| 00:01:10 | | Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") |
| 00:07:07 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:07:29 | | Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 00:11:22 | | Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 00:12:00 | | Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-015-241.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:13:22 | | Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") |
| 00:28:08 | | Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) |
| 00:28:18 | | Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE038.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:31:23 | | Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:34:41 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:35:02 | | Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 00:35:33 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:36:07 | | Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 00:38:05 | | Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@cpc2-nfds9-0-0-cust419.leic.cable.ntl.com) |
| 00:39:06 | | Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 00:44:26 | | Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") |
| 00:45:08 | | Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") |
| 00:45:43 | | Quit fulhack (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:46:40 | | Quit PaulJam (".") |
| 00:56:20 | | Quit qailer (Remote closed the connection) |
| 00:57:47 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:58:14 | | Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 00:59:07 | | Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) |
| 00:59:36 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:04:02 | | Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-180-79.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:10:35 | | Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) |
| 01:10:55 | | Quit ender` (" Everything we know about the Devil has been told us by the the friends of God.") |
| 01:15:32 | | Quit Joely (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:18:21 | | Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) |
| 01:18:27 | | Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-180-79.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:23:58 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:24:03 | | Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 01:26:50 | | Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) |
| 01:29:22 | Soap | dang it, the Audioscrobbler/Last.FM log patch didn't get commited. Is there still a problem with how it is written? Or is a working playback database still being waited on? |
| 01:31:57 | BHSPitLappy | there's an as plugin for rockbox? |
| 01:33:34 | Soap | oh yeah. |
| 01:33:40 | Soap | and it works pretty dang well. |
| 01:33:45 | Soap | thank you. |
| 01:34:05 | Soap | (My first instance of "wrong windows" ever) |
| 01:36:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:36:29 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:37:02 | | Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 01:47:17 | | Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:56:17 | Kohlriba | how is the data sent to audioscrobbler? |
| 01:56:28 | Kohlriba | +being* |
| 01:57:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | I believe you just run a script on your computer |
| 02:00 |
| 02:01:21 | | Quit Kalthare ("Leaving.") |
| 02:03:20 | | Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") |
| 02:07:16 | Xerion | the bug that prevents the last.fm logger to log the first played item should be fixed first imo |
| 02:09:00 | | Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:11:00 | | Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-046.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:25:07 | | Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.199.195) |
| 02:26:20 | | Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") |
| 02:29:20 | | Quit barrywardell () |
| 02:29:50 | | Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:32:26 | | Join Joely [0] (n=Joely@adsl-70-131-135-79.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:37:58 | | Part archidendron |
| 02:39:37 | | Join webguest04 [0] (i=42b79443@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 02:44:39 | Joely | omg! there's Galois!!! |
| 02:44:49 | Joely | hahaha, i love Galois theory |
| 02:44:57 | webguest04 | hey there. i just installed rockbox onto my ipod mini g2, and the battery runs out after 3 hours, after having been fully charged. however, according to apple, the battery should last up to 18 hours. |
| 02:45:24 | webguest04 | ...does rockbox drain the battery quicker? or is there another problem? |
| 02:46:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox drains the battery quicker, but usually you only get half of what you'd get under similar conditions, not 1/6 as you described. |
| 02:46:25 | | Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) |
| 02:47:09 | webguest04 | okay. is there any way at all that i can maximize the battery life, while keeping rockbox? |
| 02:47:32 | webguest04 | imho, the apple way of managing music is just ridiculous, and rockbox works much better for me. |
| 02:48:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox is still fairly early on on the PortalPlayer targets, so it just has some distance to go yet. |
| 02:48:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | But you can make sure the backlight isn't on any longer than you need it, choose options that don't use more CPU (such as disabling crossfeed and the equalizer), and making sure the option that turns the disk off when unused is enabled. |
| 02:48:53 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 02:49:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:49:15 | * | amiconn realises that a new runtime test on mini g2 would probably be useful |
| 02:49:16 | webguest04 | mm! okay! thanks! |
| 02:49:41 | amiconn | Last time I ran one (a few months ago) I got ~10 hours |
| 02:49:59 | amiconn | That was with 192kbps mp3 |
| 02:49:59 | | Quit webguest04 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 02:52:58 | | Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-046.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:53:06 | | Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:54:46 | | Part pixelma |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:38 | | Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:02:46 | | Join ton [0] (n=ton_rulz@cor6-ppp3390.for.dsl.connect.net.au) |
| 03:03:00 | godzirra | no word on the 30gb 5.5g? |
| 03:03:04 | ton | hello |
| 03:03:34 | ton | anyone no if thre is going to be a rockbox for creative zen vision m |
| 03:03:34 | ton | ? |
| 03:03:59 | aliask | Not until someone starts working on it, and nobody has one at the moment, so it doesn't really look good. |
| 03:04:09 | ton | dam |
| 03:04:19 | ton | i wonder y no1 is working on it |
| 03:04:28 | aliask | Like I said, nobody has one. |
| 03:04:43 | ton | dam |
| 03:05:07 | ton | what can u do on the rock box? |
| 03:05:32 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 03:07:29 | | Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 03:08:06 | | Part jhMikeS |
| 03:08:41 | ton | k thanks for ur help i really hope so there is going to be a rock box |
| 03:09:01 | aliask | No worries. |
| 03:09:18 | ton | do u recon it would be made this year? |
| 03:09:27 | Soap | Xerion - I believe that bug is not the Last.FM logger's fault. |
| 03:09:40 | ton | yeh |
| 03:09:42 | aliask | ton: A timeframe is impossible to give |
| 03:10:04 | ton | i got that version for creative zen i cant record fm now |
| 03:10:16 | ton | which is ashame |
| 03:10:49 | ton | k i g2g thanks again for ur help lets just hope someone makes a rock box |
| 03:10:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | ton: Unless someone with a vision M actually *does* something, it'll be never done. |
| 03:11:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | You could always start learning to program |
| 03:11:20 | ton | yeh |
| 03:11:33 | ton | i dunno is there anywhere i could donate |
| 03:11:35 | ton | for it |
| 03:11:40 | ton | ? |
| 03:12:06 | aliask | You can donate to rockbox, but you can't donate for a specific purpose (unless you donate a LOT) |
| 03:12:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Donations are general and tend to go toward hosting, and stuff like "replacing hardware that gets fried during the development process" like when Barry Wardell's player died while he was getting the H10 port going. |
| 03:12:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | You'd have to donate a lot to someone who was actually willing to do it. A lot of people see "donations as incentives toward a specific port" as an attempt to change this into "work" |
| 03:13:22 | ton | k thanks for the help |
| 03:13:23 | ton | cya |
| 03:13:55 | | Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-020-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:14:08 | | Quit ton () |
| 03:15:51 | | Quit rre7zbach (Client Quit) |
| 03:15:56 | Soap | aliask - how much is a LOT? |
| 03:16:07 | Soap | ;) |
| 03:16:11 | aliask | Who knows? I'm just quoting Linus on that one... |
| 03:16:31 | aliask | I'd think something like 6 months salary... |
| 03:16:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:20:42 | | Join Yono [0] (n=Yono@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 03:26:05 | Soap | net or gross? |
| 03:26:29 | aliask | Why, are you thinking of donating? |
| 03:26:36 | | Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 03:26:40 | | Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) |
| 03:26:44 | Soap | from what I hear about European tax rates I might be able to swing net. ;) |
| 03:28:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:29:44 | Soap | but seriously, someone here probably knows how much I have donated, and it's not enough to get any feature worked on, that's for sure. |
| 03:30:04 | aliask | Let alone a whole port. |
| 03:31:12 | aliask | I'm so curious as to how to get rockbox on a completely new system... |
| 03:31:31 | aliask | But I have a feeling it's WAY beyond me. |
| 03:36:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:36:29 | | Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:55:41 | | Join carl [0] (n=carl@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177838942.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 04:00 |
| 04:02:39 | | Join myzar [0] (i=derelict@cpe-72-129-81-32.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:08:39 | | Quit dan_a_afk () |
| 04:20:26 | | Join Gaia777 [0] (i=c876502d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 04:21:00 | Gaia777 | how's 2nd generation nano progress??? |
| 04:21:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | There isn't any |
| 04:21:26 | Gaia777 | and what if you try rockbox on your 2nd nano?? |
| 04:21:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | It won't work. |
| 04:21:47 | Gaia777 | youre a developer or something?? |
| 04:22:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or I just happen to have read the forum thread where it was discovered that it has entirely different undocumented hardware and nobody's reverse engineered it yet. |
| 04:22:49 | Gaia777 | but maybe some people can test their discoveries |
| 04:23:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | What discoveries? |
| 04:23:26 | | Join webguest59 [0] (i=864c0307@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 04:23:41 | Gaia777 | no im just saying... |
| 04:24:05 | Gaia777 | the thing is that they don't know anything about the new firmware?? |
| 04:24:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | It has nothing to do with the new firmware. |
| 04:24:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's the new hardware. |
| 04:24:18 | Gaia777 | so?? |
| 04:24:26 | Gaia777 | ahhh hardware |
| 04:24:41 | Gaia777 | that dual processor i'm right?? |
| 04:24:48 | Gaia777 | its something like that |
| 04:24:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Huh? |
| 04:25:15 | Gaia777 | whats the difference??? nano and mini had different hardware |
| 04:25:25 | scorche | and each had to be a different port |
| 04:25:27 | Gaia777 | and nano 1st is hackable |
| 04:25:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's the fact that they moved from a PortalPlayer brand processor (that we still know little about) to a Samsung processor (that we know nothing at all about) with entirely new hardware for some of the other things (or all of them maybe) as well |
| 04:25:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | All earlier iPods used *very* similar processors. |
| 04:26:17 | Gaia777 | ahhhh see..... so it's going to take too much??? it's that i bought it yesterday |
| 04:26:17 | Soap | i think the nano2g is using the same headphone jack. |
| 04:26:17 | scorche | and this one uses *very* different hardware...not near just the processor |
| 04:26:31 | scorche | too much of what? |
| 04:26:40 | Gaia777 | time or progress |
| 04:26:55 | scorche | well, there never is "too much", but it will take time |
| 04:27:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | It also requires someone who owns one to actually do a lot of owrk |
| 04:27:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | work |
| 04:27:11 | Gaia777 | it maybe can be tomorrow or in one year |
| 04:27:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | It may be longer than a year. Or never. |
| 04:27:25 | scorche | well, it wont be tomorrow ;) |
| 04:27:32 | Gaia777 | lol |
| 04:28:02 | Gaia777 | in rockbox you can view videos right?? |
| 04:28:07 | Gaia777 | or is just on podzilla?? |
| 04:28:20 | scorche | you can view videos... |
| 04:29:06 | Gaia777 | and the rockbox team is actually working on the 2nd nano?? |
| 04:29:09 | Soap | scorche - you are evil |
| 04:29:19 | scorche | Soap: what?...its true! |
| 04:29:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Gaia777: I don't know that anyone even *has* one to work on. |
| 04:29:43 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: linuxstb has one |
| 04:29:48 | Soap | scorche - I agree. You speak the truth. |
| 04:29:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Okay, so one person has one. |
| 04:30:12 | Gaia777 | i have one too... the problem is that i dont know about hacking or c |
| 04:30:35 | scorche | then either learn about it, or sit on the fence and wait =) |
| 04:30:42 | sneakums | the big problem is that nobody knows how the chip works |
| 04:30:57 | scorche | nobody willing to tell anyway... |
| 04:31:07 | sneakums | well, yes. |
| 04:31:10 | Gaia777 | and in the future how they'll now how the chip works?? |
| 04:31:15 | sneakums | clearly a black bag op at samsung headquarters is called for |
| 04:31:46 | scorche | Gaia777: i lost my crystal ball a couple months ago... |
| 04:32:18 | Gaia777 | well thats sort of difficult |
| 04:34:24 | Joely | ohhh guess what everybody! i'm getting my jtag wiggler for arm7s soon! i ordered it this afternoon! so we'll connect it to the portalplayer and find interesting things ;) |
| 04:34:53 | Joely | i know Badger already has one.... |
| 04:34:56 | Joely | but he wont share |
| 04:34:57 | Joely | :( |
| 04:34:58 | Joely | haha |
| 04:35:14 | Joely | BAGDER |
| 04:35:30 | Joely | omg that's gonna get me killed |
| 04:38:55 | | Quit carl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 04:49:12 | scottder | Badgers? BADGERS?? we don't need no steeking badgers! ;) |
| 04:55:13 | | Join Burn [0] (i=cb333c73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 04:56:05 | Burn | hi does anyone how i get a new build onto my rockbox? |
| 04:57:11 | | Join iRox [0] (i=473a5360@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 04:57:24 | iRox | hey is godrizza here? |
| 04:57:33 | godzirra | Yeah, whats up? |
| 04:57:39 | godzirra | Only kinda here so if I'm slow, sorry :) |
| 04:57:43 | iRox | hey i was you posted your mbr.bin |
| 04:57:53 | godzirra | Yes it was me that posted my mbr :) |
| 04:58:00 | iRox | jw, does this contain the bootloader? |
| 04:58:01 | webguest59 | Burn: just extract it to the root of your player. |
| 04:58:16 | iRox | i don't really fully understand the mbr.bin |
