| 00:00:02 | luckz | does that mean he has to/can enable tag cache and stuff like that now? |
| 00:00:08 | d4t3r | that are the only i can see |
| 00:00:25 | PaulJam | change the fileview to show all files |
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| 00:00:39 | goffa | bbl |
| 00:00:39 | RaiderX | hey |
| 00:00:52 | RaiderX | i just fisnhed an edit off my Theme X theme |
| 00:00:53 | RaiderX | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g?rev=1;filename=Theme_X_Glow.png |
| 00:00:56 | RaiderX | comments pls |
| 00:00:58 | RaiderX | =D |
| 00:01:36 | luckz | for? |
| 00:01:39 | luckz | just ipod5g? |
| 00:01:52 | RaiderX | yes |
| 00:01:55 | luckz | mhm |
| 00:02:03 | luckz | I wouldn't mind somebody suggesting a nice ipod mini theme |
| 00:02:09 | RaiderX | hmm |
| 00:02:14 | RaiderX | check the wiki |
| 00:02:23 | RaiderX | and also check www.rockbox-themes.org |
| 00:02:49 | RaiderX | i coudl never work with maming a colorless theme |
| 00:04:36 | * | preglow kicks fixed point |
| 00:05:05 | d4t3r | ok found them .. now how to recover my old bib ? |
| 00:05:13 | d4t3r | or something like it |
| 00:06:01 | d4t3r | tag cache ?? |
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| 00:07:20 | d4t3r | cant find a full menue listing anywhere .. |
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| 00:14:07 | d4t3r | ok got it.. |
| 00:14:11 | d4t3r | thx .. |
| 00:14:13 | d4t3r | and n8 .. |
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| 00:16:40 | JB | Amazing, the converted font works perfectly |
| 00:17:03 | JB | however it doesn't look exactly like the font used on the ipod |
| 00:17:28 | JB | does the ipod have anti-aliasing? |
| 00:18:00 | scorche` | i believe they do have some sort of dithering effect on the font |
| 00:18:32 | RaiderX | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7037.0 |
| 00:18:57 | scorche` | RaiderX: no need to "advertise" the thread here... |
| 00:19:02 | RaiderX | :( |
| 00:19:12 | RaiderX | comment on my theme pls? |
| 00:19:30 | RaiderX | oh and yes, the apple firmware uses anti-aliasing on the fonts |
| 00:19:33 | JB | I just converted the MyriadPro-Semibold font (the font that the iPod and Apple uses) and it doesn't look the same |
| 00:19:41 | RaiderX | um |
| 00:19:45 | RaiderX | thats not the font it uses |
| 00:19:57 | RaiderX | the font is PodiumSans |
| 00:20:14 | JB | it definitely is the font that they use for their commercials and website |
| 00:20:25 | scorche` | RaiderX: nice, but i am into more information displayed than prettiness ;) |
| 00:20:26 | RaiderX | oh, i thoguth you meant the apple firmware font |
| 00:20:26 | JB | i'll take a look at that font |
| 00:20:52 | RaiderX | i dont need much info displayed on mine, i just need the song, next, progress, thats about it lol |
| 00:21:04 | scorche` | just saying my preferences |
| 00:21:08 | RaiderX | ok |
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| 00:22:34 | JB | Isn't it true that we could save the bitmap from the apple firmwire and convert that into a font? |
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| 00:22:56 | RaiderX | well |
| 00:23:05 | scorche | copyright issues mainly |
| 00:23:06 | RaiderX | you can save the apple firmware font with iPW |
| 00:23:11 | RaiderX | but yes |
| 00:23:17 | RaiderX | you cant exactly release it lgally |
| 00:23:23 | scorche | and the anti-aliasing effect only looks good on white backgroungs |
| 00:23:34 | RaiderX | rockbox has an anti-alising effect? |
| 00:23:40 | RaiderX | o.o |
| 00:23:42 | scorche | no, but the font does |
| 00:23:48 | RaiderX | yea, but rockbox wont show it |
| 00:24:07 | RaiderX | doesnt it just make the font all full pixels? |
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| 00:30:36 | yipe | something is very wrong with my ipod |
| 00:31:24 | yipe | when I plug in the USB connector, it switches to disk mode like it should, but the indicator quickly turns from "Do not disconnect" to "Okay to disconnect" at which point my computer can no longer see my ipod |
| 00:32:22 | yipe | I've tried just restarting it into disk mode and THEN connecting it, but in this case it just says "Okay to disconnect" immediately |
| 00:32:41 | hcs | does it also do that when you start it up in disk mode and then connect it? |
| 00:32:48 | yipe | yes |
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| 00:34:13 | RaiderX | try botting the apple firmware |
| 00:34:16 | RaiderX | *booting |
| 00:34:24 | RaiderX | and plugging in the usb cable |
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| 00:39:48 | preglow | eq is accurate down to 20 hz now |
| 00:39:50 | preglow | wotness |
| 00:40:24 | luckz | heh |
| 00:40:25 | yipe | I ummmm, no longer have the apple firmware :( |
| 00:42:30 | yipe | at least I don't think I do, all the apple stuff that was on the hard drive I deleted after it seemed that rockbox was working well for me and preferable to apple's |
| 00:44:49 | yipe | whoa, it actually is there |
| 00:45:43 | midkay | no way!! |
| 00:46:02 | yipe | but it doesn't work right |
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| 00:47:11 | yipe | like the battery doesn't seem to be charging, and it's not going into that semi-disk mode |
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| 00:49:40 | midkay | semi-disk mode? |
| 00:49:48 | midkay | and how can you tell that the battery is or isn't charging? |
| 00:51:39 | scorche | yipe: if you just want to charge, you can boot into rockbox and hold menu while plugging in the ipod...otherwise, it gives the same effect when charging from the usb port on my dvr |
| 00:52:25 | scorche | then you can see it charge in the battery option in the debug menu |
| 00:55:06 | yipe | I'm not really worried about it charging, I want to put more music on there! |
| 00:56:02 | preglow | freqmod: looks decidedly cleaner now, yes |
| 00:56:06 | preglow | ehh, you're not here |
| 00:56:12 | * | scorche reads above |
| 00:56:33 | yipe | midkay when I was running the original firmware, and I'd plug my ipod in, it would go into disk mode, but it wouldn't reboot, also the splash screen was slicker |
| 00:56:39 | scorche | hrm...are you plugging it into a usb hub? |
| 00:56:42 | yipe | that's what I mean by semi-disk mode |
| 00:57:07 | yipe | and I can tell the battery isn't charging because the battery life icon isn't moving |
| 00:57:20 | yipe | I'm plugging it directly into my computer's USB ports |
| 00:57:41 | * | yipe is ignorant :( |
| 00:57:49 | scorche | multiple ones on the motherboard? |
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| 00:58:07 | yipe | yeah |
| 00:59:20 | scorche | have you tried on a different computer? |
| 00:59:37 | yipe | yes, earlier today at school, it seemed to be working fine |
| 00:59:53 | yipe | but I have to be able to use it on my home computer, that's where my music is, and where I have time to mess with it |
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| 01:00:16 | RaiderX | wow |
| 01:00:30 | RaiderX | i just foudn the usb mode in rockbox o.o |
| 01:00:36 | scorche | of course...it seems to be an issue with your computer...i forget what it is that triggers the okay to disconnect exactly |
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| 01:00:49 | scorche | maybe someone with a bit more apple knowledge can chime in |
| 01:01:19 | preglow | bah, doesn't work in sim |
| 01:01:23 | fiftyfour123 | will HFS+ ipods ever be able to use rockbox? |
| 01:01:33 | RaiderX | HFS? |
| 01:01:34 | scorche | fiftyfour123: most likely not |
| 01:01:41 | fiftyfour123 | why not |
| 01:01:51 | RaiderX | what is HFS+? |
| 01:01:51 | scorche | RaiderX: apple's filesystem |
| 01:01:52 | RaiderX | o |
| 01:01:53 | luckz | just format them with win32? :/ |
| 01:01:54 | RaiderX | k |
| 01:02:00 | luckz | or does that not work? |
| 01:02:08 | luckz | uh |
| 01:02:09 | luckz | fat32. |
| 01:02:10 | luckz | wtf. |
| 01:02:12 | * | luckz slaps self |
| 01:02:13 | scorche | fiftyfour123: recent thread discussing this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6972.0 |
| 01:02:15 | midkay | erm, don't we have Mac OS install instructions too? |
| 01:02:34 | luckz | midkay: you can use a fat32 ipod under mac os just fine |
| 01:02:46 | midkay | ah, never mind. you should reformat it, right.. |
| 01:02:47 | scorche | we do...but people for some odd reason want to have HFS supported |
| 01:02:51 | preglow | freqmod: what's up with the Makefile define about sdl targets? |
| 01:03:03 | fiftyfour123 | FAT32 has really slow speeds on macs, i've tried it, its really slow |
| 01:03:04 | RaiderX | whats the use of having it HFS? |
| 01:03:06 | midkay | it won't happen, i can say that with 98% certainty.. |
| 01:03:08 | RaiderX | oh |
| 01:03:21 | RaiderX | well, you gotta make a sacrifice i guess |
| 01:03:34 | scorche | midkay: that is what i said ;) |
| 01:03:53 | midkay | scorche: well, not exactly, but so? |
| 01:04:05 | scorche | so it wasnt necessary to say again! |
| 01:04:16 | RaiderX | i thinkit was necessary |
| 01:04:17 | luckz | gimme a second |
| 01:04:25 | scorche | RaiderX: no it wasnt! |
| 01:04:25 | RaiderX | its good to have 2 opinions |
| 01:04:27 | midkay | i'd say "not likely" is different than "it's not gonna and i'm near-positive". |
| 01:04:28 | scorche | =P |
| 01:04:55 | scorche | midkay: that is my nice way of saying "i very much doubt it will ever happen" |
| 01:05:08 | midkay | certainly different enough to warrant a mention. nobody in their right mind would spend so much time coding something that's going to be rejected and wasted. |
| 01:05:13 | RaiderX | ok, we established the fact it aint gunna happen, next |
| 01:05:36 | midkay | scorche: you should say what you mean next time instead of using your own little nice way of saying things, we don't know what's you-being-nice and what's truth :) |
| 01:05:57 | scorche | alright...i will then |
| 01:06:12 | midkay | um... okay... yay.. |
| 01:06:19 | scorche | RaiderX: dont try to hush us...arguing is the only way i am able to talk to midkay now |
| 01:06:22 | scorche | =( |
| 01:06:33 | luckz | fiftyfour123: sadly the only mac I have here right now only has usb1, so.. it's not possibly for me to test anything |
| 01:06:49 | RaiderX | "fighting on the internet is liek competing in the special olypics, even if you win, youre still a retard" |
| 01:06:57 | fiftyfour123 | i could test, but i dont know c or anything |
| 01:07:09 | scorche | what is there to test? |
| 01:07:11 | midkay | you're also a retard if you say "youre" and "liek" and "olypics" :) |
| 01:07:16 | RaiderX | LOl |
| 01:07:35 | luckz | what midkay said, actually. |
| 01:07:42 | RaiderX | that not retarded |
| 01:07:50 | RaiderX | thats typign too fast |
| 01:07:53 | midkay | yes, that retarded! :( |
| 01:07:56 | luckz | scorche: there is to test if writing to a FAT32 usb2 rockbox-using DAP via a usb2 mac is slow in any way |
| 01:08:00 | midkay | i said, that retarded. |
| 01:08:06 | RaiderX | "that retarded" lol |
| 01:08:07 | scorche | midkay: that's |
| 01:08:17 | scorche | ah |
| 01:08:27 | midkay | scorche: you mean "raiderx: that's" |
| 01:08:32 | RaiderX | omg... |
| 01:08:36 | RaiderX | no |
| 01:08:38 | RaiderX | you mean |
| 01:08:47 | scorche | midkay: no i dont |
| 01:08:50 | luckz | 01:08:27 < midkay> scorche: you mean "raiderx: that's" <- he indeed does |
| 01:08:51 | RaiderX | "RaiderX: That's retarded" |
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| 01:08:52 | luckz | scorche: stfu |
| 01:08:53 | midkay | if nobody noticed, it was actually me mocking him, not me typing stupidly on purpose.. |
| 01:09:01 | luckz | :p |
| 01:09:03 | midkay | <RaiderX> that not retarded |
| 01:09:06 | midkay | <midkay> yes, that retarded! :( |
| 01:09:08 | RaiderX | .. |
| 01:09:18 | RaiderX | LOL |
| 01:09:25 | midkay | who said it first, and who got called on it? |
| 01:09:35 | luckz | midkay: yes yes you've won, next topic |
| 01:09:38 | scorche | it may have been so, but i dont see why that should stop me from taking the rare opportunity to correct you |
| 01:09:52 | luckz | scorche: ..that he does not need correction, maybe? |
| 01:09:56 | luckz | +should stop you |
| 01:10:06 | RaiderX | r we allowed to link to another server or is thtay looked down upon in here? |
| 01:10:07 | luckz | alternatively -that +because |
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| 01:10:09 | midkay | because it was entirely intentional. it's not a correction if the person means to do it! |
| 01:10:12 | midkay | haha. |
| 01:10:14 | luckz | RaiderX: link to another server how? |
| 01:10:18 | RaiderX | /server -m irc.draelen.co.uk -j #tux |
| 01:10:25 | luckz | and then? |
| 01:10:27 | RaiderX | type that and chat |
| 01:10:27 | midkay | that is indeed frowned upon.. |
| 01:10:28 | scorche | midkay: well, i tried =( |
| 01:10:29 | luckz | .. |
| 01:10:32 | RaiderX | :( |
| 01:10:35 | RaiderX | :( upond me |
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| 01:10:40 | midkay | especially with no reason to go there. why? |
| 01:10:45 | RaiderX | to chat |
| 01:10:50 | luckz | I can't type that, RaiderX - well, my irc client would not understand a fucking bit of it |
| 01:10:51 | RaiderX | lol |
| 01:10:54 | midkay | oh, it's a random network and a random channel. i'm so COMPELLED to visit. |
| 01:10:58 | RaiderX | luckz yes it will |
| 01:11:03 | luckz | .. |
| 01:11:08 | RaiderX | yes, random makes the world go round |
| 01:11:13 | | Part LinusN |
| 01:11:25 | luckz | midkay: I once heard giving up was a sign of strength |
| 01:11:37 | luckz | I'm gonna be very very strong now. |
| 01:11:54 | preglow | what the hell is this? |
| 01:12:10 | preglow | in the newest build, the lower watermark for playback seems to have been raised drastically |
| 01:12:24 | RaiderX | what watermark? |
| 01:12:26 | preglow | anyone else noticed? |
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| 01:12:33 | luckz | watermark, preglow? |
| 01:12:38 | preglow | pcm buffer |
| 01:12:40 | obo | preglow: it seems to go back to it's old level after you play a number of tracks... |
| 01:12:49 | RaiderX | what watermark? |
| 01:12:53 | preglow | playback now boosts all the bloody time |
| 01:13:09 | preglow | RaiderX: pcm buffer level watermark, level at which playback boosts cpu |
| 01:13:28 | RaiderX | ill jsu ignore it since i dunno what ur talkign about.. |
| 01:13:33 | preglow | good idea |
| 01:13:35 | * | RaiderX goes in the corner |
| 01:13:49 | preglow | can't be bothered to explain right now |
| 01:13:52 | preglow | bedtime sneaking up :/ |
| 01:13:52 | RaiderX | lol |
| 01:13:57 | luckz | preglow: I still dont get the point of the word 'boost' there |
| 01:14:06 | luckz | it just seems stupid. |
| 01:14:40 | midkay | cpu boost? |
