| 00:00:36 | petur | thursdays are the party night of students, and I live in the middle of them |
| 00:00:53 | petur | it's midnight and the noise begins... |
| 00:01:10 | iRocks | wow i can't even turn my ipod off :-( |
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| 00:02:30 | iRocks | kalthare, i realize its a broad question, but are you working on fixing this, and if so could u give me a general timespan (hours, days, weeks, months?) |
| 00:03:04 | * | petur remembers the old topic |
| 00:03:32 | Kalthare | I'm working on it, but I have no idea how long it'll take. |
| 00:04:44 | iRocks | ok thanks |
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| 00:42:08 | godzirra | Kalthare: I know I've said it before, but we (or at least I =) appreciate all the hard work you've done. |
| 00:42:09 | linuxstb | Can some with more forum powers than me move this thread back to a visible forum? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4998.0 |
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| 00:45:25 | scorche | linuxstb: done |
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| 00:45:42 | Kalthare | Is there a WPS that doesn't display anything? |
| 00:45:54 | linuxstb | scorche: Thanks. When did those old forums disappear from developers? |
| 00:45:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kalthare: You could make one very easily |
| 00:46:22 | scorche | linuxstb: when Paul_the_Nerd made them disappear ;) |
| 00:47:31 | PaulJam | wouldn't it be better to put the old treads in an archive forum where they can still be read? |
| 00:48:11 | Kalthare | Paul_the_Nerd: Okay, thanks.. |
| 00:48:15 | scorche | PaulJam: they are kind of... |
| 00:48:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | PaulJam: Then people would in some cases want to respond to them. At the moment, if someone finds an important thread seems to be missing I can bring it back from the old forums. |
| 00:48:19 | godzirra | why would you want a wps that doesnt display anything? |
| 00:48:29 | scorche | oh..for normal users as well |
| 00:48:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | I suppose I could make them read-only |
| 00:49:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | But I think having them visible at all for normal users will probably just add confusion. |
| 00:49:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | "Why can't I post in the forum for my iPod Video?" and such |
| 00:49:23 | scorche | they are quite a few... |
| 00:50:22 | Kalthare | godzirra: Because the WPSes I have right now are painting updates all over my debugging output |
| 00:50:24 | linuxstb | It could just be a single "Archived threads" forum |
| 00:50:51 | linuxstb | But I'm guessing there's no way to bulk-move them all? |
| 00:51:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: I *think* I can merge forums actually |
| 00:51:42 | PaulJam | Paul_the_Nerd: there don't have to be a link to them on the main forum page, but it would be nice to be able to find old threas by the forum search. |
| 00:51:57 | scorche | i think you have to see the forums to search them |
| 00:51:59 | godzirra | Kalthare: Ahh. Good reason. |
| 00:52:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | PaulJam: That's very true. I've been trying to think of a way that doesn't increase confusion, but hadn't come up with one yet. |
| 00:52:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | I *think* I've got it though |
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| 00:53:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | How about a single forum called "Archived Threads" and inside it, Subforums for each of the old forums. They would display on the main screen similar to the Hardware Repair forum. |
| 00:53:25 | PaulJam | that is what i meant initially |
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| 01:14:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | PaulJam: How's that look? It should be searchable too. |
| 01:17:04 | PaulJam | looks nice. but propably you could move it to the bottom of the forum. |
| 01:17:28 | godzirra | Kalthare: well good luck. anything I can do to help, please dont hesitate to ask :) |
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| 01:17:43 | linuxstb | I was thinking the same thing - maybe in its own group at the very bottom of the page? |
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| 01:18:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bottom of General (just moved it there, see how it looks) or bottom of page? |
| 01:19:20 | linuxstb | I was thinking very bottom of page, but it's fine there. |
| 01:20:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think I'll leave it there for the moment. |
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| 01:21:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | At the moment, nobody can post in them (except developers and expert and mods, but that's more part of my giving them all the ability to pull threads out of there, which I *believe* they can do.) |
| 01:21:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's possible I missed a permission or added an additional permission somewhere |
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| 01:23:32 | rushfan | Anyone know how progress on the 5.5gen ipods is oging? |
| 01:23:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | rushfan: It's pretty much all in the thread for it on the forums, I think |
| 01:23:58 | rushfan | Oh. |
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| 01:24:51 | Kalthare | rushfan: 30GB or 80GB? |
| 01:25:33 | rushfan | Kalthare: 80GB |
| 01:25:43 | rushfan | Paul_the_Nerd: mind pointing me to the thread? Im browsing the forum but dont see anything |
| 01:25:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | rushfan: It's in the New Ports forum. |
| 01:26:04 | rushfan | ok |
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| 01:26:25 | Kalthare | rushfan: It's a total non-starter at this point −− sorry. It won't boot. We're not sure why. We suspect it's an incompatibility in the ATA hardware. |
| 01:26:44 | rushfan | Oh |
| 01:26:50 | rushfan | Kalthare: so I have awhile to wait, eh? |
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| 01:27:37 | l0de | Hello sirs. I am looking for information about identifying the generation of my ipod and possibly installing rockbox on it if possible, have I come to the right channel? |
| 01:27:45 | Kalthare | rushfan: There's no knowing. |
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| 01:28:15 | linuxstb | l0de: Yes, but try here first: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:28:31 | l0de | ok I will read this faq and return, thank you. |
| 01:29:15 | rushfan | Kalthare: I just hope it gets running eventually. heh |
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| 01:31:34 | l0de | Linuxstb- ok, after reading that faq I determined that it is a 5.5g, an 80gb video ipod. I read on ipodwizard.com that someone on the rockbox forums had succeeded in installing rockbox on a 5.5g, but after using the forums search function, I could not find any info to confirm this. Do you have any information on this topic? |
| 01:32:43 | linuxstb | It's running (but is unstable) on the 30GB, but doesn't run at all on the 80GB. |
| 01:33:11 | l0de | :| |
| 01:33:18 | linuxstb | The forum thread discussing it is here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0 |
| 01:33:47 | l0de | How disappointing, I bought the ipod expressly with the intent to use rockbox, now I find I should have done more research. Thanks for the data. |
| 01:34:16 | Kalthare | Sorry about that. We're working on it, but there's no telling when or if a breakthrough may happen. |
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| 01:34:49 | l0de | Well, thanks for your hard work for no pay. Good luck with it. |
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| 02:01:43 | webguest11 | is there anyway to get midi playback to play at a normal rate on ipod video? |
| 02:02:12 | webguest11 | ipod video is a lot less buggy than 4g on everything else |
| 02:07:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't think resampling works still. |
| 02:07:56 | linuxstb | I've never tried the midi player, but looking at the source, it's using a 22.050KHz samplerate, but Rockbox currently only supports 44.1KHz on the ipod. I don't know if it's possible to simple change the #define in the source code or if there are bigger problems. |
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| 02:15:57 | godzirra | Kalthare: Since I pulled the apple_os.bin etc off with dd and the patched ipod_fw.c, I sh3~ould still be able to install the bootloader with a standard bootloader-video.bin an no hex editing, right? |
| 02:16:08 | dricx | mmm |
| 02:16:32 | dricx | gigabeat firmware is already made or... |
| 02:17:10 | godzirra | last I heard it was being worked on |
| 02:17:21 | linuxstb | godzirra: What do you mean by "standard bootloader-video.bin" ? You need the 2048-byte sector version of the bootloader. |
| 02:17:46 | godzirra | linuxstb: so I have to use the bootloader-video.bin that I compiled after kalthare's patch? |
| 02:17:51 | godzirra | I'm trying to move back to the mtools way |
| 02:17:58 | dricx | can anyone tell me where can i get infor about it |
| 02:17:59 | godzirra | so I can at least use my ipod without ituns for now :) |
| 02:18:14 | godzirra | *itunes |
| 02:18:50 | Kalthare | godzirra: You can use the standard bootloader, but you'll need to use the patched ipod_fw, and you'll still have to hexedit your partition table |
| 02:18:57 | linuxstb | godzirra: If you reformat with 512-byte sectors, then the standard bootloader-video.bin and rockbox.zip will work, but you'll still need the patched ipod_fw.c. |
| 02:19:42 | godzirra | ok, so all the files I have now will still work except for the non edited mbr.bin |
| 02:19:44 | Kalthare | ...I Think it's trying to read past the end of the drive. |
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| 02:20:09 | godzirra | thats odd. is there an easy way to fi tha? |
| 02:20:12 | godzirra | *Fix that |
| 02:20:20 | godzirra | or test that? |
| 02:20:25 | Joely | godzirra! use the patched ipod_fw.exe i compiled! |
| 02:20:26 | Joely | haha |
| 02:20:39 | godzirra | Joely: but then i'd have to find a windows box :p |
| 02:20:45 | Joely | oh ok |
| 02:20:46 | godzirra | but good job getting it patched for windows ;) |
| 02:20:56 | Joely | haha i didn't patch anything |
| 02:21:13 | Joely | i only did some meaningless compiling |
| 02:21:17 | Joely | :-P |
| 02:21:27 | godzirra | lol |
| 02:21:56 | hcs | don't sell yourself short, that was some meaningful dumb compiling you did |
| 02:21:59 | sneakums | i can build Linux/x86 or Linux/ppc binaries, if someone needs one |
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| 02:28:01 | Joely | ok, does anyone think it would help to make a driver to intercept all usb traffic for the sansa port? because there's that `manufacturing mode' that might be useful, correct? |
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| 02:29:40 | rushfan | Greating. My mfing ipod just had a battery meltdown. |
| 02:29:56 | sneakums | TMI |
| 02:30:01 | sneakums | by which i mean, three mile island |
| 02:30:36 | rushfan | heh |
| 02:30:49 | rushfan | My computer froze, so I had to do a hard reboot while my ipod was connected |
| 02:30:51 | scorche | must have been pretty hot to melt that metal backing |
| 02:30:56 | rushfan | and I disconnected it. |
| 02:31:00 | rushfan | Then I reconnected it, and it froze |
| 02:31:19 | rushfan | And when I disconnected it, it wouldnt turn on. And wreaked of battery acid |
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| 02:31:39 | rushfan | It wasnt hot until until I reconnected it. It like suddenly overheated in a very short period of time. : |
| 02:31:42 | rushfan | :|* |
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| 02:33:55 | iRox | hey what's this I hear about a stable 5.5g by editing the MBR |
| 02:34:04 | scorche | it isnt stable |
| 02:34:15 | iRox | o ok |
| 02:34:26 | iRox | does anybody have it to a point where they can play music? |
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| 02:35:02 | JdGordon | if someone doesnt care about itunes with the 5.5g colld they just format the disk with 512byte sectors and try the regular 5g bui;d? |
| 02:35:03 | godzirra | on an ipod? Yeah. But you need linux and mtools to do it. |
| 02:35:05 | godzirra | its not a simple process. |
| 02:35:25 | scorche | JdGordon: i think they can, but still need a patched ipod_fw |
| 02:35:32 | scorche | and not sure how stable either |
| 02:35:39 | JdGordon | someone should try that... |
| 02:35:55 | scorche | im sure someone has... |
| 02:36:08 | iRox | what changes need to be done to the MBR? |
| 02:36:12 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The Apple bootloader expects the partition table to refer to 2048-byte sectors. Kalthare has already hacked around that though and done what you've suggested. |
| 02:36:14 | iRox | is it posted on the forums? |
| 02:36:19 | scorche | iRox: yes |
| 02:36:25 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 02:36:35 | * | Paul_the_Nerd wonders if a li-ion battery should ever smell of battery acid. |
| 02:37:01 | hcs | perhaps it was just the vinegar on the salad you had for lunch |
| 02:37:03 | iRox | how much more stable would you say it is? |
| 02:37:06 | rushfan | Its battery acid or burning electronics |
| 02:37:11 | iRox | i mean right now my ipod can't even turn off |
| 02:37:15 | rushfan | But it has that very unique smell that only electronics get |
| 02:37:49 | linuxstb | iRox: It should be a lot more stable. |
| 02:37:58 | Kalthare | It's quite stable indeed. |
| 02:38:04 | linuxstb | But it's not a straightforward process... |
| 02:38:37 | Kalthare | It's very hard to set up, and I'm not sure if it's possible from Windows. |
| 02:38:38 | linuxstb | (and means you can't access the disk from Windows or normally from Linux, or run the Apple firmware...) |
| 02:38:48 | iRox | if i were to run slax however? |
| 02:38:50 | iRox | :) |
| 02:38:58 | godzirra | wtf is slax? |
| 02:39:00 | linuxstb | Although I expect mtools could run under Cygwin... |
| 02:39:06 | godzirra | people keep saying slax and I assumed it was slang for slackware. |
| 02:39:08 | iRox | slax is a live linux boot cd |
| 02:39:11 | | Part l0de |
| 02:39:21 | scorche | in other words, slackware live cd |
| 02:39:22 | godzirra | ah |
| 02:39:23 | iRox | u can run linux without having it installed |
| 02:39:34 | godzirra | so knoppix for slackwaer. |
| 02:39:35 | Joely | anyone need mtools native binary for windows? |
| 02:39:36 | godzirra | ok |
| 02:39:36 | Joely | lol |
| 02:39:44 | godzirra | Joely: google. |
| 02:39:46 | godzirra | you might find it. |
| 02:39:51 | Joely | oh... |
| 02:40:12 | godzirra | I have a ton of native linux tools on my windows setup |
| 02:40:17 | Kalthare | mtools works under Cygwin. Whether it can directly access a partition on a USB device is what I don't know. |
| 02:40:17 | godzirra | that some guy compileod for windows. |
| 02:40:27 | scorche | vmware can |
