| 00:00:06 | tucoz | bluebrother, yes i noticed that. |
| 00:00:12 | preglow | Lear: i see wavpack writes to offset as well, also not needed |
| 00:00:20 | preglow | probably a remnant from when offset was used for those too |
| 00:00:54 | preglow | mok, so offset is in bytes |
| 00:01:11 | preglow | that's not really too helpful in the case of musepack, heh |
| 00:01:24 | Lear | doesn't most codecs set offset, or call set_offset? and isn't that needed for resume? |
| 00:02:06 | preglow | most seem to |
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| 00:04:51 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 00:05:00 | preglow | so i can pretty much decide the offset format for myself |
| 00:05:36 | preglow | hmm, a52 never sets the offset itself |
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| 00:06:54 | preglow | no, far from all codecs use set_offset |
| 00:08:17 | preglow | agh, that sucks, offset has to be in bytes, it seems |
| 00:09:15 | tucoz | preglow, i read you had a trappist the other night. Is that the beer made by those munks that won a price a few years ago? |
| 00:10:00 | preglow | tucoz: dunno if they won a prize |
| 00:10:12 | preglow | but there's not too many remaining trappists anyway, so the odds are good |
| 00:10:20 | petur | no, that was westvleteren |
| 00:10:50 | petur | and there aren't many trappists, the rules are very strict |
| 00:10:54 | tucoz | I remember reading about munks being awarded with a "the best beer in the world"-price |
| 00:11:05 | petur | yes, it was westvleteren |
| 00:11:42 | tucoz | ok. wonder if that is possible to get hold on |
| 00:11:49 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren |
| 00:12:02 | petur | very hard to get |
| 00:12:16 | tucoz | have you gotten hold of one? |
| 00:12:21 | petur | nah |
| 00:12:26 | petur | I don't bother |
| 00:12:33 | petur | so many other beers here :p |
| 00:12:43 | tucoz | yes, belgium right? |
| 00:13:16 | petur | yup |
| 00:13:36 | tucoz | then i understand you. |
| 00:13:52 | * | preglow hasn't yet had a westvleteren :/ |
| 00:14:06 | preglow | suspect i won't until the day i stand at the gates of the monastery anyway |
| 00:14:32 | petur | I think you have to order westvletern by phone and then you get assigned a pickup date |
| 00:14:47 | preglow | they gone very strict with the distribution of their beers lately |
| 00:15:02 | petur | and supplies are very limited, and you can only order limited quantities |
| 00:15:12 | preglow | of late, very limited |
| 00:15:40 | petur | I've never drunk one myself... |
| 00:16:30 | petur | eh... drank one :) |
| 00:16:40 | tucoz | Q: On the manual frontpage, to point out that the manual is for the 1st gen nanos. Should it be 1) 1st gen 2) 1st gen. 3) 1st generation ? |
| 00:17:14 | Lear | lostlogic: thanks. |
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| 00:21:25 | preglow | tucoz: 1st generation, i'd sya |
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| 00:22:11 | tucoz | yep. i also thought that my self |
| 00:22:38 | * | bluebrother found why the pdf doesn't get copied |
| 00:23:33 | tucoz | :) |
| 00:24:43 | bluebrother | the target buildmanual in Makefile.pdflatex isn't the default target ... |
| 00:25:57 | Bagder | ok, I updated the daily/cvs/manuals pages to explicitly say nano 1st gen |
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| 00:26:23 | Soap | thanks Bagder |
| 00:26:55 | * | tucoz waves goodnight |
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| 00:28:10 | Soap | ahh, and you changed the other ipod names to be consistant. |
| 00:28:30 | Bagder | not really, they already had those names |
| 00:28:35 | Bagder | but the cvs page used the short names before |
| 00:28:42 | Bagder | so I had to switch to the longer ones |
| 00:29:15 | Soap | I was thinking it was always "3G, 4G" before, but oh well. Cool. |
| 00:29:49 | Bagder | people confused those 3G, 4G too much with storage |
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| 00:30:15 | Soap | yeah |
| 00:30:22 | Bagder | quite understandbly really |
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| 00:32:12 | Soap | but, if I can complain, those same people who think "Nano 1G" means 1GB are also the same who would say "I have a 1gb Nano" |
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| 00:32:42 | godzirra | Anyone have a link to kalthare's patch? |
| 00:32:45 | godzirra | for 5.5? |
| 00:32:47 | Bagder | yeah, for the nano 1G and 1 gen are the same |
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| 00:33:00 | Bagder | I just remember lots of confusion about the minis |
| 00:33:06 | Bagder | "I have a 4G mini" |
| 00:34:17 | Bagder | godzirra: isn't it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 |
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| 00:47:14 | bluebrother | Bagder, do you know if there is a way to make the input box for closing FS tasks bigger? It's pretty tiny which makes writing longer reasons a bit nasty |
| 00:47:25 | Bagder | no idea |
| 00:48:35 | bluebrother | too bad. |
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| 00:50:39 | webguest65 | hello |
| 00:52:21 | bluebrother | hi |
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| 00:55:02 | webguest65 | okay for some wierd reason rockbox will not load on my 5G video iPod |
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| 01:01:23 | webguest65 | hello? |
| 01:02:05 | zhcs | has rockbox worked on your ipod before? for the newer video ipods it does not work yet (unless something has developed recently that I missed) |
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| 01:04:55 | bluebrother | webguest65, you haven't told the weird reason or what's happening. |
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| 01:05:42 | bluebrother | also I don't have an ipod so I'm of little help on this. |
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| 01:08:02 | webguest65 | yes |
| 01:08:20 | webguest65 | iu have the 5G not the 5.5G |
| 01:08:51 | webguest65 | instead of loading the rockbox os it loads the apple os |
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| 01:09:34 | bluebrother | does the bootloader show up? |
| 01:09:41 | webguest65 | no |
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| 01:10:09 | Soap | well, then that answers that. |
| 01:10:23 | Soap | The bootloader is where you need to start. |
| 01:10:35 | webguest65 | but i do have the bootloader in the root of my iPod |
| 01:10:58 | bluebrother | what do you mean by "root" of you ipod? |
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| 01:11:10 | bluebrother | the bootloader needs to be installed in the mbr. |
| 01:11:18 | webguest65 | the what |
| 01:11:28 | Soap | you don't have the bootloader in the root of your ipod, or if you do that is not where it belongs |
| 01:11:30 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 01:11:35 | Soap | is the Windows instructions. |
| 01:11:54 | bluebrother | you need to put the bootloader in a special place on the ipod, not some folder. |
| 01:11:56 | Soap | Master Boot Record. |
| 01:12:10 | webguest65 | oh okay |
| 01:12:22 | webguest65 | but will this erase all of my music |
| 01:12:26 | Soap | no |
| 01:12:37 | chris088589 | Soap let me be the one who sends that .bin file save ur bandwith ;) |
| 01:13:05 | chris088589 | its working great rockbox with my theme |
| 01:13:05 | Soap | chris088589 - He shouldn't need it, as he can boot into Apple OS, and I have a fat pipe ;) |
| 01:13:12 | webguest65 | i got this too work last time and i recall i did't use the bootlader |
| 01:13:25 | Soap | webguest65 - no offense, but you recall incorrectly. |
| 01:14:14 | chris088589 | i'll always have this IRC channel minimized, since freenode is a poopular IRC server |
| 01:14:15 | shrewd | how to run Apple os if i have instaled rochbox? |
| 01:14:44 | Soap | shrewd - as discussed in the manual you hold the MENU button down during booting. |
| 01:14:45 | RogerBacon | shrewd : what mp3 player ? oo ... OGG player :D |
| 01:15:36 | shrewd | thx |
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| 01:17:52 | shrewd | is it posable to instal ipodlinux and have 3 os on my ipod ? |
| 01:18:13 | shrewd | if is haw to boot linux ? |
| 01:18:27 | webguest65 | okay im on step 1b of the installation process of rockbox and im having trouble understand this: |
| 01:18:29 | webguest65 | You will perform this and the following steps from the Windows command prompt. Start a command prompt and navigate to the C:\rockbox directory (type C: and press enter, then type "cd \rockbox" and press enter). |
| 01:18:42 | Soap | shrewd - installing ipodlinux first and using their bootloader is the easiest way. |
| 01:19:06 | Soap | webguest65 - do you know how to start a command prompt? |
| 01:19:14 | webguest65 | yea |
| 01:19:18 | Soap | ok |
| 01:19:25 | Soap | c: |
| 01:19:32 | Soap | cd \rockbox |
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| 01:20:21 | webguest65 | i tried that and it said: teh system cannot find the path specified. |
| 01:20:45 | Soap | did you create said directoyu? |
| 01:20:49 | Soap | *directory. |
| 01:20:52 | Soap | c: |
| 01:20:55 | Soap | mkdir rockbox |
| 01:21:15 | Soap | then follow step 1A and download the files to the newly created directory. |
| 01:21:18 | shrewd | ok thx; i have just update distro on my ubuntu so i need to reboot if gdm don't get up, i will go sleep so bye |
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| 01:21:38 | webguest65 | i did step one a |
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| 01:22:02 | Soap | I don't understand how you did step 1a w/o creating the directory. |
| 01:22:25 | webguest65 | i created the directory srry forgot to mention that |
| 01:22:34 | Soap | what directory did you download ipod_fw.exe / ipodpatcher.exe / bootloader-video.bin into. |
| 01:22:38 | webguest65 | its under c:/rockbox |
| 01:22:40 | Soap | where did you create it? |
| 01:23:30 | webguest65 | c:/rockbox |
| 01:23:42 | Soap | ok, so what does your command prompt say right now? |
| 01:23:56 | Soap | mine says "C:\rockbox>" for example. |
| 01:24:07 | webguest65 | C:/Documents and Settings/Sneh> |
| 01:24:40 | Soap | cd \rockbox should work |
| 01:24:53 | RogerBacon | did anyone know a solution to sync my ipod with my PC with another HDD on it ? |
| 01:25:43 | webguest65 | okay it works |
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| 01:28:45 | webguest65 | so is this am i just installing rockbox or both rockbox and linux becuase the linux instrucinons are very identical to these |
| 01:31:33 | Soap | webguest65 - this is for rockbox. |
| 01:31:41 | Soap | pay no attention to the linux instructions. |
| 01:32:08 | Soap | obviously it is a similar process of extraction of native bootloader, and patching it to load the new code instead of the apple code. |
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| 01:33:31 | webguest65 | so i finished and i got the connect to itunes thing instead of the bootloader |
| 01:34:15 | webguest65 | but isn't there a way to install rockbox WITHOUT the bootloader |
| 01:34:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | That doesn't even make sense. |
| 01:34:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | The bootloader is what tells the iPod to load Rockbox instead of the Apple software. |
| 01:35:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | You could put Rockbox in the same place that we normally put the bootloader (in which case ONLY Rockbox would be able to load, and updating your Rockbox build would be more difficult). |
| 01:36:21 | webguest65 | how would u do that (srry for being a noob) |
| 01:36:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's a lot more complicated than just installing the bootloader. |
| 01:37:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | And would probably require making some changes to how Rockbox is compiled at the moment. |
| 01:38:45 | webguest65 | has anyone here ever used the unoffical installer? |
| 01:39:33 | Soap | A - that receives no support from rockbox |
| 01:39:42 | Soap | B - you are 1/2 way done, why stop now? |
| 01:40:03 | webguest65 | i got the connect to iTunes errorr |
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| 01:40:35 | Soap | even the unofficial installer won't help you from that mess. |
| 01:40:39 | webguest65 | is it because my sys info isn't valid? |
| 01:40:54 | Soap | that has nothing to do with it. |
| 01:41:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:41:25 | Soap | what number did you find was your ipod in step 1b? |
| 01:41:44 | webguest65 | did u ever get the connect to itunes error? |
| 01:41:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's because you either typed something wrong, used the wrong file, or in some small percent of cases, had one of the files you downloaded or extracted not be complete. |
| 01:42:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Those are the three causes for the error you're getting, which results from your writing an improper rockboot.bin to the iPod. |
| 01:43:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Assuming you kept your original bootpartition.bin, you can delete all the other .bin files, redownload the bootloader for the iPod Video, and start from the first ipod_fw step. DO NOT redo the first iPodPatcher step. |
| 01:43:28 | webguest65 | i don't think i typed anything wrong i copy and pasted everything into the cmd.exe |
| 01:44:12 | Soap | then you either copied the wrong line, or forgot to change the letter "N" to the correct number on a step. |
| 01:44:23 | Soap | What number did you find was your ipod in step 1b? |
| 01:44:32 | webguest65 | 1 |
| 01:44:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Most often it's because someone forgets to do the second ipod_fw step for the iPod video, the one that extracts the extra resource bin file |
| 01:45:11 | webguest65 | yea i think thats what i forgot to do |
| 01:45:41 | webguest65 | before the ins. on how to do that is there NOTE in front of it? |
| 01:46:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's step d.2) |
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| 01:49:40 | webguest65 | tell me if what i have in the rockbox folder is rite: bootpartition and ipodpatcher |
| 01:49:46 | webguest65 | I DID NOT START OVER YET |
| 01:50:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | And ipod_fw |
| 01:50:36 | webguest65 | shit i deleted that |
| 01:50:49 | webguest65 | but i can just reinstall that right? |
| 01:52:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just download it again, yes. |
| 01:53:09 | webguest65 | The two executable programs are licensed under the GNU GPL - source code for ipodpatcher.exe is available in ipodpatcher-0.3.zip and source code for ipod_fw.exe is available in the Rockbox CVS. |
| 01:53:21 | webguest65 | do i need to download that as well |
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| 01:53:37 | webguest65 | ipodpatcher-0.3.zip this thing |
| 01:54:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Do the instructions tell you to download those? |
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| 01:55:39 | webguest65 | The two executable programs are licensed under the GNU GPL - source code for ipodpatcher.exe is available in ipodpatcher-0.3.zip and source code for ipod_fw.exe is available in the Rockbox CVS. |
| 01:55:43 | webguest65 | it just says: |
| 01:57:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest65: There are exactly three bulleted entries under A) |
| 01:58:41 | webguest65 | and those 3 steps are those 3 bullet points |
| 01:58:43 | webguest65 | ? |
| 01:58:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's the list of files you need to download |
| 01:59:10 | webguest65 | yea i downloaded those |
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| 02:04:23 | webguest65 | wow this is taking for ever |
| 02:04:43 | webguest65 | to write one thing to the ipod i mean |
| 02:05:42 | webguest65 | d.2) (iPod Video/5G and Nano 1st gen with Apple firmware v1.2 users only) Extract the resource image from your firmware partition image. |
| 02:05:46 | webguest65 | okay heres where i get confused: |
| 02:05:53 | webguest65 | The iPod Video/5G has an extra firmware for the video decoder chip. Starting with v1.2 of the Apple firmware (iPod Updater 2006-06-28), the Nano 1st gen also has a similar extra part of the firmware containing the Nike support. This extra resource image needs to be extracted as follows: |
| 02:06:02 | webguest65 | ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin |
| 02:06:14 | webguest65 | what the hell does this mean? |
| 02:08:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | It means run that line... |
| 02:08:37 | webguest65 | how |
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| 02:09:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just like all the other lines you type into the command prompt... |
| 02:09:11 | webguest65 | just type it in to the cmd.exe |
| 02:10:00 | webguest65 | but then it says: NOTE: you must give it the exact name " apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin" |
| 02:10:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes |
| 02:10:13 | webguest65 | ? |
| 02:10:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | That just means be very very careful not to make a typo when running the line |
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| 02:12:58 | webguest65 | i just got an error saying cannot open firmware image file apple_os.bin |
| 02:13:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | You did also do the d.1) step, right? |
| 02:13:28 | webguest65 | yes |
| 02:13:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's the one that creates apple_os.bin |
| 02:13:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is there an apple_os.bin file in that folder? |
| 02:13:59 | webguest65 | yea but its only 1kb big |
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| 02:14:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then something went wrong, it should be a few MB. |
| 02:14:27 | webguest65 | and the rockboot is 0KB big |
| 02:15:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | How big is bootpartition.bin? |
| 02:16:13 | webguest65 | 80,294 KB |
| 02:16:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Okay. |
| 02:16:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Delete apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin and try it once more. |
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| 02:17:22 | webguest65 | still not working |
| 02:17:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | And ipod_fw says what when you run the d.1) step? |
| 02:18:15 | webguest65 | nothing |
| 02:18:21 | webguest65 | i c what i did |
| 02:18:33 | webguest65 | ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin |
| 02:19:02 | webguest65 | is the apple_sw_5g_rcsc file only supposed to be 1KB |
| 02:19:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | No. |
| 02:19:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | How much disk space do you have free? |
| 02:20:14 | webguest65 | like 5.3 gigs |
| 02:21:37 | midkay | how do you know you don't have a 5.5G? |
| 02:21:42 | midkay | sorry if that's been gone over before.. |
| 02:21:52 | webguest65 | becuase i bought my iPod in december of last year |
| 02:22:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | midkay: I came in in the middle, so I kinda assumed he'd been asked, but I don't know if that's been verified actually. |
