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#rockbox log for 2006-10-28

00:00:38 Join matsl [0] (
00:00:45amiconnwow, 64 bit flac! ;)
00:00:52Soapyou don't think many will appreciate the dithering?
00:01:24*amiconn will try to hear the dithering difference with his stereo tomorrow
00:03:27scorchehrm...psiborg is is not currently used on the virtual there a reason why?
00:03:57peturit's play on irivers... unless I remember wrong
00:04:11scorchei am referring to ipods
00:04:28peturI know
00:04:41peturjust saying how it is on iriver in instead of long select?
00:05:28peturslow today? :p
00:05:35*scorche sighs
00:06:29 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:06:33linuxstb_preglow: Sure, it's far from a priority. 16-bit FLAC files don't boost at 24MHz, I'll try 24-bit files at some point and see how they are.
00:06:42preglowlinuxstb_: they boost somewhat
00:06:45preglowbut not much
00:07:20 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]")
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00:09:40amiconnBah, the build system split my commit into 2 build rounds
00:09:47*amiconn wants atomic commits
00:12:53*linuxstb_ waits for preglow...
00:13:33linuxstb_amiconn was criticising CVS...
00:13:51preglowi thought it was the build system's fault
00:13:57preglowbut of course, it would never have happened with svn!
00:15:07*dan_a has started using git
00:15:13dan_aI'm impressed.
00:15:45andrewmelI have two versions of one sound in metronome.c, one is for a !SWCODEC player and is a unsigned char, the other is for the SWCODEC players and is a signed short. they are flat ticks. Can sombody please tell me how I convert a .wav file to these formats so I can add a ding noise for the start of a bar?
00:16:11 Quit Blackfish` ("( :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: )")
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00:17:02Learamiconn: make is very silent here... (3.80, iirc)
00:18:15amiconnYeah, just spotted that in the build table as well
00:18:54amiconnHowever, it's not so silent on all build servers, and I tested both on cygwin and linux (== my build server). Worked fine
00:19:06 Join blue_lizard [0] (
00:19:43*amiconn wonders what's up with that
00:19:58amiconnmake -v ==> 3.81 on both boxes
00:20:44preglowmake looks like before here
00:22:37 Quit akaias (Success)
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00:25:04LearYep, info added in 3.81.
00:25:40Lear(And I use 3.80 because I got lots of "clock skew detected" with 3.81...)
00:28:36amiconnThe gnu make manual doesn't state which functions work in which versions, bah
00:28:54andrewmelLear: see this
00:28:55LearYeah, had to go to the news file for that.
00:29:29*linuxstb_ has an iBook with make 3.80 but needs to upgrade to a newer xcode anyway...
00:30:23 Quit merbanan (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))
00:31:15Learandrewmel: In make 3.81, the Cygwin folks didn't bother with most/all patches they had before. Some of them were apparantly fixes for file datestamps.
00:31:35LearThe skew only happens for files created during build.
00:32:07andrewmelIt wasnt for me, I just read it about 5 mins before your post on clock skew :)
00:32:12amiconnmake is silent on 5 build servers out of 13:,,,,
00:32:45linuxstb_Yes, I'm running 3.80 on my build server...
00:33:18amiconnI don't get any clock skew warnings with make 3.81, be it on linux or cygwin
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00:33:28linuxstb_And my iBook has 3.79...
00:33:54linuxstb_So I assume I should upgrade?
00:34:43amiconnHmm, should we revert because of the old 'make' versions? That change gives a nice little build speedup for cygwin people (around 20%), but it obviously requires make 3.81+
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00:35:58amiconnSlight speedup on linux as well, of course
00:36:05preglowcan't we just see how possible it is to upgrade first?
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00:36:49*linuxstb_ does "apt-get install make"
00:38:16 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]")
00:39:14 Quit pagefault ("Leaving")
00:39:38 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault)
00:39:50preglowpagefault: how fares the spc codec?
00:40:05pagefaultalmost ready for testing
00:40:07pagefaultI am cleaning it up
00:40:24amiconnI only saw that clock skew warning once - at devcon, when the cvs server's clock was set incorrectly
00:40:41pagefaultsome SPC's are going to skip on slower ARM processors like the PP cores
00:41:04preglowthe pp cores?
00:41:09preglowall our current working arm targets are pp cores
00:41:12hcsstill, awesome
00:41:22pagefaultah well
00:41:36hcsand I'll be glad to see if I can make any improvements
00:41:36pagefaultall slow PP targets then
00:41:46preglowoptimising can fix that
00:41:50pagefaultat least until you guys get the other core figured out
00:42:18preglowjust get this thing ready and post a patch and we'll see what happens about that, heh
00:42:24pagefaultif other rockbox stuff was offloaded onto the second core it wouldn't skip
00:42:36preglowmp3 looked like a long shot a while ago too, now it doesn't even seem to use cpu
00:42:39preglowit decodes on love
00:42:56pagefaultyeah I just really need to clean this up
00:42:58dan_apreglow: You wouldn't say that if you had a 3G iPod
00:43:19pagefaultit only works on a h10 right now
00:43:22preglowdan_a: it doesn't provide libmad with a caring enough environment!
00:43:23pagefaultthats why I have to clean it up
00:43:34pagefaultbecause of the stupid way I implemented it
00:44:17pagefaultwhat was this resampling thing going on here the other day
00:44:27pagefaultbecause SPC's are really 32khz
00:45:02preglowresampling thing?
00:45:09preglowjust me talking about resampling, i guess
00:45:16 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:45:18preglowalso, the clicky resampler is the next thing i'll fix
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00:45:29pagefaultdo I need to resample to 44khz
00:45:36pagefaultor can I output at 32khz (works for me)
00:45:37hcspreglow: thanks! my 32KHz mp3s will be usable again!
00:45:38preglowthat'll be taken care of for you
00:45:42preglowpagefault: you can output whatever you like
00:46:03 Quit PaulJam (".")
00:46:44pagefaultstill a lot of work to be done but you can playback spcs
00:46:49pagefaultI want to add the tag support eventually
00:47:16Soapthe infamous South Park Codec?
00:47:19 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection)
00:47:38pagefaultand maybe support RSN files (rared spc files)
00:47:44pagefaultthere is a GPL rar 3.0 unrar lib
00:47:59andrewmelcan anybody think of a plugin that has a short ticking sound that I can pinch, besides the metronome?
00:48:11 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:48:20linuxstb_invadrox (in the patch tracker) has sound-effects stored as unsigned short arrays.
00:48:22hcspagefault: I'd be glad to do the tagging and rsn support, I was planning on adding them if you didn't yourself
00:48:24preglowpagefault: there is? i've never seen it
00:48:30pagefaultpreglow, it's new
00:48:34preglowpagefault: only gpl unrar lib i could find (unrarlib) didn't take 3,0
00:48:41preglowpagefault: that's rad, i need that for another project of mine
00:48:57Soapahh, SPC = SNES sounds.
00:48:59preglowpagefault: got a name for me?
00:49:06pagefaultlooking for a url for you
00:49:07pagefaulthold on
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00:49:26andrewmelthans linuxstb
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00:50:31pagefaultit's C++ though
00:50:58preglowmy other project is c++, so hurray!
00:51:13pagefaultanyway we finally have a GPL rar extractor
00:51:46pagefaultshould extract any rar 3.0 file
00:51:47preglowwell, we did before as well
00:51:51preglowbut that doesn't do 3.0
00:51:52pagefaultwell for 3.0 I mean
00:52:39pagefaulti'm not using his SPC player though
00:52:46pagefaulti'm using a moded libopenspc with latest sources
00:52:55pagefaultit's more accurate
00:53:48 Quit petur ("ZzzzZzzz")
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00:54:31pagefaultanyway I hope to finish the patch by the end of the weekend
00:54:36pagefaultand have it in the tracker
00:55:07pagefaulti've tested it on an ipod nano and h10
00:56:11pagefaultother players should have no problem with it either when I am done
00:56:30preglowpagefault: that thing just includes the unrar source code....
00:56:32preglowhardly gpl
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00:57:22preglowi don't know, though, if it's legal i guess it's ok
00:57:47pagefaultI dunno
00:57:54pagefaultI know a few GPL projects using it now
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00:58:58pagefaultspcs just need to play first
00:59:01pagefaultbefore any fancy stuff is done
00:59:12andrewmelare ipods a swcodec player?
00:59:36scorcheeverything but the archos devices are
01:00:26linuxstb_pagefault: Are you talking about this?
01:00:55linuxstb_That license doesn't look gpl-friendly to me...
01:01:01preglowlinuxstb_: it doesn't indeed
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01:01:44pagefaultit's in use by almost every GPL emulator now
01:01:53TerrorByteWhat does that do?
01:01:54linuxstb_Both "the code may not be used to develop a RAR (WinRAR) compatible archiver." and the "may not charge a fee" parts.
01:01:58TerrorByteExtract stff from a RAR???
01:02:23linuxstb_Most emulators infringe the GPL in some way...
01:03:14 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:03:19linuxstb_As in, a lot of emulators which claim they are GPL, use code from GPL incompatible projects.
01:03:35pagefaultfrom the license it looks BSD if all you are doing is using it to extract things
01:04:12 Quit nGs|GreyFox`afk ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs")
01:04:19linuxstb_It's mainly the "may not charge a fee" clause - you can't restrict GPL'd software in that way.
01:05:08pagefaultoh well
01:05:35pagefaultI was told it was GPL compatible
01:05:41pagefaultthats why I bought it up
01:05:44pagefaultbut if it's not
01:05:51pagefaultthen can't use it
01:06:01linuxstb_I would be happy to be proved wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's not.
01:06:06preglowthe other restrictions aren't friendly either
01:06:12preglownah, it's definitely not gpl compatible
01:06:20preglownot a chance
01:06:33pagefaultI wonder how LZMA does on SPC files
01:06:38pagefaultthat would be a better alternative to rar
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01:07:54hcswhat does 7zip use for unraring?
01:08:11pagefaultno clue
01:08:16pagefaultI think you need to put the dll in the directory of the program
01:08:21preglowi don't really care
01:08:24preglowspc files are tiny
01:08:28preglowaround 64k a piece
01:09:08hcsyeah, and uncompressed you don't have to worry about rockbox's inability to handle multitrack files smoothly
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01:10:18pagefaultit was just a consideration
01:10:59preglowyeah, sure
01:11:07preglowcompressed file handling does add new problems, though
01:11:14preglowsuch formats really should be handled by the core, and not the codecs
01:11:22pagefault7zip uses that unrar code
01:11:30pagefaultI guess it's violating the GPL too
01:11:32preglowbut anyway, it can come later, first lets see pure .spc playback
01:11:42preglowthat'll be enough to make me cartwheel across the floor
01:11:57TerrorByteHey guys...
