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#rockbox log for 2006-10-09

00:00:08pepie34the disk/ram things
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00:00:59amiconnpepie34: Guess what apps/plugins/lib/ is for. Also, most codecs use an appropriate library (mpa.codec uses libmad etc), statically linked
00:01:40pepie34but i really do not understand the cost of having library that is dynamicaly linked (but not shared)
00:02:13amiconnThe cost is code complexity (and hence code size increase) in the core, where we don't want it
00:02:15Bagderit would mean dynamic memory
00:02:27pepie34bagder why?
00:02:29*amiconn was about to say that
00:02:36Bagderif you have N different libs
00:02:39Bagdereach would be loaded
00:02:48amiconnpepie34: Ahem, you need memory to load the library into?
00:03:01Bagderwell, perhaps you can get away with a simple approach for plugins only
00:03:07pepie34yes but you need memory to load the plugin too
00:03:31amiconnYes, and that is fixed size, fixed position -> very simple to check whether the plugin fits or not
00:03:35Bagderpepie34: still, your use case doesn't convince us ;-)
00:03:50pepie34you know exactly the size of the memory you need when loading the plugin
00:04:04pepie34(and its dependent library)
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00:05:33amiconnMore disk activity on load, more calculations, more code. All disadvantages
00:05:49amiconnI don't see any advantage
00:05:53pepie34may be that evolution
00:05:59amiconnany _real_ advantage, that is
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00:06:12KalthareIs there a known problem with text display?
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00:07:14pepie34ok i will not try to convinced you further
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00:07:39pepie34may in few months...
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00:07:44Bagderyou'll need to tell us compelling arguments why it is so good
00:08:13Bagderwe rather waste some extra 100K of disk space than make the code complicated and bigger
00:09:13PaulJamKalthare: what do you mean?
00:09:20pepie34the pseudo-os used on ti92/89... is very thin and have relocation
00:09:42KalthareMost of the WPSes I've tried are putting text in the wrong places.
00:09:44Bagderpepie34: that's not a compelling argument
00:09:44JdGordonmorning guys, can I commit ? i thin its the best way to do it without adding bulk to the bin, and keep speed down
00:09:56amiconnpepie34: How much mass storage capacity do those devices have?
00:10:10PaulJamKalthare: have you downloaded the fonts package?
00:10:23amiconnThat might be a strong factor; all rockboxable devices have _at least_ 128MB
00:10:50amiconnWasting a few 100K on disk doesn't matter nearly as much as wasting a few K in RAM
00:11:02KaltharePaulJam: Nngh. Right, I forgot. Thanks.
00:11:09pepie34amicon less than 1mb flash and maybe 2mb ram
00:11:33amiconn[00:07:39] <pepie34> may in few months... <== Rockbox will soon have its 5th anniversary
00:11:44pepie34at leats for the first ti92 generation
00:12:12amiconnYeah, with only 1MB flash saving mass storage makes sense. It's a completely different situation
00:13:28pepie34and talking about complexity, the way the plugin api is exposed to the plugin (the pointer to the plugin_struct...) is very complicated and ugly
00:13:37pepie34(the word is said)
00:13:51Bagderits not complicated, but it could possibly be called uglt
00:14:15MoosJdGordon: this patch seems to be a great feature
00:14:39JdGordonBagder: amiconn: ^ ?
00:14:56JdGordonMoos: thats the 4th incarnation :p
00:14:57PaulJamJdGordon: will the folder list be editable that you can remove folders that you don't want to be included in the shuffle?
00:15:22MoosJdGordon: hehe, let's hope this is the final one :)
00:15:31JdGordonPaulJam: yes, the gennerator needs a bit of work, and the main thing that will be added is that
00:15:46JdGordonit cant be a plain text file tho because its way too slow
00:15:49amiconnJdGordon: Haha, 'morning' is funny, although technically correct.
00:15:59amiconnIt's just 15 minutes after midnight here
00:16:22Mooshere the same 00:15 :)
00:16:31peturJdGordon:does it only shuffle it once (at creation)?
00:16:33pepie34me too
00:17:01JdGordonpetur: it never shuffles it, at the end of the playlist it just chooses one randomly untill it chooses one with music in it
00:17:12JdGordonit takes about 1s to change "cds" with this
00:17:32Moosthat seems to be cool
00:17:41JdGordon.. and if the list is not there then it falls back to just the next flder like curently
00:17:49Moosuser point of view that is ;)
00:18:04*petur looks at the time and thinks about sleeping
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00:18:14mirakpepie34: well maybe you could help for ffmpeg ...
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00:18:59mirakpepie34: I am doing mpeg2 plugin from ffmpeg. but the differents mpeg formats share to much code
00:19:35mirakpepie34: maybe you can suggest ffmpeg team how to improve that :D
00:19:40PaulJamJdGordon: can't you instead use the database from dircache (if it is enabled) to pick a directory? i don't really like the idea to run the plugin everytime i add or remove music.
00:19:44pepie34you mean in a ffmpeg codec port for rockbox
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00:21:04MoosJdGordon: planed to commit the patch?
00:21:12pepie34mirak I'm currently looking how relocation work on homebrew kernel for TI (for example the universal OS is a about 15kB compiled binary)
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00:21:34pepie34it uses coff format
00:22:09JdGordonPaulJam: i tried, it just over complicates it, and the dircache structure isnt perfect, bassically because there is no way to know how many directories are there
00:22:20JdGordonMoos: just waiting for the OK for the core devs
00:22:48Moosif anyone complained that is a good thing :)
00:22:51mirakpepie34: yes, currently we ported libmpeg2, it wasn't hard because it's a stands by itself, but in ffmpeg various mpeg codecs, like h264, wmv mpeg2, share a lot of functions, since most of the mpeg process is similar for all codecs.
00:23:01linuxstb_JdGordon: Couldn't you extend dircache to keep a count of the number of directories?
00:23:07*Moos thought to amicon :)
00:23:25mirakpepie34: I only have a ti-82 :)
00:23:47JdGordonlinuxstb_: probably, but doing that means that if you dont use dircache, you cant use this, and it would add more code
00:23:58pepie34maybe you can have your own loader along with your codec
00:24:36pepie34but it means that you need to have the possibility to allocate the memory need for the code and the data of your libs
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00:28:16linuxstb_JdGordon: I just think that if dircache is available, it should be used - it would be perfect for this kind of feature. But I agree that it would basically mean implementing the same feature twice, which isn't good...
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00:32:01pepie34mirak the only thing i must say for tonight is to look at this old things:
00:32:20pepie34in the source diredtory there is a relocation.c file
00:32:29pepie34comments are in french sorry
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00:33:50pepie34sorry also the Doc/progFormats.txt
00:34:21mirakpepie34: I am not the good interlocutor, that's a bit to complex for me
00:34:36pepie34which described the binary format that is used (based on coff if i remeber)
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00:37:07pepie34ok good night so
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00:58:24Moosgood night or day at all !
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01:07:27maedhrosduring the installation to my ipod mini, i kinda screwed up. it works, but i don't have the original firmware. any ideas on how to reinstall this firmware?
01:09:37maedhrosi do still have the apple_os.bin backup of it
01:10:42Paul_the_NerdThen redo the step that creates rockboot.bin and write the new rockboot.bin over.
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01:38:38scorcheMarcoPolo: after you get that set up, please disable it for this channel ;)
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02:02:09Paul_the_Nerdscorche: Some patch discussion is relevant for the forums, I think. I posted a clarification after your post that summarize my view of the issue at least.
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02:10:55scorchePaul_the_Nerd: good call
02:11:38wafflesomdtoo much talking
02:11:51Paul_the_NerdNobody around for me to call stupid. ;)
02:12:15scorchePaul_the_Nerd: apple os is better
02:12:45scorcheugh...that was such a poor attempt at trolling =(
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03:01:51NickDedo people really come here to troll about Rockbox?
03:02:09scorchesome do, yes
03:02:12NickDeor.. I mean about Apple IPod OS being better..and why would anyone want to make a thirdparty firmware?
03:02:24NickDeI just installed Rockbox on my x5 and its fucking outrageously great
03:02:33NickDejust default install
03:02:34NickDeno themes
03:02:35NickDeI love it
03:02:43NickDeminimal, gapless etc..
03:03:02Quazgaai like my x5 as well
03:03:03NickDeI mean the x5 firmware/ui was fine and all. but this is just spot on.. I love it..
03:03:18NickDeyeah man..
03:03:34NickDeI had an iRiver H3xx then sold it for the x5..had the x5 for about a year or so now..
03:04:05NickDewhats there to troll about? ha ha ha.. because your fiddling with the perfection that is Apple's IPod design?
03:05:34Paul_the_NerdBasically, yes.
03:06:00Paul_the_NerdWe're not "intuitive" because apparently having the button labelled "Menu" go to the menus, instead of using it as a "Back" button (which is what the AppleOS does) is confusing.
03:06:09scorcheheh...i remember when the apple forums got wind of us once...that was an entertaining thread
03:06:18NickDeha ha ha
03:06:22NickDewhats is there problem..
03:06:29NickDethey dont HAVE to use it
03:06:36NickDewere they just upset that it even existed
03:06:49NickDethat it challenged and criticized the Apple IPod firmware?
03:06:59scorche"Rockbox claims to have gapless...winamp doesnt even have gapless!!"
03:07:02scorcheor some such
03:07:06NickDeHA HA HA
03:07:17NickDethat Rio had gapless and flac
03:07:23NickDeI forget the name for the life of me
03:07:37NickDenot carbon
03:08:12NickDein anycase.. kool aide swallowing apple fan boys are like that
03:08:25NickDeyou should have seen them and their uproar about the Blackhat wireless vulnerability..
03:08:34scorchei did
03:08:42NickDethey called the researchers a liars and the whole thing a could there be a flaw in an apple product
03:08:51NickDemy god
03:09:03NickDeI know the researchers personally.. and those apple users are fucking nuts
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03:09:53scorcheas do i ;) ...blackhat/defcon are some of the most fun weekends of my year
03:11:11NickDeit was the rio karma...
03:11:14NickDethat had gapless and flac
03:11:17NickDelike 3 years ago?
03:11:18NickDemore maybe?
03:11:20NickDein anycase..
03:11:22NickDegood stuff
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03:22:50XavierGrNickDe: what changed your choice and you sold your H300 for an X5?
03:23:09NickDeX5 could do FLAC
03:23:11XavierGryeah but now?
03:23:19NickDeI sold it about a year a go
03:23:20NickDeor more
03:23:26XavierGroh bad luck I supporse
03:23:34NickDeNah I like my x5 a lot better than my iriver
03:23:40XavierGrwhy is that?
03:23:50XavierGrwhat do you think is better?
03:24:04XavierGrI mean what features?
03:24:05NickDewell .. flac, video, etc.. the whole look and feed...
03:24:10NickDethey both had great sound quality
03:24:18NickDex5 could do video out of box
03:24:20NickDeyeah I know
03:24:25NickDethe h3xx could with the kor firmware
03:24:28Genre9mp3*iriver defense mode enabled* :P
03:24:35NickDeI didnt like where the company was going
03:24:41XavierGrme too
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03:24:44NickDeI liked the fact x5 had advertised LINUX support on the webpage
03:24:47NickDethat was neat of them
03:24:52NickDeand they advertised FLAC support
03:25:01NickDeI liked the philosophy of Cowon more than iRiver
03:25:05NickDeI dont like the h10's
03:25:11XavierGryeah they suck big time
03:25:14NickDeand Cowon doesnt seem to abandon their products
03:25:19XavierGrbut H100 and H300 are quite good
03:25:20NickDethe x5 is still going strong at Cowon..
03:25:26XavierGrthe best in my opinion
03:25:32NickDeoh the H100 was the most badass player in my opinion
03:25:34NickDewith fucking OPTICAl out
03:25:51NickDethe iRiver Hxx had optical in;out
03:25:55NickDeI thought...
03:25:56NickDeit did
03:25:59NickDethats badass
03:26:00XavierGrthey have
03:26:06NickDewhy not
03:26:11NickDethats fucking hilarious
03:26:14XavierGrit can come handy sometimes
03:26:14NickDeon a DAP
03:26:22XavierGrespecially a recording one
03:26:23NickDeyeah I am saying its a good thing
03:26:27NickDeits impressive
03:26:29NickDeyou dont see that anymore
03:26:40XavierGrso why you say dumbass?
03:26:46NickDeI said badass
03:26:48NickDeas in
03:26:51XavierGrah yes
03:26:53scorchetone down the language please...this isnt part of IRC (or so we like to think) ;)
03:26:53NickDethats awesome
03:26:54godzirraNickDe: I really loved my H120
03:27:16XavierGrNickDe: your tone was like, optical out/in is rubbish
03:27:18godzirraAlthough to be honest, I never used it for more than playing mp3's.
03:27:19NickDeha ha sorry.. I am all pumped about my Rockbox X%
03:27:46XavierGrwell okay, all daps are good if they are rockbox compatible
03:27:58XavierGrburn the others (or port them) ;)
03:28:07Genre9mp3XavierGr: and iPods? :P
03:28:19NickDebut yeah to sum it all up.. I didnt like where iRiver was going with players.. the clix thing is stupid.. h10's suck in my opinion..the H3xx was the last good player they made.. Cowon has better designs and stuff still coming out.. and they have good philosophies when it comes to Linux / FLAC support...
03:28:21XavierGrI hate to say this but yes
03:28:35Genre9mp3Hehe...that's quite a statement!
03:28:48XavierGrNickDe: I aggree on the above
03:29:09XavierGrstill I would never sold my h300 for an x5 (but in your case flac was very important)
03:29:33NickDeit was
03:29:34Genre9mp3NickDe: Though Cowon's philosophy is what iriver used to have
03:29:39NickDeand back when I did it Rockbox wasnt viable
03:29:49NickDeyes it is..and I like it..
03:29:55NickDethats why I was an iRiver guy before..
03:30:09XavierGryeah I can't say I am an iriver guy anymore
03:30:23XavierGrtheir daps are sucky and a disgrace
03:30:29NickDethe H1xx was so nice .. looks, nice remote with LCD screen..just great stuff all around.
03:30:30Genre9mp3Only thing that bothers me in the X5 is the use of subpack
03:30:33XavierGrtheir turned to an Apple wannna be
03:30:39NickDesubpack is weird
03:30:42NickDebut .. I dont use it too much
03:30:46NickDeit stays at home for charging/transfer
03:30:53XavierGrah so you have an H100?
03:31:06NickDenooo.. I wanted one..but they discontinued it and had to get an H3xx
03:31:13NickDebut I knew all about it
03:31:23NickDeI did get the LCD remote for the H3xx and rocked that for a while at school
03:31:26NickDepeople were impressed
03:31:27XavierGrI am a lucky one and have 2 of them :)
03:31:38NickDeI know Cowon has an LCD remote for my x5
03:32:06godzirraI've got a 5.5g :/
03:32:11godzirraI cant get rockbxo on it yet :(
03:32:16godzirraNickDe: I really wanted an h3x :p
03:32:22XavierGrgodzirra: you will soon
03:32:27XavierGror so I think
03:32:33godzirraXavierGr: I hope so... I miss my rockbox. ;p hehe
03:32:40Genre9mp3godzirra: Someone in the channel today said that he managed to run Rockbox on a 5.5g
03:32:50scorchei missed that
03:32:50XavierGrwhat was your previous dap godzirra?
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03:33:09scorcheGenre9mp3: who?
03:34:00Genre9mp3scorche: Kalthare
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03:35:11skruwilusanyone here using mencoder to convert movies to their iaudio?
03:35:19skruwilusi was wondering about how to convert them
03:35:30godzirraXavierGr: H-120
03:35:31skruwilusi have tired a few times but i end up with really choppy and crappy quality
03:35:34skruwiluswithout sound
03:35:35godzirraOoh, kalthare managed it??
03:35:45godzirracrud.. he didnt post anything about it, that I can see :/
03:35:58skruwilusanyone using their player for movies?
03:36:00Genre9mp3godzirra: Check the logs
03:36:37godzirraskruwilus: I don't really see the point :)
03:36:46godzirraGenre9mp3: I dont have anything that logs.
03:36:56skruwilusgodzirra: naw, like southpark epidodes or whatnot
03:37:00skruwilusi just wanna try it out
03:37:00scorchegodzirra: the site has logs
03:37:09godzirraskruwilus: I thought about tossing deadwood on there.
03:37:11godzirrafrom my tivo
03:37:33skruwiluswell i cannot get it working :(
03:38:28scorchehe got it running, but the issue hasnt been solved yet
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03:39:10godzirrayeah, it seems like it doesnt work with his solution
03:39:13godzirradamn... got my hopes up :)
03:39:18Genre9mp3yes... it seems that Windows can't recognize it
03:39:22scorcheit works
03:39:31scorchebut not available for gteneral use
03:39:38godzirrascorche: he said it doesnt work.
03:39:48godzirraI thought
03:39:53godzirraor maybe I misunderstood
03:39:53scorcheread again
03:40:13godzirraoh, it works but you have to use mtools to t ransfer anything?
03:40:24Genre9mp3godzirra: yes
03:40:28godzirrawindows and linux can't see the partition
03:40:28godzirragot it
03:40:29scorchedont worry about it yet ;)
03:40:31godzirraoh well.
