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| 00:04:42 | Bagder | "I've noticed the e270 take a significant performance hit. First time was when I got to about 800 tracks −− I started getting a 12-second lag between tracks." |
| 00:04:57 | Bagder | that's... not gapless ;-) |
| 00:05:05 | dan_a | Ewww... where's that from? |
| 00:05:11 | Bagder | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25148&postcount=1 |
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| 00:09:37 | petur | "I'll stop fretting if this is normal" <−− I wouldn't |
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| 00:11:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | The e200's native firmware is far from ideal |
| 00:11:40 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: Tell me one DAP where the retail firmware is ideal... |
| 00:11:48 | preglow | _ideal_ |
| 00:11:49 | preglow | haha |
| 00:11:56 | preglow | even rockbox isn't ideal |
| 00:12:05 | amiconn | Surely not |
| 00:12:07 | Bagder | but 12 seconds gap must be some sort of record ;-) |
| 00:12:11 | amiconn | iDeal :P |
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| 00:12:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: There isn't one, but some of them are less far than others. The e200 is perhaps the most frustrating among the retail firmwares I've used, I think. |
| 00:13:04 | amiconn | Did you try archos of? |
| 00:13:10 | amiconn | (on your recorder that is) |
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| 00:13:14 | scorche | archos was pretty bad...although, at least they didnt impose DRM |
| 00:13:22 | amiconn | That's true |
| 00:13:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: I'll admit I never tried the Archos OF. I got the recorder from my brother and flashed RB without a second though. |
| 00:13:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | thought. |
| 00:14:05 | dan_a | I quite like iPod OF, I found it very easy to use. There were just a few minor changes I wanted to make to it... |
| 00:14:08 | Genre9mp3 | DRM was not spread at that time |
| 00:14:10 | scorche | it wasnt pretty ;) |
| 00:14:24 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: You can RoLo the archos firmware... |
| 00:14:25 | scorche | Genre9mp3: i know, but the thought still stands =) |
| 00:14:31 | Genre9mp3 | sure |
| 00:14:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: I just never saw a reason to try it. |
| 00:14:43 | JdGordon | yay! people are still awake, would anyone like to have a gander at fs#6258, and let me know if i can commit it this arvo? (even tho amiconn made it go out of sync overnight :p ) |
| 00:14:47 | Genre9mp3 | Best Rockbox feature: No DRM! ;) |
| 00:14:52 | scorche | i boot into it every so often to laugh |
| 00:14:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | The e200 firmware just seems to suffer a *lot* of performance problems. That's the main frustration I have with it, that it seems like those things should not happen in a retail firmware. |
| 00:15:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Same reason slowdown in console games drives me nuts. |
| 00:15:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: Is that target tree? |
| 00:15:12 | JdGordon | ye |
| 00:15:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's not like you're designing for a mutable environment |
| 00:15:23 | * | amiconn guesses the problem is his slight adc improvement |
| 00:15:52 | JdGordon | yeah, no big deal, but enough to unsync it :p |
| 00:16:33 | * | amiconn guesses the target tree move should be committed before fiddling with the h1x0 adc |
| 00:17:05 | * | amiconn is guessing a lot tonight |
| 00:17:35 | JdGordon | if its another small change then go for it.. ill move h100 today after my exam, so ill probably beat you to it anyway |
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| 00:37:35 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, it won't be a small change |
| 00:37:51 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 00:38:05 | amiconn | More of an asm blob |
| 00:38:14 | JdGordon | h1x0 adc? |
| 00:38:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:38:20 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 00:38:26 | amiconn | Won't happen today or tomorrow though |
| 00:38:35 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 00:39:43 | JdGordon | I dont want to commit that patch untill I get the ok from someone.. and anyway it will have to wait till this arvo |
| 00:40:00 | JdGordon | anyway, breaky then cram for exam, so ttyl |
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| 00:44:47 | preglow | and i'm out, later all |
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| 01:04:21 | rr332211 | Hey. I just got a 4g greyscale iPod yesterday. I've been messing around with putting various things on it, and right now, I'm working on Rockdoom. I've been searching all over, and all I can find is the Rockdoom wad, but no way to actually run it. |
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| 01:05:53 | petur | plugins -> doom ? |
| 01:06:09 | petur | _if_ ipod 4gen is supported |
| 01:06:23 | rr3322111 | Would it not be, due to it being greyscale? |
| 01:06:34 | petur | check the wiki page |
| 01:06:56 | rr3322111 | Which one? |
| 01:07:17 | rr3322111 | Everything seems scattered and confusing. |
| 01:07:39 | rr3322111 | I've been looking at this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 01:07:44 | Soap | the manual discusses every pluggin for your particular model. |
| 01:08:06 | Soap | and yea, that wiki page should do the trick also, one sec. |
| 01:08:18 | petur | seems it's supported. |
| 01:08:41 | petur | so you must go to the menu -> browse plugins -> doom |
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| 01:09:41 | rr3322111 | Oh! |
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| 01:10:18 | rr3322111 | I was looking at the rockboy just a few minutes ago, and finally found out (I think?) that my model doesn't support it. And it runs from browsing, NOT as a plugin. |
| 01:10:27 | rr3322111 | I guess I mixed them up. Testing...just a second. |
| 01:11:01 | rr3322111 | Missing Base Wad |
| 01:11:25 | rr3322111 | I know I saw this on the forums...searching. :P |
| 01:13:02 | rr3322111 | Apparently I need rockdoom.wad ... which I already have. |
| 01:13:40 | petur | ... in the correct place ... |
| 01:14:04 | rr3322111 | J:\games\doom? |
| 01:14:12 | rr3322111 | rockdoom.wad |
| 01:15:14 | petur | no idea - don't do games |
| 01:15:23 | rr3322111 | Well that sucks. |
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| 01:15:57 | petur | the wiki page should tell you all you need to know |
| 01:16:56 | rr3322111 | It didn't tell me much more than that... |
| 01:16:59 | Davide-NYC | does the H1x0 have a PCF50606? will the recent commit benefit only H3x0? |
| 01:18:17 | Soap | rr3322111 - the manual for your model has model-specific instructions. |
| 01:19:36 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: The commit msg clearly says H300. The H1x0 has no pcf50606 |
| 01:19:55 | Davide-NYC | that's what I thought, thanks for the confirm |
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| 01:20:24 | amiconn | Before that commit, the h300 had a slight cpu penalty compared to h1x0 (~3.5% at 45MHz, and ~2% at 124Mhz) |
| 01:20:35 | amiconn | Now it has a slight advantage :P |
| 01:21:13 | rr3322111 | Aha. |
| 01:21:24 | rr3322111 | I needed to get the Doom Shareware wad, as well :-P |
| 01:21:35 | rr3322111 | Thanks. |
| 01:22:26 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: thanks |
| 01:24:12 | Davide-NYC | I'm getting a lot of make warnings and it's telling me to upgrade to 3.81. I cannot build a sim |
| 01:24:15 | rr3322111 | It runs! Impressive, although slow/hard to see. :P |
| 01:24:29 | Davide-NYC | using VMWare image |
| 01:24:39 | Davide-NYC | just did a cvs up -dPC |
| 01:25:06 | Davide-NYC | so it should be like a cvs checout. |
| 01:25:30 | amiconn | You should only get exactly one warning to upgrade 'make' |
| 01:25:44 | amiconn | Apart from being slower than with a recent make, the build should work |
| 01:26:17 | Davide-NYC | I get a whole bunch of errors inside misc.c and misc.h and then the following: |
| 01:26:19 | Davide-NYC | make[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-devel/sim.H1x0/apps/misc.o] Error 1 |
| 01:26:20 | Davide-NYC | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 01:26:49 | Davide-NYC | any ideas? |
| 01:26:49 | amiconn | Then there's something up with your misc.c/misc.h |
| 01:27:00 | Davide-NYC | but I just did a cvs up -dPC |
| 01:27:01 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: also, u might need to rerun configure |
| 01:27:07 | Davide-NYC | did that |
| 01:27:19 | petur | and make clean? |
| 01:27:28 | Davide-NYC | no, what's that? |
| 01:27:41 | petur | fresh build |
| 01:27:44 | Davide-NYC | I deleted the contents of the sim dir and reconfiged |
| 01:27:47 | Davide-NYC | same thing? |
| 01:27:47 | petur | ah ok |
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| 01:28:25 | Davide-NYC | I can do a fresh checkout if y'all think that makes a diff/ |
| 01:28:40 | * | JdGordon is doing a sim build to check if its just you |
| 01:28:46 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: thanks |
| 01:28:55 | * | petur walks away |
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| 01:29:35 | JdGordon | no problems here |
| 01:29:48 | Davide-NYC | hmm |
| 01:29:53 | Davide-NYC | I will recheckout then |
| 01:32:00 | Davide-NYC | " cvs co -d . rockbox-devel" this will do a checkout into my current dir right? |
| 01:33:27 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe you checked out using sticky date/tags before |
| 01:33:31 | amiconn | ? |
| 01:33:57 | amiconn | Iiuc cvs up -C doesn't reset sticky tags |
| 01:34:27 | Davide-NYC | I just COed into a sub folder and will move it all up a level |
| 01:34:35 | Davide-NYC | brute force again |
| 01:34:41 | * | Davide-NYC looks for hammer |
| 01:34:45 | amiconn | Never move cvs working copies |
| 01:34:55 | Davide-NYC | oops |
| 01:34:55 | amiconn | You're calling for problems |
| 01:34:56 | Davide-NYC | ok |
| 01:35:00 | Davide-NYC | ok |
| 01:35:20 | Davide-NYC | I want to start from clean CVS co though |
| 01:36:53 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe it's not such a big problem to move cvs working copies as I thought... |
| 01:37:22 | Davide-NYC | I've done it before. But only because I don;t know what I'm doing |
| 01:37:28 | Davide-NYC | but it worked |
| 01:37:33 | amiconn | I still prefer checking out into the dir where I want the copy though... |
| 01:38:01 | scorche | Davide-NYC: just delete misc.c/h and re-checkout |
| 01:38:13 | Davide-NYC | doh! |
| 01:38:16 | scorche | although, i just got here... |
| 01:38:27 | Davide-NYC | no no, that exactly what I should do |
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| 01:59:11 | Pajama-B | Hey, got an iriver question |
| 01:59:51 | Pajama-B | I'm blind, so when I use the Korean firmware does it show up in Korean? or in English |
| 02:00 |
| 02:01:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd guess it defaults to Korean. I'm not terribly sure why it matters if you're going to be using Rockbox. |
| 02:02:20 | Pajama-B | okay |
| 02:02:54 | Pajama-B | Because there's this weird problem. when the iriver is plugged in, it won't boot into rockbox. |
| 02:02:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | If you need someone sighted to navigate through them for you, there should be English-language default ones that you can upgrade with for Rockbox. |
| 02:03:09 | Pajama-B | but it will load rockbox on battery |
| 02:03:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
| 02:04:33 | Pajama-B | does anybody else have this issue? it doesn't even make sense? |
| 02:05:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | I assume you mean H300 then? Or are you talking H10? |
| 02:05:19 | Pajama-B | 300 |
| 02:06:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Unfortunately I can't help much with such a thing, as I'm not familiar with the issues it has relating to charging. |
| 02:06:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | That, and I have to go. But good luck. :) |
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| 02:08:57 | Davide-NYC | pajama |
| 02:09:02 | Pajama-B | yeah |
| 02:09:04 | Davide-NYC | Pajama-B: hold on I'll get my 300 |
| 02:09:39 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: When the iriver is plugged in it boots in the original firmware |
| 02:09:46 | Pajama-B | yes |
| 02:09:55 | Genre9mp3 | and start charging from there |
| 02:10:12 | Pajama-B | yeah |
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| 02:10:57 | Davide-NYC | I believe that is the current intended behavior |
| 02:11:04 | Genre9mp3 | To boot to Rockbox from that state, unplug the player, hold stop to turn the player off and then boot to rockbox as you would normally do |
| 02:11:11 | Davide-NYC | there is still work to be done on the charging circuit |
| 02:11:13 | Genre9mp3 | Yes, it's intended |
| 02:11:30 | Genre9mp3 | The bootloader can't charge the unit at the moment |
| 02:11:42 | Davide-NYC | It'll charge once rockbox is booted |
| 02:11:46 | Genre9mp3 | That's why it boots to the retailOS |
| 02:11:52 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
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| 02:12:35 | Pajama-B | oh good i thought it was the unit i would have to send back or something |
| 02:12:49 | Pajama-B | relieved |
| 02:12:54 | Genre9mp3 | no... everything is fine with the player |
| 02:13:49 | Pajama-B | thanks thats good to know |
| 02:14:16 | Pajama-B | who was that guy that wanted to try to fix my broke 120? |
| 02:15:42 | Davide-NYC | that was jhMikeS |
| 02:16:00 | Pajama-B | oh |
| 02:16:16 | Pajama-B | that's what i thought. I pmed him and he didn't answer |
| 02:16:52 | Davide-NYC | I lloked at the method descibed at Mistic River |
| 02:17:03 | Davide-NYC | it's just a matter of removing capacitors |
| 02:17:14 | Pajama-B | if that's what's wrong with it anyway |
| 02:17:18 | Davide-NYC | true |
| 02:17:21 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 02:17:44 | Pajama-B | it does get hot though |
| 02:17:48 | Pajama-B | so something's up |
| 02:18:42 | Davide-NYC | if he doesn;t want it I'll give it a try. No promises though |
| 02:18:52 | Pajama-B | yeah. that's okay |
| 02:19:28 | Pajama-B | the only part that annoys me is i paid $90 for it |
| 02:19:44 | Davide-NYC | That's a good price! |
| 02:19:51 | Davide-NYC | If it were working |
| 02:19:51 | Pajama-B | yeah, if it would work.. heh |
| 02:19:54 | Davide-NYC | right |
| 02:19:56 | Davide-NYC | lol |
| 02:20:05 | Pajama-B | i paid 180 for my 40 |
| 02:20:16 | Davide-NYC | that's a correct price |
| 02:20:25 | Pajama-B | and it works fine, UPC sticker is worn htough.. I don't know if I want to know what they were doing with it... |
| 02:20:41 | Davide-NYC | using it to light matches |
| 02:20:46 | Pajama-B | lol |
| 02:21:16 | Davide-NYC | I actually might downgrade from my 140 to a 120 |
| 02:21:28 | Davide-NYC | The 140 is just a tad thick |
| 02:21:28 | Pajama-B | did you get your's new? |
| 02:21:31 | Davide-NYC | no |
| 02:21:50 | Pajama-B | yeah it's a little thicker than the 20 |
| 02:22:45 | Davide-NYC | it's just not "pocket friendly" |
| 02:23:01 | Pajama-B | mine fits in my pocket okay. |
| 02:23:17 | Davide-NYC | I must wear soe skintight pants then. |
| 02:23:20 | Davide-NYC | *some |
| 02:23:40 | Pajama-B | I got one for doing recording. I don't know of anything else that doesn't suck. the new sonmy md's broke the preamp and the r-09 sucks |
| 02:23:45 | Pajama-B | sony* |
| 02:24:30 | Davide-NYC | R-09? |
| 02:24:47 | Pajama-B | it was made to replace the r-1 |
| 02:24:49 | Davide-NYC | I that edirol or something? |
| 02:24:54 | Pajama-B | yep |
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| 02:25:44 | Davide-NYC | why do you say it sucks? |
| 02:26:27 | Pajama-B | too much quantization noise |
| 02:26:35 | Davide-NYC | really! |
| 02:26:45 | Pajama-B | the r-1 is cleaner |
| 02:26:51 | Davide-NYC | What abou the M-Audio Micro track? |
| 02:27:05 | Pajama-B | i'm not sure about that one |
| 02:27:36 | Davide-NYC | http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-focus.html |
| 02:27:53 | Pajama-B | that's the only problem i have with the r-1, i don't think it would fit in a pocket |
| 02:28:03 | Pajama-B | and I like to record concerts so... |
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| 02:28:37 | Davide-NYC | The M-Audio says Phantom Power but I'm not sure that means full 48volt |
| 02:28:52 | Davide-NYC | if it does AND sounds good it should be reallt cool |
| 02:28:57 | Davide-NYC | *really |
| 02:30:02 | * | Davide-NYC none of this is specifically rockbox related and am waiting to get yelled at by Paul |
| 02:30:42 | Pajama-B | lol |
| 02:30:45 | Genre9mp3 | Davide-NYC: He is not here! :P |
| 02:31:12 | Davide-NYC | Voice Files do not work if you put the rockbox.iriver fil inside the .rockbox folder. |
| 02:31:20 | Davide-NYC | is this a bug? |
| 02:31:55 | Pajama-B | I've never had that problem. but then again i haven't upgraded in awhile, since like the first of the month |
| 02:32:04 | * | Pajama-B is bad |
| 02:32:32 | Davide-NYC | as long as you leave the rockbox file in the root of the player it's fine. |
| 02:32:52 | Davide-NYC | I like to put it in the .rockbox folder and it was totally broken for me. |
| 02:32:59 | Davide-NYC | hard reset crashes |
| 02:33:02 | Davide-NYC | :-( |
| 02:33:13 | JdGordon | put that on FS |
| 02:33:18 | JdGordon | thats a bad bug then! |
| 02:33:40 | JdGordon | iirc there is some half-hearted plans to move the rockbox file into .rockbox |
| 02:34:15 | Davide-NYC | I will post a bug report right away |
| 02:34:37 | Davide-NYC | Urghh, what category do I use! |
| 02:34:39 | Davide-NYC | ? |
| 02:34:55 | JdGordon | i dunno.. they arnt very clear are they :D |
| 02:35:14 | Davide-NYC | User Interface then |
| 02:35:31 | Davide-NYC | Severity = High? |
| 02:35:33 | JdGordon | no, OS/drivers |
| 02:35:36 | JdGordon | na, medium |
| 02:35:57 | Davide-NYC | what do you call the rockbox file? |
| 02:36:26 | JdGordon | umm... |
| 02:36:36 | JdGordon | rockbox.<target> |
| 02:36:36 | JdGordon | ? |
| 02:36:42 | scorche | firmware image? |
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| 02:37:23 | Davide-NYC | Voice Files cause crash when firmware inage inside '.rockbox' folder. |
| 02:37:29 | Davide-NYC | *image |
| 02:37:31 | JdGordon | not for me it doesnt |
