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#rockbox log for 2006-10-15

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01:37:42stridare there any third party plugins I should get my hands on?
01:38:39stridmaybe something that adds .mp4 compitability
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01:39:23SoapMP4 as in M4A or ? I never liked that extension, ambigious.
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01:45:36striduh, I don't know
01:45:53stridI think it's the only video format the original 5g ipod firmware supports
01:48:29scorchethen mp4
01:49:37Kalthareor m4v, if you prefer
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01:54:42Soapstrid - unless the ipod's video decoding chips gets reverse engineered it ain't going to happen.
01:55:20Soapthere's not enough power on the (dual core at that) CPU to decode those, much less audio as well.
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03:42:04stridaccording to, it handles .m4v, .mp4, and .mov
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04:28:00Soapstid - .mov is a container format. You could put anything from mpeg1 video to H264 in a .mov.
04:28:46stridso it's like .mkv, only more anally intrusive?
04:29:00Soap.avi is also a container.
04:29:10aliaskAnd mp4?
04:29:16stridwell, by that logic..
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04:29:32Soapmp4 should be a muxed mpeg 4 audio and video stream.
04:29:49aliaskBut it can be audio only or video as well
04:29:51Soapbut you see it used for mpeg 4 audio only streams.
04:29:52linuxstbNo, mp4 can be anything as well...
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04:31:30Soapm4a would be the nice thing to call a raw mpeg4 audio stream, m4v would be the polite thing to call a raw video, and mp4 would be the polite way to designate a multiplexed set.
04:32:31linuxstbDoom9 has a nice summary of .mp4 -
04:33:24stridso I finished Bubbles :I
04:33:38stridhow am I going to pass time now
04:35:28stridalso, what is Databox for
04:35:39SoapApple is following a long tradition with the .m4a extension. I don't know on what basis he calls its useage "WRONG"
04:37:04aliaskstrid: Databox was for searching the tag database, but it doesn't work with the newer version
04:37:26Rondom ?
04:37:27Soapwell, I guess if they are actually audio in the container, not elemental audio the usage would be wrong.
04:37:31linuxstbSoap: As you said, .m4a should be for a raw audio stream, not an audio stream in a container...
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04:54:22SkramXi just installed rockbox.. and i try to change the theme.. and it doesnt change
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04:58:11Soapdid you install the font package?
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05:22:47g0rdo66can someone send me the bootloaders file? please
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06:21:43myzarrockbox sure is dead tonight
06:21:48myzari know what would cheer the place up...
06:21:51myzarA SEXY PARTY!
06:21:55*myzar plays some haddaway
06:23:00amiganHrm. I noticed that the commit that fixed the context menu in the browser on the remote also removed the ability to stop the song from the browser.
06:23:08*amigan just fixed it and now has both functions
06:23:30amigan(for x5)
06:23:50*myzar dances with amiconn
06:23:55*myzar dances with amigan too
06:24:10*amigan can't dance...the only thing about him is the way he walks
06:24:54amiganGreat. Now I want to hear that song =]
06:26:10amiganDoes mmmm hang around here?
06:26:19amiganErr mmmmm
06:28:02amiganOr anyone else who does x5 development? I really think it would be a waste to put this one line patch on flyspray.
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07:07:28KalthareWell, I managed to get firmware/test/fat/ to compile, and it helped me track down another bug. But now the FAT code passes all the tests, and it still crashes in exactly the same place.
07:10:15iRoxi have a question about the hexed mbr.bin
07:10:36iRoxif i were to use it, what would be the location of where i have to copy the files to?
07:10:50iRox(people stated that you need to use mtools)
07:10:50*myzar licks Kalthare
07:10:53myzarwork on that 80 gig Kalthare!
07:11:16KalthareIf I had an 80 gig, I'd be working on it...
07:11:43KalthareAnyway, yeah, you use mtools to copy the files onto the partition.
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07:12:04iRoxi mean wouldn't it be accessible in konquorer (the explorer i use in my linux, i'm still adjusting to linux)
07:12:30KalthareI strongly doubt it.
