00:00:47 | amiconn | Don't forget that the new dma needs to be set up rather quick |
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00:01:08 | vg | hello |
00:01:14 | Kitt0s | obo? |
00:01:27 | vg | does anyone know why browsing through the filebrowser is slow? |
00:01:29 | obo | yup? |
00:01:37 | jhMikeS | Without some effective mutex it won't nescessarily be peaking the correct position |
00:02:30 | vg | seems like the buffer needs to be larger maybe |
00:02:35 | jhMikeS | I'm trying to keep it all minimal. Doesn't really do any more than the playback does. |
00:02:48 | vg | it browses faster when the file names are shorter |
00:03:02 | vg | is there anyway i can increase the buffer size? |
00:03:17 | amiconn | That has nothing to do with the buffer size |
00:03:29 | amiconn | The whole directory is buffered at once |
00:03:37 | vg | so the solution is what? |
00:03:44 | vg | smaller directories? |
00:03:51 | vg | eg, less files in the directory? |
00:03:57 | amiconn | ? |
00:04:26 | vg | when i go to a folder, say my latest music folder. and i am browsing through the files in it, it scrolls very slow |
00:04:27 | amiconn | I didn't observe browsing speed to depend on the number of files... |
00:04:28 | jhMikeS | vg: more font drawing and string operations I'd guess |
00:04:46 | vg | i am using a theme |
00:05:02 | vg | so if i put it in the default theme it might go faster? |
00:05:22 | Kitt0s | drivers/lcd-16bit.c: In function 'lcd_puts_customline_scroll_style_offset': |
00:05:24 | Kitt0s | drivers/lcd-16bit.c:881: error: 'struct scrollinfo' has no member named 'fgcolor |
00:05:26 | Kitt0s | ' |
00:05:28 | Kitt0s | drivers/lcd-16bit.c:882: error: 'struct scrollinfo' has no member named 'bgcolor |
00:05:31 | Kitt0s | ' |
00:05:35 | Kitt0s | what does that mean ?:| |
00:05:53 | vg | one other thing ive noticed.. if i have one song playing, and and i am looking through to dir to queue another song, if i scroll to quickly than the audio freezes for a moment |
00:06:07 | vg | *too |
00:06:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kitt0s: Do you know C? |
00:06:45 | Kitt0s | yea but y doesn't it make a new member then? |
00:07:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | It? What it? |
00:07:11 | vg | oh well, maybe if i use tagcache instead than it will be faster |
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00:08:03 | Kitt0s | i don't get it :\ |
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00:09:26 | Kitt0s | i seeeeee :] |
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00:35:50 | ArisGardelis | "Greetings Robots" |
00:36:31 | ArisGardelis | has anyone started porting rockbox on gigabeat s ??? |
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00:47:36 | Genre9mp3 | ArisGardelis: AFAIK there is work only for Gigabeat F and X |
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01:05:44 | preglow | it is so that aac plays nicely on h1x0 nowadays, yas? |
01:06:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think up to ~192 last I heard. |
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01:17:06 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: just downloaded my first aac files ever, not counting test files |
01:17:08 | preglow | :Z |
01:17:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
01:17:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | I had a test file at one point, but I'm not sure what happened to it. I've lost it somewhere |
01:19:21 | preglow | oh wait, no, i also have a podcast |
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01:21:53 | preglow | do you now |
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01:22:18 | preglow | how's about you don't sell it here |
01:22:47 | greatseller | what? |
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01:23:46 | geniuetrader | i have uk cc and login.all i need is us cc and login.ripper stay clear. |
01:24:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Go away. |
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01:32:11 | preglow | should i ban these monkeCys before i go to bed in case they act the fool again? |
01:32:17 | preglow | s/C// |
01:32:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | I say yes. I think it's pretty clear they're not interested in Rockbox at all anyway. |
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01:33:06 | preglow | eh |
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01:33:55 | preglow | right, right, this is freenode |
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01:47:11 | chris088589 | you here? |
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02:05:24 | barrywardell | does Rockbox always run in supervisor mode on arm (pp5020)? |
02:06:17 | * | RogerBacon OFFICIAL : First step to hack the Gigabeat S. I have the file and dir and try to find more information with fdisk ... |
02:06:20 | dan_a | barrywardell: I'm pretty sure it does. |
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02:07:41 | webguest50 | Does anyone know how to copy text from eterm in VMware? |
02:08:48 | jhMikeS | webguest50: pencil and paper? There's supposed to be some tools or something but I haven't seen em. |
02:09:20 | preglow | barrywardell: yes it does |
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02:09:41 | barrywardell | dan_a: so asm volatile("msr cpsr_c, #0x13"); would enable irq and fiq in cpsr? |
02:11:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: can't sleep huh? |
02:11:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: didn't try yet, got intercepted at the last moment |
02:13:42 | dan_a | barrywardell: Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. |
02:13:57 | * | dan_a needs to get an ARM book to keep by him |
02:13:57 | barrywardell | i think it should but was just checking |
02:14:46 | barrywardell | dan_a: also, in your cop patch, you use if(CURRENT_CORE == CPU) |
02:14:57 | barrywardell | does that work with rockbox cvs |
02:15:03 | barrywardell | or does it require your patch? |
02:15:36 | dan_a | It should work with current CVS - I'm pretty sure it's used in the threading code. |
02:16:20 | dan_a | CURRENT_CORE and CPU should be defined in firmware/export/pp5020.h |
02:16:52 | dan_a | Sorry, that's not true |
02:17:26 | dan_a | They're defined in firmware/export/config.h |
02:17:33 | barrywardell | ok, thanks |
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02:19:08 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: sorry for the interupt, but can you remember the keys in the Sansa simulator (just used your patch) I am having difficulties with up/down |
02:19:16 | dan_a | CURRENT_CORE is hardcoded to 0 on single core architectures (including PP chips until the dual core patch works properly,) or current_core() on dual core. |
02:20:15 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: nevermind... just found out... it's 3 and 9 |
02:20:16 | barrywardell | Genre9mp3; 8=top button, 2=bottom, 9=scroll_up, 3=scroll_down, 4=left, 6=right |
02:20:17 | * | jhMikeS wonders why sim keys aren't all the same |
02:20:30 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: thanx |
02:20:43 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: the Sansa has (kinda) two versions of up/down |
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02:22:59 | barrywardell | thanks dan_a. i'm trying out something with frequency scaling |
02:23:04 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: there's one where left/right == up/down and vice versa too. |
02:23:31 | dan_a | barrywardell: I think setting the CPSR to 0x13 disables IRQ and FIQ. crt0-pp sets it to 0xd3 before jumping to main() |
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02:25:01 | barrywardell | dan_a: hmm. i have it backwards so? i'm looking at a manual that says that bits 6 and 7 disable fiq and irq when they're set |
02:25:21 | RogerBacon | Gigabeat S file system : HDD /dev/sda: 60.0 Go, 60011642880 octets 64 head, 32 sector, 57231 cylinders Unit = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 octets |
02:25:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | RogerBacon: Pasting things into a channel doesn't do much good... |
02:26:06 | barrywardell | dan_a: and at the start of crt0-pp.S it uses 0xd3 to disable irq??? |
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02:27:28 | dan_a | barrywardell: I stand corrected |
02:27:46 | RogerBacon | fdisk tell me that is not a valid filesystem ! any idea ? |
02:27:49 | Genre9mp3 | haha... pong is at a very high difficulty on the Sansa! :) |
02:28:13 | barrywardell | dan_a: but then where do irqs get enabled at all? |
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02:30:43 | * | jhMikeS 's H120 has shipped :))) |
02:31:59 | dan_a | barrywardell: By the look of it, when set_irq_level is called. That's defined in firmware/export/system.h |
02:34:02 | barrywardell | ah yes. i see it now |
02:34:12 | * | barrywardell is still getting to grips with arm |
02:34:42 | jhMikeS | punny! :) |
02:35:02 | * | Paul_the_Nerd rolls his eyes. |
02:36:26 | scorche | anyone happen to remember the approx size limit for romvbox on the FM recorder? |
02:36:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | 233k? |
02:36:45 | scorche | hurrah! |
02:36:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | 233456 or something |
02:36:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | The number seemed really contrived when I saw it |
02:36:59 | scorche | that means i have plenty to spare =) |
02:37:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | You've been trimming? |
02:37:08 | amiconn | 228KB |
02:37:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Huzzah, an actually correct number. |
02:37:32 | amiconn | 228*1024 - 16 |
02:37:49 | scorche | made a patch that gets rid of tagcache...i knew i am fine on space, but was wondering how much spare space i have |
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02:38:20 | scorche | sad thing, is that i ifdefed something important out in tree.c and have yet to figure out what it is exactly... |
02:38:40 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: brutal |
02:39:11 | scorche | rombox.ucl is 221,006 bytes without tagcache |
02:39:22 | scorche | for FM recorder |
02:39:51 | amiconn | You cannot know exactly until you've put back your important thing |
02:40:08 | jhMikeS | lol |
02:40:53 | scorche | i know...but approx |
02:41:46 | scorche | pressing play on anything in the tree or setting config files/themes/etc isnt working...nor is going forward on any folder to open it |
02:41:51 | scorche | and when i am in the menu and press the button to get out of the menu, it freezes |
02:41:54 | scorche | =/ |
02:42:24 | scorche | sounds like some issue with updating in tree.c? |
02:42:33 | amiconn | The available space for rombox is 228KB on all archoses except Player which has 232KB available |
02:43:19 | amiconn | ...unless you've put in a 512KB flash eprom, then you have plenty of space |
02:43:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: I tried compiling an iPod build recently, and left entered folders, and right exited them... Not quite the same problem, but it was weird menu behaviour. |
02:44:42 | scorche | anyone with intimate knowledge of tree.c willing to have a quick look at it for me? |
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03:03:48 | cool | hi |
03:03:57 | cool | i need some help...is anyone here? |
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03:05:26 | scorche | just barely over a min of waiting |
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03:27:57 | midgey34 | barrywardell: are you able to build the sim on osx? |
03:28:34 | barrywardell | midgey34: i've had a little trouble recently but managed to get it working |
03:28:54 | barrywardell | there's a problem with debug_menu.c which was causing me trouble |
03:28:55 | midgey34 | hmm, it fails here |
03:29:00 | midgey34 | any fix? |
03:29:25 | barrywardell | I can send you a patch which just disables the debug menu if you want |
03:29:48 | midgey34 | that'd work fine |
03:29:57 | barrywardell | ok, hang on a sec |
03:36:25 | barrywardell | midgey34: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sim_osx.patch |
03:37:53 | midgey34 | all right, thanks |
03:38:00 | barrywardell | midgey34: you also need to copy the file apps/bitmaps/mono/osx.dummy.bmp to apps/plugins/bitmaps/mono |
03:38:27 | barrywardell | and to apps/plugins/bitmaps/remote_mono and apps/plugins/bitmaps/remote_native |
03:38:27 | midgey34 | yep, saw that |
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03:40:09 | barrywardell | midgey34: if you can find the problem in debug_menu.c, please let me know |
03:40:18 | midgey34 | will do |
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04:00:31 | neddy | Is this true? http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/sandisk-hits-up-rockbox-for-some-firmware/ |
04:00:41 | neddy | "SanDisk hits up Rockbox for some firmware" ?? |
04:01:17 | linuxstb | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
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04:03:44 | neddy | heh |
04:03:52 | neddy | that's the last word on the subject, I take it |
04:05:44 | linuxstb | Well, the port seems to be progressing, even without any documentation from Sansa. The forum thread linked from that page documents the progress. |
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04:09:14 | neddy | ...long thread |
04:13:29 | neddy | so what happened? So lowly geek who likes rockbox or oss or something took it upon himself to contact rockbox? |
04:13:44 | neddy | Or was this an official from sandisk with a title and a business card and everything? |
04:13:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | It was, for all practical purposes, a marketing ploy I think. |
04:14:17 | neddy | that's kinda sad |
04:15:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well it did kinda lead to the H10 port. |
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04:16:09 | neddy | what is H10? |
04:16:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | The iRiver H10 player |
04:16:17 | neddy | ah |
04:21:14 | neddy | I was just trolling their web page - they don't seem to have 3rd party developer program |
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04:22:39 | linuxstb | Whose web page? |
04:35:09 | neddy | I was looking for developer info on sandisk's web page |
04:38:09 | linuxstb | No, there's nothing like that. All they did was donate three players to Rockbox. |
04:38:27 | neddy | I saw |
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06:03:43 | Acidictadpole | hey. |
06:03:52 | Acidictadpole | Having a weird issue with my 4g |
06:04:05 | Acidictadpole | where i can format it to 1gb only (938mb) |
06:06:58 | Acidictadpole | anyone around? |
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06:08:53 | aliask | Acidictadpole: Try using the apple factory reset |
06:09:34 | Acidictadpole | from itunes or a seperate download |
06:10:03 | aliask | Whichever you can get your hands on, but the seperate one isn't distributed any more |
06:10:14 | Acidictadpole | hmm |
06:10:19 | Acidictadpole | rockbox is already on my ipod |
06:10:25 | Acidictadpole | im not sure how to get itunes to recognize it |
06:10:34 | aliask | That shouldn't make any difference. |
06:10:41 | Acidictadpole | well itunes doesn't see it |
06:10:50 | aliask | iTunes still bugs me about my iPod |
06:11:35 | aliask | Maybe there is something wrong with the harddrive in the iPod? |
06:12:32 | Acidictadpole | it was working before i put rockbox on.. and i haven't dropped it or anything so i wouldn't think so |
06:13:18 | aliask | Does the OF still work? |
06:13:23 | Acidictadpole | OF? |
06:13:35 | aliask | Original firmware... sorry |
06:13:42 | Acidictadpole | i dont know |
06:13:46 | Acidictadpole | itunes doesn't see it |
06:13:50 | Acidictadpole | and neithe does windows anymore |
06:14:03 | aliask | Tried resetting it to disk mode? |
06:14:11 | Acidictadpole | how does one do that? |
06:14:34 | aliask | Plug it into USB and hold menu and select down for about 20 seconds |
06:15:03 | Acidictadpole | padt the restart? |
06:15:08 | Acidictadpole | past*? |
06:15:17 | aliask | it should restart into disk mode |
06:15:43 | Acidictadpole | what are the signs that it is in "disk mode" |
06:15:58 | aliask | should show a usb image on screen |
06:16:05 | Acidictadpole | i dont see it |
06:16:14 | aliask | could the battery just be really dead? |
06:16:18 | Acidictadpole | it's full |
06:16:29 | Acidictadpole | i recharged it earlier today |
06:16:34 | aliask | what signs of life is it showing? |
06:16:38 | Acidictadpole | um |
06:16:47 | Acidictadpole | rockbox main menu (recent bookmarks etc) , full battery bar |
06:16:54 | Acidictadpole | clock is right |
06:16:58 | Acidictadpole | light turns on |
06:16:59 | aliask | oh so rockbox boots... |
06:17:01 | Acidictadpole | i can scroll around |
06:17:12 | aliask | what happens if you insert the usb while rockbox is running? |
06:17:18 | Acidictadpole | yea, and while trying to move songs over i notice i have a 1gb hard drive |
06:17:25 | Acidictadpole | on whats supposed to be a 20gb 4g |
06:17:28 | Acidictadpole | nothing |
06:17:34 | Acidictadpole | windows doesn't see it as a drive anymore |
06:17:38 | Acidictadpole | and itunes doesnt see it either |
06:17:42 | aliask | does rockbox restart? |
06:17:53 | aliask | or do anything at all? |
06:17:56 | Acidictadpole | it can yes |
06:18:03 | aliask | "it can"? |
06:18:11 | Acidictadpole | i was holding menu and the center button for that 20seconds |
06:18:22 | Acidictadpole | it restarted like 8 times during that 20 secnds |
06:18:23 | aliask | nono, when you insert the usb, does rockbox quit |
06:18:27 | Acidictadpole | no |
06:18:36 | Acidictadpole | wait |
06:18:37 | aliask | sounds like a dead usb cable or usb connector |
06:18:40 | Acidictadpole | it's not usb |
06:18:42 | Acidictadpole | im using firewire |
06:18:47 | Acidictadpole | does that make a difference? :/ |
06:18:53 | aliask | no idea... |
06:18:58 | Acidictadpole | does it need to be usb? ill try |
06:19:03 | scorche | firewire isnt supported |
06:19:16 | Acidictadpole | ok |
06:19:21 | Acidictadpole | it does something now |
06:19:48 | Acidictadpole | ok that fixed everything |
06:19:53 | scorche | ;) |
06:19:55 | Acidictadpole | where on the site does it say that btw? just so know ? |
06:20:01 | scorche | not sure |
06:20:03 | Acidictadpole | hmm |
06:20:07 | scorche | i would check the manual or FAQ |
06:20:09 | aliask | I've never heard it, so it can't be that common :S |
06:20:09 | Acidictadpole | well, i iddn't think i missed it |
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06:20:38 | scorche | aliask: it turns out that the person was using firewire quite often actually |
06:20:54 | aliask | I guess I don't lurk here enough ;) |
06:21:34 | scorche | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6061.0 |
06:21:47 | aliask | And I avoid the forums like the plague. |
06:21:56 | scorche | hehe |
06:22:39 | jhMikeS | Thought: shouldn't "like the plague" be update to something like "like hepatitis C"? |
06:23:20 | aliask | I'm living in the 1600's am I now? |
06:23:22 | scorche | Acidictadpole: you are right...i dont see it anywhere except in the forums...i will have it be added to the manual |
06:23:31 | Acidictadpole | thanks |
06:23:37 | scorche | ...when i see someone active who works on the manual ;) |
06:23:40 | Acidictadpole | that confused the crap out of me and my roommate |
06:23:42 | jhMikeS | Just thinking about modernizing some expression. :) |
06:23:48 | Acidictadpole | cuz I did the ENTIRE installation with firewire |
06:23:57 | Acidictadpole | and even moved over 1gb of songs |
06:24:10 | Acidictadpole | but the problem arose when I noticed i could ONLY move over 1gb |
06:24:12 | scorche | well, at least it was something easy =) |
06:24:34 | jhMikeS | And what with "I avoid hepatitis C like the plague"? |
06:24:41 | aliask | AIDS would probably be more appropriate |
06:24:47 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: |
06:24:50 | scorche | i wouldnt say so |
06:24:56 | Davide-NYC | just woke up |
06:25:07 | Davide-NYC | sleeping at all sorts of wrong hours htese daysd |
