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#rockbox log for 2006-10-10

00:00:11Kitt0si will, but i just hate seeing all the unrelated folders
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00:00:21amiconnbluebrother: Oh, and the error is systematic. Looks like a range problem
00:00:22tucozKitt0s, I have my directories like: 1. Music, 2. Data, 3. Games
00:00:28tucozas an example
00:00:33Kitt0swhats on Data?
00:00:37amiconnIf I tune to 102.6, reboot and re-enter, it goes to 89.8
00:00:38Kitt0swhats on GAmes?
00:00:50amiconn102.7 maps to 89.9 after reboot, etc
00:00:58tucozI can keep my gb roms there for instance
00:01:10bluebrotherok, there is a swap of freq_min by freq_max in radio.c:308.
00:01:12Kitt0sahh k
00:01:13tucozand in data i can keep documents and random junk
00:01:21Kitt0sbut where is the rockbox folder?
00:01:24tucozthis is to clean up the root folder
00:01:27bluebrotherbut this shouldn't affect the frequency tuned in.
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00:01:52Kitt0swell this thing is for my friend, he uses both rockbox and the original ipod firmware, so there are these gay folders
00:02:17Kitt0smabye someone can make a patch for this?
00:02:38LinusNbluebrother: looks like you calculate the frequency in the wrong way
00:03:07LinusN curr_freq = global_settings.last_frequency
00:03:07LinusN * fm_region[global_settings.fm_region].freq_step
00:03:07LinusN + fm_region[global_settings.fm_region].freq_min;
00:03:10Paul_the_NerdKitt0s: Just hide the folders you don't want to see.
00:03:28bluebrotherI do? I mostly only swapped the defined values with the ones from the region setting.
00:03:34SoapKitt0s - you don't see the .rockbox folder because it begins with a period, which unixlike systems hide. Rockbox follows this behavior. You couldn't, though, do the same for the apple folders.
00:03:46LinusNnah, i was wrong
00:03:46bluebrothercurr_freq = global_settings.last_frequency * FREQ_STEP + MIN_FREQ;
00:03:52bluebrotherwas the original line.
00:03:53Paul_the_NerdSoap: But you can just mark them as Hidden.
00:03:58Kitt0ssame for .rockbox right?
00:04:04Kitt0sthe folder sry
00:04:05amiconnbluebrother: 3rd bug: If you tune to xx.05 in europe, the display shows xx.5 . Very confusing...
00:04:28Davide-NYCPaul_the_Nerd: I think the encoder decoder plugin should be two separate plugins.
00:04:36Davide-NYCI mean the request for it.
00:04:51Davide-NYCEncoder_Plugin and Decoder_Plugin
00:05:07bluebrother3rd bug: I've changed the lang file, so the translations may be wrong.
00:05:15Davide-NYCwith essentially the same functionality but witht he obvious differentce
00:05:38bluebrotherbut I could have thought of that myself as I don't need to understand the language for that change. My bad.
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00:05:52amiconnbluebrother: Then you did something in the wrong way: you reused a string in a way that's not backwards compatible
00:06:03Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: But my request was a "Transcoder Interface". There is a WAV codec. It's "Go from one supported format to another."
00:06:17Paul_the_NerdBecause a WAV is a supported playback format, to encode you just got "WAV->Compressed"
00:06:20amiconnIn this case, a new string should be added and the old one deprecated
00:06:37Paul_the_NerdSince WAV is a supported encoding format, you go from "Compressed->WAV"
00:06:52Paul_the_NerdBut you can also do "AAC->MP3" with that concept.
00:06:59bluebrothershould I deprecate it now or change all translations?
00:07:06Paul_the_NerdWithout needing disk space to dump the inbetween WAV
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00:07:07barrywardellLinusN: do you know if there is a feature to automatically switch Rockbox off when the battery gets below a certain level?
00:07:11Davide-NYCthe guys in here are telling me you can;t easily load to codecs at once
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00:07:27Paul_the_NerdNot at the moment, no.
00:07:50Paul_the_NerdThe request doesn't have to be done the way I requested. I just wrote the request for what *I* would like to see.
00:08:27Paul_the_NerdIs it the IRAM issue that really prevents the using of two codecs at once?
00:08:41amiconnbluebrother: The frequency problem is definitely a range problem in the settings block.
00:08:50Davide-NYCI'm just thinking that if user benchmarking could be achieved for decoders (realtime and non) in an easy way we could get people to contribute data.
00:08:58amiconnUp to 100.25 it stores the correct frequency, then it wraps
00:09:08Davide-NYCdoing it the way I am not is imprecise and time consuming
00:10:26Paul_the_NerdI just think its a bit unnecessary to go through all that effort *just* for a benchmarking tool, when actual transcoding would be quite useful.
00:10:51*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs
00:11:08Paul_the_NerdThe fact that I've posed the feature request like that no way precludes anyone from doing it differently anyway
00:11:41amiconnbluebrother: The settings block uses 8 bits for storing the last frequency. 255*0.05 + 87.5 = 100.25 ...
00:12:02amiconnI.e. with 50kHz steps, 8 bits aren't enough
00:12:13bluebrotherok. Haven't thought of that :(
00:12:39Davide-NYCPaul_the_Nerd: I hear ya and it would be cooler the way you proposed it... but if it's much less likely to get coded that way I think a two step solution is fine.
00:12:50amiconnUse 9 bit and bump the cfg block version. Leaves the other 2 problems...
00:13:01Davide-NYCWMA−−>WAV then WAV−−>MP3
00:14:05bluebrotheramiconn, how should I address the lang problem? Change all langs in cvs or deprecate the string?
00:14:07*amiconn wonders why it looks like quite a number of devs don't really test before committing... :/
00:14:33*jhMikeS maybe I should follow their example :)
00:15:04jhMikeSdamn the torpedos...patch goes up now! :D
00:15:06Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: The biggest problem with that is that the only time I can see myself transcoding on the fly is when wavpack wasn't small enough afterall, which means there's certainly no room to explode to wav first. :)
00:15:56Paul_the_NerdI would like to know why it's hard to load both a playback and recording codec simultaneously. I'm curious what the problem actually is.
00:16:02jhMikeSYou can fill a memory buffer with pcm with the decoder...swap codecs...and write out...wash rinse repeat till done
00:16:12*ikke33 doesn't understand any of this
00:16:19Davide-NYCThe way I would use it is if I had a file that was in a non-realtime format and transcode on the fly to something I could listen to!!!
00:16:31Davide-NYCI think that would just be killer.
00:16:37Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: Pretty much my throught on actually transcoding, when not benchmarking.
00:16:50jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: nonrelocatable code, that's what
00:16:53sneakumscurrently the codecs are written to load at a fixed address, i think
00:16:54amiconnDavide-NYC: Why not just transcode it *before* putting it on the dap? Would make 100% more sense to me...
00:17:05Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: And when benchmarking either the input is PCM/Wav or the output is being lost as soon as it's created.
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00:17:22sneakumsso you'd have to make them relocatable, and also probably make memory allocation more complex to handle two clients at once
00:17:37Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: I know the code's non-relocatable, I'm just a little surprised the input and output codecs are mapped to the same place. Is this in case we have plugins we want to interact with Recording?
00:17:42amiconnbluebrother: Choose one of these options, I'd say
00:17:46jhMikeSThe encoders write do their own file writing so youd have to redirect those apis to fake file apis
00:17:51Davide-NYCamiconn: in general I totally agree, but what if not infront of machine?
00:18:19Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: That sounds like a problem with the "codecs" then, as file writing usually isn't part of a codec's job.
00:18:19Davide-NYCplus it lends itself to getting the users to help benchmark
00:18:19amiconnDavide-NYC: How would you move a track onto your dap without a PC?
00:18:53jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: There's been no effort to really distinguish them yet. I did give the encoders a differnt majic in the headers 'RENC'
00:18:56Davide-NYCI can imagine myself moving a directory structure to the DAP without being totally familiar with what is in there and listening whiole travleing
00:19:00amiconnWell, technically you can do that on a H300 - and also X%, but only when rockbox isn't installed - via USBOTG
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00:19:52Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: For example, transcoding files that turn out to be non-realtime if a computer is not available (say you prepared AAC audiobooks for a trip), or reencoding a lossless recording to something lossy because it ends up taking up more space than expected.
00:20:43Davide-NYCamiconn: if you check out the wiki page: CodecPerformanceComparison...
00:20:58*amiconn still thinks it's a weird idea to load the poor little dap CPU with a task that a PC can do in seconds
00:21:11Davide-NYCwhat about benchmarking?
00:21:22Davide-NYC?me ducks
00:21:24amiconnFor benchmarking you don't need transcoding
00:21:37Davide-NYCjust decoding
00:21:42Davide-NYCor encoding
00:21:43amiconnPure decoding and pure encoding would be more useful
00:22:04amiconnFor decoding benchmarks, the optimum is to even throw the decoded data away
00:22:52Davide-NYCI think the idea was to have a setting in a decoding_plugin that generated a logfile with performance data
00:22:55Kitt0sgrr, can some1 explain to me how do i charge an ipod with rockbox through the USB?
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00:24:08Davide-NYCwith this decoding_plugin you could (if necessary) decode a NRT ecoded file to WAV as well
00:24:18Davide-NYCNRT = non-realtime
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00:24:47Davide-NYCjhMikeS: please help with a make error
00:24:51Davide-NYC*patch error
00:25:09Davide-NYCThe next patch would create the file apps/enc_config.c,
00:25:10Davide-NYCwhich already exists! Assume -R? [n]
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00:25:22pagefaultwow I am too full of turkey
00:25:29linuxstb_Kitt0s: Hold MENU as you insert the USB cable.
00:25:51Paul_the_NerdKitt0s: Are you saying that your iPod doesn't reboot to disk mode and charge when USB is connected?
00:26:22Kitt0sit becomes diskmode i just want it to charge
00:26:24Davide-NYCI want to change the files according to the new patch. I have already cvs up -dPC so only files CREATED by this patch are not synced with cvs.
00:26:52Davide-NYCdo I "assume recursive" in this instance?
00:27:10Paul_the_NerdKitt0s: Then do what linuxstb said
00:27:34jhMikeSDavide-NYC: what happen?...someone set up us the bomb?
00:28:07Davide-NYCI had already patched with your v1 patch and forgot to undo it
00:28:08Kitt0shmm, when i reset the ipod while its on USB, it opens rockbox, then gives the USB rockbox bitmap.. then does a wired flashing screen theng goes back to the black&white version of the 'Do not disconnet' of the original
00:28:15jhMikeSDavide-NYC: I guess you patched over a patched version
00:28:19Davide-NYCI did
00:28:22Davide-NYCnow what
00:28:38jhMikeScvs up -dPC
00:28:47linuxstb_Kitt0s: 1) Turn on your ipod (so Rockbox is actually running); 2) Hold MENU and insert USB cable.
00:28:55jhMikeSlearned that myself today for the same reason
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00:29:23Davide-NYCbut that will not touch the files your patch creates
00:29:32Davide-NYCso what about those files?
00:29:36jhMikeSdelete those
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00:30:13Davide-NYChow many are there?
00:30:18amiconnDavide-NYC: It's generally a good idea to undo an old version of a patch before applying a new one
00:30:21Kitt0sok, but i don't want rockbox running.. i want a plain charge
00:30:34jhMikeSenc_config.c enc_config.h enc_base.c enc_base.c general.c general.h pcm_sampr.c pcm_sampr.h
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00:31:48linuxstb_Kitt0s: What do you mean by "a plain charge" ? If you don't want Rockbox running, then don't run Rockbox...
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00:32:37Kitt0slook man, all i want is to rockbox + the orignal firmware to be OFF, and i want it to only charge, not connected to PC. get it?
00:33:28linuxstb_Kitt0s: If Rockbox and the original firmware are off, your ipod can't charge. It has to be on (and running something) to charge.
00:33:44Kitt0shmm.. ok then
00:34:19jhMikeSDavide-NYC: I think that's all of them
00:34:20excitatoryKitt0s: yea, the file-transfer mode charges the pod..
00:34:30Davide-NYCthat's all in apps right?
