00:00:11 | Kitt0s | i will, but i just hate seeing all the unrelated folders |
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00:00:21 | amiconn | bluebrother: Oh, and the error is systematic. Looks like a range problem |
00:00:22 | tucoz | Kitt0s, I have my directories like: 1. Music, 2. Data, 3. Games |
00:00:28 | tucoz | as an example |
00:00:33 | Kitt0s | whats on Data? |
00:00:37 | amiconn | If I tune to 102.6, reboot and re-enter, it goes to 89.8 |
00:00:38 | Kitt0s | whats on GAmes? |
00:00:50 | amiconn | 102.7 maps to 89.9 after reboot, etc |
00:00:58 | tucoz | I can keep my gb roms there for instance |
00:01:10 | bluebrother | ok, there is a swap of freq_min by freq_max in radio.c:308. |
00:01:12 | Kitt0s | ahh k |
00:01:13 | tucoz | and in data i can keep documents and random junk |
00:01:21 | Kitt0s | but where is the rockbox folder? |
00:01:24 | tucoz | this is to clean up the root folder |
00:01:27 | bluebrother | but this shouldn't affect the frequency tuned in. |
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00:01:52 | Kitt0s | well this thing is for my friend, he uses both rockbox and the original ipod firmware, so there are these gay folders |
00:02:02 | tucoz | hehe |
00:02:17 | Kitt0s | mabye someone can make a patch for this? |
00:02:38 | LinusN | bluebrother: looks like you calculate the frequency in the wrong way |
00:03:07 | LinusN | curr_freq = global_settings.last_frequency |
00:03:07 | LinusN | * fm_region[global_settings.fm_region].freq_step |
00:03:07 | LinusN | + fm_region[global_settings.fm_region].freq_min; |
00:03:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kitt0s: Just hide the folders you don't want to see. |
00:03:26 | LinusN | hmmm |
00:03:28 | bluebrother | I do? I mostly only swapped the defined values with the ones from the region setting. |
00:03:34 | Soap | Kitt0s - you don't see the .rockbox folder because it begins with a period, which unixlike systems hide. Rockbox follows this behavior. You couldn't, though, do the same for the apple folders. |
00:03:46 | LinusN | nah, i was wrong |
00:03:46 | bluebrother | curr_freq = global_settings.last_frequency * FREQ_STEP + MIN_FREQ; |
00:03:52 | bluebrother | was the original line. |
00:03:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: But you can just mark them as Hidden. |
00:03:54 | Kitt0s | hmm |
00:03:58 | Kitt0s | same for .rockbox right? |
00:04:04 | Kitt0s | the folder sry |
00:04:05 | amiconn | bluebrother: 3rd bug: If you tune to xx.05 in europe, the display shows xx.5 . Very confusing... |
00:04:28 | Davide-NYC | Paul_the_Nerd: I think the encoder decoder plugin should be two separate plugins. |
00:04:36 | Davide-NYC | I mean the request for it. |
00:04:51 | Davide-NYC | Encoder_Plugin and Decoder_Plugin |
00:05:07 | bluebrother | 3rd bug: I've changed the lang file, so the translations may be wrong. |
00:05:15 | Davide-NYC | with essentially the same functionality but witht he obvious differentce |
00:05:38 | bluebrother | but I could have thought of that myself as I don't need to understand the language for that change. My bad. |
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00:05:52 | amiconn | bluebrother: Then you did something in the wrong way: you reused a string in a way that's not backwards compatible |
00:06:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Davide-NYC: But my request was a "Transcoder Interface". There is a WAV codec. It's "Go from one supported format to another." |
00:06:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because a WAV is a supported playback format, to encode you just got "WAV->Compressed" |
00:06:20 | amiconn | In this case, a new string should be added and the old one deprecated |
00:06:26 | bluebrother | indeed. |
00:06:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Since WAV is a supported encoding format, you go from "Compressed->WAV" |
00:06:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | But you can also do "AAC->MP3" with that concept. |
00:06:59 | bluebrother | should I deprecate it now or change all translations? |
00:07:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Without needing disk space to dump the inbetween WAV |
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00:07:07 | barrywardell | LinusN: do you know if there is a feature to automatically switch Rockbox off when the battery gets below a certain level? |
00:07:11 | Davide-NYC | the guys in here are telling me you can;t easily load to codecs at once |
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00:07:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Not at the moment, no. |
00:07:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | The request doesn't have to be done the way I requested. I just wrote the request for what *I* would like to see. |
00:08:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is it the IRAM issue that really prevents the using of two codecs at once? |
00:08:41 | amiconn | bluebrother: The frequency problem is definitely a range problem in the settings block. |
00:08:50 | Davide-NYC | I'm just thinking that if user benchmarking could be achieved for decoders (realtime and non) in an easy way we could get people to contribute data. |
00:08:58 | amiconn | Up to 100.25 it stores the correct frequency, then it wraps |
00:09:08 | Davide-NYC | doing it the way I am not is imprecise and time consuming |
00:09:12 | Davide-NYC | *now |
00:10:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | I just think its a bit unnecessary to go through all that effort *just* for a benchmarking tool, when actual transcoding would be quite useful. |
00:10:51 | * | Paul_the_Nerd shrugs |
00:11:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | The fact that I've posed the feature request like that no way precludes anyone from doing it differently anyway |
00:11:10 | amiconn | ah |
00:11:41 | amiconn | bluebrother: The settings block uses 8 bits for storing the last frequency. 255*0.05 + 87.5 = 100.25 ... |
00:12:02 | amiconn | I.e. with 50kHz steps, 8 bits aren't enough |
00:12:13 | bluebrother | ok. Haven't thought of that :( |
00:12:39 | Davide-NYC | Paul_the_Nerd: I hear ya and it would be cooler the way you proposed it... but if it's much less likely to get coded that way I think a two step solution is fine. |
00:12:50 | amiconn | Use 9 bit and bump the cfg block version. Leaves the other 2 problems... |
00:13:01 | Davide-NYC | WMA−−>WAV then WAV−−>MP3 |
00:14:05 | bluebrother | amiconn, how should I address the lang problem? Change all langs in cvs or deprecate the string? |
00:14:07 | * | amiconn wonders why it looks like quite a number of devs don't really test before committing... :/ |
00:14:33 | * | jhMikeS maybe I should follow their example :) |
00:14:46 | amiconn | nah |
00:15:04 | jhMikeS | damn the torpedos...patch goes up now! :D |
00:15:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Davide-NYC: The biggest problem with that is that the only time I can see myself transcoding on the fly is when wavpack wasn't small enough afterall, which means there's certainly no room to explode to wav first. :) |
00:15:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | I would like to know why it's hard to load both a playback and recording codec simultaneously. I'm curious what the problem actually is. |
00:16:02 | jhMikeS | You can fill a memory buffer with pcm with the decoder...swap codecs...and write out...wash rinse repeat till done |
00:16:12 | * | ikke33 doesn't understand any of this |
00:16:19 | Davide-NYC | The way I would use it is if I had a file that was in a non-realtime format and transcode on the fly to something I could listen to!!! |
00:16:31 | Davide-NYC | I think that would just be killer. |
00:16:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: Pretty much my throught on actually transcoding, when not benchmarking. |
00:16:50 | jhMikeS | Paul_the_Nerd: nonrelocatable code, that's what |
00:16:53 | sneakums | currently the codecs are written to load at a fixed address, i think |
00:16:54 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: Why not just transcode it *before* putting it on the dap? Would make 100% more sense to me... |
00:17:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: And when benchmarking either the input is PCM/Wav or the output is being lost as soon as it's created. |
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00:17:22 | sneakums | so you'd have to make them relocatable, and also probably make memory allocation more complex to handle two clients at once |
00:17:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: I know the code's non-relocatable, I'm just a little surprised the input and output codecs are mapped to the same place. Is this in case we have plugins we want to interact with Recording? |
00:17:42 | amiconn | bluebrother: Choose one of these options, I'd say |
00:17:46 | jhMikeS | The encoders write do their own file writing so youd have to redirect those apis to fake file apis |
00:17:51 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: in general I totally agree, but what if not infront of machine? |
00:18:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: That sounds like a problem with the "codecs" then, as file writing usually isn't part of a codec's job. |
00:18:19 | Davide-NYC | plus it lends itself to getting the users to help benchmark |
00:18:19 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: How would you move a track onto your dap without a PC? |
00:18:53 | jhMikeS | Paul_the_Nerd: There's been no effort to really distinguish them yet. I did give the encoders a differnt majic in the headers 'RENC' |
00:18:56 | Davide-NYC | I can imagine myself moving a directory structure to the DAP without being totally familiar with what is in there and listening whiole travleing |
00:19:00 | amiconn | Well, technically you can do that on a H300 - and also X%, but only when rockbox isn't installed - via USBOTG |
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00:19:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: For example, transcoding files that turn out to be non-realtime if a computer is not available (say you prepared AAC audiobooks for a trip), or reencoding a lossless recording to something lossy because it ends up taking up more space than expected. |
00:20:43 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: if you check out the wiki page: CodecPerformanceComparison... |
00:20:58 | * | amiconn still thinks it's a weird idea to load the poor little dap CPU with a task that a PC can do in seconds |
00:21:11 | Davide-NYC | what about benchmarking? |
00:21:22 | Davide-NYC | ?me ducks |
00:21:24 | amiconn | For benchmarking you don't need transcoding |
00:21:37 | Davide-NYC | just decoding |
00:21:42 | Davide-NYC | or encoding |
00:21:43 | amiconn | Pure decoding and pure encoding would be more useful |
00:21:47 | Davide-NYC | Iagree |
00:22:04 | amiconn | For decoding benchmarks, the optimum is to even throw the decoded data away |
00:22:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | agreed |
00:22:52 | Davide-NYC | I think the idea was to have a setting in a decoding_plugin that generated a logfile with performance data |
00:22:55 | Kitt0s | grr, can some1 explain to me how do i charge an ipod with rockbox through the USB? |
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00:24:08 | Davide-NYC | with this decoding_plugin you could (if necessary) decode a NRT ecoded file to WAV as well |
00:24:18 | Davide-NYC | NRT = non-realtime |
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00:24:47 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: please help with a make error |
00:24:51 | Davide-NYC | *patch error |
00:24:52 | Kitt0s | ?:\ |
00:25:09 | Davide-NYC | The next patch would create the file apps/enc_config.c, |
00:25:10 | Davide-NYC | which already exists! Assume -R? [n] |
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00:25:22 | pagefault | wow I am too full of turkey |
00:25:29 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: Hold MENU as you insert the USB cable. |
00:25:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kitt0s: Are you saying that your iPod doesn't reboot to disk mode and charge when USB is connected? |
00:26:22 | Kitt0s | it becomes diskmode i just want it to charge |
00:26:24 | Davide-NYC | I want to change the files according to the new patch. I have already cvs up -dPC so only files CREATED by this patch are not synced with cvs. |
00:26:52 | Davide-NYC | do I "assume recursive" in this instance? |
00:27:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kitt0s: Then do what linuxstb said |
00:27:34 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: what happen?...someone set up us the bomb? |
00:28:07 | Davide-NYC | I had already patched with your v1 patch and forgot to undo it |
00:28:08 | Kitt0s | hmm, when i reset the ipod while its on USB, it opens rockbox, then gives the USB rockbox bitmap.. then does a wired flashing screen theng goes back to the black&white version of the 'Do not disconnet' of the original |
00:28:11 | Davide-NYC | urghh |
00:28:15 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I guess you patched over a patched version |
00:28:19 | Davide-NYC | I did |
00:28:22 | Davide-NYC | now what |
00:28:25 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
00:28:38 | jhMikeS | cvs up -dPC |
00:28:47 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: 1) Turn on your ipod (so Rockbox is actually running); 2) Hold MENU and insert USB cable. |
00:28:55 | jhMikeS | learned that myself today for the same reason |
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00:29:23 | Davide-NYC | but that will not touch the files your patch creates |
00:29:32 | Davide-NYC | so what about those files? |
00:29:36 | jhMikeS | delete those |
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00:30:13 | Davide-NYC | how many are there? |
00:30:18 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: It's generally a good idea to undo an old version of a patch before applying a new one |
00:30:21 | Kitt0s | ok, but i don't want rockbox running.. i want a plain charge |
00:30:34 | jhMikeS | enc_config.c enc_config.h enc_base.c enc_base.c general.c general.h pcm_sampr.c pcm_sampr.h |
00:30:46 | jhMikeS | enc_base.h |
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00:31:48 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: What do you mean by "a plain charge" ? If you don't want Rockbox running, then don't run Rockbox... |
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00:32:00 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
00:32:37 | Kitt0s | look man, all i want is to rockbox + the orignal firmware to be OFF, and i want it to only charge, not connected to PC. get it? |
00:33:28 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: If Rockbox and the original firmware are off, your ipod can't charge. It has to be on (and running something) to charge. |
00:33:44 | Kitt0s | hmm.. ok then |
00:34:19 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I think that's all of them |
00:34:20 | excitatory | Kitt0s: yea, the file-transfer mode charges the pod.. |
00:34:30 | Davide-NYC | that's all in apps right? |
00:34:48 | jhMikeS | Wish you could force patch to overwrite but couldn't find a switch for that |
00:34:55 | Davide-NYC | rm -R ./apps/* ? |
00:35:04 | Davide-NYC | then cvs up -dPC ? |
00:35:14 | jhMikeS | apps firmware |
00:35:25 | Davide-NYC | done |
00:35:27 | Davide-NYC | eassier |
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00:37:27 | jhMikeS | I do different handling on setting the source for SPDIF enabled devices and it may cause problems but the functions spdif_set_monitor really only sets EBU1CONFIG so I'm still not clear |