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06:25:57 | Davide-NYC | I believe my playback issues (or at least next track issues) where big-audio-patch related |
06:26:28 | Davide-NYC | do you believe this too or is there doubt? |
06:26:32 | * | jhMikeS is bored and wants to spout on insipidly |
06:26:43 | Davide-NYC | spout on brother! |
06:27:00 | aliask | Huuuu my exams start in 3 days - time to start studying. |
06:27:01 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I think there's doubt...simply because the nothing I did controls that |
06:27:23 | Davide-NYC | wel here is what I did which may (or may not) shed light |
06:27:36 | jhMikeS | Can you reproduce the problem at will? Can you do it on an unpatched build? |
06:27:55 | * | jhMikeS notices you were gonna say how...:) |
06:28:11 | Davide-NYC | I patched and installed. I downloaded a daily to a folder. I rebooted and reset |
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06:28:47 | Davide-NYC | the "next track" was never readbale to my WPS (icatcher) and occaisionally the songs repeated |
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06:29:12 | Coldtoast | hi all |
06:29:18 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I should try a different WPS to test. I just use default with my own font and bg |
06:29:28 | Davide-NYC | I renamed the daily folder to .rockbox and rebooted and reset |
06:29:36 | Coldtoast | one of my friends with a H300 tells me he has a prob with Rockbox where button presses don't respond sometimes |
06:29:37 | Davide-NYC | problem gone |
06:29:53 | Coldtoast | well, it doews.. but takes a few seconds |
06:30:01 | Davide-NYC | dircache |
06:30:15 | Coldtoast | would that be due to the same thing causing fading probs on my ipod? |
06:30:18 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: just that change? |
06:30:19 | Davide-NYC | Coldtoast: tell your friend to enable dircache and then reboot |
06:30:24 | Coldtoast | ok |
06:30:29 | jhMikeS | dircache? You mean you have it on? |
06:30:35 | Davide-NYC | I do not |
06:30:43 | Davide-NYC | I was answering coldtoast, sorry |
06:30:55 | jhMikeS | ok neither do I but I don't have a WPS that looks into the future |
06:31:21 | Coldtoast | ok. just told him |
06:31:22 | Davide-NYC | icatcher exists for all platforms (I think) |
06:31:25 | Coldtoast | cheers |
06:31:27 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
06:31:35 | jhMikeS | I know, I mean I dont use one :) |
06:31:38 | Coldtoast | thanks |
06:31:43 | Davide-NYC | NP |
06:31:56 | jhMikeS | I always know the next song is coming |
06:32:11 | Davide-NYC | I wanted to reduce CPU load and not go custom AND have next track displayed |
06:32:13 | * | jhMikeS will check it right now |
06:32:32 | Coldtoast | heh. he had that disabled cos he thought, what with him having 9000 tracks, it might chew up memory |
06:32:33 | jhMikeS | but you're saying iCatcher will do this? |
06:33:11 | Davide-NYC | yes. Icatcher has no peakmeters, exists in all regular builds and shows next track |
06:33:36 | jhMikeS | I only have about 7700 tracks :( |
06:33:37 | Davide-NYC | It has more iCandy then I would like but hey, you can;t always get what you want |
06:33:49 | jhMikeS | Make your own |
06:34:17 | Davide-NYC | I would have to make one for all platforms and get it included in CVS to fit my requirements |
06:34:26 | Davide-NYC | I guess I could do that |
06:34:28 | Davide-NYC | :-( |
06:34:37 | jhMikeS | Testable on the sims no? |
06:34:38 | Davide-NYC | But...when? |
06:34:46 | jhMikeS | When you're not sleeping? |
06:34:54 | Davide-NYC | haha |
06:36:08 | jhMikeS | I don't seems to see anything at all on iCatcher .... hrm |
06:36:21 | Davide-NYC | blank screen? |
06:36:28 | jhMikeS | Just a bg |
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06:37:03 | Davide-NYC | well, that's not right. (and this comment is not helpful) |
06:37:47 | jhMikeS | boxes works though |
06:38:16 | Davide-NYC | WTF. :-( |
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06:38:39 | jhMikeS | HiPod dark is working |
06:39:58 | jhMikeS | Dance puff duo is working |
06:40:16 | Davide-NYC | Hey, I have to go but will return tomorrow. I'm in a bit of crunch mode with work (thus the random sleeping) but promise to get some real methodical testing done on the BAP soon. |
06:40:28 | Acidictadpole | nn Davide-NYC |
06:40:52 | Davide-NYC | yes? |
06:41:04 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: see you later...get some sleep and test! :) |
06:41:15 | Davide-NYC | Yes sir! |
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07:19:30 | rigel | is fm radio support planned for the h10? |
07:21:55 | scorche | if it has the hardware, im sure it is\ |
07:22:54 | jhMikeS | rigel: just wait long enough and complain often enought and that should work :) |
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07:26:38 | rigel | jhMikeS: hee. |
07:27:11 | rigel | while im making demands, better battery life would be nice too. :P |
07:27:36 | scorche | oh...that one isnt planned though |
07:27:43 | scorche | in fact, we have planned to make it worse |
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07:33:39 | Nimdae | i'd like to make a demand myself |
07:33:53 | Nimdae | i demand a shrubery |
07:34:02 | scorche | +b |
07:34:08 | Nimdae | lol |
07:34:38 | Nimdae | i can't find my earphones |
07:35:58 | Kitt0s | my ipod does an empty battery + lightning icon |
07:36:06 | Kitt0s | when connecting to usb |
07:36:13 | Kitt0s | means its charging?:\ |
07:36:19 | Nimdae | yar |
07:36:29 | Kitt0s | yes? |
07:36:46 | Nimdae | yar |
07:37:00 | lex | yarrr mateyy |
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07:37:18 | Kitt0s | but y can't i get it into USB mode? |
07:37:25 | BHSPitLappy | that a new part of rockbox, or are you referring to a non-rockbox mode |
07:37:26 | Nimdae | charge it up a bit |
07:37:44 | jhMikeS | I demand to know where the better i2c driver for coldfire is hidden...amiconn? |
07:37:46 | Nimdae | when it has more of a charge, unplug it and let it reboot |
07:37:49 | Kitt0s | its wired because it should be full charged |
07:37:59 | Nimdae | once it's rebooted, plug it back in |
07:38:21 | Kitt0s | BHSPitLappy: it shows the bootloader.. then i see the rockbox then it gives the white USB rockbox icon.. then it goes to that screen |
07:38:28 | Nimdae | yeah, that's happened to me before, i just left it and did something else, then later did those steps |
07:38:34 | lex | wtf rockbox has a disk mode for ipods? |
07:38:53 | BHSPitLappy | no |
07:38:57 | lex | ;d |
07:39:02 | Nimdae | it doesn't have a proper usb implementation from what i understand, so it kicks it to ipod disk mode |
07:39:08 | BHSPitLappy | rockbox reacts to usb by switching into emergency diskmode. |
07:39:09 | lex | yea |
07:39:15 | Kitt0s | yes |
07:39:21 | JdGordon | http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006490101,00.html |
07:39:23 | lex | so if you just want to charge it, hold menu when you plug the cable |
07:39:32 | Nimdae | yeah |
07:39:33 | scorche | Nimdae: not quite...it is more that we havent figured out the USB hardware yet |
07:39:40 | Kitt0s | no i want disk mode !:\ |
07:39:53 | Nimdae | scorche: right, that's what i mean, heh |
07:39:55 | lex | btw, i sold my 1 year old photo for 135 euros |
07:40:48 | scorche | "I turned round and the dog was on fire." |
07:40:50 | Nimdae | btw, i think somewhere in the wiki it mentions that rockbox on the ipods can't tell the difference between a real usb connection and just a plain power connection...my rockboxed ipod doesn't reboot to disk mode when i plug in just power |
07:40:51 | scorche | i would cry... |
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07:42:35 | Nimdae | it's actually kinda cool, when i have it in my car, i hit pause to stop playing, stick ipod in a hole, and leave... |
07:42:40 | lex | Nimdae: that's why i stopped using rockbox, no sleep mode, no disk mode :( |
07:42:54 | Nimdae | then when i get back in and start the car, the power kicks it on so it's booted by the time i'm looking for some tunes |
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07:43:07 | scorche | lex: that really doesnt make any sense... |
07:43:16 | lex | so it's better to play music on apple os, at school i have to stop the music so many times and so much rebooting isn't good for the battery |
07:43:24 | Nimdae | rockbox doesn't have a true sleep mode, yeah, that kinda sucks |
07:43:49 | lex | yep yep |
07:43:52 | Nimdae | i've also noticed the implementation of repeating a single track is kinda poor |
07:44:02 | lex | maybe it works better on nanos, because flash doesn't need so much power as a hard drive |
07:44:03 | Nimdae | it'll play the track in the buffer, then it'll requeue it |
07:44:05 | scorche | rebooting doesnt do bad things to the battery |
07:44:09 | Nimdae | meaning it spins up the disk a lot |
07:44:21 | Nimdae | rebooting just takes longer |
07:44:23 | lex | scorche: not on flash devices, but what about hd-devices |
07:44:38 | Nimdae | actually, rebooting does kill the battery on ipods |
07:44:40 | lex | every time i reboot to rockbox, the battery drains so much |
07:44:50 | lex | i don't know about nanos |
07:44:56 | scorche | still not really...the only *possible* bad thing is the hd spinning up can cause usual wear...but that would happen anyway |
07:44:56 | Nimdae | there's a computer at work that when i plug my ipod into it, it goes into a funky reboot loop, killed it in like a couple hours |
07:45:06 | lex | :p |
07:45:49 | Nimdae | i plugged it in to charge it from like 70% batt, went to check it so i could listen to it and it was almost completely dead, so i plugged it into another computer, heh |
07:45:58 | lex | nice |
07:46:21 | lex | my dvb-t -card does that, when i unplug it, sometimes this goes to a reboot loop too :o |
07:46:28 | lex | and it's just an usb-card |
07:46:41 | lex | but windows is windows |
07:46:51 | lex | my usb's doesn't even work on mac osx :( |
07:46:51 | scorche | Nimdae: that is just because it was constantly accessing and working... |
07:46:59 | Nimdae | exactly |
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07:47:04 | Nimdae | hence rebooting is hard on it |
07:47:27 | lex | maybe i should just go to school |
07:47:33 | lex | and pack my things up first |
07:47:34 | scorche | not really...it is just the same as if the buffer was constantly updating |
07:47:42 | scorche | but usually, it only does the start up once |
07:47:49 | Nimdae | yeah |
07:47:49 | scorche | liek the buffer does that every so often |
07:47:57 | Nimdae | my situation was a bit extreme |
07:48:04 | Nimdae | i don't see occasional boots being a problem |
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07:48:20 | Nimdae | having true sleep would just make startup a bit faster |
07:48:21 | scorche | which is why i said it doesnt "do bad things" |
07:48:35 | scorche | heh..startup is still pretty fast |
07:48:48 | Nimdae | yeah, but i like the almost instant on with the ipod software |
07:48:57 | lex | Nimdae: what ipod are you? ;D |
07:49:02 | scorche | oh no!...not another few seconds! |
07:49:04 | scorche | =P |
07:49:05 | Nimdae | 5g |
07:49:25 | Nimdae | hey |
07:49:31 | lex | :) |
07:49:34 | Nimdae | when i want tunes NOW, i want them 10 minutes ago |
07:49:44 | Nimdae | i don't have time for a long boot |
07:49:54 | scorche | not 9 and 57 seconds ago? =P |
07:50:35 | webguest22 | i just installed the lastest build on my h340 and after some use it seems to have frozen |
07:50:55 | Nimdae | takes approximately 10 seconds to boot from menu button press to tagcache view |
07:51:20 | Nimdae | that should be reduced by at least 8 seconds ;) |
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07:52:17 | Nimdae | really, what i want more than anything is the hardware to be figured out so it runs better and has longer battery life |
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07:53:20 | scorche | it will...i just find the idea of stopping using rockbox because of a couple seconds |
07:53:35 | scorche | stupid |
07:53:36 | scorche | =) |
07:53:40 | Nimdae | heh, i was just jerking you around on that ;) |
07:53:54 | Nimdae | i like rockbox, i play my big ogg collection on it |
07:54:14 | scorche | actually, it was lex who said that ;) |
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07:54:31 | Nimdae | i think he was pullin your leg too :P |
07:54:44 | Nimdae | he really only said that it would be nice to have true sleep |
07:55:36 | Rocket220 | i just installed rockbox for the first time on my h340 and it seems to have frozen after about 30 mins of use |
07:55:37 | * | scorche shrugs |
07:55:48 | Nimdae | does it do that ever time? |
07:55:51 | Nimdae | *every |
07:56:03 | Rocket220 | first time |
07:56:47 | Rocket220 | installed fine then just froze after going through my media |
07:57:09 | Nimdae | reboot it and see if it does it again |
07:57:21 | Nimdae | if it's a problem that keeps happening, try to find a way to reproduce it |
07:57:46 | Rocket220 | how do i reboot it? |
07:57:53 | Nimdae | i dunno on the h340 |
07:58:03 | Nimdae | might try reading the documentation |
07:58:16 | Coldtoast | if it's frozen, hit the reset button |
07:58:27 | scorche | i believe there is a hole in the back through which a paperclip can be used |
07:58:51 | Rocket220 | ok |
07:59:13 | Coldtoast | don't use a pin or anythign else sharply pointed tho |
07:59:42 | Rocket220 | seems to have worked |
07:59:45 | Rocket220 | loaded fine |
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08:00:13 | Rocket220 | seems fine now |
08:00:20 | Rocket220 | thanks for the help |
08:00:25 | Nimdae | np |
08:00:44 | Rocket220 | not sure what caused it to freeze will try and do it again incase its a bug |
08:01:19 | Nimdae | i've had rockbox go crazy on me before on the ipod, but it only happened once |
08:01:32 | Nimdae | of course, i've installed a few cvs updates since then too :P |
08:01:56 | Rocket220 | its pretty nice software |
08:02:26 | Coldtoast | crossfading and parametric EQ are worht it alone for my |
08:02:35 | Nimdae | it'd be kinda funny if some company commissions rockbox to be ported to their platform and then used on that product |
08:02:36 | Coldtoast | err.. my=me |
08:02:59 | Coldtoast | I'm willing to put up with shorter battery life on my ipod |
08:03:01 | * | Nimdae waits 10 seconds for his ipod to boot :P |
08:03:07 | Nimdae | you know |
08:03:15 | Nimdae | i've had the shorter battery life from the beginning |
08:03:28 | Nimdae | i bought this ipod used from a friend and the next day had rockbox on it :P |
08:03:38 | Coldtoast | buy a new battery |
08:03:41 | Coldtoast | hey're cheap |
08:03:46 | Nimdae | it doesn't need it |
08:03:50 | Nimdae | i get about 8 hours on rockbox |
08:03:51 | Coldtoast | like, $20 shipped |
08:04:05 | Coldtoast | you can buy larger capacity betteries tho |
08:04:05 | Nimdae | which from what i've read is pretty good |
08:04:12 | Nimdae | eh, no need |
08:04:14 | Nimdae | i might later |
08:04:14 | Rocket220 | thats what i need to do, replace it battery in this thing down to about 1hr of battery life |
08:04:15 | Coldtoast | 8hrs is TERRIBLE. heh |
08:04:24 | Coldtoast | I get ~27hrs on my h140. heh |
08:04:33 | Nimdae | well |
08:04:39 | Nimdae | the ipod hardware isn't completely figured out |
08:04:47 | Coldtoast | I have an ipod battery in it tho. 2200mAH one |
08:04:52 | Nimdae | it's notoriously bad compared to the life that the apple firmware gets |
08:05:14 | Nimdae | yeah, in the 30gb video ipod, it's only 400 mAH |
08:05:46 | Nimdae | i can get a 580 for it |
08:06:14 | Nimdae | 60/80 gb std battery is 600 mAh |
08:06:22 | hcs | can huge replacement batteries be expected not to explode? |
08:06:36 | Nimdae | no |
08:06:48 | Nimdae | modifying the hardware always carries inherent risk |
08:07:17 | Coldtoast | aaah yay. they've updated the bmp_resize and album_art patches |
08:07:26 | Nimdae | i'm kinda hoping to find a larger capacity drive for my ipod |
08:07:58 | Coldtoast | time to compile |
08:08:11 | Coldtoast | I just have a nano |
08:08:14 | Nimdae | i'm kinda keeping an eye on the coprocessor patch |
08:08:31 | Coldtoast | I quite like the nano |
08:08:42 | Nimdae | i want a nano for excercising |
08:08:56 | Nimdae | i'm happy with my video ipod though |
08:09:26 | Coldtoast | kind of a bummer the 2G was released 2 weeks after I bought mine. And the 8GB 2G is only $20 more than I paid for my 1G 4GB |
08:09:42 | Coldtoast | but you get that |
08:09:52 | Coldtoast | I like the look of the 1G much more anyway |
08:09:56 | scorche | but you would also be waiting a long time for rockbox |
08:10:05 | Coldtoast | tho... the black 2g looks VERY nic eindeed |
08:10:20 | Coldtoast | I'd wait to have the extra 4GB |
08:10:37 | scorche | i would just get a sansa if i wanted 8 gig |
08:10:49 | Nimdae | i might go for the 8gb 2g when rockbox is working on it |
08:10:52 | Coldtoast | why? I personally think they look horrible |
08:10:55 | Nimdae | notice i say when ;) |
08:11:03 | Coldtoast | the Sansa players are ugly |
08:11:10 | Coldtoast | I'm talking about the Sansa |
08:11:15 | scorche | i dont think they are that bad |
08:11:19 | Coldtoast | I do |
08:11:27 | Coldtoast | they look cheap to me |
08:11:35 | scorche | but also, it will get rockbox way before the nanos do =) |
08:11:49 | Coldtoast | obviously personal opinion |
08:12:05 | scorche | the looks part, yes |
08:12:28 | Coldtoast | the other reason I'm not so bummed I bought the 1G is the new 2g was put through the same drop test as the 1g was |
08:12:28 | Nimdae | heh |
08:12:32 | Coldtoast | did you see that? |
08:12:39 | scorche | i did |
08:12:44 | scorche | i love my nano |
08:12:46 | Nimdae | yeah, it didn't do so well apparently |
08:12:50 | scorche | and the fact that it was free =) |
08:12:59 | Coldtoast | the 1g took, like, 6 drops and the one that broke the screen was from 9ft |
08:13:09 | Coldtoast | the 2g, first drop and from 1.5ft |
08:13:20 | Nimdae | well, it's all in how it's ipmacted too |
08:13:23 | Nimdae | so it's not really fair |
08:13:34 | Coldtoast | they can't all be liek that tho. prolly just that particular one |
08:13:50 | Nimdae | the 1g probably could have survived the 9ft drop if it landed more gracefully, or failed a 1ft drop if it landed wrong |
08:14:19 | Nimdae | i would only put stock in thoses tests if they go through more than one device of that model |
08:14:25 | Coldtoast | hmm? the 1.5 ft drop, he took it jogging and it fell, was stopped by the earphone cable, detached then completed the fall from 1.5ft onto the road |
08:14:29 | Nimdae | i trust averages more |
08:14:33 | Coldtoast | the 1g was 9ft onto road |
08:14:41 | Nimdae | right |
08:14:50 | Nimdae | but the impact itself makes the difference |
08:15:02 | scorche | i would trust it more if a machine was used to drop the device to ensure they are dropped the exact same |
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08:15:16 | Nimdae | like i said, if the 1g took a less graceful impact at a shorter drop, it might have broken too |
08:15:20 | Coldtoast | well, that's not exactly what I'd class as real-life testing tho |
08:15:22 | hcs | I recall zip disk tests boasting of throwing them out the window of a car on a highway |
08:15:34 | Nimdae | lol |
08:15:38 | hcs | yet the drive itself would destroy them |
08:15:52 | scorche | hcs: well, they dont have a fragile screen =) |
08:15:52 | Coldtoast | some guy testing it by taking it while he jogged and then having it drop as it would in a real life situation, there's value in that too |
08:15:54 | Nimdae | i need more pictures of the sansa |
08:16:12 | Nimdae | Coldtoast: sure, but i trust averages more |
08:16:29 | Nimdae | if he had taken 5 2gs and did that kind of test with each of them, i would trust those test results |
08:16:34 | Coldtoast | the other test he did, the 2g fared better tho |
08:16:51 | Coldtoast | where he dumped the new nano into a back with his keys and carried it around for a day |
08:17:01 | scorche | Nimdae: of course...it is violating the scientific method and all the way he did it =) |
08:17:10 | scorche | you have to have multiple tests and a control |
08:17:15 | Nimdae | right |
08:17:16 | Coldtoast | at the end, the body had a few scratches on it but the screen was unmarked. the 1g didn't do so well that |
08:17:20 | Coldtoast | err.. there |
