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#rockbox log for 2006-10-11

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00:02:32 Quit ender` (" Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- An)
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00:04:51jhMikeSmy background looks pretty nice now
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00:07:01sneakumssneakums/rockbox-ipod-sim.png"> <−− one of my dithered backdrops in the ipod sim
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00:08:20Soapcould someone who to comment?
00:08:29 Quit mirak (Client Quit)
00:08:32jhMikeSI just made the bitmap loader dither it 24->16
00:08:57preglowSoap: looks good
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00:14:28sneakumsis that 64M buffer patch still needed for the ipod video?
00:15:37linuxstb_sneakums: yes
00:15:44LLooks good to me soap
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00:29:47Angryman_H10Did anyone in here ever made a screen optimisation for any build taget for the pacbox plugin ???
00:30:50Angryman_H10Two (for) loops (screenbuffer) and i cant get them working... i am getting crazy... such a (i thought) simple task
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00:32:49SoapIf someone was going to bet which Sansa has the best chance of being supported...
00:34:47Paul_the_NerdThe e200 series?
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00:36:07SoapJust curious. Wife wants a "blue" mp3 player.
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00:37:08zeSoap: get a good one then paint it
00:38:24Paul_the_NerdSoap: iPod Mini. :-P
00:38:38LIpod Nano 2g
00:38:54Paul_the_NerdThose are probably further from Rockbox support than the Sansa e200
00:39:39SoapPaul_the_Nerd - I would only get her a mini if I could replace the HD with a CF card. Just because the idea is so cool to me.
00:40:14*preglow goes on to wonder why a colour would be important...
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00:40:39LColour is important to me as well
00:40:40Paul_the_Nerdpreglow: Much like flames painted on the sides of cars, the right paintjob on an MP3 player can have a significant affect on performance. :-P
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00:42:01LMost ladies don't care about performance
00:42:24SoapMe: "What about this one?"
00:42:34Soapher: "does it play my mp3s?"
00:42:39Davide-NYCI want to do testing for the missed sample bug reported here:
00:42:49SoapMe: "This one has blah blah blah."
00:42:50LHey, does transcoding from wave to flac reduce quality? It shouldn't right? Lossless to lossless
00:42:56Soapher: "Does it play my music?"
00:43:12Davide-NYCpetur is not in here right now, but I was wondering if this bug always happened or if it was on certain input only or what?
00:43:27SoapSo, in her eyes they all do what she wants, and she likes everything blue.
00:43:28Davide-NYCdoes anyone know or do I have to jump in cold
00:43:42LAre you blue then Soap
00:43:56preglowSoap: then she should find a player with a colour that really offsets all her other blue stuff!
00:43:59preglowlike, yellow!
00:44:14Davide-NYCL: transcoding from lossless to lossless is still lossless
00:44:31LBecause foobar takes an eternity to rip my cd =/
00:44:41preglowdon't know if i'd use foobar to rip cds
00:44:47Davide-NYCguys −−> trying to get some info on testing the recording bug.
00:44:48LWhat would you use?
00:44:53preglowDavide-NYC: no idea
00:45:00preglowL: eac, i guess
00:45:01Davide-NYC1-2 seconds of dropped audio is cruitical in my book
00:45:01LI'm trying to just get all my music to .flac format
00:45:03Paul_the_NerdEAC is good
00:45:06preglowDavide-NYC: hell yeah
00:45:22LI'll try EAC
00:45:28Davide-NYCso I guess I'll have to flesh this problem out from scratch
00:45:29preglowmaybe jhMikeS knows, he's probably the one that introduced the bug :-)
00:45:47sneakumsi sure hope cdparanoia IV gets done sometime this decade
00:45:56preglowyou can hope, yes
00:46:03Davide-NYCjhMikeS: what do you know about the missing sample bug that Petur reported recently?
00:46:05LAnd what would you use to transcode wav to flac?
00:46:25zeits not really transcoding
00:46:35Paul_the_NerdIt's just encoding.
00:46:41Davide-NYCWAV is native
00:46:49Paul_the_NerdL: EAC can be set up to use a command-line FLAC encoder to do it all in one step
00:47:04Davide-NYCwhat about CDEX? I use that
00:47:06sneakumsoh, there's a III 10pre0 out
00:47:26LI'm sorry, I don't really know the right terms heh
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00:48:45LSo CDEX would be good to convert wave files to flac?
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00:49:03vertic420I'd use EAC
00:49:15sneakumsi'd just run flac.exe directly
00:49:37sneakumsflac -8 *.wav in the directory you want converted should do it, iirc
00:50:04Paul_the_NerdUsing EAC with the CLI encoder can do the tagging for you too though
00:50:38Davide-NYCDoes anyone with an X5 care to contribute to the preliminary cross-coldfire codec-performance-test?
00:50:57sneakumsoh yeah, tags
00:51:03sneakumsforgot about that because i tag manually
00:51:07Davide-NYCI did the H1x0 and H3x0, all wee need is an X5 to complete the coldfire targets.
00:51:19Davide-NYCIt would make me very happy. (Noone else cares)
00:52:30Davide-NYCAlso, does anyone know of a way to encode files using the iTunes AAC encoder without actually installing the degenerate misery that is iTunes?
00:53:33Davide-NYCOh, and one last (annoying) request.
00:54:09Davide-NYCWhat code do I need to include in debug_menu.c such that the statusbar is displayed in the "view audio thread" screen?
00:55:02PaulJamDavide-NYC: if you don't want to install itunes on your os you can istall it maybe in a virtual machine.
00:55:23Davide-NYCRogerBacon: iTunesEncode requires iTunes
00:55:45Davide-NYCam I missing it?
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00:56:40LOh wow
00:56:42RogerBaconDavide-NYC : sorry ...
00:56:42Davide-NYCPaulJam: thanks for the idea but I may just try to recruit someone to encode the sample WAV for me.
00:56:48LJust when I was about to download the LAME mp3 encoder thing
00:56:51LSourceforge goes down
00:56:54LWhat luck
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00:58:20Davide-NYCthere should be no difference in the resulting M4A file if it's encoded with iTunes on a Mac or in Windows, right?
00:59:10Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: right
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00:59:21RogerBaconright i tink
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01:03:05Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: The operative word is "should" ;)
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01:04:05SoapL - rarewares has 3.97b2
01:04:11Davide-NYChmm, maybe I go to the office (both OS), encode on both, and then do a binary file compare.
01:04:13Soapwhich is the version of LAME you want.
01:04:30Davide-NYCgotta go. Short visit today
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01:04:45Soapmake sure to use the new vbr modes, they are excellent.
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01:09:07LGoing back to that question
01:09:12LI have ripped my cd to wav format
01:09:28LSo using the command line would be the best way to encode it to flac?
01:10:04SoapI, personally, think that reripping it in EAC properly set up to encode to FLAC would be easier, and saves you the step in the future.
01:10:32LLet me try setting it up to do it for FLAC
01:10:32Soapplus EAC can feed FLAC the tags.
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01:10:57Soapwhich EAC can retreive from FreeDB.
01:11:14Soap(which you should proof, as FreeDB is full of typos)
01:12:20Soap(but better than typing it all in from scratch)
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01:15:09Paul_the_NerdSoap: I personally think that FreeDB shouldn't have allowed people to upload subjective tags such as Genre.
01:15:30SoapI can agree with that.
01:16:23Paul_the_NerdThe first thing I end up doing is either erasing or changing the genre field on like, every CD
01:16:58SoapYea, if I'm going to use genre at all I use the most general one for the band from
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01:17:55Paul_the_NerdI'm quite a fan of programs that harvest metadata from like, Amazon and such
01:18:13hav0khi, can anyone help me take the bootloader off my ipod? i was reading the manual's part about it, but its a little vague
01:19:10Paul_the_NerdDid you keep your bootpartition.bin?
01:19:11Soapcheck out the uninstall intructions in the wiki.
01:19:27hav0ki kept the bootpartition.bin
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01:19:41Paul_the_NerdThen you just "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin"
01:19:51hav0kbut when i run the command ipodpatcher, it says there's no such command
01:20:01Paul_the_NerdDid you follow the official install instructions?
01:20:06Paul_the_NerdNo use of third party installers or anything?
01:20:20nudelynif you don't care about the music etc. on it you can tell iTunes to Restore the ipod
01:20:28hav0kno, all straight from the manual
01:20:39Paul_the_NerdDo you remember where you downloaded iPodpatcher.exe to?
01:20:46Paul_the_NerdBecause you *do* have to run it from that same folder.
01:20:48hav0khmmm, well im pretty sure i still have all the music on my computer
01:20:57hav0kim on linux right now Paul_the_Nerd
01:20:57Paul_the_NerdAssuming you were installing from windows.
01:21:04Paul_the_NerdAh, then you use dd instead
01:21:07hav0ki never downloaded ipodpatcher
01:21:12hav0koh, okay
01:21:15Paul_the_NerdSame commandline you used to dd rockboot.bin
01:21:19Paul_the_NerdBut instead bootpartition.bin
01:21:49PaulJamon linux you propably need to add a ./ in front of the comand
01:22:56hav0kwait, so i run the same line i used to put it on there?
01:23:46Paul_the_NerdBasically, the last line of dd you did put rockboot.bin as the /dev/sda1 instead you want to put bootpartition.bin as /dev/sda1 (or sdb1 or whatever)
01:24:02hav0kah ha, i gotcha
01:24:42hav0kwhat command do i run to find out where the ipod is mounted?
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01:25:45Paul_the_NerdThat I honestly don't know.
01:26:26hav0khaha, alright
01:26:37*Paul_the_Nerd is mostly windows based.
01:26:48hav0kyeah, thatts cool
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01:27:06Paul_the_NerdBut I've installed on linux a few times back before we had a windows install method, so I'm familiar with the basics.
01:27:21Paul_the_NerdDuring bootloader testing and such
01:27:25hav0ki think ill just use itunes and reset it
01:27:32Paul_the_NerdThat's the easiest way
01:27:54hav0kalright, well thanks alot, i gotta reboot in windows, yikes! later, and thanks for the help
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01:29:33LThe ripping is quite long
01:29:36LIs that normal?
01:29:44LI used to use Itunes to do it
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01:30:00sneakumsEAC is slow but accurate (given the right settings)
01:31:20LI can't stand 128kbps mp3 quality
01:32:13vertic420192 is minimum imho :P
01:32:23Soapyea, if you put EAC in secure mode it slows it down a lot depending on the drive.
01:32:45vertic420I am ripping @ 3x it's slow as well ~20 min for one CD
01:32:53Soapand if you go mp3, make sure to use lame 3.97 -vbr-new
01:33:47vertic420my lame tag is: -V 2 −−vbr-new −−add-id3v2 −−pad-id3v2 −−ta "%a" −−tt "%t" −−tl "%g" −−ty "%y" −−tn "%n" %s %d
01:34:07LI am going at 0.3x
01:34:09vertic420it's perfect for me
01:34:11LAnd you're going at 3x
01:34:18LCrappy drive I have
01:34:19vertic420and I thought I was slow :P
01:34:39Paul_the_NerdI usually got about 7x on my old computer
01:34:56vertic420I disabled all error corrections and stuff..
01:35:05LI have all those on
01:35:15vertic420should be faster then :P
01:35:28amiconnvertic420: Then you don't need EAC
01:35:41vertic420not all at all :P
01:35:42LI'm anal about quality
01:35:48amiconnThe point of using EAC is to ensure error free ripping
01:36:03amiconnThat is slow. How slow depends on the drive, however
01:36:09vertic420yea - but I disabled the stuff like the error correction C2 or what it's called from the CD drive
01:36:15Paul_the_NerdIf you want fast "decent" ripping, there's a lot of programs that can rip quite fast.
01:36:17Soapyea, my Lite-on rips @ 3x, my plextor at 5x
01:36:27Soapmy pioneer at 1.5x
01:36:36LMy crappy laptop dvd writer rips at 0.3x
01:36:38LBeat that
01:36:47vertic420dont do that on your laptop then
01:36:49Soapis the disc in bad shape?
01:37:03amiconnUsing C2 error detection makes EAC _faster_ without sacrificing secure ripping - if the drive _properly_ supports it
01:37:11LI don't think so Soap, I rarely use it and even the cover is in mint condition
01:37:29vertic420everybody told me to disable it amiconn
01:37:34Paul_the_NerdLaptops are usually *very* bad choices for CD ripping
01:37:37vertic420because they said the test lies a lot..
01:37:45LI would do it on my desktop if I hadn't decided to fix my video card myself *cough*
01:37:46amiconnI recoomend reading the EAC instructions and FAQ
01:37:57LWhy is that Paul?
01:38:43amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: I do rip on my laptop, and it works with bearable speed - if secure mode
01:38:46Paul_the_NerdL: They just have an overall history of having less than reliable drives for that purpose.
01:39:09Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: I rip on my laptop as well, using secure. But in general they've had a bad history.
01:39:13Paul_the_NerdI would assume they've gotten better though
01:39:17amiconnThe one bad thing about this laptop drive is that it sometimes locks up, when ripping several CDs in succession
01:39:20*Paul_the_Nerd hasn't tried out the drive in this laptop.
01:39:48Paul_the_NerdThere's a patch in the tracker that runs the codec thread on th COP
01:39:59amiconnRipping speed starts at ~4x and goes up to ~6x with EAC
01:40:20LYeah my drive would sometimes fail to open when I want it to
01:40:24LIt just locks up
01:40:32amiconn(after I've fixed a DMA problem in windows)
01:40:35LHave to do a powerdown to get it to work again
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01:42:44SoapL - the proper EAC settings for secure error-free rips
01:43:03dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: It's not a very effective patch!
