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#rockbox log for 2006-10-12

00:00:06sneakumsyou'd be amazing at what happens in a dirty tree
00:00:12sneakumser, amazed
00:00:31godzirranope. Except same error.
00:00:58linuxstb_Have you compiled Rockbox before?
00:03:39godzirraI can scrap it and do a completely new checkout I guess?
00:04:26godzirraI didnt add the arm-elf path to my path
00:04:30godzirraI just created a symlink
00:04:36godzirraand apparently that makes it unhappy.
00:04:55linuxstb_It does indeed - it's not just arm-elf-gcc that's needed.
00:05:06sneakumsyou need arm-elf-ar and arm-elf-ranlib
00:05:18sneakumsalthough i think gnu ar obviates the need to ever run ranlib anyway
00:07:16KalthareSo, what would be involved in making 5.5G a new port, and is it warranted?
00:07:33godzirraSo is the only way to get back the original mbr is an ipod flavored restore?
00:07:41godzirraor does someone have an mbr.bin from a 30g 5.5g they can send me?
00:07:46godzirrasorry :)
00:07:52linuxstb_Kaltare; We should try and not create a separate build if possible.
00:08:54Kaltharelinuxstb_: Making the code able to use both half-K and two-K sectors in the same build would be all kinds of more complicated.
00:09:49bluewormstill no dice... hangs on boot...
00:11:03Kalthareblueworm: What messages does it print?
00:11:24amiconnDo all 5.5G's have 64MB of RAM? Or only the 80GB model?
00:12:40Kalthareamiconn: Um, how do I check?
00:13:00amiconnI don't know
00:13:24bluewormRockbox boot loader\n Version: 20061011-1331\n IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF\n TOSHIBA MK8010GAH\n
00:13:32thegeek_I think only the 80gb has 64
00:13:37linuxstb_Kaltare: Try writing to it from the bootloader (before Rockbox remaps it).
00:14:09thegeek_and the 30 has 32
00:14:13Kaltharelinuxstb_: Writing to what?
00:14:22linuxstb_SDRAM is mapped to 0x10000000 initially, and then the first 32MB is remapped to 0x00000000.
00:14:34linuxstb_Kalthare: RAM in the 32MB-64MB range.
00:15:01bluewormshall I change the RAM size in the configure script?
00:15:27linuxstb_The remapping only happens in Rockbox itself, not the bootloader.
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00:16:22Kaltharelinuxstb_: Um, if you give me a patch, I'll try it.
00:17:00*blueworm me too!
00:17:41Soapamiconn - the "teardown" of a 30GB 5.5gen ipod I just read refered to its 256Mb memory chip.
00:18:01linuxstb_I guess that answers the question then...
00:18:21godzirraso after I finish the make, I should have a rockbox.ipod in my current directory, right?
00:18:53linuxstb_After you do make, run "make zip" to create the archive, then unzip it to your ipod (unzip -d /mnt/ipod)
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00:19:27Kaltharethe 'b' is for 'bit'
00:19:36blueworm512Mb the 80Gb ;)
00:20:11thegeek_I think that is pretty clear;P
00:20:50KalthareSo the 30GB only has half as much RAM. I wish I knew that before.
00:20:50godzirraAhh awesome.
00:21:12thegeek_I'm going for the 80gb *drool*
00:21:23godzirrawhat difference does it make?
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00:22:14godzirraerr hm.
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00:22:22godzirraIt said it skipped a bunch of files
00:22:27godzirraSkip iAmp.wps due to size restraints
00:22:39KalthareThose are non-iPod WPSes.
00:22:39godzirralike 6 wps files, then I got this: xargs: zip: No such file or directory
00:22:40Soapthe whole lack of proper "b" and "B" use is killing me.
00:22:46linuxstb_That's normal - it skips WPSs which don't fit your LCD size.
00:22:57godzirrabut no ip file
00:22:59KalthareYou need info-zip installed.
00:23:05godzirraGot it.
00:23:30godzirrahrm... is there a debian package?
00:23:40linuxstb_apt-get install zip
00:23:44linuxstb_(and unzip)
00:24:04godzirraoh woops, didnt have zip
00:24:06godzirraI thought I had both.
00:24:36godzirraAww, I don't get the dancing puffballs on my ipod :(
00:24:49godzirrayay! I have a zip file.
00:25:00Mr530sorry to be a n00b but where's the ipod.fw located?
00:25:18KalthareI actually thought about trying to make the code work with either 512- or 2048-byte sectors, but I decided against it due to the sheer amount of code that has the sector size hard-coded, and the amount of potential instability it would introduce for _everybody_, not just 5.5G users. Does that make sense?
00:25:26Mr530its not under ipod_control>device
00:26:30thegeek_why can't we just make the secor size a define?
00:26:59KalthareIt is already. But they don't want 5.5G to be a separate build, if possible.
00:27:08linuxstb_That will mean that once support for 64MB RAM is included in CVS, we'll have 4 5g builds...
00:27:35linuxstb_And technically, they're not 5.5g - Apple are just calling them "Late 2006" Fifth Generation.
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00:28:14linuxstb_It's similar to the LCD change that happened shortly after the Photo became the Color (Colors come with two different LCDs)
00:28:41KalthareWell, what I'm asking is, what needs to happen next?
00:28:45bluewormgtkpod calls the 6G
00:28:57linuxstb_blueworm: That's just wrong...
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00:29:16bluewormred ink... nice
00:29:18KalthareYeah, that's just inviting disaster when the real 6G comes out
00:29:29SoapI've been reading more and more (rumors) that the "video ipod" will be a entirely new line. Not a replacement for the current "ipod w/video" This makes me happy. I don't want a fullscreen battery eating music player.
00:30:14sneakumsinstead you want a fullscreen battery-eating video player?
00:32:09KalthareSo.. the 80GB model still doesn't work with the patch?
00:32:12Soapnope. I want the choice to have a large HD based player w/o getting a full screen and a "touch screen" at that.
00:32:29linuxstb_Kalthare: First thing would be to post your patch to the patch tracker and get feedback (and also do more testing to make sure everything is working OK).
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00:33:08bluewormKalthare: Not so far.
00:33:12linuxstb_Kalthare: We also need to update ipod_fw and ipodpatcher and release new binaries.
00:34:10sneakumsKalthare: my testing seemed to show that it gets STATUS_ERR trying to read the MBR
00:35:11sneakumsso the patch wouldn't make any difference there
00:35:19KalthareThat's not a problem I know how to approach..
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00:37:46sneakumsyeah, me either
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00:38:26weazleeej webmind jij hier ;p
00:38:36weazlehi all
00:39:27KalthareIt does the same thing, with and without the patch?
00:40:16sneakumsi haven't tried with the patch
00:40:24sneakumsbut it's the vert first disk read it ever does
00:40:32sneakumsit can't even read the MBR
00:41:33KalthareRight.. so the patch shouldn't affect it anyway..
00:41:38bluewormsneakums: are you brave enough to try Kalthare mbr?
00:42:19sneakumssure, when i get home
00:42:44Kaltharesneakums: What was it that you wanted me to check?
00:43:00sneakumsata_device_init() (see firmware/target/arm/ata-pp5020.c) does
00:43:00sneakums outl(inl(0xc3000028) | (1 << 5), 0xc3000028);
00:43:01sneakums outl(inl(0xc3000028) & ~0x10000000, 0xc3000028);
00:43:13sneakumsso on my ipod, inl(0xc3000028) is inl(0xc3000028)
00:43:20sneakumsso on my ipod, inl(0xc3000028) is 0x20150020
00:43:37sneakumswhich is the IDE control register (or it should be, according to ipodlinux's PP5020 page)
00:43:48sneakumsso i want to find out if it's the same on the 30GB G5.5 ipods
00:43:56sneakumsif it isn't, then something must be up
00:45:01sneakumsi'd give you a patch to print the register to the LCD, but my laptop at home seems to have falled off the net
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00:46:32sneakumsbut the function you need is something like this: void lcd_log_int(char *msg, int i) { extern int line; char buf[80]; snprintf(buf, sizeof buf, "%s %08x", i); lcd_puts(buf); lcd_update(); line++; }
00:46:38sneakumsand you'll need to
00:46:51sneakums#include <stdio.h> and "lcd.h"
00:47:09sneakumser, snprintf(buf, sizeof buf, "%s %08x", msg, i);
00:47:22sneakumsi think that's about right, i'm doing it from memory
00:48:30KalthareWell, lemme see what I can do..
00:48:51sneakumsno rush, if it comes to it i can build a bootloader for someone to try
00:49:23sneakumsor if someone who knows iPod ATA could tell us whether that looks like a valid config register value or not
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01:00:06KalthareWhat should the 5.5G be called in ipod_fw?
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01:00:51ScorchedI just installed Rockbox on a 3g ipod under winxp. After rebooting the ipod, rockbox is running, but I get an "Unknown Device" error when I connect via usb. Any ideas?
01:01:12sneakumsi think apple calls it "5G (late 2006)"
01:01:52ScorchedI looked up the device in the device manager, and ipod is at location zero, but I can't even get the ipodupdater app to recognize it there.
01:02:02KalthareI mean for the -g option
01:03:44excitatoryso i was told in this channel yesterday that my nano only transfers in usb 1.1 mode while in emergency disk mode. is this true? (i think it might be, since it takes well over 20 minutes to fill it's 2gb capacity)
01:04:13midkayexcitatory: it's true indeed.
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01:04:33midkayit's considerably slower at least, i'm pretty sure it only goes at 1.1 speeds.
01:04:38*jhMikeS is so incredibly stupid that he forgot swap16 doesn't swap the value in place :D
01:04:42excitatorymidkay: is there nothing i can do.. or am i stuck with 1.1?
01:05:07midkayexcitatory: boot back to the original firmware..
01:05:20midkayit'll still work in usb2.
01:05:33Scorchedhas anyone else ever seen my problem with 'unkown driver' before?
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01:06:05midkaynot i, maybe you can check and/or post at the forums.
01:06:07excitatorymidkay: well.. i deleted my original firmware
01:06:15excitatoryeven removed the partition
01:06:16midkayexcitatory: deleted? why?
01:06:20midkayyou're stuck then..
01:06:27*Scorched stares at his new ipod brand paperweight.
01:06:50midkayScorched: if you want it to be.. rather expensive one, though.
01:07:09excitatorymidkay: um.. well it gave me a *significantly* quicker boot time, and an extra 64mb, which was huge on a 2gb device.
01:07:13Scorched*shrug* I've tried everything I can think of to try, and I can't get it to connect.
01:07:46midkayScorched: if you're gonna give up, why'd you even ask?
01:07:51excitatorymidkay: well, would the ipod updater fix it?
01:07:54midkayi'm pretty sure the forum will have the answers.
01:08:04midkayif not now, then soon after you ask.
01:08:18Scorchedwell, because I don't have anything left to try unless someone here has a suggestion.
01:08:40midkayexcitatory: it'd let you, through a long process, restore the apple firmware.. but you can't be both rid of the apple OS and have USB2 speeds.
01:08:54midkayScorched: and i gave it to you. check the forums.
01:09:37excitatorymidkay: argh.. that's so stupid.. even the 2g minis transfer in usb2 in EDM
01:09:42Scorchedmidkay, thanks. I'll keep looking they hadn't turned up anything when I looked yesterday.
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01:10:01excitatorywill the ipod updater work via wine, or am i going to have to hunt down a windows box?
01:10:13midkayexcitatory: i didn't know that, but whatever, the nanos don't.
01:10:32excitatoryyea, i was told this was nano specific
01:10:37excitatorywhich is lame
01:10:39midkayexcitatory: i don't know about the WINE thing... i haven't heard of it. can't you write your old bootpartition back?
01:10:41linuxstb__jhMikeS: Both amiconn and I mentioned that a couple of hours ago...
01:11:01midkayexcitatory: it's also the same with 5Gs, and i'm pretty sure the new nanos and 5.5gs as well.
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01:31:49KalthareInteresting. I thought someone said the patched ipod_fw doesn't load the Apple firmware properly, but it works fine.
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01:33:42bluewormIt was me and it does'nt
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01:34:33bluewormsneakums can you confirm this
01:35:10KalthareOh. Hm.. This might be another symptom of the general 80GB problems. I wish I knew what was going on there. :(
01:36:02bluewormBasically the 30GB is good to go then... :)
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01:39:32KalthareOkay, I'll put my patch on the tracker...
01:40:37bluewormKalthare: nice job btw
01:40:41KalthareOkay, um.. here are my guesses. Category: OS/Drivers. OS: iPod 5G. Severity: ?
01:41:07Kalthareblueworm: Thanks, but I'd feel better about it if it were more helpful to you..
01:42:42bluewormI'm patient... still waiting for duke nukem forever ;)
01:44:24weazlehmm I followed the instruction for ipod nano as described in the manual
01:45:03weazlebut i get the Use itunes to restore screen
01:45:16weazleit's a 2nd gen ipod nano
01:45:30weazleat reboot
01:45:38KalthareI don't think Rockbox is working on the 2nd gen nano, is it?
01:45:43bluewormIIRC its not supported yet
01:45:46linuxstb__Rockbox doesn't work on the 2nd gen Nano (it's stated on the front page).
01:45:54weazleahh that explains ;p
01:46:08godzirrausing ipod_fw it gave me the standard "restore your ipod" error.
01:46:22weazleyap, i have that one right here
01:47:13jhMikeSdoes anyone else with an x5 remote notice the lcd is a bit off relative to the frame or is mine defective (too late to return :)
01:49:16bluewormgodzirra: how did you install the bootloader?
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01:50:09godzirradd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1
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01:51:06bluewormseems ok, you did remember to re-compile ipod_fw.c ?
01:51:27godzirraI think so.
01:51:29godzirrathats what I'm checking now.
01:52:03Kalthareremember, you need to extract the Apple firmware files using the patched ipod_fw as well
01:53:28godzirramy ipod patch always fails
01:53:30godzirrajust to make sure
01:53:34godzirrathe line that said 0x4400
01:53:37godzirraneeds to be changed to 0x4800
01:53:48godzirraipod_fw patch rather
01:53:52godzirraok, just making sure
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01:55:31godzirrahuh it worked that time.
01:55:37godzirraMaybe I forgot to recompile ipod_fw after all :)
01:59:37Kalthareglad ya got it working. :)
02:00:08godzirraMe too. Thanks for all the help :)
02:00:28blueworm30Gb ?
02:00:52godzirraI tried to talk my wife into letting me get an 80, but it was a no go :)
02:00:59bluewormcongratulations :D
02:01:01godzirrasince I have no reason to get one other than it has more ram.
02:01:05godzirrathanks blueworm
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02:01:44bluewormI begged the wife for 2 days...
02:01:46godzirraSo out of curiousity, why isn't cover art supported yet in the normal rockbox builds?
02:02:06godzirrablueworm: Well, my wife really puts up with a lot of my crap when it comes to geek toys, so when she actually says no, I tend to listen. :)
02:02:17godzirraShe did switch to rockbox last night on her nano though =)
02:02:31bluewormI just beg some more! ;)
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02:03:59bluewormI begged my wife 4 years for her to switch to linux exclusively. But I finally got my way...
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02:04:40godzirraNah, I dont want my wife to switch to linux.
02:04:43godzirraI hate user support. :)
02:05:07webguest39hey everybody, just a quick question. I'm trying to get rockbox on my 5.5g 30gig, i have the ipod_fw.patch, how do i apply it
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02:05:09bluewormI hate win user support more ;)
02:05:17webguest39ipod_fw.exe opens and then closes real quick
02:05:26godzirrablueworm: my wife's dad does support for vdot. She calls him :)
02:05:38godzirrawebguest39: you need the c code
02:05:41godzirranot the exe
02:05:44TheMcPoonQuick question : Are they, is anyone working on the button configuration of rockboy (I believe that's the GBC emulator)
02:05:51bluewormpatch ipod_fw.c < ipod_fw.patch
02:06:00webguest39where do i get that file?
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02:07:36godzirraDid someone answer my question and I just missed it?
02:07:39webguest39ahh thanks a million
02:07:40bluewormpaste the text into a editor and name it ipod_fw.patch
02:07:49godzirraie... Out of curiousity, why isn't cover art supported yet in the normal rockbox builds?
02:07:51webguest39yea i have that
02:08:03godzirrawebguest39: if you don't know how to compile c programs, thats not going to help you much y et though.
02:08:30webguest39wait im lost.... where's the ipod_fw.c file
02:08:35webguest39i see the patch on the page
02:09:08godzirraIts a piece of code written in the c programming language.
02:09:14godzirrayou have to compile it before you can run it.
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02:09:33bluewormgcc -o ipod_fw.c ipodfw
02:09:36webguest39lol i know nothing about programming... but would i compile it in "cygwin"
02:09:54*blueworm blueworm screws up
02:10:01godzirrawell, if you know how to compile the program, thats about all the programming knowledge you nmeed.