| 02:40:56 | iRox | kalthare: so basically do you have the set up you had the other day? |
| 02:41:11 | Kalthare | iRox: What do you mean? |
| 02:41:12 | iRox | on like page 4 of the forums |
| 02:41:19 | iRox | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.45 |
| 02:41:40 | Kalthare | Um.. what is it you want from me regarding that? |
| 02:42:15 | JdGordon | he wants your soul!! |
| 02:42:22 | scorche | and your first-born |
| 02:42:24 | iRox | you said (like 5 min ago) that you have rockbox running more stable but it requires linux.... is this what you did? |
| 02:42:40 | linuxstb | Kalthare: It should be able to - I'm pretty sure dd works on Cygwin with a USB disk. |
| 02:42:50 | Kalthare | iRox: Yeah. |
| 02:42:55 | godzirra | Kalthare: any luck on the end of disk issue? |
| 02:43:04 | linuxstb | Cygwin gives you the usual /dev/sdX etc devices. |
| 02:43:16 | Kalthare | iRox: Actually, what's the capacity of your iPod? |
| 02:43:22 | iRox | 30gig |
| 02:43:38 | Kalthare | iRox: Yeah, then, the MBR hack should work. |
| 02:43:44 | iRox | i have rockbox on there right now but is SUPER unstabe.... it wont' even turn off because it crashes |
| 02:43:47 | rushfan | I should act like a mentally deraigned lunatic and go into the apple store screaming at them for making such shit projects |
| 02:44:06 | iRox | i hope to fix it tonight... is that a feasible goal? |
| 02:44:30 | Joely | iRox, anything is possible :) |
| 02:44:39 | Kalthare | Yeah, depending. It's a very complicated process, and easy to screw up. |
| 02:44:47 | godzirra | rushfan: they'll just have their "people" escort you out. Nice knowing you. :) |
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| 02:44:56 | Kalthare | godzirra: I haven't had time to look yet. |
| 02:45:30 | godzirra | Kalthare: ok. don't take my persistent questioning as trying to rush you. i'm just over eager and cant do much to help unfortunately. :) |
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| 02:46:45 | iRox | would it require losing my files? |
| 02:46:51 | godzirra | yeah |
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| 02:47:34 | iRox | im in a tough situation because my computer with my itunes library's motherboard is broken and i can't boot into apple OS |
| 02:47:42 | iRox | i guess i have nothing to lose by reformatting it |
| 02:48:16 | hcs | the library is stored on the iPod as well |
| 02:48:32 | iRox | but the state my rockbox is in it can't play any files |
| 02:49:03 | Kalthare | Wait.. before you reformat it.. |
| 02:49:27 | Kalthare | Do you just want your Apple firmware back, for now? |
| 02:49:27 | iRox | yes? |
| 02:49:41 | iRox | if there is a possible way |
| 02:49:57 | Kalthare | Sure. Gimme a sec.. |
| 02:50:00 | iRox | i would rather deal with rockbox this weekend, and use my ipod tommorow |
| 02:50:01 | iRox | thanks |
| 02:50:05 | linuxstb | Did you keep the bootpartition.bin file you created when installing Rockbox? |
| 02:50:19 | iRox | yup] |
| 02:50:34 | Kalthare | Oh, in that case, just write that back to partition 1 |
| 02:50:39 | linuxstb | Then just write that back to your ipod - using the same command you used to write rockboot.bin |
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| 02:51:26 | iRox | ok |
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| 02:51:42 | iRox | just out of curiousity, how long did it take you guys to install (using linux) |
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| 02:53:02 | godzirra | ~15 minutes? |
| 02:53:38 | iRox | really? |
| 02:54:01 | godzirra | sure, its not lengthy... |
| 02:54:03 | godzirra | just complicated. |
| 02:54:23 | iRox | does it inolve compiling? |
| 02:54:29 | preglow | hah! |
| 02:54:33 | preglow | i've got simulator sound again! |
| 02:54:35 | * | preglow hugs tomal |
| 02:54:36 | godzirra | not much |
| 02:55:00 | iRox | ah cuz then you could just send me the compiled files |
| 02:55:01 | JdGordon | 15min?? |
| 02:55:08 | iRox | it made installation on windows MUCH easier |
| 02:55:28 | JdGordon | ive done an ipod install on both windows and linux and they take 3min |
| 02:55:49 | godzirra | JdGordon: I'm talkng about the mbr hex editing install :) |
| 02:55:55 | iRox | on the old 5g i remember u just ran the loade 2.4 installer and copied the files to the root of the ipod |
| 02:55:56 | * | JdGordon runs away again |
| 02:55:58 | iRox | those were the good old days |
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| 02:56:08 | godzirra | on my old iriver we're talking < 5 minutes. |
| 02:56:17 | iRox | and it seemed unbelievebly easy compared to installing linux |
| 02:56:46 | Kalthare | This is a hack that just happens to work. I'm still working on the actual fix. |
| 02:57:23 | iRox | well i could see apple in the future trying to really block ipodlinux and rockbox |
| 02:57:37 | iRox | i just played bejeweled without paying $5 for their crappy version |
| 02:57:40 | psiborg | what reason do they have? |
| 02:58:06 | iRox | the main reason i like rockbox is for the WPS |
| 02:58:13 | iRox | jclix looks so nice |
| 02:58:34 | JdGordon | typical ipod user then :D |
| 02:58:42 | iRox | lol |
| 02:59:17 | iRox | i think its kinda cool having your mp3 player match your computer (WMP 11 wps) |
| 02:59:29 | iRox | yay i restored my ipod |
| 02:59:41 | iRox | i almost feel like im getting the hang of this |
| 02:59:43 | iRox | lol jk |
| 03:00 |
| 03:01:31 | iRox | well this weekend if someone can help me with the MBR i'd be happy to help write up a tutorial |
| 03:01:36 | iRox | im out for now c ya |
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| 03:06:37 | godzirra | Kalthare: if you have a second, I'm not entirely clear on the first step of the mbr editing... |
| 03:06:41 | godzirra | If you dont haev a sec, its cool too :) |
| 03:07:02 | Kalthare | godzirra: What's the trouble? |
| 03:07:21 | godzirra | "First I copied the second entry over the third one"... |
| 03:07:45 | godzirra | I'm not sure entirely what that means... :) |
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| 03:07:53 | Kalthare | Yeah, the sixteen bytes that're highlighted? They're copied from the previous sixteen bytes. |
| 03:07:59 | godzirra | Ahh |
| 03:09:15 | rushfan | Good god. They have a 10 megapixel camera phone |
| 03:09:19 | godzirra | then change the listed ytes to FE FF FF ? |
| 03:09:23 | rushfan | err, wrong cahn sry |
| 03:09:24 | godzirra | for the second step? |
| 03:13:10 | Kalthare | godzirra: If that's what it is on my example, yeah. Ought to work, at least. |
| 03:13:44 | godzirra | Just makign sure I dont screw up like I did last time :0 |
| 03:15:05 | Kalthare | Sorry for not checking myself. I'm hacking. |
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| 03:16:38 | godzirra | Nope, nto at all. |
| 03:16:45 | godzirra | just awnted to verify that was not specific to the 30 vs 80 |
| 03:18:38 | Kalthare | Well, my MBR seemed to have a different tuple, but I tried it with that one and it still worked. Rockbox, again, doesn't seem to care, and Linux will hate the entry either way. |
| 03:19:13 | godzirra | touche |
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| 03:37:52 | godzirra | hrm. |
| 03:37:56 | godzirra | I need a hex calculator. ;p for linux |
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| 03:42:36 | linuxstb | godzirra: There's probably something better, but you could just use Perl - e.g. perl -e 'printf("%x\n",0x100+0x400);' |
| 03:44:07 | godzirra | Oh. I supposed I could do that. |
| 03:44:14 | godzirra | I couldnt remember the printf syntax though :) |
| 03:45:37 | * | linuxstb uses his ever-lasting TI-52 - 20 years old and still on the first battery... |
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| 03:47:14 | Joely | can i help with something? i'm so bored.... |
| 03:47:38 | Joely | no one wants to play outside with me....so i'm forced to just sit here |
| 03:47:57 | linuxstb | Joely: One or two things need to be done: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
| 03:48:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:48:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | "One or two" (hundred) |
| 03:48:53 | linuxstb | Only 150 at the moment... |
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| 03:49:58 | Joely | grr what if i don't have an ipod or iriver? |
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| 03:50:03 | Joely | or archos? |
| 03:50:16 | linuxstb | What do you have? |
| 03:50:23 | Joely | sansa e250 |
| 03:51:05 | Joely | i can do busy work too....like making packages! |
| 03:51:07 | Joely | haha |
| 03:51:11 | Joely | YAY COMPILING |
| 03:51:14 | linuxstb | You could make the Sansa UI simulator work. |
| 03:51:27 | linuxstb | Bagder has written scripts to take care of all that... |
| 03:51:36 | linuxstb | (the compiling) |
| 03:52:03 | Joely | ah ok |
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| 03:52:54 | linuxstb | Just create a build directory, run ../tools/configure, select the Sansa, then S for simulator, then S for SDL, then type make and start fixing the errors... |
| 03:53:12 | Joely | ohhhh fun i love doing those types of things |
| 03:53:13 | Joely | hehe |
| 03:55:07 | godzirra | So is there anything we can do if we don't know C very well? |
| 03:55:08 | godzirra | to help? |
| 03:55:47 | linuxstb | Learn C... |
| 03:55:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:55:57 | godzirra | lol |
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| 03:57:14 | godzirra | Hrm |
| 03:57:29 | godzirra | is 0x43BC0000 * 4 really ffffffff? |
| 03:57:56 | Kalthare | godzirra: Do you have gcalctool? |
| 03:58:09 | godzirra | nope, but I will in a minute. |
| 03:58:10 | godzirra | thanks |
| 03:58:18 | Kalthare | Wait.. where did you get 0x43BC0000? |
| 03:58:36 | godzirra | oops |
| 03:58:37 | godzirra | didnt reverse them |
| 03:58:41 | godzirra | Its BC43 |
| 03:59:01 | godzirra | the secnd to last tstep |
| 03:59:14 | Kalthare | ahh |
| 03:59:20 | godzirra | LBA of the start od rhw partition |
| 03:59:40 | linuxstb | Kalthare: Could you just make your hacked MBR available for people to use? |
| 03:59:41 | godzirra | *of the |
| 03:59:51 | godzirra | lol |
| 03:59:55 | godzirra | that'd probably be easier. |
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| 04:00:16 | Kalthare | I could, but it'd really disrupt my workflow right now. Can you wait until later? |
| 04:02:47 | godzirra | I'm in no hurry. |
| 04:02:56 | godzirra | i have no fear of breaking things. If I break it, I'll restore it later :) |
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| 04:13:42 | godzirra | uhhh |
| 04:14:05 | godzirra | when I plugin myipod now, have a battery with a bit of it blacked uot and a lightning bolt running trhrough the blacked out part. |
| 04:14:09 | godzirra | I can't reboot it it seems. |
| 04:15:07 | Kalthare | sounds like your battery ran out |
| 04:15:22 | godzirra | weird. |
| 04:15:30 | godzirra | I guess putiting it into disk mode doesnt autoshut off |
| 04:15:56 | godzirra | Kalthare: when I tried to turn it on at the datacenter today it wouldnt boot up (from the problem with the newly patched rockbox) |
| 04:16:01 | godzirra | so I had to reboot it into disk mode |
| 04:16:04 | godzirra | and I assumed it would autopower off |
| 04:16:08 | godzirra | i'm guessing it didnt |
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| 04:16:44 | godzirra | ahh ther we go |
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| 04:20:41 | godzirra | crap. now my rockbox is in an endless reboot cycle where it wont go into disk mode. |
| 04:20:44 | godzirra | anything to do but restore it? |
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| 04:21:19 | Joely | hey...um stupid question do i absolutely positively need to have the sandisk firmware upgrader? or has an upgrade tool been written for the sansa already? |
| 04:22:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Don't you just put the MI4 and the bootloader file (.BL?) on the 'disk' in recovery mode, and it automatically upgrades/installs them? |
| 04:22:38 | Joely | well, i can't mount the partition when it's in recovery mode... |
| 04:22:41 | godzirra | Anyone know? ;) |
| 04:22:57 | Kalthare | godzirra: hold center and play buttons |
| 04:23:27 | godzirra | Thats what I did. |
| 04:23:31 | godzirra | doesnt boot into disk mode. |
| 04:23:38 | godzirra | it kept rebooting until the battery ran out. |
| 04:23:51 | Kalthare | nono, center and PLAY. |
| 04:24:33 | godzirra | yes, I know which buttons bboot into disk mode :) |
| 04:24:46 | Kalthare | rrgh. And it wouldn't do it? |
| 04:24:52 | godzirra | it says rockbox error: -1 |
| 04:24:55 | godzirra | loading original firmware.... |
| 04:24:58 | godzirra | nope |
| 04:25:00 | godzirra | keeps rebooting |
| 04:25:01 | godzirra | non stop |
| 04:25:06 | godzirra | whether i touch something or not |
| 04:25:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | godzirra: Did you try holding Menu+Select for the hard reboot, and THEN holding Select+Play? |
| 04:25:33 | Kalthare | rockbox's bootloader shouldn't even be involved, if you've got those buttons held down |
| 04:25:46 | godzirra | let me try that |
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| 04:26:26 | godzirra | Paul_the_Nerd: I dont think thats working. |
| 04:26:35 | godzirra | it still just keeps going apple screen -> rockbox bootloader -> reboot |
| 04:26:48 | godzirra | uhh |
| 04:26:50 | godzirra | nevermind. |
| 04:26:55 | godzirra | please ignore me and go back to what yuo were doing. |
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| 04:27:34 | Kalthare | what went wrong? |
| 04:27:46 | * | godzirra looks sheepish |
| 04:27:49 | godzirra | Uhh.. I had the lock turned on. |
| 04:28:17 | Kalthare | I was gonna suggest that.. |
| 04:28:27 | godzirra | sorry.. hehe |
| 04:28:37 | godzirra | I'm not sure what I did wrong. i'm guessing I did hexedit something wrong. |
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| 04:30:03 | Joely | heh, so anyone know how i'm supposed to mount this disk in recovery mode? |
| 04:30:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | Joely: I'm on Windows, and I just plug it in, and it shows up as a ~16mb (or was it 20mb) disk. |
| 04:32:07 | godzirra | oh well. Anyone got it running on their 30g that can send me the hex edited mbr? |
| 04:33:37 | Kalthare | godzirra: show me your original and modified entries |
| 04:34:00 | godzirra | Want me to paste them somewhere or dcc? |
| 04:34:16 | godzirra | Kalthare: and if you're busy, I can do it later. THere's no rush :) |
| 04:34:41 | Kalthare | Just msg it to me. I dunno if dcc will work through my firewall. |
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| 04:35:29 | Joely | Paul_the_Nerd, ohhh i finally see it...but it doesn't have a file system...is it supposed to? |
| 04:37:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Joely: Mine shows up as a 15.2mb FAT-formatted volume |
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| 04:38:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Joely: By recovery mode, you're turning on the Hold switch, holding record, and pressing the power button, right? |