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01:43:31Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Yes, but it still qualifies as "progress"
01:44:06SoapL - also installing the Nero Aspi layer and pointing EAC to it might very well fix your speed problems.
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01:45:34amiconnSoap: There is no such thing as a single best way to set EAC for ensuring error-free rips
01:45:39amiconnIt all depends on the drive
01:46:51LI love the clipboard/pastebin thingy
01:47:21Paul_the_NerdPastebin makes life just a little bit better.
01:47:30amiconnEspecially "Drive Has Accurate Stream feature" and "Drive caches audio data" should be set to the _correct_ properties of the drive used
01:48:11amiconnSetting these options wrong either sacrifices quality, or unnecessarily slows down extraction
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01:49:57amiconnI've set up EAC on various PCs, and the optimum drive settings vary a lot between CD drive brands
01:50:29amiconnIf that wasn't the case, all those options wouldn't make much sense
01:54:03LAwesome! WIth the Nero ASPI Layer, it sped up to 4.2x
01:54:22LOkay it dropped to 0.3x again
01:55:18*jhMikeS is half asleep....some bug or something?
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01:56:13godzirraHowdy folks.
01:56:21godzirraI'm back from my jaunt to the data center.
01:56:23godzirraI hate data centers.
01:56:32godzirraSoooo questions.
01:56:41godzirraDoes rockbox do video yet on ipod?
01:56:50godzirra(Last I asked it didnt, but that was months ago)
01:56:58LIt can read the video element
01:57:03LIt means there is no sound
01:57:07godzirraDoes that mean it plays back video or no? :)
01:57:07jhMikeSGuess Davide-NYC took off...
01:57:10godzirraAhh ok
01:57:13Paul_the_NerdIt plays raw MPEG1 and MPEG2 compressed video streams
01:57:23godzirraPaul_the_Nerd: but no audio on those either?
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01:57:40Paul_the_NerdIf it's *just* a video stream, there's not even any audio to play.
01:57:58godzirraBut for all intents and purposes, you can't watch anything more than silent movies adequately? :)
01:58:17Paul_the_NerdGive it time. Or better yet, work on it. :-P
01:58:25godzirraI would if I knew C :/
01:58:27godzirraor C++
01:58:29godzirraI only do perl
01:58:39godzirrathough I've offered often to see if there's anything I can do to help with that...
01:58:53Lamiconn : So I should use the auto-detect feature to see if my drive supports those options?
01:58:58godzirraI'm just thrilled I got rockbox on my 5.5
01:59:11godzirraOh, that leads me to my second question
01:59:19godzirrawith rockbox on the 5.5, I will have to continue to copy stuff via mtools, correct?
01:59:21LTHe 5.5g is working already?
01:59:23godzirraIt won't show up in windows correctly?
01:59:25godzirraL: Not really.
01:59:28godzirraL: Its possible, but not easy.
01:59:39godzirraWell, its not hard, its just not for the technologically impaired.
01:59:51godzirraIt required hex editing your mbr
01:59:59godzirraand copying stuff via mtools in linux
02:00:20LAnyway to fix your mbr if you break it?
02:00:27LI think it breaks the Ipod right?
02:00:32godzirraAs far as I know just doing a standard restore works fine
02:00:43sneakumsgodzirra: is yours 30G or 80?
02:00:47godzirraSince a system restore just repartitions the drives.
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02:00:49godzirrasneakums: 30
02:01:06godzirrahas anyone done it on an 80 yet?
02:01:15godzirraI know a lot of people were doing it on the 30's
02:01:20godzirraFor some definition of a lot.
02:01:21sneakumsi tried, but the bootloader hands trying to read the MBR
02:01:27sneakumser, hangs
02:01:29godzirraAhh, was that your post?
02:01:33godzirraon ata_read?
02:01:34sneakumsyep, i'm pjdc on the forum
02:01:46godzirra80 or 30?
02:01:58godzirraI know I had to change my mbr for the 30 to match his
02:02:01sneakumssomeone else tried with an 80 also and had no luck
02:02:02godzirraeven outside of the changes he specified.
02:02:10sneakumsoh, what else did you have to change?
02:02:17sneakumsall i did was the partition table
02:02:18godzirraA few bytes were just not the saame as his.
02:02:26godzirraI made suire to match his exactly and it seems to work fine.
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02:02:50myzarso quiet :o
02:03:53godzirraWe all stopped talkiong when you joined :)
02:04:10godzirraSo for now I need to keep using mtools to copy stuff right? It won't work correctly under windows?
02:04:12sneakumswhere are the details on the rest of the MBR posted?
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02:04:19godzirra(I know it doesnt under linux)
02:04:25godzirrasneakums: page 4 iirc
02:04:34godzirraif its not page 4 its page 5
02:05:26myzaryou can actually use vmware
02:05:48myzaror possibly cygwin
02:05:55godzirraBut I do have to use mtools still, correct?
02:05:56myzari'm still trying to figure out the whole process on an 80gb
02:06:04myzarone second, i'll check for you
02:06:04godzirraIf thats the case I'm fine with that. Just wondering if it is :)
02:06:09sneakumspage 5 just has the partitoin table stuff, as far as i can see
02:06:14godzirraI just dont want to plug it into a windows machine and have it die or something :)
02:06:18sneakumschecked page 4 too
02:06:20godzirraone sec sneakums
02:06:24sneakumsgodzirra: thanks
02:06:49myzarlet's see
02:06:56sneakumsgodzirra: my plan for linux is to hack the usb-storage driver to report a 512-byte sector size for the ipod, which i hope will work
02:06:59sneakumsbecause i like rsyncing
02:07:02myzarhe first reformatted it with mkdosfs
02:07:03godzirraKalthare's post on page 5
02:07:07godzirrahalf way down the page
02:07:18myzarand used mtools to install rockbox and add music
02:07:24godzirraHere was my method:
02:07:29godzirracopy the mbr with dd.
02:07:31myzarthen installed the bootloader by reversing bytes
02:07:31amiconnsneakums: Imho the proper solution would be to adapt the rockbox fat driver to work with 2048byte virtual sectors
02:07:34godzirrahex edit the mbr. (Don't put it back on)
02:07:45godzirraon the second partition
02:07:46sneakumsamiconn: definitely, but right now i want to get it working any way at all
02:07:53godzirracopy rockbox on with mtools
02:07:59godzirradd the hex edited bootloader.
02:08:14godzirracopy some music on and unplug the USB Cable.
02:08:30sneakumsi'll give it another go tonight
02:08:43sneakumsgiven where it's hanging though i do wonder if there's something odd about the 80G ata-wise
02:09:21sneakumsalso, my partition table does match the end result in Kalthare's big post there
02:09:28myzarthere is
02:09:32myzar80Gs have a bigger sector size
02:09:36myzarsomebody said so on page 5
02:09:40myzar30s don't
02:10:03sneakumsmyzar: no, both the 30s and the 80s appear over USB to habe 2048 byte secors
02:10:16sneakumser, have
02:10:34myzarif the only change involves sector sizes
02:11:05myzarwhy has nobody edited rockbox yet
02:11:09godzirramyzar: they dont have bigger sector sizes.
02:11:17godzirraSombody said they might.
02:11:20myzardo they?
02:11:22myzardid you check?
02:11:24godzirrathey don't.
02:11:27myzarthen what's the problem
02:11:28myzarin that case
02:11:30godzirraSomeone else posted right afterwawrds that they dont.
02:11:38godzirraNo idea :)
02:11:40myzarwhat is keeping us from properly using rockbox
02:11:42myzarinstalling it
02:11:46myzarand utilizing it
02:11:52godzirraSend me an 80gig and I'll try and get it working ;)
02:11:56sneakumsmyzar: the rockbox fat driver doesn't handle 2048bps filesystems
02:11:59myzarno thanks =P
02:11:59*amiconn wonders why it would be easier to hack the linux usb storage driver than the rockbox fat driver
02:12:07amiconnI think the opposite is the case
02:12:07myzarhow big is said driver
02:12:15myzari take it that it's open source?
02:12:19godzirraIs there a "code" option in the rockbox forums that I'm missing?
02:12:29godzirraI'm trying to get my text to be fixed width
02:12:49myzarhave any rockbox programmers been on?
02:12:49godzirrafound it :)
02:12:58myzarit looks like they are all just rockbox users and not official programmers
02:14:14sneakumsamiconn: i'm more familiar with linux than i am with rockbox, and since the 2k sectors rockbox patch doesn't seem to work, i thought i'd try this way
02:14:48myzarwhich way, sneakums
02:14:59sneakumsthe way we've been talking about for the past half hour
02:15:01myzarthe ultimate goal is to write a patch for rockbox and the bootloader
02:15:09myzarso you can use it just as you can use the 5G
02:15:20myzarand not find alternate tools to write to it
02:15:53sneakumsyes, and if i change usb-storage to report 512 byte sectors, i can use rsync like i always do
02:16:12sneakumsassuming i can get the bootloader to even try to load rockbox, which it currently doesn't seem to do
02:16:21myzarsomebody got that working
02:16:27myzardid you reverse everything?
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02:16:33godzirraOk. I've made my contribution for the moment.
02:16:55godzirraCan anyone help me with wps files?
02:17:09godzirrafor some reason the wps's I'm downloading from don't seem to be loading images correctly.
02:17:12godzirraIts very odd.
02:17:16sneakumsi know someone got that working
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02:17:54sneakumsbut not on an 80G
02:18:25sneakumsgodzirra: you used the pre-built bootloader from the IpodBoot page, yes?
02:18:53godzirraI'm using a theme without album art. I think
02:19:22*amiconn wonders whether the 2K sector patch accounts for the maximum ata transfer size
02:19:39amiconnCould be that this is the problem with the patch
02:19:45sneakumsby the way i think your dd lines shold say bs=512 count=1, because right now you're reading the whole disk
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02:20:59sneakumsamiconn: on my 80G, with a non-2K/s bootloader, it seems to hang in the first ata_read_sectors call in disk_init
02:21:54godzirraSo anyone have any idea what may be up with my wps files?
02:22:29*amiconn cannot find such a patch in the tracker
02:23:01sneakumsamiconn: it was posted to the mailing list:
02:23:40sneakumswhatever's going on with my ipod happens way before the fat code gets involved, though
02:23:52sneakumsthe ata_read_sectors call that hangs is the one reading the MBR
02:24:13*amiconn knew it
02:24:18amiconnThe patch cannot work as-is
02:24:35vertic420does anyone have the X5V (iaudio)?
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02:27:42amiconnsneakums: The you need to work backwards to find out where things start to go wrong
02:27:50amiconnMaybe ata init
02:28:39myzarsomebody mentioned debugging it
02:28:52myzarand finding exactly where it stops
02:29:52sneakumsthat was me
02:30:07sneakumsbut i wonder if lcd calls will perturb timings enough to make that method a waste of time
02:31:05myzaryou mean it won't be precise enough for you?
02:31:19myzari wouldn't know how you would go about debugging it
02:31:34myzaryou can't exactly run a large debugger on an iPod and debug it one line at a time
02:33:03sneakumshere's what i have in disk_init
02:33:04sneakums lcd_log("read MBR");
02:33:05sneakums ata_read_sectors(IF_MV2(drive,) 0,1,&sector);
02:33:05DBUGEnqueued KICK sneakums
02:33:05sneakums /* check that the boot sector is initialized */
02:33:05sneakums lcd_log("check boot signature");
02:33:20sneakumsthe first lcd message appears on the LCD, the second does not
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02:33:35sneakumslcd_log() is just a small function that does the lcd_puts/lcd_update call
02:34:23amiconnI think you need to search lower, and earlier
02:34:38amiconnat lower level I mean
02:35:23sneakumsyou mentioned ata_init, maybe i should log exactly what it does?
02:35:32myzara good idea
02:35:38myzaryou don't know what it does but you're working with it
02:35:43myzarthat's a bit bad, if you ask me :P
02:35:50amiconnIf something goes wrong in the ata init, then it's rather liekly the first try to read something will also fail
02:36:58sneakumsmyzar: well, i'm not going to magically acquire the knowledge, so i may as well try
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02:43:27myzarsorry sneakums
02:43:29myzari dunno XD
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02:51:23godzirraOk, is there a way to shuffle songs?
02:51:28godzirraMy wife just switched to rockbox :)
02:52:32vertic420yes of course..
02:52:42myzarthe best way is to make a playlist with all your music
02:52:43vertic420Play mode - shuffle
02:52:44myzarand shuffle that
02:52:47myzaror do that ;P
02:53:00myzarsince you cant play all of it at once
02:53:04myzarit wont shuffle all of it at once
02:53:06myzarso if you playlist all of it
02:53:09myzarit can shuffle all of it
02:53:16godzirrawhy cant it shuffle it all at once?
02:53:24myzarbecause it would need to scan all your music for that
02:53:34myzarthe ipod firmware does the same thing
02:53:50vertic420you can do that if you do a playlist will all of your music...
02:53:59myzarit takes everything in ipod_control, makes a temporary playlist, then shuffles it
02:54:05myzarbut rockbox can have music in many folders
02:54:11vertic420which is better =)
02:54:28myzarso it doesn't know where all your music is
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02:54:38*vertic420 np: Soulsister - [ - #10] - The Way To Your Heart (03:46) @ 128 kBps
02:54:45sneakumsgodzirra: i usually do "create playlist" on my main music folder, which gives an m3u that i then play shuffled
02:55:11vertic420sneakumsk: better explain how you do that =)
02:55:16vertic420is it possible on the player?
