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#rockbox log for 2006-10-30

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00:04:42Bagder"I've noticed the e270 take a significant performance hit. First time was when I got to about 800 tracks −− I started getting a 12-second lag between tracks."
00:04:57Bagderthat's... not gapless ;-)
00:05:05dan_aEwww... where's that from?
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00:09:37petur"I'll stop fretting if this is normal" <−− I wouldn't
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00:11:14Paul_the_NerdThe e200's native firmware is far from ideal
00:11:40amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: Tell me one DAP where the retail firmware is ideal...
00:11:56pregloweven rockbox isn't ideal
00:12:05amiconnSurely not
00:12:07Bagderbut 12 seconds gap must be some sort of record ;-)
00:12:11amiconniDeal :P
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00:12:46Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: There isn't one, but some of them are less far than others. The e200 is perhaps the most frustrating among the retail firmwares I've used, I think.
00:13:04amiconnDid you try archos of?
00:13:10amiconn(on your recorder that is)
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00:13:14scorchearchos was pretty bad...although, at least they didnt impose DRM
00:13:22amiconnThat's true
00:13:56Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: I'll admit I never tried the Archos OF. I got the recorder from my brother and flashed RB without a second though.
00:14:05dan_aI quite like iPod OF, I found it very easy to use. There were just a few minor changes I wanted to make to it...
00:14:08Genre9mp3DRM was not spread at that time
00:14:10scorcheit wasnt pretty ;)
00:14:24amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: You can RoLo the archos firmware...
00:14:25scorcheGenre9mp3: i know, but the thought still stands =)
00:14:37Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: I just never saw a reason to try it.
00:14:43JdGordonyay! people are still awake, would anyone like to have a gander at fs#6258, and let me know if i can commit it this arvo? (even tho amiconn made it go out of sync overnight :p )
00:14:47Genre9mp3Best Rockbox feature: No DRM! ;)
00:14:52scorchei boot into it every so often to laugh
00:14:59Paul_the_NerdThe e200 firmware just seems to suffer a *lot* of performance problems. That's the main frustration I have with it, that it seems like those things should not happen in a retail firmware.
00:15:05Paul_the_NerdSame reason slowdown in console games drives me nuts.
00:15:10amiconnJdGordon: Is that target tree?
00:15:14Paul_the_NerdIt's not like you're designing for a mutable environment
00:15:23*amiconn guesses the problem is his slight adc improvement
00:15:52JdGordonyeah, no big deal, but enough to unsync it :p
00:16:33*amiconn guesses the target tree move should be committed before fiddling with the h1x0 adc
00:17:05*amiconn is guessing a lot tonight
00:17:35JdGordonif its another small change then go for it.. ill move h100 today after my exam, so ill probably beat you to it anyway
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00:37:35amiconnJdGordon: No, it won't be a small change
00:38:05amiconnMore of an asm blob
00:38:14JdGordonh1x0 adc?
00:38:20JdGordonah ok
00:38:26amiconnWon't happen today or tomorrow though
00:38:35JdGordonok cool
00:39:43JdGordonI dont want to commit that patch untill I get the ok from someone.. and anyway it will have to wait till this arvo
00:40:00JdGordonanyway, breaky then cram for exam, so ttyl
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00:44:47preglowand i'm out, later all
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01:04:21rr332211Hey. I just got a 4g greyscale iPod yesterday. I've been messing around with putting various things on it, and right now, I'm working on Rockdoom. I've been searching all over, and all I can find is the Rockdoom wad, but no way to actually run it.
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01:05:53peturplugins -> doom ?
01:06:09petur_if_ ipod 4gen is supported
01:06:23rr3322111Would it not be, due to it being greyscale?
01:06:34peturcheck the wiki page
01:06:56rr3322111Which one?
01:07:17rr3322111Everything seems scattered and confusing.
01:07:39rr3322111I've been looking at this one:
01:07:44Soapthe manual discusses every pluggin for your particular model.
01:08:06Soapand yea, that wiki page should do the trick also, one sec.
01:08:18peturseems it's supported.
01:08:41peturso you must go to the menu -> browse plugins -> doom
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01:10:18rr3322111I was looking at the rockboy just a few minutes ago, and finally found out (I think?) that my model doesn't support it. And it runs from browsing, NOT as a plugin.
01:10:27rr3322111I guess I mixed them up. Testing...just a second.
01:11:01rr3322111Missing Base Wad
01:11:25rr3322111I know I saw this on the forums...searching. :P
01:13:02rr3322111Apparently I need rockdoom.wad ... which I already have.
01:13:40petur... in the correct place ...
01:15:14peturno idea - don't do games
01:15:23rr3322111Well that sucks.
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01:15:57peturthe wiki page should tell you all you need to know
01:16:56rr3322111It didn't tell me much more than that...
01:16:59Davide-NYCdoes the H1x0 have a PCF50606? will the recent commit benefit only H3x0?
01:18:17Soaprr3322111 - the manual for your model has model-specific instructions.
01:19:36amiconnDavide-NYC: The commit msg clearly says H300. The H1x0 has no pcf50606
01:19:55Davide-NYCthat's what I thought, thanks for the confirm
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01:20:24amiconnBefore that commit, the h300 had a slight cpu penalty compared to h1x0 (~3.5% at 45MHz, and ~2% at 124Mhz)
01:20:35amiconnNow it has a slight advantage :P
01:21:24rr3322111I needed to get the Doom Shareware wad, as well :-P
01:22:26Davide-NYCamiconn: thanks
01:24:12Davide-NYCI'm getting a lot of make warnings and it's telling me to upgrade to 3.81. I cannot build a sim
01:24:15rr3322111It runs! Impressive, although slow/hard to see. :P
01:24:29Davide-NYCusing VMWare image
01:24:39Davide-NYCjust did a cvs up -dPC
01:25:06Davide-NYCso it should be like a cvs checout.
01:25:30amiconnYou should only get exactly one warning to upgrade 'make'
01:25:44amiconnApart from being slower than with a recent make, the build should work
01:26:17Davide-NYCI get a whole bunch of errors inside misc.c and misc.h and then the following:
01:26:19Davide-NYCmake[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-devel/sim.H1x0/apps/misc.o] Error 1
01:26:20Davide-NYCmake: *** [all] Error 2
01:26:49Davide-NYCany ideas?
01:26:49amiconnThen there's something up with your misc.c/misc.h
01:27:00Davide-NYCbut I just did a cvs up -dPC
01:27:01JdGordonDavide-NYC: also, u might need to rerun configure
01:27:07Davide-NYCdid that
01:27:19peturand make clean?
01:27:28Davide-NYCno, what's that?
01:27:41peturfresh build
01:27:44Davide-NYCI deleted the contents of the sim dir and reconfiged
01:27:47Davide-NYCsame thing?
01:27:47peturah ok
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01:28:25Davide-NYCI can do a fresh checkout if y'all think that makes a diff/
01:28:40*JdGordon is doing a sim build to check if its just you
01:28:46Davide-NYCJdGordon: thanks
01:28:55*petur walks away
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01:29:35JdGordonno problems here
01:29:53Davide-NYCI will recheckout then
01:32:00Davide-NYC" cvs co -d . rockbox-devel" this will do a checkout into my current dir right?
01:33:27amiconnHmm, maybe you checked out using sticky date/tags before
01:33:57amiconnIiuc cvs up -C doesn't reset sticky tags
01:34:27Davide-NYCI just COed into a sub folder and will move it all up a level
01:34:35Davide-NYCbrute force again
01:34:41*Davide-NYC looks for hammer
01:34:45amiconnNever move cvs working copies
01:34:55amiconnYou're calling for problems
01:35:20Davide-NYCI want to start from clean CVS co though
01:36:53amiconnHmm, maybe it's not such a big problem to move cvs working copies as I thought...
01:37:22Davide-NYCI've done it before. But only because I don;t know what I'm doing
01:37:28Davide-NYCbut it worked
01:37:33amiconnI still prefer checking out into the dir where I want the copy though...
01:38:01scorcheDavide-NYC: just delete misc.c/h and re-checkout
01:38:16scorchealthough, i just got here...
01:38:27Davide-NYCno no, that exactly what I should do
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01:59:11Pajama-BHey, got an iriver question
01:59:51Pajama-BI'm blind, so when I use the Korean firmware does it show up in Korean? or in English
02:01:31Paul_the_NerdI'd guess it defaults to Korean. I'm not terribly sure why it matters if you're going to be using Rockbox.
02:02:54Pajama-BBecause there's this weird problem. when the iriver is plugged in, it won't boot into rockbox.
02:02:54Paul_the_NerdIf you need someone sighted to navigate through them for you, there should be English-language default ones that you can upgrade with for Rockbox.
02:03:09Pajama-Bbut it will load rockbox on battery
02:04:33Pajama-Bdoes anybody else have this issue? it doesn't even make sense?
02:05:15Paul_the_NerdI assume you mean H300 then? Or are you talking H10?
02:06:08Paul_the_NerdUnfortunately I can't help much with such a thing, as I'm not familiar with the issues it has relating to charging.
02:06:15Paul_the_NerdThat, and I have to go. But good luck. :)
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02:09:04Davide-NYCPajama-B: hold on I'll get my 300
02:09:39Genre9mp3Pajama-B: When the iriver is plugged in it boots in the original firmware
02:09:55Genre9mp3and start charging from there
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02:10:57Davide-NYCI believe that is the current intended behavior
02:11:04Genre9mp3To boot to Rockbox from that state, unplug the player, hold stop to turn the player off and then boot to rockbox as you would normally do
02:11:11Davide-NYCthere is still work to be done on the charging circuit
02:11:13Genre9mp3Yes, it's intended
02:11:30Genre9mp3The bootloader can't charge the unit at the moment
02:11:42Davide-NYCIt'll charge once rockbox is booted
02:11:46Genre9mp3That's why it boots to the retailOS
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02:12:35Pajama-Boh good i thought it was the unit i would have to send back or something
02:12:54Genre9mp3no... everything is fine with the player
02:13:49Pajama-Bthanks thats good to know
02:14:16Pajama-Bwho was that guy that wanted to try to fix my broke 120?
02:15:42Davide-NYCthat was jhMikeS
02:16:16Pajama-Bthat's what i thought. I pmed him and he didn't answer
02:16:52Davide-NYCI lloked at the method descibed at Mistic River
02:17:03Davide-NYCit's just a matter of removing capacitors
02:17:14Pajama-Bif that's what's wrong with it anyway
02:17:44Pajama-Bit does get hot though
02:17:48Pajama-Bso something's up
02:18:42Davide-NYCif he doesn;t want it I'll give it a try. No promises though
02:18:52Pajama-Byeah. that's okay
02:19:28Pajama-Bthe only part that annoys me is i paid $90 for it
02:19:44Davide-NYCThat's a good price!
02:19:51Davide-NYCIf it were working
02:19:51Pajama-Byeah, if it would work.. heh
02:20:05Pajama-Bi paid 180 for my 40
02:20:16Davide-NYCthat's a correct price
02:20:25Pajama-Band it works fine, UPC sticker is worn htough.. I don't know if I want to know what they were doing with it...
02:20:41Davide-NYCusing it to light matches
02:21:16Davide-NYCI actually might downgrade from my 140 to a 120
02:21:28Davide-NYCThe 140 is just a tad thick
02:21:28Pajama-Bdid you get your's new?
02:21:50Pajama-Byeah it's a little thicker than the 20
02:22:45Davide-NYCit's just not "pocket friendly"
02:23:01Pajama-Bmine fits in my pocket okay.
02:23:17Davide-NYCI must wear soe skintight pants then.
02:23:40Pajama-BI got one for doing recording. I don't know of anything else that doesn't suck. the new sonmy md's broke the preamp and the r-09 sucks
02:24:47Pajama-Bit was made to replace the r-1
02:24:49Davide-NYCI that edirol or something?
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02:25:44Davide-NYCwhy do you say it sucks?
02:26:27Pajama-Btoo much quantization noise
02:26:45Pajama-Bthe r-1 is cleaner
02:26:51Davide-NYCWhat abou the M-Audio Micro track?
02:27:05Pajama-Bi'm not sure about that one
02:27:53Pajama-Bthat's the only problem i have with the r-1, i don't think it would fit in a pocket
02:28:03Pajama-Band I like to record concerts so...
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02:28:37Davide-NYCThe M-Audio says Phantom Power but I'm not sure that means full 48volt
02:28:52Davide-NYCif it does AND sounds good it should be reallt cool
02:30:02*Davide-NYC none of this is specifically rockbox related and am waiting to get yelled at by Paul
02:30:45Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: He is not here! :P
02:31:12Davide-NYCVoice Files do not work if you put the rockbox.iriver fil inside the .rockbox folder.
02:31:20Davide-NYCis this a bug?
02:31:55Pajama-BI've never had that problem. but then again i haven't upgraded in awhile, since like the first of the month
02:32:04*Pajama-B is bad
02:32:32Davide-NYCas long as you leave the rockbox file in the root of the player it's fine.
02:32:52Davide-NYCI like to put it in the .rockbox folder and it was totally broken for me.
02:32:59Davide-NYChard reset crashes
02:33:13JdGordonput that on FS
02:33:18JdGordonthats a bad bug then!
02:33:40JdGordoniirc there is some half-hearted plans to move the rockbox file into .rockbox
02:34:15Davide-NYCI will post a bug report right away
02:34:37Davide-NYCUrghh, what category do I use!
02:34:55JdGordoni dunno.. they arnt very clear are they :D
02:35:14Davide-NYCUser Interface then
02:35:31Davide-NYCSeverity = High?
02:35:33JdGordonno, OS/drivers
02:35:36JdGordonna, medium
02:35:57Davide-NYCwhat do you call the rockbox file?
02:36:42scorchefirmware image?
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02:37:23Davide-NYCVoice Files cause crash when firmware inage inside '.rockbox' folder.
02:37:31JdGordonnot for me it doesnt
02:37:48Davide-NYCwhat target?
02:37:53scorchewait...why are you putting the firmware image in the .rockbox folder?