| 04:38:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Starting with a shut down player |
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| 04:39:46 | Joely | yeah |
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| 04:40:10 | Joely | OHHH stupid os x! it doesn't have fat12 support or something i guess....i think i need to install os 9 drivers |
| 04:40:13 | Joely | hahaha |
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| 04:42:21 | Kalthare | godzirra? If you sent me something, I didn't get it. |
| 04:42:28 | godzirra | crap |
| 04:42:29 | godzirra | thanks |
| 04:43:04 | * | Paul_the_Nerd suggests Pastebin |
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| 04:43:54 | godzirra | Probably easier. |
| 04:44:49 | godzirra | Kalthare: you get that? |
| 04:45:42 | Kalthare | Yeah, I got it. |
| 04:45:57 | godzirra | k |
| 04:47:42 | Kalthare | Looks fine to me. You reformatted the partition, right? |
| 04:49:20 | godzirra | yup |
| 04:49:25 | godzirra | mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdb2 |
| 04:49:52 | godzirra | I didnt put rockbox on there yet because mcopy gave me an error |
| 04:50:02 | godzirra | so I thought I might have to reboot (dont ask me why I thought that) |
| 04:50:25 | Kalthare | Um, that would be why it wouldn't start, then, yes? What was the error? |
| 04:50:42 | godzirra | one second. |
| 04:51:17 | godzirra | Total number of sectors not a multiple of sectors per track! |
| 04:51:17 | godzirra | Add mtools_skip_check=1 to your .mtoolsrc file to skip this test |
| 04:51:25 | godzirra | I didnt get that the first time I did this |
| 04:52:18 | Kalthare | That's so weird. I don't know why it's doing that. Go ahead and add the line, I guess. |
| 04:55:13 | godzirra | weird |
| 04:55:14 | godzirra | that works. |
| 04:55:25 | godzirra | no idea why it gives that error this time |
| 04:55:30 | godzirra | it didnt last time |
| 04:55:36 | godzirra | but last time I did do it w wrong so maybe thats why :) |
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| 04:59:08 | Kalthare | Yeah, you've got a different partition size now |
| 04:59:20 | * | godzirra nods |
| 04:59:33 | godzirra | oh well. Again, if there's anything I can do to help out, let me know. |
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| 05:01:10 | Kalthare | Put your MBR up somewhere. :) |
| 05:01:25 | godzirra | Sure thing :) |
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| 05:06:39 | godzirra | Kalthare: http://www.jomamma.com/ |
| 05:06:43 | godzirra | its linked on the front page |
| 05:06:53 | godzirra | Feel free to direct people to it :) |
| 05:08:32 | Kalthare | Maybe you should post the link on the forum? :) |
| 05:09:05 | godzirra | I guess if you want to do everything the easy way... |
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| 05:10:37 | godzirra | done |
| 05:12:06 | Kalthare | cool. |
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| 05:16:04 | godzirra | mtools copying is so much slower than normal :) |
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| 05:26:26 | Joely | hmmm ok |
| 05:26:33 | Joely | i got it to transfer.... |
| 05:26:43 | Joely | now, is the player supposed to just blink? |
| 05:26:45 | Joely | haha |
| 05:26:47 | Joely | uh oh... |
| 05:26:56 | BHSPitMonkey | *boom!* |
| 05:27:29 | myzar | zomg. |
| 05:27:43 | myzar | i KNOW somebody figured SOMETHING out about the new 80s |
| 05:31:28 | Joely | ahhh please somebody tell me the bootloader for the sansa is just supposed to make the lights flash!!! |
| 05:32:47 | Joely | OH PHEW! |
| 05:32:48 | Joely | it is |
| 05:32:51 | Joely | just read the source |
| 05:32:57 | Joely | i love you Bagder |
| 05:33:00 | Joely | :) |
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| 05:36:35 | myzar | NO |
| 05:36:39 | myzar | Bagder is mine! |
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| 05:54:48 | Kalthare | ...I think I'm defeated again. |
| 05:55:56 | godzirra | Nooooooooo! |
| 05:57:58 | Kalthare | I can't remotely fathom why it's crashing here. |
| 05:58:21 | godzirra | suck :/ |
| 05:58:30 | Kalthare | I guess there are a few more wild shots into the dark I could make. |
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| 06:22:20 | myzar | i still heart you |
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| 06:47:04 | sneakums | impressive |
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| 07:32:36 | Joely | all is quiet.... |
| 07:32:44 | hcs | ...too quiet |
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| 08:05:19 | Coldtoast | afternoon |
| 08:05:43 | Coldtoast | anybody use the albumart patch with the very latest cvs here? |
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| 08:21:11 | daurnimator | i don't |
| 08:21:17 | daurnimator | i don't even use rockbox! |
| 08:21:38 | Coldtoast | ok.... |
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| 08:52:03 | manos | Hi everyone! I'm using nano with rockbox for a couple of time and it really works great! Now, i wanna have a go and buy the ipod video but i was wondering if rockbox can use ipod's video ability to play videos.. is that possible? thnx |
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| 08:52:39 | Bagder | manos: no it can't (yet) |
| 08:52:48 | Kalthare | manos: No, and it also doesn't work well at all on the new models of the Video. |
| 08:53:00 | manos | :( |
| 08:53:28 | manos | ok thnx anyway :) |
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| 09:13:00 | webguest92 | Hi. Yesterday I had the following (H120, all files are MP3): after one track played to the end the next started, played 2 or 3 secs and then started again from the beginning. And then played through. Latest build. Any ideas? |
| 09:13:57 | LinusN | sounds odd |
| 09:14:05 | LinusN | but likely :-) |
| 09:14:58 | webguest92 | Is there a known issue? |
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| 09:18:58 | LinusN | webguest92: no, i don't remember anything similar to what you describe |
| 09:19:47 | voltagex | LinusN: ok, how about instant crash on playing an MP4 file? |
| 09:20:14 | LinusN | lovely |
| 09:20:30 | LinusN | give the file to Magnus (Lear) |
| 09:21:17 | webguest92 | LinusN: Ok, if I can reproduce the problem I'll file a bug report. Otherwise forget it :-) |
| 09:21:22 | hcs | I don't know anything about the hardware, what are the odds that my NSF player will work on an Archos FM Recorder? |
| 09:21:27 | LinusN | webguest92: goodie |
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| 09:21:37 | LinusN | hcs: not a chance |
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| 09:21:42 | hcs | ah, ok |
| 09:21:53 | LinusN | hcs: or rather, not until we have the wav decoder |
| 09:22:21 | LinusN | but i suspect the archos is way too slow to play nsf in realtime anyway |
| 09:22:32 | scorche | as in a non viewer decoder? |
| 09:22:33 | LinusN | 12mhz |
| 09:22:38 | hcs | eek |
| 09:22:49 | hcs | ok, I'll just tell the guy to forget it |
| 09:22:50 | webguest10 | LinusN: I've updated pitch patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6145). Now there's no floating point math at all. |
| 09:23:25 | LinusN | webguest10: saw that, great |
| 09:23:25 | webguest10 | "Pitch patch" He-he, nice word |
| 09:23:26 | voltagex | LinusN: how do I get the MP4 file to (Lear?) |
| 09:23:53 | LinusN | voltagex: file a bug report to begin with |
| 09:24:23 | voltagex | it's ~200kb, I could attach it |
| 09:24:31 | LinusN | good |
| 09:24:55 | voltagex | hang on, my CVS is a few days old, I'll update, test again then proceed |
| 09:25:26 | webguest10 | LinusN: you must have much to do! Everybody refers to you! :-) |
| 09:25:37 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:26:10 | webguest10 | LinusN: so I'll make your life easier and quit. |
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| 09:26:16 | LinusN | lol |
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| 09:27:23 | LinusN | logf() to the serial port is quite handy |
| 09:28:00 | voltagex | crap, not 200kb, 400kb |
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| 09:32:22 | amiconn | LinusN: I have 2 questions regarding serial logf(): |
| 09:32:28 | LinusN | shoot |
| 09:32:36 | amiconn | (1) Why H1x0 only instead of all coldfires? |
| 09:32:52 | amiconn | (2) Why didn't you put it in target tree? |
| 09:33:07 | LinusN | (1) because i didn't feel like testing it on the other platforms |
| 09:33:19 | LinusN | (2) because it was a quick hack that suited my needs |
| 09:33:58 | Bagder | naughty naughty |
| 09:34:00 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:34:08 | LinusN | i can move it to the target tree right away, but then i would have to extend it to support both serial ports |
| 09:34:41 | LinusN | in coldfire/uart.c i guess |
| 09:35:04 | amiconn | q2 was because I am thinking about moving the sh serial driver to target tree as well |
| 09:35:05 | LinusN | or maybe coldfire/uart-cf.c or something |
| 09:35:13 | amiconn | (and disabling it for fm/v2) |
| 09:35:45 | amiconn | (for non-debug builds I mean) |
| 09:35:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:35:55 | LinusN | ah yes |
| 09:37:55 | amiconn | Grr, some recent change literally _eats_ buffer |
| 09:38:10 | amiconn | (via buffer_alloc(), as the .map looks okay) |
| 09:38:27 | pondlife | Hmm, I think I spotted a rare playback memory corruption possibility.. |
| 09:38:28 | amiconn | I lost ~130KB of buffer by updating |
| 09:38:38 | Bagder | whoa |
| 09:38:44 | amiconn | ...from 2006-10-10 to today |
| 09:39:06 | JdGordon | it wasnt me... |
| 09:39:08 | JdGordon | i didnt do it! |
| 09:39:09 | pondlife | That can't be intentional. |
| 09:41:23 | pondlife | The following code:- if (buf_ridx >= filebuflen) buf_ridx -= filebuflen; |
| 09:41:24 | Bagder | is there any logf()s for the buffer_alloc() calls? then it could be pretty easy to track |
| 09:41:47 | pondlife | Ignore me... |
| 09:46:46 | pondlife | LinusN: Don't suppose the serial logf is any use for the bootloader - maybe debugging the USB mode failure? |
| 09:47:10 | * | pondlife hopes that LinusN has had an idea regarding that |
| 09:47:12 | LinusN | could be |
| 09:47:45 | pondlife | Well, any tests I can help with (that don't require hardware mods) - send 'em over! |
| 09:47:58 | LinusN | sure |
| 09:48:48 | * | JdGordon seconds that... the not connecting to usb is annooying as all hell |
| 09:49:28 | pondlife | It never ever worked here yet, so I think I'm in a good position to help :) |
| 09:50:32 | JdGordon | have a good weekend all, me back monday |
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| 09:51:19 | LinusN | pondlife: i see odd behaviour in my h300 bootloader as well |
| 09:51:32 | pondlife | Ah, I thought it always worked for you? |
| 09:51:39 | LinusN | the drive is reset/restarted when it spins up |
| 09:51:46 | LinusN | but it always connects properly |
| 09:52:14 | pondlife | I always get a drive clonk when I connect/disconnect USB in Rockbox (full) |
| 09:52:37 | pondlife | Maybe I should try the OF and compare... |
| 09:53:29 | petur | LinusN: same here |
| 09:54:01 | petur | and when detaching from my DELL monitor hub, 50% chance it stays in the USB screen |
| 09:55:30 | pondlife | No matter which PC/port I use, mine goes into bootloader USB mode, spins up the disk and doesn't allow a connection |
| 09:57:00 | pondlife | Bootloader 5 is the latest, yes? |
| 09:57:23 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:57:41 | LinusN | i have worked quite a lot to debug this usb issue, but so far no clue |
| 09:58:40 | pondlife | The normal Rockbox USB works fine. Is there something more we need to init in the bootloader? Nothing new discovered along with the USBOTG/power fix? |
| 09:59:47 | petur | pondlife: in the OF, try changing the hub powered setting |
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| 10:00:05 | pondlife | Yep, tried that |
| 10:00:30 | pondlife | IIRC there are 2x2 options for USB - tried all 4 |
| 10:01:24 | pondlife | Haven't been into the OF options in a long time though, maybe I missed one? |
| 10:01:25 | petur | mine will always connect, but in RockBox itself it will only do so once (maybe twice - not sure). So after disconnect I must rolo if I want to connect again |
| 10:02:17 | pondlife | Mine always works reliably for USB, but sometimes fails to detect an updated rockbox.iriver (i.e. doesn't prompt for rolo) |
| 10:02:25 | Slasheri | pondlife: that is a known bug on h1xx also |
| 10:02:30 | pondlife | I assume that's a higher level issue |
| 10:02:35 | Slasheri | petur i meant |
| 10:03:21 | pondlife | Is it still the case? I fixed a USB-related bug in playback.c a few weeks back |
| 10:03:48 | voltagex | wtf? the USB graphic is a different colour to the background now |
| 10:04:17 | petur | pondlife: not sure, must try again at home (got into the rolo routine :) ) |
| 10:04:41 | pondlife | How do I get into the menus on the H300 OF again? |
| 10:04:51 | voltagex | navi |
| 10:05:00 | pondlife | Hold it? |
| 10:05:11 | voltagex | yeah |
| 10:05:12 | petur | voltagex: yes, changed since the usb logo is now an external bitmap ( *looks at linuxstb* ) |
| 10:05:20 | pondlife | sorry still waiting for it to boot! |
| 10:05:32 | petur | hahaha |
| 10:06:14 | pondlife | Wow - USB Conn mode was not in either Desktop or Hub! It was in a "tickbox" above the option window... Corrupt-y |
| 10:06:15 | petur | I did so yesterday to see if OF settings still got screwed up (they didn't) and the long wait annoyed the hell out of me |
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| 10:06:37 | petur | woops, they did on yours |
| 10:06:40 | voltagex | pondlife: same here, with the corruptness |
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| 10:06:48 | pondlife | And moving up/down draws lots more tickboxes! |
| 10:07:03 | petur | fun, isn't it |
| 10:07:10 | voltagex | ooooooh bootloader usb works for me if I use the "Hub" option in the OF |
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| 10:07:20 | pondlife | I'll try that again... |
| 10:07:27 | pondlife | What about USB charging? |
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| 10:08:41 | voltagex | pondlife: usb charging has never worked for me in Rockbox |
| 10:08:55 | pondlife | I mean the OF setting |
| 10:09:10 | voltagex | pondlife: I just realised that, checking ;) |
| 10:10:08 | voltagex | nope |
| 10:10:31 | pondlife | Same here, but USB bootloader.not working |
| 10:11:21 | petur | btw, I started with the philips usbotg driver port yesterday evening. I also mailed the guys who wrote it to verify the license. They don't think it's a problem to GPL it but will double-check. They also sent me a newer version of their code (which isn't on the website) |
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| 10:11:39 | Bagder | cool |
| 10:11:42 | voltagex | pondlife: I think the usb charging is meant to work on "Hub" |
| 10:12:04 | voltagex | pondlife: that says to me "Desktop USB" vs Unpowered "Hub" |
| 10:12:45 | petur | voltagex: I don't think it should charge if it's set to 'unpowered hub' ;) |
| 10:13:05 | pondlife | I just wondered which OF settings you were using, seeing as your bootloader USB is working. I don't think it's relevant though - mine refuses to connect anyway. |
