| 00:03:26 | astronut | Arathis: when i have time (never) i will look, heh |
| 00:03:34 | astronut | Arathis: thanks, i'm going to check this out next week |
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| 00:18:18 | Arathis | astronut: little correction: there are not two CPUs, but two cores on the CPU and only one of it is used so far |
| 00:18:43 | Arathis | but that leads to the same, so just technical description issue ;) |
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| 03:19:30 | excitatory | how can one test if the usb device that's plugged in is using usb1.1 or 2? |
| 03:19:46 | excitatory | i thought it had something to do with the 'lsusb' command.. but i could be mistaken. |
| 03:21:20 | | Part astronut |
| 03:21:48 | Mikachu | try lsusb -vvv |
| 03:21:59 | Mikachu | maybe one v is enough, more helps with lspci anyway :) |
| 03:22:16 | Mikachu | look at the bcdUSB field |
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| 03:26:58 | buzzard | hi guys |
| 03:27:07 | buzzard | i have a question |
| 03:27:19 | buzzard | can anyone help me out |
| 03:27:41 | midkay | not if you don't ask it. |
| 03:27:47 | buzzard | lol ok |
| 03:28:11 | buzzard | umm well i wanted to know if the ipod 5g is capable of playing video in rockbox |
| 03:28:40 | excitatory | Mikachu: ok, so this is rather odd.. |
| 03:28:46 | midkay | it plays MPEG-2 video without sound, so not really. |
| 03:28:55 | midkay | that's entirely WIP. |
| 03:29:04 | buzzard | yea thats what i figured |
| 03:29:12 | godzirra | WIP? |
| 03:29:20 | excitatory | i'm looking at the output for my plugged in 1g nano.. and it looks like it's usb2.. |
| 03:29:20 | midkay | work-in-progress.. |
| 03:29:44 | midkay | buzzard: rockbox is primarily about audio playback, anyways. nobody's really focused on video support. |
| 03:29:57 | midkay | i.e. don't expect it running very well very soon. |
| 03:30:25 | excitatory | which seems normal.. but i was told that without the apple firmware, i.e., using emergency disk mode, the device uses usb 1.1.. and it sort of always seemed like it, but this new information says differently.. |
| 03:30:30 | buzzard | i understand but if your gonna put out a new operating system for an ipod that is has these capabilitys why not utilise them |
| 03:30:46 | buzzard | it should have been accounted for after all the name implies it all |
| 03:30:53 | buzzard | ipod video 5g |
| 03:31:17 | midkay | it's not about utilizing them, you don't just say to the hardware "okay, play some video". you have to port or write a decoder, optimize it like crazy to work at realtime (we don't have access to the video decoder chip in the 5Gs as it is..)... |
| 03:31:35 | excitatory | buzzard: true, but would you rather the devs not support it (even if it's just audio) at all.. |
| 03:31:46 | midkay | buzzard: keep in mind we're an entirely unsupported-by-apple, unofficial on-our-own complete rewrite. |
| 03:31:55 | buzzard | ohh i know |
| 03:31:57 | excitatory | buzzard: keep in mind this project is very new, but the project, like most oss projects, are short handed. |
| 03:31:59 | buzzard | iam not new here |
| 03:32:08 | excitatory | ok |
| 03:32:12 | buzzard | ive been with rockbox since it started |
| 03:32:20 | midkay | audio playback is superb, for what it's worth, and that's what we're about, not gimmicks like video. |
| 03:32:24 | midkay | why don't you use the retail OS for video? |
| 03:32:28 | Mikachu | this giant enemy crab |
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| 03:32:57 | buzzard | well the thing is rockbox is interfering with apple os |
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| 03:33:03 | excitatory | Mikachu: what do you think about what i said about EDM and usb 1.1 on the nano? |
| 03:33:08 | Mikachu | no idea |
| 03:33:12 | midkay | buzzard: interfering how? it shouldn't. |
| 03:33:13 | Mikachu | i just know lsusb |
| 03:33:15 | excitatory | hrm.. ok |
| 03:33:19 | excitatory | thanks though :D |
| 03:33:23 | buzzard | this is what happens |
| 03:33:33 | buzzard | i put music in side the rockbox |
| 03:33:42 | buzzard | and when i go into my apple os |
| 03:33:52 | buzzard | the videos are moved into music folder |
| 03:33:59 | buzzard | and play as sound files |
| 03:34:07 | buzzard | instead of video |
| 03:34:21 | midkay | 'into music folder'? you aren't putting them on right, then. it has to be through iTunes and there's no other reason they'd play as audio.. or is TV-out set to on? |
| 03:34:51 | buzzard | no tv out is not set to on |
| 03:34:55 | midkay | rockbox certainly won't change whatever problem you're having, it leaves apple OS entirely unaffected. |
| 03:35:17 | buzzard | umm i don't put music through the itunes |
| 03:35:21 | buzzard | its take to much time |
| 03:35:29 | buzzard | i made music folder |
| 03:35:36 | buzzard | and put all my music in |
| 03:35:41 | buzzard | and it plays all of it |
| 03:35:50 | midkay | "the itunes" is the way you HAVE to do it for any music or video to be usable in apple OS. |
| 03:35:52 | buzzard | my ipod acts as an external hardrive |
| 03:36:11 | midkay | it goes the same speed as a file transfer, too. |
| 03:36:21 | buzzard | actully it much faster |
| 03:36:38 | buzzard | casue i don't have to put it in my librarey and then tranfer it into my ipod |
| 03:36:41 | buzzard | so it better |
| 03:36:48 | buzzard | iam not dependent on itunes |
| 03:36:54 | midkay | what's the problem with putting it in your library? it should add pretty much instantly. |
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| 03:37:08 | midkay | you don't have to be, unless you want to play music or video from apple OS. |
| 03:37:11 | buzzard | yea it take time though |
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| 03:37:24 | midkay | buzzard: a few seconds at most, no? |
| 03:37:32 | buzzard | ohh i know video i go through apple os |
| 03:37:38 | buzzard | i put it into itunes |
| 03:37:48 | buzzard | but music i don't bother with itunes |
| 03:38:17 | buzzard | i only has this problem when i updated my firmware |
| 03:38:26 | buzzard | befor it wasn't like that |
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| 03:38:33 | buzzard | i didn't have this issue |
| 03:38:52 | buzzard | but its become an annoying problem |
| 03:39:03 | midkay | i'd follow apple's instructions and run things through iTunes. if you're not doing things the way they should be done, then it's not particularly suprising that things are acting up. |
| 03:39:24 | buzzard | what you mean |
| 03:39:33 | buzzard | becasue i don't put my music through itunes |
| 03:39:34 | midkay | this isn't the place to ask for iTunes help, anyways. Rockbox won't make things work or make them not work as far as apple OS goes. |
| 03:39:44 | midkay | exactly, and i'm telling you to, because you're supposed to. |
| 03:40:13 | buzzard | yes but that dosnt explian the reason why the video files are moving into the music folder |
| 03:40:31 | midkay | hm? they're supposed to go in the music folder, they mix in with the music. |
| 03:40:35 | midkay | but they *play* from the video menu. |
| 03:40:41 | buzzard | exactly |
| 03:40:50 | buzzard | instead they go to the music menu |
| 03:40:54 | TrueJournals | Hey... does anyone know of a faster way to build rockbox under Windows XP other than cygwin? |
| 03:41:03 | TrueJournals | Cygwin seems to take forever... |
| 03:41:14 | buzzard | instead of staying in the video menu |
| 03:41:14 | midkay | buzzard: once more, i don't know why, i'm speculating that maybe it has something to do with the fact that you're not copying your music the way you should. |
| 03:41:22 | midkay | TrueJournals: VMware is much much faster.. |
| 03:41:27 | buzzard | ok fair enough |
| 03:41:34 | buzzard | ill try it this way |
| 03:41:36 | TrueJournals | midkay: thanks! |
| 03:41:42 | buzzard | most likely your right |
| 03:41:49 | midkay | TrueJournals: sure, check the wiki page for instructions. :) |
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| 03:42:10 | midkay | buzzard: i have no idea, i haven't heard of this before, but I haven't heard of anybody copying music via explorer and playing it in appleOS either. |
| 03:42:22 | buzzard | no |
| 03:42:27 | buzzard | you got it wrong |
| 03:42:40 | buzzard | i put it into explorer and play the music in rockbox |
| 03:43:15 | buzzard | but when i switch to apple os |
| 03:43:25 | buzzard | the videos go into the music menu |
| 03:43:35 | buzzard | and play as mp3's instead of videos |
| 03:44:07 | buzzard | do you get it now |
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| 03:44:23 | midkay | i do. |
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| 03:44:56 | buzzard | it makes no sence to me why that would happen |
| 03:45:10 | buzzard | since iam not even touching the apple os |
| 03:45:26 | |matt| | Is there a way to remember the CPU boost or force it to 10 or something? |
| 03:45:27 | midkay | what do you mean? |
| 03:45:47 | midkay | |matt|: no (not yet, at least), unfortunately. |
| 03:45:48 | buzzard | well i only go to watch videos |
| 03:46:04 | midkay | FWIW, 1 is the same as 2 or 10 or 627. |
| 03:46:04 | buzzard | and play all my music in rockbox |
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| 03:46:32 | raizor | nuts |
| 03:46:39 | midkay | buzzard: dunno, it's weird. have you tried recopying them or anything? |
| 03:46:39 | raizor | it's driving me crazy on the 4th gen |
| 03:46:52 | buzzard | well i did |
| 03:46:54 | midkay | raizor: same on my 5G, i just have to always boost it when i start up. |
| 03:47:00 | buzzard | i had this incident several times |
| 03:47:07 | buzzard | before i came to make sure |
| 03:47:11 | buzzard | this is a problem |
| 03:47:16 | raizor | midkay: oh it's the problem there too? dear me |
| 03:47:32 | raizor | midkay: it's a wonder they don't just put some defines in and force boost it to 10 on the ones where it's unstable |
| 03:47:37 | midkay | it isn't a rockbox one.. buzzard: did you re-extract the firmware and broadcom image before reinstalling the Rockbox bootloader after updating? |
| 03:47:55 | midkay | raizor: well, not unstable, but just really slow.. |
| 03:48:09 | buzzard | i installed rockbox through an installer |
| 03:48:18 | buzzard | and so it did eveything for me |
| 03:48:24 | midkay | buzzard: which? |
| 03:48:27 | raizor | midkay: It doesn't crash on you? Mine does. Reading the forums it seems to be a problem on 4th gens |
| 03:48:44 | buzzard | i don't know some rockbox installer 7.7 |
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| 03:49:15 | midkay | raizor: yeah, 4G is known to be quite unstable. |
| 03:49:29 | midkay | buzzard: well that could well be the problem. |
| 03:49:40 | buzzard | but bare in mind that i didn't have this problem until |
| 03:49:52 | buzzard | i went to the new update for the apple os |
| 03:50:15 | buzzard | so it wouldn't be anyhtign to do with the istaller |
| 03:50:19 | buzzard | it did its job |
| 03:50:39 | midkay | er.. huh? |
| 03:50:48 | midkay | if you install the apple firmware update, it'll get rid of the rockbox bootloader. |
| 03:51:00 | buzzard | right it did |
| 03:51:08 | buzzard | and then i use the installer agin |
| 03:51:17 | buzzard | to reinstall rockbox |
| 03:51:30 | buzzard | then the problem started occuring |
| 03:51:37 | midkay | why not doing it the official way (i.e. a few commands in the cmd prompt)? |
| 03:51:57 | buzzard | well i don't know i found it to complicated |
| 03:52:08 | buzzard | from reading the wiki |
| 03:52:12 | buzzard | the wiki is of no help |
| 03:52:18 | buzzard | its to complicaited |
| 03:52:20 | midkay | if you're using unofficial installers that's not going to help. |
| 03:52:32 | buzzard | they may be unoffical |
| 03:52:46 | midkay | what? how? it tells you very clearly just four or five commands to type in, that's it. |
| 03:52:56 | buzzard | but they installe the rockbox bootloader that you support |
| 03:52:59 | midkay | no need to decipher or understand them, just type and hit enter. |
| 03:53:38 | buzzard | they want you to download certain files then place then somewhere |
| 03:53:43 | buzzard | and then some commands |
| 03:53:44 | midkay | buzzard: that's like saying, well, i bought this battery that ford officially supports, but i had my 10-year-old install it for me and he kinda blew it up.. they'd better repair it free-of-charge. |
| 03:53:54 | midkay | buzzard: right. download to somewhere, run a few commands. |
| 03:53:58 | midkay | that's it, the end. |
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| 03:54:10 | docwhat | Yello! |
| 03:54:38 | docwhat | I have Rockbox on an iPod Mini and I have a question! |
| 03:54:38 | docwhat | How do I get it to use the same defaults on startup? |
| 03:54:45 | docwhat | everytime? |
| 03:55:36 | midkay | docwhat: like the settings you set in the menus, or what? |
| 03:55:49 | docwhat | Yeah, like replaygain on, and the WPS I'm using, etc. |
| 03:56:07 | midkay | it should save them every time you shut down.. set everything up the way you want, then hold PLAY to shut down (make sure it's not menu+select, which force-restarts it). |
| 03:56:58 | docwhat | Well, I'm not sure if it's a problem with my pod or what, but it resets alot, like when I plug it into USB.... |
| 03:57:05 | docwhat | And it looses all the settings then. |
| 03:57:14 | midkay | you need to not have HOLD on when you boot it up or plug it in. |
| 03:57:20 | | Part TrueJournals |
| 03:57:39 | midkay | if the hold switch is on while rockbox starts up, it'll reset your settings (poor implementation of a rarely-useful feature). |
| 03:57:51 | docwhat | having HOLD on when it boots clears the settings? Hmm...so having HOLD and plugging it into to USB is bad? |
| 03:57:54 | docwhat | That's silly. |
| 03:58:20 | midkay | silly-ish. useful in some cases, but it could really use a better key mapping. |
| 03:58:24 | midkay | that's the rules for now, though.. |
| 03:58:27 | docwhat | midkay: where does it save the options? |
| 03:58:44 | midkay | docwhat: actually, once you set your stuff up, save out a config file so you can reload it if it gets reset. |
| 03:58:48 | Mikachu | rb could check that the cable isn't in when resetting the settings |
| 03:59:05 | midkay | Mikachu: or we could just remap it to some other key? :) |
| 03:59:16 | docwhat | It seems like I cause it to reset a lot, for no reason. I'd rather have a file that contained the settings.... |
| 03:59:30 | docwhat | And then have it save the settings anytime it spins up the disk. |
| 03:59:30 | Mikachu | docwhat: manage settings -> write .cfg file |
| 03:59:45 | docwhat | Mikachu: Yeah, I have a .cfg now...but it is still annoying. :-/ |
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| 04:00:06 | midkay | (1) avoid having HOLD on when it boots. (2) reload the cfg if it does. |
| 04:00:11 | midkay | rules to live by :) |
| 04:00:25 | docwhat | midkay: thanks for the info. |
| 04:00:25 | Mikachu | i made it not reset if the headphone cable is in |
| 04:00:48 | docwhat | It is still annoying. Rockbox shouldn't train the user. The user should train Rockbox.... |
| 04:01:16 | docwhat | :S |
| 04:01:18 | Mikachu | the idea is that you have to flip hold on pretty quickly after turning it on |
| 04:01:22 | midkay | docwhat: well, it's a safety thing, if you set up some unreadable LCD settings or so. but once more, it's a poorly-implemented safety thing, and it definitely needs a move to a button or something. |
| 04:01:23 | myzar | then program your own firmware replacement |
| 04:01:24 | Mikachu | but i guess they didn't think about putting the usb cable in |
| 04:01:29 | myzar | it's assumed that you can read a general page |
| 04:01:32 | myzar | and learn how to do something |
| 04:01:35 | Mikachu | checking that the cable isn't in is enough |
| 04:01:42 | myzar | and if you cannot, write your own and make it work how YOU want it |
| 04:01:46 | myzar | otherwise, stop complaining |
| 04:01:46 | midkay | Mikachu: no it isn't. |