03:40:36godzirraYeah, I know ;)
03:40:42godzirraI'm just over reager.
03:43:04godzirrayeah yeah.. I know ;)
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03:59:43skruwilusi got the movie working
03:59:46skruwilusbut there is no audio support
03:59:55Paul_the_NerdPlease try to avoid that sort of language in here.
04:00:14Paul_the_NerdAnd the official page on our mpegplayer plugin states that audio isn't supported yet. :-P
04:01:54skruwilusi saw that
04:01:58skruwilusand i think its sad
04:02:05scorchethen fix it
04:02:07skruwiluswhats the point without sound
04:02:22skruwilusi hope they fix it soon
04:02:31*scorche sighs and gives up
04:02:36skruwilusscorche: i wish i could help out, but i just dont have the time
04:02:50skruwilusscorche: but i agree with your point, i should not bitch about it
04:02:55Paul_the_Nerdskruwilus: Well, many of the people working on it don't have much time, and a lot of us don't particularly care about video
04:03:05Paul_the_NerdSo, it's not likely to improve until someone who does care about it finds the time
04:03:13skruwilusi get that
04:03:14midkayscorche: giving up after so much effort? that "then fix it" statement really must have taken a lot of effort.
04:03:42scorchemidkay: not really..i just put forth a minimal effort, then saw that it wasnt worth it
04:03:52Paul_the_NerdThe person who did a lot of the initial effort for Mpeg Playback is waiting for dual core support to end up working so that Audio can be added on iPod without a performance hit
04:05:16Paul_the_NerdUnfortunatley the WIP dual core support in the tracker doesn't seem to work on 5G iPods.
04:07:27skruwilusso, how does it look then? is anyone working on audio support atm?
04:08:32Paul_the_NerdI don't believe anyone's working on audio support at all for the moment
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04:10:02*Paul_the_Nerd could be wrong
04:14:07k0rnzdoes the rockbox installer 1.0 work on 1st Gen Nanos with 1.2 firmware?
04:15:02k0rnznever mind
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04:18:59*Paul_the_Nerd wishes they wouldn't call it "The Rockbox Installer" without including some hint in the name it's unofficial.
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04:22:47sneakumsKalthare: that sounds like i could just hack the usb-storage driver to report 512-byte sectors and then proceed as for the 5G
04:24:32sneakumsKalthare: although i think i'm missing something
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04:28:37Paul_the_NerdSomeone posted a suggestion that we use an installer, that as far as I can tell, will only let Rockbox be easily installed on someone using a Windows formatted iPod on a Mac computer, and since it doesn't reformat for you, it would theoretically lead to more confusion when someone thinks it works and Rockbox won't run.
04:28:41Paul_the_Nerd </rant>
04:29:55k0rnzhow do I get to the file browser to choose mp3s?
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04:30:05k0rnzI cant find it in any of my menus on a 1.2 ANano
04:30:19Paul_the_NerdWhat do you mean?
04:30:28k0rnzi mean just that
04:30:31Paul_the_NerdThe very first screen you see in Rockbox, unless resume is enabled, is your Filetree or TagCace.
04:32:58k0rnznever mind i found it thanks
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04:33:35sneakumsthat was all very "..."
04:33:46Paul_the_NerdThat's about par for support requests.
04:34:34sneakumsi guess the "help!" reflex is sharper than the thinking reflex in a lot of people
04:35:12Paul_the_NerdOr the reading the manual reflex, which seems to have been trained out of existence.
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04:36:57scorchePaul_the_Nerd: maybe we should write a paper on it
04:37:11scorchei dont mind calling it the Louden phenomenon
04:37:53scorchewell, not phenomenon, but a word that somehow excapes me atm
04:39:48NickDedoes anyone know if the new IPOD features gapless playback?
04:40:09Paul_the_NerdNickDe: We don't really concern ourselves with features of the retail firmware in here.
04:40:21Paul_the_NerdApple makes a claim to it, but I think it's only under very limited circumstances.
04:40:34sneakumsi think you have to mark the album as gapless in iChews
04:40:54NickDeahhh ok
04:41:04NickDeha ha ha thanks
04:41:08NickDewas talking to a friend on the outside
04:41:13NickDewanted to "burst" his bubble
04:42:43Paul_the_NerdArgh. New favorite enemy: People who expect me to somehow read their minds.
04:42:58scorchethat is new?
04:43:09Paul_the_NerdNothing at all.
04:43:24Paul_the_NerdJust finally reached my saturation point on that issue.
04:43:58Paul_the_NerdIt's now the top of my list, at least until BK comes back and tries to explain to me again how "Slow screen updates" is an irrelevant problem during a "Codec Efficiency Test" based solely on boost ratio.
04:44:40*Paul_the_Nerd has just had a bad real world week, and is perhaps jumping on people too easily this week.
04:45:28*scorche found that thread entertaining
04:46:43Paul_the_NerdI'm not a fan of ruling out any variable as "irrelevant" in any form of testing.
04:47:49Paul_the_NerdI was thoroughly trained on the idea of "You cannot dismiss anything unless you can prove that it has not affected your testing, and then you can only dismiss it on the tests that this has been proved for"
04:49:51*Paul_the_Nerd wishes someone would respond to so he could know if he could close it.
04:52:13*midkay doesn't see any questions to respond to :)
04:52:31Paul_the_NerdHe never answered the first one.
04:53:46midkayhe acknowledged it with a question about how to reset, which you answered.. so he should be reset by now and without any questions to answer, right? :)
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04:54:15Paul_the_Nerdmidkay: i don't consider his question an answer to my first, but maybe.
04:54:17Ersanis there a program that keeps the ipod firmware xml and rockbox tagcache synced?
04:54:37midkayyou asked if he reset, and he asked how to reset.
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04:55:24Paul_the_NerdI got an implied "no" to the first one, but no actual answer. At least in my mind, and implied answer means nothing since it's not final. :)
04:55:30Paul_the_NerdI'll ask if he still has the problem, then
04:56:03midkay*shrugs* just kidding around about the way you worded it :)
04:56:17Paul_the_NerdErsan: If you use iTunes to update the iPod, and then have TagCache rebuild your database, they will be in sync, as long as the tags on your files are fine.
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04:57:05Ersani like the dir structure of rockbox and the interface of ipod fw
04:57:24Paul_the_NerdErsan: You mean "Use the iPod firmware with an arbitrary directory structure"?
04:57:42Ersanyou know it
04:58:02Paul_the_NerdThen you're in the wrong place to be asking.
04:58:08Paul_the_NerdSeeing as we really have nothing to do with the retail firmware.
04:58:25Ersanthis i know
04:58:27Ersandoes rockbox
04:58:39Ersanadd tagcache entries when a file is sent to the harddrive?
04:58:58Ersanor does it scan again when you reboot it
04:59:37Paul_the_NerdTagCache can be set to automatically update, but you have to reboot the player between connecting and playing songs anyway.
05:00:36Ersanthat totally didn't answer the question
05:00:41Ersani guess it scans on boot?
05:00:52Paul_the_NerdWhy does it matter when it scans, at all?
05:01:11Paul_the_NerdRockbox isn't running while you transfer files, so the earliest possible time it can scan is during boot anyway.
05:01:30Ersanbecause i intend to write a patch that synchronizes and i'd like to know where to look?
05:03:18*Paul_the_Nerd recommends tagcache.c and tagcache.h
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05:03:45Paul_the_NerdAs I imagine the functions doing the work are a little more useful than when they're called.
05:04:27Ersanso it seems
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05:12:05Ersanso it runs build_tagcache?
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05:37:22Burnhi everyone
05:38:13Burnim having a problem, when i play a movie on my ipod in rockbox theres no sound and the pictures a little screwed, anyone know how to fix it?
05:38:52Burnwats rvf?
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06:12:15Burnhey im having trouble with my rockbox, when i play a movie the picture is a little screwed and theres no sound, could anyone help me with my problem?
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06:14:00scorcheBurn: we heard you the first time...
06:14:50scorcheand perhaps why no one answered you, is because you havent searched and tried to find the answer yourself
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06:15:03scorche(look at the wiki)
06:15:49Burncould you tell me where abouts in wiki?
06:16:11scorchethe search function =)
06:16:20scorcheor perhaps the plugin index
06:16:31scorchethere are a lot of ways to find out..
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06:25:41Burndoes anyone use the mpegplayer on rockbox?
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06:27:38RogerBaconhi all
06:27:56scorcheBurn: i am sure that you are not the only one...
06:28:08*Paul_the_Nerd does a victory dance.
06:28:23Paul_the_NerdI finally convinced that guy an N64 emulator would not be feasible in Rockbox.
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06:28:45Paul_the_NerdI had assumed explaining that gameplay speed would be measured in "Minutes per Frame" rather than "Frames per second" would be enough.
06:29:00scorchebut it would be good practice!
06:29:04Paul_the_NerdYou cannot emulate a 64-bit RISC CPU that runs at 96mhz on a dinky little iPod.
06:29:18scorchebut it is dual-core@
06:29:32RogerBaconanybody here port rockbox on gigabeat-s ?
06:29:38Paul_the_NerdHe also couldn't understand why there wasn't some way to just "put" the emulator on there.
06:30:09scorchebut you can!...just download an emulator from the internet and rename the executable to .rock
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06:31:18Paul_the_NerdThat's kinda what he wanted to do.
06:31:27Paul_the_Nerd"Which file would I have to put in the viewers folder?" was asked more than once.
06:33:42scorchei loved the "that is the easy way" topic as well
06:34:03Paul_the_NerdI *love* saying "That is the easy way."
06:34:45Paul_the_NerdIt's just always so ridiculous to me when someone says "Surely there must be an easier way" or anything similar to that. As if I just tell them the hard way for fun.
06:35:41scorcheJdGordon: there?
06:36:32scorchePaul_the_Nerd: i dont see how you and febs can stand to browse misticriver...i browsed there a couple days ago and i got a headache...
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06:38:01Paul_the_NerdI can't stand it for long
06:38:20Paul_the_NerdBut I've found a checking up on it now and then provides a little preventative measure that helps prevent greater headaches later on.
06:38:57Paul_the_NerdIt's not easy though
06:38:59Paul_the_Nerd'tis a scary place
06:39:57scorcheaye...afterwards, i came back to and kissed and hugged the guidelines sticky
06:40:16Paul_the_NerdI updated it slightly recently
06:40:51Paul_the_NerdI added a few "Conventions" at the end regarding 1g/2g/3g vs 1gb/2gb/3gb and the use of "WPS" vs "Now playing screen" or "The music screen" and such
06:41:23scorchenice...i was going to ask if you wanted to add that actually..
06:41:59scorche"us 1gb, 2gb, etc. (or 1Gb 2Gb) or type out full words"
06:42:04*scorche coughs
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06:42:58Paul_the_NerdOther than the "us"
06:43:04scorchethat is all
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06:52:29sneakumsoh hey, there's a vfat blockize option
06:52:55sneakums(linux vfat filesystem mount option)
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06:56:01sneakumsmaybe i won't need to hack usb-storage at all
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07:09:51Ersandoes anyone happen to have a backup of their nano firmware <1.2
07:09:55Ersanthat they can send me
07:10:08godzirraErsan: I don't think you can downgrade from 1.2 :/
07:10:14godzirraAt least you can't on the 5g's...
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07:10:46Ersannah not downgrade
07:10:50Ersani can't find my backup
07:11:03Ersanand it's acting squirrely with itunes
07:11:17Ersanas soon as itunes recognizes it it disconnects
07:11:38Ersanso i can't run the restore
07:11:50scorcheErsan: was it apple_os.bin that you wanted?
07:11:54Ersani have that
07:14:46Ersanor maybe figure out why it keeps disconnecting
07:14:54scorchewhat is it doing?
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07:17:11Ersani plug it in
07:17:13Ersanitunes opens
07:17:21Ersanit mounts the drive
07:17:35Ersanthen as soon as itunes recognizes it it unmounts
07:18:11scorchehave you tried changing the option that auto-loads itunes?
07:18:31scorche(i have never touched itunes, so dont ask me where...)
07:19:34Ersanyeah it stays but now i can't run restore
07:20:10scorcheit is coming up with a drive letter correct?
07:20:44scorcheand as soon as you open itunes it disconnects?
07:21:03Ersanit unmountes yes
07:21:08Ersanif i try to run 'restore'
07:21:27Ersanit will act as if it's working for awhile and then say 'unknown error occured'
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07:21:38Ersani'm just assuming that it doesn't like the rockbox bootloader
07:22:00scorcherestore should work regardless
07:22:08Ersanit seems not
07:22:27Ersan'Restoring ~iPod~...
07:23:14Ersan'The iPod ~iPod~ could not be restored. An unknown error occured (1418).
07:24:06Ersannow that i've googled it...
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07:24:54scorchehave you tried uninstalling and reinstalling itunes?
07:26:50Ersani'll give it a shot i guess
07:27:01Ersannot encouraging
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07:30:05scorcheactually, that appears to be a site dedicated to that error on shuffles...
07:31:04Ersanwell i need to restart before I can install GEAR
07:31:06Ersanso brb
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07:32:08hcsI'm working on making some code endian safe, is anyone around with a big endian target who can test?
07:34:50godzirraI've been told I have a big endian, but personally I think I'm just big boned.
07:35:19hcsquiet, you
07:35:48hcs"quiet, you" is meant in jest, btw
07:35:57godzirraI know ;)
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07:36:09hcsah, good
07:36:24godzirrathere's very little I take offense to on irc. :)
07:36:43hcsI somehow manage to accidentally offend people from time to time.
07:36:50godzirraPeople should be thicker skinned.
07:36:55godzirraits irc. I dont know any of you people really ;)
07:37:02godzirraand even I did... who cares. :)
07:37:05hcsI'd hate for anything to ruin our relationship.
07:37:32Ersanmy ipod hates me :(
07:37:38*godzirra comforts ersan
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07:37:59hcsgodzirra: you actually have an ipod anyway, don't you
07:38:13godzirraHow come?
07:38:19godzirraIs an ipod big endian?
07:38:23hcslittle endian, so you are of no use to me
07:38:31godzirraStory of my life, my friend.
07:40:06Ersanwho was it that was sending me their unmodified firmware
07:40:19scorcheno one as of yet...
07:40:30Ersanyeah it doesn't appear to have worked
07:40:52scorchewell, i dont mind sending it to you, but it carries no guarantees or even warranties
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07:41:22Ersanidc, i have a backup of the rockbox firmware if it doesn't work
07:41:33Ersanloader rather
07:41:43scorchei am going to need your email...
07:41:59Ersanhaven't we been over this
07:42:05scorcheno we havent
07:42:22scorcheif it was in Pm, i didnt get it, which means you arent registered with nickserv
07:42:45ErsanPrivate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( )
07:42:46sneakumsis the .bin created by ipod_fw supposed to be much smaller than the boot partition on the ipod?
07:42:47Ersanhadn't read that
07:43:10Ersansomeone's stolen my nick so i can't register
07:43:28sneakumsif it wasn't registered, it's not stealing
07:43:29hcssneakums: yes, quite a bit smaller
07:43:32scorchesneakums: it should be about 5 megs
07:43:42sneakums13 here, for -g 5g
07:43:57scorchethat too
07:44:16scorchei have 5,042KB for nano!
07:44:22Ersanyours is lame
07:44:33scorchemine is just on a diet
07:45:33sneakumshmm, it bounces into emergency disk mode really quickly
07:45:41sneakumsit's not clear from what Kalthare if a vanilla bootloder was used
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07:47:10ErikTheRedum, hoping to get some help here
07:47:20Ersanmight not need
07:47:21Ersanhang on
07:47:30*scorche hides behind a tree
07:47:37ErikTheRedi really managed to mess up my ipod mini i was putting rockbox on
07:47:45ErikTheRedi kinda deleted the partition table
07:47:48Ersani love how bad apple is at writing windows software
07:47:53ErikTheRedbut i have backups of all the relevant stuff
07:48:07ErikTheRedbut i'm having trouble restoring my mbr.bin
07:48:51Ersangod that was stupid
07:48:54*scorche consults his crystal ball to see if he can magically see what problem ErikTheRed is having
07:49:13Ersani had to unplug it in the middle of it trying to restore
07:49:16Ersanthen plug it back in
07:49:19Ersanand it worked
07:49:48ErikTheRednm i just got it to work
07:49:50ErikTheRedthat was dumb
07:49:55ErikTheRedi did the same exact thing as last time
07:49:59ErikTheRedbut it decided to work this time
07:50:10Ersanthat's the definition of apple
07:50:12*scorche cheers as his crystal ball solved 2 issues at once
07:50:15*ErikTheRed shrugs
07:50:38*scorche shrugs at Ersan
07:50:44scorchei do rockbox...not apple ;)
07:51:09Ersani'm afraid i'm through with the rockbox :\
07:51:20ErikTheRedhehe i'm just glad i didn't have to pay for this ipod
07:51:28ErikTheRedhand-me-downs for the win
07:51:33scorche...there are themes
07:51:40Ersanso i've heard
07:51:56sneakumshmm, patched bootloader just goes directly to the emergency disk screen too
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07:52:00Ersanthe themes don't add animation
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07:52:12scorchewhat do you mean?