02:10:11godzirrabut I dont know whether it works in cygwin or not, so I'll let someone else answer that one :)
02:10:12bluewormgcc -o ipod_fw.c ipod_fw
02:10:27godzirrayou typed the same thing :)
02:10:27sneakumson my 80G, the patched ipod_fw gives me a .bin that loads the bootloader
02:10:28godzirrayou mean
02:10:32godzirragcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
02:10:35sneakumsbut the bootloader itself doesn't work
02:10:48godzirrasneakums: what does it do?
02:10:52bluewormslap me
02:11:09webguest39wait but i have a 30g so its all good right?
02:11:12sneakumsgodzirra: see the rockdox-dev message i linked from page 6 of the forum
02:12:17godzirrasneakums: Ahh, I have read it. I'm out of my league man :/
02:12:22godzirrawebguest39: I have it running on my 30gb now.
02:12:27bluewormI need to go to bed
02:12:29sneakumswell, so am i
02:12:33godzirraI set mine up in linux though.
02:12:44godzirrasneakums: Yeah, but I know about enough C to think I know what I'm doing and break everything ;)
02:13:11sneakumswhatever acts cannot be destroyed
02:13:35webguest39is slax linuxy enough to install?
02:13:35godzirraMy old hard drive acted as a target for a 9mm. It definitely could be destroyed.
02:13:41webguest39what difference does it make?
02:13:47godzirrawebguest39: if you know linux, pick one. Doesnt matter really.
02:14:01*blueworm scratches head
02:14:27godzirrai love being able to copy normally to my ipod :)
02:14:37webguest39im following kalthera on the forum
02:14:43webguest39on page 4 of the thread
02:14:57godzirradont do that.
02:15:06webguest39why not?
02:15:11bluewormgtkpod is not so bad, I just want to use flac
02:15:21godzirrawebguest39: because you dont need to anymore.
02:15:23godzirrathats the hard old way.
02:15:27sneakumsi want to use my 16,000 vorbis files
02:15:32godzirra-after- you patch ipod_fw.c
02:15:33godzirraand compile it
02:15:37godzirrafollow this:
02:15:45godzirra(assuming you're doing it from linux)
02:15:54webguest39wait thats it?
02:15:59godzirrathats it.
02:16:00webguest39that doesn't seem as hard
02:16:04godzirraMuch easier.
02:16:05godzirraoh shit
02:16:11godzirradont listen to me.
02:16:15godzirrablueworm: you're turn to slap me.
02:16:30godzirrawebguest39: you have to patch and compile rockbox for a 5.5g 30gb.
02:16:43*blueworm slaps godzirra
02:16:57KalthareThe patch is up at
02:17:07godzirraIs there a build howto?
02:17:33bluewormright here ;)
02:17:38godzirraKalthare: So maybe you can answer where no one else did. How come there's not album art in the rockbox cvs yet?
02:17:44godzirraI don't care one way or another really... was mostly just curious.
02:17:59Kaltharegodzirra: I wish I knew. I've been wondering that myself. I'm not an actual dev.
02:18:08godzirrawebguest39: you have to compile rockbox from t he source to get it working on a 5.5g currently.
02:18:15webguest39let me just get this straight: i patch the ipod_fw.c, what do I do with the 5.5-1.patch file?
02:18:15godzirraKalthare: Bummer. I just assumed you were ;)
02:18:31webguest39the 5.5-1 patch is for the rockbox source?
02:18:38SoapWhich album art patch? Are there not more that one? Are they coded to standard? Is this going to be addressed by viewports also?
02:18:39godzirrawebguest39: you have to get the rockbox code from cvs, setup the cross compiler, patch the rockbox source, and compile it.
02:18:42Kaltharewebguest39: Yes
02:18:55godzirraSoap: I have no idea.
02:19:10godzirraSoap: Why not pick one the devs like most and put it in the rockbox code?
02:19:45webguest39ah i appreciate all the help, so what exactly is the ipod_fw? is that the loader?
02:19:53Kaltharegodzirra: I'm just a user who knows almost enough C to fake it, got a 30G iPod for my birthday, and spent a whole day learning the structure of FAT32 and how Rockbox accesses it..
02:19:53sneakumsbecause the one they like the most, or dislike the least, may still need work
02:20:20sneakumswebguest39: ipod_fw is used to combine the rockbox bootloader and the original apple firmware
02:20:26godzirrawebguest39: the ipod_fw is how you get the bootloader built
02:20:33godzirrathen you can use dd to put it back onto your ipod.
02:20:45webguest39dd stands for?
02:20:51sneakumsnothing useful
02:20:58sneakumsit's just the name of the command you use
02:21:04godzirradisk donkey.
02:21:10godzirraBack in the day, a donkey was used to build disks from scratch.
02:21:14godzirraThey named it dd as a reference.
02:21:22*godzirra shuts up now.
02:21:25webguest39sorry I used to really know stuff like this like 6 months ago when i was working on ipodlinux on my old 5g but i've forgotten all of the info
02:21:27bluewormdonkey disc
02:21:42webguest39i really appreiciate all the help
02:22:03godzirraIts all good. I've bugged so many people on this channel I figure I have to help out when I actually know some of the answers. :)
02:22:47webguest39but do i need to reformat my ipod like said in kalthares post?
02:23:07godzirraThat was before Kalthare came up with the 5.5-1 patch
02:23:16KalthareI'm working on a new post right now.
02:23:18godzirrapretty much ignore almost all of that thread.
02:23:19sneakumsnow if we can just work out what's different on the 80G ipods
02:23:49godzirraI keep trying to get people to send me an 80G so I could help out...
02:23:51godzirraI'm so selfless...
02:24:03webguest39thanks Kalthare, i might just wait to do anything to read your post
02:24:28webguest39for the general users however, wouldn't it just be easier to upload pre-patched files?
02:24:54godzirraI dunno. I had fun hex editing my bootloader.
02:24:58sneakumsgeneral users should probably wait until the FAT code can detect the sector size at runtime and use a regular 5G build
02:25:01godzirraBut I'm that kind of geek ;)
02:25:54godzirraBut I'm off for a bit.
02:25:56*godzirra waves.
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02:25:59webguest39how hard would that be?
02:26:05godzirrawebguest39: good luck. Remember you can always restore if you break everything.
02:26:06webguest39c ya thanks
02:26:07Kaltharesneakums: Is that still the goal?
02:26:48webguest39i mean is it a very possible goal or is it something that will require a lot of work and not be available at the earliest until months in the future?
02:26:55sneakumsKalthare: well, i think i saw a couple of developers say they don't want a separate port for the late 2006 ipods
02:27:17sneakumsso that seems to be what would need to be done
02:27:45sneakumswebguest39: it just depends on whether someone decides to do it, and when
02:28:12Kaltharesneakums: Right, but it'd take a lot of work, and introduce a lot of potential instability −− by which I mean FS corruption −− for everybody, not just the late-2006 users.
02:28:38webguest39so since i really want rockbox my best bet would be to install it manually as i am doing now rather than wait
02:28:53sneakumswell, it should be just a straight conversion of your patch form compile-time decisions to run-time decisions
02:29:04sneakumsmaking sector_size a variable, and adding code to detect the sector size
02:29:22Kaltharesector_size is used to define a lot of buffers.
02:30:01JdGordonthat shouldnt reallt be a problem...
02:30:39bluewormwebguest39: All you need is a working bootloader.bin,, ipod_fw
02:30:43JdGordonfor the buffers, use the largest sector size, and then at runtime, just change the "size" of the buffer once the actual sector size is knownm
02:30:57webguest39lol if you guys already have some could u just e-mail it to me?
02:31:01sneakumsJdGordon: that's eat a lot of memory where it's not needed though
02:31:04webguest39haha i know im lazy :-D
02:31:25sneakumswell, if we ever get it working on 80G ipods, i'll take a look at making the patch runtime
02:31:29JdGordonsneakums: it will onl affect 1 build, and it has plenty of ram anyway
02:31:40sneakumsJdGordon: waste not, want not
02:32:37webguest39lol someone please email me the patched ipod_fw.exe, or even better could someone help me compile
02:32:42sneakumsprobably we'd need to see which SECTOR_SIZE usages are just "i want 512 bytes" and which are "i want a FAT sector"
02:32:43webguest39i have cygwin open right now
02:32:44JdGordonor allocate the buffers at run time..
02:32:57sneakumswell, rockbox doesn't have dynamic meory allocation
02:33:00sneakumsso that's tricky
02:33:15JdGordonno, but we can allocate ram before the audio is init
02:33:44sneakumsah, ok
02:33:48*sneakums makes more notes
02:34:22JdGordonit will need its own bootloader of course tho, but the rockbox.ipod shuold be able to work dynamically...
02:34:30sneakumsand of course it's only static buffers that need to be checked
02:34:50JdGordonis SECTOR_SIZE the #define in the code?
02:35:28webguest39do i need to do anything to the bootloader.bin?
02:36:27*JdGordon doesnt know this part of the code at all... but...
02:36:47sneakumsJdGordon: in three places
02:37:02JdGordona very quick search suggests it might be very possible with some #ifdef buggery to be able use SECTOR_SIZE dynamically...
02:37:14JdGordoncan the sector size actually be read at runtime tho?
02:37:27KalthareJdGordon: Yeah, it's in the FAT header
02:37:27sneakumsJdGordon: i think it's in the fsinfo struct somewhere
02:37:42JdGordonok, then it looks very doable
02:37:59webguest39i'm typing "patch ipod_fw.c -i ipod_fw.patch" into cygwin but its not working
02:38:05webguest39what am I doing wrong?
02:38:13JdGordonbut, i doubt the bootloader can do anything dynamically, so definatly a new bootloader will be needed
02:38:24sneakumswebguest39: patch -p1 -i ipod_fw.patch
02:38:41sneakumswebguest39: it'll find the files to patch itself
02:39:01webguest39i should have all these files on the root of my computer?
02:39:07linuxstb__JdGordon: The bootloader is just a cut-down version of Rockbox, so it can share the runtime detection.
02:39:40webguest39i still get bash: patch: command not foud
02:39:48sneakumswebguest39: then you need to install patch
02:39:54JdGordonlinuxstb__: i was thinking more for the buffer allocation, if it ends up being alloc'ed dynamically for the 5.xg
02:40:08webguest39sneakums can i PM you?
02:40:16sneakumswebguest39: no
02:40:19scorchewebguest39: not possible
02:40:21linuxstb__We're not short on RAM in the bootloader, so we can just allocate the worst-case statically.
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02:40:49webguest39<sneakums> webguest39: then you need to install patch
02:41:01webguest39isn't that what i'm trying to do right now?
02:41:02linuxstb__We're only talking a few KB anyway.
02:41:11*JdGordon wishes he didnt have 2 assignments to do today, this sounds like much more fun than bloody work :'(
02:41:33Kaltharewebguest39: patch is a program. You have to install it.
02:41:41sneakumswebguest39: you need to install the program called patch, which you need in otder to be able to use the .patch file
02:43:16webguest39i downloaded something but its just a bunch of .c files
02:43:30sneakumswebguest39: use the cygwin installer to install the patch program
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02:43:51sneakumsand most source code is "a bunch of .c files", so please try to be more specific
02:43:58webguest39lol this is more complicated than i ever imagined and this is pretty basic stuff to you guys too lol
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02:44:09webguest39here hold on just one sec
02:45:08webguest39ok its files ike acconfig.h argmatch.c argmatch.h ipod_fw even useful in Windows?
02:46:50webguest39im so confused, but its an .exe
02:46:54sneakumsit should work under cygwin
02:47:16KalthareBut how do you write the image to the iPod in Windows?
02:47:21sneakumsyou could probably built it with mingw too, i don't recall it looking like mucyh more than ansi C
02:47:41sneakumswhich is does the 'dd' part of the install
02:47:57KalthareOh, okay. Sorry −− I'm just making sure.
02:48:02Joelyhas anyone got around to hooking up JTAG on the Sansa e200s? i still need to find the 7pin to 20 pin schematics to use with my arm wiggler...
02:48:03webguest39is there a site that has a tutorial to set up cygwin properly with 'patch'
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02:48:10linuxstbYes, ipod_fw.c is compiled with mingw for win32.
02:48:47Kaltharewebguest39: Did you try using cygwin's setup.exe and installing it from there?
02:50:09webguest39would i chose "install from locally"?
02:50:23sneakumsno, you want to install from HTTP or FTP
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02:50:40webguest39yes, i installed from the internet already
02:50:43sneakumsthe installer should be able to download the package for you and install it
02:50:46webguest39but you guys say i need "patch"
02:50:49sneakumsbut you didn't install patch
02:51:00sneakumsso you need to install that, with setup.exe, from the internet
02:51:19linuxstbThe Cygwin setup.exe gives you a long list of applications (packages) you can choose to install. patch should be one of them.
02:51:47webguest39ok im at the part where it says "install packages:"
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02:51:59jhMikeSbuild systems hung again...this happens a lot to me :'(
02:52:05webguest39what category would it be under?
02:52:56Joelyor if you wanted a more native patch.....
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02:54:11webguest39haha everytime i click a link since im in firefox it exits irc
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02:54:46Kaltharewebguest39: Does your mouse have a wheel?
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02:54:59webguest39nope its a laser
02:55:10KalthareI mean a scrollwheel.
02:55:17jhMikeSA "la-ser"
02:55:44KalthareTry clicking on links with that instead of the left button. It should open the link in a new tab.
02:55:55webguest39ok thanks
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02:57:15webguest39is there another compiling program you would suggest other than cygwin, i do not see "patch" as a package to install
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02:58:36Joelywell...i suggested using a native binary for patch instead of the cygwin layer...haha
02:59:50webguest39when im typing the command how does it know where the patch is located, wouldn't i need to give a location?
02:59:56jhMikeSwebguest39: forget cygwin. use vmware
03:00:07webguest39and run linux?
03:00:24scorcheuse the rockbox vmware image
03:00:31jhMikeSwaaaaayy faster
03:00:36webguest39where can i obtain this? lol
03:00:49scorchewebguest39: search the wiki for VMware
03:01:03jhMikeSjust gotta watch the memory config before you start it. it wants too much
03:01:08scorchethere should be a paget hat is building a vmware development environment or something like that
03:01:25jhMikeSyes in the wiki under "for developers"
03:01:25JdGordondo SECTOR_SIZE in ata.flash.c and ata.c have to be kept in sync?
03:01:32JdGordonand ata_mmc.c
03:01:43scorchejhMikeS: searching works too =P
03:02:02KalthareJdGordon: We don't have a need to touch SECTOR_SIZE in ata*.c, I'm pretty sure.
03:02:19jhMikeSdoes /me spout on and on about debian or what?
03:02:20JdGordonthats where its defined as 512
03:02:49KalthareJdGordon: That's for the actual hard drive, and it _is_ 512. The one you want is in fat.h
03:03:08jhMikeSyeah...get fat! :)
03:03:36webguest39ok so install vmplayer and rockbox image or w.e (the 184 megabyte file)
03:03:48webguest39it'll take about 10 min to download i'll brb
03:04:01jhMikeSwebguest: yup...needs about 2gb! worth it though
03:04:32jhMikeSI might suggest changing the memory setting in rockbox.vmx to 32MB. It's more than enough
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03:04:59jhMikeSYou can change it from the UI but if it doesn't start due to memory problems that's how to fix it.
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03:08:55JdGordonok, well if someone gives me the functon to get the fat sector size its possible its all ready to go
03:09:23JdGordonwith a fair bit of wasted RAM is the size is 512, but that can be fixed later
03:10:05webguest39how do adjust the memory in vmplayer?
03:11:48KalthareJdGordon: it's stored in fat_bpb->bpb_bytspersec
03:11:52jhMikeSin the UI under player->preferences
03:12:14jhMikeSwait no
03:13:09webguest39it says i have to open the vmx file first but i don't wanna open it knowing it will crash my system
03:13:12jhMikeSplayer->troubleshoot->change memory allocation...
03:13:27webguest39do i open the vmx file first?
03:13:32jhMikeSopen the vmx file in a text editor
03:13:34JdGordonis there anything else which would need to be done apart from this change for the .5g to work?
03:13:59webguest39why open it in a text editor?
03:14:19jhMikeSif you want the memory smaller set memsize = "32"
03:14:35KalthareJdGordon: The 80GB model seems to need more work, but the 2K sectors are the only problem for the 30GB model.
03:14:45jhMikeSit's enough. it doesn't need 128MB. After that double click it to start
03:14:49webguest39what size would u suggest
03:14:55webguest39i have 1 gig of ram on this computer
03:14:58jhMikeSsee above :)
03:15:19jhMikeSoh...then you're probably safe but it's still excessive...yes 32
03:15:47jhMikeSI haven't tried to see what the absolute min should be though
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03:18:22JdGordonKalthare: ok, well it now compiles... no idea if it works or not
03:18:27*JdGordon doesnt have a 5.5g
03:19:41bluewormI'll try it
03:20:23webguest39alright i have the rockbox in vmplayer, now lets start again
03:20:54JdGordonKalthare: ^
03:21:58webguest39how do i compile in rockbox.vmx?