| 10:13:12 | voltagex | petur: the option only says Hub, that's what I'm guessing it to mean |
| 10:13:21 | petur | oh |
| 10:13:27 | voltagex | pondlife: no, I've had problems with the bootloader USB too |
| 10:13:59 | pondlife | Seems to be intermittent for some people, but never ever connected for me. Maybe there are multiple problems here. Joy. |
| 10:14:37 | voltagex | pondlife: verified, USB bootloader doesn't work for me if the OF is set to "Desktop" |
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| 10:15:50 | petur | mine is set: charge = ON, usb = DESKTOP (which is default I think). But I never have had problems connecting... |
| 10:16:31 | pondlife | I've retried all 4 combinations and none work |
| 10:16:58 | voltagex | pondlife: I wouldn't have a clue how to debug this |
| 10:17:15 | * | petur should look more to his other monitor, where the paid work is on... |
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| 10:17:42 | pondlife | Stoopid question - I assume I'm meant to be using the USB 2.0 port, not the USBOTG one...!! |
| 10:17:54 | petur | indeed |
| 10:18:06 | pondlife | just checking |
| 10:19:12 | voltagex | I'm waiting for the day when I can connect my wifi stick to the USBOTG and stream MP3s ;) |
| 10:20:41 | petur | we'll need loadable class drivers for that, much like we have codecs loaded |
| 10:21:00 | petur | and the philips code doesn't include a wifi class driver :p |
| 10:21:16 | petur | it does include a HID one :D |
| 10:21:20 | aliask | all the more fun to code hey petur |
| 10:21:25 | Bagder | yay, keyboard! |
| 10:21:27 | Bagder | ;-P |
| 10:21:41 | pondlife | Bye bye Virtual Keyboard \o/ |
| 10:21:41 | Bagder | or perhaps a mouse would be the ultimate silly thing |
| 10:21:51 | petur | lol |
| 10:21:51 | pondlife | Need a pointer first |
| 10:21:51 | aliask | Joystick for doom |
| 10:22:06 | LinusN | a gamepad |
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| 10:22:23 | LinusN | a scanner for album art |
| 10:22:36 | LinusN | a tv receiver |
| 10:22:48 | aliask | usb based lcd |
| 10:22:51 | LinusN | haha |
| 10:23:28 | LinusN | a logic analyzer for debugging the usb port...hmmm...maybe not ;-) |
| 10:26:30 | pondlife | Bluetooth control would be useful |
| 10:26:47 | pondlife | Even if it's just play/skip |
| 10:26:54 | voltagex | how about mounting and using other USB mass storage? |
| 10:27:07 | aliask | I can't remember who it was, but I think someone actually thought of an internal H300 bluetooth mod. |
| 10:27:14 | pondlife | ! |
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| 10:27:35 | aliask | Designed, but never implemented. |
| 10:27:41 | pondlife | "I found the hardware was there (ready for the H500 series), but there was a link missing" |
| 10:27:47 | pondlife | :) |
| 10:28:17 | aliask | Wouldn't it be nice. |
| 10:28:27 | aliask | Solder a small bridge and presto :D |
| 10:29:48 | voltagex | there's (is going to be?) H500? |
| 10:30:10 | aliask | Who knows? |
| 10:30:21 | voltagex | I'd love if iRiver resuscitated the Hx00 series |
| 10:30:54 | daurn|afk | why did they remove them? |
| 10:30:56 | aliask | I think iriver have moved into a mainly flash based market, becuase that's what is in demand in Korea. |
| 10:31:11 | aliask | (South Korea) |
| 10:31:29 | aliask | I don't know their DAPs of choice up north... |
| 10:33:04 | voltagex | :( |
| 10:33:05 | daurn|afk | i want a 80mb mp3 player that isn't an ipod |
| 10:33:10 | daurn|afk | *gb |
| 10:33:30 | aliask | Archos might be your only other option I think. |
| 10:33:51 | aliask | And they're not cheap. |
| 10:33:52 | voltagex | I saw one that allowed use of laptop hard drives |
| 10:33:56 | voltagex | anyway, I gtg |
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| 10:34:13 | petur | the type number of the disk inside the 80GB ipods is nowhere to be found on the Toshiba site |
| 10:34:40 | petur | I can only find a reference to it on some site talking about a super-slim Sony Vaio notebook |
| 10:35:04 | aliask | I dislike all this company secrecy stuff... |
| 10:35:20 | petur | 'MK8010GAH' I think it was |
| 10:35:42 | * | petur wants an h380 :D |
| 10:36:03 | petur | it will be as late as the new airbus it seems |
| 10:36:32 | aliask | I think there is quite a void for high end MP3 players. |
| 10:37:19 | petur | indeed |
| 10:37:31 | aliask | According to the register, it's a MK8007GAH |
| 10:38:09 | petur | hmmmm.. I wonder where I read about that 8010 number |
| 10:38:13 | aliask | Which is listed on the toshiba website. |
| 10:39:12 | petur | one of those guys trying to get RB on the 5.5 ipods dumped some info which included the 8010 number I think |
| 10:40:03 | petur | I can even find references to MK8009GAH |
| 10:41:33 | daurn|afk | aliask: i also want it pocketable |
| 10:41:54 | aliask | Do you consider the H300 pocketable? |
| 10:41:56 | daurn|afk | petur: but i have nothing to put the drive in |
| 10:42:06 | daurn|afk | aliask: yes |
| 10:42:12 | daurn|afk | [18:33:39] <aliask> Archos might be your only other option I think. |
| 10:42:12 | daurn|afk | [18:34:00] <aliask> And they're not cheap. |
| 10:42:24 | daurn|afk | archos's players these days are huge |
| 10:42:34 | aliask | I'm just checking how big is too big so I can take a poke around |
| 10:42:57 | petur | http://www.ipodmods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1716_iPod_Video2G_Hard_Drive_Disk_MK8010GAH&Category_Code= |
| 10:43:06 | daurn|afk | say ipod size - up to3 times the thickness, and 1cm on each of width/height |
| 10:44:04 | daurn|afk | petur: wow... $240 |
| 10:44:06 | aliask | $300AU for a harddrive... |
| 10:44:20 | daurn|afk | then $40 forshipping |
| 10:44:28 | daurn|afk | then a device toput it in |
| 10:44:32 | daurn|afk | thats too much :S |
| 10:44:36 | aliask | Buy one with a broken HDD |
| 10:44:42 | petur | daurn|afk: but I don't beleive they're actually available |
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| 10:48:26 | daurn|afk | can you put an old hdd in an ipod? |
| 10:48:42 | daurn|afk | (a MK2006GAL in a 5.5gen) |
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| 10:49:48 | petur | they'll need to be the same thickness to start with |
| 10:49:48 | aliask | I would say probably, if it's formatted correctly. |
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| 10:50:23 | daurn|afk | petur: thickness shouldn't matter |
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| 10:50:42 | daurn|afk | (note: i think this is the same hdd in 3rd gen 20gb model) |
| 10:50:56 | aliask | It will, it's a pretty tight fit inside those players. |
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| 10:52:14 | daurn|afk | aliask: any chance you want a 20gb 5.5gen ipod? |
| 10:52:15 | daurn|afk | ;) |
| 10:52:37 | aliask | I wouldn't turn it down if someone offered me one for free. |
| 10:52:40 | aliask | :) |
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| 10:52:49 | daurnimator | heh |
| 10:52:53 | daurnimator | free... no |
| 10:53:10 | aliask | boo |
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| 10:54:01 | daurn|afk | new ipod (80): $350, 80gb hdd: $240, $100 for the rest of it o.o |
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| 10:54:42 | lamed | g'day everyone |
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| 10:55:31 | lamed | I'm _trying_ to understand makefiles... |
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| 10:59:20 | lamed | Looking at gnuchess, I see gnuchess.c #include "opening.h", but neither opening.h includes opening.c, not opening.c includes opening.h. the question is, how opening.c is included? - I figure, by the makefile, where it says SRC = chessbox.c gnuchess.c opening.c. why is it been done this way? isn't the #include purpose is to let the compiler know what to include? |
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| 11:00:06 | preglow | h files should never include c files, so small wonder |
| 11:00:16 | lamed | not = nor, been = being. |
| 11:00:42 | Bagder | .c files are compiled, .h files are included |
| 11:00:47 | preglow | #includes are for giving the compiler prototypes |
| 11:00:51 | preglow | not for letting it know what to link |
| 11:01:36 | lamed | so it's the makefile job to know the compiler what to link |
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| 11:01:56 | Bagder | the linker links, the compiler compiles |
| 11:02:08 | Bagder | and yes, the makefile tells them what to do |
| 11:02:19 | amiconn | LinusN, pondlife: I have observed the opposite behaviour regarding USB, both on H1x0/H300 and X5: Bootloader USB _always_ works for me (with the clonk on H300, and on X5 it's cowon USB of course), but in rockbox itself it sometimes simply doesn't connect |
| 11:04:15 | pondlife | Well, we have lots to fix then I guess. I wonder if the one-or-the-other is common? i.e. does the bootloader work reliably on some models, and Rockbox on others? |
| 11:04:27 | pondlife | That may indicate 2 different revs of USB hardware maybe |
| 11:05:02 | pondlife | Or is the USB code shared between bootloader and main core? |
| 11:06:26 | lamed | are RB's makefiles made with some script or totally manually? |
| 11:06:47 | pondlife | tools/configure makes makefiles |
| 11:07:54 | lamed | I mean makefiles that lie inside the source. |
| 11:08:04 | Bagder | they're made manually |
| 11:10:52 | amiconn | The reason for non-working USB in rockbox itself is most probably one thread (with an event queue) not acknowledging usb mode |
| 11:15:12 | lamed | can I simply jump to a specific makefile to spare the checking procedure of all the other parts? I.E, i'm building a simulator, and I want only /apps/plugins/SUBDIRS to be compiled (or just a part of it) |
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| 11:16:07 | Bagder | lamed: well, you can hack your makesfiles to do that |
| 11:16:22 | Bagder | on a linux box there should be little gain though |
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| 11:17:37 | petur | Bagder: don't laugh with us poor cygwin users ;) |
| 11:18:08 | lamed | bagder: vmware so that shouldn't be the problem, but I don't know what you are talking about |
| 11:18:54 | * | Bagder secretly puts the "I am a cygwin loooser" sticker on petur's back |
| 11:19:21 | petur | bleh |
| 11:19:52 | * | petur hugs his w2k devbox |
| 11:20:52 | lamed | bagder: little gain? |
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| 11:30:10 | * | amiconn wants the triple checking of bitmap building to be fixed :/ |
| 11:31:12 | amiconn | Core bitmaps are checked twice, plugin bitmaps are checked 3 times |
| 11:31:20 | pondlife | amiconn: Did you find out where your buffer went yet? |
| 11:31:51 | amiconn | No |
| 11:32:09 | amiconn | It can't be the playback engine, as I observed it on archos |
| 11:32:23 | pondlife | Just wondered. Not feeling guilty.. |
| 11:32:24 | amiconn | I suspect it has to do with tagcache |
| 11:32:34 | Bagder | I would assume so too |
| 11:32:46 | pondlife | I'm sure you won't forget about it either. ;) |
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| 11:35:57 | amiconn | Surely not. |
| 11:36:04 | amiconn | This gets annoying :/ |
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| 11:36:19 | daurn|laptop | yoyo |
| 11:36:29 | daurnimator | jaxx |
| 11:36:38 | * | petur guesses amiconn is thinking about a way to make tagcache optional in the build process :) |
| 11:36:44 | daurn|laptop | seamonkeys! |
| 11:36:46 | pondlife | hehe |
| 11:37:43 | pondlife | (that was to petur, of course) |
| 11:37:54 | amiconn | petur: Nope. But I would _really_ appreciate if devs keep an eye on resource usage |
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| 11:39:59 | pondlife | Ah, tagnavi... 32 byte strings up to 128 bytes... |
| 11:40:51 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/tagcache.h.diff?r1=1.24&r2=1.25 |
| 11:43:08 | petur | that's 1536 bytes? |
| 11:43:18 | pondlife | OK.. just a thought |
| 11:43:47 | pondlife | Nothing else is obvious. Does the USB logo make a difference? |
| 11:48:00 | pondlife | Or is it that tagcache needs re-initialising. I sometimes get all songs listed twice still. |
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| 11:49:03 | amiconn | That can't be the problem: (1) It's static storage. (2) it's 5*16*96 bytes |
| 11:49:57 | dan_a | amiconn (or anyone else): Are there any documents you can recomment on best practice when it comes to keeping resource usage down in C? |
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| 12:03:28 | amiconn | It looks like the tagcache string length increase _is_ the problem |
| 12:04:39 | amiconn | Loading tagnavi.config buffer_alloc()s a bunch of struct search_instruction blocks, which in turn contain struct tagcache_search_clause clause[MAX_TAGS][TAGCACHE_MAX_CLAUSES] elements |
| 12:04:58 | pondlife | Told you so :p |
| 12:05:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: Please try to reduce the huge RAM hogging of tagmenu |
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| 12:05:45 | webguest20 | What storage classes result in larger modules? Static? Locals vars are allocated on stack, right? |
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| 12:08:01 | petur | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/13/code_outrage/ |
| 12:08:16 | petur | ^^ makes my day :) |
| 12:08:59 | daurn|laptop | heh |
| 12:09:06 | daurn|laptop | gotta love this internet thing |
| 12:09:20 | daurn|laptop | i can track myself for the last 6 years fromirc logs |
| 12:09:34 | * | petur thinks of some nice comments to nest in the rockbox code :) |
| 12:10:01 | preglow | daurn|laptop: still on that, are you? |
| 12:10:38 | * | preglow starts passing around the "stop worrying" cookies |
| 12:11:42 | * | daurn|laptop has a cookie |
| 12:11:48 | * | daurn|laptop feels better |
| 12:11:55 | * | petur gets hungry |
| 12:12:07 | petur | and thirsty :) |
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| 12:13:01 | * | preglow has beers lined up for tonight |
| 12:13:19 | preglow | even a couple of belgians |
| 12:13:30 | petur | \o/ |
| 12:13:59 | sneakums | The user is *always* a wanker. |
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| 12:14:27 | preglow | statistics suggest it's likely |
| 12:17:25 | scorche | there are quite a few other goodies to be found in google's code search...i wasted at least an hour messing around =) |
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| 12:28:38 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, i will add more dynamic allocation to the menu generation soon |
| 12:32:37 | preglow | amiconn: tomal's alsa fix fixed my linux troubles, so it turned out the sound problems was rockbox' fault after all |
| 12:32:49 | preglow | the sim sound problems, that is |
| 12:33:44 | Bagder | yeah, clearly. pity to do that fix though imho |
| 12:34:06 | Bagder | it'll make it easier to do mistakes when you write code and test it in the sim |
| 12:34:31 | preglow | well, are there any other ways to fix it? |
| 12:34:56 | preglow | making alsa see libc before it sees us, probably |
| 12:35:13 | preglow | we don't want external libs to see rockbox' libs replacements anyway |