02:38:30Davide-NYCI just do. I like to not have anything except folders in root
02:38:40Davide-NYCand it is supported
02:39:11JdGordonscorche: there was plans to move it there to neaten up /
02:39:17Davide-NYCJdGordon: I have to check my H1x0 without the big rec patch
02:39:24JdGordonthat could be it
02:39:27scorcheJdGordon: not possible on all devices...i think
02:39:34JdGordonbetter try it with a clean cvs
02:39:45JdGordonScoTTie: yeah, but on those that is possible it should be
02:40:06*scorche isnt ScoTTie
02:40:21Pajama-Blol tab
02:43:21Davide-NYCIt seems that the big rec patch will break voice when the firmware image is inside the folder.
02:43:26Davide-NYCotherwise all is well
02:43:33Davide-NYCno patch, no problem
02:43:53JdGordonok, well there you go :D
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02:44:22TempisHello, can someone answer a question for me?
02:44:35JdGordonthank you ... please come again
02:44:42Tempiswow, that was quick
02:44:52Tempisfast service here
02:44:56JdGordonthat was also your one question...
02:45:17Tempisso this isn't like a genie three wishes kinda thing?
02:45:48scorchewell, you said "a" question
02:45:57Tempiswell, I have another question
02:46:13scorchewe cant accept that one
02:46:19scorcheyou have to exit and then come back in
02:46:24scorcheand then ask again of course
02:46:46Tempisactually, come to think of it, it's not actually a question about rockbox
02:46:51JdGordonTempis (hopefully) learns to just ask, and not ask to ask
02:47:03TempisI have an Archos Recorder 10
02:47:05scorchewe can only hope...
02:47:15scorcheTempis: that is a statement
02:47:23Tempisand I put some newer, high capacity NiHM batteries in it
02:47:35Tempisthey don't seem to be charging
02:47:47scorchecharging fully or charging at all?
02:47:49Tempisjust wondering what the problem might be
02:48:11Tempiswell it's been on the charger since last night and it hasn't moved much at all
02:48:35scorcheis this using rockbox to charge or archos firmware?
02:48:52Tempisgood question
02:49:04TempisI have rockbox on it
02:49:12Tempisbut I don't have it loaded into the flash rom
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02:49:32TempisI was considering flashing it
02:49:35scorcheso is it charging in archos or rockbox?
02:49:49Tempishow would I tell?
02:50:00scorchewell, is rockbox running or not?
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02:50:20TempisRockbox loads when I turn it on
02:50:31Tempisbut I suppose it's not running when I just plug it in
02:50:42scorcheif it isnt flashed, it is charging in archos
02:50:50scorcheboot rockbox first, then charge
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02:51:01scorcheor plug it in and then hold on till rockbox begins to boot
02:51:33scorchealso, change the mah setting in rockbox
02:51:41TempisI did that
02:51:50Tempisso I guess flashing it would be wise
02:52:02scorchecharging in archos firmware has always taken a long time...and it will not charge higher mah batteries to their max
02:52:10TempisI was rather apprehensive about doing that in case I screwed something up and ended up with just a brick
02:52:19scorcheflashing it is always wise
02:52:44scorcheas long as you follow the directions and dont have an empty battery, you shouldnt brick it
02:52:46Tempisis there a limit to the capacity batteries you can put in it?
02:53:02scorchethere is, but the batteries havent caught up with it yet
02:53:10TempisI bought some 2650mAh ones
02:53:13Tempisoh good
02:53:38scorchealso, look at the wiki page RomBox for doing it
02:54:00Tempisyour help is much appreciated
02:54:28scorcheas i updated that recently to coincide with my patch that removes tagcache to allow building to rombox
02:54:29TempisI wish I would have done some homework before buying this one, I didn't realize that the Recorder 10 didn't have usb 2.0
02:54:48scorcheyeah...usb 1.1 sucks indeed
02:55:00scorcheand it requires archos drives
02:55:10JdGordonbut its a regular 2.5" hdd.. so open it up and plug it straight into the computer
02:55:32scorcheprrt...that is a pain ;)
02:55:43TempisI might be opening it up soon anyway
02:55:45*scorche chooses to stop correcting his typos
02:55:49Tempisgonna pop a 60GB drive in it
02:56:21Tempisany idea how long it should take to get a full charge on it?
02:56:23scorchethat is what makes the archos devices worth it still (to me at least), is that you can pop a very large drive in them
02:56:46TempisI love my Archos
02:56:49Tempisit's my second one
02:56:51scorchewhen the battery level gets to 100% =)
02:57:13TempisI had a Studio 10 for a couple of years, but it finally died
02:57:46Tempisoh, another question... I bought a universal car charger, but I don't know what voltage setting to put it on
02:58:01JdGordon5v i would guess
02:58:08JdGordonbut check the player first
02:58:13scorchedont guess...
02:58:24JdGordonit shuold have the symbol next to the AC plug on it
02:58:25Tempisyeah, I didn't want to guess either
02:58:48TempisI didn't see anything on the unit, but I ddin't think about looking on the ac adapter
02:58:54Tempisgood call
03:00:03TempisI'm looking on the wiki page, but I don't see anything called RomBox
03:00:18scorchetype it into the box at the top
03:00:27scorchecaps sensitive
03:00:30Tempisah ha
03:00:51Tempisyou're 3 for 3 tonight scorche
03:01:03Tempisgot the hat trick
03:01:35Davide-NYCback in 20 minutes
03:05:24scorcheTempis: btw (forgot about that question), what are the specs of your car charger?
03:05:38TempisI don't know off hand
03:05:46Tempisand it's out in the car
03:06:09scorchefind out
03:06:11Tempisit's not that big a deal at the moment
03:06:36scorchewell, the stock is 9V 600mA
03:06:38TempisI was more worried about the current charging situation, which you have graciously helped me with
03:06:57scorchei would recommend a regulated 12V 1A though
03:07:04Tempisit's just a generic car charger I bought at Best Buy
03:07:21scorchewell, find out the specs before you plug it in
03:08:05scorchecenter positive of course
03:09:18scorcheTempis: are you able to compile a new build for rombox?
03:09:31TempisI haven't tried yet
03:09:39TempisI'll probably wait till tomorrow to do it
03:09:47scorchewell, do you have the cross-compiler set up and all
03:09:56TempisI want to make sure the recorder gets a full charge
03:10:17TempisI am quite sleep deprived right now and want to wait till I'm fully alert
03:10:28scorchewell, if you are not able to compile it yourself, come back here and ask for me
03:10:32TempisI don't want to screw it up because I am tired
03:10:42TempisI'll just idle here
03:10:47Tempisbut thanks
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03:20:54Tempisdoes anyone still sell archos accessories
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03:25:28scorchei believe there is one place
03:25:36scorchebut what accessories would you want?
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03:31:01Tempisjust wondering if there is anything cool out there
03:31:24Tempisit does seem to be charging correctly now
03:31:53Tempisbut I'll know for sure tomorrow
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03:33:54scorcheyou can check on the battery screen in the debug menu
03:34:04scorchewatch the voltage increase
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04:46:42mechanorican anyone tell me where the log is stored?
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04:53:21aliaskmechanori: In a file called .scrobbler.log
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05:13:27yipehey rockboxers, does anyone have an older copy of the ipod firmware?
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05:14:13yipesome idiot fuck at apple decided that the diskmode screen and the charging screen should have the backlight stay on, and now I can't sleep in the same room as my ipod
05:15:00Paul_the_Nerdyipe: Turn it over.
05:15:37yipeI know, I know, but you can still see the glowing outline on the bottom of this thing
05:15:40midkayit's really dim - what is the ipod, like facing you from one foot away?
05:15:56yipesomeone's gotta have an older firmware, you extracted it when you installed
05:15:56Pajama-BHey. we're having this issue with the 300 when using voice, browsing menu options or going to play a file, the drive just shuts off
05:16:16yipeI have one, small room, yes it's right by me
05:16:20midkayhuh? a dim glowing outline prevents you from sleeping? shouldn't your eyes be closed?
05:16:29yipeit bugs me okay?
05:16:39yipeI don't question your fucking quirks
05:16:50Tempissuch hostility
05:17:06yipedamn right, I want to sleep
05:17:13yipeI'm pissed off
05:17:23midkaygood luck getting help.. *wanders off*
05:17:37scorcheand you really are convincing people that they should send you yours..
05:18:00yipeif nothing else, help me out and I'll chill out and go away
05:18:19TempisI don't own an iPod, so I'm out
05:18:19Paul_the_Nerdyipe: Put something over it, put it in a drawer, put it behind something face down... there are many, many solutions.
05:18:22scorcheor we can ignore you, and you will go away
05:18:40Paul_the_Nerdyipe: Or install Rockbox, charge it in Rockbox with the backlight disabled, and shush.
05:18:58yipeI have rockbox
05:19:29yipebut when you plug in the ipod with rockbox, it switches to the default firmware's disk mode,
05:19:37Paul_the_NerdSo, I can see that you haven't read the FAQ
05:19:54yipeand some moron at apple who wasn't thinking at all, decided he'd start changing things around
05:20:14yipeI have read the FAQ, if you wanna remind me of some specific portion go ahead, but don't start making assumptions
05:20:18Paul_the_NerdYou can charge from within Rockbox, so quit complaining about Apple's decisions in a channel that doesn't care what the Apple firmware does or does not do.
05:20:26aliaskyipe: Hold menu when you insert the cable.
05:20:38Paul_the_Nerdyipe: I know you haven't read it well, because I wrote it. You can charge by holding Menu while inserting the USB cable, after already being in Rockbox.
05:21:08yipeoh wow, you wrote it, that makes you a damn mind-reader does it?
05:21:26yipereading /= memorising
05:21:29Tempisyou really aren't making people want to help you
05:23:15aliaskGigabeat X series are very hard to find.
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05:23:28Paul_the_Nerdyipe: My point was that your problem could've been solved by simply reading the documentation instead of assuming that a solution didn't exist and/or complaining about an Apple feature that none of us have anything to do with.
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05:24:17yipeyou'd think you'd agree with a complaint about apple's firmware
05:24:31Paul_the_NerdI'd think that I don't care to hear it.
05:24:36Paul_the_NerdEspecially more than once.
05:24:39yipecomplain about something stupid in windows in a linux chan, it's nothing but toasts and heart hurrahs
05:24:54yipe"damn right they're dumb"
05:25:10Paul_the_NerdThis is #Rockbox, not #applesux. We don't deal exclusively with Apple players, and we're a replacement firmware which means it really doesn't matter what bugs exist in the original.
05:25:29Paul_the_NerdWhile I understand the need to vent, you repeated yourself about it, which was unnecessary, and were unneedingly hostile toward someone else here.
05:25:53yipeI said I DON'T question his quirks
05:26:20Paul_the_NerdYes, but your tone was clearly hostile as indicated by your choice of language.
05:26:49yipeswearing does not imply hostility
05:27:09Tempistaken in context it does
05:27:20Paul_the_NerdI think to most of us that statement seemed hostile
05:27:31Paul_the_NerdEspecially since this is a technical channel, and we try to avoid such language in most cases.
05:27:48yipeonly to minds that lack subtlety, I can be angry and talk to someone and not be angry AT the person I'm talking to
05:28:28yipeand besides, who's he to question whether a LIGHT bothers me when I want to sleep? Again "I don't question your fucking quirks"
05:28:38Paul_the_NerdSo, you were angry at something unrelated to the statement, but consciously chose to express unnecessary anger in that statement?
05:29:04TempisI have a technical question when the current conversation has exhausted itself
05:29:10Paul_the_NerdTempis: Feel free to ask
05:29:15yipeyou never told somebody about something that pissed you off, in a tone that expressed how you felt?
05:29:31yipeare you ben stein with a constant monotone?
05:29:34Tempiswhat would cause the batteries in an archos recorder 10 to become scalding hot
05:29:44Paul_the_Nerdyipe: I never type an expression of anger in a statement that was not meant to express anger about what was being said.
05:29:51yipeNO, you express yourself, you're a human being with emotions and when you talk about them you let them out
05:29:53Paul_the_NerdTempis: Proper charger?
05:30:02Tempisit wasn't on a charger at the time
05:30:03Paul_the_Nerdyipe: I said TYPE
05:30:06Tempisand hadn't been for hours
05:30:18Paul_the_Nerdyipe: When you type you have this wonderful opportunity to read things before pressing enter, therefor not saying things you don't mean.
05:30:31Paul_the_NerdTempis: The player was on and became hot?
05:30:43Tempisit was off, if I remember correctly
05:30:57TempisI was holding it and noticed it getting hot
05:31:04yipeso I take it you type 5 words a minute? 'Cause I type pretty damn fast, and my little finger heads right for htat enter key when I'm done
05:31:11TempisI had been listening to it a few minutes before
05:31:22Tempisbut it didn't start to get hot till after I shut it off
05:31:23Paul_the_NerdTempis: Strange. Unfortunately I'm not terribly familiar with that hardware, so I can't really offer any advice. I don't know much about the normal operation, or what could cause it.
05:31:40scorcheit is strange...
05:32:09scorchethere should be no activity going on after turning off that would make them hot
05:32:11TempisI took the batteries out before the whole thing melted down
05:32:33TempisI don't think it was the archos that was getting hot
05:32:54yipeand btw Paul, your replacement firmware relies on the original firmware everytime you want to load files onto the device, you SHOULD care what apple does, because it does affect you
05:33:02scorcheyeah, but for batteries to get hot, there typically is something that they are doing
05:33:20Paul_the_Nerdyipe: Our replacement firmware has NOT BEEN RELEASED YET. Its final version should not rely upon that.
05:33:22Tempiswell, that's what prompted me to get these new ones
05:33:48Paul_the_Nerdyipe: If you are unwilling to recognize that you are a tester and not a user, feel free to uninstall it.
05:34:27Paul_the_NerdTempis: Can you reproduce the heating, or was it a one-time only thing (understandable if you haven't tried, for fear of damaging of course :))
05:34:41Tempisit was a one-time thing
05:34:49TempisI just thought it was odd
05:35:00Paul_the_NerdIt is odd
05:35:14Tempisdidn't know if perhaps it might be a known issue with these things
05:35:14Paul_the_NerdCould be some sort of short, I suppose
05:35:18aliaskBatteries generally get hot/warm when in use
05:35:36TempisI don't know much about NiHM batteries
05:36:10aliaskOh! I think it might be because the reactants in the battery are reacting directly, not via the electrolyte. It would be an exothermic reaction and thus produce heat. (Hooray for chemistry)
05:36:31aliaskSo damaged battery?