| 02:37:48 | Davide-NYC | what target? |
| 02:37:52 | JdGordon | h300 |
| 02:37:53 | scorche | wait...why are you putting the firmware image in the .rockbox folder? |
| 02:38:30 | Davide-NYC | I just do. I like to not have anything except folders in root |
| 02:38:40 | Davide-NYC | and it is supported |
| 02:39:11 | JdGordon | scorche: there was plans to move it there to neaten up / |
| 02:39:17 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: I have to check my H1x0 without the big rec patch |
| 02:39:24 | JdGordon | that could be it |
| 02:39:27 | Davide-NYC | yeah |
| 02:39:27 | scorche | JdGordon: not possible on all devices...i think |
| 02:39:34 | JdGordon | better try it with a clean cvs |
| 02:39:45 | JdGordon | ScoTTie: yeah, but on those that is possible it should be |
| 02:40:06 | * | scorche isnt ScoTTie |
| 02:40:11 | JdGordon | woops |
| 02:40:21 | Pajama-B | lol tab |
| 02:40:37 | Davide-NYC | heheh |
| 02:43:21 | Davide-NYC | It seems that the big rec patch will break voice when the firmware image is inside the folder. |
| 02:43:26 | Davide-NYC | otherwise all is well |
| 02:43:33 | Davide-NYC | no patch, no problem |
| 02:43:53 | JdGordon | ok, well there you go :D |
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| 02:44:22 | Tempis | Hello, can someone answer a question for me? |
| 02:44:28 | JdGordon | yes |
| 02:44:35 | JdGordon | thank you ... please come again |
| 02:44:42 | Tempis | wow, that was quick |
| 02:44:52 | Tempis | fast service here |
| 02:44:55 | Genre9mp3 | haha |
| 02:44:56 | JdGordon | that was also your one question... |
| 02:45:17 | Tempis | so this isn't like a genie three wishes kinda thing? |
| 02:45:48 | scorche | well, you said "a" question |
| 02:45:57 | Tempis | well, I have another question |
| 02:46:13 | scorche | we cant accept that one |
| 02:46:19 | scorche | you have to exit and then come back in |
| 02:46:24 | scorche | and then ask again of course |
| 02:46:46 | Tempis | actually, come to think of it, it's not actually a question about rockbox |
| 02:46:51 | JdGordon | Tempis (hopefully) learns to just ask, and not ask to ask |
| 02:47:03 | Tempis | I have an Archos Recorder 10 |
| 02:47:05 | scorche | we can only hope... |
| 02:47:15 | scorche | Tempis: that is a statement |
| 02:47:23 | Tempis | and I put some newer, high capacity NiHM batteries in it |
| 02:47:35 | Tempis | they don't seem to be charging |
| 02:47:47 | scorche | charging fully or charging at all? |
| 02:47:49 | Tempis | just wondering what the problem might be |
| 02:48:11 | Tempis | well it's been on the charger since last night and it hasn't moved much at all |
| 02:48:35 | scorche | is this using rockbox to charge or archos firmware? |
| 02:48:52 | Tempis | good question |
| 02:49:04 | Tempis | I have rockbox on it |
| 02:49:11 | scorche | flashed? |
| 02:49:12 | Tempis | but I don't have it loaded into the flash rom |
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| 02:49:32 | Tempis | I was considering flashing it |
| 02:49:35 | scorche | so is it charging in archos or rockbox? |
| 02:49:49 | Tempis | how would I tell? |
| 02:50:00 | scorche | well, is rockbox running or not? |
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| 02:50:20 | Tempis | Rockbox loads when I turn it on |
| 02:50:31 | Tempis | but I suppose it's not running when I just plug it in |
| 02:50:42 | scorche | if it isnt flashed, it is charging in archos |
| 02:50:50 | scorche | boot rockbox first, then charge |
| 02:50:51 | Tempis | roger |
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| 02:51:01 | scorche | or plug it in and then hold on till rockbox begins to boot |
| 02:51:33 | scorche | also, change the mah setting in rockbox |
| 02:51:41 | Tempis | I did that |
| 02:51:50 | Tempis | so I guess flashing it would be wise |
| 02:52:02 | scorche | charging in archos firmware has always taken a long time...and it will not charge higher mah batteries to their max |
| 02:52:10 | Tempis | I was rather apprehensive about doing that in case I screwed something up and ended up with just a brick |
| 02:52:19 | scorche | flashing it is always wise |
| 02:52:44 | scorche | as long as you follow the directions and dont have an empty battery, you shouldnt brick it |
| 02:52:46 | Tempis | is there a limit to the capacity batteries you can put in it? |
| 02:53:02 | scorche | there is, but the batteries havent caught up with it yet |
| 02:53:10 | Tempis | I bought some 2650mAh ones |
| 02:53:13 | Tempis | oh good |
| 02:53:38 | scorche | also, look at the wiki page RomBox for doing it |
| 02:54:00 | Tempis | your help is much appreciated |
| 02:54:28 | scorche | as i updated that recently to coincide with my patch that removes tagcache to allow building to rombox |
| 02:54:29 | Tempis | I wish I would have done some homework before buying this one, I didn't realize that the Recorder 10 didn't have usb 2.0 |
| 02:54:48 | scorche | yeah...usb 1.1 sucks indeed |
| 02:55:00 | scorche | and it requires archos drives |
| 02:55:06 | scorche | drivers |
| 02:55:10 | JdGordon | but its a regular 2.5" hdd.. so open it up and plug it straight into the computer |
| 02:55:32 | scorche | prrt...that is a pain ;) |
| 02:55:43 | Tempis | I might be opening it up soon anyway |
| 02:55:45 | * | scorche chooses to stop correcting his typos |
| 02:55:49 | Tempis | gonna pop a 60GB drive in it |
| 02:56:21 | Tempis | any idea how long it should take to get a full charge on it? |
| 02:56:23 | scorche | that is what makes the archos devices worth it still (to me at least), is that you can pop a very large drive in them |
| 02:56:46 | Tempis | I love my Archos |
| 02:56:49 | Tempis | it's my second one |
| 02:56:51 | scorche | when the battery level gets to 100% =) |
| 02:56:56 | Tempis | zing |
| 02:57:13 | Tempis | I had a Studio 10 for a couple of years, but it finally died |
| 02:57:46 | Tempis | oh, another question... I bought a universal car charger, but I don't know what voltage setting to put it on |
| 02:58:01 | JdGordon | 5v i would guess |
| 02:58:08 | JdGordon | but check the player first |
| 02:58:13 | scorche | dont guess... |
| 02:58:24 | JdGordon | it shuold have the symbol next to the AC plug on it |
| 02:58:25 | Tempis | yeah, I didn't want to guess either |
| 02:58:48 | Tempis | I didn't see anything on the unit, but I ddin't think about looking on the ac adapter |
| 02:58:54 | Tempis | good call |
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| 03:00:03 | Tempis | I'm looking on the wiki page, but I don't see anything called RomBox |
| 03:00:18 | scorche | type it into the box at the top |
| 03:00:27 | scorche | caps sensitive |
| 03:00:30 | Tempis | ah ha |
| 03:00:40 | Tempis | success! |
| 03:00:51 | Tempis | you're 3 for 3 tonight scorche |
| 03:01:03 | Tempis | got the hat trick |
| 03:01:35 | Davide-NYC | back in 20 minutes |
| 03:05:24 | scorche | Tempis: btw (forgot about that question), what are the specs of your car charger? |
| 03:05:38 | Tempis | I don't know off hand |
| 03:05:46 | Tempis | and it's out in the car |
| 03:06:09 | scorche | find out |
| 03:06:11 | Tempis | it's not that big a deal at the moment |
| 03:06:36 | scorche | well, the stock is 9V 600mA |
| 03:06:38 | Tempis | I was more worried about the current charging situation, which you have graciously helped me with |
| 03:06:57 | scorche | i would recommend a regulated 12V 1A though |
| 03:07:04 | Tempis | it's just a generic car charger I bought at Best Buy |
| 03:07:21 | scorche | well, find out the specs before you plug it in |
| 03:07:27 | Tempis | roger |
| 03:08:05 | scorche | center positive of course |
| 03:09:18 | scorche | Tempis: are you able to compile a new build for rombox? |
| 03:09:31 | Tempis | I haven't tried yet |
| 03:09:39 | Tempis | I'll probably wait till tomorrow to do it |
| 03:09:47 | scorche | well, do you have the cross-compiler set up and all |
| 03:09:56 | Tempis | I want to make sure the recorder gets a full charge |
| 03:10:00 | Tempis | no |
| 03:10:05 | scorche | ah |
| 03:10:17 | Tempis | I am quite sleep deprived right now and want to wait till I'm fully alert |
| 03:10:28 | scorche | well, if you are not able to compile it yourself, come back here and ask for me |
| 03:10:32 | Tempis | I don't want to screw it up because I am tired |
| 03:10:42 | Tempis | I'll just idle here |
| 03:10:47 | Tempis | but thanks |
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| 03:20:54 | Tempis | does anyone still sell archos accessories |
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| 03:25:28 | scorche | i believe there is one place |
| 03:25:36 | scorche | but what accessories would you want? |
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| 03:31:01 | Tempis | just wondering if there is anything cool out there |
| 03:31:24 | Tempis | it does seem to be charging correctly now |
| 03:31:53 | Tempis | but I'll know for sure tomorrow |
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| 03:33:54 | scorche | you can check on the battery screen in the debug menu |
| 03:34:04 | scorche | watch the voltage increase |
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| 04:46:42 | mechanori | can anyone tell me where the last.fm log is stored? |
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| 04:53:21 | aliask | mechanori: In a file called .scrobbler.log |
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| 05:13:27 | yipe | hey rockboxers, does anyone have an older copy of the ipod firmware? |
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| 05:14:13 | yipe | some idiot fuck at apple decided that the diskmode screen and the charging screen should have the backlight stay on, and now I can't sleep in the same room as my ipod |
| 05:15:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: Turn it over. |
| 05:15:37 | yipe | I know, I know, but you can still see the glowing outline on the bottom of this thing |
| 05:15:40 | midkay | it's really dim - what is the ipod, like facing you from one foot away? |
| 05:15:56 | yipe | someone's gotta have an older firmware, you extracted it when you installed |
| 05:15:56 | Pajama-B | Hey. we're having this issue with the 300 when using voice, browsing menu options or going to play a file, the drive just shuts off |
| 05:16:16 | yipe | I have one, small room, yes it's right by me |
| 05:16:20 | midkay | huh? a dim glowing outline prevents you from sleeping? shouldn't your eyes be closed? |
| 05:16:29 | yipe | it bugs me okay? |
| 05:16:39 | yipe | I don't question your fucking quirks |
| 05:16:44 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:16:50 | Tempis | such hostility |
| 05:17:06 | yipe | damn right, I want to sleep |
| 05:17:13 | yipe | I'm pissed off |
| 05:17:23 | midkay | good luck getting help.. *wanders off* |
| 05:17:37 | scorche | and you really are convincing people that they should send you yours.. |
| 05:17:43 | scorche | errr..theirs |
| 05:18:00 | yipe | if nothing else, help me out and I'll chill out and go away |
| 05:18:19 | Tempis | I don't own an iPod, so I'm out |
| 05:18:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: Put something over it, put it in a drawer, put it behind something face down... there are many, many solutions. |
| 05:18:22 | scorche | or we can ignore you, and you will go away |
| 05:18:26 | scorche | ;) |
| 05:18:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: Or install Rockbox, charge it in Rockbox with the backlight disabled, and shush. |
| 05:18:58 | yipe | I have rockbox |
| 05:19:29 | yipe | but when you plug in the ipod with rockbox, it switches to the default firmware's disk mode, |
| 05:19:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, I can see that you haven't read the FAQ |
| 05:19:54 | yipe | and some moron at apple who wasn't thinking at all, decided he'd start changing things around |
| 05:20:14 | yipe | I have read the FAQ, if you wanna remind me of some specific portion go ahead, but don't start making assumptions |
| 05:20:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | You can charge from within Rockbox, so quit complaining about Apple's decisions in a channel that doesn't care what the Apple firmware does or does not do. |
| 05:20:26 | aliask | yipe: Hold menu when you insert the cable. |
| 05:20:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: I know you haven't read it well, because I wrote it. You can charge by holding Menu while inserting the USB cable, after already being in Rockbox. |
| 05:21:08 | yipe | oh wow, you wrote it, that makes you a damn mind-reader does it? |
| 05:21:26 | yipe | reading /= memorising |
| 05:21:29 | Tempis | you really aren't making people want to help you |
| 05:23:15 | aliask | Gigabeat X series are very hard to find. |
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| 05:23:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: My point was that your problem could've been solved by simply reading the documentation instead of assuming that a solution didn't exist and/or complaining about an Apple feature that none of us have anything to do with. |
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| 05:24:17 | yipe | you'd think you'd agree with a complaint about apple's firmware |
| 05:24:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd think that I don't care to hear it. |
| 05:24:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | Especially more than once. |
| 05:24:39 | yipe | complain about something stupid in windows in a linux chan, it's nothing but toasts and heart hurrahs |
| 05:24:54 | yipe | "damn right they're dumb" |
| 05:25:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is #Rockbox, not #applesux. We don't deal exclusively with Apple players, and we're a replacement firmware which means it really doesn't matter what bugs exist in the original. |
| 05:25:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | While I understand the need to vent, you repeated yourself about it, which was unnecessary, and were unneedingly hostile toward someone else here. |
| 05:25:53 | yipe | I said I DON'T question his quirks |
| 05:26:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes, but your tone was clearly hostile as indicated by your choice of language. |
| 05:26:49 | yipe | swearing does not imply hostility |
| 05:27:09 | Tempis | taken in context it does |
| 05:27:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think to most of us that statement seemed hostile |
| 05:27:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Especially since this is a technical channel, and we try to avoid such language in most cases. |
| 05:27:48 | yipe | only to minds that lack subtlety, I can be angry and talk to someone and not be angry AT the person I'm talking to |
| 05:28:28 | yipe | and besides, who's he to question whether a LIGHT bothers me when I want to sleep? Again "I don't question your fucking quirks" |
| 05:28:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, you were angry at something unrelated to the statement, but consciously chose to express unnecessary anger in that statement? |
| 05:29:04 | Tempis | I have a technical question when the current conversation has exhausted itself |
| 05:29:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: Feel free to ask |
| 05:29:15 | yipe | you never told somebody about something that pissed you off, in a tone that expressed how you felt? |
| 05:29:31 | yipe | are you ben stein with a constant monotone? |
| 05:29:34 | Tempis | what would cause the batteries in an archos recorder 10 to become scalding hot |
| 05:29:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: I never type an expression of anger in a statement that was not meant to express anger about what was being said. |
| 05:29:51 | yipe | NO, you express yourself, you're a human being with emotions and when you talk about them you let them out |
| 05:29:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: Proper charger? |
| 05:30:02 | Tempis | it wasn't on a charger at the time |
| 05:30:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: I said TYPE |
| 05:30:06 | Tempis | and hadn't been for hours |
| 05:30:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: When you type you have this wonderful opportunity to read things before pressing enter, therefor not saying things you don't mean. |
| 05:30:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: The player was on and became hot? |
| 05:30:43 | Tempis | it was off, if I remember correctly |
| 05:30:57 | Tempis | I was holding it and noticed it getting hot |
| 05:31:04 | yipe | so I take it you type 5 words a minute? 'Cause I type pretty damn fast, and my little finger heads right for htat enter key when I'm done |
| 05:31:11 | Tempis | I had been listening to it a few minutes before |
| 05:31:22 | Tempis | but it didn't start to get hot till after I shut it off |
| 05:31:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: Strange. Unfortunately I'm not terribly familiar with that hardware, so I can't really offer any advice. I don't know much about the normal operation, or what could cause it. |
| 05:31:40 | scorche | it is strange... |
| 05:32:09 | scorche | there should be no activity going on after turning off that would make them hot |
| 05:32:11 | Tempis | I took the batteries out before the whole thing melted down |
| 05:32:33 | Tempis | I don't think it was the archos that was getting hot |
| 05:32:54 | yipe | and btw Paul, your replacement firmware relies on the original firmware everytime you want to load files onto the device, you SHOULD care what apple does, because it does affect you |
| 05:33:02 | scorche | yeah, but for batteries to get hot, there typically is something that they are doing |
| 05:33:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: Our replacement firmware has NOT BEEN RELEASED YET. Its final version should not rely upon that. |
| 05:33:22 | Tempis | well, that's what prompted me to get these new ones |
| 05:33:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | yipe: If you are unwilling to recognize that you are a tester and not a user, feel free to uninstall it. |
| 05:34:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: Can you reproduce the heating, or was it a one-time only thing (understandable if you haven't tried, for fear of damaging of course :)) |
| 05:34:41 | Tempis | it was a one-time thing |
| 05:34:49 | Tempis | I just thought it was odd |
| 05:35:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | It is odd |
| 05:35:14 | Tempis | didn't know if perhaps it might be a known issue with these things |
| 05:35:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Could be some sort of short, I suppose |