00:41:04 | Davide-NYC | man, I can;t patch for some reason now |
00:42:41 | jhMikeS | nix the whole rockbox-devel and checkout again then...that will clear it for sure |
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00:43:04 | Davide-NYC | doing |
00:44:07 | jhMikeS | hate to use such a blunt tool as rm -R * |
00:47:24 | jhMikeS | that rec_set_source needs some rethinking as it is...so unelegant |
00:48:41 | Davide-NYC | I don't know what happened but I chucked the rb-devel dir so now all of my configured build folders are gone :-( |
00:48:50 | Davide-NYC | I get easily frustrated |
00:48:51 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
00:49:43 | jhMikeS | ...the end is only the beginning grasshopper...;) |
00:50:45 | Davide-NYC | please standby for the never ending MAKE. |
00:51:51 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Please hurry fast I'm on the fall aslee.....*snore* 8^B |
00:52:11 | Davide-NYC | you kidding? nothing I can do.. sorry |
00:52:21 | jhMikeS | cygwin? |
00:52:32 | Davide-NYC | actually while I (we) wait what exactly do you want me to do? |
00:52:46 | Davide-NYC | inform me of my mission |
00:53:00 | jhMikeS | test all the inputs and make sure they record. check the sampr_test plugin too |
00:53:19 | jhMikeS | Try it on both versions of the recording screen |
00:53:59 | Davide-NYC | both versions? |
00:57:07 | jhMikeS | The one from FM radio and the other front normal recording |
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01:02:40 | Davide-NYC | OK I'm back |
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01:03:32 | jhMikeS | ?erew ot kcab |
01:05:47 | Davide-NYC | from MAKE land |
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01:07:12 | jhMikeS | damn...connection went down |
01:07:41 | Davide-NYC | something is very wrong (sorry) |
01:07:55 | jhMikeS | It's stil not working? |
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01:08:16 | Davide-NYC | something involving source selection is botched. |
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01:08:32 | Davide-NYC | on first load (defaults to mic in) I got on signal. |
01:08:54 | Davide-NYC | selected source = line and I get input from the mic. |
01:09:28 | jhMikeS | radio? |
01:09:34 | jhMikeS | What screen? |
01:09:58 | Davide-NYC | radio = same |
01:10:07 | Davide-NYC | actual audio is from the onboard mic |
01:10:13 | jhMikeS | mic again huh |
01:10:22 | Davide-NYC | always |
01:10:28 | jhMikeS | Did you try it from the fmradio screen? |
01:10:32 | Davide-NYC | doing |
01:10:52 | Davide-NYC | haven't been in FM for a while |
01:11:17 | jhMikeS | The source should be fixed there...no change allowed |
01:11:50 | jhMikeS | I think fmradio recording screen needs the ability to tune |
01:13:21 | Davide-NYC | stuck at the menu. I long-pressed navi, got to the menu screen (what do we call this screen?) and am now stuck with FM playing and no button responding |
01:13:31 | Davide-NYC | this is from FM |
01:13:50 | Davide-NYC | target=H3x0 |
01:13:53 | jhMikeS | I had that problem...it came after a button patch. |
01:13:57 | jhMikeS | not mine |
01:14:04 | jhMikeS | did you reset settings |
01:14:09 | Davide-NYC | oops |
01:14:10 | Davide-NYC | no |
01:14:38 | Davide-NYC | why is it you can never find a paper clip when you need one? |
01:14:42 | jhMikeS | It should have automatically but try it manually during boot...that can clear a lot of probs |
01:14:56 | jhMikeS | I have loads of bent ones on my desk :) |
01:18:05 | Davide-NYC | same |
01:18:57 | jhMikeS | you never made it to recording? |
01:19:28 | Davide-NYC | stuck in that "quick menu" or whatever it's called withthe "recording screen" highlighted and FM playing happily |
01:19:35 | Davide-NYC | that's it |
01:19:39 | Davide-NYC | no button response |
01:19:44 | Davide-NYC | pending reset |
01:20:03 | Davide-NYC | I don;t think the screen is updating at all |
01:20:10 | Davide-NYC | the RTC is not 'moving' |
01:20:15 | jhMikeS | You mean you went to the recording screen and then to the settings for recording or just made it to the FM radio settings? |
01:20:21 | Davide-NYC | no |
01:20:38 | pixelma | is that when you call the recording screen from the radio menu? |
01:20:57 | Davide-NYC | I went to FM, long-pressed NAVI got to the menu, scolled down to "recording sceen" (it's an item in a list) and short=pressed NAVI. |
01:21:04 | Davide-NYC | yes |
01:21:19 | Davide-NYC | I guess that screen is the FM menu? |
01:21:34 | jhMikeS | Say like FM Radio > FM Radio Menu > Recording Screen |
01:21:41 | Davide-NYC | yeah |
01:21:52 | jhMikeS | You actuall tried entering the screen? |
01:21:56 | Davide-NYC | at least I'm stuck listening to "The Who" |
01:22:02 | Davide-NYC | yes |
01:22:02 | jhMikeS | heh |
01:22:06 | pixelma | might be a general problem from before... I had this with my Ondio (where a recording screen entry doesn't make sense at all) so I thought it would only be hwcodec related |
01:22:07 | Davide-NYC | and now all is stuck |
01:22:28 | Davide-NYC | "teenage wasteland" |
01:22:34 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6105 |
01:22:49 | jhMikeS | So attempting to enter the recording screen from the FMRadio menu locks it...I just wanna be real clear |
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01:23:10 | Davide-NYC | pixelma: that is EXACTLY what's happening |
01:23:15 | Davide-NYC | yes |
01:23:27 | pixelma | but might be even without the new recording patch |
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01:23:44 | Davide-NYC | FM Radio Menu −−> Recording Screen −−> LOCKED |
01:23:58 | Davide-NYC | songs over, resetting |
01:24:03 | pixelma | someone should try an unpatched build |
01:24:15 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: No lockup on normal record screen then? |
01:24:31 | Davide-NYC | teenage wasteland isn;t that short man, |
01:24:35 | Davide-NYC | trying now |
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01:25:27 | jhMikeS | I never added the recording screen to the FM Menu for HWCODEC |
01:26:02 | jhMikeS | ANything that directly adds recording to the radio screen should not have the menu option |
01:26:29 | pixelma | as I stated I don't know exactly when it occured but it wasn't there a while ago (haven't checked that often) |
01:26:43 | Davide-NYC | Recording−−>Recording Screen−−>No Audio (defaults==mic, M128,44k,stereo) |
01:27:23 | jhMikeS | If it started on Oct 2 it nothing I did but there was some FM Radio screen work done and apparently not carefully enough |
01:27:37 | Davide-NYC | switch to PCM WAV, no other changes, same result |
01:27:40 | Davide-NYC | no audio |
01:27:44 | jhMikeS | We have the stations that won't save...buttons used to go dead... |
01:27:54 | jhMikeS | no audio or mic? |
01:28:04 | jhMikeS | when does it go from always mic to silent? |
01:28:18 | Davide-NYC | other way around |
01:28:31 | jhMikeS | silent to always mic...ok....wierd |
01:28:34 | Davide-NYC | I think, that if I make a selection it will go to always mic |
01:28:46 | Davide-NYC | prior to making a selection I have silence |
01:28:55 | Davide-NYC | this is what I believe to be happening |
01:29:09 | jhMikeS | It's the same code that worked before...there must be a hitch |
01:29:32 | jhMikeS | I will compare my changes with CVS and find the boo boo |
01:29:49 | jhMikeS | but I'm ready to just sleep sleep sleep :) |
01:29:55 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: you messed up my iPod! YOu guys suckors!! |
01:30:04 | Davide-NYC | or suX0rs |
01:30:07 | Davide-NYC | or whatever |
01:30:14 | Davide-NYC | :-0 |
01:30:32 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: You piece of 5h17! |
01:30:38 | Davide-NYC | LOL |
01:31:03 | Davide-NYC | Sincerely, good luck. This will be a very cool addition to RB. |
01:31:59 | jhMikeS | n3\/3r m355 w1th |\/|3 ! |
01:32:58 | jhMikeS | 600d n|4ht...I'll be watching though |
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01:44:16 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: so what determines who gets sent to the mobile version of the page?...browser fingerprint? |
01:44:46 | scorche | I just put opera mini on my treo (so much better than blazer), and i am not directed to the regular version |
01:44:54 | scorche | s/not/now |
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01:49:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: I honestly have no idea. I don't know how it makes the determination at all. |
01:50:57 | amiconn | Opera mini goes through a proxy at opera.com |
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01:53:40 | amiconn | At least afaik |
01:53:53 | Davide-NYC | QQ: bootloader for H300 is version 5? |
01:54:02 | JdGordon | yes |
01:54:08 | Davide-NYC | thank |
01:55:26 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: well, if possible can you put a link at the bottom or somewhere on both versions to transfer to the other one? |
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01:59:32 | Davide-NYC | 'night y'all |
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02:00:07 | amiconn | Ah, yes, this little diagram makes it clear: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=122805&t=1160438227&page=1#comment1415421 |
02:00:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: I honestly don't know what I can/cannot do regarding the mobile stuff yet. I need to check out if they talk about it much in some documentation somewhere |
02:00:57 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: alright...well let me know |
02:00:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: I don't actually have access to it through the Admin menus like I do the main theme/etc, so it'll be a bit harder to toy with |
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02:15:35 | pagefault | does rockbox support aac |
02:15:46 | pagefault | I thought it did |
02:17:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | It has limited support |
02:17:56 | pagefault | I can't even get it to play anything |
02:18:00 | pagefault | it's not recognized |
02:18:09 | pagefault | do I need to rename it |
02:18:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | What's the extension? |
02:18:21 | pagefault | .aac |
02:18:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is it a raw AAC stream or something? |
02:18:45 | pagefault | it was made with itunes |
02:18:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then the extension should be m4a, right? |
02:19:04 | pagefault | oh |
02:19:05 | pagefault | hm |
02:19:07 | pagefault | I renamed it |
02:19:11 | pagefault | ok let me fix that |
02:20:10 | pagefault | ah thats better thanks |
02:20:17 | pagefault | but no HE-AAC I see |
02:20:23 | pagefault | I guess lack of free decoders |
02:21:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | That and the fact that it requires significantly more available power to decode. |
02:21:50 | pagefault | I see |
02:22:15 | pagefault | I guess I am going with aotuv vorbis then |
02:22:31 | pagefault | all my audio is FLAC and I am transcoding to the most efficient format |
02:22:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | MP3 requires a lot less cpu power to decode. |
02:23:14 | pagefault | my player doesn't have cpu scaling yet |
02:23:17 | pagefault | so it doesn't matter |
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02:23:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
02:23:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | You'll transcode again when it does then? |
02:23:30 | Soap | musepack FTW if you don't want MP3. |
02:23:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Musepack is also more efficient on ARM right now, anyway, isn't it? |
02:23:52 | pagefault | Paul_the_Nerd, probably |
02:23:59 | Soap | apparently very much so. |
02:24:04 | pagefault | it's not a big deal, I just let the quad opteron at work do it for me :) |
02:24:08 | pagefault | I just bring it on a usb hard drive |
02:24:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: Hey, did musepack ever get proper seeking? I seem to remember something about that, but haven't really payed attention to it. |
02:24:11 | pagefault | and leave it going overnight |
02:24:32 | Soap | and has the distinction of being the first lossy codec to acheive "transparent" status. How's that for the ▄bergeek? |
02:24:48 | pagefault | I was under the impression musepack wasn't very good |
02:24:53 | Soap | Paul_the_Nerd - meh - who needs seeking? |
02:24:56 | Soap | ;) |
02:26:28 | Soap | musepack is an excellent codec. Low CPU requirements. Still possibly better than LAME MP3 even as far as bitrate to acheive transparency. Doesn't have the "problem samples" MP3 (even with LAME) does. (pre-echo, etc) but musepack isn't supported by much. |
02:26:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: I personally don't, but to some people it's a drawback. |
02:26:31 | pagefault | I was reading of this new vorbis encoder that does about the same as aacplus but being compatible |
02:27:51 | pagefault | so if I use musepack |
02:27:59 | pagefault | what is the best setting for space/quality |
02:28:08 | pagefault | just standard? |
02:28:10 | Soap | The recently thumbed-up by HydrogenAudio OGG encoder is really nice. Encodes much faster than LAME, but still requires more horsepower to decode, and doesn't accheive transparency until about the same point as MP3, if not a bit higher. At low bitrates, though, it beats MP3. |
02:28:30 | Soap | yea - standard is considered transparent on > 99% of sample. |
02:28:33 | Soap | s |
02:28:36 | pagefault | ok I will try that |
02:28:37 | pagefault | thanks |
02:29:05 | pagefault | I have rather good headphones |
02:29:11 | pagefault | so I would like a decent encode |
02:30:00 | pagefault | wow musepack is big |
02:30:06 | pagefault | but I guess if it's transparent |
02:30:46 | Soap | ABX all of them out there. |
02:30:50 | Soap | See where your tolerance is. |
02:31:02 | pagefault | yeah |
02:31:16 | pagefault | well so far I have had good results with the hydrogenaudio vorbis at 100kbps |
02:31:24 | pagefault | around there |
02:31:34 | pagefault | 96kbps |
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02:31:41 | pagefault | 100kbps it says on the LCD though |
02:31:46 | Soap | if you have the quad processors you can encode up a real nice set of test samples, and ABX for one evening, and rest assured you have chosen the best codec for _your_ needs. |
02:32:07 | pagefault | what do you mean by ABX |
02:32:15 | pagefault | just listen to them all |
02:32:16 | pagefault | ? |
02:32:19 | Soap | It's how you blind test two samples. |
02:32:40 | Soap | You play the A sample, the B sample, The X sample and the Y sample (in foobar) |
02:33:04 | Soap | then you answer the question "Is A X and B Y, or is A Y and B X?" |
02:33:21 | pagefault | I see |
02:33:23 | Soap | you keep doing it with lower and lower bitrates until you can tell a difference. |
02:33:30 | pagefault | this gets complex too |
02:33:33 | pagefault | because of types of music |
02:33:41 | Soap | You do it like 10-15 times per file to make sure you aren't lucky. |
02:34:21 | Soap | foobar has an excellent ABX routine - just select two files, right click, and ABX. (One file being the original and the other being compressed) |
02:34:21 | linuxstb | Paul_the_Nerd: Yes, musepack seeking was committed |
02:34:51 | pagefault | well this musepack at standard sounds outstanding |
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02:35:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: Good to hear. I thought it was, but I tend to distrust my memory sometimes |
