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#rockbox log for 2006-10-18

00:03:26astronutArathis: when i have time (never) i will look, heh
00:03:34astronutArathis: thanks, i'm going to check this out next week
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00:18:18Arathisastronut: little correction: there are not two CPUs, but two cores on the CPU and only one of it is used so far
00:18:43Arathisbut that leads to the same, so just technical description issue ;)
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03:19:30excitatoryhow can one test if the usb device that's plugged in is using usb1.1 or 2?
03:19:46excitatoryi thought it had something to do with the 'lsusb' command.. but i could be mistaken.
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03:21:48Mikachutry lsusb -vvv
03:21:59Mikachumaybe one v is enough, more helps with lspci anyway :)
03:22:16Mikachulook at the bcdUSB field
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03:26:58buzzardhi guys
03:27:07buzzardi have a question
03:27:19buzzardcan anyone help me out
03:27:41midkaynot if you don't ask it.
03:27:47buzzardlol ok
03:28:11buzzardumm well i wanted to know if the ipod 5g is capable of playing video in rockbox
03:28:40excitatoryMikachu: ok, so this is rather odd..
03:28:46midkayit plays MPEG-2 video without sound, so not really.
03:28:55midkaythat's entirely WIP.
03:29:04buzzardyea thats what i figured
03:29:20excitatoryi'm looking at the output for my plugged in 1g nano.. and it looks like it's usb2..
03:29:44midkaybuzzard: rockbox is primarily about audio playback, anyways. nobody's really focused on video support.
03:29:57midkayi.e. don't expect it running very well very soon.
03:30:25excitatorywhich seems normal.. but i was told that without the apple firmware, i.e., using emergency disk mode, the device uses usb 1.1.. and it sort of always seemed like it, but this new information says differently..
03:30:30buzzardi understand but if your gonna put out a new operating system for an ipod that is has these capabilitys why not utilise them
03:30:46buzzardit should have been accounted for after all the name implies it all
03:30:53buzzardipod video 5g
03:31:17midkayit's not about utilizing them, you don't just say to the hardware "okay, play some video". you have to port or write a decoder, optimize it like crazy to work at realtime (we don't have access to the video decoder chip in the 5Gs as it is..)...
03:31:35excitatorybuzzard: true, but would you rather the devs not support it (even if it's just audio) at all..
03:31:46midkaybuzzard: keep in mind we're an entirely unsupported-by-apple, unofficial on-our-own complete rewrite.
03:31:55buzzardohh i know
03:31:57excitatorybuzzard: keep in mind this project is very new, but the project, like most oss projects, are short handed.
03:31:59buzzardiam not new here
03:32:12buzzardive been with rockbox since it started
03:32:20midkayaudio playback is superb, for what it's worth, and that's what we're about, not gimmicks like video.
03:32:24midkaywhy don't you use the retail OS for video?
03:32:28Mikachuthis giant enemy crab
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03:32:57buzzardwell the thing is rockbox is interfering with apple os
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03:33:03excitatoryMikachu: what do you think about what i said about EDM and usb 1.1 on the nano?
03:33:08Mikachuno idea
03:33:12midkaybuzzard: interfering how? it shouldn't.
03:33:13Mikachui just know lsusb
03:33:15excitatoryhrm.. ok
03:33:19excitatorythanks though :D
03:33:23buzzardthis is what happens
03:33:33buzzardi put music in side the rockbox
03:33:42buzzardand when i go into my apple os
03:33:52buzzardthe videos are moved into music folder
03:33:59buzzardand play as sound files
03:34:07buzzardinstead of video
03:34:21midkay'into music folder'? you aren't putting them on right, then. it has to be through iTunes and there's no other reason they'd play as audio.. or is TV-out set to on?
03:34:51buzzardno tv out is not set to on
03:34:55midkayrockbox certainly won't change whatever problem you're having, it leaves apple OS entirely unaffected.
03:35:17buzzardumm i don't put music through the itunes
03:35:21buzzardits take to much time
03:35:29buzzardi made music folder
03:35:36buzzardand put all my music in
03:35:41buzzardand it plays all of it
03:35:50midkay"the itunes" is the way you HAVE to do it for any music or video to be usable in apple OS.
03:35:52buzzardmy ipod acts as an external hardrive
03:36:11midkayit goes the same speed as a file transfer, too.
03:36:21buzzardactully it much faster
03:36:38buzzardcasue i don't have to put it in my librarey and then tranfer it into my ipod
03:36:41buzzardso it better
03:36:48buzzardiam not dependent on itunes
03:36:54midkaywhat's the problem with putting it in your library? it should add pretty much instantly.
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03:37:08midkayyou don't have to be, unless you want to play music or video from apple OS.
03:37:11buzzardyea it take time though
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03:37:24midkaybuzzard: a few seconds at most, no?
03:37:32buzzardohh i know video i go through apple os
03:37:38buzzardi put it into itunes
03:37:48buzzardbut music i don't bother with itunes
03:38:17buzzardi only has this problem when i updated my firmware
03:38:26buzzardbefor it wasn't like that
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03:38:33buzzardi didn't have this issue
03:38:52buzzardbut its become an annoying problem
03:39:03midkayi'd follow apple's instructions and run things through iTunes. if you're not doing things the way they should be done, then it's not particularly suprising that things are acting up.
03:39:24buzzardwhat you mean
03:39:33buzzardbecasue i don't put my music through itunes
03:39:34midkaythis isn't the place to ask for iTunes help, anyways. Rockbox won't make things work or make them not work as far as apple OS goes.
03:39:44midkayexactly, and i'm telling you to, because you're supposed to.
03:40:13buzzardyes but that dosnt explian the reason why the video files are moving into the music folder
03:40:31midkayhm? they're supposed to go in the music folder, they mix in with the music.
03:40:35midkaybut they *play* from the video menu.
03:40:50buzzardinstead they go to the music menu
03:40:54TrueJournalsHey... does anyone know of a faster way to build rockbox under Windows XP other than cygwin?
03:41:03TrueJournalsCygwin seems to take forever...
03:41:14buzzardinstead of staying in the video menu
03:41:14midkaybuzzard: once more, i don't know why, i'm speculating that maybe it has something to do with the fact that you're not copying your music the way you should.
03:41:22midkayTrueJournals: VMware is much much faster..
03:41:27buzzardok fair enough
03:41:34buzzardill try it this way
03:41:36TrueJournalsmidkay: thanks!
03:41:42buzzardmost likely your right
03:41:49midkayTrueJournals: sure, check the wiki page for instructions. :)
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03:42:10midkaybuzzard: i have no idea, i haven't heard of this before, but I haven't heard of anybody copying music via explorer and playing it in appleOS either.
03:42:27buzzardyou got it wrong
03:42:40buzzardi put it into explorer and play the music in rockbox
03:43:15buzzardbut when i switch to apple os
03:43:25buzzardthe videos go into the music menu
03:43:35buzzardand play as mp3's instead of videos
03:44:07buzzarddo you get it now
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03:44:23midkayi do.
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03:44:56buzzardit makes no sence to me why that would happen
03:45:10buzzardsince iam not even touching the apple os
03:45:26|matt|Is there a way to remember the CPU boost or force it to 10 or something?
03:45:27midkaywhat do you mean?
03:45:47midkay|matt|: no (not yet, at least), unfortunately.
03:45:48buzzardwell i only go to watch videos
03:46:04midkayFWIW, 1 is the same as 2 or 10 or 627.
03:46:04buzzardand play all my music in rockbox
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03:46:39midkaybuzzard: dunno, it's weird. have you tried recopying them or anything?
03:46:39raizorit's driving me crazy on the 4th gen
03:46:52buzzardwell i did
03:46:54midkayraizor: same on my 5G, i just have to always boost it when i start up.
03:47:00buzzardi had this incident several times
03:47:07buzzardbefore i came to make sure
03:47:11buzzardthis is a problem
03:47:16raizormidkay: oh it's the problem there too? dear me
03:47:32raizormidkay: it's a wonder they don't just put some defines in and force boost it to 10 on the ones where it's unstable
03:47:37midkayit isn't a rockbox one.. buzzard: did you re-extract the firmware and broadcom image before reinstalling the Rockbox bootloader after updating?
03:47:55midkayraizor: well, not unstable, but just really slow..
03:48:09buzzardi installed rockbox through an installer
03:48:18buzzardand so it did eveything for me
03:48:24midkaybuzzard: which?
03:48:27raizormidkay: It doesn't crash on you? Mine does. Reading the forums it seems to be a problem on 4th gens
03:48:44buzzardi don't know some rockbox installer 7.7
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03:49:15midkayraizor: yeah, 4G is known to be quite unstable.
03:49:29midkaybuzzard: well that could well be the problem.
03:49:40buzzardbut bare in mind that i didn't have this problem until
03:49:52buzzardi went to the new update for the apple os
03:50:15buzzardso it wouldn't be anyhtign to do with the istaller
03:50:19buzzardit did its job
03:50:39midkayer.. huh?
03:50:48midkayif you install the apple firmware update, it'll get rid of the rockbox bootloader.
03:51:00buzzardright it did
03:51:08buzzardand then i use the installer agin
03:51:17buzzardto reinstall rockbox
03:51:30buzzardthen the problem started occuring
03:51:37midkaywhy not doing it the official way (i.e. a few commands in the cmd prompt)?
03:51:57buzzardwell i don't know i found it to complicated
03:52:08buzzardfrom reading the wiki
03:52:12buzzardthe wiki is of no help
03:52:18buzzardits to complicaited
03:52:20midkayif you're using unofficial installers that's not going to help.
03:52:32buzzardthey may be unoffical
03:52:46midkaywhat? how? it tells you very clearly just four or five commands to type in, that's it.
03:52:56buzzardbut they installe the rockbox bootloader that you support
03:52:59midkayno need to decipher or understand them, just type and hit enter.
03:53:38buzzardthey want you to download certain files then place then somewhere
03:53:43buzzardand then some commands
03:53:44midkaybuzzard: that's like saying, well, i bought this battery that ford officially supports, but i had my 10-year-old install it for me and he kinda blew it up.. they'd better repair it free-of-charge.
03:53:54midkaybuzzard: right. download to somewhere, run a few commands.
03:53:58midkaythat's it, the end.
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03:54:38docwhatI have Rockbox on an iPod Mini and I have a question!
03:54:38docwhatHow do I get it to use the same defaults on startup?
03:55:36midkaydocwhat: like the settings you set in the menus, or what?
03:55:49docwhatYeah, like replaygain on, and the WPS I'm using, etc.
03:56:07midkayit should save them every time you shut down.. set everything up the way you want, then hold PLAY to shut down (make sure it's not menu+select, which force-restarts it).
03:56:58docwhatWell, I'm not sure if it's a problem with my pod or what, but it resets alot, like when I plug it into USB....
03:57:05docwhatAnd it looses all the settings then.
03:57:14midkayyou need to not have HOLD on when you boot it up or plug it in.
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03:57:39midkayif the hold switch is on while rockbox starts up, it'll reset your settings (poor implementation of a rarely-useful feature).
03:57:51docwhathaving HOLD on when it boots clears the settings? having HOLD and plugging it into to USB is bad?
03:57:54docwhatThat's silly.
03:58:20midkaysilly-ish. useful in some cases, but it could really use a better key mapping.
03:58:24midkaythat's the rules for now, though..
03:58:27docwhatmidkay: where does it save the options?
03:58:44midkaydocwhat: actually, once you set your stuff up, save out a config file so you can reload it if it gets reset.
03:58:48Mikachurb could check that the cable isn't in when resetting the settings
03:59:05midkayMikachu: or we could just remap it to some other key? :)
03:59:16docwhatIt seems like I cause it to reset a lot, for no reason. I'd rather have a file that contained the settings....
03:59:30docwhatAnd then have it save the settings anytime it spins up the disk.
03:59:30Mikachudocwhat: manage settings -> write .cfg file
03:59:45docwhatMikachu: Yeah, I have a .cfg now...but it is still annoying. :-/
04:00:06midkay(1) avoid having HOLD on when it boots. (2) reload the cfg if it does.