08:18:08 | Coldtoast | the longer battery life on teh 2g is another thing I'd have liked |
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08:19:00 | Coldtoast | so the tossup would be; better looking+rockbox vs longer battery+more space |
08:19:07 | Nimdae | eh, i think the sansa looks alright |
08:19:22 | Coldtoast | I'd pick the second becuase it'll eventually be longer battery+more space+rockbox |
08:19:49 | Coldtoast | plus the sound quality of the new 2g is supposedly slightly better and the screen is noticably sharper and brighter |
08:20:14 | Nimdae | yeah, the screens on the 5.5g video ipods are supposedly sharper and brighter too |
08:20:18 | Coldtoast | but oh well. the fact is I don't have the 2g. heh |
08:20:24 | Nimdae | all i have to say to that is meh |
08:20:38 | Coldtoast | meh? |
08:20:41 | Nimdae | i honestly didn't get an ipod for video anyway |
08:21:00 | Coldtoast | it's an ipod with video. screen quality is KINDA important when it supports video |
08:21:08 | Nimdae | i don't care for sharper and brighter, to be honest, because i thought it looked good already |
08:21:23 | Nimdae | i watched video on my ipod and imo it looks good |
08:21:29 | Coldtoast | btw, it's not a video ipod. it's an ipod with video |
08:21:42 | Nimdae | i understand |
08:21:46 | Coldtoast | Apple want to make a distinction between the 2 |
08:21:58 | Coldtoast | it's pretty silly tho |
08:22:21 | Nimdae | well, it's like the usb group wanted there to be a distinction between usb 2.0 and hi-speed usb |
08:22:26 | hcs | they also don't want you to say "an iPod" |
08:22:32 | hcs | just iPod |
08:22:41 | Coldtoast | personally, I don't think the screen is big enough for me. And it's not widescreen anyway |
08:22:42 | hcs | like it was some person's name |
08:23:06 | Nimdae | well apple can blow me, i'll always refer to it as "an ipod" |
08:23:10 | Nimdae | and my ipod just skipped, wtf |
08:23:17 | Coldtoast | if I buy a portable device for video, it has to be widescreen |
08:23:54 | Nimdae | like what the 6g is rumored to be? |
08:23:55 | Nimdae | heh |
08:23:55 | Coldtoast | the only non-widescreen thing I own is a DS Lite |
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08:24:35 | LinusN | ehum, USB 2.0 is not the same thing as hi-speed USB |
08:24:52 | Nimdae | LinusN: i know |
08:25:00 | Coldtoast | you have 2 flavours of USB2.0; 12Mb and 480Mb |
08:25:17 | Coldtoast | you have Hi Speed USB2 and Full Speed USB2 |
08:25:19 | LinusN | the usb 2.0 standard happens to include hi-speed |
08:25:30 | Coldtoast | yep |
08:25:36 | Nimdae | why do you focus on my comment rather than the analogy? sheesh |
08:26:54 | Coldtoast | cos your analogy contained ambiguous information? |
08:27:00 | * | Nimdae circumvents wma drm using microsoft's own tools |
08:27:26 | Nimdae | forget the analogy then |
08:29:21 | Coldtoast | hmm. which company was it who recent;y developed a phone with 10Mp camera? |
08:30:13 | Nimdae | i dunno but that's absurd |
08:31:52 | BHSPitLappy | lol wow |
08:32:02 | Coldtoast | aaah. Samsung |
08:32:10 | BHSPitLappy | I thought the 1.3MP camera phone I've had my eye on was impressive |
08:32:28 | BHSPitLappy | Nimdae, properly put. |
08:32:58 | Coldtoast | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/live-from-cebit-samsungs-sch-b600-10-megapixel-cameraphone/ there it is |
08:33:01 | BHSPitLappy | anyone who takes their career seriously enough to require a 10MP camera, sure as hell won't be investing in a camera phone |
08:33:15 | BHSPitLappy | what a gimmick |
08:33:23 | Nimdae | well, you also have to consider space |
08:33:24 | Coldtoast | hmm? a 10Mp camera's not that expensive |
08:33:39 | Coldtoast | unless you're talking DSLR |
08:33:47 | Coldtoast | even then, the new Canon 400d is pretty affordable |
08:33:58 | Nimdae | i would hope the camera has a sd slot (or similar) and supports the multi-gigabyte cards |
08:34:05 | Coldtoast | sure, it's not full-frame but still great |
08:34:51 | * | BHSPitLappy wants to find a decent digital camera, under 200 bucks |
08:34:54 | Coldtoast | even if that phone could act as a USB Host, that's be cool. If it had no mem slot |
08:35:18 | Coldtoast | heh. you can have my V3 :) |
08:35:32 | Coldtoast | I couldn't give a crap about having a camera in my phone |
08:35:44 | Nimdae | me neither |
08:35:53 | Nimdae | in fact, every day i take my phone to work i violate company policy ;) |
08:36:00 | Nimdae | simply because it's a camera phone |
08:36:05 | Nimdae | but shh |
08:36:06 | Coldtoast | I'm 33. I just want a phone with good battery life than can make calls and send SMS |
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08:36:17 | LinusN | Coldtoast: amen to that |
08:36:33 | LinusN | i have a nokia 8310 :-) |
08:36:53 | Nimdae | actually i saw a good phone on my provider that i wanted that didn't have a camera in it, had the high speed 3g support and bluetooth |
08:37:01 | Nimdae | it was a samsung |
08:37:24 | Coldtoast | not interested in 3g personally |
08:37:51 | Nimdae | well, i want to build a car computer with internet connectivity and i thought of using the phone for that connectivity |
08:37:58 | Coldtoast | why the hell would I want to stream TV? And one of the nice things is NOT having to see people's ugly mugs when you call em |
08:37:58 | Nimdae | (read: i'm a geek) |
08:38:12 | Nimdae | i don't care for the video and audio streaming |
08:38:16 | Nimdae | i just want the high speed :P |
08:38:39 | Coldtoast | you don't need to bothe rwith a phone at all if you want on-the-go wifi |
08:39:20 | Coldtoast | one of my friend's girlfriend has a wifi adapter from her phone provider that she just plugs into her laptop and she has wifi anywhere |
08:39:56 | scorche | evdo is nice too |
08:39:58 | Coldtoast | it'd be using 3G I'd imagine. But she has no need for a phone, just the adapter |
08:40:10 | Coldtoast | dunno. never looked into all that |
08:40:26 | scorche | a bit pricier, but fast |
08:40:37 | Nimdae | well, the problem with using the internet plans is you pay a buttload for it |
08:40:42 | Nimdae | like $60+ a month |
08:40:45 | Coldtoast | once they intall the ADSL2+ gear into the DSLAMs here, I'll have to ditch my wifi :/ |
08:40:52 | Coldtoast | if I want solid 24Mbit |
08:41:04 | Nimdae | whereas if you use a phone access plan (where you use the internet on your phone), you can use the phone as a makeshift modem |
08:41:09 | Coldtoast | cos I probably average around 18Mb on my 802.11G |
08:41:23 | Bagder | get a draft-802.11n box ;-) |
08:41:31 | Coldtoast | yeah |
08:41:40 | Coldtoast | that's goign to be expensive tho |
08:41:45 | Bagder | not really |
08:41:52 | Bagder | they're already here |
08:41:59 | Coldtoast | even the cards alone here are something like $180AUD |
08:42:21 | Bagder | but then, you should check your actual speed first |
08:42:31 | Bagder | I have "24mbit" |
08:42:36 | Coldtoast | I'll get close to the full 24mbit |
08:42:41 | Bagder | ok |
08:42:45 | Coldtoast | cos I'm about 150m from the exchange |
08:43:01 | scorche | ugh...stupid US telcos... |
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08:43:14 | scorche | we should have had these speeds years ago... |
08:43:24 | Coldtoast | what speed do you get on average Bagder? |
08:43:30 | Bagder | ~15 |
08:43:34 | scorche | and then i look at the speed/price in, say, japan |
08:43:48 | Coldtoast | doesn't that suck? paying for 24Mb and getting ~15 |
08:44:05 | Bagder | well, 24 is about the same price as 8 |
08:44:08 | Bagder | so not really |
08:44:12 | Coldtoast | ok |
08:44:15 | Bagder | and I knew it when I got it |
08:44:21 | Bagder | I'm some 1600 meters away |
08:44:44 | Coldtoast | check this out tho... I have 1500/256 now and 24Mbit is the bloody same price |
08:44:51 | Coldtoast | same cap tho (40GB) |
08:45:04 | Bagder | no cap here |
08:45:21 | Coldtoast | do they throttle you after a certain point tho? |
08:45:27 | Bagder | nope |
08:45:38 | Coldtoast | that's all they do here. I think they drop it to 64kbit. heh |
08:45:50 | Bagder | but then I'd never be even close to any extreme amounts |
08:45:53 | Nimdae | i have 3000/256 and no cap |
08:46:06 | Nimdae | at least no cap to my knowledge |
08:46:07 | Nimdae | but it's cable, not dsl |
08:46:12 | Bagder | uptime |
08:46:12 | Bagder | 08:46:04 up 27 days, 9:48, 7 users, load average: 0.47, 0.38, 0.25 |
08:46:16 | Bagder | RX bytes:300892467 (286.9 MiB) TX bytes:1341886817 (1.2 GiB) |
08:46:20 | Bagder | haha |
08:46:31 | Coldtoast | yeah. this month has been a BIG download month for me (what with RC1 and RC2 of Vista) and I've still not even cracked 20GB |
08:46:39 | Nimdae | i got you beat on uptime :P |
08:46:42 | Coldtoast | aaaaah. cable |
08:46:51 | Nimdae | wait, your tx is higher than rx? |
08:47:09 | Bagder | yeah, I wonder why |
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08:47:23 | Nimdae | that's unusual, heh |
08:47:26 | Coldtoast | are you part of the compile farm for rb Bagder? |
08:47:34 | Bagder | not this host, no |
08:47:40 | Coldtoast | ok |
08:47:41 | LinusN | bittorrent seeding? |
08:47:47 | Bagder | nopes |
08:47:47 | Coldtoast | cos that would have explained it a bit. heh |
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08:48:04 | Bagder | just normal uploads of stuff |
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08:48:10 | Bagder | coffee time! |
08:48:12 | LinusN | spaming! |
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08:49:13 | Coldtoast | man. looking at this 10Mp cameraphone.... |
08:49:19 | Nimdae | 1:48am up 48 days 16:35, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
08:49:20 | Nimdae | RX bytes:978526008 (933.1 Mb) TX bytes:4091870733 (3902.3 Mb) |
08:49:27 | Coldtoast | I can CLEARLY remember the day I thoguht "Wow! The world is changing!" |
08:49:27 | Nimdae | hah, my tx is higher too |
08:49:31 | LinusN | Coldtoast: or is it a phonecamera? |
08:49:42 | Coldtoast | heh |
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08:49:55 | Coldtoast | it was, like, 3am and I was walkign through town. About 80 years ago |
08:50:12 | Coldtoast | and somebody stops me on teh street and says "Do you have a mobile phone I can borrow for a sec?" |
08:50:24 | Coldtoast | it used to be "Hey buddy. Got a smoke?" |
08:51:04 | LinusN | yeah, and they return the phone just as often as the smoke :-) |
08:51:11 | Coldtoast | heh |
08:51:22 | Coldtoast | I hardly know anybody who wears a watch any more either |
08:51:30 | LinusN | i do |
08:51:38 | Nimdae | i do |
08:51:39 | aliask | I can't be bothered pulling my phone out just to check the time. |
08:51:40 | LinusN | but then i'm old ;-) |
08:51:42 | Nimdae | i feel odd without a watch |
08:51:57 | Coldtoast | older than me LinusN? |
08:52:02 | LinusN | yes |
08:52:09 | Coldtoast | well, I work in nightclubs so.... |
08:52:35 | Nimdae | i bet linus witnessed the big bang >.> |
08:52:35 | Coldtoast | guess what the most popular phone I see at work is.... |
08:52:46 | aliask | v3 |
08:53:00 | aliask | stupid thing is everywhere. |
08:53:02 | Coldtoast | aliahk: you win |
08:53:06 | Coldtoast | yep |
08:53:11 | LinusN | what is a v3? |
08:53:16 | Nimdae | motorola |
08:53:17 | Coldtoast | I'd say maybe 20% have them here? |
08:53:18 | aliask | Motorola V3 |
08:53:19 | Nimdae | razr |
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08:53:38 | aliask | http://www.first-handyshop.de/handy/Motorola/V3/motorola-v3-1.jpg |
08:53:48 | Coldtoast | it's not even a great phone |
08:53:52 | Coldtoast | I have one too |
08:54:03 | aliask | From my experience it's a terrible phone. |
08:54:06 | Coldtoast | and I dislike iTap. T9 is better for me |
08:54:21 | aliask | Form over function nowdays. |
08:54:25 | Coldtoast | the gui is slow, typing messages is slow (I can be 2 words ahead of the phone) |
08:54:40 | Coldtoast | and battery life is just ok |
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08:54:55 | Nimdae | mahna mahna |
08:54:58 | Coldtoast | plus it's too wide, even tho it's nice and thin |
08:55:09 | LinusN | i don't like phones that fold |
08:55:19 | Nimdae | i do |
08:55:23 | Nimdae | but i don't like the razr |
08:55:39 | Coldtoast | also, that etched keypad isn't as nice to use as it looks. in fact, it's a pain when you have nails |
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08:55:52 | petur | great... the first thing I read this morning is 'mahna mahna' - there goes that song again |
08:55:56 | Coldtoast | there's completely no feedback fromthe keys |
08:55:58 | aliask | Like I said, most things now days are form over function. |
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08:56:05 | Nimdae | petur: you love me and you know it |
08:56:09 | LinusN | petur: seek help :-) |
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08:56:21 | scorche | do dooo do do do |
08:56:27 | scorche | do do do do |
08:56:39 | aliask | scorche: Oh I know that song. |
08:56:44 | petur | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevYBsShxNs |
08:56:57 | aliask | Oh no! Youtube links in #rockbox - what next? |
08:57:29 | Nimdae | aliask: do a whois on pimpinwithmuppets.com ;) |
08:57:34 | Nimdae | (that's my domain btw) |
08:57:46 | * | petur should never have done that |
08:58:56 | aliask | Good to see you keep your records nice and accurate. |
08:59:18 | Nimdae | actually, i didn't set that info, registrar did |
08:59:57 | Nimdae | i found out it was there when petur pointed it out |
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09:00:12 | Nimdae | i dunno if my other domains are like that |
09:00:12 | aliask | Interesting |
09:00:47 | Nimdae | actually, right now i can only remember 2 of my domains... |
09:00:49 | Nimdae | i have like 4 |
09:01:46 | Nimdae | interesting, ssholes.net at least has my name |
09:02:38 | Nimdae | pimpinwithmuppets.com is the only one that doesn't |
09:02:50 | aliask | Might have something to do with the name ;) |
09:03:29 | Nimdae | well the registrant is correct |
09:03:36 | Nimdae | it should be mahna mahna |
09:03:58 | petur | http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=ssholes.net <−− gives Mahna Mahna as registrant |
09:03:59 | Nimdae | that is my company name with the company i buy domains from (which is hte company i work for) |
09:04:12 | Nimdae | however, "master user" is incorrect |
09:04:42 | Nimdae | notice ssholes.net has my name instead of "master user" |
09:05:18 | petur | I see no difference (not that it mathers to me) |
09:05:38 | Nimdae | contacts |
09:05:43 | * | petur returns to minding his own business/code |
09:06:34 | * | aliask continues procrastinating over exams and browses youtube |
09:07:42 | * | Nimdae looks for sex |
09:08:08 | aliask | Because #rockbox is where it's at. |
09:12:25 | Coldtoast | heh. I just read "ssholes.net" as "assholes.net" |
09:12:48 | scorche | heh...i thought that was the purpose |
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09:24:08 | Nimdae | Coldtoast: think of the email addresses >.> |
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09:24:25 | Nimdae | nimdae.of.the@assholes.net |
09:24:29 | Coldtoast | heh |
09:24:35 | Nimdae | nimdae.of.the@ssholes.net |
09:24:39 | Nimdae | i totally blew that |
09:24:46 | Coldtoast | well.. nimdae@ssholes.net isn't any better |
09:24:51 | Coldtoast | in fact, it's WORSE |
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09:25:04 | Nimdae | nimdaes.four@ssholes.net |
09:25:37 | Coldtoast | our.country.is.run.by@ssholes.net |
09:27:23 | Nimdae | yes! |
09:27:37 | Nimdae | rockbox.is.full.of@ssholes.net |
09:28:10 | petur | tsk tsk tsk |
09:28:15 | Nimdae | :P |
09:28:22 | Nimdae | well, there's at least one asshole here |
09:28:23 | Nimdae | me |
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09:50:27 | MarkusGritsch | Hi |
09:51:17 | MarkusGritsch | I have made an edited version of BlackGlass for the iPod Nano. A screenshot can be seen here: http://www.xile.org/~markus/screenshot.png |
09:52:38 | BHSPitLappy | nice |
09:53:37 | BHSPitLappy | regardless of how much I hate the operating system, I'm still allowed to like vista's visual schemes, right? |
09:53:45 | BHSPitLappy | that's not GNU Adultery, is it? |
09:54:23 | * | scorche love the "visual scheme" of a terminal |
09:54:45 | Bagder | nooo, maaaaany terminals |
09:55:36 | scorche | ;) |
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09:58:32 | BHSPitLappy | iiiiit's streeeetchy voooooweeeeel daaaaaay! |
09:59:02 | scorche | not in this channel ;) |
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10:00:29 | MarkusGritsch | Can someone with Wiki write permissions add it to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano please? The ZIP is temporarily available at http://www.xile.org/~markus/BlackGlassMGr.zip |
10:00:56 | myzar | only if you give Bagder a big sloppy kiss |
10:01:00 | myzar | and perhaps a hefty donation |
10:01:02 | myzar | ;-) |
10:01:31 | petur | MarkusGritsch: get wiki access yourself: register and give us youre wiki name |
10:01:46 | MarkusGritsch | *kiss* :) |
10:01:58 | petur | yuck |
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10:08:32 | MarkusGritsch | My Wiki name is MarkusGritsch |
10:09:09 | petur | done |
10:09:29 | petur | now go and contribute ;) |
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10:15:07 | MarkusGritsch | contributed :) |
10:15:11 | MarkusGritsch | bye |
10:15:22 | BHSPitLappy | btwad |
10:16:21 | hcs | bah, couldn't sleep, had to work on rockbox... |
10:17:38 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
10:17:48 | * | BHSPitLappy can't pay attention to rockbox any longer... must sleep |
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10:30:31 | petur | preglow? |
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11:04:11 | ssstormy | hello, my ipod is going through cycles of lag and normal playback due to disk spinup. seems like it's only buffering 10 seconds of music! |
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11:04:59 | LinusN | have you tried to reset the settings? |
11:06:39 | ssstormy | didnt' hlep |
11:07:20 | scorche | are you using an official build? |
11:07:46 | ssstormy | latest build from the site |
11:09:03 | Nimdae | ssstormy: are you using the eq? |
11:09:23 | scorche | Nimdae: that would have been reset with the settings |
11:10:16 | pondlife | ssstormy: If you look in Info > Debug > View Audio Thread, what does track count say? |
11:10:32 | Nimdae | well, i noticed with eq enabled, it runs horribly |
11:10:35 | Nimdae | so i thought i'd ask |
11:10:57 | Nimdae | not the hardware eq, but the normal eq |
11:11:05 | pondlife | EQ would use CPU and cause breakup, but not disk spinup. |
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11:12:06 | Nimdae | it causes disk usage because it doesn't have enough power to fill the buffer |
11:12:19 | Nimdae | i watched the audio thread info ;) |
11:12:24 | pondlife | Urgh, that would be bad... |
11:12:34 | pondlife | Lucky I don't have an iPod ;) |
11:12:46 | ssstormy | lucky? |
11:12:46 | Nimdae | the hardware eq works fine |
11:12:50 | Bagder | enough power to fill the buffer? |
11:13:15 | Nimdae | yeah, it stays at 75 mhz and struggles to fill the codec and pcm buffers |
11:13:18 | Bagder | ah, you mean the compressed audio buffer |
11:13:49 | ssstormy | 75mhz is the peak of it's regular performance |
11:13:55 | ssstormy | why does it have to compress it? |
11:13:57 | Bagder | so yeah, if you run out of cpu it'll of course lag behind in all sorts of ways |
11:14:04 | Bagder | ssstormy: ? |
11:14:10 | Bagder | ssstormy: music is compressed you know |
11:14:13 | Nimdae | ssstormy: it has to decompress it |
11:14:17 | ssstormy | the RAM is 32MB, that can still fit a few mp3's |
11:14:26 | ssstormy | and then decompress on access |
11:14:30 | ssstormy | instead of on load to ram |
11:14:39 | Bagder | hah |
11:14:46 | Bagder | now how would it load if not to ram? |
11:15:21 | Bagder | it seems you draw conclusions that aren't really correct |
11:15:59 | ssstormy | huh? |
11:16:01 | pondlife | The codec buffer (the big one) is compressed data. The decompression only happens when needed for playback. |
11:16:18 | pondlife | codec buffer -> codec -> pcm buffer |
11:16:24 | ssstormy | no what I meant was decompress when it plays the music instead of decompress when it moves it to RAM |
11:16:29 | pondlife | It does |
11:16:34 | ssstormy | oh ok |