00:34:48jhMikeSWish you could force patch to overwrite but couldn't find a switch for that
00:34:55Davide-NYCrm -R ./apps/* ?
00:35:04Davide-NYCthen cvs up -dPC ?
00:35:14jhMikeSapps firmware
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00:37:27jhMikeSI do different handling on setting the source for SPDIF enabled devices and it may cause problems but the functions spdif_set_monitor really only sets EBU1CONFIG so I'm still not clear
00:41:04Davide-NYCman, I can;t patch for some reason now
00:42:41jhMikeSnix the whole rockbox-devel and checkout again then...that will clear it for sure
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00:44:07jhMikeShate to use such a blunt tool as rm -R *
00:47:24jhMikeSthat rec_set_source needs some rethinking as it unelegant
00:48:41Davide-NYCI don't know what happened but I chucked the rb-devel dir so now all of my configured build folders are gone :-(
00:48:50Davide-NYCI get easily frustrated
00:49:43jhMikeS...the end is only the beginning grasshopper...;)
00:50:45Davide-NYCplease standby for the never ending MAKE.
00:51:51jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Please hurry fast I'm on the fall aslee.....*snore* 8^B
00:52:11Davide-NYCyou kidding? nothing I can do.. sorry
00:52:32Davide-NYCactually while I (we) wait what exactly do you want me to do?
00:52:46Davide-NYCinform me of my mission
00:53:00jhMikeStest all the inputs and make sure they record. check the sampr_test plugin too
00:53:19jhMikeSTry it on both versions of the recording screen
00:53:59Davide-NYCboth versions?
00:57:07jhMikeSThe one from FM radio and the other front normal recording
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01:02:40Davide-NYCOK I'm back
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01:03:32jhMikeS?erew ot kcab
01:05:47Davide-NYCfrom MAKE land
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01:07:12jhMikeSdamn...connection went down
01:07:41Davide-NYCsomething is very wrong (sorry)
01:07:55jhMikeSIt's stil not working?
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01:08:16Davide-NYCsomething involving source selection is botched.
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01:08:32Davide-NYCon first load (defaults to mic in) I got on signal.
01:08:54Davide-NYCselected source = line and I get input from the mic.
01:09:34jhMikeSWhat screen?
01:09:58Davide-NYCradio = same
01:10:07Davide-NYCactual audio is from the onboard mic
01:10:13jhMikeSmic again huh
01:10:28jhMikeSDid you try it from the fmradio screen?
01:10:52Davide-NYChaven't been in FM for a while
01:11:17jhMikeSThe source should be fixed change allowed
01:11:50jhMikeSI think fmradio recording screen needs the ability to tune
01:13:21Davide-NYCstuck at the menu. I long-pressed navi, got to the menu screen (what do we call this screen?) and am now stuck with FM playing and no button responding
01:13:31Davide-NYCthis is from FM
01:13:53jhMikeSI had that came after a button patch.
01:13:57jhMikeSnot mine
01:14:04jhMikeSdid you reset settings
01:14:38Davide-NYCwhy is it you can never find a paper clip when you need one?
01:14:42jhMikeSIt should have automatically but try it manually during boot...that can clear a lot of probs
01:14:56jhMikeSI have loads of bent ones on my desk :)
01:18:57jhMikeSyou never made it to recording?
01:19:28Davide-NYCstuck in that "quick menu" or whatever it's called withthe "recording screen" highlighted and FM playing happily
01:19:35Davide-NYCthat's it
01:19:39Davide-NYCno button response
01:19:44Davide-NYCpending reset
01:20:03Davide-NYCI don;t think the screen is updating at all
01:20:10Davide-NYCthe RTC is not 'moving'
01:20:15jhMikeSYou mean you went to the recording screen and then to the settings for recording or just made it to the FM radio settings?
01:20:38pixelmais that when you call the recording screen from the radio menu?
01:20:57Davide-NYCI went to FM, long-pressed NAVI got to the menu, scolled down to "recording sceen" (it's an item in a list) and short=pressed NAVI.
01:21:19Davide-NYCI guess that screen is the FM menu?
01:21:34jhMikeSSay like FM Radio > FM Radio Menu > Recording Screen
01:21:52jhMikeSYou actuall tried entering the screen?
01:21:56Davide-NYCat least I'm stuck listening to "The Who"
01:22:06pixelmamight be a general problem from before... I had this with my Ondio (where a recording screen entry doesn't make sense at all) so I thought it would only be hwcodec related
01:22:07Davide-NYCand now all is stuck
01:22:28Davide-NYC"teenage wasteland"
01:22:49jhMikeSSo attempting to enter the recording screen from the FMRadio menu locks it...I just wanna be real clear
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01:23:10Davide-NYCpixelma: that is EXACTLY what's happening
01:23:27pixelmabut might be even without the new recording patch
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01:23:44Davide-NYCFM Radio Menu −−> Recording Screen −−> LOCKED
01:23:58Davide-NYCsongs over, resetting
01:24:03pixelmasomeone should try an unpatched build
01:24:15jhMikeSDavide-NYC: No lockup on normal record screen then?
01:24:31Davide-NYCteenage wasteland isn;t that short man,
01:24:35Davide-NYCtrying now
01:25:15***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:25:27jhMikeSI never added the recording screen to the FM Menu for HWCODEC
01:26:02jhMikeSANything that directly adds recording to the radio screen should not have the menu option
01:26:29pixelmaas I stated I don't know exactly when it occured but it wasn't there a while ago (haven't checked that often)
01:26:43Davide-NYCRecording−−>Recording Screen−−>No Audio (defaults==mic, M128,44k,stereo)
01:27:23jhMikeSIf it started on Oct 2 it nothing I did but there was some FM Radio screen work done and apparently not carefully enough
01:27:37Davide-NYCswitch to PCM WAV, no other changes, same result
01:27:40Davide-NYCno audio
01:27:44jhMikeSWe have the stations that won't save...buttons used to go dead...
01:27:54jhMikeSno audio or mic?
01:28:04jhMikeSwhen does it go from always mic to silent?
01:28:18Davide-NYCother way around
01:28:31jhMikeSsilent to always mic...ok....wierd
01:28:34Davide-NYCI think, that if I make a selection it will go to always mic
01:28:46Davide-NYCprior to making a selection I have silence
01:28:55Davide-NYCthis is what I believe to be happening
01:29:09jhMikeSIt's the same code that worked before...there must be a hitch
01:29:32jhMikeSI will compare my changes with CVS and find the boo boo
01:29:49jhMikeSbut I'm ready to just sleep sleep sleep :)
01:29:55Davide-NYCjhMikeS: you messed up my iPod! YOu guys suckors!!
01:30:04Davide-NYCor suX0rs
01:30:07Davide-NYCor whatever
01:30:32jhMikeSDavide-NYC: You piece of 5h17!
01:31:03Davide-NYCSincerely, good luck. This will be a very cool addition to RB.
01:31:59jhMikeSn3\/3r m355 w1th |\/|3 !
01:32:58jhMikeS600d n|4ht...I'll be watching though
01:33:33*jhMikeS is away for 8 hrs
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01:44:16scorchePaul_the_Nerd: so what determines who gets sent to the mobile version of the page?...browser fingerprint?
01:44:46scorcheI just put opera mini on my treo (so much better than blazer), and i am not directed to the regular version
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01:49:39Paul_the_Nerdscorche: I honestly have no idea. I don't know how it makes the determination at all.
01:50:57amiconnOpera mini goes through a proxy at
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01:53:40amiconnAt least afaik
01:53:53Davide-NYCQQ: bootloader for H300 is version 5?
01:55:26scorchePaul_the_Nerd: well, if possible can you put a link at the bottom or somewhere on both versions to transfer to the other one?
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01:59:32Davide-NYC'night y'all
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02:00:07amiconnAh, yes, this little diagram makes it clear:
02:00:37Paul_the_Nerdscorche: I honestly don't know what I can/cannot do regarding the mobile stuff yet. I need to check out if they talk about it much in some documentation somewhere
02:00:57scorchePaul_the_Nerd: alright...well let me know
02:00:59Paul_the_Nerdscorche: I don't actually have access to it through the Admin menus like I do the main theme/etc, so it'll be a bit harder to toy with
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02:15:35pagefaultdoes rockbox support aac
02:15:46pagefaultI thought it did
02:17:42Paul_the_NerdIt has limited support
02:17:56pagefaultI can't even get it to play anything
02:18:00pagefaultit's not recognized
02:18:09pagefaultdo I need to rename it
02:18:15Paul_the_NerdWhat's the extension?
02:18:31Paul_the_NerdIs it a raw AAC stream or something?
02:18:45pagefaultit was made with itunes
02:18:59Paul_the_NerdThen the extension should be m4a, right?
02:19:07pagefaultI renamed it
02:19:11pagefaultok let me fix that
02:20:10pagefaultah thats better thanks
02:20:17pagefaultbut no HE-AAC I see
02:20:23pagefaultI guess lack of free decoders
02:21:40Paul_the_NerdThat and the fact that it requires significantly more available power to decode.
02:21:50pagefaultI see
02:22:15pagefaultI guess I am going with aotuv vorbis then
02:22:31pagefaultall my audio is FLAC and I am transcoding to the most efficient format
02:22:45Paul_the_NerdMP3 requires a lot less cpu power to decode.
02:23:14pagefaultmy player doesn't have cpu scaling yet
02:23:17pagefaultso it doesn't matter
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02:23:29Paul_the_NerdYou'll transcode again when it does then?
02:23:30Soapmusepack FTW if you don't want MP3.
02:23:49Paul_the_NerdMusepack is also more efficient on ARM right now, anyway, isn't it?
02:23:52pagefaultPaul_the_Nerd, probably
02:23:59Soapapparently very much so.
02:24:04pagefaultit's not a big deal, I just let the quad opteron at work do it for me :)
02:24:08pagefaultI just bring it on a usb hard drive
02:24:09Paul_the_NerdSoap: Hey, did musepack ever get proper seeking? I seem to remember something about that, but haven't really payed attention to it.
02:24:11pagefaultand leave it going overnight
02:24:32Soapand has the distinction of being the first lossy codec to acheive "transparent" status. How's that for the ▄bergeek?
02:24:48pagefaultI was under the impression musepack wasn't very good
02:24:53SoapPaul_the_Nerd - meh - who needs seeking?
02:26:28Soapmusepack is an excellent codec. Low CPU requirements. Still possibly better than LAME MP3 even as far as bitrate to acheive transparency. Doesn't have the "problem samples" MP3 (even with LAME) does. (pre-echo, etc) but musepack isn't supported by much.
02:26:30Paul_the_NerdSoap: I personally don't, but to some people it's a drawback.
02:26:31pagefaultI was reading of this new vorbis encoder that does about the same as aacplus but being compatible
02:27:51pagefaultso if I use musepack
02:27:59pagefaultwhat is the best setting for space/quality
02:28:08pagefaultjust standard?
02:28:10SoapThe recently thumbed-up by HydrogenAudio OGG encoder is really nice. Encodes much faster than LAME, but still requires more horsepower to decode, and doesn't accheive transparency until about the same point as MP3, if not a bit higher. At low bitrates, though, it beats MP3.
02:28:30Soapyea - standard is considered transparent on > 99% of sample.
02:28:36pagefaultok I will try that
02:29:05pagefaultI have rather good headphones
02:29:11pagefaultso I would like a decent encode
02:30:00pagefaultwow musepack is big
02:30:06pagefaultbut I guess if it's transparent
02:30:46SoapABX all of them out there.
02:30:50SoapSee where your tolerance is.
02:31:16pagefaultwell so far I have had good results with the hydrogenaudio vorbis at 100kbps
02:31:24pagefaultaround there
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02:31:41pagefault100kbps it says on the LCD though
02:31:46Soapif you have the quad processors you can encode up a real nice set of test samples, and ABX for one evening, and rest assured you have chosen the best codec for _your_ needs.
02:32:07pagefaultwhat do you mean by ABX
02:32:15pagefaultjust listen to them all
02:32:19SoapIt's how you blind test two samples.
02:32:40SoapYou play the A sample, the B sample, The X sample and the Y sample (in foobar)
02:33:04Soapthen you answer the question "Is A X and B Y, or is A Y and B X?"