02:35:38 | Davide-NYC | OK, I can no longer get into the OF on my H3x0 |
02:35:41 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html never forgets... |
02:35:42 | Soap | I would use it except for the fact few programs support it, and none of my friends could be bothered to mess with it. |
02:35:52 | Davide-NYC | I have attempted to write back the EEPROM |
02:35:57 | Davide-NYC | what next? |
02:36:29 | pagefault | pretty much sounds like the cd |
02:36:47 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: did u try with someone elses eeprom? |
02:37:01 | Davide-NYC | yes |
02:37:08 | Davide-NYC | This is wierd |
02:37:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: Very true. |
02:37:19 | Davide-NYC | I plugged in the charger and I am now back in Iriver world |
02:37:38 | pagefault | I thought the filesize was rediclous |
02:37:41 | Davide-NYC | What could cause this/ |
02:37:43 | Davide-NYC | ? |
02:37:44 | pagefault | but I forgot this song is 7 min |
02:38:08 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: Was your battery low? |
02:39:26 | Davide-NYC | half way |
02:39:48 | pagefault | anyway thanks for the advice |
02:40:33 | Davide-NYC | What did I do by writing back my EEPROM? |
02:40:42 | Davide-NYC | what did I lose (if anything) |
02:40:45 | Davide-NYC | ? |
02:41:15 | PaulJam | the settings of the original firmware are stored there |
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02:42:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Davide-NYC: It would do stuff like reset the contrast to the original value, etc. |
02:42:45 | Davide-NYC | but nothing to my RB settings? |
02:44:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nope |
02:44:08 | PaulJam | btw, now that musepack seeking works, why doesn't rockbox resume the file where it was stopped and instead plays the file again from the start? |
02:45:39 | pagefault | he's got a point |
02:45:43 | pagefault | I just reproduced it |
02:45:52 | pagefault | it doesn't resume the position it was playing with musepack |
02:46:27 | Davide-NYC | Is not being able to get back into OF on an H3x0 a known bug? What causes this and should a bug report be put on the tracker? I cannot find one. |
02:46:48 | Davide-NYC | If so, does the bug report belong under bootloader or what? |
02:47:19 | PaulJam | what happens if you try to start the original firmware? |
02:48:18 | Davide-NYC | Well now that I'm charging I can't seem to turn the unit fully off (which is different from the H1x0 behavior) |
02:48:33 | Davide-NYC | In other words I cannot leave iriver world |
02:48:34 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Resume has to be implemented for each codec, I guess no-one has done it yet for Musepack. |
02:49:37 | linuxstb | It's not always the same as seeking - for example, for MP3, the byte-offset in the file is stored as the resume position, for other codecs, it is the elapsed time. |
02:50:15 | Davide-NYC | Unplugging the charger I can shutdown the H3x0, but when I restart while holding the rec button I get a flash of the RB boot loader that says "starting original firmware" and then it shuts off again. |
02:51:01 | linuxstb | Are you keeping the ON button held down? |
02:51:08 | Davide-NYC | yes |
02:51:09 | PaulJam | maybe you aren't holding the play button long enough |
02:51:15 | Davide-NYC | lemme try again |
02:51:31 | Davide-NYC | doh |
02:51:48 | * | Davide-NYC smacks himself in the face with a dead fish |
02:51:56 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
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04:18:23 | jestuh | fyi: i just approved a quote from here |
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04:24:33 | Soap | and the quote is? |
04:25:15 | midkay | http://bash.org/?697534 |
04:25:19 | midkay | yes! |
04:25:21 | midkay | :D |
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04:40:51 | `burns | I'm having a problem with rockboxdev.sh. |
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04:41:59 | `burns | it gives me the error: |
04:42:20 | `burns | ../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c:1277: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at com bine.c:447 |
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04:42:35 | `burns | with some stuff about contacting the developers. |
04:43:41 | `burns | I googled it, and got a bunch of cryptic posts to the GCC mailing list. |
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04:44:16 | `burns | I found an entry for it on the gcc bugtracker too; it was marked as resolved. |
04:44:50 | `burns | But people are getting this error with even new versions of GCC, according to google. |
04:45:08 | `burns | Anybody know what's going on? |
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04:59:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | `burns: Um, since it's a problem with GCC, your best bet is to investigate it in other places, probably. I know that in your case it occurs during the running of our script, but you're more likely to find a solution in other places, perhaps. |
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05:03:23 | `burns | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I just wondered if you guys might know. thanks |
05:03:34 | myzar | anybody looked into the recent 5.5g developments? |
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05:03:52 | myzar | i've been meaning to take a look on my 80 |
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05:13:18 | sneakums | i'm going to try the stuff from the forum thread tonight, if i get back from the movie early enough |
05:13:38 | sneakums | i've never had an excuse to use hexl-mode before |
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05:47:52 | myzar | yeah sneakums |
05:48:04 | myzar | i'm willing to go off my vow to never return to nix again just to see it done |
05:48:05 | myzar | =p |
05:48:23 | myzar | though it might take some figuring out |
05:48:32 | myzar | the byte reversing isn't really as hard as people say it is, though |
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06:07:44 | lol_ur_dead | hi could someone help me? |
06:08:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | You might have better luck if you just ask your question |
06:09:15 | lol_ur_dead | lol |
06:09:16 | lol_ur_dead | ok |
06:09:36 | lol_ur_dead | is 2nd generation ipod able to install rockbox? |
06:09:52 | lol_ur_dead | ipod nano snd generation |
06:09:56 | lol_ur_dead | 2nd* |
06:09:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | No. |
06:09:59 | lol_ur_dead | ok |
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06:22:20 | z35 | is there an alarm clock plugin by any chance? |
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06:27:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | z35: There is one, though it's only available/working on certain targets right now. If you don't see it in your plugin list, than it's not on yours yet. |
06:27:31 | z35 | not the archos recorder v1? |
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06:28:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hm |
06:28:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Maybe it's not a plugin |
06:29:33 | z35 | i couldn't find it looking through the menus either |
06:29:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | I know there's a patch for Alarm functionality on the V1 and V2 recorders. |
06:29:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | But it's really old |
06:31:21 | z35 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2021/edit would this be it? |
06:32:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes |
06:34:57 | z35 | cool |
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07:40:55 | RoC_MM | what is the '5.5' gen ipod? |
07:41:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | The "new" iPod Videos |
07:43:37 | BHSPitLappy | does 5.5G only come in 80GB |
07:43:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | No, it's also the new 30gb ones |
07:43:54 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
07:44:03 | BHSPitLappy | 30 and 80? that's a weird set of choices |
07:44:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't know why they didn't upgrade the smaller ones to 40 |
07:44:42 | myzar | costs probably |
07:44:48 | myzar | a few people are trying to get rockbox working on them |
07:44:50 | myzar | and somebody did it |
07:44:53 | myzar | but it took a lot of hacking |
07:47:32 | RoC_MM | what needed to be coded? new hard drive driver? |
07:47:58 | RoC_MM | I thought the exterior was identicl |
07:57:23 | myzar | no |
07:57:35 | myzar | everything is identical to the 5g 60gb |
07:57:41 | myzar | except the gapless feature |
07:57:43 | myzar | and search feature |
07:57:45 | myzar | in the firmware itself |
07:57:50 | myzar | as well as some screen brightness |
07:57:58 | myzar | the key differences are in the file system |
07:58:13 | myzar | check the "new ports" area to get more info |
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07:58:28 | myzar | all you'd need to do is hack the bootloader and part of rockbox to support those changes |
07:58:32 | myzar | and it'll work 100%, it seems |
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08:08:52 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd, z35: There _is_ alarm functionality built into rockbox, without patch. However, since such functionality requires both hardware and software support, it only works on archos atm, and then only devices supporting it _unmodified_ are the archos fm recorder and recorder v2 |
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08:09:49 | amiconn | The recorder v1 can also support alarm functionality with a small hardware mod and a custom rockbox build. The latter requires no patch, but just setting a definition in the Makefile |
08:09:57 | amiconn | HAVE_ALARM_MOD |
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08:11:30 | daurnimator | yo |
08:11:55 | amiconn | Here's the description of the necessary hardware mod, linked from www.rockbox.org 's doc index: http://www.uwe-freese.de/hardware-projekte/rockbox/rtc_alarm_en.html |
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08:13:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: Thanks |
08:13:57 | daurnimator | sup people |
08:14:48 | amiconn | Many of the swcodec devices should be capable of wake-up alarm, but nobody coded support for it yet: H300, X5, all iPods (perhaps except 1G and 2G, which have no rockbox port anyway yet) |
08:17:25 | amiconn | The H1x0 doesn't have an RTC, so no wake-up alarm possible. Not sure about the H10 and iFP |
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08:52:52 | daurnimator | JdGordon: around? |
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08:58:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Does anyone else see Misticriver as being missing? |
08:59:25 | petur | hahaha apache starting page |
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09:00:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hm |
09:00:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's not the page I saw 30 minutes ago. |
09:01:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | I was just making sure it wasn't somehow me, since about 30% of webpages I go to right now are coming up unresponsive. |
09:09:03 | LinusN | mr works for me now |
09:09:55 | pondlife | Me too |
09:09:59 | pondlife | sadly |
09:10:14 | * | pondlife gets annoyed by custom builds for no good reason... |
09:11:19 | LinusN | :-) |
09:11:40 | pondlife | Actually more annoyed because I find any bug report hard to ignore |
09:11:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | I still see the Apache page. |
09:11:50 | pondlife | Even if it's none of my business ;-) |
09:12:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah well, backed up our forums tables just in case that precludes any signs of screwiness. |
09:12:18 | LinusN | Paul_the_Nerd: http://www.misticriver.net/ ? |
09:13:11 | LinusN | the custom builds are a two-edged sword |
09:13:37 | LinusN | they help us get some runtime of patches |
09:13:53 | LinusN | but they give us more support work |
09:14:15 | LinusN | "two-edged" - is that even a word? |
09:14:26 | pondlife | When we get album art support in CVS, I predict one or more custom builds will die |
09:14:45 | LinusN | heh |
09:14:56 | LinusN | nah, there are still lots of odd patches out there |
09:15:11 | LinusN | like the left-to-wps patch |
09:15:23 | pondlife | Urgh. I hate that one. |
09:15:24 | scorche | scrolling margins |
09:15:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusN: Yes, I see an apache start page there. |
09:15:49 | LinusN | Paul_the_Nerd: how weird |
09:16:01 | LinusN | Paul_the_Nerd: could it be a dns prob? |
09:16:03 | petur | your ISP has a caching proxy |
09:16:03 | pondlife | Did we not get scrolling left margins yet? Or is that patch not ready... |
09:16:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or specifically "Great Success ! Apache is working on your cPanel® and WHM™ Server" |
09:16:17 | petur | mine has too (but not at work) |
09:16:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, my ISP is being particularly naughty tonight |
09:16:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'll just rule out any hijinks I come across. |
09:16:41 | pondlife | Mine has, but it responds to explicit refreshes in some way |
09:16:51 | LinusN | pondlife: the left margin patch is even more half-baked than the "regular" one |
09:16:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Right now the *only* two webpages that will load for me consistently are rockbox.org and forums.rockbox.org |
09:17:18 | pondlife | Ah, I thought you were saying it was ready. Must have been thinking of someone else. I know nothing of its work... |
09:17:33 | LinusN | i want viewports |
09:17:34 | pondlife | Paul_the_Nerd: well, those are good ones to use |
09:17:50 | LinusN | but i can go with the scrolling margins patch until that happens |
09:18:15 | pondlife | Paul_the_Nerd: Tried http://72.29.70.126/ ? |
09:18:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | pondlife: ERROR: Cannot find database misticr_ivbd1 |
09:18:41 | pondlife | Wooh |
09:18:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | And then more information about said error. |
09:18:49 | pondlife | Me too |
09:19:16 | LinusN | really odd, it works fine from here |
09:19:17 | Bagder | well, just using an ip is not necessary enough to get a proper web page |
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09:19:36 | pondlife | I heard some ISPs cache by name rather IP. Unlikely I thought.... |
09:19:56 | Bagder | yeah, but servers do name-based vhosting |
09:20:10 | pondlife | So it appears! |
09:20:32 | * | petur also still gets the apache page for MR |
09:20:38 | pondlife | You'd know. I wouldn't. I'm using IIS for starters :( |
09:20:46 | petur | strange |
09:21:03 | pondlife | I go straight in to http://www.misticriver.net/forumdisplay.php?f=137 |
09:21:11 | pondlife | Does that help at all? |
09:21:16 | petur | not found |
09:21:21 | petur | (404) |
09:21:43 | pondlife | It's a bit slow, but Works For Me |
09:21:46 | petur | but I don't need to be there ;) |
09:21:54 | pondlife | Me neither |
09:22:14 | * | pondlife closes a browser before he reads any bug reports on custom builds |
09:23:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | 404 here as well |
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09:24:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | I like it when bug reports vanish once you tell them that "even though it seems unrelated, we require you verify it on a real build" |