01:12:03TerrorByteIs there any way to enter text while playing Doom?
01:12:07TerrorByteLike cheatcodes?
01:12:11TerrorByteiddqd idkfa!
01:12:46pagefaultgive me a few days and I will post a patch
01:13:34pagefaulta lot of the work was on the actual lib
01:13:37pagefaultto make it fast enough
01:14:02hcshave you tried my nsf patch at all?
01:14:12pagefaultyeah it works well
01:14:29preglowpagefault: what kind of changes have you had to make?
01:14:40hcsI've still got to get the floating point out of the FDS
01:14:52pagefaultpreglow, I had to turn off certain emulation features
01:14:59preglowpagefault: like what?
01:14:59pagefaultwhile keeping it as accurate as possible
01:15:09pagefaultvery basic cycle counting now
01:15:15jhMikeSI just did a build and it hardly said anything about what was going on. It probably a little too hush-hush now. :)
01:15:23 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:15:42hcsjhMikeS: make - There has been an Error.
01:15:49pagefaultsome code cleanup
01:15:51Kasperlethat's the license that comes with the unrar source, btw:
01:16:14pagefaultand stopping SPC execution during idle periods
01:16:22pagefaultcheap tricks to make it go faster
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01:17:00jhMikeSI like seeing what it's building when it actually compiles a changed source but it's not showing that.
01:17:14hcspreglow: I think the "free of charge" bit means there is no charge for using unrar
01:17:19pagefaultit should sound the same to you though
01:17:27pagefaultit just is no longer acceptable for an emulator
01:17:33hcser, I meant Kasperle:
01:17:36pagefaultfor a game that depending on certain SPC timing
01:17:52*jhMikeS likes subtle humor though ;)
01:18:31pagefaultlike reading from the SPC is completely disabled now
01:18:39pagefaultbecause nothing is ever going to do that so why waste time on it
01:19:06Kasperlehcs: yeah. they do restrict the use of that code to not recreate a rar packer, though, which is some other limitation, but that's about the only thing i could imagine making it gpl incompatible
01:19:37hcsKasperle: yeah, been rereading that to try and find another interpretation, but it seems like an unacceptable limitation
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01:19:59pagefaultyou can do the audit when I post the patch
01:20:03pagefaultif you want to include it or not
01:20:30Kasperlehcs: i do agree with you on the free of charge part
01:20:42pagefaultthe only SPC's it's not going to work on is ones like the tales of phantasia intro
01:20:49pagefaultwith the voices
01:21:23hcsI think that should be sufficiently awesome.
01:21:35pagefaultstuff like that is impossible to support
01:21:53pagefaultthey are streamed by the game by DMA
01:23:30TerrorByteSome of you guys are so skilled...
01:23:32pagefaultI also run all SPC's at PAL speed
01:23:42pagefaultit takes less power to execute
01:23:45TerrorByteCan't you guys incorporate strafing in Doom using multiple keys?
01:23:46pagefaultand has no affect on the SPC
01:27:02TerrorByteguess not?
01:27:23pagefaultthere is always the source you can change
01:27:47pagefaultthe whole point of doom on it to begin with is a joke
01:27:53pagefaultit's more of "hey we can run doom"
01:27:59pagefaultthan a practical application
01:28:17TerrorByteI for one am actually trying to play Doom on it.
01:28:24pagefaultwhat player do you have
01:28:36pagefaultI can hardly play it on my H10
01:28:41pagefaultthe controls are insane
01:28:46TerrorByteNot really.
01:28:48 Quit Psiuyo ()
01:28:50TerrorByteI can do everything except strafe.
01:28:53TerrorByteAll I need is strafing>
01:28:57TerrorByteAnd I have a great solution.
01:29:02TerrorByteJust that I can't incorporate it myself.
01:29:11pagefaultwhat buttons do you want to straife
01:29:23TerrorByteWhat I want to do is hold down the use key, and then press left or right to strafe.
01:29:35TerrorByteI went into debug and checked the I/O ports and it can be done.
01:29:43TerrorByteThe values are different if you have button combinations pressed.
01:29:53TerrorByteJust that I have no idea how to incorporate something like that.....
01:29:57pagefaulti'll look into it later
01:30:01TerrorByteBut it's possible.
01:30:04TerrorByteWill you really?
01:30:06pagefaultthe H10 has no proper key mappings for anything
01:30:18pagefaultit says push play to delete something
01:30:23pagefaultbut you push the use key
01:30:34TerrorByteYeah I've noticed that.
01:30:44pagefaultno one updated it for the h10
01:30:53TerrorByteI see.
01:30:56TerrorByteIs it very recent?
01:30:58TerrorByteIs that why?
01:31:01 Quit ender` (" Never say "Oooops" ... always say "Ahhh, interesting..."")
01:31:03pagefaultI think h10 support is of last monht
01:31:10pagefaultI mean month
01:31:14pagefaultat least official support
01:31:15TerrorByteWait H10 support came out last month?
01:31:21TerrorByteOnly been around for a month?
01:31:31pagefaultofficially I believe so
01:31:34pagefaultI could be wrong
01:32:02pagefaultit uses nearly the same hardware as the ipod mini
01:32:07pagefaultso the port was not hard tod o
01:32:09pagefaultto do
01:32:28TerrorByteI see.
01:32:31TerrorByteNever knew all this.
01:32:43pagefaultyou probably get the ipod mini text
01:33:04TerrorByteYou have the H10?
01:33:21TerrorByteWhich one do you have? And does it make a difference?
01:33:25TerrorByteI have the 20 GB.
01:33:28TerrorByteAre they any different?
01:33:35pagefaultthe screen is larger on the 20gb
01:33:39pagefaultand there is no UMS firmware for the 20gb
01:34:07TerrorByteNoticeable larger?
01:34:18pagefaultinstead of 128x128
01:34:24TerrorByteI see.
01:34:55pagefaultI got mine in the US
01:34:56TerrorByteBut the controls are all the same right?
01:34:57pagefaultso it was MTP
01:35:11pagefaultbut I flashed it to use UMS
01:35:38pagefaultafaik all h10 20gb are MTP
01:36:03TerrorByteYes they are.
01:36:12pagefaultit kinda sucks
01:36:19TerrorByteWhat's the difference?
01:36:21TerrorByteIs it firmware?
01:36:27TerrorByteBut we're using the Rockbox firmware right?
01:36:39pagefaultyou still have the built in firmware that handles the sync with the PC
01:36:44pagefaultthe bios
01:36:47pagefaultif you want to call it that
01:36:55pagefaultwith UMS you plug it in
01:36:56TerrorByteI see.
01:36:57pagefaultand it comes up as a drive
01:36:59TerrorByteWhat's the difference?
01:37:00pagefaultyou don't need media player
01:37:02TerrorByteAnd the MTP?
01:37:16pagefaultwith MTP you need media player to transfer
01:37:19TerrorByteBut if I run it in emergency mode, it's all the same.
01:37:26pagefaultemergency mode is UMS
01:37:45pagefaultI just don't need to do that trick on mine
01:37:48pagefaultsince it's a UMS device
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01:38:21pagefaultirivier should just release UMS firmware
01:38:43pagefaultI could care less about napster and playsforsure
01:38:50pagefaultor any DRM shit
01:38:58TerrorByteLOL SAME>
01:39:10TerrorByteCompletely useless crap.
01:39:23pagefaultthats the only reason it uses MTP
01:39:26pagefaultbecause they can enforce DRM
01:39:58TerrorByteDo the iPod Minis have video?
01:40:21TerrorByteI see.
01:40:23pagefaultI heard there is a plugin coming for the h10 for video
01:40:25pagefaultit gets about 24 fps
01:40:30pagefaultlast I heard
01:40:31TerrorByteThere is video for H10.
01:40:33TerrorByteBut no sound...
01:40:36TerrorByteYou mean with sound???
01:40:47pagefaultthere is video?
01:40:49pagefaultwhat kind of video?
01:40:56TerrorByteAs in video video.
01:41:02TerrorByteWhat other kind of video is there?
01:41:11pagefaultthere is video?
01:41:11TerrorByteRuns .m2v files.
01:41:12pagefaultI mean
01:41:16pagefaultoh mpeg2
01:41:21TerrorByteWhat do YOU mean?
01:41:25TerrorByteBecause I have no idea.
01:41:29pagefaultI wanted to know what codec
01:41:50pagefaulti'd rather just use my pocketpc for video
01:41:52TerrorByteYeah MPEG-2.
01:41:59linuxstb_...and MPEG-1
01:42:07TerrorByteNo sound though.
01:42:13TerrorByteSo it's pretty much useless right now..
01:42:16TerrorByteTell me something.
01:42:22TerrorByteIf video's been implemented.
01:42:27TerrorByteAnd sound with video is possible.
01:42:31TerrorByteHow come iRiver didn't do it?
01:42:45linuxstb_Ask iRiver...
01:42:45pagefaultlinuxstb, thx
01:43:08pagefaultask them where the support is too
01:43:13pagefaultthat was advertised on the box
01:43:21TerrorByteTell me something.
01:43:24TerrorByteWhat is Audible?
01:43:28pagefaultaudio books
01:43:30TerrorByteAnd AudibleFeast or whatever.
01:43:35TerrorByteI see.
01:43:45TerrorByteThere were folders for that in the original firmware I think.
01:43:54pagefaultyeah but they don't play the format
01:44:16***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:44:23pagefaultno vorbis
01:44:57TerrorByteI see.
01:45:03TerrorByteI just can't wait for sound with video.
01:45:07TerrorByteGotta go soon.
01:45:12 Quit obo ("bye")
01:45:17TerrorByteIf you get time, can you look into that strafing thing pagefault? :)
01:45:23pagefaulti'll look at it
01:45:29pagefaultbut I can't promise i'll understand it
01:45:46pagefaultI find new things in the source every day
01:45:57TerrorBytePaul said it was pretty easy.
01:46:04TerrorByteHe even told me which file would need editing.
01:46:08TerrorByteSomething like i_video.c
01:46:19TerrorByteI think he understands it well.
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01:46:31pagefaultand you want left/right to strafe
01:46:38pagefaultwhile holding down use
01:46:58pagefaultprobably makes sense
01:46:58TerrorByteThe values returned are different.
01:47:03pagefaulthow do you strafe right now
01:47:07TerrorByteSo the H10 does recognize multiple keys.
01:47:11TerrorByteCan't strafe.