| 04:01:56 | docwhat | midkay: Yeah, but if you can change the settings via the harddrive/flash whatever (USB Mass Storage) then it is resetable. |
| 04:02:18 | Mikachu | docwhat: it's not always you have a computer with you |
| 04:02:18 | midkay | if i plug in USB, it starts Rockbox and reboots to USB mode, okay, rockbox detects USB and ignores. now if i unplug from USB mode with hold still on, the usb cable is no longer present, but i still just left USB mode.. |
| 04:02:31 | docwhat | myzar: Don't be rude. I read the wiki and the manuals and then came here to see if this feature really didn't exist. |
| 04:02:35 | midkay | docwhat: you can't, not exactly. |
| 04:02:36 | Mikachu | hm, okay |
| 04:02:37 | myzar | oh, no docwhat |
| 04:02:42 | myzar | i didn't mean to be rude |
| 04:02:54 | docwhat | myzar: It's hard to tell with just typing. :-D |
| 04:02:59 | myzar | but this is the second person that can't read simple instructions, then goes further on to blame the developers |
| 04:03:20 | docwhat | midkay: yeah, that's annoying. hmm... |
| 04:03:29 | myzar | if it isn't listed anywhere, then yes, you may ask and a developer can answer to the best of their knowledge |
| 04:03:42 | midkay | myzar: no need to moan, we're taking care of it. i didn't see you trouble yourself with providing any answers. |
| 04:03:47 | docwhat | myzar: Don't worry. I'm grepping the source AND the documentation. |
| 04:03:56 | myzar | in that case, kudos to you |
| 04:04:02 | myzar | i'm not moaning midkay |
| 04:04:03 | docwhat | myzar: I plan on hacking rockbox, too.... |
| 04:04:35 | docwhat | I'm a usability/applications engineer. So this stuff interests me. |
| 04:04:43 | myzar | was that comment you made about training rockbox half serious? |
| 04:04:50 | midkay | myzar: next time someone asks you a question that might be somewhere obscure in the wiki or manual, feel free to tell them to look.. but we just *finished* explaining it, and it's surely not very prominent in the docs. |
| 04:05:09 | myzar | no, midkay |
| 04:05:19 | myzar | i'm not talking about the act of actually checking it |
| 04:05:31 | docwhat | myzar: Yes. Applications should work the way the users expect, or in the way the user can explain (in an obvious way). You shouldn't train the users. Excepts include things like "resets". I see the problem with the "reset settings". |
| 04:05:40 | myzar | i'm talking about the fact that people complain and blame something |
| 04:05:51 | docwhat | Mikachu: What are the failure modes for bad configurations. |
| 04:05:53 | myzar | but docwhat, you can't just magically tell a program to do something |
| 04:05:59 | Mikachu | docwhat: a whatnow? |
| 04:06:00 | myzar | you need to program it to do it |
| 04:06:08 | Mikachu | maybe you meant midkay |
| 04:06:13 | docwhat | myzar: developers? I didn't blame them. I blamed current rockbox. It's clay, let's mold it! :-D |
| 04:06:13 | myzar | either by hacking it, or asking a dev to make whatever you want an option |
| 04:06:14 | midkay | myzar: well, i think we can all agree it's pretty silly to have it set up the way it is. it just hasn't been remapped yet. |
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| 04:06:31 | myzar | silly it may be, but there is probably a reason why it is like that |
| 04:06:37 | docwhat | Mikachu: When the settings are horrible and require a reset (via the HOLD trick), what is going on? |
| 04:06:46 | myzar | but if you can find a developer, ask them to perhaps include what you want as a feature |
| 04:07:00 | midkay | myzar: if it bothers you that users are unhappy with some little thing, it's nothing you need to worry about. i'm technically a developer, so consider the complaint heard... :) |
| 04:07:02 | Mikachu | docwhat: can be many things |
| 04:07:15 | Mikachu | docwhat: fg and bg colors being the same |
| 04:07:21 | docwhat | Mikachu: Like contrast all the way down? Uhm...lemme think. Fonts too big or small? Wrong language... |
| 04:07:25 | myzar | i'm not at all unhappy |
| 04:07:26 | midkay | contrast also. |
| 04:07:32 | myzar | and i'm not bothered by it |
| 04:07:38 | midkay | myzar: others are, and these are some people we need to listen to. |
| 04:07:48 | myzar | but people say "it's too hard to install. the developers suck" |
| 04:07:54 | myzar | and stuff like that |
| 04:07:56 | docwhat | Mikachu: Okay, I have an alternative.... |
| 04:08:07 | myzar | and at that point, if they can't follow simple instructions |
| 04:08:10 | docwhat | Mikachu: How about this. Flipping hold on-and-off 3 or 4 times? |
| 04:08:13 | midkay | myzar: who said it was too hard to install? the first guy? go ahead and bother him, that was pretty dumb. i didn't see anybody say the developers suck. |
| 04:08:14 | myzar | or give the effort to find how to do something |
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| 04:08:25 | myzar | they don't deserve to be using rockbox |
| 04:08:26 | myzar | no, midkay |
| 04:08:29 | myzar | i'm talking in general |
| 04:08:31 | myzar | not just today. |
| 04:08:44 | midkay | myzar: thanks for the rant, then, but you can save it for when somebody's legitimately being an ass :) |
| 04:08:45 | Mikachu | i would be happy if you stopped talking |
| 04:08:46 | * | docwhat hugs myzar to cheer him up. :-D |
| 04:09:04 | myzar | you can cheer me up by helping me reverse exactly why the new 80 gig ipods don't work with rockbox |
| 04:09:22 | myzar | until then... YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME! NOTHING! |
| 04:09:24 | Mikachu | i hear we have our top guys working on it |
| 04:09:27 | myzar | well, unless you make me some pie |
| 04:09:27 | myzar | :P |
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| 04:09:37 | docwhat | myzar: Alas, while I used to work at an embedded company, I am a usability/applications guy. :-/ |
| 04:10:02 | docwhat | So, where is the code for the HOLD switch...? |
| 04:10:11 | docwhat | HOLD/reset switch? |
| 04:10:20 | Mikachu | why would you turn on hold when you don't have the player in your pocket? |
| 04:10:28 | Mikachu | are you worried a cat will jump on the table and press buttons? |
| 04:10:40 | TrueJournals | You never know... |
| 04:10:41 | midkay | i disagree about the flicking it several times.. |
| 04:10:42 | TrueJournals | ;-) |
| 04:10:44 | docwhat | Mikachu: Nah, I just had the hold on, plugged it into USB, then unplugged it. |
| 04:10:58 | docwhat | midkay: Good. Why? |
| 04:11:08 | midkay | quite easy to trigger, maybe you're just messing around or you do it inadvertently.. |
| 04:11:09 | Mikachu | you could just make it pop up a dialog "do you want to reset settings?" |
| 04:11:17 | Mikachu | "press play to affirm" |
| 04:11:36 | docwhat | Mikachu: hmm....you may not be able to read it...but if you had a wiki entry... |
| 04:11:39 | midkay | in fact just today (maybe for the first time since i got my iPod) i played with the hold switch a bit (no joke). on and off consecutively maybe four times.. |
| 04:11:45 | Mikachu | (obviously first loading the default colors) |
| 04:11:52 | docwhat | midkay: even if it was 4 times? |
| 04:11:54 | midkay | Mikachu: that's a good idea, right. |
| 04:12:10 | midkay | docwhat: hm? i flicked it four times today, that'd have triggered it. |
| 04:12:52 | docwhat | midkay: but it's not catastrophic. And if the settings were restored and it said, "Settings successfully restored, press select to continue", you'd know not to do it again. :-) |
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| 04:13:07 | midkay | docwhat: some people are twitchy! :D |
| 04:13:09 | docwhat | Actually, that's another bug. The settings were restored, but I (the user) wasn't told. |
| 04:13:20 | midkay | i'm the kind of guy that'd do that.. flick it out of boredom.. |
| 04:13:22 | Mikachu | docwhat: you are, it says "settings cleared" |
| 04:13:22 | docwhat | midkay: I have ADD. I know twitchy. :-D |
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| 04:13:29 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:13:31 | docwhat | Mikachu: huh. I must have missed it. |
| 04:13:40 | Mikachu | yeah, it times out after like 1 second :) |
| 04:14:10 | docwhat | Mikachu: no, it should wait for a key press....let me make notes... |
| 04:14:26 | * | midkay strongly votes for dialogbox. |
| 04:14:38 | midkay | just like the delete file dialog.. |
| 04:14:43 | midkay | or even. wiat. |
| 04:15:05 | midkay | we already have a function to call for resetting in the menu, right? i'm quite sure of it, it asks "Reset settings? Play = Yes, Menu = No" or so.. |
| 04:15:26 | Mikachu | you just have to reset the settings before showing the dialog |
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| 04:15:31 | Mikachu | and if you say no, load them from disk again |
| 04:15:41 | Mikachu | or i suppose, do all of this before actually loading the settings |
| 04:15:42 | docwhat | Mikachu: perfect! |
| 04:15:47 | docwhat | Mikachu: I love it! |
| 04:15:55 | Mikachu | so you can be reasonably sure the dialog will work |
| 04:16:03 | Mikachu | right, someone go do it :) |
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| 04:16:45 | Mikachu | hm, i wish there was a startup.c, i always forget which file this is in |
| 04:16:56 | docwhat | Mikachu: where do I go in the wiki to get an environment up and running in Ubuntu quickly....or do I have to build my own cross compiler. |
| 04:17:03 | midkay | main.c maybe? |
| 04:17:07 | docwhat | I also see a uisimulator that looks useful. |
| 04:17:14 | Mikachu | yeah i just grepped for my added button_hold check |
| 04:17:44 | Mikachu | it already does if (button_hold()) settings_clear() else load_settings() |
| 04:17:48 | Mikachu | so the whole thing is before loading them |
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| 04:17:52 | Mikachu | so showing a dialog can't fail |
| 04:18:05 | docwhat | excellent! |
| 04:18:06 | Mikachu | probably the user is smart enough to turn off hold before trying to press a button |
| 04:18:32 | Mikachu | it is around line 430 |
| 04:18:32 | midkay | haha. yeah. |
| 04:18:36 | docwhat | Well, if not they'll learn. :-D That's a pretty clear UI convention for these devices. Most have it. |
| 04:18:57 | docwhat | If you're really paranoid, add a "you may have to turn off HOLD, first" |
| 04:19:04 | Mikachu | omg, ifdef of the day |
| 04:19:08 | Mikachu | #if defined(SETTINGS_RESET) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD) |
| 04:19:11 | Mikachu | #ifdef SETTINGS_RESET |
| 04:20:08 | midkay | haha. wtf. |
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| 04:20:20 | Mikachu | it's not as silly as it looks from those two lines :) |
| 04:20:30 | TrueJournals | HOLY CRAP VMWARE IS FASTER |
| 04:20:31 | midkay | oh, i see... |
| 04:20:34 | TrueJournals | that's all I have to say... |
| 04:20:39 | midkay | TrueJournals: haha. 'tis :D |
| 04:20:53 | TrueJournals | lol... it took like half an hour in cygwin... |
| 04:20:58 | Mikachu | docwhat: you have a real ubuntu running already? |
| 04:21:12 | docwhat | Yeah, I'm on Edgy Eft on my laptop right now. |
| 04:21:31 | Mikachu | then i think there is a script you can get that installs crosscompilers for you |
| 04:21:34 | midkay | TrueJournals: haha. yeah, cygwin is *slow*. |
| 04:21:36 | Mikachu | maybe it's included in cvs |
| 04:21:37 | docwhat | Mikachu: I submit bugs and stuff for lots of projects, including Ubuntu. |
| 04:21:43 | docwhat | Mikachu: Is that the rockboxdev.sh? |
| 04:21:49 | Mikachu | i'd guess so |
| 04:22:19 | Mikachu | it's really just like 10 commands in total to install them and compile rockbox |
| 04:22:26 | docwhat | heh. |
| 04:22:30 | Mikachu | assuming you already have a host compiler |
| 04:23:27 | docwhat | Mikachu: What are my options for emulating the ipod? Can I use QEMU? I haven't looked at the UISIMULATOR, but looks like a framework, not an emulator... |
| 04:23:30 | Mikachu | midkay: hm, there is a static void reset_settings in settings_menu.c |
| 04:23:45 | docwhat | hmm....laptop is busy.... :-D compiling gcc.. |
| 04:23:51 | Mikachu | i wonder if it's alright to use gui_syncyesno_run before everything is up and running |
| 04:24:05 | midkay | Mikachu: call that, i think.. give it a try maybe? no idea :) |
| 04:24:09 | Mikachu | midkay: obviously i meant static bool |
| 04:24:20 | Mikachu | midkay: it needs to be non-staticed in that case |
| 04:24:21 | * | Mikachu tries |
| 04:24:33 | docwhat | Mikachu: On last question. What's the worse I can do with a development rockbox to my ipod? |
| 04:24:39 | docwhat | s/On/One/ |
| 04:24:43 | midkay | Mikachu: er.. :E :) |
| 04:25:10 | Mikachu | docwhat: not much, i guess you can get the sad ipod face if you try hard enough |
| 04:25:21 | docwhat | What do I need to do to recover that? |
| 04:25:35 | docwhat | Or is that doom.... |
| 04:25:47 | Mikachu | just put back a working rockbox |
| 04:25:54 | Mikachu | (reboot to emergency disk mode first) |
| 04:25:56 | docwhat | oh. no problem then. |
| 04:26:12 | Mikachu | the only way to really break your ipod as i understand it, is if you upgrade the apple fw and hard reset it while it's flashing |
| 04:26:19 | docwhat | Mikachu: I have to do taht a lot, because my ipod resets constantly when I plug it running rockbox. |
| 04:26:29 | docwhat | ouch. |
| 04:26:37 | docwhat | cool! That's great. |
| 04:27:09 | Mikachu | it somewhat worked |
| 04:27:13 | Mikachu | it shows the dialog |
| 04:27:17 | Mikachu | and answering no works fine |
| 04:27:20 | Mikachu | but saying yes just hangs :) |
| 04:27:28 | docwhat | whups. |
| 04:27:32 | Mikachu | ah oops |
| 04:27:37 | Mikachu | it calls settings_reset |
| 04:27:46 | Mikachu | and then settings_apply |
| 04:27:49 | docwhat | Mikachu: Can you tell me when you check that in? I want to learn what you did. :-D |
| 04:28:27 | Mikachu | i can't check stuff in |
| 04:28:30 | Mikachu | i'm just a mere mortal |
| 04:28:37 | docwhat | oh. |
| 04:30:20 | Mikachu | i'll just copy the whole function and modify it a bit |
| 04:33:13 | Mikachu | i'll let someone else do this :) |
| 04:34:29 | Mikachu | cool, the apple fw crashed |
| 04:36:05 | Mikachu | i think it's not okay to call that code at that point |
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| 05:04:31 | yipe | hi rockboxers, sorry to bother you, but I can't figure out where to put .fnt files |
| 05:05:15 | docwhat | .rockbox/fonts ? |
| 05:05:40 | yipe | I don't seem to have that folder |
| 05:06:00 | godzirra | unip the archive into .rockbox |
| 05:06:05 | godzirra | it will work out if you extract it with path names. |
| 05:06:15 | yipe | okay, thank you ت |
| 05:06:29 | yipe | you're much more polite than the debian people : |
| 05:06:32 | yipe | :P |
| 05:06:34 | docwhat | yipe: I'm just a user too. But on my ipod thingy there is a directory .rockbox, unzipping the -font.zip package Did The Right Thing. |
| 05:06:36 | docwhat | :-D |
| 05:06:50 | docwhat | developers can be cranky. |
| 05:06:54 | yipe | I know |
| 05:06:57 | yipe | thank you very much |
| 05:07:01 | docwhat | Ciao! |
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| 05:07:53 | Teknomancer | some ppl. on other channels here are so full-of-themselves, its unbelievable |
| 05:08:29 | docwhat | It's hard to tell, though. i mean, IRC isn't the most natural way to convey meaning to someone. |
| 05:08:44 | docwhat | No expressions, you can't see if they are angry, tired, happy, sad. |
| 05:08:51 | Teknomancer | well some ppl are downright just rude |
| 05:09:06 | Teknomancer | just because they know more than the other person who's asking |
| 05:09:07 | docwhat | Teknomancer: :-D |
| 05:09:27 | Teknomancer | well if you're tired/sad/angry its better to just not answer than |
| 05:09:36 | psiborg | probably because they're getting alot of stupid questions :) |
| 05:09:56 | Teknomancer | heh, not exactly |
| 05:09:58 | psiborg | but i agree with you on that :) |
