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| 00:00:45 | amiconn | wow, 64 bit flac! ;) |
| 00:00:52 | Soap | you don't think many will appreciate the dithering? |
| 00:01:24 | * | amiconn will try to hear the dithering difference with his stereo tomorrow |
| 00:03:27 | scorche | hrm...psiborg is right...play is not currently used on the virtual keyboard...is there a reason why? |
| 00:03:57 | petur | it's play on irivers... unless I remember wrong |
| 00:04:11 | scorche | i am referring to ipods |
| 00:04:28 | petur | I know |
| 00:04:41 | petur | just saying how it is on iriver |
| 00:04:47 | scorche | ah...as in instead of long select? |
| 00:05:06 | scorche | yeah... |
| 00:05:28 | petur | slow today? :p |
| 00:05:35 | * | scorche sighs |
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| 00:06:33 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Sure, it's far from a priority. 16-bit FLAC files don't boost at 24MHz, I'll try 24-bit files at some point and see how they are. |
| 00:06:42 | preglow | linuxstb_: they boost somewhat |
| 00:06:45 | preglow | but not much |
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| 00:09:40 | amiconn | Bah, the build system split my commit into 2 build rounds |
| 00:09:47 | * | amiconn wants atomic commits |
| 00:12:53 | * | linuxstb_ waits for preglow... |
| 00:13:06 | preglow | hmm? |
| 00:13:33 | linuxstb_ | amiconn was criticising CVS... |
| 00:13:44 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 00:13:51 | preglow | i thought it was the build system's fault |
| 00:13:57 | preglow | but of course, it would never have happened with svn! |
| 00:15:07 | * | dan_a has started using git |
| 00:15:13 | dan_a | I'm impressed. |
| 00:15:45 | andrewmel | I have two versions of one sound in metronome.c, one is for a !SWCODEC player and is a unsigned char, the other is for the SWCODEC players and is a signed short. they are flat ticks. Can sombody please tell me how I convert a .wav file to these formats so I can add a ding noise for the start of a bar? |
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| 00:17:02 | Lear | amiconn: make is very silent here... (3.80, iirc) |
| 00:18:15 | amiconn | Yeah, just spotted that in the build table as well |
| 00:18:54 | amiconn | However, it's not so silent on all build servers, and I tested both on cygwin and linux (== my build server). Worked fine |
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| 00:19:43 | * | amiconn wonders what's up with that |
| 00:19:58 | amiconn | make -v ==> 3.81 on both boxes |
| 00:20:44 | preglow | make looks like before here |
| 00:20:45 | preglow | 3.81 |
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| 00:25:04 | Lear | Yep, info added in 3.81. |
| 00:25:40 | Lear | (And I use 3.80 because I got lots of "clock skew detected" with 3.81...) |
| 00:27:13 | amiconn | hrmph |
| 00:28:36 | amiconn | The gnu make manual doesn't state which functions work in which versions, bah |
| 00:28:54 | andrewmel | Lear: see this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7148 |
| 00:28:55 | Lear | Yeah, had to go to the news file for that. |
| 00:29:29 | * | linuxstb_ has an iBook with make 3.80 but needs to upgrade to a newer xcode anyway... |
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| 00:31:15 | Lear | andrewmel: In make 3.81, the Cygwin folks didn't bother with most/all patches they had before. Some of them were apparantly fixes for file datestamps. |
| 00:31:35 | Lear | The skew only happens for files created during build. |
| 00:32:07 | andrewmel | It wasnt for me, I just read it about 5 mins before your post on clock skew :) |
| 00:32:12 | amiconn | make is silent on 5 build servers out of 13: ihme.org, kermit.pimpinwithmuppets.com, builder.fnarfbargle.com, efnet-math.org, linuxstb.rockbox.org |
| 00:32:45 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I'm running 3.80 on my build server... |
| 00:33:18 | amiconn | I don't get any clock skew warnings with make 3.81, be it on linux or cygwin |
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| 00:33:28 | linuxstb_ | And my iBook has 3.79... |
| 00:33:54 | linuxstb_ | So I assume I should upgrade? |
| 00:34:43 | amiconn | Hmm, should we revert because of the old 'make' versions? That change gives a nice little build speedup for cygwin people (around 20%), but it obviously requires make 3.81+ |
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| 00:35:58 | amiconn | Slight speedup on linux as well, of course |
| 00:36:05 | preglow | can't we just see how possible it is to upgrade first? |
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| 00:36:49 | * | linuxstb_ does "apt-get install make" |
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| 00:39:50 | preglow | pagefault: how fares the spc codec? |
| 00:40:05 | pagefault | almost ready for testing |
| 00:40:07 | pagefault | I am cleaning it up |
| 00:40:24 | amiconn | I only saw that clock skew warning once - at devcon, when the cvs server's clock was set incorrectly |
| 00:40:41 | pagefault | some SPC's are going to skip on slower ARM processors like the PP cores |
| 00:41:04 | preglow | the pp cores? |
| 00:41:09 | preglow | all our current working arm targets are pp cores |
| 00:41:12 | hcs | still, awesome |
| 00:41:22 | pagefault | ah well |
| 00:41:36 | hcs | and I'll be glad to see if I can make any improvements |
| 00:41:36 | pagefault | all slow PP targets then |
| 00:41:43 | preglow | anyway |
| 00:41:46 | preglow | optimising can fix that |
| 00:41:50 | pagefault | at least until you guys get the other core figured out |
| 00:42:18 | preglow | just get this thing ready and post a patch and we'll see what happens about that, heh |
| 00:42:24 | pagefault | if other rockbox stuff was offloaded onto the second core it wouldn't skip |
| 00:42:36 | preglow | mp3 looked like a long shot a while ago too, now it doesn't even seem to use cpu |
| 00:42:39 | preglow | it decodes on love |
| 00:42:49 | hcs | heh |
| 00:42:56 | pagefault | yeah I just really need to clean this up |
| 00:42:58 | dan_a | preglow: You wouldn't say that if you had a 3G iPod |
| 00:43:00 | andrewmel | lol |
| 00:43:19 | pagefault | it only works on a h10 right now |
| 00:43:22 | preglow | dan_a: it doesn't provide libmad with a caring enough environment! |
| 00:43:23 | pagefault | thats why I have to clean it up |
| 00:43:34 | pagefault | because of the stupid way I implemented it |
| 00:44:17 | pagefault | what was this resampling thing going on here the other day |
| 00:44:27 | pagefault | because SPC's are really 32khz |
| 00:45:02 | preglow | resampling thing? |
| 00:45:09 | preglow | just me talking about resampling, i guess |
| 00:45:13 | pagefault | ah |
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| 00:45:18 | preglow | also, the clicky resampler is the next thing i'll fix |
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| 00:45:29 | pagefault | do I need to resample to 44khz |
| 00:45:36 | pagefault | or can I output at 32khz (works for me) |
| 00:45:37 | hcs | preglow: thanks! my 32KHz mp3s will be usable again! |
| 00:45:38 | preglow | that'll be taken care of for you |
| 00:45:42 | preglow | pagefault: you can output whatever you like |
| 00:45:56 | pagefault | ok |
| 00:46:02 | Soap | SPC? |
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| 00:46:44 | pagefault | still a lot of work to be done but you can playback spcs |
| 00:46:49 | pagefault | I want to add the tag support eventually |
| 00:47:13 | preglow | id666? |
| 00:47:15 | pagefault | yeah |
| 00:47:16 | Soap | the infamous South Park Codec? |
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| 00:47:38 | pagefault | and maybe support RSN files (rared spc files) |
| 00:47:44 | pagefault | there is a GPL rar 3.0 unrar lib |
| 00:47:59 | andrewmel | can anybody think of a plugin that has a short ticking sound that I can pinch, besides the metronome? |
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| 00:48:20 | linuxstb_ | invadrox (in the patch tracker) has sound-effects stored as unsigned short arrays. |
| 00:48:22 | hcs | pagefault: I'd be glad to do the tagging and rsn support, I was planning on adding them if you didn't yourself |
| 00:48:24 | preglow | pagefault: there is? i've never seen it |
| 00:48:30 | pagefault | preglow, it's new |
| 00:48:34 | preglow | pagefault: only gpl unrar lib i could find (unrarlib) didn't take 3,0 |
| 00:48:41 | preglow | pagefault: that's rad, i need that for another project of mine |
| 00:48:57 | Soap | ahh, SPC = SNES sounds. |
| 00:48:59 | preglow | pagefault: got a name for me? |
| 00:49:06 | pagefault | looking for a url for you |
| 00:49:07 | pagefault | hold on |
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| 00:49:26 | andrewmel | thans linuxstb |
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| 00:50:04 | pagefault | http://www.slack.net/~ant/misc/ |
| 00:50:15 | pagefault | rar_extractor |
| 00:50:31 | pagefault | it's C++ though |
| 00:50:51 | preglow | haha |
| 00:50:58 | preglow | my other project is c++, so hurray! |
| 00:51:13 | pagefault | anyway we finally have a GPL rar extractor |
| 00:51:46 | pagefault | should extract any rar 3.0 file |
| 00:51:47 | preglow | well, we did before as well |
| 00:51:48 | preglow | unrarlib |
| 00:51:51 | preglow | but that doesn't do 3.0 |
| 00:51:52 | pagefault | well for 3.0 I mean |
| 00:52:39 | pagefault | i'm not using his SPC player though |
| 00:52:46 | pagefault | i'm using a moded libopenspc with latest sources |
| 00:52:55 | pagefault | it's more accurate |
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| 00:54:01 | preglow | goodie |
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| 00:54:31 | pagefault | anyway I hope to finish the patch by the end of the weekend |
| 00:54:36 | pagefault | and have it in the tracker |
| 00:55:07 | pagefault | i've tested it on an ipod nano and h10 |
| 00:56:11 | pagefault | other players should have no problem with it either when I am done |
| 00:56:30 | preglow | pagefault: that thing just includes the unrar source code.... |
| 00:56:32 | preglow | hardly gpl |
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| 00:57:22 | preglow | i don't know, though, if it's legal i guess it's ok |
| 00:57:47 | pagefault | I dunno |
| 00:57:54 | pagefault | I know a few GPL projects using it now |
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| 00:58:58 | pagefault | spcs just need to play first |
| 00:59:01 | pagefault | before any fancy stuff is done |
| 00:59:12 | andrewmel | are ipods a swcodec player? |
| 00:59:26 | scorche | yes |
| 00:59:36 | scorche | everything but the archos devices are |
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| 01:00:04 | andrewmel | thanks |
| 01:00:26 | linuxstb_ | pagefault: Are you talking about this? http://www.slack.net/~ant/libs/Rar_Extractor-0.2.1.zip |
| 01:00:30 | pagefault | yes |
| 01:00:55 | linuxstb_ | That license doesn't look gpl-friendly to me... |
| 01:01:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: it doesn't indeed |
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| 01:01:44 | pagefault | it's in use by almost every GPL emulator now |
| 01:01:47 | pagefault | heh |
| 01:01:53 | TerrorByte | What does that do? |
| 01:01:54 | linuxstb_ | Both "the code may not be used to develop a RAR (WinRAR) compatible archiver." and the "may not charge a fee" parts. |
| 01:01:58 | TerrorByte | Extract stff from a RAR??? |
| 01:02:06 | TerrorByte | stuff* |
| 01:02:23 | linuxstb_ | Most emulators infringe the GPL in some way... |
| 01:03:14 | | Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:03:19 | linuxstb_ | As in, a lot of emulators which claim they are GPL, use code from GPL incompatible projects. |
| 01:03:35 | pagefault | from the license it looks BSD if all you are doing is using it to extract things |
| 01:04:12 | | Quit nGs|GreyFox`afk ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") |
| 01:04:19 | linuxstb_ | It's mainly the "may not charge a fee" clause - you can't restrict GPL'd software in that way. |
| 01:05:08 | pagefault | oh well |
| 01:05:35 | pagefault | I was told it was GPL compatible |
| 01:05:41 | pagefault | thats why I bought it up |
| 01:05:44 | pagefault | but if it's not |
| 01:05:51 | pagefault | then can't use it |
| 01:06:01 | linuxstb_ | I would be happy to be proved wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's not. |
| 01:06:06 | preglow | the other restrictions aren't friendly either |
| 01:06:12 | preglow | nah, it's definitely not gpl compatible |
| 01:06:20 | preglow | not a chance |
| 01:06:33 | pagefault | I wonder how LZMA does on SPC files |
| 01:06:38 | pagefault | that would be a better alternative to rar |
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| 01:07:54 | hcs | what does 7zip use for unraring? |
| 01:08:11 | pagefault | no clue |
| 01:08:16 | pagefault | I think you need to put the dll in the directory of the program |
| 01:08:21 | preglow | i don't really care |
| 01:08:24 | preglow | spc files are tiny |
| 01:08:28 | preglow | around 64k a piece |
| 01:09:08 | hcs | yeah, and uncompressed you don't have to worry about rockbox's inability to handle multitrack files smoothly |
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| 01:10:18 | pagefault | it was just a consideration |
| 01:10:59 | preglow | yeah, sure |
| 01:11:07 | preglow | compressed file handling does add new problems, though |
| 01:11:14 | preglow | such formats really should be handled by the core, and not the codecs |
| 01:11:22 | pagefault | 7zip uses that unrar code |
| 01:11:23 | pagefault | hmm |
| 01:11:30 | pagefault | I guess it's violating the GPL too |