01:47:14TerrorByteNot enough buttons :)
01:48:22pagefaultI just miss the tuner support
01:48:31pagefaultI am doing that after the SPC support
01:48:58TerrorByteYes, I want FM Radio and Recording incorporated soon.
01:49:01TerrorByteEspecially recording.
01:49:02pagefaultI already looked at it
01:49:08pagefaultit's going to be a mess to implement
01:49:12pagefaulteverything is ifdefed
01:49:20TerrorByteOkay hold on.
01:49:24TerrorByteWhat's going to be hard to implement.
01:49:27TerrorByteAnd what is ifdefed???
01:49:27pagefaultthe tuner
01:49:37pagefaultifdef is a compile directive
01:49:42pagefaultif something is defined then it does this
01:49:46pagefaultotherwise it does something else
01:49:53pagefaultas in defined which model of player it is
01:49:58TerrorByteHow about recording?
01:50:06pagefaultI have no idea
01:50:18pagefaultI have to figure out how the tuner works first
01:51:01pagefaulti'm not an official developer
01:51:05pagefaultI just idle here
01:51:46linuxstb_TerrorByte: There's a patch on the patch tracker for ipod and H10 recording...
01:52:09linuxstb_#6096 IIRC
01:52:12pagefaultrecording from what
01:52:24TerrorByteI mean voice recording.
01:52:39pagefaultI forgot it had a mic
01:52:47TerrorByteThe H10?
01:52:47blue_lizardif i want to build binutils for iriver what target should i use?
01:52:52TerrorByteThe H10 is supposed to have an amazing mic.
01:52:54TerrorByteAnd it does.
01:53:04blue_lizardm68k-elf m5206e?
01:53:15linuxstb_Just m68k-elf should be enough.
01:53:27linuxstb_(same for gcc)
01:53:36TerrorByteFor the H10.
01:53:44TerrorByteRecording using the mic hasn't been done, right?
01:54:01pagefaultit looks like it's only in patch form
01:54:38TerrorByteI think I'll wait until it's oficially been done.
01:54:39linuxstb_It's still a work-in-progress and isn't quite ready for CVS yet. I did the ipod work, and barrywardell extended it for the H10.
01:54:45TerrorByteI see.
01:54:54TerrorByteSo it's not too far away.
01:55:14pagefaultthats why I build my own firmware
01:55:17pagefaultso I can try stuff
01:55:55TerrorByteSo recording is coming soon...
01:56:05TerrorByteSound w/ video, uncertain.
01:56:13TerrorByteAnd strafing in Doom....
01:56:16TerrorByteAll I ask for.
01:56:24scorchejust be patient
01:56:26blue_lizardgcc: unrecognized option '-no-cpp-precomp' ??
01:56:37scorcheif anything, asking everyday doesnt help get it done faster
01:56:48blue_lizardgcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061026 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-18)
01:56:51pagefaultit's done when it's done
01:57:27dan_a(unless you offer sufficient bribes)
01:57:36TerrorByteBribes, eh...
01:57:40TerrorByteI don't think I can offer much anyways.
01:58:03scorchethen wait patiently and quit asking every day =)
01:58:20TerrorByteI haven't asked at all today.
01:58:25TerrorByteJust been inquiring about related things.
01:59:03scorcheasking for it, mentioning it, same thing
01:59:23scorcheit just gets on people's nerves when people do that ;)
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02:00:12scorcheand now back to your regularly scheduled dev-talk
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02:00:30pagefaultoh yay now I have edgy eft xchat
02:00:40pagefaultit looks exactly the same
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02:03:29linuxstb_blue_lizard: Is there a reason you're using the bleeding-edge gcc? I think 3.4.6 is recommended for Coldfire.
02:03:47blue_lizardlinuxstb: sorry it was my problem
02:03:59blue_lizardi set the option for OSX but i dont use osx
02:04:18blue_lizardthe version of the compiler is the version i build binutils with
02:04:42linuxstb_Ah, OK. Yes, OS X uses Apple-patched gcc versions.
02:04:43blue_lizardnot the version of binutils gcc that wil make the m68k code
02:04:55TerrorByteWell I gotta go for now...
02:05:18TerrorByteTry to get that strafing thing done if you have time pagefault :D
02:05:20TerrorByteLater all.
02:05:21blue_lizardi use that because it got installed im my debian sid chroot environment
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02:09:11blue_lizardthere is a small error in the wiki
02:09:20blue_lizard Build GCC
02:09:35blue_lizard /home/linus/build/gcc> ../../gcc-4.0.3/configure −−target=sh-elf −−prefix=/home/linus/sh1 −−enable-languages=c
02:09:47blue_lizardgcc-4.0.3 ist not allways true
02:10:28blue_lizardfor iriver 3.4.6 is suggested, some people may stumble upon
02:10:33scorcheand neither is /home/linus/sh1
02:10:42blue_lizardscorche: correct
02:11:03scorchebut if you think it should be changed, change it to something sutable...that is what a wiki is all about
02:11:15Bec2I have a 320, i think somehting broke with the bootloader, when turned on, it says bootloader and the version and the harddrive stops
02:11:17blue_lizard /home/linus/build/gcc <- but that is nothing an user inputs
02:11:31blue_lizardit is the prompt of the terminal
02:11:37scorche...i know
02:11:39Bec2and it still happens when I try to upgrade the firmware
02:11:50andrewmel#if means that the compiler will only include these parts if they are true?
02:12:40linuxstb_andrewmel: Strictly speaking it's the pre-processor that processing the # directives - so the compiler never even sees the code inside #if statements if the condition is false.
02:12:42scorcheblue_lizard: all that is needed is a little not that the prompt may change according to personal specifics or something like that
02:13:05blue_lizardmake[2]: m68k-elf-ar: Command not found
02:13:09blue_lizarddamed a new problem
02:13:59linuxstb_blue_lizard: Either you didn't do "make install" for binutils, or the bin directory isn't in your path.
02:14:40blue_lizardit is in bin/bin
02:15:12linuxstb_Did you include the /bin part in the −−prefix you passed to configure?
02:15:57blue_lizardyes i did
02:16:12linuxstb_That was the mistake.
02:16:15blue_lizardmy error
02:16:27blue_lizarddid that with binutils too
02:16:38blue_lizarddelete and start over
02:16:51linuxstb_No, you can carry on
02:16:59linuxstb_(if you can live with the odd directory structure)
02:17:11linuxstb_Just put /..../bin/bin/ in your path...
02:17:35linuxstb_As long as both binutils and gcc were configured with the same prefix, all should be well.
02:17:40blue_lizardno problrm i made a script of the commands till now
02:17:55blue_lizardso it is a no brainer
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02:25:37hcsodd, battery_bench seems to have given up well before the battery ran out
02:25:58amiconnDefine 'well before'
02:26:01hcsnvm, my mistake
02:26:11hcsseveral hours, but it wasn't battery_bench's fault
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02:26:58amiconnYou ran a plugin?
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02:27:59hcsamiconn: I don't think so, the closest I got was unplugging the headphones (iPod color).
02:28:15hcsand upon triple check the file is far too short
02:28:55blue_lizardhow long does it take for your ipod batery to get empty?
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02:29:14hcsthe test I ran today ran for 8 hours, I only have about 4:30 here
02:30:00blue_lizardmy h320 does it for 8h then it is empty
02:30:08blue_lizardh340 sorry
02:30:18hcsI mean the log went to 4 hours 30 minutes
02:30:28hcsI've gotten longer logs (over 6h) before
02:31:09hcsI'm going to see if the headphone jack detection has anything to do with it...
02:31:45blue_lizardheadphones a 'dumb'
02:32:09hcsI did view the playlist, could that have done something?
02:32:37blue_lizarddont know
02:33:18amiconnhcs: Very unlikely
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02:33:45hcsdoes it only write to the disk when the disk is being accessed anyway?
02:33:55hcsthe codec I was using uses very small files
02:33:59linuxstbDoesn't the playlist viewer use the plugin buffer?
02:34:11andrewmelIs it likely that older models will be removed from Rockbox at any time? Has this happened in the past?
02:34:14amiconnYOur playlist should be larger than the available ram
02:34:28amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, but only the part that's left free by the plugin
02:34:44amiconnThat is the reason why tsr plugins must not use plugin_get_buffer()
02:34:59linuxstbamiconn: Ah, OK.
02:35:12hcsso might it be that the disk was just not accessed in those last 4 hours?
02:35:36hcsthe last M/DA was 84
02:36:06amiconnjhMikeS: Wee, I have the PMU interrupt working on H300 :)
02:36:18blue_lizardandrewmel: as far as i read in the forum such thing happended
02:36:34amiconnA threshold of 2.40V is too high though, had to lower it to 2.20V to make it work
02:36:42blue_lizardbecaus the last maintainer and user has not had time fo rit
02:36:59amiconnNo target was removed from the rockbox sources so far
02:37:15amiconnAt least no target with a working port
02:39:22andrewmelthe most frustrating thing about coding is to leave off a ;
02:39:34amiconnNah, there are more
02:39:44andrewmelsuch as?
02:40:12amiconnLike not doing a full rebuild when source files containing a specific function changed, and the build system uses .a files...
02:40:18andrewmelI have had trouble recently forgetting to use == and using = instead. took me a while to find that
02:40:51andrewmelwhat are .a files?
02:41:18andrewmel<newb mode in full swing>
02:41:29blue_lizardon linux afaik that are static libraries
02:41:41scorcheeven more frutrating is that you realize that you cleaned and updated your source to test that the patch applies fine, when you forgot to make the patch...
02:42:16linuxstbOr editing a file in one copy of the Rockbox source, and compiling another...
02:42:54scorcheat least you didnt have all of your changes reverted ;)
02:44:01linuxstbThat's why I have lots of source trees..
02:44:42*amiconn mostly codes in one single source tree
02:44:45scorchei just had to resave it form my editor, and it was fine though
02:45:13andrewmelhmmm. I still just have the one, but every so often I put a copy of the file I am working on into a directory on the desktop....
02:45:17amiconnOthers just exist for testing, preferably on another machine in order to lessen confusion
02:47:18amiconnSpeedup from the PMU interrupt patch on H300: ~2% at 124MHz, ~3.5% at 45 MHz
02:47:34amiconn11 MHz still untestable :(
02:47:47andrewmelsndbuf isnt some sort of reserved identifier is it?
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02:48:09andrewmelI can do this cant I
02:48:11andrewmelshort sndbuf[sizeof(tick_sound)*2];
02:48:23andrewmelshort sndbuf2[sizeof(ding_sound)*2];
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02:49:50linuxstbandrewmel: sizeof() is a C function, not a pre-processor function, so no.