| 05:10:20 | docwhat | Teknomancer: I'm a know it all. I'll admit it. I'm good at my job. And being egotistical sounding is very helpful, when talking to peers. But sometimes I forget to turn off my "precise, concise and arrogant" tone of voice; non-technical people don't appreciate it. ;-/ |
| 05:10:34 | Teknomancer | i know people who are so much more knowledgable than some of the "experts" on some channels, |
| 05:10:38 | docwhat | Heh. |
| 05:10:41 | Teknomancer | and they act like they're gods or something |
| 05:10:42 | Teknomancer | pffft |
| 05:11:05 | docwhat | :-) Well, some people don't know or don't realize that knowing it and being able to share it are different things. |
| 05:11:05 | Teknomancer | i'm talking about technical ppl asking technical ppl :) |
| 05:11:30 | Teknomancer | in fact i got a Private message from one of the channel members saying |
| 05:11:31 | docwhat | I have to admit. I never fully understood most people's attitudes. |
| 05:11:42 | docwhat | s/most/those/ |
| 05:11:44 | Teknomancer | "You really don't need to change your nick name every few hours to indicate what your doing" |
| 05:12:31 | Teknomancer | and all i did was do Tek[away] or Tek[afk] when i was not there ... and one of them thinks i'm wasting lines by changing my nick.. man. |
| 05:12:43 | docwhat | regarding not responding when sad, etc. - Not everyone has that control. I have ADD, sometimes I can't help myself. I forget I'm unhappy. :-) |
| 05:12:43 | Teknomancer | and not even too often, just 2 times a day or so... |
| 05:12:50 | docwhat | Teknomancer: I think that's a culture clash. |
| 05:13:16 | docwhat | Teknomancer: I knew IRC servers/channels where that was the norm in the 90s. On other servers/channels, it was taboo. |
| 05:13:16 | midkay | i don't mind afk/away (though /away is less intrusive) - but i HATE when people do it for every little thing that nobody cares about. |
| 05:13:31 | docwhat | midkay: ditto. |
| 05:13:42 | Teknomancer | midkay thats what i said, i did it just twice for a period of 30 hours |
| 05:13:46 | Teknomancer | for = over |
| 05:13:59 | midkay | tek[dinner], tek[shower], tek[work] all within like 20 minutes isn't uncommon for some people, i hate it. :) |
| 05:14:18 | Teknomancer | midkay yes but i didn't do that |
| 05:14:51 | midkay | Teknomancer: some do, that was my point. :) |
| 05:15:10 | Teknomancer | anyway i left that channel |
| 05:15:30 | Teknomancer | as i hated seeing fights between 2 people telling each other "I know more gaming coding and game engine stuff than you" |
| 05:15:43 | Teknomancer | and arguing over how much experience they had and stuff |
| 05:16:14 | midkay | haha. annoying. |
| 05:16:18 | docwhat | geez, that stuff always sucked. And the best was when they had a pissing contest like that when they could be coding [mud|game|palm] instead. |
| 05:16:57 | Teknomancer | the one guy was telling the other, you are a n00b you cannot write your own engine |
| 05:17:06 | Teknomancer | and the other guy was, I have the confidence to write and its not that hard |
| 05:17:35 | Teknomancer | and that started the whooole long argument, i'm glad i left that channel, i joined thinking i will learn something/help other people |
| 05:18:08 | Teknomancer | learnt that people can be annoying as hell, and helped myself by leaving |
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| 05:20:13 | docwhat | woo-hoo. I have my first self compiled rockbox running.... |
| 05:20:19 | docwhat | now I need to get the gdb version going... |
| 05:20:48 | Teknomancer | cool |
| 05:20:54 | docwhat | indeed. |
| 05:21:23 | docwhat | I want to find out why the thing reboots constantly (every 2 seconds) when I plug it into USB. (ipod mini 2g) |
| 05:21:30 | docwhat | huh... |
| 05:21:42 | docwhat | /home/docwhat/projects/rockbox/rockbox-devel/build-dbg/apps/main.o: In function `init': |
| 05:21:43 | docwhat | /home/docwhat/projects/rockbox/rockbox-devel/apps/main.c:504: undefined reference to `debug_init' |
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| 05:32:55 | docwhat | hmm....My C is too rusty. I see debug_init() defined extern in firmware/exports/debug.h Shouldn't that let it resolve? No...this is LD, not gcc...hmm. debug.c should be linked in here? |
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| 05:34:54 | docwhat | Ah, I grok it. GDB support doesn't work for ipod. Of course, it doesn't have a serial cable. I guess the USB Mass Storage channel isn't enough. |
| 05:34:56 | docwhat | *sigh* |
| 05:35:09 | docwhat | Is there a document for the logf stuff? |
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| 05:35:24 | docwhat | It's like a printf, neh? |
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| 05:40:05 | Teknomancer | i have enabled "Last.fm log" option in Rockbox |
| 05:40:14 | Teknomancer | where can i see the log file ? |
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| 05:42:08 | Teknomancer | ah in root i think |
| 05:42:26 | k-man_ | what hardware can i buy today that rockbox works on? |
| 05:42:36 | k-man_ | something that can record preferably |
| 05:43:33 | docwhat | k-man_: did you check the web site? |
| 05:43:47 | k-man_ | yeah |
| 05:43:58 | k-man_ | its not very clear on the website |
| 05:45:06 | docwhat | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 05:45:08 | docwhat | Try that. |
| 05:45:20 | docwhat | :-) |
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| 05:47:06 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 05:47:19 | k-man_ | so how do i tell if a particular model of device is still available? |
| 05:48:17 | k-man_ | oh, you can put it on ipod nano's? |
| 05:48:28 | docwhat | Not the brand new ones (yet) |
| 05:48:39 | docwhat | And not the brand new ipod videos (yet) |
| 05:48:49 | k-man_ | oh |
| 05:48:50 | k-man_ | ok |
| 05:49:02 | k-man_ | but you can record onto the ipodnano? |
| 05:49:05 | k-man_ | thats cool |
| 05:49:14 | docwhat | My wife just got a 60gb ipod video (the ones not from sept.) and it should work. |
| 05:49:25 | docwhat | You have to buy extra stuff.... |
| 05:49:29 | docwhat | (hardware) |
| 05:49:30 | k-man_ | oh? |
| 05:49:32 | k-man_ | you do? |
| 05:49:36 | k-man_ | what hardware? |
| 05:49:38 | docwhat | Yeah, they don't come with the mikes. |
| 05:49:43 | k-man_ | oh |
| 05:49:43 | docwhat | Go to an apple store. |
| 05:49:45 | k-man_ | damn |
| 05:49:48 | k-man_ | what does |
| 05:49:53 | docwhat | I don't know anything about rockbox support it. |
| 05:50:00 | k-man_ | ok |
| 05:50:06 | docwhat | The mike for the ipod video was like 50 60 US dollars. |
| 05:50:09 | docwhat | 50 or 60 |
| 05:50:20 | k-man_ | crips |
| 05:50:24 | k-man_ | cripes even |
| 05:50:26 | k-man_ | thats expensive |
| 05:50:39 | docwhat | yeah. |
| 05:50:44 | docwhat | What's it for, just asking. |
| 05:51:04 | k-man_ | err.. |
| 05:51:14 | k-man_ | would be cool to record my guitar teacher playing sometimes |
| 05:51:19 | docwhat | ah. |
| 05:51:21 | k-man_ | and also record myself sometimes |
| 05:51:29 | docwhat | Thought I'd ask. |
| 05:51:31 | docwhat | :-) |
| 05:51:42 | k-man_ | :) |
| 05:51:57 | docwhat | Well, not to berate the latest greatest technology, but they sell at office depot cheap tape casset recorders... :-) |
| 05:52:18 | docwhat | I gotta go to bed. Tired. :-) |
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| 06:15:42 | funky | hi |
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| 06:18:00 | Abst | Is there any way to charge my iPod while using Rockbox? |
| 06:18:38 | Abst | Nevermind, I rtfm |
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| 06:32:56 | godzirra | Abst: so is there? :) |
| 06:33:07 | Abst | Yep |
| 06:33:12 | Abst | Hold menu while plugging in USB |
| 06:33:46 | Abst | Its menu or select |
| 06:33:56 | Abst | Menu |
| 06:34:14 | scorche | Abst: you should have told him to RTFM himself ;) |
| 06:34:18 | godzirra | Huh. neat. |
| 06:34:22 | godzirra | Yeah, probably. |
| 06:34:30 | godzirra | but its late. I wouldnt do it tonight and I'd forget by tomorrow :) |
| 06:34:31 | Abst | scorche: Haha |
| 06:34:50 | Abst | Yay |
| 06:34:58 | Abst | I've finally got soem use out of my iPod on Linux. |
| 06:35:08 | Abst | When I use Apple firmware it just corrupts my iTunesDB |
| 06:35:44 | godzirra | I just detest itunes. |
| 06:36:03 | Abst | Linux doesn't have iTunes. |
| 06:36:12 | Abst | Is it me or is the music deeper on Rockbox |
| 06:36:26 | Abst | Sounds nicer |
| 06:38:16 | godzirra | I just hate itunes. |
| 06:38:41 | Abst | Echoo |
| 06:41:40 | godzirra | I wonder w here Kalthare was last night. |
| 06:41:47 | godzirra | err tonight. |
| 06:41:52 | godzirra | He asked me if I was here last night when I was afk |
| 06:41:56 | godzirra | so I'm wondering if he figured something out |
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| 06:51:27 | Abst | Playback is jumpy |
| 06:53:10 | godzirra | playing what? |
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| 07:00 |
| 07:00:34 | Abst | Nvm |
| 07:00:38 | Abst | Where do I put new themes |
| 07:00:39 | Abst | ..wps files |
| 07:00:57 | godzirra | in the wps directory ;) |
| 07:01:02 | Abst | They dont show up |
| 07:01:06 | Abst | In the browse themes |
| 07:01:18 | Abst | I'm trying to install H300Pod_e |
| 07:01:52 | godzirra | Thats because a wps isnt a theme |
| 07:01:53 | godzirra | its a wps :) |
| 07:02:02 | Abst | Where do I put the folder |
| 07:02:05 | Abst | oooh |
| 07:02:29 | Abst | How do I use it as a theme |
| 07:06:09 | godzirra | no idea ;) |
| 07:06:12 | godzirra | I'm off to bed |
| 07:06:14 | godzirra | later folks |
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| 07:08:35 | pagefault | the battery usage on my h10 is phenomenol now |
| 07:08:38 | pagefault | whatever someone did |
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| 07:08:47 | pagefault | or at least the battery meter works properly now |
| 07:09:54 | Teknomancer | pagefault how much GB can H10 hold ? |
| 07:10:03 | pagefault | mine is 5gb |
| 07:10:11 | Teknomancer | oh, what's the Max ? |
| 07:10:19 | Teknomancer | is there a 40 gig version ? |
| 07:10:22 | pagefault | mine is 5gb |
| 07:10:23 | pagefault | oh |
| 07:10:25 | pagefault | the max is 20gb |
| 07:10:30 | Teknomancer | hmm, |
| 07:10:41 | pagefault | but there is no UMS version for it yet |
| 07:10:49 | Teknomancer | oh :( |
| 07:10:54 | pagefault | so you have to keep booting it in emergency mode to copy files |
| 07:10:59 | Teknomancer | then it's of no use to me |
| 07:11:12 | Teknomancer | so u need particular software to transfer files ? |
| 07:11:18 | pagefault | it's MTP otherwise |
| 07:11:25 | pagefault | but in emergency mode it's UMS |
| 07:11:30 | pagefault | you hold a button while powering on |
| 07:11:31 | Teknomancer | hmm |
| 07:11:34 | pagefault | the 5gb can be converted |
| 07:11:40 | pagefault | but the 20gb I don't think can be |
| 07:11:48 | Teknomancer | oh i see |
| 07:11:58 | pagefault | mine used to be MTP |
| 07:12:01 | pagefault | now I run the UMS formware |
| 07:12:07 | pagefault | firmware |
| 07:12:09 | pagefault | it's easier |
| 07:12:57 | Teknomancer | ah okay |
| 07:13:00 | Teknomancer | thx for the info pagefault |
| 07:14:09 | pagefault | oh wow |
| 07:14:17 | pagefault | I didn't know fm transmitters were banned in euope |
| 07:14:21 | pagefault | europe |
| 07:14:23 | pagefault | how strange |
| 07:17:37 | _jhMikeS_ | not really |
| 07:17:56 | pagefault | they seem to be banned in the UK at least |
| 07:18:01 | pagefault | according to this article |
| 07:18:14 | Bluechip | it's an unimposed law |
| 07:21:47 | scorche | not enforced you mean? |
| 07:21:50 | _jhMikeS_ | that's what they call them these days huh |
| 07:22:20 | Bluechip | it's there to stop pirate radio stations from drowning paid-stations |
| 07:22:33 | Bluechip | not to stop you from listening to your walkman on your car radio |
| 07:26:53 | _jhMikeS_ | unenforced law [n]: A type of law when now broken is not enforced and with which you are at liberty to comply |
| 07:27:00 | _jhMikeS_ | now = not |
| 07:27:43 | _jhMikeS_ | and unenforced = unimposed even |
| 07:27:51 | * | _jhMikeS_ blew that one |
| 07:27:57 | Bluechip | lol |
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| 07:30:31 | * | jhMikeS enjoys toying around with thinking like a agent of the state |
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| 07:40:54 | myzar | MUSHROOM MUSHROOM |
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| 07:48:17 | thegeek | badger != Bagder |
| 07:52:04 | myzar | err. |
| 07:52:14 | myzar | bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder |
| 07:52:17 | myzar | . |
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| 08:13:29 | BHSPitLappy | ...oh....wait.... |
| 08:14:11 | BHSPitLappy | blast, another victim to Bagder's mind game! |
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| 08:33:58 | daurn | snake |
| 08:34:53 | * | daurn grabs fishboot |
| 08:34:56 | daurn | *bot |
| 08:43:23 | luckz | okay |
| 08:43:34 | luckz | so how do I get my X5 to actually create a proper playlist of the files on it? |
| 08:43:56 | luckz | if I create a playlist with fb2k, it gets immense unicode issues and just whines around |
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| 08:52:52 | Quazgaa | luckz: playlists are for sissies |
| 08:53:27 | luckz | Quazgaa: rockbox tells me it needs a playlist to do anything, thus I assume rockbox is for sissies? |
| 08:54:24 | Quazgaa | rockbox doesnt require a playlist |
| 08:54:53 | luckz | "A playlist! One of the keys to getting the most out of Rockbox is understanding that Rockbox always considers the song that it is playing to be part of a playlist [..]" |
| 08:55:42 | LinusN | yes, when you play a directory, rockbox creates a playlist automatically |
| 08:56:53 | luckz | I'd rather play stuff globally than just one directory. |
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| 09:18:28 | luckz | does anybody have a clue how rockbox handles "foreign" file names, exactly? |
| 09:19:05 | Bagder | there's a unicode wiki page to study I believe |
| 09:19:50 | LinusN | luckz: what is "handle" in your case? |
| 09:22:15 | luckz | well, things like unicode. how it wants a playlist to look for it to find file names with ö or é or whatever in them. |
| 09:22:55 | petur | ? is an illegal character for a filename |
| 09:23:18 | Teknomancer | petur it is ? |
| 09:23:27 | luckz | mh, still can't get my ö to work. :/ |
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| 09:23:56 | petur | on fat it is (* and ? are wildcards) |
| 09:24:12 | petur | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/18/apple_ipod_virus_infection/ |
| 09:24:14 | Teknomancer | hmm ah maybe in FAT32 ... |
| 09:24:18 | Teknomancer | petur ah fine |
| 09:25:28 | luckz | so I just have to run some auto-replace to change all my letters it can't deal with into ? in the playlist? |
| 09:26:11 | petur | afaik, rockbox handles unicode fine |
| 09:26:25 | * | petur doublechecks on his iriver |
| 09:27:36 | petur | I have a bunch of icelandic songs and all their weird looking names are ok ;) |
| 09:27:38 | luckz | awesome. |
| 09:27:41 | luckz | made it work. |
| 09:28:03 | luckz | I made it do a playlist catalog playlist with files affected, then looked what encoding that was |
| 09:28:27 | luckz | because there, unlike when normally creating playlists, it uses ansi&utf, not just ansi, it seems |
| 09:28:41 | petur | there is something about playlist... m3u isn't unicode I think, there's another format, can't remember, that does it |
| 09:29:16 | petur | m3u8 maybe? |
| 09:29:46 | luckz | I think it doesn't like m3u8, rockbox |
| 09:29:56 | luckz | I already tried renaming m3u8 things to m3u to see if it does that, months ago |
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| 09:30:09 | * | petur looks at markun |
| 09:30:52 | petur | luckz: months is a *very* long time in rockbox land :) |
| 09:31:20 | luckz | I know :) |
| 09:31:25 | luckz | but I have it working now, I hope. |
| 09:33:12 | luckz | now to find a nice wps |
