 03:25:34 | NickDe | with fucking OPTICAl out |
| 03:25:39 | XavierGr | what? |
| 03:25:51 | NickDe | the iRiver Hxx had optical in;out |
| 03:25:55 | NickDe | I thought... |
| 03:25:55 | XavierGr | yes |
| 03:25:56 | NickDe | it did |
| 03:25:57 | NickDe | yeah |
| 03:25:59 | NickDe | thats badass |
| 03:26:00 | XavierGr | they have |
| 03:26:03 | XavierGr | why? |
| 03:26:06 | NickDe | why not |
| 03:26:11 | NickDe | thats fucking hilarious |
| 03:26:14 | XavierGr | it can come handy sometimes |
| 03:26:14 | NickDe | on a DAP |
| 03:26:22 | XavierGr | especially a recording one |
| 03:26:23 | NickDe | yeah I am saying its a good thing |
| 03:26:27 | NickDe | its impressive |
| 03:26:29 | NickDe | you dont see that anymore |
| 03:26:40 | XavierGr | so why you say dumbass? |
| 03:26:46 | NickDe | I said badass |
| 03:26:48 | NickDe | as in |
| 03:26:51 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 03:26:53 | scorche | tone down the language please...this isnt part of IRC (or so we like to think) ;) |
| 03:26:53 | NickDe | thats awesome |
| 03:26:54 | godzirra | NickDe: I really loved my H120 |
| 03:27:16 | XavierGr | NickDe: your tone was like, optical out/in is rubbish |
| 03:27:18 | godzirra | Although to be honest, I never used it for more than playing mp3's. |
| 03:27:19 | NickDe | ha ha sorry.. I am all pumped about my Rockbox X% |
| 03:27:26 | NickDe | *5 |
| 03:27:46 | XavierGr | well okay, all daps are good if they are rockbox compatible |
| 03:27:58 | XavierGr | burn the others (or port them) ;) |
| 03:28:07 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: and iPods? :P |
| 03:28:19 | NickDe | but yeah to sum it all up.. I didnt like where iRiver was going with players.. the clix thing is stupid.. h10's suck in my opinion..the H3xx was the last good player they made.. Cowon has better designs and stuff still coming out.. and they have good philosophies when it comes to Linux / FLAC support... |
| 03:28:21 | XavierGr | I hate to say this but yes |
| 03:28:35 | Genre9mp3 | Hehe...that's quite a statement! |
| 03:28:40 | Genre9mp3 | ^Xavier |
| 03:28:48 | XavierGr | NickDe: I aggree on the above |
| 03:28:53 | NickDe | yeah.. |
| 03:29:09 | XavierGr | still I would never sold my h300 for an x5 (but in your case flac was very important) |
| 03:29:33 | NickDe | it was |
| 03:29:34 | Genre9mp3 | NickDe: Though Cowon's philosophy is what iriver used to have |
| 03:29:39 | NickDe | and back when I did it Rockbox wasnt viable |
| 03:29:49 | NickDe | yes it is..and I like it.. |
| 03:29:55 | NickDe | thats why I was an iRiver guy before.. |
| 03:30:09 | XavierGr | yeah I can't say I am an iriver guy anymore |
| 03:30:23 | XavierGr | their daps are sucky and a disgrace |
| 03:30:29 | NickDe | the H1xx was so nice .. looks, nice remote with LCD screen..just great stuff all around. |
| 03:30:30 | Genre9mp3 | Only thing that bothers me in the X5 is the use of subpack |
| 03:30:33 | XavierGr | their turned to an Apple wannna be |
| 03:30:35 | NickDe | yes |
| 03:30:39 | NickDe | subpack is weird |
| 03:30:42 | NickDe | but .. I dont use it too much |
| 03:30:46 | NickDe | it stays at home for charging/transfer |
| 03:30:53 | XavierGr | ah so you have an H100? |
| 03:31:06 | NickDe | nooo.. I wanted one..but they discontinued it and had to get an H3xx |
| 03:31:13 | NickDe | but I knew all about it |
| 03:31:23 | NickDe | I did get the LCD remote for the H3xx and rocked that for a while at school |
| 03:31:26 | NickDe | people were impressed |
| 03:31:27 | XavierGr | I am a lucky one and have 2 of them :) |
| 03:31:38 | NickDe | I know Cowon has an LCD remote for my x5 |
| 03:31:40 | XavierGr | (H100s) |
| 03:32:06 | godzirra | I've got a 5.5g :/ |
| 03:32:11 | godzirra | I cant get rockbxo on it yet :( |
| 03:32:14 | XavierGr | ewwwww! |
| 03:32:16 | godzirra | NickDe: I really wanted an h3x :p |
| 03:32:22 | XavierGr | godzirra: you will soon |
| 03:32:27 | XavierGr | or so I think |
| 03:32:33 | godzirra | XavierGr: I hope so... I miss my rockbox. ;p hehe |
| 03:32:40 | Genre9mp3 | godzirra: Someone in the channel today said that he managed to run Rockbox on a 5.5g |
| 03:32:48 | scorche | oh? |
| 03:32:50 | scorche | i missed that |
| 03:32:50 | XavierGr | what was your previous dap godzirra? |
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| 03:33:09 | scorche | Genre9mp3: who? |
| 03:34:00 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: Kalthare |
| 03:34:05 | scorche | ah |
| 03:34:06 | scorche | good |
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| 03:35:11 | skruwilus | anyone here using mencoder to convert movies to their iaudio? |
| 03:35:19 | skruwilus | i was wondering about how to convert them |
| 03:35:30 | godzirra | XavierGr: H-120 |
| 03:35:31 | skruwilus | i have tired a few times but i end up with really choppy and crappy quality |
| 03:35:34 | skruwilus | without sound |
| 03:35:35 | godzirra | Ooh, kalthare managed it?? |
| 03:35:45 | godzirra | crud.. he didnt post anything about it, that I can see :/ |
| 03:35:58 | skruwilus | anyone using their player for movies? |
| 03:36:00 | Genre9mp3 | godzirra: Check the logs |
| 03:36:37 | godzirra | skruwilus: I don't really see the point :) |
| 03:36:41 | godzirra | honestly. |
| 03:36:46 | godzirra | Genre9mp3: I dont have anything that logs. |
| 03:36:56 | skruwilus | godzirra: naw, like southpark epidodes or whatnot |
| 03:37:00 | skruwilus | i just wanna try it out |
| 03:37:00 | scorche | godzirra: the site has logs |
| 03:37:09 | godzirra | skruwilus: I thought about tossing deadwood on there. |
| 03:37:11 | godzirra | from my tivo |
| 03:37:14 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20061008.txt |
| 03:37:27 | skruwilus | yeah |
| 03:37:33 | skruwilus | well i cannot get it working :( |
| 03:38:18 | scorche | hrm |
| 03:38:28 | scorche | he got it running, but the issue hasnt been solved yet |
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| 03:39:03 | godzirra | ok |
| 03:39:10 | godzirra | yeah, it seems like it doesnt work with his solution |
| 03:39:13 | godzirra | damn... got my hopes up :) |
| 03:39:18 | Genre9mp3 | yes... it seems that Windows can't recognize it |
| 03:39:22 | scorche | it works |
| 03:39:31 | scorche | but not available for gteneral use |
| 03:39:38 | godzirra | scorche: he said it doesnt work. |
| 03:39:48 | godzirra | I thought |
| 03:39:53 | godzirra | or maybe I misunderstood |
| 03:39:53 | scorche | read again |
| 03:40:13 | godzirra | oh, it works but you have to use mtools to t ransfer anything? |
| 03:40:24 | Genre9mp3 | godzirra: yes |
| 03:40:28 | godzirra | windows and linux can't see the partition |
| 03:40:28 | godzirra | got it |
| 03:40:29 | scorche | dont worry about it yet ;) |
| 03:40:31 | godzirra | oh well. |
| 03:40:36 | godzirra | Yeah, I know ;) |
| 03:40:42 | godzirra | I'm just over reager. |
| 03:40:42 | godzirra | eager |
| 03:40:49 | scorche | patience! |
| 03:43:04 | godzirra | yeah yeah.. I know ;) |
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| 03:59:39 | skruwilus | shit |
| 03:59:43 | skruwilus | i got the movie working |
| 03:59:46 | skruwilus | but there is no audio support |
| 03:59:52 | skruwilus | bah |
| 03:59:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Please try to avoid that sort of language in here. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:00 | skruwilus | oh |
| 04:00:01 | skruwilus | sorry |
| 04:00:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | And the official page on our mpegplayer plugin states that audio isn't supported yet. :-P |
| 04:01:52 | skruwilus | yeah |
| 04:01:54 | skruwilus | i saw that |
| 04:01:58 | skruwilus | and i think its sad |
| 04:02:05 | scorche | then fix it |
| 04:02:07 | skruwilus | whats the point without sound |
| 04:02:22 | skruwilus | i hope they fix it soon |
| 04:02:31 | * | scorche sighs and gives up |
| 04:02:36 | skruwilus | scorche: i wish i could help out, but i just dont have the time |
| 04:02:50 | skruwilus | scorche: but i agree with your point, i should not bitch about it |
| 04:02:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | skruwilus: Well, many of the people working on it don't have much time, and a lot of us don't particularly care about video |
| 04:03:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, it's not likely to improve until someone who does care about it finds the time |
| 04:03:13 | skruwilus | i get that |
| 04:03:14 | midkay | scorche: giving up after so much effort? that "then fix it" statement really must have taken a lot of effort. |
| 04:03:42 | scorche | midkay: not really..i just put forth a minimal effort, then saw that it wasnt worth it |
| 04:03:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | The person who did a lot of the initial effort for Mpeg Playback is waiting for dual core support to end up working so that Audio can be added on iPod without a performance hit |
| 04:05:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Unfortunatley the WIP dual core support in the tracker doesn't seem to work on 5G iPods. |
| 04:07:27 | skruwilus | so, how does it look then? is anyone working on audio support atm? |
| 04:08:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't believe anyone's working on audio support at all for the moment |
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| 04:10:02 | * | Paul_the_Nerd could be wrong |
| 04:14:07 | k0rnz | does the rockbox installer 1.0 work on 1st Gen Nanos with 1.2 firmware? |
| 04:15:02 | k0rnz | never mind |
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| 04:18:59 | * | Paul_the_Nerd wishes they wouldn't call it "The Rockbox Installer" without including some hint in the name it's unofficial. |
| 04:19:21 | | Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") |
| 04:22:47 | sneakums | Kalthare: that sounds like i could just hack the usb-storage driver to report 512-byte sectors and then proceed as for the 5G |
| 04:24:32 | sneakums | Kalthare: although i think i'm missing something |
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| 04:27:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Agh. |
| 04:28:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Someone posted a suggestion that we use an installer, that as far as I can tell, will only let Rockbox be easily installed on someone using a Windows formatted iPod on a Mac computer, and since it doesn't reformat for you, it would theoretically lead to more confusion when someone thinks it works and Rockbox won't run. |
| 04:28:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | </rant> |
| 04:29:55 | k0rnz | how do I get to the file browser to choose mp3s? |
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| 04:30:05 | k0rnz | I cant find it in any of my menus on a 1.2 ANano |
| 04:30:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 04:30:28 | k0rnz | i mean just that |
| 04:30:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | The very first screen you see in Rockbox, unless resume is enabled, is your Filetree or TagCace. |
| 04:30:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | TagCache |
| 04:32:58 | k0rnz | never mind i found it thanks |
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| 04:33:35 | sneakums | that was all very "..." |
| 04:33:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's about par for support requests. |
| 04:34:34 | sneakums | i guess the "help!" reflex is sharper than the thinking reflex in a lot of people |
| 04:35:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or the reading the manual reflex, which seems to have been trained out of existence. |
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| 04:36:57 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: maybe we should write a paper on it |
| 04:37:11 | scorche | i dont mind calling it the Louden phenomenon |
| 04:37:53 | scorche | well, not phenomenon, but a word that somehow excapes me atm |
| 04:38:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 04:39:48 | NickDe | does anyone know if the new IPOD features gapless playback? |
| 04:40:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | NickDe: We don't really concern ourselves with features of the retail firmware in here. |
| 04:40:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Apple makes a claim to it, but I think it's only under very limited circumstances. |
| 04:40:34 | sneakums | i think you have to mark the album as gapless in iChews |
| 04:40:54 | NickDe | ahhh ok |
| 04:41:04 | NickDe | ha ha ha thanks |
| 04:41:08 | NickDe | was talking to a friend on the outside |
| 04:41:13 | NickDe | wanted to "burst" his bubble |
| 04:41:14 | NickDe | thanks |
| 04:42:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Argh. New favorite enemy: People who expect me to somehow read their minds. |
| 04:42:58 | scorche | that is new? |
| 04:43:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nothing at all. |
| 04:43:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just finally reached my saturation point on that issue. |
| 04:43:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's now the top of my list, at least until BK comes back and tries to explain to me again how "Slow screen updates" is an irrelevant problem during a "Codec Efficiency Test" based solely on boost ratio. |
| 04:44:40 | * | Paul_the_Nerd has just had a bad real world week, and is perhaps jumping on people too easily this week. |
| 04:45:28 | * | scorche found that thread entertaining |
| 04:46:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm not a fan of ruling out any variable as "irrelevant" in any form of testing. |
| 04:47:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | I was thoroughly trained on the idea of "You cannot dismiss anything unless you can prove that it has not affected your testing, and then you can only dismiss it on the tests that this has been proved for" |
| 04:49:51 | * | Paul_the_Nerd wishes someone would respond to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6136 so he could know if he could close it. |
| 04:52:13 | * | midkay doesn't see any questions to respond to :) |
| 04:52:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | He never answered the first one. |
| 04:53:46 | midkay | he acknowledged it with a question about how to reset, which you answered.. so he should be reset by now and without any questions to answer, right? :) |
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| 04:54:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | midkay: i don't consider his question an answer to my first, but maybe. |
| 04:54:17 | Ersan | is there a program that keeps the ipod firmware xml and rockbox tagcache synced? |
| 04:54:37 | midkay | you asked if he reset, and he asked how to reset. |
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| 04:55:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | I got an implied "no" to the first one, but no actual answer. At least in my mind, and implied answer means nothing since it's not final. :) |
| 04:55:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'll ask if he still has the problem, then |
| 04:56:03 | midkay | *shrugs* just kidding around about the way you worded it :) |
| 04:56:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ersan: If you use iTunes to update the iPod, and then have TagCache rebuild your database, they will be in sync, as long as the tags on your files are fine. |
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| 04:56:34 | Ersan | nah |
| 04:57:05 | Ersan | i like the dir structure of rockbox and the interface of ipod fw |
| 04:57:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ersan: You mean "Use the iPod firmware with an arbitrary directory structure"? |
| 04:57:42 | Ersan | you know it |
| 04:58:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then you're in the wrong place to be asking. |
| 04:58:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Seeing as we really have nothing to do with the retail firmware. |
| 04:58:25 | Ersan | this i know |
| 04:58:27 | Ersan | does rockbox |
| 04:58:39 | Ersan | add tagcache entries when a file is sent to the harddrive? |
| 04:58:58 | Ersan | or does it scan again when you reboot it |
| 04:59:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | TagCache can be set to automatically update, but you have to reboot the player between connecting and playing songs anyway. |
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| 05:00:36 | Ersan | that totally didn't answer the question |
| 05:00:41 | Ersan | i guess it scans on boot? |
| 05:00:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Why does it matter when it scans, at all? |
| 05:01:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox isn't running while you transfer files, so the earliest possible time it can scan is during boot anyway. |
| 05:01:30 | Ersan | because i intend to write a patch that synchronizes and i'd like to know where to look? |
| 05:03:18 | * | Paul_the_Nerd recommends tagcache.c and tagcache.h |
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| 05:03:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | As I imagine the functions doing the work are a little more useful than when they're called. |
| 05:04:27 | Ersan | so it seems |
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| 05:12:05 | Ersan | so it runs build_tagcache? |
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| 05:37:22 | Burn | hi everyone |
| 05:38:13 | Burn | im having a problem, when i play a movie on my ipod in rockbox theres no sound and the pictures a little screwed, anyone know how to fix it? |
| 05:38:42 | Ersan | rvf? |
| 05:38:52 | Burn | wats rvf? |
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| 06:11:00 | | Join Burn [0] (i=cb333578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 06:12:15 | Burn | hey im having trouble with my rockbox, when i play a movie the picture is a little screwed and theres no sound, could anyone help me with my problem? |
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| 06:14:00 | scorche | Burn: we heard you the first time... |
| 06:14:50 | scorche | and perhaps why no one answered you, is because you havent searched and tried to find the answer yourself |
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| 06:15:03 | scorche | (look at the wiki) |
| 06:15:49 | Burn | could you tell me where abouts in wiki? |
| 06:16:11 | scorche | the search function =) |
| 06:16:20 | scorche | or perhaps the plugin index |
| 06:16:31 | scorche | there are a lot of ways to find out.. |
| 06:17:29 | Burn | ok |
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| 06:25:41 | Burn | does anyone use the mpegplayer on rockbox? |
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| 06:27:38 | RogerBacon | hi all |
| 06:27:56 | scorche | Burn: i am sure that you are not the only one... |
| 06:28:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | FINALLY! |
| 06:28:08 | * | Paul_the_Nerd does a victory dance. |
| 06:28:20 | scorche | o_O |
| 06:28:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | I finally convinced that guy an N64 emulator would not be feasible in Rockbox. |
| 06:28:28 | scorche | haha |
| 06:28:31 | scorche | congrats |
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| 06:28:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | I had assumed explaining that gameplay speed would be measured in "Minutes per Frame" rather than "Frames per second" would be enough. |
| 06:29:00 | scorche | but it would be good practice! |
| 06:29:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | You cannot emulate a 64-bit RISC CPU that runs at 96mhz on a dinky little iPod. |
| 06:29:18 | scorche | but it is dual-core@ |
| 06:29:21 | scorche | ! |
| 06:29:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 06:29:32 | RogerBacon | anybody here port rockbox on gigabeat-s ? |
| 06:29:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | He also couldn't understand why there wasn't some way to just "put" the emulator on there. |
| 06:30:09 | scorche | but you can!...just download an emulator from the internet and rename the executable to .rock |
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| 06:31:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's kinda what he wanted to do. |
| 06:31:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | "Which file would I have to put in the viewers folder?" was asked more than once. |
| 06:33:42 | scorche | i loved the "that is the easy way" topic as well |
| 06:34:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | I *love* saying "That is the easy way." |