02:50:23andrewmelno, I cant do it?
02:50:48linuxstbYou can't do it.
02:51:23andrewmelThis line is from the original
02:51:24andrewmelshort sndbuf[sizeof(tick_sound)*2];
02:51:45linuxstbWhat original?
02:51:53andrewmelfrom metronome.c
02:52:06linuxstbMaybe I'm talking nonsense then...
02:52:12hcsI don't recall getting a clear answer, if the hard drive wasn't never accessed before the battery ran out could I have potentially lost a few hours of battery_bench records?
02:52:22hcs*was never
02:52:24andrewmelit looks to me like it makes a short that is twice the size of tick_sound
02:52:41andrewmelIt calls that short sndbuf
02:52:42hcssizeof() is a C operator
02:52:58andrewmelSo is my understanding correct so far?
02:53:31linuxstbhcs: Yes, I believe battery_bench only writes when the disk spins up naturally.
02:53:55Soapor on a time interval
02:54:06hcsSoap: what's that interval?
02:54:11SoapI don't recall the time interval, but I believe it is every 15 mins.
02:54:18Soapit's on the BB wiki page.
02:54:35linuxstbandrewmel: What's the error gcc is giving?
02:54:42Soapscratch that 15 min shit, I don't know where I got that number.
02:54:58andrewmelmetronome.c: In function 'prepare_tock':
02:54:59andrewmelmetronome.c:1207: error: syntax error before ')' token
02:54:59andrewmelmetronome.c: At top level:
02:54:59DBUGEnqueued KICK andrewmel
02:54:59andrewmelmetronome.c:1211: error: syntax error before '}' token
02:54:59andrewmelmetronome.c: In function 'prepare_ding':
02:54:59***Alert Mode level 1
02:54:59andrewmelmetronome.c:1216: error: syntax error before ')' token
02:55:01andrewmelmetronome.c: At top level:
02:55:03andrewmelmetronome.c:1220: error: syntax error before '}' token
02:55:05andrewmelmake[2]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-devel/make_ipod5g/apps/plugins/metronome.o] Error 1
02:55:07andrewmelmake[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2
02:55:09andrewmelmake: *** [all] Error 2
02:55:44andrewmeland lines 1199 - 1211 are
02:55:46andrewmelshort sndbuf[sizeof(tick_sound)*2];
02:55:47andrewmelshort sndbuf2[sizeof(ding_sound)*2];
02:55:47andrewmelvoid prepare_tock(void)
02:55:47***Alert Mode level 2
02:55:48hcsSoap: it says an hour on the wiki, but I lost more than an hour's worth of records
02:55:49andrewmel int i;
02:55:51andrewmel for(i = 0;i < (int)sizeof(tick_sound)/2;i+) {
02:55:53andrewmel sndbuf[i*2] = tick_sound[i];
02:55:55andrewmel sndbuf[i*2+1] = tick_sound[i];
02:55:57andrewmel }
02:56:40hcsandrewmel: i+?
02:56:42linuxstbandrewmel: The problem is the "i+". It should be i++ ( I guess)
02:56:59Soaphcs, you can easilt lose the last hour as there isn't enough power to spin the drive.
02:57:15hcsSoap: yeah, I can appreciate that, but I'm missing 4 hours
02:57:31andrewmelthanks :)
02:57:31SoapWhat I did when I did my battery tests was to do it once, and use that time to know when to start monitoring.
02:57:39andrewmeldont know where that little + went
02:57:55SoapYou could also plug your player into the line-in jack of your soundcard, and record, so you know exactly when it died.
02:58:28hcsSoap: true, I was listening to it anyway, and I remember when I started so I have a rough estimate, I'd just like to have the hard facts
02:59:25andrewmelI will pass (sndbuf and tick_sound) or (sndbuf2 and ding_sound) as parameters when tidy up :)
02:59:41hcsah well, tomorrow is another day, I'll make a point of peeking at the file browser once an hour or so next time
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02:59:59TerrorByteWow, Doom Plutonia is so damn hard.
03:00:22linuxstbTerrorByte: I know what you need...
03:00:38TerrorByteLol what linuxstb?
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03:00:55*scorche sighs
03:01:33*linuxstb wonders what happened to the Doom author
03:01:41TerrorByteI'm lost.
03:02:11amiconnhcs: battery_bench writes every hour when the disk doesn't spinup before - but only when no music is playing. If music is playing but disk doesn't spin, it will never write
03:02:47hcsamiconn: yeah, that must have been the trick, I was testing the NSF player
03:03:10amiconnbattery_bench.c lines 262..269
03:03:21TerrorByteFine, don't tell me.
03:03:30z0deWho wants to reccomend a theme for an x5/
03:04:00hcsamiconn: ah, cool, I'll just take those extra conditions out, then
03:04:01TerrorByteWow, there are human commandos, revenants and other crap to face just in the first level.
03:05:03TerrorByteYeah, Mancubuses as well.
03:05:07scorcheTerrorByte: honestly, i dont care...and i doubt anyone else in this channel does
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03:05:31amiconnhcs: If you remove the first part of the condition (with all that #ifdefing), it should always write after an hour with no spinup
03:05:48***Alert Mode OFF
03:05:58z0dewhy are certain themes incompatable with the newest daily build?
03:06:00hcsamiconn: yes, that was my intention, and I think I'll be shortening the timeout to 30 minutes, as well
03:06:38scorchez0de: any such themes should say so
03:06:44andrewmelz0de, some themes need extra patches (e.g. the album art patch) that have not yet been committed to the current version
03:07:00scorcheand it is because they use patches that add features or something else that...yeah
03:07:26z0decan i safly patch the daily build with a suggested patch (link in theme)
03:07:43z0deim looking at blackglass for the x5
03:07:55scorcheif the patch is synced with cvs, yes
03:08:09scorcheyou will find out when you try to patch it
03:08:27Jack_When I try to run bmp2rb to generate the image 'code' to put in a different file, how come it appears badly when I try to display it on my Sansa e250?
03:08:31z0deive never patched before
03:09:17andrewmelz0de, I suggest this tutorial
03:09:36z0dethanks for that.
03:09:45andrewmelor download a build with the patches applied. see this forum
03:10:41z0denothing for the x5 there
03:11:43linuxstbJack_: What "-f" option are you using? And what do you mean by "appears badly" ?
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03:31:12Kitt0spatch −−dry-run −−binary -p0 < patchfilename
03:31:14Kitt0sthis cmd works?!?
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03:31:41scorchewell, it tests if it is going to work
03:31:55Kitt0sso nice
03:34:24myzarWHAT WORKS
03:39:08z0dehow would i go about making my own theme?
03:40:26andrewmelz0de, I would download a simple theme, open the .wps file and look at it along with this page
03:40:51andrewmeland this tutorial
03:41:05andrewmelthey will let you know what can be done, and how to do it.
03:42:29z0deill let you know if anything comes of it.
03:42:47Soapyea, the best bet is to start simple, play, then make the WPS of your dreams after you have successfully made some damn boring ones.
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03:49:54z0decan someone send me the font helvR10 its not in the fonts section on the site.
03:50:25andrewmelif you go here
03:50:31andrewmeland do a search for fonts
03:50:50andrewmelyou will find a link to the fonts package. it is no longer included with the cvs
03:51:11scorchethe link is on the daily builds page among other places
03:51:20z0deim asking so meny nooby questions today, next time just tell me to rtfm
03:51:24z0dethanks thou
03:51:55andrewmelrtfm :)
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04:03:31Jack_Sorry about the delay. From:
04:03:33Jack_[21:11] linuxstb: Jack_: What "-f" option are you using? And what do you mean by "appears badly" ?
04:03:33Jack_I didn't add the "-f" option since the player (SanDisk Sansa e200) wasn't listed there
04:08:26Jack_By "appears badly" I mean the logo barely appears at all, meaning at the very top, I see about 10 pixels, possibly saying ROCKbox, then some 'noise' followed by about 20 pixels of a pale "line" followed by more noice
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04:11:59Jack_Any suggestions?
04:12:01linuxstbJack_: Try using "-f 5" - that's the option defined for bmp2rb for the Sansa in tools/configure
04:12:14linuxstbIf not, try -f 4.
04:12:22linuxstbIt should be one of those two.
04:12:32Jack_Ok, trying -f 5 now
04:17:38Jack_I'm in luck
04:17:47Jack_I tried -f 4 first, and it worked :D
04:18:03Jack_Thanks linuxstb
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04:20:03Jack_I'm gonna head out for the night
04:20:24Jack_Thanks again linuxstb ;)
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04:40:43andrewmelJust to make sure, the iPod is a SWCODEC player isnt it?
04:48:54linuxstbYes. Only the Archos targets are HWCODEC.
04:52:41andrewmelit feels like I am close to getting it, but the bloody thing is crashing sometimes when I attempt to get it to go
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18:36:18Soapor an eight gig CF card.
18:36:56TerrorByteWell I gotta go for now.
18:37:01TerrorByteA lot of work to do.
18:37:08TerrorByteDon't want any distractions.
18:38:23Stalwarti press "next" and file window scrolls right, no menu
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18:40:29markunStalwart: that's normal
18:40:42Stalwartcrwl: said there's filemanager menu
18:42:12markunon my player (iriver H120) you need to hold the 'select' button
18:42:32Stalwartah, found
18:42:40Stalwarton ipod it's center button
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18:44:15Guest101011That's me.....
18:44:22Stalwartuse ghost command
18:44:23Guest101011But yeah, something screwed up.
18:44:38Soapuse /msg nickserv ghost TerrorByte <password>
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18:44:50Stalwarti found a bug?
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18:45:09Stalwartwhen i enter filebrowser, then menu i can't get back to WPS anymore
18:45:14markunTerrorByte: didn't you want to leave anyway?
18:45:29TerrorByteHad to say this:
18:45:33SoapStalwart - from menu you can toggle out of menu with the menu button is BACK UP! :)
18:45:47SoapStalwart from the file browser you get to the WPS with the play button on your ipod.
18:45:47StalwartSoap: and i return to file broswer
18:46:01Soapfile tree is where you launched the menu from.
18:46:11TerrorByteThe channel topic should be changed.
18:46:14Stalwartsomeone (me?) should work on usability
18:46:18Soapif you launch the menu from the WPS menu will exit you to the WPS.
18:46:28SoapStalwart - where is the usability problem?
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18:46:47Stalwartcontrols aren't intuitive
18:47:01Soaplets start this, be specific...