| 02:22:14 | midkay | Paul_the_Nerd: he verified it but didn't say how.. |
| 02:22:25 | midkay | hm, are you sure you didn't re-extract bootpartition.bin after you screwed it up? |
| 02:22:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | That was my next question too. |
| 02:22:36 | webguest65 | i dunno |
| 02:22:51 | midkay | Paul_the_Nerd did say to skip the first step.. but you might have run it. |
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| 02:23:28 | webguest65 | if it help do u want to know whats in the folder where everytings going right now? |
| 02:24:02 | * | Paul_the_Nerd wanders back to the PS2. |
| 02:24:16 | midkay | noooo. |
| 02:25:01 | midkay | webguest65: did you run this step recently? -> ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin |
| 02:25:06 | midkay | after you got the iTunes error. |
| 02:25:17 | webguest65 | im pretty sure |
| 02:25:19 | webguest65 | i did |
| 02:25:23 | midkay | you weren't supposed to. |
| 02:25:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Specifically, you should only have run it once, EVER, and NEVER after having done an ipodpatcher -w step |
| 02:25:49 | webguest65 | so does that mean i have to start all over again |
| 02:26:18 | midkay | if i'm not mistaken you'll have to do a full "restore". an "update" might work but i've never tried either.. |
| 02:26:31 | midkay | now that you've lost your original bootpartition by re-extracting it.. |
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| 02:27:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | There's also a more complex method using the iPodWizard tool, but I'm not at all familiar with it. |
| 02:27:51 | midkay | you'd use iPodWizard to trick the iPod into thinking its firmware version was outdated and then using the update feature of the apple updater. |
| 02:28:17 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:28:25 | midkay | i think that'd be your two options - iPW+update or just restore. |
| 02:28:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | midkay: I was thinking of the other method, the one where you use it to extract a bootpartition.bin from the updater, since I don't know if you can change the fw version on a borked boot partition |
| 02:29:09 | midkay | Paul_the_Nerd: changing the version just modifies a file in iPod_Control iirc. i never knew iPW could extract a bootpartition.bin - must be a new feature. |
| 02:29:25 | webguest65 | is that easy to do ? |
| 02:29:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | midkay: Every now and then someone says that it can, but I don't know how or anything. |
| 02:30:12 | webguest65 | don't bother with it know im already running the iPod restore |
| 02:30:17 | midkay | i don't think it can. |
| 02:30:22 | midkay | webguest65: that's the easiest way. |
| 02:31:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | midkay: Ah well, doesn't affect me. I still have my original bootpartition.bin from the day I first installed Rockbox on my Nano, before we even had sound, backed up on a disk around here somewhere |
| 02:31:08 | | Part pixelma |
| 02:31:21 | midkay | yeah, i still have mine as well. |
| 02:32:47 | webguest65 | then should i delete everything in the rockbox folder? |
| 02:33:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | ipod_fw.exe, bootoader-video.bin (or was it bootloader-5g.bin?) and ipodpatcher.exe are still necessary. |
| 02:33:52 | | Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:34:07 | webguest65 | how come??? can't my ipod is getting restored so why still keep em |
| 02:34:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, I mean, if you don't want to install Rockbox any more, you don't need them. |
| 02:34:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | But you have to use them as part of the install process. |
| 02:34:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | So either keep them, or redownload them |
| 02:35:11 | webguest65 | ill try to install rockbox again but can't i just re downloade em? |
| 02:35:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, you can, as I just said. |
| 02:35:44 | webguest65 | oh srry my fault |
| 02:36:49 | webguest65 | just wondering does anyone know the key combinations? |
| 02:37:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Key combinations? |
| 02:38:21 | webguest65 | its another method to restore your iPod if the itunes restore method don't work |
| 02:38:29 | webguest65 | its on ipodlinux.org |
| 02:39:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think you're misunderstanding whatever's there. |
| 02:39:59 | webguest65 | really? how so? |
| 02:39:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | An iPod cannot be restored with just a key combination. |
| 02:40:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, link me to what you're talking about. |
| 02:40:20 | webguest65 | the sites down rite now |
| 02:40:59 | webguest65 | i think they're updating the servers |
| 02:41:40 | webguest65 | u can also use the hp reformatting tool |
| 02:42:10 | webguest65 | and then use itunes's restore method to ur ipod work again |
| 02:43:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, do an extra step and then the same thing? |
| 02:44:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | The HP reformat tool is an optional step, as an easy method to reformat if you've screwed up the formatting. |
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| 03:04:46 | Soap | webguest65 - so where are you at? |
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| 03:10:30 | Soap | I have a solution for you that saves you the step of doing an Apple restore, which will remove your music IIRC. |
| 03:20:46 | | Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:23:59 | webguest65 | here |
| 03:24:06 | webguest65 | dinner time ttyl |
| 03:25:31 | Soap | the question was where were you in your install/restore process? |
| 03:25:53 | Soap | for if you want my bootpartition.bin you should accept the file transfer now, so you can use it after dinner. |
| 03:26:01 | Soap | seeing as it is quite large. |
| 03:27:36 | | Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:27:41 | Soap | with the clean bootpartition.bin file you can restore with one command and no loss of music. |
| 03:28:26 | | Quit PaulJam (".") |
| 03:36:56 | webguest65 | back |
| 03:36:59 | webguest65 | how do i accept |
| 03:38:23 | Soap | I don't know, you might need to use a real IRC client. |
| 03:38:36 | webguest65 | can't u just email to me |
| 03:38:42 | Soap | 110 megs? no. |
| 03:39:45 | webguest65 | k where do i go to sign up |
| 03:40:08 | Soap | If you can't speak in complete sentances I can't help you. |
| 03:40:31 | webguest65 | Okay, so where do i go to sign up for the IRC web client? |
| 03:41:08 | Soap | When I said you might need to use a real IRC client, I ment anything _but_ the web client. |
| 03:41:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:41:40 | Soap | There isn't a tab at the top of the screen or anything indicating that I am trying to do a DCC file transfer? |
| 03:42:15 | webguest65 | no |
| 03:42:19 | Soap | Dang., |
| 03:42:38 | webguest65 | just send via email |
| 03:42:46 | webguest65 | my inbox can hold up to 2gigs |
| 03:43:08 | Soap | This is 110 megs. |
| 03:43:24 | Soap | I don't know if my mail server will let it out the door. |
| 03:43:33 | webguest65 | what u use? |
| 03:44:02 | Soap | gmail or slashmail. |
| 03:44:15 | webguest65 | i use aim and hotmail |
| 03:45:04 | Soap | neither of which allow attachements that large. |
| 03:45:22 | Soap | they allow your total account to be that large, but not a single attachment. |
| 03:45:59 | webguest65 | so how did you create ur soap "screen name?" |
| 03:46:15 | Soap | The issue of screen name is not the problem we are having. |
| 03:46:29 | Soap | The issue is it appears the web client does not allow file transfers. |
| 03:46:46 | webguest65 | i see |
| 03:47:23 | | Join linuxstb [0] (i=ce30e6b6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 03:47:27 | Soap | When you selected the web client from the rockbox IRC web page, you had a field you could have filled in any name you wanted, but it defaults to webguestNN. |
| 03:47:42 | Soap | you could always use the /nick command to change it. |
| 03:47:54 | webguest65 | how so |
| 03:47:58 | webguest65 | i know im a noob |
| 03:48:02 | Soap | by entering "/nick MyNickname" no quotes. |
| 03:48:30 | webguest65 | at the irc webpage? |
| 03:48:40 | Soap | in the chat box. |
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| 03:51:36 | sneh | screw it |
| 03:51:51 | sneh | ill just restore my iPod and try again later |
| 03:53:01 | Soap | not to rub salt into your wounds, but ...ahh forget it. |
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| 03:53:57 | gfather | hay guys |
| 03:54:51 | gfather | im a noobie |
| 03:55:00 | gfather | so pleas can anybody help me |
| 03:55:10 | Soap | not if you don't ask a question. |
| 03:55:44 | gfather | ok so im trying to install rockbox on a mini 2g ipod |
| 03:56:09 | gfather | and it says cannot open loader image file bootloader-mini2g.bin |
| 03:56:27 | Soap | did you download said image? |
| 03:56:35 | gfather | ?? |
| 03:56:48 | Soap | did you download bootloader-mini2g.bin? |
| 03:56:53 | gfather | im doing it step by step as the manual |
| 03:57:22 | gfather | no .. can u give me a link pleas |
| 03:58:18 | linuxstb | It should be given in the first installation step in the manual. |
| 03:58:33 | Soap | 2.2.2 |
| 03:58:34 | Soap | The process is different depending on your operating system, but before starting, connect the player to the computer using either an USB cable. Next, create a folder on the computer’s hard drive and download the following file to that folder: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-mini1g.bin or http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-mini2g.bin depending on which generation your player is |
| 03:58:50 | Soap | ^^from the manual. |
| 03:59:25 | gfather | i downloaded the latest zip file and unpacked it , and the ipodpatcher.exe and the ipod_fw.exe |
| 03:59:44 | Soap | right, but you failed to read all the instructions. |
| 03:59:57 | Soap | what I pasted was right out of the manual you said you were reading. |
| 03:59:59 | Soap | section 2.2.2 |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:25 | Soap | right below the warning, right before the instructions to download ipodpatcher.exe and ipod_fw.exe |
| 04:00:49 | Soap | sorry for acting pissy. |
| 04:00:50 | gfather | yah :) |
| 04:01:28 | gfather | thats ok ... maybe i was distracted from all the reading |
| 04:01:30 | gfather | thnx alot man .. |
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| 04:01:58 | gfather | and ill be connected if any thing hapend :) |
| 04:02:44 | Soap | looking at that line I pasted, needs the word "either" trimmed out. |
| 04:06:52 | gfather | what is the best build for ipod mini ?? |
| 04:07:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | The only build we provide support for is the official one. |
| 04:07:57 | gfather | i downloaded the latest zip |
| 04:12:07 | gfather | do after ipodpatcher -w n rockboot.bin all i have to do is copy the rockbox.ipod and the folder to the ipod |
| 04:12:11 | gfather | right |
| 04:12:50 | | Part Paul_the_Nerd |
| 04:13:42 | gfather | ?? |
| 04:14:41 | Soap | Oh, if that was a question the answer is yes. |
| 04:15:39 | gfather | :) |
| 04:16:17 | Soap | Well, when you don't punctuate or speak in complete sentances it is hard to tell what exactly you want. |
| 04:16:50 | Soap | Tone of voice and inflection don't compress into text very well. |
| 04:17:20 | gfather | oks |
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| 04:25:16 | wibbix | Hi. So... I'm able to boot into rockbox now. At least, I'm able to get to main(). |
| 04:25:38 | wibbix | However, I can't seem to jump out of main... say, to app_main. |
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| 04:26:45 | mrtorrez | hello? |
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| 04:27:23 | wibbix | Is it possible the vector copy is overwriting that segment? |
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| 04:31:45 | wibbix | I also tried adding some space at the beginning of the memory block (.space 50*4) |
| 04:32:02 | martian67 | anyone know hw\ow to use the ipod 5.5 installer |
| 04:32:22 | Soap | no such thing exists. |
| 04:32:28 | martian67 | not true |
| 04:33:01 | Soap | let me rephrase. No such official thing exists. |
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| 04:33:15 | Sas | hi |
| 04:33:21 | Sas | any admin here? |
| 04:33:30 | Sas | hello? |
| 04:33:34 | Sas | i need help here |
| 04:33:36 | Sas | anyone? |
| 04:33:47 | wibbix | please state the nature of the emergency... |
| 04:34:06 | Sas | =.= |
| 04:34:06 | Sas | HALLO |
| 04:34:14 | martian67 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 04:34:31 | martian67 | i was just curios if anyone knew how to use i |
| 04:35:46 | Soap | yea martian67 - I'm familiar with that wiki page, what is the question. |
| 04:36:33 | martian67 | how do you use the 5.5 installer? |
| 04:36:52 | Soap | link me to said 5.5 installer. |
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| 04:37:19 | martian67 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 04:37:29 | martian67 | bottom of page |
| 04:37:44 | SasAS | erm... sorry dced |
| 04:37:58 | martian67 | ipodpatcher sais "invalid parameter" when a try to dump the firmware |
| 04:38:13 | Soap | martian67 - you see the name at the bottom of the page? |
| 04:38:16 | Soap | That's my name. |
| 04:38:24 | Soap | Where on the page is the 5.5G ipod installer?> |
| 04:38:58 | Soap | ahh, you mean the modified ipod_fw |
| 04:39:07 | Soap | there is a thread about that in the forums. |
| 04:39:14 | martian67 | ah thnx |
| 04:39:17 | SasAS | anyone here can help me? |
| 04:39:26 | Soap | do you have a 30 or an 80 GB model? |
| 04:39:38 | SasAS | i am havin problem installing rockbox to my 8gb 2nd generation ipod nano |
| 04:40:22 | SasAS | i've folo the steps but i'm stuck when i'm trying to locate my ipod |
| 04:40:36 | SasAS | i tried from 1,2,3,4.....100.. |
| 04:40:48 | Soap | SasAS - that is because the 2nd generation Nano is not supported by rockbox. |
| 04:40:52 | martian67 | Soap 30 |
| 04:40:58 | SasAS | owh |
| 04:41:00 | SasAS | ic |
| 04:41:06 | SasAS | thank you |
| 04:41:11 | Soap | It has as much in common with the 1st generation nano as the space shuttle does with the saturn V. |
| 04:41:28 | martian67 | got a link to the thread? |
| 04:41:31 | SasAS | ic.. okay thank you very much |
| 04:41:33 | Soap | martian67 - that file has a date of October 12th. |
| 04:42:01 | Soap | martian67 - read the ENTIRE thread on the 5.5G. There are LOTS of problems still, and I'm not sure that is the most recent file. |
| 04:42:31 | Soap | SasAS - the manual was just fixed a little bit ago to clarify that. Sorry about the confusion. |
| 04:43:32 | | Part wibbix |
| 04:43:40 | SasAS | i still dont get it |
| 04:44:06 | SasAS | i've followed every step on the manual |
| 04:44:19 | SasAS | i stilll cant locate my ipod |
| 04:44:50 | Soap | SasAS - Your nano can not run rockbox. |
| 04:45:15 | Soap | It is the first nano (don't bring up the shuffle) with 100% different hardware. |
| 04:45:48 | SasAS | ic |
| 04:45:57 | SasAS | when will b the next release out? |
| 04:46:07 | Soap | An Iriver h100 has more in common with the 1st generation Nano than the 2nd generation nano does. |
| 04:46:21 | Soap | SasAS Who knows? It is going to take ALOT of work. |
| 04:46:46 | SasAS | yeap.. all the best to the team |
| 04:47:07 | SasAS | actually how does rockbox work? |
| 04:47:57 | midkay_ | lawn gnomes. |
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| 04:49:23 | midkay | haha. |
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| 04:52:41 | martian67 | Soap |
| 04:53:05 | martian67 | is there a patched ipodpatcher? |
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| 04:53:52 | RonakSha | Will someone give me write permissions for the Wiki? RonakSha |
| 04:54:31 | scorche | If you will pledge to offer your firstborn to me if you ever spam |
| 04:54:43 | RonakSha | Deal |
| 04:54:50 | RonakSha | not only My firstborn |
| 04:54:54 | RonakSha | Badgers first born too |
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| 04:55:35 | scorche | now that isnt very nice... |
| 04:55:47 | RonakSha | Just kidding |
| 04:55:53 | scorche | done |
| 04:55:59 | RonakSha | thank you |
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| 05:00:06 | RonakSha | my firstest ever wiki post |
| 05:00:09 | RonakSha | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 05:00:22 | scorche | truly epic... |
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| 05:01:23 | RonakSha | are you proud of me pops? |
| 05:02:16 | scorche | not really...but i will give you more time |
| 05:02:32 | RonakSha | good |
| 05:02:45 | RonakSha | How come there are no other H10's in that topic |
| 05:02:56 | RonakSha | I feel lonley there |
| 05:03:16 | Soap | you should do a runtime test on the original firmware also |
| 05:03:33 | Soap | Your number would be more meaningful with that comparison. |
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| 05:04:14 | RonakSha | I cant though, can I? there is no way for me to techincaly do that except measure how much time it stays on |
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| 05:04:59 | Soap | yep |
| 05:05:29 | Soap | you also should mention if you were in a WPS or on the Menu screen, and any settings you had set, like EQ, crossfeed, etc. |
| 05:05:39 | Soap | anything which affects CPU usage. |
| 05:05:59 | RonakSha | Allright |
| 05:06:04 | RonakSha | let me do that now |
| 05:06:10 | Soap | the more details the better. I know most of the earlier reports weren't so verbose, but can't change the past. |
| 05:06:45 | Soap | I also just moved your entry to the bottom, since the entries are in date order, though someone should probably take the effort sometime to group them by model. |
| 05:06:54 | linuxstb | 4hrs is even less than the ipods get... |
| 05:07:01 | RonakSha | Yeah |
| 05:07:02 | RonakSha | its terrible |
| 05:07:23 | * | linuxstb remembers CPU scaling is disabled on the H10. |
| 05:07:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: My Nano got 7 and a half before we enabled it on iPods |
| 05:07:50 | Soap | ok, my edit didn't take due to us both editing at the same time. |
| 05:07:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though the H10s don't get horribly great battery life in retail either, do they? |
| 05:08:01 | RonakSha | It did |
| 05:08:24 | RonakSha | I got about 13 hours Original FW |
| 05:08:31 | RonakSha | not great |
| 05:08:35 | RonakSha | but not terrible |
| 05:09:12 | linuxstb | RonakSha: As Soap said, a _current_ test with the original FW to compare to Rockbox would make your result more useful. (i.e. with the battery in its current condition) |
| 05:09:31 | RonakSha | I'll revert to the original fw tonight |
| 05:09:34 | RonakSha | and test tommorow |
| 05:09:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Also, you didn't skip, or do anything that wakes up backlight, during your testing did you? |
| 05:10:02 | RonakSha | no, added to the notes |
| 05:10:14 | Soap | you can plug the headphone jack into the line-in on your sound card, and record the output - makes an easy way to tell when the battery died w/o being there. |