| 01:11:32 | preglow | but anyway, it can come later, first lets see pure .spc playback |
| 01:11:42 | preglow | that'll be enough to make me cartwheel across the floor |
| 01:11:57 | TerrorByte | Hey guys... |
| 01:12:03 | TerrorByte | Is there any way to enter text while playing Doom? |
| 01:12:07 | TerrorByte | Like cheatcodes? |
| 01:12:11 | TerrorByte | iddqd idkfa! |
| 01:12:44 | linuxstb_ | no |
| 01:12:46 | pagefault | give me a few days and I will post a patch |
| 01:13:13 | TerrorByte | Aw... |
| 01:13:34 | pagefault | a lot of the work was on the actual lib |
| 01:13:37 | pagefault | to make it fast enough |
| 01:14:02 | hcs | have you tried my nsf patch at all? |
| 01:14:12 | pagefault | yeah it works well |
| 01:14:29 | preglow | pagefault: what kind of changes have you had to make? |
| 01:14:40 | hcs | I've still got to get the floating point out of the FDS |
| 01:14:52 | pagefault | preglow, I had to turn off certain emulation features |
| 01:14:59 | preglow | pagefault: like what? |
| 01:14:59 | pagefault | while keeping it as accurate as possible |
| 01:15:09 | pagefault | very basic cycle counting now |
| 01:15:15 | jhMikeS | I just did a build and it hardly said anything about what was going on. It probably a little too hush-hush now. :) |
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| 01:15:42 | hcs | jhMikeS: make - There has been an Error. |
| 01:15:46 | pagefault | also |
| 01:15:49 | pagefault | some code cleanup |
| 01:15:51 | Kasperle | that's the license that comes with the unrar source, btw: http://pastebin.ca/225462 |
| 01:16:14 | pagefault | and stopping SPC execution during idle periods |
| 01:16:22 | pagefault | cheap tricks to make it go faster |
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| 01:17:00 | jhMikeS | I like seeing what it's building when it actually compiles a changed source but it's not showing that. |
| 01:17:14 | hcs | preglow: I think the "free of charge" bit means there is no charge for using unrar |
| 01:17:19 | pagefault | it should sound the same to you though |
| 01:17:27 | pagefault | it just is no longer acceptable for an emulator |
| 01:17:33 | hcs | er, I meant Kasperle: |
| 01:17:36 | pagefault | for a game that depending on certain SPC timing |
| 01:17:52 | * | jhMikeS likes subtle humor though ;) |
| 01:18:31 | pagefault | like reading from the SPC is completely disabled now |
| 01:18:39 | pagefault | because nothing is ever going to do that so why waste time on it |
| 01:19:06 | Kasperle | hcs: yeah. they do restrict the use of that code to not recreate a rar packer, though, which is some other limitation, but that's about the only thing i could imagine making it gpl incompatible |
| 01:19:37 | hcs | Kasperle: yeah, been rereading that to try and find another interpretation, but it seems like an unacceptable limitation |
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| 01:19:59 | pagefault | you can do the audit when I post the patch |
| 01:20:03 | pagefault | if you want to include it or not |
| 01:20:30 | Kasperle | hcs: i do agree with you on the free of charge part |
| 01:20:42 | pagefault | the only SPC's it's not going to work on is ones like the tales of phantasia intro |
| 01:20:49 | pagefault | with the voices |
| 01:21:23 | hcs | I think that should be sufficiently awesome. |
| 01:21:35 | pagefault | stuff like that is impossible to support |
| 01:21:53 | pagefault | they are streamed by the game by DMA |
| 01:23:30 | TerrorByte | Some of you guys are so skilled... |
| 01:23:32 | pagefault | I also run all SPC's at PAL speed |
| 01:23:42 | pagefault | it takes less power to execute |
| 01:23:45 | TerrorByte | Can't you guys incorporate strafing in Doom using multiple keys? |
| 01:23:46 | pagefault | and has no affect on the SPC |
| 01:27:02 | TerrorByte | guess not? |
| 01:27:23 | pagefault | there is always the source you can change |
| 01:27:38 | TerrorByte | Me? |
| 01:27:47 | pagefault | the whole point of doom on it to begin with is a joke |
| 01:27:53 | pagefault | it's more of "hey we can run doom" |
| 01:27:59 | pagefault | than a practical application |
| 01:28:17 | TerrorByte | I for one am actually trying to play Doom on it. |
| 01:28:24 | pagefault | what player do you have |
| 01:28:29 | TerrorByte | H10.. |
| 01:28:32 | pagefault | wow |
| 01:28:32 | TerrorByte | iRiver. |
| 01:28:35 | TerrorByte | Why? |
| 01:28:36 | pagefault | I can hardly play it on my H10 |
| 01:28:41 | pagefault | the controls are insane |
| 01:28:46 | TerrorByte | Not really. |
| 01:28:48 | | Quit Psiuyo () |
| 01:28:50 | TerrorByte | I can do everything except strafe. |
| 01:28:53 | TerrorByte | All I need is strafing> |
| 01:28:57 | TerrorByte | And I have a great solution. |
| 01:29:02 | TerrorByte | Just that I can't incorporate it myself. |
| 01:29:03 | TerrorByte | :( |
| 01:29:11 | pagefault | what buttons do you want to straife |
| 01:29:23 | TerrorByte | What I want to do is hold down the use key, and then press left or right to strafe. |
| 01:29:35 | TerrorByte | I went into debug and checked the I/O ports and it can be done. |
| 01:29:43 | TerrorByte | The values are different if you have button combinations pressed. |
| 01:29:53 | TerrorByte | Just that I have no idea how to incorporate something like that..... |
| 01:29:57 | pagefault | i'll look into it later |
| 01:30:01 | TerrorByte | But it's possible. |
| 01:30:04 | TerrorByte | Will you really? |
| 01:30:05 | TerrorByte | :D |
| 01:30:06 | pagefault | the H10 has no proper key mappings for anything |
| 01:30:18 | pagefault | it says push play to delete something |
| 01:30:23 | pagefault | but you push the use key |
| 01:30:34 | TerrorByte | Yeah I've noticed that. |
| 01:30:44 | pagefault | no one updated it for the h10 |
| 01:30:53 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:30:56 | TerrorByte | Is it very recent? |
| 01:30:58 | TerrorByte | Is that why? |
| 01:31:01 | | Quit ender` (" Never say "Oooops" ... always say "Ahhh, interesting..."") |
| 01:31:03 | pagefault | I think h10 support is of last monht |
| 01:31:10 | pagefault | I mean month |
| 01:31:14 | pagefault | at least official support |
| 01:31:15 | TerrorByte | Wait H10 support came out last month? |
| 01:31:21 | TerrorByte | Only been around for a month? |
| 01:31:31 | pagefault | officially I believe so |
| 01:31:34 | pagefault | I could be wrong |
| 01:31:45 | TerrorByte | Amazing. |
| 01:32:02 | pagefault | it uses nearly the same hardware as the ipod mini |
| 01:32:07 | pagefault | so the port was not hard tod o |
| 01:32:09 | pagefault | to do |
| 01:32:28 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:32:31 | TerrorByte | Never knew all this. |
| 01:32:43 | pagefault | you probably get the ipod mini text |
| 01:33:04 | TerrorByte | You have the H10? |
| 01:33:17 | pagefault | yes |
| 01:33:20 | pagefault | 5gb |
| 01:33:21 | TerrorByte | Which one do you have? And does it make a difference? |
| 01:33:23 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 01:33:25 | TerrorByte | I have the 20 GB. |
| 01:33:28 | TerrorByte | Are they any different? |
| 01:33:35 | pagefault | the screen is larger on the 20gb |
| 01:33:39 | pagefault | and there is no UMS firmware for the 20gb |
| 01:34:07 | TerrorByte | Noticeable larger? |
| 01:34:12 | TerrorByte | noticeably& |
| 01:34:15 | pagefault | 192x128 |
| 01:34:15 | TerrorByte | ** |
| 01:34:17 | TerrorByte | Ugh. |
| 01:34:18 | pagefault | instead of 128x128 |
| 01:34:24 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:34:55 | pagefault | I got mine in the US |
| 01:34:56 | TerrorByte | But the controls are all the same right? |
| 01:34:57 | pagefault | so it was MTP |
| 01:35:11 | pagefault | but I flashed it to use UMS |
| 01:35:38 | pagefault | afaik all h10 20gb are MTP |
| 01:36:03 | TerrorByte | Yes they are. |
| 01:36:12 | pagefault | it kinda sucks |
| 01:36:19 | TerrorByte | What's the difference? |
| 01:36:21 | TerrorByte | Is it firmware? |
| 01:36:27 | TerrorByte | But we're using the Rockbox firmware right? |
| 01:36:39 | pagefault | you still have the built in firmware that handles the sync with the PC |
| 01:36:44 | pagefault | the bios |
| 01:36:47 | pagefault | if you want to call it that |
| 01:36:55 | pagefault | with UMS you plug it in |
| 01:36:56 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:36:57 | pagefault | and it comes up as a drive |
| 01:36:59 | TerrorByte | What's the difference? |
| 01:37:00 | pagefault | you don't need media player |
| 01:37:02 | TerrorByte | And the MTP? |
| 01:37:16 | pagefault | with MTP you need media player to transfer |
| 01:37:19 | TerrorByte | But if I run it in emergency mode, it's all the same. |
| 01:37:26 | pagefault | emergency mode is UMS |
| 01:37:45 | pagefault | I just don't need to do that trick on mine |
| 01:37:48 | pagefault | since it's a UMS device |
| 01:38:16 | | Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@chello062178002170.1.11.univie.teleweb.at) |
| 01:38:21 | pagefault | irivier should just release UMS firmware |
| 01:38:43 | pagefault | I could care less about napster and playsforsure |
| 01:38:50 | pagefault | or any DRM shit |
| 01:38:58 | TerrorByte | LOL SAME> |
| 01:39:10 | TerrorByte | Completely useless crap. |
| 01:39:23 | pagefault | thats the only reason it uses MTP |
| 01:39:26 | pagefault | because they can enforce DRM |
| 01:39:39 | TerrorByte | Wow. |
| 01:39:43 | TerrorByte | Useless. |
| 01:39:58 | TerrorByte | Do the iPod Minis have video? |
| 01:40:12 | pagefault | no |
| 01:40:21 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:40:23 | pagefault | I heard there is a plugin coming for the h10 for video |
| 01:40:25 | pagefault | it gets about 24 fps |
| 01:40:30 | pagefault | last I heard |
| 01:40:31 | TerrorByte | There is video for H10. |
| 01:40:33 | TerrorByte | But no sound... |
| 01:40:36 | TerrorByte | You mean with sound??? |
| 01:40:37 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 01:40:47 | pagefault | there is video? |
| 01:40:49 | pagefault | what kind of video? |
| 01:40:56 | TerrorByte | As in video video. |
| 01:41:02 | TerrorByte | What other kind of video is there? |
| 01:41:11 | pagefault | there is video? |
| 01:41:11 | TerrorByte | Runs .m2v files. |
| 01:41:12 | pagefault | I mean |
| 01:41:16 | pagefault | oh mpeg2 |
| 01:41:21 | TerrorByte | What do YOU mean? |
| 01:41:25 | TerrorByte | Because I have no idea. |
| 01:41:26 | TerrorByte | ;) |
| 01:41:29 | pagefault | I wanted to know what codec |
| 01:41:49 | linuxstb_ | pagefault: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 01:41:50 | pagefault | i'd rather just use my pocketpc for video |
| 01:41:52 | TerrorByte | Yeah MPEG-2. |
| 01:41:59 | linuxstb_ | ...and MPEG-1 |
| 01:42:03 | TerrorByte | Yeah. |
| 01:42:07 | TerrorByte | No sound though. |
| 01:42:13 | TerrorByte | So it's pretty much useless right now.. |
| 01:42:16 | TerrorByte | Tell me something. |
| 01:42:22 | TerrorByte | If video's been implemented. |
| 01:42:27 | TerrorByte | And sound with video is possible. |
| 01:42:31 | TerrorByte | How come iRiver didn't do it? |
| 01:42:45 | linuxstb_ | Ask iRiver... |
| 01:42:45 | pagefault | linuxstb, thx |
| 01:43:08 | pagefault | ask them where the audible.com support is too |
| 01:43:13 | pagefault | that was advertised on the box |
| 01:43:21 | TerrorByte | Tell me something. |
| 01:43:24 | TerrorByte | What is Audible? |
| 01:43:28 | pagefault | audio books |
| 01:43:30 | TerrorByte | And AudibleFeast or whatever. |
| 01:43:32 | TerrorByte | Oh. |
| 01:43:35 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:43:45 | TerrorByte | There were folders for that in the original firmware I think. |
| 01:43:54 | pagefault | yeah but they don't play the format |
| 01:44:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:44:23 | pagefault | no vorbis |
| 01:44:25 | pagefault | either |
| 01:44:57 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:45:03 | TerrorByte | I just can't wait for sound with video. |
| 01:45:04 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 01:45:07 | TerrorByte | Gotta go soon. |
| 01:45:12 | | Quit obo ("bye") |
| 01:45:17 | TerrorByte | If you get time, can you look into that strafing thing pagefault? :) |
| 01:45:23 | pagefault | i'll look at it |
| 01:45:29 | pagefault | but I can't promise i'll understand it |
| 01:45:46 | pagefault | I find new things in the source every day |
| 01:45:57 | TerrorByte | Paul said it was pretty easy. |
| 01:46:04 | TerrorByte | He even told me which file would need editing. |
| 01:46:08 | TerrorByte | Something like i_video.c |
| 01:46:11 | pagefault | ok |
| 01:46:19 | TerrorByte | I think he understands it well. |
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| 01:46:31 | pagefault | and you want left/right to strafe |
| 01:46:38 | pagefault | while holding down use |
| 01:46:46 | TerrorByte | Yes. |
| 01:46:58 | pagefault | probably makes sense |
| 01:46:58 | TerrorByte | The values returned are different. |
| 01:47:03 | pagefault | how do you strafe right now |
| 01:47:07 | TerrorByte | So the H10 does recognize multiple keys. |
| 01:47:11 | TerrorByte | Can't strafe. |
| 01:47:14 | TerrorByte | Not enough buttons :) |
| 01:47:17 | pagefault | oh |
| 01:47:52 | TerrorByte | Heh. |
| 01:47:53 | TerrorByte | Yeah. |
| 01:48:22 | pagefault | I just miss the tuner support |
| 01:48:31 | pagefault | I am doing that after the SPC support |
| 01:48:58 | TerrorByte | Yes, I want FM Radio and Recording incorporated soon. |
| 01:49:01 | TerrorByte | Especially recording. |
| 01:49:02 | pagefault | I already looked at it |
| 01:49:08 | pagefault | it's going to be a mess to implement |
| 01:49:12 | pagefault | everything is ifdefed |
| 01:49:20 | TerrorByte | Okay hold on. |