02:55:17godzirraI know how to do trhat
02:55:20godzirraIt is
02:55:20vertic420ok :P
02:55:29godzirraI dont know how to shuffle the playlist after the fact though :)
02:55:40sneakumsthere's a shuffle toggle on the quick menu
02:55:45sneakumsand an option somewhere on the main menu
02:55:47vertic420hehe, load the playlist - go to Settingsmenu
02:55:56vertic420Playmode / settings
02:55:57godzirrasettings is the one you get to by hitting the menu key, right?
02:56:13vertic420some of those keys, yea :P
02:56:21sneakumsyeah, General Settings -> Playback -> Shuffle
02:56:24sneakumsonce you find that menu
02:56:36godzirrashe's copying music now
02:56:47godzirraI never really used my h-120 with rockbox for much except playing folders.
02:56:50godzirradidnt shuffle or anything like that :)
02:57:19godzirraWho is Senab and is their build safe?
02:58:18sneakumsamiconn: i had a look at ata_init, but it looks like it just write magic numbers to magic addresses based on the target, i'm not sure what there is that i could usefully check and log
02:59:14Paul_the_Nerdgodzirra: Just like any supported build, it has its problems and its benefits.
03:00:20myzarthose numbers and adresses probably have some relevance
03:00:27myzarpossibly sectors?
03:00:32myzaror something in the ipod's memory
03:01:43sneakumsmyzar: yes, i assume they are the addresses where the ATA controller registers are mapped
03:03:46myzara good hypothosis
03:04:02sneakumsthe old ipod init stuff is after the ATA reset, but the video is now using the target tree, which calls device init before reset
03:04:06myzarbut it still makes no sense as to why any of these adresses make ata_init fail
03:04:30sneakumsmyzar: my thought also
03:04:56myzarperhaps they added some checks
03:05:01myzarbut no, that makes no sense either
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03:05:19sneakumsthe target tree stuff was put in CVs only recently, yes?
03:07:00sneakumsunless the 80G iPod has the ATA registers mapped in yet a different place
03:07:17myzaranother valid hypothosis
03:07:24myzardo you have a way of checking where they are?
03:07:28godzirraPaul_the_Nerd: Such as?
03:08:18sneakumsi'm sure people have said that the hardware is the same in the 5.5G (apart from the screen and battery)
03:08:28sneakumsbut maybe they only checked a 30G
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03:09:27myzarplenty of surprises, it seems
03:09:44sneakumssurely some crazy person has dismantled an 80G ipod by now
03:10:30myzari have.
03:10:34myzaryou mean physically?
03:10:44sneakumsof course thanks to U2, "dismantle" is a useless search term to use when it comes to iPods
03:10:44myzari saw nothing different from a 30 (5G)
03:11:03sneakumsstill a PP5020 or whatever?
03:11:08myzarwe're talking adresses and non-physical differences
03:11:14myzaroh, i didn't pay attention to minor details
03:11:18sneakumswell, i want to know the model of portalplayer chip in it
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03:12:31godzirraok, so can anyone help me with my wps problems?
03:12:37godzirrano wps loads images correctly.
03:12:42godzirrait seems to load some images but not others.
03:12:47godzirrano theme
03:12:59godzirraI just need to go to browse themes and choose my theme, and it should load everything, right?
03:13:54sneakumsshould do, yes
03:13:57godzirrain the top left corner, it says bground.bmp|
03:14:00godzirraor pbar.bmp|
03:14:06godzirrano matter which theme I choose
03:14:23sneakumsthat sounds like it doesn't recognise the directive the WPS is using to load the backdrop
03:14:36godzirraWhy would that be?
03:15:19sneakumsdoes it happen even with a build and theme?
03:15:36godzirraI'm using the latest daily build and iCatcher right now
03:15:49godzirrain the top left ocrner says: bg-320x240x16-u.bmp|
03:15:56godzirraSo i'm going with yes.
03:17:11sneakumssounds like a plain old bug to me
03:17:37godzirraThats just weird though
03:17:41godzirrabecause some images get loaded...
03:17:50godzirraLike iCatcher has a background
03:17:56godzirraits light blue with some clouds or something behind it
03:18:47pixelmagodzirra: do you have folder called "backdrop" in your .rockbox dir?
03:18:59godzirranot "backdrops"?
03:19:18pixelmabackdrops is right (typo)
03:19:21godzirraall good.
03:19:22godzirraYes I do
03:20:24pixelmaah sorry.. was on the wrong trace...
03:21:15sneakumsthat target tree thing was a red herring, i got lost in all those nested ifdefs
03:21:39Genre9mp3godzirra: Do you have an iCatcher folder with bmps inside ./rockbox/wps ?
03:22:24godzirraI think mcopy is not copying some folders for some reason.
03:22:30godzirraGenre9mp3: One sec
03:22:49godzirraGenre9mp3: no
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03:23:14godzirramcopy isn't recursive by default!
03:23:16Genre9mp3Then that's the problem
03:23:49Genre9mp3You don't have wps bmps at all
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03:23:50godzirraYeah, my fault.
03:23:53godzirraThank you guys
03:24:52godzirraso weird
03:24:55godzirraeverything is slightly off
03:25:02godzirrawith the text and everything
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03:25:51pixelmado you have the fonts package?
03:25:56godzirraI bet not.
03:26:23Genre9mp3godzirra: hehe... no fonts... no bmps :)
03:26:32godzirraHey, I used to be on an h-120
03:26:38godzirraI didnt have to worry about silly things like fonts and bmps :)
03:26:59sneakumsi used to worry about my font, inasmuch as i found one i liked and then forgot about fonts
03:30:22godzirraok guys...
03:30:24godzirrathanks for all the help.
03:30:34godzirraI'm going to go do something destructive like play warcraft for a bit :)
03:31:12myzardo something destructive like get 80gb 5.5g ipods working!
03:31:27godzirramail me an 80Gb ipod.
03:31:45myzardo i look crazy to you?
03:31:50myzarask a friend ;P
03:32:07godzirrayou're trying to get -me- to get something working thats not perl or linux related. Yes, you're crazy :)
03:32:28myzareveryone knows perl, linux, windows
03:32:28godzirraMy friends have better things to do than let me break their ipods :)
03:32:30myzarhardware, software
03:32:51godzirraSo you're saying my skills are useless? *sniffs*
03:32:58myzarbut not everyone can enjoy the sheer intensity of programming in brainf*ck
03:33:08sneakumsthe only new portalplayer chip seems to be the 5024, which they say is for flash players, so i guess the 80G must be using a 5022
03:33:12myzarof COARSE not godzirra
03:33:21myzaryour skills are just...
03:33:28godzirrajust stop right there.
03:33:28myzarthe same skills 90% of the channel have
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03:33:35godzirraYeah, pretty much.
03:33:37*godzirra shrugs.
03:33:41godzirraSorry :)
03:33:47godzirraI'm learning Ruby on Rails for now.
03:33:59godzirraWhich doesn't help you at all.
03:34:02godzirraBut I felt like telling you anyways. :)
03:34:10myzar(shhh. i'm trying to cheer you up!)
03:34:25myzarlearn some large database
03:34:29myzarthat's always useful
03:34:36godzirraMysql and Postgres work great.
03:34:42godzirraI don't -want- to have to work with something else.
03:35:01myzarPOST HASTE
03:35:12myzarDO IT OR ELSE
03:35:15godzirraI'm not strong enough to carry the 372 O'Reilly books on oracle...
03:36:35myzarcarry one at a time
03:36:46myzarwithin the decade you'll learn at least a fourth of them
03:36:51myzarand at that point, i shall be pleased
03:37:50*godzirra just shoots myzar
03:37:56godzirraSorry... i'm an american. I always take the easy way out.
03:38:04myzarthe jokes on you
03:38:23godzirras'ok, I'm totally comfortable laughing at myself :)
03:38:23myzari know oracle so well i reprogrammed your bullet to be a new ipod
03:38:34myzarthe world is a large database programmed in oracle, silly
03:38:42myzarif you learn oracle, you will be a GOD
03:38:51godzirraok there matrix boy
03:39:02myzarpfft, matrix
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03:39:06godzirraAnyways, i'm off until tomorrow :)
03:39:07godzirralater folks
03:39:18dirt_is 80gb video considered 5g, does rockbox support these?
03:39:25godzirradirt_: 5.5g, and no, not quite yet.
03:39:34myzarwe have some hacks cobbled together dirt_
03:39:38godzirradirt_: But there are a lot of people working on it.
03:39:41myzarbut you need to have a minor in rocket science to attempt it
03:39:45dirt_ok i installed 5g bin onto the 5.5
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03:39:53dirt_how do i go back to orig state with linux
03:39:53godzirraI'd expect a breakthrough to happen shortly.
03:40:49dirt_so returning the 5.5 to orig state?
03:41:15dirt_ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin in windows does it i read
03:41:23dirt_would it be similar cmd with ipod_fw
03:42:18dirt_dd if=bootpartion.bin of=/dev/sda1
03:42:23dirt_will that do it
03:42:43sneakumsyes, where bootpartion.bin is your backed-up ipod firmware
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03:43:07dirt_glad i backed it up ;)
03:43:23dirt_thanks guys.. i'll check the page for any updates, gl! :)
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04:01:43afruff23slasheri, read this topic
04:02:01afruff23the "oneof" operator 128 byte patch is wrong
04:02:09afruff23could you please fix it?
04:02:20afruff23the correction patch is in that topic
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05:06:48Davide-NYCQuestion: Is there a way to have a boot menu on an iRIver H3x0?
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05:07:19Davide-NYCrather than do the button combos have a default timer countdown or a button press.
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05:08:21sniper6_2004hi people
05:08:51sniper6_2004im a noob here and i need help i have a video ipod that i want to install rockbox on but have no clue how to do it
05:09:13sniper6_2004anybody here?
05:09:16myzarhow new is it sniper6_2004
05:09:43Davide-NYCwhat OS do you use?
05:10:02sniper6_2004just call me izzy and i dont know what generation it is but its a 30 gig vid ipod and im on windows xp
05:10:26sniper6_2004ive read the manual and i get lost on it
05:10:34sniper6_2004i dont get the command part
05:10:48sniper6_2004i hae the boot loader and the program but i am clueless as to what im doing
05:11:11Davide-NYCslow down and go step by step. I do not have an iPod so can only be of limited help
05:11:29sniper6_2004im just trying to install this firmware
05:12:08myzarhow new is this
05:12:15myzaris it a brand new ipod?
05:12:15sniper6_2004how new is what now?
05:12:19myzarthe ipod!
05:12:23sniper6_2004no not at all
05:12:30myzarso it's a 30 gigabyte ipod
05:12:36myzarit's a 5g i take it
05:12:39sniper6_2004its probably about 6 months old and its a video ipod
05:12:39myzaris it black or white?
05:12:50myzarso it's a 5g ipod 30gb
05:12:51sniper6_2004white, frost white
05:12:57myzarthen there are no problems
05:13:01myzarinstallation is quite simple
05:13:04myzarfollow the guide
05:13:11Davide-NYCDo you know how to open a command prompt?
05:13:19myzarit's quite easy
05:13:21myzarfollow it line by line
05:13:38sniper6_2004i type command in the run icon in my start menu
05:13:44myzaryes, cmd
05:13:45myzarnot command
05:13:50Davide-NYCmyzar: slow down a bit
05:14:06Davide-NYCsniper you type "cmd" into the run line
05:14:07myzarslow what down.
05:14:15Davide-NYCthat will open a command prompt
05:14:21Davide-NYCor a terminal window
05:14:32Davide-NYCwith a command prompt in it
05:14:32sniper6_2004hoe do i open a terminal window?
05:14:42myzarthat is how you open it sniper6_2004
05:14:49myzarbottom left, start menu button
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05:14:51myzargo to run
05:14:54myzarand type cmd
05:14:54*Davide-NYC that what I thought, now we're running at the right speed.
05:15:00myzarit opens a black window
05:15:18sniper6_2004my run icon is gone
05:15:38sniper6_2004here lemme locate it its not in my start menu
05:16:29Davide-NYCsniprer read this and come back
05:16:48Davide-NYCor any other cmd.exe tutorial that suites your reading/learning style.
05:17:23Davide-NYCat the very least you need to know how to change directories and type. Past that is unnecessary
05:17:33Davide-NYCshould be quick reading/learning
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05:23:29esyhey is it really hard to install rockbox on a 5g, how time would it take?
05:24:26Davide-NYCdo you mean how *much* time?
05:24:33sniper6_2004hmm i think im gonna go get the other laptop to work on
05:24:35esyi was typing fast
05:24:45sniper6_2004mine wont even opent he control alt delete window
05:24:57Paul_the_Nerdesy: I can install it on a 5G in less than a minute.
05:25:22Paul_the_NerdFollowing the instructions, as long as you pay attention, it shouldn't take more than 5-10, and that's taking your time.
05:25:38esyfrom a mac or windows?
05:25:42Davide-NYCI can agree with that based on what I'm reading
05:25:47esyb/c i know that you have to convert the HD to fat32
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05:25:58Paul_the_Nerdesy: Well the conversion can take a little more time.
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05:26:13esytrue say, I'm going to take care of it tonight
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05:26:19esythanks alot
05:26:21Davide-NYCah, now we're talking backup, then format then install now we're up to I'd say the hour mark?
05:26:29Davide-NYCpaul, you agree?
05:26:53esyI just bought the sucker, so there's no need to backup
05:27:13Paul_the_NerdSo, it really depends on how long it takes you to reformat
05:27:21Paul_the_NerdThe installation steps are quite quick, but that's dependent upon your computer.
05:27:31Paul_the_NerdBut that's not exactly something that requires you to stand around and do something
05:27:37esydo you think that it would be faster for me to do it on a windows system
05:27:57esyor do you mean by processor speed?