| 06:34:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's just always so ridiculous to me when someone says "Surely there must be an easier way" or anything similar to that. As if I just tell them the hard way for fun. |
| 06:35:41 | scorche | JdGordon: there? |
| 06:36:32 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: i dont see how you and febs can stand to browse misticriver...i browsed there a couple days ago and i got a headache... |
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| 06:38:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | I can't stand it for long |
| 06:38:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | But I've found a checking up on it now and then provides a little preventative measure that helps prevent greater headaches later on. |
| 06:38:33 | scorche | true |
| 06:38:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's not easy though |
| 06:38:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | 'tis a scary place |
| 06:39:57 | scorche | aye...afterwards, i came back to rockbox.org and kissed and hugged the guidelines sticky |
| 06:40:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | I updated it slightly recently |
| 06:40:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | I added a few "Conventions" at the end regarding 1g/2g/3g vs 1gb/2gb/3gb and the use of "WPS" vs "Now playing screen" or "The music screen" and such |
| 06:41:23 | scorche | nice...i was going to ask if you wanted to add that actually.. |
| 06:41:59 | scorche | "us 1gb, 2gb, etc. (or 1Gb 2Gb) or type out full words" |
| 06:42:04 | * | scorche coughs |
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| 06:42:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | ? |
| 06:42:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Other than the "us" |
| 06:43:04 | scorche | that is all |
| 06:43:10 | scorche | =) |
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| 06:52:29 | sneakums | oh hey, there's a vfat blockize option |
| 06:52:55 | sneakums | (linux vfat filesystem mount option) |
| 06:54:23 | | Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 06:56:01 | sneakums | maybe i won't need to hack usb-storage at all |
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| 07:05:20 | Ersan | hm |
| 07:09:51 | Ersan | does anyone happen to have a backup of their nano firmware <1.2 |
| 07:09:55 | Ersan | that they can send me |
| 07:10:08 | godzirra | Ersan: I don't think you can downgrade from 1.2 :/ |
| 07:10:14 | godzirra | At least you can't on the 5g's... |
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| 07:10:46 | Ersan | nah not downgrade |
| 07:10:50 | Ersan | i can't find my backup |
| 07:11:03 | Ersan | and it's acting squirrely with itunes |
| 07:11:17 | Ersan | as soon as itunes recognizes it it disconnects |
| 07:11:38 | Ersan | so i can't run the restore |
| 07:11:50 | scorche | Ersan: was it apple_os.bin that you wanted? |
| 07:11:54 | Ersan | i have that |
| 07:12:06 | Ersan | bootpartition.bin |
| 07:12:12 | Ersan | unmodified |
| 07:14:08 | Ersan | yes/no/maybe |
| 07:14:09 | Ersan | ? |
| 07:14:46 | Ersan | or maybe figure out why it keeps disconnecting |
| 07:14:54 | scorche | what is it doing? |
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| 07:17:11 | Ersan | i plug it in |
| 07:17:13 | Ersan | itunes opens |
| 07:17:21 | Ersan | it mounts the drive |
| 07:17:35 | Ersan | then as soon as itunes recognizes it it unmounts |
| 07:18:11 | scorche | have you tried changing the option that auto-loads itunes? |
| 07:18:31 | scorche | (i have never touched itunes, so dont ask me where...) |
| 07:19:34 | Ersan | yeah it stays but now i can't run restore |
| 07:20:10 | scorche | it is coming up with a drive letter correct? |
| 07:20:19 | Ersan | yes |
| 07:20:44 | scorche | and as soon as you open itunes it disconnects? |
| 07:21:03 | Ersan | it unmountes yes |
| 07:21:05 | Ersan | mounts* |
| 07:21:08 | Ersan | if i try to run 'restore' |
| 07:21:27 | Ersan | it will act as if it's working for awhile and then say 'unknown error occured' |
| 07:21:33 | | Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) |
| 07:21:38 | Ersan | i'm just assuming that it doesn't like the rockbox bootloader |
| 07:22:00 | scorche | restore should work regardless |
| 07:22:08 | Ersan | it seems not |
| 07:22:27 | Ersan | 'Restoring ~iPod~... |
| 07:23:14 | Ersan | 'The iPod ~iPod~ could not be restored. An unknown error occured (1418). |
| 07:23:58 | Ersan | er |
| 07:24:06 | Ersan | now that i've googled it... |
| 07:24:10 | Ersan | wth? |
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| 07:24:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:24:54 | scorche | have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling itunes? |
| 07:26:50 | Ersan | i'll give it a shot i guess |
| 07:26:58 | Ersan | http://www.1418hell.com/ |
| 07:27:01 | Ersan | not encouraging |
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| 07:30:05 | scorche | actually, that appears to be a site dedicated to that error on shuffles... |
| 07:30:20 | Ersan | indeed |
| 07:30:34 | Ersan | hm |
| 07:31:04 | Ersan | well i need to restart before I can install GEAR |
| 07:31:06 | Ersan | so brb |
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| 07:32:08 | hcs | I'm working on making some code endian safe, is anyone around with a big endian target who can test? |
| 07:34:50 | godzirra | I've been told I have a big endian, but personally I think I'm just big boned. |
| 07:35:19 | hcs | quiet, you |
| 07:35:28 | godzirra | sorry... |
| 07:35:29 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:35:48 | hcs | "quiet, you" is meant in jest, btw |
| 07:35:57 | godzirra | I know ;) |
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| 07:36:09 | hcs | ah, good |
| 07:36:24 | godzirra | there's very little I take offense to on irc. :) |
| 07:36:43 | hcs | I somehow manage to accidentally offend people from time to time. |
| 07:36:50 | godzirra | People should be thicker skinned. |
| 07:36:55 | godzirra | its irc. I dont know any of you people really ;) |
| 07:37:02 | godzirra | and even I did... who cares. :) |
| 07:37:05 | hcs | I'd hate for anything to ruin our relationship. |
| 07:37:11 | godzirra | lol |
| 07:37:32 | Ersan | my ipod hates me :( |
| 07:37:38 | * | godzirra comforts ersan |
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| 07:37:51 | | Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) |
| 07:37:59 | hcs | godzirra: you actually have an ipod anyway, don't you |
| 07:38:08 | godzirra | Yup. |
| 07:38:13 | godzirra | How come? |
| 07:38:19 | godzirra | Is an ipod big endian? |
| 07:38:23 | hcs | little endian, so you are of no use to me |
| 07:38:31 | godzirra | Story of my life, my friend. |
| 07:38:39 | godzirra | ;) |
| 07:39:38 | Ersan | grr |
| 07:40:06 | Ersan | who was it that was sending me their unmodified firmware |
| 07:40:19 | scorche | no one as of yet... |
| 07:40:23 | Ersan | oh |
| 07:40:23 | Ersan | you |
| 07:40:30 | Ersan | yeah it doesn't appear to have worked |
| 07:40:49 | Ersan | 1418 |
| 07:40:52 | scorche | well, i dont mind sending it to you, but it carries no guarantees or even warranties |
| 07:40:55 | scorche | ;) |
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| 07:41:22 | Ersan | idc, i have a backup of the rockbox firmware if it doesn't work |
| 07:41:33 | Ersan | loader rather |
| 07:41:43 | scorche | i am going to need your email... |
| 07:41:50 | scorche | address |
| 07:41:59 | Ersan | haven't we been over this |
| 07:42:05 | scorche | no we havent |
| 07:42:22 | scorche | if it was in Pm, i didnt get it, which means you arent registered with nickserv |
| 07:42:30 | Ersan | oh |
| 07:42:33 | Ersan | ersan191@gmail.com |
| 07:42:45 | Ersan | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 07:42:46 | sneakums | is the .bin created by ipod_fw supposed to be much smaller than the boot partition on the ipod? |
| 07:42:47 | Ersan | hadn't read that |
| 07:43:10 | Ersan | someone's stolen my nick so i can't register |
| 07:43:28 | sneakums | if it wasn't registered, it's not stealing |
| 07:43:29 | hcs | sneakums: yes, quite a bit smaller |
| 07:43:32 | scorche | sneakums: it should be about 5 megs |
| 07:43:42 | sneakums | 13 here, for -g 5g |
| 07:43:57 | scorche | that too |
| 07:43:59 | Ersan | 5,059KB |
| 07:44:04 | Ersan | nano |
| 07:44:16 | scorche | i have 5,042KB for nano! |
| 07:44:22 | Ersan | yours is lame |
| 07:44:33 | scorche | mine is just on a diet |
| 07:45:33 | sneakums | hmm, it bounces into emergency disk mode really quickly |
| 07:45:41 | sneakums | it's not clear from what Kalthare if a vanilla bootloder was used |
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| 07:47:10 | ErikTheRed | um, hoping to get some help here |
| 07:47:10 | Ersan | lol |
| 07:47:14 | Ersan | scorche |
| 07:47:20 | Ersan | might not need |
| 07:47:21 | Ersan | hang on |
| 07:47:30 | * | scorche hides behind a tree |
| 07:47:37 | ErikTheRed | i really managed to mess up my ipod mini i was putting rockbox on |
| 07:47:45 | ErikTheRed | i kinda deleted the partition table |
| 07:47:48 | Ersan | i love how bad apple is at writing windows software |
| 07:47:53 | ErikTheRed | but i have backups of all the relevant stuff |
| 07:48:07 | ErikTheRed | but i'm having trouble restoring my mbr.bin |
| 07:48:48 | Ersan | lol |
| 07:48:51 | Ersan | god that was stupid |
| 07:48:54 | * | scorche consults his crystal ball to see if he can magically see what problem ErikTheRed is having |
| 07:49:13 | Ersan | i had to unplug it in the middle of it trying to restore |
| 07:49:16 | Ersan | then plug it back in |
| 07:49:19 | Ersan | and it worked |
| 07:49:48 | ErikTheRed | nm i just got it to work |
| 07:49:50 | ErikTheRed | that was dumb |
| 07:49:55 | ErikTheRed | i did the same exact thing as last time |
| 07:49:59 | ErikTheRed | but it decided to work this time |
| 07:50:10 | Ersan | that's the definition of apple |
| 07:50:12 | * | scorche cheers as his crystal ball solved 2 issues at once |
| 07:50:15 | * | ErikTheRed shrugs |
| 07:50:38 | * | scorche shrugs at Ersan |
| 07:50:44 | scorche | i do rockbox...not apple ;) |
| 07:51:09 | Ersan | i'm afraid i'm through with the rockbox :\ |
| 07:51:18 | scorche | why? |
| 07:51:20 | ErikTheRed | hehe i'm just glad i didn't have to pay for this ipod |
| 07:51:23 | Ersan | uglie |
| 07:51:28 | ErikTheRed | hand-me-downs for the win |
| 07:51:33 | scorche | ...there are themes |
| 07:51:40 | Ersan | so i've heard |
| 07:51:56 | sneakums | hmm, patched bootloader just goes directly to the emergency disk screen too |
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| 07:52:00 | Ersan | the themes don't add animation |
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| 07:52:12 | scorche | what do you mean? |
| 07:52:30 | sneakums | yes, Apple's jerky menu animation is quite the feature |
| 07:52:37 | Ersan | i mean it looks like i'm navigating a c64 no matter what theme i use |
| 07:53:00 | sneakums | sneakums/floydian-rockbox.png">http://zork.net/~sneakums/floydian-rockbox.png <−− i'll probably use a theme like this |
| 07:53:31 | godzirra | thats funny. |
| 07:53:32 | godzirra | Ersan: http://tinypic.com/qskwm9.jpg |
| 07:53:33 | scorche | ...a C64... |
| 07:53:39 | godzirra | thats a screen shot of an ipod 5g with rockbox. |
| 07:53:40 | hcs | sneakums: ooh, cool |
| 07:53:49 | Ersan | whoopdie doo a picture of a car |
| 07:53:58 | godzirra | My point is it doesnt look like a C64 :p |
| 07:53:59 | godzirra | jeez. |
| 07:54:14 | Ersan | it also isn't aesthetically pleasing |
| 07:54:18 | godzirra | So make your own wps. |
| 07:54:19 | godzirra | its not hard. |
| 07:54:24 | hcs | I have the default WPS with the peakmeter disabled because I'm using some very computationally intensive codecs |
| 07:54:28 | godzirra | your gripe was that it looked like a c64. |
| 07:54:32 | godzirra | I showed you that it doesnt have to |
| 07:54:36 | godzirra | thus your argument is invalidated. |
| 07:54:38 | scorche | Ersan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
| 07:54:45 | godzirra | if you want to argue -other- aesthetic problems, feel free ;) |
| 07:54:46 | Ersan | yes the wps is fine |
| 07:54:50 | Ersan | it's the navigating i have a problem with |
| 07:54:56 | Ersan | it looks like crap |
| 07:55:03 | scorche | how? |
| 07:55:07 | Ersan | it just does |
| 07:55:16 | scorche | ah..good argument |
| 07:55:23 | scorche | well enjoy your apple os... |
| 07:55:31 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 07:55:46 | godzirra | lol |
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| 08:01:30 | Ersan | give me a good theme |
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| 08:01:51 | scorche | i dont know your tates... |
| 08:01:56 | scorche | tastes even |
| 08:02:36 | hcs | Terrible Terry Tate, Office Linebacker |
| 08:03:34 | hcs | hmm, will setting a background image for the wps necessarily increase cpu usage? |
| 08:04:14 | sneakums | very slightly, i suppose, since it has to combine the image and text now instead of just writing the text with a solid background |
| 08:04:38 | hcs | I wonder if the solid background is stored anyway |
| 08:05:37 | Ersan | all any of these themes show is the WPS |
| 08:05:58 | Ersan | i wanna know what the navigation looks like.. |
| 08:06:05 | sneakums | well, just imagine the file tree with that background and that font |
| 08:06:09 | sneakums | and you're pretty much there |
| 08:06:20 | hcs | background isn't usually changed, though it can be |
| 08:06:44 | scorche | seems like it usually is |
| 08:06:48 | Ersan | and you guys honestly don't think the original apple interface looks better |
| 08:07:09 | sneakums | it's a bit slicker |
| 08:07:12 | sneakums | i don't know if that makes it better |
| 08:07:13 | godzirra | I alwasys thought the original apple interface was very plain |
| 08:07:33 | scorche | hrm....only difference is the font ans a little arrow at the end |
| 08:07:55 | Ersan | and the icons |
| 08:07:58 | scorche | oh...and the jerky motion that has been mentioned |
| 08:08:03 | scorche | what icons? |
| 08:08:17 | scorche | the status bar at the top? |
| 08:08:23 | sneakums | i don't remember seeing many icons in the ipod navigation |
| 08:08:36 | scorche | only icon i have seen is the arrow at the end.. |
| 08:08:37 | Ersan | the battery icon |
| 08:08:48 | Ersan | the progress bars |
| 08:09:03 | Ersan | the row selection is a gradient |
| 08:09:04 | scorche | progress bars are only on the WPs... |
| 08:09:07 | Ersan | so is the header |
| 08:09:10 | sneakums | i can't say i spend long staring at that stuff |
| 08:10:03 | Ersan | slick is what i'm looking for |
| 08:10:26 | sneakums | well, 80 gigs and vorbis playback is what i'm looking for |
| 08:10:46 | Ersan | well since i have a 4gb nano and i use mp3's, that kind of defeats the purpose |
| 08:10:57 | scorche | honestly, i dont care...if that is enough to make you want to go running back to the apple os, then go for it |
| 08:11:16 | Ersan | the apple firmware doesn't let me keep my own directory structure |
| 08:11:21 | Ersan | that's the only reason i use rockbox |
| 08:11:44 | scorche | but rockbox doesnt have the gradient....THE GRADIENT! |
| 08:11:52 | Ersan | it's ugly as sin |
| 08:11:56 | Ersan | idc what skin you put on it |
| 08:12:03 | Ersan | it's just inherently ugly |
| 08:12:16 | godzirra | honestly, who cares? Did you buy a nano to stare at it all day? |
| 08:12:30 | Ersan | no? |
| 08:12:46 | godzirra | Then pick rockbox or apple firmware. Move on. :) |
| 08:12:56 | godzirra | both have their flaws. Oh well. |
| 08:13:13 | scorche | godzirra: "flaws" ;) |
| 08:13:15 | Ersan | and that's it? |
| 08:13:29 | godzirra | in my not so humble opinion, yes. |
| 08:13:41 | scorche | Ersan: we dont care which you use...are you expecting us to beg you to use rockbox? =P |
| 08:13:55 | sneakums | Ersan: it's not inherently ugly. it just happens that nobody's written the code to do dipslay stuff like you want |
| 08:13:55 | Ersan | no it's called a discussion |
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| 08:14:11 | sneakums | it's hard to have a discussion about matters of opinion |
| 08:14:14 | Ersan | no |
| 08:14:15 | Ersan | it's not |
| 08:14:19 | Ersan | it's what people do all day long |
| 08:14:20 | sneakums | it's not like we're discussing what the moon is made of |
| 08:14:27 | sneakums | really? |
| 08:14:32 | Ersan | if people discussed facts all the time there'd be nothing to discuss |
| 08:14:34 | sneakums | i have a job, i work for a fair chunk of the day |
| 08:14:34 | Ersan | facts don't change |
| 08:14:38 | sneakums | in what paradise do you live? |
| 08:14:55 | godzirra | People often think their opinion is fact. |
| 08:15:10 | sneakums | speaking of fact, i wonder if i am screwing up creating this boot image |
| 08:15:28 | Ersan | how could you possibly screw it up |
| 08:15:39 | sneakums | by doing something wrong |
| 08:15:52 | Ersan | the instructions are in very plain english |
| 08:16:06 | sneakums | yes, yes they are. |
| 08:16:19 | sneakums | but i have to patch and build the bootloader myself, so already there is a new variable |
| 08:16:19 | Ersan | or perhaps other languages, i haven't looked |
| 08:16:57 | Ersan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall |
| 08:17:37 | godzirra | lol |
| 08:17:38 | godzirra | Thats cute. |
| 08:17:42 | sneakums | that's kind of not relevant, since i'm not even getting to the bootloader |
| 08:17:50 | sneakums | which is why i am currently looking at IpodInstallation |
| 08:17:57 | Ersan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation then |
| 08:18:08 | Ersan | ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin |
| 08:18:10 | sneakums | i am quite adept at unzipping my own builds onto my iriver |
| 08:18:24 | sneakums | i guess you can't read |
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| 08:18:50 | Ersan | maybe you should be looking at iRiver installation then... |
| 08:19:02 | sneakums | that's not much help, since i have an ipod here |
| 08:19:09 | sneakums | my iriver is over there, with a nicely working rockbox on it |
| 08:19:21 | Ersan | yes so building firmware takes three commands |
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| 08:19:55 | Ersan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Step_1_Install_the_bootloader |
| 08:19:55 | Ersan | ezpk |
| 08:20:32 | Ersan | or if you're one of those supermorons you read about in the papers |
| 08:20:43 | Ersan | you can use RockBox Installer X |
| 08:20:57 | Ersan | since it does the same thing |
| 08:22:50 | sneakums | so when i've built the bootloader, it ends up in bootloader/bootloader.bin yes? |
| 08:23:40 | Ersan | if you read that |
| 08:23:43 | sneakums | i also have bootloader.img in the current directory, but that looks too big (77K) versus 58K for bootloader/bootloader.bin |
| 08:23:45 | Ersan | it'd be rockboot.bin |
| 08:23:51 | sneakums | no, it wouldn't |
| 08:24:03 | sneakums | rockboot.bin is what you get when you combine the bootloader and the two apple firmware files |
| 08:24:17 | sneakums | assuming you even name it that |
| 08:24:24 | sneakums | which admittedly is a reasonable thing to do |
| 08:24:32 | Ersan | ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin |
| 08:25:03 | Ersan | why are you looking in the bootloader folder anyway |
| 08:25:13 | sneakums | because i just built a patched bootloader |
| 08:25:21 | sneakums | and i would like to make sure i am using the right file |
| 08:26:10 | godzirra | night guys |
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| 08:26:28 | sneakums | night |
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| 08:29:19 | initself | If I sent the development team a seemingly fried iAudio M3L, would that be helpful in the least? |
| 08:36:34 | Ersan | i'm inclined to say no |
| 08:36:48 | Ersan | usually you have to pay people to fix stuff you've broken |
| 08:37:33 | scorche | Ersan: he isnt wanting to have it fixed.. |
| 08:38:19 | scorche | initself: most likely not...a dev has to have the motivation to port rockbox...i dont believe any have any such feelings about the M |
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| 08:38:46 | Ersan | buhbye |
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| 08:39:04 | sneakums | ding dong, the witch is dead |
| 08:39:10 | scorche | heh |
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| 08:42:23 | hcs | big endian testers wanted for NSF player: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6122 |