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| 09:41:02 | * | myzar licks Bagder |
| 09:41:27 | * | petur hands myzar another badge :p |
| 09:41:37 | myzar | IM NOT TROLLING |
| 09:41:41 | myzar | i just wub my Bagder |
| 09:41:42 | myzar | :P |
| 09:42:36 | Bagder | amiconn: step 1 done |
| 09:45:42 | Slasheri | ah, playlist.c is saving settings way to often causing poor performance |
| 09:46:07 | Slasheri | especially resume performance can be many many times faster with extra save_settings call removed |
| 09:46:54 | myzar | Slasheri |
| 09:47:03 | myzar | have you found a fix for the playlist issue on 5.5 30s? |
| 09:48:10 | BHSPitLappy | are we past the, "just plain running" issue for 5.5G's? |
| 09:48:39 | Slasheri | myzar: Hmm, what issue is that? |
| 09:49:45 | myzar | heh |
| 09:49:56 | myzar | well, apparently there is a crash on playback |
| 09:50:01 | myzar | on only the 30 gig 5.5s |
| 09:50:08 | myzar | and someone mentioned an issue with playlist |
| 09:50:28 | Slasheri | ah, hmm |
| 09:50:44 | myzar | something related to playlist control? |
| 09:50:46 | myzar | let me check |
| 09:51:02 | myzar | (Kalthare) What crashes it is the playlist control file being updated. |
| 09:51:11 | myzar | (Kalthare) Now I'm updating the tag cache during playback, and it's handling it like a champ. So, yeah, the playlist code is the problem here. |
| 09:51:19 | myzar | not sure if this is the issue or if i misunderstood |
| 09:51:31 | myzar | as for the 80 gigs not working, i haven't the foggiest |
| 09:57:37 | luckz | uhm |
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| 09:59:32 | luckz | the whole last.fm log option thing, that actually currently works? |
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| 10:00:00 | petur | I think there's a working patch, yes |
| 10:01:22 | luckz | shouldnt I set default codepage to unicode if all my mp3s have unicode tags? |
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| 10:03:59 | luckz | okay, now I broke something? :x |
| 10:04:06 | luckz | mh |
| 10:04:12 | luckz | had a crash/black screen on startup |
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| 10:05:07 | Teknomancer | the last.fm log is a text file? |
| 10:05:25 | luckz | guess so |
| 10:05:42 | luckz | and then you use that app to submit it, LogScrobbler |
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| 10:06:15 | Teknomancer | luckz can't Rockbox do a feature to just read the textfiel and showed "Most Listened" on the player itself?? |
| 10:06:31 | Teknomancer | that would be cool for ppl who want to have statistics without using last.fm |
| 10:06:50 | luckz | that should use a different way of handling stats, though, then |
| 10:07:04 | petur | Teknomancer: I think tagcache has something experimental for that |
| 10:07:07 | luckz | because the last.fm stuff is designed to be submitted and then deleted, from what I understand |
| 10:07:12 | Teknomancer | petur tag cache? |
| 10:07:30 | petur | yes, tagcache |
| 10:07:33 | Teknomancer | well i just want stats like Most listened track, artist ... |
| 10:07:36 | Teknomancer | does tagcache do that? |
| 10:07:37 | luckz | mean gather runtime data, petur? |
| 10:07:38 | luckz | or something else? |
| 10:07:51 | petur | I think it's that, yes |
| 10:07:59 | Teknomancer | petur so its a plugin for rockbox? |
| 10:08:11 | petur | have't looked at it tho |
| 10:08:55 | luckz | Teknomancer: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=486875&postcount=4 |
| 10:09:01 | Teknomancer | thx |
| 10:09:08 | luckz | that seems to do more or less just that |
| 10:09:14 | Quazgaa | sphinctologists |
| 10:09:16 | luckz | plus added.. autorating. |
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| 10:13:08 | Teknomancer | "These stats are available through the ID3 file view options Best tracks and List played tracks." |
| 10:13:17 | Teknomancer | hmm i dont understand where i can see the TagCache stats .. |
| 10:13:50 | Slasheri | Teknomancer: yes, tagcache does that |
| 10:13:53 | Slasheri | and it works well |
| 10:14:03 | Teknomancer | Slasheri how to see the stats it collected? |
| 10:14:06 | Slasheri | you should change view mode to "id3 database" |
| 10:14:13 | Slasheri | and enable gather runtime data option |
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| 10:14:18 | Slasheri | and of course initialize tagcache |
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| 10:14:54 | Teknomancer | Slasheri in TagCache i've initialized it |
| 10:15:02 | Teknomancer | and switched gather time data to ON |
| 10:15:12 | Teknomancer | where can i see the stats that it collects? |
| 10:15:21 | Slasheri | so now you see tagcache menus including those last played tracks etc? |
| 10:15:33 | Teknomancer | Slasheri where? |
| 10:15:46 | Slasheri | go to settings |
| 10:15:49 | Slasheri | then.. just a momemt |
| 10:15:49 | Teknomancer | k |
| 10:16:00 | markun | luckz: I am working on support a fix for the playlist encoding problem |
| 10:16:10 | luckz | markun: there is no problem. |
| 10:16:19 | markun | Well, for some people there is |
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| 10:16:28 | Slasheri | general settings - fileview - show files |
| 10:16:32 | Slasheri | and select id3 database |
| 10:16:34 | luckz | you just have to use UTF enocoding in the m3u, from what I see, markun |
| 10:16:38 | Slasheri | then the menu should change |
| 10:16:38 | luckz | at least my tests indicate that that works |
| 10:16:49 | Teknomancer | Slasheri hmm |
| 10:16:56 | Teknomancer | Slasheri in "Show Files" i don't have "Id3 database" |
| 10:17:09 | Teknomancer | ah sorry i have |
| 10:17:09 | Teknomancer | sec |
| 10:17:10 | Slasheri | are you running a bleeding edge build? |
| 10:17:15 | markun | luckz: that is the problem. Other programs (like winamp) expect and generate m3u files in the default codepage. |
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| 10:17:22 | Teknomancer | Slasheri yeah i have it so i change to ID3 database? |
| 10:17:27 | Slasheri | yes |
| 10:17:28 | luckz | markun: open with notepad++, choose utf, voila |
| 10:17:31 | luckz | fixed. |
| 10:17:32 | Teknomancer | Slasheri okay changed, |
| 10:17:34 | luckz | it's not that hard. |
| 10:17:35 | Teknomancer | Slasheri now? |
| 10:17:45 | luckz | and winamp is idiocy : |
| 10:17:45 | Slasheri | Teknomancer: now back out from the menu |
| 10:17:47 | luckz | *:) |
| 10:17:48 | markun | It's not hard, but with my fix you don't even need to do that |
| 10:17:51 | Teknomancer | Slasheri ah i think i got it |
| 10:17:53 | Slasheri | and you should see tagcache menu |
| 10:17:55 | Teknomancer | Slasheri thanks a lot |
| 10:17:55 | Slasheri | good |
| 10:17:58 | Slasheri | :) |
| 10:18:33 | Teknomancer | Slasheri hmm |
| 10:18:34 | markun | luckz: btw, if you have your tags in unicode the codepage shouldn't matter |
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| 10:18:46 | luckz | markun: I know, I just wondered :p |
| 10:18:47 | Teknomancer | Slasheri when i choose "Artist" in id3 its saying "TagCahce is not ready" |
| 10:18:58 | luckz | Teknomancer: then make the poor thing initialize |
| 10:19:04 | Teknomancer | luckz i did |
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| 10:19:10 | Teknomancer | luckz let me try again |
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| 10:19:38 | Teknomancer | i chose "Initialise Now" option in TagCache |
| 10:19:55 | Teknomancer | let me try a reboot |
| 10:20:44 | Slasheri | Teknomancer: did you wait until disk spun down? |
| 10:20:51 | Teknomancer | Slasheri hmm :) |
| 10:21:01 | Teknomancer | well i tried "Artist" |
| 10:21:04 | Teknomancer | to choose a song to play |
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| 10:21:18 | Slasheri | no, but after you choose "initialize now" |
| 10:21:34 | Slasheri | after disk has spun down, then you need to reboot |
| 10:21:46 | Slasheri | and it should take a few minutes to initialize |
| 10:21:49 | Teknomancer | yah i waited for sometime |
| 10:21:56 | Teknomancer | artists are working now |
| 10:21:56 | petur | Slasheri: shouldn't there be a splash 'Tagcache is busy' and no shutdown, just like with battery charging? |
| 10:22:16 | Slasheri | petur: probably not because it's not critical to shutdown |
| 10:22:39 | Slasheri | tagcache can continue updating next time the unit has been booted up (with auto update enabled) or running manual update |
| 10:22:42 | petur | or maybe an 'are you sure? y/n' |
| 10:22:54 | Slasheri | petur: however, when committing in background, then player refuses to shutdown |
| 10:23:08 | petur | ah ok |
| 10:23:42 | Teknomancer | k thanks .. |
| 10:23:49 | Teknomancer | i'll check after a while to see if the stats are working |
| 10:24:07 | Slasheri | Teknomancer: yep, stats are not updating immediately |
| 10:24:17 | Slasheri | you need to play a few songs before anything is displayed |
| 10:24:21 | Teknomancer | Slasheri yah they need to update on spin down of disk |
| 10:24:35 | Teknomancer | k |
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| 10:26:34 | _singer | i need help with my rockbox |
| 10:26:43 | _singer | i get a error i think when loading rockbox |
| 10:26:49 | markun | which error |
| 10:26:51 | _singer | it says -25 at the top of my screen |
| 10:27:09 | _singer | and its nowhere in the manual |
| 10:27:23 | markun | which player do you have? |
| 10:27:51 | _singer | the latest build |
| 10:27:57 | _singer | rockbox-ipodvideo-20061018 |
| 10:28:59 | Mmmm | could -25 be the volume? do any buttons do anything? |
| 10:29:27 | _singer | -25 might be volume heh |
| 10:29:30 | _singer | but yea the buttons all work |
| 10:29:33 | markun | :) |
| 10:29:34 | _singer | but when i click rockbox |
| 10:29:36 | _singer | and it says loading |
| 10:29:43 | _singer | it goes back to main screen |
| 10:29:49 | _singer | doesnt go into the player i guess |
| 10:29:55 | * | LinusN tries not to giggle |
| 10:30:10 | _singer | it says ROLO Loading... or whatever |
| 10:30:14 | petur | put some music files on it (non-itunes ones) |
| 10:30:26 | * | petur giggles anyway |
| 10:30:32 | _singer | but i thought the tag cache fixed that |
| 10:30:47 | petur | then change file view to tagcache |
| 10:31:12 | * | petur points to the manual |
| 10:31:26 | _singer | i did that already |
| 10:31:35 | _singer | i loaded it to ram |
| 10:31:40 | _singer | ran the tag cache |
| 10:31:43 | _singer | restarted ipod |
| 10:31:46 | _singer | went to rockbox |
| 10:31:51 | _singer | said loading 1/7 |
| 10:31:59 | _singer | then when it finished 6/7 it stopped |
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| 10:32:07 | _singer | and went back to main |
| 10:32:30 | LinusN | have you selected "id3 database" as the file view? |
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| 10:32:49 | _singer | let me check |
| 10:33:44 | _singer | i did now |
| 10:34:21 | luckz | those people. |
| 10:34:22 | _singer | oh man |
| 10:34:23 | _singer | it works |
| 10:34:33 | LinusN | it's a little confusing to have to select "ID3 database" to enable Tag Cache |
| 10:34:33 | _singer | damn |
| 10:34:35 | _singer | thank you guys |
| 10:34:42 | luckz | why can people all not fucking park properly? |
| 10:34:48 | _singer | lol |
| 10:34:52 | _singer | most people park shit luckz |
| 10:34:52 | Teknomancer | luckz hehe :) same question i ask always |
| 10:34:58 | _singer | my car got hit the other day |
| 10:35:01 | _singer | cuz of a shitty parker |
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| 10:35:33 | Teknomancer | there was once a time where a woman parked here car in such a way it blocked the exit and we had to wait for an hour for her to finish her shopping and take her car out |
| 10:35:40 | Teknomancer | and when she finally did, she didn't even say sorry |
| 10:35:41 | Teknomancer | pfft |
| 10:35:47 | LinusN | Ceterum censeo tag cachinem esse renamam :-P |
| 10:35:59 | lini | guys, the rombox.UCL is still some 260 bytes over the limit :( Is there a way I can strip out some of the code that i don't use, e.g. tagcache? |
| 10:36:08 | Nimdae | wee, all that redness on the latest cvs build is my fault >.> |
| 10:36:14 | lini | for example removing some files from apps/SOURCES? |
| 10:36:37 | Bagder | lini: just removing it from there won't be enough |
| 10:36:41 | _singer | one more question, im playing a song now, how do i go back to see the artists? |
| 10:36:46 | petur | Teknomancer, luckz: if you still have questions about scrobbler, the creator of the patch (obo) is now here ;) |
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| 10:37:01 | Teknomancer | petur ah okay, no not really |
| 10:37:05 | Teknomancer | tagcahce is enough for me |
| 10:37:07 | Teknomancer | i dont use last.fm |
| 10:37:08 | obo | eek! |
| 10:37:09 | LinusN | Nimdae: it often helps to install the compilers on a build server :-) |
| 10:37:12 | Teknomancer | thanks anyway petur |
| 10:37:19 | Nimdae | eh, i blame redhat |
| 10:37:23 | Nimdae | and the acbuild script |
| 10:37:26 | lini | Bagder: can I just create some stubs then that do nothing and do not take up any mem? |
| 10:37:26 | luckz | markun: what you could fix is unicode in scrobbler log :D |
| 10:37:38 | Bagder | lini: sure |
| 10:37:48 | * | obo goes to read the log... |
| 10:37:56 | lini | which files should i look in first? |
| 10:38:42 | LinusN | Nimdae: what did red hat do wrong? |
| 10:38:42 | lini | tagcache.c i guess :) |
| 10:38:47 | Nimdae | SDL |
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| 10:38:57 | Nimdae | i replaced redhat's SDL packages with source install |
| 10:39:09 | _singer | ohh |
| 10:39:15 | _singer | you press the middle button to go back? |
| 10:39:17 | _singer | when playing a song |
| 10:39:26 | _singer | lol |
| 10:39:30 | _singer | im too new to this |
| 10:39:34 | _singer | sorry |
| 10:39:35 | LinusN | Nimdae: is your server kermit.pimpinwithmuppets.com? |
| 10:39:38 | Nimdae | and really, the acbuild script problem was my fault, i didn't pay attention to the path being reset |
| 10:39:41 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 10:39:44 | LinusN | ../tools/configure: line 1245: arm-elf-gcc: command not found |
| 10:39:46 | luckz | obo: http://www.last.fm/user/Luckz , note the unicode issues |
| 10:39:53 | LinusN | hardly redhats fault |
| 10:39:54 | Nimdae | yeah, that's fixed |
| 10:39:54 | dan_a | Nice score! |
| 10:40:05 | Nimdae | the sim build for ipodnano |
| 10:40:07 | Bagder | can I count that score as mine? ;-) |
| 10:40:07 | luckz | and why is ö okay and ü is not?! |
| 10:40:13 | Nimdae | that had a crapload of sdl errors |
| 10:40:29 | _singer | damn this software is so 1337 |
| 10:40:47 | scorche | oh god... |
| 10:40:51 | scorche | make it stop! |
| 10:41:18 | obo | luckz: yup, that's not so good... |
| 10:41:22 | Nimdae | it's all fixed now though |
| 10:41:24 | obo | luckz: what are you using to upload the log files? |
| 10:41:33 | luckz | LogScrobbler |
| 10:41:36 | Nimdae | at least, when i did test builds, it worked |
| 10:41:44 | obo | luckz: is that the .NET windows app? |
| 10:41:45 | * | scorche returns to idling after his outburst |
| 10:41:46 | luckz | the log file looked fine to me |
| 10:41:47 | luckz | think so.. |
| 10:41:57 | luckz | what would you have me use? |
| 10:41:58 | luckz | :p |
| 10:42:13 | obo | luckz: I have some music with extended characters - the perl script has been fine so far :) |
| 10:42:33 | luckz | where's the perl script again? |
| 10:42:57 | obo | There is a link on the patch page to Mysticriver |
| 10:43:12 | Nimdae | maybe another commit will go before i go to bed so i can make sure it works ;) |
| 10:43:13 | luckz | the perl client? |
| 10:43:23 | luckz | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=22288&pos=0 ? |
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| 10:44:13 | obo | luckz: Thats the one |
| 10:44:19 | Topic | "uncle Rockbox has use for YOUR superfast build server!" by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) |