03:22:24jhMikeSwebguest39: you have the CVS
03:22:36*JdGordon is heading of to uni, back in 2 hours or so, plz lemme know if that patch works
03:22:54webguest39nope lol sorry, yet another stupid question, what's the CVS?
03:23:05jhMikeSheh...the source code
03:23:11webguest39oh ok
03:23:25webguest39well actually first i need to patch the ipod_fw.exe
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03:25:06jhMikeSyou need the source code to apply a patch
03:25:18KalthareI'm restoring my iPod right now −− I won't be able to check it until that's done.
03:25:45webguest39i have that its located at C:/
03:26:12jhMikeStheres no c:\ in should be in /home/user
03:26:42webguest39how do i transfer files from windows to vmplayer (/home/user)
03:27:18jhMikeS //debian/user to get at it through explorer
03:27:25KalthareActually.. I'm looking at this patch, and I don't think it's going to work.
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03:27:34jhMikeS \\debian\user rather
03:28:16webguest39where do i type this in, i right click and get a list of program
03:28:19jhMikeSyou can map a network drive to that for the future
03:28:23jhMikeSrun dialog
03:28:46***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:29:22webguest39can't find it....
03:29:45webguest39in windows?
03:29:52webguest39ooo haha
03:30:15webguest39ok what should i run?
03:30:27jhMikeStype: \\debian\user
03:30:55webguest39drag and drop the files into the folder?
03:31:29jhMikeSlike I said you might want to map a network drive so it will always be in explorer
03:32:22webguest39ok i did
03:32:42jhMikeSstill gotta get the source :)
03:32:55webguest39these are the files i copied
03:33:30webguest39ipod_fx.exe, ipod_fw.c ipod_fw.patch ipodpatcher.exe 5.5-1.patch
03:34:38webguest39do i need the actual rockbox source, and also should i get the album art patch while we're at it
03:34:56jhMikeSyou need the source, yes
03:35:29jhMikeS explains
03:37:48godzirraOk, I just copied all my music over and then foudn out that my rockbox won't boot.
03:38:04godzirrathe bootloader says that it can't find the rockbox installation and tries to boot the original firmware
03:38:07webguest39so i just copy the code thats listed uner "compiling"
03:38:08godzirrait then immediately reboots.
03:38:28jhMikeSnot literally
03:38:51jhMikeScvs -z3 co rockbox-devel
03:39:18godzirraanyone have any ideas?
03:39:27webguest39i type that in?
03:39:35jhMikeSmake sure you're in /home/user
03:39:51Kaltharegodzirra: Did you have it working before?
03:39:57jhMikeSyour in the eterm window right?
03:40:09godzirraKalthare: with the old hexedit + mtools method, yes.
03:40:28bluewormmake sure you have not deleted .rockbox/ or rockbox.ipod
03:40:41godzirraIts still there.
03:40:51godzirraAnd even if I had, it should boot the original ipod firmware, shouldnt it?
03:42:22Kaltharegodzirra: You've got a proper MBR and filesystem now, right?
03:42:32sneakumsgodzirra: if you've switched to the 2K sectors patch you'll need to reformat with 2K/sec FAT
03:42:38godzirraKalthare: The filesystem shows up if I mount it normally in linux.
03:42:58godzirrasneakums: I did a sytem restore. in itunes before I intsalled rockbox. Is that not enough?
03:43:16godzirragod, sorry for the bad typing. Getting bad lag between here and my linux box.
03:43:28sneakumsno, that should have done it, and it sounds like it did since you're mounting it
03:43:57godzirraI guess I could have screwed up the ipod build...
03:44:00godzirrabut I'm not sure how
03:44:15godzirrathe patches all worked fine, after rnning configure I added the line Kalthare told me to add to autoconf.h
03:44:27Kaltharegodzirra: Can you verify with a hex editor that the bootloader was installed at 0x5000 in the partition?
03:44:31godzirraand after that, I just did "make" then "make zip"
03:44:39godzirraKalthare: how?
03:44:49godzirraI can if you explain how to do that :)
03:44:54Kaltharegodzirra: You recompiled the bootloader too, right?
03:45:13webguest39ok i have the source copied into a folder
03:45:16webguest39should i rename it?
03:45:17godzirraKalthare: I patched ipod_fw.c an compiled it.
03:45:26godzirrathen followed the install as per the ipod installation on linux doc.
03:45:39webguest39right now it says rockbox-dailybuild-bunch of numbers
03:45:52Kaltharegodzirra: You need a recompiled bootloader.bin, too.
03:45:59godzirraAhhh crud.
03:46:02jhMikeSgoto linux and right click
03:46:17godzirrawhere can I find one of those?
03:46:27godzirraOr instructions on how to compile bootloader-video.bin?
03:46:37jhMikeSin the menu under xshells click eterm
03:46:39Kaltharegodzirra: Make another build directory, and at the second prompt in the configure script, pick the 'b' option for a bootloader build.
03:46:59pagefaultI wish rockbox could play .aa
03:47:02pagefaultstupid patents
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03:47:42jhMikeSwebguest39: then type that line I have you at the "/home/user" prompt
03:47:48Kaltharegodzirra: Add the line to autoconf.h again, too. You should see "#warning PATCHED" when it compiles fat.c if you did it right.
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03:48:22Kaltharegodzirra: Once it's done compiling, bootloader/bootloader.bin is the file you want.
03:48:25webguest39cvs -z3 co rockbox-devel
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03:48:42jhMikeSyes're in the eterm window now right?
03:49:11webguest39yea im typing it in
03:49:35godzirraKalthare: got it. And rerun the line that generates rockbox.bin?
03:49:47godzirracrap. I dont think I checked out the bootloader.
03:49:48jhMikeSwhen it asks for a password just hit enter
03:50:39webguest39ok a bunch of files are scrolling down
03:50:52jhMikeSshould be getting the source now
03:51:00Kaltharegodzirra: Er, I guess in that case you need to checkout rockbox-devel instead of just rockbox
03:51:12*godzirra nods
03:51:16godzirralooking up teh syntax again
03:51:20godzirraI'm not a cvs fan.
03:51:23*godzirra loves svn :)
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03:52:20KalthareAnyway, I'm gonna have to idle for a little while. I'll be back soon.
03:52:28*godzirra waves
03:52:29godzirrathanks again
03:52:52webguest39alright its done with all the files now
03:53:08webguest39lol is this the part where i apply the patches?
03:53:10jhMikeStype cd rockbox-devel
03:53:39jhMikeSalmost there...
03:54:00webguest39ok it says ~/rockbox-devels$
03:54:16jhMikeSwhat player you got?
03:55:26fivegipodrockboxis there anyway to shuffle by directory?
03:55:36webguest39what do you mean?
03:55:46webguest39(to jhMikeS)
03:55:48jhMikeSyou have to make a directory under /rockbox-devel anything you like but usually the player name or something
03:56:03jhMikeSmkdir <player>
03:56:19jhMikeS<player> being anything directory name
03:56:38jhMikeSthen cd <player>
03:57:09webguest39i just named it player, it doesn't seem like anything happened
03:57:09jhMikeSthen ../tools/configure
03:57:22jhMikeStype ls to see if it's there
03:57:37jhMikeSare you in "player" ?
03:57:47webguest39it says tools/configure doesn't exist
03:57:53webguest39am I in windows or in linux?
03:58:03jhMikeSall this is in linux
03:58:33webguest39it says
03:59:14webguest39user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/player$ /tools/configure
03:59:22webguest39bash: no such file or directory
03:59:35jhMikeS../tools/configure <== !!
03:59:53jhMikeSdont forget the ".."
04:00:21webguest39ahh alright
04:00:37jhMikeSpick your player number, then pick N for the build
04:00:37webguest39now i get a list of mp3 players
04:00:58KaltharejhMikeS: What about the patch?
04:01:12webguest39yeah, do i apply the 5.5 patch later?
04:01:15jhMikeSyou have to configure it to even build the patched version
04:01:37jhMikeSyes but get it configured
04:01:46webguest39alright it says created Makefile
04:01:57jhMikeSdo you want to test build now or patch now?
04:02:15webguest39patch i guess
04:02:30webguest39i'd also like to add the album art patches
04:02:54jhMikeSI think the two patches require a different strategy
04:03:22webguest39well the 5.5g patch is obviously more important
04:03:24jhMikeSipod_fw.c is under rockbox-devel/tools
04:03:56webguest39yup i see it in windows explorer
04:03:56jhMikeScopy the patch there to make it easy...can do that from explorer
04:04:19webguest39this is the 5.5-1.patch file, correct?
04:04:29webguest39or is it ipod_fw.patch?
04:04:50jhMikeSthe .patch is the patch which will be added to ipod_fw.c
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04:05:21webguest39so the ipod_fw.patch
04:05:27webguest39the one i got off like page 5 in the forums
04:05:39jhMikeSI guess :)
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04:05:56KalthareYou need 5.5-1.patch to get Rockbox to actually run.
04:06:02webguest39alright i copied ipod_fw.patch
04:06:14webguest39when do i apply the 5.5-1 patch?
04:06:43jhMikeSif you've got the two files together, now
04:06:53webguest39i have them both
04:06:56webguest39i'll copy the other one
04:07:10jhMikeSdon't overwrite the ipod_fw.c
04:07:22webguest39no there both .patch files
04:07:30jhMikeSYou can copy the album art to rockbox-devel
04:07:30webguest39ok there under the tools folder now
04:07:36godzirraKalthare: same error :/
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04:08:07jhMikeSit's two different patchings
04:08:15godzirraKalthare: after erbuilding the bootloader.bin file, I just have to rerun the command where I build the rockboot.bin, right?
04:08:49Kaltharegodzirra: Yeah. Make sure you're using the patched ipod_fw.
04:08:56godzirraI am :/
04:09:00hcswill floating point work on coldfire targets?
04:09:16Kaltharegodzirra: Make sure you were using the patched ipod_fw when you extracted the Apple firmware, too.
04:09:38godzirrai thought I was...
04:09:49jhMikeSwebguest39: actually copy them both to rockbox-devel
04:10:03godzirrawell, the bootpartition.bin will be right, regardless of if I used the ipod_w that was pached, right?
04:10:11jhMikeSwebguest39: and go into rockbox-devel
04:10:12webguest39under tools or just to devel?
04:10:34Kaltharegodzirra: Yeah.
04:10:36jhMikeSnot under tools... now know what the intent is
04:10:40godzirraKalthare: or do I need to do a restore and just start from scratch?
04:10:50jhMikeSinto the directory "rockbox-devel"
04:10:55godzirraoh, thats right... you use dd for bootpartition.bin. duh.
04:11:12Kaltharegodzirra: Do you still have the scrollback from when you built it?
04:11:24godzirralet me check
04:11:43godzirraFrom when I built which part?
04:12:02Kaltharegodzirra: The bootloader.
04:12:04jhMikeSfrom rockbox-devel type : patch -p1 -i ipod_fw.patch
04:12:09webguest39is the bmp resize artwork patch enough?
04:12:25godzirrano, I odont think so.
04:12:28godzirraI can rebuild it though.
04:13:03webguest39rightnow im in player$
04:13:07webguest39how do i go up a level?
04:13:09jhMikeStype cd ..
04:13:42Kaltharegodzirra: Make sure you see "#warning PATCHED" in the output.
04:14:29jhMikeSwebguest39: ".." means "up one level" btw
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04:15:20webguest39it gave me a lot of errors
04:15:23webguest39i think im in the wrong level
04:15:30webguest39but wait
04:15:31sneakumshcs: afaik coldfire has no fpu
04:15:34webguest39it says file to patch:
04:15:44jhMikeShmmmm hit "ctrl-c"
04:16:00sneakumshcs: oh, i'm wrong
04:16:06jhMikeStry: patch -p0 -i ipod_fw.patch
04:16:43jhMikeSwebguest39: where's that patch located? I wanna have a look at it.
04:16:43hcssneakums: even if it didn't, I take it the build wouldn't succeed if there wasn't software level FP support
04:16:58webguest39under rockbox-devel
04:17:12jhMikeSI mean on the site
04:17:15Kalthareipod_fw.patch is an individual file diff
04:17:39webguest39reply 63 i think
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04:19:09jhMikeSok you still have a copy in tools?
04:19:25webguest39i can add one tho
04:19:53jhMikeSgo back to tools and type: patch ipod_fw.c -i ipod_fw.patch
04:21:13webguest39how do i go back to tools
04:21:19webguest39by typing it in it says it doesn't exist
04:21:25jhMikeScd tools
04:21:41webguest39no file or directory
04:21:44godzirraKalthare: I shuld see the warning on a compilation of rockbox as well as on a compilation of the bootloader, right?
04:21:59webguest39it says user@debian:~$
04:22:17jhMikeScd /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools
04:22:30Kaltharegodzirra: Yeah, both. When compiling fat.c. Try that file I just put up −− it has both the bootloader and the, both verified just now to work.
04:23:11godzirrathe bootloader.bin I need to still combine with teh apple_os right?
04:23:16bluewormI've done a patch wich includes ipod_fw.c.patch + 5.5-1.patch + configure(#define FAT_2K_SECTORS) that fixes the annoying autoconf.h
04:23:35webguest39it says 1 out of 2 hunks failed
04:23:59godzirraEdit ipod_fw.c and change 0x4400 to 0x4800
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04:24:19Kalthareblueworm: Can you post it as a response on ?
04:24:30webguest39godzirra is that to me?
04:24:54Kaltharegodzirra: Yeah, using the patched ipod_fw of course.
04:24:55jhMikeSdon't use notepad for that or you'll get windows linefeeds in it
04:24:56godzirraKalthare: I have to still make rockboot.bin with that bootloader.bin right?
04:25:08godzirrabootloader.bin just takes the place of bootloader-video.bin
04:25:20Kalthareyes, exactly.
04:26:08webguest39ok i edited in wordpad
04:26:32jhMikeSuh oh
04:26:59Davide-NYCNero encoded AAC playback! w00t! \o/
04:27:12KalthareIt probably doesn't matter if ipod_fw.c has CRs in it anyway...
04:27:43webguest39alright now what?
04:27:51jhMikeStry the patch thing again
04:28:07jhMikeSpatch ipod_fw.c -i ipod_fw.patch
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04:28:26webguest39now it says 2 out of 2 hunks failed
04:28:29KalthareUmn, isn't it already patched now?
04:28:33webguest39ended unexpectedly in the middle
04:28:38webguest39of a line
04:28:50jhMikeSDoes changing the 0x4400 to 0x4800 complete the patching?
04:29:01jhMikeSthen he's done
04:29:02KalthareIt's the hunk that fails.
04:29:18webguest39now to apply the other patches
04:29:31jhMikeSI guess what you have to gcc it
04:30:21jhMikeSgcc -o ipod_fw.c (from the tools directory)
04:30:52jhMikeSgcc ipod_fw.c -o ipod_fw
04:30:59webguest39im in the tools
04:31:07webguest39it says no input files
04:31:07jhMikeSI know use the second one
04:31:21webguest39sorry my irc lagged :)
04:31:28godzirraKalthare: awesome. that worked :)
04:31:42Kaltharegodzirra: Cool. :)
04:31:45webguest39ok did that
04:31:56jhMikeSno errors? cool
04:32:00KalthareOkay, gotta idle again.
04:32:11webguest39it didn't say anything
04:32:40webguest39just went to the next line (~rockbox-devel/tools$)
04:32:40godzirraKalthare: dont suppose you have a build that supports album art? *grin*
04:33:10Kaltharegodzirra: Not yet. I intend to make one −− if and when I do, I'll post it for you.
04:33:12jhMikeSnow cd ../tools/rockbox-devel
04:33:19KalthareIdling for real now.
04:33:23jhMikeSI mean ../rockbox-devel
04:33:40godzirraKalthare: I appreciate it :)
04:33:44jhMikeSfget it just ".." :) (tired)
04:33:50godzirrai'm going to go play some ps2 noww. THanks again for all your help :)
04:34:01jhMikeSyou want to go back to rockbox-devel that's all
04:34:33webguest39its not working lol
04:34:45jhMikeSwhat's the prompt say?
04:35:02webguest39no such directory
04:35:14jhMikeStype cd /home/user/rockbox-devel to get back
04:35:48webguest39ok worked this time
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04:36:01bluewormKalthare: that should make it a little less painfull
04:36:17jhMikeSnow patch -p0 < <patchfile>
04:36:37jhMikeS<patchfile> being the patch to apply
04:38:07webguest39something went wrong and now im getting blank lines
04:38:22jhMikeShit ctrl-c
04:38:24webguest39im not getting the "user@debian"
04:38:47jhMikeSyou need to include the "<"
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04:39:10jhMikeSor just patch -p0 -i <patchfile>
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04:39:18jhMikeSthere's two ways to do it
04:39:56webguest39it asks for the file to patch
04:40:05jhMikeSctrl-c again
04:40:21webguest39should i move the patch to a different directory?
