| 00:00:00 | iriverh340 | petur, have the 80gig toshiba's come out yet, I only see a zif 80gigger on ewiz: http://www.ewiz.com/query.php?categry=59&brand=Toshiba&dp=1&dt=&categry=59&brand=Toshiba&pa0=&pa1=&pa2=&pa3=&pa4=&pa5=&searchStr=Search+from+current+results&myanchor=%23displaytop&categry=59&brand=Toshiba&pa0=&pa1=&pa2=&pa3=&pa4=1.8+inch&pa5=&nl=10&searchStr=Search+from+current+results&ob=&myanchor=%23displaytop |
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| 00:01:13 | Genre9mp3 | iriverh340: They are out, but cost a fortune |
| 00:01:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kitt0s: If you want it, feel free to implement it. |
| 00:01:42 | petur | nobody has 'm in stock so they aren't really out |
| 00:01:55 | Kitt0s | Paul_the_Nerd, so its not an option yet i see.. |
| 00:02:01 | Kitt0s | i might just try :] |
| 00:02:10 | iriverh340 | yeah I'm just glad the x5's 60gig drive is a direct-drop-in for the h340 |
| 00:02:46 | iriverh340 | so it'll just be like always...the h340 with 60 gigs + rockbox = what I'm used to...I'd just have to learn the buttons & what-not |
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| 00:06:54 | Kitt0s | Paul_the_Nerd, where can i find the source for the viewers? |
| 00:08:22 | markun | Kitt0s: apps/plugins |
| 00:08:32 | Kitt0s | thanks |
| 00:10:18 | markun | There is so little info on the 1.8" Seagate drives |
| 00:10:43 | markun | I would like to know if they have the same size as the toshiba drives |
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| 00:15:36 | RogerBacon | markun : dont ask any question here, you will never get a response .. |
| 00:15:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes, around again. |
| 00:20:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: A few hours ago you said you would clean up the button read activation/deactivation. I just want to know whether I'll see a commit soon, so I can adjust my H300 patch |
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| 00:21:12 | amiconn | Anyone around with gnu make 3.80 or earlier? |
| 00:21:54 | hcs | amiconn: I have 3.80 on this machine |
| 00:22:13 | jhMikeS | I was gonna clean it for x5. I don't think it will affect anything for H300. |
| 00:22:23 | amiconn | hcs: So you're observing the silent builds with latest cvs. Would you like to test a patch for me? |
| 00:22:38 | hcs | amiconn: sure |
| 00:23:40 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/jpeg.c?rev=1.62&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 00:23:44 | Kitt0s | how come it doesnt show all |
| 00:23:44 | Kitt0s | ?:D |
| 00:24:54 | amiconn | hcs: amiconn.dyndns.org/makeinfo.patch">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/makeinfo.patch |
| 00:25:05 | amiconn | You need to reconfigure after applying the patch |
| 00:25:16 | andrewmel | If I am wanting to pass two short data types to a procedure, is this the procedure header code? |
| 00:25:17 | andrewmel | void prepare_sound(short sound, buffer) |
| 00:28:58 | hcs | amiconn: ok, now running make, seeing all the build stuff listed, was that the point? |
| 00:28:59 | linuxstb_ | I think it needs to be (short sound, short buffer). |
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| 00:29:23 | andrewmel | thanks linuxstb |
| 00:30:10 | Kitt0s | HOLY SHITTTTTTTTT |
| 00:30:10 | Kitt0s | HOLY SHITTTTTTTTT |
| 00:30:10 | amiconn | hcs: Yes. It should look almost exactly like before my commit yesterday |
| 00:30:25 | Kitt0s | i just installed the new cvs on my x5l |
| 00:30:26 | amiconn | (with a warning at the very top that you should consider upgrading make) |
| 00:30:29 | Kitt0s | with the new boost |
| 00:30:32 | Kitt0s | works like a charm!! |
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| 00:31:11 | hcs | amiconn: yep, complete w/ warning |
| 00:31:16 | ]RowaN[ | anyone know if its currently possible to delete a song when using rockbox (ipod nano) in tagcache view? |
| 00:31:32 | hcs | what kind of performance increase should I expect if I upgrade? |
| 00:31:48 | markun | hcs: do you have a X5? |
| 00:32:07 | hcs | markun: no, iPod 4g color |
| 00:32:17 | amiconn | The build will be a bit faster because 'make' doesn't need to spawn an echo command for every message, but can use an internal function instead |
| 00:32:25 | Kitt0s | its the browsing for me.. i click to get to a root folder, then boom its there.. and there used to be a delay.. |
| 00:32:40 | markun | hcs: then I don't think you should expect any improvement |
| 00:33:03 | amiconn | The speedup depends on your build platfrom. ~20% on cygwin, a few percent on linux |
| 00:33:33 | hcs | markun: I didn't mean rockbox speedup, just the build time |
| 00:33:42 | markun | ah, sorry |
| 00:33:50 | * | jhMikeS is gonna work on getting right of the adc tick task as well |
| 00:33:58 | jhMikeS | rid even |
| 00:34:03 | Kitt0s | u know something wired |
| 00:34:13 | Kitt0s | i plug my x5 to the power cable |
| 00:34:18 | Kitt0s | then it says complete |
| 00:34:23 | Kitt0s | but when i turn rockbox on |
| 00:34:31 | Kitt0s | i have like less then half battery |
| 00:34:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: For archos it has to stay, and makes sense, but for all others it should go imho |
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| 00:36:34 | markun | Kitt0s: yes, that's weird |
| 00:37:38 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
| 00:37:40 | Kitt0s | report? :\ |
| 00:39:57 | markun | Kitt0s: what? |
| 00:40:04 | Kitt0s | report the bug ?:D |
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| 00:43:25 | freqmod | Hello does anybody know the makefilesystem for codecs? |
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| 00:44:37 | freqmod | how do i make the makefile do a new target (e.g. libspeex:), as e.g. "libmad:" |
| 00:45:08 | hcs | freqmod: my technique for figuring that out was searching for libmad throughout the sources |
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| 00:45:32 | hcs | you specifically have to add stuff to tools/configure |
| 00:45:41 | freqmod | ok |
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| 00:51:48 | amiconn | Hrrrmmm! |
| 00:52:20 | amiconn | The build colouring script counts the 'make' version warning as an error |
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| 00:52:30 | hcs | amiconn: heh |
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| 00:53:16 | hcs | the "Header parsed" lines are on stderr for some reason |
| 00:56:10 | andrewmel | Hmmm, I just had that "header parsed" for the first time this morning |
| 00:56:46 | hcs | yeah, I hadn't noticed it before, either |
| 00:57:41 | preglow | coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffe |
| 00:57:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'll do the cleanup first though then commence to that |
| 00:58:40 | * | amiconn is undecided how to proceed. |
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| 00:59:50 | esy | hey eveyrone I wanted to see if there was any luck on the 5.5g ipod problem |
| 00:59:57 | amiconn | Removing the warning message would remove the error colouring, but then the user wouldn't know that upgrading make would be useful |
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| 01:00:14 | hcs | put it on stdout instead? |
| 01:00:23 | amiconn | How? |
| 01:00:27 | hcs | I don't know |
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| 01:00:47 | amiconn | At the point of this check no shell commands are run. |
| 01:01:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: you misread the patch |
| 01:01:29 | amiconn | It just uses another built-in function, $(warning), which is available since several 'make' versions ago |
| 01:01:30 | lostlogic | amiconn: when a thread sleeps while boosted, the CPU stays boosted |
| 01:02:20 | lostlogic | amiconn: the only time the cpu changes boost states is when 1) the cpu is not boosted and a thread requests boost or 2) _all_ threads have slept (without requesting a boosted sleep) since their last boost request |
| 01:02:51 | andrewmel | esy, if you go to the rockbox forum, and look in the New ports sub-forum you will find a thread there. Those working on it seem to post there often |
| 01:03:35 | amiconn | Sounds rather complicated. |
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| 01:04:33 | amiconn | I would expect the boost count to run out of sync with what a thread expects it to be |
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| 01:05:02 | lostlogic | amiconn: the scheduler is one cpu_boost client it only ever boosts once no matter how many times how many threads call trigger_cpu_boost |
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| 01:05:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: note: this is a reimpl of what slasheri already committed, because his impl made me uncomfortable ;) |
| 01:05:39 | amiconn | It doesn't apply to manual boosts? |
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| 01:05:56 | lostlogic | amiconn: right, manual boost is still totally separate |
| 01:06:18 | amiconn | Hmm, then I wonder something different: |
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| 01:06:55 | amiconn | What would cause a thread which uses trigger_cpu_boost to need to sleep with the cpu boosted? |
| 01:07:47 | amiconn | Hmm, the only reason I could imagine would be a very short sleep |
| 01:07:53 | lostlogic | amiconn: well the way I have it figured: when the filebuffer is filling, and the pcmbuffer runs low, that trade-off of cpu cycles wants to keep the CPU boosted |
| 01:08:33 | lostlogic | the other situation which I've coded it to keep the CPU boosted during a sleep is when it goes to indefinite block waiting for another thread to do something; timed blocks unboost. |
| 01:08:35 | blue_lizard | rockboxui is really great |
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| 01:09:07 | TerrorByte | Lol, I fell asleep listening to music.. |
| 01:09:13 | lostlogic | amiconn: but actually, now that I think of it, I might be able to just double check and/or adjust the audio_yield_codecs method so there is no need for the sleep_w_boost function. |
| 01:09:17 | TerrorByte | And at 3AM, the battery on my H10 nearly died. |
| 01:09:28 | TerrorByte | And you all know what happens when it's low on battery. |
| 01:09:29 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
| 01:09:33 | TerrorByte | Rude awakening. |
| 01:09:58 | amiconn | lostlogic: Does the scheduler keep track of which threads used trigger_cpu_boost? |
| 01:10:07 | blue_lizard | if one of the devs of rockboxui is here |
| 01:10:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, I made it part of the state |
| 01:10:19 | blue_lizard | Kudos to you! |
| 01:10:33 | lostlogic | might tweak it so that it doesn't use up an extra bit if this is to get committed |
| 01:12:16 | _jhMikeS_ | The build table is spotting ;P |
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| 01:12:50 | amiconn | Btw, one thing I found that at least on some targets, using bitfields for booleans is more efficient that using bitmasks. |
| 01:13:04 | amiconn | Note - that is true for booleans _only_ |
| 01:13:22 | lostlogic | forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by a bitfield? |
| 01:13:26 | jhMikeS | weird |
| 01:13:36 | amiconn | struct mystatus { |
| 01:13:43 | amiconn | int somevalue; |
| 01:13:50 | amiconn | bool state1:1; |
| 01:13:55 | amiconn | bool state2:1; |
| 01:13:57 | amiconn | } |
| 01:14:23 | jhMikeS | which targets? |
| 01:14:29 | amiconn | This way, each bool takes one bit. Of course they need to be grouped together |
| 01:14:41 | amiconn | SH and coldfire iirc |
| 01:14:49 | jhMikeS | is bool technically signed or unsigned? |
| 01:14:58 | lostlogic | hmph, neat |
| 01:14:59 | amiconn | neither |
| 01:15:35 | jhMikeS | well if you look at a one bit bool I've seen them interpreted as -1 on ms compilers |
| 01:15:43 | amiconn | bool should never be treated as being equivalent to one of the integer types |
| 01:16:02 | amiconn | The implementation is compiler and platform dependent |
| 01:16:20 | amiconn | On some platforms, bool is a byte, on others it is an int |
| 01:16:26 | jhMikeS | that was only if the sign bit was set otherwise 0 or 1 |
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| 01:16:55 | amiconn | False is usually zero, True can be either 1 or all bits set |
| 01:17:12 | voyage34 | hi all |
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| 01:17:36 | hcs | ...and on some compilers it doesn't exist at all... |
| 01:17:37 | jhMikeS | I usually treat true as !false :P |
| 01:18:02 | jhMikeS | iiow: if x != false not if x == true |
| 01:19:10 | voyage34 | quick question... I have rockbox loaded and am loving it.. thing is My battery is completely drained and Im unable to get it to boot into either apple fw or RB.... |
| 01:19:40 | voyage34 | how can I get it to go directly into a charge from a discharged state like this? |
| 01:19:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I did commit that if it makes any diff since it's all x5 code |
| 01:20:39 | jhMikeS | I think a few server need the new make... |
| 01:23:02 | voyage34 | any of you have a suggestion? |
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| 01:23:16 | jhMikeS | wish I could help but I don't have an iPod |
| 01:23:37 | voyage34 | i understand. thanks |
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| 01:23:46 | obo | plug it in for 20-30 minutes, flick hold on and off, then hit menu+select to reboot... |
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| 01:23:51 | amiconn | voyage34: Just connect it to usb or the charger and it should charge |
| 01:23:57 | obo | should then boot and you can continue to charge |
| 01:24:02 | linuxstb_ | voyage34: Just plug the charger in and wait. You may need to reset it (hold MENU+SELECT), and sometimes forcing it into disk mode (holding SELECT+PLAY immediately after resetting) helps. |
| 01:24:06 | amiconn | ...even if it doesn't display that it charges |
| 01:25:11 | voyage34 | k. will try again.. I plugged it in usb and and it just show the battery like it's charging but it doesnt move and it didnt seem to charge... |
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| 01:25:35 | voyage34 | pluggin it in to an AC adapter it just reboots |
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| 01:27:41 | preglow | amiconn: would you like to clean up the codec makefiles now that you're at it? :> |
| 01:28:01 | voyage34 | thanks for the ideas all .. I will try them out and let you know how it goes.. preesh |
| 01:28:28 | preglow | currently, all codecs are linked with all codec libraries at the same time, and we get conflicts when linking speex since speex and tremor have colliding symbols |
| 01:28:38 | andrewmel | In pascal if I pass a variable to a procedure, I need to put (var size : int) (or something like that) for the procedure to be able to change the value of that variable, if you leave the var out it cannont change the value. Is there a similar thing in C? |
| 01:29:04 | preglow | andrewmel: no, only pointers |
| 01:29:12 | preglow | andrewmel: in c++ you have something that works much like it called references |
| 01:29:33 | linuxstb_ | You need to pass a pointer to the variable - i.e. "void myfunc(int* x) { ... }" and you call it by myfunc(&var); |
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| 01:29:54 | linuxstb_ | You then need to do *x to dereference the pointer within myfunc. |
| 01:30:40 | andrewmel | hmmm, I am have a procedure in an #ifdef. It uses two shorts that are declared within the #ifdef and I want to pass them to the procedure from outside the #ifdef, that should work, shouldnt it? |
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| 01:31:52 | andrewmel | so that would look like this |
| 01:32:01 | andrewmel | void prepare_sound(short* sound, short* buffer) |
| 01:32:25 | andrewmel | and |
| 01:32:45 | andrewmel | prepare_sound(&var tick_sound, &var tick_buff); |
| 01:32:46 | andrewmel | ? |
| 01:33:17 | petur | prepare_sound(&tick_sound, &tick_buff); |
| 01:33:36 | petur | (for calling it) |
| 01:33:38 | Nimdae | bleh, so now i have to upgrade make? -_- |
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| 01:34:12 | andrewmel | the declaration is correct? |
| 01:34:33 | petur | yes |
| 01:34:39 | andrewmel | thanks guys :) |
| 01:35:29 | * | Nimdae tries to figure out how to upgrade make on his server without breaking other stuff |
| 01:35:44 | linuxstb_ | What OS are you running? |
| 01:35:58 | Nimdae | rhel4 |
| 01:36:28 | andrewmel | linuxstb_: was that asked of me? |
| 01:36:39 | linuxstb_ | andrewmel: No, Nimdae |
| 01:37:14 | * | linuxstb_ can't help with redhat |
| 01:37:36 | Nimdae | think i'll make a secondary install in /usr/local/make and add it to the path for rbclient |
| 01:38:04 | linuxstb_ | Or just somewhere within ~rbclient |
| 01:38:31 | Nimdae | true, but i was gonna just keep it separate from those files |
| 01:38:58 | Nimdae | i normally make my local builds in ~/local, heh |
| 01:41:37 | lostlogic | hmm, what do you think about moving the codec yields out from the codecs themselves and into the playback.c code? Seems like every codec yields on about the same 'schedule' and once per buffer insert as a rule, so that yield could probably be moved into the callback and make just as much sense |
| 01:42:32 | linuxstb_ | Some codecs yield more often. I remember adding yields inside the ALAC decoder when I first ported it - I'm assuming they are still there. |
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| 01:43:30 | jhMikeS | uhmmm....I think codecs should be able to optimize their yielding if needed even if it's similar atm for each |
| 01:43:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: the codec handles large frames and thereby wouldn't be yielding often enough? |
| 01:44:00 | linuxstb_ | I assume so - I can't remember the reason any more... |
| 01:44:10 | lostlogic | hah, ok, so much for that idea ;) |
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| 01:44:14 | Nimdae | there, now to wait for a commit to make sure that worked |
| 01:44:19 | jhMikeS | let's get bugs out of playback.c first. how about making it stable when codecs fail? |
| 01:44:29 | Nimdae | or is there a way for me to just test it? |
| 01:44:36 | linuxstb_ | From the cvs log: "Add yield() calls inside the monolithic ALAC decode_frame() function - improves responsiveness of UI during ALAC decoding" |
| 01:45:01 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: what badness happens when codecs fail? |
| 01:45:06 | jhMikeS | Did the same stuff for wavpack_enc. It yield four times per chunk |
| 01:45:45 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: Playback will bust and no longer work reliably after the first failure. Usually after playing a lot of short files or fast skipping. |
| 01:46:48 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: so the problem isn't with a codec failing, it's with playback not handling something else correctly and thereby causing corruption which causes codec failure and further badness |
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| 01:47:39 | * | preglow hands freqmod the "most broken patch ever" award |
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| 01:47:43 | jhMikeS | Why should the codec fail on a short file at all for instance and even if it does thing should be in a left normal state that shouldn't affect anything later negatively. |
| 01:48:22 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: right, but the problem is not with the handling of a codec failure (most likely) it's with what _caused_ the codec to fail. |
| 01:48:41 | lostlogic | and that _cause_ is most likely _also_ what causes playback to remain flakey after the codec fails |
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| 01:49:17 | AdamKili | does rockbox support videos? which codecs? |
| 01:49:29 | jhMikeS | either way it leaves a mess behind that only a reboot fixes |
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| 01:51:48 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: is there a flyspray for this situation, with a logf? |
| 01:51:54 | lostlogic | if so, link me, if not, post one. |
| 01:52:37 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: I haven't put one up myself. |
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| 01:53:07 | andrewmel | AdamKili, go to the rockbox.org, click on the wiki link on the left, then click on plugin index, then find pluginmpegplayer and click on that, you will find all you need |
| 01:53:53 | jhMikeS | I noticed it because of all the short files made during recording work. Some stuff may be more complex than short file alone and I'll try to see how to break it consistently. |
| 01:55:22 | jhMikeS | Could also get some stuff happening where the wrong metadata is shown. |
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| 02:04:50 | jhMikeS | powermgmt.c is a wreck |
| 02:10:18 | amiconn | preglow: Those colliding symbols will need to be resolved I'm afraid |
| 02:10:52 | amiconn | I don't know how we should handle it otherwise, as there is no 1:1 relation between codec and codec library |
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| 02:11:37 | amiconn | Some codecs need no library at all, and sometimes a library is used for more than one codec |
| 02:11:43 | amiconn | (e.g. flac and shorten) |
| 02:12:11 | preglow | they are already resolved, but it's gonna bite us again |
| 02:12:14 | amiconn | Oh, and iiuc some codecs use more than one library (libm4a + some other) |
| 02:12:19 | linuxstb | And AAC/ALAC need two libraries (libm4a plus the decoder) |
| 02:12:20 | preglow | linking against all codec libs for all codecs is pretty nasty, if you ask me |
| 02:12:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: :) |
| 02:12:39 | * | linuxstb is too slow again... |
| 02:12:58 | preglow | we'd pretty much need to hard code rules for this, sure |
| 02:13:04 | preglow | but it's better than what we currently do |
| 02:13:45 | linuxstb | It only seems to be the sim builds that link using $(CODECLIBS) - the target builds just use $(BUILDDIR)/libXXX.a |
| 02:14:11 | linuxstb | Is it about time we declared the X11 and win32 sims dead? |
| 02:15:03 | preglow | they are |
| 02:15:04 | linuxstb | Also, the normal plugins link against the codec libs... |
| 02:16:12 | preglow | how nice! |
| 02:16:39 | linuxstb | I guess it's left from the test plugins, and is still used by the wavpack encoder plugin. |
| 02:16:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think that's something we want. E.g. mpegplayer will probably need libmad... |
| 02:16:57 | * | linuxstb was about to say that as well... |
| 02:17:27 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should remove the $(warning) for now... |
| 02:18:47 | jhMikeS | can't promise some thing with the charging/battery readon won't have some side effect :P |
| 02:19:43 | linuxstb | I got libmad working with mpegplayer, but am getting a strange freeze when playing mp3 files. mp2 files seem fine. I went back and ressurrected the old mpa2wav plugin, and that is giving the same behaviour... |
| 02:21:26 | jhMikeS | ow my foot hurts! :( |
| 02:22:35 | * | petur has the isp1362 philips demo code rockbox compatible (compiled and linked) - starting integration :) |
| 02:22:51 | linuxstb | All 42 mallocs dealt with? |
| 02:23:00 | petur | almost |
| 02:23:18 | petur | some were for some build-in shell app, I removed that completely |
| 02:23:25 | linuxstb | Are you compiling it as a plugin? |
| 02:23:35 | petur | no |
| 02:23:50 | petur | will be h3x0 only anyway |
| 02:24:27 | jhMikeS | petur: is that usbotg? |
| 02:24:33 | petur | :D |
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| 02:25:06 | jhMikeS | petur: heh...that ALi chip will have its pants pulled down before long I'm sure |
| 02:25:37 | petur | I'm affraid my work will be totally uncompatible with x5 |
| 02:26:15 | jhMikeS | why? At least setup a basic integration into rb that can have targeted portions. 0:) |
| 02:26:16 | petur | only the class drivers may be reused I think |
| 02:26:24 | petur | yes |
| 02:28:38 | jhMikeS | the isp1362 code won't share but the basic manner of ui and such should be and a basic usbotg abstract interface. |
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| 02:30:26 | petur | yes... the class drivers may (hopefully) be re-used, all lower code is isp1362 specific. But I'll have to go through the class drivers as they may contain some hardware specific stuff - must check that later |
| 02:31:19 | preglow | demo code? |
| 02:31:30 | preglow | also, what chip is this again? |
| 02:31:37 | petur | isp1362 |
| 02:31:57 | petur | it's free demo code that comes with a demo board |
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| 02:35:47 | jhMikeS | It is going to be modal (enter through a menu item) or is a camera or whatever device going to show up as just another "disk"? |
| 02:36:18 | petur | would be nice if it came available as another volume |
| 02:36:29 | preglow | what is the function of that chip? |
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| 02:36:39 | petur | usbotg |
| 02:36:49 | preglow | ooooh |
| 02:36:49 | amiconn | I think ums devices could be integrated into the browser with multivolume support |
| 02:36:51 | preglow | target? |
| 02:36:56 | amiconn | H300 |
| 02:36:57 | petur | h3x0 |
| 02:36:59 | preglow | :D |
| 02:37:46 | preglow | this will rockb pretty heavily |
| 02:38:04 | preglow | let's celebrate that with another coffee |
| 02:38:04 | amiconn | petur: Iirc the isp1362 can detect plug-in while sleeping? |
| 02:38:19 | * | jhMikeS is out of espresso :( |
| 02:38:21 | petur | no idea |
| 02:38:32 | petur | it should |
| 02:38:35 | preglow | just got an extra free hour here |
| 02:38:52 | * | petur already reset his watch :) |
| 02:38:59 | * | amiconn remembers having read something about a 'lazy clock' for plug-in detection in the isp datasheet |
| 02:39:07 | petur | yes |
| 02:39:53 | petur | I think I saw something in the code about that feature *checks* |
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| 02:42:23 | petur | NOLAZY |
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| 02:42:46 | amiconn | If we can use that detection so the chip doesn't suck power as long as nothing is plugged and it powers up when needed this would really rock |
| 02:43:04 | amiconn | Just plug in an ums device, and it will appear in the browser... |
| 02:43:20 | amiconn | ...pull it again, and the chip will go to sleep... |
| 02:43:46 | petur | a debugger would be nice too.... |
| 02:45:45 | petur | it's not clear to me if you must set or clear that NOLAZY flag for this feature... the demo code sets it but there's no comment :( |