02:33:21pagefaultI see
02:33:23Soapyou keep doing it with lower and lower bitrates until you can tell a difference.
02:33:30pagefaultthis gets complex too
02:33:33pagefaultbecause of types of music
02:33:41SoapYou do it like 10-15 times per file to make sure you aren't lucky.
02:34:21Soapfoobar has an excellent ABX routine - just select two files, right click, and ABX. (One file being the original and the other being compressed)
02:34:21linuxstbPaul_the_Nerd: Yes, musepack seeking was committed
02:34:51pagefaultwell this musepack at standard sounds outstanding
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02:35:18Paul_the_Nerdlinuxstb: Good to hear. I thought it was, but I tend to distrust my memory sometimes
02:35:38Davide-NYCOK, I can no longer get into the OF on my H3x0
02:35:41linuxstb never forgets...
02:35:42SoapI would use it except for the fact few programs support it, and none of my friends could be bothered to mess with it.
02:35:52Davide-NYCI have attempted to write back the EEPROM
02:35:57Davide-NYCwhat next?
02:36:29pagefaultpretty much sounds like the cd
02:36:47JdGordonDavide-NYC: did u try with someone elses eeprom?
02:37:08Davide-NYCThis is wierd
02:37:15Paul_the_Nerdlinuxstb: Very true.
02:37:19Davide-NYCI plugged in the charger and I am now back in Iriver world
02:37:38pagefaultI thought the filesize was rediclous
02:37:41Davide-NYCWhat could cause this/
02:37:44pagefaultbut I forgot this song is 7 min
02:38:08linuxstbDavide-NYC: Was your battery low?
02:39:26Davide-NYChalf way
02:39:48pagefaultanyway thanks for the advice
02:40:33Davide-NYCWhat did I do by writing back my EEPROM?
02:40:42Davide-NYCwhat did I lose (if anything)
02:41:15PaulJamthe settings of the original firmware are stored there
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02:42:25Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: It would do stuff like reset the contrast to the original value, etc.
02:42:45Davide-NYCbut nothing to my RB settings?
02:44:08PaulJambtw, now that musepack seeking works, why doesn't rockbox resume the file where it was stopped and instead plays the file again from the start?
02:45:39pagefaulthe's got a point
02:45:43pagefaultI just reproduced it
02:45:52pagefaultit doesn't resume the position it was playing with musepack
02:46:27Davide-NYCIs not being able to get back into OF on an H3x0 a known bug? What causes this and should a bug report be put on the tracker? I cannot find one.
02:46:48Davide-NYCIf so, does the bug report belong under bootloader or what?
02:47:19PaulJamwhat happens if you try to start the original firmware?
02:48:18Davide-NYCWell now that I'm charging I can't seem to turn the unit fully off (which is different from the H1x0 behavior)
02:48:33Davide-NYCIn other words I cannot leave iriver world
02:48:34linuxstbPaulJam: Resume has to be implemented for each codec, I guess no-one has done it yet for Musepack.
02:49:37linuxstbIt's not always the same as seeking - for example, for MP3, the byte-offset in the file is stored as the resume position, for other codecs, it is the elapsed time.
02:50:15Davide-NYCUnplugging the charger I can shutdown the H3x0, but when I restart while holding the rec button I get a flash of the RB boot loader that says "starting original firmware" and then it shuts off again.
02:51:01linuxstbAre you keeping the ON button held down?
02:51:09PaulJammaybe you aren't holding the play button long enough
02:51:15Davide-NYClemme try again
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04:18:23jestuhfyi: i just approved a quote from here
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04:24:33Soapand the quote is?
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04:40:51`burnsI'm having a problem with
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04:41:59`burnsit gives me the error:
04:42:20`burns../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c:1277: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at com bine.c:447
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04:42:35`burnswith some stuff about contacting the developers.
04:43:41`burnsI googled it, and got a bunch of cryptic posts to the GCC mailing list.
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04:44:16`burnsI found an entry for it on the gcc bugtracker too; it was marked as resolved.
04:44:50`burnsBut people are getting this error with even new versions of GCC, according to google.
04:45:08`burnsAnybody know what's going on?
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04:59:14Paul_the_Nerd`burns: Um, since it's a problem with GCC, your best bet is to investigate it in other places, probably. I know that in your case it occurs during the running of our script, but you're more likely to find a solution in other places, perhaps.
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05:03:23`burnsPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, I just wondered if you guys might know. thanks
05:03:34myzaranybody looked into the recent 5.5g developments?
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05:03:52myzari've been meaning to take a look on my 80
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05:13:18sneakumsi'm going to try the stuff from the forum thread tonight, if i get back from the movie early enough
05:13:38sneakumsi've never had an excuse to use hexl-mode before
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05:47:52myzaryeah sneakums
05:48:04myzari'm willing to go off my vow to never return to nix again just to see it done
05:48:23myzarthough it might take some figuring out
05:48:32myzarthe byte reversing isn't really as hard as people say it is, though
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06:07:44lol_ur_deadhi could someone help me?
06:08:24Paul_the_NerdYou might have better luck if you just ask your question
06:09:36lol_ur_deadis 2nd generation ipod able to install rockbox?
06:09:52lol_ur_deadipod nano snd generation
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06:22:20z35is there an alarm clock plugin by any chance?
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06:27:12Paul_the_Nerdz35: There is one, though it's only available/working on certain targets right now. If you don't see it in your plugin list, than it's not on yours yet.
06:27:31z35not the archos recorder v1?
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06:28:25Paul_the_NerdMaybe it's not a plugin
06:29:33z35i couldn't find it looking through the menus either
06:29:48Paul_the_NerdI know there's a patch for Alarm functionality on the V1 and V2 recorders.
06:29:58Paul_the_NerdBut it's really old
06:31:21z35 would this be it?
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07:40:55RoC_MMwhat is the '5.5' gen ipod?
07:41:32Paul_the_Nerd The "new" iPod Videos
07:43:37BHSPitLappydoes 5.5G only come in 80GB
07:43:48Paul_the_NerdNo, it's also the new 30gb ones
07:44:03BHSPitLappy30 and 80? that's a weird set of choices
07:44:31Paul_the_NerdI don't know why they didn't upgrade the smaller ones to 40
07:44:42myzarcosts probably
07:44:48myzara few people are trying to get rockbox working on them
07:44:50myzarand somebody did it
07:44:53myzarbut it took a lot of hacking
07:47:32RoC_MMwhat needed to be coded? new hard drive driver?
07:47:58RoC_MMI thought the exterior was identicl
07:57:35myzareverything is identical to the 5g 60gb
07:57:41myzarexcept the gapless feature
07:57:43myzarand search feature
07:57:45myzarin the firmware itself
07:57:50myzaras well as some screen brightness
07:57:58myzarthe key differences are in the file system
07:58:13myzarcheck the "new ports" area to get more info
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07:58:28myzarall you'd need to do is hack the bootloader and part of rockbox to support those changes
07:58:32myzarand it'll work 100%, it seems
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08:08:52amiconnPaul_the_Nerd, z35: There _is_ alarm functionality built into rockbox, without patch. However, since such functionality requires both hardware and software support, it only works on archos atm, and then only devices supporting it _unmodified_ are the archos fm recorder and recorder v2
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08:09:49amiconnThe recorder v1 can also support alarm functionality with a small hardware mod and a custom rockbox build. The latter requires no patch, but just setting a definition in the Makefile
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08:11:55amiconnHere's the description of the necessary hardware mod, linked from 's doc index:
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08:13:14Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: Thanks
08:13:57daurnimatorsup people
08:14:48amiconnMany of the swcodec devices should be capable of wake-up alarm, but nobody coded support for it yet: H300, X5, all iPods (perhaps except 1G and 2G, which have no rockbox port anyway yet)
08:17:25amiconnThe H1x0 doesn't have an RTC, so no wake-up alarm possible. Not sure about the H10 and iFP
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08:58:08Paul_the_NerdDoes anyone else see Misticriver as being missing?
08:59:25peturhahaha apache starting page
09:00:56Paul_the_NerdThat's not the page I saw 30 minutes ago.
09:01:19Paul_the_NerdI was just making sure it wasn't somehow me, since about 30% of webpages I go to right now are coming up unresponsive.
09:09:03LinusNmr works for me now
09:09:55pondlifeMe too
09:10:14*pondlife gets annoyed by custom builds for no good reason...
09:11:40pondlifeActually more annoyed because I find any bug report hard to ignore
09:11:44Paul_the_NerdI still see the Apache page.
09:11:50pondlifeEven if it's none of my business ;-)
09:12:18Paul_the_NerdAh well, backed up our forums tables just in case that precludes any signs of screwiness.
09:12:18LinusNPaul_the_Nerd: ?
09:13:11LinusNthe custom builds are a two-edged sword
09:13:37LinusNthey help us get some runtime of patches
09:13:53LinusNbut they give us more support work
09:14:15LinusN"two-edged" - is that even a word?
09:14:26pondlifeWhen we get album art support in CVS, I predict one or more custom builds will die
09:14:56LinusNnah, there are still lots of odd patches out there
09:15:11LinusNlike the left-to-wps patch
09:15:23pondlifeUrgh. I hate that one.
09:15:24scorchescrolling margins
09:15:42Paul_the_NerdLinusN: Yes, I see an apache start page there.
09:15:49LinusNPaul_the_Nerd: how weird
09:16:01LinusNPaul_the_Nerd: could it be a dns prob?
09:16:03peturyour ISP has a caching proxy
09:16:03pondlifeDid we not get scrolling left margins yet? Or is that patch not ready...
09:16:09Paul_the_NerdOr specifically "Great Success ! Apache is working on your cPanel® and WHM™ Server"
09:16:17peturmine has too (but not at work)
09:16:34Paul_the_NerdWell, my ISP is being particularly naughty tonight
09:16:40Paul_the_NerdI'll just rule out any hijinks I come across.
09:16:41pondlifeMine has, but it responds to explicit refreshes in some way
09:16:51LinusNpondlife: the left margin patch is even more half-baked than the "regular" one
09:16:55Paul_the_NerdRight now the *only* two webpages that will load for me consistently are and
09:17:18pondlifeAh, I thought you were saying it was ready. Must have been thinking of someone else. I know nothing of its work...
09:17:33LinusNi want viewports
09:17:34pondlifePaul_the_Nerd: well, those are good ones to use
09:17:50LinusNbut i can go with the scrolling margins patch until that happens
09:18:15pondlifePaul_the_Nerd: Tried ?
09:18:34Paul_the_Nerdpondlife: ERROR: Cannot find database misticr_ivbd1  
09:18:46Paul_the_NerdAnd then more information about said error.
09:18:49pondlifeMe too
09:19:16LinusNreally odd, it works fine from here
09:19:17Bagderwell, just using an ip is not necessary enough to get a proper web page
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09:19:36pondlifeI heard some ISPs cache by name rather IP. Unlikely I thought....
09:19:56Bagderyeah, but servers do name-based vhosting
09:20:10pondlifeSo it appears!
09:20:32*petur also still gets the apache page for MR
09:20:38pondlifeYou'd know. I wouldn't. I'm using IIS for starters :(
09:21:03pondlifeI go straight in to
09:21:11pondlifeDoes that help at all?
09:21:16peturnot found
09:21:43pondlifeIt's a bit slow, but Works For Me
09:21:46peturbut I don't need to be there ;)
09:21:54pondlifeMe neither
09:22:14*pondlife closes a browser before he reads any bug reports on custom builds
09:23:18Paul_the_Nerd404 here as well
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09:24:04Paul_the_NerdI like it when bug reports vanish once you tell them that "even though it seems unrelated, we require you verify it on a real build"
09:24:06pondlifeDo others think that bug reports which are down to CPU/performance on iPods should be closed?
09:24:32pondlife is the one I'm looking at, but it's a regular thing
09:24:52Paul_the_NerdI tried leaving a few open in the hopes that people would see them and not file more, and it didn't work.
09:25:02LinusNis there a clear FAQ entry about ipod performance?
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09:25:40pondlifeI'm more just Mr. Zero tolerance for support-on-Flyspray...
