| 00:00:02 | godzirra | k |
| 00:00:06 | sneakums | you'd be amazing at what happens in a dirty tree |
| 00:00:12 | sneakums | er, amazed |
| 00:00:31 | godzirra | nope. Except same error. |
| 00:00:47 | godzirra | err |
| 00:00:47 | godzirra | exact |
| 00:00:58 | linuxstb_ | Have you compiled Rockbox before? |
| 00:03:30 | godzirra | No |
| 00:03:39 | godzirra | I can scrap it and do a completely new checkout I guess? |
| 00:04:18 | godzirra | Ahhh. |
| 00:04:26 | godzirra | I didnt add the arm-elf path to my path |
| 00:04:30 | godzirra | I just created a symlink |
| 00:04:36 | godzirra | and apparently that makes it unhappy. |
| 00:04:55 | linuxstb_ | It does indeed - it's not just arm-elf-gcc that's needed. |
| 00:05:06 | sneakums | you need arm-elf-ar and arm-elf-ranlib |
| 00:05:18 | sneakums | although i think gnu ar obviates the need to ever run ranlib anyway |
| 00:07:16 | Kalthare | So, what would be involved in making 5.5G a new port, and is it warranted? |
| 00:07:33 | godzirra | So is the only way to get back the original mbr is an ipod flavored restore? |
| 00:07:41 | godzirra | or does someone have an mbr.bin from a 30g 5.5g they can send me? |
| 00:07:44 | godzirra | 30gb |
| 00:07:46 | godzirra | sorry :) |
| 00:07:52 | linuxstb_ | Kaltare; We should try and not create a separate build if possible. |
| 00:08:54 | Kalthare | linuxstb_: Making the code able to use both half-K and two-K sectors in the same build would be all kinds of more complicated. |
| 00:09:49 | blueworm | still no dice... hangs on boot... |
| 00:11:03 | Kalthare | blueworm: What messages does it print? |
| 00:11:24 | amiconn | Do all 5.5G's have 64MB of RAM? Or only the 80GB model? |
| 00:12:40 | Kalthare | amiconn: Um, how do I check? |
| 00:13:00 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 00:13:24 | blueworm | Rockbox boot loader\n Version: 20061011-1331\n IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF\n TOSHIBA MK8010GAH\n |
| 00:13:32 | thegeek_ | I think only the 80gb has 64 |
| 00:13:37 | linuxstb_ | Kaltare: Try writing to it from the bootloader (before Rockbox remaps it). |
| 00:14:09 | thegeek_ | and the 30 has 32 |
| 00:14:13 | Kalthare | linuxstb_: Writing to what? |
| 00:14:22 | linuxstb_ | SDRAM is mapped to 0x10000000 initially, and then the first 32MB is remapped to 0x00000000. |
| 00:14:34 | linuxstb_ | Kalthare: RAM in the 32MB-64MB range. |
| 00:15:01 | blueworm | shall I change the RAM size in the configure script? |
| 00:15:27 | linuxstb_ | The remapping only happens in Rockbox itself, not the bootloader. |
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| 00:16:22 | Kalthare | linuxstb_: Um, if you give me a patch, I'll try it. |
| 00:16:29 | blueworm | lol |
| 00:17:00 | * | blueworm me too! |
| 00:17:41 | Soap | amiconn - the "teardown" of a 30GB 5.5gen ipod I just read refered to its 256Mb memory chip. |
| 00:18:01 | linuxstb_ | I guess that answers the question then... |
| 00:18:21 | godzirra | so after I finish the make, I should have a rockbox.ipod in my current directory, right? |
| 00:18:53 | linuxstb_ | After you do make, run "make zip" to create the rockbox.zip archive, then unzip it to your ipod (unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod) |
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| 00:19:14 | blueworm | 256Mb!!! |
| 00:19:27 | Kalthare | the 'b' is for 'bit' |
| 00:19:36 | blueworm | 512Mb the 80Gb ;) |
| 00:20:11 | thegeek_ | I think that is pretty clear;P |
| 00:20:50 | Kalthare | So the 30GB only has half as much RAM. I wish I knew that before. |
| 00:20:50 | godzirra | Ahh awesome. |
| 00:21:12 | thegeek_ | I'm going for the 80gb *drool* |
| 00:21:23 | godzirra | what difference does it make? |
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| 00:22:14 | godzirra | err hm. |
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| 00:22:22 | godzirra | It said it skipped a bunch of files |
| 00:22:27 | godzirra | Skip iAmp.wps due to size restraints |
| 00:22:39 | Kalthare | Those are non-iPod WPSes. |
| 00:22:39 | godzirra | like 6 wps files, then I got this: xargs: zip: No such file or directory |
| 00:22:40 | Soap | the whole lack of proper "b" and "B" use is killing me. |
| 00:22:46 | linuxstb_ | That's normal - it skips WPSs which don't fit your LCD size. |
| 00:22:49 | godzirra | Ahh |
| 00:22:57 | godzirra | but no ip file |
| 00:22:58 | godzirra | zip |
| 00:22:59 | Kalthare | You need info-zip installed. |
| 00:23:05 | godzirra | Got it. |
| 00:23:30 | godzirra | hrm... is there a debian package? |
| 00:23:40 | linuxstb_ | apt-get install zip |
| 00:23:44 | linuxstb_ | (and unzip) |
| 00:24:04 | godzirra | oh woops, didnt have zip |
| 00:24:06 | godzirra | I thought I had both. |
| 00:24:36 | godzirra | Aww, I don't get the dancing puffballs on my ipod :( |
| 00:24:49 | godzirra | yay! I have a zip file. |
| 00:25:00 | Mr530 | sorry to be a n00b but where's the ipod.fw located? |
| 00:25:18 | Kalthare | I actually thought about trying to make the code work with either 512- or 2048-byte sectors, but I decided against it due to the sheer amount of code that has the sector size hard-coded, and the amount of potential instability it would introduce for _everybody_, not just 5.5G users. Does that make sense? |
| 00:25:26 | Mr530 | its not under ipod_control>device |
| 00:26:30 | thegeek_ | why can't we just make the secor size a define? |
| 00:26:33 | thegeek_ | sector |
| 00:26:59 | Kalthare | It is already. But they don't want 5.5G to be a separate build, if possible. |
| 00:27:08 | linuxstb_ | That will mean that once support for 64MB RAM is included in CVS, we'll have 4 5g builds... |
| 00:27:18 | thegeek_ | ah |
| 00:27:35 | linuxstb_ | And technically, they're not 5.5g - Apple are just calling them "Late 2006" Fifth Generation. |
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| 00:28:14 | linuxstb_ | It's similar to the LCD change that happened shortly after the Photo became the Color (Colors come with two different LCDs) |
| 00:28:41 | Kalthare | Well, what I'm asking is, what needs to happen next? |
| 00:28:45 | blueworm | gtkpod calls the 6G |
| 00:28:57 | linuxstb_ | blueworm: That's just wrong... |
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| 00:29:16 | blueworm | red ink... nice |
| 00:29:18 | Kalthare | Yeah, that's just inviting disaster when the real 6G comes out |
| 00:29:29 | Soap | I've been reading more and more (rumors) that the "video ipod" will be a entirely new line. Not a replacement for the current "ipod w/video" This makes me happy. I don't want a fullscreen battery eating music player. |
| 00:30:14 | sneakums | instead you want a fullscreen battery-eating video player? |
| 00:32:09 | Kalthare | So.. the 80GB model still doesn't work with the patch? |
| 00:32:12 | Soap | nope. I want the choice to have a large HD based player w/o getting a full screen and a "touch screen" at that. |
| 00:32:29 | linuxstb_ | Kalthare: First thing would be to post your patch to the patch tracker and get feedback (and also do more testing to make sure everything is working OK). |
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| 00:33:08 | blueworm | Kalthare: Not so far. |
| 00:33:12 | linuxstb_ | Kalthare: We also need to update ipod_fw and ipodpatcher and release new binaries. |
| 00:34:10 | sneakums | Kalthare: my testing seemed to show that it gets STATUS_ERR trying to read the MBR |
| 00:35:11 | sneakums | so the patch wouldn't make any difference there |
| 00:35:19 | Kalthare | That's not a problem I know how to approach.. |
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| 00:37:46 | sneakums | yeah, me either |
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| 00:38:36 | weazle | hi all |
| 00:39:27 | Kalthare | It does the same thing, with and without the patch? |
| 00:40:16 | sneakums | i haven't tried with the patch |
| 00:40:24 | sneakums | but it's the vert first disk read it ever does |
| 00:40:32 | sneakums | it can't even read the MBR |
| 00:41:33 | Kalthare | Right.. so the patch shouldn't affect it anyway.. |
| 00:41:38 | blueworm | sneakums: are you brave enough to try Kalthare mbr? |
| 00:42:19 | sneakums | sure, when i get home |
| 00:42:44 | Kalthare | sneakums: What was it that you wanted me to check? |
| 00:42:59 | sneakums | Kalthare: |
| 00:43:00 | sneakums | ata_device_init() (see firmware/target/arm/ata-pp5020.c) does |
| 00:43:00 | sneakums | outl(inl(0xc3000028) | (1 << 5), 0xc3000028); |
| 00:43:01 | sneakums | outl(inl(0xc3000028) & ~0x10000000, 0xc3000028); |
| 00:43:13 | sneakums | so on my ipod, inl(0xc3000028) is inl(0xc3000028) |
| 00:43:14 | sneakums | er |
| 00:43:20 | sneakums | so on my ipod, inl(0xc3000028) is 0x20150020 |
| 00:43:37 | sneakums | which is the IDE control register (or it should be, according to ipodlinux's PP5020 page) |
| 00:43:48 | sneakums | so i want to find out if it's the same on the 30GB G5.5 ipods |
| 00:43:56 | sneakums | if it isn't, then something must be up |
| 00:45:01 | sneakums | i'd give you a patch to print the register to the LCD, but my laptop at home seems to have falled off the net |
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| 00:46:21 | Kalthare | Hmmm.. |
| 00:46:32 | sneakums | but the function you need is something like this: void lcd_log_int(char *msg, int i) { extern int line; char buf[80]; snprintf(buf, sizeof buf, "%s %08x", i); lcd_puts(buf); lcd_update(); line++; } |
| 00:46:38 | sneakums | and you'll need to |
| 00:46:51 | sneakums | #include <stdio.h> and "lcd.h" |
| 00:47:09 | sneakums | er, snprintf(buf, sizeof buf, "%s %08x", msg, i); |
| 00:47:22 | sneakums | i think that's about right, i'm doing it from memory |
| 00:48:30 | Kalthare | Well, lemme see what I can do.. |
| 00:48:51 | sneakums | no rush, if it comes to it i can build a bootloader for someone to try |
| 00:49:23 | sneakums | or if someone who knows iPod ATA could tell us whether that looks like a valid config register value or not |
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| 01:00:06 | Kalthare | What should the 5.5G be called in ipod_fw? |
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| 01:00:51 | Scorched | I just installed Rockbox on a 3g ipod under winxp. After rebooting the ipod, rockbox is running, but I get an "Unknown Device" error when I connect via usb. Any ideas? |
| 01:01:12 | sneakums | i think apple calls it "5G (late 2006)" |
| 01:01:52 | Scorched | I looked up the device in the device manager, and ipod is at location zero, but I can't even get the ipodupdater app to recognize it there. |
| 01:02:02 | Kalthare | I mean for the -g option |
| 01:03:32 | midkay | -5.5g? |
| 01:03:44 | excitatory | so i was told in this channel yesterday that my nano only transfers in usb 1.1 mode while in emergency disk mode. is this true? (i think it might be, since it takes well over 20 minutes to fill it's 2gb capacity) |
| 01:04:13 | midkay | excitatory: it's true indeed. |
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| 01:04:33 | midkay | it's considerably slower at least, i'm pretty sure it only goes at 1.1 speeds. |
| 01:04:38 | * | jhMikeS is so incredibly stupid that he forgot swap16 doesn't swap the value in place :D |
| 01:04:42 | excitatory | midkay: is there nothing i can do.. or am i stuck with 1.1? |
| 01:05:07 | midkay | excitatory: boot back to the original firmware.. |
| 01:05:20 | midkay | it'll still work in usb2. |
| 01:05:33 | Scorched | has anyone else ever seen my problem with 'unkown driver' before? |
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| 01:06:05 | midkay | not i, maybe you can check and/or post at the forums. |
| 01:06:07 | excitatory | midkay: well.. i deleted my original firmware |
| 01:06:15 | excitatory | even removed the partition |
| 01:06:16 | midkay | excitatory: deleted? why? |
| 01:06:20 | midkay | you're stuck then.. |
| 01:06:27 | * | Scorched stares at his new ipod brand paperweight. |
| 01:06:50 | midkay | Scorched: if you want it to be.. rather expensive one, though. |
| 01:07:09 | excitatory | midkay: um.. well it gave me a *significantly* quicker boot time, and an extra 64mb, which was huge on a 2gb device. |
| 01:07:13 | Scorched | *shrug* I've tried everything I can think of to try, and I can't get it to connect. |
| 01:07:46 | midkay | Scorched: if you're gonna give up, why'd you even ask? |
| 01:07:51 | excitatory | midkay: well, would the ipod updater fix it? |
| 01:07:54 | midkay | i'm pretty sure the forum will have the answers. |
| 01:08:04 | midkay | if not now, then soon after you ask. |
| 01:08:18 | Scorched | well, because I don't have anything left to try unless someone here has a suggestion. |
| 01:08:40 | midkay | excitatory: it'd let you, through a long process, restore the apple firmware.. but you can't be both rid of the apple OS and have USB2 speeds. |
| 01:08:54 | midkay | Scorched: and i gave it to you. check the forums. |
| 01:09:37 | excitatory | midkay: argh.. that's so stupid.. even the 2g minis transfer in usb2 in EDM |
| 01:09:42 | Scorched | midkay, thanks. I'll keep looking they hadn't turned up anything when I looked yesterday. |
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| 01:10:01 | excitatory | will the ipod updater work via wine, or am i going to have to hunt down a windows box? |
| 01:10:13 | midkay | excitatory: i didn't know that, but whatever, the nanos don't. |
| 01:10:32 | excitatory | yea, i was told this was nano specific |
| 01:10:37 | excitatory | which is lame |
| 01:10:39 | midkay | excitatory: i don't know about the WINE thing... i haven't heard of it. can't you write your old bootpartition back? |
| 01:10:41 | linuxstb__ | jhMikeS: Both amiconn and I mentioned that a couple of hours ago... |
| 01:11:01 | midkay | excitatory: it's also the same with 5Gs, and i'm pretty sure the new nanos and 5.5gs as well. |
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| 01:31:49 | Kalthare | Interesting. I thought someone said the patched ipod_fw doesn't load the Apple firmware properly, but it works fine. |
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| 01:33:42 | blueworm | It was me and it does'nt |
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| 01:34:33 | blueworm | sneakums can you confirm this |
| 01:35:10 | Kalthare | Oh. Hm.. This might be another symptom of the general 80GB problems. I wish I knew what was going on there. :( |
| 01:36:02 | blueworm | Basically the 30GB is good to go then... :) |
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| 01:39:32 | Kalthare | Okay, I'll put my patch on the tracker... |
| 01:40:37 | blueworm | Kalthare: nice job btw |
| 01:40:41 | Kalthare | Okay, um.. here are my guesses. Category: OS/Drivers. OS: iPod 5G. Severity: ? |
| 01:41:07 | Kalthare | blueworm: Thanks, but I'd feel better about it if it were more helpful to you.. |
| 01:42:42 | blueworm | I'm patient... still waiting for duke nukem forever ;) |
| 01:44:24 | weazle | hmm I followed the instruction for ipod nano as described in the manual |
| 01:45:03 | weazle | but i get the Use itunes to restore screen |
| 01:45:16 | weazle | it's a 2nd gen ipod nano |
| 01:45:19 | weazle | 2gb |
| 01:45:30 | weazle | at reboot |
| 01:45:38 | Kalthare | I don't think Rockbox is working on the 2nd gen nano, is it? |
| 01:45:43 | blueworm | IIRC its not supported yet |
| 01:45:46 | linuxstb__ | Rockbox doesn't work on the 2nd gen Nano (it's stated on the front page). |
| 01:45:54 | weazle | ahh that explains ;p |
| 01:45:57 | godzirra | Hrm |
| 01:46:08 | godzirra | using ipod_fw it gave me the standard "restore your ipod" error. |
| 01:46:22 | weazle | yap, i have that one right here |
| 01:47:13 | jhMikeS | does anyone else with an x5 remote notice the lcd is a bit off relative to the frame or is mine defective (too late to return :) |
| 01:49:16 | blueworm | godzirra: how did you install the bootloader? |
| 01:49:57 | godzirra | dd |
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| 01:50:09 | godzirra | dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 |
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| 01:51:06 | blueworm | seems ok, you did remember to re-compile ipod_fw.c ? |
| 01:51:27 | godzirra | I think so. |
| 01:51:29 | godzirra | thats what I'm checking now. |
| 01:52:03 | Kalthare | remember, you need to extract the Apple firmware files using the patched ipod_fw as well |
| 01:53:28 | godzirra | my ipod patch always fails |
| 01:53:30 | godzirra | just to make sure |
| 01:53:34 | godzirra | the line that said 0x4400 |
| 01:53:37 | godzirra | needs to be changed to 0x4800 |
| 01:53:39 | godzirra | correct? |
| 01:53:47 | Kalthare | yeah. |
| 01:53:48 | godzirra | ipod_fw patch rather |
| 01:53:52 | godzirra | ok, just making sure |
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| 01:55:31 | godzirra | huh it worked that time. |
| 01:55:37 | godzirra | Maybe I forgot to recompile ipod_fw after all :) |
| 01:59:30 | godzirra | yay. |
| 01:59:37 | Kalthare | glad ya got it working. :) |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:08 | godzirra | Me too. Thanks for all the help :) |
| 02:00:28 | blueworm | 30Gb ? |
| 02:00:37 | Kalthare | Yeah. |
| 02:00:41 | godzirra | yup |
| 02:00:52 | godzirra | I tried to talk my wife into letting me get an 80, but it was a no go :) |
| 02:00:59 | blueworm | congratulations :D |
| 02:01:01 | godzirra | since I have no reason to get one other than it has more ram. |
| 02:01:03 | godzirra | hehe |
| 02:01:05 | godzirra | thanks blueworm |
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| 02:01:44 | blueworm | I begged the wife for 2 days... |
| 02:01:46 | godzirra | So out of curiousity, why isn't cover art supported yet in the normal rockbox builds? |
| 02:02:06 | godzirra | blueworm: Well, my wife really puts up with a lot of my crap when it comes to geek toys, so when she actually says no, I tend to listen. :) |
| 02:02:17 | godzirra | She did switch to rockbox last night on her nano though =) |
| 02:02:31 | blueworm | I just beg some more! ;) |
| 02:03:00 | godzirra | lol |
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| 02:03:59 | blueworm | I begged my wife 4 years for her to switch to linux exclusively. But I finally got my way... |
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| 02:04:40 | godzirra | Nah, I dont want my wife to switch to linux. |
| 02:04:43 | godzirra | I hate user support. :) |
| 02:05:07 | webguest39 | hey everybody, just a quick question. I'm trying to get rockbox on my 5.5g 30gig, i have the ipod_fw.patch, how do i apply it |
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| 02:05:09 | blueworm | I hate win user support more ;) |
| 02:05:17 | webguest39 | ipod_fw.exe opens and then closes real quick |
| 02:05:26 | godzirra | blueworm: my wife's dad does support for vdot. She calls him :) |
| 02:05:38 | godzirra | webguest39: you need the c code |
| 02:05:41 | godzirra | not the exe |
| 02:05:44 | TheMcPoon | Quick question : Are they, is anyone working on the button configuration of rockboy (I believe that's the GBC emulator) |
| 02:05:51 | blueworm | patch ipod_fw.c < ipod_fw.patch |
| 02:06:00 | webguest39 | where do i get that file? |
| 02:07:00 | blueworm | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.60 |
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| 02:07:36 | godzirra | Did someone answer my question and I just missed it? |
| 02:07:39 | webguest39 | ahh thanks a million |
| 02:07:40 | blueworm | paste the text into a editor and name it ipod_fw.patch |
| 02:07:49 | godzirra | ie... Out of curiousity, why isn't cover art supported yet in the normal rockbox builds? |
| 02:07:51 | webguest39 | yea i have that |
| 02:08:03 | godzirra | webguest39: if you don't know how to compile c programs, thats not going to help you much y et though. |
| 02:08:30 | webguest39 | wait im lost.... where's the ipod_fw.c file |
| 02:08:35 | webguest39 | i see the patch on the page |
| 02:09:04 | blueworm | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/ipod_fw.c |
| 02:09:08 | godzirra | Its a piece of code written in the c programming language. |
| 02:09:14 | godzirra | you have to compile it before you can run it. |
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| 02:09:33 | blueworm | gcc -o ipod_fw.c ipodfw |
| 02:09:36 | webguest39 | lol i know nothing about programming... but would i compile it in "cygwin" |
| 02:09:54 | * | blueworm blueworm screws up |
| 02:10:01 | godzirra | well, if you know how to compile the program, thats about all the programming knowledge you nmeed. |
| 02:10:11 | godzirra | but I dont know whether it works in cygwin or not, so I'll let someone else answer that one :) |
| 02:10:12 | blueworm | gcc -o ipod_fw.c ipod_fw |
| 02:10:24 | godzirra | uhh |
| 02:10:27 | godzirra | you typed the same thing :) |
| 02:10:27 | sneakums | on my 80G, the patched ipod_fw gives me a .bin that loads the bootloader |
| 02:10:28 | godzirra | you mean |
| 02:10:32 | godzirra | gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 02:10:35 | sneakums | but the bootloader itself doesn't work |
| 02:10:48 | godzirra | sneakums: what does it do? |
| 02:10:52 | blueworm | slap me |
| 02:11:00 | godzirra | ;) |
| 02:11:09 | webguest39 | wait but i have a 30g so its all good right? |
| 02:11:10 | webguest39 | lol |
| 02:11:12 | sneakums | godzirra: see the rockdox-dev message i linked from page 6 of the forum |
| 02:12:17 | godzirra | sneakums: Ahh, I have read it. I'm out of my league man :/ |
| 02:12:22 | godzirra | webguest39: I have it running on my 30gb now. |
| 02:12:27 | blueworm | I need to go to bed |
| 02:12:29 | sneakums | well, so am i |
| 02:12:33 | godzirra | I set mine up in linux though. |
| 02:12:44 | godzirra | sneakums: Yeah, but I know about enough C to think I know what I'm doing and break everything ;) |
| 02:13:11 | sneakums | whatever acts cannot be destroyed |
| 02:13:35 | webguest39 | is slax linuxy enough to install? |
