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| 00:01:00 | dmat | That's different... It failed trying to select a game wad |
| 00:01:00 | jhMikeS | tell me about memory protection...I almost turned my x5 into a toaster a couple times or so I was worried. |
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| 00:01:29 | dmat | "Undefined Instruction at 3EBA46F4" |
| 00:01:59 | dmat | Is this recoverable or do I need to do a Menu and Select Reboot? |
| 00:02:28 | nls | And these wads are official, unmodified files? |
| 00:02:42 | dmat | I can give you the md5sums if you like ? |
| 00:02:51 | dmat | yes, afaik |
| 00:03:03 | dmat | They came of the Ultimate Doom Collection CD |
| 00:03:10 | dmat | sic of=off |
| 00:03:26 | nls | can you try this one http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/PluginDoom/doom1wad.zip |
| 00:03:39 | dmat | The demo one ... OK |
| 00:04:16 | dmat | I'll also dosfsck the filesystem as it may have scrozzed the FAT |
| 00:04:51 | dmat | 25e1459ca71d321525f84628f45ca8cd *DOOM2.WAD |
| 00:05:03 | dmat | I did rename this to lowercase |
| 00:05:26 | dmat | c4fe9fd920207691a9f493668e0a2083 *doomu.wad |
| 00:05:31 | nls | shouldn't matter since FAT32 is case insensitive |
| 00:05:39 | dmat | Point |
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| 00:06:50 | nls | Googled your hasshes and they seem fine :) |
| 00:07:03 | dmat | I'll check the on nano hashes |
| 00:07:14 | dmat | fsck is OK |
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| 00:07:42 | TerrorByte | Paul, you still here? |
| 00:07:44 | nls | also try renaming doomu to just doom |
| 00:07:50 | TerrorByte | hey |
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| 00:08:00 | dmat | will try the demo first |
| 00:08:04 | TerrorByte | okay the video sample i downloaded runs at 24.7 FPS. |
| 00:08:15 | TerrorByte | The one I've encoded runs at 18.4 |
| 00:08:23 | TerrorByte | What's the exact process for converting that sample video? |
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| 00:09:00 | TerrorByte | Anyone? |
| 00:09:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Generally you give people time to respond. There's also the possibility that nobody knows. |
| 00:09:30 | TerrorByte | Aw... |
| 00:09:35 | nls | TerrorByte, see this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
| 00:09:35 | TerrorByte | You seriously don't know? |
| 00:09:54 | nls | No I don't, I never used Mpegplayer |
| 00:10:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: It tells on that page, actually |
| 00:10:27 | TerrorByte | Yes I have... |
| 00:10:46 | TerrorByte | But the FPS is significantly lower than Elephant's Dream. |
| 00:10:49 | TerrorByte | Or whatever that is. |
| 00:11:14 | PaulJam | TerrorByte: maybe you use a higher bitrate for your video |
| 00:11:25 | TerrorByte | Huh? |
| 00:11:27 | TerrorByte | And where is that decided? |
| 00:11:27 | dmat | Damn another "undefined instruction" but "at 3F3063B8" |
| 00:11:35 | dmat | when selecting the wad |
| 00:11:40 | TerrorByte | It's in the batch file right? |
| 00:12:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: It says on that page, regarding the elephants dream files, "The following files are encoded using mpeg2enc at "-q 6" quantization level." |
| 00:12:25 | TerrorByte | You see. |
| 00:12:28 | TerrorByte | I have no idea what that means. |
| 00:12:52 | TerrorByte | What the HELL is quantization? |
| 00:15:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Read the mpeg2enc docs, I would suggest. |
| 00:15:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | It tells what tool was used, and what command line parameter. Do you really need to know what the parameter actually means? |
| 00:16:01 | nls | dmat, I would say that this qualifies as a bug then, please file a report in the tracker with as much info as possible. |
| 00:16:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | dmat: What's the problem? |
| 00:16:39 | dmat | rockdoom crashes on ipod Nano |
| 00:16:47 | SmilinBob | everytime i turn on my ipod, the theme is gone... |
| 00:17:01 | SmilinBob | is this a known problem? |
| 00:17:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | dmat: This is with the official build, and what WADs? |
| 00:17:23 | nls | SmilinBob, try shutting it down by holding play and start it again |
| 00:17:33 | SmilinBob | i did |
| 00:17:56 | PaulJam | SmilinBob: also, if you boot with hold enabled the settings get reset |
| 00:18:25 | nls | and your wps is in the ./rockbox/wps dir |
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| 00:18:56 | dmat | Paul, ipod Nano 1st gen, 20061020 daily build, bootloader OK, Rockbox starts and play mp3 fine, instruction fault when choosing wad in plugin |
| 00:19:25 | dmat | wads are correctly named and not corrupt md5sum match |
| 00:20:30 | dmat | New one here.... |
| 00:20:45 | dmat | Data abort at 3FC9195C |
| 00:21:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | dmat: I notice that you didn't answer the actual *question* I asked. |
| 00:21:03 | dmat | when choosing sound to off in rockdoom menu |
| 00:21:43 | dmat | Please read entire line.... 20061020 daily build |
| 00:21:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | dmat: My question was "What wads" |
| 00:22:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | I read the entire line |
| 00:22:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | You never answered it. |
| 00:22:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | You said the MD5 checksums are fine, but we don't have checksums listed for the ones we provide. |
| 00:22:35 | dmat | sorry missed your 2nd question. |
| 00:22:51 | * | Paul_the_Nerd points to the "please read entire line" statement you made. |
| 00:22:54 | dmat | I have tried Ultimate Doom (doomu.wad) |
| 00:23:03 | SmilinBob | what's the diff between ipod 5g and ipod 5g 64mb? |
| 00:23:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | SmilinBob: The 64mb one is for 60gb iPod 5Gs |
| 00:23:20 | SmilinBob | ah |
| 00:23:20 | SmilinBob | ok |
| 00:23:22 | dmat | doom2.wad |
| 00:23:27 | SmilinBob | that's what i figured |
| 00:23:41 | dmat | I have now dropped back to just rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad from the wiki link |
| 00:23:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | dmat: Though if it's crashing in the menu, have you tried deleting the .rocks folder, then reinstalling Rockbox with cleared settings and seeing if that helps? |
| 00:23:55 | dmat | It still seems unhappy... |
| 00:24:04 | dmat | Will give it a go |
| 00:24:15 | amiconn | Disable any voicing in case that's enabled |
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| 00:25:33 | nls | heh cute, when trying doom in the sim the wad file search is case sensitive :-/ |
| 00:25:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | dmat: Yes, voicing could easily wreak havoc with Doom at the moment, if I recall |
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| 00:26:42 | dmat | Aha... The second time I did have the english.voice in the langs folder.., but It was not enabled..? |
| 00:26:44 | amiconn | nls: On linux, yes. On windows+cygwin, no |
| 00:26:59 | dmat | right unmounted drive, rebooting |
| 00:27:33 | amiconn | It doesn't matter much whether english.voice is present, but whether you have any voice options enabled |
| 00:27:50 | dmat | I don't think so |
| 00:28:45 | dmat | starting doom now |
| 00:28:49 | amiconn | If you reset setting, menu voicing will be enabled |
| 00:29:12 | dmat | eh, |
| 00:29:58 | dmat | Turned off the voice menus... |
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| 00:31:13 | dmat | Damn, now it works... |
| 00:31:46 | nls | IMO doom+voice -> crash is still a bug |
| 00:31:53 | dmat | Someone with a wiki account add to the doom page to turn off all the voice stuff |
| 00:32:19 | amiconn | nls: Yes it is. Doom should disable voice while it's running |
| 00:32:25 | dmat | What's the bug number in flyspray as I couldn't find any open bugs earlier |
| 00:32:37 | petur | dmat: why don't you register and start contributing ;) |
| 00:33:44 | dmat | as long as I'm not contributing duplicate bugs, I will |
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| 00:34:18 | petur | amiconn: re jpeg viewer: if the direct lcd access is a problem when using grayscale, this issue must have been in the code before my change |
| 00:34:29 | amiconn | nope |
| 00:34:56 | amiconn | The old code either showed the overlay _or_ drew with standard lcd instructions |
| 00:35:15 | amiconn | Now it does both at once |
| 00:36:06 | petur | ah I see, because the progress bar is now drawn on top of the image |
| 00:36:14 | amiconn | It is possible to show both greyscale and ordinary lcd content at once, but you must not use any lcd_ function that directly accesses the lcd |
| 00:36:36 | amiconn | I.e. you can draw to the standard framebuffer as much as you like, just don't call lcd_update(_rect) |
| 00:36:56 | amiconn | Instead, the grayscale library has a special function to do this within the isr |
| 00:37:26 | amiconn | But for the progress bar to work the grayscale overlay would need to be clipped while the bar should be dispplayed |
| 00:37:58 | amiconn | That's surely possible, just there is no code in the grayscale lib atm that allows this |
| 00:38:05 | petur | hmmm... better just get rid of that progress bar then |
| 00:38:34 | petur | is there a define for grayscale targets? |
| 00:39:18 | amiconn | Did you look at the code at all before messing with it? ;) |
| 00:39:21 | amiconn | #define USEGSLIB |
| 00:39:30 | amiconn | line 130 |
| 00:40:14 | petur | thanks |
| 00:40:27 | pixelma | one should get rid of the playback menu in the jpeg-viewer for Archos targets, too |
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| 00:42:38 | Soap | Lordy, 400+ feature requests. I'm going to be all night seeing if my ideas have been proposed before. |
| 00:43:44 | dmat | Petur, do you have wiki write priveledges? |
| 00:43:59 | petur | we can give you those |
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| 00:45:18 | pixelma | petur: will you work on the jpeg viewer then? |
| 00:45:30 | dmat | I'm not really up for an account as it's just a small note on the rockdoom page |
| 00:45:31 | petur | dmat: tell us your wiki name and you'll get added to the group with write privileges |
| 00:45:57 | petur | pixelma: that was not my intention, I just wanted to fix a small annoyance |
| 00:46:09 | pixelma | ah... pity... |
| 00:46:54 | amiconn | Hmm. I guess I would never have noticed that annoyance... |
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| 00:47:24 | * | amiconn doesn't use the slideshow mode at all |
| 00:47:33 | petur | well if you want to show some pics to somebody.... |
| 00:47:45 | amiconn | Then I just open the pic and show it |
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| 00:48:24 | dionoea | you seriously show pics on your tiny greyscale LCD ? |
| 00:48:42 | pixelma | petur: jpeg viewer and playback on Archos can result in this ATM http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/dump_0001.bmp ;) |
| 00:48:43 | * | petur has an h340 |
| 00:49:04 | amiconn | Why not? Apart from that, I can choose from several targets, some of them even colour |
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| 00:49:13 | petur | picelma: automatic art generation |
| 00:49:28 | pixelma | visualisation |
| 00:49:40 | preglow | dionoea: hell, beats not showing pictures |
| 00:49:46 | dionoea | true... :) |
| 00:49:53 | * | petur learns to use TAB for nick autocompletion |
| 00:52:21 | preglow | nice trick, that |
| 00:54:35 | dmat | petur, Afraid I can't register for the wiki |
| 00:54:49 | petur | why not? |
| 00:55:23 | dmat | very common name, already registered. Do you guys allow constructions of FirstNameMiddleInitialLastName |
| 00:55:39 | dionoea | JohnSmith ? |
| 00:55:45 | dmat | Close |
| 00:56:40 | petur | dmat: I think so, as long as it's a name and not something else |
| 00:57:00 | dmat | Just a sec then |
| 00:58:07 | dmat | oh damn |
| 00:58:16 | nls | That is indeed a flaw in the Real Name (tm) policy combined with user accounts... |
| 00:58:29 | dmat | no-one said the e-mail account shouldn't have a spamblock!!! |
| 00:59:11 | dionoea | it's not public |
| 00:59:15 | dmat | i.e. I've just used myname.NOSPAM.mydomain, so that activation code is coming nowhere near my POP3 server |
| 00:59:41 | dmat | and I can't re register can I.... agggh |
| 00:59:49 | petur | twiki does that for you already |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:13 | dmat | ? |
| 01:00:23 | petur | adding the NOSPAM in there |
| 01:00:56 | dionoea | and i guess that most spammers reverse that change :) So it doesn't really matter |
| 01:01:10 | dmat | can you register the same name with a different e-mail address or can someone nuke my account? |
| 01:01:16 | * | petur hugs his spamfilter |
| 01:01:42 | dmat | This is why I use "NOSPAMPLEASEIMBRITISH" |
| 01:02:00 | dionoea | hehe :) |
| 01:02:23 | dmat | still no computer solution for a sense of humour |
| 01:02:35 | petur | dmat: no idea, I fear we need Bagder/Zagor/LinusN for wiki admin |
| 01:03:16 | dmat | agghh. This is why I don't register.. if you have a common name, the chances of database f**kups is quite high |
| 01:07:01 | dmat | petur, it appears you can re-register if the account is inactive... |
| 01:07:55 | dmat | And I have an account |
| 01:08:18 | dmat | Any chances of those write privs? |
| 01:08:26 | petur | sure... name? |
| 01:08:32 | dmat | Ahem.. |
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| 01:08:46 | dmat | Damn I'm being shy |
| 01:08:51 | dmat | DavidGTurner |
| 01:09:31 | petur | done |
| 01:09:40 | nls | But that's the good thing with a common name, if someone googles it lots of incorrect hits will turn up |
| 01:09:44 | dmat | Thanks |
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| 01:10:04 | dmat | My middle initial resolves to me though |
| 01:10:16 | dmat | but I do agree |
| 01:10:44 | dmat | The worst though is if you say happen to be called "Ali Mohammed" as a friend of mine is... |
| 01:11:00 | dmat | let's just say, he has trouble with airlines recently |
| 01:11:25 | nls | We have some examples of people that have been "scared" away by the Ral Name plicy. |
| 01:12:06 | dmat | I nearly was, but I like the idea of doom on my ipod and want others to be able to share the fun of fragging on the bus |
| 01:12:18 | dmat | ;-) |
| 01:12:36 | dmat | I'll just edit the rockdoom known bugs section |
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| 01:22:21 | barrywardell | does anyone know why I get this error while building a sim: http://pastebin.ca/212614 |
| 01:22:29 | barrywardell | happens for all targets i think |
| 01:22:39 | barrywardell | using apple's gcc on osx |
| 01:24:11 | Soap | Thank you for commiting the Last.FM patch. |
| 01:24:32 | Soap | I just dumped a 200+ track log, easy as pie. |
| 01:25:35 | dmat | petur, all done. Thanks. Time for bed.. |
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| 01:29:47 | amiconn | Hmm. sh-elf-gcc goofs a bit in bidi.c: bidi_l2v() |
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| 01:50:37 | sk | hello, im looking for help. |
| 01:52:41 | Moos | Hi ! |
| 01:52:41 | preglow | then ask |
| 01:58:34 | sk | im installing rockbox onto 3rd gen ipod. i believe it needs to be formatted with fat32, but i get stuck in the process of installing with terminal (im on a G5 PPC) when it says there is no partition to be found. does the windows version firmware need to be on the ipod to install? |
| 01:59:11 | sk | thank you for your help |
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| 02:01:30 | sk | i found one forum post by someone who had the exact problem as me, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6057.msg46760#msg46760 |
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| 02:05:45 | sk | hello? |
| 02:05:58 | sk | sorry i got distracted |
| 02:08:05 | Nimdae | man, i've noticed today that my ipod is having a lot of disk access, sometimes to the point of causing song skipping |
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| 02:09:27 | Nimdae | interestingly, the cpu is pegged at full boost |
| 02:09:37 | amiconn | hrmph! |
| 02:09:46 | amiconn | Why does the build system not pick up my commit? |
| 02:10:09 | Nimdae | wow, it was the eq |
| 02:10:15 | Nimdae | disabled it and now it's all working fine |