18:47:28Stalwarti don't like the menu and filebrowser seaparation
18:47:39Stalwartmenu should be called from filebrowser only
18:48:01Stalwarti don't like next/prev menu navigation on ipod, it isn't ergonomic
18:48:15TerrorByteYay, is backup. :D
18:48:24Stalwarti don't like menu structure - i want to remake it
18:48:26SoapYou would make me exit the WPS to the file tree, THEN to the menu?
18:48:42Stalwarti want ME to do this that way
18:48:49Soapusing forward and back buttons isn't ergonomic?
18:48:58Stalwartyes, it isn't at all
18:49:11Stalwartat least on ipod
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18:52:14SoapI'll shush markun.
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19:13:29linuxstbStalwart: It sounds like you just want to mimic the Apple firmware?
19:17:46Stalwartit sounds like i don't like non-intuitive stuff
19:18:09Stalwartthat's why i don't like microsoft software and drugs
19:18:38markundrugs are not intuitive??
19:18:46SUSaiyani was about to say that
19:19:18linuxstbStalwart: I'm just asking... Are you wanting to recreate the Apple firmware?
19:20:02*SUSaiyan prefers the apple controls to the default rockbox one
19:20:32*markun doesn't know how either works on the ipods
19:20:56linuxstbThe Apple firmware is basically just a single menu, and everything (including WPS) is a screen in that menu.
19:21:39markunlinuxstb: I have been thinking of doing that for rockbox as well :)
19:21:49SUSaiyani like that more :)
19:21:52bluebrotherhmm. Rockbox is intuitive, it just needs a bit more learning.
19:21:53linuxstbSo on one hand it's simple, but it can be annoying to have to navigate up and down the menus to do things, and there are no shortcuts between screens.
19:22:22Genre9mp3Simplicity isn't always good... it can get boring too
19:22:27markunwhat does the menu button do? Bring you to the main menu?
19:22:29SUSaiyanthere are shortcuts in rockbox?
19:22:36bluebrotherit's a bit like some open source programs ... you need to learn a bit more but afterwards it's way more logical than the "usual" stuff.
19:22:49Genre9mp3Rockbox is very intuitive... just get used to it (and to the idea)
19:23:01linuxstbbluebrother: On the ipod, the problem is the lack of buttons, which makes it hard to find consistent keymappings that work on all screens. e.g. there is no "cancel" or "back" button - the Apple firmware uses MENU for that purpose, but Rockbox uses MENU to enter the main menu...
19:23:38Soapyea, changing key assignments in Ipod Rockbox alone won't work worth a dang, as rockbox has (let's call it) 2 trees and 1 static destination (the WPS) whereas the Apple firmware consists of one tree.
19:23:41Genre9mp3The lack of buttons is a problem in general for iPods
19:24:25TeaSeaYeah every time I get an ipod i'm like "Wait how the fuck do I use this?"
19:24:31Soapchanging button assignments wont be enough, because since the filetree and menu are seperate entities, there needs to be a way to toggle between them, and using apple firmware button assignments doesn't give you one.
19:24:36markunme too :)
19:24:37TeaSeaThings just aren't intuitive.
19:25:44SoapAt least with Apple rockbox the buttons do what their label says they do. Menu takes you in and out of the menu. Play takes you to the whilePlayingscreen, and forward and back always take you forward and back in the tree, be it the file tree or the menu tree.
19:27:47Genre9mp3heh... speaking of iPods have you seen this? :
19:28:55Genre9mp3actually, this is a better link:
19:29:17daurn|laptopGenre9mp3: seen it
19:30:10blue_lizardsorry for my opinion but think that thing is sh*t
19:30:27blue_lizarda to to be sold good thats all
19:30:40Genre9mp3I think that if they follow this path, things are going to be even worse!
19:30:50blue_lizardmulti-functional hand-held devices <- rofl
19:31:18blue_lizardas more a thing gets multifunctional a more problems you have with it
19:31:31Genre9mp3unecessary complex IMO
19:31:32SoapI expect if they release a video player it will be an additional model, not a replacement for the current 5.5G
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19:32:14blue_lizardwould this thing even be able to playback mp3s?
19:32:33blue_lizardit will do alot of things i know
19:32:35Soapwhich makes many of the complaints moot, as it won't be deisgned to be an "ipod plus" but an entirely different device.
19:33:11blue_lizardsensitive have allway been a technikal problem
19:33:20Genre9mp3It seems that DAPs are not so DAPs anymore... pity
19:33:21blue_lizardsensitive surfaces have allway been a technikal problem
19:33:33Genre9mp3DAP =Digital AUDIO Player ;)
19:33:55blue_lizardthey are ok in meeting on the desk but in normal life they tend to be to sensitiv or too unsensitive
19:34:21blue_lizardwill they deliver an pen too for that thing?
19:34:55Stalwartmultifunctional deviced must die! *kicks pocketpc lying on the floor*
19:35:28blue_lizardthey should not die but there are two things i really dont want multifunctional
19:35:36blue_lizardmy phone and my mp3player
19:36:13Stalwarti want my multifunctional pda to be more functional =P
19:36:25Stalwartit just sucks in every task it can do
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19:37:44blue_lizardApple to release two iPhone models, one with WiFi <- wifi?
19:37:52blue_lizardthe next targe for ddos
19:38:32blue_lizard iPod-based cell phone models <- i knew it
19:39:01Stalwartphone plugin for rockbox? =P
19:39:08blue_lizardthen you need to buy music from itunes and it get billed on your phone costs
19:42:50lexno pictures of iphone? :(
19:44:54blue_lizardpictures? oh we need to mail apple the thing also need a camera
19:45:15blue_lizardat least 5mp and 10x optical zoom
19:46:08Stalwartand coffee maker
19:47:08thegeekI hate cameraphones
19:47:10thegeekfucking stupid
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19:52:42SUSaiyaneh, heres a question, will rockbox automaticly adjust to daylight savings time?
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19:53:33z0dei request that someone should make it do that.
19:53:46SUSaiyanbefore 3 am tonight please :P
19:54:21z0dechop chop :P
19:54:29bluebrotherI request a coffee maker plugin :-P
19:54:40Stalwartit's hardware feature
19:54:41Soapthat would also require a hardware calandar as well as clock.
19:54:52SUSaiyanan ipod has both
19:55:10linuxstbAll targets with an RTC know the date as well as time.
19:55:31bluebrotherI'd rather suggest adding a timezone setting and running the RTC with UTC.
19:55:51bluebrotherbut as my player doesn't has a RTC I don't mind ;-)
19:56:09SoapI did not know all targets with a RTC also knew the date. I'll be damned.
19:56:16oboreal time clock
19:56:42z0deas apposed to a fake time clock?
19:56:56blue_lizardyes rtc is areal wonder of modern technology
19:57:11bluebrotherhow would you fake the current time?
19:57:23blue_lizardthe clock is allwys to quick or to slow but who cares
19:57:24z0deso really whats makes a time clock real
19:57:30Soapz0de as compared to a clock like in your vcr which starts anew every time it gets powered on.
19:57:33SUSaiyanby putting 2430ms in 1 second?
19:57:45z0dethanks Soap
19:58:05z0dertc remembers
19:58:08*dan_a recognises bits of a string on the Sansa flash
19:58:17SUSaiyandoesnt it need power to remember?
19:58:21blue_lizardrtc does not remember
19:58:30peturz0de: rtc = clock that can keep 'world' time. non-realtime clock = internal clock with no real reference (ie start counting on power-on)
19:58:30Soapyes, it is always running.
19:58:32bluebrotheran RTC is a clock
19:58:36blue_lizardit has an battery and runs while the main uinit is powered off
19:58:48*petur learns to read before typing
19:58:49bluebrotherit's similar to the way your PC keeps the time when powered off
19:58:55SUSaiyanand what if the battery dies :P
19:59:03blue_lizardthen the clock is dead
19:59:04obobye bye clock
19:59:25blue_lizardwill happen on every device somewhere between 8-10 years
19:59:30SUSaiyanthankfully it needs very little power
19:59:30Soapexcept your PC has a clock backup battery, and I don't believe the ipod does, the RTC runs off the primary battery pack.
19:59:34bluebrotherin the case of your PC you need to replace a battery. There are devices you can't swap that battery.
19:59:43z0dehappened to my saturn so i got a new battery
19:59:50SUSaiyanthe ipod doesnt really need one does it?
20:00:04peturactually, I think the rtc chip just takes its power from the main battery - no separate backup-battery
20:00:05bluebrotherthe ipod has its main battery pack, so it doesn't need one
20:00:08SUSaiyanunless you dont charge it for a very long time
20:00:11blue_lizardz0de: go to saturn and tell that those bastards
20:00:32blue_lizardbut you should at least search for an woman
20:00:47blue_lizardmaybe she looks good then you at leas have something to watch to
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20:02:12z0deso for my clock to remember i need to go to a different planet in search of a mate?
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20:03:32blue_lizardi would say if the clock dies your device will be technically outdated anyway
20:05:01z0dethe saturn is still good
20:05:39SUSaiyanwhats the nano's battery capacity anyway?
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20:27:04Davide-NYCjhMikeS: I wanted to make sure your patch is still in sync with CVS. I'm going to the studio in four hours.,
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20:27:35Davide-NYC24/96 optical SPDIF. nice.
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20:28:55dan_aWoo-hoo! I'm getting somewhere with the Sansa disk driver!
20:29:34Davide-NYCjhMikeS: Are you around?
20:30:01SUSaiyansoo does anyone know what the nano's battery capacity is?
20:30:24Davide-NYCIt seems I can't test "garbage" sample rates. Which in my opinion is a good thing since they are useless for anything 'audio' related if you use my definitions.
20:30:27Davide-NYC32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz
20:30:29Davide-NYCthat's it
20:30:45Davide-NYCthe last two being the ones of interest.
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20:36:43Stalwartoh yeah, aac decoder is damn slow
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20:37:12lostlogicInteresting, the ability to sleep threads stops working after 1/2 as much runtime as when the current_tick wraps... and if I make the changes I'm working on to the scheduler, that'll become 1/4 (at 100 hz, that's still 62 days, if I calculate right)
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20:40:52Stalwarthow to convert .pcf fonts to rockbox's .fnt?
20:41:24dan_aCould anyone tell me about ata_read_sectors? Is the start parameter the sector number of the first sector to read?
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20:59:19*Vulcan is trying to compile rockbox for the first time
21:01:19*Stalwart is trying to make WPS that doesn't suck
21:01:51Vulcanhah, for what platform?