| 12:35:15 | preglow | that's pretty nasty |
| 12:35:21 | Bagder | yeah |
| 12:35:22 | preglow | s/libs/libc/ |
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| 12:37:08 | preglow | pity or no, now i can code sound stuff without having to go target all the time, which outweighs snprintf bugs any day for me |
| 12:37:33 | preglow | perhaps i can finally see about fixing the clicky resampler now |
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| 12:42:25 | preglow | what's the current status on choice of m68k compiler, btw? |
| 12:43:39 | Bagder | 3.4 |
| 12:43:46 | preglow | arm? |
| 12:44:03 | Bagder | 4.0.3 for both sh and arm |
| 12:44:13 | preglow | any reasons for not using 4.1? |
| 12:44:33 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 12:44:58 | lostsoul | Bagder: any newrockbox ports around? |
| 12:45:00 | preglow | gcc 4.3 is probably going to contain some coldfire enhancements |
| 12:45:46 | Bagder | lostsoul: there are a few in progress at least |
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| 12:46:37 | lostsoul | arg |
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| 12:50:29 | sneakums | daurn|laptop: looks like your client reconnected before the server had lost your previous connection, so your nick was still in use from its POV |
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| 12:52:33 | preglow | Bagder: there's a new binutils too, why don't we use that? |
| 12:52:47 | Bagder | no reason really |
| 12:52:51 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:52:54 | preglow | no bugs i can think of anyway |
| 12:53:12 | Bagder | in other projects I reverted back to 2.16.1 |
| 12:53:12 | preglow | i think it'll be needed for the new 4.3, though, not that that merits any hurry |
| 12:53:20 | preglow | oh, why? |
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| 12:53:32 | Bagder | because of general messy cross-compile situations |
| 12:53:54 | Bagder | but that's more when you build with libc and stuff for linux builds |
| 12:54:01 | preglow | right |
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| 12:54:11 | Bagder | then there's like 6 different packages that need to work fine together |
| 12:54:36 | Bagder | and you never get it to work on the first attempt ;-/ |
| 12:54:45 | preglow | 'course not |
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| 12:54:54 | preglow | think i'll go ahead and try out this flashy rockboxdev.sh script here |
| 12:55:16 | Bagder | do that, it'll save you a few keystrokes |
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| 12:56:22 | preglow | yeah, and whenever i start jabbering about version numbers again, remind me not to care a couple of times |
| 12:56:28 | preglow | not until gcc 4.3 anyway, heh |
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| 13:00:58 | webguest20 | What about the screens idea discussed some time ago? Even a little patch was poste IIRC. But there seems to be no activity, right? |
| 13:01:35 | preglow | screens idea? |
| 13:01:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's a very vague statement without some clarification. |
| 13:02:24 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: i think lear tried to make aac playback less unreliable in the regard of encoder pickiness yesterday |
| 13:03:11 | webguest20 | I mean that WPS and file browser and radio and ... are all "at the same level" |
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| 13:03:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: Less unreliable is good. But it's still useful to know if it's dying on an iTunes one, or other-encoder one. :) |
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| 13:04:34 | * | scorche takes a bit to think about "less unreliable" |
| 13:06:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Well, "more reliable" somewhat implies that it already is reliable and is just increasing that. :-P |
| 13:07:41 | scorche | of course...i was just messing with you...although i much prefer "closer to getting reliable" or some such =) |
| 13:08:32 | Bagder | webguest20: well, it takes for someone to make it too and AFAIK, no one has taken the bait |
| 13:08:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | How would they be at the same level? |
| 13:08:58 | Bagder | code-wise |
| 13:09:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah, okay |
| 13:09:48 | webguest20 | Bagder: ok, that was just a quick status check |
| 13:09:59 | Burn | hey doesn anyone know how i can get pacman on my ipod? |
| 13:10:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Follow the instructions on the PluginPacbox page in the wiki. |
| 13:11:14 | Burn | ok but can you tell me whats a midway pacman? |
| 13:11:30 | scorche | midway is a gaming company |
| 13:11:38 | scorche | that made pacman |
| 13:11:43 | Burn | ok |
| 13:11:43 | scorche | among other games |
| 13:12:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hm. |
| 13:12:13 | Burn | ohhh |
| 13:12:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Odd that Namco has Pacman now. |
| 13:12:40 | Burn | found it in google, a list of their roms. cool thanks |
| 13:13:22 | Genre9mp3 | Pacman developed by Namco and licensed for distribution by Midway |
| 13:13:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
| 13:13:52 | scorche | s/made/made and distributed |
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| 13:13:54 | scorche | ;) |
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| 13:16:49 | Burn | wow you guys know alot |
| 13:17:20 | Bagder | we've found this great resource called the internet |
| 13:17:31 | Bagder | :-P |
| 13:17:47 | scorche | internet: great or greatest modern invention? |
| 13:17:48 | scorche | =P |
| 13:17:58 | Burn | greatest |
| 13:19:48 | dan_a | It's not that great: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27836 |
| 13:20:18 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 13:20:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ouch. |
| 13:20:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | A crushing blow. |
| 13:20:42 | Bagder | the sky is falling |
| 13:21:18 | Lynx_ | now you just need to tell me wikipedia isn't perfect, and i'm completely disillusioned |
| 13:21:22 | Burn | hah funny |
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| 13:22:27 | amiconn | Bagder, preglow: Iirc someone tried binutils 2.17, and failed building the crosscompiler |
| 13:23:02 | Burn | hey what does MAME mean? |
| 13:23:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator |
| 13:23:18 | Bagder | Burn: now you can try that useful resource |
| 13:23:34 | Burn | ohhhh yea |
| 13:23:37 | Burn | *Internet |
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| 13:26:32 | Burn | are there any good games rockbox can play? |
| 13:26:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Good is subjective. |
| 13:26:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | You can very easily find out for yourself what it plays on your target using the manual's list of plugins |
| 13:27:53 | Burn | so the plugins are all the stuff rockbox can play? |
| 13:27:54 | preglow | amiconn: i did that, but i tried building the coldfire patches branch |
| 13:28:15 | preglow | and that branch uses new arch flags |
| 13:28:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Burn: The plugins are essentially additional programs Rockbox can run. |
| 13:28:55 | Burn | ok, can rockbox run mame roms then? |
| 13:29:08 | preglow | depends |
| 13:29:11 | preglow | we can run pac-man roms :> |
| 13:29:13 | Bagder | mame is an emulator, it has no roms |
| 13:29:21 | Bagder | it runs others' roms |
| 13:30:20 | Burn | like doom aswell right? |
| 13:30:32 | preglow | doom has no roms |
| 13:31:19 | Burn | ok i found this site with alot of mame roms could you tell me if they will work for rockbox? http://romhustler.net/roms/mame/d |
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| 13:31:28 | preglow | ... |
| 13:31:29 | preglow | they won't |
| 13:31:39 | preglow | rockbox doesn't run mame, nor will it ever do that |
| 13:31:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Burn: Is it just too hard to read the manual? |
| 13:31:50 | Burn | no |
| 13:31:57 | Burn | the hard part is understanding it |
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| 13:37:52 | lostlogic | pondlife: your commits look good to me −− did you try a logf build and a debugf build after them −− I have a niggling feeling that one of the two of those might require changing code that uses audio_filebufused |
| 13:38:29 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:38:48 | lostlogic | pondlife: cool −− my niggling must have just been about the one spot you caught in the debug menu then ;) |
| 13:38:50 | pondlife | Well, a sim with logf + debug... |
| 13:39:01 | pondlife | Seeing as your around, I have a question |
| 13:39:06 | lostlogic | kk |
| 13:39:59 | pondlife | Why do we set ci.curpos for some codecs in audio_load_track()? |
| 13:40:43 | pondlife | It is needed for resume for some reason, but this doesn't seem the right place... |
| 13:40:58 | pondlife | I would think this code should only affect buffer writing, not reading/playback |
| 13:41:24 | pondlife | The case for Ogg Vorbis etc. looks much more reasonable. |
| 13:42:28 | pondlife | The whole switch on codectype seems wrong... |
| 13:42:45 | lostlogic | lemme take a look −− I know the three cases are 1) full streaming codecs where you can start anywhere 2) seekable but not fully streaming codecs where you need to start at the beginning and seek and 3) non-seeking codecs where you don't even try to seek on resume. |
| 13:43:00 | Burn | does anyone know where i can download doom.wads |
| 13:43:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | The only legally redistributable ones are in our Wiki |
| 13:43:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | For anything else, buy the games. |
| 13:43:35 | pondlife | OK. I'm sure we might need to case them, but it would be better if the codec could be asked for its preference. |
| 13:43:56 | pondlife | Either way, this doesn't seem the right place to muck about with the playback position. |
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| 13:44:50 | pondlife | audio_play_start would be more like it. |
| 13:44:54 | lostlogic | pondlife: I agree completely. That was one of the places where I had so far just been very careful to preserve the behavior exactly as I found it. |
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| 13:45:15 | lostlogic | pondlife: on streaming codecs, I think the theory is that we never put the beginning of the file on the buffer. |
| 13:45:17 | LinusN | did you guys spot the audio_stop() race in the bug tracker? |
| 13:45:25 | pondlife | No |
| 13:45:48 | lostlogic | which is why you do it on buffer start for that file |
| 13:46:08 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6174 |
| 13:46:10 | lostlogic | LinusN: which one, the one that's been around since ... June? |
| 13:47:13 | pondlife | jspenguin is right |
| 13:47:21 | pondlife | I'll modify it here and test |
| 13:47:26 | lostlogic | ah, yeah, different than the thing I was thinking of. |
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| 13:48:28 | pondlife | lostlogic: Anyway, you don't object to that code being relocated at least? |
| 13:48:38 | pondlife | (the offset setting stuff) |
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| 13:50:50 | lostlogic | pondlife: not at all |
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| 13:51:07 | pondlife | lostlogic: This leads me to another question. Why do we call sound_set_volume in audio_play_start?, |
| 13:51:24 | pondlife | (or why not set_balance etc. as well) |
| 13:51:37 | lostlogic | that beats the heck out of me :) |
| 13:51:53 | pondlife | I think I'll remove it and see what happens, should be fairly obvious |
| 13:52:13 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 13:53:17 | LinusN | it could have something to do with fading |
| 13:54:28 | * | preglow thinks we should do fading in software |
| 13:54:44 | preglow | current fading crackles |
| 13:55:23 | Slasheri | that might be more efficient to do also |
| 13:55:31 | Slasheri | no need to write to the slow i2c bus |
| 13:55:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Does current fading work on line-outs where it's at line level? |
| 13:55:45 | jhMikeS | the volume control is used for fading? |
| 13:55:49 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes |
| 13:56:09 | jhMikeS | not the best approach. I agree with preglow 100%. |
| 13:56:18 | preglow | not the best approach by far, it plain sucks |
| 13:56:33 | LinusN | jhMikeS: it is the best approach if the volume control is all you have (read: archos) |
| 13:56:33 | preglow | also, with a software fade routine, we can smoothly change volume when voiceui speaks |
| 13:56:36 | jhMikeS | the tlv volume is too coarse for that |
| 13:56:38 | Slasheri | and fading should also fade in properly when starting playback |
| 13:56:58 | jhMikeS | LinusN: When you're hopelessly stuck I guess but otherwise |
| 13:57:24 | jhMikeS | LinusN: did you look at any of the UDA problems? |
| 13:57:31 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes |
| 13:57:37 | jhMikeS | and...??!? |
| 13:57:53 | LinusN | i ran out of time, but i have a nice log of all the uda writes |
| 13:58:04 | LinusN | logf to the serial port |
| 13:58:25 | LinusN | well, "nice" is probably not the word |
| 13:58:42 | LinusN | your patch doesn't apply anymore btw |
| 13:58:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...can you email it if it's not too much trouble? |
| 13:59:11 | jhMikeS | I did a CVS update on that checkout and fixed the conflicts |
| 13:59:22 | jhMikeS | maybe more? |
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| 14:01:20 | jhMikeS | suppose I can do a resync on the patch just to keep it applying |
| 14:01:29 | LinusN | would probably be nice |
| 14:02:16 | lostlogic | pondlife: so the initial seek stuff seems to me to need to be done at track load time, because it can impact both the file handle position and possibly either the seek position or the initial playing position that the codec is told about. |
| 14:02:43 | lostlogic | pondlife: but if you have a good idea of where to make it work better, far be it from me to discourage you :-P |
| 14:03:27 | pondlife | I've split the initial seek in two. The file buffering (i.e. buffer write) stays where it is. The codec positioning has moved out of there. |
| 14:04:08 | pondlife | This doesn't make a lot of difference to the code that gets executed, but is nicer |
| 14:05:03 | lostlogic | *nod* |
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| 14:06:20 | LinusN | jhMikeS: log sent |
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| 14:08:46 | jhMikeS | got it, thanks |
| 14:10:36 | dan_a | Would anyone with a 4 or 5G iPod mind testing the latest patch on FS #5755 (kernel_on_cop_3.diff)? Thanks! |
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| 14:12:17 | preglow | nano doesn't qualify? |
| 14:12:31 | dan_a | preglow: Nano qualifies |
| 14:12:37 | preglow | aight, i'll try it, then |
| 14:12:39 | dan_a | Anything other than 3g |