07:52:30sneakumsyes, Apple's jerky menu animation is quite the feature
07:52:37Ersani mean it looks like i'm navigating a c64 no matter what theme i use
07:53:00sneakumssneakums/floydian-rockbox.png"> <−− i'll probably use a theme like this
07:53:31godzirrathats funny.
07:53:33scorche...a C64...
07:53:39godzirrathats a screen shot of an ipod 5g with rockbox.
07:53:40hcssneakums: ooh, cool
07:53:49Ersanwhoopdie doo a picture of a car
07:53:58godzirraMy point is it doesnt look like a C64 :p
07:54:14Ersanit also isn't aesthetically pleasing
07:54:18godzirraSo make your own wps.
07:54:19godzirraits not hard.
07:54:24hcsI have the default WPS with the peakmeter disabled because I'm using some very computationally intensive codecs
07:54:28godzirrayour gripe was that it looked like a c64.
07:54:32godzirraI showed you that it doesnt have to
07:54:36godzirrathus your argument is invalidated.
07:54:45godzirraif you want to argue -other- aesthetic problems, feel free ;)
07:54:46Ersanyes the wps is fine
07:54:50Ersanit's the navigating i have a problem with
07:54:56Ersanit looks like crap
07:55:07Ersanit just does
07:55:16scorcheah..good argument
07:55:23scorchewell enjoy your apple os...
07:55:31*scorche shrugs
08:01:30Ersangive me a good theme
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08:01:51scorchei dont know your tates...
08:01:56scorchetastes even
08:02:36hcsTerrible Terry Tate, Office Linebacker
08:03:34hcshmm, will setting a background image for the wps necessarily increase cpu usage?
08:04:14sneakumsvery slightly, i suppose, since it has to combine the image and text now instead of just writing the text with a solid background
08:04:38hcsI wonder if the solid background is stored anyway
08:05:37Ersanall any of these themes show is the WPS
08:05:58Ersani wanna know what the navigation looks like..
08:06:05sneakumswell, just imagine the file tree with that background and that font
08:06:09sneakumsand you're pretty much there
08:06:20hcsbackground isn't usually changed, though it can be
08:06:44scorcheseems like it usually is
08:06:48Ersanand you guys honestly don't think the original apple interface looks better
08:07:09sneakumsit's a bit slicker
08:07:12sneakumsi don't know if that makes it better
08:07:13godzirraI alwasys thought the original apple interface was very plain
08:07:33scorchehrm....only difference is the font ans a little arrow at the end
08:07:55Ersanand the icons
08:07:58scorcheoh...and the jerky motion that has been mentioned
08:08:03scorchewhat icons?
08:08:17scorchethe status bar at the top?
08:08:23sneakumsi don't remember seeing many icons in the ipod navigation
08:08:36scorcheonly icon i have seen is the arrow at the end..
08:08:37Ersanthe battery icon
08:08:48Ersanthe progress bars
08:09:03Ersanthe row selection is a gradient
08:09:04scorcheprogress bars are only on the WPs...
08:09:07Ersanso is the header
08:09:10sneakumsi can't say i spend long staring at that stuff
08:10:03Ersanslick is what i'm looking for
08:10:26sneakumswell, 80 gigs and vorbis playback is what i'm looking for
08:10:46Ersanwell since i have a 4gb nano and i use mp3's, that kind of defeats the purpose
08:10:57scorchehonestly, i dont care...if that is enough to make you want to go running back to the apple os, then go for it
08:11:16Ersanthe apple firmware doesn't let me keep my own directory structure
08:11:21Ersanthat's the only reason i use rockbox
08:11:44scorchebut rockbox doesnt have the gradient....THE GRADIENT!
08:11:52Ersanit's ugly as sin
08:11:56Ersanidc what skin you put on it
08:12:03Ersanit's just inherently ugly
08:12:16godzirrahonestly, who cares? Did you buy a nano to stare at it all day?
08:12:46godzirraThen pick rockbox or apple firmware. Move on. :)
08:12:56godzirraboth have their flaws. Oh well.
08:13:13scorchegodzirra: "flaws" ;)
08:13:15Ersanand that's it?
08:13:29godzirrain my not so humble opinion, yes.
08:13:41scorcheErsan: we dont care which you use...are you expecting us to beg you to use rockbox? =P
08:13:55sneakumsErsan: it's not inherently ugly. it just happens that nobody's written the code to do dipslay stuff like you want
08:13:55Ersanno it's called a discussion
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08:14:11sneakumsit's hard to have a discussion about matters of opinion
08:14:15Ersanit's not
08:14:19Ersanit's what people do all day long
08:14:20sneakumsit's not like we're discussing what the moon is made of
08:14:32Ersanif people discussed facts all the time there'd be nothing to discuss
08:14:34sneakumsi have a job, i work for a fair chunk of the day
08:14:34Ersanfacts don't change
08:14:38sneakumsin what paradise do you live?
08:14:55godzirraPeople often think their opinion is fact.
08:15:10sneakumsspeaking of fact, i wonder if i am screwing up creating this boot image
08:15:28Ersanhow could you possibly screw it up
08:15:39sneakumsby doing something wrong
08:15:52Ersanthe instructions are in very plain english
08:16:06sneakumsyes, yes they are.
08:16:19sneakumsbut i have to patch and build the bootloader myself, so already there is a new variable
08:16:19Ersanor perhaps other languages, i haven't looked
08:17:38godzirraThats cute.
08:17:42sneakumsthat's kind of not relevant, since i'm not even getting to the bootloader
08:17:50sneakumswhich is why i am currently looking at IpodInstallation
08:17:57Ersan then
08:18:08Ersanipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin
08:18:10sneakumsi am quite adept at unzipping my own builds onto my iriver
08:18:24sneakumsi guess you can't read
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08:18:50Ersanmaybe you should be looking at iRiver installation then...
08:19:02sneakumsthat's not much help, since i have an ipod here
08:19:09sneakumsmy iriver is over there, with a nicely working rockbox on it
08:19:21Ersanyes so building firmware takes three commands
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08:20:32Ersanor if you're one of those supermorons you read about in the papers
08:20:43Ersanyou can use RockBox Installer X
08:20:57Ersansince it does the same thing
08:22:50sneakumsso when i've built the bootloader, it ends up in bootloader/bootloader.bin yes?
08:23:40Ersanif you read that
08:23:43sneakumsi also have bootloader.img in the current directory, but that looks too big (77K) versus 58K for bootloader/bootloader.bin
08:23:45Ersanit'd be rockboot.bin
08:23:51sneakumsno, it wouldn't
08:24:03sneakumsrockboot.bin is what you get when you combine the bootloader and the two apple firmware files
08:24:17sneakumsassuming you even name it that
08:24:24sneakumswhich admittedly is a reasonable thing to do
08:24:32Ersanipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin
08:25:03Ersanwhy are you looking in the bootloader folder anyway
08:25:13sneakumsbecause i just built a patched bootloader
08:25:21sneakumsand i would like to make sure i am using the right file
08:26:10godzirranight guys
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08:29:19initselfIf I sent the development team a seemingly fried iAudio M3L, would that be helpful in the least?
08:36:34Ersani'm inclined to say no
08:36:48Ersanusually you have to pay people to fix stuff you've broken
08:37:33scorcheErsan: he isnt wanting to have it fixed..
08:38:19scorcheinitself: most likely not...a dev has to have the motivation to port rockbox...i dont believe any have any such feelings about the M
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08:42:23hcsbig endian testers wanted for NSF player:
08:44:04pagefaultI forget
08:44:07pagefaultI think it is
08:44:18hcsiPods are little endian
08:44:24scorchearm can be either
08:44:34pagefaultwhat about in the case of the h10
08:45:05BagderARMs are almost always used little endian
08:45:23hcspagefault: I'd be glad if you tested it on anything you have, anyway
08:45:30scorchebut they can still be either! ;)
08:45:40Bagdersure, as all modern archs can
08:45:44hcsIt's getting to the point where I'm running out of problems to fix
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08:47:10*amiconn doesn't even know what NSF is
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08:47:28hcsNintendo Entertainment System/Famicom music
08:47:37hcssimilar to SID
08:48:07amiconnAh, so it's very unlikely I have any such tunes
08:48:11BagderSID is a chip
08:48:25hcsright, well, the file format is called SID
08:48:42Bagdersloppy terminology
08:48:43hcsin the NES' case it is primarily the 2A03 pAPU
08:49:02hcsthough I have support for a number of expansions, some running full speed
08:49:34hcsthe point remains that they are similar, both even 6502-based
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08:54:16hcsWii apparently will run a Linux variant
08:55:06scorcheif you ask to get rockbox ported to it, i am going to stab you
08:55:24hcsonce again, I was in the wrong channel
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09:12:10jhMikeSpetur: Your H340 explode yet?
09:12:21peturbut no playback either
09:12:54peturI loaded it just before jumping on my bike to work ;)
09:13:07jhMikeSwhat happens? just silence or worse?
09:13:40peturand a very loud POP if I rolo another version
09:13:49petur(which won't play - codec failure)
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09:14:11jhMikeSolder version won't play with newer codecs for sure
09:14:27JdGordon.. so just continuing the discussion from 8ish hours ago... the jump to random folder patch is acceptable?
09:14:56*jhMikeS is frustrated at having to guess all this with the uda1380 :(
09:15:55*petur is frustrated that jhMikeS guessed wrong :p
09:16:10jhMikeSpetur: nice comment on Flyspray! It works on x5 all the way
09:16:25*petur downloads CVS version
09:17:31peturpatch comment edited...
09:21:04jhMikeSthants better !:)
09:22:12peturnice docking station:
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09:28:03jhMikeSJdGordon: random folder patch? that sounds wierd. what's it for?
09:28:28JdGordonjump to a random folder at the end of the current folder, instead of just giong to the next folder
09:29:14Paul_the_NerdRight now moving to the next folder is broken anyway, without the randomness, isn't it?
09:29:29jhMikeSI was thinking it was that but didn't want to sounds stupid if I wrong :P Maybe I sounded stupider for not guessing publicly. :)
09:29:30JdGordonis it?
09:29:38Paul_the_NerdPeople have been complaining of playback glitches, and it's come down to them only happening using file/folder playback instead of playlists, and only when trying to move on to the next one.
09:30:06*jhMikeS 's typing makes him sound like english as second language
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09:32:22QuazgaajhMikeS: your mother is a horse
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09:34:32Mode"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
09:35:56peturgoodmorning Linus ;)
09:36:18jhMikeSyes, hello +o LinusN :)
09:36:49peturLinusN: is your mother a cow? :p
09:37:10jhMikeSQuazgaa: and all this time...I guess that explains...hehe
09:37:12LinusNpetur: damn. you're on to me :-)
09:40:11jhMikeSMan from the looks of things in the datasheet SYSCLK should be irrelevant with those settings...could be something else
09:41:44LinusNjhMikeS: this patch is a MONSTER :-)
09:42:26LinusNjhMikeS: is this really correct:
09:42:28LinusN void pcm_set_frequency(unsigned int frequency)
09:42:28LinusN {
09:42:28LinusN- pcm_freq=frequency;
09:42:28Paul_the_NerdWhich patch is this?
09:42:29DBUGEnqueued KICK LinusN
09:42:29LinusN+ pcm_freq = hw_freq_sampr[HW_FREQ_DEFAULT];
09:42:31LinusN }
09:42:46LinusNjhMikeS: gcc should warn you there
09:44:14jhMikeSIt did and I changed it in other areas I guess I didn't build that particular config...
09:44:39petur(latest one is at the bottom)
09:45:19jhMikeSIf the UDA would only work and give it a pass on SPDIF I think it could go in
09:46:02jhMikeSLinusN: You don't like MONSTER patches?
09:46:23LinusNno i don't
09:46:39CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:46:39*LinusN charges his trusty h140
09:47:14*Bagder uses his h140 to test is messed up usb
09:47:36Bagderusing a Rockbox several months old ;-)
09:47:37jhMikeSMost of it is generic software that I can test a lot...but you'd rather I scrap it all?
09:48:02LinusNjhMikeS: huh?
09:48:43*LinusN builds a h140 build of a monster patch
09:49:12jhMikeSLinusN: You say you don't like MONSTER come? People wanted sample rate (me too), quiet internal mic recording...faster there it is
09:49:28Paul_the_NerdThose sound like three patches, to me.
09:49:31LinusNjhMikeS: monster patches are hard to review
09:50:00JdGordon.. and hard to find bugs
09:50:08*JdGordon curses my latest uber-monsetr patch
09:50:13Bagderlinux-usb-devel, here we go
09:50:21jhMikeSI would have done it it parts if possible but they are all interdependent
09:50:29LinusNjhMikeS: i know
09:50:47LinusNJdGordon: the menu patch?
09:51:08LinusNthat's a perfect example of a monster patch :-)
09:51:13jhMikeSAs far as what preglow wanted (full duplex) I just planted a seed here and that can be done with minimal change to this
09:51:22JdGordonand its impossible to split into smaller ones :'(
09:52:04jhMikeSI'm perfectly comfortable with this just cause I've done so much testing on my own hardware. It's just those little bits I can't check.
09:54:11jhMikeSAnd the iRivers were working before sans 11 kHz very well...that dang uda...ahhhh!
09:57:34*jhMikeS fixed those lines that LinusN pointed out
09:57:59LinusNjhMikeS: i don't remember if we have ever tried using the WSPLL on the UDA
10:00:09LinusNjhMikeS: i think we need to set the PON_PLL bit in reg 2
10:00:13jhMikeSLinusN: really, but I suppose it should work. Not to sound repetitive or anything but I can't sit here and experiment atm until I get it to work like I could on the x5. That's why I'm looking for an H1x0 atm.
10:00:31jhMikeSLemme look...probably forgot something
10:01:12LinusNwe set reg 2 to PON_BIAS but it should be PON_BIAS|PON_PLL's like wondering why the TV wont work and finding out it's not plugged in. :)
10:02:47jhMikeSok...did that
10:04:45jhMikeSWhat about REG_DEC_VOL?
10:05:03LinusNplayback works for me now
10:05:13jhMikeSdid you try the plugin?
10:05:19LinusNhang on
10:06:12jhMikeSall of them?
10:06:44jhMikeScan record at differnt samplerates?
10:06:47LinusNor rather "yyyyeeeeeeeesssss" in 11khz :-)
10:07:23jhMikeSThat would be "yyyyeeeessss" :-)
10:08:29jhMikeSJust changed PON_PLL only?
10:09:42LinusNi can only select 44.1 and 22.05 in the recording settings
10:09:47jhMikeSand the recording? didn't try that yet or are you? :)
10:10:03jhMikeSLinusN: What F you can select depends on format. Try wav or wvpk
10:10:19LinusNi discovered that just now
10:11:20LinusNfunny that 88.2 is not usable with any of the encoders :-)
10:11:41jhMikeSThe ADC doesn't work at 88.2
10:11:53jhMikeSNot for the uda...I can use it with the tlv
10:12:03LinusNi see
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10:12:36LinusNmonitoring doesn't work
10:12:53jhMikeSYou have data coming in?
10:13:13LinusNnot a thing
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10:13:45LinusNand i got "IBC: at 00000000" when leaving the recording screen :-)
10:15:33jhMikeSok...haven't seen that...what's IBC?
10:15:41LinusNi dunno
10:16:24JdGordoncan plugins access the yesno screen?
10:16:27jhMikeSIt's not even in the interrupt list :-\
10:18:17jhMikeSLinusN: You said you had nothing so that mean no peaks on record right?
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10:18:50jhMikeS*crying and banging head*
10:20:29*scorche feels sorry for jhMikeS
10:21:11*scorche pats jhMikeS's back
10:21:39jhMikeSthe playback thing was solved but there must an answer for recording with the WSPLL
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10:24:38webguest95anyone able to help me with a question about rockbox on an iriver 140 using in the car?
10:25:05LinusNjhMikeS: the iriver uses different IIS ports for playback and recording
10:25:15LinusNwebguest95: just ask
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10:25:58jhMikeSI though I looked at that and it had IIS2 for everything...I just goofed...hrm
10:26:00webguest95thanks - there's an undoc'd feature in the setting saying car mode - it does pause the iriver when I turn off the ignition but doesn't power it off
10:26:33webguest95is there a way i can make it a) power off when I switch the car off and back on when i turn the car on?
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10:27:49LinusNwebguest95: off is possible, on is not
10:28:05webguest95shame - ok so how do i make it turn off?
10:28:07LinusNuse the idle poweroff timer
10:28:28webguest95oh ok - i did that - set it to 1min
10:28:46webguest95is the power on impossible from the hardware then?
10:29:15webguest95also just bought an archos av500 - will there be a port for that?
10:29:31webguest95only because its got no sleep timer on it - lol
10:30:42jhMikeSiRiver should use IIS2 to monitor...I don't remember IIS1 ever being configured in any pcm_*.c...where would that be set up.
10:30:43LinusNwebguest95: not likely, check out avos or medios
10:30:49webguest95Lastly a huge thanks to everyone involved in rockbox - its made turning my iriver on go from 2 mins to 3 seconds!