| 05:10:17 | RonakSha | I used the backlight once every 15 minutes for approx 40 seconds |
| 05:10:32 | RonakSha | Good Idea |
| 05:10:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Once every 15 minutes of backlight usage can make a pretty big difference... |
| 05:10:42 | RonakSha | I'll let it run tonight |
| 05:10:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Especially for 40 seconds of use. |
| 05:10:50 | RonakSha | Well I assumed thats general useage |
| 05:10:55 | RonakSha | Find another song |
| 05:11:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | Skipping tracks also is a big power drain. |
| 05:11:06 | RonakSha | or volume |
| 05:11:11 | RonakSha | Tracks werent skipped |
| 05:11:13 | RonakSha | wait |
| 05:11:15 | RonakSha | let me add all this |
| 05:11:19 | Soap | you also probably want to test with a playlist long enough to more than fill up the audio buffer. |
| 05:11:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | I thought you said "find another track" |
| 05:11:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | RonakSha: At the very top of the page it links to a description of what methodology should be followed for testing. |
| 05:12:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | A few things about it are outdated (the plugin it mentions, for example) but most of that should still be followed |
| 05:12:22 | linuxstb | RonakSha: The runtime tests aren't designed for measuring "general usage" runtime, but a "best case" runtime - mainly to compare with the original firmware. |
| 05:12:32 | RonakSha | ah |
| 05:12:37 | RonakSha | Ill know for next time then |
| 05:12:49 | Soap | it's cool, didn't mean to gang up on you. |
| 05:12:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | I bet if I turned my backligh on permanently my iPod Nano would get less than an hour runtime |
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| 05:13:16 | Soap | you'd think from how stingy the original firmware is with the backlight. |
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| 05:14:10 | RonakSha | Just reverted to the old firmware, brings back memories |
| 05:14:20 | RonakSha | I will be back tomorow with results |
| 05:14:23 | RonakSha | Thanks for the help! |
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| 05:16:50 | pf-inet | wtf |
| 05:16:52 | pf-inet | what are they doing to my poor dsl line |
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| 05:23:02 | Soap | dang, I just filled up my ipod. |
| 05:23:18 | Soap | need to rerip those audiobooks at a lower rate. |
| 05:25:19 | chris088589 | Soap could you put a xvid or divx movie on the ipod? |
| 05:25:57 | scorche | chris088589: you can put anything you want on it...but it wont play on the ipod if that is what you are asking |
| 05:26:17 | chris088589 | you cant watch a movie on the rockbox? |
| 05:26:29 | scorche | not xvid or divx |
| 05:26:42 | chris088589 | come on devoplers! |
| 05:26:47 | scorche | read PluginMpegplayer on the wiki |
| 05:26:48 | chris088589 | :) work your magic |
| 05:26:59 | chris088589 | we need devoplers :) |
| 05:27:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | chris088589: Video playback is hardly a major focus of the project. |
| 05:27:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | But if you feel it's important, feel free to work on it. |
| 05:27:31 | chris088589 | what would i need paul a c complier? |
| 05:28:10 | scorche | all you "need" is a text editor and a knowledge of C among other things |
| 05:28:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | GCC, an MPEG4 decoder that is or can be converted to fixed point and is GPL-compatibly licensed, and some time to convert it into a plugin. |
| 05:28:51 | chris088589 | Paul do you dev. ? |
| 05:29:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | I would say that I don't. |
| 05:29:24 | chris088589 | http://opensource.zapto.org/index.htm |
| 05:29:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | At least, not in regards to Rockbox. |
| 05:29:39 | chris088589 | I am going to show rockbox on my website |
| 05:30:06 | chris088589 | Is that ok to do? |
| 05:30:26 | chris088589 | Trying to advertise a little bit so you guys get more people |
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| 05:31:12 | chris088589 | I switched from linux to windows |
| 05:31:14 | chris088589 | haha |
| 05:31:22 | chris088589 | its running ok.. |
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| 06:13:28 | gfather | hay guys |
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| 06:13:48 | gfather | i downloaded a theme and i want to install what should i do ?? |
| 06:14:52 | scorche | was there a .rockbox folder inside the zip? |
| 06:15:16 | hobbesmaster | has anyone had any trouble when installing on a 4g ipod? |
| 06:15:30 | scorche | hobbesmaster: what trouble? |
| 06:15:43 | hobbesmaster | uh, the ipod won't restart |
| 06:16:10 | hobbesmaster | its continuously going through the apple logo, stopping and showing the apple logo again, the hard drive powers up, and then powers right back down |
| 06:16:25 | gfather | informal_ter and informal_ter.wsp |
| 06:16:56 | scorche | hobbesmaster: then you most likely did something incorrectly with the bootloader |
| 06:17:30 | hobbesmaster | well, i followed the instructions exactly on the wiki |
| 06:17:58 | hobbesmaster | er not wiki, this page http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 06:19:12 | scorche | since it doesnt work, i am sure there was something that you did wrong |
| 06:19:31 | gfather | i downloaded a theme and i want to install what should i do ?? |
| 06:19:35 | scorche | was there anything that you messed up and tried to correct, etc? |
| 06:19:46 | gfather | the file contain informal_ter and informal_ter.wsp |
| 06:19:47 | scorche | gfather: i heard you the first time |
| 06:20:00 | gfather | aha ok .. |
| 06:20:01 | hobbesmaster | well, i can copy/paste off the terminal |
| 06:20:13 | scorche | use pastebin.ca place |
| 06:20:13 | gfather | sorry for reeposting |
| 06:20:16 | scorche | please |
| 06:20:37 | hobbesmaster | is there a paste dump I should use? |
| 06:21:09 | scorche | as i said...pastebin.ca |
| 06:22:11 | scorche | gfather: unzip it to the wps folder in the .rockbox folder |
| 06:23:09 | hobbesmaster | er wait a second, the bootloader-4g.bin file was bad |
| 06:23:53 | gfather | i did that but it wouldent apear |
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| 06:27:16 | hobbesmaster | http://pastebin.ca/216506 |
| 06:28:05 | gfather | and my ipod just froze .. what shuld i do ? |
| 06:28:37 | gfather | wait until the battery wil be empty .. it will talke more than a day |
| 06:29:18 | midkay | no, just reset it.. menu+select for 5 seconds. |
| 06:29:43 | gfather | select ?? |
| 06:29:59 | midkay | the center button. |
| 06:30:12 | gfather | didnt work |
| 06:30:23 | midkay | you didn't hold it long enough. |
| 06:30:31 | midkay | hold them both at the same time for 5 full seconds. |
| 06:30:31 | gfather | worked after 20 |
| 06:30:51 | midkay | it's a hardware thing and can't be changed. it's 5 seconds and there's no way it could be longer. |
| 06:31:38 | gfather | ok :) |
| 06:33:05 | gfather | still having problem with the theme |
| 06:35:14 | hobbesmaster | so is there anything I can do? |
| 06:38:21 | midkay | *views* |
| 06:39:37 | scorche | hobbesmaster: it looks fine to me... |
| 06:40:03 | hobbesmaster | the ipod disagrees :( |
| 06:40:51 | scorche | did you get the bootloader from our site? |
| 06:40:58 | hobbesmaster | i downloaded the bootloader again... the first one was less than 53kb |
| 06:41:00 | hobbesmaster | yes |
| 06:41:16 | hobbesmaster | the second time i downloaded it (just now) its 53.0KB |
| 06:41:51 | scorche | that is correct |
| 06:42:07 | hobbesmaster | thats not the one i put on the ipod with dd though :( |
| 06:42:13 | scorche | no |
| 06:42:24 | scorche | you combine it with the one you extract |
| 06:42:30 | scorche | which you did |
| 06:43:07 | hobbesmaster | ok... |
| 06:43:31 | hobbesmaster | then whats going on with the ipod? |
| 06:43:44 | scorche | oh... |
| 06:43:46 | scorche | i see |
| 06:43:51 | hobbesmaster | and what (if anything) can be done about it? |
| 06:44:07 | scorche | you copied the bootloader-4g.bin to the device |
| 06:44:14 | scorche | copy rockboot.bin to the device |
| 06:45:07 | scorche | ...i dont know why i didnt catch that before |
| 06:45:10 | hobbesmaster | its not mounting... all its doing is continuously showing the apple logo and then shutting off, then showing the apple logo again |
| 06:45:30 | scorche | enable disk mode |
| 06:45:35 | scorche | hold select and play |
| 06:46:26 | hobbesmaster | doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 06:46:44 | hobbesmaster | oh there it goes |
| 06:46:49 | hobbesmaster | ok |
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| 06:47:51 | scorche | and of course, by copy, i mean dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdd1 |
| 06:47:56 | hobbesmaster | yes |
| 06:49:02 | hobbesmaster | ok |
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| 06:54:34 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I have feedback for you |
| 06:54:44 | Davide-NYC | but prob not the kind you want |
| 06:54:58 | Davide-NYC | you here? |
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| 07:21:29 | Injection | hey is anyone makeing a port for creative zen vision m ? |
| 07:23:13 | Injection | is anyone? |
| 07:23:34 | scorche | Injection: look at the thread for it in the new ports forum |
| 07:24:06 | Injection | k i have been |
| 07:24:15 | Injection | but no1 has found out how |
| 07:24:25 | Injection | theres been 5 pages |
| 07:24:35 | Injection | talking about zen vision m |
| 07:25:42 | Injection | and something els |
| 07:26:01 | Injection | if they geta rockbox to work on creative zen vision m |
| 07:26:11 | Injection | would it be possible putting linux on it |
| 07:26:24 | scorche | well, any developments will most likely be put into that thread |
| 07:26:43 | Injection | k |
| 07:28:36 | Injection | it would be easier once that get that yeh/ |
| 07:28:36 | Injection | ? |
| 07:29:16 | scorche | ...i have no idea what you just said |
| 07:30:53 | Injection | once they get rockbox working on creative zen vision m it would be easier to put linux on it yeh? |
| 07:31:50 | scorche | im sure, but i have no idea about how the creatives are |
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| 07:37:10 | godzirra | Anyone know where kalthare's patch for 5.5 is? |
| 07:37:13 | godzirra | i cant seem to find it |
| 07:38:26 | godzirra | nevermind |
| 07:38:27 | godzirra | just found it |
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| 08:37:16 | Injection | hey just wanan try can i just boot the boot loader on the creative zen vision m? |
| 08:37:21 | Injection | or is that to hardf |
| 08:37:22 | Injection | ? |
| 08:37:45 | Bagder | there is no rockbox boot loader for zen vision m |
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| 08:50:26 | Injection | k |
| 08:50:45 | Injection | i hope there is going to be one so many people really want it then anything els |
| 08:51:14 | Bagder | well, there are zero devs working on it |
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| 08:51:21 | Injection | how do u no |
| 08:51:24 | Bagder | and zero creative owners wanting to become devs |
| 08:51:25 | Injection | where do u find that out |
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| 08:51:47 | Bagder | here, in the rockbox mailing lists and the rockbox forums |
| 08:51:58 | Injection | k |
| 08:52:01 | Bagder | ie where the rockbox community hangs out |
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| 08:52:14 | Injection | mabe i should just buy an ipod |
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| 08:52:49 | dan_a | You could try learning Rockbox development |
| 08:52:56 | Injection | wher do u find that out |
| 08:53:20 | dan_a | www.rockbox.org and here. |
| 08:54:51 | scorche | although, you would probably have to learn C as well |
| 08:54:58 | Injection | c? |
| 08:55:00 | Injection | what |
| 08:55:03 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 08:55:09 | markun | the programming language |
| 08:55:10 | Injection | lo |
| 08:55:21 | scorche | haha...knew it =) |
| 08:55:34 | * | myzar hands Injection a "C for dummies" book |
| 08:55:38 | myzar | =P |
| 08:55:53 | Injection | im willing to pay $100 to put creative zen vision m on linux |
| 08:56:09 | Bagder | wow |
| 08:56:14 | Bagder | big money ;-) |
| 08:56:18 | Injection | lol |
| 08:56:24 | myzar | pfft |
| 08:56:26 | markun | Injection: find some embedded linux hackers then |
| 08:56:29 | myzar | can $100 even buy one? |
| 08:56:31 | Bagder | I usually charge more per hour for my contracting ;-) |
| 08:57:05 | myzar | over 100 dollars an hour? |
| 08:57:07 | myzar | you crazy, bagder! |
| 08:57:09 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:57:12 | markun | Injection: try the ipodlinux guys |
| 08:57:18 | Injection | k |
| 08:57:18 | myzar | i can imagine you working 8 hours a day |
| 08:57:19 | myzar | for a month |
| 08:57:25 | myzar | over this "contract" |
| 08:58:03 | markun | Injection: Do you want to "put creative zen vision m on linux" or put linux on the Zen? |
| 08:58:09 | scorche | markun: come now...they would probably be less willing than we are....after all...they would have to change the name! |
| 08:58:26 | Bagder | hehe |
| 08:58:37 | Bagder | porting Linux is more work that porting Rockbox |
| 08:58:49 | scorche | that too =) |
| 08:58:51 | Bagder | than |
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| 09:00:53 | * | Injection slaps myzar around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:00:54 | markun | Injection: why are you so interested in a linux port? |
| 09:00:59 | Injection | well |
| 09:01:12 | Injection | when i saw ipod could do that |
| 09:01:21 | * | Bagder thinks linux on a DAP makes very little sense |
| 09:01:23 | Injection | it just so good |
| 09:01:51 | scorche | Bagder: yes...BSD on a tamagotchi makes much more... |
| 09:01:53 | BHSPitLappy | Bagder, but rockbox is immune to the illogic? |
| 09:01:58 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, you're kidding... |
| 09:02:00 | Bagder | BHSPitLappy: indeed |
| 09:02:06 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: of course i am |
| 09:02:11 | Bagder | rockbox is a music player system |
| 09:02:12 | BHSPitLappy | lol I would be stunned |
| 09:02:24 | scorche | but i believe it was done... |
| 09:02:33 | scorche | not sure though.. |
| 09:02:35 | BHSPitLappy | oh, that's what I was hoping you were kidding about |
| 09:02:47 | BHSPitLappy | the sarcasm was a given |
| 09:03:15 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: you are too gullible =) |
| 09:03:48 | BHSPitLappy | well, the logical part of me just says, "Come on. You KNOW that's just flat out ridiculous; the hardware in those things-" |
| 09:04:14 | BHSPitLappy | and THAT's when the irrational side of me says, "Wait! you might end up looking stupid! Concede to the possibility!" |
| 09:04:24 | BHSPitLappy | "Look what they did with iPods!" |
| 09:04:31 | BHSPitLappy | and so begins the internal conflict |
| 09:05:03 | markun | Injection: I can imagine fun uses for linux on a DAP (using GPS or a wifi dongle over USB) but if you just want to play music I don't think it's worth the efford. |
| 09:05:32 | scorche | ya know...that is one thing that isnt too good...that side that says "dont say it! you will look stupid!"...we both need to get rid of that said...it is how people learn after all |
| 09:05:39 | BHSPitLappy | oh, iPodLinux cares very little about its music playback |
| 09:06:02 | scorche | s/said/side |
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| 09:16:37 | scorche | jees...anyone read the forbes article on Stallman? |
| 09:18:08 | BHSPitLappy | all the damn names in the OSS community.... |
| 09:18:14 | scorche | http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104_print.html |
| 09:18:14 | scorche | ;) |
| 09:18:50 | BHSPitLappy | it's hard enough figuring my History class out, let alone remembering all these peoples' identities |
| 09:22:26 | BHSPitLappy | "A cantankerous and finger-wagging freewheeler, Stallman won't comment on any of this because he was upset by a previous story written by this writer." |
| 09:22:48 | scorche | he really ripped stallman a new one... |
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| 09:23:06 | Bagder | well, this author (of that article) is a known linux-FUDer |
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| 09:23:52 | scorche | it links an atricle at the bottom that has something to do with "Torvalds The Traitor" |
| 09:25:28 | BHSPitLappy | wow |
| 09:25:38 | BHSPitLappy | halfway down it really starts getting ugly |
| 09:26:08 | BHSPitLappy | omg FUD! HE'S SOOO BANNED |
| 09:26:18 | scorche | o_O |
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| 09:29:31 | hcs | I suppose that to readers of Forbes "anticapitalist" must be quite an insult. |
| 09:31:28 | Bagder | we all already know GPL is anti-american and communistic |
| 09:32:06 | Quazgaa | which is why its good |
| 09:32:10 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:32:34 | LinusN | and linux is a "wondrous bit of code" :-) |
| 09:32:57 | Bagder | wondrous? |
| 09:33:35 | Bagder | ah |
| 09:33:40 | * | Bagder looked it up |
| 09:34:00 | LinusN | well, it's the "bit of code" i reacted to |
| 09:34:31 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:34:41 | Bagder | well, its still less than 50MB bz2 compressed! ;-P |
| 09:35:34 | hcs | wow, this is quite an article... |
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| 09:36:13 | LinusN | indeed |
| 09:36:20 | LinusN | i like this: "Cisco caved in to Stallman's demands rather than endure months of abuse from his noisy worldwide cult of online jihadists" |
| 09:36:33 | Bagder | hahahaha |
| 09:36:37 | LinusN | i.e Cisco didn't get away with stealing |
| 09:36:38 | * | Bagder falls off his chair |
| 09:36:58 | scorche | Bagder: there was a reason i linked it ;) |
| 09:37:11 | Bagder | I just read the comments on it on slashdot |
| 09:37:24 | scorche | oooo..i havent yet |
| 09:37:33 | * | BHSPitLappy just finished |
| 09:37:34 | Bagder | well, not very exciting |
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| 09:38:24 | BHSPitLappy | uh oh |
| 09:38:29 | BHSPitLappy | slashdot is a bad place |
| 09:38:52 | BHSPitLappy | and this is prime /. flamewar fodder |
| 09:38:53 | Bagder | nah, slashdot is a decent place, you just need to filter what you read |
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| 09:45:00 | preglow | you'd need to filter everything... |
| 09:45:25 | hcs | ah, the funny stuff is the people who really get pissed off |
| 09:45:32 | LinusN | well, in this case, the entire article needs filtering :-) |
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| 09:46:28 | preglow | use of alliterations in serious articles should be outlawed |
| 09:46:52 | preglow | anarchist acolytes, wtf |
| 09:46:56 | preglow | especially when it's not even correct |
| 09:46:58 | LinusN | actually, i don't think forbes should get away with publishing lying crap like that |
| 09:47:28 | preglow | hahah, i smell a small bias in this articles |
| 09:47:31 | hcs | Is that typical of what they publish? I've never read it before, only know by reputation. |