| 01:14:44 | midkay | stupid how? |
| 01:14:56 | scorche | luckz: it is the term used when the ipod "boosts" the cpu....the processors' speed is variable |
| 01:15:21 | luckz | from a language-related point of view, I don't see how the device.. 'boosts' anything, much less how a watermark, which by definition is a static something, can actively boost anything, etc |
| 01:15:37 | preglow | obo: still at the same watermark.... |
| 01:16:14 | scorche | he wasnt saying it actively boosts anything...just that the point to where it turns up the MHz is lower than before |
| 01:16:14 | luckz | preglow: is that restricted to specific files formats/codecs/bitrates? |
| 01:16:21 | midkay | luckz: the CPU's speed is boosted. the watermark is static and when the PCM buffer gets below that STATIC mark, it *dynamically* boosts the CPU. |
| 01:16:39 | luckz | I know how it works. |
| 01:16:48 | midkay | clearly not. |
| 01:16:52 | midkay | the watermark doesn't move. |
| 01:16:53 | * | luckz shrugs |
| 01:16:55 | luckz | whatever you say. |
| 01:17:00 | luckz | .. |
| 01:17:13 | luckz | I say the watermark does not move. you tell me the watermark does not move. |
| 01:17:34 | luckz | but whatever :) |
| 01:17:47 | midkay | "how a watermark, which by definition is a static something, can actively boost anything" - you're saying it's not static? the watermark is a set level, and once some data gets below that set level, rockbox itself boosts the cpu. |
| 01:18:15 | preglow | bharhgh1"#¤! |
| 01:18:17 | luckz | .. |
| 01:18:21 | preglow | cpu bloody boosts all the time during playback now |
| 01:18:43 | luckz | I say "a watermark is static". then you repeat that for no good reason, and now you can't decide whether you want to claim that I said it's static or that I said it's non-static |
| 01:18:59 | preglow | also, the backlight doesn't switch off |
| 01:19:27 | luckz | doesn't switch off when? just doesn't? doesn't when you manually activate it with method X? |
| 01:19:27 | midkay | it is static, and the way you worded that made it sound like you don't understand HOW it can be static - i'm clarifying that it is in fact static, but ROCKBOX detects the data getting below that set static watermark and boosts accordingly. the watermark "does" nothing. |
| 01:19:38 | preglow | looks to me like rockbox is getting flakier |
| 01:20:09 | midkay | preglow: i've had that backlight won't switch off once in a while.. try going to the backlight setting and then backing out, it should fix it. |
| 01:20:16 | preglow | it did |
| 01:20:23 | preglow | but it's not exactly a good sign... |
| 01:20:38 | midkay | FWIW, i've had it several times before and not at all in the past month or month-and-a-half except once. |
| 01:21:08 | obo | preglow: no, I can't get it to change now either - seems set to approx 400k |
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| 01:23:09 | RaiderX | cya all |
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| 01:23:37 | preglow | seriously, this scheduler prio stuff has to go on ipod |
| 01:23:50 | preglow | gui is unusable when loaded |
| 01:24:55 | preglow | obo: yes, 400k |
| 01:25:00 | preglow | which is about 50% higher than it should be |
| 01:25:16 | obo | didn't it used to be around the 100-150 level? |
| 01:25:18 | preglow | yes |
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| 01:27:36 | Amien | anyone knows why .. if i load some theme with a very background .. the screen has a little flicker in it? |
| 01:28:07 | preglow | that would depend on which player you've got |
| 01:28:24 | Amien | ipod video |
| 01:28:35 | preglow | dunno, then |
| 01:28:46 | preglow | it's not inconceivable, it depends on how the display works, but i don't know |
| 01:29:28 | luckz | what do you mean with a 'very background'? what's the missing adjective? |
| 01:29:47 | * | amiconn didn't find any difference in gui usability with the new scheduler, on all of his targets |
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| 01:31:25 | preglow | you haven't got a colour ipod :> |
| 01:31:28 | luckz | what scheduler is this now? just how cpu time is managed? |
| 01:31:37 | preglow | amiconn: the wheel is what really suffers |
| 01:31:56 | amiconn | The wheel is a pita anyway |
| 01:32:05 | preglow | it's nice enough |
| 01:32:08 | amiconn | Not the handling in rockbox, but the wheel itself |
| 01:32:13 | midkay | i prefer a slow wheel occasionally, to cutting out music. |
| 01:32:18 | preglow | the wheel itself is very nice |
| 01:32:23 | preglow | rockbox handling of it sucks rod |
| 01:32:31 | preglow | just check out how nice it works in retailos |
| 01:32:38 | preglow | you can browse bloody huge lists in a jiffy |
| 01:32:43 | preglow | change volume over a huge range fast and nice |
| 01:32:49 | midkay | we need accelleration. get on it, preglow. |
| 01:32:53 | amiconn | I can't; I've diteched retailos, and even if I didn't I couldn't really use it |
| 01:32:56 | preglow | preglow doesn't do acceleration |
| 01:33:01 | midkay | yes he does!! |
| 01:33:12 | PaulJam | the only thing that annoys me about the scheduler is, that the turning on of the backlight has a noticeable delay with a wps with many graphics |
| 01:33:14 | preglow | you try telling him! |
| 01:33:34 | midkay | preglow: DO ACCELLERATION!!! |
| 01:33:45 | midkay | uh, what? |
| 01:33:46 | amiconn | The wheel might allow to scroll fast, but scrolling _precise_ is almost impossible |
| 01:33:49 | midkay | maybe it's backlight fading? |
| 01:33:56 | preglow | amiconn: no, not really |
| 01:34:08 | preglow | amiconn: you didn't try it anyway, so you wouldn't know |
| 01:34:14 | midkay | turning the backlight on and off shouldn't have any delay at any point, i've never encountered it. |
| 01:34:39 | amiconn | I tried the retailos menus. That was enough |
| 01:34:56 | preglow | amiconn: i'd rather have a fast but imprecise initial scroll and then some fine tuning than waiting for ages to do a long precise scroll |
| 01:35:06 | midkay | no, you'd have to browse a song list of several hundred at least to really see how it works. |
| 01:35:07 | preglow | doing that bloody gives you carpal tunnel syndrome in the end |
| 01:35:25 | amiconn | The fine tuning is what is so difficult with the wheel, and that's why I don't like it |
| 01:35:36 | luckz | are we talking about old wheel or new wheel or what now? |
| 01:35:39 | luckz | what kinda ipod? |
| 01:35:48 | preglow | i had some initial getting used to it, then it worked fine from then on |
| 01:35:53 | preglow | luckz: new, mostly |
| 01:35:54 | amiconn | Either it overshoots the destination with a tiny move of the finger, or it doesn't react at all |
| 01:36:02 | luckz | preglow: does my ipod mini experience count not, then? |
| 01:36:07 | preglow | luckz: yea |
| 01:36:12 | midkay | in retailOS? it might feel that way.. i got used to it quickly though. |
| 01:36:14 | luckz | yes it does or yes it doesn't? :p |
| 01:36:22 | midkay | in rockbox i never seem to overshoot (partially because it goes so slow). |
| 01:36:24 | preglow | luckz: does |
| 01:36:32 | preglow | luckz: as in it counts |
| 01:36:34 | luckz | heh |
| 01:36:42 | amiconn | midkay: In rockbox it overshoots practically all the time for me |
| 01:36:50 | luckz | well, I had a 75/25 reliability rate in retailos with that |
| 01:36:56 | luckz | basically it just seemed to fuck up sometimes |
| 01:36:59 | luckz | for no good reason |
| 01:37:06 | preglow | the wheel handling in rockbox sucks now nayway |
| 01:37:08 | preglow | it sucks badly |
| 01:37:16 | midkay | amiconn: hmm.. maybe it's different on the 5G because of the larger LCD thus slower LCD driver.. dunno. i always have to leave CPU boosted to have the wheel even usable, even then it's quite slow. |
| 01:37:16 | luckz | and it's moderately hard to get where you actually want to be, while it's very easy to get into the general direction |
| 01:37:23 | preglow | and it does so because i coded it |
| 01:37:52 | midkay | preglow: i like it.. i never encounter the wheel locking up except for like one in ten times when i start a song up and it initially has to buffer. |
| 01:38:03 | preglow | the wheel locked up on me ten minutes ago |
| 01:38:19 | preglow | but that's got to be a different bug |
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| 01:39:12 | amiconn | The wheel never locked up for me... but I don't know why, sometimes it simply doesn't react to my finger. I have the same problem with touchpads every now and then, it's not specific to the ipod wheel |
| 01:39:20 | preglow | BARHGG |
| 01:39:24 | amiconn | That's one reason why I don't like those touch things |
| 01:39:24 | preglow | backlight stuck again |
| 01:39:38 | preglow | i hate touchpads |
| 01:39:51 | JB | I love touchpads! |
| 01:40:15 | preglow | devices of the horned one |
| 01:40:26 | preglow | using them makes me angry in an instant |
| 01:41:05 | amiconn | Well, while I don't like touchpads, if I have to choose between a touchpad and a trackpoint, I choose the touchpad |
| 01:41:17 | PaulJam | midkay: with a wps like for example iCatcher it takes 1-2 seconds until the backlight is on after pressing a button. it is worse with a wps with album art. (this is on a h300) |
| 01:41:24 | preglow | amiconn: in an instant |
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| 01:41:31 | preglow | i hate those things even more |
| 01:42:27 | midkay | PaulJam: and it's not a fade? weird... |
| 01:42:44 | JB | PaulJam: What kind of iPod are you using? |
| 01:43:08 | midkay | JB: he said it was on an iriver H300. |
| 01:43:21 | JB | ahh...then nevermind then |
| 01:43:45 | PaulJam | on h300 there is no fading option. and when using the default wpd it comes up faster. |
| 01:45:12 | petur | backlight on is indeed very slow |
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| 01:50:07 | amiconn | petur: Under which conditions? |
| 01:50:20 | * | amiconn can't find any slowness in backlight on |
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| 01:52:20 | godzirra | Blah. |
| 01:52:25 | petur | amiconn: in the recording screen |
| 01:52:33 | amiconn | ah |
| 01:52:45 | amiconn | The screen I don't use normally... |
| 01:52:54 | * | amiconn tries |
| 01:53:54 | amiconn | hmm |
| 01:54:18 | amiconn | Doesn't seem significant to me. |
| 01:54:54 | amiconn | Maybe a bit slower than while playback |
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| 01:55:24 | luckz | (welcome back) |
| 01:56:50 | amiconn | Dunno whether it was always like that, or its due to the scheduler |
| 01:57:12 | amiconn | What's more obvious is that buffering now takes ages on ipod |
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| 01:57:48 | petur | it used to be 'instant-on', I think it's due to scheduler + encoding framework |
| 01:58:12 | petur | (when they took the 's' out of KISS) |
| 01:58:37 | godzirra | Any word on the 5.5g's? |
| 01:58:48 | amiconn | The H300 backlight never was instant-on, looks like there is a small hardware delay, probably not from the backlight itself but from teh LCD start sequence |
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| 02:00:06 | petur | yes, but _that_ delay is not significant |
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| 02:13:13 | preglow | perpleXa: keep it stupid? :> |
| 02:13:20 | preglow | right, petur left |
| 02:13:29 | preglow | perpleXa: forget that |
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| 03:56:27 | compubomb | has there been any new builds for rockbox ? |
| 03:57:23 | compubomb | i'm currently running rockbox-ipodvideo-20060731.zip |
| 03:57:26 | Mikachu | there is a new build every time a change is made |
| 03:57:40 | Mikachu | the last from each day is archived |
| 03:57:52 | Mikachu | in short, yes |
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| 04:00:29 | compubomb | anyone know if working treble / bass has been added to the g5 30gb ? |
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| 04:09:54 | TrueJournals | Hey, anyone have a good way to convert bitmap images to hex (and/or vice-versa)? |
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| 04:15:47 | wibbix | greetings, folks. |
| 04:16:04 | wibbix | Currently dealing with a memory remap issue for the gigabeat... |
| 04:17:43 | wibbix | Trying to do something simple: GPBDAT &= 0x7EF; |
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| 04:18:13 | wibbix | works fine. If I try to do the same after a remap, it appears the GB locks up. |
| 04:18:43 | wibbix | the tlb has the memory range defined (on top of itself). |
| 04:18:58 | wibbix | looking for suggestions on why this is happening. |
| 04:19:39 | wibbix | should also add that I tried without the memory range as well. |
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| 04:34:50 | wibbix | I think I got it. The size of the lookup table appears to have been too small. |
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| 04:49:11 | compubomb | whoa.. the newest update, from aug to most current build is spectacular |
| 04:49:17 | compubomb | my g5 video sounds amazing |
| 04:49:31 | compubomb | aug=auguest |
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| 05:15:08 | funky | 5g and video in -g option of ipod_fw is the same ? |
| 05:16:17 | compubomb | where do i find the themes ? |
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| 05:19:04 | Teknomancer | compubomb which hardware do u have ? |
| 05:24:43 | funky | ./ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin bootloader-video.bin <- is this command correct to generate the boot partition with rockbox bootloader for an ipod video ? |
| 05:25:07 | funky | I got the rockboot.bin, but the help menu was shown after execute it |
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| 05:27:29 | funky | know what I mean? the command seems to have worked ok (just because I got a rocboot.bin), but the help menu was shown after execute it (this hasnt had occurred before, when I extracted the apple and broadcom firmware from the boot partition) |
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| 05:28:33 | funky | I dont want to write this boot partition into the ipod before knowing that it was created correctly |
| 05:30:03 | funky | Generating firmware image compatible with iPod video |
| 05:30:04 | funky | now |
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| 06:19:42 | linolium | hey people! |
| 06:28:14 | Abst | "Hello" |
| 06:28:43 | linolium | does anyone know if it possible to get some sort of exponential scrolling speed in rockbox e.g. through a long list of artists |
| 06:29:05 | Abst | "I don't" |
| 06:29:44 | Abst | "Sorry" |
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| 06:30:51 | linolium | oh, ok |