05:36:36Tempisthat's as good an explanation as any
05:36:43TempisI tossed them
05:36:49Tempisdidn't want to take a chance
05:37:10aliaskIf that was the case you'd be getting crappy runtimes from the batteries anyway
05:37:12Tempisthey got so hot that the plastic coating on the batteries started to melt
05:37:34Tempisthey stayed very hot for quite a long time
05:37:43TempisI just let them sit there on the table
05:37:58scorcheyeah...some kind of reaction must have been going on inside then
05:38:04TempisI did notice that they ran down qutie quickly, but I didn't know if that was normal or not
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05:38:54TempisI'm going to attempt to flash the firmware tomorrow
05:39:33Tempisit seems to have taken a full charge in just a few hours
05:39:38Tempisso that's good
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05:46:10zehmm so my mom just got an 80G ipod.. i guess it's the "5.5th" generation, and thus unsupported?
05:46:24zewill it be supported?
05:46:39Pajama-Bi got the latest build for the 300 and when browsing through menus or playing files when using voice, the drive shuts off hard...
05:49:30Pajama-Bwhen i try to turn it back on, it shuts off again. if I keep trying, it does so more quickly each time until it will hardly turn on at all
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06:02:31Paul_the_NerdPajama-B: What exactly happens? Saying the drive shuts off hard doesn't really describe how your player's acting, and it's hard to know what you mean by it.
06:03:11Pajama-Bit doesn't spin down or anything just goes off suddenly
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06:12:12daurn|afkdoes it click?
06:12:31Pajama-Byeah it clicks right off
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06:48:15JdGordondoes anyone know if CONFIG_CPU == MCF5249 for any targets other than iriver hxxx and the x5?
06:49:23scorchewell, those are the only targets that have that CPU..
06:49:45JdGordonyeah.. thats what i mean
06:49:52JdGordondevcie chart says no
06:49:56scorchewell, x5 has a 5250
06:50:14JdGordonyeah, i got confused
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07:03:27jdhoreotghow do i get back to the file vrowser easily from the WPS?
07:03:38Paul_the_Nerdjdhoreotg: What kind of player?
07:03:44jdhoreotgiPod 4G
07:03:50Paul_the_NerdTap the select button
07:04:00jdhoreotgwow...that easy?
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07:06:32Paul_the_NerdIs there some reason it should be complicated? ;)
07:07:08jdhoreotgi just assumed it would be, i guess...
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07:11:03EnterUserNamewhats the best music format for best quality yet smallest disk size?
07:11:26jdhoreotgOGG, i think
07:11:30jdhoreotgi use AAC though
07:11:46EnterUserNamelet me try
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07:24:50JdGordonanyone here have an iriver h1x0?
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07:31:16edanhi all
07:32:21edanI want to set up the cross compiler on Ubuntu Edgy. What do I need installed to build the cross compiler?
07:32:57jchillerupapt-get it
07:34:54BHSPitMonkeyit'd be nice if someone packaged the cross-compilers for edgy
07:35:11BHSPitMonkeyon that note, I've been meaning to start tinkering with packaging when I get some spare time, so I might look at that
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07:38:28davehey all
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07:38:51EnterUserNameany progress with flac and oggs on nanos? . I dont know if u guys know but it crashes it :)
07:39:09Paul_the_NerdWhat build are you using?
07:39:21EnterUserNamelast nights build 1am
07:39:41Paul_the_NerdHave you tried updating to a CVS build, there's mention of changes to related code in the changelog...
07:39:42edandon't think I've had any probs with ogg on my nano
07:39:49JdGordonPaul_the_Nerd: you have a h100 dont you?
07:39:59Paul_the_NerdJdGordon: I'm not home, though. =/
07:40:41Paul_the_NerdI have one, but it's not with me.
07:40:49JdGordondamn, ok
07:41:12Paul_the_NerdSorry. Why do you need one?
07:41:27JdGordoni moved it into target tree and want someone to test the build
07:43:21EnterUserNameok using cvs bleeding edge lol :)
07:43:26EnterUserNamelets see if i kill it
07:43:37EnterUserNameeject /dev/sdb
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07:44:59EnterUserNamehmm the oggs still killing it :S
07:45:46edando all oggs do it?
07:46:02EnterUserNamethe screen just goes blank ya it happens randomly
07:46:15EnterUserNamesame with flac im trying to listen
07:46:30scorcheEnterUserName: are you using the eq, crossfade, or have a WPS that uses peak meters?
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07:46:48EnterUserNameOh. Yes. I'm using RockAmp-Blue
07:47:02EnterUserNamewould that cause it? saiy it is crashing the ipod?
07:47:25EnterUserNameYes. It just stops and the screen goes black
07:47:51scorcheand you have to reboot after that?
07:47:59EnterUserNameyup let me verify it
07:48:10*scorche didnt read up
07:48:40EnterUserNameYes.. im playing ogg and whuile im switching songs (or flac) it goes black the screen and everytrhign stops
07:48:58Paul_the_NerdAnd this never happens with MP3?
07:49:14EnterUserNameit may have not been fully upgraded gimme a sec
07:49:29EnterUserNamehmm its not crashing yet :)..
07:50:10EnterUserNamehmm it did some type of "installation complete"
07:51:15EnterUserNamethe ipod said installation complete after booting up.. i think that might have fixed it(after installing a cvs bleeding edge build)
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07:51:41*JdGordon summons sweden to wake up!
07:52:05*scorche has never seen "installation complete"
07:52:16EnterUserNameReally wierd :) Well its not doing it now.. <Shrug>
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07:53:06EnterUserNamemebbe it was just a bug in the previous build i was using. Offtopic which takes more cpu OGG or flac
07:53:59scorcheatm OGG i believe...but then again, flacs are bigger so they have to retrieve the information faster
07:54:34Paul_the_NerdEnterUserName: FLAC takes the least CPU of just about anything but WAV, but because of the size it doesn't use less battery power just because of disk spinups
07:54:55EnterUserNamei use USB Flash (its nano)
07:55:07EnterUserNameso if i were to save battery mp3 or flac or ogg?
07:55:14Paul_the_NerdOn a Nano, if you can fit the FLAC files, you may as well use 'em.
07:55:24EnterUserNamehmm ok
07:55:53EnterUserNamethank you all for your help.. its really nice modifications cant wait to see the battery longer its not too bad though.. i get about 6-8 hours
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07:59:34JdGordon8 builds later, i can safely say my patch is safe :D
07:59:44JdGordonbloody target and sim builds for 4 targets :'(
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08:00:50Paul_the_NerdIt'd be neat if configure just had a "Test All" option that built and made clean for all of the targets.
08:01:05JdGordonye, that would be nice
08:01:16hcsI've a script that does that
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08:01:51JdGordonhow long does it take to run everything?
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08:02:29hcsI don't know, I don't actually use it for everything, just a few builds, but it runs off a list of numbers
08:03:00JdGordoncan u make it available please?
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08:03:39bluebrothergrrr. Seems like a new "bug" in the tracker again.
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08:04:26JdGordonhcs, ta, nice n simple :)
08:05:03hcsJdGordon: that's how I like it, I'd rather spend 15 minutes writing something that's going to run for an hour anyway than spend a lot of time worrying about it
08:05:53hcsI have a bunch of extra stuff applying patches and doing renames in my version, so I can get different platform builds for the NSF patch
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08:07:40edanoh COOL
08:08:05edanI updated rb in a few days and see the fade-on-stop/pause is fixed on the Nano
08:08:16edanit now fades smoothly
08:08:32edanah bum. no it doesn't. oh well
08:09:19edanit sort of does.. I think
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08:11:53EnterUserNameedan thanks for you nano work :)
08:12:10edanwhat anno work?
08:12:12EnterUserNameDo you have an extended battery on your nano
08:12:18EnterUserNameyer one of the developers right :)
08:12:26EnterUserNameoh so if you play oggs does it eat up alot of battery
08:12:29EnterUserNameim testing itout
08:12:44edanI just compile it myself cos I want the album art patch
08:12:55EnterUserNameis that in the next build
08:12:57edanI'll check an ogg now tho to be sure
08:13:00EnterUserNamethe album art patch would be great :)
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08:13:08edancompile it yourself dude
08:13:12edanthat's what I do
08:13:33edanjust get the patches from flyspray and apply them then compile yourself
08:13:41edanhere, I'll make it REALLY easy for you in fact
08:13:51edanthere you go
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08:14:28hcshey there, faulty
08:14:45EnterUserNamewhat kind of patches are there edan... as an example that u use?
08:14:47edan is the album art patch
08:14:59edanrigh tnear the bottom is the latest version of the patch
08:15:41edanand you'll need this too:
08:15:58edanapply that bmp_resize patch before the albumart one
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08:16:25EnterUserNameok . i'll try it out tomorrow
08:16:31edanbut read that guide
08:16:41edanit gives clear, step-by-step instructions
08:16:44EnterUserNameany patches to save up battery :)
08:17:21EnterUserNameim using linux but im sure i can find one :)
08:17:35EnterUserNamebut thank you ;) i'll try it tomorrow its 2am here
08:17:50edanok. setting up linux for compiling rockbox is REALLY easy thanks to bagder
08:18:07edanhe wrote I think
08:18:12BagderI did
08:18:26edanhey Bagder
08:18:33edanmakes it nice and easy. heh
08:18:38edanfor us n00bs
08:18:59EnterUserNamelooking over the windows th ing it looks like it uses linux
08:19:12EnterUserNamewith vmplayer
08:19:12Bagderyou mean cygwin?
08:19:16edanit does vis VMWare
08:19:36Bagdervmware or cygwin are the two routes you can select from on windows
08:19:44JdGordonor colinx...
08:19:46EnterUserNameoh ok.. I use suse.. so ill skip a bunch
08:19:48EnterUserNamecolinux rocks: )
08:19:49JdGordon3 routes :p
08:20:01EnterUserNameThank you all for your help .. i got the web pages marked: )
08:20:02Bagderright, colinux is there but nobody is using that is there?
08:20:10JdGordonprobably not..
08:20:17edanhey. any of you using ntfs-3g?
08:20:21Bagderso I would not recommend colinux due to that
08:20:26edanare there any horror stories from using it?
08:20:43EnterUserNameedan: any screen shots?
08:20:48EnterUserNameu have for your album art
08:20:48edanof what?
08:20:53edanoh. yep
08:20:55edanhold on
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08:20:59JdGordonBagder: ive moved both the h100 and the h300 to target tree and everything compiles cleanly and works, should i commit it? or would you rather someone checks the patch first?
08:21:40BagderJdGordon: have a word with amiconn and/or Linus first
08:21:53JdGordonok, damn them for sleeping in!
08:22:02EnterUserNameDo you use amarok?
08:22:13BagderJdGordon: you know them, lazy bastards! ;-P
08:22:24EnterUserNameWhos linus :) Is that linus from Kernel :)
08:22:36Bagderfrom the Rockbox kernel ;-)
08:22:39EnterUserNameoh ok
08:22:43EnterUserNamei thought it was THE linus :)
08:22:50JdGordonit is THE Linus
08:22:53Paul_the_NerdHe is THE Linus to us.
08:22:56EnterUserNamefrom Linux kernel to?
08:22:57EnterUserNameoh hehe
08:23:00JdGordonthe other one is a loser :D
08:23:04*EnterUserName laughs
08:23:13Paul_the_NerdLinusT is all flash and showbiz. :-P
08:23:16EnterUserNamewell I'll name my kid Linus maybe its the name and stuff :)
08:23:29Bagderno, its the mother language ;-)
08:23:31JdGordonunless your from scandinavia your not allowed to!
08:24:09EnterUserNamenot bad..
08:24:11edanthjat's my wps
08:24:37EnterUserNameI like it showing the bitrates though.. maybe i wont do it or maybe i'll just doit to see what it looks like
08:24:49EnterUserNameor maybe i'll do it to sell it to my friend who has a 1 gig ipod ;)
08:24:50edanI don't care about the bitrate any more
08:25:05edannor so I care what codec it is. heh
08:25:08EnterUserNameerk she may have a second generation :)
08:25:14EnterUserNameill have to double check
08:25:15JdGordonthe nano screen is way to small to have AA.. but then again i prefer seeing the name of the song instead of the cd cover
08:25:26edanor pretty much anything else. I just wanted track time, track name, album name and album art
08:25:45EnterUserNameDid they have 1 gig first generation nanos
08:26:08JdGordonim pretty sure they did
08:26:21Paul_the_NerdActually, as a neat WPS idea, would be very very large album art of the back of the CD case, with the track highlighted, using per-song art.
08:26:24EnterUserNameEdan: thanx :)
08:26:37EnterUserNameEdan; do you use amarok to transfer over your files?
08:26:37Paul_the_NerdI mean, the WPS itself would just be %C or whatever.
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08:26:53edanEnterUserName, : nope. I use nautilus
08:27:00EnterUserNameoh ok
08:27:03EnterUserNameso you just drag and drop?
08:27:06edanor DOpus on Windows (windows explorere replacement)
08:27:08edanI do
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08:27:20*Bagder prefers rsync
08:27:21edan1GB 1G Nano
08:27:34EnterUserNameoh Im playing around with Amarok.. i got it using a TranSkode script to change to ogg
08:27:38EnterUserNameim testing things out :)
08:27:40edanBagder: I also LOOOVE SyncBack on Windows
08:27:53edanerr... transcoding huh....?
08:28:10EnterUserNamechanging my flacs or mp3s
08:28:18EnterUserNameit changes it real quick for some reason
08:28:23edanI'd never transcode
08:28:29scorcheflacs are fine
08:28:32scorchemp3s are not
08:28:34EnterUserNamethere huge though :)
08:28:34edaneven FLAC
08:28:37edanI wouldn't do it
08:28:44scorcheflac is lossless
08:29:07EnterUserNameScorche: u dont like mp3s? Flacs are huge though i didnt realize that
08:29:08Paul_the_NerdSo FLAC->Anything is the same as CD->Anything
08:29:10EnterUserNameits like 20MBS a file :)
08:29:12scorcheso there is no loss in quality
08:29:26Paul_the_Nerdscorche: Well, there's no *additional* loss to quality beyond the encoding loss
08:29:36scorcheof course
08:29:54EnterUserNameusing a nano u could only maybe fit like 100 songs?