| 02:47:50 | _jhMikeS_ | debug menu does its own home-brew battery scaling too...:-\ |
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| 02:48:24 | andrewmel | wondering if somebody can have a look at this error |
| 02:48:26 | andrewmel | http://pastebin.ca/227074 |
| 02:49:28 | petur | tickbuffer is already an address because it's an array |
| 02:49:44 | petur | so pass &tickbuffer[0] or just tickbufer |
| 02:49:51 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you think any target other than archos can dispense with adc_read and the tick task? |
| 02:51:10 | andrewmel | thanks petur |
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| 02:51:47 | andrewmel | I still need the (short* soundbuffer) in the procedure header? |
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| 02:52:29 | andrewmel | that is if I am passing &tickbuffer[0] |
| 02:52:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just wanna be sure that's what you meant |
| 02:53:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:53:08 | petur | I'd treat the short* as a pointer, not array (in the function) |
| 02:53:26 | amiconn | I'm not sure, but maybe we should unify function names afterwards |
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| 02:54:12 | amiconn | I mean, adc_read() for archos does pretty much what adc_scan() does for the others, apart from a 10ms delay |
| 02:54:32 | amiconn | (maximum of 10ms delay that is) |
| 02:55:18 | amiconn | Gah, button.c is a mess with all thios non-target-tree stuff still in |
| 02:55:25 | jhMikeS | There seems to be value in the caching for various screens though where they don't need info on the uS level. |
| 02:55:27 | petur | andrewmel: you're copying tick_sound into soundbuffer - why not just memcpy? |
| 02:55:35 | * | amiconn will probably need to port iriver buttons to target tree |
| 02:56:07 | jhMikeS | Suppose I should make it work more like the RTC readin where it limits the frequency of updates but has no tick task associated. |
| 02:57:50 | amiconn | Which screens (except debug) read the adc more than once per second? |
| 02:57:53 | jhMikeS | There needs to be a big exodus to the target tree for many things. |
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| 02:58:09 | amiconn | I guess none, and in fact I think they shouldn't |
| 02:58:23 | andrewmel | it is making two copies of each bit, side by side, to make it stereo, I think. This code was in the original, but I need two sounds to I am making it a generic procedure and passing both sounds to it |
| 02:58:52 | jhMikeS | I'm looking but I'm thinking in terms of the RTC function where is just returns the same value if it's been < 1 sec. |
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| 02:59:35 | jhMikeS | Would at least get rid of the tick task which accomplished little more |
| 02:59:52 | andrewmel | at present I have it implemented on two procedures that are identical but for the variables they use |
| 02:00:03 | amiconn | Again: which screens do read the adc directly and read it that often? |
| 02:00:19 | amiconn | Imho no screen should directly read adc |
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| 02:00:58 | petur | andrewmel: http://pastebin.ca/227088 |
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| 02:02:22 | amiconn | The button and remote button channel (and remote type detection in case of the h1x0/h300) are read by the button driver |
| 02:02:35 | amiconn | The battery channel should only be read by the power thread |
| 02:02:37 | jhMikeS | debug screen and the charging info in screens.c |
| 02:02:50 | jhMikeS | or is that limited there? |
| 02:02:53 | amiconn | debug screen doesn't count (and doesn't read too often either) |
| 02:03:07 | amiconn | and the charging info display needs fixing |
| 02:03:14 | amiconn | We talked about that earlier |
| 02:03:22 | amiconn | It should use battery_voltage() |
| 02:04:01 | andrewmel | petur: thanks, will do it like that :) |
| 02:05:07 | jhMikeS | I know. I changed it but haven't tested...it's my first real look at all this. I'll absorb it and have clearer ideas. |
| 02:07:50 | amiconn | Iirc you can't test that... the charging screen is only used on targets where rockbox can run from flash |
| 02:08:41 | amiconn | (and have charging) |
| 02:09:26 | jhMikeS | this is the condition: #if defined(CONFIG_CHARGING) && !defined(HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING) |
| 02:09:55 | jhMikeS | can comment out that part and have a look anyway |
| 02:09:56 | petur | do we have text vertical scrolling code in rockbox? like console output? |
| 02:11:32 | petur | doesn't the browser do some shift trick? |
| 02:11:36 | jhMikeS | Doesn't logf on the remote do that? |
| 02:11:39 | amiconn | nope |
| 02:11:54 | amiconn | No vertical scrolling in the core |
| 02:12:04 | petur | ah well... |
| 02:12:05 | jhMikeS | petur: how would backdrops work with that? |
| 02:12:25 | petur | render text is separate buffer |
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| 02:19:12 | amiconn | Ahahaha |
| 02:19:57 | amiconn | ConTEXT is able to detect changes done by other programs in files opened for editing |
| 02:20:11 | amiconn | Due to the dst change, it now thinks all files have changed... |
| 02:20:24 | petur | rotfl |
| 02:20:45 | petur | ms devstudio did no such thing here |
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| 02:26:39 | amiconn | Notepad++ has the same bug... |
| 02:27:11 | preglow | /join #gtk+ |
| 02:27:14 | preglow | arghle |
| 02:27:36 | scorche | hmph...europe is looking better and better |
| 02:27:47 | amiconn | Is that the opposite of argbe ? ;) |
| 02:28:41 | preglow | it might |
| 02:29:28 | scorche | (not as any offense to europians...the US is just getting worse) =) |
| 02:29:55 | preglow | how could you mean offense to europeans by saying europe looks better and better? |
| 02:30:18 | scorche | by people inferring that it was worse before |
| 02:31:02 | scorche | and for some odd reason, i forgot about the word "europeans" =( |
| 02:31:28 | scorche | bush signed an enabling act and i am not in a good mood |
| 02:32:37 | pagefault | I like europe |
| 02:32:40 | pagefault | it was always good |
| 02:32:47 | pagefault | good infrastructure everywhere |
| 02:33:53 | pagefault | for example you can go nearly anywhere in most of europe without a car |
| 02:34:26 | preglow | well, it's theoretically possible, but not always practical... |
| 02:34:43 | pagefault | it's certainly 10x better than what north america has |
| 02:34:50 | preglow | as long as you stay close to cities you should be fine anyway |
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| 02:35:45 | * | lostlogic is a car free American and happy :-P |
| 02:36:13 | * | hcs is as well, yay public transit |
| 02:36:20 | lostlogic | bicycle! |
| 02:36:20 | pagefault | what was he referring to getting better and better |
| 02:36:22 | preglow | lostlogic: we mean motor free!! |
| 02:36:28 | Soap | north america has what, 1/50th the population density of europe. |
| 02:36:40 | lostlogic | preglow: lol the motorcycle is just a toy, the bicycle is my primary transportation! |
| 02:36:45 | scorche | it is quite easy in places like NY...but harder most other places.. |
| 02:37:06 | preglow | bicycles are nice |
| 02:37:28 | pagefault | at least in canada even in some small 1 horse town you can usually get broadband |
| 02:37:36 | pagefault | but getting to it is another story |
| 02:37:37 | lostlogic | scorche: yeah, the problem is that peopel in the US have this strange compulsion to want to live in wide open spaces instead of living in _convenient_ _practical_ places. |
| 02:38:01 | Soap | lordy blanket statement. |
| 02:38:15 | scorche | haha...indeed |
| 02:38:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: Or sometimes living further from where you work can make up for the time and gas costs in significantly reduced rent, depending on where you live. |
| 02:38:47 | * | jhMikeS doesn't like cities |
| 02:38:55 | preglow | me neither |
| 02:38:58 | preglow | luckily i live in one |
| 02:39:16 | lostlogic | Paul_the_Nerd: ah, but getting rid of the car entirely would probably make up for the cost of living closer :-D |
| 02:39:16 | jhMikeS | having my neighbor be able to see me is bad enough |
| 02:39:23 | pagefault | my freind lives in the middle of no where, away from the city and has 10mbit internet |
| 02:39:28 | pagefault | and is happy |
| 02:39:32 | Soap | lostlogic - rarely. |
| 02:39:43 | lostlogic | I lov emy city life −− had the pleasure of watching a fight at a bus stop from my bedroom window just now :-P |
| 02:39:51 | preglow | haha |
| 02:39:58 | preglow | i love in a quiet part of oslo, though |
| 02:39:59 | Soap | lostlogic - not to get into this conversation, but to deny the economic benifit to many people the automobile provides is to wear blinders. |
| 02:40:04 | preglow | suits me nicely, i used to live right next to a tram stop |
| 02:40:06 | pagefault | you just gotta drive 20 minutes to get anything |
| 02:40:26 | * | Paul_the_Nerd lives in Texas where an hour drive is still "right next door" |
| 02:40:31 | jhMikeS | many major cities in the US don't allow gun ownership :-( |
| 02:40:31 | preglow | pagefault: hey, that is how i used to live before moving away to stufy :> |
| 02:40:32 | lostlogic | Soap: really? $300/mo car payment? that's a big change in living... add gas and insurance and you're moving quite a good distance toward where work is |
| 02:40:34 | preglow | study |
| 02:40:36 | Soap | there are many reasons to shun the automobile culture. |
| 02:40:48 | Soap | but economics is not one. |
| 02:40:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Fortunately Austin has a semblance of public transportation, and is very bicycle friendly. |
| 02:40:59 | lostlogic | Soap: I got no problems with cars _per se_ I have a problem with building towns where a car is a _necessity_ for living there. |
| 02:41:30 | Soap | I can agree with that - zoning rules are a problem, but the fact is many people save significant amounts of money by commuting. |
| 02:41:43 | pagefault | right now I live in the suburbs |
| 02:41:43 | Soap | even with the oppritunity cost of time wasted factored in. |
| 02:41:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: Have you heard of this: http://www.austinyellowbike.org/ ? |
| 02:41:51 | pagefault | but it's slowly being swallowed up by the ciyt |
| 02:41:53 | pagefault | city |
| 02:42:03 | lostlogic | Soap: I ahven't done the research, so I'll believe you on that, even though my gut disagrees. |
| 02:42:21 | Soap | the economic decisions of tens of millions disagree. |
| 02:42:24 | pagefault | I live driving distance from 4 home depots and 3 costcos |
| 02:42:30 | pagefault | all 5 minutes away |
| 02:42:35 | pagefault | so it's getting creepy |
| 02:42:47 | Soap | you are too willing to blame that on an "american compulsion to live in wide open spaces" |
| 02:42:58 | Soap | when many are making sound economic judgements. |
| 02:43:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: Millions think that "No money down" is a good economic decision. |
| 02:43:12 | lostlogic | Soap: that's what it seems like when I ask people who I work with why they live 30 miles instead of 4 miles from the city |
| 02:43:18 | lostlogic | Paul_the_Nerd: laugh! |
| 02:43:20 | Soap | Paul_the_Nerd - and when chosen well it is. |
| 02:43:25 | andrewmel | I am a cycle rider. I ride 12.5 km to work each day, and 12.5 km home. except for thursdays, when I drive as I have a clarinet lesson I cant change and cant get to in time |
| 02:43:35 | lostlogic | Paul_the_Nerd: I've not heard of that... I don't live in Austin :-P −− we have a program called "Working Bikes" here in Chicago that is similar |
| 02:43:46 | pagefault | my work is 2.5 km from me |
| 02:43:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: I just heard about it about a week ago. |
| 02:43:49 | pagefault | so I just walk there |
| 02:43:52 | pagefault | but thats a rare case |
| 02:44:06 | * | scorche looks back on the horror of the tangent that he facilitated |
| 02:44:09 | * | Paul_the_Nerd would love to work somewhere within walking distance. |
| 02:44:12 | Soap | My house cost 250 in the middle of the city. In the suburbs this 1200 sq footer would cost 1/2 that at most. |
| 02:44:42 | pagefault | I just go home for lunch |
| 02:44:48 | pagefault | and walk back |
| 02:45:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah well, I was just gonna lurk. Some sort of animated Hellboy movie is on, and I desperately want it to not suck. |
| 02:45:00 | Soap | I could probably increase the footage 50% for 1/2 the cost outside the city. A mortgage pament difference of 800 dollars a month covers a lot of honda civic gas. |
| 02:45:04 | * | Paul_the_Nerd fades into the shadows. |
| 02:45:27 | preglow | what's the us gas price like these days? |
| 02:45:31 | lostlogic | Soap: I still say it's a problem of people here thinking they 'need' more space than they really do |
| 02:45:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: $2.08/gallon where I live |
| 02:45:44 | lostlogic | preglow: I paid 2.70/gal in Chicago today |
| 02:45:48 | lostlogic | Paul_the_Nerd: hate. |
| 02:45:51 | preglow | ahahahaha |
| 02:45:52 | pagefault | it's about 74 cents CAD here per liter |
| 02:45:53 | Soap | the only problem is people making such judgement for others. |
| 02:45:56 | preglow | how the bloody hell is that possible |
| 02:46:02 | Soap | I paid 2.70 today for diesel. |
| 02:46:08 | Soap | I have no idea what gasoline is. |
| 02:46:14 | pagefault | we use the metric system :> |
| 02:46:18 | lostlogic | haha |
| 02:46:38 | JdGordon | crap.. u guys have cheap petrol |
| 02:46:49 | preglow | it's over 1.5$ just for liter here |
| 02:46:51 | lostlogic | .74 (Canadian dollars per liter) = 2.49151003 U.S. dollars per US gallon |
| 02:46:54 | pagefault | half of the US's gas comes from us |
| 02:47:01 | JdGordon | or google calc fucked up... 2.70/3L is damn cheap |
| 02:47:09 | preglow | and we bloody pump the shit out of our ocean |
| 02:47:11 | pagefault | it should be dirt cheap for domestic people |
| 02:47:16 | Soap | half our oil might come from canada, but not half the gasoline. |
| 02:47:16 | pagefault | but it doesn't work that way |
| 02:47:21 | Soap | you all don't have sweet crude. |
| 02:47:29 | lostlogic | preglow: damn, $5/gallon! |
| 02:47:33 | preglow | i don't really think it should be dirt cheap |
| 02:47:37 | preglow | i think our price is pretty ok, really |
| 02:47:40 | preglow | considering what you get |
| 02:47:45 | pagefault | it's mostly all taxes |
| 02:47:53 | pagefault | not the oil itself |
| 02:47:56 | pagefault | 40% of it is tax |
| 02:48:00 | * | Paul_the_Nerd gets it dirt cheap, because he lives in OilLand. |
| 02:48:00 | preglow | by the liter, coke is tons more expensive than gas |
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| 02:48:14 | preglow | and gas is one of the nicest forms of energy there is |
| 02:48:19 | pagefault | but I have free health care and other nice things |
| 02:48:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Coke is 50cent/litre. |
| 02:48:20 | Soap | densest. |
| 02:48:25 | pagefault | so I can't really complain |
| 02:48:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually, $1 |
| 02:48:39 | Soap | a litre? |
| 02:48:50 | preglow | coke is sugary water |
| 02:48:50 | preglow | heh |
| 02:48:53 | JdGordon | depends.. when its on sale 2L coke is $2.. which is slightly cheaper than petrol |
| 02:48:56 | lostlogic | you often see 2 litre bottles for $1.50 or less |
| 02:49:05 | pagefault | 2L coke is like $1.30 on sale here |
| 02:49:17 | JdGordon | but 600ml coke can be up @ $3.. so painfully expensive : |
| 02:49:18 | Soap | I buy Kroger brand for 25-33 cents a litre. |
| 02:49:20 | JdGordon | .. but you cant drink petrol now can you?? |
| 02:49:26 | Soap | once |
| 02:49:27 | * | Paul_the_Nerd buys six-packs of 500mL Dr Pepper for $2.99 usually |
| 02:49:27 | preglow | i just don't buy it... |
| 02:49:29 | pagefault | since the USD depreciated so much |
| 02:49:33 | pagefault | things have gotten so cheap here |
| 02:49:35 | * | lostlogic 's job gives him all the free soda he can drink, so it's clearly cheaper than gasoline :-P |
| 02:49:37 | JdGordon | and i dont image coke would be very efficient in a car |
| 02:49:37 | * | Paul_the_Nerd is an addict. |
| 02:49:43 | preglow | only beverages i ever buy are milk, juice and beer |
| 02:49:43 | pagefault | while we still get paid the same salary |
| 02:49:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | Dr Pepper is like, the primary reason I would have difficulty living outside the US. |
| 02:49:59 | preglow | water > * |
| 02:50:06 | lostlogic | Paul_the_Nerd: wow. |
| 02:50:10 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: you can get dr. pepper here too |
| 02:50:12 | JdGordon | Dr Pepoper is absolutly horrible :D |
| 02:50:29 | pagefault | preglow, where are you at |
| 02:50:32 | preglow | norway |
| 02:50:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: I know that it's available elsewhere, I've lived overseas before, but I've found it widely less available (particularly in restaurants) |
| 02:50:41 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: widely less available, sure |
| 02:50:44 | pagefault | ah, I have many friends there |
| 02:50:47 | pagefault | I need to go someday |
| 02:51:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Of course, I was in Indonesia... we had one grocery store that would get a flat of it about once every two months. |
| 02:51:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | And there was one other expatriate family that drank it. |
| 02:51:43 | pagefault | I went to some indian grocery store |
| 02:51:47 | pagefault | the coke was from spain |
| 02:51:49 | pagefault | and in spanish |
| 02:51:54 | pagefault | I have no idea how that happened to be |
| 02:52:00 | pagefault | this was in canada |
| 02:52:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | You silly canadians. |
| 02:52:18 | pagefault | I think he tried to import some thinking it was cheaper |
| 02:52:42 | preglow | all this talk makes me wish i had beer |
| 02:53:13 | pagefault | I have some now |
| 02:53:18 | pagefault | but it's from belgium |
| 02:53:18 | * | Paul_the_Nerd has not yet found a beer he's liked. |
| 02:53:55 | * | scorche is a fan of hefeweizen |
| 02:54:02 | preglow | hefeweizen rocks |
| 02:54:06 | preglow | belgian beer rocks |
| 02:54:07 | pagefault | never heard of that one |
| 02:54:13 | lostlogic | it's a type |
| 02:54:15 | preglow | pagefault: it's a style, wheat beer |
| 02:54:17 | pagefault | ah |
| 02:54:20 | pagefault | like hoegarden |
| 02:54:22 | pagefault | or how it is |
| 02:54:25 | preglow | nope, that's wit |
| 02:54:28 | pagefault | oh |
| 02:54:29 | preglow | but it resembles |
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| 02:54:36 | scorche | i havent ever see it bottled before |
| 02:54:42 | scorche | not sure if that is a bad thing or not |
| 02:54:46 | preglow | hoegaarden is nice... |
| 02:54:57 | pagefault | hmm |
| 02:55:05 | pagefault | I have some blue chimay right now |
| 02:55:07 | pagefault | it's very good |
| 02:55:10 | preglow | blue chaimary rocks |
| 02:55:12 | preglow | ehh |
| 02:55:14 | preglow | chimay |
| 02:55:20 | preglow | god knows what happened to my fingers there |
| 02:55:25 | pagefault | it is very good |
| 02:55:30 | pagefault | the red comes in close second |
| 02:55:40 | preglow | i had the red one in england during the summer |
| 02:55:43 | * | petur returns *triggered* |
| 02:55:50 | preglow | it was very nice |
| 02:55:53 | preglow | can only get the blue and white one in norway |
| 02:55:56 | lostlogic | petur: by beer? |
| 02:56:03 | pagefault | I got a gift pack the other day that came with blue, red and white and a chimay glass |
| 02:56:11 | preglow | ooh, i want a chimay glass |
| 02:56:13 | preglow | they're nice |
| 02:56:35 | pagefault | it came with a booklet of how to pour it |
| 02:56:43 | pagefault | "it is a beer to not be drank but enjoyed" |
| 02:56:46 | pagefault | so it says |
| 02:56:52 | preglow | i tend to do both |
| 02:57:08 | pagefault | monks make the best booze |
| 02:57:25 | preglow | some of the best, even |
| 02:57:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: Is your scheduling patch in the tracker one that provides an immediate benefit, the description makes it sound like it's a feature more beneficial to programmers than the program, so I couldn't really tell.. |
| 02:57:36 | preglow | i'm big on hoppy beers anyway |
| 02:57:43 | preglow | can't get much better than india pale ale |
| 02:57:48 | pagefault | yeah that stuff is nice |
| 02:57:53 | pagefault | real IPA |
| 02:57:59 | preglow | us style india pale ales is very nice |
| 02:58:05 | lostlogic | Paul_the_Nerd: your interpretation is correct −− it should not make _any_ difference to users, only to those writing future, or working with current code that needs to boost the cpu |
| 02:58:15 | pagefault | the us style is more of a lager |
| 02:58:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, thanks. |
| 02:58:43 | preglow | i've never really tasted a real us one, but several said to be in the style, and they're anything but lagerish |
| 02:58:46 | pagefault | duvel is another good one |
| 02:58:47 | preglow | heh |
| 02:58:54 | * | myzar licks Paul_the_Nerd |
| 02:58:57 | preglow | we've got to stop this talk, mouth watering |
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| 02:59:07 | lostlogic | ugh, I'm approaching the "walk to the beer store" point |
| 02:59:15 | scorche | especially since i have no good beer in the house |
| 02:59:22 | preglow | i have no beer in the house |
| 02:59:27 | lostlogic | preglow: same. |
| 02:59:32 | pagefault | it's fall so all the belgian beer starts showing up in the liquor stores here |
| 02:59:35 | pagefault | so I start buying it |
| 02:59:38 | preglow | and getting a beer at this time in norway is impossible |
| 02:59:46 | petur | oh? |
| 02:59:48 | lostlogic | it's 3? 2? am there? |
| 02:59:51 | preglow | 3 |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:11 | pagefault | in ontario we have to buy from government stores |
| 03:00:13 | pagefault | it sucks |
| 03:00:23 | preglow | same here |
| 03:00:29 | preglow | that is, the stuff over 4.7% |
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| 03:00:39 | pagefault | for anything here |
| 03:00:40 | preglow | the stuff at and below that can be bought in ordinary stores |
| 03:00:41 | pagefault | but they always keep a very good selection |
| 03:00:41 | * | petur has 2 tripel karmeliet and 2 leffe around :) |
| 03:00:45 | pagefault | if they don't have it they can order it in for you |
| 03:00:50 | pagefault | oh leffe is good too |
| 03:00:55 | lostlogic | nooooooooooooooooooooooo the beer store just closed. |
| 03:00:55 | preglow | ooooh, never har karmeliet |
| 03:00:59 | pagefault | I like the blonde better |
| 03:01:01 | pagefault | than the brown |
| 03:01:07 | petur | you should |
| 03:01:08 | preglow | i think i prefer the brown |
| 03:01:15 | preglow | hard to choose |
| 03:01:20 | pagefault | it's a macrobrew |
| 03:01:24 | pagefault | but it's still good |
| 03:01:27 | petur | brown is sweeter most of the time |
| 03:01:31 | preglow | sure, but veryt tasty |
| 03:01:39 | pagefault | it's the in bottle fermentation that makes it good |
| 03:01:54 | petur | my wife likes brown kasteelbier (12) |
| 03:02:08 | preglow | god damn, this does it |
| 03:02:10 | petur | it tastes very sweet |
| 03:02:12 | preglow | tomorrow is beer day |
| 03:02:17 | petur | hahaha |
| 03:02:34 | pagefault | if I want blue chimary again |
| 03:02:38 | pagefault | I gotta buy the gift set again |
| 03:02:50 | pagefault | I can see I am going to end up with ton of glasses |
| 03:02:56 | pagefault | they only have the red one standalone in a 750ml bottle |
| 03:02:58 | petur | next devcon should be in Belgium :) |
| 03:03:01 | preglow | i think i'm gonna get me an orval |
| 03:03:04 | preglow | haven't had that for ages |
| 03:03:23 | preglow | petur: either that or we just do the devcon in that nice swedish pub i've seen pictures of... |
| 03:03:27 | pagefault | it was very reasonable too for 3 bottles of beer and a glass |
| 03:03:29 | pagefault | about $10 USD |
| 03:03:31 | pagefault | for imports |
| 03:03:35 | preglow | pagefault: blargh |
| 03:03:54 | preglow | pagefault: a single bottle costs around 40 nok here, let's say six bucks |
| 03:04:00 | pagefault | what size |
| 03:04:11 | preglow | 0.33 |
| 03:04:13 | pagefault | oh crap |
| 03:04:13 | preglow | for chimay, that is |
| 03:04:19 | pagefault | I get the huge bottle of red chimay for $6 CAD |
| 03:04:26 | preglow | but quality beer is so expensive it's not even half funny |
| 03:04:28 | petur | 0.75 |
| 03:04:33 | petur | is not huge |
| 03:04:40 | pagefault | well it's big for bottles of beer |
| 03:04:46 | pagefault | at least for here |
| 03:04:51 | petur | we have 1.5 and 3L bottles here too - but not all brands |
| 03:04:59 | pagefault | well we have those too |
| 03:05:06 | pagefault | but those are more malt liqour |
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| 03:05:23 | preglow | i haven't heard too many kind words about malt liquor |
| 03:05:32 | pagefault | you don't want to try it |
| 03:05:39 | pagefault | it's only good if you have no money and you want to get messed up |
| 03:05:44 | preglow | well, it happens... |
| 03:05:53 | preglow | heh |
| 03:05:53 | pagefault | I prefer to have money and enjoy the beer |
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| 03:06:44 | pagefault | absinthe is making a comeback again, we have like 5 brands now we can get |
| 03:06:55 | preglow | is it proper, though? |
| 03:07:06 | pagefault | from the liquor store that actually contain thujone |
| 03:07:06 | preglow | yeah, but not much, i'll wager |
| 03:07:07 | scorche | yeah, but none i have seen is proper |
| 03:07:19 | scorche | i would like to try the real kind sometime |
| 03:07:24 | pagefault | it's all from europe so it's probably the EU limit of thujone |
| 03:07:28 | scorche | what with the sugar cube and all |
| 03:07:29 | preglow | i don't care anyway, whisky's nicer than absinthe :> |
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| 03:07:48 | Soap | nicer? yes. more fun? no. |
| 03:07:55 | pagefault | I have the whole absinthe set |
| 03:08:09 | pagefault | when I went to england I bought back a few bottles of the real stuff |
| 03:08:13 | pagefault | it's pretty good |
| 03:08:18 | pagefault | doesn't make you hallucinate though |
| 03:08:27 | ebel | Hi I want to install rockbox on my ipod mini, but I don't know how to convert my ipod to FAT32. I'm using Linux. |