07:13:04iRoxbut currently it shows two partitions, the fat32 and the other i assume is the firmware
07:13:30iRoxso what's different about the new partition that would cause it not to be recognized?
07:14:04KalthareEr, the fact that as far as Linux is concerned, it overlaps the second partition and extends well past the end of the drive.
07:14:50iRoxso basically then this is like a "trick"
07:15:47KalthareYeah, this is a complete hack. It's not actually a valid partition table, which is why you couldn't just use fdisk.
07:18:12iRoxoh ok thanks, i was jw about it being displayable in the browser. I'm probably going to wait until you fix the harddrive writing crash using the patched ipod_fw.exe method just because I'm a windows user and i enjoy the simplicity of drag-and-drop. I can't wait and I really appreciate your work. Thanks.
07:18:16iRoxWell i'm out, c ya
07:19:00KalthareThanks. I wish I could say for sure I'm going to succeed at this..
07:19:15iRoxgoodluck, and goodnight!
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07:23:55Kalthareamiconn here?
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08:59:33scorchehrm...should there be playback issues with the PP5020 as well as the frequency scaling?
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09:00:47scorchei previously thought it was only the scaling issue
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09:58:44amiconnamigan: What's that patch?
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10:15:28liniargh.. i have another problem with my ajbr
10:15:42linii just changed the batteries and flashed bootbox
10:15:53linithe problem is that i cannot set the clock
10:16:34liniif I do, it does not run - i.e. it stays at the set time and the seconds do not change
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10:16:50liniand if i restart the jukebox after that it hangs
10:17:10linii have to take out the batteries to make it work again..
10:19:15amiconnReally strange... does it work when running from RAM?
10:20:56amiconnBtw, the seconds in the s'set time' screen do not change, that's normal
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10:25:31linii just got it to work.. after trying 6-7 times
10:26:22linithe seconds didn't change at all - e.g. i press "on" to set the clock, wait a couple of seconds then go to the clock/date set screen again
10:26:28liniand the seconds are still 00
10:27:19liniI think it might just be a hardware(damaged RTC chip?) problem with my box.. it's 5 years old
10:27:41amiconnHmm, then somehow the rtc was in a mode where it doesn't count.
10:28:02amiconnI don't know what could trigger that, maybe LinusN can tell more when he's around
10:28:26linibut I'm happy that I managed to make it work, and my gf will be happy to have an mp3 player again :)
10:28:49amiconnDid you flash a recent daily or bleeding edge?
10:29:12liniamiconn: i don't think it's a software issue since i cannot reliably reproduce it - i make the same steps and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
10:29:21linii flashed a daily from yesterday
10:29:31amiconnIf you did, you will notice that the free buffer memory is rather low even with rombox. That's because of tagcache really eating RAM atm
10:29:59linibut i remember having this RTC problem with older versions too (2.5 release)
10:30:44amiconnSlasheri said he's working on fixing that. If you want more buffer right now, use a daily from 2006-10-10
10:31:06linihm yes.. free mem is only 1.4MB
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13:35:24peturwith those last changes, what's the background color of splashscreens supposed to be now? It's certainly not the backcolor I configured.
13:36:32amiconnLight gray, always
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13:37:05peturwho came up with that? it's ugly
13:37:32petur(in combination with my backdop)
13:38:25*petur wonders what's wrong with using the configured fore/back color
13:38:27amiconnThe splash screen background colour has always been light gray since greyscale is supported. The only exception was when using backdrops
13:42:26peturso the code takes the configured foreground color but always uses light gray as back. I can imagine some unreadable combinations...
13:44:49peturforget what I wrote
13:45:55peturalways black on lightgray :(
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14:14:08aliaskdan_a: Around?
14:14:20dan_aaliask: I am
14:15:03aliaskOk, I got my ipod working, but I won't be able to do testing until tomorrow after school. I've got the modified bootloader installed, will running that with a regular build be ok?
14:18:52Slasheriamiconn: btw, now the ram usage should have been reduced :)
14:19:15dan_aaliask: Any build based on CVS after 3rd August will work fine.
14:20:04aliaskGreat. I'll patch my build and get back to you tomorrow.
14:20:29dan_aThanks a lot!