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| 09:41:06 | petur | damn... SlimDevices is acquired by logitech :( |
| 09:41:38 | Zagor | gosh! |
| 09:41:49 | Bagder | yeah, that can't be good |
| 09:41:58 | Zagor | talk about culture clash |
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| 09:43:20 | petur | the talk in their forum is very critical |
| 09:43:26 | petur | and negative |
| 09:43:52 | Teknomancer | who are SlimDevices ? |
| 09:43:53 | Zagor | I would assume so, yes. they have been a very community-centred company. |
| 09:44:12 | petur | www.slimdevices.com |
| 09:44:18 | Bagder | Teknomancer: you should try this great service called google |
| 09:44:33 | petur | audio streaming for your livingroom |
| 09:45:12 | petur | maybe their bloated perl server will be trimmed in memory usage now |
| 09:45:44 | Zagor | petur: I'd say that's rather the least likely outcome :) |
| 09:46:00 | petur | :p |
| 09:46:05 | Bagder | I would more expect "turned into a windows service" or similar |
| 09:46:29 | Zagor | "support for the open source server has been dropped" <−−- in six months |
| 09:46:39 | Teknomancer | i thought logitech just make mouses |
| 09:46:43 | Teknomancer | mice :) |
| 09:46:45 | Teknomancer | heh |
| 09:46:50 | petur | I wouldn't mind if they wrote it in C/C++ |
| 09:47:12 | Zagor | nah, I'll just wait and see. the squeezebox works so well I don't even look for updates to the server |
| 09:47:23 | Bagder | petur: no, but when windows people do that the code almost never get to run on any non-windows box again |
| 09:47:27 | Zagor | petur: it's a bit on the slow side, ues |
| 09:47:29 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:48:01 | petur | I had to upgrade to 6.5 because of some bugs that annoyed me - running almost fine now |
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| 09:48:23 | Teknomancer | can u record what u receive on squeezebox? |
| 09:49:00 | petur | don't think so, but I only use it to stream my own music |
| 09:49:07 | Zagor | Teknomancer: what would be the point of that? it's a listening device, not a recorder. |
| 09:49:18 | Zagor | it doesn't have any storage |
| 09:49:38 | Teknomancer | Zagor to store what u listen to |
| 09:49:42 | Teknomancer | and play it back whenever u want |
| 09:49:52 | Teknomancer | because u cannot choose what u hear right ? |
| 09:49:53 | Bagder | Teknomancer: then use a program that do that |
| 09:50:01 | Zagor | Teknomancer: of course you can |
| 09:50:10 | Teknomancer | Zagor can u choose whatever song u want to listen? |
| 09:50:16 | Bagder | of course |
| 09:50:24 | Zagor | it's a DAP for your living room |
| 09:50:24 | Teknomancer | err |
| 09:50:32 | petur | Teknomancer: it streams *your own music* |
| 09:50:32 | Teknomancer | i thot its a streaming server |
| 09:50:38 | Teknomancer | oh LOL |
| 09:50:43 | Teknomancer | i thot internet music streamer |
| 09:50:50 | Bagder | it streams whatever |
| 09:50:54 | petur | it can receive those too |
| 09:50:56 | Zagor | you can listen to streams as well |
| 09:51:03 | Teknomancer | can u record internet streams? |
| 09:51:11 | Bagder | Teknomancer: there are lots of programs that can |
| 09:51:11 | Teknomancer | would be a cool way to obtain more music ;) |
| 09:51:12 | Zagor | no, that's not its' purpose |
| 09:51:21 | Zagor | Teknomancer: get streamripper |
| 09:51:28 | Teknomancer | Bagder yah but they're for the PC ... |
| 09:51:33 | Bagder | uh? |
| 09:51:56 | Teknomancer | nevermind |
| 09:51:57 | Bagder | this slimdevices server is for a hosted server too |
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| 09:56:07 | Nimdae | bagder: looks like kermit is behaving |
| 09:56:17 | Bagder | yes it does |
| 09:56:26 | Bagder | looking good |
| 09:56:42 | Bagder | we're below 6 minutes again |
| 09:56:46 | Nimdae | heh |
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| 09:57:57 | petur | to toooo to to to... mahna mahna to toooo to to to... :) still in my head.... |
| 09:58:33 | Mikachu | i had the original mpg of that somewhere, but i must have burned it |
| 09:58:33 | scorche | heh....you got it back in mine |
| 09:58:42 | petur | sorry |
| 09:58:48 | scorche | i dont mind =) |
| 09:59:01 | scorche | if i get bored, i can always open up my swedish chef folder |
| 09:59:22 | LinusN | petur: it's time to put on makeup, it's time to dress up right... |
| 09:59:43 | petur | lol |
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| 10:00:00 | Mikachu | LinusN: i happened to notice a patch in the tracker where you commented you could commit it right away, it's from about a month ago :) |
| 10:00:03 | petur | it's the rockbox show |
| 10:00:12 | LinusN | Mikachu: which one? |
| 10:00:32 | Mikachu | 6052 |
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| 10:01:25 | LinusN | ah, that one |
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| 10:03:21 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/lang-features.patch |
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| 10:17:05 | LinusN | Bagder: ok, so how does features.txt look like? |
| 10:17:26 | Bagder | #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING |
| 10:17:29 | Bagder | recording |
| 10:17:30 | Bagder | #endif |
| 10:17:47 | Bagder | and so on |
| 10:18:11 | Bagder | then you can do strings in the lang file like this: |
| 10:18:20 | Bagder | recording: "oooh now we record" |
| 10:18:22 | Bagder | *: "" |
| 10:19:45 | Bagder | feature-oriented instead of target-oriented |
| 10:19:52 | Bagder | or rather in addition to |
| 10:22:40 | * | dan_a is dead proud |
| 10:22:59 | dan_a | Searching for my name on LWN gives a result! |
| 10:23:50 | LinusN | 3 results for "Feltzing" :-) |
| 10:24:48 | Bagder | dan_a: you're welcome! ;-P |
| 10:25:21 | * | LinusN is debugging the last.fm patch |
| 10:25:54 | dan_a | There's (another) big piece singing the praises of Rockbox in this week's news |
| 10:26:20 | obo | LinusN: it's that broken? |
| 10:26:48 | LinusN | it's not always saving the first played song |
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| 10:27:53 | obo | ah, yes, I had a dig around playback.c awhile ago, but didn't manage to fix it |
| 10:28:07 | obo | FS=5495 |
| 10:28:45 | Bagder | dan_a: URL? |
| 10:29:32 | dan_a | Bagder: http://lwn.net/Articles/204130/ (but it's subscriber-only at the moment) |
| 10:30:53 | dpro | dan_a: I just joined what would it say there if I was subscribed ? |
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| 10:32:12 | dan_a | It's the front page of this week's LWN, with a fairly big piece about how upgrading firmware can take away features of your DAP, and how Rockbox is great |
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| 10:33:52 | Mikachu | the zen -fm recording thing? |
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| 10:34:46 | dpro | dan_a: ah ok, but we know that already ;) |
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| 10:43:37 | amiconn | pondlife: Keeping the sleep(1) in your commit would have been better |
| 10:44:01 | pondlife | Why? |
| 10:44:16 | amiconn | The progress bar surely doesn't need several hundreds of updates per second, and we do want to save battery, right? |
| 10:44:20 | pondlife | OK |
| 10:44:31 | amiconn | I mean in place of the yield(9 |
| 10:44:37 | amiconn | *yield() |
| 10:45:15 | pondlife | Yep. Why not sleep elsewhere rather than yield()..? |
| 10:45:46 | LinusN | because you don't want to sleep? |
| 10:45:52 | amiconn | When a thread can make sure that it doesn't need to run for a while, it should always sleep instead of yield |
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| 10:46:29 | amiconn | The 'while' can only be selected in ticks |
| 10:46:41 | pondlife | ticks are not ms then... |
| 10:46:49 | * | pondlife learns more every day |
| 10:47:38 | Bagder | a tick is (1000/HZ) ms |
| 10:47:39 | amiconn | No, ticks happen HZ times per second, with HZ == 100 since I don't know when |
| 10:48:36 | pondlife | I think I may have made the same mistake in the past too. I'll check... |
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| 10:57:07 | pondlife | Nope, just the once. Now fixed. Thanks for the heads up. |
| 10:57:43 | Bagder | commit mails are a good thing |
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| 11:05:52 | Bagder | funny how slimdevices actually makes money and goes for 20MUSD while youtube makes no money and goes for 1650 MUSB |
| 11:06:36 | * | dan_a whistles the dot com crash theme tune |
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| 11:11:54 | LinusN | playback.c ninjas: what exactly is the argument to the track_changed callback? is it the metadata of the track that was skipped, or the track that will play next? |
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| 11:14:54 | pondlife | LinusN: Sorry, I don't know |
| 11:15:12 | LinusN | i believe it is the upcoming track |
| 11:15:18 | LinusN | makes sense after all |
| 11:16:10 | pondlife | audio_check_new_track() actually increments track_ridx, hence updating CUR_TI... |
| 11:16:34 | pondlife | So as long as Q_AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED happens after Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK you are right. |
| 11:17:12 | pondlife | Yep. You're right |
| 11:17:53 | LinusN | i think i found the first-track scrobbler bug |
| 11:18:06 | pondlife | No callback... |
| 11:18:16 | LinusN | no, not that |
| 11:19:10 | LinusN | but there is another related bug, that audio_preinit() is called after USB mode, and that does clear the callback |
| 11:19:24 | LinusN | nasty |
| 11:19:43 | pondlife | Hmm, audio_preiinit() should be a one-off. |
| 11:20:00 | LinusN | hmmm, wait a sec |
| 11:21:18 | LinusN | i was wrong |
| 11:21:22 | pondlife | Would it be potentially possible to have USB and playback at the same time? I would think that desirable. |
| 11:22:02 | pondlife | Obviously there's a can of worms there, but USB code shouldn't be impacting on playback code as much as it does. |
| 11:22:17 | LinusN | well, if the playback doesn't use the hdd |
| 11:22:39 | LinusN | *dang* - fixed it |
| 11:22:54 | pondlife | Ah, so not possible to have USB contolled-HDD accessible from Rockbox. |
| 11:23:23 | * | pondlife can't type properly until lunchtime. |
| 11:23:37 | Bagder | me neither, nor after lunchtime |
| 11:23:47 | pondlife | lol |
| 11:23:55 | LinusN | it's either rockbox or the USB chip that has access to the hdd |
| 11:24:07 | pondlife | OK, I wasn't sure if that was an Archos-only thing. |
| 11:24:37 | pondlife | I always suspect anything I read in the wiki as being potentially Archos-centric. |
| 11:24:49 | Slasheri | pondlife: well, the player could fill up the playback buffer before enabling usb mode and then continue playback until the buffer is empty :) |
| 11:25:12 | pondlife | True. Then stop through starvation. |
| 11:25:25 | Slasheri | it would allow to load more songs to the player without interrupting playback |
| 11:25:35 | pondlife | Either way, calling audio_preinit() again seems a bad idea. |
| 11:25:47 | pondlife | I wonder what it needs to initialise? |
| 11:25:47 | Slasheri | hmm, that is called? |
| 11:25:53 | Slasheri | that should not be done |
| 11:26:13 | Slasheri | it is then very wrong indeed.. |
| 11:26:23 | pondlife | Slasheri: Did you see that apparently the white noise happens in the sim, but only if logf is disabled! |
| 11:26:23 | Slasheri | that may have caused usb mode to lock down player |
| 11:26:34 | Slasheri | hmm, weird |
| 11:26:40 | pondlife | I'm currently running a non-logf build to see if I can repro. |
| 11:26:50 | pondlife | So very much looks like a race condition. |
| 11:26:53 | pondlife | :( |
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| 11:27:48 | obo | is the increase in the pcm watermark (to about 400k) intentional? |
| 11:29:08 | pondlife | Not as far as I know. lostlogic? |
| 11:29:31 | pondlife | obo: Any idea roughly when this changed? |
| 11:30:09 | obo | I think I first noticed it about a week ago, when testing the COP patch |
| 11:31:04 | petur | wow... got a mail back from the author of the isp1362 usb sample code. License is ok, he had a look at rockbox and he feels proud his code can/will be used there. He says I can mail him if I need help ;) |
| 11:31:15 | LinusN | cool |
| 11:31:44 | LinusN | ok, anyone against committing the last.fm patch? |
| 11:31:58 | petur | not at all |
| 11:31:59 | pondlife | Nope |
| 11:32:42 | LinusN | okidoki, fasten your seat belts |
| 11:32:44 | scorche | LinusN: curious, how much does it add to rombox? |
| 11:32:52 | LinusN | scorche: a LOT!!!! ;-) |
| 11:32:56 | scorche | hehe |
| 11:32:59 | petur | amiconn changed nick? |
| 11:33:00 | scorche | seriously! |
| 11:33:07 | scorche | pfft! |
| 11:33:12 | LinusN | scorche: i don't really know, a few hundred bytes i guess |
| 11:33:18 | * | pondlife watches helplessly as amiconn weeps |
| 11:33:43 | scorche | alright...i am not as scared as he is ;) |
| 11:34:00 | scorche | goodbye tagcache, and hello rombox and plenty of space! |
| 11:34:16 | LinusN | i think we are beyond optimizing to reduce the rombox footprint |
| 11:34:17 | scorche | (sorry Slasheri) |
| 11:34:38 | LinusN | removing features is the only way to go imho |
| 11:35:04 | scorche | i might have to start an unofficial build for rombox |
| 11:35:42 | scorche | or even just a patch |
| 11:36:17 | LinusN | there is one file that can be cleaned up/optimized, and that is bookmark.c |
| 11:36:31 | scorche | but yes, i am of the same feeling as you LinusN largely |
| 11:36:55 | * | scorche drags "largely" to the correct place |
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| 11:39:06 | * | scorche gets back to being lazy and watching episodes of the outer limits |
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| 11:48:30 | luckz | btw, was there every anything about .cue support? |
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| 11:49:03 | LinusN | luckz: well, it's a bitch to implement and we have yet to see a strong argument for it |
| 11:49:15 | JdGordon | or an easy way to implement it |
| 11:50:07 | luckz | software players seem to manage it. |
| 11:50:15 | luckz | foobar does it natively, winamp does it with a plugin |
| 11:50:23 | LinusN | luckz: what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 11:50:34 | luckz | well, "I'd like to play the music on my pc on my X5" |
| 11:50:50 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: the only strong argument for it would be, many users would like to have it (I personally don't btw) |
| 11:51:00 | luckz | for things like trance mixes or mixtapes or whatever, it's useful to do .cue things for extreme gaplessness and whatnot |
| 11:51:01 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: exactly |