| 03:08:30 | scorche | there was some absinthe at last defcon, but it wasnt the real kind |
| 03:08:39 | Soap | Cat On A Hot Tin Roof = wiskey. Ubu Roi = absinthe. |
| 03:08:43 | pagefault | this was the realest you could get at current times |
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| 03:09:06 | pagefault | some scientist got an old bottle and tried to figure out what was in it |
| 03:09:08 | pagefault | and recreated it |
| 03:09:13 | scorche | well, one guy i guess is bringing back the real stuff fter experimenting and re-evaluating the old |
| 03:09:15 | scorche | damn you |
| 03:09:45 | pagefault | on the absinthe site where they rate all thats stuff it got a 9/1- |
| 03:09:46 | pagefault | 10 |
| 03:09:51 | * | scorche hopes it isnt going to be anotother slow night.. |
| 03:09:52 | pagefault | compared to the real vintage stuff |
| 03:10:32 | pagefault | it's more fun drinking it because of the history and crap behind it |
| 03:10:37 | pagefault | and just the entire presentation of doing it |
| 03:11:17 | pagefault | I really do prefer a good beer though |
| 03:11:22 | pagefault | a good beer over anything |
| 03:11:23 | Soap | and it's green. |
| 03:11:32 | scorche | good beer is hard to come by though |
| 03:11:35 | scorche | at least here |
| 03:11:38 | pagefault | it goes milky white when you add the water/sugar cube |
| 03:11:51 | preglow | not hard to come by here |
| 03:11:57 | scorche | hehe...im sure |
| 03:11:57 | petur | first usbotg test resulted in a crash :) |
| 03:11:58 | preglow | it's just so bloody expensive |
| 03:12:02 | preglow | and the selection is poor |
| 03:12:16 | pagefault | domestic is $1/bottle here |
| 03:12:19 | pagefault | and it's pretty ok stuff |
| 03:12:23 | * | petur heads off to bed |
| 03:12:26 | pagefault | mostly all lager though |
| 03:12:28 | scorche | i have never been a fan of domestic |
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| 03:12:32 | preglow | pagefault: same here |
| 03:12:47 | preglow | pagefault: domestic is probably around a bit lower than 2$ for 0.33 |
| 03:12:51 | pagefault | if I had money I would open a brewery and make it belgian style |
| 03:12:57 | preglow | pagefault: and it's almost exclusively bland pilsner like lager |
| 03:13:14 | pagefault | yeah |
| 03:13:15 | pagefault | pretty much |
| 03:13:17 | pagefault | swill |
| 03:13:28 | preglow | people will buy whatever's cheap |
| 03:13:31 | pagefault | swill |
| 03:13:35 | pagefault | it's the proper term I call it |
| 03:13:36 | preglow | people love binge drinking over here |
| 03:13:46 | pagefault | my friend loves it |
| 03:13:49 | pagefault | I give him chimay |
| 03:13:56 | pagefault | "it's to fucking bitter and tastes awful" |
| 03:13:58 | pagefault | I want to slap him |
| 03:13:59 | preglow | nationaheh |
| 03:14:04 | preglow | heh <- |
| 03:14:14 | myzar | yes, yes |
| 03:14:18 | preglow | i've pretty much managed to infect all my friends with beer enthusiasm |
| 03:14:22 | preglow | so it's not much of a problem |
| 03:14:29 | pagefault | i'm trying to do that to people |
| 03:14:32 | myzar | i say we all go and read up on ATA changes in the new 5.5g iPods! |
| 03:14:38 | pagefault | you wouldn't eat a grade B steak |
| 03:14:38 | * | myzar hi5s scorche |
| 03:14:42 | preglow | anywho, there's popped up a couple of very decent micros here now |
| 03:14:43 | pagefault | why would you drink a grade B beer |
| 03:14:46 | preglow | so things are stoarting to look better |
| 03:15:03 | * | scorche glances quizzically at myzar |
| 03:15:10 | myzar | because grade b beer is cheap |
| 03:15:15 | myzar | grade b steak is sold for the same price |
| 03:15:17 | myzar | :\ |
| 03:15:29 | pagefault | well here the difference isn't that much |
| 03:15:35 | pagefault | if it means I pay 50 cents more for a way better beer |
| 03:15:38 | pagefault | then I will pay for it |
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| 03:16:03 | myzar | but it adds up the more you drink |
| 03:16:12 | pagefault | yeah but it's enjoyment |
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| 03:16:38 | pagefault | i'd never take the good stuff to a party |
| 03:16:43 | pagefault | thats for my personal stash |
| 03:16:46 | preglow | hella yes |
| 03:16:54 | preglow | but anywho |
| 03:17:02 | preglow | i need to try sleep before i cough myself to death |
| 03:17:04 | preglow | later, all |
| 03:17:08 | pagefault | night |
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| 03:23:41 | CH_ | hello |
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| 03:51:55 | andrewmel | I have had a go at getting a patch using the instructions here using the diff command in vmware. I guess I should be doing it differently as I am just getting a file called patch with no extension, and it just contains the old file and new file pasted together. |
| 03:52:38 | JdGordon | are u using cvs diff -u > outfile.patch? |
| 03:52:40 | scorche | you mean creating a patch? |
| 03:52:47 | andrewmel | I am using the command upe. |
| 03:53:03 | scorche | use what JdGordon said |
| 03:53:11 | andrewmel | I was using diff -u oldfile newfile > patch |
| 03:54:52 | andrewmel | I get the following |
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| 03:55:18 | andrewmel | cvs diff: I know nothing about metronome.patch. |
| 03:56:02 | andrewmel | right, have seen my problem, no pipe |
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| 03:58:34 | TerrorByte | Aw... No updates today. |
| 03:58:42 | TerrorByte | So, anything new? |
| 03:58:59 | TerrorByte | Do you guys still need battery_bench data for H10s? |
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| 04:00:16 | myzar | no, but |
| 04:00:29 | myzar | i want YOU to investigate ATA differences between the 30 and 80 gig iPod 5.5gs |
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| 04:02:14 | TerrorByte | Huh? |
| 04:02:14 | TerrorByte | o_O |
| 04:03:24 | TerrorByte | Wow, 80 GB. |
| 04:03:28 | TerrorByte | That's monstrously huge. |
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| 04:04:09 | TerrorByte | Got disconnected. |
| 04:04:12 | TerrorByte | Anyways... |
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| 04:04:13 | TerrorByte | 80 GB. |
| 04:04:16 | TerrorByte | That's huge.... |
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| 04:09:51 | CH_ | Hello people, sorry to interrupt |
| 04:10:07 | andrewmel | thanks guys, working now, and patch added :) my first |
| 04:11:42 | TerrorByte | Patch for what? |
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| 04:12:53 | andrewmel | Hi CH_: |
| 04:12:54 | TerrorByte | So. |
| 04:12:56 | TerrorByte | What's the patch for? |
| 04:13:21 | andrewmel | TB go to the patches page, and sort it by date, it is the most recent one. |
| 04:13:25 | scorche | nothing you have been bugging us about.. |
| 04:13:28 | CH_ | Hi. I have this problem with rockbox on my ipod color. |
| 04:13:41 | TerrorByte | Thanks for that scorche. |
| 04:13:52 | TerrorByte | BTW, add Rockboy for the H10 to the lists of things I bug you guys about. |
| 04:13:53 | scorche | you're welcome! =) |
| 04:13:54 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 04:13:59 | TerrorByte | Lol. |
| 04:13:59 | scorche | ugh |
| 04:14:23 | TerrorByte | Rockboy Advance would be even better. |
| 04:14:31 | scorche | that is impossible |
| 04:14:49 | TerrorByte | Why? |
| 04:15:04 | TerrorByte | Also, how do I apply a .patch? |
| 04:15:07 | TerrorByte | I can't figure it out. |
| 04:15:09 | scorche | well, for one, it has a faster processor than most of our devices |
| 04:15:17 | TerrorByte | What has a faster processor? |
| 04:15:19 | TerrorByte | The GBA? |
| 04:15:21 | scorche | go to the SimpleGuideToCompiling page |
| 04:15:24 | andrewmel | scorche, can you think of any plugins or patches that get a sound file (like an mp3 or ogg file) and play it back with the plugin? |
| 04:15:24 | scorche | yes |
| 04:15:25 | Soap | there is a simple guide to compiling in the wiki, and a whole forum dedicated to it. |
| 04:15:34 | andrewmel | I am wanting to write an ABX plugin |
| 04:15:46 | Soap | TerrorByte - you need ~ 10x the processing power to emmulate. |
| 04:16:17 | scorche | not even mentiuoning all the hardware acceleration that the GBA has that ipods dont |
| 04:16:17 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 04:16:28 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 04:16:31 | TerrorByte | Alright. |
| 04:16:32 | Soap | andrewmel - an ABX pluggin should be decoding both the files to .wav (or such) anyways first and normalizing the files so volume doesn't play a role. |
| 04:16:52 | * | scorche is having a slow day again.. |
| 04:17:12 | TerrorByte | Well I'm off. |
| 04:17:16 | andrewmel | Soap, I understand why the volume should be the same, but why convert to .wav |
| 04:17:19 | TerrorByte | Sleepy getting, I am. |
| 04:17:24 | * | scorche gets out the fireworks |
| 04:17:35 | TerrorByte | Wait, I'm not leaving. |
| 04:17:44 | TerrorByte | And it's just cause of that ^^ |
| 04:17:48 | * | scorche puts them away again and frowns |
| 04:17:58 | TerrorByte | LOL. |
| 04:18:02 | * | andrewmel roflmao |
| 04:18:11 | andrewmel | *hao |
| 04:18:17 | Soap | andrewmel - to remove all sources of possible interferance. You want the files to playback in as identical a way as possible, why wav I actually can't say when challeneged, every ABX program I've used does it. |
| 04:18:33 | TerrorByte | Yeah I think I will leave. |
| 04:18:41 | TerrorByte | I haven't bothered you guys nearly enough today.. |
| 04:18:44 | TerrorByte | There's always tomorrow though. |
| 04:18:46 | andrewmel | hmmm, I didnt know that. So foobar encodes as .wav? |
| 04:18:53 | * | TerrorByte bids adieu |
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| 04:19:03 | myzar | scorche |
| 04:19:09 | scorche | myzar |
| 04:19:18 | myzar | get out your top secret 5.5g WIP code instead |
| 04:19:20 | myzar | that'll scare em off |
| 04:19:24 | myzar | better yet, upload it |
| 04:19:26 | myzar | that'll show em |
| 04:19:39 | Soap | andrewmel - foobar decodes both the files first. |
| 04:19:53 | andrewmel | that would take some time on a dap wouldnt it? |
| 04:20:06 | andrewmel | It might be best if that is predone on a pc first |
| 04:20:25 | Soap | why would it take longer than playing? |
| 04:20:38 | Soap | it would take less than playing if you think about it. |
| 04:21:13 | andrewmel | Still that would be 4 minutes (or so) to do two versions of a 3 minute song.... |
| 04:22:53 | Soap | true |
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| 04:23:10 | Soap | I'm going to try and figure out why foobar decodes the files first. |
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| 04:44:55 | Evaso2 | What about open a boinc clustering project for attack ipod 2g firmware encryption? |
| 04:45:37 | JdGordon | what about it? |
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| 04:55:02 | Evaso2 | JdGordon: a sort of distribute cluster elaboration (like a supercomputer composed by idle time of pc) |
| 04:55:28 | JdGordon | yeah, i know what boinc is... what about it? |
| 04:55:33 | JdGordon | whats the point? |
| 04:55:51 | JdGordon | oh ipod 2g.. not ipod nano 2g |
| 04:56:14 | Evaso2 | ipod nano 2nd generation |
| 04:57:17 | JdGordon | well then like i was abot to say... there is more to the port than figuring out the encyrption |
| 04:57:36 | Soap | I don't believe anyone is at the point where brute forcing the key is what is needed. |
| 04:58:13 | Evaso2 | JdGordon yes but crack the encryption could let disassemble the firmware |
| 04:58:33 | JdGordon | which is not needed unitll we know what hardware is used.. and other stuff |
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| 04:59:32 | Evaso2 | well so decrypting is not a priority now.. good to know :) |
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| 05:25:25 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I just got back from doing some tests. |
| 05:26:05 | Davide-NYC | Optical input :: 16bit :: Stereo :: Verious Samplerates 36kHz and up/ |
| 05:26:32 | Davide-NYC | everything seems to work, but I think we need some error handling. |
| 05:29:02 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: If everything works then how did you come accross the need to handle errors? |
| 05:30:08 | Davide-NYC | Maybe I misspoke. |
| 05:30:33 | jhMikeS | unmisspeak then! ;) |
| 05:30:55 | Davide-NYC | Hold on, let me listen back again. |
| 05:31:08 | Davide-NYC | I'm not sure what happens when SR change on the fly |
| 05:31:21 | Davide-NYC | But I have 96kHz confirmed working! |
| 05:31:27 | Davide-NYC | w00t! |
| 05:31:34 | Davide-NYC | you are amazing |
| 05:31:36 | jhMikeS | Once you're recording it'll keep on truckin' thinking it's the old rate |
| 05:31:47 | jhMikeS | gracias :) |
| 05:32:07 | Davide-NYC | It should check every second or so that the SR is the same. |
| 05:32:24 | Davide-NYC | Or maybe that's unnecessary |
| 05:32:46 | jhMikeS | And do what? It'll have to file split. The only rate recomfirmation is when actually beginning a new recording, not file splits. |
| 05:33:13 | Davide-NYC | yeah it just does a massive 'pitch shift' |
| 05:33:23 | Davide-NYC | it shoudl split the files. |
| 05:33:42 | Davide-NYC | but it doesn't have to all that precise, it would just be emergency handling. |
| 05:33:42 | jhMikeS | Exactly what I'd expect really, and your recording time should increment differently too. |
| 05:34:33 | jhMikeS | I think it could be more accurate than a second. Like .1s and not burden things much. |
| 05:34:43 | Davide-NYC | you know what. |
| 05:34:50 | jhMikeS | si? |
| 05:34:54 | Davide-NYC | couldn;t the file be corrected afterward in post? |
| 05:35:05 | jhMikeS | Sure |
| 05:35:06 | Davide-NYC | split the file and change the SR header |
| 05:35:11 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 05:35:12 | Davide-NYC | so then forget it. |
| 05:35:19 | Davide-NYC | garbage in = garbage outr |
| 05:35:24 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
| 05:35:44 | jhMikeS | If you stop recording and restart it will pick up the new rate too. |
| 05:35:46 | Davide-NYC | I have one small request |
| 05:35:49 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 05:36:08 | Davide-NYC | the settings should change on setting menu exit not on return to WRS |
| 05:37:07 | jhMikeS | I don't understand that. The settings are changed on settings menu exit. The settings are applied on return to WRS. |
| 05:37:30 | Davide-NYC | OK sorry. They should apply on setting menu exit then. |
| 05:37:51 | Davide-NYC | and the recording menu statusbar should display this change right away as well. |
| 05:37:56 | jhMikeS | It's easier that way really. I think HWCODEC does it that way but I actually removed that for SWCODEC because it was a bad thing to do. It may not be any longer. |
| 05:38:23 | jhMikeS | Last I checked it did as soon as the setting changed because it picks it up from global_settings. |
| 05:39:52 | Davide-NYC | Yeah, I've have close to 10 beers today so I apologize in advance |
| 05:40:06 | Davide-NYC | It seems to work the way I want it to. |
| 05:40:17 | jhMikeS | that alright |
| 05:40:26 | Davide-NYC | We should poll for SR changes and filesplit if necessary. |
| 05:40:41 | jhMikeS | Refining should be easy once the base in in place |
| 05:40:51 | Davide-NYC | I can't believe this thing is gonna take 88.2kHz and 86kHz. |
| 05:40:59 | Davide-NYC | So awesome. |
| 05:41:16 | Davide-NYC | I'm gonna buy me one if those external pre-amps. |
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| 05:41:42 | Davide-NYC | *96kHz |
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| 05:41:50 | jhMikeS | I think sample depth should be worked on as I see (and hear) more value in higher bit depths than sample rates really. |
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| 05:42:45 | Davide-NYC | yeah. I am a fan of 24bit 88.2kHz as a recording format. It just sounds 'correct' to me. |
| 05:43:48 | jhMikeS | where'd you get those spdif cables with the mini toslink adapters? |
| 05:47:30 | Davide-NYC | eBay |
| 05:48:14 | jhMikeS | ahh...sounds like exactly the kind of thing I need. know who makes them? |
| 05:50:36 | Davide-NYC | hold on I find a link |
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| 05:51:05 | Davide-NYC | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=mini-toslink+toslink&category0= |
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| 05:54:23 | jhMikeS | I thought your said the ones you have actually have the snap on mini adapters at the ends do that all combos are possible. |
| 05:55:23 | Davide-NYC | that was Pail |
| 05:55:25 | Davide-NYC | *paul |
| 05:55:43 | Davide-NYC | I would buy those if I could find them |
| 05:55:46 | jhMikeS | oh... |
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| 05:56:40 | Davide-NYC | http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILIPS-6-TOSLINK-OPTICAL-CABLE-W-MINI-ADAPTERS-SAVE_W0QQitemZ220040757171QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64594QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 05:56:43 | Davide-NYC | POW! |
| 05:57:07 | Davide-NYC | just search for toslink adapter |
| 05:57:13 | Davide-NYC | all sorts of results |
| 05:57:43 | jhMikeS | adapters are easy but a cable that just comes with them seems rate |
| 05:57:46 | jhMikeS | rare even |
| 05:58:20 | jhMikeS | I just saw something kinda funny...gold plated connectors on a toslink optical cable for maximum signal tranfer! :D |
| 05:58:39 | Davide-NYC | hahah |
| 05:58:51 | jhMikeS | It was at the Fry's electronics place |
| 05:59:04 | Davide-NYC | Did you see my menu idea in the frum>? |
| 05:59:07 | Davide-NYC | *forum |
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| 05:59:46 | jhMikeS | Not since the last. Is it a new one? |
| 05:59:59 | knewt | if i have two copies of the same music, one as flac, one as mp3, is there any way to make sure the tag-cache picks up the flac copy? it's picking up the mp3 one and ignoring the flac copy |
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| 06:00:25 | Davide-NYC | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7118.msg55863#msg55863 |
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| 06:01:02 | Davide-NYC | I also may have upset a guy with my rant. |
| 06:01:11 | Davide-NYC | *or comment, as it where. |
| 06:01:29 | jhMikeS | shit I'm gonna just do a but it now on two of those |
| 06:01:52 | jhMikeS | $3.33 a piece. I can't really lose on that. |
| 06:02:05 | jhMikeS | Hold on...gotta hit ebay real quick :) |
| 06:04:06 | jhMikeS | hope my connection doesn't bomb out now |
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| 06:07:57 | jhMikeS | I like a more functionally grouped menu myself. |
| 06:08:04 | jhMikeS | Like that |
| 06:09:48 | jhMikeS | Why shouldn't AGC clip time be under automatic gain control? Like AGC->AGC Enabled/AGC Clip time. |
| 06:09:58 | jhMikeS | Or whatever is there |
| 06:10:16 | Davide-NYC | hmm, that works for me |
| 06:10:39 | Davide-NYC | I just think the relatively rarely changed settings sould be un a sub-menu forever untouched |
| 06:10:45 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 06:11:00 | Davide-NYC | what about source dependant settings? |
| 06:11:11 | Davide-NYC | that would be glorious |
| 06:11:28 | Davide-NYC | and two other nagging little things: |
| 06:11:39 | Davide-NYC | 1. the sxource should displayed somehow on the WRS |
| 06:11:58 | Davide-NYC | 2. User selectable recording directory. |
| 06:12:26 | Davide-NYC | (that stays the same until a user wants to change it) |
| 06:12:34 | Davide-NYC | *source |
| 06:12:52 | * | Davide-NYC must learn to type while drunk one of these days |
| 06:14:43 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: I have to go to sleep now. Send me an email if you want me to do anything with regard to this. |
| 06:14:55 | Davide-NYC | I'm willing to do some work tomorrow night. |
| 06:15:00 | knewt | hmm, guess the answer to my question is a no then. oh well. annoying, but guess can live with it |
| 06:15:15 | Davide-NYC | huh> |
| 06:15:19 | Davide-NYC | ? |
| 06:15:45 | jhMikeS | see ya |
| 06:15:47 | Davide-NYC | are you referring to me? |
| 06:15:51 | funky | ls |
| 06:15:53 | funky | ups |
| 06:15:56 | Davide-NYC | easy |
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| 06:16:04 | jhMikeS | got a few of those |
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| 06:55:13 | webguest50 | anybody here? |
| 06:55:36 | webguest50 | i need help concerning da 5g ipod with rockbox |
| 06:56:02 | scorche | well, i see 113 users in the channel... |
| 06:56:46 | webguest50 | really ur smart...so can anybody help? |
| 06:57:09 | scorche | no one can help you with a question you have not asked |
| 06:57:50 | webguest50 | well does the current rockbox play any kinda of video and if so how |
| 06:58:08 | scorche | yes it does...it is a work in progress |
| 06:58:16 | scorche | see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer |
| 06:58:47 | webguest50 | ok thanx |
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| 07:00:22 | | Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) |
| 07:00:23 | EnterUserName | hi all |
| 07:00:43 | EnterUserName | whats better of rockbox compared to the software that apple ipod software has for first generation nano? |
| 07:01:03 | EnterUserName | im just curious |
| 07:01:05 | | Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) |
| 07:01:05 | scorche | see the wiki page WhyRockbox =) |
| 07:01:22 | webguest50 | for that plugin wuld u be able to give me a link? |
| 07:01:39 | scorche | a link to what? |
| 07:01:49 | EnterUserName | woah |
| 07:01:51 | EnterUserName | you got bubbles!! |
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| 07:02:09 | EnterUserName | how do you know ify our nano is first generation |
| 07:02:11 | EnterUserName | im prettysure mine is :) |
| 07:02:31 | scorche | white or black plastic front, shiny metal back |
| 07:02:32 | webguest50 | to download the plugin |
| 07:02:33 | JdGordon | drop it from 9ft, if it breaks it is... |
| 07:02:41 | EnterUserName | huh |
| 07:03:04 | EnterUserName | ? |
| 07:03:04 | EnterUserName | yup thats what i got |
| 07:03:04 | EnterUserName | whats the second generation |
| 07:03:04 | scorche | webguest50: all plugins come with rockbox |
| 07:03:25 | scorche | multi colored and all metal |
| 07:03:30 | scorche | ...and drops from 1 foot |
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| 07:03:49 | EnterUserName | well the new nano is less sturdy then the old one/ |
| 07:03:56 | scorche | from one test, yes |
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| 07:04:13 | EnterUserName | I can't find the why rockbox |
| 07:04:15 | EnterUserName | im on the wiki |
| 07:04:24 | EnterUserName | but playing bubbles would be fun :) |
| 07:04:37 | andrewmel | enterusername, it is a link on the front page of rockbox.org |
| 07:04:55 | scorche | to get to a specific wiki page, type it into the box at the top |
| 07:05:01 | scorche | from the wiki of course |
| 07:05:09 | EnterUserName | i got it |
| 07:05:23 | EnterUserName | The thing i do like about ipods software is that it looks nice... |
| 07:05:41 | scorche | you can make rockbox look however you want it to |
| 07:05:48 | EnterUserName | oh does it support podcasts/ |
| 07:05:54 | scorche | go to the WPSGallery |
| 07:06:11 | webguest50 | ok what i mean is that i just tonight installed the mostcurrent rockbox 4 5g video ipod how can i play video on it, is it capable at this point? |
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| 07:06:15 | scorche | podcasts are just audio files...what do you mean? |
| 07:06:27 | EnterUserName | oh hrm.. |
| 07:06:31 | EnterUserName | does it work with amarok? |
| 07:06:39 | scorche | webguest50: read the wiki page that i gave to you |
| 07:06:51 | scorche | you dont need it |
| 07:07:06 | EnterUserName | huh? |
| 07:07:07 | scorche | it uses a file structure so you can just drag and drop |
| 07:07:15 | webguest50 | ... |
| 07:07:15 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 07:07:25 | * | EnterUserName ponders, to do it or not to :) |
| 07:07:37 | EnterUserName | i had ipodlinux |
| 07:07:39 | EnterUserName | i wasn't too impressed |
| 07:07:46 | aliask | That's because it sucks :) |
| 07:07:57 | scorche | we have a different philosophy than them |
| 07:08:00 | EnterUserName | well i'll give it a shot and try it out :) |
| 07:08:04 | EnterUserName | whats your philosphy.. heh |
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| 07:08:24 | EnterUserName | im trying to find your gallery |
| 07:08:24 | aliask | Replacement firmware, it should be able to do most (if not all) of the things of the original firmware, and more |
| 07:08:25 | scorche | we are more centered on getting the best audio quality/features you can |
| 07:08:32 | EnterUserName | flac is nice |
| 07:08:39 | EnterUserName | ive been convertign them to mp3s |
| 07:08:41 | EnterUserName | :( |
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| 07:09:50 | webguest98 | ok sorry got disconnected so this is me da "i need help with the video issue wit 5g ipod guy" |
| 07:09:58 | EnterUserName | wheres the gallery! i cant fin dit. |
| 07:10:07 | aliask | EnterUserName: Gallery for what? |
| 07:10:13 | EnterUserName | nevermind foudn it |
| 07:10:14 | scorche | WPS |
| 07:10:19 | scorche | ;) |
| 07:10:38 | webguest98 | while playin screen? |
| 07:10:55 | scorche | that is what it stands for, yes |
| 07:11:07 | EnterUserName | wow nice |
| 07:11:23 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 07:11:30 | EnterUserName | ya a naked girl on my ipod while listening to music ha haha |
| 07:11:46 | scorche | well, you can change anything you want |
| 07:11:48 | aliask | Eye and ear candy. |
| 07:11:56 | scorche | even make your own if you wish |
| 07:11:59 | EnterUserName | im being sarcastic but hey u got one on there :) |
| 07:12:22 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 07:12:24 | EnterUserName | im gunna try it out |
| 07:12:30 | EnterUserName | i'll let u know if i buy :) |
| 07:12:38 | EnterUserName | i do like using it with amarok though :( |
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| 07:12:42 | webguest98 | ...yea but i want some video playback like mpeg or mp4 |
| 07:12:54 | aliask | webguest98: Then wait. |
| 07:12:56 | scorche | you can use amarok if you wish...just saying you dont have to anymore |
| 07:13:19 | scorche | webguest98: i told you...it is a work in progress....and it does play mpeg ;) |
| 07:13:20 | EnterUserName | well it keeps track of how many times il istento songs and stuff |
| 07:13:32 | EnterUserName | lets see how to instal it |
| 07:13:35 | scorche | it can through runtimeDB |