09:25:54pondlife'taint a bug!
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09:27:14LinusNthen close them with a link to that faq entry
09:27:59linuxstbBut if you close them, people will just report them again... I doubt that people search the closed bug reports.
09:28:11pondlifeThey don't search the open ones either
09:28:41pondlifeWe need an FAQ link at the top of the page
09:28:46linuxstbI know - but that's what they _should_ do.
09:29:30linuxstbBut yes, we've talked about having a "How to report bugs" page in the wiki, with a big link from Flyspray, but no-one has written it yet.
09:29:49pondlifePaul_the_Nerd: You have a decent summary on the forum, don't you?
09:29:52linuxstbThat page would ask people to read the FAQ first.
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09:30:03pondlifeHow to report bugs the smart way or something..
09:30:14linuxstbThat's something different I think.
09:30:48pondlifeMaybe. I don't do the fora much
09:31:01linuxstbI think he has the link to esr's "How to ask questions the smart way" paper.
09:31:42Paul_the_NerdNo, I also have a summary of how things to do before filing a bug report
09:31:58pondlifeThat's the one
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10:33:59JdGordondaurnimator: i am now
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10:44:28amiconnpondlife: Name-based vhosting isn't an apache exclusive. It's plain HTTP/1.1 standard
10:45:43amiconnAfair IIS can do that too
10:46:03Bagderindeed, all http 1.1 ones can
10:46:17Bagderand non-1.1 ones shouldn't be used
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10:50:50pondlifeSorry, I was more just showing a lack of cluefulness
10:51:15daurnimatorJdGordon: where abouts are you?
10:51:18pondlifeNot really a web guy. Maybe that's why I prefer NNTP/IRC every time
10:51:40JdGordondaurnimator: melb
10:51:51pondlifeBagder: what does the channel comment refer to BTW? It's a bit depressing at the mo, IMHO
10:52:06JdGordondaurnimator: going into the stalking buisness are you ? :D
10:52:13Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:52:18Topic"[empty]" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
10:52:28scorcheeven more depressing
10:52:40JdGordonchange it to Rockbox 3.0 released and wait for the confusin :D
10:52:44pondlifeI was only curious
10:53:02pondlifeNah, 3.1 released early
10:53:24pondlifeThen sit back and watch the fireworks
10:53:33JdGordonspeaking of which.. is there going to be a try for fireworks?
10:54:11scorchea topic that bashes specific individuals in the channel is always a good option =)
10:54:13pondlifeDanger! Danger! Step away from the release schedule and walk slowly...
10:54:18daurnimatorJdGordon: wow, close to me :S
10:54:32JdGordondaurnimator: where r u?
10:54:44JdGordonha, yeah
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10:55:39JdGordonwind is blowing the wrong way
10:55:55daurnimatorare you near glen eira rd?
10:56:02daurnimatoror more south
10:56:13*JdGordon starts getting worried...
10:56:16JdGordonmore north
10:56:39*JdGordon is also being funny
10:59:57*daurnimator gets your address
11:00:42JdGordon7-12 home st elsternwick
11:01:28daurn|laptopyour probably the closest person to me i've net online
11:02:20JdGordoni guess that was a long shot @ a joke.. oh well (the address i gave)
11:02:59daurn|laptopuh, no, i mean caulfield
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11:26:58daurn|laptopor Eastern
11:27:05aliaskWho's eastern?
11:27:15daurn|laptopwestern suburbs don't have "tech"
11:27:25daurn|laptopaliask: a few users
11:28:22daurn|laptopare there any other melbournian dev type people?
11:28:42aliasknone come to mind.
11:28:53aliaskbut then again i have a terrible memory :)
11:29:03*petur points to rashers page
11:29:20*aliask is already loading it :)
11:30:38aliaskdaurn|laptop: There's someone out near Werribee, so there goes your no-western users theory
11:30:39*scorche feels lonely
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11:39:09chendonope, why?
11:41:19aliaskHahahaha, chendo on urbandictionary (sorry)
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11:42:27chendosome nubs were bored
11:42:34aliaskClearly :D
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11:48:55daurn|laptopguess what i did
11:49:47BHSPitLappyoh no
11:50:03daurn|laptopi bashed my shin against the roof
11:50:10BHSPitLappyhit and run involving your truck, a kid, and his tricycle?
11:50:17BHSPitLappyyou're a tall fellow
11:50:26daurn|laptopnow i'm icing it
11:50:36scorchewhat flavor?
11:50:36daurn|laptopits fucking sore
11:50:39JdGordonhow did u bash your shin on the roof?
11:51:01daurn|laptopi did a somersault while holding onto the architrave
11:52:01barrywardellis there any particular reason why the rockcalerdar plugin in the tracker hasn't been added to cvs? it looks nice
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11:56:11barrywardellit's here:
11:58:25Life^if i've obtained and played rockdoom, can i play any other .wad file by putting them in the games\doom\addons directory?
11:59:47PaulJamJdGordon: in the randon_folder_advance_config plugin in the screen to edit the list, the line on top is overlapping the list when you use a larger font (nimbus12 in my case). (h300)
12:00:13JdGordonwhich line on top?
12:00:17PaulJamJdGordon: and another issue: it would be better if removed folders were removed from the list instead of appearing as blank lines in the list.
12:00:32PaulJamthe line that tells the number of folders
12:00:35JdGordonPaulJam: yes, but harder to code :)
12:01:06JdGordonthat shouldnt be there... is that what Linus' commit did?
12:02:31sneakumsbummer, no joy on my 80G with the hacked MBR and such
12:04:29LinusNJdGordon: well, your original code called update_screen() all the time
12:04:53LinusNso the list never showed because the screen was cleared
12:05:23LinusNi added a parameter to update_screen() to tell it to not clear the screen
12:05:50Life^non-coding advice please?
12:05:53LinusNi assumed that the folder count was expected to be shown above the list
12:06:04LinusNsince you called update_screen()
12:06:14LinusNanyway, i'm off to lunch
12:06:19JdGordonLinusN: hmm.. no, the folder count wasnt intended for that screeen
12:06:52Genre9mp3barrywardell: I guess it's buggy, otherwise I can't find another reason
12:07:40JdGordonPaulJam: ill have a play in that code later tonight, i have assignment due friay i have to get done
12:09:40barrywardellGenre9mp3: I don't see any mention of buggyness on the tracker, and it seems to work quite well for me. Are there any specific bugs you're thinking of?
12:09:53amiconnbarrywardell: The reason is that there already is a calendar plugin, and we don't need two of them. Calendar is (currently) recorder only, while rockcalendar works on the newer targets, but llooks rather odd on recorder
12:11:44Life^how can i play other .wad files other than rockdoom? -.-
12:12:00scorcheLife^: see PluginDoom
12:12:19barrywardellah, OK. but would it not be good to use this one for targets with bigger screens and keep the existing one for the recorder?
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12:16:44Life^-.-, first wad i install using the site givin on the plugindoom site, 248 errors -.-
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12:22:44Genre9mp3barrywardell: It's been quite some time when I last used RockCalendar on my H300.. I remember having some bugs but probably these are fixed now... I just thought that maybe this was still the case...
12:23:31JdGordonmy nano finally went dead... got about 9hours batt life.. thats not too shabby :D
12:24:33Genre9mp3But this reminds me of the rockblox/tetrox situation (for some time we had both)
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12:25:06JdGordonlol @ the battery bench output file... apart from the opening text, its empty
12:25:40Genre9mp3Then tetrox (now renamed to Rockblox) finally replaced the old rockblox though...
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12:26:56barrywardellit seems like rockcalendar could replace the existing calendar
12:27:06barrywardellif it could be adapted to the recorder too
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12:29:00Genre9mp3barrywardell: As I can see here: it is already adapted
12:29:41pondlifeHmm, it has it's own virtual keyboard?
12:29:51barrywardelloh, so maybe it could just be a drop in replacement?
12:30:07pondlifeDoes it include RTC support?
12:30:10Genre9mp3pondlife: yes
12:30:35Genre9mp3^ to both questions
12:30:42barrywardellpondlife: i think it uses the same virtual keyboard as rockword
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12:31:17pondlifeIt would be good to have a single virtual keyboard for all of Rockbox - filename entry etc...
12:31:28Life^scorche: got some more of that advice? PluginDoom doesn't seem to want to work with any of the wads :/
12:31:32pondlifeBut I expect I'm not the first to say that
12:32:15*barrywardell agrees
12:32:21barrywardellit would be nice
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12:34:10dprominor rant: shouldn't the statusbar honor my preferred font setting for the clock and the rest if set to "numeric" ?
12:34:18anjohi, trying to compile under ubuntu, got this - WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!
12:34:49Genre9mp3pondlife: Don't we already have a single virtual keyboard for all of Rockbox?
12:34:50dproanjo: well then export PATH=/path/to/rb/toolchain/bin:$PATH # ?
12:34:52anjoran and now have a build-rebdev folder. what do i do next?
12:35:16pondlifeWell, maybe, but not if RockWord and this calendar use a second one
12:35:41Bagderanjo: when you've run you get the compiler installed in a new path that you need to add to your $PATH before you build Rockbox
12:35:44Genre9mp3RockWord isn't in CVS
12:35:48pondlifeAh, ok
12:36:12pondlifeI guess I think they should both use the in-built one, rather than a new one
12:36:28barrywardellpondlife: see for rockword
12:36:51pondlifeAlthough that one looks nicer. Not sure if I want QWERTY or ABCDEF though
12:36:53Genre9mp3Though I like the vk they use
12:38:29anjook, added the apth. running make with error- pdflatex: Command not found
12:39:09barrywardellis the regular rockbox vk available to plugins? i kinda like the one rockcalendar uses too
12:39:31pondlifeEither way, there should only need to be one.
12:39:54Genre9mp3Also, someone at MisticRiver once draw some alternative vks
12:40:03Genre9mp3see here:
12:40:11dproBTW my minimal wps for ipod mini, based on snap (I just like the font) ->
12:40:13anjoi guess i need tetext installed under ubuntu
12:40:32dproanjo: shouldn't be a problem, it simply won't make the docs then
12:41:42Genre9mp3barrywardell: I think it is
12:42:15Bagderanjo: are you building a binary or a manual? For the binary you won't need the tex stuff but for the manual you won't need the compiler...
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12:43:16Baermando these chats always get posted on google?
12:43:33Bagderthey're never "posted on google"
12:43:36Genre9mp3Oh.. I just found this, too:
12:43:44Baermanyea theres one on google
12:43:47Baerman2 actually
12:43:48Bagderbut yes, google index the irc pages we host
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12:44:00Bagderand yes, we log these conversations
12:44:13Baermano0o for wat
12:44:50sneakumsBaerman: every year a prize is given to the best speller
12:44:57Baermanlol riight
12:45:11Bagderfor many watts actually
12:45:46sneakums1.21 gigawatts
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12:46:28Lynx_ot question: how dangerous is a 450V 360 uF ( I think ) capacitor?
12:46:29anjoi'm following the Simpleguide to compiling , run ../tools/configure > select 24 > N > Normnal build selected
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12:46:51pondlifeLynx_: Depends if you eat it
12:47:08*pondlife doesn't know, sorry
12:47:24SlasheriLynx_: that isn't very dangerous even with full charge in it, but it still might be
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12:47:53Lynx_Slasheri: ok. it's from a photo flash i want to repair.
12:47:56Slasheriquite common in cameras flash units
12:48:07Slasheriok, just discharge it before touching
12:48:24Lynx_Slasheri: how, just by shorting it?
12:48:26Genre9mp3barrywardell: But I think that lots of problems will come up if we switch to a bitmaped vk (eg. lot of bmps for different languages, kbd files etc.)
12:48:31Slasherithat should do it
12:48:38Lynx_Slasheri: ok, thanks
12:48:57Slasheriand if you don't get any sparks, it's already discharged
12:49:20Lynx_i think that has lost in capacity anyway, it's old and the flash doesn't work anymore
12:49:58pixelmaBagder: I also observed gcc complaining about missing crosscompilers even when building the manual
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12:50:23Bagderyeah, I've seen that too
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12:50:45anjoshould i move the rockbox source code into the /root/build-rbdev folder created by
12:51:21Bagderanjo: only builds the cross-compiler, no need to save anything from that apart from the actually installed tool set*
12:53:26anjoi'm totally confused.