| 01:49:24 | TerrorByte | What's going to be hard to implement. |
| 01:49:27 | TerrorByte | And what is ifdefed??? |
| 01:49:27 | pagefault | the tuner |
| 01:49:37 | pagefault | ifdef is a compile directive |
| 01:49:42 | pagefault | if something is defined then it does this |
| 01:49:46 | pagefault | otherwise it does something else |
| 01:49:53 | pagefault | as in defined which model of player it is |
| 01:49:58 | TerrorByte | How about recording? |
| 01:50:06 | pagefault | I have no idea |
| 01:50:18 | pagefault | I have to figure out how the tuner works first |
| 01:51:01 | pagefault | i'm not an official developer |
| 01:51:05 | pagefault | I just idle here |
| 01:51:46 | linuxstb_ | TerrorByte: There's a patch on the patch tracker for ipod and H10 recording... |
| 01:52:09 | linuxstb_ | #6096 IIRC |
| 01:52:12 | pagefault | recording from what |
| 01:52:13 | TerrorByte | REALLY!? |
| 01:52:24 | TerrorByte | I mean voice recording. |
| 01:52:29 | pagefault | oh |
| 01:52:39 | pagefault | I forgot it had a mic |
| 01:52:47 | TerrorByte | The H10? |
| 01:52:47 | blue_lizard | if i want to build binutils for iriver what target should i use? |
| 01:52:51 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6096 |
| 01:52:52 | TerrorByte | The H10 is supposed to have an amazing mic. |
| 01:52:54 | TerrorByte | And it does. |
| 01:53:04 | blue_lizard | m68k-elf m5206e? |
| 01:53:15 | linuxstb_ | Just m68k-elf should be enough. |
| 01:53:21 | blue_lizard | thx |
| 01:53:27 | linuxstb_ | (same for gcc) |
| 01:53:31 | TerrorByte | Wait. |
| 01:53:34 | blue_lizard | ok |
| 01:53:36 | TerrorByte | For the H10. |
| 01:53:44 | TerrorByte | Recording using the mic hasn't been done, right? |
| 01:54:01 | pagefault | it looks like it's only in patch form |
| 01:54:38 | TerrorByte | I think I'll wait until it's oficially been done. |
| 01:54:39 | linuxstb_ | It's still a work-in-progress and isn't quite ready for CVS yet. I did the ipod work, and barrywardell extended it for the H10. |
| 01:54:45 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:54:46 | TerrorByte | Cool. |
| 01:54:54 | TerrorByte | So it's not too far away. |
| 01:54:57 | TerrorByte | Awesome! |
| 01:55:14 | pagefault | thats why I build my own firmware |
| 01:55:17 | pagefault | so I can try stuff |
| 01:55:19 | pagefault | heh |
| 01:55:55 | TerrorByte | So recording is coming soon... |
| 01:56:05 | TerrorByte | Sound w/ video, uncertain. |
| 01:56:13 | TerrorByte | And strafing in Doom.... |
| 01:56:16 | TerrorByte | All I ask for. |
| 01:56:17 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 01:56:24 | scorche | just be patient |
| 01:56:26 | blue_lizard | gcc: unrecognized option '-no-cpp-precomp' ?? |
| 01:56:37 | scorche | if anything, asking everyday doesnt help get it done faster |
| 01:56:48 | blue_lizard | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061026 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-18) |
| 01:56:51 | pagefault | it's done when it's done |
| 01:57:27 | dan_a | (unless you offer sufficient bribes) |
| 01:57:36 | TerrorByte | Bribes, eh... |
| 01:57:40 | TerrorByte | I don't think I can offer much anyways. |
| 01:58:03 | scorche | then wait patiently and quit asking every day =) |
| 01:58:20 | TerrorByte | I haven't asked at all today. |
| 01:58:25 | TerrorByte | Just been inquiring about related things. |
| 01:59:03 | scorche | asking for it, mentioning it, same thing |
| 01:59:21 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
| 01:59:23 | scorche | it just gets on people's nerves when people do that ;) |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:10 | | Quit pagefault ("Leaving") |
| 02:00:12 | scorche | and now back to your regularly scheduled dev-talk |
| 02:00:18 | | Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) |
| 02:00:30 | pagefault | oh yay now I have edgy eft xchat |
| 02:00:35 | TerrorByte | Heh. |
| 02:00:40 | pagefault | it looks exactly the same |
| 02:00:42 | pagefault | heh |
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| 02:03:29 | linuxstb_ | blue_lizard: Is there a reason you're using the bleeding-edge gcc? I think 3.4.6 is recommended for Coldfire. |
| 02:03:47 | blue_lizard | linuxstb: sorry it was my problem |
| 02:03:59 | blue_lizard | i set the option for OSX but i dont use osx |
| 02:04:18 | blue_lizard | the version of the compiler is the version i build binutils with |
| 02:04:42 | linuxstb_ | Ah, OK. Yes, OS X uses Apple-patched gcc versions. |
| 02:04:43 | blue_lizard | not the version of binutils gcc that wil make the m68k code |
| 02:04:55 | TerrorByte | Well I gotta go for now... |
| 02:05:18 | TerrorByte | Try to get that strafing thing done if you have time pagefault :D |
| 02:05:20 | TerrorByte | Later all. |
| 02:05:21 | blue_lizard | i use that because it got installed im my debian sid chroot environment |
| 02:05:43 | | Quit TerrorByte ("'Sufficient bribes, hmmm...'") |
| 02:09:11 | blue_lizard | there is a small error in the wiki |
| 02:09:20 | blue_lizard | Build GCC |
| 02:09:35 | blue_lizard | /home/linus/build/gcc> ../../gcc-4.0.3/configure −−target=sh-elf −−prefix=/home/linus/sh1 −−enable-languages=c |
| 02:09:47 | blue_lizard | gcc-4.0.3 ist not allways true |
| 02:10:28 | blue_lizard | for iriver 3.4.6 is suggested, some people may stumble upon |
| 02:10:33 | scorche | and neither is /home/linus/sh1 |
| 02:10:42 | blue_lizard | scorche: correct |
| 02:11:03 | scorche | but if you think it should be changed, change it to something sutable...that is what a wiki is all about |
| 02:11:15 | Bec2 | I have a 320, i think somehting broke with the bootloader, when turned on, it says bootloader and the version and the harddrive stops |
| 02:11:17 | blue_lizard | /home/linus/build/gcc <- but that is nothing an user inputs |
| 02:11:24 | scorche | s/sutable/suitable |
| 02:11:31 | blue_lizard | it is the prompt of the terminal |
| 02:11:37 | scorche | ...i know |
| 02:11:38 | scorche | −−prefix=/home/linus/sh |
| 02:11:39 | Bec2 | and it still happens when I try to upgrade the firmware |
| 02:11:50 | andrewmel | #if means that the compiler will only include these parts if they are true? |
| 02:12:40 | linuxstb_ | andrewmel: Strictly speaking it's the pre-processor that processing the # directives - so the compiler never even sees the code inside #if statements if the condition is false. |
| 02:12:42 | scorche | blue_lizard: all that is needed is a little not that the prompt may change according to personal specifics or something like that |
| 02:13:05 | blue_lizard | make[2]: m68k-elf-ar: Command not found |
| 02:13:09 | blue_lizard | damed a new problem |
| 02:13:18 | andrewmel | thanks |
| 02:13:59 | linuxstb_ | blue_lizard: Either you didn't do "make install" for binutils, or the bin directory isn't in your path. |
| 02:14:34 | blue_lizard | rofl |
| 02:14:40 | blue_lizard | it is in bin/bin |
| 02:14:46 | blue_lizard | strange |
| 02:15:12 | linuxstb_ | Did you include the /bin part in the −−prefix you passed to configure? |
| 02:15:57 | blue_lizard | yes i did |
| 02:16:12 | linuxstb_ | That was the mistake. |
| 02:16:15 | blue_lizard | my error |
| 02:16:27 | blue_lizard | did that with binutils too |
| 02:16:38 | blue_lizard | delete and start over |
| 02:16:40 | blue_lizard | thx |
| 02:16:51 | linuxstb_ | No, you can carry on |
| 02:16:59 | linuxstb_ | (if you can live with the odd directory structure) |
| 02:17:11 | linuxstb_ | Just put /..../bin/bin/ in your path... |
| 02:17:35 | linuxstb_ | As long as both binutils and gcc were configured with the same prefix, all should be well. |
| 02:17:40 | blue_lizard | no problrm i made a script of the commands till now |
| 02:17:55 | blue_lizard | so it is a no brainer |
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| 02:25:37 | hcs | odd, battery_bench seems to have given up well before the battery ran out |
| 02:25:58 | amiconn | Define 'well before' |
| 02:26:01 | hcs | nvm, my mistake |
| 02:26:11 | hcs | several hours, but it wasn't battery_bench's fault |
| 02:26:41 | | Quit josep (Remote closed the connection) |
| 02:26:58 | amiconn | You ran a plugin? |
| 02:27:15 | | Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 02:27:59 | hcs | amiconn: I don't think so, the closest I got was unplugging the headphones (iPod color). |
| 02:28:15 | hcs | and upon triple check the file is far too short |
| 02:28:55 | blue_lizard | how long does it take for your ipod batery to get empty? |
| 02:29:10 | | Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) |
| 02:29:14 | hcs | the test I ran today ran for 8 hours, I only have about 4:30 here |
| 02:30:00 | blue_lizard | my h320 does it for 8h then it is empty |
| 02:30:08 | blue_lizard | h340 sorry |
| 02:30:18 | hcs | I mean the log went to 4 hours 30 minutes |
| 02:30:28 | hcs | I've gotten longer logs (over 6h) before |
| 02:31:09 | hcs | I'm going to see if the headphone jack detection has anything to do with it... |
| 02:31:19 | blue_lizard | hardly |
| 02:31:45 | blue_lizard | headphones a 'dumb' |
| 02:32:09 | hcs | I did view the playlist, could that have done something? |
| 02:32:37 | blue_lizard | dont know |
| 02:33:18 | amiconn | hcs: Very unlikely |
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| 02:33:45 | hcs | does it only write to the disk when the disk is being accessed anyway? |
| 02:33:55 | hcs | the codec I was using uses very small files |
| 02:33:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:33:59 | hcs | ah |
| 02:33:59 | linuxstb | Doesn't the playlist viewer use the plugin buffer? |
| 02:34:11 | andrewmel | Is it likely that older models will be removed from Rockbox at any time? Has this happened in the past? |
| 02:34:14 | amiconn | YOur playlist should be larger than the available ram |
| 02:34:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but only the part that's left free by the plugin |
| 02:34:44 | amiconn | That is the reason why tsr plugins must not use plugin_get_buffer() |
| 02:34:59 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ah, OK. |
| 02:35:12 | hcs | so might it be that the disk was just not accessed in those last 4 hours? |
| 02:35:36 | hcs | the last M/DA was 84 |
| 02:36:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Wee, I have the PMU interrupt working on H300 :) |
| 02:36:18 | blue_lizard | andrewmel: as far as i read in the forum such thing happended |
| 02:36:34 | amiconn | A threshold of 2.40V is too high though, had to lower it to 2.20V to make it work |
| 02:36:42 | blue_lizard | becaus the last maintainer and user has not had time fo rit |
| 02:36:59 | amiconn | No target was removed from the rockbox sources so far |
| 02:37:15 | amiconn | At least no target with a working port |
| 02:39:22 | andrewmel | the most frustrating thing about coding is to leave off a ; |
| 02:39:34 | amiconn | Nah, there are more |
| 02:39:44 | andrewmel | such as? |
| 02:40:12 | amiconn | Like not doing a full rebuild when source files containing a specific function changed, and the build system uses .a files... |
| 02:40:18 | andrewmel | I have had trouble recently forgetting to use == and using = instead. took me a while to find that |
| 02:40:51 | andrewmel | what are .a files? |
| 02:41:18 | andrewmel | <newb mode in full swing> |
| 02:41:29 | blue_lizard | on linux afaik that are static libraries |
| 02:41:41 | scorche | even more frutrating is that you realize that you cleaned and updated your source to test that the patch applies fine, when you forgot to make the patch... |
| 02:42:16 | linuxstb | Or editing a file in one copy of the Rockbox source, and compiling another... |
| 02:42:54 | scorche | at least you didnt have all of your changes reverted ;) |
| 02:44:01 | linuxstb | That's why I have lots of source trees.. |
| 02:44:34 | scorche | hehe |
| 02:44:42 | * | amiconn mostly codes in one single source tree |
| 02:44:45 | scorche | i just had to resave it form my editor, and it was fine though |
| 02:45:13 | andrewmel | hmmm. I still just have the one, but every so often I put a copy of the file I am working on into a directory on the desktop.... |
| 02:45:17 | amiconn | Others just exist for testing, preferably on another machine in order to lessen confusion |
| 02:47:18 | amiconn | Speedup from the PMU interrupt patch on H300: ~2% at 124MHz, ~3.5% at 45 MHz |
| 02:47:34 | amiconn | 11 MHz still untestable :( |
| 02:47:47 | andrewmel | sndbuf isnt some sort of reserved identifier is it? |
| 02:48:06 | | Quit z0de () |
| 02:48:09 | andrewmel | I can do this cant I |
| 02:48:11 | andrewmel | short sndbuf[sizeof(tick_sound)*2]; |
| 02:48:22 | andrewmel | and |
| 02:48:23 | andrewmel | short sndbuf2[sizeof(ding_sound)*2]; |
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| 02:49:50 | linuxstb | andrewmel: sizeof() is a C function, not a pre-processor function, so no. |
| 02:50:23 | andrewmel | no, I cant do it? |
| 02:50:48 | linuxstb | You can't do it. |
| 02:51:23 | andrewmel | This line is from the original |
| 02:51:24 | andrewmel | short sndbuf[sizeof(tick_sound)*2]; |
| 02:51:45 | linuxstb | What original? |
| 02:51:53 | andrewmel | from metronome.c |
| 02:52:06 | linuxstb | Maybe I'm talking nonsense then... |
| 02:52:12 | hcs | I don't recall getting a clear answer, if the hard drive wasn't never accessed before the battery ran out could I have potentially lost a few hours of battery_bench records? |
| 02:52:22 | hcs | *was never |
| 02:52:24 | andrewmel | it looks to me like it makes a short that is twice the size of tick_sound |
| 02:52:41 | andrewmel | It calls that short sndbuf |
| 02:52:42 | hcs | sizeof() is a C operator |
| 02:52:58 | andrewmel | So is my understanding correct so far? |