| 02:13:35 | godzirra | My old hard drive acted as a target for a 9mm. It definitely could be destroyed. |
| 02:13:41 | webguest39 | what difference does it make? |
| 02:13:47 | godzirra | webguest39: if you know linux, pick one. Doesnt matter really. |
| 02:14:01 | * | blueworm scratches head |
| 02:14:20 | godzirra | yay |
| 02:14:27 | godzirra | i love being able to copy normally to my ipod :) |
| 02:14:37 | webguest39 | im following kalthera on the forum |
| 02:14:43 | webguest39 | on page 4 of the thread |
| 02:14:57 | godzirra | dont do that. |
| 02:15:06 | webguest39 | why not? |
| 02:15:11 | blueworm | gtkpod is not so bad, I just want to use flac |
| 02:15:21 | godzirra | webguest39: because you dont need to anymore. |
| 02:15:23 | godzirra | thats the hard old way. |
| 02:15:27 | sneakums | i want to use my 16,000 vorbis files |
| 02:15:32 | godzirra | -after- you patch ipod_fw.c |
| 02:15:33 | godzirra | and compile it |
| 02:15:37 | godzirra | follow this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 02:15:45 | godzirra | (assuming you're doing it from linux) |
| 02:15:54 | webguest39 | wait thats it? |
| 02:15:59 | godzirra | thats it. |
| 02:16:00 | webguest39 | that doesn't seem as hard |
| 02:16:04 | godzirra | Much easier. |
| 02:16:05 | godzirra | oh shit |
| 02:16:06 | godzirra | wait |
| 02:16:11 | webguest39 | yeah? |
| 02:16:11 | godzirra | dont listen to me. |
| 02:16:15 | godzirra | blueworm: you're turn to slap me. |
| 02:16:20 | godzirra | *your |
| 02:16:30 | godzirra | webguest39: you have to patch and compile rockbox for a 5.5g 30gb. |
| 02:16:43 | * | blueworm slaps godzirra |
| 02:16:56 | webguest39 | wait |
| 02:16:57 | Kalthare | The patch is up at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 |
| 02:17:07 | godzirra | Is there a build howto? |
| 02:17:09 | godzirra | somewhere? |
| 02:17:33 | blueworm | right here ;) |
| 02:17:38 | godzirra | Kalthare: So maybe you can answer where no one else did. How come there's not album art in the rockbox cvs yet? |
| 02:17:44 | godzirra | I don't care one way or another really... was mostly just curious. |
| 02:17:59 | Kalthare | godzirra: I wish I knew. I've been wondering that myself. I'm not an actual dev. |
| 02:18:08 | godzirra | webguest39: you have to compile rockbox from t he source to get it working on a 5.5g currently. |
| 02:18:15 | webguest39 | let me just get this straight: i patch the ipod_fw.c, what do I do with the 5.5-1.patch file? |
| 02:18:15 | godzirra | Kalthare: Bummer. I just assumed you were ;) |
| 02:18:31 | webguest39 | the 5.5-1 patch is for the rockbox source? |
| 02:18:38 | Soap | Which album art patch? Are there not more that one? Are they coded to standard? Is this going to be addressed by viewports also? |
| 02:18:39 | godzirra | webguest39: you have to get the rockbox code from cvs, setup the cross compiler, patch the rockbox source, and compile it. |
| 02:18:42 | Kalthare | webguest39: Yes |
| 02:18:55 | godzirra | Soap: I have no idea. |
| 02:19:10 | godzirra | Soap: Why not pick one the devs like most and put it in the rockbox code? |
| 02:19:45 | webguest39 | ah i appreciate all the help, so what exactly is the ipod_fw? is that the loader? |
| 02:19:53 | Kalthare | godzirra: I'm just a user who knows almost enough C to fake it, got a 30G iPod for my birthday, and spent a whole day learning the structure of FAT32 and how Rockbox accesses it.. |
| 02:19:53 | sneakums | because the one they like the most, or dislike the least, may still need work |
| 02:20:04 | godzirra | Heh |
| 02:20:20 | sneakums | webguest39: ipod_fw is used to combine the rockbox bootloader and the original apple firmware |
| 02:20:26 | godzirra | webguest39: the ipod_fw is how you get the bootloader built |
| 02:20:33 | godzirra | then you can use dd to put it back onto your ipod. |
| 02:20:45 | webguest39 | dd stands for? |
| 02:20:51 | sneakums | nothing useful |
| 02:20:58 | sneakums | it's just the name of the command you use |
| 02:21:04 | godzirra | disk donkey. |
| 02:21:10 | godzirra | Back in the day, a donkey was used to build disks from scratch. |
| 02:21:14 | godzirra | They named it dd as a reference. |
| 02:21:22 | * | godzirra shuts up now. |
| 02:21:25 | webguest39 | sorry I used to really know stuff like this like 6 months ago when i was working on ipodlinux on my old 5g but i've forgotten all of the info |
| 02:21:27 | blueworm | donkey disc |
| 02:21:42 | webguest39 | i really appreiciate all the help |
| 02:22:03 | godzirra | Its all good. I've bugged so many people on this channel I figure I have to help out when I actually know some of the answers. :) |
| 02:22:47 | webguest39 | but do i need to reformat my ipod like said in kalthares post? |
| 02:22:52 | godzirra | no |
| 02:23:07 | godzirra | That was before Kalthare came up with the 5.5-1 patch |
| 02:23:16 | Kalthare | I'm working on a new post right now. |
| 02:23:18 | godzirra | pretty much ignore almost all of that thread. |
| 02:23:19 | sneakums | now if we can just work out what's different on the 80G ipods |
| 02:23:49 | godzirra | I keep trying to get people to send me an 80G so I could help out... |
| 02:23:51 | godzirra | I'm so selfless... |
| 02:23:57 | godzirra | ;) |
| 02:24:03 | webguest39 | thanks Kalthare, i might just wait to do anything to read your post |
| 02:24:28 | webguest39 | for the general users however, wouldn't it just be easier to upload pre-patched files? |
| 02:24:54 | godzirra | I dunno. I had fun hex editing my bootloader. |
| 02:24:58 | sneakums | general users should probably wait until the FAT code can detect the sector size at runtime and use a regular 5G build |
| 02:25:01 | godzirra | But I'm that kind of geek ;) |
| 02:25:54 | godzirra | But I'm off for a bit. |
| 02:25:56 | * | godzirra waves. |
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| 02:25:59 | webguest39 | how hard would that be? |
| 02:26:03 | blueworm | cya |
| 02:26:05 | godzirra | webguest39: good luck. Remember you can always restore if you break everything. |
| 02:26:06 | webguest39 | c ya thanks |
| 02:26:07 | Kalthare | sneakums: Is that still the goal? |
| 02:26:48 | webguest39 | i mean is it a very possible goal or is it something that will require a lot of work and not be available at the earliest until months in the future? |
| 02:26:55 | sneakums | Kalthare: well, i think i saw a couple of developers say they don't want a separate port for the late 2006 ipods |
| 02:27:17 | sneakums | so that seems to be what would need to be done |
| 02:27:45 | sneakums | webguest39: it just depends on whether someone decides to do it, and when |
| 02:28:12 | Kalthare | sneakums: Right, but it'd take a lot of work, and introduce a lot of potential instability −− by which I mean FS corruption −− for everybody, not just the late-2006 users. |
| 02:28:38 | webguest39 | so since i really want rockbox my best bet would be to install it manually as i am doing now rather than wait |
| 02:28:53 | sneakums | well, it should be just a straight conversion of your patch form compile-time decisions to run-time decisions |
| 02:29:04 | sneakums | making sector_size a variable, and adding code to detect the sector size |
| 02:29:22 | Kalthare | sector_size is used to define a lot of buffers. |
| 02:29:53 | sneakums | aha |
| 02:30:01 | JdGordon | that shouldnt reallt be a problem... |
| 02:30:39 | blueworm | webguest39: All you need is a working bootloader.bin, rockbox.zip, ipod_fw |
| 02:30:43 | JdGordon | for the buffers, use the largest sector size, and then at runtime, just change the "size" of the buffer once the actual sector size is knownm |
| 02:30:57 | webguest39 | lol if you guys already have some could u just e-mail it to me? |
| 02:31:01 | sneakums | JdGordon: that's eat a lot of memory where it's not needed though |
| 02:31:04 | webguest39 | haha i know im lazy :-D |
| 02:31:25 | sneakums | well, if we ever get it working on 80G ipods, i'll take a look at making the patch runtime |
| 02:31:29 | JdGordon | sneakums: it will onl affect 1 build, and it has plenty of ram anyway |
| 02:31:40 | sneakums | JdGordon: waste not, want not |
| 02:32:37 | webguest39 | lol someone please email me the patched ipod_fw.exe, or even better could someone help me compile |
| 02:32:42 | sneakums | probably we'd need to see which SECTOR_SIZE usages are just "i want 512 bytes" and which are "i want a FAT sector" |
| 02:32:43 | webguest39 | i have cygwin open right now |
| 02:32:44 | JdGordon | or allocate the buffers at run time.. |
| 02:32:57 | sneakums | well, rockbox doesn't have dynamic meory allocation |
| 02:33:00 | sneakums | so that's tricky |
| 02:33:15 | JdGordon | no, but we can allocate ram before the audio is init |
| 02:33:44 | sneakums | ah, ok |
| 02:33:48 | * | sneakums makes more notes |
| 02:34:22 | JdGordon | it will need its own bootloader of course tho, but the rockbox.ipod shuold be able to work dynamically... |
| 02:34:30 | sneakums | and of course it's only static buffers that need to be checked |
| 02:34:50 | JdGordon | is SECTOR_SIZE the #define in the code? |
| 02:35:28 | webguest39 | do i need to do anything to the bootloader.bin? |
| 02:36:27 | * | JdGordon doesnt know this part of the code at all... but... |
| 02:36:47 | sneakums | JdGordon: in three places |
| 02:37:02 | JdGordon | a very quick search suggests it might be very possible with some #ifdef buggery to be able use SECTOR_SIZE dynamically... |
| 02:37:14 | JdGordon | can the sector size actually be read at runtime tho? |
| 02:37:27 | Kalthare | JdGordon: Yeah, it's in the FAT header |
| 02:37:27 | sneakums | JdGordon: i think it's in the fsinfo struct somewhere |
| 02:37:42 | JdGordon | ok, then it looks very doable |
| 02:37:59 | webguest39 | i'm typing "patch ipod_fw.c -i ipod_fw.patch" into cygwin but its not working |
| 02:38:05 | webguest39 | what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:38:13 | JdGordon | but, i doubt the bootloader can do anything dynamically, so definatly a new bootloader will be needed |
| 02:38:24 | sneakums | webguest39: patch -p1 -i ipod_fw.patch |
| 02:38:41 | sneakums | webguest39: it'll find the files to patch itself |
| 02:39:01 | webguest39 | i should have all these files on the root of my computer? |
| 02:39:07 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: The bootloader is just a cut-down version of Rockbox, so it can share the runtime detection. |
| 02:39:40 | webguest39 | i still get bash: patch: command not foud |
| 02:39:43 | webguest39 | found* |
| 02:39:48 | sneakums | webguest39: then you need to install patch |
| 02:39:54 | JdGordon | linuxstb__: i was thinking more for the buffer allocation, if it ends up being alloc'ed dynamically for the 5.xg |
| 02:40:08 | webguest39 | sneakums can i PM you? |
| 02:40:16 | sneakums | webguest39: no |
| 02:40:19 | scorche | webguest39: not possible |
| 02:40:21 | linuxstb__ | We're not short on RAM in the bootloader, so we can just allocate the worst-case statically. |
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| 02:40:49 | webguest39 | <sneakums> webguest39: then you need to install patch |
| 02:41:01 | webguest39 | isn't that what i'm trying to do right now? |
| 02:41:02 | linuxstb__ | We're only talking a few KB anyway. |
| 02:41:11 | * | JdGordon wishes he didnt have 2 assignments to do today, this sounds like much more fun than bloody work :'( |
| 02:41:33 | Kalthare | webguest39: patch is a program. You have to install it. |
| 02:41:41 | sneakums | webguest39: you need to install the program called patch, which you need in otder to be able to use the .patch file |
| 02:43:16 | webguest39 | i downloaded something but its just a bunch of .c files |
| 02:43:30 | sneakums | webguest39: use the cygwin installer to install the patch program |
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| 02:43:51 | sneakums | and most source code is "a bunch of .c files", so please try to be more specific |
| 02:43:58 | webguest39 | lol this is more complicated than i ever imagined and this is pretty basic stuff to you guys too lol |
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| 02:44:09 | webguest39 | here hold on just one sec |
| 02:45:08 | webguest39 | ok its files ike acconfig.h argmatch.c argmatch.h |
| 02:46:19 | Kalthare | ...is ipod_fw even useful in Windows? |
| 02:46:50 | webguest39 | im so confused, but its an .exe |
| 02:46:54 | sneakums | it should work under cygwin |
| 02:47:16 | Kalthare | But how do you write the image to the iPod in Windows? |
| 02:47:21 | sneakums | you could probably built it with mingw too, i don't recall it looking like mucyh more than ansi C |
| 02:47:25 | sneakums | ipodpatcher.exe |
| 02:47:41 | sneakums | which is does the 'dd' part of the install |
| 02:47:57 | Kalthare | Oh, okay. Sorry −− I'm just making sure. |
| 02:48:02 | Joely | has anyone got around to hooking up JTAG on the Sansa e200s? i still need to find the 7pin to 20 pin schematics to use with my arm wiggler... |
| 02:48:03 | webguest39 | is there a site that has a tutorial to set up cygwin properly with 'patch' |
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| 02:48:10 | linuxstb | Yes, ipod_fw.c is compiled with mingw for win32. |
| 02:48:47 | Kalthare | webguest39: Did you try using cygwin's setup.exe and installing it from there? |
| 02:50:09 | webguest39 | would i chose "install from locally"? |
| 02:50:23 | sneakums | no, you want to install from HTTP or FTP |
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| 02:50:40 | webguest39 | yes, i installed from the internet already |
| 02:50:43 | sneakums | the installer should be able to download the package for you and install it |
| 02:50:46 | webguest39 | but you guys say i need "patch" |
| 02:50:49 | sneakums | but you didn't install patch |
| 02:51:00 | sneakums | so you need to install that, with setup.exe, from the internet |
| 02:51:19 | linuxstb | The Cygwin setup.exe gives you a long list of applications (packages) you can choose to install. patch should be one of them. |
| 02:51:47 | webguest39 | ok im at the part where it says "install packages:" |
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| 02:51:59 | jhMikeS | build systems hung again...this happens a lot to me :'( |
| 02:52:05 | webguest39 | what category would it be under? |
| 02:52:56 | Joely | or if you wanted a more native patch..... http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnuwin32/patch-2.5.9-6-bin.zip |
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| 02:54:11 | webguest39 | haha everytime i click a link since im in firefox it exits irc |
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| 02:54:46 | Kalthare | webguest39: Does your mouse have a wheel? |
| 02:54:57 | | Part pixelma |
| 02:54:59 | webguest39 | nope its a laser |
| 02:55:10 | Kalthare | I mean a scrollwheel. |
| 02:55:17 | jhMikeS | A "la-ser" |
| 02:55:18 | webguest39 | yea |
| 02:55:44 | Kalthare | Try clicking on links with that instead of the left button. It should open the link in a new tab. |
| 02:55:55 | webguest39 | ok thanks |
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| 02:57:15 | webguest39 | is there another compiling program you would suggest other than cygwin, i do not see "patch" as a package to install |
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| 02:58:36 | Joely | well...i suggested using a native binary for patch instead of the cygwin layer...haha |
| 02:59:50 | webguest39 | when im typing the command how does it know where the patch is located, wouldn't i need to give a location? |
| 02:59:56 | jhMikeS | webguest39: forget cygwin. use vmware |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:07 | webguest39 | and run linux? |
| 03:00:24 | scorche | use the rockbox vmware image |
| 03:00:31 | jhMikeS | waaaaayy faster |
| 03:00:36 | scorche | indeed |
| 03:00:36 | webguest39 | where can i obtain this? lol |
| 03:00:49 | scorche | webguest39: search the wiki for VMware |
| 03:01:03 | jhMikeS | just gotta watch the memory config before you start it. it wants too much |
| 03:01:08 | scorche | there should be a paget hat is building a vmware development environment or something like that |
| 03:01:25 | jhMikeS | yes in the wiki under "for developers" |
| 03:01:25 | JdGordon | do SECTOR_SIZE in ata.flash.c and ata.c have to be kept in sync? |
| 03:01:32 | JdGordon | and ata_mmc.c |
| 03:01:43 | scorche | jhMikeS: searching works too =P |
| 03:01:50 | jhMikeS | hehe |
| 03:02:02 | Kalthare | JdGordon: We don't have a need to touch SECTOR_SIZE in ata*.c, I'm pretty sure. |
| 03:02:19 | jhMikeS | does /me spout on and on about debian or what? |
| 03:02:20 | JdGordon | thats where its defined as 512 |
| 03:02:49 | Kalthare | JdGordon: That's for the actual hard drive, and it _is_ 512. The one you want is in fat.h |
| 03:03:08 | jhMikeS | yeah...get fat! :) |
| 03:03:15 | JdGordon | ah |
| 03:03:36 | webguest39 | ok so install vmplayer and rockbox image or w.e (the 184 megabyte file) |
| 03:03:48 | webguest39 | it'll take about 10 min to download i'll brb |
| 03:04:01 | jhMikeS | webguest: yup...needs about 2gb! worth it though |
| 03:04:32 | jhMikeS | I might suggest changing the memory setting in rockbox.vmx to 32MB. It's more than enough |
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| 03:04:59 | jhMikeS | You can change it from the UI but if it doesn't start due to memory problems that's how to fix it. |
| 03:06:35 | Kalthare | BRB |
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| 03:08:55 | JdGordon | ok, well if someone gives me the functon to get the fat sector size its possible its all ready to go |
| 03:09:23 | JdGordon | with a fair bit of wasted RAM is the size is 512, but that can be fixed later |
| 03:10:05 | webguest39 | how do adjust the memory in vmplayer? |
| 03:11:48 | Kalthare | JdGordon: it's stored in fat_bpb->bpb_bytspersec |
| 03:11:52 | jhMikeS | in the UI under player->preferences |
| 03:12:14 | jhMikeS | wait no |
| 03:13:09 | webguest39 | it says i have to open the vmx file first but i don't wanna open it knowing it will crash my system |
| 03:13:12 | jhMikeS | player->troubleshoot->change memory allocation... |
| 03:13:27 | webguest39 | do i open the vmx file first? |
| 03:13:32 | jhMikeS | open the vmx file in a text editor |
| 03:13:34 | JdGordon | is there anything else which would need to be done apart from this change for the .5g to work? |
| 03:13:59 | webguest39 | why open it in a text editor? |
| 03:14:19 | jhMikeS | if you want the memory smaller set memsize = "32" |
| 03:14:35 | Kalthare | JdGordon: The 80GB model seems to need more work, but the 2K sectors are the only problem for the 30GB model. |
| 03:14:45 | jhMikeS | it's enough. it doesn't need 128MB. After that double click it to start |
| 03:14:49 | webguest39 | what size would u suggest |
| 03:14:55 | webguest39 | i have 1 gig of ram on this computer |
| 03:14:58 | jhMikeS | see above :) |
| 03:15:02 | webguest39 | 32? |
| 03:15:19 | jhMikeS | oh...then you're probably safe but it's still excessive...yes 32 |
| 03:15:47 | jhMikeS | I haven't tried to see what the absolute min should be though |
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| 03:18:22 | JdGordon | Kalthare: ok, well it now compiles... no idea if it works or not |
| 03:18:27 | * | JdGordon doesnt have a 5.5g |
| 03:19:41 | blueworm | I'll try it |
| 03:20:23 | webguest39 | alright i have the rockbox in vmplayer, now lets start again |
| 03:20:48 | JdGordon | blueworm: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6170 |
| 03:20:54 | JdGordon | Kalthare: ^ |
| 03:21:58 | webguest39 | how do i compile in rockbox.vmx? |
| 03:22:24 | jhMikeS | webguest39: you have the CVS |
| 03:22:26 | jhMikeS | ? |
| 03:22:36 | * | JdGordon is heading of to uni, back in 2 hours or so, plz lemme know if that patch works |
| 03:22:54 | webguest39 | nope lol sorry, yet another stupid question, what's the CVS? |
| 03:23:05 | jhMikeS | heh...the source code |
| 03:23:11 | webguest39 | oh ok |
| 03:23:25 | webguest39 | well actually first i need to patch the ipod_fw.exe |
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| 03:25:06 | jhMikeS | you need the source code to apply a patch |
| 03:25:18 | Kalthare | I'm restoring my iPod right now −− I won't be able to check it until that's done. |
| 03:25:33 | webguest39 | ipod_fw.c? |
| 03:25:45 | webguest39 | i have that its located at C:/ |
| 03:26:12 | jhMikeS | theres no c:\ in linux...you should be in /home/user |
| 03:26:42 | webguest39 | how do i transfer files from windows to vmplayer (/home/user) |
| 03:27:18 | jhMikeS | //debian/user to get at it through explorer |
| 03:27:25 | Kalthare | Actually.. I'm looking at this patch, and I don't think it's going to work. |
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| 03:27:34 | jhMikeS | \\debian\user rather |
| 03:28:16 | webguest39 | where do i type this in, i right click and get a list of program |
| 03:28:17 | webguest39 | s |
| 03:28:19 | jhMikeS | you can map a network drive to that for the future |
| 03:28:23 | jhMikeS | run dialog |
| 03:28:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:29:22 | webguest39 | can't find it.... |
| 03:29:33 | jhMikeS | start->run... |
| 03:29:45 | webguest39 | in windows? |
| 03:29:48 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 03:29:52 | webguest39 | ooo haha |
| 03:30:15 | webguest39 | ok what should i run? |
| 03:30:27 | jhMikeS | type: \\debian\user |
| 03:30:55 | webguest39 | drag and drop the files into the folder? |
| 03:30:59 | jhMikeS | yep |
| 03:31:24 | webguest39 | ok |
| 03:31:29 | jhMikeS | like I said you might want to map a network drive so it will always be in explorer |
| 03:32:22 | webguest39 | ok i did |
| 03:32:42 | jhMikeS | still gotta get the source :) |
| 03:32:55 | webguest39 | these are the files i copied |
| 03:33:30 | webguest39 | ipod_fx.exe, ipod_fw.c ipod_fw.patch ipodpatcher.exe 5.5-1.patch |
| 03:34:38 | webguest39 | do i need the actual rockbox source, and also should i get the album art patch while we're at it |