10:31:12LinusNjhMikeS: i think it's because the default iis1 values worked out of pure luck
10:31:25LinusNwebguest95: you're welcome :-)
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10:31:56jhMikeSahhh...well no more obviously
10:34:21LinusNso there should either be a separate set_rec_frequency() function, or the existing set_frequency() should set up both IIS1 and IIS2
10:34:25jhMikeSBut the coldfire should be essentially treated as the master on the output lines as well?
10:35:13LinusNbut we would probably not want to set up IIS1 unless we really want to record
10:35:17jhMikeSI suppose the default IIS is for the clocks to be unputs so nothing would be clocking data out of the uda
10:36:22LinusNand we only want IIS1 to drive the clock wen we are recording, to save (a tiny little bit of) power and to keep interference at a minimum
10:36:57jhMikeSI can modify the pcm_apply_settings to do that...I suppose its irrelevant for the x5
10:36:58LinusNah, we can use clocksel
10:37:06LinusN"follow iis2"
10:37:28LinusNso we can do the opposit from what it was
10:37:44LinusNiis1 follows iis2 instead
10:37:49jhMikeSThink we can just leave it that way?
10:37:59LinusNi'll give it a shot
10:38:34jhMikeSIf so then we can just leave it set that way all day and leave pcm_apply_settings alone
10:43:54jhMikeSgotta to run up to the back in 15-20
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10:55:08LinusNjhMikeS: damn, follow IISx doesn't work as i thought
10:55:50LinusNit doesn't follow the other clock, it *uses* the other clock
11:02:09LinusNthat may still be what we want
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11:09:04amiconnjhMikeS: Could you remind me why we want the wspll instead of master mode?
11:10:39LinusNamiconn: i believe it is because we can't make mclk generate 11.025 khz
11:11:25jhMikeSyes...the /4 errata
11:11:59jhMikeSI think you can use the audio clk/n settings perhaps
11:12:10LinusNjhMikeS: i tried a quick hack to set up iis1 to follow iis2, but no cigar
11:14:27jhMikeSI may put the IIS1 config right in tlv320_enable_recording for the time being as that relevant to that anyway but I'm gonna hide all this stuff from the DSP plugins and will have a function like pcm_enable_recording to do the dirty work
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11:18:23amiconnLinusN: We don't need to use the wspll for that
11:18:54LinusNamiconn: oh?
11:19:00amiconnWe can clock the uda with the same MCLK as for 22050Hz and set the sysclk divider to 512 instead of 256
11:19:56amiconnEven with the wspll we would need to adapt uda settings to the input frequency range
11:20:15jhMikeSThey get adapted
11:20:34jhMikeSIsn't 256 the slowest setting already?
11:20:38LinusNi think it would be nice to use slave mode on both playback and recording
11:20:55amiconnHmm, I can see one single advantage of using the wspll - for monitoring an spdif recording with a sample frequency not equal to one of (44100, 22050, 11025)
11:21:16amiconnFor all other cases, we could rather save the wspll power
11:24:00jhMikeSWon't 512 actually double the speed?
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11:26:15amiconnIt's a _divider_
11:26:54jhMikeSBut does it divide by more at 256*fs or 512*fs?
11:31:25jhMikeSWhat does using the WSPLL have to do with slave mode or not? :-\
11:31:33amiconnsysclk=256*fs means the sysclk is 256 times the sample frequency, iow, fs = sysclk /256
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11:36:28neighborsHi, is there a way to see how many times a file has been played?
11:37:22neighborsAnd if so, a way to generate an ordered list descending by play count
11:39:10jhMikeSSo I guess setting just using FXTAL/2 and using sysclk/512 will render you 11025 but no honest 88200 will be available without the WSPLL since theres no sysclk*128 setting
11:39:32jhMikeSFs*128 even
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11:41:19LinusNotoh, is 88.2khz really necessary?
11:41:36peturneighbors: I think tagcach has some kind of a rating system, and there's also an audioscrobbler patch in the patchtracker
11:42:22*obo wonders what he can do to change that :)
11:42:53peturkeep nagging ;)
11:43:25LinusNi think it is in a committable state
11:44:54neighborspetur: ah thank you. Looks like there is a experimental feature in the TagCache for it
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11:47:08amiconnjhMikeS: As I said, wspll might be useful for spdif monitoring anyway (provided we can set the divider thing live)
11:47:22LinusNamiconn, jhMikeS: so what do we think? my opinion is that using slave mode in all cases would be convenient
11:47:32amiconn88.2 is impossible on uda for recording; for playback it should be possible
11:47:36jhMikeSSo the WSPLL can on for 88.2 and off for all others. I'm not sure how you'll get the SPDIF clock out to the uda.
11:47:38LinusNbut is the pll uses a lot of power, it might be a bad idea
11:48:02amiconnI guess the wspll won't use much power
11:48:08jhMikeSI know the limits on recording
11:48:16amiconnjhMikeS: Ah, hmm, that's a problem...
11:48:33jhMikeSThat's why the 88kHz bit mask is not set for recording in the cofig file
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11:48:40amiconnYou can't use the regenerated ebu clock for anything else but measuring...
11:48:51amiconnSomewhat silly design imho
11:49:16LinusNnot the first silly design in the coldfire, is it? :-)
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11:49:38oboso if no one has any violent disagreements about it, who may I nag to get it committed?
11:49:57LinusNobo: i don't have any issues with it
11:50:21LinusNi guess we need to decide if it is a wanted feature on the archos
11:50:22jhMikeSI already have it setting the monitoring to the f closest to the spdif rate
11:51:07oboLinusN: I guess that's the only unknown - I haven't had any feedback to even say if it's working on those targets
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11:51:54LinusNobo: i assume it works just fine
11:51:58jhMikeSI guess I can try setting IIS1 as audio clk/n just like IIS2 is
11:52:08LinusNbut it increases the binary size
11:52:20LinusNjhMikeS: yes
11:52:24oboLinusN: I did have to add a function into mpeg.c, which AFAIK is untested
11:52:42jhMikeSIf the PLL is a problem with power, I'll just adjust the way things are done and use it only when needed
11:53:59jhMikeSOne other thing I talking to preglow about is to have the dsp run at hardware samplerates to reduce resampling
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11:56:54LinusNjhMikeS: i'm curious about pcm_apply_settings()
11:57:20LinusNmostly about this one:
11:57:23LinusN SET_IIS_CONFIG((freq_ent[FPARM_CLOCKSEL] << 12) |
11:57:48LinusNFPARM_CLOCKSEL is always 0
11:58:40LinusNhmmm, now i get it
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11:59:35jhMikeSI'm just selecting the byte out of the list
12:01:48jhMikeSjust really to have it readable and changable over (*freq_ent << 12) or something
12:04:56jhMikeSpcm_change_monitor isn't used at all...but I'm thinking about voice during recording at some point and the need to switch monitoring without disturbing other stuff
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12:07:40jhMikeSI'm wondering...the spdif should still work since it uses another route
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12:09:16LinusNpossibly, but i don't have an s/pdif source at hand right now
12:09:57*jhMikeS will keep the "one* call does it all" approach and make it work :) *one may be two to four
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12:11:52JdGordon:D all done
12:12:35*jhMikeS hates having register setup in what's basically app code :B
12:13:29*petur walks off to lunch
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12:16:12jhMikeSJdGordon: what'd you do? I'm scared!
12:16:50JdGordonall will be revelead... :D
12:17:33jhMikeSOh holy mother it's the settings patch!
12:18:10*scorche puts his stamp back in its jewelled case
12:19:36jhMikeSscorche: Who got stamped now?
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12:23:28Rincewind_LinusN: do you you think that my record button configuration patch (#5555) could be submitted to cvs? The only thing that is missing now is a few #defines so that it doesen't affect other targets (imho)
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12:28:46LinusNRincewind_: well, it looks (almost) allright codewise, but i'm not sure if we want that feature
12:29:01JdGordonhehe Mr. Impatient :D
12:29:10JdGordonignore me
12:29:11LinusNJdGordon: :-)'
12:29:34Rincewind_I started a few discussions about it, but it never came to a conclusion. I suppose someone just has to decide it.
12:29:45Genre9mp3Ricewind: The rec. button use in your patch is while in WPS only, right?
12:29:45LinusNi guess so
12:30:06Rincewind_it used in wps and in file browser
12:30:10Genre9mp3Oh... ok
12:30:20Rincewind_but it could be extended to give different options for filebrowser
12:30:51Genre9mp3So currently, you can set the same action for wps and file browser?
12:31:14Genre9mp3I think it would be great if could set different actions on these two
12:31:20Genre9mp3if you could
12:31:31Rincewind_the options are: show current playlist, show themes dir, show plugins, show recording screen, show recording screen and start recording
12:31:45jhMikeSJdGordon: have I has my privileges taken away? :-(
12:31:54JdGordonwhich ones?
12:32:02LinusNRincewind_: i don't understand the code in gwps.c
12:32:09Rincewind_different options for file browser and wps are easy to add, I just have to know which one
12:32:15LinusNit calls user_action() twice
12:32:20Genre9mp3Rincewind_: Sounds interesting..
12:32:26jhMikeSAny of them...commit, flyspray, anything?
12:32:27Rincewind_LinusN, mom, I'm starting my editor
12:32:45LinusNRincewind_: ignore me
12:32:55*jhMikeS is getting paranoid
12:33:02*LinusN cleans his glasses
12:33:24Genre9mp3Rincewind_: One action could do the rec button in file browser would be to enque files
12:33:45Rincewind_Genre9mp3: yes, I would like that, too
12:34:14Genre9mp3Another one would be "open with"
12:34:15*JdGordon thought everyone was dead against user configurable buttons?
12:34:33Genre9mp3JdGordon: Why's that?
12:34:38Rincewind_define "anyone"
12:34:46*JdGordon _thought_
12:34:59*LinusN is not a fan of configurable buttons
12:35:26*Rincewind_ is not a fan of buttons that do things he doesn't ever use
12:35:29jhMikeSJd/Linus: If there's a problem just tell me and I'll be gone
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12:35:41LinusNjhMikeS: what are you talking about?
12:35:52Genre9mp3I think that it's not bad to have a configurable button...
12:36:46Rincewind_the only problem I see is, that if we give irivers a config button, the ipod users cry because they can't have one :-)
12:36:47jhMikeSI don't paranoias going throught the roof...wonder if I went overboard on something...Jd says all will be revealed and of course I think it's something bad about me :\
12:37:05*scorche gives jhMikeS some pills
12:37:07JdGordonhaha chill dude :D
12:37:08Genre9mp3And I certaintly prefer to be able to set a "favorite" action to it than have it redundant
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12:37:27*jhMikeS likes pills...are benzos?
12:37:35jhMikeSare they even?
12:37:40*LinusN goes to lunch
12:37:43Genre9mp3Rincewind_: ipod users have to find first buttons and then cry! :P
12:38:09scorchejhMikeS: they are unmarked pills that came from my pocket
12:38:25Rincewind_LinusN: If I'm not around when you come to a conclusion, please add your thoughts as a comment to my patch
12:38:25jhMikeSacorche: probably tick tacks
12:38:51scorcheif you thinkthey are ;)
12:39:04JdGordonmmmm.... funny tic tacs.. :D
12:39:17Rincewind_or maybe frog pills ^^
12:39:33Rincewind_(if you know the discworld you know what I mean)
12:40:01*jhMikeS takes the electric tick tacks
12:40:03*obo mutters about dried frogs pills
12:40:34scorchejhMikeS: uhhh...actually, i need those back...i meant to take pills from my other pocket
12:40:44scorchecrap...they were blue huh...
12:42:54Genre9mp3Rincewind_: Another action the rec. button could do besides "enque" and "open with" is "cut" "copy" or even "delete"
12:44:01Rincewind_oh, I wouldn't like that, because c&p is two actions, so it's not very useful to put one of the two (or three) on a button
12:44:55*scorche sticks with enqueue, insert, and open with
12:44:57Rincewind_this would need a new concept of "modes", so enter a c&p mode and have buttons to do c&p and then we can have a playlist mode...
12:45:16Genre9mp3Rincewind_: you have a point there..
12:45:45Rincewind_but I don't want to code this, because I don't think something like that is likely to get commited
12:45:57scorcheand it would be death with all of the people coming in and whining about duplicate files popping up and other files disappearing
12:46:16Genre9mp3scorche: indeed
12:46:30Genre9mp3Ok... ignore the c&p and delete
12:46:36jhMikeSscorche: I guess you can wait about two days till they come back out :)
12:46:46Rincewind_after lunch I try to make a patch that has enque, insert and open with to chose from.
12:47:07scorchehehe...if you implented it as delete, i would strangle you =)
12:47:08Rincewind_the only thing is: there are about 6 options for insert and queue...
12:47:09Genre9mp3Rincewind_: Seperately for the file browser? cool! :)
12:47:43scorcheRincewind_: i would go with enqueue next, and reg insert
12:47:45*jhMikeS thinks we should have a harddisk format key combo
12:48:02Rincewind_scorche: good idea
12:48:03scorcheor choose between them i guess on the settings...
12:48:36scorchejhMikeS: also, you might not want to go out in public for a few hours...
12:48:57jhMikeSscorche: np...sitting tight
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12:49:16scorchejhMikeS: if that was meant as a pun, that wa amusing =)
12:49:23jhMikeSother's have had duplicate files popping up too?
12:49:24Rincewindjeah, my nick is free again!
12:49:47scorcheRincewind: you dont have it registered with nickserv?
12:49:55Rincewindnope ^^
12:50:02scorchewhy not? =P
12:50:06Rincewindit belongs someone else...
12:50:32RincewindI know it maybe is bad style, but I'm not very fond of the _
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12:51:11scorcheor whatever it says ;)
12:51:11Genre9mp3Rincewind: The tricky part though is that "enque next" option is only available when music is actually playing
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12:51:34Rincewindthat questionmark was for scorche
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12:51:57Genre9mp3Rincewind: Also another thing is that these options are meant to be only for music files
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12:52:02scorcheRincewind: there is a ghost command that is used whenever someone is on your name and you ahve the name registered with nickserv
12:52:35scorcheinsert when in file browser and enqueue when in playlist view mode possibly?
12:52:36RincewindIt's been a long time that I was on IRC...
12:52:44jhMikeSok...IIS1 on iRiver...back to private
12:52:53RincewindI had to use ISDN for the last 2 years :(
12:53:05Genre9mp3Rincewind: So when a player sets "enque next" as an action for file browser it shouldn't do anything if the user press rec. on a jpg
12:53:31scorchecould be if the format is anything besides a music file, it brings up open with ;)
12:53:33Genre9mp3Rincewind: Or at least pop up a msg that it's not a music file (?)
12:53:34RincewindGenre9mp3: I think I just write it that it does nothing if nothing can be done.
12:54:14Rincewindscorche: you have nice ideas, but I think it should be simple and predictable
12:54:30Rincewindpopups are evil!
12:54:34Genre9mp3scorche: Though it would be nice to do that... wouldn't be confusing?
12:54:57Genre9mp3scorche: I mean... a user sets it to "enque" and he gets "open with"
12:55:11scorcheif we have the options like that
12:55:15scorche, yes
12:55:37scorchebut it could be that the option is only what to do with music files
12:55:44scorcheand anything but would be open with regardless
12:55:53*Rincewind finds himself something to eat
12:57:24Genre9mp3Rincewind: I dislike popups, too to tell you the truth...
12:58:01scorchei like popups when deleting or some such action
12:58:20scorchebut only then...
12:59:35*Genre9mp3 wonders how scorche feels about "Canceled" popup in settings
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13:00:30scorchei like it as long as it isnt on there for 3 seconds
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13:01:03preglowbahh, another setting ://
13:02:08scorcheit is nice to know, and if you are occupied with something else, it can be easy to hit the wrong button on some targets
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13:09:22oboJdGordon: in english.lang - is id: LANG_RANOOM a typo?
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13:09:46JdGordonobo: hehe woopsies
13:10:25JdGordonill fix that asap
13:11:06*amiconn sees talk about configurable button(s). Urgh!
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13:11:23preglowthis much code for such an esoteric feature is... well
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13:11:44RincewindJdGordon: Random Folder advance, Yes! Thank you very much. That's the only random I like to use
13:11:58amiconnEeek, random folder advance in cvs :(
13:12:04Genre9mp3amiconn: It's just for _one_ button that is currently redundant on irivers (in WPS and File browser)
13:12:07preglowamiconn: surely won't help archos, hgeh
13:13:38JdGordonamiconn: there was no real objections this morning...
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13:14:29preglow/folder_advance_list.dat ????
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13:15:21JdGordonpreglow: if you can come up with a way thats random, is hardly any code, and is fast ill buy u a coockie!
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13:15:43Bagder"a way thats random" ?
13:16:04JdGordonok, ignore that part
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13:17:16preglowshouldn't stuff like this be easier to code if you don't do it on a directory basis?