| 02:10:22 | amiconn | (for building) |
| 02:11:11 | * | amiconn still isn't used to the extra delays when one build finished :/ |
| 02:14:06 | Soap | sk, yes your ipod needs to be FAT32 |
| 02:14:26 | sk | i re-formatted as fat32 |
| 02:14:44 | Soap | and yea you need the apple firmware on there. |
| 02:14:50 | Soap | (I believe) |
| 02:15:10 | Nimdae | you don't really need the apple firmware unless you plan to boot it, as far as i know |
| 02:15:13 | Soap | since you are using parts of the apple firmware (USB, etc.) |
| 02:15:30 | Nimdae | i could be wrong ;) |
| 02:15:34 | Nimdae | i'm stupid :P |
| 02:15:39 | sk | lol |
| 02:15:46 | Soap | Rockbox uses Apple's disk mode, maybe that is hardware not on disk... |
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| 02:16:36 | Nimdae | well, i think what rockbox requires is in the patched bootloader (i think) |
| 02:17:15 | sk | im figuring that is why it says there's no partition. ...this is what terminal says when i try to extract the apple firmware [ERR] Specified partition (0) does not exist: |
| 02:17:16 | sk | Part Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) |
| 02:17:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: Is the iPod Fat32 formatted and currently able to boot into the Apple firmware? |
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| 02:18:26 | sk | its fat32, but not with ipod firmware, im non a mac without pc available |
| 02:18:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well if it doesn't have the Apple firmware on it, it's somewhat impossible to extract it. |
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| 02:19:20 | Mikachu | sk: did you format the _whole_ disk as fat32, not just partition 2? |
| 02:19:37 | Mikachu | in that case you have to restore it first |
| 02:19:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: You need to have followed the instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
| 02:19:49 | sk | yeah, its that. but i wanted some advice |
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| 02:21:33 | sk | rockbox really need to make it install with HFS format |
| 02:22:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Installing with HFS+ would be pointless, since it won't run on HFS+ |
| 02:22:15 | Soap | That has been endlessly argued in the forums. |
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| 02:22:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | And nobody's yet come up with an argument for HFS+ beyond "I don't want to convert" |
| 02:22:45 | sk | lol ok, im new to rockbox |
| 02:22:53 | Soap | FAT32 is universal, and nobody who claims they want HFS has steped up to the plate and made it happen. |
| 02:23:27 | Soap | not to mention the fact HFS only helps ipods, and HFS ipods are a dying breed. |
| 02:24:54 | linuxstb | Paul_the_Nerd: Yes they have: 1) Apple fully don't support FAT32 ipods on Macs (they work, but if you try to upgrade, it converts it back to HFS); 2) IPL is hard/impossible to install on a FAT32 ipod on a Mac; 3) FAT32 appears to be slower - at least in my experience, it can take minutes for my Mac to mount it, I don't know about transfer speeds. |
| 02:25:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: 1 only applies to using it with iTunes (not in my opinion an argument for Rockbox), 2 is iPL, again not really an argument relating to Rockbox, and 3 is valid, even if it's really Apple refusing to support it well as a filesystem. |
| 02:26:01 | Soap | On point #2 - Apple ships only FAT32 ipods now, but if you update one on a Mac it gets converted to HFS+? |
| 02:26:09 | sk | are the intel macs and firmware for x86 OSX/ipods compatible with rockbox? |
| 02:26:23 | Soap | s/#2/#1 |
| 02:27:42 | Soap | and does this happen w/o having to recopy music? I was under the impression one of the cheif complaints about HFS+ in regards to Rockbox was the need to recopy all music after converting to fat32. |
| 02:27:42 | sk | so apple dont fully support fat32 on ipods on intel macs as well? |
| 02:27:57 | Soap | s/cheif/chief |
| 02:28:03 | Moos | amiconn: hi, there for a flipit question? |
| 02:28:13 | * | amiconn is here |
| 02:28:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: Apple don't really support Fat32 iPods on Macs at all. |
| 02:28:27 | linuxstb | sk: It makes no difference what CPU a Mac is using - they all run Mac OS X. |
| 02:29:04 | Moos | amiconn: can i< the color of text be changed (flipit) ex: here white color text then no possibility at all to read the text |
| 02:29:15 | sk | i wasnt sure if they kept the same format when they switched |
| 02:29:25 | Moos | +? |
| 02:29:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: That's why our installation instructions say "FromMacOSX" and not MacOSXonX86 or anything like that. |
| 02:30:07 | amiconn | ? :confoozled: ? |
| 02:30:47 | linuxstb | But my view is that if someone writes an HFS+ driver for Rockbox, we should accept it (subject to solving the problem of not bloating Rockbox for users not using HFS etc etc). Similarly, an ext2 filesystem could be nice - if someone else did the work... |
| 02:31:31 | Soap | what? No journaling? |
| 02:31:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: I certainly wouldn't object to it as long as it was either conditional in the build or only one filesystem driver was loaded at a time so it didn't eat up my audio buffer, yeah. |
| 02:31:50 | Moos | if the background color of the game is always white, why don't have the text in one predeterminate color (ex black) for have the possibility to read independently of the text color used on the core ?? |
| 02:31:56 | Moos | @ami |
| 02:31:56 | sk | so, somewhere along the process of installing rockbox, its unavoidable to use a pc? i dont mind, just to clarify |
| 02:32:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: Have you read the page I pasted a link to? |
| 02:32:32 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT3 |
| 02:32:51 | amiconn | Ah, strange. Flipit uses the global background colour instead of the default one. |
| 02:33:06 | * | amiconn wouldn't have noticed as he always uses the default colours |
| 02:33:08 | Moos | here was white, I can recheck |
| 02:33:21 | amiconn | I mean the global foreground colour of course |
| 02:33:42 | Moos | yes that was the fact I use white text color that show me this annoying thing |
| 02:34:25 | sk | i read the top line and thought it was the installation that ive already read but not for 3rd gen ipod as i have |
| 02:34:35 | sk | taking a look now |
| 02:35:00 | amiconn | White eagle on white background ;) |
| 02:35:17 | Moos | yeah :) |
| 02:35:39 | linuxstb | sk: If you can use Windows iTunes to restore your ipod, it will be a lot easier. But it's possible from a Mac. |
| 02:35:55 | Moos | just checked with black text color and it looks preatty good with the white backgroud |
| 02:36:16 | amiconn | The fix is a one-liner |
| 02:36:30 | sk | cool thanks. im reading it now, but generally is it a lot more complicated? |
| 02:36:56 | Soap | six extra steps |
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| 02:37:57 | * | Moos said red :) |
| 02:38:08 | RogerBacon | hey |
| 02:38:22 | RogerBacon | can anyone help me ? |
| 02:38:52 | Moos | just ask |
| 02:39:03 | amiconn | oops |
| 02:39:11 | RogerBacon | i want to add my toshiba gigabeat s ID to the source code and afther that compile it |
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| 02:39:28 | RogerBacon | lsusb give me that : Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp. |
| 02:39:36 | sk | the 3rd gen ipod is not in the partition table, is it un-supported? |
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| 02:40:54 | Moos | RogerBacon: markun is the core devloper of the Gigabeat port but apparently sleeping |
| 02:41:02 | RogerBacon | yes |
| 02:41:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: If the file isn't there yet, it means someone hasn't donated one for us yet. |
| 02:41:13 | RogerBacon | he tell me how to do that but now is offline :( |
| 02:41:25 | linuxstb | sk: No, it's just that no ipod 3g owner has donated their partition table to that wiki page... |
| 02:41:58 | Nimdae | on the ipod video, will enabling the hardware eq affect the software eq at all? like maybe the software eq utilizes the hardware eq rather than making the adjustments in software alone? |
| 02:42:07 | Moos | RogerBacon: mail him maybe ;) (if you are patient) |
| 02:42:08 | RogerBacon | exemple of a ID in libgphoto : {"Toshiba:Gigabeat", 0x0930, 0x000c, 0}, what the ID you like with my lsusb output ? |
| 02:42:13 | sk | linuxstb: ok thanks, is that the only way to solve my mini dilema? |
| 02:42:25 | RogerBacon | *yould |
| 02:43:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: They're completely independent... |
| 02:43:06 | Nimdae | ok |
| 02:43:21 | Nimdae | i like the controls of the soft eq better, but it kills the ipod :( |
| 02:43:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: Or get access to a windows PC for like, 30 seconds. |
| 02:43:55 | linuxstb | sk: Yes - or use Windows itunes... I don't think Apple's partitioning tools are capable of creating the strange partition layout used on ipods. |
| 02:44:24 | sk | Paul_the_Nerd: yes, lol, be simpler |
| 02:45:34 | sk | is there any way of requesting someone to send a partition table? |
| 02:46:50 | linuxstb | Maybe dan_a (the only dev with a 3g) can upload his - but he's not around at the moment. |
| 02:46:54 | Moos | amiconn: the build server didn't trigered your commits, and it react sloxly :( |
| 02:47:06 | Moos | *slowly |
| 02:47:51 | amiconn | patience... |
| 02:48:07 | Moos | hehe :) just wondering |
| 02:48:08 | amiconn | The build server will pick it up in a few minutes |
| 02:48:34 | amiconn | Yeah, I also often wonder about the order chosen b |
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| 02:48:41 | amiconn | y the build system to do things |
| 02:48:51 | Moos | I thought now it became quite performer but apparently still not *perfect* :) |
| 02:49:37 | amiconn | The build itself is fast, but the housekeeping now takes considerable time, and the order of things becomes strange if there are subsequent commits in the queue |
| 02:49:41 | Moos | also noticed the log commit msg appear before the build system begin |
| 02:49:56 | amiconn | ..like a later commit showing up on the frontpage before it's even built |
| 02:50:01 | Moos | yeah lots of builds for rockbox now :) |
| 02:50:19 | Moos | yeah that was I noticed too |
| 02:50:40 | sk | linuxstb: when is dan_a likely to be in here? |
| 02:51:22 | Moos | good night men |
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| 02:52:37 | linuxstb | sk: He's in the UK (I think), so he's sleeping at the moment. He's normally around most days though - so try again in about 8 hours... |
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| 02:53:22 | sk | linuxstb: cool thanks, im in the uk too |
| 02:53:41 | sk | just more awake at night |
| 02:54:37 | amiconn | Do 3gs come in several capacities? |
| 02:54:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | 20/40? |
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| 02:55:55 | sk | 15 and 20 i know of. i thought 40 as well |
| 02:56:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't know. |
| 02:56:32 | sk | not sure, seems about the time when hard drives were on the edge of being boosted significantly |
| 02:58:21 | Genre9mp3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPod_Models_Timeline.svg |
| 02:58:24 | aliask | amiconn: And 10gb (I don't know about other capacities, but I have a broken 10gb one) |
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| 03:00:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, 10, 15, 20, 30, AND 40? |
| 03:00:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | That chart is vague.. |
| 03:01:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | There's a green that isn't labelled, and I assume it's more 3Gs... |
| 03:01:10 | sk | theres a green colour not labeleld as any gen |
| 03:01:11 | Genre9mp3 | yes... I try to figure out, too |
| 03:01:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | I *think* it's 3G |
| 03:01:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because the 5.5G gets two shades as well |
| 03:01:51 | sk | yes, it has to be |
| 03:02:41 | Genre9mp3 | iPod Photo is 4g colour? or these 2 are different things? |
| 03:02:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | 4g Colour == Photo, yes |
| 03:03:14 | sk | i see. the colour changes shade when the same model gets a hard drive update/change |
| 03:03:18 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 03:04:26 | sk | so 3rd is 10, 15, 20, 30 and 40 |
| 03:04:51 | Genre9mp3 | yes.. |
| 03:05:02 | Genre9mp3 | just confirmed it by a table in Wikipedia |
| 03:05:27 | sk | yeah i know. i was being thorough |
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| 03:54:40 | anrdewmel | Hi, wondering if anybody out there can help me with some rockbox specific coding? |
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| 04:04:46 | aliask | anrdewmel: Sure |
| 04:05:51 | Genre9mp3 | anrdewmel: Isn't that andrewmel? |
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| 04:08:40 | anrdewmel | thanks, I am trying to recode some of the metronome.c however on the iPod there are no buttons left. So to add another option (I want to add 2 if I can) I need to set up a menu system. |
| 04:09:03 | anrdewmel | at present the volume is done with the << and >> buttons, and the scroll wheel does the beats per minute. |
| 04:09:25 | anrdewmel | I want to add beats per bar so in 4/4 time every fourth note is a different sound. |
| 04:10:16 | aliask | So I guess you're after how to set up a menu? |
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| 04:10:37 | rigel | this patch #1656 on today's build, how do i use that |
| 04:10:46 | rigel | er |
| 04:10:48 | rigel | 5166 |
| 04:11:38 | aliask | rigel: That patch has been merged with CVS, you don't need to apply it. |
| 04:12:02 | Mikachu | maybe if you read the linked-to spec and the comments, it will be explained |
| 04:12:08 | Mikachu | or you can wait until the manual is updated |
| 04:12:34 | anrdewmel | I am thinking that having << and >> scroll through three lines on the screen, volume, bpm, and bbb |
| 04:12:57 | anrdewmel | and have the scrollwheel change the settings of the highlit option |
| 04:13:05 | anrdewmel | and use similar buttons for other players. |
| 04:13:08 | Mikachu | so you want your menu to be the exact opposite of every other menu? |
| 04:13:09 | rigel | i dont see a link like that Mikachu |
| 04:13:47 | anrdewmel | I dont mind which way it is, and am happy to chang it |
| 04:13:51 | Mikachu | "Patch to implement spec at http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging" |
| 04:13:53 | aliask | Yeah, I suggest you just set up a regular menu for consistency, rockbox is already a all oer the place. |
| 04:14:18 | rigel | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20061020.html thats the page i was at |
| 04:14:33 | jhMikeS | amiconn: don't know if you're around but I guess the display driver becomes an 8-bit intf. when DIT=0 and uses DB17-10 instead of DB17-9 so it's documented in a way. |
| 04:14:34 | anrdewmel | what i am really looking for is how to put a line like this one |
| 04:14:35 | anrdewmel | rb->snprintf(buffer, sizeof(buffer), "BPM: %d ",bpm); |
| 04:14:37 | Mikachu | rigel: ah, maybe you want rockbox.org/tracker/5166 |
| 04:14:37 | rigel | thx |
| 04:14:43 | anrdewmel | but have it with the line highlit? |
| 04:15:12 | Mikachu | that's not the line that renders the text to the screen |
| 04:15:58 | anrdewmel | when I added this line |
| 04:16:00 | anrdewmel | rb->snprintf(buffer, sizeof(buffer), "Beats Per Bar: %d",bpb); |
| 04:16:06 | anrdewmel | it added that text to the screen.... |
| 04:16:27 | anrdewmel | ahhh, I see, that puts it in the buffer, then |
| 04:16:34 | anrdewmel | rb->lcd_puts(20, 7, buffer); |
| 04:16:34 | aliask | Yep, you got it |
| 04:16:37 | anrdewmel | puts it to the screen |
| 04:16:58 | anrdewmel | so I guess I need to change that second line to make it reversed? |
| 04:17:03 | anrdewmel | Highlit? |
| 04:17:22 | jhMikeS | But IM pins are to be Gnd/Gnd/Vcc/Vcc for 8-bit and not Vcc/Gnd/Vcc/Vcc...go figure |
| 04:18:08 | aliask | anrdewmel: I suggest you just use the built in menu code, it takes care of the navigation and highlighting etc |