| 14:12:47 | dan_a | Thanks |
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| 14:13:30 | preglow | do i need to put in a new bootloader as well? |
| 14:14:22 | dan_a | preglow: Yes, you will |
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| 14:16:08 | preglow | damn, the settings block always seems to change these days |
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| 14:19:05 | lostlogic | gah, I've totally forgotten how to install a new ipod bootloader *reads* |
| 14:19:26 | * | preglow too :// |
| 14:22:15 | jhMikeS | the version goes up at least as the square of the number of days =:) |
| 14:24:59 | lostlogic | dan_a: the patch fails to apply due to pondlife's recent playback.c changes :( |
| 14:25:44 | dan_a | lostlogic: Aaargh! I only updated it on Wednesday night! |
| 14:25:54 | * | dan_a shakes his fist |
| 14:26:08 | lostlogic | dan_a: :-\ sorry to be the bearer of bad news ;) |
| 14:26:46 | lostlogic | dan_a: is performance currently worse better or the same using the cop as not? |
| 14:27:29 | LinusN | Slasheri: i'm still missing the update of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel ;-) |
| 14:28:04 | dan_a | lostlogic: Slightly better, but not as good as I'd hoped. I think that may be because I've moved more structures into IRAM, though (until I work out proper cache flushing) |
| 14:28:55 | lostlogic | dan_a: *nod* still, awesome work to get it running at all, hopefully starts opening doors for other people to work with the cop. |
| 14:29:56 | LinusN | how much do we know about the cache? |
| 14:30:05 | preglow | i think i know how to flush it |
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| 14:30:08 | dan_a | lostlogic: Unfortunately, last I heard it didn't work on PP502X machines |
| 14:30:14 | preglow | LinusN: little |
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| 14:30:32 | lostlogic | dan_a: ahh, well I look forward to breaking mine then :-P |
| 14:30:37 | dan_a | preglow: Would that be by reading 8kb of data? |
| 14:31:34 | preglow | no |
| 14:31:36 | jhMikeS | I still have artifact of when I was doing thing differently there, like settings_read_parse_line, suppose that should go |
| 14:31:37 | bluebrother | jhMikeS, does your last commit fix FS #5532? |
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| 14:31:51 | preglow | ipl page lists 0xf0008000 as cache flush base |
| 14:31:52 | jhMikeS | blubrother: I don't knwo I'll look |
| 14:32:12 | jhMikeS | so many things in the tracker, there are |
| 14:32:18 | preglow | we might try to in ipod_init_cache for 0xf0004000, but just for that range |
| 14:32:29 | preglow | we might try to do what we do in ipod_init_cache for 0xf0004000, but just for that range <- |
| 14:33:40 | dan_a | preglow: And then again at 0xf000c000 to invalidate it? |
| 14:33:53 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: yes, but not in the way they suggested, it just keeps using the background color for splashes. Actually, there should probably be another tweak to that |
| 14:33:58 | preglow | dan_a: probably, in which case it might just be faster to read memory... |
| 14:34:06 | preglow | hmm, no, these accesses will probably be faster |
| 14:34:32 | preglow | dan_a: btw, why would moving more structures into iram make performance not as good as hoped? |
| 14:34:58 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: It shouldn't always use black for the text for one but I didn't change that :\ |
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| 14:36:37 | preglow | dan_a: anyway, with careful design, we _should_ be able to pull this off with no cache flushing |
| 14:36:43 | dan_a | preglow: I've found that putting things in IRAM that don't need to be there reduces performance |
| 14:36:56 | preglow | really, now |
| 14:37:07 | jhMikeS | Oh ferget it...it always uses gray for bg. Won't be a prob...:P |
| 14:37:31 | lostlogic | dan_a: got the patch applied using some CVS trickery, installing soon |
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| 14:38:57 | ftugrul | hello |
| 14:38:58 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: should I consider it fixed? The visibility problem is gone. op? |
| 14:39:50 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe it should get closed as the problem itself is gone, yes. |
| 14:40:15 | ftugrul | i've got a problem about my player, can anyone help please? it (h340) can boot with rockbox, but original firmware freezes on "Loading..." |
| 14:40:23 | dan_a | lostlogic: Thank you |
| 14:40:35 | bluebrother | ftugrul, is the battery full? |
| 14:40:37 | lostlogic | dan_a: do I hafta do something to turn it on, or if I just installed a new bootloader and new rockbox and it plays music do you win? |
| 14:40:44 | lostlogic | dan_a: cuz it's installed and playing music... |
| 14:40:48 | ftugrul | bluebrother: yes |
| 14:41:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: I think there's an additional thread in the threads screen, or something. |
| 14:41:10 | ftugrul | bluebrother: also i've deleted all files.. still same.. |
| 14:41:10 | petur | ftugrul: maybe the EEPROM got corrupted |
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| 14:41:33 | dan_a | lostlogic: In the threads screen, it should show 2 threads running on core 1 |
| 14:42:03 | ftugrul | what can i do please? |
| 14:42:05 | lostlogic | what's a thread screen? (I'm like a newb :-P) |
| 14:42:31 | lostlogic | should I have done a debug build? |
| 14:42:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: Nah, I think it's in the normal debug screen that's always there, right? |
| 14:42:54 | petur | ftugrul: I'll dump my EEPROM and put it somewhere for you. You can then write it using a function in the info -> debug menu |
| 14:42:54 | LinusN | lostlogic: i believe it's still called "view os stacks" |
| 14:42:55 | dan_a | lostlogic: Erm... Info->Debug->Thread Stacks, IIRC |
| 14:42:59 | ftugrul | can i flash eeprom with rockbox? |
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| 14:43:20 | dan_a | And it doesn't need to be a debug build |
| 14:43:22 | petur | ftugrul: EEPROM, not flash |
| 14:43:34 | ftugrul | :S |
| 14:43:45 | ftugrul | EEPROM is used for settings? |
| 14:43:47 | petur | it's where iriver stores the settings |
| 14:43:55 | ftugrul | oh, ok. |
| 14:44:11 | jhMikeS | Another visual annoyance is not have a linear grayscale on the x5 remote |
| 14:44:17 | bluebrother | ftugrul, see also this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5856.0 |
| 14:44:31 | lostlogic | View OS stacks? |
| 14:44:42 | LinusN | lostlogic: yes |
| 14:45:12 | lostlogic | and how do I know which core they are running on? |
| 14:45:36 | dan_a | It says in brackets before the thread name |
| 14:45:45 | ftugrul | petur: thank you. i'm using 1.29K |
| 14:45:52 | dan_a | And if you have 2 main threads, you are running on 2 cores |
| 14:47:42 | bluebrother | LinusN, I'd like to fix FS #6162 and was wondering if there is a reason why write_bytes gets overwritten completely on RADIO_SLEEP. |
| 14:47:47 | lostlogic | ok, I somehow messed up installing this patch. wtf. |
| 14:48:06 | bluebrother | can you tell me if there is any? I changed it to set only the bytes necessary and it works fine for me. |
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| 14:49:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The grayscale one the X5 remote _is_ approximately linear |
| 14:49:53 | amiconn | I guess you refer to the dark splash() background, but that's a different bug I already described multiple times |
| 14:50:32 | jhMikeS | it's compressed towards the black end and toward white when inverted |
| 14:50:49 | LinusN | bluebrother: i can imagine that it is an attempt to set the radio to some default state so it is the same whether it has only slept or if it has been completely turned off |
| 14:50:59 | LinusN | when we wake it up again |
| 14:51:02 | jhMikeS | I'll check it with a four gray test bars |
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| 14:51:36 | petur | ftugrul: copy petur/internal_eeprom.bin">http://users.telenet.be/petur/internal_eeprom.bin into the root of your h340, then in rockbox go to menu -> info -> debug -> write EEPROM (last entry) |
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| 14:51:55 | ftugrul | petur: ti worked! thank you very very much! |
| 14:52:03 | petur | so fast? |
| 14:52:06 | ftugrul | *it |
| 14:52:10 | ftugrul | yes :) |
| 14:52:30 | bluebrother | hmm. I thought of that myself but it has the disadvantage to nuke all settings (like the force mono bit) |
| 14:52:32 | * | petur makes a mental note that the eeprom corruption issue is still there |
| 14:53:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | petur: It could be gone |
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| 14:53:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | ftugrul: When was the last time retail firmware worked for you? |
| 14:53:34 | bluebrother | I initialized write_bytes with 0's −− works fine for me: http://pastebin.ca/200881 |
| 14:53:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | ftugrul: While you had Rb installed |
| 14:53:45 | ftugrul | now i can upgrade to bootloader v6 |
| 14:54:02 | ftugrul | hmm. let me think |
| 14:54:10 | petur | ftugrul: how old is your rockbox version and how long ago did you go into original firmware? |
| 14:54:16 | ftugrul | about 2 weeks ago |
| 14:54:21 | petur | bootloader v6? |
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| 14:55:06 | sneakums | petur: yes, my ipod's disk reports itself as an MK8010GAH, which as you found is not mentioned on the toshiba site |
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| 14:55:38 | petur | ftugrul: h3x0 only has bootloader v5, v6 is for h1x0 |
| 14:55:54 | ftugrul | my rockbox version is cvs-060924, |
| 14:56:33 | ftugrul | oh, really? i've tought it's an update |
| 14:56:53 | * | preglow out |
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| 14:57:28 | ftugrul | and it become corrupted only this version |
| 14:57:50 | ftugrul | older versions had minor corruptions, like radio freqs |
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| 14:58:42 | ftugrul | hope this helps |
| 14:59:12 | petur | ftugrul: the corruption is the same, it's just the place where it corrupts that changes how bad it is/looks |
| 14:59:15 | dan_a | lostlogic: What type of iPod are you on? |
| 14:59:58 | ftugrul | i understood |
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| 15:01:31 | petur | but the cause of the corruption is a compleet mistery, you can't just write into an eeprom like that by mistake... |
| 15:01:45 | * | petur suspects the pcf driver |
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| 15:03:19 | ftugrul | petur: can i backup my original firmware settings this way? |
| 15:03:39 | ftugrul | and, can i modify them? |
| 15:03:57 | petur | you mean iriver firmware settings? |
| 15:04:06 | ftugrul | yes |
| 15:04:32 | petur | backup yes, modify no (unless you know where iriver stores everything |
| 15:05:08 | petur | to copy eeprom to file, use the info -> debug -> dump rom (it will dump ROM and eeprom) |
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| 15:05:48 | petur | you can delete the rom image... |
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| 15:07:15 | ftugrul | oh, ok. |
| 15:07:44 | ftugrul | petur: this file.. your eeprom dump. is it default settings? |
| 15:08:28 | petur | no idea... better reset in iriver if you want a defaults one |
| 15:08:54 | petur | it could be half corrupted (but it was still booting) |
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| 15:09:59 | ftugrul | :) |
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| 15:19:52 | lostlogic | just a note: dan_a is my hero and my ipod 5g is using both cores. |
| 15:20:16 | crashd | huh |
| 15:21:13 | dan_a | lostlogic: Does it work any better? Can you do anything which would have caused skipping before? |
| 15:21:45 | lostlogic | I'm playing with it. |
| 15:21:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Peakmeters + EQ NOW! :-P |
| 15:22:04 | * | Paul_the_Nerd pokes. |
| 15:22:40 | lostlogic | peakmeters on |
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| 15:24:06 | lostlogic | peak meters + eq, no skips yet |
| 15:24:09 | lostlogic | *finds a hard track* |
| 15:25:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: Which type of iPod you testing on again? |
| 15:25:57 | lostlogic | 5g |
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| 15:26:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 15:26:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, the most difficult post-3G iPod. |
| 15:26:42 | lostlogic | yar |
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| 15:27:07 | lostlogic | yeah, no skips even on tough applause sections so far. |
| 15:27:43 | crashd | how's the battery looking on the ipods anyway? |
| 15:28:20 | aliask | Pretty average compared to OF still... |
| 15:28:29 | crashd | :| |
| 15:28:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well there's still far too many unknowns |
| 15:28:49 | dan_a | And this might make it worse |
| 15:29:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or it might not, if it happened to be draining power anyway. ;) |
| 15:29:26 | aliask | Anyone know if I could easily remove any LCD related stuff from my iPod build? (eg no lcd updates, hopefully even just turn it off) |
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| 15:34:50 | aliask | Maybe another time... I'm off. |
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| 15:48:44 | dan_a | Hmmmmm... IPL say that the coprocessor on the iPods cannot be clocked at a different speed to the main processor... I thought that the COP could be slower :( |
| 15:49:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | dan_a: That's what I'd been told, by *someone* |
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| 15:55:58 | dan_a | PortalPlayer say "Up to 80MHz processor operation per core with independent clock-skipping feature on COP" |
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| 16:00:07 | goffa | hmm... tempted to get a gigabeat.. just don't know how far off sound is |
| 16:00:22 | goffa | around $100 you can get a 40gb player though |
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| 16:06:45 | dan_a | lostlogic: The reason it's boosting more than it should is because I've been stupid... When the codec thread is asking to boost the speed, nothing happens. I'm very impressed that it didn't skip! |
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| 16:08:04 | godzirra | goffa: yeah, but you have to use their software or windows media player until rockbox works. ;) |
| 16:13:48 | billodo | m4a files not playing on iAudio X5... is it recommended that one converts them to something more usable? |
| 16:14:37 | godzirra | I wish there was a place to buy an iAudio X5 locally |
| 16:15:05 | billodo | I got one on Amazon in 2 days |
| 16:15:18 | godzirra | i'm really picky about mp3 players. |
| 16:15:26 | godzirra | I'd like to have a place to take it back if I detest it :) |
| 16:15:32 | billodo | ah |
| 16:16:17 | billodo | anyhoo... rockbox and m4a's are like kids and knives |