11:16:34 | Bagder | ssstormy: yes, that's what it does |
11:16:40 | ssstormy | hmm what happens with mine |
11:16:51 | ssstormy | the PCM jumps, then falls, jumps, then falls |
11:16:57 | ssstormy | each time falling further than it jumps |
11:17:00 | ssstormy | until it hits empty |
11:17:01 | pondlife | That's to be expected. |
11:17:04 | ssstormy | disk spinup time |
11:17:11 | pondlife | The codec buffer is the disk one. |
11:17:18 | pondlife | What is that doing? |
11:17:29 | ssstormy | slowly diminishing |
11:17:34 | pondlife | Correct |
11:17:48 | pondlife | It only needs to spinup to fill that when it gets nearly empty |
11:17:56 | ssstormy | so the problem is that it can't fill PCM fast enough |
11:18:05 | ssstormy | and for some reason spins up the disk when it refills the PCM |
11:18:07 | pondlife | True, but that won't cause disk spinup. |
11:18:15 | pondlife | Hmm, what WPS are you using? |
11:18:21 | ssstormy | I have no idea |
11:18:29 | ssstormy | just installed today |
11:18:34 | pondlife | OK |
11:19:56 | pondlife | You should be having music stop/starts, but no disk spinup in that state. |
11:20:09 | pondlife | What music format? |
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11:20:54 | pondlife | Also - what do you see if you go into Info > Debug > View tagcache info ? |
11:21:44 | pondlife | The disk access may be due to something else, although with default settings I'm not sure what! |
11:22:41 | dan_a | I see skips at the same time as disk accesses too. |
11:22:49 | dan_a | ssstormy: Which model of iPod? |
11:23:23 | pondlife | The skips might well happen, the question is why the disk access..? |
11:24:14 | ssstormy | 3g |
11:24:29 | ssstormy | mp3, cbr 128kbps |
11:24:37 | Bagder | ah, 3g |
11:25:02 | pondlife | Hmm, cbr mp3 should be about as good as it gets. |
11:25:29 | Bagder | yeah, but 3g is probably the worst Rockbox performance |
11:25:51 | pondlife | Still shouldn't be accessing the disk... |
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11:25:56 | dan_a | So the disk accesses perhaps wouldn't be expected? I'll add that to my list of things to investigate |
11:26:20 | pondlife | Well, there are lots of things that could be doing it... Buffer fill, Tagcache.... |
11:26:32 | Bagder | ... switching codec |
11:26:36 | pondlife | Yep |
11:26:57 | pondlife | But if all the same format, then it shouldn't be doing that. |
11:27:02 | dan_a | It wouldn't switch codec several times during one song, would it? |
11:28:01 | Bagder | hehe, no |
11:28:08 | pondlife | I can't think why it would need to do that. Voice is MP3 too of course. |
11:28:13 | Bagder | unless you voice it |
11:28:28 | Slasheri | dan_a: you can check from debug menu -> view cpu stack to check what threads are active (accesses disk) |
11:28:30 | ssstormy | didn't have voice |
11:28:47 | ssstormy | well I gotta go to sleep guys |
11:28:56 | ssstormy | don't sweat this problem too much |
11:29:22 | ssstormy | similar issues with ipodlinux on 3g, and it was only recently that rockbox actualyl supported 3g at all |
11:29:31 | ssstormy | thanks for your input |
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11:30:20 | * | pondlife loves it when a problem is reported, but no diagnosis can be completed. |
11:30:25 | dan_a | I'll check what's happening when I get home. If it's a bug, solving it should give a free performance gain. |
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11:30:49 | dan_a | At least it can be reproduced. |
11:31:06 | pondlife | I still need to update my H340 with yesterday's buffering updates. |
11:35:15 | pondlife | LinusN: H300 bootloader question - do you know why it's not possible to turn on with the H300 non-LCD remote without it thinking that hold is on? |
11:35:51 | LinusN | yes |
11:35:58 | pondlife | OK, I won't look into it then ;) |
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11:37:02 | LinusN | the hold switch in the non-lcd remote works differently |
11:37:25 | LinusN | it is not connected to the hold-switch pin in the connector, but instead grounds the analog signal |
11:37:44 | LinusN | and the current bootloader does not handle this |
11:37:49 | LinusN | yet |
11:37:58 | * | LinusN goes to lunch |
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12:03:05 | Larsie | lo |
12:03:40 | Larsie | hehe the irc statistics are funny |
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12:04:38 | Larsie | when will the Sansa e200 series be added to the daily build section? |
12:04:51 | scorche | when it is ready to be |
12:04:52 | preglow | when it's working |
12:04:58 | Larsie | hehe |
12:05:00 | preglow | which might be quite a little while to |
12:05:05 | preglow | also, it might not |
12:05:13 | preglow | depends how diligent the porters are |
12:05:13 | Larsie | that wasn't the case with the H300's |
12:05:48 | Larsie | it was on long before the lcd was even working |
12:05:51 | Larsie | :P |
12:06:59 | Larsie | I want to test the sansa build but I'm not at home :P |
12:07:30 | scorche | the only thing to test is in the sim |
12:07:37 | Larsie | I hate working with windows, which I have to do right now :P |
12:08:12 | Larsie | brb |
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12:11:30 | Bagder | the bootloader can be tested in fact |
12:11:36 | Bagder | not that it loads rockbox ;-) |
12:11:51 | lex | oh my god |
12:11:59 | lex | this video is so much smaller than that photo i had |
12:12:29 | scorche | Bagder: if you consider watching a light flash that many other people have watched as well, testing ;) |
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12:13:02 | Bagder | you get to see YOUR scroll wheel flash! ;-) |
12:13:05 | barrywardell | Bagder: what do you think about committing the changes to get the Sansa sim working? |
12:13:14 | Bagder | barrywardell: sounds like a good idea to me |
12:13:15 | barrywardell | lots of the plugins need adjusting |
12:14:04 | barrywardell | I just need a ui bitmap of the sansa. The one in the provided file was just one I found on the sandisk site |
12:14:19 | barrywardell | probably not a good idea adding it to rockbox? |
12:15:27 | Bagder | right, we should ask for a scan by someone so that we have the proper rights to use the pic |
12:17:30 | barrywardell | i don't have a sansa...yet |
12:18:11 | amiconn | Bagder: What's the LCD resolution of the sansa? |
12:18:17 | Bagder | 220x176 iirc |
12:18:30 | Bagder | same as h300 but rotated 90 degrees |
12:18:35 | amiconn | Hmm, then some plugin gfx are already adjusted |
12:18:44 | amiconn | They just need button assignment |
12:18:45 | amiconn | s |
12:19:06 | JdGordon | and on that note... any ideas how to move the actions to plugins in a sane way? |
12:21:17 | barrywardell | amiconn: there are button assignments done for a lot of the plugins, but they need some testing |
12:23:33 | * | Bagder notices that febs has passed him on the "top 10 posters" list! |
12:23:49 | JdGordon | time to spam there then! |
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12:25:12 | scorche | Bagder: heh...do you still have your notification on the word "spam"? |
12:25:45 | Bagder | that notification is done purely by my brain |
12:26:00 | scorche | haha |
12:26:03 | scorche | if you say so |
12:26:11 | scorche | spamy spam spam |
12:30:55 | lex | haha |
12:30:59 | lex | i have at least 2 dead pixels :) |
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12:31:13 | scorche | i wouldnt be laughing at that |
12:31:20 | scorche | quite sad really.. |
12:31:25 | lex | hmm 4 |
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12:31:35 | lex | luckily they're not at the center |
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12:42:06 | lex | do you know does those dead pixel fixers really work? :o |
12:42:30 | scorche | what dead pixel fixers? |
12:42:37 | lex | http://www.psp-vault.com/Article168.psp like that |
12:43:04 | lex | i have nothing to lose, so i'll try |
12:43:54 | scorche | well, is it a dead pixel, a hot pixel, or a stuck pixel? |
12:44:17 | lex | hmm :p |
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12:44:47 | lex | i guess that the other is a stuck, it blinks as red and green i guess |
12:44:52 | lex | if it means that |
12:45:22 | JdGordon | is that article one of those that say to give the pixel a nice sponge bath and massage? |
12:45:55 | lex | stuck and hot is the same? :o |
12:46:17 | scorche | color is stuck |
12:46:19 | scorche | white is hot |
12:46:54 | lex | i need to take another look for it after itunes has completed syncing |
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12:50:54 | markun | JdGordon: a guy here at work fixed a dead pixel of one of the LCDs by massaging the display. Couldn't believe it at first. |
12:51:11 | JdGordon | they always come back... |
12:51:14 | scorche | yeah |
12:51:19 | scorche | it is only temp |
12:51:22 | breez | any fellow rockbox wiki users alive? |
12:51:27 | scorche | tapping can profuce the same effect |
12:51:45 | * | JdGordon has actually never had any experience with dead pixels so is talking out of his ass |
12:51:54 | breez | requesting wiki editing rights |
12:52:12 | JdGordon | well.. we need your wiki name |
12:52:14 | Coldtoast | I know how to permanently fix a dodgy pixel |
12:52:15 | breez | going to add a battery benchmark from my unit |
12:52:22 | breez | JdGordon: sure, it is LauriMela |
12:52:24 | JdGordon | and a 3000 word thesis on what you wish to contribute |
12:52:24 | Coldtoast | this works if it's hot, stuck or dead |
12:52:32 | breez | ;) |
12:52:36 | Coldtoast | put a pic up on the screen that you like |
12:52:41 | scorche | Coldtoast: return the unit and get a new one? |
12:52:49 | Coldtoast | nah |
12:52:54 | JdGordon | breez: :) usually denotes a repsonce to a joke.... |
12:52:57 | Coldtoast | you put a pic up on the screen you like |
12:53:34 | JdGordon | breez: done, have fun |
12:53:41 | breez | JdGordon: thanks |
12:53:42 | markun | JdGordon: I just asked him. It was about 2 months ago and it still didn't come back. So even if it's only for a while it's still nice. |
12:53:42 | Coldtoast | then get one of those paint markers the colour of the pixels surrounding the buggered one and colour in where the dud pixel is |
12:53:55 | JdGordon | markun: tell him he just jinxed it :D |
12:54:01 | markun | :) |
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13:05:10 | bluechip | Hi. Is anybody able to explain (roughly) how a plugin makes calls to, for example, plot() within the simulator - maybe just point me at the appropriate source files? |
13:05:53 | Bagder | bluechip: the plugin is loaded and gets a pointer to the plugin struct, and calls functions in Rockbox using function pointers in that struct |
13:06:14 | JdGordon | apps/plugin.h |
13:06:33 | bluechip | How is it ensured that the plugin is in executable memory |
13:06:48 | Bagder | all ram is executable |
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13:07:09 | Bagder | in the sim, it is loaded as a shared lib |
13:08:45 | bluechip | are you able to point me at the source which does this please? |
13:09:08 | Bagder | apps/plugin.c:sim_plugin_load() |
13:09:17 | bluechip | thanks :) |
13:10:39 | Bagder | ah, that function is actually in uisimulator/common/io.c |
13:11:16 | luckz | obo: rockscrobbler.pl is evil in that it deletes your log when it is unable to submit stuff |
13:11:41 | obo | luckz: then hack the script :) |
13:12:05 | luckz | I'm just back to not scrobbling without a backup of my log |
13:12:19 | * | scorche spies Slasheri active in the forums |
13:13:03 | obo | luckz: strictly speaking it should be deleting the entire file, and not leaving the headers... |
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13:33:24 | fanooo | hello |
13:34:40 | fanooo | is there a way to get builds for iriver H120/140 from several months ago? |
13:35:31 | petur | cvs checkout and build yourself |
13:36:03 | petur | you can pass a date when checking out |
13:36:52 | petur | Bagder: maybe an idea for the old daily builds: after 1 month old, keep one of each week or even month? |
13:37:15 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h120 only stores one month |
13:37:17 | Bagder | yes, that's a good idea |
13:37:24 | fanooo | ok |
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13:37:56 | fanooo | I assume the current versions (from back one month) are not supposed to be broken entirely on H120? |
13:38:28 | JazzBone | YyfAissa |
13:38:34 | JazzBone | oops :) |
13:38:43 | JazzBone | wrong window... |
13:38:47 | amiconn | It is possible to build arbitrarily old versions from cvs... |
13:39:13 | fanooo | I'm on it |
13:39:46 | fanooo | just stroke me odd that none of the current ones work :) |
13:40:03 | Bagder | then the old ones probably won't work either |
13:40:34 | fanooo | one from may did |
13:40:34 | Slasheri | fanooo: what is the problem? |
13:41:37 | fanooo | mp3/ogg does not play, could not check other formats. the only output I get is crackling every now and then. and the counter is moving too fast, like 8 seconds in 1 second |
13:41:57 | fanooo | I did a fsck, that corrected some errors, but didnt resolve it. |
13:42:01 | pondlife | fanooo: Did you try clearing your settings? |
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13:42:14 | fanooo | not yet, will do |
13:43:24 | Slasheri | fanooo: remove .rockbox directory and rockbox.iriver and do a fresh install |
13:43:33 | pondlife | And clear settings too |
13:43:36 | Slasheri | could be a filesystem problem or codecs not updated |
13:44:03 | fanooo | ok, clearing the settings did not resolve it |
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13:50:56 | fanooo | ignore me :) I seem to have forgotten to copy .rockbox every time I tried |
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13:54:32 | fanooo | thanks for the push in the right direction. have a nice day. bye. |
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14:11:34 | Moos | lostlogic: around ? |
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14:35:24 | lostlogic | Moos: yah, what's up? |
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14:37:41 | Moos | lostlogic: hi, that was about the playback, don't know if you know current bugs I didn't read all logs |
14:39:25 | Moos | I noticed that you commited one fix for delaying bug when skipping, here I haven't that bug with version before that commit, but now I have |
14:39:38 | Moos | maybe is crossfade relative |
14:40:00 | Moos | cause know you broken the always crossfade when skipping thing :) |
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14:41:12 | Moos | don't know if you're aware of this |
14:42:16 | Moos | lostlogic: ping ? |
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14:48:03 | lostlogic | Moos: not aware of it |
14:48:35 | lostlogic | Moos: can you describe the new problem in more detail and/or open a detailed flyspray task about it? |
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14:50:04 | Moos | yeah |
14:50:49 | Moos | before your last change, crossfader always crossfaded even if the buffer needed to refill |
14:51:57 | Moos | but now, when it need to rebefer, there is one annoying delay for skip to next track, and it will not be crossfaded |
14:52:34 | lostlogic | this changed with my most recent change? |
14:53:00 | lostlogic | That change _only_ impacted rebuffer and seek behavior, nothing else. |
14:54:08 | Moos | yeah last changes the last commit or the previous one, no more, and I can unfortunatly say you crossfade is now broken when rebeferring |
14:54:30 | Moos | long delay for skip+no fading |
14:54:54 | lostlogic | and this happens regardless of whether you've just triggered a rebuffer and seek, or only when the in-progress rebuffer is a rebuffer and seek? |
14:56:57 | Moos | let me check for more precision |
14:57:16 | lostlogic | none of the changes between 1.368 and 1.371 of playback.c change pcm buffering or codec behavior at all, only file buffer. can you watch the audio thread screen and see if as it tries to crossfade the compressed codec buffer drops to zero or somethin like that? |
14:57:33 | Moos | sure |
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14:58:57 | Moos | that behaviour came with bleeding edgebuil of yesterday, before the crossfade always faded even is rebuffer was needed |
14:59:40 | * | amiconn wouldn't have noticed at all |
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15:00:24 | Moos | for me that was just the cpu boost bug relating to pondlife's changes (if skip back to the previous track, the cpu stay always boosted, and no tag info in the wps for the next track) |
15:00:54 | Moos | amiconn: I suspect you never use this crossfade thing, right? :) |
15:01:07 | amiconn | Correct. No fade in/out either |
15:01:15 | psiborg | my ipod keeps booting with comitting tag cache |
15:01:18 | Moos | that was sure :) |
15:01:30 | psiborg | which takes at least 30minutes, until it's done i can't do shit |
15:01:57 | amiconn | Sounds like something is going wrong then |
15:02:20 | scorche | possibly with your excretive system |
15:02:26 | psiborg | yep, very |
15:02:53 | amiconn | Committing tagcache usually takes less than a minute (slighly longer on archos, but nothing near 30 minutes) |
15:03:17 | psiborg | i'm pretty sure it's because of the millions of sid files i have on there ;) |
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15:05:16 | psiborg | can i turn the tag cache off from the filesystem? |
15:05:26 | Moos | take me something like a little minute for 10000 tracks and something here for the commit step |
15:05:41 | Genre9mp3 | hmm... I don't know how difficult would be this, but ignoring some filetypes capability in tagcache would be useful for some situations |
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15:05:55 | Moos | you can delete those tagcahe file in .rockbox dir |
15:06:07 | Moos | *tagcache |
15:06:49 | psiborg | i don't even know what the use is for tagcache :) |
15:06:56 | psiborg | i just wanted to play with it.. |
15:07:00 | Moos | Genre9mp3: agreed with you |
15:07:07 | psiborg | i turned it off last time because of this problem ;p |
15:07:35 | lex | hey |
15:07:36 | Moos | depending first if you music is fully taged |
15:07:42 | lex | do you know how could i make my own av-cable for my ipod? |
15:09:12 | obo | lex: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector |
15:09:31 | lex | :) |
15:09:33 | Moos | lostlogic: my X5 just freeze when I wanted to skip, needed to refil the buffer :( |
15:10:06 | lex | but you know, the video comes out with the rcas |
15:11:15 | Moos | lostlogic: there is definitively something wrong with rebefuring with crossfade |
15:15:39 | lostlogic | lostlogic: you did a skip forward to an unbuffered track and it froze? |
15:15:42 | lostlogic | er moos |
15:16:40 | Moos | :) |
15:17:01 | Moos | yeah skip too next track, and stay frozen needed to rebbot |
15:17:15 | Moos | too/to |
15:17:29 | lostlogic | Moos: I gotta run to get to work, can you try to post detailed steps to reproduce both of these problems on flyspray so that pondlife and/or I can look at them today? |
15:19:09 | Moos | too/to |
15:19:49 | lostlogic | Moos: also, it would be _most_ helpful if you can isolate the CVS change that actually caused the problem (but I know that's a lot of work). |
15:19:53 | lostlogic | and I'm off to work. |
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15:32:27 | Moos | lostlogic: time for me to go, I'll fill one bug report in Flyspray with all infos when I'll got the time, c you |
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15:43:19 | * | preglow thinks he'll have another look at ipod nano ata sleep tonight |
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15:44:46 | petur | preglow: about that volume change ticking on my h340: now I know why I didn't remember hearing it before: I recently increased bass, which seems to affect it a lot |
15:44:53 | preglow | petur: oh yes |
15:45:24 | preglow | petur: more bass more means the waveform will be slower-moving overall, which gives discontinuities in the waveform you'll hear easier |
15:45:43 | preglow | petur: but yeah, i've been planning to look at software based fading |
15:46:00 | * | amiconn wonders why the uda doesn't soften the volume change |
15:46:05 | preglow | amiconn: almost nothing does |