21:02:03Stalwartipod nano
21:02:33Vulcanah, if you need any help I would love to assist
21:03:00VulcanI can do graphics, but I've never actually triedm aking a wps
21:03:03Stalwarti'm reading wps making guide now
21:03:13Vulcanany ideas on what you want it to look like?
21:03:42Stalwartlike gnome
21:04:02Stalwartbar on top, bar on bottom, otehr stuff centered
21:05:39Vulcanyou should look into using the julius patches
21:05:45Vulcanso you can use different font sizes
21:06:01Stalwarti don't need it
21:06:14VulcanI think it makes a big impact on how it looks
21:06:21Stalwarti like visual info like icons and progressbars
21:06:36VulcanI mean for litk the artist and title information though
21:06:45Vulcanit shoudl generaly be bigger than say the playback time
21:07:20Stalwarti'll keep it for 0.2 =P
21:08:29VulcanI'm totaly lost as to what I am doign with compiling this
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21:09:34Stalwartcan i make comments in .wps?
21:09:55Stalwart# never mind
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21:14:48lostlogicSlasheri: what do you think of this: <−− I think it's a bit nicer way to do scheduler boost control, more useful in cases outside of playback (games perhaps?)
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21:16:24Vulcanis there a simpler compiling/patching guide somewhere?
21:16:36VulcanI'm failing to understand whats going on there following the wiki
21:18:11Rincewindare you looking at the page simple guide to compiling?
21:18:21mvo2try the debian vmware image for compiling
21:19:32Vulcanmvo2, thats what I'm using
21:19:45VulcanI'm finding debian to be confusing in itself
21:20:07Vulcanwhat little linux experience I have is in ubuntu
21:20:25VulcanRincewind, is it in the wiki?
21:20:40Rincewindyes, just search for SimpleGuideToCompiling
21:20:40Vulcanfoudn it.
21:21:37Vulcanwill this work the same within debian?
21:22:33mvo2well, allmost the same.
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21:24:04Kitt0scan rockbox show PPT?
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21:24:30markunKitt0s: no
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21:24:42Kitt0sy not ?:|
21:24:45Kitt0sit should!!
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21:25:01markunKitt0s: powerpoint, right?
21:25:06Genre9mp3power point presentations? hah!
21:25:08Vulcanerm.. powerpoint?!
21:25:12Kitt0syea yea
21:25:15Kitt0sit should
21:25:18Vulcanthe point of that would be?
21:25:18Kitt0swould be so c00l
21:25:21Genre9mp3it should not
21:25:38Vulcanon the ipods with video out mayyybe it woudl be useful
21:25:49Vulcanbut other than that it woudl be a waste
21:26:05markunKitt0s: just take screenshots of your sheets and vieuw them with the jpeg viewer :)
21:26:07Vulcanand I'm honestly not sure that it woudl even be possible on in that situation anyway
21:26:07VyathSay, does anyone know if there's support for USB charging on the X5 planned for Rockbox?
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21:27:56VyathI'll take that as a no?
21:28:08markunVyath: does it work with the original firmware?
21:28:15VulcanI would assume it will be done eventually Vyath
21:28:23Vulcanjust a matter of time
21:28:38markunyes, I don't see how you can think we wouldn't want to support it
21:29:03VyathI've been browsing through the forums the past couple of days to avoid asking silly questions that were asked already and couldn't find any post about it - thats's all
21:29:21Vulcancan someone tell me what the difference between the rockbox/ and rockbox-devel/ folders are
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21:30:46VyathOverall I think Rockbox is brilliant, and I haven't encountered any major bugs on the daily x5 version so I reckon that's the only thing keeping it from being 100% superior to the original crappy cowon firmware
21:31:45Paul_the_NerdVyath: Things usually aren't planned, but the exceptions are "hardware features", things the hardware is 'supposed' to do. Those are usually planned, though there's no timeline.
21:32:14VulcanI'm hopping to actually get involved in the project once I figure out compiling
21:32:35VulcanI know C++ and Java, so hopefully I can actually make some controbutions
21:32:57Vulcanjust a matter of figuring out the basics of how it all works
21:33:28VyathVulcan: and submitting your device to alpha-testing abuse, that is :)
21:34:21Vulcansomeone still needs to come up with some good software for syncing my library
21:34:41Vulcanmediamonkey works but its bloated
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21:44:19Vulcanokay, I give up on using debian.. I'm goign to try the cygwin route
21:45:36Soapwhat is it about debian which throws you?
21:45:58VulcanI'm having alot of trouble visualizing where everything is
21:46:14VulcanI'm not used to doing eveything through a command prompt
21:46:40Paul_the_NerdWell cygwin's exactly the same in that context.
21:47:01Vulcanbut, I can still use explored to get my berrings
21:47:16Soapwindows explorer?
21:47:47hcsI assume the vmware image is the bare minimum and doesn't include anything graphical, like, say, Nautilus?
21:48:04Bagderit runs samba so you can "explore" it anyway
21:48:16Paul_the_Nerdthis is true
21:48:24VulcanI saw that samba was included, but I'm not familiar with it
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21:48:36Paul_the_NerdI use ConText on windows to browse and edit the files in the Debian VMWare.
21:48:50Stalwarthey, i can't get backdrop to work
21:49:05Paul_the_NerdVulcan: Just pretend like it's a computer on your network named Debian with a login and password the same as logging into the image. Access it via \\Debian\User (User is where your files are)
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21:49:46mvo2samba is preconfigured, just type "//debian"
21:50:18mvo2oops \\debian like paul said
21:50:23Stalwart 6 backdrop: /.rockbox/wps/nanology/nanology.bmp
21:50:28Stalwartwhy it doesn't work?
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21:52:54Vulcanwould winscp work?
21:53:53Paul_the_NerdVulcan: I don't even know what that is... you can access the files just by browsing to them in explorer.
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21:54:05BagderVulcan: sure, if you run sshd on the vmware side
21:54:18markunPaul_the_Nerd: he wants secure file copy.. you never know :)
21:54:19Bagderwith the sftp extension enabled
21:54:54Vulcanwell, how do I get windows to pick up the samba share Paul_the_Nerd?
21:55:20Paul_the_NerdVulcan: Start->Run \\Debian\
21:55:33Paul_the_NerdVulcan: Or browse to it via the "Network Neighborhood" or whatever they're calling it these days
21:55:35Paul_the_NerdMy Network Computers?
21:55:37Paul_the_NerdSomething like that.
21:55:46VulcanI had already looked there
21:55:59Vulcanbut, \\Debian\ worked
21:55:59Soap"My Network Places"
21:56:33Paul_the_NerdBagder: I noticed something on the Forum Stats today. The e200 thread has more views than the "Senab's Build" unsupported build thread. Apparently it is a quite popular player, or at least has generated a lot of interest
21:57:03Bagderhopefully it means we'll get some new developers if we get rockbox to run on it
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21:57:44BagderI got a great email on a related topic today
21:57:50Bagder"I kill my sansa e250 player, may be you help me ?"
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21:58:28Paul_the_Nerd"I'm sorry, but contract killing is illegal in my country of residence"
21:58:32BagderI'm becoming the general guy to email with whatever that can be related to the sansa e200
21:59:01Vulcanargh I need another monitor or something
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21:59:34Vulcanquestion, on the samba share I see 'homes' and 'user'
21:59:44Paul_the_NerdUser is where your files are
21:59:48Paul_the_NerdSince your username is 'user'
21:59:54Vulcanboth of them have the 'rockbox' and 'rockbox-devel' folders
21:59:57linuxstbStalwart: Is nanology.bmp a 176x132 24-bit bitmap?
22:00:03*petur discovers that rockbox and Bagder's page are on page 2 when googling for sansa e200 :)
22:00:15Stalwartlinuxstb: got it to work already
22:01:20Paul_the_NerdVulcan: Really they're the same folder in this context, either will work
22:01:25linuxstbpetur: Not for me... What did you search for?
22:01:34Stalwartwhere's docs about theme files?
22:01:54peturlinuxstb: just sansa e200 (but this is
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22:03:02petursame on
22:03:35ircleuser!seen dj-fu
22:03:38ircleuserseen dj-fu
22:03:41ircleuser.seen dj-fu
22:04:43ircleusermyzar hi2u -.-
22:04:43linuxstbpetur: I must have been blind...
22:05:23Stalwartis there an RSS feed for changelog?
22:05:43Bagderthere's a RSS feed for commit mails
22:05:53Stalwartwhere it is?
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22:07:50cowonx5_iriverh3I just bought an iRiver h340
22:07:59ircleusermyzar u there?
22:08:23peturcowonx5_iriverh3: I would never have guassed :p
22:08:31peturguessed even
22:08:44cowonx5_iriverh3yeah my nick kinda says it :P
22:08:48preglowlostlogic: might very well be a nice idea, that
22:09:14cowonx5_iriverh3$250 shipped
22:09:19cowonx5_iriverh3(used though)
22:09:26ircleuseru knw what u need?
22:09:37ircleuserbuy 1,000 shares of Comcast!
22:09:42ircleuserits mad money
22:09:48ircleuserup 60%
22:10:02Kick(#Rockbox ircleuser :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
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22:10:28Bagderone more crap from you and you're banned
22:10:43Stalwartautorejoin after kick is lame, you should be banned for this only!
22:10:44ircleuseralright srry mate.
22:11:13Stalwarti can't find doc about theme file structure
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22:11:39cowonx5_iriverh3anybody tired of always buying a new DAP every year? I know I am :(
22:11:52preglowthen don't
22:11:58preglowhell, my first dap was the h120, and i've still got that
22:12:05preglowplus a nano, of course...
22:12:11Stalwartcowonx5_iriverh3: last year i killed 4 DAPs
22:12:26cowonx5_iriverh3I guess we abuse them too much
22:12:26ircleuseri like the new nano, its revolutionized ;D
22:12:29Stalwartnow i bought nano, it seems tougher
22:12:40ircleuserits slick
22:12:48Stalwartnew nano doesn't run rockbox, therefore it sucks
22:12:55cowonx5_iriverh3preglow, but I have to have my music with me ;)
22:13:03ircleuserwhy not?
22:14:02cowonx5_iriverh3from (Nano 2nd gen and Video 5.5th gen are not supported)
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22:14:24cowonx5_iriverh3so yeah, I guess it's yet to be developed on or is an impossible target to develop on
22:14:33ircleuseris it cuz of the nano, or rockbox not updated?
22:14:41ircleuserah ic
22:14:54*Vulcan finally got a patch to sort of apply
22:14:56Vulcansort of
22:16:22linuxstbcowonx5_iriverh3: Nano 2nd gen - very hard port. The new 5gs - relatively straightforward.