| 02:53:31 | linuxstb | hcs: Yes, I believe battery_bench only writes when the disk spins up naturally. |
| 02:53:55 | Soap | or on a time interval |
| 02:54:06 | hcs | Soap: what's that interval? |
| 02:54:11 | Soap | I don't recall the time interval, but I believe it is every 15 mins. |
| 02:54:18 | Soap | it's on the BB wiki page. |
| 02:54:35 | linuxstb | andrewmel: What's the error gcc is giving? |
| 02:54:42 | Soap | scratch that 15 min shit, I don't know where I got that number. |
| 02:54:58 | andrewmel | metronome.c: In function 'prepare_tock': |
| 02:54:59 | andrewmel | metronome.c:1207: error: syntax error before ')' token |
| 02:54:59 | andrewmel | metronome.c: At top level: |
| 02:54:59 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK andrewmel |
| 02:54:59 | andrewmel | metronome.c:1211: error: syntax error before '}' token |
| 02:54:59 | andrewmel | metronome.c: In function 'prepare_ding': |
| 02:54:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:54:59 | andrewmel | metronome.c:1216: error: syntax error before ')' token |
| 02:55:01 | andrewmel | metronome.c: At top level: |
| 02:55:03 | andrewmel | metronome.c:1220: error: syntax error before '}' token |
| 02:55:05 | andrewmel | make[2]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-devel/make_ipod5g/apps/plugins/metronome.o] Error 1 |
| 02:55:07 | andrewmel | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 02:55:09 | andrewmel | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 02:55:44 | andrewmel | and lines 1199 - 1211 are |
| 02:55:46 | andrewmel | short sndbuf[sizeof(tick_sound)*2]; |
| 02:55:47 | andrewmel | short sndbuf2[sizeof(ding_sound)*2]; |
| 02:55:47 | andrewmel | void prepare_tock(void) |
| 02:55:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 02:55:47 | andrewmel | { |
| 02:55:48 | hcs | Soap: it says an hour on the wiki, but I lost more than an hour's worth of records |
| 02:55:49 | andrewmel | int i; |
| 02:55:51 | andrewmel | for(i = 0;i < (int)sizeof(tick_sound)/2;i+) { |
| 02:55:53 | andrewmel | sndbuf[i*2] = tick_sound[i]; |
| 02:55:55 | andrewmel | sndbuf[i*2+1] = tick_sound[i]; |
| 02:55:57 | linuxstb | andrewmel: http://www.pastebin.ca |
| 02:55:57 | andrewmel | } |
| 02:55:59 | andrewmel | } |
| 02:56:40 | hcs | andrewmel: i+? |
| 02:56:42 | linuxstb | andrewmel: The problem is the "i+". It should be i++ ( I guess) |
| 02:56:59 | Soap | hcs, you can easilt lose the last hour as there isn't enough power to spin the drive. |
| 02:57:15 | hcs | Soap: yeah, I can appreciate that, but I'm missing 4 hours |
| 02:57:28 | andrewmel | aaaaahhhhhhhhrhrrhhrrhrhhrrhrhrhaslkfaweoi;fjaw |
| 02:57:31 | andrewmel | thanks :) |
| 02:57:31 | Soap | What I did when I did my battery tests was to do it once, and use that time to know when to start monitoring. |
| 02:57:39 | andrewmel | dont know where that little + went |
| 02:57:55 | Soap | You could also plug your player into the line-in jack of your soundcard, and record, so you know exactly when it died. |
| 02:58:28 | hcs | Soap: true, I was listening to it anyway, and I remember when I started so I have a rough estimate, I'd just like to have the hard facts |
| 02:59:25 | andrewmel | I will pass (sndbuf and tick_sound) or (sndbuf2 and ding_sound) as parameters when tidy up :) |
| 02:59:41 | hcs | ah well, tomorrow is another day, I'll make a point of peeking at the file browser once an hour or so next time |
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| 02:59:59 | TerrorByte | Wow, Doom Plutonia is so damn hard. |
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| 03:00:22 | linuxstb | TerrorByte: I know what you need... |
| 03:00:38 | TerrorByte | Lol what linuxstb? |
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| 03:00:55 | * | scorche sighs |
| 03:01:33 | * | linuxstb wonders what happened to the Doom author |
| 03:01:36 | TerrorByte | Huh? |
| 03:01:41 | TerrorByte | I'm lost. |
| 03:02:11 | amiconn | hcs: battery_bench writes every hour when the disk doesn't spinup before - but only when no music is playing. If music is playing but disk doesn't spin, it will never write |
| 03:02:47 | hcs | amiconn: yeah, that must have been the trick, I was testing the NSF player |
| 03:03:10 | amiconn | battery_bench.c lines 262..269 |
| 03:03:21 | TerrorByte | Fine, don't tell me. |
| 03:03:30 | z0de | Who wants to reccomend a theme for an x5/ |
| 03:04:00 | hcs | amiconn: ah, cool, I'll just take those extra conditions out, then |
| 03:04:01 | TerrorByte | Wow, there are human commandos, revenants and other crap to face just in the first level. |
| 03:05:03 | TerrorByte | Yeah, Mancubuses as well. |
| 03:05:07 | scorche | TerrorByte: honestly, i dont care...and i doubt anyone else in this channel does |
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| 03:05:31 | amiconn | hcs: If you remove the first part of the condition (with all that #ifdefing), it should always write after an hour with no spinup |
| 03:05:39 | TerrorByte | Ouch. |
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| 03:05:58 | z0de | why are certain themes incompatable with the newest daily build? |
| 03:06:00 | hcs | amiconn: yes, that was my intention, and I think I'll be shortening the timeout to 30 minutes, as well |
| 03:06:38 | scorche | z0de: any such themes should say so |
| 03:06:44 | andrewmel | z0de, some themes need extra patches (e.g. the album art patch) that have not yet been committed to the current version |
| 03:07:00 | scorche | and it is because they use patches that add features or something else that...yeah |
| 03:07:04 | z0de | oo |
| 03:07:26 | z0de | can i safly patch the daily build with a suggested patch (link in theme) |
| 03:07:43 | z0de | im looking at blackglass for the x5 |
| 03:07:55 | scorche | if the patch is synced with cvs, yes |
| 03:08:09 | scorche | you will find out when you try to patch it |
| 03:08:23 | z0de | oh |
| 03:08:27 | Jack_ | When I try to run bmp2rb to generate the image 'code' to put in a different file, how come it appears badly when I try to display it on my Sansa e250? |
| 03:08:31 | z0de | ive never patched before |
| 03:09:17 | andrewmel | z0de, I suggest this tutorial |
| 03:09:18 | andrewmel | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 |
| 03:09:36 | z0de | thanks for that. |
| 03:09:45 | andrewmel | or download a build with the patches applied. see this forum |
| 03:09:45 | andrewmel | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 |
| 03:10:41 | z0de | nothing for the x5 there |
| 03:11:43 | linuxstb | Jack_: What "-f" option are you using? And what do you mean by "appears badly" ? |
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| 03:31:12 | Kitt0s | patch −−dry-run −−binary -p0 < patchfilename |
| 03:31:14 | Kitt0s | this cmd works?!? |
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| 03:31:41 | scorche | well, it tests if it is going to work |
| 03:31:53 | Kitt0s | yea |
| 03:31:55 | Kitt0s | so nice |
| 03:31:55 | Kitt0s | :] |
| 03:34:24 | myzar | wait |
| 03:34:24 | myzar | WHAT WORKS |
| 03:39:08 | z0de | how would i go about making my own theme? |
| 03:40:26 | andrewmel | z0de, I would download a simple theme, open the .wps file and look at it along with this page |
| 03:40:37 | andrewmel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 03:40:51 | andrewmel | and this tutorial |
| 03:40:51 | andrewmel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 03:41:05 | andrewmel | they will let you know what can be done, and how to do it. |
| 03:42:18 | z0de | cool |
| 03:42:29 | z0de | ill let you know if anything comes of it. |
| 03:42:47 | Soap | yea, the best bet is to start simple, play, then make the WPS of your dreams after you have successfully made some damn boring ones. |
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| 03:49:54 | z0de | can someone send me the font helvR10 its not in the fonts section on the site. |
| 03:50:25 | andrewmel | if you go here |
| 03:50:26 | andrewmel | http://forums.rockbox.org/ |
| 03:50:31 | andrewmel | and do a search for fonts |
| 03:50:50 | andrewmel | you will find a link to the fonts package. it is no longer included with the cvs |
| 03:51:11 | scorche | the link is on the daily builds page among other places |
| 03:51:20 | z0de | im asking so meny nooby questions today, next time just tell me to rtfm |
| 03:51:24 | z0de | thanks thou |
| 03:51:55 | andrewmel | rtfm :) |
| 03:52:45 | z0de | :P |
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| 04:03:31 | Jack_ | Sorry about the delay. From: |
| 04:03:33 | Jack_ | [21:11] linuxstb: Jack_: What "-f" option are you using? And what do you mean by "appears badly" ? |
| 04:03:33 | Jack_ | I didn't add the "-f" option since the player (SanDisk Sansa e200) wasn't listed there |
| 04:08:26 | Jack_ | By "appears badly" I mean the logo barely appears at all, meaning at the very top, I see about 10 pixels, possibly saying ROCKbox, then some 'noise' followed by about 20 pixels of a pale "line" followed by more noice |
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| 04:11:59 | Jack_ | Any suggestions? |
| 04:12:01 | linuxstb | Jack_: Try using "-f 5" - that's the option defined for bmp2rb for the Sansa in tools/configure |
| 04:12:14 | Jack_ | Ok |
| 04:12:14 | linuxstb | If not, try -f 4. |
| 04:12:22 | linuxstb | It should be one of those two. |
| 04:12:32 | Jack_ | Ok, trying -f 5 now |
| 04:17:38 | Jack_ | I'm in luck |
| 04:17:47 | Jack_ | I tried -f 4 first, and it worked :D |
| 04:18:03 | Jack_ | Thanks linuxstb |
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| 04:20:03 | Jack_ | I'm gonna head out for the night |
| 04:20:09 | Jack_ | Laters |
| 04:20:24 | Jack_ | Thanks again linuxstb ;) |
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| 04:40:43 | andrewmel | Just to make sure, the iPod is a SWCODEC player isnt it? |
| 04:48:54 | linuxstb | Yes. Only the Archos targets are HWCODEC. |
| 04:51:58 | andrewmel | thanks. |
| 04:52:41 | andrewmel | it feels like I am close to getting it, but the bloody thing is crashing sometimes when I attempt to get it to go |
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| 18:36:18 | Soap | or an eight gig CF card. |
| 18:36:56 | TerrorByte | Well I gotta go for now. |
| 18:37:01 | TerrorByte | A lot of work to do. |
| 18:37:08 | TerrorByte | Don't want any distractions. |
| 18:37:10 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 18:37:34 | TerrorByte | Later. |
| 18:38:23 | Stalwart | i press "next" and file window scrolls right, no menu |
| 18:38:30 | Stalwart | wtf? |
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| 18:38:43 | TerrorByte1 | !!!! |
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| 18:40:29 | markun | Stalwart: that's normal |
| 18:40:42 | Stalwart | crwl: said there's filemanager menu |
| 18:42:12 | markun | on my player (iriver H120) you need to hold the 'select' button |
| 18:42:32 | Stalwart | ah, found |
| 18:42:40 | Stalwart | on ipod it's center button |
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| 18:43:49 | Guest101011 | !! |
| 18:44:10 | Guest101011 | Hey. |
| 18:44:12 | Guest101011 | Can someone kick TerrorByte |
| 18:44:15 | Guest101011 | That's me..... |
| 18:44:22 | Stalwart | use ghost command |
| 18:44:23 | Guest101011 | But yeah, something screwed up. |
| 18:44:32 | Guest101011 | Huh? |
| 18:44:38 | Soap | use /msg nickserv ghost TerrorByte <password> |
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| 18:44:50 | Stalwart | i found a bug? |
| 18:44:55 | Guest101011 | :) |
| 18:44:58 | | Nick Guest101011 is now known as TerrorByte (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ginnypig.net/x-348bb2b4ec5ec021) |
| 18:45:06 | TerrorByte | Thanks. |
| 18:45:09 | Stalwart | when i enter filebrowser, then menu i can't get back to WPS anymore |
| 18:45:14 | markun | TerrorByte: didn't you want to leave anyway? |
| 18:45:25 | TerrorByte | Yes. |
| 18:45:27 | TerrorByte | BUT..... |
| 18:45:29 | TerrorByte | Had to say this: |
| 18:45:33 | Soap | Stalwart - from menu you can toggle out of menu with the menu button |
| 18:45:38 | TerrorByte | Rockbox.org is BACK UP! :) |
| 18:45:47 | Soap | Stalwart from the file browser you get to the WPS with the play button on your ipod. |
| 18:45:47 | Stalwart | Soap: and i return to file broswer |
| 18:45:51 | Soap | righ |
| 18:45:57 | Stalwart | ah... |
| 18:46:01 | Soap | file tree is where you launched the menu from. |
| 18:46:11 | TerrorByte | The channel topic should be changed. |
| 18:46:14 | Stalwart | someone (me?) should work on usability |
| 18:46:18 | Soap | if you launch the menu from the WPS menu will exit you to the WPS. |
| 18:46:28 | Soap | Stalwart - where is the usability problem? |
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| 18:46:47 | Stalwart | controls aren't intuitive |
| 18:47:01 | Soap | lets start this, be specific... |
| 18:47:28 | Stalwart | i don't like the menu and filebrowser seaparation |
| 18:47:39 | Stalwart | menu should be called from filebrowser only |
| 18:47:56 | Soap | what? |
| 18:48:00 | Soap | why? |
| 18:48:01 | Stalwart | i don't like next/prev menu navigation on ipod, it isn't ergonomic |
| 18:48:07 | Soap | omg |
| 18:48:15 | TerrorByte | Yay, rockbox.org is backup. :D |
| 18:48:24 | Stalwart | i don't like menu structure - i want to remake it |
| 18:48:26 | Soap | You would make me exit the WPS to the file tree, THEN to the menu? |
| 18:48:42 | Stalwart | i want ME to do this that way |
| 18:48:49 | Soap | using forward and back buttons isn't ergonomic? |
| 18:48:58 | Stalwart | yes, it isn't at all |
| 18:49:11 | Stalwart | at least on ipod |
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| 18:51:51 | Topic | "www.rockbox.org is the place" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 18:52:14 | Soap | I'll shush markun. |