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12:55:23Bagderonce you've installed the cross-compiler and edited your path, get the rockbox source and run configure as mentioned
12:56:08anjoah, i need to install the cross-compiler also.
12:56:19Bagderthat's what does
12:56:33*petur finds a nice pic to hang up: has the best posters ;-)
12:57:16peturindeed even
12:58:00barrywardellGenre9mp3: yes, it could get quite complicated. it might be worth the complication if it ends up being easier to use
13:00:39*LinusN re-reads an old-time favourite -
13:01:00*scorche <3s BOFH
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13:07:08anjowell, i keep getting the same error as "" install
13:08:02anjopre* (before i ran ) i added /root/build-rbdev to my path
13:08:15*petur thanks LinusN for the link but really should stop reading and get back to work ;)
13:08:33Bagderanjo: what's in "/root/build-rbdev" then?
13:09:13Bagderit seems unlikely to have the cross-compiler binaries in there
13:09:50anjo ls /root/build-rbdev/ binutils-2.16.1 build-binu build-gcc gcc-4.0.3 summary-a tells you what dir you should add to your path
13:10:26daurnimatorJdGordon: what devices do you have?
13:10:51JdGordondaurnimator: h340 and my sisters nano (which has so far spend more time in my room than in her pocket :D )
13:10:57JdGordonh320 even :p
13:11:33Genre9mp3JdGordon: lol
13:11:36Bagderanjo: so what's "prefix" set to in your script, did you change that?
13:13:36anjoi didn;t change anything, just ran the script and it downloaded agcc 403 etc. i
13:14:01Bagderthen your PATH should contain /usr/local/[target gcc]/bin
13:14:10anjoit did create a /usr/local/arm-elf/bin folder with binaries
13:14:23anjoi add that toi my path ?
13:14:24Bagderthat's what you should have in your path
13:14:32anjookey dokey :-) thanks
13:14:35Bagderand that's why said so
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13:16:05anjooh slap me silly...
13:16:14anjo Make your PATH include :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin
13:16:19pixelmabarrywardell: the current vkeyboard gives more characters than the RockWord one (all the accented...)
13:16:33*anjo braces for an e-punch in the face
13:16:41waferhey has anyone tried the mpegplayer on rockbox yet?
13:17:15Bagderwafer: no, it was developed blindly and no one ever tried it </sarcasm>
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13:18:19waferso.. anything new the rockbox team is developing
13:18:49anjocompiling nicely, thanks Badger
13:21:00barrywardellpixelma: i see. what about the proposal on the wiki. seems well thought out
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13:26:52sneakumshmm, bootloader seems to be hanging in ata_read_sectors() on my ipod
13:27:06sneakums(80G 5.5G)
13:28:04sneakumswhen trying to read the MBR in disk_init
13:29:27dprosneakum: IIRC then there was some talk in here lately about the 5.5gen being a bit rockbox unfriendly
13:29:56sneakumsdpro: someone got it running on a 30G 5.5 with some hackery, which i'm trying to duplicate on my 80G 5.5
13:30:52dprosneakums: I think you need to downgrade the original firmware
13:31:09dprosneakums: but that's hearsay ... I never had one of those
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13:31:39sneakumsi wish that damn forum wouldn't allow post editing, i keep missing info
13:31:40dprosneakums: basically what I'm trying to say is, if you fry it don't come after me ;)
13:33:17sneakumsdpro: the later posts cover the recipe i'm trying to follow
13:33:59sneakums(i'm pjdc on the forum)
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13:38:43webguest68May I humbly ask the devs to look at my patch FS #6145 ( It allows to change pitch in semitone steps. Are there serious shortcomings in it?
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13:44:05sneakumscan lcd functions be called with a mutex held?
13:44:14sneakumsi'm thinking of trying to work out where exactly in ata_read_sectors i'm hanging, tomorrow
13:45:03daurn|laptopsure, why not? ;0
13:49:35dproaaargh ... I'm just trying to port my pitchscreen from june to last weeks cvs, where are all the PITCH* buton defs gone ...
13:50:43dprohmm or did I write them ....
13:53:38dproah so it's now ACTION_*
13:54:35barrywardellwebguest68: you'll need to find keymaps for other targets. and it would be good to find a solution to that 99.9% bug
13:58:50dprowow not that's odd ... now I heard another track mixed over the current one, but only for a very short time and crossfade is definitely off ...
13:59:20webguest68barrywardell: Ok, I have an idea about 99.9%, but how can I figure out the key mpping for diveces I don't own?
13:59:23dproand it wasn't at the end more like in the last quarter or so ...
13:59:41pixelmabarrywardell: I like the proposal - the only thing that I don't like (after first glance) is the "select" to change between input area and keyboard (and might be impossible on Ondio) - "stepping over" like it is done now seems easier to me (just my opinion)
14:01:32barrywardellwebguest68: you could test in the simulator (precompiled sims for windows are here:"> ) or ask people here for suggestions. I can come up with a keymap for the H10
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14:02:32barrywardellpixelma: I'll start looking at the vk code and see how easy it would be to implement the proposal
14:04:36pixelmayou should ask others, too (before putting too much effort in this) :)
14:06:00barrywardellwill do
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14:09:28webguest68barrywardell: if you're more or less familiar with mappings in other devices: would the MODE button fit in all of them? Is it present in all daps? (I assume this)
14:10:53webguest68 barrywardell: the 99.9% problem can be solved by simply adding of 0.5 before taking the int part.
14:12:58pixelmawebguest68: you can also find out about keymaps here: (should always be in 4.3.1 WPS Key controls)
14:13:22daurn|laptopi want a new mp3 player!!!!!
14:13:46pixelmawebguest68: err... 4.3.3 WPS Context menu
14:16:46*amiconn doesn't like the vkeyboard proposal
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14:17:27amiconnIt wastes too much screen space on lower resolution LCDs
14:17:28webguest68pixelma: thanks! But the problem is that it's a new key -> not described in the manual. Do all the daps have the MODE key (as in C code, not as in the manual)?
14:17:48amiconn(Archos, iPod mini, H10-5GB, iriver remote, X5 remote...)
14:17:58amiconnwebguest68: nope
14:19:02pixelmawebguest68: and you can see in the keytables if the key is already used in the pitch screen (for example:
14:22:40webguest68pixelma: yes, that's a good proposal. I'll try to do it. Or anybody can ;-) Or I'll start a thread in forums.
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15:05:07bluebrotheramiconn, how exactly doesn't loading fm presets work anymore? It seems to be fine for me
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15:13:28godzirraMorning guys
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15:21:34godzirraAnyone have a copy of itunes 6 they can send me?
15:21:43godzirraOr any word on rockbox on 5.5g's? ;p
15:21:47godzirrawhich would be even better
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15:32:37daurn|laptoprun perfectly
15:32:49daurn|laptopjust only currently available to the elite
15:32:57daurn|laptopwait a month and you'll be on happy hill
15:35:24preglowanyone knows what got updated with the 1.2 nano firmware?
15:42:08godzirradaurn|laptop: wait, someone has it running on a 5.5g?
15:42:17godzirrapreglow: I know the nike thing got added...
15:42:22godzirraother than that not sure
15:42:44Bagdergodzirra: according to forum posts it can be tweaked to run on the 5.5 already, yes
15:42:47daurn|laptopgodzirra: yes
15:43:26godzirrathe forum stopped notifying me :/
15:43:28godzirraI thought it had been quiet
15:43:33*godzirra goes to read
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15:46:16godzirraI'll wait a few more days and let kinks get ironed out by people smarter than I ;)
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15:47:20godzirrabut thats great news.
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15:53:47tucozpixelma, around?
15:54:30tucozWhat do you think about including the 'Working with playlists'-chapter to the daily builds?
15:55:17tucozIt is half-written as it is, but I think it will stay that way for a long time unless the readers have the opportunity to include additions to it.
15:55:41tucozNow it simply resides in the source tree, but isn't read by anyone
15:56:02tucozIn that case, I'll add a \fixme to the top of that chapter.
15:56:11pixelmaI haven't looked at this, yet
15:57:12tucozthat is ok. I am just thinking of reasons to leave it as it is (half-written, unread by users), or include it (half-written, read and possibly improved by users)
15:57:59pixelmabut I think if it's included... maybe others who want to contribute (but don't compile) could file patches to the tracker
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15:58:42pixelmaso if it's not wrong or misleading it could help
15:58:52Genre9mp3tucoz: maybe though the second part can also be... "half-written, read and possibly confusing users" ?
15:59:27tucozGenre9mp3, as a lot of other things. I think the \fixme note could save us at least some confusion.
16:00:13tucozI'll commit a cleanup at least.
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16:01:16pixelmaalso: other things already in there could be confusing too (thinking about the Split editor for example)
16:01:17barrywardelltucoz: did you see my manual bugreport, FS #6146? would fix it myself, but I'm not too sure what the preferred way of doing it is
16:01:36tucozbarrywardell, let me check
16:02:16*tucoz gives an employee of the month badge to barrywardell, for being a developer committing stuff to the manual
16:02:50JdGordonhehe you stay on your side of cvs and we'll stay on ours...
16:05:06tucozbarrywardell, is there some define we could use to fix that issue?
16:08:19godzirraSigh... why the hell does itunes import two copies of every song into my itunes database?
16:08:29godzirraI downgraded to itunes 6 and it does the same thing.
16:08:49barrywardelltucoz: that's what i was wondering
16:10:31tucozdo you have anything defined in the h10 config files that we could use perhaps?
16:10:51tucozor maybe we could define a HAVE_DUAL_BOOT?
16:12:20tucozthe best way to include/exclude stuff is by use of defines instead of targets
16:13:30barrywardellmaybe add a define HAVE_FIRMWARE_IN_FLASH?
16:14:58tucozmaybe. in that case, then that should be added to the appropriate platform/*.tex files
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16:17:23barrywardellah, yes. i see it
16:17:32barrywardellthink i can fix that myself now. thanks
16:17:42tucozthank you :)
16:18:02tucozwhat are the keys to start and shutdown the h10?
16:18:14barrywardellthere is a power button
16:18:23barrywardelllong hold of power to shut down
16:18:50tucozok. thanks. I'll fix the missing entry underneath the image of the H10.
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16:22:33tucozbluebrother, if you remember me talking about dash yesterday. dash is debian's shell. Debian Almquist SHell. Ubuntu edgy uses this instead of bash (for /bin/sh) by default.
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16:23:08bluebrotherhmm. Why are they using some different shell? Any advantages over bash?
16:23:17*bluebrother thinks debian is strange
16:23:29tucozand the problem is that that shell does not interpret -e at all. in dash, echo -e hello, would would echo -e hello.
16:24:00tucozIt is less dependent and slightly faster than bash.
16:24:34tucozand i've heard that the tab completion is better.
16:24:41bluebrother... and a bit incompatible? ;-)
16:24:57bluebrotherI use the programmable bash completion. Really great
16:25:06amiconn? My debian installations all use bash by default
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16:25:20pondlifeAnyone thinking of fixing the H300 build warnings?
16:25:34Bagderbash is a perfect example of something that has embraced and extended posix since day 1
16:25:43pondlife"screen_access.c:58: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type" etc.
16:25:51Bagderso of course nothing is compatible with bash ;-)
16:26:06tucozamiconn, this is ubuntu edgy. I don't know why it links /bin/sh to dash.
16:26:37*amiconn only tried to install ubuntu once, unsuccessfuly
16:26:50tucozI like ubuntu
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16:27:30tucozin fact, i have never been this satisfied with any OS in the past
16:27:36bluebrotherI tried debian once and disliked it pretty much
16:27:56*Bagder runs debian all over
16:28:01godzirracrap.. anyone know what the link is to the ipod updater?
16:28:09webguest20Why there is LANG_PITCH_UP and LANG_SYSFONT_PITCH_UP in english.lang? (The same for _DOWN)? The texts are the same.