| 10:44:31 | petur | lol |
| 10:44:42 | * | Bagder goes to the corner |
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| 10:44:52 | petur | hahaha |
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| 10:46:26 | luckz | obo: wasn't there some website that could handle the whole issue? |
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| 10:46:54 | obo | luckz: yes, but it depends how much you trust your last.fm user/pass to a site on a .ru domain..... |
| 10:47:15 | luckz | but installing perl makes baby jesus cry :( |
| 10:47:18 | luckz | mh |
| 10:47:25 | luckz | maybe I have perl on my server. no clue. |
| 10:47:29 | luckz | how do I find out? :p |
| 10:47:47 | luckz | perl perl5.8.6 perlbug perlcc perldoc perlivp <- that looks like perl |
| 10:47:54 | obo | luckz: but I know that the perl has worked fine for me, uploading tracks with UTF-8 tags |
| 10:48:16 | * | LinusN wants to set up a logscrobbler submission service on rockbox.org |
| 10:48:27 | LinusN | s/logscrobbler/last.fm/ |
| 10:49:10 | petur | that would be nice... |
| 10:49:19 | LinusN | i also want to commit tle last.fm patch |
| 10:49:29 | obo | LinusN: I looked at trying to CGI-ify the perl version - but I know very little perl, or how to secure it properly |
| 10:49:33 | LinusN | i also want to learn to type :-) |
| 10:49:39 | luckz | :) |
| 10:49:47 | obo | I would also like you to commit the patch :) |
| 10:50:03 | LinusN | in fact, i have no issues with the current patch |
| 10:50:11 | LinusN | it works on the archos |
| 10:50:30 | petur | how about that disk spinup handler? |
| 10:50:31 | * | scorche grunts on for amiconn about bootbox |
| 10:50:46 | obo | I've had good reports on H1xx, h3xx, and x5s - I know myself it works on ipods |
| 10:50:49 | LinusN | petur: yes, that would be a nice thing |
| 10:51:31 | LinusN | hmm, maybe it should at least flush the last.fm cache when entering usb mode |
| 10:51:42 | petur | that too |
| 10:52:10 | luckz | LinusN: flush? |
| 10:52:17 | luckz | why? |
| 10:52:20 | LinusN | save to disk |
| 10:52:22 | luckz | ah |
| 10:52:22 | luckz | k |
| 10:52:24 | luckz | heh |
| 10:54:16 | * | LinusN adds a scrobbler_flush_cache() function |
| 10:55:31 | LinusN | ok, now the log is flushed to disk when entering usb mode |
| 10:56:06 | Teknomancer | LinusN does tagcache have that? |
| 10:56:13 | obo | Archos can enter USB mode whilst running rockbox? |
| 10:56:17 | Teknomancer | or need it? |
| 10:56:20 | LinusN | obo: yes |
| 10:56:28 | LinusN | obo: iriver too |
| 10:56:31 | LinusN | and x5 |
| 10:56:36 | obo | LinusN: I guess developing it on an ipod I missed that :( |
| 10:56:41 | LinusN | hehe |
| 10:57:28 | obo | LinusN: it might need to move the file creation/header to a seperate function, incase it'd deleted in usb mode? |
| 10:57:39 | * | amiconn would prefer if USB would actually work in X5 rockbox :( |
| 10:57:57 | luckz | amiconn: usb work how? |
| 10:58:00 | LinusN | amiconn: so why don't you debug it? |
| 10:58:38 | LinusN | obo: what do you mean? |
| 10:58:50 | Teknomancer | are iAudio X5's UMS ? |
| 10:58:54 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:58:57 | Teknomancer | cool |
| 10:59:05 | Teknomancer | and i think they are 40 gig models available |
| 10:59:11 | Teknomancer | so maybe after my H300 i can get that :) |
| 10:59:12 | obo | LinusN: the write_cache function assumes that the file will be there, since the init has run |
| 10:59:37 | obo | LinusN: if someone has uploaded a log file and it's been deleted... further entries won't be added |
| 10:59:43 | LinusN | obo: ok, so you only create the file at init? |
| 10:59:49 | luckz | Teknomancer: X5s only come in 20, 30 and 60 afaik |
| 10:59:52 | obo | LinusN: yes - another ipod only gotcha |
| 10:59:57 | Teknomancer | luckz k 60 then :) |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:09 | luckz | I prefer the 30 with juice, I think |
| 11:00:13 | Teknomancer | juice? |
| 11:00:19 | luckz | battery :) |
| 11:00:22 | petur | XL |
| 11:00:25 | Teknomancer | hmm |
| 11:00:34 | Teknomancer | why not 60? |
| 11:00:38 | Teknomancer | more storage space |
| 11:00:41 | luckz | less battery |
| 11:00:52 | * | petur wants 80... in his iriver |
| 11:00:55 | Teknomancer | at the rate at which i'm downloading mp3s i'll run out of 40 gigs soon :) |
| 11:01:02 | LinusN | obo: shouldn't it always create the file when it writes the cache? |
| 11:01:05 | luckz | then leave bad music at home :p |
| 11:01:15 | Teknomancer | luckz hmm :) |
| 11:01:21 | LinusN | obo: in write_cache() |
| 11:01:28 | obo | LinusN: I think so |
| 11:01:50 | luckz | I kinda get by with ~29gb used |
| 11:01:59 | luckz | if in doubt, I'll find something I don't like anyway |
| 11:02:24 | * | amiconn has 80 ...for almost 2 years, in his recorder :-P |
| 11:02:39 | * | scorche has 127 in his =P =P |
| 11:02:39 | LinusN | obo: i'll upload my patch and then you can fix the open() issue, ok? |
| 11:02:58 | obo | LinusN: okay, thanks |
| 11:03:18 | amiconn | 80 is way more than I actually use though |
| 11:03:37 | luckz | scorche: 127gb? |
| 11:03:44 | scorche | no...kb |
| 11:03:48 | scorche | yes ;) |
| 11:03:50 | luckz | did you replace zee hd? |
| 11:04:13 | scorche | considering that they came in only 6, 10, 15, and 20.....yes |
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| 11:08:01 | LinusN | obo: done |
| 11:09:01 | Bagder | ok here's my idea |
| 11:09:11 | obo | LinusN: thanks |
| 11:09:19 | Bagder | an apps/features.txt file that is using #ifdefs for defines and spits out named features |
| 11:09:24 | Bagder | to be used for the genlang |
| 11:09:44 | Bagder | like #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING [recording] #endif |
| 11:09:52 | Bagder | then we can do strings based on that feature |
| 11:11:02 | Bagder | so genlang would know the target name and a set of features |
| 11:12:57 | luckz | obo: that perl thing odesnt do anything for me |
| 11:13:41 | _singer | when i plug in my ipod, how come it doesnt show up as anything anymore? |
| 11:14:02 | _singer | not sure if its even charging either.. |
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| 11:15:07 | _singer | ah nvm |
| 11:15:11 | _singer | it restarted itself |
| 11:15:15 | _singer | worked |
| 11:16:07 | obo | luckz: have you edited the .bat file with your login info? If you're on windows you'll need to use "rem" to comment out the uneeded lines, instead of "#" |
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| 11:19:25 | Nimdae | Bagder: if kermit blows up again just take it out |
| 11:19:26 | Nimdae | i'm off to bed |
| 11:19:38 | Bagder | sure! thanks and good night |
| 11:22:04 | luckz | obo: i removed them |
| 11:22:54 | obo | luckz: if you're on windows, have you rebooted since installing perl, so the system path has a chance to update? |
| 11:22:59 | luckz | nop :p |
| 11:23:45 | * | petur thinks the whois registrant name of kermit's server has a funny name * starts to sing the song * |
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| 11:26:16 | Nimdae | petur: haha, yeah, not many people know that ;) |
| 11:26:41 | petur | didn't know you could give them such a name |
| 11:28:31 | Nimdae | well, that's my "company" name |
| 11:28:35 | petur | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevYBsShxNs |
| 11:29:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: The playlist code saving settings often is on purpose. Otherwise we would lose resume position when the target runs out of battery |
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| 11:29:36 | Nimdae | anyway, i'm gone for real |
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| 11:33:37 | magic__ | does anyone know when rockbox will support 2nd generation nanos? |
| 11:34:37 | _singer | or how to play doom |
| 11:34:42 | _singer | not just watch the demo |
| 11:35:16 | _singer | oh |
| 11:35:16 | _singer | lol |
| 11:35:18 | _singer | i got it |
| 11:36:30 | amiconn | Bagder: Nice 1st step... do I uc that the colon separated strings resemble a logical 'and'? |
| 11:36:45 | amiconn | If so, it would be more logical to actually use & |
| 11:37:03 | Bagder | no, they will appear as logical OR |
| 11:37:09 | Bagder | any of the strings can match |
| 11:37:25 | Bagder | h300 _or_ usbpower |
| 11:37:28 | Bagder | etc |
| 11:37:56 | amiconn | Hmm, but wasn't there the comma already? |
| 11:38:11 | Bagder | the comma is for within the lang file |
| 11:38:24 | Bagder | the colon is for specifying the target on the command line |
| 11:38:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:38:51 | Bagder | I could switch to comma there too of course |
| 11:39:16 | _singer | Bagder, quick question, where do i get all hte stuff i need for pacbox? |
| 11:39:19 | amiconn | ah |
| 11:39:34 | Bagder | _singer: by reading the twiki and manual for it! |
| 11:40:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | magic__: It's impossible to know when something like that will happen. |
| 11:41:02 | daurn | hows 5.5g progress? |
| 11:41:44 | _singer | yea but it says i need the roms for it, do i gotta find those myself or are they provided as well somewhere |
| 11:41:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | _singer: You must provide them for yourself. |
| 11:41:58 | magic__ | Paul_the_Nerd: do you know any successful attempts on installing rockbox on 2nd genration nanos? |
| 11:42:00 | _singer | kk |
| 11:42:00 | _singer | thanks |
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| 11:42:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | magic__: There's nothing to install yet. Rockbox doesn't have support for much of the hardware in it. |
| 11:42:21 | daurn | magic__: it'll be a total new port |
| 11:42:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Possibly all |
| 11:43:00 | magic__ | ok, thx guys |
| 11:50:34 | pondlife | PaulJam: Did I miss any more white-noise-news? Just wondered... |
| 11:52:23 | PaulJam | i haven't had much luck with testing. i wasn't able to reproduce the bug on the target with an older build. with a build from aug 01 i get the whitenoise more or less reliable in the sim, but not on target. |
| 11:52:52 | PaulJam | maybe this explains why noone noticed the bug before |
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| 12:22:29 | pondlife | PaulJam: Sorry - been away. Any idea roughly which build was the first where the white noise problem happened on the target? |
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| 12:27:01 | pondlife | The sim problem may be unrelated (although that's unlikely) |
| 12:27:03 | _singer | hey where can i get new themes for rockbo |
| 12:27:03 | _singer | x |
| 12:27:05 | PaulJam | i think i have noticed it the first time with a build from around september 26. |
| 12:27:14 | pondlife | That recent? |
| 12:27:16 | pondlife | Wow |
| 12:29:57 | PaulJam | but it could be that the problem was there on target but i didn't notice it. |
| 12:30:39 | pondlife | Maybe it's been a long-term problem, but is very timing dependent. Thus it always happened on sims, but only on the target with the new scheduler? |
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| 12:31:37 | pondlife | I really need to be able to repro it (ideally on the CVS sim). All I need to do is play one album, then when it stops, play another? |
| 12:31:57 | pondlife | I only have 128kpbs MP3, what do you use? |
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| 12:32:22 | PaulJam | i use lame −−alt-preset standart mostly |
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| 12:33:40 | pondlife | Don't suppose you could put up 2 zips for album #1 and album#2 anywhere? |
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| 12:34:11 | pondlife | Nm, I'll do some VBR encoding |
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| 12:34:41 | pondlife | No requirements on total size (e.g. bigger than the decoded buffer)... |
| 12:34:53 | Quazgaa | why not use ogg |
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| 12:35:09 | pondlife | I'm trying to duplicate PaulJam's setup |
| 12:35:18 | _singer | cuz mp3 encoded with lame 3.90.3 pwnz ogg |
| 12:35:51 | pondlife | If I was starting out now, I would use ogg, just because of the licensing. But I had an Archos, so all my stuff is mp3 |
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| 12:37:00 | PaulJam | i'm not sure, the size of the first album is only 23,4MiB, but i have the impression, that it still rebuffers near the end of the last track. |
| 12:37:19 | pondlife | OK, so I'll go for a long album #1, just in case |
| 12:38:14 | pondlife | Nothing else to the recipe then, just listen..? |
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| 12:38:58 | PaulJam | make sure that repeat is off |
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| 12:42:39 | * | Bagder reads up on the flame fest on the busybox mailing list |
| 12:44:29 | Mikachu | about the license? |
| 12:44:41 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 12:48:51 | Bagder | perhaps we should discuss GPLv3 as well? ;-P |
| 12:48:55 | * | Bagder runs |
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| 12:58:38 | * | amiconn wonders what Bagder is talking about |
| 12:59:08 | Bagder | http://lwn.net/Articles/201679/ |
| 12:59:15 | Bagder | scroll down to the busybox parts |
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| 13:03:50 | dan_a | Hmmm... looking at the file headers, we don't specify a GPL version. Doesn't that mean (IIRC) that people can choose which version they wish to follow? |
| 13:04:25 | Bagder | we ship the v2 |
| 13:04:36 | Bagder | so I'd say we mean the v2 |
| 13:07:50 | preglow | we mean the v2 |
| 13:07:57 | dan_a | Check paragraph 9 of the COPYING files, though |
| 13:08:04 | preglow | the 'any later version' part is for other people if they wish to "relicence" |
| 13:08:21 | preglow | methinks |
| 13:08:25 | Mikachu | if you don't say "or any later version" any where, it's just v2 |
| 13:08:52 | Bagder | dan_a: yes, that says that *if* we'd say "or any later version" it would apply |
| 13:08:58 | Bagder | and we don't |
| 13:09:06 | Bagder | hm |
| 13:09:07 | Bagder | no |
| 13:09:42 | Bagder | "If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation" |
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| 13:16:12 | leftright | pondlife: I also encoutered random white noise and all my music is encoded using EAC @ LAME 3.90.3 −−alt-preset standard, I encountered the white noise whilst using Random Folder Patch, I din't do accurate trouble shooting as I ditched that feature |
| 13:16:47 | pondlife | Thanks, maybe VBR is required for this to happen? |
| 13:17:02 | leftright | perhaps ?, |
| 13:18:08 | leftright | but coding isn't my forte' |
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| 13:23:09 | pondlife | PaulJam: Do you know if you can trigger white noise by listening to an album through, then playing that same album again? |
| 13:23:27 | pondlife | If not, could you try it maybe? |
| 13:23:29 | PaulJam | i haven't tried that |
| 13:24:27 | PaulJam | with a current cvs build? |
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| 13:29:01 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:29:16 | pondlife | I think we need to assume this is a fairly basic problem |
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| 13:30:15 | pondlife | The only other tests I can think of would involve going through lots of mid-Sept builds again on the device, to see if it was the playback changes, or the scheduler that started this. |
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| 13:31:02 | pondlife | Either way, if I can reproduce it then I can stick some logging in and hopefully make progress. |
| 13:36:53 | leftright | hmm was the sheduler incorporated after JdGordons Random patch ? |
| 13:37:36 | * | leftright does some research |
| 13:38:22 | Teknomancer | i don't suppose Rockbox can edit my ID3 tags of my mp3s ?:) |
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| 13:38:45 | Teknomancer | yah i know that's asking a lot .. |