| 04:58:23 | godzirra | iRox: If you dd the mbr to /dev/sdX then it will have the bootloader, y es. |
| 04:58:43 | iRox | is this the "more stable" way of running rockbox? |
| 04:58:45 | | Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 04:59:18 | Burn | webguest59: do i press yes to all when its says replace all the files? |
| 04:59:27 | iRox | do i need to use a seperate program or is it something that can be done by dragging and replacing the file? |
| 04:59:41 | webguest59 | Burn: yes |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:02 | Burn | ok, how do u light up orange? |
| 05:00:41 | Joely | webguest59! are you that guy that told me that the h10 had a jtag port?? |
| 05:00:42 | godzirra | iRox: This is the way that you have to use mtools to copy |
| 05:00:45 | godzirra | but it is stable. |
| 05:00:46 | webguest59 | it happen automatically in the webclient when the message contains your nick |
| 05:00:57 | | Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC") |
| 05:01:05 | Joely | oh... |
| 05:01:11 | iRox | will this involve formatting my ipod? |
| 05:01:13 | | Join Burn [0] (i=cb333c73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 05:01:18 | webguest59 | Joley: no, i'm someone else |
| 05:01:23 | Joely | awww |
| 05:01:24 | Joely | ok |
| 05:01:43 | | Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB06040.ipt.aol.com) |
| 05:04:38 | | Quit Burn (Client Quit) |
| 05:04:51 | iRox | godzirra, if i boot into linux, all i would have to do is use mtools to use the hexed mbr.bin and thats it, copy the rockbox build to the root and im done? |
| 05:05:08 | iRox | lol sorry and another question, would my ipod be accessible in windows |
| 05:05:11 | godzirra | iRox: Sort of. |
| 05:05:15 | godzirra | No |
| 05:05:16 | godzirra | it wouldnt be |
| 05:05:25 | iRox | i mean it should be fat 32 partition tho? |
| 05:05:28 | godzirra | you would have to use mtools to copy stuff until someone figures out the solution |
| 05:05:33 | godzirra | It doesnt work quite like that |
| 05:05:36 | godzirra | I cant explain it well t hough : |
| 05:05:37 | godzirra | :) |
| 05:05:44 | iRox | o ok thanks |
| 05:05:51 | iRox | im gonna look on google for a ported mtools |
| 05:06:03 | iRox | (this is reversable, right?) |
| 05:06:11 | | Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 05:06:12 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 05:06:18 | iRox | or will i never be able to use itunes to restore it, sorry im just being cautious |
| 05:06:23 | godzirra | Yup |
| 05:06:26 | godzirra | you can restore it same as normal :) |
| 05:06:40 | iRox | alrighty then im gonna mess around |
| 05:06:41 | iRox | brb |
| 05:06:41 | godzirra | to my knowledge, nothing you do with the software/firmware is going to be nonreversible. |
| 05:06:55 | iRox | thanks for the info |
| 05:07:30 | godzirra | sure thing :) |
| 05:11:11 | | Quit Yono (Remote closed the connection) |
| 05:13:39 | | Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") |
| 05:16:26 | | Quit Gaia777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 05:16:53 | | Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 05:20:51 | | Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) |
| 05:22:41 | | Quit myzar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 05:23:41 | godzirra | anyone? :) |
| 05:26:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | What's the question again? |
| 05:28:15 | godzirra | Oops. |
| 05:28:18 | godzirra | wrong channel :) |
| 05:28:21 | godzirra | hence why you're confused.. heh |
| 05:36:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:37:38 | | Quit webguest59 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 05:39:36 | | Join Jack [0] (n=Jack@pool-71-114-133-157.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:44:27 | iRox | haha hey godzirra, you feel like helping me get started with mtools? |
| 05:49:00 | | Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) |
| 05:49:09 | | Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AED8F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:51:58 | | Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 05:52:00 | | Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) |
| 05:53:48 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 06:00 |
| 06:13:05 | | Quit iRox ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 06:13:33 | godzirra | damn he left |
| 06:18:32 | | Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 06:18:58 | Davide-NYC | Hello |
| 06:20:58 | Davide-NYC | anyone getting errors on Make Sim? |
| 06:21:05 | Davide-NYC | debug_menu.c |
| 06:21:09 | Davide-NYC | anyone? |
| 06:23:47 | Davide-NYC | OK god noght |
| 06:23:51 | Davide-NYC | *night |
| 06:23:58 | Davide-NYC | back in maybe 24 hours |
| 06:24:01 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 06:24:04 | | Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") |
| 06:25:47 | | Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 06:26:24 | Davide-NYC | I can;t stay but wanted to let the devs know that the H1x0 build do not compile for me. |
| 06:26:47 | Davide-NYC | CC debug_menu.c |
| 06:26:49 | Davide-NYC | debug_menu.c: In function `dbg_audio_thread': |
| 06:26:50 | Davide-NYC | debug_menu.c:332: error: `filebufused' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 06:26:52 | Davide-NYC | debug_menu.c:332: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 06:26:53 | Davide-NYC | debug_menu.c:332: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 06:26:55 | Davide-NYC | debug_menu.c:333: error: syntax error before '==' token |
| 06:26:56 | Davide-NYC | make[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-devel/sim.H1x0/apps/debug_menu.o] Error 1 |
| 06:26:58 | Davide-NYC | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 06:27:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | And you've made no modifications and are doing a normal build? |
| 06:27:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because the CVS build is fine. |
| 06:28:24 | Davide-NYC | I had a modified debug_menu.c file, but I updated it using cvs up -C debug_menu.c |
| 06:28:37 | Davide-NYC | I have now deleted it and am doing a cvs up -dP |
| 06:28:46 | Davide-NYC | (deleted just debug_menu.c |
| 06:28:48 | Davide-NYC | ) |
| 06:30:26 | Davide-NYC | Oh Paul, me thinks it works now |
| 06:31:05 | * | Davide-NYC duck |
| 06:31:14 | * | Davide-NYC shamed |
| 06:32:51 | Davide-NYC | 'night all |
| 06:32:55 | | Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") |
| 06:34:41 | | Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 06:42:11 | | Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:59 | | Join yipe [0] (n=yipely@12-207-158-232.client.mchsi.com) |
| 07:01:15 | yipe | hello everybody |
| 07:02:38 | yipe | I'm new to rockbox, and I've looked over the FAQs etc, and can't find this particular piece of info, so please for give me if this is an annoying question |
| 07:03:30 | yipe | since installing rockbox, everytime I plug in the USB cable on my ipod, it mounts my ipod as read-only (I'm on Ubuntu Linux btw) |
| 07:04:14 | yipe | I try to use chown and chmod so I can alter the ipod's drive, but it refuses to allow it |
| 07:05:13 | BigMac | hmm |
| 07:05:30 | BigMac | what happened to the zx spectrum viewer? |
| 07:18:41 | BigMac | wait is zxbox integrated in the source? |
| 07:20:55 | | Quit yipe (Remote closed the connection) |
| 07:25:29 | BHSPitMonkey | most things are |
| 07:28:50 | BigMac | I hate compiling |
| 07:29:06 | BigMac | it always asks me which file to patch |
| 07:29:10 | BigMac | and I have no idea |
| 07:29:38 | BHSPitMonkey | why do you have to compile |
| 07:30:12 | BigMac | because there are some patches not intergrated in the source which I find necessary |
| 07:30:20 | BHSPitMonkey | ah. |
| 07:30:32 | BigMac | The flyspray doesn't tell me which file to patch either |
| 07:30:41 | BHSPitMonkey | well, it's your prerogative to use those things |
| 07:30:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | The patches include the filenames of the file to patch in them |
| 07:30:56 | | Quit BHSPitMonkey ("Leaving") |
| 07:31:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | In fact if you apply them from the right place, they'll do it automatically |
| 07:31:45 | BigMac | I'm applying it from rockbox-devel like the guide told me |
| 07:32:02 | BigMac | and It keeps asking for the file to patch |
| 07:32:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | It depends on where they made the patch from. |
| 07:32:20 | BigMac | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5167 |
| 07:32:23 | | Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-169-210.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 07:32:25 | BigMac | that is the patch |
| 07:32:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | But even when it asks for what file to patch, it should *tell* you what file to patch on the screen. |
| 07:32:38 | BigMac | there are only 2 I need to patch |
| 07:32:44 | BigMac | I'll check the screen |
| 07:32:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | You consider *that* one "Necessary" to use Rockbox? |
| 07:33:02 | BigMac | that one? |
| 07:33:04 | BigMac | no |
| 07:33:11 | BigMac | I want to test it |
| 07:33:17 | BigMac | the other I find necessary |
| 07:33:32 | BigMac | it fixes flac searching problems on the 5g |
| 07:34:27 | BigMac | yah I don't see any specific file |
| 07:34:37 | Joely | BigMac, for that you need to patch from outside the directory |
| 07:34:47 | Joely | i think |
| 07:34:47 | BigMac | there are like 50 directories |
| 07:34:50 | BigMac | ok |
| 07:34:55 | BigMac | co cd.. |
| 07:34:55 | Joely | so cd ../ |
| 07:34:57 | Joely | yeah |
| 07:34:59 | BigMac | so |
| 07:35:03 | BigMac | k |
| 07:35:05 | BigMac | will do |
| 07:35:23 | Joely | did it work? |
| 07:35:44 | BigMac | we'll find out |
| 07:36:05 | Joely | and is your directory entitled rockbox-devel-gfxmenuplugin ? |
| 07:36:15 | Joely | it should be |
| 07:36:16 | Joely | ;) |
| 07:36:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:36:22 | BigMac | wait |
| 07:36:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well he could use the -p to strip levels |
| 07:36:35 | BigMac | I should make a new directory for it? |
| 07:36:39 | BigMac | and one hunk failed |
| 07:36:45 | BigMac | and one succeded |
| 07:36:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | So it's outdated |
| 07:37:03 | BigMac | aww ok |
| 07:37:15 | BigMac | is there anyway to remove the patch now? |
| 07:37:24 | Joely | no |
| 07:37:25 | Joely | !!! |
| 07:37:26 | Joely | it's not |
| 07:37:29 | Joely | hold on |
| 07:37:34 | Joely | the diff is messed up |
| 07:37:35 | Joely | hehe |
| 07:37:59 | Joely | rename your directory to rockbox-devel-gfxmenuplugin |
| 07:38:11 | Joely | and then apply the patch |
| 07:38:11 | BigMac | so not my fault completly |
| 07:38:17 | BigMac | ok |
| 07:38:20 | Joely | :) |
| 07:38:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Joely: Why would one hunk fail and one succeed if it's merely a pathing issue? Shouldn't it report that it couldn't find the file to patch? |
| 07:38:34 | BigMac | but that won't effect my other patch right? |
| 07:38:48 | Joely | Paul, because one line reads like this... |
| 07:38:52 | Joely | −−- rockbox-devel/apps/plugins/SOURCES2006-04-16 20:16:17.000000000 -0600 |
| 07:38:53 | Joely | +++ rockbox-devel-gfxmenuplugin/apps/plugins/SOURCES2006-04-25 |
| 07:39:16 | BigMac | ok and i still patch from outside the directory? |
| 07:39:19 | Joely | yes |
| 07:39:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Joely: Fair enough. It's still a six month old patch. |
| 07:39:36 | Joely | hehe |
| 07:40:09 | BigMac | ok |
| 07:40:11 | BigMac | error |
| 07:40:20 | Joely | well then |
| 07:40:21 | BigMac | Patch previously applied |
| 07:40:30 | Joely | oh then there you go |
| 07:40:32 | BigMac | Assume _r |
| 07:40:38 | BigMac | -r |
| 07:40:38 | BigMac | [n] |
| 07:40:41 | Joely | it's been updated |
| 07:40:56 | BigMac | so what do i type? |
| 07:41:09 | Joely | what are you trying to do with a six month old patch? |
| 07:41:10 | Joely | lol |
| 07:41:16 | Joely | sorry i came into this a little late |
| 07:41:24 | BigMac | patch the cvs:) |
| 07:41:24 | Joely | probably shouldn't have jumped in at all >< |
| 07:42:08 | | Part Paul_the_Nerd |
| 07:42:14 | Joely | oh no! |
| 07:42:18 | Joely | he left :( |
| 07:42:35 | Joely | i hope i didn't hurt his feelings |
| 07:46:32 | BigMac | anyway i can start with a clean source? |
| 07:46:55 | Joely | check it out again... |
| 07:48:01 | BigMac | check out what? |
| 07:48:05 | Joely | cvs |
| 07:48:10 | Joely | oh wait |
| 07:48:14 | Joely | did you code something? |
| 07:48:27 | BigMac | no just patching the source |
| 07:48:34 | BigMac | and only one patch worked |
| 07:49:00 | BigMac | all the other hunks only get like 2:7 |
| 07:49:05 | BigMac | so i just want a clean |
| 07:49:28 | Joely | recheck it out |
| 07:50:51 | hcs | is there any general file search functionality in rockbox? if I'm looking for a file with something in the name? |
| 07:51:15 | Joely | how would you input it? |
| 07:51:28 | hcs | same way you input any text... |
| 07:51:30 | Joely | sorry if i'm being stupid.... |
| 07:51:37 | | Part Jack |
| 07:51:46 | Joely | huh? you don't on an mp3 player... |
| 07:52:01 | scorche | there is a virtual keyboard that we use |
| 07:52:06 | Joely | REALLY!? |
| 07:52:10 | Joely | that's so cool |
| 07:52:12 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah... |
| 07:52:17 | scorche | looks like someone hasnt read the manual ;0 |
| 07:52:19 | BHSPitMonkey | it's actually quite tedious |
| 07:52:23 | scorche | ;) |
| 07:52:36 | BHSPitMonkey | iPL has a nice spread of TI methods |
| 07:52:59 | midkay_ | which are all quite tedious. |
| 07:53:27 | Joely | maybe you guys should make a voice recognition module :-D |
| 07:53:34 | Joely | WAIT |
| 07:53:38 | Joely | let me check the manual first |
| 07:53:43 | Joely | maybe it's already there... |
| 07:53:44 | Joely | haha |
| 07:54:00 | hcs | anyway, I repose my question, any file name searching outside of the tagcache? |
| 07:54:21 | midkay_ | um.. isn't there like a search.rock? |
| 07:54:43 | midkay_ | i don't remember any such thing working very effectively though.. or even doing general filesearching at all. |
| 07:54:51 | hcs | not in my install |
| 07:55:02 | hcs | which is full, I think |
| 07:55:09 | scorche | there is always the playlist search function |
| 07:55:21 | BHSPitMonkey | is this only a topic because it's in apple's new firmware |
| 07:55:23 | scorche | load everything into a playlist and search |
| 07:55:46 | hcs | ah, didn't know there was a playlist search fcn |
| 07:56:03 | hcs | thanks, that'll do nicely |
| 08:00 |
| 08:03:04 | | Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host57-204.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 08:04:22 | BigMac | do I type anything after make |
| 08:04:31 | BigMac | it keeps telling me it is missing something |
| 08:04:42 | BigMac | but the tutorial said just type make |
| 08:05:34 | midkay_ | uh. so... why are you reading the tutorial.. if you're not gonna follow it? |
| 08:05:36 | hcs | what does it tell you you are missing? |
| 08:06:02 | midkay_ | a tutorial describes what you need to do, it doesn't say some of the things you might want to do and go ask for the rest on IRC. follow the instructions and if you have a problem, go ahead and ask it. |
| 08:06:31 | aliask | midkay_: The database search was only for the old tagcache |
| 08:06:37 | BigMac | I did have a problem |
| 08:06:40 | BigMac | and did ask it |
| 08:06:57 | | Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzz") |
| 08:06:58 | midkay_ | aliask: it didn't work for me, so i assumed that. why's it in cvs? and are you talking about databox? |
| 08:07:26 | aliask | Yes, databox... I dunno why it hasn't been removed (maybe to remind people to adapt it for the new version of TC) |
| 08:08:26 | BigMac | eh i give |
| 08:08:40 | BigMac | I'll wait until they put the patch into the cvs |
| 08:08:44 | BigMac | it should already be there |
| 08:08:58 | scorche | if it should be, it would be |
| 08:09:13 | BigMac | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5892 |
| 08:09:23 | BigMac | Do you own an ipod? |
| 08:09:36 | scorche | i do |