04:40:23jhMikeSit shouldn't ask for that
04:40:32jhMikeSyou're in rockbox-devel and so is the patch?
04:41:03jhMikeSyou can try -p1 instead of -p0 and see if that works
04:41:34jhMikeSpatch -p1 -i patchfile.patch
04:41:43webguest39looks like it worked, a few lines failed
04:41:55webguest39how important is the -i
04:42:00webguest39lol i forgot it
04:42:15jhMikeSyou can use the "<" or the "-i"
04:42:27webguest39o ok
04:42:37webguest39well the album art isn't as important right now
04:42:57webguest39the patch i still need to apply is th 5.5-1.patch
04:42:59jhMikeSyoud better do patch -p1 -R -i patchfile.patch first
04:43:20jhMikeSor type: cvs up -dPC
04:43:28jhMikeSdo the second one
04:43:49webguest39ok its "updating
04:44:11jhMikeSthat'll get rid of the partially failed one
04:44:38webguest39alright its doen
04:45:00jhMikeSKalthare: is the 5.5-1.patch a normal cvs type patch?
04:45:37webguest39kalthare: are you eventually going to post your builds? :-D
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04:45:58KalthareIt's a -p1 patch, if that's what you're asking...
04:46:13jhMikeSdo: patch -p1 -i 5.5-1.patch
04:46:36jhMikeSwebguest39: same way as the album art one
04:47:41Davide-NYCWhat does "I40:PDIR1FULL at 00000000" mean?
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04:48:17jhMikeSDavide-NYC: is mean your going to have to scrap your player :)
04:48:27Davide-NYCI do not believe you
04:48:51jhMikeSNoone's sure what those mean. What were you doing?
04:49:49Davide-NYCwoah! reproducible
04:50:03Davide-NYCit must be from the new AAC code
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04:50:07jhMikeSdoing what with what?
04:50:16jhMikeSahh ... yes could be
04:50:21webguest39sorry my irc just froze
04:50:25webguest39it patched
04:50:31Davide-NYCplaying back a nero_400.m4a
04:50:40Davide-NYCgoing into view audio thread
04:50:52jhMikeSwebguest39: go into player directory
04:51:06jhMikeSwebguest39: type: make
04:51:20webguest39im still having trouble navigating
04:51:21Davide-NYCgross! OF :-(
04:51:22webguest39what do i type
04:51:27KalthareDon't type make yet
04:52:17jhMikeSDavide-NYC: hmmm...could be dividing by zero...but on x5 I get PDIR2FULL when I do that!?!
04:52:20KalthareAnd actually, I put up prebuilt binaries of Rockbox and the bootloader for the 5.5. Want to use those?
04:52:43webguest39how do i install it on my ipod
04:52:51jhMikeSThird time those links have been posted!
04:53:04jhMikeSBut it's good to learn how to do things anyway
04:53:06webguest39yea i already downloaded it but im not sure what to do with them
04:53:16webguest39yea jhMikeS u are like a godsend
04:53:46jhMikeSwebguest39: I get a lot of help so I figure why not give some back :)
04:53:55KalthareWell, the bootloader.bin is the file you use instead of bootloader-video.bin in the instructions.. and the is what you unpack onto your iPod
04:54:56*jhMikeS has to step out for about back in a bit
04:56:42webguest39but do i need a patched ipow_fw.exe?
04:57:01Kalthareyes. Do you have the patched ipod_fw.c file?
04:57:18webguest39not sure if it really turned out that great
04:57:25webguest39do you have yours uploaded?
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04:57:54KalthareEr.. I can. Gimme a sec.
04:58:02webguest39ahh thank you
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05:01:31webguest39shooot i just clicked on the link
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05:01:35webguest39sorry could u post it again?
05:02:13webguest39but also i still need to compile it if its a .c right?
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05:05:47webguest39Kalthare could u help me, i was at the part where i had to type make
05:05:51webguest39under tools i think?
05:06:52Kaltharefor ipod_fw.c, just type: gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
05:07:36webguest39wait first how do i get to the tools directory (embarrased face)
05:08:18Kaltharewhere are you now?
05:08:28webguest39under rockbox-devel
05:08:38Kaltharecd tools
05:09:19webguest39alright i typed the command u gave me, does that give me an exe now?
05:10:00KalthareEr, are you in Linux or Cygwin?
05:10:59KalthareI don't think you actually need to use vmware anymore, since you have the prebuilt rockbox binaries.
05:12:03webguest39but what do i use as the ipod_fw.exe
05:14:23KalthareGo where the patched .c file is in cygwin, and type gcc -o ipod_fw.exe ipod_fw.c
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05:15:10webguest39can i just copy the patched .c file to the root of my harddrive?
05:16:29webguest39can i do this in linux, my cygwin was not properly installed
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05:17:06KalthareLinux won't give you a Windows program
05:17:09webguest39i got a file, its 22 kb
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05:17:40webguest39i hate to be a pain but can i have your exe file :-D
05:17:51KalthareI don't have one. I use Linux.
05:18:00webguest39earlier people decided that i didn't have 'patch in cygwin' installed and so it wouldn't work
05:18:10webguest39but if its already patched
05:18:21webguest39do i just type the directory?
05:18:32KalthareUmn.. where are you, in what?
05:18:39webguest39alright let me try again
05:18:45webguest39i opened up cygwin in windows
05:18:57webguest39now what do i do?
05:19:05webguest39ipod_fw.c is located at c:/
05:19:41KalthareUm, I can't remember how cygwin handles drive letters. Try typing "cd c:/" and see what happens.
05:20:02webguest39says cygdrive/c
05:20:27KalthareOkay, now try gcc -o ipod_fw.exe ipod_fw.c
05:20:55webguest39bash: gcc: command not found
05:21:35Joelywebguest39...that means you need to install gcc now
05:21:48webguest39this is the part where i get stuck
05:22:01webguest39how do i install gcc and stuff like that for cygwin
05:23:20KalthareThey ought to be options in cygwin's setup.exe...
05:25:01webguest39i get options but i don't see gcc is taking up a lot of developer's time for something kinda trivial, no offense or anything. i'm not a rockbox developer, only a groupie! so tell me what you need and i'll make you an executable...
05:26:00webguest39i need the patched ipod_fw.exe to use for my 5.5g 30 gig
05:26:27KalthareThe source is up at
05:27:04Joelyok, i'll make it
05:27:14webguest39thank you so much
05:28:50***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:30:39JoelyKalthare, you know the recommended gcc version for building?
05:31:17Joelyi only have gcc 3.4.2 right now for mingw
05:32:42KalthareUm, I think ipod_fw.c is too simple to care.
05:34:58Joelyoh and btw....while i'm compiling this can someone please tell me when it's normal time in sweden!?!?!?
05:35:06Joelyi _need_ to talk to Bagder!
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05:39:32JdGordonKalthare: did u try he patch?
05:41:14webguest39hey joely
05:41:21webguest39do u need my email address?
05:41:22KalthareJdGordon: Actually, I think I failed to communicate to you what the implications are of the 2K-sector problem..
05:41:34JdGordonpossibly :D
05:41:48Joelysure, you can pm me if you want....i think i can do transfer over irc..
05:42:15KalthareJdGordon: Did you look at my patch?
05:42:26JdGordonno, just got back
05:42:45KalthareNo, the one I'd already made..
05:44:19webguest39alright i gtg, i'd like to thank everybody here who helped me
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05:44:56KalthareWell, there are two or three problems. One is that the partition table on this model is also based on 2K sectors, and the BPB isn't available when that's read.
05:45:50KalthareSecond, the calls to the ATA functions need to have virtual sectors translated to physical sectors.
05:46:09KaltharePossible third, are you sure SECTOR_SIZE only gets used after the BPB is initialized?
05:46:19Joelysorry to interrupt...but are you two talking about the patch for the ipod_fw.c that i'm compiling for webguest39...?
05:46:32KalthareJoely: No
05:46:35Joelyok cool
05:46:37JdGordoni have no idea... the patch i did was solely based on the discussions from 2 hours ago (or whenever it was)..
05:49:30KalthareWell, anyhow, it's a decent approach, but it's not enough.
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06:15:37Davide-NYCIs it possible that I get slightly different cpu boost ratios on different (same model) units?
06:16:20Davide-NYCwait! does having the remote plugged in cause boosting? (H1x0)
06:17:24hcsquick, what define can I use to detect endianness?
06:19:51myzari can't figure out
06:19:57myzarthe differences between 80 and 30 5.5gs
06:20:01myzarwhy won't the 80 work
06:21:51myzarslightly more memory, i take it
06:21:56myzarbut what else can be different?
06:23:52KalthareIt seems to be an issue with the hard drive
06:25:25KalthareLooks like the troubles aren't over on the 30GB one, either. I can't seem to get my tag cache to commit.
06:34:59KalthareI'll be honest: with all the patching and re-re-re-re-building today, I never quite got around to fully testing the build. I booted into a menu, and I moved on. I haven't even tried playing music yet.
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07:24:13hcsyay, successful test of NSF player on big endian hardware
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07:26:22ttyfsckerwhat are the keys you hold down to charge your ipod while you still use it
07:26:31ttyfsckeri forgot i havent used this thing in forever
07:26:42hcshold menu while plugging it in
07:26:58ttyfsckerthanks hcs
07:27:02myzari demand everyone available that knows rockbox
07:27:06myzargoes to work on the 80 gigs
07:28:33Kaltharemyzar: send me one and I'll get to work on it
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07:29:02hcsmyzar: send me two and I'll get it done faster than Kalthare
07:29:20myzaryou two are such kidders.
07:29:22myzari like that :P
07:29:35myzarbut unfortuantely my extensive brainf**k skills will not contribute to anything
07:29:45myzarso i'm going to drown myself in sorrows, emo music, ice cream, and razor blades
07:29:50myzaruntil some new development comes about
07:30:36myzarbut i actually do have one
07:30:41myzaryou can use me as a guinea pig if you'd like
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07:50:53sneakumsgoofy, toshiba site doesn't list the drive in my ipod
07:51:15sneakumsthey have the MK8009GAH, but not the MK8010GAH (mine)
07:51:37JoelyHOORAY!!! guess what everybody! i made the windows executable for the ipod_fw (patched)
07:52:36Joelyanybody else need it?
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07:53:52sneakumsspeaking of, maybe the new ipods could just be called 5g2 in ipod_fw
07:54:32myzarwait until there is one working for 80gigs
07:54:36myzarand you'll be famous
07:54:38myzara celebrity, even
07:54:50myzarand you'll even get some sexual favors from me
07:54:52myzarwink wink :o
07:55:04Joelyohhh i've always wanted a sexual computer friend
07:55:05myzarwhy, of coarse
07:55:10myzarwould i lie to you?
07:55:28Joelywait, so do i upload it to somewhere? it's works!
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08:00:45myzari suppose
08:00:52myzardoes it maybe work for 80gigs?
08:01:15Joelyhehe uhhh
08:01:22Joelyhow expensive are those?
08:01:26Joelyand what proc they use?
08:01:38Joelytell me quickly and i'll reward you with something fun
08:01:44Joelylike....some code
08:03:03myzararound a hundred bucks more
08:03:06myzarand i believe the same one
08:03:22Joelypp5024 by chance?
08:03:44myzarthe same as a 30 gig
08:03:50myzarit hangs on ata_init
08:11:16Joelyhmmm well, i have no clue about anything, this is alllll speculation...but couldn't we use some information from the sansa to help out??
08:11:39Joelyi is just asking to have their stuff reverse engineered
08:11:44Joelythey aren't like apple or anything
08:12:15Joelythey have their jtag ports on the front...the whole thing can be taken apart without the warranty destroyed..
08:12:56Joelyi would say use some in-circuit emulation with the pp5024 and see if it can kinda match the pp5020
08:13:05Joelyhaha or of those ><
08:15:42Joely*poke myzar*
08:16:14myzarwell, uhh...
08:16:20myzari only have to say...
08:16:32*myzar throws a smoke grenade and disappears, expecting sneakums to say something
08:16:45Joelyhaha ok
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08:19:40Joelyso there any place i can upload this windows build of the ipod_fw?
08:21:12Joelysorry, i just felt really happy that i did something productive today
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08:21:38JdGordonJoely: the wiki page probably...
08:21:44JdGordonstart a new page fr the 5.5g effort
08:21:58Joelyahhh but i don't have a 5.5g!
08:22:12Joelycan i upload an exe file?
08:22:19JdGordonim pretty sure u can
08:22:33BHSPitLappyis there an active effort on the 5.5g?
08:22:50nick89hey all
08:22:59nick89just installed rockbox on my Ipod Video
08:23:07nick89and am having some problems
08:23:16nick89followed the install guide to the word
08:23:32nick89but when i start my ipod it just has a screen with the ipod support url
08:23:53nick89can anyone help me out?
08:24:01KalthareBHSPitLappy: Yeah, but it's extremely unstable on the 30GB and doesn't boot at all on the 80GB
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08:24:39Kaltharenick89: How old is your iPod?
08:24:53BHSPitLappyyou mean it's actually been made to boot on the 5.5G's at all?
08:25:07KalthareBHSPitLappy: There's a patch, yeah.
08:25:08nick89About 9 months..?
08:25:24myzarcan you force disk mode?
08:25:29Kaltharenick89: Okay, it's not the new model, then. It ought to work.
08:25:30myzaryou can restore your mistakes there
08:25:38myzarand attempt again to mod it if you'd like
08:25:53BHSPitLappyKalthare, so the encryption wasn't a problem, or what
08:25:53nick89I can connect it to my computer and read it via my usb connection
08:26:06nick89but I don't know what im supposed to have done wrong
08:26:15myzardid you follow it step by step?
08:26:19myzardoing everything word by word?
08:26:24myzarand you used the proper files?
08:26:27KalthareBHSPitLappy: No, it's mainly that the new model emulates 2048-byte sectors.
08:26:29myzarthe ones for your proper ipod
08:26:33frtdxon a ipod mini ... does the buffer time setting affect battery life.. if so .. 10 sec would be better than say 1 sec buffer .. for increasing battery life?
08:26:42myzarof coarse frtdx
08:26:48myzarif it takes mroe effort to cache part of a song
08:26:49nick89almost posotive
08:26:53myzarand the drive works more effort
08:27:09myzarthen it will drain more battery life
08:27:13BHSPitLappyand what's the obstacle for 80gb?
08:27:14myzarram size also helps
08:27:21myzarnot much
08:27:24myzarbattery life is about 24 hours
08:27:29myzarsame as 30 gig almost
08:27:29frtdxthe ipod mini has 32 mb ram right?
08:27:33myzar30 gig has been cracked
08:27:42myzarit has 64 mb ram
08:27:49myzarbut it wont read the drive the same way as the 30
08:27:54KalthareBHSPitLappy: It hangs when it tries to read from the hard drive. We don't know why.
08:28:12frtdxso whts the best setting for max battery life?
08:28:16Joelyummm stupid question...but is this the wiki? :
08:28:22myzarsetting, frtdx?
08:28:25frtdxon ipod mini 2g
08:28:29myzari don't know of any
08:28:35myzarexcept to avoid playing lossless files
08:28:49nick89i found the problem i think..
08:28:53frtdxthe smallest buffer = better battery life
08:29:08frtdxjust playing plain ol mp3
08:29:14myzarif it can buffer more of a song and get it back to the memory
08:29:19myzarthe drive works less
08:29:23myzarwhich in turn makes it drain less power
08:29:29frtdxok so .. 10 sec best bet?
08:29:30Kaltharenick89: what's up?
08:29:36myzari'm not quite sure, frtdx
08:29:38myzari would experiment
08:29:47myzari would invest in some type of car charging device
08:29:50myzarif you drive somewhere
08:29:58myzarif you do not, or take a bus or metro
08:30:01sneakumsi don't think it could be a PP5024, because that's a flash device
08:30:02myzarthen you're out of luck
08:30:06sneakumsit doesn't even have an EIDE interface
08:30:07frtdxthe ipod software .. i heard buffers upto 5 songs!
08:30:20myzarthe memory on a 30 is 32 megabytes
08:30:25myzaron an 80, it's 64 megabytes
08:30:28frtdxi mean apple firmware
08:30:30myzaryou can do the math on how much it can buffer
08:30:38myzari doubt it buffers 100%, but it's still pretty good
08:31:16myzarand this is good for battery life, no matter what it uses
08:32:11nick89i didn't do the firmware quite right
08:32:20nick89i made rockboot.bin again
08:32:31nick89so should i just be able to do the last firmware step and be right?
08:32:45myzartry it out and see nick89 :P
08:34:05nick89same problem
08:34:08JoelyJdGordon, just found the wiki! w00t! i registered and everything...but i guess i need write access?
08:34:26Joelydo i have to know like a wiki language to contribute?
08:34:29JdGordonwhat nick did u register with?