| 04:19:42 | anrdewmel | can you point me to some example code I can pinch? |
| 04:20:09 | aliask | I think the solitaire plugin uses the menu code, but from memory it's a bit complicated. I'll look for a better example. |
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| 04:24:12 | aliask | anrdewmel: jpeg.c has a reasonably easy to understand menu system. |
| 04:25:16 | anrdewmel | will I be able to put the current settings on the menu line? I would like it to look like this...... |
| 04:25:20 | anrdewmel | vol -20 |
| 04:25:26 | anrdewmel | bpm 120 |
| 04:25:29 | anrdewmel | bbb 4 |
| 04:25:43 | anrdewmel | and have one lit, and when you push buttons that one changes up or down? |
| 04:25:55 | anrdewmel | anyway, having a look at it now :) |
| 04:26:30 | aliask | I don't think so, but there was a patch to do just that which I quite liked. Wonder why it never got looked at. |
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| 04:29:37 | Mikachu | aliask: nobody ever actually looks at patches unless you nag them every day :) |
| 04:30:09 | aliask | That one was pretty well kept up, and was working on many platforms. I think amiconn didn't like it or something... don't really remember |
| 04:31:12 | anrdewmel | the problem I have with using a menu setup like that one, is it will take more button pushes do get what you want done. it would be nice to have the three (eventually 4) options on the screen with their current settins, two buttons to navigate that list, and two others to adjust the currently selected option. |
| 04:33:25 | aliask | anrdewmel: If you really want to implement that, I'll give you a few clues for highlighting etc. |
| 04:33:39 | anrdewmel | that would be great thanks. :) |
| 04:34:07 | aliask | If you set the drawmode to inverse, it will flip the existing colours. So set it to inverse, and draw a rectangle over the text |
| 04:34:34 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI |
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| 04:35:02 | aliask | You'll need to calculate where the text is going to be, and take into account that different fonts can be used. |
| 04:35:04 | anrdewmel | thanks for that. time to play a little and see what I can get going :) |
| 04:35:22 | aliask | Okidoke. Good luck :) |
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| 08:26:16 | amiconn | aliask: So far nobody has come up with a way to make options and values on the same screen look good at different resolutions and font sizes |
| 08:26:48 | amiconn | Plus, the current scrolling lines system doesn't support it |
| 08:26:59 | aliask | That patch came pretty close I would have thought. |
| 08:27:16 | aliask | Ah except maybe for scrolling. |
| 08:27:20 | amiconn | The trigger settings screen on archos uses such a layout, and it looks like major crap |
| 08:27:49 | amiconn | A two-line design would be a huge waste of screen space |
| 08:32:06 | anrdewmel | is it possible to just compile one plugin, and put that compiled .rock file onto my iPod? |
| 08:32:25 | scorche | no |
| 08:32:29 | anrdewmel | bugger. |
| 08:32:55 | scorche | you can still compile and copy the .rock file though....generally |
| 08:33:04 | anrdewmel | guess I am going to have to work out how to use a simulator, otherwise small code changes take ages to test |
| 08:33:11 | anrdewmel | that will be lots quicker :) |
| 08:33:31 | Mikachu | if you just run make, it will only recompile your plugin |
| 08:33:41 | Mikachu | using the simulator is probably a good idea anyway |
| 08:34:10 | anrdewmel | when I type in make it seems to be compiling the whole thing. |
| 08:34:23 | Mikachu | yes, you have to do that the first time |
| 08:34:57 | amiconn | Hrmph, and the trigger screen even has a bug with larger fonts! |
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| 08:36:13 | klame | Whenever I have a song playing and I scroll through my songs/artists/whatever.. my song will stop playing until I stop scrolling.. I'm not using any EQ options, and about a "20" on the scroll speed setting.. Remedies? |
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| 08:47:51 | amiconn | klame: What target are you on, and what build are you using? |
| 08:51:46 | klame | No idea what you mean by "Target", and I'm on the latest daily build for 5G iPod |
| 08:52:11 | amiconn | Your target is iPod 5G then. |
| 08:52:37 | klame | Ah. New terminology. :) |
| 08:53:15 | amiconn | Rockbox runs on a quite large number of different devices nowadays, that's why I was asking |
| 08:53:48 | klame | Right. It seems like I'm scrolling faster than my HD can process it, so it takes away from the playback |
| 08:54:01 | amiconn | iPod 5G is problematic because of the large display, however, I thought the problem you are having would have been fixed a few weeks ago |
| 08:54:17 | amiconn | Instead of the music stopping, scrolling the list should become slow |
| 08:55:42 | klame | I have my scroll speed turned up pretty high, and that's when it started happening. Now even if I turn down the speed, it still scrolls the same. |
| 08:56:08 | amiconn | I have no real idea what's happening as I don't have a 5G. |
| 08:56:31 | amiconn | The scroll speed setting doesn't have to do with how fast you can scroll lists |
| 08:57:20 | klame | Scroll speed = speed that you would scroll? :o |
| 08:57:33 | klame | like, scrolls per revolution? |
| 08:57:51 | amiconn | No, Scroll speed == speed how fast text scrolls _horizontally_ in a line that doesn't fit the screen |
| 08:58:05 | klame | Ah. |
| 08:58:16 | Mikachu | did that patch that makes rendering faster when just the selector moves ever get merged? |
| 08:58:43 | amiconn | Hmm, but how do you set a scroll speed of 20? |
| 08:58:53 | amiconn | The range is 0 to 15 on all targets... |
| 08:59:52 | klame | You're right, I was thinking of the Scroll Step Size |
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| 09:00:23 | klame | Scroll speed is 11. :P |
| 09:00:39 | klame | But, it might be the fact that my battery is at about 10%. |
| 09:00:55 | Mikachu | scroll step size is also for horizontal scrolling |
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| 09:14:38 | powr-toc | is audioscrobler support in rockbox yet? |
| 09:15:15 | Mikachu | i hear it is |
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| 09:17:04 | dj-fu | lol |
| 09:17:15 | dj-fu | I've got an amd 64 3000+ nix server on a 100mbit pipe here in .nz |
| 09:17:23 | dj-fu | if that could help with the build |
| 09:18:39 | myzar | :3 |
| 09:18:42 | * | myzar eyes dj-fu |
| 09:18:53 | * | dj-fu eyes myzar |
| 09:19:00 | myzar | you should come on the anarchy dev vent dj-fu |
| 09:19:03 | myzar | ;x |
| 09:19:13 | myzar | <3 |
| 09:19:15 | dj-fu | what happened to anarcy dev |
| 09:19:17 | dj-fu | the irc kinda died |
| 09:19:20 | myzar | it's still up |
| 09:19:27 | myzar | the vent, that is |
| 09:19:30 | myzar | we moved to lcirc |
| 09:19:32 | dj-fu | ic |
| 09:20:10 | powr-toc | Mikachu: cool... |
| 09:20:39 | dj-fu | uh |
| 09:20:41 | dj-fu | what chan on lcirc? |
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| 09:26:51 | amiconn | ? |
| 09:27:00 | myzar | hi1u |
| 09:27:03 | myzar | hi2u* |
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| 09:29:34 | dj-fu | what chan on lcirc |
| 09:29:51 | dj-fu | isn't lcirc where the g0ts hang out |
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| 11:35:58 | JdGordon | evening all |
| 11:36:04 | amiconn | morning |
| 11:36:19 | anrdewmel | evening |
| 11:38:16 | JdGordon | amiconn: have you seen http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg55223#msg55223 ? |
| 11:39:12 | amiconn | no |
| 11:40:13 | amiconn | I don't see such behaviour on my player, and I can't imagine at all what may cause it |
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| 11:40:33 | amiconn | The problem was already reported on irc |
| 11:41:06 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 11:41:22 | amiconn | Regarding the vkeyboard stop problem, there's probably some action_signalscreenchange() missin |
| 11:41:23 | amiconn | g |
| 11:41:32 | JdGordon | ye, there is.. im about to fix that |
| 11:42:21 | * | amiconn stopped reading the forums regularly a while ago |
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| 11:44:18 | amiconn | Shutting down the player takes 4..5 seconds here if the disk is either already spinning, or doesn't need to be spun up (no settings change) |
| 11:44:57 | amiconn | This is mostly the hardware delay for discharging some power capacitors. Display is off long before the green led goes off after said delay |
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| 11:48:30 | anrdewmel | i am using vmware, if there are errors compiling a plugin, are the messages stored in a log somewhere? |
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| 11:49:53 | markun | anrdewmel: you can store them like this: "make 2> errors.txt" |
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| 11:50:05 | anrdewmel | thanks. |
| 11:51:00 | leftright | amiconn: studio10. is the menu shutdown the only way to switch the player off ?, |
| 11:51:16 | amiconn | It's the only way for _safe_ shutdown |
| 11:51:34 | leftright | ah, so there is another way |
| 11:51:41 | amiconn | Player has hardware poweroff, but we can't intercxept that because the timeout is too small (< 1 second) |
| 11:51:57 | amiconn | So using hardware poweroff might cause unsaved settings |
| 11:52:17 | amiconn | Same is true for recorder v1 |
| 11:52:36 | leftright | ok, so the menu shut down is the prefered way |
| 11:52:52 | amiconn | ...but the safe shutdown is a bit easier to use on recv1 - no menu item but a double-Off click in the browser |
| 11:53:14 | amiconn | That's unfortunately not possible on the player due to the lack of buttons |
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| 11:54:11 | amiconn | Safe shutdown on player isn't too hard though, just Menu->Minus->Play, either from browser or wps |
| 11:54:22 | leftright | uhuh, i recently aquired a player and rv1, i like the recoder, navigating it is very similar to the H1xx |
| 11:54:49 | leftright | I'm the guy who has the 25 second shutdown on the player, strange that |
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| 11:56:51 | amiconn | Hmm, do you use any special settings? What happens within those 25 seconds? |
| 11:57:15 | amiconn | Disk spinning up? down? Strange noises? Anything else? |
| 11:58:04 | leftright | just a sec, hold is on and i dont know how to switch it off |
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| 12:07:08 | amiconn | hrmph |
| 12:07:16 | * | amiconn found another old bug :/ |
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| 12:10:19 | scorche | amiconn: about how much are we off on rombox by again? |
| 12:10:55 | * | JdGordon wants to destroy kate |
| 12:10:55 | amiconn | ~1750 bytes for recv1 iirc |
| 12:11:15 | amiconn | Way more for fm and v2 :( |
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| 12:11:42 | scorche | how much about? |
| 12:12:04 | leftright | uggh, my player is exhibiting strange behaviour, its a second hand unit thats been abused, got it off ebay, batteries are full but it says they're flat, strange |
| 12:12:04 | amiconn | Almost 10KB |
| 12:13:01 | amiconn | leftright: Most likely causes: (1) Broken battery contacts (quite common problem but not too hard to fix if you have a little bit of soldering experience) |
| 12:13:12 | amiconn | (2) Batteries might be worn out |
| 12:13:41 | leftright | 1). its most likely one, I'll look into it. thanks for the info |
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| 12:14:01 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/repairbattery.html |
| 12:14:13 | leftright | thanks, I replaced the HDD, the wiki guide was good |
| 12:14:20 | JdGordon | grr.... can someone with a not retarted text editor please fix the (c) message in apps/recorder/keyboard.c bloody kate buggered it and editing it in kdevelop is no good either |
| 12:14:21 | amiconn | Describes the procedure for recv1 but player is almost identical |
| 12:14:28 | JdGordon | obviously my comp doesnt like utf-8 |
| 12:14:29 | leftright | ta |
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| 12:20:20 | amiconn | argh, he left... |
| 12:23:12 | amiconn | JdGordon: Now you replaced one strange character combination by another |
| 12:23:21 | amiconn | The source files used to be plain iso8859-1 |
| 12:23:40 | JdGordon | ye, i checked the diff before commiting and it looked good... i dont know how that happened... |
| 12:23:50 | JdGordon | * |
| 12:23:50 | JdGordon | - * Copyright (C) 2002 by Bj�n Stenberg |
| 12:23:51 | JdGordon | + * Copyright (C) 2002 by Bjön Stenberg |
| 12:23:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 12:23:51 | JdGordon | * |
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| 12:23:57 | amiconn | Linux editors are weird |
| 12:24:09 | amiconn | Why do they touch lines you don't edit? |
| 12:24:15 | JdGordon | i didnt... |
| 12:24:24 | amiconn | Yeah, that's what I mean |
| 12:24:24 | JdGordon | its either kate, of cvs or something |
| 12:24:41 | amiconn | Your editor obviously changed a line _you_ didn't touch |
| 12:24:44 | JdGordon | we have this argument every time it stuffs up :D |
| 12:25:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:25:34 | * | JdGordon would like to change the funny o to a regular one :p |
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| 12:27:04 | amiconn | ööööööööööööööööööööööö |
| 12:27:06 | amiconn | ;) |
| 12:27:23 | Stormy | hi there |
| 12:27:50 | Stormy | still no solution with the 80gb 5.5G ipod? |
| 12:27:57 | JdGordon | hmm... kate had no problem with me copying that into a file and saving it.. |
| 12:28:00 | barrywardell | JdGordon: i edited it back to normal using a hex editor. should i commit the change? |
| 12:28:06 | JdGordon | please |
| 12:28:38 | JdGordon | Stormy: there is a theory the guy who was working on it was kidnapped by apple lawyers... |
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| 12:30:00 | Stormy | :/ |
| 12:30:31 | Stormy | thats very bad |
| 12:30:45 | Stormy | because its totally unusable with the original firmware |
| 12:30:52 | amiconn | urrrck |
| 12:31:04 | * | amiconn hates yellow |
| 12:31:20 | JdGordon | yellow? |
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| 12:32:05 | JdGordon | thats odd... |
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| 12:32:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not caused by you... |
| 12:33:07 | JdGordon | ah, i missed a commit.. i thought that was from barrywardell's commit to fix the (c) and im thinking wtf?? :D |
| 12:34:00 | barrywardell | nope, just did my commit now! |
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| 12:42:30 | JdGordon | has anyone playyed with the random fodler advance condif gpluigin and have requestes for it? |
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| 12:44:29 | leftright | JdGordon: I ditched that Random feature because I was getting frequent white noise whilst using it, |
| 12:45:11 | JdGordon | really? thats odd... iv also had some odd playback with it.. but i dont know if its because of that or recent playback code changes |
| 12:45:30 | * | JdGordon has no idea why this would cause playback wierdness |
| 12:45:52 | * | JdGordon slaps self for the horrible typos 4 messages above |
| 12:46:17 | leftright | I'll wait for the other fellas to sort something out with regards to white noise before attempting that feature again |
| 12:46:46 | barrywardell | does anybody have a nice image of the Sansa for a sim? |
| 12:47:08 | leftright | I really disliked my ears being blasted by random white noise |
| 12:47:20 | JdGordon | white noise.. black silence!! |
| 12:47:32 | amiconn | black magic... |
| 12:47:34 | JdGordon | </swedish death metal lyrics> |
| 12:47:59 | leftright | market it, maybe you'll make a fortune |
| 12:48:33 | amiconn | leftright: Could you try a safe shutdown with the latest build? |
| 12:49:02 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: haha... Dark Tranquillity, right? |
| 12:49:04 | leftright | will try as soon as my batteries are charged, I'll come back to you |
| 12:49:10 | JdGordon | Genre9mp3: yup |
| 12:49:25 | amiconn | Btw, the player can't be shut down (hardware-wise) while it's charging |