| 09:47:32 | preglow | and from forbes, who'da thunk it |
| 09:48:32 | Bagder | "As programmers wrote hundreds of building blocks to add to Linux, Stallman's Free Software Foundation persuaded them to hand over their copyrights to the group and let it handle licensing of their code" |
| 09:48:41 | preglow | what the bloody hell does gplv3 have to do with linux? this articles makes them seem to be interlinked |
| 09:48:49 | Bagder | he's utterly confused |
| 09:49:11 | preglow | oh well, i'll just take comfort in the fact that he's probably already been very corrected thousands of times by now |
| 09:49:28 | preglow | it's just a pity that journalists don't have an obligation to correct the lies they spread |
| 09:49:44 | preglow | they should feel they have one, of course... |
| 09:50:05 | preglow | but my experience with any kind of journalist has taught me they're all indecent swine |
| 09:50:32 | Bagder | is it april 1st today? |
| 09:50:50 | JdGordon | didnt you get the message? |
| 09:50:56 | JdGordon | memo* |
| 09:51:11 | preglow | A cantankerous and finger-wagging freewheeler <- eh |
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| 09:51:39 | hcs | strange, my xterm is dimmed |
| 09:52:28 | preglow | this can't be serious... |
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| 09:53:15 | hcs | it struck me as trying to get a reaction from Free Software enthusiasts |
| 09:53:24 | Bagder | flame bait I'd say |
| 09:53:37 | hcs | it goes a bit overboard to be intended as misinformation |
| 09:53:39 | Bagder | no one can take that article seriously |
| 09:54:18 | hcs | Bagder: stop saying exactly what I'm saying more succinctly! |
| 09:54:34 | hcs | well, approximately |
| 09:54:36 | Bagder | :-P |
| 09:54:56 | Bagder | I'll be your mind reader today |
| 09:56:56 | preglow | finest piece of flamebait i've seen in forbes, yes |
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| 10:04:14 | markun | Bagder: wibbix got the rockbox to execute on his gigabeat, but calling other functions from main() doesn't work (doesn't do anything). Does this sound like a problem with the stack? |
| 10:04:34 | Bagder | indeed |
| 10:05:18 | Bagder | check what it points to and what the stack should be according to the .map |
| 10:05:19 | markun | Can't wait to see the rockbox file browser on my gigabeat.. |
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| 10:17:09 | preglow | doesn't sound like it should be to long before you will |
| 10:17:26 | preglow | markun: have you gotten interrupts up and going? |
| 10:17:42 | markun | no, not yet |
| 10:18:01 | markun | disabled the sleep loop for now |
| 10:18:24 | preglow | ok, so stack checking is at least operational |
| 10:18:34 | preglow | weird it doesn't detect it |
| 10:19:22 | markun | wibbix was asking about it here last night, but of course europe was sleeping |
| 10:19:46 | petur | *yawn* |
| 10:20:04 | markun | morning :) |
| 10:25:18 | lini | hi, having problems with the progress bar on some longer tracks on a 5g ipod - is that a known issue? |
| 10:25:30 | LinusN | define "problems" |
| 10:25:36 | LinusN | and "long" |
| 10:26:03 | lini | well the progress bar is full even though the track has around 40 mins left, and by long i mean 2 hours + |
| 10:26:06 | JdGordon | and hi |
| 10:26:13 | JdGordon | bah |
| 10:26:17 | * | JdGordon should be studying |
| 10:26:27 | LinusN | lini: VBR? |
| 10:26:39 | lini | 192kbps Mp3 |
| 10:27:02 | LinusN | ok, so it's cbr then? |
| 10:27:05 | lini | yes |
| 10:27:22 | lini | it's the latest ASOT by armin |
| 10:27:32 | LinusN | the what by who? |
| 10:27:38 | lini | :) |
| 10:27:46 | LinusN | url? |
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| 10:27:50 | lini | a state of trance by armin van buuren |
| 10:27:55 | LinusN | aha |
| 10:27:55 | lini | its a weekly show |
| 10:28:12 | lini | i tried restarting the player and resuming |
| 10:28:17 | lini | the problem is still there |
| 10:28:29 | LinusN | can i get hold of the file somehow? |
| 10:28:36 | lini | i'm using a 2 days old CVS build |
| 10:29:16 | lini | i am sure it is available on various music sites (torrents?) |
| 10:30:25 | blue_lizard | lini: upload the thing on rapidshare.de and give him the link |
| 10:30:44 | LinusN | is he allowed to? |
| 10:31:19 | lini | will it work? the file is pretty large |
| 10:31:43 | blue_lizard | afaik not more than 100mb |
| 10:32:21 | blue_lizard | he is probably not allowed but he will give you the link in an query and nobody will know |
| 10:32:35 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:32:37 | blue_lizard | so he gets his problem probably solved |
| 10:32:52 | lini | I will try to reproduce the problem again, if i manage to do it reliably then i will look for a way to report it properly |
| 10:33:01 | LinusN | goodie |
| 10:33:08 | blue_lizard | of course it vould have been more intelligent not to mention the title or artist |
| 10:33:19 | lini | i can try with a file with only silence, encoded @ 192kbps cbr |
| 10:33:32 | lini | with the same length |
| 10:33:41 | lini | and the same ID3 info |
| 10:34:00 | blue_lizard | btw LinusN: thank you and the team for rockbox |
| 10:34:05 | LinusN | you're welcome |
| 10:34:23 | lini | also, sometimes i experience another problem (again 5g ipod) - the backlight stays on all the time |
| 10:34:46 | lini | if i go to options and set the backlight to off then it fades away, any other value - it stays constant on |
| 10:35:03 | lini | but this is fixed if i restart, so not a really big issue |
| 10:35:55 | lini | again i will try to reproduce it reliably, otherwise I blame it on the gremlins inside the ipod |
| 10:37:36 | LinusN | those are nasty, try garlic |
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| 10:41:08 | blue_lizard | LinusN: no please not garlic |
| 10:41:09 | Nimdae | is there any progress on using the second core on the ipod? |
| 10:41:33 | blue_lizard | that will keep the gothik style music lovers away |
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| 10:49:16 | * | pondlife wonders if garlic will help with the endless stream of iPod crash reports on Flyspray |
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| 10:50:23 | pondlife | Does anyone who knows think that the CPU frequency scaling experiment patch could be committed as it's better than what we have in CVS? |
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| 10:51:54 | petur | no harm in trying ;) |
| 10:52:14 | scorche` | trying as in committing it? |
| 10:52:17 | pondlife | I just think it might help clear one problem making it easier to work out what else is going on? |
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| 10:52:40 | pondlife | But I know nothing about the patch really, I don't even have an iPod |
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| 10:53:01 | scorche | pondlife: imo, the cut on battery life is too drastic for committing the patch |
| 10:53:13 | pondlife | That's a good reason. |
| 10:53:18 | gfather | hay guys |
| 10:53:19 | aliask | scorche: Currently CPU is left boosted. |
| 10:53:43 | gfather | when i play music it freez every 5 seconds |
| 10:53:44 | pondlife | Better to have short battery life than a crash though |
| 10:53:55 | scorche | aliask: what do you mean? |
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| 10:54:06 | scorche | gfather: what device do you have? |
| 10:54:18 | tucoz | preglow, did you read the wikipedia article on westvleteren? |
| 10:54:18 | gfather | mini 2g 6gb |
| 10:54:41 | petur | *trigger* |
| 10:54:43 | aliask | scorche: On iPods, to get them to be useable at all, CPU scaling is disabled, so they are permanently boosted. (I'm not sure if CVS has it this way or not) |
| 10:54:43 | scorche | by freeze, i assume you mean skip? |
| 10:54:43 | pondlife | Hmm, 2g, eh |
| 10:54:46 | preglow | tucoz: i probably have at some time |
| 10:55:02 | gfather | and only when its shouing the id3 not when im navigating the setting or the menu |
| 10:55:11 | aliask | *PP5020 iPods sorry. |
| 10:55:16 | tucoz | man, norway is too expensive. A 24 bottle crate of the 12, is only ¤30 |
| 10:55:18 | scorche | aliask: are you talking about on all ipods? |
| 10:55:28 | scorche | i was going to say.. |
| 10:55:32 | aliask | :P |
| 10:55:37 | tucoz | and the Blonde is only ¤20 for 24 bottles. |
| 10:55:49 | scorche | and that is what the patch does i thought... |
| 10:55:50 | preglow | tucoz: i know, it's depressing |
| 10:55:51 | * | pondlife gets thirsty before 10am |
| 10:55:53 | tucoz | hehe |
| 10:55:56 | preglow | tucoz: and that is really nice-ass beer to boot |
| 10:56:02 | gfather | no not skipping .. like stoping for 1 second |
| 10:56:08 | tucoz | According to some, the best |
| 10:56:20 | scorche | gfather: that is what we call skipping |
| 10:56:23 | pondlife | CPU issue. Normal for iPods |
| 10:56:26 | preglow | i don't think i'd find it the best, but i'm sure i'd find it damned tasty |
| 10:56:42 | * | petur can't hear all this beer talk at this hour.... |
| 10:56:55 | pondlife | petur: heavy night, was it? |
| 10:57:06 | petur | no |
| 10:57:07 | preglow | 30 euro for a crate of 12 |
| 10:57:07 | preglow | hahahah |
| 10:57:10 | pondlife | ;) |
| 10:57:11 | scorche | gfather: turn off your EQ and crossfade settings...also, use a WPS that doesnt use peakmeters |
| 10:57:18 | preglow | i can't even get a bloody crate of cheap pils for that in norway |
| 10:57:21 | preglow | damned be this country |
| 10:57:29 | tucoz | I would gladly spend ¤30 for a crate of 24 trappist beers |
| 10:57:34 | scorche | aliask: isnt that what the patch does? |
| 10:57:39 | preglow | tucoz: gladly? i'd be extatic! |
| 10:57:43 | tucoz | heeh |
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| 10:58:07 | preglow | i need to go to belgium |
| 10:58:10 | tucoz | me too |
| 10:58:12 | preglow | i really quite seriously do need to do that |
| 10:58:43 | aliask | scorche: Are we both talking about 6095? |
| 10:58:51 | * | petur lives near a nice (big) beershop in .be :p |
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| 10:59:07 | * | pondlife wishes that there were larger disclaimers around the iPod builds to say "YOU MAY HAVE CRASHES or at least GAPS IN YOUR PLAYBACK - DON'T REPORT THEM" |
| 10:59:12 | preglow | petur: where did you live again? gent? |
| 10:59:18 | petur | yes |
| 10:59:24 | preglow | petur: supposedly a nice city for beer |
| 10:59:32 | tucoz | I do not dare to look at rashers map anymore |
| 10:59:33 | scorche | aliask: well, i am ;) |
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| 10:59:52 | preglow | rasher's map is more a black hole than a map right now |
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| 11:00:02 | scorche | he should have it display devs only by default |
| 11:00:03 | tucoz | oh. |
| 11:00:19 | aliask | scorche: That patch changes the way it is scaled, instead of using PLL it does some other magic. |
| 11:00:23 | preglow | it seriously lags down whatever browser i toss at it |
| 11:00:23 | preglow | hah |
| 11:00:23 | preglow | a |
| 11:00:36 | pondlife | So does it kill battery life? I don't see reports of that |
| 11:00:37 | aliask | *changing PLL |
| 11:00:40 | petur | preglow: if you're ever in Belgium, just pop in... got even some room for people in sleeping bags ;) |
| 11:00:53 | aliask | No, it'd make battery better, but it looks like it's not a 100% fix. |
| 11:01:19 | scorche | aliask: nvm...i wasnt talking about 6905 ;) |
| 11:01:29 | pondlife | True, but the remaining 20% crashes may be caused by some other issue |
| 11:01:35 | amiconn | Bagder: Am I right in thinking that we generally want the Makefiles to output short info strings, i.e. use $(notdir $@) in most places? |
| 11:01:39 | gfather | i think its with the tagcash .. |
| 11:01:48 | preglow | petur: if i do show up, it'll probably be with a case of westvleteren |
| 11:01:49 | gfather | when i turnd it of .. it gone |
| 11:01:51 | Bagder | amiconn: yes I think so |
| 11:01:51 | pondlife | Things will become clearer if you can get rid of one layer of crashes. |
| 11:01:55 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 11:02:00 | scorche | gfather: it isnt...do what i told you, and you should be fine |
| 11:02:06 | amiconn | I want to clean up some inconsistencies, and e.g. AR+RANLIB does print the full paths... |
| 11:02:13 | gfather | but it says tagcash is not ready |
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| 11:02:19 | scorche | pondlife: i was a bit confused...ignore my comments ;) |
| 11:02:29 | pondlife | Good!! ;) |
| 11:02:38 | scorche | not really =S |
| 11:02:49 | aliask | pondlife: I agree with you, I'm not sure it's related to the patch. I think it's probably committable for the time being at least. |
| 11:02:53 | pondlife | So back to the original question - why can't this be commited? |
| 11:03:03 | gfather | im not using crossfade |
| 11:03:04 | LinusN | i think we should commit the cpu scaling patch |
| 11:03:25 | scorche | gfather: i mentioned other things than just crossfade |
| 11:03:36 | pondlife | We just need someone with an iPod and commit access... |
| 11:03:38 | aliask | Hopefully my ipod won't be a heater any more after this... :) |
| 11:04:12 | * | pondlife just got a display of Rasher's map! |
| 11:04:20 | scorche | 4g/color/mini1g at least |
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| 11:04:22 | gfather | i know .. |
| 11:04:33 | gfather | thanks alot its know gone |
| 11:04:37 | LinusN | pondlife: why do we need a committer with an ipod? |
| 11:04:47 | scorche | and h10 i guess |
| 11:04:54 | scorche | errrr...or |
| 11:04:55 | pondlife | Because I'm too chicken to commit it whilst being entirely clueless. |
| 11:04:59 | barrywardell | the cpu frequency patch would help H10's too. if someone is committing it, can they please add the define to the H10 config files? |
| 11:05:09 | scorche | ha! |
| 11:05:11 | pondlife | Go on barry, you know you want to.... |
| 11:05:20 | * | barrywardell is scared too... |
| 11:05:23 | aliask | Just close your eyes and press enter! |
| 11:05:37 | pondlife | barrywardell: at least you own the affected target |
| 11:05:38 | LinusN | pondlife: i see that you are quite cautious in general |
| 11:05:52 | pondlife | Hmm, some would say not cautious enough |
| 11:06:23 | pondlife | I need to clear up the CPUBOOSTID mess I left |
| 11:07:22 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6200 is the one, but no useful comments yet |
| 11:08:25 | LinusN | pondlife: why not just commit it? |
| 11:09:08 | pondlife | Because I've been too busy recently. And because there have been more important RB issues to look into too. |
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| 11:09:50 | pondlife | #1 - stability, #n - features |
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| 11:12:35 | LinusN | speaking of patches, what is our stance on jdgordon's monster menu patch? |
| 11:13:03 | pondlife | Last I heard he was fighting with crossfade settings or something that was causing him a crash. |
| 11:13:48 | pondlife | But I've not been around much recently. Is that the patch which is on wiki rather than Flyspray? |
| 11:14:15 | LinusN | i think, if we want it in CVS, we should perhaps work on getting it committed |
| 11:14:41 | LinusN | i can imagine that patch is a bitch to keep in synch |
| 11:14:45 | aliask | It's got issues with boosting |
| 11:15:07 | JdGordon | LinusN: it stays boosted for some reaosn, and i dont know why |
| 11:15:10 | LinusN | i don't think it has anything to do with boosting |
| 11:15:23 | JdGordon | i have exams next week and the week after, so im not diong much coding at all till then |
| 11:15:25 | LinusN | i think it messes up the settings and the result is boosting |
| 11:15:37 | JdGordon | maybe... i dunno |
| 11:15:46 | LinusN | due to small buffers or whatever |
| 11:15:49 | tucoz | Is that the patch to get rid of the config block? |
| 11:15:49 | JdGordon | either way, the cross fade/feed settings got muddled up |
| 11:15:53 | JdGordon | yea |
| 11:15:54 | LinusN | tucoz: yes |
| 11:15:57 | tucoz | nice |
| 11:16:07 | pondlife | In the sim you could run the old and new versions alongside, then compare the sector3d.bin files perhaps? |
| 11:16:33 | LinusN | pondlife: sector3d.bin is not used in the new patch, is it? |
| 11:16:39 | pondlife | No idea |
| 11:16:44 | pondlife | Just a thought |
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| 11:17:24 | JdGordon | whats sector3d.bin? |
| 11:17:40 | tucoz | the config block, represented as a file in the sim |
| 11:17:41 | pondlife | The sim emulation of the settings sector |
| 11:17:47 | JdGordon | ah |
| 11:18:12 | pondlife | So with the new settings patch, are all settings just saved as a CFG file? |
| 11:18:18 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:18:22 | LinusN | JdGordon: "Rebuilding the menus is about 5% completed" |
| 11:18:25 | pondlife | I'd like that, as long as it doesn't increase boot time. |
| 11:18:32 | JdGordon | LinusN: out of date :p |
| 11:18:38 | JdGordon | menus are about 99% done |
| 11:18:43 | JdGordon | apart from EQ |
| 11:18:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: all settings saved in config files, even resume info, right? |
| 11:18:58 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:19:00 | pondlife | JdGordon: So does this slow down the boot up much? |
| 11:19:04 | aliask | JdGordon: What % would you say the iriver remotes are at development wise? I saw an outdated wiki page but wanted to check before correcting. |
| 11:19:22 | JdGordon | pondlife: i didnt notice any difference.. i didnt really test |
| 11:19:39 | tucoz | The settings needs other attention as well. For one, it is possible to go from -84 to 0db in one step now. |
| 11:19:46 | JdGordon | aliask: i dunno.. h100 lcd remote seems to work fully, im not sure what you mean? |
| 11:19:53 | LinusN | tucoz: that is baaaaad |
| 11:19:55 | tucoz | And that could be dangerous |
| 11:20:10 | pondlife | Worth a check. Wonder what target might be most slowed. Archos Recorder? |
| 11:20:10 | tucoz | warped volume setting is insane imo |
| 11:20:19 | aliask | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo <−−−− says 50%, and I thought it was more like 100% |
| 11:20:22 | pondlife | wrapped is warped ;) |
| 11:20:36 | tucoz | wrapped :) |
| 11:20:47 | pondlife | The wiki is a fount of no-ledge. |
| 11:21:00 | LinusN | having all settings in config files is a bad idea on archos recorder |
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| 11:21:09 | JdGordon | aliask: that page also says "Proposed Release date: 1st May 2006" ... |
| 11:21:16 | aliask | :) |
| 11:21:36 | JdGordon | LinusN: why any more than other targets? |
| 11:21:58 | LinusN | because the charging settings are in the rtc |
| 11:22:09 | JdGordon | there is provisions for RTC settings |
| 11:22:17 | barrywardell | I think that cpufreq patch could benefit from some tidying up to use defines instead of outl/inl |
| 11:22:22 | aliask | Any objections to changing it to "Done"? |
| 11:22:25 | barrywardell | i'm working on it now |
| 11:22:30 | JdGordon | bassically its done stupidly, so 11 (iirc) ints can be stored |
| 11:23:28 | LinusN | not very good |
| 11:23:36 | JdGordon | no, but simple |
| 11:23:55 | LinusN | agreed |
| 11:24:15 | JdGordon | the way its done the code can be used with only a tiny change for the iriver eeprom settings also |
| 11:24:22 | LinusN | good |
| 11:24:55 | JdGordon | the change being the start address and the number of ints sotable.. assuming they use the same functions in /frimware/ to read/write them? |