09:24:06 | pondlife | Do others think that bug reports which are down to CPU/performance on iPods should be closed? |
09:24:32 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6073 is the one I'm looking at, but it's a regular thing |
09:24:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | I tried leaving a few open in the hopes that people would see them and not file more, and it didn't work. |
09:25:02 | LinusN | is there a clear FAQ entry about ipod performance? |
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09:25:40 | pondlife | I'm more just Mr. Zero tolerance for support-on-Flyspray... |
09:25:54 | pondlife | 'taint a bug! |
09:26:42 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#Playback_is_glitchy_skips |
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09:27:14 | LinusN | then close them with a link to that faq entry |
09:27:35 | pondlife | Done |
09:27:59 | linuxstb | But if you close them, people will just report them again... I doubt that people search the closed bug reports. |
09:28:11 | pondlife | They don't search the open ones either |
09:28:34 | petur | lol |
09:28:41 | pondlife | We need an FAQ link at the top of the page |
09:28:46 | linuxstb | I know - but that's what they _should_ do. |
09:29:30 | linuxstb | But yes, we've talked about having a "How to report bugs" page in the wiki, with a big link from Flyspray, but no-one has written it yet. |
09:29:49 | pondlife | Paul_the_Nerd: You have a decent summary on the forum, don't you? |
09:29:52 | linuxstb | That page would ask people to read the FAQ first. |
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09:30:03 | pondlife | How to report bugs the smart way or something.. |
09:30:14 | linuxstb | That's something different I think. |
09:30:48 | pondlife | Maybe. I don't do the fora much |
09:31:01 | linuxstb | I think he has the link to esr's "How to ask questions the smart way" paper. |
09:31:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | No, I also have a summary of how things to do before filing a bug report |
09:31:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3858.0 |
09:31:58 | pondlife | That's the one |
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10:33:59 | JdGordon | daurnimator: i am now |
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10:44:28 | amiconn | pondlife: Name-based vhosting isn't an apache exclusive. It's plain HTTP/1.1 standard |
10:45:43 | amiconn | Afair IIS can do that too |
10:46:03 | Bagder | indeed, all http 1.1 ones can |
10:46:17 | Bagder | and non-1.1 ones shouldn't be used |
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10:50:50 | pondlife | Sorry, I was more just showing a lack of cluefulness |
10:51:15 | daurnimator | JdGordon: where abouts are you? |
10:51:18 | pondlife | Not really a web guy. Maybe that's why I prefer NNTP/IRC every time |
10:51:40 | JdGordon | daurnimator: melb |
10:51:50 | daurnimator | suburb? |
10:51:51 | pondlife | Bagder: what does the channel comment refer to BTW? It's a bit depressing at the mo, IMHO |
10:52:06 | JdGordon | daurnimator: going into the stalking buisness are you ? :D |
10:52:09 | JdGordon | caulfield |
10:52:13 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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10:52:23 | petur | boooo |
10:52:28 | scorche | even more depressing |
10:52:28 | pondlife | \o/ |
10:52:40 | JdGordon | change it to Rockbox 3.0 released and wait for the confusin :D |
10:52:44 | pondlife | I was only curious |
10:52:45 | scorche | haha |
10:53:02 | pondlife | Nah, 3.1 released early |
10:53:24 | pondlife | Then sit back and watch the fireworks |
10:53:33 | JdGordon | speaking of which.. is there going to be a try for fireworks? |
10:54:11 | scorche | a topic that bashes specific individuals in the channel is always a good option =) |
10:54:13 | pondlife | Danger! Danger! Step away from the release schedule and walk slowly... |
10:54:18 | daurnimator | JdGordon: wow, close to me :S |
10:54:32 | JdGordon | daurnimator: where r u? |
10:54:36 | daurnimator | elsternwick |
10:54:44 | JdGordon | ha, yeah |
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10:55:19 | * | daurnimator turns up music - can you hear it? |
10:55:23 | daurnimator | ;) |
10:55:34 | JdGordon | nope |
10:55:39 | JdGordon | wind is blowing the wrong way |
10:55:55 | daurnimator | are you near glen eira rd? |
10:56:02 | daurnimator | or more south |
10:56:13 | * | JdGordon starts getting worried... |
10:56:16 | JdGordon | more north |
10:56:32 | daurnimator | worried? |
10:56:39 | * | JdGordon is also being funny |
10:59:57 | * | daurnimator gets your address |
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11:00:42 | JdGordon | 7-12 home st elsternwick |
11:01:28 | daurn|laptop | your probably the closest person to me i've net online |
11:01:29 | daurn|laptop | :P |
11:01:30 | daurn|laptop | *met |
11:02:20 | JdGordon | i guess that was a long shot @ a joke.. oh well (the address i gave) |
11:02:59 | daurn|laptop | uh, no, i mean caulfield |
11:03:00 | daurn|laptop | :P |
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11:17:57 | aliask | Heh, we all live in the S.E suburbs... |
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11:26:58 | daurn|laptop | or Eastern |
11:27:05 | aliask | Who's eastern? |
11:27:15 | daurn|laptop | western suburbs don't have "tech" |
11:27:25 | daurn|laptop | aliask: a few users |
11:28:22 | daurn|laptop | are there any other melbournian dev type people? |
11:28:42 | aliask | none come to mind. |
11:28:53 | aliask | but then again i have a terrible memory :) |
11:29:03 | * | petur points to rashers page |
11:29:20 | * | aliask is already loading it :) |
11:30:38 | aliask | daurn|laptop: There's someone out near Werribee, so there goes your no-western users theory |
11:30:39 | * | scorche feels lonely |
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11:38:17 | daurn|laptop | chendo! |
11:38:35 | chendo | :o? |
11:39:03 | daurn|laptop | are you vic? |
11:39:09 | chendo | nope, why? |
11:39:14 | daurn|laptop | damn |
11:41:19 | aliask | Hahahaha, chendo on urbandictionary (sorry) |
11:42:23 | chendo | lol |
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11:42:27 | chendo | some nubs were bored |
11:42:34 | aliask | Clearly :D |
11:43:09 | scorche | haha...wow |
11:43:13 | chendo | heh. |
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11:48:55 | daurn|laptop | guess what i did |
11:49:47 | BHSPitLappy | oh no |
11:50:03 | daurn|laptop | i bashed my shin against the roof |
11:50:05 | daurn|laptop | !! |
11:50:10 | BHSPitLappy | hit and run involving your truck, a kid, and his tricycle? |
11:50:11 | BHSPitLappy | oh |
11:50:17 | BHSPitLappy | you're a tall fellow |
11:50:26 | daurn|laptop | now i'm icing it |
11:50:36 | scorche | what flavor? |
11:50:36 | daurn|laptop | its fucking sore |
11:50:39 | JdGordon | how did u bash your shin on the roof? |
11:51:01 | daurn|laptop | i did a somersault while holding onto the architrave |
11:51:21 | JdGordon | ha |
11:52:01 | barrywardell | is there any particular reason why the rockcalerdar plugin in the tracker hasn't been added to cvs? it looks nice |
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11:56:11 | barrywardell | it's here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 |
11:58:25 | Life^ | if i've obtained and played rockdoom, can i play any other .wad file by putting them in the games\doom\addons directory? |
11:59:47 | PaulJam | JdGordon: in the randon_folder_advance_config plugin in the screen to edit the list, the line on top is overlapping the list when you use a larger font (nimbus12 in my case). (h300) |
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12:00:13 | JdGordon | which line on top? |
12:00:17 | PaulJam | JdGordon: and another issue: it would be better if removed folders were removed from the list instead of appearing as blank lines in the list. |
12:00:32 | PaulJam | the line that tells the number of folders |
12:00:35 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yes, but harder to code :) |
12:01:06 | JdGordon | that shouldnt be there... is that what Linus' commit did? |
12:02:31 | sneakums | bummer, no joy on my 80G with the hacked MBR and such |
12:04:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: well, your original code called update_screen() all the time |
12:04:53 | LinusN | so the list never showed because the screen was cleared |
12:05:23 | LinusN | i added a parameter to update_screen() to tell it to not clear the screen |
12:05:50 | Life^ | non-coding advice please? |
12:05:53 | LinusN | i assumed that the folder count was expected to be shown above the list |
12:06:04 | LinusN | since you called update_screen() |
12:06:14 | LinusN | anyway, i'm off to lunch |
12:06:19 | JdGordon | LinusN: hmm.. no, the folder count wasnt intended for that screeen |
12:06:52 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: I guess it's buggy, otherwise I can't find another reason |
12:07:40 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ill have a play in that code later tonight, i have assignment due friay i have to get done |
12:09:40 | barrywardell | Genre9mp3: I don't see any mention of buggyness on the tracker, and it seems to work quite well for me. Are there any specific bugs you're thinking of? |
12:09:53 | amiconn | barrywardell: The reason is that there already is a calendar plugin, and we don't need two of them. Calendar is (currently) recorder only, while rockcalendar works on the newer targets, but llooks rather odd on recorder |
12:11:44 | Life^ | how can i play other .wad files other than rockdoom? -.- |
12:12:00 | scorche | Life^: see PluginDoom |
12:12:19 | barrywardell | ah, OK. but would it not be good to use this one for targets with bigger screens and keep the existing one for the recorder? |
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12:16:44 | Life^ | -.-, first wad i install using the site givin on the plugindoom site, 248 errors -.- |
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12:22:44 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: It's been quite some time when I last used RockCalendar on my H300.. I remember having some bugs but probably these are fixed now... I just thought that maybe this was still the case... |
12:23:31 | JdGordon | my nano finally went dead... got about 9hours batt life.. thats not too shabby :D |
12:24:33 | Genre9mp3 | But this reminds me of the rockblox/tetrox situation (for some time we had both) |
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12:25:06 | JdGordon | lol @ the battery bench output file... apart from the opening text, its empty |
12:25:40 | Genre9mp3 | Then tetrox (now renamed to Rockblox) finally replaced the old rockblox though... |
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12:26:56 | barrywardell | it seems like rockcalendar could replace the existing calendar |
12:27:06 | barrywardell | if it could be adapted to the recorder too |
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12:29:00 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: As I can see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockCalendar it is already adapted |
12:29:41 | pondlife | Hmm, it has it's own virtual keyboard? |
12:29:51 | barrywardell | oh, so maybe it could just be a drop in replacement? |
12:30:07 | pondlife | Does it include RTC support? |
12:30:10 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: yes |
12:30:35 | Genre9mp3 | ^ to both questions |
12:30:42 | barrywardell | pondlife: i think it uses the same virtual keyboard as rockword |
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12:31:17 | pondlife | It would be good to have a single virtual keyboard for all of Rockbox - filename entry etc... |
12:31:28 | Life^ | scorche: got some more of that advice? PluginDoom doesn't seem to want to work with any of the wads :/ |
12:31:32 | pondlife | But I expect I'm not the first to say that |
12:32:15 | * | barrywardell agrees |
12:32:21 | barrywardell | it would be nice |
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12:33:25 | dpro | re |
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12:34:10 | dpro | minor rant: shouldn't the statusbar honor my preferred font setting for the clock and the rest if set to "numeric" ? |
12:34:18 | anjo | hi, trying to compile under ubuntu, got this - WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path! |
12:34:49 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: Don't we already have a single virtual keyboard for all of Rockbox? |
12:34:50 | dpro | anjo: well then export PATH=/path/to/rb/toolchain/bin:$PATH # ? |
12:34:52 | anjo | ran rockboxdev.sh and now have a build-rebdev folder. what do i do next? |
12:35:16 | pondlife | Well, maybe, but not if RockWord and this calendar use a second one |
12:35:41 | Bagder | anjo: when you've run rockboxdev.sh you get the compiler installed in a new path that you need to add to your $PATH before you build Rockbox |
12:35:44 | Genre9mp3 | RockWord isn't in CVS |
12:35:48 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
12:36:12 | pondlife | I guess I think they should both use the in-built one, rather than a new one |
12:36:28 | barrywardell | pondlife: see http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/ for rockword |
12:36:51 | pondlife | Although that one looks nicer. Not sure if I want QWERTY or ABCDEF though |
12:36:53 | Genre9mp3 | Though I like the vk they use |
12:38:29 | anjo | ok, added the apth. running make with error- pdflatex: Command not found |
12:39:09 | barrywardell | is the regular rockbox vk available to plugins? i kinda like the one rockcalendar uses too |
12:39:31 | pondlife | Either way, there should only need to be one. |
12:39:54 | Genre9mp3 | Also, someone at MisticRiver once draw some alternative vks |
12:40:03 | Genre9mp3 | see here: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=413903&postcount=37 |
12:40:11 | dpro | BTW my minimal wps for ipod mini, based on snap (I just like the font) -> http://powerlesspointless.com/gfx/mywps.png |
12:40:13 | anjo | i guess i need tetext installed under ubuntu |
12:40:32 | dpro | anjo: shouldn't be a problem, it simply won't make the docs then |
12:41:42 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: I think it is |
12:42:15 | Bagder | anjo: are you building a binary or a manual? For the binary you won't need the tex stuff but for the manual you won't need the compiler... |
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12:43:16 | Baerman | do these chats always get posted on google? |
12:43:33 | Bagder | they're never "posted on google" |
12:43:36 | Genre9mp3 | Oh.. I just found this, too: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VKeyboardDesignProposal |
12:43:44 | Baerman | yea theres one on google |
12:43:47 | Baerman | 2 actually |
12:43:48 | Bagder | but yes, google index the irc pages we host |
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12:44:00 | Bagder | and yes, we log these conversations |
12:44:13 | Baerman | o0o for wat |
12:44:50 | sneakums | Baerman: every year a prize is given to the best speller |
12:44:57 | Baerman | lol riight |
12:45:11 | Bagder | for many watts actually |
12:45:46 | sneakums | 1.21 gigawatts |
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12:46:02 | scorche | jigawatts... |
12:46:28 | Lynx_ | ot question: how dangerous is a 450V 360 uF ( I think ) capacitor? |
12:46:29 | anjo | i'm following the Simpleguide to compiling , run ../tools/configure > select 24 > N > Normnal build selected |
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12:46:51 | pondlife | Lynx_: Depends if you eat it |