| 12:50:27 | amiconn | But if you disconnect the charger and the new build tells you it can't shutdown because the batteries are charging, your player either has a hardware fault, or is another hardware variant we don't know yet |
| 12:50:36 | amiconn | What's your ROM version? |
| 12:50:59 | amiconn | (Info->Debug->View HW info) |
| 12:51:29 | leftright | just a sec amiconn, you're way ahead of me, need to plug charger into player |
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| 12:53:48 | leftright | amiconn: should the unit turn on with charger but without batteries installed ? |
| 12:54:52 | amiconn | No, the archos won't run from the charger only |
| 12:54:59 | amiconn | It will turn on but fail to operate |
| 12:55:21 | amiconn | It's a charger, not a standalone power supply |
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| 13:01:56 | leftright | amiconn: HW info ROM: 5.06 |
| 13:02:28 | amiconn | Hmm, same ROM version as mine, then |
| 13:03:08 | amiconn | I think the Studios always came with ROM 5.x. Known 5.x versions are 5.06 and 5.08 |
| 13:03:33 | amiconn | Earlier ROM versions are only known from Jukebox 5000 and 6000 |
| 13:03:49 | leftright | ah ok now it tells me "battery Charging" when I try and invoke shutdown from menu |
| 13:04:26 | leftright | when I boot it it says Jukebox ver5.08 |
| 13:04:29 | amiconn | Even when the charger isn't plugged? |
| 13:05:04 | amiconn | Yeah, this 5.08 is the archos firmware version, not necessarily identical to the rom version. Confusing, eh? |
| 13:05:39 | leftright | no, thats with charger plugged, and it shuts down immedaitely with charger unpligged, great |
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| 13:06:13 | amiconn | okay, nice |
| 13:06:19 | leftright | thanks |
| 13:06:28 | scorche | Bagder: you have your status as hidden on the forums? =P |
| 13:07:05 | leftright | guess that bug can be closed |
| 13:07:12 | Bagder | you mean online status? yes |
| 13:07:47 | Bagder | I can't see how it would be accurate so I rather not have it guess |
| 13:07:58 | amiconn | leftright: I didn't change anything in the shutdown procedure itself, just added proper reporting that it cannot shut down while charging |
| 13:08:20 | amiconn | We already had that for recorder and H300, but for player it was missing for some reason... |
| 13:08:46 | leftright | well today it works fine, maybe this is a tempremental player, wants attention |
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| 13:09:11 | * | scorche shrugs at Bagder |
| 13:09:35 | * | Bagder puts a funny sticker on scorche's back when he doesn't notice |
| 13:09:53 | * | scorche walks around the room aimlessly |
| 13:10:14 | leftright | but I can get it to shutdown whilst charging by holding down stop |
| 13:10:44 | amiconn | leftright: Oh? Mine doesn't shut down at all while charging. It just hangs in that case |
| 13:11:16 | amiconn | (or rather, it hung with Shutdown from the menu, holding Stop while charging does nothing |
| 13:11:49 | leftright | yep, mine shutsdown if I hold down stop with charger plugged in, |
| 13:12:41 | amiconn | Does it power on when it's off and you plug the charger? |
| 13:12:46 | leftright | unsing latest bleeding edge and default settings |
| 13:13:43 | leftright | no it doesn't power on when off and plug charger in |
| 13:14:11 | Arathis | just an offtopic question: does anybody know about a project similar to RB , but for mobilephones? I mean an alternative FW, not RB for mobilesphones |
| 13:14:39 | leftright | amiconn, I then press on and display shows battery charging |
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| 13:14:48 | amiconn | leftright: Hmm, so there seem to be 2 different hardware versions with identical rom versions. It's a mystery... |
| 13:15:01 | amiconn | Or maybe that's because mine is flashed? |
| 13:15:10 | amiconn | Is your unit flashable? |
| 13:15:16 | leftright | I then press and hold on again and the unit boots |
| 13:15:28 | leftright | I dont know will find out and do it |
| 13:15:43 | leftright | do you want me to flash it ? |
| 13:16:19 | amiconn | Info->Debug->View HW info, then cycle thorugh until you see "Flash:....." |
| 13:16:27 | leftright | k |
| 13:16:41 | amiconn | If it shows Flash:BF,D6 it's flashable, if you see question marks, it's not |
| 13:17:14 | amiconn | Please tell me the boot ROM version as well |
| 13:17:23 | leftright | yep Bf, D6 |
| 13:17:24 | amiconn | (comes one step afer Flash) |
| 13:17:41 | leftright | I'll flash it, |
| 13:17:52 | * | leftright goes to wiki |
| 13:18:14 | amiconn | Check the BootBox topic for the latest valid archos flash images |
| 13:19:02 | amiconn | FlashingRockbox is a bit outdated. The procedure is correct, the flash images and some explanations aren't correct anymore |
| 13:21:43 | amiconn | Did you check the Boot ROM version? |
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| 13:34:05 | * | petur wonders if we set the UDA ADC to power-down when not recording |
| 13:36:18 | preglow | we should |
| 13:36:27 | preglow | but i don't think so |
| 13:37:05 | leftright | amiconn: i have flashed, and i can still get it to switch off with charger plugged in by holding down stop |
| 13:37:34 | amiconn | That's really interesting and mysterious... |
| 13:37:59 | leftright | can i delete the .ajz file now that i have flashed ? |
| 13:39:40 | amiconn | Yes you can, just that it's not an .ajz |
| 13:39:50 | amiconn | The player bootfile is called archos.mod |
| 13:40:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:40:32 | leftright | unit is off, charger plugged in, display shows battery charging with battery voltage, if I press on unit wont switch on is this normal ? |
| 13:40:47 | amiconn | Enjoy fast boot... and rombox :) |
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| 13:41:02 | amiconn | It switches on with Play... that's a glitch in button actions... |
| 13:41:03 | leftright | yes its very fsat indeed :) |
| 13:41:25 | leftright | ah there it switches on thanks |
| 13:42:17 | leftright | thanks for your help |
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| 13:44:13 | leftright | the recorder is my favourite though, really like it, looking for a black one now :) |
| 13:44:40 | * | Bagder has a black recorder |
| 13:44:45 | * | amiconn 's recorder has white backlight and an 80GB hdd |
| 13:44:56 | Bagder | with white leds too |
| 13:45:23 | Bagder | even flash-chip replaced |
| 13:45:34 | amiconn | Mine was flashable out of the box |
| 13:45:35 | leftright | black is cool, night do the led mod and 8 meg ram mod, but that looks complicated |
| 13:45:44 | amiconn | (unlike my player) |
| 13:46:47 | leftright | annnddd going to upgrade HD to 120gigs so that all my music fits on one player |
| 13:47:02 | amiconn | So, some players can be shut down with the charger plugged, while others can't |
| 13:47:17 | leftright | well, i can do it with the one I have |
| 13:47:32 | * | leftright tries again |
| 13:47:58 | leftright | yep, with charger plugged in, long press on stop shuts it down |
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| 13:48:08 | amiconn | Now th equestion is whether we should keep the current behaviour for all of them (preventing shutdown with the charger plugged), or whether we should allow shutdown, and let rockbox hang on those where it's impossible |
| 13:48:42 | amiconn | Of course it would be best to find a way to detect this feature... |
| 13:49:13 | leftright | mine is a studio 10, originally |
| 13:49:29 | amiconn | Mine as well (but upgraded to 20GB) |
| 13:49:35 | leftright | snap |
| 13:50:43 | amiconn | leftright: The reason for your long shutdown delay before my latest fix was that the app layer allowed the shutdown event to be sent, but the firmware layer refused to process it (because the charger was connected). After the safety timeout (20 seconds) the shutdown was forced (and succeeded on your box) |
| 13:50:53 | amiconn | On my box, rockbox hung after 20 seconds... |
| 13:51:17 | leftright | aha, says me |
| 13:52:01 | amiconn | The 20GB disk was just the leftover from upgrading my recorder from 20 to 80GB |
| 13:52:50 | leftright | mine was from a broken Vaio notebook, amazing the personal info that was left on the drive |
| 13:53:21 | leftright | could have cleaned his bank account out |
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| 14:03:45 | PaulJam | JdGordon: you asked earlier about requests for the random folder plugin. here are mine: |
| 14:03:56 | JdGordon | yay, shoot |
| 14:04:45 | petur | anybody against adding spindown control to the jpeg viewer? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5653) |
| 14:04:49 | PaulJam | 1. it would be nice if the plugin has vertical screen scroll like in the browser. so if you hold left/right the whole screen scrolls lef/right. |
| 14:05:50 | preglow | petur: sounds neat |
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| 14:07:38 | JdGordon | PaulJam: should be easy to do... |
| 14:07:42 | PaulJam | 2. another thing i'd like to see is some possibility to have a blacklist and a whilelist of folders that get included while scanning. so at firs it would only scan the scan the folders and subfolders in the whitelist (if it is present) and then apply the blacklist on the results and remove the folders and subfolders from the blacklist. |
| 14:07:49 | amiconn | petur: I don't think it's really necessary, but if you think so... |
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| 14:08:06 | preglow | petur: amiconn doesn't think anything is necessary, don't listen to him ;) |
| 14:08:08 | petur | amiconn: :p |
| 14:08:55 | amiconn | I would just do it the right way for when it should spin down immediately - use ata_sleep() |
| 14:09:09 | amiconn | Iirc that's even already in the plugin api, for video.rock |
| 14:09:15 | petur | oh |
| 14:09:20 | petur | nice tip |
| 14:09:25 | JdGordon | PaulJam: wouldnt it be simpler and work the same with just having a blacklist? |
| 14:09:38 | amiconn | This is what playback uses as well after buffering etc |
| 14:10:01 | petur | amiconn: but for short times I still think it's better to keep the disk spinning |
| 14:10:18 | lini | hi, i am having a problem with my ipod and recent CVS builds - it refuses to start when i press select |
| 14:10:26 | amiconn | ata_sleep() spins down with a minimal delay (half a second) irrespectively of the spindown setting |
| 14:10:30 | lini | sometimes i see a low battery warning |
| 14:10:50 | lini | however if i reboot it with menu+select it boots normally and battery is at 80% or more |
| 14:11:26 | amiconn | petur: Perhaps, really can't tell. I don't use slideshow mode and only very occasionally use the multi-file capability |
| 14:11:37 | petur | amiconn: I mean if they set slideshow time to 4 seconds, you'll get constant power-up/down cycles |
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| 14:11:58 | * | petur has started using it recently, hence the changes |
| 14:12:28 | petur | I admit the screen is too small to be really usefull |
| 14:12:33 | amiconn | yes, but the break even time (where it pays off to spin down vs. letting it spin) is probably shorter than you might think |
| 14:13:08 | petur | starting costs more energy than keeping it spinning |
| 14:13:10 | amiconn | I did some experiments with video.rock back then, which needs to rebuffer every ~20 seconds on stock archos recorder |
| 14:13:19 | PaulJam | JdGordon: blacklist only would be ok too. my idea with the whitelist was that once i created it i wouldn't have to care if i rename one of the folders that aren't inside the whitelist. with only a blacklist i'd have to edit it in this case. |
| 14:13:43 | amiconn | Spinning down & up again every 20 seconds led to longer battery runtime than letting it spin all the time |
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| 14:14:22 | petur | amiconn: sure. but in the 1-5 seconds range that won't hold true |
| 14:14:52 | amiconn | Perhaps not. Would be worth an experiment in fact... |
| 14:15:22 | JdGordon | PaulJam: meh.. i undertsnad.. but whitelist is a bigger PITA then a blacklist to code :D |
| 14:15:32 | JdGordon | actually.. maybe not.. |
| 14:16:24 | * | amiconn wants a bluelist ;P |
| 14:16:56 | * | JdGordon thought green always looked better actually... |
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| 14:18:10 | amiconn | petur: I think the jpeg viewer could just set spin down delay to slideshow_timeout + 2 if slideshow_timeout < 20, and not touch it at all otherwise |
| 14:18:36 | markun | amiconn: the star game looks really pretty now! |
| 14:18:47 | amiconn | For slideshow_timeout >= 20 it could use ata_sleep() for spinning down immediately in slideshow mode |
| 14:19:13 | amiconn | In manual mode I wouldn't touch the spindown thing at all |
| 14:19:37 | amiconn | Just take into account that loading the image might take a while, even longer than the slideshow timeout itself |
| 14:20:02 | petur | amiconn: I was thinking more in the 10+ seconds range |
| 14:20:22 | petur | or maybe less... to be tested |
| 14:20:37 | amiconn | ? |
| 14:20:45 | amiconn | 20 would be 10+, wouldn't it? |
| 14:21:22 | petur | yes, so 10+ seconds cause powerdown, you proposed 20+ |
| 14:21:39 | petur | I'll see what it gives |
| 14:23:03 | amiconn | Choose the average... |
| 14:23:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam: no, im pretty sure i can do both lists easily |
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| 14:23:39 | amiconn | markun: It could be made even better for gigabeat by providing another set of tiles. 15x15 would be perfect for its LCD |
| 14:24:14 | PaulJam | petur: i just saw that if you are not in slideshow mode the loading screen in the jpegviewer is still shown. wouldn't it be good to only show the progessbar in manual mode too? |
| 14:24:34 | PaulJam | JdGordon: nice :) |
| 14:25:11 | Kitt0s | is it possible to render images on the bootloader? |
| 14:25:15 | amiconn | The nice thing is that you now don't even need to touch star.c at all for adding a new set of tiles. Just create the bitmap and add it to apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCE. That's it |
| 14:25:35 | petur | PaulJam: don't know. It only bothers me in slideshow mode |
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| 14:26:39 | amiconn | petur: The grayscale jpeg viewer now displays no loading indication at all in slideshow mode |
| 14:26:49 | amiconn | That's certainly not good... |
| 14:27:03 | petur | quickfix, I know |
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| 14:27:38 | petur | must check how to use GS to do it |
| 14:28:49 | amiconn | The grayscale lib needs to be extended in order to allow the progress bar and not permanently leave that space free |
| 14:29:42 | [1]leftright | could someone please close bug 6201 |
| 14:30:04 | amiconn | The jpeg viewer uses the grayscale library in unbuffered mode, which only provides minimal functionality |
| 14:30:22 | amiconn | (just greyscale bitmap display and scrolling) |
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| 14:31:15 | * | petur considers leaving this to the creator of gslib ;) |
| 14:31:34 | Kitt0s | is there a reverse cmd for bmp2rb/ |
| 14:31:34 | Kitt0s | ? |
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| 14:33:33 | amiconn | Kitt0s: No, why? |
| 14:33:55 | Kitt0s | cuz i have a bmp img in that layout and i wanna save it as bmp |
| 14:34:15 | Bagder | Kitt0s: make a screenshot |
| 14:34:15 | amiconn | You can of course display the bitmap and make a screenshot |
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| 14:34:23 | Kitt0s | of what? |
| 14:34:25 | Kitt0s | i have this |
| 14:34:25 | Kitt0s | const unsigned short bmp[] = { |
| 14:34:26 | Kitt0s | 0xaeff, 0x7d16, 0x3229, |
| 14:34:27 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Kitt0s |
| 14:34:27 | Kitt0s | .... |
| 14:34:27 | Kitt0s | } |
| 14:34:40 | Kitt0s | and i wanna see it as an image |
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| 14:37:26 | Kitt0s | what do you think, Bagder? |
| 14:39:00 | amiconn | petur: I am thinking about a gray_set_clip(x, y, w, h) function which would restrict the displayed area. Passing -1 as width & height would restore the full area |
| 14:39:19 | amiconn | (or maybe it's better to provide a separate funtion for this?) |
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| 14:40:06 | amiconn | Areas not covered by the grayscale overlay can show standard gfx today, you just need to stay away from lcd_update(_rect)() and use gray_deferred_update() instead |