| 07:13:38 | scorche | see the manual |
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| 07:13:55 | EnterUserName | can u watch videos with nano? |
| 07:14:02 | EnterUserName | or just music |
| 07:14:13 | scorche | yes, but our video player is still a work in progress |
| 07:14:19 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
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| 07:14:26 | EnterUserName | what codecs same problem with linuxonipod? |
| 07:14:36 | scorche | what problem? |
| 07:14:40 | EnterUserName | huge AVI files |
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| 07:14:46 | EnterUserName | so i can only watch 15 minute clips |
| 07:14:48 | EnterUserName | on 4 gigs |
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| 07:14:58 | scorche | not quite |
| 07:15:04 | EnterUserName | how much is a 2 hour clip? |
| 07:15:17 | scorche | trust me...it isnt worth watching videos on it yet |
| 07:15:36 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 07:15:43 | EnterUserName | So do i download the old link? |
| 07:16:06 | scorche | the manual tells you everything that you need to do |
| 07:16:15 | EnterUserName | ok on it. |
| 07:16:20 | | Part Eve |
| 07:16:38 | webguest98 | scorche ur mainly runnin dis b***h arnt u |
| 07:16:53 | scorche | webguest98: uhhh...what? |
| 07:16:53 | webguest98 | r u a developer? |
| 07:17:10 | scorche | speak english please |
| 07:17:19 | scorche | "are" "you" "this" etc |
| 07:17:25 | scorche | ;) |
| 07:17:55 | scorche | i am not a developer, but i am involved with the project |
| 07:17:56 | webguest98 | ARE YOU running THIS bitch... :) |
| 07:18:01 | JdGordon | does anyone know if parts of the target drivers can be moved to target-tree without breaking the build? i.e only move the button driver? |
| 07:19:12 | webguest98 | well... |
| 07:19:27 | EnterUserName | oh wow same instructions on linux for ipod :) |
| 07:19:39 | scorche | JdGordon: might have to wait a few hours before asking... |
| 07:19:50 | JdGordon | yeah, thats what i was thinking :p |
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| 07:20:05 | JdGordon | 7.20am in sweden.. sunday morning.. |
| 07:20:08 | jdhoreotg | wow...a lot of people here |
| 07:20:14 | JdGordon | so quite a few hiurs i would think |
| 07:20:21 | scorche | and they usually show up later on weekends... |
| 07:20:24 | EnterUserName | its 1:20am |
| 07:20:24 | EnterUserName | here |
| 07:20:25 | webguest98 | juz wondering y is there a broadcom chip inside my ipod??? :^x |
| 07:20:39 | scorche | uh...because apple wanted to put one in there? |
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| 07:21:23 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 07:21:30 | jdhoreotg | i have a quick RockBox question: is there currently (official or unofficial) or will there ever be a Windows installer for iPod RockBox? |
| 07:21:39 | EnterUserName | isn't there one/ |
| 07:21:51 | webguest92 | so who would be the rockbox genius in the house? |
| 07:21:57 | jdhoreotg | i didn't think so |
| 07:22:02 | scorche | jdhoreotg: there is an unofficial one |
| 07:22:13 | jdhoreotg | can ya link me? |
| 07:22:16 | scorche | but i cant verify how well it works etc |
| 07:22:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, it depends on what player you have. |
| 07:22:23 | jdhoreotg | i got that... |
| 07:22:26 | scorche | search for "rockbox installer" on the forunms |
| 07:22:58 | scorche | webguest92: we all are on different topics... |
| 07:23:45 | jdhoreotg | hmm...WTF...the forums are lagging like crazy for me... |
| 07:24:43 | webguest92 | well i juz wanna learn how to modify rockbox to the max... only lil trick ive learned on my own is to open the wps bitmap file and instaed of the rockbox logo it has my initials... simple though |
| 07:25:21 | scorche | you can modify it anyway you want...it is open source |
| 07:25:28 | | Quit webguest98 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 07:25:30 | webguest92 | true... |
| 07:25:33 | jdhoreotg | for learning stuff like that, i'd start messing around with the firmware/os and just have fun and if you mess it up, you mess it up |
| 07:25:59 | | Quit Ramshankar ("Vision[1.2.0-Z-12102006]: i've been blurred!") |
| 07:26:42 | webguest92 | by "messin up" can it b permanant? cause i mean its just software u can always reload the os right? |
| 07:26:54 | jdhoreotg | oh...sweet...i'd start messing with my iPod, but i only have one and i live on the freaking thing so i'd prolly cry if i bricked it |
| 07:27:11 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 07:27:15 | jdhoreotg | could be permanent...but 99.9% of the time, it wouldn't be |
| 07:27:15 | EnterUserName | hows the daily build everyone :) |
| 07:27:20 | EnterUserName | since there is no darn stable build :) |
| 07:27:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | jdhoreotg: On the iPod you can't really permanently mess it up. |
| 07:27:57 | webguest92 | any body know any forums like this for the psp? |
| 07:28:09 | webguest92 | or "chat" i mean |
| 07:28:13 | EnterUserName | Hey all |
| 07:28:17 | scorche | webguest92: #psp? |
| 07:28:19 | EnterUserName | ya ive screwed my ipod plenty of times using ipodforlinux |
| 07:28:22 | jdhoreotg | google: "psp irc" |
| 07:28:23 | EnterUserName | :p |
| 07:28:37 | EnterUserName | ok.. whcih build should i use is todays build ok? |
| 07:28:42 | jdhoreotg | hehe...thank god for accidental insurance |
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| 07:29:02 | | Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 07:29:20 | scorche | actually, they are usually void when you put 3rd party firmwares on them...if they detect it of course |
| 07:29:28 | EnterUserName | oh lol |
| 07:29:34 | EnterUserName | well futureshop wont know |
| 07:29:36 | EnterUserName | :p |
| 07:29:44 | jdhoreotg | yes, this is why i get mine replaced at Apple stores... |
| 07:30:04 | EnterUserName | what? |
| 07:30:13 | EnterUserName | i got mine at futureshop |
| 07:30:15 | jdhoreotg | cuz they don't know... |
| 07:30:19 | EnterUserName | i'm pretty sure my 2 year warranties |
| 07:30:21 | jdhoreotg | i got mine from Apple |
| 07:30:23 | EnterUserName | they wouldn't know either :) |
| 07:30:54 | EnterUserName | hrm either way ive killed my ipod a few times |
| 07:31:00 | EnterUserName | and i was able to get it working again |
| 07:31:04 | webguest92 | psp irc is for the psp...dont feel like doin that any regular chats? |
| 07:31:15 | scorche | webguest92: how would we know? |
| 07:31:31 | scorche | and you asked for the psp.. |
| 07:31:32 | jdhoreotg | yea... |
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| 07:32:39 | webguest92 | >>>>> |
| 07:32:43 | webguest92 | ? |
| 07:32:45 | webguest92 | > |
| 07:32:53 | | Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 07:32:59 | | Join webguest82 [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 07:33:13 | jdhoreotg | just Download mIRC...it's that freaking easy...most IRC's don't have java chat |
| 07:33:58 | scorche | ...or any other irc client provided you arent limited by firewalls, etc |
| 07:34:04 | EnterUserName | woo hoo |
| 07:34:07 | EnterUserName | lets see if i broke my ipod |
| 07:35:14 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 07:35:18 | EnterUserName | well that kinda sucks |
| 07:35:33 | EnterUserName | i cant use mya lready playlist.. starts reading the manual on increasing the fotn size |
| 07:35:50 | scorche | ...huh? |
| 07:36:03 | EnterUserName | i got this crappy text stuff :p |
| 07:36:08 | jdhoreotg | it's weird...i see all these things making me want to put RockBox on my iPod, but i'm just too afraid... |
| 07:36:36 | EnterUserName | I just did |
| 07:36:40 | scorche | jdhoreotg: there is nothing to be afraid of |
| 07:36:41 | EnterUserName | i cant seem to figure out how to play musc lol |
| 07:36:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | jdhoreotg: Why are you afraid? |
| 07:37:07 | scorche | EnterUserName: read the manual... |
| 07:37:11 | webguest82 | afraid of what? |
| 07:37:19 | EnterUserName | shouldn't be afraid jdhoreotg you really acnt break it |
| 07:37:24 | jdhoreotg | that's part of what i'm afraid of...also...it will probably take me a LONG time to backup all my music |
| 07:37:31 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 07:37:31 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 07:37:34 | EnterUserName | i just have 4 gigs |
| 07:37:42 | jdhoreotg | i have about 17gb |
| 07:37:45 | EnterUserName | and everythings on my hd.. so i guess i can see why u worry |
| 07:38:10 | webguest82 | apple sux they need to maximize and make da shit simple they wuld make alot more money if it was easier to put shit on the ipod |
| 07:38:13 | scorche | jdhoreotg: provided you follow the instructions, you dont need to back up your music |
| 07:38:18 | jdhoreotg | also, about 70% of my music is encoded at AAC 160kbps which it seems like rockbox doesn't fully support... |
| 07:38:21 | scorche | although it is always a good idea to have a backup |
| 07:38:49 | jdhoreotg | well...i do have a backup, but it's in about 17 different folders on one of my HD's |
| 07:40:02 | jdhoreotg | i'm very seriously considering it now...is there anything i can do about my 160kbps AAC library or am i screwed on that one unless i reencode all of it? |
| 07:40:13 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 07:40:24 | EnterUserName | there is no file browser.. |
| 07:40:41 | scorche | EnterUserName: ? |
| 07:40:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | The first thing you see upon booting Rockbox is the file browser... |
| 07:40:57 | EnterUserName | well i see root |
| 07:41:06 | scorche | jdhoreotg: how did you encode it? |
| 07:41:13 | scorche | EnterUserName: that is the file browser |
| 07:41:20 | EnterUserName | thats what i thought |
| 07:41:20 | jdhoreotg | with iTunes' encoder |
| 07:42:11 | scorche | you *should* be fine then |
| 07:42:20 | jdhoreotg | me? |
| 07:42:31 | scorche | yes |
| 07:42:45 | webguest82 | anybody know any psp hacks? |
| 07:42:54 | EnterUserName | is there anyone to use my apple firmware playlsit with this? |
| 07:43:03 | scorche | webguest82: this isnt a psp channel... |
| 07:43:19 | scorche | EnterUserName: what do you mean? |
| 07:43:19 | webguest82 | yea but same concept homie |
| 07:43:24 | daurn|laptop | scorche: it is now |
| 07:43:32 | scorche | daurn|laptop: shoo |
| 07:43:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest82: A) It's not the same concept. B) Even if it were, this channel is about Rockbox, not about any given concept. |
| 07:43:36 | webguest82 | yea :) |
| 07:43:37 | daurn|laptop | webguest82: yes |
| 07:43:39 | EnterUserName | I wannt to use the playlist i made with my ipod |
| 07:44:07 | JdGordon | woot, h300 button code is in target tree and still works :D |
| 07:44:10 | scorche | EnterUserName: is it in m3u format? |
| 07:44:18 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 07:44:21 | EnterUserName | dunno i made it in amarok |
| 07:44:33 | EnterUserName | so im guessing its ituens format |
| 07:44:41 | scorche | well, at least, the filename should end in .m3u |
| 07:45:00 | jdhoreotg | 3 final questions and i'll stop being annoying: 1. i assume all my MP3's encoded at random (but normal) bitrates will work OK... 2. from what you've heard of/seen about the Windows GUI installer, will it require me to reformat my iPod? 3. how do i drop back into Apple firmware if i'm in Rockbox? |
| 07:45:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: It's probably just a playlist within the iTunesDB. There was a plugin to convert those at a point. |
| 07:45:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | jdhoreotg: 1) Yes, 2) No, 3) Hold menu while booting |
| 07:45:53 | jdhoreotg | ok, with #2 have you used it or are you just assuming? |
| 07:46:03 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: eh...i wouldnt know....m3u would tell you a lot.. |
| 07:46:16 | webguest82 | ok just stole one and the stupid people have the latest firm on it any help on how to take it bak to 1.5 |
| 07:46:19 | webguest82 | ok just stole one and the stupid people have the latest firm on it any help on how to take it bak to 1.5 |
| 07:46:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: I don't believe they're actually files. |
| 07:46:30 | daurn|laptop | webguest82: whats it on now? |
| 07:46:36 | scorche | jdhoreotg: if it does (which there is no reason to), it should tell you |
| 07:46:43 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: ah |
| 07:46:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest82: A) Please do not discuss illegal activities in this channel. B) This is NOT A PSP CHANNEL |
| 07:46:49 | jdhoreotg | thank you |
| 07:46:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Do not encourage him. |
| 07:46:57 | daurn|laptop | Paul_the_Nerd: its ont illegel |
| 07:47:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | daurn|laptop: He just said he stole one. |
| 07:47:09 | webguest82 | at 2.71 |
| 07:47:26 | daurn|laptop | Paul_the_Nerd: i'm no talking about that though |
| 07:47:36 | aliask | Why are you even talking here |
| 07:47:37 | jdhoreotg | (webguest82): if you continue discussing illegal activities, i will have one of the Freenode admins server ban you |
| 07:47:38 | daurn|laptop | webguest82: grab downgrader and run it |
| 07:48:01 | * | scorche sighs |
| 07:48:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Also, take your discussion with him to PMs please |
| 07:48:27 | webguest82 | ok i found it... :) |
| 07:50:34 | scorche | or, since he is on CGI:IRC, tell him to go into a different channel that you are on |
| 07:51:06 | EnterUserName | Question: How do i find the tag cache option in the menu |
| 07:51:10 | EnterUserName | cant seem to find it from the manual |
| 07:51:20 | webguest82 | wats the beef about? were all in this together right? ;^x |
| 07:51:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:52:08 | scorche | webguest82: i dont know what you refer to as "this", but "we" probably are not |
| 07:52:21 | EnterUserName | found it |
| 07:52:22 | jdhoreotg | no, THIS IS NOT A PSP CHANNEL! WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NOOB! |
| 07:52:36 | scorche | jdhoreotg: namecalling doesnt help |
| 07:53:09 | webguest82 | noob? wow u cool... |
| 07:53:11 | YouCeyE | hi.. rockbox on h10 wont show music folders |
| 07:53:14 | jdhoreotg | i know...people like him just piss me off to no end...i apologize to everyone except webguest82 |
| 07:53:19 | YouCeyE | on the first screen |
| 07:54:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: And you're sure those folders aren't marked as hidden by your filesystem? |
| 07:54:50 | webguest82 | one of the main concepts in here is that were all trying to modify electronics... aint lookin 4 trouble so chill |
| 07:54:56 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, may be.. |
| 07:55:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest82: No, the ONLY concept in here is discussion of Rockbox. |
| 07:55:05 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, how can i unhide it in linux? |
| 07:55:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: I'm honestly not really sure. |
| 07:55:38 | jdhoreotg | if your looking for electronice stuff, please use google... |
| 07:55:48 | YouCeyE | in windows i think they show up as hidden |
| 07:55:51 | webguest82 | daurn|laptop appreciate the help it worked |
| 07:56:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: Then either change Rockbox to view All instead of Music or Supported, or unhide the folders, and you should be fine |
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| 07:56:53 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, i just did view all for now |
| 07:57:08 | scorche | YouCeyE: chattr? |
| 07:57:36 | YouCeyE | sorry scorche, what is chattr? |
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| 07:57:46 | scorche | YouCeyE: a linux command |
| 07:57:58 | YouCeyE | i am getting some pauses when i am playing a single file.. |
| 07:58:05 | scorche | ...to change file attributes |
| 07:58:13 | YouCeyE | it plays for 5 secs pauses and resumes in 2 secs |
| 07:58:20 | YouCeyE | thanks scorche |
| 07:58:29 | scorche | do you have the eq or crossfade on? |
| 07:58:47 | YouCeyE | how shld i check it? |
| 07:58:59 | scorche | from the menu options |
| 07:59:11 | YouCeyE | nope |
| 07:59:21 | scorche | what files are these? |
| 07:59:45 | scorche | in terms of format, bitrate, etc |
| 07:59:52 | jdhoreotg | ok, i'll be back |
| 07:59:56 | scorche | also, what wps are you using? |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:07 | webguest82 | daurn|laptop u still in here? |
| 08:00:19 | YouCeyE | scorche, vbr mp3 files |
| 08:00:26 | scorche | webguest82: if the question is anything about the psp, dont ask it |
| 08:00:41 | YouCeyE | 249k bit avg |
| 08:00:55 | | Part jdhoreotg |
| 08:00:56 | YouCeyE | wps is default |
| 08:00:59 | webguest82 | no its about yo mama nigga |
| 08:00:59 | scorche | YouCeyE: are you using an official build? |
| 08:01:07 | YouCeyE | i just loaded rockbox on h10 |
| 08:01:23 | EnterUserName | when i go to root it automatically loads the songs |
| 08:01:23 | | Quit webguest82 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 08:01:24 | YouCeyE | just got the latest cvs build |
| 08:01:24 | scorche | webguest82: that kind of language is not accepted here |
| 08:01:25 | EnterUserName | i cant get to a browser |
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| 08:02:00 | scorche | EnterUserName: what do you mean?...like Paul_the_Nerd said, the browser is the first screen you see |
| 08:02:11 | EnterUserName | These are the options i see |
| 08:02:22 | EnterUserName | Calenders/Contacts/Notees/pLaylist/ |
| 08:02:28 | scorche | yeah |
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| 08:02:33 | scorche | those are folders from the apple OS |
| 08:02:36 | webguest83 | hello guys |
| 08:03:12 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 08:03:18 | EnterUserName | I wanna see my files |
| 08:03:19 | scorche | EnterUserName: your music is still arranged the itunes way...check the manual for instructions on using tagcache, and use that |
| 08:03:19 | YouCeyE | scorche, more pauses :( |
| 08:03:29 | EnterUserName | yes i just turned on tag cache |
| 08:03:34 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 08:03:39 | EnterUserName | but it still says root |
| 08:04:03 | scorche | then you are not viewing the tagcache tree |
| 08:04:18 | scorche | change your view mode to tagcache |
| 08:04:22 | | Quit webguest83 (Client Quit) |
| 08:04:45 | scorche | YouCeyE: does this happen on every file, or just this one |
| 08:04:54 | YouCeyE | scorche, looks like its pausing when loading file.. |
| 08:04:58 | YouCeyE | happening for every file |
| 08:05:10 | YouCeyE | it is pausing in between |
| 08:05:15 | YouCeyE | file is less than 10 mb |
| 08:05:15 | scorche | and you are sure that you dont have the eq or crossfade on |
| 08:05:20 | YouCeyE | yes |
| 08:05:23 | YouCeyE | just checked |
| 08:05:28 | EnterUserName | darn it crashed again |
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| 08:05:43 | YouCeyE | i think it is not loading the whole file at once |
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| 08:05:58 | scorche | wait...in between files or while playing the file itself |
| 08:06:07 | YouCeyE | playing file itself |
| 08:06:24 | scorche | you can check in the audio thread option in the debug menu |
| 08:06:45 | EnterUserName | Scorche: i get into the general settings adn its crashing |
| 08:06:48 | YouCeyE | me? |
| 08:06:51 | EnterUserName | is it possible oct 27 build sux. |
| 08:06:53 | EnterUserName | ;) |
| 08:06:57 | scorche | YouCeyE: yes |
| 08:07:08 | scorche | EnterUserName: what do you mean "crashing"? |
| 08:07:12 | EnterUserName | its frozen |
| 08:07:18 | EnterUserName | i cant do anythign with it |
| 08:07:25 | EnterUserName | andi have to do a hard reset |
| 08:08:03 | scorche | so pusing buttons and/or scrolling does not work? |
| 08:08:10 | scorche | s/pusing/pushing |
| 08:08:13 | EnterUserName | nope |
| 08:08:19 | EnterUserName | nothing |
| 08:08:30 | EnterUserName | i have to hard reset it |
| 08:08:41 | scorche | odd...try an earlier build |
| 08:09:07 | NRH | take apart and disconnect battery if the menu+select does not work |
| 08:09:14 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 08:09:20 | EnterUserName | no i dont think i'll do that |
| 08:09:26 | EnterUserName | menu select works |
| 08:09:28 | scorche | NRH: that is practically never necessary |
| 08:09:32 | * | EnterUserName nods to scorche |
| 08:09:34 | YouCeyE | scorche, how do i get to debug menu? |
| 08:09:38 | EnterUserName | sigh |
| 08:10:07 | scorche | YouCeyE: menu > info > debug menu > audio thread |
| 08:10:56 | YouCeyE | sorry for asking.. how do i get to main menu on h10? |
| 08:11:03 | YouCeyE | what button while playing a song |
| 08:11:06 | scorche | i dont know...check the manual |
| 08:12:01 | EnterUserName | how do i get to the file browser |
| 08:12:03 | EnterUserName | from the main menu :S |
| 08:12:23 | scorche | EnterUserName: hit the menu button again |
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| 08:12:40 | EnterUserName | there we go.. |
| 08:12:46 | jdhoreotg | how do i reboot the iPod when i'm in RockBox? |
| 08:13:03 | NRH | same as usual i guess |
| 08:13:13 | scorche | jdhoreotg: hold play to shut it down...reboot is the same way in apple os |
| 08:13:25 | EnterUserName | hrm my podcasts arent showing op |
| 08:13:27 | NRH | there ya go |
| 08:13:44 | NRH | pod casts...not capable |
| 08:13:55 | EnterUserName | see |
| 08:13:56 | scorche | NRH: they are just audio files... |
| 08:13:59 | EnterUserName | darn ;( |
| 08:14:27 | NRH | oic |
| 08:14:32 | EnterUserName | how do i get to them :S |
| 08:14:32 | YouCeyE | scorche, doesnt work |
| 08:14:35 | scorche | EnterUserName: i dont know/where itunes stores them...i would suggest just loading them on there by dragging and dropping |
| 08:14:41 | YouCeyE | its says long next for entering main menu |
| 08:14:45 | jdhoreotg | haha!!!!! EVERYTHING WORKS!!! EVERYTHING WORKS!!! |
| 08:14:51 | YouCeyE | but it goes to context menu first |
| 08:14:53 | jdhoreotg | I LOVE YOU AL |
| 08:15:00 | jdhoreotg | *ALL |
| 08:15:08 | * | jdhoreotg hugs everyone in channel |
| 08:15:37 | NRH | ok... |
| 08:16:10 | scorche | YouCeyE: are you sure you are reading the manual right? (i cant check as i am haivng connection issues |
| 08:16:31 | jdhoreotg | sotty, i'm just uber happy/excited |
| 08:16:34 | jdhoreotg | *sorrt |
| 08:16:37 | jdhoreotg | *sorry |
| 08:17:07 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 08:17:12 | NRH | so about that psp hack...lol :) |
| 08:17:14 | EnterUserName | how do i do both tag cache and playlist? |
| 08:17:32 | EnterUserName | :S |
| 08:17:37 | YouCeyE | scorche, yes |
| 08:17:56 | Rick | wait wait wait |
| 08:18:03 | Rick | why are people talking about PSP in a rockbox channel? |
| 08:18:07 | scorche | YouCeyE: try pushing buttons then...what button did the original firmware use for getting into the menu? |
| 08:18:09 | jdhoreotg | thank you all very, very much for helping me |
| 08:18:11 | scorche | Rick: we arent |
| 08:18:17 | myzar | because we have a secret alpha PSP release |
| 08:18:19 | myzar | but shhhhhhhhhh. |
| 08:18:22 | Rick | we do? |
| 08:18:23 | jdhoreotg | lol |
| 08:18:26 | NRH | any body know wat to name a downgrader and what file to put it on in the psp |
| 08:18:27 | myzar | well |
| 08:18:32 | myzar | you need sector 9 access to hear that information |
| 08:18:37 | Rick | haha |
| 08:18:39 | jdhoreotg | are you by chance Myzar from the OSx86 poject? |
| 08:18:44 | YouCeyE | scorche, prev button |
| 08:18:52 | NRH | i have that access lol |
| 08:18:57 | myzar | you need sector 9 access to hear that information as well |
| 08:19:05 | myzar | anyone that says they have it is lying |
| 08:19:06 | scorche | NRH: this is the last time i am telling you...STOP TALKING ABOUT PSP RELATED ITEMS |
| 08:19:14 | * | Rick hands myzar an upside down sector 6 pass |
| 08:19:27 | myzar | FAKE |
| 08:19:28 | scorche | YouCeyE: then try that |
| 08:19:31 | * | myzar stamps FAKE on Rick's forhead |
| 08:19:35 | Rick | crud, i've been discovered |
| 08:19:37 | EnterUserName | scorche: how do i show both views for playlist and id3 tags |
| 08:19:40 | scorche | long press that is |
| 08:19:41 | myzar | i *might* be, jdhoreotg |
| 08:19:45 | NRH | y cuz it dont exist and scorche u find me a psp hack chatroom and ill shut up |
| 08:19:47 | myzar | but i cannot confirm/deny |
| 08:19:52 | jdhoreotg | c'mon, don't do that to me |
| 08:19:55 | myzar | without my team of legal defence lawyers |
| 08:20:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | NRH: Seriously, YOU find you one. |
| 08:20:05 | YouCeyE | scorche, it takes to file show mode |
| 08:20:36 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: happen to know the menu button for H10 for YouCeyE ?...i cant access the manual atm |
| 08:20:44 | NRH | thank u paul great effort |
| 08:21:01 | jdhoreotg | How big is a stock Rockbox install (on iPod disk)? |
| 08:21:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | NRH: Seriously, this is #Rockbox, not #FirmwareHacks or anything else. |
| 08:21:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: The circle button, I think? |
| 08:21:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Just tap it. |
| 08:21:15 | NRH | ok ill chill |
| 08:21:17 | Rick | jdhoreotg: i'd wager ~2mb |
| 08:21:29 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: i would guess that, but tell it to YouCeyE =) |
| 08:21:30 | Rick | jdhoreotg: (then again, I havn't used rockbox in months and that was on my h120) |
| 08:21:30 | jdhoreotg | cool...just wondering |
| 08:21:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: Try tapping the Circle button, while in the filetree view. |
| 08:21:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: *tap* not hold. |
| 08:21:57 | NRH | well is any body in here a developer for rockbox or plannin to try to join |
| 08:22:01 | EnterUserName | hrm.. i think i still like the itunes interface |
| 08:22:08 | EnterUserName | this has cool features. |
| 08:22:11 | scorche | NRH: what do you need a dev for? |
| 08:22:31 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, circle button? |
| 08:22:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: That's what I've heard it referred to? |
| 08:22:45 | NRH | dont know maybe they can teach me cool stuff |
| 08:22:46 | Rick | yes, what do you need a dev for? I'd say a lot of the regulars here have contributed code at one point or another to rockbox |