08:29:56EnterUserNameor less right?
08:30:01hcscan mp3s be made more precise with > 16 bit input?
08:30:01edanCD isn't better than anythign tho... unless it's just stereo
08:30:32*Paul_the_Nerd doesn't understand that sentence.
08:30:44*scorche looked at it and refused to try
08:30:54EnterUserNameIf you use flacs on your nano your looking at 100 songs at the most
08:31:20edanhcs, : I doubt MP3 supports anything >16bit
08:31:55EnterUserNamehmmm. hows oggs?
08:31:55Paul_the_NerdEnterUserName: Your best bet is to just do a private listening test, most people can't hear the difference between either MP3, AAC, or Ogg/Vorbis at a certain quality level than the original CD.
08:32:05edannot would it support anything >48KHz I bet
08:32:09hcsedan: yeah, but I meant if you had access to a more accurate uncompressed source, could you make a more accurate MP3?
08:32:26EnterUserNamePaul: will do :)
08:32:52EnterUserNameSo i'm guessing oggs are better compared to mp3s?
08:33:01edanhcs, interestign quetion really. I dunno
08:33:08BHSPitMonkeyPaul_the_Nerd, I have a really good musical ear, but I frankly can't tell if a bitrate is higher than 128kbps, or how it's compressed :)
08:33:19BHSPitMonkeynor do I really care
08:33:22edanI gather you'll only get 24bit internally within your production software
08:33:36BHSPitMonkeyit's not as striking as looking at a JPEG next to a PNG
08:33:55edanit'd have to make SOME sort of difference tho
08:33:55EnterUserNamei do 192.
08:34:20edanI mean, I write everything at 24bit, 96KHz in Ableton
08:34:41edanbut I can't render to mp3 directly
08:34:51edanI render to wav then convert using Razorlame
08:35:06Paul_the_NerdBHSPitMonkey: MP3 at 128 has a certain quality to me that does offend, but I'll admit I've not ABXed it, so it could very easily be in my head.
08:35:31Paul_the_NerdBHSPitMonkey: But to me at least, if I *think* it sounds better, then I enjoy it more, even if it doesn't really, so I stick with Ogg/Vorbis.
08:35:31edanI know one thing tho.... heh
08:35:52edanthere's a MASSIVE quality diff between 48KHz and 96KHz
08:36:11edana definitely-audible difference
08:36:32BHSPitMonkeyPaul_the_Nerd, I've got nothing against switching over to ogg/vorbis, (I'm all for going Open), and I ripped my first CD in ogg today; the only issue is that it's not a supported standard...
08:36:41BHSPitMonkeyand I know that's a crappy justification
08:37:02edanI'm sort of tempted to buy one of the new 24/192 cards to see how much diff there is between 96KHz and 192KHz
08:37:14BHSPitMonkeybut when it comes to music, I'd rather have it and be using a crappy format, than not have it at all
08:37:14Paul_the_NerdBHSPitMonkey: Oddly, apparently the new iRiver player comes with ripping software that only does WMA or Ogg, not MP3. Or so I hear.
08:37:35BHSPitMonkeyso the irivers themselves play ogg?
08:37:37Paul_the_Nerdedan: Supposedly my laptop has a "high definition" 24/192 audio card built in, but I've got no source and no earphones to do it justice.
08:37:52Paul_the_NerdBHSPitMonkey: Many iRivers do, though I heard the H10 doesn't natively.
08:38:00BHSPitMonkeyPaul_the_Nerd, a cost-cutting move, perhaps?
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08:38:16BHSPitMonkeyor does mp3 encoding not cost them anything to distribute
08:38:26edansounds a but implausible but it's be cool if it were true.. IF it supports ASIO
08:38:43edanif it's not ASIO, it's completely markettign bullshit
08:39:18edan"Yeah dude. Supports 24/192. Never mind the 2sec latency.. it supports 24/192!"
08:39:26BHSPitMonkeysure enough, the iriver homepage boasts ogg
08:39:39daurn|laptopogg ftw
08:39:57Paul_the_Nerdedan: It's that Intel High Definition Audio hardware, whatever that is. Supposed to be 32/192 for stereo actually
08:40:14*Paul_the_Nerd has no clue
08:40:23*Paul_the_Nerd only uses the speakers on his laptop for DVDs.
08:40:46edanheh. what a load of crap THAT sounds like
08:40:52BHSPitMonkeywebsite indicates that H10 doesn't have OGG
08:41:04edan32/192 huh? heh
08:41:06*daurn|laptop only uses his crappy home speaker system & some canalphone
08:41:47Paul_the_Nerdedan: It's apparently some sort of real standard, as far as I can tell from a brief bit of research.
08:41:52*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs
08:41:55*BHSPitMonkey has a decent-sounding surround sound receiver/setup based around this computer
08:42:00*daurn|laptop breaks down into tears
08:42:03BHSPitMonkeyplaying a banshee library!
08:42:16edandaurn|laptop, : do you have a job?
08:42:39daurn|laptopedan: pays crap
08:42:47daurn|laptop& i'm still @ school
08:42:58edanaah there you go then
08:43:11edanthat'd be why you have no money I'm guessing
08:44:14daurn|laptopi need: car, psu, computer, mp3 player, ps3, tv
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08:44:36edanno dude....
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08:44:54edanyou WANT: car, PSU, computer, mp3 player, PS3, TV
08:45:01Paul_the_NerdNobody should want a PS3.
08:45:07edanyou NEED: food, clothes, roof over your head
08:45:11daurn|laptopi NEED car & psu/computer
08:45:24daurn|laptopwithout car, i can't get to school/work
08:45:24edanno you don;t you just want em
08:45:33edanno such thing as a bus there?
08:45:37Paul_the_NerdYou need food, and protection from the elements. Clothes and a roof are handy implementations of that idea, but not necessities in and of themselves.
08:45:40daurn|laptopnot near my house
08:46:16daurn|laptopwithout computer, i can't do homework or dev
08:46:28edanand you manage at the moment how?
08:46:57daurn|laptopwalk 15mins to train, sit on it for 45mins, get there 5mins late
08:47:06daurn|laptop - something that takes 10mins driving
08:47:19edanman. that sounds like more fun to me personally
08:47:48edanthen again... I'm kind of old
08:48:11edanprolly double your age m'laddo
08:48:19daurn|laptopmost likely
08:49:07edanI wouldn't go back to being a teenager if I could. no bloody way
08:49:15edanbeing a teen sucked
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08:49:32daurn|laptopthen theres the requirement of alchohol & fake ids
08:49:35edanexcept the not-having-to-pay-so-many-bills bit
08:49:36daurn|laptopthey're just too expensive
08:49:38edanthat was ok
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08:50:15edanheh. you'll grow out of the whole alcohol thing hopefully
08:50:24edanonce you realise how much of a retard it makes you
08:50:35edanand rest assured, it DOES
08:51:09edanI know this because I'm a bouncer. my whole job is dealing with pissed people. Mostly Uni students
08:51:10*scorche rolls his eyes at edan
08:51:21daurn|laptopany advise on id?
08:51:30edansure; don't
08:52:01edanyour best bet is either a crappy bouncer or sibling close in age who you look JUST like
08:52:39edanI've had some funny lame attempts at fake/altered ID tho
08:52:59scorchei most likely gave a bouncer one of those...
08:53:13edanone of the funniest was this kid who gave me his ID. said he was 17. looked at him, he realised and said "Oh... wrong ID..."
08:53:23edanhe;d given me his REAL ID instead of his fake
08:53:36daurn|laptopso he gave you a dif one?
08:53:42edannah. he left
08:54:04edanhe gave me his real one accidentally when he meant to give me his fake one
08:54:28edanI can tell you what DOESN'T work tho
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08:55:19edanhere in Australia, it's quite popular to get something very sharp and alter the last number of the year. So 1988 looks like 1986. Or 1989 looks like 1988
08:55:29edanbut that pretty much NEVER works
08:56:02daurn|laptopyou'd be suprised
08:56:10daurn|laptopthats what some of my friends have done
08:56:14scorcheWhen i was hanging around Covenant once, we were off to an afterparty at a bar/club...i was able to get in by speaking the few bits of swedish that i know, with no english and they claimed i was one of their sound techs (which i kinda was)
08:56:17edanif the bouncer doesn't have a light nearby tho, you have more chance. One of he main reasons it doesn't work is you can clearly see the alteration in the light
08:56:24daurn|laptopeden: where you work?
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08:56:31scorchethey asked for my passport, said i left it in the bus, and they "did it for the band" =D
08:56:38edanat 3 clubs here in Tasmania, Australia
08:56:47daurn|laptopdamn :P
08:56:57edanlegal drinking age here is 18
08:57:01daurn|laptopyou get many interstate ids?
08:57:10edanyep, international ones too
08:57:20edanmostly German and Canadian
08:57:34daurn|laptopthinking of trying to make some qld copies
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08:58:11daurn|laptopsome friends made some really nice vic ones (where i am), but the hologram wears off after 2 weeks, and you have to make a new one
08:58:13edanwhere are you?
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08:58:59JdGordonwe dont have 2 heads tho :D
08:59:00edanI dunno if i'd work there in security if I moved there
08:59:15edantoo many Lebanese and Asian gangs
08:59:26daurn|laptophrhr, damn lebos
08:59:43edanI'm sure they're nice people.. on their own
08:59:51edan\but when you get em in groups, screw that
09:00:16edanand I gather if you cross one, you never jsut cross ONE
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09:00:43LinusNoh is it Offtopic Celebration Day today? :-)
09:00:50JdGordonmust be
09:00:52daurn|laptopedan: you get many qld ids?
09:00:54JdGordonmorning LinusN
09:01:01*Paul_the_Nerd waves to LinusN
09:01:05edansorry LinusN. heh
09:01:18daurn|laptopLinusN: hi
09:01:19JdGordoniv moved hxxx to target tree and everything seems to work.. should i commit, or do you want to look @ the patch first?
09:02:34JdGordonLinusN: ^
09:03:05LinusNnice, yeah, i'd like to have a look
09:04:12JdGordonLinusN: FS 6263
09:05:33JdGordondinner.. bbl
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09:07:42LinusNJdGordon: looks good at first glance
09:08:39daurn|laptopheh, wish my dinner looked that good ;)
09:11:16markunLinusN: in some cases it would be nice to have extra target_tree subdirs (like portalplayer/pp5002) but I don't know how this can be done in a nice way.
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09:11:54LinusNwell, nothing stops you from having that
09:12:08LinusNthe only thing is if you want .h files in there
09:12:29LinusNthen you have to add it to the include path, and that requires some fiddling
09:12:34markunI especially want it for ata-target.h
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09:13:03amiconnJdGordon: Didn't check out the patch yet, but in case you didn't already, it would be nice to clean up the #include mess a bit. (as I did for button-h*.c yesterday)
09:13:08markunto prevent ifdefs, but it's not a big deal
09:16:29markunLinusN: check out how nice Toshiba was for us Gigabeat devs:;filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams_rotated.pdf
09:17:33LinusNmarkun: nice
09:18:34markuntoo bad they didn't tell us which GPIO pins where used, but now we at least know exactly what's left.
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09:24:42pondlifeamiconn: Don't suppose you could help me get a GNU make 3.81 for Cygwin? I tried yesterday using the Cygwin setup but could only find my current 3.80-1.
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09:28:39scorchepondlife: ?
09:29:59pondlifescorche: Yes, but I can only see a directory listing, not get any binary or source. i see
09:30:42pondlifeTotally non-Linux here, so probably asking stoopid questions
09:35:21scorchewell, not quite sure how it would work in cygwin, but:
09:35:40pondlifeLinusN: Do you agree with the idea of panicking on a queue overflow, to find other problems? Or is that too dangerous to commit? I get plenty of panics at the moment, just shuffling a playlist or shutting down will do it..
09:35:40hcsshould build fine, but I can't say I've tried it
09:36:01pondlifescorche: Thanks, will give it a go later
09:36:11LinusNpondlife: perhaps only in the Logf build for now?
09:36:46LinusNuntil we sort out the most obvious bugs
09:36:49pondlifeBut does anyone use the logf build? ;)
09:37:18LinusNwell, the user won't like it to panic when shuffling a playlist
09:37:26pondlifeI certainly don't
09:37:44LinusNbut i like the general idea
09:38:03pondlifeI'd prefer not to commit it at all until I've looked into the obvious bugs actually (or others have)
09:38:36pondlifeRather than making it logf-only. A queue overflow is serious enough that it probably causes all sorts of trouble.
09:39:33pondlifeUnfortunately I'm rather deep into the horrid unbuffering stuff in playback.c at the moment.
09:40:07JdGordonamiconn: ok, i can do that
09:41:03pondlifeAny playback lovers out there by the way? I'd like to remove the track_changed = true from codec_track_changed(). That variable should be controlled only by the audio thread.
09:41:48pondlifeThe downside will probably only be a slower WPS reponse on a natural track change, but I think that's better.
09:42:25LinusNhow slow?
09:42:35LinusN"playback lovers" :-)
09:46:35pondlifeNot particularly noticable
09:47:12pondlifeBut then I could live with 1s delay on pressing next track and others couldn't
09:47:25pondlifeI operate in blind mode much of the time :)
09:47:42pondlifeAs long as I get a quick beep, I'm happy
09:50:29JdGordonLinusN: do you rekon its ok to commit?
09:50:44LinusNJdGordon: have you tested on h120?
09:51:01JdGordoni got a friend to.. he says it all seems ok
09:51:08JdGordonif someone else here can test it would be good
09:51:46LinusNJdGordon: and i assume you have built all sims and dev builds too?