| 14:40:48 | petur | ok |
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| 14:43:26 | amiconn | Unfortunately I have other pending changes for the grayscale lib which aren't finished yet, and will take some time to finish... |
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| 14:43:38 | amiconn | (scrolling enhancements in unbuffered mode) |
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| 14:43:53 | PaulJam | wasn't the commit at 21 Oct 10:00 supposed to fix the stopping of playback when exiting the virtual keyboard by pressing stop? (h300) |
| 14:44:19 | JdGordon | it didnt? |
| 14:45:15 | PaulJam | on my patched build and in a cvs uisim it still stopps playback |
| 14:45:38 | JdGordon | oh damn... that should have done it |
| 14:46:11 | JdGordon | didnt stop playback here... |
| 14:46:19 | JdGordon | how do u get to the vk from the wps anyway? |
| 14:46:51 | JdGordon | ah... from the file browser.. |
| 14:47:47 | JdGordon | ok, missed a return.. |
| 14:50:42 | JdGordon | ok, this is wierd.... kate has the file open as utf8.. and cvs diff shows the ö correctly... but i bet when i commit it the ö will go funny... |
| 14:50:50 | JdGordon | so the problem is with cvs? |
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| 14:53:33 | amiconn | No, the files are not utf-8 |
| 14:53:53 | JdGordon | cvs converts then to iso? |
| 14:53:53 | amiconn | If kate decides to auto-convert to utf-8, I'd say it's a kate bug |
| 14:54:08 | amiconn | cvs doesn't convert anything |
| 14:55:01 | JdGordon | so something is odd... |
| 14:55:23 | JdGordon | if i manuyally set it to iso the o goes funny |
| 14:57:21 | JdGordon | can someone add action_signalscreenchange(); to before return -1; at line 599 in apps/recorder/keyboard.c so i dont screw up the (c) again? |
| 14:57:39 | Kitt0s | so there is no way to reverse bmp2rb? |
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| 14:58:29 | Bagder | yes there is |
| 14:58:34 | Bagder | we already told you |
| 14:58:38 | TerrorByte | huh? |
| 14:58:54 | Kitt0s | how? |
| 14:59:02 | Kitt0s | make a screenshot? i don't understand |
| 14:59:04 | TerrorByte | whats going on? |
| 14:59:13 | Bagder | Kitt0s: display the image, make a screenshot |
| 14:59:25 | TerrorByte | what I dont understand, is how to encode a video using mpeg2enc... |
| 14:59:26 | Bagder | then you have a bmp of it |
| 14:59:53 | Kitt0s | ahh i understand :] i just want to view it really.. how do i do that? |
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| 15:01:05 | * | leftright is sipping an cold beer after a hard days couching errr work |
| 15:01:06 | PaulJam | TerrorByte: at the bottom of this page is a description how to convert videos: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
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| 15:03:11 | TerrorByte | okay i'll look at that... |
| 15:03:15 | TerrorByte | and see if i can get it done |
| 15:03:17 | TerrorByte | still confusing though |
| 15:03:18 | TerrorByte | brb |
| 15:03:54 | Kitt0s | Bagder? |
| 15:03:56 | TerrorByte | Bagder: also |
| 15:03:58 | TerrorByte | sry... |
| 15:04:09 | TerrorByte | also, when i convert, the video quality turns into crap |
| 15:04:14 | TerrorByte | unlike elephant's dream. |
| 15:04:17 | | Part leftright |
| 15:04:18 | TerrorByte | which looks amazing btw |
| 15:04:59 | anrdewmel | TB, do you mean it looks crap on your pc, or your DAP? |
| 15:05:46 | JdGordon | ok, the problem really is kate... editing in vim doesnt cause it |
| 15:05:58 | JdGordon | of course.. vim is painful to code in... but what can you do? :'( |
| 15:06:02 | TerrorByte | Bagder: on my h10 |
| 15:06:06 | TerrorByte | damn |
| 15:06:16 | TerrorByte | on my h10 |
| 15:06:17 | TerrorByte | sorry badger |
| 15:06:27 | TerrorByte | when i tab to another window, ur name comes up |
| 15:06:27 | TerrorByte | sry |
| 15:06:50 | TerrorByte | thats why i wann know the exact process used to convert elephant's dream |
| 15:07:07 | TerrorByte | i have no idea how to use mpeg2enc with quantization -6........... |
| 15:08:05 | Kitt0s | Bagder, how can i display the image? |
| 15:09:11 | TerrorByte | my video looks okayish on the h10 and runs at fps of 18.7 |
| 15:09:22 | TerrorByte | how do i increase the fps? |
| 15:09:26 | TerrorByte | im using vlc player to convert......... |
| 15:12:01 | anrdewmel | TerrorByte, see this line |
| 15:12:02 | anrdewmel | Important: mpeg2 allows only some very specific framerates. If encoding fails, it's likely that your source framerate doesn't comply. To change the frame rate, add fps=25 or fps=29.97 in transcode{...}. (This applies to the following .bat file too) |
| 15:12:08 | anrdewmel | on this page |
| 15:12:10 | TerrorByte | Yes. |
| 15:12:14 | anrdewmel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 15:12:19 | TerrorByte | I tried adding fps=25. |
| 15:12:29 | anrdewmel | and? |
| 15:12:32 | TerrorByte | The fps on my h10 was at 18.7 |
| 15:12:45 | anrdewmel | How do you know? |
| 15:12:52 | TerrorByte | i transferred it? |
| 15:12:56 | TerrorByte | and went to display fps? |
| 15:13:31 | anrdewmel | on the H10? It has that function? |
| 15:13:31 | PaulJam | JdGordon: it works now (no stopping), thanks |
| 15:13:36 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:13:39 | TerrorByte | Yes, it does! |
| 15:13:48 | TerrorByte | With rockbox.... |
| 15:13:54 | TerrorByte | mpegplayer? |
| 15:14:05 | TerrorByte | not iriver firmware.... |
| 15:14:08 | obo | TerrorByte: that's the fps that the plugin is displaying the movie at, not the fps it's encoded at |
| 15:14:08 | TerrorByte | rockbox |
| 15:14:30 | TerrorByte | okay whats the fps elephant's dream is encoded at? |
| 15:14:38 | obo | no idea :) |
| 15:14:46 | TerrorByte | would it be higher tha 25/ |
| 15:14:46 | TerrorByte | ? |
| 15:15:09 | amiconn | nop |
| 15:15:11 | amiconn | e |
| 15:15:19 | TerrorByte | What would it be then? |
| 15:15:26 | amiconn | elephant's dream is encoded at 25fps as well |
| 15:15:28 | TerrorByte | How does it manage to run at 25 fps on the h10? |
| 15:15:33 | TerrorByte | and my video does not? |
| 15:15:39 | amiconn | However, most targets cannot display it realtime |
| 15:16:04 | TerrorByte | but im following the same thing... |
| 15:16:21 | TerrorByte | elephants dream runs at 25.... and my vids run at 18-19ish |
| 15:16:24 | amiconn | Depends on how large the video is. Of course the widescreen version will play faster than the fulklscreen version, because it covers less screen area |
| 15:16:49 | Kitt0s | does the simulator also simulates the bootloader? |
| 15:16:55 | TerrorByte | the fullscreen of elephants dream runs at 25. |
| 15:16:56 | amiconn | no |
| 15:17:00 | TerrorByte | my fullscreen vids dont |
| 15:17:11 | dionoea | try changing the bitrate maybe |
| 15:17:12 | Kitt0s | amiconn, no for teh simulator? |
| 15:17:20 | TerrorByte | to a lower or higher number? |
| 15:17:29 | TerrorByte | what exactly does bitrate represent? |
| 15:17:29 | dionoea | lower i guess ... |
| 15:17:30 | TerrorByte | quality? |
| 15:17:33 | amiconn | Playback speed also depends on the video itself, i.e. how hard it is to decode |
| 15:17:39 | dionoea | higher bitrate means higher quality |
| 15:17:43 | TerrorByte | ah |
| 15:17:46 | TerrorByte | okay i'll lower bitrate |
| 15:17:51 | dionoea | and you could also tweak the encoder settings |
| 15:17:52 | TerrorByte | give you the results in a min |
| 15:18:00 | TerrorByte | tweak encoder settings? |
| 15:18:01 | amiconn | It will stay like that until enough optimisation is applied |
| 15:18:31 | dionoea | use or not use some features of mpeg2 which might make it faster/slower to decode |
| 15:18:43 | TerrorByte | and how do i do that? |
| 15:18:55 | dionoea | i honestly don't have a clue :) |
| 15:19:35 | dionoea | are you runing linux or windows ? |
| 15:19:40 | TerrorByte | windows on this comp |
| 15:19:51 | dionoea | encoding with mencoder or VLC ? |
| 15:19:59 | TerrorByte | vlc |
| 15:20:04 | TerrorByte | using the batch file |
| 15:20:44 | dionoea | well you could try opening the preferences in the interface, go in input/Codecs->other->ffmpeg and see what settings are intersting (click the "advanced options" checkbox first) |
| 15:20:52 | Kitt0s | does the simulator also simulates the bootloader? |
| 15:21:06 | amiconn | nope. I already answered that |
| 15:21:24 | TerrorByte | wait, where is the dionaoe? |
| 15:21:33 | dionoea | the what ? |
| 15:21:46 | TerrorByte | okay im there |
| 15:22:02 | TerrorByte | ya i have no idea what any of that means |
| 15:22:22 | dionoea | not really :) |
| 15:22:42 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
| 15:23:24 | mirak | dionoea: you can try to not use B or P frames, I don't remember wich ones, to the expense of less compression |
| 15:23:56 | Mikachu | TerrorByte: isn't ED widescreen? |
| 15:24:14 | dionoea | TerrorByte: try changing the ffmpeg-hq ffmpeg-keint and ffmpeg-bframes options |
| 15:25:14 | dionoea | i'd guess: use rd for ffmpeg-hq |
| 15:25:34 | dionoea | use a high number for keyint (like 25 or 50) |
| 15:25:50 | dionoea | and don't use B frames (so put like 0) |
| 15:26:11 | dionoea | but then these are just wild guesses |
| 15:26:50 | TerrorByte | ed is fullscreen and widescreen |
| 15:27:19 | dionoea | i don't know if interlacing the video would make it decode faster ... anyon here have a clue ? |
| 15:27:32 | TerrorByte | wait, where is ffmpeg-hq? |
| 15:28:14 | dionoea | and enable trellis quantization |
| 15:30:13 | dionoea | hq should be named something like "quality level" |
| 15:30:19 | Soap | you want the interlacing option to match the input file, don't you? VLC isn't the best program for doing a reverse-telecine. |
| 15:30:32 | TerrorByte | and keyint? |
| 15:30:42 | Soap | doom9.org |
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| 15:30:54 | dionoea | Ratio of keyframes |
| 15:30:56 | tucoz | Hi |
| 15:31:19 | tucoz | do we really want a warpable volume select in the options? |
| 15:31:38 | obo | Thanks for the last.fm entry tucoz |
| 15:32:26 | TerrorByte | okay, where is trellis quantization? |
| 15:32:36 | TerrorByte | i see it |
| 15:32:43 | TerrorByte | so i changed |
| 15:32:46 | TerrorByte | key frames |
| 15:32:48 | TerrorByte | hq quality |
| 15:32:54 | TerrorByte | and trellis quantizer |
| 15:32:54 | TerrorByte | anything else? |
| 15:33:03 | tucoz | obo. no problem. Should I change anything? |
| 15:33:22 | Soap | TerrorByte - after changing so many variables, you won't learn anything. |
| 15:33:29 | TerrorByte | yeah |
| 15:33:37 | TerrorByte | i wont learn anything after changing even one thing |
| 15:33:41 | Soap | If you want to figure out how to increase framerate, you need to change one variable at a time. |
| 15:33:49 | tucoz | I didn't add links to the tools though. I think rockbox should at least host some tool before we describe them in the manual. |
| 15:33:55 | obo | It should be after the headphone unplug - I don't know if it's a good idea to link it to the wiki page? |
| 15:33:56 | TerrorByte | im hoping someone just tells me how ED was encoded |
| 15:34:21 | dionoea | with mencoder i think |
| 15:34:23 | Soap | different material is going to run at different framerates when the CPU is pegged. |
| 15:34:29 | TerrorByte | was it really? |
| 15:34:35 | TerrorByte | god, i have no idea how mencoder is used |
| 15:34:40 | obo | tucoz: fair enough. Also, I noticed that make clean in a manual folder doesn't remove the html manual folder |
| 15:34:50 | Soap | are you on *nix or windows, TerrorByte? |
| 15:34:55 | TerrorByte | windows |
| 15:35:24 | Soap | I'm sure there are better programs, but you could use VirtualDub to see what the key frame ratio is on ED. |
| 15:35:52 | TerrorByte | i'll do that.... |
| 15:35:52 | Soap | It doesn't have a fancy tool for that, but you can manually count each type of frame. |
| 15:36:19 | TerrorByte | can vdub run .m2v? |
| 15:36:24 | tucoz | obo. ok. that should be fixed. |
| 15:36:41 | Soap | TerrorByte - yes |
| 15:36:48 | TerrorByte | huh |
| 15:36:49 | TerrorByte | it says |
| 15:37:03 | Soap | ahh, VirtualDubMod for mpg shit, my bad. |
| 15:37:03 | tucoz | obo. what is the link to the wiki? |
| 15:37:04 | TerrorByte | VirtualDub cannot decode MPEG-2 streams. |
| 15:37:11 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 15:37:15 | tucoz | to at least have some documentation. |
| 15:37:19 | TerrorByte | Is vdubMod a filter? |
| 15:37:19 | obo | tucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
| 15:37:23 | tucoz | thanks |
| 15:38:00 | Soap | vdubmod is a collection of unofficial patches and hacks. |
| 15:38:07 | Soap | does everything vdub does and more. |
| 15:38:37 | Soap | I forgot mpeg-2 only came with mod, sorry for leading you down the wrong path. |
| 15:38:41 | Soap | breakfast! |
| 15:39:26 | TerrorByte | no i got it done |
| 15:39:29 | TerrorByte | opened it in mod |
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| 15:40:32 | anrdewmel | night all. some progress made, but most of it was an increase in my understanding of how little I understand :( |
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| 15:46:01 | tucoz | obo: updated |
| 15:48:11 | obo | Thanks! |
| 15:49:09 | tucoz | hmm, wonder why a space is added after the scrobbler.log filename |
| 15:51:06 | TerrorByte | question |
| 15:51:11 | TerrorByte | when it says something like 300 kbps |
| 15:51:17 | TerrorByte | is that the same as a bitrate of 300? |
| 15:51:59 | TerrorByte | ? |
| 15:52:02 | PaulJam | TerrorByte: yes |
| 15:52:44 | TerrorByte | i see |
| 15:54:13 | tucoz | obo, do you think i should close the bug report regarding lack of last.fm description? |
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| 15:55:22 | tucoz | I guess i can :) |
| 15:55:26 | obo | tucoz: I guess so, with a note to improve the manual or wiki as needed? |
| 15:55:41 | tucoz | sure |
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| 16:03:07 | Soap | I don't follow the cause of the "bug" leading to the Last.FM log not recording the first track played in a playlist. Could one of you two explain it? |
| 16:03:09 | SmilinBob | the more i use rock box, the more i love it |
| 16:03:23 | SmilinBob | ^_^ |
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| 16:04:43 | obo | Soap: the track_changed event wasn't called for the first track played - it seems to be fixed for me, but someone reported that they still get the problem |
| 16:06:01 | Soap | When did this get fixed? I don't recall seeing that in the recent changes. |
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| 16:06:28 | obo | Soap: I think it was a useful by product of some of pondlifes changes to playback.c :) |
| 16:07:20 | SmilinBob | so are there already plans on having visualizations for rockbox, or would most devicen not be able to handle it? |
| 16:07:23 | Soap | I need to check that out, for now I start every playlist with a "dummy" song. |
| 16:07:48 | Kitt0s | does any1 use this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 |
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| 16:11:06 | Soap | Kitt0s - I don't believe anyone can use it on recent CVS. |
| 16:11:18 | Kitt0s | why Soap? |
| 16:11:33 | Kitt0s | im trying it on a 20060930 build |
| 16:11:38 | Kitt0s | fixing with the .rej :\ |
| 16:13:39 | Soap | Scrolling Acceleration on recent CVS is the holy grail in many people's eyes. It is probably the one patch from all (most) the unsupported builds which was lost and cried for the most. |
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| 16:14:09 | obo | Bagder: wiki spam - user AlanDavis - html attachments |
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| 16:15:32 | Soap | obo - where did you see that? I'm always looking for that, and I don't see it. What am I missing? |
| 16:15:48 | obo | Soap: diff between the 2 revisions |
| 16:15:52 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/AlanDavis?rev1=2;rev2=1 |
| 16:15:57 | Kitt0s | dam :\ |
| 16:16:40 | Soap | is that an attempt to hide the attachments from my eyes while still leaving it for the search engine spiders? |
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| 16:17:16 | Jaem | Hi everyone |
| 16:17:18 | obo | AFAIK it's hidden from everything, but available for direct links from another site/email.... |
| 16:17:36 | Arathis | Slasheri: btw: I tried to delete the file on my player using rockbox. it asked "yes/no", than I confirmed and it said "..deleted.." for a short time, but than I got a really colorfull display and the player froze. the file wasn't deleted either and I had to reset. |