15:46:09 | amiconn | The MAS does ths |
15:46:11 | petur | at least I'm happy my memory isn't as bad as I feared ;) |
15:46:11 | preglow | amiconn: only rockbox hardware that does is mas |
15:46:19 | preglow | amiconn: yes, yes, but almost nothing does |
15:46:43 | preglow | the mas also only decodes mp3 and smells bad, so doesn't count |
15:46:47 | amiconn | I wonder how it would be possible to avoid the clicking without hardware support |
15:47:04 | amiconn | The mas can decode more than just mp3 |
15:47:13 | preglow | i wasn't being serious |
15:47:29 | preglow | amiconn: if the amplitude stepping is spec accurate, you can compensate with software fading |
15:47:49 | preglow | amiconn: however, i think it's just better to do all fading entirely in software |
15:47:56 | amiconn | YOu can't as you don't know the delays |
15:48:07 | preglow | amiconn: very true, so no, you can't |
15:48:20 | * | amiconn needs to check whether the wolfson and/or tlv are also producing clicks |
15:48:40 | * | amiconn has the suspicion that this is an uda-only problem |
15:48:42 | preglow | i'm willing to bet they are |
15:48:46 | preglow | the one in my nano most certainly are |
15:48:51 | preglow | is/are/lol |
15:49:42 | preglow | quite simple to test, just make a wav file with a straight dc offset, then adjust the volume |
15:50:02 | preglow | or of course just some low sine tone |
15:50:07 | preglow | 50 hz or something |
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16:07:52 | lostlogic | anyone else having trouble with track skipping off buffer, or crossfade that started recently? |
16:08:23 | * | amiconn didn't even use any of his swcodec targets for listening to music recently |
16:08:39 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah... and I never use crossfade |
16:08:50 | amiconn | Me neither |
16:08:53 | preglow | tried crossfade some time during the summer |
16:08:57 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
16:08:57 | preglow | it's actually quite cool |
16:09:38 | * | amiconn has found a way to reduce subshell spawning (and hence build time) even more |
16:09:41 | lostlogic | preglow: if I listened to same-genre mixes, it would be, sure −− but I usually listen to a complete jumble of different genres and I don't htink that fade from rock to classical sounds good at all |
16:10:11 | amiconn | I am mostly listening to albums, and want to hear them as intended |
16:10:26 | * | petur hugs amiconn if this will reduce cygwin build time |
16:10:27 | preglow | and i listen to albums |
16:10:31 | preglow | so fading is unnecessary |
16:10:39 | amiconn | But even when listening to singles I don't like any extra fading |
16:10:56 | amiconn | petur: It will reduce build time on all platforms |
16:11:46 | amiconn | The idea is to replace all those @echo "Doing blah" with $(info Blah) which is an internal function of 'make' |
16:12:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: tis a good idea |
16:12:18 | lostlogic | amiconn: I heartily approve of you giving the build system a thorough going over. |
16:12:41 | amiconn | In order to keep the same output with both 'make' and 'make V=1', the $(info ....) needs to be placed on the same line as a command though |
16:13:02 | amiconn | It also works when plitting the line with \ , but the the output with V=1 changes slightly |
16:13:08 | amiconn | *splitting |
16:13:48 | * | amiconn would like to know which option is better |
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16:14:14 | amiconn | Do we want to keep output identical with V=1, or do we want to keep the Makefile more readable? |
16:14:21 | preglow | readable |
16:14:24 | lostlogic | readable |
16:14:38 | lostlogic | makefiles are hard enough to read as is ;) |
16:14:42 | preglow | why, yes |
16:14:46 | amiconn | Now the output is e.g. |
16:15:08 | amiconn | LD solitaire.elf |
16:15:09 | Leeds | yay for bluetooth audio |
16:15:12 | amiconn | m68k-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O - ........ |
16:15:27 | amiconn | When using $(info) and splitting lines, it will look like: |
16:15:32 | amiconn | LD solitaire.elf |
16:15:34 | amiconn | \ |
16:15:40 | amiconn | m68k-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O - ........ |
16:16:17 | amiconn | i.e. an extra \ on a separate line (and the command will be indented by one TAB |
16:16:35 | amiconn | Without V=1 it doesn't matter |
16:16:54 | lostlogic | hmph −− that \ is annoying. |
16:17:11 | preglow | i almost never use V=1 anyway |
16:17:14 | preglow | i can live with it |
16:17:45 | Kitt0s | can some1 help me? |
16:17:52 | amiconn | Without the \, said example would look like this in the Makefile: |
16:17:52 | Kitt0s | i think my ipod is fucked :\ |
16:17:53 | Kitt0s | it shows the bootloader.. then i see the rockbox then it gives the white USB rockbox icon.. then it goes to that screen |
16:17:54 | amiconn | $(SILENT)$(info LD $(notdir $@))$(CC) $(GCCOPTS) -O -nostdlib -o $@ $< -L$(BUILDDIR) $(CODECLIBS) -lplugin $(LINKBITMAPS) -lgcc -T$(LINKFILE) -Wl,−−gc-sections -Wl,-Map,$(OBJDIR)/$*.map |
16:18:28 | amiconn | Notice the placement of the $(info) part |
16:18:58 | lostlogic | why is the \ on its own line and not on the same line as the LD solitaire.elf? |
16:19:14 | amiconn | $(info) appends a newline |
16:19:21 | lostlogic | fecker |
16:19:54 | lostlogic | no way to disable the $(info) construct entirely when V=1? |
16:19:57 | preglow | always with the dishes! |
16:20:03 | amiconn | hmm.... |
16:20:14 | amiconn | Maybe we can do that... |
16:20:16 | Leeds | dishes... need food |
16:20:29 | * | amiconn needs to dig further in the 'make' manual |
16:20:35 | lostlogic | my Shure E3 are dying. what should I replace them with? |
16:20:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: dangerous business that;) |
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16:25:44 | markun | lostlogic: Shure E5? I've never tried Shure earphones |
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16:26:37 | Leeds | they're very nice, but I think there may be cheaper/as-good other makes around nowadays |
16:27:02 | lostlogic | Leeds: any suggestions? |
16:27:16 | Leeds | lostlogic: yeah - do some research :-) |
16:28:29 | Leeds | I've got a set of Shures - E2, I think - around US$100? - and I think I'd look elsewhere when it comes time to replace them |
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16:28:55 | markun | Leeds: do you ever use then while riding a bike? |
16:28:58 | markun | them |
16:29:35 | Acidictadpole | hey hey hey |
16:29:44 | Leeds | no, I don't have a bike... to be honest, I tend to use them mainly on planes, since they're *too good* to use elsewhere - they block out too much of the ambient sound |
16:30:51 | Leeds | I ended up buying some really crappy cheap ones to use in places like the office and on the street, where I wanted *background* music, not to relegate all other sound to a dim background hum |
16:31:04 | preglow | amiconn: think i'll have a look at 24 bit flac tonight as well |
16:31:09 | bethorr | hello... anyone know if the iPod Games thing has been hacked yet? |
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16:32:30 | amiconn | preglow: For coldfire, using the special properties of the emac? |
16:33:05 | markun | bethorr: probably not, but in which way do you want to hack them? |
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16:33:49 | bethorr | markun: I want to put my own games into an ipod without touching the firmware |
16:35:16 | markun | bethorr: well, then I don't think this is the right place for you |
16:35:31 | webguest38 | Lostlogic: for earphones http://www.ultimateears.com/ |
16:35:54 | bethorr | markun: any suggestions as to what might be the right place? =) |
16:35:57 | webguest38 | they have a big range to suit your pocket |
16:36:09 | Leeds | webguest38: yeah, I think that's the sort of thing I was thinking of... |
16:37:20 | markun | bethorr: maybe here http://www.ipodwizard.net/index.php |
16:37:57 | bethorr | ah.. Will look. Thanks |
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16:39:34 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
16:39:50 | preglow | amiconn: the way to do it on arm has to be through smull and smlal, i'm afraid |
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16:41:58 | pondlife | lostlogic: FWIW, I use crossfade - seems ok at the moment |
16:42:48 | pondlife | I assume you are having trouble (from the "anyone else") ...? |
16:43:21 | lostlogic | pondlife: no, I don't use it |
16:43:29 | lostlogic | pondlife: Moos is having some kinds of trouble |
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16:43:39 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
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16:43:54 | lostlogic | says that it doesn't crossfade during buffering and it used to |
16:44:01 | Leeds | out of interest - and since I'm discussing it on another channel - what's the rockbox policy on codec patents? |
16:44:05 | lostlogic | also says he's gotten the thing to freeze by skipping as of today |
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16:44:31 | pondlife | I've not updated my H340 yet... will try shortly though |
16:44:33 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 <−− y isn't this commited ?:( |
16:44:36 | lostlogic | Hmm, I think UE and Shure are comparable in quality and price *finds reviews* |
16:45:03 | lostlogic | markun: I ride my bike to and from work every day wearing my Shure E3 with sensaphonics custom fitted in-ear sleeves. |
16:45:29 | pondlife | Kitt0s: I think barrywardell is tidying it up still |
16:45:44 | pondlife | Hopefully he'll commit it soon-ish |
16:46:03 | Kitt0s | yea |
16:46:07 | Kitt0s | i can't even open the ipod |
16:46:07 | Slasheri | i have shure E4, but it has its disadvantages. It's quite bulky and you can't wear it while walking or the cable will cause weird sound to your ear |
16:46:12 | Kitt0s | it stucks @ start |
16:46:27 | markun | lostlogic: the wind makes a terrible noise with my Koss The Plug (which I want to replace anyway) and my friend told me he had the same problem with in-ears from Sennheiser (which looked like the Sony EX in-ears) |
16:46:48 | markun | lostlogic: no such problem with the Shures? |
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16:48:33 | lostlogic | markun: it's much less of a problem with the shures, but was definitely still noticeable until I got the custom sleeves... my previous ear phones were the sony ex51. best solution is to wear an earband over them, but that's intollerble in warm weather. |
16:49:38 | markun | what kind of custom sleeves? |
16:50:50 | lostlogic | http://www.sensaphonics.com/ offers custom molded earpieces for shure earphones (or their own custom earphones) |
16:50:54 | Leeds | you can get them to make custom blobs to cover the driver, such that the headphones fit perfectly, but comfortably, in your ear |
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16:51:13 | Leeds | lostlogic: I thought shure also did it themselves, for the E5, at least |
16:51:15 | lostlogic | (I just happen to be lucky enough to work < 2 miles from where sensaphonics is located so there was no mailing back and forth involved :-P) |
16:51:32 | lostlogic | Leeds: no, they contract through sensaphonics −− both are within 10 miles of Chicago. |
16:51:39 | Leeds | ah, cool |
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16:52:53 | lostlogic | Slasheri: yeah, that's a problem with teh E3 as well, I wish I could find some earphones with a magical better cable that woudln't deteriorate from pretty active uses (like biking to work every day and wearing them inside a motorcycle helmet) |
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16:53:18 | amiconn | lostlogic: It looks like it is possible to suppress the info output itself when running make V=1, but the \ will stay when splitting the line |
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16:55:05 | lostlogic | still on its own line or just prepended to the command output? |
16:56:09 | amiconn | On its own line |
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16:56:26 | * | lostlogic kicks it in its teeth |
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17:00:34 | pondlife | lostlogic: I see Moos problem too. :( |
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17:01:11 | lostlogic | so, the problem is that during rebuffer, crossfade has stopped working? |
17:01:58 | pondlife | It seems to be rebuffering later in some way, so an attempt to crossfade into an unbuffered track doesn't crossfade. |
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17:02:34 | pondlife | Crossfading back a track never works now. |
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17:03:24 | pondlife | I can navigate to an entirely unrelated track and that will crossfade ok though! |
17:03:31 | lostlogic | pondlife: gah, how could anything I have changed in the last couple of days have effected crossfading at all?! |
17:04:15 | pondlife | I think there is a long-standing flakyness in crossfade that you have exposed further |
17:04:46 | pondlife | It has quite often been only 80% reliable at working when skipping to an unbuffered track. |
17:05:19 | pondlife | Ah, it just worked. |
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17:05:51 | Leeds | hah, poor man's sonos... bluetooth dongle on the DAP, bluetooth dongle 2 on the speakers in the other room |
17:07:17 | pondlife | Crossfade always works if I navigate to the track (even the next/previous one). But track skip is a bit hit-and-miss. |
17:07:40 | * | petur points Leeds to SlimDevices |
17:08:09 | lostlogic | pondlife: weird, any chance of narrowing down which commit made it worse? I'm not sure when I'll be able to do that kind of detailed testing :( |
17:08:10 | Leeds | petur: see that 'poor man'? |
17:08:24 | petur | SD is cheaper than Sonos ;) |
17:08:55 | Leeds | and a couple of bluetooth dongles are much cheaper still :-) |
17:09:22 | pondlife | lostlogic: Some time, but not right now I'm afraid |
17:09:56 | pondlife | It may not actually be any worse. It's always been a bit random |
17:10:23 | lostlogic | pondlife: moos usually doesn't like (unfortunately, in this case;)) |
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17:11:00 | pondlife | I'll need to play with it some more. The sim works fine though :) |
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17:14:23 | lostlogic | s/like/lie/ |
17:14:29 | lostlogic | wow, took me a while to see that typo |
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17:15:34 | lostlogic | I wonder if there is now more (or less) delay in the return from the rebuffer and that's impacting the crossfade |
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17:27:55 | barrywardell | Kitt0s: have you tried the cpufreq4 patch? it's very different from the previous ones |
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17:28:50 | lostlogic | hmm... anyone used Westone UM2 earphones? |
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17:30:00 | lex | sennheiser cx-300 <3 |
17:31:38 | barrywardell | anyone with any ipod wanna test the patch (cpufreq4.patch): http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 |
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17:33:14 | Paul_the_Ner1 | barrywardell: Can I assume that you mean 'any of the regularly freezing iPods'? |
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17:35:38 | barrywardell | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, any ipod that is affected by the freezes |
17:36:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright then. I only have a Nano. |
17:37:31 | * | lostlogic orders a pair of westone um2s −− they are cheaper than shure E500 and look like they have a more durable cord and sit more flush to the head. |
17:37:33 | barrywardell | it looks like the 4g is worst affected |
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17:44:41 | amiconn | barrywardell: Afaik the only targets affected by the freezes are those using PP5020 |
17:45:08 | amiconn | Nano and video use PP5021, and Mini G2 uses PP5022. |
17:45:31 | barrywardell | amiconn: yes, I think so. so that means color/4g, mini 1g and h10 are affected? |
17:45:31 | amiconn | The PP5020 ipods are (afaik) G4 greyscale, color/photo, and Mini G1 |
17:46:40 | amiconn | linuxstb could test... |
17:48:45 | psiborg | Thanks for the help earlier btw, removing the tagcache files helped. |
17:49:12 | psiborg | I think I'll update my software later in a bit, see if it's fixed now :) |
17:52:08 | tucoz | is it possible to run two sed commands in one go? That is, both '1d' and '$d' to strip of a line in both the beginning and end of a file. |
17:52:59 | lostlogic | tucoz: just separate them with a ; |
17:53:04 | psiborg | Yes out of interest, but does this have anything to do with rockbox? |
17:53:07 | tucoz | thanks. |
17:53:11 | psiborg | s/Yes/Just/ |
17:53:14 | tucoz | psiborg, yes. the manual. |
17:53:20 | psiborg | hrm interesting :) |
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18:03:13 | barrywardell | amiconn: have you seen fs#6232? |
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18:17:44 | tiax | how 'dangerous' are daily builds? I installed todays build on my 4g/gray and it freezes more often than it works |
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18:18:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 4G Grayscale Rockbox port just have bugs that are being worked on, that's all there is to it. |
18:18:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Using a word like 'dangerous' implies damage could actually happen. |
18:20:07 | tiax | sorry, I'm not a native speaker. So, what s the best way to go? Wait for improvements, try another days shot? |
18:20:54 | tiax | at the moment I can't even boot or listen to music without a freeze |
18:21:18 | amiconn | barrywardell: Hmm, that sounds strange. Almost looks like a scheduler bug to me |
18:21:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | tiax: There's a custom build in the custom builds forums that disables CPU frequency scaling, it's worth trying until the bugs relating to it are ironed out |
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18:25:04 | psiborg | woohoo, updated |
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18:36:59 | barrywardell | amiconn: he says it's only happening since your last two commits. although maybe your changes just revealed a previously unseen bug in the scheduler |
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19:03:16 | Kitt0s | [barrywardell]: using 3 atm.. |
19:04:19 | barrywardell | what model iPod do you hae? |
19:04:24 | godzirra | markun: Is there an easy way to keep track of the gigabeat progress? |
19:04:43 | godzirra | I'm considering picking up an F series. |
19:04:59 | Kitt0s | ipod photo |
19:05:10 | barrywardell | and no crashes yet? |
19:05:27 | Kitt0s | it stucks when trying to play something |
19:05:34 | Kitt0s | could be one of the wps patches tho |
19:05:35 | godzirra | *sigh* I juts want an h120 with a color screen ;p |
19:05:58 | barrywardell | Kitt0s: can you try the version 4 patch? |
19:06:07 | Kitt0s | sure |
19:06:54 | PaulJam | godzirra: have you looked at the iaudio x5 series |
19:07:08 | godzirra | PaulJam: Yeah, I've taken a brief look. I just can't afford one yet :/ |
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19:10:09 | godzirra | whats the difference between an x5 and x5l? |
19:11:15 | godzirra | I wish circuit city didn't return this damned ipod to a gift card. I changed banks so they -made- me return it to a gift card. |
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19:12:44 | PaulJam | x5l has a bigger battery |
19:12:48 | godzirra | ahh |
19:12:55 | godzirra | bigger duration wise, but not size wise? |
19:13:34 | markun | godzirra: you can read the #gigabeat logs |
19:13:39 | PaulJam | both, i think. propably the reason why there is no x5l with 60 GB |
19:13:46 | markun | godzirra: they are pretty small |
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19:15:22 | godzirra | heh ok |
19:16:02 | Kitt0s | barrywardell |
19:16:07 | Kitt0s | ok |
19:16:12 | Kitt0s | it still stucks :\ |
19:16:28 | Kitt0s | im pretty sure its the wps tho |
19:16:59 | barrywardell | Kitt0s: which WPS? |
19:17:10 | barrywardell | does it have peak meters? |