13:17:20preglowlike with tagcache or something
13:17:34*Rincewind starts coding, please highlight me if you talk about the record button again
13:17:41JdGordonpossibly.. but not everyone uses TC
13:17:59preglowhell, i don't use it myself
13:18:25*Bagder never even tried TC
13:18:39*Bagder is old fashioned and grumpy
13:18:40preglowfile system for life
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13:19:04preglowignore me anyway
13:19:07*scorche throws his lot in with the no TC pile as well
13:19:12JdGordonwhy the heck am i getting error: syntax error before ';' token on the line rb->lcd_update(); on the player?
13:19:20preglowthe new file being a plugin does make it somewhat better
13:19:28BagderJdGordon: because it has no such function?
13:19:52preglowbut one of these days i'm going to start worrying seriously about feature bloat in rockbox
13:20:03JdGordonit does... doesnt it?
13:20:21BagderJdGordon: I believe lcd_update(); is defined to nada for the player
13:20:23SlasheriBagder: you should try it once at least ;)
13:20:35BagderSlasheri: nah, I have zero use for it
13:20:52JdGordonBagder: ha, ok, um... how do i update the display for that then? or is it automagic?
13:21:06preglowJdGordon: automagic, afaik
13:21:08SlasheriBagder: at least it can remember the order of last played songs :)
13:21:12*preglow hates charcells
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13:21:49BagderSlasheri: hehe, that's not a vital feature for me ;-)
13:22:07Bagderin fact, I might be the rockbox user who uses the least functions of Rockbox
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13:23:06preglowBagder: might actually be me
13:23:33preglowi usually do the following things: load default config, browse file tree, press play, press skip
13:23:38amiconnJdGordon: Player has _non_ lcd_update() on target. The Sim does, however, and needs it
13:23:48Bagderpreglow: I use playlists, but I am single-codec
13:24:03scorcheok...what web designer came up with the brilliant idea to have a status field say "yes"
13:24:04preglownever touch playlists, hate the darned things
13:24:04scorchehow about mailed, authenticating, paused, or something that actually tells me something!!
13:24:19JdGordonwasnt there talk about dropping support for the charcells ?
13:24:21*scorche growls and says "</rant>"
13:24:25preglowJdGordon: indeed there was
13:24:38preglowand i'm somewhat in favour of it
13:24:45*amiconn has strong objections against dropping player support
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13:26:00preglowBagder: if codecs count as features, you've got me licked anyway
13:26:14preglowi use at least four different ones on a regular basis
13:26:19preglowbut mostly vorbis
13:26:53*amiconn only keeps tracks in other formats than mp3 for testing purposes
13:27:02*scorche points to the ajbr that sits on the floor
13:27:09linuxstbpreglow: What's the point in Rockbox if we don't use it to add features? (re: your comment about feature bloat)
13:27:11scorcheenough said ;0
13:27:22*Genre9mp3 would like to use vorbis, too
13:27:38*JdGordon passes a beer to linuxstb, someone talking some sense :D
13:27:58*linuxstb waits for the beer to travel around the globe
13:28:13*petur gets triggered
13:28:16JdGordon2 days by air mail
13:29:40preglowshut up
13:29:58preglowlinuxstb: should use it to add features, sure, but that's not saying we should add every feature we see
13:30:06peturpreglow: b e e r :p
13:30:39JdGordonpreglow: there are 300+ patches and 200 odd feature requests.. and your asying every feature is added??
13:30:59daurnimatorwhat ye progress on ipod 5.5g?
13:31:10scorchedaurnimator: see the thread ;)
13:31:21daurnimatortell me ;)
13:31:29scorchethe thread is current
13:31:39daurnimatoryou are more
13:31:43peturdaurnimator: and irc log of yesterday
13:31:57JdGordonI rekon stuff like album art and such features should not get in, but featires whih actually affect playvback should
13:32:03scorchenothing the thread doesnt say...
13:32:05JdGordonshould go in that is
13:32:13preglowi think album art should go in, really
13:32:19preglowif it's not too intrusive
13:32:44*Bagder agrees
13:32:55preglowif only to match other firmwares in that regard
13:32:58preglowlots of people want it
13:33:05JdGordonbut why? your DAP is to play music, not be looked at..
13:33:16preglowand i guess what i really want is just a way to find out if there is enough people supporting a feature for it to go in
13:33:16BagderI disagree
13:33:19preglowbut that'd be hard, of course...
13:33:29BagderJdGordon: then why have a big color screen and all?
13:33:45JdGordonBagder: "we" do the software, not the hardware
13:33:55Bagder"we" buy the hardware
13:34:08markunJdGordon: which player do you have?
13:34:14scorche"we" would like to use the hardware to its fullest
13:34:31JdGordon.. but i got it second hand half price... so you cant say i bouught it because of the clour screen
13:35:08preglowwell, you might not
13:35:12preglowbut it's obvious that lots of people do
13:35:15JdGordonI dont have a problem with features that make it pretty being added... what i have a problem with is when these are accepted, but usefull stuff relating to playback is rejected
13:35:16preglowso it's a bit of a moot point
13:35:17daurnimatorJdGordon: thats what the remote is for
13:35:28daurnimatorthe dap itself can be anything you want
13:35:53preglowwe've got games, peak meters, wpses and all sorts of stuff that suggest people DO look at their daps
13:35:53daurnimatorpreglow: i agree with you - album art is required
13:36:37markunJdGordon: iAudio M3 might also have been a good DAP for you I think
13:36:41JdGordonpreglow: going by that why bother with FLAC or ogg? most people listen to mp3, so why not save spce to pretty it up and leave out those codecs?
13:36:58jhMikeSrandom random...of course english.lang is always out of sync :)
13:37:04daurnimatorJdGordon: cause we are trying to get people AWAY from mp3
13:37:07JdGordonmarkun: ok, im being slightly silly... i love the big colour screen, doom is awesome :D
13:37:17*petur wonders if JdGordon had a bad night
13:37:34*JdGordon likes to argue for the sake of it
13:37:58daurnimatorJdGordon: its called "trolling"
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13:38:08jhMikeSJdGordon: no you don't
13:38:08*JdGordon didnt start it
13:38:50jhMikeSpetur: I think Linus and I worked out the stuff with iRiver...gonna post an update soon
13:38:56jhMikeSJdGordon: yes you did
13:39:03webguest20There is a typo in the newly committed english.lang. LANG_RANOOM. Where is D?
13:39:07preglowJdGordon: i don't get your reasoning
13:39:18JdGordonwebguest20: fixed
13:39:24preglowJdGordon: i didn't say playback elements are useless
13:39:38preglowi say visual elements are worth taking into consideration
13:39:43peturjhMikeS: no hurry, I'm not near my dev environment until late tonight or tomorrow morning
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13:39:53daurnimatordoes anyone know of any upcoming daps - lots of buttons, 40gb+ hdd
13:40:08jhMikeSpreglow: agree...I want more color and pretty things
13:40:09JdGordonpreglow: right, and i agree
13:40:13amiconnI have less objections against album art (nonsense on archos, of course), than I have against configurable buttons, or against dropping a target
13:40:38amiconnIt's just that doing album art properly requires a bit more thinking, and some preconditions for doing it properly
13:40:39JdGordon.. but some features which are related to playback have been flatly refused... its that which irritates me
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13:40:50preglowamiconn: indeed
13:42:01Rincewindamiconn: why are you against configurable buttons? Imho, it would increase usability, wheras album art is only eyecandy (or iCandy)
13:42:12webguest69Great features dont neccessarily make it into rockbox, its a question of who's prepared to code it, and will a cvs dev commit the feature, thats what determines what gets in and what doesn't
13:42:18preglowJdGordon: like i said, we can't just drop all criticism and commit everything relating to playback, rockbox would become confusing as hell to use and very bloated
13:42:22scorchethe issue is...playback features typically affect bootbox size, while shiny things dont
13:43:16scorchewebguest69: we know...this is mostly a conversation between devs ;)
13:43:24*jhMikeS likes shiny things...and making them too
13:43:24preglowi wouldn't say i consider bootbox at all, but...
13:43:31*linuxstb agrees that the album art patch should be committed - but without the current bmp resizing dependency.
13:43:35JdGordonpreglow: im not suggesting that happens.. its just that sometimes it feels like that
13:43:43preglowlinuxstb: indeed, indeed
13:44:21webguest69album art on grey scale ?
13:44:29JdGordonapart from the archos targets, do any others have a filesize limit?
13:44:31preglowwebguest69: why not? if people want it, then hey...
13:44:48Genre9mp3webguest69: We already have jpg viewer on grayscale
13:45:10jhMikeSI thought the bitmaps were required to be fixed size. I haven't looked at album art stuff in some time though.
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13:45:10RincewindI would like to see wps backdrops on my h120...
13:45:21preglowRincewind: yeah, but we won't use grayscale tricks in wps
13:45:25scorcheJdGordon: i believe iriver does (as it can flash also), but not sure how big
13:45:25preglowso it'll be 4 colours
13:45:36Rincewind4 colours are fine
13:45:38linuxstbjhMikeS: Not any more - there a related patch that adds bmp resizing to the load_bmp_file() function.
13:45:44JdGordonscorche: i tihnk iriver is like 4mb, so thats not a problem
13:45:55preglowflash size on iriver isn't a problem
13:45:58preglowfile size isn't a problem
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13:46:06preglowthe fact that rockbox becomes confusing and bloated is
13:46:23JdGordonits only confusing because the menus are terrible :D
13:46:38Rincewindbtw, how is your patch going, JdGordon?
13:46:49amiconnRincewind: Configurable buttons are a support nightmare
13:46:53jhMikeSlinuxstb: why's that a problem? resizing isn't such a big deal
13:46:57preglowand adding new features at a breakneck pace won't help
13:47:02JdGordonRincewind: terribly, for some reason it stays boosted, and i have no idea why
13:47:12preglowjhMikeS: need temp buffers to resize
13:47:15preglowbig ones
13:47:43RincewindI don't see a problem with support if we only use a spare button that isn't used otherwise and only give a limited range of configurable actions
13:47:46jhMikeSheh...lemme think about that shouldn't...resize as you read it
13:47:51amiconnlinuxstb: The current bmp resizing is (1) ugly code-wise and (2) ugly result-wise
13:47:53linuxstbjhMikeS: I just don't like the current implementation.
13:48:16webguest69a wakeup alarm is surely of more use than album art ?
13:48:23linuxstbamiconn: My suggestion was to commit album-art, but without the resizing ability.
13:48:26jhMikeSit basically works by pixel doubling/dropping?
13:48:35amiconnRegarding eye-candy: I am even thinking about enabling backdrop support for 4-grey targets...
13:49:05JdGordonwont that look horrible?
13:49:11amiconnpreglow: No big temp buffers are necessary for proper resizing, even with anti-aliasing
13:49:22*jhMikeS wants colored icons is the statusbar...and colorful sliders and peakmeters.
13:49:28Rincewindit helps with creating wps, because then you can put all the static images in one big image
13:49:36amiconnJdGordon: Not with a specially made backdrop, e.g. using white and light grey only
13:49:45JdGordonah ok
13:50:36preglowamiconn: then what's the problem?
13:50:40webguest69is anyone working on a wakeup alarm ?
13:50:58amiconnpreglow: what problem?
13:51:00JdGordonwebguest69: to do it properly its targte dependant.. so slow
13:51:07Genre9mp3webguest69: For which target?
13:51:14preglowamiconn: with resizing?
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13:51:43Genre9mp3webguest69: H140 hasn't an RTC.. how it will be possible to wake up?
13:52:06daurnimatorwebguest69: i see no point in a wake up alarm
13:52:18linuxstbGenre9mp3: You could have a power-saving sleep mode - so you don't actually turn it off.
13:52:42daurnimator1. most have an alarm clock 2. most have a phone one would be bothered going to the effort to set it
13:53:25Genre9mp3linuxstb: Sounds do-able but I don't think it worths doing it
13:53:30Bagderdaurnimator: most people also have things to play games on or even to listen to music with, they still like Rockbox to do that ;-)
13:53:51Genre9mp3linuxstb: But I guess it could be nice to have on RTC targets...
13:53:52jhMikeSJdGordon: I have to edit settings.c and english.lang after updating!
13:53:54webguest69Genre, run a poll and you'll be surprised at the response
13:54:02daurnimatorBagder: rockbox IS for listening to music, and most people don't have anything to play games on on the go
13:54:13daurnimatorphones are crap & psps are uncommon and bulky
13:54:16RincewindI would like rockbox to do my laundry, maybe I should put a feature request up :-D
13:54:19Bagderdaurnimator: so why not wake up to your music?
13:54:30Genre9mp3webguest69: indeed... cause I can't understand why someone wants to wake using his dap
13:54:38scorchedaurnimator: i phone is pretty good with games (treo)
13:54:41peturI think LinusN was working on an alarm framework
13:54:46scorcheas are most smartphones
13:55:03JdGordonjhMikeS: payback... any idea how often i have to do that in my menu patch :D ?
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13:55:08preglowwaking up with daps would be great
13:55:15webguest69I often dose with my music on, and I would like to be woken by my dap after x hours, I would use that feature often
13:55:16preglowbeats my bloody alarm clock by leaps and bounds
13:55:30peturor starting a recording at a certain time
13:55:45Genre9mp3preglow: You'd have to use external speakers though or else doesn't make sense
13:55:48jhMikeSJdGordon: It hasn't been me that's been doing it...just wait >:) hahahaaha
13:56:02Genre9mp3petur: A scheduler like that would be great!
13:56:03JdGordonoh it has...
13:56:45webguest69someone was working on a wakeup feature for recording, why not adapt that for plauback as well ?
13:56:54preglowGenre9mp3: nah, using my bigger earphones would work great, i wake easily
13:56:57jhMikeSpetur: yes...a programmable recoding seems useful for scheduled program...but I wouldn't want to wear heaphones all nigh
13:57:07preglowGenre9mp3: which is why alarm clocks tend to give me something resembling a heart attack
13:57:42Genre9mp3preglow: You would sleep wearing your earphones?
13:57:53preglowGenre9mp3: just leave them besides my bed
13:58:02amiconnpreglow: [13:47:44] <amiconn> linuxstb: The current bmp resizing is (1) ugly code-wise and (2) ugly result-wise
13:58:11preglowamiconn: at least both can be fixed
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13:59:52webguest69at work I am allowed a two hour nap, i use my music to help rest, having a alarm which one can set would be usefull, on trains, egg timer, cooking timer, lots of uses :>
14:00:23daurnimatorBagder: also, many targets only have earphones:P - you try waking up to a near silent sound coming out of earphones
14:00:30amiconnpreglow: Yes, but I'd rather want to leave it out and do it properly than commit the current crap
14:00:49daurnimatorscorche: not everyone has a treo :P
14:00:50preglowamiconn: sure
14:01:04preglowjust saying that if resizing can be done with no buffers, then it should be possible too
14:01:08scorchedaurnimator: not everyone has a dap either ;)
14:01:19daurnimatorscorche: then why would they have rockbox :S
14:01:45Genre9mp3daurnimator: You can connect the dap to a set of speakers, too
14:01:57preglowin rockbox, that is
14:02:13daurnimatorGenre9mp3: but the places people wouldn't already have a good alarm are the places without speakers
14:02:23daurnimatori just see an alarm as totally pointless
14:02:35webguest69and i dont
14:02:55daurnimatorwebguest69: i can't see when you would use it
14:03:02Genre9mp3daurnimator: Someone could easily hive a nice set of speakers next to his bed
14:03:27webguest69I would use it at work
14:03:35linuxstbdaurnimator: Anyone who uses their DAP with external speakers could find an alarm feature useful...
14:03:43daurnimatorGenre9mp3: and alarm clock, and a mobile, or anything else that has an alarm
14:03:43scorcheit doesnt have to be for that either...could fall asleep in your favorite chair and want it to wake you up in 3 hours
14:03:49daurnimatoror a WATCH
14:04:02scorchechairs are very comfortable with headphones on
14:04:18daurnimatorscorche: my favorite chair is in front of home stereo
14:04:22webguest69exactly, thats what i do at work
14:04:44scorchewebguest69: sleep in your favorite chair?
14:04:47daurnimatorwebguest69: you fall asleep for 3 hours at work? - i want your job!
14:04:50scorchei want your job..
14:04:57Genre9mp3daurnimator: You may prefer the nasty high pitch tones that alarms have... others don't! ;)
14:05:53daurnimatorGenre9mp3: so they buy an alarm clock - or, like i would, not wake up to anything that ISN'T annoying
14:06:14scorchewhich includes music from your DAP
14:06:22jhMikeSIsn't an alarm supposed to be annoying so that you wake up?
14:06:36daurnimatorjhMikeS: thats what i would think
14:06:53Genre9mp3jhMikeS: that point of you... we don't need alarms! :)
14:07:10webguest69seriously, my work alows me to take a nap, hence having a wakeup alarm in my dap would be great. or. you're waiting for a connecting flight and want to take a nap, saet the dap alarm
14:07:12Genre9mp3Of view (damn)
14:07:29daurnimatorwebguest69: use your phone!
14:07:34daurnimatoror your computer!