05:28:02Davide-NYCHey Paul, is there a boot menu patch for easier choosing of whether to boot OF or RB on an H3x0?
05:28:27Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: Nope. We don't really see any reason to have a menu, and I don't think anyone else has felt the need strongly enough to risk bricking one during development
05:28:44sniper6_2004ok im gonna get my flash drive brb
05:28:57Paul_the_Nerdesy: Mostly computer speed. On a windows system it's a bit easier since you can just destroy the partition then have the Apple tool restore it.
05:29:25esyok thanks alot appreciete it
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05:34:06Davide-NYCIs there a concensus that the H300 bootloader (v5) is the final revision? Or is a v6 in the works (or at least envisioned)?
05:34:21sniper6_2004ok im all set up now
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05:35:28aliaskDavide-NYC: v6 is certainly in the works.
05:35:43aliaskWell, envisioned
05:35:54Davide-NYCwhat is it envisioned to address?
05:35:56aliaskI'm not sure how much LinusN has done, but it's reasonably low priority.
05:36:16aliaskPower insert will be RB handled, RTC alarm function, at least those two.
05:36:20aliaskI don't think we'll get a menu.
05:36:40Davide-NYCmenu is candy, the charging is necessary
05:36:51Davide-NYCplease explain RTC alarm
05:37:08Davide-NYCwake on RTC event
05:37:10Davide-NYCgot it
05:37:13aliaskRTC = Realtime Clock. ie. You can set an alarm for your player and it will turn on at that time, and yeah.
05:37:22Davide-NYCtook me a sec
05:37:32Davide-NYC(get it?, a sec? haha)
05:37:43aliaskYou're a joker you are.
05:37:46*Davide-NYC knows he's not funny
05:37:57aliaskI make worse jokes and expect them to be laughed at :)
05:38:17Davide-NYCI just make 'em and duck
05:38:28*Davide-NYC ducks
05:39:20JdGordonanyone know anythig about tv tuners and linux?
05:39:57sniper6_2004ok well i have the command prompt open what now?
05:40:16aliaskJdGordon: MythTV has a good wiki on the topic.
05:40:35JdGordonim really after weather or not i can easily invert the colour on certain channels :D
05:41:06Davide-NYCsniper: follow the instruction in the wiki
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05:41:33Davide-NYCplease trust that specifics questions will be answered but that no one will hold your hand through the whole process
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05:43:11Davide-NYCjhMikeS: you around?
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05:54:44sniper6_2004ok im trying out the ipodpatcher part in the command prompt and get no results
05:54:59sniper6_2004what could be wrong?
05:55:08myzarany error messages?
05:55:56Paul_the_Nerd"no results" is very strange, as it should always say *something* be it error message or success message.
05:56:09myzaror something.
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06:04:28Davide-NYCIdea: shouldn't the Iriver Installation topic be divided into H1x0/H3x0 and H10(portalplayer) sections?
06:04:47Davide-NYCcoldfire/PP divide
06:05:00Paul_the_NerdIt's old, and the H10 port is now.
06:05:09Paul_the_NerdNobody related to the H10 port seems to have bothered with improving it.
06:05:18Paul_the_NerdAnd nobody with the iRiver port really goes back there these days.
06:05:51Davide-NYCSo that forum section will slowly be usurped by H10 queries?
06:05:57Davide-NYCTHat makes sense I guess.
06:07:00Paul_the_NerdWhat we really need is division by installation process, but there's not really a way to do that yet either.
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06:07:28Paul_the_NerdSince outside of (Archos) (H100/300) and (iPod) the remaining installation processes don't fall into categories
06:08:53Paul_the_NerdReally the H10 and iAudio installation processes, once bootloader merging is possible, could be included in the H100/H300 installation process if they were simply made to use the fwpatcher tool.
06:10:16Davide-NYCI'm not familiar enough with the H10 and X5 installation procedures to follow exactly what you're saying but I get the gist.
06:10:25Paul_the_NerdI believe
06:10:59Paul_the_NerdBasically, all of the installation patterns for H10, H100, H300, and X5 would be "patch your firmware, and then follow the official firmware upgrade procedure" I believe.
06:11:24Davide-NYCand currently it is not so.
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06:12:53Paul_the_NerdNot yet.
06:13:04Paul_the_NerdJust because neither the H10 nor the X5 have you patch the firmware, so no dual boot
06:13:25Davide-NYCIs fwpatcher for the H1x- and H3x0 the same file?
06:14:27Davide-NYCcurrently they are not. shouldn;t they have differing filenames to avoid potential confusion?
06:14:47Davide-NYCH1x0.fwpatcher.exe for example?
06:15:08Paul_the_NerdThere's only one fwpatcher.exe
06:15:13Paul_the_NerdWhere are you seeing multiple of them?
06:15:29Davide-NYCI did a binary file comparison
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06:16:05Davide-NYClet me try again. I may have been using an old file in the H1x0 directory
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06:19:54Davide-NYChmm. now I'm worried. I have (and used) a version of fwpatcher.exe that differs from the current hosted version.
06:20:08Davide-NYC(for my H1x0)
06:20:18Davide-NYCthe rockbox bootloader is v6
06:20:38Davide-NYCdo I need to re-patch and re-flash with this version of the fwpatcher?
06:20:48*Davide-NYC paranoid
06:21:26Davide-NYCthe old file was from dec 2005
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06:26:26Paul_the_NerdNo, if you're using bootloader v6 then you're fine.
06:28:18Davide-NYCSo the resultant ihp_120.hex file is the same regardless of whether I use a dec 2005 fwpatcher or the current one, right?
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06:28:50Paul_the_NerdWhere is this new one?
06:29:52Paul_the_NerdI only see one version of fwpatcher at the Iriverboot page, that says it's for both H100 and H300.
06:30:05Paul_the_NerdThe date on it is newer, probably because it was reattached right after the attack that wiped our wiki
06:34:25Davide-NYCI have one from dec 2005 that is not the same. I did a binary file comparison
06:34:45Davide-NYCthat the one I used to patch the OF on my H1x0
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06:36:14sniper6_2004i wonder if i could find someone in chicago that could help me out with rockbox
06:37:42Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: Yes, but it may have had a different H300 bootloader included back then.
06:38:16Paul_the_Nerdsniper6_2004: Seriously, if you actually paid attention when people asked you questions maybe you'd get help
06:38:49Davide-NYCPaul_the_Nerd: that's what I suspect as well. H300 development changes the file. So I should just chuck the old file and no need to re-patch&re-flash.
06:39:07sniper6_2004oh well ive been multitasking alot working on 2 pc's trying to get results i got lost sorry
06:39:11Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: If the bootloader version number hasn't changed, the bootloader hasn't changed.
06:39:49Paul_the_Nerdsniper6_2004: Well, if you don't want our help, don't ask in here. If you do, actually check to see if people respond to what you say instead of vanishing for 40 minutes. It's rather impolite to ask for help and then ignore it.
06:40:23sniper6_2004ipod patcher is not recognized as an internal or external command
06:40:52sniper6_2004thats what i get
06:40:58sniper6_2004in the command prompt
06:42:00Davide-NYCis the wiki down?
06:42:04Davide-NYCor is it just me?
06:42:34Davide-NYCthis page is down
06:43:52Davide-NYCdid you downlaod the ipodpatcher.exe file into the rockbox folder?
06:44:25jhMikeSDavide-NYC: sort of around...
06:44:32Paul_the_Nerdsniper6_2004: Did you download the file?
06:44:38sniper6_2004i have it
06:44:51Paul_the_Nerdsniper6_2004: And you've changed directories to that folder in cmd?
06:45:01sniper6_2004that's where im lost
06:45:33sniper6_2004well i downloaded the patch file and i dont know what to do with it
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06:47:14sniper6_2004im lost on how to change the directory
06:47:29Paul_the_NerdSomeone linked you a tutorial on how to use the command prompt.
06:47:48sniper6_2004yeah i read that im using the command prompt
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06:48:09Paul_the_NerdAnd the tutorial didn't cover how to cd?
06:48:38Davide-NYCit does
06:48:52Davide-NYCsniper6_2004: you have to read, you have to try
06:49:18Paul_the_Nerdsniper6_2004: Did you actually *read* the tutorial?
06:49:34Davide-NYCto figure out how to use a command in the windows terminal type "/?" without quotes after the command you want to know about
06:50:13Davide-NYCfor example to learn how to use the "change directory" command (CD) type "cd /?" in the command prompt.
06:50:29Davide-NYC~~then hit the "enter" key
06:50:41*Davide-NYC one more then ignore
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07:00:46Black-SythHey everyone, I don't want to be a bother, but I have some newb-ish questions about rockbox.
07:01:37Davide-NYCgood night all
07:01:53Paul_the_NerdDepending on what your questions are you may or may not simply be referenced to the manual or other documentation, but feel free to ask
07:01:58Davide-NYCBlack-Syth: ask something specific or you'll get silence
07:02:12Davide-NYChaha −− there it is ^^
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07:02:25Black-SythTo get the most frivolous of the few, where can I download a solid copy of RockBoy?
07:02:33Black-SythI can handle roms.
07:02:46Paul_the_NerdIt's included.
07:03:05Black-SythIncluded? It should be listed in the Browse Plugins?
07:03:11Paul_the_NerdNo, it shouldn't be.
07:03:12Paul_the_NerdIt's a viewer.
07:03:24Paul_the_NerdThis is covered in the PluginRockboy wiki page, and probably its section in the manual
07:03:39Black-Syth... and here is the manual documentation.
07:03:51Black-SythI'll take a look.
07:03:53Black-SythI'll be back.
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07:07:02sniper6_2004yay i got a response
07:07:24sniper6_2004so it says the rive is not an ipod aboring what can i do about that?
07:09:13sniper6_2004what can i do to help that?
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07:09:22sniper6_2004i routed to the folder that the patcher is in
07:09:31sniper6_2004and found the patcher but what now?
07:09:41sniper6_2004it doesnt really specify in the manal
07:09:47Black-SythIt seems to me that the wiki page for pluginrockboy is a tad lackluster.
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07:10:10Black-SythI'll look around some more, if I can't find anything, I'll be back.
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07:10:21sniper6_2004is there a way to make the pc recognize the ipod as a drive?
07:10:37aliaskBlack-Syth: A good opportunity for you to help out.
07:10:56aliasksniper6_2004: It's an option in iTunes
07:11:29sniper6_2004oh i need itunes?
07:11:34sniper6_2004i didnt know that
07:12:01aliaskWell, you shouldn't, but if it's not turning up as a drive, then you'll have to use it to do that one thing.
07:12:16sniper6_2004well it shows up on my pc
07:12:28sniper6_2004do i have to move the patcher into the ipod?
07:12:47aliaskHang on, so it turns up or not?
07:13:08sniper6_2004well on mycomputer it is recognized but the command prompt doesnt recognize a drive
07:13:22sniper6_2004well an ipod
07:13:45aliaskYou don't need to go onto the iPod drive at any stage in the cmd prompt.
07:13:57aliaskHave you read the instructions?
07:14:13sniper6_2004well i got the drive is not an ipod aborting response
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07:14:19Black-SythOkay, sorry.
07:14:30Black-SythI just need to know how to install and execute roms for RockBoy.
07:14:34aliasksniper6_2004: Ok, I'll take that as a no.
07:14:43Black-SythI might be looking poorly, but I can't really find much.
07:15:06sniper6_2004well ive got the instructions open and im reading but its a tad confusing
07:15:10aliaskBlack-Syth: Put them on your player and "click" on them.
07:15:12sniper6_2004sorry im a moron when it comes to this
07:15:24sniper6_2004on my ipod?
07:16:10aliasksniper6_2004: Look at Step 1b) on
07:16:32sniper6_2004ok i got it
07:16:36sniper6_2004i got it i got it
07:16:55sniper6_2004its been recognized
07:16:58Black-SythWell, where do I place the roms?
07:17:21Black-SythOh. It's that simple?
07:17:33Black-SythThanks a bunch.
07:17:43Black-SythI feel completely foolish.
07:17:52Black-SythPeace out.
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07:18:59sniper6_2004ok now im moving along
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07:32:05sniper6_2004ok i now have rockbox running succesfully how do i acces my music?
07:33:14aliaskCopy the mp3 (or whatever) files over to the player, and then play them by selecting them.
07:34:04sniper6_2004ok sweet thanks!
07:34:21aliaskI strongly suggest you read the manual in full.
07:34:32sniper6_2004yeah im working on it
07:34:47aliaskGoodo. Enjoy rockbox.
07:36:05sniper6_2004do i drag and drop my music into the main folder?
07:36:14aliaskWhat main folder?
07:36:36sniper6_2004well where do i put my music?
07:37:31aliaskOn the iPod drive.
07:37:42sniper6_2004well can i drag and drop it in?
07:37:49aliaskIf you feel like it.
07:38:05sniper6_2004is it okay if its in folders seperating albums?
07:38:17sniper6_2004since it is a file browser?
07:38:25aliaskYes, that's fine. You can have as many folders as you like.
07:39:11sniper6_2004ok its now in the works
07:39:13sniper6_2004thank you
07:39:34sniper6_2004sorry for the hounding with questions you've been a really great help
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07:43:49Black-SythLast question.
07:43:57Black-SythIt says that the "record button" is the start button for rockboy.
07:44:05Black-SythWhat the hell is the record button on the iPod?
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07:45:27sniper6_2004well thanks again aliask you've been a great help im gonna sign off for now and tinker some
07:45:38aliasksniper6_2004: Well good luck with it all
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07:45:50sniper6_2004alright, thanks goodnight
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07:45:57aliaskBlack-Syth: There is no record button on the iPod, I guess the documentation is out of date
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07:46:41Black-SythOr, at least what should I do with the button layout.