| 05:35:18 | aliask | Batteries generally get hot/warm when in use |
| 05:35:36 | Tempis | I don't know much about NiHM batteries |
| 05:36:10 | aliask | Oh! I think it might be because the reactants in the battery are reacting directly, not via the electrolyte. It would be an exothermic reaction and thus produce heat. (Hooray for chemistry) |
| 05:36:31 | aliask | So damaged battery? |
| 05:36:36 | Tempis | that's as good an explanation as any |
| 05:36:43 | Tempis | I tossed them |
| 05:36:49 | Tempis | didn't want to take a chance |
| 05:37:10 | aliask | If that was the case you'd be getting crappy runtimes from the batteries anyway |
| 05:37:12 | Tempis | they got so hot that the plastic coating on the batteries started to melt |
| 05:37:34 | Tempis | they stayed very hot for quite a long time |
| 05:37:43 | Tempis | I just let them sit there on the table |
| 05:37:58 | scorche | yeah...some kind of reaction must have been going on inside then |
| 05:38:04 | Tempis | I did notice that they ran down qutie quickly, but I didn't know if that was normal or not |
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| 05:38:54 | Tempis | I'm going to attempt to flash the firmware tomorrow |
| 05:39:14 | scorche | alright |
| 05:39:33 | Tempis | it seems to have taken a full charge in just a few hours |
| 05:39:38 | Tempis | so that's good |
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| 05:46:10 | ze | hmm so my mom just got an 80G ipod.. i guess it's the "5.5th" generation, and thus unsupported? |
| 05:46:17 | scorche | correct |
| 05:46:24 | ze | will it be supported? |
| 05:46:31 | scorche | eventually |
| 05:46:39 | Pajama-B | i got the latest build for the 300 and when browsing through menus or playing files when using voice, the drive shuts off hard... |
| 05:46:39 | ze | ok |
| 05:49:30 | Pajama-B | when i try to turn it back on, it shuts off again. if I keep trying, it does so more quickly each time until it will hardly turn on at all |
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| 06:02:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Pajama-B: What exactly happens? Saying the drive shuts off hard doesn't really describe how your player's acting, and it's hard to know what you mean by it. |
| 06:03:11 | Pajama-B | it doesn't spin down or anything just goes off suddenly |
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| 06:05:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Strange |
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| 06:12:12 | daurn|afk | does it click? |
| 06:12:31 | Pajama-B | yeah it clicks right off |
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| 06:48:15 | JdGordon | does anyone know if CONFIG_CPU == MCF5249 for any targets other than iriver hxxx and the x5? |
| 06:49:23 | scorche | well, those are the only targets that have that CPU.. |
| 06:49:45 | JdGordon | yeah.. thats what i mean |
| 06:49:52 | JdGordon | devcie chart says no |
| 06:49:56 | scorche | well, x5 has a 5250 |
| 06:50:14 | JdGordon | yeah, i got confused |
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| 07:03:27 | jdhoreotg | how do i get back to the file vrowser easily from the WPS? |
| 07:03:35 | jdhoreotg | *browser |
| 07:03:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | jdhoreotg: What kind of player? |
| 07:03:44 | jdhoreotg | iPod 4G |
| 07:03:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tap the select button |
| 07:04:00 | jdhoreotg | wow...that easy? |
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| 07:06:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is there some reason it should be complicated? ;) |
| 07:07:08 | jdhoreotg | i just assumed it would be, i guess... |
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| 07:11:03 | EnterUserName | whats the best music format for best quality yet smallest disk size? |
| 07:11:26 | jdhoreotg | OGG, i think |
| 07:11:30 | jdhoreotg | i use AAC though |
| 07:11:34 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 07:11:46 | EnterUserName | let me try |
| 07:11:46 | EnterUserName | ehh |
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| 07:21:05 | BHSPitMonkey | indeed |
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| 07:22:15 | BHSPitMonkey | hush, you. |
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| 07:24:50 | JdGordon | anyone here have an iriver h1x0? |
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| 07:31:16 | edan | hi all |
| 07:31:45 | BHSPitMonkey | yo |
| 07:32:21 | edan | I want to set up the cross compiler on Ubuntu Edgy. What do I need installed to build the cross compiler? |
| 07:32:56 | jchillerup | build-essential |
| 07:32:57 | jchillerup | apt-get it |
| 07:33:01 | edan | ok |
| 07:34:54 | BHSPitMonkey | it'd be nice if someone packaged the cross-compilers for edgy |
| 07:35:11 | BHSPitMonkey | on that note, I've been meaning to start tinkering with packaging when I get some spare time, so I might look at that |
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| 07:38:28 | dave | hey all |
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| 07:38:51 | EnterUserName | any progress with flac and oggs on nanos? . I dont know if u guys know but it crashes it :) |
| 07:39:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | What build are you using? |
| 07:39:16 | EnterUserName | 29th |
| 07:39:21 | EnterUserName | last nights build 1am |
| 07:39:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Have you tried updating to a CVS build, there's mention of changes to related code in the changelog... |
| 07:39:42 | edan | don't think I've had any probs with ogg on my nano |
| 07:39:49 | JdGordon | Paul_the_Nerd: you have a h100 dont you? |
| 07:39:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | JdGordon: I'm not home, though. =/ |
| 07:40:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | I have one, but it's not with me. |
| 07:40:49 | JdGordon | damn, ok |
| 07:41:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Sorry. Why do you need one? |
| 07:41:27 | JdGordon | i moved it into target tree and want someone to test the build |
| 07:41:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
| 07:43:21 | EnterUserName | ok using cvs bleeding edge lol :) |
| 07:43:26 | EnterUserName | lets see if i kill it |
| 07:43:27 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 07:43:37 | EnterUserName | eject /dev/sdb |
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| 07:44:59 | EnterUserName | hmm the oggs still killing it :S |
| 07:45:46 | edan | do all oggs do it? |
| 07:46:02 | EnterUserName | the screen just goes blank ya it happens randomly |
| 07:46:15 | EnterUserName | same with flac im trying to listen |
| 07:46:30 | scorche | EnterUserName: are you using the eq, crossfade, or have a WPS that uses peak meters? |
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| 07:46:48 | EnterUserName | Oh. Yes. I'm using RockAmp-Blue |
| 07:47:02 | EnterUserName | would that cause it? |
| 07:47:07 | scorche | wait...you saiy it is crashing the ipod? |
| 07:47:10 | scorche | said |
| 07:47:25 | EnterUserName | Yes. It just stops and the screen goes black |
| 07:47:51 | scorche | and you have to reboot after that? |
| 07:47:59 | EnterUserName | yup let me verify it |
| 07:48:06 | scorche | ah... |
| 07:48:10 | * | scorche didnt read up |
| 07:48:40 | EnterUserName | Yes.. im playing ogg and whuile im switching songs (or flac) it goes black the screen and everytrhign stops |
| 07:48:55 | scorche | odd... |
| 07:48:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | And this never happens with MP3? |
| 07:49:01 | EnterUserName | nope |
| 07:49:14 | EnterUserName | it may have not been fully upgraded gimme a sec |
| 07:49:29 | EnterUserName | hmm its not crashing yet :).. |
| 07:50:10 | EnterUserName | hmm it did some type of "installation complete" |
| 07:50:47 | scorche | "it"? |
| 07:51:15 | EnterUserName | the ipod said installation complete after booting up.. i think that might have fixed it(after installing a cvs bleeding edge build) |
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| 07:52:05 | * | scorche has never seen "installation complete" |
| 07:52:16 | EnterUserName | Really wierd :) Well its not doing it now.. <Shrug> |
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| 07:53:06 | EnterUserName | mebbe it was just a bug in the previous build i was using. Offtopic which takes more cpu OGG or flac |
| 07:53:59 | scorche | atm OGG i believe...but then again, flacs are bigger so they have to retrieve the information faster |
| 07:54:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: FLAC takes the least CPU of just about anything but WAV, but because of the size it doesn't use less battery power just because of disk spinups |
| 07:54:55 | EnterUserName | i use USB Flash (its nano) |
| 07:55:07 | EnterUserName | so if i were to save battery mp3 or flac or ogg? |
| 07:55:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | On a Nano, if you can fit the FLAC files, you may as well use 'em. |
| 07:55:24 | EnterUserName | hmm ok |
| 07:55:53 | EnterUserName | thank you all for your help.. its really nice modifications cant wait to see the battery longer its not too bad though.. i get about 6-8 hours |
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| 07:59:34 | JdGordon | 8 builds later, i can safely say my patch is safe :D |
| 07:59:44 | JdGordon | bloody target and sim builds for 4 targets :'( |
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| 08:00:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | It'd be neat if configure just had a "Test All" option that built and made clean for all of the targets. |
| 08:01:05 | JdGordon | ye, that would be nice |
| 08:01:16 | hcs | I've a script that does that |
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| 08:01:51 | JdGordon | how long does it take to run everything? |
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| 08:02:29 | hcs | I don't know, I don't actually use it for everything, just a few builds, but it runs off a list of numbers |
| 08:03:00 | JdGordon | can u make it available please? |
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| 08:03:31 | hcs | http://pastebin.ca/228768 |
| 08:03:39 | bluebrother | grrr. Seems like a new "bug" in the tracker again. |
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| 08:04:05 | * | bluebrother wants those direct links to the tracker to disappear |
| 08:04:26 | JdGordon | hcs, ta, nice n simple :) |
| 08:05:03 | hcs | JdGordon: that's how I like it, I'd rather spend 15 minutes writing something that's going to run for an hour anyway than spend a lot of time worrying about it |
| 08:05:12 | JdGordon | true |
| 08:05:53 | hcs | I have a bunch of extra stuff applying patches and doing renames in my version, so I can get different platform builds for the NSF patch |
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| 08:07:40 | edan | oh COOL |
| 08:08:05 | edan | I updated rb in a few days and see the fade-on-stop/pause is fixed on the Nano |
| 08:08:16 | edan | it now fades smoothly |
| 08:08:32 | edan | ah bum. no it doesn't. oh well |
| 08:09:19 | edan | it sort of does.. I think |
| 08:09:21 | edan | anyway |
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| 08:11:53 | EnterUserName | edan thanks for you nano work :) |
| 08:12:06 | edan | hmm? |
| 08:12:10 | edan | what anno work? |
| 08:12:12 | EnterUserName | Do you have an extended battery on your nano |
| 08:12:17 | edan | nah |
| 08:12:18 | EnterUserName | yer one of the developers right :) |
| 08:12:22 | edan | nope |
| 08:12:26 | EnterUserName | oh so if you play oggs does it eat up alot of battery |
| 08:12:29 | EnterUserName | im testing itout |
| 08:12:44 | edan | I just compile it myself cos I want the album art patch |
| 08:12:50 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 08:12:55 | EnterUserName | is that in the next build |
| 08:12:57 | edan | I'll check an ogg now tho to be sure |
| 08:13:00 | EnterUserName | the album art patch would be great :) |
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| 08:13:08 | edan | compile it yourself dude |
| 08:13:12 | edan | that's what I do |
| 08:13:18 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 08:13:33 | edan | just get the patches from flyspray and apply them then compile yourself |
| 08:13:40 | EnterUserName | really |
| 08:13:41 | edan | here, I'll make it REALLY easy for you in fact |
| 08:13:49 | edan | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 |
| 08:13:51 | edan | there you go |
| 08:13:54 | EnterUserName | thanx |
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| 08:14:28 | hcs | hey there, faulty |
| 08:14:37 | pagefault | yo |
| 08:14:45 | EnterUserName | what kind of patches are there edan... as an example that u use? |
| 08:14:47 | edan | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/3045 is the album art patch |
| 08:14:59 | edan | righ tnear the bottom is the latest version of the patch |
| 08:15:41 | edan | and you'll need this too: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5697 |
| 08:15:58 | edan | apply that bmp_resize patch before the albumart one |
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| 08:16:25 | EnterUserName | ok . i'll try it out tomorrow |
| 08:16:31 | edan | but read that guide |
| 08:16:41 | edan | it gives clear, step-by-step instructions |
| 08:16:44 | EnterUserName | any patches to save up battery :) |
| 08:16:59 | edan | heh |
| 08:17:21 | EnterUserName | im using linux but im sure i can find one :) |
| 08:17:35 | EnterUserName | but thank you ;) i'll try it tomorrow its 2am here |
| 08:17:50 | edan | ok. setting up linux for compiling rockbox is REALLY easy thanks to bagder |
| 08:18:07 | edan | he wrote rockboxdev.sh I think |
| 08:18:12 | Bagder | I did |
| 08:18:26 | edan | hey Bagder |
| 08:18:33 | edan | makes it nice and easy. heh |
| 08:18:33 | Bagder | morning! |
| 08:18:38 | edan | for us n00bs |
| 08:18:59 | EnterUserName | looking over the windows th ing it looks like it uses linux |
| 08:19:12 | EnterUserName | with vmplayer |
| 08:19:12 | Bagder | you mean cygwin? |
| 08:19:16 | edan | it does vis VMWare |
| 08:19:18 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:19:36 | Bagder | vmware or cygwin are the two routes you can select from on windows |
| 08:19:44 | JdGordon | or colinx... |
| 08:19:46 | EnterUserName | oh ok.. I use suse.. so ill skip a bunch |
| 08:19:48 | EnterUserName | colinux rocks: ) |
| 08:19:49 | JdGordon | 3 routes :p |
| 08:20:01 | EnterUserName | Thank you all for your help .. i got the web pages marked: ) |
| 08:20:02 | Bagder | right, colinux is there but nobody is using that is there? |
| 08:20:10 | JdGordon | probably not.. |
| 08:20:17 | edan | hey. any of you using ntfs-3g? |
| 08:20:21 | Bagder | so I would not recommend colinux due to that |
| 08:20:26 | edan | are there any horror stories from using it? |
| 08:20:43 | EnterUserName | edan: any screen shots? |
| 08:20:48 | EnterUserName | u have for your album art |
| 08:20:48 | edan | of what? |
| 08:20:52 | EnterUserName | wps |
| 08:20:53 | edan | oh. yep |
| 08:20:55 | edan | hold on |
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| 08:20:59 | JdGordon | Bagder: ive moved both the h100 and the h300 to target tree and everything compiles cleanly and works, should i commit it? or would you rather someone checks the patch first? |
| 08:21:40 | Bagder | JdGordon: have a word with amiconn and/or Linus first |
| 08:21:53 | JdGordon | ok, damn them for sleeping in! |
| 08:21:59 | EnterUserName | Edan |
| 08:22:02 | EnterUserName | Do you use amarok? |
| 08:22:13 | Bagder | JdGordon: you know them, lazy bastards! ;-P |
| 08:22:24 | EnterUserName | Whos linus :) Is that linus from Kernel :) |
| 08:22:25 | EnterUserName | :p |
| 08:22:31 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:22:34 | EnterUserName | really? |
| 08:22:36 | Bagder | from the Rockbox kernel ;-) |
| 08:22:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 08:22:39 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 08:22:43 | EnterUserName | i thought it was THE linus :) |
| 08:22:50 | JdGordon | it is THE Linus |
| 08:22:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | He is THE Linus to us. |
| 08:22:56 | EnterUserName | from Linux kernel to? |
| 08:22:57 | EnterUserName | oh hehe |
| 08:22:58 | EnterUserName | ;) |
| 08:23:00 | JdGordon | the other one is a loser :D |
| 08:23:03 | EnterUserName | LOL!!! |
| 08:23:04 | * | EnterUserName laughs |
| 08:23:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | LinusT is all flash and showbiz. :-P |
| 08:23:16 | EnterUserName | well I'll name my kid Linus maybe its the name and stuff :) |
| 08:23:29 | Bagder | no, its the mother language ;-) |
| 08:23:31 | JdGordon | unless your from scandinavia your not allowed to! |
| 08:23:41 | edan | edan/edan/rb/nano_wps.jpg">http://users.on.net~edan/edan/rb/nano_wps.jpg |
| 08:24:09 | EnterUserName | not bad.. |
| 08:24:11 | edan | thjat's my wps |
| 08:24:37 | EnterUserName | I like it showing the bitrates though.. maybe i wont do it or maybe i'll just doit to see what it looks like |
| 08:24:49 | EnterUserName | or maybe i'll do it to sell it to my friend who has a 1 gig ipod ;) |
| 08:24:50 | edan | I don't care about the bitrate any more |
| 08:25:05 | edan | nor so I care what codec it is. heh |
| 08:25:08 | EnterUserName | erk she may have a second generation :) |
| 08:25:14 | EnterUserName | ill have to double check |
| 08:25:15 | JdGordon | the nano screen is way to small to have AA.. but then again i prefer seeing the name of the song instead of the cd cover |
| 08:25:26 | edan | or pretty much anything else. I just wanted track time, track name, album name and album art |
| 08:25:45 | EnterUserName | Did they have 1 gig first generation nanos |
| 08:26:01 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 08:26:08 | JdGordon | im pretty sure they did |
| 08:26:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually, as a neat WPS idea, would be very very large album art of the back of the CD case, with the track highlighted, using per-song art. |
| 08:26:22 | Bagder | yeps |
| 08:26:24 | EnterUserName | Edan: thanx :) |
| 08:26:30 | edan | np |
| 08:26:37 | EnterUserName | Edan; do you use amarok to transfer over your files? |
| 08:26:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | I mean, the WPS itself would just be %C or whatever. |
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| 08:26:53 | edan | EnterUserName, : nope. I use nautilus |
| 08:27:00 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 08:27:03 | EnterUserName | so you just drag and drop? |