08:35:02frtdxdoes the itrip work with the ipod running rockbox
08:36:01JdGordonyou can know edit
08:36:38Joelyok, thanks :)
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08:38:28nick89still having problems
08:40:35nick89when i out the old firmware back on
08:40:36nick89it works
08:40:50nick89but i can't get it to work with the rockbox firmware
08:41:27Joelynick89, what os do you have?
08:41:54Joelyohhh did you use the ipod_fw.c?
08:42:28nick89it's a compiled exectuable
08:42:36nick89namely ipod_fw.exe
08:42:51Joelyright...but did you get the new patch?
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08:42:57Joelyor is that totally unrelated?
08:42:58nick89new patch?
08:43:12*Joely walks away whistling....
08:43:15nick89well my rockboot.bin don't work
08:43:18nick89so it's possible
08:43:42Joelyuhhh i dunno...want to try out the `new' exe!?
08:44:18myzarthe new exe is only for 30 gig 5.5g ipods
08:44:20myzarits not for older ones
08:44:35Joelyohhh he doesn't have the new one?
08:44:49nick89mine is old
08:45:08nick89how do I know if I'm using old or new?
08:45:24Joelyno, don't listen to anything i say
08:46:12nick89still not working
08:46:34nick89what happens with the Broadcom firmware?
08:46:42nick89you extract it but don't use it..
08:47:42nick89should i have the latest apple firmware?
08:47:50nick89i don't think i've upgrade my ipod from 1.0
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08:54:21Joelyomg it's uploading!
08:54:23nick89do I need to update my ipod from apple firmware 1.0?
08:54:32Joelyuhh i would try it....
08:54:47Joelydid you install ipodlinux before this?
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08:56:08JoelyOH NO
08:56:12Joelyi screwed up
08:56:20bluebrothersomeone in who is familiar with tuner_philips.c?
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08:56:43Joelylook at the attached files
08:56:54Joelyummm it kinda replaced the first one...
08:57:02Joelyoh crap i'm a dumbass
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08:58:10Joelyquick quick! how do i fix it before everyone is messed up!?
08:58:18nick89what do you mean?
08:58:33nick89you screwed the wiki?
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09:00:26LinusNJoely: what did you do?
09:00:36BagderJoely: rename the 5.5 one and re-upload the previous one with the "right" name
09:00:51Joelyi'm really sorry
09:01:15LinusNdon't worry
09:01:29*myzar licks Bagder
09:01:48*Bagder moves away from myzar
09:02:22*scorche has heard a LOT of swedish and german today...
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09:03:18Bagderscorche: me too, at least swedish ;-)
09:03:33scorcheknow the band covenant?
09:03:58scorchehave spent the day with them
09:04:01scorchecool people
09:04:09scorcheand fellow swedes for you =)
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09:04:32Bagderone day I'll be cool too
09:04:55scorchei had a fun day though...
09:05:51myzarnoooooooooooo Bagder
09:05:55myzarlet me appreciate you!
09:06:00Joelymr LinusN or says i can't rename it
09:06:14Joelyi think something is angry at me
09:06:25LinusNwhat says? your computer?
09:06:55Joelyno, the wiki! it says access denied
09:07:10LinusNi suggest you upload the 5.5 version with a different name
09:07:48Joelycan you fix the old one...and i'll upload the 5.5 version with a unique name?
09:08:36scorcheLinusN: isnt there a way to just revert the wiki pages, or does the addition of files throw a wrench into the mix?
09:08:59LinusNJoely: sure
09:10:19Joelyok i changed mine
09:11:04LinusNscorche: you revert by creating a new version of the page/attachment with old content
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09:15:28nick89fixed my problem
09:15:34nick89by updating my ipod firmware
09:15:44nick89perhaps thats something that should be on the wiki
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09:16:57Joelyohhh Bagder! i wanted to ask you...but you're a swedish time dimension!! do you have the pinout of the 7 pin jtag to the 20 pin connector? i tried looking at the pictures, and there were a few pins i couldn't see
09:17:13Joelyon the sansa
09:18:01Ribsscorche: Hej! Hur mår du?
09:18:51scorchei dont know much...i should learn some more
09:18:58RibsI don't know sod all
09:19:07Ribsbut what I do know is the good stuff
09:19:12Ribs(chat up lines!!!)
09:19:20scorcheof course!
09:19:58Ribsdin eller min lägenhet? = your place or mine?
09:20:05Ribswell, technically your 'apartment' or mine
09:20:09*Ribs doesn't know 'place'
09:20:38scorcheapparently, i have to come to sweden sometime and see them again...heh
09:20:46Ribsoh yeah, I did that
09:20:52Ribswent to Sweden to see some online friends
09:21:01Ribsuber cool country dude, go for it
09:21:14scorcheif i ever do, i guess i have to see Rex too ;0
09:22:04nick89hey can i just delete ipod_control?
09:22:04RibsIn Sweden, pretty much everyone speaks good English
09:22:04Ribsbut they do appreciate it if you try and speak some Swedish
09:22:04Ribseven if you do totally screw it up and they laugh at you :)
09:22:07Ribsnick89, if you want, yes
09:22:22Ribsnick89, you'll obviously loose all your offical firmware music tho
09:22:42nick89i only want to use official firmware for video
09:22:54nick89until video is better supported by rockbox
09:24:05Ribsgood plan
09:24:05Ribswell, video is stored in there as well
09:24:06Ribsso you could delete that, then upload what you want with iTunes or whatever
09:24:07myzari KNOW you are working on an 80 gig right?
09:24:18nick89yeah, i'll put it back on at my convenience
09:24:24Bagdermyzar: nopes
09:25:02scorcheoh...and covenant/rotersand all use ipod nanos and should be trying rockbox soon
09:25:17Bagderthat's the spirit
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09:27:27myzarthanks for dropping team morale by 95% Bagder
09:27:47BagderI'm fighting with the remaining 5
09:27:52Bagderdarn it, go go go
09:27:55myzarwhoops, dropping rapidly, it's barely hanging on with .5%
09:28:11scorcheyes...because if Bagder doesnt work on a port, it will never succeed...
09:28:25myzarmorale is at an all time low at zero
09:28:37myzarback to depression
09:28:43Bagderyeah, just see my successful sansa work as a perfect example of my haxxor skillz ;-)
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09:29:24myzarBagder, everyone knows the best way to hack is to make things work
09:29:39myzarand i KNOW you want to show off your haxxor skillz by making the 80gig 5.5gs work :P
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09:32:27Bagdera hanging build
09:32:38myzarYES, BAGDER!
09:32:43pondlifeI thought that had been fixed...
09:32:45myzarrun those debuggers!
09:32:53Bagderpondlife: yeah, we thought so
09:33:20pondlifeRussian Bugs... Every time you fix a bug, it reveals a smaller one within.
09:33:53myzarat what point will the bugs be so small, nobody cares?
09:34:05pondlifeWhen playback is working properly
09:34:05myzarit's like arguing that if you cut something in half, over and over again
09:34:13myzarwill there ever be a point where it can't be cut anymore
09:34:14Bagderwhen they are less than one byte each
09:34:15pondlifeHmm, quantum bugs?
09:34:25myzarbytes, Bagder!?
09:34:28myzarwe're talking machine code!
09:34:41pondlifeYou can have one wrong bit and it'll make a bug
09:34:50myzarelectrical impulses so small, they accumulate and eventually wreck havoc!
09:35:12myzarscary, isn't it?
09:35:16Bagder 52 builds in 6704 seconds (111mins 44secs) makes 128.9 seconds/build
09:35:18myzarif you had to debug electircal impulses
09:35:20myzari'd be afraid.
09:35:42pondlifeThat's why we have the sim
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09:36:16nick89i've downloaded the green 5g theme
09:36:34nick89and it also contains a prebuild binary
09:36:37nick89do i need to use it
09:36:46nick89or can i use my exisiting copy
09:38:36Paul_the_NerdIt depends on whether your existing copy has the same patches
09:40:18nick89it's the latest version
09:40:22nick89is it likely to?
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09:43:38markunnick89: you need the prebuild binary then
09:45:51nick89yeah i've got it working
09:45:55nick89thanks for all yer help
09:46:01nick89i'm really happy with the result
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09:53:37BHSPitMonkeygood to hear
09:54:50nick89only 1 thing
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09:55:37nick89can you set up the bootloader to give me achoive between rockbox and apple os?
09:56:53aliaskAs in a menu?
09:57:37scorchenick89: if you want a menu, you can use Loader2 from ipl
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10:01:08JdGordonwhat the heck happened to the cvs builds?
10:01:14JdGordonBuild expected to complete around 09:32:05 (in 111mins 44secs)
10:01:31pondlifeA hung build earlier upset the stats
10:01:41JdGordonhaha ok
10:01:52JdGordonthe latest build has hung aswell then
10:02:17Bagderyour server
10:02:31Bagderthis time and last too
10:02:31pondlifeBackatcha! ;)
10:03:51JdGordontop shows about 5 proccess from rbclient runnning
10:04:03JdGordoncpu is at 70% for some reason... nothing else is using it
10:04:12Bagderyeah, but I've killed the connections so they're left dying on your server
10:04:50JdGordonunless the cpu isnt happy running @ 40C ?
10:06:27pondlife40C isn't hot
10:06:47JdGordoni know....
10:08:33nick89for Loader2, I still have to generate the apple_os iplloader combined firmware, right?
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10:11:25aliaskpondlife: 40C is the approx ambient temperature... the cpu is probably running at like 60...
10:11:58aliaskIt got hot here faaast this year.
10:12:07JdGordonaliask: nope, ive got a temp probe on the cpu heatsink... amb is 35 (fark its hot early this year), cpu is about 40
10:12:21aliaskWow do you have watercooling or something?
10:12:23pondlifeThat sounds a bit unlikely
10:12:42JdGordonaliask: nope, and the fan is at like 30% or something
10:12:43pondlifeI normally get at least 20C delta, with air cooling
10:13:00pondlifeI suspect your CPU temp is higher than the heatsink temp
10:13:05aliaskMy fan is going apeshit... upstairs room.
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10:13:08scorchealiask: my cpu runs at about 32-34 without full load
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10:13:11*JdGordon should reboot so i can c the bios temp reading
10:13:38pondlifeNo equivalent?
10:13:41JdGordongpu is @ 44C, cpu is 40C
10:13:45JdGordonprobably is..
10:14:13pondlifeFrom BIOS?
10:14:21JdGordonno, temp probes
10:14:29pondlifeOK, now check the BIOS...
10:14:45JdGordononly coz im curious...
10:14:46JdGordonback in 3
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10:14:56aliaskMy iPod was too hot to use today.
10:15:11aliaskI hope the CPU scaling gets fixed soon
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10:18:31JdGordonbios said 36, so 4C diff...
10:18:44JdGordon... which is good enough for me :p
10:18:48aliaskDamn, nice... What CPU?
10:18:57JdGordonceleron 2.4
10:19:26JdGordonits not like its doing anything cpu intensive tho :p
10:20:03aliaskWell neither is my computer, but I'd bet money on it being more that 36.
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10:22:17pondlife36C CPU, with what ambient?
10:22:31aliaskProbably down to about 30 now.
10:22:39pondlifeThat's not bad!
10:22:53JdGordoncase is open with A/C on :)
10:23:03pondlifeAh, that can help!
10:23:06JdGordonbut still.. why the hell is it so hot this early in the year?
10:23:23pondlifeAll those CPUs running CVS builds... ;)
10:23:46pondlifeWe need a wind farm for the build farm
10:24:11aliaskOr a hundred mice on treadmills.
10:24:26pondlifeNo! Mice produce greenhouse gases.
10:24:27JdGordonprobably need more than a few hundred micee
10:24:47aliaskOkok, mice were a bad idea.
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10:25:05aliaskI was thinking of genetically enhanced guinea pigs.
10:25:30aliaskQuickly copyright it and we'll go into business.
10:25:52pondlifeToo late -
10:26:11aliaskDamn you Milwaukee!
10:26:19pondlifeAh, greyhounds maybe..
10:26:35scorchewhat is wrong with genetically enhanced shrimp?
10:26:43pondlifeMmm.. tasty
10:26:48JdGordonthe problem is you would still need to feed them the equivilant of more energy than they could produce...
10:27:16aliaskJdGordon, always bringing us down... you're no fun!
10:27:21scorchebetter than burning oil/gas/coal
10:27:23JdGordonim sorry
10:27:25*pondlife wonders what the most efficient living organism is
10:27:31JdGordonburn the guinea pigs :D
10:27:38aliaskSingle cell organism i'd say.
10:27:39JdGordonprobably a virus
10:27:49scorchedecomposers arent bad as well
10:27:49JdGordonparasite i mean
10:27:51aliaskVirii don't count as living things.
10:28:21pondlifeHmm, is this #rockbox or what. Do we have a CVS build yet...
10:28:24aliaskWow this is very OT...
10:28:42pondlifeAha, we do!
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10:33:57darklessHans Reiser has been arrested on suspicion of murder on his wife:
10:34:16aliaskOf ReiserFS fame?
10:34:38Bagdera killer filesystem as they say
10:34:47peturold news too
10:34:50JdGordonhaw haw haw
10:35:01darklesspetur: yeah, a bit
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10:37:15linuxstbCould someone with more wiki rights than me delete the files at the bottom of IpodInstallation which are now hosted at ? I get an "access denied" if I try to do it.
10:37:40Joelywhy do you want to delete them?
10:37:56linuxstbJoely: Because they are now hosted elsewhere...
10:38:19peturhosting those files in the wiki is a security risk
10:38:36Bagder... as Joely himself just proved ;-)
10:38:42*linuxstb noticed :)
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10:39:41Joelyso after all that compiling i didn't help at all!?
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10:41:04Joelyi mean...where are people going to turn now for their 5.5g ipod_fw.exe!?
10:41:27linuxstbJoely: I only asked for the files hosted elsewhere to be deleted.
10:41:46Joelyyou're a sly guy
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10:42:07peturJoely: exe files in the wiki would mean somebody could upload a virus-infected one
10:42:43linuxstbIdeally we need someone to patch ipod_fw so that it autodetects the partition size being used and acts accordingly...
10:42:45amiconnpetur: That 'somebody' would at least need wiki write access
10:43:15Davide-NYCpetur: were you recording to wavpack for this bug?
10:43:20peturamiconn: lots of people we don't know have
10:43:42peturDavide-NYC: just WAV
10:43:53amiconnEverybody should use virus protection when using windows anyway...
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10:44:48peturamiconn: sure, but that won't protect you from everything
10:46:00peturDavide-NYC: I have also had music skip yesterday - maybe I should defrag my h340
10:47:21Davide-NYCI made some recording today. I have to listen back still. It's totally obvious when it happens, correct?
10:47:41peturI couldn't miss it...
10:48:04Davide-NYCI'll report my findings to flyspray. You should report the target (H300) in case it has anything to do with that.
10:48:34peturI don't think it's target related
10:48:35Davide-NYCMy tests are H120
10:48:53Davide-NYCI don;t think so either, but why not include it in case.
10:50:27Davide-NYCgeneral question: has there been any change to the WMA decoder lately?
10:51:24peturI just wished jhMikeS wouldn't rewrite so much stuff in one go. He probably fixed this already (some watermark and priority tweaking), but then he also started changing the samplerate issue and added multiple samplerates. So one big patch that's not working for irivers :(
10:51:50Davide-NYCI hear ya
10:52:07Davide-NYCwhat do you think of wavpack encoding on-the-fly?
10:52:16Davide-NYCI think it's unnecessary
10:52:31peturI'll stick with wav while I have the diskspace...
10:52:33linuxstbDavide-NYC: It's unnecessary to save disk space?
10:52:50linuxstbAssuming of course it's reliable.
10:52:53Davide-NYCI just think it will go unused as a feature
10:53:17Davide-NYCthat's a serious assumption which most folks recording will not want to make
10:53:45aliaskWhat's to suggest that it's less reliable than say WAV?
10:53:52linuxstbI would hope that it is reliable by the time Rockbox gets an official release including it.
10:54:20Davide-NYCencoding in real-time scares me. give the CPU as little as possible to do when recording
10:55:00Davide-NYCplayback vs recording have difference reliability standards AFAIK
10:55:33*Davide-NYC why can't I sleep? It's 5am!!
10:55:34petursome people fail to understand the importance of stability when recording concerts
10:55:51Davide-NYCyou're not talking about drunk either!
10:56:24Davide-NYCI screwed up a stupid joke.
10:56:26linuxstbdrunk == unstable ?
10:56:45*petur throws some empty beer bottles around
10:57:18Davide-NYCwavpack encoding adds extra complexity to something that should adhere to the KISS concept stirctly
10:57:30Davide-NYCKeep It Simple Stupid
10:58:05BagderI disagree
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10:58:17Davide-NYCPetur: Do you think jhMikeS's level of granular options are necessary or even wanted in terms of biterate and samplerate?
10:58:18Bagderwe have an encoding framework and we should
10:59:11Bagderpeople want to record to compressed formats
10:59:34peturthese changes needed more testing....