| 18:52:54 | TerrorByte | :) |
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| 19:13:29 | linuxstb | Stalwart: It sounds like you just want to mimic the Apple firmware? |
| 19:17:46 | Stalwart | it sounds like i don't like non-intuitive stuff |
| 19:18:09 | Stalwart | that's why i don't like microsoft software and drugs |
| 19:18:38 | markun | drugs are not intuitive?? |
| 19:18:46 | SUSaiyan | i was about to say that |
| 19:19:18 | linuxstb | Stalwart: I'm just asking... Are you wanting to recreate the Apple firmware? |
| 19:20:02 | * | SUSaiyan prefers the apple controls to the default rockbox one |
| 19:20:32 | * | markun doesn't know how either works on the ipods |
| 19:20:56 | linuxstb | The Apple firmware is basically just a single menu, and everything (including WPS) is a screen in that menu. |
| 19:21:39 | markun | linuxstb: I have been thinking of doing that for rockbox as well :) |
| 19:21:43 | SUSaiyan | yeah |
| 19:21:49 | SUSaiyan | i like that more :) |
| 19:21:52 | bluebrother | hmm. Rockbox is intuitive, it just needs a bit more learning. |
| 19:21:53 | linuxstb | So on one hand it's simple, but it can be annoying to have to navigate up and down the menus to do things, and there are no shortcuts between screens. |
| 19:22:22 | Genre9mp3 | Simplicity isn't always good... it can get boring too |
| 19:22:27 | markun | what does the menu button do? Bring you to the main menu? |
| 19:22:29 | SUSaiyan | there are shortcuts in rockbox? |
| 19:22:36 | bluebrother | it's a bit like some open source programs ... you need to learn a bit more but afterwards it's way more logical than the "usual" stuff. |
| 19:22:49 | Genre9mp3 | Rockbox is very intuitive... just get used to it (and to the idea) |
| 19:23:01 | linuxstb | bluebrother: On the ipod, the problem is the lack of buttons, which makes it hard to find consistent keymappings that work on all screens. e.g. there is no "cancel" or "back" button - the Apple firmware uses MENU for that purpose, but Rockbox uses MENU to enter the main menu... |
| 19:23:38 | Soap | yea, changing key assignments in Ipod Rockbox alone won't work worth a dang, as rockbox has (let's call it) 2 trees and 1 static destination (the WPS) whereas the Apple firmware consists of one tree. |
| 19:23:41 | Genre9mp3 | The lack of buttons is a problem in general for iPods |
| 19:24:25 | TeaSea | Yeah every time I get an ipod i'm like "Wait how the fuck do I use this?" |
| 19:24:31 | Soap | changing button assignments wont be enough, because since the filetree and menu are seperate entities, there needs to be a way to toggle between them, and using apple firmware button assignments doesn't give you one. |
| 19:24:36 | markun | me too :) |
| 19:24:37 | TeaSea | Things just aren't intuitive. |
| 19:25:44 | Soap | At least with Apple rockbox the buttons do what their label says they do. Menu takes you in and out of the menu. Play takes you to the whilePlayingscreen, and forward and back always take you forward and back in the tree, be it the file tree or the menu tree. |
| 19:27:47 | Genre9mp3 | heh... speaking of iPods have you seen this? : http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205531 |
| 19:28:55 | Genre9mp3 | actually, this is a better link: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2177 |
| 19:29:17 | daurn|laptop | Genre9mp3: seen it |
| 19:30:10 | blue_lizard | sorry for my opinion but think that thing is sh*t |
| 19:30:27 | blue_lizard | a to to be sold good thats all |
| 19:30:31 | blue_lizard | toy |
| 19:30:40 | Genre9mp3 | I think that if they follow this path, things are going to be even worse! |
| 19:30:50 | blue_lizard | multi-functional hand-held devices <- rofl |
| 19:31:18 | blue_lizard | as more a thing gets multifunctional a more problems you have with it |
| 19:31:31 | Genre9mp3 | unecessary complex IMO |
| 19:31:32 | Soap | I expect if they release a video player it will be an additional model, not a replacement for the current 5.5G |
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| 19:32:14 | blue_lizard | would this thing even be able to playback mp3s? |
| 19:32:33 | blue_lizard | it will do alot of things i know |
| 19:32:35 | Soap | which makes many of the complaints moot, as it won't be deisgned to be an "ipod plus" but an entirely different device. |
| 19:33:11 | blue_lizard | sensitive have allway been a technikal problem |
| 19:33:20 | Genre9mp3 | It seems that DAPs are not so DAPs anymore... pity |
| 19:33:21 | blue_lizard | sensitive surfaces have allway been a technikal problem |
| 19:33:33 | Genre9mp3 | DAP =Digital AUDIO Player ;) |
| 19:33:55 | blue_lizard | they are ok in meeting on the desk but in normal life they tend to be to sensitiv or too unsensitive |
| 19:34:21 | blue_lizard | will they deliver an pen too for that thing? |
| 19:34:55 | Stalwart | multifunctional deviced must die! *kicks pocketpc lying on the floor* |
| 19:35:28 | blue_lizard | they should not die but there are two things i really dont want multifunctional |
| 19:35:36 | blue_lizard | my phone and my mp3player |
| 19:36:13 | Stalwart | i want my multifunctional pda to be more functional =P |
| 19:36:25 | Stalwart | it just sucks in every task it can do |
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| 19:37:44 | blue_lizard | Apple to release two iPhone models, one with WiFi <- wifi? |
| 19:37:52 | blue_lizard | the next targe for ddos |
| 19:37:55 | blue_lizard | +t |
| 19:38:32 | blue_lizard | iPod-based cell phone models <- i knew it |
| 19:38:52 | Stalwart | o.O |
| 19:39:01 | Stalwart | phone plugin for rockbox? =P |
| 19:39:08 | blue_lizard | then you need to buy music from itunes and it get billed on your phone costs |
| 19:39:34 | daurn|laptop | hrhr |
| 19:39:56 | blue_lizard | http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2146 |
| 19:42:50 | lex | no pictures of iphone? :( |
| 19:44:54 | blue_lizard | pictures? oh we need to mail apple the thing also need a camera |
| 19:45:15 | blue_lizard | at least 5mp and 10x optical zoom |
| 19:46:08 | Stalwart | and coffee maker |
| 19:47:08 | thegeek | I hate cameraphones |
| 19:47:10 | thegeek | fucking stupid |
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| 19:52:42 | SUSaiyan | eh, heres a question, will rockbox automaticly adjust to daylight savings time? |
| 19:53:02 | obo | no |
| 19:53:04 | SUSaiyan | darn |
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| 19:53:33 | z0de | i request that someone should make it do that. |
| 19:53:46 | SUSaiyan | before 3 am tonight please :P |
| 19:54:21 | z0de | chop chop :P |
| 19:54:27 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 19:54:29 | bluebrother | I request a coffee maker plugin :-P |
| 19:54:40 | Stalwart | it's hardware feature |
| 19:54:41 | Soap | that would also require a hardware calandar as well as clock. |
| 19:54:52 | SUSaiyan | an ipod has both |
| 19:55:10 | linuxstb | All targets with an RTC know the date as well as time. |
| 19:55:20 | SUSaiyan | :) |
| 19:55:31 | bluebrother | I'd rather suggest adding a timezone setting and running the RTC with UTC. |
| 19:55:51 | bluebrother | but as my player doesn't has a RTC I don't mind ;-) |
| 19:56:09 | Soap | I did not know all targets with a RTC also knew the date. I'll be damned. |
| 19:56:12 | z0de | rtc>? |
| 19:56:16 | obo | real time clock |
| 19:56:42 | z0de | as apposed to a fake time clock? |
| 19:56:56 | blue_lizard | yes rtc is areal wonder of modern technology |
| 19:57:10 | z0de | neat |
| 19:57:11 | bluebrother | how would you fake the current time? |
| 19:57:23 | blue_lizard | the clock is allwys to quick or to slow but who cares |
| 19:57:24 | z0de | so really whats makes a time clock real |
| 19:57:30 | Soap | z0de as compared to a clock like in your vcr which starts anew every time it gets powered on. |
| 19:57:33 | SUSaiyan | by putting 2430ms in 1 second? |
| 19:57:45 | z0de | thanks Soap |
| 19:57:52 | SUSaiyan | aha |
| 19:58:05 | z0de | rtc remembers |
| 19:58:08 | * | dan_a recognises bits of a string on the Sansa flash |
| 19:58:17 | SUSaiyan | doesnt it need power to remember? |
| 19:58:21 | blue_lizard | rtc does not remember |
| 19:58:30 | petur | z0de: rtc = clock that can keep 'world' time. non-realtime clock = internal clock with no real reference (ie start counting on power-on) |
| 19:58:30 | Soap | yes, it is always running. |
| 19:58:32 | bluebrother | an RTC is a clock |
| 19:58:36 | blue_lizard | it has an battery and runs while the main uinit is powered off |
| 19:58:48 | * | petur learns to read before typing |
| 19:58:49 | bluebrother | it's similar to the way your PC keeps the time when powered off |
| 19:58:55 | SUSaiyan | and what if the battery dies :P |
| 19:59:03 | blue_lizard | then the clock is dead |
| 19:59:04 | obo | bye bye clock |
| 19:59:25 | blue_lizard | will happen on every device somewhere between 8-10 years |
| 19:59:30 | SUSaiyan | thankfully it needs very little power |
| 19:59:30 | Soap | except your PC has a clock backup battery, and I don't believe the ipod does, the RTC runs off the primary battery pack. |
| 19:59:31 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 19:59:34 | bluebrother | in the case of your PC you need to replace a battery. There are devices you can't swap that battery. |
| 19:59:43 | z0de | happened to my saturn so i got a new battery |
| 19:59:50 | SUSaiyan | the ipod doesnt really need one does it? |
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| 20:00:04 | petur | actually, I think the rtc chip just takes its power from the main battery - no separate backup-battery |
| 20:00:05 | bluebrother | the ipod has its main battery pack, so it doesn't need one |
| 20:00:08 | SUSaiyan | unless you dont charge it for a very long time |
| 20:00:11 | blue_lizard | z0de: go to saturn and tell that those bastards |
| 20:00:32 | blue_lizard | but you should at least search for an woman |
| 20:00:47 | blue_lizard | maybe she looks good then you at leas have something to watch to |
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| 20:02:12 | z0de | so for my clock to remember i need to go to a different planet in search of a mate? |
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| 20:03:32 | blue_lizard | i would say if the clock dies your device will be technically outdated anyway |
| 20:05:01 | z0de | the saturn is still good |
| 20:05:39 | SUSaiyan | whats the nano's battery capacity anyway? |
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| 20:27:04 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I wanted to make sure your patch is still in sync with CVS. I'm going to the studio in four hours., |
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| 20:27:35 | Davide-NYC | 24/96 optical SPDIF. nice. |
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| 20:28:55 | dan_a | Woo-hoo! I'm getting somewhere with the Sansa disk driver! |
| 20:29:22 | Davide-NYC | \o/ |
| 20:29:34 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: Are you around? |
| 20:30:01 | SUSaiyan | soo does anyone know what the nano's battery capacity is? |
| 20:30:24 | Davide-NYC | It seems I can't test "garbage" sample rates. Which in my opinion is a good thing since they are useless for anything 'audio' related if you use my definitions. |
| 20:30:27 | Davide-NYC | 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz |
| 20:30:29 | Davide-NYC | that's it |
| 20:30:45 | Davide-NYC | the last two being the ones of interest. |
| 20:30:51 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
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| 20:36:43 | Stalwart | oh yeah, aac decoder is damn slow |
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| 20:37:12 | lostlogic | Interesting, the ability to sleep threads stops working after 1/2 as much runtime as when the current_tick wraps... and if I make the changes I'm working on to the scheduler, that'll become 1/4 (at 100 hz, that's still 62 days, if I calculate right) |
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| 20:40:52 | Stalwart | how to convert .pcf fonts to rockbox's .fnt? |
| 20:41:24 | dan_a | Could anyone tell me about ata_read_sectors? Is the start parameter the sector number of the first sector to read? |
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| 20:57:06 | Vulcan | hey |
| 20:57:24 | Soap | straw? |
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| 20:59:19 | * | Vulcan is trying to compile rockbox for the first time |
| 21:00 |
| 21:01:19 | * | Stalwart is trying to make WPS that doesn't suck |
| 21:01:51 | Vulcan | hah, for what platform? |
| 21:02:03 | Stalwart | ipod nano |
| 21:02:33 | Vulcan | ah, if you need any help I would love to assist |
| 21:03:00 | Vulcan | I can do graphics, but I've never actually triedm aking a wps |
| 21:03:03 | Stalwart | i'm reading wps making guide now |
| 21:03:13 | Vulcan | any ideas on what you want it to look like? |
| 21:03:42 | Stalwart | like gnome |
| 21:04:02 | Stalwart | bar on top, bar on bottom, otehr stuff centered |
| 21:05:39 | Vulcan | you should look into using the julius patches |
| 21:05:45 | Vulcan | so you can use different font sizes |
| 21:06:01 | Stalwart | i don't need it |
| 21:06:14 | Vulcan | I think it makes a big impact on how it looks |
| 21:06:21 | Stalwart | i like visual info like icons and progressbars |
| 21:06:36 | Vulcan | I mean for litk the artist and title information though |
| 21:06:45 | Vulcan | it shoudl generaly be bigger than say the playback time |
| 21:07:20 | Stalwart | i'll keep it for 0.2 =P |
| 21:08:29 | Vulcan | I'm totaly lost as to what I am doign with compiling this |
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| 21:09:34 | Stalwart | can i make comments in .wps? |