| 11:25:26 | petur | no idea, but that can be changed ;) |
| 11:25:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: no ata callback? |
| 11:26:16 | JdGordon | it was totaly borked... so i just skipped it for the time being |
| 11:26:46 | LinusN | firmware/ata_accesslater_callback.c is still in the patch |
| 11:27:05 | JdGordon | yes, because im hoping to have it fixed before commiting.. |
| 11:27:30 | JdGordon | because I was under the impression that that was one of the blocks that needed to be handled before this could be considered |
| 11:27:50 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:28:06 | LinusN | but it should perhaps be handled in a completely different manner |
| 11:28:51 | LinusN | is the complete setting file saved in the callback? |
| 11:29:04 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:29:16 | amiconn | Slasheri: around? |
| 11:30:33 | LinusN | JdGordon: including the resume info? |
| 11:30:47 | JdGordon | everything.. |
| 11:31:00 | LinusN | not very nice |
| 11:31:04 | JdGordon | iirc, even RTC settings are written.. the callback just calls settings_save() |
| 11:31:09 | LinusN | i'd like to have the resume info separate |
| 11:31:16 | JdGordon | why? |
| 11:31:19 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, just got my internet connection back online |
| 11:31:42 | LinusN | because then we won't have to save the entire settings file everytime |
| 11:32:00 | JdGordon | how can you only save some of it tho? its a text file.. not binary blob |
| 11:32:24 | JdGordon | much easier to writ ethe whole thing than try moving around int he file updating bits of it |
| 11:33:47 | amiconn | The resume info should stay binary imho, and only be saved in a file if there's no other binary settings storage like rtc ram or eeprom |
| 11:33:51 | LinusN | i was more thinking of having it binary |
| 11:34:24 | JdGordon | just the resume info or the whole thing? |
| 11:34:34 | LinusN | resume info |
| 11:35:39 | JdGordon | why is resume info special? |
| 11:35:49 | LinusN | because it is saved for every spinup |
| 11:36:15 | LinusN | it's the only setting that constantly changes |
| 11:36:29 | LinusN | it's not even a setting |
| 11:36:33 | pondlife | It's more a playlist_control thing than a setting. |
| 11:36:49 | JdGordon | shuolnd tit go in playlist_control then? |
| 11:36:56 | LinusN | or similar |
| 11:37:01 | pondlife | Well, not playlist-control, but similar |
| 11:37:09 | pondlife | Beat me to it |
| 11:37:11 | LinusN | do i hear an echo in here? |
| 11:37:21 | pondlife | here here here here.... |
| 11:37:37 | LinusN | :_) |
| 11:37:39 | * | pondlife types many backspaces in the morning |
| 11:38:08 | JdGordon | is the resume info used anywhere other than play*.c? |
| 11:38:32 | LinusN | iirc, no |
| 11:39:00 | JdGordon | so maybe it should be taken out of global_setting and put into a global file in there? |
| 11:39:28 | LinusN | the resume info should be stored as "cheaply" as possible |
| 11:40:01 | LinusN | having it in a disk sector is fine with me |
| 11:40:11 | pondlife | Me too |
| 11:40:16 | pondlife | echo |
| 11:40:36 | JdGordon | the 5 resume settings should then be taken out of global_settings.c and put into playback (or playlist) and stored in a binary file seperatly then |
| 11:40:36 | LinusN | i can imagine keeping the old ata delayed write as it is, with only the resume info |
| 11:40:37 | * | petur installs an echo cancellation filter |
| 11:40:42 | JdGordon | disc sectors suck |
| 11:40:49 | LinusN | because? |
| 11:40:49 | amiconn | LinusN: I would like to get rid of the disk sector thing |
| 11:41:18 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree that it isn't the nicest of solutions |
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| 11:41:41 | LinusN | .rockbox/resume_info is fine too i guess |
| 11:41:43 | JdGordon | whats wrong with a file resume_info.dat instead of a sector? surely the file is nicer |
| 11:41:50 | JdGordon | certainly easier to debug with |
| 11:42:03 | amiconn | It's a very bad solution, and it fails when the disk is superfloppy formatted, or has too few sectors per track and is used under macos |
| 11:42:22 | LinusN | ok, so .rockbox/resume_info it is |
| 11:42:33 | pondlife | What's wrong with sector3d.bin ;) |
| 11:42:37 | LinusN | lol |
| 11:42:57 | amiconn | I would store the resume info in specialised binary storage _only_, and resort to a file for targets where such storage isn't available |
| 11:43:02 | JdGordon | global_settings.resume* is only used in playlist.c, settings_menu.c, tree.c, gwps-common.c and filetree.c |
| 11:43:17 | JdGordon | playlist.c is the major one tho |
| 11:43:30 | amiconn | JdGordon: The resume settings are settings and should stay in global_settings |
| 11:43:30 | JdGordon | dinner time... |
| 11:43:37 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree |
| 11:43:42 | amiconn | ...and stored in the .cfg file |
| 11:43:48 | LinusN | only the "live" info should be separate |
| 11:44:00 | LinusN | i.e the time stamp and the file name |
| 11:44:18 | JdGordon | you guys argue, im off for dinner.. back in 15 |
| 11:44:30 | * | LinusN is off for lunch |
| 11:44:40 | amiconn | Yes. Resume info and a few other items (e.g. battery runtime) aren't actually settings, they're status info |
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| 11:45:05 | LinusN | amiconn: so "resume_info" is probably a bad name |
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| 11:45:26 | amiconn | LinusN: Why don't we store the resume info in .playlist_control, btw? |
| 11:45:36 | amiconn | .playlist_control is needed for resuming anyway |
| 11:45:59 | LinusN | amiconn: hmmm, that file can be rather big |
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| 11:51:52 | * | amiconn didn't check whether .playlist_control is binary or ascii |
| 11:52:21 | LinusN | ascii |
| 11:52:27 | LinusN | or? |
| 11:53:27 | LinusN | looks ascii to me |
| 11:55:25 | pondlife | Why not have a fixed first line including the resume info, so it can be text but overwritten quickly? |
| 11:56:25 | pondlife | Some hex encoding (or itoa-ing) wouldn't be too expensive, compared to the disk spinup |
| 11:59:21 | amiconn | Slasheri: Regarding fast_readline() - didn't you say there are possibilities for code size optimisation in the tagcache code? Instead, you committed a function that seems completely redundant to me... :( |
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| 12:00:02 | amiconn | While I appreaciate your tagcache work in general (it's way better than the old tag database) I dislike some of the details. |
| 12:00:20 | amiconn | Rockbox code should be simple, compact, clean and efficient |
| 12:00:37 | amiconn | If you found readline() to be too inefficient, why not just replace it? |
| 12:03:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i am not sure if there is any easy way to replace the readline function.. if we just use a static buffer, there is the risk that different readlines can be called in between |
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| 12:04:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, but maybe i will just remove the whole function then |
| 12:05:25 | Slasheri | i still need to make some tests to determine its speed difference |
| 12:05:39 | amiconn | Where does it use a static buffer? |
| 12:06:59 | Slasheri | it doesn't. but if we want readline() to remain compatible with the old code, it's not possible to modify it |
| 12:07:57 | amiconn | why not? |
| 12:09:14 | Slasheri | fast_readline requires a static buffer |
| 12:10:02 | Slasheri | it doesn't call read(fd, buf, 1) but read(fd, buf, sizeof buf) and that gives the performance improvement |
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| 12:12:15 | amiconn | Slasheri: Yes, but that buffer is provided by the caller |
| 12:12:40 | amiconn | fast_readline() just has some extra parameters |
| 12:13:12 | Slasheri | yep, true. Do you mean that readline could be replaced with that new function? |
| 12:14:18 | amiconn | Yes I think so (though I don't understand the purpose of the extra parameters) |
| 12:14:43 | JdGordon | LinusN: bah, i forgot, there is provision for files to be stored in a seperate config file, system.cfg, which is where I tinhk i put that resume info anyway |
| 12:14:48 | amiconn | Perhaps fast_readline() should be renamed to readline_ex() or sth, and readline() just be a wrapper around it? |
| 12:17:14 | Slasheri | amiconn: the problem is that fast_readline works in different way, and it never returns until it has finished reading the file |
| 12:20:23 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, i just checked the patch.. those resume settings are all stored seperatly, so it could be fixed to write that file every few minutes, and do a full setting save when settings are actually changed |
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| 12:34:50 | ftugrul | hi |
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| 12:40:15 | barrywardell | how do I execute 4 NOPs on ARM in C? |
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| 12:40:39 | JdGordon | asm{"nop\nnop\nnop"}; ? |
| 12:40:54 | JdGordon | except there are onyl 3 there :p |
| 12:41:11 | barrywardell | thanks |
| 12:41:24 | * | JdGordon could very well be horribly wrong |
| 12:41:29 | barrywardell | i get the idea |
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| 12:58:13 | daurn | asm{"nop"}\nasm{"nop"}\nasm{"nop"}\nasm{"nop"} |
| 12:58:19 | daurn | ;) |
| 12:58:30 | JdGordon | wont they work out to the same thing anyway? |
| 12:59:20 | JdGordon | you could even do for (i=0;i<4;i++) asm{"nop\n"}; :p |
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| 13:00:23 | preglow | barrywardell: volatile asm("nop\n\tnop\n\tnop\n\tnop\n\t"); |
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| 13:00:44 | barrywardell | are they all equivalent? |
| 13:01:07 | preglow | asm volatile(), i mean |
| 13:01:19 | preglow | barrywardell: well, what they wrote isn't syntactically correct |
| 13:01:23 | preglow | barrywardell: and the volatile is important |
| 13:01:28 | barrywardell | ah right, thanks |
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| 13:06:14 | preglow | it might work in a microsoft compiler, but gcc will puke on braces in an asm block |
| 13:06:37 | preglow | and if you drop the volatile, gcc will assume the statement has no side effects and just optimise it away |
| 13:06:49 | barrywardell | i was wondering about the braces |
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| 13:12:13 | amiconn | preglow: 'volatile' is implicit if the asm block has no parameters, iirc |
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| 13:36:32 | preglow | amiconn: really? i could have sworn i hit a bug with that once |
| 13:37:03 | preglow | makes sense, though |
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| 13:45:25 | JdGordon | does anyone else think its odd that there is no link to the archos ports under "ports" on the wiki frontpage? |
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| 13:48:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: That's indeed odd, but understandable from the history |
| 13:48:23 | amiconn | The archos ports were the first |
| 13:48:38 | amiconn | We should probably add a dedicated page |
| 13:48:57 | amiconn | JdGordon: Speaking about archos ports, you asked for a player owner y'day? |
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| 13:49:21 | JdGordon | ye, aparently the settings are all backwards? + goes down and - goes up? |
| 13:50:19 | amiconn | Didn't you fix that a few days ago? |
| 13:50:35 | JdGordon | 2 different bugs.. |
| 13:50:44 | JdGordon | or im getting myself confused |
| 13:51:27 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg55310#msg55310 |
| 13:51:57 | JdGordon | I looked at the keymap file and its + is mapped to inc and - is mapped to dec.. so do i just flip that? |
| 13:53:16 | amiconn | I'll check... |
| 13:53:59 | JdGordon | sorry, is right + on the player? |
| 13:54:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:54:39 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:55:01 | JdGordon | so yeah, in the keymap Right is inc and left is dec |
| 13:55:03 | amiconn | Settings are indeed reversed, with a build from 2 days ago (2006-10-21 12:07 CEST) |
| 13:55:21 | amiconn | Maybe the list is reversed? |
| 13:55:39 | amiconn | I can't tell since there's only one row visible at once |
| 13:55:46 | amiconn | s/row/line/ |
| 13:56:00 | JdGordon | yeah, that makes sense... it only matters for the ints |
| 13:56:08 | JdGordon | and if they are backwards, then the keymap needs fixing |
| 13:58:04 | amiconn | If you switch the buttons, settings using a table would be reversed instead |
| 13:58:19 | JdGordon | ? |
| 13:58:21 | amiconn | I think the list needs fixing for ints |
| 13:58:44 | JdGordon | I think that the origional code should actually go there for the player |
| 13:58:48 | amiconn | Settings like Jump Scroll are correct, only int settings are reversed |
| 13:59:03 | amiconn | What original code? |
| 13:59:37 | JdGordon | the set_int function before i replaced it with the current list version |
| 13:59:45 | JdGordon | only for the player tho |
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| 14:00:26 | amiconn | I don't think so |
| 14:00:49 | JdGordon | the player is the only target which looks backwards... |
| 14:00:50 | amiconn | Imho it's better to have unified code |
| 14:01:15 | amiconn | How about just flipping the order of ints for the player? |
| 14:02:02 | JdGordon | because that could be complicated |
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| 14:04:04 | JdGordon | gah! good thing you said that... the settings are not channged in the settings context, but the list context |
| 14:04:17 | * | JdGordon isnt sure if button_context_settings is ever used on the player |
| 14:05:18 | JdGordon | ok, simple fix... for the player, we could just change the action code. |
| 14:05:21 | pondlife | amiconn: How would I redirect debugging output to a file from the sim under Cygwin? I've tried ./rockboxui.exe >file.txt, but a blank file is produced. |
| 14:06:39 | amiconn | Use 2> |
| 14:06:49 | amiconn | Debug output is written to stderr iirc |
| 14:06:54 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 14:14:45 | JdGordon | amiconn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QzvPmP19.html look about right? |
| 14:17:35 | amiconn | JdGordon: Can't you just flip max and min and negate step in set_int() ? |
| 14:18:05 | JdGordon | will that work? |
| 14:18:16 | amiconn | I don't know.... worth a test imho |
| 14:22:55 | * | JdGordon wonders what the +1 is doing in (max-min)/step + 1 ... (20-0)/5 shuold be 4 steps not 5? or am I going crazy? |
| 14:23:36 | JdGordon | flipping the action code is definatly less work on my poor brain :p |
| 14:24:25 | JdGordon | hhahaha, I am a drongo |
| 14:24:38 | JdGordon | my pen and paper testing forgot the damn 5 between 10 and 0 :p |
| 14:25:10 | amiconn | No, 0..20 in steps of 5 are _5_ steps, that's what the +1 is for |
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| 14:27:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: you more after something like http://rafb.net/paste/results/MXQurM89.html ? |
| 14:27:33 | JdGordon | i _think_ that works.. |
| 14:28:11 | JdGordon | im doing a sim build to check |
| 14:31:03 | JdGordon | yes, this works |
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| 14:33:00 | lex | hey, does someone know about converting videos for 5g ipod here? |
| 14:33:06 | lex | actually, converting with nero |
| 14:35:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: commited |
| 14:35:33 | lostlogic | thanks pondlife |
| 14:43:56 | JdGordon | has anyone tryed the patch for 6213? |
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| 14:49:33 | JdGordon | does fast forwarding past the half-way mark in a song make it get scrobbled? |
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| 14:52:39 | JdGordon | dircache doesnt handle deleted files very well does it? |
| 14:55:20 | pondlife | lostlogic Does that help? |
| 14:55:39 | JdGordon | holy cow the scrobbler write_cache function is odd |
| 14:57:17 | lostlogic | pondlife: yeah −− told me that the problem wasn't triggered when you tried to seek backwards from a point that is within conf_preseek of the end of the file. |
| 14:57:58 | pondlife | Well, let me know if you need any more logs |
| 14:58:07 | lostlogic | pondlife: I _think_ based on testing locally that my commit just now should fix it, but since I haven't gotten it to happen myself, it's hard to tell |
| 14:58:16 | pondlife | OK, will test |
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| 15:01:03 | pondlife | lostlogic: :( |
| 15:01:06 | pondlife | Nope, still the same |
| 15:01:54 | lostlogic | grr, wtf is making it stop buffering, none of the end-of-buffer conditions should be triggered. A longer log that gets to the beginning of the rebuffer would be helpful. |
| 15:02:12 | pondlife | OK, will attach one, hang on a mo. |
| 15:06:01 | Kitt0s | is there a way to test the bootloader on PC? |
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| 15:06:43 | pondlife | Hmm, Flyspray doesn't seem to be working from here. |
| 15:06:58 | obo | JdGordon: odd how? Be gentle, you can probably guess I don't code for a living :) |
| 15:07:15 | JdGordon | no, sorry, i got confused.. its ok |
| 15:07:40 | JdGordon | i just started looking at the patch to stop it logging the last track when u shutdown |
| 15:07:50 | JdGordon | it doesnt work if you hold off on the h300 |
| 15:08:50 | pondlife | lostlogic: http://pastebin.ca/217053 |
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| 15:09:35 | pondlife | Note my seek at line 607 |
| 15:10:07 | pondlife | Followed by a "Quick buf", which seems to be just the remainder of track 2. |
| 15:10:29 | obo | JdGordon: ah, okay, I feared it wouldn't work... I think audio_stop is called too late to be of any use (it's very close to the end of the shutdown sequence, after scrobbler_shutdown) |
| 15:10:33 | pondlife | The next seek only happens after the new track request. |
| 15:10:36 | Kitt0s | is there a way to test the bootloader on PC? |
| 15:10:56 | JdGordon | obo: yeah, something like that... if you can fix the patch ill commit it |
| 15:12:07 | obo | JdGordon: well, it's a bit hard for me to fix properly, I've only got an ipod to test on... so it's always stop before shutdown |
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| 15:12:38 | JdGordon | if you can exaplin roughply what needs to be done i can try to get it.. |
| 15:12:47 | * | JdGordon is half asleep so may not work well :p |
| 15:13:10 | obo | JdGordon: okay :) the prev_elapsed isn't being updated for the last track, since the switch to the next one never happens |
| 15:13:37 | obo | that patch makes it update in audio_stop, but need to update the value in some other way |
| 15:14:00 | obo | can't use the exported CUR_TI when scrobbler_shutdown is called, that has already been cleared |
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| 15:15:14 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: How would this be possible? |
| 15:15:23 | JdGordon | is it too late to just put it in scrobbler_shutdown? |
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| 15:15:48 | JdGordon | before the flushs_cache |
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| 15:15:55 | obo | JdGordon: the CUR_TI value has already gone by then |