| 13:40:16 | leftright | no you cant edit ID3 tas with RB |
| 13:40:28 | Teknomancer | k thx |
| 13:41:38 | Genre9mp3 | I think that there is a patch for that though I've never test it |
| 13:42:04 | Teknomancer | hmm there is? |
| 13:42:09 | Teknomancer | okay thanks |
| 13:42:35 | PaulJam | the random folder functionality was comitted after the scheduler, but the patch existed before |
| 13:42:56 | Genre9mp3 | Actually there are 2... #1008 and #5927 |
| 13:43:07 | pondlife | If the white noise is a bit of random memory being scribbled on, it might be related to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6954.0 too... |
| 13:43:35 | Genre9mp3 | Probably #1008 is out of date though |
| 13:44:02 | Genre9mp3 | And according to #5927 description, can only edit id3v1 tags |
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| 13:46:57 | Teknomancer | oh |
| 13:46:58 | Teknomancer | k |
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| 13:48:06 | pondlife | JdGordon: On H300, you reckon pitch screen is accessible from the WPS using some key combination..? |
| 13:48:19 | JdGordon | pondlife: on+up or down |
| 13:48:29 | pondlife | On = Play? |
| 13:48:39 | pondlife | Because it doesn't work here... |
| 13:48:41 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:48:52 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 13:48:55 | JdGordon | lemme check on mine |
| 13:49:13 | pondlife | Weird |
| 13:49:17 | JdGordon | doesnt work here either |
| 13:49:20 | pondlife | Toggled hold, then it works |
| 13:49:30 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, i have never heard the random noise on h140 but have had it crash many times when skipping, or buffer going desync |
| 13:49:37 | JdGordon | wow.. wierd... same here :p |
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| 13:50:09 | pondlife | JdGordon: I thought I'd ask you as you are Mr Buttons |
| 13:50:26 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 13:51:00 | pondlife | Slasheri: Well, I have heard it once or twice, but not reproducible. I have had some random crashes, normally after playing with crossfade settings during playback though!! |
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| 13:51:44 | pondlife | A memory corruptor would explain most of this though... |
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| 13:53:33 | JdGordon | pondlife: thanks for your suggestion on the ml btw, it looks like i got very confused by crossfade and crossfeed and muddled up the settnigs.. so once i fix then ill let oyu know if its all working again |
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| 13:54:27 | pondlife | Well it ought to work, but I think there is a problem in the playback code there. Probably that it's not waiting for everything to stop before it rearranges memory |
| 13:54:51 | pondlife | Not really a settings thing, but you may be exposing it. |
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| 13:55:37 | JdGordon | i dont know why tho.. because all the settings for those 2 look like they should initialize to 0... |
| 13:55:42 | JdGordon | unless that is a naughty value? |
| 13:56:08 | pondlife | No, 0 *should* be ok... |
| 13:56:33 | pondlife | If you comment out the crossfade stuff, does your problem go away? |
| 13:56:56 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:57:03 | pondlife | Ah, so maybe it's not that then.. |
| 13:57:15 | JdGordon | but isnt there a problem with it not being initislaed in settings_apply()? |
| 13:58:09 | pondlife | Yes |
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| 13:58:52 | pondlife | The playback stuff only kicks in if it reckons the buffer sizes have changed anyway, so it shouldn't normally do this. |
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| 13:59:28 | JdGordon | :'( |
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| 14:00:11 | JdGordon | will the playback code work find with default settings (from boot) with settings_reset() not called? |
| 14:00:28 | pondlife | Not sure. Should do. |
| 14:01:03 | Teknomancer | i got some album art JPGs, anyone know the filename for RB theme's to pick up the art ? |
| 14:01:06 | Teknomancer | Folder.jpg ? |
| 14:01:44 | petur | custom or experimental build I suppose? |
| 14:01:46 | JdGordon | *cough* no unofficial build support here* |
| 14:01:59 | * | JdGordon brb |
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| 14:02:02 | pondlife | JdGordon: audio_playback_init() calls audio_set_crossfade() |
| 14:02:07 | Teknomancer | petur KOSH's experimental build |
| 14:02:31 | pondlife | Best ask Kosh, then |
| 14:02:31 | petur | Teknomancer: checked the forum? |
| 14:02:33 | pondlife | :) |
| 14:02:33 | Teknomancer | but i thot album art is a standard feature of RB |
| 14:02:37 | pondlife | Nope |
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| 14:02:48 | Teknomancer | hmm, weird |
| 14:02:49 | Teknomancer | okay thanks |
| 14:02:49 | pondlife | Not yet anyway |
| 14:03:03 | Teknomancer | i'll skip album art for now then, |
| 14:03:10 | Teknomancer | i have waay to much stuff to Artify |
| 14:03:14 | petur | Teknomancer: there's an únofficial build' subforum |
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| 14:03:33 | Teknomancer | petur in MR right? yah will check it |
| 14:03:46 | Genre9mp3 | Teknomancer: It's "Cover.bmp" |
| 14:03:47 | petur | also on RB forum |
| 14:03:56 | Teknomancer | hmm |
| 14:04:00 | Teknomancer | it has to be a BMP :) |
| 14:04:04 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 14:04:14 | Teknomancer | lol, forget it then, i dont have time for conversions .. haha ,thanks anyway Genre9mp3 |
| 14:05:26 | Genre9mp3 | Teknomancer: Google for "Imagicon" ;) |
| 14:05:27 | nudelyn | you can batch convert them |
| 14:05:38 | Teknomancer | i must reboot for that |
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| 14:05:50 | * | JdGordon lost green on one of my crts! |
| 14:06:10 | Teknomancer | well i have batch converters in Zeta too, maybe i can try those |
| 14:06:11 | Teknomancer | thx |
| 14:06:16 | petur | haha looking through pink glasses :) |
| 14:09:43 | petur | brb |
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| 14:14:25 | obo | LinusN: I've updated the patch - it's just a cut and paste job - if it needs to be more elegant I'll have more time tonight to look at it (plus give it a real test) |
| 14:15:23 | LinusN | obo: goodie |
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| 14:32:04 | Teknomancer | I copied some new tracks to my player |
| 14:32:17 | Teknomancer | and in TagCache I did "Update as well as Initialize |
| 14:32:28 | Teknomancer | but its still cannot be seen in "id3 database" view .. |
| 14:32:34 | Teknomancer | but its working with FileTree mode |
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| 14:34:53 | Slasheri | Teknomancer: unless you have dircache enabled and/or tagcache loaded to ram, you need to reboot after update to see the new tracks |
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| 14:35:13 | Teknomancer | Slasheri oh so u suggest i load TagCache to RAM ? |
| 14:35:18 | Slasheri | if view tagcache info from debug menu has "Commit delayed: Yes", then you have to reboot |
| 14:35:19 | Teknomancer | or reboot is bette? |
| 14:35:32 | Slasheri | if you use it a lot, you should load it to ram |
| 14:35:36 | Slasheri | and have dircache enabled also |
| 14:35:57 | Teknomancer | hmm what do u mean by use it a lot ? |
| 14:36:00 | Teknomancer | as in change it often ? |
| 14:36:33 | Slasheri | yep, loading it to ram shouldn't affect playback time much anyway |
| 14:36:45 | Teknomancer | Slasheri okay what about "Auto Update" in TagCache? |
| 14:37:20 | Slasheri | Teknomancer: if you enable the ram features, you should probably enable that too |
| 14:37:27 | Teknomancer | k |
| 14:37:28 | Slasheri | then new tracks are automatically detected |
| 14:37:45 | Teknomancer | Slasheri and where do i enable the "dircache" u mentioned? |
| 14:37:58 | Slasheri | system - disk - dircache |
| 14:38:06 | Teknomancer | thanks |
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| 14:45:19 | pondlife | PaulJam: Another question..? Have you tagged your audio files? If so, ID3v1 or v2? |
| 14:45:52 | pondlife | I only use ID3v2, and their a bit of a hack in playback.c to deal with v1... |
| 14:46:00 | pondlife | s/their/there's |
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| 14:49:29 | PaulJam | i have removed all id3v1 tags from my files a while ago |
| 14:49:39 | pondlife | OK, so v2 only? |
| 14:50:00 | pondlife | Or none |
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| 14:52:10 | PaulJam | v2 |
| 14:52:41 | pondlife | Same as me then... never mind |
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| 15:32:41 | pondlife | PaulJam: Am onto track 3 of album 2 with no noise or WPS weirdness... |
| 15:33:07 | PaulJam | has it already rebuffered? |
| 15:34:05 | pondlife | In album 2, no |
| 15:34:36 | pondlife | I thoght you typically had problems in track 2 of album 2... |
| 15:34:48 | pondlife | 5 more tracks to go here.. |
| 15:35:21 | PaulJam | normally the whitenoise problem habbens when the track that was playing while rebuffering should end |
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| 15:39:32 | pondlife | brb |
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| 15:51:31 | pondlife | OK...just rebuffered |
| 15:53:22 | pondlife | Went onto next track fine :( |
| 15:55:45 | pondlife | And another :( :( |
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| 16:01:38 | pondlife | PaulJam: I wonder if I may have prevented it failing by going into the settings menu to look at the audio thread? My voice file was put into action.... |
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| 16:02:24 | lowlight | PaulJam, pondlife: is the whitenoise problem mp3 only? or can you get it with oggs too? |
| 16:02:41 | amiconn | PaulJam: Hmm, is the whitenoise always coupled with the playback stopping? |
| 16:02:49 | pondlife | lowlight: Sorry, don't know. I can't get it to happen at all |
| 16:02:59 | amiconn | If so, the whitenoise could be caused by voice |
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| 16:04:01 | pondlife | Something attempting to speak a filename with no voice file loaded? |
| 16:04:51 | PaulJam | amiconn: i had sometimes whitenoise without the stopping |
| 16:05:03 | pondlife | It happens during playback, after rebuffering. But all reports seem to indicate it only happens after an album has played. |
| 16:05:54 | pondlife | I was wondering if it was a problem in the PCM buffer wrap around (buf_ridx) or track details wrap around (track_ridx). But restarting playback zeroes both of those... |
| 16:07:07 | pondlife | PaulJam: How long does the white noise go on for? |
| 16:07:22 | pondlife | Until you stop, or just for a "chunk"? |
| 16:07:33 | PaulJam | pondlife: yesterday when i was testing what happens when autochange dir was enabled i had the whitenoise already at the first track |
| 16:07:45 | pondlife | On the first album? |
| 16:07:47 | PaulJam | maybe a half second or so |
| 16:07:57 | PaulJam | second album |
| 16:08:32 | pondlife | I could understand it more with autochange dir on, but not with a complete stop/restart. |
| 16:08:56 | pondlife | I've just finished album 2 and no problem. |
| 16:09:46 | lowlight | PaulJam: can you encode some oggs and play them under the same conditions? |
| 16:09:50 | pondlife | half a second could be the guard buffer being used? |
| 16:11:46 | lowlight | pondlife: if whitenoise is being played, then it must be caused by the codec (pcmbuf_insert). right? |
| 16:11:55 | Madkiss | For uninstalling rockbox, what is the correct command to be used on Mac OS? |
| 16:12:25 | pondlife | Or a bug in pcmbuf memory linking? |
| 16:13:18 | pondlife | But I don't think either of those would be related to playback rebuffering |
| 16:13:30 | pondlife | Which seems to be a definite factor. |
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| 16:16:12 | lowlight | it might if request_buffer isn't returning valid frame...yet it's somehow being inserted into the pcmbuf. |
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| 16:18:14 | amiconn | PaulJam: Do you have a voice file installed? |
| 16:18:26 | PaulJam | amiconn: no |
| 16:18:30 | lowlight | pondlife: the mp3 decoding is a bit of a hack in order to make gapless work. Which is why I keep asking about oggs. |
| 16:19:08 | amiconn | Maybe the whitenoise only happens with no voice file installed |
| 16:19:19 | amiconn | In fact that sounds familiar... |
| 16:19:20 | pondlife | PaulJam: I thought you had it happen with a voice file? |
| 16:19:40 | PaulJam | i have tried with a voicefile and had the problem too |
| 16:21:51 | amiconn | The stopping or the whitenoise? |
| 16:23:26 | PaulJam | the whitenoise, i'm not sure if i had the stopping too |
| 16:23:56 | pondlife | amiconn: Why does this sound familiar? |
| 16:26:02 | pondlife | I'd appreciate if someone could double-check audio_reset_buffer() in playback,.c. I wonder if my memory map was missing something important. |
| 16:26:29 | * | pondlife must, stop, hitting, the ,comma key by accident |
| 16:27:03 | * | daurn looks around, any new targets? |
| 16:27:43 | Bagder | there is some hope for the sansa port these days |
| 16:28:24 | daurn | any dm320 ports talked of? |
| 16:28:40 | pondlife | I based it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxMemoryLayout - but I also generated that with a bit of help from lostlogic, so we may have forgotten something small |
| 16:28:41 | Bagder | no |
| 16:30:20 | pondlife | BTW, does "Catch mem accesses" work on iRiver H300? |
| 16:30:34 | pondlife | The Wiki is Archos-centric |
| 16:30:59 | daurn | :( |
| 16:31:10 | daurn | did that shirour get anywhere with mrobe? |
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| 16:31:20 | Bagder | daurn: afaik, he never returned here |
| 16:31:40 | daurn | and the ZenM guy didn't come back? |
| 16:32:11 | Bagder | no idea, I didn't see him in the first place |
| 16:32:29 | daurn | damn |
| 16:33:02 | daurn | i'll just have to wait for neuros to damn finish |
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| 16:33:19 | Bagder | why? |
| 16:33:30 | daurn | (the OSD, so N3 work can start) |
| 16:33:45 | Bagder | and why do you need a dm320 target? |
| 16:33:53 | daurn | (N3 is their tobe ipod compeditor) |
| 16:34:09 | daurn | Bagder: no reason - i want a player with 60gb+ that isn't ipod |
| 16:34:21 | Bagder | well, by the time N3 comes there ought to be many others |
| 16:34:22 | pondlife | An Archos Recorder with a big HD? |
| 16:34:23 | daurn | and with ogg support |
| 16:34:25 | pondlife | Ah |
| 16:34:31 | Bagder | X5 has 60GB |
| 16:34:35 | daurn | (and i don't like iaudio) |
| 16:34:39 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 16:34:39 | daurn | heh |
| 16:34:51 | pondlife | The aquaducts... |
| 16:35:18 | daurn | i just don't like the control layout of X5 at all |
| 16:35:29 | Bagder | but you know the N3 will be good? |
| 16:35:33 | daurn | also, seems rather expensive |
| 16:35:46 | daurn | Bagder: it will be (better be) |
| 16:35:47 | Bagder | why would N3 be cheaper? |
| 16:36:09 | daurn | Bagder: cause i will beta test it :P |
| 16:36:39 | Bagder | by the time you can beta test that, you will be able to by x5 dirt cheap |
| 16:36:55 | daurn | still don't like it ;P |
| 16:37:15 | Bagder | I'm just amazed by your focus on dm320 and neuros |
| 16:37:27 | Bagder | the N3 is far away |
| 16:37:52 | Bagder | but sure, it will be hackable like not many others |
| 16:38:25 | daurn | not my focus on dm320 - just all the cool stuff uses it |
| 16:38:45 | daurn | theres not much around with hdds anymore |
| 16:38:54 | daurn | everything seems to be flash based :( |
| 16:39:24 | daurn | (i see flash player that i like the look of - but i just NEED storage) |