| 08:44:02 | pagefault | arm? |
| 08:44:04 | pagefault | I forget |
| 08:44:07 | pagefault | I think it is |
| 08:44:18 | hcs | iPods are little endian |
| 08:44:24 | pagefault | ah |
| 08:44:24 | scorche | arm can be either |
| 08:44:34 | pagefault | what about in the case of the h10 |
| 08:44:41 | scorche | same |
| 08:45:05 | Bagder | ARMs are almost always used little endian |
| 08:45:23 | hcs | pagefault: I'd be glad if you tested it on anything you have, anyway |
| 08:45:30 | scorche | but they can still be either! ;) |
| 08:45:40 | Bagder | sure, as all modern archs can |
| 08:45:44 | hcs | It's getting to the point where I'm running out of problems to fix |
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| 08:47:10 | * | amiconn doesn't even know what NSF is |
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| 08:47:28 | hcs | Nintendo Entertainment System/Famicom music |
| 08:47:37 | hcs | similar to SID |
| 08:48:07 | amiconn | Ah, so it's very unlikely I have any such tunes |
| 08:48:11 | Bagder | SID is a chip |
| 08:48:25 | hcs | right, well, the file format is called SID |
| 08:48:42 | Bagder | sloppy terminology |
| 08:48:43 | hcs | in the NES' case it is primarily the 2A03 pAPU |
| 08:49:02 | hcs | though I have support for a number of expansions, some running full speed |
| 08:49:34 | hcs | the point remains that they are similar, both even 6502-based |
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| 08:54:06 | hcs | hello |
| 08:54:16 | hcs | Wii apparently will run a Linux variant |
| 08:55:06 | scorche | if you ask to get rockbox ported to it, i am going to stab you |
| 08:55:09 | scorche | ;) |
| 08:55:15 | hcs | heh |
| 08:55:24 | hcs | once again, I was in the wrong channel |
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| 09:01:46 | * | JdGordon is not cut out for work :'( |
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| 09:12:10 | jhMikeS | petur: Your H340 explode yet? |
| 09:12:15 | petur | nope |
| 09:12:21 | petur | but no playback either |
| 09:12:35 | jhMikeS | crap |
| 09:12:39 | petur | indeed |
| 09:12:54 | petur | I loaded it just before jumping on my bike to work ;) |
| 09:13:07 | jhMikeS | what happens? just silence or worse? |
| 09:13:12 | petur | silence |
| 09:13:40 | petur | and a very loud POP if I rolo another version |
| 09:13:49 | petur | (which won't play - codec failure) |
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| 09:14:11 | jhMikeS | older version won't play with newer codecs for sure |
| 09:14:17 | petur | indeed |
| 09:14:27 | JdGordon | .. so just continuing the discussion from 8ish hours ago... the jump to random folder patch is acceptable? |
| 09:14:56 | * | jhMikeS is frustrated at having to guess all this with the uda1380 :( |
| 09:15:55 | * | petur is frustrated that jhMikeS guessed wrong :p |
| 09:16:10 | jhMikeS | petur: nice comment on Flyspray! It works on x5 all the way |
| 09:16:25 | * | petur downloads CVS version |
| 09:17:31 | petur | patch comment edited... |
| 09:21:04 | jhMikeS | thants better !:) |
| 09:22:12 | petur | nice docking station: http://reviews.designtechnica.com/images/full_reviews/jbl/radial/radial_big.jpg |
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| 09:28:03 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: random folder patch? that sounds wierd. what's it for? |
| 09:28:18 | petur | guess |
| 09:28:28 | JdGordon | jump to a random folder at the end of the current folder, instead of just giong to the next folder |
| 09:29:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Right now moving to the next folder is broken anyway, without the randomness, isn't it? |
| 09:29:29 | jhMikeS | I was thinking it was that but didn't want to sounds stupid if I wrong :P Maybe I sounded stupider for not guessing publicly. :) |
| 09:29:30 | JdGordon | is it? |
| 09:29:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | People have been complaining of playback glitches, and it's come down to them only happening using file/folder playback instead of playlists, and only when trying to move on to the next one. |
| 09:30:06 | * | jhMikeS 's typing makes him sound like english as second language |
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| 09:32:22 | Quazgaa | jhMikeS: your mother is a horse |
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| 09:34:32 | Mode | "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 09:35:56 | petur | goodmorning Linus ;) |
| 09:36:18 | jhMikeS | yes, hello +o LinusN :) |
| 09:36:31 | LinusN | moo |
| 09:36:49 | petur | LinusN: is your mother a cow? :p |
| 09:37:10 | jhMikeS | Quazgaa: and all this time...I guess that explains...hehe |
| 09:37:12 | LinusN | petur: damn. you're on to me :-) |
| 09:40:11 | jhMikeS | Man from the looks of things in the datasheet SYSCLK should be irrelevant with those settings...could be something else |
| 09:41:44 | LinusN | jhMikeS: this patch is a MONSTER :-) |
| 09:42:26 | LinusN | jhMikeS: is this really correct: |
| 09:42:28 | LinusN | void pcm_set_frequency(unsigned int frequency) |
| 09:42:28 | LinusN | { |
| 09:42:28 | LinusN | - pcm_freq=frequency; |
| 09:42:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Which patch is this? |
| 09:42:29 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
| 09:42:29 | LinusN | + pcm_freq = hw_freq_sampr[HW_FREQ_DEFAULT]; |
| 09:42:31 | LinusN | } |
| 09:42:46 | LinusN | jhMikeS: gcc should warn you there |
| 09:44:14 | jhMikeS | It did and I changed it in other areas I guess I didn't build that particular config... |
| 09:44:18 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6106 |
| 09:44:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Thankee |
| 09:44:39 | petur | (latest one is at the bottom) |
| 09:45:19 | jhMikeS | If the UDA would only work and give it a pass on SPDIF I think it could go in |
| 09:46:02 | jhMikeS | LinusN: You don't like MONSTER patches? |
| 09:46:23 | LinusN | no i don't |
| 09:46:31 | jhMikeS | hrrm... |
| 09:46:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 09:46:39 | * | LinusN charges his trusty h140 |
| 09:47:14 | * | Bagder uses his h140 to test is messed up usb |
| 09:47:20 | Bagder | s/is/his |
| 09:47:36 | Bagder | using a Rockbox several months old ;-) |
| 09:47:37 | jhMikeS | Most of it is generic software that I can test a lot...but you'd rather I scrap it all? |
| 09:48:02 | LinusN | jhMikeS: huh? |
| 09:48:43 | * | LinusN builds a h140 build of a monster patch |
| 09:49:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: You say you don't like MONSTER patches...how come? People wanted sample rate (me too), quiet internal mic recording...faster encoding...so there it is |
| 09:49:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Those sound like three patches, to me. |
| 09:49:31 | LinusN | jhMikeS: monster patches are hard to review |
| 09:50:00 | JdGordon | .. and hard to find bugs |
| 09:50:08 | * | JdGordon curses my latest uber-monsetr patch |
| 09:50:13 | Bagder | linux-usb-devel, here we go |
| 09:50:21 | jhMikeS | I would have done it it parts if possible but they are all interdependent |
| 09:50:29 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i know |
| 09:50:47 | LinusN | JdGordon: the menu patch? |
| 09:50:55 | JdGordon | ye |
| 09:51:08 | LinusN | that's a perfect example of a monster patch :-) |
| 09:51:13 | jhMikeS | As far as what preglow wanted (full duplex) I just planted a seed here and that can be done with minimal change to this |
| 09:51:22 | JdGordon | and its impossible to split into smaller ones :'( |
| 09:52:04 | jhMikeS | I'm perfectly comfortable with this just cause I've done so much testing on my own hardware. It's just those little bits I can't check. |
| 09:54:11 | jhMikeS | And the iRivers were working before sans 11 kHz very well...that dang uda...ahhhh! |
| 09:57:34 | * | jhMikeS fixed those lines that LinusN pointed out |
| 09:57:59 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i don't remember if we have ever tried using the WSPLL on the UDA |
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| 10:00:09 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think we need to set the PON_PLL bit in reg 2 |
| 10:00:13 | jhMikeS | LinusN: really, but I suppose it should work. Not to sound repetitive or anything but I can't sit here and experiment atm until I get it to work like I could on the x5. That's why I'm looking for an H1x0 atm. |
| 10:00:31 | jhMikeS | Lemme look...probably forgot something |
| 10:01:12 | LinusN | we set reg 2 to PON_BIAS but it should be PON_BIAS|PON_PLL |
| 10:02:31 | jhMikeS | heh...it's like wondering why the TV wont work and finding out it's not plugged in. :) |
| 10:02:47 | jhMikeS | ok...did that |
| 10:04:45 | jhMikeS | What about REG_DEC_VOL? |
| 10:05:03 | LinusN | playback works for me now |
| 10:05:13 | jhMikeS | did you try the plugin? |
| 10:05:19 | LinusN | hang on |
| 10:06:04 | LinusN | works |
| 10:06:12 | jhMikeS | all of them? |
| 10:06:16 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:06:20 | jhMikeS | sweet |
| 10:06:44 | jhMikeS | can record at differnt samplerates? |
| 10:06:47 | LinusN | or rather "yyyyeeeeeeeesssss" in 11khz :-) |
| 10:07:00 | petur | lol |
| 10:07:23 | jhMikeS | That would be "yyyyeeeessss" :-) |
| 10:07:42 | LinusN | :-P |
| 10:08:29 | jhMikeS | Just changed PON_PLL only? |
| 10:09:09 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:09:42 | LinusN | i can only select 44.1 and 22.05 in the recording settings |
| 10:09:47 | jhMikeS | and the recording? didn't try that yet or are you? :) |
| 10:10:03 | jhMikeS | LinusN: What F you can select depends on format. Try wav or wvpk |
| 10:10:19 | LinusN | i discovered that just now |
| 10:11:20 | LinusN | funny that 88.2 is not usable with any of the encoders :-) |
| 10:11:41 | jhMikeS | The ADC doesn't work at 88.2 |
| 10:11:53 | jhMikeS | Not for the uda...I can use it with the tlv |
| 10:12:03 | LinusN | i see |
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| 10:12:36 | LinusN | monitoring doesn't work |
| 10:12:53 | jhMikeS | You have data coming in? |
| 10:13:13 | LinusN | not a thing |
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| 10:13:43 | jhMikeS | *crying* |
| 10:13:45 | LinusN | and i got "IBC: at 00000000" when leaving the recording screen :-) |
| 10:15:33 | jhMikeS | ok...haven't seen that...what's IBC? |
| 10:15:41 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 10:16:24 | JdGordon | can plugins access the yesno screen? |
| 10:16:27 | jhMikeS | It's not even in the interrupt list :-\ |
| 10:18:17 | jhMikeS | LinusN: You said you had nothing so that mean no peaks on record right? |
| 10:18:24 | LinusN | right |
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| 10:18:50 | jhMikeS | *crying and banging head* |
| 10:20:29 | * | scorche feels sorry for jhMikeS |
| 10:21:11 | * | scorche pats jhMikeS's back |
| 10:21:39 | jhMikeS | the playback thing was solved but there must an answer for recording with the WSPLL |
| 10:21:48 | jhMikeS | rrrr |
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| 10:22:43 | webguest95 | morning |
| 10:24:38 | webguest95 | anyone able to help me with a question about rockbox on an iriver 140 using in the car? |
| 10:25:05 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the iriver uses different IIS ports for playback and recording |
| 10:25:15 | LinusN | webguest95: just ask |
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| 10:25:58 | jhMikeS | I though I looked at that and it had IIS2 for everything...I just goofed...hrm |
| 10:26:00 | webguest95 | thanks - there's an undoc'd feature in the setting saying car mode - it does pause the iriver when I turn off the ignition but doesn't power it off |
| 10:26:33 | webguest95 | is there a way i can make it a) power off when I switch the car off and back on when i turn the car on? |
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| 10:27:49 | LinusN | webguest95: off is possible, on is not |
| 10:28:05 | webguest95 | shame - ok so how do i make it turn off? |
| 10:28:07 | LinusN | use the idle poweroff timer |
| 10:28:28 | webguest95 | oh ok - i did that - set it to 1min |
| 10:28:46 | webguest95 | is the power on impossible from the hardware then? |
| 10:28:54 | LinusN | correct |
| 10:28:58 | webguest95 | thanks |
| 10:29:15 | webguest95 | also just bought an archos av500 - will there be a port for that? |
| 10:29:31 | webguest95 | only because its got no sleep timer on it - lol |
| 10:30:42 | jhMikeS | iRiver should use IIS2 to monitor...I don't remember IIS1 ever being configured in any pcm_*.c...where would that be set up. |
| 10:30:43 | LinusN | webguest95: not likely, check out avos or medios |
| 10:30:49 | webguest95 | Lastly a huge thanks to everyone involved in rockbox - its made turning my iriver on go from 2 mins to 3 seconds! |
| 10:31:12 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think it's because the default iis1 values worked out of pure luck |
| 10:31:25 | LinusN | webguest95: you're welcome :-) |
| 10:31:31 | webguest95 | bye! |
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| 10:31:56 | jhMikeS | ahhh...well no more obviously |
| 10:34:21 | LinusN | so there should either be a separate set_rec_frequency() function, or the existing set_frequency() should set up both IIS1 and IIS2 |
| 10:34:25 | jhMikeS | But the coldfire should be essentially treated as the master on the output lines as well? |
| 10:35:13 | LinusN | but we would probably not want to set up IIS1 unless we really want to record |
| 10:35:17 | jhMikeS | I suppose the default IIS is for the clocks to be unputs so nothing would be clocking data out of the uda |
| 10:35:24 | LinusN | exactly |
| 10:36:22 | LinusN | and we only want IIS1 to drive the clock wen we are recording, to save (a tiny little bit of) power and to keep interference at a minimum |
| 10:36:57 | jhMikeS | I can modify the pcm_apply_settings to do that...I suppose its irrelevant for the x5 |
| 10:36:58 | LinusN | ah, we can use clocksel |
| 10:37:02 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 10:37:06 | LinusN | "follow iis2" |
| 10:37:28 | LinusN | so we can do the opposit from what it was |
| 10:37:44 | LinusN | iis1 follows iis2 instead |
| 10:37:49 | jhMikeS | Think we can just leave it that way? |
| 10:37:59 | LinusN | i'll give it a shot |
| 10:38:34 | jhMikeS | If so then we can just leave it set that way all day and leave pcm_apply_settings alone |
| 10:43:54 | jhMikeS | gotta to run up to the store...be back in 15-20 |
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| 10:55:08 | LinusN | jhMikeS: damn, follow IISx doesn't work as i thought |
| 10:55:50 | LinusN | it doesn't follow the other clock, it *uses* the other clock |
| 10:58:08 | LinusN | hmmm |
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| 11:02:09 | LinusN | that may still be what we want |
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| 11:09:04 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Could you remind me why we want the wspll instead of master mode? |
| 11:10:39 | LinusN | amiconn: i believe it is because we can't make mclk generate 11.025 khz |
| 11:10:47 | jhMikeS | back |
| 11:11:25 | jhMikeS | yes...the /4 errata |
| 11:11:59 | jhMikeS | I think you can use the audio clk/n settings perhaps |
| 11:12:10 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i tried a quick hack to set up iis1 to follow iis2, but no cigar |
| 11:14:27 | jhMikeS | I may put the IIS1 config right in tlv320_enable_recording for the time being as that relevant to that anyway but I'm gonna hide all this stuff from the DSP plugins and will have a function like pcm_enable_recording to do the dirty work |
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| 11:18:23 | amiconn | LinusN: We don't need to use the wspll for that |
| 11:18:54 | LinusN | amiconn: oh? |
| 11:19:00 | amiconn | We can clock the uda with the same MCLK as for 22050Hz and set the sysclk divider to 512 instead of 256 |
| 11:19:56 | amiconn | Even with the wspll we would need to adapt uda settings to the input frequency range |
| 11:20:15 | jhMikeS | They get adapted |
| 11:20:34 | jhMikeS | Isn't 256 the slowest setting already? |
| 11:20:38 | LinusN | i think it would be nice to use slave mode on both playback and recording |
| 11:20:55 | amiconn | Hmm, I can see one single advantage of using the wspll - for monitoring an spdif recording with a sample frequency not equal to one of (44100, 22050, 11025) |
| 11:21:16 | amiconn | For all other cases, we could rather save the wspll power |
| 11:21:45 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 11:24:00 | jhMikeS | Won't 512 actually double the speed? |
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| 11:26:15 | amiconn | It's a _divider_ |
| 11:26:54 | jhMikeS | But does it divide by more at 256*fs or 512*fs? |
| 11:31:25 | jhMikeS | What does using the WSPLL have to do with slave mode or not? :-\ |
| 11:31:33 | amiconn | sysclk=256*fs means the sysclk is 256 times the sample frequency, iow, fs = sysclk /256 |
| 11:32:08 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 11:36:28 | neighbors | Hi, is there a way to see how many times a file has been played? |
| 11:37:22 | neighbors | And if so, a way to generate an ordered list descending by play count |
| 11:39:10 | jhMikeS | So I guess setting just using FXTAL/2 and using sysclk/512 will render you 11025 but no honest 88200 will be available without the WSPLL since theres no sysclk*128 setting |
| 11:39:32 | jhMikeS | Fs*128 even |
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| 11:41:19 | LinusN | otoh, is 88.2khz really necessary? |
| 11:41:36 | petur | neighbors: I think tagcach has some kind of a rating system, and there's also an audioscrobbler patch in the patchtracker |
| 11:42:22 | * | obo wonders what he can do to change that :) |
| 11:42:35 | petur | lol |
| 11:42:53 | petur | keep nagging ;) |
| 11:43:25 | LinusN | i think it is in a committable state |
| 11:43:36 | obo | yay! |
| 11:44:54 | neighbors | petur: ah thank you. Looks like there is a experimental feature in the TagCache for it |
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| 11:47:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: As I said, wspll might be useful for spdif monitoring anyway (provided we can set the divider thing live) |
| 11:47:22 | LinusN | amiconn, jhMikeS: so what do we think? my opinion is that using slave mode in all cases would be convenient |
| 11:47:32 | amiconn | 88.2 is impossible on uda for recording; for playback it should be possible |
| 11:47:36 | jhMikeS | So the WSPLL can on for 88.2 and off for all others. I'm not sure how you'll get the SPDIF clock out to the uda. |
| 11:47:38 | LinusN | but is the pll uses a lot of power, it might be a bad idea |
| 11:48:02 | amiconn | I guess the wspll won't use much power |
| 11:48:08 | jhMikeS | I know the limits on recording |
| 11:48:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Ah, hmm, that's a problem... |
| 11:48:33 | jhMikeS | That's why the 88kHz bit mask is not set for recording in the cofig file |
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| 11:48:40 | amiconn | You can't use the regenerated ebu clock for anything else but measuring... |
| 11:48:51 | amiconn | Somewhat silly design imho |
| 11:49:16 | LinusN | not the first silly design in the coldfire, is it? :-) |
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| 11:49:38 | obo | so if no one has any violent disagreements about it, who may I nag to get it committed? |
| 11:49:57 | LinusN | obo: i don't have any issues with it |
| 11:50:21 | LinusN | i guess we need to decide if it is a wanted feature on the archos |
| 11:50:22 | jhMikeS | I already have it setting the monitoring to the f closest to the spdif rate |
| 11:51:07 | obo | LinusN: I guess that's the only unknown - I haven't had any feedback to even say if it's working on those targets |
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| 11:51:54 | LinusN | obo: i assume it works just fine |
| 11:51:58 | jhMikeS | I guess I can try setting IIS1 as audio clk/n just like IIS2 is |
| 11:52:08 | LinusN | but it increases the binary size |
| 11:52:20 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes |
| 11:52:24 | obo | LinusN: I did have to add a function into mpeg.c, which AFAIK is untested |
| 11:52:42 | jhMikeS | If the PLL is a problem with power, I'll just adjust the way things are done and use it only when needed |
| 11:53:59 | jhMikeS | One other thing I talking to preglow about is to have the dsp run at hardware samplerates to reduce resampling |