14:07:48*Bagder reads Zagor's reply to the swedish C&D-letter (on the T*tris case)
14:07:51webguest69nah thats really nerdy, and I hate phones
14:08:17webguest69besides with my music in my ears I wont hear the phone ringing
14:08:33daurnimator.. hardly a reason to code something tricky that would probably bloat
14:08:49daurnimatorwebguest69: turn the music on a sleep timer
14:08:56Rincewindwhen the music is playing, how are you supposed to hear an alarm from your dap if it is already playing when you sleep? *confused*
14:09:02JdGordondaurnimator: if the hardware can do it then coding an alaram should be dead simple
14:09:35daurnimatorJdGordon: you would need to be in a standby state (to save battery)
14:09:44daurnimatorhave watchdogs etc
14:10:04Genre9mp3daurnimator: I wouldn't say taht it would bloat..
14:10:13BagderRTC should be enough
14:10:20Rincewindnah, a watchdog isn't needed
14:10:28webguest69if you in the twilight zone, ie dozing, you're ware of the music, but not of time, hence some time of time mark, alarm would be handy
14:10:35daurnimatorBagder: wouldn't you sort of need it monitored while ON & OFF?
14:10:45daurnimatoryou don't want to leave your dap on
14:10:53Bagderthe RTC can wake
14:10:56Bagderwake it
14:11:04daurnimatoron all targets????
14:11:06Rincewindthat would be a timer thread on non-RTC targets
14:11:25scorcheall targets that have RTC at least
14:11:44daurnimatori just don't see the point - or especially the worth
14:11:52Genre9mp3... and a bootloader that is "aware" of that ;)
14:11:57scorcheyou might not, but obviously some of us do ;)
14:12:35*scorche goes to the welcoming embrace of his bed
14:12:40*jhMikeS would sleep more soundly with a watchdog
14:13:00*scorche has a watchdog that sleeps with him
14:13:14daurnimatorseriously: who doesn't have a phone with them at most times :S
14:13:15webguest69gf ?
14:13:25scorchei wish...
14:13:26webguest69me I dont
14:13:26JdGordonamiconn: we finnaly have a working shutdown screen on the recorder!
14:13:26daurnimatorwebguest69: a labrodor
14:13:33scorcheshiba-inu ;)
14:13:36Bagderdaurnimator: still, that phone doesn't have the music set your Rockbox dap has
14:14:01RincewindGenre9mp3 and sorche: adding the insert and queue options in my patch is more work than I thought it was. Don't expect any results from me today.
14:14:08scorchejhMikeS: not even...
14:14:29scorcheRincewind: i dont even have the device...just pitching out ideas ;)
14:14:35Genre9mp3Rincewind: No need to rush... it's good that you are into it
14:15:11*scorche REALLY goes to the welcoming embrace of his bed
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14:15:22webguest69on a train, listening to music, to ensure you dont miss your station if you nod off, set a tmer on your dap
14:16:00*JdGordon gets scorche's attention so he doesnt in fact go!
14:16:26*scorche stabs JdGordon with a blunt bar of chocolate
14:16:43Rincewindand what is the timer supposed to do? If you already listening to music, the only thing it can do is stop the music...
14:17:02JdGordonpump the volume up to full
14:17:06*Rincewind slaps scorche around a bit with a large trout
14:17:10JdGordonblow our ears out... that should wake you up
14:17:14Bagderor play a specific song/sound
14:17:17webguest69make a suitable alarm sound to remind/wake you up
14:17:47Genre9mp3JdGordon: ouch!
14:17:48Rincewindand you talk about avoiding option bloat...
14:17:55peturbeep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep
14:18:03webguest69thats a good start
14:18:31preglowBagder: swedish c&d letter?
14:18:31webguest69or announce something like, "would you like a BJ"
14:18:53Bagderpreglow: yeah, Björn got a swedish version of the US C&D-letter, from a swedish law firm
14:18:57peturuse voice to wake you up
14:19:15Bagderpretty much a translation of the US one, including the same errors
14:19:28scorcheBagder: what is the issue this time?
14:19:36Bagderthe same Tetris
14:19:41Genre9mp3A tick tick tick tick would be better (this will confuse users and start thinking that they have to use EAC from now on) :P
14:19:49scorcherockblox didnt take care of that?
14:20:03preglowBagder: how nice
14:20:05Bagderscorche: these guys probably haven't noticed or don't care, I don't know
14:20:22*scorche wishes he was on the committers ml
14:20:39preglowhave i mentioned i hate idiots?
14:20:41BagderZagor's been talking with some swedish lawyers about it now, so we feel on the safe side
14:20:43webguest69I do use EAC to uberstandard
14:21:04preglowespecially no-good idiots
14:21:16Rincewindscorche: if you mean the dev mailing list, why don't you join?
14:21:21peturyou know good idiots?
14:21:31Genre9mp3preglow: Are there any good idiots?
14:21:35scorcheRincewind: if i had meant the dev mailing list, i would have said that ;)
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14:21:47jhMikeSforest gump?
14:21:51scorcheoops...did i talk about the secret ml?
14:21:54RincewindI didn't know that there is another one
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14:21:56*scorche get a knock on the door
14:22:12*Bagder writes down scorche's name on the list of people to deal with
14:22:46*scorche finally sees an opportunity to go to bed
14:22:58preglowyou've done it now
14:23:28*Bagder makes his most secret look
14:23:49tucozBagder, I don't know but ubuntu seems to be happy with just writing T*tris clone
14:24:21Bagdertucoz: well, they of course make their own decision
14:24:42Bagderwe did get lawyer input on the name issue
14:25:25tucozI know. I just checked my apt repositories to see what other "falling blocks game" distributors did.
14:25:40Genre9mp3These law issues can be pretty dumb and annoying some times
14:26:01Bagderyeah, but they can also turn serious unless dealt with properly
14:26:24jhMikeSThanks the lawyers and the ones you didn't really want to vote for but had no choice
14:26:51amiconnBagder: I'm still wondering about that c&d. We clearly used a different name than they have trademarked
14:27:05tucozmaybe it is the fact that apple have released their new fw that allows people to buy tetris etc that caused this.
14:27:06Bagderdifferent yes, but not necessarily different enough
14:27:11Bagderthat would be up to a court to tell
14:27:22tucozthat's what make rockbox a competitor in this case
14:27:23Bagderwas it "confusingly similar" or not
14:27:34amiconnAnd regarding 'similar sounding' - ask a Greek what tetr(a) stands for
14:27:57jhMikeSoops...I'm not greek so I don't know that
14:27:59Bagderand why is that related?
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14:29:08jhMikeScall it quadrox
14:29:21Genre9mp3How "rockblox" is "confusingly similar" to T3tr1s ?
14:29:26Bagdersure we could argue that it was different enough and risk them suing us (the individuals they mailed)
14:29:47jhMikeSshould find a way to sue them
14:29:51BagderGenre9mp3: we're talking about "tetrox"
14:29:57tucozmaybe get help from GNU?
14:30:03peturjhMikeS: waste of money
14:30:05tucozor is this impossible?
14:30:10Genre9mp3Yeah... but that's already changed
14:30:19Bagderthe first C&D mail was sent to a US citizen
14:30:25Bagdergetting sued there is COSTLY
14:30:32Bagdereven if you're cleared
14:31:04Bagderwe don't want that put on a poor single person
14:31:11LinusNin any case, you should always pick your fights
14:31:23jhMikeSTheres a fish food called Tetra Min...maybe they should be alerted to that
14:31:23LinusNand this fight is just not worth it
14:31:25Bagderit wasn't like the name was the best ever
14:31:50LinusNi like rockblox better than tetrox
14:31:55Bagderme too
14:31:58Genre9mp3Bagder: I can't understand why it's _still_ an issue...
14:32:00jhMikeSAnything starting with tetr- is fair game :)
14:32:19BagderGenre9mp3: because they haven't paid attention to the rename
14:32:29tucozIf this issue is not settled, it would be interesting to see what other open source projects have done in case they recieved a C&D letter. And also how the falling blocks company reacted in those cases.
14:32:31Bagderthey also claim copyright of the actual game play
14:32:40Bagdereven the fact that the game is higher than wide
14:32:46Bagderand the creation of blocks
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14:32:55Bagderthey're insane
14:32:56LinusN...and a score table
14:33:16Bagdertucoz: check "quinn"
14:33:29Bagderthey got the C&D this summer
14:33:32jhMikeSdo they have any other thing they've ever invented?
14:34:03Bagderthey now call it "a falling-block game" or something now
14:34:36BagderjhMikeS: I think they're too busy threatening people all over the world, to be able to do anything real
14:35:14jhMikeSBagder: they should spend the money paying creative people instead of lawyers imo
14:35:30LinusNi don't think the trademark issue is anything to get upset about
14:35:41Bagdernah, it'll go away
14:35:56tucozno, but the fact that they pursue the game play of t****s
14:36:11jhMikeSupdate to 6106 shortly...hopefully to settle it...but don'k know about the exception thing
14:36:27LinusNjhMikeS: i'll try it out
14:36:37tucozI can not care less what it is called. But it must be a shot in the dark for them to sue people because they make clones.
14:37:07jhMikeSI can't image why there should be any crash except maybe something to do with the asynchronous stopping...
14:37:16Bagdertucoz: I'd say they just try to scare people off, without having any real legal backup for it
14:37:40Genre9mp3Bagder: for what?
14:37:45Bagderand the law firms do it since they have no moral and get paid
14:38:02tucozBagder, it certainly looks like it (given the impossible fact to sue everyone distributing a clone)
14:38:08jhMikeSLinusN: does this look right for the iRiver: IIS1CONFIG = (freq_ent[FPARM_CLOCKSEL] << 12) | (4 << 2);
14:38:08BagderGenre9mp3: claiming copyright of the game play etc
14:38:22jhMikeSLeave output digital zero
14:38:32Genre9mp3Yes.. but what they are hoping to gain? $$$ ?
14:38:47BagderGenre9mp3: yes, by erasing "competitors"
14:38:53LinusNjhMikeS: yes it looks correct. however, i tried that and it didn't work for me
14:39:07LinusNjhMikeS: but otoh, my test was a kludge at best
14:39:28jhMikeSI thought you tried following the clock...but you can't follow IIS2RECVData
14:39:53jhMikeSSince IIS2 is transmit only :\
14:40:00LinusNGenre9mp3, Bagder: they have lots of work to do: :-)
14:40:05nudelynThe Tetris Company have been very litigious for years.
14:40:26LinusNjhMikeS: i'll try your patch when you submit it
14:40:43Bagderanyone heard anything more regarding the german name issue?
14:40:45tucozLinusN, hehe
14:40:56daurnimatorwhy are there no devices with 40gb+ storage
14:40:58jhMikeSJust test building it now
14:41:14LinusNdaurnimator: ipod?
14:41:17Bagderdaurnimator: there are many
14:41:27daurnimatorBagder: one with ogg support
14:41:37LinusNdaurnimator: ipod with rockbox?
14:41:41Bagderor x5
14:41:51LinusNx5, yes
14:41:55Bagdereven plays ogg in OF, doesn't it?
14:42:02daurnimatori hate control layout of x5
14:42:07tucozI should download the original t**ris and set up a webserver selling copies of it. Just to see what happens ;)
14:42:15LinusNdaurnimator: but it is a device
14:42:15daurnimatori can't stand ipod OF
14:42:23Bagder<daurnimator> why are there no devices with 40gb+ storage
14:42:43Bagderthere's even more if you don't want Rockbox on it
14:42:46daurnimatorwell, why aren't there any i find appealing
14:43:05daurnimatori want ogg - doesn't have to be rockbox (though preferable ;) )
14:43:25nudelyn <−− prior art, surely :-)
14:43:26Genre9mp3FreeTrix, TetriBox, TechTris, Bloxter, Cutetrix... LOL
14:43:30Rincewindiriver H140 with hdd-upgrade = 60gb
14:43:34daurnimator(also around h3xx size)
14:43:47Bagderso h3x0 with disk upgrade! ;-)
14:44:09daurnimatorwas thinking that - but it gets expensive
14:45:32markundaurnimator: most korean players support ogg vorbis
14:45:52daurnimatorall korean players seem to be flash based - or large pvps
14:46:53nudelynI think so long as the game isn't called Tetris it's fine.
14:47:03markunSamsung YEPP YH-J70 20GB
14:48:01LinusNwhat do we think about this patch?
14:48:16LinusNi think "yes"
14:48:47JdGordonhmm... im having lots of problems with my sisters new nano here (1G w rockbox), right now it wornt turn on, and it keeps crashing and then efusing to turn on...?
14:49:00*JdGordon sounds like a typical noobie :p
14:49:10Rincewindwow, blind and a programmer!
14:49:18nudelynyeah I was just thinking that
14:49:26markunHe's not the only one
14:49:27JdGordonmenu + select wont even start it
14:49:32LinusNhow he does it is beyond me
14:49:51nudelynmaybe he can read really large fonts or something, but not a small DAP screen
14:50:05JdGordontext to speach?
14:50:09peturstill.... respect
14:50:13markunLinusN: Zendefera told me he actually uses a screen reader :)
14:50:18RincewindI can't imagine text-to-speech software is good at voicing indentation and punctuation...
14:50:22daurnimatormarkun: awww, no dpad
14:50:39markunHe also has a braille terminal, but that's too slow during programming
14:50:43JdGordonRincewind: if your blind, indentation means as much as it does to the compiler
14:51:08nudelynI remember the funny way the Amiga's speech software used to say / (SLAAAAASH)
14:51:15Rincewindok, but he still has to write the code...
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14:52:16daurnimatordebugging code when blind
14:52:55JdGordondaurnimator: if its spelt it could make it easier... youd hear the single = instead of double == and find it instanlty... instead of looking for it
14:53:12daurnimator"dash, greater than,vee,ay,arr,ei,arr,bb,le"
14:53:33JdGordonhehe ye :D
14:54:34*petur gets msg from admin: disconnect in 5 mins
14:54:56daurnimator"var, 2, equals, three, divided by, open bracket, 1, 2, plus, 3, 1, openbracket, vee,air,ei,arr,ble, close bracket, closebract"
14:55:34jhMikeSLinusN: it's there
14:56:16amiconnJdGordon: It probably doesn't work because of button actions ;)
14:56:35JdGordonamiconn: scorche tested it and he says it does
14:56:43RincewindI could imagine he reads the source file with his braille, keeps most of the file in memory and then jumps to the point he wants to edit and starts writing.
14:57:27Rincewindbut debugging and editing multiple files would still be very hard
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14:57:57*jhMikeS *anticipating more disaster*
15:01:17daurnimatorhave there ever been rockbox meetups?
15:02:24daurnimatorany others?
15:04:19daurnimatorif only sweden wasn't many thousands of kilometers away
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15:06:09webguest74JdGordon: I cant edit my random_folder_advance_config file, nothing shows up in the directory, I did follow the instructions on the wiki
15:06:40JdGordonyour supposed to run that file, it creates a new file
15:06:45JdGordonthat is a plugin
15:06:45daurnimatori hope to come one day - just gotta get money & spare time
15:07:00daurnimator2009? ;)
15:07:23webguest74jdGordon: ok, you've lost me, how do i use this feature
15:07:24*JdGordon hopes to come to devcon 08 if its in feb
15:07:50daurnimatordepends if i get money for 18th :P
15:07:52*JdGordon hopes to meet my heavy metal buddy in sweden about then for a vaction of non stop swedish chicks and metal :D
15:08:05jhMikeShmmm brand new H120 on ebay is bid to $189
15:08:27JdGordonwebguest74: menu > browse plugins > random_folder_advance_config, generate list, exit, enable the auto-change diretctory setting
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15:08:39daurnimatorhow much is an 80gb ipod?
15:08:49daurnimatori want the hdd :P
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15:10:13jhMikeSJdGordon: what about teh other part? I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad :)
15:10:29JdGordonwhich ther part?
15:10:30webguest74JdGordon, ok I've generated the file, but when i go to 'Edit' it doesn't show anything
15:10:46JdGordonwebguest74: hmm.. odd
15:10:47jhMikeSYou got the sex, you got the rock 'n' roll
15:11:04JdGordonamsterdam for the drugs
15:11:34webguest74>Edit Folder List shows nothing, it says folders xxx in the top left of the display
15:11:45daurnimator$2000 to sweden :S
15:12:00jhMikeSwalk there :)
15:12:31JdGordonwebguest74: u definatly generated the list before trying to edit?
15:12:38JdGordondaurnimator: thats not too bad
15:12:47webguest74JdGordon yes
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15:12:59daurnimatorits enough for a few weeks
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15:14:10daurnimatorwell - cheapest is AirFrance @ $1937 , it goes up to $12000 still in economy
15:14:44webguest74JdGordon: if I'm in the 'edit folders' screen, and I hold navi down, I can faintly see characters scrolling in the screen, but very faintly
15:15:32jhMikeSLinusN: you there? I have it up
15:15:45LinusNjhMikeS: compiling...
15:15:53JdGordonwebguest74: have u got a tiny font set or something?
15:16:06webguest74nimbus 12
15:16:20*jhMikeS needs his diapers
15:16:24JdGordonhmm... no idea... try exiting and reloading it
15:16:30webguest74now its stuck in a loop between the edit screen and save and exit
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15:16:40daurnimatorare vietnam airlines a plane company, or a missile?
15:16:40JdGordonyou dont actually need to edit it at all
15:16:56daurnimatorcause... they're rather cheap
15:17:01JdGordondaurnimator: what site are u looking at?