04:00:11midkayrules to live by :)
04:00:25docwhatmidkay: thanks for the info.
04:00:25Mikachui made it not reset if the headphone cable is in
04:00:48docwhatIt is still annoying. Rockbox shouldn't train the user. The user should train Rockbox....
04:01:18Mikachuthe idea is that you have to flip hold on pretty quickly after turning it on
04:01:22midkaydocwhat: well, it's a safety thing, if you set up some unreadable LCD settings or so. but once more, it's a poorly-implemented safety thing, and it definitely needs a move to a button or something.
04:01:23myzarthen program your own firmware replacement
04:01:24Mikachubut i guess they didn't think about putting the usb cable in
04:01:29myzarit's assumed that you can read a general page
04:01:32myzarand learn how to do something
04:01:35Mikachuchecking that the cable isn't in is enough
04:01:42myzarand if you cannot, write your own and make it work how YOU want it
04:01:46myzarotherwise, stop complaining
04:01:46midkayMikachu: no it isn't.
04:01:56docwhatmidkay: Yeah, but if you can change the settings via the harddrive/flash whatever (USB Mass Storage) then it is resetable.
04:02:18Mikachudocwhat: it's not always you have a computer with you
04:02:18midkayif i plug in USB, it starts Rockbox and reboots to USB mode, okay, rockbox detects USB and ignores. now if i unplug from USB mode with hold still on, the usb cable is no longer present, but i still just left USB mode..
04:02:31docwhatmyzar: Don't be rude. I read the wiki and the manuals and then came here to see if this feature really didn't exist.
04:02:35midkaydocwhat: you can't, not exactly.
04:02:36Mikachuhm, okay
04:02:37myzaroh, no docwhat
04:02:42myzari didn't mean to be rude
04:02:54docwhatmyzar: It's hard to tell with just typing. :-D
04:02:59myzarbut this is the second person that can't read simple instructions, then goes further on to blame the developers
04:03:20docwhatmidkay: yeah, that's annoying. hmm...
04:03:29myzarif it isn't listed anywhere, then yes, you may ask and a developer can answer to the best of their knowledge
04:03:42midkaymyzar: no need to moan, we're taking care of it. i didn't see you trouble yourself with providing any answers.
04:03:47docwhatmyzar: Don't worry. I'm grepping the source AND the documentation.
04:03:56myzarin that case, kudos to you
04:04:02myzari'm not moaning midkay
04:04:03docwhatmyzar: I plan on hacking rockbox, too....
04:04:35docwhatI'm a usability/applications engineer. So this stuff interests me.
04:04:43myzarwas that comment you made about training rockbox half serious?
04:04:50midkaymyzar: next time someone asks you a question that might be somewhere obscure in the wiki or manual, feel free to tell them to look.. but we just *finished* explaining it, and it's surely not very prominent in the docs.
04:05:09myzarno, midkay
04:05:19myzari'm not talking about the act of actually checking it
04:05:31docwhatmyzar: Yes. Applications should work the way the users expect, or in the way the user can explain (in an obvious way). You shouldn't train the users. Excepts include things like "resets". I see the problem with the "reset settings".
04:05:40myzari'm talking about the fact that people complain and blame something
04:05:51docwhatMikachu: What are the failure modes for bad configurations.
04:05:53myzarbut docwhat, you can't just magically tell a program to do something
04:05:59Mikachudocwhat: a whatnow?
04:06:00myzaryou need to program it to do it
04:06:08Mikachumaybe you meant midkay
04:06:13docwhatmyzar: developers? I didn't blame them. I blamed current rockbox. It's clay, let's mold it! :-D
04:06:13myzareither by hacking it, or asking a dev to make whatever you want an option
04:06:14midkaymyzar: well, i think we can all agree it's pretty silly to have it set up the way it is. it just hasn't been remapped yet.
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04:06:31myzarsilly it may be, but there is probably a reason why it is like that
04:06:37docwhatMikachu: When the settings are horrible and require a reset (via the HOLD trick), what is going on?
04:06:46myzarbut if you can find a developer, ask them to perhaps include what you want as a feature
04:07:00midkaymyzar: if it bothers you that users are unhappy with some little thing, it's nothing you need to worry about. i'm technically a developer, so consider the complaint heard... :)
04:07:02Mikachudocwhat: can be many things
04:07:15Mikachudocwhat: fg and bg colors being the same
04:07:21docwhatMikachu: Like contrast all the way down? Uhm...lemme think. Fonts too big or small? Wrong language...
04:07:25myzari'm not at all unhappy
04:07:26midkaycontrast also.
04:07:32myzarand i'm not bothered by it
04:07:38midkaymyzar: others are, and these are some people we need to listen to.
04:07:48myzarbut people say "it's too hard to install. the developers suck"
04:07:54myzarand stuff like that
04:07:56docwhatMikachu: Okay, I have an alternative....
04:08:07myzarand at that point, if they can't follow simple instructions
04:08:10docwhatMikachu: How about this. Flipping hold on-and-off 3 or 4 times?
04:08:13midkaymyzar: who said it was too hard to install? the first guy? go ahead and bother him, that was pretty dumb. i didn't see anybody say the developers suck.
04:08:14myzaror give the effort to find how to do something
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04:08:25myzarthey don't deserve to be using rockbox
04:08:26myzarno, midkay
04:08:29myzari'm talking in general
04:08:31myzarnot just today.
04:08:44midkaymyzar: thanks for the rant, then, but you can save it for when somebody's legitimately being an ass :)
04:08:45Mikachui would be happy if you stopped talking
04:08:46*docwhat hugs myzar to cheer him up. :-D
04:09:04myzaryou can cheer me up by helping me reverse exactly why the new 80 gig ipods don't work with rockbox
04:09:22myzaruntil then... YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME! NOTHING!
04:09:24Mikachui hear we have our top guys working on it
04:09:27myzarwell, unless you make me some pie
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04:09:37docwhatmyzar: Alas, while I used to work at an embedded company, I am a usability/applications guy. :-/
04:10:02docwhatSo, where is the code for the HOLD switch...?
04:10:11docwhatHOLD/reset switch?
04:10:20Mikachuwhy would you turn on hold when you don't have the player in your pocket?
04:10:28Mikachuare you worried a cat will jump on the table and press buttons?
04:10:40TrueJournalsYou never know...
04:10:41midkayi disagree about the flicking it several times..
04:10:44docwhatMikachu: Nah, I just had the hold on, plugged it into USB, then unplugged it.
04:10:58docwhatmidkay: Good. Why?
04:11:08midkayquite easy to trigger, maybe you're just messing around or you do it inadvertently..
04:11:09Mikachuyou could just make it pop up a dialog "do you want to reset settings?"
04:11:17Mikachu"press play to affirm"
04:11:36docwhatMikachu: may not be able to read it...but if you had a wiki entry...
04:11:39midkayin fact just today (maybe for the first time since i got my iPod) i played with the hold switch a bit (no joke). on and off consecutively maybe four times..
04:11:45Mikachu(obviously first loading the default colors)
04:11:52docwhatmidkay: even if it was 4 times?
04:11:54midkayMikachu: that's a good idea, right.
04:12:10midkaydocwhat: hm? i flicked it four times today, that'd have triggered it.
04:12:52docwhatmidkay: but it's not catastrophic. And if the settings were restored and it said, "Settings successfully restored, press select to continue", you'd know not to do it again. :-)
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04:13:07midkaydocwhat: some people are twitchy! :D
04:13:09docwhatActually, that's another bug. The settings were restored, but I (the user) wasn't told.
04:13:20midkayi'm the kind of guy that'd do that.. flick it out of boredom..
04:13:22Mikachudocwhat: you are, it says "settings cleared"
04:13:22docwhatmidkay: I have ADD. I know twitchy. :-D
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04:13:31docwhatMikachu: huh. I must have missed it.
04:13:40Mikachuyeah, it times out after like 1 second :)
04:14:10docwhatMikachu: no, it should wait for a key press....let me make notes...
04:14:26*midkay strongly votes for dialogbox.
04:14:38midkayjust like the delete file dialog..
04:14:43midkayor even. wiat.
04:15:05midkaywe already have a function to call for resetting in the menu, right? i'm quite sure of it, it asks "Reset settings? Play = Yes, Menu = No" or so..
04:15:26Mikachuyou just have to reset the settings before showing the dialog
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04:15:31Mikachuand if you say no, load them from disk again
04:15:41Mikachuor i suppose, do all of this before actually loading the settings
04:15:42docwhatMikachu: perfect!
04:15:47docwhatMikachu: I love it!
04:15:55Mikachuso you can be reasonably sure the dialog will work
04:16:03Mikachuright, someone go do it :)
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04:16:45Mikachuhm, i wish there was a startup.c, i always forget which file this is in
04:16:56docwhatMikachu: where do I go in the wiki to get an environment up and running in Ubuntu quickly....or do I have to build my own cross compiler.
04:17:03midkaymain.c maybe?
04:17:07docwhatI also see a uisimulator that looks useful.
04:17:14Mikachuyeah i just grepped for my added button_hold check
04:17:44Mikachuit already does if (button_hold()) settings_clear() else load_settings()
04:17:48Mikachuso the whole thing is before loading them
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04:17:52Mikachuso showing a dialog can't fail
04:18:06Mikachuprobably the user is smart enough to turn off hold before trying to press a button
04:18:32Mikachuit is around line 430
04:18:32midkayhaha. yeah.
04:18:36docwhatWell, if not they'll learn. :-D That's a pretty clear UI convention for these devices. Most have it.
04:18:57docwhatIf you're really paranoid, add a "you may have to turn off HOLD, first"
04:19:04Mikachuomg, ifdef of the day
04:19:08Mikachu#if defined(SETTINGS_RESET) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD)
04:19:11Mikachu#ifdef SETTINGS_RESET
04:20:08midkayhaha. wtf.
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04:20:20Mikachuit's not as silly as it looks from those two lines :)
04:20:31midkayoh, i see...
04:20:34TrueJournalsthat's all I have to say...
04:20:39midkayTrueJournals: haha. 'tis :D
04:20:53TrueJournalslol... it took like half an hour in cygwin...
04:20:58Mikachudocwhat: you have a real ubuntu running already?
04:21:12docwhatYeah, I'm on Edgy Eft on my laptop right now.
04:21:31Mikachuthen i think there is a script you can get that installs crosscompilers for you
04:21:34midkayTrueJournals: haha. yeah, cygwin is *slow*.
04:21:36Mikachumaybe it's included in cvs
04:21:37docwhatMikachu: I submit bugs and stuff for lots of projects, including Ubuntu.
04:21:43docwhatMikachu: Is that the
04:21:49Mikachui'd guess so
04:22:19Mikachuit's really just like 10 commands in total to install them and compile rockbox
04:22:30Mikachuassuming you already have a host compiler
04:23:27docwhatMikachu: What are my options for emulating the ipod? Can I use QEMU? I haven't looked at the UISIMULATOR, but looks like a framework, not an emulator...
04:23:30Mikachumidkay: hm, there is a static void reset_settings in settings_menu.c
04:23:45docwhathmm....laptop is busy.... :-D compiling gcc..
04:23:51Mikachui wonder if it's alright to use gui_syncyesno_run before everything is up and running
04:24:05midkayMikachu: call that, i think.. give it a try maybe? no idea :)
04:24:09Mikachumidkay: obviously i meant static bool
04:24:20Mikachumidkay: it needs to be non-staticed in that case
04:24:21*Mikachu tries
04:24:33docwhatMikachu: On last question. What's the worse I can do with a development rockbox to my ipod?
04:24:43midkayMikachu: er.. :E :)
04:25:10Mikachudocwhat: not much, i guess you can get the sad ipod face if you try hard enough
04:25:21docwhatWhat do I need to do to recover that?
04:25:35docwhatOr is that doom....
04:25:47Mikachujust put back a working rockbox
04:25:54Mikachu(reboot to emergency disk mode first)
04:25:56docwhatoh. no problem then.
04:26:12Mikachuthe only way to really break your ipod as i understand it, is if you upgrade the apple fw and hard reset it while it's flashing
04:26:19docwhatMikachu: I have to do taht a lot, because my ipod resets constantly when I plug it running rockbox.