| 08:09:42 | BigMac | searching through a flac file on it is horrible |
| 08:10:08 | scorche | whining to me about it will not help it get into CVS |
| 08:10:10 | BigMac | you skim to lets say 2:30 and it picks up playing at say 1:50 |
| 08:10:25 | BigMac | I'm just telling you your wrong |
| 08:10:34 | scorche | in your opinion |
| 08:10:42 | BigMac | it fixes the problem and should therefore be there |
| 08:11:18 | scorche | just because the current implementation is flawed, doesnt mean that a patch for it is right |
| 08:11:58 | scorche | an example of this would be the issue with the 4gs and crashing |
| 08:12:02 | scorche | there is a patch for it |
| 08:13:30 | scorche | there are reasons for it not being in CVS |
| 08:13:42 | scorche | same as there may be reasons why that patch is not in |
| 08:14:07 | | Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-233-214.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:14:42 | scorche | whether it is just that it is awaiting a dev to look at it, or not |
| 08:16:02 | | Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") |
| 08:21:05 | | Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) |
| 08:24:02 | | Join Kalthare [0] (n=kalthare@c-71-197-114-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:24:30 | * | Kalthare grumps |
| 08:27:29 | aliask | What's the matter you? |
| 08:28:00 | Kalthare | Bug-hunting. Isn't going well. |
| 08:28:20 | aliask | And there's nothing more fun than a bug you just can't kill. |
| 08:28:29 | Kalthare | Zactly. |
| 08:28:54 | Kalthare | I've actually found and fixed two bugs, but neither of them were causing the crash I'm having. |
| 08:28:55 | aliask | Is this more 5.5g madness? |
| 08:29:08 | Kalthare | Yup. |
| 08:29:21 | aliask | Awesome |
| 08:30:02 | | Join Larsie [0] (n=Larsie@53538563.cable.casema.nl) |
| 08:30:07 | Larsie | hi |
| 08:30:35 | Kalthare | Will be if it works. I'm starting to worry that this might be some kind of complicated race condition that's being triggered by the fact that minor accesses are transferring four times as much data as formerly. |
| 08:30:38 | Kalthare | Hi. |
| 08:32:26 | aliask | Could you just put some sleep()'s or udelay()'s in there to space it out and weed it out? |
| 08:34:16 | Kalthare | It freezes partway thru the loop in copy_read_sectors() in ata.c .. I've no idea why it would do that. |
| 08:37:32 | | Join rinat [0] (i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu) |
| 08:42:46 | aliask | iPod use the C version, not ASM right? |
| 08:43:21 | Kalthare | Right. |
| 08:44:21 | | Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 08:48:36 | aliask | What does taking it out of IRAM do? |
| 08:50:19 | Kalthare | Faster, I suppose. I'm not sure it applies to the iPod. |
| 08:51:29 | aliask | Damn, I wish I had a 5.5g to play with... |
| 08:52:55 | Kalthare | At this point I'm wishing I had a 5g. I wasn't actually looking for an interesting hacking project when I got this thing. |
| 08:53:47 | daurnimator | hi Kalthare |
| 08:53:57 | daurnimator | your the one wqorking on 5.5g? |
| 08:54:01 | Kalthare | yeah, that's me. |
| 08:54:39 | Kalthare | lucky, lucky me. |
| 08:55:00 | daurnimator | i'm thinking of buying one... but for the 80gb hdd |
| 08:55:32 | Kalthare | the 80GB isn't working at all right now −− some sort of ATA problem. |
| 08:55:59 | daurnimator | ? |
| 08:56:44 | | Quit Joely (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 08:56:53 | Kalthare | It won't even read the partition table. As far as I know, nobody's found out why yet. |
| 08:57:18 | daurnimator | has anyone here got/seen both 5mm & 8mm hdds? |
| 08:57:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | I've seen them briefly, why? |
| 08:58:28 | daurnimator | which way are they bulkier? (compared to connector) |
| 08:58:35 | daurnimator | towards label size |
| 08:58:37 | daurnimator | *side |
| 08:58:46 | daurnimator | other side |
| 08:58:47 | daurnimator | or evenly? |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | If I recall it was toward the label side, but I'm honestly not terribly sure. |
| 09:01:37 | | Join Joely [0] (n=Joely@adsl-70-131-135-79.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:01:53 | daurnimator | well |
| 09:02:03 | daurnimator | i'm not sure if i can squeeze one in or not |
| 09:02:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | In a what? |
| 09:02:24 | daurnimator | arhos gmini 402 |
| 09:06:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
| 09:06:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's got a single platter in it initially? |
| 09:08:55 | daurnimator | yes |
| 09:09:07 | daurnimator | but 20gb doesn't cut it |
| 09:09:13 | | Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) |
| 09:10:55 | | Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) |
| 09:13:41 | sneakums | last time i looked into putting a new drive into my h120, the biggest single-platter drives were 30G, which isn't really worth the time and money |
| 09:13:53 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 09:14:03 | daurnimator | biggest retail single is 30gb |
| 09:14:36 | daurnimator | though 40gb supposedly came out same time as 80gb - none hav e been seen |
| 09:14:45 | sneakums | re size, if you can find the spec sheets for the drives your considering they might have drawings in them |
| 09:14:49 | sneakums | er, you're |
| 09:17:34 | sneakums | there are drawings in the sheet for the 80G toshiba, but i can't quite parse them |
| 09:17:47 | | Join dan_a_afk [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) |
| 09:17:58 | | Nick dan_a_afk is now known as dan_a (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) |
| 09:18:15 | sneakums | i think the extra thickness is on the label side for this one though |
| 09:18:53 | Kalthare | Well, I'm out of ideas again. |
| 09:27:01 | | Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") |
| 09:33:39 | Kalthare | The main thing I don't understand is why Apple did this in the first place. They must've gone through this same crap with their firmware −− toward what purpose? |
| 09:33:57 | | Quit Joely (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 09:34:07 | Larsie | gehe |
| 09:34:15 | Larsie | maybe it was cheaper? |
| 09:34:30 | scorche | companies like apple dont realize that firmwares like rockbox can turn people to buy their product |
| 09:34:49 | scorche | and instead focus on them losing control |
| 09:34:59 | Larsie | well, even if they did, we're only a small part of the buyers ;) |
| 09:35:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Well there is the belief that we increase their support costs |
| 09:35:19 | scorche | ah...that too |
| 09:35:37 | Kalthare | I don't think this is an anti-third-party measure. It's not a very effective one. |
| 09:35:58 | scorche | but then they just go the iriver route and deny claims that are anything even close to rockbox cause failures |
| 09:36:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kalthare: Well it seems to have made it more difficult, at no real cost to their software's effectiveness. |
| 09:36:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:36:58 | Kalthare | Paul_the_Nerd: For us, yes, but this should barely be any obstacle at all to iPod Linux. |
| 09:37:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kalthare: Wouldn't they still have problems getting their bootloader started? |
| 09:37:28 | Larsie | But with the 80GB version, does it also use a different firmware or is it just included in all firmwares (sorry i'm ipod noob) |
| 09:38:22 | Kalthare | Paul_the_Nerd: Does their bootloader use Linux's FAT driver? |
| 09:38:22 | | Quit jborn__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 09:38:37 | Kalthare | Larsie: I think they've traditionally put out a different binary for every model. |
| 09:38:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kalthare: I honestly don't know. It supports HFS+, so it might. |
| 09:39:03 | | Join jborn__ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 09:39:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kalthare: Either way, I think Rockbox has been more noted than iPodLinux. Notice that Apple *finally* did gapless playback after we showed up with it, and they showed up with a game list suspiciously reminiscent of ours. |
| 09:40:23 | | Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) |
| 09:41:19 | Larsie | gehe, they said the 'old' generation wasn't powerfull enough or something like that |
| 09:42:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | I wonder if there is some hardware differences, since the 5.5g gets the Search feature, and the 5 doesn't. I mean, is Apple just lying outright? |
| 09:42:24 | Larsie | but afaik they are the only brand producing DAP's with gapless in the stockfirmware |
| 09:42:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Larsie: The Rio Karma had gapless ages ago, I believe. Or some other player. |
| 09:42:57 | Larsie | a ok |
| 09:43:01 | Kalthare | Yeah, it was the Karma. |
| 09:43:18 | Larsie | but it's out of production |
| 09:43:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Gapless doesn't really require any particularly powerful processor. |
| 09:43:27 | Larsie | so not a real option :P |
| 09:44:04 | Larsie | off-course not, it's just loading the data of the next song in the buffer like nothing happend |
| 09:44:08 | Larsie | well not that easy |
| 09:44:25 | Kalthare | Actually, I wound up caught in the middle of this whole Rockbox/5.5 thing because my Karma's battery swelled up and crushed the hard drive. |
| 09:44:37 | Larsie | :( |
| 09:45:03 | Kalthare | Apparently EVERY Karma is doing this. So even used ones aren't really an option at this point. |
| 09:45:12 | Larsie | I know how you feel, my iriver H320 died because someone dropped it :( |
| 09:45:18 | Kalthare | Anyway, you know what? Apple's gapless playback? SUCKS. |
| 09:45:20 | Larsie | now I have a Sansa e250 |
| 09:45:23 | | Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) |
| 09:45:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's because Apple Gapless is faked right? |
| 09:45:40 | | Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) |
| 09:45:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | They try to detect trailing gaps, rather than just playing the true track length? |
| 09:46:07 | Larsie | :X |
| 09:46:27 | Larsie | that's more like cross-fading |
| 09:46:32 | Kalthare | I've heard about that, but what I'm referring to is the fact that it fails to gapless at least as often as it succeeds. |
| 09:46:49 | amiconn | The old archos DAPs all did proper gapless |
| 09:46:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | If it can "fail" then it's definitely trying to detect *something* |
| 09:47:36 | aliask | Could just be a buffering inadequacy |
| 09:48:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | I guess it depends what the failures are like |
| 09:49:21 | Kalthare | I think it's a little from column A, and a little from column B. |
| 09:49:29 | * | Paul_the_Nerd shrugs |
| 09:49:35 | Larsie | hmmz, is it just me or is the Cygwin environment a lot less cpu intensive |
| 09:49:40 | aliask | Well, at least they tried. |
| 09:49:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think maybe the problem is they don't really understand what people want in "gapless" |
| 09:50:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because "gapless" is a misleading term, since it sounds like it means "no gaps, ever" |
| 09:50:46 | Larsie | yeah but silence is not a gap |
| 09:50:54 | Larsie | in a song at least |
| 09:51:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | But a lot of people don't catch that. |
| 09:51:18 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 09:51:24 | daurnimator | boom boom karma? |
| 09:52:02 | Kalthare | I think it understands LAME gapless tags, incidentally. |
| 09:52:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's good |
| 09:52:32 | daurnimator | LAME gapless tags? wtf are they |
| 09:53:37 | Kalthare | LAME is an MP3 encoder.. and it can tag files with info for properly gapkilling them |
| 09:54:25 | Larsie | but that's not real gapless too, because it just cuts the last parts of songs, right? |
| 09:54:33 | | Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-169-210.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 09:55:01 | Larsie | it sounds kind of pointless, you could better just cut off the silence, saves a few KB :P |
| 09:55:50 | Kalthare | The problem is that MP3s end on a frame boundary, rather than the actual exact time the original track ended. That's why gapkilling is an interesting problem. |
| 09:56:10 | Kalthare | LAME puts a tag in there that says, to players that understand it, where in the last frame the track is _supposed_ to end. |
| 09:56:26 | daurnimator | hmm |
| 09:56:40 | daurnimator | do other formats have the same thing, or is it not an issue? |
| 09:56:53 | amiconn | A DAP should both never add silence samples where they don't belong, nor remove any such samples if they belong to the track. That's proper gapless, everything else is faking, imho |
| 09:57:11 | Larsie | agree |
| 09:57:40 | Kalthare | The problem is that with MP3 it can be hard to know which silence samples are supposed to be there. |
| 09:58:11 | Kalthare | Ogg has official gapkill support. Other formats, I don't know. |
| 09:58:23 | amiconn | The LAME tag is sort of an extension to the mp3 format. Mp3 data comes in frames of constant length. The lame tag tells the decoder where in the last farme the track really ends |
| 09:59:33 | amiconn | It is possible to have true gapless with mp3 and without LAME tag support, but then the tracklengths of an album need to be adjusted a tiny bit (a few milliseconds) in order to make the tracks end on a frame boundary |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:37 | Kalthare | Though there's still the risk that a gapkiller will assume that silence should be removed. |
| 10:01:02 | amiconn | Proper gapless never needs a 'gapkiller' |
| 10:01:32 | Kalthare | We were discussing Apple's implementation of such, originally. |
| 10:01:39 | amiconn | Apart from that, it is _not possible_ that a part of an mp3 frame is true silence, while another part of the same frame is not |
| 10:01:58 | amiconn | ...because of how mp3 works |
| 10:02:07 | | Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 10:02:43 | daurnimator | well, anyway |
| 10:02:54 | daurnimator | i'm in a predicament |
| 10:03:09 | daurnimator | do i upgrade hdd or buy a new player? |
| 10:03:25 | Kalthare | amiconn: This is changing the subject, but is it possible there's a race condition in the ATA code that would occur because small accesses are pulling 4 sectors instead of 1? |
| 10:06:38 | Larsie | daurnimator: depends on how much you want to spen |
| 10:06:48 | Larsie | spend* |
| 10:06:50 | daurnimator | as little as possible |
| 10:06:53 | Larsie | gehe |
| 10:07:01 | Larsie | then I would go for a HD |
| 10:07:16 | Larsie | or, a secondhanded DAP |
| 10:07:21 | daurnimator | but, theres the risk it won't fit in my player |
| 10:07:39 | daurnimator | i would get a secondhand dap, if you could point me to nice ones |
| 10:07:53 | Larsie | H340, Iaudio X5 |
| 10:08:18 | Larsie | 80GB HDD's fit into the iriver H340 |
| 10:08:28 | Larsie | i'm not sure of the X5 |
| 10:09:15 | daurnimator | i want 60gb+ |
| 10:09:17 | Larsie | H140 is also an option, but they're expensive, even second hand |
| 10:09:38 | Larsie | H340 are quite cheap |
| 10:10:01 | Larsie | for around 150 euro's you can get one in good condition |
| 10:10:29 | Larsie | then you only need to buy a 80GB HD which cost's about as much as the whole DAP :P |
| 10:10:42 | Larsie | but you could sell your old DAP, right? |
| 10:11:12 | Larsie | and you could sell the old HD |
| 10:11:48 | Larsie | I was planning on buying a second DAP |
| 10:12:17 | daurnimator | na |
| 10:12:21 | daurnimator | can't sell old dap |
| 10:12:26 | Larsie | gehe |
| 10:12:44 | scorche | daurnimator: if you want space, and want it cheap, there are always the archos recorders =) |
| 10:13:00 | daurnimator | i want to fit it in my pocket |
| 10:13:04 | Larsie | :') |
| 10:13:10 | daurnimator | no larger than H340 if possible |
| 10:13:16 | scorche | wear cargo pants |