| 21:09:55 | Stalwart | # never mind |
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| 21:14:48 | lostlogic | Slasheri: what do you think of this: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/scheduler_boost_ctrl_enhanced.patch <−− I think it's a bit nicer way to do scheduler boost control, more useful in cases outside of playback (games perhaps?) |
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| 21:16:24 | Vulcan | is there a simpler compiling/patching guide somewhere? |
| 21:16:36 | Vulcan | I'm failing to understand whats going on there following the wiki |
| 21:18:11 | Rincewind | are you looking at the page simple guide to compiling? |
| 21:18:21 | mvo2 | try the debian vmware image for compiling |
| 21:19:32 | Vulcan | mvo2, thats what I'm using |
| 21:19:45 | Vulcan | I'm finding debian to be confusing in itself |
| 21:20:07 | Vulcan | what little linux experience I have is in ubuntu |
| 21:20:25 | Vulcan | Rincewind, is it in the wiki? |
| 21:20:40 | Rincewind | yes, just search for SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 21:20:40 | Vulcan | foudn it. |
| 21:21:37 | Vulcan | will this work the same within debian? |
| 21:22:13 | mvo2 | yea |
| 21:22:33 | mvo2 | well, allmost the same. |
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| 21:24:04 | Kitt0s | can rockbox show PPT? |
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| 21:24:30 | markun | Kitt0s: no |
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| 21:24:42 | Kitt0s | y not ?:| |
| 21:24:45 | Kitt0s | it should!! |
| 21:24:45 | Vyath | Evening |
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| 21:24:53 | Vulcan | PPT? |
| 21:25:01 | markun | Kitt0s: powerpoint, right? |
| 21:25:04 | Kitt0s | yea |
| 21:25:06 | Genre9mp3 | power point presentations? hah! |
| 21:25:08 | Vulcan | erm.. powerpoint?! |
| 21:25:12 | Kitt0s | yea yea |
| 21:25:15 | Kitt0s | it should |
| 21:25:18 | Vulcan | the point of that would be? |
| 21:25:18 | Kitt0s | would be so c00l |
| 21:25:18 | Kitt0s | :D |
| 21:25:21 | Genre9mp3 | it should not |
| 21:25:23 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
| 21:25:38 | Vulcan | on the ipods with video out mayyybe it woudl be useful |
| 21:25:49 | Vulcan | but other than that it woudl be a waste |
| 21:26:05 | markun | Kitt0s: just take screenshots of your sheets and vieuw them with the jpeg viewer :) |
| 21:26:07 | Vulcan | and I'm honestly not sure that it woudl even be possible on in that situation anyway |
| 21:26:07 | Vyath | Say, does anyone know if there's support for USB charging on the X5 planned for Rockbox? |
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| 21:27:56 | Vyath | I'll take that as a no? |
| 21:28:08 | markun | Vyath: does it work with the original firmware? |
| 21:28:13 | Vyath | Yeah |
| 21:28:15 | Vulcan | I would assume it will be done eventually Vyath |
| 21:28:23 | Vulcan | just a matter of time |
| 21:28:38 | markun | yes, I don't see how you can think we wouldn't want to support it |
| 21:28:52 | Vulcan | okay |
| 21:29:03 | Vyath | I've been browsing through the forums the past couple of days to avoid asking silly questions that were asked already and couldn't find any post about it - thats's all |
| 21:29:21 | Vulcan | can someone tell me what the difference between the rockbox/ and rockbox-devel/ folders are |
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| 21:30:46 | Vyath | Overall I think Rockbox is brilliant, and I haven't encountered any major bugs on the daily x5 version so I reckon that's the only thing keeping it from being 100% superior to the original crappy cowon firmware |
| 21:31:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | Vyath: Things usually aren't planned, but the exceptions are "hardware features", things the hardware is 'supposed' to do. Those are usually planned, though there's no timeline. |
| 21:32:14 | Vulcan | I'm hopping to actually get involved in the project once I figure out compiling |
| 21:32:35 | Vulcan | I know C++ and Java, so hopefully I can actually make some controbutions |
| 21:32:57 | Vulcan | just a matter of figuring out the basics of how it all works |
| 21:33:28 | Vyath | Vulcan: and submitting your device to alpha-testing abuse, that is :) |
| 21:33:39 | Vulcan | haha |
| 21:34:21 | Vulcan | someone still needs to come up with some good software for syncing my library |
| 21:34:41 | Vulcan | mediamonkey works but its bloated |
| 21:35:25 | * | Stalwart draws backdrop in inksacpe |
| 21:35:28 | Stalwart | *inkscape |
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| 21:44:19 | Vulcan | okay, I give up on using debian.. I'm goign to try the cygwin route |
| 21:45:36 | Soap | what is it about debian which throws you? |
| 21:45:58 | Vulcan | I'm having alot of trouble visualizing where everything is |
| 21:46:14 | Vulcan | I'm not used to doing eveything through a command prompt |
| 21:46:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well cygwin's exactly the same in that context. |
| 21:47:01 | Vulcan | but, I can still use explored to get my berrings |
| 21:47:05 | Vulcan | explorer* |
| 21:47:16 | Soap | windows explorer? |
| 21:47:21 | Vulcan | yes |
| 21:47:47 | hcs | I assume the vmware image is the bare minimum and doesn't include anything graphical, like, say, Nautilus? |
| 21:48:04 | Bagder | it runs samba so you can "explore" it anyway |
| 21:48:09 | Bagder | afaik |
| 21:48:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes |
| 21:48:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | this is true |
| 21:48:24 | Vulcan | I saw that samba was included, but I'm not familiar with it |
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| 21:48:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | I use ConText on windows to browse and edit the files in the Debian VMWare. |
| 21:48:50 | Stalwart | hey, i can't get backdrop to work |
| 21:49:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Vulcan: Just pretend like it's a computer on your network named Debian with a login and password the same as logging into the image. Access it via \\Debian\User (User is where your files are) |
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| 21:49:46 | mvo2 | samba is preconfigured, just type "//debian" |
| 21:50:18 | mvo2 | oops \\debian like paul said |
| 21:50:23 | Stalwart | 6 backdrop: /.rockbox/wps/nanology/nanology.bmp |
| 21:50:28 | Stalwart | why it doesn't work? |
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| 21:52:54 | Vulcan | would winscp work? |
| 21:53:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Vulcan: I don't even know what that is... you can access the files just by browsing to them in explorer. |
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| 21:54:05 | Bagder | Vulcan: sure, if you run sshd on the vmware side |
| 21:54:18 | markun | Paul_the_Nerd: he wants secure file copy.. you never know :) |
| 21:54:19 | Bagder | with the sftp extension enabled |
| 21:54:54 | Vulcan | well, how do I get windows to pick up the samba share Paul_the_Nerd? |
| 21:55:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Vulcan: Start->Run \\Debian\ |
| 21:55:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Vulcan: Or browse to it via the "Network Neighborhood" or whatever they're calling it these days |
| 21:55:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | My Network Computers? |
| 21:55:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Something like that. |
| 21:55:46 | Vulcan | I had already looked there |
| 21:55:59 | Vulcan | but, \\Debian\ worked |
| 21:55:59 | Soap | "My Network Places" |
| 21:56:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: I noticed something on the Forum Stats today. The e200 thread has more views than the "Senab's Build" unsupported build thread. Apparently it is a quite popular player, or at least has generated a lot of interest |
| 21:56:45 | Bagder | yeps |
| 21:57:03 | Bagder | hopefully it means we'll get some new developers if we get rockbox to run on it |
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| 21:57:44 | Bagder | I got a great email on a related topic today |
| 21:57:50 | Bagder | "I kill my sansa e250 player, may be you help me ?" |
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| 21:58:24 | Vulcan | hah |
| 21:58:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | "I'm sorry, but contract killing is illegal in my country of residence" |
| 21:58:32 | Bagder | I'm becoming the general guy to email with whatever that can be related to the sansa e200 |
| 21:59:01 | Vulcan | argh I need another monitor or something |
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| 21:59:34 | Vulcan | question, on the samba share I see 'homes' and 'user' |
| 21:59:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | User is where your files are |
| 21:59:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | Since your username is 'user' |
| 21:59:54 | Vulcan | both of them have the 'rockbox' and 'rockbox-devel' folders |
| 21:59:57 | linuxstb | Stalwart: Is nanology.bmp a 176x132 24-bit bitmap? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:03 | * | petur discovers that rockbox and Bagder's page are on page 2 when googling for sansa e200 :) |
| 22:00:15 | Stalwart | linuxstb: got it to work already |
| 22:00:24 | Bagder | gosh |
| 22:01:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Vulcan: Really they're the same folder in this context, either will work |
| 22:01:25 | linuxstb | petur: Not for me... What did you search for? |
| 22:01:26 | Vulcan | okay |
| 22:01:34 | Stalwart | where's docs about theme files? |
| 22:01:54 | petur | linuxstb: just sansa e200 (but this is google.be) |
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| 22:03:02 | petur | same on google.com |
| 22:03:18 | petur | http://www.google.com/search?q=sansa+e200&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N |
| 22:03:35 | ircleuser | !seen dj-fu |
| 22:03:38 | ircleuser | seen dj-fu |
| 22:03:41 | ircleuser | .seen dj-fu |
| 22:03:43 | ircleuser | ;[ |
| 22:04:43 | ircleuser | myzar hi2u -.- |
| 22:04:43 | linuxstb | petur: I must have been blind... |
| 22:05:23 | Stalwart | is there an RSS feed for changelog? |
| 22:05:43 | Bagder | there's a RSS feed for commit mails |
| 22:05:53 | Stalwart | where it is? |
| 22:06:12 | linuxstb | http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.cvs |
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| 22:07:50 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | I just bought an iRiver h340 |
| 22:07:59 | ircleuser | myzar u there? |
| 22:08:23 | petur | cowonx5_iriverh3: I would never have guassed :p |
| 22:08:31 | petur | guessed even |
| 22:08:44 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | yeah my nick kinda says it :P |
| 22:08:48 | preglow | lostlogic: might very well be a nice idea, that |
| 22:09:14 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | $250 shipped |
| 22:09:19 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | (used though) |
| 22:09:26 | ircleuser | u knw what u need? |
| 22:09:37 | ircleuser | buy 1,000 shares of Comcast! |
| 22:09:42 | ircleuser | its mad money |
| 22:09:48 | ircleuser | up 60% |
| 22:10:02 | Kick | (#Rockbox ircleuser :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
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| 22:10:20 | ircleuser | :( |
| 22:10:28 | Bagder | one more crap from you and you're banned |
| 22:10:43 | Stalwart | autorejoin after kick is lame, you should be banned for this only! |
| 22:10:44 | ircleuser | alright srry mate. |
| 22:11:13 | Stalwart | i can't find doc about theme file structure |
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| 22:11:39 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | anybody tired of always buying a new DAP every year? I know I am :( |
| 22:11:52 | preglow | then don't |
| 22:11:58 | preglow | hell, my first dap was the h120, and i've still got that |
| 22:12:05 | preglow | plus a nano, of course... |
| 22:12:11 | Stalwart | cowonx5_iriverh3: last year i killed 4 DAPs |
| 22:12:16 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | lol |
| 22:12:26 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | I guess we abuse them too much |
| 22:12:26 | ircleuser | i like the new nano, its revolutionized ;D |
| 22:12:29 | Stalwart | now i bought nano, it seems tougher |
| 22:12:40 | ircleuser | its slick |
| 22:12:48 | Stalwart | new nano doesn't run rockbox, therefore it sucks |
| 22:12:55 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | preglow, but I have to have my music with me ;) |
| 22:13:01 | ircleuser | really? |
| 22:13:03 | ircleuser | why not? |
| 22:14:02 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | from rockbox.org: (Nano 2nd gen and Video 5.5th gen are not supported) |
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| 22:14:24 | cowonx5_iriverh3 | so yeah, I guess it's yet to be developed on or is an impossible target to develop on |
| 22:14:33 | ircleuser | is it cuz of the nano, or rockbox not updated? |
| 22:14:41 | ircleuser | ah ic |
| 22:14:43 | Vulcan | ugh |
| 22:14:54 | * | Vulcan finally got a patch to sort of apply |
| 22:14:56 | Vulcan | sort of |
| 22:16:22 | linuxstb | cowonx5_iriverh3: Nano 2nd gen - very hard port. The new 5gs - relatively straightforward. |
| 22:16:42 | Vulcan | are the new nanos really that different hardware wise? |
| 22:16:50 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 22:16:54 | ircleuser | dont think so |
| 22:16:59 | ircleuser | oh |
| 22:17:10 | linuxstb | About as similar to the old Nanos as the Zunes will be. |
| 22:17:18 | Vulcan | interesting |