| 11:51:31 | LinusN | the thing is that it is tricky to implement in rockbox |
| 11:51:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | luckz: How is "extreme gaplessness" any more gapless than "wholly gapless"? |
| 11:51:50 | scorche | either it is gapless or it is not |
| 11:51:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | You can't have any more "no gaps" than "no gaps" |
| 11:51:57 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: lol |
| 11:52:10 | LinusN | extremely impossible |
| 11:52:56 | Genre9mp3 | please... don't mind the gapless gap! :P |
| 11:53:33 | LinusN | .cue support, and multistream containers is tricky to implement because of the "one file one track" nature of rockbox |
| 11:53:44 | luckz | I sadly right now don't remember whether my rockbox machine ever did any form of gapless or whether there are audible pauses. |
| 11:54:02 | markun | luckz: I use this tool to split files with a cue sheet: http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net/mp3splt_page/home.php |
| 11:54:02 | luckz | one file one track also basically tends to be the case in foobar, yet .cue/multistream *playback* works perfectly there |
| 11:54:32 | luckz | markun: thanks, is that 'lossless'? |
| 11:54:38 | Genre9mp3 | mp3directcut also can split files using cue sheets |
| 11:54:39 | markun | of course |
| 11:54:55 | luckz | wasn't there something about lossless mp3 splitting being problematic/hard to do/impossible? |
| 11:55:05 | LinusN | luckz: no |
| 11:55:17 | LinusN | splitting is totally seamless |
| 11:55:35 | luckz | I thought I read something along those lines in #foobar2000, but I might of course be mixing things up |
| 11:55:38 | * | Genre9mp3 also wonders how tagcache would work with cue sheets |
| 11:55:39 | scorche | so first, extremely gapless, and now lossless mp3 =) |
| 11:55:42 | markun | the only thing is that is splits on a frame boundary which may not be exactly the same as the original track |
| 11:55:53 | dpro | luckz: it only get's problematic if you do mp3->wave..cutting..wave->mp3 |
| 11:56:03 | luckz | of course, dpro |
| 11:56:34 | LinusN | there are a few ways of implementing multistream in rockbox |
| 11:56:37 | luckz | do I want Mp3splt or Mp3splt-gtk? |
| 11:56:48 | obo | LinusN: thank you for the commit |
| 11:56:55 | LinusN | 1) treat the container as one large track with index points |
| 11:57:14 | LinusN | 2) treat each part of the container as a single track |
| 11:57:30 | LinusN | 1) is probably the simplest, but has lots of limitations |
| 11:57:38 | obo | LinusN: in apps/scrobbler.c, line 55, is it possible to automagically insert the revision of the file? (ie currently 1.1) |
| 11:57:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | My vote's always been for #1 anyway. |
| 11:58:06 | luckz | I think MPC does the first of those for mp4 nultistream things |
| 11:58:13 | dpro | luckz: that depends if you need a gui or not, but probably you want -gtk |
| 11:58:21 | luckz | oké |
| 11:58:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | A limited implementation is better than none, and I think most people who want to use a .cue want it to play sequentially anyway |
| 11:58:55 | luckz | mhm, I'd like a .cue for the ability to have both sequent. and non-seq. playback |
| 11:59:31 | markun | can't you do that with files anyway? |
| 11:59:41 | luckz | with mp3split ones, yes |
| 11:59:47 | * | Genre9mp3 never seen a multistream audio file |
| 11:59:51 | luckz | Genre9mp3: want a few? |
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| 12:00:01 | luckz | luckz.de/files/music/">http://luckz.de/files/music/ |
| 12:00:35 | LinusN | obo: i wonder if we can do like this: |
| 12:00:38 | LinusN | #define SCROBBLER_VERSION "$Revision$" |
| 12:00:47 | Genre9mp3 | luckz: interesting... I guess foobar support these files, right? |
| 12:00:58 | LinusN | it will still contain the $ chars though |
| 12:01:10 | Genre9mp3 | luckz: btw I love the Amon Amarth one! ;) |
| 12:01:34 | luckz | Genre9mp3: WMP treats them as single song; MPC treats them as single song with subsongs; foobar treats them as lots of songs, depending on how many the album has |
| 12:01:57 | luckz | I should add the bonus disc for that amon amarth thing :p |
| 12:01:57 | obo | LinusN: I wasn't entirely sure what $Revision$ returned, so I didn't put that into the file... but if that will do the job :) |
| 12:02:23 | obo | LinusN: It's just so that the last.fm guys will be able to track down any issues and point to a specific version |
| 12:02:35 | LinusN | well, or we change it manually when we introduce an incompatibility |
| 12:02:48 | preglow | if you try to do a left/right nudge on the pitch screen when at the top/bottom of the pitch scale, the behaviour currently bugs. what would be the preffered way to handle this? ignore nudge at the top/bottom part of the scale, or cap the nudge? |
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| 12:03:09 | luckz | knowing the last.fm people a bit, what obo says makes major sense/seems very wantable |
| 12:03:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: "cap" the nudge? |
| 12:03:37 | LinusN | luckz: ok |
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| 12:03:43 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: well, yeah, if you're at 199%, the nudge should be 1% up to 200% |
| 12:04:10 | preglow | instead of 2% |
| 12:05:02 | LinusN | obo: the 1.0 is the version of the file format specification |
| 12:05:07 | LinusN | "Where 1.0 is the version for this file format (there may be revisions to the format later)" |
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| 12:05:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: Is there an easy way to ensure you can always get back to 100%? |
| 12:05:48 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: reset the pitch? i think so |
| 12:06:08 | obo | LinusN: it's the "#CLIENT/<IDENTIFICATION STRING>", 3rd line of the header |
| 12:06:09 | LinusN | obo: ah, there are two |
| 12:06:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: I'd be all for capping as long as it doesn't shift you so that when trying to land on 100 you always land on 101 or 99 |
| 12:06:34 | obo | LinusN: yes, I added the third to the spec after speaking to the last.fm folks a few months ago |
| 12:06:44 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: it really should be just like it is now, except for non-buggy handling of the very upper/lower pitches |
| 12:07:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: I don't use it, so I don't know how it is now. :) |
| 12:07:11 | Genre9mp3 | luckz: It handles it as a single file... and actually it's like Oggpreview |
| 12:07:48 | luckz | preglow/Paul: isn't it possible to just have some silly reset key to get back to 100%? |
| 12:07:52 | preglow | btw, does anyone know when the low pcm buffer watermar got effectively shifted almost to the top of the buffer? |
| 12:07:56 | preglow | luckz: there is one, afaik |
| 12:08:55 | Genre9mp3 | luckz: I was talking about multistream tracks (where you can switch to alternative versions during playback) not tracks one after the other |
| 12:09:27 | luckz | ah, like how a video file with multiple audio tracks works? |
| 12:09:56 | Genre9mp3 | luckz: yes |
| 12:10:02 | luckz | what's the practical use of that, what is it used for, which programs/encoders/.. support it? |
| 12:10:08 | luckz | having an audio book in multiple languages or so? |
| 12:10:30 | luckz | a track as acapella, instrumental and normal version in one file? :p |
| 12:10:53 | Genre9mp3 | A use I can imagine would be (listen to only vocals/ only guitar, etc.) But as I said I've never seen such files |
| 12:11:16 | markun | karaoke! :) |
| 12:11:45 | Genre9mp3 | and I don't know if they even exist.... It's just how I understood the word "multistream" when Linus mentioned it |
| 12:12:06 | luckz | Linus, some clarification on that? :p |
| 12:13:01 | LinusN | well, someone spoke about .ogg being able to contain several tracks |
| 12:13:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Some sort of proper functionality with multiple streams per file would be neat though, since we've now to at least 2 formats in Rockbox, and one in the tracker, that can have more than one song in a single file. |
| 12:13:07 | scorche | well, formats like mkv use it a lot for video streams....separate streams for video and/or audio |
| 12:13:45 | luckz | mhm. |
| 12:13:51 | luckz | feature request: watching mkv movies :p |
| 12:13:54 | luckz | sorry. |
| 12:14:22 | Genre9mp3 | An example I know of is Metallica's S&M DVD, where you could either listen to the band only, the orchestra only or both |
| 12:14:28 | luckz | and yes, I'm fully aware that a mkv file is but a container and can contain just about every kind of content. |
| 12:14:31 | luckz | mhm |
| 12:14:43 | luckz | how does that sound, on a somewhat unrelated note? |
| 12:14:45 | scorche | in mkv, it is mostly just for different languages |
| 12:14:50 | luckz | the orchestra only, playing metallica |
| 12:15:15 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Which formats are in Rockbox that support multistream? |
| 12:15:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Ogg/Vorbis, and SID |
| 12:15:56 | Genre9mp3 | luckz: To tell you the truth.. I didn't like S&M at all! :) |
| 12:15:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | At the very least. |
| 12:16:41 | preglow | pondlife: any ideas? |
| 12:16:51 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how he could create a multistream Ogg |
| 12:17:02 | * | Genre9mp3 googles |
| 12:17:13 | markun | Genre9mp3: cat file1.ogg file2.ogg > file3.ogg |
| 12:17:58 | Genre9mp3 | markun: eh? |
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| 12:18:25 | pondlife | preglow: Sorry, been away - ideas about what? |
| 12:18:39 | Genre9mp3 | markun: where do I do this? |
| 12:18:51 | aliask | Genre9mp3: Linux only |
| 12:19:07 | markun | aliask: FreeBSD works also :) |
| 12:19:12 | aliask | Well... unix. |
| 12:19:13 | Genre9mp3 | Windows user here :/ |
| 12:19:21 | markun | cygwin? |
| 12:19:27 | scorche | cygwin and vmware should do it as well |
| 12:19:33 | aliask | Is BSD unix? |
| 12:19:44 | scorche | aliask: variant |
| 12:19:46 | markun | Genre9mp3: but this will be sequential multistream.. |
| 12:20:29 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I would be interested in a "parallel" multistream |
| 12:20:37 | Genre9mp3 | Does ogg support such thing? |
| 12:21:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, the Ogg container should since it allows for multiple audio tracks with a video, right? |
| 12:21:31 | scorche | yes |
| 12:22:05 | Genre9mp3 | yes... the ogg container should... but maybe it expects a video stream as well? |
| 12:22:08 | markun | with matroska you can use mkvmerge to do this. Don't know what the name of the Ogg tool is.. |
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| 12:23:45 | Bagder | mr secret in that tracker entry |
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| 12:24:33 | dan_a | That's one way to make sure you can't be Googled for! |
| 12:24:56 | Genre9mp3 | Yes... it supports it: http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/oggstream.html |
| 12:25:02 | aliask | o_o |
| 12:25:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Mr Secret? |
| 12:25:13 | Genre9mp3 | sequential multiplexing/concurrent multiplexing |
| 12:25:18 | Bagder | the guy posting his name as a URL to a temporary image showing it |
| 12:25:23 | preglow | pondlife: the pcm buffer watermark level seems to have gone drastically up |
| 12:25:31 | preglow | argh |
| 12:26:06 | Bagder | I guess daurn has a friend there ;-) |
| 12:26:38 | preglow | haahahha |
| 12:27:02 | preglow | if you're _that_ afraid of being googled, you should just not use the net |
| 12:27:33 | LinusN | i get the feeling that his name won't end up in the CREDITS file |
| 12:28:04 | * | LinusN resists the urge to write his name here so it ends up in the IRC log |
| 12:28:19 | Bagder | hehe |
| 12:28:32 | scorche | Genre9mp3: yes...like i said...it does...sorry for being so brief...getting ready for bed =) |
| 12:28:49 | scorche | not sure if theora can or not |
| 12:29:05 | scorche | but a google for ogg muxer should turn up a probram or 2 |
| 12:29:20 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: sure... thanx ;) |
| 12:29:23 | scorche | s/probram/program |
| 12:30:49 | preglow | LinusN: boosting more often than necessary _would_ eat more battery despite total boost time probably staying more or less the same, yes? |
| 12:31:58 | LinusN | i don't think so, but you lose a few milliseconds of busy wait for every PLL change |
| 12:32:18 | LinusN | so you end up wasting cpu cycles waiting for the pll to lock |
| 12:32:29 | preglow | true, i guess |
| 12:32:38 | preglow | pcm watermark seems to have gone up drastically for some reason |
| 12:32:47 | preglow | and i find myself suspecting slasheri's scheduler unboost |
| 12:33:05 | LinusN | he's a popular scape goat nowadays :-) |
| 12:33:18 | preglow | can't think of any other likely culprits |
| 12:33:28 | Bagder | a good scape goat is a must for a project like ours |
| 12:35:20 | tucoz | Bagder, what do you think about adding a Archos, Ipod,... group to the target list in flyspray? |
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| 12:37:07 | scorche | Genre9mp3: just to clear one other thing up in case you got confused, when i say ogg, i mean ogg and not ogg vorbis ;) |
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| 12:38:51 | pondlife | preglow: Sorry, no idea about the watermark level. |
| 12:39:17 | pondlife | Also, I still can't repro the white noise, in a sim with no logf. |
| 12:39:32 | dan_a | preglow: The PCM watermark changed from NATIVE_FREQUENCY * 6 to NATIVE_FREQUENCY * 8 in v1.61 of pcmbuf.c |
| 12:40:08 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: don't worry, I know the difference between ogg and vorbis |
| 12:40:44 | scorche | alright...just making sure, as i typically assume many things when i talk, and it gets people confused/on the wrong track |
| 12:41:51 | Genre9mp3 | btw... I just downloaded OggMux... I'll try to play with it and see what I can result |
| 12:43:39 | scorche | heh...dont have to worry if it supports it by the name at least...have fun |
| 12:46:16 | preglow | dan_a: doesn't sound like enough, though |
| 12:47:28 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:47:40 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... As I thought... OggMux expects a video stream, too |
| 12:48:04 | Genre9mp3 | not to mention that it tries output to .ogm |
| 12:48:12 | Genre9mp3 | ^to output |
| 12:48:34 | dan_a | preglow: Back in April it was NATIVE_FREQUENCY * 4, so it's been creeping up. |