| 15:15:56 | Kitt0s | yea thats what i though :] but is there like a 'backup' or something? meaning if the bootloader fails it opens the original or something |
| 15:15:58 | pondlife | obo: Is prev_ti any use? |
| 15:16:19 | obo | pondlife: is that another mp3 struct? |
| 15:16:25 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: What player do you own? |
| 15:16:27 | amiconn | obo: Why do ipods always stop before shutdown? That would be a bug in the keymap... |
| 15:16:30 | pondlife | Yes, well a pointer to one. |
| 15:16:31 | Kitt0s | x5l |
| 15:16:36 | obo | amiconn: they share the same button.... |
| 15:16:41 | pondlife | The previous value of CUR_TI |
| 15:16:48 | amiconn | Yeah, but stop is a short pres... |
| 15:16:49 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: I think it's better to not compile your own bootloader |
| 15:16:57 | pondlife | Not sure when it's updated/cleared though - you'll need to investigate. |
| 15:16:59 | obo | pondlife: aha! yes, that could come in handy |
| 15:17:10 | Kitt0s | i know i totaly agree.. but i wanna try something new.. i see no reason for it to fail |
| 15:17:20 | obo | amiconn: I thought it did a stop before shutdown - don't have my player here to confirm |
| 15:17:34 | pondlife | Not sure it's exported at the moment either. |
| 15:17:51 | obo | pondlife: I think that might be why I missed it... |
| 15:18:05 | Slasheri | Kitt0s: i _think_ that x5 has a two-phase bootloader so it shouldn't be possible to brick it unless you try manually flash it |
| 15:18:15 | Slasheri | but i don't own a x5.. |
| 15:18:16 | JdGordon | from the ipod keymap... { ACTION_WPS_STOP, BUTTON_PLAY|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_PLAY }, |
| 15:18:24 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:18:38 | obo | pondlife: it doesn't feature in mpeg.c though? |
| 15:19:00 | Kitt0s | instead of the text (batt V. version, etc..) i want the logo + a nice status bar |
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| 15:19:39 | pondlife | obo: No idea, just knew it was in playback.c and might help you, sorry. |
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| 15:20:10 | Kitt0s | something like this |
| 15:20:12 | Kitt0s | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/06/rockbox-bootloader-with-fullscreenlogo.html |
| 15:20:14 | Kitt0s | but for the x5 |
| 15:20:24 | obo | pondlife: well, it could well solve it on swcodec platforms :) |
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| 15:21:03 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: To tell you the truth, I don't have an X5 and I don't know exactly the risks of messing with the bootloader... I'm sure though that I wouldn't mess with in on my H300 |
| 15:22:17 | Kitt0s | well, i aree with you.. although i don't see any reason for it to fail.. |
| 15:24:58 | lowlight | pondlife, lostlogic: I have a question about codec_load_next_track() |
| 15:25:36 | LinusN | Kitt0s: it's perfectly possible, and pretty simple to do with the CVS bootloader |
| 15:25:53 | Kitt0s | LinusN: what is? making the progressbar? |
| 15:26:03 | LinusN | and the splash |
| 15:26:30 | Kitt0s | i know it is |
| 15:26:45 | Kitt0s | question is.. is there a big risk involved? |
| 15:26:48 | LinusN | messing with the x5 bootloader is quite safe, as it is hard to brick it |
| 15:27:20 | JdGordon | LinusN: speaking of the bootloader.. is there any news about alaram wake up for the h300? and are the remote lcd functions available for the bootloader? just having the backlight turn on is painful |
| 15:27:21 | * | preglow wants his bootloader do be fast and discreet |
| 15:27:41 | LinusN | JdGordon: no news, no time |
| 15:27:49 | lowlight | pondlife, lostlogic: seems it's supposed to wait during during pending events, but I'd see where anything sets the Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING anymore. |
| 15:27:50 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:28:03 | JdGordon | LinusN: and the lcd functios? |
| 15:28:09 | Kitt0s | LinusN: so what do you say? should i have a go for it? |
| 15:28:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: the remote lcd function should be easy to incorporate |
| 15:28:43 | LinusN | Kitt0s: sure |
| 15:28:52 | JdGordon | LinusN: if i do a patch, can you test it to make sure I wont brick my player please? |
| 15:29:01 | petur | obo: have you used LogScrobbler (that Windows app) yet? It fails to find any enties in my log file here |
| 15:29:19 | LinusN | JdGordon: hehe, ok then |
| 15:29:22 | obo | petur: no, I'm x64 debian only at home |
| 15:29:44 | obo | petur: I also hear it may have utf issues |
| 15:29:54 | petur | ugh |
| 15:29:58 | JdGordon | LinusN: ta |
| 15:30:38 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 15:32:00 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, indeed, that implies a stop before shutdown on ipod |
| 15:32:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: thats good then? or wrong? |
| 15:33:02 | amiconn | It's not good, but not a bug either. |
| 15:33:15 | amiconn | The current button assignment isn't the best... |
| 15:34:09 | JdGordon | no, but people complain if they get changed :p |
| 15:35:00 | JdGordon | both the lcd and remote_lcd drawing functions are safe if you try drawing to a line that is off the screen yeah? |
| 15:35:03 | * | obo wishes apple had used more buttons |
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| 15:36:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: yes |
| 15:37:07 | JdGordon | the bootloader draws the lcd twice every time it adds a line! |
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| 15:43:02 | JdGordon | the x5 has a lcd remote yeah? |
| 15:43:56 | markun | Can anyone confirm the ipod 5g has a rescue mode? |
| 15:46:38 | Kitt0s | after i build my plugin.c |
| 15:46:39 | * | amiconn points jd towards http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 15:46:44 | Kitt0s | i put it in apps/plugins |
| 15:46:45 | Kitt0s | what next? |
| 15:46:48 | Kitt0s | just complie? |
| 15:46:52 | amiconn | s/jd/JdGordon/ |
| 15:46:52 | obo | markun: the emergency boot mode? |
| 15:47:17 | markun | yes |
| 15:47:27 | JdGordon | amiconn: ta, but wouldnt a simple yes have been easier than finding the link and pasting it? |
| 15:47:37 | obo | markun: yup, can recover from a bad bootloader |
| 15:47:57 | Kitt0s | or do i need to add it to the sources file or somthing? |
| 15:48:08 | markun | obo: RogerBacon was trying to inspect the hdd of his Gigabeat S by swapping the hdd with his ipod 5g |
| 15:48:09 | JdGordon | does anyone here have the x5 and the remote lcd? |
| 15:48:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: I expected further questions with a simple 'yes' (like resolution, colour depth...) |
| 15:48:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: ah :) ok |
| 15:48:38 | Kitt0s | any1 ?:\ |
| 15:48:41 | markun | obo: he told me: < RogerBacon> on the 5g firmware, this firmware dont have a disc mode (like 4g ipod) to connect the ipod to the pc |
| 15:48:53 | obo | markun: he may well need to run the ipod restore utility on it afterwards - it does have the disk mode |
| 15:49:12 | markun | you cannot enter it with a key combination? |
| 15:49:18 | obo | select + play |
| 15:49:25 | obo | as it boots |
| 15:49:40 | markun | Yes, that's what I thought. |
| 15:54:16 | godzirra | People make my head hurt. :/ |
| 15:54:29 | * | amiconn doesn't like those quirk fixes |
| 15:54:54 | amiconn | I'd rather keep the warnings so that they remind devs about the todo |
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| 15:55:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: TODO messages in the source are really only usefull if someone activly goes looking for them, (or stumbles on them) |
| 15:55:56 | JdGordon | we should get a email weekly with the patches/bugs email pointing to them all |
| 15:57:05 | JdGordon | /rockbox-devel$ grep -nr "TODO" ./ shows alot more results than i was expecting :D |
| 15:57:35 | amiconn | I was referring to markun's gigabeat warning cover-up |
| 15:57:46 | godzirra | How is the gigabeat project giong? |
| 15:57:47 | godzirra | GOING |
| 15:57:58 | godzirra | ooops... caps. sorry. |
| 15:58:03 | petur | amiconn: maybe it was entered into that table too early |
| 15:58:50 | markun | amiconn: yes, perhaps I should have left them there. |
| 15:59:44 | markun | godzirra: quite ok. We can now boot rockbox and it executes main, but for some reason function calls from there don't work (probably a stack problem) |
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| 16:00:42 | godzirra | Thats good progress though, isnt it? |
| 16:00:58 | markun | If that works we will work on interrupts and then the base OS is working I think. |
| 16:01:14 | markun | We probably will have video playback before audio :) |
| 16:01:32 | petur | lol |
| 16:01:40 | petur | at 300MHz |
| 16:02:04 | petur | better write that framerate limit code :) |
| 16:02:25 | markun | Don't know if it will be THAT fast. |
| 16:04:17 | JdGordon | should i bother removing the old button codes that are not needed anymore? |
| 16:04:24 | JdGordon | i.e the WPS codes? |
| 16:05:00 | amiconn | You mean the #defines? |
| 16:05:04 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 16:05:18 | JdGordon | they poped up in the todo search |
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| 16:12:32 | markun | petur: one thing that helps is that the LCD is updated by dedicated hardware in the background |
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| 16:15:16 | petur | markun: nice. too bad it doesn't have radio and line-in |
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| 16:16:05 | markun | yes, that's a shame. Until yesterday I thought the Wolfson chip was a codec, but it's only a DAC, so we can't even do a hardware mod :( |
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| 16:17:55 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: did you get my email about your patch? |
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| 16:25:30 | lostlogic | pondlife: whaddayathink about my comment on that buffer dumb bug? Seem feasible? |
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| 16:28:46 | pondlife | Where is it? |
| 16:29:02 | pondlife | I've installed a printer driver and can no longer access Flyspray! |
| 16:29:21 | petur | hahahaha |
| 16:30:17 | pondlife | petur: You know of this evil? |
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| 16:30:46 | pondlife | Also the diffs I get displayed are all blank.. Well I get the page heading. |
| 16:31:16 | petur | nah |
| 16:31:42 | lowlight | pondlife, lostlogic: did you seem my comments about an hour ago? |
| 16:31:43 | petur | just funny how two unrelated things can clash.. well I guess it's not funny for you |
| 16:31:44 | pondlife | Anyone else able to help...?? I might be seriously unable to get on without my beloved Flyspray. :( |
| 16:32:01 | pondlife | lowlight: Not yet |
| 16:32:35 | pondlife | Bah! And the IRC log has decided to be all unformatted today :( |
| 16:32:59 | petur | using IE are you? |
| 16:33:10 | lowlight | refresh it a couple of times |
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| 16:33:36 | lostlogic | lowlight: yeah, the Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING was deepsixed because it was causing problems |
| 16:33:47 | lostlogic | lowlight: but not to worry one of the other events (success or failure) will be sent |
| 16:33:55 | lostlogic | lowlight: it's not as sweethellacool but it also doesn't break |
| 16:34:20 | lostlogic | should probably remove the 'receiver' code for REQUEST_PENDING |
| 16:35:38 | pondlife | lowlight: Nope, no joy. This has always been the case occasionally for me. Most days the log displays in Internet Exposer ok, but sometimes it's all packed up in an a non-propotional font |
| 16:35:56 | lowlight | lostlogic: but one of the problems I'm seeing is that Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED is received BEFORE audio_check_new_track() is executed. |
| 16:35:58 | pondlife | Yesterday's is fine |
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| 16:37:05 | petur | pondlife: I've seen this too with IE, just another reason to move to firefox ;) |
| 16:37:05 | lowlight | pondlife: refreshing the browser sometimes fixes it or else I open it in Word. |
| 16:38:11 | petur | just opened current irc log with IE and it's a mess here too... |
| 16:38:20 | pondlife | It does that some days. |
| 16:38:41 | petur | firefox works fine 100% (hint hint) |
| 16:39:16 | Kitt0s | www.getfirefox.com ? |
| 16:39:35 | pondlife | Already got it |
| 16:39:38 | petur | but wait until tomorrow (2.0 release) ;) |
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| 16:41:12 | pondlife | Anyway, lostlogic: Did you way there's a new patch? |
| 16:41:16 | lostlogic | lowlight: that's ... odd ... |
| 16:41:26 | lostlogic | pondlife: no −− just a comment on the FS |
| 16:41:46 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I didn't get an email either... perhaps I've upset FS |
| 16:42:07 | lostlogic | I htink it might not be emailing at the moment... bagder? |
| 16:42:33 | lostlogic | lowlight: how ... can you show me a log? |
| 16:42:40 | pondlife | It was earlier. Looks like my printer driver issue may have infected it. Damn you, Lexmark! |
| 16:42:49 | pondlife | :) |
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| 16:44:36 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: I read your post in MR about the mp3x |
| 16:44:57 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: How would be possible an open source decoder for that? |
| 16:45:16 | Febs | I doubt that there could be one. |
| 16:45:31 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: Isn't DRM completely patented, or am I missing something? |
| 16:45:33 | lowlight | lostlogic: I added some debugf's: 1) at then end of mpa.c to see why the codec was stopping, 2) for each case in codec_load_next_track, and 3) at the beginning of audio_check_new_track |
| 16:46:08 | lowlight | lostlogic: the bug I'm seeing is after a directory is played and stops naturally, when a second directory is played, playback stops after the first track |
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| 16:46:35 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: I searched a bit though and actually found an open source DRM proposal/project by Sun... called DReaM |
| 16:46:49 | Genre9mp3 | Sounds really bizzare to me |
| 16:47:23 | lowlight | lostlogic: when playback stops, I see Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED in codec_load_next_track, then mpa codec stops, then audio_check_new_track seems to execute |
| 16:47:43 | lowlight | lostlogic: this is in the sim |
| 16:48:26 | lowlight | lostlogic: if I run a logf build I can't reproduce the error. |
| 16:49:11 | lostlogic | lowlight: that's odd... they should be synchronized and that should be therefor impossible. |
| 16:49:20 | lostlogic | hafta find out where that Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED came from |
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| 16:49:36 | lostlogic | it could be that it just gets _printed_ first in the sim somehow? |
| 16:49:43 | Febs | I agree. To be honest, I typed that post on MR quickly as I ran out the door for work. The point I was trying to make is that it is unlikely that Rockbox will support .mp3x unless someone develops an open-source decoder (which itselfs seems unlikely). |
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| 16:51:11 | amiconn | markun: Swap the wolfson dac for a pin compatible codec ;) |
| 16:51:22 | markun | Nah :) |
| 16:51:37 | markun | I think I'll go with a USB ADC :) |
| 16:51:59 | markun | Just waiting for petur to add a USB stack to rockbox.. |
| 16:52:52 | markun | Any idea what this guys is planning to do exactly: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7076.0 |
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| 16:59:42 | Kitt0s | can some1 help with a plugin? |
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| 17:05:47 | pondlife | OK, OT-ish... I've now rebooted and can sort-of see Flyspray. But the fonts are all messed up, in both Firefox or IE. |
| 17:05:55 | pondlife | pondlife.homeip.net/images/flyweird.jpg">http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/flyweird.jpg shows it. |
| 17:06:01 | pondlife | Same happens in Firefox |
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| 17:08:47 | pondlife | Clearing the "Allow pages to set their own fonts" box resolves it... |
| 17:09:00 | petur | hmmmm... can somebody verify this: on my h340, audio fade in/out and volume changes give small short 'ticks'. not always and volume goes up/down with the volume. Or is the UDA in my player going dead? |
| 17:11:43 | preglow | fading ticks on my h120 |
| 17:11:53 | preglow | but that's no surprise, the fade is hardware |
| 17:12:16 | pondlife | petur: line out or headphone? |
| 17:12:18 | pondlife | Or both? |
| 17:12:22 | petur | headphone |
| 17:12:45 | pondlife | Only headphone? |
| 17:13:07 | petur | both |
| 17:13:21 | preglow | it depends a bit on what i'm playing, but it's very audible some times |
| 17:13:32 | preglow | but again, not really surprising |
| 17:13:36 | pondlife | I can't hear any ticks here on H340... |
| 17:13:44 | pondlife | Do you have a remote? |
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| 17:13:47 | preglow | same happens on ipod |
| 17:13:54 | preglow | pondlife: no |
| 17:13:55 | petur | can't remember hearing this - maybe my hearing is becoming better again |
| 17:14:09 | pondlife | Or your memory is getting worse |
| 17:14:13 | pondlife | ;) |
| 17:14:17 | preglow | pondlife: and it's periodic ticking, and i'm willing to bet the period is the uda volume register update period |
| 17:14:23 | petur | nah - it can't get much worse |
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| 17:15:24 | wibbix | Hi. What is the purpose of _vectorscopy = LOADADDR(.vectors) ? |
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| 17:16:49 | preglow | wibbix: just a copy of the interrupt vectors for targets where we copy them to their original place, i'd bet |
| 17:17:01 | preglow | s/original/supposed/ |
| 17:17:37 | preglow | don't really know, i don't speak linker script very well |
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| 17:18:43 | wibbix | Thanks, preglow. |
| 17:19:18 | preglow | i think i do that for ipod, actually |
| 17:19:47 | wibbix | Yes, that's what I was copying for the gigabeat. :) |
| 17:19:54 | wibbix | I don't think I need it, tho. |
| 17:20:02 | preglow | where is sdram mapped? |
| 17:20:08 | wibbix | 0x0 |
| 17:20:27 | wibbix | or did you mean physical? |
| 17:20:42 | preglow | nah |
| 17:20:42 | preglow | hmm |
| 17:20:59 | wibbix | ah, that's probably overwriting my stack (which is next) |
| 17:21:17 | preglow | i copy the exception vectors, alright |
| 17:21:22 | preglow | but i don't use any vectorscopy symbol |
| 17:21:26 | preglow | :q |
| 17:21:45 | wibbix | ermm... ok, I might have hosed that one. |
| 17:21:51 | * | preglow tries switching to the vim window again |
| 17:22:26 | wibbix | the vectory copy is for when you attempt to load the original fw? |
| 17:22:54 | petur | I'd guess you need to do it when you remap memory |
| 17:22:54 | markun | wibbix: I think it's for when you don't load rockbox to 0x0 |
| 17:23:10 | wibbix | oh. |
| 17:23:40 | markun | then you need to copy the vecotors there |