| 16:17:48 | Jaem | I have some questions could anyone help me out? |
| 16:18:22 | Soap | not if you don't ask them Jaem ;) |
| 16:18:42 | Jaem | I have a 4G iPod and I just installed Rockbox |
| 16:19:05 | Jaem | Does it decrease battery life more than Apple OS |
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| 16:19:26 | Soap | Jaem - yes. |
| 16:19:30 | Soap | 50% or so. |
| 16:19:39 | Jaem | Really ? by alot? |
| 16:19:46 | Kitt0s | so what do you think, Soap, when will the scrolling acceleration will be commited to rockbox? |
| 16:20:16 | Jaem | Anyways I just installed it and I cant find my music anywhere? |
| 16:20:17 | dionoea | after the next release ? muhahahaha |
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| 16:20:33 | Soap | Kitt0s - I don't know. It hasn't been updated by anyone since the key changes in August which killed it. |
| 16:20:49 | Soap | Jaem - read up in the manual on Tag Cache |
| 16:21:07 | Kitt0s | too bad, it could attract alot of ipod users |
| 16:21:09 | Soap | which is how you need to access your music if you want to use itunes to add the music. |
| 16:21:20 | Soap | Kitt0s - fix it and become a hero to many. |
| 16:21:28 | Kitt0s | lol yea |
| 16:21:45 | Jaem | Yeah I did and I followed it but I still cant see any music |
| 16:22:40 | PaulJam | Jaem: have you changed the fileview to id3 database |
| 16:23:20 | Jaem | Yes |
| 16:23:25 | Soap | have you rebooted since commiting tag cache? |
| 16:23:37 | Jaem | yes i rebooted twive |
| 16:23:42 | Jaem | twice sorry |
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| 16:26:31 | Jaem | I stil cant find any list of albums or songs |
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| 16:29:41 | PaulJam | so what happens if you for example enter the artists folder in tagcache view? does it display an error? |
| 16:38:15 | Genre9mp3 | hey... the Recent CVS activity table is smaller than ever! |
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| 16:38:51 | Genre9mp3 | one file commits all the way |
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| 16:42:46 | * | petur tries a 3 file commit :) |
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| 16:54:08 | Kitt0s | settings.c:1795:1: error: unterminated #ifdef |
| 16:54:12 | Kitt0s | what does that mean? |
| 16:54:42 | PaulJam | propably a missing #endif |
| 16:55:59 | Kitt0s | and this |
| 16:56:00 | Kitt0s | settings.c: In function 'settings_save_config': |
| 16:56:02 | Kitt0s | settings.c:2037: error: 'name' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:56:04 | Kitt0s | settings.c:2037: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only onc |
| 16:56:06 | Kitt0s | settings.c:2037: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 16:56:08 | Kitt0s | settings.c:2038: error: 'value' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:57:01 | markun | Kitt0s: what do you not understand about those errors? |
| 16:57:10 | markun | They look pretty clear to me |
| 16:57:55 | Kitt0s | its undeclared :\ |
| 16:58:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup. |
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| 17:13:24 | leftright | JoeBorn: archos player: "Scroll speed settings" are transposed, +menu decreases values and vice vers |
| 17:13:40 | leftright | err thats JdGordon |
| 17:15:18 | leftright | oops he's gone |
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| 17:19:24 | obo | Paul_the_Nerd: do you think it would be worth adding a flat battery resurrection guide to the ipod faq? |
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| 17:20:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | obo: The instructions I give are actually Apple's official instructions for what to do when your iPod won't turn on. |
| 17:20:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or very close to them. |
| 17:21:04 | obo | ah, okay, didn't realise that. |
| 17:21:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm not sure what flipping the hold switch on and off does, but its something Apple tells you to do before trying to trigger the reset. |
| 17:22:36 | Soap | My suspicion was it was a subtle way to make sure the user had the hold switch fully in the off position. |
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| 17:23:29 | Soap | for if it wasn't fully in the off position and apple said "Make sure your hold switch is off" fools would say "Duh, it's off"\ |
| 17:23:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: No, there's been once where I couldn't get Menu+Select to work without doing it. Just once though |
| 17:24:07 | webguest84 | hi guys, are there known resource (memory probably) issues when compiling the rockbox code under cygwin ? my builds run into a resource limitation at the end. |
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| 17:24:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm wondering if it makes sure that whatever layer handles the reset is ready, or something. As someone said they managed to get the bootloader in a position where menu+select wouldn't work, but I never got to ask them if they tried Hold toggling |
| 17:25:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest84: Aren't resource limitations kinda dependent on the resources of your computer, anyway? |
| 17:25:38 | Soap | dang, and I so liked my theory. |
| 17:26:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: It could be yours still. It's possible that *I* was like "duh, it's off" ;) |
| 17:27:44 | SmilinBob | hmm... |
| 17:28:27 | SmilinBob | i had some how gotten to a screen that allowed me to change shuffle and repeat on the same screen, |
| 17:28:32 | SmilinBob | how did i do that? |
| 17:28:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | SmilinBob: That's the quickscreen. |
| 17:28:41 | webguest84 | I understand that Paul_the_Nerd. it just seems to me that cygwin has some issues with a compile project with the size of Rockbox.. am running it on a T2300 (1.66G) m640 laptop with 1G of memory.. which i assume would be enough (if processes and memory are properly de-allocated etc) |
| 17:28:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | SmilinBob: Hold Menu at the filetree |
| 17:28:59 | SmilinBob | ohh ok... |
| 17:29:07 | SmilinBob | i couldn't figure it out again... |
| 17:29:07 | SmilinBob | ^_^ |
| 17:29:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest84: I've run it on a less resourceful laptop before without problem, so it sounds like something on your end. |
| 17:29:47 | SmilinBob | cool |
| 17:29:49 | SmilinBob | thanks |
| 17:29:51 | SmilinBob | ^_^ |
| 17:32:32 | webguest84 | Paul_the_Nerd: thats good to hear... so i should be able to run it then... |
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| 17:35:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest84: Should be, yes. I use the VMWare image now, so things may have changed in the last few months, but it seems unlikely that it'd be that bad of a change. |
| 17:35:52 | davinci | whats that?: "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/d/rockbox/builds/061021/docs/CREDITS', needed by `/cygdrive/d/rockbox/builds/061021/build/credits.raw'. Stop." |
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| 17:36:33 | davinci | can somebody help me with it? |
| 17:37:24 | webguest84 | Paul_the_Nerd: i reckon the problem lies with cygwin, and is not related to Rockbox... |
| 17:38:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest84: Seems somewhat likely. The system I was building it on only had 256mb of ram, though it was a bit faster, and I had no problems at all. |
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| 17:40:54 | webguest84 | Paul_the_Nerd: mmh so i might even get me a linux within vmware to do the job .... either that or go thru the hassel of installing a dualboot configuration (i tried Ubuntu on it before all worked fine..except the wireless adapter.... :( ) |
| 17:41:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd try out the VMWare first. |
| 17:42:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | The only drawback of it is the disk space, other than that it works really really well |
| 17:43:29 | webguest84 | yes i'll give that a go.. |
| 17:43:32 | davinci | paul, do you have any idea what that message meens? |
| 17:45:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | davinci: Nope. |
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| 17:48:53 | lex | ipod video ordered |
| 17:49:32 | Kasperle | the /cygdrive/d "path" doesn't really exist, i.e. /cygdrive won't be shown when you ls / ... maybe that's confusing make |
| 17:52:25 | davinci | the patch does exists because there are no problems with patching and compiling the code before |
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| 17:53:55 | davinci | but |
| 17:53:57 | davinci | $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 17:53:57 | davinci | cvs checkout: warning: failed to open /home/Alexander/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory |
| 17:54:21 | Kasperle | that's not an error |
| 17:54:45 | davinci | but cvs doesn't find the directory? |
| 17:54:45 | webguest84 | one of the patches perhaps? |
| 17:54:48 | PaulJam | it sometimes helps to run make clean (or make veryclean) before running make |
| 17:54:49 | Kasperle | you can safely ignore that. that's just a file where cvs can store passwords so that you don't need to enter them later when using cvs login |
| 17:55:06 | davinci | ok |
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| 17:55:32 | davinci | i'll try to compile withput patches |
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| 18:07:34 | TomHu | hello all |
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| 18:07:46 | markun | hi TomHu |
| 18:08:02 | TomHu | I hope you guys can help me |
| 18:08:06 | TomHu | bold statement :s |
| 18:08:43 | TomHu | I'm looking for a new harddisc music player and I really want to use rockbox with that, yet I don't want an iPod for religous reasons |
| 18:09:27 | markun | your are left with a iriver or iaudio I think |
| 18:09:31 | TomHu | however, the the rockbox site doesnt go into alot of detail how well the supported players work etc.etc. |
| 18:09:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | If you want something that is probably the most supported with the most functionality, either the iRiver H100 or H300 series, though they're a bit harder to find. |
| 18:10:16 | davinci_ | Kasperle, any ideas? ^^ |
| 18:10:21 | TomHu | sounds good |
| 18:10:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | For something a little bit newer the iAudio X5 is really quite well supported, but still gets only about 80% of the retail battery life if I understand correctly. |
| 18:10:37 | markun | TomHu: If you are prepared to wait a bit the Gigabeat F and X will also be an option |
| 18:10:52 | TomHu | markun what's that? |
| 18:11:10 | markun | a player by Toshiba, we are working on the port |
| 18:11:37 | markun | one of us booted the rockbox kernel for the first time last night, but it didn't get very far. |
| 18:11:50 | TomHu | mmhh |
| 18:14:29 | TomHu | wow the iaudio x5 seems rather nice, even w/o rockbox |
| 18:17:00 | davinci_ | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/d/rockbox/builds/061021/docs/CREDITS', needed by `/cygdrive/d/rockbox/builds/061021/build/credits.raw'. Stop. :'( |
| 18:17:20 | TomHu | while the iRiver Hxxx is really hard to find, what's the matter there? did they reach their EOL? |
| 18:19:30 | davinci_ | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 18:19:30 | davinci_ | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 18:23:27 | Lear | davinci: You do have a docs folder, right? |
| 18:23:47 | davinci | nope.... :D |
| 18:23:56 | Lear | Well, go get it then. :) |
| 18:24:13 | TomHu | grmpf pkgsrc update is eating my bandwidth :s |
| 18:24:17 | davinci | ok, thank you =) |
| 18:38:00 | davinci | $ dir |
| 18:38:00 | davinci | ... |
| 18:38:00 | davinci | rockbox.zip |
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| 18:38:14 | davinci | THANK YOU, Lear :) |
| 18:38:42 | davinci | have a nice day, bye |
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| 18:53:05 | godzirra | Anyone have/seen any news on the 5.5g or Kalthare? |
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| 18:55:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | godzirra: Do you really think it's not going to be announced once it's working? |
| 18:55:47 | ope | Could anyone tell me why my audio would be stopping when I scroll through artists/whatever? I'm using no EQ's, a 5g iPod, and the latest daily build. |
| 18:57:03 | PaulJam | shouldn't the sheduler prevent this? |
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| 19:04:54 | godzirra | Paul_the_Nerd: Yeah yeah. I know. :p I'm just curious what happened to Kalthare. He asked me if I was here when I was afk about 3-4 days ago then I hadnt seen him since. |
| 19:05:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | godzirra: The simple solution would be to just send Kalthare a PM in the forum. |
| 19:06:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | ;) |
| 19:06:18 | Soap | ope is the second one to complaing that in the last 24-36 hours that scrolling is once again causing skipping on 5th Gens. |
| 19:07:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: It could just be that some recent change uses more processor time for other stuff now. |
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| 19:21:50 | ope | I doubt there are any quickfixes eh? I guess I should just wait for a new build? |
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| 19:22:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | ope: Rockbox is *far* from being well optimized on the 5G. |
| 19:23:18 | ope | I guess that's expected. It's fairly new compared to the other targets rockbox is featured on, right? |
| 19:24:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes, all the iPods have had Rockbox for less than a year. |
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| 19:26:00 | Kitt0s | does any1 have old rockbox sources? |
| 19:26:02 | Kitt0s | old old |
| 19:26:04 | Kitt0s | like |
| 19:26:16 | Kitt0s | 2006-08-12 |
| 19:26:17 | Kitt0s | :] |
| 19:26:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's not really that old |
| 19:26:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | And you can check out sources from any date using CVS |
| 19:26:31 | Kasperle | you could easily fetch them from cvs ;) |
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| 19:28:45 | Kitt0s | neat :D |
| 19:29:05 | Kitt0s | 1mill $ quesion is... |
| 19:29:05 | Kitt0s | how |
| 19:30:02 | PaulJam | use the -D option |
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| 19:32:44 | Kitt0s | ok |
| 19:32:46 | Kitt0s | so |
| 19:33:21 | Kitt0s | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox login |
| 19:33:22 | Kitt0s | then |
| 19:33:38 | Kitt0s | cvs -z3 -D<date> -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 19:33:38 | Kitt0s | ? |
| 19:34:45 | PaulJam | i think the -D behind the co |
| 19:35:05 | Kitt0s | ok but what do i put? |
| 19:35:12 | Kitt0s | -D2006-08-12 |
| 19:35:13 | Kitt0s | ? |
| 19:35:43 | PaulJam | something like: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co -D "2006-07-31 06:15" rockbox-devel |
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| 19:37:34 | godzirra | Paul_the_Nerd: oh. I didn't really think of that. |
| 19:37:42 | godzirra | Heh.. Sorry, I'm not normally a forum guy. That makes sense though, thanks :) |
| 19:39:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | A lot less random than just trying to catch a person online |
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| 19:41:09 | webguest84 | Paul_the_Nerd: the vmware image works like a charm... faster than the whole cygwin thing and no problems what soever... thanks again for the tip :) |
| 19:41:36 | Kitt0s | seems to work |
| 19:41:36 | Kitt0s | :D |
| 19:41:51 | Kitt0s | how can i tell wich date it is? |
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| 19:55:46 | webguest58 | I have today's daily build of rockbox on my 4g ipod. The music skips about every 5 to 10 seconds. I did an uninstall, and reinstalled rockbox with no changes. |
| 19:56:46 | PaulJam | try if it helps when you use a wps without peakmeters and disable things like crossfeed and equalizer. |