| 12:48:39 | scorche | "Just select the directory and modify the filename as you like. ".ogm" is added automatically if you don't specify another suffix for the file. " |
| 12:48:52 | preglow | dan_a: apparently, and it used to work fine at a low level, so i wonder what's up |
| 12:49:40 | tucoz | what word should I use for "." character? Full stop, dot, ..? |
| 12:50:02 | Genre9mp3 | I get always confused with the ogg/ogm thing |
| 12:50:21 | preglow | tucoz: depends on the context, i guess |
| 12:51:09 | tucoz | yes. the context is what the . in front of files and directories in *NIX should be called. |
| 12:51:22 | tucoz | that is, files/folders hidden by rockbox |
| 12:51:27 | preglow | then i'd call it "dot" |
| 12:51:35 | preglow | or period, perhaps |
| 12:51:43 | tucoz | files starting with a "." (period) ... |
| 12:51:44 | preglow | but i'd use dot in that context |
| 12:52:03 | tucoz | hmm. period sounds better than dot |
| 12:52:04 | pondlife | I much prefer dot |
| 12:52:06 | preglow | i think that's what they're called anyway |
| 12:52:08 | tucoz | ok |
| 12:52:17 | tucoz | thanks. a dot it is then :) |
| 12:52:23 | aliask | Period is american english anyway. |
| 12:52:34 | tucoz | aha |
| 12:52:44 | pondlife | Period isn't used much in English english. Not to mean that anyway. |
| 12:52:50 | preglow | is that so |
| 12:52:55 | preglow | then by all means, dot |
| 12:52:56 | preglow | heh |
| 12:53:10 | pondlife | "Dot" at the start. "Full stop" at the end. |
| 12:53:26 | aliask | And "point" when indicating a decimal place. |
| 12:53:31 | pondlife | E.g "This must be resolved right now, full stop." |
| 12:53:39 | pondlife | Yes |
| 12:53:56 | tucoz | pondlife: filename- full stop- mp3? |
| 12:54:01 | pondlife | dot |
| 12:54:01 | tucoz | or filename dot mp3? |
| 12:54:19 | tucoz | i get it |
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| 13:24:29 | pondlife | Hmm, is it ,me or is SWCODEC A-B repeat completely broken? |
| 13:25:10 | tucoz | pondlife, ipod? |
| 13:25:15 | pondlife | H300 sim |
| 13:25:37 | pondlife | The repeated section bears no relationship to the progress bar, at least |
| 13:25:45 | tucoz | ok. I am not sure, but it is impossible to use A-B on ipods. Still, the option is there in the menu. |
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| 13:26:47 | pondlife | And I just crashed the sim... |
| 13:30:22 | didj | dont suppose you know if the H300 can detect the stock (non-lcd) remote being plugged in? the ADC_REMOTE variables dont seem to change unless a button is pushed.. |
| 13:33:04 | pondlife | Anyone know the status of the iPod CPU freq scaling patch? It does seem to be beneficial according to the reports on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095. |
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| 13:33:39 | LinusN | didj: the non-lcd remote should work fine |
| 13:34:19 | didj | ya, works fine, but is there a way to detect presence ? |
| 13:34:46 | didj | (want to be able to change settings based on presence of a remote) |
| 13:35:08 | preglow | LinusN: and a surprise from mister hidden-name |
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| 13:36:05 | Slasheri | hmm, i need to get a player with a rtc to add rtc functionality to tagcache.. for example browse all tracks played 7 days ago etc. :) |
| 13:36:20 | preglow | Slasheri: get a nano! |
| 13:36:20 | tucoz | pondlife, unless i do something wrong, A-B is broken for me on h120 as well |
| 13:36:21 | LinusN | preglow: i am actually a little surprised |
| 13:36:34 | Slasheri | preglow: that would probably do it :) |
| 13:36:34 | preglow | me too |
| 13:36:50 | Slasheri | preglow: and then i could debug that scrollwheel and scheduler also |
| 13:36:52 | preglow | Slasheri: anywho, why has the pcm buffer watermark been raised so drastically? |
| 13:37:21 | Slasheri | preglow: not sure if it has been raised once again, but it should improve ui response on ipods |
| 13:37:41 | preglow | because the cpu is boosted more frequently? |
| 13:37:47 | tucoz | pondlife, I press play+left and play+right to set the markers |
| 13:37:49 | preglow | it hasn't been raised since you did so last |
| 13:37:51 | tucoz | but nothing happens |
| 13:37:58 | preglow | Slasheri: anyway, wouldn't it be wise to just raise it on ipods? |
| 13:38:14 | Slasheri | preglow: buffer is kept full, so scheduler doesn't immediately change priorities when using ui |
| 13:38:15 | barrywardell | pondlife: the cpufreq patch works well in testing on the H10 anyway |
| 13:38:24 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, probably |
| 13:38:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | It seems silly to use the PCM buffer as a means of boosting the CPU for UI responsiveness. |
| 13:38:28 | preglow | h120, for example, has never had any trouble in that regard |
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| 13:38:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | I mean, if you wanted a responsive UI you would've just left it permanently boosted, right? |
| 13:38:53 | Slasheri | preglow: and all raising by me has been made by a guess because i don't have a real target to test |
| 13:39:00 | pondlife | I'm just hoping that some of the iPod playback bugs will magically go away when the CPU freq patch is committed... |
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| 13:39:24 | dan_a | Paul_the_Nerd: Or maybe raise the normal speed |
| 13:39:52 | preglow | the wheel is still a bitch to use anyway |
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| 13:40:59 | pondlife | What's the main downside of the higher watermark? Boosting too often? |
| 13:41:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | dan_a: I imagine once dual core support is working properly some elbow room for improving the UI responsiveness during playback will show up anyway. |
| 13:41:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hey, could the scheduler be what's causing it to not run any faster with two cores? Is it involved at all? |
| 13:42:10 | preglow | would anyone know why pitch_screen_draw is called for nudge on but not nudge off in the pitch screen? |
| 13:42:31 | preglow | pondlife: wasting more time waiting for pll relock |
| 13:42:58 | Slasheri | Paul_the_Nerd: might be, i haven't check the dual core implementation |
| 13:43:03 | Slasheri | +ed |
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| 13:43:21 | dan_a | I don't think the scheduler should be involved. What happens is that instead of having one list of threads, we have two, one for each core |
| 13:44:35 | dan_a | And I *think* there ought to be a separate scheduler running on each core |
| 13:45:39 | dan_a | But I did all this work before Slasheri made his changes, so things might work differently now. I haven't spotted anything that would cause a problem, though. |
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| 13:47:20 | LinusN | obo: care to write a few lines about last.fm logging in the manual? |
| 13:47:49 | pondlife | LinusN: You mentioned earlier a fix regarding the track callback. Does this resolve http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5495 ? |
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| 13:48:04 | obo | LinusN: I'll see if I can come up with something suitable |
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| 13:49:48 | LinusN | pondlife: i haven't found a playback.c bug, but i did find a bug in the scrobbler code that didn't save the first entry in the log |
| 13:50:06 | LinusN | so there might still be a playback bug |
| 13:50:15 | pondlife | OK |
| 13:50:36 | pondlife | I'm looking for something to take my mind off white noise. |
| 13:50:38 | LinusN | now we need a cgi for submitting logs to last.fm |
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| 13:51:06 | LinusN | pondlife: are you on windows or linux? |
| 13:51:15 | * | Genre9mp3 found an interesting multistream ogg file |
| 13:51:21 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.nospermzone.de/downloads/german.ogg |
| 13:51:21 | pondlife | Cygwin |
| 13:51:44 | Genre9mp3 | So there must be a way that you can create such a file |
| 13:51:49 | pondlife | Anyone know what PaulJam runs? |
| 13:51:53 | LinusN | pondlife: you can always dig into the SDL startup code to enable stdout/stderr on the console |
| 13:52:17 | preglow | that's not hard |
| 13:52:20 | pondlife | Why would tthat help? |
| 13:52:23 | preglow | just build the program as a console app |
| 13:52:31 | preglow | -mconsole |
| 13:52:52 | preglow | would anyone take it amiss if my code assumes nudge left/right can never happen at once? :> |
| 13:53:05 | pondlife | I quite like the UI thanks! |
| 13:53:31 | preglow | ui's still there |
| 13:53:53 | pondlife | I'm very confused. Why should I want a console app? |
| 13:54:23 | preglow | wouldn't know, just read what linusn said :> |
| 13:54:37 | pondlife | Ah, LinusN..? Help my poor brain... |
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| 13:54:48 | LinusN | the DEBUGF output on stderr |
| 13:54:51 | * | amiconn spots another of those esoteric features in cvs :/ |
| 13:55:18 | * | obo was waiting for amiconn to notice :/ |
| 13:55:39 | * | pondlife hides behind a rock |
| 13:55:53 | pondlife | :/ |
| 13:56:02 | LinusN | preglow: http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-February/042152.html |
| 13:56:51 | amiconn | Imho it's strange enough that people need a database for tracking what they're listening to... |
| 13:56:52 | preglow | LinusN: if you compile with -mconsole WinMain isn't used so redirection never happens |
| 13:57:22 | amiconn | ...and now even putting that info on an external database??? |
| 13:57:39 | tucoz | obo, is the scrobbler logging described in the wiki? |
| 13:57:44 | LinusN | preglow: that means recompiling sdl, right? |
| 13:57:45 | * | preglow pats different usage patterns on the head |
| 13:57:48 | preglow | LinusN: nope |
| 13:57:49 | obo | amiconn: the suggestion features are quite handy... |
| 13:57:53 | preglow | LinusN: just don't link in libsdlmain |
| 13:58:07 | obo | tucoz: not on the rb wiki |
| 13:58:10 | LinusN | preglow: care to submit a patch? |
| 13:58:26 | tucoz | obo, do you have a link to a description? |
| 13:58:28 | preglow | LinusN: perhaps, i'd just need to fix my laptop windows installation first |
| 13:58:43 | preglow | i don't really use windows anymore these days |
| 13:59:01 | amiconn | obo: What suggestion features? |
| 13:59:05 | obo | tucoz: there is a tech spec here: http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging |
| 13:59:05 | LinusN | amiconn: the last.fm idea is not about tracking your habits |
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| 13:59:34 | LinusN | amiconn: it's about last.fm analyzing your habits and suggesting music based on your taste |
| 13:59:40 | obo | amiconn: it will suggest artists you may like based on your listening history |
| 13:59:45 | preglow | something it never quite pulled off in my case, heh |
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| 14:05:23 | webguest37 | i suppose last fm is only usefull if you listen to the same songs often, if your music taste is eclectic it's of no use, |
| 14:06:03 | * | petur checks the last time preglow used lastfm and understands why |
| 14:06:15 | dan_a | Slasheri: Is there any chance you could write an idiot's guide to the scheduler and put it in the Wiki? |
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| 14:10:21 | preglow | it even started bugging out and counting wrongly |
| 14:11:01 | petur | yeah, they've had issues but it seems to be working much better the last months |
| 14:11:24 | * | amiconn wonders how this recommendation stuff could work |
| 14:11:53 | petur | amiconn: they look at what other users listen too and what you have in common |
| 14:12:18 | amiconn | That most likely won't work for me |
| 14:12:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: On a vaguely related note (though unrelated to Rockbox entirely) have you tried Pandora then? |
| 14:12:35 | petur | you can always try |
| 14:13:40 | * | petur remembers pandora as being his ISP |
| 14:14:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Heheh |
| 14:15:01 | preglow | does any current target allow left/right nudge at the same time in the pitch screen? |
| 14:15:04 | preglow | archos? |
| 14:15:14 | Genre9mp3 | Pandora is nice as a concept |
| 14:15:25 | didj | pwd |
| 14:15:59 | Genre9mp3 | Though it is irritating that it has a limitation on track skips/hour |
| 14:18:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, but that's tied to the licenses they have on the music so you can't just use it as a play-on-demand system for any music you like. |
| 14:18:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Irritating but fairly understandable |
| 14:18:18 | Slasheri | dan_a: as soon as i have some time.. :) |
| 14:18:48 | dan_a | Thanks! |
| 14:19:35 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Sure... it's just that sometimes you may get stuck on a song you don't like |
| 14:19:40 | * | preglow thumps amiconn |
| 14:20:00 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: but as I said, I like the whole idea |
| 14:20:00 | LinusN | preglow: left and right simultaneously? |
| 14:20:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Does the skip limit apply to thumbs down as well? |
| 14:20:35 | preglow | LinusN: yes |
| 14:20:37 | Genre9mp3 | I think yes |
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| 14:21:13 | Genre9mp3 | not sure though...it's been some time since I last used Pandora so I may be wrong here |
| 14:21:14 | LinusN | preglow: no, that is physically impossible on the v1 and electrically impossible on the others |
| 14:21:34 | preglow | LinusN: do you know of any of our platforms that allow it? |
| 14:21:43 | LinusN | no, not really |
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| 14:22:25 | LinusN | preglow: *but*, you may be able to push Left on the remote and Right on the main device |
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| 14:22:27 | preglow | ipod seems to allow it |
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| 14:29:30 | revelation_ | Hi, I've a problem with my iPod Nano (first generation): While running RockBox plugging in the USB-connection results in a restart an connects the IPod to my computer - fine. But: The connection speed is very low compared with the speed when I connect the iPod while running the original firmware. The second difference is that the screen shows only black and while graphics and not the beautiful colors of the original firmware. Does |
| 14:29:30 | revelation_ | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 14:30:02 | LinusN | no, we don't know how to |