04:26:37docwhatcool! That's great.
04:27:09Mikachuit somewhat worked
04:27:13Mikachuit shows the dialog
04:27:17Mikachuand answering no works fine
04:27:20Mikachubut saying yes just hangs :)
04:27:32Mikachuah oops
04:27:37Mikachuit calls settings_reset
04:27:46Mikachuand then settings_apply
04:27:49docwhatMikachu: Can you tell me when you check that in? I want to learn what you did. :-D
04:28:27Mikachui can't check stuff in
04:28:30Mikachui'm just a mere mortal
04:30:20Mikachui'll just copy the whole function and modify it a bit
04:33:13Mikachui'll let someone else do this :)
04:34:29Mikachucool, the apple fw crashed
04:36:05Mikachui think it's not okay to call that code at that point
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05:04:31yipehi rockboxers, sorry to bother you, but I can't figure out where to put .fnt files
05:05:15docwhat.rockbox/fonts ?
05:05:40yipeI don't seem to have that folder
05:06:00godzirraunip the archive into .rockbox
05:06:05godzirrait will work out if you extract it with path names.
05:06:15yipeokay, thank you ت
05:06:29yipeyou're much more polite than the debian people :
05:06:34docwhatyipe: I'm just a user too. But on my ipod thingy there is a directory .rockbox, unzipping the package Did The Right Thing.
05:06:50docwhatdevelopers can be cranky.
05:06:54yipeI know
05:06:57yipethank you very much
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05:07:53Teknomancersome ppl. on other channels here are so full-of-themselves, its unbelievable
05:08:29docwhatIt's hard to tell, though. i mean, IRC isn't the most natural way to convey meaning to someone.
05:08:44docwhatNo expressions, you can't see if they are angry, tired, happy, sad.
05:08:51Teknomancerwell some ppl are downright just rude
05:09:06Teknomancerjust because they know more than the other person who's asking
05:09:07docwhatTeknomancer: :-D
05:09:27Teknomancerwell if you're tired/sad/angry its better to just not answer than
05:09:36psiborgprobably because they're getting alot of stupid questions :)
05:09:56Teknomancerheh, not exactly
05:09:58psiborgbut i agree with you on that :)
05:10:20docwhatTeknomancer: I'm a know it all. I'll admit it. I'm good at my job. And being egotistical sounding is very helpful, when talking to peers. But sometimes I forget to turn off my "precise, concise and arrogant" tone of voice; non-technical people don't appreciate it. ;-/
05:10:34Teknomanceri know people who are so much more knowledgable than some of the "experts" on some channels,
05:10:41Teknomancerand they act like they're gods or something
05:11:05docwhat:-) Well, some people don't know or don't realize that knowing it and being able to share it are different things.
05:11:05Teknomanceri'm talking about technical ppl asking technical ppl :)
05:11:30Teknomancerin fact i got a Private message from one of the channel members saying
05:11:31docwhatI have to admit. I never fully understood most people's attitudes.
05:11:44Teknomancer"You really don't need to change your nick name every few hours to indicate what your doing"
05:12:31Teknomancerand all i did was do Tek[away] or Tek[afk] when i was not there ... and one of them thinks i'm wasting lines by changing my nick.. man.
05:12:43docwhatregarding not responding when sad, etc. - Not everyone has that control. I have ADD, sometimes I can't help myself. I forget I'm unhappy. :-)
05:12:43Teknomancerand not even too often, just 2 times a day or so...
05:12:50docwhatTeknomancer: I think that's a culture clash.
05:13:16docwhatTeknomancer: I knew IRC servers/channels where that was the norm in the 90s. On other servers/channels, it was taboo.
05:13:16midkayi don't mind afk/away (though /away is less intrusive) - but i HATE when people do it for every little thing that nobody cares about.
05:13:31docwhatmidkay: ditto.
05:13:42Teknomancermidkay thats what i said, i did it just twice for a period of 30 hours
05:13:46Teknomancerfor = over
05:13:59midkaytek[dinner], tek[shower], tek[work] all within like 20 minutes isn't uncommon for some people, i hate it. :)
05:14:18Teknomancermidkay yes but i didn't do that
05:14:51midkayTeknomancer: some do, that was my point. :)
05:15:10Teknomanceranyway i left that channel
05:15:30Teknomanceras i hated seeing fights between 2 people telling each other "I know more gaming coding and game engine stuff than you"
05:15:43Teknomancerand arguing over how much experience they had and stuff
05:16:14midkayhaha. annoying.
05:16:18docwhatgeez, that stuff always sucked. And the best was when they had a pissing contest like that when they could be coding [mud|game|palm] instead.
05:16:57Teknomancerthe one guy was telling the other, you are a n00b you cannot write your own engine
05:17:06Teknomancerand the other guy was, I have the confidence to write and its not that hard
05:17:35Teknomancerand that started the whooole long argument, i'm glad i left that channel, i joined thinking i will learn something/help other people
05:18:08Teknomancerlearnt that people can be annoying as hell, and helped myself by leaving
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05:20:13docwhatwoo-hoo. I have my first self compiled rockbox running....
05:20:19docwhatnow I need to get the gdb version going...
05:21:23docwhatI want to find out why the thing reboots constantly (every 2 seconds) when I plug it into USB. (ipod mini 2g)
05:21:42docwhat/home/docwhat/projects/rockbox/rockbox-devel/build-dbg/apps/main.o: In function `init':
05:21:43docwhat/home/docwhat/projects/rockbox/rockbox-devel/apps/main.c:504: undefined reference to `debug_init'
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05:32:55docwhathmm....My C is too rusty. I see debug_init() defined extern in firmware/exports/debug.h Shouldn't that let it resolve? No...this is LD, not gcc...hmm. debug.c should be linked in here?
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05:34:54docwhatAh, I grok it. GDB support doesn't work for ipod. Of course, it doesn't have a serial cable. I guess the USB Mass Storage channel isn't enough.
05:35:09docwhatIs there a document for the logf stuff?
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05:35:24docwhatIt's like a printf, neh?
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05:40:05Teknomanceri have enabled " log" option in Rockbox
05:40:14Teknomancerwhere can i see the log file ?
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05:42:08Teknomancerah in root i think
05:42:26k-man_what hardware can i buy today that rockbox works on?
05:42:36k-man_something that can record preferably
05:43:33docwhatk-man_: did you check the web site?
05:43:58k-man_its not very clear on the website
05:45:08docwhatTry that.
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05:47:19k-man_so how do i tell if a particular model of device is still available?
05:48:17k-man_oh, you can put it on ipod nano's?
05:48:28docwhatNot the brand new ones (yet)
05:48:39docwhatAnd not the brand new ipod videos (yet)
05:49:02k-man_but you can record onto the ipodnano?
05:49:05k-man_thats cool
05:49:14docwhatMy wife just got a 60gb ipod video (the ones not from sept.) and it should work.
05:49:25docwhatYou have to buy extra stuff....
05:49:32k-man_you do?
05:49:36k-man_what hardware?
05:49:38docwhatYeah, they don't come with the mikes.
05:49:43docwhatGo to an apple store.
05:49:48k-man_what does
05:49:53docwhatI don't know anything about rockbox support it.
05:50:06docwhatThe mike for the ipod video was like 50 60 US dollars.
05:50:09docwhat50 or 60
05:50:24k-man_cripes even
05:50:26k-man_thats expensive
05:50:44docwhatWhat's it for, just asking.
05:51:14k-man_would be cool to record my guitar teacher playing sometimes
05:51:21k-man_and also record myself sometimes
05:51:29docwhatThought I'd ask.
05:51:57docwhatWell, not to berate the latest greatest technology, but they sell at office depot cheap tape casset recorders... :-)
05:52:18docwhatI gotta go to bed. Tired. :-)
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06:18:00AbstIs there any way to charge my iPod while using Rockbox?
06:18:38AbstNevermind, I rtfm
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06:32:56godzirraAbst: so is there? :)
06:33:12AbstHold menu while plugging in USB
06:33:46AbstIts menu or select
06:34:14scorcheAbst: you should have told him to RTFM himself ;)
06:34:18godzirraHuh. neat.
06:34:22godzirraYeah, probably.
06:34:30godzirrabut its late. I wouldnt do it tonight and I'd forget by tomorrow :)
06:34:31Abstscorche: Haha
06:34:58AbstI've finally got soem use out of my iPod on Linux.
06:35:08AbstWhen I use Apple firmware it just corrupts my iTunesDB
06:35:44godzirraI just detest itunes.
06:36:03AbstLinux doesn't have iTunes.
06:36:12AbstIs it me or is the music deeper on Rockbox
06:36:26AbstSounds nicer
06:38:16godzirraI just hate itunes.
06:41:40godzirraI wonder w here Kalthare was last night.
06:41:47godzirraerr tonight.
06:41:52godzirraHe asked me if I was here last night when I was afk
06:41:56godzirraso I'm wondering if he figured something out
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06:51:27AbstPlayback is jumpy
06:53:10godzirraplaying what?
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07:00:38AbstWhere do I put new themes
07:00:39Abst..wps files
07:00:57godzirrain the wps directory ;)
07:01:02AbstThey dont show up
07:01:06AbstIn the browse themes
07:01:18AbstI'm trying to install H300Pod_e
07:01:52godzirraThats because a wps isnt a theme
07:01:53godzirraits a wps :)
07:02:02AbstWhere do I put the folder
07:02:29AbstHow do I use it as a theme
07:06:09godzirrano idea ;)
07:06:12godzirraI'm off to bed
07:06:14godzirralater folks
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07:08:35pagefaultthe battery usage on my h10 is phenomenol now
07:08:38pagefaultwhatever someone did
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07:08:47pagefaultor at least the battery meter works properly now
07:09:54Teknomancerpagefault how much GB can H10 hold ?
07:10:03pagefaultmine is 5gb
07:10:11Teknomanceroh, what's the Max ?
07:10:19Teknomanceris there a 40 gig version ?
07:10:22pagefaultmine is 5gb
07:10:25pagefaultthe max is 20gb
07:10:41pagefaultbut there is no UMS version for it yet
07:10:49Teknomanceroh :(
07:10:54pagefaultso you have to keep booting it in emergency mode to copy files
07:10:59Teknomancerthen it's of no use to me
07:11:12Teknomancerso u need particular software to transfer files ?
07:11:18pagefaultit's MTP otherwise
07:11:25pagefaultbut in emergency mode it's UMS
07:11:30pagefaultyou hold a button while powering on
07:11:34pagefaultthe 5gb can be converted
07:11:40pagefaultbut the 20gb I don't think can be
07:11:48Teknomanceroh i see
07:11:58pagefaultmine used to be MTP
07:12:01pagefaultnow I run the UMS formware
07:12:09pagefaultit's easier
07:12:57Teknomancerah okay
07:13:00Teknomancerthx for the info pagefault
07:14:09pagefaultoh wow
07:14:17pagefaultI didn't know fm transmitters were banned in euope
07:14:23pagefaulthow strange
07:17:37_jhMikeS_not really
07:17:56pagefaultthey seem to be banned in the UK at least
07:18:01pagefaultaccording to this article
07:18:14Bluechipit's an unimposed law
07:21:47scorchenot enforced you mean?
07:21:50_jhMikeS_that's what they call them these days huh
07:22:20Bluechipit's there to stop pirate radio stations from drowning paid-stations
07:22:33Bluechipnot to stop you from listening to your walkman on your car radio
07:26:53_jhMikeS_unenforced law [n]: A type of law when now broken is not enforced and with which you are at liberty to comply
07:27:00_jhMikeS_now = not
07:27:43_jhMikeS_and unenforced = unimposed even
07:27:51*_jhMikeS_ blew that one
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08:43:34luckzso how do I get my X5 to actually create a proper playlist of the files on it?
08:43:56luckzif I create a playlist with fb2k, it gets immense unicode issues and just whines around
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08:52:52Quazgaaluckz: playlists are for sissies
08:53:27luckzQuazgaa: rockbox tells me it needs a playlist to do anything, thus I assume rockbox is for sissies?