| 08:22:48 | scorche | YouCeyE: i believe it is the leftmost button |
| 08:22:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: It may just be a power button that people are strangely calling "circle" |
| 08:23:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: I have no H10. :) I'm just trying to remember from offhand conversations a possible answer. ;) |
| 08:23:11 | jdhoreotg | EFnet #dcemu, NRH |
| 08:23:33 | jdhoreotg | i win |
| 08:23:37 | jdhoreotg | you lose |
| 08:23:41 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, thanks |
| 08:23:44 | YouCeyE | power button works |
| 08:23:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: It worked? |
| 08:23:48 | jdhoreotg | now service my penis please |
| 08:23:56 | jdhoreotg | :P |
| 08:24:05 | NRH | ...fag |
| 08:24:06 | scorche | jdhoreotg: you know what i am going to say ;) |
| 08:24:11 | YouCeyE | ok now scorche |
| 08:24:14 | * | Rick irons jdhoreotg's pants while he is still in them |
| 08:24:15 | jdhoreotg | i do indeed |
| 08:24:18 | scorche | NRH: i told you before abotut he language |
| 08:24:23 | jdhoreotg | lol |
| 08:24:23 | YouCeyE | should i try that threads? |
| 08:24:28 | YouCeyE | is it ok for non developer? |
| 08:24:31 | EnterUserName | Hey all |
| 08:24:33 | scorche | YouCeyE: it is |
| 08:24:36 | EnterUserName | how do i tell it to load the apple firmware |
| 08:24:37 | YouCeyE | should i stop playing file |
| 08:24:41 | EnterUserName | does it have dual boot |
| 08:24:41 | scorche | no |
| 08:24:45 | YouCeyE | before i check that option? |
| 08:24:47 | jdhoreotg | but NRH, seriously, there's you're PSP IRC channel |
| 08:24:49 | EnterUserName | scorche: that no to me? |
| 08:24:59 | scorche | EnterUserName: it does...hold menu while booting |
| 08:25:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: Hold Menu while booting. |
| 08:25:03 | scorche | (no) |
| 08:25:08 | jdhoreotg | i used Podzilla2 BL...i love it |
| 08:25:09 | NRH | were all grown people here all in favor of naughty words say fuk scorche |
| 08:25:17 | NRH | fuk scorche |
| 08:25:27 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:25:30 | YouCeyE | scorche, what info u want? |
| 08:25:32 | scorche | NRH: stop now |
| 08:25:35 | jdhoreotg | ooh... |
| 08:25:36 | * | Rick hands scorche a large cookie |
| 08:25:38 | jdhoreotg | lol |
| 08:25:42 | Rick | DO IT! |
| 08:25:42 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
| 08:25:44 | * | Rick bribes |
| 08:25:46 | * | BHSPitLappy lives in NRH |
| 08:25:54 | * | jdhoreotg hands scorche the Ban Hammer! |
| 08:26:00 | EnterUserName | nto bad at all |
| 08:26:02 | NRH | scorche ill eat u 4 breakfeast u fake ass geek |
| 08:26:07 | * | BHSPitLappy saws scorche a piece of clue-by-four! |
| 08:26:09 | * | EnterUserName hopes you guys implement ways to communicate it with the itunes database soon |
| 08:26:09 | Rick | Bye NRH |
| 08:26:17 | EnterUserName | and implement podcasts. |
| 08:26:19 | myzar | ewwwwww |
| 08:26:24 | EnterUserName | locations |
| 08:26:24 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 08:26:24 | Kick | (#rockbox NRH :scorche) by scorche!i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com |
| 08:26:24 | jdhoreotg | yeah, bye bye, NRH |
| 08:26:24 | myzar | that would be over the top |
| 08:26:29 | EnterUserName | huh |
| 08:26:30 | lex | EnterUserName: i hope it too |
| 08:26:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: We really don't care about the iPod database. |
| 08:26:30 | jdhoreotg | hehehe |
| 08:26:32 | YouCeyE | scorche, cpu freq 75mhz |
| 08:26:33 | scorche | is anyone else on the web client?....i need to knwo |
| 08:26:38 | BHSPitLappy | EnterUserName, why would any core dev implement that feature |
| 08:26:39 | myzar | rockbox has no limit on characters |
| 08:26:41 | lex | but i hope the most that rockbox would work on 5.5G :) |
| 08:26:47 | myzar | itunes DB does |
| 08:26:53 | myzar | as well as a directory structure |
| 08:26:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: We're a REPLACEMENT firmware, not a "Coexist and use features of the other" firmware. |
| 08:26:56 | lex | BHSPitLappy: because it would so much easier to play music on rockbox |
| 08:26:58 | Rick | scorche: AFAIK web clients encoded IPs into the ident, so banning that with the host should work |
| 08:26:58 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 08:27:01 | myzar | it'd have to check the DB, then check directory |
| 08:27:01 | | Join nrh2the|apologix [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) |
| 08:27:02 | jdhoreotg | i'm on mIRC |
| 08:27:03 | lex | if someone uses apple os too |
| 08:27:06 | myzar | that might be a bit annoying |
| 08:27:07 | Rick | CGI:IRC anyway |
| 08:27:14 | myzar | but something that can maybe link rockbox files |
| 08:27:17 | EnterUserName | oh.. Well what happens if i want to use podcasts/ |
| 08:27:19 | myzar | (other than unsupported formats) |
| 08:27:20 | scorche | Rick: we will see... |
| 08:27:25 | myzar | to the official firmware |
| 08:27:25 | myzar | might be nice |
| 08:27:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: They're just audio files... |
| 08:27:29 | EnterUserName | hrm. |
| 08:27:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: I don't understand the question. |
| 08:27:39 | EnterUserName | Well I use amarok to sync my nano |
| 08:27:39 | BHSPitLappy | EnterUserName, lex, that's like thinking a linux core dev would want to implement a linux Registry |
| 08:27:52 | jdhoreotg | (EnterUserName): nice |
| 08:27:53 | * | Rick points at nrh2the|apologix |
| 08:27:53 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, i was getting pauses while playing a single file |
| 08:28:07 | BHSPitLappy | lex, it's an understandable plugin, but not an integral part of rockbox |
| 08:28:07 | YouCeyE | plays for 5 secs.. 3 sec pause.. resume |
| 08:28:08 | jdhoreotg | everyone: any real importance in reading the user manual? |
| 08:28:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: Like, gaps in the playback during the file? |
| 08:28:16 | EnterUserName | So now its totally changed.. which makes it harder how do i add podcasts to it? |
| 08:28:17 | YouCeyE | yes |
| 08:28:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: Try a WPS without peakmeters... iCatcher theme, for example |
| 08:28:25 | YouCeyE | thanks |
| 08:28:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: Just copy the files over. |
| 08:28:29 | lex | BHSPitLappy: it's like linux and windows, linux has to support windows because windows doesn't support linux |
| 08:28:41 | jdhoreotg | heh...great analogy |
| 08:28:45 | lex | BHSPitLappy: so rockbox has to support apple os, because apple os doesn't support rockbox ;) |
| 08:28:46 | YouCeyE | how do i get out from this debug menu |
| 08:28:53 | EnterUserName | id basically have to start from scratch :S |
| 08:28:59 | scorche | YouCeyE: press menu again |
| 08:29:04 | nrh2the|apologix | i juz located a windows mobile platform for ipod |
| 08:29:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | lex: Why should Rockbox bother to support it? We have our own, arguably better alternative |
| 08:29:27 | lex | BHSPitLappy: and it's not easy to get 20GB of music two times to my 30GB ipod |
| 08:29:28 | EnterUserName | Yes you do. But lets say we want to know where our podcasts are :) |
| 08:29:38 | YouCeyE | scorche, wont work |
| 08:29:38 | BHSPitLappy | lex, I'm not sure how many people would use rockbox and apple os equally |
| 08:29:40 | scorche | or back... |
| 08:29:42 | YouCeyE | i cant get out of it |
| 08:29:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: Or you can use TagCache to automatically find and index the podcasts already on your iPod. Seriously, I can't help any more without an actual question or statement of what you want to do other than "use podcasts" because that means the same thing as "listen to audio" to me |
| 08:30:07 | jdhoreotg | (nrh2the|apologix): pPod...i think we know |
| 08:30:17 | jdhoreotg | there's also one for PalmOS |
| 08:30:32 | jdhoreotg | i can't remember the name though |
| 08:30:49 | EnterUserName | Ok Paul_The_Nerd i cant find my podcasts using the TagCache :( |
| 08:30:57 | EnterUserName | thats the problem.. if it could find it i'd be happy :) |
| 08:31:11 | | Part jdhoreotg |
| 08:31:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: Actually, they may not be indexed, depending on what the files' extensions are. |
| 08:31:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: What are their extensions on the iPod? |
| 08:31:42 | EnterUserName | I'm not to sure: S |
| 08:31:43 | EnterUserName | ;S |
| 08:31:45 | scorche | EnterUserName: as i said, you can use drag and drop and use the regular frole browser |
| 08:31:53 | scorche | errr...file |
| 08:31:56 | EnterUserName | no no i know |
| 08:31:59 | EnterUserName | but its hard to find no? |
| 08:33:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: Just use the AppleOS. Forget it. It sounds like it's more suited to what you need |
| 08:33:19 | EnterUserName | ok. Well let me test it out i have nan idea |
| 08:33:40 | EnterUserName | well i'm gunna give it a fair shot.. i do like rockbox |
| 08:33:54 | EnterUserName | for the features i'll try erasing the whole music drive and reimporting my stuff :) |
| 08:34:00 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, thanks.. it seems to fix |
| 08:34:05 | YouCeyE | selecting icatcher |
| 08:34:31 | YouCeyE | scorche, thanks for your help |
| 08:34:42 | scorche | EnterUserName: if you are going to do that, just copy the folders over with music instead of using the ipod database |
| 08:35:03 | EnterUserName | Scorche: thats my plan |
| 08:35:25 | Nimdae | hello |
| 08:35:28 | scorche | then you can make a folder named "Podcasts" and put them in there |
| 08:36:20 | scorche | YouCeyE: aye...i got a bit "distracted" after you told me that you were using the default wps =) |
| 08:37:03 | | Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) |
| 08:39:48 | YouCeyE | i am amazed with what you can do with rockbox in a small mp3 player |
| 08:39:57 | YouCeyE | kudos to the developers |
| 08:41:33 | YouCeyE | Tag cache option is disastrous for harddisk life? |
| 08:41:47 | JdGordon | ? |
| 08:41:49 | scorche | not really |
| 08:41:51 | | Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) |
| 08:41:52 | YouCeyE | its been blinking for 3 minutes and still on |
| 08:42:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | It has to scan the disk. |
| 08:42:27 | JdGordon | YouCeyE: thats expected the first time you run it |
| 08:42:34 | aliask | That's just the first run of it, after it's indexed all the files it's much less harddrive intensive. |
| 08:42:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Reading a hard disk isn't exactly 'damaging' seeing as the whole intent of HDs is data storage. |
| 08:42:40 | YouCeyE | can i do that on my pc and load a file to rockbox? |
| 08:42:46 | scorche | unfortunately, no |
| 08:42:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Incorrect |
| 08:43:01 | YouCeyE | wont it be a good option to use pc |
| 08:43:05 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: oooo..they finally made one? |
| 08:43:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: There old TagDB perl script generates it now, I believe. |
| 08:43:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm about 75% sure it got upgraded/replaced |
| 08:43:27 | scorche | ah..i didnt realize they had updated it |
| 08:43:29 | Bagder | it did |
| 08:43:38 | YouCeyE | can i use easyh10 for making the list? |
| 08:43:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | songdb.pl |
| 08:44:13 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:44:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: No, the only current utility is songdb.pl available in the source archive, it's a perl script so requires a perl installation. |
| 08:44:30 | JdGordon | morning Bagder, is it bad to move individual drivers into the target-tree seperalty, instead of everything in 1 hit? |
| 08:44:42 | YouCeyE | cool.. Paul_the_Nerd .. |
| 08:44:46 | | Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) |
| 08:44:56 | Bagder | JdGordon: no, its already being done driver by driver basically |
| 08:45:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: Support could very easily be added to EasyH10 but that would be a job for whoever maintains that project |
| 08:45:16 | YouCeyE | Paul_the_Nerd, syntax is perl songdb.pl <music dir> ? |
| 08:45:37 | JdGordon | Bagder: and it wont break unless TARGET_TREE is defined only once all the drivers have been moved, yeah? |
| 08:45:59 | JdGordon | .. because i've just moved button.c for hxxx into there but not sure if its done well... |
| 08:46:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: I honestly don't know the syntax for songdb.pl, since I've never used it. :) |
| 08:46:32 | YouCeyE | damn.. i wonder why firefox crashes on debian |
| 08:46:40 | hcs | YouCeyE: yes, but what platform do you have? you may need to include the tag to force it to output in big endian |
| 08:46:44 | hcs | *little endian |
| 08:47:06 | YouCeyE | ic.. |
| 08:48:10 | | Quit didj (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 08:48:22 | hcs | YouCeyE: and with an H10 you will need that. |
| 08:49:04 | YouCeyE | hcs, what about h120? |
| 08:49:05 | | Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 08:49:10 | YouCeyE | i have both |
| 08:49:32 | hcs | h120 is big endian,so you don't use the flag for that |
| 08:49:40 | | Join scorche [0] (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 08:49:55 | Bagder | subzero degrees today, DST is gone |
| 08:50:02 | Bagder | darn this is depressing |
| 08:50:16 | scorche | fun |
| 08:50:19 | JdGordon | my condolenses :D |
| 08:50:19 | Bagder | we're now pitch black 4pm |
| 08:50:34 | JdGordon | see... that is why DST should be during winter, not summer |
| 08:50:52 | Bagder | in fact, the DST zone would be better for us all around the year |
| 08:50:56 | scorche | it is fall and spring |
| 08:51:08 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 08:51:12 | | Quit nrh2the|apologix ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 08:51:15 | YouCeyE | any plans to make ums mode (without the trick) for h10? |
| 08:51:30 | YouCeyE | or does it need to come from iriver? |
| 08:51:53 | | Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) |
| 08:52:13 | YouCeyE | i shld say this is one of the best channels with so many nice people answering questions |
| 08:52:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: Once Rockbox has its own USB mode, it will be UMS, but that still requires further knowledge of the hardware |
| 08:52:35 | YouCeyE | i had seen rash answers from people in other channels |
| 08:52:40 | hcs | YouCeyE: you'll want: perl songdb.pl −−path /path/to/mounted/drive −−strip /path/to/mounted/drive −−littleendian |
| 08:52:48 | scorche | YouCeyE: heh...we try =) |
| 08:52:53 | YouCeyE | thanks hcs |
| 08:53:29 | YouCeyE | what is the latest bootloader for rockbox? |
| 08:53:30 | Nimdae | whoever referred me to juice for podcast receiver, thank you so much, much better than itunes :D |
| 08:53:47 | YouCeyE | i think my h120 has version 6 |
| 08:54:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | YouCeyE: That's the latest official for H120, I believe |
| 08:55:00 | YouCeyE | you guys work on rockbox as a hobby? |
| 08:55:06 | YouCeyE | any fulltimers? |
| 08:55:14 | scorche | it is a hobby for all |
| 08:55:58 | scorche | unless Bagder gets millions from the donate button and isnt telling us |
| 08:55:59 | YouCeyE | actually i am interested in doing some development but dont know where to start |
| 08:56:01 | * | scorche glares |
| 08:56:13 | scorche | YouCeyE: well, learning C would be a good start |
| 08:56:16 | YouCeyE | :) you guys deserve big donations :) |
| 08:56:30 | YouCeyE | scorche, i do C programming |
| 08:56:51 | scorche | ah...good |
| 08:57:05 | Nimdae | i'd donate if i could afford it |
| 08:57:08 | | Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") |
| 08:57:09 | Nimdae | i like paying for stuff i like |
| 08:57:24 | Nimdae | it's an expression of gratitude |
| 08:57:31 | Nimdae | it's why i still pay for music ;) |
| 08:57:42 | YouCeyE | scorche, is there a developers document for rockbox |
| 08:57:51 | YouCeyE | howtos |
| 08:58:05 | JdGordon | YouCeyE: not really.. the wiki is some help |
| 08:58:06 | scorche | well, i guess the next step would be to get aquainted with the source, write a plugin, or figure out something simple to change that you would like seen done |
| 08:58:16 | Bagder | YouCeyE: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 08:58:35 | Nimdae | get an ipod and hack it >.> |
| 08:58:38 | YouCeyE | nice |
| 08:58:39 | Nimdae | :P |
| 08:59:01 | Nimdae | ooo i found a podcast for learning italian |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:02 | lex | i found a htf podcast :po |
| 09:00:36 | Nimdae | htf? |
| 09:00:58 | lex | happy tree friends |
| 09:01:02 | Nimdae | :o |
| 09:01:13 | Nimdae | except rockbox cant play it :( |
| 09:01:17 | JdGordon | Bagder: are the 2 h1xx targets going to be put into the same folder in the target tree and any real differences will be handled by SOURCES, or will they be in 2 sepearte folders? |
| 09:01:22 | lex | yep |
| 09:01:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | JdGordon: Isn't the only difference the define for memory size? |
| 09:02:01 | Bagder | no |
| 09:02:11 | Bagder | there's a few other minor diffs |
| 09:02:16 | EnterUserName | juice? |
| 09:02:26 | Bagder | but I think it would still make sense to have them in the same dir |
| 09:02:30 | EnterUserName | nimdae your using juice? |
| 09:02:33 | * | EnterUserName uses amarok |
| 09:02:35 | EnterUserName | whats juice |
| 09:02:35 | Bagder | and just ifdef the small differences |
| 09:02:36 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 09:03:10 | Nimdae | EnterUserName: windows client |
| 09:03:13 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 09:03:17 | EnterUserName | nevermind i use amarok |
| 09:03:21 | Nimdae | heh |
| 09:03:24 | EnterUserName | for linux :) |
| 09:03:30 | Nimdae | i know ;) |
| 09:03:34 | EnterUserName | im tryign to figure out if it works better with rockbox |
| 09:03:38 | EnterUserName | or the apple firmware |
| 09:03:42 | EnterUserName | haven't made up my mind yet :) |
| 09:03:52 | Stalwart | how to make rockbox automagically switch to the next folder? |
| 09:03:57 | Nimdae | i have rythmbox |
| 09:04:00 | Stalwart | switching folders is annoying |
| 09:04:03 | Nimdae | Stalwart: playlist |
| 09:04:13 | Stalwart | Nimdae: only? |
| 09:04:22 | Bagder | Stalwart: you read the manual? |
| 09:04:28 | EnterUserName | is there a way to have a playlist view as well as a tag view? |
| 09:04:36 | scorche | Stalwart: there is also an option for it...read about it in the manual |
| 09:04:36 | Nimdae | rockbox can make playlists, make one for the root music directory and it plays all |
| 09:04:56 | Stalwart | ok |
| 09:05:00 | EnterUserName | scorche? |
| 09:05:18 | EnterUserName | Id like to group by artist and so forth as well as haev a playlist option.. is there anyway with rockbox/ |
| 09:05:24 | scorche | EnterUserName: i am assuming you mean the file browser? |
| 09:05:27 | EnterUserName | yes |
| 09:05:41 | scorche | it is either one or the other |
| 09:05:45 | scorche | not like it is hard to switch |
| 09:05:46 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 09:05:49 | EnterUserName | thats a bit frustrating |
| 09:05:56 | Nimdae | there's lots of ways to see various things |
| 09:05:56 | EnterUserName | woudl that be a suitable feature request :) |
| 09:06:10 | scorche | EnterUserName: i believe there is already one for that |
| 09:06:14 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 09:06:24 | Bagder | typically, everything you can think of has already been requested ;-) |
| 09:06:29 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 09:06:32 | EnterUserName | well add that up to the queue |
| 09:06:42 | Nimdae | patience ;) |
| 09:06:45 | EnterUserName | heh that would be a killer feature :) |
| 09:06:46 | scorche | Bagder: i want my ipod to defy gravity with rockbox on it |
| 09:06:53 | scorche | and i can use it to fly! |
| 09:06:56 | Bagder | scorche: #4313 |
| 09:06:58 | Bagder | ;-P |
| 09:07:01 | EnterUserName | umm |
| 09:07:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Everything NOT STUPID. :-P |
| 09:07:01 | Nimdae | Bagder: i want my rockbox to teleport me to work and back home |
| 09:07:15 | EnterUserName | I want IPOD to connect to SONYS database and download all there music/ |
| 09:07:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Not to say there aren't any stupid ones, but you get the idea. |
| 09:07:30 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: you wouldnt want to use your ipod to fly? |
| 09:07:51 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 09:07:53 | Nimdae | i want my ipod to pirate music for me so i don't have to work so hard at it |
| 09:07:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Nope. Bet my life on something APPLE manufactured? |
| 09:07:59 | EnterUserName | lolol |
| 09:09:01 | Nimdae | oh oh oh, i want a killer laser option too, use the wheel to adjust intensity, and the select button to fire |
| 09:09:17 | Nimdae | wtf, i close itunes and it opened back up |
| 09:09:22 | Nimdae | and again |
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| 09:10:29 | Bagder | http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/COLUMN/20060908/247572/ <= japanese article on Rockbox |
| 09:10:30 | itunes | I can't let you do that Dave... |
| 09:10:37 | Bagder | I think |
| 09:10:42 | | Nick itunes is now known as scorche (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 09:10:54 | Nimdae | wtf |
| 09:10:59 | Nimdae | itunes won't stay closed |
| 09:11:07 | * | Nimdae uninstalls |
| 09:11:58 | * | scorche tried too hard for that joke |
| 09:14:23 | EnterUserName | hey |
| 09:14:25 | EnterUserName | whos dave :) |
| 09:15:24 | scorche | EnterUserName: it was a joke stemming from 2001: A Space Oddesey |
| 09:15:36 | scorche | Odyssey.. |
| 09:15:44 | andrewmel | open the ipod bay doors hal |
| 09:16:03 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 09:16:08 | EnterUserName | i think i heard that before |
| 09:16:17 | * | EnterUserName sighs.. |
| 09:16:23 | EnterUserName | i'm glad i only have 4 gigs to worry about :) |
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| 09:23:16 | EnterUserName | hey |
| 09:23:21 | EnterUserName | how is the battery life now on the ipod |
| 09:23:28 | EnterUserName | using rockbox better? |
| 09:23:33 | scorche | not yet |
| 09:23:37 | EnterUserName | in the faq it mentions it goes fairly quickly? |
| 09:23:38 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 09:23:44 | EnterUserName | so am i looking at 4-5 hours? |
| 09:23:47 | EnterUserName | instead of 10 |
| 09:23:50 | scorche | for which device? |
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| 09:23:52 | EnterUserName | Nano |
| 09:24:24 | * | EnterUserName ponders. The ipod nano... |
| 09:24:37 | scorche | 6 maybe more...not sure...never did a benchmark with mine |
| 09:24:55 | EnterUserName | oh .. i hope its long enuff for my daily stuff :p |
| 09:24:59 | daurn|laptop | EnterUserName: its not a pico |
| 09:25:11 | | Part andrewmel |
| 09:25:25 | scorche | or even a micro |
| 09:25:44 | daurn|laptop | at least its not exo |
| 09:25:51 | scorche | true |
| 09:26:21 | EnterUserName | scorche: do you use rockbox on your nano usually |
| 09:26:25 | EnterUserName | or apple |
| 09:26:27 | daurn|laptop | wish it was yocto ;) |
| 09:26:28 | EnterUserName | <im just curious) |
| 09:26:39 | scorche | EnterUserName: i deleted the apple firmware |
| 09:26:43 | EnterUserName | wow |
| 09:26:44 | daurn|laptop | but, that probably stores an eigth of a bit ;) |
| 09:27:01 | EnterUserName | scorche: where can i find the rockbox philosophy :) |
| 09:27:14 | daurn|laptop | EnterUserName: guess |
| 09:27:19 | EnterUserName | scorche: where you using flacs or other type of files or where the wiki he: ) |
| 09:27:28 | EnterUserName | scorche: where you using flacs or just mp3s |
| 09:27:31 | EnterUserName | with your nano |
| 09:27:32 | scorche | i was just saying as compared to IPL |
| 09:27:43 | scorche | i generally use mp3, flag, and ogg |
| 09:27:47 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 09:27:48 | scorche | flac |
| 09:28:00 | EnterUserName | no im just wondering cuz i know some of them take more cpu cycles |
| 09:28:15 | EnterUserName | so battery length may vary depending on format no? |
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| 09:29:14 | scorche | correct |
| 09:30:07 | * | scorche remembered he was about to watch a movie a couple hours ago |
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| 09:33:13 | jdhoreotg | i been wondering...is Rockbox based off a Linux-based kernel? |
| 09:33:17 | scorche | it isnt |
| 09:33:23 | jdhoreotg | ahh |
| 09:33:27 | jdhoreotg | dammit |
| 09:33:36 | scorche | what is wrong with that? |
| 09:33:48 | jdhoreotg | i wanted to get wifi on my iPod |
| 09:33:49 | EnterUserName | i thought it was based off clinux? |
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| 09:34:08 | scorche | EnterUserName: that would be the ipodlinux project |
| 09:34:08 | jdhoreotg | i know iPod Linux is based off of uClinux |
| 09:34:34 | Bagder | rockbox is built around its own kernel |
| 09:34:50 | jdhoreotg | cool...i guess... |
| 09:35:12 | Bagder | it is |
| 09:35:25 | Bagder | Rockbox is a lot smaller and leaner than linux ever gets |
| 09:35:26 | scorche | smaller and faster as well =) |
| 09:36:00 | jdhoreotg | you'd be surprised |
| 09:36:30 | jdhoreotg | minix: fits on a 1.44MB floppy...boots in under a second |
| 09:36:46 | jdhoreotg | i had it running on an old 33mhz box i had somewhere |
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| 09:36:56 | Bagder | and rockbox is even smaller and faster than so |
| 09:37:04 | jdhoreotg | no and no |
| 09:37:28 | Bagder | you're not doing the correct comparison then |
| 09:37:52 | jdhoreotg | it's 4MB without additional fonts (or AT LEAST 2MB) and it takes over a second to bot on my iPod color with i think a 60mhz processor |
| 09:37:57 | jdhoreotg | *boot |
| 09:38:07 | scorche | we were talking about the kernel |
| 09:38:10 | Bagder | again, that's not the proper comparison with your minix example |
| 09:38:19 | jdhoreotg | oh |
| 09:38:23 | Bagder | rockbox has heaps of plugins |
| 09:38:54 | Bagder | and rockbox has to spinup the disk, which your PC didn't |
| 09:38:55 | jdhoreotg | minix sorta does too...it's not just a kernel, it's bash and a few external applications as well |