14:22:36aliaskNo problems. Aaaand I'm off for the night.
14:22:39amiconnSlasheri: Yeah, great! Just regained 207KB of buffer on my Ondio FM :)
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15:03:27dan_aI'm starting to think that DRAM on the Sansa is not mapped to 0x10000000... it seems it hangs when I access memory around there.
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15:18:14phunkdusthello all
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15:21:30amiconndan_a: Quite possible. Perhaps the sansa bootloader remaps it elsewhere
15:21:51amiconnDo you have any means to output stuff? Beepding, flasing a LED or such?
15:22:52dan_aamiconn: We can flash an LED
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15:23:23amiconnHmm. Then you could try to read the memory controller registers and "flash out" the values
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15:24:36dan_aI'll try that
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15:34:34pondlifeSlasheri: Good move on the boosting there
15:34:58Slasheripondlife: nice if you like it. At least that makes boosting a lot simpler than before
15:35:08pondlifeI can now scrap the boost IDs too, as a filename will be enough to uniquely identify the source of boosting
15:35:25pondlifePreviously playback had 3 of them of course...
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15:36:14pondlifeAre you intending to make all the boosting automatic eventually?
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15:37:19pondlifeOr rather the unboosting...
15:37:44amiconnThat would be very bad
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15:38:13amiconnThere are places where the CPU must stay boosted even though the CPU is idle as seen by the scheduler
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15:38:43Slasheriamiconn: of course, that works as before if cpu_boost() is used
15:39:04Slasheripondlife: only the unboosting
15:39:29pondlifeWould that not be true for the pcmbuf stuff? i.e. could it perhaps drop idle whilst filling
15:39:32Slasherii tried automatic boosting also before but that didn't work too well
15:39:42pondlifeI will double-check
15:40:34Slasheripondlife: it should drop idle as soon as all threads are not in sleep state
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15:56:59Rob2222mhi all
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15:58:29Rob2222mdoes anyone know why page scrolling left-right in filelist doesnt work anymore on h300 with play+left/right?
15:58:45PaulJam_pondlife: concerning the whitenoise problem, would it help when i try to find out when this problem initially occured? and if yes, can you tell me the comand to revert my cvs source to a previous version?
15:59:06pondlifeThat would be useful
15:59:21pondlifeI think it's CVS GET -D, but have not tried it...
15:59:27PaulJam_Rob2222m: i think it now works by holding left/right in the filetree
16:00:04pondlifeNot sure if you can get based on a time as well for further detail either.
16:00:15Rob2222mah. thx paul!
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16:05:07pondlifePaulJam: btw, I assume you saw this thread:
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16:06:02pondlifeIt is claimed that 2006-09-18 00:50 is ok, but 2006-09-20 is bad.
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16:06:56PaulJam_i have experienced it the first time around 2006-09-26
16:07:30[aspect]hello, could anyone tell me why there isnt rockbox for ipod nano 2nd gen yet?
16:07:32jhMikeSI've gotta the white noise as of late as well
16:07:44jhMikeSgotten even
16:08:51obo[aspect]: the hardware is different, the firmware is now encrypted - it looks like it might need to be an entirely new port
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16:10:07pondlifePaulJam: Have you had it with the last 2 days daily builds? I assume so...
16:10:32PaulJam_yes, but with a patched build.
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16:11:32PaulJam_would this line work?: cvs diff -u -D 2006-09-18 | patch -p0 -R
16:11:46pondlifeNot sure. Never tried it :)
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16:28:24linuxstb[aspect]: The 2nd gen Nano is completely different hardware to the other ipods - so Rockbox needs to be ported from scratch.
16:36:08[aspect]linuxstb, obo : ye thx, so is there anything i could do to help?
16:38:47linuxstbThe first step is to crack the encryption used to encrypt the existing firmware so we can both disassemble that firmware, and encrypt our own code so the ipod will run it.
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16:42:04[aspect]linuxstb: so you need a cryptographer or just as much cpus as possible? :)
16:42:35TrueJournalsHey, anyone think they can help me with what seems to be an odd compiling problem?
16:43:06TrueJournalsAnytime I compile, my mpegplayer plugin doesn't work... but if I replace it with a build from (just the mpegplayer.rock), it works fine...