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| 11:56:54 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'm curious about pcm_apply_settings() |
| 11:57:20 | LinusN | mostly about this one: |
| 11:57:23 | LinusN | SET_IIS_CONFIG((freq_ent[FPARM_CLOCKSEL] << 12) | |
| 11:57:48 | LinusN | FPARM_CLOCKSEL is always 0 |
| 11:58:40 | LinusN | hmmm, now i get it |
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| 11:59:35 | jhMikeS | I'm just selecting the byte out of the list |
| 11:59:52 | LinusN | yes |
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| 12:01:48 | jhMikeS | just really to have it readable and changable over (*freq_ent << 12) or something |
| 12:04:56 | jhMikeS | pcm_change_monitor isn't used at all...but I'm thinking about voice during recording at some point and the need to switch monitoring without disturbing other stuff |
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| 12:07:40 | jhMikeS | I'm wondering...the spdif should still work since it uses another route |
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| 12:09:16 | LinusN | possibly, but i don't have an s/pdif source at hand right now |
| 12:09:57 | * | jhMikeS will keep the "one* call does it all" approach and make it work :) *one may be two to four |
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| 12:11:52 | JdGordon | :D all done |
| 12:12:35 | * | jhMikeS hates having register setup in what's basically app code :B |
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| 12:16:12 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: what'd you do? I'm scared! |
| 12:16:50 | JdGordon | all will be revelead... :D |
| 12:17:33 | jhMikeS | Oh holy mother it's the settings patch! |
| 12:17:46 | JdGordon | nope... |
| 12:17:49 | jhMikeS | oh |
| 12:17:56 | scorche | FAIL |
| 12:18:10 | * | scorche puts his stamp back in its jewelled case |
| 12:19:36 | jhMikeS | scorche: Who got stamped now? |
| 12:19:47 | scorche | =) |
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| 12:23:28 | Rincewind_ | LinusN: do you you think that my record button configuration patch (#5555) could be submitted to cvs? The only thing that is missing now is a few #defines so that it doesen't affect other targets (imho) |
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| 12:28:46 | LinusN | Rincewind_: well, it looks (almost) allright codewise, but i'm not sure if we want that feature |
| 12:29:01 | JdGordon | hehe Mr. Impatient :D |
| 12:29:08 | JdGordon | opps |
| 12:29:10 | JdGordon | ignore me |
| 12:29:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: :-)' |
| 12:29:34 | Rincewind_ | I started a few discussions about it, but it never came to a conclusion. I suppose someone just has to decide it. |
| 12:29:45 | Genre9mp3 | Ricewind: The rec. button use in your patch is while in WPS only, right? |
| 12:29:45 | LinusN | i guess so |
| 12:30:06 | Rincewind_ | it used in wps and in file browser |
| 12:30:10 | Genre9mp3 | Oh... ok |
| 12:30:20 | Rincewind_ | but it could be extended to give different options for filebrowser |
| 12:30:51 | Genre9mp3 | So currently, you can set the same action for wps and file browser? |
| 12:30:56 | Rincewind_ | yes |
| 12:31:14 | Genre9mp3 | I think it would be great if could set different actions on these two |
| 12:31:20 | Genre9mp3 | if you could |
| 12:31:31 | Rincewind_ | the options are: show current playlist, show themes dir, show plugins, show recording screen, show recording screen and start recording |
| 12:31:45 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: have I has my privileges taken away? :-( |
| 12:31:54 | JdGordon | which ones? |
| 12:32:02 | LinusN | Rincewind_: i don't understand the code in gwps.c |
| 12:32:09 | Rincewind_ | different options for file browser and wps are easy to add, I just have to know which one |
| 12:32:15 | LinusN | it calls user_action() twice |
| 12:32:20 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind_: Sounds interesting.. |
| 12:32:26 | jhMikeS | Any of them...commit, flyspray, anything? |
| 12:32:27 | Rincewind_ | LinusN, mom, I'm starting my editor |
| 12:32:45 | LinusN | Rincewind_: ignore me |
| 12:32:55 | * | jhMikeS is getting paranoid |
| 12:33:02 | * | LinusN cleans his glasses |
| 12:33:24 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind_: One action could do the rec button in file browser would be to enque files |
| 12:33:45 | Rincewind_ | Genre9mp3: yes, I would like that, too |
| 12:34:14 | Genre9mp3 | Another one would be "open with" |
| 12:34:15 | * | JdGordon thought everyone was dead against user configurable buttons? |
| 12:34:33 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: Why's that? |
| 12:34:38 | Rincewind_ | define "anyone" |
| 12:34:46 | * | JdGordon _thought_ |
| 12:34:59 | * | LinusN is not a fan of configurable buttons |
| 12:35:26 | * | Rincewind_ is not a fan of buttons that do things he doesn't ever use |
| 12:35:29 | jhMikeS | Jd/Linus: If there's a problem just tell me and I'll be gone |
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| 12:35:41 | LinusN | jhMikeS: what are you talking about? |
| 12:35:52 | Genre9mp3 | I think that it's not bad to have a configurable button... |
| 12:36:46 | Rincewind_ | the only problem I see is, that if we give irivers a config button, the ipod users cry because they can't have one :-) |
| 12:36:47 | jhMikeS | I don't know...my paranoias going throught the roof...wonder if I went overboard on something...Jd says all will be revealed and of course I think it's something bad about me :\ |
| 12:37:05 | * | scorche gives jhMikeS some pills |
| 12:37:07 | JdGordon | haha chill dude :D |
| 12:37:08 | Genre9mp3 | And I certaintly prefer to be able to set a "favorite" action to it than have it redundant |
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| 12:37:27 | * | jhMikeS likes pills...are benzos? |
| 12:37:35 | jhMikeS | are they even? |
| 12:37:40 | * | LinusN goes to lunch |
| 12:37:43 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind_: ipod users have to find first buttons and then cry! :P |
| 12:37:45 | jhMikeS | enjoy |
| 12:38:09 | scorche | jhMikeS: they are unmarked pills that came from my pocket |
| 12:38:25 | Rincewind_ | LinusN: If I'm not around when you come to a conclusion, please add your thoughts as a comment to my patch |
| 12:38:25 | jhMikeS | acorche: probably tick tacks |
| 12:38:51 | scorche | if you thinkthey are ;) |
| 12:39:04 | JdGordon | mmmm.... funny tic tacs.. :D |
| 12:39:17 | Rincewind_ | or maybe frog pills ^^ |
| 12:39:33 | Rincewind_ | (if you know the discworld you know what I mean) |
| 12:40:01 | * | jhMikeS takes the electric tick tacks |
| 12:40:03 | * | obo mutters about dried frogs pills |
| 12:40:34 | scorche | jhMikeS: uhhh...actually, i need those back...i meant to take pills from my other pocket |
| 12:40:44 | scorche | crap...they were blue huh... |
| 12:42:54 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind_: Another action the rec. button could do besides "enque" and "open with" is "cut" "copy" or even "delete" |
| 12:44:01 | Rincewind_ | oh, I wouldn't like that, because c&p is two actions, so it's not very useful to put one of the two (or three) on a button |
| 12:44:55 | * | scorche sticks with enqueue, insert, and open with |
| 12:44:57 | Rincewind_ | this would need a new concept of "modes", so enter a c&p mode and have buttons to do c&p and then we can have a playlist mode... |
| 12:45:16 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind_: you have a point there.. |
| 12:45:45 | Rincewind_ | but I don't want to code this, because I don't think something like that is likely to get commited |
| 12:45:57 | scorche | and it would be death with all of the people coming in and whining about duplicate files popping up and other files disappearing |
| 12:46:16 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: indeed |
| 12:46:30 | Genre9mp3 | Ok... ignore the c&p and delete |
| 12:46:36 | jhMikeS | scorche: I guess you can wait about two days till they come back out :) |
| 12:46:46 | Rincewind_ | after lunch I try to make a patch that has enque, insert and open with to chose from. |
| 12:47:07 | scorche | hehe...if you implented it as delete, i would strangle you =) |
| 12:47:08 | Rincewind_ | the only thing is: there are about 6 options for insert and queue... |
| 12:47:09 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind_: Seperately for the file browser? cool! :) |
| 12:47:43 | scorche | Rincewind_: i would go with enqueue next, and reg insert |
| 12:47:45 | * | jhMikeS thinks we should have a harddisk format key combo |
| 12:48:02 | Rincewind_ | scorche: good idea |
| 12:48:03 | scorche | or choose between them i guess on the settings... |
| 12:48:36 | scorche | jhMikeS: also, you might not want to go out in public for a few hours... |
| 12:48:57 | jhMikeS | scorche: np...sitting tight |
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| 12:49:16 | scorche | jhMikeS: if that was meant as a pun, that wa amusing =) |
| 12:49:23 | jhMikeS | other's have had duplicate files popping up too? |
| 12:49:24 | Rincewind | jeah, my nick is free again! |
| 12:49:47 | scorche | Rincewind: you dont have it registered with nickserv? |
| 12:49:49 | jhMikeS | +P |
| 12:49:55 | Rincewind | nope ^^ |
| 12:50:02 | scorche | why not? =P |
| 12:50:06 | Rincewind | it belongs someone else... |
| 12:50:32 | Rincewind | I know it maybe is bad style, but I'm not very fond of the _ |
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| 12:50:54 | * | jhMikeS beholds the power of the _ |
| 12:51:02 | scorche | Rincewind has left #rockbox (Nick collision) |
| 12:51:11 | scorche | or whatever it says ;) |
| 12:51:11 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind: The tricky part though is that "enque next" option is only available when music is actually playing |
| 12:51:13 | Rincewind | ? |
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| 12:51:34 | Rincewind | that questionmark was for scorche |
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| 12:51:57 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind: Also another thing is that these options are meant to be only for music files |
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| 12:52:02 | scorche | Rincewind: there is a ghost command that is used whenever someone is on your name and you ahve the name registered with nickserv |
| 12:52:35 | scorche | insert when in file browser and enqueue when in playlist view mode possibly? |
| 12:52:36 | Rincewind | It's been a long time that I was on IRC... |
| 12:52:44 | jhMikeS | ok...IIS1 on iRiver...back to work...in private |
| 12:52:53 | Rincewind | I had to use ISDN for the last 2 years :( |
| 12:53:05 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind: So when a player sets "enque next" as an action for file browser it shouldn't do anything if the user press rec. on a jpg |
| 12:53:31 | scorche | could be if the format is anything besides a music file, it brings up open with ;) |
| 12:53:33 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind: Or at least pop up a msg that it's not a music file (?) |
| 12:53:34 | Rincewind | Genre9mp3: I think I just write it that it does nothing if nothing can be done. |
| 12:54:14 | Rincewind | scorche: you have nice ideas, but I think it should be simple and predictable |
| 12:54:30 | Rincewind | popups are evil! |
| 12:54:34 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: Though it would be nice to do that... wouldn't be confusing? |
| 12:54:57 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: I mean... a user sets it to "enque" and he gets "open with" |
| 12:55:11 | scorche | if we have the options like that |
| 12:55:15 | scorche | , yes |
| 12:55:37 | scorche | but it could be that the option is only what to do with music files |
| 12:55:44 | scorche | and anything but would be open with regardless |
| 12:55:53 | * | Rincewind finds himself something to eat |
| 12:57:24 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind: I dislike popups, too to tell you the truth... |
| 12:58:01 | scorche | i like popups when deleting or some such action |
| 12:58:20 | scorche | but only then... |
| 12:59:35 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how scorche feels about "Canceled" popup in settings |
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| 13:00:30 | scorche | i like it as long as it isnt on there for 3 seconds |
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| 13:01:03 | preglow | bahh, another setting :// |
| 13:02:08 | scorche | it is nice to know, and if you are occupied with something else, it can be easy to hit the wrong button on some targets |
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| 13:09:22 | obo | JdGordon: in english.lang - is id: LANG_RANOOM a typo? |
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| 13:09:46 | JdGordon | obo: hehe woopsies |
| 13:09:47 | JdGordon | yes |
| 13:10:25 | JdGordon | ill fix that asap |
| 13:11:06 | * | amiconn sees talk about configurable button(s). Urgh! |
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| 13:11:23 | preglow | this much code for such an esoteric feature is... well |
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| 13:11:42 | JdGordon | which? |
| 13:11:44 | Rincewind | JdGordon: Random Folder advance, Yes! Thank you very much. That's the only random I like to use |
| 13:11:58 | amiconn | Eeek, random folder advance in cvs :( |
| 13:12:04 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: It's just for _one_ button that is currently redundant on irivers (in WPS and File browser) |
| 13:12:07 | preglow | amiconn: surely won't help archos, hgeh |
| 13:13:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: there was no real objections this morning... |
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| 13:14:29 | preglow | /folder_advance_list.dat ???? |
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| 13:15:21 | JdGordon | preglow: if you can come up with a way thats random, is hardly any code, and is fast ill buy u a coockie! |
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| 13:15:43 | Bagder | "a way thats random" ? |
| 13:16:04 | JdGordon | ok, ignore that part |
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| 13:17:16 | preglow | shouldn't stuff like this be easier to code if you don't do it on a directory basis? |
| 13:17:20 | preglow | like with tagcache or something |
| 13:17:34 | * | Rincewind starts coding, please highlight me if you talk about the record button again |
| 13:17:41 | JdGordon | possibly.. but not everyone uses TC |
| 13:17:59 | preglow | hell, i don't use it myself |
| 13:18:25 | * | Bagder never even tried TC |
| 13:18:39 | * | Bagder is old fashioned and grumpy |
| 13:18:40 | preglow | file system for life |
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| 13:19:02 | preglow | haha |
| 13:19:04 | preglow | ignore me anyway |
| 13:19:07 | * | scorche throws his lot in with the no TC pile as well |
| 13:19:12 | JdGordon | why the heck am i getting error: syntax error before ';' token on the line rb->lcd_update(); on the player? |
| 13:19:20 | preglow | the new file being a plugin does make it somewhat better |
| 13:19:28 | Bagder | JdGordon: because it has no such function? |
| 13:19:52 | preglow | but one of these days i'm going to start worrying seriously about feature bloat in rockbox |
| 13:20:03 | JdGordon | it does... doesnt it? |
| 13:20:21 | Bagder | JdGordon: I believe lcd_update(); is defined to nada for the player |
| 13:20:23 | Slasheri | Bagder: you should try it once at least ;) |
| 13:20:35 | Bagder | Slasheri: nah, I have zero use for it |
| 13:20:52 | JdGordon | Bagder: ha, ok, um... how do i update the display for that then? or is it automagic? |
| 13:21:06 | preglow | JdGordon: automagic, afaik |
| 13:21:08 | Slasheri | Bagder: at least it can remember the order of last played songs :) |
| 13:21:10 | Bagder | yeps |
| 13:21:12 | * | preglow hates charcells |
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| 13:21:49 | Bagder | Slasheri: hehe, that's not a vital feature for me ;-) |
| 13:22:07 | Bagder | in fact, I might be the rockbox user who uses the least functions of Rockbox |
| 13:22:34 | Slasheri | hehe |
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| 13:23:06 | preglow | Bagder: might actually be me |
| 13:23:22 | Bagder | hehe |
| 13:23:33 | preglow | i usually do the following things: load default config, browse file tree, press play, press skip |
| 13:23:38 | amiconn | JdGordon: Player has _non_ lcd_update() on target. The Sim does, however, and needs it |
| 13:23:48 | Bagder | preglow: I use playlists, but I am single-codec |
| 13:24:03 | scorche | ok...what web designer came up with the brilliant idea to have a status field say "yes" |
| 13:24:04 | preglow | never touch playlists, hate the darned things |
| 13:24:04 | scorche | how about mailed, authenticating, paused, or something that actually tells me something!! |
| 13:24:19 | JdGordon | wasnt there talk about dropping support for the charcells ? |
| 13:24:21 | * | scorche growls and says "</rant>" |
| 13:24:25 | preglow | JdGordon: indeed there was |
| 13:24:38 | preglow | and i'm somewhat in favour of it |
| 13:24:45 | * | amiconn has strong objections against dropping player support |
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| 13:26:00 | preglow | Bagder: if codecs count as features, you've got me licked anyway |
| 13:26:12 | Bagder | hehe |
| 13:26:14 | preglow | i use at least four different ones on a regular basis |
| 13:26:19 | preglow | but mostly vorbis |
| 13:26:53 | * | amiconn only keeps tracks in other formats than mp3 for testing purposes |
| 13:27:02 | * | scorche points to the ajbr that sits on the floor |
| 13:27:09 | linuxstb | preglow: What's the point in Rockbox if we don't use it to add features? (re: your comment about feature bloat) |
| 13:27:11 | scorche | enough said ;0 |
| 13:27:22 | * | Genre9mp3 would like to use vorbis, too |
| 13:27:38 | * | JdGordon passes a beer to linuxstb, someone talking some sense :D |
| 13:27:58 | * | linuxstb waits for the beer to travel around the globe |
| 13:28:13 | * | petur gets triggered |
| 13:28:16 | JdGordon | 2 days by air mail |
| 13:29:40 | preglow | shut up |
| 13:29:40 | preglow | ! |
| 13:29:58 | preglow | linuxstb: should use it to add features, sure, but that's not saying we should add every feature we see |
| 13:30:06 | petur | preglow: b e e r :p |
| 13:30:39 | JdGordon | preglow: there are 300+ patches and 200 odd feature requests.. and your asying every feature is added?? |
| 13:30:45 | JdGordon | saying* |
| 13:30:59 | daurnimator | what ye progress on ipod 5.5g? |
| 13:31:10 | scorche | daurnimator: see the thread ;) |
| 13:31:21 | daurnimator | tell me ;) |
| 13:31:29 | scorche | the thread is current |
| 13:31:30 | scorche | ;) |
| 13:31:39 | daurnimator | you are more |
| 13:31:43 | petur | daurnimator: and irc log of yesterday |
| 13:31:57 | JdGordon | I rekon stuff like album art and such features should not get in, but featires whih actually affect playvback should |
| 13:32:03 | scorche | nothing the thread doesnt say... |
| 13:32:05 | JdGordon | should go in that is |
| 13:32:13 | preglow | i think album art should go in, really |
| 13:32:19 | preglow | if it's not too intrusive |
| 13:32:44 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 13:32:55 | preglow | if only to match other firmwares in that regard |
| 13:32:58 | preglow | lots of people want it |
| 13:33:05 | JdGordon | but why? your DAP is to play music, not be looked at.. |
| 13:33:16 | preglow | and i guess what i really want is just a way to find out if there is enough people supporting a feature for it to go in |
| 13:33:16 | Bagder | I disagree |
| 13:33:19 | preglow | but that'd be hard, of course... |
| 13:33:29 | Bagder | JdGordon: then why have a big color screen and all? |
| 13:33:45 | JdGordon | Bagder: "we" do the software, not the hardware |
| 13:33:55 | Bagder | "we" buy the hardware |
| 13:34:08 | markun | JdGordon: which player do you have? |
| 13:34:12 | JdGordon | h300 |
| 13:34:14 | scorche | "we" would like to use the hardware to its fullest |
| 13:34:31 | JdGordon | .. but i got it second hand half price... so you cant say i bouught it because of the clour screen |
| 13:35:08 | preglow | well, you might not |
| 13:35:12 | preglow | but it's obvious that lots of people do |