19:17:13 | markun | godzirra: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ |
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19:18:19 | godzirra | So whats the big difference between the battery life? Is it large? |
19:18:32 | Kitt0s | wtf i dunno |
19:18:43 | Kitt0s | i changed to regular wps it still stucks |
19:18:55 | Kitt0s | jBlackGlass |
19:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | godzirra: The X5L gets, I believe, almost twice as much. |
19:20:24 | Kitt0s | barrywardell |
19:20:24 | godzirra | Wow. |
19:20:32 | godzirra | Hrm. I wish i could find reviews. |
19:20:42 | godzirra | the only review i foudn said x5 and x5l both get 14 hours. |
19:21:23 | godzirra | Ok, cnet says the x5l is rated at 35 and lasted 27. |
19:22:31 | godzirra | Wow. |
19:22:40 | godzirra | I can get an x5l for 280 dollars or an x5 for 130 |
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19:24:41 | barrywardell | Kitt0s: try iCatcher |
19:25:20 | tucoz | ignore this. just testing |
19:25:37 | Kitt0s | im pretty sure its albumart\bmpresize\scrollmarging\customline or one of the multifonts |
19:26:11 | barrywardell | ah, you have other patches included too. it could easily be one of those |
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19:26:44 | Kitt0s | well its album art |
19:27:18 | Kitt0s | nope |
19:27:20 | Kitt0s | its not |
19:27:21 | Kitt0s | i can play |
19:27:22 | Kitt0s | wtf |
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19:29:06 | Kitt0s | barrywardell |
19:29:16 | Kasperle | hello |
19:29:17 | Kitt0s | i can't play songs with albumart |
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19:31:59 | Kitt0s | barrywardell, sometimes it stops for a sec :\ |
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19:36:04 | barrywardell | Kitt0s: I don't know about the album art patch. it could easily be causing problems |
19:36:18 | Kitt0s | in the sound? |
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19:37:24 | barrywardell | yes, possibly |
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19:48:16 | Kasperle | i made a small patch for rockboxdev.sh which makes it a little easier to have it use gmake instead of "make" on *BSD systems. I don't have a sourceforge account handy to file it into the bugtracking system, but if you want to check it out, grab it here: http://www.damogran.de/rockboxdev.sh.patch |
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19:52:01 | obo | Kasperle: you don't need a sourceforge account - that's an historic notice from when the patch tracker was migrated |
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19:56:51 | amiconn | hrrrrrrrrrm |
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20:16:40 | PaulJam | question concerning the last tagchache commits: is there something obviously wron with the following lines in the tagnavi_custom.config : |
20:16:49 | PaulJam | %format "fmt_leastplayed" "%d %s (by %s)" playcount title artist %limit = "100" |
20:17:07 | PaulJam | "Am wenigsten gespielte Titel" -> title = "fmt_leastplayed" |
20:18:33 | PaulJam | when i select the entry i get a splash telling me that dirbuffer is full and the listing is empty (i already increaset the max files in dir to 10.000 and restartd) |
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20:22:04 | PortaBob | i have a question bout the ipod video |
20:22:43 | PortaBob | it works fine on my pc at home but now i'm at a friend's place and everytime i plug it in it crashes Explorer... |
20:23:04 | PortaBob | anyone have any suggestions? |
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20:25:06 | Nimdae | you plug in the ipod and explorer crashes? |
20:25:32 | Nimdae | that sounds like a problem with the computer and not the ipod |
20:25:42 | PortaBob | hmm... |
20:25:44 | PortaBob | oh yeah |
20:25:56 | Nimdae | perhaps there is some msie plugin that isn't working properly |
20:26:01 | Nimdae | (yes, that would affect it) |
20:26:03 | PortaBob | i just remembered i have problems with this lappy |
20:26:13 | PortaBob | not internet explorer... |
20:26:21 | PortaBob | Explorer.exe |
20:26:25 | Nimdae | look at my paranthetical note |
20:26:32 | PortaBob | oh... |
20:26:33 | Nimdae | msie is tightly integrated into windows |
20:26:35 | PortaBob | sorry |
20:26:47 | PortaBob | i don't even use msie though |
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20:26:58 | Nimdae | bad msie plugins can affect explorer, heh |
20:27:21 | Nimdae | you use msie, microsoft just doesn't tell you ;) |
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20:28:02 | PortaBob | well i was recently getting that "generic host process..." error and it just went away |
20:28:12 | PortaBob | maybe that has something to do with it |
20:28:56 | Nimdae | possibly |
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20:29:04 | Nimdae | do you have anti-spyware software? |
20:29:10 | PortaBob | nope |
20:29:30 | Nimdae | try spybot s&d, it's free |
20:29:40 | Nimdae | run it and if it removes stuff, try again |
20:29:58 | PortaBob | actually do have adaware se on here |
20:30:23 | Nimdae | ok |
20:30:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Adaware misses a *lot* of stuff Spybot picks up |
20:30:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | They look for different things |
20:31:34 | Nimdae | well, i've heard it the other way around too |
20:31:55 | Nimdae | i use avast antivirus and it tends to be good at keeping malware out |
20:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: I said they look for different things. I couldn't in good conscience recommend to someone that they use one without the other. |
20:32:56 | Nimdae | yeah |
20:33:28 | Nimdae | anyone know of better podcast management software than itunes? |
20:33:49 | Nimdae | cuz itunes is making me want to get out my gun and shoot my computer |
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20:35:05 | PortaBob | could it have anything to do with the fact that i don't have usb 2.0? |
20:37:05 | netmasta10bt | nimdae: check out juice |
20:37:09 | markun | PortaBob: sounds unlikely |
20:37:37 | PortaBob | i didn't think so |
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20:38:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: Aren't most podcasts just mp3/aac files attached to an RSS or ATOM feed? |
20:39:17 | Nimdae | PortaBob: my desktop doesn't have 2.0 (full speed or hi speed) |
20:39:37 | Nimdae | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, but itunes is slow and burdensome |
20:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: If they're RSS / ATOM feeds, you could use any halfway decent feed reader... |
20:40:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least for downloading them, syncing would be a different thing, but I assume we're talking about in relationship to Rockbox anyway. |
20:40:55 | Nimdae | well, some of it is video, so have to use apple firmware for those, heh |
20:41:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well then asking for things to use with the retail firmware in here is kinda pointless. |
20:41:48 | Nimdae | not really, not all of it is video |
20:41:50 | lowlight | Question for a dev...what does QUEUE_LENGTH mean (it's currently 16)? |
20:42:06 | preglow | how long a queue can be? |
20:42:31 | Nimdae | netmasta10bt: thanks, that looks pretty good actually |
20:43:03 | preglow | if a queue isn't read before it reaches sixteen elements, it'll overflow, i guess |
20:43:18 | netmasta10bt | Nimdae: yeah, its not bad, it has a podcast dirtory, but its not searchable :-/ −− i use it to download directly to my sansa |
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20:43:32 | lowlight | preglow: is it a problem that the playback code uses more than 16 queue id's |
20:43:36 | Nimdae | can it import itunes data? |
20:44:01 | preglow | lowlight: ids? i don't know why that should matter, what matters is that sixteen events aren't in the queue at the same time |
20:44:04 | netmasta10bt | nimdae: it can import and export opml −− if itunes can export your feeds in opml it can import it |
20:44:14 | Nimdae | ok |
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20:45:50 | lowlight | preglow: I don't understand the queue...but I'm seeing a problem where I'm getting a false Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED from the queue and Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED=17. |
20:45:50 | BigMac | Aliright I have searched the forums and found nothing on this exactly |
20:46:10 | BigMac | I am getting about 2 hour battery life on a 30 gb video |
20:46:16 | BigMac | which is horrible |
20:46:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Are you using an official build? |
20:46:26 | BigMac | Yes |
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20:47:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | And what battery life do you get with similar settings in the retail firmware (so compare the two with cleared EQ, similar volume, similar backlight use, same playlist) |
20:47:26 | BigMac | I think the fact that most of my music is flac, and they have larger filesizes that may be taking more hdd power thus more battery |
20:47:28 | preglow | lowlight: well, i'm not expert on queues either. just check out firmware/kernel.c and see how they work |
20:47:29 | lowlight | preglow: and if I make Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED=15 it seems to work ok. |
20:47:37 | BigMac | I'd say around 10-11 hours |
20:47:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Yes, FLAC spins up the disk much more often. |
20:47:45 | BigMac | Ok |
20:48:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: I guarantee you don't get 10-11 hours with the same playlist since the original firmware doesn't support FLAC. Thank you for not reading my question fully. |
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20:49:04 | BigMac | so would batch convert all my flac to ogg (q7-q8) because the ogg decoder is faster |
20:49:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Ogg decoder is much slower than FLAC. |
20:49:59 | BigMac | I heard it was very fast on the ipod |
20:49:59 | Nimdae | but it causes fewer disk spinups |
20:49:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | The files just fit in RAM so while more CPU is spent decoding, the disk spins up less often. |
20:49:59 | BigMac | several times |
20:49:59 | preglow | amiconn: you did check and find out that a 16x16 mul should work for 16 bit flacs, yes? |
20:49:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: "Very Fast" doesn't mean "Faster than FLAC" |
20:49:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Right now, I believe MP3 has pulled ahead of Vorbis on iPod even. |
20:50:31 | BigMac | So what would be my best bet then on trying to get more juice out of my battery |
20:50:37 | amiconn | FLAC is our most efficient decoder afaik (not counting uncompressed formats) |
20:50:40 | Nimdae | convert to ogg or mp3 |
20:51:02 | BigMac | They just said ogg is slower... |
20:51:07 | Davide-NYC | Question: will mp3.encoder take any input type or just wav? |
20:51:16 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, don't remember right now... |
20:51:17 | Nimdae | or some other lossy compression that makes smaller files |
20:51:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Slower but doesn't spin the disk as much. I *never* said it used more battery. |
20:51:29 | preglow | amiconn: i'm almost certain we concluded the sh can be used, hence what i say is true |
20:51:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ogg uses more battery than MP3 yes, but less than FLAC |
20:51:36 | Nimdae | BigMac: maybe it is slower, but disk spinup is going to cause higher battrey consumption than a slower decoder |
20:51:52 | preglow | amiconn: i'm going to change to 16x16 mac instructions in the same go now |
20:51:52 | BigMac | oh alright |
20:51:56 | Nimdae | BigMac: i get 7 to 8 hours on my 30 gb ipod video using ogg |
20:52:07 | BigMac | so ogg q7 should be decent then right |
20:52:13 | amiconn | preglow: why? There's no speed advantage... |
20:52:13 | BigMac | that sounds alot better |
20:52:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Tips for saving battery life: Do not use the EQ. Do not use Replaygain. Do not use Crossfeed or Crossfade. Use playlists. Set the backlight timer as low as possible. Do not use DirCache or TagCache. Do not browse your music, just start the playlist and go. |
20:52:53 | Nimdae | what if you load tagcache to ram? |
20:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Do not use themes with lots of images, or backdrop images. Set the limits for files in folder to as small as possible (putting files in multiple folders if necessary), set the anti-skip buffer as low as possible |
20:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: TagCache in RAM means that it takes up space used for the audio buffer == worse battery life |
20:53:20 | BigMac | Ok None of those options are on accept tag cache |
20:53:26 | BigMac | I use playlists |
20:53:34 | Nimdae | but it doesn't use that much space |
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20:53:41 | BigMac | I don't want Dir Cahce on anyway |
20:53:44 | BigMac | Cache |
20:54:00 | Davide-NYC | I think mp3.encoder should be renamed wav2mp3 since it only takes WAV input. Where do I suggest this? |
20:54:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: He asked how to improve his battery life. It does use some, and it does make a difference. |
20:54:04 | preglow | amiconn: why not? no speed advantage? there's a slight one, i think, the emac stall probably won't happen |
20:54:13 | amiconn | It will |
20:54:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: Really, that'd qualify as a feature request, I think |
20:54:21 | Nimdae | i still get 6 or 7 songs queued in codec buffer |
20:54:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Only vaguely so, but still |
20:54:22 | Davide-NYC | really? |
20:54:25 | Davide-NYC | OK |
20:54:27 | preglow | amiconn: how do you know? the a 16x16 result is ready after one cycle |
20:54:33 | amiconn | The datasheet lists the exact same cycle counts for mac.w and mac.l |
20:54:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: It's probably only like a 2% difference on total battery time. |
20:54:45 | BigMac | ok |
20:54:47 | preglow | amiconn: which is what, 1 cycle? i think that's not really true |
20:54:51 | amiconn | One cycle, but the thing is pipelined |
20:54:52 | BigMac | I will turn those off |
20:55:00 | preglow | amiconn: you get one cycle throughput, but a three cycle latency |
20:55:00 | Nimdae | yeah, but it makes for a bit faster response when browsing your music ;) |
20:55:06 | preglow | amiconn: afaik |
20:55:09 | amiconn | yes |
20:55:20 | BigMac | Does anyone know a good batch ogg encoder of hand, or should I go ask google |
20:55:22 | preglow | amiconn: the latency for a 16x16, however, should be 1 cycle also |
20:55:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: Maybe less. But it's an optional option, that you can avoid. Actually, if you don't browse often (or at all beyond when first starting playback) tagcache on disk is better than in RAM |
20:55:41 | amiconn | And due to a hardware bug, the emac stalls even if you fetch a different accumulator after issuing a mac instruction |
20:55:49 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: what's the feature you add by giving something a better name? |
20:55:51 | BigMac | and ogg q7 file sizes should be a lot smaller then flac correct |
20:56:05 | Nimdae | BigMac: a lot, yes |
20:56:09 | amiconn | preglow: why do you think so? |
20:56:14 | BigMac | good |
20:56:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: You add "decreased user confusion" |
20:56:41 | BigMac | Why wouldn't that be taking away then Paul_The_Nerd |
20:56:45 | amiconn | It looks like the emac multiplier is 32x32->40, so using 16bit won't change anything |
20:56:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: It's not a bug, as things are working as intended, and it's not a patch, so that really only leaves "feature request" I think, even if it's not an ideal category. |
20:56:50 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: I would also like to request more flyspray 'operating system' target subsets like swcodec and coldfire etc. Possible? |
20:56:58 | Davide-NYC | where would I do that? |
20:57:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: That's definitely a feature request. :-P |
20:57:17 | Davide-NYC | getting to it, thanks |
20:57:31 | markun | Davide-NYC: I think it's better to just bug devs from time to time :) |
20:57:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: Bugging devs works, but if you have a feature request already filed, they can't just say "File a feature request" and ignore you. :-P |
20:58:03 | lex | hey |
20:58:05 | markun | true :) |
20:58:13 | markun | hi there lex |
20:58:15 | lex | do you know what causes the rebooting after videos on my 5.5G? |
20:58:20 | lex | good evening markun :) |
20:58:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | lex: Using mpegplayer? |
20:58:42 | lex | Paul_The_Nerd: using the apple os :D |
20:58:45 | Davide-NYC | quick question for my flyspray feature request: will mp3.encoder accept other non-compressed files such as AIFF? |
20:58:47 | markun | Isn't there a ipod related channel we can point people to? |
20:58:58 | Davide-NYC | I don't have any to test with |
20:59:01 | lex | (21:58:56) [Users #ipod] |
20:59:01 | lex | (21:58:56) [ cilly] [ hagabaka] [ lex] [ puff] |
20:59:03 | Kasperle | apple.com/support ;) |
20:59:04 | lex | you mean this? |
20:59:08 | preglow | amiconn: because a 32x32 mul is an operation done in parts while a 16x16 mul is not |
20:59:13 | preglow | amiconn: i'm pretty sure i read this some place |
20:59:14 | lex | i guess it's only the encoding |
20:59:17 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: All I had to do was not use white text and I could see all the data on the Xcatcher themes then too. |
20:59:21 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, performance gain or not, it doesn't hurt |
20:59:41 | lex | markun: so i bought a 5.5G to replace that photo i had :p |
20:59:45 | amiconn | preglow: Where was that? Maybe it's done like this on non-emac coldfires |
20:59:52 | lex | yeah, it won't reboot after google videos' videos |
20:59:57 | preglow | amiconn: maybe, it's a bit hard to find detailed and exact information |
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21:00:05 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: that's a funny reason for it not to work, can a diff between font and background color be specified in a WPS? |
21:00:10 | preglow | amiconn: but like i said, it's quickly done, and there's a modest chance of it getting a tiny bit faster |
21:00:19 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: or is that not necessary? |
21:00:33 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: It just uses your setting |
21:00:57 | Lear | preglow: I read something like that too, but that was for the mac, not the emac in newer coldfires. |
21:02:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: which part of i2c was customized for iRivers (file)? If making that better can help so much I think it's high prio for the x5. |
21:03:15 | preglow | Lear: might be, might be, hard to be sure with the conflicting information and all |
21:04:24 | preglow | the 5249 docs say that an msac.l takes 3 cycles, but everything else 1 |
21:04:26 | preglow | i like that |
21:06:59 | Kasperle | has anyone played with the patches for the 5.5G iPod? when i patch and compile my own bootloader and install that to the iPod, the iPod will hang on the Apple Logo upon reset (it won't even get to the point where the backlight is turned on) |
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21:08:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kasperle: Probably best to ask about that in the 5.5G thread, where you're more likely to find 5.5G users. |
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21:11:15 | Davide-NYC | machine locked up. Optical drives are (I believe) slightly miscofigured somehow. Pop in a Disk and sometime the system just locks up. :-( |