12:47:08 | * | pondlife doesn't know, sorry |
12:47:14 | Lynx_ | hehe |
12:47:24 | Slasheri | Lynx_: that isn't very dangerous even with full charge in it, but it still might be |
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12:47:53 | anjo | http://anjo.pastebin.ca/196142 |
12:47:53 | Lynx_ | Slasheri: ok. it's from a photo flash i want to repair. |
12:47:56 | Slasheri | quite common in cameras flash units |
12:48:07 | Slasheri | ok, just discharge it before touching |
12:48:24 | Lynx_ | Slasheri: how, just by shorting it? |
12:48:26 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: But I think that lots of problems will come up if we switch to a bitmaped vk (eg. lot of bmps for different languages, kbd files etc.) |
12:48:31 | Slasheri | that should do it |
12:48:38 | Lynx_ | Slasheri: ok, thanks |
12:48:57 | Slasheri | and if you don't get any sparks, it's already discharged |
12:49:20 | Lynx_ | i think that has lost in capacity anyway, it's old and the flash doesn't work anymore |
12:49:58 | pixelma | Bagder: I also observed gcc complaining about missing crosscompilers even when building the manual |
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12:50:23 | Bagder | yeah, I've seen that too |
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12:50:45 | anjo | should i move the rockbox source code into the /root/build-rbdev folder created by rockbox.sh? |
12:51:21 | Bagder | anjo: rockboxdev.sh only builds the cross-compiler, no need to save anything from that apart from the actually installed tool set |
12:51:35 | anjo | rockboxdev.sh* |
12:53:26 | anjo | i'm totally confused. |
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12:55:23 | Bagder | once you've installed the cross-compiler and edited your path, get the rockbox source and run configure as mentioned |
12:56:08 | anjo | ah, i need to install the cross-compiler also. |
12:56:15 | Bagder | ? |
12:56:19 | Bagder | that's what rockboxdev.sh does |
12:56:33 | * | petur finds a nice pic to hang up: http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2347-22_11-4505-4512.html?seq=7 |
12:57:02 | Bagder | despair.com has the best posters ;-) |
12:57:10 | JdGordon | lol |
12:57:11 | petur | inded |
12:57:16 | petur | indeed even |
12:58:00 | barrywardell | Genre9mp3: yes, it could get quite complicated. it might be worth the complication if it ends up being easier to use |
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13:01:00 | * | scorche <3s BOFH |
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13:07:08 | anjo | well, i keep getting the same error as "re-rockboxdev.sh" install |
13:08:02 | anjo | pre* (before i ran rockboxdev.sh ) i added /root/build-rbdev to my path |
13:08:15 | * | petur thanks LinusN for the link but really should stop reading and get back to work ;) |
13:08:33 | Bagder | anjo: what's in "/root/build-rbdev" then? |
13:09:13 | Bagder | it seems unlikely to have the cross-compiler binaries in there |
13:09:50 | anjo | ls /root/build-rbdev/ binutils-2.16.1 build-binu build-gcc gcc-4.0.3 summary-a |
13:09:52 | Bagder | rockboxdev.sh tells you what dir you should add to your path |
13:10:26 | daurnimator | JdGordon: what devices do you have? |
13:10:51 | JdGordon | daurnimator: h340 and my sisters nano (which has so far spend more time in my room than in her pocket :D ) |
13:10:57 | JdGordon | h320 even :p |
13:10:58 | daurnimator | heh |
13:11:33 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: lol |
13:11:36 | Bagder | anjo: so what's "prefix" set to in your rockboxdev.sh script, did you change that? |
13:13:36 | anjo | i didn;t change anything, just ran the script and it downloaded agcc 403 etc. i |
13:14:01 | Bagder | then your PATH should contain /usr/local/[target gcc]/bin |
13:14:10 | anjo | it did create a /usr/local/arm-elf/bin folder with binaries |
13:14:14 | Bagder | right |
13:14:23 | anjo | i add that toi my path ? |
13:14:24 | Bagder | that's what you should have in your path |
13:14:32 | anjo | okey dokey :-) thanks |
13:14:35 | Bagder | and that's why rockboxdev.sh said so |
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13:16:05 | anjo | oh slap me silly... |
13:16:14 | anjo | Make your PATH include :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
13:16:19 | pixelma | barrywardell: the current vkeyboard gives more characters than the RockWord one (all the accented...) |
13:16:33 | * | anjo braces for an e-punch in the face |
13:16:40 | Bagder | haha |
13:16:41 | wafer | hey has anyone tried the mpegplayer on rockbox yet? |
13:17:15 | Bagder | wafer: no, it was developed blindly and no one ever tried it </sarcasm> |
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13:17:43 | wafer | oh |
13:18:03 | petur | rofl |
13:18:19 | wafer | so.. anything new the rockbox team is developing |
13:18:49 | anjo | compiling nicely, thanks Badger |
13:21:00 | barrywardell | pixelma: i see. what about the proposal on the wiki. seems well thought out |
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13:26:52 | sneakums | hmm, bootloader seems to be hanging in ata_read_sectors() on my ipod |
13:27:06 | sneakums | (80G 5.5G) |
13:28:04 | sneakums | when trying to read the MBR in disk_init |
13:29:27 | dpro | sneakum: IIRC then there was some talk in here lately about the 5.5gen being a bit rockbox unfriendly |
13:29:56 | sneakums | dpro: someone got it running on a 30G 5.5 with some hackery, which i'm trying to duplicate on my 80G 5.5 |
13:30:25 | dpro | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.msg52653 |
13:30:52 | dpro | sneakums: I think you need to downgrade the original firmware |
13:31:09 | dpro | sneakums: but that's hearsay ... I never had one of those |
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13:31:39 | sneakums | i wish that damn forum wouldn't allow post editing, i keep missing info |
13:31:40 | dpro | sneakums: basically what I'm trying to say is, if you fry it don't come after me ;) |
13:33:17 | sneakums | dpro: the later posts cover the recipe i'm trying to follow |
13:33:59 | sneakums | (i'm pjdc on the forum) |
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13:38:43 | webguest68 | May I humbly ask the devs to look at my patch FS #6145 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6145)? It allows to change pitch in semitone steps. Are there serious shortcomings in it? |
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13:44:05 | sneakums | can lcd functions be called with a mutex held? |
13:44:14 | sneakums | i'm thinking of trying to work out where exactly in ata_read_sectors i'm hanging, tomorrow |
13:45:03 | daurn|laptop | sure, why not? ;0 |
13:49:35 | dpro | aaargh ... I'm just trying to port my pitchscreen from june to last weeks cvs, where are all the PITCH* buton defs gone ... |
13:50:43 | dpro | hmm or did I write them .... |
13:53:38 | dpro | ah so it's now ACTION_* |
13:54:35 | barrywardell | webguest68: you'll need to find keymaps for other targets. and it would be good to find a solution to that 99.9% bug |
13:58:50 | dpro | wow not that's odd ... now I heard another track mixed over the current one, but only for a very short time and crossfade is definitely off ... |
13:59:20 | webguest68 | barrywardell: Ok, I have an idea about 99.9%, but how can I figure out the key mpping for diveces I don't own? |
13:59:23 | dpro | and it wasn't at the end more like in the last quarter or so ... |
13:59:41 | pixelma | barrywardell: I like the proposal - the only thing that I don't like (after first glance) is the "select" to change between input area and keyboard (and might be impossible on Ondio) - "stepping over" like it is done now seems easier to me (just my opinion) |
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14:01:32 | barrywardell | webguest68: you could test in the simulator (precompiled sims for windows are here: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ ) or ask people here for suggestions. I can come up with a keymap for the H10 |
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14:02:32 | barrywardell | pixelma: I'll start looking at the vk code and see how easy it would be to implement the proposal |
14:04:36 | pixelma | you should ask others, too (before putting too much effort in this) :) |
14:06:00 | barrywardell | will do |
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14:09:28 | webguest68 | barrywardell: if you're more or less familiar with mappings in other devices: would the MODE button fit in all of them? Is it present in all daps? (I assume this) |
14:10:53 | webguest68 | barrywardell: the 99.9% problem can be solved by simply adding of 0.5 before taking the int part. |
14:12:58 | pixelma | webguest68: you can also find out about keymaps here: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml (should always be in 4.3.1 WPS Key controls) |
14:13:22 | daurn|laptop | i want a new mp3 player!!!!! |
14:13:46 | pixelma | webguest68: err... 4.3.3 WPS Context menu |
14:16:46 | * | amiconn doesn't like the vkeyboard proposal |
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14:17:27 | amiconn | It wastes too much screen space on lower resolution LCDs |
14:17:28 | webguest68 | pixelma: thanks! But the problem is that it's a new key -> not described in the manual. Do all the daps have the MODE key (as in C code, not as in the manual)? |
14:17:48 | amiconn | (Archos, iPod mini, H10-5GB, iriver remote, X5 remote...) |
14:17:58 | amiconn | webguest68: nope |
14:19:02 | pixelma | webguest68: and you can see in the keytables if the key is already used in the pitch screen (for example: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ondiofm/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-400004.3.1) |
14:22:40 | webguest68 | pixelma: yes, that's a good proposal. I'll try to do it. Or anybody can ;-) Or I'll start a thread in forums. |
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15:05:07 | bluebrother | amiconn, how exactly doesn't loading fm presets work anymore? It seems to be fine for me |
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15:13:28 | godzirra | Morning guys |
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15:21:34 | godzirra | Anyone have a copy of itunes 6 they can send me? |
15:21:43 | godzirra | Or any word on rockbox on 5.5g's? ;p |
15:21:47 | godzirra | which would be even better |
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15:32:37 | daurn|laptop | run perfectly |
15:32:49 | daurn|laptop | just only currently available to the elite |
15:32:57 | daurn|laptop | wait a month and you'll be on happy hill |
15:35:24 | preglow | anyone knows what got updated with the 1.2 nano firmware? |
15:42:08 | godzirra | daurn|laptop: wait, someone has it running on a 5.5g? |
15:42:17 | godzirra | preglow: I know the nike thing got added... |
15:42:22 | godzirra | other than that not sure |
15:42:44 | Bagder | godzirra: according to forum posts it can be tweaked to run on the 5.5 already, yes |
15:42:47 | daurn|laptop | godzirra: yes |
15:43:20 | godzirra | crap |
15:43:26 | godzirra | the forum stopped notifying me :/ |
15:43:28 | godzirra | I thought it had been quiet |
15:43:33 | * | godzirra goes to read |
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15:46:05 | godzirra | awesome. |
15:46:16 | godzirra | I'll wait a few more days and let kinks get ironed out by people smarter than I ;) |
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15:47:20 | godzirra | but thats great news. |
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15:53:47 | tucoz | pixelma, around? |
15:54:03 | pixelma | here.. |
15:54:30 | tucoz | What do you think about including the 'Working with playlists'-chapter to the daily builds? |
15:55:17 | tucoz | It is half-written as it is, but I think it will stay that way for a long time unless the readers have the opportunity to include additions to it. |
15:55:41 | tucoz | Now it simply resides in the source tree, but isn't read by anyone |
15:56:02 | tucoz | In that case, I'll add a \fixme to the top of that chapter. |
15:56:11 | pixelma | I haven't looked at this, yet |
15:57:12 | tucoz | that is ok. I am just thinking of reasons to leave it as it is (half-written, unread by users), or include it (half-written, read and possibly improved by users) |
15:57:59 | pixelma | but I think if it's included... maybe others who want to contribute (but don't compile) could file patches to the tracker |
15:58:10 | tucoz | exactly |
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15:58:42 | pixelma | so if it's not wrong or misleading it could help |
15:58:52 | Genre9mp3 | tucoz: maybe though the second part can also be... "half-written, read and possibly confusing users" ? |
15:59:27 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, as a lot of other things. I think the \fixme note could save us at least some confusion. |
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16:00:13 | tucoz | I'll commit a cleanup at least. |
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16:01:16 | pixelma | also: other things already in there could be confusing too (thinking about the Split editor for example) |
16:01:17 | barrywardell | tucoz: did you see my manual bugreport, FS #6146? would fix it myself, but I'm not too sure what the preferred way of doing it is |
16:01:36 | tucoz | barrywardell, let me check |
16:02:16 | * | tucoz gives an employee of the month badge to barrywardell, for being a developer committing stuff to the manual |
16:02:50 | JdGordon | hehe you stay on your side of cvs and we'll stay on ours... |
16:03:00 | barrywardell | haha |
16:03:19 | tucoz | hehe |
16:05:06 | tucoz | barrywardell, is there some define we could use to fix that issue? |
16:08:19 | godzirra | Sigh... why the hell does itunes import two copies of every song into my itunes database? |
16:08:29 | godzirra | I downgraded to itunes 6 and it does the same thing. |
16:08:49 | barrywardell | tucoz: that's what i was wondering |
16:10:31 | tucoz | do you have anything defined in the h10 config files that we could use perhaps? |
16:10:51 | tucoz | or maybe we could define a HAVE_DUAL_BOOT? |
16:12:20 | tucoz | the best way to include/exclude stuff is by use of defines instead of targets |
16:13:30 | barrywardell | maybe add a define HAVE_FIRMWARE_IN_FLASH? |
16:14:58 | tucoz | maybe. in that case, then that should be added to the appropriate platform/*.tex files |
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16:17:23 | barrywardell | ah, yes. i see it |
16:17:32 | barrywardell | think i can fix that myself now. thanks |
16:17:42 | tucoz | thank you :) |
16:18:02 | tucoz | what are the keys to start and shutdown the h10? |
16:18:14 | barrywardell | there is a power button |
16:18:23 | barrywardell | long hold of power to shut down |
16:18:50 | tucoz | ok. thanks. I'll fix the missing entry underneath the image of the H10. |
16:19:02 | barrywardell | great |
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16:22:33 | tucoz | bluebrother, if you remember me talking about dash yesterday. dash is debian's shell. Debian Almquist SHell. Ubuntu edgy uses this instead of bash (for /bin/sh) by default. |
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16:23:08 | bluebrother | hmm. Why are they using some different shell? Any advantages over bash? |
16:23:17 | * | bluebrother thinks debian is strange |
16:23:29 | tucoz | and the problem is that that shell does not interpret -e at all. in dash, echo -e hello, would would echo -e hello. |
16:24:00 | tucoz | It is less dependent and slightly faster than bash. |
16:24:34 | tucoz | and i've heard that the tab completion is better. |
16:24:41 | bluebrother | ... and a bit incompatible? ;-) |
16:24:57 | bluebrother | I use the programmable bash completion. Really great |