08:54:24Quazgaarockbox doesnt require a playlist
08:54:53luckz"A playlist! One of the keys to getting the most out of Rockbox is understanding that Rockbox always considers the song that it is playing to be part of a playlist [..]"
08:55:42LinusNyes, when you play a directory, rockbox creates a playlist automatically
08:56:53luckzI'd rather play stuff globally than just one directory.
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09:18:28luckzdoes anybody have a clue how rockbox handles "foreign" file names, exactly?
09:19:05Bagderthere's a unicode wiki page to study I believe
09:19:50LinusNluckz: what is "handle" in your case?
09:22:15luckzwell, things like unicode. how it wants a playlist to look for it to find file names with or or whatever in them.
09:22:55petur? is an illegal character for a filename
09:23:18Teknomancerpetur it is ?
09:23:27luckzmh, still can't get my to work. :/
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09:23:56peturon fat it is (* and ? are wildcards)
09:24:14Teknomancerhmm ah maybe in FAT32 ...
09:24:18Teknomancerpetur ah fine
09:25:28luckzso I just have to run some auto-replace to change all my letters it can't deal with into ? in the playlist?
09:26:11peturafaik, rockbox handles unicode fine
09:26:25*petur doublechecks on his iriver
09:27:36peturI have a bunch of icelandic songs and all their weird looking names are ok ;)
09:27:41luckzmade it work.
09:28:03luckzI made it do a playlist catalog playlist with files affected, then looked what encoding that was
09:28:27luckzbecause there, unlike when normally creating playlists, it uses ansi&utf, not just ansi, it seems
09:28:41peturthere is something about playlist... m3u isn't unicode I think, there's another format, can't remember, that does it
09:29:16peturm3u8 maybe?
09:29:46luckzI think it doesn't like m3u8, rockbox
09:29:56luckzI already tried renaming m3u8 things to m3u to see if it does that, months ago
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09:30:09*petur looks at markun
09:30:52peturluckz: months is a *very* long time in rockbox land :)
09:31:20luckzI know :)
09:31:25luckzbut I have it working now, I hope.
09:33:12luckznow to find a nice wps
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09:41:37myzarIM NOT TROLLING
09:41:41myzari just wub my Bagder
09:42:36Bagderamiconn: step 1 done
09:45:42Slasheriah, playlist.c is saving settings way to often causing poor performance
09:46:07Slasheriespecially resume performance can be many many times faster with extra save_settings call removed
09:47:03myzarhave you found a fix for the playlist issue on 5.5 30s?
09:48:10BHSPitLappyare we past the, "just plain running" issue for 5.5G's?
09:48:39Slasherimyzar: Hmm, what issue is that?
09:49:56myzarwell, apparently there is a crash on playback
09:50:01myzaron only the 30 gig 5.5s
09:50:08myzarand someone mentioned an issue with playlist
09:50:28Slasheriah, hmm
09:50:44myzarsomething related to playlist control?
09:50:46myzarlet me check
09:51:02myzar(Kalthare) What crashes it is the playlist control file being updated.
09:51:11myzar(Kalthare) Now I'm updating the tag cache during playback, and it's handling it like a champ. So, yeah, the playlist code is the problem here.
09:51:19myzarnot sure if this is the issue or if i misunderstood
09:51:31myzaras for the 80 gigs not working, i haven't the foggiest
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09:59:32luckzthe whole log option thing, that actually currently works?
10:00:00peturI think there's a working patch, yes
10:01:22luckzshouldnt I set default codepage to unicode if all my mp3s have unicode tags?
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10:03:59luckzokay, now I broke something? :x
10:04:12luckzhad a crash/black screen on startup
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10:05:07Teknomancerthe log is a text file?
10:05:25luckzguess so
10:05:42luckzand then you use that app to submit it, LogScrobbler
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10:06:15Teknomancerluckz can't Rockbox do a feature to just read the textfiel and showed "Most Listened" on the player itself??
10:06:31Teknomancerthat would be cool for ppl who want to have statistics without using
10:06:50luckzthat should use a different way of handling stats, though, then
10:07:04peturTeknomancer: I think tagcache has something experimental for that
10:07:07luckzbecause the stuff is designed to be submitted and then deleted, from what I understand
10:07:12Teknomancerpetur tag cache?
10:07:30peturyes, tagcache
10:07:33Teknomancerwell i just want stats like Most listened track, artist ...
10:07:36Teknomancerdoes tagcache do that?
10:07:37luckzmean gather runtime data, petur?
10:07:38luckzor something else?
10:07:51peturI think it's that, yes
10:07:59Teknomancerpetur so its a plugin for rockbox?
10:08:11peturhave't looked at it tho
10:09:08luckzthat seems to do more or less just that
10:09:16luckzplus added.. autorating.
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10:13:08Teknomancer"These stats are available through the ID3 file view options Best tracks and List played tracks."
10:13:17Teknomancerhmm i dont understand where i can see the TagCache stats ..
10:13:50SlasheriTeknomancer: yes, tagcache does that
10:13:53Slasheriand it works well
10:14:03TeknomancerSlasheri how to see the stats it collected?
10:14:06Slasheriyou should change view mode to "id3 database"
10:14:13Slasheriand enable gather runtime data option
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10:14:18Slasheriand of course initialize tagcache
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10:14:54TeknomancerSlasheri in TagCache i've initialized it
10:15:02Teknomancerand switched gather time data to ON
10:15:12Teknomancerwhere can i see the stats that it collects?
10:15:21Slasheriso now you see tagcache menus including those last played tracks etc?
10:15:33TeknomancerSlasheri where?
10:15:46Slasherigo to settings
10:15:49Slasherithen.. just a momemt
10:16:00markunluckz: I am working on support a fix for the playlist encoding problem
10:16:10luckzmarkun: there is no problem.
10:16:19markunWell, for some people there is
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10:16:28Slasherigeneral settings - fileview - show files
10:16:32Slasheriand select id3 database
10:16:34luckzyou just have to use UTF enocoding in the m3u, from what I see, markun
10:16:38Slasherithen the menu should change
10:16:38luckzat least my tests indicate that that works
10:16:49TeknomancerSlasheri hmm
10:16:56TeknomancerSlasheri in "Show Files" i don't have "Id3 database"
10:17:09Teknomancerah sorry i have
10:17:10Slasheriare you running a bleeding edge build?
10:17:15markunluckz: that is the problem. Other programs (like winamp) expect and generate m3u files in the default codepage.
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10:17:22TeknomancerSlasheri yeah i have it so i change to ID3 database?
10:17:28luckzmarkun: open with notepad++, choose utf, voila
10:17:32TeknomancerSlasheri okay changed,
10:17:34luckzit's not that hard.
10:17:35TeknomancerSlasheri now?
10:17:45luckzand winamp is idiocy :
10:17:45SlasheriTeknomancer: now back out from the menu
10:17:48markunIt's not hard, but with my fix you don't even need to do that
10:17:51TeknomancerSlasheri ah i think i got it
10:17:53Slasheriand you should see tagcache menu
10:17:55TeknomancerSlasheri thanks a lot
10:18:33TeknomancerSlasheri hmm
10:18:34markunluckz: btw, if you have your tags in unicode the codepage shouldn't matter
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10:18:46luckzmarkun: I know, I just wondered :p
10:18:47TeknomancerSlasheri when i choose "Artist" in id3 its saying "TagCahce is not ready"
10:18:58luckzTeknomancer: then make the poor thing initialize
10:19:04Teknomancerluckz i did
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10:19:10Teknomancerluckz let me try again
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10:19:38Teknomanceri chose "Initialise Now" option in TagCache
10:19:55Teknomancerlet me try a reboot
10:20:44SlasheriTeknomancer: did you wait until disk spun down?
10:20:51TeknomancerSlasheri hmm :)
10:21:01Teknomancerwell i tried "Artist"
10:21:04Teknomancerto choose a song to play
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10:21:18Slasherino, but after you choose "initialize now"
10:21:34Slasheriafter disk has spun down, then you need to reboot
10:21:46Slasheriand it should take a few minutes to initialize
10:21:49Teknomanceryah i waited for sometime
10:21:56Teknomancerartists are working now
10:21:56peturSlasheri: shouldn't there be a splash 'Tagcache is busy' and no shutdown, just like with battery charging?
10:22:16Slasheripetur: probably not because it's not critical to shutdown
10:22:39Slasheritagcache can continue updating next time the unit has been booted up (with auto update enabled) or running manual update
10:22:42peturor maybe an 'are you sure? y/n'
10:22:54Slasheripetur: however, when committing in background, then player refuses to shutdown
10:23:08peturah ok
10:23:42Teknomancerk thanks ..
10:23:49Teknomanceri'll check after a while to see if the stats are working
10:24:07SlasheriTeknomancer: yep, stats are not updating immediately
10:24:17Slasheriyou need to play a few songs before anything is displayed
10:24:21TeknomancerSlasheri yah they need to update on spin down of disk
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10:26:34_singeri need help with my rockbox
10:26:43_singeri get a error i think when loading rockbox
10:26:49markunwhich error
10:26:51_singerit says -25 at the top of my screen
10:27:09_singerand its nowhere in the manual
10:27:23markunwhich player do you have?
10:27:51_singerthe latest build
10:28:59Mmmmcould -25 be the volume? do any buttons do anything?
10:29:27_singer-25 might be volume heh
10:29:30_singerbut yea the buttons all work
10:29:34_singerbut when i click rockbox
10:29:36_singerand it says loading
10:29:43_singerit goes back to main screen
10:29:49_singerdoesnt go into the player i guess
10:29:55*LinusN tries not to giggle
10:30:10_singerit says ROLO Loading... or whatever
10:30:14peturput some music files on it (non-itunes ones)
10:30:26*petur giggles anyway
10:30:32_singerbut i thought the tag cache fixed that
10:30:47peturthen change file view to tagcache
10:31:12*petur points to the manual
10:31:26_singeri did that already
10:31:35_singeri loaded it to ram
10:31:40_singerran the tag cache
10:31:43_singerrestarted ipod
10:31:46_singerwent to rockbox
10:31:51_singersaid loading 1/7
10:31:59_singerthen when it finished 6/7 it stopped
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10:32:07_singerand went back to main
10:32:30LinusNhave you selected "id3 database" as the file view?
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10:32:49_singerlet me check
10:33:44_singeri did now
10:34:21luckzthose people.
10:34:22_singeroh man
10:34:23_singerit works
10:34:33LinusNit's a little confusing to have to select "ID3 database" to enable Tag Cache
10:34:35_singerthank you guys
10:34:42luckzwhy can people all not fucking park properly?
10:34:52_singermost people park shit luckz
10:34:52Teknomancerluckz hehe :) same question i ask always
10:34:58_singermy car got hit the other day
10:35:01_singercuz of a shitty parker
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10:35:33Teknomancerthere was once a time where a woman parked here car in such a way it blocked the exit and we had to wait for an hour for her to finish her shopping and take her car out
10:35:40Teknomancerand when she finally did, she didn't even say sorry
10:35:47LinusNCeterum censeo tag cachinem esse renamam :-P
10:35:59liniguys, the rombox.UCL is still some 260 bytes over the limit :( Is there a way I can strip out some of the code that i don't use, e.g. tagcache?
10:36:08Nimdaewee, all that redness on the latest cvs build is my fault >.>
10:36:14linifor example removing some files from apps/SOURCES?
10:36:37Bagderlini: just removing it from there won't be enough
10:36:41_singerone more question, im playing a song now, how do i go back to see the artists?
10:36:46peturTeknomancer, luckz: if you still have questions about scrobbler, the creator of the patch (obo) is now here ;)
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10:37:01Teknomancerpetur ah okay, no not really
10:37:05Teknomancertagcahce is enough for me
10:37:07Teknomanceri dont use
10:37:09LinusNNimdae: it often helps to install the compilers on a build server :-)
10:37:12Teknomancerthanks anyway petur
10:37:19Nimdaeeh, i blame redhat
10:37:23Nimdaeand the acbuild script
10:37:26liniBagder: can I just create some stubs then that do nothing and do not take up any mem?
10:37:26luckzmarkun: what you could fix is unicode in scrobbler log :D
10:37:38Bagderlini: sure
10:37:48*obo goes to read the log...