| 14:30:04 | LinusN | yet |
| 14:30:29 | revelation_ | ah, ok. Thank you. |
| 14:30:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | revelation_: Rockbox reboots into the iPods emergency disk mode, and no the Nano that mode seems to be bugged to be terribly slow. |
| 14:31:01 | LinusN | it's dead slow on all ipods, i think |
| 14:31:15 | preglow | it is |
| 14:31:18 | preglow | also it's horribly bugged |
| 14:31:26 | preglow | displaying an empty battery icon all the time |
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| 14:32:23 | LinusN | let's hope MrH finds out how to solve it |
| 14:32:39 | preglow | of course he will |
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| 14:33:04 | revelation_ | another question: I've created a patch for RockBox that adds a new option (enable crossfading always BUT on manual track skip). Where can I submit it to and will it be appreciated? |
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| 14:33:45 | LinusN | the patch tracker |
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| 14:34:12 | revelation_ | LinusN: thanks |
| 14:34:31 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I'm not sure what "cat file1.ogg file2.ogg > file3.ogg" actually does... It seems that indeed it creates an ogg with 2 different vorbis streams (though in foobar only the first is played, the second is ignored) though when I try to decode it to wav (with Oggdrop) I get a single wav file with both streams one after the other |
| 14:34:44 | LinusN | revelation_: similar to this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344 |
| 14:35:19 | Genre9mp3 | I was expecting to get 2 different wav files (corresponding to the 2 different vorbis streams) |
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| 14:37:51 | revelation_ | LinusN: my solution is not that flexible. It just adds a new option as I described |
| 14:38:13 | preglow | Genre9mp3: if foobar doesn't read the second, it's broken |
| 14:38:22 | preglow | Genre9mp3: catting ogg files is perfectly legal |
| 14:38:39 | Genre9mp3 | the file is broken you mean? |
| 14:38:43 | preglow | foobar |
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| 14:39:24 | Genre9mp3 | I found another multistream on the net and I had no problems with it |
| 14:39:43 | Genre9mp3 | It played all streams (11! of them)... |
| 14:40:03 | amiconn | The scrobbler commit adds 1558 bytes to the recorder build :( |
| 14:40:15 | * | preglow commits suicide |
| 14:40:47 | preglow | i'm probably going to add another couple of bytes with fixing the pitch screen nudging! |
| 14:41:37 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Do you happen to know if there is possible to play concurrent streams in an audio file? |
| 14:41:49 | preglow | ? |
| 14:42:10 | Genre9mp3 | With ogg you can multiplex both sequential and concurrent streams |
| 14:42:26 | preglow | oh, like that |
| 14:42:35 | preglow | no, wouldn't know |
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| 14:43:04 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/oggstream.html |
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| 14:43:22 | Genre9mp3 | I wasn't able to create one though... |
| 14:43:38 | Genre9mp3 | And I wonder if I did, how I could play such a file |
| 14:43:54 | Genre9mp3 | (at least being able to switch streams) |
| 14:44:05 | preglow | depends |
| 14:44:13 | preglow | video players usually support such stuff |
| 14:44:17 | preglow | audio players, not so much |
| 14:44:29 | LinusN | let's just stop adding features to rockbox - the binary size is too big |
| 14:44:42 | Genre9mp3 | Yes... I would expect VLC to play such file... |
| 14:45:10 | Genre9mp3 | But I can't find a mux tool that doesn't expect a video stream as well :( |
| 14:48:23 | preglow | bad tools |
| 14:50:58 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: You use foobar as well? |
| 14:51:16 | preglow | Genre9mp3: when i'm in windows, yes, which is very seldom |
| 14:52:20 | * | XavierGr whispers foobar on linux via WINE! |
| 14:52:48 | preglow | XavierGr: crashes quite often |
| 14:52:52 | XavierGr | really? |
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| 14:52:54 | preglow | XavierGr: besides, i'm on amd64 |
| 14:53:12 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I would "drink" to that If I was a linux user ;) |
| 14:53:18 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 14:53:33 | XavierGr | too bad that the original author of foobar doesn't have a porting plan for linux |
| 14:53:41 | XavierGr | or even better make his player opensource |
| 14:54:26 | preglow | the foobar author is bit anal in some ways |
| 14:54:37 | preglow | pity, 'cuz foobar is the best thing there is |
| 14:54:47 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Can you test this file for me in foobar? http://www.nospermzone.de/downloads/german.ogg |
| 14:54:53 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: indeed! |
| 14:54:58 | XavierGr | preglow: say that again... |
| 14:55:03 | preglow | i haven't found anything that even compares |
| 14:55:07 | preglow | especially in linux |
| 14:55:12 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I want to know if you get error messages |
| 14:55:38 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I can play all the streams but I get some error messages |
| 14:56:22 | XavierGr | I don't get error messages, but something strange is happening |
| 14:56:32 | Genre9mp3 | like? |
| 14:56:42 | XavierGr | the length is incorrect, and some parts I think are repeated |
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| 14:56:55 | XavierGr | but I am not sure I don't speak german |
| 14:57:04 | Kohlrabi | "Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file): |
| 14:57:04 | Kohlrabi | "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\jct.KOHLRABI\Desktop\german.ogg"" |
| 14:57:05 | JdGordon | yay @ the last.fm support adding :) |
| 14:57:15 | Kohlrabi | Seems to be broken |
| 14:57:18 | Genre9mp3 | You get 11 different streams though, right? |
| 14:57:27 | XavierGr | yes |
| 14:57:31 | JdGordon | Bagder: is there any change rockbox.org can host the upload script to make it easier to use please? |
| 14:57:33 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 14:57:36 | Kohlrabi | run ogginfo over it |
| 14:57:49 | Genre9mp3 | Kohlrabi: good idea |
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| 14:58:32 | Kohlrabi | ogginfo german.ogg | grep [Ww]arning |
| 14:58:47 | Kohlrabi | it's more or less completely broken ;) |
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| 14:59:12 | Genre9mp3 | Kohlrabi: I can play it though, here |
| 14:59:20 | Kohlrabi | I can't, in f2k |
| 14:59:24 | Kohlrabi | 0.9.3.1 |
| 14:59:31 | Genre9mp3 | It's a multistream ogg |
| 14:59:33 | Kohlrabi | did you encode it? |
| 14:59:42 | Kohlrabi | which means? |
| 14:59:47 | Kohlrabi | f2k cant handle it? |
| 14:59:50 | Genre9mp3 | no... but I want to figure out how to create such files |
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| 15:00:14 | Genre9mp3 | f2k can handle it (it plays) but with some error messages |
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| 15:00:24 | Kohlrabi | it won't even play back here |
| 15:00:50 | Genre9mp3 | I use 0.8.3 btw |
| 15:01:05 | Kohlrabi | maybe it's more error-tolerant :) |
| 15:01:29 | Genre9mp3 | too much effort to set it all up again going to 0.9 ;) |
| 15:01:33 | Kohlrabi | :) |
| 15:01:54 | Kohlrabi | but if ogginfo reports the file as being corrupt I reckon it actually is |
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| 15:06:06 | amiconn | preglow: Left & Right at the same time is impossible electrically and/ or mechanically on all targets afaik |
| 15:06:52 | amiconn | Recorders: both. Ondios: both. Irivers: both. X5: both. iPod: mechanically |
| 15:11:35 | preglow | oh? |
| 15:11:48 | preglow | i thought i saw a successfull both-sides trigger on ipod just now |
| 15:12:00 | preglow | might be bs, though, the wheel triggers at the same time too... |
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| 15:15:59 | amiconn | Well, I tried that once, and didn't manage to press the wheel in a way that both left & right trigger |
| 15:16:22 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact the 3rd gen might allow simultaneous left & right |
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| 15:16:44 | dan_a | I'll check later. |
| 15:17:23 | dan_a | I think the Sansa will allow it (not that that matters just yet...) and maybe H10 |
| 15:20:28 | preglow | amiconn: nano allows the wheel to press both sides at once, that's for sure |
| 15:20:37 | preglow | amiconn: the mini wheel is a lot stiffer, though |
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| 15:28:54 | TrueJournals | Hey.. I have a quick question that I hope someone can answer... |
| 15:29:32 | TrueJournals | I'm trying to use bmp2rb to make a bitmap for use on a H10 20GB. Does anyone know which setting I need to use to get it to display right? |
| 15:32:13 | lowlight | Same as H300 I think |
| 15:32:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Do you need to use bmp2rb any more? |
| 15:33:28 | TrueJournals | Well, I'm modifying the patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5597 to work with the H10 instead of the ipod.. so I need to figure out how to encode it to hex to get it to work... |
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| 15:36:31 | Bagder | rebuild with 'make V=1' |
| 15:36:45 | Bagder | and you'll see how it uses bmp2rb when building native bitmaps |
| 15:37:17 | TrueJournals | Well, I just took a peek inside the makefile and it seems to use -f 4... which I tried, but didn't seem to be working... |
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| 15:38:50 | Bagder | tools/makebmp.inc has the rest of the clues |
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| 15:44:21 | barrywardell | TrueJournals: bmp2rb -f 4 should work |
| 15:44:54 | JdGordon | Bagder: do u rekoin rockbox.org can hsot the last.fm upload script lpease? |
| 15:45:51 | TrueJournals | hmm... I tried that and -f 5... and left them for a while but it just stayed on the iriver boot screen |
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| 15:47:41 | TrueJournals | the bitmap can be the full size of the screen, right? So in the case of the 20 GB I can use a bitmap that is 160x128? |
| 15:48:24 | barrywardell | preglow: left and right nudge "works" on the h10 pitch screen |
| 15:48:36 | barrywardell | TrueJournals: yes |
| 15:49:19 | TrueJournals | Ok... maybe you can help me on the syntax of lcd_bitmap... here's the code I'm using: lcd_bitmap(rockboxlogo, 0, 10, BMPWIDTH_rockboxlogo, BMPHEIGHT_rockboxlogo); |
| 15:49:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: i want to have a last.fm upload cgi on rockbox.org |
| 15:49:43 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:49:46 | TrueJournals | rockbox logo is the image array, BMPWIDTH_rockboxlogo is defined as 160 and BMPHEIGHT_rockboxlogo is defined as 128 |
| 15:49:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | TrueJournals: Isn't that drawing at 0, 10, which means you don't have the full height of the screen available? |
| 15:50:01 | barrywardell | preglow: it works as in pressing left nudge first nudges it to 98%. holding left then pressing right has it stay at 98%, letting go of right makes it nudge to 96%. so works is the wrong term for it |
| 15:50:11 | JdGordon | LinusN: there is a perl script on MR im trying to find if you dont want to have to write it from scratch |
| 15:50:28 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: You have to make it "0, 0" instead of "0, 10" |
| 15:50:36 | LinusN | i think i have it somewhere |
| 15:50:37 | TrueJournals | ah, OK... let me try that... |
| 15:51:10 | JdGordon | ok cool :D |
| 15:52:29 | Genre9mp3 | forum search still doesn't work :( |
| 15:52:53 | LinusN | since when? |
| 15:53:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusN: About a day now |
| 15:53:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusN: One of the tables needs repaired, something I can't do. =/ |
| 15:53:29 | LinusN | i have no clue how to do that |
| 15:53:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | I've sent a message to Jeff. |
| 15:53:46 | TrueJournals | Genre9mp3: still doesn't seem to be working... |
| 15:54:02 | TrueJournals | Hmmm... would the buffer need to be bigger or something? Or should that be plenty big? |
| 15:54:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's apparently an uncommon problem that's easy to fix, it's just that you have to be able to issue the repair command or have access to a phpMyAdmin script, neither of which falls within my range. |
| 15:54:12 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: read here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6927.msg53910#msg53910 |
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| 15:55:05 | LinusN | Paul_the_Nerd: i have access to the server, but i have no knowledge of how to repair tables |
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| 15:56:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusN: From my understanding this command is all that needs to be issued: repair table smf_log_search_results; |
| 15:56:19 | TrueJournals | Genre9mp3: hmm... well, I asked for a copy of his bootloader... maybe that'll work :-\ |
| 15:56:26 | barrywardell | TrueJournals: the load buffer is 5 megs, probably plenty big enough |
| 15:56:40 | TrueJournals | yeah, that's what I thought... |
| 15:56:43 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: This has nothing to do with the bootloader |
| 15:57:50 | TrueJournals | It seems to.. it looks like he did exactly what I'm trying to do: apply the patch for iPod mini to the nano and H10... |
| 15:57:52 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: Where did you place the bmp you want to load? |
| 15:58:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusN: Unfortunately the information I found on the problem in the SMF forums was fairly terse. One person said "Do that" another said "Thanks, it worked" and that was it. |
| 15:59:10 | TrueJournals | Genre9mp3: I placed it in a file called h10_splash.c in the bootloader directory. I then included h10_splash.c in h10.c (in the bootloader)... just like the patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5597 |
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| 16:00:11 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: Oh.... so you want to modify the bootloader itself and not just the splash screen? |
| 16:00:30 | Genre9mp3 | the boot loogo screen I mean |