16:28:15godzirraI'm trying to use itunes 6 instead of itunes 7, but I think firmware 1.2 might require you to use 7 :/
16:29:01tucozgodzirra, some of these files?
16:29:51godzirratucoz: nope, I meant the official apple ones. I have a 5.5g so I can't get rockbox workign yet on mine :(
16:30:03godzirraI would -love- to get rockbox working and ditch itunes forever. I already hate it.
16:32:39preglowwebguest20: probably something that has happened over time
16:33:36amiconnwebguest20: The LANG_SYSFONT_* strings were introduced by lamed. The sysfont doesn't have characters for foreign scripts (e.g. hebrew)
16:33:39tucozanyone know how to return to the wps screen on the h10's when you are browsing and a file is playing?
16:34:03amiconnSo the strings are identical for languages which use latin script, and different for others
16:34:14godzirra*sigh* Yeah, apparently if you have the 1.2 firmware, itunes 6 just -doesn't work-
16:34:25amiconnNote that this is the wrong solution, imho
16:35:15amiconnInstead, all screens (apart from debug stuff) should be made to adapt to the user font
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16:38:04preglowany thoughts on whether the pitch control should always use the same resampler playback does?
16:39:17dpropreglow: what do you mean ?
16:39:20tucozbluebrother, what do you say about including the playlist chapter to the manual?
16:40:15webguest20amiconn: so what? Are the strings handled in different ways in code? In pitch_screen for example there is nothing special.
16:40:15preglowdpro: i can't really elaborate any more than what i said right there
16:40:28bluebrotherwe should definitely include it but maybe adjust it a bit before ...
16:40:42preglowhrm, bah, we probably can't do any special tricks anyway
16:40:52tucozbluebrother, adjust it in what sense?
16:40:54dpropreglow: because I would really like to get a grip on the playbacksystem
16:41:09preglowiriver just supports sample rates which lets them use halfband filters
16:41:13preglowbut we can't do that
16:41:21dpropreglow: not in the current state but backwards playback would be a true gimmick
16:41:43preglowdpro: a true gimmick, and utterly useless
16:42:00preglowit would require us to support backwards decoding in files, not trivial
16:42:01tucozbluebrother, I am having a hard time believing anything will happen to that section unless it is included in the manual people read.
16:42:11scottdergreat for finding hidden satanic messages :)
16:42:23bluebrotherI'm not sure ... currently it's mostly a incomplete list.
16:42:38dpropreglow: au contraire, that would mean scratching on the clickwheel, dj world domination
16:42:47bluebrotherI changed the coding style some time ago. Haven't got around looking into it further
16:42:55bluebrother(i.e. remove tabs mostly)
16:43:01tucozon that chapter?
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16:43:22bluebrotheryeah, locally.
16:43:31Life^can somebody help me with building my site in html?
16:43:33tucozso did i. I committed it half an hour ago. (sorry)
16:43:45bluebrotheralso, shouldn't it get included as section in the getting started chapter?
16:43:48bluebrotherhehe :)
16:43:49preglowdpro: i sincerely doubt the clickwheel is good enough for that
16:44:00tucozbluebrother, yes. it should be a section
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16:44:09tucozand we could probably get rid of some sections
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16:44:35bluebrothera bit different: I really dislike having multiple files called "main.tex"
16:44:53bluebrothercurrently I have 5 files in my editor open with the same name.
16:45:04dpropreglow: not hiphop style just to scrub the buffer to set your cuepoints works ok for me but I can't hear the backspin
16:45:11bluebrotherI think we should move everything out of that main.tex files and use that only to include the section.
16:45:18tucozbluebrother, why? My idea of the main.tex files, is so that they are used to control that chapter.
16:45:43preglowdpro: that should be somewhat easier anyway
16:45:49bluebrothercurrently there is a lot of text in the main.tex files.
16:45:52preglowas long as we don't have to support decoding backwards
16:46:02bluebrotheran option would be to have only includes in that files
16:46:12bluebrotherso they need to get changed seldomly.
16:46:36bluebrotheralso, the chapters don't match the folders exactly anymore.
16:46:56dpropreglow: that shouldn't be much of a problem for most formats - mod maybe being an exception
16:47:29pondlifeI had a dream we could use the pitch control system to give audible fast forward
16:47:53pondlifeAnd -ve pitch for rewind ;-)
16:48:01tucozbluebrother, yes. I think the plugin/main.tex is a good example to how we should work.
16:48:30tucozbluebrother, unfortunatley cvs doesn't support renaming very well.
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16:49:18bluebrotheras a first step we could move all text out of the main.tex files
16:49:37bluebrotherso the playlists stuff becomes playlists.tex and main.tex simply includes that
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16:50:08tucozbut we should not rip out too much. We should stop at the \section level.
16:50:37bluebrotheryou mean not having a separate file for subsections?
16:50:42tucoznot having a file start with \subsection
16:50:49bluebrothera file should be at least a section, yes.
16:51:02tucozthat will mess up emacs indentation at least
16:51:51tucozI can clean up the playlist file some more
16:52:24bluebrotheremacs has problems with indenting when the file doesn't start with chapter?
16:52:33bluebrotheror am I getting it wrong here?
16:52:35tucozno. it is fine with \section
16:52:40tucozbut not with \subsection
16:53:27tucozand i think that it will be too many files if we start extracting \subsections to their own files
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16:54:56bluebrotherbut I don't think it's good to have text in main.tex −− which is why I want to rip it up a bit more ;-)
16:55:25tucozyes. I agree. A main would ideally only be used to control that chapter.
16:55:36tucozwhat to include and what not to include
16:56:18tucozJust like the plugins chapter is now :)
16:57:54tucozHmm. how should I solve this. Now the sections are of very long names. Like 'Creating playlists by playing a song'
16:58:05tucozand 'Creating a dynamic playlist using the Insert and Queue functions'
16:58:38tucozIsn't it good enough to cut that to 'Playing a song' and 'Using Insert and Queue'?
16:59:10tucozthe descriptions are in a context (Creating playlists) after all.
16:59:31bluebrothermaybe. Try it and see if the users complain :D
17:02:09tucozbluebrother, should I move the playlist file to the rockbox_interface chapter then?
17:02:29bluebrotherhmm. Maybe that's better.
17:02:49Rincewindservus bluebrother :-)
17:02:59bluebrotherhi Rincewind
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17:11:24tucozbluebrother, I think I just add the playlist section from the current location.
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17:18:11godzirradamnit, ituns won't even let me import my m4a files.
17:18:40godzirraand it reduplicated every god damned song.
17:18:56godzirraI fraeking hate itunes.
17:19:05godzirraso how do you edit your mbr with a hex editor in linux?
17:19:47Genre9mp3godzirra: Relax... you are in the right place! ;)
17:20:27godzirraGenre9mp3: I know. I've had rockbox on my h-120 for 3 years or so
17:20:39godzirraI'm just frustrated horribly by itunes and how horribly it sucks.
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17:24:42godzirraso while I'm not clear on how editing the mbr works, I'm not an un-technical person.
17:25:00godzirracan someone point me towards how to hex edit the mbr?
17:25:29barrywardelltucoz: about your wps on the H10 question. Play brings you from the file browser to the WPS.
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17:31:16tucozbarrywardell, ok. thanks. What key is to go to the parent directory?
17:32:42tucoz:) good. then the browser table is complete.
17:32:54barrywardellgreat :)
17:34:26bluebrothergodzirra, you could extract the mbr using dd, convert it to a hex representation using xxd, edit it with your favourite editor and then convert it back (xxd -r) and dd it back.
17:35:13godzirrabluebrother: and I do it with dd by doing dd if=/dev/sdX of=mbr.bin ?
17:35:20godzirrai.e. just sdb, not sdb1?
17:35:36bluebrothermbr is /dev/sdb
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17:35:48bluebrother(replace sdb with your disk, of course)
17:35:54godzirraits sdb :)
17:36:00bluebrothermbr is the first 512 bytes of the disk −− see wikipedia :)
17:36:24godzirragot it
17:38:21godzirraI wonder if you can do it in windows if you have the appropriate tools.
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17:38:46godzirrahmm... I dont think I have mtools
17:39:17bluebrothershould do it. Never tried, though
17:41:18godzirrahuh. I just realized I have no ideaq what to use as the if= line in dd in windows.
17:41:22godzirraohw ell.. i'll boot to linux.
17:41:30bluebrother(use the "english" link on the left side, noted it too late)
17:41:52godzirraI got it :)
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17:59:05godzirraSo what/where is mtools?
17:59:48bluebrothergodzirra, what do you exactly want to do with mtools?
18:00:18godzirrabluebrother: I'm going to follow the info on the website and see if I can get rockbox running on my 5.5g
18:00:19bluebrothermtools consists of a bunch of tools named like m<dosnameofthattool>
18:00:56bluebrotherwhich website?
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18:03:42bluebrothersounds awful
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18:05:31godzirraMore awful than being forced to use itunes? :)
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18:08:35barrywardelltucoz: i posted my suggested changes to the bug report. what do you think?
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18:10:15tucozbarrywardell, looking at it now
18:10:41barrywardellis it too technical?
18:12:34tucozI think it looks great. Not too technical. But, you should add a {} after the macros if they are followed by a space.
18:12:50barrywardellah, ok. was wondering about that
18:13:07barrywardellwill do. is it ok to commit then?
18:13:43tucozyou use the \ sometimes (which works). But if you do not have anything after the macros, it will cause the word after the macro to be merged with the macro word.
18:13:56tucozyes. I think you should
18:14:37thegeek_this means the ipod wins;P
18:14:46barrywardellbreaking the divide between manual editor an coder :)
18:14:48tucozif a macro is followed by a . or , etc. you should not add a \ or a {} afterwards.
18:15:18tucozas that will add a space
18:15:39barrywardellok, thanks. i was a bit confused by that
18:16:00bluebrotherhmm. Adding {} shouldn't do any harm.
18:16:04tucozthe \ escapes a space.
18:16:10barrywardelli'll change the \ to {}
18:16:16tucozbarrywardell, listen to bluebrother
18:16:24tucozyes. that will be fine
18:16:46bluebrother\, gives a space in math mode, I'm not sure about text mode.
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18:17:10bluebrotherbut I guess it will give a half space there too.
18:18:43barrywardellis the X5 rockbox bootloader loaded from disk or flash?
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18:22:17amiconnIt's loaded from flash
18:23:39barrywardelljust spotted that in the wiki too:)
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18:53:47godzirradd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.bin should generate a 512 byte file shuoldnt it?
18:54:48godzirraor am I missing something?
18:57:07bluebrotherit should
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18:58:33godzirrashawn@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/mbr.bin
18:58:44godzirrait doesnt return in like 5 seconds like it should
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18:58:55godzirraand when I hit ctrl-c it says 223 MB copied
18:59:34bluebrothertry adding bs=512 count=1
18:59:44bluebrotherseems it tries to copy the whole disk
18:59:49godzirraahh there we go
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19:06:58godzirrawhen it says reformat that partition, it means just the fat32 partition?
19:07:23godzirraor the whole drive?
19:12:55godzirrawhat mtools do I use to copy the files over onto the rockbox partition after formatting?
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19:19:50bluebrothermcopy I guess
19:20:00godzirraWhen I try and moutn the drive with mmount /dev/sdb2 or mmount /dev/sdb2 /mnt
19:20:06godzirrait gives me the usage arguments
19:21:01bluebrotheryou need to configure a drive letter in mtools.conf
19:21:37bluebrotherat least as far as I can see. Never used mmount before
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19:22:05bluebrotherI used mtools back the days when floppy disks were still in use. mcopy a:foo.txt .
19:22:07bluebrotherand similar
19:23:13godzirraok, I have it set this way in my mtools.conf: drive c: file="/dev/sdb2"
19:23:18amiconnbarrywardell: I think the definitions (HAVE_FIRMWARE_IN_FLASH / HAVE_FIRMWARE_ON_DISK) are a bit misleading
19:23:39godzirrathen I do this: shawn@ubuntu:~$ sudo mmount c: -t msdos
19:23:49godzirrais that right? I'm not sure how to confirm its mounted....
19:24:06bluebrotherwhen it gets mounted "mount" will show it up
19:24:17godzirrathen its not getting moutned correctly
19:24:20godzirrawhat am I doing wrong?