| 17:23:47 | markun | vectors even :) |
| 17:23:57 | markun | (ok, I'm really away now) |
| 17:24:00 | preglow | heh, for some reason crt0.S uses the vectorscopy symbol even though the vectors label is defined in the same file |
| 17:24:23 | preglow | markun: oh yes, we load to 0 on all pp targets i know of too |
| 17:24:32 | preglow | the only way we know we can set the exception vectors |
| 17:24:44 | wibbix | that's due to arm, right? |
| 17:24:55 | preglow | that's due to flash being at 0x0 in the original configuration |
| 17:25:24 | preglow | and yeah, the fact that arm likes its exception vectors at 0x0 |
| 17:25:41 | preglow | unless the chip is configured to look for it at another place externally, which ours aren't |
| 17:27:39 | preglow | seems things are done different ways depending on target, beh |
| 17:28:19 | wibbix | there was something else in app.lds.... |
| 17:28:39 | wibbix | .iram IRAMORIG {...} > IRAM AT> DRAM |
| 17:28:53 | wibbix | I didn't understand it... do you? |
| 17:31:20 | preglow | not in the least |
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| 17:34:17 | pondlife | lostlogic: I'm back in Flyspray now and can see your comment |
| 17:34:39 | pondlife | The codec did run quickly.. it's in the sim. |
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| 17:35:22 | lostlogic | pondlife: yeah −− I'm sure there's some way we can fixor it, but for now I'm going to stop worrying about it so much, because I don't _think_ it will happen even on a fast target |
| 17:35:35 | lostlogic | I'll put a todo in the file about it so it's not forgotten |
| 17:35:54 | pondlife | Hmm, I'd say it's worth looking into while we have it reproducible... any clues on what I should be looking at? |
| 17:37:28 | lostlogic | pondlife: the problem is that it's nothing _broken_ |
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| 17:37:54 | pondlife | So why doesn't the initial buffer bother to continue filling? |
| 17:38:24 | pondlife | I'd consider it /slightly/ broken |
| 17:38:28 | lostlogic | because its interrupted by a request for a new track when none of the new track is yet in the buffer, so it immediately goes into a clean rebuffer situation, afaik |
| 17:38:31 | lostlogic | afaics that is |
| 17:39:46 | pondlife | Hmm, it has 40 seconds to rebuffer before being asked for a new track |
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| 17:40:22 | lostlogic | and it doesn't start the rebuffer until the codec buffer goes dead empty? |
| 17:40:24 | pondlife | No |
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| 17:40:43 | lostlogic | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:40:49 | lostlogic | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:40:53 | pondlife | ommmmmm! |
| 17:41:01 | lostlogic | sorry, that's rude in IRC. |
| 17:41:15 | hcs | yes, thought is shunned |
| 17:41:27 | * | pondlife Never thinks |
| 17:41:33 | lostlogic | okokok so here's something to look at |
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| 17:42:32 | lostlogic | check out the top of the audio_thread function −− there are conditions in the 'receiver' for the file buffer event that prevent it from going into that function −− if the first codec ends, that might put the codec into a stopped state which makes it not enter the filling code until a new codec can start, which can't happen until a new codec is buffered |
| 17:42:37 | lostlogic | or something |
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| 17:46:08 | lostlogic | hmm, no that can't be it, the filling var must be true |
| 17:46:08 | lostlogic | grr |
| 17:46:21 | pondlife | I'm doing some logf-ing.... |
| 17:46:33 | lostlogic | cool. |
| 17:47:03 | lostlogic | I'm kinda loathe to solve things like this by logfing −− it must be possible to figure out the broken code path by examination :-P |
| 17:47:16 | lostlogic | (but I do resort to logfing often myself ;)) |
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| 17:49:42 | pondlife | Unless there are plenty comments, I rarely understand code without watching it in action. |
| 17:50:49 | lostlogic | pondlife: from watching the logfs −− can you see how long passes between 620 and 622 in the logf you posted? |
| 17:51:23 | pondlife | Not really |
| 17:51:43 | pondlife | I'll have a go in a short while. |
| 17:51:48 | lostlogic | maybe something's infinite or badly looping in the audio_read_file |
| 17:51:59 | pondlife | I can see audio_read_file() is returning false when it should be true. |
| 17:52:02 | lostlogic | (audio_yield_codecs ,for instance) |
| 17:52:08 | lostlogic | oh! |
| 17:52:16 | lostlogic | it's returning false and saying "Quick buf"? |
| 17:52:19 | lostlogic | that's effed up |
| 17:53:23 | pondlife | Yes |
| 17:53:29 | lostlogic | ret_val?Quick:Partially; return ret_val; |
| 17:53:31 | lostlogic | that's not possible. |
| 17:54:46 | pondlife | Hmm, let me double-check |
| 17:55:11 | lostlogic | I mean clearly something is unsetting filling or something, so maybe I did something STUPID ;) |
| 17:56:14 | pondlife | The return of false is on the subsequent call, after the Quick buf |
| 17:56:33 | lostlogic | and nothing is logged? |
| 17:56:49 | lostlogic | is no Finished, Quick or Partially |
| 17:56:51 | pondlife | No |
| 17:57:03 | pondlife | It carries on looping with both rc and minimum set to 0 |
| 17:57:18 | pondlife | After a while that is. |
| 17:57:47 | lostlogic | well, that's cute... I must be setting the EOF condition for the file wrong somehow |
| 17:58:00 | lostlogic | so that it thinks there's more file left (filerem is nonzero) when there isn't |
| 17:59:07 | lostlogic | can you log filerem in the Quick / Partially buf spot and see what it says? |
| 17:59:16 | pondlife | Yes, just making that one |
| 17:59:24 | lostlogic | if it says "128" I'm going to break id3v1's neck, if not, I don't know what I'm going to do :-P |
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| 18:00:12 | pondlife | It says filerem = -1 |
| 18:00:19 | lostlogic | shitty |
| 18:00:30 | pondlife | Let me look at the detail, hang on a mo. |
| 18:01:04 | pondlife | Ah, I'm talking rubbish |
| 18:01:12 | lostlogic | shit, meeting... be back shortly |
| 18:04:36 | amiconn | argh! |
| 18:10:08 | pondlife | argh? |
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| 18:10:52 | pondlife | lostlogic: When you've finished your meeting, get your neck-breaking skills handy.... |
| 18:12:14 | amiconn | markun touched the Makefiles I've changed locally as well |
| 18:12:44 | * | amiconn hopes there won't be a conflict |
| 18:12:49 | pondlife | Urgh |
| 18:15:37 | lostlogic | pondlife: so it's 128 :( |
| 18:16:19 | pondlife | No |
| 18:16:22 | pondlife | -128! |
| 18:16:27 | lostlogic | sweet! |
| 18:16:37 | lostlogic | ok, I know where the problem is, I think |
| 18:16:40 | lostlogic | gimme 5 |
| 18:16:49 | pondlife | Do you want to see the log... it may help? |
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| 18:17:04 | pondlife | I'm ready to paste - minimum / rc / filerem |
| 18:17:12 | pondlife | OUCH m=0, rc=16384, fr=5891 |
| 18:17:12 | pondlife | OUCH m=0, rc=6019, fr=-128 |
| 18:17:12 | pondlife | OUCH m=0, rc=0, fr=-128 |
| 18:17:21 | lostlogic | giggle |
| 18:17:24 | lostlogic | that rules |
| 18:17:36 | lostlogic | we should probably check that so that ew don't get into the infinite loop situation |
| 18:17:47 | lostlogic | but I'll fix the cause of this particular in the meantime |
| 18:17:56 | pondlife | A related (?) question... |
| 18:17:58 | lostlogic | it's in audio_rebuffer_and_seek combined with the stripping of the id3v1 |
| 18:18:21 | pondlife | We currently allow metadata.c to open an mp3 file a second time for parsing. |
| 18:18:39 | pondlife | For other formats, we normally pass a file handle in. Would that not be better here too? |
| 18:19:06 | lostlogic | probably better, but I don't mess with the metadata code, as a rule :) |
| 18:19:12 | pondlife | I think I put a patch up for this, but didn't commit in case there was a file pointer (i.e. seek position) reason for the current code... |
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| 18:19:37 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6216 |
| 18:20:32 | pondlife | Also noticed that audio_invalidate_tracks() should be a static |
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| 18:21:54 | lostlogic | the metadata code should always reset the seek position to the beginning, IIRC −− maybe it has to do with the initial seek support of MP3? |
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| 18:23:23 | pondlife | That would make sense. Roll on metadata-in-buffer.... |
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| 18:23:44 | lostlogic | http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/temp.patch |
| 18:23:45 | amiconn | pondlife: The mp3 metadata parser is also used on archos |
| 18:24:04 | lostlogic | Does that fix the bug, and not break other stuff for you? (I can't really test it ATM, due to the worky thing) |
| 18:24:07 | amiconn | Be _very_ careful not to break the hwcodec playback engine |
| 18:24:13 | pondlife | Yes, the patch adds a new interface but leaves the existing one untouched |
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| 18:24:34 | * | amiconn stil wants to see a unified playback engine |
| 18:26:26 | pondlife | lostlogic: :( |
| 18:26:56 | lostlogic | pondlife: breaks other stuff, or doesn't fix the bug? |
| 18:26:57 | pondlife | Bad: copy_n > filerem |
| 18:26:57 | pondlife | Trying to compensate |
| 18:27:05 | lostlogic | bagh |
| 18:27:06 | pondlife | But doesn't tfill |
| 18:27:09 | pondlife | fill |
| 18:27:11 | lostlogic | I hate computers. |
| 18:27:12 | lostlogic | :) |
| 18:27:31 | pondlife | Then I loop with ... OUCH m=0, rc=0, fr=16384 |
| 18:28:13 | lostlogic | ah, my fault. |
| 18:28:43 | pondlife | Is there a patch option to remove a patch? |
| 18:29:08 | obo | -R |
| 18:29:13 | pondlife | Great |
| 18:31:40 | lostlogic | pondlife: same URL new patch, this time it sucks less :) |
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| 18:32:41 | * | lostlogic gets his ipod working with the work computer again for testing −− I took too long off from this game :) |
| 18:33:03 | pondlife | lostlogic: \o/ |
| 18:33:13 | pondlife | 8 tracks buffered |
| 18:33:21 | lostlogic | w00t |
| 18:33:36 | pondlife | I'll just look at the logf... |
| 18:34:09 | pondlife | Still says: Bad: copy_n > filerem, Trying to compensate... |
| 18:34:17 | pondlife | and then it compensates! |
| 18:34:19 | lostlogic | ... weird... |
| 18:34:24 | lostlogic | it shouldn't hafta |
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| 18:34:54 | pondlife | It only does it on the currently playing file, the subsequent ones are ok |
| 18:35:57 | lostlogic | yeah −− still, shouldn't happen |
| 18:36:14 | * | lostlogic looks over the rebuffer_and_seek code again |
| 18:36:16 | pondlife | You're comparing rc and filerem... why mention copy_n? |
| 18:36:20 | pondlife | ! |
| 18:36:49 | lostlogic | cuz I hadn't changed it yet when I cut the patch ;) |
| 18:36:56 | pondlife | OK, just checkinv |
| 18:36:58 | pondlife | g |
| 18:41:35 | lostlogic | pondlife: ok, I'm getting annoying, but can you try another patch? I don't have any id3v1 files handy. |
| 18:41:38 | lostlogic | (same URL) |
| 18:42:07 | pondlife | It's not annoying. Not being able to repro an annoying bug is annoying... |
| 18:43:12 | pondlife | Ah build failure... |
| 18:43:23 | pondlife | Maybe my logfs |
| 18:44:04 | pondlife | Nope, your logfs! |
| 18:44:10 | lostlogic | whatwhowhere? |
| 18:44:17 | pondlife | filerem isn't a variable |
| 18:44:19 | pondlife | tracks[track_widx].filerem is |
| 18:44:39 | lostlogic | gah, why the hell... it doesn't build fail for me. |
| 18:44:46 | lostlogic | gah, why the hell... it doesn't build fail for me. |
| 18:44:51 | lostlogic | and I can't type besides :) |
| 18:45:24 | pondlife | Looks good, buffers ok and no bad:.. |
| 18:45:31 | lostlogic | ok, cool. |
| 18:45:34 | lostlogic | thanks :) |
| 18:45:40 | pondlife | OUCH m=0, rc=16384, fr=13037 |
| 18:45:40 | pondlife | OUCH m=0, rc=13037, fr=0 |
| 18:45:40 | pondlife | Finished buf:4462589B |
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| 18:46:25 | lostlogic | much better. |
| 18:46:51 | lostlogic | why OUCH? I usually use BLOW (because that's my firstinitial+lastname, and funny) :) |
| 18:47:26 | pondlife | OUCH because it's like putting disinfectant on a wound |
| 18:47:49 | pondlife | Also, I've found I can reliably search for "OUCH before releasing something... |
| 18:48:06 | lostlogic | yep, I /BLOW/ before committing :) |
| 18:48:21 | pondlife | So is there a commit coming soon? |
| 18:48:25 | lostlogic | done already |
| 18:48:36 | pondlife | Aha, just need that build to go. |
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| 18:51:11 | preglow | does sim simulate hwcodec? |
| 18:51:23 | preglow | as in make sound |
| 18:53:25 | amiconn | nope |
| 18:53:32 | preglow | kinda hard to find out if one breaks hwcodec, then |
| 18:53:53 | preglow | why not make a mas emulator thingie that uses libmad? |
| 18:53:53 | amiconn | How do you think hwcodec could be simulated? |
| 18:54:14 | amiconn | After all, the simulator is mainly an ui simulator, not an emulator |
| 18:54:38 | preglow | well, that's changable |
| 18:54:51 | amiconn | Now that we have libmad, it might be possible to use it for simulating a mas (though not very precisely) |
| 18:55:09 | preglow | simulating precisely isn't that important, as long as the playback logic can be debugged |
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| 18:55:29 | pondlife | The simulator is a very good media player too. |
| 18:55:42 | preglow | pondlife: would be if it didn't suck quite so much cpu |
| 18:55:52 | pondlife | It doesn't here |
| 18:55:58 | preglow | doesn't it, now |
| 18:56:17 | preglow | then i'm seriously considering just making it able to access all my drives |
| 18:56:17 | amiconn | pondlife: I do much prefer the real thing. |
| 18:56:29 | preglow | amiconn: the real thing doesn't have 200 gigs of storage space |
| 18:56:47 | pondlife | Ah, it does use CPU now. But that was fixed at one time.. |
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| 18:57:44 | amiconn | preglow: None of my PCs has 200GB, and I don't need that much for my music collection either... |
| 18:57:58 | pondlife | The real thing is useful when you're not at your PC, but it needs syncing and charging. |
| 18:58:38 | amiconn | I prefer the real thing even when I'm at the PC. |
| 18:58:40 | preglow | it also wears down its battery... |
| 18:58:56 | pondlife | I'm trying to avoid early surgery on my H340. |
| 18:59:09 | preglow | i'd probably do to, but i like keeping my battery as long as i can |
| 18:59:15 | preglow | that is, if it had more than 20 gigs of hd |
| 18:59:16 | amiconn | The only things I am using a PC media player for are videos, streaming audio, and some formats not (yet) playable on target |
| 18:59:31 | * | pondlife suspects his Archos Recorder will outlive his H340 |
| 18:59:39 | preglow | amiconn: what formats would that be? |
| 18:59:48 | * | preglow summonds freqmod |
| 18:59:59 | * | Paul_the_Nerd has a few files in .ra, unfortunately. |
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| 19:00:12 | preglow | transcode to flac and delete! |
| 19:00:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 19:00:19 | amiconn | preglow: .mod, .s3m, .it, ...... |
| 19:00:27 | preglow | i transcoded my one wma to wavpack |
| 19:00:29 | preglow | didn't delete, though |
| 19:00:37 | amiconn | .ra isn't a format, it's a disease |
| 19:00:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually they'd probably be well suited to speex. |
| 19:00:50 | preglow | amiconn: ahh, those, will be a happy day when they get supported |
| 19:01:29 | amiconn | More exotic ones: whittaker, .smus, Oktalyzer, ... |
| 19:01:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Isn't there speex stuff in the tracker? |
| 19:01:45 | lostlogic | firefox2!? |
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| 19:02:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, speex, 5 days old, any ideas what's keeping that out, or is it more of a "nobody's brought it in" state? |
| 19:03:00 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: yes there is, which is why i'm summoning freqmod |
| 19:03:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Aaah |
| 19:03:27 | preglow | it's basically ready to commit |
| 19:03:36 | preglow | but it's got som sim funkiness in it i want resolved |
| 19:03:46 | amiconn | preglow: Transcoding to .flac won't help me much. |
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| 19:04:02 | preglow | amiconn: unless you start working on that decoder |
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| 19:11:54 | lex | hey |
| 19:12:08 | lex | when my ipod comes, do i have to charge the battery for ~24 hours? |
| 19:12:13 | lex | or is it ready when it says so |
| 19:16:11 | godzirra | Anyone have an original 5.5g bootloader? |
| 19:16:25 | godzirra | err bootpartition rather |
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| 19:17:43 | lex | I did some googling and now I'm absolutely positively 100% sure you DON'T need to charge new Li-Ion batteries for 16 hours. |
| 19:17:45 | lowlight | Looks like Firefox 2.0 is out early: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061023-8049.html |
| 19:17:47 | lex | oh, at last |
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| 19:21:42 | lowlight | lostlogic: feel like stripping APE tags from files too? |
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| 19:25:53 | lostlogic | lowlight: are they also stored at the ends? now that the playback code won't be confused by stuff being stripped, I don't care one way or another. If they are at the beginning, then there's no point |
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| 19:34:20 | lowlight | lostlogic: yes, APE tags are at the end. I did a patch a while ago http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5684 but didn't commit because I wasn't sure if there were endian-ness problems. |
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| 19:35:40 | lowlight | Actually the presence of APE tags will mess up gapless playback. |
| 19:36:24 | lostlogic | nod |
| 19:36:36 | lostlogic | what happens if a file has both id3v1 and ape? |
| 19:36:39 | lostlogic | which order are the written in? |
| 19:37:01 | lostlogic | is there any way to make sure we strip both? |
| 19:37:02 | lowlight | I think id3v1 at the end for compatibility. |
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| 19:37:12 | lostlogic | ah, ok, hence the goto logic |
| 19:37:44 | lowlight | http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=APEv2_specification |
| 19:39:02 | lostlogic | I don't see why that would have endianness issues −− the apev2 tags should always be written in the same endianness regardless of playing platform and if your version reading is right then ... yeah... |
| 19:39:19 | lostlogic | lowlight: update the patch to current code and commit it, it fixes gapless with apev2 and people will report bugs if it breaks, but it looks fine to me. |
| 19:39:45 | lostlogic | (use the new macros for ring buffer logic where needed) |
| 19:40:23 | preglow | argh |
| 19:40:29 | preglow | id3v1 should never have been invented |
| 19:41:02 | lowlight | ok. I'll add it to my todo list.....................................................................there :) |