| 08:27:06 | edan | or DOpus on Windows (windows explorere replacement) |
| 08:27:08 | edan | I do |
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| 08:27:15 | edan | http://www.amazon.com/Apple-GB-iPod-Nano-Black/dp/B000BMAL10 |
| 08:27:20 | * | Bagder prefers rsync |
| 08:27:21 | edan | 1GB 1G Nano |
| 08:27:34 | EnterUserName | oh Im playing around with Amarok.. i got it using a TranSkode script to change to ogg |
| 08:27:38 | EnterUserName | im testing things out :) |
| 08:27:40 | edan | Bagder: I also LOOOVE SyncBack on Windows |
| 08:27:53 | edan | err... transcoding huh....? |
| 08:28:10 | EnterUserName | changing my flacs or mp3s |
| 08:28:18 | EnterUserName | it changes it real quick for some reason |
| 08:28:23 | edan | I'd never transcode |
| 08:28:29 | scorche | flacs are fine |
| 08:28:32 | scorche | mp3s are not |
| 08:28:34 | EnterUserName | there huge though :) |
| 08:28:34 | edan | even FLAC |
| 08:28:37 | edan | I wouldn't do it |
| 08:28:41 | scorche | uhhh...why? |
| 08:28:44 | scorche | flac is lossless |
| 08:28:50 | edan | so? |
| 08:29:07 | EnterUserName | Scorche: u dont like mp3s? Flacs are huge though i didnt realize that |
| 08:29:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | So FLAC->Anything is the same as CD->Anything |
| 08:29:10 | EnterUserName | its like 20MBS a file :) |
| 08:29:12 | scorche | so there is no loss in quality |
| 08:29:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Well, there's no *additional* loss to quality beyond the encoding loss |
| 08:29:36 | scorche | of course |
| 08:29:54 | EnterUserName | using a nano u could only maybe fit like 100 songs? |
| 08:29:56 | EnterUserName | or less right? |
| 08:30:01 | hcs | can mp3s be made more precise with > 16 bit input? |
| 08:30:01 | edan | CD isn't better than anythign tho... unless it's just stereo |
| 08:30:32 | * | Paul_the_Nerd doesn't understand that sentence. |
| 08:30:44 | * | scorche looked at it and refused to try |
| 08:30:54 | EnterUserName | If you use flacs on your nano your looking at 100 songs at the most |
| 08:31:20 | edan | hcs, : I doubt MP3 supports anything >16bit |
| 08:31:55 | EnterUserName | hmmm. hows oggs? |
| 08:31:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | EnterUserName: Your best bet is to just do a private listening test, most people can't hear the difference between either MP3, AAC, or Ogg/Vorbis at a certain quality level than the original CD. |
| 08:32:05 | edan | not would it support anything >48KHz I bet |
| 08:32:09 | hcs | edan: yeah, but I meant if you had access to a more accurate uncompressed source, could you make a more accurate MP3? |
| 08:32:11 | edan | not=nor |
| 08:32:26 | EnterUserName | Paul: will do :) |
| 08:32:52 | EnterUserName | So i'm guessing oggs are better compared to mp3s? |
| 08:33:01 | edan | hcs, interestign quetion really. I dunno |
| 08:33:08 | BHSPitMonkey | Paul_the_Nerd, I have a really good musical ear, but I frankly can't tell if a bitrate is higher than 128kbps, or how it's compressed :) |
| 08:33:19 | BHSPitMonkey | nor do I really care |
| 08:33:22 | edan | I gather you'll only get 24bit internally within your production software |
| 08:33:36 | BHSPitMonkey | it's not as striking as looking at a JPEG next to a PNG |
| 08:33:48 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 08:33:55 | edan | it'd have to make SOME sort of difference tho |
| 08:33:55 | EnterUserName | i do 192. |
| 08:34:20 | edan | I mean, I write everything at 24bit, 96KHz in Ableton |
| 08:34:41 | edan | but I can't render to mp3 directly |
| 08:34:51 | edan | I render to wav then convert using Razorlame |
| 08:35:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: MP3 at 128 has a certain quality to me that does offend, but I'll admit I've not ABXed it, so it could very easily be in my head. |
| 08:35:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: But to me at least, if I *think* it sounds better, then I enjoy it more, even if it doesn't really, so I stick with Ogg/Vorbis. |
| 08:35:31 | edan | I know one thing tho.... heh |
| 08:35:52 | edan | there's a MASSIVE quality diff between 48KHz and 96KHz |
| 08:36:11 | edan | a definitely-audible difference |
| 08:36:32 | BHSPitMonkey | Paul_the_Nerd, I've got nothing against switching over to ogg/vorbis, (I'm all for going Open), and I ripped my first CD in ogg today; the only issue is that it's not a supported standard... |
| 08:36:41 | BHSPitMonkey | and I know that's a crappy justification |
| 08:37:02 | edan | I'm sort of tempted to buy one of the new 24/192 cards to see how much diff there is between 96KHz and 192KHz |
| 08:37:14 | BHSPitMonkey | but when it comes to music, I'd rather have it and be using a crappy format, than not have it at all |
| 08:37:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: Oddly, apparently the new iRiver player comes with ripping software that only does WMA or Ogg, not MP3. Or so I hear. |
| 08:37:35 | BHSPitMonkey | so the irivers themselves play ogg? |
| 08:37:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | edan: Supposedly my laptop has a "high definition" 24/192 audio card built in, but I've got no source and no earphones to do it justice. |
| 08:37:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitMonkey: Many iRivers do, though I heard the H10 doesn't natively. |
| 08:37:53 | edan | interesting |
| 08:38:00 | BHSPitMonkey | Paul_the_Nerd, a cost-cutting move, perhaps? |
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| 08:38:16 | BHSPitMonkey | or does mp3 encoding not cost them anything to distribute |
| 08:38:26 | edan | sounds a but implausible but it's be cool if it were true.. IF it supports ASIO |
| 08:38:43 | edan | if it's not ASIO, it's completely markettign bullshit |
| 08:39:18 | edan | "Yeah dude. Supports 24/192. Never mind the 2sec latency.. it supports 24/192!" |
| 08:39:26 | BHSPitMonkey | sure enough, the iriver homepage boasts ogg |
| 08:39:39 | daurn|laptop | ogg ftw |
| 08:39:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | edan: It's that Intel High Definition Audio hardware, whatever that is. Supposed to be 32/192 for stereo actually |
| 08:40:14 | * | Paul_the_Nerd has no clue |
| 08:40:23 | * | Paul_the_Nerd only uses the speakers on his laptop for DVDs. |
| 08:40:46 | edan | heh. what a load of crap THAT sounds like |
| 08:40:52 | BHSPitMonkey | website indicates that H10 doesn't have OGG |
| 08:41:04 | edan | 32/192 huh? heh |
| 08:41:06 | * | daurn|laptop only uses his crappy home speaker system & some canalphone |
| 08:41:41 | daurn|laptop | WHY DO I HAVE SO MUCH STUFF TO BUY, AND SO LITTLE MONEY |
| 08:41:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | edan: It's apparently some sort of real standard, as far as I can tell from a brief bit of research. |
| 08:41:52 | * | Paul_the_Nerd shrugs |
| 08:41:53 | edan | right |
| 08:41:55 | * | BHSPitMonkey has a decent-sounding surround sound receiver/setup based around this computer |
| 08:42:00 | * | daurn|laptop breaks down into tears |
| 08:42:03 | BHSPitMonkey | playing a banshee library! |
| 08:42:16 | edan | daurn|laptop, : do you have a job? |
| 08:42:39 | daurn|laptop | edan: pays crap |
| 08:42:47 | daurn|laptop | & i'm still @ school |
| 08:42:58 | edan | aah there you go then |
| 08:43:11 | edan | that'd be why you have no money I'm guessing |
| 08:44:14 | daurn|laptop | i need: car, psu, computer, mp3 player, ps3, tv |
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| 08:44:36 | edan | no dude.... |
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| 08:44:54 | edan | you WANT: car, PSU, computer, mp3 player, PS3, TV |
| 08:45:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nobody should want a PS3. |
| 08:45:07 | edan | you NEED: food, clothes, roof over your head |
| 08:45:11 | daurn|laptop | i NEED car & psu/computer |
| 08:45:24 | daurn|laptop | without car, i can't get to school/work |
| 08:45:24 | edan | no you don;t you just want em |
| 08:45:33 | edan | no such thing as a bus there? |
| 08:45:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | You need food, and protection from the elements. Clothes and a roof are handy implementations of that idea, but not necessities in and of themselves. |
| 08:45:40 | daurn|laptop | not near my house |
| 08:46:16 | daurn|laptop | without computer, i can't do homework or dev |
| 08:46:28 | edan | and you manage at the moment how? |
| 08:46:57 | daurn|laptop | walk 15mins to train, sit on it for 45mins, get there 5mins late |
| 08:47:06 | daurn|laptop | - something that takes 10mins driving |
| 08:47:19 | edan | man. that sounds like more fun to me personally |
| 08:47:48 | edan | then again... I'm kind of old |
| 08:48:11 | edan | prolly double your age m'laddo |
| 08:48:19 | daurn|laptop | most likely |
| 08:49:07 | edan | I wouldn't go back to being a teenager if I could. no bloody way |
| 08:49:15 | edan | being a teen sucked |
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| 08:49:32 | daurn|laptop | then theres the requirement of alchohol & fake ids |
| 08:49:35 | edan | except the not-having-to-pay-so-many-bills bit |
| 08:49:36 | daurn|laptop | they're just too expensive |
| 08:49:38 | edan | that was ok |
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| 08:50:15 | edan | heh. you'll grow out of the whole alcohol thing hopefully |
| 08:50:24 | edan | once you realise how much of a retard it makes you |
| 08:50:35 | edan | and rest assured, it DOES |
| 08:51:09 | edan | I know this because I'm a bouncer. my whole job is dealing with pissed people. Mostly Uni students |
| 08:51:10 | * | scorche rolls his eyes at edan |
| 08:51:21 | daurn|laptop | any advise on id? |
| 08:51:30 | edan | sure; don't |
| 08:52:01 | edan | your best bet is either a crappy bouncer or sibling close in age who you look JUST like |
| 08:52:39 | edan | I've had some funny lame attempts at fake/altered ID tho |
| 08:52:59 | scorche | i most likely gave a bouncer one of those... |
| 08:53:13 | edan | one of the funniest was this kid who gave me his ID. said he was 17. looked at him, he realised and said "Oh... wrong ID..." |
| 08:53:21 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 08:53:23 | edan | he;d given me his REAL ID instead of his fake |
| 08:53:36 | daurn|laptop | so he gave you a dif one? |
| 08:53:42 | edan | nah. he left |
| 08:54:04 | edan | he gave me his real one accidentally when he meant to give me his fake one |
| 08:54:28 | edan | I can tell you what DOESN'T work tho |
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| 08:55:19 | edan | here in Australia, it's quite popular to get something very sharp and alter the last number of the year. So 1988 looks like 1986. Or 1989 looks like 1988 |
| 08:55:29 | edan | but that pretty much NEVER works |
| 08:56:02 | daurn|laptop | you'd be suprised |
| 08:56:10 | daurn|laptop | thats what some of my friends have done |
| 08:56:14 | scorche | When i was hanging around Covenant once, we were off to an afterparty at a bar/club...i was able to get in by speaking the few bits of swedish that i know, with no english and they claimed i was one of their sound techs (which i kinda was) |
| 08:56:17 | edan | if the bouncer doesn't have a light nearby tho, you have more chance. One of he main reasons it doesn't work is you can clearly see the alteration in the light |
| 08:56:24 | daurn|laptop | eden: where you work? |
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| 08:56:31 | scorche | they asked for my passport, said i left it in the bus, and they "did it for the band" =D |
| 08:56:38 | edan | at 3 clubs here in Tasmania, Australia |
| 08:56:47 | daurn|laptop | damn :P |
| 08:56:57 | edan | legal drinking age here is 18 |
| 08:57:01 | daurn|laptop | you get many interstate ids? |
| 08:57:10 | edan | yep, international ones too |
| 08:57:20 | edan | mostly German and Canadian |
| 08:57:34 | daurn|laptop | thinking of trying to make some qld copies |
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| 08:58:11 | daurn|laptop | some friends made some really nice vic ones (where i am), but the hologram wears off after 2 weeks, and you have to make a new one |
| 08:58:13 | edan | where are you? |
| 08:58:18 | edan | aaah |
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| 08:58:44 | edan | Victoria... |
| 08:58:59 | JdGordon | we dont have 2 heads tho :D |
| 08:59:00 | edan | I dunno if i'd work there in security if I moved there |
| 08:59:15 | edan | too many Lebanese and Asian gangs |
| 08:59:26 | daurn|laptop | hrhr, damn lebos |
| 08:59:40 | petur | shhhh |
| 08:59:43 | edan | I'm sure they're nice people.. on their own |
| 08:59:51 | edan | \but when you get em in groups, screw that |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:16 | edan | and I gather if you cross one, you never jsut cross ONE |
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| 09:00:43 | LinusN | oh is it Offtopic Celebration Day today? :-) |
| 09:00:50 | JdGordon | must be |
| 09:00:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Apparently |
| 09:00:52 | daurn|laptop | edan: you get many qld ids? |
| 09:00:54 | JdGordon | morning LinusN |
| 09:01:00 | LinusN | morning |
| 09:01:01 | * | Paul_the_Nerd waves to LinusN |
| 09:01:05 | edan | sorry LinusN. heh |
| 09:01:18 | daurn|laptop | LinusN: hi |
| 09:01:19 | JdGordon | iv moved hxxx to target tree and everything seems to work.. should i commit, or do you want to look @ the patch first? |
| 09:02:34 | JdGordon | LinusN: ^ |
| 09:03:05 | LinusN | nice, yeah, i'd like to have a look |
| 09:04:12 | JdGordon | LinusN: FS 6263 |
| 09:05:33 | JdGordon | dinner.. bbl |
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| 09:07:42 | LinusN | JdGordon: looks good at first glance |
| 09:08:39 | daurn|laptop | heh, wish my dinner looked that good ;) |
| 09:10:06 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:11:16 | markun | LinusN: in some cases it would be nice to have extra target_tree subdirs (like portalplayer/pp5002) but I don't know how this can be done in a nice way. |
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| 09:11:54 | LinusN | well, nothing stops you from having that |
| 09:12:08 | LinusN | the only thing is if you want .h files in there |
| 09:12:29 | LinusN | then you have to add it to the include path, and that requires some fiddling |
| 09:12:34 | markun | I especially want it for ata-target.h |
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| 09:13:03 | amiconn | JdGordon: Didn't check out the patch yet, but in case you didn't already, it would be nice to clean up the #include mess a bit. (as I did for button-h*.c yesterday) |
| 09:13:08 | markun | to prevent ifdefs, but it's not a big deal |
| 09:16:29 | markun | LinusN: check out how nice Toshiba was for us Gigabeat devs: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=1;filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams_rotated.pdf |
| 09:17:33 | LinusN | markun: nice |
| 09:18:34 | markun | too bad they didn't tell us which GPIO pins where used, but now we at least know exactly what's left. |
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| 09:24:42 | pondlife | amiconn: Don't suppose you could help me get a GNU make 3.81 for Cygwin? I tried yesterday using the Cygwin setup but could only find my current 3.80-1. |
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| 09:28:39 | scorche | pondlife: http://cygwin.com/packages/make/ ? |
| 09:29:59 | pondlife | scorche: Yes, but I can only see a directory listing, not get any binary or source. |
| 09:30:30 | scorche | ah...so i see |
| 09:30:42 | pondlife | Totally non-Linux here, so probably asking stoopid questions |
| 09:35:21 | scorche | well, not quite sure how it would work in cygwin, but: http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ |
| 09:35:40 | pondlife | LinusN: Do you agree with the idea of panicking on a queue overflow, to find other problems? Or is that too dangerous to commit? I get plenty of panics at the moment, just shuffling a playlist or shutting down will do it.. |
| 09:35:40 | hcs | should build fine, but I can't say I've tried it |
| 09:36:01 | pondlife | scorche: Thanks, will give it a go later |
| 09:36:11 | LinusN | pondlife: perhaps only in the Logf build for now? |
| 09:36:46 | LinusN | until we sort out the most obvious bugs |
| 09:36:49 | pondlife | But does anyone use the logf build? ;) |
| 09:37:14 | pondlife | OK |
| 09:37:18 | LinusN | well, the user won't like it to panic when shuffling a playlist |
| 09:37:26 | pondlife | I certainly don't |
| 09:37:44 | LinusN | but i like the general idea |
| 09:38:03 | pondlife | I'd prefer not to commit it at all until I've looked into the obvious bugs actually (or others have) |
| 09:38:36 | pondlife | Rather than making it logf-only. A queue overflow is serious enough that it probably causes all sorts of trouble. |
| 09:39:33 | pondlife | Unfortunately I'm rather deep into the horrid unbuffering stuff in playback.c at the moment. |
| 09:40:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, i can do that |
| 09:41:03 | pondlife | Any playback lovers out there by the way? I'd like to remove the track_changed = true from codec_track_changed(). That variable should be controlled only by the audio thread. |
| 09:41:48 | pondlife | The downside will probably only be a slower WPS reponse on a natural track change, but I think that's better. |
| 09:42:25 | LinusN | how slow? |
| 09:42:35 | LinusN | "playback lovers" :-) |
| 09:44:33 | preglow | ! |
| 09:46:35 | pondlife | Not particularly noticable |
| 09:46:38 | pondlife | IMHO |
| 09:47:12 | pondlife | But then I could live with 1s delay on pressing next track and others couldn't |
| 09:47:25 | pondlife | I operate in blind mode much of the time :) |
| 09:47:42 | pondlife | As long as I get a quick beep, I'm happy |
| 09:50:29 | JdGordon | LinusN: do you rekon its ok to commit? |
| 09:50:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: have you tested on h120? |
| 09:51:01 | JdGordon | i got a friend to.. he says it all seems ok |
| 09:51:08 | JdGordon | if someone else here can test it would be good |
| 09:51:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: and i assume you have built all sims and dev builds too? |
| 09:52:02 | JdGordon | grr.. forgot the dev ones |
| 09:52:20 | LinusN | shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:52:32 | JdGordon | ive done sim and target for all iriver and one archos.. and no warnings.. so it _shouldnt_ ause any other problems |
| 09:52:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:52:42 | JdGordon | builds take ages on this comp :'( |
| 09:52:50 | pondlife | Anyone written a script to locally perform ALL builds? |