16:25:06 | amiconn | ? My debian installations all use bash by default |
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16:25:20 | pondlife | Anyone thinking of fixing the H300 build warnings? |
16:25:34 | Bagder | bash is a perfect example of something that has embraced and extended posix since day 1 |
16:25:43 | pondlife | "screen_access.c:58: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type" etc. |
16:25:51 | Bagder | so of course nothing is compatible with bash ;-) |
16:26:06 | tucoz | amiconn, this is ubuntu edgy. I don't know why it links /bin/sh to dash. |
16:26:15 | amiconn | AH |
16:26:37 | * | amiconn only tried to install ubuntu once, unsuccessfuly |
16:26:50 | tucoz | I like ubuntu |
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16:27:30 | tucoz | in fact, i have never been this satisfied with any OS in the past |
16:27:36 | bluebrother | I tried debian once and disliked it pretty much |
16:27:56 | * | Bagder runs debian all over |
16:28:01 | godzirra | crap.. anyone know what the link is to the ipod updater? |
16:28:09 | webguest20 | Why there is LANG_PITCH_UP and LANG_SYSFONT_PITCH_UP in english.lang? (The same for _DOWN)? The texts are the same. |
16:28:15 | godzirra | I'm trying to use itunes 6 instead of itunes 7, but I think firmware 1.2 might require you to use 7 :/ |
16:29:01 | tucoz | godzirra, some of these files? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ |
16:29:51 | godzirra | tucoz: nope, I meant the official apple ones. I have a 5.5g so I can't get rockbox workign yet on mine :( |
16:30:03 | godzirra | I would -love- to get rockbox working and ditch itunes forever. I already hate it. |
16:32:39 | preglow | webguest20: probably something that has happened over time |
16:33:36 | amiconn | webguest20: The LANG_SYSFONT_* strings were introduced by lamed. The sysfont doesn't have characters for foreign scripts (e.g. hebrew) |
16:33:39 | tucoz | anyone know how to return to the wps screen on the h10's when you are browsing and a file is playing? |
16:34:03 | amiconn | So the strings are identical for languages which use latin script, and different for others |
16:34:14 | godzirra | *sigh* Yeah, apparently if you have the 1.2 firmware, itunes 6 just -doesn't work- |
16:34:25 | amiconn | Note that this is the wrong solution, imho |
16:35:15 | amiconn | Instead, all screens (apart from debug stuff) should be made to adapt to the user font |
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16:36:09 | preglow | indeed |
16:37:34 | preglow | hrm |
16:38:04 | preglow | any thoughts on whether the pitch control should always use the same resampler playback does? |
16:39:17 | dpro | preglow: what do you mean ? |
16:39:20 | tucoz | bluebrother, what do you say about including the playlist chapter to the manual? |
16:40:15 | webguest20 | amiconn: so what? Are the strings handled in different ways in code? In pitch_screen for example there is nothing special. |
16:40:15 | preglow | dpro: i can't really elaborate any more than what i said right there |
16:40:28 | bluebrother | we should definitely include it but maybe adjust it a bit before ... |
16:40:42 | preglow | hrm, bah, we probably can't do any special tricks anyway |
16:40:52 | tucoz | bluebrother, adjust it in what sense? |
16:40:54 | dpro | preglow: because I would really like to get a grip on the playbacksystem |
16:41:09 | preglow | iriver just supports sample rates which lets them use halfband filters |
16:41:13 | preglow | but we can't do that |
16:41:21 | dpro | preglow: not in the current state but backwards playback would be a true gimmick |
16:41:43 | preglow | dpro: a true gimmick, and utterly useless |
16:42:00 | preglow | it would require us to support backwards decoding in files, not trivial |
16:42:01 | tucoz | bluebrother, I am having a hard time believing anything will happen to that section unless it is included in the manual people read. |
16:42:11 | scottder | great for finding hidden satanic messages :) |
16:42:23 | bluebrother | I'm not sure ... currently it's mostly a incomplete list. |
16:42:26 | bluebrother | true. |
16:42:38 | dpro | preglow: au contraire, that would mean scratching on the clickwheel, dj world domination |
16:42:47 | bluebrother | I changed the coding style some time ago. Haven't got around looking into it further |
16:42:55 | bluebrother | (i.e. remove tabs mostly) |
16:43:01 | tucoz | on that chapter? |
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16:43:22 | bluebrother | yeah, locally. |
16:43:31 | Life^ | can somebody help me with building my site in html? |
16:43:33 | tucoz | so did i. I committed it half an hour ago. (sorry) |
16:43:45 | bluebrother | also, shouldn't it get included as section in the getting started chapter? |
16:43:48 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
16:43:49 | preglow | dpro: i sincerely doubt the clickwheel is good enough for that |
16:44:00 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. it should be a section |
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16:44:09 | tucoz | and we could probably get rid of some sections |
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16:44:35 | bluebrother | a bit different: I really dislike having multiple files called "main.tex" |
16:44:53 | bluebrother | currently I have 5 files in my editor open with the same name. |
16:45:04 | dpro | preglow: not hiphop style just to scrub the buffer to set your cuepoints works ok for me but I can't hear the backspin |
16:45:11 | bluebrother | I think we should move everything out of that main.tex files and use that only to include the section. |
16:45:18 | tucoz | bluebrother, why? My idea of the main.tex files, is so that they are used to control that chapter. |
16:45:43 | preglow | dpro: that should be somewhat easier anyway |
16:45:49 | bluebrother | currently there is a lot of text in the main.tex files. |
16:45:52 | preglow | as long as we don't have to support decoding backwards |
16:46:02 | bluebrother | an option would be to have only includes in that files |
16:46:12 | bluebrother | so they need to get changed seldomly. |
16:46:36 | bluebrother | also, the chapters don't match the folders exactly anymore. |
16:46:56 | dpro | preglow: that shouldn't be much of a problem for most formats - mod maybe being an exception |
16:47:29 | pondlife | I had a dream we could use the pitch control system to give audible fast forward |
16:47:53 | pondlife | And -ve pitch for rewind ;-) |
16:48:01 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes. I think the plugin/main.tex is a good example to how we should work. |
16:48:30 | tucoz | bluebrother, unfortunatley cvs doesn't support renaming very well. |
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16:49:18 | bluebrother | as a first step we could move all text out of the main.tex files |
16:49:37 | bluebrother | so the playlists stuff becomes playlists.tex and main.tex simply includes that |
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16:50:08 | tucoz | but we should not rip out too much. We should stop at the \section level. |
16:50:37 | bluebrother | you mean not having a separate file for subsections? |
16:50:42 | tucoz | not having a file start with \subsection |
16:50:43 | tucoz | yes |
16:50:49 | bluebrother | a file should be at least a section, yes. |
16:51:02 | tucoz | that will mess up emacs indentation at least |
16:51:51 | tucoz | I can clean up the playlist file some more |
16:51:59 | bluebrother | ok. |
16:52:24 | bluebrother | emacs has problems with indenting when the file doesn't start with chapter? |
16:52:33 | bluebrother | or am I getting it wrong here? |
16:52:35 | tucoz | no. it is fine with \section |
16:52:40 | tucoz | but not with \subsection |
16:53:27 | tucoz | and i think that it will be too many files if we start extracting \subsections to their own files |
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16:54:22 | bluebrother | agreed. |
16:54:56 | bluebrother | but I don't think it's good to have text in main.tex −− which is why I want to rip it up a bit more ;-) |
16:55:25 | tucoz | yes. I agree. A main would ideally only be used to control that chapter. |
16:55:36 | tucoz | what to include and what not to include |
16:56:05 | bluebrother | indeed |
16:56:18 | tucoz | Just like the plugins chapter is now :) |
16:56:30 | bluebrother | :) |
16:57:54 | tucoz | Hmm. how should I solve this. Now the sections are of very long names. Like 'Creating playlists by playing a song' |
16:58:05 | tucoz | and 'Creating a dynamic playlist using the Insert and Queue functions' |
16:58:38 | tucoz | Isn't it good enough to cut that to 'Playing a song' and 'Using Insert and Queue'? |
16:59:10 | tucoz | the descriptions are in a context (Creating playlists) after all. |
16:59:31 | bluebrother | maybe. Try it and see if the users complain :D |
16:59:35 | tucoz | hehe |
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17:02:09 | tucoz | bluebrother, should I move the playlist file to the rockbox_interface chapter then? |
17:02:29 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe that's better. |
17:02:49 | Rincewind | servus bluebrother :-) |
17:02:59 | bluebrother | hi Rincewind |
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17:11:24 | tucoz | bluebrother, I think I just add the playlist section from the current location. |
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17:18:11 | godzirra | damnit, ituns won't even let me import my m4a files. |
17:18:40 | godzirra | and it reduplicated every god damned song. |
17:18:40 | godzirra | ARGH |
17:18:56 | godzirra | I fraeking hate itunes. |
17:19:05 | godzirra | so how do you edit your mbr with a hex editor in linux? |
17:19:47 | Genre9mp3 | godzirra: Relax... you are in the right place! ;) |
17:20:27 | godzirra | Genre9mp3: I know. I've had rockbox on my h-120 for 3 years or so |
17:20:39 | godzirra | I'm just frustrated horribly by itunes and how horribly it sucks. |
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17:24:42 | godzirra | so while I'm not clear on how editing the mbr works, I'm not an un-technical person. |
17:25:00 | godzirra | can someone point me towards how to hex edit the mbr? |
17:25:29 | barrywardell | tucoz: about your wps on the H10 question. Play brings you from the file browser to the WPS. |
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17:30:48 | godzirra | anyone? |
17:31:10 | Rincewind | google? |
17:31:16 | tucoz | barrywardell, ok. thanks. What key is to go to the parent directory? |
17:32:17 | barrywardell | left |
17:32:42 | tucoz | :) good. then the browser table is complete. |
17:32:54 | barrywardell | great :) |
17:34:26 | bluebrother | godzirra, you could extract the mbr using dd, convert it to a hex representation using xxd, edit it with your favourite editor and then convert it back (xxd -r) and dd it back. |
17:35:13 | godzirra | bluebrother: and I do it with dd by doing dd if=/dev/sdX of=mbr.bin ? |
17:35:20 | godzirra | i.e. just sdb, not sdb1? |
17:35:36 | bluebrother | mbr is /dev/sdb |
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17:35:48 | bluebrother | (replace sdb with your disk, of course) |
17:35:54 | godzirra | its sdb :) |
17:36:00 | bluebrother | mbr is the first 512 bytes of the disk −− see wikipedia :) |
17:36:24 | godzirra | got it |
17:38:21 | godzirra | I wonder if you can do it in windows if you have the appropriate tools. |
17:38:37 | bluebrother | sure. |
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17:38:46 | godzirra | hmm... I dont think I have mtools |
17:39:09 | bluebrother | http://www.mirkes.de/de/freeware/tinyhex.php |
17:39:17 | bluebrother | should do it. Never tried, though |
17:41:18 | godzirra | huh. I just realized I have no ideaq what to use as the if= line in dd in windows. |
17:41:22 | godzirra | ohw ell.. i'll boot to linux. |
17:41:30 | bluebrother | (use the "english" link on the left side, noted it too late) |
17:41:52 | godzirra | I got it :) |
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17:59:05 | godzirra | So what/where is mtools? |
17:59:48 | bluebrother | godzirra, what do you exactly want to do with mtools? |
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18:00:18 | godzirra | bluebrother: I'm going to follow the info on the website and see if I can get rockbox running on my 5.5g |
18:00:19 | bluebrother | mtools consists of a bunch of tools named like m<dosnameofthattool> |
18:00:56 | bluebrother | which website? |
18:00:57 | godzirra | ahh. |
18:01:02 | godzirra | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.45 |
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18:03:42 | bluebrother | sounds awful |
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18:05:31 | godzirra | More awful than being forced to use itunes? :) |
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18:08:35 | barrywardell | tucoz: i posted my suggested changes to the bug report. what do you think? |
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18:10:15 | tucoz | barrywardell, looking at it now |
18:10:41 | barrywardell | is it too technical? |
18:12:34 | tucoz | I think it looks great. Not too technical. But, you should add a {} after the macros if they are followed by a space. |
18:12:50 | barrywardell | ah, ok. was wondering about that |
18:13:07 | barrywardell | will do. is it ok to commit then? |
18:13:43 | tucoz | you use the \ sometimes (which works). But if you do not have anything after the macros, it will cause the word after the macro to be merged with the macro word. |
18:13:56 | tucoz | yes. I think you should |
18:14:20 | thegeek_ | damn |
18:14:37 | thegeek_ | this means the ipod wins;P |
18:14:46 | barrywardell | breaking the divide between manual editor an coder :) |
18:14:48 | tucoz | if a macro is followed by a . or , etc. you should not add a \ or a {} afterwards. |
18:15:18 | tucoz | as that will add a space |
18:15:39 | barrywardell | ok, thanks. i was a bit confused by that |
18:16:00 | bluebrother | hmm. Adding {} shouldn't do any harm. |
18:16:04 | tucoz | the \ escapes a space. |
18:16:04 | tucoz | ok |
18:16:10 | barrywardell | i'll change the \ to {} |
18:16:16 | tucoz | barrywardell, listen to bluebrother |
18:16:24 | tucoz | yes. that will be fine |
18:16:46 | bluebrother | \, gives a space in math mode, I'm not sure about text mode. |
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18:17:10 | bluebrother | but I guess it will give a half space there too. |
18:17:35 | tucoz | bbl |
18:18:43 | barrywardell | is the X5 rockbox bootloader loaded from disk or flash? |
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18:22:17 | amiconn | It's loaded from flash |
18:23:28 | barrywardell | thanks |
18:23:39 | barrywardell | just spotted that in the wiki too:) |
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18:53:35 | godzirra | Hrm |
18:53:47 | godzirra | dd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.bin should generate a 512 byte file shuoldnt it? |
18:54:48 | godzirra | or am I missing something? |
18:57:07 | bluebrother | it should |
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18:58:14 | godzirra | hm |
18:58:33 | godzirra | shawn@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/mbr.bin |
18:58:44 | godzirra | it doesnt return in like 5 seconds like it should |
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18:58:55 | godzirra | and when I hit ctrl-c it says 223 MB copied |
18:59:34 | bluebrother | try adding bs=512 count=1 |
18:59:44 | bluebrother | seems it tries to copy the whole disk |
18:59:49 | godzirra | ahh there we go |
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19:06:58 | godzirra | when it says reformat that partition, it means just the fat32 partition? |