15:17:04daurnimatorbut i like to GET to my destination
15:17:29jhMikeSI guess they don't bother learning to land the plane but they get you there
15:17:34webguest74JdGordon, does it scan all the files on my player and Only playback mp3 files ?
15:17:37daurnimatorvietnam airlines start at $1253
15:17:57JdGordonwebguest74: just the folders
15:18:35webguest74I use file tree and have a few non mp3 folders as well, will it ignore those ?
15:18:48daurnimatorare Austrian Airlines any good?
15:19:04JdGordonthats the QANTAS one to SE asia isnt it?
15:19:15webguest74Austrain are good
15:19:23daurnimator... its austrian - not australian
15:19:27JdGordonhehe woops
15:19:33JdGordonwebguest74: yes
15:19:50LinusNjhMikeS: playback works, recording is silent and the crash is still there (might be voice related)
15:19:57webguest74pk, so after generating i just select play ?
15:20:05daurnimatormethinks i'll go on a trip next year
15:20:10jhMikeSstill no peaks showing?
15:20:28*JdGordon thinks the wiki page isnt clear enough
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15:20:44LinusNjhMikeS: no, nothing
15:20:53webguest74JdGordon, after generating the file, do i just select play ?
15:21:17JdGordonwebguest74: yes
15:21:29webguest74on any file ?
15:21:34jhMikeSrrrrrr...wonder how that could be. IIS1 should now be generating the clock for WSO
15:21:46LinusNjhMikeS: beats me
15:21:49JdGordondaurnimator: ^71
15:22:12daurnimatortravel insurance
15:22:20daurnimatorwith mp3 players, laptops etc covered
15:22:22JdGordonstupid bloody americans stealing the city name
15:22:26daurnimatorits heaps :S
15:23:31daurnimatorJdGordon: theres $470 in that list
15:23:40*webguest74 would really like to get random folder to work
15:24:02JdGordondaurnimator: its from melbourne florida, USA, and in USD
15:24:14daurnimatorah. hahaha
15:24:31daurnimatorwe're better anyway
15:24:35jhMikeSLinusN: you got a reset on the settings? hmmm
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15:24:42daurnimatormelbourne searches on google are all us
15:24:52daurnimatorharldy EVER get usa results
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15:25:21webguest74try expedia.xx
15:25:49*JdGordon goes to bed
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15:26:48LinusNjhMikeS: yes, i have reset the settings
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15:28:36amiconnBagder: Does the build system do concurrent hand-out of builds nowadays?
15:28:42webguest74damn, I still haven't got JdG's random patch to work
15:28:51Bagderconcurrent hand-out of builds?
15:28:54daurnimatorwell, i can get to sweden
15:29:04daurnimatorbut i can't afford to take anything with me :P
15:29:24Bagderamiconn: afaik, it has always done that
15:29:31amiconnI mean, when all builds are already assigned to a build server, but not all returned yet, hand out not-yet-returned builds to idle server
15:29:46Bagderah, that
15:30:25amiconnThen use the result from the server which returns it first
15:30:51amiconnCould help to decrease total build time a little bit, because of 2 effects
15:30:58Bagderindeed it would
15:31:09jhMikeShmmm bit 6 in the i2s register maybe
15:31:35jhMikeSmmm dunno
15:31:50webguest74anyone know how to initiate play with JdGordons Random Folder plugin ?
15:31:55amiconn(1) A fast server could do the total build in less time than a slower server which already started the build. (2) Since that means fast servers will do more builds, they would get even faster because of better ccache usage
15:31:59amiconn(less aging)
15:32:03LinusNjhMikeS: which one?
15:32:29daurnimatorgnight all
15:32:42jhMikeSSEL_SOURCE in the uda i2s register says 0 for digital output to decimator
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15:33:48godzirraApparently ephpod
15:33:53godzirra+ 5.5g = can't see your music
15:34:19jhMikeSI don't know...I'm just guessing at this...if I could try and test myself I'd probably have it in 30min :(
15:34:50daurnimatorok, just a note: all usa flight sites have more expensive stuff that nativly
15:36:01LinusNjhMikeS: probably
15:37:34daurnimatorLinusN: when is peak/off-peak tourist season for you guys
15:38:04Bagderthe 364 days we don't have summer ;-)
15:38:06LinusNtourists? in sweden? haha! :-)
15:38:25LinusNsummer in sweden is the best day of the year
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15:39:28*jhMikeS gives up...maybe once I get my H1x0
15:39:37daurnimatoruh, surely you gets lots of skiers etc
15:40:01Bagderdaurnimator: not to Stockholm
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15:40:34jhMikeSI think master mode could be enabled for recording...the way it's set up it doesn't have anything to do with the inputs
15:40:43Bagderand skiers from further away don't come to Sweden, they go to the alps
15:41:27daurnimatori assume you can get by on english
15:41:32LinusNoh yes
15:41:38Bagderso winter-time in Stockholm is pretty off-season
15:42:11*daurnimator wonders why you have devcon in winter
15:42:19LinusNjhMikeS: i'll try it on my dev-h100 at home, where i can measure the signals
15:42:38Bagderdaurnimator: why not? sitting indoors for a few days it doesn't really matter when we have it
15:42:44LinusNdaurnimator: to scare the foreign devs off
15:42:45jhMikeSWould so appreciate that...would love to get it working
15:43:06Genre9mp3daurnimator: It's cheaper to travel off-season ;)
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15:43:19daurnimatorwell, i'd love to come, but, at the heart of winter, i don't know how i'd go backpacking through the rest of europe
15:43:48*LinusN doesn't see the connection between backpacking and devcon
15:44:03Bagderand there's no date set for any upcoming devcon
15:44:16daurnimatori'm not going to spend $2000 for a single week of rockbox deving :P
15:44:23LinusNi'd like to have it in spring-07
15:44:32Bagderme too
15:44:49LinusNor next weekend :-P
15:45:01daurnimatorwell, gnight all
15:45:22*linuxstb is scared of devcons - they cause madness as demonstrated by the suggestion of release dates ...
15:46:17godzirralinuxstb: hey, do you have the search function on your 5g upgraded to 1.2?
15:47:06Genre9mp3heh... it seems that 3.0 will be released after the 3.1 eta
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15:49:15Bagderwe don't need no stinking releases
15:49:23LinusNamen to that
15:49:52LinusNwe need releases that don't stink :-)
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15:52:52LinusNjhMikeS: it looks like we need a target tree approach to the audio/codec stuff
15:53:08LinusNreally messy as it is now
15:53:33jhMikeSLinusN: you mean SW/HW?
15:54:26linuxstbgodzirra: If you're talking about a feature of the Apple firmware, I've no idea - I've never started it.
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15:54:28LinusNi mean the code in pcm_playback.c and pcm_record.c
15:55:10LinusNcodec in this context means the tlv and the uda
15:56:37jhMikeSok...the DMA stuff too for sure
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15:58:09jhMikeSIf this gets to working right I already have plans to unmeld the code that does recording (buffers, encoders, etc) from the DMA itself and register setting.
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15:59:31jhMikeSI'm thinking about a reverse interface from the pcm_playback that calls back when it has more data
16:00:44LinusNsounds reasonable
16:00:52jhMikeSmost of the code in pcm_record.c can be sort of mid-level like pcm_buffer
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16:02:20jhMikeSLinusN: are you saying you'd have files in the target tree like tlv320-x5.c ?
16:03:35LinusNjhMikeS: no, more like pcm-x5.c
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16:04:04LinusNand maybe also pcm-coldfire.c
16:04:26LinusNfor the coldfire common stuff
16:04:37LinusNi haven't really thought it out
16:04:44jhMikeSIMO all the DMA stuff for in/out could be in one file...just basic audio data transfer
16:05:10jhMikeStarget specific functions in the proper place of course
16:05:41godzirralinuxstb: ok, was just curious. Someone said the search function was only in the 5.5g's, not in the upgraded 5g's. If thats the case, then apple has a lot of 5.5g's that they dont have the serials listed for on their website.
16:05:53LinusNwell, the dma is still platform specific
16:05:53godzirraWas trying to get independent confirmation of this.
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16:06:46jhMikeSyou said it...pcm-coldfire...then for more specific if needed pcm-x5/h300 etc
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16:08:59LinusNjhMikeS: then we're on the same track
16:09:28jhMikeSbut the DMA itself isn't so different for the coldfires
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16:09:56jhMikeSThe shuffling about of stuff is easy compared to getting a UDA to with with WSPLL in slave mode :)
16:11:47jhMikeSI mean I tried to keep the whole thing to MONSTER size and not go to BEHEMOTH size
16:13:59linuxstbgodzirra: I'm running the Apple firmware now, and can't see a search function, but I haven't got any music copied to it via itunes. Out of interest, what is the Model number displayed in the About screen on your ipod?
16:14:01jhMikeSCode name: the Saturn patch. Could have been the Jupiter patch.
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16:15:56godzirralinuxstb: let me check.
16:16:21godzirraWhere does it show model number?
16:16:25godzirraand having music doesnt matter
16:16:31godzirramine was empty when I confirmed it had the search feature
16:16:37godzirraso it seems like apple's list of serials is wrong.
16:17:10jhMikeSThe first codec patch was 308kb and this is 371 so it's not so bad :)
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16:19:23linuxstbgodzirra: Settings->About
16:19:47anjonoob here - i just flashed my 4g, installed rockbox, rebooted, all seems fine. how do i get flac playback to work?
16:20:14linuxstbHave you copied some FLAC files to your ipod's hard disk?
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16:20:56anjono. i tried using amarok to transfer but it refused saying genertic player cannot plackback.
16:21:01linuxstbgodzirra: Mine is MA146FB (a 30GB).
16:21:48*godzirra nods.
16:21:52godzirrai'm guessing thats the original 5g.
16:21:59godzirramines 30GB too
16:22:19linuxstbanjo: Rockbox is completely unrelated to itunes and the itunesdb. Just copy the flac files to your ipod as you would copy them to any other hard disk - i.e. drag and drop.
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16:25:23anjothat is too cool :-D you guys & gals rock !!
16:25:30anjothanks linuxstb
16:26:24anjoabout time this ipod worked as i wanted.
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16:27:25linuxstbgodzirra: Yes, I bought mine at the end of 2005 - shortly after it was released.
16:27:36anjook, flac playback works fine and iriver loses one sale :-)
16:27:44godzirraoh well.
16:27:48godzirraI've got a ninja 5.5
16:28:18linuxstbIt could be interesting to ask others what their model numbers are - it would be an easy way to identify the rogue 5gs.
16:29:08anjoany must have plugins etc / tweaks for a rockbox install? i only want to play music, not video or apps etc.
16:29:20linuxstbHmm... On the back of my ipod, it says "Model AJ136" and (C) 2005 Apple Computers, Inc.
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16:30:39linuxstbanjo: There is a known problem on the 4g where Rockbox freezes randomly... If you experience that, try the unofficial build here:
16:30:40godzirraA1136 here
16:30:50linuxstbAs for plugins, all the plugins come with Rockbox - you already have them installed.
16:30:58godzirraModel A1136 EMC
16:31:17linuxstbSorry, just wiped some dust off it - mine is A1136 EMC as well :)
16:31:44godzirraWell, ending in V9M seems to be a 5.5g
16:31:58linuxstbActually, "Model No.: A1136" and "EMC No.: 2065"
16:32:01godzirraI've had two that end in V9M and both have the search function
16:32:11godzirrasame EMC No. I have
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16:32:22linuxstbWhat's the (C) date?
16:32:28anjothanks again linuxstb , i'll dig around some in all these options. cheers
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16:33:02linuxstbSo externally they seem identical...
16:33:18*godzirra nods
16:33:27Arathison my H10 the "Music" dir is only present if I use "show files: all" . any idea how this can be?
16:33:47linuxstbIs that the directory the iriver firmware uses for music?
16:33:56Arathisyes, it is
16:34:23Arathisbtw my tag-cache won't initialize too. this myight be related to each other
16:34:24linuxstbIf it's not shown, then it means either the "hidden" or (I think) "system" attribute is set on that folder.
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16:34:48Arathishow can I change this with linux?
16:34:52linuxstbI didn't think tagcache would take account of that attribute though.
16:35:24linuxstbYou will probably need mtools. Or create another directory, move the contents and then rename.
16:35:44Arathisi'll try, thanks so far
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16:50:58Slasheritagcache doesn't check any attributes
16:58:39ArathisSlasheri: so what's the problem than?
16:59:17Arathisthe files are there, I can play them, but tag-cache either won't find them or just is currupted itself
17:00:40ArathisI didn't change anything else than the firmware (RB to RB) yesterday, but since than tag-cache just says "creating tag-cache... [1/7]" but doesn't do anything.
17:01:01Arathiseven if I reinitialize it the busy icon doesn't apear as it should
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17:23:28SlasheriArathis: remove the tagcache_tmp.tcd from .rockbox and try again
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17:23:42Slasheriit's possible that you have got a corrupt temporary file
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17:35:54godzirraSigh. no matter how I add stuff to itunes it adds two of each song.
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18:00:59PaulJamJdGordon: if you read the logs: in the randon_folder_advance_config plugin in the screen to edit the list, the line on top is overlapping the list when you use a larger font (nimbus12 in my case). (h300)
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18:06:55PaulJamJdGordon: and another issue: it would be better if removed folders were removed from the list instead of appearing as blank lines in the list.
18:10:30Captain_Ahey I have a question and have checked the manual and found nothing
18:11:13Captain_Ahow do I save in rockboy? I know you hit hold then save game then type in the name, but don't know how to enter that as the save name
18:11:17Captain_Aon an ipod 5g
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18:12:55Captain_Ano idea what to do
18:13:10Captain_Asame problem with saving a config
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18:27:06Captain_Aah thanks nls
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18:45:07RogerBaconhi, anyone here work porting rockbox to gigabeat s ?
18:45:10RogerBaconwe really need it
18:46:01RogerBacon- MTP - No customizable interface - Lack of fonction - Not playing another format like ogg ....
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18:48:34linuxstbRogerBacon: I don't think so.
18:49:35RogerBaconand the player have no custom EQ
18:49:42RogerBaconanyway ...
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20:05:07godzirraAnyone know why when I import my music into itunes it duplicates every song?
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20:07:39ikke33anyone here who can help me?
20:07:53PaulJamdepends on your problem
20:07:56ikke33i've just installed rockbox on my ipod 5g video
20:08:08ikke33but when i click to play music i can't hear anything
20:08:28ikke33my sound is on 0db
20:08:39ikke33and i dind't change anything
20:09:02ikke33another thing
20:09:25ikke33is there a way i change back and forth to the rockbox/apple OS?
20:09:44obohold menu as it boots to go back to the apple os
20:09:56ikke33only menu?
20:10:07oboyup - and very early in the boot process
20:10:10Davide-NYCjhMikeS: how is the patch? I just read about playback and all that... any info on v2.2 on iriver?
20:10:24obokeep it held down until you see "Booting origional firmware" or something like that
20:11:10ikke33i don't get any msg
20:11:20ikke33yeah something like
20:11:27ikke33repeat all
20:12:04obothat's the quick menu - you need to hold menu *as it boots* - ie as you turn it on
20:12:18PaulJamDavide-NYC: for your codec performance test, wouldn't something like this be better than measuring the boost ratio?
20:13:18Davide-NYCPaulJam: not quite but very close
20:13:22Davide-NYC"Only works on single file playlists."
20:14:08Davide-NYCI love the transcode Idea.
20:14:15ikke33works thanks
20:14:31ikke33do u have any idea why i can't play music with rockbox?
20:15:21obodoes the GUI show the file playing? ie, if you're still using the default WPS, are the peakmeters active?
20:15:38ikke33nothing moves
20:15:53ikke33it's stuck on 0.00 sec
20:16:09obowhat kind of files are they?
20:16:16ikke33and when i try to go back to the root menu, i can't anymore :s
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20:16:21ikke33music files
20:16:40oboany images embedded into the tags?
20:17:00ikke33can't see any images
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20:17:54ikke33srry, i'm very new to this
20:18:01ikke33just installed it now
20:18:10ikke33because i wanted games on my ipod ^^
20:18:23obotheres something about that file that rb doesn't like, it sounds like it's causing it to hang...
20:18:46oborockbox :)
20:19:40ikke33well yeah, but now that i know that i can still go back to the apple firmware, i'm pretty satisfied
20:19:48ikke33offcourse i'd like everything to work
20:20:12obohow many audio files did you try it on?
20:20:14ikke33but i was getting afraid i broke everything :p
20:20:28ikke33one actually
20:20:31ikke33i'll try other
20:20:35oboit's very hard to brick an ipod... I don't think rockbox has broken any yet
20:21:04ikke33lol :)
20:21:13LearNot sure I like what crossfeed does to the bass on some tracks... :)
20:21:39ikke33how strange this is
20:21:47ikke33i click on another mp3
20:21:50ikke33to play it
20:22:09ikke33but he keeps trying to play the previous file i had problems with
20:22:32ikke33so he won't play at all
20:22:52Leardid you restart in between?
20:23:10oboand do you have auto-resume enabled?