07:47:04aliaskHang on, I'm looking in the code to see what button it is.
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07:52:31aliaskBlack-Syth: Erm, from what I can see, it doesn't look like rockboy works on the iPods... but I think that must be wrong.
07:52:53Black-SythYeah, I've gotten it to work, but there aren't enough buttons, really.
07:52:55Black-SythI guess.
07:53:28Black-SythI wonder if you can program combo buttons.
07:53:34Black-SythLike, play + something is this.
07:53:35aliaskYeah, you can.
07:53:44Black-SythLemme try this.
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07:57:53Black-SythWell, it works but it sucks.
07:58:00Black-SythI can't wait for this to get better, though.
07:58:12Black-SythLooks like it's got a lot of potential.
07:58:30Black-SythI've got Donkey Kong Country running right now, it's running like crap, and the buttons are hard to figure out.
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07:59:06aliaskYeah, it certainly isn't running realtime yet, and I think the fact that iPods have so few buttons to begin with will make getting the buttons worked out hard.
07:59:47Black-SythYeah, still nifty.
07:59:53Black-SythI'm sure I'll find some use for it.
08:00:04Black-SythOh, can I get video onto rockbox without Linux?
08:00:34aliaskSure, but you need to convert the video
08:00:39aliaskAnd there's no sound.
08:01:06Black-SythI'll pass.
08:01:21aliaskYou can grab one from here:
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08:01:42Black-SythYeah, but it's worthless to me if there's no sound.
08:02:02aliaskYeah, it's novelty factor status only at the moment.
08:02:35Black-SythFor sure.
08:02:40Black-SythRockDoom is rocking my socks though.
08:03:01Black-SythI've got one of those FM transmitters, and you can hear yourself play on your car stereo.
08:03:03aliaskI've clocked doom shareware on it, so it's definitely playable.
08:03:13aliaskHaha, awesome
08:03:22Black-SythGiven, it's only doom, but doom is entertaining, and the controls are actually alright.
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08:04:08myzarweirdo :D
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08:04:31Black-SythWhat else is super nifty for an iPod?
08:05:05aliaskCustomisable WPS screens... a few games...
08:05:22myzarrockbox is nifty
08:05:27Black-SythHmmm... screen savers maybe?
08:05:40aliaskNo screensavers.
08:06:18myzarthere already is such a thing as screensavers
08:06:21myzarfor the video ipod
08:06:28myzarafter 2 min, it loops a video file
08:06:30myzari found it on google
08:06:40aliaskYeah, the Demo folder trick, kinda cool
08:07:33Black-SythWell, nevermind, thanks a bunch guys.
08:07:37aliask5g ipods check for a video file in a particular place, and loop it as a screensaver after 2 mins.
08:07:39Black-SythI'm working on making this thing pretty cool.
08:07:46Black-SythI'll be in here once in a while, see you around.
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08:27:54sneakumshmm, on my 80G ipod the first half of the ATA init just ends up inl'ing and outl'ing 0xC3000028 twice, because the bits it's trying to change are already set or unset
08:28:29sneakumsata_device_init, that is
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09:05:36*petur just had music skipping three times during a 15 minute bikeride (mp3 320kbps VBR)
09:07:27pondlifeBack now
09:07:53webguest73pondlife: reg. FS #6145 (semitone pitch): we cannot have pitch offset since it's the same "dimension". I.e. you can start at 100.0% and make semitone steps. Or you can pitch to e.g. 101.2% in normal mode and then toggle the mode and make semitone steps. So there are no "fixed" semitone levels.
09:08:33pondlifeI was thinking you could have a pitch offset measured in semitones as well as the variable pitch.
09:08:59pondlifeWould it not be possible to calcualate the effective % on the fly? The user would only see a % of course...
09:09:10pondlifeBut it would let you get back to 100%
09:10:27webguest73pondlife: with the last patch, we already get back exactly at 100.0%
09:11:28pondlifeOK, don't worry then...
09:11:36pondlife'twas just a thought
09:13:48webguest73pondlife: OK, I'm relaxed :-)
09:14:41*dan_a listens to an MP3 on an iPod, with peakmeters but no skipping
09:15:01Paul_the_NerdI've done that before.
09:15:12Paul_the_NerdBut the Nano was a little less sensitive to them.
09:15:28dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: I've never listened to an MP3 without skipping on Rockbox
09:15:36Paul_the_NerdDon't you have a 3G?
09:15:45Paul_the_NerdWhich is like... the worst you can get.
09:15:54Paul_the_NerdDid you do something to make it work now?
09:16:26dan_aI've got the codec thread running on the second processor, without turning the cache off
09:16:42*dan_a does a little dance
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09:17:07Paul_the_NerdAnd I take it it's a significant improvement?
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09:17:39Paul_the_NerdDoes it boost and unboost the cores in sync, or is it just permanently clocked at full speed right now?
09:17:46dan_aMP3s would skip about once every 5 seconds with peakmeters before
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09:18:01dan_aI've not worked out how the boosting will be working
09:18:11dan_aI suspect it's incorrect, though
09:21:32dan_aTime for work
09:22:36Bagderoh, openneo commits
09:22:49Bagder"Added replaygain support"
09:23:30Paul_the_NerdMy understanding was that the 2nd core can never be faster than the first one.
09:23:33Bagder"Added APE tag parsing"
09:24:36Paul_the_NerdIf this is true, wouldn't it be better for the second core to be the "main" core for UI stuff, left at whatever speed is appropriate, and the first one then boosts and unboosted for codec stuff?
09:25:12aliaskPaul_the_Nerd: I think they are both scaled at the same time.
09:25:26aliaskIe. They always have the same clock.
09:25:44Paul_the_Nerdaliask: I remember someone telling me they could be scaled independently but core 2 couldn't be faster than core 1, or something.
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09:26:11aliaskBy no means take what I say as definite, I don't really remember, but that's the way I thought it was.
09:26:23Paul_the_NerdWell, I could very very easily be wrong as well. ;)
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09:39:45dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: I've heard that about the clocking, but I'm not sure if anybody knows how to do it
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09:40:12dan_aAnd I think I agree about running the UI on the COP
09:40:18sneakumsi like how th forum preview correctly escapes < and >, but the forum itself doesn't
09:40:34bluebrotherdo we have something to check if a file is existent?
09:40:39bluebrotherlike is_file in php?
09:41:37Bagderbluebrother: you can open() or filesize() it
09:41:55bluebrotherdo I need a fd for filesize?
09:42:03Bagderah yes
09:42:17bluebrotherI found an ineffiency in theme loading but I was hoping I don't need to open the file
09:42:57bluebrotherwhen loading themes from the "Browse Themes" menu the wps is loaded twice. Pretty inefficient for wps with a lot of images
09:43:33Paul_the_Nerdsneakums: Yes, I would like to fix that but I haven't found a good (read "Lazy enough for me") way yet.
09:45:18sneakumsso far on the 80G ATA thing i've come up with: the value of the configuration register is 0x20150020 - no idea if that's significant
09:45:50sneakumsand ata_read_sectors gets into copy_read_sectors before it hangs
09:47:10bluebrotheris 0 a valid file descriptor number?
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09:50:41sneakumshmm, actually i didn't instrument some branches...
09:50:44*sneakums rebuilds
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09:54:49sneakumsthe hard reset sequence isn't working
09:55:13sneakumshad to do it a few times
09:55:51sneakumsalso i was wrong, it seems copy_read_sectors is failing, and it's hanging in perform_soft_reset
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09:58:06sneakumsit seems copy_read_sectors is returning STATUS_ERR
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10:04:47sneakumsone of the SET_REG calls inside perform_soft_reset must be hanging, because it doesn't get as far as the wait_for_rdy loop
10:11:04sneakumsperform_soft_reset seems to be hanging in sleep()
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10:16:45daurnimatorimg, its JdGordon
10:17:08JdGordontis I!
10:17:12JdGordonwith a new toy
10:17:21daurnimatora wrist?
10:17:32JdGordona tv card
10:18:18JdGordoncept, i lost my rabbit ears, so i have to find someone elses set before i can get it giong properly :'( (gonna move it downstairs and connect it to the optus cable soon)
10:18:23JdGordonnope, cheapy analog
10:18:55daurnimatoryou suck!
10:19:05daurnimatoroptus... ew
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10:26:52LinusNbluebrother: if the wps loading patch works, i think you should commit it
10:27:07sneakumsi misspoke slightly: copy_read_sectors doesn't return anything (it's void), but status & STATUS_ERR is true
10:28:55bluebrotherLinusN, it works for me −− but I haven't tested on other devices than my player, so I decided to make it a patch first
10:29:21LinusNthe same code is used for all models, so i don't think there would be any problems
10:29:35bluebrotherbut as it works for me I can commit it and wait for bugs later :)
10:29:55bluebrotherthen I'll go for it
10:30:39pondlifeAny brave souls want to try a radical playback patch?
10:30:53pondlifeTake 1 is up at - scroll down a bit
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10:31:26pondlifeSlasheri: you were looking for this, maybe...;)
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10:33:38LinusNpondlife: what is to test? looks like it solves one bug and creates 3 new ones
10:34:19pondlifeIt simplifies playback lots. It only creates one new bug, the others are already in existence in some form
10:34:46pondlifeIt's a work in progress - any feedback welcome.
10:35:34pondlifeI hope to fix the rewind problem soon, but Real Life means it won't probably be today
10:36:48pondlifeIt ,may also fix the "white noise" issue, but I've not been ablke to repro that, so can't really say
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10:48:51dan_aDamn - I'm still getting some playback skips even with the codec thread on the coprocessor
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10:56:03linuxstbdan_a: Nice work getting the COP running. How have you dealt with the cache?
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10:59:46dan_alinuxstb: For now I've just put everything I need to in IRAM, but I plan to do proper flushing/invalidating
11:00:59dan_aI found something that I'd missed on the PP502X code last time, too - so this patch might work for you
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11:02:29linuxstbdan_a: OK, I'll try and find time to try it. What was missing?
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11:03:55dan_aI had some of the magic in system.c just being performed by the CPU for the PP5002, but by both processors for the 5020
11:04:10linuxstbIs anyone with a Nano around?
11:04:22linuxstbdan_a: I'm about to try it now.
11:04:39dan_aThanks :)
11:07:48*Paul_the_Nerd is around
11:08:11Paul_the_NerdI'm incapable of making builds on this machine at the moment, but I can probably dig up my Nano and cable if I'm needed to test something
11:08:29linuxstbI just want you to go into diagnostics mode and see if you can see a "line-in" test.
11:09:10linuxstbSee the last comment here:
11:09:28Paul_the_Nerdlinuxstb: There is a test entitled "LineIn" in it yes
11:09:48linuxstbAny idea what it's doing? i.e. could it be line-in recording?
11:10:01Paul_the_NerdIf you select it though, it says "Press Action" then "MENU to continue" and that is all
11:11:03Paul_the_NerdI don't know if it even tests anything, or if they just loaded the same diagnostics code because they were lazy.
11:11:42linuxstbOn the 2nd Gen nano, there's a recording test that records and then plays back a short (about 1 second) clip of audio from the line-in.
11:12:10linuxstbSo it sounds like the 1st gen nano test isn't the same as that.
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11:12:43Paul_the_NerdHm. On this one, as soon as you select the test it asks you to press action, then immediately says to press MENU. There's no sort of delay.
11:13:49Paul_the_NerdI wouldn't know how to find out if it's actually doing anything.
11:15:12bluewormsneakums are you running the DrMoreau patch when the 80Gb hangs on boot?
11:15:52dj-fuyou still need someone with a nano?
11:15:54dj-fuI have a 1st gen 4gb
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11:18:40linuxstbdan_a: Should I be seeing a main thread running on the COP in the View OS Stacks debug menu?
11:18:53dan_alinuxstb: You should
11:19:29linuxstbI don't :(
11:20:58dan_aOh, swearwords.
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11:22:32dan_aThe COP must be hanging at some point before it runs init_threads()
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11:28:52dan_alinuxstb: in firmware/system.c, try adding "COP_INT_EN |= TIMER1_MASK" in set_cpu_frequency after "CPU_INT_EN |= TIMER1_MASK"
11:29:26linuxstbdan_a: I think your Sansa commit broke the H10 bootloader build (even though it's green in the build table).
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11:32:26dan_alinuxstb: What makes you say that?
11:34:24linuxstbErr, the build log?
11:34:51linuxstbPlus I know that they need crt0-pp.o included.
11:39:43sneakumsblueworm: no, no patch
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11:42:50linuxstbdan_a: The Sansa bootloader also gives the same warning as the H10 bootloader now. All that patch did was to make the bootloader not use crt0-pp.S - i.e. it's not linked into the bootloader any more. Looking at bootloader/, execution now just starts directly at the main() function in bootloader/e200.c
11:43:53linuxstbSo it looks like the Sansa was freezing somewhere in crt0-pp.S - which needs to be fixed, rather than avoided...
11:45:05bluewormI get the you need to recover with itunes message if I dont use the patch.
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11:46:24sneakumsblueworm: i am using the ipod_fw patch, but no patch to rockbox itself
11:46:41bluewormthats what I meant
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11:47:01sneakumsno worries
11:47:43bluewormIs the patch still as is, or have you changed anything?
11:48:09sneakumsnot a thing
11:49:14sneakumsthat is, no changes
11:49:37bluewormI also tried building my own bootloader.bin patching the ipod_fw.c in the ../tools dir ... no dice.
11:50:38sneakumsusing the bootloader from the IpodBoot wiki page and the patched ipod_fw, i got the same hang - four lines of info and then nothing
11:51:07linuxstbWhat's the last line displayed?