19:07:23 | godzirra | or the whole drive? |
19:12:55 | godzirra | what mtools do I use to copy the files over onto the rockbox partition after formatting? |
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19:19:50 | bluebrother | mcopy I guess |
19:20:00 | godzirra | When I try and moutn the drive with mmount /dev/sdb2 or mmount /dev/sdb2 /mnt |
19:20:06 | godzirra | it gives me the usage arguments |
19:21:01 | bluebrother | you need to configure a drive letter in mtools.conf |
19:21:08 | godzirra | ahh |
19:21:37 | bluebrother | at least as far as I can see. Never used mmount before |
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19:22:05 | bluebrother | I used mtools back the days when floppy disks were still in use. mcopy a:foo.txt . |
19:22:07 | bluebrother | and similar |
19:23:13 | godzirra | ok, I have it set this way in my mtools.conf: drive c: file="/dev/sdb2" |
19:23:18 | amiconn | barrywardell: I think the definitions (HAVE_FIRMWARE_IN_FLASH / HAVE_FIRMWARE_ON_DISK) are a bit misleading |
19:23:39 | godzirra | then I do this: shawn@ubuntu:~$ sudo mmount c: -t msdos |
19:23:49 | godzirra | is that right? I'm not sure how to confirm its mounted.... |
19:24:06 | bluebrother | when it gets mounted "mount" will show it up |
19:24:17 | godzirra | then its not getting moutned correctly |
19:24:20 | godzirra | what am I doing wrong? |
19:24:28 | bluebrother | no idea. Never used it. |
19:24:31 | amiconn | On archos (and inofficially, H1x0) it's possible to flash the actual rockbox in addition to the bootloader (the latter with a slightly different meaning on archos) |
19:24:36 | godzirra | sigh. |
19:24:37 | bluebrother | but you can simply mcopy your files |
19:24:44 | godzirra | without mounting it? |
19:24:49 | bluebrother | or, at least, you should be able doing so. |
19:24:59 | godzirra | oh. yup. |
19:25:00 | bluebrother | yes, that's one of the purposes of mtools. |
19:25:00 | godzirra | neat! |
19:25:12 | bluebrother | try floppy:/ in konqueror ;-) |
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19:25:33 | barrywardell | amiconn: why do you say that? |
19:25:53 | barrywardell | nvm. just read your second comment |
19:26:17 | godzirra | when I write the mbr back to /dev/sdb, do I still need bytes=512 count=1? |
19:26:43 | barrywardell | amiconn: any suggestions for a better definition? |
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19:27:05 | bluebrother | I don't think so −− the mbr file is only 512 bytes, so dd will stop on end of file |
19:27:09 | godzirra | ok |
19:28:09 | godzirra | Hrm |
19:28:12 | godzirra | that didnt seem to do anything at all |
19:28:29 | godzirra | when it rebooted |
19:28:30 | barrywardell | amiconn: maybe HAVE_ROCKBOX_BL_*? |
19:28:35 | godzirra | it popped right back up into the apple firmware |
19:28:37 | amiconn | HAVE_BOOTLOADER_IN_FLASH / HAVE_BOOTLOADER_ON_DISK comes to mind... |
19:29:03 | amiconn | On, and on archos, there is no bootloader to install by default |
19:29:05 | barrywardell | there are two bootloaders on H10/ipod. |
19:29:48 | amiconn | As long as you don't want to have rockbox in flash (that's optional), the archos bootloader directly loads rockbox |
19:30:08 | barrywardell | there is the one in flash which we don't touch and then the rockbox one which is on disk |
19:30:14 | amiconn | I know |
19:30:29 | amiconn | HAVE_RB_BL_* |
19:30:43 | barrywardell | that sounds best to me |
19:30:57 | amiconn | None of them should be defined for archos, then |
19:31:10 | amiconn | Or is that impossible |
19:31:12 | amiconn | ? |
19:31:36 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe it is. We need a different text, so we need a different option, correct? |
19:31:36 | barrywardell | that's how it is now. nothing defined for archos |
19:31:54 | barrywardell | those definitions are only used for SWCODEC |
19:32:22 | amiconn | Hmm. Are there no installation instructions for archos? |
19:32:27 | * | amiconn checks the manual |
19:32:35 | godzirra | Or does anyone have a patcher version of ipod_fw.c they can send me? It doesnt patch right for me. |
19:32:55 | barrywardell | the instructions are different for SWCODEC/MASCODEC |
19:33:44 | godzirra | anyone know? |
19:34:12 | barrywardell | amiconn: see getting_started/installation.tex |
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19:35:53 | amiconn | Hmm, ok |
19:38:16 | barrywardell | so i'll change it to HAVE_RB_BL_* then? That sounds better to me anyway... |
19:38:25 | godzirra | YES! |
19:38:28 | * | godzirra does the uber happy dance. |
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19:38:48 | godzirra | I have rockbox loading |
19:38:49 | godzirra | on my ipod |
19:38:55 | godzirra | I still need to use mtools to copy mp3s though |
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19:44:12 | godzirra | does rockbox need a special build to use themes? |
19:44:13 | godzirra | i'm confused. |
19:45:31 | bluebrother | to use themes? |
19:45:40 | godzirra | Yes.. I was reading the jclix theme info |
19:45:48 | godzirra | and it has on his page a "rockbox build" for themes. |
19:47:03 | markun | godzirra: yes, you need a special build for his themes |
19:47:24 | godzirra | Ahh. |
19:47:28 | godzirra | I won't use his themes then. |
19:48:08 | bluebrother | godzirra, have a look at rockbox-themes.org |
19:48:27 | godzirra | Ahh thank you |
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19:51:51 | godzirra | how long does it take to copy 17 gigs to an ipod? :) |
19:53:23 | godzirra | approximately? |
19:53:49 | ender` | no idea about ipod, but to iriver, it's about 20 minutes |
19:54:05 | godzirra | ok |
19:54:12 | godzirra | it should be done pretty quick then |
19:55:43 | markun | unless you only have USB 1.1 |
19:56:34 | godzirra | I'm pretty sure I have 2... how can I tell? |
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19:59:55 | excitatory | godzirra: you probably have 2, but if it takes the better part of today to transfer, you have 1.1, and will then be forced to go out and upgrade your pc.. :D |
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20:00:26 | godzirra | lol |
20:00:32 | godzirra | Its a laptop I bought about 2.5 weeks ago |
20:00:44 | excitatory | oh yea.. you're good |
20:01:05 | excitatory | usb 2 has been around for >5 years, at least.. |
20:01:27 | godzirra | yeah, I just looked it up to make sure |
20:01:31 | godzirra | I was pretty sure it wasnt 1.1 :) |
20:01:41 | godzirra | although it -is- still copying :/ |
20:01:53 | excitatory | well, ipods are slow |
20:02:03 | excitatory | it takes about 20 minutes to fill my 2gb nano |
20:02:14 | godzirra | jesus |
20:02:16 | godzirra | are you serious? |
20:02:33 | godzirra | is there a way on linux to tell how long somethings been running? |
20:02:39 | excitatory | yea.. idk why either..it's rather annoying, but i've always noticed that about ipods |
20:03:08 | BHSPitMonkey | excitatory, in Apple's disk mode, or the hardware disk mode? |
20:03:08 | excitatory | godzirra: the only way i know is to append the time command before the command you're running. |
20:03:18 | godzirra | or use ps? :) |
20:03:23 | godzirra | 24 minutes. |
20:03:27 | excitatory | idk, perhaps |
20:04:08 | excitatory | BHSPitMonkey: um..idk.. hardware disk mode, i believe.. i deleted my apple firmware a long time ago.. so hardware, i guess, right? |
20:04:14 | BHSPitMonkey | excitatory, that's why. |
20:04:25 | excitatory | hrm. |
20:04:35 | excitatory | please elaborate.. |
20:04:42 | BHSPitMonkey | in that diskmode it's restricted to usb 1.1 |
20:04:51 | BHSPitMonkey | look at lsusb output when you have it connected |
20:04:56 | excitatory | argh. |
20:05:03 | excitatory | i knew something was up |
20:05:06 | BHSPitMonkey | in the disk mode within appleOS, it's 2.0 |
20:05:10 | BHSPitMonkey | that's just a nano bug. |
20:05:18 | excitatory | lame.. |
20:05:30 | BHSPitMonkey | might be corrected by now, but you probably don't want to run the updater, right. |
20:05:32 | excitatory | well damn. i can't be havin' this |
20:05:42 | BHSPitMonkey | well, you could just backup your firmware partition |
20:05:46 | godzirra | wait... |
20:05:51 | godzirra | in which diskmode its usb 1.1? |
20:06:00 | godzirra | and is it for all ipods? |
20:06:03 | BHSPitMonkey | the crappy looking one. |
20:06:03 | excitatory | hardware, on the nano |
20:06:05 | BHSPitMonkey | and no, just the nano. |
20:06:07 | godzirra | Oh ok |
20:06:08 | godzirra | whew |
20:06:10 | godzirra | :) |
20:06:19 | BHSPitMonkey | just type lsusb and look at the output |
20:06:22 | amiconn | There is no hardware disk mode. |
20:06:39 | amiconn | USB is completely software-driven on the ipod |
20:07:12 | BHSPitMonkey | amiconn, whatever you want to call the disk mode that's outside of apple's firmware. |
20:07:16 | excitatory | BHSPitMonkey: well..damn.. i've been rather sick of slow transfers.. so what can i do? (keep in mind i don't have access to a mac or windows.. well maybe a friend..idk) |
20:07:30 | amiconn | There is 'emergency disk mode' (in the apple EEPROM) and "ordinary" disk mode in retailos |
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20:07:50 | amiconn | BHSPitLappy: No, it _is_ apples disk mode in both cases |
20:07:54 | godzirra | I wish there was an mtools command to do a disk usage |
20:07:56 | godzirra | or an ls |
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20:08:11 | amiconn | Just one is in eeprom, the other in retailos itself |
20:08:12 | BHSPitMonkey | amiconn, if you want to be technical you could say portalplayer's. |
20:08:33 | BHSPitMonkey | amiconn, we communicate to be understood, not to be scored for accuracy. |
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20:09:29 | excitatory | so do i need teh appleos to have usb2? (i had originally deleted it to gain an extra ~64mb, and increase boot time by 2 seconds) |
20:09:32 | godzirra | 30 minutes its been copying now :/ |
20:10:29 | BHSPitMonkey | excitatory, it's possible that if you update your iPod, that bug would be fixed. |
20:10:41 | BHSPitMonkey | and then you could just re-write your firmware partition as it is now |
20:11:08 | BHSPitMonkey | I am unsure as to whether it's been fixed. |
20:12:11 | amiconn | hrmph |
20:12:20 | bluebrother | godzirra, mdir? |
20:12:24 | amiconn | Shutdown screen on recv1 is still not working |
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20:12:49 | godzirra | I thouht mdir heh |
20:12:51 | godzirra | oops |
20:12:52 | godzirra | heh |
20:12:55 | bluebrother | last time I copied my complete h120 it took several hours −− the disk isn't as fast as a usual usb2 disk. |
20:12:56 | godzirra | plain floppy: device "/dev/sdb2" busy (Resource temporarily unavailable): |
20:13:05 | godzirra | Wow. |
20:13:06 | godzirra | that sucks. |
20:13:13 | godzirra | oh well, i'm going to have t ohit ctrl+c and do it later then |
20:13:18 | godzirra | i've got to go install a server. |
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20:13:54 | excitatory | amiconn: do you know anything about this? the usb1/2 thing in EDM, and if an ipod update would fix this? |
20:14:26 | amiconn | I don't know. My mini2g does transfer at USB2 high speed in emergency disk mode |
20:14:31 | godzirra | ok |
20:14:35 | godzirra | in 30 minuts I got to the O's |
20:14:44 | godzirra | But Overclock Remix has about 7 of the 20 gigs :) |
20:15:09 | amiconn | godzirra: How many gigs did it transfer in 30mins? |
20:15:17 | godzirra | how do I check? |
20:15:28 | godzirra | hmm |
20:15:29 | godzirra | thats interesting. |
20:15:33 | godzirra | 73 071 378 432 bytes free |
20:15:38 | godzirra | is what it said at the bottom. |
20:15:44 | godzirra | correct me if i'm wrong, but that says 73 gigs? |
20:16:06 | bluebrother | depends if you're calculatin gigabytes or gibibytes |
20:16:10 | godzirra | no idea |
20:16:14 | godzirra | thats what mdir output |
20:17:00 | bluebrother | it's bytes. That's about 68 GiB or 73 GB |
20:17:06 | godzirra | yeah, thats wrong :) |
20:17:07 | pondlife | lostlogic: around yet? |
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20:17:14 | amiconn | godzirra: eh? |
20:17:24 | godzirra | I have a 30 gig ipod :) |
20:17:27 | bluebrother | windows calls GiB GB, which is confusing and even wrong. |
20:17:40 | godzirra | For it to have 73 GB free would be a pretty cool trick |
20:18:10 | pondlife | Slasheri: you around perchance? |
20:18:27 | bluebrother | then I guess it calculates wrong ... wrong sector size? |
20:18:34 | Slasheri | pondlife: you never know ;) |
20:18:38 | amiconn | Maybe mdir calculates wrong as it's confused by the 2048byte real vs. 512byte virtual sectors (as seen from the pc) |
20:18:41 | pondlife | Aha! |
20:18:44 | godzirra | Could be. |
20:18:59 | amiconn | What's the real disk size? |
20:19:06 | amiconn | nm, you said it |
20:19:19 | Slasheri | pondlife: so, what is in your mind? :) |
20:19:36 | pondlife | Slasheri: I have made a slightly radical change to playback.c, I've scrapped buf_ridx and used ci.curpos to work the read position out instead |
20:19:50 | pondlife | This has cured the problem I was looking into... |
20:19:59 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, interesting |
20:20:08 | Slasheri | pondlife: how did it work when track changes? |
20:20:14 | pondlife | Seems ok. |
20:20:21 | amiconn | godzirra: With a little interpretation I guess that it managed to copy around 10gigs within the 30 mins. |
20:20:33 | amiconn | That's definitely faster than usb1.1 full speed |
20:20:39 | godzirra | Eh. thats not horrible I guess. |
20:20:49 | Slasheri | so you use instead tracks[track_ridx].buffer_start[ci.curpos] or something like that? |
20:20:54 | pondlife | Rather than buf_ridx, I'm using tracks[track_ridx].buf_idx+ci.curpos (allowing for ring buffer overflow of course) |
20:21:05 | Slasheri | ok, that sounds good |
20:21:11 | pondlife | Also filebufused has gone too |
20:21:21 | pondlife | That is now buf_widx-"buf_ridx" |
20:21:27 | Slasheri | i think that should work without problems |
20:21:37 | Slasheri | nice :) |
20:21:44 | pondlife | So the codec controls all read positions, and audio just fills |
20:22:14 | pondlife | Crossfade still works, I just wondered it there was anything else I might have sacrificed by doing this |
20:22:19 | godzirra | 27.58 seconds to copy 97 megs. |
20:22:23 | godzirra | I'm off to go install a server folks. |
20:22:24 | Slasheri | yep, seems to be a good approach. And now it might be even simplier to separate buffering code if ever needed |
20:22:25 | godzirra | talk to you all later. |
20:22:38 | pondlife | It did seem to be a juggling act, synchronising all these variables... |
20:22:40 | Slasheri | pondlife: just commit and fix later :) |
20:22:49 | pondlife | Not ready for commit yet |
20:22:54 | Slasheri | ah ;) |
20:23:01 | pondlife | Lots of debugging code to clear out etc. |
20:23:04 | pondlife | Maybe tomorrow |
20:23:14 | pondlife | I'll pop a patch up first too |
20:23:32 | pondlife | But it's another big simplification... if it all works. |
20:23:33 | Slasheri | if i get ever time to work with the playback.c, i would like to separate the buffering code into a different file |
20:23:56 | pondlife | Well, I've now seperated playback.c into 3 sections - audio_ codec_ voice_ |
20:24:02 | pondlife | They could easily become 3 files if needed |
20:24:16 | pondlife | I did think about scrapping playback.c ;) |
20:24:30 | Slasheri | :D |
20:24:33 | pondlife | And introducing playbackc.c, playbackv.c and playbacka.c |
20:24:38 | pondlife | Or something |
20:24:49 | pondlife | That's another day's work though |