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| 16:51:05 | amiconn | pondlife: Yes, 'Catch mem accesses' does work on coldfire |
| 16:51:20 | amiconn | The wiki is in urgent need of updating :( |
| 16:51:38 | pondlife | OK. I may attempt to understand it then.. |
| 16:51:59 | pondlife | Might be useful to find if memory is being corrupted? |
| 16:52:14 | amiconn | pondlife: Whitenoise with no voice file present sounds familiar because we already had that once. |
| 16:52:57 | pondlife | IIn this case, PaulJam has had it with a build that had all of the voice stuff excluded from playback.c. Might still be talk.c though. |
| 16:53:39 | amiconn | 'Catch mem accesses' is useful for finding (1) uninitialised pointers, as that would access address 0 or some address in that range (in case the uninitialised pointer is a pointer to an array or struct) |
| 16:54:12 | pondlife | In my experience an access to address 0 crashes the H300 |
| 16:54:20 | pondlife | hard - no panic |
| 16:54:29 | amiconn | ...and (2) for finding write accesses to read-only data - but only if rockbox is running directly from flash, i.e. currently only for archos |
| 16:55:56 | amiconn | An access to address 0 shouldn't crash the iriver, as there is memory present in that range (the flash ROM) |
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| 16:56:17 | amiconn | Accesses to non-existing areas will hang the coldfire, because the bus cycle will never end |
| 16:56:26 | pondlife | Ah, maybe that's what it was |
| 16:56:58 | lostlogic | pondlife: have people other than pauljam been able to recreate the white noise? |
| 16:57:03 | lostlogic | has he sent a recording of the problem? |
| 16:57:08 | pondlife | It's been reported on the forum |
| 16:57:13 | pondlife | No |
| 16:57:33 | PaulJam | if it helps i can record it |
| 16:58:09 | pondlife | It seems to have happened on the sim ever since we had SDL audio out. It seems to have happened on target roughly since the scheduler came in. |
| 16:58:37 | pondlife | (But to confuse matters I had some playback tinkering at roughly the same time.) |
| 16:59:06 | pondlife | I suspect a long-standing issue that is timing dependent? |
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| 17:00:54 | pondlife | I have had it happen here, but only once (or maybe twice) ever. Nothing reproducible. |
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| 17:02:14 | amiconn | I only ever observed the stopping, but also only recently |
| 17:02:38 | amiconn | ...since around the time where the new scheduler was committed |
| 17:03:00 | amiconn | Can't say much about the sims - don't use them for playing music |
| 17:03:11 | pondlife | I use the H300 sim all day every day |
| 17:03:28 | pondlife | It's like the H300 but requires less charging |
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| 17:25:40 | PaulJam | lostlogic: here is a sample of the whitenoise: http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s291827/test/whitenoise_CVS-061019-0746.flac |
| 17:31:14 | PaulJam | btw. this was with CVS-061018 (there is a typo in the filename) |
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| 17:36:41 | lowlight | PaulJam: how do I go about reproducing this bug? |
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| 17:38:58 | PaulJam | reset the settings (propably optional), play a folder by selecting the first song, set repeat to off. when the folder has finished play another folder. |
| 17:39:32 | PaulJam | most times when this bug happens playback stopps after the first track of the second folder |
| 17:40:59 | lowlight | do the tracks in the first folder need to cause a rebuffer? |
| 17:41:07 | preglow | sounds like some buffer being played back |
| 17:42:09 | PaulJam | then select the second track. now playback continues normally until it rebuffers. the track that was playing while rebuffering plays longer than it should (time counts higher than the tracktime) then after some time the sound aborte and you herar short whitenoise and the next track starts |
| 17:43:48 | lostlogic | something is not reset when playback ends due to playlist end that is reset when playback ends by stop button |
| 17:43:52 | lostlogic | whatever this is leads to corruption? |
| 17:44:20 | lostlogic | does this bug happen after pressing stop rather than letting a playlist end? |
| 17:45:30 | PaulJam | the bug happens also when autochange folder is set to "random" or "yes". i don't know if it happens after manually stopping. |
| 17:46:09 | lostlogic | PaulJam: so even if the playback engine automatically selects the next folder, this will frequently happen? |
| 17:46:43 | PaulJam | i have the impression that with autochange dir it doen't happen that often |
| 17:48:05 | lostlogic | have we had any reports of this happening to users who play long playsts on shuffle, or users who always press stop as opposed to running into the end of a playlist? |
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| 17:49:00 | PaulJam_ | i have never experienced it with a playlist |
| 17:49:06 | lostlogic | that's what I figured. |
| 17:49:25 | lostlogic | ok, so playlist-end and/or directory skip handling are effed up. |
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| 17:49:42 | lostlogic | no shock there, I've never properly understood those parts of the playback engine |
| 17:49:45 | lostlogic | :-D |
| 17:50:06 | PaulJam_ | but once it happened it happens again even if you use a playlist until you restart the player |
| 17:50:49 | lostlogic | wow, that's impressive, what on earth could it break that _never_ gets reset!? |
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| 18:23:03 | lostlogic | http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/better_scheduler_boost_broken.diff <−− Don't apply, doesn't work, but can anyone tell me WHY this causes the codec to sleep for a _long_ time when it tries to sleep for "1"? |
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| 18:28:47 | lostlogic | pondlife: you might be interested in the logs from when you were gone just now. |
| 18:28:54 | pondlife | OK, will look |
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| 18:32:08 | pondlife | lostlogic: I was thinking it was something not being reset on "natural" stop. But starting playback resets everything as far as I can tell. |
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| 18:33:23 | pondlife | But how come some users (PaulJam in particular) can almost make it happen on demand, yet I cannot get a failure after weeks of trying! |
| 18:33:38 | pondlife | Maybe because my sim has debug/logf enabled and it changes the timing?> |
| 18:35:26 | * | pondlife knows nothing except he's having nightmares about white noise |
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| 18:37:06 | sawo | anybody here? |
| 18:37:13 | sawo | i need little help |
| 18:37:43 | sawo | im going to get iPOD video 80GB but im not sure if its 5G or 5.5G |
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| 18:37:50 | sawo | its brand new from apple store |
| 18:38:01 | PaulJam | 80 GB is 5.5gen |
| 18:38:09 | sawo | so rockbox doesnt support it yet? |
| 18:38:35 | PaulJam | no, not yet |
| 18:38:54 | sawo | :/ |
| 18:38:59 | sawo | i may try to install podlinux |
| 18:39:12 | sawo | it doesnt support 5.5g yet also but ill try to get it working |
| 18:40:10 | sawo | also does rockbox use linux core or not? |
| 18:40:25 | desowin | no |
| 18:40:43 | sawo | ok thx for the help |
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| 18:41:20 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you have a searchable archive of the ML around? I can't see one on the website... |
| 18:41:38 | pondlife | I'm downloading all messages via NNTP, but it's not quick |
| 18:42:11 | pondlife | Just wanted to search for the past "white noise/voice" issue. |
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| 18:43:34 | Mikachu | pondlife: http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=site%3Awww.rockbox.org%2Fmail%2Farchive%2F+white+noise&btnG=Search |
| 18:43:49 | pondlife | Thanks! |
| 18:43:53 | Mikachu | "white noise" is probably better |
| 18:44:54 | pondlife | "Also, this has been mentioned before, but transitions between voice clips, as well as audio files being played themselves (such as when fast-forwarding/rewinding or track skipping) occasionally produce an |
| 18:44:54 | pondlife | audible artifact which sounds like "chihk" or like a really short burst of white noise. I started noticing this a week or two before the code freeze." |
| 18:51:34 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: around? |
| 18:53:01 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd" I get a database error whenever I try to search in the forums |
| 18:53:18 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone else has this, too? |
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| 18:58:01 | lowlight | Genre9mp3: same here. |
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| 19:17:22 | luckz | anybody who can help me with that last.fm submit thing here? |
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| 19:23:13 | Slasheri | lostlogic: your scheduler patch wont work unless you check how statearg is handled |
| 19:24:04 | Slasheri | for example switch thread uses only if (cores[CURRENT_CORE].running->statearg) to determine if thread needs to change its state |
| 19:24:12 | * | petur hopes XavierGr is ok - pretty bad weather there |
| 19:24:31 | Slasheri | you need to add GET_STATE to determine the type of statearg |
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| 19:39:29 | lostlogic | Slasheri: thanks! |
| 19:39:50 | lostlogic | Slasheri: I guess I assumed that all uses of statearg used the macros. |
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| 19:42:04 | XavierGr | lol |
| 19:42:13 | XavierGr | petur, they always exaggerate |
| 19:42:42 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Actually, the weather is really bad in the North Aegean |
| 19:42:48 | XavierGr | I am perectly fine, and the weather is not suprisingly bad as some people report on news channels |
| 19:43:42 | XavierGr | well it is bad but not worth to make a fuss about it |
| 19:43:59 | petur | XavierGr: I just saw some short film on tv... |
| 19:44:09 | petur | looked bad enough to me |
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| 19:45:09 | XavierGr | well of course some house might have a problem in weird areas, but life here continues as normal |
| 19:45:20 | XavierGr | it is just another rainy day for me |
| 19:45:25 | petur | ok, good to hear |
| 19:45:57 | XavierGr | petur: now is your time to visit crete! :P |
| 19:46:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: This is not something I can fix myself apparently, as it means one of our tables has become corrupted as far as I can tell, and requires me to issue a command to repair the table, which I don't believe is something I can do with what I currently have access to. |
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| 19:46:27 | petur | lol |
| 19:46:50 | obo | luckz: still no joy? |
| 19:47:09 | luckz | obo! |
| 19:47:14 | luckz | obo: the timestamps are totally fucked up :D |
| 19:47:20 | luckz | http://www.last.fm/user/Luckz/ |
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| 19:47:35 | luckz | what I played "10h and 29" ago I played about an hour ago |
| 19:47:37 | * | Paul_the_Nerd is not here any more. |
| 19:47:45 | obo | what player do you have? You're in CET? |
| 19:47:52 | luckz | yet everything from the third song on, I played 7 hours ago |
| 19:48:10 | luckz | I have a X5, I'm in germany, so +2 with DST |
| 19:48:38 | obo | is your X5 set to the DST time? |
| 19:48:43 | luckz | KMFDMSplitGo To Hell (Fearing And Burning)3283S1161171239 <- first entry |
| 19:49:14 | luckz | Böhse Onkelz20 Jahre - Live In FrankfurtFesthallenjam (Bonus)10193S1161195687 |
| 19:49:53 | luckz | http://www.last.fm/user/Luckz/charts/?charttype=recenttracks <- the order there is totally off |
| 19:50:02 | luckz | the last thing I played, Nebula, I played on my pc before leaving |
| 19:50:15 | obo | are you using the perl script now? |
| 19:50:22 | luckz | yep |
| 19:50:31 | luckz | the other thing fucked up unicodeness but used proper time |
| 19:50:42 | obo | is your X5 set to DST time? |
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| 19:51:01 | luckz | −− -t UTC_OFFSET (numerical) <- ahh? |
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| 19:51:22 | obo | exactly :) |
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| 19:51:45 | obo | it'll guess if you don't supply that... but obviously better if you do |
| 19:51:50 | amiconn | obo: Rockbox has no timezone concept. Just local time |
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| 19:51:59 | luckz | wtf |
| 19:52:09 | obo | amiconn: I know, but you can still manually set it to a DST time... |
| 19:52:10 | luckz | Playtime: Wed Oct 18 16:29:25 2006 |local Playtime: Wed Oct 18 18:29:25 2006| fa |
| 19:52:13 | luckz | ked playtimeWed Oct 18 07:18:18 2006| submitted Wed Oct 18 07:18:18 2006 |
| 19:52:14 | luckz | that is from my log |
| 19:52:16 | luckz | . |
| 19:52:25 | luckz | it has the local playtime right but then does a "faked playtime" |
| 19:52:34 | luckz | .. |
| 19:52:42 | luckz | okay, it's 7 PM and it thinks it's 7 AM?! |
| 19:53:05 | luckz | I think my X5 time is perfectly fine, in any case |
| 19:53:07 | luckz | it shows as fine there, too |
| 19:53:13 | luckz | it's just that the perl script rapes it |
| 19:54:31 | lowlight | PaulJam: duplicated the playback bug in the sim...playback stopped after track 1 of the "second" directory |
| 19:54:56 | lowlight | but only for VBR mp3's, not when I played some CBR mp3s ??? |
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| 19:56:40 | PaulJam | i haven't tried it with cbr mp3s (i used −−alt-preset standard files) |
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| 19:57:33 | squeaky | ah .. lots of people |
| 19:58:01 | obo | luckz: just trying a few things here... |
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| 20:00:41 | squeaky | i've got some questions on ogg decoding, if anyone has a second to answer |
| 20:02:05 | PaulJam | luckz: in the rockscrobbler.bat, does the line contain a "-n" ? |
| 20:03:13 | lowlight | squeaky: just ask |
| 20:03:32 | squeaky | ogg decoding is only supported on the iriver and ipod, right? |
| 20:03:45 | PaulJam | luckz: the option -n specifies that the target has no realtimeclock. so it uses a faked playtime. (at least in the version i use) |
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| 20:04:29 | squeaky | i'm trying to make sense of the numbers on the CodecPerformanceComparison wiki page. what are the percentages in the table −− cpu usage? |
| 20:05:33 | XavierGr | current topic is best ever :p |
| 20:05:49 | XavierGr | and it seems that Rockbox is my favorite uncle! |
| 20:06:00 | lowlight | squeaky: yes...ogg decoding on all targets but archos. |
| 20:06:04 | amiconn | squeaky: Ogg decoding is supported on all swcodec targets, i.e. all currently supported targets except the old archoses |
| 20:06:04 | XavierGr | though I don't have a server for him :( |
| 20:06:50 | lowlight | squeaky: I think the percentages are "boost ratio" |
| 20:07:05 | squeaky | what's the boost ratio? |
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| 20:09:03 | lowlight | The cpu can run a different frequencies. Rockbox tries to run at a low freq to preserve battery, but may need to boost a higher frequency to keep up with decoding. |
| 20:09:30 | squeaky | i see. |
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| 20:10:05 | lowlight | The higher the boost ratio the more cpu power is used. |
| 20:11:09 | squeaky | are there battery runtime comparisons for these things? i found some for the ipod. do they exist for the others as well? |
| 20:12:01 | squeaky | (IpodRuntime on the wiki) |
| 20:13:27 | lowlight | Try "IriverRuntime" on the wiki |