| 16:00:55 | TrueJournals | Genre9mp3: Where it displays all the text "Version: ... Model: ..." I want an image instead of a debug screen |
| 16:01:25 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: Why you want that? A full screen boot logo isn't enough? |
| 16:01:45 | Genre9mp3 | Also.. IMO messing with the bootloader is dangerous |
| 16:01:57 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: not that dangerous on a h10 |
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| 16:02:26 | Genre9mp3 | don't know details actually about H10 |
| 16:02:33 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 16:02:56 | Genre9mp3 | but anyway... I can't find a reason why do that |
| 16:03:54 | Genre9mp3 | Don't you find the Battery voltage useful when booting? |
| 16:04:12 | TrueJournals | Not really :-p |
| 16:04:19 | TrueJournals | kinda goes too fast to read anyway :-\ |
| 16:04:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | The error messages *are* useful if it fails to boot |
| 16:04:56 | TrueJournals | Yes, I left all the error messages displaying |
| 16:05:18 | Genre9mp3 | TrueJournals: Why not with a nice full screen ERROR logo? :P |
| 16:05:24 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 16:06:28 | TrueJournals | OK then... how about this one: where can I find the splash screen image (where the version is displayed)? |
| 16:07:11 | Genre9mp3 | in the source you mean? |
| 16:07:25 | TrueJournals | well... wherever it is :-\ |
| 16:07:33 | TrueJournals | oh, yeah, in the source |
| 16:07:37 | Genre9mp3 | "/apps/misc.c" |
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| 16:07:56 | TrueJournals | and is that part of the bootloader or the main firmware file? |
| 16:08:08 | Genre9mp3 | fw file |
| 16:08:41 | TrueJournals | ok, cool, thanks |
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| 16:11:09 | McNutella | hey, im looking for documents on the Iaudio bootloader |
| 16:11:28 | lostlogic | pondlife: how's a-b? |
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| 16:13:53 | pondlife | a-b? Was a bit broken when I tried earlier... |
| 16:13:59 | LinusN | McNutella: what documents? |
| 16:14:22 | pondlife | It repeats, but not the right section - either compared to the expected audio or the progress bar. |
| 16:14:53 | pondlife | Hard to explain exactly, give it a go and you'll soon see. |
| 16:15:27 | pondlife | By the way, did you see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6205? |
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| 16:17:48 | McNutella | hmm I guess ill have to wait until its developed for the x5 then ? |
| 16:17:52 | LinusN | Paul_the_Nerd: try a search now |
| 16:18:07 | LinusN | McNutella: there is a bootloader |
| 16:18:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusN: It works. Thank you muchly |
| 16:18:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: LinusN has fixed our searching. |
| 16:18:37 | McNutella | LinusN, is that the x5_fw.bin file then >? |
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| 16:19:19 | LinusN | McNutella: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
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| 16:19:34 | Genre9mp3 | cool! |
| 16:19:37 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 16:19:42 | LinusN | McNutella: yes, it's the x5_fw.bin file |
| 16:20:02 | McNutella | i wonder why its not updating then once I turn it back on |
| 16:20:23 | LinusN | McNutella: you must put it in the FIRMWARE directory |
| 16:20:23 | Bagder | McNutella: power cable inserted? |
| 16:20:33 | LinusN | and you must have the charger connected |
| 16:20:48 | McNutella | yes its connected |
| 16:21:11 | LinusN | McNutella: which version of x5 do you have? |
| 16:21:13 | Bagder | and it isn't an x5v ? |
| 16:21:29 | McNutella | x5l |
| 16:21:46 | LinusN | should be the same as x5 iirc |
| 16:22:01 | LinusN | McNutella: do you turn the x5 off and then insert the power cable? |
| 16:22:30 | McNutella | which is the proper way, ive tried all ways to the point of confusion :) |
| 16:22:44 | LinusN | the proper way is described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
| 16:22:58 | LinusN | you insert the charger while the player is off |
| 16:25:04 | McNutella | when I stick in the charger it just comes up "charging" |
| 16:26:51 | LinusN | did you put the file in the FIRMWARE folder? |
| 16:27:03 | LinusN | and did you safely unplug the usb cable? |
| 16:27:14 | McNutella | yes i did |
| 16:27:44 | LinusN | if you connect the usb, can you see the file in X:\FIRMWARE? |
| 16:27:53 | McNutella | yes |
| 16:28:04 | LinusN | are you using windows? |
| 16:28:07 | McNutella | no |
| 16:28:08 | lostlogic | pondlife: the progress bar not matching the audio on a-b is kinda a known problem, I think I even have comments about it somewhere |
| 16:28:15 | lostlogic | pondlife: but the audio should be what is "expected" |
| 16:28:18 | pondlife | Yes, it's not a new one |
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| 16:28:29 | pondlife | It might be, but it's hard to tell for sure. |
| 16:28:45 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 16:29:06 | pondlife | There's obviously a large-ish latency involved when the markers are placed too |
| 16:29:28 | pondlife | Room for improvement, but not a high priority bug |
| 16:29:33 | lostlogic | yah |
| 16:29:45 | lostlogic | that "funky" rebuffering bug is more concerning |
| 16:29:48 | pondlife | I can't repro that new buffering bug. |
| 16:30:48 | lostlogic | what I observed a couple of times while working on 5906 was that it would do a full rebuffer, but when it tried to make the track transition it wouldn't find the audio in the new track, or it would buffer overitself and the buffer would go from 90% to 0% suddenly, forcing a rebuffer |
| 16:31:10 | pondlife | Is there any guesswork involved in the buffer sizing? Something that VBR could upset? |
| 16:31:31 | McNutella | LinusN, i got firmware update then, now it goes off |
| 16:31:36 | lostlogic | I determined that the cause was a wrong calculation of buf_idx vs. start_pos vs. available which resulted in a buffer_wind_forward that was negative. This backwards wind forward somehow reset the buffer and effed it all up |
| 16:31:44 | LinusN | McNutella: have you tried the x5v_fw.bin file? |
| 16:31:57 | McNutella | may have to |
| 16:32:01 | lostlogic | pondlife: no −− it's raw filesize |
| 16:32:12 | lostlogic | pondlife: ... unless the id3v1 tag messes it up somehow |
| 16:32:29 | pondlife | Or codecsize? |
| 16:32:33 | LinusN | McNutella: maybe the file is corrupted somehow |
| 16:32:42 | lostlogic | no, codecs are separate from audio files |
| 16:32:47 | McNutella | ill just keep checking, thank you for the help |
| 16:33:17 | pondlife | Hmm, I thought I saw (codecsize + filesize) somewhere in there... |
| 16:33:45 | LinusN | McNutella: it said "firmware update"? |
| 16:33:59 | pondlife | amount += tracks[from_track].codecsize + tracks[from_track].filesize |
| 16:34:35 | lostlogic | hmm, if codecsize doesn't get reset in the reuffer_and_seek that could be the issue |
| 16:34:57 | pondlife | I don't really have a grasp on this yet... just assumed there could be a "codec" block in there - apparently before the file data in each case. |
| 16:35:08 | pondlife | But for just MP3 codecsize is always 0. |
| 16:35:09 | lostlogic | only when there is a change of codec |
| 16:35:12 | McNutella | LinusN, gets to bootloader, some text goes past, then goes off |
| 16:35:13 | pondlife | Ah |
| 16:35:20 | LinusN | McNutella: then all is well |
| 16:35:22 | pondlife | So if I alternate OGG and MP3.... |
| 16:35:22 | lostlogic | we don't buffer a codec with every song that way |
| 16:35:25 | lostlogic | right |
| 16:35:29 | LinusN | McNutella: all you have to do now is install rockbox |
| 16:35:32 | pondlife | Why buffer the codec at all? |
| 16:35:42 | pondlife | To avoid HDD access? |
| 16:35:44 | lostlogic | so we don't hafta spin up the disk every track transition |
| 16:35:44 | lostlogic | right |
| 16:35:51 | lostlogic | hdd is slow and power hungry |
| 16:35:55 | pondlife | Yep |
| 16:36:01 | pondlife | I realised as I was typing |
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| 16:41:10 | lowlight | pondlife: I can get the stopping part of the bug (play dir1...let stop naturally...play dir2...stops after track 1). It's pretty reproducible in the H120 sim (non-logf). |
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| 16:41:46 | PaulJam | pondlife: to answer the question you posted earlier: i use ubuntu linux 6.06 |
| 16:41:51 | lowlight | I'm trying to dump the logf's through debugf. |
| 16:42:26 | pondlife | lowlight: I also have seen the stopping bug |
| 16:42:39 | pondlife | I don't know if it's related to the white noise though. |
| 16:43:04 | pondlife | It seems that the stopping is more a playlist problem |
| 16:43:18 | pondlife | It acts just like the playlist of album #2 is only one track long. |
| 16:44:06 | pondlife | I can't get white noise, even with a plain sim build. |
| 16:44:09 | lowlight | Ahh. I thought PaulJam said when you restart after that you get whitenoise during the rebuffer. |
| 16:44:21 | pondlife | Yes, he does. I don't though |
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| 16:46:00 | lowlight | But it's odd that I can only get the stopping part with a non-logf sim and vbr mp3's. |
| 16:48:14 | pondlife | It must be a race condition. |
| 16:49:03 | pondlife | What if you enable logf, but comment out #define PLAYBACK_LOGQUEUES |
| 16:49:22 | pondlife | Then it will be doing a lot less logf-ing. |
| 16:49:44 | pondlife | So when you restart after a stop, do you get white noise? |
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| 16:50:49 | McNutella | Even after installing rockbox, the iaudio doesnt stay on |
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| 16:54:09 | lowlight | pondlife: I don't know. I was trying to figure out why playback was stopping. |
| 16:54:14 | pondlife | OK. |
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| 16:59:48 | inteliwasp | is thre a problem with the daily build 061018 for the ipod? |
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| 17:07:39 | lowlight | inteliwasp: do *you* have a problem with the build? |
| 17:08:20 | inteliwasp | yes, it will not boot all the way |
| 17:08:43 | inteliwasp | i am about to use 061019 i a few mins |
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| 17:16:19 | inteliwasp | well *19 fixed the problem |
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| 17:56:21 | lowlight | pondlife: so when I redefine logf as debugf, and run the sim, I can not reproduce the stopping bug. |
| 17:56:37 | lowlight | I can only reproduce it in a standard sim build. |
| 17:56:48 | pondlife | Does logf yield? |
| 17:56:58 | pondlife | I would hope not... |
| 17:57:02 | SmilinBob | anyone have any advice for unlocking itunes store songs? |
| 17:57:09 | pondlife | But debugf would |
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| 17:58:54 | PaulJam | SmilinBob: buy the songs again on CD and avoid DRM music in the future. |
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| 18:00:05 | PaulJam | or burn the songs on cd via itunes and rerip (you will loose quality) |
| 18:01:02 | lowlight | pondlife: no yields in debug.c or logf.c |
| 18:01:25 | pondlife | What about the file writing in debugf? |
| 18:01:35 | pondlife | Doesn't that result in a yield? |
| 18:02:03 | Genre9mp3 | SmilinBob: After that, write down 1000 times: "I won't buy DRM music again" |
| 18:02:22 | SmilinBob | hehe |
| 18:02:54 | goffa | lala.com is a good website SmilinBob |
| 18:02:57 | SmilinBob | i do have a rockbox related question aswell |
| 18:03:02 | goffa | you trade physical cds |
| 18:03:03 | SmilinBob | ... |
| 18:03:14 | goffa | works out to be just under $2/album |
| 18:03:17 | SmilinBob | i downloaded like 6 different themes from the site |
| 18:03:18 | goffa | and you get the cd |
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| 18:03:29 | SmilinBob | and they all seem to semi-work |
| 18:03:42 | SmilinBob | like everything's there, but it's not aligned properly |
| 18:03:53 | SmilinBob | (ipod 5g btw) |
| 18:04:20 | PaulJam | many themes on the wiki require additional patches |
| 18:04:25 | SmilinBob | ah |
| 18:04:43 | pondlife | lostlogic: FWIW, I can now repro the buffering problem on FS #6205 |
| 18:05:11 | pondlife | audio_rebuffer_and_seek() is doing a quick rebuffer of only the current file. |
| 18:05:40 | SmilinBob | where would i find these patches? |
| 18:05:50 | Genre9mp3 | SmilinBob: Also I think you should have alook at this: http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1555 |
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| 18:06:59 | SmilinBob | ooooo |
| 18:07:01 | SmilinBob | ty much |
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| 18:07:38 | SmilinBob | and i was just starting to burn off all my purchased music so i can re-rip it... |
| 18:09:17 | lostlogic | pondlife: I wasn't aware we had a concept of aquick rebuffer aside from the "buffer at least this much then quit" mode which I enhanced in my last commit |
| 18:09:34 | pondlife | This is what's being triggered. |
| 18:09:56 | pondlife | audio_read_file(32768) is being called |
| 18:10:09 | lostlogic | yeah, but that still buffers the whole buffer, immediately following |
| 18:10:30 | lostlogic | hmm... I wonder if it causes the problem if the minimum is >= the total of the file |
| 18:10:33 | lostlogic | that's possible |
| 18:10:37 | pondlife | It is. |
| 18:10:47 | lostlogic | well then someone (ie me) should fix that. |
| 18:10:47 | pondlife | Minimum never gets back to 0 |
| 18:11:22 | pondlife | Wouldn't that imply that newpos > filesize too in audio_rebuffer_and_seek()? |
| 18:11:55 | lostlogic | no |
| 18:12:00 | Soap | SmilinBob: Burning and reripping lossy encoded files is abou the worse way to do it. |
| 18:12:00 | lostlogic | becaues of conf_preseek |
| 18:12:06 | pondlife | Ah. |
| 18:12:12 | Soap | s/worse/worst |
| 18:12:16 | lostlogic | which is a good feature for codecs without seek tables, but I'm beginning to think is too much trouble to be worth it |
| 18:12:24 | pondlife | Should the test (minimum > (unsigned)rc) be a >= ? |
| 18:12:29 | lostlogic | er codecs which don't have precise seeking or wahtever |
| 18:12:45 | lostlogic | not sure on that |
| 18:12:48 | SmilinBob | true |
| 18:13:13 | pondlife | The problem I'm seeing results in a loop 32768 -> 16384 but not -> 0 |
| 18:13:19 | lostlogic | yeah |
| 18:13:39 | pondlife | i.e. minimum = rc |
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| 18:13:53 | lostlogic | not necessarily |
| 18:13:57 | lostlogic | minimum is probably > rc |