09:52:02JdGordongrr.. forgot the dev ones
09:52:20LinusNshouldn't be a problem
09:52:32JdGordonive done sim and target for all iriver and one archos.. and no warnings.. so it _shouldnt_ ause any other problems
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09:52:42JdGordonbuilds take ages on this comp :'(
09:52:50pondlifeAnyone written a script to locally perform ALL builds?
09:53:05JdGordonhcs posted a bash script a while ago
09:53:07LinusNi've thought about it many times :-)
09:53:18Bagderwe could make one from the cvs build script
09:53:27pondlifeI think I'd get bored waiting for it to finish.... ;)
09:53:34Bagderit'd take ages
09:53:48Bagderof course "all" would not literally be all ;-)
09:53:54preglowjust let the build servers do the job
09:54:05preglownothing wrong with a little red as long as its fixed
09:54:09pondlifeAnd get ready to mop up the red
09:54:12BagderI agree
09:54:17LinusNi agree too
09:54:31JdGordoni was going to do a script to do a specified set of builds and dump all errors/warnings into a seperate file.. but couldnt be bothered in the end :p
09:54:38LinusNthere is nothing wrong with checking in a red build as long as you are there to fix it
09:54:50SereR0kRis anyone working on the decryption of the 2G iPod Nanos?
09:54:59JdGordonso on that note.. im commiting
09:55:03preglowSereR0kR: no rockbox people i know of
09:55:10*LinusN takes cover
09:55:11preglowSereR0kR: i think some of the ipodlinux guys are on it, though
09:55:28BagderSereR0kR: read the nana 2g forum thread
09:55:34SereR0kRthere was no progress on the svn the last 2 weeks
09:55:36pondlifeJdGordon: Quick, you may catch the build I've just triggered...
09:55:41Bagderthey're not really close
09:55:45Bagderthey just have some idea
09:56:02pondlifeOops, too late
09:56:03JdGordonpondlife: doubt it.. big commit
09:56:09preglowwhat commit?
09:56:10Bagderthey need a MrH ;-)
09:56:14Paul_the_NerdSereR0kR: I doubt there'll be "progress" until it's done. There's probably not much to check in until it's solved.
09:56:23JdGordondamn.. havta wait 10min then :'(
09:56:30Paul_the_NerdBagder: I think many projects would like a MrH
09:56:37Bagderoh yes
09:56:39SereR0kRwhats a MrH?
09:56:48preglowi think ipodlinux probably has their own mrh, heh
09:56:50pondlifeMrH is a MrE
09:57:02SereR0kRand wtf is a MrE? ;D
09:57:06markunSereR0kR: mysterious encryption guru
09:57:06preglowand that'd be leachbj
09:57:08BagderSereR0kR: the guy who cracked the mi4 file format, used by many pp-players
09:57:16pondlifeSereR0kR: Think about it...
09:57:44Bagderbut leachbj never had to deal with encryption, right?
09:57:56JdGordonamiconn: LinusN: can we figure out what folder names we want to use for the archos targets? im happy to move them across tonight also
09:58:12SereR0kRi hope they'll crack it o.O
09:58:26preglowBagder: no, i forgot the encryption cracking
09:59:06preglowcan't you just tell mrh we've got an interesting problem with that thing? :-)
09:59:26preglow"Also, one happens to be on its way in the mail. Later!"
10:00:14LinusNtarget/sh/archos/[player|recv1|recv2|ondio] comes to mind, but i believe you will find out as you go along
10:00:34Bagderamiconn is on that case
10:00:40LinusNJdGordon: be aware though, that moving the archos code will not be as easy
10:00:47Bagderondio, player, fmv2, recorder I believe
10:00:59JdGordonoh? never mind then.. :D
10:01:02LinusNok, then let him do it
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10:02:28JdGordonwhy would they be harder to move?
10:03:46*JdGordon waits pateinlty for the builds to start again....
10:03:48LinusNi suspect it would be harder because the archos code is the original code, and more "integrated" in the core code
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10:05:42SereR0kRso, i hope they'll crack it in near future ;D
10:05:53SereR0kRif i could help, i would, but i cant
10:06:02daurn|laptopguess what!
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10:06:38LinusNamiconn: have you measured any difference on cygwin with the new makefiles?
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10:07:04BagderLinusN: he mentioned some ~16% before
10:07:50JdGordonBagder: can you force the builds to get going please?
10:08:11Bagderthey are
10:08:33JdGordonah, so they are... 30sec too impatient :)
10:08:46markundaurn|laptop: what?
10:08:52daurn|laptopmy cat died!
10:09:01JdGordonumm.... congrats? :D
10:09:12markunthat sucks
10:09:20daurn|laptopsure does
10:09:28markundaurn|laptop: how old was he/she?
10:09:35daurn|laptop13 or so
10:09:39daurn|laptopkidney failure
10:09:56markunsame with our cat. Be he was 18.
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10:10:13LinusNcommon problem with domestic cats, isn't it?
10:10:14daurn|laptopwas absolutely fine till 3 weeks ago
10:10:17preglow13 isn't bad for a cat
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10:10:23*preglow loves cats
10:10:27daurn|laptopthen stopped eating
10:10:33daurn|laptopand his coat looked bad
10:10:42daurn|laptopmy grandmother took him to the Vet
10:10:49daurn|laptop - had to put him down
10:11:13*LinusN celebrates Offtopic Celebration Day once more :-)
10:11:25*preglow starts talking about beer
10:11:31*Bagder joins the celebration
10:11:41*daurn|laptop wishes for money
10:11:46*LinusN does the famous offtopic dance
10:11:54JdGordonwhat target uses the tcc730 cpu? its not on deviceChart
10:12:03LinusNJdGordon: party pooper!
10:12:16BagderJdGordon: that's the archos gmini one I guess
10:12:27JdGordonah, ok
10:12:28LinusNwhich is a pretty dead port
10:12:33Bagdervery dead
10:12:46LinusNscheduled for termination, in cell block aa-21
10:12:49Bagderor is it just sleeping? ;-)
10:13:20JdGordonwoohoo :D green table
10:13:27JdGordonapart from the usual 2 reds
10:13:41bluebrothercell block tango?
10:13:42BagderI wonder if we'll ever get rid of the reds
10:13:45LinusN"scheduled for optimization"
10:13:57*JdGordon dubts we will
10:14:01JdGordondoubts even
10:14:02BagderI can see amiconn in one camp and the rest of us in the other
10:14:15preglowwe might need calmrisc stuff again, with the nano2 port
10:14:25LinusNpreglow: shrug
10:14:36preglowLinusN: doubt we'll need any of the current code, though...
10:14:36Bagderwhat, it uses calmrisc stuff?
10:14:44preglowBagder: hmm, i think so
10:14:53preglowBagder: as core number two, that is
10:15:00LinusNiirc, the calmrisc compiler is in a really sorry state
10:15:00preglowBagder: the primary core is a very potent arm
10:15:14preglowLinusN: i'd be happy to do all the calmrisc code in asm, i think
10:15:19preglowLinusN: it's mostly meant for dsp anyway
10:15:20Bagderthe calmrisc support is not even in the main gcc sources
10:15:32markunthe newer irivers also use a 2nd calmisc core I believe
10:15:46preglowmarkun: yeah, it's the same chip family
10:15:55LinusNhmmm, calmrisc != arm is it?
10:16:08preglowironically, iriver helped design the chip in the new nano :>
10:16:36markunpreglow: together with a undisclosed other company
10:16:39LinusNah, now i get it
10:16:59daurn|laptopmarkun: samsung? ;)
10:17:14preglowit looks like a quite nice little chip
10:17:20preglowlots of sram, lots of horsepower
10:17:23Bagder"CalmADM2E (120MHz) CalmRISC16 + MAC2424 with 4KB of Instruction Cache"
10:17:43Bagderoh 256K sram
10:17:53preglowalso note the x and y memory cache
10:17:53markundaurn|laptop: I thought it was Meizu, but maybe it was Apple.
10:17:59preglowthe dsp core will frigging _blaze_ along
10:18:12LinusNa real dsp core for a change
10:18:14Bagderand a 200MHz ARM9
10:18:40LinusNhas anyone had a look at one of the dm320 targets for real?
10:18:50preglowthere's no doubt whatsoever using the calmrisc will pay off
10:19:02preglowtwo memory accesses and a 24x24 mac in one cycle will beat the hell out of whatever arm can offer
10:19:07BagderLinusN: it depends on what you mean, they run medios on some of them
10:19:18markunpreglow: I think the i.mx31 in the Gigabeat S will be faster
10:19:23preglowmarkun: which is?
10:19:36LinusNBagder: i was more thinking of rockbox
10:19:37Bagderand hey, "OSD (On Screen Display) multiplexing" "Alpha blending"
10:19:58BagderLinusN: "shirour" apparently is attempting to port rockbox to mrobe-500
10:20:03Bagderbut other than that, none
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10:20:58preglowmarkun: ahahaha
10:21:06preglowit's got the vector fpu
10:21:14preglowthey do like overpowering stuff, don't they
10:21:27preglowgoodbye fixed point
10:21:48*preglow wonders how fast that vfpu is
10:22:23daurn|laptopis it open?
10:22:25Bagderyeah, the gigabeat S is gonna be a beast
10:22:44markunpeople only get about 10 hours mp3 playback, but that's with a 700mAh battery
10:23:09markundaurn|laptop: open?
10:23:20daurn|laptopwell, is there a compiler
10:23:22markunIt runs Windows CE 5.0
10:23:26markundaurn|laptop: yes, gcc
10:23:40markunThere is a linux port on the website somewhere
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10:24:07bluebrotherwindows ce on a dap? Urgh.
10:24:21BagderI bet its gonna be more common
10:24:32daurn|laptopwell, if theres a exploit on the gigabeat s
10:24:36Bagderwhen they become more powerful
10:24:36daurn|laptopi'm there
10:25:00daurn|laptopjust... money
10:25:32markundaurn|laptop: RogerBacon put the hdd of the Gigabeat S in his ipod 5g and was able to get to the first FAT32 partition with the firmware.
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10:26:26markunThere is a project to create a fake windows CE image which boots linux. Would be a nice startingpoint.
10:27:43daurn|laptopdoes the wince bin on freescale work?
10:27:48daurn|laptop - are there similarities?
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10:29:30markunno, it's a tool to create your own wince bin
10:30:02daurn|laptopMicrosoft Windows CE 5.0 binary demo image to use with the i.MX31ADS. See release notes in the package for details.
10:30:09markunAh, he didn't try
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10:46:57Saihey can i ask if rockbox has radio?
10:47:07JdGordonyou can
10:47:19*daurn|laptop waits - i can guess this question!
10:47:23BagderRockbox supports radio on most targets that have radio
10:47:40scorcheSai: what target do you have?
10:47:50Saiwill my ipod video have it?
10:48:20Bagderradio requires... radio HW
10:48:42Saioh ok
10:49:05Saiwell is there anything interesting i can get on my ipod video?
10:49:29daurn|laptoproms for early consoles
10:49:34daurn|laptopcrappy games
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10:50:04Saii only seem to like the rockbox themes and music so far
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10:50:47Bagderwell, rockbox is primarily for audio
10:51:03Bagderat least in my view
10:51:57Saii like rockbox for the games
10:52:12Saiif only they had better ones...
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10:52:26Bagderyou mean "we"
10:52:50daurn|laptopSai: roms!
10:53:04daurn|laptopyour fav console games from yesteryear
10:53:05peturSai: start programming one ;)
10:53:06Saibuttons on roms dont even work..
10:53:25*LinusN looks at the space invaders game by albert veli
10:53:32Bagderthat looks fine
10:53:35linuxstb_Blame Apple for not designing the ipod as a Gameboy emulator platform...
10:53:41Bagderbut I only looked at the shots
10:53:44linuxstb_So shortsighted...
10:54:13Saiif only rockbox could play some gba games atleast..
10:54:35LinusNwould be cool
10:54:54BagderI wish it could make coffee atleast
10:55:11LinusNah yes
10:55:23scorchei am still waiting for some action on my feature request to make rockbox make my ipod fly
10:55:28Saijus grab your ipod in the mornings
10:55:54LinusNscorche: i can make it fly, it's the landing i haven't yet perfected :-)
10:56:12scorcheLinusN: i know...a bit buggy
10:56:21LinusNthe testing takes a lot of rockbox funding
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10:57:59daurn|laptopsai: you're the one who bought a crappy ipod in the first place
10:58:59Saiman videos rock
10:59:21peturthen why are you complaining? :p
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10:59:33Saibut i would have bought a iriver u10 if only they made there with more space instead of 2gb...
10:59:45daurn|laptoptheres SO many players i would lovbe
10:59:52daurn|laptopbut, they're all flash
10:59:53Sai]i jus wanna let my ipod live life to its MAX :D
10:59:59daurn|laptopi can't survive on my current 20gb
11:00:12daurn|laptopi think i'll TRY to buy a gigabeat S
11:00:39Saiyea u10's the best, no need to convert movies and flays flash games, albe better graphics... omg
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11:01:00daurn|laptopmy fav toy is gmini 402
11:01:11daurn|laptopjust wish i had the time to do a port
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11:01:50Bagderhey, people without kids should not talk about lack of time ;-)
11:02:44*petur shuts up
11:02:50daurn|laptopBagder: 2 jobs & school
11:03:27preglowthat might cause a certain lack of time
11:03:33preglowthat and poor grades
11:03:40LinusNloss of sleep
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11:03:50JdGordonI can put adc-target.h into /archos and into archos/ondio without worring right?
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11:04:17*LinusN can't remember when he last had a full 8 hours sleep
11:04:30amiconnJdGordon, LinusN: My idea was to use just 4 target names for archos: player, recorder, fm_v2, ondio
11:04:47amiconnStuff in ondio/ will probably need a little ifdefing
11:04:56LinusNfor fm at least
11:05:18amiconnYes, for FM and MAS
11:05:27LinusNah yes, the mas too
11:05:28JdGordonamiconn: yeah, thats what ive got, adc.h is either a horrible #ifdef mess and im lost, or its mostly shared between all archos
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11:11:02amiconnJdGordon: I was also looking at moving the archos stuff
11:11:28JdGordonamiconn: ok, im almost done moving the player, (i think)
11:11:37JdGordonup to usb-target
11:11:37markuncopy_read_sectors and opy_write_sectors are nice candidates to be moved to the target tree
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11:12:01markunwhere should I put the PREFER_C_* versions?