11:00:16safetydanIs there any better way to do this in
11:00:17safetydan `cp $ROOT/apps/eqs/*.cfg .rockbox/eqs`; # equalizer presets
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11:00:26Davide-NYCBadger: true and not true (IMO). Ppl want to record to lossy for space and WAV for fidelity
11:00:50Bagderyeah, but then having a wavpack option doesn't add any complexity
11:00:56petura change screwing up playback stability - ah well, just hit play again.... but a change screwing up a recording: you can't ask the band to do the concert again, can you?
11:01:14Davide-NYCI see
11:01:17Bagdersafetydan: seems fine enough to me
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11:01:43Davide-NYCso is the encoding framework still only 44100Hz?
11:02:06linuxstbsafetydan: Out of habit I would add the trailing slash to .rockbox/eqs/
11:02:46safetydanlinuxstb, it would also be consistent with the other code in there
11:02:48linuxstbI would also use the "-p" option to cp to preserve timestamps...
11:02:59peturDavide-NYC: jhMikeS has a patch up but as you know it's not working for irivers
11:04:11Davide-NYChe said it would allow for 88.2k
11:04:29Davide-NYCI'm trying to get him an iRiver H1x0 to tst on
11:05:02LinusNi was about to fix the iriver issues, but real life intervened as usual
11:05:26peturI know the feeling LinusN
11:05:45Bagderwe need to teach our kids to do the bugfixes
11:05:58peturnot the wife?
11:06:30Bagdernah, get them while they're young and haven't been trained to reject such things ;-)
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11:06:45Bagderas the wives have
11:06:57peturok, so I should start making some :D
11:06:58Davide-NYCdo we have a place where volunteers can sign up and tell what target they have and maybe what specific area they care about where the devs can assign tasks like testing etc?
11:07:24Davide-NYCIt's probably futile but one never knows
11:07:39Davide-NYCVolnteerSignUp wiki page?
11:08:12Davide-NYCIs this bug still open?
11:08:26Davide-NYCrecording overwrites iRiver settings?
11:08:52Davide-NYCLinus: do you have an H1x0 or an H3x0?
11:08:55peturI haven't been in of anymore...
11:09:00LinusNDavide-NYC: both
11:09:22Davide-NYCsweet, so do I so if you need something specific tested do not hesitate to ask
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11:09:47Davide-NYCpetur: what?
11:10:04peturOriginal Firmware
11:10:22Davide-NYCright. You think that bug report can be closed?
11:10:27Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: I've found most often "testing" is when one dev writes something that might/will affect targets other than his own.
11:11:33Davide-NYCOn no! That's just sad. I think that page needs to be advertised on the forum (especially in the recording section)
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11:16:59linuxstbZagor: Is it intentional that normal wiki users can't move/delete attachments?
11:17:45ZagorI think so, yes. Deleting is normally not part of the wiki concept, since it's final.
11:18:00oboLinusN: Audioscrobbler patch - should I remove HWCODEC support, or beg someone to test on Archos? I'm just wondering what else I need to do to get it committed :)
11:18:49LinusNobo: i'll see if i can test it tonight
11:18:55Davide-NYCWhat if someone does not have a wiki account but is willing to do volunteer testing? How would a Dev find such folks?
11:19:20Davide-NYCWould a Dev want to find such folks?
11:19:25oboThank you LinusN
11:19:55BagderDavide-NYC: but why would someone willing to contribute _not_ have a wiki account then?
11:20:02Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: Most people who are actually looking to do real testing would, I think, be willing to sign up.
11:20:13linuxstbZagor: OK. It's just that there are some files on the IpodInstallation page that need deleting (they are now hosted on
11:21:24linuxstbZagor: I could do this in the past, but I think my ability was removed when the wiki was hardened.
11:22:06Zagorlinuxstb: ok. linusn, do you remember changing this?
11:22:33LinusNnot really
11:22:46Paul_the_NerdBagder: Did Jeff ever get in contact you? He asked me something about a change in IP regarding his hosting, and I suggested he should get in contact with ou.
11:23:08Bagdernot that I've seen, no
11:23:42Bagderunless his mail got into my spam filter of course
11:24:02Paul_the_NerdIt's possible he hasn't gotten/seen my response yet.
11:24:20LinusNhe's changing ip address *again*?
11:24:26Paul_the_NerdApparently, yes.
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11:26:14penjuinhello all
11:26:31penjuinmy ipod 5g text viewer is having issues
11:26:42penjuinits displaying lines on top of one another
11:26:50penjuindoes anyone have any idea why?
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11:29:05Paul_the_NerdWhat build did this problem start with?
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13:35:44Kitt0sthe rockbox site is dead ?:\
13:35:47pondlifeBagder: What was "veeery interesting"? Of course I can't view the logs... it's like being a goldfish!
13:36:25Bagderpondlife: his announcing to the channel what music he was listening to
13:36:30amiconnThese IP 'locators' are rather imprecise/incorrect
13:36:35pondlifeAh, sarcasm, huh?
13:36:56pondlifeI thought you'd heard news about the server maybe.
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13:37:19Bagdernah, haven't heard anything back from Linus who was gonna call a local admin at the server's location
13:37:27Bagderand there he is
13:37:43pondlifeNot at Contactor itself?
13:38:05Bagderyes there, but we aren't there
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13:38:41pondlifeSo are you homeworkers too? Or is there a Haxx office...?
13:38:43*pondlife pries
13:39:19Bagderwe're usually hired to work for customers in their offices
13:39:30Bagderbut I work from home now
13:39:40pondlifeSame here
13:39:53LinusNthe server is now restarted
13:40:36pondlifeCVS is back!!
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13:41:19aliaskHTTP is back!!
13:41:22pondlifeLinusN: Good work, thanks
13:42:56pondlifeBagder: time for another less depressing channel comment
13:43:11Topic" is ALIVE!" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
13:43:19pondlifeThat's more like it
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13:46:23aliaskMight want to append "...for now" to that, judging by the reliability of late
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13:48:10Bagderwhen was it not available the last time?
13:48:39aliaskCouple of days ago?
13:49:02Bagderah, it was just bogged down under heavy load then
13:49:36aliaskYes, rsync has a habit of choking other processes.
13:50:08Bagderyeah, especially if the remote dude decides to start a new one every minute
13:50:17aliaskThat too...
13:50:25Bagderbut it was out-of-bandwidth, not really out of cpu
13:50:34Kitt0show do i make fonts for rockbox?
13:50:41LinusN1) draw them
13:50:44Bagderits a rather limited 2mbit connection to this server
13:50:46aliaskKitt0s: Fontforge
13:50:49LinusN2) convert to rockbox .fnt format
13:51:06Kitt0sahh can i take an existing font and convert it?
13:51:21LinusNyes, if the font is in the BDF format
13:51:31aliaskFontforge can take a TTF file and render it to BDF, and there's a rockbox script which converts to FNT
13:51:51LinusNand you can convert from TTF to BDF with otf2bdf
13:52:11aliaskOk you win Linus
13:52:22aliaskI didn't know that one :)
13:52:36LinusNbut for good results, you need to compile otf2bdf yourself with freetype2
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13:53:14aliaskKitt0s: What OS are you on?
13:53:32aliaskOk then, disregard everything we just said :)
13:53:56aliaskBut basically, you need to find a way to convert a TTF to BDF
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14:04:34Kitt0sgotta find a font first :D
14:04:53Kitt0scan i combine fonts?
14:05:02Kitt0sif i got like 2 fonts, from 2 diffrent langs
14:06:26linuxstbWhat do people think about how Rockbox should support the 5gs with 2048 byte sectors? A single build with runtime detection, or a new build?
14:07:07JdGordonsingle build....
14:07:19Bagderrun-time would be nifty, but it feels like it could be tricky since it is rather low-level
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14:08:33preglowruntime would definitely be the best
14:08:41peturall depends how well the users can separate the two models
14:08:43preglowbut does of course depend on how tricky that'd be
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14:09:16linuxstbpetur: That's the problem - I'm not sure it's straightforward. Apple seemed to have started using 2048-byte sectors before they announced the new 5gs.
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14:09:31preglowbut how does one go about detecting it?
14:09:35peturthat what I mean
14:10:24Arathisstill having tagcache problems: it just won't create anything. I have tagnavi.config and tagcache_tmp.tcd in /.rockbox, but nothing more
14:10:31linuxstbThe partition table stores the start sectors of the partition in 512 or 2048 byte sectors, so it could be done by seeing which interpretation points to a FAT32 partition.
14:11:09peturso the patching tool could tell the user which build he needs
14:11:54linuxstbYes, that would work as well.
14:12:04PaulJamArathis: have you tried to delete the tagcache_tmp.tcd file and then rebuild the tagcache?
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14:12:59ArathisPaulJam: I just deleted the whole .rockbox dir and rockbox.h10 and put the latest one on
14:13:13JdGordon... patching fat.c to use runtime detection seemed straight forward.. but aparently there is more to it then i hoped
14:13:44linuxstbJdGordon: Also, the original patch by Kalthare appears to be incomplete - he's said Rockbox is unstable.
14:14:21PaulJamArathis: do you have files with enbedded albumart in teir tags? i think i read that tagcache has problems with those.
14:14:27amiconnWell, while Kalthare's patch seems to work, it looks somewhat ugly
14:14:36Arathisbut besides that I still don't get the "Music" folder of my h10 to be shown anywhere else than in "show files: all"
14:14:52*amiconn is interested what Mr. fat.c is thinking about it?
14:15:08ArathisPaulJam: no I don't. And I didn't change anything than rockbox since it worked :(
14:15:34Paul_the_NerdArathis: Is the folder set to be hidden?
14:15:39linuxstbArathis: That's normal - if that directory is marked as hidden, then Rockbox hides it in all views apart from "all".
14:15:46JdGordon <- giong soley on the discussion this morning....
14:16:06Arathisit is, but it was before and i don't use windows, so I didn't change anything to that. it isn't hidden in linux
14:16:18linuxstbLinux ignores the FAT hidden attribute.
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14:17:58Bagderthe h10 Music dir is set as hidden
14:18:00linuxstbYou have to either use mtools, or just create a new directory, move the files from Music into the new directory, delete the old Music and rename your new directory.
14:20:12Arathisthe weird thing is that tagcache initializes the first time (when no tagcache_tmp.tcd is there), but won't do so after that and noe tagcache files are created
14:21:25ArathisBagder: but that the dir is hidden shouldn't affect tag-cache, right?
14:21:59Arathisokay, tag-cache ended right away and no files were written
14:22:08PaulJamArathis: when you initialize tagcache the first time, do you wait until the hd stops spinning?
14:22:34Arathisthat's how I know it ended
14:22:47bluewormjdgordon: I applied your patch last night *, but it did not seem to offer more insight into the problem.
14:22:59JdGordon:) ok
14:23:49bluewormhow can I set any debug flags
14:24:02PaulJamArathis: have you rebooted the device after initializing?
14:24:40Arathislinuxstb: could you give me a short howto use mtools? I tried 'sudo mattrib -sh /media/H10/Music/*' but that gave me an error related to /dev/fd0
14:24:51ArathisPaulJam: yes, I did
14:25:54Arathistag-cache than says "commiting tag-cache... [1/7]" and jumps straight to the menu without doing anything
14:26:04Arathisis there a logfile or something?
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14:26:37linuxstbArathis: I don't use mtools, but I think you need to edit /etc/mtools.conf to assign a drive letter to your H10's disk device (e.g. /dev/sda1).
14:26:39preglowArathis: not by default
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14:27:10linuxstbArathis: You would then do something like mattrib -sh d:music
14:27:11me3619hey people, jsut wondering if anyone was willing to lead some assistance, im trying to get rockbock working on my H340
14:27:21me3619lol. excuse my spelling
14:27:26me3619its late here.....
14:28:15peturme3619: I think it's fairly easy and well-explained in the wiki - what's your problem?
14:28:15linuxstbme3619: What's the problem?
14:28:37preglowwhat state is fwpatcher in these days?
14:29:16LinusNsame lousy state as always :-)
14:29:25preglowdid it ever get proper tabbing support?
14:29:33LinusNin cvs yes
14:29:52preglowdoes that imply it's not in a binary yet? :>
14:29:53Arathislinuxstb: thanks, that worked
14:29:56LinusNmaybe i should make a new release
14:30:04PaulJamArathis: do you use a recend build or an older one?
14:30:14preglowLinusN: definitely, blind people have been asking for that a lot
14:30:58Paul_the_NerdAren't there H300 related updates to the bootloader pending too?
14:31:03Paul_the_NerdSomething relating to USB?
14:31:03preglowi've even got my hands on an old laptop i've stuffed windows on so i can do some win32 work again
14:31:06preglowhooray for me
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14:31:09Arathislatest CVS bleeding edge () and I allways download the .zip and the .mi4 (from
14:31:39*petur thinks me3619 has falles asleep ;)
14:31:47linuxstbpetur: :)
14:31:50peturfallen even
14:32:03Arathisah, the version should have been in the brackets: 061012-0942
14:32:50PaulJamArathis: then i have no more ideas what coud be wrong, sorry.
14:33:45linuxstbArathis: You could try compiling your own "logf" build - that should give you a clue about where tagcache is failing.
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14:33:56me3619Sorry guys AFK for a bit, Ive installed Rockbox and keep gettng the following message "ATA Error: -32, Insert USB Cable and press a button" any ides
14:34:21Arathisin the dev info menu it says: initialized: yes | db ready: no | ram cache: no | ram: 0/0 b | progress: -1% (0 entries) | commit step: 0 | commit delayed: no
14:34:27motshi, i have a problem with doom on kosh's experimental build..
14:34:49linuxstbmots: Then ask kosh....
14:35:09motswell, dunno howto conctact him
14:35:18motsforums take waaay to long
14:35:24me3619isnt it off the misticriver forum?
14:35:26PaulJamthere is a thread on misticriver
14:35:59motswell, maybe its a known prob, so i'll ask first:
14:36:10Paul_the_Nerdmots: Have you tried the CVS build?
14:36:23LinusNme3619: it means that your hard drive or battery may be bad
14:36:40motsseems to work now
14:36:58motsgave me "ict: 100000" or sth like that till one minute ago
14:37:00me3619Hmm i dont see how ti could be, using the offical iRiver firmware the drive works with no issues....
14:37:15me3619or is it a known fact with that error, something is dying?
14:37:50LinusNme3619: what if you hold REC when you turn it on?
14:37:59Arathislinuxstb: I need rockbox-devel for that?
14:40:11me3619it says "Starting teh original firmware" and turns off... but if i plug it in with the USB Cable attached, its boots into the orginal firmware fine.. and if i replace the firmware with the orginal loader.... its has no porblems on its own without rockbox
14:40:59peturme3619: keep holding ON until the iriver firmware boots - you were releasing the ON key too fast
14:41:45peturdid you scandisk it?
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14:42:08me3619lol.. well yeah the orginal firmware boots fine when i do that.... i havent done a scandisk.. i will now
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14:43:54peturjhMikeS: any chance you could already commit the recording fixes that do not include the changes to the UDA interface (encoder priority, spdif samplerate) ? Or make a separate patch?
14:44:54jhMikeSpetur: hmmm...
14:44:55me3619i did a chkdsk in dos... and got "windows has checked the file system and found no problems"
14:45:58motsis there any way to build a tagcache on the computer (linux)?
14:46:24daurnimatorJdGordon: you called?
14:46:26jhMikeSpetur: I could leave out the 11kHz and use the master mode as before for the UDA. I'll leave the x5 alone though.
14:46:28motsif i press "build tagcache" on rockbox, it crashes after about 1 minute
14:46:32JdGordondaurnimator: dw
14:47:23daurnimatori woiln't
14:48:07me3619so any ideas on my orginal error? with there being no sign of any problesm with the hdd?
14:49:07LinusNthen i suspect a bug in the boot loader
14:49:13jhMikeSpetur: you'll check it when it's ready? :)
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14:49:40LinusNjhMikeS: i'll see if i can look at the uda bugs tonight
14:49:46me3619should i be putting on the latest from the daily build page?
14:50:23jhMikeSLinusN: there was some questionable stuff in the driver such the right ADC not being turned off when going back to mic mode from line in
14:50:53*daurnimator goes dancing in the dark
14:50:55LinusNjhMikeS: you have a new patch?
14:51:32sublimallinuxstb: cpufreq3.patch looks to be causing buffering issues after 10-30mins of playback. i can't seem to correct it without a reboot
14:51:43jhMikeSLinusN: not yet...I'm clueless as to why using the WSPLL should affect things the way it does
14:52:28LinusNi doubt that it has anything to do with it
14:52:31jhMikeSIf the data is there then why's source selection busted? :-\
14:52:45jhMikeSLinusN: Me too but I noticed it when looking more closely.
14:55:11Arathislinuxstb: how do I build a "logf" build?
14:55:26LinusNselect (D)eveloper in the config
14:55:37jhMikeSIt's difficult to know if I can't do the check myself and see _exactly_ what does when doing this and that :-)
14:55:37LinusNthen (L)ogf
14:56:00LinusNjhMikeS: i'll try to have a look at this tonight
14:56:23Arathis"WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!" do I need to compile that myself?