16:43:17TrueJournalsI'm running Windows XP, compiling using cygwin
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16:48:33amiconn"it doesn't work" isn't very descriptive...
16:48:48TrueJournalssorry about that
16:48:50linuxstbTrueJournals: Also, do other plugins work?
16:48:57TrueJournalsI try to play a movie, and it gets stuck on Buffering...
16:49:00TrueJournalsI have to reset it
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16:49:17TrueJournalslinuxstb: other plugins I've used seem to work fine...
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16:51:49Paul_the_NerdTrueJournals: What MP3 player do you have?
16:52:00TrueJournalsan iRiver H10 20GB
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16:52:58Paul_the_NerdWhat's your arm-elf-gcc version, out of curiosity?
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16:53:30TrueJournalsPaul_the_Nerd: how can I check?
16:53:42lostlogicpondlife: Slasheri: both thanks for fixing the boosting problems −− I'm once again in agreement with you Slasheri... sad that I didn't think of having the scheduler help with the boosting
16:53:48Paul_the_NerdIn cygwin type arm-elf-gcc −−version, I think
16:54:43Paul_the_NerdWith the bootloader at least, we had 3.4 not working well, which is why the recommended version was listed as 4.0.x
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16:54:55TrueJournalsah, OK, thanks
16:55:08TrueJournalsI'll look into upgrading later... thanks again, bye
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16:55:22hcsdan_a: back from a day or so of using the patch on my ipod color, an interesting effect I noticed is that I don't get the crashes associated with frequency scaling anymore, maybe having something running on the cop is helping?
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16:58:00dan_ahcs: I've had some very weird side effects of using the COP - that could possibly be one of them
17:00:32lostlogicdan_a: what do you think of the theory that the codec thread may indeed be running on the COP but that the scheduler is for some reason still only executing one thread at a time?
17:00:39lostlogicThat's how the behavior of my iPod _feels_ to me
17:01:38oboyup, similar here
17:02:37dan_aIt's possible - the patch is based on how the kernel work before Slasheri made his threading changes, so I may be assuming some things that aren't correct any more.
17:04:30lostlogicI apparently don't have sufficient available RAM in my brain or something, because I was trying to figure it out myself but kept losing track of parts of the scheduler
17:05:08dan_aAh. Buffer overflow problems?
17:05:50lostlogicso that's why I was trying to prioritize my limbs' processing time yesterday evening. :-P
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17:14:53dan_aI can't spot anything that's global which should be per core
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17:22:25notname1goodness it takes forever for nicknames to time out.
17:22:44Paul_the_NerdThat's why you register so you can have nickserv kill them
17:23:05notname1that would have been the intelligent thing to do, yes
17:25:38notname1so, uhm. say someone who'd just installed rockbox on their ipod nano was poking around and started the plugin "star," and then couldn't figure out how to exit. what might one tell that silly person, who probably also didn't register their nick on the IRC channel?
17:26:09Paul_the_NerdI honestly don't remember what key combination it is, but most plugins are either Menu or Menu+Select.
17:26:22notname1aha! thanks :D
17:26:25notname1I thought I'd tried that
17:26:28*amiconn recommends the fine rockbox manual
17:27:29notname1aye, I did a quick search but obviously was being silly about it
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17:40:49PaulJampondlife: it seems as if with a cvs source from 2006-09-18 01:00 the whitenoise problem happens too (at least the second album stopped after the first track)
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17:54:49amiconnPaulJam: whitenoise probem?
17:55:14amiconnI only noticed occasional stopping of playback when it should change tracks
17:55:40PaulJamamiconn: the problem described here:
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17:57:50amiconnHmm. I only observed the occasional stopping part
17:58:32amiconn..but then I probably have many things disabled others like to have enabled: any kind of fading, replaygain, dircache...
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17:59:09PaulJamit happens with reset settings (only repeat set to off)
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18:27:37godzirraDoes ipod rockbox play m4a's?
18:28:44godzirraOr is there an easy way t o change from m4a to mp3?