10:37:56liniwhich files should i look in first?
10:38:42LinusNNimdae: what did red hat do wrong?
10:38:42linitagcache.c i guess :)
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10:38:57Nimdaei replaced redhat's SDL packages with source install
10:39:15_singeryou press the middle button to go back?
10:39:17_singerwhen playing a song
10:39:30_singerim too new to this
10:39:35LinusNNimdae: is your server
10:39:38Nimdaeand really, the acbuild script problem was my fault, i didn't pay attention to the path being reset
10:39:44LinusN../tools/configure: line 1245: arm-elf-gcc: command not found
10:39:46luckzobo: , note the unicode issues
10:39:53LinusNhardly redhats fault
10:39:54Nimdaeyeah, that's fixed
10:39:54dan_aNice score!
10:40:05Nimdaethe sim build for ipodnano
10:40:07Bagdercan I count that score as mine? ;-)
10:40:07luckzand why is okay and is not?!
10:40:13Nimdaethat had a crapload of sdl errors
10:40:29_singerdamn this software is so 1337
10:40:47scorcheoh god...
10:40:51scorchemake it stop!
10:41:18oboluckz: yup, that's not so good...
10:41:22Nimdaeit's all fixed now though
10:41:24oboluckz: what are you using to upload the log files?
10:41:36Nimdaeat least, when i did test builds, it worked
10:41:44oboluckz: is that the .NET windows app?
10:41:45*scorche returns to idling after his outburst
10:41:46luckzthe log file looked fine to me
10:41:47luckzthink so..
10:41:57luckzwhat would you have me use?
10:42:13oboluckz: I have some music with extended characters - the perl script has been fine so far :)
10:42:33luckzwhere's the perl script again?
10:42:57oboThere is a link on the patch page to Mysticriver
10:43:12Nimdaemaybe another commit will go before i go to bed so i can make sure it works ;)
10:43:13luckzthe perl client?
10:43:23luckz ?
10:44:01Mode"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:44:13oboluckz: Thats the one
10:44:19Topic"uncle Rockbox has use for YOUR superfast build server!" by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
10:44:42*Bagder goes to the corner
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10:46:26luckzobo: wasn't there some website that could handle the whole issue?
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10:46:54oboluckz: yes, but it depends how much you trust your user/pass to a site on a .ru domain.....
10:47:15luckzbut installing perl makes baby jesus cry :(
10:47:25luckzmaybe I have perl on my server. no clue.
10:47:29luckzhow do I find out? :p
10:47:47luckzperl perl5.8.6 perlbug perlcc perldoc perlivp <- that looks like perl
10:47:54oboluckz: but I know that the perl has worked fine for me, uploading tracks with UTF-8 tags
10:48:16*LinusN wants to set up a logscrobbler submission service on
10:49:10peturthat would be nice...
10:49:19LinusNi also want to commit tle patch
10:49:29oboLinusN: I looked at trying to CGI-ify the perl version - but I know very little perl, or how to secure it properly
10:49:33LinusNi also want to learn to type :-)
10:49:47oboI would also like you to commit the patch :)
10:50:03LinusNin fact, i have no issues with the current patch
10:50:11LinusNit works on the archos
10:50:30peturhow about that disk spinup handler?
10:50:31*scorche grunts on for amiconn about bootbox
10:50:46oboI've had good reports on H1xx, h3xx, and x5s - I know myself it works on ipods
10:50:49LinusNpetur: yes, that would be a nice thing
10:51:31LinusNhmm, maybe it should at least flush the cache when entering usb mode
10:51:42peturthat too
10:52:10luckzLinusN: flush?
10:52:20LinusNsave to disk
10:54:16*LinusN adds a scrobbler_flush_cache() function
10:55:31LinusNok, now the log is flushed to disk when entering usb mode
10:56:06TeknomancerLinusN does tagcache have that?
10:56:13oboArchos can enter USB mode whilst running rockbox?
10:56:17Teknomanceror need it?
10:56:20LinusNobo: yes
10:56:28LinusNobo: iriver too
10:56:31LinusNand x5
10:56:36oboLinusN: I guess developing it on an ipod I missed that :(
10:57:28oboLinusN: it might need to move the file creation/header to a seperate function, incase it'd deleted in usb mode?
10:57:39*amiconn would prefer if USB would actually work in X5 rockbox :(
10:57:57luckzamiconn: usb work how?
10:58:00LinusNamiconn: so why don't you debug it?
10:58:38LinusNobo: what do you mean?
10:58:50Teknomancerare iAudio X5's UMS ?
10:59:05Teknomancerand i think they are 40 gig models available
10:59:11Teknomancerso maybe after my H300 i can get that :)
10:59:12oboLinusN: the write_cache function assumes that the file will be there, since the init has run
10:59:37oboLinusN: if someone has uploaded a log file and it's been deleted... further entries won't be added
10:59:43LinusNobo: ok, so you only create the file at init?
10:59:49luckzTeknomancer: X5s only come in 20, 30 and 60 afaik
10:59:52oboLinusN: yes - another ipod only gotcha
10:59:57Teknomancerluckz k 60 then :)
11:00:09luckzI prefer the 30 with juice, I think
11:00:19luckzbattery :)
11:00:34Teknomancerwhy not 60?
11:00:38Teknomancermore storage space
11:00:41luckzless battery
11:00:52*petur wants 80... in his iriver
11:00:55Teknomancerat the rate at which i'm downloading mp3s i'll run out of 40 gigs soon :)
11:01:02LinusNobo: shouldn't it always create the file when it writes the cache?
11:01:05luckzthen leave bad music at home :p
11:01:15Teknomancerluckz hmm :)
11:01:21LinusNobo: in write_cache()
11:01:28oboLinusN: I think so
11:01:50luckzI kinda get by with ~29gb used
11:01:59luckzif in doubt, I'll find something I don't like anyway
11:02:24*amiconn has 80 ...for almost 2 years, in his recorder :-P
11:02:39*scorche has 127 in his =P =P
11:02:39LinusNobo: i'll upload my patch and then you can fix the open() issue, ok?
11:02:58oboLinusN: okay, thanks
11:03:18amiconn80 is way more than I actually use though
11:03:37luckzscorche: 127gb?
11:03:48scorcheyes ;)
11:03:50luckzdid you replace zee hd?
11:04:13scorcheconsidering that they came in only 6, 10, 15, and 20.....yes
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11:08:01LinusNobo: done
11:09:01Bagderok here's my idea
11:09:11oboLinusN: thanks
11:09:19Bagderan apps/features.txt file that is using #ifdefs for defines and spits out named features
11:09:24Bagderto be used for the genlang
11:09:44Bagderlike #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING [recording] #endif
11:09:52Bagderthen we can do strings based on that feature
11:11:02Bagderso genlang would know the target name and a set of features
11:12:57luckzobo: that perl thing odesnt do anything for me
11:13:41_singerwhen i plug in my ipod, how come it doesnt show up as anything anymore?
11:14:02_singernot sure if its even charging either..
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11:15:07_singerah nvm
11:15:11_singerit restarted itself
11:16:07oboluckz: have you edited the .bat file with your login info? If you're on windows you'll need to use "rem" to comment out the uneeded lines, instead of "#"
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11:19:25NimdaeBagder: if kermit blows up again just take it out
11:19:26Nimdaei'm off to bed
11:19:38Bagdersure! thanks and good night
11:22:04luckzobo: i removed them
11:22:54oboluckz: if you're on windows, have you rebooted since installing perl, so the system path has a chance to update?
11:22:59luckznop :p
11:23:45*petur thinks the whois registrant name of kermit's server has a funny name * starts to sing the song *
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11:26:16Nimdaepetur: haha, yeah, not many people know that ;)
11:26:41peturdidn't know you could give them such a name
11:28:31Nimdaewell, that's my "company" name
11:29:06amiconnSlasheri: The playlist code saving settings often is on purpose. Otherwise we would lose resume position when the target runs out of battery
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11:33:37magic__does anyone know when rockbox will support 2nd generation nanos?
11:34:37_singeror how to play doom
11:34:42_singernot just watch the demo
11:35:18_singeri got it
11:36:30amiconnBagder: Nice 1st step... do I uc that the colon separated strings resemble a logical 'and'?
11:36:45amiconnIf so, it would be more logical to actually use &
11:37:03Bagderno, they will appear as logical OR
11:37:09Bagderany of the strings can match
11:37:25Bagderh300 _or_ usbpower
11:37:56amiconnHmm, but wasn't there the comma already?
11:38:11Bagderthe comma is for within the lang file
11:38:24Bagderthe colon is for specifying the target on the command line
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11:38:51BagderI could switch to comma there too of course
11:39:16_singerBagder, quick question, where do i get all hte stuff i need for pacbox?
11:39:34Bagder_singer: by reading the twiki and manual for it!
11:40:10Paul_the_Nerdmagic__: It's impossible to know when something like that will happen.
11:41:02daurnhows 5.5g progress?
11:41:44_singeryea but it says i need the roms for it, do i gotta find those myself or are they provided as well somewhere
11:41:56Paul_the_Nerd_singer: You must provide them for yourself.
11:41:58magic__Paul_the_Nerd: do you know any successful attempts on installing rockbox on 2nd genration nanos?
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11:42:16Paul_the_Nerdmagic__: There's nothing to install yet. Rockbox doesn't have support for much of the hardware in it.
11:42:21daurnmagic__: it'll be a total new port
11:42:40Paul_the_NerdPossibly all
11:43:00magic__ok, thx guys
11:50:34pondlifePaulJam: Did I miss any more white-noise-news? Just wondered...
11:52:23PaulJami haven't had much luck with testing. i wasn't able to reproduce the bug on the target with an older build. with a build from aug 01 i get the whitenoise more or less reliable in the sim, but not on target.
11:52:52PaulJammaybe this explains why noone noticed the bug before
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12:22:29pondlifePaulJam: Sorry - been away. Any idea roughly which build was the first where the white noise problem happened on the target?
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12:27:01pondlifeThe sim problem may be unrelated (although that's unlikely)
12:27:03_singerhey where can i get new themes for rockbo
12:27:05PaulJami think i have noticed it the first time with a build from around september 26.
12:27:14pondlifeThat recent?
12:29:57PaulJambut it could be that the problem was there on target but i didn't notice it.
12:30:39pondlifeMaybe it's been a long-term problem, but is very timing dependent. Thus it always happened on sims, but only on the target with the new scheduler?
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12:31:37pondlifeI really need to be able to repro it (ideally on the CVS sim). All I need to do is play one album, then when it stops, play another?
12:31:57pondlifeI only have 128kpbs MP3, what do you use?
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12:32:22PaulJami use lame −−alt-preset standart mostly
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12:33:40pondlifeDon't suppose you could put up 2 zips for album #1 and album#2 anywhere?
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12:34:11pondlifeNm, I'll do some VBR encoding
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12:34:41pondlifeNo requirements on total size (e.g. bigger than the decoded buffer)...
12:34:53Quazgaawhy not use ogg
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12:35:09pondlifeI'm trying to duplicate PaulJam's setup
12:35:18_singercuz mp3 encoded with lame 3.90.3 pwnz ogg
12:35:51pondlifeIf I was starting out now, I would use ogg, just because of the licensing. But I had an Archos, so all my stuff is mp3
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12:37:00PaulJami'm not sure, the size of the first album is only 23,4MiB, but i have the impression, that it still rebuffers near the end of the last track.
12:37:19pondlifeOK, so I'll go for a long album #1, just in case
12:38:14pondlifeNothing else to the recipe then, just listen..?
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12:44:29Mikachuabout the license?
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12:48:51Bagderperhaps we should discuss GPLv3 as well? ;-P
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13:03:50dan_aHmmm... looking at the file headers, we don't specify a GPL version. Doesn't that mean (IIRC) that people can choose which version they wish to follow?