20:23:16ikke33i think so
20:23:36oboboot your ipod with hold on - that will reset the rb settings
20:24:45ikke33it works
20:24:51ikke33big tanks :)
20:25:19ikke33still have time for one last question? :p
20:25:20obogood stuff :)
20:25:37ikke33do you know how to load games on ipod?
20:25:52ikke33are they allready installed or do i need to download them from somewhere
20:26:12obothey're installed - checkout the plugins section on the wiki
20:26:18Learsome games are ready to go, other need data files and the like.
20:26:20ikke33ok thx
20:26:22oboyou need to download some extra files for some (ie doom)...
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21:40:03linuxstbamiconn: Do you have any alternative suggestions to solve the screens->bitmap() warnings?
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21:54:23RedKriegis there any way to accelerate scrolling? I have something like 1000 bands and it takes minutes to find the one I want
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21:55:25linuxstbRedKrieg: What player are you using?
21:55:58RedKriegrockbox, daily build from 10/8
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21:56:16jhMikeSDavide-NYC: LinusN says he's gonna check some stuff on his dev-H100 and see what's going on with receiving data.
21:56:39linuxstbRedKrieg: I mean which device? iriver, cowon, ipod?
21:57:02Davide-NYCAre you talking about optical/SPDIF I/O? If so, where are we with that? I'm confused.
21:57:22jhMikeSNo...just getting data to the CPU with normal recording
21:57:32jhMikeSSPDIF would probably work just fine
21:57:44Davide-NYCthis is for encoding on the fly...
21:58:07Davide-NYChow is the v2.2 patch?
21:58:15Davide-NYCready for testing?
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21:58:32jhMikeSYou can play back but you'll get silence trying to recording anything.
21:58:34RedKrieglinuxstb, sorry, video ipod
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21:59:23jhMikeSDavide-NYC: The chip setup changed and of course I'm stuck with waiting for others to check...hrmph
22:00:15Davide-NYCIn that case I will also wait. I would be of no use if I can;t record.
22:00:15linuxstbRedKrieg: There's an experimental patch for accelerated scrolling on the ipod, but I haven't tried it. It's included in (I think) most of the "unsupported" Rockbox builds available here:
22:00:45RedKrieglinuxstb, thanks!
22:00:58jhMikeSIf that worked I'd probably commit the thing...there's probably a solvable reason since it's supposed to work...just got some stupid thing wrong.
22:02:54Davide-NYCjhMikeS: did you see the flyspray lpugin request for a transcoder plugin?
22:03:38Davide-NYCthis is a truly great idea.
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22:05:09linuxstbDavide-NYC: The idea's been talked about since Rockbox first got swcodec playback. Everyone agrees it's a good idea though.
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22:05:52Davide-NYCYeah, with benchmarking we could ask the users to do tests and then upload the resulting file somewhere.
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22:06:39Davide-NYCPeople who can't code but want to help could do this.
22:07:19jhMikeSDavide-NYC: don't we have transcoder plugins? mp3_encoder and wav2wv?
22:07:59Davide-NYCthis would be more general.
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22:08:51Davide-NYCI don;t have those plugins anymore! (maybe I killed them with my overzealous nogames patch) :-)
22:09:27jhMikeSYou can't have two codecs running simultaneously
22:10:01Davide-NYCit would be codec−−>WAV OR WAV−−>codec
22:10:04jhMikeSpreglow, amiconn and I were talking about doing this though but it would require relocatable code.
22:10:12Davide-NYCnot both at the same time.
22:10:36Davide-NYCum... lost (as usual)
22:10:44jhMikeSIt's sexier to do em without an intermediate file but yeah writing a wav file is an option.
22:11:29Davide-NYCthe idea Paul_The_Nerd had was to not write the output file but instead write a logfile that would give decoding performance.
22:11:50jhMikeSReally would only need a raw pcm file
22:12:01Davide-NYCI suppose.
22:12:31jhMikeScan do that I guess
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22:14:52jhMikeSPlaying with peakmeter code for playback...the peaks make sense even when super over loaded
22:15:29lowlightlostlogic needs to reimpliment his null playback timer (
22:15:36linuxstbjhMikeS: Transcoding could be done by codec swapping, the same way as voice works.
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22:16:19jhMikeSyes but I'd love to just pipe one into the other ideally that is
22:16:20LinusNjhMikeS: there?
22:16:34jhMikeSfind out anything?
22:16:35Davide-NYCguys, the idea (in my mind at least) would be to give the users a simple process with which we could generate lots and lots of standardized results for both battery_bench and codec_performance.
22:16:42LinusNthe wso clock is generated
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22:17:15LinusNso it is not the clock generation but something else
22:17:37jhMikeSlr clk?
22:17:51LinusNi can also see that the wsi and wso clocks are not synched
22:18:07LinusNbut that's to be expected i guess
22:18:12jhMikeSI mean...all clocks are present in the interface though?
22:18:29LinusNi only connected the ws clock
22:18:50LinusNbut i can connect the bit clk as well if you wish
22:19:06jhMikeSHmmm....I'd be curious about the data line too...just for sanity
22:19:27jhMikeSAre you watching this on a scope?
22:19:34LinusNlogic analyzer
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22:20:10LinusNjhMikeS: ditto
22:21:12Dma-ScGenre9mp3: i finished my WPS and posted it on the wiki, if you want to check it out ;)
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22:23:49jhMikeSLinusN: for the other two?
22:25:12Genre9mp3Dma-Sc: Very nice! I like it... clean and nice design.... though I don't have (sort of) an H100 player :P
22:25:50Genre9mp3Dma-Sc: And wow... 20 battery levels.. sounds precise indeed ;)
22:26:09Dma-Scah thanks :)
22:26:24jhMikeSLinusN: You said you tried SCLK, LRCK follow IIS1? Why wouldn't the two clocks be synced if the cf is providing them?
22:28:52LinusNthey are in synch, but they do not align
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22:29:32jhMikeSweird...but you have data too?
22:29:41LinusNok, bclk is active as well, and there is activity on the data line as well
22:29:42Dma-ScGenre9mp3: it may be quite "crowded" to some, but small fonts aren't good for a fast look in the pocket ;)
22:30:02jhMikeSI mean if they're both from the cf why are they not in phase?
22:30:15LinusNbut the data seems to be static
22:30:39LinusNjhMikeS: maybe because they were not activated at the same time
22:31:22LinusNi believe they are implemented as simple counters
22:31:34jhMikeSahh...not dividers
22:32:24LinusNanyway, this tells us that the clock generation works, and the fault is either in the uda or the dma
22:32:42jhMikeSnot sure what you mean by static data
22:32:50LinusNit is the same all the time
22:32:58Genre9mp3Dma-Sc: As long as everything is placed in a "logical" way, big fonts is a big advantage for a wps IMO
22:34:04Genre9mp3Dma-Sc: Nimbus and nedore are my favorite fonts (though the second one is considered to be a small one)
22:34:19jhMikeShow could the DMA cause that since it's an input?
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22:34:56LinusNjhMikeS: beats me
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22:35:42LinusNdma seems to work
22:36:04LinusNso it must be the uda adc
22:36:16LinusNlots of 3-letter acronyms today :-)
22:36:19jhMikeSIn conclusion: got clocks, but the same data the uda isn't putting new data on the line
22:37:08*jhMikeS will move his computer to padded room now
22:37:39Dma-ScGenre9mp3: yes nimbus is nice and clear as a 12pix font, it has to be especialy clear when text scrolls on that slowly refreshing H120 lcd ;)
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22:46:53webguest69i need help
22:47:43peturwho doesn't
22:51:12tucozwebguest69, tell us your problem, and then we might be able to help
22:51:34Bagderor don't and we can guess! ;-P
22:51:51bluebrotherhmm, where can I get a new crystal ball? ;-)
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22:51:55tucozNow, who is the greatest mind reader of us all
22:52:03bluebrotherommm ...
22:52:14hcsthat'd be MENTOK, THE MIND TAKER
22:52:17bluebrotherdoesn't work :)
22:52:53tucozbluebrother, somethings up with my tex install (or something else). I can not compile the manual anymore.
22:53:04Genre9mp3Maybe there's no problem...he might just wanted to test how willing to help we are! :)
22:54:02tucozbluebrother, it stops immediatley. ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. l.2 e wcommand{\platform}{h1xx}
22:54:15tucozI have no idea what to do
22:54:27Spidaadd a \begin{document}?
22:54:46tucozthere is a \begin{document}
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22:55:10Spidahm. did you try to compile a smaller tex-document?
22:55:39bluebrotherhmm. Did you try running latex manually on rockbox-build.tex?
22:55:59tucozSpida, yes. I just ran tex on the texbook.tex
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22:56:52tucozbluebrother, yes. same thing
22:57:02bluebrotheror the usual cure "make clean" and reconfiguring again?
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22:57:37tucozI did a complete checkout of the manual module, and deleted everything in my manual build dir
22:57:54tucozhmm. when i type latex, it says: this is pdftex
22:58:08tucozthis is pdfeTeX
22:58:22Spidahm, pdfetex != latex
22:58:48bluebrothertucoz, this is correct
22:58:57bluebrotherat least when I assume you're using tetex 3.0
22:59:03tucozI have started to forget what we do
22:59:32bluebrotherfor tetex 3 this is the default and also produces dvi files. latex is simply a symlink
22:59:35tucozyes. version 3.141592
22:59:52tucoz3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
22:59:55tucozto be exact
23:00:28bluebrotherhmm. Should be the same as I use.
23:00:36tucozI recently updated from dapper to edgy (ubuntu).
23:00:46*bluebrother is on Fedora
23:00:55tucozsomething probably happened. Wonder what
23:01:39peturheh, who uses pi as version number?
23:01:50bluebrotherLaTeX :)
23:02:14peturwhich digit do they increase for the next build?
23:02:18bluebrotherThis is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.4)
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23:02:23tucozit is quite nice to have pi as version number. It converges.
23:02:24bluebrotheralso a nice one :) pi
23:04:12tucozKnuth has several of those gimmicks. Like he gives out $2.56 to people finding errors in his books (1 hexdollar)
23:04:46*petur hates knuth and his CWEB
23:05:04*bluebrother likes the output of LaTeX
23:05:21petursure, but not mixed inside my c code
23:05:28bluebrotherbut his art of computer programming seems to be a really hard read.
23:06:03bluebrotherhehe, I once commented code with LaTeX formulae which got rendered for the doxygen docs. Really nice feature.
23:06:50bluebrotherdifferent thing: what do you guys think of a theme installer?
23:07:16bluebrotherI did one over the weekend. It takes tarred theme files and simply copies the content to right location
23:07:53*bluebrother remembers to diff that ...
23:07:59BigMactucoz:they released another ubuntu version?
23:08:11BigMacor do you mean you went from edgy to dapper
23:08:21tucozno the other way around
23:08:51bluebrotherhmm, isn't cvs diff -uN supposed to catch new files?
23:09:06tucozworks quite nice. But this error i am getting with latex is very annoying
23:09:14Bagderbluebrother: if you've cvs-added them, yes
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23:09:30bluebrotherah, which I haven't done.
23:10:35*BigMac <3s ubuntu
23:10:42BigMacbetter check it out
23:11:22tucozit's fun to use a system that gets 50 updates each day :)
23:13:46bawb2heh i heart gentoo
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23:15:53LinusNjhMikeS: hey, fm recording works
23:16:09LinusNit's only mic input that is borked
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23:17:11jhMikeSLinusN: what?
23:17:25*jhMikeS moves the computer from the padded room
23:17:43jhMikeSI wonder why...I didn't change the setup
23:17:56LinusNodd indeed
23:18:01jhMikeSWhat about line in?
23:18:12jhMikeSWell of course that muxed, duh
23:18:16LinusNwell, if fm works, why wouldn't line in?
23:18:21Davide-NYCand spdif/optical..
23:18:30*Davide-NYC ducks
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23:19:29jhMikeSI wonder if it will work using follow IIS2 instead of setting up the frequency explicitly
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23:19:48LinusNwould be interesting to test
23:20:11LinusNhmmm, i don't think it would work
23:20:19jhMikeSchange that one line
23:20:24jhMikeSwhy not?
23:21:42jhMikeSit's not following itself
23:22:10jhMikeSbork bork bork de micufooooon
23:23:38Davide-NYCswedish chef?
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23:29:20bluebrotherI get an interesting error
23:29:26tucozbluebrother, w00t
23:29:29bluebrother"Filetype string buffer empty"
23:29:30tucozi found out
23:29:43bluebrotherwhen adding a new entry to viewers.config.
23:29:50tucozI had sh->dash, but if i changed that to bash, it works
23:30:12bluebrotherso this message is a bit misleading as there is in fact something full ...
23:30:16bluebrothertucoz, dash?
23:30:26LearI get that too, when running the simulator...
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23:30:44Davide-NYCI've had it on target but a reset clears it
23:30:58Davide-NYCs/reset/clear settings
23:31:11tucozbluebrother, don't know why it is set to that.
23:32:08bluebrotherLear, have you added viewers?
23:32:47bluebrotherincreasing #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE 512 helped for me
23:33:03bluebrotherehm, in apps/filetypes.c
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23:35:30LinusNjhMikeS: when i selected Line In as the source, the mic started working
23:36:04LinusNbut i have to do it from the recording screen
23:36:55Learbluebrother: With 24 entries in viewers.config, that might be needed (not really sure how much space each line uses).
23:37:19LinusNjhMikeS: in fact, no matter which source i choose, the mic gets activated
23:37:42LinusNi.e i can't select the source from within the rec screen
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23:39:51Davide-NYCdoes jhMikeS patch allow for input change in the rec screen? Or do you mean rec menu screen
23:40:06*Davide-NYC gonna shut up now
23:40:17LinusNDavide-NYC: you enter the menu from withing the rec screen
23:40:31Davide-NYCwhat target?
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23:41:04jhMikeSx5 has no probs like that
23:42:08Davide-NYCpetur: help me out here... does the patch allow for input settings without going to the rec menu?
23:42:12jhMikeSLinusN: Howd the radio start then? Or was it from the FM recording screen
23:42:44amiconnjhMikeS: You don't need relocatable code for transcoding. Codec swap could also solve the problem of 2 codecs running
23:43:08peturDavide-NYC: no
23:43:09amiconnHowever, I don't see the point in having a transcoder plugins
23:43:33amiconnWhy waste battery on a thing that can be done way faster and without using battery on a PC?
23:43:40jhMikeSamiconn: Was thinking about the piping of data from one directly to the other with little delay but I know what you mean.
23:43:41LinusNjhMikeS: really odd
23:44:00amiconnJust record to wav (or wavpack) and encode to ogg vorbis or whatever you like at home
23:44:01jhMikeSI might have messed up the rec_set_source function for all I know
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23:44:40jhMikeSI wonder if it only has that behavior if you have SPDIF
23:46:01amiconnbluebrother: Do you know about the fm regios bug?
23:46:03bluebrothertheme installer at FS #6156 −− comments?
23:46:10bluebrotheramiconn, no.
23:46:22amiconnFM radio doesn't store the station anymore
23:46:31Davide-NYCjhMikeS: I have an H3x0 I could test on in a few minutes.
23:46:36bluebrotherwas offline this weekend.
23:46:43amiconnInstead, it jumps to somewhere within the band
23:47:01amiconnNot start, not end, but somewhere in the middle
23:47:14amiconnI only tested with Region == Europe
23:47:24bluebrotherthat's not nice.
23:47:40amiconnThat happens on at least 2 targets: Ondio FM and X5
23:47:53bluebrothermaybe this is caused by the don't-allow-wrong-values.
23:47:57amiconnDidn't try my other 2
23:47:59bluebrotherI'll look into it.
23:48:26amiconnHow is the value stored?
23:48:33amiconnMaybe it's a resolution problem?
23:48:59bluebrotherstrange, can't reproduce it on my h120
23:49:18amiconnYou allow 50kHz steps for europe (which, btw, is unnecessary for over-the-air reception)
23:49:32amiconn50kHz steps are only used for cable (afaik)
23:49:46*amiconn tries on H140
23:50:00*petur likes the small steps
23:50:19jhMikeSDavide-NYC: would be nice...thanks
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23:50:44Davide-NYCjhMikeS: version2.2 of the big audio patch? or is there something newer?
23:50:50 Quit petur ("[x]")
23:50:53jhMikeSlast one
23:51:12amiconnpetur: Why? Does your iriver have a socket to connect it to fm/tv cable?
23:51:15bluebrotheramiconn, 50kHz are still used e.g. in italy
23:53:18bluebrotheraccording to wikipedia (and a forum post) yes.
23:54:29bluebrotherthe region value itself is an int.
23:54:32jhMikeSI saw my radio jump to like 148MHz today
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23:57:01*Davide-NYC again wished the H1x0 had an RTC
23:57:03*bluebrother spots something
23:57:06amiconnbluebrother: Oh, another problem is that I can't load a preset list anymore
23:57:16amiconnObserved on X5 and H140
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23:58:29Kitt0scan rockbox start in a certin directory?
23:58:37Kitt0si hate all the other folders shown on the root folder
23:58:48amiconnbluebrother: I can perfectly reproduce the bug on H140 as well
23:58:51Kitt0si just want like a folder that will contain all music\photos etc.

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