| 09:53:05 | JdGordon | hcs posted a bash script a while ago |
| 09:53:07 | LinusN | i've thought about it many times :-) |
| 09:53:18 | Bagder | we could make one from the cvs build script |
| 09:53:27 | pondlife | I think I'd get bored waiting for it to finish.... ;) |
| 09:53:34 | Bagder | it'd take ages |
| 09:53:48 | Bagder | of course "all" would not literally be all ;-) |
| 09:53:54 | preglow | just let the build servers do the job |
| 09:54:05 | preglow | nothing wrong with a little red as long as its fixed |
| 09:54:09 | pondlife | And get ready to mop up the red |
| 09:54:12 | Bagder | I agree |
| 09:54:17 | LinusN | i agree too |
| 09:54:31 | JdGordon | i was going to do a script to do a specified set of builds and dump all errors/warnings into a seperate file.. but couldnt be bothered in the end :p |
| 09:54:38 | LinusN | there is nothing wrong with checking in a red build as long as you are there to fix it |
| 09:54:50 | SereR0kR | is anyone working on the decryption of the 2G iPod Nanos? |
| 09:54:59 | JdGordon | so on that note.. im commiting |
| 09:55:03 | preglow | SereR0kR: no rockbox people i know of |
| 09:55:10 | * | LinusN takes cover |
| 09:55:11 | SereR0kR | ok |
| 09:55:11 | preglow | SereR0kR: i think some of the ipodlinux guys are on it, though |
| 09:55:12 | SereR0kR | so |
| 09:55:19 | SereR0kR | really? |
| 09:55:22 | preglow | really |
| 09:55:28 | Bagder | SereR0kR: read the nana 2g forum thread |
| 09:55:31 | Bagder | nano |
| 09:55:34 | SereR0kR | there was no progress on the svn the last 2 weeks |
| 09:55:36 | pondlife | JdGordon: Quick, you may catch the build I've just triggered... |
| 09:55:41 | Bagder | they're not really close |
| 09:55:45 | Bagder | they just have some idea |
| 09:55:45 | Bagder | s |
| 09:55:54 | SereR0kR | ok |
| 09:56:02 | pondlife | Oops, too late |
| 09:56:03 | JdGordon | pondlife: doubt it.. big commit |
| 09:56:09 | preglow | what commit? |
| 09:56:10 | Bagder | they need a MrH ;-) |
| 09:56:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | SereR0kR: I doubt there'll be "progress" until it's done. There's probably not much to check in until it's solved. |
| 09:56:23 | JdGordon | damn.. havta wait 10min then :'( |
| 09:56:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: I think many projects would like a MrH |
| 09:56:37 | Bagder | oh yes |
| 09:56:39 | SereR0kR | whats a MrH? |
| 09:56:48 | preglow | i think ipodlinux probably has their own mrh, heh |
| 09:56:50 | pondlife | MrH is a MrE |
| 09:57:02 | SereR0kR | and wtf is a MrE? ;D |
| 09:57:06 | markun | SereR0kR: mysterious encryption guru |
| 09:57:06 | preglow | and that'd be leachbj |
| 09:57:08 | Bagder | SereR0kR: the guy who cracked the mi4 file format, used by many pp-players |
| 09:57:16 | pondlife | SereR0kR: Think about it... |
| 09:57:27 | SereR0kR | ok |
| 09:57:44 | Bagder | but leachbj never had to deal with encryption, right? |
| 09:57:56 | JdGordon | amiconn: LinusN: can we figure out what folder names we want to use for the archos targets? im happy to move them across tonight also |
| 09:58:12 | SereR0kR | i hope they'll crack it o.O |
| 09:58:26 | preglow | Bagder: no, i forgot the encryption cracking |
| 09:59:06 | preglow | can't you just tell mrh we've got an interesting problem with that thing? :-) |
| 09:59:26 | preglow | "Also, one happens to be on its way in the mail. Later!" |
| 09:59:42 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 10:00:14 | LinusN | target/sh/archos/[player|recv1|recv2|ondio] comes to mind, but i believe you will find out as you go along |
| 10:00:34 | Bagder | amiconn is on that case |
| 10:00:40 | LinusN | JdGordon: be aware though, that moving the archos code will not be as easy |
| 10:00:47 | Bagder | ondio, player, fmv2, recorder I believe |
| 10:00:59 | JdGordon | oh? never mind then.. :D |
| 10:01:02 | LinusN | ok, then let him do it |
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| 10:02:28 | JdGordon | why would they be harder to move? |
| 10:03:46 | * | JdGordon waits pateinlty for the builds to start again.... |
| 10:03:48 | LinusN | i suspect it would be harder because the archos code is the original code, and more "integrated" in the core code |
| 10:04:11 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 10:05:42 | SereR0kR | so, i hope they'll crack it in near future ;D |
| 10:05:53 | SereR0kR | if i could help, i would, but i cant |
| 10:06:02 | daurn|laptop | guess what! |
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| 10:06:38 | LinusN | amiconn: have you measured any difference on cygwin with the new makefiles? |
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| 10:07:04 | Bagder | LinusN: he mentioned some ~16% before |
| 10:07:12 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:07:50 | JdGordon | Bagder: can you force the builds to get going please? |
| 10:08:11 | Bagder | they are |
| 10:08:33 | JdGordon | ah, so they are... 30sec too impatient :) |
| 10:08:46 | markun | daurn|laptop: what? |
| 10:08:52 | daurn|laptop | my cat died! |
| 10:09:01 | JdGordon | umm.... congrats? :D |
| 10:09:12 | markun | that sucks |
| 10:09:20 | daurn|laptop | sure does |
| 10:09:28 | markun | daurn|laptop: how old was he/she? |
| 10:09:35 | daurn|laptop | 13 or so |
| 10:09:37 | daurn|laptop | he |
| 10:09:39 | daurn|laptop | kidney failure |
| 10:09:56 | markun | same with our cat. Be he was 18. |
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| 10:10:13 | LinusN | common problem with domestic cats, isn't it? |
| 10:10:14 | daurn|laptop | was absolutely fine till 3 weeks ago |
| 10:10:17 | preglow | 13 isn't bad for a cat |
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| 10:10:23 | * | preglow loves cats |
| 10:10:27 | daurn|laptop | then stopped eating |
| 10:10:33 | daurn|laptop | and his coat looked bad |
| 10:10:42 | daurn|laptop | my grandmother took him to the Vet |
| 10:10:49 | daurn|laptop | - had to put him down |
| 10:11:13 | * | LinusN celebrates Offtopic Celebration Day once more :-) |
| 10:11:25 | * | preglow starts talking about beer |
| 10:11:31 | * | Bagder joins the celebration |
| 10:11:41 | * | daurn|laptop wishes for money |
| 10:11:46 | * | LinusN does the famous offtopic dance |
| 10:11:54 | JdGordon | what target uses the tcc730 cpu? its not on deviceChart |
| 10:12:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: party pooper! |
| 10:12:10 | JdGordon | :( |
| 10:12:16 | Bagder | JdGordon: that's the archos gmini one I guess |
| 10:12:22 | Bagder | Calmrisc |
| 10:12:27 | JdGordon | ah, ok |
| 10:12:28 | LinusN | which is a pretty dead port |
| 10:12:33 | Bagder | very dead |
| 10:12:46 | LinusN | scheduled for termination, in cell block aa-21 |
| 10:12:49 | Bagder | or is it just sleeping? ;-) |
| 10:13:20 | JdGordon | woohoo :D green table |
| 10:13:27 | JdGordon | apart from the usual 2 reds |
| 10:13:41 | bluebrother | cell block tango? |
| 10:13:42 | Bagder | I wonder if we'll ever get rid of the reds |
| 10:13:45 | LinusN | "scheduled for optimization" |
| 10:13:57 | * | JdGordon dubts we will |
| 10:14:01 | JdGordon | doubts even |
| 10:14:02 | Bagder | I can see amiconn in one camp and the rest of us in the other |
| 10:14:08 | LinusN | hehe |
| 10:14:15 | preglow | we might need calmrisc stuff again, with the nano2 port |
| 10:14:25 | LinusN | preglow: shrug |
| 10:14:36 | preglow | LinusN: doubt we'll need any of the current code, though... |
| 10:14:36 | Bagder | what, it uses calmrisc stuff? |
| 10:14:44 | preglow | Bagder: hmm, i think so |
| 10:14:51 | Bagder | ugh |
| 10:14:53 | preglow | Bagder: as core number two, that is |
| 10:15:00 | LinusN | iirc, the calmrisc compiler is in a really sorry state |
| 10:15:00 | preglow | Bagder: the primary core is a very potent arm |
| 10:15:14 | preglow | LinusN: i'd be happy to do all the calmrisc code in asm, i think |
| 10:15:19 | preglow | LinusN: it's mostly meant for dsp anyway |
| 10:15:20 | Bagder | the calmrisc support is not even in the main gcc sources |
| 10:15:32 | markun | the newer irivers also use a 2nd calmisc core I believe |
| 10:15:46 | preglow | markun: yeah, it's the same chip family |
| 10:15:55 | LinusN | hmmm, calmrisc != arm is it? |
| 10:16:01 | Bagder | nope |
| 10:16:08 | preglow | ironically, iriver helped design the chip in the new nano :> |
| 10:16:17 | Bagder | haha |
| 10:16:36 | markun | preglow: together with a undisclosed other company |
| 10:16:38 | daurn|laptop | haha |
| 10:16:39 | LinusN | ah, now i get it |
| 10:16:41 | preglow | http://samsung.com/products/semiconductor/SystemLSI/DigitalMedia/OpticalASSP/OpticalPlayer/MP3/S5L8700/S5L8700.htm |
| 10:16:44 | preglow | readie |
| 10:16:59 | daurn|laptop | markun: samsung? ;) |
| 10:17:14 | preglow | it looks like a quite nice little chip |
| 10:17:20 | preglow | lots of sram, lots of horsepower |
| 10:17:23 | Bagder | "CalmADM2E (120MHz) CalmRISC16 + MAC2424 with 4KB of Instruction Cache" |
| 10:17:43 | Bagder | oh 256K sram |
| 10:17:48 | LinusN | mama |
| 10:17:53 | preglow | also note the x and y memory cache |
| 10:17:53 | markun | daurn|laptop: I thought it was Meizu, but maybe it was Apple. |
| 10:17:59 | preglow | the dsp core will frigging _blaze_ along |
| 10:18:12 | LinusN | a real dsp core for a change |
| 10:18:14 | Bagder | and a 200MHz ARM9 |
| 10:18:40 | LinusN | has anyone had a look at one of the dm320 targets for real? |
| 10:18:50 | preglow | there's no doubt whatsoever using the calmrisc will pay off |
| 10:18:52 | daurn|laptop | yes |
| 10:19:02 | preglow | two memory accesses and a 24x24 mac in one cycle will beat the hell out of whatever arm can offer |
| 10:19:07 | Bagder | LinusN: it depends on what you mean, they run medios on some of them |
| 10:19:18 | markun | preglow: I think the i.mx31 in the Gigabeat S will be faster |
| 10:19:23 | preglow | markun: which is? |
| 10:19:36 | LinusN | Bagder: i was more thinking of rockbox |
| 10:19:37 | Bagder | and hey, "OSD (On Screen Display) multiplexing" "Alpha blending" |
| 10:19:58 | Bagder | LinusN: "shirour" apparently is attempting to port rockbox to mrobe-500 |
| 10:20:03 | Bagder | but other than that, none |
| 10:20:06 | markun | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX31&nodeId=01J4Fs2973ZrDR |
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| 10:20:58 | preglow | markun: ahahaha |
| 10:21:06 | preglow | it's got the vector fpu |
| 10:21:12 | markun | yes |
| 10:21:14 | preglow | they do like overpowering stuff, don't they |
| 10:21:27 | preglow | goodbye fixed point |
| 10:21:48 | * | preglow wonders how fast that vfpu is |
| 10:22:00 | daurn|laptop | wow |
| 10:22:01 | daurn|laptop | nice |
| 10:22:23 | daurn|laptop | is it open? |
| 10:22:25 | Bagder | yeah, the gigabeat S is gonna be a beast |
| 10:22:44 | markun | people only get about 10 hours mp3 playback, but that's with a 700mAh battery |
| 10:23:09 | markun | daurn|laptop: open? |
| 10:23:20 | daurn|laptop | well, is there a compiler |
| 10:23:22 | markun | It runs Windows CE 5.0 |
| 10:23:26 | markun | daurn|laptop: yes, gcc |
| 10:23:40 | markun | There is a linux port on the website somewhere |
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| 10:24:03 | markun | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=CWB-IMX31-ADS-LTIB&parentCode=i.MX31 |
| 10:24:07 | bluebrother | windows ce on a dap? Urgh. |
| 10:24:21 | Bagder | I bet its gonna be more common |
| 10:24:32 | LinusN | yuck |
| 10:24:32 | daurn|laptop | well, if theres a exploit on the gigabeat s |
| 10:24:36 | Bagder | when they become more powerful |
| 10:24:36 | daurn|laptop | i'm there |
| 10:25:00 | daurn|laptop | just... money |
| 10:25:32 | markun | daurn|laptop: RogerBacon put the hdd of the Gigabeat S in his ipod 5g and was able to get to the first FAT32 partition with the firmware. |
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| 10:26:26 | markun | There is a project to create a fake windows CE image which boots linux. Would be a nice startingpoint. |
| 10:27:43 | daurn|laptop | does the wince bin on freescale work? |
| 10:27:48 | daurn|laptop | - are there similarities? |
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| 10:29:30 | markun | no, it's a tool to create your own wince bin |
| 10:29:51 | daurn|laptop | ? |
| 10:29:52 | daurn|laptop | https://www.freescale.com/webapp/Download?colCode=WCE500-10-DEMO-IMX31-WINCE&prodCode=CWB-IMX31-ADS-LTIB&nodeId=0162468rH311432973ZrDR&appType=license&location=psp |
| 10:30:02 | daurn|laptop | WCE500-10-DEMO-IMX31-WINCE |
| 10:30:02 | daurn|laptop | Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 binary demo image to use with the i.MX31ADS. See release notes in the package for details. |
| 10:30:09 | markun | Ah, he didn't try |
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| 10:46:57 | Sai | hey can i ask if rockbox has radio? |
| 10:47:07 | JdGordon | you can |
| 10:47:19 | * | daurn|laptop waits - i can guess this question! |
| 10:47:20 | Sai | how |
| 10:47:23 | Bagder | Rockbox supports radio on most targets that have radio |
| 10:47:40 | scorche | Sai: what target do you have? |
| 10:47:50 | Sai | will my ipod video have it? |
| 10:47:53 | Bagder | no |
| 10:48:06 | Sai | owwww... |
| 10:48:20 | Bagder | radio requires... radio HW |
| 10:48:42 | Sai | oh ok |
| 10:49:05 | Sai | well is there anything interesting i can get on my ipod video? |
| 10:49:15 | scorche | music |
| 10:49:20 | scorche | audio |
| 10:49:29 | daurn|laptop | roms for early consoles |
| 10:49:34 | daurn|laptop | crappy games |
| 10:49:36 | Sai | haha |
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| 10:50:04 | Sai | i only seem to like the rockbox themes and music so far |
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| 10:50:47 | Bagder | well, rockbox is primarily for audio |
| 10:51:03 | Bagder | at least in my view |
| 10:51:57 | Sai | i like rockbox for the games |
| 10:52:12 | Sai | if only they had better ones... |
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| 10:52:26 | Bagder | you mean "we" |
| 10:52:50 | daurn|laptop | Sai: roms! |
| 10:52:54 | Sai | hah |
| 10:53:04 | daurn|laptop | your fav console games from yesteryear |
| 10:53:05 | petur | Sai: start programming one ;) |
| 10:53:06 | Sai | buttons on roms dont even work.. |
| 10:53:25 | * | LinusN looks at the space invaders game by albert veli |
| 10:53:32 | Bagder | that looks fine |
| 10:53:35 | linuxstb_ | Blame Apple for not designing the ipod as a Gameboy emulator platform... |
| 10:53:41 | Bagder | but I only looked at the shots |
| 10:53:44 | linuxstb_ | So shortsighted... |
| 10:54:13 | Sai | if only rockbox could play some gba games atleast.. |
| 10:54:35 | LinusN | would be cool |
| 10:54:54 | Bagder | I wish it could make coffee atleast |
| 10:55:11 | LinusN | ah yes |
| 10:55:13 | Sai | hah |
| 10:55:23 | scorche | i am still waiting for some action on my feature request to make rockbox make my ipod fly |
| 10:55:28 | Sai | jus grab your ipod in the mornings |
| 10:55:54 | LinusN | scorche: i can make it fly, it's the landing i haven't yet perfected :-) |
| 10:56:03 | petur | lol |
| 10:56:12 | scorche | LinusN: i know...a bit buggy |
| 10:56:21 | LinusN | the testing takes a lot of rockbox funding |
| 10:56:31 | Sai | $$ |
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| 10:57:59 | daurn|laptop | sai: you're the one who bought a crappy ipod in the first place |
| 10:58:59 | Sai | man videos rock |
| 10:59:21 | petur | then why are you complaining? :p |
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| 10:59:33 | Sai | but i would have bought a iriver u10 if only they made there with more space instead of 2gb... |
| 10:59:45 | daurn|laptop | theres SO many players i would lovbe |
| 10:59:52 | daurn|laptop | but, they're all flash |
| 10:59:53 | Sai | ]i jus wanna let my ipod live life to its MAX :D |
| 10:59:59 | daurn|laptop | i can't survive on my current 20gb |
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| 11:00:12 | daurn|laptop | i think i'll TRY to buy a gigabeat S |
| 11:00:39 | Sai | yea u10's the best, no need to convert movies and flays flash games, albe better graphics... omg |
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| 11:00:48 | Sai | plays* |
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| 11:01:00 | daurn|laptop | my fav toy is gmini 402 |
| 11:01:11 | daurn|laptop | just wish i had the time to do a port |
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| 11:01:50 | Bagder | hey, people without kids should not talk about lack of time ;-) |
| 11:02:04 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:02:44 | * | petur shuts up |
| 11:02:50 | daurn|laptop | Bagder: 2 jobs & school |
| 11:03:02 | preglow | hgaha |
| 11:03:09 | LinusN | wow |
| 11:03:27 | preglow | that might cause a certain lack of time |
| 11:03:33 | preglow | that and poor grades |
| 11:03:40 | LinusN | loss of sleep |
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| 11:03:50 | JdGordon | I can put adc-target.h into /archos and into archos/ondio without worring right? |
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| 11:04:17 | * | LinusN can't remember when he last had a full 8 hours sleep |
| 11:04:30 | amiconn | JdGordon, LinusN: My idea was to use just 4 target names for archos: player, recorder, fm_v2, ondio |
| 11:04:47 | amiconn | Stuff in ondio/ will probably need a little ifdefing |
| 11:04:56 | LinusN | for fm at least |
| 11:05:18 | amiconn | Yes, for FM and MAS |
| 11:05:27 | LinusN | ah yes, the mas too |
| 11:05:28 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, thats what ive got, adc.h is either a horrible #ifdef mess and im lost, or its mostly shared between all archos |
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| 11:11:02 | amiconn | JdGordon: I was also looking at moving the archos stuff |
| 11:11:28 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, im almost done moving the player, (i think) |
| 11:11:37 | JdGordon | up to usb-target |
| 11:11:37 | markun | copy_read_sectors and opy_write_sectors are nice candidates to be moved to the target tree |
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| 11:12:01 | markun | where should I put the PREFER_C_* versions? |
| 11:12:10 | amiconn | markun: Definitely, although it has to be checked where in the target tree it belongs |
| 11:12:12 | JdGordon | I'm trying to move every target into the tree before any more functions are added |
| 11:12:30 | amiconn | E.g. the coldfire stuff should work for all cf targets |
| 11:13:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: The adc itself _is_ shared between all archoses |
| 11:13:21 | amiconn | It's built into the sh1 cpu |