| 13:35:15 | JdGordon | I dont have a problem with features that make it pretty being added... what i have a problem with is when these are accepted, but usefull stuff relating to playback is rejected |
| 13:35:16 | preglow | so it's a bit of a moot point |
| 13:35:17 | daurnimator | JdGordon: thats what the remote is for |
| 13:35:28 | daurnimator | the dap itself can be anything you want |
| 13:35:53 | preglow | we've got games, peak meters, wpses and all sorts of stuff that suggest people DO look at their daps |
| 13:35:53 | daurnimator | preglow: i agree with you - album art is required |
| 13:36:37 | markun | JdGordon: iAudio M3 might also have been a good DAP for you I think |
| 13:36:41 | JdGordon | preglow: going by that why bother with FLAC or ogg? most people listen to mp3, so why not save spce to pretty it up and leave out those codecs? |
| 13:36:58 | jhMikeS | random random...of course english.lang is always out of sync :) |
| 13:37:04 | daurnimator | JdGordon: cause we are trying to get people AWAY from mp3 |
| 13:37:07 | JdGordon | markun: ok, im being slightly silly... i love the big colour screen, doom is awesome :D |
| 13:37:09 | daurnimator | :P |
| 13:37:17 | * | petur wonders if JdGordon had a bad night |
| 13:37:34 | * | JdGordon likes to argue for the sake of it |
| 13:37:58 | daurnimator | JdGordon: its called "trolling" |
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| 13:38:08 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: no you don't |
| 13:38:08 | * | JdGordon didnt start it |
| 13:38:50 | jhMikeS | petur: I think Linus and I worked out the stuff with iRiver...gonna post an update soon |
| 13:38:56 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: yes you did |
| 13:39:03 | webguest20 | There is a typo in the newly committed english.lang. LANG_RANOOM. Where is D? |
| 13:39:07 | preglow | JdGordon: i don't get your reasoning |
| 13:39:18 | JdGordon | webguest20: fixed |
| 13:39:24 | preglow | JdGordon: i didn't say playback elements are useless |
| 13:39:38 | preglow | i say visual elements are worth taking into consideration |
| 13:39:43 | petur | jhMikeS: no hurry, I'm not near my dev environment until late tonight or tomorrow morning |
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| 13:39:53 | daurnimator | does anyone know of any upcoming daps - lots of buttons, 40gb+ hdd |
| 13:40:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: agree...I want more color and pretty things |
| 13:40:09 | JdGordon | preglow: right, and i agree |
| 13:40:13 | amiconn | I have less objections against album art (nonsense on archos, of course), than I have against configurable buttons, or against dropping a target |
| 13:40:38 | amiconn | It's just that doing album art properly requires a bit more thinking, and some preconditions for doing it properly |
| 13:40:39 | JdGordon | .. but some features which are related to playback have been flatly refused... its that which irritates me |
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| 13:40:50 | preglow | amiconn: indeed |
| 13:42:01 | Rincewind | amiconn: why are you against configurable buttons? Imho, it would increase usability, wheras album art is only eyecandy (or iCandy) |
| 13:42:12 | webguest69 | Great features dont neccessarily make it into rockbox, its a question of who's prepared to code it, and will a cvs dev commit the feature, thats what determines what gets in and what doesn't |
| 13:42:18 | preglow | JdGordon: like i said, we can't just drop all criticism and commit everything relating to playback, rockbox would become confusing as hell to use and very bloated |
| 13:42:22 | scorche | the issue is...playback features typically affect bootbox size, while shiny things dont |
| 13:43:16 | scorche | webguest69: we know...this is mostly a conversation between devs ;) |
| 13:43:24 | * | jhMikeS likes shiny things...and making them too |
| 13:43:24 | preglow | i wouldn't say i consider bootbox at all, but... |
| 13:43:31 | * | linuxstb agrees that the album art patch should be committed - but without the current bmp resizing dependency. |
| 13:43:35 | JdGordon | preglow: im not suggesting that happens.. its just that sometimes it feels like that |
| 13:43:43 | preglow | linuxstb: indeed, indeed |
| 13:44:21 | webguest69 | album art on grey scale ? |
| 13:44:29 | JdGordon | apart from the archos targets, do any others have a filesize limit? |
| 13:44:31 | preglow | webguest69: why not? if people want it, then hey... |
| 13:44:48 | Genre9mp3 | webguest69: We already have jpg viewer on grayscale |
| 13:45:10 | jhMikeS | I thought the bitmaps were required to be fixed size. I haven't looked at album art stuff in some time though. |
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| 13:45:10 | Rincewind | I would like to see wps backdrops on my h120... |
| 13:45:21 | preglow | Rincewind: yeah, but we won't use grayscale tricks in wps |
| 13:45:25 | scorche | JdGordon: i believe iriver does (as it can flash also), but not sure how big |
| 13:45:25 | preglow | so it'll be 4 colours |
| 13:45:36 | Rincewind | 4 colours are fine |
| 13:45:38 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Not any more - there a related patch that adds bmp resizing to the load_bmp_file() function. |
| 13:45:44 | JdGordon | scorche: i tihnk iriver is like 4mb, so thats not a problem |
| 13:45:55 | preglow | flash size on iriver isn't a problem |
| 13:45:58 | preglow | file size isn't a problem |
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| 13:46:06 | preglow | the fact that rockbox becomes confusing and bloated is |
| 13:46:23 | JdGordon | its only confusing because the menus are terrible :D |
| 13:46:32 | preglow | indeed |
| 13:46:38 | Rincewind | btw, how is your patch going, JdGordon? |
| 13:46:49 | amiconn | Rincewind: Configurable buttons are a support nightmare |
| 13:46:53 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: why's that a problem? resizing isn't such a big deal |
| 13:46:57 | preglow | and adding new features at a breakneck pace won't help |
| 13:47:02 | JdGordon | Rincewind: terribly, for some reason it stays boosted, and i have no idea why |
| 13:47:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: need temp buffers to resize |
| 13:47:15 | preglow | big ones |
| 13:47:43 | Rincewind | I don't see a problem with support if we only use a spare button that isn't used otherwise and only give a limited range of configurable actions |
| 13:47:46 | jhMikeS | heh...lemme think about that one...it shouldn't...resize as you read it |
| 13:47:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: The current bmp resizing is (1) ugly code-wise and (2) ugly result-wise |
| 13:47:53 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I just don't like the current implementation. |
| 13:48:16 | webguest69 | a wakeup alarm is surely of more use than album art ? |
| 13:48:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: My suggestion was to commit album-art, but without the resizing ability. |
| 13:48:26 | jhMikeS | it basically works by pixel doubling/dropping? |
| 13:48:35 | amiconn | Regarding eye-candy: I am even thinking about enabling backdrop support for 4-grey targets... |
| 13:49:05 | JdGordon | wont that look horrible? |
| 13:49:11 | amiconn | preglow: No big temp buffers are necessary for proper resizing, even with anti-aliasing |
| 13:49:22 | * | jhMikeS wants colored icons is the statusbar...and colorful sliders and peakmeters. |
| 13:49:28 | Rincewind | it helps with creating wps, because then you can put all the static images in one big image |
| 13:49:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not with a specially made backdrop, e.g. using white and light grey only |
| 13:49:45 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 13:50:36 | preglow | amiconn: then what's the problem? |
| 13:50:40 | webguest69 | is anyone working on a wakeup alarm ? |
| 13:50:58 | amiconn | preglow: what problem? |
| 13:51:00 | JdGordon | webguest69: to do it properly its targte dependant.. so slow |
| 13:51:07 | Genre9mp3 | webguest69: For which target? |
| 13:51:14 | preglow | amiconn: with resizing? |
| 13:51:15 | webguest69 | H140 |
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| 13:51:43 | Genre9mp3 | webguest69: H140 hasn't an RTC.. how it will be possible to wake up? |
| 13:52:06 | daurnimator | webguest69: i see no point in a wake up alarm |
| 13:52:18 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: You could have a power-saving sleep mode - so you don't actually turn it off. |
| 13:52:42 | daurnimator | 1. most have an alarm clock 2. most have a phone 3.no one would be bothered going to the effort to set it |
| 13:53:25 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Sounds do-able but I don't think it worths doing it |
| 13:53:30 | Bagder | daurnimator: most people also have things to play games on or even to listen to music with, they still like Rockbox to do that ;-) |
| 13:53:51 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: But I guess it could be nice to have on RTC targets... |
| 13:53:52 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: thanks...now I have to edit settings.c and english.lang after updating! |
| 13:53:54 | webguest69 | Genre, run a poll and you'll be surprised at the response |
| 13:54:02 | daurnimator | Bagder: rockbox IS for listening to music, and most people don't have anything to play games on on the go |
| 13:54:13 | daurnimator | phones are crap & psps are uncommon and bulky |
| 13:54:16 | Rincewind | I would like rockbox to do my laundry, maybe I should put a feature request up :-D |
| 13:54:19 | Bagder | daurnimator: so why not wake up to your music? |
| 13:54:30 | Genre9mp3 | webguest69: indeed... cause I can't understand why someone wants to wake using his dap |
| 13:54:38 | scorche | daurnimator: i disagree....my phone is pretty good with games (treo) |
| 13:54:41 | petur | I think LinusN was working on an alarm framework |
| 13:54:46 | scorche | as are most smartphones |
| 13:55:03 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: payback... any idea how often i have to do that in my menu patch :D ? |
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| 13:55:08 | preglow | waking up with daps would be great |
| 13:55:15 | webguest69 | I often dose with my music on, and I would like to be woken by my dap after x hours, I would use that feature often |
| 13:55:16 | preglow | beats my bloody alarm clock by leaps and bounds |
| 13:55:30 | petur | or starting a recording at a certain time |
| 13:55:45 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: You'd have to use external speakers though or else doesn't make sense |
| 13:55:48 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: It hasn't been me that's been doing it...just wait >:) hahahaaha |
| 13:56:02 | Genre9mp3 | petur: A scheduler like that would be great! |
| 13:56:03 | JdGordon | oh it has... |
| 13:56:45 | webguest69 | someone was working on a wakeup feature for recording, why not adapt that for plauback as well ? |
| 13:56:54 | preglow | Genre9mp3: nah, using my bigger earphones would work great, i wake easily |
| 13:56:57 | jhMikeS | petur: yes...a programmable recoding seems useful for scheduled program...but I wouldn't want to wear heaphones all nigh |
| 13:57:07 | preglow | Genre9mp3: which is why alarm clocks tend to give me something resembling a heart attack |
| 13:57:42 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: You would sleep wearing your earphones? |
| 13:57:53 | preglow | Genre9mp3: just leave them besides my bed |
| 13:58:02 | amiconn | preglow: [13:47:44] <amiconn> linuxstb: The current bmp resizing is (1) ugly code-wise and (2) ugly result-wise |
| 13:58:11 | preglow | amiconn: at least both can be fixed |
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| 13:59:52 | webguest69 | at work I am allowed a two hour nap, i use my music to help rest, having a alarm which one can set would be usefull, on trains, egg timer, cooking timer, lots of uses :> |
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| 14:00:23 | daurnimator | Bagder: also, many targets only have earphones:P - you try waking up to a near silent sound coming out of earphones |
| 14:00:30 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but I'd rather want to leave it out and do it properly than commit the current crap |
| 14:00:49 | daurnimator | scorche: not everyone has a treo :P |
| 14:00:50 | preglow | amiconn: sure |
| 14:01:04 | preglow | just saying that if resizing can be done with no buffers, then it should be possible too |
| 14:01:08 | scorche | daurnimator: not everyone has a dap either ;) |
| 14:01:19 | daurnimator | scorche: then why would they have rockbox :S |
| 14:01:45 | Genre9mp3 | daurnimator: You can connect the dap to a set of speakers, too |
| 14:01:57 | preglow | in rockbox, that is |
| 14:02:13 | daurnimator | Genre9mp3: but the places people wouldn't already have a good alarm are the places without speakers |
| 14:02:23 | daurnimator | i just see an alarm as totally pointless |
| 14:02:35 | webguest69 | and i dont |
| 14:02:54 | webguest69 | :> |
| 14:02:55 | daurnimator | webguest69: i can't see when you would use it |
| 14:03:02 | Genre9mp3 | daurnimator: Someone could easily hive a nice set of speakers next to his bed |
| 14:03:13 | Genre9mp3 | *have |
| 14:03:27 | webguest69 | I would use it at work |
| 14:03:35 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Anyone who uses their DAP with external speakers could find an alarm feature useful... |
| 14:03:43 | daurnimator | Genre9mp3: and alarm clock, and a mobile, or anything else that has an alarm |
| 14:03:43 | scorche | it doesnt have to be for that either...could fall asleep in your favorite chair and want it to wake you up in 3 hours |
| 14:03:49 | daurnimator | or a WATCH |
| 14:04:02 | scorche | chairs are very comfortable with headphones on |
| 14:04:18 | daurnimator | scorche: my favorite chair is in front of home stereo |
| 14:04:22 | webguest69 | exactly, thats what i do at work |
| 14:04:23 | scorche | hehe |
| 14:04:44 | scorche | webguest69: sleep in your favorite chair? |
| 14:04:47 | daurnimator | webguest69: you fall asleep for 3 hours at work? - i want your job! |
| 14:04:50 | scorche | i want your job.. |
| 14:04:53 | webguest69 | hehe |
| 14:04:57 | Genre9mp3 | daurnimator: You may prefer the nasty high pitch tones that alarms have... others don't! ;) |
| 14:05:53 | daurnimator | Genre9mp3: so they buy an alarm clock - or, like i would, not wake up to anything that ISN'T annoying |
| 14:06:14 | scorche | which includes music from your DAP |
| 14:06:22 | jhMikeS | Isn't an alarm supposed to be annoying so that you wake up? |
| 14:06:36 | daurnimator | jhMikeS: thats what i would think |
| 14:06:53 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Yeah...in that point of you... we don't need alarms! :) |
| 14:07:10 | webguest69 | seriously, my work alows me to take a nap, hence having a wakeup alarm in my dap would be great. or. you're waiting for a connecting flight and want to take a nap, saet the dap alarm |
| 14:07:12 | Genre9mp3 | Of view (damn) |
| 14:07:29 | daurnimator | webguest69: use your phone! |
| 14:07:34 | daurnimator | or your computer! |
| 14:07:48 | * | Bagder reads Zagor's reply to the swedish C&D-letter (on the T*tris case) |
| 14:07:51 | webguest69 | nah thats really nerdy, and I hate phones |
| 14:08:17 | webguest69 | besides with my music in my ears I wont hear the phone ringing |
| 14:08:33 | daurnimator | .. hardly a reason to code something tricky that would probably bloat |
| 14:08:49 | daurnimator | webguest69: turn the music on a sleep timer |
| 14:08:56 | Rincewind | when the music is playing, how are you supposed to hear an alarm from your dap if it is already playing when you sleep? *confused* |
| 14:09:02 | JdGordon | daurnimator: if the hardware can do it then coding an alaram should be dead simple |
| 14:09:35 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you would need to be in a standby state (to save battery) |
| 14:09:40 | JdGordon | yes |
| 14:09:44 | daurnimator | have watchdogs etc |
| 14:09:50 | Bagder | watchdog? |
| 14:10:04 | Genre9mp3 | daurnimator: I wouldn't say taht it would bloat.. |
| 14:10:13 | Bagder | RTC should be enough |
| 14:10:18 | Genre9mp3 | indeed |
| 14:10:20 | Rincewind | nah, a watchdog isn't needed |
| 14:10:28 | webguest69 | if you in the twilight zone, ie dozing, you're ware of the music, but not of time, hence some time of time mark, alarm would be handy |
| 14:10:35 | daurnimator | Bagder: wouldn't you sort of need it monitored while ON & OFF? |
| 14:10:45 | daurnimator | you don't want to leave your dap on |
| 14:10:53 | Bagder | the RTC can wake |
| 14:10:56 | Bagder | wake it |
| 14:11:04 | daurnimator | on all targets???? |
| 14:11:06 | Rincewind | that would be a timer thread on non-RTC targets |
| 14:11:13 | Bagder | yeah |
| 14:11:25 | scorche | all targets that have RTC at least |
| 14:11:44 | daurnimator | i just don't see the point - or especially the worth |
| 14:11:52 | Genre9mp3 | ... and a bootloader that is "aware" of that ;) |
| 14:11:57 | scorche | you might not, but obviously some of us do ;) |
| 14:12:35 | * | scorche goes to the welcoming embrace of his bed |
| 14:12:40 | * | jhMikeS would sleep more soundly with a watchdog |
| 14:13:00 | * | scorche has a watchdog that sleeps with him |
| 14:13:14 | daurnimator | seriously: who doesn't have a phone with them at most times :S |
| 14:13:15 | webguest69 | gf ? |
| 14:13:25 | scorche | i wish... |
| 14:13:26 | webguest69 | me I dont |
| 14:13:26 | JdGordon | amiconn: we finnaly have a working shutdown screen on the recorder! |
| 14:13:26 | daurnimator | webguest69: a labrodor |
| 14:13:33 | daurnimator | :P |
| 14:13:33 | scorche | shiba-inu ;) |
| 14:13:36 | Bagder | daurnimator: still, that phone doesn't have the music set your Rockbox dap has |
| 14:13:57 | jhMikeS | shitzu |
| 14:14:01 | Rincewind | Genre9mp3 and sorche: adding the insert and queue options in my patch is more work than I thought it was. Don't expect any results from me today. |
| 14:14:08 | scorche | jhMikeS: not even... |
| 14:14:29 | scorche | Rincewind: i dont even have the device...just pitching out ideas ;) |
| 14:14:35 | Genre9mp3 | Rincewind: No need to rush... it's good that you are into it |
| 14:15:11 | * | scorche REALLY goes to the welcoming embrace of his bed |
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| 14:15:22 | webguest69 | on a train, listening to music, to ensure you dont miss your station if you nod off, set a tmer on your dap |
| 14:16:00 | * | JdGordon gets scorche's attention so he doesnt in fact go! |
| 14:16:26 | * | scorche stabs JdGordon with a blunt bar of chocolate |
| 14:16:31 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:16:43 | webguest69 | messy |
| 14:16:43 | Rincewind | and what is the timer supposed to do? If you already listening to music, the only thing it can do is stop the music... |
| 14:17:02 | JdGordon | pump the volume up to full |
| 14:17:06 | * | Rincewind slaps scorche around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:17:10 | JdGordon | blow our ears out... that should wake you up |
| 14:17:14 | Bagder | or play a specific song/sound |
| 14:17:17 | webguest69 | make a suitable alarm sound to remind/wake you up |
| 14:17:47 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: ouch! |
| 14:17:48 | Rincewind | and you talk about avoiding option bloat... |
| 14:17:55 | petur | beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep |
| 14:18:03 | webguest69 | thats a good start |
| 14:18:31 | preglow | Bagder: swedish c&d letter? |
| 14:18:31 | webguest69 | or announce something like, "would you like a BJ" |
| 14:18:53 | Bagder | preglow: yeah, Björn got a swedish version of the US C&D-letter, from a swedish law firm |
| 14:18:57 | petur | use voice to wake you up |
| 14:19:15 | Bagder | pretty much a translation of the US one, including the same errors |
| 14:19:28 | scorche | Bagder: what is the issue this time? |
| 14:19:36 | Bagder | the same Tetris |
| 14:19:41 | Genre9mp3 | A tick tick tick tick would be better (this will confuse users and start thinking that they have to use EAC from now on) :P |
| 14:19:49 | scorche | rockblox didnt take care of that? |
| 14:20:03 | preglow | Bagder: how nice |
| 14:20:05 | Bagder | scorche: these guys probably haven't noticed or don't care, I don't know |
| 14:20:10 | scorche | ah |
| 14:20:22 | * | scorche wishes he was on the committers ml |
| 14:20:39 | preglow | have i mentioned i hate idiots? |
| 14:20:41 | Bagder | Zagor's been talking with some swedish lawyers about it now, so we feel on the safe side |