| 10:13:29 | amiconn | Kalthare: I doubt that. The ata code uses a mutex to serialise accesses |
| 10:13:35 | Larsie | or buy a hammer >:) |
| 10:13:39 | daurnimator | scorche: then i'd have to buy pants - which costs lots |
| 10:13:45 | | Join fulhack [0] (n=E@217-208-218-176-no37.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 10:14:12 | scorche | honestly, yeah they are pretty big, but it still fits in any of my pockets |
| 10:14:24 | Larsie | hmm |
| 10:14:31 | | Part Paul_the_Nerd |
| 10:14:46 | Larsie | I'll check how much they cost here (the Netherlands) |
| 10:15:01 | scorche | you are going to have to get one on ebay |
| 10:15:15 | Larsie | yeah I know |
| 10:15:46 | daurnimator | ouch |
| 10:15:51 | daurnimator | iaudios are expensive |
| 10:15:57 | Larsie | jukebox 20 for 100 euro;s |
| 10:16:03 | Larsie | yeah I know |
| 10:16:24 | Larsie | but they're the only truly good DAP's at the moment imho |
| 10:16:28 | amiconn | Kalthare: Do we know for sure whether the cpu in the 5.5g is really the same as in the 5g (PP5021), i.e. did someone open a 5.5g and check? |
| 10:16:42 | Larsie | shame the H320/H340 is out of production |
| 10:16:48 | amiconn | Larsie: player or recorder? |
| 10:17:00 | Larsie | no clue :P |
| 10:17:00 | scorche | if you are decent at soldering, there is a very good chance that broken ones are an easy fix |
| 10:17:16 | daurnimator | well, how much is a 80gb hdd? |
| 10:17:26 | scorche | what type? |
| 10:17:40 | daurnimator | 1.6" |
| 10:17:44 | daurnimator | 1.8" |
| 10:18:06 | Larsie | I'm used to soldering |
| 10:18:11 | Larsie | not very good at it |
| 10:18:18 | amiconn | It quite some difference. Archos recorder 20 has USB2.0, the models with less capacity only have USB1.1. Archos Player/Studio is always USB1.1 only. |
| 10:18:32 | Larsie | it's the studio |
| 10:18:34 | daurnimator | man |
| 10:18:40 | scorche | amiconn: not necessarily |
| 10:18:41 | Larsie | hmm |
| 10:18:43 | daurnimator | archos made awesome plaeyrs till this year |
| 10:18:53 | Larsie | i'll look for some broken ones :) |
| 10:19:00 | Larsie | PMA430 |
| 10:19:01 | amiconn | In addition, the USB1.1 bridge isn't fully mass storage compatible so it requires special drivers |
| 10:19:10 | scorche | recorders < 20 arent always 1.1 |
| 10:19:21 | Larsie | ok thanks for the tip :) |
| 10:19:41 | scorche | see my note in DeviceChart |
| 10:20:20 | amiconn | Yes, there's rumour that some recorder 15 's are usb2.0 too, |
| 10:20:28 | scorche | it isnt a rumor |
| 10:20:29 | scorche | i have one |
| 10:20:40 | amiconn | oh |
| 10:21:00 | daurnimator | arg |
| 10:21:01 | | Join Joely [0] (n=eliveuse@adsl-70-131-135-79.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:21:02 | scorche | and i have 2 other 15s that arent ;) |
| 10:21:11 | daurnimator | new player: $230 |
| 10:21:13 | amiconn | I only knew of people who relied on a recorder 15 being USB2.0, and were unlucky |
| 10:21:19 | daurnimator | 80gb hdd: $280 |
| 10:21:20 | Larsie | and what's the sound like on archos recorders? |
| 10:21:35 | Larsie | comparable to Iaudio X5/iriver H320 |
| 10:21:36 | Larsie | ? |
| 10:21:42 | scorche | quite good |
| 10:21:45 | amiconn | Better, definitely |
| 10:21:53 | amiconn | At least better than iriver |
| 10:21:59 | scorche | amiconn: as I say in the note, there are visual differences on the case |
| 10:22:06 | amiconn | The only drawback is that they are mp2/mp3 only |
| 10:22:21 | Larsie | yeah, HW decoding :( |
| 10:22:25 | scorche | well, there is a wav viewer, but not full functionality |
| 10:22:27 | amiconn | But with rockbox, you can also play wav |
| 10:22:37 | amiconn | Not in the core yet, but that is planned |
| 10:22:49 | daurnimator | is there any1 here that wants to work on a new target? |
| 10:22:58 | daurnimator | no fact finding missions needed |
| 10:23:05 | daurnimator | i have all the info - hw addr etc |
| 10:23:15 | daurnimator | just.. no time to do the port |
| 10:23:23 | scorche | daurnimator: it is very hard when you dont have the actual device... |
| 10:23:33 | amiconn | [10:21:59] <scorche> amiconn: as I say in the note, there are visual differences on the case <= yes I know |
| 10:23:43 | Kalthare | amiconn: I have no idea... |
| 10:23:46 | Larsie | well, if you're volunteering, help the sansa e200 series :P |
| 10:24:10 | Joely | yeah yeah! sansa e200!!! that's fun :) |
| 10:24:11 | amiconn | Kalthare: Well, someone should do that. |
| 10:24:41 | * | amiconn opened his mini2g less than a day after he got it |
| 10:24:47 | Larsie | gehe |
| 10:24:58 | Kalthare | I suppose there's no way to identify it from software? |
| 10:25:29 | Larsie | hmmz |
| 10:25:39 | daurnimator | amiconn: someone checked |
| 10:25:43 | Larsie | archos jukebox studio 10 for just 20 euro's |
| 10:25:45 | daurnimator | saw it in a review |
| 10:25:56 | Kalthare | I'm.. hesitant. I'm already worried I'm sacrificing my iPod to the cause, with all that debugging output I put in the copy_read_sectors() loop |
| 10:26:03 | scorche | Larsie: you do not want the studios....recorders are the ones |
| 10:27:02 | Larsie | even not for 20 euro's ? |
| 10:27:19 | scorche | well...they have a charcell display |
| 10:27:22 | scorche | 2 lines |
| 10:27:33 | scorche | among other differences... |
| 10:27:36 | Larsie | but the sound quality? |
| 10:27:38 | * | amiconn actually prefers the studio over the recorder for in-car use |
| 10:28:02 | scorche | i still would rather have the functionality...you can always change the font |
| 10:29:10 | | Join Injection [0] (n=mitchell@cor6-ppp3390.for.dsl.connect.net.au) |
| 10:29:11 | amiconn | scorche: It's not the font (I am using a quite biig font when I'm using any of my bitmapped daps in the car). The buttons are fewer and larger, so they're easier to operate without looking at the device (with the voice ui) |
| 10:29:23 | Injection | hi |
| 10:29:27 | Larsie | hi |
| 10:29:49 | Injection | does anyone no if there is going to be a rockbox for creative zen vision m |
| 10:29:49 | scorche | amiconn: to each, his own =) |
| 10:29:53 | amiconn | Larsie: Sound quality is about equal, as long as it's not one of the early player models, which had a distinct lack of bass |
| 10:30:28 | Larsie | ty, I'll probably just use it with my amp at home |
| 10:30:39 | amiconn | And the player/studio hardware has less options to adjust the sound. Just volume, balance, treble, bass |
| 10:30:43 | Larsie | so I don't need any fancy features |
| 10:30:46 | Larsie | hmm |
| 10:30:53 | Injection | could anyone work on trying to put rockbox on creative zen vision m |
| 10:31:20 | amiconn | Yeah, then the player/studio has a separate line out which can be useful when connecting it to a stereo |
| 10:31:25 | daurnimator | Injection: well, someone with hw details needs to provide info first |
| 10:31:32 | Larsie | Injection, I don't think so, creative uses TI chips which are undocumented and no compilers avalable |
| 10:31:47 | amiconn | Unlike the iriver h1x0/h300, this is a true line out with constant level |
| 10:31:52 | daurnimator | Larsie: which chip? |
| 10:32:03 | Injection | so its not going to happen? |
| 10:32:10 | Larsie | cpu at least |
| 10:32:18 | Larsie | Texas Instruments |
| 10:32:22 | daurnimator | Injection: it happens when a person is dedicated to the cause |
| 10:32:26 | daurnimator | Larsie: WHICH chipset? |
| 10:32:32 | Kalthare | I'm looking at an image of the inside of an iPod 5.5G.. I see the Broadcom chip, but I can't identify the PP chip.. |
| 10:32:35 | amiconn | Kalthare: This is actually my mini2g: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IPodMini2GInfo :) |
| 10:32:35 | daurnimator | dm320? |
| 10:32:39 | daurnimator | dm270? |
| 10:32:40 | Larsie | I don't know exactly |
| 10:32:44 | | Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) |
| 10:32:46 | Kalthare | I don't know if it's even in the pic.. |
| 10:32:52 | Larsie | but TI is closed, right? |
| 10:32:56 | amiconn | Kalthare: link? |
| 10:33:07 | daurnimator | Larsie: depends on the chip |
| 10:33:09 | Injection | dam who could i ask if they could make one because im willingto pay alot |
| 10:33:20 | Kalthare | amiconn: http://www.appleinsider.com/image.php?i=ipod-vid-55-td-lb&id=2052&pe=1 |
| 10:33:44 | amiconn | PP5021C-TDF |
| 10:33:49 | amiconn | Upper left corner.. |
| 10:33:51 | daurnimator | eg, my device has a dm320 - the main processor is a plain old ARM9 - there is a gcc port, but it has a c54xx DSP that is closed |
| 10:34:08 | Kalthare | Ohh. Right. |
| 10:34:11 | amiconn | So it's indeed the same as in the old 5g |
| 10:34:45 | daurnimator | noone listens to me - do they |
| 10:34:53 | Injection | so does anyone no who could i ppay? |
| 10:35:34 | Joely | you could buy the `rights' to the proprietary toolchain for the ti dsp |
| 10:35:38 | Joely | haha |
| 10:35:48 | Kalthare | Anyway, it's crashing mid-loop in copy_read_sectors() on a group of 4 sectors which it had already read successfully many times. I am at an utter loss. |
| 10:36:05 | amiconn | Kalthare: the ata interface is part of the PP, so we have 2 mysteries to solve iiuc: (1) why does it hang _occasionally_ on the 30GB model with the 2K sector patch? (2) why does it hang completely on the 80GB model? |
| 10:36:37 | Kalthare | amiconn: I've heard that on the 80GB it actually returns an error code.. |
| 10:36:40 | sneakums | amiconn: i wouldn't call the 80G situation a hang as such, since it gets through the read |
| 10:36:45 | | Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 10:36:54 | sneakums | but status is set to STATUS_ERR |
| 10:37:07 | sneakums | i posted everything i learned (which isn't much) to rockbox-dev |
| 10:37:18 | amiconn | daurnimator: Yes, the problem is that the dsp part is closed. When the audio hardware is attached to the dsp part, data has to go through the dsp in order to play and record |
| 10:38:12 | Larsie | but isn't it then possible to let some kind of 'sniffer' run alongside the original FW and find out how it works? |
| 10:38:22 | | Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") |
| 10:38:36 | sneakums | i was thinking of dumping the identify info the drive returns, perhaps the drive has some quirk or other that needs to be accounted for |
| 10:39:54 | amiconn | Larsie: Perhaps. But that won't help much, at least with the older incarnations of the ti chip |
| 10:40:11 | sneakums | i did try sticking usleeps in various places in the ATA code in case it was a timing problem, but no dice of course |
| 10:40:39 | amiconn | There is a reason why there is a dsp part - the arm core isn't powerful enough to do all decoding related tasks |
| 10:42:26 | Kalthare | The thing is, it's quite a reliable hang. It always hangs after starting playback, reading the /.rockbox directory, called from update_short_entry() to write the new filesize while closing the .playlist.whatever file. |
| 10:42:29 | Injection | lol i just tried putting that rockbox-2.5-install.exe on my zen but didnt work |
| 10:44:14 | | Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) |
| 10:46:44 | * | amiconn wonders whether mtools is capable of creating a partition with 2K virtual sectors on an usb drive which is presented with native 512 byte sectors to the pc |
| 10:47:00 | amiconn | Then the 2K sector patch could be tested on any rockboxable dap |
| 10:47:02 | daurnimator | amiconn: surely just getting the gui going first would be ok, there are ways to get audio output |
| 10:47:37 | Kalthare | amiconn: Sure, it can do that. |
| 10:48:02 | Kalthare | amiconn: You could most likely even access it from the normal fs driver. |
| 10:48:35 | * | amiconn has an extra 2.5" disk laying around that he could swap into his player or recorder without deleting anything from the 'normal' disk |
| 10:48:42 | Kalthare | The version of the patch that's currently up has a nasty write bug, tho. |
| 10:49:10 | amiconn | Kalthare: Why do you think it would work this way round when the other situation doesn't work? |
| 10:49:51 | amiconn | Hmm, it would be even simpler to use the fat test code :) |
| 10:50:02 | Kalthare | amiconn: Because the error Linux gave me when I tried it the other way around was that the virtual sector size wasn't a multiple of the physical sector size. |
| 10:50:06 | fulhack | neah |
| 10:50:08 | fulhack | scarface |
| 10:50:09 | fulhack | nba |
| 10:50:10 | fulhack | ffa |
| 10:50:13 | fulhack | tigheer woods |
| 10:50:16 | fulhack | just cause |
| 10:50:28 | Kalthare | Which is why I figure iPod Linux probably already works. |
| 10:51:01 | amiconn | iPo linux uses the linux fat driver. Rockbox has its own, very lightweight fat driver |
| 10:51:08 | fulhack | Oh, damn. wrong window. Sorry guys. |
| 10:51:12 | Kalthare | Well, exactly. |
| 10:51:20 | amiconn | We didn't have to deal with unusual sector sizes so far |
| 10:52:04 | amiconn | Did you have a look at firmware/test/fat/ ? |
| 10:52:13 | Kalthare | No, I didn't. What's it do? |
| 10:52:33 | amiconn | This is old fat driver test code which runs as a plain commandline program |
| 10:52:42 | Kalthare | Hm, cool. |
| 10:52:45 | amiconn | ...simulating the partition within a file |
| 10:54:00 | Kalthare | Hmmmm... it still doesn't write the tag cache, either. |
| 10:54:02 | amiconn | It was again helpful ~1.5 years ago when debugging fat16 support |
| 10:54:26 | Kalthare | I'll certainly look into it. Thank you. |
| 10:55:39 | daurnimator | so, uh, could someone do or at least help me with a port? |
| 10:56:11 | Larsie | ehm |
| 10:56:14 | Larsie | which port? |
| 10:56:23 | daurnimator | archos gmini 40 |
| 10:56:24 | daurnimator | 2 |
| 10:56:36 | Larsie | the one with the camera? |
| 10:56:47 | * | Kalthare turns on dircache, on a lark. Watches it crash the same way again. Turns it off. |
| 10:57:15 | daurnimator | uh |
| 10:57:20 | Larsie | why the 402? |
| 10:57:24 | daurnimator | theres a camera, and a noncamera model |
| 10:57:34 | Larsie | gehe |
| 10:57:41 | Larsie | would be cool |
| 10:57:42 | daurnimator | Larsie: cause i own it, and its a very awesome player |
| 10:57:46 | Larsie | :) |
| 10:58:13 | Larsie | I would like to help but I don't think I can |
| 10:58:18 | daurnimator | the 2 problems i have with it: only 20gb hdd, no ogg playback |
| 10:58:26 | daurnimator | rockbox can fix 1 |
| 10:58:30 | Larsie | I'm unexperienced and I don't have the player |
| 10:59:27 | | Join bluebrother [0] (i=bSMfqRRG@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 10:59:40 | daurnimator | the noncamera: http://www.archos.com/img/gaya_prod/fam_g402.jpg |
| 10:59:44 | daurnimator | arg |
| 10:59:49 | Kalthare | Well, I'll certainly do my best to get firmware/test/fat/ working. Bringing gdb in on this would make my life SO many times easier. |
| 10:59:54 | daurnimator | http://www.archos.com/products/video/gmini_402_cam/index.html?country=global&lang=en |
| 10:59:55 | daurnimator | arg |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:04 | daurnimator | thats the camera |
| 11:00:14 | daurnimator | the non camera: http://www.archos.com/products/video/gmini_402/index.html?country=global&lang=en |
| 11:00:18 | Larsie | yeah I know them |
| 11:00:41 | Larsie | I have had one to play with in a shop a long time ago |
| 11:00:57 | Larsie | I didn't understand the menu |
| 11:01:04 | daurnimator | ? |
| 11:01:05 | Larsie | but that doesn't matter |
| 11:01:06 | Larsie | :P |
| 11:01:46 | Larsie | but you can load 3rd party plugins on the gmini 402? |
| 11:01:54 | daurnimator | pretty simple ... dpad to choose an option out of the nine - then dpad to choose the file to play |
| 11:02:01 | Larsie | hmm |
| 11:02:22 | Larsie | I think it was a faulty player, because we couldn't switch it off either |
| 11:02:23 | Larsie | :P |
| 11:02:32 | daurnimator | hold off for 3 seconds |
| 11:02:35 | Larsie | we did |
| 11:02:36 | Larsie | :P |
| 11:02:48 | Larsie | tried that at least 5 times |
| 11:02:50 | daurnimator | well, theres an exploit |
| 11:03:14 | Larsie | but rockbox would be nicer off-course |
| 11:03:31 | daurnimator | i run medios through it |
| 11:04:01 | daurnimator | though |
| 11:04:07 | daurnimator | i bootloader would be nice |
| 11:04:14 | daurnimator | but... i don't want to risk bricking |
| 11:04:28 | Larsie | is there a JTAG or ICE interface? |
| 11:05:49 | | Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.170) |