| 11:13:33 | JdGordon | I saw.. thats adc-archos.c now |
| 11:14:16 | amiconn | Should really be adc-sh1.c |
| 11:14:43 | amiconn | There are potential non-archos targets which use sh1 |
| 11:15:28 | markun | and archos targets which don't use sh1.. |
| 11:15:46 | JdGordon | ok, ill move it |
| 11:18:15 | amiconn | markun: Those won't be in sh/archos/ but elsewhere |
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| 11:19:05 | muesliii | amiconn wot about displaying n solitaire the 1st 3cards by default? |
| 11:24:14 | JdGordon | why are the max/min/default contrast settings #ifdefined TARGET_TREE? |
| 11:24:19 | JdGordon | in settings.h |
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| 11:29:17 | amiconn | LinusN: Each of the 2 steps gave around 20% speedup on cygwin |
| 11:29:29 | LinusN | nice, well done |
| 11:29:31 | amiconn | Way less on linux, but still enough to be measurable |
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| 11:35:00 | daurn|laptop | any1 got a spare $259? |
| 11:35:01 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 11:35:10 | aliask | What for? |
| 11:35:17 | LinusN | an x5? |
| 11:35:34 | petur | expensive girlfriend? |
| 11:35:49 | Bagder | new kidney? |
| 11:36:03 | muesliii | lol |
| 11:36:04 | petur | expresso machine? |
| 11:36:13 | petur | beer? |
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| 11:37:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Go get Rockbox working on the 5.5Gs, there's apparently a bounty on that, at least for the moment |
| 11:37:08 | daurn|laptop | toshiba gigabeat S 60gb |
| 11:37:52 | daurn|laptop | hey, that chip markun was talking about: i think its in the Zune |
| 11:38:07 | Bagder | the gigabeat S and the zune are very similar |
| 11:38:12 | Bagder | afaik |
| 11:39:01 | daurn|laptop | looks like it |
| 11:39:19 | daurn|laptop | the very early rumblings said it was a toshiba job, branded as microsoft |
| 11:39:25 | daurn|laptop | they don't seem far off |
| 11:40:06 | Bagder | "Microsoft has confirmed that Japanese firm Toshiba will make its portable media player - "Zune" - to be released before the end of the year." |
| 11:40:12 | daurn|laptop | i wish to buy this - just get me money ;) |
| 11:40:12 | daurn|laptop | http://www.hideflifestyle.com/toshiba-gigabeat-s-series-60gb-piano-black-p-494.html?currency=USD |
| 11:40:46 | LinusN | daurn|laptop: if you are serious about porting rockbox, yes, we are open to discussions |
| 11:40:52 | markun | if you now call Toshiba to complain about the Gigabeat S firmware they tell you: "Sorry, that's Microsoft's problem". Of course MS doesn't listen to the complaints either. |
| 11:41:28 | daurn|laptop | sorry, |
| 11:41:33 | daurn|laptop | but its toshiba's problem |
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| 11:41:43 | daurn|laptop | they sold you the hardware |
| 11:41:48 | daurn|laptop | with no other software options |
| 11:41:52 | daurn|laptop | - they're problem |
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| 11:47:12 | amiconn | Bagder, LinusN, ...: If lowlight comes up with a few more optimisations like the one that I committed last night, we might get rid of the reds before long... |
| 11:47:38 | LinusN | amiconn: would be nice |
| 11:47:46 | Bagder | but for how long... |
| 11:48:16 | amiconn | Just removing that one struct member reduced code size by 640 bytes on archos, and ram usage by ~2KB |
| 11:50:11 | amiconn | That patch was around for quite a while (dated Aug 31), just that I didn't find the time to check it out earlier :/ |
| 11:51:22 | Bagder | unfortunately, it is about as likely that someone makes a commit that ups the memory requirements again |
| 11:51:54 | amiconn | The wps code is a horrible mess imho. |
| 11:52:08 | Bagder | I would personally like to see a fix that is likely to hold for a while |
| 11:52:16 | amiconn | Didn't someone want to have a go at a new wps parser? |
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| 11:52:36 | gwxnei001 | juat installed rockbox on my ipod mini 1 to test it out and everything seemed fine but now it keeps resetting after a coupleof seconds of use. Anyone have any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 11:56:54 | amiconn | Otoh, with a few more planned features for archos, it might be impossible to get back rombox :/ |
| 11:57:04 | amiconn | (like pcm recording & playback) |
| 11:58:41 | gwxnei001 | hmmn seems its the battery cos its working fine now that its plugged in |
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| 12:03:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is there any real reason Rombox *has* to have all the features of Rockbox-in-RAM? |
| 12:03:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | I mean, couldn't there just be a nice disclaimer saying Rombox does not support TagCache, Feature X, and Feature Y (graphical WPSes? Something else?) |
| 12:04:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Since it's kinda bout eking the most battery life out of the player as possible anyway, less performance related features can surely be sacrificed if it's possible to come up with a way to conditionally cut them. |
| 12:08:10 | petur | maybe several optional blocks and a control file where you can select which things you want in your build? |
| 12:08:41 | _jhMikeS_ | rrrr...My H120 is sitting in some UPS depot about 20min from my house right now. Probably take 'em all day to get it here though. |
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| 12:08:59 | petur | UPS sucks |
| 12:08:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | I have two H120 remotes arriving today |
| 12:09:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Since they were down to $30 new, and I have bad luck with them. |
| 12:09:15 | jhMikeS | I have no remotes arriving today |
| 12:09:19 | amiconn | Well, if rombox wouldn't have all the features of standard rockbox, I wouldn't use it, even if I don't necessarily need those feautes |
| 12:09:28 | amiconn | *features |
| 12:09:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | And a waterproof case for my iFP 799 that's supposed to be good for a few hundred feet. |
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| 12:10:13 | jhMikeS | Paul_the_Nerd: You're gonna go diving with the thing? !?! |
| 12:10:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: But what's worse, no Rombox, or a fat-free Rombox that offers all the playback functionality, but not necessarily all the fluff? |
| 12:11:01 | jhMikeS | fluffy fuzzy bunnies? |
| 12:11:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: Probably wouldn't ever use it for more than snorkelling. I think my diving days are past. But the 10-ft cases have these in-ear phones that aren't really good with actual submerged water pressure at all |
| 12:12:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | 'sides, $22 isn't exactly a huge investment. |
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| 12:14:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Oops, the case was the $30, the remotes were $22. |
| 12:14:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Anyway, I'll *finally* be able to run LogF builds again. |
| 12:14:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, handier ones. |
| 12:16:34 | jhMikeS | I though the remote went cheaper...hmm |
| 12:17:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Anyway, I can't really see the benefit of declaring Rombox dead, if it can be salvaged as a purely functionality focused thing. |
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| 12:41:20 | jhMikeS | what the heck happened? Got all this red and everything built here fine. |
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| 12:42:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | The sims hate you |
| 12:42:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Since they don't have a BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR, I suppose |
| 12:42:36 | jhMikeS | yeah it is the sims...blimey |
| 12:43:03 | | Part muesliii |
| 12:43:28 | jhMikeS | better get fixin' :P |
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| 12:47:02 | jhMikeS | mmmm...that should do it I hope |
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| 12:49:24 | jhMikeS | probably should have done the two parts separately now that I think about it...general then x5. |
| 12:52:52 | amiconn | There might be one pitfall when removing the adc_tick for iriver: The non-lcd remote doesn't set the remote_present gpio pin, so it can only be detected by monitoring the remotedetect adc value - iirc |
| 12:53:21 | amiconn | But this could be done by the remote_tcik |
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| 12:57:37 | jhMikeS | I didn't touch it for anything else |
| 12:58:26 | jhMikeS | Doesn't seem to be any point any more for it for the batt though |
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| 13:02:24 | jhMikeS | hrm...left a #define that ended up being unused in config-audiox5.h :-\ |
| 13:04:41 | jhMikeS | and of course any file I edited and resaved with code unchanged gets the whitespace changes...guess it's good cleanup at that |
| 13:06:29 | LinusN | i don't like that at all |
| 13:07:01 | LinusN | makes it a lot harder to review your changes |
| 13:07:30 | * | LinusN spots c++ comments |
| 13:07:31 | jhMikeS | Sorry...got in there and didn't really think about it till I saw it. |
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| 13:08:41 | jhMikeS | They were there commenting some other initializers. I just stuck with the form for that. |
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| 13:09:29 | LinusN | yeah, i saw that there were c++ comments before yours... |
| 13:11:12 | jhMikeS | Well, I suppose I'll convert them next opportunity |
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| 13:13:36 | jhMikeS | or should I make a commit to change comments type? which do you prefer? |
| 13:13:38 | preglow | editors that change anything that's not explicitely edited are an abomination |
| 13:14:29 | jhMikeS | I set my editor so I can use tabs when editing and get spaces when saving. I think it can be set to only change new tabs iirc. Should do that then. |
| 13:15:01 | preglow | i just do :set expandtabs whenever i edit rockbox code |
| 13:15:04 | preglow | i use tabs in my own code |
| 13:15:04 | jhMikeS | I don't like leaving trailing whitespaces around either |
| 13:15:38 | preglow | i prefer using tabs properly to using whitespace |
| 13:15:56 | preglow | then of course, very few editors/people know how to use tabs properly |
| 13:16:21 | jhMikeS | I prefer them too because they're easier to remove and use them in my own as well. |
| 13:16:26 | Slasheri | with automatic identation it doesn't matter wether to use tabs or whitespace while writing code |
| 13:16:27 | ender` | editors usually aren't the problem (though they can be in rare circumstances), but people - now that's something else :) |
| 13:16:43 | jhMikeS | but I set my editor to follow the source guidelines |
| 13:17:01 | lostlogic | preglow: what is using tabs correctly? 4 space indents with 8 space tabs? |
| 13:17:04 | * | jhMikeS hates automatic indentation |
| 13:17:31 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: then editor probably just implements it poorly :) |
| 13:17:44 | * | petur loves automatic indentation :p |
| 13:17:48 | jhMikeS | I like doing it myself |
| 13:18:01 | * | daurn|laptop hates the look of fixed font editors |
| 13:18:02 | ender` | lostlogic: tabs for normal indenting, spaces when you fold a line, or when you want to line up some comments |
| 13:18:04 | lostlogic | /me hugs vim as he highlights some code and hits "=" |
| 13:18:07 | jhMikeS | TextPad |
| 13:18:15 | preglow | lostlogic: using tabs properly is mixing tabs and spaces so that indentation changes correctly when you change the tab size |
| 13:18:28 | daurn|laptop | but i can't stand looking at files created in a proprtional editor - different to my own |
| 13:18:56 | lostlogic | ah, I see. tabs always indicate blocking levels and adjustments within the same blocking level are spaces. Makes sense. |
| 13:19:09 | preglow | vim does not indent correctly, i'm afraid :/ |
| 13:19:15 | ender` | this way, the code will look fine no matter what your tab spacing preference is |
| 13:19:16 | jhMikeS | tabs for starting a line :) |
| 13:19:17 | lostlogic | preglow: yep, that's what I was trying to discern |
| 13:19:28 | preglow | lostlogic: tabs indicate indentation level of code, and spaces are for aligning code with other code |
| 13:20:00 | * | lostlogic wonders if vim could be taught to do that, but is really OK with using spaces all the time |
| 13:20:19 | preglow | most editors use a mix of tabs and spaces where they assume the tab is x number of chars, and that's the worst of all, if you ask me |
| 13:20:29 | preglow | using spaces all the time beats doing what i just said |
| 13:20:36 | lostlogic | preglow: yep |
| 13:21:43 | preglow | but i guess being able to change indentation isn't too important with todays autoformatting editors |
| 13:21:43 | LinusN | either use only tabs or no tabs at all |
| 13:21:56 | preglow | LinusN: then what's the point of using tabs? |
| 13:22:09 | LinusN | beats me |
| 13:22:12 | daurn|laptop | i find tabs to be a great solution |
| 13:22:29 | daurn|laptop | just makes code and comments SO much neater |
| 13:22:40 | preglow | LinusN: the only point i can see in using tabs is to be able to choose indentation level yourself, and that requires you to use tabs only for block indentation |
| 13:22:54 | ender` | that's the idea |
| 13:23:09 | preglow | if you don't want to do that, then screw tabs and use only spaces |
| 13:23:19 | LinusN | problem is that many applications still don't let you set the tab size |
| 13:23:21 | jhMikeS | tabs should be hard codec to 4 spaces everywhere in the universe :P |
| 13:23:36 | preglow | LinusN: indeed, application handling would be the problem here |
| 13:23:42 | ender` | LinusN: eh? which ones? |
| 13:23:44 | petur | jhMikeS: codec? |
| 13:23:51 | LinusN | browsers for instance |
| 13:23:53 | preglow | people rely on editors doing the right thing, and when it comes to tabs, they very, very seldom do the right thing |
| 13:23:57 | jhMikeS | hard coded |
| 13:23:59 | daurn|laptop | jhMikeS: 4? |
| 13:24:34 | jhMikeS | 4 = tab...should be a unsiversal physical constant =) |
| 13:24:51 | * | ender` used 2 spaces for a long long time |
| 13:24:57 | ender` | (for a tab) |
| 13:25:17 | daurn|laptop | 2 is too small |
| 13:25:22 | daurn|laptop | 4 is a bit too small |
| 13:25:59 | ender` | i converted to 4 some years ago, anything more makes the code harder to read for me |
| 13:26:00 | jhMikeS | are we talking about tabs? :P |
| 13:26:20 | daurn|laptop | jhMikeS: cause people aren't sure what conventions to use in rockbox source code |
| 13:26:59 | preglow | i've converted from eight to four already, and if i do so again, i want my source to come along with m,e |
| 13:27:02 | jhMikeS | I thought there was a page...I read it...I'm not crazy...it's there |
| 13:27:02 | preglow | hence the tabs |
| 13:27:08 | lostlogic | :%s/^I/ / <−− that's how to indent rockbox code :-D |
| 13:27:57 | lostlogic | preglow: can just use astyle or some such when you change? |
| 13:28:15 | preglow | lostlogic: probably, but i don't need to |
| 13:28:21 | lostlogic | laugh, nod. |
| 13:28:32 | lostlogic | so do you have an editor which indents correctly with tabs and spaces? |
| 13:28:37 | preglow | lostlogic: no :/ |
| 13:28:39 | preglow | i use vim |
| 13:28:55 | LinusN | emacs works fine |
| 13:29:07 | preglow | LinusN: last i checked, it doesn't |
| 13:29:08 | lostlogic | LinusN: by preglow's definition of correct? |
| 13:29:19 | LinusN | by my definition of correct, only spaces |
| 13:29:25 | preglow | well duh... |
| 13:29:34 | LinusN | it is programmable you know |
| 13:30:04 | preglow | out of the box would be best, heh |
| 13:30:05 | preglow | anywho |
| 13:30:09 | preglow | i'm not switching to emacs :> |
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| 13:30:46 | LinusN | just tell the editor top not use tabs, any decent editor should be able to do that |
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| 13:31:24 | ender` | vi/emacs war again? :) |
| 13:31:40 | LinusN | and a decent editor should not change anything but the things that were changed by the user |
| 13:31:58 | preglow | oh, that's for sure |
| 13:32:05 | LinusN | not remove white space and not change 8859-1 to utf-8 |
| 13:32:27 | LinusN | emacs can load a binary file and save it again |
| 13:32:41 | lostlogic | psst: so can vim :-P |
| 13:32:50 | LinusN | then it's decent in that respect |
| 13:32:51 | ender` | war war! |
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| 13:33:03 | preglow | it's decent in all respects! |
| 13:33:16 | LinusN | i have no issues with vim, i even use it myself |
| 13:33:22 | jhMikeS | What am I supposed to do for files where the ws has been untabbed but it would be a big pain to revert it and reinsert my changes...there's that with the recording stuff. |
| 13:33:24 | preglow | i won't give up until we degenerate to name calling |
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| 13:33:50 | preglow | lostlogic: now, about metadata on buffer... |
| 13:33:59 | preglow | lostlogic: how far are you/someone from having that going? |
| 13:34:09 | LinusN | jhMikeS: either don't do anything, or do a diff without white space |
| 13:35:00 | LinusN | cvs diff -b iirc |
| 13:36:07 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...I usually commit right out of the checkout. how will that affect the files that are there where their $Id is updated? |
| 13:36:43 | LinusN | jhMikeS: in this case, i'd say leave it |
| 13:37:27 | LinusN | but you can create a patch with -b and then apply it to a fresh checkout |
| 13:37:31 | jhMikeS | Is there any other way to commit changes besides straight from the checkout? *curious* |
| 13:37:41 | LinusN | jhMikeS: no |
| 13:37:53 | lostlogic | preglow: The patch I wrote several months ago worked, kinda with bugs, but will hafta be rewritten entirely now; so not very close at all |
| 13:38:05 | lostlogic | not sure if lowlight's patch is closer or further |
| 13:38:11 | jhMikeS | didn't think so but could do a patch, remove it from the checkout and reapply it w/o ws changes |
| 13:38:28 | LinusN | yes, like i said |
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| 13:38:57 | jhMikeS | You said "fresh checkout". Just need to unpatch the one it came from :) |
| 13:38:59 | LinusN | i'd do it on a separate chaekout in case i missed some newly created files in the patch |