11:51:08dan_alinuxstb: So all those "#if(n)def BOOTLOADER" for iPod in crt0-pp.S aren't necessary?
11:51:16sneakumsthe disk model
11:51:20bluewormsounds familiar ;)
11:52:30linuxstbdan_a: Yes, they are necessary. The difference is that the ipod bootloader references symbols in crt0-pp.S, so the linker includes it automatically, so it shouldn't be manually included in
11:52:43bluewormcant remember brb
11:53:13linuxstbdan_a: But all other bootloaders need it manually included - hence the #ifndef IPOD_ARCH.
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11:53:51dan_alinuxstb: Ah, I understand now
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11:59:39linuxstbsneakums: You could try changing disk_mount() to hard-code the partition Rockbox is using - maybe the probing is causing the problem.
11:59:51linuxstb(in firmware/common/disk.c)
12:00:20sneakumslinuxstb: the hang seems to be happening when it tries to read the MBR
12:00:22bluewormIPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF\n TOSHIBA MK8010GAH\n
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12:00:36sneakumslinuxstb: i posted some details to rockbox-dev
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12:02:58linuxstbsneakums: OK, I didn't see that....
12:03:30sneakumsit's the very first disk read it tries to do; amiconn suggests that the ata init may be at fault
12:03:45sneakumsbut beyond dumping the contents of the status register i have on idea how to debug that further
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12:57:08Jorisleemi have a quastion
12:57:35Jorisleemi have a ipod Gen3, is there a a way to fix the buffer underun?
12:58:05Jorisleemevery serval seconds the music stops that drive's me nuts
12:58:22dan_aJorisleem: When you are playing music, press "menu" to go back to the menu, and that makes it a lot better
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12:58:45dan_aWe are working on a proper solution
12:58:56Jorisleemoohw oke i trie it now
13:00:19Jorisleemand the menu is Very slow
13:00:32Jorisleembecuase the buffer underuns ore not?
13:01:32dan_aThat is because it is trying not to underrun
13:02:09Jorisleemif i stay in the menu it is better but in 1 min he does it 3 times ore something:P
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13:03:19Jorisleem(this is always better than ipodlinux beacuase ipodlinux does it 2 time in 1 SEC!)
13:03:53Bagderbetter is not always good enough ;-)
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13:04:24Jorisleemoke but whay is the buffer underun only on the ipod g3?
13:04:40linuxstbIt has a slower CPU than the later ipods.
13:05:04Jorisleemoke but whay does the normal firmware play the songs good
13:05:34Jorisleemand the g1 and g2 they have slower cpu than the g3 isn't?
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13:06:20linuxstbBecause the Apple firmware isn't Rockbox. We use different decoders in a different way, and it just isn't optimised enough for the 3g yet.
13:06:45linuxstbThe 1g, 2g, and 3g all have the same CPU.
13:06:49Jorisleemohw oke that sounds logix
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13:09:33Jorisleemwhen is the buffer underun fixed? do you think in a couple of weeks ore months ore years?
13:09:55dan_aJorisleem: We can't say.
13:10:02Jorisleemoohw ok:)
13:10:19Jorisleemkeep up the great work guys:D
13:10:29Jorisleemi think the rockbox Rocks!
13:10:40dan_aI have a 3g, and I'm trying to fix it, but I can't say when I will get it right
13:11:03Jorisleemok no problem:)
13:11:25JorisleemI think it is great you working on the problem
13:11:39Jorisleemand if i take months i realy dont care
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13:11:46Jorisleemyou tried it to fix
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13:41:59daurnimatorTHAT was a crap movie
13:42:08daurnimatordo NOT goto see "Kenny"
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13:59:33aliaskhahaha get it! CRAP MOVIE
13:59:37aliaskI actually quite liked it.
14:00:02*aliask runs
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14:08:56daurnimatorhow the fuck did you like it
14:09:12daurnimatorit was following a plumber around for a couple of hours
14:09:20daurnimatornothing strange :S
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14:10:47aliaskI dunno, it was funny, and you could really relate to him, in obscure ways...
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14:46:28daurnimatori just thought it was a bad movie
14:47:47aliaskI don't have a problem with that.
14:48:10daurnimatordo you have lua?
14:48:33aliaskThe programming language?
14:48:41daurnimatoran interpreter
14:49:06aliaskWell no... I don't have a PSP or anything that uses it.
14:49:17daurnimator... a computer?
14:49:31aliaskOr any desire to bother with it.
14:49:44aliaskWhy do you ask?
14:49:51daurnimatori need somthing tested
14:49:58daurnimatorno one around in any channels
14:50:24aliaskLink me up and I'll give it a quick run
14:51:02daurnimatortakes some effort to get correct librarys installed
14:51:09Bagdervery pascal-like it is
14:51:17aliaskOk, and as you probably guessed, I cbf at this time of night.
14:51:24daurnimatoraliask: yep
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14:51:33daurnimatorBagder: very easy to use language it is
14:51:40BagderI don't like it
14:51:50Bagderbut sure, it might be easy to use
14:52:24BagderI don't like pascal syntax
14:52:31aliaskGrrr. Is there any way to see what process is using a file in Windows?
14:52:32daurnimatorwhy don't you like it?
14:52:43PaulJamSlasheri: there seems to be a problem with switching to tagcache view via the quick menu while being in the wps. sometimes rockbox freezes when you then try to enter the tagcache view by pressing select/navi. i have experienced this on a h300 (but with a patched build) and in the uisimulator (with clean cvs source). if i enter the filetree, and then swich to tagcache this does not happen.
14:52:48oboaliask: process explorer -
14:52:57aliaskAwesome, thanks obo
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14:53:39Bagderdaurnimator: too "talkative"
14:53:47daurnimatorhow so?
14:53:55Bagderdo/end for example
14:54:05daurnimatorah, i thought that as well at one point
14:54:15daurnimatorthen found that its only 4 words
14:54:19Bagderwell, its not a strong argument
14:54:26daurnimatoryou get used to it very fast
14:54:29BagderI don't really care, its not a language for me
14:55:21Bagderthe closest I get to lua, is luacurl which uses my lib ;-)
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14:56:06aliaskHah, only a bit biased there Bagder :)
14:56:46Bagderwell, libcurl is usable from >30 languages so its not a bias for or against lua really
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15:12:26daurnimatorBagder: you should add user lua scripting to rockbox ;)
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15:15:50BagderI should get my linux port to run
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15:47:40MadDog011Hm I was wondering on progress status of a H10 recorder
15:47:43MadDog011on rockbox
15:48:07MadDog011My classes are starting and I will want to record them, so I Was wondering if I will hafta revert to the old firmware for that
15:49:29linuxstbThere's a patch for h10 recording in the patch tracker.
15:50:22MadDog011is it working fine?
15:58:43MadDog011thanx dave :)
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16:12:01sublimalis there anyway to bind a key to the backlight for the ipod, the same way the apple os does (hold menu)?
16:12:29JdGordonflicking the hold swicth should turn on the backlight
16:14:07sublimalbut i would like a toggle button to turn it on off, without having to continually tamper with it
16:14:58linuxstbRockbox can't do that... Also, on the ipods, Rockbox is very short on spare buttons (i.e. there aren't any).
16:15:53sublimalthere is a set of options when you hold down the menu during the WPS, is this part of the wps or configurable?
16:16:18Rincewindit's build-in
16:16:20linuxstbThat's the "quick menu". It's not configurable.
16:16:54Rincewindyou could change keybindings if you edit and complile your own source
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16:20:30sublimali'll consider it
16:21:02sublimalis there any debug logs or ways to turn on debugging that will help troubleshoot the data abort error?
16:21:44JdGordonthe wonderfull .map file
16:22:14linuxstbsublimal: I assume you have a 4g ipod or 1st gen mini?
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16:22:46sublimal4g ipod grayscale
16:23:04linuxstbYou could try the cpufreq3.diff patch from here:
16:25:11sublimali'll try it tomorrow and report back
16:26:07linuxstbIt would be useful if you could post a comment to that task. It seems to work for me on my Photo (I did a 5 hour test without any freezes), but the person who's tested it on a 1st gen mini is still reporting freezes.
16:26:20linuxstb(and the author of the patch also has a Photo)
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16:58:35PaulJampondlife: there is still a problem with the new patch you posted at
17:00:00PaulJampondlife: i have tried it in the uisimulator for h300. settings were reset, and repeat set to off. the first album played fine, after it finished, i selected a different album...
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17:00:36pondlifeIt has a problem when the buffer wraps round, but I've not had any time to code today yet.
17:01:08PaulJam... the first tracks played fine, but the track track that was playing while the buffer was refilled was skipped to the next track while or after bufferin was complete
17:01:35pondlifeYes, that's the one I think. Did it play a part of the track, then just skip forward to the next one?
17:02:22pondlifeOK. There's a third problem where stop/play results in the WPS display and playback position being askew.
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17:08:09pondlifeI've added a comment, but no new code...
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17:11:59pondlifeThanks for testing
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17:16:18PaulJami'm not sure if this is related to the stop/play issue, but if you stop playback and enter the audio debug menu the codec buffer stays filled (without the patch it had a small negative number)
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17:29:10motshi, i have a problem with my iriver h340, maybe you guys could help me
17:29:23motsi just got it and wanted to put rockbox onto it
17:29:49motsbut i'm not able to mount it (both linux/windows)
17:30:42motsi connected it to my pc, but it only says "charging"
17:31:15motsdo I have to press any key or sth?
17:32:33motsi got it
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18:02:54anjo4g with daily build rockbox connecting via firewire & usb to xp & linux. do i have to reboot the ipod into disk mode every time i connect to a pc? no autodetect?
18:03:25linuxstbThere's no autodetect for firewire, but it should work for USB.
18:05:06anjoneither connection or OS autodetects the ipod unless it put it into disk mode first.
18:05:24anjoI put it*
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18:05:59anjoand when i disconnect it always says OK to disconnect but I need to reset to use the rockbox again
18:06:07anjounless it's a user error? me.
18:07:54linuxstbThere's not much scope for user error. If you insert a usb cable, Rockbox should detect it and reboot, unless you are holding MENU at the time.
18:08:03linuxstb(holding MENU prevents the reboot)
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18:33:40anjook, i changed builds and usb is now autodetected. thanks linuxstb
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18:38:40XavierGrwhich lame encoder should I use with EAC?
18:38:45XavierGr3.97 final?
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18:42:46dproXavierGr: I don't think it matters much, why not use oggenc anyway and enjoy the fresh breeze of freedom ;)
18:44:38XavierGrwell I'd rather stick to my old habbits
18:44:42XavierGreven if ogg is better
18:45:20dproyeah but there are still people out there who can't play them (like ipod owners without rb)
18:46:51PaulJamthe best would propably be to rip them into a lossles format and then transcode (and keep the lossless files). so you don't have to rerip if you want to change the format.
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18:48:31XavierGrwell that is not an option
18:48:50XavierGrI can't store all my music into a lossless format
18:49:13XavierGrand I am pretty sure that I can't tell the difference between the original and preset standard with lame
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18:50:27Rincewind_with eac you can use the latest beta lame.
18:50:50Rincewind_I encode with vbr v3 and I don't hear a difference
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18:52:19XavierGrnow I am completely confused!
18:53:04XavierGrEAC seems to change the bitrate if you change your selection, but I thought that alt-preset standard was a standard joint stereo vbr rip
18:53:08Rincewind_to say it simple: eac can use every version of lame, but the newest beta is the best (and it is stable enough)
18:53:20dproXavierGr: just use $ cdparanoia 1 -w - | flac - -o 1.flac # ;)
18:53:49XavierGrRincewind_: EAC has 2 options on compression tab, 1 for bitrate and another one for commandline on the encoder
18:54:04Rincewind_I use a custom commandline in eac. If you speak german you can find information on
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18:54:29XavierGrRincewind_: I thought that using the command line with -alt-preset standard was a specific setting that didn't had to do with bitrate
18:54:40Rincewind_if you want, I can send you my eac profile.
18:54:56XavierGrthanks but I have to run! I will figure this later
18:55:09XavierGr(fears that he ripped many mp3s the wrong way)
18:55:11Rincewind_alt-preset-standard ist depreceiated, btw
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18:55:26XavierGrdepreciated? you mean not good?
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18:57:04Rincewind_it's not bad, it's mapped internally to the right setting, but you get more predictable results if you us -v3 or -v2 (these are vbr levels)
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18:57:40Rincewind_this is my commandline: -V 3 −−vbr-new −−id3v2-only −−pad-id3v2 −−ignore-tag-errors −−tt "%t" −−ta "%a" −−tl "%g" −−ty "%y" −−tn "%n" −−tg "%m" %s %d
18:57:55XavierGrthanks but I have to run!
18:58:07Rincewind_the only important bits are -v3 −−vbr-new
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19:03:12Leariirc, −−alt-preset standard is the same as -V 2 in recent lame versions.
19:09:38preglowLear: so rockbox can play most aacs now?
19:10:09LearNot quite yet. Need the metadata.c patch too, which I'll commit soonish. :)
19:10:13preglowLear: most of this is code that will survive any swapping out of faad, yes?
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19:10:22LearHave some cleaning up to do...
19:10:40pixelmaand look at the build table ;)
19:10:50LearDepends on if the replacement comes with an MP4 file parsing.
19:10:57LearThat's the cleaning up I was refering to... :)
19:11:17LearAh, forgot to commit a file...
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19:17:34motshi, i just tried the experemental build by KOSH and the wps from the 24-bit-collection
19:17:55motsmy problem is: nearly all objects in the wps seem to be misplaced
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19:19:05motscould you guys maybe tell me how to fix that?