18:30:19PaulJami think it only plays them when they were created by itunes (and without DRM of course)
18:30:40desowingodzirra: don't transcode from loosy formats
18:32:10godzirradesowin: I only have it in one format. ;p
18:32:26desowindon't have original cd ?
18:37:09godzirrath anks
18:37:45godzirradesowin: nope, was an old live grateful dead concert.
18:37:59godzirraanyways, back in a ibt.
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18:50:23Kohlrabi<godzirra> desowin: nope, was an old live grateful dead concert. | aren't those on in lossless quality :)
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19:39:19senabwhich one is used?
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19:46:08linuxstbsenab: libFLAC was used originally, but was replaced by libffmpegflac.
19:46:33linuxstblibFLAC should probably be removed now.
19:49:05senabahhhhh, thought so
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19:57:11Madkisshi all
19:57:16MadkissI have a very strange effect when using Rockbox
19:57:26MadkissBasically, as long as my ipod is not connected to my iMac, rockbox works just fine
19:57:45Madkissas soon as I connect the iPod to the iMac, it seems to restart (the ipod) and all I see is a very strange "Do not disconnect"-screen
19:58:05desowinrockbox doesn't have usb disk driver
19:58:15desowinso it just reboots into disk mode
19:59:20desowinhold menu while connecting to use rockbox and charge iPod
20:00:46desowin(it won't appear as drive then)
20:02:44desowinalso hold menu while connecting iPod to wall/car power adapter to prevent it from rebooting into disk mode
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20:03:59Madkisserm ... how do I load stuff onto it in that mode?
20:04:44Madkissah, firewire!
20:05:14Madkissor not?
20:05:29desowinif you're into "Do not disconnect"-screen - you can access it as drive
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20:05:58Madkisshm, I couldn't
20:06:20desowinunplug, and plug it again
20:06:33desowinwait a while, and it should appear as drive
20:06:56MadkissIt appears in iTunes as misconfigured iPod
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20:07:19desowinbtw. I'm linux user, so I don't know about iMac too much
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20:09:11Madkissewll, let's see what winders thinks about this
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20:17:29MadkissI don't know what rockbox did to my ipod, but: AS soon as I try to connect it via USB to Mac OS or Windows, both systems hang.
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20:27:43PaulJampondlife: the whitenoiseproblem seems to be older then sept. 18. - it happens also on a simulator with cvs from 2006-09-01. i'll continue to try to find out when it started tomorrow.
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21:35:39lostlogicare other people seeing that the CPU is always boosted with slasheri's latest change? I think he made it only unboost on a sleep event but didn't put in the sleep event or some such.
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21:37:22peturunboosting here - during normal playback mp3 on iriver h340
21:38:02lostlogicprobably another ipod poor performance situation caused because there is never (or nearly never) a time when all threads sleep on an ipod
21:38:08lostlogicwhich used to be the case on H3x0 as well
21:45:54lostlogic... or it is because the new scheduler unboost is not compatible with dual cores, sigh.
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21:50:39MadkissHas somebody used the "senab"-image?
21:50:46MadkissI installed it, and all I see is "no files"
21:51:10peturwould that be an unsupported build?
21:51:43MadkissI don't know
21:52:42petureverything ok with the official version but not with that one -> try resetting your settings
21:53:03peturthen change file view setting to 'all'
21:53:51lostlogicis there a way to know when the CPU sleeps? I suppose not, since it can't report on anything when it's sleeping.
21:57:14Madkisspetur: I deleted .rockbox and rockbox.ipod ... isn't that resetting enough?
21:57:42peturMadkiss: nope
21:57:58peturput the hold switch on while booting
21:58:51*petur thinks people creating unsupported builds should at least change the settings version block number
21:59:39MadkissNow look, that's cool
21:59:41Madkisspetur: thank you so much
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22:35:51pilli have a friend's ipod mini 1G
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22:36:10pillis rockbox working ok on this platform?
22:36:12pilli mean
22:36:15pillshe's a end user
22:36:17pillbig time
22:37:40peturmini 1gen is supported, but do know that ipod battery life isn't as good as with apple firmware
22:38:05pillhow not as good?