| 13:39:47 | jhMikeS | I'm pretty sure I didn't or else my patch never would have worked for anyone else |
| 13:40:23 | petur | it didn't work for me :p |
| 13:41:07 | petur | btw, do you mind posting a new patch for testing? |
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| 13:44:00 | jhMikeS | petur: np. It's stale no doubt |
| 13:44:57 | petur | no hurry - can't test until tonight (+6 hours) |
| 13:45:32 | jhMikeS | how many conflicts? |
| 13:46:08 | petur | sorry, don't remember |
| 13:46:14 | jhMikeS | hmmm...just got one in system.c |
| 13:46:24 | JdGordon | amiconn: you around? |
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| 13:48:35 | jhMikeS | because set_cpu_frequency was moved |
| 13:49:01 | JdGordon | guess not... LinusN, are you ok with power.c from firmware being copied to target/sh/arcos/power-archos.c and being used by all 4 of the targets? the ifdef hell in that file is confusing, of course the ifdefs not related to the archos would be removed, but it simplifies it alot |
| 13:49:25 | LinusN | isn't amiconn working on this? |
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| 13:49:47 | JdGordon | he said he is looking at it.. i dont know if he has actually done anything |
| 13:49:59 | JdGordon | thats the last file for the player, and im looking for the easy-route |
| 13:50:09 | LinusN | the whole point of the target tree is to remove the ifdef hell |
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| 13:50:51 | LinusN | i assume that you are talking about firmware/drivers/power.c |
| 13:51:07 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 13:52:27 | LinusN | i suggest you split the file like on the other targets |
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| 13:52:57 | JdGordon | that file is horrible, its easxy to strip the sh part, but splitting that is confusing |
| 13:53:42 | JdGordon | but ok |
| 13:55:40 | jhMikeS | where should a lone coldfire only function go now? |
| 13:55:45 | JdGordon | i seem to be having more luck in that file half-drunk than i was completly sober :p |
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| 13:56:53 | amiconn | LinusN: I'm afraid we won't get rid of all ifdefs in target tree |
| 13:57:03 | LinusN | of course not |
| 13:57:13 | LinusN | but it would probably not be "hell" |
| 13:57:21 | * | amiconn had to reintroduce one ifdef in coldfire/iriver/button-target.h |
| 13:57:36 | amiconn | Two functions which only exist on H300 |
| 13:57:39 | jhMikeS | defininitely less hellish, definitely |
| 13:57:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, i have finished moving the player to TT |
| 13:58:13 | LinusN | there are two purposes of the target tree: 1) remove the ifdef hell and 2) make porting easier |
| 13:58:15 | markun | JdGordon: if you want I can try to split up power.c a bit |
| 13:58:42 | JdGordon | markun: na, dont worry about it... 4 more targets left and it wont be used anymore at all |
| 13:59:15 | jhMikeS | shouldn't there just be a system-coldfire.c now? It would make sense. |
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| 14:00:02 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: system-iriver is pretty generic, so if its the same as the x5.. for sure |
| 14:00:11 | jhMikeS | it is |
| 14:01:00 | jhMikeS | now that there's no set_cpu_frequency, I don't see any #ifdefs within the CPU_COLDFIRE block |
| 14:02:28 | markun | I'm really glad we are moving everything to target tree. Makes it a lot easyer for people starting a new port. |
| 14:02:55 | JdGordon | while im playing in there.. i want to add stub files to the TT.. does anyone object? |
| 14:03:17 | jhMikeS | not me |
| 14:03:55 | markun | JdGordon: what kind of stub files? |
| 14:04:12 | JdGordon | the files that are needed with empty functions |
| 14:04:26 | jhMikeS | I'm also trying to minimize the header files included nowaday to just what a file requires when I edit. It spreads out the burden. |
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| 14:07:36 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: system-coldfire.c would be one level above system-iriver and two about system-x5.c. The set_cpu_frequency isn't the same. |
| 14:08:17 | JdGordon | thats the only function in the file... so leave it i guess... |
| 14:09:40 | jhMikeS | The remaining stuff in system.c is totally shared though |
| 14:09:57 | JdGordon | the #defines? |
| 14:11:12 | jhMikeS | only what's in the header files is used. no conditional compiliation there |
| 14:12:02 | jhMikeS | oh wait...HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is used...what cf target doesn't use HAVE_LCD_BITMAP? |
| 14:12:03 | JdGordon | amiconn: fs 6264 |
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| 14:13:42 | JdGordon | LinusN: is there any plan to move config-<target>.h into the tree also? |
| 14:14:03 | LinusN | no plans no, but i believe it might be beneficial |
| 14:14:58 | jhMikeS | IMHO it's kind of useful to have them together for searching...maybe a configs directory? |
| 14:16:27 | jhMikeS | maybe I'm the only one that has to search all the time cause I forgot stuff :P |
| 14:17:06 | JdGordon | its nice to have them all in one place, but i think its better to keep the config with the target code |
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| 14:17:38 | Vague_Rant | Hey folks. |
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| 14:17:47 | Vague_Rant | I'm currently explaining the benefits of Rockbox to some guy. |
| 14:17:58 | Vague_Rant | Are all Rockbox installations UMS? |
| 14:18:08 | markun | yes |
| 14:18:14 | Vague_Rant | I want to say yes, but just need to make certain. |
| 14:18:15 | Vague_Rant | Great, cheers. |
| 14:18:17 | jhMikeS | It needs no explaination...:) |
| 14:18:32 | Vague_Rant | Well, the guy wants to buy an iPod. |
| 14:18:45 | Vague_Rant | I'll pay that regular people need to explanation, but if you're willing to buy an iPod, then hey. |
| 14:18:50 | Vague_Rant | You need all the help you can get. |
| 14:18:50 | LinusN | let's leave the config files for now |
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| 14:18:59 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:19:01 | jhMikeS | *lol* |
| 14:19:23 | * | jhMikeS is going to encrypt all the config files |
| 14:19:28 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 14:28:30 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: gonna be awhile before moving the rest of the coldfire system stuff? just asking because any recording patch update should come afterwards. |
| 14:28:52 | JdGordon | which rest of it? |
| 14:29:07 | JdGordon | I was only moving stuff which stops compiling |
| 14:29:24 | JdGordon | so if there is more its because its not quite ready for TARGET_TREE > |
| 14:29:29 | jhMikeS | oh |
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| 14:30:31 | jhMikeS | It's ready for system-coldfire.c for sure...guess I can go ahead. It's not much. |
| 14:30:35 | JdGordon | is the end goal to have no/almost no files in firmware/ and firmware/drivers? |
| 14:30:37 | LinusN | the pcm stuff should eventually go to the target tree |
| 14:30:46 | jhMikeS | It's already started :) |
| 14:31:17 | LinusN | the goal is to have only generic/common code in firmware |
| 14:31:41 | LinusN | firmware/drivers will still have some code, like the ATA driver for instance |
| 14:31:59 | LinusN | only the hardware specific code should be in target/ |
| 14:32:06 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:32:20 | jhMikeS | pcm_playback.c should have just that which calls an interface that hold the target specific code. |
| 14:32:28 | jhMikeS | same for pcm_record.c |
| 14:32:29 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yeah |
| 14:32:49 | LinusN | sort of a HAL concept |
| 14:33:48 | jhMikeS | There's still a little bit of spdif stuff remaining though in pcm_record...perhaps there should be an spdif file. |
| 14:33:55 | * | jhMikeS was thinking about HAL in 2001 |
| 14:33:58 | LinusN | not sure |
| 14:34:05 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you think the whole ata_mmc stuff should be moved to target/sh/archos/ondio/ ? |
| 14:34:20 | amiconn | There are no other targets using mmc in spi mode |
| 14:34:43 | LinusN | well, sure |
| 14:35:00 | LinusN | if we one day find another target that needs it, we'll handle it then |
| 14:35:32 | LinusN | whatever feels right |
| 14:36:18 | markun | amiconn: I've read in the forum that SD (used by the Sansa) is a superset of MMC. |
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| 14:38:49 | LinusN | jhMikeS: no h120 yet? |
| 14:40:51 | jhMikeS | It's supposed to come today whenever UPS gets here |
| 14:41:07 | * | preglow does the then-surely-a-commit-is-impending dance |
| 14:41:44 | jhMikeS | It's only 8:39 am |
| 14:41:51 | amiconn | markun: SD is parallel development to MMC. Many commands are similar or equal. But the Sansa most probably uses SD protocol instead of SPI |
| 14:42:01 | amiconn | (and on Ondio we need bitswap as well) |
| 14:42:13 | jhMikeS | what about moving those inline functions in system.c as well to some targeted header? |
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| 14:43:45 | jhMikeS | in system.h even :) |
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| 14:52:32 | jhMikeS | since we usually use (x)-target.h for the bottommost level is system-coldfire.h acceptable for the inline stuff in system.h? |
| 14:54:01 | JdGordon | use system-target.h for all target_tree so it only needs to be included once... |
| 14:55:21 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: with the .c files.. there is no real reason why we cant have system-coldfire.c and system-iriver/x5.c for the bits that are different... sseen as SOURCES looks after that |
| 14:55:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: your player patch doesn't have any path for the new files |
| 14:55:55 | JdGordon | woops. yeah, cvsdo add didnt work for some reason so i added them manually |
| 14:57:03 | LinusN | usb-player.c has cr/lf endings |
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| 14:57:12 | jhMikeS | what if there's more specific targeted system includes at some point? You have to get the correct system-target.h included. It'll have to go at the target/coldfire level |
| 14:57:24 | JdGordon | it shouldnt... i havnt been in windows for nearly a year :p |
| 14:58:50 | JdGordon | ok, im falling asleep at the keyboard... gnite |
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| 14:59:03 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: nighty night |
| 14:59:22 | jhMikeS | guess there's an ata-target.h there so I'll just play along |
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| 15:02:39 | markun | I tried to improve http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox but maybe I made it worse.. |
| 15:03:39 | LinusN | markun: the "general" paragraph needs to be split up |
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| 15:04:16 | LinusN | i think "10" instead of "ten" is better in this context |
| 15:06:08 | markun | I'm not very good at it |
| 15:06:31 | markun | maybe one of the manual guys can have a go |
| 15:07:30 | LinusN | check it out now |
| 15:08:57 | markun | yes, looks better |
| 15:09:14 | markun | the Archos Recorder paragraph is also quite big |
| 15:09:42 | LinusN | we should probably start having "theme weeks" in this project |
| 15:09:50 | LinusN | like "wiki week" |
| 15:09:57 | LinusN | where we brush up the wiki |
| 15:10:06 | LinusN | etc |
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| 15:10:42 | LinusN | that is where the non-programmers can really contribute |
| 15:10:49 | amiconn | LinusN: Typo ("Harware based") |
| 15:11:09 | markun | And maybe have a feature freese so we can concentrate on bugfixing ;) |
| 15:11:30 | LinusN | markun: lol |
| 15:12:10 | LinusN | looks like MayDay was really meant to be in 2007 |
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| 16:19:00 | jhMikeS | MAKE in libffmpegFLAC is giving me a No rule to make target 'system-target.h', needed by... yet that change gave no errors in the build table. There doesn't seems to be a full path for it in the depenency file. |
| 16:20:02 | jhMikeS | The bin built just fine as well as libcodec and libTremor |
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| 18:00:48 | pondlife | Slasheri: Quick question? codec_track_changed() sets track_changed immediately - I think this should be removed. Do you disagree? |
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| 18:11:34 | pondlife | It doesn't seem to slow the WPS display down noticably, now committed. |
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| 18:16:01 | psiborg | I don't quite get the recent bookmarks thing.. |
| 18:16:09 | psiborg | 'delete = on + play', eh whatnow? |
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| 18:16:47 | hcs | would you prefer 'delete = play + think about deletion'? |
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| 18:18:07 | psiborg | I would prefer play = play, select = delete |
| 18:18:16 | psiborg | menu = exit |
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| 18:18:23 | psiborg | i'm using the nano build btw |
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| 18:24:43 | lostlogic | pondlife: Slasheri: I know it doesn't seem to be causing troubl eright now, but I'm still against the playlist operations for next and previous tracks being done on the calling thread insteda of on the audio thread through the queue. |
| 18:25:41 | Slasheri | pondlife: how would you implement it then? |
| 18:26:14 | Slasheri | lostlogic: it's done on the audio thread |
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| 18:26:25 | Slasheri | calling thread does the wps updating only |
| 18:26:44 | Slasheri | and i don't want there to be delays when skipping tracks or that would make ui response horrible |
| 18:26:58 | lostlogic | Slasheri: sorry −− you're right, it's different then it was last time I looked, I think |
| 18:27:03 | lostlogic | now we have a separate wps_offset variable |
| 18:27:05 | lostlogic | awesome |
| 18:27:13 | Slasheri | yes, i fixed that |
| 18:27:33 | lostlogic | sweet. we might start agreeing about things afterall :) |
| 18:27:39 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 18:28:20 | pondlife | Slasheri: I agree |
| 18:28:25 | pondlife | :) |
| 18:28:35 | lostlogic | note to self: double check code before whining |
| 18:29:11 | pondlife | Slasheri: track_changed still gets set, but a little later, when the audio thread processes the message. |
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| 18:30:27 | pondlife | Only thing I'm not sure sbout is whether track_changed should be set before or after the track changed callback |
| 18:30:35 | pondlife | It is now "after". |
| 18:30:48 | pondlife | It probably doesn't matter |
| 18:31:12 | Slasheri | hmm, it shouldn't matter much.. iirc it's only for reloading the wps |
| 18:31:54 | pondlife | It means that the WPS may change track a tiny bit later, but I can't see a change and it's good to have one thread controlling each global variable |
| 18:31:55 | lostlogic | yeah, track_changed is a variable only used by the "is_track_chagned" or whatever function that other threads controlling the playback engine may call to find out if the track has changed recently |
| 18:32:18 | lostlogic | pondlife: actually that variable is always unset on a calling thread, not the audio_thread |
| 18:33:06 | pondlife | Well, better 2 threads fighting than 3 |
| 18:33:15 | pondlife | Unlikely to matter much |
| 18:33:30 | lostlogic | :) |
| 18:34:03 | pondlife | Have either of you tried the panic on queue overflow patch out? |
| 18:34:12 | lostlogic | haven't, link? |
| 18:34:17 | pondlife | Hang on... |
| 18:34:54 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6259 |
| 18:35:20 | pondlife | I can guarentee a panic when you shutdown with a queue length of 16. |
| 18:35:34 | pondlife | (or however you spell that g word) |
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| 18:35:35 | Lear | Now what? I re-run configure, I run make clean, and still get this: *** No rule to make target `system-target.h' |
| 18:35:45 | Lear | When building the flac lib... |
| 18:36:01 | pondlife | Sounds like configure didn't work? |
| 18:36:28 | Lear | Didn't complain... |
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| 18:37:40 | Lear | The dependecy is for a file without path. |
| 18:37:47 | pondlife | Anyway, I'd recommend that patch for team-playback. |
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| 18:42:05 | lostlogic | ipod: no panics |
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| 18:42:25 | pondlife | H340 here |
| 18:42:44 | pondlife | Do a shutdown during playback |
| 18:42:52 | lostlogic | that's what I just did ;) |
| 18:43:10 | pondlife | OK. The ipod key mapping doesn't pause first or anything? |
| 18:43:19 | lostlogic | it probably does |
| 18:43:27 | lostlogic | actually looks like it pauses, stops, shutsdown |
| 18:43:32 | pondlife | H340 goes straight to "Shutting down" I think |
| 18:43:35 | lostlogic | because they are three different press lengths of the same button |
| 18:44:13 | pondlife | But it doesn't know the length until you release, so it shouldn't do anything until that happens (or the longest length is reached) |
| 18:44:23 | pondlife | But I've no idea how that code works. |
| 18:45:06 | lostlogic | pondlife: the hold triggers are based on how long it's been held for, not how long it was held for when it's released |
| 18:45:12 | lostlogic | so shut down is just keep holding until it turns off |
| 18:45:54 | pondlife | Doesn't that make it impossible to trigger a "long" action without first triggering the "short" action? |
| 18:46:31 | lostlogic | short triggers on release only if a hold didn't happen |
| 18:46:39 | lostlogic | so I gues spause maybe doesn't happen on the long hold for shutdown |
| 18:46:57 | hcs | yeah, just goes right to stop |
| 18:47:30 | lostlogic | pondlife: the button handling code doesn't actually do this right (ie the applications hafta do it) the button handler reports 1) press 2) long press 3) release for a long press and 1) press 2) release for a short press −− applications interpret this as needed |
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| 18:47:42 | lostlogic | that's why you see WPS_NEXT_PRE and WPS_NEXT |
| 18:47:45 | lostlogic | defined |
| 18:48:09 | lostlogic | a forward|release event is only a WPS_NEXT if the previous event was forward and not forward|hold |