| 14:20:43 | webguest69 | I do use EAC to uberstandard |
| 14:21:04 | preglow | especially no-good idiots |
| 14:21:16 | Rincewind | scorche: if you mean the dev mailing list, why don't you join? |
| 14:21:21 | petur | you know good idiots? |
| 14:21:31 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Are there any good idiots? |
| 14:21:34 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 14:21:35 | scorche | Rincewind: if i had meant the dev mailing list, i would have said that ;) |
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| 14:21:47 | jhMikeS | forest gump? |
| 14:21:51 | scorche | oops...did i talk about the secret ml? |
| 14:21:54 | Rincewind | I didn't know that there is another one |
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| 14:21:56 | * | scorche get a knock on the door |
| 14:22:02 | petur | boo! |
| 14:22:12 | * | Bagder writes down scorche's name on the list of people to deal with |
| 14:22:46 | * | scorche finally sees an opportunity to go to bed |
| 14:22:47 | preglow | haha |
| 14:22:51 | preglow | seeeecret!!!!1 |
| 14:22:58 | preglow | you've done it now |
| 14:23:28 | * | Bagder makes his most secret look |
| 14:23:49 | tucoz | Bagder, I don't know but ubuntu seems to be happy with just writing T*tris clone |
| 14:24:21 | Bagder | tucoz: well, they of course make their own decision |
| 14:24:26 | tucoz | yes |
| 14:24:42 | Bagder | we did get lawyer input on the name issue |
| 14:25:25 | tucoz | I know. I just checked my apt repositories to see what other "falling blocks game" distributors did. |
| 14:25:40 | Genre9mp3 | These law issues can be pretty dumb and annoying some times |
| 14:26:01 | Bagder | yeah, but they can also turn serious unless dealt with properly |
| 14:26:24 | jhMikeS | Thanks the lawyers and the ones you didn't really want to vote for but had no choice |
| 14:26:51 | amiconn | Bagder: I'm still wondering about that c&d. We clearly used a different name than they have trademarked |
| 14:27:05 | tucoz | maybe it is the fact that apple have released their new fw that allows people to buy tetris etc that caused this. |
| 14:27:06 | Bagder | different yes, but not necessarily different enough |
| 14:27:11 | Bagder | that would be up to a court to tell |
| 14:27:22 | tucoz | that's what make rockbox a competitor in this case |
| 14:27:23 | Bagder | was it "confusingly similar" or not |
| 14:27:34 | amiconn | And regarding 'similar sounding' - ask a Greek what tetr(a) stands for |
| 14:27:42 | jhMikeS | four |
| 14:27:48 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 14:27:49 | amiconn | yep |
| 14:27:57 | jhMikeS | oops...I'm not greek so I don't know that |
| 14:27:59 | Bagder | and why is that related? |
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| 14:29:08 | jhMikeS | call it quadrox |
| 14:29:21 | Genre9mp3 | How "rockblox" is "confusingly similar" to T3tr1s ? |
| 14:29:26 | Bagder | sure we could argue that it was different enough and risk them suing us (the individuals they mailed) |
| 14:29:47 | jhMikeS | should find a way to sue them |
| 14:29:51 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: we're talking about "tetrox" |
| 14:29:57 | tucoz | maybe get help from GNU? |
| 14:30:03 | petur | jhMikeS: waste of money |
| 14:30:05 | tucoz | or is this impossible? |
| 14:30:10 | Genre9mp3 | Yeah... but that's already changed |
| 14:30:19 | Bagder | the first C&D mail was sent to a US citizen |
| 14:30:25 | Bagder | getting sued there is COSTLY |
| 14:30:32 | Bagder | even if you're cleared |
| 14:31:04 | Bagder | we don't want that put on a poor single person |
| 14:31:11 | LinusN | in any case, you should always pick your fights |
| 14:31:18 | Bagder | yeah |
| 14:31:23 | jhMikeS | Theres a fish food called Tetra Min...maybe they should be alerted to that |
| 14:31:23 | LinusN | and this fight is just not worth it |
| 14:31:25 | Bagder | it wasn't like the name was the best ever |
| 14:31:50 | LinusN | i like rockblox better than tetrox |
| 14:31:55 | Bagder | me too |
| 14:31:58 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: I can't understand why it's _still_ an issue... |
| 14:32:00 | jhMikeS | Anything starting with tetr- is fair game :) |
| 14:32:19 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: because they haven't paid attention to the rename |
| 14:32:29 | tucoz | If this issue is not settled, it would be interesting to see what other open source projects have done in case they recieved a C&D letter. And also how the falling blocks company reacted in those cases. |
| 14:32:31 | Bagder | they also claim copyright of the actual game play |
| 14:32:40 | Bagder | even the fact that the game is higher than wide |
| 14:32:42 | Genre9mp3 | oh... |
| 14:32:46 | Bagder | and the creation of blocks |
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| 14:32:55 | Bagder | they're insane |
| 14:32:56 | LinusN | ...and a score table |
| 14:32:59 | tucoz | hehe |
| 14:33:16 | Bagder | tucoz: check "quinn" |
| 14:33:29 | Bagder | they got the C&D this summer |
| 14:33:32 | jhMikeS | do they have any other thing they've ever invented? |
| 14:33:44 | tucoz | ok |
| 14:34:03 | Bagder | they now call it "a falling-block game" or something now |
| 14:34:36 | Bagder | jhMikeS: I think they're too busy threatening people all over the world, to be able to do anything real |
| 14:35:14 | jhMikeS | Bagder: they should spend the money paying creative people instead of lawyers imo |
| 14:35:30 | LinusN | i don't think the trademark issue is anything to get upset about |
| 14:35:41 | Bagder | nah, it'll go away |
| 14:35:56 | tucoz | no, but the fact that they pursue the game play of t****s |
| 14:36:11 | jhMikeS | update to 6106 shortly...hopefully to settle it...but don'k know about the exception thing |
| 14:36:27 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'll try it out |
| 14:36:37 | tucoz | I can not care less what it is called. But it must be a shot in the dark for them to sue people because they make clones. |
| 14:37:07 | jhMikeS | I can't image why there should be any crash except maybe something to do with the asynchronous stopping... |
| 14:37:16 | Bagder | tucoz: I'd say they just try to scare people off, without having any real legal backup for it |
| 14:37:40 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: for what? |
| 14:37:45 | Bagder | and the law firms do it since they have no moral and get paid |
| 14:38:02 | tucoz | Bagder, it certainly looks like it (given the impossible fact to sue everyone distributing a clone) |
| 14:38:08 | jhMikeS | LinusN: does this look right for the iRiver: IIS1CONFIG = (freq_ent[FPARM_CLOCKSEL] << 12) | (4 << 2); |
| 14:38:08 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: claiming copyright of the game play etc |
| 14:38:22 | jhMikeS | Leave output digital zero |
| 14:38:32 | Genre9mp3 | Yes.. but what they are hoping to gain? $$$ ? |
| 14:38:47 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: yes, by erasing "competitors" |
| 14:38:53 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes it looks correct. however, i tried that and it didn't work for me |
| 14:39:07 | LinusN | jhMikeS: but otoh, my test was a kludge at best |
| 14:39:28 | jhMikeS | I thought you tried following the clock...but you can't follow IIS2RECVData |
| 14:39:53 | jhMikeS | Since IIS2 is transmit only :\ |
| 14:40:00 | LinusN | Genre9mp3, Bagder: they have lots of work to do: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Games/Tetris_Clone_Games/ :-) |
| 14:40:05 | nudelyn | The Tetris Company have been very litigious for years. |
| 14:40:26 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'll try your patch when you submit it |
| 14:40:43 | Bagder | anyone heard anything more regarding the german name issue? |
| 14:40:45 | daurnimator | damn |
| 14:40:45 | tucoz | LinusN, hehe |
| 14:40:56 | daurnimator | why are there no devices with 40gb+ storage |
| 14:40:58 | jhMikeS | Just test building it now |
| 14:41:14 | LinusN | daurnimator: ipod? |
| 14:41:17 | Bagder | daurnimator: there are many |
| 14:41:27 | daurnimator | Bagder: one with ogg support |
| 14:41:37 | LinusN | daurnimator: ipod with rockbox? |
| 14:41:41 | Bagder | or x5 |
| 14:41:51 | LinusN | x5, yes |
| 14:41:55 | Bagder | even plays ogg in OF, doesn't it? |
| 14:41:58 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:42:02 | daurnimator | i hate control layout of x5 |
| 14:42:07 | tucoz | I should download the original t**ris and set up a webserver selling copies of it. Just to see what happens ;) |
| 14:42:15 | LinusN | daurnimator: but it is a device |
| 14:42:15 | daurnimator | i can't stand ipod OF |
| 14:42:23 | Bagder | <daurnimator> why are there no devices with 40gb+ storage |
| 14:42:43 | Bagder | there's even more if you don't want Rockbox on it |
| 14:42:46 | daurnimator | well, why aren't there any i find appealing |
| 14:42:54 | daurnimator | :S |
| 14:43:05 | daurnimator | i want ogg - doesn't have to be rockbox (though preferable ;) ) |
| 14:43:25 | nudelyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentomino <−− prior art, surely :-) |
| 14:43:26 | Genre9mp3 | FreeTrix, TetriBox, TechTris, Bloxter, Cutetrix... LOL |
| 14:43:30 | Rincewind | iriver H140 with hdd-upgrade = 60gb |
| 14:43:34 | daurnimator | (also around h3xx size) |
| 14:43:47 | Bagder | so h3x0 with disk upgrade! ;-) |
| 14:44:09 | daurnimator | was thinking that - but it gets expensive |
| 14:45:32 | markun | daurnimator: most korean players support ogg vorbis |
| 14:45:52 | daurnimator | all korean players seem to be flash based - or large pvps |
| 14:46:53 | nudelyn | I think so long as the game isn't called Tetris it's fine. |
| 14:47:03 | markun | Samsung YEPP YH-J70 20GB |
| 14:48:01 | LinusN | what do we think about this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6138 |
| 14:48:16 | LinusN | i think "yes" |
| 14:48:47 | JdGordon | hmm... im having lots of problems with my sisters new nano here (1G w rockbox), right now it wornt turn on, and it keeps crashing and then efusing to turn on...? |
| 14:49:00 | * | JdGordon sounds like a typical noobie :p |
| 14:49:10 | Rincewind | wow, blind and a programmer! |
| 14:49:18 | nudelyn | yeah I was just thinking that |
| 14:49:26 | markun | He's not the only one |
| 14:49:27 | JdGordon | menu + select wont even start it |
| 14:49:32 | LinusN | how he does it is beyond me |
| 14:49:51 | nudelyn | maybe he can read really large fonts or something, but not a small DAP screen |
| 14:50:05 | JdGordon | text to speach? |
| 14:50:09 | petur | still.... respect |
| 14:50:13 | markun | LinusN: Zendefera told me he actually uses a screen reader :) |
| 14:50:18 | Rincewind | I can't imagine text-to-speech software is good at voicing indentation and punctuation... |
| 14:50:21 | nudelyn | wow |
| 14:50:22 | daurnimator | markun: awww, no dpad |
| 14:50:39 | markun | He also has a braille terminal, but that's too slow during programming |
| 14:50:43 | JdGordon | Rincewind: if your blind, indentation means as much as it does to the compiler |
| 14:51:08 | nudelyn | I remember the funny way the Amiga's speech software used to say / (SLAAAAASH) |
| 14:51:15 | Rincewind | ok, but he still has to write the code... |
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| 14:52:10 | daurnimator | ouch |
| 14:52:16 | daurnimator | debugging code when blind |
| 14:52:16 | alphakiller | hi |
| 14:52:55 | JdGordon | daurnimator: if its spelt it could make it easier... youd hear the single = instead of double == and find it instanlty... instead of looking for it |
| 14:53:12 | daurnimator | "dash, greater than,vee,ay,arr,ei,arr,bb,le" |
| 14:53:33 | JdGordon | hehe ye :D |
| 14:54:34 | * | petur gets msg from admin: disconnect in 5 mins |
| 14:54:56 | daurnimator | "var, 2, equals, three, divided by, open bracket, 1, 2, plus, 3, 1, openbracket, vee,air,ei,arr,ble, close bracket, closebract" |
| 14:55:34 | jhMikeS | LinusN: it's there |
| 14:56:16 | amiconn | JdGordon: It probably doesn't work because of button actions ;) |
| 14:56:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: scorche tested it and he says it does |
| 14:56:43 | Rincewind | I could imagine he reads the source file with his braille, keeps most of the file in memory and then jumps to the point he wants to edit and starts writing. |
| 14:57:27 | Rincewind | but debugging and editing multiple files would still be very hard |
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| 14:57:57 | * | jhMikeS *anticipating more disaster* |
| 15:00 |
| 15:01:17 | daurnimator | have there ever been rockbox meetups? |
| 15:01:51 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ |
| 15:02:24 | daurnimator | any others? |
| 15:02:26 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/devcon/ |
| 15:03:55 | daurnimator | heh |
| 15:04:19 | daurnimator | if only sweden wasn't many thousands of kilometers away |
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| 15:06:09 | webguest74 | JdGordon: I cant edit my random_folder_advance_config file, nothing shows up in the directory, I did follow the instructions on the wiki |
| 15:06:35 | webguest74 | H140 |
| 15:06:40 | JdGordon | your supposed to run that file, it creates a new file |
| 15:06:45 | JdGordon | that is a plugin |
| 15:06:45 | daurnimator | i hope to come one day - just gotta get money & spare time |
| 15:07:00 | daurnimator | 2009? ;) |
| 15:07:23 | webguest74 | jdGordon: ok, you've lost me, how do i use this feature |
| 15:07:24 | * | JdGordon hopes to come to devcon 08 if its in feb |
| 15:07:50 | daurnimator | depends if i get money for 18th :P |
| 15:07:52 | * | JdGordon hopes to meet my heavy metal buddy in sweden about then for a vaction of non stop swedish chicks and metal :D |
| 15:08:05 | jhMikeS | hmmm brand new H120 on ebay is bid to $189 |
| 15:08:27 | JdGordon | webguest74: menu > browse plugins > random_folder_advance_config, generate list, exit, enable the auto-change diretctory setting |
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| 15:08:39 | daurnimator | how much is an 80gb ipod? |
| 15:08:49 | daurnimator | i want the hdd :P |
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| 15:10:13 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: what about teh other part? I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad :) |
| 15:10:29 | JdGordon | which ther part? |
| 15:10:30 | webguest74 | JdGordon, ok I've generated the file, but when i go to 'Edit' it doesn't show anything |
| 15:10:46 | JdGordon | webguest74: hmm.. odd |
| 15:10:47 | jhMikeS | You got the sex, you got the rock 'n' roll |
| 15:11:04 | JdGordon | amsterdam for the drugs |
| 15:11:34 | webguest74 | >Edit Folder List shows nothing, it says folders xxx in the top left of the display |
| 15:11:41 | daurnimator | fuck |
| 15:11:45 | daurnimator | $2000 to sweden :S |
| 15:11:59 | JdGordon | return? |
| 15:12:00 | jhMikeS | walk there :) |
| 15:12:20 | daurnimator | return |
| 15:12:31 | JdGordon | webguest74: u definatly generated the list before trying to edit? |
| 15:12:38 | JdGordon | daurnimator: thats not too bad |
| 15:12:47 | webguest74 | JdGordon yes |
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| 15:12:59 | daurnimator | its enough for a few weeks |
| 15:13:00 | daurnimator | :S |
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| 15:14:10 | daurnimator | well - cheapest is AirFrance @ $1937 , it goes up to $12000 still in economy |
| 15:14:44 | webguest74 | JdGordon: if I'm in the 'edit folders' screen, and I hold navi down, I can faintly see characters scrolling in the screen, but very faintly |
| 15:15:32 | jhMikeS | LinusN: you there? I have it up |
| 15:15:45 | LinusN | jhMikeS: compiling... |
| 15:15:53 | JdGordon | webguest74: have u got a tiny font set or something? |
| 15:16:06 | webguest74 | nimbus 12 |
| 15:16:20 | * | jhMikeS needs his diapers |
| 15:16:22 | daurnimator | ugh |
| 15:16:24 | JdGordon | hmm... no idea... try exiting and reloading it |
| 15:16:30 | webguest74 | now its stuck in a loop between the edit screen and save and exit |
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| 15:16:40 | daurnimator | are vietnam airlines a plane company, or a missile? |
| 15:16:40 | JdGordon | you dont actually need to edit it at all |
| 15:16:46 | JdGordon | lol |
| 15:16:56 | daurnimator | cause... they're rather cheap |
| 15:17:01 | JdGordon | daurnimator: what site are u looking at? |
| 15:17:04 | daurnimator | but i like to GET to my destination |
| 15:17:29 | jhMikeS | I guess they don't bother learning to land the plane but they get you there |
| 15:17:34 | webguest74 | JdGordon, does it scan all the files on my player and Only playback mp3 files ? |
| 15:17:37 | daurnimator | vietnam airlines start at $1253 |
| 15:17:57 | JdGordon | webguest74: just the folders |
| 15:18:35 | webguest74 | I use file tree and have a few non mp3 folders as well, will it ignore those ? |
| 15:18:48 | daurnimator | are Austrian Airlines any good? |
| 15:19:04 | JdGordon | thats the QANTAS one to SE asia isnt it? |
| 15:19:15 | webguest74 | Austrain are good |
| 15:19:23 | daurnimator | ... its austrian - not australian |
| 15:19:27 | JdGordon | hehe woops |
| 15:19:33 | JdGordon | webguest74: yes |
| 15:19:50 | LinusN | jhMikeS: playback works, recording is silent and the crash is still there (might be voice related) |
| 15:19:52 | daurnimator | hmmm |
| 15:19:57 | webguest74 | pk, so after generating i just select play ? |
| 15:20:05 | daurnimator | methinks i'll go on a trip next year |
| 15:20:10 | jhMikeS | still no peaks showing? |
| 15:20:28 | * | JdGordon thinks the wiki page isnt clear enough |
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| 15:20:44 | LinusN | jhMikeS: no, nothing |
| 15:20:53 | webguest74 | JdGordon, after generating the file, do i just select play ? |
| 15:21:17 | JdGordon | webguest74: yes |
| 15:21:29 | webguest74 | on any file ? |
| 15:21:34 | jhMikeS | rrrrrr...wonder how that could be. IIS1 should now be generating the clock for WSO |
| 15:21:46 | LinusN | jhMikeS: beats me |
| 15:21:49 | JdGordon | daurnimator: http://www.cheapflights.com/flights/Stockholm/Melbourne-Int-Apt/ ^71 |
| 15:21:53 | JdGordon | $671 |
| 15:22:08 | daurnimator | arg |
| 15:22:12 | daurnimator | travel insurance |
| 15:22:20 | daurnimator | with mp3 players, laptops etc covered |
| 15:22:22 | JdGordon | stupid bloody americans stealing the city name |
| 15:22:26 | daurnimator | its heaps :S |
| 15:23:31 | daurnimator | JdGordon: theres $470 in that list |
| 15:23:40 | * | webguest74 would really like to get random folder to work |
| 15:24:02 | JdGordon | daurnimator: its from melbourne florida, USA, and in USD |
| 15:24:14 | daurnimator | ah. hahaha |
| 15:24:31 | daurnimator | we're better anyway |
| 15:24:35 | jhMikeS | LinusN: you got a reset on the settings? hmmm |
| 15:24:38 | JdGordon | obviuously |
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| 15:24:42 | daurnimator | melbourne searches on google are all us |
| 15:24:52 | daurnimator | harldy EVER get usa results |
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| 15:25:21 | webguest74 | try expedia.xx |
| 15:25:35 | webguest74 | www.expedia.xxx |
| 15:25:49 | * | JdGordon goes to bed |
| 15:25:50 | JdGordon | cyaz |
| 15:25:54 | | Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") |
| 15:25:54 | webguest74 | hoi |
| 15:26:15 | daurnimator | xxx? |
| 15:26:48 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes, i have reset the settings |
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| 15:27:47 | webguest74 | www.expedia.com for the US i think, they have bracnhes in most countries, www.expedia.nl for the Netherlands etc.. |
| 15:28:36 | amiconn | Bagder: Does the build system do concurrent hand-out of builds nowadays? |
| 15:28:42 | webguest74 | damn, I still haven't got JdG's random patch to work |
| 15:28:51 | Bagder | concurrent hand-out of builds? |
| 15:28:54 | daurnimator | well, i can get to sweden |
| 15:29:04 | daurnimator | but i can't afford to take anything with me :P |
| 15:29:24 | Bagder | amiconn: afaik, it has always done that |
| 15:29:31 | amiconn | I mean, when all builds are already assigned to a build server, but not all returned yet, hand out not-yet-returned builds to idle server |
| 15:29:33 | amiconn | s |
| 15:29:46 | Bagder | ah, that |
| 15:29:48 | Bagder | no |
| 15:30:25 | amiconn | Then use the result from the server which returns it first |
| 15:30:51 | amiconn | Could help to decrease total build time a little bit, because of 2 effects |