| 11:06:09 | Larsie | I can't find any pics of the inside |
| 11:06:13 | | Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) |
| 11:06:26 | Larsie | so you'd at least have to open it |
| 11:07:52 | daurnimator | i have |
| 11:07:54 | daurnimator | many times |
| 11:08:00 | Larsie | :) |
| 11:08:12 | Larsie | what kind of cpu does it have? |
| 11:08:20 | daurnimator | dm320 |
| 11:08:27 | daurnimator | but, cpu is ARM9 |
| 11:08:50 | Larsie | dm320 is open? |
| 11:08:57 | Larsie | or not? |
| 11:09:30 | daurnimator | cpu is open |
| 11:09:33 | daurnimator | dsp is closed |
| 11:09:41 | Larsie | arg |
| 11:09:42 | daurnimator | but, don't worry about the dsp side of things |
| 11:09:47 | Larsie | ow ok |
| 11:09:53 | daurnimator | i have ways to get around it |
| 11:10:17 | Larsie | well start decompiling then :) |
| 11:10:26 | daurnimator | decompiling |
| 11:10:29 | daurnimator | ? |
| 11:10:35 | Larsie | reverse engineering |
| 11:10:43 | daurnimator | what? and why |
| 11:10:51 | Larsie | to find out more things |
| 11:10:57 | Larsie | about lcd and stuff |
| 11:12:03 | daurnimator | we already have access to detailks |
| 11:12:17 | Larsie | oh |
| 11:12:20 | Larsie | where? |
| 11:12:24 | Larsie | I can't find it |
| 11:13:09 | Larsie | BTW, any sansa e200 owners in here? |
| 11:13:16 | Joely | yup yup! me! |
| 11:13:22 | Larsie | The new firmware update is brilijant |
| 11:13:27 | Larsie | -i |
| 11:13:35 | Larsie | EQ sounds so much better |
| 11:13:57 | Larsie | have you tried it? |
| 11:14:41 | daurnimator | Larsie: do you want an example of a sort of hello world program? |
| 11:15:11 | Joely | nope, not yet....only thing i did with it today was take it apart again, try to figure out the spacing of the jtag pads and then ordered my arm jtag wiggler |
| 11:15:29 | Larsie | daurnimator: so, you're saying you can already compile and display things |
| 11:15:29 | | Quit scorche (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 11:15:33 | daurnimator | yes |
| 11:15:56 | | Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-224.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 11:15:57 | Larsie | well, then the rockboxport should be easy, shouldn't it? |
| 11:16:02 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 11:16:05 | Larsie | :) |
| 11:16:06 | daurnimator | thats what i'm saying |
| 11:16:14 | daurnimator | but i don't have the time |
| 11:16:21 | Larsie | is there a page with specs about that? |
| 11:16:43 | daurnimator | not really |
| 11:16:49 | Joely | ... |
| 11:17:08 | * | Joely is confused... |
| 11:17:56 | daurnimator | hello world type devkit: http://sfx.gligli.free.fr/gmini/402/402_1311_exploit_sourcecode_v2.zip |
| 11:18:08 | | Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) |
| 11:18:12 | Larsie | nice |
| 11:18:48 | Larsie | Joely: I have no experience with JTAG, I'm reading myself about it at the moment :P |
| 11:25:12 | daurnimator | so |
| 11:25:21 | daurnimator | any1 willing to do an "easy", "quick" port? |
| 11:26:03 | Joely | if i got one! |
| 11:26:04 | Joely | haha |
| 11:26:11 | Joely | hmm how much do they cost? |
| 11:26:23 | daurnimator | bout $220 new |
| 11:26:28 | amiconn | Rockbox ports aren neither easy nor quick, even if much of the hardware is already known |
| 11:26:29 | daurnimator | (if you shop around) |
| 11:26:34 | | Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) |
| 11:27:04 | daurnimator | amiconn: people have told me it would be those things - thats why they're in quotes ;) |
| 11:28:30 | daurnimator | Joely: you can find them from $150 second hand |
| 11:29:01 | | Quit Larsie ("Ik ga weg") |
| 11:32:03 | Injection | can anyone make rockbox for creative zen vision m |
| 11:32:12 | Injection | willing to pay alot |
| 11:33:09 | Injection | anyon |
| 11:33:18 | daurnimator | Injection: if mine gets ported, the zen m should be easier than now |
| 11:34:21 | Injection | really |
| 11:34:27 | Injection | so its possible |
| 11:34:28 | Injection | ? |
| 11:35:43 | | Join GFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-123-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:36:10 | daurnimator | well, its possible |
| 11:36:11 | Joely | why doesn't the rockbox community just drop the whole reverse engineering thing....i dunno it seems like a waste of time to me now...wouldn't it be better spent developing a new player? one that's open design hardware and software on it? i know they started that opengraphics project where they're using an fpga to make graphics cards...why not start that for jukeboxes? |
| 11:36:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:36:41 | | Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 11:36:45 | daurnimator | but, without lots of interest - by people with at least some programming ability, its not going to happen |
| 11:37:14 | daurnimator | Joely: cause there are no open source players - the only way to do things is via reverse engineering |
| 11:37:23 | Injection | so if urs get ported it will be easier |
| 11:37:54 | daurnimator | Joely: note: neuros have a totally open player planned - i'm working on it with them |
| 11:37:56 | scorche | Joely: some people are actually doing that....but the issue is, they will not be *near* as popular as anything that is commercially released...and it isnt like we do rockbox just for ourselves |
| 11:38:00 | amiconn | Joely: This idea was already being discussed several times. Check the ml archive |
| 11:38:21 | Joely | ohh cool! |
| 11:38:22 | Joely | ok |
| 11:38:27 | scorche | and the new ports forum |
| 11:38:56 | daurnimator | Joely: join #neuros if you wish |
| 11:39:15 | amiconn | There are far more arguments that speak against it than those which speak for it |
| 11:40:14 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, what do you think only boosting cpu in playback.c / pcmbuf.c and let scheduler do unboosting? That would greatly simplify the code |
| 11:40:57 | amiconn | Very bad idea imho |
| 11:40:59 | | Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:41:02 | Slasheri | hmm, why? |
| 11:41:50 | Slasheri | it decreases code complexity instead of increasing it |
| 11:42:17 | amiconn | (1) The scheduler is for scheduling. (2) The cpu should be unboosted only if _all_ threads agree on that. |
| 11:42:18 | Slasheri | and would make sure cpu doesn't remain boosted |
| 11:42:35 | amiconn | How would the scheduler know when to unboost? |
| 11:42:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: of course, if cpu is boosted externally by cpu_boost, scheduler wouldn't touch that |
| 11:42:53 | amiconn | ? |
| 11:43:03 | Slasheri | it would unboost only if cpu was boosted by trigger_cpu_boost() |
| 11:43:12 | Slasheri | and when all threads are sleeping |
| 11:43:47 | Slasheri | scheduler knows it best when no threads are running |
| 11:43:53 | amiconn | Some code needs the CPU boosted all the time even if all threads are sleeping |
| 11:44:00 | | Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") |
| 11:44:10 | Slasheri | then that code should call cpu_boost(true); .. cpu_boost(false); |
| 11:44:19 | Slasheri | and it works |
| 11:44:32 | amiconn | ...and unboosting in the scheduler can lead to very frequent boosting/unboosting, which should be avoided at all cost |
| 11:44:49 | | Quit gtkspert ("leaving") |
| 11:45:03 | Slasheri | how is that possible if only audio thread uses that trigger_cpu_boost()? |
| 11:45:09 | Slasheri | it will not unboost until buffer is full |
| 11:45:45 | Slasheri | also any other code could use it if it needs boosting until job is done (no sleeping between) |
| 11:46:12 | amiconn | Hmm, still sounds rather strange to me |
| 11:46:31 | * | amiconn would prefer to get his buffer ram back :( |
| 11:46:32 | Slasheri | i think it just makes things simple :) |
| 11:46:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: i will do that soon, before anything else :) |
| 11:48:54 | amiconn | Hmm. I guess I would have to see the changes in order to judge them |
| 11:49:28 | Slasheri | hehe, true. I will show a patch soon, it has mostly just removed code in it :) |
| 11:49:42 | | Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) |
| 11:49:51 | amiconn | To make it more logical, the boost call should probably be part of the scheduler code as well (thread.c) |
| 11:50:02 | * | Kalthare ponders having his patch add his name to the credits. |
| 11:50:12 | | Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") |
| 11:50:34 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, there would be only boost call in thread.c (trigger_cpu_boost() or whatever its name would be) |
| 11:50:48 | Slasheri | and no calls to do unboosting because that would be handled automatically |
| 11:51:19 | amiconn | Hmm, there's still a situation where it wouldn't unboost even if it should |
| 11:51:20 | Injection | so could anyone tell me if there working on putting creative vision m rockbox? |
| 11:51:25 | | Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0D2FB.ipt.aol.com) |
| 11:51:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, really? |
| 11:52:10 | Injection | anyone konw? |
| 11:52:10 | amiconn | You say it would only uboost if all threads are sleeping. Now what happens if the thread that triggered the boost is sleeping, but only one other thread is not? |
| 11:52:12 | scorche | Injection: stop asking here and search to find out |
| 11:52:19 | Injection | kk |
| 11:52:20 | Injection | sorry |
| 11:52:42 | dan_a | Injection: I don't think anybody is. Have you had a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort? |
| 11:52:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: then cpu would remain boosted.. but in fact i think that could be even preferred |
| 11:53:04 | scorche | there is a 5 page thread about it in the forum... |
| 11:53:19 | Slasheri | because probably the one other thread is doing some job |
| 11:53:36 | amiconn | Not necessarly. The thread that isn't sleeping could just wait for some data transfer to finish |
| 11:53:45 | sneakums | scorche: how much of it is "i tink the rock box shud be on zen vizion lol"? |
| 11:54:04 | scorche | sneakums: why dont you read it and find out |
| 11:54:12 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, true. but could that happen normally often? |
| 11:54:27 | amiconn | If it needs to wait but has to react pretty quick when the process is finished, it would just call yield() instead of sleep() |
| 11:54:32 | sneakums | scorche: because i don't own or plan to own one |
| 11:54:50 | scorche | then spend the rest of your life not knowing ;) |
| 11:54:58 | sneakums | i can live with that |
| 11:55:16 | amiconn | Slasheri: I don't know of many places atm, one place (not subject to the boosting problem) is the MMC serial DMA on Ondio |
| 11:55:56 | amiconn | Same thing will happen when we introduce ATA DMA on coldfire - and then it gets relevant |
| 11:56:07 | Slasheri | ok, so probably swcodec targets wouldn't have the issue, at least while audio is playing |
| 11:56:27 | | Quit fulhack ("Lämnar") |
| 11:56:51 | amiconn | While ATA DMA is running, the read function should yield, otherwise there wouldn't be an advantage in using DMA |
| 11:56:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: but then it means that cpu could never be in sleeping state? |
| 11:57:17 | Slasheri | and that would increase power consumption quite much |
| 11:57:18 | amiconn | Of course it can, just not during a DMA transfer |
| 11:57:41 | Slasheri | ah.. but then cpu is always boosted anyway while doing buffering or reading from disk |
| 11:59:03 | amiconn | hmm, okay |
| 11:59:41 | amiconn | It _might_ be that we need to lock it boosted anyway during DMA, in order to keep reliable timing |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:26 | | Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484B6E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:00:59 | Kalthare | Say, this is a stupid question, but would it be possible for an ATA request to error out because of a wrong sector size? |
| 12:01:03 | amiconn | Btw, ATA DMA will only be possible for word-aligned data. Misaligned data still needs transferring via the CPU |
| 12:01:26 | | Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 12:01:58 | * | amiconn sighs |
| 12:02:06 | daurnimator | so... |
| 12:02:35 | daurnimator | any1 willing to do a port for me? - you'll get provided with all required info |
| 12:03:43 | | Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 12:06:30 | Kalthare | Eh, sorry for being a pest tonight. |
| 12:07:36 | scorche | daurnimator: stop asking please...if you want someone to do a port, start a thread in the new ports forum with relevant information to start a discussion (or try to at least), but do not request a port be done on it in the thread or anywhere else really...for a port to happen, a dev has to have the device, and have the motivation to port rockbox |
| 12:08:02 | amiconn | Yes, and the time |
| 12:09:28 | | Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 12:10:28 | * | amiconn remembers how long it took to get the Ondio MMC driver working |
| 12:22:32 | | Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@82.247.165.89) |
| 12:23:41 | | Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 12:26:18 | | Join Seed [0] (n=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 12:30:14 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 12:33:32 | | Quit Injection (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 12:33:55 | | Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:35:42 | | Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549655F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:38:17 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Speaking of MMC, what do you think would take to support the new 8GB ones? |
| 12:38:44 | | Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:39:09 | | Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3031.gwdg.de) |
| 12:39:18 | amiconn | Oh, I didn't notice that MMCs >4GB are now available |
| 12:39:24 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 12:39:25 | | Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:40:03 | amiconn | Well, I would need such a card, and some docs about the necessary protocol extension |
| 12:40:34 | amiconn | The MMC protocol up to plain MMC4.0 only supports up to 4GB (byte-wise addressing with 32 bit addresses) |
| 12:41:11 | amiconn | Hopefully the extended protocol is also available in SPI mode... |
| 12:41:30 | | Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-72-136.dslaccess.co.uk) |
| 12:42:14 | amiconn | There will be one limitation for sure - an MMC >4GB won't be accessible via the USB bridge in the Ondio, so storing music on it will require a recent card reader |
| 12:43:23 | daurnimator | howso? |
| 12:44:14 | markun_ | daurnimator: do you have access to the DAC with the DM320 or is that connected to the DSP? |
| 12:44:21 | | Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) |
| 12:44:22 | amiconn | Well, we can't change the USB->MMC bridge, and the built-in bridge doesn't support those extensions for sure |
| 12:44:27 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/49223.html |
| 12:44:31 | daurnimator | its through the DSP |
| 12:45:15 | Genre9mp3 | I know it's too early, but I wanted your "technical" opinion on this... |
| 12:45:23 | Genre9mp3 | which you already gave me... thanks |
| 12:45:28 | | Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-020-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:47:21 | | Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 12:47:36 | | Quit chendo_ (Remote closed the connection) |
| 12:48:49 | amiconn | Hmm, Samsung doesn't list these new cards on their website |
| 12:49:14 | daurnimator | sandisk? |
| 12:49:36 | amiconn | No, samsung |
| 12:50:38 | Genre9mp3 | "Samsung's new high-density and high-performance MMCplus cards are expected to be available in the second half of this year." |
| 12:50:41 | | Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-76-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 12:50:49 | Genre9mp3 | They will probably soon |
| 12:52:29 | amiconn | Hmm, Samsung seems to have useful data sheets :) |
| 12:52:57 | amiconn | If they will publish the datasheets for the 8GB cards as well, it shouldn't be too hard... |
| 12:53:09 | * | Genre9mp3 crosses fingers |