| 18:48:39 | amiconn | lostlogic: This is handled by the button action code nowadays |
| 18:48:44 | lostlogic | fark |
| 18:48:45 | lostlogic | I hate myself |
| 18:48:49 | amiconn | No _PRE stuff anymore in the core |
| 18:48:49 | lostlogic | :) |
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| 18:49:05 | lostlogic | spend 3 months not reading every commit and they _change stuff_ |
| 18:49:12 | pondlife | amiconn: Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was... but was deferring to lostlogic |
| 18:49:12 | amiconn | But yes, it still works as described internally |
| 18:49:49 | Lear | Ha! Same errors on the build server, but still green! |
| 18:49:59 | amiconn | So on ipod, it will always trigger stop before shutdown |
| 18:50:22 | pondlife | Not on H340 though? |
| 18:50:26 | amiconn | Lear: Scroll back a bit in the log, then you'll know who to blame |
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| 18:51:05 | Lear | It's that mikes-something, not sure about the handle. :) |
| 18:51:08 | lostlogic | hmm −− the _PRE defines are still in the .hs, do they get undefined now? |
| 18:51:10 | lostlogic | or can they? |
| 18:51:15 | Lear | Moved stuff to the target tree. |
| 18:51:36 | pondlife | Lear: Which target |
| 18:51:37 | pondlife | ? |
| 18:51:54 | Lear | Most swcodecs, I'd imagine. Checked h1x0 so far. |
| 18:52:17 | PaulJam | for h300 i get this error too. |
| 18:52:44 | Lear | Ipod nano was okay for some odd reason... |
| 18:52:56 | lostlogic | I believe video is (doing a totally clean build to make sure) |
| 18:53:05 | lostlogic | yeah, it's fine |
| 18:53:26 | lostlogic | pondlife: yeah, not H300 because stop is a short and shutdown is a long, not a long long |
| 18:53:28 | Lear | Okay, so all coldfires then (or those using gcc 3.4.x)... |
| 18:53:41 | pondlife | Gotcha |
| 18:54:51 | Lear | Ah, the flac makefile lacks a TARGET_INC. |
| 18:55:23 | lostlogic | wow, JdGordon is my hero for doign the button action stuff, that was one of my favorite things we discussed at devcon that I didn't think would ever actually happen. |
| 18:56:07 | Lear | Funny it still works for arm targets though... |
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| 18:59:29 | Lear | Bah, same thing in liba52. :/ |
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| 19:22:28 | obo | lostlogic: if you want to shutdown, edit apps/main_menu.c and enable do_shutdown... |
| 19:23:24 | lostlogic | obo: shutdown w/o stopping ya mean? |
| 19:23:34 | obo | lostlogic: yup |
| 19:23:51 | obo | it's ifdef'd for charcells only |
| 19:24:06 | obo | but worked nicely here when I needed to debug scrobbler shutdown on my ipod |
| 19:24:46 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 19:25:06 | lostlogic | cool, I'll keep that in mind |
| 19:25:39 | obo | I think it would be nice on platforms without a dedicated off button :) |
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| 19:26:49 | lostlogic | yah, not a bad idea for ipoops |
| 19:26:56 | obo | amiconn: possibly a stupid question... but is there a reason the Makefiles don't strip the compiled objects? Would that save any binary size? |
| 19:28:35 | Pajama-B | What's the best way to charge the 300, since rockbox can't charge it? |
| 19:28:53 | Lear | obo: I think the objcopy step effectively strips them... |
| 19:29:15 | bluebrother | Pajama-B, why shouldn't rockbox be able charging the h300? It simply doesn't support usb charging (yet) |
| 19:29:31 | obo | ah, okay, thanks Lear |
| 19:29:39 | bluebrother | you can use the OF for usb charging or use some patch that enables usb charging. |
| 19:30:09 | Pajama-B | when the player is turned on when it's on AC, it won't boot into rockbox. and now the battery doesn't seem to be holding a charge. so I thought rockbox might have something to do with it |
| 19:31:37 | bluebrother | that booting into OF straightly when connected to AC is a security function. |
| 19:32:06 | bluebrother | just connect the charger after Rockbox has booted. AC charging is controlled by hardware, so nothing Rockbox does about |
| 19:32:13 | bluebrother | (it simply detects the charger) |
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| 19:33:24 | Pajama-B | okay |
| 19:33:58 | Pajama-B | But it's just died in the middle of things which makes me think somehting with hardware is going on |
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| 19:40:08 | neat | anyone know if the ipod with itunes converts files to asc? |
| 19:40:12 | neat | aac? |
| 19:41:07 | markun | I'm not sure what you are asking |
| 19:41:46 | dpro | neat: the ipod definitely won't convert anything anyway |
| 19:42:38 | neat | with itunes is there a conversion from mp3 to aac, or some other format? |
| 19:43:31 | dpro | neat: I don't have iTunes butwhy would it convert a compressed format to another that makes even less sense than some other of aplle's ideas |
| 19:44:39 | markun | neat: do you want to convert mp3 to aac? |
| 19:45:00 | neat | no, i'm just wondering if its a default for that to happen with the ipod. |
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| 19:55:25 | Pajama-B | It was charged fully, then when copying files using the iriver firmware the player died |
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| 19:57:28 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: What seems to be your problem? |
| 19:57:44 | Pajama-B | seems like battery isn't holding a charge |
| 19:58:23 | Genre9mp3 | how old is your player? |
| 19:58:28 | Pajama-B | new |
| 19:58:36 | Pajama-B | it was remanufactured |
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| 20:01:17 | Pajama-B | don't know if I should send it back or try something else |
| 20:01:53 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: You can also replace the battery if you can assure that it's to blame |
| 20:02:08 | Pajama-B | I'm not smart enough to take it apart |
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| 20:03:15 | Genre9mp3 | have you done a battery benchmark? |
| 20:03:29 | Pajama-B | how's that work? |
| 20:03:38 | Genre9mp3 | you wan't a link? |
| 20:03:56 | Pajama-B | yeah thanks |
| 20:04:05 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
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| 20:10:12 | thick | hello |
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| 20:10:21 | thick | anyone here are using rockboy extension? |
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| 20:13:17 | amiconn | obo: Shutdown in the menu _is_ for targets without a dedicated button... so ifdefing it against charcell isn't fully correct. It should be ifdefed against one or more keypads |
| 20:13:22 | thick | what kind of roms do i need for using rockboy? |
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| 20:13:36 | thick | is there NES roms compatability? |
| 20:13:48 | amiconn | That said, shutdown from menu is cumbersome... and the ipod doesn't have _that_ big lack of buttons |
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| 20:16:15 | * | Pajama-B confused |
| 20:17:03 | hcs | thick: there is no NES compatibility, though there is an NES music player in the works |
| 20:17:16 | linuxstb_ | neat: I've only used itunes a little, but afaik it never transcodes with you asking it to. If you have a file that itunes can play, but itunes thinks your ipod can't play (such as mp2), it just won't sync it. |
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| 20:18:55 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: What is that you don't understand? |
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| 20:20:07 | Pajama-B | any of it. I've never messed with plugins before |
| 20:20:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb: I do believe there was an option to automatically have it convert music, but it's disabled by default. |
| 20:21:10 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: You just need to go to Browse plug-ins and run battery_bench |
| 20:21:25 | Pajama-B | what's this thing about keys? |
| 20:21:28 | linuxstb | Paul_the_Nerd: OK. I just feel like shouting at it and telling it MY ipod can play MP2s... |
| 20:21:43 | Genre9mp3 | then load a playlist bigger than 30MB and leave the player playing |
| 20:22:26 | Pajama-B | k |
| 20:22:27 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: You just get into the plugin and press Play... that's all |
| 20:22:37 | Genre9mp3 | It then starts logging |
| 20:22:50 | Genre9mp3 | You need to ensure that your battery is fully charged |
| 20:23:11 | Genre9mp3 | before doing the test |
| 20:23:16 | Pajama-B | okay |
| 20:24:31 | Genre9mp3 | Of course the longer it gets the better ;) |
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| 20:24:47 | Pajama-B | what about connecting to usb? |
| 20:25:09 | Pajama-B | well it work with that too? |
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| 20:26:03 | obo | amiconn: like http://pastebin.ca/229526 ?? But yes... I don't know if it's enough of a problem to change... |
| 20:26:58 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: What about it? We just want to see how much the battery will last, right? |
| 20:27:38 | Pajama-B | yeah |
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| 20:30:01 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: Just leave it playing there after a full charge and hope that it will last for many hours |
| 20:30:41 | Pajama-B | k. I'll have to wait until my friend gets home to do this |
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| 20:37:28 | Pajama-B | I'll have to show the log to somebody. because I probably won't be able to make sense of it |
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| 21:00:19 | pindonga | hi. I was thinking of writing a plugin for RB that does something like IMMS (a plugin for xmms that learns what music you like by looking at what you listen, more or less). Does anyone know if there is already a project for this somewhere? |
| 21:03:22 | petur | scrobbler? |
| 21:03:57 | Captain_A | you could use the runtime db coinciding with this |
| 21:06:37 | pindonga | petur: you mean audioscrobbler? I was speaking of a project to create a plugin for rb |
| 21:07:01 | pindonga | Captain_A: what do you mean by that? (please be explicit, as I am new to RB) |
| 21:07:19 | petur | pindonga: yes. rb already has native audioscrobbler (last.fm) support |
| 21:07:44 | pindonga | petur: oh.. I will look into that plugin then, thanks |
| 21:07:52 | petur | it's build-in |
| 21:08:08 | petur | look at the playback settings menu |
| 21:10:05 | pindonga | petur: is this available in all rb builds? I am using the iriver port for my h340 |
| 21:10:13 | petur | yups |
| 21:10:26 | petur | at least I think it is |
| 21:10:52 | obo | yup, all builds |
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| 21:13:41 | pindonga | sorry. cannot find it. It should be under General Settings->Playback, right? |
| 21:14:34 | petur | yes, last line |
| 21:15:08 | pindonga | Auto-Change Directory ... :-( |
| 21:15:17 | petur | get a more recent build |
| 21:15:32 | pindonga | maybe in a newver release? I have 06/09/2006, i think |
| 21:15:44 | petur | yes, too old ;) |
| 21:16:08 | pindonga | ok, thank you |
| 21:16:47 | Slasheri | pindonga: you should check the tagcache also |
| 21:16:59 | Slasheri | it already allows creation of smart playlists |
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| 21:36:15 | pindonga | petur, Slasheri: thank you both, I will look into both features to see if the are what I want |
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| 22:01:35 | Tempis | how can you tell if you have an Archos Recorder v1 or 8MB? |
| 22:02:02 | Bagder | 8MB requires a hw mod |
| 22:02:19 | Tempis | ah, so I probably have a v1 |
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| 22:09:44 | Tempis | the link to download the rom flash stuff seems to be dead |
| 22:09:59 | Tempis | http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/flash_rec.zip is not found |
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| 22:12:56 | bluebrother | Tempis, those files are outdated. Use Bootbox instead |
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| 22:19:46 | Tempis | hmm, following the flash guide, when I select firmware_flash it says Incompatible Model |
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| 22:24:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Have you rolo'd into the new version? |
| 22:24:44 | Tempis | probably not |
| 22:24:57 | Tempis | I'm trying to follow the guide |
| 22:25:09 | Tempis | didn't see anything about rolo |
| 22:25:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Simply put, the plugins you've downloaded run on the newer version of Rockbox |
| 22:25:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | So to be able to load them, you must first reboot into it. |
| 22:25:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Either by ROLOing or by holding the appropriate button while booting (not sure which) |
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| 22:29:28 | Tempis | the button should be F1 |
| 22:30:37 | Tempis | no matter which way I do it, I get Incompatable Model |
| 22:30:48 | Tempis | so I'm obviously doing something wrong |
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| 22:35:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | The whole build on disk is a new one, right? |
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| 22:54:08 | bluebrother | silent today ... |
| 22:54:42 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:55:05 | * | Genre9mp3 makes some noise |
| 22:55:44 | bluebrother | I did some work to the ReportingBugs page. |
| 22:56:13 | bluebrother | how about removing the direct tracker links from the menu and instead linking only to the FlySprayHowto page? |
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| 23:32:17 | Tempis | Paul_the_Nerd, you around? |
| 23:34:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes |
| 23:34:33 | Tempis | I'm pretty sure the build I have on there is new |
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| 23:38:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: What I meant is that both the .rock file, and the rockbox binary have to be the same version |
| 23:39:13 | Tempis | ahh, how do I tell what version they are? |
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| 23:40:39 | scorche | Tempis: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:40:47 | Tempis | flash my Archos |
| 23:41:23 | scorche | and where did you get the files for that? |
| 23:41:38 | Tempis | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox |
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| 23:45:29 | Tempis | is that not the right place? |
| 23:46:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Those files aren't the ones you're having problems with though. |
| 23:46:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually, wait. |
| 23:46:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | What player do you have? |
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| 23:46:49 | Tempis | Archos Recorder 10 |
| 23:47:04 | Davide-NYC | Hello everyone. |
| 23:48:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tempis: And you downloaded the bootbox_rec file? |
| 23:48:36 | Tempis | yeah |
| 23:49:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | And you've downloaded and extracted the newest build of Rockbox, and then ROLO'd into it? |
| 23:49:16 | Tempis | I put today's build on there |
| 23:49:53 | Tempis | I'm a bit fuzzy on what ROLO means |
| 23:50:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Click on the rockbox.file |
| 23:50:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | ajbrec.ajz I think? |
| 23:50:11 | Tempis | yeah |
| 23:50:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Do other plugins run? |
| 23:50:22 | scorche | Tempis: have you already flashed the .bin files to your player? |
| 23:50:23 | Tempis | you hold F1 while it's starting up right? |
| 23:50:32 | Tempis | scorche, no |
| 23:50:35 | Tempis | I'm trying to do that |
| 23:50:56 | Tempis | I've tried a couple of plugins and they seem to work |
| 23:50:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | I said to click the file... |
| 23:51:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Have you done the check to verify that your unit is flashable? |
| 23:51:25 | Tempis | yes |
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| 23:52:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Dunno then. |
| 23:53:32 | Tempis | it says Flash: M=BF D=D6 |
| 23:54:47 | Tempis | ok, now none of the plugins work |
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| 23:55:28 | scorche | alright...(just checking since i didnt hear the prievious one and dont want to read the logs) |
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| 23:55:39 | scorche | did you go to firmware_flash.rock? |
| 23:55:48 | Tempis | yes |
| 23:55:56 | Tempis | it says Incompatible Model |
| 23:55:58 | scorche | or is that what is giving you the warning? |
| 23:56:05 | scorche | ah... |
| 23:56:39 | scorche | is that all it says? |
| 23:56:46 | Tempis | yes |
| 23:56:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Since the plugins aren't working, you're *not* in the actual new version of Rockbox. |
| 23:57:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Did you ROLO like I told you to? |
| 23:57:07 | Tempis | I thought I did |
| 23:57:13 | scorche | grrr...just a sec...VMware is being stubborn |
| 23:57:14 | Tempis | it says ROLO on the screen |
| 23:57:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just click on the file in the Rockbox file browser. |
| 23:57:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | The ajbrec.ajz or whatever. |
| 23:57:35 | Tempis | done |
| 23:57:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Now try running a plugin |
| 23:57:59 | Tempis | same thing |
| 23:57:59 | jhMikeS | H120's here. looks like a new unit |
| 23:58:21 | Davide-NYC | \o/ |
| 23:58:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | What date does it say in the about screen? |
| 23:58:34 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: that doesnt really matter that is for when you flash rockbox...we are trying to flash the initial firmware (.bin) |
| 23:58:35 | jhMikeS | I think it turned out to be a pretty good deal :) |
| 23:58:42 | Davide-NYC | \o/ |
| 23:58:44 | jhMikeS | Everything pack like factory |
| 23:58:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: But the plugin file has to be of a compatible plugin version. |
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