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| 16:16:47 | billodo | at least on the X5 |
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| 16:17:29 | SereR0kR | afk |
| 16:17:32 | SereR0kR | ne |
| 16:17:34 | SereR0kR | sry |
| 16:17:37 | SereR0kR | wrong window |
| 16:17:38 | SereR0kR | ^^ |
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| 16:19:30 | amiconn | dan_a: We need to find out how to do that clock skipping... |
| 16:20:50 | dan_a | amiconn: I'm just looking back over what MrH has written about the clock handling |
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| 16:47:24 | * | petur goes over to the bar to have a few beers |
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| 16:56:26 | lamed | INCLUDES += $(patsubst %,-I$(APPSDIR)/%,$(subst :, ,$(APPEXTRA))) includes a folder in /apps called APPEXTRA= dirname ? |
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| 17:00:44 | goffa | godzirra: that's why i'm wondering how close it is... i don't want the gigabeat for its default fw |
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| 17:01:09 | lamed | any makefile helpers? |
| 17:01:20 | goffa | but i the price will go up when rb supports it |
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| 17:02:45 | lostlogic | dan_a: hmm, weird −− it must be doing something, because when it requests the boost, it is filling the buffer faster... at least afaics |
| 17:05:46 | markun | hi goffa |
| 17:06:04 | markun | You found a F40 for $100? |
| 17:06:33 | dan_a | lostlogic: I've not investigated the codec/audio code in detail... just enough to make the dual core stuff work. I'll have a look later. |
| 17:07:27 | markun | goffa: the port is still pretty close, but we all of the people working on it have little time |
| 17:08:27 | markun | goffa: I'd say just buy one. wibbix is working on the last bugs before we can run the kernel for the first time. |
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| 17:08:50 | lostlogic | when you post another patch, I'll definitely look into taking best advantage of what you've got working so far for the audio/codec processing ;) |
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| 17:22:44 | godzirra | morning Kalthare |
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| 17:32:23 | Kalthare | mornin' |
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| 17:49:32 | lamed | last line on gnuchess makefile is -include $(DEPFILE) . why is it last? |
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| 17:50:59 | raw-bin | Greets. I flashed on the latest rockbox today. I'm getting occasional lock ups with a 'undefined instruction at...' message. Anyone encounter this ? |
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| 17:51:49 | lostlogic | raw-bin: what player? and by latest do you mean latest daily build, latest CVS build, latest release or what? :) |
| 17:53:53 | raw-bin | lostlogic, sorry for the non-verbosity : I'm running the latest daily build. |
| 17:54:14 | raw-bin | I didn't understand the 'what player' question. Could you rephrase please ? Thanks, |
| 17:55:31 | raw-bin | Oh! Its an ipod! |
| 17:55:42 | raw-bin | nano |
| 17:56:02 | raw-bin | I seem to have assumed that rockbox is only for the ipod nano! Sorry. |
| 17:56:49 | raw-bin | What sort of debug capability exists for the ipod ? Is there some way to access a console over the serial port or something ? |
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| 17:59:58 | Kalthare | What I wouldn't give for that right now. |
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| 18:01:40 | raw-bin | Kalthare, so I'm assuming that there's a printk equivalent for use with the lcd driver perhaps ? Wow. That must've been painful. Unless the rockbox people opened up the nano and accessed a JTAG channel. Is there one ? |
| 18:02:55 | Kalthare | No idea. I'm not an actual dev. I'm just trying to get Rockbox working on the new 30GB Video model. |
| 18:03:32 | raw-bin | Kalthare, oh ok. Cool. |
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| 18:04:49 | Kalthare | I've got it printing debugging messages to the LCD right now, yeah. |
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| 18:06:56 | godzirra | so no luck on the end of disk error, Kalthare? |
| 18:09:19 | Kalthare | Well, I was mistaken. It's not reading past the end of the disk. |
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| 18:09:52 | lamed | pllzzz... anyone that knows something about makefiles read my questions and try to help... I'm getting /home/user/rockbox-devel/apps/plugin.h:66:21: widgets.h: No such file or directory, I think that means i'm missing folders on the makefile include path, right? |
| 18:11:07 | Kalthare | lamed: That's a C include. |
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| 18:11:36 | Lear | lamed: check the apps/recorder folder. |
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| 18:11:57 | godzirra | Kalthare: bummer. :/ any other leads? |
| 18:14:38 | Kalthare | No. I'll keep plugging away at it, but I really have no idea what's going on here. It hangs reading the .rockbox directory −− after doing so successfully many times. |
| 18:14:53 | lamed | guys, I'm trying to make a makefile in an effort to port a game into RB. This now happends after I told the game to include plugin.h (so I'll have access to the plugin functions) and after I told the makefile to include everything that gnuchess included, and obviously gnuchess don't complain about missing files. I also get: |
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| 18:15:22 | godzirra | thats odd |
| 18:15:56 | lamed | lag? |
| 18:16:06 | lamed | home/user/rockbox-devel/apps/plugin.h:267: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want |
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| 18:16:55 | lamed | and stuff like this. judging by the warrnings, only /recorder and /gui are missing but that doesn't make sence in relation to gnuchess. |
| 18:19:09 | amiconn | Kalthare: Is there something different regarding the data position on disk when it hangs? |
| 18:20:53 | Lear | lamed: Have you doublechecked your makefile and plugins/SUBDIRS? There must be something wrong with the $(INCLUDES) macro. |
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| 18:21:16 | Kalthare | amiconn: Um.. as in, is the directory moving? |
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| 18:21:57 | amiconn | No, I mean whether there's something special about the sector number it tries to access. The files within .rockbox may be scattered on the disk |
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| 18:22:53 | lamed | Lear: I don't know what to check the first time, so doublechecking is a serious problem... I'm trying to understand makefiles & includes all at the same time. for now adding those two folders to the include list satisfied the linker, I think. |
| 18:23:55 | Kalthare | amiconn: It's trying to read the directory itself. It's being called from update_short_entry(). |
| 18:24:09 | Lear | I could look at the makefile if you like... But I mean like comparing it with a working one, like the chessbox one. |
| 18:26:29 | amiconn | Kalthare: Hmm, that's odd. My guess is that there is (at least) one more place that needs to be patched for 2K sectors |
| 18:28:01 | Kalthare | amiconn: Yeah, there must be something I missed somewhere. |
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| 18:31:51 | Kalthare | Looks like it just got done writing tagnavi.config |
| 18:32:06 | amiconn | _writing_? |
| 18:32:16 | lamed | sint4 = signed int? (sizeof(int) = 4) |
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| 18:32:32 | amiconn | tagnavi.config shouldn't be written to from the core |
| 18:32:52 | Kalthare | Maybe I counted wrong, then? |
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| 18:35:13 | Slasheri | Kalthare: hmm, what is writing tagnavi.config? |
| 18:35:51 | Kalthare | It's not, I miscounted. It's writing .playlist_control |
| 18:35:57 | amiconn | Slasheri: I would appreciate it very much if you would make tagcache not eat hundreds of KB of RAM |
| 18:36:19 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, i will. it just takes some effort to turn static declarations to dynamic |
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| 18:36:37 | amiconn | I now have only 1.4MB of buffer left on recorder - that is when running from ROM, and pretty conservative limit settings |
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| 18:37:00 | amiconn | It used to be almost 1.6MB not too long ago... |
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| 18:40:03 | amiconn | Slasheri: Is it really necessary to load all that stuff to RAM? When tagcache doesn't use RAM buffering, the disk needs to spin up anyway... |
| 18:41:52 | amiconn | The reduced buffer size can make voice stop working, so this problem is a major one |
| 18:45:23 | lamed | on the general makefile (the one that is made by ../tools/configure) it says all: tools. why is the dependency on making 'all' set on 'tools'? (what is changed on 'tools' so that 'all' recompiles? |
| 18:47:05 | lamed | ..help |
| 18:47:54 | amiconn | It's the other way round |
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| 18:48:10 | amiconn | all is the default target that is made when you just type 'make' |
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| 18:48:47 | amiconn | 'all' needs 'tools', so it remakes the tools for which the source changed |
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| 18:49:34 | amiconn | (or builds them when they're missing, either first time or when they get deleted) |
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| 18:57:19 | lamed | tt amiconn |
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| 19:10:03 | Kalthare | ...the rockbox config is written directly to a raw HD sector? |
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| 19:15:55 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, the menu parsin would be hard unless it's loaded to ram. But i think ram usage by tagnavi can be dramatically reduces by implementing more buffer_alloc() calls there |
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| 19:17:39 | Lear | kalthere: currently, yes. |
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| 19:20:42 | Kalthare | Hmm.. I guess that's why my settings save fine, but nothing else seems to. |
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| 19:51:01 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Your splash() change contains a redundant function call... |
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| 19:52:38 | amiconn | Nm, ignore that |
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| 19:53:38 | dan_a | Are the bootloader files on download.rockbox.org from the daily builds? Or are they only remade occasionally? |
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| 19:53:53 | amiconn | Hmm, but the filled rectable is still darkgrey on the X5 remote, for the same reason it was darkgrey before |
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| 19:54:34 | amiconn | dan_a: They are remade occasionally. Automatic daily bootloaders would be too dangerous (at least on irivers) |
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| 19:56:16 | dan_a | Thanks |
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| 20:16:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I just think it should just take RGB values and translate them to gray levels when setting a color. Just remember the color set as well. |
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| 20:18:01 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'll look at the redundant thing too :) |
| 20:18:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, the screen api could have a conversion function (only necessary if there's more than 1 lcd _and_ both displays have a depth > 1) |
| 20:19:05 | amiconn | As for the redundancy: [19:52:38] <amiconn> Nm, ignore that |
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| 20:21:19 | jhMikeS | I'm just trying setting it in lcd_remote_set_foreground/background using Y' value and save the RGB color for the get functions. |
| 20:23:52 | amiconn | This stuff shouldn't go into the lcd drivers imo |
| 20:24:18 | amiconn | It's completely unnecessary when only one lcd has a depth > 1, or if there's only one display at all |
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| 20:25:06 | jhMikeS | but lcd-remote-2bit-vi is > 1 and others don't even have color functions so... |
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| 20:25:43 | jhMikeS | trying not to spread a bunch of stuff all about |
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| 20:26:27 | amiconn | I see the multi-screen api as an additional layer of abstraction, so such things should go there |
| 20:27:30 | amiconn | There could be screen_set_background(), screen_get_background() etc which just map to the appropriate lcd_* functions when only one lcd has a depth > 1 |
| 20:28:02 | amiconn | Only for X5 there would be some real calculation involved... and you don't need to store the rgb values for a greyscale driver |
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| 20:30:33 | amiconn | Just return the true value (i.e. r=g=b=y) |
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| 20:38:39 | * | amiconn has a probably rather nice solution in his head, including to be able to remove quite some ifdefing from code that uses the multi-screen api |
| 20:39:21 | petur | go go go |
| 20:40:09 | jhMikeS | There's already checks for screen->depth > 1 on x5 that don't make sense since all screens are > 1 |
| 20:40:27 | amiconn | Yes, that's because on irivers that's not the case |
| 20:40:38 | amiconn | My idea would also solve that problem |
| 20:40:58 | jhMikeS | let's have it |
| 20:41:09 | amiconn | (by just adding dummy functions for the display with depth == 1 where the other display has depth > 1 |
| 20:41:43 | jhMikeS | I've thought about that too after working with this stuff |
| 20:41:44 | amiconn | I would introduce additional macros like SCREEN_WHITE, SCREEN_RGBPACK etc |
| 20:42:10 | jhMikeS | I suppose those macros would point it to the proper array |
| 20:42:15 | jhMikeS | element even |
| 20:42:15 | amiconn | ...which would just map to LCD_* (or LCD_REMOTE_*, respectively) when only one screen has depth > 1 |
| 20:42:44 | amiconn | ...and work with plain RGB24 when both screens have depth > 1 |
| 20:43:17 | amiconn | Then the pointers in the screen api would point to conversion functions, which in turn call the appropriate lcd_* functions |
| 20:44:01 | jhMikeS | that seems appropriate to add a mid level but stuffing in the driver now as a relief wouldn't hurt that |
| 20:44:23 | amiconn | There will also be a SCREEN_DEPTH macro, which would just be defined as MAX(LCD_DEPTH, LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH) |
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| 20:44:53 | amiconn | This would then be used to check whether the screen colour stuff will be needed at all |
| 20:45:09 | amiconn | ...so pure monochrome targets won't be hurt |