22:16:42Vulcanare the new nanos really that different hardware wise?
22:16:54ircleuserdont think so
22:17:10linuxstbAbout as similar to the old Nanos as the Zunes will be.
22:17:27ircleuserMFTS sucks
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22:19:26Paul_the_NerdFor most purposes, the new Nano is an entirely new player
22:20:23VulcanI wish someone would come out with a compareable to the nano
22:20:38VulcanI think that its just about perfect as far as form factor goes
22:22:03*Paul_the_Nerd points to the Sansa e200 series
22:22:20Vulcanits alittle on the thick side imo
22:22:33*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs
22:22:37Paul_the_NerdI think the Nano's too thin, personally
22:22:44Vulcanmy usage is probably different than most
22:22:55Soapdo you wear it in your shoe, Vulcan? ;)
22:23:05VulcanI need somethign I can cary in a jeans pocket easily when itsn ot in use
22:23:28PaulJamBagder: litle question concerning your change to english.lang: why haven't you done this change to the other entrys that have a target specific string like for example LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_EXIT ?
22:23:51Bagderbecause I only did some quick searches and only found those that I changed
22:24:06Bagdermy main point was the added docs on the top
22:24:06*petur finds some users are picky -> have an h340
22:24:14blue_lizardVulcan: i would not carry anything precious in may jeans pocket
22:24:24blue_lizardbut maybe my ass is to big
22:24:45Vulcanblue_lizard, nanos can take alot of abuse
22:24:55BagderPaulJam: but yes, the others should be changed as well as the <source> tag is what make translators notice these
22:24:59blue_lizardyes alot but a jeans pocket?
22:25:25blue_lizardi have read the test with the nano on the net
22:25:32Vulcanmine will be a year old in a month or two and I use it almost daily
22:25:34blue_lizardand i beleave the guy
22:28:38Vulcanso this patch I tried to apply did not work with the latest CVS
22:28:54Vulcanso I should try to go to a version prior to the patches release I guess
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22:36:59lostlogicpreglow: thanks −− do I seem to add too many instructions to the sleep() and block() calls? they shouldn't be terribly performance sensitive, since the thread calling them is obviously done with something, right?
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22:41:13preglowlostlogic: nah, i don't think so
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22:44:04amiconnlostlogic: I think it's a rather bad idea. If the scheduler gets that much control over boosting, it could happen that the cpu is boosted/unboosted very frequently - a situation that should be avoided at all costs
22:44:59preglowamiconn: if i'm not mistaken, a thread still has to ask the scheduler to boost it
22:45:30amiconnEach cpu boost state change comes at a price - during the switch, which can take up to 10 milliseconds on coldfire, the cpu runs at 11MHz
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22:46:11amiconnFurthermore it reduces timer precision - the prescaler adjustment can't be instantaneous
22:46:12preglownoes! come back, freqmod!
22:46:35preglowamiconn: yes, yes, we know too much boosting isn't good, but it a thread needs to ask to be boosted, there should be no problem
22:46:47hcsspeaking of scheduling, a while back a change was made that prevented playback from skipping when scrolling heavily in the file browser, but it seems like it has been changed back... what's the story there?
22:46:48amiconnpreglow: If I read the patch correctly, a thread can maintain boost state while it sleeps.
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22:47:05amiconnThat is, the scheduler would unboost while it sleeps, and boost again on wakeup
22:47:24amiconn...and that's a very bad idea
22:47:27preglowthat it is
22:47:36preglowbut i think the concept will work fine if done properly
22:47:39Paul_the_Nerdhcs: I think that was actually just a side-effect of the scheduler. The problem itself wasn't fixed, and with a few other changes it resurface.
22:47:44preglowif something sleeps, then it shouldn't be boosted anymore, imho
22:47:52Paul_the_Nerdhcs: The "not-skipping" being the side-effect
22:47:56hcsPaul_the_Nerd: ah, ok
22:48:11Vulcanis there a way to make a script what will automate downloading the latest source to a degree?
22:48:13hcsPaul_the_Nerd: but it is still recognized as a problem?
22:48:23linuxstbVulcan: Use CVS.
22:48:28VulcanI know I've used aliases before but I don't recall how to make them
22:48:53amiconnpreglow: Only if it sleeps for a longer time, and then the thread should trigger the unboosting, not the scheduler
22:48:54Paul_the_Nerdhcs: Definitely. Ideally the coprocessor support will resolve it all though, in theory
22:49:21amiconnIf we have more than one boost or unboost even per second, something is clearly wrong
22:49:31preglowyes, deeed
22:49:36preglowand if the patch results in that, it's broken
22:49:47amiconn...and with that patch it can happen very easily
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22:50:14linuxstbPaul_the_Nerd: But probably with the side-effect of reducing runtime even more... So I'm very wary of using the COP for normal Rockbox stuff.
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22:50:33Vulcanlinuxstb, what do you mean by use CVS?
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22:51:09linuxstbVulcan: Download the source using cvs, and then you update it by just typing "cvs update". That downloads the changes that have been made since you last updated.
22:51:14preglowlinuxstb: if done correctly, i think using the cop would just minimise latency while keeping the runtime somewhat equal
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22:51:39Paul_the_Nerdlinuxstb: I don't think the processor is going to turn out to be the significant power drain. For example, I only gained half an hour of runtime when we first enabled CPU boosting on the Nano.
22:51:39linuxstbWhat latency do you mean?
22:52:22Paul_the_NerdI imagine once we figure out what's eating so much power, the COP will turn out to be affordable for what it offers.
22:52:23SoapIf I cracked open my ipod, and used a thermometer on the various chips during rockbox playback and appleFW playback, would that be of any use?
22:53:07linuxstbIsn't that how the H300 problem was isolated?
22:53:15Paul_the_NerdSoap: It'll be the PortalPlayer, it's just, that's not *just* two ARM7 processors, it's other things as well.
22:53:32Paul_the_NerdIsn't it also the USB controller?
22:53:38preglowlinuxstb: ui latency
22:53:43Soapahh, so we aren't looking for problems with an offboard chip doing the power drain?
22:53:43linuxstbYes, the USB hardware is in the PP.
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22:53:57yipeman rockbox is awesome
22:54:05preglowlinuxstb: one of the primary problems, imho. using lots of cpu isn't bad in itself, but it makes the ui laggy
22:54:16preglowand that's the only problem i see with it, apart from sucking battery, of course
22:54:30yipeI messed up my install and had to use itunes' restore to fix it, which resulted in me using the original firware for a few days
22:54:31Paul_the_NerdSoap: It could be an offboard chip, but it could very easily be the lack of knowledge about all the extra doodads in the PortalPlayer lump
22:55:02yipeit was horrible, after having rockbox going back sucks
22:55:14linuxstbThe PP product briefs talk about the ability to power-down individual modules within the chip to save power, and that's something Rockbox isn't doing.
22:55:22Kitt0si think rockbox should be able to shot powerpoint slides :]
22:55:25preglowSoap: comparing the temperature of the various chips when in use with retailos vs rockbox would probably be interesting, thnough
22:55:31yipethank you rockboxers, you've made an awesome thing
22:55:38markunKitt0s: ok
22:55:41preglowyipe: and we know it!
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22:55:56*linuxstb gives rockbox a pat on the back.
22:55:59preglowfreqmod: oink!
22:56:03preglowyipe: how...
22:56:04Kitt0smarkun, i think you should be the one who makes the revulution and makes the right code for it :D
22:56:24Soapso, assume I get one of those tools to crack it open. Does it use adhesive to stay shut, or will it just snap back together?
22:56:29yipehow what?
22:56:33preglowSoap: should snap back together
22:56:36preglowyipe: that smileu
22:56:56yipeoh, it's arabic
22:57:10preglowfreqmod: got your attention
22:57:19Soaphardware similar enough across (pre Nano the second) generations that it doesn't matter which one I do it on?
22:57:19preglowfreqmod: about the speex patch, what's up with the special cases for the sim?
22:57:45freqmodi'll look, it is probably debug or assembly code
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22:57:53linuxstbSoap: What choices do you have?
22:57:54preglowit doesn't compile for sim here at all
22:58:06Soaplinuxstb - 4th, 5th, nano the first.
22:58:15preglowfreqmod: it's the makefile stuff i'm talking about, btw
22:58:36SoapOnly the 5th currently has rockbox, but I'd be more willing to risk the 4th.
22:58:37preglowi guess fifth would be the better choice
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22:58:51preglowbut 4th suffers badly too
22:58:56freqmodahh, it was just a way to make it work. I told you that was an ugly hack that should be fixed by someone that knows how the makefiles are written
22:58:56linuxstbSoap: Well, they are slightly different - the Nano and 5th have the PP5021, the 5th also has the Broadcom chip, and the 4th has a PP5020.
22:59:01]RowaN[is it possible to delete a song when using rockbox (ipod nano) in tagcache view?
22:59:07preglowfreqmod: right, right
22:59:10preglowfreqmod: well, it doesn't work here
22:59:22preglowfreqmod: what was the problem anyway?
22:59:35Soaplinuxstb - right. Is something in the PP suspected because the problem goes across generations?
22:59:53freqmodwell, speex should be compiled in the same way as i.e. tremor (which i copied the make stanzas from)
22:59:58Soapfor rockbox ignores the broadcom and assumes it is off, correct?
23:00:28linuxstbFrom what the IPL people have told me, the LCD is connected via the Broadcom chip, so it's being used for that.
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23:01:31freqmodthe corect way to do the makefile will be to copy all things mentioning vorbis/tremor and replacing it with speex
23:01:50linuxstbBut I would expect your findings to be more or less the same on all ipods. The code that runs on them is virtually identical.
23:02:40SoapIs there somewhere I could read on methodology for this test? Do I do it at ambient? In a cold room? do I insulate the cooler chips in an attempt to detect minute heat generation?
23:02:50*Vulcan suspects he is not goign to have any success with getting a custom build with the patches he wants today
23:02:59SoapContact thermometer? IR sensor?
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23:03:49linuxstbSoap: I've got a feeling someone did that for the H300, but I'm not sure who. Maybe amiconn.
23:03:49Paul_the_NerdSoap: I believe an IR sensor was used, and the heat difference was significant on the affected chip.
23:04:14*Paul_the_Nerd isn't wholly sure
23:04:17*freqmod is trying to compile speex in sim without hacks in the makefile
23:05:03Soapyea, I guess with a battery life difference of 50% the goal isn't to detect minute drains.
23:05:42peturlinuxstb: yes, amiconn measured temps
23:05:50hcsis it the same story with all pp devices?