11:12:10amiconnmarkun: Definitely, although it has to be checked where in the target tree it belongs
11:12:12JdGordonI'm trying to move every target into the tree before any more functions are added
11:12:30amiconnE.g. the coldfire stuff should work for all cf targets
11:13:11amiconnJdGordon: The adc itself _is_ shared between all archoses
11:13:21amiconnIt's built into the sh1 cpu
11:13:33JdGordonI saw.. thats adc-archos.c now
11:14:16amiconnShould really be adc-sh1.c
11:14:43amiconnThere are potential non-archos targets which use sh1
11:15:28markunand archos targets which don't use sh1..
11:15:46JdGordonok, ill move it
11:18:15amiconnmarkun: Those won't be in sh/archos/ but elsewhere
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11:19:05muesliiiamiconn wot about displaying n solitaire the 1st 3cards by default?
11:24:14JdGordonwhy are the max/min/default contrast settings #ifdefined TARGET_TREE?
11:24:19JdGordonin settings.h
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11:29:17amiconnLinusN: Each of the 2 steps gave around 20% speedup on cygwin
11:29:29LinusNnice, well done
11:29:31amiconnWay less on linux, but still enough to be measurable
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11:35:00daurn|laptopany1 got a spare $259?
11:35:10aliaskWhat for?
11:35:17LinusNan x5?
11:35:34peturexpensive girlfriend?
11:35:49Bagdernew kidney?
11:36:04peturexpresso machine?
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11:37:00Paul_the_Nerddaurn|laptop: Go get Rockbox working on the 5.5Gs, there's apparently a bounty on that, at least for the moment
11:37:08daurn|laptoptoshiba gigabeat S 60gb
11:37:52daurn|laptophey, that chip markun was talking about: i think its in the Zune
11:38:07Bagderthe gigabeat S and the zune are very similar
11:39:01daurn|laptoplooks like it
11:39:19daurn|laptopthe very early rumblings said it was a toshiba job, branded as microsoft
11:39:25daurn|laptopthey don't seem far off
11:40:06Bagder"Microsoft has confirmed that Japanese firm Toshiba will make its portable media player - "Zune" - to be released before the end of the year."
11:40:12daurn|laptopi wish to buy this - just get me money ;)
11:40:46LinusNdaurn|laptop: if you are serious about porting rockbox, yes, we are open to discussions
11:40:52markunif you now call Toshiba to complain about the Gigabeat S firmware they tell you: "Sorry, that's Microsoft's problem". Of course MS doesn't listen to the complaints either.
11:41:33daurn|laptopbut its toshiba's problem
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11:41:43daurn|laptopthey sold you the hardware
11:41:48daurn|laptopwith no other software options
11:41:52daurn|laptop - they're problem
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11:47:12amiconnBagder, LinusN, ...: If lowlight comes up with a few more optimisations like the one that I committed last night, we might get rid of the reds before long...
11:47:38LinusNamiconn: would be nice
11:47:46Bagderbut for how long...
11:48:16amiconnJust removing that one struct member reduced code size by 640 bytes on archos, and ram usage by ~2KB
11:50:11amiconnThat patch was around for quite a while (dated Aug 31), just that I didn't find the time to check it out earlier :/
11:51:22Bagderunfortunately, it is about as likely that someone makes a commit that ups the memory requirements again
11:51:54amiconnThe wps code is a horrible mess imho.
11:52:08BagderI would personally like to see a fix that is likely to hold for a while
11:52:16amiconnDidn't someone want to have a go at a new wps parser?
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11:52:36gwxnei001juat installed rockbox on my ipod mini 1 to test it out and everything seemed fine but now it keeps resetting after a coupleof seconds of use. Anyone have any idea what could be wrong?
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11:56:54amiconnOtoh, with a few more planned features for archos, it might be impossible to get back rombox :/
11:57:04amiconn(like pcm recording & playback)
11:58:41gwxnei001hmmn seems its the battery cos its working fine now that its plugged in
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12:03:15Paul_the_NerdIs there any real reason Rombox *has* to have all the features of Rockbox-in-RAM?
12:03:57Paul_the_NerdI mean, couldn't there just be a nice disclaimer saying Rombox does not support TagCache, Feature X, and Feature Y (graphical WPSes? Something else?)
12:04:39Paul_the_NerdSince it's kinda bout eking the most battery life out of the player as possible anyway, less performance related features can surely be sacrificed if it's possible to come up with a way to conditionally cut them.
12:08:10peturmaybe several optional blocks and a control file where you can select which things you want in your build?
12:08:41_jhMikeS_rrrr...My H120 is sitting in some UPS depot about 20min from my house right now. Probably take 'em all day to get it here though.
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12:08:59peturUPS sucks
12:08:59Paul_the_NerdI have two H120 remotes arriving today
12:09:10Paul_the_NerdSince they were down to $30 new, and I have bad luck with them.
12:09:15jhMikeSI have no remotes arriving today
12:09:19amiconnWell, if rombox wouldn't have all the features of standard rockbox, I wouldn't use it, even if I don't necessarily need those feautes
12:09:39Paul_the_NerdAnd a waterproof case for my iFP 799 that's supposed to be good for a few hundred feet.
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12:10:13jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: You're gonna go diving with the thing? !?!
12:10:19Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: But what's worse, no Rombox, or a fat-free Rombox that offers all the playback functionality, but not necessarily all the fluff?
12:11:01jhMikeSfluffy fuzzy bunnies?
12:11:05Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: Probably wouldn't ever use it for more than snorkelling. I think my diving days are past. But the 10-ft cases have these in-ear phones that aren't really good with actual submerged water pressure at all
12:12:00Paul_the_Nerd'sides, $22 isn't exactly a huge investment.
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12:14:28Paul_the_NerdOops, the case was the $30, the remotes were $22.
12:14:38Paul_the_NerdAnyway, I'll *finally* be able to run LogF builds again.
12:14:43Paul_the_NerdWell, handier ones.
12:16:34jhMikeSI though the remote went cheaper...hmm
12:17:18Paul_the_NerdAnyway, I can't really see the benefit of declaring Rombox dead, if it can be salvaged as a purely functionality focused thing.
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12:41:20jhMikeSwhat the heck happened? Got all this red and everything built here fine.
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12:42:10Paul_the_NerdThe sims hate you
12:42:35Paul_the_NerdSince they don't have a BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR, I suppose
12:42:36jhMikeSyeah it is the sims...blimey
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12:43:28jhMikeSbetter get fixin' :P
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12:47:02jhMikeSmmmm...that should do it I hope
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12:49:24jhMikeSprobably should have done the two parts separately now that I think about it...general then x5.
12:52:52amiconnThere might be one pitfall when removing the adc_tick for iriver: The non-lcd remote doesn't set the remote_present gpio pin, so it can only be detected by monitoring the remotedetect adc value - iirc
12:53:21amiconnBut this could be done by the remote_tcik
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12:57:37jhMikeSI didn't touch it for anything else
12:58:26jhMikeSDoesn't seem to be any point any more for it for the batt though
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13:02:24jhMikeShrm...left a #define that ended up being unused in config-audiox5.h :-\
13:04:41jhMikeSand of course any file I edited and resaved with code unchanged gets the whitespace changes...guess it's good cleanup at that
13:06:29LinusNi don't like that at all
13:07:01LinusNmakes it a lot harder to review your changes
13:07:30*LinusN spots c++ comments in there and didn't really think about it till I saw it.
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13:08:41jhMikeSThey were there commenting some other initializers. I just stuck with the form for that.
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13:09:29LinusNyeah, i saw that there were c++ comments before yours...
13:11:12jhMikeSWell, I suppose I'll convert them next opportunity
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13:13:36jhMikeSor should I make a commit to change comments type? which do you prefer?
13:13:38pregloweditors that change anything that's not explicitely edited are an abomination
13:14:29jhMikeSI set my editor so I can use tabs when editing and get spaces when saving. I think it can be set to only change new tabs iirc. Should do that then.
13:15:01preglowi just do :set expandtabs whenever i edit rockbox code
13:15:04preglowi use tabs in my own code
13:15:04jhMikeSI don't like leaving trailing whitespaces around either
13:15:38preglowi prefer using tabs properly to using whitespace
13:15:56preglowthen of course, very few editors/people know how to use tabs properly
13:16:21jhMikeSI prefer them too because they're easier to remove and use them in my own as well.
13:16:26Slasheriwith automatic identation it doesn't matter wether to use tabs or whitespace while writing code
13:16:27ender`editors usually aren't the problem (though they can be in rare circumstances), but people - now that's something else :)
13:16:43jhMikeSbut I set my editor to follow the source guidelines
13:17:01lostlogicpreglow: what is using tabs correctly? 4 space indents with 8 space tabs?
13:17:04*jhMikeS hates automatic indentation
13:17:31SlasherijhMikeS: then editor probably just implements it poorly :)
13:17:44*petur loves automatic indentation :p
13:17:48jhMikeSI like doing it myself
13:18:01*daurn|laptop hates the look of fixed font editors
13:18:02ender`lostlogic: tabs for normal indenting, spaces when you fold a line, or when you want to line up some comments
13:18:04lostlogic /me hugs vim as he highlights some code and hits "="
13:18:15preglowlostlogic: using tabs properly is mixing tabs and spaces so that indentation changes correctly when you change the tab size
13:18:28daurn|laptopbut i can't stand looking at files created in a proprtional editor - different to my own
13:18:56lostlogicah, I see. tabs always indicate blocking levels and adjustments within the same blocking level are spaces. Makes sense.
13:19:09preglowvim does not indent correctly, i'm afraid :/
13:19:15ender`this way, the code will look fine no matter what your tab spacing preference is
13:19:16jhMikeStabs for starting a line :)
13:19:17lostlogicpreglow: yep, that's what I was trying to discern
13:19:28preglowlostlogic: tabs indicate indentation level of code, and spaces are for aligning code with other code
13:20:00*lostlogic wonders if vim could be taught to do that, but is really OK with using spaces all the time
13:20:19preglowmost editors use a mix of tabs and spaces where they assume the tab is x number of chars, and that's the worst of all, if you ask me
13:20:29preglowusing spaces all the time beats doing what i just said
13:20:36lostlogicpreglow: yep
13:21:43preglowbut i guess being able to change indentation isn't too important with todays autoformatting editors
13:21:43LinusNeither use only tabs or no tabs at all
13:21:56preglowLinusN: then what's the point of using tabs?
13:22:09LinusNbeats me
13:22:12daurn|laptopi find tabs to be a great solution
13:22:29daurn|laptopjust makes code and comments SO much neater
13:22:40preglowLinusN: the only point i can see in using tabs is to be able to choose indentation level yourself, and that requires you to use tabs only for block indentation
13:22:54ender`that's the idea
13:23:09preglowif you don't want to do that, then screw tabs and use only spaces
13:23:19LinusNproblem is that many applications still don't let you set the tab size
13:23:21jhMikeStabs should be hard codec to 4 spaces everywhere in the universe :P
13:23:36preglowLinusN: indeed, application handling would be the problem here
13:23:42ender`LinusN: eh? which ones?
13:23:44peturjhMikeS: codec?
13:23:51LinusNbrowsers for instance
13:23:53preglowpeople rely on editors doing the right thing, and when it comes to tabs, they very, very seldom do the right thing
13:23:57jhMikeShard coded
13:23:59daurn|laptopjhMikeS: 4?
13:24:34jhMikeS4 = tab...should be a unsiversal physical constant =)
13:24:51*ender` used 2 spaces for a long long time
13:24:57ender`(for a tab)
13:25:17daurn|laptop2 is too small
13:25:22daurn|laptop4 is a bit too small
13:25:59ender`i converted to 4 some years ago, anything more makes the code harder to read for me
13:26:00jhMikeSare we talking about tabs? :P
13:26:20daurn|laptopjhMikeS: cause people aren't sure what conventions to use in rockbox source code
13:26:59preglowi've converted from eight to four already, and if i do so again, i want my source to come along with m,e
13:27:02jhMikeSI thought there was a page...I read it...I'm not's there
13:27:02preglowhence the tabs
13:27:08lostlogic:%s/^I/ / <−− that's how to indent rockbox code :-D
13:27:57lostlogicpreglow: can just use astyle or some such when you change?
13:28:15preglowlostlogic: probably, but i don't need to
13:28:21lostlogiclaugh, nod.
13:28:32lostlogicso do you have an editor which indents correctly with tabs and spaces?
13:28:37preglowlostlogic: no :/
13:28:39preglowi use vim
13:28:55LinusNemacs works fine
13:29:07preglowLinusN: last i checked, it doesn't
13:29:08lostlogicLinusN: by preglow's definition of correct?
13:29:19LinusNby my definition of correct, only spaces
13:29:25preglowwell duh...
13:29:34LinusNit is programmable you know
13:30:04preglowout of the box would be best, heh
13:30:09preglowi'm not switching to emacs :>
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13:30:46LinusNjust tell the editor top not use tabs, any decent editor should be able to do that
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13:31:24ender`vi/emacs war again? :)
13:31:40LinusNand a decent editor should not change anything but the things that were changed by the user
13:31:58preglowoh, that's for sure
13:32:05LinusNnot remove white space and not change 8859-1 to utf-8
13:32:27LinusNemacs can load a binary file and save it again
13:32:41lostlogicpsst: so can vim :-P
13:32:50LinusNthen it's decent in that respect
13:32:51ender`war war!
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13:33:03preglowit's decent in all respects!
13:33:16LinusNi have no issues with vim, i even use it myself
13:33:22jhMikeSWhat am I supposed to do for files where the ws has been untabbed but it would be a big pain to revert it and reinsert my changes...there's that with the recording stuff.
13:33:24preglowi won't give up until we degenerate to name calling
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13:33:50preglowlostlogic: now, about metadata on buffer...
13:33:59preglowlostlogic: how far are you/someone from having that going?
13:34:09LinusNjhMikeS: either don't do anything, or do a diff without white space
13:35:00LinusNcvs diff -b iirc
13:36:07jhMikeSHmmm...I usually commit right out of the checkout. how will that affect the files that are there where their $Id is updated?