13:04:25Bagderwe ship the v2
13:04:36Bagderso I'd say we mean the v2
13:07:50preglowwe mean the v2
13:07:57dan_aCheck paragraph 9 of the COPYING files, though
13:08:04preglowthe 'any later version' part is for other people if they wish to "relicence"
13:08:25Mikachuif you don't say "or any later version" any where, it's just v2
13:08:52Bagderdan_a: yes, that says that *if* we'd say "or any later version" it would apply
13:08:58Bagderand we don't
13:09:42Bagder"If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation"
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13:16:12leftrightpondlife: I also encoutered random white noise and all my music is encoded using EAC @ LAME 3.90.3 −−alt-preset standard, I encountered the white noise whilst using Random Folder Patch, I din't do accurate trouble shooting as I ditched that feature
13:16:47pondlifeThanks, maybe VBR is required for this to happen?
13:17:02leftrightperhaps ?,
13:18:08leftrightbut coding isn't my forte'
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13:23:09pondlifePaulJam: Do you know if you can trigger white noise by listening to an album through, then playing that same album again?
13:23:27pondlifeIf not, could you try it maybe?
13:23:29PaulJami haven't tried that
13:24:27PaulJamwith a current cvs build?
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13:29:16pondlifeI think we need to assume this is a fairly basic problem
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13:30:15pondlifeThe only other tests I can think of would involve going through lots of mid-Sept builds again on the device, to see if it was the playback changes, or the scheduler that started this.
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13:31:02pondlifeEither way, if I can reproduce it then I can stick some logging in and hopefully make progress.
13:36:53leftrighthmm was the sheduler incorporated after JdGordons Random patch ?
13:37:36*leftright does some research
13:38:22Teknomanceri don't suppose Rockbox can edit my ID3 tags of my mp3s ?:)
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13:38:45Teknomanceryah i know that's asking a lot ..
13:40:16leftrightno you cant edit ID3 tas with RB
13:40:28Teknomancerk thx
13:41:38Genre9mp3I think that there is a patch for that though I've never test it
13:42:04Teknomancerhmm there is?
13:42:09Teknomancerokay thanks
13:42:35PaulJamthe random folder functionality was comitted after the scheduler, but the patch existed before
13:42:56Genre9mp3Actually there are 2... #1008 and #5927
13:43:07pondlifeIf the white noise is a bit of random memory being scribbled on, it might be related to too...
13:43:35Genre9mp3Probably #1008 is out of date though
13:44:02Genre9mp3And according to #5927 description, can only edit id3v1 tags
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13:48:06pondlifeJdGordon: On H300, you reckon pitch screen is accessible from the WPS using some key combination..?
13:48:19JdGordonpondlife: on+up or down
13:48:29pondlifeOn = Play?
13:48:39pondlifeBecause it doesn't work here...
13:48:55JdGordonlemme check on mine
13:49:17JdGordondoesnt work here either
13:49:20pondlifeToggled hold, then it works
13:49:30Slasheripondlife: hmm, i have never heard the random noise on h140 but have had it crash many times when skipping, or buffer going desync
13:49:37JdGordonwow.. wierd... same here :p
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13:50:09pondlifeJdGordon: I thought I'd ask you as you are Mr Buttons
13:51:00pondlifeSlasheri: Well, I have heard it once or twice, but not reproducible. I have had some random crashes, normally after playing with crossfade settings during playback though!!
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13:51:44pondlifeA memory corruptor would explain most of this though...
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13:53:33JdGordonpondlife: thanks for your suggestion on the ml btw, it looks like i got very confused by crossfade and crossfeed and muddled up the settnigs.. so once i fix then ill let oyu know if its all working again
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13:54:27pondlifeWell it ought to work, but I think there is a problem in the playback code there. Probably that it's not waiting for everything to stop before it rearranges memory
13:54:51pondlifeNot really a settings thing, but you may be exposing it.
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13:55:37JdGordoni dont know why tho.. because all the settings for those 2 look like they should initialize to 0...
13:55:42JdGordonunless that is a naughty value?
13:56:08pondlifeNo, 0 *should* be ok...
13:56:33pondlifeIf you comment out the crossfade stuff, does your problem go away?
13:57:03pondlifeAh, so maybe it's not that then..
13:57:15JdGordonbut isnt there a problem with it not being initislaed in settings_apply()?
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13:58:52pondlifeThe playback stuff only kicks in if it reckons the buffer sizes have changed anyway, so it shouldn't normally do this.
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14:00:11JdGordonwill the playback code work find with default settings (from boot) with settings_reset() not called?
14:00:28pondlifeNot sure. Should do.
14:01:03Teknomanceri got some album art JPGs, anyone know the filename for RB theme's to pick up the art ?
14:01:06TeknomancerFolder.jpg ?
14:01:44peturcustom or experimental build I suppose?
14:01:46JdGordon*cough* no unofficial build support here*
14:01:59*JdGordon brb
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14:02:02pondlifeJdGordon: audio_playback_init() calls audio_set_crossfade()
14:02:07Teknomancerpetur KOSH's experimental build
14:02:31pondlifeBest ask Kosh, then
14:02:31peturTeknomancer: checked the forum?
14:02:33Teknomancerbut i thot album art is a standard feature of RB
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14:02:48Teknomancerhmm, weird
14:02:49Teknomancerokay thanks
14:02:49pondlifeNot yet anyway
14:03:03Teknomanceri'll skip album art for now then,
14:03:10Teknomanceri have waay to much stuff to Artify
14:03:14peturTeknomancer: there's an únofficial build' subforum
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14:03:33Teknomancerpetur in MR right? yah will check it
14:03:46Genre9mp3Teknomancer: It's "Cover.bmp"
14:03:47peturalso on RB forum
14:04:00Teknomancerit has to be a BMP :)
14:04:14Teknomancerlol, forget it then, i dont have time for conversions .. haha ,thanks anyway Genre9mp3
14:05:26Genre9mp3Teknomancer: Google for "Imagicon" ;)
14:05:27nudelynyou can batch convert them
14:05:38Teknomanceri must reboot for that
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14:05:50*JdGordon lost green on one of my crts!
14:06:10Teknomancerwell i have batch converters in Zeta too, maybe i can try those
14:06:16peturhaha looking through pink glasses :)
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14:14:25oboLinusN: I've updated the patch - it's just a cut and paste job - if it needs to be more elegant I'll have more time tonight to look at it (plus give it a real test)
14:15:23LinusNobo: goodie
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14:32:04TeknomancerI copied some new tracks to my player
14:32:17Teknomancerand in TagCache I did "Update as well as Initialize
14:32:28Teknomancerbut its still cannot be seen in "id3 database" view ..
14:32:34Teknomancerbut its working with FileTree mode
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14:34:53SlasheriTeknomancer: unless you have dircache enabled and/or tagcache loaded to ram, you need to reboot after update to see the new tracks
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14:35:13TeknomancerSlasheri oh so u suggest i load TagCache to RAM ?
14:35:18Slasheriif view tagcache info from debug menu has "Commit delayed: Yes", then you have to reboot
14:35:19Teknomanceror reboot is bette?
14:35:32Slasheriif you use it a lot, you should load it to ram
14:35:36Slasheriand have dircache enabled also
14:35:57Teknomancerhmm what do u mean by use it a lot ?
14:36:00Teknomanceras in change it often ?
14:36:33Slasheriyep, loading it to ram shouldn't affect playback time much anyway
14:36:45TeknomancerSlasheri okay what about "Auto Update" in TagCache?
14:37:20SlasheriTeknomancer: if you enable the ram features, you should probably enable that too
14:37:28Slasherithen new tracks are automatically detected
14:37:45TeknomancerSlasheri and where do i enable the "dircache" u mentioned?
14:37:58Slasherisystem - disk - dircache
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14:45:19pondlifePaulJam: Another question..? Have you tagged your audio files? If so, ID3v1 or v2?
14:45:52pondlifeI only use ID3v2, and their a bit of a hack in playback.c to deal with v1...
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14:49:29PaulJami have removed all id3v1 tags from my files a while ago
14:49:39pondlifeOK, so v2 only?
14:50:00pondlifeOr none
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14:52:41pondlifeSame as me then... never mind
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15:32:41pondlifePaulJam: Am onto track 3 of album 2 with no noise or WPS weirdness...
15:33:07PaulJamhas it already rebuffered?
15:34:05pondlifeIn album 2, no
15:34:36pondlifeI thoght you typically had problems in track 2 of album 2...
15:34:48pondlife5 more tracks to go here..
15:35:21PaulJamnormally the whitenoise problem habbens when the track that was playing while rebuffering should end
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15:51:31pondlifeOK...just rebuffered
15:53:22pondlifeWent onto next track fine :(
15:55:45pondlifeAnd another :( :(
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16:01:38pondlifePaulJam: I wonder if I may have prevented it failing by going into the settings menu to look at the audio thread? My voice file was put into action....
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16:02:24lowlightPaulJam, pondlife: is the whitenoise problem mp3 only? or can you get it with oggs too?
16:02:41amiconnPaulJam: Hmm, is the whitenoise always coupled with the playback stopping?
16:02:49pondlifelowlight: Sorry, don't know. I can't get it to happen at all
16:02:59amiconnIf so, the whitenoise could be caused by voice
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16:04:01pondlifeSomething attempting to speak a filename with no voice file loaded?
16:04:51PaulJamamiconn: i had sometimes whitenoise without the stopping
16:05:03pondlifeIt happens during playback, after rebuffering. But all reports seem to indicate it only happens after an album has played.
16:05:54pondlifeI was wondering if it was a problem in the PCM buffer wrap around (buf_ridx) or track details wrap around (track_ridx). But restarting playback zeroes both of those...
16:07:07pondlifePaulJam: How long does the white noise go on for?
16:07:22pondlifeUntil you stop, or just for a "chunk"?
16:07:33PaulJampondlife: yesterday when i was testing what happens when autochange dir was enabled i had the whitenoise already at the first track
16:07:45pondlifeOn the first album?
16:07:47PaulJammaybe a half second or so
16:07:57PaulJamsecond album
16:08:32pondlifeI could understand it more with autochange dir on, but not with a complete stop/restart.
16:08:56pondlifeI've just finished album 2 and no problem.
16:09:46lowlightPaulJam: can you encode some oggs and play them under the same conditions?
16:09:50pondlifehalf a second could be the guard buffer being used?
16:11:46lowlightpondlife: if whitenoise is being played, then it must be caused by the codec (pcmbuf_insert). right?
16:11:55MadkissFor uninstalling rockbox, what is the correct command to be used on Mac OS?
16:12:25pondlifeOr a bug in pcmbuf memory linking?
16:13:18pondlifeBut I don't think either of those would be related to playback rebuffering
16:13:30pondlifeWhich seems to be a definite factor.
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16:16:12lowlightit might if request_buffer isn't returning valid frame...yet it's somehow being inserted into the pcmbuf.
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16:18:14amiconnPaulJam: Do you have a voice file installed?
16:18:26PaulJamamiconn: no
16:18:30lowlightpondlife: the mp3 decoding is a bit of a hack in order to make gapless work. Which is why I keep asking about oggs.
16:19:08amiconnMaybe the whitenoise only happens with no voice file installed
16:19:19amiconnIn fact that sounds familiar...
16:19:20pondlifePaulJam: I thought you had it happen with a voice file?
16:19:40PaulJami have tried with a voicefile and had the problem too
16:21:51amiconnThe stopping or the whitenoise?
16:23:26PaulJamthe whitenoise, i'm not sure if i had the stopping too
16:23:56pondlifeamiconn: Why does this sound familiar?
16:26:02pondlifeI'd appreciate if someone could double-check audio_reset_buffer() in playback,.c. I wonder if my memory map was missing something important.
16:26:29*pondlife must, stop, hitting, the ,comma key by accident
16:27:03*daurn looks around, any new targets?
16:27:43Bagderthere is some hope for the sansa port these days
16:28:24daurnany dm320 ports talked of?
16:28:40pondlifeI based it on - but I also generated that with a bit of help from lostlogic, so we may have forgotten something small
16:30:20pondlifeBTW, does "Catch mem accesses" work on iRiver H300?
16:30:34pondlifeThe Wiki is Archos-centric
16:31:10daurndid that shirour get anywhere with mrobe?
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16:31:20Bagderdaurn: afaik, he never returned here
16:31:40daurnand the ZenM guy didn't come back?