| 12:56:39 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Also, about the USB limitation, I can't find it _such_ a problem since I would barely use USB1.1 to transfer my music |
| 12:56:52 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:57:38 | amiconn | Rockbox would evn learn to protect the user from this problem... by not allowing USB mode and displaying a message instead when such a card is plugged in |
| 12:58:22 | Genre9mp3 | Do the 4GB ones work with USB? |
| 12:59:09 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:59:24 | * | amiconn has such a card :) |
| 12:59:57 | * | Genre9mp3 will soon have such a card :) |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:45 | | Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) |
| 13:09:00 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone have any experience with Samsung hard disks? I usually would go for a WD or a Seagate but I found a Samsung one (400GB) for 130 eur. and I'm tempted |
| 13:09:26 | | Quit lodesi ("leaving") |
| 13:09:46 | | Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874DE6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:14:20 | daurnimator | i love samsung |
| 13:14:30 | daurnimator | i've never had a problem with one |
| 13:14:48 | daurnimator | its all i use in my working desktop |
| 13:16:27 | Genre9mp3 | All my drives are WD and never had a problem with any of them |
| 13:16:50 | bluebrother | the only drive that failed badly on me was a samsung one ... some years ago. |
| 13:17:04 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: ouch |
| 13:17:20 | | Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") |
| 13:17:21 | daurnimator | i've had WD fail a couple of time |
| 13:17:29 | daurnimator | and a couple of maxtors |
| 13:18:05 | Genre9mp3 | Well.. then you never know from where it will come from |
| 13:18:15 | Genre9mp3 | But I wouldn't go for a Maxtor.. that's sure |
| 13:18:15 | bluebrother | I used IBM / Hitachi drives without any problems for years. |
| 13:19:01 | daurnimator | i use to use fujitsu & hitachi, but i haven't seen any drives from them in years |
| 13:19:40 | daurnimator | seagate drives have always been $20 or so more expenisve than others, so i rarely buy them |
| 13:20:15 | daurnimator | in short, Genre9mp3, theres nothing wrong with samsung |
| 13:20:48 | Genre9mp3 | Well yes, I guess |
| 13:20:57 | Genre9mp3 | Actually I want one for backup reasons |
| 13:21:21 | daurnimator | you must;ve have much to backup |
| 13:21:22 | * | Genre9mp3 thinks that he never had a failed HDD |
| 13:21:30 | daurnimator | *must'NT |
| 13:21:48 | Genre9mp3 | So I kanda wait for one... :/ |
| 13:21:51 | Genre9mp3 | *kinda |
| 13:21:57 | * | amiconn is now pretty sure that rockbox will be able to support MMC4.1 :-) |
| 13:22:09 | * | amiconn wants such a card |
| 13:22:14 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: \o/ |
| 13:22:43 | Genre9mp3 | 8GB for a device 4+ years old! Now that's news! |
| 13:24:14 | amiconn | Show off those crippled modern players! ;) (thinking of the H10-5GB) |
| 13:24:38 | Genre9mp3 | Or why not even Nano2G or the Sansa! :) |
| 13:24:56 | pixelma | even better than Sansa or the new Nano :) |
| 13:25:08 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: :P |
| 13:25:37 | Bagder | sansa has a micro-SD too |
| 13:25:45 | Bagder | so they can go 10GB |
| 13:26:13 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: Just wait for the 16GB MMCs to arrive ;) |
| 13:26:15 | daurnimator | what size does micro SD goto? |
| 13:26:26 | Bagder | I believe 2GB is the biggest right now |
| 13:26:32 | daurnimator | thought so |
| 13:26:36 | Bagder | micro-SD is a helluva small thing |
| 13:26:42 | daurnimator | i know |
| 13:26:44 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: I thought it was 1GB... but not sure |
| 13:26:50 | daurnimator | i was going to look at mobiles one day |
| 13:27:00 | daurnimator | tested a few out |
| 13:27:06 | dan_a | Bagder: If it wasn't, it'd be called "macro-SD"... |
| 13:27:11 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:27:12 | daurnimator | and the sales chick kept dropping the micro sd cards |
| 13:27:20 | daurnimator | and she couldn't find them |
| 13:27:23 | daurnimator | (thick carpet) |
| 13:27:38 | Bagder | at my work place a guy bought us a new micro-SD for our product and said "hey, these things are SMALL these days"... |
| 13:27:50 | | Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 13:28:01 | Bagder | ... and then I showed him how he had the "SD-wrapper" still there, and extract the mini from inside of it |
| 13:28:07 | daurnimator | lol |
| 13:28:31 | daurnimator | i need to buy an SD |
| 13:28:37 | | Join nls [0] (i=HydraIRC@nl104-202-216.student.uu.se) |
| 13:28:37 | daurnimator | i'm not sure if i should get a micro |
| 13:28:50 | Genre9mp3 | damn! Google doesn't work here atm |
| 13:28:52 | daurnimator | 2gb normal = $50 2gb micro = $65 |
| 13:29:03 | daurnimator | but, i might loose it or something :S |
| 13:29:16 | | Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 13:29:30 | | Part _jhMikeS_ |
| 13:29:32 | | Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-233-214.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:29:57 | Genre9mp3 | hey... not that MMC is considered to be big |
| 13:30:09 | | Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-233-214.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:31:07 | | Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 13:31:54 | | Join voltagex [0] (i=voltagex@124-254-106-40-dsl.ispone.net.au) |
| 13:36:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:36:37 | amiconn | Hmm, this is even more helpful: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Memory/appnote/4gb_mmc_application_note_200606.pdf (and support for over 4GB is MMC4.2) |
| 13:44:09 | Genre9mp3 | "High density MultiMedia Cards supports capacity more than 2 G Bytes and limits capacity up to and including 32 GB in this notes" |
| 13:44:15 | Genre9mp3 | ...impressive |
| 13:45:19 | amiconn | Afaics the protocol allows for even more |
| 13:45:53 | amiconn | The 2GB limit isn't entirely correct, but it points out a detail that might be important |
| 13:46:32 | Genre9mp3 | So it's the 4.2 for > 4GB, right? |
| 13:47:01 | amiconn | 4GB cards do work in rockbox (as they are actually a little less than 4*2^30 bytes), but it might be that this isn't the case for cards from all manufacturers |
| 13:47:50 | amiconn | ..because some manufacturers might have chosen the new block addressing scheme for their 4GB cards |
| 13:48:51 | | Join webguest84 [0] (i=414a01a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 13:49:14 | | Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) |
| 13:52:35 | | Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874DE6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:52:50 | webguest84 | Hi, I just got a Archos Recorder, I like the sound, std OS, but there is lots of background noiseevident, ironically the background noise is present only when the HDD isn't being accessed, is this background noise due to defetive caps ? |
| 13:53:52 | | Quit barrywardell () |
| 13:54:24 | webguest84 | where are the archos gurus ? |
| 13:55:02 | webguest84 | amiconn, Linus, bagder, zagor, dragon.....hi there |
| 13:56:23 | webguest84 | rum tee tum tee tum |
| 13:56:43 | * | webguest84 looks around the room for signs of life |
| 13:57:01 | Genre9mp3 | webguest84: Patience is a good thing to have |
| 13:57:26 | webguest84 | yes, patience is a grace |
| 13:57:41 | amiconn | You're referring to the ticking background noise in the archos firmware? |
| 13:57:54 | amiconn | This is a bug rockbox cures |
| 13:58:11 | | Quit blueworm ("Leaving") |
| 13:58:13 | webguest84 | yes its like a ticking noise, quite loud infact |
| 13:59:02 | webguest84 | ha, cant wait to install rockbox, not at my pcat the moment |
| 13:59:10 | | Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-2-41.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:59:19 | webguest84 | thanks amiconn |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:04 | webguest84 | Genre9mp3: patience is a grace, and grace was a little girl who wouldn't wash her face |
| 14:00:30 | daurnimator | and the face is where patience is shown? |
| 14:00:40 | webguest84 | heh |
| 14:00:46 | webguest84 | thanks folks |
| 14:00:48 | | Part webguest84 |
| 14:00:56 | daurnimator | so... she washed off her patience, which wiped herself off? |
| 14:01:14 | daurnimator | lesson to be learnt: washing your face can kill you - SAY NO! |
| 14:04:11 | | Quit SereR0kR () |
| 14:05:40 | | Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 14:05:40 | | Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 14:06:44 | Genre9mp3 | ah...he left |
| 14:06:59 | Genre9mp3 | impatient guy... :P |
| 14:07:46 | | Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) |
| 14:08:06 | dan_a | Bagder: Is MrH going to follow that screenshot with some information, or was he just teasing us? |
| 14:10:24 | | Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) |
| 14:10:26 | | Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3101.gwdg.de) |
| 14:13:01 | | Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 14:14:35 | | Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) |
| 14:14:35 | | Quit SereR0kR (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 14:14:54 | | Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:16:01 | | Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 14:17:29 | | Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) |
| 14:26:08 | | Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A44DA7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:26:48 | | Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 14:35:11 | | Part pixelma |
| 14:38:08 | | Join _FireFly [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4659C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:39:38 | | Quit voltagex (Remote closed the connection) |
| 14:44:58 | | Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-2-41.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 14:46:04 | | Quit Kalthare ("Leaving.") |
| 14:48:28 | | Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930BB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:48:31 | | Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 14:53:35 | | Quit blueworm ("Leaving") |
| 14:57:10 | | Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C0B2BC.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:00 |
| 15:15:37 | | Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 15:17:27 | | Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) |
| 15:23:03 | | Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.24.157.cable.012.net.il) |
| 15:23:59 | Kitt0s | everytime i update my X5 with the latest build the settings are lost, how do i keep them? (can't seem to find it in the twiki) |
| 15:25:00 | nls | Main menu > manage settings > save .cfg |
| 15:26:17 | Kitt0s | thanks :] |
| 15:31:59 | Kitt0s | nls, it doesn't load it by deafult tho :\ |
| 15:33:11 | petur | Kitt0s: settings get reset when somebody changes the settingsblock code (adds a setting,...) |
| 15:33:35 | petur | so it shouldn't reset them _every_ time |
| 15:33:39 | PaulJam | the settings shouldn't be reset on every update. only when the version number of the configuration increases |
| 15:36:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:48:14 | | Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) |
| 15:49:25 | | Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) |
| 15:55:53 | Soap | PaulJam - what is an easy way for a layperson to determine if the version number of the configuration has updated? I've always recomended erasing settings every update simply because I don't know how to determine when it is required and when it is not. Not to mention the fact that failure to wipe settings seems to be the answer to 50% of the odd problem questions on the forums. |
| 15:58:13 | * | dan_a hates the Sansa LCD |
| 15:59:08 | PaulJam | you can look on the frontpage or on the "all commits since 2.5" page if the file settings.c was modified. (when you click on the versionnumber you see the changes that were done) and if the line that contains "#define CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" was changed, you need to save your settings. |
| 15:59:59 | petur | the problem is probably that most patched version change settings but not the versionnumber |
| 16:00 |
| 16:03:11 | Soap | I could do that, seems easy enough, but I still think recomending the clearing of settings is a much simpler suggestion to the masses. |
| 16:04:15 | petur | I never clear settings on update and never had odd problems (trust me, I update a lot) |
| 16:04:58 | petur | if the config block version number is changed as it should, there shouldn't be any problem |
| 16:06:24 | Soap | which goes back, I guess, to your statement that the primary source of "odd" problems revolves around the (sometimes unmentioned) prevelent percentage of complaints about wacky problems from Unsupported Builds. |
| 16:07:42 | Soap | So if the config block version has changed (as it should) does rockbox clear the settings for you? Or is it "smart" enough to determine what particular settings need dropped (in the case of a backwards upgrade)? |
| 16:07:54 | petur | it clears them all |
| 16:08:26 | Soap | thanks for the education. |
| 16:13:21 | | Join shrewd [0] (n=kocielow@ejc242.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:14:22 | shrewd | hi i have a problem with installing rockbox no ipod via linux |
| 16:14:49 | shrewd | i hed installed bootloader |
| 16:15:26 | shrewd | and it's loooks good |
| 16:15:35 | shrewd | i had* |
| 16:16:50 | shrewd | how can i install rockbox.bin |
| 16:17:52 | dan_a | shrewd: Which step of the instructions did you get up to? |
| 16:17:58 | | Quit GFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") |
| 16:17:59 | shrewd | rockbox.bin don't run on my linux and coppyng it to root folder on ipod does not helps |
| 16:18:12 | Soap | do you mean rockboot.bin? |
| 16:18:14 | obo | shrewd: you need to dd it to the first partition of your ipod |
| 16:18:36 | shrewd | no, rockbot.bin is ok |
| 16:18:48 | shrewd | it's runing |
| 16:18:49 | | Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3015.gwdg.de) |
| 16:19:12 | shrewd | the partition tab looks good |
| 16:19:58 | shrewd | bootloader too but i don't know how to install the os on ipod |
| 16:20:01 | Soap | I don't know of rockbox.bin for the ipod unless I'm missing something totally obvious. |
| 16:20:25 | Soap | You need to download a build .zip file (daily...cvs) and extract it to the root of your ipod. |
| 16:20:34 | Soap | the firmware is called rockbox.ipod. |
| 16:20:37 | dan_a | shrewd: It sounds like you need to follow step 2 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 16:20:44 | Soap | if the bootloader works, this is all you need to do. |
| 16:20:51 | | Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 16:20:57 | | Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:21:02 | | Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3015.gwdg.de) |
| 16:22:34 | * | Soap is still confused where "rockbox.bin" would be in an ipod install. |
| 16:23:14 | hcs | that'd be the bootloader, wouldn't it? |
| 16:23:17 | shrewd | i heve copyed rockbox.ipod to root of my ipod boot it does not help |
| 16:23:31 | Soap | hcs, no the bootloader would be rockboot.bin. |
| 16:24:06 | dan_a | shrewd: What happens? Do you get any error message? |
| 16:24:19 | Soap | shrewd - you mentioned that the bootloader install was "looking good". What happens when you boot your ipod? |
| 16:24:26 | hcs | Soap: ok, I was thinking of bootloader.bin |
| 16:24:41 | Soap | hcs, yea, that too ;) |
| 16:25:00 | shrewd | yes wait i wil try to write it to u |
| 16:25:45 | shrewd | rockbox error -2 |
| 16:25:59 | shrewd | loading orginal os |
| 16:26:37 | obo | your rockbox.ipod file is 0 bytes |
| 16:27:35 | shrewd | hmm ... i have ipodlinux previously so i have 3 parition on my ipod |
| 16:27:52 | | Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=3f82c507@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 16:27:59 | obo | shrewd: try extracting the zip again, to your FAT32 partition |
| 16:28:31 | obo | make sure the disc icon has stopped before you umount/eject |