| 03:34:56 | jhMikeS | you need the source, yes |
| 03:35:29 | jhMikeS | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform explains |
| 03:37:16 | webguest39 | thanks |
| 03:37:30 | jhMikeS | np |
| 03:37:48 | godzirra | Ok, I just copied all my music over and then foudn out that my rockbox won't boot. |
| 03:38:04 | godzirra | the bootloader says that it can't find the rockbox installation and tries to boot the original firmware |
| 03:38:07 | webguest39 | so i just copy the code thats listed uner "compiling" |
| 03:38:08 | godzirra | it then immediately reboots. |
| 03:38:28 | jhMikeS | not literally |
| 03:38:51 | jhMikeS | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 03:39:18 | godzirra | anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:39:27 | webguest39 | i type that in? |
| 03:39:35 | jhMikeS | make sure you're in /home/user |
| 03:39:38 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 03:39:51 | Kalthare | godzirra: Did you have it working before? |
| 03:39:57 | jhMikeS | your in the eterm window right? |
| 03:40:09 | godzirra | Kalthare: with the old hexedit + mtools method, yes. |
| 03:40:28 | blueworm | make sure you have not deleted .rockbox/ or rockbox.ipod |
| 03:40:41 | godzirra | Its still there. |
| 03:40:51 | godzirra | And even if I had, it should boot the original ipod firmware, shouldnt it? |
| 03:42:22 | Kalthare | godzirra: You've got a proper MBR and filesystem now, right? |
| 03:42:32 | sneakums | godzirra: if you've switched to the 2K sectors patch you'll need to reformat with 2K/sec FAT |
| 03:42:38 | godzirra | Kalthare: The filesystem shows up if I mount it normally in linux. |
| 03:42:58 | godzirra | sneakums: I did a sytem restore. in itunes before I intsalled rockbox. Is that not enough? |
| 03:43:16 | godzirra | god, sorry for the bad typing. Getting bad lag between here and my linux box. |
| 03:43:28 | sneakums | no, that should have done it, and it sounds like it did since you're mounting it |
| 03:43:57 | godzirra | I guess I could have screwed up the ipod build... |
| 03:44:00 | godzirra | but I'm not sure how |
| 03:44:15 | godzirra | the patches all worked fine, after rnning configure I added the line Kalthare told me to add to autoconf.h |
| 03:44:27 | Kalthare | godzirra: Can you verify with a hex editor that the bootloader was installed at 0x5000 in the partition? |
| 03:44:31 | godzirra | and after that, I just did "make" then "make zip" |
| 03:44:39 | godzirra | Kalthare: how? |
| 03:44:49 | godzirra | I can if you explain how to do that :) |
| 03:44:54 | Kalthare | godzirra: You recompiled the bootloader too, right? |
| 03:45:13 | webguest39 | ok i have the source copied into a folder |
| 03:45:16 | webguest39 | should i rename it? |
| 03:45:17 | godzirra | Kalthare: I patched ipod_fw.c an compiled it. |
| 03:45:25 | jhMikeS | copied? |
| 03:45:26 | godzirra | then followed the install as per the ipod installation on linux doc. |
| 03:45:39 | webguest39 | right now it says rockbox-dailybuild-bunch of numbers |
| 03:45:44 | jhMikeS | no |
| 03:45:52 | Kalthare | godzirra: You need a recompiled bootloader.bin, too. |
| 03:45:53 | webguest39 | 20061001 |
| 03:45:59 | godzirra | Ahhh crud. |
| 03:46:02 | jhMikeS | goto linux and right click |
| 03:46:04 | webguest39 | 1011* |
| 03:46:11 | webguest39 | ook |
| 03:46:17 | godzirra | where can I find one of those? |
| 03:46:27 | godzirra | Or instructions on how to compile bootloader-video.bin? |
| 03:46:37 | jhMikeS | in the menu under xshells click eterm |
| 03:46:39 | Kalthare | godzirra: Make another build directory, and at the second prompt in the configure script, pick the 'b' option for a bootloader build. |
| 03:46:47 | godzirra | ahh |
| 03:46:59 | pagefault | I wish rockbox could play .aa |
| 03:47:00 | webguest39 | ok |
| 03:47:02 | pagefault | stupid patents |
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| 03:47:12 | godzirra | .aa? |
| 03:47:17 | pagefault | audible |
| 03:47:29 | pagefault | DRNed but it's weak |
| 03:47:42 | jhMikeS | webguest39: then type that line I have you at the "/home/user" prompt |
| 03:47:48 | Kalthare | godzirra: Add the line to autoconf.h again, too. You should see "#warning PATCHED" when it compiles fat.c if you did it right. |
| 03:48:05 | godzirra | ok |
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| 03:48:22 | Kalthare | godzirra: Once it's done compiling, bootloader/bootloader.bin is the file you want. |
| 03:48:25 | webguest39 | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 03:48:30 | webguest39 | ? |
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| 03:48:42 | jhMikeS | yes that...you're in the eterm window now right? |
| 03:49:11 | webguest39 | yea im typing it in |
| 03:49:35 | godzirra | Kalthare: got it. And rerun the line that generates rockbox.bin? |
| 03:49:47 | godzirra | crap. I dont think I checked out the bootloader. |
| 03:49:48 | jhMikeS | when it asks for a password just hit enter |
| 03:50:39 | webguest39 | ok a bunch of files are scrolling down |
| 03:50:52 | jhMikeS | should be getting the source now |
| 03:51:00 | Kalthare | godzirra: Er, I guess in that case you need to checkout rockbox-devel instead of just rockbox |
| 03:51:12 | * | godzirra nods |
| 03:51:16 | godzirra | looking up teh syntax again |
| 03:51:20 | godzirra | I'm not a cvs fan. |
| 03:51:23 | * | godzirra loves svn :) |
| 03:52:04 | | Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") |
| 03:52:20 | Kalthare | Anyway, I'm gonna have to idle for a little while. I'll be back soon. |
| 03:52:28 | * | godzirra waves |
| 03:52:29 | godzirra | thanks again |
| 03:52:33 | Kalthare | np |
| 03:52:52 | webguest39 | alright its done with all the files now |
| 03:53:08 | webguest39 | lol is this the part where i apply the patches? |
| 03:53:10 | jhMikeS | type cd rockbox-devel |
| 03:53:39 | jhMikeS | almost there... |
| 03:54:00 | webguest39 | ok it says ~/rockbox-devels$ |
| 03:54:16 | jhMikeS | what player you got? |
| 03:55:26 | fivegipodrockbox | is there anyway to shuffle by directory? |
| 03:55:36 | webguest39 | what do you mean? |
| 03:55:46 | webguest39 | (to jhMikeS) |
| 03:55:48 | jhMikeS | you have to make a directory under /rockbox-devel anything you like but usually the player name or something |
| 03:56:03 | jhMikeS | mkdir <player> |
| 03:56:19 | jhMikeS | <player> being anything directory name |
| 03:56:38 | jhMikeS | then cd <player> |
| 03:56:52 | webguest39 | ok |
| 03:57:09 | webguest39 | i just named it player, it doesn't seem like anything happened |
| 03:57:09 | jhMikeS | then ../tools/configure |
| 03:57:22 | jhMikeS | type ls to see if it's there |
| 03:57:37 | jhMikeS | are you in "player" ? |
| 03:57:47 | webguest39 | it says tools/configure doesn't exist |
| 03:57:53 | webguest39 | am I in windows or in linux? |
| 03:58:03 | jhMikeS | all this is in linux |
| 03:58:15 | webguest39 | ok |
| 03:58:33 | webguest39 | it says |
| 03:58:36 | jhMikeS | ? |
| 03:59:14 | webguest39 | user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/player$ /tools/configure |
| 03:59:22 | webguest39 | bash: no such file or directory |
| 03:59:35 | jhMikeS | ../tools/configure <== !! |
| 03:59:53 | jhMikeS | dont forget the ".." |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:08 | webguest39 | ooh |
| 04:00:21 | webguest39 | ahh alright |
| 04:00:37 | jhMikeS | pick your player number, then pick N for the build |
| 04:00:37 | webguest39 | now i get a list of mp3 players |
| 04:00:58 | Kalthare | jhMikeS: What about the patch? |
| 04:01:12 | webguest39 | yeah, do i apply the 5.5 patch later? |
| 04:01:15 | jhMikeS | you have to configure it to even build the patched version |
| 04:01:37 | jhMikeS | yes but get it configured |
| 04:01:46 | webguest39 | alright it says created Makefile |
| 04:01:57 | jhMikeS | do you want to test build now or patch now? |
| 04:02:15 | webguest39 | patch i guess |
| 04:02:30 | webguest39 | i'd also like to add the album art patches |
| 04:02:54 | jhMikeS | I think the two patches require a different strategy |
| 04:03:10 | webguest39 | ok |
| 04:03:22 | webguest39 | well the 5.5g patch is obviously more important |
| 04:03:24 | jhMikeS | ipod_fw.c is under rockbox-devel/tools |
| 04:03:56 | webguest39 | yup i see it in windows explorer |
| 04:03:56 | jhMikeS | copy the patch there to make it easy...can do that from explorer |
| 04:04:19 | webguest39 | this is the 5.5-1.patch file, correct? |
| 04:04:29 | webguest39 | or is it ipod_fw.patch? |
| 04:04:50 | jhMikeS | the .patch is the patch which will be added to ipod_fw.c |
| 04:05:00 | | Quit Soap ("Someone dropped the soap!") |
| 04:05:21 | webguest39 | so the ipod_fw.patch |
| 04:05:27 | webguest39 | the one i got off like page 5 in the forums |
| 04:05:39 | jhMikeS | I guess :) |
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| 04:05:56 | Kalthare | You need 5.5-1.patch to get Rockbox to actually run. |
| 04:06:02 | webguest39 | alright i copied ipod_fw.patch |
| 04:06:14 | webguest39 | when do i apply the 5.5-1 patch? |
| 04:06:43 | jhMikeS | if you've got the two files together, now |
| 04:06:53 | webguest39 | i have them both |
| 04:06:56 | webguest39 | i'll copy the other one |
| 04:07:10 | jhMikeS | don't overwrite the ipod_fw.c |
| 04:07:22 | webguest39 | no there both .patch files |
| 04:07:30 | jhMikeS | You can copy the album art to rockbox-devel |
| 04:07:30 | webguest39 | ok there under the tools folder now |
| 04:07:36 | godzirra | Kalthare: same error :/ |
| 04:07:38 | webguest39 | ok |
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| 04:08:07 | jhMikeS | it's two different patchings |
| 04:08:15 | godzirra | Kalthare: after erbuilding the bootloader.bin file, I just have to rerun the command where I build the rockboot.bin, right? |
| 04:08:49 | Kalthare | godzirra: Yeah. Make sure you're using the patched ipod_fw. |
| 04:08:56 | godzirra | I am :/ |
| 04:09:00 | hcs | will floating point work on coldfire targets? |
| 04:09:16 | Kalthare | godzirra: Make sure you were using the patched ipod_fw when you extracted the Apple firmware, too. |
| 04:09:38 | godzirra | i thought I was... |
| 04:09:49 | jhMikeS | webguest39: actually copy them both to rockbox-devel |
| 04:10:03 | godzirra | well, the bootpartition.bin will be right, regardless of if I used the ipod_w that was pached, right? |
| 04:10:11 | jhMikeS | webguest39: and go into rockbox-devel |
| 04:10:12 | webguest39 | under tools or just to devel? |
| 04:10:34 | Kalthare | godzirra: Yeah. |
| 04:10:36 | jhMikeS | not under tools... now know what the intent is |
| 04:10:40 | godzirra | Kalthare: or do I need to do a restore and just start from scratch? |
| 04:10:50 | jhMikeS | into the directory "rockbox-devel" |
| 04:10:55 | godzirra | oh, thats right... you use dd for bootpartition.bin. duh. |
| 04:11:12 | Kalthare | godzirra: Do you still have the scrollback from when you built it? |
| 04:11:24 | godzirra | let me check |
| 04:11:43 | godzirra | From when I built which part? |
| 04:11:47 | webguest39 | ok |
| 04:12:02 | Kalthare | godzirra: The bootloader. |
| 04:12:04 | jhMikeS | from rockbox-devel type : patch -p1 -i ipod_fw.patch |
| 04:12:09 | webguest39 | is the bmp resize artwork patch enough? |
| 04:12:25 | godzirra | no, I odont think so. |
| 04:12:28 | godzirra | I can rebuild it though. |
| 04:13:03 | webguest39 | rightnow im in player$ |
| 04:13:07 | webguest39 | how do i go up a level? |
| 04:13:09 | jhMikeS | type cd .. |
| 04:13:42 | Kalthare | godzirra: Make sure you see "#warning PATCHED" in the output. |
| 04:14:29 | jhMikeS | webguest39: ".." means "up one level" btw |
| 04:14:34 | | Quit fivegipodrockbox ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 04:15:20 | webguest39 | it gave me a lot of errors |
| 04:15:23 | webguest39 | i think im in the wrong level |
| 04:15:30 | webguest39 | but wait |
| 04:15:31 | sneakums | hcs: afaik coldfire has no fpu |
| 04:15:34 | webguest39 | it says file to patch: |
| 04:15:44 | jhMikeS | hmmmm hit "ctrl-c" |
| 04:15:58 | webguest39 | ok |
| 04:16:00 | sneakums | hcs: oh, i'm wrong |
| 04:16:06 | jhMikeS | try: patch -p0 -i ipod_fw.patch |
| 04:16:43 | jhMikeS | webguest39: where's that patch located? I wanna have a look at it. |
| 04:16:43 | hcs | sneakums: even if it didn't, I take it the build wouldn't succeed if there wasn't software level FP support |
| 04:16:58 | webguest39 | under rockbox-devel |
| 04:17:12 | jhMikeS | I mean on the site |
| 04:17:15 | Kalthare | ipod_fw.patch is an individual file diff |
| 04:17:29 | webguest39 | oh |
| 04:17:29 | webguest39 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.60 |
| 04:17:39 | webguest39 | reply 63 i think |
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| 04:19:09 | jhMikeS | ok you still have a copy in tools? |
| 04:19:22 | webguest39 | nope |
| 04:19:25 | webguest39 | i can add one tho |
| 04:19:38 | webguest39 | done |
| 04:19:53 | jhMikeS | go back to tools and type: patch ipod_fw.c -i ipod_fw.patch |
| 04:21:13 | webguest39 | how do i go back to tools |
| 04:21:19 | webguest39 | by typing it in it says it doesn't exist |
| 04:21:25 | jhMikeS | cd tools |
| 04:21:30 | Kalthare | http://kalthare.dyndns.org/rockbox-ipod5g2k-daily-20061011.zip |
| 04:21:41 | webguest39 | no file or directory |
| 04:21:44 | godzirra | Kalthare: I shuld see the warning on a compilation of rockbox as well as on a compilation of the bootloader, right? |
| 04:21:59 | webguest39 | it says user@debian:~$ |
| 04:22:17 | jhMikeS | cd /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools |
| 04:22:30 | Kalthare | godzirra: Yeah, both. When compiling fat.c. Try that file I just put up −− it has both the bootloader and the rockbox.zip, both verified just now to work. |
| 04:23:11 | godzirra | the bootloader.bin I need to still combine with teh apple_os right? |
| 04:23:16 | blueworm | I've done a patch wich includes ipod_fw.c.patch + 5.5-1.patch + configure(#define FAT_2K_SECTORS) that fixes the annoying autoconf.h |
| 04:23:35 | webguest39 | it says 1 out of 2 hunks failed |
| 04:23:59 | godzirra | Edit ipod_fw.c and change 0x4400 to 0x4800 |
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| 04:24:19 | Kalthare | blueworm: Can you post it as a response on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 ? |
| 04:24:30 | webguest39 | godzirra is that to me? |
| 04:24:39 | godzirra | yes |
| 04:24:54 | Kalthare | godzirra: Yeah, using the patched ipod_fw of course. |
| 04:24:55 | jhMikeS | don't use notepad for that or you'll get windows linefeeds in it |
| 04:24:56 | godzirra | Kalthare: I have to still make rockboot.bin with that bootloader.bin right? |
| 04:24:59 | godzirra | ok |
| 04:25:08 | godzirra | bootloader.bin just takes the place of bootloader-video.bin |
| 04:25:20 | Kalthare | yes, exactly. |
| 04:26:08 | webguest39 | ok i edited in wordpad |
| 04:26:11 | godzirra | k. |
| 04:26:32 | jhMikeS | uh oh |
| 04:26:59 | Davide-NYC | Nero encoded AAC playback! w00t! \o/ |
| 04:27:12 | Kalthare | It probably doesn't matter if ipod_fw.c has CRs in it anyway... |
| 04:27:43 | webguest39 | alright now what? |
| 04:27:51 | jhMikeS | try the patch thing again |
| 04:28:07 | jhMikeS | patch ipod_fw.c -i ipod_fw.patch |
| 04:28:11 | | Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") |
| 04:28:26 | webguest39 | now it says 2 out of 2 hunks failed |
| 04:28:29 | Kalthare | Umn, isn't it already patched now? |
| 04:28:33 | webguest39 | ended unexpectedly in the middle |
| 04:28:38 | webguest39 | of a line |
| 04:28:50 | jhMikeS | Does changing the 0x4400 to 0x4800 complete the patching? |
| 04:28:54 | Kalthare | Yes. |
| 04:29:01 | jhMikeS | then he's done |
| 04:29:02 | Kalthare | It's the hunk that fails. |
| 04:29:03 | webguest39 | cool |
| 04:29:18 | webguest39 | now to apply the other patches |
| 04:29:31 | jhMikeS | I guess what you have to gcc it |
| 04:30:21 | jhMikeS | gcc -o ipod_fw.c (from the tools directory) |
| 04:30:52 | jhMikeS | gcc ipod_fw.c -o ipod_fw |
| 04:30:56 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 04:30:59 | webguest39 | im in the tools |
| 04:31:07 | webguest39 | it says no input files |
| 04:31:07 | jhMikeS | I know use the second one |
| 04:31:21 | webguest39 | sorry my irc lagged :) |
| 04:31:28 | godzirra | Kalthare: awesome. that worked :) |
| 04:31:42 | Kalthare | godzirra: Cool. :) |
| 04:31:45 | webguest39 | ok did that |
| 04:31:56 | jhMikeS | no errors? cool |
| 04:32:00 | Kalthare | Okay, gotta idle again. |
| 04:32:11 | webguest39 | it didn't say anything |
| 04:32:40 | webguest39 | just went to the next line (~rockbox-devel/tools$) |
| 04:32:40 | godzirra | Kalthare: dont suppose you have a build that supports album art? *grin* |
| 04:32:50 | jhMikeS | good |
| 04:33:10 | Kalthare | godzirra: Not yet. I intend to make one −− if and when I do, I'll post it for you. |
| 04:33:12 | jhMikeS | now cd ../tools/rockbox-devel |
| 04:33:19 | Kalthare | Idling for real now. |
| 04:33:23 | jhMikeS | I mean ../rockbox-devel |
| 04:33:40 | godzirra | Kalthare: I appreciate it :) |
| 04:33:44 | jhMikeS | fget it just ".." :) (tired) |
| 04:33:50 | godzirra | i'm going to go play some ps2 noww. THanks again for all your help :) |
| 04:34:01 | jhMikeS | you want to go back to rockbox-devel that's all |
| 04:34:33 | webguest39 | its not working lol |
| 04:34:45 | jhMikeS | what's the prompt say? |
| 04:35:02 | webguest39 | no such directory |
| 04:35:14 | jhMikeS | type cd /home/user/rockbox-devel to get back |
| 04:35:48 | webguest39 | ok worked this time |
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| 04:36:01 | blueworm | Kalthare: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 that should make it a little less painfull |
| 04:36:17 | jhMikeS | now patch -p0 < <patchfile> |
| 04:36:37 | jhMikeS | <patchfile> being the patch to apply |
| 04:38:07 | webguest39 | something went wrong and now im getting blank lines |
| 04:38:22 | jhMikeS | hit ctrl-c |
| 04:38:24 | webguest39 | im not getting the "user@debian" |
| 04:38:30 | webguest39 | thanks |
| 04:38:47 | jhMikeS | you need to include the "<" |
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| 04:38:55 | webguest39 | ahh |
| 04:38:57 | | Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") |
| 04:39:10 | jhMikeS | or just patch -p0 -i <patchfile> |
| 04:39:16 | | Quit webguest45 (Client Quit) |
| 04:39:18 | jhMikeS | there's two ways to do it |
| 04:39:56 | webguest39 | it asks for the file to patch |
| 04:40:05 | jhMikeS | ctrl-c again |
| 04:40:21 | webguest39 | should i move the patch to a different directory? |
| 04:40:23 | jhMikeS | it shouldn't ask for that |
| 04:40:32 | jhMikeS | you're in rockbox-devel and so is the patch? |
| 04:40:40 | webguest39 | yea |
| 04:41:03 | jhMikeS | you can try -p1 instead of -p0 and see if that works |
| 04:41:34 | jhMikeS | patch -p1 -i patchfile.patch |
| 04:41:43 | webguest39 | looks like it worked, a few lines failed |
| 04:41:53 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
| 04:41:55 | webguest39 | how important is the -i |
| 04:42:00 | webguest39 | lol i forgot it |
| 04:42:15 | jhMikeS | you can use the "<" or the "-i" |
| 04:42:27 | webguest39 | o ok |
| 04:42:37 | webguest39 | well the album art isn't as important right now |
| 04:42:57 | webguest39 | the patch i still need to apply is th 5.5-1.patch |
| 04:42:59 | jhMikeS | youd better do patch -p1 -R -i patchfile.patch first |
| 04:43:20 | jhMikeS | or type: cvs up -dPC |
| 04:43:28 | jhMikeS | do the second one |
| 04:43:49 | webguest39 | ok its "updating |
| 04:44:11 | jhMikeS | that'll get rid of the partially failed one |
| 04:44:38 | webguest39 | alright its doen |
| 04:45:00 | jhMikeS | Kalthare: is the 5.5-1.patch a normal cvs type patch? |
| 04:45:37 | webguest39 | kalthare: are you eventually going to post your builds? :-D |
| 04:45:44 | | Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 04:45:58 | Kalthare | It's a -p1 patch, if that's what you're asking... |
| 04:46:10 | Kalthare | http://kalthare.dyndns.org/rockbox-ipod5g2k-daily-20061011.zip |
| 04:46:13 | jhMikeS | do: patch -p1 -i 5.5-1.patch |
| 04:46:36 | jhMikeS | webguest39: same way as the album art one |
| 04:47:41 | Davide-NYC | What does "I40:PDIR1FULL at 00000000" mean? |
| 04:47:41 | | Quit webguest39 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 04:48:17 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: is mean your going to have to scrap your player :) |
| 04:48:27 | Davide-NYC | I do not believe you |
| 04:48:30 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
| 04:48:30 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 04:48:51 | jhMikeS | Noone's sure what those mean. What were you doing? |
| 04:49:49 | Davide-NYC | woah! reproducible |
| 04:50:03 | Davide-NYC | it must be from the new AAC code |
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| 04:50:07 | jhMikeS | doing what with what? |
| 04:50:16 | jhMikeS | ahh ... yes could be |
| 04:50:21 | webguest39 | sorry my irc just froze |
| 04:50:25 | webguest39 | it patched |
| 04:50:31 | Davide-NYC | playing back a nero_400.m4a |
| 04:50:40 | Davide-NYC | going into view audio thread |
| 04:50:52 | jhMikeS | webguest39: go into player directory |
| 04:51:06 | jhMikeS | webguest39: type: make |
| 04:51:20 | webguest39 | im still having trouble navigating |
| 04:51:21 | Davide-NYC | gross! OF :-( |
| 04:51:22 | webguest39 | what do i type |
| 04:51:27 | Kalthare | Don't type make yet |
| 04:51:38 | webguest39 | ok |
| 04:52:17 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: hmmm...could be dividing by zero...but on x5 I get PDIR2FULL when I do that!?! |
| 04:52:20 | Kalthare | And actually, I put up prebuilt binaries of Rockbox and the bootloader for the 5.5. Want to use those? |
| 04:52:29 | webguest39 | yes!! |
| 04:52:29 | webguest39 | haha |
| 04:52:33 | Kalthare | http://kalthare.dyndns.org/rockbox-ipod5g2k-daily-20061011.zip |
| 04:52:43 | webguest39 | how do i install it on my ipod |