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| 20:46:44 | amiconn | I think we should just use 'unsigned int' for storing colours. It can (on 32bit archs) take everything from a pure brightness value to rgb24 |
| 20:47:15 | jhMikeS | isn't "unsigned" = "unsigned int" ?!? :) |
| 20:47:19 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:47:33 | * | amiconn was more verbose than necessary :) |
| 20:47:33 | jhMikeS | of course...which ones are taking short values? |
| 20:48:04 | jhMikeS | It's nescessary to be verbose? heh |
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| 20:48:21 | amiconn | Iirc the lcd_* functions dealing with colours take fb_data parameters now |
| 20:48:50 | amiconn | ...and fb_data varies with lcd depth and other dependencies |
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| 20:49:39 | amiconn | Did you try the 4 grey bars on the remote? |
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| 20:53:32 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 20:54:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: The dark gray is a little too dark and the light gray a bit too light imo. Looks "gamma corrected" too much |
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| 20:59:56 | jhMikeS | acutally is seems to vary a lot with contrast...at 24 the dark gray is pretty close to black |
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| 21:02:42 | jhMikeS | but then light gray changes a lot...I look at it straight on since that matters as well |
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| 21:08:58 | amiconn | Hmm, in the special case of splash(), the dummy function idea won't help to remove if (screen->depth > 1) ... |
| 21:09:22 | amiconn | ...because the drawmode needs to be set differently |
| 21:11:04 | jhMikeS | only if the remote is mono. the x5 will never reach the else clause |
| 21:11:36 | amiconn | Yeah, ture. But the else clause can't go away because of the H1x0 and H300 |
| 21:11:43 | amiconn | s/ture/true/ |
| 21:13:20 | amiconn | It would be possible to exclude the else path for X5, at the price of more ifdefing |
| 21:13:31 | jhMikeS | should have a MIN_SCREEN_DEPTH macro then |
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| 21:14:26 | amiconn | Yes, I was thinking along the same line |
| 21:15:29 | amiconn | SCREEN_MIN_DEPTH and SCREEN_MAX_DEPTH, perhaps |
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| 21:18:20 | jhMikeS | can't wait till something has more than two screens =:) |
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| 21:21:32 | jhMikeS | could that this like I handled sample rates and use cap flags like #define (HAVE_DEPTH_16 | HAVE_DEPTH_2) where the flag bits are constant across ports |
| 21:21:33 | lostlogic | is it correct that neither boosting nor unboosting may be done in interrupt context? |
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| 21:24:28 | Moos | wow lostlogic still alive? :P (hi btw) |
| 21:24:39 | jhMikeS | #define SCREEN_DEPTHS_MASK rather or something |
| 21:25:11 | jhMikeS | I donno maybe not as useful for static checks |
| 21:25:34 | jhMikeS | hey Moos |
| 21:25:37 | BigMac | Anyone here know visual basic and c? |
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| 21:25:53 | Moos | hi jhMikeS: saw your great commits :) |
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| 21:28:55 | jhMikeS | ugh vb...what ever gave 'em that idea? :E |
| 21:31:11 | lostlogic | heya moos |
| 21:31:25 | BigMac | Any of you remember that game that came with windows 95/98/2000 called Rodent's Revenge |
| 21:31:38 | BigMac | You are a mouse and have to try to corner the cats |
| 21:31:59 | * | petur is pretty sure windows never came with such a game |
| 21:32:02 | lostlogic | Moos: Haven't managed to kill myself off yet −− I've actually started hanging out in here a bit more again the past couple of weeks, hopefully that will become a pattern as winter comes to Chitown |
| 21:32:11 | BigMac | It is not very graphically sophisticated, so not very battery draining |
| 21:32:19 | BigMac | and it is fun and puzzling |
| 21:32:36 | BigMac | http://www.pcgaming.ws/viewgame.php?game=rodents_revenge |
| 21:32:38 | BigMac | petur |
| 21:32:41 | BigMac | that |
| 21:32:49 | BigMac | there is a clone of that out |
| 21:32:55 | BigMac | but written in vb |
| 21:32:55 | petur | as if I would have time to play games... |
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| 21:33:04 | BigMac | I know nothing in vb |
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| 21:33:29 | BigMac | And I think if someone knows both and has the time, they should try working on that |
| 21:33:31 | petur | I hardly get the time to rockbox... gaming would be such a waste of time |
| 21:34:41 | petur | programmers should have no problem understanding most higher level languages. vb is about as easy as it can get |
| 21:34:53 | jhMikeS | If you learn one any other common programming language is pretty much the same thing really imo. |
| 21:36:03 | petur | asm being the exception ;) |
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| 21:36:47 | jhMikeS | was just gonna say that but then if you learn assembly for one the others come easier too |
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| 21:37:20 | BigMac | well if anyone has the time just tell me |
| 21:37:50 | petur | good point... |
| 21:38:00 | petur | 'has the time' :) |
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| 21:39:58 | jhMikeS | time...you may have noticed that delayed signal emanating from the intense gravitational well caused by the mass of all that's on my shoulders :) |
| 21:40:07 | lostlogic | mph |
| 21:40:14 | lostlogic | damn wrong window. |
| 21:40:23 | jhMikeS | kph! |
| 21:40:25 | BigMac | lost logic |
| 21:40:29 | BigMac | friendcodes.com? |
| 21:41:10 | lostlogic | hrm? |
| 21:41:40 | BigMac | you chat in irc on friendcodes.com correct? |
| 21:47:03 | lostlogic | ... ... not that I know of... |
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| 21:59:16 | San | hey |
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| 21:59:48 | San | would the H300 start if the battery wasn't plugged in properly, but I plugged the charger in? |
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| 22:00:01 | Ribs | erm |
| 22:00:08 | Ribs | why even ask? why not just try it? :) |
| 22:00:19 | San | cause I think I have that problem |
| 22:00:20 | San | :( |
| 22:00:48 | Bagder | San: most devices always run from battery, even if plugged in |
| 22:01:41 | San | I was putting the H300 back together after doing a soldering job on the charging socket, and it wouldn't turn on, but it turns on with that charger plugged in (to the default firmware) but as soon as I plug it out it turns off, like just powers of, no shut down |
| 22:01:46 | petur | I think the pcf needs a certain battery voltage before it will start |
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| 22:03:38 | San | ok, so its not the battery? I'll let it charge alot longer then |
| 22:03:40 | San | thanks |
| 22:05:06 | San | oh, btw, the battery was drained Completley before doing this soldering. Would that effect it not charging properly? |
| 22:05:59 | petur | I think LiIons don't like that much |
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| 22:06:19 | San | so its bad? :( |
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| 22:06:29 | petur | no idea |
| 22:06:33 | xerxes_ | Hello |
| 22:06:38 | xerxes_ | Guys I have a small problem |
| 22:06:39 | petur | why don't you try to charge it? |
| 22:06:43 | San | I am |
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| 22:06:49 | San | i have had it on for an hour |
| 22:06:59 | San | and when I unplug it, it just shuts off and wont turn on |
| 22:07:05 | San | even the slightest |
| 22:07:09 | xerxes_ | My pc harddisc crashed. I lost all iPod (video) backup files. I want to delete rockbox now from iPod How do I do this ? |
| 22:08:36 | petur | xerxes_: apple has some kind of recovery tool |
| 22:08:45 | xerxes_ | that failes |
| 22:08:54 | lostlogic | :q |
| 22:09:01 | lostlogic | gah, I'm all aobut the wrong windowness today. |
| 22:09:30 | xerxes_ | hm |
| 22:09:39 | petur | lostlogic: your typing has been better too :p |
| 22:09:41 | xerxes_ | lets see if I format the disc first |
| 22:09:57 | xerxes_ | and then try ipod software |
| 22:10:18 | Slasheri | San: did you check the polarity was correct? |
| 22:10:35 | San | of the batttery? |
| 22:10:39 | Slasheri | yes |
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| 22:10:47 | San | yes... i changed it a while ago, and it worked fine |
| 22:10:58 | San | and I plugged it back in today, the only way it would let me |
| 22:11:00 | Slasheri | ah.. maybe there is just a bad contact |
| 22:11:47 | San | uuh, i hate opening my player |
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| 22:11:56 | petur | xerxes_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#Will_installing_Rockbox_damage_m |
| 22:12:04 | San | i'll leave it to charge for another hour, and see what happens then |
| 22:12:17 | Slasheri | San: next time check that the battery works before assembling the player back :) |
| 22:12:22 | San | hehe |
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| 22:28:21 | Bagder | do we have a screenshot of a Rockbox color LCD bootloader somewhere? |
| 22:30:19 | amiconn | How would that be possible? |
| 22:30:27 | petur | why the bootloader - it doesn't use much color except for the blue background |
| 22:30:39 | amiconn | (other than a literal screenshot, i.e. using a camera) |
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| 22:31:50 | Bagder | I wanted to show how it looks to someone who hasn't seen it |
| 22:32:32 | petur | light blue background, small black boring text |
| 22:32:54 | amiconn | ...or not-so-small black boring text (on X5) |
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| 22:33:57 | Genre9mp3 | maybe a mockup of that would be possible |
| 22:33:59 | * | petur wonders if he should grab his camera |
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| 22:34:08 | barrywardell | there's a video on youtube |
| 22:34:15 | barrywardell | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EygtJtTohc4 |
| 22:34:25 | Bagder | ah, right |
| 22:34:31 | * | amiconn is on XChat for a while :/ |
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| 22:35:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: am I correct that any cpu_boost (true or false) may not be made while in interrupt context? |
| 22:35:49 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:35:59 | San | + |
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| 22:36:12 | lostlogic | must find another way to fix a bug pondlife fixed by boost(false) ing in interrupt. |
| 22:36:21 | amiconn | Technically it should be possible, but it would be a very bad idea |
| 22:36:53 | amiconn | cpu_boost can take several milliseconds, depending on how fast the pll relocks |
| 22:37:51 | San | oh, crap |
| 22:38:02 | amiconn | ...and some drivers probably won't like it when the clock is changed while a transfer is running |
| 22:38:09 | San | one of the wires on the battery has broken |
| 22:38:23 | lostlogic | well the only time it is now called in interrupt is when the pcmbuf has gone empty... which doesn' tmake sense any way... definitely need to find another way to do it |
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| 22:41:05 | * | petur feels a bit seasick after watching that youtube video |
| 22:41:59 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 22:42:06 | Bagder | wanna see something fun? |
| 22:42:11 | Bagder | http://www.contactor.se/~dast/IMG_6589.JPG |
| 22:42:38 | petur | hehe |
| 22:42:38 | lostlogic | sweet |
| 22:42:41 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: LOL |
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| 22:43:05 | barrywardell | haha |
| 22:43:20 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: It looks like that the Sansa is teasing you! :P |
| 22:44:37 | fulhack | Any progress on E10 porting? I saw some pictures of the circuitry has been uploaded :) |
| 22:45:33 | Bagder | fulhack: I don't think anyone is trying very hard on the E10 |
| 22:46:42 | fulhack | Ah :\ I had a look at the basic steps of porting to a new platform.. Was hoping someone else had done the groundwork ;) |
| 22:47:14 | Bagder | don't we all? ;-) |
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| 22:48:39 | lostlogic | zomg, lostlogic committed something... comments only... |
| 22:48:46 | * | lostlogic gets down with his comment writing self |
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| 22:50:43 | San | yay, works now |
| 22:50:54 | San | i just need to close the H300 back up |
| 22:56:08 | San | ok, apparently, the H300 can run of the Plug alone without a Battery. |
| 22:56:22 | Bagder | NEC's emma2rh chip looks like a neat beast |
| 22:56:34 | Bagder | "o process such a complex signal at high speed, the EMMA2RH device incorporates 12 CPU cores, including a 64-bit application CPU and a 32-bit CPU for real-time processing" |
| 22:56:59 | petur | power consumption? |
| 22:57:17 | Bagder | its made for DVD recorders etc, prolly not for handhelds |
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| 22:57:27 | petur | thought so ;) |
| 22:57:46 | Bagder | decodes two HD streams and encodes one SD, simultanously |
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| 23:02:54 | San | why cant you charge the H300 through USB anymore? There is no option in the Settings.... or is it default now? |
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| 23:04:22 | * | Kalthare prints out a hardcopy to ponder over. |
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| 23:07:54 | Spida | Bagder: url for EMMA2RH? google doesn't turn up anything readable.... |
| 23:08:16 | Bagder | http://www.necel.com/en/channel/vol_0057/vol_0057_1.html and http://www.necel.com/en/solutions/applications/digital/emma/01.html |
| 23:08:31 | Bagder | but NEC is one of those secret companies, there aren't much public info |
| 23:09:04 | Bagder | linux-mips 2.6.18 has some basic support for emma2rh |
| 23:09:59 | Spida | thx. |
| 23:15:54 | Joely | hey Bagder...do you happen to know the spacing of the solder point on the sansa for jtag? i really don't want to mess mine up so i'm going to buy connectors |
| 23:16:29 | Bagder | no, and I don't have it here atm |
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| 23:16:32 | Bagder | Linus has it |
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| 23:31:30 | hcs | ya don't say |
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| 23:41:58 | Joely | Bagdedr...ummm is Linus here? |
| 23:41:59 | Joely | haha |
| 23:42:02 | Joely | Bagder* |
| 23:42:24 | Bagder | nope, he's LinusN in here |
| 23:42:41 | Joely | ah ok |
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| 23:46:27 | barrywardell | is dan_a around? |
| 23:46:49 | petur | look at his current nick ;) |
| 23:47:38 | barrywardell | what does afk mean? |
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| 23:48:15 | barrywardell | ah, thanks |
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