| 16:28:36 | | Join webguest06 [0] (i=c3ec4b1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d32b5ef4ee00564c) |
| 16:28:45 | shrewd | shrewd@Nasa:~/Desktop/a$ fdisk -l /dev/sdf |
| 16:28:45 | shrewd | Disk /dev/sdf: 60.0 GB, 60011642368 bytes |
| 16:28:45 | shrewd | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7295 cylinders |
| 16:28:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK shrewd |
| 16:28:45 | shrewd | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 16:28:45 | shrewd | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 16:28:46 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 16:28:46 | shrewd | /dev/sdf1 * 1 1 8001 0 Empty |
| 16:28:48 | shrewd | /dev/sdf2 * 6 7296 58564957+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 16:28:50 | shrewd | /dev/sdf3 2 5 32130 83 Linux |
| 16:28:52 | shrewd | Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 16:29:38 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Coprocessor on the iPod 5g has been confirmed working |
| 16:31:25 | | Quit linuxstb_ (Client Quit) |
| 16:31:30 | | Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f82c507@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 16:32:06 | shrewd | obo :thx |
| 16:32:09 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, I saw that in the logs. I'm on holiday at the moment though, and don't have my Photo with me to test. |
| 16:32:30 | dan_a | linuxstb: OK - have a nice rest, then! |
| 16:32:39 | linuxstb | I also saw the Sansa LCD photo - who got it working? |
| 16:33:18 | obo | shrewd: working okay now? |
| 16:33:47 | dan_a | I think that's MrH's work... we've seen no code yet |
| 16:34:05 | linuxstb | So he's bought himself a Sansa? |
| 16:34:22 | dan_a | Or borrowed one, yes |
| 16:34:29 | qailer | hello people, I wonder why I can't browse the menus when putting my ipod in charge, I'm using rockbox, it reboots, why this? |
| 16:34:50 | linuxstb | Hold MENU as you insert the cable. |
| 16:35:12 | qailer | linuxstb: thx |
| 16:35:32 | aliask | Where's this picture? |
| 16:35:45 | dan_a | http://www.contactor.se/~dast/IMG_6589.JPG |
| 16:36:15 | aliask | Oooh pretty. |
| 16:36:36 | dan_a | I can make the screen white, but can't do anything with it... it's so frustrating! |
| 16:36:49 | | Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m168.telcomplus.net) |
| 16:37:27 | linuxstb | dan_a: Is the version of your patch that works on the 5g any different to the ones I was testing in the past? |
| 16:37:32 | Quazgaa | i just installed x5 rockbox 10/14 and now my settings are cleared :( |
| 16:38:16 | dan_a | linuxstb: Yes - I changed a couple of things in system.c to stop them doing anything when called from the COP. |
| 16:38:16 | linuxstb | Quazgaa: Yes, that happens occasionally. You should save a copy of your settings to a .cfg file for such occasions. (In the Manage Settings menu) |
| 16:38:47 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 16:39:02 | Quazgaa | ok |
| 16:39:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: Time for me to start work on audio in mpegplayer then... |
| 16:39:33 | Quazgaa | perhaps ive done so, me looks |
| 16:40:02 | Quazgaa | yay i did |
| 16:40:02 | dan_a | There's still a way to go before it can be committed - barrywardell tested it on his H10 with no luck |
| 16:40:30 | | Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-123-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:44:34 | linuxstb | I assume he changed the H10 bootloader in the same way as the ipods? |
| 16:45:31 | dan_a | I checked and the CVS version is correct, and he upgraded to that. |
| 16:46:57 | linuxstb | I _think_ hcs has a Photo as well - hopefully he can test it. |
| 16:47:47 | dan_a | When I'm feeling brave I'll post on the forums for testers |
| 16:48:25 | aliask | I suppose I can test it when on my mini1g |
| 16:48:33 | Genre9mp3 | hey.. I thought that Bagder made the LCD on Sansa work... am I wrong? |
| 16:48:38 | dan_a | aliask: Yes please! |
| 16:48:55 | dan_a | Genre9mp3: No, that was a picture that MrH sent him |
| 16:48:57 | aliask | dan_a: Just the latest patch in the tracker? |
| 16:49:25 | Genre9mp3 | dan_a: Oh... I misunderstood then |
| 16:49:27 | | Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) |
| 16:49:38 | | Join carl [0] (n=carl@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177646023.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 16:49:57 | dan_a | aliask: You'll need to upgrade your bootloader to a recent CVS version too, but I've posted bootloader.bins for every iPod |
| 16:50:08 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:50:08 | * | Genre9mp3 makes the forbidden question: Who is mrH ? |
| 16:50:38 | dan_a | MrH is someone who (anonymously) does reverse engineering for us |
| 16:51:35 | Genre9mp3 | I see... and how did he get contact with the project? (sorry, but it seems i've missed some episodes) |
| 16:51:57 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: he's the guy who cracked the mi4 files |
| 16:52:26 | Bagder | he got in contact after reading my initial sandisk+rockbox page afair |
| 16:53:39 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: ok... good to know... do we know if he wants to contribute to the project further? |
| 16:54:25 | Bagder | we're grateful for every piece we get from him, but like everyone else involved we can of course not know how much future work he'll do |
| 16:54:35 | linuxstb | Bagder: Does he own a Sansa now? Or did he send you code to test? |
| 16:54:58 | Bagder | I don't know, I expect to get more info about it |
| 16:55:12 | linuxstb | So he just gave you the photo? |
| 16:55:12 | Bagder | that's his pic, I've not seen any code for that yet |
| 16:55:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:55:55 | dan_a | I feel like I'm being teased by that photo |
| 16:56:04 | aliask | dan_a: Is it possible to upgrade the bootloader without the original bootpartition.bin? |
| 16:56:05 | Genre9mp3 | I was about to say that |
| 16:56:06 | linuxstb | How hard can it be? :) |
| 16:56:31 | | Join strid [0] (n=fahrh@c-67-168-125-202.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:56:34 | strid | hey guys |
| 16:57:00 | dan_a | aliask: It must be - I did it when I upgraded my 3g, but I can't remember *what* I did! |
| 16:57:04 | linuxstb | aliask: Not really... You would need to write a program that did the opposite of ipod_fw. Do you have the apple_os.bin? |
| 16:57:16 | hcs | dan_a: I have a photo, do you need me to test something? |
| 16:57:16 | strid | I accidentally updated my 5g video ipod (running rockbox)'s firmware and now I can't boot into rockbox, how can I undo the damage? |
| 16:57:33 | linuxstb | strid: You have to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 16:57:36 | aliask | I did the original install on a school computer, so I don't have any of the old files. |
| 16:57:56 | aliask | Factory reset time? |
| 16:57:57 | strid | linuxstb: does that require any of the backups from when I first installed rockbox? |
| 16:58:17 | dan_a | hcs: If you wouldn't mind testing FS #5755 - coprocessor support. It requires updating the bootloader though |
| 16:58:25 | dan_a | Thanks! |
| 16:58:25 | linuxstb | No, they relate to the old firmware. You should do it again from the start. |
| 16:58:38 | hcs | dan_a: can do, I'll let you know in 15 minutes or so |
| 16:58:51 | strid | just download the latest video ipod build and start from scratch? |
| 16:58:51 | dan_a | hcs: Thank you! |
| 16:59:34 | linuxstb | strid: You don't need a new rockbox.zip - that should still be on your ipod. It's the bootloader-video.bin and the installation associated to that that needs repeating. |
| 16:59:34 | dan_a | aliask: I think I must have used the iPod updater to restore my firmware, and then reinstalled from scratch |
| 16:59:54 | hcs | dan_a: should I build a bootloader with the last patch on that page or use one of the provided bootloaders? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:19 | Soap | linuxstb - I assume strid upgraded to Apple firmware 1.2 (for sake of argument let's assume he did.) If I was to send him the patched bootloader I made with my 5thG ipod and Apple firmware 1.1 what would be the result? Would it not work, or would it in effect revert his firmware? |
| 17:00:21 | strid | linuxstb: ah, right |
| 17:00:41 | dan_a | hcs: One of the provided bootloaders. The updated bootloader has been in CVS for a while now |
| 17:01:09 | aliask | dan_a: I'm sorry it has come to this, but I cannot proceed any further. I would have to download AND install iTunes 7 to reset my iPod. This I cannot tollerate. |
| 17:01:26 | aliask | (Juuust kidding, I'm downloading it now) |
| 17:01:40 | daurnimator | see |
| 17:01:41 | carl | itunes is a piece of shit |
| 17:01:47 | strid | I wish they didn't bundle itunes and quicktime.. |
| 17:01:47 | daurnimator | i don't want an ipod cause of itunes |
| 17:01:52 | dan_a | aliask: hehehe! I was just telling you how that was no problem! |
| 17:01:54 | hcs | dan_a: ok, so that I don't screw up, I am updating the bootloader and building in which patch? |
| 17:02:29 | linuxstb | The worst thing is that Apple don't provide a separate ipod updater - it's now part of itunes 7. |
| 17:03:07 | dan_a | hcs: Step 1. Update the bootloader. Step 2. Install a normal rockbox build patched with kernel_on_cop_4.diff from FS #5755 |
| 17:04:05 | aliask | Holy crap speed record for my internet connection! From apple.com of all places... |
| 17:06:20 | | Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h95n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 17:09:23 | strid | linuxstb: okay, it works fine now, thanks |
| 17:10:07 | strid | does rockbox now support .mp4 playback? |
| 17:12:25 | hcs | dan_a: ok, running with the new bootloader and patched firmware, anything in particular I should be trying? |
| 17:13:48 | dan_a | hcs: If it plays music, it's probably working. To be sure, have a look at the "View OS Stacks" debug menu - that will tell you which core the threads are running on |
| 17:15:13 | hcs | dan_a: playing an MP3 now, if I read this right everything but main and codec are on core 0 |
| 17:15:14 | | Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 17:15:39 | aliask | Bad news, I cant turn on my ipod after updating. |
| 17:15:56 | aliask | AND I have quicktime installed. |
| 17:16:00 | hcs | dan_a: that is, there is a main on core0 and core1, of course |
| 17:16:08 | dan_a | hcs: Then it's working - the codec thread is on the COP |
| 17:16:19 | dan_a | aliask: Not at all? |
| 17:16:32 | aliask | Well, no audible, or visible response. |
| 17:16:41 | aliask | (where visible is limited to backlight) |
| 17:16:48 | hcs | dan_a: ok, cool, I'll be running this on a train ride and let you know if there are any disasters |
| 17:17:42 | dan_a | hcs: Thank you - but it's looking good so far |
| 17:18:22 | hcs | and I'll compile in my ridiculously cpu-intensive nsf player and see how that holds out |
| 17:18:56 | hcs | thanks for all the cores |
| 17:19:27 | | Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) |
| 17:19:32 | | Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-057-058.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:19:54 | dan_a | aliask: Eeek. I don't know what to do about that! |
| 17:20:05 | Lear | strid: it has for some time, only it was a bit limited before. |
| 17:20:53 | aliask | dan_a: When I finished the update, it said I needed to connect it to a power source, but the only one I have is the USB, which isn't doing anything. I'll take it over to my friend's house tomorrow (he has a powerbrick) and I'll see what happens. |
| 17:21:24 | aliask | But this means I can't test the patch until then... sorry :( |
| 17:22:07 | dan_a | Sorry for making you do the update! |
| 17:22:17 | | Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3034.gwdg.de) |
| 17:22:59 | linuxstb | dan_a: I've just tried your patch on my 5g, and I get a codec thread on the COP, but not a main thread. |
| 17:23:01 | aliask | No big loss, I didn't pay for the player, and I have another DAP so even if it doesn't work out it's not a big deal. |
| 17:24:30 | aliask | Anyway, I'm off for the night. |
| 17:24:34 | | Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") |
| 17:24:42 | dan_a | linuxstb: Are you definitely running an updated bootloader? |
| 17:24:49 | | Join ze [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) |
| 17:25:06 | linuxstb | Yes, I just checked - it's one I compiled a couple of days ago. |
| 17:25:58 | strid | where should I place an .mp4 video file so that the original ipod firmware can detect and play it (since rockbox apparently can't)? |
| 17:26:38 | | Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 17:26:42 | dan_a | I wonder if it's a timing issue - if init_threads() is called from the COP before the CPU it would probably fail |
| 17:26:44 | linuxstb | strid: You have to transfer it via itunes (or equivalent) |
| 17:27:42 | strid | I haven't done that before :I |
| 17:27:57 | hcs | dan_a: full cpu usage by the codec still slows down the ui, is this expected? |
| 17:28:16 | | Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) |
| 17:29:15 | strid | I don't suppose itunes will convert a video to a compatible format on the fly? |
| 17:29:49 | dan_a | hcs: Not really, no. Unless priority scheduling is enabled by default now - in which case the UI might be being throttled to allow the codec more CPU time even though it's on a different processor. |
| 17:30:00 | | Quit Quazgaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 17:30:49 | hcs | dan_a: I think that may be the situation, a few weeks ago I first started noticing the gui getting jumpy instead of running smoothly and causing the audio to glitch |
| 17:31:51 | hcs | the last two are a unit |
| 17:33:00 | hcs | so, again, kudos, and I am off |
| 17:33:27 | dan_a | Thanks again for testing! |
| 17:34:54 | linuxstb | bbl |
| 17:34:55 | | Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") |
| 17:36:30 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:39:25 | strid | uh |
| 17:39:43 | strid | this is strange |
| 17:40:37 | | Quit rretzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 17:41:27 | strid | oh, there it goes, nevermind |
| 17:41:36 | | Quit Febs () |
| 17:43:53 | | Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-010-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:48:49 | | Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 17:49:01 | | Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-010-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:51:33 | lostlogic | dan_a: priority scheduling isn't per-core yet? |
| 17:52:18 | dan_a | lostlogic: I've only briefly glanced at the code, but it looks like it should be. |
| 17:52:46 | lostlogic | weird that the codec would impact it then −− I was thinking that the UI jumpiness was just the difference between boosted and not boosted. |
| 17:53:10 | lostlogic | btw, the latest patch posted to the flyspray works on my 5g, although I didn't update the bootloader from the one you had sent me earlier yesterday |
| 17:53:50 | dan_a | I don't know why it should work on your 5g and not linuxstb's |
| 17:53:53 | | Quit gtkspert ("leaving") |
| 17:54:31 | obo | dan_a: works on my 5g as well |
| 17:55:51 | dan_a | And the reasons that I can think of for codec performance hitting the UI are either that the codec thread isn't really running on the COP, that priority scheduling isn't working as it should across the cores, or that something other than the codec thread is choking the CPU |
| 17:55:53 | lostlogic | linuxstb must have looked at it funny. |
| 17:55:59 | dan_a | Thanks obo |
| 17:57:42 | | Quit qailer ("Leaving") |
| 17:57:59 | | Quit carl ("leaving") |
| 18:00 |
| 18:02:22 | | Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:04:07 | | Quit MadDog011 (Connection timed out) |
| 18:05:48 | * | lostlogic turns off priority scheduling |
| 18:09:43 | | Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177646023.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 18:10:09 | RogerBacon | rockbox is ALIVE ! |
| 18:10:15 | RogerBacon | :D |
| 18:10:29 | petur | and kicking |
| 18:10:39 | * | petur kicks RogerBacon |
| 18:10:58 | RogerBacon | haha |