| 04:52:51 | jhMikeS | Third time those links have been posted! |
| 04:53:04 | jhMikeS | But it's good to learn how to do things anyway |
| 04:53:06 | webguest39 | yea i already downloaded it but im not sure what to do with them |
| 04:53:16 | webguest39 | yea jhMikeS u are like a godsend |
| 04:53:46 | jhMikeS | webguest39: I get a lot of help so I figure why not give some back :) |
| 04:53:52 | Davide-NYC | webguest39: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial76.html |
| 04:53:55 | Kalthare | Well, the bootloader.bin is the file you use instead of bootloader-video.bin in the instructions.. and the rockbox.zip is what you unpack onto your iPod |
| 04:54:56 | * | jhMikeS has to step out for about 30...be back in a bit |
| 04:56:42 | webguest39 | but do i need a patched ipow_fw.exe? |
| 04:57:01 | Kalthare | yes. Do you have the patched ipod_fw.c file? |
| 04:57:18 | webguest39 | not sure if it really turned out that great |
| 04:57:25 | webguest39 | do you have yours uploaded? |
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| 04:57:54 | Kalthare | Er.. I can. Gimme a sec. |
| 04:58:02 | webguest39 | ahh thank you |
| 04:59:32 | Kalthare | http://kalthare.freeshell.org/ipod_fw.c |
| 05:00 |
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| 05:01:31 | webguest39 | shooot i just clicked on the link |
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| 05:01:35 | webguest39 | sorry could u post it again? |
| 05:02:03 | Kalthare | http://kalthare.freeshell.org/ipod_fw.c |
| 05:02:13 | webguest39 | but also i still need to compile it if its a .c right? |
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| 05:05:47 | webguest39 | Kalthare could u help me, i was at the part where i had to type make |
| 05:05:51 | webguest39 | under tools i think? |
| 05:06:52 | Kalthare | for ipod_fw.c, just type: gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 05:07:36 | webguest39 | wait first how do i get to the tools directory (embarrased face) |
| 05:08:18 | Kalthare | where are you now? |
| 05:08:28 | webguest39 | under rockbox-devel |
| 05:08:38 | Kalthare | cd tools |
| 05:09:19 | webguest39 | alright i typed the command u gave me, does that give me an exe now? |
| 05:10:00 | Kalthare | Er, are you in Linux or Cygwin? |
| 05:10:13 | webguest39 | linux |
| 05:10:59 | Kalthare | I don't think you actually need to use vmware anymore, since you have the prebuilt rockbox binaries. |
| 05:12:03 | webguest39 | but what do i use as the ipod_fw.exe |
| 05:14:23 | Kalthare | Go where the patched .c file is in cygwin, and type gcc -o ipod_fw.exe ipod_fw.c |
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| 05:15:10 | webguest39 | can i just copy the patched .c file to the root of my harddrive? |
| 05:16:29 | webguest39 | can i do this in linux, my cygwin was not properly installed |
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| 05:17:06 | Kalthare | Linux won't give you a Windows program |
| 05:17:09 | webguest39 | i got a file, its 22 kb |
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| 05:17:40 | webguest39 | i hate to be a pain but can i have your exe file :-D |
| 05:17:51 | Kalthare | I don't have one. I use Linux. |
| 05:18:00 | webguest39 | earlier people decided that i didn't have 'patch in cygwin' installed and so it wouldn't work |
| 05:18:10 | webguest39 | but if its already patched |
| 05:18:21 | webguest39 | do i just type the directory? |
| 05:18:32 | Kalthare | Umn.. where are you, in what? |
| 05:18:39 | webguest39 | alright let me try again |
| 05:18:45 | webguest39 | i opened up cygwin in windows |
| 05:18:57 | webguest39 | now what do i do? |
| 05:19:05 | webguest39 | ipod_fw.c is located at c:/ |
| 05:19:41 | Kalthare | Um, I can't remember how cygwin handles drive letters. Try typing "cd c:/" and see what happens. |
| 05:20:02 | webguest39 | says cygdrive/c |
| 05:20:27 | Kalthare | Okay, now try gcc -o ipod_fw.exe ipod_fw.c |
| 05:20:55 | webguest39 | bash: gcc: command not found |
| 05:21:35 | Joely | webguest39...that means you need to install gcc now |
| 05:21:48 | webguest39 | this is the part where i get stuck |
| 05:22:01 | webguest39 | how do i install gcc and stuff like that for cygwin |
| 05:23:20 | Kalthare | They ought to be options in cygwin's setup.exe... |
| 05:25:01 | webguest39 | i get options but i don't see gcc |
| 05:25:07 | Joely | webguest39....here....this is taking up a lot of developer's time for something kinda trivial, no offense or anything. i'm not a rockbox developer, only a groupie! so tell me what you need and i'll make you an executable... |
| 05:26:00 | webguest39 | i need the patched ipod_fw.exe to use for my 5.5g 30 gig |
| 05:26:27 | Kalthare | The source is up at http://kalthare.freeshell.org/ipod_fw.c |
| 05:27:04 | Joely | ok, i'll make it |
| 05:27:14 | webguest39 | thank you so much |
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| 05:30:39 | Joely | Kalthare, you know the recommended gcc version for building? |
| 05:31:17 | Joely | i only have gcc 3.4.2 right now for mingw |
| 05:32:42 | Kalthare | Um, I think ipod_fw.c is too simple to care. |
| 05:33:20 | Joely | sweet |
| 05:34:58 | Joely | oh and btw....while i'm compiling this can someone please tell me when it's normal time in sweden!?!?!? |
| 05:35:06 | Joely | i _need_ to talk to Bagder! |
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| 05:39:32 | JdGordon | Kalthare: did u try he patch? |
| 05:41:14 | webguest39 | hey joely |
| 05:41:21 | webguest39 | do u need my email address? |
| 05:41:22 | Kalthare | JdGordon: Actually, I think I failed to communicate to you what the implications are of the 2K-sector problem.. |
| 05:41:34 | JdGordon | possibly :D |
| 05:41:48 | Joely | sure, you can pm me if you want....i think i can do transfer over irc.. |
| 05:42:15 | Kalthare | JdGordon: Did you look at my patch? |
| 05:42:26 | JdGordon | no, just got back |
| 05:42:45 | Kalthare | No, the one I'd already made.. |
| 05:43:25 | JdGordon | nope |
| 05:44:19 | webguest39 | alright i gtg, i'd like to thank everybody here who helped me |
| 05:44:21 | webguest39 | goodnight |
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| 05:44:56 | Kalthare | Well, there are two or three problems. One is that the partition table on this model is also based on 2K sectors, and the BPB isn't available when that's read. |
| 05:45:50 | Kalthare | Second, the calls to the ATA functions need to have virtual sectors translated to physical sectors. |
| 05:46:09 | Kalthare | Possible third, are you sure SECTOR_SIZE only gets used after the BPB is initialized? |
| 05:46:19 | Joely | sorry to interrupt...but are you two talking about the patch for the ipod_fw.c that i'm compiling for webguest39...? |
| 05:46:32 | Kalthare | Joely: No |
| 05:46:35 | Joely | ok cool |
| 05:46:37 | JdGordon | i have no idea... the patch i did was solely based on the discussions from 2 hours ago (or whenever it was).. |
| 05:49:30 | Kalthare | Well, anyhow, it's a decent approach, but it's not enough. |
| 05:50:14 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 06:15:37 | Davide-NYC | Is it possible that I get slightly different cpu boost ratios on different (same model) units? |
| 06:16:20 | Davide-NYC | wait! does having the remote plugged in cause boosting? (H1x0) |
| 06:17:24 | hcs | quick, what define can I use to detect endianness? |
| 06:19:51 | myzar | i can't figure out |
| 06:19:57 | myzar | the differences between 80 and 30 5.5gs |
| 06:20:01 | myzar | why won't the 80 work |
| 06:21:51 | myzar | slightly more memory, i take it |
| 06:21:56 | myzar | but what else can be different? |
| 06:23:52 | Kalthare | It seems to be an issue with the hard drive |
| 06:25:25 | Kalthare | Looks like the troubles aren't over on the 30GB one, either. I can't seem to get my tag cache to commit. |
| 06:34:59 | Kalthare | I'll be honest: with all the patching and re-re-re-re-building today, I never quite got around to fully testing the build. I booted into a menu, and I moved on. I haven't even tried playing music yet. |
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| 07:24:13 | hcs | yay, successful test of NSF player on big endian hardware |
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| 07:26:22 | ttyfscker | what are the keys you hold down to charge your ipod while you still use it |
| 07:26:31 | ttyfscker | i forgot i havent used this thing in forever |
| 07:26:42 | hcs | hold menu while plugging it in |
| 07:26:58 | ttyfscker | thanks hcs |
| 07:27:02 | myzar | i demand everyone available that knows rockbox |
| 07:27:06 | myzar | goes to work on the 80 gigs |
| 07:27:07 | myzar | NOW! |
| 07:27:10 | myzar | ;_______; |
| 07:28:33 | Kalthare | myzar: send me one and I'll get to work on it |
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| 07:29:02 | hcs | myzar: send me two and I'll get it done faster than Kalthare |
| 07:29:16 | myzar | pfft |
| 07:29:20 | myzar | you two are such kidders. |
| 07:29:22 | myzar | i like that :P |
| 07:29:35 | myzar | but unfortuantely my extensive brainf**k skills will not contribute to anything |
| 07:29:45 | myzar | so i'm going to drown myself in sorrows, emo music, ice cream, and razor blades |
| 07:29:50 | myzar | until some new development comes about |
| 07:30:36 | myzar | but i actually do have one |
| 07:30:41 | myzar | you can use me as a guinea pig if you'd like |
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| 07:50:53 | sneakums | goofy, toshiba site doesn't list the drive in my ipod |
| 07:51:15 | sneakums | they have the MK8009GAH, but not the MK8010GAH (mine) |
| 07:51:37 | Joely | HOORAY!!! guess what everybody! i made the windows executable for the ipod_fw (patched) |
| 07:52:36 | Joely | anybody else need it? |
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| 07:53:52 | sneakums | speaking of, maybe the new ipods could just be called 5g2 in ipod_fw |
| 07:54:18 | myzar | Joely |
| 07:54:23 | Joely | myzar |
| 07:54:25 | Joely | :-P |
| 07:54:32 | myzar | wait until there is one working for 80gigs |
| 07:54:36 | myzar | and you'll be famous |
| 07:54:38 | myzar | a celebrity, even |
| 07:54:43 | Joely | really?! |
| 07:54:50 | myzar | and you'll even get some sexual favors from me |
| 07:54:52 | myzar | wink wink :o |
| 07:55:04 | Joely | ohhh i've always wanted a sexual computer friend |
| 07:55:05 | myzar | why, of coarse |
| 07:55:06 | Joely | hahahaha |
| 07:55:10 | myzar | would i lie to you? |
| 07:55:10 | myzar | :p |
| 07:55:28 | Joely | wait, so do i upload it to somewhere? it's tested...it works! |
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| 08:00:45 | myzar | i suppose |
| 08:00:52 | myzar | does it maybe work for 80gigs? |
| 08:00:54 | myzar | =p |
| 08:01:15 | Joely | hehe uhhh |
| 08:01:22 | Joely | how expensive are those? |
| 08:01:26 | Joely | and what proc they use? |
| 08:01:38 | Joely | tell me quickly and i'll reward you with something fun |
| 08:01:44 | Joely | like....some code |
| 08:02:59 | myzar | err... |
| 08:03:03 | myzar | around a hundred bucks more |
| 08:03:06 | myzar | and i believe the same one |
| 08:03:22 | Joely | pp5024 by chance? |
| 08:03:44 | myzar | the same as a 30 gig |
| 08:03:50 | myzar | it hangs on ata_init |
| 08:11:16 | Joely | hmmm well, i have no clue about anything, this is alllll speculation...but couldn't we use some information from the sansa to help out?? |
| 08:11:39 | Joely | i mean..samsung is just asking to have their stuff reverse engineered |
| 08:11:44 | Joely | they aren't like apple or anything |
| 08:12:15 | Joely | they have their jtag ports on the front...the whole thing can be taken apart without the warranty destroyed.. |
| 08:12:56 | Joely | i would say use some in-circuit emulation with the pp5024 and see if it can kinda match the pp5020 |
| 08:13:04 | Joely | YEAH |
| 08:13:05 | Joely | haha |
| 08:14:30 | Joely | oops...samsung or sandisk...one of those >< |
| 08:14:31 | Joely | haha |
| 08:15:42 | Joely | *poke myzar* |
| 08:16:11 | myzar | ;o |
| 08:16:14 | myzar | well, uhh... |
| 08:16:20 | myzar | i only have to say... |
| 08:16:32 | * | myzar throws a smoke grenade and disappears, expecting sneakums to say something |
| 08:16:45 | Joely | haha ok |
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| 08:19:40 | Joely | so yeah...is there any place i can upload this windows build of the ipod_fw? |
| 08:21:12 | Joely | sorry, i just felt really happy that i did something productive today |
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| 08:21:38 | JdGordon | Joely: the wiki page probably... |
| 08:21:44 | JdGordon | start a new page fr the 5.5g effort |
| 08:21:58 | Joely | ahhh but i don't have a 5.5g! |
| 08:22:12 | Joely | can i upload an exe file? |
| 08:22:13 | JdGordon | so |
| 08:22:13 | JdGordon | ? |
| 08:22:19 | JdGordon | im pretty sure u can |
| 08:22:24 | Joely | ok |
| 08:22:33 | BHSPitLappy | is there an active effort on the 5.5g? |
| 08:22:50 | nick89 | hey all |
| 08:22:59 | nick89 | just installed rockbox on my Ipod Video |
| 08:23:07 | nick89 | and am having some problems |
| 08:23:16 | nick89 | followed the install guide to the word |
| 08:23:32 | nick89 | but when i start my ipod it just has a screen with the ipod support url |
| 08:23:53 | nick89 | can anyone help me out? |
| 08:24:01 | Kalthare | BHSPitLappy: Yeah, but it's extremely unstable on the 30GB and doesn't boot at all on the 80GB |
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| 08:24:39 | Kalthare | nick89: How old is your iPod? |
| 08:24:53 | BHSPitLappy | you mean it's actually been made to boot on the 5.5G's at all? |
| 08:25:07 | Kalthare | BHSPitLappy: There's a patch, yeah. |
| 08:25:08 | nick89 | About 9 months..? |
| 08:25:21 | myzar | nick89 |
| 08:25:24 | myzar | can you force disk mode? |
| 08:25:29 | Kalthare | nick89: Okay, it's not the new model, then. It ought to work. |
| 08:25:30 | myzar | you can restore your mistakes there |
| 08:25:38 | myzar | and attempt again to mod it if you'd like |
| 08:25:53 | BHSPitLappy | Kalthare, so the encryption wasn't a problem, or what |
| 08:25:53 | nick89 | I can connect it to my computer and read it via my usb connection |
| 08:26:06 | nick89 | but I don't know what im supposed to have done wrong |
| 08:26:15 | myzar | did you follow it step by step? |
| 08:26:19 | myzar | doing everything word by word? |
| 08:26:19 | nick89 | yeah |
| 08:26:24 | myzar | and you used the proper files? |
| 08:26:27 | Kalthare | BHSPitLappy: No, it's mainly that the new model emulates 2048-byte sectors. |
| 08:26:29 | myzar | the ones for your proper ipod |
| 08:26:33 | frtdx | on a ipod mini ... does the buffer time setting affect battery life.. if so .. 10 sec would be better than say 1 sec buffer .. for increasing battery life? |
| 08:26:42 | myzar | of coarse frtdx |
| 08:26:48 | myzar | if it takes mroe effort to cache part of a song |
| 08:26:49 | nick89 | almost posotive |
| 08:26:53 | myzar | and the drive works more effort |
| 08:27:09 | myzar | then it will drain more battery life |
| 08:27:13 | BHSPitLappy | and what's the obstacle for 80gb? |
| 08:27:14 | myzar | ram size also helps |
| 08:27:21 | myzar | not much |
| 08:27:24 | myzar | battery life is about 24 hours |
| 08:27:29 | myzar | same as 30 gig almost |
| 08:27:29 | frtdx | the ipod mini has 32 mb ram right? |
| 08:27:33 | myzar | 30 gig has been cracked |
| 08:27:42 | myzar | it has 64 mb ram |
| 08:27:49 | myzar | but it wont read the drive the same way as the 30 |
| 08:27:54 | Kalthare | BHSPitLappy: It hangs when it tries to read from the hard drive. We don't know why. |
| 08:28:12 | frtdx | so whts the best setting for max battery life? |
| 08:28:16 | Joely | ummm stupid question...but is this the wiki? : http://swik.net/Rockbox |
| 08:28:22 | myzar | setting, frtdx? |
| 08:28:25 | frtdx | on ipod mini 2g |
| 08:28:29 | myzar | i don't know of any |
| 08:28:35 | myzar | except to avoid playing lossless files |
| 08:28:45 | nick89 | ugh |
| 08:28:49 | nick89 | i found the problem i think.. |
| 08:28:53 | frtdx | the smallest buffer = better battery life |
| 08:29:06 | myzar | false. |
| 08:29:08 | frtdx | just playing plain ol mp3 |
| 08:29:14 | myzar | if it can buffer more of a song and get it back to the memory |
| 08:29:19 | myzar | the drive works less |
| 08:29:23 | myzar | which in turn makes it drain less power |
| 08:29:29 | frtdx | ok so .. 10 sec best bet? |
| 08:29:30 | Kalthare | nick89: what's up? |
| 08:29:36 | myzar | i'm not quite sure, frtdx |
| 08:29:38 | myzar | i would experiment |
| 08:29:41 | frtdx | hmm |
| 08:29:47 | myzar | i would invest in some type of car charging device |
| 08:29:50 | myzar | if you drive somewhere |
| 08:29:58 | myzar | if you do not, or take a bus or metro |
| 08:30:01 | sneakums | i don't think it could be a PP5024, because that's a flash device |
| 08:30:02 | myzar | then you're out of luck |
| 08:30:06 | sneakums | it doesn't even have an EIDE interface |
| 08:30:07 | frtdx | the ipod software .. i heard buffers upto 5 songs! |
| 08:30:20 | myzar | the memory on a 30 is 32 megabytes |
| 08:30:25 | myzar | on an 80, it's 64 megabytes |
| 08:30:28 | frtdx | i mean apple firmware |
| 08:30:30 | myzar | you can do the math on how much it can buffer |
| 08:30:38 | myzar | i doubt it buffers 100%, but it's still pretty good |
| 08:31:16 | myzar | and this is good for battery life, no matter what it uses |
| 08:32:04 | nick89 | hokay |
| 08:32:11 | nick89 | i didn't do the firmware quite right |
| 08:32:20 | nick89 | i made rockboot.bin again |
| 08:32:31 | nick89 | so should i just be able to do the last firmware step and be right? |
| 08:32:45 | myzar | try it out and see nick89 :P |
| 08:34:05 | nick89 | same problem |
| 08:34:08 | Joely | JdGordon, just found the wiki! w00t! i registered and everything...but i guess i need write access? |
| 08:34:26 | Joely | do i have to know like a wiki language to contribute? |
| 08:34:29 | JdGordon | what nick did u register with? |
| 08:34:35 | Joely | JoelSnyder |
| 08:35:02 | frtdx | does the itrip work with the ipod running rockbox |
| 08:36:01 | JdGordon | you can know edit |
| 08:36:38 | Joely | ok, thanks :) |
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| 08:38:28 | nick89 | still having problems |
| 08:38:29 | nick89 | :< |
| 08:40:28 | nick89 | ok |
| 08:40:35 | nick89 | when i out the old firmware back on |
| 08:40:36 | nick89 | it works |
| 08:40:50 | nick89 | but i can't get it to work with the rockbox firmware |
| 08:41:27 | Joely | nick89, what os do you have? |
| 08:41:34 | nick89 | windows |
| 08:41:54 | Joely | ohhh did you use the ipod_fw.c? |
| 08:42:21 | nick89 | .c? |
| 08:42:28 | nick89 | it's a compiled exectuable |
| 08:42:36 | nick89 | namely ipod_fw.exe |
| 08:42:51 | Joely | right...but did you get the new patch? |
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| 08:42:57 | Joely | or is that totally unrelated? |
| 08:42:58 | nick89 | new patch? |
| 08:43:12 | * | Joely walks away whistling.... |
| 08:43:15 | nick89 | well my rockboot.bin don't work |
| 08:43:18 | nick89 | so it's possible |
| 08:43:42 | Joely | uhhh i dunno...want to try out the `new' exe!? |
| 08:43:43 | Joely | haha |
| 08:44:12 | myzar | nick89 |
| 08:44:18 | myzar | the new exe is only for 30 gig 5.5g ipods |
| 08:44:20 | myzar | its not for older ones |
| 08:44:35 | Joely | ohhh he doesn't have the new one? |
| 08:44:36 | Joely | oops |
| 08:44:49 | nick89 | mine is old |
| 08:44:50 | nick89 | so |
| 08:45:08 | nick89 | how do I know if I'm using old or new? |
| 08:45:24 | Joely | no, don't listen to anything i say |
| 08:45:27 | Joely | ;) |
| 08:46:09 | nick89 | bah |
| 08:46:12 | nick89 | still not working |
| 08:46:34 | nick89 | what happens with the Broadcom firmware? |
| 08:46:42 | nick89 | you extract it but don't use it.. |
| 08:47:32 | nick89 | oh |
| 08:47:42 | nick89 | should i have the latest apple firmware? |
| 08:47:50 | nick89 | i don't think i've upgrade my ipod from 1.0 |
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| 08:50:39 | nick89 | anyone? |
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| 08:54:21 | Joely | omg it's uploading! |
| 08:54:23 | nick89 | do I need to update my ipod from apple firmware 1.0? |
| 08:54:32 | Joely | uhh i would try it.... |
| 08:54:47 | Joely | did you install ipodlinux before this? |
| 08:54:59 | nick89 | ? |
| 08:55:08 | nick89 | oh |
| 08:55:09 | nick89 | no |
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| 08:56:08 | Joely | OH NO |
| 08:56:09 | Joely | OMG |
| 08:56:12 | Joely | i screwed up |
| 08:56:15 | Joely | *cry* |
| 08:56:20 | bluebrother | someone in who is familiar with tuner_philips.c? |
| 08:56:20 | nick89 | ? |
| 08:56:37 | Joely | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
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| 08:56:43 | Joely | look at the attached files |
| 08:56:54 | Joely | ummm it kinda replaced the first one... |
| 08:57:02 | Joely | oh crap i'm a dumbass |
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| 08:58:10 | Joely | quick quick! how do i fix it before everyone is messed up!? |
| 08:58:18 | nick89 | what do you mean? |
| 08:58:26 | nick89 | oh |
| 08:58:33 | nick89 | you screwed the wiki? |
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| 08:58:42 | Joely | yeah... |
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| 09:00:26 | LinusN | Joely: what did you do? |
| 09:00:36 | Bagder | Joely: rename the 5.5 one and re-upload the previous one with the "right" name |
| 09:00:47 | Joely | ok |
| 09:00:51 | Joely | i'm really sorry |
| 09:00:52 | Joely | :( |
| 09:01:15 | LinusN | don't worry |
| 09:01:29 | * | myzar licks Bagder |
| 09:01:48 | * | Bagder moves away from myzar |
| 09:02:22 | * | scorche has heard a LOT of swedish and german today... |
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| 09:03:18 | Bagder | scorche: me too, at least swedish ;-) |
| 09:03:22 | scorche | hehe |
| 09:03:33 | scorche | know the band covenant? |