14:56:42LinusNjhMikeS: btw, the reply from freescale was:
14:56:44LinusN"The table shown in page 4-3 is the correct one, I suggest you to use the ColdFire init configuration tool for creating the system set-up and initialization. You can download it from
14:56:54jhMikeSnot too many x5 owners seem to be serious tapers...not much word from them
14:57:17LinusNjhMikeS: perhaps they are tapers, and not much into digital recording? :-P
14:57:26jhMikeSLinusN: don't know if you evaluated it on that ...
14:57:33jhMikeSLinusN: analoguers
14:57:49LinusNay, yes i forgot about DAT
14:58:08LinusNi haven't tested on the x5
14:58:09peturjhMikeS: the x5 isn't so nice because you need that extra thingie to get to the line-in. Most use h1x0 or h3x0
14:58:13ArathisLinusN: do Ineed to compile arm-elf-gcc first?
14:58:25LinusNArathis: what system are you on?
14:58:33Arathisubuntu dapper
14:59:16jhMikeSpetur: Yeah...that "thingie"... :)
14:59:38LinusNthe "subpack"
14:59:41peturyes, it's about the only reason I bought a h340
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15:00:05jhMikeSLinusN: :D if that's what you call your "thingie"
15:00:36*Bagder laughs
15:01:05*LinusN laughs at "you need that extra thingie to get to the line-in"
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15:01:38aliaskHigh class jokes here tonight :D
15:02:02peturthis afternoon too
15:02:25aliaskIs bugzilla used similarly to flyspray? Ie. Can you post patches to them?
15:02:33sublimalArathis: run tools/
15:03:00Arathissublimal: instead of what?
15:03:17Bagderaliask: bugzilla is the mother of all bug tracking monsters
15:03:34aliaskYes, it's easy to get quite lost.
15:03:53Arathissublimal: got it
15:03:53aliaskOh well, I'll just post it and see what happens.
15:03:59daurnimatori don't like bugzilla
15:04:10*aliask neither
15:05:13jhMikeSTable on 4-3..ok...I have to pick the "correct" table instead of them all being correct
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15:11:26jhMikeSSo basically freescale is saying "This is so complicated you cannot possibly understand it without our software to coddle you" partonizing! :)
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15:25:47jhMikeSpetur: you never checked if SPDIF worked or you don't use that?
15:26:36jhMikeSLinusN: so you're saying, basically to hold off reverting the recording to master mode on iRiver then?
15:26:59LinusNi can check s/pdif too
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15:27:48jhMikeSI'm curious since it uses another interface of course
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15:35:19daurnimatormy right foot is TOTALLY numb
15:35:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" gives me the following error: "/home/doerk/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
15:36:16Arathisis this RB related or do I need the iconv-dev package?
15:36:21*JdGordon punches daurnimator in the arm... now your foot doesnt hurt as much :D
15:36:22LinusNdaurnimator: this is not the correct forum for this, you should post your comment in the "Rockbox foot care" forum
15:36:50BagderArathis: it seems you might need some iconv package, yes
15:36:57daurnimatorJdGordon: its not sore
15:37:02daurnimatorits numb
15:37:21JdGordonok, well now u have a numb foot and a sort arm :D
15:37:23JdGordonsore even
15:37:24daurnimatorLinusN: care to point me a link to the rockbox podiatry clinic?
15:37:33BagderRockbox is about ARMs and boots, but not feet -)
15:37:35ArathisBagder: hm. I have the iconv package, but I don't know how to compile a -dev package, cause it's not in my repositories
15:37:55*LinusN shows Bagder the yellow card
15:38:21jhMikeSnow rockbox causes medical conditions and not just broken iPods...hmmm...
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15:39:36daurnimatorjhMikeS: "now"? - it always has
15:39:59daurnimator(which includes now, but you make it sound like it just started)
15:40:16jhMikeSI can show some code that will let you use your DAP as a hotpack on the sore arm :)
15:40:35Bagderalways a friendly soul around
15:41:30BagderArathis: none of my debian machines have required such a package
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15:42:09peturjhMikeS: my h340 doesn't have spdif
15:42:27peturI was just talking for other 'tapers'
15:42:31jhMikeSpetur: Didn't know if you had a H1x0 or not
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15:48:28jhMikeSShould we have a codec to write raw pcm data in the native format? That would be the simplest, most reliable way to record. Can make a plugin to covert the data to a file common format later.
15:49:11peturWAV isn't that complex, is it?
15:49:36peturunless we start doing other data-sizes
15:49:39jhMikeSBut it has header and it alway converted to little endian on the fly
15:50:00peturplenty of cpu to do just that
15:50:58jhMikeSAll that could be done post op and sample rates could do whatever they want...Cool Edit Pro allows loading of raw pcm that can be resaved as anything for instance
15:52:14preglowcool edit pro isn't exactly free, heh
15:52:17jhMikeSNo headers, no endian conversion, no mono
15:52:38jhMikeSI've had it a long time (version 1.2). Still works nice
15:52:48preglow1.2 is nice indeed
15:52:52*preglow loves cool edit pro
15:52:56jhMikeSActual 1.2a
15:53:00preglowusing 1.5 right now
15:53:03preglow2.0 is adobe hell
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15:53:37jhMikeSMy heart was crushed. Did they make it all "user friendly" and non-technical or something?
15:54:03preglowthey made it look like some bloated adobe app
15:54:10amiconnjhMikeS: If we want to save the byte swap on coldfire whil erecording, we could add aiff recording
15:54:23preglowwe should of course add aiff recording too
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15:55:47jhMikeSI'm just thinking I'd love a pcm format that doesn't require one big upfront header that must be correctly written after all data has been flushed. Something for the hardcore "I don't wanna miss a byte of this no matter what" people.
15:56:19amiconnThe wav header isn't exactly big...
15:56:32amiconn...and why would the wav header make you lose bytes?
15:56:46jhMikeSSo if your disk fills while recording won't die with an error an have an invalid file
15:57:12amiconnYou can always write the wav header even if recording stops because of disk full
15:57:20jhMikeSI suppose it need to be more graceful in handling errors in general. "is_error" doesn't just mean "disk full
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16:00:22jhMikeSNormally it wouldn't. It breaks instead of continuing to try to write data but it could be made to try flushing no matter what and the unwritten bytes are not counted so the header will be valid when it writes it.
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16:02:06jhMikeSIs AIFF really easy? I don't know anything about it.
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16:02:57linuxstbjhMikeS: If the size of the playback codec is anything to go by, then it must be.
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16:04:31jhMikeSCan AIFF have data in either endian?
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16:05:34jhMikeSguess not...big endian...but needs byte swapping on iPod :-\
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16:16:22bluebrotheris there a reason why the philips tuner overwrites all its settings upon entering / leaving sleep mode?
16:16:48amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, so the simplest recording format on coldfire will be aiff, and on ipod it will be wav
16:17:34amiconnBut there's no ipod recording atm anyway
16:17:56amiconnbluebrother: ?
16:18:07amiconnDo you mean the driver or the chip itself?
16:18:18jhMikeStrue...linuxstb started some and I put in endianness awareness during the codec compile to help
16:18:32bluebrotherin tuner_philips.c the driver resets all values in case RADIO_SLEEP
16:18:48bluebrotherthis also nukes e.g. the force mono bit
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16:19:49bluebrotherI changed it to modify only the affected bits and it works fine for me but I was wondering if there was a good reason doing it the way it's implemented now.
16:19:59jhMikeSI think the radio_on, radio_off, radio_pause should be at a firmware level including a function to tune the radio outside the radio screen.
16:21:45jhMikeSI'd like to be able to set the station from the record's on my TODO anyway
16:21:59amiconnImho that's the wrong way 'round
16:22:15bluebrotherhmm ... where should the line between firmware and apps get drawn?
16:22:22amiconnSwcodec should allow recording from the radio screen, as hwcodec does
16:23:12jhMikeSIt's not. When recording is the primary function that should have ui precedence
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16:26:17weazlesome1 id't the chips for the nano 2nd gen yet?
16:27:17jhMikeSbluebrother: I suppose it varies and not always a clean break but the farther down you go the more device specific it should be and more basic in functionality. Controlling the radio is pretty basic functionality. Communicating with it is driver code.
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16:30:52jhMikeSamiconn: does the recording from the radio screen allow all the recording features to be used or is it simplified in some way? I wouldn't want to force a simplified interface for radio.
16:31:29amiconnjhMikeS: It's debatable which of the 2 functions is primary when recording from the radio. But the point is, for radio recording it's more useful to have the radio screen controls availabl ethan having the recording screen controls available
16:32:04amiconnYou don't need source selection. Volume is in both screens.
16:32:28amiconnThe radio screen has station/frequency selection, this is what you said you want to have available as well
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16:32:30jhMikeSWell, simplified radio control from the recording screen and simplified recording from the radio screen would let you pick your priorities
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16:32:48amiconnThe recording settings are available from both screens via menu
16:33:24amiconnThe only debatable thing is that (currently, on hwcodec) there is no method to control the recording level for radio recording
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16:33:43amiconnThat could be added if necessary
16:34:38jhMikeSWhat about controlling the splitting and pausing/resuming from the radio screen? If the buttons were modal it could work but the x5 is out of room.
16:35:34amiconnAnother point is that with recording from radio screen, you can quickly record something (even better with prerecording running). You can't do that with the current swcodec implementation
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16:37:27amiconnWith your method, you would have interfaces for listening to the radio
16:37:44bluebrotheramiconn, I'm trying to reproduce the bug that station presets aren't loading anymore.
16:38:00bluebrothercan you tell me when it happens? I can't reproduce it :(
16:38:21jhMikeSIt should work there of course...but a line for setting the station in the recording screen would be nice with select used to set preset/scan
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16:43:39jhMikeShardware codec radio always has recording initialized. that's kinda silly for SWCODEC.
16:44:22jhMikeSThe is a way...a long rec press could take you right into the recording screen and start recording immediately.
16:46:30amiconnYes, hwcodec always has recording initialised... that should change, as the mas running in recording mode draws more power than in playback mode (although not much if it's only recording standby)
16:47:01amiconnInstead, we could shut down the dsp core completely, only leaving the audio codec running
16:47:44amiconnIt would still be possible to record from the radio screen, just with a slightly higher delay
16:47:48jhMikeSIt should only be on in both forms in prerecording radio is specified
16:48:01amiconnYes, exactly
16:49:16amiconnOn archos fmrecorder, the additional power draw from the mas is less obvious, because the non-spinning disk saves power (vs. playback)
16:49:27amiconnOn Ondio it _is_ obvious...
16:49:50jhMikeSYou hardly notice a delay in most cases except for codec loading. The recoding screen could seem more "radio like" when invoked from the radio screen and maybe save some duplication of code between screens.
16:50:29amiconnHmm. What about making those screens modular?
16:50:40amiconnEach screen could have 2 parts
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16:51:24jhMikeSThat's where I was going kinda...maybe they should be the same screens even
16:51:28*amiconn needs to add a state machine for the mas, also wrt pcm recording and playback
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16:53:31jhMikeSWasn't there something in the wiki about not being able to reprogram that chip? I guess that's been figured out then.
16:53:44pondlifelostlogic: around? I think I've got rid of cur_ti and would like to commit this bit
16:54:03pondlifeWell, I know I've got rid of it, and all seems well... but you mentioned you had problems before.
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16:56:15pondlifeI'm going to do some mini-commits of the playback simplifications that don't break anything.
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17:06:52jhMikeSwhy do we have an "LCD Mode" option for the main LCD on x5 now?
17:07:08jhMikeSAnd the one for the remote is broken at last check
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17:08:01jhMikeSguess its ok on the remote now...
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17:11:28pondlifeOh, heck - I'll commit it anyway..
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17:13:19webguest69Hello. Where are functions for fixed point arithmetics? In particular * and /?
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17:17:03linuxstbwebguest69: Everywhere... e.g. libmad, Tremor, dsp.c. There's no single fixed-point library in Rockbox (yet).
17:18:39webguest69linuxstb: so every module programs it "from scratch" (or via copy-paste?)
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17:20:01linuxstbWell, all the codec libraries (libmad, Tremor etc) come with their own fixed-point implementations.
17:21:02linuxstbBut creating a fixed-point lib in Rockbox has been discussed, it's just that no-one has got around to doing it.
17:22:48webguest69linuxstb: Linus insists that I use fixed point math in FS #6145. I see absolutely no performance issue there but as he's God in RB I try to obey. What would you recommend?
17:24:35]MrFWorK[for some reason i can't get wavpack files to play on my ihp-120 with a fairly new build, any ideas
17:25:53linuxstbwebguest69: It's not just performance, using floating point increases code size as well.
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17:27:28linuxstbwebguest69: But I'm afraid I can't help you with that, I've never done any fixed-point programming. But I'm sure you can find lots of references on the web. Or ask here again later when other people might be around who do know.
17:27:46webguest69linuxstb: so what would you recommend? I've seen that a fixed point impl is made with lot of #ifdef etc. So it wouldbe a big mess for me. Is it that much more code?
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17:28:11webguest69linuxstb: sorry, didn't see your reply. Ok, I'll ask later.
17:30:03dproOT anyone knows a quick way to figure out the gcc version that was used to compile the currently running kernel (gnu/linux) ... I get nasty "invalid module format" errors ....
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17:34:26dprofound it it's like strings moduleknowntowork.ko | grep "gcc-"
17:35:05dprooh and theres a modinfo command ;)
17:35:21bluebrotherjust wanted to mention modinfo
17:35:29bluebrothertoo slow
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17:37:03webguest69 linuxstb: what range can we store in a long int?
17:39:20hcswebguest69: it might be best to specify the exact size you want, say with int32_t
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17:42:27webguest69 hcs: what range could we hold then (in int32_t)? Is there an unsigned variant of it?
17:42:46hcsjust a 32-bit integer
17:43:06hcsthis can cause performance issues, though, as I am now discovering
17:43:49webguest69 hcs: that's not for a performance critical place
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17:45:54hcsrange of an unsigned 32-bit integer is 0 to 4,294,967,295, according to my calculator, signed is -2,147,283,648 to 2,147,483,647
17:46:17webguest69 hcs: ok, thanks!
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17:49:17amiconnjhMikeS: We have received the pcm codec for the MAS3500 F serie and permission to use it from archos & micronas
17:49:37amiconnThere is a wavplay plugin for some months which works just fine
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18:14:56jhMikeS amiconn: interesting. It's not in source form?
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18:18:28hcsunsurprisingly, a dumb loop with addition that often only runs through once is overall faster than the equivalent division/remainder that only runs through once
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18:41:52Arathiscould someone be so kind an compile a logf version of the newest cvs? I have some problems compiling it regarding libiconv
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18:42:41barrywardellfor which target?
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18:47:10barrywardelli have one here - just a sec...
18:47:53Arathisbarrywardell: latest build?
18:48:11barrywardelldoing a cvs update now before i recompile
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18:59:41hcscrap, got an "unable to find register to spill" error
19:01:32Arathisthanks barrywardell
19:02:03Arathishopefully this will show me where tag-cache stucks
19:04:52hcsas far as I can tell from googling this is an internal compiler error, anything I can do besides juggling some code around and hoping?
19:04:55godzirramy 5.5g freezes on startup now.
19:04:56godzirraI'm not sure why.
19:05:46Kaltharegodzirra: I didn't have time yesterday to properly test the patch. It's got some bad problems.
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19:06:53linuxstbhcs: Which version of gcc are you using?
19:08:01KalthareIt panics if you try to write anywhere past the first quarter of the disc. I think I fixed that check, but now it hangs during music playback, and I'm not going to post an update to the patch until I figure out why.
19:08:27*godzirra nods.
19:08:29godzirrawell damn.
19:08:42godzirraLet me know if you need anything I can help wiht, or just need someone else to test.
19:09:08hcslinuxstb: 3.4.6
19:09:16hcsas built by the build script
19:10:07linuxstbKalthare: It's not urgent, but I would be curious what results the "test_fps" plugin gives on your 5g. Details are here:
19:10:16linuxstbhcs: For Coldfire?
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19:10:20hcslinuxstb: yeah
19:11:28hcsStill getting it, after removing some stuff I had meant to remove anyway. This started after I converted some divisions to while loops.
19:14:36godzirraKalthare: I'm guessing no idea on timeframe? Just debating whether to bother switching my ipod back to *sigh* itunes. :)
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19:15:36Kaltharegodzirra: No idea at all. I'm a little busy today. I'm ding what I can.
19:16:19godzirraKalthare: ALl good. Not trying to rush you or anything, was just curious. :)
19:16:59Kaltharelinuxstb: 1/1: 23.0 fps 1/4: 45.5 fps CPU: 30000000 Hz
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19:17:29Kaltharegodzirra: I know. Just letting you know my status.
19:18:07linuxstbKalthare: That's slightly faster than the reported speed of the 5g on the wiki page....