19:24:28bluebrotherno idea. Never used it.
19:24:31amiconnOn archos (and inofficially, H1x0) it's possible to flash the actual rockbox in addition to the bootloader (the latter with a slightly different meaning on archos)
19:24:37bluebrotherbut you can simply mcopy your files
19:24:44godzirrawithout mounting it?
19:24:49bluebrotheror, at least, you should be able doing so.
19:24:59godzirraoh. yup.
19:25:00bluebrotheryes, that's one of the purposes of mtools.
19:25:12bluebrothertry floppy:/ in konqueror ;-)
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19:25:33barrywardellamiconn: why do you say that?
19:25:53barrywardellnvm. just read your second comment
19:26:17godzirrawhen I write the mbr back to /dev/sdb, do I still need bytes=512 count=1?
19:26:43barrywardellamiconn: any suggestions for a better definition?
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19:27:05bluebrotherI don't think so −− the mbr file is only 512 bytes, so dd will stop on end of file
19:28:12godzirrathat didnt seem to do anything at all
19:28:29godzirrawhen it rebooted
19:28:30barrywardellamiconn: maybe HAVE_ROCKBOX_BL_*?
19:28:35godzirrait popped right back up into the apple firmware
19:28:37amiconnHAVE_BOOTLOADER_IN_FLASH / HAVE_BOOTLOADER_ON_DISK comes to mind...
19:29:03amiconnOn, and on archos, there is no bootloader to install by default
19:29:05barrywardellthere are two bootloaders on H10/ipod.
19:29:48amiconnAs long as you don't want to have rockbox in flash (that's optional), the archos bootloader directly loads rockbox
19:30:08barrywardellthere is the one in flash which we don't touch and then the rockbox one which is on disk
19:30:14amiconnI know
19:30:43barrywardellthat sounds best to me
19:30:57amiconnNone of them should be defined for archos, then
19:31:10amiconnOr is that impossible
19:31:36amiconnHmm, maybe it is. We need a different text, so we need a different option, correct?
19:31:36barrywardellthat's how it is now. nothing defined for archos
19:31:54barrywardellthose definitions are only used for SWCODEC
19:32:22amiconnHmm. Are there no installation instructions for archos?
19:32:27*amiconn checks the manual
19:32:35godzirraOr does anyone have a patcher version of ipod_fw.c they can send me? It doesnt patch right for me.
19:32:55barrywardellthe instructions are different for SWCODEC/MASCODEC
19:33:44godzirraanyone know?
19:34:12barrywardellamiconn: see getting_started/installation.tex
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19:35:53amiconnHmm, ok
19:38:16barrywardellso i'll change it to HAVE_RB_BL_* then? That sounds better to me anyway...
19:38:28*godzirra does the uber happy dance.
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19:38:48godzirraI have rockbox loading
19:38:49godzirraon my ipod
19:38:55godzirraI still need to use mtools to copy mp3s though
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19:44:12godzirradoes rockbox need a special build to use themes?
19:44:13godzirrai'm confused.
19:45:31bluebrotherto use themes?
19:45:40godzirraYes.. I was reading the jclix theme info
19:45:48godzirraand it has on his page a "rockbox build" for themes.
19:47:03markungodzirra: yes, you need a special build for his themes
19:47:28godzirraI won't use his themes then.
19:48:08bluebrothergodzirra, have a look at
19:48:27godzirraAhh thank you
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19:51:51godzirrahow long does it take to copy 17 gigs to an ipod? :)
19:53:49ender`no idea about ipod, but to iriver, it's about 20 minutes
19:54:12godzirrait should be done pretty quick then
19:55:43markununless you only have USB 1.1
19:56:34godzirraI'm pretty sure I have 2... how can I tell?
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19:59:55excitatorygodzirra: you probably have 2, but if it takes the better part of today to transfer, you have 1.1, and will then be forced to go out and upgrade your pc.. :D
20:00:32godzirraIts a laptop I bought about 2.5 weeks ago
20:00:44excitatoryoh yea.. you're good
20:01:05excitatoryusb 2 has been around for >5 years, at least..
20:01:27godzirrayeah, I just looked it up to make sure
20:01:31godzirraI was pretty sure it wasnt 1.1 :)
20:01:41godzirraalthough it -is- still copying :/
20:01:53excitatorywell, ipods are slow
20:02:03excitatoryit takes about 20 minutes to fill my 2gb nano
20:02:16godzirraare you serious?
20:02:33godzirrais there a way on linux to tell how long somethings been running?
20:02:39excitatoryyea.. idk why's rather annoying, but i've always noticed that about ipods
20:03:08BHSPitMonkeyexcitatory, in Apple's disk mode, or the hardware disk mode?
20:03:08excitatorygodzirra: the only way i know is to append the time command before the command you're running.
20:03:18godzirraor use ps? :)
20:03:23godzirra24 minutes.
20:03:27excitatoryidk, perhaps
20:04:08excitatoryBHSPitMonkey: um..idk.. hardware disk mode, i believe.. i deleted my apple firmware a long time ago.. so hardware, i guess, right?
20:04:14BHSPitMonkeyexcitatory, that's why.
20:04:35excitatoryplease elaborate..
20:04:42BHSPitMonkeyin that diskmode it's restricted to usb 1.1
20:04:51BHSPitMonkeylook at lsusb output when you have it connected
20:05:03excitatoryi knew something was up
20:05:06BHSPitMonkeyin the disk mode within appleOS, it's 2.0
20:05:10BHSPitMonkeythat's just a nano bug.
20:05:30BHSPitMonkeymight be corrected by now, but you probably don't want to run the updater, right.
20:05:32excitatorywell damn. i can't be havin' this
20:05:42BHSPitMonkeywell, you could just backup your firmware partition
20:05:51godzirrain which diskmode its usb 1.1?
20:06:00godzirraand is it for all ipods?
20:06:03BHSPitMonkeythe crappy looking one.
20:06:03excitatoryhardware, on the nano
20:06:05BHSPitMonkeyand no, just the nano.
20:06:07godzirraOh ok
20:06:19BHSPitMonkeyjust type lsusb and look at the output
20:06:22amiconnThere is no hardware disk mode.
20:06:39amiconnUSB is completely software-driven on the ipod
20:07:12BHSPitMonkeyamiconn, whatever you want to call the disk mode that's outside of apple's firmware.
20:07:16excitatoryBHSPitMonkey: well..damn.. i've been rather sick of slow transfers.. so what can i do? (keep in mind i don't have access to a mac or windows.. well maybe a friend..idk)
20:07:30amiconnThere is 'emergency disk mode' (in the apple EEPROM) and "ordinary" disk mode in retailos
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20:07:50amiconnBHSPitLappy: No, it _is_ apples disk mode in both cases
20:07:54godzirraI wish there was an mtools command to do a disk usage
20:07:56godzirraor an ls
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20:08:11amiconnJust one is in eeprom, the other in retailos itself
20:08:12BHSPitMonkeyamiconn, if you want to be technical you could say portalplayer's.
20:08:33BHSPitMonkeyamiconn, we communicate to be understood, not to be scored for accuracy.
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20:09:29excitatoryso do i need teh appleos to have usb2? (i had originally deleted it to gain an extra ~64mb, and increase boot time by 2 seconds)
20:09:32godzirra30 minutes its been copying now :/
20:10:29BHSPitMonkeyexcitatory, it's possible that if you update your iPod, that bug would be fixed.
20:10:41BHSPitMonkeyand then you could just re-write your firmware partition as it is now
20:11:08BHSPitMonkeyI am unsure as to whether it's been fixed.
20:12:20bluebrothergodzirra, mdir?
20:12:24amiconnShutdown screen on recv1 is still not working
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20:12:49godzirraI thouht mdir heh
20:12:55bluebrotherlast time I copied my complete h120 it took several hours −− the disk isn't as fast as a usual usb2 disk.
20:12:56godzirraplain floppy: device "/dev/sdb2" busy (Resource temporarily unavailable):
20:13:06godzirrathat sucks.
20:13:13godzirraoh well, i'm going to have t ohit ctrl+c and do it later then
20:13:18godzirrai've got to go install a server.
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20:13:54excitatoryamiconn: do you know anything about this? the usb1/2 thing in EDM, and if an ipod update would fix this?
20:14:26amiconnI don't know. My mini2g does transfer at USB2 high speed in emergency disk mode
20:14:35godzirrain 30 minuts I got to the O's
20:14:44godzirraBut Overclock Remix has about 7 of the 20 gigs :)
20:15:09amiconngodzirra: How many gigs did it transfer in 30mins?
20:15:17godzirrahow do I check?
20:15:29godzirrathats interesting.
20:15:33godzirra 73 071 378 432 bytes free
20:15:38godzirrais what it said at the bottom.
20:15:44godzirracorrect me if i'm wrong, but that says 73 gigs?
20:16:06bluebrotherdepends if you're calculatin gigabytes or gibibytes
20:16:10godzirrano idea
20:16:14godzirrathats what mdir output
20:17:00bluebrotherit's bytes. That's about 68 GiB or 73 GB
20:17:06godzirrayeah, thats wrong :)
20:17:07pondlifelostlogic: around yet?
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20:17:14amiconngodzirra: eh?
20:17:24godzirraI have a 30 gig ipod :)
20:17:27bluebrotherwindows calls GiB GB, which is confusing and even wrong.
20:17:40godzirraFor it to have 73 GB free would be a pretty cool trick
20:18:10pondlifeSlasheri: you around perchance?
20:18:27bluebrotherthen I guess it calculates wrong ... wrong sector size?
20:18:34Slasheripondlife: you never know ;)
20:18:38amiconnMaybe mdir calculates wrong as it's confused by the 2048byte real vs. 512byte virtual sectors (as seen from the pc)
20:18:44godzirraCould be.
20:18:59amiconnWhat's the real disk size?
20:19:06amiconnnm, you said it
20:19:19Slasheripondlife: so, what is in your mind? :)
20:19:36pondlifeSlasheri: I have made a slightly radical change to playback.c, I've scrapped buf_ridx and used ci.curpos to work the read position out instead
20:19:50pondlifeThis has cured the problem I was looking into...
20:19:59Slasheripondlife: hmm, interesting
20:20:08Slasheripondlife: how did it work when track changes?
20:20:14pondlifeSeems ok.
20:20:21amiconngodzirra: With a little interpretation I guess that it managed to copy around 10gigs within the 30 mins.
20:20:33amiconnThat's definitely faster than usb1.1 full speed
20:20:39godzirraEh. thats not horrible I guess.
20:20:49Slasheriso you use instead tracks[track_ridx].buffer_start[ci.curpos] or something like that?
20:20:54pondlifeRather than buf_ridx, I'm using tracks[track_ridx].buf_idx+ci.curpos (allowing for ring buffer overflow of course)
20:21:05Slasheriok, that sounds good
20:21:11pondlifeAlso filebufused has gone too
20:21:21pondlifeThat is now buf_widx-"buf_ridx"
20:21:27Slasherii think that should work without problems
20:21:37Slasherinice :)
20:21:44pondlifeSo the codec controls all read positions, and audio just fills
20:22:14pondlifeCrossfade still works, I just wondered it there was anything else I might have sacrificed by doing this
20:22:19godzirra27.58 seconds to copy 97 megs.
20:22:23godzirraI'm off to go install a server folks.
20:22:24Slasheriyep, seems to be a good approach. And now it might be even simplier to separate buffering code if ever needed
20:22:25godzirratalk to you all later.
20:22:38pondlifeIt did seem to be a juggling act, synchronising all these variables...
20:22:40Slasheripondlife: just commit and fix later :)
20:22:49pondlifeNot ready for commit yet
20:22:54Slasheriah ;)
20:23:01pondlifeLots of debugging code to clear out etc.
20:23:04pondlifeMaybe tomorrow
20:23:14pondlifeI'll pop a patch up first too
20:23:32pondlifeBut it's another big simplification... if it all works.