| 09:03:45 | Bagder | yeps |
| 09:03:58 | scorche | have spent the day with them |
| 09:04:01 | scorche | cool people |
| 09:04:09 | scorche | and fellow swedes for you =) |
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| 09:04:32 | Bagder | one day I'll be cool too |
| 09:04:36 | scorche | hehe |
| 09:04:38 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:04:55 | scorche | i had a fun day though... |
| 09:05:51 | myzar | noooooooooooo Bagder |
| 09:05:55 | myzar | let me appreciate you! |
| 09:06:00 | Joely | mr LinusN or Bagder...it says i can't rename it |
| 09:06:14 | Joely | i think something is angry at me |
| 09:06:25 | LinusN | what says? your computer? |
| 09:06:55 | Joely | no, the wiki! it says access denied |
| 09:07:10 | LinusN | i suggest you upload the 5.5 version with a different name |
| 09:07:48 | Joely | can you fix the old one...and i'll upload the 5.5 version with a unique name? |
| 09:08:36 | scorche | LinusN: isnt there a way to just revert the wiki pages, or does the addition of files throw a wrench into the mix? |
| 09:08:59 | LinusN | Joely: sure |
| 09:10:19 | Joely | ok i changed mine |
| 09:10:20 | Joely | phew |
| 09:11:04 | LinusN | scorche: you revert by creating a new version of the page/attachment with old content |
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| 09:11:37 | scorche | alright... |
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| 09:15:28 | nick89 | fixed my problem |
| 09:15:34 | nick89 | by updating my ipod firmware |
| 09:15:44 | nick89 | perhaps thats something that should be on the wiki |
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| 09:16:57 | Joely | ohhh Bagder! i wanted to ask you...but you're always....in a swedish time dimension!! do you have the pinout of the 7 pin jtag to the 20 pin connector? i tried looking at the pictures, and there were a few pins i couldn't see |
| 09:17:13 | Joely | on the sansa |
| 09:17:51 | Bagder | http://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/e200_jtag_header.gif |
| 09:18:01 | Ribs | scorche: Hej! Hur mår du? |
| 09:18:02 | Ribs | >:) |
| 09:18:25 | scorche | hehe |
| 09:18:51 | scorche | i dont know much...i should learn some more |
| 09:18:58 | Ribs | I don't know sod all |
| 09:19:07 | Ribs | but what I do know is the good stuff |
| 09:19:12 | Ribs | (chat up lines!!!) |
| 09:19:20 | scorche | of course! |
| 09:19:58 | Ribs | din eller min lägenhet? = your place or mine? |
| 09:20:05 | Ribs | well, technically your 'apartment' or mine |
| 09:20:09 | * | Ribs doesn't know 'place' |
| 09:20:38 | scorche | apparently, i have to come to sweden sometime and see them again...heh |
| 09:20:46 | Ribs | oh yeah, I did that |
| 09:20:52 | Ribs | went to Sweden to see some online friends |
| 09:21:01 | Ribs | uber cool country dude, go for it |
| 09:21:14 | scorche | if i ever do, i guess i have to see Rex too ;0 |
| 09:22:04 | nick89 | hey can i just delete ipod_control? |
| 09:22:04 | scorche | ;) |
| 09:22:04 | Ribs | In Sweden, pretty much everyone speaks good English |
| 09:22:04 | Ribs | but they do appreciate it if you try and speak some Swedish |
| 09:22:04 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:22:04 | Ribs | even if you do totally screw it up and they laugh at you :) |
| 09:22:07 | Ribs | nick89, if you want, yes |
| 09:22:22 | Ribs | nick89, you'll obviously loose all your offical firmware music tho |
| 09:22:28 | nick89 | sweet |
| 09:22:33 | nick89 | understood |
| 09:22:42 | nick89 | i only want to use official firmware for video |
| 09:22:54 | nick89 | until video is better supported by rockbox |
| 09:24:05 | Ribs | good plan |
| 09:24:05 | Ribs | well, video is stored in there as well |
| 09:24:06 | Ribs | so you could delete that, then upload what you want with iTunes or whatever |
| 09:24:07 | myzar | Bagder |
| 09:24:07 | myzar | i KNOW you are working on an 80 gig right? |
| 09:24:07 | myzar | :P |
| 09:24:18 | nick89 | yeah, i'll put it back on at my convenience |
| 09:24:24 | Bagder | myzar: nopes |
| 09:24:58 | myzar | :'( |
| 09:25:02 | scorche | oh...and covenant/rotersand all use ipod nanos and should be trying rockbox soon |
| 09:25:17 | Bagder | that's the spirit |
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| 09:27:20 | myzar | heh |
| 09:27:27 | myzar | thanks for dropping team morale by 95% Bagder |
| 09:27:47 | Bagder | I'm fighting with the remaining 5 |
| 09:27:52 | Bagder | darn it, go go go |
| 09:27:55 | myzar | whoops, dropping rapidly |
| 09:28:02 | myzar | ...wow, it's barely hanging on with .5% |
| 09:28:11 | scorche | yes...because if Bagder doesnt work on a port, it will never succeed... |
| 09:28:16 | myzar | bam. |
| 09:28:17 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 09:28:25 | myzar | morale is at an all time low at zero |
| 09:28:37 | myzar | back to depression |
| 09:28:43 | Bagder | yeah, just see my successful sansa work as a perfect example of my haxxor skillz ;-) |
| 09:28:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:29:24 | myzar | Bagder, everyone knows the best way to hack is to make things work |
| 09:29:26 | myzar | silly. |
| 09:29:39 | myzar | and i KNOW you want to show off your haxxor skillz by making the 80gig 5.5gs work :P |
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| 09:29:53 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:32:24 | Bagder | oh |
| 09:32:27 | Bagder | a hanging build |
| 09:32:38 | myzar | YES, BAGDER! |
| 09:32:43 | pondlife | I thought that had been fixed... |
| 09:32:45 | myzar | run those debuggers! |
| 09:32:53 | Bagder | pondlife: yeah, we thought so |
| 09:33:20 | pondlife | Russian Bugs... Every time you fix a bug, it reveals a smaller one within. |
| 09:33:45 | myzar | pondlife |
| 09:33:50 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:33:53 | myzar | at what point will the bugs be so small, nobody cares? |
| 09:34:05 | pondlife | When playback is working properly |
| 09:34:05 | myzar | it's like arguing that if you cut something in half, over and over again |
| 09:34:13 | myzar | will there ever be a point where it can't be cut anymore |
| 09:34:14 | Bagder | when they are less than one byte each |
| 09:34:15 | pondlife | Hmm, quantum bugs? |
| 09:34:20 | myzar | yes. |
| 09:34:25 | myzar | bytes, Bagder!? |
| 09:34:28 | myzar | we're talking machine code! |
| 09:34:41 | pondlife | You can have one wrong bit and it'll make a bug |
| 09:34:50 | myzar | electrical impulses so small, they accumulate and eventually wreck havoc! |
| 09:35:11 | Bagder | haha: |
| 09:35:12 | myzar | scary, isn't it? |
| 09:35:16 | Bagder | 52 builds in 6704 seconds (111mins 44secs) makes 128.9 seconds/build |
| 09:35:18 | myzar | if you had to debug electircal impulses |
| 09:35:20 | myzar | i'd be afraid. |
| 09:35:42 | pondlife | That's why we have the sim |
| 09:36:08 | nick89 | hey |
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| 09:36:16 | nick89 | i've downloaded the green 5g theme |
| 09:36:34 | nick89 | and it also contains a prebuild binary |
| 09:36:37 | nick89 | do i need to use it |
| 09:36:46 | nick89 | or can i use my exisiting copy |
| 09:38:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | It depends on whether your existing copy has the same patches |
| 09:40:18 | nick89 | it's the latest version |
| 09:40:22 | nick89 | is it likely to? |
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| 09:43:38 | markun | nick89: you need the prebuild binary then |
| 09:45:51 | nick89 | yeah i've got it working |
| 09:45:55 | nick89 | thanks for all yer help |
| 09:46:01 | nick89 | i'm really happy with the result |
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| 09:53:37 | BHSPitMonkey | good to hear |
| 09:54:50 | nick89 | only 1 thing |
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| 09:55:37 | nick89 | can you set up the bootloader to give me achoive between rockbox and apple os? |
| 09:56:53 | aliask | As in a menu? |
| 09:57:37 | nick89 | yeah |
| 09:57:37 | scorche | nick89: if you want a menu, you can use Loader2 from ipl |
| 09:57:46 | nick89 | ok |
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| 10:01:08 | JdGordon | what the heck happened to the cvs builds? |
| 10:01:14 | JdGordon | Build expected to complete around 09:32:05 (in 111mins 44secs) |
| 10:01:31 | pondlife | A hung build earlier upset the stats |
| 10:01:41 | JdGordon | haha ok |
| 10:01:52 | JdGordon | the latest build has hung aswell then |
| 10:02:17 | Bagder | your server |
| 10:02:23 | JdGordon | mine? |
| 10:02:27 | Bagder | yeos |
| 10:02:31 | Bagder | this time and last too |
| 10:02:31 | pondlife | Backatcha! ;) |
| 10:02:41 | JdGordon | odd... |
| 10:03:51 | JdGordon | top shows about 5 proccess from rbclient runnning |
| 10:04:03 | JdGordon | cpu is at 70% for some reason... nothing else is using it |
| 10:04:12 | Bagder | yeah, but I've killed the connections so they're left dying on your server |
| 10:04:50 | JdGordon | unless the cpu isnt happy running @ 40C ? |
| 10:06:27 | pondlife | 40C isn't hot |
| 10:06:47 | JdGordon | i know.... |
| 10:08:33 | nick89 | for Loader2, I still have to generate the apple_os iplloader combined firmware, right? |
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| 10:11:25 | aliask | pondlife: 40C is the approx ambient temperature... the cpu is probably running at like 60... |
| 10:11:58 | aliask | It got hot here faaast this year. |
| 10:12:07 | JdGordon | aliask: nope, ive got a temp probe on the cpu heatsink... amb is 35 (fark its hot early this year), cpu is about 40 |
| 10:12:21 | aliask | Wow do you have watercooling or something? |
| 10:12:23 | pondlife | That sounds a bit unlikely |
| 10:12:42 | JdGordon | aliask: nope, and the fan is at like 30% or something |
| 10:12:43 | pondlife | I normally get at least 20C delta, with air cooling |
| 10:13:00 | pondlife | I suspect your CPU temp is higher than the heatsink temp |
| 10:13:05 | aliask | My fan is going apeshit... upstairs room. |
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| 10:13:08 | scorche | aliask: my cpu runs at about 32-34 without full load |
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| 10:13:11 | * | JdGordon should reboot so i can c the bios temp reading |
| 10:13:18 | pondlife | MBM5? |
| 10:13:29 | JdGordon | linux |
| 10:13:34 | pondlife | Ah. |
| 10:13:38 | pondlife | No equivalent? |
| 10:13:41 | JdGordon | gpu is @ 44C, cpu is 40C |
| 10:13:45 | JdGordon | probably is.. |
| 10:14:13 | pondlife | From BIOS? |
| 10:14:21 | JdGordon | no, temp probes |
| 10:14:29 | pondlife | OK, now check the BIOS... |
| 10:14:45 | JdGordon | only coz im curious... |
| 10:14:46 | JdGordon | back in 3 |
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| 10:14:56 | aliask | My iPod was too hot to use today. |
| 10:15:11 | aliask | I hope the CPU scaling gets fixed soon |
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| 10:18:31 | JdGordon | bios said 36, so 4C diff... |
| 10:18:44 | JdGordon | ... which is good enough for me :p |
| 10:18:48 | aliask | Damn, nice... What CPU? |
| 10:18:57 | JdGordon | celeron 2.4 |
| 10:19:26 | JdGordon | its not like its doing anything cpu intensive tho :p |
| 10:20:03 | aliask | Well neither is my computer, but I'd bet money on it being more that 36. |
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| 10:22:17 | pondlife | 36C CPU, with what ambient? |
| 10:22:30 | JdGordon | 31 |
| 10:22:31 | aliask | Probably down to about 30 now. |
| 10:22:39 | pondlife | That's not bad! |
| 10:22:53 | JdGordon | case is open with A/C on :) |
| 10:23:03 | pondlife | Ah, that can help! |
| 10:23:06 | JdGordon | but still.. why the hell is it so hot this early in the year? |
| 10:23:14 | aliask | 4WD's. |
| 10:23:23 | pondlife | All those CPUs running CVS builds... ;) |
| 10:23:46 | pondlife | We need a wind farm for the build farm |
| 10:24:11 | aliask | Or a hundred mice on treadmills. |
| 10:24:26 | pondlife | No! Mice produce greenhouse gases. |
| 10:24:27 | JdGordon | probably need more than a few hundred micee |
| 10:24:47 | aliask | Okok, mice were a bad idea. |
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| 10:24:51 | pondlife | Weasels? |
| 10:24:58 | petur | snails? |
| 10:25:05 | aliask | I was thinking of genetically enhanced guinea pigs. |
| 10:25:08 | scorche | shrimp? |
| 10:25:09 | pondlife | GMGP |
| 10:25:21 | aliask | Hahahaha |
| 10:25:30 | aliask | Quickly copyright it and we'll go into business. |
| 10:25:52 | pondlife | Too late - http://www.milwaukeegreens.org/ |
| 10:26:11 | aliask | Damn you Milwaukee! |
| 10:26:19 | pondlife | Ah, greyhounds maybe.. |
| 10:26:35 | scorche | what is wrong with genetically enhanced shrimp? |
| 10:26:43 | pondlife | Mmm.. tasty |
| 10:26:48 | JdGordon | the problem is you would still need to feed them the equivilant of more energy than they could produce... |
| 10:27:16 | aliask | JdGordon, always bringing us down... you're no fun! |
| 10:27:21 | scorche | better than burning oil/gas/coal |
| 10:27:23 | JdGordon | im sorry |
| 10:27:25 | * | pondlife wonders what the most efficient living organism is |
| 10:27:31 | JdGordon | burn the guinea pigs :D |
| 10:27:38 | aliask | Single cell organism i'd say. |
| 10:27:39 | JdGordon | probably a virus |
| 10:27:49 | scorche | decomposers arent bad as well |
| 10:27:49 | JdGordon | parasite i mean |
| 10:27:51 | aliask | Virii don't count as living things. |
| 10:28:21 | pondlife | Hmm, is this #rockbox or what. Do we have a CVS build yet... |
| 10:28:24 | aliask | Wow this is very OT... |
| 10:28:42 | pondlife | Aha, we do! |
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| 10:33:57 | darkless | Hans Reiser has been arrested on suspicion of murder on his wife: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL |
| 10:34:16 | aliask | Of ReiserFS fame? |
| 10:34:19 | darkless | yup |
| 10:34:23 | aliask | Awesome! |
| 10:34:38 | Bagder | a killer filesystem as they say |
| 10:34:42 | darkless | lol |
| 10:34:47 | petur | old news too |
| 10:34:50 | JdGordon | haw haw haw |
| 10:35:01 | darkless | petur: yeah, a bit |
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| 10:37:15 | linuxstb | Could someone with more wiki rights than me delete the files at the bottom of IpodInstallation which are now hosted at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ ? I get an "access denied" if I try to do it. |
| 10:37:40 | Joely | why do you want to delete them? |
| 10:37:41 | Joely | :( |
| 10:37:56 | linuxstb | Joely: Because they are now hosted elsewhere... |
| 10:38:19 | petur | hosting those files in the wiki is a security risk |
| 10:38:31 | Joely | ohhh |
| 10:38:36 | Bagder | ... as Joely himself just proved ;-) |
| 10:38:42 | * | linuxstb noticed :) |
| 10:38:43 | Joely | GRR |
| 10:38:44 | Joely | haha |
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| 10:39:41 | Joely | so after all that compiling i didn't help at all!? |
| 10:39:42 | Joely | argh! |
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| 10:41:04 | Joely | i mean...where are people going to turn now for their 5.5g ipod_fw.exe!? |
| 10:41:27 | linuxstb | Joely: I only asked for the files hosted elsewhere to be deleted. |
| 10:41:41 | Joely | ohhhh |
| 10:41:46 | Joely | you're a sly guy |
| 10:41:47 | Joely | :) |
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| 10:42:07 | petur | Joely: exe files in the wiki would mean somebody could upload a virus-infected one |
| 10:42:43 | linuxstb | Ideally we need someone to patch ipod_fw so that it autodetects the partition size being used and acts accordingly... |
| 10:42:45 | amiconn | petur: That 'somebody' would at least need wiki write access |
| 10:42:50 | linuxstb | s/partition/sector/ |
| 10:43:15 | Davide-NYC | petur: were you recording to wavpack for this bug? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6109 |
| 10:43:20 | petur | amiconn: lots of people we don't know have |
| 10:43:42 | petur | Davide-NYC: just WAV |
| 10:43:53 | amiconn | Everybody should use virus protection when using windows anyway... |
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| 10:44:48 | petur | amiconn: sure, but that won't protect you from everything |
| 10:46:00 | petur | Davide-NYC: I have also had music skip yesterday - maybe I should defrag my h340 |
| 10:47:21 | Davide-NYC | I made some recording today. I have to listen back still. It's totally obvious when it happens, correct? |
| 10:47:41 | petur | I couldn't miss it... |
| 10:48:04 | Davide-NYC | I'll report my findings to flyspray. You should report the target (H300) in case it has anything to do with that. |
| 10:48:34 | petur | I don't think it's target related |
| 10:48:35 | Davide-NYC | My tests are H120 |
| 10:48:53 | Davide-NYC | I don;t think so either, but why not include it in case. |
| 10:48:59 | Davide-NYC | "-) |
| 10:49:05 | Davide-NYC | doh |
| 10:49:11 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 10:50:27 | Davide-NYC | general question: has there been any change to the WMA decoder lately? |
| 10:51:24 | petur | I just wished jhMikeS wouldn't rewrite so much stuff in one go. He probably fixed this already (some watermark and priority tweaking), but then he also started changing the samplerate issue and added multiple samplerates. So one big patch that's not working for irivers :( |
| 10:51:50 | Davide-NYC | I hear ya |
| 10:52:07 | Davide-NYC | what do you think of wavpack encoding on-the-fly? |
| 10:52:16 | Davide-NYC | I think it's unnecessary |
| 10:52:31 | petur | I'll stick with wav while I have the diskspace... |
| 10:52:33 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: It's unnecessary to save disk space? |
| 10:52:50 | linuxstb | Assuming of course it's reliable. |
| 10:52:53 | Davide-NYC | I just think it will go unused as a feature |
| 10:53:06 | aliask | Why? |
| 10:53:17 | Davide-NYC | that's a serious assumption which most folks recording will not want to make |
| 10:53:45 | aliask | What's to suggest that it's less reliable than say WAV? |
| 10:53:52 | linuxstb | I would hope that it is reliable by the time Rockbox gets an official release including it. |
| 10:54:20 | Davide-NYC | encoding in real-time scares me. give the CPU as little as possible to do when recording |
| 10:55:00 | Davide-NYC | playback vs recording have difference reliability standards AFAIK |
| 10:55:06 | Davide-NYC | *different |
| 10:55:10 | petur | indeed |
| 10:55:32 | aliask | Agreed |
| 10:55:33 | * | Davide-NYC why can't I sleep? It's 5am!! |
| 10:55:34 | petur | some people fail to understand the importance of stability when recording concerts |
| 10:55:51 | Davide-NYC | you're not talking about drunk either! |
| 10:56:13 | petur | eh? |
| 10:56:24 | Davide-NYC | I screwed up a stupid joke. |
| 10:56:26 | linuxstb | drunk == unstable ? |
| 10:56:45 | * | petur throws some empty beer bottles around |
| 10:57:18 | Davide-NYC | wavpack encoding adds extra complexity to something that should adhere to the KISS concept stirctly |
| 10:57:30 | Davide-NYC | Keep It Simple Stupid |
| 10:58:05 | Bagder | I disagree |
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| 10:58:17 | Davide-NYC | Petur: Do you think jhMikeS's level of granular options are necessary or even wanted in terms of biterate and samplerate? |
| 10:58:18 | Bagder | we have an encoding framework and we should |
| 10:59:11 | Bagder | people want to record to compressed formats |
| 10:59:34 | petur | these changes needed more testing.... |
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| 11:00:16 | safetydan | Is there any better way to do this in buildzip.pl? |
| 11:00:17 | safetydan | `cp $ROOT/apps/eqs/*.cfg .rockbox/eqs`; # equalizer presets |
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| 11:00:26 | Davide-NYC | Badger: true and not true (IMO). Ppl want to record to lossy for space and WAV for fidelity |
| 11:00:50 | Bagder | yeah, but then having a wavpack option doesn't add any complexity |
| 11:00:56 | petur | a change screwing up playback stability - ah well, just hit play again.... but a change screwing up a recording: you can't ask the band to do the concert again, can you? |
| 11:01:14 | Davide-NYC | I see |
| 11:01:17 | Bagder | safetydan: seems fine enough to me |
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| 11:01:34 | safetydan | cool |
| 11:01:43 | Davide-NYC | so is the encoding framework still only 44100Hz? |
| 11:02:06 | linuxstb | safetydan: Out of habit I would add the trailing slash to .rockbox/eqs/ |
| 11:02:46 | safetydan | linuxstb, it would also be consistent with the other code in there |
| 11:02:48 | linuxstb | I would also use the "-p" option to cp to preserve timestamps... |
| 11:02:59 | petur | Davide-NYC: jhMikeS has a patch up but as you know it's not working for irivers |
| 11:04:11 | Davide-NYC | he said it would allow for 88.2k |
| 11:04:15 | Davide-NYC | \o/ |
| 11:04:29 | Davide-NYC | I'm trying to get him an iRiver H1x0 to tst on |
| 11:04:31 | Davide-NYC | *test |
| 11:05:02 | LinusN | i was about to fix the iriver issues, but real life intervened as usual |
| 11:05:26 | petur | I know the feeling LinusN |
| 11:05:45 | Bagder | we need to teach our kids to do the bugfixes |
| 11:05:58 | petur | not the wife? |
| 11:06:30 | Bagder | nah, get them while they're young and haven't been trained to reject such things ;-) |
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| 11:06:45 | Bagder | as the wives have |
| 11:06:57 | petur | ok, so I should start making some :D |
| 11:06:58 | Davide-NYC | do we have a place where volunteers can sign up and tell what target they have and maybe what specific area they care about where the devs can assign tasks like testing etc? |
| 11:07:24 | Davide-NYC | It's probably futile but one never knows |
| 11:07:39 | Davide-NYC | VolnteerSignUp wiki page? |
| 11:08:12 | Davide-NYC | Is this bug still open? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5412 |
| 11:08:26 | Davide-NYC | recording overwrites iRiver settings? |