| 09:39:04 | * | JdGordon just realised how much work is needed to move a target to the target tree fully :'( |
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| 09:39:34 | Bagder | anyway, I won't bother |
| 09:39:50 | jdhoreotg | me neither |
| 09:39:55 | jdhoreotg | i don't want to argue |
| 09:40:00 | jdhoreotg | i love you guys |
| 09:42:01 | Nimdae | minix is a general purpose OS, should it be loaded with functionality similar to rockbox, it would probably be slower |
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| 09:42:35 | Nimdae | whereas rockbox is a very specific OS ready to do certain tasks and each build is built for the hardware it runs on |
| 09:42:48 | jdhoreotg | this is true... |
| 09:42:55 | Nimdae | both are very different monsters though |
| 09:44:37 | Nimdae | it's just like your gpu is more powerful than your cpu, but your gpu is designed with specific functionality but the cpu is for general functionality, but as you can see, they can't be compared |
| 09:45:00 | Nimdae | i said but way too much |
| 09:45:09 | Nimdae | i must be sleepy |
| 09:45:16 | jdhoreotg | heh |
| 09:45:57 | Nimdae | anyway, yeah |
| 09:46:36 | Nimdae | it would figure, lots of commits, i update the rbclient environment, and no commits since |
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| 09:48:04 | daurn|laptop | but now they say that gpus could be more suited to specific, general tasks better than a cpu |
| 09:48:21 | jdhoreotg | i know |
| 09:48:30 | daurn|laptop | (like, general dna profiling operations) |
| 09:48:45 | Nimdae | depends on the type of calculations being performed |
| 09:49:01 | dan_a_afk | Does anyone know if it would be normal to have to fake a partition table on flash disks? I don't seem to be getting any errors from disk_partinfo(), but I'm not seeing any partitions on the Sansa :( |
| 09:49:14 | jdhoreotg | i have an app installed called Magic Bullet that lets me off load some video rendering to the GPU for it to go faster than just using the CPU...i love it...it's so useful |
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| 09:49:20 | JdGordon | Bagder: shuoldnt all the remote code in the x5(example) target tree be ifdefed in case people want to build a custom build without it? |
| 09:49:43 | Nimdae | magic bullet, eh |
| 09:49:44 | Bagder | perhaps, but let's leave that to when someone actually wants it |
| 09:49:55 | jdhoreotg | yup |
| 09:50:11 | jdhoreotg | i <3 Magic Bullet |
| 09:50:13 | Nimdae | i know some gpus support video rendering in hardware |
| 09:50:18 | JdGordon | should i make sure that check is in the hxxx trees? or not bother |
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| 09:50:31 | Nimdae | but vendors turn it off or something |
| 09:50:52 | jdhoreotg | i dunno |
| 09:51:15 | Nimdae | apparently magic bullet is also a blender |
| 09:51:23 | Nimdae | and a record label |
| 09:51:47 | jdhoreotg | i didn't know about the record label but i have one of the blenders |
| 09:51:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:51:58 | jdhoreotg | that blender kicks ass too |
| 09:52:08 | Nimdae | lol |
| 09:52:56 | Nimdae | the only software i find relating to video is video editing |
| 09:53:10 | jdhoreotg | ok, i've had a very productive day and now i think i'm going to bed...god night, all |
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| 09:53:27 | Nimdae | nite |
| 09:53:45 | bluebrother | morning |
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| 10:00:19 | dave | hey all |
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| 10:00:27 | EnterUserName | is there a program to make your m3us |
| 10:00:29 | EnterUserName | alot easier? |
| 10:00:48 | bluebrother | another program? |
| 10:00:58 | EnterUserName | shrug ya if i have many files |
| 10:01:10 | EnterUserName | i dont want to have to type so much |
| 10:01:12 | bluebrother | PC media players usually generate m3u. E.g. winamp |
| 10:01:28 | EnterUserName | hrm.. im using amarok but its doing the wrong directory .. i ended using vi |
| 10:01:32 | EnterUserName | and use 1,$s/..blah/ |
| 10:01:42 | bluebrother | you just need to make sure the paths are absolute |
| 10:02:05 | bluebrother | sure, as your files will be in /media/foo/bar and on the player they are in /bar |
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| 10:02:50 | bluebrother | so in that case I'd suggest writing a small script that corrects the path prefixes. |
| 10:03:18 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 10:03:18 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 10:03:22 | EnterUserName | ya vi i can do that too |
| 10:03:27 | EnterUserName | thats what i did.. |
| 10:03:31 | EnterUserName | or use a script with sed. |
| 10:03:53 | bluebrother | you can just do it batch like with sed. |
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| 10:16:13 | Soap | I thought rockbox would decimate your m3u paths. |
| 10:16:34 | Soap | it would look in /media/foo/bar first, then /foo/bar, then in /ba |
| 10:16:38 | scorche | just the drive letter i believe |
| 10:16:42 | scorche | but i am not sure |
| 10:17:10 | * | scorche points at Bagder |
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| 10:17:26 | Bagder | it does prefix stripping |
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| 10:17:43 | * | aliask is not happy |
| 10:17:54 | aliask | Got my H300 back from lending it to a friend, and it's broken. |
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| 10:18:58 | Nimdae | ouch |
| 10:19:24 | bluebrother | Bagder, the "consider upgrading make" is counted as error on the build table. Shouldn't this get treated as warning? |
| 10:19:57 | Nimdae | heh, i upgraded make |
| 10:20:10 | Nimdae | i hope |
| 10:20:27 | mizerydearia | humm, not necessarily rockbox-related, but I am looking for a nice pmp (audio&video) that has a linux-based environment and 60-250+gb storage capacity. I've been researching for products available for purchase in the US. Anyone have any tips/pointers? ^^ |
| 10:21:09 | Nimdae | 250gb? |
| 10:21:13 | mizerydearia | perhapas a rockbox-supported pmp is a good start? |
| 10:21:25 | Nimdae | gonna strap a hd to that thing? |
| 10:21:28 | mizerydearia | humm, I would build my own if I could ^^ 250+gb hard drives are cheap |
| 10:21:58 | amiconn | morning |
| 10:22:23 | mizerydearia | The 160gb Archos 504 seems really nice ^^ |
| 10:22:30 | mizerydearia | but I can't find availability in the US |
| 10:22:56 | amiconn | Bagder: Why does the build colouring script count the warning output as an error? Can that be fixed, or should I remove the warning? |
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| 10:24:07 | JdGordon | morning amiconn, you were talking this morning about moving button.c to target tree? FS #6257 |
| 10:24:19 | amiconn | Atm 4 of 13 build servers have an old make which triggers the warning |
| 10:24:49 | Nimdae | old? |
| 10:25:17 | Nimdae | 3.80 is the latest provided by redhat atm, and 3.81 appears to be the latest release, not THAT old ;) |
| 10:26:48 | Bagder | amiconn: well, it looks like an error to the script |
| 10:27:20 | amiconn | What decides whether the output is an error? |
| 10:27:50 | amiconn | ARe these scripts open, and available somewhere? |
| 10:27:57 | Bagder | /^([^:]*):(\d+):/ |
| 10:28:09 | amiconn | ugh |
| 10:28:19 | scorche | gotta love perl... |
| 10:28:24 | * | scorche coughs |
| 10:28:40 | Bagder | well, that's more regex than perl |
| 10:29:03 | Bagder | I committed the showlog.cgi script now to the www cvs module |
| 10:29:12 | mizerydearia | Anyone have any recommendations for a great pmp available in the states? ^^ |
| 10:29:19 | Bagder | (using zagor's user ;-) |
| 10:29:21 | mizerydearia | or what is the best solution available? |
| 10:29:44 | scorche | i believe there is a saying...if you were to put an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite amount of keyboards, st some point, one will create C code....every other one would write perl |
| 10:29:47 | scorche | =) |
| 10:30:35 | Bagder | warnings match this: /^([^:]*):(\d*):.*warning:/ |
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| 10:31:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: Thanks, this almost looks like it should. |
| 10:31:09 | Bagder | as that's how gcc displays them |
| 10:31:24 | amiconn | Bagder: Does it matter whether the output appears on stout or stderr? |
| 10:31:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: cool, im working on mooving the whole h300 tree now, should i commit the buttons or wait till the rets is done? |
| 10:31:53 | Bagder | amiconn: I'm quite sure there's no difference |
| 10:32:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: Basically, you shouldn't need to explicitly point to button-target.h. The target tree paths should be part of the include dirs even if TARGET_TREE isn't defined |
| 10:32:54 | amiconn | If not, this is an error in the build system, imho |
| 10:33:18 | JdGordon | ok, yeah, i had to add it to configure to get it working with the h300 |
| 10:33:26 | amiconn | Bagder: I can make the warning appear on stderr without the prefix with a somewhat esoteric hack |
| 10:33:32 | amiconn | Would that help? |
| 10:33:45 | Bagder | yes, it would prevent it from being seen as an error |
| 10:34:09 | amiconn | The hack is to use $(shell echo >&2 "blahblah") |
| 10:34:20 | amiconn | ...instead of $(warning) |
| 10:34:26 | Bagder | its the "Makefile:11" thing that makes it trigger the error matcher |
| 10:34:31 | amiconn | ah |
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| 10:36:41 | Bagder | I'll go away now, back later tonight |
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| 10:47:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: I basically want the buttons in target tree in order to add the same cpu saving as on X5 when no button is pressed. So I would appreciate to have h300 buttons in target tree now. |
| 10:48:19 | JdGordon | ok, if you can wait 10min I should be able to commit the whole h300 tree.. |
| 10:48:54 | amiconn | Of course it would be nice to add the target include tree dirs for all targets. Then you don't need to hack around the build system... |
| 10:49:17 | amiconn | Of course, if you convert the whole h300 tree, then you just need to #define TARGET_TREE |
| 10:49:39 | * | amiconn can't find where these dirs are added |
| 10:49:46 | JdGordon | yup, cept its sort of still needed for the h1xx |
| 10:49:52 | JdGordon | i tinhk its in the configure script |
| 10:50:19 | markun | amiconn: Linus has been working on moving the irivers to target tree, but I don't know what the status is |
| 10:50:20 | amiconn | TARGET_INC is set up by the configure script, but somewhere this must be added to INCLUDE |
| 10:50:48 | JdGordon | t_cpu, t_manufacturer, t_model is missing for the targets which arnt in the tree |
| 10:51:11 | JdGordon | adding them to h300 and re-configureing made it work |
| 10:51:38 | amiconn | Hmm. I guess defining these will also add #define TARGET_TREE ? |
| 10:51:52 | JdGordon | no, that gets addied in config-target.h |
| 10:52:20 | amiconn | Ah, so we just need to add those t_ variables in configure |
| 10:52:30 | JdGordon | I tihnk so |
| 10:52:43 | amiconn | Goodie. |
| 10:53:04 | JdGordon | hmm.. this is gonna take more work, so ill do the buttons for ya now |
| 10:53:09 | amiconn | When you moved the iriver button code, I'll probably do the same for the archos button code |
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| 10:53:38 | JdGordon | i didnt touch archos because i wasnt sure how you wanted the folders arranged/named |
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| 10:56:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yes, that's in fact the main problem with archos and target tree |
| 10:57:17 | amiconn | E.g. Ondio FM and Ondio SP are so similar that I think both should get the same target tree dir. |
| 10:57:32 | amiconn | However, this will leave some ifdefing in the target tree code |
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| 10:57:46 | * | amiconn would like to hear Linus' opinion on that |
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| 10:58:39 | amiconn | JdGordon: For h1x0, we also have 2 targets with minor differences which should get a single target dir |
| 10:58:59 | amiconn | (h100 and h120, with only 2 minor hw differences) |
| 10:59:04 | JdGordon | yeah, i asked Bagder about that a while ago and he said the same thing |
| 10:59:22 | markun | amiconn: the ATA defines for the PP5002 and PP5020 are now both in arm/ata-target.h |
| 10:59:30 | markun | should I move it to the .c files? |
| 10:59:31 | amiconn | It's only the RAM size and the s/pdif power enable signal polarity |
| 10:59:49 | markun | to get rid of the #ifdef |
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| 11:00:15 | amiconn | Hrrrrm! |
| 11:00:29 | amiconn | Why does the build system not pick up my configure change!+ |
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| 11:01:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: fixing configure indeed means we dont need to fully path the button-target.h file |
| 11:01:17 | JdGordon | so ill commit it |
| 11:02:08 | amiconn | You may need to 'cvs up' before, as I committed a configure change shortly before |
| 11:02:18 | * | jhMikeS did #ifdef'ing in the target tree for the pcf50606 ... now he's in serious doodoo ? |
| 11:02:25 | amiconn | Shouldn't interfere with the t_ stuff |
| 11:03:07 | JdGordon | can i leave i unused variable in button.c so i dont add extra #ifdefs? |
| 11:03:53 | amiconn | markun: If those defines are not needed outside the ata-pp*.c, they should go into these .c files |
| 11:04:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: please don't |
| 11:04:20 | amiconn | ..leave the usused variable |
| 11:04:38 | amiconn | I guess this #ifdef will be temporary |
| 11:05:01 | JdGordon | bah, ok |
| 11:05:02 | amiconn | Hmpf, that probably was clear as mud |
| 11:06:09 | JdGordon | doesnt matter... clean build, cvs up then commit |
| 11:06:17 | JdGordon | better just double check it ont he target first :p |
| 11:06:53 | markun | amiconn: unfortunately they are also used by ata.c |
| 11:07:13 | JdGordon | why is -<target> added to the filenames int he target tree? seems a bit silly to me :p |
| 11:07:30 | Bagder | JdGordon: for easier grepping and visualizing when loaded into editors etc |
| 11:07:41 | JdGordon | ok, fair enough |
| 11:07:44 | Bagder | have 22 files using the same name can become confusing |
| 11:08:15 | Bagder | but it isn't a requirement |
| 11:08:27 | scorche | it is nice though |
| 11:09:14 | jhMikeS | is #ifdef'ing in the target tree really so bad if 99.9%+ of the code is common to everything below it? |
| 11:09:35 | Bagder | I don't think we can avoid #ifdefing completely, even in the target tree |
| 11:10:11 | jhMikeS | I'd have to duplicate large amounts of code just to avoid that. Bloats the repository too much imo. |
| 11:10:28 | Bagder | I agree |
| 11:10:29 | amiconn | So there will be 4 target dirs in sh/archos target tree |
| 11:10:39 | amiconn | player, recorder, fmv2 and ondio |
| 11:10:54 | Bagder | sounds good |
| 11:11:35 | amiconn | I wonder whether I should move the complete ata_mmc stuff |
| 11:11:48 | amiconn | There's no other target using mmc in spi mode |
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| 11:12:06 | enterusername | hey all |
| 11:12:11 | enterusername | hey all |
| 11:12:12 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm making the adc_scan actually wait for the conversion result to be ready or is the debounce scheme faster? |
| 11:12:16 | Bagder | the ata_mmc might be interesting for the sansa port |
| 11:12:18 | enterusername | Initilize now doesnt appear to be clearing my database |
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| 11:12:21 | enterusername | from old songs that i had before are stilla ppearing |
| 11:12:52 | enterusername | how do i clear the database |
| 11:12:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The adc is always ready because the i2c transfer takes enough time. See the pcf datasheet |
| 11:12:56 | JdGordon | grr... cvs and local trees are annoying |
| 11:13:36 | jhMikeS | ok...then what the heck is it needed for? |
| 11:13:54 | amiconn | The debounce is necessary because the buttons are so mushy that the signal fluctuates a lot, and not doing the debounce often gives false button reads |
| 11:14:07 | amiconn | The worst target here is the h300 |
| 11:14:12 | enterusername | hey all how do i clear the music database with tag cache initlize now doesnt appear to be working |
| 11:14:36 | amiconn | Sometimes I still get wrong button readings even with all the debouncing |
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| 11:18:28 | Slasheri | enterusername: remove /.rockbox/tagcache_*.tcd and try initialize it again |
| 11:18:33 | jhMikeS | Says it takes 16uS for 8-bit mode. |
| 11:19:23 | dan_a | Bagder: I'm using ata_mmc as a template for the Sansa work, but we use SD mode not SPI. They are fairly different. |
| 11:19:50 | enterusername | nanoblue works cool too bad the font needs to be small brb |
| 11:21:25 | enterusername | can't wait to try flacs :) |
| 11:22:32 | enterusername | U really dont need to use the tag cache if you have your directory structure nicely too |
| 11:23:03 | JdGordon | why wont cvs create the h100 target folder? i did cvsdo add h100 from the iriver folder, but its not showing up in the log showing which files are going to be commited |
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| 11:26:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, its finnaly online |
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| 11:27:11 | * | JdGordon hopes it didnt stuff up |
| 11:30:09 | JdGordon | crap |
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| 11:34:39 | JdGordon | woot! personal high score :p |
| 11:35:01 | | Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 11:35:40 | JdGordon | Bagder: does the build system not check for new commits if a build is going? |
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| 11:36:00 | dpro | hi |
| 11:36:56 | daurn|laptop | yo |
| 11:37:01 | JdGordon | amiconn: the button code is in cvs and working, but the build table is wrong untill someone does another commit |
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| 11:37:19 | | Join enterusername [0] (n=root@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) |
| 11:37:27 | enterusername | is it possible that the firmware is making my ipod charge too much |
| 11:37:35 | scorche | no |
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| 11:37:48 | enterusername | weird.. its giving me battery problems. |
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| 11:38:18 | scorche | rockbox (atm), uses the apple disk mode for transfers |
| 11:38:37 | enterusername | it gave me a battery error when i disconnected it |
| 11:38:41 | enterusername | but it appears to be fine now |
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| 11:40:30 | aliask | Anybody got any 1.8" drives kicking around collecting dust? *hopeful smile* |
| 11:40:57 | daurn|laptop | aliask: i want it first :P |
| 11:41:18 | amiconn | bbl |
| 11:41:19 | | Quit amiconn (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") |
| 11:41:27 | JdGordon | aliask: daurn|laptop: the 3 of us should find the aussie distributor and rob them or something :p :D |
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| 11:42:19 | aliask | Hah. I just need mine to make an ipod functional |
| 11:42:31 | aliask | So its not really a NEED thing |
| 11:42:45 | enterusername | well this is nice...rockbox shows the mp3 bit rate. |
| 11:42:57 | daurn|laptop | "i just need ..." "so i don't need it" |
| 11:43:01 | JdGordon | does anyone here have the h100? |
| 11:43:34 | aliask | I'm getting one! (I bet that doesn't help) |
| 11:43:52 | enterusername | hey i cant view the fire while listening to music :p |
| 11:43:57 | JdGordon | :) not really, unless your getting it tonight |
| 11:44:15 | aliask | Well, you live close to him, but he can't find it at the moment anyway... |
| 11:44:41 | enterusername | lol ipods cpu can not handle the nice pictures while listening tomusc:( |
| 11:44:43 | aliask | enterusername: That's because it uses heaps of CPU, and it's too busy drawing the fire to do the music |
| 11:44:51 | enterusername | ya i noticed :) |
| 11:45:21 | aliask | Wonder if we'll ever get some kind of "visualiser" |
| 11:45:25 | enterusername | darn nanos they need to make it better |
| 11:45:51 | enterusername | at least i can play bubbles thats a nice game :p |
| 11:45:55 | scorche` | aliask: if we do, using it will be a nice large cut of battery =P |
| 11:46:22 | scorche` | enterusername: they did...the new nanos are pretty beefy CPU wise |
| 11:46:29 | enterusername | really |
| 11:46:33 | enterusername | too bad i cant afford the new nanos :( |
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| 11:46:43 | aliask | And too bad rockbox won't work on them. |
| 11:46:50 | scorche | it isnt worth it yet anyway...no rockbox yet |
| 11:47:02 | enterusername | oh hrm |
| 11:47:19 | enterusername | I figured a way around the playlist and tagcache |
| 11:47:26 | enterusername | i just organize the directory structure |
| 11:47:28 | enterusername | so i can have both.. |
| 11:47:39 | scorche | yeah...that is what i suggested to you |
| 11:47:46 | enterusername | oh :) |
| 11:48:23 | enterusername | im getting a hang of this interface now.. |
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| 11:49:37 | enterusername | so if i were to buy an mp3 player (new one) which one woudl you all suggest |
| 11:50:07 | scorche | depends what you would want in an mp3 player |
| 11:50:26 | enterusername | um size and weight |
| 11:50:44 | enterusername | to be light something similiar to my 4 gig ipod ;) |
| 11:52:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:52:15 | daurn|laptop | i want a free mp3 player |
| 11:52:22 | daurn|laptop | any1 caring to buy me one? |
| 11:52:22 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 11:52:39 | scorche | i got my nano for free =) |
| 11:52:48 | enterusername | lol |
| 11:52:54 | enterusername | howd you manage that scorche? |
| 11:52:58 | daurn|laptop | enterusername: how much bigger can it be? |
| 11:53:06 | daurn|laptop | enterusername: does it have to have rockbox? |
| 11:53:16 | scorche | i will tell you when it becomes storytime again...it isnt right now... |
| 11:53:19 | daurn|laptop | scorche: i could steal one as well - but i don't like ipods |
| 11:53:34 | enterusername | No.. U guys should try using Zen :) |
| 11:53:37 | scorche | ha...right...like i would steal one |
| 11:53:38 | enterusername | porting zen to rockbox |
| 11:53:53 | enterusername | i saw a Zen Creative 8 gig its pretty nice |
| 11:54:04 | enterusername | so whats everyone's fav here? |
| 11:54:09 | daurn|laptop | enterusername: its dm320, that means likelyhood of port == 1% |
| 11:54:25 | enterusername | oh ok |
| 11:54:39 | enterusername | so whats everyoens favorite mp3 player? |
| 11:54:42 | daurn|laptop | enterusername: until this last 3 months, archos offerings. cept newest ones are crap |
| 11:54:53 | daurn|laptop | well, not crap, but nothing i would want |
| 11:55:37 | enterusername | hmm |
| 11:55:41 | enterusername | they dont have color screens though? |
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| 11:56:14 | enterusername | not that u need them :p |
| 11:56:31 | daurn|laptop | ? |
| 11:56:58 | enterusername | im looking on the site on what you guys support |
| 11:57:02 | enterusername | and i dont see them with color screens |
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| 11:57:21 | daurn|laptop | heh, rockbox only supports OLD OLD archoses |
| 11:57:27 | daurn|laptop | newer ones don't have rockbox |
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| 11:57:36 | enterusername | oh ok |
| 11:57:45 | enterusername | im wondering if thats being worked on.. |
| 11:57:50 | daurn|laptop | but, everything cept the newest lineup have been the most awesome players ever |
| 11:57:57 | daurn|laptop | enterusername: i was... but i quit |
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| 11:58:05 | enterusername | how come? |
| 11:58:12 | daurn|laptop | i don't have the time |
| 11:58:26 | enterusername | oh understandable |
| 11:58:32 | daurn|laptop | also, they are (again) dm320 - it takes some illegel know-how to get sound output |
| 11:58:42 | enterusername | oh |
| 11:58:54 | enterusername | liek zen :( |
| 11:58:59 | daurn|laptop | yep |
| 11:59:00 | enterusername | howd you guys do nano |
| 11:59:19 | enterusername | is the new nano that too :p |
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| 12:00:19 | enterusername | ?? |
| 12:00:29 | enterusername | Daurn: Is most mp3 players that now? |
| 12:01:29 | markun | enterusername: is most mp3 players what? |
| 12:01:36 | enterusername | the dm320 chipset |
| 12:01:38 | markun | no |
| 12:01:41 | enterusername | oh ok |
| 12:01:55 | enterusername | the new ones.. |
| 12:02:24 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsDM320 |
| 12:02:27 | enterusername | whats this firmware coded in assembly? |
| 12:02:32 | markun | ehh |
| 12:02:40 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 12:03:48 | enterusername | oh ok.. Do you just get a compiler working on it and then do c source code? |
| 12:04:11 | scorche | ...if only |
| 12:04:16 | enterusername | lol :p |
| 12:04:29 | enterusername | oh ok |
| 12:04:39 | enterusername | How do you guys program it? |
| 12:06:11 | daurn|laptop | program what? |
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| 12:06:52 | SmilinBob | ? |
| 12:06:54 | enterusername | how do you create the firmware on these mp3 players |
| 12:06:55 | | Quit SmilinBob (Client Quit) |
| 12:07:27 | daurn|laptop | which? |
| 12:07:34 | enterusername | the nano.... |
| 12:07:35 | enterusername | iriver.. |
| 12:07:36 | scorche | it differs for each target |
| 12:07:43 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort |
| 12:07:49 | scorche | that will give you a basic idea |
| 12:10:19 | daurn|laptop | . |
| 12:10:41 | enterusername | pretty intensiver |
| 12:10:46 | enterusername | lol im going to bed. its 6am.. |
| 12:10:47 | enterusername | :) |
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| 12:19:26 | Bagder | JdGordon: I don't think you should nick the copyright of those new files |
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| 12:20:09 | Bagder | the original ones from where you got the snippets to create the files should be used |
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| 12:20:20 | JdGordon | Bagder: ok, i havnt done it to any other files, so i wont do it again |