20:23:33Slasheriif i get ever time to work with the playback.c, i would like to separate the buffering code into a different file
20:23:56pondlifeWell, I've now seperated playback.c into 3 sections - audio_ codec_ voice_
20:24:02pondlifeThey could easily become 3 files if needed
20:24:16pondlifeI did think about scrapping playback.c ;)
20:24:33pondlifeAnd introducing playbackc.c, playbackv.c and playbacka.c
20:24:38pondlifeOr something
20:24:49pondlifeThat's another day's work though
20:25:12pondlifeThere would need to be more interfaces introduced to delink the voice stuff more
20:25:13Slasherii would like to implement a simple and powerfull api for the buffering without dependencies from playback.c
20:25:18godzirrahow weird
20:25:20godzirraon my ipod
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20:25:26godzirranone of the themes wps files are loading graphics right it seems
20:25:30godzirrait loads a background but no other graphics
20:25:42Slasherithat would allow it to allocate the tracks differently without need for playback engine know about how it works
20:25:47godzirraactually, it doesnt appear to parse much of anything right...
20:25:56amiconnpondlife: I hope your work also makes playback.c easier to understand. The task sepaaration (audio fills, codec reads) sounds good
20:26:02godzirraLike it says 114|318|Alien Angel
20:26:05pondlifeSo you don't know of any good reason why buf_ridx needs to exist.
20:26:08*amiconn still wants to unify playback code
20:26:17pondlifeamiconn: This should help
20:26:30Slasheripondlife: no, it's only an improvement that it has been removed
20:26:43Slasherino more as strict dependencies from other tracks in the buffer
20:26:50godzirraanyone have any ideas?
20:27:10pondlifeMy new code may be less efficient though. More calculations for sure.
20:27:22pondlifeAlthough small compared to the codec work, and much more readable
20:27:56amiconnpondlife: Does your work already include metadata on buffer, or prepare that?
20:28:18pondlifeThat's why I wanted to talk to lostlogic
20:28:28pondlifeI hope what I'm doing won't make that harder.
20:28:57pondlifeBecause the read position will now be at the mercy of the codec
20:28:59*amiconn thinks he should start separating hwcodec playback from hwcodec recording
20:29:17Slasheripondlife: and please don't hurry about moving the metadata to the buffer.. there is many ways to do that
20:29:29*amiconn needs a spare time generator :(
20:29:47pondlifeamiconn: There are more plugins to be ported to the player yet too.
20:30:04pondlifeCharmap doom anyone?
20:30:09amiconnYes, and in fact I am on to one
20:30:26oboaalib doom? :)
20:30:29amiconnFlipIt needs cleanup anyway, and is also a candidate for a player port
20:30:45pondlifeSolitaire? Those cards still don't bounce realistically enough IMHO.
20:31:01Slasheripondlife: i think that the buffering api might be good idea to implement before that change.. would be a more advanced solution
20:32:51pondlifeSorry, I don't understand...
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20:33:20pondlifeI've got to go, too. :(
20:33:33Slasheridon't worry, i will have a look on that if i get some time soon ;)
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20:33:46BigMacSoap around?
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21:00:52godzirraok, i'm at the data center waiting for crap to copy
21:01:01godzirraanyone have any idea why my ipod seems to only be parsing part of the wps file?
21:03:50dan_agodzirra: Is it a WPS which comes with Rockbox, or one you downloaded?
21:03:56godzirraone which I downloaded
21:04:02godzirrawhich ones come with rockbox? i'll test one of those
21:04:07godzirradan_a: And its -all-of the ones I downloaded
21:04:08godzirranot just one
21:04:39dan_aA lot of the downloaded ones need a patched version of Rockbox - for e.g. album art
21:05:04godzirrathis one seems to be just loading bmps
21:05:06godzirrano album art
21:07:03dan_aDancePuffDuo, Unicatcher, boxes, engineeer2, iAmp, iCatcher, ipodVOL, marquee and zezayer are the included ones.
21:07:39dan_aLoad the whole theme (not just the WPS) otherwise they probably won't look right
21:08:18godzirraok, of those I only have boxes
21:08:19godzirraand it looks ok
21:08:40godzirrawait, i have unicatcher and icatcher too
21:09:19dan_aI think if you get a theme for your machine, that has a minimum version of "any recent daily build" it *should* work
21:09:23godzirrastill doesnt load the background
21:09:31godzirraI have a daily build from probably... hmm
21:09:33godzirrai dunno.. a week ago?
21:10:22dan_aWhich themes haven't worked?
21:10:51dprogodzirra: which ipod anyway ?
21:11:24godzirrajblackglass, flamebox, hipod dark x5,and then unicatcher and icatcher
21:11:24dprogodzirra: ah ok, I have only access to a mini ATM so backgrounds aren't really an issue over here ;)
21:12:06dprogodzirra: but my last cvs checkout is about from that time
21:12:20dprogodzirra: but all the less spiffy ones work ?
21:12:26dan_ajBlackGlass has a minimum version of "jBuild"
21:12:38dan_a(i.e. a patched Rockbox)
21:12:38godzirrathey still display an image trying to load in the top left corner
21:12:41godzirraand it doesnt load
21:12:45godzirradan_a: ok
21:13:05godzirraall of them seem to be trying to load a background
21:13:17dan_aTry the ones that say "Any Recent Daily Build" as the Min Version
21:13:30godzirraook, i'll have to try when i get home
21:13:35godzirraI'm just thrillde i have it running
21:13:37godzirraI detest itunes :)
21:13:40dan_aHiPod Dark should work
21:14:18dan_a(though HiPod Dark X5 is probably for the IAudio X5)
21:14:35godzirrabut it should still load the background
21:14:38godzirraand just look funny maybe
21:14:44godzirrai'll try more when I get home and chat with you guys about it
21:15:18dan_aI'm just happy to have the LED on my Sansa flashing... WPSs are a long way away!
21:17:10preglowsounds good
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21:18:41LearArchos users might dislike the recent changes in TagCache. With the default tagnavi.config, it now allocates some 280 kB during startup (with no tagcache in RAM). :)
21:19:14lostlogicdarn, missed pondlife
21:19:27preglowjhMikeS: what's the latest commit good for?
21:20:43Slasherilostlogic: yep, that will be optimized in future.. more dynamic allocations =)
21:20:51Slasherii meant Lear.
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21:22:43lostlogicSlasheri: no performance concerns with pondlife's new buf_ridx removal? That's be the only thing I'd have against it. It actually also makes metadata-on-buffer easier, IMO
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21:23:22Slasherilostlogic: i don't think that would have a huge impact in performance
21:23:30Slasherisomething like +-2% should be ok
21:24:03Slasheriyes, and it makes it easier to implement the separate buffering api and buffering schemes
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21:24:32ikke33i've got a question about rockbox on my ipod video
21:24:42ikke33is there a way i can set the font higher
21:24:48ikke33so the lettres are bigger?
21:25:18lostlogicSlasheri: coo' hey −− we agreed about something just now :-P
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21:25:52Slasherihehe, the legendary moment :D
21:26:28lostlogicikke33: you can select fonts... somewher ein the menu
21:26:31lostlogiccheck the manual for details
21:27:07LearHmm... Build server down again?
21:27:08oboand make sure you've downloaded the font zip from the daily build page if you haven't done so before
21:27:50ikke33ok thx
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21:30:04lostlogicthere's a build running on my box atm
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21:30:34Slasheriand here as well
21:30:47LearAh, now it shows on the cvs page. Took a little while.
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21:34:34ikke33anyone know where i can find the .fnt files for fonts?
21:34:43ikke33i downloaded last update but can't find them
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21:38:23ikke33lostlogic u still here?
21:38:35Learikke33: See "last" archive on
21:38:47Lear(Down to the right)
21:38:47jhMikeSpreglow: which?
21:38:58ikke33srry :p
21:41:45preglowthe one you just commited?
21:42:23jhMikeSpreglow: Help keep the meters better synced with the audio even if playback struggling and lurching.
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21:43:46jhMikeSIt looked a bit better on x5 so it probably helps on iRiver too. I didn't change the update rate defined for the WPS though (20fps)
21:44:04mirakcan gcc4 be used to build the toolchain ?
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21:46:52markunmirak: I would think so
21:46:59markundoesn't it work?
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21:48:17mirakdon't know, I didn't switched yet
21:48:23LearI think I've done that on ubuntu... (32-bits at least)
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21:50:42Bagderdan_a: nice commit!
21:52:25dan_aBagder: Thank you! It was about time we had some movement
21:53:30dan_aIt seems to take a *very* long time to start running though
21:54:01Bagderit does? how weird
21:54:10preglowhow long?
21:54:19Bagderwell I think the OF takes oddly long too
21:54:26preglowtried doing a set_cpu_frequency?
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21:54:52preglowwhat's the risk of breaking the sandisks, btw?
21:54:59dan_aNot yet, and I've not set the cache up yet
21:55:11Bagderpreglow: there should be no risk at all really
21:55:55dan_aI've not broken mine yet
21:56:23Bagder... as we don't mess with the original bootloader and that has a recovery mode
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21:57:16preglowlostlogic: he's here!
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22:00:39amiconngodzirra: Iirc background bitmaps are loaded _only_ if the bitmap matches the LCD resolution exactly
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22:06:58Paul_the_NerdAnd the bitmap must be 24-bit I believe
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22:11:45sneakumsthe ipod sim loaded my optimized 8-bit backgrounds, fwiw
22:12:46Paul_the_NerdUsing either the %X wps tag or the "Set as Backdrop" menu option?
22:12:57sneakumsthe latter
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22:13:28Paul_the_NerdHm, I thought 24-bit was a requirement on backdrops for some reason, even though 1 and 8 are valid in WPSes.
22:13:34Paul_the_NerdThen again, it doesn't really matter what you use.
22:13:50Paul_the_NerdFor backdrops they're all converted to the native LCD dept and stored in a static sized buffer anyway.
22:14:32sneakumsmostly i did it because i was concerned about the 24bit -> 16-bit colour squash, so figured bitmaps with fewer colours might work better
22:14:49sneakumsbut since i haven't been able to get it to run on my 5.5 yet, i can't really check
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22:22:16Soapa colour subject to squashing will squash (I like that word) regardless of how many colours you use I believe.
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22:30:59LHello guys
22:31:47markunhi L
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23:06:33mirakmarkun: did you research of appartment advanced ?
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23:20:01markunmirak: haven't found a room yet
23:20:15markunWhy, are you inviting me? ;)
23:20:34mirakthat's really too small sorry :)
23:20:38mirak18 m²
23:20:58preglowmoving to france?
23:21:07markuninternship in paris
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23:21:44mirakmarkun: 300 euros is really the max you can afford ?
23:22:23mirakyou want to live near Univ Paris 8 or inside Paris ?
23:23:13preglowyou wouldn't get anything in oslo for that, i think
23:23:20preglowhow are paris prices?
23:24:09jhMikeS sneakums: why not dither 24->16?
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23:25:06sneakumsjhMikeS: couldn't find an easy way to do that in the gimp
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23:25:18preglowi betcha there is a way, though
23:25:27sneakumsdithering to 256 with F-S looks pretty good though
23:25:35jhMikeSgimp? enlighten me on that term
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23:25:48sneakumsjhMikeS: image-editing softwre
23:26:10preglowphotoshop-alike that's not really photoshop yet, heh
23:26:10jhMikeSI mean on the fly when you load it. I could put that together pretty quick
23:26:55jhMikeSonly need 32 bytes for the matrices
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23:28:20jhMikeSmaybe I'm way off purpose?
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23:36:19jhMikeSheh...I'll just do it...recording's stuck right now anyway.
23:37:54*scorche is off to a covenant/rotersand/imperative reaction concert ^_^
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23:42:24sneakumsjhMikeS: that'd be pretty keen
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23:46:45Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: Some effort is made to convert from 24->16, but I'm not sure how it's done.
23:47:05sneakumsall i saw when i read the code was the colours being truncated
23:47:09sneakumsbut maybe i missed somethiing
23:47:35Paul_the_NerdI doubt they were just truncated.
23:47:44Paul_the_NerdThat seems odd
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23:54:19jhMikeSPaul_The_Nerd: truncation
23:54:36jhMikeSIt just uses the RGBPACK macro
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23:57:05Paul_the_NerdAh well

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