23:05:54preglowfreqmod: lemme know when you've got it going, and i'll give it a shot too
23:07:03Bagderhcs: we only have PP-ports for ipods and h10 going well, and yes they seem to share the same problems
23:07:49hcsBagder: ok, I knew about the h10, but wasn't sure if there were others. I guess the best hope is in the h10's simpler firmware...
23:09:13Soaphmm, I wonder if regional delta T will be measurable on the one chip.
23:09:38hcsthrough the package?
23:09:46markunSoap: amiconn took heat mesurements for the iriver H300
23:10:20markunpetur: ah, sorry for repeating what you just said..
23:10:28Soapyea markun I just PM'd him, hope to get some details from him, and I'll snag an IR thermometer when I get back in town.
23:10:36markunSoap: maybe you can find something in the rockbox irc logs
23:10:39Soapdrink a couple of shots, get my courage up, and crack the case.
23:10:46Soapgood tip
23:10:57freqmodpreglow: Try to replace the make file in apps/codecs with this (downloaded just now from cvs and edited)
23:11:09amiconnYes. I wanted to know which chip drew power apart from the CPU.
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23:12:08amiconnI opened up my H340 and let it run for several minutes in rockbox. Then I measured chip temperatures and board temperature with an infrared thermometer
23:12:29amiconnI repeated the same procedure while running the iriver firmware
23:13:05Soapnothing fancy then, eh?
23:13:35amiconnThen it became clear that the usbotg chip was the problem. It was ~7 C above abient temperature in rockbox, but no measurable difference in of
23:14:10amiconnWhen I switched the of to usbotg browser operation, the chip became as warm as in rockbox
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23:14:28TerrorByteNo updates today?
23:14:50preglowfreqmod: same old
23:14:50preglow/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lspeex
23:14:54amiconnSo it was clear that we need to shutdown the usbotg chip, as it obviously is in operational state after reset
23:15:04TerrorByteNo updates... :(
23:15:06Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: Is there something that prevents you from reading the front page?
23:15:22TerrorByteI'm just making sure Paul, maybe you guys forgot or something...
23:15:28preglowit's automatic
23:15:29Paul_the_NerdIt's automated...
23:15:41amiconnThe rest was digging around (figuring out the /CS3, and understanding how the usb hc state machine in the isp1362 works)
23:15:47TerrorByteWell the website was down you know.......
23:15:51TerrorByteSo maybe.................... Whatever.
23:16:16preglowfreqmod: and this is in vorbis linking, as a matter of fact
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23:16:32TerrorByteNo point in arguing with you and your scornful comments. :P
23:16:33bluebrothermarkun, did you notice FS #6203? We talked about that some time ago.
23:17:01VulcanWouldn't it be nice if on the ipod play/pause jumped from whatever settings menu you are in to the wps now playing?
23:17:26BagderTerrorByte: asking about info that is clearly visible just adds to the noise here
23:17:26freqmodtry to change @echo "AR $@" in apps/codecs/libspeex/Makefile to
23:17:35Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: Things are set up in a way where you don't need to ask "Any updates" which is what I've tried to tell you by suggesting you just read the front page on prior occasions.
23:17:36freqmod@echo "AR+RANLIB $(notdir $@)"
23:17:36amiconnBagder: For those button fixes in .lang, filtering for features would be useful... (keypad in this case)
23:17:46TerrorByteI don't find that to be such an inconvenience Vulcan....
23:17:51TerrorByteAssuming it's the same for other players.
23:17:58VulcanI'm not sure
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23:18:10VulcanI'm just thinkign it would be nice since that button isn't used in the settings menu afaik
23:18:17markunbluebrother: no, didn't see it.
23:18:20Bagderamiconn: did you see my patch for adding such a feature?
23:18:20Vulcanrather than hitting menu two or three times
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23:19:20amiconnBagder: Hmm, no
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23:19:53amiconnbluebrother: You could remove the 160x128x1 and 138x110x1 bitmaps for jewels. There are no such targets
23:20:03amiconnjhMikeS: around?
23:20:12TerrorByteIsn't it called Bejeweled?
23:20:24TerrorByteIt's not?
23:20:25bluebrotherTerrorByte, it got renamed some time ago
23:20:31markunbluebrother: I have been working on codepage conversion for m3u files btw
23:20:33Bagderthe original game is called that
23:20:33bluebrotherdue to legal reasons
23:20:36TerrorByteRenamed by who?
23:20:37Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: What does the H100 use now?
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23:20:40bluebrothermarkun, nice.
23:20:44TerrorByteLOL, on my H10.
23:20:51TerrorByteI renamed it back to Bejeweled.
23:21:00BagderTerrorByte: our game is Jewels, it is not Bejeweled
23:21:01bluebrotherTerrorByte, by the rockbox devs?
23:21:04amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: Bluebrother committed greyscale bitmaps for h1x0 and ipod mini
23:21:14Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: Ah, nice.
23:21:25TerrorByteAh I see.
23:21:29amiconnbluebrother: Btw, the 160x128x2 bitmaps are also used by the ipod 3g and 4g greyscale
23:21:35TerrorByteLOL, I should rename it to Jewels then.
23:22:05Bagderyou can name it whatever you want, we'll send the lawyers your way :-)
23:22:10bluebrotheramiconn, I noticed that after the commit.
23:22:11TerrorByteWhat's required in adding Rockboy to other players?
23:22:42bluebrotherTerrorByte, you could just install a recent Rockbox build and remove your bejeweled
23:22:56Vulcanis there a way to modify what is displayed in the browser while using tagcache?
23:22:57 Quit TerrorByte (Client Quit)
23:22:57amiconnBagder: Btw, what is the purpose of putting multiple shell commands in parentheses?
23:23:00BagderTerrorByte: fixing the code to work with the LCD resolution (scaling)
23:23:05Vulcanas in, remove some of the searches that are displayed etc
23:23:08preglowfreqmod: you might want to highlight me the next time so i see what you write, heh
23:23:27Bagderamiconn: they run in a single shell, as a kind of shell script
23:23:33*bluebrother goes removing the unneeded jewels bitmaps
23:23:46freqmodpreglow: sorry, forgot it
23:24:10amiconnBagder: Hmm, but the 'make' manual shows examples with multiple commands without surrounding parentheses?
23:24:33amiconnI mean as a single command line with ; \ at the end of each
23:24:47Bagderyeah, I bet it can be made without them somehow
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23:25:05preglowfreqmod: libspeex isn't compiled at all
23:25:21*petur gets himself a Leffe blond from the fridge
23:25:27freqmodi'll try again
23:25:44Bagderamiconn: well, for example we then need to do $(SILENT) on all lines instead
23:25:46*preglow stabs petur
23:26:05amiconnBagder: Definitely not when using ;\
23:26:08amiconnI tried that
23:26:14*petur considers posting a pic :p
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23:26:39Bagderwell, what does it matter if there's a parenthesis level or not?
23:27:25amiconnI am trying to understand that stuff better and was wondering what parentheses are doing in the shell
23:27:39amiconnI haven't seen such use before
23:27:58Bagderfor this particular patch, I actually started out without the parentheses but it didn't do what I wanted, so I added them and got it to work
23:28:53Bagderbut really, it should probably work the same with just ; \ without them
23:29:26amiconnThat's what I thought.
23:30:16BagderI guess the extra parens are just something of a habit of mine that aren't really needed
23:31:14amiconnWhat is this for: echo "" >/dev/null
23:31:23amiconnLooks rather odd to me...
23:32:05Bagderyeah, otherwise the return code of grep will be the result of that action
23:32:38amiconnDoes grep return strange values?
23:32:41Bagderand it returns non-zero in my case
23:32:48Bagderwhich make treats as error
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23:34:53freqmodtry to add "codecs/libspeex/*" to apps/FILES
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23:37:18knewtanyone about who knows the ipod port? i just got an error message... "Undefined instruction at 00007CF4"
23:37:58*freqmod wonders if such instructions are present in .map files
23:38:06preglowfreqmod: should FILES matter? isn't that just for what is put in the zips?
23:38:21amiconnFILES is just for the source packager
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23:38:40Bagderupdated to apply cleanly
23:38:51freqmodpreglow: ok, i don't know i just tried to scan the directory and duplicate the work for tremor as i don't know the make system
23:38:52Bagderfeatures.txt can look like
23:38:58Bagder#ifdef HAVE_RECORDING
23:38:58DBUGEnqueued KICK Bagder
23:38:58Bagder#ifdef HAVE_USB_POWER
23:38:59***Alert Mode level 1
23:39:26preglowfreqmod: i've gotta go for 30 mins or something
23:39:45Kitt0sdoes the framerate matter if i put a video on my x5?
23:39:57freqmodi'll probably be asleep
23:41:17CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:41:17*Bagder activates low power mode
23:42:08*amiconn is playing around with 'make' again
23:42:34amiconnHmm, I'd need make 3.80 for testing...
23:43:17*petur wonders what following warning means: static declaration of my_function_name' follows non-static declaration
23:43:30amiconnIt means what it says...
23:43:51*petur slaps forehead
23:44:20amiconnMultiple declaraion, first without 'static', later with 'static'
23:44:39petursloppy philips programmers
23:45:06BagderInvadrox looks nice!
23:45:32*Bagder runs to bed
23:49:00***Alert Mode OFF
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23:50:43yipeis that like a const in C++?
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23:51:01knewtoh well. second time it's happened, both times shortly after starting a re-initialization of the tagcache. managed a re-init without it happening though. a subsequent update seems enough though
23:51:38linuxstb_Kitt0s: If you want it to play in realtime, then yes. I'm not sure what the framerate on the X5 is, but it's probably around 15-20fps. You can easily test it though.
23:52:53Kitt0serr :\
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23:54:58*petur tries to guess what player the next user has...
23:55:39iriverh340hey guess what???
23:55:52peturipod? :p
23:56:13Kitt0slinuxstb_, and AVI is not supported?
23:56:14iriverh340the x5 drive is compatible with the h340!
23:56:25iriverh340so really I will have an h360!
23:56:32Genre9mp3iriverh340: you are cowonX5 eh?
23:56:46iriverh340genre9mp3, that was the past :p
23:58:16Kitt0shey, how come when i select only to show supported files, it doesn't show hidden files, but when i select ALL, it does show hidden files
23:58:27*petur still wants an h380
23:58:51linuxstb_Kitt0s: AVI files can contain anything and everything.... At the moment Rockbox just supports MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 raw video streams.
23:58:54Paul_the_NerdIt assumes if you've marked something hidden, you did so for a reason. Why should it show hidden files under "supported"?

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