| 22:17:27 | ircleuser | MFTS sucks |
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| 22:19:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | For most purposes, the new Nano is an entirely new player |
| 22:20:23 | Vulcan | I wish someone would come out with a compareable to the nano |
| 22:20:38 | Vulcan | I think that its just about perfect as far as form factor goes |
| 22:22:03 | * | Paul_the_Nerd points to the Sansa e200 series |
| 22:22:20 | Vulcan | its alittle on the thick side imo |
| 22:22:33 | * | Paul_the_Nerd shrugs |
| 22:22:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think the Nano's too thin, personally |
| 22:22:44 | Vulcan | my usage is probably different than most |
| 22:22:55 | Soap | do you wear it in your shoe, Vulcan? ;) |
| 22:23:05 | Vulcan | I need somethign I can cary in a jeans pocket easily when itsn ot in use |
| 22:23:28 | PaulJam | Bagder: litle question concerning your change to english.lang: why haven't you done this change to the other entrys that have a target specific string like for example LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_EXIT ? |
| 22:23:51 | Bagder | because I only did some quick searches and only found those that I changed |
| 22:24:06 | Bagder | my main point was the added docs on the top |
| 22:24:06 | * | petur finds some users are picky -> have an h340 |
| 22:24:14 | blue_lizard | Vulcan: i would not carry anything precious in may jeans pocket |
| 22:24:24 | blue_lizard | but maybe my ass is to big |
| 22:24:25 | PaulJam | ok |
| 22:24:45 | Vulcan | blue_lizard, nanos can take alot of abuse |
| 22:24:55 | Bagder | PaulJam: but yes, the others should be changed as well as the <source> tag is what make translators notice these |
| 22:24:59 | blue_lizard | yes alot but a jeans pocket? |
| 22:25:25 | blue_lizard | i have read the test with the nano on the net |
| 22:25:32 | Vulcan | mine will be a year old in a month or two and I use it almost daily |
| 22:25:34 | blue_lizard | and i beleave the guy |
| 22:28:26 | Vulcan | okay... |
| 22:28:38 | Vulcan | so this patch I tried to apply did not work with the latest CVS |
| 22:28:54 | Vulcan | so I should try to go to a version prior to the patches release I guess |
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| 22:36:59 | lostlogic | preglow: thanks −− do I seem to add too many instructions to the sleep() and block() calls? they shouldn't be terribly performance sensitive, since the thread calling them is obviously done with something, right? |
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| 22:41:13 | preglow | lostlogic: nah, i don't think so |
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| 22:44:04 | amiconn | lostlogic: I think it's a rather bad idea. If the scheduler gets that much control over boosting, it could happen that the cpu is boosted/unboosted very frequently - a situation that should be avoided at all costs |
| 22:44:59 | preglow | amiconn: if i'm not mistaken, a thread still has to ask the scheduler to boost it |
| 22:45:30 | amiconn | Each cpu boost state change comes at a price - during the switch, which can take up to 10 milliseconds on coldfire, the cpu runs at 11MHz |
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| 22:46:11 | amiconn | Furthermore it reduces timer precision - the prescaler adjustment can't be instantaneous |
| 22:46:12 | preglow | noes! come back, freqmod! |
| 22:46:35 | preglow | amiconn: yes, yes, we know too much boosting isn't good, but it a thread needs to ask to be boosted, there should be no problem |
| 22:46:41 | preglow | it/if |
| 22:46:47 | hcs | speaking of scheduling, a while back a change was made that prevented playback from skipping when scrolling heavily in the file browser, but it seems like it has been changed back... what's the story there? |
| 22:46:48 | amiconn | preglow: If I read the patch correctly, a thread can maintain boost state while it sleeps. |
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| 22:47:05 | amiconn | That is, the scheduler would unboost while it sleeps, and boost again on wakeup |
| 22:47:24 | amiconn | ...and that's a very bad idea |
| 22:47:27 | preglow | that it is |
| 22:47:36 | preglow | but i think the concept will work fine if done properly |
| 22:47:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | hcs: I think that was actually just a side-effect of the scheduler. The problem itself wasn't fixed, and with a few other changes it resurface. |
| 22:47:44 | preglow | if something sleeps, then it shouldn't be boosted anymore, imho |
| 22:47:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | hcs: The "not-skipping" being the side-effect |
| 22:47:56 | hcs | Paul_the_Nerd: ah, ok |
| 22:48:11 | Vulcan | is there a way to make a script what will automate downloading the latest source to a degree? |
| 22:48:13 | hcs | Paul_the_Nerd: but it is still recognized as a problem? |
| 22:48:23 | linuxstb | Vulcan: Use CVS. |
| 22:48:28 | Vulcan | I know I've used aliases before but I don't recall how to make them |
| 22:48:30 | Vulcan | hmm? |
| 22:48:53 | amiconn | preglow: Only if it sleeps for a longer time, and then the thread should trigger the unboosting, not the scheduler |
| 22:48:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | hcs: Definitely. Ideally the coprocessor support will resolve it all though, in theory |
| 22:49:21 | amiconn | If we have more than one boost or unboost even per second, something is clearly wrong |
| 22:49:31 | preglow | yes, deeed |
| 22:49:36 | preglow | and if the patch results in that, it's broken |
| 22:49:47 | amiconn | ...and with that patch it can happen very easily |
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| 22:50:14 | linuxstb | Paul_the_Nerd: But probably with the side-effect of reducing runtime even more... So I'm very wary of using the COP for normal Rockbox stuff. |
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| 22:50:33 | Vulcan | linuxstb, what do you mean by use CVS? |
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| 22:51:09 | linuxstb | Vulcan: Download the source using cvs, and then you update it by just typing "cvs update". That downloads the changes that have been made since you last updated. |
| 22:51:14 | preglow | linuxstb: if done correctly, i think using the cop would just minimise latency while keeping the runtime somewhat equal |
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| 22:51:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: I don't think the processor is going to turn out to be the significant power drain. For example, I only gained half an hour of runtime when we first enabled CPU boosting on the Nano. |
| 22:51:39 | linuxstb | What latency do you mean? |
| 22:52:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | I imagine once we figure out what's eating so much power, the COP will turn out to be affordable for what it offers. |
| 22:52:23 | Soap | If I cracked open my ipod, and used a thermometer on the various chips during rockbox playback and appleFW playback, would that be of any use? |
| 22:53:07 | linuxstb | Isn't that how the H300 problem was isolated? |
| 22:53:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: It'll be the PortalPlayer, it's just, that's not *just* two ARM7 processors, it's other things as well. |
| 22:53:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Isn't it also the USB controller? |
| 22:53:38 | preglow | linuxstb: ui latency |
| 22:53:43 | Soap | ahh, so we aren't looking for problems with an offboard chip doing the power drain? |
| 22:53:43 | linuxstb | Yes, the USB hardware is in the PP. |
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| 22:53:57 | yipe | man rockbox is awesome |
| 22:54:05 | preglow | linuxstb: one of the primary problems, imho. using lots of cpu isn't bad in itself, but it makes the ui laggy |
| 22:54:16 | preglow | and that's the only problem i see with it, apart from sucking battery, of course |
| 22:54:30 | yipe | I messed up my install and had to use itunes' restore to fix it, which resulted in me using the original firware for a few days |
| 22:54:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: It could be an offboard chip, but it could very easily be the lack of knowledge about all the extra doodads in the PortalPlayer lump |
| 22:55:02 | yipe | it was horrible, after having rockbox going back sucks |
| 22:55:14 | linuxstb | The PP product briefs talk about the ability to power-down individual modules within the chip to save power, and that's something Rockbox isn't doing. |
| 22:55:22 | Kitt0s | i think rockbox should be able to shot powerpoint slides :] |
| 22:55:25 | preglow | Soap: comparing the temperature of the various chips when in use with retailos vs rockbox would probably be interesting, thnough |
| 22:55:31 | yipe | thank you rockboxers, you've made an awesome thing |
| 22:55:38 | markun | Kitt0s: ok |
| 22:55:41 | preglow | yipe: and we know it! |
| 22:55:47 | yipe | ت |
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| 22:55:54 | preglow | ! |
| 22:55:56 | * | linuxstb gives rockbox a pat on the back. |
| 22:55:59 | preglow | freqmod: oink! |
| 22:56:03 | preglow | yipe: how... |
| 22:56:04 | Kitt0s | markun, i think you should be the one who makes the revulution and makes the right code for it :D |
| 22:56:24 | Soap | so, assume I get one of those tools to crack it open. Does it use adhesive to stay shut, or will it just snap back together? |
| 22:56:29 | yipe | how what? |
| 22:56:33 | preglow | Soap: should snap back together |
| 22:56:36 | preglow | yipe: that smileu |
| 22:56:40 | preglow | smiley... |
| 22:56:45 | Soap | hmm |
| 22:56:56 | yipe | oh, it's arabic |
| 22:57:02 | freqmod | oink? |
| 22:57:10 | preglow | freqmod: got your attention |
| 22:57:19 | Soap | hardware similar enough across (pre Nano the second) generations that it doesn't matter which one I do it on? |
| 22:57:19 | preglow | freqmod: about the speex patch, what's up with the special cases for the sim? |
| 22:57:45 | freqmod | i'll look, it is probably debug or assembly code |
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| 22:57:53 | linuxstb | Soap: What choices do you have? |
| 22:57:54 | preglow | it doesn't compile for sim here at all |
| 22:58:06 | Soap | linuxstb - 4th, 5th, nano the first. |
| 22:58:15 | preglow | freqmod: it's the makefile stuff i'm talking about, btw |
| 22:58:36 | Soap | Only the 5th currently has rockbox, but I'd be more willing to risk the 4th. |
| 22:58:37 | preglow | i guess fifth would be the better choice |
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| 22:58:51 | preglow | but 4th suffers badly too |
| 22:58:56 | freqmod | ahh, it was just a way to make it work. I told you that was an ugly hack that should be fixed by someone that knows how the makefiles are written |
| 22:58:56 | linuxstb | Soap: Well, they are slightly different - the Nano and 5th have the PP5021, the 5th also has the Broadcom chip, and the 4th has a PP5020. |
| 22:59:01 | ]RowaN[ | is it possible to delete a song when using rockbox (ipod nano) in tagcache view? |
| 22:59:07 | preglow | freqmod: right, right |
| 22:59:10 | preglow | freqmod: well, it doesn't work here |
| 22:59:22 | preglow | freqmod: what was the problem anyway? |
| 22:59:35 | Soap | linuxstb - right. Is something in the PP suspected because the problem goes across generations? |
| 22:59:53 | freqmod | well, speex should be compiled in the same way as i.e. tremor (which i copied the make stanzas from) |
| 22:59:58 | Soap | for rockbox ignores the broadcom and assumes it is off, correct? |
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| 23:00:28 | linuxstb | From what the IPL people have told me, the LCD is connected via the Broadcom chip, so it's being used for that. |
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| 23:01:31 | freqmod | the corect way to do the makefile will be to copy all things mentioning vorbis/tremor and replacing it with speex |
| 23:01:50 | linuxstb | But I would expect your findings to be more or less the same on all ipods. The code that runs on them is virtually identical. |
| 23:02:40 | Soap | Is there somewhere I could read on methodology for this test? Do I do it at ambient? In a cold room? do I insulate the cooler chips in an attempt to detect minute heat generation? |
| 23:02:50 | * | Vulcan suspects he is not goign to have any success with getting a custom build with the patches he wants today |
| 23:02:59 | Soap | Contact thermometer? IR sensor? |
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| 23:03:49 | linuxstb | Soap: I've got a feeling someone did that for the H300, but I'm not sure who. Maybe amiconn. |
| 23:03:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: I believe an IR sensor was used, and the heat difference was significant on the affected chip. |
| 23:04:14 | * | Paul_the_Nerd isn't wholly sure |
| 23:04:17 | * | freqmod is trying to compile speex in sim without hacks in the makefile |
| 23:05:03 | Soap | yea, I guess with a battery life difference of 50% the goal isn't to detect minute drains. |
| 23:05:42 | petur | linuxstb: yes, amiconn measured temps |
| 23:05:50 | hcs | is it the same story with all pp devices? |
| 23:05:54 | preglow | freqmod: lemme know when you've got it going, and i'll give it a shot too |
| 23:07:03 | Bagder | hcs: we only have PP-ports for ipods and h10 going well, and yes they seem to share the same problems |
| 23:07:49 | hcs | Bagder: ok, I knew about the h10, but wasn't sure if there were others. I guess the best hope is in the h10's simpler firmware... |
| 23:09:13 | Soap | hmm, I wonder if regional delta T will be measurable on the one chip. |
| 23:09:38 | hcs | through the package? |