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| 20:03:09 | Nimdae | crossfeed runs fine on my ipod, but i've found the eq pretty much kills it |
| 20:04:03 | pdvhbr | hey guys I'm having a little problem with rockbox...when I play rockdoom sometimes the ipod shuts down without any reason (I'm using a 5g 30gb btw) anyone knows whats the problem? |
| 20:04:47 | * | Soap asks the stupid question... |
| 20:04:56 | Soap | And the battery is not dead? |
| 20:05:07 | pdvhbr | nope it even happens with full charge |
| 20:06:34 | pdvhbr | anyone ? :) |
| 20:06:35 | PaulJam | maybe you are accidently resetting it by holding menu+select at the same time |
| 20:07:22 | pdvhbr | yeah I thought of that but it just turns off holding those will make the ipod restart but when this happens I have to press a key to turn it on again |
| 20:07:31 | Nimdae | or shutting down by holding play? |
| 20:08:46 | pdvhbr | nope it's not anything like that :( |
| 20:11:18 | pdvhbr | *sad* |
| 20:13:14 | Mikachu | pdvhbr: it happens to me sometimes during pacman on my nano |
| 20:13:21 | Mikachu | it's possible it's overheating |
| 20:13:25 | Mikachu | try playing in the fridge :P |
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| 20:13:58 | pdvhbr | yeah mayb thats the problem |
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| 20:14:06 | pdvhbr | I'm using a silicone pack |
| 20:14:11 | pdvhbr | *case |
| 20:14:58 | Kitt0s | patch: **** malformed patch at line 838 |
| 20:15:02 | Kitt0s | what does that mean? |
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| 20:15:54 | nls | Kitt0s, that the patch is malformed? |
| 20:16:02 | Kitt0s | not all |
| 20:16:04 | Kitt0s | just one part |
| 20:16:14 | nls | possibly corrupted. |
| 20:16:50 | Kitt0s | no its something i changed |
| 20:16:58 | Kitt0s | just added a line that wasn't in the patch but was on the file |
| 20:18:29 | nls | where did you add a line? |
| 20:18:30 | PaulJam | you propably need to adjust the line that beginns with @@ too |
| 20:18:44 | Kitt0s | yea |
| 20:18:50 | Kitt0s | but if its not the last one? |
| 20:19:01 | Kitt0s | if the lines changed |
| 20:19:03 | Kitt0s | :\ |
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| 20:21:03 | Kitt0s | nvm i'l just use diff |
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| 20:21:26 | Davide-NYC | Hello all. |
| 20:21:41 | Davide-NYC | Question: What is this Wolfson codec? |
| 20:22:15 | PaulJam | i think the audio chip used in portalplayer devices |
| 20:22:41 | nls | It's a (brand) DAC used in lots of players |
| 20:22:53 | Mikachu | it's not a codec like xvid or h264 |
| 20:23:27 | Davide-NYC | ah, but they use the word codec in a lot of their lit. I thought it was hardware but remained confused |
| 20:23:36 | Davide-NYC | thanks for the clarification |
| 20:23:53 | Soap | if you are talking about the recent commits, I believe they are gigibeat releated. |
| 20:24:00 | Soap | related even |
| 20:24:02 | nls | The one mentioned in the commit is in the gigabeat players |
| 20:24:14 | nls | ... |
| 20:24:20 | Davide-NYC | why is it not a driver then? |
| 20:24:26 | Davide-NYC | *not called a driver |
| 20:24:32 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 20:24:50 | nls | it's to confuse people obviously |
| 20:25:07 | Davide-NYC | excellent! /me rubs hands together |
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| 20:30:09 | Nimdae | well, according to wolfson there's a difference between dac and codec, the wolfson chip in question in the commit is a dac, the chip in the ipod is apparently a codec |
| 20:30:25 | Nimdae | most likely because they do different things, heh |
| 20:31:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Can the one in the iPods encode and decode some form of compressed audio? |
| 20:31:22 | Nimdae | i don't think so, but it can apply filters |
| 20:31:39 | Nimdae | whereas i don't see anything abuot filters on the dacs |
| 20:33:05 | nls | Doesn't CODEC really mean COder/DECoder implying some sort of coding scheme (eg. compression)? |
| 20:33:19 | Nimdae | usually |
| 20:33:23 | markun | I thouht it was called codec if it was DAC + ADC |
| 20:33:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | CODEC can either mean "Coder/Decoder" which ADC and DAC qualifies as, or it can mean Compressor/Decompressor. |
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| 20:34:57 | Nimdae | looks like in wolfson's terms, it's dac+adc |
| 20:35:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah |
| 20:39:34 | markun | I always thought the WM8751 had a ADC as well, but I now see I was wrong. |
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| 20:40:52 | Soap | so what does the codec do in a software target? |
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| 20:41:28 | nls | Digital to analogue conversion |
| 20:41:45 | nls | and on some analogue to digital |
| 20:43:41 | nls | markun how does the gigabeat f anx differ from the s version? |
| 20:43:54 | nls | ...F and X... |
| 20:44:37 | Soap | and the DAC needs drivers? it isn't simply a "passthrough" device? |
| 20:46:00 | nls | Soap, I don't know a lot about theses things, but it seems so. Its probably neccesary to set it up in the correct etc.. |
| 20:46:46 | petur | a driver is a software interface through which you access a hardware component |
| 20:47:21 | markun | nls: there are a few differences. The F and X run linux, the S runs some windows version |
| 20:47:36 | petur | you technically don't need a driver but writing to some register from within an app is considered bad practice |
| 20:47:52 | markun | The S does USB in software, the F and X have a USB2ATA bridge |
| 20:48:22 | markun | The CPU in the S has a DSP which can do floating point calculations, the F and X don't have a DSP |
| 20:49:16 | nls | markun, so a new port would be needed to support the s but maybe not entirely from scratch, it seems to be impossible to get an F or X model here but I found a couple of S available... |
| 20:50:34 | markun | It's likely that the Zune will be similar to the S |
| 20:51:10 | Nimdae | don't think i'm entirely sold on the zune |
| 20:51:12 | markun | I think the port will be from scratch. The only thing they have in common are that they are ARM based and are called Gigabeat |
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| 20:52:43 | nls | Well I'm sure we'll have several requests for a zune-port every day from now to infinity (when something new is released) so maybe someone will breake down and do it. |
| 20:53:01 | nls | Or maybe MS will donate some players and socs :-P |
| 20:53:09 | BHSPitLappy | hahahaahhahahahaha |
| 20:53:11 | Nimdae | lol |
| 20:53:51 | BHSPitLappy | this is going to be the most closed-est protected-est player ever |
| 20:54:09 | Nimdae | if that happens, i'll donate $100 to the rockbox thing ;) i'd do it anyway, but i'm poor :P |
| 20:55:08 | Soap | that brings up a good question. |
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| 20:55:23 | Soap | How much money does the Rockbox project burn through a month? |
| 20:55:37 | petur | not much I think |
| 20:55:50 | petur | servers and bandwidth are sponsored |
| 20:55:51 | Soap | At what point do donations actually do more than maintain? |
| 20:55:58 | Soap | that's good to know. |
| 20:56:07 | Nimdae | kermit costs me $120 a month so at lesat i'm contributing something ;) |
| 20:56:36 | petur | Nimdae: that's already a lot.... |
| 20:56:40 | Soap | I mean, I don't personally care if my donations all go to coffee and donuts, but I'd hate to think my donation doesn't even help pay the electric bills. |
| 20:56:42 | nls | donations are used for DevCon beer and other random stuff :-) |
| 20:56:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: From what I understand, a lot of the money sits around until a developer ruins a player or some new hardware debugger needs to be acquired, or other various not-often but expensive events. |
| 20:57:09 | petur | buying players and some other tech gear too |
| 20:57:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: Also DevCon, yes. :) |
| 20:57:50 | BHSPitLappy | I still have a screenshot saved from the devcon 2006 webcam |
| 20:58:10 | BHSPitLappy | everybody raising their various alcoholic drinks and smiling for the camera |
| 20:58:10 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 20:58:53 | Soap | Nimdae - what is this kermit? Not the BBS file-transfer protocol I assume... |
| 20:59:05 | BHSPitLappy | http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8656/rockboxcheers6dk.png |
| 20:59:06 | dpro | mhmmmm alcoholic drinks .... </homer> |
| 20:59:27 | * | petur plans to sponsor the next DevCon with some Belgian beer if he makes it this time :) |
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| 21:00:15 | petur | bbl |
| 21:00:16 | * | Davide-NYC toots his own horn by mentioning last years $300 donation |
| 21:00:20 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 21:00:29 | Davide-NYC | ?me or was it $200? |
| 21:00:36 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
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| 21:01:45 | scorche | Soap: his server that has been added to the build farm |
| 21:04:32 | Soap | ahh |
| 21:05:01 | Soap | scorche - how long after completing your KeyBank requirements did you get your Nano? |
| 21:05:14 | scorche | 2 months |
| 21:05:42 | Nimdae | Soap: what scorche said :P |
| 21:06:09 | scorche | apparently, at the end of each month, they gather the list of everyone who met the requirements in that month and compile the list of to be sent out |
| 21:06:16 | Kasperle | haha |
| 21:06:29 | Kasperle | i had to wait EIGHT months for my freepay.com ipod ;) |
| 21:06:51 | Nimdae | yeah, i'll pass, i don't like spam ;) |
| 21:06:56 | scorche | no spam |
| 21:07:09 | scorche | just a bank account i get to keep one cent in till 6 months =) |
| 21:07:20 | Nimdae | ah |
| 21:07:27 | Nimdae | keybank eh |
| 21:07:33 | scorche | it was a promotiont hat keybank was doing |
| 21:07:39 | scorche | yeah |
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| 21:07:49 | Soap | we'll see if I get one. I applied before the deadline, but they didn't give me the papers to sign until after the deadline. I got the direct deposit in before the deadline, so we'll see. |
| 21:08:12 | Nimdae | ah, they aren't offering it anymore |
| 21:08:16 | scorche | Soap: not sure if they stil are doing it...but i heard something about them starting to give away 2gig 2nd gens at the end...not sure though |
| 21:08:29 | Soap | If it is a 2nd generation, which it appears it will be, I'm going to sell it. |
| 21:08:58 | scorche | im sure someone in here would like one to possibly help with porting |
| 21:09:02 | Soap | they are still going for more than US list price on ebay. |
| 21:09:05 | scorche | but yeah...i lub my nano =) |
| 21:09:13 | Nimdae | i think i would keep it, use it for excercising |
| 21:09:28 | scorche | Nimdae: the issue is that we havent got rockbox on it |
| 21:09:35 | Nimdae | i understand |
| 21:09:37 | scorche | not sure about him, but i wouldnt use it without rockbox =) |
| 21:09:41 | Soap | Oh, I'm going to sell it to fund a better flash player for the wife's general usage and my running. |
| 21:09:52 | scorche | sansa? |
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| 21:10:07 | Soap | most likely. |
| 21:10:16 | scorche | yeah...they arent bad |
| 21:11:00 | Nimdae | i have a rio to fill that need for the time being, but i wouldn't mind something a bit more modern and with more storage spae |
| 21:12:13 | scorche | with rockbox =) |
| 21:14:57 | * | scorche gets back to working on his patch |
| 21:16:41 | Kitt0s | what patch? ipod acceleration patch? :D |
| 21:16:47 | scorche | heh....no |
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| 22:06:54 | chill | is it normal when i try to turn my ipod nano off (hold play button 5secs) it reboots? |
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| 22:11:09 | yipe | as-salaamu 'aleikum and shabbot shalom everybody |
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| 22:26:19 | petur | hmmm... on my h340 music fadeout has a bit of distortion when the harddisk is working (most probably because of the rebuffering) |
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| 22:33:38 | yipe | I've noticed that when I try to start a track over, or if I rewind or fast forward long distances within a track, the ends of the track no longer match up with the actual ends of the file |
| 22:33:54 | yipe | like I'll start a long podcast over, and it will begin playing from somewhere in the middle |
| 22:38:50 | petur | yipe: write up a detailed procedure how to reproduce it and submit a bug report in the tracker. Check first if there isn't a similar bugreport first... |
| 22:39:19 | yipe | that would require figuring out exactly what causes it.... which I don't know at the moment :P |
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| 22:42:50 | yipe | okay, I just took a podcast (in the footsteps of bin laden) that had been playing normally for about 25 minutes, and rewound it all the way to the beginning, (I didn't restart it, I rewound) and when I released the rewind button it began playing a podcast about the mandaeans from the middle |
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| 22:47:58 | amiconn | petur: Hmm, just crossed my mind: Does the slideshow timeout take the loading time into account? |
| 22:48:17 | amiconn | Guess it doesnt, especially as that time isn't predictable... |
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| 22:49:43 | petur | amiconn: I figured as much so I left that alone |
| 22:50:05 | yipe | there's a similar bug already reported, but it's much more specific, and I can reproduce the same problematic effects with different methods |
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| 22:52:00 | amiconn | petur: Maybe Lear has some tips how to do that properly... |
| 22:52:14 | Kitt0s | OBJCOPY mpegplayer.rock |
| 22:52:14 | Kitt0s | rm /home/Nethanel/cvs-2006-08-12/rockbox-devel/build/apps/plugins/pong.elf |
| 22:52:19 | Kitt0s | what does that mean? |
| 22:53:11 | scorche | it just means that it is deleting that file |
| 22:53:13 | amiconn | ..referring to http://aminet.net//pub/aminet/gfx/show/Visage.readme Great picture viewer :) |
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| 22:57:03 | petur | jhMikeS: does your patch (2.3) gives way more distortion when playback fades out. CVS version only does so during disk activity. Did you change anything in that area too? |
| 22:59:11 | petur | jhMikeS: did you increase prerecording time? |
| 22:59:34 | jhMikeS | no and no |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:00 | jhMikeS | prerecording time can be whatever memory allows or 30s whichever is less |
| 23:00:24 | petur | my first test started recording at 40s |
| 23:00:55 | petur | doing a second test now |
| 23:01:52 | petur | 39 seconds now |
| 23:02:14 | petur | and had it 60 seconds in the recording screen |
| 23:02:34 | amiconn | jhMikeS: "whichever is less"? I would expect that we could allow for way more than 30 seconds of prerecording on swcodec targets. |
| 23:02:43 | * | petur wonders if 40s is the length of the pcm buffer |
| 23:03:11 | jhMikeS | prerecording isn't affected by the pcm buffer but the encoder buffer |
| 23:03:18 | petur | right |
| 23:03:37 | jhMikeS | what samplerate and type? |
| 23:03:43 | petur | still... strange it starts conting at 39/40 seconds |
| 23:03:51 | petur | WAV 44kHz stereo |
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| 23:03:59 | TerrorByte | Hey. |
| 23:04:03 | TerrorByte | Another question.... |
| 23:04:09 | TerrorByte | Hey. |
| 23:04:22 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...what's the buffer size in the debug menu? |
| 23:04:57 | TerrorByte | Is there FM radio and voice recording in Rockbox for some players or is there just none at all? |
| 23:05:01 | jhMikeS | It's possible the extra safety margin affected it with long pr |
| 23:05:17 | jhMikeS | TerrorByte: iAudio/iRiver have both |
| 23:05:24 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 23:05:30 | TerrorByte | Wait a second. |
| 23:05:32 | TerrorByte | iRiver does? |
| 23:05:36 | TerrorByte | My H10 does? |
| 23:05:36 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 23:05:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | The H100 and H300 series |