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21:12:49 | k0rnz | do I have to restore my Nano in order for rockbox to install correctly? |
21:13:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | k0rnz: Assuming you're starting from a normal iPod Nano situation no. That's why the instructions don't tell you to. |
21:15:49 | k0rnz | my iTunes cant see my Ipod Nano but MyComputer shows it as a removeable drive H what can I do to fix this? |
21:16:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Contact Apple support? |
21:16:35 | k0rnz | ok |
21:17:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, you already told me you haven't installed Rockbox yet... |
21:17:46 | k0rnz | i think the failed install is due to to the fact that Itunes cant see my Ipod |
21:17:52 | k0rnz | gonna reinstall and see if it fixes it |
21:19:20 | Nimdae | Paul_The_Nerd: not necesarily, he could have installed it and it doesn't work right ;) |
21:19:27 | Davide-NYC | simple feature request: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6233 |
21:19:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nimdae: Well, questions relating to what you do before you install *should* come before you try to install. :-P |
21:20:13 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: what flyspray category do I put a flyspray feature request in? |
21:20:17 | Nimdae | that's an assumption |
21:20:19 | k0rnz | i just got banned from #ipodlinux for bitching to developers why ipodlinux does not have custom EQ settings yet |
21:20:39 | Nimdae | k0rnz: well don't bitch to developers |
21:20:39 | Davide-NYC | lol |
21:20:56 | Kasperle | especially not in that tone you used |
21:20:57 | Kasperle | dude |
21:21:05 | k0rnz | its been several months and they still havent got custom EQ settings |
21:21:11 | jhMikeS | sound like hypersensitive people. |
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21:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | k0rnz: Are you paying them a salary? |
21:21:17 | Kasperle | i see you're volunteering? ;) |
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21:21:29 | k0rnz | i donated virtual cash |
21:21:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | "donated |
21:21:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | By definition a donation does not include obligations, because it's a donation. |
21:22:02 | Nimdae | well, personally, if i was developing something in my spare time and someone started bitching at me because it didn't have something they wanted, i'd not be happy either |
21:22:24 | k0rnz | ok thanks for the help cyas |
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21:22:32 | * | jhMikeS doesn't get mad about that |
21:22:59 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: sorry to bug you about this, but I want to file this feature request and can;t figure out where to out it. Is a request to add target categories part of the 'build environment'? I guess so right? |
21:23:02 | * | jhMikeS prefers mocking them instead |
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21:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: It should be 'website' but there's not an option for that. |
21:24:22 | Davide-NYC | catch22 |
21:24:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
21:24:32 | Davide-NYC | what do you want me to do? |
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21:24:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where do you put a feature request to add the ability to put that sort of feature request? ;) |
21:24:49 | * | Davide-NYC ducks |
21:25:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: Go with whatever you want honestly. You could always put something completely non-related just because there's no valid one... There's not even an "Other" option |
21:25:07 | Davide-NYC | where the sun don't...etc. |
21:25:19 | Davide-NYC | Will do |
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21:28:13 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Target categories? |
21:28:21 | Davide-NYC | yea |
21:28:34 | Davide-NYC | in a perfect world they would be radio buttons |
21:28:48 | jhMikeS | not sure what you mean...guess I'll see |
21:28:53 | Davide-NYC | if it's a spdif prob you only check the H1x0 button |
21:29:12 | Davide-NYC | if it's a coldfire you check off x5, irivers |
21:29:18 | jhMikeS | Ok |
21:29:30 | Davide-NYC | if it's SWcodec you check of all non-archos, etc |
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21:30:45 | jhMikeS | One thing I'd like is an option to limit the "commits since..." page to a range of dates. |
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21:33:34 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you talk about some optimisation to my flac asm routines once? |
21:34:43 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: that would be good. |
21:34:57 | Davide-NYC | FLyspray feature request: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6234 |
21:35:06 | _flik_ | question for the devs: are static/global variables in the plugins reintialized every time they are loaded? |
21:35:16 | preglow | amiconn: and what would be the fastes, a add rx, (a0) with (a0) in iram, or using the fact that i've already got the value at (a0) in a register, then doing add rx, ry and move.l ry, (a0) |
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21:36:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: what are you working on? curious |
21:38:29 | linuxstb | BigMac: I exclusively use FLAC on my 5g, and get a lot more than 2 hours runtime. The IpodRuntime page also has test results with 7 hours for a 30GB 5g, and over 10 hours for a 60GB (with the 64MB patch). |
21:39:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: 24 bit flac asm |
21:40:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: got a 24 bit flac file that actually strugges (!!!) at full boost on my h120, so wanna see how much faster i can make it |
21:40:12 | _flik_ | using the simulator i get a reproducible crash in the jpeg plugin because a static variable is not reset when the plugin is loaded the second time |
21:41:18 | preglow | doesn't just stuggle |
21:41:20 | preglow | it actually skips |
21:41:53 | preglow | wtf, i just got a pdir1full when entering the audio thread debug screen |
21:42:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: same thing happens with 88kHz wavpacks on x5. can record them but they won't play |
21:42:16 | obo | linuxstb: 64mb patch: is it still planned to change the locations of the buffers/plugins etc to make that happen? |
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21:42:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: you can record 88khz wavpack realtime on target? |
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21:42:45 | jhMikeS | preglow: yup |
21:42:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: that's pretty nice |
21:43:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: recording and playback should be almost symmetric, weird you can do one but not the other |
21:43:04 | jhMikeS | preglow: thank got for the new scheduler in that regard |
21:43:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: probably the resampler's fault |
21:43:10 | jhMikeS | got = god |
21:43:18 | k0rnz | anyone got any tips on why iTunes is not seeing my IPod Nano even after reinstall of Itunes and restore of Ipod Nano. I'm running Windows XP Home SP2 with latest updates |
21:43:33 | k0rnz | MyComputer sees my Nano as a removeable drive |
21:43:41 | jhMikeS | joint stereo lossless works like a charm |
21:45:19 | Davide-NYC | Dear DEVS please read: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7112.0 |
21:45:22 | linuxstb | obo: It would be nice to rearrange the buffers, but it doesn't look like anyone will do it, so IMO we should probably provide 64MB 5g builds. |
21:45:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: well...we'll stop resampling hw rates soon |
21:46:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: good |
21:46:21 | obo | linuxstb: I guess they can be removed again with a note if that change does ever take place... |
21:46:47 | jhMikeS | AFTER my little recording tweak :-P |
21:47:15 | preglow | so you're gonna support wlck? |
21:47:26 | preglow | wclk |
21:49:00 | jhMikeS | preglow: was that for me? Whatever setup is needed to get the codec chip running at any available speed. Have to use MCLK1/WCLK/dividers depending upon the uda or tlv |
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21:50:11 | preglow | was for you, yes |
21:50:15 | preglow | can't remember what it's called |
21:50:24 | preglow | if was fiddling around with supporting it back when i did spdif recording |
21:50:29 | preglow | but ran out of time/motivation for doing it |
21:51:02 | jhMikeS | There was trouble using the WSPLL on for recording in slave mode...switch it back to MM and things seem to work. |
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21:52:21 | jhMikeS | 11,22,44,88 are available for playback and record on x5 and playback on iRiver. 11,22,44 for recording on iRiver. |
21:53:57 | preglow | and playback on iriver? |
21:54:07 | k0rnz | anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of the old apple ipod restore utility, Itunes cant see my ipod so I cant update/restore it |
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21:55:19 | jhMikeS | playback rates on iRiver is same as x5 |
21:56:06 | jhMikeS | but the ADC can only go to 55kHz so no iRiver recording that high. |
21:56:23 | Davide-NYC | I hate that fact |
21:56:23 | preglow | really? but it can go higher for playback, right? |
21:56:29 | preglow | i seem to remember around 80khz or something |
21:56:29 | jhMikeS | yes |
21:56:33 | preglow | hmm |
21:56:41 | preglow | on iriver we've got the complication of spdif too |
21:56:49 | preglow | if spdif out is enabled, we should always run at 44.1khz |
21:57:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: I set it up to run at the closest rate to the input |
21:57:34 | jhMikeS | the monitoring that is |
21:57:45 | preglow | thinking more about playback |
21:58:10 | jhMikeS | ahh I see... |
21:58:16 | preglow | the only spdif rate we're capable of using for playback is 44.1khz |
21:58:25 | jhMikeS | why? |
21:58:32 | preglow | well |
21:58:41 | preglow | because there only is 32khz, 44.1khz and 48khz |
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22:00:04 | jhMikeS | Why worry about recording other SPDIF rates them? What actually uses them? |
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22:00:15 | preglow | _flik_: got a patch? |
22:00:52 | _flik_ | nope, i am not sure if it can be regarded as a bug in the jpeg plugin |
22:00:58 | jhMikeS | of couse that's a slightly higher level decision and limiting rate options is rather simple |
22:01:05 | _flik_ | i just had a look at the plugin loader mechanism |
22:01:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: because we can, really. problem is we can send at pretty much whatever rate we want (i figure), but we've got no way to tell a receiver what we're sending, so we have to rely on it being able to find out |
22:01:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: and i'm willing to bet not much can |
22:02:02 | _flik_ | the problem is, that using the ui simulator plugins are loade using dlopen which seems to keep it resident in memory |
22:02:12 | jhMikeS | makes sense. When SPDIF out is on, just pick playback to be the closest one of those |
22:02:13 | preglow | _flik_: ahh, riiight, so it's a sim only bug |
22:02:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: closest one of the three spdif rates? we can only do 44.1khz of them |
22:03:01 | _flik_ | preglow: yes, i guess it is something that can only be triggered in the sim |
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22:03:51 | _flik_ | preglow: because the plugins are kept resident in memory in the sim, all there static variables are not reinitialized |
22:03:54 | jhMikeS | I know what you're saying |
22:04:23 | preglow | _flik_: then we obviously need to unload the plugin at some point |
22:05:41 | preglow | _flik_: well, we do dlclose(), i see |
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22:05:55 | _flik_ | preglow: hmm... just saw that too |
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22:06:18 | preglow | :q |
22:06:24 | * | preglow switches to vim window |
22:06:26 | jhMikeS | That's still really np |
22:06:29 | Kitt0s | what is the screen size of ipod video?!? |
22:06:34 | preglow | Kitt0s: 320x240 |
22:06:41 | Kitt0s | thank you |
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22:07:25 | _flik_ | preglow: but the static variables in the plugin are definitely not reset, i just saw that in a debug session |
22:08:11 | _flik_ | preglow: maybe the os still keeps the plugin in memory, even if they are dlclosed? |
22:08:13 | jhMikeS | If they're supposed to be initialized data they'd better be. |
22:08:25 | _flik_ | preglow: i am running os x btw |
22:08:43 | preglow | _flik_: i have no idea how that system behaves in this regard |
22:08:54 | preglow | _flik_: perhaps it does, but that would be really weird |
22:09:04 | preglow | _flik_: then again, this might be bona-fide os x bug |
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22:09:27 | preglow | _flik_: if i were you, i'd write a small test program that loads a small plugin with a static variable and test outside of rockbox |
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22:10:21 | _flik_ | preglow: i will try that |
22:11:20 | preglow | _flik_: i don't think loading a lib, unloading, then loading it again is very common behaviour, heh, but it most certainly should not behave like this |
22:11:34 | preglow | _flik_: also, could you describe what you do to provoke the bug? i'll try it on linux |
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22:12:11 | _flik_ | preglow: k, steps to reproduce |
22:12:51 | _flik_ | preglow: 1. context menu on a arbitrary file |
22:13:04 | _flik_ | preglow: 2. "open with..." |
22:13:13 | _flik_ | preglow: 3. "jpeg" |
22:13:27 | _flik_ | preglow: repeat from step 1 |
22:13:55 | _flik_ | preglow: crash after second iteration in the qsort call that sorts the file list |
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22:14:34 | * | z0de is now the owner of an iaudio x5l |
22:14:36 | z0de | :D |
22:14:49 | _flik_ | preglow: oh yes and you need at least one jpeg in the directory |
22:15:32 | _flik_ | preglow: in my case the "entries" variable was not zero on the second iteration but the number of jpeg files found in the first iteration |
22:16:06 | z0de | does rockbox support the inline remote for the x5l? i didn't see anything in the manual. |
22:17:16 | Kasperle | how does rockbox patch the bootloader into the existing firmware? does it just append the bootloader to the first file on the firmware filesystem, and set the entryOffset accordingly? |
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22:17:40 | z0de | hi btw |
22:18:58 | petur | z0de: I think yes, but some x5 dev better answer this (jhMikeS? Bagder?) |
22:19:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: you were saying to run feed-though at 44.1 always? I was talking about HP monitoring. Right now I think feed though just passes EBU1 recv right on though. |
22:19:27 | preglow | _flik_: and it crashes even if the file you're trying to open is jpeg? |
22:19:28 | _flik_ | preglow: the crash could not be reproduced when setting entries to zero before calling get_pic_list() in plugin_start(...) of jpeg.c |
22:19:43 | jhMikeS | petur: I'd better read back on that :) 1 min |
22:19:57 | * | _flik_ tries that |
22:20:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: not feed-through, playback |
22:20:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm not really speaking about the recording part at all |
22:20:30 | * | _flik_ has to compile it without the fix first though |
22:20:31 | * | petur shuts up for a while - belgian beer overload :) |
22:20:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: ok, that's np to adjust but it's not even a factor atm. will be mindful of that when changing things though. |
22:21:25 | jhMikeS | z0de: inline remote? |
22:22:01 | jhMikeS | the remote works on x5 of course |
22:23:04 | z0de | but with rockbox? |
22:23:30 | z0de | it has all the buttons on the player and has an exstended connector |
22:23:31 | petur | Z0de: this is #rockbox btw ;) |
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22:23:43 | z0de | i know :P |
22:24:03 | TerrorByte | Okay, I'm going to ask this every day here. |
22:24:04 | jhMikeS | z0de: the remote works. I have all the accessories. |
22:24:09 | TerrorByte | Is there sound yet on the vides on the H10? |
22:24:32 | TerrorByte | Cold day today...... |
22:24:33 | jhMikeS | TerrorByte: heh...it's overdubbed with your voice :D |
22:24:34 | z0de | cool jhMikeS |
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22:24:56 | linuxstb | TerrorByte: You'll annoy people quickly... Just check the recent changes at http://www.rockbox.org/ |
22:25:05 | TerrorByte | .... |
22:25:07 | | Quit TerrorByte (Client Quit) |
22:25:08 | z0de | how close are we to a v1.0 release for the x5l? or is the daly release stable enough. |
22:25:10 | | Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
22:25:32 | TerrorByte | Anyone see my messages? |
22:25:37 | TerrorByte | Guess not. |
22:25:38 | TerrorByte | Well anyways. |
22:25:48 | TerrorByte | I'm gonna ask the same question here everyday. |
22:25:53 | z0de | i see but dont know the anwers. |
22:25:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | z0de: Rockbox is a single piece of software, there aren't separate version numbers for different hardware |
22:26:01 | TerrorByte | Is there sound yet in the videos on the H10? |
22:26:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | TerrorByte: Don't ask the same question daily |
22:26:06 | _flik_ | preglow: nope it doesn't crash when directly displaying the jpeg |
22:26:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | TerrorByte: There's a changelog, just bloody READ |
22:26:10 | TerrorByte | Aw... |
22:26:11 | z0de | but theres stable relases and daly. |
22:26:12 | TerrorByte | Fine. |
22:26:13 | jhMikeS | z0de: x5(x) is pretty stable |
22:26:17 | TerrorByte | Yeah I do read the log. |
22:26:19 | * | _flik_ starts his vim to find out why |
22:26:20 | TerrorByte | Like 5 times a day. |
22:26:21 | TerrorByte | :) |
22:26:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | TerrorByte: Then why the heck do you need to ask? |
22:26:31 | TerrorByte | I'm a very impatient man. |
22:26:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then DO IT |
22:26:36 | TerrorByte | Maybe there's like a breakthrough. |
22:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Work on it, rather than pestering innocent people about it. |
22:26:51 | TerrorByte | Innocent? |
22:27:06 | * | jhMikeS will not be an innocent victim |
22:27:06 | z0de | any cases of it could crashing and damaging the hardware/not booting ever? |
22:27:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many of us don't care in the slightest about video support. |
22:27:20 | TerrorByte | 'Many'. |
22:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
22:27:38 | * | TerrorByte targets jhMikeS to be next 'innocent victim'. |
22:27:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | And since there's an official place for you to find out if it's working or not, on your own, spamming the channel does no good. |
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22:28:04 | z0de | :( |
22:28:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | 4 messages in a row in under a minute that were completely irrelevant, for example. |
22:28:16 | TerrorByte | Probably were yeah. |
22:28:21 | * | jhMikeS looks at his collection and picks the Berretta just to be nice |
22:28:27 | V-t | :) |
22:28:27 | preglow | _flik_: ok, in a dir with music files and jpegs i try to open an mp3 with jpeg, it says unsupported file, then displays the next valid jpeg again. i exit, try the same thing again, and again the jpeg plugin does as before |
22:28:29 | * | TerrorByte backs off. |
22:28:34 | linuxstb | TerrorByte: If you're impatient, just buy another H10, and you can have video with sound. |