19:18:30linuxstbAlthough that test is 10 months old...
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19:19:59Kaltharelinuxstb: Not sure what that info is useful for, but I hope it helped. :)
19:20:45linuxstbIt measure the speed Rockbox can update the LCD.
19:21:05linuxstbI was just curious if there is any difference in that between the 5gs.
19:21:18linuxstbI'm just about to run it on my 5g now.
19:23:35linuxstbI get 22.5 and 45.5 at 30MHz. So it looks like they are about the same - and somehow it's faster than it was in April...
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19:25:16KalthareWell, let's hear it for small improvements then :)
19:26:31godzirraHmm.. so we're back to only having the mbr editing option?
19:26:41hcslinuxstb: if I remove enough of these loops the error goes away, but it doesn't seem to relate to any one of them in particular
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19:29:44Kaltharegodzirra: Well, if you want a stable system right now, that's the only way, unfortunately.
19:30:21godzirraAll good. Some is better than none :)
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19:46:53amiconnjhMikeS: No, no source code. Just the codec binary in the form of several large char arrays, and example C code (for the host CPU) how to download the codec to the MAS
19:49:56Arathisbarrywardell: do you see why tag-cache won't work on my player?
19:51:31jhMikeSamiconn: they still can't just hand out the docs on writing them huh?
19:51:55amiconnPerhaps they could, but in fact I prefer it this way
19:52:18jhMikeSWhy...could write our own then
19:52:25amiconnSome docs about the dsp core leaked, and therefore I knwo a bit about the assembly language
19:52:37amiconnI prefer not having to deal with this
19:53:03amiconnHarvard architecture, and the dev has to ensure pipeline synchronisation
19:53:36Arathisor does anyone else get a clue about my logfile regarding tag-cache?
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19:55:02amiconnIf one instruction calculates some value and another instruction needs the result of the first one, you must nost place the instruction too close. Otherwise insn #2 would just use the old register value before insn #1 updates it
19:56:23jhMikeSheh...the opposite of the stall problem...the race problem :P
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19:57:30Arathisnobody? :(
19:57:36amiconnYes, the MAS core doesn't stall when data isn't ready
19:58:08jhMikeSI kind of like that idea...wish it were more common actually
19:58:43amiconnArathis: tagcache failed init
19:58:43amiconntoo long entry!
19:59:03Arathisamiconn: yes but what's ment by this?
19:59:12Arathiswhich entry is too long?
19:59:36Arathissry, I'm just a bit tired. (physical and mental)
20:01:27amiconnlinuxstb: /home/rbclient/build-h120/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf: final close failed: No space left on device
20:01:27amiconncollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
20:01:34amiconn...on your build server...
20:02:50Arathisamiconn: could you exlain it to me? please
20:03:01jhMikeSWhat's with a build estimate of 32min:52s !?!
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20:04:32jhMikeSIt of course crashed on me again yesterday...but it is getting closer to Friday the 13th.
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20:23:42linuxstb_amiconn: Thanks for the heads-up - I've cleared a few GB now.
20:25:31barrywardellArathis: looking at apps/tagcache.c:2068, that's where that error appears
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20:26:09Arathisbarrywardell: so it's code related not player related?
20:26:36barrywardelli'm not sure, but it's probabl that you either have a filename that's too long
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20:26:40barrywardellor a tag that's too long
20:27:31Arathishm..but it worked before and I didn't change any tag or filename, even didn't copy anything else than the rockbox files on the player
20:27:58Arathiswould be nice if the logfile could be more precise :/
20:29:07barrywardellyou could add more logf() lines in with more info if you wanted
20:29:18barrywardellbut you'd have to get a logf build to compile then
20:30:20Arathisbarrywardell: as said before I had problems getting the arm-elf-gcc to compile so I couldn't compile my own build till now either :(
20:31:23KalthareCan that VMware thing build the h10 target?
20:32:41barrywardellprobably. it can build for the ipods, right? if so then almost definitely yes
20:33:36KalthareMaybe you should try that, Arathis.
20:34:14Arathisi'll try. is it in the wiki?
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20:34:45KalthareI think so. Do a search for vmware.
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20:42:03SlasheriArathis: it means that a tag is longer than MAX_PATH
20:42:15Slasheriyou can add more logf lines to see which filename has the problem
20:42:24Slasheriand then check that file with a tag editor
20:44:14ArathisSlasheri: btw how or which lines shall I add to which file? apps/tagcache.c ?
20:44:38ArathisI don't have a clue about C, C+ or whatever RB is coded
20:44:54SlasheriArathis: yep, apps/tagcache.c. Then find all lines which have something like "too long entry!"
20:45:03Slasheriand add more logfs next to those lines
20:46:18SlasheriArathis: ah, in fact printing the filename isn't that trivial because you would need to read in more data from the commit file
20:46:30Slasheribut you can print the current position of the commit file instead:
20:47:05Slasherilogf("pos=%d", lseek(tmpfd, 0, SEEK_CURRENT));
20:47:25Slasheriand then use a hex editor on pc and find the correct position
20:47:32Slasherithere you can see the filename and all other data
20:47:43Arathisokay, I'm downloading the vmimage. perhaps it's better to explain if I have it there
20:47:47Slasheri(hexedit on tagcache_tmp.tcd)
20:48:04Arathiscause I don't understand anything you said ^^
20:48:09Slasherihehe :D
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21:00:06jhMikeSgotta go pick up the car from the dealer...bbl
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21:12:24hcsI just got a data abort on my iPod somewhere up around e8000000
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21:24:20amiconnSlasheri: Why doesn't tagcache just truncate overly long entries?
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21:26:27Slasheriamiconn: it should when creating the commit file.. but apparently there might be a bug
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21:29:10PaulJamSlasheri: have you read what i wrote yesterday at 14:52 ?
21:30:29SlasheriPaulJam: yes, i noticed it but i am not able to reproduce that :/
21:30:33Slasherii will try with simulator soon
21:32:11linuxstbamiconn: Have you had any more thoughts about the h300 warnings?
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21:33:52amiconnI think the native bitmap functions should be removed from the multi-screen api and be used directly, at least for now
21:35:05hcslinuxstb: I was able to clear up the errors with a liberal sprinkling of const
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21:36:35hcswhich was probably a good idea to have in anyway
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21:38:04linuxstbamiconn: I'm not against that, but it does seem a backwards step...
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21:41:09amiconnI didn't say it's optimal...
21:41:48amiconnBut then, the usb logo display is the first (and so far only) place that uses screen->bitmap
21:43:00PaulJamSlasheri: i have now tried to reproduce the crash with a cvs build on target and it happens there too. this is what i did to reproduce: reset settings, select a song from the filebrowser, then call the quickmenu from wps and set fileview to tagcache, leave the quickmenu and then press navi -> freeze.
21:44:24linuxstbamiconn: OK, I'll do that then. I agree that none of the solutions are nice.
21:45:26SlasheriPaulJam: ok, thanks. i will try that tomorrow
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21:51:35PaulJamdoes the problem with the disappearing disklabel also appear on the h300? or can someone tell me how to view the disk label under linux?
21:53:03peturhaven't heard a long time of that issue
21:53:12PaulJamlinux now mounts my h300 as "usbdisk". a few hours ago it was mounted as "H300"
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21:53:48sneakumsPaulJam: mdir from mtools should show it in the listing, also mlabel
21:54:06sneakumsif you have a recent kernel with udev, have a look in /dev/disk/by-label
21:55:58Davide-NYCRequest for Help: trying to run the profiling script on a profile.out file I generated to profile aac.c
21:56:12Davide-NYCerror = No symbols found
21:56:32Davide-NYCand error = could not open profile file although it is there and contains data
21:57:00Davide-NYCnever mind the could not find error, it was a typo
21:57:08LearYou need to specify the map file(s) and some .a file at least to get symbols...
21:57:12PaulJamunder /dev/disk/by-label it is not listed
21:57:55Davide-NYCthansk lear
21:58:02LearFor AAC, that'd could be apps/codecs/ libm4a.a libfaad.a
21:58:53Davide-NYCboth lib files or either/or
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21:59:41LearBoth lib files.
21:59:58Learlibfaad is the most interesting one though.
22:01:09linuxstbLear: Is 256kbit/s AAC playing realtime on Coldfire now?
22:02:18Davide-NYClinuxstb: yes, I did some testing on a H1x0 yesterday
22:02:19LearYes, last time I checked at least. Not with that much margin...
22:02:32Davide-NYCCPU boost ratios available there
22:03:22linuxstbSo even 400kbit/s files are playing?
22:04:00Davide-NYCthey do play
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22:04:19Davide-NYCI've had lock-ups going in and out of the view audio thread screen at that bitrate though
22:04:28Davide-NYClet me get the exact error
22:04:57Davide-NYCI40:PDIR1FULL at 00000000
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22:08:16Davide-NYCLear: I'm still getting no symbol found error
22:09:07Davide-NYCI copied the lib/a files to the rockbox root dir since it was giving a "no file found" error when I pointed the script to the files
22:09:40Davide-NYCso I have profile.out libm4a.a and libfaad.a in the same dir
22:09:45LearI usually do the other way around, copy the profile out file...
22:09:55LearBut that should work too...
22:10:12Davide-NYCno dice. just a series of No symbol found warnings
22:10:28LearAs long as you got the files from the build you used to create the .out file.
22:12:13Davide-NYCNot understanding you.
22:12:32Davide-NYCwhat is my expected output? (to standard out)
22:12:35LearAnd you need to specify what sort of output you want to get anything more. I usually use "1"
22:12:55LearYou put that last on the line.
22:13:15LearWrite "1_p" to get things as percentages instead of absolute values.
22:13:48Davide-NYCgot it! thanks
22:13:57Davide-NYCI will post this musery to the forum
22:14:29Davide-NYCare the resulkts relevant if more than one bitrate file were used during profiling?
22:14:36*Davide-NYC must learn to type!
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22:15:41LearShould be, at least if you stick to one AAC profile, and not mix LC-AAC with HE-AAC...
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22:16:18LearBut you got playback on Nero files, without any modifications to them?
22:16:19Davide-NYCthey were all nero encoded files with all of the same settings other than bitrate
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22:16:37Davide-NYCIs there a way to get the output sort in reverse order of function calls?
22:16:49Davide-NYCmost called first...
22:17:15LearJust type the name of the parsing script, it will show you all the kinds of outputs you can get.
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22:17:59LearThe files the Nero encoder created for me were not streamable, so they wouldn't play without changes...
22:22:14Davide-NYCbefore or after yesterday's m4a aprser changes?
22:22:22PaulJam_hmm, according to mdir my h300 has no label anymore
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22:23:19Davide-NYCLear: they should play on iriver now
22:24:03peturPaulJam_: ouch!
22:24:36Davide-NYCLear: on Oct 11 Magnus Holmgren committed Improved MP4 file parsing. everything became playable after that
22:24:46Davide-NYC(at least for me)
22:24:58*linuxstb suspects Lear knows that...
22:25:15wibbixHello folks. I've working with markun on porting to the gigabeat. I'm able to compile rockbox now (not saying it's correct) but the resulting rockbox binary is VERY big. Just over 1 GB. Suggestions on where I should look?
22:25:33wibbixThe elf seems ok, tho.
22:25:39wibbixsize wise, that is.
22:26:05*petur mutters something about feature bloat :p
22:26:30Bagderwibbix: sounds like a bad .lds
22:26:36Bagdercheck the .map
22:27:22Bagderprobably you have some symbols at 0x0 that shouldn't be there
22:27:59wibbixcursed vectors...
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22:28:34Leardavide-nyc: before and after. The Nero encoder I use create non-streamable files, and they sure won't play.
22:28:51Davide-NYCwhich target?
22:30:00bluebrotherhow can I get the PID of a bash script from inside that script?
22:30:08Bagderbluebrother: $$
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22:31:29Davide-NYCIs 'streamability' an encoding option?
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22:35:14LearNot normally, as far as I've seen. It's the order in which the encoder puts the data in the file.
22:35:48LearNow, where has Ahead hidden that free encoder download page...
22:39:09*linuxstb spots flac 1.1.3-beta1
22:39:53linuxstbArgh! FLAC now supports embedded images...
22:41:22linuxstbChangelog here if anyone is interested:*checkout*/flac/flac/doc/html/changelog.html
22:42:28LearAh, I had downloaded the latest Nero encoder, but apparantly not installed it. :)
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22:47:58Davide-NYChmm, shouldn't playback work for files encoded with older encoders? Should we host the old nero encoder for future 'backward compatibility" testing?
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22:52:49LearNot easy to fix, at least with current Rockbox. Testing compatibility should be fairly easy; I'm pretty sure Foobar2000 0.9.x has an option for where the metata should be.
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22:53:37*Lear still sees reds and yellows... :)
22:54:02linuxstbTrue, but I didn't directly cause those...
22:57:20linuxstbAnyone have any idea what the new flac REPLAYGAIN_REFERENCE_LOUDNESS tag is for?
23:02:01LearGuess: the reference level used when calculating the replaygain value. Typically 89 dB.
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23:03:08linuxstbYes, that seems to be it. I think it's hard-coded to be "89.0 dB"
23:03:52iRockshey has anybody gotten rockbox on ipod 5.5g 30gig from windows to work... im in cmd right now and it won't find my ipod
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23:04:37Davide-NYCDoes anyone know of the existence (or not) of a standalone CLI WMA encoder?
23:04:56linuxstbiRocks: Rockbox on the new 5gs is still experimental. You need to patch (i.e. change the source code and compile yourself) the Rockbox bootloader, Rockbox itself and the various tools like ipod_fw and ipodpatcher.
23:05:08linuxstbiRocks: Even when you do all that, it's still not working reliably.
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23:05:11Davide-NYCI found the Windows Media Encoding Script but it requires Windows Media Payer (I think)
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23:05:32iRocksi have a compiled rockbox that's been patched and a patched ipod_fw.exe
23:05:50linuxstbDo you have a patched ipodpatcher.exe?
23:05:59iRocksno i don't
23:06:38iRocksi didn't realize that ipodpatcher.exe had to be patched also
23:06:52linuxstbIt does.
23:07:11iRocksif you have it could you upload it for me (i'm too lazy to compile my own plus this computer doesn't have anything pretty much installed on it)
23:07:24linuxstbNo, I don't have it.
23:07:29iRocksah ok
23:07:45iRockshas anybody uploaded it already?
23:10:00iRocksor can anybody tell me where the patch is located?
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23:11:08BagderiRocks: its been discussed in the forums
23:12:17iRocksi only see a patch for ipod_fw.exe
23:12:23iRocksor ipod_fw.c rather
23:14:35linuxstbiRocks: I don't know if it will work, but try this:
23:15:02iRocksthanks i'll try it
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23:32:18KalthareThe patched Rockbox for the new 30GB is still too unstable to use.
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23:35:06linuxstbKalthare: I told iRocks that... Have you had chance to investigate yet?
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23:37:07KalthareWell, I started to investigate it, but I haven't learned much. I should have less distraction now, so I may have more success.
23:37:49*petur also has less distraction now
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23:39:57linuxstbKalthare: You should try and catch Zagor's attention - he did most of the work on the Rockbox fat driver. But he's not around much these days.
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23:42:47KalthareI was gonna ask if the person who wrote that driver was still around..
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23:47:40*LinusN looks at the (C) line in fat.c
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23:49:07iRocksalright ihave rockbox installed, but like kathlere said, its unstable
23:49:23iRocksdoes anybody know if any progress has been made since two days ago?
23:49:43*linuxstb looks at "cvs log fat.c"
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23:50:39KalthareWell, the patch happened yesterday. I haven't fixed it yet, no.
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23:52:01iRocksmy question is, will it be as simple as just replacing the .rockbox folder on the root of my ipod or will i have to completely reinstall rockbox?
23:53:02KalthareReplacing rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder should do the trick.
23:53:36iRocksah thanks goodness
23:53:52iRocksalso, is it possible to switch back to apple os (what button do i hold during startup)?
23:54:24KalthareYou hold the menu button, but it doesn't seem to work very often
23:54:36iRockso ok
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23:56:37linuxstbThe most reliable way is to shut down Rockbox (long press on play), then turn the ipod on by pressing menu, and keep your finger down on menu until you see the Rockbox bootloader display "Loading original firmware."
23:57:03hcsvery rarely works for me
23:57:15linuxstbWorks every time for me.
23:57:21scorcheand make sure to keep your thumb very still ;)
23:57:42hcsooh, turn on with menu, keep holding menu, that seems to work
23:58:02iRockswell almost appears as if im screwed
23:58:06KalthareI mean on the 5.5. It's very unreliable for some reason. The Apple firmware fails to load almost every time.
23:58:28iRocksturning off the ipod writes to the hdd so it crashes, and when it boots the original, it crashes
23:58:48linuxstbDo you mean the Apple firmware fails to load, or the Rockbox bootloader doesn't detect the MENU keypress and just loads Rockbox?

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