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22:38:34sneakumsabout 50%, sseems to be the consensu
22:39:09pillwell she will still be able to boot the original firmware right?
22:39:14pillso it's just a monus
22:39:28peturhmmm... mini 1gen isn't in the table yet
22:39:33pillyeah :(
22:39:38pilli saw 2G
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22:51:23peturamiconn: pill wanted to know how battery life is in mini 1gen
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22:53:15Soapno reason to believe it won't be also ~55% of original.
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22:53:45Soapdang, I missed the discussion above. Sorry.
22:55:39amiconnpetur: I have a 2nd gen mini
22:56:21peturoh, sorry
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23:04:01pillwell i think all we have to do is try
23:04:07peturamiconn: when writing/reading to the isp1362, did you ever try doing without those nop instructions inbetween?
23:04:33amiconnThe number of nops can probably be reduced, but some of them must stay
23:04:57peturjust wondering because the philips code has no such thing, but the I/O cycle time is probably longer
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23:05:37amiconnCompare the access timing of the isp with the coldfire bus timing (including the generous waitstates)
23:06:26peturI guess iriver had a reason to include that amount of nops
23:06:28amiconnEven with 8 waitstates (at 124MHz) we need the nops to stay within specs
23:07:03amiconnIriver seems to be rather conservative; a few of the nops could perhaps be removed
23:07:37peturah well... optimizing can be done afterwards :)
23:10:47pillhow do you hard reset a mini 1G?
23:10:52pilli just got a Data abort error
23:11:20pillgot it
23:11:33peturrtfw ;)
23:11:48pilli was just baing lazy
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23:16:24telliott_Hi. Is "Pitch" missing from the latest daily builds? I can't find it on my V1 recorder with 06-10-10 firmware.
23:18:29pillit's working nicely
23:18:53pillplaying ogg vorbis on an ipod is pretty funny
23:19:26amiconnPlaying wma will be even more funny (provided it'll ever happen)
23:19:34telliott_Does rockbox play (non DRM) AAC?
23:19:38pillbut wma is for the weak
23:19:49peturtelliott_: yes
23:20:08peturdon't know if it's realtime on all platforms
23:20:20telliott_I tried Rockbox on my Nano but took it off because I like how iTunes handles podcasts.
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23:21:03myzarany new developments with rockbox for 80 gig 5.5s?
23:21:23amiconntelliott_: Pitch is included for sure, but I can't call the pitch screen on my v1 as well. Looks like yet another keymap problem :(
23:22:38telliott_That sucks. I was just telling someone how I used to get Bread albums to sound like Dolly Parton by playing them at 45RPM :)
23:22:51amiconnButton actions was meant to solve problems, not create them :/
23:23:50telliott_What percentage pitch increase would simulate playing a 33 1/3 album at 45RPM?
23:24:02amiconnSimple maths....
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23:24:25amiconn45 / 33.3 yields 135%
23:24:40telliott_True. I'm lazy :)
23:24:58amiconnCalculating that is faster than typing the question ;)
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23:27:00telliott_Is pich accessed from the settings menu anywhere? I guess I'll have to wait till the button mapping is fixed. Older builds had problems on my V1 that were just fixed.
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23:44:39Kitt0scould it be that rockbox on ipod makes it slower?
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23:49:30Shadowrazorno :D
23:50:13Shadowrazorbut its correct that rockbox sometimes slow :(
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23:53:26amiconnJdGordon: Did you check the logs? More button action woes...
23:53:49amiconnPitch screen doesn't appear on recorder
23:54:22amiconnI think it already worked with button actions though...
23:54:39*amiconn wonders what went wrong there
23:55:21JdGordonit might have been broken by a change to the play button in the wps to show the wps context menu?
23:55:32JdGordonif i remember ill check tonight
23:55:35JdGordonworking all day today
23:56:08amiconnAh, yes, it's already morning for you...
23:56:40JdGordon8am :'(
23:57:02amiconnIn my place it's just turning midnight
23:57:37amiconnTime zones are a strange concept ;)
23:58:17JdGordonwell not really strange.. just inconvienient..
23:58:40JdGordon.. and it gets worse soon... DST comes in/out randomly about nowish worldwide

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