13:36:43LinusNjhMikeS: in this case, i'd say leave it
13:37:27LinusNbut you can create a patch with -b and then apply it to a fresh checkout
13:37:31jhMikeSIs there any other way to commit changes besides straight from the checkout? *curious*
13:37:41LinusNjhMikeS: no
13:37:53lostlogicpreglow: The patch I wrote several months ago worked, kinda with bugs, but will hafta be rewritten entirely now; so not very close at all
13:38:05lostlogicnot sure if lowlight's patch is closer or further
13:38:11jhMikeSdidn't think so but could do a patch, remove it from the checkout and reapply it w/o ws changes
13:38:28LinusNyes, like i said
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13:38:57jhMikeSYou said "fresh checkout". Just need to unpatch the one it came from :)
13:38:59LinusNi'd do it on a separate chaekout in case i missed some newly created files in the patch
13:39:47jhMikeSI'm pretty sure I didn't or else my patch never would have worked for anyone else
13:40:23peturit didn't work for me :p
13:41:07peturbtw, do you mind posting a new patch for testing?
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13:44:00jhMikeSpetur: np. It's stale no doubt
13:44:57peturno hurry - can't test until tonight (+6 hours)
13:45:32jhMikeShow many conflicts?
13:46:08petursorry, don't remember
13:46:14jhMikeShmmm...just got one in system.c
13:46:24JdGordonamiconn: you around?
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13:48:35jhMikeSbecause set_cpu_frequency was moved
13:49:01JdGordonguess not... LinusN, are you ok with power.c from firmware being copied to target/sh/arcos/power-archos.c and being used by all 4 of the targets? the ifdef hell in that file is confusing, of course the ifdefs not related to the archos would be removed, but it simplifies it alot
13:49:25LinusNisn't amiconn working on this?
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13:49:47JdGordonhe said he is looking at it.. i dont know if he has actually done anything
13:49:59JdGordonthats the last file for the player, and im looking for the easy-route
13:50:09LinusNthe whole point of the target tree is to remove the ifdef hell
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13:50:51LinusNi assume that you are talking about firmware/drivers/power.c
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13:52:27LinusNi suggest you split the file like on the other targets
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13:52:57JdGordonthat file is horrible, its easxy to strip the sh part, but splitting that is confusing
13:53:42JdGordonbut ok
13:55:40jhMikeSwhere should a lone coldfire only function go now?
13:55:45JdGordoni seem to be having more luck in that file half-drunk than i was completly sober :p
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13:56:53amiconnLinusN: I'm afraid we won't get rid of all ifdefs in target tree
13:57:03LinusNof course not
13:57:13LinusNbut it would probably not be "hell"
13:57:21*amiconn had to reintroduce one ifdef in coldfire/iriver/button-target.h
13:57:36amiconnTwo functions which only exist on H300
13:57:39jhMikeSdefininitely less hellish, definitely
13:57:44JdGordonamiconn: ok, i have finished moving the player to TT
13:58:13LinusNthere are two purposes of the target tree: 1) remove the ifdef hell and 2) make porting easier
13:58:15markunJdGordon: if you want I can try to split up power.c a bit
13:58:42JdGordonmarkun: na, dont worry about it... 4 more targets left and it wont be used anymore at all
13:59:15jhMikeSshouldn't there just be a system-coldfire.c now? It would make sense.
14:00:02JdGordonjhMikeS: system-iriver is pretty generic, so if its the same as the x5.. for sure
14:00:11jhMikeSit is
14:01:00jhMikeSnow that there's no set_cpu_frequency, I don't see any #ifdefs within the CPU_COLDFIRE block
14:02:28markunI'm really glad we are moving everything to target tree. Makes it a lot easyer for people starting a new port.
14:02:55JdGordonwhile im playing in there.. i want to add stub files to the TT.. does anyone object?
14:03:17jhMikeSnot me
14:03:55markunJdGordon: what kind of stub files?
14:04:12JdGordonthe files that are needed with empty functions
14:04:26jhMikeSI'm also trying to minimize the header files included nowaday to just what a file requires when I edit. It spreads out the burden.
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14:07:36jhMikeSJdGordon: system-coldfire.c would be one level above system-iriver and two about system-x5.c. The set_cpu_frequency isn't the same.
14:08:17JdGordonthats the only function in the file... so leave it i guess...
14:09:40jhMikeSThe remaining stuff in system.c is totally shared though
14:09:57JdGordonthe #defines?
14:11:12jhMikeSonly what's in the header files is used. no conditional compiliation there
14:12:02jhMikeSoh wait...HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is used...what cf target doesn't use HAVE_LCD_BITMAP?
14:12:03JdGordonamiconn: fs 6264
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14:13:42JdGordonLinusN: is there any plan to move config-<target>.h into the tree also?
14:14:03LinusNno plans no, but i believe it might be beneficial
14:14:58jhMikeSIMHO it's kind of useful to have them together for searching...maybe a configs directory?
14:16:27jhMikeSmaybe I'm the only one that has to search all the time cause I forgot stuff :P
14:17:06JdGordonits nice to have them all in one place, but i think its better to keep the config with the target code
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14:17:38Vague_RantHey folks.
14:17:39 Quit Teknomancer ("Vision[1.2.0-Z-12102006]: i've been blurred!")
14:17:47Vague_RantI'm currently explaining the benefits of Rockbox to some guy.
14:17:58Vague_RantAre all Rockbox installations UMS?
14:18:14Vague_RantI want to say yes, but just need to make certain.
14:18:15Vague_RantGreat, cheers.
14:18:17jhMikeSIt needs no explaination...:)
14:18:32Vague_RantWell, the guy wants to buy an iPod.
14:18:45Vague_RantI'll pay that regular people need to explanation, but if you're willing to buy an iPod, then hey.
14:18:50Vague_RantYou need all the help you can get.
14:18:50LinusNlet's leave the config files for now
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14:19:23*jhMikeS is going to encrypt all the config files
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14:28:30jhMikeSJdGordon: gonna be awhile before moving the rest of the coldfire system stuff? just asking because any recording patch update should come afterwards.
14:28:52JdGordonwhich rest of it?
14:29:07JdGordonI was only moving stuff which stops compiling
14:29:24JdGordonso if there is more its because its not quite ready for TARGET_TREE >
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14:30:31jhMikeSIt's ready for system-coldfire.c for sure...guess I can go ahead. It's not much.
14:30:35JdGordonis the end goal to have no/almost no files in firmware/ and firmware/drivers?
14:30:37LinusNthe pcm stuff should eventually go to the target tree
14:30:46jhMikeSIt's already started :)
14:31:17LinusNthe goal is to have only generic/common code in firmware
14:31:41LinusNfirmware/drivers will still have some code, like the ATA driver for instance
14:31:59LinusNonly the hardware specific code should be in target/
14:32:20jhMikeSpcm_playback.c should have just that which calls an interface that hold the target specific code.
14:32:28jhMikeSsame for pcm_record.c
14:32:29LinusNjhMikeS: yeah
14:32:49LinusNsort of a HAL concept
14:33:48jhMikeSThere's still a little bit of spdif stuff remaining though in pcm_record...perhaps there should be an spdif file.
14:33:55*jhMikeS was thinking about HAL in 2001
14:33:58LinusNnot sure
14:34:05amiconnLinusN: Do you think the whole ata_mmc stuff should be moved to target/sh/archos/ondio/ ?
14:34:20amiconnThere are no other targets using mmc in spi mode
14:34:43LinusNwell, sure
14:35:00LinusNif we one day find another target that needs it, we'll handle it then
14:35:32LinusNwhatever feels right
14:36:18markunamiconn: I've read in the forum that SD (used by the Sansa) is a superset of MMC.
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14:38:49LinusNjhMikeS: no h120 yet?
14:40:51jhMikeSIt's supposed to come today whenever UPS gets here
14:41:07*preglow does the then-surely-a-commit-is-impending dance
14:41:44jhMikeSIt's only 8:39 am
14:41:51amiconnmarkun: SD is parallel development to MMC. Many commands are similar or equal. But the Sansa most probably uses SD protocol instead of SPI
14:42:01amiconn(and on Ondio we need bitswap as well)
14:42:13jhMikeSwhat about moving those inline functions in system.c as well to some targeted header?
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14:43:45jhMikeSin system.h even :)
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14:52:32jhMikeSsince we usually use (x)-target.h for the bottommost level is system-coldfire.h acceptable for the inline stuff in system.h?
14:54:01JdGordonuse system-target.h for all target_tree so it only needs to be included once...
14:55:21JdGordonjhMikeS: with the .c files.. there is no real reason why we cant have system-coldfire.c and system-iriver/x5.c for the bits that are different... sseen as SOURCES looks after that
14:55:29LinusNJdGordon: your player patch doesn't have any path for the new files
14:55:55JdGordonwoops. yeah, cvsdo add didnt work for some reason so i added them manually
14:57:03LinusNusb-player.c has cr/lf endings
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14:57:12jhMikeSwhat if there's more specific targeted system includes at some point? You have to get the correct system-target.h included. It'll have to go at the target/coldfire level
14:57:24JdGordonit shouldnt... i havnt been in windows for nearly a year :p
14:58:50JdGordonok, im falling asleep at the keyboard... gnite
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14:59:03jhMikeSJdGordon: nighty night
14:59:22jhMikeSguess there's an ata-target.h there so I'll just play along
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15:02:39markunI tried to improve but maybe I made it worse..
15:03:39LinusNmarkun: the "general" paragraph needs to be split up
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15:04:16LinusNi think "10" instead of "ten" is better in this context
15:06:08markunI'm not very good at it
15:06:31markunmaybe one of the manual guys can have a go
15:07:30LinusNcheck it out now
15:08:57markunyes, looks better
15:09:14markunthe Archos Recorder paragraph is also quite big
15:09:42LinusNwe should probably start having "theme weeks" in this project
15:09:50LinusNlike "wiki week"
15:09:57LinusNwhere we brush up the wiki
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15:10:42LinusNthat is where the non-programmers can really contribute
15:10:49amiconnLinusN: Typo ("Harware based")
15:11:09markunAnd maybe have a feature freese so we can concentrate on bugfixing ;)
15:11:30LinusNmarkun: lol
15:12:10LinusNlooks like MayDay was really meant to be in 2007
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16:19:00jhMikeSMAKE in libffmpegFLAC is giving me a No rule to make target 'system-target.h', needed by... yet that change gave no errors in the build table. There doesn't seems to be a full path for it in the depenency file.
16:20:02jhMikeSThe bin built just fine as well as libcodec and libTremor
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18:00:48pondlifeSlasheri: Quick question? codec_track_changed() sets track_changed immediately - I think this should be removed. Do you disagree?
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18:11:34pondlifeIt doesn't seem to slow the WPS display down noticably, now committed.
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18:16:01psiborgI don't quite get the recent bookmarks thing..
18:16:09psiborg'delete = on + play', eh whatnow?
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18:16:47hcswould you prefer 'delete = play + think about deletion'?
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18:18:07psiborgI would prefer play = play, select = delete
18:18:16psiborgmenu = exit
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18:18:23psiborgi'm using the nano build btw
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18:24:43lostlogicpondlife: Slasheri: I know it doesn't seem to be causing troubl eright now, but I'm still against the playlist operations for next and previous tracks being done on the calling thread insteda of on the audio thread through the queue.
18:25:41Slasheripondlife: how would you implement it then?
18:26:14Slasherilostlogic: it's done on the audio thread
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18:26:25Slashericalling thread does the wps updating only
18:26:44Slasheriand i don't want there to be delays when skipping tracks or that would make ui response horrible
18:26:58lostlogicSlasheri: sorry −− you're right, it's different then it was last time I looked, I think
18:27:03lostlogicnow we have a separate wps_offset variable
18:27:13Slasheriyes, i fixed that
18:27:33lostlogicsweet. we might start agreeing about things afterall :)
18:27:39Slasherihehe :D
18:28:20pondlifeSlasheri: I agree
18:28:35lostlogicnote to self: double check code before whining
18:29:11pondlifeSlasheri: track_changed still gets set, but a little later, when the audio thread processes the message.
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18:30:27pondlifeOnly thing I'm not sure sbout is whether track_changed should be set before or after the track changed callback
18:30:35pondlifeIt is now "after".
18:30:48pondlifeIt probably doesn't matter
18:31:12Slasherihmm, it shouldn't matter much.. iirc it's only for reloading the wps
18:31:54pondlifeIt means that the WPS may change track a tiny bit later, but I can't see a change and it's good to have one thread controlling each global variable
18:31:55lostlogicyeah, track_changed is a variable only used by the "is_track_chagned" or whatever function that other threads controlling the playback engine may call to find out if the track has changed recently
18:32:18lostlogicpondlife: actually that variable is always unset on a calling thread, not the audio_thread
18:33:06pondlifeWell, better 2 threads fighting than 3
18:33:15pondlifeUnlikely to matter much
18:34:03pondlifeHave either of you tried the panic on queue overflow patch out?
18:34:12lostlogichaven't, link?
18:34:17pondlifeHang on...
18:35:20pondlifeI can guarentee a panic when you shutdown with a queue length of 16.
18:35:34pondlife(or however you spell that g word)
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18:35:35LearNow what? I re-run configure, I run make clean, and still get this: *** No rule to make target `system-target.h'
18:35:45LearWhen building the flac lib...
18:36:01pondlifeSounds like configure didn't work?
18:36:28LearDidn't complain...
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18:37:40LearThe dependecy is for a file without path.
18:37:47pondlifeAnyway, I'd recommend that patch for team-playback.
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18:42:05lostlogicipod: no panics
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18:42:25pondlifeH340 here
18:42:44pondlifeDo a shutdown during playback
18:42:52lostlogicthat's what I just did ;)
18:43:10pondlifeOK. The ipod key mapping doesn't pause first or anything?
18:43:19lostlogicit probably does
18:43:27lostlogicactually looks like it pauses, stops, shutsdown
18:43:32pondlifeH340 goes straight to "Shutting down" I think
18:43:35lostlogicbecause they are three different press lengths of the same button
18:44:13pondlifeBut it doesn't know the length until you release, so it shouldn't do anything until that happens (or the longest length is reached)
18:44:23pondlifeBut I've no idea how that code works.