| 18:14:26 | Mikachu | i heard you can unlock itunes songs with some program, the only downside is you have to play them in itunes in realtime |
| 18:14:46 | Soap | Best bet is to strip the DRM if that is legal in your jurisdiction, second best (but nowhere near as good) is to use a program like TotalRecorder which pretends to be a sound card driver, and gets direct access to the decoded audio stream. to/from CD can just add more errors to an already poor situation. |
| 18:14:46 | Mikachu | (sorry if someone said that already) |
| 18:15:14 | lostlogic | I think we just need to make some tweaks to the exit conditions of audio_read_file |
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| 18:15:32 | lostlogic | so that it knows that it should act the same if minimum is reached, or if minimum is _not_ reached, but EOF is reached |
| 18:16:01 | pondlife | i.e. it should carry on at EOF |
| 18:16:13 | pondlife | To return so the next file is buffered |
| 18:17:09 | pondlife | Hmm, my logf shows that min=16384, rc=16384 |
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| 18:22:32 | pondlife | lostlogic: How can this carry on to do other files? audio_rebuffer_and_seek() doesn't even check the return value from audio_read_file().. |
| 18:23:49 | lostlogic | file descriptor or something isn't reset correctly at the end of the buffering |
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| 18:25:38 | * | pondlife has a somwehat unrelated thought |
| 18:25:50 | lostlogic | unfortunately I can't really look into this too much ATM, because I'm working an dthen traveling |
| 18:25:53 | pondlife | I wonder if the stopping problem is caused by the last file not being closed |
| 18:26:24 | lostlogic | ARF should close files it's done with |
| 18:26:28 | lostlogic | but maybe we have a bug there |
| 18:27:02 | pondlife | ...something that survives a call to audio_play...? |
| 18:29:59 | lostlogic | try closing and resetting current_fd in there for shits? |
| 18:30:27 | pondlife | I'll just look at it all again... I'll leave the rebuffer fix for you when you get time though. |
| 18:30:53 | lostlogic | I'm sure you'll remind me, but a FS task assigned to me might help remind me to look at it Sundayish. |
| 18:31:10 | pondlife | Will do |
| 18:33:02 | pondlife | Hmm, don't suppose close() can yield? |
| 18:33:09 | preglow | could you guys please see about adding boosting while the playback engine buffers? |
| 18:33:21 | pondlife | I already added it once |
| 18:33:26 | preglow | didya now |
| 18:33:33 | preglow | when? |
| 18:34:13 | pondlife | About 2 weeks ago? - but I'm not sure it's survived |
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| 18:34:52 | lostlogic | preglow: doesn't it? |
| 18:35:07 | lostlogic | hmm... the scheduler may unboost if the buffering process goes to sleep |
| 18:35:10 | lostlogic | but it never really should |
| 18:36:17 | preglow | lostlogic: the non-boosting behaviour has been around since your rework |
| 18:36:24 | preglow | so it's not scheduler related |
| 18:36:50 | lostlogic | there are trigger_cpu_boost calls throughout the buffering related code |
| 18:36:55 | preglow | seems liked it boosts now |
| 18:37:01 | preglow | yea, it does |
| 18:37:09 | preglow | nice, pondlife |
| 18:37:11 | lostlogic | heh |
| 18:37:16 | pondlife | :) |
| 18:37:28 | pondlife | I don't think my particular code remains at all |
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| 18:37:36 | preglow | well, that doesn't matter so much |
| 18:37:45 | pondlife | Nope, as long as it's working |
| 18:37:47 | preglow | codecs that _just_ avoided boosting took forever to buffer when it didn't boost |
| 18:38:12 | pondlife | I added that back on 26th Sept |
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| 18:38:46 | lostlogic | I need to work on my per-thread scheduler managed boosting... it's still a halfbaked idea and a halfbaked patch |
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| 19:34:40 | Lear | Seriously, has the Xing VBR TOC _never_ been used by Rockbox? |
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| 19:36:07 | preglow | Lear: eh? i thought that was all rockbox used |
| 19:36:12 | preglow | Lear: sure you don't mean vbri? |
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| 19:36:52 | Lear | Problem is, from what I can see, has_toc is never set to true... Not in id3.c or mp3data.c at least. |
| 19:37:30 | Lear | And if not set, it isn't used in playback.c. Don't know how hwcodec does things, but that function is supposedly copied from mpeg.c |
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| 19:40:36 | Lear | Same for hwcodec... |
| 19:40:56 | preglow | oh? |
| 19:41:01 | preglow | so the seek table is never used???? |
| 19:41:56 | Lear | Nope. |
| 19:42:21 | Lear | Went back to older versions of mp3data.c, wasn't set in the few versions I checked... |
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| 19:43:33 | Lear | I did think the seeking wasn't all that accurate, but at least some of the files I thought were "bad" were cbr without any TOC... |
| 19:43:58 | preglow | cbr with no toc should be accurate |
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| 19:47:23 | Lear | For long files (say 1+ hours), I usually need to seek at least 10 secs or so to actually skip anywhere. |
| 19:48:07 | Lear | But it probably did work once upon a time, but a rewrite 3.5 years ago (when has_toc was introduced) broke it. |
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| 20:05:58 | lostlogic | Lear: awesome patch :) |
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| 20:06:26 | Lear | Yep. :) |
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| 20:31:29 | My_Sic | hie all |
| 20:31:37 | My_Sic | a little question |
| 20:32:30 | My_Sic | Are exist an windows application for create the cachetag ? |
| 20:33:09 | nls | there's a perl scrip that (probably) will run on windows |
| 20:33:24 | My_Sic | were i can find it ? |
| 20:34:00 | My_Sic | and are they have another ? |
| 20:34:49 | nls | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/tools/songdb.pl I don't know how to use it maybe there's something in the wiki... |
| 20:35:02 | My_Sic | thanks |
| 20:35:10 | nls | But I suppose you need to install perl |
| 20:35:17 | My_Sic | i think so |
| 20:37:43 | My_Sic | i have some problem to create cachetag with rockbox one my ipod 5g 60go |
| 20:38:01 | My_Sic | not enought battery to create them at once time |
| 20:38:41 | nls | It should be able to resume initialization between boots |
| 20:38:43 | My_Sic | and if i make it in many time, they have always a time where they have problem and all cachedata are delete |
| 20:40:40 | My_Sic | another problem in rockbox for creating cachetag, if they are updating or initialising, and you connect to the pc, alla data for cachetag aren't save |
| 20:43:04 | nls | That would probably be a bug. Probably caused by the usb mode reboot thingy that the ipods do. |
| 20:45:10 | My_Sic | maybe |
| 20:45:41 | My_Sic | another question (the last one) |
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| 20:46:08 | My_Sic | where i can find a build of rockbox with 64Mo of memory enable? |
| 20:46:47 | nls | Probably some of the unofficial builds have that patch in. |
| 20:46:47 | PaulJam | look in the unsupported builds section in the forum |
| 20:48:21 | My_Sic | thanks for all |
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| 20:51:11 | _jhMikeS_ | Has LinusN been away a lot or has my schedule just not been coinciding with his? |
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| 20:58:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: was just asking about ya :) |
| 20:58:35 | LinusN | i see |
| 20:59:24 | jhMikeS | any discoveries about the source changing or no time? i'm clueless about it right now. |
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| 21:01:22 | LinusN | i'm having a look at it right now |
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| 21:02:24 | jhMikeS | Well, I was thinking I'd release a change that keeps recording in master mode atm and then if it workds ok, commit and then put in a patch that deals with changing slave mode only. |
| 21:02:42 | LinusN | chicken :-) |
| 21:02:52 | jhMikeS | :-) Hey! |
| 21:03:22 | jhMikeS | *bawk* *bawk* |
| 21:04:13 | * | jhMikeS is developing an appetite for dried corn and is scratching the ground with his feet |
| 21:04:29 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 21:16:37 | jaczehack | salaam |
| 21:16:50 | jaczehack | in accordance with the prophecy |
| 21:17:25 | Lear | linusn: btw, had any look on that mp3 that wouldn't play? if not, I could take one... |
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| 21:18:27 | jaczehack | sleep-time |
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| 21:18:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, I should have left a comment on that patch you committed now |
| 21:19:30 | amiconn | Do you think the general void queue_remove_from_head() is a good idea? |
| 21:19:51 | amiconn | Imho it would have been better to handle the situation within th eplayback engine |
| 21:21:53 | LinusN | Lear: that file sure is odd |
| 21:23:16 | Lear | Oh? |
| 21:23:24 | LinusN | Lear: http://linus.haxx.se/rollingstones.mp3 |
| 21:23:46 | LinusN | libmad chokes when decoding and returns ERROR_BUFLEN |
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| 21:24:21 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't really care if it's generic or not |
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| 21:26:41 | Lear | Linusn: Got it. |
| 21:26:59 | amiconn | Hmm, ok. |
| 21:28:14 | preglow | Lear: so, is seeking any better? |
| 21:28:48 | Lear | A little, I think. |
| 21:29:07 | Lear | Just tried with one 12-minute file though... |
| 21:30:06 | amiconn | Lear: It should be most obvious with a file where bitrate varies a lot, correct? |
| 21:30:22 | Lear | Ah, an "oldie": chock-full of CRC errors... :) |
| 21:30:40 | Lear | I do remember Rockbox having problem with that, not sure if it was hw or sw codec though... |
| 21:30:46 | * | amiconn has a track with 2.5 minutes of silence. Should test with that |
| 21:30:51 | Lear | amiconn: should be, yes. |
| 21:34:19 | lowlight | Lear: with your toc fix I no longer get the one of the playback bugs (play one directory & let finish, then play another dir...playback quits after first track) |
| 21:35:00 | Lear | lowlight: and you get the bug wihtout seeking (or resuming)? |
| 21:35:23 | Lear | Btw, I've seen that a few times: playback stops after first track. Play it again and it works. |
| 21:37:15 | lowlight | Yeah, no seeking or resuming. It's an odd bug. |
| 21:37:41 | lowlight | I could reproduce it in the sim with only vbr mp3s. |
| 21:37:52 | lowlight | cbr mp3s were ok |
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| 21:38:47 | lowlight | But when I enabled logf I couldn't reproduce it at all...odd. |
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| 21:40:32 | Lear | if no seeking is done, toc shouldn't be used at all... |
| 21:41:31 | Lear | Nope, wrong, audio_set_elapsed uses it... |
| 21:42:33 | Lear | So the bug would be caused by a bad "elapsed" value? |
| 21:43:02 | lowlight | presumably only if its resuming |
| 21:43:28 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i see some very odd behaviour |
| 21:44:33 | jhMikeS | really. explain. |
| 21:44:41 | Lear | Mmm, yes, the name fooled me. :) |
| 21:45:07 | LinusN | uda1380_enable_recording sets REG_VGA to 0 (to unmute the ADC) |
| 21:45:38 | jhMikeS | yes. That's how it was. I was looking there myself. |
| 21:45:56 | LinusN | then uda1380_set_recvol() is called, which doesn't touch REG_VGA |
| 21:46:04 | jhMikeS | But isn't 0 really -0db? |
| 21:46:36 | LinusN | as an experiment, i wrote 0 to REG_VGA in set_recvol as well, and then it worked |
| 21:46:54 | Lear | Linusn: That MP3 file now plays. But do we want to disable the CRC checks? They could be useful (though it is fairly common with bad files like these, I think). |
| 21:46:58 | jhMikeS | VGA or PGA? |
| 21:47:06 | jhMikeS | ?? |
| 21:47:14 | LinusN | sorry PGA |
| 21:47:21 | Lear | Maybe they're more intended for streaming or other cases where teh file is likely to be corrupted? |
| 21:47:41 | jhMikeS | The line in vol sets it |
| 21:48:15 | jhMikeS | All the inputs work now? |
| 21:48:31 | LinusN | well, we have other problems now |
| 21:48:37 | jhMikeS | what? |
| 21:48:41 | LinusN | the mic isn't turned off when we select line in |
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| 21:49:01 | jhMikeS | Are you hearing both or only mic? |
| 21:49:19 | LinusN | don't know, have no line source atm |
| 21:49:30 | jhMikeS | Radio? |
| 21:49:38 | LinusN | good idea |
| 21:49:42 | jhMikeS | Did you ever check SPDIF? |
| 21:51:27 | amiconn | Hmm, no linuxstb around... |
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| 21:52:28 | LinusN | jhMikeS: not yet |
| 21:53:08 | LinusN | now i can't select radio anymore... something is really wrong |
| 21:55:23 | jhMikeS | no menu item? |
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| 21:55:45 | LinusN | no, the radio isn't heard |
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| 21:57:30 | jhMikeS | How come line in in set_recvol doesn't touch reg ADC? |
| 21:57:34 | jhMikeS | but mic does? |
| 21:57:58 | LinusN | beats me |
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| 22:00:03 | jhMikeS | I think analog front end volume control needs some detangling :) |
| 22:02:49 | LinusN | i'm beginning to suspect something completely different, like that the i2c driver sends one byte too many |
| 22:03:18 | LinusN | afk for a while |
| 22:05:24 | jhMikeS | hmm |
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| 22:06:14 | jhMikeS | wonder how it worked before...take out the combi thing? |
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| 23:15:26 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the i2c bus looks just fine in the logic analyzer |
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| 23:18:09 | jhMikeS | hmmm...what the f is going on? I can't get over that it works without the slave mode. |
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| 23:57:27 | Kitt0s | http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/install.htm |
| 23:57:32 | Kitt0s | what happend to that site? |
| 23:58:01 | sawo`ve | looks like its reamoved |
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| 23:58:14 | sawo | removed* |
| 23:58:18 | Kitt0s | :\ |
| 23:58:46 | Mikachu | Kitt0s: http://72.14.221.104/search?hl=en&lr=&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.senab.co.uk%2Frockbox%2Fdownload.htm&btnG=Search |
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