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| 20:23:11 | squeaky | ahh, neat. |
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| 20:28:47 | luckz | arrr, didn't know that PaulJam |
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| 20:29:40 | luckz | I thought -n means to delete content of .log after submitting |
| 20:32:28 | obo | ah, that would explain it :) |
| 20:33:40 | obo | it always deletes the contents of the file - so if you're having problems it can be useful to make a copy of the log and run it on that (and use -v as well) |
| 20:33:57 | luckz | I always make a copy :x |
| 20:34:04 | luckz | well, for now |
| 20:34:07 | luckz | until it works |
| 20:34:31 | obo | o ye of little faith |
| 20:34:44 | luckz | :p |
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| 21:06:45 | lowlight | lostlogic: I can reproduce PaulJam's playback bug in the sim, but only with vbr mp3s and only with a non-logf sim...wtf? |
| 21:08:46 | PaulJam | the reproduction is not 100% reliable, you sometimes have to try 2 or 3 times to triger it. |
| 21:22:10 | lowlight | It's been reproducable with vbr mp3's so far. just not with a logf enabled sim. |
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| 21:25:09 | lowlight | reproducible |
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| 21:37:47 | lostlogic | so it's definitely a race of some sort, since logf on vs off impacts it |
| 21:37:48 | lostlogic | that's cute. |
| 21:38:09 | lostlogic | we clearly need to give another careful review of what's happening on which threads when |
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| 21:44:32 | amigan | Hrm. How come the uisimulator has lines like #include "SDL.h" instead of #include <SDL.h>? Apparently it's confusing mkdep, at least on FreeBSD, and doesn't know how to satisfy the SDL.h target (obviously) |
| 21:44:46 | luckz | heh |
| 21:45:31 | Bagder | mkdep? |
| 21:45:44 | luckz | make dependency or whatever? |
| 21:45:48 | amigan | Yes. |
| 21:45:58 | Lear | Just got a scratch on track change here... |
| 21:46:03 | amigan | Or whatever makes the .depend stuff for gmake (I dunno much about gmake, I normally use BSD make) |
| 21:46:20 | Bagder | its not a make thing at all |
| 21:46:27 | Bagder | the dep stuff is made with gcc |
| 21:46:52 | Bagder | and "" works, even if possibly a bit odd |
| 21:47:23 | Bagder | why would it confuse gcc? |
| 21:47:31 | amigan | Well I just changed them to <xyz.h> and it builds fine |
| 21:47:46 | amigan | Bagder, because usually quotes mean the include is in the current directory and not a system include |
| 21:47:55 | amigan | So apparnetly it's trying to figure out how to satisfy it. |
| 21:47:56 | Bagder | no it doesn't |
| 21:48:06 | Bagder | it simply tells how to search for the include |
| 21:48:11 | amigan | I'm not talking about the C standard, I'm talking about whatever the depend stuff wants. |
| 21:48:29 | amigan | Well you can't argue with results. I changed it and it works. |
| 21:48:32 | Bagder | I know what that wants, since I wrote it |
| 21:48:54 | amigan | (well now it's bitching because apparently there's a usb.h in my system include directory but I'll deal with this) |
| 21:48:56 | Bagder | hence my questions |
| 21:49:38 | amigan | Well what's your question? Why would it confuse gcc? I have no clue. But it does. |
| 21:49:59 | amigan | The FreeBSD gcc is basically stock gcc with a few patches to integrate it nicely with FreeBSD. I don't see how it would affect it. |
| 21:51:50 | Bagder | you could compare the dep file with and without "" changed to <> |
| 21:52:27 | Bagder | but yeah, we should also just fix those include lines |
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| 22:00:17 | amigan | Hrm. I got it to compile but now it's complaining that it can't find a bunch of symbols when it goes to link rockboxui (mostly pcm stuff) |
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| 22:17:28 | freqmod | Hello, does anybody know how to reverse int2le from scamble .c, to make le2int(int2le(x))=x? |
| 22:19:22 | Bagder | what's the problem? |
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| 22:20:32 | freqmod | i am trying to make a b-tree based database to store wikipedia titles (for use in a rockbox plugin). Then I want to save 16 bit's integers to a file and read them again endian independantly |
| 22:20:52 | freqmod | and 8, 32, and 64 bit's |
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| 22:23:30 | hcs | I use letoh16() and htole16() from system.h for swapping |
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| 22:24:43 | freqmod | ok |
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| 22:26:24 | dionoea | hello |
| 22:27:40 | preglow | freqmod: stop that wikipedia nonsense and make a new speex patch :> |
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| 22:33:01 | freqmod | I haven't done any optimalizations to speex, so there are no reasons to make a new patch |
| 22:33:36 | freqmod | currently it plays 32kHz too slow for me, when I updated rockbox. |
| 22:34:29 | preglow | are the warnings gone? |
| 22:35:17 | freqmod | yes, in the last patch, except a few extra variable definitions when you enable the last asm |
| 22:35:33 | freqmod | (which I have fixed and takes max 5 min to fix) |
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| 22:35:50 | freqmod | (btw. it works realtime again) |
| 22:36:00 | preglow | then it really should be commited soon |
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| 22:36:28 | freqmod | feel free, I can make an updated patch for current cvs. |
| 22:36:43 | preglow | cool |
| 22:37:21 | freqmod | except, that the makefile for the libspeex directory disables warnings for unused defined variables. Else we have to edit many function prototypes |
| 22:37:40 | preglow | well, i can live with that |
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| 22:38:56 | * | freqmod is downloading rockbox-bleeding |
| 22:39:00 | JB | hello? |
| 22:39:25 | sawo | sup ? |
| 22:39:38 | JB | not much |
| 22:39:42 | sawo | :) |
| 22:39:45 | sawo | teh same |
| 22:39:59 | JB | do you know anything about making fonts? |
| 22:40:15 | sawo | i have some exp with windowz fonts.. |
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| 22:40:35 | sawo | what fontz u need to make? |
| 22:40:38 | JB | I'm just trying to convert the .bdf file that I created into the .fnt |
| 22:40:45 | freqmod | preglow: Somebody that knows makefiles has to fix apps/codecs/Makefile in the speex patch |
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| 22:40:53 | sawo | what program did u used? |
| 22:41:01 | JB | FontForge |
| 22:41:14 | sawo | it should have some export option |
| 22:41:22 | freqmod | export to bdf |
| 22:41:24 | preglow | well, i surely don't know them |
| 22:41:31 | sawo | prolly Ctrl + E |
| 22:41:59 | JB | I already have the created .bdf file but I don't understand how to convert it to .fnt |
| 22:42:06 | freqmod | preglow: I have made something that works but it is a kind of a hack |
| 22:42:11 | sawo | try ctrl+e |
| 22:42:20 | freqmod | JB: rockbox root/tools/convbdf |
| 22:43:55 | JB | freqmod: how do I run that in terminal? |
| 22:44:06 | freqmod | linux? |
| 22:44:30 | freqmod | ./convbdf -f <bdf file> |
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| 22:47:46 | JB | I'm running Mac OS X so I don't think I can run that command |
| 22:48:09 | JB | All the files in the folder tools have the extension .c |
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| 22:48:20 | freqmod | you have to compile rockbox before you can run it |
| 22:48:33 | scorche` | i believe darwin should run it the same way |
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| 22:49:08 | sawo | JB there are pl script |
| 22:49:08 | JB | Let me compile rockbox and I'll get back to you guys |
| 22:49:22 | sawo | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/bdf2gdfont.pl.1.html |
| 22:49:25 | sawo | chex this |
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| 22:53:05 | JB | ok |
| 22:53:23 | amiconn | meh |
| 22:53:39 | amiconn | There's some yellow in the build table I didn't cause |
| 22:53:51 | amiconn | New build server, and the warning appears in sh2d.c |
| 22:54:31 | amiconn | Who runs that kermit.... build server? Is that perhaps an amd64 machine? |
| 22:54:32 | lostlogic | have there been any changes to the recommended compiler versions for build servers since ... spring? |
| 22:54:47 | Bagder | amiconn: it is |
| 22:54:51 | preglow | lostlogic: nay |
| 22:55:03 | amiconn | Ah, so sh2d isn't 100% 64bit clean... |
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| 22:55:06 | preglow | lostlogic: newest 3.4 for coldfire, newest 4 for everything else |
| 22:55:07 | Bagder | so the warning seems legitimate to me |
| 22:55:18 | preglow | what's sh2d? |
| 22:55:24 | amiconn | sh disassembler |
| 22:55:29 | Mikachu | it obviously converts sh to d, duh |
| 22:55:30 | preglow | righty |
| 22:55:35 | amiconn | Open source, and a bit better than objdump |
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| 22:56:38 | amiconn | lostlogic: Newest gcc 4.0.x for sh and arm - and sh needs a patch |
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| 22:57:28 | amiconn | rockboxdev.sh should take care of that (I didn't try it yet though) |
| 22:57:34 | preglow | it does take care of it |
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| 22:58:46 | LinusN | amiconn: i fixed the x5 usb bug |
| 22:59:14 | LinusN | it turns out the usb_device_init() function has never been called |
| 22:59:49 | amiconn | oh |
| 22:59:51 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 22:59:58 | LinusN | and the ipod target tree patch fixed this, so now it is called |
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| 23:00:25 | LinusN | but the usb_device_init() function was not correct |
| 23:00:46 | LinusN | we need a new usb icon on the x5 |
| 23:01:05 | amiconn | Yes - or at least need to make the background transparent |
| 23:01:48 | LinusN | i'd like a nice color icon with a transparent background |
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| 23:05:16 | LinusN | something like the original iriver version: http://www.iriver.co.jp/images/supporter/670_52/ss_usb_connected.jpg |
| 23:05:28 | freqmod | Fixed assemby warnings and synced to cvs http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5607 |
| 23:05:53 | JB | I just ran the perl script successfully and created a .fnt file however when I "run" the font on the iPod, the font looks like the default font. |
| 23:05:56 | freqmod | Ouput when compiling http://pastebin.ca/208840 (no errors or warnings) |
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| 23:07:05 | freqmod | argh, forgot to remove vq.c~ |
| 23:07:56 | amiconn | LinusN: The 3D shadow won't work well with transparency. We have no alpha channel |
| 23:08:12 | LinusN | true |
| 23:10:50 | JB | I just tried to convert the font again and it's still rendering like the default font, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:11:42 | JB | btw, I'm trying to convert MyriadPro-Semibold.otf into a .fnt file |
| 23:11:53 | LinusN | with what tool? |
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| 23:13:30 | JB | I converted the .otf file into a .bdf file using FontForge and converted the .bdf file to a .fnt file using the perl script that sawo linked to (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/bdf2gdfont.pl.1.html) |
| 23:14:23 | JB | which I downloaded from here: http://search.cpan.org/src/LDS/GD-2.35/bdf_scripts/bdf2gdfont.pl |
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| 23:14:37 | LinusN | JB: the rockbox FNT format is not the same |
| 23:15:08 | LinusN | you should use the convbdf tool from the rockbox tools/ directory |
| 23:15:53 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts |
| 23:15:57 | JB | alright I was trying to stay away from having to compile rockbox since I would have to download XCode |
| 23:16:17 | Bagder | you can compile the converter only |
| 23:16:21 | mirak | hi |
| 23:16:23 | Bagder | no need to build the whole thing |
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| 23:18:11 | JB | That would be easier but I still have to download Xcode since the terminal by default can't compile w/o it |
| 23:19:31 | linuxstb | JB: Are you on a PPC Mac? |
| 23:19:56 | JB | linuxstb: Yes I am |
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| 23:20:51 | linuxstb | JB: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/convbdf.zip - I've just compiled it for you. |
| 23:21:15 | preglow | behr |
| 23:21:21 | preglow | i wonder if i should try to fix the resampler again |
| 23:22:14 | amiconn | Do you have an idea how to make the resampler better quality than now? |
| 23:22:16 | JB | Thanks a ton linuxstb! |
| 23:23:00 | amiconn | (apart from fixing the clicking bug) |
| 23:23:15 | preglow | amiconn: tons of ideas, but the clicking bug is probably independent of resampling method, so that comes first |
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| 23:32:32 | preglow | freqmod: just gonna do an eq commit, then i'll have a look at speex |
| 23:32:42 | freqmod | ok |
| 23:35:22 | preglow | someone please make logarithmic cutoff freq controls! |
| 23:38:35 | amiconn | preglow: Good idea |
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| 23:39:03 | preglow | some kind of logarithmic acceleration would be just lovely, though |
| 23:39:14 | preglow | so one can do fine tuning even at higher freqs |
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| 23:45:44 | goffa | hmm... i see usb mode is updated on the x5... does that fix something that was recently broke? or just re enable the usbotg chip? |
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| 23:46:06 | goffa | and if it reenables the usbotg, does that drop battery life again? |
| 23:46:31 | * | preglow summons safetydan |
| 23:47:06 | goffa | basically wondering if i should update :) |
| 23:48:40 | luckz | what was brokn? |
| 23:49:03 | luckz | I downgraded from 10-18 to 10-13-patched |
| 23:49:10 | luckz | because I want silly last.fm things |
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| 23:49:48 | goffa | luckz: potentially nothing |
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| 23:50:21 | luckz | heh |
| 23:50:25 | luckz | well, that sounds good, no? |
| 23:50:39 | luckz | you could also just use that fancy patched 10-13 build :p |
| 23:50:40 | goffa | yeah... but i might want usb to not be working to save battery |
| 23:50:53 | amiconn | goffa: ?? |
| 23:51:20 | luckz | what? |
| 23:51:21 | amiconn | usb mode didn't work in rockbox. Now it works again. That has nothing to do with battery consumption |
| 23:51:26 | PaulJam | goffa: i think it was the usb otg chip that drained the battery |
| 23:55:06 | goffa | ok.. that's what i was asking |
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| 23:55:44 | goffa | so does this eliminate the need for the subpack? |
| 23:55:53 | d4t3r | hi .. |
| 23:56:16 | goffa | hi d4t3r |
| 23:56:19 | d4t3r | yust updated my ipod color . with rockbox .. |
| 23:56:23 | d4t3r | hi goffa |
| 23:56:46 | d4t3r | and now i will recover as much as possible my music on it. . |
| 23:57:01 | d4t3r | the old one .. ituns sync .. |
| 23:57:18 | d4t3r | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor-20061018.pdf ... stil reading this .. |
| 23:57:32 | d4t3r | find in section 4 file browser .. |
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| 23:57:46 | d4t3r | but cant find it in rockbox menue |
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| 23:58:25 | d4t3r | downloaded .. http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodcolor/rockbox-ipodcolor-20061018.zip this version .. |
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| 23:58:45 | PaulJam | the filebrowser is the screen you start in when you boot rockbox, but propably the files are hidden. |
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