| 15:30:58 | Bagder | indeed it would |
| 15:31:09 | jhMikeS | hmmm bit 6 in the i2s register maybe |
| 15:31:35 | jhMikeS | mmm dunno |
| 15:31:50 | webguest74 | anyone know how to initiate play with JdGordons Random Folder plugin ? |
| 15:31:55 | amiconn | (1) A fast server could do the total build in less time than a slower server which already started the build. (2) Since that means fast servers will do more builds, they would get even faster because of better ccache usage |
| 15:31:59 | amiconn | (less aging) |
| 15:32:03 | LinusN | jhMikeS: which one? |
| 15:32:21 | daurnimator | pl |
| 15:32:23 | daurnimator | ok |
| 15:32:29 | daurnimator | gnight all |
| 15:32:42 | jhMikeS | SEL_SOURCE in the uda i2s register says 0 for digital output to decimator |
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| 15:33:39 | godzirra | Hrm. |
| 15:33:48 | godzirra | Apparently ephpod |
| 15:33:53 | godzirra | + 5.5g = can't see your music |
| 15:34:19 | jhMikeS | I don't know...I'm just guessing at this...if I could try and test myself I'd probably have it in 30min :( |
| 15:34:50 | daurnimator | ok, just a note: all usa flight sites have more expensive stuff that nativly |
| 15:36:01 | LinusN | jhMikeS: probably |
| 15:37:34 | daurnimator | LinusN: when is peak/off-peak tourist season for you guys |
| 15:38:04 | Bagder | the 364 days we don't have summer ;-) |
| 15:38:06 | LinusN | tourists? in sweden? haha! :-) |
| 15:38:25 | LinusN | summer in sweden is the best day of the year |
| 15:39:10 | alphakiller | hahaha |
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| 15:39:28 | * | jhMikeS gives up...maybe once I get my H1x0 |
| 15:39:37 | daurnimator | uh, surely you gets lots of skiers etc |
| 15:40:01 | Bagder | daurnimator: not to Stockholm |
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| 15:40:34 | jhMikeS | I think master mode could be enabled for recording...the way it's set up it doesn't have anything to do with the inputs |
| 15:40:43 | Bagder | and skiers from further away don't come to Sweden, they go to the alps |
| 15:41:16 | daurnimator | ok |
| 15:41:27 | daurnimator | i assume you can get by on english |
| 15:41:32 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 15:41:38 | Bagder | so winter-time in Stockholm is pretty off-season |
| 15:42:11 | * | daurnimator wonders why you have devcon in winter |
| 15:42:19 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'll try it on my dev-h100 at home, where i can measure the signals |
| 15:42:38 | Bagder | daurnimator: why not? sitting indoors for a few days it doesn't really matter when we have it |
| 15:42:44 | LinusN | daurnimator: to scare the foreign devs off |
| 15:42:45 | jhMikeS | Would so appreciate that...would love to get it working |
| 15:43:06 | Genre9mp3 | daurnimator: It's cheaper to travel off-season ;) |
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| 15:43:19 | daurnimator | well, i'd love to come, but, at the heart of winter, i don't know how i'd go backpacking through the rest of europe |
| 15:43:48 | * | LinusN doesn't see the connection between backpacking and devcon |
| 15:44:03 | Bagder | and there's no date set for any upcoming devcon |
| 15:44:16 | daurnimator | i'm not going to spend $2000 for a single week of rockbox deving :P |
| 15:44:23 | LinusN | i'd like to have it in spring-07 |
| 15:44:32 | Bagder | me too |
| 15:44:49 | LinusN | or next weekend :-P |
| 15:44:55 | daurnimator | heh |
| 15:45:01 | daurnimator | well, gnight all |
| 15:45:22 | * | linuxstb is scared of devcons - they cause madness as demonstrated by the suggestion of release dates ... |
| 15:45:32 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 15:46:17 | godzirra | linuxstb: hey, do you have the search function on your 5g upgraded to 1.2? |
| 15:47:06 | Genre9mp3 | heh... it seems that 3.0 will be released after the 3.1 eta |
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| 15:49:15 | Bagder | we don't need no stinking releases |
| 15:49:23 | LinusN | amen to that |
| 15:49:52 | LinusN | we need releases that don't stink :-) |
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| 15:52:52 | LinusN | jhMikeS: it looks like we need a target tree approach to the audio/codec stuff |
| 15:53:08 | LinusN | really messy as it is now |
| 15:53:33 | jhMikeS | LinusN: you mean SW/HW? |
| 15:54:26 | linuxstb | godzirra: If you're talking about a feature of the Apple firmware, I've no idea - I've never started it. |
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| 15:54:28 | LinusN | i mean the code in pcm_playback.c and pcm_record.c |
| 15:55:10 | LinusN | codec in this context means the tlv and the uda |
| 15:56:37 | jhMikeS | ok...the DMA stuff too for sure |
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| 15:58:09 | jhMikeS | If this gets to working right I already have plans to unmeld the code that does recording (buffers, encoders, etc) from the DMA itself and register setting. |
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| 15:58:24 | LinusN | goodie |
| 15:59:31 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking about a reverse interface from the pcm_playback that calls back when it has more data |
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| 16:00:44 | LinusN | sounds reasonable |
| 16:00:52 | jhMikeS | most of the code in pcm_record.c can be sort of mid-level like pcm_buffer |
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| 16:02:20 | jhMikeS | LinusN: are you saying you'd have files in the target tree like tlv320-x5.c ? |
| 16:03:35 | LinusN | jhMikeS: no, more like pcm-x5.c |
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| 16:04:04 | LinusN | and maybe also pcm-coldfire.c |
| 16:04:26 | LinusN | for the coldfire common stuff |
| 16:04:37 | LinusN | i haven't really thought it out |
| 16:04:44 | jhMikeS | IMO all the DMA stuff for in/out could be in one file...just basic audio data transfer |
| 16:05:10 | jhMikeS | target specific functions in the proper place of course |
| 16:05:41 | godzirra | linuxstb: ok, was just curious. Someone said the search function was only in the 5.5g's, not in the upgraded 5g's. If thats the case, then apple has a lot of 5.5g's that they dont have the serials listed for on their website. |
| 16:05:53 | LinusN | well, the dma is still platform specific |
| 16:05:53 | godzirra | Was trying to get independent confirmation of this. |
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| 16:06:46 | jhMikeS | you said it...pcm-coldfire...then for more specific if needed pcm-x5/h300 etc |
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| 16:08:59 | LinusN | jhMikeS: then we're on the same track |
| 16:09:28 | jhMikeS | but the DMA itself isn't so different for the coldfires |
| 16:09:37 | LinusN | nope |
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| 16:09:56 | jhMikeS | The shuffling about of stuff is easy compared to getting a UDA to with with WSPLL in slave mode :) |
| 16:10:37 | LinusN | hehe |
| 16:11:47 | jhMikeS | I mean I tried to keep the whole thing to MONSTER size and not go to BEHEMOTH size |
| 16:11:59 | petur | lol |
| 16:13:59 | linuxstb | godzirra: I'm running the Apple firmware now, and can't see a search function, but I haven't got any music copied to it via itunes. Out of interest, what is the Model number displayed in the About screen on your ipod? |
| 16:14:01 | jhMikeS | Code name: the Saturn patch. Could have been the Jupiter patch. |
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| 16:15:56 | godzirra | linuxstb: let me check. |
| 16:16:21 | godzirra | Where does it show model number? |
| 16:16:25 | godzirra | and having music doesnt matter |
| 16:16:31 | godzirra | mine was empty when I confirmed it had the search feature |
| 16:16:37 | godzirra | so it seems like apple's list of serials is wrong. |
| 16:17:10 | jhMikeS | The first codec patch was 308kb and this is 371 so it's not so bad :) |
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| 16:19:23 | linuxstb | godzirra: Settings->About |
| 16:19:47 | anjo | noob here - i just flashed my 4g, installed rockbox, rebooted, all seems fine. how do i get flac playback to work? |
| 16:20:14 | linuxstb | Have you copied some FLAC files to your ipod's hard disk? |
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| 16:20:42 | godzirra | MA446LL |
| 16:20:56 | anjo | no. i tried using amarok to transfer but it refused saying genertic player cannot plackback. |
| 16:21:01 | linuxstb | godzirra: Mine is MA146FB (a 30GB). |
| 16:21:48 | * | godzirra nods. |
| 16:21:52 | godzirra | i'm guessing thats the original 5g. |
| 16:21:59 | godzirra | mines 30GB too |
| 16:22:19 | linuxstb | anjo: Rockbox is completely unrelated to itunes and the itunesdb. Just copy the flac files to your ipod as you would copy them to any other hard disk - i.e. drag and drop. |
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| 16:25:23 | anjo | that is too cool :-D you guys & gals rock !! |
| 16:25:30 | anjo | thanks linuxstb |
| 16:26:24 | anjo | about time this ipod worked as i wanted. |
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| 16:27:25 | linuxstb | godzirra: Yes, I bought mine at the end of 2005 - shortly after it was released. |
| 16:27:36 | anjo | ok, flac playback works fine and iriver loses one sale :-) |
| 16:27:44 | godzirra | oh well. |
| 16:27:48 | godzirra | I've got a ninja 5.5 |
| 16:28:18 | linuxstb | It could be interesting to ask others what their model numbers are - it would be an easy way to identify the rogue 5gs. |
| 16:29:08 | anjo | any must have plugins etc / tweaks for a rockbox install? i only want to play music, not video or apps etc. |
| 16:29:20 | linuxstb | Hmm... On the back of my ipod, it says "Model AJ136" and (C) 2005 Apple Computers, Inc. |
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| 16:30:39 | linuxstb | anjo: There is a known problem on the 4g where Rockbox freezes randomly... If you experience that, try the unofficial build here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 |
| 16:30:40 | godzirra | A1136 here |
| 16:30:50 | linuxstb | As for plugins, all the plugins come with Rockbox - you already have them installed. |
| 16:30:58 | godzirra | Model A1136 EMC |
| 16:31:00 | godzirra | actually. |
| 16:31:17 | linuxstb | Sorry, just wiped some dust off it - mine is A1136 EMC as well :) |
| 16:31:24 | godzirra | hehe |
| 16:31:44 | godzirra | Well, ending in V9M seems to be a 5.5g |
| 16:31:58 | linuxstb | Actually, "Model No.: A1136" and "EMC No.: 2065" |
| 16:32:01 | godzirra | I've had two that end in V9M and both have the search function |
| 16:32:11 | godzirra | same EMC No. I have |
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| 16:32:22 | linuxstb | What's the (C) date? |
| 16:32:28 | anjo | thanks again linuxstb , i'll dig around some in all these options. cheers |
| 16:32:43 | godzirra | 2005 |
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| 16:33:02 | linuxstb | So externally they seem identical... |
| 16:33:18 | * | godzirra nods |
| 16:33:27 | Arathis | on my H10 the "Music" dir is only present if I use "show files: all" . any idea how this can be? |
| 16:33:47 | linuxstb | Is that the directory the iriver firmware uses for music? |
| 16:33:56 | Arathis | yes, it is |
| 16:34:23 | Arathis | btw my tag-cache won't initialize too. this myight be related to each other |
| 16:34:24 | linuxstb | If it's not shown, then it means either the "hidden" or (I think) "system" attribute is set on that folder. |
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| 16:34:48 | Arathis | how can I change this with linux? |
| 16:34:52 | linuxstb | I didn't think tagcache would take account of that attribute though. |
| 16:35:24 | linuxstb | You will probably need mtools. Or create another directory, move the contents and then rename. |
| 16:35:44 | Arathis | i'll try, thanks so far |
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| 16:50:58 | Slasheri | tagcache doesn't check any attributes |
| 16:58:39 | Arathis | Slasheri: so what's the problem than? |
| 16:59:17 | Arathis | the files are there, I can play them, but tag-cache either won't find them or just is currupted itself |
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| 17:00:40 | Arathis | I didn't change anything else than the firmware (RB to RB) yesterday, but since than tag-cache just says "creating tag-cache... [1/7]" but doesn't do anything. |
| 17:01:01 | Arathis | even if I reinitialize it the busy icon doesn't apear as it should |
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| 17:23:28 | Slasheri | Arathis: remove the tagcache_tmp.tcd from .rockbox and try again |
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| 17:23:42 | Slasheri | it's possible that you have got a corrupt temporary file |
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| 17:35:54 | godzirra | Sigh. no matter how I add stuff to itunes it adds two of each song. |
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| 18:06:55 | PaulJam | JdGordon: and another issue: it would be better if removed folders were removed from the list instead of appearing as blank lines in the list. |
| 18:10:30 | Captain_A | hey I have a question and have checked the manual and found nothing |
| 18:11:13 | Captain_A | how do I save in rockboy? I know you hit hold then save game then type in the name, but don't know how to enter that as the save name |
| 18:11:17 | Captain_A | on an ipod 5g |
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| 18:12:55 | Captain_A | no idea what to do |
| 18:13:10 | Captain_A | same problem with saving a config |
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| 18:16:41 | nls | Captain_A,http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-370004.1.4 |
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| 18:45:07 | RogerBacon | hi, anyone here work porting rockbox to gigabeat s ? |
| 18:45:10 | RogerBacon | we really need it |
| 18:46:01 | RogerBacon | - MTP - No customizable interface - Lack of fonction - Not playing another format like ogg .... |
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| 18:48:34 | linuxstb | RogerBacon: I don't think so. |
| 18:49:21 | RogerBacon | :( |
| 18:49:35 | RogerBacon | and the player have no custom EQ |
| 18:49:42 | RogerBacon | anyway ... |
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| 20:05:07 | godzirra | Anyone know why when I import my music into itunes it duplicates every song? |
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| 20:07:33 | ikke33 | hello |
| 20:07:39 | ikke33 | anyone here who can help me? |
| 20:07:53 | PaulJam | depends on your problem |
| 20:07:56 | ikke33 | i've just installed rockbox on my ipod 5g video |
| 20:08:08 | ikke33 | but when i click to play music i can't hear anything |
| 20:08:28 | ikke33 | my sound is on 0db |
| 20:08:39 | ikke33 | and i dind't change anything |
| 20:09:02 | ikke33 | another thing |
| 20:09:25 | ikke33 | is there a way i change back and forth to the rockbox/apple OS? |
| 20:09:44 | obo | hold menu as it boots to go back to the apple os |
| 20:09:56 | ikke33 | only menu? |
| 20:10:07 | obo | yup - and very early in the boot process |
| 20:10:10 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: how is the patch? I just read about playback and all that... any info on v2.2 on iriver? |
| 20:10:24 | obo | keep it held down until you see "Booting origional firmware" or something like that |
| 20:11:10 | ikke33 | i don't get any msg |
| 20:11:20 | ikke33 | yeah something like |
| 20:11:27 | ikke33 | repeat all |
| 20:11:33 | ikke33 | shuffle |
| 20:12:04 | obo | that's the quick menu - you need to hold menu *as it boots* - ie as you turn it on |
| 20:12:18 | PaulJam | Davide-NYC: for your codec performance test, wouldn't something like this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2958 be better than measuring the boost ratio? |
| 20:13:18 | Davide-NYC | PaulJam: not quite but very close |
| 20:13:22 | Davide-NYC | "Only works on single file playlists." |
| 20:13:26 | Davide-NYC | urghh |
| 20:14:08 | Davide-NYC | I love the transcode Idea. |
| 20:14:15 | ikke33 | works thanks |
| 20:14:31 | ikke33 | do u have any idea why i can't play music with rockbox? |
| 20:15:21 | obo | does the GUI show the file playing? ie, if you're still using the default WPS, are the peakmeters active? |
| 20:15:38 | ikke33 | nothing moves |
| 20:15:53 | ikke33 | it's stuck on 0.00 sec |
| 20:16:09 | obo | what kind of files are they? |
| 20:16:16 | ikke33 | and when i try to go back to the root menu, i can't anymore :s |
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| 20:16:21 | ikke33 | music files |
| 20:16:23 | ikke33 | mp3 |
| 20:16:40 | obo | any images embedded into the tags? |
| 20:17:00 | ikke33 | can't see any images |
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| 20:17:54 | ikke33 | srry, i'm very new to this |
| 20:18:01 | ikke33 | just installed it now |
| 20:18:10 | ikke33 | because i wanted games on my ipod ^^ |
| 20:18:23 | obo | theres something about that file that rb doesn't like, it sounds like it's causing it to hang... |
| 20:18:41 | ikke33 | rb? |
| 20:18:46 | obo | rockbox :) |
| 20:18:49 | ikke33 | :) |
| 20:19:40 | ikke33 | well yeah, but now that i know that i can still go back to the apple firmware, i'm pretty satisfied |
| 20:19:48 | ikke33 | offcourse i'd like everything to work |
| 20:20:12 | obo | how many audio files did you try it on? |
| 20:20:14 | ikke33 | but i was getting afraid i broke everything :p |
| 20:20:24 | ikke33 | uhm |
| 20:20:28 | ikke33 | one actually |
| 20:20:31 | ikke33 | i'll try other |
| 20:20:35 | obo | it's very hard to brick an ipod... I don't think rockbox has broken any yet |
| 20:21:04 | ikke33 | lol :) |
| 20:21:13 | Lear | Not sure I like what crossfeed does to the bass on some tracks... :) |
| 20:21:33 | ikke33 | hehe |
| 20:21:35 | ikke33 | ow |
| 20:21:39 | ikke33 | how strange this is |
| 20:21:47 | ikke33 | i click on another mp3 |
| 20:21:50 | ikke33 | to play it |
| 20:22:09 | ikke33 | but he keeps trying to play the previous file i had problems with |
| 20:22:32 | ikke33 | so he won't play at all |
| 20:22:52 | Lear | did you restart in between? |
| 20:23:04 | ikke33 | yes |
| 20:23:10 | obo | and do you have auto-resume enabled? |
| 20:23:16 | ikke33 | i think so |
| 20:23:36 | obo | boot your ipod with hold on - that will reset the rb settings |
| 20:23:56 | ikke33 | ok |
| 20:24:43 | ikke33 | yeahhhhh |
| 20:24:45 | ikke33 | it works |
| 20:24:51 | ikke33 | big tanks :) |
| 20:24:55 | ikke33 | thanks* |
| 20:25:19 | ikke33 | still have time for one last question? :p |
| 20:25:20 | obo | good stuff :) |
| 20:25:26 | obo | sure |
| 20:25:37 | ikke33 | do you know how to load games on ipod? |
| 20:25:52 | ikke33 | are they allready installed or do i need to download them from somewhere |
| 20:26:12 | obo | they're installed - checkout the plugins section on the wiki |
| 20:26:18 | Lear | some games are ready to go, other need data files and the like. |
| 20:26:20 | ikke33 | ok thx |
| 20:26:22 | obo | you need to download some extra files for some (ie doom)... |
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| 21:40:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have any alternative suggestions to solve the screens->bitmap() warnings? |
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| 21:54:23 | RedKrieg | is there any way to accelerate scrolling? I have something like 1000 bands and it takes minutes to find the one I want |
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| 21:55:25 | linuxstb | RedKrieg: What player are you using? |
| 21:55:58 | RedKrieg | rockbox, daily build from 10/8 |
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| 21:56:16 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: LinusN says he's gonna check some stuff on his dev-H100 and see what's going on with receiving data. |
| 21:56:39 | linuxstb | RedKrieg: I mean which device? iriver, cowon, ipod? |
| 21:57:02 | Davide-NYC | Are you talking about optical/SPDIF I/O? If so, where are we with that? I'm confused. |
| 21:57:22 | jhMikeS | No...just getting data to the CPU with normal recording |
| 21:57:32 | jhMikeS | SPDIF would probably work just fine |
| 21:57:44 | Davide-NYC | this is for encoding on the fly... |
| 21:58:07 | Davide-NYC | how is the v2.2 patch? |
| 21:58:15 | Davide-NYC | ready for testing? |
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| 21:58:32 | jhMikeS | You can play back but you'll get silence trying to recording anything. |
| 21:58:34 | RedKrieg | linuxstb, sorry, video ipod |