| 11:08:52 | Davide-NYC | Linus: do you have an H1x0 or an H3x0? |
| 11:08:55 | petur | I haven't been in of anymore... |
| 11:09:00 | LinusN | Davide-NYC: both |
| 11:09:22 | Davide-NYC | sweet, so do I so if you need something specific tested do not hesitate to ask |
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| 11:09:47 | Davide-NYC | petur: what? |
| 11:10:04 | petur | Original Firmware |
| 11:10:22 | Davide-NYC | right. You think that bug report can be closed? |
| 11:10:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Davide-NYC: I've found most often "testing" is when one dev writes something that might/will affect targets other than his own. |
| 11:10:50 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting |
| 11:11:33 | Davide-NYC | On no! That's just sad. I think that page needs to be advertised on the forum (especially in the recording section) |
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| 11:16:59 | linuxstb | Zagor: Is it intentional that normal wiki users can't move/delete attachments? |
| 11:17:45 | Zagor | I think so, yes. Deleting is normally not part of the wiki concept, since it's final. |
| 11:18:00 | obo | LinusN: Audioscrobbler patch - should I remove HWCODEC support, or beg someone to test on Archos? I'm just wondering what else I need to do to get it committed :) |
| 11:18:49 | LinusN | obo: i'll see if i can test it tonight |
| 11:18:55 | Davide-NYC | What if someone does not have a wiki account but is willing to do volunteer testing? How would a Dev find such folks? |
| 11:19:20 | Davide-NYC | Would a Dev want to find such folks? |
| 11:19:25 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 11:19:25 | obo | Thank you LinusN |
| 11:19:55 | Bagder | Davide-NYC: but why would someone willing to contribute _not_ have a wiki account then? |
| 11:20:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | Davide-NYC: Most people who are actually looking to do real testing would, I think, be willing to sign up. |
| 11:20:13 | linuxstb | Zagor: OK. It's just that there are some files on the IpodInstallation page that need deleting (they are now hosted on download.rockbox.org) |
| 11:21:24 | linuxstb | Zagor: I could do this in the past, but I think my ability was removed when the wiki was hardened. |
| 11:22:06 | Zagor | linuxstb: ok. linusn, do you remember changing this? |
| 11:22:33 | LinusN | not really |
| 11:22:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: Did Jeff ever get in contact you? He asked me something about a change in IP regarding his hosting, and I suggested he should get in contact with ou. |
| 11:23:08 | Bagder | not that I've seen, no |
| 11:23:42 | Bagder | unless his mail got into my spam filter of course |
| 11:24:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's possible he hasn't gotten/seen my response yet. |
| 11:24:20 | LinusN | he's changing ip address *again*? |
| 11:24:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Apparently, yes. |
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| 11:26:14 | penjuin | hello all |
| 11:26:31 | penjuin | my ipod 5g text viewer is having issues |
| 11:26:42 | penjuin | its displaying lines on top of one another |
| 11:26:50 | penjuin | does anyone have any idea why? |
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| 11:29:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | What build did this problem start with? |
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| 11:36:29 | * | Davide-NYC hmm. maybe I'll be able to sleep for a bit |
| 11:36:32 | Davide-NYC | 'night |
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| 13:35:44 | Kitt0s | the rockbox site is dead ?:\ |
| 13:35:47 | pondlife | Bagder: What was "veeery interesting"? Of course I can't view the logs... it's like being a goldfish! |
| 13:36:25 | Bagder | pondlife: his announcing to the channel what music he was listening to |
| 13:36:30 | amiconn | These IP 'locators' are rather imprecise/incorrect |
| 13:36:35 | pondlife | Ah, sarcasm, huh? |
| 13:36:39 | Bagder | yeah |
| 13:36:56 | pondlife | I thought you'd heard news about the server maybe. |
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| 13:37:19 | Bagder | nah, haven't heard anything back from Linus who was gonna call a local admin at the server's location |
| 13:37:27 | Bagder | and there he is |
| 13:37:43 | pondlife | Not at Contactor itself? |
| 13:38:05 | Bagder | yes there, but we aren't there |
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| 13:38:14 | pondlife | Gotcha |
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| 13:38:41 | pondlife | So are you homeworkers too? Or is there a Haxx office...? |
| 13:38:43 | * | pondlife pries |
| 13:39:19 | Bagder | we're usually hired to work for customers in their offices |
| 13:39:30 | Bagder | but I work from home now |
| 13:39:40 | pondlife | Same here |
| 13:39:53 | LinusN | the server is now restarted |
| 13:40:36 | pondlife | CVS is back!! |
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| 13:41:19 | aliask | HTTP is back!! |
| 13:41:22 | pondlife | LinusN: Good work, thanks |
| 13:42:56 | pondlife | Bagder: time for another less depressing channel comment |
| 13:43:05 | pondlife | ;) |
| 13:43:11 | Topic | "www.rockbox.org is ALIVE!" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 13:43:19 | pondlife | That's more like it |
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| 13:46:16 | petur | www.rockbox.org is alive after being kicked... |
| 13:46:23 | aliask | Might want to append "...for now" to that, judging by the reliability of late |
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| 13:48:10 | Bagder | when was it not available the last time? |
| 13:48:39 | aliask | Couple of days ago? |
| 13:49:02 | Bagder | ah, it was just bogged down under heavy load then |
| 13:49:17 | Bagder | rsyncmania |
| 13:49:36 | aliask | Yes, rsync has a habit of choking other processes. |
| 13:50:08 | Bagder | yeah, especially if the remote dude decides to start a new one every minute |
| 13:50:17 | aliask | That too... |
| 13:50:25 | Bagder | but it was out-of-bandwidth, not really out of cpu |
| 13:50:34 | Kitt0s | how do i make fonts for rockbox? |
| 13:50:41 | LinusN | 1) draw them |
| 13:50:44 | Bagder | its a rather limited 2mbit connection to this server |
| 13:50:46 | aliask | Kitt0s: Fontforge |
| 13:50:49 | LinusN | 2) convert to rockbox .fnt format |
| 13:51:06 | Kitt0s | ahh can i take an existing font and convert it? |
| 13:51:21 | LinusN | yes, if the font is in the BDF format |
| 13:51:31 | aliask | Fontforge can take a TTF file and render it to BDF, and there's a rockbox script which converts to FNT |
| 13:51:51 | LinusN | and you can convert from TTF to BDF with otf2bdf |
| 13:52:11 | aliask | Ok you win Linus |
| 13:52:22 | aliask | I didn't know that one :) |
| 13:52:36 | LinusN | but for good results, you need to compile otf2bdf yourself with freetype2 |
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| 13:53:14 | aliask | Kitt0s: What OS are you on? |
| 13:53:20 | Kitt0s | xp |
| 13:53:23 | Kitt0s | windows |
| 13:53:32 | aliask | Ok then, disregard everything we just said :) |
| 13:53:46 | Kitt0s | lol |
| 13:53:56 | aliask | But basically, you need to find a way to convert a TTF to BDF |
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| 14:02:55 | LinusN | http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
| 14:04:34 | Kitt0s | gotta find a font first :D |
| 14:04:53 | Kitt0s | can i combine fonts? |
| 14:05:02 | Kitt0s | if i got like 2 fonts, from 2 diffrent langs |
| 14:06:26 | linuxstb | What do people think about how Rockbox should support the 5gs with 2048 byte sectors? A single build with runtime detection, or a new build? |
| 14:07:07 | JdGordon | single build.... |
| 14:07:19 | Bagder | run-time would be nifty, but it feels like it could be tricky since it is rather low-level |
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| 14:08:27 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:08:33 | preglow | runtime would definitely be the best |
| 14:08:41 | petur | all depends how well the users can separate the two models |
| 14:08:43 | preglow | but does of course depend on how tricky that'd be |
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| 14:09:16 | linuxstb | petur: That's the problem - I'm not sure it's straightforward. Apple seemed to have started using 2048-byte sectors before they announced the new 5gs. |
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| 14:09:31 | preglow | but how does one go about detecting it? |
| 14:09:35 | petur | that what I mean |
| 14:10:24 | Arathis | still having tagcache problems: it just won't create anything. I have tagnavi.config and tagcache_tmp.tcd in /.rockbox, but nothing more |
| 14:10:31 | linuxstb | The partition table stores the start sectors of the partition in 512 or 2048 byte sectors, so it could be done by seeing which interpretation points to a FAT32 partition. |
| 14:11:09 | petur | so the patching tool could tell the user which build he needs |
| 14:11:54 | linuxstb | Yes, that would work as well. |
| 14:12:04 | PaulJam | Arathis: have you tried to delete the tagcache_tmp.tcd file and then rebuild the tagcache? |
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| 14:12:59 | Arathis | PaulJam: I just deleted the whole .rockbox dir and rockbox.h10 and put the latest one on |
| 14:13:13 | JdGordon | ... patching fat.c to use runtime detection seemed straight forward.. but aparently there is more to it then i hoped |
| 14:13:44 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Also, the original patch by Kalthare appears to be incomplete - he's said Rockbox is unstable. |
| 14:14:21 | PaulJam | Arathis: do you have files with enbedded albumart in teir tags? i think i read that tagcache has problems with those. |
| 14:14:27 | amiconn | Well, while Kalthare's patch seems to work, it looks somewhat ugly |
| 14:14:36 | Arathis | but besides that I still don't get the "Music" folder of my h10 to be shown anywhere else than in "show files: all" |
| 14:14:52 | * | amiconn is interested what Mr. fat.c is thinking about it? |
| 14:15:08 | Arathis | PaulJam: no I don't. And I didn't change anything than rockbox since it worked :( |
| 14:15:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Arathis: Is the folder set to be hidden? |
| 14:15:39 | linuxstb | Arathis: That's normal - if that directory is marked as hidden, then Rockbox hides it in all views apart from "all". |
| 14:15:46 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6170 <- giong soley on the discussion this morning.... |
| 14:16:06 | Arathis | it is, but it was before and i don't use windows, so I didn't change anything to that. it isn't hidden in linux |
| 14:16:18 | linuxstb | Linux ignores the FAT hidden attribute. |
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| 14:17:58 | Bagder | the h10 Music dir is set as hidden |
| 14:18:00 | linuxstb | You have to either use mtools, or just create a new directory, move the files from Music into the new directory, delete the old Music and rename your new directory. |
| 14:20:12 | Arathis | the weird thing is that tagcache initializes the first time (when no tagcache_tmp.tcd is there), but won't do so after that and noe tagcache files are created |
| 14:21:25 | Arathis | Bagder: but that the dir is hidden shouldn't affect tag-cache, right? |
| 14:21:37 | Bagder | correct |
| 14:21:59 | Arathis | okay, tag-cache ended right away and no files were written |
| 14:22:08 | PaulJam | Arathis: when you initialize tagcache the first time, do you wait until the hd stops spinning? |
| 14:22:16 | Arathis | yes |
| 14:22:34 | Arathis | that's how I know it ended |
| 14:22:47 | blueworm | jdgordon: I applied your patch last night *, but it did not seem to offer more insight into the problem. |
| 14:22:59 | JdGordon | :) ok |
| 14:23:49 | blueworm | how can I set any debug flags |
| 14:24:02 | PaulJam | Arathis: have you rebooted the device after initializing? |
| 14:24:40 | Arathis | linuxstb: could you give me a short howto use mtools? I tried 'sudo mattrib -sh /media/H10/Music/*' but that gave me an error related to /dev/fd0 |
| 14:24:51 | Arathis | PaulJam: yes, I did |
| 14:25:54 | Arathis | tag-cache than says "commiting tag-cache... [1/7]" and jumps straight to the menu without doing anything |
| 14:26:04 | Arathis | is there a logfile or something? |
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| 14:26:37 | linuxstb | Arathis: I don't use mtools, but I think you need to edit /etc/mtools.conf to assign a drive letter to your H10's disk device (e.g. /dev/sda1). |
| 14:26:39 | preglow | Arathis: not by default |
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| 14:27:10 | linuxstb | Arathis: You would then do something like mattrib -sh d:music |
| 14:27:11 | me3619 | hey people, jsut wondering if anyone was willing to lead some assistance, im trying to get rockbock working on my H340 |
| 14:27:21 | me3619 | lol. excuse my spelling |
| 14:27:26 | me3619 | its late here..... |
| 14:28:15 | petur | me3619: I think it's fairly easy and well-explained in the wiki - what's your problem? |
| 14:28:15 | linuxstb | me3619: What's the problem? |
| 14:28:37 | preglow | what state is fwpatcher in these days? |
| 14:29:16 | LinusN | same lousy state as always :-) |
| 14:29:25 | preglow | did it ever get proper tabbing support? |
| 14:29:33 | LinusN | in cvs yes |
| 14:29:52 | preglow | does that imply it's not in a binary yet? :> |
| 14:29:53 | Arathis | linuxstb: thanks, that worked |
| 14:29:56 | LinusN | maybe i should make a new release |
| 14:30:04 | PaulJam | Arathis: do you use a recend build or an older one? |
| 14:30:14 | preglow | LinusN: definitely, blind people have been asking for that a lot |
| 14:30:20 | LinusN | oki |
| 14:30:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Aren't there H300 related updates to the bootloader pending too? |
| 14:31:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Something relating to USB? |
| 14:31:03 | preglow | i've even got my hands on an old laptop i've stuffed windows on so i can do some win32 work again |
| 14:31:06 | preglow | hooray for me |
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| 14:31:09 | Arathis | latest CVS bleeding edge () and I allways download the .zip and the .mi4 (from download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver) |
| 14:31:39 | * | petur thinks me3619 has falles asleep ;) |
| 14:31:47 | linuxstb | petur: :) |
| 14:31:50 | petur | fallen even |
| 14:32:03 | Arathis | ah, the version should have been in the brackets: 061012-0942 |
| 14:32:50 | PaulJam | Arathis: then i have no more ideas what coud be wrong, sorry. |
| 14:33:45 | linuxstb | Arathis: You could try compiling your own "logf" build - that should give you a clue about where tagcache is failing. |
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| 14:33:56 | me3619 | Sorry guys AFK for a bit, Ive installed Rockbox and keep gettng the following message "ATA Error: -32, Insert USB Cable and press a button" any ides |
| 14:33:59 | me3619 | ideas* |
| 14:34:21 | Arathis | in the dev info menu it says: initialized: yes | db ready: no | ram cache: no | ram: 0/0 b | progress: -1% (0 entries) | commit step: 0 | commit delayed: no |
| 14:34:27 | mots | hi, i have a problem with doom on kosh's experimental build.. |
| 14:34:49 | linuxstb | mots: Then ask kosh.... |
| 14:35:09 | mots | well, dunno howto conctact him |
| 14:35:18 | mots | forums take waaay to long |
| 14:35:24 | me3619 | isnt it off the misticriver forum? |
| 14:35:26 | PaulJam | there is a thread on misticriver |
| 14:35:59 | mots | well, maybe its a known prob, so i'll ask first: |
| 14:36:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | mots: Have you tried the CVS build? |
| 14:36:23 | LinusN | me3619: it means that your hard drive or battery may be bad |
| 14:36:36 | mots | strange |
| 14:36:40 | mots | seems to work now |
| 14:36:58 | mots | gave me "ict: 100000" or sth like that till one minute ago |
| 14:37:00 | me3619 | Hmm i dont see how ti could be, using the offical iRiver firmware the drive works with no issues.... |
| 14:37:15 | me3619 | or is it a known fact with that error, something is dying? |
| 14:37:50 | LinusN | me3619: what if you hold REC when you turn it on? |
| 14:37:59 | Arathis | linuxstb: I need rockbox-devel for that? |
| 14:40:11 | me3619 | it says "Starting teh original firmware" and turns off... but if i plug it in with the USB Cable attached, its boots into the orginal firmware fine.. and if i replace the firmware with the orginal loader.... its has no porblems on its own without rockbox |
| 14:40:59 | petur | me3619: keep holding ON until the iriver firmware boots - you were releasing the ON key too fast |
| 14:41:45 | petur | did you scandisk it? |
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| 14:42:08 | me3619 | lol.. well yeah the orginal firmware boots fine when i do that.... i havent done a scandisk.. i will now |
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| 14:43:54 | petur | jhMikeS: any chance you could already commit the recording fixes that do not include the changes to the UDA interface (encoder priority, spdif samplerate) ? Or make a separate patch? |
| 14:44:54 | jhMikeS | petur: hmmm... |
| 14:44:55 | me3619 | i did a chkdsk in dos... and got "windows has checked the file system and found no problems" |
| 14:45:58 | mots | is there any way to build a tagcache on the computer (linux)? |
| 14:46:24 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you called? |
| 14:46:26 | jhMikeS | petur: I could leave out the 11kHz and use the master mode as before for the UDA. I'll leave the x5 alone though. |
| 14:46:28 | mots | if i press "build tagcache" on rockbox, it crashes after about 1 minute |
| 14:46:32 | JdGordon | daurnimator: dw |
| 14:47:23 | daurnimator | i woiln't |
| 14:48:07 | me3619 | so any ideas on my orginal error? with there being no sign of any problesm with the hdd? |
| 14:49:07 | LinusN | then i suspect a bug in the boot loader |
| 14:49:13 | jhMikeS | petur: you'll check it when it's ready? :) |
| 14:49:22 | petur | sure |
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| 14:49:40 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'll see if i can look at the uda bugs tonight |
| 14:49:46 | me3619 | should i be putting on the latest from the daily build page? |
| 14:50:23 | jhMikeS | LinusN: there was some questionable stuff in the driver such the right ADC not being turned off when going back to mic mode from line in |
| 14:50:53 | * | daurnimator goes dancing in the dark |
| 14:50:55 | LinusN | jhMikeS: you have a new patch? |
| 14:51:32 | sublimal | linuxstb: cpufreq3.patch looks to be causing buffering issues after 10-30mins of playback. i can't seem to correct it without a reboot |
| 14:51:43 | jhMikeS | LinusN: not yet...I'm clueless as to why using the WSPLL should affect things the way it does |
| 14:52:28 | LinusN | i doubt that it has anything to do with it |
| 14:52:31 | jhMikeS | If the data is there then why's source selection busted? :-\ |
| 14:52:45 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Me too but I noticed it when looking more closely. |
| 14:55:11 | Arathis | linuxstb: how do I build a "logf" build? |
| 14:55:26 | LinusN | select (D)eveloper in the config |
| 14:55:32 | Arathis | thx |
| 14:55:37 | jhMikeS | It's difficult to know if I can't do the check myself and see _exactly_ what does when doing this and that :-) |
| 14:55:37 | LinusN | then (L)ogf |
| 14:56:00 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'll try to have a look at this tonight |
| 14:56:06 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 14:56:23 | Arathis | "WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!" do I need to compile that myself? |
| 14:56:42 | LinusN | jhMikeS: btw, the reply from freescale was: |
| 14:56:44 | LinusN | "The table shown in page 4-3 is the correct one, I suggest you to use the ColdFire init configuration tool for creating the system set-up and initialization. You can download it from http://www.microapl.co.uk/CFInit/cfinit_main.html |
| 14:56:44 | LinusN | " |
| 14:56:54 | jhMikeS | not too many x5 owners seem to be serious tapers...not much word from them |
| 14:57:17 | LinusN | jhMikeS: perhaps they are tapers, and not much into digital recording? :-P |
| 14:57:26 | jhMikeS | LinusN: don't know if you evaluated it on that ... |
| 14:57:33 | jhMikeS | LinusN: analoguers |
| 14:57:49 | LinusN | ay, yes i forgot about DAT |
| 14:58:08 | LinusN | i haven't tested on the x5 |
| 14:58:09 | petur | jhMikeS: the x5 isn't so nice because you need that extra thingie to get to the line-in. Most use h1x0 or h3x0 |
| 14:58:13 | Arathis | LinusN: do Ineed to compile arm-elf-gcc first? |
| 14:58:25 | LinusN | Arathis: what system are you on? |
| 14:58:33 | Arathis | ubuntu dapper |
| 14:58:55 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 14:59:16 | jhMikeS | petur: Yeah...that "thingie"... :) |
| 14:59:38 | LinusN | the "subpack" |
| 14:59:41 | petur | yes, it's about the only reason I bought a h340 |
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| 15:00:05 | jhMikeS | LinusN: :D if that's what you call your "thingie" |
| 15:00:21 | LinusN | hahahahaha |
| 15:00:36 | * | Bagder laughs |
| 15:01:05 | * | LinusN laughs at "you need that extra thingie to get to the line-in" |
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| 15:01:25 | petur | :p |
| 15:01:38 | aliask | High class jokes here tonight :D |
| 15:01:41 | LinusN | hehe |
| 15:02:01 | jhMikeS | indeed... |
| 15:02:02 | petur | this afternoon too |
| 15:02:25 | aliask | Is bugzilla used similarly to flyspray? Ie. Can you post patches to them? |
| 15:02:33 | sublimal | Arathis: run tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 15:03:00 | Arathis | sublimal: instead of what? |
| 15:03:17 | Bagder | aliask: bugzilla is the mother of all bug tracking monsters |