20:25:12 | pondlife | There would need to be more interfaces introduced to delink the voice stuff more |
20:25:13 | Slasheri | i would like to implement a simple and powerfull api for the buffering without dependencies from playback.c |
20:25:18 | godzirra | how weird |
20:25:20 | godzirra | on my ipod |
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20:25:26 | godzirra | none of the themes wps files are loading graphics right it seems |
20:25:30 | godzirra | it loads a background but no other graphics |
20:25:42 | Slasheri | that would allow it to allocate the tracks differently without need for playback engine know about how it works |
20:25:47 | godzirra | actually, it doesnt appear to parse much of anything right... |
20:25:56 | amiconn | pondlife: I hope your work also makes playback.c easier to understand. The task sepaaration (audio fills, codec reads) sounds good |
20:26:02 | godzirra | Like it says 114|318|Alien Angel |
20:26:05 | pondlife | So you don't know of any good reason why buf_ridx needs to exist. |
20:26:08 | * | amiconn still wants to unify playback code |
20:26:17 | pondlife | amiconn: This should help |
20:26:30 | Slasheri | pondlife: no, it's only an improvement that it has been removed |
20:26:37 | pondlife | OK |
20:26:43 | Slasheri | no more as strict dependencies from other tracks in the buffer |
20:26:50 | godzirra | anyone have any ideas? |
20:27:10 | pondlife | My new code may be less efficient though. More calculations for sure. |
20:27:15 | mirak | haloa |
20:27:22 | pondlife | Although small compared to the codec work, and much more readable |
20:27:56 | amiconn | pondlife: Does your work already include metadata on buffer, or prepare that? |
20:28:02 | pondlife | No |
20:28:18 | pondlife | That's why I wanted to talk to lostlogic |
20:28:21 | amiconn | ok |
20:28:28 | pondlife | I hope what I'm doing won't make that harder. |
20:28:57 | pondlife | Because the read position will now be at the mercy of the codec |
20:28:59 | * | amiconn thinks he should start separating hwcodec playback from hwcodec recording |
20:29:17 | Slasheri | pondlife: and please don't hurry about moving the metadata to the buffer.. there is many ways to do that |
20:29:29 | * | amiconn needs a spare time generator :( |
20:29:47 | pondlife | amiconn: There are more plugins to be ported to the player yet too. |
20:30:04 | pondlife | Charmap doom anyone? |
20:30:09 | amiconn | Yes, and in fact I am on to one |
20:30:14 | pondlife | :) |
20:30:26 | obo | aalib doom? :) |
20:30:29 | amiconn | FlipIt needs cleanup anyway, and is also a candidate for a player port |
20:30:45 | pondlife | Solitaire? Those cards still don't bounce realistically enough IMHO. |
20:30:54 | amiconn | lol |
20:31:01 | Slasheri | pondlife: i think that the buffering api might be good idea to implement before that change.. would be a more advanced solution |
20:32:51 | pondlife | Sorry, I don't understand... |
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20:33:20 | pondlife | I've got to go, too. :( |
20:33:33 | Slasheri | don't worry, i will have a look on that if i get some time soon ;) |
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20:33:46 | BigMac | Soap around? |
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21:00:15 | dpro | re |
21:00:52 | godzirra | ok, i'm at the data center waiting for crap to copy |
21:01:01 | godzirra | anyone have any idea why my ipod seems to only be parsing part of the wps file? |
21:03:50 | dan_a | godzirra: Is it a WPS which comes with Rockbox, or one you downloaded? |
21:03:56 | godzirra | one which I downloaded |
21:04:02 | godzirra | which ones come with rockbox? i'll test one of those |
21:04:07 | godzirra | dan_a: And its -all-of the ones I downloaded |
21:04:08 | godzirra | not just one |
21:04:13 | godzirra | from rockbox-themes.org |
21:04:39 | dan_a | A lot of the downloaded ones need a patched version of Rockbox - for e.g. album art |
21:05:04 | godzirra | this one seems to be just loading bmps |
21:05:06 | godzirra | no album art |
21:07:03 | dan_a | DancePuffDuo, Unicatcher, boxes, engineeer2, iAmp, iCatcher, ipodVOL, marquee and zezayer are the included ones. |
21:07:39 | dan_a | Load the whole theme (not just the WPS) otherwise they probably won't look right |
21:08:18 | godzirra | ok, of those I only have boxes |
21:08:19 | godzirra | and it looks ok |
21:08:40 | godzirra | wait, i have unicatcher and icatcher too |
21:09:19 | dan_a | I think if you get a theme for your machine, that has a minimum version of "any recent daily build" it *should* work |
21:09:21 | godzirra | nope |
21:09:23 | godzirra | still doesnt load the background |
21:09:31 | godzirra | I have a daily build from probably... hmm |
21:09:33 | godzirra | i dunno.. a week ago? |
21:10:22 | dan_a | Which themes haven't worked? |
21:10:51 | dpro | godzirra: which ipod anyway ? |
21:11:03 | godzirra | 5.5g |
21:11:24 | godzirra | jblackglass, flamebox, hipod dark x5,and then unicatcher and icatcher |
21:11:24 | dpro | godzirra: ah ok, I have only access to a mini ATM so backgrounds aren't really an issue over here ;) |
21:11:28 | godzirra | hhe |
21:11:29 | godzirra | hehe |
21:12:06 | dpro | godzirra: but my last cvs checkout is about from that time |
21:12:20 | dpro | godzirra: but all the less spiffy ones work ? |
21:12:26 | dan_a | jBlackGlass has a minimum version of "jBuild" |
21:12:38 | dan_a | (i.e. a patched Rockbox) |
21:12:38 | godzirra | they still display an image trying to load in the top left corner |
21:12:41 | godzirra | and it doesnt load |
21:12:45 | godzirra | dan_a: ok |
21:13:05 | godzirra | all of them seem to be trying to load a background |
21:13:17 | dan_a | Try the ones that say "Any Recent Daily Build" as the Min Version |
21:13:30 | godzirra | ook, i'll have to try when i get home |
21:13:35 | godzirra | I'm just thrillde i have it running |
21:13:37 | godzirra | I detest itunes :) |
21:13:40 | dan_a | HiPod Dark should work |
21:14:18 | dan_a | (though HiPod Dark X5 is probably for the IAudio X5) |
21:14:27 | godzirra | Probably |
21:14:35 | godzirra | but it should still load the background |
21:14:38 | godzirra | and just look funny maybe |
21:14:44 | godzirra | i'll try more when I get home and chat with you guys about it |
21:15:18 | dan_a | I'm just happy to have the LED on my Sansa flashing... WPSs are a long way away! |
21:15:34 | godzirra | hehe |
21:17:10 | preglow | sounds good |
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21:18:41 | Lear | Archos users might dislike the recent changes in TagCache. With the default tagnavi.config, it now allocates some 280 kB during startup (with no tagcache in RAM). :) |
21:19:14 | lostlogic | darn, missed pondlife |
21:19:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: what's the latest commit good for? |
21:20:43 | Slasheri | lostlogic: yep, that will be optimized in future.. more dynamic allocations =) |
21:20:51 | Slasheri | i meant Lear. |
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21:22:43 | lostlogic | Slasheri: no performance concerns with pondlife's new buf_ridx removal? That's be the only thing I'd have against it. It actually also makes metadata-on-buffer easier, IMO |
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21:23:22 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i don't think that would have a huge impact in performance |
21:23:30 | Slasheri | something like +-2% should be ok |
21:24:03 | Slasheri | yes, and it makes it easier to implement the separate buffering api and buffering schemes |
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21:24:20 | ikke33 | hi |
21:24:32 | ikke33 | i've got a question about rockbox on my ipod video |
21:24:42 | ikke33 | is there a way i can set the font higher |
21:24:48 | ikke33 | so the lettres are bigger? |
21:24:54 | ikke33 | words* |
21:25:18 | lostlogic | Slasheri: coo' hey −− we agreed about something just now :-P |
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21:25:52 | Slasheri | hehe, the legendary moment :D |
21:26:28 | lostlogic | ikke33: you can select fonts... somewher ein the menu |
21:26:31 | lostlogic | check the manual for details |
21:27:07 | Lear | Hmm... Build server down again? |
21:27:08 | obo | and make sure you've downloaded the font zip from the daily build page if you haven't done so before |
21:27:50 | ikke33 | ok thx |
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21:30:04 | lostlogic | there's a build running on my box atm |
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21:30:34 | Slasheri | and here as well |
21:30:47 | Lear | Ah, now it shows on the cvs page. Took a little while. |
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21:34:34 | ikke33 | anyone know where i can find the .fnt files for fonts? |
21:34:43 | ikke33 | i downloaded last update but can't find them |
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21:38:23 | ikke33 | lostlogic u still here? |
21:38:35 | Lear | ikke33: See "last" archive on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
21:38:47 | Lear | (Down to the right) |
21:38:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: which? |
21:38:57 | ikke33 | ahh |
21:38:58 | ikke33 | srry :p |
21:41:45 | preglow | the one you just commited? |
21:42:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: Help keep the meters better synced with the audio even if playback struggling and lurching. |
21:42:49 | preglow | cool |
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21:43:46 | jhMikeS | It looked a bit better on x5 so it probably helps on iRiver too. I didn't change the update rate defined for the WPS though (20fps) |
21:44:04 | mirak | can gcc4 be used to build the toolchain ? |
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21:46:52 | markun | mirak: I would think so |
21:46:59 | markun | doesn't it work? |
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21:48:17 | mirak | don't know, I didn't switched yet |
21:48:23 | Lear | I think I've done that on ubuntu... (32-bits at least) |
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21:50:42 | Bagder | dan_a: nice commit! |
21:52:25 | dan_a | Bagder: Thank you! It was about time we had some movement |
21:52:36 | Bagder | indeed |
21:53:30 | dan_a | It seems to take a *very* long time to start running though |
21:54:01 | Bagder | it does? how weird |
21:54:10 | preglow | how long? |
21:54:19 | Bagder | well I think the OF takes oddly long too |
21:54:26 | preglow | tried doing a set_cpu_frequency? |
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21:54:52 | preglow | what's the risk of breaking the sandisks, btw? |
21:54:59 | dan_a | Not yet, and I've not set the cache up yet |
21:55:11 | Bagder | preglow: there should be no risk at all really |
21:55:55 | dan_a | I've not broken mine yet |
21:56:23 | Bagder | ... as we don't mess with the original bootloader and that has a recovery mode |
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21:57:16 | preglow | lostlogic: he's here! |
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22:00:39 | amiconn | godzirra: Iirc background bitmaps are loaded _only_ if the bitmap matches the LCD resolution exactly |
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22:06:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | And the bitmap must be 24-bit I believe |
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22:11:45 | sneakums | the ipod sim loaded my optimized 8-bit backgrounds, fwiw |
22:12:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Using either the %X wps tag or the "Set as Backdrop" menu option? |
22:12:57 | sneakums | the latter |
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22:13:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hm, I thought 24-bit was a requirement on backdrops for some reason, even though 1 and 8 are valid in WPSes. |
22:13:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then again, it doesn't really matter what you use. |
22:13:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | For backdrops they're all converted to the native LCD dept and stored in a static sized buffer anyway. |
22:14:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | depth |
22:14:32 | sneakums | mostly i did it because i was concerned about the 24bit -> 16-bit colour squash, so figured bitmaps with fewer colours might work better |
22:14:49 | sneakums | but since i haven't been able to get it to run on my 5.5 yet, i can't really check |
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22:22:16 | Soap | a colour subject to squashing will squash (I like that word) regardless of how many colours you use I believe. |
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22:30:59 | L | Hello guys |
22:31:47 | markun | hi L |
22:32:11 | L | Hey |
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23:06:33 | mirak | markun: did you research of appartment advanced ? |
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23:20:01 | markun | mirak: haven't found a room yet |
23:20:15 | markun | Why, are you inviting me? ;) |
23:20:34 | mirak | that's really too small sorry :) |
23:20:38 | mirak | 18 m² |
23:20:58 | preglow | moving to france? |
23:21:07 | markun | internship in paris |
23:21:13 | preglow | ritghieo |
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23:21:44 | mirak | markun: 300 euros is really the max you can afford ? |
23:22:23 | mirak | you want to live near Univ Paris 8 or inside Paris ? |
23:23:04 | preglow | hah |
23:23:13 | preglow | you wouldn't get anything in oslo for that, i think |
23:23:20 | preglow | how are paris prices? |
23:24:09 | jhMikeS | sneakums: why not dither 24->16? |
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23:25:06 | sneakums | jhMikeS: couldn't find an easy way to do that in the gimp |
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23:25:18 | preglow | i betcha there is a way, though |
23:25:27 | sneakums | dithering to 256 with F-S looks pretty good though |
23:25:35 | jhMikeS | gimp? enlighten me on that term |
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23:25:48 | sneakums | jhMikeS: image-editing softwre |
23:25:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: www.gimp.org |
23:25:53 | ender` | www.gimp.org |
23:26:10 | preglow | photoshop-alike that's not really photoshop yet, heh |
23:26:10 | jhMikeS | I mean on the fly when you load it. I could put that together pretty quick |
23:26:55 | jhMikeS | only need 32 bytes for the matrices |
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23:28:20 | jhMikeS | maybe I'm way off purpose? |
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23:36:19 | jhMikeS | heh...I'll just do it...recording's stuck right now anyway. |
23:37:54 | * | scorche is off to a covenant/rotersand/imperative reaction concert ^_^ |
23:38:25 | L | Hmmmmm |
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23:42:24 | sneakums | jhMikeS: that'd be pretty keen |
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23:46:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: Some effort is made to convert from 24->16, but I'm not sure how it's done. |
23:47:05 | sneakums | all i saw when i read the code was the colours being truncated |
23:47:09 | sneakums | but maybe i missed somethiing |
23:47:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | I doubt they were just truncated. |
23:47:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | That seems odd |
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23:54:19 | jhMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: truncation |
23:54:36 | jhMikeS | It just uses the RGBPACK macro |
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23:57:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah well |