| 23:09:45 | Soap | unfortunately |
| 23:09:46 | markun | Soap: amiconn took heat mesurements for the iriver H300 |
| 23:10:20 | markun | petur: ah, sorry for repeating what you just said.. |
| 23:10:28 | Soap | yea markun I just PM'd him, hope to get some details from him, and I'll snag an IR thermometer when I get back in town. |
| 23:10:36 | markun | Soap: maybe you can find something in the rockbox irc logs |
| 23:10:39 | Soap | drink a couple of shots, get my courage up, and crack the case. |
| 23:10:46 | Soap | good tip |
| 23:10:57 | freqmod | preglow: Try to replace the make file in apps/codecs with this http://pastebin.ca/226812 (downloaded just now from cvs and edited) |
| 23:11:09 | amiconn | Yes. I wanted to know which chip drew power apart from the CPU. |
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| 23:12:08 | amiconn | I opened up my H340 and let it run for several minutes in rockbox. Then I measured chip temperatures and board temperature with an infrared thermometer |
| 23:12:29 | amiconn | I repeated the same procedure while running the iriver firmware |
| 23:13:05 | Soap | nothing fancy then, eh? |
| 23:13:35 | amiconn | Then it became clear that the usbotg chip was the problem. It was ~7 °C above abient temperature in rockbox, but no measurable difference in of |
| 23:14:10 | amiconn | When I switched the of to usbotg browser operation, the chip became as warm as in rockbox |
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| 23:14:28 | TerrorByte | No updates today? |
| 23:14:50 | preglow | freqmod: same old |
| 23:14:50 | preglow | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lspeex |
| 23:14:54 | amiconn | So it was clear that we need to shutdown the usbotg chip, as it obviously is in operational state after reset |
| 23:14:59 | freqmod | hmm |
| 23:15:04 | TerrorByte | No updates... :( |
| 23:15:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: Is there something that prevents you from reading the front page? |
| 23:15:22 | TerrorByte | I'm just making sure Paul, maybe you guys forgot or something... |
| 23:15:28 | preglow | it's automatic |
| 23:15:29 | freqmod | hmm |
| 23:15:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's automated... |
| 23:15:41 | amiconn | The rest was digging around (figuring out the /CS3, and understanding how the usb hc state machine in the isp1362 works) |
| 23:15:47 | TerrorByte | Well the website was down you know....... |
| 23:15:51 | TerrorByte | So maybe.................... Whatever. |
| 23:16:16 | preglow | freqmod: and this is in vorbis linking, as a matter of fact |
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| 23:16:32 | TerrorByte | No point in arguing with you and your scornful comments. :P |
| 23:16:33 | bluebrother | markun, did you notice FS #6203? We talked about that some time ago. |
| 23:16:42 | freqmod | hmm |
| 23:17:01 | Vulcan | Wouldn't it be nice if on the ipod play/pause jumped from whatever settings menu you are in to the wps now playing? |
| 23:17:26 | Bagder | TerrorByte: asking about info that is clearly visible just adds to the noise here |
| 23:17:26 | freqmod | try to change @echo "AR $@" in apps/codecs/libspeex/Makefile to http://pastebin.ca/226812 |
| 23:17:28 | freqmod | ehh |
| 23:17:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: Things are set up in a way where you don't need to ask "Any updates" which is what I've tried to tell you by suggesting you just read the front page on prior occasions. |
| 23:17:36 | freqmod | @echo "AR+RANLIB $(notdir $@)" |
| 23:17:36 | amiconn | Bagder: For those button fixes in .lang, filtering for features would be useful... (keypad in this case) |
| 23:17:45 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:17:46 | TerrorByte | I don't find that to be such an inconvenience Vulcan.... |
| 23:17:51 | TerrorByte | Assuming it's the same for other players. |
| 23:17:58 | Vulcan | I'm not sure |
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| 23:18:10 | Vulcan | I'm just thinkign it would be nice since that button isn't used in the settings menu afaik |
| 23:18:17 | markun | bluebrother: no, didn't see it. |
| 23:18:20 | Bagder | amiconn: did you see my patch for adding such a feature? |
| 23:18:20 | TerrorByte | ... |
| 23:18:20 | Vulcan | rather than hitting menu two or three times |
| 23:18:59 | | Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:19:20 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, no |
| 23:19:27 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/lang-features.patch |
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| 23:19:53 | amiconn | bluebrother: You could remove the 160x128x1 and 138x110x1 bitmaps for jewels. There are no such targets |
| 23:20:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
| 23:20:12 | TerrorByte | Isn't it called Bejeweled? |
| 23:20:19 | Bagder | nooooo |
| 23:20:20 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:20:24 | TerrorByte | It's not? |
| 23:20:25 | bluebrother | TerrorByte, it got renamed some time ago |
| 23:20:31 | markun | bluebrother: I have been working on codepage conversion for m3u files btw |
| 23:20:33 | Bagder | the original game is called that |
| 23:20:33 | bluebrother | due to legal reasons |
| 23:20:36 | TerrorByte | Renamed by who? |
| 23:20:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: What does the H100 use now? |
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| 23:20:40 | bluebrother | markun, nice. |
| 23:20:41 | TerrorByte | Oh. |
| 23:20:44 | TerrorByte | LOL, on my H10. |
| 23:20:51 | TerrorByte | I renamed it back to Bejeweled. |
| 23:21:00 | Bagder | TerrorByte: our game is Jewels, it is not Bejeweled |
| 23:21:01 | bluebrother | TerrorByte, by the rockbox devs? |
| 23:21:04 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: Bluebrother committed greyscale bitmaps for h1x0 and ipod mini |
| 23:21:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: Ah, nice. |
| 23:21:25 | TerrorByte | Ah I see. |
| 23:21:29 | amiconn | bluebrother: Btw, the 160x128x2 bitmaps are also used by the ipod 3g and 4g greyscale |
| 23:21:35 | TerrorByte | LOL, I should rename it to Jewels then. |
| 23:21:36 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 23:22:05 | Bagder | you can name it whatever you want, we'll send the lawyers your way :-) |
| 23:22:10 | bluebrother | amiconn, I noticed that after the commit. |
| 23:22:11 | TerrorByte | What's required in adding Rockboy to other players? |
| 23:22:22 | TerrorByte | :P |
| 23:22:42 | bluebrother | TerrorByte, you could just install a recent Rockbox build and remove your bejeweled |
| 23:22:56 | Vulcan | is there a way to modify what is displayed in the browser while using tagcache? |
| 23:22:57 | | Quit TerrorByte (Client Quit) |
| 23:22:57 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, what is the purpose of putting multiple shell commands in parentheses? |
| 23:23:00 | Bagder | TerrorByte: fixing the code to work with the LCD resolution (scaling) |
| 23:23:05 | Vulcan | as in, remove some of the searches that are displayed etc |
| 23:23:08 | preglow | freqmod: you might want to highlight me the next time so i see what you write, heh |
| 23:23:27 | Bagder | amiconn: they run in a single shell, as a kind of shell script |
| 23:23:33 | * | bluebrother goes removing the unneeded jewels bitmaps |
| 23:23:46 | freqmod | preglow: sorry, forgot it |
| 23:24:10 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, but the 'make' manual shows examples with multiple commands without surrounding parentheses? |
| 23:24:33 | amiconn | I mean as a single command line with ; \ at the end of each |
| 23:24:47 | Bagder | yeah, I bet it can be made without them somehow |
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| 23:25:05 | preglow | freqmod: libspeex isn't compiled at all |
| 23:25:14 | freqmod | ok |
| 23:25:21 | * | petur gets himself a Leffe blond from the fridge |
| 23:25:27 | freqmod | i'll try again |
| 23:25:44 | Bagder | amiconn: well, for example we then need to do $(SILENT) on all lines instead |
| 23:25:46 | * | preglow stabs petur |
| 23:26:05 | amiconn | Bagder: Definitely not when using ;\ |
| 23:26:08 | amiconn | I tried that |
| 23:26:14 | * | petur considers posting a pic :p |
| 23:26:16 | Bagder | aha |
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| 23:26:39 | Bagder | well, what does it matter if there's a parenthesis level or not? |
| 23:27:25 | amiconn | I am trying to understand that stuff better and was wondering what parentheses are doing in the shell |
| 23:27:39 | amiconn | I haven't seen such use before |
| 23:27:58 | Bagder | for this particular patch, I actually started out without the parentheses but it didn't do what I wanted, so I added them and got it to work |
| 23:28:53 | Bagder | but really, it should probably work the same with just ; \ without them |
| 23:29:26 | amiconn | That's what I thought. |
| 23:30:16 | Bagder | I guess the extra parens are just something of a habit of mine that aren't really needed |
| 23:31:14 | amiconn | What is this for: echo "" >/dev/null |
| 23:31:23 | amiconn | Looks rather odd to me... |
| 23:31:53 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:32:05 | Bagder | yeah, otherwise the return code of grep will be the result of that action |
| 23:32:38 | amiconn | Does grep return strange values? |
| 23:32:41 | Bagder | and it returns non-zero in my case |
| 23:32:48 | Bagder | which make treats as error |
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| 23:34:53 | freqmod | try to add "codecs/libspeex/*" to apps/FILES |
| 23:35:17 | freqmod | preglow: |
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| 23:37:18 | knewt | anyone about who knows the ipod port? i just got an error message... "Undefined instruction at 00007CF4" |
| 23:37:58 | * | freqmod wonders if such instructions are present in .map files |
| 23:38:06 | preglow | freqmod: should FILES matter? isn't that just for what is put in the zips? |
| 23:38:21 | amiconn | FILES is just for the source packager |
| 23:38:34 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/lang-features-2.patch |
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| 23:38:40 | Bagder | updated to apply cleanly |
| 23:38:51 | freqmod | preglow: ok, i don't know i just tried to scan the directory and duplicate the work for tremor as i don't know the make system |
| 23:38:52 | Bagder | features.txt can look like |
| 23:38:58 | Bagder | #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING |
| 23:38:58 | Bagder | recording |
| 23:38:58 | Bagder | #endif |
| 23:38:58 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bagder |
| 23:38:58 | Bagder | #ifdef HAVE_USB_POWER |
| 23:38:58 | Bagder | usbpower |
| 23:38:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:38:59 | Bagder | #endif |
| 23:39:26 | preglow | freqmod: i've gotta go for 30 mins or something |
| 23:39:26 | preglow | brb |
| 23:39:30 | freqmod | ok |
| 23:39:45 | Kitt0s | does the framerate matter if i put a video on my x5? |
| 23:39:57 | freqmod | i'll probably be asleep |
| 23:41:17 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:41:17 | * | Bagder activates low power mode |
| 23:42:08 | * | amiconn is playing around with 'make' again |
| 23:42:34 | amiconn | Hmm, I'd need make 3.80 for testing... |
| 23:43:17 | * | petur wonders what following warning means: static declaration of my_function_name' follows non-static declaration |
| 23:43:30 | amiconn | It means what it says... |
| 23:43:51 | * | petur slaps forehead |
| 23:44:20 | amiconn | Multiple declaraion, first without 'static', later with 'static' |
| 23:44:39 | petur | sloppy philips programmers |
| 23:45:06 | Bagder | Invadrox looks nice! |
| 23:45:28 | Bagder | (#6243) |
| 23:45:32 | * | Bagder runs to bed |
| 23:49:00 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
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| 23:50:43 | yipe | is that like a const in C++? |
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| 23:51:01 | knewt | oh well. second time it's happened, both times shortly after starting a re-initialization of the tagcache. managed a re-init without it happening though. a subsequent update seems enough though |
| 23:51:38 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: If you want it to play in realtime, then yes. I'm not sure what the framerate on the X5 is, but it's probably around 15-20fps. You can easily test it though. |
| 23:52:53 | Kitt0s | err :\ |
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| 23:54:58 | * | petur tries to guess what player the next user has... |
| 23:55:39 | iriverh340 | hey guess what??? |
| 23:55:52 | petur | ipod? :p |
| 23:56:13 | Kitt0s | linuxstb_, and AVI is not supported? |
| 23:56:14 | iriverh340 | the x5 drive is compatible with the h340! |
| 23:56:25 | iriverh340 | so really I will have an h360! |
| 23:56:32 | Genre9mp3 | iriverh340: you are cowonX5 eh? |
| 23:56:46 | iriverh340 | genre9mp3, that was the past :p |
| 23:56:51 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 23:58:16 | Kitt0s | hey, how come when i select only to show supported files, it doesn't show hidden files, but when i select ALL, it does show hidden files |
| 23:58:27 | * | petur still wants an h380 |
| 23:58:51 | linuxstb_ | Kitt0s: AVI files can contain anything and everything.... At the moment Rockbox just supports MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 raw video streams. |
| 23:58:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | It assumes if you've marked something hidden, you did so for a reason. Why should it show hidden files under "supported"? |
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