| 23:05:41 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 23:05:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | The H10 doesn't have it enabled yet. |
| 23:05:44 | TerrorByte | So not the H10. |
| 23:05:45 | TerrorByte | Not yet ;) |
| 23:05:47 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 23:06:44 | TerrorByte | So what's being worked on right now? |
| 23:07:03 | TerrorByte | What's the focus? |
| 23:07:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Whatever various people are interested in. |
| 23:07:09 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: Plus X5, archos recorders and Ondio FM |
| 23:07:11 | TerrorByte | Really? |
| 23:07:17 | TerrorByte | And what are people interested in? |
| 23:07:22 | TerrorByte | Video with sound :P? |
| 23:07:28 | petur | jhMikeS: buffer size in debug menu? Help my memory please |
| 23:08:02 | jhMikeS | petur: you let it prerecord for at least 1min right? :p |
| 23:08:09 | jhMikeS | wait a sec... |
| 23:08:21 | TerrorByte | Question.. |
| 23:08:27 | TerrorByte | How many people work on developing Rockbox? |
| 23:08:57 | Soap | 2 |
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| 23:09:11 | TerrorByte | You're serious? |
| 23:09:17 | jhMikeS | main menu->info->rockbox info |
| 23:09:26 | amiconn | A lot... check the length of the credits list |
| 23:09:52 | jhMikeS | 2! heh...it feel like that at times :) |
| 23:10:04 | TerrorByte | LOL. |
| 23:10:10 | TerrorByte | Is support dwindling? |
| 23:10:13 | TerrorByte | o_O |
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| 23:10:56 | Paul_the_Ner1 | TerrorByte: Video with sound is just not a huge priority for most of us. |
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| 23:11:18 | TerrorByte | Yeah I've realized that. |
| 23:11:18 | TerrorByte | :) |
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| 23:11:33 | * | jhMikeS likes watching music videos too |
| 23:11:43 | * | TerrorByte agrees :) |
| 23:11:56 | amiconn | Watching and watching ;) |
| 23:12:13 | TerrorByte | If there was some way I could help, I would. |
| 23:12:16 | jhMikeS | It could be done with reduced framerates. The OF only does 12fps MPEG4 |
| 23:12:22 | TerrorByte | But I'm afraid I'm not very skilled at this. |
| 23:13:11 | amiconn | TerrorByte: Well, the rockbox people were crazy enough to bring greyscale video with sound to the archos recorders and Ondios. I'm sure it will happen at some point, just don't expect it within a fixed time frame |
| 23:13:27 | TerrorByte | Wha!? |
| 23:13:31 | TerrorByte | Greyscale video? |
| 23:13:34 | TerrorByte | LOL nice. |
| 23:13:34 | TerrorByte | :) |
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| 23:13:53 | amiconn | The old archoses have just a small, b&w only LCD, yet we can show greyscale video on it |
| 23:14:21 | jhMikeS | Why should mono bitmaps be drawn and stored in row order with 8 bits being the first 8 pixels of the first row so it matches the framebuffer order on targets like that (x5 and such)? |
| 23:14:29 | jhMikeS | why shouldn't rather |
| 23:14:35 | petur | jhMikeS: another strange observation: I said 'stop' just before stopping the recording and that wasn't recorded. And the 'start' is about 39 seconds after recording start |
| 23:15:14 | jhMikeS | petur: no matter the length of time you let it prerecord? |
| 23:15:24 | petur | yes |
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| 23:15:31 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
| 23:15:35 | petur | it was way over a minute in prerec |
| 23:15:43 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 23:15:43 | NJoin | markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) |
| 23:15:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Very simple reason... the mono bitmap format we're using now is the same format as the internal format of the archos LCD (and also a number of other monochrome LCDs, like the Iriver remote, iFP7xx etc) |
| 23:15:54 | * | petur thinks the PCM buffering isn't taken into account |
| 23:16:07 | amiconn | It also closely matches the internal format of the H1x0 greyscale LCD and the X5 remote LCD |
| 23:16:32 | amiconn | If we keep the mono format consistent throughout ports, we don't need different font formats |
| 23:16:55 | amiconn | ...and even more important, we don't need 2 different font formats for targets with 2 LCDs |
| 23:17:05 | petur | jhMikeS: at recording stop, you probably stop the encoder, which lags the actual recording. It should stop PCM and consume whatever is in PCM buffer. So counting should be done in actual PCM recorded time |
| 23:17:30 | * | petur si guessing this, hasn't looked at the code |
| 23:17:31 | amiconn | (like the H300 or X5) |
| 23:17:37 | petur | s/si/is |
| 23:17:39 | jhMikeS | it's supposed to wait and encode the remaining samples |
| 23:17:45 | petur | hmmm |
| 23:18:07 | amiconn | Unicode fonts can be huge even as monochrome |
| 23:18:52 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Do you think that having a seperate font for the remotes (optionally) would be a good idea? |
| 23:18:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hmmm...my priority would be the main lcd and fonts could be converted when loaded... |
| 23:19:04 | amiconn | urghhh |
| 23:19:11 | amiconn | KISS |
| 23:19:24 | jhMikeS | how hard it is really? |
| 23:19:44 | amiconn | It costs CPU time and extra RAM, and it's unnecessary |
| 23:19:58 | jhMikeS | I'd like faster mono bits cause x5 bites it on speed writing fonts |
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| 23:20:25 | amiconn | That won't change by just flipping the mono format |
| 23:20:27 | jhMikeS | petur: I wonder if I'll get 39 sec on x5 too... |
| 23:20:35 | petur | probably |
| 23:20:58 | jhMikeS | That should be impossible :P |
| 23:21:15 | amiconn | I know that font writing isn't the fastest on colour targets, however, the main problem isn't the bit arrangement |
| 23:22:40 | amiconn | No matter how you arrange the bits, you still need to evaluate bit by bit and do the appropriate graphics operation |
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| 23:23:17 | jhMikeS | amiconn: evaluation is simpler if the arrangement is similar to the buffer |
| 23:23:26 | amiconn | That's because of the various draw modes. I have some ideas how mono bitmap drawing could be sped up for DRMODE_SOLID, but those ideas don't need changing the mono bitmap format |
| 23:23:54 | * | jhMikeS is gonna check out that pre things... |
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| 23:25:13 | TerrorByte | So, Paul. |
| 23:25:21 | TerrorByte | You're a part of the team I assume... |
| 23:25:35 | TerrorByte | Is everyone here a part of the Rockbox team? |
| 23:25:42 | midkay | are you? |
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| 23:25:55 | midkay | haha. |
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| 23:26:01 | jhMikeS | inverting pixels kind of is a problem but you can just write the pattern instead of calling fns for solid |
| 23:26:06 | TerrorByte | Sorry, got disconnected... |
| 23:26:34 | barrywardell | what do people think about this: http://pastebin.ca/214150 |
| 23:26:35 | midkay | assuming your answer is no, it's pretty easy to assume there's more than one user (which'd leave 124 devs).. |
| 23:26:43 | barrywardell | rearranging the keymaps in the sim |
| 23:26:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: Not everyone here is a part of the team, but a lot of us are. I mean, I personally have maybe, oh, 8 lines of code in all of Rockbox, but I help out in other ways. |
| 23:26:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How should that work? The source data has 1 bit / pixel, the destination has 16bit / pixel |
| 23:27:01 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 23:27:03 | jhMikeS | petur: other than those other problems are you able to record all sources ok? |
| 23:27:14 | TerrorByte | Well if I can do anything to help, which is not much, I'm free to do so. |
| 23:27:20 | petur | jhMikeS: correction, seems to be in MP3 - did defaults change? because I did reset settings before loading mine and I'm quite sure it's not in my config *checks* |
| 23:27:22 | jhMikeS | amiconn: You write the color pattern |
| 23:27:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | I ended up helping out just be seeing things I could do, and doing them. |
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| 23:27:55 | * | Paul_the_Nerd just found Bagder's name in a license document for Gametap. |
| 23:27:58 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 23:28:11 | Bagder | Gametap? |
| 23:28:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What colour pattern? |
| 23:28:16 | jhMikeS | When bit = 0...fg_pattern, 1 = bg_patten... |
| 23:28:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: It's a $10 subscription service that provides 710 (at the moment) downloadable unlimited play games ranging from the C64 era, across arcades and consoles, up to modern PC games. |
| 23:28:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: They make use of libcurl, apparently |
| 23:28:48 | Bagder | aha |
| 23:29:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You mean just handling a horizontal block of 2 pixels together? |
| 23:29:36 | amiconn | That's in fact one of my ideas - but you won't need a changed mono bitmap format for that |
| 23:29:36 | jhMikeS | petur: you were using MP3 and that was the only problem? |
| 23:30:06 | petur | it's the first problem I noticed, haven't checked any other things yet |
| 23:30:21 | amiconn | I am even thinking about handling 8 pixels at once - that would nicely map to a memory line which can be written using burst mode |
| 23:30:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I suppose but having function calls to write a dot must take a tole |
| 23:30:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It needs to use that when possible for sure. |
| 23:31:29 | * | jhMikeS is rebuilding after cvs up |
| 23:31:31 | amiconn | On coldfire, there's unfortunately quite a bit of overhead involved in a function call |
| 23:31:48 | amiconn | Both SH and arm use regparms for up to 4 parameters |
| 23:32:02 | * | petur excuses with jhMikeS for breaking his patch by changing plugin.h :) |
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| 23:33:00 | amiconn | Rotating a block of 8x8 mono pixels by 90 degrees can be done rather fast |
| 23:33:02 | jhMikeS | petur: you chagned something there? Shouldn't really matter except for the version |
| 23:33:07 | amiconn | ...on the fly |
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| 23:34:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: In fact a flipped mono bitmap format would make some optimisations more difficult |
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| 23:35:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: haven't thought too far into it yet but what sort of opts? |
| 23:36:02 | amiconn | Example: A row of 8 pixels would nicely map to a line in the framebuffer. If you organise the mono bitmaps in rows, this row of 8 pixels would be a byte |
| 23:36:17 | amiconn | But what happens if that byte is misaligned? |
| 23:36:36 | petur | jhMikeS: I see why your patch is so big, your editor removed lots of trailing spaces in the files you touched... |
| 23:36:51 | amiconn | With live rotation, you're free to choose the starting point. |
| 23:37:11 | amiconn | I guess speed would be similar, but we would keep the single mono format |
| 23:37:47 | jhMikeS | petur: yes...I let it go ahead and reformat according to guidelines about spaces/tabs/etc. |
| 23:38:15 | petur | jhMikeS: also, I don't like the fact that default recording format is MP3 :( |
| 23:38:36 | jhMikeS | heh...Should be WAV? That's easy. |
| 23:38:38 | petur | and code policing is better done in separate commits imho |
| 23:38:58 | amiconn | I also didn't think _very_ far yet, most because (1) I have more than enough other things I want to do and (2) I prefer thinking about such problems "in the background" until I collected enough ideas to come up with a good solution |
| 23:39:22 | TerrorByte | Guys. |
| 23:39:32 | TerrorByte | What's the difference between the daily build and CSV build? |
| 23:39:43 | amiconn | For instance, I would also like to see the DRMODE_FG case optimised. It's used quite often |
| 23:39:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: good strategy...it was bugging me today cause I got sick of the super slow scrolling :( |
| 23:39:57 | amiconn | Then there's also the background image to be taken into account |
| 23:40:20 | amiconn | -> bye bye simple colour pattern... |
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| 23:40:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: The Daily build is just the CVS build from a certain time each day |
| 23:41:42 | TerrorByte | Ah, fair enough. |
| 23:41:44 | TerrorByte | Thank you Paul. |
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| 23:42:00 | petur | gtg, will continue tomorrow... |
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| 23:44:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, where's the scrolling super-slow? I know that it's not as fast as on greyscale and mono targets, but on X5 it's still quite fast imo |
| 23:44:43 | amiconn | The only target where it's really slow is the iPod video, because of the huge framebuffer and the rather slow lcd update |
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| 23:44:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: funny, you used to say how slow it was :) I think it just is too clunky at least w/o boost |
| 23:45:07 | amiconn | It is slow, but I wouldn't call it super-slow |
| 23:45:49 | * | webguest44 considered it still a bit slow too |
| 23:45:51 | amiconn | I just tried it; scroll speed == 15 tries to do 33 steps per second |
| 23:45:55 | Soap | cleaning out my old hardware bins. Does the rockbox project need a parallel port to scsi2 adapter? ;) |
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| 23:46:16 | amiconn | I get 20 real steps per second unboosted on X5 (with 1 scrolling line) |
| 23:47:25 | jhMikeS | What are you testing with? Some other thing I don't know about yet? |
| 23:47:28 | amiconn | That said, the real scroll speed is always lower than the theoretical even on tiny mono lcds, because the scroll speed sets a delay, not an interval |
| 23:47:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Just the scroll speed settings item... |
| 23:47:51 | jhMikeS | We need better timer res |
| 23:47:58 | amiconn | No, why? |
| 23:48:12 | amiconn | More timer interrupts will drain even more cpu power |
| 23:48:24 | jhMikeS | For timing things 1/100 of a second is pretty coarse. |
| 23:48:31 | amiconn | ?? |
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| 23:48:49 | jhMikeS | Could be something you turn on when needed |
| 23:48:52 | amiconn | It's more than enough for everything in the core (except backlight fading on H1x0 and ipod) |
| 23:48:56 | jhMikeS | I know: KISS |
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| 23:50:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: One example for how much a timer interrupt can draw: Linux kernel 2.4 used a 100Hz timer by default, kernel 2.6 uses 1000Hz. |
| 23:50:19 | | Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:50:58 | amiconn | This increase in timer frequency is enough to slow down vmware workstation 4.x to half the speed - on a multi-GHz PC |
| 23:51:14 | amiconn | (when running kernel 2.6 in a VM) |
| 23:51:45 | amiconn | Of course that largely depends on what is done in the isr |
| 23:52:08 | jhMikeS | that's a lot...something like that should do very little though |
| 23:52:18 | psiborg | isr? |
| 23:52:32 | amiconn | The X5 already suffers from that. mp3 playback virtually never boosts on iriver, but it does very visibly on X5 |
| 23:52:47 | amiconn | This is because of the inefficient pcf i2c driver |
| 23:53:14 | amiconn | psiborg: interrupt service routine |
| 23:53:42 | jhMikeS | sounds like that's a place to do a little optimizing if it really is a drag on the system |
| 23:53:58 | psiborg | ah |
| 23:54:02 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:54:29 | amiconn | That's one of my planned todos... |
| 23:54:35 | psiborg | why are you discussing timer interrupts? |
| 23:54:40 | * | amiconn already did that for the H300 |
| 23:57:45 | Moos | hehehe :) |
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