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| 19:43:05 | preglow | you'll travel back in time and undo id3v1? |
| 19:43:06 | preglow | thanks! |
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| 19:50:53 | amiconn | Who would use ape tags for mpeg audio? Aren't ape tags meant for mokey audio? |
| 19:50:59 | amiconn | *monkey |
| 19:52:57 | obo | foobar v.8 used them as default for .mp3s |
| 19:53:02 | lowlight | amiconn: foobar defaulted to ape tags on mp3s until recent versions |
| 19:53:08 | lostlogic | they're 'better' tags than the other tagging formats, according to many. |
| 19:53:22 | preglow | they are, heh |
| 19:53:23 | preglow | less complex |
| 19:53:33 | preglow | especiall compared to id3 |
| 19:53:34 | lostlogic | I have no opinion, hence the qualification |
| 19:53:58 | Genre9mp3 | vorbis comments are nice, too |
| 19:54:23 | lowlight | not on mp3s :) |
| 19:54:46 | Genre9mp3 | as a tagging format I meant :) |
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| 19:59:45 | amiconn | preglow: less complex than id3v1? ;) |
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| 20:05:48 | preglow | well, id3v1 hardly qualifies as usable, so doesn't count |
| 20:06:21 | amiconn | It's very usable, just severely limited in field length |
| 20:07:50 | preglow | which makes it somewhat unusable |
| 20:07:54 | Genre9mp3 | ...whic makes it unusable |
| 20:08:03 | Genre9mp3 | heh |
| 20:08:41 | preglow | if i want a tag, i want a complete one and preferably no risk of corruption |
| 20:08:47 | preglow | corrupted tags by design isn't good |
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| 20:18:34 | linuxstb | Evenin' all. |
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| 20:26:02 | jaczehack | This one http://www.applegazette.com/ipod/10-games-that-should-be-on-the-ipod/ plus this one http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0115kj6.jpg is quite funny I think :). Apple wants it. Rockbox has it (soon) (I didn't code it) |
| 20:26:38 | godzirra | Anyone have a 5.5 rootpartition.bin? |
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| 20:30:55 | godzirra | Does anyone have the bootpartition.bin off of a 30 Gigabyte ipod 5.5g? |
| 20:31:03 | godzirra | Oops. |
| 20:31:13 | godzirra | was screolleod up. Didnt see that I just asked that. |
| 20:31:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Why don't you just restore your iPod? |
| 20:31:40 | godzirra | Becasue I dont want to have to install itunes :( |
| 20:31:46 | godzirra | mostly :) |
| 20:31:53 | godzirra | Actually I dont have my linux box handy. |
| 20:31:59 | godzirra | I'm doing the work on my linux box I'm sshing into |
| 20:32:02 | godzirra | and using windows version of dd |
| 20:32:04 | XavierGr | petur: about ticking on fade in/out: This is already known at least for iriver units. I always hear that on H140, H120 and H300 |
| 20:32:07 | godzirra | to get it on my ipod now |
| 20:32:12 | godzirra | i can always wait until I get home I guess. |
| 20:32:19 | XavierGr | petur: can be also heard quite easily on volume changes |
| 20:33:06 | jaczehack | Maybe you should hava a vmware xp image with itunes installed for these types of things? |
| 20:33:45 | godzirra | No, my problem is that I'm running windows now on my laptop (It died and havent reinstall linux) |
| 20:33:50 | godzirra | and I dont -want- to have to install itunes ;) |
| 20:33:58 | petur | XavierGr: ok, must be my bad memory then :/ |
| 20:34:09 | jaczehack | ok |
| 20:34:10 | godzirra | oh well. |
| 20:34:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | In the time between your first and second asking (~10 minutes) you could've downloaded, installed iTunes, restored, and removed it. :-P |
| 20:35:38 | godzirra | Yeah, I know. I'm downloading it now ;p |
| 20:36:06 | linuxstb | godzirra: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-09/0042.shtml |
| 20:36:35 | godzirra | thanks |
| 20:37:00 | jaczehack | just downroad and lun |
| 20:37:39 | XavierGr | petur: truth is that it is not very stressed |
| 20:37:56 | XavierGr | petur: When I first encountered it, I thought my player was faulty |
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| 20:39:04 | XavierGr | petur: and I am very annoyed by it, it is supposed that these are high quality audio equipment (well for their size), I would expect normal behaviour on volume change |
| 20:39:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | They're consumer electronics, not professional gear. |
| 20:42:01 | XavierGr | Paul: yeah but high quality is crucial for these devices |
| 20:42:08 | Lear | xaviergr: that ticking, is it even without remote? |
| 20:42:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | XavierGr: How is "no tick on volume change" terribly crucial? |
| 20:43:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Especially considering I've found that I can only hear it on certain earphones, and usually only at relatively low levels, which probably the vast majority of consumers don't listen at. |
| 20:43:36 | * | linuxstb hasn't noticed any ticking on his h140 |
| 20:43:52 | petur | XavierGr: yeah (sorry, was on the phone) |
| 20:43:59 | * | Lear neither. |
| 20:44:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: I can hear a faint noise on volume changes at low levels (below -35 or -40, mostly). One tick per level of change, quite faint. |
| 20:45:05 | petur | should do a recording of the output and see what it is |
| 20:45:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | I can actually also hear it on the iPod Nano, both in Rockbox and the retail firmware. |
| 20:45:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | Only with one pair of earphones I have, though. |
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| 20:47:03 | XavierGr | it has nothing to do with remote ticking |
| 20:47:13 | XavierGr | this is quite faint and only occurs on volume change |
| 20:47:23 | XavierGr | and of course is present on OF |
| 20:47:28 | petur | damn... my sinewave testtrack and sine generator were on my crashed disk :( |
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| 20:57:01 | DerPapst | hi. there is a little mistake in the DeviceChart wiki page. The 3G iPod can't be charged via USB. Only via FireWire. |
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| 21:01:18 | dan_a | DerPapst: Changed. Thank you. |
| 21:02:20 | DerPapst | : |
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| 21:02:25 | DerPapst | i mean :) |
| 21:05:16 | preglow | petur: cool edit pro does sine waves |
| 21:05:19 | amiconn | petur: What was so special about your sine generator? I mean, you can easily create sine tracks with Audacity... |
| 21:05:30 | petur | heh - just did that ;) |
| 21:05:42 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:05:50 | preglow | i think i've got a sine wave generator plugin, actually |
| 21:07:06 | petur | bah, no glitches visible *grabs headphone* |
| 21:10:22 | DerPapst | dan_a: if you care: the specs for the firewire charger are 12V 0.67A. and all iPods can be charged via FireWire. |
| 21:10:42 | DerPapst | and the LCD size for 3G is 41x33mm |
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| 21:10:56 | DerPapst | and probably for 4G and photo/color too |
| 21:12:44 | petur | this is what I'm hearing: petur/volumeglitch.jpg">http://users.telenet.be/petur/volumeglitch.jpg seems like an UDA problem to me |
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| 21:16:13 | Lear | UDA? |
| 21:16:29 | petur | iriver DAC/ADC |
| 21:16:37 | preglow | petur: looks like a perfectly ordinary volume step |
| 21:17:17 | petur | you think? looks like quite some under/overshoot to me |
| 21:17:41 | preglow | how? |
| 21:18:03 | preglow | looks like a amplitude stepped waveform through an ac coupling cap |
| 21:19:00 | petur | there's a small dc component during transition - is that normal? |
| 21:20:27 | preglow | such an immediate step in amplitude results in an impulse which contains all frequencies, not only dc |
| 21:20:37 | preglow | the subsequent coupling cap emphasises it |
| 21:20:47 | godzirra | I would really like the iriver clix if it had a bigger hard drive. I wonder how hard it would be to change, or if it even uses a hard drive for that matter instead of flash memory. |
| 21:21:01 | * | petur bows to the expert and goes on with his business |
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| 21:21:31 | preglow | petur: haha, don't take me for an expert, this does however look pretty normal if you ask me |
| 21:22:11 | petur | ok... it's just the first time I noticed it (and remember it) |
| 21:22:15 | linuxstb | godzirra: Check the forums at misticriver.net for all your iriver questions... |
| 21:22:19 | preglow | getting a couple of other opinions would also be wise |
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| 21:23:21 | godzirra | linuxstb: ahh, thanks. I was just googling for it and not finding much |
| 21:23:39 | godzirra | does the clix support rockbox? |
| 21:23:43 | godzirra | or vice verse I guess |
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| 21:24:34 | linuxstb | godzirra: No, the only supported iriver devices are h1x0, h3x0 and H10 |
| 21:24:43 | linuxstb | (and iFp7xx |
| 21:24:45 | mirak | does anyone ever used a usb to rs232 adapter on linux ? I wonder if it works |
| 21:25:42 | godzirra | Oh, well nevermind then. heh |
| 21:26:01 | * | amiconn wonders what happened to the idea of porting to the iGP100 |
| 21:26:06 | bluebrother | mirak, I did several times. Worked like a charm |
| 21:26:27 | bluebrother | Prolific and FTDI chipss |
| 21:26:28 | mirak | bluebrother: on linux ? there is no drivers ? |
| 21:26:35 | bluebrother | *chips |
| 21:26:40 | mirak | bluebrother: the one I see in shop is generic |
| 21:26:56 | bluebrother | the kernel has drivers for at least the FTDI and Prolific chips |
| 21:27:00 | mirak | http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/75012/acheter/19141/Cable-adaptateur-USB−−port-serie/ |
| 21:27:12 | mirak | impossible to have more specs |
| 21:28:37 | bluebrother | look at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/ |
| 21:28:54 | bluebrother | Prolific seems to be widely used as they are cheap |
| 21:29:19 | bluebrother | but I also saw one chip that was incompatible with linux. But the only advantage of that chip was its size. |
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| 21:31:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is the iGP100 a Coldfire player? |
| 21:31:52 | preglow | isn't it almost identical to h1x0? |
| 21:32:13 | dpassen1 | I thought the problem was there were no issued firmware updates for the iGP? |
| 21:33:50 | linuxstb | Does it accept updates though? |
| 21:34:00 | dpassen1 | Unsure |
| 21:34:35 | linuxstb | I can't remember anyone ever asking about such a port though - so there doesn't seem any demand. |
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| 21:35:58 | godzirra | Damnit, I wish I could just find a 30-40 gig hard drive for my h120 |
| 21:36:03 | godzirra | or a good priced h340 :/ |
| 21:37:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: The iGP100 is probably 99% identical to the iHP100 |
| 21:37:53 | amiconn | Just mechanically different and with microdrive instead of 1.8" hdd |
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| 21:42:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you working on the bitmap build system? |
| 21:43:43 | godzirra | So the gigabeat does not play music yet, correct? |
| 21:43:46 | godzirra | wth rockbox. |
| 21:43:51 | markun | correct |
| 21:43:55 | godzirra | k. |
| 21:44:04 | godzirra | i'm trying to find a new mp3 player because I really dont like my ipod. |
| 21:44:06 | Lear | Ouch, track gain of +64 sounds really bad. :) |
| 21:44:12 | godzirra | which I bought recently enouh to return |
| 21:44:16 | dpassen1 | +64 dB? |
| 21:44:37 | markun | godzirra: if you decide to buy a gigabeat: only the F and X series will be supported.. |
| 21:44:39 | Lear | That's what the tag says at least... |
| 21:44:46 | * | godzirra nods |
| 21:44:50 | godzirra | I was looking at an F |
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| 21:45:13 | * | petur wonders if he should continue down the philips route or look at the linux usb stack and isp1362 driver |
| 21:45:14 | godzirra | markun: But until rockbox is working on the gigabeat, I'd have to use WMP to transfer files, wouldnt I? |
| 21:45:16 | dpassen1 | Lear: Is there a spike in the file? That seems extraordinarily high |
| 21:45:39 | Lear | Must be a bug in Foobar, which did the conversion/replaygaining... |
| 21:46:04 | markun | godzirra: either that or Toshiba's application |
| 21:46:23 | dpassen1 | Anything odd in the console? When playing back the track or scanning? |
| 21:46:27 | markun | with WMP you only get USB 1.1 speeds, with Gigabeat Room you get USB 2.0 |
| 21:46:28 | * | amiconn is working on his laptop atm |
| 21:46:34 | amiconn | Replacing WLAN module... |
| 21:46:46 | godzirra | Ugh. |
| 21:47:04 | amiconn | 11b->11g |
| 21:47:35 | netmasta10bt | ? |
| 21:48:04 | Lear | Re-ran replaygain. Values looked much better. |
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| 21:54:20 | godzirra | I may have to settle for a non rockbox player for now. :/ If I could find a freaking player that supports usb drag and drop I would be not totally heartbroken by that. |
| 21:54:29 | godzirra | sigh.. I miss iriver's old players. :( |
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| 22:52:46 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594#comment11167 |
| 22:52:49 | Kitt0s | :] :] :] |
| 22:53:09 | obo | Kitt0s: does it work for you? |
| 22:53:17 | Kitt0s | not yet |
| 22:53:24 | Kitt0s | will test it in a sec |
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| 22:54:48 | Kitt0s | wich build can i test it on? |
| 22:54:55 | Kitt0s | using today's daily build |
| 22:55:18 | jhMikeS | LinusN: how goes it? Did you notice anything about the settings in slave mode? Seems just going back to mm makes everything kosher. :-\ |
| 22:55:23 | obo | patch was created on the current CVS |
| 22:55:35 | Kitt0s | on nice job then :] |
| 22:56:21 | LinusN | jhMikeS: haven't had time to check.... |
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| 22:58:05 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I understand...barely any here either but I did make a pcm-coldfire.c file which has the coldfire-specific elements of DMA transfer. |
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| 22:59:58 | jhMikeS | Has a "reverse" version of the pcm playback interface and pretty much all of the dealing with registers in out of pcm_record.c (except a little spdif stuff). |
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| 23:01:27 | Kitt0s | ok no errors yet |
| 23:01:28 | jhMikeS | Can't wait till my H120 gets here though. :) |
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| 23:02:54 | silentescape | hello |
| 23:04:34 | silentescape | anyone there?? |
| 23:04:49 | bluebrother | sure |
| 23:05:03 | silentescape | how did you install rockbox on ur iPod? |
| 23:05:12 | bluebrother | I don't own an ipod |
| 23:05:22 | silentescape | nevermind then |
| 23:05:25 | bluebrother | but what's your question? |
| 23:05:29 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 23:05:31 | LinusN | jhMikeS: nice |
| 23:05:35 | * | LinusN goes back to work |
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| 23:05:55 | silentescape | somehow i installed rockbox on my 5G iPod without using the manual |
| 23:06:04 | bluebrother | people in this channel usually don't react on hellos. Just ask, if someone's in who knows the answer you'll notice it. |
| 23:06:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: ooh, cool |
| 23:06:28 | silentescape | i just copy and pasted the files into the root of my iPod |
| 23:06:32 | silentescape | and it worked |
| 23:06:44 | bluebrother | did you install the bootloader? |
| 23:06:49 | silentescape | no |
| 23:07:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: should be able to feed data right back out but I'm not sure how to coordinate two DMA tranfers like that. |
| 23:07:07 | bluebrother | Rockbox *requires* the bootloader. |
| 23:07:19 | bluebrother | unless you are using ipl's loader2 which can load Rockbox. |
| 23:07:29 | silentescape | i used loader 2 |
| 23:07:35 | Kitt0s | obo: did it work for u? |
| 23:07:57 | silentescape | so if i used loader 2 do i have to go through the manual? |
| 23:08:18 | bluebrother | loader2 isn't supported. |
| 23:08:27 | silentescape | yea i know |
| 23:08:33 | bluebrother | thus, the manual only describes the official way, which is using the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 23:09:04 | bluebrother | see the wiki page Kitt0s mentioned before. It has some information on how to use loader2 |
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| 23:09:33 | BHSPitLappy | silentescape, so, do you even have a problem? |
| 23:09:35 | silentescape | i dind't find anything on the loader 2 |
| 23:09:49 | silentescape | yea kinda |
| 23:10:10 | bluebrother | look at the end of that page. |
| 23:10:29 | * | jhMikeS can stop pestering everyone about testing iRiver stuff now :) |
| 23:11:03 | bluebrother | jhMikeS, what are you working on? |
| 23:11:10 | obo | Kitt0s: seemed to, but I never used the original |
| 23:11:10 | silentescape | i c |
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| 23:11:36 | Kitt0s | seems to work for me 2.. wich settings do u use? |
| 23:11:40 | Kitt0s | the fast, faster etc. |
| 23:12:47 | obo | Kitt0s: I grabbed the first set I could find in the thread - this is a real quick'n'dirty bit of work just to get it back again |
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| 23:13:36 | Kitt0s | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.msg37942#msg37942 |
| 23:13:37 | Kitt0s | this? |
| 23:13:46 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: that monster recording update but I also went ahead and added the full duplex sound support which really just meant adding a low level pcm recording interface much like the playback one. The codec recording uses it now and suprisingly went off without a hitch. |
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| 23:14:21 | obo | one up, ryrans |
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| 23:14:54 | bluebrother | nice. |
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| 23:17:03 | Kitt0s | obo |
| 23:17:07 | Kitt0s | its still have some bugs i think |
| 23:17:16 | Kitt0s | it still jumps sometimes |
| 23:17:47 | obo | Kitt0s: yup, I think it misses the optimisations that used to go with it |
| 23:18:00 | Kitt0s | can the faster and fastest be disabled? :| |
| 23:18:29 | obo | Kitt0s: set them to their max level? |
| 23:18:36 | Kitt0s | hmm |
| 23:22:04 | Kitt0s | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.msg55520#msg55520 |
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| 23:53:11 | jhMikeS | is set_irq_level a relatively cheap or expensive op on coldfire? |
| 23:54:05 | preglow | relatively cheap, i'd say |
| 23:54:07 | preglow | why? |
| 23:57:52 | jhMikeS | To protect the pointer when calcing recording peaks. It run from it's last position up to the current DAR1 but DMA1 must set it when the next data is available and pcm_rec_get_peaks must update the cp after peaking. |
| 23:58:09 | preglow | i'd gues the whole op takes some ten cycles |
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