19:19:20linuxstb_Do you have the fonts installed?
19:19:29preglowkosh would pretty be the person to ask about his own build, though
19:19:43preglowinsert much
19:19:44motsguess they came with the wps-collection
19:20:29linuxstb_There's a font zip file on the daily builds page (the last item - with a Rockbox logo above it).
19:24:32motshow do I restart my iriver using rockbox?
19:24:49motsgot it
19:25:51motsnow i have the fonts installed, but the themes are still all b0rked
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19:27:07motsany ideas?
19:27:24Genre9mp3reload the theme
19:27:46motsalready did tha
19:28:02Genre9mp3from Browse Themes?
19:28:02motstried lots of themes
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19:28:11motsbut they all seem to be b0rk
19:28:15motswell, yeah
19:29:05Genre9mp3Does the font change when you switch themes?
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19:29:34linuxstb_If you go to Browse Fonts, do you see lots of fonts?
19:29:53Genre9mp3Are you sure you installed fonts properly? They must be in/.rockbox/fonts
19:30:58motsmaybe i forgot unmounting it
19:31:10motsi hate nautilus not writing files immediately
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19:32:06*Genre9mp3 thinks taht more people have problems with themes than with installation :/
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19:32:40motsmaybe the theme-pack should include fonts, at least
19:32:59mots*or at least notice that you need them
19:34:36motsajant now works
19:34:43motsbut hipod-mod is still b0rk
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19:42:53motsdoes anyone know why all hipod-based themes are b0rk?
19:44:53nlsmots, did you install the fonts?
19:45:06motsi just found out, that original hipod works
19:45:38motsbut hipod_ca, hipod_ca_dark and hipod_mod don't do
19:46:01motsnls: yepp
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19:53:02motsno ideaas?
19:53:21nlswhere did you get the themes
19:54:21nlsdo they require any patches, special fonts, black magic etc?
19:55:03motsi tried it on original firmware -> extreme b0rk
19:55:18motsthen i tried on kosh's build, less b0rk, but still b0rk
19:56:53Rincewind_hm, I don't like this _b0rk_ word...
19:57:11motslets say broken
19:57:20LearSeems to need album art patch...
19:57:48mots... album art is included in kosh's build
20:01:17Genre9mp3mots... I think that you have to edit the wps file if you want to use it
20:01:38Genre9mp3The album art patch recently changed and needs different formating
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20:03:11motsGenre9mp3: and how do I have to change it?
20:03:28Genre9mp3mots: Open the wps file with a text editor
20:04:07Genre9mp3Find the %C|x|x|x|x| line (where x are numbers)
20:04:53Genre9mp3And make it: %Cl|x|x|sx|sx| (the x numbers should be the same)
20:05:21Genre9mp3Then add a %C at the end of the code
20:05:36Genre9mp3Save it, reload it and you are done! :)
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20:09:17arkaschapetur: LOL
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20:12:02motsGenre9mp3: great thx, that did it
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20:13:36Genre9mp3mots: cool! :)
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20:15:11PaulJami just saw that on the h300 you can also press play+right to jump to the next directory. i was wondering if it would be a good idea to map this to rec+right , because you can press those two button with one finger.
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20:16:30motsi still have one question, i know that it doesn't belong here, but I guess you guys could know:
20:17:23motsis there any tool (cli, gui, don't care), that makes directory structures for songs (using tags) like: ARTIST/ALBUM/NUMBER/SONG ?
20:18:10motstell me one (for linux)
20:18:31motseasytag is capable of this?
20:18:38motsgreat thx
20:18:40crwlyes, and the opposite too
20:19:01motsdon't care about the opposite, as i spent days tagging them
20:19:22crwli'm pretty sure amarok does it that way too
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20:19:46motsdid not find anything like that in arok
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20:20:16crwlin collection browser make a selection (an artist or whatever), right-click, manage files -> organize files
20:22:35_jhMikeS_ all the iRivers have mono remotes right?
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20:23:38Genre9mp3jhMikeS: Yes... 1bpp
20:26:18jhMikeSThe sim will tell me if my changes work right? The color picker was messed on the x5 remote but it works now there.
20:27:06*jhMikeS has never used a sim for UI testing BTW
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20:30:08motswhich filetypes does AA support?
20:30:12motsonly bmp?
20:30:15motsor png, too?
20:30:27PaulJamno, only bmp
20:31:05godzirraI need to write a script to pull all the covers out of my id3 tags.
20:31:10godzirrasince thats the way media monkey stored them all.
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20:41:47godzirraheya Kalthare.
20:41:49godzirraYou're my hero.
20:42:18KalthareHiya. Did you get your MBR fixed?
20:43:18godzirraNo, I can't find my backup of my original mbr :(
20:43:44godzirraIt seems to work fine, just reports the wrong amount of space left.
20:44:29KalthareWell, make sure you don't fill it close to 30G, and you should be fine.
20:44:37godzirraAny word on moving towards being able to copy to and from without mtools?
20:46:13KalthareWell, no. Rockbox still needs to be modified to support 2K sectors.
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20:48:34godzirraI know.. was just curious if any large steps were made towards that.
20:48:39godzirraI don't know enough C to help :/
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20:49:49KalthareWell, I had a partial patch for it, but it hangs and I don't know why.
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20:58:25godzirraSo anyone know of any perl modules that will pull cover art from an id3 tag?
21:04:27amiconnKalthare: The 2K sector patch cannot work in its current state
21:04:43Kalthareamiconn: What'd I do wrong?
21:05:05amiconnYou exceed the maximum ata transfer length (256 sectors) by a factor of 4
21:05:48Kalthareamiconn: Thank you. That's what I was looking for.
21:06:49amiconnfat.c line 2044 ensures this for standard sectors, but your modified transfer() multiplies by 4
21:09:09Kalthareamiconn: Okay, I found it.
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21:14:36lowlightgodzirra: try "eyed3" (python, not perl) there's a write-images option
21:15:25godzirrathanks I'll take a look
21:22:23bluewormkalthare, If you get a patch ready I can build and test on a 80Gb.
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21:25:00Kalthareblueworm: I appreciate it. Right now I'm preparing my own iPod for testing.
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21:27:55bluewormgood luck
21:28:11godzirrayes, good luck
21:28:14*godzirra crosses his fingers.
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21:31:54motscould anyone here write me a bash script that resizes all files called folder.bmp to 75*75 (recursive, of course)
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21:37:47tucoznice topic :)
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21:39:00sneakumsmots: if you have imagemagick install: find /my/music/folder -name folder.bmp -print | xargs -n 1 −− mogrify -scale 75x75
21:40:01lowlightmogrify overwrites the existing image
21:40:19motsthats exactly what i want it to do
21:40:40lowlightwas just warning :)
21:41:06motshow about first copying them to image_big?
21:41:13motsor cover_big even
21:41:24motscould that be scripted, too?
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21:44:00motssneakums, guess you could help me
21:46:28motsor maybe lowlight?
21:46:38lowlightmots: I'm no bash exper, but this might work... for b in `find . -name folder.bmp`; do cp $b `dirname $b`/folder_big.bmp; mogrify -size 75x75 $b; done;
21:47:02sneakumsyeah, dirname is the way to go
21:47:09sneakumsalthough i'd do it like this:
21:48:31sneakumsfind /music -name folder.bmp -print | while read line; do mv $(dirname "$line")/folder.bmp $(dirname "$line")/folder_big.bmp ; convert -scale 75x75 $(dirname "$line")/folder_big.bmp $(dirname "$line")/folder.bmp ; done
21:48:46sneakumsusing for will break if there are spaces in the paths
21:49:16motsgreat, thx
21:49:37sneakumsrun it first with echo instead of mv and convert to make sure it's going to do the right thing
21:50:50motsmots@nonsense:~$ find ~/mugge -name folder.bmp -print | while read line; do echo $(dirname "$line")/folder.bmp $(dirname "$line")/folder_big.bmp ; echo $(dirname "$line")/folder_big.bmp $(dirname "$line")/folder.bmp ; done
21:51:00motsgives exactly no output
21:51:40dan_aWould anyone be able to help me with an assembly macro? It shouldn't be difficult for someone who knows what they are doing...
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21:52:44sneakums~/mugge is your music directory?
21:53:17dan_aWhat have I done wrong with
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21:55:24motssneakums: guess it should do sth.?
21:55:43sneakumsyeah, it should
21:56:00sneakumsdoes 'find ~/mugge -name folder.bmp -print' list your cover images?
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21:57:04sneakumswhat does 'echo ~/mugge' say?
21:57:14motswasn't your fault
21:57:22Leardan_a: compile or runtime problem (can't help you with the latter though, don't know arm asm)?
21:57:28motsi idiot forgot they were called cover.bmo
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21:58:09dan_aLear: Compile - but I think I've got it now...
21:58:12Leardan_a: tried without x as both input and output?
21:59:12dan_aLear: It needs to be an input and an output - but actually referencing v helps...
21:59:47motssneakums: still doesn't work
22:00:18motsmv: angegebenes Ziel Tracks]/cover_big.bmp ist kein Verzeichnis
22:00:18motsconvert: unable to open image `[Bonus': No such file or directory.
22:00:24motsstuff like that
22:01:27linuxstb_mots: Do you know that the album art patch can resize bmp files for you as it loads them?
22:01:50motsnope tbh
22:02:17motsi always heard, "if they're not the right size, they'll be ignored"
22:02:39motsso the size of the files doesn'T matter anymore?
22:03:12sneakumsi've been saving mine as 256x256 so they'd scale nicely to 128x128
22:03:45motsthan i only need the copying part as i want to have computer-usable ones, too
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22:09:32motssneakums: could you take a quick look at that?
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22:10:43sneakumsmots: i think you need to put double quotes around all the $(dirname ...) calls
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22:10:57sneakumsmots: so change them to "$(dirname "$line")"
22:11:11*amiconn wonders what that strange asm macro should do
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22:12:06amiconnIt looks all screwed, and I can't imagine its purpose
22:12:18dan_aIt is all screwed
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22:12:42dan_aI'm working on atomic mutexes
22:13:42KalthareOkay, I think it's working now. amiconn's a hero.
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22:14:27motssneakums: find ~/mugge -name cover.bmp -print | while read line; do cp "$(dirname "$line")"/cover.bmp "$(dirname "$line")"/cover_big.bmp ; done ?
22:15:03sneakumsyep, that's it
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22:17:58*amiconn is just a long-term rockbox fellow
22:18:37amiconndan_a: Why do you call it TEST_AND_SET() ?
22:18:48amiconnThe swp(b) instruction doesn't test anything
22:19:19amiconnIt just reads a value from memory, and swaps it for another value, in an atomic way
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22:21:20*amiconn also recommends using do { ... } while(0) for multi-statement macros
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22:22:37dan_aThe instruction itsself doesn't, no. But if you do something like TEST_AND_SET(m->locked, true) in mutex_lock, it does test and set the value at the same time
22:23:17*dan_a looks for an example of a macro done the way amiconn suggests
22:23:23KalthareI accidentally left in a bunch of debugging output, so I'm recompiling. Once I've given it a proper test, I'll put a patch together.
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22:23:52amiconndan_a: How would that be able to test the value? Your call example has only input parameters...
22:24:49dan_aGood point
22:25:00bluewormmy hero
22:25:51bluewormbtb how do i speak in 3rd person?
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22:26:45tucozblueworm, you type /me says something
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22:27:14amiconndan_a: If you want a return value, it might be better to use an inline function.
22:27:28*blueworm claps hands
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22:27:52bluewormthanks dude. I'm irc n00b
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22:31:34amiconndan_a: My suggestion is here:
22:34:00amiconnThen call that with oldval = test_and_set(&m->locked, true);
22:34:23dan_aamiconn: Thank you!
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22:37:02jhMikeShey...atomic code
22:37:19dan_aThat looks much better when I look at the disassembly
22:37:54KalthareOkay, I'm making the patch now
22:37:56dan_ajhMikeS: Well, if there are going to be threads on different processors, we need atomic mutexs :)
22:38:15jhMikeSabsolutely...would love to see rb be preemtive too
22:38:39*jhMikeS ducks
22:40:20jhMikeSdan_a: Things are on their way to that now anyway
22:42:03amiconnA preemptive kernel would create more problems than it woul dsolve
22:42:09webguest40i think i found a link where you can put wikipedia or ur ipod
22:43:19webguest40im seriously not even kidding
22:43:31bluewormwhat daily build does it patch against? todays or yesterdays?
22:44:06jhMikeSamiconn: I'm sure it would but they'd fun to solve...I hate that yield stuff
22:44:14Kitt0shey how can make the text color black?
22:44:14jhMikeSReminds me of windows 3.x
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22:44:23Kalthareblueworm: Actually, come to think of it, it patches against my week-old CVS pull...
22:44:30KalthareSee if it applies anyway.
22:45:28*amiconn likes yield()
22:46:00amiconnThis way the developer can decide when to interrupt the flow, instead of the kernel
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22:46:19*dan_a likes a scheduler he can understand
22:46:44Kalthareblueworm: Remember, after you run configure, you have to manually add "#define FAT_2K_SECTORS" to autoconf.h
22:46:57preglowyield() surely does make multithreading easier
22:47:05amiconnWith a preemptive kernel, we would need all sorts of integrity protection -> lots of overhead, and ugly
22:47:27preglowyeah, we probably have a quarter of the mutexes we'd need if we didn't have yield
22:47:43jhMikeSI've always found programming preemptively much easier and more intuitive. no joke
22:47:59preglowintuitive, perhaps, but easier, no
22:48:06linuxstb_Do you want to implement it?