| 12:20:37 | Bagder | no big deal, just mentioning it |
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| 12:21:04 | JdGordon | HAVE_SERIAL cant be defined for the the h300 yeah? |
| 12:21:19 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 12:21:29 | JdGordon | k |
| 12:22:13 | bluebrother | I remember LinusN did something with serial on the h100 some time ago |
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| 12:30:57 | JdGordon | power.c is confusing :p |
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| 12:32:09 | * | jhMikeS knows all about the spaghetti knots of power code |
| 12:32:23 | daurn|laptop | mmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:32:26 | daurn|laptop | spag |
| 12:33:08 | daurn|laptop | any1 wanna send me a rockboxable device? |
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| 12:33:53 | * | JdGordon needs a better editor which can fold #ifs properly |
| 12:34:07 | Bagder | emacs! |
| 12:34:08 | Bagder | :-) |
| 12:34:12 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 12:34:22 | daurn|laptop | ew |
| 12:34:26 | JdGordon | kate and kdevelop both dont :'( |
| 12:34:30 | daurn|laptop | scite is the best *nix editor |
| 12:36:22 | Bagder | emacs has a rather nifty ifdef-mode |
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| 12:36:53 | Bagder | that can show the file according what defines you say are defined |
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| 12:38:57 | daurn|laptop | worse editor: elvis |
| 12:40:15 | jhMikeS | scite? *lol* |
| 12:41:24 | JdGordon | woohoo! h300 compiles fine in the target tree |
| 12:41:29 | jhMikeS | sounds like skite = scat |
| 12:41:37 | JdGordon | now to test and makes rue nothing was broken :p |
| 12:41:57 | jhMikeS | power soup is better |
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| 12:42:42 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: What are you targeting in general? Key and power stuff? |
| 12:43:38 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: everything which stops it from compiling |
| 12:43:58 | JdGordon | so atm its ata, adc, backlight, systems, power, usb |
| 12:45:05 | JdGordon | everything seems to be working |
| 12:45:07 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: you like doing massive reworkings =:-) |
| 12:45:21 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: much more fun than maintenance |
| 12:46:09 | jhMikeS | Don't message pcm_playback.c though...I've already started that |
| 12:46:14 | jhMikeS | mess even |
| 12:46:26 | JdGordon | it didnt complain so i havnt touched it |
| 12:47:36 | JdGordon | Bagder: the h1x0 and h3x0 targets both use the same ata file, is coldfire/iriver/ata-hxxx.c a reasonable filename? |
| 12:47:57 | jhMikeS | how bout ata-iriver.c ? |
| 12:48:18 | JdGordon | hmm.. i guess that is nicer isnt it :p |
| 12:48:24 | jhMikeS | oh right there's that ifp-7xx thing |
| 12:48:38 | JdGordon | is that one under coldfire? |
| 12:49:05 | Bagder | no, the ifp-7xx is arm |
| 12:49:20 | JdGordon | so -iriver would be best? |
| 12:50:13 | jhMikeS | I did pcm-coldfire.c for playback and recording DMA and it should interface with only generic functions in pcm_playback.c and pcm_record.c |
| 12:51:12 | jhMikeS | All targets just have to fill in a few small apis |
| 12:53:52 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Sounds good to me. |
| 12:54:45 | jhMikeS | Why'd stuff stop compiling anyway? |
| 12:55:27 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: I already fill-in the functions for the iPods. Just need to target tree them but I'll wait on that. |
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| 13:01:42 | * | dan_a curses GCC optimisations |
| 13:02:14 | dan_a | I've found out why I can't read the partition table on the Sansa |
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| 13:06:52 | dan_a | ...but I don't know a clean way to make it work |
| 13:06:56 | JdGordon | bloody hell cvs is giving me the shits tonight! |
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| 13:49:02 | markun | Bagder: I want to remove a file from the wiki but I get a 'access denied' http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/attach/Main/GigabeatInfo?filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams.pdf&revInfo=1 |
| 13:49:10 | linuxstb | dan_a: What's the partition table problem? Does the Sansa even have a partition table? |
| 13:49:27 | linuxstb | markun: I get the same when trying to do something with attachments... |
| 13:50:16 | dan_a | linuxstb: I think it does - if I read the raw data on the disk, there's a string about an invalid partition table. |
| 13:51:07 | dan_a | The problem is that if I use a function similar to copy_read_sectors (from ata.c) the data doesn't get copied unless I do something with it in that function |
| 13:52:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:52:06 | linuxstb | BTW, does anyone know of any other players using the PP5024? |
| 13:52:19 | dan_a | That suggests to me that something should be set as volatile and isn't being, but this is at the limit of my understanding |
| 13:53:54 | linuxstb | Have you tried looking at the assembler gcc generates both with and without using the data? |
| 13:53:59 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 13:54:20 | * | amiconn has to introduce an #ifdef in the brand-new iriver/button-target.h |
| 13:54:22 | dan_a | linuxstb: Not yet |
| 13:54:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: aww.. why? |
| 13:55:01 | amiconn | H300 needs 2 additional functions in button-h300.c which need to be accessed from the outside |
| 13:56:10 | amiconn | I think it's not a big proble |
| 13:56:12 | amiconn | m |
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| 13:59:49 | Lear | Nice. "Press stop to continue". :) |
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| 14:01:01 | jhMikeS | Lear: *lol* nice going to sleep present for me :) |
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| 14:05:04 | blue_lizard | if i want to write some code for rockbox |
| 14:05:22 | blue_lizard | how do i get informations about how many colums and rows the device has? |
| 14:05:42 | blue_lizard | that depends on the used font too |
| 14:05:47 | Lear | Hrm, anyone who knows why the cvs view of a file is partially crap in Firefox? Bad CSS, Firefox bug or what? |
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| 14:06:39 | amiconn | Lear: In what way? Example? |
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| 14:07:01 | * | amiconn uses firefox almost exclusively, and didn't find any problems with cvs view |
| 14:07:11 | * | linuxstb too |
| 14:07:16 | Lear | Take a long enough file (like a .lang file) and scroll down a bit. Everything is pitch black. |
| 14:07:39 | amiconn | Ah, that one |
| 14:07:59 | amiconn | It's a general firefox problem with long pages |
| 14:08:38 | linuxstb | english.lang looks fine to me... |
| 14:09:05 | dan_a | I get the problem (FF2 on Windows) |
| 14:09:14 | linuxstb | v1.5.0.1 under Linux |
| 14:09:37 | linuxstb | So it's a Windows issue? |
| 14:10:14 | Lear | Only seen it on rockbox.org, I think... |
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| 14:14:43 | aliask | And disabling CSS makes it work |
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| 14:15:44 | amiconn | I've seen 2 different effects in firefox with long pages. Either the page becomes black, or it becomes solid background colour |
| 14:16:22 | amiconn | Behaviour became better with newer firefox versions, but it's still not completely fixed |
| 14:16:30 | amiconn | 1.5.0.7 on winxp here |
| 14:16:38 | blue_lizard | give me a link i have ff 2.0 on linux |
| 14:17:50 | amiconn | Ah, firefox 2 is finally out... |
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| 14:20:36 | * | Lear wonders how dithering should be translated... |
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| 14:29:21 | * | amiconn asked babelfish the same question for the german translation. Very funny result... |
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| 14:30:44 | preglow | dithering is a nightmare to translate |
| 14:30:58 | preglow | i neglected to update the norwegian translation on purpose, heh |
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| 14:32:05 | Lear | Looked at the Audacity translation, but that didn't help much... |
| 14:33:38 | preglow | which was? |
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| 14:33:49 | daurn|again | why is irc sooo quiet? |
| 14:33:52 | amiconn | Better dictionaries just keep it as "Dithering" in german |
| 14:33:58 | daurn|again | rockbox is only channel with even SOME chat |
| 14:34:51 | blue_lizard | amiconn: shure but what do franch guys? |
| 14:35:03 | blue_lizard | thes have laws against using foreight words |
| 14:35:44 | preglow | amiconn: this is one of the cases where english's very large vocabulary has got a word for something that needs several words in other languages, i'm afraid |
| 14:36:22 | Lear | preglow: don't translate that word... |
| 14:36:57 | Lear | But on a quick glance, the translation didn't seem very good anyway... |
| 14:37:54 | preglow | most translations actually aren't |
| 14:38:12 | preglow | since they seem to be mostly done by people who aren't really very good in their own language, heh |
| 14:38:26 | preglow | that's mostly the case with norwegian translations anyway |
| 14:38:36 | preglow | the bigger apps seem to be well off, but that's that |
| 14:42:13 | Lear | True. But even paid-for translations can be bad. I know at least one case where they didn't actually test the translated program, so several translations were odd for the context in which they were used... |
| 14:42:25 | preglow | hahaha |
| 14:42:26 | preglow | that's a must |
| 14:42:36 | preglow | i noticed that myself, when translating rockbox |
| 14:42:57 | preglow | you pretty much need to test it and do notes |
| 14:43:53 | preglow | the guy who does the nynorsk translation seems to be a guy who's able to find norwegian words for english ones, i'm looking forward to seeing what he'll come up with for this one :> |
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| 14:52:31 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: What exactly is the difference between norsk and nynorsk? |
| 14:53:13 | markun | just a completely revise spelling, right? |
| 14:54:02 | * | amiconn likes this accessory detect trick :) |
| 14:54:07 | preglow | Genre9mp3: norsk is the oldest written language, pretty much deriving for danish naturally over the years. nynorsk is a constructed language based on the numerous dialects found around in the southern part of norway. they've become very similar over the years |
| 14:54:12 | preglow | amiconn: i agree |
| 14:54:21 | preglow | s/for/from |
| 14:54:33 | Genre9mp3 | I see... |
| 14:54:42 | preglow | Genre9mp3: both are official languages |
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| 14:54:50 | preglow | a pretty unique situation, i think it is |
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| 14:55:27 | preglow | nynorsk used to be something special, once upon a time, now it and bokmål have come so close it's not even funny |
| 14:55:29 | * | Genre9mp3 should update the greek.lang as well |
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| 14:56:00 | * | preglow finds languages interesting |
| 14:56:35 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how much would cost a paid translation for Rockbox |
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| 15:00:57 | | Nick daurn|again is now known as daurn|laptop (n=quae@124.243.137.107) |
| 15:02:24 | * | daurn|laptop wishes he could contribute to rockbox |
| 15:07:00 | preglow | you can |
| 15:07:11 | daurn|laptop | how? |
| 15:07:20 | blue_lizard | i am messing sround with lcd_putsxy |
| 15:07:25 | preglow | i dunno, find something |
| 15:07:31 | blue_lizard | i simply dont get naything on the screen |
| 15:07:47 | blue_lizard | is there something i need to initialize before using it? |
| 15:07:50 | daurn|laptop | preglow: i have no rockboxable device, and no time to do a port |
| 15:08:29 | preglow | you can still translate and make graphics, do manual work |
| 15:08:29 | preglow | :> |
| 15:08:41 | daurn|laptop | i don't know any other languages |
| 15:08:52 | daurn|laptop | my graphic abilities aren't fantastic |
| 15:09:04 | daurn|laptop | - i get someone else to do my graphics when i program |
| 15:09:18 | markun | daurn|laptop: after a DM320 target is supported it your port might not be so difficult |
| 15:09:34 | daurn|laptop | markun: its not that.. just NO time |
| 15:09:53 | markun | find someone else to do the port then :) |
| 15:10:12 | daurn|laptop | no one else with dev ability is interested |
| 15:12:31 | dan_a | blue_lizard: Are you calling lcd_update() after doing the lcd_putsxy? |
| 15:13:04 | blue_lizard | dan_a: no |
| 15:13:19 | dan_a | Try that, it might help ;) |
| 15:13:47 | blue_lizard | on my way |
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| 15:16:05 | blue_lizard | dan_a: thx that helped |
| 15:16:16 | dan_a | You're welcome! |
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| 15:31:58 | Genre9mp3 | hmm... anyone now why the "LANG_TAGCACHE_DISK" entry is empty in the english.lang file? Is this supposed to be that way? |
| 15:32:32 | Slasheri | Genre9mp3: that entry is deprecated |
| 15:32:48 | Slasheri | and will be removed in future (at next release?) |
| 15:32:54 | Genre9mp3 | ah... ok |
| 15:33:11 | Genre9mp3 | thanks |
| 15:33:33 | Slasheri | deprecated entries cannot be just removed from the language files or they need to be removed from all languages at the same time |
| 15:33:44 | Slasheri | otherwise strings go out of sync |
| 15:33:57 | Genre9mp3 | I was just about to ask this :) |
| 15:34:02 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 15:34:04 | Genre9mp3 | I'll leave it blank then |
| 15:34:29 | amiconn | Removing deprecated strings requires incrementing the binary .lng version. That shouldn't be done too often |
| 15:35:00 | amiconn | I think it should be done before a release. |
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| 15:45:06 | lostlogic | amiconn: Do you still have concerns with the patch we talked about yesterday? |
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| 16:15:50 | pondlife | Real basic Cygwin question... how do I upgrade my make to 3.81+ ..? |
| 16:16:21 | * | pondlife has no Linux clues. |
| 16:16:28 | lostlogic | what's a cygwin? |
| 16:16:32 | lostlogic | :-P |
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| 16:16:50 | pondlife | It's something that allows me to break playback unbuffering |
| 16:16:54 | lostlogic | :) |
| 16:16:56 | pondlife | :-p |
| 16:17:07 | lostlogic | try just running setup.exe again and looking for an updated make package |
| 16:17:15 | pondlife | OK |
| 16:17:45 | lostlogic | looks like 3.81 should be the latest in cygwin's package repo. |
| 16:18:04 | pondlife | As an aside, I have been testing with MAX_TRACKS set to 4. It reveals some oddities in the metadata handling on wrap round, but you probably knew that. |
| 16:18:19 | lostlogic | not surprising in the slightest |
| 16:18:29 | pondlife | e.g. Doing skipping can display an old track's metadata for a second or 2 |
| 16:18:37 | lostlogic | I wonder if that's why someone was reporting problems with playin glots of short tracks |
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| 16:18:45 | pondlife | Very likely |
| 16:18:56 | pondlife | And mono 64k tracks |
| 16:19:06 | lostlogic | I should really rewrite metadata on buffer one of these days. |
| 16:19:07 | pondlife | I've had it go out of sync too. |
| 16:19:18 | pondlife | rewrite? You mean it already got written? |
| 16:19:35 | lostlogic | I wrote it once and it mostly worked, but then I had to drop it for various reasons |
| 16:19:45 | lostlogic | the patch is probably still on the wiki somewhere |
| 16:20:09 | lostlogic | I think lowlight wrote it once too |
| 16:20:57 | pondlife | I'm too busy to do Big Things at the moment :( |
| 16:21:03 | lostlogic | yar |
| 16:21:43 | lostlogic | since I've decided to glue myself home for financial reasons for a month or 3, I might have time to do it coming up. |
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| 16:26:23 | preglow | do it! |
| 16:29:50 | lostlogic | I'll work on it, if you clean my apartment today :-P |
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| 16:37:39 | pondlife | Hmm, I can't find a make later than 3.80-1. I assume that's not the same as 3.81? Cygwin only gives me a "Keep" option; it doesn't seem to want to upgrade anything |
| 16:39:10 | lostlogic | might hafta update its package list from the server or something? I've never used it myself, but their website says they have 3.81-1 available :-\ |
| 16:39:24 | pondlife | I'm using the rockbox mirror |
| 16:39:44 | lostlogic | try just going to the cygwin site itself or something? no idea. |
| 16:39:56 | pondlife | That's where I started. |
| 16:41:27 | lostlogic | hmph. |
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| 16:48:14 | pondlife | lostlogic: One more question. Currently queue_post wraps around and overwrites the head of the queue when it's full. This seems wrong. Would it be better to just NOT queue any more in this case? |
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| 16:49:53 | preglow | that would probably give bugs as well |
| 16:50:19 | pondlife | True. Maybe we should panic? |
| 16:50:21 | preglow | the best would be for the queuing to fail, so that the queuer would have to sleep a bit before trying again |
| 16:50:43 | preglow | but of course, it should never happen |
| 16:50:53 | pondlife | It shouldn't happen really, hence the panic |
| 16:51:34 | pondlife | I've found another case where queuing overflows - on the sim at least, and quite possibly on the target |
| 16:51:50 | preglow | where? |
| 16:52:20 | pondlife | Somewhere in the voice/codec interaction |
| 16:52:35 | pondlife | A flood of Q_AUDIO_PLAY in the voice queue |
| 16:52:42 | preglow | hrmrmr |
| 16:52:49 | preglow | this would explain why thing hangs so often lately |
| 16:53:16 | pondlife | Yep. I will resolve it, but think the diagnosis would be easier if the queue handler was better. |
| 16:53:28 | pondlife | There may be more... :( |
| 16:54:27 | lostlogic | I think panicking is correct, and should probably be handled the same way threading extra checks are −− with a #ifdef and only enabled for debugging. |
| 16:55:10 | z0de | what time are the x5 devlopers normaly? |
| 16:55:12 | z0de | on |
| 16:56:31 | pondlife | Hmm, q->read and write increases forever (well, until the uint wraps) |
| 16:56:52 | * | pondlife has worse grammar at weekends. |
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| 17:03:05 | preglow | eh |
| 17:03:12 | preglow | if a hang will happen anyway |
| 17:03:19 | preglow | then why not do a controlled panic? |
| 17:03:32 | preglow | some easy hint for the developers |
| 17:05:11 | pondlife | I vote to always panic too. |
| 17:05:44 | pondlife | Does anyone know what "Illegal key:15" means? dsp.c doesn't like crossfeed apparently.. |
| 17:06:26 | preglow | what? |
| 17:06:30 | markun | pondlife: crossfEEd? What doesn't it like about it? |
| 17:06:43 | preglow | not liking crossfeed is unlikely |
| 17:07:23 | pondlife | dsp_configure is being passed a setting of DSP_CROSSFEED from somewhere, it returns 0 as there's no code to handle that setting, which results in a logf |
| 17:08:54 | pondlife | Maybe I need to make install.. |
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| 17:09:59 | preglow | DSP_CROSSFEED??? |
| 17:10:23 | preglow | ehh |
| 17:10:28 | pondlife | Yes. looking at dsp.h , thet would be setting 15... |
| 17:10:29 | preglow | why the hell is there even such a define? |
| 17:10:37 | pondlife | No idea. |
| 17:10:46 | markun | preglow: I probably did that.. don't know why :) |
| 17:10:54 | preglow | you can just remove it, should never be used |
| 17:11:05 | preglow | for the same reason that i just removed DSP_DITHER |
| 17:11:13 | preglow | it's not up to the codec whether it should be applied or not |
| 17:11:15 | pondlife | Make install fixed the logfs |
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| 17:13:54 | Genre9mp3 | Eeer.. does anyone know what playlist catalog does? |
| 17:14:04 | Genre9mp3 | It's undocumented in the manual |
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| 17:15:13 | Genre9mp3 | It's a catalog (?) of playlists... or it is a single playlist that it's called catalog? :) |
| 17:15:27 | bluebrother | Genre9mp3, it's a folder with playlists |
| 17:15:37 | bluebrother | and you can add files to that playlists easily. |
| 17:15:56 | Genre9mp3 | So it's a catalog of playlists |
| 17:16:00 | bluebrother | yup |
| 17:16:12 | Genre9mp3 | And what's the purpose of that btw |
| 17:16:13 | Genre9mp3 | ? |
| 17:16:34 | bluebrother | e.g. like the favourites plugin: maintain a list of your favourite tracks. |
| 17:16:57 | bluebrother | or have some lists like rock, pop, jazz and add tracks to them while listening. |
| 17:17:10 | bluebrother | for example I have a list with broken files. |
| 17:17:16 | Genre9mp3 | I see... |
| 17:17:34 | Genre9mp3 | I should use it some time to understand how exactly it works |
| 17:17:43 | bluebrother | haven't used it a different way, but maybe someone knows ... |
| 17:18:37 | Genre9mp3 | heh... If I didn't ask I would have translate it completely wrong! :) |
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| 17:22:16 | linuxstb | Anyone know of any upnp servers for Linux capable of streaming live audio from a DVB card? |
| 17:24:55 | lostlogic | preglow: pondlife: there are performance implications in checking for an overflow? |
| 17:25:23 | pondlife | A little, sure. queue_post must do an extra addition and comparison. |
| 17:25:24 | preglow | lostlogic: you mean in mixing? |
| 17:25:28 | preglow | ahh, that overflow |
| 17:25:41 | pondlife | if (q->write == (q->read + QUEUE_LENGTH)) |
| 17:25:41 | pondlife | panicf("Queue overflowed, id=%ld\n", id); |
| 17:25:57 | pondlife | Something like that. |
| 17:26:00 | preglow | don't much about queues, but i'd imagine the performance impact is tiny |
| 17:26:00 | lostlogic | I still vote for ifdeffing it in only for debugging as teh THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS are done |
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| 17:26:21 | preglow | lostlogic: but really, if this ever occurs, a release build will crash |
| 17:26:32 | pondlife | But hardly anyone uses debug builds and we want to find bugs. |
| 17:26:50 | preglow | lostlogic: if it crashes anyway, we should put in some info that helps us kill the bug |
| 17:27:00 | lostlogic | okokok I give up |
| 17:27:03 | preglow | good :-) |
| 17:27:04 | pondlife | Can someone double-check my maths in that test above by the way? |
| 17:27:16 | pondlife | Don't want to panic anyone for no reason :) |
| 17:27:25 | lostlogic | if that's the case, the THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS should be on in release builds too −− because they check for things like two threads blocked on the same queue |
| 17:27:45 | preglow | lostlogic: as long as a crash will happen anyway, i think we should do whatever helps us the most |
| 17:27:46 | pondlife | No major performance penalty? |
| 17:27:57 | lostlogic | pondlife: do we just assume that we never reach UINT_MAX? |
| 17:28:16 | pondlife | Yes, kind of. But my maths should overflow the same as ++ does anyway. |
| 17:28:23 | pondlife | So I think it'll still work. |
| 17:28:26 | lostlogic | preglow: if two threads block on the same queue at the same time, one will never wake up |
| 17:28:35 | lostlogic | pondlife: ah, you're right. |
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| 17:28:49 | pondlife | That's why I went for that particular form. |
| 17:32:01 | lostlogic | I'll turn on the extra threading checks by default, I think −− they 1 or two extra conditionals depending on the type of block requested (timeout or no timeout) |
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| 17:36:32 | pondlife | Hmm, I just overflowed a queue on my H340 ! Or my test is wrong... |
| 17:40:26 | pondlife | Hmm, it's really easy to overflow a queue. Just do something that keeps the CPU busy during playback :( |
| 17:40:43 | lostlogic | well that sucks. |
| 17:40:52 | pondlife | Is my test wrong? |
| 17:41:31 | pondlife | Reshuffling a playlist of 12000 songs does it every time. |
| 17:41:50 | pondlife | Maybe I can make the panic dump the whole queue. |
| 17:42:45 | lostlogic | test seems right to me |
| 17:45:45 | preglow | eh |
| 17:45:48 | preglow | sounds... unlikely |
| 17:46:08 | preglow | if not, then something funky's about |
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| 17:54:13 | Blackfish` | can someone tell my why i cant see the .rockbox folder when browsing with my h10? |
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| 17:55:03 | Genre9mp3 | Blackfish`: Go to quick menu and sellect Show All |
| 17:55:22 | Blackfish` | quick menu? |
| 17:55:36 | markun | Blackfish`: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-920007.2 |
| 17:56:22 | Genre9mp3 | Blackfish`: Hold the Prev key (I think... don't have H10) |
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| 17:57:12 | Blackfish` | ah thanks :) |
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| 18:00:21 | lostlogic | Unless I misunderstand something, I'm just going to make it legal to block multiple threads on one queue and eliminate the need for THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS |
| 18:00:45 | lostlogic | :405 |
| 18:00:47 | lostlogic | doh |
| 18:05:22 | Kitt0s | question |
| 18:06:02 | Kitt0s | y not make rockbox support java? i mean then we can play games like in my cellphone : |
| 18:06:03 | Kitt0s | :] |
| 18:06:44 | lostlogic | ok, write a JVM that runs on rockbox, best of luck :) |
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| 18:07:03 | lex | is there a patched build of rockbox for 30GB 5.5G ipods? :( |
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| 18:09:11 | Kitt0s | lostlogic, 2 secs and its done :] |
| 18:14:16 | amigan | Hrm. How come the x5 doesn't have HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING? I don't see anything special about the hardware that the iriver and ipod have in this respect. |
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| 18:16:37 | lex | linuxstb: hey |
| 18:18:44 | lostlogic | I misunderstood something −− that whole concept was bankrupt. |
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| 18:37:26 | Slasheri | amigan: if the backlight is made with a CCFL or EL lamp, it cannot be dimmed with PWM |