| 18:11:03 | lostlogic | dan_a: with priority scheduling off, scrolling through lists can make the codec fall behind, so something is up. |
| 18:11:13 | lostlogic | (ie it's somehow not running on the other core or something) |
| 18:11:59 | bluebrother | was Rockbox dead some time? |
| 18:12:11 | petur | the server was |
| 18:12:19 | bluebrother | oh. didn't notice that |
| 18:13:29 | | Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 18:15:48 | | Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-123-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:16:46 | RogerBacon | i hate the gigabeat s firmware |
| 18:17:10 | | Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-090-087.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:21:36 | daurnimator | ok, i won't get a gigabeat |
| 18:23:14 | | Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006100319]") |
| 18:24:23 | | Quit Ed_ (Nick collision from services.) |
| 18:24:25 | | Join Ed [0] (i=ed@palm.hoeg.nl) |
| 18:27:16 | | Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-36-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 18:29:51 | RogerBacon | :D |
| 18:30:26 | dan_a | lostlogic: I'm just writing a debug screen to allow me to turn the coprocessor on and off, which will prove that the codec thread is running there. |
| 18:32:04 | | Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) |
| 18:32:25 | lostlogic | running the codec thread on core1 vs core2 on my 5g definitely changes something... the boost ratio goes _down_ but it's easie rto cause skips with it on the main core... (priority scheduling off) |
| 18:32:44 | | Quit nave7693 ("Leaving.") |
| 18:33:14 | lostlogic | how could the UI thread and the codec thread be competing if they are on different cores. wtf. |
| 18:33:48 | obo | boost ratio seemed to be the same for me, but I didn't have anything else that intensive turned on |
| 18:34:56 | lostlogic | maybe it is about the same, I might have looked at too different of parts of the song. |
| 18:37:44 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 18:38:05 | | Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:40:49 | | Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 18:42:22 | | Quit petur ("time for some nice beer :)") |
| 18:44:16 | | Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.170) |
| 18:46:01 | RogerBacon | woo, archos player is ugly |
| 18:48:09 | daurnimator | which? |
| 18:56:14 | RogerBacon | Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000 and Studio models |
| 18:56:21 | RogerBacon | Archos Jukebox Recorder 6, 10, 15 and 20 |
| 18:56:29 | RogerBacon | Archos Jukebox Recorder V2 |
| 18:56:31 | RogerBacon | .... |
| 18:56:49 | Soap | better question is which Rockbox supported player /isn't/ ugly. |
| 18:57:06 | Soap | They may have lots of good points, but aesthetics ain't one of them. |
| 18:57:12 | Soap | *rips |
| 18:57:20 | RogerBacon | :D |
| 18:58:07 | Genre9mp3 | Soap: I disagree |
| 18:58:26 | Genre9mp3 | I like both irivers and the Ondio, too |
| 18:58:55 | Soap | the Ondio the one with the hemispherical hole in the side of a card slot? |
| 18:59:19 | Genre9mp3 | slot... yes...that one |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:15 | Genre9mp3 | and it's comfortable when holding it with your right hand ;) |
| 19:00:31 | Genre9mp3 | and tiny of course |
| 19:00:57 | Genre9mp3 | anyway, I like the design of it.... |
| 19:04:50 | Genre9mp3 | Soap: Which mp3 player do you like aesthetically? |
| 19:05:07 | Genre9mp3 | not rockbox supported... |
| 19:06:55 | Soap | the mrobe series is interesting. |
| 19:07:03 | RogerBacon | yes :D |
| 19:07:11 | RogerBacon | and the gigabeat s :D |
| 19:08:38 | | Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) |
| 19:13:46 | | Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") |
| 19:14:15 | | Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m163.telcomplus.net) |
| 19:14:55 | | Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965512.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:16:45 | | Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) |
| 19:24:09 | | Join leachbj [0] (n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj) |
| 19:24:16 | | Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 19:25:28 | | Quit bluey- ("Leaving") |
| 19:29:24 | | Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") |
| 19:29:49 | | Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) |
| 19:32:59 | | Join Ribs3 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) |
| 19:36:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:39:45 | | Quit Quazgaa ("leaving") |
| 19:39:59 | | Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-247-169.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:40:15 | | Nick Ribs3 is now known as Ribs (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) |
| 19:40:23 | | Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 19:40:24 | | Quit _jhMikeS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 19:45:00 | | Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-171-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:45:06 | | Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 19:45:40 | XavierGr | kinda late but for me aesthetically H100 is the way to go! |
| 19:46:05 | XavierGr | best mp3 player design for me |
| 19:46:16 | XavierGr | (if you exclude the little weird joystick) |
| 19:46:53 | XavierGr | the joystick could be better, but just having a joystick is really good |
| 19:47:02 | | Quit RogerBacon () |
| 19:47:12 | | Quit PaulJam (".") |
| 19:47:34 | daurnimator | archos gmini 40* for the win!!! |
| 19:48:14 | lex | ipods ftw :) |
| 19:48:14 | | Join SereRokR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 19:48:19 | daurnimator | its like using a game boy at times |
| 19:48:28 | lex | XavierGr: the clickwheel owns every joystick |
| 19:48:30 | | Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:48:44 | | Quit SereR0kR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 19:59:15 | karim | XavierGr, I was going to ask how well was the joystick to play doom |
| 19:59:26 | | Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) |
| 19:59:32 | karim | you have a joystick but no color ! |
| 19:59:42 | karim | h300 rules ! |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:41 | | Join webguest79 [0] (i=561544e1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 20:00:48 | | Quit webguest79 (Client Quit) |
| 20:04:04 | XavierGr | heh |
| 20:04:20 | XavierGr | well I don't think the clickweel is better than the joystick |
| 20:04:46 | XavierGr | and the joystick is fine on doom, but H100 has no color so it is kinda weird to play doom on H100 |
| 20:05:11 | XavierGr | navigating with the joystick though is way more easier for me than with the H300 button pad |
| 20:12:15 | barrywardell | dan_a: any thoughts on the cause of the problems with the cpufreq patch? |
| 20:12:31 | barrywardell | i've just noticed that system_reboot() also doen't work with it applied |
| 20:12:40 | karim | XavierGr, H300 pad sucks, you can't turn and go forward or back at the same time. |
| 20:12:54 | karim | XavierGr, that's just a 4 direction button |
| 20:13:23 | karim | anyway even for normal usage the button sucks |
| 20:13:46 | karim | I am wondering how the remote are. I think H300 have ajoystick on the remote |
| 20:18:56 | | Quit SereRokR () |
| 20:21:42 | | Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 20:25:19 | dan_a | barrywardell: (assuming you mean the coprocessor patch) I don't have any solid ideas at the moment, no. The only thing I can think is that maybe init_threads() is being called from the COP before it gets called from the main CPU, which would cause problems. |
| 20:25:48 | barrywardell | sorry, yeah that's what i meant |
| 20:26:24 | barrywardell | is there a way to block init_threads() until the CPU has called it? |
| 20:28:19 | dan_a | There should be... I guess some flag in IRAM (so it doesn't get cached) that the COP waits on and the CPU sets in init_threads. |
| 20:29:27 | barrywardell | ok, maybe i'll try that |
| 20:29:59 | | Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) |
| 20:30:19 | barrywardell | to put a variable in IRAM, you just IDATA_ATTR? |
| 20:30:34 | dan_a | That's right |
| 20:30:44 | BigMac | any reason that would cause my backlight not to turn on in doom on a 5g? |
| 20:30:51 | BigMac | I have reinstalled the build |
| 20:30:57 | BigMac | but still nothing |
| 20:31:41 | BigMac | and I found a bug that causes the 5g to show a black screen and stopp playback after several minutes and you have to do a hard restart |
| 20:32:46 | | Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177646023.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:33:34 | | Quit RogerBacon (Client Quit) |
| 20:35:34 | | Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) |
| 20:38:35 | dan_a | It's a novelty having crashed which don't lock the machine up! |
| 20:39:26 | dan_a | s/crashed/crashes |
| 20:42:45 | | Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 20:49:57 | barrywardell | dan_a: should this work for blocking init_threads(): http://pastebin.ca/202744 |
| 20:50:06 | barrywardell | it doesn't seem to make any difference |
| 20:52:42 | dan_a | I think it ought to. So we need to work out where your COP is running off to. |
| 20:53:05 | dan_a | (And why it's refusing to set up its threads) |
| 20:54:47 | barrywardell | it says the codec thread is running on the COP |
| 20:55:02 | barrywardell | and the codec buffer even gets filled when I play a mp3 |
| 20:56:10 | | Join besonen_mobile [0] (n=besonen_@71-220-224-29.eugn.qwest.net) |
| 20:56:36 | dan_a | If it doesn't say that a main thread is running there, then something is wrong. And I think the codec buffer gets filled by the audio thread, and emptied (into the audio buffer) by the codec thread |
| 20:56:58 | barrywardell | ah right, and the audio buffer isn't getting filled at all |
| 20:58:30 | barrywardell | do I need to update the bootloader every time I make changes, or just once. I've been updating it every time. |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:31 | dan_a | I don't think you needed to update it at all - the update was to make main() return into crt0-pp.S after loading Rockbox, which the iPod version didn't do (I added that to CVS in August,) but I think the H10's always has done |
| 21:02:38 | | Part Joely |
| 21:05:56 | | Join azn1art [0] (i=4430bb0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 21:09:46 | dan_a | barrywardell: I think it should be possible to write (or edit) an interrupt routine to keep track of where the coprocessor is. |
| 21:10:52 | barrywardell | that would make life much easier |
| 21:11:25 | dan_a | Even if it's just presenting it in a debug menu |
| 21:12:59 | azn1art | i kinda need help |
| 21:13:16 | barrywardell | i'm currently trying to figure out if cop_main even gets called |
| 21:14:01 | azn1art | i want to know how to create my own lng file |
| 21:18:48 | | Quit azn1art ("CGI:IRC") |
| 21:18:49 | | Join azn1art [0] (i=4430bb0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 21:24:45 | | Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) |
| 21:25:06 | barrywardell | dan_a: looks like cop_main() isn't getting run for some reason. I tried turning the backlight off at the start of it and it didn't do anything |
| 21:27:54 | dan_a | barrywardell: Very strange. I'll have another go at it tomorrow, and think about what it could be this evening. |
| 21:28:43 | barrywardell | cool |
| 21:29:02 | barrywardell | i'll think about it too. i might be missing something |
| 21:33:23 | | Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-149-50.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) |
| 21:36:21 | | Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") |
| 21:36:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:40:39 | | Quit azn1art ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 21:49:38 | karim | the fonts are separated from cvs release ? |
| 21:50:57 | Soap | yes, as they don't get updated enough to justify frequent downloading. |
| 21:51:07 | Soap | Is the wiki down for anyone else? |
| 21:51:54 | obo | isn't for me |
| 21:52:35 | Soap | obo, does the failure to log first song played continue to be a problem with the Audioscrobbler/Last.FM log patch? If so what is the cause? |
| 21:54:41 | | Join webguest43 [0] (i=864c0334@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 21:54:44 | obo | From what I can tell it was fixed a few weeks ago, I think by some of pondlifes work. |
| 21:55:08 | obo | The problem was the changed_track_event from playback.c wasn't calling the scrobbler callback |
| 21:55:32 | obo | Since the old tagdb/runtimedb was pulled, there was no other code using that fuction, so any problem with it wasn't noticed |
| 21:56:23 | obo | For me the only issue is the first track when the device is powered on, and auto-resume is enabled |
| 21:57:02 | | Quit MadDog011 ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") |
| 21:57:18 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 21:57:26 | | Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-149-50.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) |
| 21:57:41 | karim | that DGT themes is really nice, would it be cool as default themes for rockbox ? :p |
| 21:57:43 | | Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) |
| 21:58:09 | Soap | I know it is outside your control, obo, but do you know why it didn't get commited the other night? |
| 21:59:10 | obo | It needs testing on Archos... that's it AFAIK |
| 22:00 |
| 22:06:01 | | Quit webguest43 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 22:11:00 | | Join yipe [0] (n=yipely@12-207-158-232.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:20:49 | | Quit besonen_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:32:54 | | Quit midkay_ ("Leaving") |
| 22:34:32 | | Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) |
| 22:39:46 | | Quit Siku () |
| 22:43:15 | | Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") |
| 22:50:18 | | Quit barrywardell () |
| 22:55:51 | | Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) |
| 22:55:57 | | Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:00 |
| 23:03:31 | | Quit Landus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:03:35 | lini | hey guys |
| 23:03:47 | lini | i just dug up my old AJBR 15 |
| 23:03:59 | lini | and updated it with a daily build |
| 23:04:25 | lini | is there anything i should do (clear settings, etc.) before i can start using it again? |
| 23:06:09 | | Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p549315E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:08:12 | | Part shrewd |
| 23:12:23 | | Join Landus [0] (n=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 23:12:54 | | Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:14:00 | | Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") |
| 23:15:02 | lini | seems ok now.. except that rombox refuses to flash.. file too big to fit on chip :( |
| 23:15:13 | | Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) |
| 23:15:29 | | Part _jhMikeS_ |
| 23:17:56 | amiconn | lini: You need a new full-flash image, using bootbox instead of the original firmware as fallback. |
| 23:18:17 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox |
| 23:18:22 | lini | thanks |
| 23:18:26 | lini | i'll look into that |
| 23:18:57 | amiconn | Then you can flash a daily or bleeding edge build |
| 23:19:31 | | Join Rooker [0] (n=iburn-42@bas8-montrealak-1177637177.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 23:21:04 | lini | will try it after the batteries are charged |
| 23:32:56 | | Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) |
| 23:33:06 | | Join DanHibiki [0] (n=Miranda@c906bb10.virtua.com.br) |
| 23:33:14 | Genre9mp3 | ... and kickin'! |
| 23:34:12 | Genre9mp3 | ^someone add this in the topic |
| 23:34:59 | | Part DanHibiki |
| 23:35:35 | | Quit _FireFly ("Leaving") |
| 23:35:44 | | Quit Rocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:36:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:39:19 | | Quit Rooker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:41:03 | | Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-147-181.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:51:14 | | Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).