22:48:20Mooseasier is one individual thing ;)
22:48:25*preglow is reminded how much he hates multithread programming
22:48:30jhMikeSeasier for me...moos got it
22:49:00bluewormKalthare it does not apply cleanly. :(
22:49:02jhMikeSI love multithreaded...
22:49:09*linuxstb_ has managed to avoid multi-threaded programming (apart from Rockbox)
22:49:17Kalthareblueworm: Alright, I'll update and try and fix the patch
22:49:18*preglow hasn't :/
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22:49:31jhMikeSvengan threads (let the threads come)
22:49:31preglowthreading has bitten me often enough that i tend to avoid it
22:49:40bluewormthanks dude
22:50:16jhMikeSI find it pretty easy to imagine them running in my head...maybe I'm wierd :\
22:50:46preglowdepends how many threads we're talking about
22:50:48*amiconn spots a weird thing in last night's commits :/
22:50:55*preglow longs for languages better fitted to multi-threading
22:50:55jhMikeS100s...doesn't matter
22:51:35*petur has no problems with multi-threading but would rather avoid it in embedded
22:51:45jhMikeSIf you lock down but never up there's no danger
22:52:24amiconnDithering on target... what a waste :/
22:52:32jhMikeSSo lock a->lock b or lock b but never lock b->lock a
22:52:39jhMikeSamiconn: why?
22:52:54amiconnWhy dither on target when you can pre-dither the image?
22:53:07Kalthareblueworm: ...I just applied the patch to rockbox-daily-20061011 and it went in fine, not even any fuzz. What's the problem you had?
22:53:21jhMikeSMany aren't pre dithered and it's pretty small
22:53:28KalthareI figure this'd be a pretty stable patch, since the files it modifies don't otherwise change much
22:53:39amiconn(apart from the fact that I don't really like dithering. It often looks even more ugly than banding)
22:54:14jhMikeSPut a gradient background on...24 to 16 is pretty subtle
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22:54:44*amiconn doesn't use bitmaps in rockbox
22:54:58jhMikeSI only did it cause it was fairly tiny and maybe could be squeezed down some more at that
22:54:59amiconnToo wasteful, with no real benefit
22:55:22*jhMikeS likes eye candy
22:55:35Kitt0sstupid q: hey how can make the text color black?
22:55:38*petur agrees with amiconn
22:55:57pixelmajhMikeS: seen this thread? (I only guess it has something to do with your changes)
22:56:00jhMikeSWhat's with all the miminalism? :P
22:56:30amiconnIn some places I like eye candy too, but only if it outweighs the cost it comes at
22:56:36preglowminimalism talk shouldn't surprise you around amiconn, gheh
22:56:41amiconnThat's one reason why I also avoid dircache
22:57:03preglowbut yeah, i somewhat agree anyway
22:57:05jhMikeSpixelma: Now you see what happens when I'm stuck and have to wait to get an iRiver to get the uda working
22:57:38preglowamiconn: a couple of hundrer kilobytes of ram outweighs instant browsing???
22:57:58preglowwell, if you don't browse...
22:58:11preglowi go mad each time i reset my settings and forget dircache
22:58:13*Moos votes for Rockbox finabce one iriver to jhMikeS :)
22:58:14amiconnI listen to music far longer than I browse
22:58:19jhMikeShmmm...colors inverted...indeed. Don't you just swap the bytes for RGB565SWAPPED?
22:58:30preglowjhMikeS: hell no
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22:58:50preglowforget me
22:58:51jhMikeSWill the sim tell the story?
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22:59:24preglowanyway, i don't know if dithering is beneficial on screens the size we use
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23:00:14amiconnpreglow: Once the disk has spun up, there are no further delays. I don't see what's so bad about that. It's slightly annoying, but that's it
23:00:25preglowamiconn: depends how you browse
23:00:34preglowif you wait too long, it spins down again, and there you go
23:00:35preglowmore annoyance
23:00:48amiconnFurthermore I often use the Ondio which has no spinup delay, or the mini which only has a minimal spinup delay (500ms)
23:01:13amiconnThe most annoying target (spinup-wise) is the X5
23:01:42preglowyes, i don't exactly need dircache on my nano
23:01:47preglowbut on my h120 it's a straight out must
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23:02:26amiconnFor me, boot time on iriver is far more annoying than browse spinup delays are
23:02:43preglowboot time really doesn't annoy me at all
23:03:12amiconn...because you have to wait for the thing to be at least at the logo splash to press resume
23:03:16preglowi don't need to wait for that, i just press on and it's going when it's ready
23:03:36Genre9mp3amiconn, preglow: I think that the case here is that the feature exists for anyone who needs/wants it
23:03:36jhMikeSamiconn: why? mine spins in 240 ticks not > 300
23:03:42preglowwith disk spinup on browse, i have to just wait and look at the screen while it spins up
23:03:51preglowGenre9mp3: well, sure...
23:03:54pixelmajhMikeS: yes the colours are inverted even in the sim (just tried it)
23:03:56amiconnjhMikeS: What model do you have?
23:03:59preglowGenre9mp3: it's not like i'm trying to make in mandatory
23:04:21Genre9mp3preglow: I use dircache, too on my H340 ;)
23:04:25jhMikeSI'm gonna try the sim myself and take care of it
23:05:01jhMikeSx5 60GB I mean
23:05:02*preglow is reading a paper about a fixed point spectrum analyzer method
23:05:38jhMikeSI guess it's got a torquey little motor
23:05:40pixelmajhMikeS: not really inverted but wrong... ;)
23:05:45amiconnHmm, strange. SPinup time on my X5 varies quite a bit. Measured 2600ms right now, not longer than on archos. But somehow it feels longer...
23:06:32preglowThe proposed algorithm is patent pending.
23:06:42jhMikeSI know cause of watching it for the recording and it's pretty consistently between 240 and 250
23:06:43preglowarghgh!! why do they even bother bloody publishing it
23:07:21jhMikeSpreglow: you look for anything DSP on the web and it's all patent this, patent that
23:07:40preglowjhMikeS: not really, no
23:07:52preglowbut it seems to be a trend overall that dsp people don't like sharing
23:08:43jhMikeSpreglow: why do I see so much then when searching? :\
23:09:28preglowjhMikeS: *shrug*, depends what you're searching for, i guess
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23:11:44bluewormKalthare how did you get it to patcg cleanly I got an error on line 18 disk.c
23:11:58bluewormanyhow I just finished patching by hand
23:12:03amiconnjhMikeS: swap16(color); ??
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23:12:13amiconnswap16 is a function...
23:12:27bluewormDo I still need to apply the ipod_fw.c patch?
23:12:56*linuxstb_ was just about to point out the swap16() function has a return value...
23:13:14godzirraDid Kalthare have any luck?
23:13:36MoosI have noticed one little HD noise sometimes, skiping track,.... and the HD don't spin up, that's strange
23:13:38linuxstb_godzirra: Check the IRC logs...
23:14:05ipodmini2gi'm trying to install rockbox on my ipod (2g mini) and i says "cannot open loader image file bootloader-mini2g.bin
23:14:09Kalthareblueworm: I'm not patching line 18 in disk.c ....
23:14:15jhMikeShow do you get the context menu on the nano sim?
23:14:20amiconnjhMikeS: The dithering is rather costly the way it's coded, but not because of the dithering itself...
23:14:42jhMikeSyou mean size wize?
23:14:51KalthareThe only change to disk.c is at line 78
23:14:52amiconnChecking the same condition over and over within the innermost loop is surely inefficient
23:15:18bluewormyes but it complained about it.
23:15:51KalthareIs your tree clean?
23:15:56jhMikeSsurely but speed wasn't really the issue for that as I saw it...wasn't thinking it'd be used like lcd_write_data
23:16:13bluewormI just untar'ed it
23:16:22ipodmini2gwhere do i get bootloader-mini2g.bin?
23:17:05godzirraKalthare: so you're patch gets it to work without using mtools? Or am I confused as to the purpose.
23:17:13linuxstb_ipodmini2g: The install instructions should have a link to it. What instructions are you following?
23:17:37Kaltharegodzirra: Yeah, it's a patch to fix the actual problem.
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23:17:56ipodmini2gdaily build
23:18:20ipodmini2gthe manual only had the mini1g.bin
23:19:13Kitt0sis it possible to make black fonts?
23:19:51linuxstb_ipodmini2g: That's a bug in the manual... Just replace "1g" with "2g" in the link.
23:20:05KalthareIt seems to work, but I haven't tested it much yet. There's a lot of work yet to do, tho.
23:20:14peturKitt0s:set the foreground color
23:20:19jhMikeSheh...that backdrop I tried looks a lot like something you'd see on acid
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23:22:19godzirraKalthare: Is the patch posted somewhere?
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23:22:36ipodmini2ggsorry, this is ipodmini still
23:22:43ipodmini2gglet's see if this worked...
23:23:02ipodmini2ggcross your fingers....
23:23:53ipodmini2ggno way
23:23:58ipodmini2ggholy shit
23:24:14Kaltharegodzirra: If you use it, remember to add "#define FAT_2K_SECTORS" to autoconf.h after you run configure.
23:24:35ipodmini2gghow do i play music?
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23:26:28jhMikeSIf the sims are indeed acurate about the color swapping thing, then I guess I got stuff confused indeed
23:27:15linuxstb_ipodmini2gg: If you transferred it with itunes, you probably want to read the tagcache section in the manual.
23:27:31Moosamiconn, jhMikeS: what is the coldstar detection for on the ATA driver front?
23:29:21Kalthareblueworm: Sorry, I missed your question about ipod_fw.c. I've been loading the firmware in manually rather than using that −− you need that patched too, yes. I can't vouch for whether that patch works, as I haven't tried it.
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23:30:35sneakumsit works for me
23:30:44sneakumsalthough i still have that hang on the first read
23:31:30godzirraKalthare: what directory do you apply the patch in?
23:31:34sneakumsKalthare: could you modify the ata_device_init in ata-pp5020.c to dump the result of the first inl? i'm wondering if there's some difference in the ATA hardware between the 30G and the 80G
23:32:03sneakumsit makes no sense that there would be, but it's worth checking
23:32:32sneakumsand i can't think of anything else i can check in the ata init
23:32:59bluewormI got the bootloader to buid, the main build is now compiling
23:33:00Kaltharegodzirra: The top level of the build tree, with -p 1
23:33:43Kaltharesneakums: Maybe later. I'm a little busy right now.
23:34:22KalthareOh −− in case it wasn't clear, if you've reformatted with 512-byte sectors for that hack I did, you need to reformat it again for 2048-byte sectors.
23:35:31sneakumsKalthare: no worries, i can't do anything with the information until this evening anyway
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23:35:57sneakumsor ever, since i don't know what i'm doing
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23:38:32ipodmini2ggis ipodlinux any better than rockbox?
23:39:08dan_aipodmini2gg: It's different. Not better or worse.
23:39:30bluewormno dice
23:39:53ipodmini2gghmm, is it easier to use?
23:40:06preglowdo you like to use your ipod to play music?
23:40:38preglowif so, then rockbox is better, no way to hide that fact
23:41:03 Part bundik ("Leaving") seems to have... problem
23:42:23bluewormkalthare do you add the broadcome firmware also?
23:43:41godzirrathis is my first rockbox build.
23:43:50godzirrafirst time I've built rockbox I guess
23:44:08godzirraHrm. Igot an error saying make[1]: *** [/home/shawn/rockbox/build-dir/librockbox.a] Error 127
23:45:13blueworm./ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin -i apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin bootloader.bin does that look right?
23:45:58Kalthareblueworm: I installed the bootloader manually.
23:46:31godzirraKalthare: So I have the bootloader installed already... I just need to format the drive, copy my new build of rockbox on it (Assuming I can get it to compile) and I'm good to go?
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23:47:49Kalthare"dd if=bootloader/bootloader.bin of=/dev/sdb1 bs=2048 seek=10", then hexedit the header. I wrote a imple C program to calculate the checksum.
23:48:28godzirraI need to get an original copy of the mbr. :/
23:48:33godzirraMine is apparently gone.
23:48:33Kaltharegodzirra: Is it the official build bootloader, or patched?
23:48:38bluewormIll try the bs=2048 seek10 part
23:48:50godzirraone sec
23:49:06Kalthareblueworm: You need to adjust the header, too, or it won't boot.
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23:49:39Kaltharegodzirra: Just fdisk it, delete partitions 2 and 3, and create a new FAT32 partition in the empty space.
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23:50:10godzirraWell, I have to get it ti compile first.
23:50:17godzirranot sure what the error its g iving me is from
23:50:17bluewormwould'nt it be easier for me to install an exact image of your /dev/sdx1 ?
23:50:29godzirrathis line gives me the error: AR+RANLIB /home/shawn/rockbox/build-dir/librockbox.a
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23:50:54Kaltharegodzirra: ...I'm pretty sure that isn't an error message.
23:51:01sneakumsthat's not an error
23:51:05Kalthareblueworm: Okay, I'll put one up
23:51:06godzirraThis is the actual error: make[1]: *** [/home/shawn/rockbox/build-dir/librockbox.a] Error 127
23:51:15bluewormthanks again
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23:53:38linuxstb_godzirra: What is the first error you get? There should be at least one before that.
23:54:38godzirraCC drivers/lcd.S
23:54:38godzirraCC mp3_playback.c
23:54:38godzirraCC mp3data.c
23:54:47godzirraWas trying to paste this:
23:54:49godzirrawhich is a paste of it
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23:55:26sneakumsis your disk full or something?
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23:58:39bluewormI just dd if=fwpart of=/dev/sdx1 ??
23:58:56Kalthareblueworm: Yeah.

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