| 15:03:34 | aliask | Yes, it's easy to get quite lost. |
| 15:03:53 | Arathis | sublimal: got it |
| 15:03:53 | aliask | Oh well, I'll just post it and see what happens. |
| 15:03:59 | daurnimator | i don't like bugzilla |
| 15:04:10 | * | aliask neither |
| 15:05:13 | jhMikeS | Table on 4-3..ok...I have to pick the "correct" table instead of them all being correct |
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| 15:11:26 | jhMikeS | So basically freescale is saying "This is so complicated you cannot possibly understand it without our software to coddle you"...how partonizing! :) |
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| 15:16:17 | LinusN | jhMikeS: hehe, my feeling too |
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| 15:25:47 | jhMikeS | petur: you never checked if SPDIF worked or you don't use that? |
| 15:26:36 | jhMikeS | LinusN: so you're saying, basically to hold off reverting the recording to master mode on iRiver then? |
| 15:26:49 | LinusN | basically |
| 15:26:59 | LinusN | i can check s/pdif too |
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| 15:27:48 | jhMikeS | I'm curious since it uses another interface of course |
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| 15:35:09 | daurnimator | arg |
| 15:35:19 | daurnimator | my right foot is TOTALLY numb |
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| 15:36:00 | Arathis | rockboxdev.sh gives me the following error: "/home/doerk/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc: error while loading shared libraries: libiconv.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 15:36:16 | Arathis | is this RB related or do I need the iconv-dev package? |
| 15:36:21 | * | JdGordon punches daurnimator in the arm... now your foot doesnt hurt as much :D |
| 15:36:22 | LinusN | daurnimator: this is not the correct forum for this, you should post your comment in the "Rockbox foot care" forum |
| 15:36:50 | Bagder | Arathis: it seems you might need some iconv package, yes |
| 15:36:57 | daurnimator | JdGordon: its not sore |
| 15:37:02 | daurnimator | its numb |
| 15:37:21 | JdGordon | ok, well now u have a numb foot and a sort arm :D |
| 15:37:23 | JdGordon | sore even |
| 15:37:24 | daurnimator | LinusN: care to point me a link to the rockbox podiatry clinic? |
| 15:37:33 | Bagder | Rockbox is about ARMs and boots, but not feet -) |
| 15:37:35 | Arathis | Bagder: hm. I have the iconv package, but I don't know how to compile a -dev package, cause it's not in my repositories |
| 15:37:55 | * | LinusN shows Bagder the yellow card |
| 15:38:21 | jhMikeS | now rockbox causes medical conditions and not just broken iPods...hmmm... |
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| 15:39:36 | daurnimator | jhMikeS: "now"? - it always has |
| 15:39:59 | daurnimator | (which includes now, but you make it sound like it just started) |
| 15:40:16 | jhMikeS | I can show some code that will let you use your DAP as a hotpack on the sore arm :) |
| 15:40:35 | Bagder | always a friendly soul around |
| 15:41:30 | Bagder | Arathis: none of my debian machines have required such a package |
| 15:41:55 | * | petur returns |
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| 15:42:09 | petur | jhMikeS: my h340 doesn't have spdif |
| 15:42:27 | petur | I was just talking for other 'tapers' |
| 15:42:31 | jhMikeS | petur: Didn't know if you had a H1x0 or not |
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| 15:48:28 | jhMikeS | Should we have a codec to write raw pcm data in the native format? That would be the simplest, most reliable way to record. Can make a plugin to covert the data to a file common format later. |
| 15:49:11 | petur | WAV isn't that complex, is it? |
| 15:49:36 | petur | unless we start doing other data-sizes |
| 15:49:39 | jhMikeS | But it has header and it alway converted to little endian on the fly |
| 15:50:00 | petur | plenty of cpu to do just that |
| 15:50:58 | jhMikeS | All that could be done post op and sample rates could do whatever they want...Cool Edit Pro allows loading of raw pcm that can be resaved as anything for instance |
| 15:52:03 | preglow | sox... |
| 15:52:14 | preglow | cool edit pro isn't exactly free, heh |
| 15:52:17 | jhMikeS | No headers, no endian conversion, no mono |
| 15:52:38 | jhMikeS | I've had it a long time (version 1.2). Still works nice |
| 15:52:48 | preglow | 1.2 is nice indeed |
| 15:52:52 | * | preglow loves cool edit pro |
| 15:52:56 | jhMikeS | Actual 1.2a |
| 15:53:00 | preglow | using 1.5 right now |
| 15:53:03 | preglow | 2.0 is adobe hell |
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| 15:53:37 | jhMikeS | My heart was crushed. Did they make it all "user friendly" and non-technical or something? |
| 15:54:03 | preglow | they made it look like some bloated adobe app |
| 15:54:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: If we want to save the byte swap on coldfire whil erecording, we could add aiff recording |
| 15:54:23 | preglow | we should of course add aiff recording too |
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| 15:55:47 | jhMikeS | I'm just thinking I'd love a pcm format that doesn't require one big upfront header that must be correctly written after all data has been flushed. Something for the hardcore "I don't wanna miss a byte of this no matter what" people. |
| 15:56:19 | amiconn | The wav header isn't exactly big... |
| 15:56:32 | amiconn | ...and why would the wav header make you lose bytes? |
| 15:56:46 | jhMikeS | So if your disk fills while recording won't die with an error an have an invalid file |
| 15:57:12 | amiconn | You can always write the wav header even if recording stops because of disk full |
| 15:57:20 | jhMikeS | I suppose it need to be more graceful in handling errors in general. "is_error" doesn't just mean "disk full |
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| 16:00:22 | jhMikeS | Normally it wouldn't. It breaks instead of continuing to try to write data but it could be made to try flushing no matter what and the unwritten bytes are not counted so the header will be valid when it writes it. |
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| 16:02:06 | jhMikeS | Is AIFF really easy? I don't know anything about it. |
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| 16:02:57 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: If the size of the playback codec is anything to go by, then it must be. |
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| 16:04:31 | jhMikeS | Can AIFF have data in either endian? |
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| 16:05:34 | jhMikeS | guess not...big endian...but needs byte swapping on iPod :-\ |
| 16:07:22 | * | petur runs off for a while |
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| 16:16:22 | bluebrother | is there a reason why the philips tuner overwrites all its settings upon entering / leaving sleep mode? |
| 16:16:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, so the simplest recording format on coldfire will be aiff, and on ipod it will be wav |
| 16:17:34 | amiconn | But there's no ipod recording atm anyway |
| 16:17:56 | amiconn | bluebrother: ? |
| 16:18:07 | amiconn | Do you mean the driver or the chip itself? |
| 16:18:18 | jhMikeS | true...linuxstb started some and I put in endianness awareness during the codec compile to help |
| 16:18:32 | bluebrother | in tuner_philips.c the driver resets all values in case RADIO_SLEEP |
| 16:18:48 | bluebrother | this also nukes e.g. the force mono bit |
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| 16:19:49 | bluebrother | I changed it to modify only the affected bits and it works fine for me but I was wondering if there was a good reason doing it the way it's implemented now. |
| 16:19:59 | jhMikeS | I think the radio_on, radio_off, radio_pause should be at a firmware level including a function to tune the radio outside the radio screen. |
| 16:21:45 | jhMikeS | I'd like to be able to set the station from the record screen...it's on my TODO anyway |
| 16:21:59 | amiconn | Imho that's the wrong way 'round |
| 16:22:15 | bluebrother | hmm ... where should the line between firmware and apps get drawn? |
| 16:22:22 | amiconn | Swcodec should allow recording from the radio screen, as hwcodec does |
| 16:23:12 | jhMikeS | It's not. When recording is the primary function that should have ui precedence |
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| 16:26:17 | weazle | some1 id't the chips for the nano 2nd gen yet? |
| 16:27:17 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: I suppose it varies and not always a clean break but the farther down you go the more device specific it should be and more basic in functionality. Controlling the radio is pretty basic functionality. Communicating with it is driver code. |
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| 16:30:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: does the recording from the radio screen allow all the recording features to be used or is it simplified in some way? I wouldn't want to force a simplified interface for radio. |
| 16:31:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's debatable which of the 2 functions is primary when recording from the radio. But the point is, for radio recording it's more useful to have the radio screen controls availabl ethan having the recording screen controls available |
| 16:32:04 | amiconn | You don't need source selection. Volume is in both screens. |
| 16:32:28 | amiconn | The radio screen has station/frequency selection, this is what you said you want to have available as well |
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| 16:32:30 | jhMikeS | Well, simplified radio control from the recording screen and simplified recording from the radio screen would let you pick your priorities |
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| 16:32:48 | amiconn | The recording settings are available from both screens via menu |
| 16:33:24 | amiconn | The only debatable thing is that (currently, on hwcodec) there is no method to control the recording level for radio recording |
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| 16:33:43 | amiconn | That could be added if necessary |
| 16:34:38 | jhMikeS | What about controlling the splitting and pausing/resuming from the radio screen? If the buttons were modal it could work but the x5 is out of room. |
| 16:35:34 | amiconn | Another point is that with recording from radio screen, you can quickly record something (even better with prerecording running). You can't do that with the current swcodec implementation |
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| 16:37:27 | amiconn | With your method, you would have interfaces for listening to the radio |
| 16:37:44 | bluebrother | amiconn, I'm trying to reproduce the bug that station presets aren't loading anymore. |
| 16:38:00 | bluebrother | can you tell me when it happens? I can't reproduce it :( |
| 16:38:21 | jhMikeS | It should work there of course...but a line for setting the station in the recording screen would be nice with select used to set preset/scan |
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| 16:43:39 | jhMikeS | hardware codec radio always has recording initialized. that's kinda silly for SWCODEC. |
| 16:44:22 | jhMikeS | The is a way...a long rec press could take you right into the recording screen and start recording immediately. |
| 16:46:30 | amiconn | Yes, hwcodec always has recording initialised... that should change, as the mas running in recording mode draws more power than in playback mode (although not much if it's only recording standby) |
| 16:47:01 | amiconn | Instead, we could shut down the dsp core completely, only leaving the audio codec running |
| 16:47:44 | amiconn | It would still be possible to record from the radio screen, just with a slightly higher delay |
| 16:47:48 | jhMikeS | It should only be on in both forms in prerecording radio is specified |
| 16:48:01 | amiconn | Yes, exactly |
| 16:49:16 | amiconn | On archos fmrecorder, the additional power draw from the mas is less obvious, because the non-spinning disk saves power (vs. playback) |
| 16:49:27 | amiconn | On Ondio it _is_ obvious... |
| 16:49:50 | jhMikeS | You hardly notice a delay in most cases except for codec loading. The recoding screen could seem more "radio like" when invoked from the radio screen and maybe save some duplication of code between screens. |
| 16:50:29 | amiconn | Hmm. What about making those screens modular? |
| 16:50:40 | amiconn | Each screen could have 2 parts |
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| 16:51:24 | jhMikeS | That's where I was going kinda...maybe they should be the same screens even |
| 16:51:28 | * | amiconn needs to add a state machine for the mas, also wrt pcm recording and playback |
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| 16:53:31 | jhMikeS | Wasn't there something in the wiki about not being able to reprogram that chip? I guess that's been figured out then. |
| 16:53:44 | pondlife | lostlogic: around? I think I've got rid of cur_ti and would like to commit this bit |
| 16:54:03 | pondlife | Well, I know I've got rid of it, and all seems well... but you mentioned you had problems before. |
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| 16:56:15 | pondlife | I'm going to do some mini-commits of the playback simplifications that don't break anything. |
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| 17:06:52 | jhMikeS | why do we have an "LCD Mode" option for the main LCD on x5 now? |
| 17:07:08 | jhMikeS | And the one for the remote is broken at last check |
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| 17:08:01 | jhMikeS | guess its ok on the remote now... |
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| 17:11:28 | pondlife | Oh, heck - I'll commit it anyway.. |
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| 17:13:19 | webguest69 | Hello. Where are functions for fixed point arithmetics? In particular * and /? |
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| 17:17:03 | linuxstb | webguest69: Everywhere... e.g. libmad, Tremor, dsp.c. There's no single fixed-point library in Rockbox (yet). |
| 17:18:39 | webguest69 | linuxstb: so every module programs it "from scratch" (or via copy-paste?) |
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| 17:20:01 | linuxstb | Well, all the codec libraries (libmad, Tremor etc) come with their own fixed-point implementations. |
| 17:21:02 | linuxstb | But creating a fixed-point lib in Rockbox has been discussed, it's just that no-one has got around to doing it. |
| 17:22:48 | webguest69 | linuxstb: Linus insists that I use fixed point math in FS #6145. I see absolutely no performance issue there but as he's God in RB I try to obey. What would you recommend? |
| 17:24:35 | ]MrFWorK[ | for some reason i can't get wavpack files to play on my ihp-120 with a fairly new build, any ideas |
| 17:25:53 | linuxstb | webguest69: It's not just performance, using floating point increases code size as well. |
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| 17:27:28 | linuxstb | webguest69: But I'm afraid I can't help you with that, I've never done any fixed-point programming. But I'm sure you can find lots of references on the web. Or ask here again later when other people might be around who do know. |
| 17:27:46 | webguest69 | linuxstb: so what would you recommend? I've seen that a fixed point impl is made with lot of #ifdef etc. So it wouldbe a big mess for me. Is it that much more code? |
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| 17:28:11 | webguest69 | linuxstb: sorry, didn't see your reply. Ok, I'll ask later. |
| 17:30:03 | dpro | OT anyone knows a quick way to figure out the gcc version that was used to compile the currently running kernel (gnu/linux) ... I get nasty "invalid module format" errors .... |
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| 17:34:26 | dpro | found it it's like strings moduleknowntowork.ko | grep "gcc-" |
| 17:35:05 | dpro | oh and theres a modinfo command ;) |
| 17:35:10 | dpro | </OT> |
| 17:35:21 | bluebrother | just wanted to mention modinfo |
| 17:35:29 | bluebrother | too slow |
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| 17:37:03 | webguest69 | linuxstb: what range can we store in a long int? |
| 17:39:20 | hcs | webguest69: it might be best to specify the exact size you want, say with int32_t |
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| 17:42:27 | webguest69 | hcs: what range could we hold then (in int32_t)? Is there an unsigned variant of it? |
| 17:42:33 | hcs | uint32_ |
| 17:42:36 | hcs | *uint32_t |
| 17:42:46 | hcs | just a 32-bit integer |
| 17:43:06 | hcs | this can cause performance issues, though, as I am now discovering |
| 17:43:49 | webguest69 | hcs: that's not for a performance critical place |
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| 17:45:54 | hcs | range of an unsigned 32-bit integer is 0 to 4,294,967,295, according to my calculator, signed is -2,147,283,648 to 2,147,483,647 |
| 17:46:17 | webguest69 | hcs: ok, thanks! |
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| 17:49:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: We have received the pcm codec for the MAS3500 F serie and permission to use it from archos & micronas |
| 17:49:37 | amiconn | There is a wavplay plugin for some months which works just fine |
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| 18:14:56 | jhMikeS | amiconn: interesting. It's not in source form? |
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| 18:18:28 | hcs | unsurprisingly, a dumb loop with addition that often only runs through once is overall faster than the equivalent division/remainder that only runs through once |
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| 18:41:52 | Arathis | could someone be so kind an compile a logf version of the newest cvs? I have some problems compiling it regarding libiconv |
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| 18:42:41 | barrywardell | for which target? |
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| 18:45:43 | Arathis | H10 |
| 18:45:58 | barrywardell | 20GB? |
| 18:46:12 | Arathis | yes |
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| 18:47:10 | barrywardell | i have one here - just a sec... |
| 18:47:53 | Arathis | barrywardell: latest build? |
| 18:48:11 | barrywardell | doing a cvs update now before i recompile |
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| 18:59:41 | hcs | crap, got an "unable to find register to spill" error |
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| 19:01:00 | barrywardell | Arathis: barrywardell.net/assets/files/rockbox.zip">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/rockbox.zip |
| 19:01:32 | Arathis | thanks barrywardell |
| 19:02:03 | Arathis | hopefully this will show me where tag-cache stucks |
| 19:04:51 | godzirra | hm. |
| 19:04:52 | hcs | as far as I can tell from googling this is an internal compiler error, anything I can do besides juggling some code around and hoping? |
| 19:04:55 | godzirra | my 5.5g freezes on startup now. |
| 19:04:56 | godzirra | I'm not sure why. |
| 19:05:46 | Kalthare | godzirra: I didn't have time yesterday to properly test the patch. It's got some bad problems. |
| 19:05:58 | godzirra | Oh? |
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| 19:06:53 | linuxstb | hcs: Which version of gcc are you using? |
| 19:08:01 | Kalthare | It panics if you try to write anywhere past the first quarter of the disc. I think I fixed that check, but now it hangs during music playback, and I'm not going to post an update to the patch until I figure out why. |
| 19:08:27 | * | godzirra nods. |
| 19:08:29 | godzirra | well damn. |
| 19:08:42 | godzirra | Let me know if you need anything I can help wiht, or just need someone else to test. |
| 19:09:08 | hcs | linuxstb: 3.4.6 |
| 19:09:16 | hcs | as built by the build script |
| 19:10:07 | linuxstb | Kalthare: It's not urgent, but I would be curious what results the "test_fps" plugin gives on your 5g. Details are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 19:10:16 | linuxstb | hcs: For Coldfire? |
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| 19:10:20 | hcs | linuxstb: yeah |
| 19:11:28 | hcs | Still getting it, after removing some stuff I had meant to remove anyway. This started after I converted some divisions to while loops. |
| 19:14:36 | godzirra | Kalthare: I'm guessing no idea on timeframe? Just debating whether to bother switching my ipod back to *sigh* itunes. :) |
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| 19:15:36 | Kalthare | godzirra: No idea at all. I'm a little busy today. I'm ding what I can. |
| 19:16:19 | godzirra | Kalthare: ALl good. Not trying to rush you or anything, was just curious. :) |
| 19:16:59 | Kalthare | linuxstb: 1/1: 23.0 fps 1/4: 45.5 fps CPU: 30000000 Hz |
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| 19:17:29 | Kalthare | godzirra: I know. Just letting you know my status. |
| 19:18:07 | linuxstb | Kalthare: That's slightly faster than the reported speed of the 5g on the wiki page.... |
| 19:18:30 | linuxstb | Although that test is 10 months old... |
| 19:18:35 | linuxstb | s/10/6/ |
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| 19:19:59 | Kalthare | linuxstb: Not sure what that info is useful for, but I hope it helped. :) |
| 19:20:45 | linuxstb | It measure the speed Rockbox can update the LCD. |
| 19:21:05 | linuxstb | I was just curious if there is any difference in that between the 5gs. |
| 19:21:18 | linuxstb | I'm just about to run it on my 5g now. |
| 19:23:35 | linuxstb | I get 22.5 and 45.5 at 30MHz. So it looks like they are about the same - and somehow it's faster than it was in April... |
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| 19:25:16 | Kalthare | Well, let's hear it for small improvements then :) |