22:28:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | z0de: Rockbox has not permanently damaged an X5 ever, or at least nobody has reported it being so. |
22:28:44 | TerrorByte | LOL linux. |
22:28:44 | Kitt0s | is there a fast way to test the plugins? without having to do make and make install every time?? |
22:28:46 | TerrorByte | Great answer. |
22:28:49 | Kitt0s | for simulator i mean |
22:28:57 | TerrorByte | I only wonder why the rest of the world won't do that. :) |
22:29:16 | _flik_ | preglow: ok seems to work on linux then, thanks for testing |
22:29:47 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: You can just copy the .rock - i.e. "make && cp apps/plugins/jpeg.rock archos/.rockbox/viewers/" |
22:29:59 | TerrorByte | Well I'm off. |
22:30:00 | z0de | thanks paul |
22:30:04 | TerrorByte | Things to do, places to be. |
22:30:07 | jhMikeS | *kidding* |
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22:30:13 | Kitt0s | so i do need to do make again |
22:30:14 | z0de | i just dont want to break my shiny new player. |
22:30:24 | Kitt0s | k then |
22:30:25 | Kitt0s | :] |
22:30:27 | * | TerrorByte leaves, casting wary looks at jhMikeS. |
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22:30:47 | jhMikeS | z0de: no ... you're safe. just flash the bootloader. |
22:30:57 | jhMikeS | *heh* |
22:30:57 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: You could try "make V=1" and then repeat the lines to create jpeg.rock. But the build system itself doesn't support just rebuilding a single plugin. |
22:31:17 | Kitt0s | ok then |
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22:31:46 | [dot]_j | anyone have a few minutes for a linux/rockbox question? |
22:32:08 | Bagder | ask and you'll find out |
22:32:13 | [dot]_j | i have installed rockbox on and old 3gen ipod |
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22:32:32 | [dot]_j | i am able to boot to both the apple & rockbox firmware |
22:32:32 | * | jhMikeS has made a heater out of the x5 a couple times by accidentally scribbling all over RAM...thankfully there's an overtemp protection. |
22:32:32 | Kitt0s | what is the lcd depth of the x5l? |
22:32:38 | TerrorByte | Heh, I'm back. |
22:32:43 | TerrorByte | But I have a serious question. |
22:32:52 | TerrorByte | Not related to Rockbox, but good place to ask nonetheless. |
22:32:54 | Bagder | Kitt0s: 16bit colors |
22:32:55 | jhMikeS | Kitt0s: 16-bit native...can do 18-bit dithered to 565 |
22:32:58 | TerrorByte | It's for a seminar. |
22:33:01 | TerrorByte | Okay, here goes. |
22:33:04 | Kitt0s | nice |
22:33:04 | [dot]_j | but, using ubuntu, it will only detect the device if i'm booted into the apple side |
22:33:12 | TerrorByte | Is anyone here black? |
22:33:19 | TerrorByte | It's a serious question guys. |
22:33:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | TerrorByte: This is #Rockbox... it's for Rockbox purposes. |
22:33:35 | Bagder | [dot]_j: rockbox on ipod doesn't yet have its own usb mode |
22:33:38 | TerrorByte | Aw come on Paul, I know. |
22:33:38 | [dot]_j | dmesg output says that the usb device is not accepting the address (if in rockbox) |
22:33:39 | jhMikeS | TerrorByte: As the night...but only in my heart |
22:33:45 | linuxstb | [dot]_j: Rockbox doesn't have USB/Firewire detection on the 3g yet - you need to manually boot into the Apple firmware or the emergency disk mode - see http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations |
22:33:54 | TerrorByte | LOL jh. |
22:33:58 | [dot]_j | ah, that explains it |
22:34:07 | [dot]_j | works fine on my video ipod... |
22:34:09 | TerrorByte | So, no one's black? |
22:34:27 | Bagder | I've got a black recorder, does that count? |
22:34:27 | jhMikeS | TerrorByte: When the lights are off are not we all? |
22:34:42 | TerrorByte | LOL & LOL. |
22:34:43 | [dot]_j | thanks badger & linuxstb |
22:34:54 | TerrorByte | I mean in the light, the natural color of your face. |
22:34:58 | TerrorByte | That clear enough? |
22:35:16 | _flik_ | preglow: although it doesn't crash when directly loading the jpeg i still see the entries variable increasing although it shouldn't |
22:35:39 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if there's a sign on the door that says "Ask us questions unrelated to Rockbox, or questions you can answer yourself, just *anything* but relevant questions" |
22:35:46 | jhMikeS | TerrorByte: What about the rest of me? |
22:35:47 | preglow | _flik_: well, i can't make it crash, at least |
22:35:57 | [dot]_j | so... does anyone know if 3g usb detection is in the works? |
22:36:07 | [dot]_j | or are they getting too old to worry about it at this point? |
22:36:09 | TerrorByte | The rest of you doesn't count Mike. |
22:36:11 | TerrorByte | So no one's black huh... |
22:36:36 | jhMikeS | TerrorByte: depends on who you ask ;-) |
22:36:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | [dot]_j: Things get done if people choose to do them... there's really no such thing as "In the works" unless someone's already specifically working on exactly that feature |
22:36:46 | Kitt0s | 4 16-bit packed 5-6-5 RGB (iriver H300) |
22:36:46 | Kitt0s | 5 16-bit packed and byte-swapped 5-6-5 RGB (iPod) |
22:36:46 | preglow | TerrorByte: could you please keep it on topic? there's enough traffic here right now as it is |
22:36:47 | _flik_ | peglow: could you check with gdb if the entries variable keeps increasing on every plugin iteration? |
22:36:54 | Kitt0s | wich one for the X5? i assume 4? |
22:37:09 | linuxstb | [dot]_j: I think there's only one dev (dan_a) with a 3g. |
22:37:13 | Bagder | Kitt0s: yes, if you mean how we store the data in memory |
22:37:14 | _flik_ | preglow: by setting a breakpoint at jpeg.c line 2017 |
22:37:15 | jhMikeS | All the color target are 565 rgb |
22:37:18 | TerrorByte | Yeah, I've noticed preglow... And I got my answer.. |
22:37:28 | Kitt0s | its bmp2rb, Bagder. |
22:37:32 | TerrorByte | Either there's no one black here, or they aren't very talkative. |
22:37:34 | TerrorByte | Later. |
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22:37:41 | Bagder | Kitt0s: then it is in memory, so 4 it is |
22:37:45 | _flik_ | preglow: because maybe with the right order it doesn't crash although the bug is still there |
22:37:46 | [dot]_j | so... any idea how differnt say the video & 3gen ipods are when it comes to such things? |
22:38:03 | jhMikeS | Kitt0s: yes for iRiver/x5 |
22:38:15 | z0de | get the x5l |
22:38:29 | Bagder | [dot]_j: we're on a shortage of 3gen ipod developers. We tend to put all the 3g work on dan_a ;-) |
22:38:40 | * | jhMikeS is losing track that Bagder is already the answering q's :P |
22:38:47 | linuxstb | [dot]_j: Very different. The 3rd Gen has a PP5002 processor, the 5g/video has a PP5021 |
22:38:56 | [dot]_j | damn |
22:39:19 | Kitt0s | yep thanks :] |
22:39:26 | [dot]_j | looks like the girl get's the video... |
22:39:26 | preglow | _flik_: seems to work like it should |
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22:40:13 | Famicom | hi |
22:40:14 | _flik_ | preglow: ok, thanks for testing |
22:40:48 | * | jhMikeS sings "Ebony and Ivory" |
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22:41:14 | Famicom | can anybody tell me what I need to watch movies on my iPOD video ? |
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22:41:34 | Famicom | I removed iTUNES, and installed rockbox |
22:41:39 | linuxstb | Famicom: Do you want to listen to your movies as well? |
22:41:48 | Famicom | yep |
22:42:04 | linuxstb | Then put itunes back... (or find a third-party replacement that supports videos) |
22:42:18 | Famicom | so rockbox doesn't? |
22:42:49 | [dot]_j | Fam - how often you watch videos on the thing? |
22:43:01 | [dot]_j | I ask cause I have a video ipod and never use it for video, so rockbox works fine for me |
22:43:24 | linuxstb | There's a video player in progress, but it's designed for all the other players Rockbox supports - it doesn't use the 5g's video processor, and probably never will. It's working, but without sound. |
22:44:36 | Famicom | I've never done it yet, but yes, I'd like to get some of my dvds into my ipod |
22:44:56 | Famicom | aham |
22:44:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: why would it never if someone wants to do it? |
22:44:58 | [dot]_j | you could still put itunes back and dual boot |
22:45:15 | Famicom | and what about a third party OS ? |
22:45:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: A video player using the Broadcom chip would be a different plugin IMO. |
22:45:21 | [dot]_j | use apple side for video & rockbox for everything else |
22:45:52 | linuxstb | The Apple firmware appears to just pass the compressed video/audio data to the broadcom chip, which does the decoding and display, and passes PCM data back to the portalplayer chip to be sent to the DAC. |
22:46:04 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: could "look" like the same plugin though. |
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22:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | jhMikeS: Well since they both ought to be viewers (for the moment) yeah it'd react the same, I imagine |
22:47:17 | linuxstb | Maybe, but it would also play different formats (h264 with AAC audio) than mpegplayer (mpeg-1/2 video with layer 2/3 audio) |
22:47:28 | Famicom | [dot]_j how can I do such a thing, put itunes back and dual boot? |
22:47:48 | [dot]_j | you've got rockbox installed, right? |
22:47:52 | Famicom | yes |
22:48:24 | [dot]_j | well.. i guess i'm not sure exactly how itunes reacts to rockbox |
22:48:26 | jhMikeS | It could have target-specific files in it if organized well. |
22:49:00 | [dot]_j | but you could try booting to the apple side of the ipod and see if you can transfer video that way |
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22:49:17 | My_Sic | hie all |
22:49:36 | My_Sic | i have a problem with my rockbox |
22:49:37 | Famicom | how can I boot to the apple side? |
22:49:57 | My_Sic | always i make the datatag i have this erro : "data abort at 000004CC" |
22:49:59 | [dot]_j | hold down menu & play until it boots |
22:50:01 | My_Sic | what do the mean ? |
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22:50:21 | [dot]_j | the manual tells you how to boot to the apple side vs rockbox |
22:50:41 | Famicom | ok, thanks ;) |
22:50:44 | linuxstb | Famicom: Shut down Rockbox by holding PLAY, then press MENU to wake it up, and keep your finger held down on MENU, being careful not to move it until you see "Loading original firmware' appear. |
22:51:40 | [dot]_j | thanks again for the help - off to dinner |
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22:51:51 | Famicom | uhmm, thankss |
22:53:15 | Famicom | linuxstb, so now I can reinstall iTUNES on my pc and it will comunicate with my iPOD? |
22:53:43 | Famicom | being unnecessary to uninstall rockbox, I mean |
22:54:02 | linuxstb | Yes, you don't even need to be in the Apple firmware to use iTunes. |
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22:54:33 | linuxstb | It works fine in the emergency disk mode Rockbox reboots into when you insert a USB cable. |
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22:58:15 | Famicom | ok, thanks again :) |
22:58:27 | psiborg | emergency disk mode? |
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23:04:40 | z0de | hmm the install bootloader of the x5l section of the manual is "to do" |
23:04:56 | z0de | anyone avaliable to walk me thorugh it? |
23:05:02 | petur | z0de: try the wiki |
23:05:09 | petur | iaudioport |
23:05:14 | z0de | k |
23:05:16 | z0de | thx |
23:05:27 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
23:06:03 | z0de | thx again |
23:06:35 | * | petur wonders if anybody ever heard of a 'device_instance' type in a DOS program |
23:10:39 | My_Sic | please what mean this erro : "data abort at 000004CC" |
23:12:25 | _flik_ | that rockbox crashed when the program counter was at address 0x000004CC, if that helps you |
23:12:53 | preglow | and that it did so thanks to unaligned memory |
23:13:11 | Bagder | and the .map file can explain what's in that memory |
23:13:53 | My_Sic | ok thanks |
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23:16:00 | My_Sic | where is the .map file? |
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23:17:00 | hcs | any idea why we seem to get channels switching on 4g ipods when it isn't crashing? I don't know anything about the actual playback hardware... |
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23:18:59 | linuxstb | hcs: "seem to" ? |
23:19:39 | hcs | well, yes, we do get channels switching |
23:19:48 | * | z0de now has rockbox |
23:19:51 | _flik_ | preflow: i created a the test now for the static variable reinitialization problem |
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23:20:25 | * | preglow is thorougly confused |
23:20:32 | preglow | _flik_: and what happened? |
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23:20:51 | linuxstb | hcs: Any idea if it's certain codecs, or all codecs? |
23:21:04 | _flik_ | preflow: it behaves the way i noticed in the uisimulator: when dlopen()ing and dlclosing() the static variables are not reinitialized |
23:21:07 | hcs | linuxstb: I'm doing testing along that line now |
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23:21:31 | _flik_ | sorry preglow not preflow |
23:21:45 | z0de | does rockbox have a back button, im stuck in the picture viewer on the x5 |
23:21:52 | hcs | linuxstb: but I've noticed it in mp3 and aac, most of my recent testing was with mono files, though, so it didn't become apparent |
23:22:07 | linuxstb | hcs: I've never noticed it, but I'm not sure I would anyway... |
23:22:40 | z0de | its the power button |
23:22:51 | preglow | _flik_: i'd report this to someone who should know, then, this is obviously a bug some place |
23:23:06 | hcs | linuxstb: it's accompanied by an irritating click even if there's no obvious difference between the channels, as the waves don't quite match up |
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23:24:10 | _flik_ | preglow: i will try the test on linux first though |
23:24:43 | preglow | _flik_: just put the source somewhere and i can test right now |
23:25:05 | yipe | hello rockboxers, I've got a pretty simple question and I just can't seem to locate the answer on the website |
23:25:15 | preglow | yipe: then ask away |
23:25:22 | linuxstb | hcs: In which case, I've never noticed it. What format do you normally listen to? |
23:25:40 | yipe | how do you get BACK to the wps once you've left it to go look around at whatever, WITHOUT messing with the track that's playing |
23:26:00 | preglow | yipe: press play |
23:26:01 | linuxstb | yipe: PLAY on most (all?) devices. |
23:26:03 | yipe | sometimes I might wanna turn the volume up, or rewind, and I can't do nothin' without starting the whole track over again, |
23:26:08 | _flik_ | preglow: ok its at http://xile.org/~miket/load.c and http://xile.org/~miket/test.c |
23:26:13 | yipe | are you serious? I'm an idiot |
23:26:28 | hcs | linuxstb: this seems to be specifically an issue with barrywardell's cpufreq4.patch |
23:26:28 | yipe | yeah, that's it, thank you |
23:26:54 | hcs | linuxstb: as I very rarely noticed it before I started to test this, I usually listen to mp3s |
23:27:09 | linuxstb | hcs: OK. I haven't tried that yet - I'm on vacation, and don't have my photo with me. |
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23:27:56 | linuxstb | My first guess would be that it's interfering with the FIQ in some way, causing a sample to be dropped. |
23:28:07 | yipe | am I right in guessing that the battery level indicator and the estimates of running time left aren't too accurate? |
23:28:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | In many cases the estimated time remaining is especially horrible. |
23:28:31 | hcs | linuxstb: so it goes to the dsp fully interleaved? |
23:28:34 | linuxstb | hcs: Does it happen when the CPU is being boosted/unboosted? |
23:28:35 | yipe | ipod? |
23:28:37 | linuxstb | hcs: yes. |
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23:29:24 | hcs | linuxstb: it does seem to be associated with the boosting/unboosting |
23:29:32 | preglow | _flik_: counts from 0 to 4, then starts over again |
23:29:44 | preglow | _flik_: which looks to me to be correct behaviour |
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23:30:00 | _flik_ | preglow: ok, on os x it counts to 24 |
23:30:11 | linuxstb | hcs: If barrywardell's patch disables interrupts, maybe it is disabling them for too long. The FIQ needs to keep a 32-byte (I think) FIFO from emptying. |
23:30:12 | preglow | _flik_: clearly buggy behaviour, now go nag apple about it ;) |
23:30:31 | hcs | linuxstb: running the adx decoder it doesn't seem to be an issue, and that almost never requires boosting |
23:30:39 | hcs | linuxstb: very possible, he does disable interrupts |
23:31:16 | _flik_ | preglow: i will, thanks again for testing |
23:31:20 | preglow | _flik_: np |
23:31:48 | Kitt0s | LinusN, you around? |
23:32:45 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: He is not even online |
23:33:01 | Kitt0s | lol :P |
23:35:03 | preglow | _flik_: btw, you should probably check if this is an issue on other bsds too |
23:35:30 | _flik_ | preglow: yup, i will google for the issue |
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23:37:37 | preglow | wooo, my h120 just hung when trying to enter a dir |
23:37:42 | preglow | rockbox seems somewhat more flakey than usual of late... |
23:38:14 | petur | too many core changes |
23:39:32 | hcs | linuxstb: even without disabling interrupts the switching sill happens |
23:41:06 | Kasperle | what do you need tested? I'm on FreeBSD |
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23:45:19 | preglow | hmm, can iriver flash plugin flash iriver official images? |
23:45:21 | _flik_ | Kasperle: whether reloading a shared library causes its static members to be reset |
23:45:39 | linuxstb | preglow: I believe so. At least the wiki claims so. |
23:45:56 | preglow | i'm getting a bit tired of keeping rockbox in flash while developing |
23:47:21 | linuxstb | Yes, a boot-order setting would be nice. |
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23:48:23 | preglow | argh, why does the wiki download links have to be so unfriendly to wget |
23:49:04 | z0de | can you charge rockbox on an x5 while the usb is plugged in? |
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23:50:29 | Kasperle | _flik_: on freebsd it counts to 4 several times |
23:50:43 | z0de | or does rockbox have a alarmclock fature? |
23:50:47 | z0de | feature? |
23:50:52 | _flik_ | Kasperle: ok, thanks, this is the correct behaivour |
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23:51:33 | preglow | linuxstb: plugin says unknown file type, though |
23:51:34 | Kasperle | _flik_: (tested it like this: gcc -shared -o test.dylib ; gcc -o load load.c ; ./load, I had to point load.c to "./test.dylib" though) |
23:51:54 | preglow | Kasperle: then it's a os x bug |
23:52:02 | linuxstb | preglow: .hex or .bin (i.e. decrypted) ? |
23:52:03 | _flik_ | Kasperle: yup |
23:52:05 | preglow | linuxstb: crypted |
23:52:13 | preglow | right, that might be it... |
23:52:15 | linuxstb | IIRC, it needs the ,.bin |
23:52:28 | z0de | anyone |
23:53:16 | linuxstb | z0de: There is no alarm-clock at the moment on the X5. I've no idea about USB charging. |
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23:54:01 | preglow | linuxstb: right, also it can't be patched |
23:54:22 | z0de | :( the cowen software has an alarm, any idea if it would be put on |
23:54:33 | z0de | it would be very usefull to me. |
23:54:45 | linuxstb | z0de: It's been talked about, so I'm sure it will come. |
23:54:49 | z0de | :D |
23:56:02 | * | _flik_ heads to apple bugreporter |
23:56:17 | z0de | what about the usb as i have the doc which has both usb and charger pluged in to it. can rockbox prioertise the charger? |
23:56:28 | z0de | and only usb when comp tells it too. |
23:57:15 | _flik_ | oops, i get a java.lang.NullPointerException when trying to log into the apple bug reporter ;-) |
23:57:18 | preglow | wtf, it refuses to let me update the bootloader |
23:57:58 | linuxstb | z0de: I've no idea. LinusN or jhMikeS may know if you catch them around - I think they're the two main low-level X5 developers. |