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| 21:59:23 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: The chip setup changed and of course I'm stuck with waiting for others to check...hrmph |
| 21:59:46 | Davide-NYC | hmm |
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| 22:00:15 | Davide-NYC | In that case I will also wait. I would be of no use if I can;t record. |
| 22:00:15 | linuxstb | RedKrieg: There's an experimental patch for accelerated scrolling on the ipod, but I haven't tried it. It's included in (I think) most of the "unsupported" Rockbox builds available here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 |
| 22:00:45 | RedKrieg | linuxstb, thanks! |
| 22:00:58 | jhMikeS | If that worked I'd probably commit the thing...there's probably a solvable reason since it's supposed to work...just got some stupid thing wrong. |
| 22:02:54 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: did you see the flyspray lpugin request for a transcoder plugin? |
| 22:03:02 | Davide-NYC | *plugin |
| 22:03:32 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6152 |
| 22:03:38 | Davide-NYC | this is a truly great idea. |
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| 22:05:09 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: The idea's been talked about since Rockbox first got swcodec playback. Everyone agrees it's a good idea though. |
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| 22:05:52 | Davide-NYC | Yeah, with benchmarking we could ask the users to do tests and then upload the resulting file somewhere. |
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| 22:06:39 | Davide-NYC | People who can't code but want to help could do this. |
| 22:07:19 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: don't we have transcoder plugins? mp3_encoder and wav2wv? |
| 22:07:31 | jhMikeS | looking... |
| 22:07:59 | Davide-NYC | this would be more general. |
| 22:08:05 | Davide-NYC | wait. |
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| 22:08:51 | Davide-NYC | I don;t have those plugins anymore! (maybe I killed them with my overzealous nogames patch) :-) |
| 22:09:27 | jhMikeS | You can't have two codecs running simultaneously |
| 22:10:01 | Davide-NYC | it would be codec−−>WAV OR WAV−−>codec |
| 22:10:04 | jhMikeS | preglow, amiconn and I were talking about doing this though but it would require relocatable code. |
| 22:10:12 | Davide-NYC | not both at the same time. |
| 22:10:36 | Davide-NYC | um... lost (as usual) |
| 22:10:44 | jhMikeS | It's sexier to do em without an intermediate file but yeah writing a wav file is an option. |
| 22:11:29 | Davide-NYC | the idea Paul_The_Nerd had was to not write the output file but instead write a logfile that would give decoding performance. |
| 22:11:50 | jhMikeS | Really would only need a raw pcm file |
| 22:12:01 | Davide-NYC | I suppose. |
| 22:12:31 | jhMikeS | can do that I guess |
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| 22:14:52 | jhMikeS | Playing with peakmeter code for playback...the peaks make sense even when super over loaded |
| 22:15:29 | lowlight | lostlogic needs to reimpliment his null playback timer (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2958) |
| 22:15:36 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Transcoding could be done by codec swapping, the same way as voice works. |
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| 22:16:19 | jhMikeS | yes but I'd love to just pipe one into the other ideally that is |
| 22:16:20 | LinusN | jhMikeS: there? |
| 22:16:24 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 22:16:34 | jhMikeS | find out anything? |
| 22:16:35 | Davide-NYC | guys, the idea (in my mind at least) would be to give the users a simple process with which we could generate lots and lots of standardized results for both battery_bench and codec_performance. |
| 22:16:42 | LinusN | the wso clock is generated |
| 22:16:48 | jhMikeS | ok |
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| 22:17:15 | LinusN | so it is not the clock generation but something else |
| 22:17:37 | jhMikeS | lr clk? |
| 22:17:51 | LinusN | i can also see that the wsi and wso clocks are not synched |
| 22:18:07 | LinusN | but that's to be expected i guess |
| 22:18:12 | jhMikeS | I mean...all clocks are present in the interface though? |
| 22:18:29 | LinusN | i only connected the ws clock |
| 22:18:50 | LinusN | but i can connect the bit clk as well if you wish |
| 22:19:06 | jhMikeS | Hmmm....I'd be curious about the data line too...just for sanity |
| 22:19:25 | LinusN | oki |
| 22:19:27 | jhMikeS | Are you watching this on a scope? |
| 22:19:34 | LinusN | logic analyzer |
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| 22:19:57 | Dma-Sc | hi |
| 22:20:03 | jhMikeS | brb |
| 22:20:10 | LinusN | jhMikeS: ditto |
| 22:21:12 | Dma-Sc | Genre9mp3: i finished my WPS and posted it on the wiki, if you want to check it out ;) |
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| 22:23:49 | jhMikeS | LinusN: for the other two? |
| 22:25:12 | Genre9mp3 | Dma-Sc: Very nice! I like it... clean and nice design.... though I don't have (sort of) an H100 player :P |
| 22:25:50 | Genre9mp3 | Dma-Sc: And wow... 20 battery levels.. sounds precise indeed ;) |
| 22:26:09 | Dma-Sc | ah thanks :) |
| 22:26:24 | jhMikeS | LinusN: You said you tried SCLK, LRCK follow IIS1? Why wouldn't the two clocks be synced if the cf is providing them? |
| 22:28:52 | LinusN | they are in synch, but they do not align |
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| 22:29:32 | jhMikeS | weird...but you have data too? |
| 22:29:41 | LinusN | ok, bclk is active as well, and there is activity on the data line as well |
| 22:29:42 | Dma-Sc | Genre9mp3: it may be quite "crowded" to some, but small fonts aren't good for a fast look in the pocket ;) |
| 22:30:02 | jhMikeS | I mean if they're both from the cf why are they not in phase? |
| 22:30:15 | LinusN | but the data seems to be static |
| 22:30:39 | LinusN | jhMikeS: maybe because they were not activated at the same time |
| 22:31:22 | LinusN | i believe they are implemented as simple counters |
| 22:31:34 | jhMikeS | ahh...not dividers |
| 22:32:24 | LinusN | anyway, this tells us that the clock generation works, and the fault is either in the uda or the dma |
| 22:32:42 | jhMikeS | not sure what you mean by static data |
| 22:32:50 | LinusN | it is the same all the time |
| 22:32:58 | Genre9mp3 | Dma-Sc: As long as everything is placed in a "logical" way, big fonts is a big advantage for a wps IMO |
| 22:34:04 | Genre9mp3 | Dma-Sc: Nimbus and nedore are my favorite fonts (though the second one is considered to be a small one) |
| 22:34:19 | jhMikeS | how could the DMA cause that since it's an input? |
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| 22:34:56 | LinusN | jhMikeS: beats me |
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| 22:35:42 | LinusN | dma seems to work |
| 22:36:04 | LinusN | so it must be the uda adc |
| 22:36:16 | LinusN | lots of 3-letter acronyms today :-) |
| 22:36:19 | jhMikeS | In conclusion: got clocks, but the same data repeasted...so the uda isn't putting new data on the line |
| 22:36:29 | LinusN | exactly |
| 22:37:08 | * | jhMikeS will move his computer to padded room now |
| 22:37:39 | Dma-Sc | Genre9mp3: yes nimbus is nice and clear as a 12pix font, it has to be especialy clear when text scrolls on that slowly refreshing H120 lcd ;) |
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| 22:46:35 | | Join webguest69 [0] (i=47ea5f83@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 22:46:53 | webguest69 | i need help |
| 22:47:43 | petur | who doesn't |
| 22:50:06 | jhMikeS | precisely |
| 22:51:12 | tucoz | webguest69, tell us your problem, and then we might be able to help |
| 22:51:34 | Bagder | or don't and we can guess! ;-P |
| 22:51:51 | bluebrother | hmm, where can I get a new crystal ball? ;-) |
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| 22:51:55 | tucoz | Now, who is the greatest mind reader of us all |
| 22:52:03 | bluebrother | ommm ... |
| 22:52:14 | hcs | that'd be MENTOK, THE MIND TAKER |
| 22:52:17 | bluebrother | doesn't work :) |
| 22:52:53 | tucoz | bluebrother, somethings up with my tex install (or something else). I can not compile the manual anymore. |
| 22:53:02 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 22:53:04 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe there's no problem...he might just wanted to test how willing to help we are! :) |
| 22:54:02 | tucoz | bluebrother, it stops immediatley. ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. l.2 e wcommand{\platform}{h1xx} |
| 22:54:15 | tucoz | I have no idea what to do |
| 22:54:27 | Spida | add a \begin{document}? |
| 22:54:46 | tucoz | there is a \begin{document} |
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| 22:55:10 | Spida | hm. did you try to compile a smaller tex-document? |
| 22:55:39 | bluebrother | hmm. Did you try running latex manually on rockbox-build.tex? |
| 22:55:59 | tucoz | Spida, yes. I just ran tex on the texbook.tex |
| 22:56:01 | tucoz | ;) |
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| 22:56:52 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. same thing |
| 22:57:02 | bluebrother | or the usual cure "make clean" and reconfiguring again? |
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| 22:57:37 | tucoz | I did a complete checkout of the manual module, and deleted everything in my manual build dir |
| 22:57:54 | tucoz | hmm. when i type latex, it says: this is pdftex |
| 22:58:08 | tucoz | this is pdfeTeX |
| 22:58:22 | Spida | hm, pdfetex != latex |
| 22:58:48 | bluebrother | tucoz, this is correct |
| 22:58:52 | tucoz | ok |
| 22:58:57 | bluebrother | at least when I assume you're using tetex 3.0 |
| 22:59:03 | tucoz | I have started to forget what we do |
| 22:59:32 | bluebrother | for tetex 3 this is the default and also produces dvi files. latex is simply a symlink |
| 22:59:35 | tucoz | yes. version 3.141592 |
| 22:59:52 | tucoz | 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) |
| 22:59:55 | tucoz | to be exact |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:28 | bluebrother | hmm. Should be the same as I use. |
| 23:00:36 | tucoz | I recently updated from dapper to edgy (ubuntu). |
| 23:00:46 | * | bluebrother is on Fedora |
| 23:00:55 | tucoz | something probably happened. Wonder what |
| 23:01:30 | bluebrother | strange. |
| 23:01:39 | petur | heh, who uses pi as version number? |
| 23:01:50 | bluebrother | LaTeX :) |
| 23:02:14 | petur | which digit do they increase for the next build? |
| 23:02:18 | bluebrother | This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.4) |
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| 23:02:23 | tucoz | it is quite nice to have pi as version number. It converges. |
| 23:02:24 | bluebrother | also a nice one :) |
| 23:02:35 | tucoz | ..to pi |
| 23:02:39 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 23:04:12 | tucoz | Knuth has several of those gimmicks. Like he gives out $2.56 to people finding errors in his books (1 hexdollar) |
| 23:04:43 | tucoz | somehow |
| 23:04:46 | * | petur hates knuth and his CWEB |
| 23:04:54 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:05:04 | * | bluebrother likes the output of LaTeX |
| 23:05:21 | petur | sure, but not mixed inside my c code |
| 23:05:28 | bluebrother | but his art of computer programming seems to be a really hard read. |
| 23:06:03 | bluebrother | hehe, I once commented code with LaTeX formulae which got rendered for the doxygen docs. Really nice feature. |
| 23:06:50 | bluebrother | different thing: what do you guys think of a theme installer? |
| 23:07:16 | bluebrother | I did one over the weekend. It takes tarred theme files and simply copies the content to right location |
| 23:07:53 | * | bluebrother remembers to diff that ... |
| 23:07:59 | BigMac | tucoz:they released another ubuntu version? |
| 23:08:11 | BigMac | or do you mean you went from edgy to dapper |
| 23:08:21 | tucoz | no the other way around |
| 23:08:27 | tucoz | dapper->edgy(beta) |
| 23:08:51 | bluebrother | hmm, isn't cvs diff -uN supposed to catch new files? |
| 23:09:01 | Dma-Sc | bye |
| 23:09:06 | tucoz | works quite nice. But this error i am getting with latex is very annoying |
| 23:09:14 | Bagder | bluebrother: if you've cvs-added them, yes |
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| 23:09:30 | bluebrother | ah, which I haven't done. |
| 23:10:28 | BigMac | yay |
| 23:10:35 | * | BigMac <3s ubuntu |
| 23:10:42 | BigMac | better check it out |
| 23:11:22 | tucoz | it's fun to use a system that gets 50 updates each day :) |
| 23:13:46 | bawb2 | heh i heart gentoo |
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| 23:15:53 | LinusN | jhMikeS: hey, fm recording works |
| 23:16:09 | petur | woot |
| 23:16:09 | LinusN | it's only mic input that is borked |
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| 23:17:11 | jhMikeS | LinusN: what? |
| 23:17:25 | * | jhMikeS moves the computer from the padded room |
| 23:17:43 | jhMikeS | I wonder why...I didn't change the setup |
| 23:17:56 | LinusN | odd indeed |
| 23:18:01 | jhMikeS | What about line in? |
| 23:18:12 | jhMikeS | Well of course that muxed, duh |
| 23:18:16 | LinusN | well, if fm works, why wouldn't line in? |
| 23:18:21 | Davide-NYC | and spdif/optical.. |
| 23:18:30 | * | Davide-NYC ducks |
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| 23:19:29 | jhMikeS | I wonder if it will work using follow IIS2 instead of setting up the frequency explicitly |
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| 23:19:48 | LinusN | would be interesting to test |
| 23:20:11 | LinusN | hmmm, i don't think it would work |
| 23:20:19 | jhMikeS | change that one line |
| 23:20:24 | jhMikeS | why not? |
| 23:21:42 | jhMikeS | it's not following itself |
| 23:22:10 | jhMikeS | bork bork bork de micufooooon |
| 23:23:38 | Davide-NYC | swedish chef? |
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| 23:24:33 | jhMikeS | yup |
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| 23:29:20 | bluebrother | I get an interesting error |
| 23:29:26 | tucoz | bluebrother, w00t |
| 23:29:29 | bluebrother | "Filetype string buffer empty" |
| 23:29:30 | tucoz | i found out |
| 23:29:43 | bluebrother | when adding a new entry to viewers.config. |
| 23:29:50 | tucoz | I had sh->dash, but if i changed that to bash, it works |
| 23:30:12 | bluebrother | so this message is a bit misleading as there is in fact something full ... |
| 23:30:16 | bluebrother | tucoz, dash? |
| 23:30:26 | Lear | I get that too, when running the simulator... |
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| 23:30:44 | Davide-NYC | I've had it on target but a reset clears it |
| 23:30:58 | Davide-NYC | s/reset/clear settings |
| 23:31:11 | tucoz | bluebrother, don't know why it is set to that. |
| 23:32:08 | bluebrother | Lear, have you added viewers? |
| 23:32:23 | Lear | Nope. |
| 23:32:47 | bluebrother | increasing #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE 512 helped for me |
| 23:33:03 | bluebrother | ehm, in apps/filetypes.c |
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| 23:35:30 | LinusN | jhMikeS: when i selected Line In as the source, the mic started working |
| 23:36:04 | LinusN | but i have to do it from the recording screen |
| 23:36:55 | Lear | bluebrother: With 24 entries in viewers.config, that might be needed (not really sure how much space each line uses). |
| 23:37:19 | LinusN | jhMikeS: in fact, no matter which source i choose, the mic gets activated |
| 23:37:42 | LinusN | i.e i can't select the source from within the rec screen |
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| 23:39:51 | Davide-NYC | does jhMikeS patch allow for input change in the rec screen? Or do you mean rec menu screen |
| 23:40:06 | * | Davide-NYC gonna shut up now |
| 23:40:17 | LinusN | Davide-NYC: you enter the menu from withing the rec screen |
| 23:40:31 | Davide-NYC | what target? |
| 23:40:37 | jhMikeS | hmmm... |
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| 23:41:01 | petur | iriver |
| 23:41:04 | jhMikeS | x5 has no probs like that |
| 23:42:08 | Davide-NYC | petur: help me out here... does the patch allow for input settings without going to the rec menu? |
| 23:42:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Howd the radio start then? Or was it from the FM recording screen |
| 23:42:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You don't need relocatable code for transcoding. Codec swap could also solve the problem of 2 codecs running |
| 23:43:08 | petur | Davide-NYC: no |
| 23:43:09 | amiconn | However, I don't see the point in having a transcoder plugins |
| 23:43:33 | amiconn | Why waste battery on a thing that can be done way faster and without using battery on a PC? |
| 23:43:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Was thinking about the piping of data from one directly to the other with little delay but I know what you mean. |
| 23:43:41 | LinusN | jhMikeS: really odd |
| 23:44:00 | amiconn | Just record to wav (or wavpack) and encode to ogg vorbis or whatever you like at home |
| 23:44:01 | jhMikeS | I might have messed up the rec_set_source function for all I know |
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| 23:44:40 | jhMikeS | I wonder if it only has that behavior if you have SPDIF |
| 23:45:41 | LinusN | possibly |
| 23:46:01 | amiconn | bluebrother: Do you know about the fm regios bug? |
| 23:46:03 | bluebrother | theme installer at FS #6156 −− comments? |
| 23:46:10 | bluebrother | amiconn, no. |
| 23:46:22 | amiconn | FM radio doesn't store the station anymore |
| 23:46:31 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I have an H3x0 I could test on in a few minutes. |
| 23:46:36 | bluebrother | was offline this weekend. |
| 23:46:38 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 23:46:43 | amiconn | Instead, it jumps to somewhere within the band |
| 23:47:01 | amiconn | Not start, not end, but somewhere in the middle |
| 23:47:14 | amiconn | I only tested with Region == Europe |
| 23:47:24 | bluebrother | that's not nice. |
| 23:47:40 | amiconn | That happens on at least 2 targets: Ondio FM and X5 |
| 23:47:53 | bluebrother | maybe this is caused by the don't-allow-wrong-values. |
| 23:47:57 | amiconn | Didn't try my other 2 |
| 23:47:59 | bluebrother | I'll look into it. |
| 23:48:26 | amiconn | How is the value stored? |
| 23:48:33 | amiconn | Maybe it's a resolution problem? |
| 23:48:59 | bluebrother | strange, can't reproduce it on my h120 |
| 23:49:18 | amiconn | You allow 50kHz steps for europe (which, btw, is unnecessary for over-the-air reception) |
| 23:49:32 | amiconn | 50kHz steps are only used for cable (afaik) |
| 23:49:46 | * | amiconn tries on H140 |
| 23:50:00 | * | petur likes the small steps |
| 23:50:19 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: would be nice...thanks |
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| 23:50:44 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: version2.2 of the big audio patch? or is there something newer? |
| 23:50:48 | jhMikeS | 2.2 |
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| 23:50:51 | Davide-NYC | k |
| 23:50:53 | jhMikeS | last one |
| 23:51:12 | amiconn | petur: Why? Does your iriver have a socket to connect it to fm/tv cable? |
| 23:51:15 | bluebrother | amiconn, 50kHz are still used e.g. in italy |
| 23:51:40 | amiconn | really? |
| 23:53:18 | bluebrother | according to wikipedia (and a forum post) yes. |
| 23:53:26 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:54:29 | bluebrother | the region value itself is an int. |
| 23:54:32 | jhMikeS | I saw my radio jump to like 148MHz today |
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| 23:57:01 | * | Davide-NYC again wished the H1x0 had an RTC |
| 23:57:03 | * | bluebrother spots something |
| 23:57:06 | amiconn | bluebrother: Oh, another problem is that I can't load a preset list anymore |
| 23:57:16 | amiconn | Observed on X5 and H140 |
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| 23:58:19 | Kitt0s | hey |
| 23:58:29 | Kitt0s | can rockbox start in a certin directory? |
| 23:58:37 | Kitt0s | i hate all the other folders shown on the root folder |
| 23:58:48 | amiconn | bluebrother: I can perfectly reproduce the bug on H140 as well |
| 23:58:51 | Kitt0s | i just want like a folder that will contain all music\photos etc. |
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