| 19:26:31 | godzirra | Hmm.. so we're back to only having the mbr editing option? |
| 19:26:41 | hcs | linuxstb: if I remove enough of these loops the error goes away, but it doesn't seem to relate to any one of them in particular |
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| 19:29:44 | Kalthare | godzirra: Well, if you want a stable system right now, that's the only way, unfortunately. |
| 19:30:21 | godzirra | All good. Some is better than none :) |
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| 19:46:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, no source code. Just the codec binary in the form of several large char arrays, and example C code (for the host CPU) how to download the codec to the MAS |
| 19:49:56 | Arathis | barrywardell: do you see why tag-cache won't work on my player? http://www.sinlos.net/dirk/h10/logf.txt |
| 19:51:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: they still can't just hand out the docs on writing them huh? |
| 19:51:55 | amiconn | Perhaps they could, but in fact I prefer it this way |
| 19:52:18 | jhMikeS | Why...could write our own then |
| 19:52:25 | amiconn | Some docs about the dsp core leaked, and therefore I knwo a bit about the assembly language |
| 19:52:37 | amiconn | I prefer not having to deal with this |
| 19:52:41 | jhMikeS | ahh |
| 19:53:03 | amiconn | Harvard architecture, and the dev has to ensure pipeline synchronisation |
| 19:53:36 | Arathis | or does anyone else get a clue about my logfile regarding tag-cache? |
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| 19:55:02 | amiconn | If one instruction calculates some value and another instruction needs the result of the first one, you must nost place the instruction too close. Otherwise insn #2 would just use the old register value before insn #1 updates it |
| 19:56:23 | jhMikeS | heh...the opposite of the stall problem...the race problem :P |
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| 19:57:30 | Arathis | nobody? :( |
| 19:57:36 | amiconn | Yes, the MAS core doesn't stall when data isn't ready |
| 19:58:08 | jhMikeS | I kind of like that idea...wish it were more common actually |
| 19:58:43 | amiconn | Arathis: tagcache failed init |
| 19:58:43 | amiconn | too long entry! |
| 19:59:03 | Arathis | amiconn: yes but what's ment by this? |
| 19:59:12 | Arathis | which entry is too long? |
| 19:59:36 | Arathis | sry, I'm just a bit tired. (physical and mental) |
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| 20:01:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: /home/rbclient/build-h120/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf: final close failed: No space left on device |
| 20:01:27 | amiconn | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:01:34 | amiconn | ...on your build server... |
| 20:02:50 | Arathis | amiconn: could you exlain it to me? please |
| 20:03:01 | jhMikeS | What's with a build estimate of 32min:52s !?! |
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| 20:04:32 | jhMikeS | It of course crashed on me again yesterday...but it is getting closer to Friday the 13th. |
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| 20:23:42 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Thanks for the heads-up - I've cleared a few GB now. |
| 20:25:31 | barrywardell | Arathis: looking at apps/tagcache.c:2068, that's where that error appears |
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| 20:26:09 | Arathis | barrywardell: so it's code related not player related? |
| 20:26:36 | barrywardell | i'm not sure, but it's probabl that you either have a filename that's too long |
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| 20:26:40 | barrywardell | or a tag that's too long |
| 20:27:31 | Arathis | hm..but it worked before and I didn't change any tag or filename, even didn't copy anything else than the rockbox files on the player |
| 20:27:58 | Arathis | would be nice if the logfile could be more precise :/ |
| 20:29:07 | barrywardell | you could add more logf() lines in with more info if you wanted |
| 20:29:18 | barrywardell | but you'd have to get a logf build to compile then |
| 20:30:20 | Arathis | barrywardell: as said before I had problems getting the arm-elf-gcc to compile so I couldn't compile my own build till now either :( |
| 20:31:23 | Kalthare | Can that VMware thing build the h10 target? |
| 20:32:41 | barrywardell | probably. it can build for the ipods, right? if so then almost definitely yes |
| 20:33:36 | Kalthare | Maybe you should try that, Arathis. |
| 20:34:14 | Arathis | i'll try. is it in the wiki? |
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| 20:34:45 | Kalthare | I think so. Do a search for vmware. |
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| 20:42:03 | Slasheri | Arathis: it means that a tag is longer than MAX_PATH |
| 20:42:15 | Slasheri | you can add more logf lines to see which filename has the problem |
| 20:42:24 | Slasheri | and then check that file with a tag editor |
| 20:44:14 | Arathis | Slasheri: btw how or which lines shall I add to which file? apps/tagcache.c ? |
| 20:44:38 | Arathis | I don't have a clue about C, C+ or whatever RB is coded |
| 20:44:54 | Slasheri | Arathis: yep, apps/tagcache.c. Then find all lines which have something like "too long entry!" |
| 20:45:03 | Slasheri | and add more logfs next to those lines |
| 20:46:18 | Slasheri | Arathis: ah, in fact printing the filename isn't that trivial because you would need to read in more data from the commit file |
| 20:46:30 | Slasheri | but you can print the current position of the commit file instead: |
| 20:47:05 | Slasheri | logf("pos=%d", lseek(tmpfd, 0, SEEK_CURRENT)); |
| 20:47:25 | Slasheri | and then use a hex editor on pc and find the correct position |
| 20:47:32 | Slasheri | there you can see the filename and all other data |
| 20:47:43 | Arathis | okay, I'm downloading the vmimage. perhaps it's better to explain if I have it there |
| 20:47:47 | Slasheri | (hexedit on tagcache_tmp.tcd) |
| 20:48:04 | Arathis | cause I don't understand anything you said ^^ |
| 20:48:09 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
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| 21:12:24 | hcs | I just got a data abort on my iPod somewhere up around e8000000 |
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| 21:24:20 | amiconn | Slasheri: Why doesn't tagcache just truncate overly long entries? |
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| 21:26:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: it should when creating the commit file.. but apparently there might be a bug |
| 21:28:34 | amiconn | ah |
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| 21:29:10 | PaulJam | Slasheri: have you read what i wrote yesterday at 14:52 ? |
| 21:30:29 | Slasheri | PaulJam: yes, i noticed it but i am not able to reproduce that :/ |
| 21:30:33 | Slasheri | i will try with simulator soon |
| 21:32:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you had any more thoughts about the h300 warnings? |
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| 21:33:52 | amiconn | I think the native bitmap functions should be removed from the multi-screen api and be used directly, at least for now |
| 21:35:05 | hcs | linuxstb: I was able to clear up the errors with a liberal sprinkling of const |
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| 21:36:35 | hcs | which was probably a good idea to have in anyway |
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| 21:38:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm not against that, but it does seem a backwards step... |
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| 21:41:09 | amiconn | I didn't say it's optimal... |
| 21:41:48 | amiconn | But then, the usb logo display is the first (and so far only) place that uses screen->bitmap |
| 21:43:00 | PaulJam | Slasheri: i have now tried to reproduce the crash with a cvs build on target and it happens there too. this is what i did to reproduce: reset settings, select a song from the filebrowser, then call the quickmenu from wps and set fileview to tagcache, leave the quickmenu and then press navi -> freeze. |
| 21:44:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll do that then. I agree that none of the solutions are nice. |
| 21:45:26 | Slasheri | PaulJam: ok, thanks. i will try that tomorrow |
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| 21:51:35 | PaulJam | does the problem with the disappearing disklabel also appear on the h300? or can someone tell me how to view the disk label under linux? |
| 21:53:03 | petur | haven't heard a long time of that issue |
| 21:53:12 | PaulJam | linux now mounts my h300 as "usbdisk". a few hours ago it was mounted as "H300" |
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| 21:53:48 | sneakums | PaulJam: mdir from mtools should show it in the listing, also mlabel |
| 21:54:06 | sneakums | if you have a recent kernel with udev, have a look in /dev/disk/by-label |
| 21:55:58 | Davide-NYC | Request for Help: trying to run the profiling script on a profile.out file I generated to profile aac.c |
| 21:56:12 | Davide-NYC | error = No symbols found |
| 21:56:32 | Davide-NYC | and error = could not open profile file although it is there and contains data |
| 21:57:00 | Davide-NYC | never mind the could not find error, it was a typo |
| 21:57:08 | Lear | You need to specify the map file(s) and some .a file at least to get symbols... |
| 21:57:12 | PaulJam | under /dev/disk/by-label it is not listed |
| 21:57:55 | Davide-NYC | thansk lear |
| 21:58:02 | Lear | For AAC, that'd could be apps/codecs/aac.map libm4a.a libfaad.a |
| 21:58:53 | Davide-NYC | both lib files or either/or |
| 21:59:05 | Davide-NYC | *lib.a |
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| 21:59:41 | Lear | Both lib files. |
| 21:59:58 | Lear | libfaad is the most interesting one though. |
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| 22:01:09 | linuxstb | Lear: Is 256kbit/s AAC playing realtime on Coldfire now? |
| 22:02:18 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb: yes, I did some testing on a H1x0 yesterday |
| 22:02:19 | Lear | Yes, last time I checked at least. Not with that much margin... |
| 22:02:20 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 22:02:32 | Davide-NYC | CPU boost ratios available there |
| 22:03:22 | linuxstb | So even 400kbit/s files are playing? |
| 22:04:00 | Davide-NYC | they do play |
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| 22:04:19 | Davide-NYC | I've had lock-ups going in and out of the view audio thread screen at that bitrate though |
| 22:04:28 | Davide-NYC | let me get the exact error |
| 22:04:57 | Davide-NYC | I40:PDIR1FULL at 00000000 |
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| 22:08:16 | Davide-NYC | Lear: I'm still getting no symbol found error |
| 22:09:07 | Davide-NYC | I copied the lib/a files to the rockbox root dir since it was giving a "no file found" error when I pointed the script to the files |
| 22:09:40 | Davide-NYC | so I have profile.out aac.map libm4a.a and libfaad.a in the same dir |
| 22:09:45 | Lear | I usually do the other way around, copy the profile out file... |
| 22:09:55 | Lear | But that should work too... |
| 22:10:12 | Davide-NYC | no dice. just a series of No symbol found warnings |
| 22:10:28 | Lear | As long as you got the files from the build you used to create the .out file. |
| 22:12:13 | Davide-NYC | Not understanding you. |
| 22:12:17 | Davide-NYC | (sorry) |
| 22:12:32 | Davide-NYC | what is my expected output? (to standard out) |
| 22:12:35 | Lear | And you need to specify what sort of output you want to get anything more. I usually use "1" |
| 22:12:55 | Lear | You put that last on the line. |
| 22:13:15 | Lear | Write "1_p" to get things as percentages instead of absolute values. |
| 22:13:48 | Davide-NYC | got it! thanks |
| 22:13:57 | Davide-NYC | I will post this musery to the forum |
| 22:14:02 | Davide-NYC | *misery |
| 22:14:29 | Davide-NYC | are the resulkts relevant if more than one bitrate file were used during profiling? |
| 22:14:36 | * | Davide-NYC must learn to type! |
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| 22:15:41 | Lear | Should be, at least if you stick to one AAC profile, and not mix LC-AAC with HE-AAC... |
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| 22:16:18 | Lear | But you got playback on Nero files, without any modifications to them? |
| 22:16:19 | Davide-NYC | they were all nero encoded files with all of the same settings other than bitrate |
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| 22:16:37 | Davide-NYC | Is there a way to get the output sort in reverse order of function calls? |
| 22:16:49 | Davide-NYC | most called first... |
| 22:17:15 | Lear | Just type the name of the parsing script, it will show you all the kinds of outputs you can get. |
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| 22:17:59 | Lear | The files the Nero encoder created for me were not streamable, so they wouldn't play without changes... |
| 22:22:14 | Davide-NYC | before or after yesterday's m4a aprser changes? |
| 22:22:18 | Davide-NYC | *parser |
| 22:22:22 | PaulJam_ | hmm, according to mdir my h300 has no label anymore |
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| 22:23:19 | Davide-NYC | Lear: they should play on iriver now |
| 22:24:03 | petur | PaulJam_: ouch! |
| 22:24:36 | Davide-NYC | Lear: on Oct 11 Magnus Holmgren committed Improved MP4 file parsing. everything became playable after that |
| 22:24:46 | Davide-NYC | (at least for me) |
| 22:24:58 | * | linuxstb suspects Lear knows that... |
| 22:25:15 | wibbix | Hello folks. I've working with markun on porting to the gigabeat. I'm able to compile rockbox now (not saying it's correct) but the resulting rockbox binary is VERY big. Just over 1 GB. Suggestions on where I should look? |
| 22:25:33 | wibbix | The elf seems ok, tho. |
| 22:25:39 | wibbix | size wise, that is. |
| 22:26:05 | * | petur mutters something about feature bloat :p |
| 22:26:30 | Bagder | wibbix: sounds like a bad .lds |
| 22:26:36 | wibbix | app.lds? |
| 22:26:36 | Bagder | check the .map |
| 22:27:01 | Bagder | yes. app.lds |
| 22:27:22 | Bagder | probably you have some symbols at 0x0 that shouldn't be there |
| 22:27:59 | wibbix | cursed vectors... |
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| 22:28:34 | Lear | davide-nyc: before and after. The Nero encoder I use create non-streamable files, and they sure won't play. |
| 22:28:51 | Davide-NYC | which target? |
| 22:30:00 | bluebrother | how can I get the PID of a bash script from inside that script? |
| 22:30:08 | Bagder | bluebrother: $$ |
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| 22:30:30 | bluebrother | thanks |
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| 22:31:29 | Davide-NYC | Is 'streamability' an encoding option? |
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| 22:35:14 | Lear | Not normally, as far as I've seen. It's the order in which the encoder puts the data in the file. |
| 22:35:48 | Lear | Now, where has Ahead hidden that free encoder download page... |
| 22:39:09 | * | linuxstb spots flac 1.1.3-beta1 |
| 22:39:53 | linuxstb | Argh! FLAC now supports embedded images... |
| 22:41:01 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:41:22 | linuxstb | Changelog here if anyone is interested: http://flac.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/flac/flac/doc/html/changelog.html |
| 22:42:28 | Lear | Ah, I had downloaded the latest Nero encoder, but apparantly not installed it. :) |
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| 22:47:58 | Davide-NYC | hmm, shouldn't playback work for files encoded with older encoders? Should we host the old nero encoder for future 'backward compatibility" testing? |
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| 22:52:38 | * | linuxstb is relieved to see a green build table. |
| 22:52:49 | Lear | Not easy to fix, at least with current Rockbox. Testing compatibility should be fairly easy; I'm pretty sure Foobar2000 0.9.x has an option for where the metata should be. |
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| 22:53:37 | * | Lear still sees reds and yellows... :) |
| 22:54:02 | linuxstb | True, but I didn't directly cause those... |
| 22:57:20 | linuxstb | Anyone have any idea what the new flac REPLAYGAIN_REFERENCE_LOUDNESS tag is for? |
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| 23:02:01 | Lear | Guess: the reference level used when calculating the replaygain value. Typically 89 dB. |
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| 23:03:08 | linuxstb | Yes, that seems to be it. I think it's hard-coded to be "89.0 dB" |
| 23:03:52 | iRocks | hey has anybody gotten rockbox on ipod 5.5g 30gig from windows to work... im in cmd right now and it won't find my ipod |
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| 23:04:37 | Davide-NYC | Does anyone know of the existence (or not) of a standalone CLI WMA encoder? |
| 23:04:56 | linuxstb | iRocks: Rockbox on the new 5gs is still experimental. You need to patch (i.e. change the source code and compile yourself) the Rockbox bootloader, Rockbox itself and the various tools like ipod_fw and ipodpatcher. |
| 23:05:08 | linuxstb | iRocks: Even when you do all that, it's still not working reliably. |
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| 23:05:11 | Davide-NYC | I found the Windows Media Encoding Script but it requires Windows Media Payer (I think) |
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| 23:05:32 | iRocks | i have a compiled rockbox that's been patched and a patched ipod_fw.exe |
| 23:05:50 | linuxstb | Do you have a patched ipodpatcher.exe? |
| 23:05:59 | iRocks | no i don't |
| 23:06:38 | iRocks | i didn't realize that ipodpatcher.exe had to be patched also |
| 23:06:52 | linuxstb | It does. |
| 23:07:11 | iRocks | if you have it could you upload it for me (i'm too lazy to compile my own plus this computer doesn't have anything pretty much installed on it) |
| 23:07:24 | linuxstb | No, I don't have it. |
| 23:07:29 | iRocks | ah ok |
| 23:07:45 | iRocks | has anybody uploaded it already? |
| 23:10:00 | iRocks | or can anybody tell me where the patch is located? |
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| 23:11:08 | Bagder | iRocks: its been discussed in the forums |
| 23:11:16 | Bagder | iirc |
| 23:12:17 | iRocks | i only see a patch for ipod_fw.exe |
| 23:12:23 | iRocks | or ipod_fw.c rather |
| 23:14:35 | linuxstb | iRocks: I don't know if it will work, but try this: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.3-5g2k.zip |
| 23:15:02 | iRocks | thanks i'll try it |
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| 23:32:18 | Kalthare | The patched Rockbox for the new 30GB is still too unstable to use. |
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| 23:35:06 | linuxstb | Kalthare: I told iRocks that... Have you had chance to investigate yet? |
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| 23:37:07 | Kalthare | Well, I started to investigate it, but I haven't learned much. I should have less distraction now, so I may have more success. |
| 23:37:49 | * | petur also has less distraction now |
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| 23:39:57 | linuxstb | Kalthare: You should try and catch Zagor's attention - he did most of the work on the Rockbox fat driver. But he's not around much these days. |
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| 23:42:47 | Kalthare | I was gonna ask if the person who wrote that driver was still around.. |
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| 23:47:40 | * | LinusN looks at the (C) line in fat.c |
| 23:48:08 | petur | :) |
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| 23:49:07 | iRocks | alright ihave rockbox installed, but like kathlere said, its unstable |
| 23:49:23 | iRocks | does anybody know if any progress has been made since two days ago? |
| 23:49:43 | * | linuxstb looks at "cvs log fat.c" |
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| 23:50:39 | Kalthare | Well, the patch happened yesterday. I haven't fixed it yet, no. |
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| 23:52:01 | iRocks | my question is, will it be as simple as just replacing the .rockbox folder on the root of my ipod or will i have to completely reinstall rockbox? |
| 23:53:02 | Kalthare | Replacing rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder should do the trick. |
| 23:53:36 | iRocks | ah thanks goodness |
| 23:53:52 | iRocks | also, is it possible to switch back to apple os (what button do i hold during startup)? |
| 23:54:24 | Kalthare | You hold the menu button, but it doesn't seem to work very often |
| 23:54:36 | iRocks | o ok |
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| 23:56:37 | linuxstb | The most reliable way is to shut down Rockbox (long press on play), then turn the ipod on by pressing menu, and keep your finger down on menu until you see the Rockbox bootloader display "Loading original firmware." |
| 23:57:03 | hcs | very rarely works for me |
| 23:57:15 | linuxstb | Works every time for me. |
| 23:57:21 | scorche | and make sure to keep your thumb very still ;) |
| 23:57:42 | hcs | ooh, turn on with menu, keep holding menu, that seems to work |
| 23:58:02 | iRocks | well almost appears as if im screwed |
| 23:58:06 | Kalthare | I mean on the 5.5. It's very unreliable for some reason. The Apple firmware fails to load almost every time. |
| 23:58:28 | iRocks | turning off the ipod writes to the hdd so it crashes, and when it boots the original, it crashes |
| 23:58:48 | linuxstb | Do you mean the Apple firmware fails to load, or the Rockbox bootloader doesn't detect the MENU keypress and just loads Rockbox? |
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