16:32:11Bagderno idea, I didn't see him in the first place
16:33:02daurni'll just have to wait for neuros to damn finish
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16:33:30daurn(the OSD, so N3 work can start)
16:33:45Bagderand why do you need a dm320 target?
16:33:53daurn(N3 is their tobe ipod compeditor)
16:34:09daurnBagder: no reason - i want a player with 60gb+ that isn't ipod
16:34:21Bagderwell, by the time N3 comes there ought to be many others
16:34:22pondlifeAn Archos Recorder with a big HD?
16:34:23daurnand with ogg support
16:34:31BagderX5 has 60GB
16:34:35daurn(and i don't like iaudio)
16:34:51pondlifeThe aquaducts...
16:35:18daurni just don't like the control layout of X5 at all
16:35:29Bagderbut you know the N3 will be good?
16:35:33daurnalso, seems rather expensive
16:35:46daurnBagder: it will be (better be)
16:35:47Bagderwhy would N3 be cheaper?
16:36:09daurnBagder: cause i will beta test it :P
16:36:39Bagderby the time you can beta test that, you will be able to by x5 dirt cheap
16:36:55daurnstill don't like it ;P
16:37:15BagderI'm just amazed by your focus on dm320 and neuros
16:37:27Bagderthe N3 is far away
16:37:52Bagderbut sure, it will be hackable like not many others
16:38:25daurnnot my focus on dm320 - just all the cool stuff uses it
16:38:45daurntheres not much around with hdds anymore
16:38:54daurneverything seems to be flash based :(
16:39:24daurn(i see flash player that i like the look of - but i just NEED storage)
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16:51:05amiconnpondlife: Yes, 'Catch mem accesses' does work on coldfire
16:51:20amiconnThe wiki is in urgent need of updating :(
16:51:38pondlifeOK. I may attempt to understand it then..
16:51:59pondlifeMight be useful to find if memory is being corrupted?
16:52:14amiconnpondlife: Whitenoise with no voice file present sounds familiar because we already had that once.
16:52:57pondlifeIIn this case, PaulJam has had it with a build that had all of the voice stuff excluded from playback.c. Might still be talk.c though.
16:53:39amiconn'Catch mem accesses' is useful for finding (1) uninitialised pointers, as that would access address 0 or some address in that range (in case the uninitialised pointer is a pointer to an array or struct)
16:54:12pondlifeIn my experience an access to address 0 crashes the H300
16:54:20pondlifehard - no panic
16:54:29amiconn...and (2) for finding write accesses to read-only data - but only if rockbox is running directly from flash, i.e. currently only for archos
16:55:56amiconnAn access to address 0 shouldn't crash the iriver, as there is memory present in that range (the flash ROM)
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16:56:17amiconnAccesses to non-existing areas will hang the coldfire, because the bus cycle will never end
16:56:26pondlifeAh, maybe that's what it was
16:56:58lostlogicpondlife: have people other than pauljam been able to recreate the white noise?
16:57:03lostlogichas he sent a recording of the problem?
16:57:08pondlifeIt's been reported on the forum
16:57:33PaulJamif it helps i can record it
16:58:09pondlifeIt seems to have happened on the sim ever since we had SDL audio out. It seems to have happened on target roughly since the scheduler came in.
16:58:37pondlife(But to confuse matters I had some playback tinkering at roughly the same time.)
16:59:06pondlifeI suspect a long-standing issue that is timing dependent?
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17:00:54pondlifeI have had it happen here, but only once (or maybe twice) ever. Nothing reproducible.
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17:02:14amiconnI only ever observed the stopping, but also only recently
17:02:38amiconn...since around the time where the new scheduler was committed
17:03:00amiconnCan't say much about the sims - don't use them for playing music
17:03:11pondlifeI use the H300 sim all day every day
17:03:28pondlifeIt's like the H300 but requires less charging
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17:25:40PaulJamlostlogic: here is a sample of the whitenoise:
17:31:14PaulJambtw. this was with CVS-061018 (there is a typo in the filename)
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17:36:41lowlightPaulJam: how do I go about reproducing this bug?
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17:38:58PaulJamreset the settings (propably optional), play a folder by selecting the first song, set repeat to off. when the folder has finished play another folder.
17:39:32PaulJammost times when this bug happens playback stopps after the first track of the second folder
17:40:59lowlightdo the tracks in the first folder need to cause a rebuffer?
17:41:07preglowsounds like some buffer being played back
17:42:09PaulJamthen select the second track. now playback continues normally until it rebuffers. the track that was playing while rebuffering plays longer than it should (time counts higher than the tracktime) then after some time the sound aborte and you herar short whitenoise and the next track starts
17:43:48lostlogicsomething is not reset when playback ends due to playlist end that is reset when playback ends by stop button
17:43:52lostlogicwhatever this is leads to corruption?
17:44:20lostlogicdoes this bug happen after pressing stop rather than letting a playlist end?
17:45:30PaulJamthe bug happens also when autochange folder is set to "random" or "yes". i don't know if it happens after manually stopping.
17:46:09lostlogicPaulJam: so even if the playback engine automatically selects the next folder, this will frequently happen?
17:46:43PaulJami have the impression that with autochange dir it doen't happen that often
17:48:05lostlogichave we had any reports of this happening to users who play long playsts on shuffle, or users who always press stop as opposed to running into the end of a playlist?
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17:49:00PaulJam_i have never experienced it with a playlist
17:49:06lostlogicthat's what I figured.
17:49:25lostlogicok, so playlist-end and/or directory skip handling are effed up.
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17:49:42lostlogicno shock there, I've never properly understood those parts of the playback engine
17:50:06PaulJam_but once it happened it happens again even if you use a playlist until you restart the player
17:50:49lostlogicwow, that's impressive, what on earth could it break that _never_ gets reset!?
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18:23:03lostlogic <−− Don't apply, doesn't work, but can anyone tell me WHY this causes the codec to sleep for a _long_ time when it tries to sleep for "1"?
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18:28:47lostlogicpondlife: you might be interested in the logs from when you were gone just now.
18:28:54pondlifeOK, will look
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18:32:08pondlifelostlogic: I was thinking it was something not being reset on "natural" stop. But starting playback resets everything as far as I can tell.
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18:33:23pondlifeBut how come some users (PaulJam in particular) can almost make it happen on demand, yet I cannot get a failure after weeks of trying!
18:33:38pondlifeMaybe because my sim has debug/logf enabled and it changes the timing?>
18:35:26*pondlife knows nothing except he's having nightmares about white noise
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18:37:06sawoanybody here?
18:37:13sawoi need little help
18:37:43sawoim going to get iPOD video 80GB but im not sure if its 5G or 5.5G
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18:37:50sawoits brand new from apple store
18:38:01PaulJam80 GB is 5.5gen
18:38:09sawoso rockbox doesnt support it yet?
18:38:35PaulJamno, not yet
18:38:59sawoi may try to install podlinux
18:39:12sawoit doesnt support 5.5g yet also but ill try to get it working
18:40:10sawoalso does rockbox use linux core or not?
18:40:43sawook thx for the help
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18:41:20pondlifeamiconn: Do you have a searchable archive of the ML around? I can't see one on the website...
18:41:38pondlifeI'm downloading all messages via NNTP, but it's not quick
18:42:11pondlifeJust wanted to search for the past "white noise/voice" issue.
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18:43:53Mikachu"white noise" is probably better
18:44:54pondlife"Also, this has been mentioned before, but transitions between voice clips, as well as audio files being played themselves (such as when fast-forwarding/rewinding or track skipping) occasionally produce an
18:44:54pondlifeaudible artifact which sounds like "chihk" or like a really short burst of white noise. I started noticing this a week or two before the code freeze."
18:51:34Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: around?
18:53:01Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd" I get a database error whenever I try to search in the forums
18:53:18Genre9mp3Does anyone else has this, too?
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18:58:01lowlightGenre9mp3: same here.
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19:17:22luckzanybody who can help me with that submit thing here?
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19:23:13Slasherilostlogic: your scheduler patch wont work unless you check how statearg is handled
19:24:04Slasherifor example switch thread uses only if (cores[CURRENT_CORE].running->statearg) to determine if thread needs to change its state
19:24:12*petur hopes XavierGr is ok - pretty bad weather there
19:24:31Slasheriyou need to add GET_STATE to determine the type of statearg
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19:39:29lostlogicSlasheri: thanks!
19:39:50lostlogicSlasheri: I guess I assumed that all uses of statearg used the macros.
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19:42:13XavierGrpetur, they always exaggerate
19:42:42Genre9mp3XavierGr: Actually, the weather is really bad in the North Aegean
19:42:48XavierGrI am perectly fine, and the weather is not suprisingly bad as some people report on news channels
19:43:42XavierGrwell it is bad but not worth to make a fuss about it
19:43:59peturXavierGr: I just saw some short film on tv...
19:44:09peturlooked bad enough to me
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19:45:09XavierGrwell of course some house might have a problem in weird areas, but life here continues as normal
19:45:20XavierGrit is just another rainy day for me
19:45:25peturok, good to hear
19:45:57XavierGrpetur: now is your time to visit crete! :P
19:46:23Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: This is not something I can fix myself apparently, as it means one of our tables has become corrupted as far as I can tell, and requires me to issue a command to repair the table, which I don't believe is something I can do with what I currently have access to.
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19:46:50oboluckz: still no joy?
19:47:14luckzobo: the timestamps are totally fucked up :D
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19:47:35luckzwhat I played "10h and 29" ago I played about an hour ago
19:47:37*Paul_the_Nerd is not here any more.
19:47:45obowhat player do you have? You're in CET?
19:47:52luckzyet everything from the third song on, I played 7 hours ago
19:48:10luckzI have a X5, I'm in germany, so +2 with DST
19:48:38obois your X5 set to the DST time?
19:48:43luckzKMFDMSplitGo To Hell (Fearing And Burning)3283S1161171239 <- first entry
19:49:14luckzBhse Onkelz20 Jahre - Live In FrankfurtFesthallenjam (Bonus)10193S1161195687
19:49:53luckz <- the order there is totally off
19:50:02luckzthe last thing I played, Nebula, I played on my pc before leaving
19:50:15oboare you using the perl script now?
19:50:31luckzthe other thing fucked up unicodeness but used proper time
19:50:42obois your X5 set to DST time?
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19:51:01luckz−− -t UTC_OFFSET (numerical) <- ahh?
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19:51:22oboexactly :)
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19:51:45oboit'll guess if you don't supply that... but obviously better if you do
19:51:50amiconnobo: Rockbox has no timezone concept. Just local time
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19:52:09oboamiconn: I know, but you can still manually set it to a DST time...
19:52:10luckzPlaytime: Wed Oct 18 16:29:25 2006 |local Playtime: Wed Oct 18 18:29:25 2006| fa
19:52:13luckzked playtimeWed Oct 18 07:18:18 2006| submitted Wed Oct 18 07:18:18 2006
19:52:14luckzthat is from my log
19:52:25luckzit has the local playtime right but then does a "faked playtime"
19:52:42luckzokay, it's 7 PM and it thinks it's 7 AM?!
19:53:05luckzI think my X5 time is perfectly fine, in any case
19:53:07luckzit shows as fine there, too
19:53:13luckzit's just that the perl script rapes it
19:54:31lowlightPaulJam: duplicated the playback bug in the sim...playback stopped after track 1 of the "second" directory
19:54:56lowlightbut only for VBR mp3's, not when I played some CBR mp3s ???
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19:56:40PaulJami haven't tried it with cbr mp3s (i used −−alt-preset standard files)
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19:57:33squeakyah .. lots of people
19:58:01oboluckz: just trying a few things here...
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20:00:41squeakyi've got some questions on ogg decoding, if anyone has a second to answer
20:02:05PaulJamluckz: in the rockscrobbler.bat, does the line contain a "-n" ?
20:03:13lowlightsqueaky: just ask
20:03:32squeakyogg decoding is only supported on the iriver and ipod, right?
20:03:45PaulJamluckz: the option -n specifies that the target has no realtimeclock. so it uses a faked playtime. (at least in the version i use)
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20:04:29squeakyi'm trying to make sense of the numbers on the CodecPerformanceComparison wiki page. what are the percentages in the table −− cpu usage?