| 18:38:22 | preglow | amigan: try it and see |
| 18:38:50 | Slasheri | but with led backlight (quite common now), dimming is certainly possible |
| 18:40:34 | Slasheri | iirc, the power control chip might control the backlight brigtness also. So it might be necessary to vary the voltage level by controlling that chip to do the dimming |
| 18:40:43 | Slasheri | (then it would allow constant dimming also) |
| 18:42:41 | lostlogic | Slasheri: your opinion of (new version just diffed) http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/scheduler_boost_ctrl_enhanced.patch ? |
| 18:45:13 | amigan | Slasheri, ah |
| 18:45:31 | amigan | I tried it, and the backlight just turns off and doesn't come back on. |
| 18:45:53 | Slasheri | lostlogic: i need more time to check that.. quite much changes |
| 18:46:23 | Slasheri | but it seems there might be some good things besides the cpu boosting thing |
| 18:47:17 | Slasheri | amigan: of course it wont work just by uncommenting the line.. |
| 18:47:24 | amigan | Slasheri, yeah I know |
| 18:47:28 | amigan | Slasheri, I hadn't read your message yet =] |
| 18:47:34 | lostlogic | Slasheri: I think just in the form of splitting boost_thread into two functions instead of using an 'if' onthe timeout... otherwise it's just (an unfortunate amount) of noise, due to changing the use of the STATE related macros |
| 18:47:39 | Slasheri | you need to check how the backlight is connected to the cpu and make necessary changes to the code |
| 18:48:10 | Slasheri | lostlogic: yes, that seems at least good thing to do |
| 18:48:23 | lostlogic | well lemme know what you think, I won't commit until I hear. |
| 18:48:41 | Slasheri | i will try to check that soon.. |
| 18:48:44 | lostlogic | thanks. |
| 18:50:24 | amigan | Slasheri, I looked through backlight.c....all it seems to be doing is turning it on and off using __backlight_on() |
| 18:50:37 | amigan | The x5 has a coldfire CPU just like the iriver, so the timer stuff looked the same too |
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| 19:04:34 | Slasheri | amigan: but x5 has the power controller chip also |
| 19:04:50 | Slasheri | and i think backlight is connected directly to that chip, not the CPU GPIO |
| 19:04:56 | amigan | Ah. |
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| 19:08:34 | dave | hi all |
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| 19:09:24 | enterusername | hi everyone |
| 19:09:43 | enterusername | how do you get back to the WPS screen after you go back to the File Browser view |
| 19:09:46 | enterusername | cant figure ito ut |
| 19:10:01 | obo | press play |
| 19:10:03 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't "What to do when Splitting" in record options a bit "ugly"? |
| 19:10:18 | Genre9mp3 | How about: "Action on Splitting" ? |
| 19:10:32 | enterusername | oh i tried that but then it plays the current song :p letme give it a try again |
| 19:10:43 | obo | "Split Options"? |
| 19:11:15 | enterusername | I try pressing play. but then it plays a new song |
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| 19:11:27 | Genre9mp3 | obo: In recording file or time split options |
| 19:12:15 | markun | enterusername: maybe a different key on your player then. did you try the manul? |
| 19:12:19 | markun | manual |
| 19:12:34 | enterusername | Yes i'm looking... hrm. ill keep reading i didnt see anythign particular.. |
| 19:13:36 | enterusername | im using an ipod.. |
| 19:14:28 | desowin | enterusername: press play for short time |
| 19:16:17 | enterusername | Thank you that worked. |
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| 19:18:39 | preglow | amigan, slasheri: actually, all you need is to uncomment the define |
| 19:18:54 | preglow | Slasheri: i cleaned up your code to be generic one time :) |
| 19:19:09 | amigan | preglow, yeah, I tried it, and it didn't work |
| 19:19:26 | preglow | amigan: then your backlight's special |
| 19:20:26 | Slasheri | preglow: nice :) |
| 19:21:00 | amigan | preglow, heh |
| 19:21:01 | preglow | amigan: but it doesn't work just like that on all platforms, of course |
| 19:21:02 | bluebrother | is something wrong with the tracker? |
| 19:21:17 | preglow | depends on the backlight itself |
| 19:21:21 | preglow | bluebrother: nothing? |
| 19:21:37 | bluebrother | strange, now it works. I tried adding a comment and it took like ages. |
| 19:21:51 | bluebrother | and took me to the tracker front page afterwards. |
| 19:22:04 | EnterUserName | hey .. here's another simple question how do i get out of the Info page. |
| 19:22:10 | EnterUserName | from the main menu |
| 19:22:21 | amigan | preglow, ah |
| 19:22:23 | EnterUserName | keeps saying scanning disk :p |
| 19:22:31 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... |
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| 19:23:08 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe just a small glitch. |
| 19:23:11 | Genre9mp3 | Why "arbitrary" settings now have a drop down list? |
| 19:23:16 | EnterUserName | just found it..:S |
| 19:23:23 | preglow | amigan: for example, the h1x0 remote backlight is an el device, so can never support this kind of fading |
| 19:23:32 | Genre9mp3 | Because of the -> confirm <- cancel behavior? |
| 19:23:32 | preglow | might be that the main backlight in x5 is also an el device |
| 19:23:36 | amigan | Yeah the x5 backlight is EL too |
| 19:23:40 | amigan | Which is why =] |
| 19:23:41 | preglow | then it won't work |
| 19:23:51 | amigan | Yeah |
| 19:24:35 | Genre9mp3 | eg. the Disk spin down option leads you to a list of choice from 3s to 254s... it's not like it used to be |
| 19:24:48 | Genre9mp3 | and it's ugly that way IMO |
| 19:25:02 | preglow | 254s??? |
| 19:25:04 | preglow | wasted bits |
| 19:25:19 | preglow | Genre9mp3: they've had a drop down list for months |
| 19:25:35 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Haven't realised :/ |
| 19:26:01 | Genre9mp3 | I think because of the </> cancel/confirm behavior... right? |
| 19:26:22 | amigan | preglow, what if the code simply set the backlight brightness rather than doing PWM? I'd imagine this might work (though it might not look as good) |
| 19:26:32 | preglow | amigan: that would of course be the proper way to do it |
| 19:26:41 | preglow | amigan: pwm fading is only a hack to make it work on devices with no brightness control |
| 19:26:47 | amigan | Ahh. Ok. |
| 19:27:01 | Genre9mp3 | I think that the drop down list on such options is ugly and unecessary |
| 19:27:04 | amigan | I'm just worried that the brightness settings for the x5's LCD (1-10 IIRC) might be too coarse to make it look as good. |
| 19:27:14 | preglow | Genre9mp3: it works fine for short lists, if you ask me |
| 19:27:18 | preglow | Genre9mp3: worse for long lists |
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| 19:27:26 | Genre9mp3 | well... for short lists, yes |
| 19:27:29 | preglow | amigan: oh, yes, surely |
| 19:27:33 | EnterUserName | Hey all have any of you guys ever bought a larger batter for your nano ipod.. |
| 19:27:53 | Genre9mp3 | But when you have 250+ options it's ugly |
| 19:28:08 | Genre9mp3 | And options that are actually a number value |
| 19:28:27 | Genre9mp3 | lists should be for options, not for values |
| 19:28:32 | preglow | yes, i agree |
| 19:28:35 | preglow | but i don't care enough to fix it |
| 19:29:03 | Genre9mp3 | right... |
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| 19:31:45 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 19:32:01 | DaBlade | This may seem like a stupid question, but is there support for Creative Zen Touch yet? |
| 19:32:09 | bluebrother | DaBlade, no |
| 19:32:19 | DaBlade | bluebrother: Any plans to introduce it? |
| 19:32:36 | bluebrother | no idea. Maybe this has been discussed in the "new ports" forum. |
| 19:32:49 | bluebrother | as long as no dev starts working on it it won't happen. |
| 19:32:52 | Genre9mp3 | A number value that would just change on up/down would fit perfectly though... IMO it should be as it used to be (some months ago :/) |
| 19:34:55 | bluebrother | DaBlade, see also this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5006.0 |
| 19:35:23 | DaBlade | bluebrother: thanks |
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| 19:38:06 | Genre9mp3 | Argh! Stereo Width option is a list from 0% to 255% :( |
| 19:39:01 | Genre9mp3 | ..and balance from -100 to 100% :/ |
| 19:39:21 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders why I haven't noticed earlier |
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| 19:54:30 | TerrorByte | So, what's up? |
| 19:56:14 | TerrorByte | Why am I being told to get it done myself if it's a feature request? |
| 19:56:48 | Soap | Because developers work on what interests them, not what the community calls out for. |
| 19:57:11 | preglow | in most cases, at least |
| 19:57:19 | Soap | It is not a paid position, it is a collective of people blending their own pet-projects together. |
| 19:57:22 | TerrorByte | Then it's not really a feature request.. |
| 19:57:27 | TerrorByte | Yes I understand that. |
| 19:57:31 | TerrorByte | And I'm grateful for it too. |
| 19:57:47 | Soap | So the best thing to do is throw an idea at the wall and see if it sticks. |
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| 19:57:57 | Soap | Throwing it twice just annoys the wall. |
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| 19:58:58 | TerrorByte | How am I throwing it twice? |
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| 19:59:10 | TerrorByte | And don't I have a better chance of it sticking if I do throw it twice? |
| 19:59:11 | TerrorByte | :P |
| 19:59:21 | TerrorByte | I get what you mean......... -_-; |
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| 20:51:36 | Drumr | is rockbox compatable with the 80 gig 5.5g ipod? |
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| 20:54:18 | Genre9mp3 | Drumr: not yet |
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| 20:58:24 | kaspar | hello, is there anyone who knows how do I access the microphone in a plugin? |
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| 21:00:29 | kaspar | hello, is there anyone who knows how do I access the microphone in a plugin? |
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| 21:00:52 | linuxstb_ | No need to ask twice... |
| 21:00:59 | kaspar | sorry |
| 21:01:04 | petur | you can't (yet) |
| 21:01:18 | bluebrother | is something like that planned? |
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| 21:01:32 | linuxstb_ | Yes, lots of people want it. |
| 21:01:38 | bluebrother | (just asking out of curiosity) |
| 21:01:45 | bluebrother | really? Ok ... |
| 21:01:48 | petur | might be easier to do with the new encoder framework |
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| 21:02:35 | linuxstb_ | I think preglow and jhMikeS have discussed it recently. |
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| 21:09:24 | preglow | discussed what? |
| 21:09:32 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 21:09:44 | preglow | i'd very much like it, and i think jhMikeS has gone some way towards implementing it |
| 21:10:53 | slowcoder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.msg56112#msg56112 |
| 21:10:58 | slowcoder | Troll or true ? |
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| 21:11:35 | preglow | gehh |
| 21:11:50 | preglow | unless he's in the habit of shitting money, i'd say troll |
| 21:12:14 | slowcoder | $1400 would buy you a pretty fancy MP3 player.. |
| 21:12:20 | preglow | god, the amount of fancy beer... |
| 21:12:30 | preglow | problem is, i don't have an ipod 5.5 |
| 21:12:37 | preglow | anyway, the job is far from impossible |
| 21:12:55 | slowcoder | It's very possible. I've verified every bit of hardware (except the DSP) in the 5.5G |
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| 21:13:03 | scorche | wow...i just saw that |
| 21:13:04 | slowcoder | It's _identical_ to the 5G |
| 21:13:10 | preglow | slowcoder: well, sure, yes |
| 21:13:16 | preglow | slowcoder: the only piece of work required is the sector problem |
| 21:13:20 | preglow | and that's not much of a problem |
| 21:13:31 | scorche | he also mentioned getting video function up and ready |
| 21:13:33 | slowcoder | Are you guys using your own loader, or are you using loader2 as well ? |
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| 21:13:42 | scorche | our own |
| 21:14:09 | preglow | slowcoder: primarily our own, but people do pop in time from time to ask about using it with loader2 |
| 21:14:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | slowcoder: Our own, but it should be interchangeable with loader2 |
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| 21:14:37 | slowcoder | Ok, and your sector problem.. Is it in the loader, or in rockbox itself ? |
| 21:15:10 | bluebrother | including video? Crazy. |
| 21:15:17 | bluebrother | and including an exe installer? LOL. |
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| 21:15:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well we have an exe installer, technically |
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| 21:15:46 | bluebrother | ... it only works on archos exclusively |
| 21:15:49 | linuxstb_ | slowcoder: It's in both - the Rockbox bootloader is just a stripped-down version of Rockbox itself. It uses the same drivers. |
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| 21:16:28 | dan_a | He doesn't specify that video and audio should both work at the same time! |
| 21:16:30 | linuxstb_ | slowcoder: People have managed to hack Rockbox onto a 30GB 5.5G, and it works fine, including audio playback. |
| 21:17:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | bluebrother: Well, there's also Installer X which could be borrowed, or someone just wrap the command prompt tools which are .exes with a .bat or something. |
| 21:17:26 | bluebrother | Paul_the_Nerd, I would really prefer something that isn't depending on windows. |
| 21:17:47 | slowcoder | The problem you're having seems that someone messed up the MSB of the LBA address.. Without double-pumping the ATA registers, you should be able to address up to 136GB disks. Halve that, and it would work on 60GB, but not a 80GB |
| 21:17:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | bluebrother: Oh, I certainly agree |
| 21:18:11 | bluebrother | like installer2 of ipl ... I had a look into it recently. |
| 21:18:38 | bluebrother | they use qt4, which is something I scheduled for learning ... but I fear I won't find the time to do so. |
| 21:19:16 | bluebrother | and I don't have an ipod for testing. But maybe I'll get around writing something |
| 21:19:22 | linuxstb_ | slowcoder: Rockbox works fine on Archos players with 160GB 2.5" drives using (afaik) the same ATA driver that runs on the ipods. |
| 21:20:03 | bluebrother | portability is one reason why I don't like people writing installers using vb or .net or other windows-only stuff. |
| 21:20:48 | slowcoder | linuxstb_: Cool. Loader2 will break at 136GB |
| 21:21:37 | linuxstb_ | Although I'm not sure the area between 136GB and 160GB works - it's inaccessible from a PC due to limitations in the USB<->ATA bridge chip used in the Archos devices. |
| 21:21:55 | slowcoder | Ahh |
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| 21:22:44 | slowcoder | So, have you guys looked more deeply into the Nano 2G ? |
| 21:23:02 | preglow | none at all |
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| 21:23:59 | linuxstb_ | I own one, but it's doing nothing at the moment - I can't contribute anything to the encryption problem... |
| 21:24:25 | slowcoder | I have one as well. I've had it apart and inspected it for our HW guy |
| 21:25:26 | slowcoder | When he gets back from Alaska(!!) and gets settled in his new job, he'll have the BootFlash chip X-rayed, and we'll see if we can snoop the data that the CPU reads from it |
| 21:26:53 | linuxstb_ | Is anyone in IPL making progress with other things - e.g. USB, TV-Out, broadcom chip? |
| 21:27:38 | slowcoder | Not really |
| 21:28:02 | slowcoder | USB is on hold until a 2.6 port sees the day |
| 21:28:20 | slowcoder | And since no-one is working on that actively, that'll take quite a while |
| 21:29:30 | slowcoder | TV-Out seems neat at first look, but getting the PP502x to render in PAL/NTSC resolution? Man, that'll be slow |
| 21:30:21 | preglow | slowcoder: xray? wouldn't snooping the bus be easier? |
| 21:30:38 | slowcoder | We need to X-Ray it to see what pin to snoop |
| 21:34:06 | preglow | right, right, epoxy |
| 21:36:38 | Soap | 320x240 is a legal NTSC resolution. |
| 21:37:53 | slowcoder | Dont you mean 640x240 ? |
| 21:38:17 | Soap | no, 320x240 is VCD resoloution, perfectly kosher, all NTSC devices can accept it. |
| 21:38:40 | Soap | 320x288 being the PAL equiv. |
| 21:39:41 | Soap | and what I believe the Apple firmware outputs at, I am pretty sure the AppleFW doesn't upsample to 480. |
| 21:39:56 | slowcoder | Wierd. I'd figure it would screw up the timings seriously |
| 21:40:07 | Soap | or 576 |
| 21:41:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: Supposedly the 5G new firmware does 640x480 output, but that's with the Broadcom chip |
| 21:42:25 | Drumr | if i upgrade to teh new firmware on my 60gb 5g ipod can i still reinstall rockbox? |
| 21:42:41 | slowcoder | Actually, I think the old firmware did that as well.. The keynote news was that _itms_ videos now were 640x480 |
| 21:43:45 | Soap | Drumr - yes |
| 21:45:33 | Soap | If the AppleFW is upsampling, there is still no reason to believe it /must/ be done by IPL/RB. |
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| 21:46:23 | Soap | is there? |
| 21:46:27 | slowcoder | Well, you're assuming that the video chip does upscaling in hardware |
| 21:46:55 | slowcoder | If the chip doesn't do upscaling, we need to render in full PAL/NTSC resolution |
| 21:47:55 | Soap | what I'm saying is a TV will take 320x240 w/o the device doing hardware upscaling. |
| 21:49:07 | Soap | my DVD player has an upscale option, and while I can tell a difference when playing a VCD with the upscaler on, compared to the upscaler off, the TV seems to handle the lower res just fine. |
| 21:49:28 | knewt | anyone got any idea why every so often rockbox will randomly stop dead in the middle of a track and move onto the next one? (ipod 5g) |
| 21:50:23 | Soap | So I am, I'll admit, assuming that when I have the upscaler off on my DVD player the DVD player isn't working any magic on the (S)VCDs I feed it. |
| 21:51:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | knewt: I don't know, but it happened to me *once* during six hours of use yesterday on an H120, I thought I'd bumped next track, though I couldn't see how (it would've had to have been triggered by the vibrations of my car) |
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| 21:51:52 | merbanan | Soap: composite is a fixed resolution |
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| 21:52:34 | knewt | Paul_the_Nerd: i had the key-lock turned on, so definitely not that :) |
| 21:53:04 | merbanan | Soap: the tv wont rescale anything, it will either work or not |
| 21:53:40 | Soap | 320x240 goes full screen, as does 480x480, 640x480, and 720x480. |
| 21:54:17 | Soap | I've used other intermediate resoloutions, but I can't recall off hand. |
| 21:54:51 | Kitt0s | jpeg.viewer? |
| 21:56:04 | merbanan | the tv (PAL) will display 720x576, the thing feeding the tv must encode the picture in a compatible way |
| 21:56:37 | Genre9mp3 | my updated greek.lang file exceeds the language buffer :( |
| 21:56:50 | Soap | I don't want to open my mouth and prove my ignorance, but I don't know how composite can be fixed resoloution. Since TV is not pixel based. |
| 21:57:06 | linuxstb_ | It's line-based though. |
| 21:57:21 | preglow | composite doesn't have a resolution |
| 21:57:26 | preglow | well, horizontally at least |
| 21:57:28 | preglow | vertically it does |
| 21:57:29 | knewt | Paul_the_Nerd: the other "interesting" thing i found, was that i put a track on repeat-1 mode, and the both the progress bar and the time-remaining info got completely screwed up |
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| 21:58:28 | Soap | and the vertical "resoloution" is a matter of timing, which is why 240/288 is used, since it is simply a halving of the lines. |
| 21:59:18 | merbanan | true, but anyway you must scale a video when sending it over composite if you wan't it in full screen |
| 21:59:28 | merbanan | unless you do some tricks |
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| 22:00:25 | Soap | line send each line twice. |
| 22:00:30 | Soap | s/line/like |
| 22:00:46 | merbanan | yeah |
| 22:01:09 | Soap | the horizontal resoloution is nothing more than samples/time - no need to "render" anything more than the current 320. |
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| 22:06:17 | linuxstb_ | Sorry to go even more off-topic, but does anyone know a Linux solution for playing back HDTV (1440x1080i) MPEG-4 AVC in realtime? ffmpeg/mplayer works, but far too slowly on my dual 2.8GHz Xeon PC. |
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| 22:07:50 | pagefault | I think you might out of luck |
| 22:07:58 | pagefault | try vlc? |
| 22:08:18 | linuxstb_ | Doesn't vlc just use ffmpeg? |
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| 22:08:28 | pagefault | no idea |
| 22:08:35 | pagefault | but I have no problem playing back that in windows under vlc |
| 22:09:26 | linuxstb_ | What streams? Mine are the BBC's HDTV broadcasts. |
| 22:09:42 | pagefault | usually tv shows |
| 22:09:47 | pagefault | from primetime here |
| 22:10:38 | linuxstb_ | Where is here? |
| 22:10:45 | pagefault | canada |
| 22:10:49 | pagefault | we use the ATSC standard |
| 22:11:19 | linuxstb_ | Is it definitely MPEG-4 AVC, and not MPEG-2? I know all US HDTV is MPEG-2. |
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| 22:11:48 | pagefault | it's mpeg 4 because it's extracted from my cable company's PVR |
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| 22:11:59 | pagefault | which uses mpeg 4 avc over their network |
| 22:12:45 | pagefault | it's not from OTA |
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| 22:13:46 | linuxstb_ | I forget the details (something like MBAFF), but the European MPEG-4 HDTV broadcasts use features of MPEG-4 which make them very computationally expensive to decode. Your PVR is probably encoding with simpler MPEG-4. |
| 22:14:02 | pagefault | perhaps |
| 22:14:10 | pagefault | it doesn't encode anything though |
| 22:14:13 | pagefault | it just saves the signal to the disk |
| 22:14:26 | pagefault | all the encoding is done at the cable company |
| 22:14:28 | pagefault | and they send it over fiber |
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| 22:15:18 | pagefault | because I can record up to 2 things at once |
| 22:15:25 | pagefault | and watch something else |
| 22:15:28 | pagefault | so I doubt it would be encoding it |
| 22:16:51 | linuxstb_ | OK, but I still suspect it's a lower complexity version of MPEG-4. The only way I think even Windows users can play these streams is with proprietory codecs which use hardware accelleration in some higher-end nvidia cards. |
| 22:17:06 | pagefault | which is what I have |
| 22:17:09 | pagefault | so could be the case |
| 22:17:19 | pagefault | but I don't see why vlc would be using it |
| 22:18:20 | pagefault | I have a 7950 GX2 |
| 22:19:13 | pagefault | but you could be right |
| 22:19:16 | pagefault | it is mpeg 4 of some kind |
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| 22:20:22 | pagefault | I guess you need to invest in a c2d |
| 22:20:23 | pagefault | :P |
| 22:20:32 | linuxstb_ | A c2d? |
| 22:20:42 | pagefault | core 2 duo |
| 22:21:29 | petur | or an AMD X2 |
| 22:21:36 | linuxstb_ | I thought I had finally bought a PC which would be fast enough for everything I wanted, and then they go and invent HDTV... |
| 22:22:07 | pagefault | I used to like amd but they have fallen behind |
| 22:22:20 | pagefault | hopefully they will make a comeback |
| 22:22:45 | petur | does it matter? |
| 22:22:53 | pagefault | you can buy a $200 c2d and overclock it to 3ghz |
| 22:22:58 | pagefault | and have anything faster than amd offers |
| 22:23:13 | Soap | when a pentium 1 was the norm and DVDs became popular you could get a MPEG-2 helper card, can you not get a MPEG-4 one today? |
| 22:23:25 | * | petur won't get dragged into a my cpu is better than yours discussion |
| 22:23:26 | Soap | or must you brute-force it with your CPU? |
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| 22:23:37 | pagefault | I wasn't saying it was better |
| 22:23:43 | pagefault | I just said amd has fallen behind |
| 22:23:56 | pagefault | now they need to release something better |
| 22:24:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the nvidia cards I mentioned - but I've no idea if there's any Linux support. |
| 22:24:04 | petur | the moment you buy a cpu it has already fallen behind |
| 22:24:06 | Lear | slasheri: I don't like that ogg length check in metadata.c... |
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| 22:24:49 | pagefault | suppose so |
| 22:25:00 | Lear | slasheri: you check it before it is set, so I guess that make all oggs fail... :/ |
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| 22:30:12 | Lear | Hm... Should we perhaps support files with less than 1 seconds worth of audio? :) |
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| 22:40:56 | Soap | Lear - Last.FM doesn't track them, so I don't care about them! ;) |
| 22:41:41 | Lear | As it is now, they get length zero, which for several formats cause crashes... |
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| 22:44:31 | EnterUserName | yes we should |
| 22:44:35 | EnterUserName | :p |
| 22:44:37 | EnterUserName | j/k |
| 22:45:59 | Lear | Huh? *** No rule to make target `button-target.h' |
| 22:46:15 | Lear | Bad dependency, I guess... |
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| 22:48:04 | linuxstb_ | Lear: I think you need to re-run configure after jdgordon's commits today. |
| 22:48:29 | Lear | Seems like it, yes. Removing the dep-firmware wasn't enough. |
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| 22:50:39 | Lear | Configure and re-making dep-firmware did it. |
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| 23:19:01 | Lear | slasheri: never mind, fix committed. |
| 23:19:22 | amiconn | pfffft |
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| 23:19:49 | Lear | now what? :) |
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| 23:29:58 | preglow | mail them and ask |
| 23:30:33 | petur | maybe I should... |
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