18:45:06lostlogicpondlife: the hold triggers are based on how long it's been held for, not how long it was held for when it's released
18:45:12lostlogicso shut down is just keep holding until it turns off
18:45:54pondlifeDoesn't that make it impossible to trigger a "long" action without first triggering the "short" action?
18:46:31lostlogicshort triggers on release only if a hold didn't happen
18:46:39lostlogicso I gues spause maybe doesn't happen on the long hold for shutdown
18:46:57hcsyeah, just goes right to stop
18:47:30lostlogicpondlife: the button handling code doesn't actually do this right (ie the applications hafta do it) the button handler reports 1) press 2) long press 3) release for a long press and 1) press 2) release for a short press −− applications interpret this as needed
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18:47:42lostlogicthat's why you see WPS_NEXT_PRE and WPS_NEXT
18:48:09lostlogica forward|release event is only a WPS_NEXT if the previous event was forward and not forward|hold
18:48:39amiconnlostlogic: This is handled by the button action code nowadays
18:48:45lostlogicI hate myself
18:48:49amiconnNo _PRE stuff anymore in the core
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18:49:05lostlogicspend 3 months not reading every commit and they _change stuff_
18:49:12pondlifeamiconn: Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was... but was deferring to lostlogic
18:49:12amiconnBut yes, it still works as described internally
18:49:49LearHa! Same errors on the build server, but still green!
18:49:59amiconnSo on ipod, it will always trigger stop before shutdown
18:50:22pondlifeNot on H340 though?
18:50:26amiconnLear: Scroll back a bit in the log, then you'll know who to blame
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18:51:05LearIt's that mikes-something, not sure about the handle. :)
18:51:08lostlogichmm −− the _PRE defines are still in the .hs, do they get undefined now?
18:51:10lostlogicor can they?
18:51:15LearMoved stuff to the target tree.
18:51:36pondlifeLear: Which target
18:51:54LearMost swcodecs, I'd imagine. Checked h1x0 so far.
18:52:17PaulJamfor h300 i get this error too.
18:52:44LearIpod nano was okay for some odd reason...
18:52:56lostlogicI believe video is (doing a totally clean build to make sure)
18:53:05lostlogicyeah, it's fine
18:53:26lostlogicpondlife: yeah, not H300 because stop is a short and shutdown is a long, not a long long
18:53:28LearOkay, so all coldfires then (or those using gcc 3.4.x)...
18:54:51LearAh, the flac makefile lacks a TARGET_INC.
18:55:23lostlogicwow, JdGordon is my hero for doign the button action stuff, that was one of my favorite things we discussed at devcon that I didn't think would ever actually happen.
18:56:07LearFunny it still works for arm targets though...
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18:59:29LearBah, same thing in liba52. :/
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19:22:28obolostlogic: if you want to shutdown, edit apps/main_menu.c and enable do_shutdown...
19:23:24lostlogicobo: shutdown w/o stopping ya mean?
19:23:34obolostlogic: yup
19:23:51oboit's ifdef'd for charcells only
19:24:06obobut worked nicely here when I needed to debug scrobbler shutdown on my ipod
19:25:06lostlogiccool, I'll keep that in mind
19:25:39oboI think it would be nice on platforms without a dedicated off button :)
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19:26:49lostlogicyah, not a bad idea for ipoops
19:26:56oboamiconn: possibly a stupid question... but is there a reason the Makefiles don't strip the compiled objects? Would that save any binary size?
19:28:35Pajama-BWhat's the best way to charge the 300, since rockbox can't charge it?
19:28:53Learobo: I think the objcopy step effectively strips them...
19:29:15bluebrotherPajama-B, why shouldn't rockbox be able charging the h300? It simply doesn't support usb charging (yet)
19:29:31oboah, okay, thanks Lear
19:29:39bluebrotheryou can use the OF for usb charging or use some patch that enables usb charging.
19:30:09Pajama-Bwhen the player is turned on when it's on AC, it won't boot into rockbox. and now the battery doesn't seem to be holding a charge. so I thought rockbox might have something to do with it
19:31:37bluebrotherthat booting into OF straightly when connected to AC is a security function.
19:32:06bluebrotherjust connect the charger after Rockbox has booted. AC charging is controlled by hardware, so nothing Rockbox does about
19:32:13bluebrother(it simply detects the charger)
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19:33:58Pajama-BBut it's just died in the middle of things which makes me think somehting with hardware is going on
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19:40:08neatanyone know if the ipod with itunes converts files to asc?
19:41:07markunI'm not sure what you are asking
19:41:46dproneat: the ipod definitely won't convert anything anyway
19:42:38neatwith itunes is there a conversion from mp3 to aac, or some other format?
19:43:31dproneat: I don't have iTunes butwhy would it convert a compressed format to another that makes even less sense than some other of aplle's ideas
19:44:39markunneat: do you want to convert mp3 to aac?
19:45:00neatno, i'm just wondering if its a default for that to happen with the ipod.
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19:55:25Pajama-BIt was charged fully, then when copying files using the iriver firmware the player died
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19:57:28Genre9mp3Pajama-B: What seems to be your problem?
19:57:44Pajama-Bseems like battery isn't holding a charge
19:58:23Genre9mp3how old is your player?
19:58:36Pajama-Bit was remanufactured
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20:01:17Pajama-Bdon't know if I should send it back or try something else
20:01:53Genre9mp3Pajama-B: You can also replace the battery if you can assure that it's to blame
20:02:08Pajama-BI'm not smart enough to take it apart
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20:03:15Genre9mp3have you done a battery benchmark?
20:03:29Pajama-Bhow's that work?
20:03:38Genre9mp3you wan't a link?
20:03:56Pajama-Byeah thanks
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20:10:21thickanyone here are using rockboy extension?
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20:13:17amiconnobo: Shutdown in the menu _is_ for targets without a dedicated button... so ifdefing it against charcell isn't fully correct. It should be ifdefed against one or more keypads
20:13:22thickwhat kind of roms do i need for using rockboy?
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20:13:36thickis there NES roms compatability?
20:13:48amiconnThat said, shutdown from menu is cumbersome... and the ipod doesn't have _that_ big lack of buttons
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20:16:15*Pajama-B confused
20:17:03hcsthick: there is no NES compatibility, though there is an NES music player in the works
20:17:16linuxstb_neat: I've only used itunes a little, but afaik it never transcodes with you asking it to. If you have a file that itunes can play, but itunes thinks your ipod can't play (such as mp2), it just won't sync it.
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20:18:55Genre9mp3Pajama-B: What is that you don't understand?
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20:20:07Pajama-Bany of it. I've never messed with plugins before
20:20:21Paul_the_Nerdlinuxstb: I do believe there was an option to automatically have it convert music, but it's disabled by default.
20:21:10Genre9mp3Pajama-B: You just need to go to Browse plug-ins and run battery_bench
20:21:25Pajama-Bwhat's this thing about keys?
20:21:28linuxstbPaul_the_Nerd: OK. I just feel like shouting at it and telling it MY ipod can play MP2s...
20:21:43Genre9mp3then load a playlist bigger than 30MB and leave the player playing
20:22:27Genre9mp3Pajama-B: You just get into the plugin and press Play... that's all
20:22:37Genre9mp3It then starts logging
20:22:50Genre9mp3You need to ensure that your battery is fully charged
20:23:11Genre9mp3before doing the test
20:24:31Genre9mp3Of course the longer it gets the better ;)
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20:24:47Pajama-Bwhat about connecting to usb?
20:25:09Pajama-Bwell it work with that too?
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20:26:03oboamiconn: like ?? But yes... I don't know if it's enough of a problem to change...
20:26:58Genre9mp3Pajama-B: What about it? We just want to see how much the battery will last, right?
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20:30:01Genre9mp3Pajama-B: Just leave it playing there after a full charge and hope that it will last for many hours
20:30:41Pajama-Bk. I'll have to wait until my friend gets home to do this
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20:37:28Pajama-BI'll have to show the log to somebody. because I probably won't be able to make sense of it
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21:00:19pindongahi. I was thinking of writing a plugin for RB that does something like IMMS (a plugin for xmms that learns what music you like by looking at what you listen, more or less). Does anyone know if there is already a project for this somewhere?
21:03:57Captain_Ayou could use the runtime db coinciding with this
21:06:37pindongapetur: you mean audioscrobbler? I was speaking of a project to create a plugin for rb
21:07:01pindongaCaptain_A: what do you mean by that? (please be explicit, as I am new to RB)
21:07:19peturpindonga: yes. rb already has native audioscrobbler ( support
21:07:44pindongapetur: oh.. I will look into that plugin then, thanks
21:07:52peturit's build-in
21:08:08peturlook at the playback settings menu
21:10:05pindongapetur: is this available in all rb builds? I am using the iriver port for my h340
21:10:26peturat least I think it is
21:10:52oboyup, all builds
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21:13:41pindongasorry. cannot find it. It should be under General Settings->Playback, right?
21:14:34peturyes, last line
21:15:08pindongaAuto-Change Directory ... :-(
21:15:17peturget a more recent build
21:15:32pindongamaybe in a newver release? I have 06/09/2006, i think
21:15:44peturyes, too old ;)
21:16:08pindongaok, thank you
21:16:47Slasheripindonga: you should check the tagcache also
21:16:59Slasheriit already allows creation of smart playlists
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21:36:15pindongapetur, Slasheri: thank you both, I will look into both features to see if the are what I want
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22:01:35Tempishow can you tell if you have an Archos Recorder v1 or 8MB?
22:02:02Bagder8MB requires a hw mod
22:02:19Tempisah, so I probably have a v1
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22:09:44Tempisthe link to download the rom flash stuff seems to be dead
22:09:59Tempis is not found
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22:12:56bluebrotherTempis, those files are outdated. Use Bootbox instead
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22:19:46Tempishmm, following the flash guide, when I select firmware_flash it says Incompatible Model
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22:24:32Paul_the_NerdHave you rolo'd into the new version?
22:24:44Tempisprobably not
22:24:57TempisI'm trying to follow the guide
22:25:09Tempisdidn't see anything about rolo
22:25:29Paul_the_NerdSimply put, the plugins you've downloaded run on the newer version of Rockbox
22:25:36Paul_the_NerdSo to be able to load them, you must first reboot into it.
22:25:46Paul_the_NerdEither by ROLOing or by holding the appropriate button while booting (not sure which)
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22:29:28Tempisthe button should be F1
22:30:37Tempisno matter which way I do it, I get Incompatable Model
22:30:48Tempisso I'm obviously doing something wrong
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22:35:35Paul_the_NerdThe whole build on disk is a new one, right?
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22:54:08bluebrothersilent today ...
22:55:05*Genre9mp3 makes some noise
22:55:44bluebrotherI did some work to the ReportingBugs page.
22:56:13bluebrotherhow about removing the direct tracker links from the menu and instead linking only to the FlySprayHowto page?
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23:32:17TempisPaul_the_Nerd, you around?
23:34:33TempisI'm pretty sure the build I have on there is new
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23:38:40Paul_the_NerdTempis: What I meant is that both the .rock file, and the rockbox binary have to be the same version
23:39:13Tempisahh, how do I tell what version they are?
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23:40:39scorcheTempis: what are you trying to do?
23:40:47Tempisflash my Archos
23:41:23scorcheand where did you get the files for that?
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23:45:29Tempisis that not the right place?
23:46:27Paul_the_NerdThose files aren't the ones you're having problems with though.
23:46:34Paul_the_NerdActually, wait.
23:46:37Paul_the_NerdWhat player do you have?
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23:46:49TempisArchos Recorder 10
23:47:04Davide-NYCHello everyone.
23:48:25Paul_the_NerdTempis: And you downloaded the bootbox_rec file?
23:49:05Paul_the_NerdAnd you've downloaded and extracted the newest build of Rockbox, and then ROLO'd into it?
23:49:16TempisI put today's build on there
23:49:53TempisI'm a bit fuzzy on what ROLO means
23:50:01Paul_the_NerdClick on the rockbox.file
23:50:07Paul_the_Nerdajbrec.ajz I think?
23:50:16Paul_the_NerdDo other plugins run?
23:50:22scorcheTempis: have you already flashed the .bin files to your player?
23:50:23Tempisyou hold F1 while it's starting up right?
23:50:32Tempisscorche, no
23:50:35TempisI'm trying to do that
23:50:56TempisI've tried a couple of plugins and they seem to work
23:50:56Paul_the_NerdI said to click the file...
23:51:19Paul_the_NerdHave you done the check to verify that your unit is flashable?
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23:52:55Paul_the_NerdDunno then.
23:53:32Tempisit says Flash: M=BF D=D6
23:54:47Tempisok, now none of the plugins work
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23:55:28scorchealright...(just checking since i didnt hear the prievious one and dont want to read the logs)
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23:55:39scorchedid you go to firmware_flash.rock?
23:55:56Tempisit says Incompatible Model
23:55:58scorcheor is that what is giving you the warning?
23:56:39scorcheis that all it says?
23:56:56Paul_the_NerdSince the plugins aren't working, you're *not* in the actual new version of Rockbox.
23:57:00Paul_the_NerdDid you ROLO like I told you to?
23:57:07TempisI thought I did
23:57:13scorchegrrr...just a sec...VMware is being stubborn
23:57:14Tempisit says ROLO on the screen
23:57:17Paul_the_NerdJust click on the file in the Rockbox file browser.
23:57:27Paul_the_NerdThe ajbrec.ajz or whatever.
23:57:41Paul_the_NerdNow try running a plugin
23:57:59Tempissame thing
23:57:59jhMikeSH120's here. looks like a new unit
23:58:24Paul_the_NerdWhat date does it say in the about screen?
23:58:34scorchePaul_the_Nerd: that doesnt really matter that is for when you flash rockbox...we are trying to flash the initial firmware (.bin)
23:58:35jhMikeSI think it turned out to be a pretty good deal :)
23:58:44jhMikeSEverything pack like factory
23:58:51Paul_the_Nerdscorche: But the plugin file has to be of a compatible plugin version.

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