20:05:33XavierGrcurrent topic is best ever :p
20:05:49XavierGrand it seems that Rockbox is my favorite uncle!
20:06:00lowlightsqueaky: yes...ogg decoding on all targets but archos.
20:06:04amiconnsqueaky: Ogg decoding is supported on all swcodec targets, i.e. all currently supported targets except the old archoses
20:06:04XavierGrthough I don't have a server for him :(
20:06:50lowlightsqueaky: I think the percentages are "boost ratio"
20:07:05squeakywhat's the boost ratio?
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20:09:03lowlightThe cpu can run a different frequencies. Rockbox tries to run at a low freq to preserve battery, but may need to boost a higher frequency to keep up with decoding.
20:09:30squeakyi see.
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20:10:05lowlightThe higher the boost ratio the more cpu power is used.
20:11:09squeakyare there battery runtime comparisons for these things? i found some for the ipod. do they exist for the others as well?
20:12:01squeaky(IpodRuntime on the wiki)
20:13:27lowlightTry "IriverRuntime" on the wiki
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20:23:11squeakyahh, neat.
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20:28:47luckzarrr, didn't know that PaulJam
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20:29:40luckzI thought -n means to delete content of .log after submitting
20:32:28oboah, that would explain it :)
20:33:40oboit always deletes the contents of the file - so if you're having problems it can be useful to make a copy of the log and run it on that (and use -v as well)
20:33:57luckzI always make a copy :x
20:34:04luckzwell, for now
20:34:07luckzuntil it works
20:34:31oboo ye of little faith
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21:06:45lowlightlostlogic: I can reproduce PaulJam's playback bug in the sim, but only with vbr mp3s and only with a non-logf
21:08:46PaulJamthe reproduction is not 100% reliable, you sometimes have to try 2 or 3 times to triger it.
21:22:10lowlightIt's been reproducable with vbr mp3's so far. just not with a logf enabled sim.
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21:37:47lostlogicso it's definitely a race of some sort, since logf on vs off impacts it
21:37:48lostlogicthat's cute.
21:38:09lostlogicwe clearly need to give another careful review of what's happening on which threads when
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21:44:32amiganHrm. How come the uisimulator has lines like #include "SDL.h" instead of #include <SDL.h>? Apparently it's confusing mkdep, at least on FreeBSD, and doesn't know how to satisfy the SDL.h target (obviously)
21:45:44luckzmake dependency or whatever?
21:45:58LearJust got a scratch on track change here...
21:46:03amiganOr whatever makes the .depend stuff for gmake (I dunno much about gmake, I normally use BSD make)
21:46:20Bagderits not a make thing at all
21:46:27Bagderthe dep stuff is made with gcc
21:46:52Bagderand "" works, even if possibly a bit odd
21:47:23Bagderwhy would it confuse gcc?
21:47:31amiganWell I just changed them to <xyz.h> and it builds fine
21:47:46amiganBagder, because usually quotes mean the include is in the current directory and not a system include
21:47:55amiganSo apparnetly it's trying to figure out how to satisfy it.
21:47:56Bagderno it doesn't
21:48:06Bagderit simply tells how to search for the include
21:48:11amiganI'm not talking about the C standard, I'm talking about whatever the depend stuff wants.
21:48:29amiganWell you can't argue with results. I changed it and it works.
21:48:32BagderI know what that wants, since I wrote it
21:48:54amigan(well now it's bitching because apparently there's a usb.h in my system include directory but I'll deal with this)
21:48:56Bagderhence my questions
21:49:38amiganWell what's your question? Why would it confuse gcc? I have no clue. But it does.
21:49:59amiganThe FreeBSD gcc is basically stock gcc with a few patches to integrate it nicely with FreeBSD. I don't see how it would affect it.
21:51:50Bagderyou could compare the dep file with and without "" changed to <>
21:52:27Bagderbut yeah, we should also just fix those include lines
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22:00:17amiganHrm. I got it to compile but now it's complaining that it can't find a bunch of symbols when it goes to link rockboxui (mostly pcm stuff)
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22:17:28freqmodHello, does anybody know how to reverse int2le from scamble .c, to make le2int(int2le(x))=x?
22:19:22Bagderwhat's the problem?
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22:20:32freqmodi am trying to make a b-tree based database to store wikipedia titles (for use in a rockbox plugin). Then I want to save 16 bit's integers to a file and read them again endian independantly
22:20:52freqmodand 8, 32, and 64 bit's
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22:23:30hcsI use letoh16() and htole16() from system.h for swapping
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22:27:40preglowfreqmod: stop that wikipedia nonsense and make a new speex patch :>
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22:33:01freqmodI haven't done any optimalizations to speex, so there are no reasons to make a new patch
22:33:36freqmodcurrently it plays 32kHz too slow for me, when I updated rockbox.
22:34:29pregloware the warnings gone?
22:35:17freqmodyes, in the last patch, except a few extra variable definitions when you enable the last asm
22:35:33freqmod(which I have fixed and takes max 5 min to fix)
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22:35:50freqmod(btw. it works realtime again)
22:36:00preglowthen it really should be commited soon
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22:36:28freqmodfeel free, I can make an updated patch for current cvs.
22:37:21freqmodexcept, that the makefile for the libspeex directory disables warnings for unused defined variables. Else we have to edit many function prototypes
22:37:40preglowwell, i can live with that
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22:39:25sawosup ?
22:39:38JBnot much
22:39:45sawoteh same
22:39:59JBdo you know anything about making fonts?
22:40:15sawoi have some exp with windowz fonts..
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22:40:35sawowhat fontz u need to make?
22:40:38JBI'm just trying to convert the .bdf file that I created into the .fnt
22:40:45freqmodpreglow: Somebody that knows makefiles has to fix apps/codecs/Makefile in the speex patch
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22:40:53sawowhat program did u used?
22:41:14sawoit should have some export option
22:41:22freqmodexport to bdf
22:41:24preglowwell, i surely don't know them
22:41:31sawoprolly Ctrl + E
22:41:59JBI already have the created .bdf file but I don't understand how to convert it to .fnt
22:42:06freqmodpreglow: I have made something that works but it is a kind of a hack
22:42:11sawotry ctrl+e
22:42:20freqmodJB: rockbox root/tools/convbdf
22:43:55JBfreqmod: how do I run that in terminal?
22:44:30freqmod./convbdf -f <bdf file>
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22:47:46JBI'm running Mac OS X so I don't think I can run that command
22:48:09JBAll the files in the folder tools have the extension .c
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22:48:20freqmodyou have to compile rockbox before you can run it
22:48:33scorche`i believe darwin should run it the same way
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22:49:08sawoJB there are pl script
22:49:08JBLet me compile rockbox and I'll get back to you guys
22:49:25sawochex this
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22:53:39amiconnThere's some yellow in the build table I didn't cause
22:53:51amiconnNew build server, and the warning appears in sh2d.c
22:54:31amiconnWho runs that kermit.... build server? Is that perhaps an amd64 machine?
22:54:32lostlogichave there been any changes to the recommended compiler versions for build servers since ... spring?
22:54:47Bagderamiconn: it is
22:54:51preglowlostlogic: nay
22:55:03amiconnAh, so sh2d isn't 100% 64bit clean...
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22:55:06preglowlostlogic: newest 3.4 for coldfire, newest 4 for everything else
22:55:07Bagderso the warning seems legitimate to me
22:55:18preglowwhat's sh2d?
22:55:24amiconnsh disassembler
22:55:29Mikachuit obviously converts sh to d, duh
22:55:35amiconnOpen source, and a bit better than objdump
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22:56:38amiconnlostlogic: Newest gcc 4.0.x for sh and arm - and sh needs a patch
22:57:13 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) should take care of that (I didn't try it yet though)
22:57:34preglowit does take care of it
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22:58:46LinusNamiconn: i fixed the x5 usb bug
22:59:14LinusNit turns out the usb_device_init() function has never been called
22:59:51amiconnnice :)
22:59:58LinusNand the ipod target tree patch fixed this, so now it is called
23:00:25LinusNbut the usb_device_init() function was not correct
23:00:46LinusNwe need a new usb icon on the x5
23:01:05amiconnYes - or at least need to make the background transparent
23:01:48LinusNi'd like a nice color icon with a transparent background
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23:05:16LinusNsomething like the original iriver version:
23:05:28freqmodFixed assemby warnings and synced to cvs
23:05:53JBI just ran the perl script successfully and created a .fnt file however when I "run" the font on the iPod, the font looks like the default font.
23:05:56freqmodOuput when compiling (no errors or warnings)
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23:07:05freqmodargh, forgot to remove vq.c~
23:07:56amiconnLinusN: The 3D shadow won't work well with transparency. We have no alpha channel
23:10:50JBI just tried to convert the font again and it's still rendering like the default font, what am I doing wrong?
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23:11:42JBbtw, I'm trying to convert MyriadPro-Semibold.otf into a .fnt file
23:11:53LinusNwith what tool?
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23:13:30JBI converted the .otf file into a .bdf file using FontForge and converted the .bdf file to a .fnt file using the perl script that sawo linked to (
23:14:23JBwhich I downloaded from here:
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23:14:37LinusNJB: the rockbox FNT format is not the same
23:15:08LinusNyou should use the convbdf tool from the rockbox tools/ directory
23:15:57JBalright I was trying to stay away from having to compile rockbox since I would have to download XCode
23:16:17Bagderyou can compile the converter only
23:16:23Bagderno need to build the whole thing
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23:18:11JBThat would be easier but I still have to download Xcode since the terminal by default can't compile w/o it
23:19:31linuxstbJB: Are you on a PPC Mac?
23:19:56JBlinuxstb: Yes I am
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23:20:51linuxstbJB: - I've just compiled it for you.
23:21:21preglowi wonder if i should try to fix the resampler again
23:22:14amiconnDo you have an idea how to make the resampler better quality than now?
23:22:16JBThanks a ton linuxstb!
23:23:00amiconn(apart from fixing the clicking bug)
23:23:15preglowamiconn: tons of ideas, but the clicking bug is probably independent of resampling method, so that comes first
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23:32:32preglowfreqmod: just gonna do an eq commit, then i'll have a look at speex
23:35:22preglowsomeone please make logarithmic cutoff freq controls!
23:38:35amiconnpreglow: Good idea
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23:39:03preglowsome kind of logarithmic acceleration would be just lovely, though
23:39:14preglowso one can do fine tuning even at higher freqs
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23:45:44goffahmm... i see usb mode is updated on the x5... does that fix something that was recently broke? or just re enable the usbotg chip?
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23:46:06goffaand if it reenables the usbotg, does that drop battery life again?
23:46:31*preglow summons safetydan
23:47:06goffabasically wondering if i should update :)
23:48:40luckzwhat was brokn?
23:49:03luckzI downgraded from 10-18 to 10-13-patched
23:49:10luckzbecause I want silly things
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23:49:48goffaluckz: potentially nothing
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23:50:25luckzwell, that sounds good, no?
23:50:39luckzyou could also just use that fancy patched 10-13 build :p
23:50:40goffayeah... but i might want usb to not be working to save battery
23:50:53amiconngoffa: ??
23:51:21amiconnusb mode didn't work in rockbox. Now it works again. That has nothing to do with battery consumption
23:51:26PaulJamgoffa: i think it was the usb otg chip that drained the battery
23:55:06goffaok.. that's what i was asking
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23:55:44goffaso does this eliminate the need for the subpack?
23:55:53d4t3rhi ..
23:56:16goffahi d4t3r
23:56:19d4t3ryust updated my ipod color . with rockbox ..
23:56:23d4t3rhi goffa
23:56:46d4t3rand now i will recover as much as possible my music on it. .
23:57:01d4t3rthe old one .. ituns sync ..
23:57:18d4t3r ... stil reading this ..
23:57:32d4t3rfind in section 4 file browser ..
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23:57:46d4t3rbut cant find it in rockbox menue
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23:58:25d4t3rdownloaded .. this version ..
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23:58:45PaulJamthe filebrowser is the screen you start in when you boot rockbox, but propably the files are hidden.

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